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{ "chapters": [ { "start_time": "0:00", "title": "Dr. Raghuram Rajan x Ranveer Allahbadia begins" }, { "start_time": "3:20", "title": "The art of teaching" }, { "start_time": "6:10", "title": "Demand and supply concept" }, { "start_time": "8:50", "title": "His profession & art of economics" }, { "start_time": "12:51", "title": "How is a policy formed" }, { "start_time": "16:55", "title": "Work of RBI governor" }, { "start_time": "18:14", "title": "Role of Finance Ministery" }, { "start_time": "21:18", "title": "Chief Economic Advisor" }, { "start_time": "24:38", "title": "How does elected government affect RBI working" }, { "start_time": "30:04", "title": "His biggest achievement" }, { "start_time": "32:55", "title": "Can the government afford giving freebies?" }, { "start_time": "40:49", "title": "Truth about corruption" }, { "start_time": "44:11", "title": "Modi government criticism" }, { "start_time": "52:58", "title": "Economic policies" }, { "start_time": "56:20", "title": "Why he left the Modi government?" }, { "start_time": "1:01:32", "title": "Conspiracy theory against him" }, { "start_time": "1:11:21", "title": "His opinion on demonetization" }, { "start_time": "1:14:28", "title": "Creating better education institutions" }, { "start_time": "1:16:42", "title": "Employment problem" }, { "start_time": "1:21:30", "title": "Education problems" }, { "start_time": "1:26:20", "title": "Role of entrepreneurs in economic growth" }, { "start_time": "1:31:32", "title": "Thank you for watching" }, { "start_time": "1:32:04", "title": "End of the podcast" } ] }

{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:07", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "The narrative in the public eye is that you left working with the Modi government because your opinions weren't heard." }, { "end_time": "0:10", "start_time": "0:07", "text": "Point is not that this is silly government." }, { "end_time": "0:13", "start_time": "0:10", "text": "The point is that within the government, you have checks and balances." }, { "end_time": "0:17", "start_time": "0:14", "text": "In the congress government, what was your biggest achievement?" }, { "end_time": "0:18", "start_time": "0:17", "text": "We brought down inflation." }, { "end_time": "0:20", "start_time": "0:18", "text": "Inflation was at near double digits." }, { "end_time": "0:25", "start_time": "0:20", "text": "We started UPI, money transfers that you make all the time through Paytm, HomePay." }, { "end_time": "0:26", "start_time": "0:25", "text": "That was started in my time." }, { "end_time": "0:29", "start_time": "0:26", "text": "Every government carries on the work of previous governments." }, { "end_time": "0:34", "start_time": "0:29", "text": "All the credit belongs to the government past 2014, and none belongs before, I think, is not right." }, { "end_time": "0:39", "start_time": "0:34", "text": "Having an overly powerful premise, India cannot be governed from a very, very narrow center." }, { "end_time": "0:41", "start_time": "0:40", "text": "Do you think you were a disliked guy?" }, { "end_time": "0:49", "start_time": "0:41", "text": "In every profession, you have to know when people are pulling wool over your eyes, when they're trying to, convince you of something and you know it's not true." }, { "end_time": "0:57", "start_time": "0:51", "text": "This is an epic two part conversation with the former RBI governor, doctor Raghuram Rajan." }, { "end_time": "1:00", "start_time": "0:57", "text": "It's an explosive yet educative conversation." }, { "end_time": "1:03", "start_time": "1:01", "text": "We had to split it up into 2 parts." }, { "end_time": "1:18", "start_time": "1:03", "text": "Part 1 is primarily about the basics of economics, how he looks at the subject and what he learned from his stint as the RBI Governor working with both the Manmohan Singh Government as well as the Narendra Modi Government." }, { "end_time": "1:21", "start_time": "1:18", "text": "There's a lot of insight in part 1." }, { "end_time": "1:23", "start_time": "1:21", "text": "Part 2 gets a little more political." }, { "end_time": "1:26", "start_time": "1:24", "text": "Part 1 is more on the educative side." }, { "end_time": "1:34", "start_time": "1:26", "text": "But all in all, I feel both these parts encapsulated the ideas present inside this book that Doctor." }, { "end_time": "1:35", "start_time": "1:34", "text": "Raghu written." }, { "end_time": "1:37", "start_time": "1:35", "text": "It's called breaking the mould." }, { "end_time": "1:43", "start_time": "1:39", "text": "You'll understand what the statement means by the end of the two parts." }, { "end_time": "1:51", "start_time": "1:43", "text": "I sincerely hope you gain value from this conversation because for me, it was an honor speaking to this man." }, { "end_time": "1:54", "start_time": "1:51", "text": "You'll know why when you slip straight into it." }, { "end_time": "1:56", "start_time": "1:54", "text": "Enjoy today's TRS conversation." }, { "end_time": "2:17", "start_time": "2:16", "text": "Doctor." }, { "end_time": "2:21", "start_time": "2:17", "text": "Raghuram Rajan, thank you for being in our house, being in our studio." }, { "end_time": "2:22", "start_time": "2:21", "text": "Thank you for being on the show." }, { "end_time": "2:24", "start_time": "2:22", "text": "Thanks for having me here." }, { "end_time": "2:28", "start_time": "2:24", "text": "This is a huge honor because ever since I was in college, I've been hearing your name." }, { "end_time": "2:31", "start_time": "2:30", "text": "In the best possible conversations." }, { "end_time": "2:37", "start_time": "2:32", "text": "Whenever the conversation gets super intellectual and if it's about economic policy your name starts up." }, { "end_time": "2:39", "start_time": "2:37", "text": "So it says a lot about your body of work." }, { "end_time": "2:39", "start_time": "2:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:43", "start_time": "2:39", "text": "Well at least at this point I'm trying to talk to a broader public." }, { "end_time": "2:47", "start_time": "2:43", "text": "So reduce the intellectual, broaden the reach." }, { "end_time": "2:58", "start_time": "2:47", "text": "I was about to say that with conversations like this, I'm always a little confused whether I should make it intellectual and deep or kind of make it massy and, you know, for the public, for kids as well." }, { "end_time": "3:00", "start_time": "2:59", "text": "It can be for both." }, { "end_time": "3:00", "start_time": "3:00", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "3:12", "start_time": "3:00", "text": "I mean, sometimes the most complex, arguments can be simplified because, you know, ultimately, many, sort of deep arguments have a very simple message." }, { "end_time": "3:16", "start_time": "3:12", "text": "And if you can distill that, I mean, I've seen some great teachers." }, { "end_time": "3:18", "start_time": "3:16", "text": "They can do it fantastically well." }, { "end_time": "3:20", "start_time": "3:18", "text": "And that that's that's not." }, { "end_time": "3:21", "start_time": "3:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:29", "start_time": "3:21", "text": "The one thing I figured is that if one truly understands the subject matter, then they're able to explain it to 4 year olds really well using metaphors." }, { "end_time": "3:30", "start_time": "3:29", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "3:34", "start_time": "3:31", "text": "The metaphors require some thinking but, but yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:38", "start_time": "3:34", "text": "I mean that's really the art because you have to understand it." }, { "end_time": "3:50", "start_time": "3:38", "text": "You know, as a colleague of mine who's a very famous academic says, look, I I I teach because to teach, I have to understand it thoroughly." }, { "end_time": "3:52", "start_time": "3:50", "text": "And then I have to explain." }, { "end_time": "3:57", "start_time": "3:53", "text": "There there are lots of bad teachers who just read off from their notes." }, { "end_time": "4:07", "start_time": "3:57", "text": "But to really understand it and to teach people, I think that's that's really, you know, deep, deep, deep exercise." }, { "end_time": "4:09", "start_time": "4:07", "text": "And it requires a lot of intellectual thinking." }, { "end_time": "4:16", "start_time": "4:10", "text": "It requires a lot of time alone going over the concepts you've learned, trying to figure out how you'll relay it to your students or the audiences." }, { "end_time": "4:17", "start_time": "4:16", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "4:18", "start_time": "4:17", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "4:21", "start_time": "4:18", "text": "And and the best teachers spend a lot of time doing that." }, { "end_time": "4:27", "start_time": "4:21", "text": "You know, how does it I mean, I you know, we talked a little bit about how your show works, but the best teachers do that." }, { "end_time": "4:29", "start_time": "4:27", "text": "Go over how they taught the lecture." }, { "end_time": "4:30", "start_time": "4:29", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "4:31", "start_time": "4:30", "text": "What worked?" }, { "end_time": "4:32", "start_time": "4:31", "text": "What didn't work?" }, { "end_time": "4:36", "start_time": "4:32", "text": "And that's why when I teach cases, it's not the first time I teach it that works best." }, { "end_time": "4:37", "start_time": "4:36", "text": "It's the 7th time." }, { "end_time": "4:43", "start_time": "4:38", "text": "Because then I understand aspects of the case that, you know, come from my audience, that is my my students." }, { "end_time": "4:49", "start_time": "4:44", "text": "But also I understand that, okay, this didn't fly so well because I didn't explain it." }, { "end_time": "4:50", "start_time": "4:49", "text": "I have to do it better." }, { "end_time": "4:51", "start_time": "4:50", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "4:54", "start_time": "4:52", "text": "I need you to explain some things to us today." }, { "end_time": "4:54", "start_time": "4:54", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "4:55", "start_time": "4:54", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "5:02", "start_time": "4:57", "text": "I want to be fully straight forward with you and just tell you how I am approaching this conversation." }, { "end_time": "5:10", "start_time": "5:03", "text": "We've had 2 people speak about economic policy on the show KV Subramanian sir and Sanjeev Sanyal sir." }, { "end_time": "5:14", "start_time": "5:10", "text": "I've learned everything about economics through those conversations I have had with them." }, { "end_time": "5:15", "start_time": "5:14", "text": "So I have certain notions." }, { "end_time": "5:20", "start_time": "5:16", "text": "I encourage you to destroy those notions if you feel I am thinking in a wrong way." }, { "end_time": "5:23", "start_time": "5:20", "text": "And kind of help me further the understanding." }, { "end_time": "5:28", "start_time": "5:23", "text": "The one thing that's encouraged in this show is, disagreements." }, { "end_time": "5:28", "start_time": "5:28", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "5:28", "start_time": "5:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:30", "start_time": "5:28", "text": "I feel it leads to like much better conversation." }, { "end_time": "5:31", "start_time": "5:30", "text": "Good." }, { "end_time": "5:35", "start_time": "5:31", "text": "So pardon me if I disagree with you, and I want you to disagree with me." }, { "end_time": "5:35", "start_time": "5:35", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "5:36", "start_time": "5:35", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "5:39", "start_time": "5:36", "text": "So let's start with a statement I heard." }, { "end_time": "5:44", "start_time": "5:39", "text": "Economy and economic growth can be boiled down to you producing more things." }, { "end_time": "5:44", "start_time": "5:44", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "5:45", "start_time": "5:44", "text": "That's it." }, { "end_time": "5:47", "start_time": "5:46", "text": "Well, it's 2 parts." }, { "end_time": "5:48", "start_time": "5:48", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "5:54", "start_time": "5:49", "text": "Producing more things is one half of it, which is what we call supply." }, { "end_time": "5:58", "start_time": "5:55", "text": "The other half of it is somebody has to want those things." }, { "end_time": "6:00", "start_time": "5:58", "text": "There has to be demand for it." }, { "end_time": "6:03", "start_time": "6:00", "text": "When both come together, you get growth." }, { "end_time": "6:13", "start_time": "6:03", "text": "So sometimes when there's overproduction but nobody wants it, then, what happens is you have industries producing too much, they cut back." }, { "end_time": "6:18", "start_time": "6:13", "text": "That's what is called a recession because they stop producing because nobody's buying this stuff." }, { "end_time": "6:19", "start_time": "6:18", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "6:23", "start_time": "6:19", "text": "And sometimes you have a lot of demand and not enough production." }, { "end_time": "6:27", "start_time": "6:24", "text": "That's when you get inflation because prices are rising." }, { "end_time": "6:28", "start_time": "6:27", "text": "There's a lot of demand." }, { "end_time": "6:31", "start_time": "6:28", "text": "People want more of of it, but not enough is being supplied." }, { "end_time": "6:33", "start_time": "6:31", "text": "I mean, take for example airlines." }, { "end_time": "6:38", "start_time": "6:34", "text": "If it's a hot tourist season, everybody wants a ticket." }, { "end_time": "6:42", "start_time": "6:38", "text": "So the airlines are all flying full and they know they can raise their prices." }, { "end_time": "6:45", "start_time": "6:42", "text": "That's a situation where demand is exceeding supply." }, { "end_time": "6:48", "start_time": "6:45", "text": "You can't build new planes in a hurry." }, { "end_time": "6:49", "start_time": "6:48", "text": "You can't bring them on board." }, { "end_time": "6:50", "start_time": "6:49", "text": "You have only so many flights." }, { "end_time": "6:53", "start_time": "6:50", "text": "And therefore that's that's inflation." }, { "end_time": "6:54", "start_time": "6:53", "text": "Gotcha." }, { "end_time": "6:55", "start_time": "6:54", "text": "Do you mind if I have this coffee?" }, { "end_time": "6:56", "start_time": "6:55", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "6:56", "start_time": "6:56", "text": "I'll join you." }, { "end_time": "6:57", "start_time": "6:56", "text": "Encourage you." }, { "end_time": "6:58", "start_time": "6:57", "text": "Cheers, sir." }, { "end_time": "6:59", "start_time": "6:58", "text": "Cheers to meeting you." }, { "end_time": "7:02", "start_time": "6:59", "text": "This is such a big life achievement for me, honestly." }, { "end_time": "7:04", "start_time": "7:02", "text": "You know, this is very interesting." }, { "end_time": "7:05", "start_time": "7:04", "text": "Orange juice and coffee." }, { "end_time": "7:09", "start_time": "7:06", "text": "It's my friend Riaz Amlani's, brainchild." }, { "end_time": "7:10", "start_time": "7:09", "text": "It's called Dope Coffee." }, { "end_time": "7:11", "start_time": "7:10", "text": "I'm just not branded at all." }, { "end_time": "7:12", "start_time": "7:11", "text": "He's just a friend." }, { "end_time": "7:16", "start_time": "7:13", "text": "But coffee culture in Mumbai is growing a lot." }, { "end_time": "7:22", "start_time": "7:16", "text": "This is a lot better though than some of those energy drinks which have 5 or 10 times the caffeine in them." }, { "end_time": "7:22", "start_time": "7:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:29", "start_time": "7:22", "text": "Those I think are positively dangerous because you may stay alive, awake for a really long time doing damage to your health." }, { "end_time": "7:31", "start_time": "7:29", "text": "May I ask you what's up in life right now?" }, { "end_time": "7:32", "start_time": "7:31", "text": "What's up in life?" }, { "end_time": "7:39", "start_time": "7:32", "text": "Well, on the one hand, I have a new book which, I'm trying to promote the message." }, { "end_time": "7:44", "start_time": "7:39", "text": "It's, sort of trying to say there's a different path for India in terms of growth." }, { "end_time": "7:47", "start_time": "7:45", "text": "Other than that, it's, you know, teaching." }, { "end_time": "8:00", "start_time": "7:47", "text": "I have to teach a PhD course, in the next, next quarter, which I have to, you know, along what we said, I have to first decide what I want to teach and then do the reading, learn it myself." }, { "end_time": "8:02", "start_time": "8:00", "text": "So there's a lot of work to be done." }, { "end_time": "8:06", "start_time": "8:02", "text": "And then, of course, we have an election coming up in this country." }, { "end_time": "8:14", "start_time": "8:06", "text": "And, you know, I'm gonna try and speak so that people sort of get a sense of what the big issues might be as we go into the election." }, { "end_time": "8:16", "start_time": "8:14", "text": "You'd be comfortable speaking about it today?" }, { "end_time": "8:19", "start_time": "8:16", "text": "I'd be happy to speak about it here." }, { "end_time": "8:19", "start_time": "8:19", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "8:22", "start_time": "8:20", "text": "Do you wanna speak about it right now, sir?" }, { "end_time": "8:23", "start_time": "8:22", "text": "We didn't talk anytime." }, { "end_time": "8:24", "start_time": "8:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:24", "start_time": "8:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:28", "start_time": "8:24", "text": "Why don't we actually get to it a little bit later because I'm sure it'll enter certain political domains?" }, { "end_time": "8:30", "start_time": "8:28", "text": "And first, let's address economics." }, { "end_time": "8:31", "start_time": "8:30", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "8:33", "start_time": "8:31", "text": "So people understand who they're listening to." }, { "end_time": "8:34", "start_time": "8:33", "text": "You spoke about the basics." }, { "end_time": "8:35", "start_time": "8:34", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "8:37", "start_time": "8:35", "text": "What I also wish to know about is the art of economics." }, { "end_time": "8:41", "start_time": "8:37", "text": "Which I know is a thing now because of the conversations I've had with us." }, { "end_time": "8:42", "start_time": "8:41", "text": "So there are basics you learn." }, { "end_time": "8:43", "start_time": "8:42", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "8:45", "start_time": "8:43", "text": "And then eventually, and I believe this is the case with any profession." }, { "end_time": "8:46", "start_time": "8:45", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "8:48", "start_time": "8:46", "text": "If you do it long enough, it does become a bit of an art form." }, { "end_time": "8:48", "start_time": "8:48", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "8:54", "start_time": "8:48", "text": "And then your personality and your own, for lack of a better word, biases come into play." }, { "end_time": "8:55", "start_time": "8:54", "text": "Human biases come into play." }, { "end_time": "9:00", "start_time": "8:55", "text": "Your own thought processes make their way to your work." }, { "end_time": "9:07", "start_time": "9:00", "text": "Now in your world as the RBI governor, so I first want you to break down this art form theory that I have." }, { "end_time": "9:15", "start_time": "9:07", "text": "The second sub question is as the RBI governor, how different was your work from the chief economic advisor?" }, { "end_time": "9:15", "start_time": "9:15", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "9:17", "start_time": "9:15", "text": "And or the finance ministry?" }, { "end_time": "9:17", "start_time": "9:17", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "9:22", "start_time": "9:18", "text": "And how do now like this is basically 3, 4 different profiles." }, { "end_time": "9:22", "start_time": "9:22", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "9:26", "start_time": "9:22", "text": "Everyone brings the art of economics into play, and then you'll come up with economic policy." }, { "end_time": "9:26", "start_time": "9:26", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "9:28", "start_time": "9:26", "text": "So how does this whole thing work?" }, { "end_time": "9:29", "start_time": "9:28", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "9:36", "start_time": "9:29", "text": "So I mean, when you say art, implied in that is also there might be a science of economics." }, { "end_time": "9:43", "start_time": "9:37", "text": "And and there is a a science which is the theory, the evidence that is built up." }, { "end_time": "9:47", "start_time": "9:44", "text": "Sometimes, administrators don't know that science." }, { "end_time": "9:49", "start_time": "9:47", "text": "They haven't been studying economics, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "9:56", "start_time": "9:49", "text": "They basically come with an administrative skill set, And then they learn on the job, you know, what what has to be done." }, { "end_time": "10:02", "start_time": "9:56", "text": "Now fortunately, I had a long, sort of tenure in economics as a professor." }, { "end_time": "10:05", "start_time": "10:02", "text": "I was chief economist of the International Monetary Fund." }, { "end_time": "10:12", "start_time": "10:06", "text": "And then, I eventually came to India, was chief economic advisor in the finance ministry and then RBI governor." }, { "end_time": "10:28", "start_time": "10:13", "text": "Now, so I had a body of knowledge, which is useful because you know, in every profession, you have to know when people are pulling wool over your eyes, when they're trying to, convince you of something and you know it's not true." }, { "end_time": "10:36", "start_time": "10:28", "text": "And for me, it was always sort of debating with the bankers who'd come with some new proposal or or the other to help them." }, { "end_time": "10:40", "start_time": "10:37", "text": "And you have to know when it makes sense and when it doesn't make sense." }, { "end_time": "10:44", "start_time": "10:40", "text": "So it's more like it teaches you the defense rather than the offense." }, { "end_time": "10:47", "start_time": "10:44", "text": "It teaches you the offense also in the following sense." }, { "end_time": "11:00", "start_time": "10:47", "text": "When you say offense, I mean, one of the things I did before I became, anything connected to the government was I was asked by doctor Manmohan Singh to write a report on the state of the financial system in India." }, { "end_time": "11:03", "start_time": "11:01", "text": "And we wrote the report called 100 Small Steps." }, { "end_time": "11:06", "start_time": "11:03", "text": "A lot of prominent bankers participated, Mr." }, { "end_time": "11:08", "start_time": "11:06", "text": "Rudet Kotak, for example." }, { "end_time": "11:14", "start_time": "11:08", "text": "And and that, report was a blueprint of how we reform, the system." }, { "end_time": "11:18", "start_time": "11:15", "text": "And, of course, what happens with many reports is it sits on a shelf." }, { "end_time": "11:19", "start_time": "11:18", "text": "Nobody acts on it." }, { "end_time": "11:25", "start_time": "11:20", "text": "Fortunately, when I came in as governor, the report was ready for for me to start acting in." }, { "end_time": "11:34", "start_time": "11:25", "text": "So we pulled it out and said We we went through the whole list of what we could do, and we did a fair amount in that period." }, { "end_time": "11:40", "start_time": "11:34", "text": "So that was the the sort of under core signs, playing offense." }, { "end_time": "11:48", "start_time": "11:41", "text": "Defense is, you know, when somebody comes to you and says, this can't be done, that can't be done." }, { "end_time": "11:50", "start_time": "11:48", "text": "And then you ask why, and then they explain." }, { "end_time": "11:56", "start_time": "11:50", "text": "And now you because you have a background, you start seeing what makes sense, what doesn't." }, { "end_time": "11:57", "start_time": "11:56", "text": "There's a lot of practicality." }, { "end_time": "11:59", "start_time": "11:57", "text": "That's the art that you're talking about." }, { "end_time": "12:04", "start_time": "12:00", "text": "That is there which people who have 20, 30 years experience in the area know." }, { "end_time": "12:08", "start_time": "12:05", "text": "And if you ignore that, that also is problematic." }, { "end_time": "12:09", "start_time": "12:08", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "12:11", "start_time": "12:09", "text": "Just just to be clear for better understanding." }, { "end_time": "12:12", "start_time": "12:11", "text": "I'm sorry I'm interrupting you." }, { "end_time": "12:16", "start_time": "12:12", "text": "But when you say that you see a report and then things are actually done." }, { "end_time": "12:20", "start_time": "12:16", "text": "This means they make their way to economic policies like whatever you thought about in the report." }, { "end_time": "12:20", "start_time": "12:20", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "12:30", "start_time": "12:20", "text": "And when you're talking about practicality, I think what you're trying to say is when the economic policies actually become a law, it affects the nation in a certain way." }, { "end_time": "12:38", "start_time": "12:30", "text": "So let me give you an example of of a thought which becomes a policy which then needs to be developed." }, { "end_time": "12:46", "start_time": "12:38", "text": "So, for example, one of the earlier sort of constraints was we didn't license banks." }, { "end_time": "12:50", "start_time": "12:48", "text": "It was done rarely." }, { "end_time": "12:58", "start_time": "12:52", "text": "So one of the big issues is, you know, if you do license more banks, you get more bank competition." }, { "end_time": "13:04", "start_time": "12:59", "text": "Of course, you have to supervise them carefully to make sure they don't make mistakes, But you get more competition." }, { "end_time": "13:08", "start_time": "13:04", "text": "There's more, banks opening up, you know, branches." }, { "end_time": "13:10", "start_time": "13:08", "text": "There's more employment and so on." }, { "end_time": "13:15", "start_time": "13:10", "text": "So one of the things we did was we essentially put the banks on open license." }, { "end_time": "13:19", "start_time": "13:16", "text": "Now once you do that, you also have to license them." }, { "end_time": "13:20", "start_time": "13:19", "text": "So that's the concept." }, { "end_time": "13:21", "start_time": "13:20", "text": "That's the concept." }, { "end_time": "13:24", "start_time": "13:21", "text": "But then the practicality is how do you actually license them?" }, { "end_time": "13:29", "start_time": "13:25", "text": "Now problem is, of course, every industrialist wants a license." }, { "end_time": "13:39", "start_time": "13:30", "text": "And, sometimes to fund their own enterprises, you have to be very careful about that because you don't want that kind of lending because often that turns bad." }, { "end_time": "13:45", "start_time": "13:39", "text": "So you wanna keep out the who need loans for their business enterprises from running banks." }, { "end_time": "13:46", "start_time": "13:45", "text": "You want bankers to be different." }, { "end_time": "13:48", "start_time": "13:46", "text": "They can be financials." }, { "end_time": "13:52", "start_time": "13:48", "text": "They can be big business houses, but they shouldn't have a financial, industrial interest." }, { "end_time": "13:54", "start_time": "13:53", "text": "So that's part of the law." }, { "end_time": "13:55", "start_time": "13:54", "text": "How do you make that?" }, { "end_time": "14:00", "start_time": "13:55", "text": "So we pushed regulation which said we won't have industrial houses owning banks." }, { "end_time": "14:02", "start_time": "14:00", "text": "Then the question was what kind of banks?" }, { "end_time": "14:09", "start_time": "14:03", "text": "So, normal bank that you see, you know, SBI, ICICI, that was 1." }, { "end_time": "14:11", "start_time": "14:09", "text": "But then we created 2 other kinds of banks." }, { "end_time": "14:15", "start_time": "14:11", "text": "One was the small finance bank for these microfinance institutions." }, { "end_time": "14:18", "start_time": "14:16", "text": "They were lending to many small people." }, { "end_time": "14:19", "start_time": "14:18", "text": "How do we expand that?" }, { "end_time": "14:23", "start_time": "14:19", "text": "Because we want more people to get get financing." }, { "end_time": "14:25", "start_time": "14:23", "text": "So we created something called a small finance bank." }, { "end_time": "14:28", "start_time": "14:26", "text": "And that was another, license." }, { "end_time": "14:30", "start_time": "14:28", "text": "And then the third was payment bank." }, { "end_time": "14:41", "start_time": "14:30", "text": "The lots of telecoms, this, that, which Paytm, or, you know, Jio, who can actually reach everybody." }, { "end_time": "14:47", "start_time": "14:43", "text": "And and that would be a a gain for people in terms of making payments." }, { "end_time": "14:52", "start_time": "14:48", "text": "So we created another license which we call we call the payment bank license." }, { "end_time": "14:57", "start_time": "14:52", "text": "Now we knew that some of the licenses would not be successful." }, { "end_time": "15:03", "start_time": "14:58", "text": "Some of these forms of licenses over time we'll see how successful they are and we may have to reform them." }, { "end_time": "15:07", "start_time": "15:03", "text": "Is there things that only pan out when they are in the real world?" }, { "end_time": "15:09", "start_time": "15:07", "text": "That's what you need to be always alert for." }, { "end_time": "15:10", "start_time": "15:09", "text": "Does it work?" }, { "end_time": "15:13", "start_time": "15:11", "text": "And ultimately you can theorize how much ever you want." }, { "end_time": "15:18", "start_time": "15:14", "text": "The proof of the pudding is seeing it on the ground and seeing whether it works." }, { "end_time": "15:20", "start_time": "15:18", "text": "Because you can never predict human behavior." }, { "end_time": "15:24", "start_time": "15:20", "text": "You can never predict human behavior and economics is all about human behavior." }, { "end_time": "15:24", "start_time": "15:24", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "15:27", "start_time": "15:24", "text": "You propose, but the public disposes." }, { "end_time": "15:34", "start_time": "15:28", "text": "And so what you have to see is we have licensed so many banks." }, { "end_time": "15:37", "start_time": "15:34", "text": "That licensing procedure had to be totally transparent." }, { "end_time": "15:44", "start_time": "15:38", "text": "Because otherwise people will accuse you that so and so, you know, bought their license by paying appropriate bribes." }, { "end_time": "15:50", "start_time": "15:45", "text": "So we got the most, respectable people on the licensing committee from outside." }, { "end_time": "15:56", "start_time": "15:50", "text": "We had 3 stages, 1 internal, 1 and finally up to the committee, and then finally up to the RBI board." }, { "end_time": "16:03", "start_time": "15:56", "text": "So nobody has ever raised a question about that licensing process because it was totally clean." }, { "end_time": "16:13", "start_time": "16:03", "text": "Now, you know, in the middle of that, I read an article in The Economist saying, oh, rumor has it that licenses are going for $75,000,000 a piece." }, { "end_time": "16:14", "start_time": "16:13", "text": "I said, wow." }, { "end_time": "16:19", "start_time": "16:14", "text": "I I wish I knew who was paying that and to whom because I'm not seeing any of it." }, { "end_time": "16:21", "start_time": "16:19", "text": "But we did that transparent process." }, { "end_time": "16:25", "start_time": "16:21", "text": "It went through and I think a whole bunch of those banks are now flashing." }, { "end_time": "16:33", "start_time": "16:25", "text": "When I see a bank on the mainstream and I say, I feel good about it that we are seeing some progress." }, { "end_time": "16:36", "start_time": "16:33", "text": "I'm also sure there's countless more stories like this from your tenure." }, { "end_time": "16:43", "start_time": "16:37", "text": "And you probably just used this one example to explain this economics 101 conversation that we're having." }, { "end_time": "16:46", "start_time": "16:44", "text": "I have to ask you that second supplemental question also." }, { "end_time": "16:50", "start_time": "16:47", "text": "How is the RBI governor's role different from the chief economic advisor?" }, { "end_time": "16:51", "start_time": "16:50", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "16:55", "start_time": "16:51", "text": "Different from the people within the finance ministry and the finance minister, Hassan?" }, { "end_time": "16:59", "start_time": "16:55", "text": "So the RBI governor does a bunch of things." }, { "end_time": "17:03", "start_time": "16:59", "text": "1, of course, is they, govern the money supply." }, { "end_time": "17:07", "start_time": "17:04", "text": "I mean, most people understand it is RBI prints notes." }, { "end_time": "17:11", "start_time": "17:07", "text": "It prints notes, but it does a lot else in terms of governing the money supply." }, { "end_time": "17:16", "start_time": "17:11", "text": "Biggest concern is the reserves that are out there in the system." }, { "end_time": "17:18", "start_time": "17:16", "text": "These are words I'm going to throw out." }, { "end_time": "17:19", "start_time": "17:18", "text": "You don't need to understand." }, { "end_time": "17:22", "start_time": "17:20", "text": "The pub, audience doesn't need to understand them." }, { "end_time": "17:24", "start_time": "17:22", "text": "Things like liquidity, they manage." }, { "end_time": "17:25", "start_time": "17:24", "text": "Then interest rates they set." }, { "end_time": "17:30", "start_time": "17:26", "text": "That is an important part of the, of what the RBI does." }, { "end_time": "17:37", "start_time": "17:30", "text": "It sets it high enough to keep activity from not going too fast, more inflation, or too slow, more recession." }, { "end_time": "17:40", "start_time": "17:38", "text": "And it keeps it in in the right place." }, { "end_time": "17:41", "start_time": "17:40", "text": "That varies." }, { "end_time": "17:43", "start_time": "17:41", "text": "That is something that it has to think about." }, { "end_time": "17:46", "start_time": "17:43", "text": "And that's why we have a monetary policy committee." }, { "end_time": "17:52", "start_time": "17:47", "text": "One of the things I did was to set up that monetary policy committee to make those decisions." }, { "end_time": "17:54", "start_time": "17:52", "text": "Because earlier it was only the governor making decisions." }, { "end_time": "17:57", "start_time": "17:54", "text": "I thought that was too much on one person." }, { "end_time": "17:59", "start_time": "17:57", "text": "It had to be a broader process." }, { "end_time": "18:09", "start_time": "18:00", "text": "But I think that, one of the most important differences within the RBI is it has these set rules." }, { "end_time": "18:18", "start_time": "18:09", "text": "The ministry is more about fulfilling the, sort of, promises of the government in power." }, { "end_time": "18:19", "start_time": "18:19", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "18:25", "start_time": "18:19", "text": "So the ministry is run by the finance minister who is a politic politician typically." }, { "end_time": "18:31", "start_time": "18:26", "text": "And so, they have to do what, you know, they promised the people." }, { "end_time": "18:35", "start_time": "18:32", "text": "And the RBI on the other hand is more a technocratic institution." }, { "end_time": "18:39", "start_time": "18:36", "text": "So typically, the objectives are aligned." }, { "end_time": "18:40", "start_time": "18:39", "text": "We both want growth." }, { "end_time": "18:41", "start_time": "18:40", "text": "We both want development." }, { "end_time": "18:45", "start_time": "18:41", "text": "We both want low inflation, but sometimes they diverge." }, { "end_time": "18:54", "start_time": "18:46", "text": "So for example, you know, before, an election, the ministry might want, you know, please cut interest rates." }, { "end_time": "18:57", "start_time": "18:54", "text": "It's gonna be better for for reelection." }, { "end_time": "18:59", "start_time": "18:57", "text": "People don't like high interest rates." }, { "end_time": "19:00", "start_time": "18:59", "text": "Don't keep growth too tight." }, { "end_time": "19:02", "start_time": "19:00", "text": "Let growth go." }, { "end_time": "19:04", "start_time": "19:02", "text": "That might be the incentives." }, { "end_time": "19:10", "start_time": "19:05", "text": "On the other hand, if the RBI is a technocratic institution, it's saying, no, no, that'll prompt inflation." }, { "end_time": "19:13", "start_time": "19:10", "text": "We don't really care about which government is in power." }, { "end_time": "19:16", "start_time": "19:13", "text": "We care about inflation in the in the longer term." }, { "end_time": "19:18", "start_time": "19:16", "text": "So there are some differences." }, { "end_time": "19:25", "start_time": "19:18", "text": "Typically, you know, there's more agreement, between the RBI and, and the and the finance ministry." }, { "end_time": "19:31", "start_time": "19:25", "text": "But of course, in the finance ministry, the attempt always is to boost growth." }, { "end_time": "19:35", "start_time": "19:32", "text": "In the RBI, it is to keep inflation under control." }, { "end_time": "19:37", "start_time": "19:35", "text": "So sometimes there are interesting conversations." }, { "end_time": "19:40", "start_time": "19:39", "text": "2nd of a co founder relationship." }, { "end_time": "19:43", "start_time": "19:40", "text": "1 co founder is aggressive, wants too much growth." }, { "end_time": "19:45", "start_time": "19:43", "text": "The other co founder is the play it safe." }, { "end_time": "19:45", "start_time": "19:45", "text": "Hey, listen." }, { "end_time": "19:47", "start_time": "19:45", "text": "Let's not get too crazy." }, { "end_time": "19:49", "start_time": "19:47", "text": "That's a very good way of describing it." }, { "end_time": "19:50", "start_time": "19:50", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "19:55", "start_time": "19:51", "text": "And and of course, the problem is one co founder is appointed by the other cofounder." }, { "end_time": "20:00", "start_time": "19:56", "text": "So so this is why people keep saying we need independence." }, { "end_time": "20:15", "start_time": "20:00", "text": "And there's a certain amount of independence which has developed over time through custom That, the RBI, even though the governor is appointed by the finance minister along with the prime minister, over time develops a certain kind of independence of their own." }, { "end_time": "20:20", "start_time": "20:15", "text": "I can't imagine how many human dynamics and power dynamics are at play when all this is happening." }, { "end_time": "20:20", "start_time": "20:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:21", "start_time": "20:20", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "20:23", "start_time": "20:21", "text": "There there there is a lot." }, { "end_time": "20:29", "start_time": "20:23", "text": "And and, you know, I mean, the Indian government is a complex institution." }, { "end_time": "20:38", "start_time": "20:30", "text": "And, there are I mean, apart from objective differences, there are also, cohort differences." }, { "end_time": "20:47", "start_time": "20:39", "text": "The IS is a very strong and powerful, sort of, force within the government and they have their own sort of issues." }, { "end_time": "20:55", "start_time": "20:47", "text": "So it's an interesting I think sociologists would have a fun time looking at all this and examining the different behaviors." }, { "end_time": "20:56", "start_time": "20:55", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "20:57", "start_time": "20:56", "text": "And where does the CEO come in?" }, { "end_time": "20:58", "start_time": "20:57", "text": "Chief economic advisor." }, { "end_time": "21:04", "start_time": "20:58", "text": "Chief economic advisor is supposed to be the technical sort of adviser to the finance minister." }, { "end_time": "21:10", "start_time": "21:05", "text": "So essentially, they're trying to tell the finance minister, okay, you want to do this." }, { "end_time": "21:14", "start_time": "21:10", "text": "This is the best way of doing it, economically speaking." }, { "end_time": "21:15", "start_time": "21:14", "text": "Be careful." }, { "end_time": "21:17", "start_time": "21:15", "text": "Don't do this, but do that." }, { "end_time": "21:23", "start_time": "21:18", "text": "So for example, let's say the idea is we want to boost growth, by reducing taxes." }, { "end_time": "21:26", "start_time": "21:24", "text": "Where do you where do you reduce taxes?" }, { "end_time": "21:28", "start_time": "21:26", "text": "Do you reduce taxes so as to enhance investment?" }, { "end_time": "21:37", "start_time": "21:29", "text": "That is you reduce it for corporations making investment, or do you reduce it on, Amjunta so that they can have more money that they can spend?" }, { "end_time": "21:38", "start_time": "21:37", "text": "Which one do you do?" }, { "end_time": "21:39", "start_time": "21:38", "text": "How do you do it?" }, { "end_time": "21:44", "start_time": "21:39", "text": "Those are the kinds of issues that the chief economic adviser would advise the government about." }, { "end_time": "21:47", "start_time": "21:45", "text": "Is that a job profile that ever interested you?" }, { "end_time": "21:52", "start_time": "21:49", "text": "I think it is a necessary job profile." }, { "end_time": "21:55", "start_time": "21:53", "text": "You need to understand how the government works." }, { "end_time": "22:03", "start_time": "21:56", "text": "If you want to be in something like the Reserve Bank, you need to understand, you know, here are the dynamics at work." }, { "end_time": "22:04", "start_time": "22:03", "text": "Here are the concerns." }, { "end_time": "22:12", "start_time": "22:04", "text": "It is also a place where the political establishment gets to assess you." }, { "end_time": "22:16", "start_time": "22:12", "text": "Are you I mean, before entrusting you with with too much power." }, { "end_time": "22:21", "start_time": "22:16", "text": "So a number of chief economic advisers have become governor, Bimal Jalan, for example." }, { "end_time": "22:31", "start_time": "22:22", "text": "And and I think it it breeds a certain amount of trust, when you have a chief economic adviser interacting with the finance minister of the day." }, { "end_time": "22:31", "start_time": "22:31", "text": "Gotcha." }, { "end_time": "22:37", "start_time": "22:32", "text": "So all in all, the CA kind of feeds into that aggressive cofounder, which is the government." }, { "end_time": "22:49", "start_time": "22:37", "text": "The RBI governor and his team or her team are the, like slightly played safe individuals in order to keep the safety of the country's economic growth at the forefront." }, { "end_time": "22:50", "start_time": "22:49", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "22:50", "start_time": "22:50", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "22:52", "start_time": "22:51", "text": "And this creates interesting dynamics." }, { "end_time": "23:02", "start_time": "22:52", "text": "I'll tell you one story where one gentleman, and I won't name names here, who was on the, you said, aggressive cofounder side." }, { "end_time": "23:04", "start_time": "23:02", "text": "That is on the ministry side." }, { "end_time": "23:08", "start_time": "23:04", "text": "I won't reveal his position because it'll become very clear who he was." }, { "end_time": "23:17", "start_time": "23:08", "text": "Wrote a very strong letter to the reserve bank saying you must do this, this, this because you're holding back, these developments." }, { "end_time": "23:21", "start_time": "23:18", "text": "And then in the middle, he wrote the letter, no reply." }, { "end_time": "23:27", "start_time": "23:22", "text": "In the middle, he got shifted and became deputy governor in the RBI." }, { "end_time": "23:37", "start_time": "23:27", "text": "And he had the objective he had the task of responding to the letter that he had written himself from the finance ministry to the RBI." }, { "end_time": "23:42", "start_time": "23:37", "text": "And he wrote back rejecting all the demands that he had put forward." }, { "end_time": "23:47", "start_time": "23:43", "text": "So the point is not that this is silly government." }, { "end_time": "23:51", "start_time": "23:48", "text": "The point is that within the government, you have checks and balances." }, { "end_time": "23:56", "start_time": "23:52", "text": "And each, institution has its objectives." }, { "end_time": "24:06", "start_time": "23:56", "text": "And I think when they were both work, you know, in a in a broader spirit of cooperation, but each one focusing on what they are supposed to do, it works well." }, { "end_time": "24:15", "start_time": "24:06", "text": "And sometimes you get these strange situations where the same person, but with a different objective will respond differently to that particular issue." }, { "end_time": "24:16", "start_time": "24:15", "text": "And I think this is okay." }, { "end_time": "24:17", "start_time": "24:16", "text": "This is healthy." }, { "end_time": "24:18", "start_time": "24:18", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "24:27", "start_time": "24:18", "text": "The the example that you use right now about how there can be differences between the RBI think tank and the government think tank, I think you highlighted election season." }, { "end_time": "24:31", "start_time": "24:28", "text": "So that when election season is coming up, a lot happens in the country." }, { "end_time": "24:34", "start_time": "24:31", "text": "Because the government in power would be trying to stay in power." }, { "end_time": "24:36", "start_time": "24:34", "text": "And the opposition would be trying to gain power as well." }, { "end_time": "24:42", "start_time": "24:37", "text": "The one thing I have learnt about a politician's life is that its starkly divided into 2 parts." }, { "end_time": "24:45", "start_time": "24:43", "text": "In the first one, the mission is to get elected." }, { "end_time": "24:47", "start_time": "24:45", "text": "In the second one, the mission is governance." }, { "end_time": "24:56", "start_time": "24:48", "text": "Now the thing is in that whole process about trying to get elected, it does change behavioral battle, it does change decision making, etcetera, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "24:59", "start_time": "24:56", "text": "And I kind of don't blame them because that's how the system is built." }, { "end_time": "25:05", "start_time": "25:00", "text": "You're saying that during the election season, it kind of bothered your work as well." }, { "end_time": "25:19", "start_time": "25:05", "text": "My question to you is say if a government gets elected, and they know they are going to be in power over the next tenure, do they still have a large say or do they oppose you a lot in your functioning as the RBI Governor?" }, { "end_time": "25:19", "start_time": "25:19", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "25:24", "start_time": "25:19", "text": "See, let me give you an example because I think again, examples make it more concrete." }, { "end_time": "25:25", "start_time": "25:24", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "25:36", "start_time": "25:26", "text": "In the run up to an election, there's a great incentive to waive loans, especially to the agriculture sector, which is politically very important." }, { "end_time": "25:44", "start_time": "25:37", "text": "So farmer loan waivers are very, very, sort of become pressing for every candidate to announce." }, { "end_time": "25:55", "start_time": "25:48", "text": "And the problem, of course, is that once you become the new government, you have to find money to pay for all that." }, { "end_time": "26:08", "start_time": "25:55", "text": "Because when you say it's waiver, it means the government is gonna pay the debt to the banks because somebody has to pay other banks will make losses, and that won't be, you know, permissible in the long run." }, { "end_time": "26:15", "start_time": "26:08", "text": "So when the government comes into part, then it says, how will we get the money to pay for all this?" }, { "end_time": "26:22", "start_time": "26:16", "text": "We have just announced such a big thing, and we've also got so much else to do on the development front." }, { "end_time": "26:23", "start_time": "26:22", "text": "We need to build roads." }, { "end_time": "26:24", "start_time": "26:23", "text": "We need to build airports." }, { "end_time": "26:28", "start_time": "26:24", "text": "We need to, you know, provide, transfers to the most needy." }, { "end_time": "26:30", "start_time": "26:29", "text": "So there's a lot of demands." }, { "end_time": "26:34", "start_time": "26:30", "text": "And so invariably, what used to happen is they do the loan waiver." }, { "end_time": "26:41", "start_time": "26:34", "text": "And then after they do the loan waiver and they win the election, they come and say, Acha, please help us." }, { "end_time": "26:45", "start_time": "26:42", "text": "And you say, you know, how can I help you?" }, { "end_time": "26:47", "start_time": "26:45", "text": "You know, forbearance." }, { "end_time": "26:49", "start_time": "26:47", "text": "Don't don't, you know, let us do this." }, { "end_time": "26:50", "start_time": "26:49", "text": "Let us do that." }, { "end_time": "26:59", "start_time": "26:51", "text": "But the problem, of course, is once they get into part, they have to govern exactly what you said, promises earlier, which some of which are not the greatest promise." }, { "end_time": "27:03", "start_time": "26:59", "text": "But then governance has to happen after they get elected." }, { "end_time": "27:05", "start_time": "27:03", "text": "And then if there's no money, how do you govern?" }, { "end_time": "27:09", "start_time": "27:06", "text": "You need some money to make investments and so on." }, { "end_time": "27:17", "start_time": "27:09", "text": "I think it's important to be a little careful in the promises you make because, you do need to have the ability to govern afterwards." }, { "end_time": "27:19", "start_time": "27:17", "text": "Have you had to sort situations like this?" }, { "end_time": "27:20", "start_time": "27:19", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "27:23", "start_time": "27:20", "text": "And have you had to give in to government's demands?" }, { "end_time": "27:23", "start_time": "27:23", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "27:26", "start_time": "27:23", "text": "I mean, many of these were state governments." }, { "end_time": "27:32", "start_time": "27:26", "text": "And, but, you know, state governments have some backing also from the central government sometimes." }, { "end_time": "27:35", "start_time": "27:32", "text": "And you have to say, look, you know, this is not good practice." }, { "end_time": "27:38", "start_time": "27:35", "text": "I can do this, but I can't do that." }, { "end_time": "27:43", "start_time": "27:38", "text": "What we have to do is find something which works in the broader scheme of things." }, { "end_time": "27:55", "start_time": "27:43", "text": "But also, I mean, ultimately, even though we, you know, politicians have to do what they have to do, as a regulatory institution, if you give in too easily, you make it easier for them to do it." }, { "end_time": "28:00", "start_time": "27:55", "text": "And in fact, they will feel upset that you made it easy because next time they have to do it again." }, { "end_time": "28:02", "start_time": "28:00", "text": "They would rather that you stop them." }, { "end_time": "28:10", "start_time": "28:03", "text": "In fact, they would you know, I think the the right thing was would be they would make all the promises upfront, And then you'd come in and say, no." }, { "end_time": "28:11", "start_time": "28:10", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "28:11", "start_time": "28:11", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "28:11", "start_time": "28:11", "text": "You can't." }, { "end_time": "28:18", "start_time": "28:12", "text": "I mean, many politicians would love the courts to stop them from doing that because then they'll have the money to do the governance afterwards." }, { "end_time": "28:21", "start_time": "28:19", "text": "If they're stopped by the courts, they can blame the courts." }, { "end_time": "28:23", "start_time": "28:21", "text": "And perhaps they can publicly blame you also." }, { "end_time": "28:24", "start_time": "28:23", "text": "They can blame me." }, { "end_time": "28:31", "start_time": "28:24", "text": "Actually, this was, I mean, this is the role of independent institutions to take some of the blame." }, { "end_time": "28:37", "start_time": "28:31", "text": "And and but, you know, you need to allow them to be independent then then they can absorb the blame." }, { "end_time": "28:38", "start_time": "28:37", "text": "Was it a fun stint?" }, { "end_time": "28:52", "start_time": "28:39", "text": "I think it was a very fulfilling stint because there were many days you left at the end of the day, you know, 7, 8 o'clock meetings all day, but you felt you accomplished something." }, { "end_time": "28:54", "start_time": "28:53", "text": "We moved the needle." }, { "end_time": "28:58", "start_time": "28:55", "text": "That is something you rarely get in any job." }, { "end_time": "29:04", "start_time": "28:59", "text": "Partly because most jobs, what you're doing is you're pushing the paper to somebody else." }, { "end_time": "29:10", "start_time": "29:05", "text": "Even if you, you know, agree, there's somebody else who has to take the decision." }, { "end_time": "29:15", "start_time": "29:11", "text": "At the Reserve Bank, a lot of the decisions you could take yourself." }, { "end_time": "29:16", "start_time": "29:15", "text": "You didn't have to move it elsewhere." }, { "end_time": "29:22", "start_time": "29:16", "text": "So if we debated the whole day within the bank and we said, you could do it." }, { "end_time": "29:24", "start_time": "29:22", "text": "You didn't have to ask for further permission." }, { "end_time": "29:30", "start_time": "29:24", "text": "And that allowed you to feel at the end of the day that you actually had made a difference." }, { "end_time": "29:32", "start_time": "29:30", "text": "And in public service, there's no better feeling." }, { "end_time": "29:39", "start_time": "29:33", "text": "What in your heart or in your eyes was your biggest achievement?" }, { "end_time": "29:49", "start_time": "29:41", "text": "I think, there are I mean, I'll I'll I'll instead of one, let me name name 4." }, { "end_time": "29:51", "start_time": "29:50", "text": "We brought down inflation." }, { "end_time": "29:54", "start_time": "29:51", "text": "Inflation was at near double digits." }, { "end_time": "30:08", "start_time": "29:54", "text": "We brought it down, and we ensured it would stay low over time by creating this inflation committee process, making inflation the fundamental focus of, of of the Reserve Bank." }, { "end_time": "30:09", "start_time": "30:08", "text": "So that was 1." }, { "end_time": "30:19", "start_time": "30:10", "text": "We started UPI, direct money transfers that you make all the time through Paytm or through, you know, phone pay." }, { "end_time": "30:21", "start_time": "30:19", "text": "That was started in my time." }, { "end_time": "30:22", "start_time": "30:21", "text": "It was ideated in your time as well?" }, { "end_time": "30:24", "start_time": "30:22", "text": "It was ideated also." }, { "end_time": "30:27", "start_time": "30:24", "text": "But, the the I mean, success has many fathers." }, { "end_time": "30:32", "start_time": "30:27", "text": "So I don't want to claim that, that we ideated it, but we brought it out." }, { "end_time": "30:42", "start_time": "30:32", "text": "The single most important contribution I think that we made in that was to allow the non banks, to actually offer that service." }, { "end_time": "30:45", "start_time": "30:42", "text": "Otherwise, the banks wanted to monopolize it." }, { "end_time": "30:49", "start_time": "30:45", "text": "Today, 95% of transactions are done by the non banks." }, { "end_time": "30:55", "start_time": "30:49", "text": "So that was very important in the success of these, transfers that are made." }, { "end_time": "30:59", "start_time": "30:55", "text": "So that was, I think, a second, very important." }, { "end_time": "31:06", "start_time": "30:59", "text": "And third, we started the cleanup of the banks Because banks had a lot of bad loans and they had built up over time." }, { "end_time": "31:09", "start_time": "31:06", "text": "There were some business houses which just refused to pay." }, { "end_time": "31:19", "start_time": "31:09", "text": "And so we had to get them to start paying, get them to see the loan as a commitment to repay because ultimately the taxpayer was bearing the burden of those bad loans." }, { "end_time": "31:27", "start_time": "31:19", "text": "And so we started that process of cleaning up how much bad loans there were and then started putting pressure." }, { "end_time": "31:40", "start_time": "31:27", "text": "One of my best moments in the last year was when I met one of the promoters at a conference, and he said, sir, We gave it back." }, { "end_time": "31:41", "start_time": "31:40", "text": "And I said, wow." }, { "end_time": "31:53", "start_time": "31:42", "text": "For somebody to feel proud that they repaid, when earlier the sense was pride that we're not repaying, we have made a joke of the system." }, { "end_time": "31:56", "start_time": "31:54", "text": "I think that was a change in culture." }, { "end_time": "31:57", "start_time": "31:56", "text": "So I mean, those are the 3 things." }, { "end_time": "32:01", "start_time": "31:57", "text": "I mean, I came in when there was a lot of worry about the rupee." }, { "end_time": "32:02", "start_time": "32:01", "text": "The rupee was falling." }, { "end_time": "32:05", "start_time": "32:02", "text": "We were part of the, taper tantrum." }, { "end_time": "32:10", "start_time": "32:06", "text": "There was a talk that we were fragile 5, one of the fragile 5." }, { "end_time": "32:20", "start_time": "32:11", "text": "And we brought back the system from that rupee collapsing, rupee strengthened, foreign exchange started coming in." }, { "end_time": "32:24", "start_time": "32:20", "text": "There's more confidence and that has remained." }, { "end_time": "32:28", "start_time": "32:24", "text": "I think the rupee has performed quite well over time." }, { "end_time": "32:30", "start_time": "32:28", "text": "A lot of confidence in the system." }, { "end_time": "32:31", "start_time": "32:30", "text": "Inflation has been contained." }, { "end_time": "32:35", "start_time": "32:31", "text": "It's not been those huge rates of inflation we've seen in the past." }, { "end_time": "32:39", "start_time": "32:36", "text": "And I think all this is good change which has come." }, { "end_time": "32:43", "start_time": "32:39", "text": "We had Aatishi from the AAP on the show, on the Hindi podcast." }, { "end_time": "32:47", "start_time": "32:43", "text": "And from every political podcast, especially I have a few takeaways." }, { "end_time": "32:50", "start_time": "32:48", "text": "So my question to her was about freebies." }, { "end_time": "32:54", "start_time": "32:50", "text": "Because the AAP is known for distributing freebies in Delhi." }, { "end_time": "32:57", "start_time": "32:54", "text": "Free electricity, free water up till a certain point." }, { "end_time": "33:04", "start_time": "32:57", "text": "So I asked her that economically speaking, can all governments actually afford to do this?" }, { "end_time": "33:08", "start_time": "33:04", "text": "Because that will help the country or it will help the lower strata immensely financially." }, { "end_time": "33:12", "start_time": "33:09", "text": "Her response was, Yes, if there was no corruption." }, { "end_time": "33:28", "start_time": "33:12", "text": "Is it true that there's enough money with the central government for example, which can be distributed as freebies for the lower status of society if the government was entirely corruption free in all layers." }, { "end_time": "33:41", "start_time": "33:30", "text": "So one of the changes which has been very beneficial over the last few years is the use of, data and, and direct transfers." }, { "end_time": "33:49", "start_time": "33:43", "text": "That has made it possible to reduce the amount of corruption in the flow of money to the final beneficiary." }, { "end_time": "33:54", "start_time": "33:50", "text": "So we can know who the final beneficiary is." }, { "end_time": "33:56", "start_time": "33:54", "text": "We can transfer directly into their bank account." }, { "end_time": "34:04", "start_time": "33:56", "text": "And through periodic filtering using Aadhaar, this, that, we can filter out the people who shouldn't be receiving benefits." }, { "end_time": "34:10", "start_time": "34:05", "text": "Nevertheless, it is still difficult targeting the very poor because who's very poor, right?" }, { "end_time": "34:13", "start_time": "34:10", "text": "You can say, Achal, you shouldn't have a car." }, { "end_time": "34:15", "start_time": "34:13", "text": "You shouldn't have a government job." }, { "end_time": "34:16", "start_time": "34:15", "text": "You shouldn't have this." }, { "end_time": "34:17", "start_time": "34:16", "text": "Those are exclusion." }, { "end_time": "34:25", "start_time": "34:18", "text": "But if you apply all those, you maybe get rid of 20% of the people that leave the remaining 80%." }, { "end_time": "34:28", "start_time": "34:25", "text": "Now who amongst them is the very poor?" }, { "end_time": "34:38", "start_time": "34:29", "text": "I think it's useful to allow the very poor to have some ability to improve their lives, to invest in their children, to make a difference." }, { "end_time": "34:40", "start_time": "34:38", "text": "And that's what we talk about in this book." }, { "end_time": "34:44", "start_time": "34:40", "text": "How do we get an upliftment of the very poor?" }, { "end_time": "34:48", "start_time": "34:44", "text": "Because if we want to become a rich country, the poor have to become much richer." }, { "end_time": "34:52", "start_time": "34:48", "text": "They have to invest in health care, in nutrition, in education." }, { "end_time": "34:56", "start_time": "34:52", "text": "And if they don't do it when the kids are very young, it's too late." }, { "end_time": "35:04", "start_time": "34:56", "text": "By age 5, the child is effectively, you know, if the child hasn't got good nutrition is effectively crippled for the rest of their life." }, { "end_time": "35:10", "start_time": "35:04", "text": "So if you give them a certain amount of money, if they spend it on better food, healthier food." }, { "end_time": "35:10", "start_time": "35:10", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "35:15", "start_time": "35:10", "text": "Today, everybody gets free free food grains, but maybe they need more vegetables." }, { "end_time": "35:18", "start_time": "35:15", "text": "Maybe they need they need more ghee, maybe dal." }, { "end_time": "35:21", "start_time": "35:19", "text": "How do you allow them to make that choice?" }, { "end_time": "35:34", "start_time": "35:21", "text": "Maybe they want to send the child to a slightly better private school because the public school when I talk private school, I'm talking about a small school, which is run by people who take some fees, not those, daily public school, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "35:38", "start_time": "35:34", "text": "But if you want them to do that, can you give them a certain amount of money?" }, { "end_time": "35:49", "start_time": "35:38", "text": "This will be beneficial because it'll uplift when you invest in your family, when you invest in your children, invest in human resources, which in the long run is really good for the country." }, { "end_time": "35:52", "start_time": "35:49", "text": "So targeted transfers, I'm not against." }, { "end_time": "36:03", "start_time": "35:53", "text": "The problem comes when you just spread it around to all in sundry as a you know, political mimic." }, { "end_time": "36:05", "start_time": "36:04", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "36:07", "start_time": "36:05", "text": "And that becomes problematic." }, { "end_time": "36:08", "start_time": "36:07", "text": "Now how to tell the difference?" }, { "end_time": "36:13", "start_time": "36:09", "text": "I mean, there is the degree of targeting which is very important." }, { "end_time": "36:16", "start_time": "36:13", "text": "So you should basically focus on the needy population." }, { "end_time": "36:21", "start_time": "36:18", "text": "And and then the how do you what do you target?" }, { "end_time": "36:37", "start_time": "36:21", "text": "So offering it in in actual goods, so much electricity, so much gas, so much of this thing is a little more, problematic because then the beneficiary has to take so much, and they may not need all that." }, { "end_time": "36:40", "start_time": "36:38", "text": "So for example, food grains." }, { "end_time": "36:46", "start_time": "36:40", "text": "If I give you so much food grain, because so cheap, you're tempted to just eat the food grain." }, { "end_time": "36:48", "start_time": "36:46", "text": "But maybe you need a more balanced diet." }, { "end_time": "36:54", "start_time": "36:48", "text": "But because vegetables cost so much relative to the food grain, you fill your stomach with the food grain." }, { "end_time": "36:55", "start_time": "36:54", "text": "And then you get malnutrition." }, { "end_time": "37:00", "start_time": "36:56", "text": "You get all the diseases associated with bad, diets." }, { "end_time": "37:09", "start_time": "37:00", "text": "So, ideally I would give you money to buy the food grains and the vegetables and the dals that you need for a balanced diet." }, { "end_time": "37:14", "start_time": "37:11", "text": "So direct money transfers I think are very good." }, { "end_time": "37:17", "start_time": "37:14", "text": "They empower the very poor if properly targeted." }, { "end_time": "37:22", "start_time": "37:18", "text": "You know, free electricity, free food, grains, etcetera, becomes more problematic." }, { "end_time": "37:25", "start_time": "37:22", "text": "Let me give you an example of free electricity becoming a problem." }, { "end_time": "37:28", "start_time": "37:25", "text": "If you give free electricity to the farmers, what happens?" }, { "end_time": "37:32", "start_time": "37:29", "text": "Well, they use it to dig bore wells and lift the water." }, { "end_time": "37:33", "start_time": "37:32", "text": "That's good." }, { "end_time": "37:36", "start_time": "37:33", "text": "But poor farmers can't dig deep bore wells." }, { "end_time": "37:37", "start_time": "37:36", "text": "They cost a lot of money." }, { "end_time": "37:40", "start_time": "37:38", "text": "Rich farmers can dig much deeper." }, { "end_time": "37:44", "start_time": "37:40", "text": "So what happens, the water gets evacuated by the rich farmers." }, { "end_time": "37:49", "start_time": "37:44", "text": "They get dig deeper and the water table, the level at which the water is falls deeper and deeper." }, { "end_time": "37:53", "start_time": "37:49", "text": "So the poor farmers who can dig shallow bore wells don't get any water." }, { "end_time": "37:54", "start_time": "37:53", "text": "This becomes very unequal." }, { "end_time": "37:56", "start_time": "37:55", "text": "And this is not theory." }, { "end_time": "37:58", "start_time": "37:56", "text": "This is actual practice what happens." }, { "end_time": "38:04", "start_time": "37:59", "text": "So there are examples when you give free this or free that, it hurts some of the poor also." }, { "end_time": "38:06", "start_time": "38:04", "text": "You have to make sure that that doesn't happen." }, { "end_time": "38:15", "start_time": "38:06", "text": "Using the data we have because of adhar, we kind of at least have an idea about where the poor agenda is." }, { "end_time": "38:17", "start_time": "38:15", "text": "You give it to the women." }, { "end_time": "38:20", "start_time": "38:17", "text": "That that a lot of states are starting to do." }, { "end_time": "38:21", "start_time": "38:20", "text": "That's the idea they have." }, { "end_time": "38:30", "start_time": "38:21", "text": "And and yes, that is in a a option because there's a sense whether right or wrong that the women will invest more in their children." }, { "end_time": "38:33", "start_time": "38:31", "text": "There's also a sense the men will blow it on drink." }, { "end_time": "38:36", "start_time": "38:33", "text": "That's not That's what I would assume as well." }, { "end_time": "38:38", "start_time": "38:36", "text": "Evidence is it's not that that strong." }, { "end_time": "38:48", "start_time": "38:38", "text": "But but nevertheless, there is a sense that even having the woman control the bank account, unfortunately, in our country, there's an imbalance between the man and the woman." }, { "end_time": "38:55", "start_time": "38:48", "text": "And giving the woman access to the household finances, is a positive step in empowering women." }, { "end_time": "38:57", "start_time": "38:55", "text": "And that's that's that can be very useful." }, { "end_time": "39:01", "start_time": "38:57", "text": "So I I think absolutely we should do a lot of this." }, { "end_time": "39:04", "start_time": "39:02", "text": "But the key issue, is it affordable?" }, { "end_time": "39:07", "start_time": "39:04", "text": "Comes from how how well you can target." }, { "end_time": "39:15", "start_time": "39:08", "text": "Unfortunately, if you target too, narrowly, there are some poor people who'd be left out." }, { "end_time": "39:16", "start_time": "39:16", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "39:19", "start_time": "39:17", "text": "Because we don't reach everybody." }, { "end_time": "39:19", "start_time": "39:19", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "39:24", "start_time": "39:19", "text": "We have even our Aadhaar doesn't cover every part of the population." }, { "end_time": "39:25", "start_time": "39:24", "text": "Sometimes the poorest are left out." }, { "end_time": "39:31", "start_time": "39:25", "text": "If you do the ration card, sometimes the very poorest don't have the ration card because they're sleeping on the footpath." }, { "end_time": "39:33", "start_time": "39:31", "text": "They don't have any address." }, { "end_time": "39:38", "start_time": "39:33", "text": "They don't have any so we have to make sure nobody who's really poor is excluded." }, { "end_time": "39:48", "start_time": "39:38", "text": "And I think we need to do a better job of ensuring the rich or the richer ones who don't require this are actually excluded." }, { "end_time": "39:57", "start_time": "39:49", "text": "So sometimes, you know, in Indonesia, what they did was they asked the village to identify the rich and to say, okay." }, { "end_time": "40:02", "start_time": "39:57", "text": "We will exclude these based on that village identification process." }, { "end_time": "40:11", "start_time": "40:03", "text": "We should make it a stigma for richer people to benefit from these transfers and, you know, maybe publicize in every village." }, { "end_time": "40:12", "start_time": "40:11", "text": "These are the people getting the transfers." }, { "end_time": "40:17", "start_time": "40:12", "text": "Then people say, Acha, this person has a car already and they're getting a transfer." }, { "end_time": "40:18", "start_time": "40:17", "text": "How is that possible?" }, { "end_time": "40:20", "start_time": "40:18", "text": "So we need the system to work." }, { "end_time": "40:26", "start_time": "40:21", "text": "And some of the information which is not in the system to come into the system without it becoming a police state." }, { "end_time": "40:27", "start_time": "40:26", "text": "Gotcha." }, { "end_time": "40:33", "start_time": "40:28", "text": "Do you think that there is an element of truth in what Aditi said about corruption as well?" }, { "end_time": "40:39", "start_time": "40:34", "text": "That there's corruption that happens in the central government because of which more freebies cannot be given out?" }, { "end_time": "40:41", "start_time": "40:40", "text": "I don't think that is the constraint." }, { "end_time": "40:59", "start_time": "40:42", "text": "I I think, in fact, one of the sort of positive achievements of the last 10, 15 years has been moving to this Adar based direct benefit transfer, which has made the government more efficient in giving direct transfers." }, { "end_time": "41:14", "start_time": "41:01", "text": "That said, I think the problem may be on the other side, and this is where the freebie culture comes in, that, you know, we also want to provide good schools, good health care to the public." }, { "end_time": "41:34", "start_time": "41:15", "text": "But when it becomes really easy to provide the freebie, and that's what, again, what we write about in the book, that when you when you, can put your face on an advertisement, Then who gets the credit?" }, { "end_time": "41:38", "start_time": "41:35", "text": "That big politician whose face is on the front page." }, { "end_time": "41:47", "start_time": "41:38", "text": "And then it becomes very convenient because I want to build up my name for the chief ministers, the prime ministers, whatever, to build themselves on the basis of freebies." }, { "end_time": "41:55", "start_time": "41:48", "text": "It's very hard to say I repaired the school in, the building your school building, repainted it, made it cleaner." }, { "end_time": "42:01", "start_time": "41:55", "text": "When you're sitting, you know, in Delhi or in, in, Lucknow, and the school is in some small area." }, { "end_time": "42:02", "start_time": "42:02", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "42:10", "start_time": "42:03", "text": "You know, if you were a much more decentralized, government like Delhi, then you can claim some credit." }, { "end_time": "42:12", "start_time": "42:10", "text": "And, you know, you were talking about Atishi." }, { "end_time": "42:26", "start_time": "42:12", "text": "What the Delhi government has done right is fix the schools, repainted them so that the quality of education the government schools is now on par with the private schools, including some of these public schools, Delhi public school, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "42:28", "start_time": "42:26", "text": "So that's that's that's a win." }, { "end_time": "42:32", "start_time": "42:28", "text": "That's that's very beneficial, but we need more of that also." }, { "end_time": "42:36", "start_time": "42:32", "text": "Who loses out in this freebies situation?" }, { "end_time": "42:37", "start_time": "42:36", "text": "Freebies are truly given out." }, { "end_time": "42:41", "start_time": "42:37", "text": "And by freebies I mean that little bag of money." }, { "end_time": "42:48", "start_time": "42:41", "text": "That basically what I've gained from this overall answer that you actually put money into the bank account of the poorest of the poor." }, { "end_time": "42:50", "start_time": "42:48", "text": "Does anyone lose out in this process?" }, { "end_time": "42:50", "start_time": "42:50", "text": "Not from that." }, { "end_time": "42:58", "start_time": "42:50", "text": "I think you actually buy prosperity because you give them a chance to have a voice." }, { "end_time": "42:59", "start_time": "42:58", "text": "See, money talks." }, { "end_time": "43:08", "start_time": "43:00", "text": "If that poor person comes with, you know, even to a government of office, they're not treated well." }, { "end_time": "43:16", "start_time": "43:09", "text": "If they go to a shop with 200 rupees or 2,000 rupees in their hand and say, I want to buy, They treat it with respect." }, { "end_time": "43:23", "start_time": "43:17", "text": "So the bottom up freebie gives respect to those people at the bottom." }, { "end_time": "43:35", "start_time": "43:23", "text": "But, and that's as a relatively poor country still, there's only so much we can afford because then the freebie eats into the public provision of services." }, { "end_time": "43:43", "start_time": "43:35", "text": "If you give too many freebies, you can't afford that hospital, you can't afford the school, which also need investment." }, { "end_time": "43:45", "start_time": "43:44", "text": "So it's a it's a trade off." }, { "end_time": "43:46", "start_time": "43:45", "text": "It's a balancing." }, { "end_time": "43:47", "start_time": "43:46", "text": "This is what economics is." }, { "end_time": "43:49", "start_time": "43:47", "text": "This is what economics is." }, { "end_time": "43:49", "start_time": "43:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "43:52", "start_time": "43:49", "text": "That what do you sacrifice in order for growth?" }, { "end_time": "43:53", "start_time": "43:52", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "43:54", "start_time": "43:53", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "44:05", "start_time": "43:54", "text": "We had Tahesin Poonal on the show who is a political commentator, and he's often against a lot of stuff that the Modi government does." }, { "end_time": "44:12", "start_time": "44:06", "text": "One of the things he brought up was, I mean, again, I'm giving you a very simple version of what he said." }, { "end_time": "44:32", "start_time": "44:12", "text": "He said something like, though considering the size of our population and the large youth population, every economic win that the Indian Government claims is their own, like that the Modi Government claims is their own in the last 9 to 10 years, would have happened anyway even if a Congress government was in power." }, { "end_time": "44:35", "start_time": "44:33", "text": "How true is that economically?" }, { "end_time": "44:36", "start_time": "44:35", "text": "Or it's an unpredictable?" }, { "end_time": "44:39", "start_time": "44:37", "text": "It's a hard to answer question." }, { "end_time": "44:43", "start_time": "44:40", "text": "Every government carries on the work of previous governments." }, { "end_time": "44:44", "start_time": "44:43", "text": "For for sure." }, { "end_time": "45:01", "start_time": "44:45", "text": "So, for example, when I said that these direct benefit transfers had been rolled out, that was in a sense taking the Aadhaar platform, which was created by the UPA government, and taking it to its logical conclusion, which was rolling out direct benefits to to people." }, { "end_time": "45:06", "start_time": "45:02", "text": "You know, obviously, both governments needed to do the work." }, { "end_time": "45:08", "start_time": "45:07", "text": "Which government gets more credit?" }, { "end_time": "45:09", "start_time": "45:08", "text": "Hard to say." }, { "end_time": "45:16", "start_time": "45:09", "text": "But to say that all the credit belongs to the government past 2014 and none belongs before or vice versa Yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:20", "start_time": "45:17", "text": "I think is is is is is not right." }, { "end_time": "45:25", "start_time": "45:20", "text": "I think a big part of political narrative all over the world is mudslinging in the other direction." }, { "end_time": "45:25", "start_time": "45:25", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "45:26", "start_time": "45:26", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "45:32", "start_time": "45:27", "text": "Now, so so I think it's important to remember that government is is continuity." }, { "end_time": "45:35", "start_time": "45:33", "text": "It builds on the work of previous government." }, { "end_time": "45:36", "start_time": "45:35", "text": "This is what I'm trying to break down, sir." }, { "end_time": "45:38", "start_time": "45:36", "text": "This government is continuity." }, { "end_time": "45:39", "start_time": "45:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:41", "start_time": "45:39", "text": "This statement, can you break it down more?" }, { "end_time": "45:45", "start_time": "45:41", "text": "Because what changes when the party in power actually changes?" }, { "end_time": "45:47", "start_time": "45:45", "text": "The RBI Governor will be the same." }, { "end_time": "45:51", "start_time": "45:48", "text": "I am assuming even economic policy for a long time will be the same." }, { "end_time": "45:55", "start_time": "45:52", "text": "And the other thing and please correct me if I'm thinking wrong." }, { "end_time": "46:02", "start_time": "45:56", "text": "But I feel like some of the smartest people in the country work in positions of power, work as the CEO." }, { "end_time": "46:04", "start_time": "46:02", "text": "You guys have access to the best minds in the country." }, { "end_time": "46:13", "start_time": "46:04", "text": "Which is why I think it's political narrative from both sides to downplay what their opposition has done." }, { "end_time": "46:13", "start_time": "46:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:14", "start_time": "46:13", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "46:15", "start_time": "46:14", "text": "I think that that is right." }, { "end_time": "46:19", "start_time": "46:16", "text": "I think there is a fair amount of continuity, but it's not all continuity." }, { "end_time": "46:21", "start_time": "46:19", "text": "So let me give you a couple of examples." }, { "end_time": "46:24", "start_time": "46:24", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "46:27", "start_time": "46:24", "text": "NAREGA, National Rural Employment Guarantee Scheme." }, { "end_time": "46:27", "start_time": "46:27", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "46:43", "start_time": "46:28", "text": "That is a scheme by which, people in the villages, when they are desperately needing work, work is made available by the government and they get some amount per day that they work." }, { "end_time": "46:45", "start_time": "46:43", "text": "And, typically, this is hard work." }, { "end_time": "46:49", "start_time": "46:46", "text": "It's not something which is easy to do." }, { "end_time": "46:52", "start_time": "46:49", "text": "I mean, who wants to spend a day in the sun out there?" }, { "end_time": "47:00", "start_time": "46:52", "text": "And, but it puts, food on the table for them when they're in so this is what is called distressed, sort of." }, { "end_time": "47:02", "start_time": "47:00", "text": "It's a safety net for the distressed." }, { "end_time": "47:09", "start_time": "47:02", "text": "And, so what happens is that you see again and again when we have bad times." }, { "end_time": "47:14", "start_time": "47:09", "text": "Remember all those migrants in the cities going back to their villages during COVID." }, { "end_time": "47:22", "start_time": "47:14", "text": "You saw Narega spending go up tremendously because there were a lot of people who had gone back to the villages without work." }, { "end_time": "47:25", "start_time": "47:22", "text": "They didn't own land, but they were from the village." }, { "end_time": "47:31", "start_time": "47:25", "text": "And now they were doing this, you know, getting these, these this work from the government." }, { "end_time": "47:43", "start_time": "47:31", "text": "Now before, the this was a scheme of the UPA government, much criticized by the opposition then of which the current, NDA was was a big part." }, { "end_time": "47:52", "start_time": "47:44", "text": "But, of course, when they came into part, they realized this was a very effective way to provide support, in a way to the truly needed needy." }, { "end_time": "47:58", "start_time": "47:52", "text": "Because only the truly needy you won't have a middle class person coming there and doing their job in the hot sun." }, { "end_time": "47:59", "start_time": "47:58", "text": "And that's that's what happened." }, { "end_time": "48:02", "start_time": "47:59", "text": "It was a support, and so they continued it." }, { "end_time": "48:04", "start_time": "48:02", "text": "So this is an example of continuity." }, { "end_time": "48:15", "start_time": "48:05", "text": "An example of non continuity or changing is, over time, we were trying to integrate better with the world economy." }, { "end_time": "48:21", "start_time": "48:16", "text": "And we thought the way to integrate is to lower the taxes we put on imports." }, { "end_time": "48:23", "start_time": "48:22", "text": "Why is that important?" }, { "end_time": "48:27", "start_time": "48:23", "text": "Because a lot of what we produce and export is based on imports." }, { "end_time": "48:31", "start_time": "48:27", "text": "Today, for example, there's a big debate about electronic components." }, { "end_time": "48:48", "start_time": "48:32", "text": "The person who manufactures the cell phone here as puts it together basically says if you tax me on all the components that are coming in and I have to sell into the domestic market, I become unviable because you're putting tariffs on everything." }, { "end_time": "48:57", "start_time": "48:49", "text": "The component manufacturer in India who wants to start component manufacturing says if you don't put tariffs I'm uncompetitive from the beginning." }, { "end_time": "48:59", "start_time": "48:58", "text": "So who are you gonna benefit?" }, { "end_time": "49:04", "start_time": "48:59", "text": "The person who's making the cell phone or the person who's making the component?" }, { "end_time": "49:10", "start_time": "49:04", "text": "Now typically, what we've seen in other countries is you bring down the tariffs, it's gonna help both." }, { "end_time": "49:18", "start_time": "49:10", "text": "The component manufacturer has to compete, becomes more efficient, and the final producer who puts everything together also has to become more efficient." }, { "end_time": "49:24", "start_time": "49:19", "text": "So, that was the practice ever since liberalization in 1990." }, { "end_time": "49:27", "start_time": "49:24", "text": "We brought down tariffs to about 13% on average." }, { "end_time": "49:32", "start_time": "49:29", "text": "Since then we've taken up tariffs to about 18%." }, { "end_time": "49:40", "start_time": "49:32", "text": "And that's why you have this complaint going on between the component manufacturers and the key tariffs are too high." }, { "end_time": "49:42", "start_time": "49:40", "text": "It's just hard to manufacture in India." }, { "end_time": "49:46", "start_time": "49:43", "text": "That's what the final goods fellow is saying." }, { "end_time": "49:48", "start_time": "49:46", "text": "And the component fellow is saying, unless you put tariffs, I can't compete." }, { "end_time": "49:49", "start_time": "49:48", "text": "I can't produce." }, { "end_time": "49:52", "start_time": "49:50", "text": "So here's an example of way of discontinuity." }, { "end_time": "49:57", "start_time": "49:54", "text": "And and, you know, there there are these things across government." }, { "end_time": "50:00", "start_time": "49:57", "text": "What's the reason for the tariffs being increased?" }, { "end_time": "50:06", "start_time": "50:01", "text": "You know, this is an old view that somehow the only way India will be competitive." }, { "end_time": "50:10", "start_time": "50:06", "text": "It reflects a certain kind of dividends amongst our manufacturers." }, { "end_time": "50:15", "start_time": "50:11", "text": "The only way we can be compared is if is if we put tariffs, right?" }, { "end_time": "50:31", "start_time": "50:16", "text": "And it turns out in the nineties and the 2000, our manufacturers were really very confident and they were happy to see the tariffs come down because they also benefited when they were importing, some some things, from the low tariffs." }, { "end_time": "50:37", "start_time": "50:32", "text": "Somehow we have lost that sense of confidence in industry." }, { "end_time": "50:42", "start_time": "50:37", "text": "And, and, you know, so they're working with government to raise raise tariffs." }, { "end_time": "51:00", "start_time": "50:42", "text": "I don't think in the long run, this is beneficial because, once they put who's paying the tariff, it's all, Aam Aadmi who's paying higher prices for the goods that are imported only, so that, there's some protection for our own manufacturers and our manufacturers are making high costs." }, { "end_time": "51:11", "start_time": "51:00", "text": "We tried this in the 19 eighties, 19 seventies, 19 eighties, and we had a very high cost manufacturing sector, which didn't produce good stuff." }, { "end_time": "51:18", "start_time": "51:11", "text": "So if we go back to the side of the podcast, you spoke about how economic policy always has a practical side to it." }, { "end_time": "51:24", "start_time": "51:18", "text": "When you actually make it a law, then there's ways that human behavior works with this policy." }, { "end_time": "51:30", "start_time": "51:25", "text": "I believe that the only way to make efficient policy would be to actually study recent history." }, { "end_time": "51:36", "start_time": "51:30", "text": "So if your argument about raisinglowering tariffs is look at what happened in the 70s 80s." }, { "end_time": "51:40", "start_time": "51:36", "text": "Isn't that brought up in the rooms where economic policy is drafted?" }, { "end_time": "51:49", "start_time": "51:41", "text": "You know, it's interesting that I told you there's an additional element to it, which is your your science." }, { "end_time": "51:52", "start_time": "51:50", "text": "Do you have the science or do you have the art?" }, { "end_time": "51:53", "start_time": "51:53", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "51:59", "start_time": "51:54", "text": "In the rooms where economic policy is made, sometimes it's all about the art." }, { "end_time": "52:06", "start_time": "51:59", "text": "And the art is I don't understand the deep reasons for this, but, you know, surely it must be the case." }, { "end_time": "52:17", "start_time": "52:06", "text": "If I raise tariffs, if I increase the import duties, I'm creating some space for my own manufacturer that will create local jobs." }, { "end_time": "52:18", "start_time": "52:17", "text": "Isn't that a good thing?" }, { "end_time": "52:19", "start_time": "52:19", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "52:22", "start_time": "52:20", "text": "This kind of argument plays out." }, { "end_time": "52:24", "start_time": "52:22", "text": "It's very simple for everybody to understand." }, { "end_time": "52:29", "start_time": "52:25", "text": "It's good for the politician to say, local jobs." }, { "end_time": "52:30", "start_time": "52:29", "text": "I'm all for local jobs." }, { "end_time": "52:31", "start_time": "52:30", "text": "We need more jobs." }, { "end_time": "52:33", "start_time": "52:31", "text": "Jobs, jobs, jobs, biggest issue in India today." }, { "end_time": "52:43", "start_time": "52:34", "text": "And so they agree with the, and I've seen these arguments in, and as as chief economic adviser, I had to tell them why this was wrong." }, { "end_time": "52:47", "start_time": "52:43", "text": "But these are the arguments that come up into those, those closed rooms." }, { "end_time": "52:51", "start_time": "52:47", "text": "We should protect our industrialists and industrialists are all for it." }, { "end_time": "52:53", "start_time": "52:51", "text": "Now tell me what is wrong with it?" }, { "end_time": "52:55", "start_time": "52:53", "text": "Well, it's the second step." }, { "end_time": "53:08", "start_time": "52:56", "text": "If I actually produce this component at 20% higher price than the world, because I've got protection and I can afford to make a costly component." }, { "end_time": "53:15", "start_time": "53:09", "text": "And that's all my, other producers of the final, say, laptop can can buy." }, { "end_time": "53:21", "start_time": "53:15", "text": "Their laptop becomes 20% more expensive, and so they become uncompetitive with the rest of the world." }, { "end_time": "53:22", "start_time": "53:21", "text": "They can't export." }, { "end_time": "53:24", "start_time": "53:22", "text": "They can only sell into the domestic market." }, { "end_time": "53:27", "start_time": "53:24", "text": "They say, I need now 20% tariffs on laptop imports." }, { "end_time": "53:30", "start_time": "53:28", "text": "So that so the tariff spread." }, { "end_time": "53:32", "start_time": "53:30", "text": "And who pays the price?" }, { "end_time": "53:40", "start_time": "53:32", "text": "It is our consumer who says, now I have to pay 20% higher for laptops only to keep these manufacturers alive." }, { "end_time": "53:47", "start_time": "53:40", "text": "And what is most important is they don't actually grow because they're catering only to the domestic market." }, { "end_time": "53:50", "start_time": "53:47", "text": "They're not catering to the export market because they aren't competitive." }, { "end_time": "53:58", "start_time": "53:51", "text": "So you need to make these other arguments to see why it's not a good idea to keep raising tariffs to protect your people." }, { "end_time": "54:18", "start_time": "53:58", "text": "Another example we quote in the book, which is we raised tariffs on a very important input to polyester cloth, which it was raised because we have a big manufacturer who is very influential, who could push the government to raise the tariff on that input." }, { "end_time": "54:37", "start_time": "54:18", "text": "As a result, we are not able to compete in textiles because the input costs had gone up so much that, you know, we our cost of, of cloth, to the, you know, stitches to the is has gone up." }, { "end_time": "54:39", "start_time": "54:37", "text": "And so they're not uncompetitive with the rest of it." }, { "end_time": "54:41", "start_time": "54:39", "text": "This is a very labor intensive industry." }, { "end_time": "54:49", "start_time": "54:42", "text": "But because we raised tariffs to favor 1 producer, we have actually made this whole industry uncompetitive." }, { "end_time": "54:50", "start_time": "54:49", "text": "And this happens even today?" }, { "end_time": "54:52", "start_time": "54:50", "text": "This happens even today." }, { "end_time": "55:00", "start_time": "54:52", "text": "So effectively what I'm gaining from your answer, one layer deep, is that again human emotions as well as political agenda perhaps comes into play." }, { "end_time": "55:16", "start_time": "55:01", "text": "Well, I think you have to have a certain deep ideology that allowing more competition is going to make us more efficient in the longer run." }, { "end_time": "55:21", "start_time": "55:16", "text": "So if that is the mission statement, it will impact economic policy much better." }, { "end_time": "55:22", "start_time": "55:21", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "55:26", "start_time": "55:22", "text": "That's what we had since 1990 when we did the liberalization." }, { "end_time": "55:29", "start_time": "55:27", "text": "More competition is good." }, { "end_time": "55:30", "start_time": "55:29", "text": "Let's not reverse that." }, { "end_time": "55:35", "start_time": "55:31", "text": "Now, you know, the lessons from that over time get forgotten." }, { "end_time": "55:40", "start_time": "55:36", "text": "And if they're not repeated, you know, your point, we should learn from experience and keep repeating it." }, { "end_time": "55:57", "start_time": "55:40", "text": "If they're not repeated in the corridors of power, and if we do seat of the pants policy, and if we listen to the beneficiaries of such policies more than we listen to others, Aam Aadmi has no place in that that, room where these policies are made." }, { "end_time": "56:01", "start_time": "55:57", "text": "Then you get policies which don't necessarily benefit people." }, { "end_time": "56:01", "start_time": "56:01", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "56:04", "start_time": "56:02", "text": "How straightforward can I be with you?" }, { "end_time": "56:04", "start_time": "56:04", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "56:17", "start_time": "56:05", "text": "As the narrative in the public eye is that you left working with the Modi government because your opinions weren't heard." }, { "end_time": "56:19", "start_time": "56:18", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "56:21", "start_time": "56:19", "text": "I actually could do everything I needed to do." }, { "end_time": "56:30", "start_time": "56:22", "text": "One of the interesting issues is I had a very good working relationship both with the prime minister and the finance minister." }, { "end_time": "56:33", "start_time": "56:30", "text": "And, I told you about the bank cleanup." }, { "end_time": "56:39", "start_time": "56:34", "text": "I went to the finance minister and I said, look, we've identified such big levels of NPAs." }, { "end_time": "56:41", "start_time": "56:39", "text": "I'm not accusing you at all." }, { "end_time": "56:42", "start_time": "56:41", "text": "No, no, no." }, { "end_time": "56:47", "start_time": "56:42", "text": "I'm just saying that that was not the issue." }, { "end_time": "56:51", "start_time": "56:48", "text": "That we had a good working relationship." }, { "end_time": "56:55", "start_time": "56:51", "text": "Everything we wanted done, we managed to persuade the government." }, { "end_time": "56:57", "start_time": "56:55", "text": "As I said, there's a job of persuasion." }, { "end_time": "57:02", "start_time": "56:58", "text": "There's jitbit that always goes on, but you have to overlook that." }, { "end_time": "57:09", "start_time": "57:03", "text": "And so long as you have a good relationship with the people in power, you can get things done." }, { "end_time": "57:16", "start_time": "57:09", "text": "Was there a reason you didn't do too many media interactions back then versus you doing media interactions now?" }, { "end_time": "57:20", "start_time": "57:16", "text": "Look, I saw my job then as communicating policy." }, { "end_time": "57:23", "start_time": "57:21", "text": "Why are we doing what we're doing?" }, { "end_time": "57:32", "start_time": "57:23", "text": "So for example, I remember the I was, you know, trying to explain why, you know, lower inflation was a good thing." }, { "end_time": "57:35", "start_time": "57:32", "text": "Somebody was complaining, why are the interest rates?" }, { "end_time": "57:38", "start_time": "57:36", "text": "We had fixed deposit rates." }, { "end_time": "57:42", "start_time": "57:38", "text": "We were earning 9%, and now they've come down to 6%." }, { "end_time": "57:44", "start_time": "57:43", "text": "How can this be a good thing?" }, { "end_time": "57:48", "start_time": "57:44", "text": "And I told them there's 6% because inflation has come down so much." }, { "end_time": "57:52", "start_time": "57:48", "text": "And actually you're making money, more money on your deposits than you were making earlier." }, { "end_time": "57:56", "start_time": "57:53", "text": "And I gave an example which became known as Dosa Economics." }, { "end_time": "58:03", "start_time": "57:56", "text": "How they could afford more Dosa's because interest rates were in real terms." }, { "end_time": "58:08", "start_time": "58:03", "text": "That is when you subtract inflation from the interest rate they were getting, were actually higher." }, { "end_time": "58:16", "start_time": "58:08", "text": "And so there is a job of communicating why the policy mix that you're following makes sense." }, { "end_time": "58:20", "start_time": "58:16", "text": "And I think that that was something I did a lot." }, { "end_time": "58:26", "start_time": "58:21", "text": "You know, sometimes, in a platform like this, you also want to caution." }, { "end_time": "58:32", "start_time": "58:28", "text": "The the, Sometimes there's a sense of triumphalism." }, { "end_time": "58:37", "start_time": "58:35", "text": "There's nothing that's going badly." }, { "end_time": "58:38", "start_time": "58:37", "text": "We need, you know, we're fine." }, { "end_time": "58:45", "start_time": "58:39", "text": "And, and I tried to caution there also, you know, let's, let's be careful." }, { "end_time": "58:51", "start_time": "58:45", "text": "It's when we start feeling nothing can go wrong, that things start going wrong." }, { "end_time": "58:56", "start_time": "58:51", "text": "You know, Andy Grove of Intel once had a phrase, only the paranoid survive." }, { "end_time": "58:58", "start_time": "58:57", "text": "That's so true." }, { "end_time": "58:58", "start_time": "58:58", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "59:05", "start_time": "58:58", "text": "That's certainly true in politics, but I think it's absolutely true from national policy also." }, { "end_time": "59:14", "start_time": "59:05", "text": "As soon as you think there is nothing that can go wrong, you stop adjusting for the possibilities and they start happening." }, { "end_time": "59:24", "start_time": "59:14", "text": "So that was also important to warn about the things that could go wrong and to make sure that we were continuously sort of worried about covering for those." }, { "end_time": "59:26", "start_time": "59:24", "text": "Do you think you were a disliked guy?" }, { "end_time": "59:27", "start_time": "59:27", "text": "I don't think so." }, { "end_time": "59:34", "start_time": "59:27", "text": "I think what I hear every time, of course, these are only people who, you know, this is a selected sample." }, { "end_time": "59:37", "start_time": "59:35", "text": "Say, I entered economics only because of you." }, { "end_time": "59:41", "start_time": "59:38", "text": "So that's that's that's nice nice feeling." }, { "end_time": "59:47", "start_time": "59:41", "text": "I found the press was looking for all the, you know, downside of the balance, never talking about the upside." }, { "end_time": "59:56", "start_time": "59:49", "text": "And and I don't know whether that was by design or whether they were just desperate to find some counter voices." }, { "end_time": "59:59", "start_time": "59:57", "text": "And so they amplified that." }, { "end_time": "1:00:09", "start_time": "59:59", "text": "And I was, you know, sometimes when I give a speech and I read what what was going out on on media on that speech, I said, this is not the speech I gave." }, { "end_time": "1:00:11", "start_time": "1:00:09", "text": "Did anybody actually read the speech?" }, { "end_time": "1:00:13", "start_time": "1:00:12", "text": "Because they picked up those bits." }, { "end_time": "1:00:17", "start_time": "1:00:14", "text": "So I I think there's a little bit of of that that goes on." }, { "end_time": "1:00:36", "start_time": "1:00:19", "text": "You know, whether it is the building up, like a Narad, the dissension sells more papers, or gets more, sort of, eyeballs, or or whether there was an agenda there." }, { "end_time": "1:00:37", "start_time": "1:00:37", "text": "I I don't know." }, { "end_time": "1:00:41", "start_time": "1:00:37", "text": "But, but that that that was the the problem." }, { "end_time": "1:00:45", "start_time": "1:00:41", "text": "Balanced speeches got taken completely out of context." }, { "end_time": "1:00:45", "start_time": "1:00:45", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:00:47", "start_time": "1:00:45", "text": "I have a few things to say." }, { "end_time": "1:00:53", "start_time": "1:00:47", "text": "Again, going back to my pre podcast practice of talking to people for the episode." }, { "end_time": "1:00:55", "start_time": "1:00:53", "text": "So of course, I'll talk to a few people who understand economics." }, { "end_time": "1:01:04", "start_time": "1:00:56", "text": "I'll definitely always speak to extreme right and extreme left people to just draw out my guest's image in their head." }, { "end_time": "1:01:08", "start_time": "1:01:05", "text": "As I said earlier, everyone respected you." }, { "end_time": "1:01:12", "start_time": "1:01:08", "text": "The left people said that, Oh, see people like Doctor." }, { "end_time": "1:01:16", "start_time": "1:01:12", "text": "RRR are now ostracized from the government, sent away." }, { "end_time": "1:01:18", "start_time": "1:01:16", "text": "We need more people like Dun Bao." }, { "end_time": "1:01:21", "start_time": "1:01:18", "text": "The people in the extreme right, and I'm giving you both the perspectives." }, { "end_time": "1:01:25", "start_time": "1:01:22", "text": "Extreme right said that, Oh, he clearly doesn't like the Modi government." }, { "end_time": "1:01:31", "start_time": "1:01:25", "text": "And, you know, someone even said that there's a conspiracy theory attached to your name that you're working with the deep state." }, { "end_time": "1:01:35", "start_time": "1:01:32", "text": "And the deep state is supposedly the body that runs America." }, { "end_time": "1:01:37", "start_time": "1:01:35", "text": "As in the front is the present." }, { "end_time": "1:01:39", "start_time": "1:01:37", "text": "All this is conspiracy theory territory." }, { "end_time": "1:01:41", "start_time": "1:01:39", "text": "So they said that you are funded by the deep state." }, { "end_time": "1:01:43", "start_time": "1:01:41", "text": "There are accusations like this." }, { "end_time": "1:01:49", "start_time": "1:01:43", "text": "And that got me thinking that wow media has really cooked up some stories on both sides." }, { "end_time": "1:01:54", "start_time": "1:01:49", "text": "So now I'll pass the ball to you and I'll let you clear all these misconceptions." }, { "end_time": "1:02:05", "start_time": "1:01:54", "text": "Well, look, you know, first, when out of government, I have been critical regardless of the government in power because that's my job." }, { "end_time": "1:02:08", "start_time": "1:02:06", "text": "I mean, we have enough people praising." }, { "end_time": "1:02:12", "start_time": "1:02:08", "text": "And of course, you do offer some this is what is going well." }, { "end_time": "1:02:22", "start_time": "1:02:12", "text": "I was, before I became chief economic adviser in the Manmohan Singh government, I was the I was an adviser to doctor Manmohan Singh." }, { "end_time": "1:02:35", "start_time": "1:02:23", "text": "And I have a speech in, you know, a bunch of speeches talking about some of the concerns with cronyism, etcetera, that were building up in India." }, { "end_time": "1:02:46", "start_time": "1:02:36", "text": "And, you know, I remember a panel where, you know, 4 of the participants, this was celebrating, so many years since the liberalization." }, { "end_time": "1:02:56", "start_time": "1:02:47", "text": "4 of the participants, Isher Aluwalia, me, TN Nainan, of the 4th, the 4th was doctor Subbara, who was the RBI governor." }, { "end_time": "1:02:58", "start_time": "1:02:57", "text": "3 criticized the government deeply." }, { "end_time": "1:03:04", "start_time": "1:02:59", "text": "There was a 5th participant, which was doctor Manmohan Singh, who was the prime minister." }, { "end_time": "1:03:11", "start_time": "1:03:05", "text": "And he listened, and he said, not for me to say anything, I have to absorb this criticism and then act." }, { "end_time": "1:03:12", "start_time": "1:03:11", "text": "And he acted accordingly." }, { "end_time": "1:03:22", "start_time": "1:03:13", "text": "But the point is that anybody who wants just undiluted praise will go off track." }, { "end_time": "1:03:24", "start_time": "1:03:22", "text": "You know, the emperor's new clothes." }, { "end_time": "1:03:24", "start_time": "1:03:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:03:28", "start_time": "1:03:24", "text": "Nobody wants to point out that the emperor has no clothes in this matter or that matter." }, { "end_time": "1:03:35", "start_time": "1:03:29", "text": "And you make mistakes, huge mistakes which eventually I mean nobody has all the right answers." }, { "end_time": "1:03:47", "start_time": "1:03:35", "text": "If you suppress criticism, you take advice only from a narrow quatary and you only listen to them and you kill all all, sort of adverse information, adverse data." }, { "end_time": "1:03:53", "start_time": "1:03:48", "text": "You get the pop up politics of the Soviet Union and see where that ended up." }, { "end_time": "1:04:00", "start_time": "1:03:54", "text": "So it is important for independent outsiders to offer their concerns." }, { "end_time": "1:04:07", "start_time": "1:04:02", "text": "Of course, you know, they can offer, you know, both sides, but everybody's offering one side." }, { "end_time": "1:04:13", "start_time": "1:04:08", "text": "So when you offer the downside, you look like a die died in the world critic." }, { "end_time": "1:04:18", "start_time": "1:04:13", "text": "I've already told you I love the, fact that we've operationalized direct benefits." }, { "end_time": "1:04:25", "start_time": "1:04:18", "text": "I will tell you I like the fact that we're building out an infrastructure in ways we never did before." }, { "end_time": "1:04:26", "start_time": "1:04:25", "text": "These are all good things." }, { "end_time": "1:04:37", "start_time": "1:04:26", "text": "But there are sites that you will criticize, including the fact that you don't take criticism, which is a problem, which is why you will go off track in many significant ways." }, { "end_time": "1:04:47", "start_time": "1:04:38", "text": "Being a podcaster, people want the other cabinet ministers to speak up, and people would actually enjoy a little bit of self criticism, a little bit of acknowledging their own mistakes." }, { "end_time": "1:05:03", "start_time": "1:04:48", "text": "I think that that is important because the one narrative pushes people like me who want a fair discussion to focus more on the downside because there's so much on only the upside." }, { "end_time": "1:05:05", "start_time": "1:05:03", "text": "Everything's going well." }, { "end_time": "1:05:09", "start_time": "1:05:05", "text": "And I think the the issue of 1 person is is a very important issue." }, { "end_time": "1:05:15", "start_time": "1:05:09", "text": "Actually, there's a very interesting, quote from doctor Ambedkar, the framer of the constitution." }, { "end_time": "1:05:35", "start_time": "1:05:16", "text": "Where he said, bhakti in religion is a very good thing, but we shouldn't transfer bhakti to politics because that kind of devotion to 1 person in politics is detrimental to the longer run sort of stability of the country." }, { "end_time": "1:05:37", "start_time": "1:05:35", "text": "In fact, he said that leads to dictatorship." }, { "end_time": "1:05:42", "start_time": "1:05:38", "text": "And I think that is something that, you know, whether it was Mrs." }, { "end_time": "1:05:49", "start_time": "1:05:42", "text": "Indira Gandhi or, you know, we have to caution against that kind of, sort of focus." }, { "end_time": "1:05:53", "start_time": "1:05:49", "text": "I mean, you know, where is the rest of the cabinet?" }, { "end_time": "1:06:01", "start_time": "1:05:54", "text": "Why don't we have, you know, a sense that, you know, mister Gudhgari is doing a fantastic job on infrastructure." }, { "end_time": "1:06:08", "start_time": "1:06:02", "text": "Why aren't more sort of achievements of cabinet ministers highlighted?" }, { "end_time": "1:06:14", "start_time": "1:06:08", "text": "Why is it always, and, you know, to some extent it's also the power of the prime minister's office." }, { "end_time": "1:06:15", "start_time": "1:06:14", "text": "I've said this many times." }, { "end_time": "1:06:25", "start_time": "1:06:16", "text": "Having an overly powerful prime minister India cannot be governed from a very, very narrow center, especially if that center doesn't try and build consensus." }, { "end_time": "1:06:27", "start_time": "1:06:26", "text": "We saw what happened to the farm laws." }, { "end_time": "1:06:39", "start_time": "1:06:28", "text": "So what we talk about in this book that we put together, which I think is an important point about what we feel about what's going forward." }, { "end_time": "1:06:44", "start_time": "1:06:39", "text": "That we need to rethink governance also at the same time as we are rethinking economics." }, { "end_time": "1:06:46", "start_time": "1:06:45", "text": "Because the 2 go together." }, { "end_time": "1:06:53", "start_time": "1:06:46", "text": "If we want to be successful in the 21st century, we need a governance for the 21st century." }, { "end_time": "1:06:58", "start_time": "1:06:53", "text": "We have a governance for maybe the 20th century, maybe earlier." }, { "end_time": "1:07:02", "start_time": "1:06:59", "text": "This is something I loved about Milindeura who was on the show." }, { "end_time": "1:07:05", "start_time": "1:07:03", "text": "He had some incredible points that he made." }, { "end_time": "1:07:16", "start_time": "1:07:05", "text": "When I asked him what he changed about governance in general, he said I changed the whole system honestly, because the system is built for 1947 and we're still following it." }, { "end_time": "1:07:17", "start_time": "1:07:16", "text": "It has layers." }, { "end_time": "1:07:18", "start_time": "1:07:17", "text": "It doesn't incorporate technology." }, { "end_time": "1:07:20", "start_time": "1:07:19", "text": "Work doesn't move fast." }, { "end_time": "1:07:21", "start_time": "1:07:20", "text": "Policy doesn't move fast." }, { "end_time": "1:07:22", "start_time": "1:07:21", "text": "So he'd probably change the whole system." }, { "end_time": "1:07:25", "start_time": "1:07:23", "text": "Do you agree with that?" }, { "end_time": "1:07:26", "start_time": "1:07:25", "text": "That's my first question to you." }, { "end_time": "1:07:31", "start_time": "1:07:26", "text": "Well, I I would I would not start by saying we need to change the constitution." }, { "end_time": "1:07:38", "start_time": "1:07:33", "text": "My sense is when you open things up too much, then you can get get the wrong sort of change." }, { "end_time": "1:07:44", "start_time": "1:07:39", "text": "We don't want to move from a democracy to a more authoritarian government by changing the constitution." }, { "end_time": "1:07:46", "start_time": "1:07:44", "text": "In fact, what I think is we need far more democracy." }, { "end_time": "1:07:54", "start_time": "1:07:47", "text": "So for example, we talked earlier, how do you get politicians to focus on schools, on healthcare?" }, { "end_time": "1:07:59", "start_time": "1:07:55", "text": "And I think one of the important changes that we talk about in the book is decentralization." }, { "end_time": "1:08:05", "start_time": "1:08:01", "text": "How do you get the politician to focus?" }, { "end_time": "1:08:08", "start_time": "1:08:06", "text": "It has to be the primary responsibility of the politician." }, { "end_time": "1:08:13", "start_time": "1:08:10", "text": "The politician sitting in Lucknow doesn't care about what happens in the village." }, { "end_time": "1:08:17", "start_time": "1:08:14", "text": "The Sarpanch in the village cares about what happens in the village." }, { "end_time": "1:08:24", "start_time": "1:08:17", "text": "Supposing the Sarpanch was in charge of the local school rather than the minister sitting in Lucknow." }, { "end_time": "1:08:37", "start_time": "1:08:26", "text": "Then if the school wasn't, you know, if the teacher wasn't showing up, if the school wasn't repainted, if it was falling apart, if the children didn't get the midday meal, Sarpansh would hear it very quickly." }, { "end_time": "1:08:41", "start_time": "1:08:38", "text": "And the Sarpansh would not get reelected in the next, election." }, { "end_time": "1:08:49", "start_time": "1:08:42", "text": "That is an immediate empowerment of the people, immediate cause and effect, forces the serpent to do what the people need." }, { "end_time": "1:08:54", "start_time": "1:08:49", "text": "And one of the biggest things people will tell you again and again we need is a good school for our children." }, { "end_time": "1:08:57", "start_time": "1:08:55", "text": "So decentralization would make a difference." }, { "end_time": "1:09:03", "start_time": "1:08:57", "text": "Now, to your point, the politics of 1947." }, { "end_time": "1:09:08", "start_time": "1:09:04", "text": "In 1947, what we wanted was to keep the country together." }, { "end_time": "1:09:11", "start_time": "1:09:08", "text": "Too many forces you know, splitting the country." }, { "end_time": "1:09:13", "start_time": "1:09:11", "text": "After all, we had just been through partition." }, { "end_time": "1:09:23", "start_time": "1:09:14", "text": "Getting the princely states to agree to join, Hyderabad was still not part, Pondicherry, Goa, these all had to be integrated." }, { "end_time": "1:09:28", "start_time": "1:09:24", "text": "So in that, what we wanted was a strong central government." }, { "end_time": "1:09:39", "start_time": "1:09:29", "text": "And, you know, we had states, but there was a partition of there was a division of labor between the states and the central government, but there was no need for a third level." }, { "end_time": "1:09:44", "start_time": "1:09:39", "text": "And Ambedkar was very much against the 3rd level because he said the village is a den of inequity." }, { "end_time": "1:09:46", "start_time": "1:09:44", "text": "All the social ills come there." }, { "end_time": "1:09:49", "start_time": "1:09:47", "text": "Of course, time has passed." }, { "end_time": "1:09:57", "start_time": "1:09:50", "text": "And today what happens is that our, you know, state of Uttar Pradesh is the 5th largest country in the world." }, { "end_time": "1:09:58", "start_time": "1:09:57", "text": "It's too big." }, { "end_time": "1:10:01", "start_time": "1:09:58", "text": "India cannot be governed from the PMO in Delhi." }, { "end_time": "1:10:07", "start_time": "1:10:01", "text": "It cannot be governed from the chief minister's, quothree in the state capital." }, { "end_time": "1:10:11", "start_time": "1:10:07", "text": "It has to be much more decentralized for people to get what they need." }, { "end_time": "1:10:15", "start_time": "1:10:12", "text": "And that is why I think we need that kind of governance reform." }, { "end_time": "1:10:17", "start_time": "1:10:15", "text": "That's not about changing the constitution." }, { "end_time": "1:10:21", "start_time": "1:10:18", "text": "It's about Grassroot level governance." }, { "end_time": "1:10:21", "start_time": "1:10:21", "text": "Grassroot." }, { "end_time": "1:10:27", "start_time": "1:10:21", "text": "We have a 3rd tier of government, which has been empowered by the amendments to the constitution in the 19 nineties." }, { "end_time": "1:10:31", "start_time": "1:10:28", "text": "What we need is to make it operational because the states aren't giving funding." }, { "end_time": "1:10:38", "start_time": "1:10:32", "text": "They aren't giving people, they aren't giving powers to the municipalities and to the villages." }, { "end_time": "1:10:41", "start_time": "1:10:38", "text": "We need that level of transition to take place." }, { "end_time": "1:10:45", "start_time": "1:10:41", "text": "Otherwise, everybody wants to keep power at their level and not let any go down." }, { "end_time": "1:10:54", "start_time": "1:10:45", "text": "You had highlighted demonetization as one of the mistakes of the current government, probably the biggest economic mistake." }, { "end_time": "1:10:56", "start_time": "1:10:54", "text": "And you broke it down." }, { "end_time": "1:11:04", "start_time": "1:10:56", "text": "I think the consensus of that answer was that the intention behind demonetization was to reduce the usage of black money, etc." }, { "end_time": "1:11:10", "start_time": "1:11:04", "text": "And we didn't really achieve that mission statement." }, { "end_time": "1:11:12", "start_time": "1:11:11", "text": "What about 2024?" }, { "end_time": "1:11:15", "start_time": "1:11:13", "text": "And maybe the last 4 years generally." }, { "end_time": "1:11:27", "start_time": "1:11:16", "text": "You've constantly brought up the book and what I'm sensing is that the book is a way for you to express everything you wanted to say for years and you finally penned it down." }, { "end_time": "1:11:33", "start_time": "1:11:27", "text": "But I also give you this platform, because I don't know how news media asks you questions like this." }, { "end_time": "1:11:36", "start_time": "1:11:33", "text": "But this is going to be watched by millions of people." }, { "end_time": "1:11:45", "start_time": "1:11:37", "text": "And just open up your heart, talk about what actually needs to be highlighted in terms of criticism of the current Indian government." }, { "end_time": "1:11:52", "start_time": "1:11:45", "text": "So I actually want to offer a positive message, which is to beat a model, you have to offer a model." }, { "end_time": "1:11:59", "start_time": "1:11:54", "text": "The establishment has a very clear model of what they're trying to do." }, { "end_time": "1:12:09", "start_time": "1:11:59", "text": "And it's focused you know, certainly on some economics, but also much on, you know, giving people a greater sense of confidence, well-being, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "1:12:30", "start_time": "1:12:10", "text": "And and what I want to say is, you know, there are other ways of giving people confidence, which doesn't involve pressing down on one community while elevating or, you know, making another community feel strong, treating everybody equally, including everybody in the growth process." }, { "end_time": "1:12:44", "start_time": "1:12:31", "text": "But to do that, we have to focus on those who are being left behind, give them more capabilities, give them more access to schooling, to, health care, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "1:12:56", "start_time": "1:12:45", "text": "Just even in Delhi, which is full of hospitals, some, poor person navigating the health care system, of course, has improved a lot today because of the Muhala clinic, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "1:12:59", "start_time": "1:12:56", "text": "But, you know, 5, 10 years back was miserable." }, { "end_time": "1:13:02", "start_time": "1:12:59", "text": "And of course, in many other areas, it's still very, very bad." }, { "end_time": "1:13:05", "start_time": "1:13:03", "text": "So that's, that's one part of it." }, { "end_time": "1:13:07", "start_time": "1:13:05", "text": "But we also have to have ambition." }, { "end_time": "1:13:13", "start_time": "1:13:08", "text": "We have to have ambition to grow really fast to become a, you know, strong country." }, { "end_time": "1:13:21", "start_time": "1:13:13", "text": "So then we can spread our values, but our values have to be those, you know, our historical values of tolerance, of respect." }, { "end_time": "1:13:23", "start_time": "1:13:21", "text": "We can be a different superpower." }, { "end_time": "1:13:28", "start_time": "1:13:23", "text": "We don't have to be a superpower which suppresses others like the current superpowers that we have." }, { "end_time": "1:13:29", "start_time": "1:13:28", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:13:30", "start_time": "1:13:29", "text": "So how do we do that?" }, { "end_time": "1:13:39", "start_time": "1:13:30", "text": "How do we go with our values to the world and say, we want to embrace you in brotherhood, but we also want to be a really important country." }, { "end_time": "1:13:43", "start_time": "1:13:39", "text": "And there we're saying, look, we can build on our strengths." }, { "end_time": "1:13:49", "start_time": "1:13:43", "text": "And there is actually a path which is opening up, which didn't used to exist earlier." }, { "end_time": "1:13:58", "start_time": "1:13:49", "text": "A path which is based on, you know, intellectual property creation, on ideas, on creativity, on patents." }, { "end_time": "1:14:09", "start_time": "1:13:59", "text": "These are the things that flourish in a society which is always debating, which is talking to each other, engaging each other, producing new ideas." }, { "end_time": "1:14:14", "start_time": "1:14:10", "text": "Let us win that battle because that's where the battle is being fought today." }, { "end_time": "1:14:21", "start_time": "1:14:14", "text": "You know, when you talk about AI, robotics, etcetera, you're talking about the battle for new ideas." }, { "end_time": "1:14:27", "start_time": "1:14:21", "text": "And India has to win, but not win, but at least be a big part of that that battle." }, { "end_time": "1:14:38", "start_time": "1:14:28", "text": "So we ask, where are the Indian companies with great products like Nvidia, Boeing, you know, Tesla." }, { "end_time": "1:14:40", "start_time": "1:14:38", "text": "We don't have those products." }, { "end_time": "1:14:42", "start_time": "1:14:40", "text": "We need to create those products." }, { "end_time": "1:14:45", "start_time": "1:14:42", "text": "Even this industries where we are successful, pharmaceuticals." }, { "end_time": "1:14:50", "start_time": "1:14:46", "text": "We do generic products, which is imitating products of others." }, { "end_time": "1:14:51", "start_time": "1:14:50", "text": "We ask in the book, I talked to Doctor." }, { "end_time": "1:14:59", "start_time": "1:14:51", "text": "Youssef Hamid, great entrepreneur, built Cipla up, I asked him, why aren't you producing new drugs?" }, { "end_time": "1:15:10", "start_time": "1:15:00", "text": "The problem is that in the west, big universities create the intellectual property, they innovate the drug, and then they give it to the pharmaceutical firm which commercializes it." }, { "end_time": "1:15:12", "start_time": "1:15:10", "text": "In India, I don't see that." }, { "end_time": "1:15:16", "start_time": "1:15:13", "text": "If I am to invest in original r and d, it's too expensive for me." }, { "end_time": "1:15:18", "start_time": "1:15:16", "text": "Where am I going to do that?" }, { "end_time": "1:15:22", "start_time": "1:15:19", "text": "We need to make it possible for the Ciplas to create new drugs." }, { "end_time": "1:15:26", "start_time": "1:15:22", "text": "And for that, we have to, create very strong universities." }, { "end_time": "1:15:28", "start_time": "1:15:26", "text": "We don't have one university in the top hundred." }, { "end_time": "1:15:32", "start_time": "1:15:29", "text": "If we are to become a strong power, we need many more." }, { "end_time": "1:15:39", "start_time": "1:15:32", "text": "So we need to build at the very top, the elite, the strong universities, the strong firms." }, { "end_time": "1:15:43", "start_time": "1:15:39", "text": "We need to get the Nvidia's, the Apple's, to be Indian companies." }, { "end_time": "1:15:47", "start_time": "1:15:44", "text": "And we need to elevate at the bottom because you can't have a bifurcation." }, { "end_time": "1:15:53", "start_time": "1:15:48", "text": "For too long we've had a bifurcation, the top moving away from the bottom, bottom being left behind." }, { "end_time": "1:15:56", "start_time": "1:15:53", "text": "We need people who are poor to also be elevated." }, { "end_time": "1:15:58", "start_time": "1:15:56", "text": "And that means focus on the fundamentals." }, { "end_time": "1:16:03", "start_time": "1:15:59", "text": "The ultimate problem with policy always is it's too short term." }, { "end_time": "1:16:05", "start_time": "1:16:04", "text": "Some element has to be short term." }, { "end_time": "1:16:08", "start_time": "1:16:05", "text": "Today, the biggest short term issue is jobs." }, { "end_time": "1:16:11", "start_time": "1:16:08", "text": "We need a short term plan to create many more jobs." }, { "end_time": "1:16:16", "start_time": "1:16:11", "text": "If you talk about failings, this has been the most important failing over the last 15 years." }, { "end_time": "1:16:17", "start_time": "1:16:17", "text": "Not enough jobs." }, { "end_time": "1:16:18", "start_time": "1:16:17", "text": "Not enough jobs." }, { "end_time": "1:16:19", "start_time": "1:16:18", "text": "And you can see this." }, { "end_time": "1:16:25", "start_time": "1:16:19", "text": "The number of applicants for IS jobs tripled because there are no other jobs available." }, { "end_time": "1:16:33", "start_time": "1:16:26", "text": "Even though there are only, you know, maybe a 1000 civil service positions, we've got 11 lakhs applying for those 1,000 positions." }, { "end_time": "1:16:37", "start_time": "1:16:34", "text": "Railway jobs, 19,000,000 applying for 60,000 jobs." }, { "end_time": "1:16:41", "start_time": "1:16:38", "text": "You see civil engineers working as waiters." }, { "end_time": "1:16:43", "start_time": "1:16:42", "text": "Why is there this?" }, { "end_time": "1:16:48", "start_time": "1:16:43", "text": "Because there are not enough jobs, but also people aren't well trained for the job." }, { "end_time": "1:16:51", "start_time": "1:16:48", "text": "A lot of manufacturers say, you know, I can't find workers." }, { "end_time": "1:16:55", "start_time": "1:16:52", "text": "1,400,000,000 people and you can't find workers?" }, { "end_time": "1:16:55", "start_time": "1:16:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:16:57", "start_time": "1:16:55", "text": "Because nobody's well trained." }, { "end_time": "1:17:00", "start_time": "1:16:57", "text": "So we need to upscale people much more." }, { "end_time": "1:17:02", "start_time": "1:17:00", "text": "That has to be an immediate focus." }, { "end_time": "1:17:05", "start_time": "1:17:02", "text": "In other words, what we're saying is there's a path forward." }, { "end_time": "1:17:07", "start_time": "1:17:05", "text": "It requires a lot of work." }, { "end_time": "1:17:11", "start_time": "1:17:08", "text": "It ultimately implies we focus on the brains of Indians." }, { "end_time": "1:17:25", "start_time": "1:17:12", "text": "It's the brains that will make us truly I have seen and we give an example in the book of people going from poverty to wealthy in 1 generation simply because of education." }, { "end_time": "1:17:37", "start_time": "1:17:25", "text": "So for example, this fellow Mustafa in the book, father's a laborer, picking up ginger root, and Mustafa goes to school, fails in 6th grade." }, { "end_time": "1:17:39", "start_time": "1:17:37", "text": "This is the typical problem for many of our kids." }, { "end_time": "1:17:42", "start_time": "1:17:39", "text": "They enter school, they aren't able to keep up, they fail out." }, { "end_time": "1:17:44", "start_time": "1:17:42", "text": "Drop out rates are too high." }, { "end_time": "1:17:49", "start_time": "1:17:45", "text": "He fails, his teacher comes, pulls him back from the farm and says, don't don't stay on the farm." }, { "end_time": "1:17:50", "start_time": "1:17:49", "text": "Come back to school." }, { "end_time": "1:17:51", "start_time": "1:17:50", "text": "He goes back to school." }, { "end_time": "1:17:53", "start_time": "1:17:51", "text": "All his friends laugh at him." }, { "end_time": "1:17:56", "start_time": "1:17:55", "text": "Who are you?" }, { "end_time": "1:17:57", "start_time": "1:17:56", "text": "I mean, you failed." }, { "end_time": "1:18:02", "start_time": "1:17:58", "text": "And his teacher says, be be be calm." }, { "end_time": "1:18:04", "start_time": "1:18:02", "text": "Focus on one thing you can do well." }, { "end_time": "1:18:13", "start_time": "1:18:04", "text": "He studies, studies, does well in math, tops the class, suddenly gets the admiration of the students, then tops school, goes to NIT." }, { "end_time": "1:18:16", "start_time": "1:18:14", "text": "You know, that's the beauty of the system." }, { "end_time": "1:18:31", "start_time": "1:18:16", "text": "You can actually, there are public institutions which are cheap you can go to, becomes an engineer, comes back to IIM Bangalore, wants to start a enterprise, starts us starts 1, making Italy better, Italy Mau." }, { "end_time": "1:18:36", "start_time": "1:18:31", "text": "And, sells it widely, and now runs a firm with 2,500 people." }, { "end_time": "1:18:39", "start_time": "1:18:36", "text": "He tries to employ people like him." }, { "end_time": "1:18:41", "start_time": "1:18:39", "text": "He says, I need to give others a chance." }, { "end_time": "1:18:44", "start_time": "1:18:41", "text": "That's the entrepreneurship which can happen in 1 generation." }, { "end_time": "1:18:50", "start_time": "1:18:45", "text": "Laborer's son becomes a wealthy man, but is giving back." }, { "end_time": "1:18:53", "start_time": "1:18:50", "text": "And we can get so many entrepreneurs." }, { "end_time": "1:18:57", "start_time": "1:18:53", "text": "We can push so many people out of poverty if we focus on the right things." }, { "end_time": "1:19:03", "start_time": "1:18:58", "text": "And what we are saying is there is a lack of focus which we need to remedy today." }, { "end_time": "1:19:09", "start_time": "1:19:03", "text": "Today, we are more interested in getting some chip manufacturer to come and pay $10,000,000,000 to get them in." }, { "end_time": "1:19:12", "start_time": "1:19:09", "text": "Today we're paying $2,000,000,000 to get Micron into Gujarat." }, { "end_time": "1:19:14", "start_time": "1:19:12", "text": "For what, 5,000 jobs." }, { "end_time": "1:19:15", "start_time": "1:19:14", "text": "That's a mismatch." }, { "end_time": "1:19:18", "start_time": "1:19:15", "text": "You told me earlier, what is economics about?" }, { "end_time": "1:19:21", "start_time": "1:19:18", "text": "Trying to find the right use of resources." }, { "end_time": "1:19:26", "start_time": "1:19:22", "text": "$2,000,000,000 to get somebody to assemble chips in India is a waste of resources." }, { "end_time": "1:19:35", "start_time": "1:19:28", "text": "$2,000,000,000 spent in improving the quality of colleges, so that the students coming out from those colleges get a good job." }, { "end_time": "1:19:47", "start_time": "1:19:36", "text": "Getting many more good teachers into the colleges, getting much more sort of apprenticeships so that these kids actually do something that is useful for industry." }, { "end_time": "1:19:50", "start_time": "1:19:48", "text": "All that would be a much better spending." }, { "end_time": "1:19:54", "start_time": "1:19:51", "text": "And that would enable us to get many more jobs." }, { "end_time": "1:19:58", "start_time": "1:19:55", "text": "So all in all, more focus should be given on jobs." }, { "end_time": "1:20:10", "start_time": "1:19:58", "text": "I'd also argue that in order to create more jobs, I think what you're trying to say is more focus needs to be given to entrepreneurial thinking, which again, the extreme right as well as the current government would say that they are already doing." }, { "end_time": "1:20:17", "start_time": "1:20:11", "text": "I'm sure if I relay all these points to anyone in the current government or associated with the current government, they would say." }, { "end_time": "1:20:18", "start_time": "1:20:18", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:20:19", "start_time": "1:20:18", "text": "What they're not doing." }, { "end_time": "1:20:21", "start_time": "1:20:20", "text": "So so two things." }, { "end_time": "1:20:25", "start_time": "1:20:22", "text": "What they're not doing is focusing on the other part of the fundamental." }, { "end_time": "1:20:37", "start_time": "1:20:26", "text": "Creating a worker that is much more employable or creating the entrepreneur from the grass root, which means much more focus on education, much more focus on healthcare." }, { "end_time": "1:20:40", "start_time": "1:20:37", "text": "Let me give you an example of where that attention hasn't been paid." }, { "end_time": "1:20:43", "start_time": "1:20:41", "text": "What happened during the pandemic?" }, { "end_time": "1:20:45", "start_time": "1:20:43", "text": "A lot of children were out of school." }, { "end_time": "1:20:49", "start_time": "1:20:46", "text": "A lot of these children basically have lost learning." }, { "end_time": "1:20:55", "start_time": "1:20:50", "text": "If, there's a report called the ASSA report, which measures how much children learn." }, { "end_time": "1:21:02", "start_time": "1:20:56", "text": "By that report, we are back to 2012 levels in terms of learning in the schools." }, { "end_time": "1:21:03", "start_time": "1:21:02", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:21:06", "start_time": "1:21:03", "text": "In some, according to some metrics." }, { "end_time": "1:21:13", "start_time": "1:21:06", "text": "That is a worrisome feature because if you're gonna compete in the 21st century, you better have educated workers." }, { "end_time": "1:21:18", "start_time": "1:21:14", "text": "Not only did we not have adequate for them, it's gone worse in this pandemic cohort." }, { "end_time": "1:21:26", "start_time": "1:21:19", "text": "What that requires is a massive, massive effort to uplift the kids already in school." }, { "end_time": "1:21:27", "start_time": "1:21:26", "text": "That requires spending." }, { "end_time": "1:21:29", "start_time": "1:21:27", "text": "Some states are doing it." }, { "end_time": "1:21:33", "start_time": "1:21:29", "text": "A lot of states are not, in especially the poorest states." }, { "end_time": "1:21:37", "start_time": "1:21:33", "text": "That requires a whole of country effort, which only the central government can give." }, { "end_time": "1:21:43", "start_time": "1:21:38", "text": "And so that's where you say you don't keep saying everything is fine." }, { "end_time": "1:21:47", "start_time": "1:21:43", "text": "You look at the problem, identify the problem and act upon it." }, { "end_time": "1:21:54", "start_time": "1:21:47", "text": "The government has produced a good report to national education policy, but implementation has lagged." }, { "end_time": "1:21:56", "start_time": "1:21:54", "text": "The government implements a lot of things." }, { "end_time": "1:22:00", "start_time": "1:21:56", "text": "We need to implement the national education policy sooner rather than later." }, { "end_time": "1:22:02", "start_time": "1:22:00", "text": "What's happening with the national education policy?" }, { "end_time": "1:22:05", "start_time": "1:22:04", "text": "Because of lack of execution." }, { "end_time": "1:22:08", "start_time": "1:22:06", "text": "It has not been implemented." }, { "end_time": "1:22:08", "start_time": "1:22:08", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:22:09", "start_time": "1:22:08", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:22:10", "start_time": "1:22:09", "text": "Who implements it?" }, { "end_time": "1:22:14", "start_time": "1:22:10", "text": "Well, I presume some combination of the center and the states have to get together." }, { "end_time": "1:22:23", "start_time": "1:22:14", "text": "Some of it is about things that are entirely within the center's control, which is there are many colleges which are too small, which can't afford adequate teachers." }, { "end_time": "1:22:27", "start_time": "1:22:23", "text": "So the policy prescribes merging some of those colleges." }, { "end_time": "1:22:30", "start_time": "1:22:27", "text": "Now that sort of comes up against a lot of vested interests." }, { "end_time": "1:22:36", "start_time": "1:22:31", "text": "There are lots of politicians who run colleges who don't want those colleges merged with others." }, { "end_time": "1:22:38", "start_time": "1:22:36", "text": "They're making fees from those." }, { "end_time": "1:22:40", "start_time": "1:22:38", "text": "So you need to you need to break all that." }, { "end_time": "1:22:44", "start_time": "1:22:40", "text": "And clearly we have a government which has a political power to do that." }, { "end_time": "1:22:45", "start_time": "1:22:44", "text": "We should be doing much more." }, { "end_time": "1:22:49", "start_time": "1:22:45", "text": "My understanding was that the bureaucracy actually executes all these things." }, { "end_time": "1:22:52", "start_time": "1:22:49", "text": "Like IAS officers, IPS officers, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "1:22:55", "start_time": "1:22:52", "text": "Like, they make things happen on the ground." }, { "end_time": "1:22:58", "start_time": "1:22:55", "text": "They do, but they get directions from the political establishment." }, { "end_time": "1:23:04", "start_time": "1:22:58", "text": "And the political establishment, again and again, when it works, basically says, what happened to this?" }, { "end_time": "1:23:06", "start_time": "1:23:05", "text": "Not yet." }, { "end_time": "1:23:06", "start_time": "1:23:06", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:23:07", "start_time": "1:23:06", "text": "Better do it." }, { "end_time": "1:23:08", "start_time": "1:23:07", "text": "Otherwise, you're out." }, { "end_time": "1:23:10", "start_time": "1:23:08", "text": "You I'll transfer you." }, { "end_time": "1:23:14", "start_time": "1:23:10", "text": "So at the end of the day, the party and power will decide where the country goes." }, { "end_time": "1:23:21", "start_time": "1:23:15", "text": "And I think the overarching criticism here is that we've not generated as many jobs as we could have generated in the last 10 years." }, { "end_time": "1:23:24", "start_time": "1:23:22", "text": "I think it's a longer standing issue." }, { "end_time": "1:23:27", "start_time": "1:23:24", "text": "I won't say this just the last 10 years, but there was a promise." }, { "end_time": "1:23:31", "start_time": "1:23:28", "text": "We will generate 2 crore jobs per month." }, { "end_time": "1:23:33", "start_time": "1:23:32", "text": "There's a guarantee." }, { "end_time": "1:23:35", "start_time": "1:23:33", "text": "That guarantee has not been fulfilled." }, { "end_time": "1:23:37", "start_time": "1:23:36", "text": "In fact, we've gone the other way." }, { "end_time": "1:23:49", "start_time": "1:23:37", "text": "So one of the most frightening numbers, I'll tell you, I'll use the word frightening, which again we mentioned in the book is that the employment in agriculture as a share of total employment has been going up." }, { "end_time": "1:24:03", "start_time": "1:23:50", "text": "No developing country, which is growing at 6, 7% a year should see employment in the old sector going up because productivity in agriculture is very low." }, { "end_time": "1:24:04", "start_time": "1:24:03", "text": "There's not enough land." }, { "end_time": "1:24:06", "start_time": "1:24:04", "text": "There's no why are more people going to agriculture?" }, { "end_time": "1:24:10", "start_time": "1:24:06", "text": "Because they cannot find jobs in services or industry." }, { "end_time": "1:24:14", "start_time": "1:24:10", "text": "In fact, if you look, employment in services has been coming down." }, { "end_time": "1:24:17", "start_time": "1:24:14", "text": "Employment in manufacturing has been coming down." }, { "end_time": "1:24:22", "start_time": "1:24:17", "text": "The only place where employment share has been going up is agriculture and construction." }, { "end_time": "1:24:25", "start_time": "1:24:22", "text": "Construction, give credit to the government." }, { "end_time": "1:24:26", "start_time": "1:24:25", "text": "It's been doing a lot of construction." }, { "end_time": "1:24:27", "start_time": "1:24:26", "text": "That has been helpful." }, { "end_time": "1:24:33", "start_time": "1:24:27", "text": "But the other two areas, which is where a modern economy needs more people, employment has been coming down." }, { "end_time": "1:24:34", "start_time": "1:24:33", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:24:37", "start_time": "1:24:35", "text": "Can we approach this from a slightly solution oriented?" }, { "end_time": "1:24:38", "start_time": "1:24:38", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "1:24:39", "start_time": "1:24:38", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:24:45", "start_time": "1:24:39", "text": "Because again, I remember in one of your past conversations, you spoke about creative disruption." }, { "end_time": "1:24:48", "start_time": "1:24:45", "text": "You basically said that creativity is a strength that Indians have." }, { "end_time": "1:24:50", "start_time": "1:24:48", "text": "We need to play to our own strength." }, { "end_time": "1:24:51", "start_time": "1:24:50", "text": "Like, what is Isro in the first place?" }, { "end_time": "1:24:53", "start_time": "1:24:51", "text": "It's jugaad at play." }, { "end_time": "1:24:54", "start_time": "1:24:53", "text": "And Jugard comes out of creativity." }, { "end_time": "1:24:59", "start_time": "1:24:54", "text": "So I'm going to apply those same rules to this conversation." }, { "end_time": "1:25:12", "start_time": "1:24:59", "text": "Now I've often seen in my own entrepreneurial journey that I've pitched an idea and it sounds like something far fetched, but maybe entrepreneurs are optimistic inherently." }, { "end_time": "1:25:14", "start_time": "1:25:12", "text": "Which is why it always sounds nice to me." }, { "end_time": "1:25:15", "start_time": "1:25:14", "text": "This is one of those moments." }, { "end_time": "1:25:22", "start_time": "1:25:15", "text": "I personally feel that content and content creation as a long term career is kind of like a chef's job." }, { "end_time": "1:25:24", "start_time": "1:25:22", "text": "You're serving food all the time." }, { "end_time": "1:25:27", "start_time": "1:25:24", "text": "And then eventually people will also forget what you've served 2 years ago." }, { "end_time": "1:25:37", "start_time": "1:25:28", "text": "But the actual usage of content creation as a skill that can help the country is if we're able to spread education digitally." }, { "end_time": "1:25:46", "start_time": "1:25:38", "text": "Because I remember speaking with Sanjeev Sanyal, I think about this, where he said that entrepreneurs also have a very, very big role to play in the nation's story." }, { "end_time": "1:25:49", "start_time": "1:25:46", "text": "Everything is not down to the government and policy makers." }, { "end_time": "1:25:53", "start_time": "1:25:49", "text": "You need a lot of entrepreneurs in the country to actually make the change." }, { "end_time": "1:25:57", "start_time": "1:25:54", "text": "I personally see this as a pretty solvable problem." }, { "end_time": "1:25:58", "start_time": "1:25:57", "text": "It might be a far fetched thought." }, { "end_time": "1:26:07", "start_time": "1:25:58", "text": "And I say that because if YouTube and big boss has reached corners of the country, why can't skill based education also reach there?" }, { "end_time": "1:26:15", "start_time": "1:26:08", "text": "Of course, you can't make the practical side of it reach there, but you can make a lot of depths of theory reach those parts of country." }, { "end_time": "1:26:18", "start_time": "1:26:15", "text": "You can even make mindset reach parts of the country, etcetera, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "1:26:21", "start_time": "1:26:19", "text": "Is that a practical solution or am I being over optimistic?" }, { "end_time": "1:26:22", "start_time": "1:26:21", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:26:32", "start_time": "1:26:22", "text": "There is an organizational process, but you're absolutely right that digital and technology offers us lots of scope for solutions, right, to make much better schools." }, { "end_time": "1:26:42", "start_time": "1:26:32", "text": "So one example, we met this entrepreneur who's basically started, what, a school system called ORCIDs." }, { "end_time": "1:26:47", "start_time": "1:26:43", "text": "Many people have been to good public schools, Columbus, DPS, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "1:26:50", "start_time": "1:26:48", "text": "How do you recreate those schools in a big way?" }, { "end_time": "1:26:51", "start_time": "1:26:50", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:26:58", "start_time": "1:26:51", "text": "Very hard because they have teachers who've, you know, grown in the system, and they've built a reputation over time." }, { "end_time": "1:27:08", "start_time": "1:26:59", "text": "What he does is he got 37,000 plus lesson plans put together for each lesson that a teacher will give." }, { "end_time": "1:27:13", "start_time": "1:27:08", "text": "You know, like you're doing your podcast, fantastically with videos and this and that." }, { "end_time": "1:27:17", "start_time": "1:27:13", "text": "He knows that the maximum people will listen to a video, the short form video is 3 minutes." }, { "end_time": "1:27:20", "start_time": "1:27:18", "text": "So in his lesson plan, there's a 3 minute video." }, { "end_time": "1:27:26", "start_time": "1:27:21", "text": "Then there is, you know, the teacher sort of raises some question, there's a debate." }, { "end_time": "1:27:30", "start_time": "1:27:26", "text": "Every lesson plan is written out for every subject." }, { "end_time": "1:27:36", "start_time": "1:27:31", "text": "And then teachers are recruited to deliver this, and there's instant feedback." }, { "end_time": "1:27:43", "start_time": "1:27:36", "text": "End of the lesson, students type in, did we there's a lot of technology used, but it's a mix of human and technology." }, { "end_time": "1:27:45", "start_time": "1:27:43", "text": "Without the teachers, students won't learn." }, { "end_time": "1:27:50", "start_time": "1:27:46", "text": "With the teacher, there's a scripted process by which the learning takes place." }, { "end_time": "1:27:57", "start_time": "1:27:50", "text": "And you get maybe not quite Columbus, I don't know, But you get pretty close to top level public schools." }, { "end_time": "1:27:58", "start_time": "1:27:57", "text": "But this is totally scalable." }, { "end_time": "1:28:04", "start_time": "1:27:59", "text": "He is at this point, I think he has 63,000 students in schools." }, { "end_time": "1:28:06", "start_time": "1:28:04", "text": "I may get the number a little wrong." }, { "end_time": "1:28:09", "start_time": "1:28:07", "text": "63,000 is like, 63 Saint Columbus." }, { "end_time": "1:28:16", "start_time": "1:28:10", "text": "And he has another 350,000 schools who have bought his, his process." }, { "end_time": "1:28:31", "start_time": "1:28:18", "text": "It turns out when you do studies, and I'm not talking about his particular system, but in other countries, when you do studies on this kind of scripted system, it works very well in improving, people's education students' education level." }, { "end_time": "1:28:31", "start_time": "1:28:31", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "1:28:37", "start_time": "1:28:31", "text": "Because the teacher has to follow and has to complete the thing, but it's properly timed." }, { "end_time": "1:28:39", "start_time": "1:28:37", "text": "It doesn't teacher doesn't have to run through it." }, { "end_time": "1:28:45", "start_time": "1:28:40", "text": "And the student constantly is tested to see how much they learned, help if they fall behind." }, { "end_time": "1:28:51", "start_time": "1:28:45", "text": "One of the biggest problems we have in class is students falling behind, not understanding what is taught in class." }, { "end_time": "1:28:56", "start_time": "1:28:52", "text": "So this is where one way of preventing them from falling behind." }, { "end_time": "1:29:00", "start_time": "1:28:56", "text": "They get remedial tuition during the week if they fall behind." }, { "end_time": "1:29:06", "start_time": "1:29:00", "text": "There's another way If you're looking forward, think about artificial intelligence bots." }, { "end_time": "1:29:09", "start_time": "1:29:06", "text": "So there's a teacher in a school who's teaching 50 students." }, { "end_time": "1:29:16", "start_time": "1:29:10", "text": "Now teacher will teach, maybe 10 stones in the middle will be very interested." }, { "end_time": "1:29:17", "start_time": "1:29:16", "text": "They'll get it." }, { "end_time": "1:29:25", "start_time": "1:29:18", "text": "Teacher was teaching at too low a level for the smartest stones, so maybe 10 stones will get bored and they will not pay too much attention." }, { "end_time": "1:29:27", "start_time": "1:29:25", "text": "But they're good enough, they'll get it." }, { "end_time": "1:29:32", "start_time": "1:29:27", "text": "The bottom 40, 30 or 40 students, basically, are falling behind." }, { "end_time": "1:29:33", "start_time": "1:29:32", "text": "They don't understand." }, { "end_time": "1:29:36", "start_time": "1:29:33", "text": "And once they don't understand, they don't understand even more." }, { "end_time": "1:29:40", "start_time": "1:29:37", "text": "And it's all Greek to them or Tamil to them or whatever." }, { "end_time": "1:29:44", "start_time": "1:29:40", "text": "They don't they don't understand what is being taught in class, and they drop out." }, { "end_time": "1:29:45", "start_time": "1:29:44", "text": "How do you keep them on board?" }, { "end_time": "1:29:47", "start_time": "1:29:45", "text": "Well, we need tutors." }, { "end_time": "1:29:51", "start_time": "1:29:48", "text": "30% of kids in school today are being tutored." }, { "end_time": "1:29:59", "start_time": "1:29:51", "text": "But what if we had tutors for every kid even in a poor government school because we could have cheap artificial intelligence bots." }, { "end_time": "1:30:03", "start_time": "1:29:59", "text": "You type in the question, and, you know, kids learn how to type very quickly, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "1:30:05", "start_time": "1:30:03", "text": "You type in the question, you get the answer." }, { "end_time": "1:30:08", "start_time": "1:30:05", "text": "Acha, I didn't understand what the Pythagoras theorem was." }, { "end_time": "1:30:10", "start_time": "1:30:09", "text": "Please explain it." }, { "end_time": "1:30:17", "start_time": "1:30:10", "text": "You get a detailed explanation much like Khan Academy or somebody would would give, and you learn." }, { "end_time": "1:30:22", "start_time": "1:30:17", "text": "So technology allows us the possibility of improving the quality of teaching tremendously." }, { "end_time": "1:30:28", "start_time": "1:30:23", "text": "And the hope is if we can spread this around the country, we have a solution." }, { "end_time": "1:30:38", "start_time": "1:30:28", "text": "Through a mix of entrepreneurship, good old style teachers, but aided by the scripts, by the, kind of, bots." }, { "end_time": "1:30:41", "start_time": "1:30:38", "text": "I mean, this is not far fetched." }, { "end_time": "1:30:45", "start_time": "1:30:41", "text": "I talk to people at Pratham, which works with the poorest kids." }, { "end_time": "1:30:47", "start_time": "1:30:45", "text": "They tell me technology has been very useful." }, { "end_time": "1:30:48", "start_time": "1:30:48", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:30:56", "start_time": "1:30:48", "text": "So there's a lot I wish to ask you related to everything that you've just said, but we've spoken for almost an hour and a half right now." }, { "end_time": "1:31:01", "start_time": "1:30:56", "text": "So, I do believe these are the kind of conversations that need to be consumed in-depth." }, { "end_time": "1:31:06", "start_time": "1:31:02", "text": "And often when we upload 3 hour long, 4 hour long conversations, they don't get entirely consumed." }, { "end_time": "1:31:10", "start_time": "1:31:07", "text": "And only because of that, I'm going to stop you at this point." }, { "end_time": "1:31:14", "start_time": "1:31:10", "text": "And the rest of this conversation we'll cover in the next part where we'll talk about manufacturing." }, { "end_time": "1:31:17", "start_time": "1:31:14", "text": "We'll talk a little bit more in detail about politics." }, { "end_time": "1:31:21", "start_time": "1:31:17", "text": "But thank you for this 101, and I hope you enjoyed it." }, { "end_time": "1:31:22", "start_time": "1:31:21", "text": "Thank you very much." }, { "end_time": "1:31:23", "start_time": "1:31:22", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:31:25", "start_time": "1:31:23", "text": "Alright, ladies and gentlemen." }, { "end_time": "1:31:29", "start_time": "1:31:25", "text": "That was only part 1 of this special conversation." }, { "end_time": "1:31:32", "start_time": "1:31:29", "text": "Part 2 will release next week." }, { "end_time": "1:31:34", "start_time": "1:31:32", "text": "I hope you enjoyed it." }, { "end_time": "1:31:37", "start_time": "1:31:34", "text": "I hope you learned from it in the same way that I did." }, { "end_time": "1:31:44", "start_time": "1:31:38", "text": "Economics is a subject that I'm trying to learn actively through the show and through my own reading journey." }, { "end_time": "1:31:47", "start_time": "1:31:44", "text": "So I'd love for you guys to give me feedback on part 1." }, { "end_time": "1:31:49", "start_time": "1:31:47", "text": "Part 2 is even more power packed." }, { "end_time": "1:31:58", "start_time": "1:31:51", "text": "Perhaps more controversial in some ways, but the bottom line here is that we need more conversations like this." }, { "end_time": "1:32:01", "start_time": "1:31:58", "text": "And you'll see why I'm saying that in part 2." }, { "end_time": "1:32:03", "start_time": "1:32:01", "text": "So make sure you check out part 2 as well." }, { "end_time": "1:32:08", "start_time": "1:32:03", "text": "This was doctor Raghuram Rajan with part 1 of our epic conversation on TRS." } ] }

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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:03", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "Guests like yourself visit my life when I really, really need them." }, { "end_time": "0:07", "start_time": "0:03", "text": "I get access to people like yourself who are actually staying at Rishikesh." }, { "end_time": "0:13", "start_time": "0:07", "text": "You know that you've been an instrument to something very divine, and then you understand God." }, { "end_time": "0:15", "start_time": "0:13", "text": "The escapists that you come across." }, { "end_time": "0:17", "start_time": "0:15", "text": "I see many of them come to Rishikesh." }, { "end_time": "0:20", "start_time": "0:17", "text": "How do you pick them out of that place and explain the right path?" }, { "end_time": "0:22", "start_time": "0:20", "text": "I would definitely give a mantra." }, { "end_time": "0:27", "start_time": "0:22", "text": "One mantra to everyone or do you give them a mantra based on that person's subjective reality?" }, { "end_time": "0:31", "start_time": "0:27", "text": "I give What's been the most difficult thing that's happened with you?" }, { "end_time": "0:34", "start_time": "0:31", "text": "When I came to Rishikesh, I had nothing with me 16 years back." }, { "end_time": "0:39", "start_time": "0:34", "text": "I left all my assets, family, everything, and I just came with a bag where he filled me style." }, { "end_time": "0:44", "start_time": "0:39", "text": "So I was sitting by the Ganga one day, and I was telling her, boss, I have nothing with me." }, { "end_time": "0:47", "start_time": "0:44", "text": "At that moment, I used to wear 2 diamond tops." }, { "end_time": "0:49", "start_time": "0:47", "text": "I just removed them, and I gave it to Gangaji." }, { "end_time": "0:53", "start_time": "0:49", "text": "I said, this is all I have, and now you see take care of what I want to do." }, { "end_time": "0:56", "start_time": "0:53", "text": "Let's flow more back into your twenties thirties." }, { "end_time": "0:58", "start_time": "0:56", "text": "I also explored a lot of tantric method." }, { "end_time": "1:00", "start_time": "0:58", "text": "A lot of western therapies, shamanic therapies." }, { "end_time": "1:04", "start_time": "1:00", "text": "I mean, Atharva Veda is full of, occult and mysticism." }, { "end_time": "1:05", "start_time": "1:04", "text": "Like what?" }, { "end_time": "1:08", "start_time": "1:05", "text": "Like you make a tavis or you make a vibrational medicine." }, { "end_time": "1:10", "start_time": "1:08", "text": "I did all this in my in my healing journey." }, { "end_time": "1:17", "start_time": "1:10", "text": "Do you think it was the will of the parmatma to keep the sanathani deities alive through this phase of the human timeline?" }, { "end_time": "1:21", "start_time": "1:17", "text": "The people who are in this part of the world are keeping it alive." }, { "end_time": "1:26", "start_time": "1:21", "text": "You see the now that they go on the to Panharpur." }, { "end_time": "1:30", "start_time": "1:26", "text": "You see the madness in them, Hare Krishna people, and you see the Jagannathra." }, { "end_time": "1:35", "start_time": "1:31", "text": "How can one ensure that this is the last lifetime that they're spending in this realm?" }, { "end_time": "1:38", "start_time": "1:35", "text": "The knowing and the need of knowing comes from the ego." }, { "end_time": "1:42", "start_time": "1:38", "text": "You could dedicate every waking second to practice." }, { "end_time": "1:43", "start_time": "1:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:44", "start_time": "1:43", "text": "You still may not make it to enlightenment." }, { "end_time": "1:45", "start_time": "1:45", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:50", "start_time": "1:45", "text": "And this moment you could get enlightenment, that spark of understanding enters into your brain." }, { "end_time": "1:56", "start_time": "1:50", "text": "And when you fall into the lap of God, I think that's one of the most comfortable things to happen to any human being." }, { "end_time": "1:57", "start_time": "1:56", "text": "So nice being in your presence." }, { "end_time": "2:00", "start_time": "1:58", "text": "At the start of this podcast, I was almost about to cry." }, { "end_time": "2:06", "start_time": "2:00", "text": "This is the living dream for me." }, { "end_time": "2:09", "start_time": "2:07", "text": "Don't want to make this intro too long." }, { "end_time": "2:24", "start_time": "2:10", "text": "All I'll say is that there's certain guests I meet at very, very few points throughout the year where you know that there's a much larger purpose behind that meeting than just recording a podcast episode." }, { "end_time": "2:31", "start_time": "2:25", "text": "A lot has changed in my life since this spectacular conversation with Magyan Suveera." }, { "end_time": "2:41", "start_time": "2:31", "text": "She's one of the most knowledgeable and honestly one of the most spiritually advanced souls that I've come across throughout this 5 year podcasting journey." }, { "end_time": "2:50", "start_time": "2:42", "text": "If you enjoy our Raja Shee Nandi Sur episodes or our Vinay Varanasi episodes, this is another all star that we found, ladies and gentlemen." }, { "end_time": "2:52", "start_time": "2:50", "text": "It's Maghiaan Souvira." }, { "end_time": "3:01", "start_time": "2:52", "text": "We're just gonna get to know her on today's episode but in the coming few months, you're going to see a lot more topical episodes created with her on this podcast." }, { "end_time": "3:05", "start_time": "3:01", "text": "You're going to enjoy another spiritual special of TRS." }, { "end_time": "3:24", "start_time": "3:22", "text": "Welcome to the Ranveer, Shoma." }, { "end_time": "3:25", "start_time": "3:24", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "3:28", "start_time": "3:26", "text": "Now we can talk openly." }, { "end_time": "3:36", "start_time": "3:28", "text": "I have so many things to say to you because I know that episodes like this and guests like yourself visit my life when I really, really need them." }, { "end_time": "3:42", "start_time": "3:36", "text": "And I pray every night to meet people like you genuinely." }, { "end_time": "3:54", "start_time": "3:42", "text": "Like, I ask God to send me more conversations like this because, sure, we're recording a podcast, but I get access to people like yourself who actually staying in the Rishikesh." }, { "end_time": "3:56", "start_time": "3:54", "text": "You have such an intense practice." }, { "end_time": "3:59", "start_time": "3:57", "text": "This is the living dream for me." }, { "end_time": "4:02", "start_time": "3:59", "text": "So That's absolutely blessed and divine, Raveed." }, { "end_time": "4:09", "start_time": "4:02", "text": "I also believe that only blessed people get to work in such a field where you're meeting lovely people every day." }, { "end_time": "4:10", "start_time": "4:09", "text": "Thank you, ma'am." }, { "end_time": "4:15", "start_time": "4:11", "text": "I am at, Sarajacrossroads mentally and emotionally." }, { "end_time": "4:24", "start_time": "4:15", "text": "And, you know, I often ask God at these kind of crossroads to send someone to help me, like, choose which pathway to go down." }, { "end_time": "4:26", "start_time": "4:24", "text": "So firstly, thank you for being in our studio." }, { "end_time": "4:27", "start_time": "4:26", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "4:42", "start_time": "4:28", "text": "If I may request you to begin this conversation with any mantra or, you know, if you want to pay respect to your, guru lineage, that would be a great point to start because I know we're not just recording 1 episode today." }, { "end_time": "4:43", "start_time": "4:43", "text": "Lovely." }, { "end_time": "4:51", "start_time": "4:43", "text": "So I would do a small, Ganesh mantra that we often do before beginning all our classes, and, that's Maheshta Devita." }, { "end_time": "4:56", "start_time": "4:51", "text": "So we do a small mantra of Ganesh, which comes in the last khanda of the." }, { "end_time": "4:57", "start_time": "4:57", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "5:01", "start_time": "5:00", "text": "Om." }, { "end_time": "6:00", "start_time": "5:59", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "6:06", "start_time": "6:02", "text": "I really want to put forth this question in a more polite way." }, { "end_time": "6:07", "start_time": "6:06", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "6:09", "start_time": "6:07", "text": "But I'm going to choose the rude path." }, { "end_time": "6:09", "start_time": "6:09", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "6:10", "start_time": "6:09", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "6:11", "start_time": "6:10", "text": "So don't mind it." }, { "end_time": "6:11", "start_time": "6:11", "text": "Not at all." }, { "end_time": "6:15", "start_time": "6:11", "text": "How would you answer the question that goes, who are you?" }, { "end_time": "6:17", "start_time": "6:16", "text": "Who am I?" }, { "end_time": "6:19", "start_time": "6:17", "text": "Such a big mystery." }, { "end_time": "6:21", "start_time": "6:19", "text": "Renv, such a big mystery." }, { "end_time": "6:25", "start_time": "6:21", "text": "And the older I get, the bigger this question grows." }, { "end_time": "6:33", "start_time": "6:26", "text": "Because you come from childhood thinking you're so and so, which is a very basal conditioned understanding that we have." }, { "end_time": "6:53", "start_time": "6:33", "text": "And then you come to the middle age where there's a pompous you, you know, which which believes that you are the creation of whatever learning and whatever hard work you've done, etcetera, etcetera, the struggle of life, the, you know, the seeking, earning, spending, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "6:55", "start_time": "6:53", "text": "And you borrow a lot of desires." }, { "end_time": "7:01", "start_time": "6:55", "text": "You know, in the in the course of our growing up, we borrow a lot of desires, and we start believing that this is what I want." }, { "end_time": "7:03", "start_time": "7:02", "text": "For example, traveling the world." }, { "end_time": "7:06", "start_time": "7:03", "text": "Today, you give me a free ticket to travel the world." }, { "end_time": "7:07", "start_time": "7:06", "text": "I will say to me, please." }, { "end_time": "7:08", "start_time": "7:07", "text": "I don't wanna go." }, { "end_time": "7:09", "start_time": "7:08", "text": "I wanna relax." }, { "end_time": "7:10", "start_time": "7:09", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "7:15", "start_time": "7:10", "text": "So we borrow dreams and desires of other people, people who talk, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "7:22", "start_time": "7:16", "text": "And then comes this curve, you know, in your life where you really get into that query of who am I." }, { "end_time": "7:28", "start_time": "7:23", "text": "And when you intensify your sadhana, sadhana being one of the very important tools." }, { "end_time": "7:31", "start_time": "7:28", "text": "And when I say sadhana, it can mean intellectual self inquiry." }, { "end_time": "7:35", "start_time": "7:32", "text": "It can mean jnana yoga, karma yoga, bhakti yoga." }, { "end_time": "7:38", "start_time": "7:36", "text": "So a mixture of all these 3 yogas." }, { "end_time": "7:51", "start_time": "7:38", "text": "When you really come into self inquiry and the search through bhakti, through jnana, through your, you know, observation and awareness of your karma, then you come on that curve where you start realizing, this what I think I am, I am not." }, { "end_time": "7:54", "start_time": "7:53", "text": "This what I think I am not." }, { "end_time": "8:12", "start_time": "7:55", "text": "The recognition of you having lived many lives, the wisdom for instance, for me, the biggest revelation of who I am not came when I as a student, as an you know, as an academic student in school and college, I was not a very brilliant student." }, { "end_time": "8:13", "start_time": "8:12", "text": "I was very average." }, { "end_time": "8:23", "start_time": "8:14", "text": "And then in the in the stages of my life as I grew in into my spiritual practices and mysticism and, you know, self inquiry, I acquired." }, { "end_time": "8:34", "start_time": "8:24", "text": "It's like re, reminded, you know, many different arts, many different skills, many different practices, mantras." }, { "end_time": "8:36", "start_time": "8:34", "text": "There were there were huge download of things." }, { "end_time": "8:42", "start_time": "8:37", "text": "This made me very sure in certitude that I am not what I think I am." }, { "end_time": "8:47", "start_time": "8:43", "text": "I am something more reverential and greater that my ego can fathom." }, { "end_time": "8:50", "start_time": "8:48", "text": "At what age did the spiritual journey begin?" }, { "end_time": "9:00", "start_time": "8:51", "text": "For me, majorly in 1991, I had transforming experiences that brought me on the path of teaching, spiritual subjects." }, { "end_time": "9:05", "start_time": "9:00", "text": "Spiritual subjects have been with me for from the age of 14 when I was in school." }, { "end_time": "9:08", "start_time": "9:05", "text": "Because I went to, Mother's International School." }, { "end_time": "9:09", "start_time": "9:08", "text": "We were made to meditate." }, { "end_time": "9:10", "start_time": "9:09", "text": "Children were made to meditate." }, { "end_time": "9:16", "start_time": "9:10", "text": "So When you say Mother's International School, this is the same of Shri Aurobind Ashram." }, { "end_time": "9:16", "start_time": "9:16", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "9:18", "start_time": "9:16", "text": "When when you go to Auroville, they talk about the mother?" }, { "end_time": "9:19", "start_time": "9:18", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "9:20", "start_time": "9:19", "text": "That's that's the mother." }, { "end_time": "9:21", "start_time": "9:21", "text": "Mother." }, { "end_time": "9:22", "start_time": "9:21", "text": "But I was in the Delhi branch." }, { "end_time": "9:23", "start_time": "9:22", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "9:24", "start_time": "9:23", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "9:25", "start_time": "9:24", "text": "Lots of questions, but please continue." }, { "end_time": "9:26", "start_time": "9:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:34", "start_time": "9:26", "text": "So, you know, over a period of time from 91, many intense experiences that gave me that I'm not the stupid me that I know." }, { "end_time": "9:38", "start_time": "9:35", "text": "I'm someone that I knew really need to respect and love." }, { "end_time": "9:46", "start_time": "9:38", "text": "I'm someone that is coming from many lifetimes, is much older than what I can fathom, is much older spirit." }, { "end_time": "9:55", "start_time": "9:46", "text": "You know, I came close to my spirit, and I understand I understood that this me that I know about is just the outer cover." }, { "end_time": "9:59", "start_time": "9:55", "text": "And this identity that I'm relating to is not my identity truly." }, { "end_time": "10:05", "start_time": "10:00", "text": "So the false eye started diminishing over the years, and the real I started growing." }, { "end_time": "10:06", "start_time": "10:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:14", "start_time": "10:06", "text": "As in the part of your personality that perceived, society and its material limits started fading away." }, { "end_time": "10:15", "start_time": "10:14", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "10:18", "start_time": "10:15", "text": "And you started understanding the the actual purpose of human life." }, { "end_time": "10:19", "start_time": "10:18", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "10:19", "start_time": "10:19", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "10:29", "start_time": "10:20", "text": "But what was, like, the j curve moment in terms of for me, I read the autobiography of a yogi." }, { "end_time": "10:30", "start_time": "10:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:32", "start_time": "10:30", "text": "And once I got through the book, I wanted more." }, { "end_time": "10:36", "start_time": "10:32", "text": "So I ended up finding out where the Mumbai branch of that space is." }, { "end_time": "10:37", "start_time": "10:36", "text": "You guys." }, { "end_time": "10:37", "start_time": "10:37", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "10:39", "start_time": "10:37", "text": "And it turned out to be 200 meters from my house." }, { "end_time": "10:39", "start_time": "10:39", "text": "Uh-huh." }, { "end_time": "10:42", "start_time": "10:39", "text": "So I'd grown up near it, but I didn't even know." }, { "end_time": "10:42", "start_time": "10:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:48", "start_time": "10:43", "text": "And for 4, 5 years of my life, I deep dived into YSS related Yes." }, { "end_time": "10:49", "start_time": "10:49", "text": "Practices." }, { "end_time": "10:52", "start_time": "10:50", "text": "I feel like it cleaned up my body and my mind." }, { "end_time": "10:55", "start_time": "10:52", "text": "And once the body and the mind was cleaned up, then the show began." }, { "end_time": "11:01", "start_time": "10:55", "text": "And I met people like yourself, Rajeshi Nandy, especially, who has guided me so deeply." }, { "end_time": "11:07", "start_time": "11:02", "text": "At this stage, I'm kind of doing a lot of mantras." }, { "end_time": "11:07", "start_time": "11:07", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "11:10", "start_time": "11:07", "text": "A lot of Namjap, gotten into." }, { "end_time": "11:13", "start_time": "11:11", "text": "This is my Jacob moment." }, { "end_time": "11:19", "start_time": "11:13", "text": "So I felt like all the stuff I did at YSS cleaned up my body and mind to make me ready for this." }, { "end_time": "11:20", "start_time": "11:19", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "11:29", "start_time": "11:20", "text": "I think, you know, people say that you should always have 1 guru and you shouldn't, go window shopping when it comes to spirituality and I totally agree with that." }, { "end_time": "11:32", "start_time": "11:29", "text": "But I also feel things have visited my life way too early." }, { "end_time": "11:34", "start_time": "11:32", "text": "Like, all this began when I was 22." }, { "end_time": "11:41", "start_time": "11:34", "text": "From 22 to 30, I was undoing the wrongs that I did to my body and my spirit before that." }, { "end_time": "11:41", "start_time": "11:41", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "11:51", "start_time": "11:42", "text": "And now at around 30, 31, with all the mantras just flowing into my life like a tsunami, now I can feel too many changes happening, but I'm extremely detached from society." }, { "end_time": "11:52", "start_time": "11:52", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "11:59", "start_time": "11:52", "text": "Like, I feel a very, very intense level of detachment from everything, from joy, sadness, people, relationships, everything." }, { "end_time": "12:00", "start_time": "11:59", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "12:08", "start_time": "12:00", "text": "So something's happening and things are going by me so fast that I actually need to slow down and have conversations with people like you." }, { "end_time": "12:08", "start_time": "12:08", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "12:11", "start_time": "12:08", "text": "So what's the Jacob moment for you, ma'am?" }, { "end_time": "12:16", "start_time": "12:11", "text": "Well, I started my spiritual practices with lot of, playful spirit." }, { "end_time": "12:24", "start_time": "12:16", "text": "I was very fond of, doing readings with and tarot cards and, astrology and all of these things." }, { "end_time": "12:27", "start_time": "12:24", "text": "They were my subjects that I used to teach as well as practice." }, { "end_time": "12:32", "start_time": "12:27", "text": "I used to do consultations for people and healing, exploring healing modalities." }, { "end_time": "12:37", "start_time": "12:32", "text": "More than 50, 60 healing modalities of the world, I have explored." }, { "end_time": "12:38", "start_time": "12:37", "text": "But how did you get into that?" }, { "end_time": "12:41", "start_time": "12:39", "text": "From childhood, I have always had interest in this." }, { "end_time": "12:50", "start_time": "12:41", "text": "When I was a when I was a kid, maybe around 8 something, we used to go to the village, to my granny's village near Alibag." }, { "end_time": "12:54", "start_time": "12:50", "text": "All small children, we used to go there to spend our summer vacations." }, { "end_time": "13:11", "start_time": "12:55", "text": "One day that I remember, and I don't remember the whole sequence of it, but I remember that day that we went to the, Thursday market or Tuesday market used to be, you know, where lot of other village people would come, and it would be like a big bazaar, roadside bazaar." }, { "end_time": "13:21", "start_time": "13:13", "text": "We used to go there to, have fun, and I remember seeing 1, gypsy woman sitting on the on the ground on the roadside." }, { "end_time": "13:28", "start_time": "13:21", "text": "She had parked her Belgrade, her cart, and she was on the roadside, and she was crowded by people." }, { "end_time": "13:30", "start_time": "13:28", "text": "People were, you know, around her." }, { "end_time": "13:39", "start_time": "13:30", "text": "When I went inside, I saw that she was having a thread or a rope, and there was a slipper dangling on that." }, { "end_time": "13:41", "start_time": "13:39", "text": "And she was dowsing." }, { "end_time": "13:42", "start_time": "13:41", "text": "What is that?" }, { "end_time": "13:43", "start_time": "13:42", "text": "The she was dowsing." }, { "end_time": "13:44", "start_time": "13:43", "text": "She like, using a pendulum." }, { "end_time": "13:45", "start_time": "13:44", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "13:50", "start_time": "13:45", "text": "And people were asking her questions, and she was giving answers, and people were giving her money." }, { "end_time": "13:59", "start_time": "13:50", "text": "To me, that was a very fascinating moment, very fascinating moment because I've it it was incredible for me to imagine that someone can just talk like that and give questions." }, { "end_time": "14:01", "start_time": "13:59", "text": "And I started aping her when I went back home." }, { "end_time": "14:09", "start_time": "14:01", "text": "I tied a a small, little stone to a thread, and I went around asking people, you want you have any questions, ask me." }, { "end_time": "14:10", "start_time": "14:10", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "14:12", "start_time": "14:10", "text": "So this thing has been inside me." }, { "end_time": "14:18", "start_time": "14:12", "text": "There was a sleeping healer, astrologer, mystic inside, which was awakened." }, { "end_time": "14:22", "start_time": "14:18", "text": "And, I got the right things at the right time in my hands." }, { "end_time": "14:25", "start_time": "14:22", "text": "The right book, the right things, you know, right friends." }, { "end_time": "14:28", "start_time": "14:25", "text": "And I never got along with people who didn't believe in spirituality." }, { "end_time": "14:29", "start_time": "14:28", "text": "I never got along with them." }, { "end_time": "14:31", "start_time": "14:29", "text": "I would just get up and go away." }, { "end_time": "14:40", "start_time": "14:31", "text": "In fact, interestingly, none of my family members, my parents' members are very ritualistic or religious or spiritual." }, { "end_time": "14:46", "start_time": "14:41", "text": "They they stay away from all these very hardworking, honest, beautiful people, yet they stay away from all this." }, { "end_time": "14:49", "start_time": "14:46", "text": "It's not a subject of interest for them." }, { "end_time": "14:51", "start_time": "14:49", "text": "So for me, this was all my life was." }, { "end_time": "14:58", "start_time": "14:52", "text": "Then later on, I mean, I chose to stay with people who knew all this and would speak and talk about all this." }, { "end_time": "14:59", "start_time": "14:58", "text": "I chose my company." }, { "end_time": "15:07", "start_time": "14:59", "text": "Thereafter, I've never had friends just hanging out here, and therefore, I've had friends who would talk about gods and goddesses and, you know, things like that." }, { "end_time": "15:09", "start_time": "15:07", "text": "That's how the journey began." }, { "end_time": "15:15", "start_time": "15:09", "text": "And then in 91, 1991, very specifically, I had visions of great masters in my meditation." }, { "end_time": "15:16", "start_time": "15:15", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "15:16", "start_time": "15:16", "text": "Hold on." }, { "end_time": "15:18", "start_time": "15:16", "text": "Now we'll slow it down a little bit." }, { "end_time": "15:19", "start_time": "15:18", "text": "And I'm very curious about the visions." }, { "end_time": "15:20", "start_time": "15:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:24", "start_time": "15:20", "text": "Let's go back to that, sandal with the thread Yes." }, { "end_time": "15:24", "start_time": "15:24", "text": "On it." }, { "end_time": "15:27", "start_time": "15:26", "text": "There's 2 kinds of human beings." }, { "end_time": "15:36", "start_time": "15:27", "text": "The first kind would hear or visualize a story like this and immediately dismiss it as being ritualistic or Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:38", "start_time": "15:37", "text": "Mumbo jumbo, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "15:40", "start_time": "15:38", "text": "And that's just how humankind is." }, { "end_time": "15:40", "start_time": "15:40", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "15:46", "start_time": "15:40", "text": "And there's a second realm of human beings, which is open to this kind of stuff." }, { "end_time": "15:51", "start_time": "15:46", "text": "And often that second realm becomes open as age hits them, as life hits them." }, { "end_time": "15:53", "start_time": "15:51", "text": "They realize that there's more to life." }, { "end_time": "15:56", "start_time": "15:53", "text": "There is what I would call a mystic realm or a psychic realm." }, { "end_time": "15:57", "start_time": "15:56", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "16:03", "start_time": "15:57", "text": "And I I definitely say that for me at age 22, you know, that was a turning point." }, { "end_time": "16:05", "start_time": "16:03", "text": "Pre 22, I would dismiss this stuff." }, { "end_time": "16:06", "start_time": "16:05", "text": "At 22, something happened." }, { "end_time": "16:09", "start_time": "16:06", "text": "After which, I'm very open to this kind of stuff." }, { "end_time": "16:09", "start_time": "16:09", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "16:10", "start_time": "16:09", "text": "My question to you is simple." }, { "end_time": "16:15", "start_time": "16:11", "text": "In terms of this show, we've met all sorts of people." }, { "end_time": "16:17", "start_time": "16:15", "text": "I've I've met ghostbusters as well." }, { "end_time": "16:18", "start_time": "16:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:26", "start_time": "16:18", "text": "And, there's this one particular ghost busting team, run by a brother of mine called Sarva." }, { "end_time": "16:30", "start_time": "16:26", "text": "He has, a lady in his team called Pooja." }, { "end_time": "16:31", "start_time": "16:30", "text": "She's been on the show as well." }, { "end_time": "16:32", "start_time": "16:31", "text": "And she had said something interesting." }, { "end_time": "16:37", "start_time": "16:33", "text": "She had said that when we're children, all of us have a certain degree of psychic abilities." }, { "end_time": "16:38", "start_time": "16:37", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "16:47", "start_time": "16:38", "text": "And as life hits you, as teenage, as politics, as a pain hits you, you end up clouding your own psychic abilities." }, { "end_time": "16:48", "start_time": "16:47", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:55", "start_time": "16:50", "text": "There are very few people like yourself who are kind of lucky enough to be in sync with that, you know, through your teammates." }, { "end_time": "16:57", "start_time": "16:55", "text": "I've always believed in what I experienced." }, { "end_time": "17:00", "start_time": "16:57", "text": "See, what you experienced, Ranveer, has two sides always." }, { "end_time": "17:05", "start_time": "17:00", "text": "Like you said, it could be a hocus pocus, or it could be something very extraordinary." }, { "end_time": "17:07", "start_time": "17:05", "text": "And in fact, they're both always." }, { "end_time": "17:08", "start_time": "17:07", "text": "They're always both." }, { "end_time": "17:10", "start_time": "17:08", "text": "They're always two sides of the coin." }, { "end_time": "17:12", "start_time": "17:10", "text": "They're always two sides of an experience." }, { "end_time": "17:16", "start_time": "17:12", "text": "It depends on you whether you wanna be on this side or this side." }, { "end_time": "17:30", "start_time": "17:16", "text": "When you give yourself to this side where there is fathomless possibility in the universe, unseen fathomless possibility, there are some guiding forces unseen guiding forces, guru tattva, and a lot more that picks you up." }, { "end_time": "17:31", "start_time": "17:30", "text": "What is guru tattva?" }, { "end_time": "17:32", "start_time": "17:31", "text": "Guru tattva is a element." }, { "end_time": "17:33", "start_time": "17:32", "text": "You repunch elements." }, { "end_time": "17:35", "start_time": "17:33", "text": "We have 5 elements." }, { "end_time": "17:35", "start_time": "17:35", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "17:36", "start_time": "17:35", "text": "There's a 6th element." }, { "end_time": "17:37", "start_time": "17:36", "text": "I always say guru tattva." }, { "end_time": "17:42", "start_time": "17:37", "text": "That is always wanting the human being to come up and higher, up and higher to evolve." }, { "end_time": "17:47", "start_time": "17:42", "text": "And that guru tattva manifest as a guru in your life, you know, as a teacher, as a guide." }, { "end_time": "17:54", "start_time": "17:47", "text": "So Guru Tattwa is aligned to you, then you'll find all people, lesson number 1, lesson number 2, lesson number 3 coming 1 by 1." }, { "end_time": "17:55", "start_time": "17:55", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "18:00", "start_time": "17:58", "text": "I have a mentor named Luke Coutinho." }, { "end_time": "18:09", "start_time": "18:00", "text": "He's talking about a word called providence, which basically means that as you're moving through life and life becomes difficult, God places a helping hand in your life." }, { "end_time": "18:09", "start_time": "18:09", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "18:10", "start_time": "18:09", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "18:10", "start_time": "18:10", "text": "Same concept." }, { "end_time": "18:11", "start_time": "18:10", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "18:11", "start_time": "18:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:11", "start_time": "18:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:12", "start_time": "18:11", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "18:14", "start_time": "18:12", "text": "We we we say God, we say it." }, { "end_time": "18:15", "start_time": "18:14", "text": "God works through elements." }, { "end_time": "18:21", "start_time": "18:16", "text": "And consciousness is consciousness is what is God, what is Brahmatna, what we say." }, { "end_time": "18:23", "start_time": "18:21", "text": "Does not do anything himself." }, { "end_time": "18:24", "start_time": "18:24", "text": "Nothing." }, { "end_time": "18:26", "start_time": "18:24", "text": "He is a he is a he is a witnesser." }, { "end_time": "18:27", "start_time": "18:26", "text": "He's a Sakshi." }, { "end_time": "18:36", "start_time": "18:34", "text": "That is the definition of true god." }, { "end_time": "18:37", "start_time": "18:36", "text": "What does that mean?" }, { "end_time": "18:44", "start_time": "18:37", "text": "It's completely shapeless, colorless, you know, no movement, no emotion, nothing." }, { "end_time": "18:52", "start_time": "18:45", "text": "But condition consciousness, that means if in your destiny, evolution is happening this way, the way it is happening." }, { "end_time": "19:00", "start_time": "18:53", "text": "It promotes other condition figures to come into your life, you know, and take you up there where you want to be." }, { "end_time": "19:04", "start_time": "19:00", "text": "Your soul has chosen a goal for you in this life." }, { "end_time": "19:04", "start_time": "19:04", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "19:09", "start_time": "19:04", "text": "The the lamppost that you wanna touch and reach in this lifetime." }, { "end_time": "19:10", "start_time": "19:09", "text": "How do you go there?" }, { "end_time": "19:18", "start_time": "19:10", "text": "So with that desire in you, in your in your causal body, in your current shareer, consciousness promotes and, you know, sends people." }, { "end_time": "19:23", "start_time": "19:18", "text": "You attract the right kind of people that will take you step by step to that post." }, { "end_time": "19:27", "start_time": "19:23", "text": "I think one's life experiences and events are an outcome of the people you meet." }, { "end_time": "19:28", "start_time": "19:27", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "19:28", "start_time": "19:28", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "19:29", "start_time": "19:28", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "19:33", "start_time": "19:29", "text": "And you're saying that the guru, Tatva, is actually pushing all those people to your life." }, { "end_time": "19:33", "start_time": "19:33", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "19:36", "start_time": "19:33", "text": "You create a kind of a field, and you're attracting those people." }, { "end_time": "19:44", "start_time": "19:36", "text": "Some of these people are the ones that you need to finish your karma with, and some of these people are progressive and evolutionary for you." }, { "end_time": "19:45", "start_time": "19:45", "text": "Gotcha." }, { "end_time": "19:47", "start_time": "19:46", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "19:52", "start_time": "19:47", "text": "You would also say that the books you read, you know, the kind of Everything is a part of it." }, { "end_time": "19:56", "start_time": "19:53", "text": "Like, sometimes and this happens to a lot of people who are spiritually inclined." }, { "end_time": "20:01", "start_time": "19:56", "text": "You'll just be scrolling through your YouTube feed, and you'll constantly get a particular guru's Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:03", "start_time": "20:01", "text": "Stuff recommended on Instagram, on YouTube." }, { "end_time": "20:03", "start_time": "20:03", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "20:05", "start_time": "20:03", "text": "And then something resonates with you." }, { "end_time": "20:05", "start_time": "20:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:07", "start_time": "20:05", "text": "You're saying that all this is guru." }, { "end_time": "20:10", "start_time": "20:08", "text": "Everything is is working automatically." }, { "end_time": "20:13", "start_time": "20:10", "text": "So it's the the AI, what people are trying to do." }, { "end_time": "20:16", "start_time": "20:13", "text": "And in the in the gross world today, this AI is already there." }, { "end_time": "20:22", "start_time": "20:20", "text": "It's just the nature of reality that what we see around us." }, { "end_time": "20:23", "start_time": "20:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:26", "start_time": "20:23", "text": "There's a layer that we see, and then there's lots of layers that we don't see." }, { "end_time": "20:26", "start_time": "20:26", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "20:27", "start_time": "20:26", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "20:33", "start_time": "20:28", "text": "As one moves forward on the spiritual journey, you're unlocking some more of those unseen layers." }, { "end_time": "20:33", "start_time": "20:33", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "20:34", "start_time": "20:33", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "20:34", "start_time": "20:34", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "20:36", "start_time": "20:35", "text": "Back to your story." }, { "end_time": "20:42", "start_time": "20:37", "text": "When you got into all those healing techniques, I'm assuming you're talking about pranic healing, reiki." }, { "end_time": "20:42", "start_time": "20:42", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "20:43", "start_time": "20:42", "text": "A lot of them." }, { "end_time": "20:44", "start_time": "20:43", "text": "A lot of them." }, { "end_time": "20:45", "start_time": "20:44", "text": "Many of them." }, { "end_time": "20:47", "start_time": "20:46", "text": "It helped me." }, { "end_time": "20:51", "start_time": "20:47", "text": "Different forms of touch healing as as well as intention healing." }, { "end_time": "20:52", "start_time": "20:51", "text": "It it helped me." }, { "end_time": "20:53", "start_time": "20:52", "text": "Obviously, it was my interest." }, { "end_time": "20:56", "start_time": "20:54", "text": "So as you heal, you heal yourself." }, { "end_time": "20:56", "start_time": "20:56", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "21:03", "start_time": "20:56", "text": "As you help people with issues and you heal yourself, and you may not know specifically what healing you require." }, { "end_time": "21:05", "start_time": "21:03", "text": "For instance, I've always been a very happy person." }, { "end_time": "21:07", "start_time": "21:05", "text": "I've never been a sad person ever in my life." }, { "end_time": "21:12", "start_time": "21:07", "text": "I've always been very happy, minus the childhood moments that are there." }, { "end_time": "21:14", "start_time": "21:12", "text": "But as a grown up, I've always chosen to be happy." }, { "end_time": "21:17", "start_time": "21:15", "text": "I would choose to look at the light and not at the dark." }, { "end_time": "21:19", "start_time": "21:17", "text": "So I've been a happy person." }, { "end_time": "21:22", "start_time": "21:19", "text": "So I never identified any kind of healing that I required." }, { "end_time": "21:29", "start_time": "21:22", "text": "But I understand at this age, there were different layers of healing that was required, and that's why you become a healer." }, { "end_time": "21:31", "start_time": "21:29", "text": "And you talk to all kinds of people." }, { "end_time": "21:32", "start_time": "21:31", "text": "You hear their suffering." }, { "end_time": "21:33", "start_time": "21:32", "text": "You deal with them." }, { "end_time": "21:34", "start_time": "21:33", "text": "You give them solutions." }, { "end_time": "21:40", "start_time": "21:35", "text": "Sincerely, you work with your heart and intentions, and there's something that is divinizing inside of you." }, { "end_time": "21:41", "start_time": "21:40", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "21:44", "start_time": "21:41", "text": "And and then you then you want don't wanna be a healer anymore." }, { "end_time": "21:45", "start_time": "21:45", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "21:51", "start_time": "21:45", "text": "You come to a stage where you don't wanna be a healer anymore because you've already fallen into the lap of God by then." }, { "end_time": "21:54", "start_time": "21:52", "text": "Can you elaborate that, Toni?" }, { "end_time": "22:06", "start_time": "21:54", "text": "It's like you are amazed that sometimes I might not have so, so sincerely or so beautifully healed someone, but the other person has got healed." }, { "end_time": "22:09", "start_time": "22:06", "text": "Let's say, for example, I know I'm not worked so hard." }, { "end_time": "22:16", "start_time": "22:09", "text": "I I know I'm not giving her so much a feeling, but I see a major transformation in her, and she's so full of gratitude to me." }, { "end_time": "22:18", "start_time": "22:16", "text": "And then I have this question in my heart." }, { "end_time": "22:19", "start_time": "22:18", "text": "I didn't do anything." }, { "end_time": "22:20", "start_time": "22:19", "text": "Who did this?" }, { "end_time": "22:21", "start_time": "22:21", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "22:33", "start_time": "22:21", "text": "And then you see the unseen power working through you because only because you have a golden heart and you really wish something good for someone and something is really channeled through you, which is miraculous and beautiful." }, { "end_time": "22:35", "start_time": "22:33", "text": "You know what an empty vessel you are." }, { "end_time": "22:38", "start_time": "22:36", "text": "You know that abilities are not yours." }, { "end_time": "22:41", "start_time": "22:38", "text": "You know that the words that are flowing through your mouth are not yours." }, { "end_time": "22:49", "start_time": "22:42", "text": "You know that you've been an instrument to something very divine, and then you understand start understanding god." }, { "end_time": "22:55", "start_time": "22:49", "text": "And when you fall into the lap of god, I think that's one of the most comfortable things to happen to any human being." }, { "end_time": "23:01", "start_time": "22:55", "text": "It's like you're looked after, you are hugged, and you're completely surrounded by God, mesmerized by God." }, { "end_time": "23:03", "start_time": "23:02", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "23:08", "start_time": "23:03", "text": "So on this journey, I have my ideals are maybe you could you can understand me better if I share this with you." }, { "end_time": "23:10", "start_time": "23:08", "text": "I love Tookara Maharaj." }, { "end_time": "23:14", "start_time": "23:11", "text": "He was so always so mesmerized with Vittala." }, { "end_time": "23:15", "start_time": "23:14", "text": "I love Mirabai." }, { "end_time": "23:19", "start_time": "23:15", "text": "I love, you know, Raman Maharshi." }, { "end_time": "23:24", "start_time": "23:19", "text": "Not not caring anything about who is coming to shoot me or who's come coming to interview me." }, { "end_time": "23:27", "start_time": "23:24", "text": "He's just sitting in his, up there on the mountain." }, { "end_time": "23:28", "start_time": "23:27", "text": "To me, these are my idol." }, { "end_time": "23:31", "start_time": "23:28", "text": "And I follow I try to follow that kind of life." }, { "end_time": "23:32", "start_time": "23:31", "text": "Did you know all this in your twenties?" }, { "end_time": "23:35", "start_time": "23:33", "text": "I know, but I couldn't say." }, { "end_time": "23:39", "start_time": "23:36", "text": "I think I know because it is so close to my heart of feeling." }, { "end_time": "23:43", "start_time": "23:40", "text": "I've had very, very beautiful experiences with nature." }, { "end_time": "23:47", "start_time": "23:43", "text": "You know, with nature, like, I'm sitting on a swing and singing." }, { "end_time": "23:50", "start_time": "23:47", "text": "I'm not a very good singer, but I love to sing." }, { "end_time": "23:51", "start_time": "23:50", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "23:59", "start_time": "23:51", "text": "So I'm I'm singing something, and then I'm saying, and I see a dahlia turn the face like that." }, { "end_time": "24:01", "start_time": "23:59", "text": "I see a flower turn the face like that." }, { "end_time": "24:03", "start_time": "24:01", "text": "I've seen small little miracles in my life." }, { "end_time": "24:06", "start_time": "24:03", "text": "They are, like, very touching and very beautiful." }, { "end_time": "24:09", "start_time": "24:07", "text": "That confirmed guru Tatwa around me." }, { "end_time": "24:10", "start_time": "24:09", "text": "It confirms guru Tatwa." }, { "end_time": "24:13", "start_time": "24:11", "text": "So nice being in your presence." }, { "end_time": "24:13", "start_time": "24:13", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "24:15", "start_time": "24:13", "text": "At the start of this podcast, I was almost about to cry." }, { "end_time": "24:16", "start_time": "24:15", "text": "I don't know why." }, { "end_time": "24:19", "start_time": "24:17", "text": "It's all your years of healing." }, { "end_time": "24:20", "start_time": "24:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:23", "start_time": "24:21", "text": "I think it flows through 1." }, { "end_time": "24:23", "start_time": "24:23", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "24:26", "start_time": "24:23", "text": "Like, if you've been at practice Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:30", "start_time": "24:26", "text": "For so long, then it it starts flowing through your in your presence." }, { "end_time": "24:30", "start_time": "24:30", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "24:39", "start_time": "24:33", "text": "You're clearly in a very systemized form of practice at this stage." }, { "end_time": "24:39", "start_time": "24:39", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "24:40", "start_time": "24:39", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "24:42", "start_time": "24:40", "text": "That is a goal for me in life." }, { "end_time": "24:42", "start_time": "24:42", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "24:50", "start_time": "24:43", "text": "I tell my loved ones, my friends, my teammates that I don't see myself being a YouTuber in my forties and my fifties." }, { "end_time": "24:59", "start_time": "24:51", "text": "I'm doing this as a form of duty because I honestly feel I've done some wrong stuff in my past lives, and I'm just making up for it at this point." }, { "end_time": "25:02", "start_time": "24:59", "text": "Chosen by you're chosen by the divine to do this, Ranbir." }, { "end_time": "25:03", "start_time": "25:02", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "25:07", "start_time": "25:03", "text": "I say, for instance, I tell my students, I don't see myself teaching and doing all this after 5 years." }, { "end_time": "25:14", "start_time": "25:08", "text": "I want to you know, the ideas that I have, I wanna just sit and just be and just be in meditation." }, { "end_time": "25:16", "start_time": "25:14", "text": "But they say, ma'am, who will teach us then?" }, { "end_time": "25:17", "start_time": "25:17", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "25:19", "start_time": "25:17", "text": "So you chosen to do this." }, { "end_time": "25:22", "start_time": "25:19", "text": "And so for as long as god wants you to do this, you should do it." }, { "end_time": "25:24", "start_time": "25:22", "text": "Happily do it as a sadhana." }, { "end_time": "25:25", "start_time": "25:24", "text": "It's a sadhana." }, { "end_time": "25:32", "start_time": "25:25", "text": "You know, when we take our work, we can do our work at 3 different levels, alright, according to me." }, { "end_time": "25:40", "start_time": "25:32", "text": "The lowest level is the grossest level where you're doing it as a money earning thing and, you know, pay pay all that." }, { "end_time": "25:47", "start_time": "25:40", "text": "At the second level, we love something, and it gives you high on your ego and a a real good which happens to all of us." }, { "end_time": "25:49", "start_time": "25:47", "text": "At this moment, it's happening to you and me." }, { "end_time": "25:50", "start_time": "25:49", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "25:56", "start_time": "25:50", "text": "And the 3rd level where you divinize your work, and you make your work your company as a god." }, { "end_time": "25:58", "start_time": "25:56", "text": "You see, it it's a spirit." }, { "end_time": "26:00", "start_time": "25:58", "text": "When you have a company, you have your biceps." }, { "end_time": "26:06", "start_time": "26:01", "text": "It's a company and you have already embodied the spirit in that company." }, { "end_time": "26:07", "start_time": "26:06", "text": "So it's a living entity." }, { "end_time": "26:13", "start_time": "26:08", "text": "Now when you are subservient to this company, you're almost serving god." }, { "end_time": "26:18", "start_time": "26:14", "text": "And then let god decide to how long you would do this." }, { "end_time": "26:24", "start_time": "26:18", "text": "You do it as a sadhana, then it will give you, I mean, immeasurable fruits inside." }, { "end_time": "26:25", "start_time": "26:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:26", "start_time": "26:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:33", "start_time": "26:27", "text": "Ma'am, like like, it's been a very difficult couple of months." }, { "end_time": "26:33", "start_time": "26:33", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "26:41", "start_time": "26:34", "text": "And it's been the most glorious year from, like, a material perspective, from an adulation based perspective." }, { "end_time": "26:43", "start_time": "26:41", "text": "Like, we were awarded by the PM." }, { "end_time": "26:46", "start_time": "26:43", "text": "And then when it had that happened, I didn't realize what was happening." }, { "end_time": "26:47", "start_time": "26:46", "text": "Yesterday, somebody told this to me." }, { "end_time": "26:48", "start_time": "26:47", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:52", "start_time": "26:48", "text": "And just over the year, I've seen what an adulation oriented year it is." }, { "end_time": "26:53", "start_time": "26:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:57", "start_time": "26:53", "text": "But it's been a difficult year in terms of I've torn my knee ligament right now and very randomly Oh." }, { "end_time": "26:59", "start_time": "26:57", "text": "Life has been difficult." }, { "end_time": "27:02", "start_time": "26:59", "text": "And in this job, we were doing podcast for a living." }, { "end_time": "27:09", "start_time": "27:02", "text": "So much of it is dependent on luck, in terms of who are the guests sent to you, who are the people sent to your life." }, { "end_time": "27:11", "start_time": "27:09", "text": "Everything is dependent on luck." }, { "end_time": "27:11", "start_time": "27:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:19", "start_time": "27:13", "text": "People think they're they're jotting down their pointers and bullets, and they're moving their steps on the bullets correctly." }, { "end_time": "27:23", "start_time": "27:19", "text": "And they have planned it right, done it right, and been there." }, { "end_time": "27:24", "start_time": "27:23", "text": "It's not like this." }, { "end_time": "27:30", "start_time": "27:25", "text": "Everything is dependent on this absolute, fathomless you know, there there's a different plan." }, { "end_time": "27:38", "start_time": "27:30", "text": "Now we said the sentence that I often use is that under the folds of doing, there's a sure and certain process of happening." }, { "end_time": "27:44", "start_time": "27:38", "text": "On the on the on the surface, you feel you're doing you're rowing the boat and you're you're doing everything." }, { "end_time": "27:49", "start_time": "27:44", "text": "But there's a sure certain process of happening underneath, and that's actually the flow." }, { "end_time": "27:52", "start_time": "27:51", "text": "All you can do is give you a 100%." }, { "end_time": "27:53", "start_time": "27:52", "text": "Give you a 100%." }, { "end_time": "27:55", "start_time": "27:53", "text": "Surrender to the flow of life." }, { "end_time": "28:07", "start_time": "27:57", "text": "What I want to genuinely confess is this year, I found myself falling at god's feet and saying thank you." }, { "end_time": "28:13", "start_time": "28:07", "text": "Just, you know, sometimes not even feeling worthy of the adulation and, like, the results." }, { "end_time": "28:16", "start_time": "28:14", "text": "And there are other days where no." }, { "end_time": "28:19", "start_time": "28:16", "text": "I genuinely feel one's relationship with the divine is very subjective." }, { "end_time": "28:21", "start_time": "28:20", "text": "Like Yes." }, { "end_time": "28:21", "start_time": "28:21", "text": "It is." }, { "end_time": "28:22", "start_time": "28:21", "text": "For someone, god is a mother." }, { "end_time": "28:23", "start_time": "28:22", "text": "For someone, god is a father." }, { "end_time": "28:25", "start_time": "28:23", "text": "For someone, it's a brother." }, { "end_time": "28:26", "start_time": "28:25", "text": "For me, it's like an elder brother." }, { "end_time": "28:27", "start_time": "28:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:28", "start_time": "28:27", "text": "Like, that's how I always looked at." }, { "end_time": "28:28", "start_time": "28:28", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "28:33", "start_time": "28:29", "text": "So I think that in brotherhood, you're allowed to be a little upset sometimes with a brother." }, { "end_time": "28:36", "start_time": "28:33", "text": "You can You can crib." }, { "end_time": "28:36", "start_time": "28:36", "text": "You can cry." }, { "end_time": "28:37", "start_time": "28:36", "text": "You can laugh." }, { "end_time": "28:38", "start_time": "28:37", "text": "You can joke." }, { "end_time": "28:39", "start_time": "28:38", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "28:45", "start_time": "28:39", "text": "So this whole year has been a swing between falling at God's feet and being upset with my brother." }, { "end_time": "28:46", "start_time": "28:45", "text": "Like, that why are you doing this?" }, { "end_time": "28:47", "start_time": "28:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:48", "start_time": "28:47", "text": "Like, you know, I know this is you at play." }, { "end_time": "28:50", "start_time": "28:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:52", "start_time": "28:50", "text": "And and it's not been, like, easy situations." }, { "end_time": "28:54", "start_time": "28:52", "text": "It's been, like, you know, this is an injury." }, { "end_time": "28:57", "start_time": "28:54", "text": "It was so painful, like, even on a psychological level." }, { "end_time": "29:00", "start_time": "28:57", "text": "And then similar work injuries have happened." }, { "end_time": "29:01", "start_time": "29:00", "text": "I'm just like, what's up?" }, { "end_time": "29:02", "start_time": "29:01", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "29:03", "start_time": "29:02", "text": "Like, it's not that I'm a bad person." }, { "end_time": "29:05", "start_time": "29:04", "text": "Why is this happening?" }, { "end_time": "29:08", "start_time": "29:05", "text": "So not able to, like, come to stability." }, { "end_time": "29:09", "start_time": "29:08", "text": "With it." }, { "end_time": "29:09", "start_time": "29:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:11", "start_time": "29:09", "text": "Have you had phases like this?" }, { "end_time": "29:12", "start_time": "29:11", "text": "Everybody has." }, { "end_time": "29:14", "start_time": "29:12", "text": "But I've never looked at them as negative phases." }, { "end_time": "29:30", "start_time": "29:14", "text": "See, the faith in god should be so unflinching and unwavering and so sure that when you are when you're making a dish and you're putting chilies in the oil and frying them, it's bound to give you some smell." }, { "end_time": "29:34", "start_time": "29:30", "text": "Similarly, you put hing, and it's bound to give you smell." }, { "end_time": "29:37", "start_time": "29:34", "text": "So there's there's a dish God is making out of you." }, { "end_time": "29:45", "start_time": "29:37", "text": "And there there are certain spices he's gonna put there to make you the perfect beautiful you that he wants you to be." }, { "end_time": "29:52", "start_time": "29:45", "text": "So when you're in 100% surrender, you allow, you know, the the beautiful things to happen to you or the unbeautiful things to happen to you." }, { "end_time": "29:56", "start_time": "29:53", "text": "There was a very beautiful joke that someone said one day to me." }, { "end_time": "29:57", "start_time": "29:56", "text": "Can I share it with you?" }, { "end_time": "29:57", "start_time": "29:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:58", "start_time": "29:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:00", "start_time": "29:58", "text": "A very ordinary village man shared this with me." }, { "end_time": "30:08", "start_time": "30:01", "text": "There was a bus with passengers, traveling in the hills, and the bus falls down the valley." }, { "end_time": "30:09", "start_time": "30:08", "text": "Everybody dies." }, { "end_time": "30:10", "start_time": "30:09", "text": "There's only one survivor." }, { "end_time": "30:13", "start_time": "30:11", "text": "So the media throngs." }, { "end_time": "30:13", "start_time": "30:13", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "30:15", "start_time": "30:13", "text": "They they all catch him." }, { "end_time": "30:17", "start_time": "30:15", "text": "How did you manage to survive?" }, { "end_time": "30:18", "start_time": "30:17", "text": "Everybody has died." }, { "end_time": "30:20", "start_time": "30:18", "text": "How did you manage to survive?" }, { "end_time": "30:22", "start_time": "30:20", "text": "And the man is blushing." }, { "end_time": "30:22", "start_time": "30:22", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "30:24", "start_time": "30:22", "text": "He doesn't know where to look and how to answer." }, { "end_time": "30:26", "start_time": "30:24", "text": "He said, do you want me to tell the truth?" }, { "end_time": "30:27", "start_time": "30:26", "text": "He said, yes." }, { "end_time": "30:31", "start_time": "30:27", "text": "He said, I was drunk, and bus was going like this." }, { "end_time": "30:32", "start_time": "30:31", "text": "I was falling like this." }, { "end_time": "30:33", "start_time": "30:32", "text": "The bus was going like this." }, { "end_time": "30:36", "start_time": "30:33", "text": "I was falling like this, and I don't know how I was saved." }, { "end_time": "30:38", "start_time": "30:37", "text": "So intoxicated." }, { "end_time": "30:41", "start_time": "30:38", "text": "When you got intoxicated, let loose." }, { "end_time": "30:43", "start_time": "30:42", "text": "Let things happen." }, { "end_time": "30:52", "start_time": "30:43", "text": "If something has to be discarded, let it be discarded, including your own people sometimes, including someone you really love or someone you really attached to." }, { "end_time": "30:57", "start_time": "30:52", "text": "If you really believe in god, then you should be 100% wedded to god." }, { "end_time": "30:59", "start_time": "30:58", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "31:04", "start_time": "30:59", "text": "So wedded that whatever moments he's creating in your life is for your good." }, { "end_time": "31:06", "start_time": "31:04", "text": "Their certitude, it should be written on your forehead." }, { "end_time": "31:08", "start_time": "31:07", "text": "He's doing I'm under work." }, { "end_time": "31:09", "start_time": "31:08", "text": "I'm under construction." }, { "end_time": "31:10", "start_time": "31:10", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "31:16", "start_time": "31:10", "text": "And and the best possible creation can happen only when I allow the chiseling process." }, { "end_time": "31:18", "start_time": "31:18", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:20", "start_time": "31:18", "text": "What chiseling is happening at your stage?" }, { "end_time": "31:21", "start_time": "31:20", "text": "At my stage?" }, { "end_time": "31:22", "start_time": "31:21", "text": "At the moment, nothing." }, { "end_time": "31:24", "start_time": "31:22", "text": "I'm in 6th 7th, 7th, 7th." }, { "end_time": "31:27", "start_time": "31:24", "text": "I think it happened what had to happen." }, { "end_time": "31:27", "start_time": "31:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:31", "start_time": "31:28", "text": "How did you get from that phase to this phase?" }, { "end_time": "31:33", "start_time": "31:32", "text": "I was so bored intoxicated." }, { "end_time": "31:35", "start_time": "31:34", "text": "I don't know how I survived." }, { "end_time": "31:40", "start_time": "31:37", "text": "I'm asking your human side the next question." }, { "end_time": "31:41", "start_time": "31:40", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "31:41", "start_time": "31:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:44", "start_time": "31:41", "text": "What's been the most difficult thing that's happened in your life?" }, { "end_time": "31:46", "start_time": "31:45", "text": "Actually, nothing." }, { "end_time": "31:47", "start_time": "31:46", "text": "I'm telling you." }, { "end_time": "31:53", "start_time": "31:47", "text": "I mean, if you look back, there were huge challenges, but I don't remember any difficulty." }, { "end_time": "31:55", "start_time": "31:54", "text": "It's because of the surrender." }, { "end_time": "31:57", "start_time": "31:55", "text": "I've always been very surrendered." }, { "end_time": "32:10", "start_time": "31:57", "text": "And the the thing that happened used to happen with me for instance, if I have a financial crisis, let's say, which which made many times I've gone through that in my adulthood as well as, you know, financial crisis." }, { "end_time": "32:12", "start_time": "32:11", "text": "Let's say." }, { "end_time": "32:16", "start_time": "32:12", "text": "Are you going to do something or how is it going to happen the next day and you're wondering?" }, { "end_time": "32:22", "start_time": "32:18", "text": "My head would start churning creative ideas, a million ideas." }, { "end_time": "32:24", "start_time": "32:22", "text": "You know, I'm a good cook." }, { "end_time": "32:26", "start_time": "32:24", "text": "I would always think of my sandwiches, banalundi." }, { "end_time": "32:27", "start_time": "32:26", "text": "I can survive." }, { "end_time": "32:28", "start_time": "32:27", "text": "I can make pakoras." }, { "end_time": "32:29", "start_time": "32:28", "text": "I can survive." }, { "end_time": "32:30", "start_time": "32:29", "text": "You know, I can put up a shop somewhere." }, { "end_time": "32:31", "start_time": "32:30", "text": "I can survive." }, { "end_time": "32:35", "start_time": "32:32", "text": "So the not surviving idea never bothered me." }, { "end_time": "32:40", "start_time": "32:36", "text": "I don't have anything today, but it was never a difficulty for me." }, { "end_time": "32:45", "start_time": "32:41", "text": "So god has given me that state of mind because he lives in my mind." }, { "end_time": "32:51", "start_time": "32:46", "text": "He he makes me think very positively and very constructively and creatively all the time." }, { "end_time": "32:54", "start_time": "32:51", "text": "For instance, when I came to Rishikir, I had nothing with me." }, { "end_time": "32:57", "start_time": "32:54", "text": "This was 15 years back, 16 years back." }, { "end_time": "32:58", "start_time": "32:57", "text": "I had absolutely nothing with me." }, { "end_time": "33:05", "start_time": "32:58", "text": "I left all my assets, family, everything, and I just came with a bag, very Filmy style, the bag." }, { "end_time": "33:10", "start_time": "33:05", "text": "To another new town, I changed my name, and nobody knows this name." }, { "end_time": "33:11", "start_time": "33:10", "text": "So my practices were finished." }, { "end_time": "33:13", "start_time": "33:12", "text": "I was a well known person." }, { "end_time": "33:17", "start_time": "33:13", "text": "You know, you your Ranveer is supposed to model you name yourself Shailesh." }, { "end_time": "33:19", "start_time": "33:17", "text": "Nobody knows who Shailesh." }, { "end_time": "33:19", "start_time": "33:19", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "33:23", "start_time": "33:20", "text": "So your name becomes your asset after a while." }, { "end_time": "33:25", "start_time": "33:23", "text": "So I left everything, and I came." }, { "end_time": "33:26", "start_time": "33:25", "text": "And I was 0." }, { "end_time": "33:27", "start_time": "33:27", "text": "0." }, { "end_time": "33:28", "start_time": "33:27", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "33:31", "start_time": "33:28", "text": "So I had many miracles in my life." }, { "end_time": "33:32", "start_time": "33:31", "text": "Many miracles." }, { "end_time": "33:33", "start_time": "33:32", "text": "I can write a book on that." }, { "end_time": "33:42", "start_time": "33:35", "text": "So down the line 6 months down the line, I had a piece of land that was gifted to me by a yogi I never met in my life." }, { "end_time": "33:47", "start_time": "33:43", "text": "He knew me from my past life, you know, and he gifted this place to me." }, { "end_time": "33:56", "start_time": "33:47", "text": "He left the keys of that small piece of land with a jewelry, you know, like a like a, to his friend, and he said that this woman would come." }, { "end_time": "33:58", "start_time": "33:56", "text": "I would want you to give place to her." }, { "end_time": "34:01", "start_time": "33:58", "text": "And I met this person through someone someone, and I was gifted this land." }, { "end_time": "34:04", "start_time": "34:01", "text": "To cut the show story short, I had a land with me." }, { "end_time": "34:08", "start_time": "34:05", "text": "I had a small cottage there, but I didn't have money to even renovate it." }, { "end_time": "34:14", "start_time": "34:09", "text": "So I was sitting by the Ganga one day, and I was telling her, boss, I have nothing with me." }, { "end_time": "34:17", "start_time": "34:14", "text": "How do I even have 10,000 to build a to build a wall?" }, { "end_time": "34:22", "start_time": "34:18", "text": "And, I saw a old couple coming out of the water that day, my neighbors." }, { "end_time": "34:25", "start_time": "34:22", "text": "I was living in a rented apartment at that time in Rishikesh." }, { "end_time": "34:29", "start_time": "34:27", "text": "I said, why are you taking a dip in the evening?" }, { "end_time": "34:30", "start_time": "34:29", "text": "You'll catch cold." }, { "end_time": "34:32", "start_time": "34:30", "text": "So he said it's Ganga Deshara today." }, { "end_time": "34:35", "start_time": "34:33", "text": "You're not doing any pooja." }, { "end_time": "34:36", "start_time": "34:35", "text": "I felt so ashamed of myself." }, { "end_time": "34:39", "start_time": "34:36", "text": "I told Ganga ji that this is really too much." }, { "end_time": "34:43", "start_time": "34:39", "text": "Why am I even thinking about 10,000 and this and that and that?" }, { "end_time": "34:49", "start_time": "34:43", "text": "I said, all I need is some money to build that place so that I can go and stay there, and I can build my hermitage." }, { "end_time": "34:57", "start_time": "34:50", "text": "And at that moment, I used to wear 2 diamond tops because I I've lived a very good lifestyle before." }, { "end_time": "35:00", "start_time": "34:58", "text": "I just removed them, and I gave it to Gangaji." }, { "end_time": "35:03", "start_time": "35:00", "text": "I said, this is all I have, but I don't wanna sell them." }, { "end_time": "35:04", "start_time": "35:03", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "35:05", "start_time": "35:04", "text": "And I gave them to Gangaji." }, { "end_time": "35:07", "start_time": "35:05", "text": "You put it in the Gangaji?" }, { "end_time": "35:07", "start_time": "35:07", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "35:08", "start_time": "35:07", "text": "Offered it to her." }, { "end_time": "35:09", "start_time": "35:08", "text": "This is your birthday today." }, { "end_time": "35:13", "start_time": "35:09", "text": "This is all I have to offer, and now you see take care of what I want to do." }, { "end_time": "35:16", "start_time": "35:13", "text": "That day evening, when I went after my Gangla, they're showing to my apartment." }, { "end_time": "35:18", "start_time": "35:16", "text": "I had 5 students waiting for me." }, { "end_time": "35:20", "start_time": "35:18", "text": "They wanted to study something with me." }, { "end_time": "35:23", "start_time": "35:20", "text": "I I I do 1 on 1 retreats, and I do in house retreats." }, { "end_time": "35:26", "start_time": "35:23", "text": "I host people in my house, and I teach them." }, { "end_time": "35:31", "start_time": "35:26", "text": "So they were waiting for me, and they had a bag of money to give me." }, { "end_time": "35:32", "start_time": "35:31", "text": "I started my work." }, { "end_time": "35:35", "start_time": "35:32", "text": "From that day, there's no looking back to this day." }, { "end_time": "35:37", "start_time": "35:35", "text": "We have a beautiful hermitage today." }, { "end_time": "35:39", "start_time": "35:37", "text": "There's a beautiful temple." }, { "end_time": "35:39", "start_time": "35:39", "text": "Everything." }, { "end_time": "35:41", "start_time": "35:39", "text": "So everything is taken care of, Ranveer." }, { "end_time": "35:43", "start_time": "35:41", "text": "I really believe in this." }, { "end_time": "35:48", "start_time": "35:43", "text": "It's only the ego self, the the not unreal self." }, { "end_time": "35:58", "start_time": "35:48", "text": "When the unreal self takes the doership and when it thinks that it has to plan or do, things don't happen the way God wants it to happen." }, { "end_time": "36:03", "start_time": "35:58", "text": "Because you yourself are an obstruction to the to to the process of happening." }, { "end_time": "36:03", "start_time": "36:03", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "36:04", "start_time": "36:04", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "36:07", "start_time": "36:04", "text": "You're an obstruction to the process of happening." }, { "end_time": "36:16", "start_time": "36:07", "text": "If you're intoxicated in the flow of life and you are absolutely completely devoted, dedicated, believe you, me, the journey is beautiful." }, { "end_time": "36:24", "start_time": "36:16", "text": "And I don't think you'll ever recall 20 years from now, Ranveer, you'll be more intoxicated than now, and you will never recall any difficulty." }, { "end_time": "36:30", "start_time": "36:26", "text": "All you'll remember is this is this beauty and grace that you're living in." }, { "end_time": "36:35", "start_time": "36:30", "text": "I was about to ask you from a very podcasting perspective that, yes, ma'am." }, { "end_time": "36:39", "start_time": "36:35", "text": "I understand exactly what you're saying about increasing one's bhakti and Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:43", "start_time": "36:39", "text": "You know, love for God and, faith Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:45", "start_time": "36:43", "text": "In the divine's plan." }, { "end_time": "36:54", "start_time": "36:46", "text": "But, my angle with the question was going to be, how can one actually cultivate that within oneself?" }, { "end_time": "37:01", "start_time": "36:55", "text": "Then I went back to age 26, 27 when I was going through some difficult times of a different nature." }, { "end_time": "37:10", "start_time": "37:01", "text": "And I would go to my YSS Ashram in Wadala in Mumbai, and, the people there would, like, uplift me in different ways." }, { "end_time": "37:10", "start_time": "37:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "37:10", "start_time": "37:10", "text": "Who's doing that?" }, { "end_time": "37:15", "start_time": "37:10", "text": "People are nothing but it makes a 10,000 instruments." }, { "end_time": "37:20", "start_time": "37:16", "text": "Animal can come and lick you and can hug you, and it's God's love." }, { "end_time": "37:23", "start_time": "37:20", "text": "He doesn't he is not a solid form." }, { "end_time": "37:25", "start_time": "37:23", "text": "His conscious consciousness is just there." }, { "end_time": "37:28", "start_time": "37:25", "text": "It'll use all the things around you to give you comfort." }, { "end_time": "37:29", "start_time": "37:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "37:35", "start_time": "37:30", "text": "Even, like, through the show when I meet people like yourself, I don't know the exact word." }, { "end_time": "37:35", "start_time": "37:35", "text": "Sangati?" }, { "end_time": "37:36", "start_time": "37:36", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "37:37", "start_time": "37:36", "text": "Sangati." }, { "end_time": "37:37", "start_time": "37:37", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "37:37", "start_time": "37:37", "text": "Satsang." }, { "end_time": "37:38", "start_time": "37:38", "text": "Satsang." }, { "end_time": "37:39", "start_time": "37:38", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "37:45", "start_time": "37:39", "text": "I've realized that in one spiritual journey, again, we spoke Gurudattu some time ago, but it's the friends you meet along the way." }, { "end_time": "37:46", "start_time": "37:45", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "37:54", "start_time": "37:46", "text": "You know, not everyone's a guru, but there can be a lot of spiritual friends who can visit your life and just lift you when you need that little bit of lifting." }, { "end_time": "37:57", "start_time": "37:55", "text": "That's a big part of everyone's journey." }, { "end_time": "37:57", "start_time": "37:57", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "37:58", "start_time": "37:57", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "38:00", "start_time": "37:58", "text": "That's why I'm assuming Sadhu's club together." }, { "end_time": "38:01", "start_time": "38:00", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "38:01", "start_time": "38:01", "text": "So Sangati." }, { "end_time": "38:02", "start_time": "38:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "38:07", "start_time": "38:03", "text": "So thank you for visiting my life because it's just this this conversation." }, { "end_time": "38:13", "start_time": "38:08", "text": "Like, I knew I knew last night that this is going to be a very important conversation for me." }, { "end_time": "38:13", "start_time": "38:13", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "38:15", "start_time": "38:14", "text": "Do you have anything to say?" }, { "end_time": "38:16", "start_time": "38:15", "text": "About this, Sussangati?" }, { "end_time": "38:17", "start_time": "38:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "38:18", "start_time": "38:17", "text": "Why why are we meeting?" }, { "end_time": "38:19", "start_time": "38:19", "text": "Why are we meeting?" }, { "end_time": "38:20", "start_time": "38:19", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "38:23", "start_time": "38:20", "text": "It's pre predestined, pre, preconceived, predestined." }, { "end_time": "38:25", "start_time": "38:24", "text": "But I don't I didn't know you." }, { "end_time": "38:26", "start_time": "38:25", "text": "You didn't know me." }, { "end_time": "38:27", "start_time": "38:26", "text": "Now why we here?" }, { "end_time": "38:30", "start_time": "38:27", "text": "We are we are here because it's a part of a master plan." }, { "end_time": "38:41", "start_time": "38:30", "text": "You know, the changes that have to happen in your mind or the changes that have to happen in my mind and the changes we both become instrumental in creating in people's mind, this is all a part of master plan." }, { "end_time": "38:43", "start_time": "38:41", "text": "So we're flowing with it." }, { "end_time": "38:43", "start_time": "38:43", "text": "That's it." }, { "end_time": "38:45", "start_time": "38:44", "text": "Let's flow more Yes." }, { "end_time": "38:47", "start_time": "38:45", "text": "Back into your twenties thirties." }, { "end_time": "38:47", "start_time": "38:47", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "38:49", "start_time": "38:48", "text": "Continue the story, ma'am." }, { "end_time": "38:52", "start_time": "38:49", "text": "So you transitioned from, healing." }, { "end_time": "38:54", "start_time": "38:52", "text": "You know, we were talking about healing." }, { "end_time": "38:54", "start_time": "38:54", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "38:57", "start_time": "38:54", "text": "From healing into, coming back to my roots." }, { "end_time": "39:07", "start_time": "38:57", "text": "So, western therapies lot of western therapies, shamanic therapies, oriental eastern therapies, you know, Japanese and Chinese." }, { "end_time": "39:13", "start_time": "39:07", "text": "And all of these having explored, I also explored a lot of tantric, methods, you know, of healing." }, { "end_time": "39:17", "start_time": "39:13", "text": "We have lot of you know, Theravada is full of, occult and mysticism." }, { "end_time": "39:18", "start_time": "39:18", "text": "Like what?" }, { "end_time": "39:20", "start_time": "39:19", "text": "I'll come to it." }, { "end_time": "39:25", "start_time": "39:20", "text": "So having explored all that and it's all for helping people and doing things." }, { "end_time": "39:25", "start_time": "39:25", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "39:30", "start_time": "39:25", "text": "Like, you make a or you make a vibrational medicine or you, pack up something." }, { "end_time": "39:37", "start_time": "39:30", "text": "You write something and pack up something, and you make it like an amulet for people to I did all this in my in my healing journey." }, { "end_time": "39:46", "start_time": "39:38", "text": "And then in in the early nineties, like I said, my attention came into the Vedantic roots, you know, our roots." }, { "end_time": "39:53", "start_time": "39:47", "text": "And I found the this exploration going all over the world to all the different cultures." }, { "end_time": "39:59", "start_time": "39:54", "text": "All of these have had roots here in in the Vedantic, you know, literature and tradition." }, { "end_time": "40:02", "start_time": "40:00", "text": "So I got into learning and reading." }, { "end_time": "40:07", "start_time": "40:03", "text": "I did a lot of reading a lot of reading from 91 to 95." }, { "end_time": "40:12", "start_time": "40:07", "text": "I was deeply engrossed in studying different Vedic methods and all of this." }, { "end_time": "40:18", "start_time": "40:12", "text": "And then I came into reading the spiritual text, and I started simultaneously teaching." }, { "end_time": "40:18", "start_time": "40:18", "text": "I'm a very good teacher." }, { "end_time": "40:19", "start_time": "40:18", "text": "I'm a born teacher." }, { "end_time": "40:27", "start_time": "40:20", "text": "You know, god has been very kind that I can uncomplicate things and give to my student in 5 minutes." }, { "end_time": "40:30", "start_time": "40:27", "text": "What they would take about 5 years to understand." }, { "end_time": "40:33", "start_time": "40:30", "text": "Very, very simple, and that's a gift of god." }, { "end_time": "40:34", "start_time": "40:33", "text": "It's not something I have done." }, { "end_time": "40:37", "start_time": "40:35", "text": "So I got into teaching." }, { "end_time": "40:52", "start_time": "40:37", "text": "And, over 10 years, I in in the in the from 95 to say, like, 2,005, lesser and lesser of the healing and more and more of the Vedic, scriptures that I you know?" }, { "end_time": "40:59", "start_time": "40:52", "text": "When I came to Rishikesh I came to Rishikesh in 2,008, late of 2,007 and 8." }, { "end_time": "41:02", "start_time": "40:59", "text": "I have been only with the scriptural teaching." }, { "end_time": "41:07", "start_time": "41:02", "text": "And when you say scriptural teaching, you're specifically talking about the 4 Vedas?" }, { "end_time": "41:07", "start_time": "41:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "41:12", "start_time": "41:07", "text": "The 4 Vedas are not for us grown ups to, kind of." }, { "end_time": "41:14", "start_time": "41:13", "text": "We mean more Vedanta." }, { "end_time": "41:16", "start_time": "41:14", "text": "Vedanta means the end part of Vedas." }, { "end_time": "41:17", "start_time": "41:16", "text": "You know Vedas?" }, { "end_time": "41:18", "start_time": "41:17", "text": "4 Vedas are there." }, { "end_time": "41:25", "start_time": "41:18", "text": "4 Vedas have 4 different categories, sub subdivisions, mantras, arayanakas, Brahmanas, mantras, arayanakas, and Upanishads." }, { "end_time": "41:26", "start_time": "41:25", "text": "As in within each of them?" }, { "end_time": "41:27", "start_time": "41:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "41:27", "start_time": "41:27", "text": "Within each of them." }, { "end_time": "41:31", "start_time": "41:27", "text": "So Rigveda would have mantras, Brahmanas, Aranyakas, and Upanishad." }, { "end_time": "41:33", "start_time": "41:32", "text": "Similarly, all the 4." }, { "end_time": "41:42", "start_time": "41:33", "text": "So the last part of the Vedas, which is Upanishad, is what scholars and, you know, philosophers, study." }, { "end_time": "41:46", "start_time": "41:42", "text": "It takes you closer to god, and, the realization of Brahman is the goal." }, { "end_time": "41:48", "start_time": "41:46", "text": "The realization of god is the goal." }, { "end_time": "41:54", "start_time": "41:48", "text": "So the Upanishads, became my more, you know, subject of study." }, { "end_time": "41:58", "start_time": "41:54", "text": "And, eventually, Bhagavad Gita Bhagavad Gita is an extract of the Upanishads." }, { "end_time": "42:04", "start_time": "41:58", "text": "Bhagavad Gita is a later composition, and it's an extract of all the Upanishadic philosophy." }, { "end_time": "42:08", "start_time": "42:04", "text": "The the right things for required for the world." }, { "end_time": "42:09", "start_time": "42:09", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "42:11", "start_time": "42:09", "text": "So Can I just pause you there for a second?" }, { "end_time": "42:11", "start_time": "42:11", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "42:12", "start_time": "42:11", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "42:22", "start_time": "42:12", "text": "We had someone called miss Rupa Bhati on the show, and she's someone who does extremely deep research on, the astronomy side of the Vedas." }, { "end_time": "42:27", "start_time": "42:23", "text": "And astronomy is a tool that one can use to date things as well." }, { "end_time": "42:27", "start_time": "42:27", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "42:30", "start_time": "42:27", "text": "So a big part of her research is dating the Mahabharata and the Ramayana." }, { "end_time": "42:31", "start_time": "42:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:33", "start_time": "42:31", "text": "But she's also focused on the Rigveda heavily." }, { "end_time": "42:38", "start_time": "42:34", "text": "And she said that according to her work, and she spent 30 years doing this." }, { "end_time": "42:44", "start_time": "42:38", "text": "And I know when someone is talking rubbish in front of me on this show versus when someone is like speaking gospel." }, { "end_time": "42:44", "start_time": "42:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:44", "start_time": "42:44", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "42:44", "start_time": "42:44", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "42:44", "start_time": "42:44", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "42:45", "start_time": "42:44", "text": "It sparks out." }, { "end_time": "42:48", "start_time": "42:45", "text": "And she was at the end of that spectrum of speaking the truth." }, { "end_time": "42:51", "start_time": "42:48", "text": "I sat with her for almost like 5 hours." }, { "end_time": "43:01", "start_time": "42:53", "text": "She spoke about how the Rigveda is possibly, according to the astronomy within it, perhaps 2 lakh 20000 years old." }, { "end_time": "43:01", "start_time": "43:01", "text": "Imagine." }, { "end_time": "43:03", "start_time": "43:02", "text": "2 lakh 20,000." }, { "end_time": "43:03", "start_time": "43:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "43:08", "start_time": "43:03", "text": "And for context, the Ramayana is roughly taking place at 12,000 BC." }, { "end_time": "43:09", "start_time": "43:08", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "43:13", "start_time": "43:09", "text": "So if you can draw that line that goes from 2024 back to Amazing." }, { "end_time": "43:15", "start_time": "43:13", "text": "12,000 BC, that's the Ramayana." }, { "end_time": "43:18", "start_time": "43:15", "text": "And 2 lakh 20,000 years is the Vedas." }, { "end_time": "43:18", "start_time": "43:18", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "43:28", "start_time": "43:18", "text": "And it's possibly why people say that, you know, Hinduism or Sanathandam is the oldest surviving Yes." }, { "end_time": "43:28", "start_time": "43:28", "text": "It is." }, { "end_time": "43:28", "start_time": "43:28", "text": "It is." }, { "end_time": "43:29", "start_time": "43:28", "text": "It is." }, { "end_time": "43:30", "start_time": "43:29", "text": "Undoubtedly, it is." }, { "end_time": "43:35", "start_time": "43:30", "text": "Because any you see any discovery that is coming across from the western world?" }, { "end_time": "43:36", "start_time": "43:35", "text": "It's already there." }, { "end_time": "43:37", "start_time": "43:37", "text": "It's already there." }, { "end_time": "43:38", "start_time": "43:37", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "43:42", "start_time": "43:38", "text": "So there isn't anything in the world the world is talking about, and it's not mentioned here." }, { "end_time": "43:45", "start_time": "43:42", "text": "From, you know, micro micro level, upangas and Vedas." }, { "end_time": "43:46", "start_time": "43:45", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "43:47", "start_time": "43:46", "text": "You have the Vastu Shastra." }, { "end_time": "43:48", "start_time": "43:47", "text": "You have the Ayurveda." }, { "end_time": "43:52", "start_time": "43:49", "text": "You have elements and everything in detail." }, { "end_time": "44:05", "start_time": "43:52", "text": "You tell me which other culture talks about the exact temperature of the sun or the exact diameter of a particular planet or how it's perfectly orbiting in the galaxy in the in the solar galaxy." }, { "end_time": "44:12", "start_time": "44:05", "text": "Who could have said so many years back without having a telescope or any kind of Internet facility or any kind of a laboratory?" }, { "end_time": "44:19", "start_time": "44:13", "text": "Internalizing everything, the experiences to the to the minutest detail, It's it's unimaginable." }, { "end_time": "44:21", "start_time": "44:19", "text": "There can't be anything older." }, { "end_time": "44:23", "start_time": "44:21", "text": "There can be no school of thought older than this." }, { "end_time": "44:24", "start_time": "44:24", "text": "Definitely." }, { "end_time": "44:28", "start_time": "44:25", "text": "It's teaching you about the universe so that you're able to leave." }, { "end_time": "44:29", "start_time": "44:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "44:30", "start_time": "44:30", "text": "That's the goal." }, { "end_time": "44:32", "start_time": "44:30", "text": "That leave this universe that you're in." }, { "end_time": "44:33", "start_time": "44:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "44:33", "start_time": "44:33", "text": "Fair to say?" }, { "end_time": "44:34", "start_time": "44:33", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "44:35", "start_time": "44:34", "text": "It's fair to say." }, { "end_time": "44:35", "start_time": "44:35", "text": "Or oversimplified?" }, { "end_time": "44:36", "start_time": "44:36", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "44:37", "start_time": "44:36", "text": "It's not." }, { "end_time": "44:39", "start_time": "44:38", "text": "Very direct and crisp." }, { "end_time": "44:40", "start_time": "44:40", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "44:46", "start_time": "44:42", "text": "Let's expand on that Veda's, section that we were talking." }, { "end_time": "44:46", "start_time": "44:46", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "44:49", "start_time": "44:47", "text": "I'm sorry I interrupted you." }, { "end_time": "44:49", "start_time": "44:49", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "44:50", "start_time": "44:49", "text": "Not at all." }, { "end_time": "44:55", "start_time": "44:51", "text": "But you were talking about the 4 Vedas and then the Vedic studies." }, { "end_time": "44:56", "start_time": "44:55", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "44:56", "start_time": "44:56", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "45:04", "start_time": "44:57", "text": "The the journey, you know, from healing to coming into the Vedic roots is what I would like to, you know, elaborate more upon." }, { "end_time": "45:05", "start_time": "45:04", "text": "And what's the difference?" }, { "end_time": "45:11", "start_time": "45:06", "text": "Empaths, for instance, counselors, empaths, and healers, we are we are very heart oriented." }, { "end_time": "45:13", "start_time": "45:12", "text": "We're very heart oriented." }, { "end_time": "45:25", "start_time": "45:14", "text": "And, there's a lot of emotive, dominance, compassion, and what happens through the heart and with intention and with love." }, { "end_time": "45:27", "start_time": "45:25", "text": "And often, it's a need inside." }, { "end_time": "45:33", "start_time": "45:28", "text": "Like we we said in the beginning, it's like the more you heal others, you the more you are healed." }, { "end_time": "45:35", "start_time": "45:34", "text": "You may know it or you may not know it." }, { "end_time": "45:36", "start_time": "45:35", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "45:38", "start_time": "45:36", "text": "For instance, I didn't know it, but it happened." }, { "end_time": "45:44", "start_time": "45:39", "text": "And it took me closer to my roots, and it took me closer to what we really call evolution." }, { "end_time": "45:58", "start_time": "45:46", "text": "When we Vedanta says that when you're evolving and when you're coming into the realm of self inquiry and knowing your true self, there is divinizing of the intellect that has to happen." }, { "end_time": "46:02", "start_time": "45:59", "text": "What what does one mean by divinizing of intellect?" }, { "end_time": "46:06", "start_time": "46:03", "text": "It means that we normally function with a very limited intellect." }, { "end_time": "46:09", "start_time": "46:07", "text": "What intellect is there with you?" }, { "end_time": "46:13", "start_time": "46:09", "text": "We function function within those corridors, within those boundaries." }, { "end_time": "46:32", "start_time": "46:13", "text": "But when you are studying Vedanta and you come into self inquiry and when I say self inquiry, I mean, truly understanding what is god, truly understanding what is Brahman permatma, and, the Jiva, you know, and, the cause of suffering and the illusion and the work of Maya." }, { "end_time": "46:37", "start_time": "46:32", "text": "When you understand all of these things through the study of Vedanta, you're actually divinizing your intellect." }, { "end_time": "46:44", "start_time": "46:37", "text": "Divinizing intellect means removing the false parameters of the intellect and emerging it with the cosmic intelligence." }, { "end_time": "46:46", "start_time": "46:45", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "46:53", "start_time": "46:46", "text": "The the our intellect can be aligned and can completely come and streamline with the cosmic intelligence." }, { "end_time": "46:56", "start_time": "46:53", "text": "Can you expand on that false, part of the intellect?" }, { "end_time": "46:57", "start_time": "46:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:59", "start_time": "46:57", "text": "The the IQ, what you say." }, { "end_time": "47:05", "start_time": "46:59", "text": "What we say, IQ is a measurement of your processing capacity, your brain's processing capacity." }, { "end_time": "47:05", "start_time": "47:05", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "47:09", "start_time": "47:05", "text": "And this is always limited because it's limited to your body." }, { "end_time": "47:13", "start_time": "47:09", "text": "You're only considering the gross aspect of your intellect." }, { "end_time": "47:18", "start_time": "47:14", "text": "Whereas, intellect is one of the major tools as said in in the Vedanta." }, { "end_time": "47:28", "start_time": "47:19", "text": "Buddhi is the highest, you know, which means that a common person would think especially those who are in spiritual realms, they would think that, oh, no." }, { "end_time": "47:31", "start_time": "47:28", "text": "Heart is the main thing and not the buddhi." }, { "end_time": "47:35", "start_time": "47:31", "text": "So what common people talk about buddhi is a very limited buddhi." }, { "end_time": "47:36", "start_time": "47:35", "text": "It's a very limited intellect." }, { "end_time": "47:39", "start_time": "47:36", "text": "They're talking about their works only with logic and memory." }, { "end_time": "47:41", "start_time": "47:40", "text": "We have something in Vedanta." }, { "end_time": "47:43", "start_time": "47:41", "text": "We say we have something called." }, { "end_time": "47:50", "start_time": "47:48", "text": "Means mind, intellect, memory, and ego." }, { "end_time": "47:53", "start_time": "47:51", "text": "These 4 are working in us constantly." }, { "end_time": "47:56", "start_time": "47:54", "text": "All your experiences are generated by these 4." }, { "end_time": "48:00", "start_time": "47:57", "text": "What you perceive, what you understand, what you think, what you do." }, { "end_time": "48:09", "start_time": "48:00", "text": "Sequence of how I understand what what I'm hearing and then how I'm replying to what I have understood and then, you know, the doing bit." }, { "end_time": "48:11", "start_time": "48:09", "text": "So the antakaran is working." }, { "end_time": "48:20", "start_time": "48:11", "text": "Now in the antakaran, mind is a very, very, it's a infinite machine, and it's grasping all the time." }, { "end_time": "48:23", "start_time": "48:20", "text": "It's you know, mind is a thought processing machine." }, { "end_time": "48:31", "start_time": "48:23", "text": "Intellect is the actual processing what is happening and what gives you the the commands to do what you wanna do." }, { "end_time": "48:34", "start_time": "48:31", "text": "So your actual understanding is happening with the intellect." }, { "end_time": "48:37", "start_time": "48:35", "text": "Memory is all your under unconscious." }, { "end_time": "48:42", "start_time": "48:38", "text": "Past life memories, trauma, and all of that you have accumulated, which becomes your conditioning." }, { "end_time": "48:48", "start_time": "48:43", "text": "Why you think the way you're thinking about a particular issue depends on what's in the unconscious." }, { "end_time": "48:52", "start_time": "48:48", "text": "That's how you think of all the past experiences of your life." }, { "end_time": "48:56", "start_time": "48:53", "text": "And then ego, which is a major instrument of Maya." }, { "end_time": "49:00", "start_time": "48:57", "text": "It's stiff all the time, and I know what I am saying." }, { "end_time": "49:05", "start_time": "49:01", "text": "It's it's the I, you know, the false eye that it holds on to." }, { "end_time": "49:14", "start_time": "49:05", "text": "So out of these 4, it's the or the intellect, which is actually the culprit if we do things wrong or right, which is actually the doer." }, { "end_time": "49:25", "start_time": "49:15", "text": "So if this intellect is functioning only in the limited parameters of who you think you are of this life, then it's going to tap on only in the limited intelligence, which is your IQ." }, { "end_time": "49:27", "start_time": "49:25", "text": "Nothing more than that." }, { "end_time": "49:31", "start_time": "49:27", "text": "But if this intellect gets divinized with sadhana, it gets divinized." }, { "end_time": "49:34", "start_time": "49:31", "text": "For instance, when you meditate, you're surrendering." }, { "end_time": "49:36", "start_time": "49:35", "text": "What are you surrendering?" }, { "end_time": "49:37", "start_time": "49:36", "text": "You're surrendering your antakaran." }, { "end_time": "49:43", "start_time": "49:38", "text": "When you sit and meditate and you you're stilling yourself, you're actually surrendering your antakaran." }, { "end_time": "49:46", "start_time": "49:44", "text": "What happens in that moment when you surrender your antakaran?" }, { "end_time": "49:51", "start_time": "49:47", "text": "You get streamlined with the intelligence of the universe, and your buddhi gets divinized." }, { "end_time": "49:53", "start_time": "49:51", "text": "We call it vivek buddhi." }, { "end_time": "49:57", "start_time": "49:54", "text": "It's like that tuning fork of the same frequency." }, { "end_time": "49:57", "start_time": "49:57", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "49:58", "start_time": "49:57", "text": "Resonance." }, { "end_time": "49:59", "start_time": "49:58", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "50:00", "start_time": "49:59", "text": "It's like entrenchment." }, { "end_time": "50:01", "start_time": "50:00", "text": "We call it entrenchment." }, { "end_time": "50:06", "start_time": "50:02", "text": "And your body starts penetrating the body of the universe, so to say, god's intelligence." }, { "end_time": "50:10", "start_time": "50:07", "text": "And as you grow as a Vedantin, they're very logical." }, { "end_time": "50:12", "start_time": "50:10", "text": "They're very they're not like healers." }, { "end_time": "50:15", "start_time": "50:12", "text": "They're not, like, overempatic and overcompassionate." }, { "end_time": "50:19", "start_time": "50:16", "text": "They can see a person dying and yet not do anything about it." }, { "end_time": "50:19", "start_time": "50:19", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "50:22", "start_time": "50:19", "text": "Whereas a common man would think he's a very heartless person." }, { "end_time": "50:24", "start_time": "50:22", "text": "How can he see someone dying?" }, { "end_time": "50:27", "start_time": "50:24", "text": "But Vedanta is very balanced, non oscillating." }, { "end_time": "50:29", "start_time": "50:28", "text": "He's very balanced." }, { "end_time": "50:32", "start_time": "50:29", "text": "He's non oscillating, and he's streamlined with the divine intelligence." }, { "end_time": "50:34", "start_time": "50:32", "text": "He'll do what god wants him to do." }, { "end_time": "50:42", "start_time": "50:35", "text": "So with the study of Vedanta, you know, a person gets aligned perfectly with the cosmos and Brahman." }, { "end_time": "50:43", "start_time": "50:42", "text": "He's he's." }, { "end_time": "50:47", "start_time": "50:45", "text": "With the study of Vedanta or with practice?" }, { "end_time": "50:48", "start_time": "50:47", "text": "Both." }, { "end_time": "50:52", "start_time": "50:48", "text": "Vedanta is not it's not just a book or it's not just a theory." }, { "end_time": "50:57", "start_time": "50:52", "text": "If it's only thetical theoretical, then you are just intellectually grazing into it." }, { "end_time": "51:09", "start_time": "50:58", "text": "It has to be supported by all the yam, niyam, asana, pranayam, pratyahara, dharana, dhyana, samadhi, all the of the so called yogic philosophy." }, { "end_time": "51:11", "start_time": "51:09", "text": "It has to apply even in Vedanta." }, { "end_time": "51:14", "start_time": "51:11", "text": "Vedanta primarily, but it's focused on self inquiry." }, { "end_time": "51:20", "start_time": "51:14", "text": "That means inquiry into the truth and inquiry into the nature of Brahman and know what is god." }, { "end_time": "51:23", "start_time": "51:20", "text": "But none of the Vedantans just take it to the intellectual level." }, { "end_time": "51:28", "start_time": "51:23", "text": "They all support it with a little bit of bhakti yoga and a little bit of karma yoga." }, { "end_time": "51:29", "start_time": "51:28", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "51:30", "start_time": "51:29", "text": "Everybody does that." }, { "end_time": "51:33", "start_time": "51:30", "text": "What does the little bit of karma yoga entail?" }, { "end_time": "51:36", "start_time": "51:33", "text": "Karma yoga, where where is the need for one to do karma yoga?" }, { "end_time": "51:40", "start_time": "51:36", "text": "Karma yoga is basically you surrender every act that you do to god." }, { "end_time": "51:43", "start_time": "51:40", "text": "That is in short, what is Karma Yoga." }, { "end_time": "51:45", "start_time": "51:43", "text": "But it's very difficult for common people." }, { "end_time": "51:55", "start_time": "51:45", "text": "How can you for instance, you do we do we're doing this podcast now, and you as a surrender as a service to God, consciously, we cannot cannot think when we are in the work, in the doing mode." }, { "end_time": "51:57", "start_time": "51:55", "text": "But so that needs to be cultivated." }, { "end_time": "52:02", "start_time": "51:58", "text": "So the need for karma yoga comes because we have jnana indriyas." }, { "end_time": "52:06", "start_time": "52:02", "text": "We have, you know, the nervous system, organs of action." }, { "end_time": "52:17", "start_time": "52:06", "text": "They say that all yogi say, Rishi say that if your organs of action are not put into utility, then they will drag you into unnecessary wastage of time." }, { "end_time": "52:21", "start_time": "52:18", "text": "This is just some like we say, it's for children." }, { "end_time": "52:25", "start_time": "52:21", "text": "If you don't keep the child occupied, then he he becomes a devil, you know, at home." }, { "end_time": "52:26", "start_time": "52:25", "text": "Disruption." }, { "end_time": "52:28", "start_time": "52:26", "text": "You keep it keep him positively occupied." }, { "end_time": "52:32", "start_time": "52:29", "text": "So so so it is with our karma Indriyas and jnana Indriyal." }, { "end_time": "52:37", "start_time": "52:32", "text": "Both these senses and organs of, action should be put into positive use." }, { "end_time": "52:39", "start_time": "52:37", "text": "So we utilize them in our sadhana." }, { "end_time": "52:42", "start_time": "52:40", "text": "That's why we do mantra japa." }, { "end_time": "52:42", "start_time": "52:42", "text": "We do pranayama." }, { "end_time": "52:46", "start_time": "52:43", "text": "We do some walk, and we, you know, the regular." }, { "end_time": "52:49", "start_time": "52:46", "text": "So at their reading is there and service to God." }, { "end_time": "52:57", "start_time": "52:49", "text": "So we are using all our organs of action to clean the idol of God or to do worship or to do the arty or where is the need for all this?" }, { "end_time": "52:58", "start_time": "52:57", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "53:00", "start_time": "52:58", "text": "For instance, we do homma every day." }, { "end_time": "53:02", "start_time": "53:00", "text": "We do homma every day in our temple." }, { "end_time": "53:05", "start_time": "53:02", "text": "One one of my students asked me, ma, why do you do the haban everyday?" }, { "end_time": "53:17", "start_time": "53:06", "text": "I said, It's like you keep your organs of action and your intellect and your time and your energy engrossed in the service of God." }, { "end_time": "53:19", "start_time": "53:17", "text": "This is only an expression of love for God." }, { "end_time": "53:24", "start_time": "53:20", "text": "It's not some kind of, magic that we're doing." }, { "end_time": "53:24", "start_time": "53:24", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "53:29", "start_time": "53:24", "text": "It has many other, you know, advantages that there is." }, { "end_time": "53:31", "start_time": "53:29", "text": "It's creating a lot of positive vibrations." }, { "end_time": "53:33", "start_time": "53:31", "text": "The mantra, ahutis are going inside." }, { "end_time": "53:37", "start_time": "53:33", "text": "There's a lot of cosmic, reverence that comes." }, { "end_time": "53:38", "start_time": "53:37", "text": "All of that is there." }, { "end_time": "53:46", "start_time": "53:38", "text": "But the basic need to do the rituals and worship every day or any activity is to keep your karma Indriyas and jnana Indriyas occupied." }, { "end_time": "53:49", "start_time": "53:47", "text": "Otherwise, a sadhu would become a villa." }, { "end_time": "53:50", "start_time": "53:50", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "53:52", "start_time": "53:51", "text": "I have a couple of things to say." }, { "end_time": "54:03", "start_time": "53:54", "text": "I have some athlete friends, the professional athletes, who are actually very very inclined towards spiritual thought." }, { "end_time": "54:05", "start_time": "54:03", "text": "Because they've seen so much these are cricketers again." }, { "end_time": "54:09", "start_time": "54:05", "text": "Seen so much glamour that then they start questioning that what's beyond the glamour." }, { "end_time": "54:12", "start_time": "54:11", "text": "I'll take his name." }, { "end_time": "54:14", "start_time": "54:12", "text": "It's Krunal Pandya." }, { "end_time": "54:25", "start_time": "54:15", "text": "Whenever I'm in conversation with him, I feel that this person is meant to be a yogi, because his thoughts are very, very deep as compared to the average person." }, { "end_time": "54:28", "start_time": "54:25", "text": "And I told him that, you know, you'd make a really good yogi." }, { "end_time": "54:29", "start_time": "54:28", "text": "So he asked me why." }, { "end_time": "54:40", "start_time": "54:29", "text": "So I said that you already have that sense of discipline and ferocity in built inside your mind, which is what one needs for this path as well, and then you think deep and you're spiritually inclined." }, { "end_time": "54:42", "start_time": "54:40", "text": "So he said, okay, one day maybe." }, { "end_time": "54:43", "start_time": "54:42", "text": "I said, alright." }, { "end_time": "54:52", "start_time": "54:43", "text": "And then the same conversation got me thinking about a lot of the people I've met on the show like yourself, Rajeshi Nandy, Goran Gadas, all these people." }, { "end_time": "55:04", "start_time": "54:53", "text": "Their pre spiritual life always contained some discipline or hard work, which is what they used in their, spiritual journey as well." }, { "end_time": "55:11", "start_time": "55:04", "text": "Because this journey requires a sense of routines, discipline, self strictness." }, { "end_time": "55:28", "start_time": "55:13", "text": "Parallelly, when one visits places like Banaras, Rishikesh, Haridwar, any of these Theit stands, you'll always find a lot of young people who on the surface seem like they're spiritually inclined, Vrindavan as well." }, { "end_time": "55:35", "start_time": "55:29", "text": "But when once you get into conversation with them, you realize that there are some of them who are actually escaping real life." }, { "end_time": "55:35", "start_time": "55:35", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "55:41", "start_time": "55:36", "text": "That they've run away from something and are trying to have these spiritual practices." }, { "end_time": "55:48", "start_time": "55:42", "text": "But I'm not being able to keep up because they don't have a sense of routines, within the spiritual practice as well." }, { "end_time": "55:55", "start_time": "55:48", "text": "I've come to realize, at least for me, this constant study and constant actual practice, praying, meditating, this is the key." }, { "end_time": "55:56", "start_time": "55:55", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "56:00", "start_time": "55:56", "text": "But not everyone can do that because people don't have that sense of discipline from the material life." }, { "end_time": "56:01", "start_time": "56:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "56:08", "start_time": "56:01", "text": "Which is why there is a part of me that always thinks that, you know, you need to do something materially first, Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "56:10", "start_time": "56:08", "text": "Just to have that sense of human discipline." }, { "end_time": "56:10", "start_time": "56:10", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "56:13", "start_time": "56:10", "text": "It could be as simple as, like, in Goran Glass's case." }, { "end_time": "56:16", "start_time": "56:13", "text": "He, is an IIT graduate." }, { "end_time": "56:16", "start_time": "56:16", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "56:22", "start_time": "56:16", "text": "If anyone's given the exam that you give to get into IIT, it's one of the most difficult exams in the world." }, { "end_time": "56:22", "start_time": "56:22", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "56:24", "start_time": "56:23", "text": "Requires a sense of discipline." }, { "end_time": "56:26", "start_time": "56:24", "text": "Then post his college, he got into monkhood." }, { "end_time": "56:27", "start_time": "56:26", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "56:29", "start_time": "56:27", "text": "But he was a successful monk Yeah." }, { "end_time": "56:31", "start_time": "56:29", "text": "Because he had that sense of routines." }, { "end_time": "56:31", "start_time": "56:31", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "56:33", "start_time": "56:31", "text": "This is what not too many people speak about." }, { "end_time": "56:33", "start_time": "56:33", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "56:37", "start_time": "56:33", "text": "Even the spiritual life is not easy, and it is definitely not for escapers." }, { "end_time": "56:38", "start_time": "56:37", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "56:47", "start_time": "56:38", "text": "So, a part of the Ashtanga, you know, in the yoga philosophy, the Bahiranga sadhana and Antaranga sadhana." }, { "end_time": "56:50", "start_time": "56:47", "text": "Antaranga sadhana is dharanandhyana samadhi." }, { "end_time": "56:52", "start_time": "56:50", "text": "Now this is not only for yogis." }, { "end_time": "56:54", "start_time": "56:52", "text": "It's for common people as well outside." }, { "end_time": "56:58", "start_time": "56:54", "text": "For instance, you see a sportsman because you mentioned a sportsman." }, { "end_time": "56:59", "start_time": "56:58", "text": "You see a sportsman." }, { "end_time": "57:06", "start_time": "57:00", "text": "Dharana means of energy concentration, and it starts with yama niyam." }, { "end_time": "57:07", "start_time": "57:06", "text": "That means yama niyam." }, { "end_time": "57:10", "start_time": "57:07", "text": "That means you have to take certain vows that I'm not going to drink." }, { "end_time": "57:11", "start_time": "57:10", "text": "I'm not gonna have late nights." }, { "end_time": "57:14", "start_time": "57:11", "text": "I'm not gonna waste my energy here." }, { "end_time": "57:16", "start_time": "57:14", "text": "This I'm gonna choose whom I'm gonna move with." }, { "end_time": "57:18", "start_time": "57:16", "text": "These are all yam niyams for ordinary men." }, { "end_time": "57:27", "start_time": "57:19", "text": "Asana, that means everyday practice 7 4 in the 4 AM in the morning, go for a run and for a first sportsman I'm talking about." }, { "end_time": "57:27", "start_time": "57:27", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "57:30", "start_time": "57:28", "text": "Then pranayam, some kind of a breath work." }, { "end_time": "57:35", "start_time": "57:30", "text": "They do to expand their lungs and, you know, have better lungs, better breathing." }, { "end_time": "57:37", "start_time": "57:35", "text": "Yam, niyam, asana, pranayam, pratyahar." }, { "end_time": "57:39", "start_time": "57:37", "text": "Pratyahar means withdrawal." }, { "end_time": "57:48", "start_time": "57:40", "text": "Now they have to consciously withdraw withdraw themselves from a way of life if they want to come into the next step of the harnadhyana samadhi." }, { "end_time": "57:51", "start_time": "57:48", "text": "Pratyahara is a bridge for all common people." }, { "end_time": "57:53", "start_time": "57:51", "text": "This will apply what I'm saying." }, { "end_time": "58:03", "start_time": "57:53", "text": "Now if you wanna go on the other side of experiences, you know, then Pratyahara is a bridge between the Bahiranga sadhana and the Antaranga sadhana." }, { "end_time": "58:12", "start_time": "58:03", "text": "First, you have to make choices intelligent choices in your life and then take pratyahara to jump on the other side, which is dharana, dhyana, samadhi." }, { "end_time": "58:23", "start_time": "58:12", "text": "Now once the person has come here, he will pull all his convert all his energy towards his practice, the bull's eye, And, at some point, he will transcend." }, { "end_time": "58:29", "start_time": "58:25", "text": "Usnab, it's it's like, for instance, he gave that shot if it's a tennis player." }, { "end_time": "58:32", "start_time": "58:29", "text": "He gave that shot, and he didn't know how it happened." }, { "end_time": "58:40", "start_time": "58:33", "text": "Transcendence is like transcending your human limitation and going into the realm of unlimited potential." }, { "end_time": "58:47", "start_time": "58:42", "text": "And then Samadhi is the pivotal and the zenith point of success be it any field you talk about." }, { "end_time": "58:55", "start_time": "58:47", "text": "The same sequence, what I said just now, can apply to a musician who wants to really taste the effects of success." }, { "end_time": "58:57", "start_time": "58:56", "text": "The same sequence will apply." }, { "end_time": "59:06", "start_time": "58:58", "text": "Be it a scientist You know, scientists, they look like mad people towards the end of the, you know, sadhana." }, { "end_time": "59:08", "start_time": "59:06", "text": "I call it sadhana because they are into research." }, { "end_time": "59:13", "start_time": "59:08", "text": "They believe in what's going to come out of it, you know, and they put the heart." }, { "end_time": "59:14", "start_time": "59:13", "text": "They will draw from everything." }, { "end_time": "59:17", "start_time": "59:14", "text": "Then there is the Harnadhyana Samadhi even for a scientist." }, { "end_time": "59:19", "start_time": "59:18", "text": "He may not shower." }, { "end_time": "59:20", "start_time": "59:19", "text": "He may not eat." }, { "end_time": "59:21", "start_time": "59:20", "text": "He may not see anything." }, { "end_time": "59:27", "start_time": "59:21", "text": "He may be closed in a room for, like, hours and days together to just find what he wants to find." }, { "end_time": "59:29", "start_time": "59:28", "text": "Then he achieved Samadhi." }, { "end_time": "59:37", "start_time": "59:30", "text": "So this philosophy, you know, the Indian philosophy, we have the the different schools of philosophy in India." }, { "end_time": "59:38", "start_time": "59:37", "text": "Vedanta being one of them." }, { "end_time": "59:41", "start_time": "59:38", "text": "Yoga, what I'm just referring to is one of them." }, { "end_time": "59:48", "start_time": "59:41", "text": "Nyaya Vaisheshika, we have Sankhya philosophy that talks of Shiva and Shakti when we talk about, the." }, { "end_time": "59:49", "start_time": "59:48", "text": "We'll talk about that." }, { "end_time": "59:49", "start_time": "59:49", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "59:54", "start_time": "59:49", "text": "So these philosophies are schools of thought coming from the same roots, from the Vedas." }, { "end_time": "59:56", "start_time": "59:54", "text": "You know, it's coming from the same roots." }, { "end_time": "59:59", "start_time": "59:56", "text": "So the this yoga philosophy can be applied to anybody." }, { "end_time": "1:00:06", "start_time": "1:00:00", "text": "Anybody who wants to go on the other side and taste the zenith of his, you know, passion, whatever passion." }, { "end_time": "1:00:09", "start_time": "1:00:06", "text": "Musicians, you know, they they also need to follow all these." }, { "end_time": "1:00:11", "start_time": "1:00:11", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:00:13", "start_time": "1:00:12", "text": "Even for a sadhu." }, { "end_time": "1:00:17", "start_time": "1:00:13", "text": "So, again, now you have when you come into the stage, we were talking about work." }, { "end_time": "1:00:23", "start_time": "1:00:18", "text": "Now is good, but how honestly, how long can I sit and meditate?" }, { "end_time": "1:00:26", "start_time": "1:00:23", "text": "If I take my own example, how long can I sit and meditate?" }, { "end_time": "1:00:29", "start_time": "1:00:26", "text": "Sometimes I'll sit for 2 hours, 3 hours, but not always." }, { "end_time": "1:00:33", "start_time": "1:00:30", "text": "It it's just like 45 minutes or 1 hour, and I'm." }, { "end_time": "1:00:45", "start_time": "1:00:34", "text": "You start yawning or you you know, there's there's body's lethargy and there's body's remnants of all impurities of human life, which are there, you know, and these distractions." }, { "end_time": "1:00:46", "start_time": "1:00:45", "text": "And you want you feel hungry." }, { "end_time": "1:00:48", "start_time": "1:00:46", "text": "You wanna go and eat something, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "1:01:02", "start_time": "1:00:48", "text": "So when you're not to that level of meditating or doing any kind of a practice, Your karma indriyas and jnana in indriyas have to be kept occupied fruitfully for and, you know, as a part of your sadhana." }, { "end_time": "1:01:04", "start_time": "1:01:03", "text": "That means utilize this." }, { "end_time": "1:01:05", "start_time": "1:01:04", "text": "So we do seva." }, { "end_time": "1:01:06", "start_time": "1:01:05", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:09", "start_time": "1:01:06", "text": "I may take a broom, and I might sweep something or I might decorate." }, { "end_time": "1:01:12", "start_time": "1:01:09", "text": "I might do some gardening or I might go to the temple." }, { "end_time": "1:01:16", "start_time": "1:01:12", "text": "I might clean the, you know, the the idol or do something there." }, { "end_time": "1:01:18", "start_time": "1:01:17", "text": "Offer something as a seva." }, { "end_time": "1:01:25", "start_time": "1:01:18", "text": "Karma Indriyas and jnan Indriyas are very inevitable part of engaging them as a part of your sadhana in the service of God." }, { "end_time": "1:01:27", "start_time": "1:01:25", "text": "So that becomes your karma yoga then." }, { "end_time": "1:01:28", "start_time": "1:01:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:01:35", "start_time": "1:01:29", "text": "The escapist that you come across who probably have good intention on some very core level Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:01:35", "start_time": "1:01:35", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "1:01:40", "start_time": "1:01:36", "text": "But are not able to follow it up through the path that you see." }, { "end_time": "1:01:42", "start_time": "1:01:40", "text": "I see many of them come to Rishikesh." }, { "end_time": "1:01:43", "start_time": "1:01:42", "text": "I meet many of them." }, { "end_time": "1:01:50", "start_time": "1:01:43", "text": "And it's it's I I look at them with lot of compassion and lot of love because at least the fire is ignited." }, { "end_time": "1:01:58", "start_time": "1:01:52", "text": "At least the fire is ignited, and they're not lost in ignorance of the of the, you know, world." }, { "end_time": "1:02:01", "start_time": "1:01:58", "text": "They they they find solace when they come." }, { "end_time": "1:02:10", "start_time": "1:02:01", "text": "Even if they come just for a weekend, they find solace sitting by the river, looking at the mountain, gazing at the sun, rising sun, or they go to the temples." }, { "end_time": "1:02:12", "start_time": "1:02:10", "text": "At least, it could be an escape." }, { "end_time": "1:02:15", "start_time": "1:02:12", "text": "No doubt about it, but something is ignited inside." }, { "end_time": "1:02:16", "start_time": "1:02:15", "text": "And so it's a journey." }, { "end_time": "1:02:20", "start_time": "1:02:16", "text": "Ranveer, we are you know, one lifetime, we're taking too seriously." }, { "end_time": "1:02:22", "start_time": "1:02:20", "text": "It's too long with English." }, { "end_time": "1:02:22", "start_time": "1:02:22", "text": "Not too long." }, { "end_time": "1:02:24", "start_time": "1:02:22", "text": "For god, it's just a blink of an eye." }, { "end_time": "1:02:28", "start_time": "1:02:25", "text": "It's a very small time for the from the soul's point of view." }, { "end_time": "1:02:28", "start_time": "1:02:28", "text": "It's okay." }, { "end_time": "1:02:30", "start_time": "1:02:28", "text": "He says, you wanna relax, you relax." }, { "end_time": "1:02:32", "start_time": "1:02:30", "text": "You wanna do a corporate job, do it." }, { "end_time": "1:02:34", "start_time": "1:02:32", "text": "You wanna earn money, you wanna have so and so, do it." }, { "end_time": "1:02:37", "start_time": "1:02:34", "text": "I'll take your next life again on the journey." }, { "end_time": "1:02:38", "start_time": "1:02:38", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:47", "start_time": "1:02:38", "text": "So this knocking, knocking, knocking, this calling, calling that comes, and the more it comes, understand you're closer to his love and closer to experiencing him." }, { "end_time": "1:02:57", "start_time": "1:02:48", "text": "How do you, as somewhat of an authority figure, explain it to these people who are slightly lost?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:01", "start_time": "1:02:57", "text": "And when I say lost, I don't mean necessarily the people who are just visiting for a weekend." }, { "end_time": "1:03:01", "start_time": "1:03:01", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:03:03", "start_time": "1:03:01", "text": "But people who choose to stay in Rishikesh." }, { "end_time": "1:03:04", "start_time": "1:03:03", "text": "Also." }, { "end_time": "1:03:04", "start_time": "1:03:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:03:09", "start_time": "1:03:06", "text": "Again, I'm just talking based on what I have seen visually." }, { "end_time": "1:03:10", "start_time": "1:03:10", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "1:03:17", "start_time": "1:03:12", "text": "They might get lost in the the intoxication of being in Rishikesh." }, { "end_time": "1:03:21", "start_time": "1:03:17", "text": "And in some cases, actual intoxication of, like, marijuana or something like that." }, { "end_time": "1:03:22", "start_time": "1:03:21", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:03:25", "start_time": "1:03:22", "text": "How do you pick them out of that place and explain the right path?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:28", "start_time": "1:03:25", "text": "And I'm sure you've seen cases like this as well." }, { "end_time": "1:03:28", "start_time": "1:03:28", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:03:33", "start_time": "1:03:28", "text": "But maybe someone was actually escaping from that difficult life back in Argentina Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:03:34", "start_time": "1:03:33", "text": "Back in Germany." }, { "end_time": "1:03:34", "start_time": "1:03:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:03:38", "start_time": "1:03:34", "text": "And they're they're looking at India as more of a, oh, I'm in heaven now." }, { "end_time": "1:03:39", "start_time": "1:03:38", "text": "I'm completely spiritual." }, { "end_time": "1:03:42", "start_time": "1:03:40", "text": "But they may not necessarily be following spiritual practices." }, { "end_time": "1:03:43", "start_time": "1:03:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:03:44", "start_time": "1:03:43", "text": "The bee comes to the honey." }, { "end_time": "1:03:45", "start_time": "1:03:44", "text": "The honey doesn't go to the bee." }, { "end_time": "1:03:47", "start_time": "1:03:46", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:47", "start_time": "1:03:47", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:03:48", "start_time": "1:03:47", "text": "So it's like the nectar." }, { "end_time": "1:03:53", "start_time": "1:03:49", "text": "The the bee comes to pick up the nectar, and the honey is made." }, { "end_time": "1:03:55", "start_time": "1:03:53", "text": "So it's like that, the seeking when it's strong." }, { "end_time": "1:03:56", "start_time": "1:03:55", "text": "It's the spirit." }, { "end_time": "1:03:58", "start_time": "1:03:56", "text": "It's actually not you and me working." }, { "end_time": "1:03:59", "start_time": "1:03:58", "text": "It's the spirit working." }, { "end_time": "1:04:03", "start_time": "1:04:00", "text": "So when the time is right, they come and they get distracted again." }, { "end_time": "1:04:05", "start_time": "1:04:03", "text": "Then they may come again, then they get distracted again." }, { "end_time": "1:04:07", "start_time": "1:04:05", "text": "It could be be many years." }, { "end_time": "1:04:15", "start_time": "1:04:07", "text": "When the time is right, when the yoga is right, when it's destined, then they will listen to someone like me to the t." }, { "end_time": "1:04:16", "start_time": "1:04:16", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:20", "start_time": "1:04:16", "text": "And the the tools normally you know, counseling tools is love, first of all." }, { "end_time": "1:04:32", "start_time": "1:04:21", "text": "There has to be unconditional acceptance of love loving unconditional loving acceptance of the person, who he or she is with whatever flaws, blunders he or she might have been." }, { "end_time": "1:04:39", "start_time": "1:04:32", "text": "If there's a true seeking, then it becomes our fundamental duty and responsibility to embrace the person with lot of acceptance." }, { "end_time": "1:04:43", "start_time": "1:04:40", "text": "With that embrace, he's introduced to self love." }, { "end_time": "1:04:47", "start_time": "1:04:43", "text": "A person who is on a distracted, off led path off track path." }, { "end_time": "1:04:49", "start_time": "1:04:47", "text": "He himself is a self hater." }, { "end_time": "1:04:51", "start_time": "1:04:50", "text": "He hates himself." }, { "end_time": "1:04:52", "start_time": "1:04:51", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:54", "start_time": "1:04:52", "text": "And what he what he requires is self love." }, { "end_time": "1:05:00", "start_time": "1:04:55", "text": "I have to teach him to appreciate himself by removing the things that are unwanted." }, { "end_time": "1:05:05", "start_time": "1:05:00", "text": "And the best tool in our culture, in our Vedantic culture, the best tool is mantra japa." }, { "end_time": "1:05:08", "start_time": "1:05:06", "text": "Meditation is not easy for everyone." }, { "end_time": "1:05:09", "start_time": "1:05:08", "text": "They can't meditate." }, { "end_time": "1:05:10", "start_time": "1:05:09", "text": "People can't meditate." }, { "end_time": "1:05:15", "start_time": "1:05:10", "text": "Even if somebody's taking a plant medicine and transcending, that's not real transcendence." }, { "end_time": "1:05:16", "start_time": "1:05:15", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:18", "start_time": "1:05:16", "text": "So the best tool is mantra." }, { "end_time": "1:05:24", "start_time": "1:05:19", "text": "And the the deity that he or she invokes, it all goes to permatma." }, { "end_time": "1:05:27", "start_time": "1:05:24", "text": "We have millions of 1,000 and crores of." }, { "end_time": "1:05:29", "start_time": "1:05:27", "text": "It all goes to Permatma." }, { "end_time": "1:05:40", "start_time": "1:05:29", "text": "You know, when when I fly in a in a in a airplane, I'm looking out of the window, and I see as you as the landscape recedes and, you know, then there's just peace and silence." }, { "end_time": "1:05:41", "start_time": "1:05:40", "text": "There's no noise." }, { "end_time": "1:05:46", "start_time": "1:05:42", "text": "Noise is there when you come down, and and it's not there." }, { "end_time": "1:05:54", "start_time": "1:05:46", "text": "So the mantra that we do, it all dissolve into om, and it dissolves into the cosmic sound, and it penetrates into Parmatma." }, { "end_time": "1:06:03", "start_time": "1:05:55", "text": "So it does not matter what mantra, actually speaking, for the sake of, you know, going ahead on the path." }, { "end_time": "1:06:08", "start_time": "1:06:03", "text": "So he or she definitely would be attracted to some Devi Devda on the path, on the journey." }, { "end_time": "1:06:10", "start_time": "1:06:08", "text": "Shiva, Shakti, whatever." }, { "end_time": "1:06:12", "start_time": "1:06:10", "text": "Devi, Ganesha, whatever." }, { "end_time": "1:06:14", "start_time": "1:06:12", "text": "Whatever we understand at that moment." }, { "end_time": "1:06:19", "start_time": "1:06:14", "text": "And because the divine intelligence is flowing, it's not me who's deciding what I want to give him." }, { "end_time": "1:06:25", "start_time": "1:06:19", "text": "I would definitely give a mantra and tell him to start with at least one mala every day and slowly, steadily." }, { "end_time": "1:06:28", "start_time": "1:06:25", "text": "You know, if he's meant to be with me, he'll be he'll be there with me." }, { "end_time": "1:06:29", "start_time": "1:06:28", "text": "Otherwise, I become a step ladder." }, { "end_time": "1:06:31", "start_time": "1:06:29", "text": "He may go somewhere else." }, { "end_time": "1:06:32", "start_time": "1:06:31", "text": "Doesn't matter." }, { "end_time": "1:06:41", "start_time": "1:06:34", "text": "Do you give 1 mantra to everyone, or do you give them a mantra based on that person's subjective reality?" }, { "end_time": "1:06:43", "start_time": "1:06:41", "text": "Well, we belong to a Sampradaya." }, { "end_time": "1:06:46", "start_time": "1:06:43", "text": "We belong to a tantric Ganapatiya Sampradaya." }, { "end_time": "1:06:53", "start_time": "1:06:46", "text": "My gurudev, I we have a very unusual Ganesha in our hermitage with 10 hands and a davvi sitting in his lap." }, { "end_time": "1:06:59", "start_time": "1:06:54", "text": "So 2 sadhanas are there with our Sampraday, one of Ganesha and the other of davvi, Shakti." }, { "end_time": "1:07:03", "start_time": "1:07:00", "text": "So I give either a Ganesh mantra or a Shakti mantra." }, { "end_time": "1:07:05", "start_time": "1:07:04", "text": "Any of the Shaktis." }, { "end_time": "1:07:06", "start_time": "1:07:05", "text": "I'm very close to Mahavidyas." }, { "end_time": "1:07:11", "start_time": "1:07:06", "text": "I give any of the Mahavidyas mantra, or Kalip mantra, or the Lakshmi mantra, all the dais." }, { "end_time": "1:07:12", "start_time": "1:07:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:07:20", "start_time": "1:07:13", "text": "I'm currently in a phase of life where I'm doing, Om Harawaya Namajap, and I've been doing it almost a year now." }, { "end_time": "1:07:22", "start_time": "1:07:21", "text": "Helped me a lot." }, { "end_time": "1:07:27", "start_time": "1:07:22", "text": "And I'm doing it slower as time passes and more focused, more intense." }, { "end_time": "1:07:28", "start_time": "1:07:27", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:07:30", "start_time": "1:07:28", "text": "And it sends me into some places." }, { "end_time": "1:07:40", "start_time": "1:07:31", "text": "Along with that, I am doing a Kalbhairav stotra, and I'm doing another as well, which is private." }, { "end_time": "1:07:42", "start_time": "1:07:40", "text": "Would you still give me a mantra?" }, { "end_time": "1:07:43", "start_time": "1:07:42", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:07:43", "start_time": "1:07:43", "text": "I wouldn't." }, { "end_time": "1:07:49", "start_time": "1:07:44", "text": "Your faith need not be erased and given another color." }, { "end_time": "1:07:49", "start_time": "1:07:49", "text": "It's need not be." }, { "end_time": "1:07:51", "start_time": "1:07:49", "text": "It's going to same permatma." }, { "end_time": "1:07:56", "start_time": "1:07:51", "text": "Like I told you, whether it is or Shiva or Shakti or it's going to the same permatma." }, { "end_time": "1:08:05", "start_time": "1:07:56", "text": "So when we are on a journey uphill, if I reach the middle of the mountain and someone calls me and says, oh, it's greener, better here, come down here." }, { "end_time": "1:08:09", "start_time": "1:08:06", "text": "Should I get down and go and start climbing another mountain?" }, { "end_time": "1:08:12", "start_time": "1:08:09", "text": "It's all it's all going to go to the same zenith and same epics." }, { "end_time": "1:08:19", "start_time": "1:08:12", "text": "You better take what you're taking, what you're doing, and do it with 100% faith and dissolve yourself completely in that." }, { "end_time": "1:08:22", "start_time": "1:08:19", "text": "Brahma embraces you through that form." }, { "end_time": "1:08:31", "start_time": "1:08:22", "text": "To a large degree, I've been feeling like my love for my elder brother, Kalbhairav, is acting like a guru in my life." }, { "end_time": "1:08:31", "start_time": "1:08:31", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:08:32", "start_time": "1:08:31", "text": "It does." }, { "end_time": "1:08:32", "start_time": "1:08:32", "text": "It does." }, { "end_time": "1:08:33", "start_time": "1:08:33", "text": "It does." }, { "end_time": "1:08:37", "start_time": "1:08:33", "text": "We we were speaking about Maruth Pawan's a while ago." }, { "end_time": "1:08:41", "start_time": "1:08:37", "text": "And, see, there's only Shiva and there's Shakti." }, { "end_time": "1:08:47", "start_time": "1:08:41", "text": "There's only consciousness, which is and his energy, what we call Shakti, which is moving consciousness." }, { "end_time": "1:08:48", "start_time": "1:08:47", "text": "Energy is moving consciousness." }, { "end_time": "1:08:53", "start_time": "1:08:49", "text": "So this moving consciousness is the magic that can manifest anything." }, { "end_time": "1:08:55", "start_time": "1:08:54", "text": "It can manifest anything." }, { "end_time": "1:09:00", "start_time": "1:08:56", "text": "Whatever you believe in, really believe in, it becomes a reality." }, { "end_time": "1:09:03", "start_time": "1:09:00", "text": "It has the capability of becoming a reality." }, { "end_time": "1:09:11", "start_time": "1:09:04", "text": "Like, you put a magnet under a sheet and you put some dust, and it'll weave a beautiful pattern." }, { "end_time": "1:09:18", "start_time": "1:09:11", "text": "In the same way, your cells dance to the faith that you have because there's living God in every cell." }, { "end_time": "1:09:21", "start_time": "1:09:18", "text": "Our every cell in the body is like an independent universe." }, { "end_time": "1:09:23", "start_time": "1:09:22", "text": "It has a soul." }, { "end_time": "1:09:24", "start_time": "1:09:23", "text": "It has a gross body." }, { "end_time": "1:09:28", "start_time": "1:09:24", "text": "It has a subtle body, and it has a causal body, which is your destiny." }, { "end_time": "1:09:36", "start_time": "1:09:28", "text": "Every cell is storing your destiny and has emotion, has a heart, has a feeling, and has intelligence, and knows a lot." }, { "end_time": "1:09:47", "start_time": "1:09:36", "text": "So when every cell is like a universe and there's God in there, whichever faith you dissolve yourself in, the cells dance to that faith and take you into Brahman for sure." }, { "end_time": "1:09:48", "start_time": "1:09:48", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "1:09:52", "start_time": "1:09:48", "text": "I wanna speak about Vedanta as well as this mantra chanting philosophy." }, { "end_time": "1:09:53", "start_time": "1:09:53", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:10:00", "start_time": "1:09:54", "text": "Vedanta and the Vedas in general contain deep knowledge on multiple subjects." }, { "end_time": "1:10:01", "start_time": "1:10:00", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:10:01", "start_time": "1:10:01", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:10:13", "start_time": "1:10:03", "text": "Most Hindus, in terms of what they believe about Sanatana Dharma Hinduism, are effectively following the knowledge of the 4 Vedas." }, { "end_time": "1:10:14", "start_time": "1:10:13", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:10:20", "start_time": "1:10:14", "text": "In many ways, the Bhagavad Gita may be understood to be a condensed form of what's in the place." }, { "end_time": "1:10:21", "start_time": "1:10:20", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:10:27", "start_time": "1:10:21", "text": "So when you are born in a Hindu family and you're trying to understand Hinduism more deeply, try understanding what's written in the 4 Vedas." }, { "end_time": "1:10:28", "start_time": "1:10:27", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:10:28", "start_time": "1:10:28", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:10:38", "start_time": "1:10:28", "text": "And I'm sure, ma'am, when you began studying the Vedas and you finished your journey of studying them to a certain degree, you were left with an amount of knowledge." }, { "end_time": "1:10:46", "start_time": "1:10:40", "text": "But do the 4 Vedas contain information about the deities and the mantras related to the deities?" }, { "end_time": "1:10:52", "start_time": "1:10:47", "text": "Or or did you take that information and then life happened and you were brought to your current guru, Sampradhaya?" }, { "end_time": "1:10:55", "start_time": "1:10:53", "text": "This is what happened." }, { "end_time": "1:10:57", "start_time": "1:10:55", "text": "We are the latter part of it." }, { "end_time": "1:11:06", "start_time": "1:10:57", "text": "I was brought into a deeper understanding of where I belong and where my past, you know, lineages, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "1:11:10", "start_time": "1:11:06", "text": "However, you know, the Vedas don't talk about the Vedas." }, { "end_time": "1:11:13", "start_time": "1:11:10", "text": "The Vedas Vedic time gods were very few." }, { "end_time": "1:11:17", "start_time": "1:11:13", "text": "Agni and, you know, Saraswati Agni, very few gods." }, { "end_time": "1:11:18", "start_time": "1:11:17", "text": "Nature gods were there." }, { "end_time": "1:11:19", "start_time": "1:11:18", "text": "They were nature gods." }, { "end_time": "1:11:21", "start_time": "1:11:19", "text": "So they talk about rituals." }, { "end_time": "1:11:23", "start_time": "1:11:21", "text": "There there's a lot of karma kand." }, { "end_time": "1:11:25", "start_time": "1:11:23", "text": "There is a jnana kand and karma kand." }, { "end_time": "1:11:26", "start_time": "1:11:25", "text": "What is that?" }, { "end_time": "1:11:32", "start_time": "1:11:26", "text": "Vedas may what I say, mantras, Brahmanas, Arayanakas, and Upanishad." }, { "end_time": "1:11:32", "start_time": "1:11:32", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:11:46", "start_time": "1:11:33", "text": "The compilation of mantras, compilation of rituals, yagias to be done, you know, what we do, fire ceremonies, different kinds of and a systematic way of how to do it, what ingredients, how to invoke, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "1:11:47", "start_time": "1:11:46", "text": "We call it karmakand." }, { "end_time": "1:11:54", "start_time": "1:11:47", "text": "Karmakand means for all the different phases of your life, you do the mundan sanskar, and you do the merits sanskar, and you do the death sanskar." }, { "end_time": "1:11:57", "start_time": "1:11:55", "text": "For all these, there are set rituals and set." }, { "end_time": "1:12:01", "start_time": "1:11:57", "text": "All of this comes in the previous part of the Vedas, which we don't study as seekers." }, { "end_time": "1:12:08", "start_time": "1:12:02", "text": "Those are studied by the Gurukul system people who go into panda training, and they they learn all that." }, { "end_time": "1:12:17", "start_time": "1:12:08", "text": "People like me who are interested in in in the Vedic wisdom, we study the last part of it, which is called, Upanishads or Vedanta." }, { "end_time": "1:12:19", "start_time": "1:12:17", "text": "So Upanishads don't talk about gods and goddesses." }, { "end_time": "1:12:22", "start_time": "1:12:20", "text": "They don't talk about it talks only about Brahman." }, { "end_time": "1:12:23", "start_time": "1:12:22", "text": "That means Paramatma." }, { "end_time": "1:12:32", "start_time": "1:12:24", "text": "So associated with the Upanishads, the later part of the Vedic culture has gone into Puranas, you know, you have the 18 Puranas and you have the epics, Ramayana and Mahabharata and everything." }, { "end_time": "1:12:40", "start_time": "1:12:32", "text": "And Vedangs are there, the different sciences which were practiced, the Nurvidya and, you know, Vastu Shastra and all of this." }, { "end_time": "1:12:46", "start_time": "1:12:40", "text": "So it's a later part of the, the anger of the Vedas." }, { "end_time": "1:12:52", "start_time": "1:12:46", "text": "Vedas, per se, we don't study the entire Vedas because, I would it's not a part of my subject study." }, { "end_time": "1:12:57", "start_time": "1:12:52", "text": "I don't wanna know about the different rituals and sacrifices and what are the you know?" }, { "end_time": "1:13:04", "start_time": "1:12:57", "text": "I'm interested in the philosophy part because it divinizes my intellect and because I can guide humanity to whoever is in my student community." }, { "end_time": "1:13:06", "start_time": "1:13:04", "text": "I can guide them to lead a better life." }, { "end_time": "1:13:09", "start_time": "1:13:07", "text": "Now what is the basic content of the Vedanta?" }, { "end_time": "1:13:20", "start_time": "1:13:10", "text": "Basic content of the Vedanta is to transcend suffering and to enter into a liberated jivanmukti, we call it jivanmukt." }, { "end_time": "1:13:23", "start_time": "1:13:21", "text": "Jivanmukt means why you're alive." }, { "end_time": "1:13:26", "start_time": "1:13:23", "text": "You're liberated from all the hassles of life." }, { "end_time": "1:13:37", "start_time": "1:13:27", "text": "How would you train your thought, mind, brain in such a way that like a lotus, there's not a single drop of water that stays on you like a swan." }, { "end_time": "1:13:58", "start_time": "1:13:37", "text": "Not a single drop of water will wet your feathers, and you are in a elated we call it in in in Bhagavad Gita, it's called Person is happy in his own being." }, { "end_time": "1:14:04", "start_time": "1:14:00", "text": "That's the state that Vedanta wants every human being to be." }, { "end_time": "1:14:14", "start_time": "1:14:04", "text": "So, you know, we say that the the God is ruling over the entire creation, and it's his play." }, { "end_time": "1:14:15", "start_time": "1:14:14", "text": "It's his game." }, { "end_time": "1:14:19", "start_time": "1:14:16", "text": "When would a person reach into this level of Jeevan Mukti?" }, { "end_time": "1:14:22", "start_time": "1:14:20", "text": "Is again Kripa Sadia, not Karma Sadia." }, { "end_time": "1:14:28", "start_time": "1:14:23", "text": "That means it is full of grace and when the grace showers when will the grace shower when we are ready?" }, { "end_time": "1:14:37", "start_time": "1:14:29", "text": "It's like I tell many of my students, every day get up in the morning, go to the balcony, stretch out your hands, look at the rising sun, and say, I'm ready." }, { "end_time": "1:14:40", "start_time": "1:14:39", "text": "You know, I'm ready." }, { "end_time": "1:14:43", "start_time": "1:14:40", "text": "So you're not becoming obstruction to your own growth." }, { "end_time": "1:14:47", "start_time": "1:14:45", "text": "What have you learned about time?" }, { "end_time": "1:14:49", "start_time": "1:14:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:14:50", "start_time": "1:14:49", "text": "What is time?" }, { "end_time": "1:14:51", "start_time": "1:14:50", "text": "What is time?" }, { "end_time": "1:14:55", "start_time": "1:14:51", "text": "It's just a meter for our physical understanding on Earth." }, { "end_time": "1:14:57", "start_time": "1:14:55", "text": "It has got no reality outside this." }, { "end_time": "1:15:01", "start_time": "1:14:58", "text": "Because I've had, astrophysicists on the show." }, { "end_time": "1:15:01", "start_time": "1:15:01", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:15:04", "start_time": "1:15:01", "text": "I mean, in the world of physics has not understood time." }, { "end_time": "1:15:05", "start_time": "1:15:04", "text": "It's it's not there only." }, { "end_time": "1:15:08", "start_time": "1:15:05", "text": "It's a hypothetical, but but we use it as a tool." }, { "end_time": "1:15:11", "start_time": "1:15:09", "text": "What's written about time in the Vedas?" }, { "end_time": "1:15:17", "start_time": "1:15:12", "text": "Time is it's written at the soul level, there's no time." }, { "end_time": "1:15:18", "start_time": "1:15:17", "text": "We come to the subtle level." }, { "end_time": "1:15:26", "start_time": "1:15:18", "text": "See, Vedantic, wisdom will always talk about any subject at 3 levels, gross, subtle, causal." }, { "end_time": "1:15:32", "start_time": "1:15:27", "text": "At the gross level and at the subtle level, gross level, time is a reality." }, { "end_time": "1:15:33", "start_time": "1:15:32", "text": "Which which is our level?" }, { "end_time": "1:15:34", "start_time": "1:15:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:15:37", "start_time": "1:15:34", "text": "It's a it's a reality, physical waking state, what we call it." }, { "end_time": "1:15:40", "start_time": "1:15:37", "text": "In the waking state, time is a reality." }, { "end_time": "1:15:46", "start_time": "1:15:40", "text": "In the dream state, that means when you go to bed at night, for instance, everything is withdrawn." }, { "end_time": "1:15:51", "start_time": "1:15:46", "text": "All your body organs you know, the nerves are withdrawn, and only the mind is working." }, { "end_time": "1:15:56", "start_time": "1:15:51", "text": "Their time is a reality before and after." }, { "end_time": "1:16:01", "start_time": "1:15:56", "text": "That means you tran you you travel through timelines in your subtle state." }, { "end_time": "1:16:04", "start_time": "1:16:01", "text": "You could be 200 years before." }, { "end_time": "1:16:08", "start_time": "1:16:04", "text": "You could be 200 years later in your mind, in your subtle body." }, { "end_time": "1:16:15", "start_time": "1:16:08", "text": "And when you go into a deep sleep state, which is the causal, that time is not existing." }, { "end_time": "1:16:15", "start_time": "1:16:15", "text": "It's resolved." }, { "end_time": "1:16:21", "start_time": "1:16:15", "text": "It's like those kind of phases of sleep where you close your eyes and you open them and you're really fresh." }, { "end_time": "1:16:21", "start_time": "1:16:21", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:16:23", "start_time": "1:16:21", "text": "And it feels like 30 seconds have passed." }, { "end_time": "1:16:23", "start_time": "1:16:23", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:16:24", "start_time": "1:16:23", "text": "But it's actually Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:16:25", "start_time": "1:16:24", "text": "Night long sleep." }, { "end_time": "1:16:26", "start_time": "1:16:25", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:16:26", "start_time": "1:16:26", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:16:27", "start_time": "1:16:26", "text": "Deep sleep state." }, { "end_time": "1:16:28", "start_time": "1:16:27", "text": "Their time is not existing." }, { "end_time": "1:16:30", "start_time": "1:16:30", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "1:16:33", "start_time": "1:16:30", "text": "Are you trying to understand it more at this stage?" }, { "end_time": "1:16:35", "start_time": "1:16:34", "text": "I don't think so." }, { "end_time": "1:16:43", "start_time": "1:16:37", "text": "It it could be a limitation for the audience to hear a statement like this, but I don't feel the need to understand anything." }, { "end_time": "1:16:47", "start_time": "1:16:46", "text": "After studying the way." }, { "end_time": "1:16:50", "start_time": "1:16:49", "text": "After knowing god." }, { "end_time": "1:16:56", "start_time": "1:16:51", "text": "Before this Vedanta journey of yours began, and let's go back to that healing phase." }, { "end_time": "1:16:56", "start_time": "1:16:56", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:16:57", "start_time": "1:16:57", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:16:59", "start_time": "1:16:57", "text": "With the reiki, pranic healing, all that stuff." }, { "end_time": "1:17:03", "start_time": "1:17:00", "text": "Did you ever experience any form of plant medicine?" }, { "end_time": "1:17:04", "start_time": "1:17:03", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:17:04", "start_time": "1:17:04", "text": "Never?" }, { "end_time": "1:17:05", "start_time": "1:17:04", "text": "Never." }, { "end_time": "1:17:10", "start_time": "1:17:05", "text": "I don't know how the wisdom has always been there with me from child to stay away from things that are not good." }, { "end_time": "1:17:12", "start_time": "1:17:10", "text": "I've always stayed away." }, { "end_time": "1:17:13", "start_time": "1:17:12", "text": "Never?" }, { "end_time": "1:17:13", "start_time": "1:17:13", "text": "Never." }, { "end_time": "1:17:13", "start_time": "1:17:13", "text": "Never." }, { "end_time": "1:17:15", "start_time": "1:17:14", "text": "Any intoxication?" }, { "end_time": "1:17:15", "start_time": "1:17:15", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:17:15", "start_time": "1:17:15", "text": "Never." }, { "end_time": "1:17:16", "start_time": "1:17:15", "text": "Never." }, { "end_time": "1:17:16", "start_time": "1:17:16", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "1:17:20", "start_time": "1:17:17", "text": "Other than the intoxication generated by the mantra, John?" }, { "end_time": "1:17:20", "start_time": "1:17:20", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:17:21", "start_time": "1:17:20", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:17:24", "start_time": "1:17:21", "text": "Somehow, I have been away from all of this." }, { "end_time": "1:17:25", "start_time": "1:17:24", "text": "I don't know how." }, { "end_time": "1:17:25", "start_time": "1:17:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:17:28", "start_time": "1:17:26", "text": "Situations kept you away." }, { "end_time": "1:17:29", "start_time": "1:17:28", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:17:32", "start_time": "1:17:29", "text": "And I I feel God has always walked with me." }, { "end_time": "1:17:38", "start_time": "1:17:32", "text": "I've always been you know, it's like I've had close encounters with accidents, very close encounters." }, { "end_time": "1:17:44", "start_time": "1:17:38", "text": "Like, I just get up from the chair to pick up a hanky, and a fan falls down." }, { "end_time": "1:17:49", "start_time": "1:17:46", "text": "If I was not picking up that hanky, that fan would fall on my head." }, { "end_time": "1:17:54", "start_time": "1:17:50", "text": "I was riding a bike, and, a friend crossed me." }, { "end_time": "1:17:57", "start_time": "1:17:54", "text": "And I did hello to her, so I just bend this much." }, { "end_time": "1:18:02", "start_time": "1:17:58", "text": "And a branch went straight like this, cruising my head." }, { "end_time": "1:18:04", "start_time": "1:18:02", "text": "If I would not have bend like this, it would have gone here." }, { "end_time": "1:18:06", "start_time": "1:18:06", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:18:07", "start_time": "1:18:06", "text": "So close encounters." }, { "end_time": "1:18:11", "start_time": "1:18:07", "text": "So I've experienced the presence of god with me all the time." }, { "end_time": "1:18:17", "start_time": "1:18:13", "text": "I'm going to go back to my journey as a means to ask you the next set of questions." }, { "end_time": "1:18:25", "start_time": "1:18:18", "text": "When I was a part of YSS, intensely, I was meditating twice a day, and it was the best thing I did for myself Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:18:28", "start_time": "1:18:26", "text": "Because I genuinely felt like it was a cleanse." }, { "end_time": "1:18:28", "start_time": "1:18:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:18:31", "start_time": "1:18:29", "text": "I was also chanting my Hanuman Jialisa." }, { "end_time": "1:18:32", "start_time": "1:18:32", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:18:36", "start_time": "1:18:32", "text": "You know, I was sitting in my, mandir at home Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:18:42", "start_time": "1:18:36", "text": "Praying to the different deities, but I never truly understood what it meant to pray to deities." }, { "end_time": "1:18:48", "start_time": "1:18:42", "text": "I didn't understand how deep mantras Was it important to understand?" }, { "end_time": "1:18:50", "start_time": "1:18:49", "text": "Somebody made you do that." }, { "end_time": "1:18:52", "start_time": "1:18:50", "text": "Something made you do that." }, { "end_time": "1:19:02", "start_time": "1:18:53", "text": "All our sadhana, if I look back on the journey, it's as if somebody is making you do it more than you thinking and doing it." }, { "end_time": "1:19:04", "start_time": "1:19:02", "text": "1st standard, 2nd standard, 3rd standard." }, { "end_time": "1:19:04", "start_time": "1:19:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:19:04", "start_time": "1:19:04", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:19:05", "start_time": "1:19:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:19:12", "start_time": "1:19:07", "text": "I understood the depth of what a deity is through a podcast guest that we had." }, { "end_time": "1:19:13", "start_time": "1:19:12", "text": "His name is Rajeshi Nandy." }, { "end_time": "1:19:18", "start_time": "1:19:13", "text": "We've done more than 15 episodes with him probably on different deities." }, { "end_time": "1:19:21", "start_time": "1:19:19", "text": "Now I've understood what a deity is." }, { "end_time": "1:19:26", "start_time": "1:19:22", "text": "But it took me that transition of doing those 15 episodes with him." }, { "end_time": "1:19:35", "start_time": "1:19:26", "text": "And, like, understanding that, okay, we're talking about parabrahma or parmatma on one end, which is the universal consciousness, which is the goal, which is what Sanatana points you towards." }, { "end_time": "1:19:36", "start_time": "1:19:35", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:19:46", "start_time": "1:19:37", "text": "But a deity could be understood as being an extremely high level being almost at the Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:19:46", "start_time": "1:19:46", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:19:46", "start_time": "1:19:46", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:19:48", "start_time": "1:19:46", "text": "It is the gateway to Parmatma." }, { "end_time": "1:19:54", "start_time": "1:19:48", "text": "It's very difficult for anybody to penetrate into the reality, Brahman, just like that." }, { "end_time": "1:20:02", "start_time": "1:19:54", "text": "Deities become one of the important very, very important, via media, you know, to to take you there." }, { "end_time": "1:20:04", "start_time": "1:20:02", "text": "Because the love of the deity, deities are there." }, { "end_time": "1:20:04", "start_time": "1:20:04", "text": "They're living." }, { "end_time": "1:20:10", "start_time": "1:20:05", "text": "You know, so many 100 and thousands of, forms of God are there in India." }, { "end_time": "1:20:16", "start_time": "1:20:10", "text": "They're living there as portals of energy in a strata up there in the in the atmosphere." }, { "end_time": "1:20:25", "start_time": "1:20:16", "text": "They're living as portals of energy, which have been created by human faith, Asta, which have been created out of human faith and the worship and the invocation." }, { "end_time": "1:20:28", "start_time": "1:20:25", "text": "You see, it's all about energy if you really understand the science of it." }, { "end_time": "1:20:36", "start_time": "1:20:28", "text": "You know, if I take something, I take a stone, let's say, and I keep it here in front of me, And I believe this is God, suppose." }, { "end_time": "1:20:38", "start_time": "1:20:36", "text": "And I do worship to this stone every day." }, { "end_time": "1:20:40", "start_time": "1:20:38", "text": "I keep it close to my heart." }, { "end_time": "1:20:41", "start_time": "1:20:40", "text": "I give it energy." }, { "end_time": "1:20:47", "start_time": "1:20:41", "text": "I give it love, and I you know, I'm in walking the sleeping consciousness in it." }, { "end_time": "1:20:52", "start_time": "1:20:48", "text": "There is consciousness everywhere, but madma is there in every grain of this universe." }, { "end_time": "1:21:00", "start_time": "1:20:54", "text": "If a collective physical, all your staff starts worshiping a stone here every day, this becomes a living deity." }, { "end_time": "1:21:06", "start_time": "1:21:01", "text": "So out of human faith, we have 100 and thousands of these deities and idols out there." }, { "end_time": "1:21:09", "start_time": "1:21:06", "text": "They are actually living as portals of energy." }, { "end_time": "1:21:11", "start_time": "1:21:09", "text": "So if there is a, there is a." }, { "end_time": "1:21:13", "start_time": "1:21:12", "text": "And he showers on you." }, { "end_time": "1:21:16", "start_time": "1:21:13", "text": "What his qualities, is conditioned consciousness." }, { "end_time": "1:21:25", "start_time": "1:21:16", "text": "If you really understand it from the scientific Vedantic terms, there is pure consciousness, which is permatma, and then there's condition consciousness, which has got trigunas in it." }, { "end_time": "1:21:26", "start_time": "1:21:26", "text": "Expand." }, { "end_time": "1:21:28", "start_time": "1:21:26", "text": "Permatma is formless." }, { "end_time": "1:21:33", "start_time": "1:21:28", "text": "It's pure light, And condition consciousness has qualities, It has the." }, { "end_time": "1:21:38", "start_time": "1:21:34", "text": "So we have sattvic deities, rajasik deities, tamasik deities." }, { "end_time": "1:21:48", "start_time": "1:21:39", "text": "Sattvic deities are absolutely unproductive and only transcendental into Padmatma, like, Swati, you know, the white what we say, the white pure form." }, { "end_time": "1:21:51", "start_time": "1:21:49", "text": "Rajasik deities are all the Vaishnav faith." }, { "end_time": "1:22:11", "start_time": "1:21:51", "text": "You know, the entire Vaishnav faith, which is so, dear to householders, and it's the the Bhakta number is quite high for the Vaishnav faith because it is for the worldly living, and it gives you ideally this faith ideally gives you all that is required for a successful householder's life on earth." }, { "end_time": "1:22:15", "start_time": "1:22:11", "text": "And then you have then you have Tamasik, the deities which come under the reign of Shiva." }, { "end_time": "1:22:17", "start_time": "1:22:16", "text": "This is transcendental." }, { "end_time": "1:22:19", "start_time": "1:22:18", "text": "It's like." }, { "end_time": "1:22:21", "start_time": "1:22:20", "text": "It's a force." }, { "end_time": "1:22:25", "start_time": "1:22:22", "text": "Under the Shiva's clan comes all of the other deities." }, { "end_time": "1:22:34", "start_time": "1:22:25", "text": "Like, you have the Kali and the, you know, many of the Mahavidyas and, Behrove and all forms of, all the forms of Shiva." }, { "end_time": "1:22:35", "start_time": "1:22:34", "text": "They're they're scary." }, { "end_time": "1:22:41", "start_time": "1:22:36", "text": "They're they're dark, but they are transcendental, and they take you into permatma." }, { "end_time": "1:22:54", "start_time": "1:22:41", "text": "The beauty of this creation, as per Vedanta, is that any iota, any grain in this universe, however bad or good it is, can become a step ladder to go into permatma." }, { "end_time": "1:22:58", "start_time": "1:22:54", "text": "So we have created the Vedatas in our culture." }, { "end_time": "1:23:01", "start_time": "1:22:58", "text": "We have created the Vedatas for all kinds of people." }, { "end_time": "1:23:04", "start_time": "1:23:01", "text": "Those who pure hearted can go into." }, { "end_time": "1:23:18", "start_time": "1:23:05", "text": "Those who are and business minded, and they can go into and, you know, and those who are with, so to say, excessive tamas in them." }, { "end_time": "1:23:22", "start_time": "1:23:19", "text": "And when I use the word tamas, I never mean bad." }, { "end_time": "1:23:27", "start_time": "1:23:22", "text": "Tamas is very, very important stuff for transcendence." }, { "end_time": "1:23:35", "start_time": "1:23:27", "text": "This universe would have ended if there was no tamas because tamas finishes all that is decayed and creates space for creation to happen." }, { "end_time": "1:23:38", "start_time": "1:23:36", "text": "So Thomas is not bad, bad, bad." }, { "end_time": "1:23:39", "start_time": "1:23:38", "text": "But Thomas is dark." }, { "end_time": "1:23:41", "start_time": "1:23:40", "text": "Thomas is scary." }, { "end_time": "1:23:42", "start_time": "1:23:41", "text": "Thomas is mysterious." }, { "end_time": "1:23:46", "start_time": "1:23:43", "text": "He's mystic, and it holds huge potential." }, { "end_time": "1:23:53", "start_time": "1:23:46", "text": "So there are people who are dark, dark in sense of mind and clouded and derailed and." }, { "end_time": "1:24:00", "start_time": "1:23:56", "text": "We have devitas even for people who are derailed and gone off the track." }, { "end_time": "1:24:03", "start_time": "1:24:00", "text": "These devi devatas help them to uplift them." }, { "end_time": "1:24:04", "start_time": "1:24:03", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:24:06", "start_time": "1:24:04", "text": "They they they get uplifted and enter into permatma." }, { "end_time": "1:24:14", "start_time": "1:24:07", "text": "So it's very important to understand that this permatma, what we are talking, you know, is the goal." }, { "end_time": "1:24:17", "start_time": "1:24:15", "text": "And can be any." }, { "end_time": "1:24:21", "start_time": "1:24:17", "text": "And whatever one is doing, you know, one will achieve." }, { "end_time": "1:24:31", "start_time": "1:24:21", "text": "If you are a 100% surrender, one will achieve perfection and will enter into the realm of the ultimate Brahman." }, { "end_time": "1:24:32", "start_time": "1:24:31", "text": "Definitely will." }, { "end_time": "1:24:35", "start_time": "1:24:34", "text": "If not in this time, maybe next time." }, { "end_time": "1:24:36", "start_time": "1:24:35", "text": "They're bhaktas." }, { "end_time": "1:24:36", "start_time": "1:24:36", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:24:42", "start_time": "1:24:36", "text": "You have bhaktas of they they are into so many dedicate the life, and then they die." }, { "end_time": "1:24:43", "start_time": "1:24:42", "text": "So one would answer, okay." }, { "end_time": "1:24:45", "start_time": "1:24:43", "text": "How how has he entered into?" }, { "end_time": "1:24:48", "start_time": "1:24:45", "text": "We are taking life to be limited to birth and death." }, { "end_time": "1:24:49", "start_time": "1:24:48", "text": "It is not." }, { "end_time": "1:24:52", "start_time": "1:24:50", "text": "It is not limited to birth and death." }, { "end_time": "1:24:53", "start_time": "1:24:52", "text": "It is much beyond." }, { "end_time": "1:24:55", "start_time": "1:24:54", "text": "So the journey continues." }, { "end_time": "1:25:00", "start_time": "1:24:55", "text": "I mean, the wisdom you have, Ranveer, is not a wisdom of you as Ranveer in this life." }, { "end_time": "1:25:01", "start_time": "1:25:00", "text": "Is it?" }, { "end_time": "1:25:02", "start_time": "1:25:01", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:25:03", "start_time": "1:25:02", "text": "Same thing with me." }, { "end_time": "1:25:05", "start_time": "1:25:03", "text": "I told you I was not great in studies." }, { "end_time": "1:25:08", "start_time": "1:25:05", "text": "And where do I have so much of wisdom coming in from?" }, { "end_time": "1:25:14", "start_time": "1:25:08", "text": "It's coming from lifetimes and lifetimes and lifetimes of bhakti, shraddha, devotion, study, whatever." }, { "end_time": "1:25:18", "start_time": "1:25:14", "text": "How can one ensure that this is the last lifetime that they're spending in this realm?" }, { "end_time": "1:25:22", "start_time": "1:25:19", "text": "The knowing and the need of knowing comes from the ego." }, { "end_time": "1:25:25", "start_time": "1:25:23", "text": "When you drop that and who wants to know?" }, { "end_time": "1:25:28", "start_time": "1:25:26", "text": "There's nobody who wants to know." }, { "end_time": "1:25:31", "start_time": "1:25:28", "text": "Spirit takes care takes its own, path." }, { "end_time": "1:25:33", "start_time": "1:25:32", "text": "Correct?" }, { "end_time": "1:25:37", "start_time": "1:25:33", "text": "So you could dedicate every waking second to practice." }, { "end_time": "1:25:37", "start_time": "1:25:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:25:39", "start_time": "1:25:37", "text": "You still may not make it to enlightenment." }, { "end_time": "1:25:40", "start_time": "1:25:39", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:25:42", "start_time": "1:25:40", "text": "And this moment, you could get enlightened." }, { "end_time": "1:25:44", "start_time": "1:25:43", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:25:47", "start_time": "1:25:45", "text": "And this moment, you could get enlightenment." }, { "end_time": "1:25:50", "start_time": "1:25:47", "text": "That spark of understanding enters into your brain." }, { "end_time": "1:25:53", "start_time": "1:25:52", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:25:58", "start_time": "1:25:53", "text": "A couple of adjacent questions to whatever we spoke about, Devis and Devdas." }, { "end_time": "1:26:07", "start_time": "1:25:59", "text": "Also, I'm assuming that after your study of Vedanta, were you introduced to the world of Devis and Devdas just through meeting people and learning?" }, { "end_time": "1:26:07", "start_time": "1:26:07", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:26:08", "start_time": "1:26:07", "text": "Exploration." }, { "end_time": "1:26:10", "start_time": "1:26:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:26:12", "start_time": "1:26:11", "text": "Not one particular book?" }, { "end_time": "1:26:12", "start_time": "1:26:12", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:26:13", "start_time": "1:26:12", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:26:13", "start_time": "1:26:13", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:26:13", "start_time": "1:26:13", "text": "Exploration." }, { "end_time": "1:26:17", "start_time": "1:26:14", "text": "I I did Gayatri Sadhana for a long time." }, { "end_time": "1:26:19", "start_time": "1:26:17", "text": "I did many Anushtans of Gayatri." }, { "end_time": "1:26:22", "start_time": "1:26:19", "text": "I got into Krishna Bhakti for a long time." }, { "end_time": "1:26:26", "start_time": "1:26:22", "text": "I would dance with these con people, you know, for for a long time, I was there." }, { "end_time": "1:26:36", "start_time": "1:26:26", "text": "Then before I got the understanding of which lineage I belong to and when Gurudev's darshan I get darshan of my Gurudev, and he put me into the Maha Gandhi sadhana." }, { "end_time": "1:26:41", "start_time": "1:26:37", "text": "I I'm stable and here and ready to die here." }, { "end_time": "1:26:43", "start_time": "1:26:41", "text": "How old were you when you found the the mother?" }, { "end_time": "1:26:43", "start_time": "1:26:43", "text": "1991." }, { "end_time": "1:26:49", "start_time": "1:26:45", "text": "And you you must have been, like, 28?" }, { "end_time": "1:26:50", "start_time": "1:26:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:26:52", "start_time": "1:26:51", "text": "Almost 30." }, { "end_time": "1:26:54", "start_time": "1:26:54", "text": "28." }, { "end_time": "1:26:55", "start_time": "1:26:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:26:57", "start_time": "1:26:57", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:27:00", "start_time": "1:26:57", "text": "And slowly, steadily, I grew in that faith." }, { "end_time": "1:27:02", "start_time": "1:27:00", "text": "Slowly, steadily, I built up." }, { "end_time": "1:27:07", "start_time": "1:27:02", "text": "I started Ganesh worship and understanding reading about Ganesh and everything." }, { "end_time": "1:27:15", "start_time": "1:27:07", "text": "So, you know, at the human level, ego level, ego level, we lack we lack the depth of how much we wanna know." }, { "end_time": "1:27:22", "start_time": "1:27:15", "text": "It's it's like a part of you is desperate to know you more, but you're not able to penetrate through that." }, { "end_time": "1:27:24", "start_time": "1:27:23", "text": "There's something more." }, { "end_time": "1:27:25", "start_time": "1:27:24", "text": "There's something more." }, { "end_time": "1:27:27", "start_time": "1:27:25", "text": "It's like unraveling." }, { "end_time": "1:27:27", "start_time": "1:27:27", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:27:33", "start_time": "1:27:27", "text": "You're like digging into something, but it because the human limitation is the ego limits you." }, { "end_time": "1:27:34", "start_time": "1:27:33", "text": "The ego limits you." }, { "end_time": "1:27:42", "start_time": "1:27:34", "text": "The malleation of ego, the melting, the moltening of ego is the goal of all the 3 yogas of bhakti and jnana." }, { "end_time": "1:27:46", "start_time": "1:27:42", "text": "If the ego is not molten and not melted, then we have to take another life." }, { "end_time": "1:27:54", "start_time": "1:27:46", "text": "If the ego melts and melts into the god into god, it's like when I do my with with Ganesha, only Ganesha is there." }, { "end_time": "1:27:55", "start_time": "1:27:54", "text": "I'm not there." }, { "end_time": "1:27:58", "start_time": "1:27:55", "text": "And after that, even Ganesha disappears, and there's only light." }, { "end_time": "1:28:00", "start_time": "1:27:59", "text": "You see, these are the stages." }, { "end_time": "1:28:05", "start_time": "1:28:00", "text": "As long as you find yourself in, that means you are there and your idol is there." }, { "end_time": "1:28:08", "start_time": "1:28:05", "text": "You're doing your mantija power." }, { "end_time": "1:28:09", "start_time": "1:28:08", "text": "The idol is there." }, { "end_time": "1:28:10", "start_time": "1:28:09", "text": "You are there." }, { "end_time": "1:28:10", "start_time": "1:28:10", "text": "It's good." }, { "end_time": "1:28:11", "start_time": "1:28:10", "text": "Very good." }, { "end_time": "1:28:15", "start_time": "1:28:11", "text": "Slowly, steadily with your sadhana, you'll get closer and closer to the deity." }, { "end_time": "1:28:19", "start_time": "1:28:15", "text": "There will come a time when there'll be only the deity and you will not find yourself." }, { "end_time": "1:28:23", "start_time": "1:28:19", "text": "And there'll come will there will come a time when the deity dissolved in the light." }, { "end_time": "1:28:27", "start_time": "1:28:25", "text": "How do you quantify this journey?" }, { "end_time": "1:28:28", "start_time": "1:28:27", "text": "One can't." }, { "end_time": "1:28:28", "start_time": "1:28:28", "text": "Can't." }, { "end_time": "1:28:31", "start_time": "1:28:29", "text": "Again, limiting yourself to timeline." }, { "end_time": "1:28:35", "start_time": "1:28:32", "text": "Then then you don't be the need to quantify should not be there." }, { "end_time": "1:28:38", "start_time": "1:28:35", "text": "In this moment, I'm yours is what you need to tell god." }, { "end_time": "1:28:39", "start_time": "1:28:38", "text": "That's it." }, { "end_time": "1:28:43", "start_time": "1:28:39", "text": "That's why if you meet true bhaktas, they cry." }, { "end_time": "1:28:45", "start_time": "1:28:43", "text": "They cry out of the hook." }, { "end_time": "1:28:48", "start_time": "1:28:45", "text": "You know, the hook is like a word for hunger." }, { "end_time": "1:28:51", "start_time": "1:28:48", "text": "In Hindi, we have hook for liberation." }, { "end_time": "1:28:56", "start_time": "1:28:52", "text": "Liberation is that there's there's I dissolve myself into him." }, { "end_time": "1:28:59", "start_time": "1:28:56", "text": "That's the that's the stage of liberation that people want." }, { "end_time": "1:29:01", "start_time": "1:28:59", "text": "I don't wanna experience me anymore." }, { "end_time": "1:29:08", "start_time": "1:29:03", "text": "I once read a book on witchcraft just out of interest, and there was an entire section on deities." }, { "end_time": "1:29:09", "start_time": "1:29:08", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:29:12", "start_time": "1:29:09", "text": "But they hadn't mentioned Indian deities there, which I found fascinating." }, { "end_time": "1:29:14", "start_time": "1:29:12", "text": "And I wondered why it wasn't mentioned." }, { "end_time": "1:29:18", "start_time": "1:29:15", "text": "Secondly, the deities that were mentioned were Mesopotamian Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:29:19", "start_time": "1:29:18", "text": "Like Gilgamesh Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:29:25", "start_time": "1:29:20", "text": "And native American deities and Greek deities, Roman deities, African deities Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:29:30", "start_time": "1:29:27", "text": "Made me think that deities have been present in every single Every culture." }, { "end_time": "1:29:31", "start_time": "1:29:30", "text": "Faith, every culture." }, { "end_time": "1:29:32", "start_time": "1:29:31", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "1:29:37", "start_time": "1:29:32", "text": "And there are possibly countless religions and faiths which have faded away." }, { "end_time": "1:29:38", "start_time": "1:29:37", "text": "Crores of them." }, { "end_time": "1:29:38", "start_time": "1:29:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:29:39", "start_time": "1:29:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:29:39", "start_time": "1:29:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:29:44", "start_time": "1:29:40", "text": "Those deities are possibly still out there, still alive." }, { "end_time": "1:29:45", "start_time": "1:29:44", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:29:45", "start_time": "1:29:45", "text": "Slumber." }, { "end_time": "1:29:46", "start_time": "1:29:46", "text": "Dormant." }, { "end_time": "1:29:46", "start_time": "1:29:46", "text": "Dormant." }, { "end_time": "1:29:47", "start_time": "1:29:46", "text": "They go in slumber." }, { "end_time": "1:29:48", "start_time": "1:29:47", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:29:49", "start_time": "1:29:48", "text": "Dormant." }, { "end_time": "1:29:54", "start_time": "1:29:49", "text": "Because it's like it's like a portal of energy that you haven't tapped into for long." }, { "end_time": "1:29:56", "start_time": "1:29:55", "text": "Goes in slumber and it rests." }, { "end_time": "1:29:59", "start_time": "1:29:56", "text": "It's not a an uneasy rest." }, { "end_time": "1:30:02", "start_time": "1:29:59", "text": "It's a slumber, loving slumber into Parmatma." }, { "end_time": "1:30:03", "start_time": "1:30:02", "text": "Parmatma is the truth." }, { "end_time": "1:30:06", "start_time": "1:30:04", "text": "It sleeps into the lap of Parmatma." }, { "end_time": "1:30:10", "start_time": "1:30:07", "text": "If there's anybody invoking them again, they would awaken." }, { "end_time": "1:30:13", "start_time": "1:30:11", "text": "Like the Egyptian deities Ra Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:30:14", "start_time": "1:30:13", "text": "Anubis." }, { "end_time": "1:30:14", "start_time": "1:30:14", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:30:15", "start_time": "1:30:15", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:30:16", "start_time": "1:30:15", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "1:30:18", "start_time": "1:30:16", "text": "Have you ever been fascinated by those deities as well?" }, { "end_time": "1:30:25", "start_time": "1:30:18", "text": "When I was young, I read about a lot of I used to read about them, but to me, my Vedic roots were calling intensely." }, { "end_time": "1:30:28", "start_time": "1:30:26", "text": "And I knew this is not the end of this." }, { "end_time": "1:30:32", "start_time": "1:30:28", "text": "This is just a trailer of something I'm gonna, you know, visit sometime." }, { "end_time": "1:30:48", "start_time": "1:30:33", "text": "The only three cultures that I am currently aware of that actually are into deity worship are our culture, Sanathandam, secondly, Tibetan Buddhism, and thirdly, Mongolian culture." }, { "end_time": "1:30:54", "start_time": "1:30:48", "text": "I know that even in the modern day, these are the 3 cultures that are very serious about deity worship." }, { "end_time": "1:30:57", "start_time": "1:30:54", "text": "We happen to be the biggest thanks to the population and our geographic size." }, { "end_time": "1:30:58", "start_time": "1:30:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:31:14", "start_time": "1:31:01", "text": "My question to you is that do you think it was the will of the Paramatma, to keep the Sanathani deities alive through this phase of the human timeline?" }, { "end_time": "1:31:20", "start_time": "1:31:14", "text": "I don't think it distinguishes and differentiates between the culture here and culture there." }, { "end_time": "1:31:21", "start_time": "1:31:20", "text": "It's about people." }, { "end_time": "1:31:26", "start_time": "1:31:22", "text": "The people who are in this part of the world are keeping it alive." }, { "end_time": "1:31:32", "start_time": "1:31:27", "text": "You see the now that they go on the to Panharpur." }, { "end_time": "1:31:35", "start_time": "1:31:33", "text": "You see the madness in them." }, { "end_time": "1:31:39", "start_time": "1:31:35", "text": "You see the, you know, the Hare Krishna people." }, { "end_time": "1:31:40", "start_time": "1:31:39", "text": "See the madness in them." }, { "end_time": "1:31:41", "start_time": "1:31:40", "text": "The love and madness, I mean." }, { "end_time": "1:31:44", "start_time": "1:31:42", "text": "And you see the Jagannathri Ratrayatra." }, { "end_time": "1:31:49", "start_time": "1:31:45", "text": "You see the kind of so people are keeping that energy alive." }, { "end_time": "1:31:51", "start_time": "1:31:50", "text": "The deities alive." }, { "end_time": "1:32:01", "start_time": "1:31:51", "text": "In the culture other cultures, what you mentioned, modernism probably has taken over, you know, and, abuse of religion." }, { "end_time": "1:32:09", "start_time": "1:32:01", "text": "Deity worship has been a part of religion, Whether it's very traditional old religion or modern religion, it's been a part of it." }, { "end_time": "1:32:11", "start_time": "1:32:09", "text": "Abuse of religion has happened everywhere." }, { "end_time": "1:32:12", "start_time": "1:32:12", "text": "All cultures." }, { "end_time": "1:32:13", "start_time": "1:32:12", "text": "What is abuse of religion?" }, { "end_time": "1:32:17", "start_time": "1:32:13", "text": "Abuse of religions as in misusing the power." }, { "end_time": "1:32:31", "start_time": "1:32:18", "text": "Religious heads misusing the power, political heads attaching to the religious powers to take in, you know, to to twist and modify the scriptures and the interpretations to their convenience, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "1:32:40", "start_time": "1:32:32", "text": "So this era has been there all over the world where religious texts have been, you know, wrenched the way they wanted." }, { "end_time": "1:32:47", "start_time": "1:32:41", "text": "And, that era probably was in the in the history of humanity." }, { "end_time": "1:32:49", "start_time": "1:32:47", "text": "There was no self inquiry." }, { "end_time": "1:32:54", "start_time": "1:32:50", "text": "Today, when I look at people like you, I feel very happy." }, { "end_time": "1:33:03", "start_time": "1:32:55", "text": "I feel very happy because in your freedom, in your time, in your space, you're exploring the corridors of dharma and spirituality." }, { "end_time": "1:33:05", "start_time": "1:33:04", "text": "You're self inquiring." }, { "end_time": "1:33:25", "start_time": "1:33:05", "text": "And a lot of people like you, youngsters, they're liberated from the fear factor of religion, which was there for a very long time in all the cultures of the world, including the West, be it, you know, the the church or be it the Islam countries or be it the any old religions in the world." }, { "end_time": "1:33:31", "start_time": "1:33:25", "text": "The fear factor was something people got fed up of after a while, and they stopped." }, { "end_time": "1:33:31", "start_time": "1:33:31", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:33:33", "start_time": "1:33:31", "text": "We don't wanna be a part of this." }, { "end_time": "1:33:40", "start_time": "1:33:33", "text": "Self inquiry can come in in the freedom that you give yourself, you know, to find something about the supreme god." }, { "end_time": "1:33:48", "start_time": "1:33:40", "text": "So they the deities and idols and worship and all of this has remained here in India because we have kept it alive." }, { "end_time": "1:33:53", "start_time": "1:33:48", "text": "People have kept it alive despite the political and religious abuse." }, { "end_time": "1:33:59", "start_time": "1:33:54", "text": "We had caste system, which was the biggest abuse to the to the truth of Brahman." }, { "end_time": "1:34:01", "start_time": "1:34:00", "text": "Biggest abuse." }, { "end_time": "1:34:02", "start_time": "1:34:01", "text": "Brahman doesn't talk about caste." }, { "end_time": "1:34:05", "start_time": "1:34:02", "text": "It just talks about the for the forecast." }, { "end_time": "1:34:08", "start_time": "1:34:05", "text": "We're just talking about the and the nature that you had to do work." }, { "end_time": "1:34:12", "start_time": "1:34:08", "text": "In a family, you could be there could be 4 children with 4 different castes." }, { "end_time": "1:34:17", "start_time": "1:34:12", "text": "1 could be wanting to be intellectually, a professor like a Brahman." }, { "end_time": "1:34:19", "start_time": "1:34:17", "text": "1 could want to go and join the army." }, { "end_time": "1:34:20", "start_time": "1:34:19", "text": "He could be a Kshatriya." }, { "end_time": "1:34:24", "start_time": "1:34:20", "text": "1 could want to just work somewhere as a accountant or something." }, { "end_time": "1:34:29", "start_time": "1:34:24", "text": "He could be a, you know, a a a Shudra, and somebody would want to put up a shop." }, { "end_time": "1:34:30", "start_time": "1:34:29", "text": "He could be a Vaishya." }, { "end_time": "1:34:39", "start_time": "1:34:30", "text": "So caste system was misinterpreted and became one of the biggest religious abuses in the Hindu tradition, You know, still existing in many parts." }, { "end_time": "1:34:40", "start_time": "1:34:39", "text": "Still existing." }, { "end_time": "1:34:54", "start_time": "1:34:40", "text": "So despite this abuse this kind of abuse, religious and political abuse, we were we were, governed by, and, we were subjugated, and we were ruled by foreign authorities for such a long time." }, { "end_time": "1:35:01", "start_time": "1:34:54", "text": "So political, geographical, and religious abuse, yet this dharma has survived because the faith is huge." }, { "end_time": "1:35:03", "start_time": "1:35:02", "text": "Asta is huge." }, { "end_time": "1:35:05", "start_time": "1:35:04", "text": "You go to Gangaji." }, { "end_time": "1:35:14", "start_time": "1:35:05", "text": "You sit near the Gangaji in the evening, and you'll see you see people praying and rich people, poor people, everybody praying, and their prayers are answered." }, { "end_time": "1:35:16", "start_time": "1:35:14", "text": "I've experienced it." }, { "end_time": "1:35:17", "start_time": "1:35:16", "text": "The prayers are answered." }, { "end_time": "1:35:18", "start_time": "1:35:17", "text": "There's a talking." }, { "end_time": "1:35:19", "start_time": "1:35:18", "text": "She's a living goddess." }, { "end_time": "1:35:22", "start_time": "1:35:19", "text": "Ganga, all the rivers in India, they're goddesses." }, { "end_time": "1:35:23", "start_time": "1:35:22", "text": "We call them Maganga." }, { "end_time": "1:35:26", "start_time": "1:35:24", "text": "So it's it's as simple as that." }, { "end_time": "1:35:32", "start_time": "1:35:30", "text": "If you if you have faith, then you know she's a goddess." }, { "end_time": "1:35:34", "start_time": "1:35:32", "text": "Otherwise, it's flowing water." }, { "end_time": "1:35:38", "start_time": "1:35:34", "text": "So people who believe that she's a goddess, they start connecting." }, { "end_time": "1:35:40", "start_time": "1:35:38", "text": "Consciousness connects to consciousness." }, { "end_time": "1:35:41", "start_time": "1:35:41", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "1:35:42", "start_time": "1:35:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:35:43", "start_time": "1:35:42", "text": "Consciousness connects to consciousness." }, { "end_time": "1:35:50", "start_time": "1:35:50", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:35:54", "start_time": "1:35:51", "text": "See, I asked you the questions based on what I'm seeing in my head." }, { "end_time": "1:35:54", "start_time": "1:35:54", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:35:56", "start_time": "1:35:54", "text": "I'm answering what I'm based on my head." }, { "end_time": "1:35:58", "start_time": "1:35:57", "text": "So don't mind the next question." }, { "end_time": "1:35:59", "start_time": "1:35:58", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:36:07", "start_time": "1:36:02", "text": "The goal of Sanathandaram is to get to the or Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:36:09", "start_time": "1:36:08", "text": "Which is like universal consciousness." }, { "end_time": "1:36:19", "start_time": "1:36:11", "text": "The deities are a means to get you to that point, And then the deities have associated mantras and yantras." }, { "end_time": "1:36:22", "start_time": "1:36:19", "text": "Mantras are the chants that many of us are familiar with." }, { "end_time": "1:36:27", "start_time": "1:36:22", "text": "Yantras are a new concept that people are starting to learn about when it comes to the Indian Internet in 2024." }, { "end_time": "1:36:32", "start_time": "1:36:28", "text": "So my first question would be, what is a yandrant?" }, { "end_time": "1:36:33", "start_time": "1:36:32", "text": "You know, explain that." }, { "end_time": "1:36:34", "start_time": "1:36:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:36:49", "start_time": "1:36:34", "text": "The second question is, touching upon and not completely opening it up, but just touching upon the aspect of what the world calls black magic or what we call in our culture." }, { "end_time": "1:36:52", "start_time": "1:36:50", "text": "So up to you." }, { "end_time": "1:36:55", "start_time": "1:36:52", "text": "However, you want to expand on it, but starting with what are yantras." }, { "end_time": "1:36:56", "start_time": "1:36:55", "text": "Yantra is an instrument." }, { "end_time": "1:37:01", "start_time": "1:36:56", "text": "The word yantra little translation of the yantra word means it's a machine." }, { "end_time": "1:37:03", "start_time": "1:37:01", "text": "Yantra means it's an instrument." }, { "end_time": "1:37:07", "start_time": "1:37:03", "text": "It's a machine for a mantra to play." }, { "end_time": "1:37:12", "start_time": "1:37:09", "text": "Yantra is a machine for a mantra to play." }, { "end_time": "1:37:13", "start_time": "1:37:12", "text": "What is a mantra?" }, { "end_time": "1:37:18", "start_time": "1:37:14", "text": "Yantra is a machine for a mantra to play and for the tantra to happen." }, { "end_time": "1:37:20", "start_time": "1:37:19", "text": "Tantra is healing." }, { "end_time": "1:37:22", "start_time": "1:37:21", "text": "What is a mantra?" }, { "end_time": "1:37:30", "start_time": "1:37:23", "text": "Set of words mystical words, often sounds often sounds or could have a pinpointed deity indication." }, { "end_time": "1:37:32", "start_time": "1:37:31", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:37:35", "start_time": "1:37:32", "text": "And so that mantra starts playing in the yantra." }, { "end_time": "1:37:37", "start_time": "1:37:35", "text": "Yantra is a cosmic diagram often." }, { "end_time": "1:37:39", "start_time": "1:37:37", "text": "It's a cosmic diagram." }, { "end_time": "1:37:41", "start_time": "1:37:39", "text": "Those those that we call yantra, and we don't call them mandala." }, { "end_time": "1:37:45", "start_time": "1:37:41", "text": "Mandalas are another word synonymous word to yantra." }, { "end_time": "1:37:50", "start_time": "1:37:45", "text": "The mandala is a more casual word, whereas yantra is a more specific, technical word." }, { "end_time": "1:37:56", "start_time": "1:37:51", "text": "So a yantra that comes from our tradition, from our, you know, Vedic tradition." }, { "end_time": "1:37:58", "start_time": "1:37:56", "text": "These yantras are very geometric." }, { "end_time": "1:38:03", "start_time": "1:37:58", "text": "They're mystical diagrams, and they have activated points by the rishis." }, { "end_time": "1:38:10", "start_time": "1:38:03", "text": "The rishis have, we say that they have worshiped or focused or done the Harnadhyana Samadhi." }, { "end_time": "1:38:13", "start_time": "1:38:10", "text": "We call it application of, Sanyam." }, { "end_time": "1:38:17", "start_time": "1:38:14", "text": "Sanyam is a word which is a combination of all these three words." }, { "end_time": "1:38:20", "start_time": "1:38:18", "text": "Dharana, Dhyana Samadhi means." }, { "end_time": "1:38:22", "start_time": "1:38:21", "text": "Alright?" }, { "end_time": "1:38:36", "start_time": "1:38:22", "text": "So the rishis that have done on these yantras for years together, and that yantra has become like a machine that anybody, x y zed person, sits with that machine and begins the process of worship." }, { "end_time": "1:38:43", "start_time": "1:38:36", "text": "The old activation starts it starts emanating that energy in which, you know, it was born." }, { "end_time": "1:38:45", "start_time": "1:38:43", "text": "The yantra was born to a rishi." }, { "end_time": "1:38:47", "start_time": "1:38:45", "text": "Most of these yantras are born to Rishis." }, { "end_time": "1:38:49", "start_time": "1:38:47", "text": "They have downloaded these yantras." }, { "end_time": "1:38:58", "start_time": "1:38:50", "text": "So if I am to take a paper and precisely draw a particular yantra and sit next to it and start a mantra job, it will work." }, { "end_time": "1:39:01", "start_time": "1:38:59", "text": "And my mantra job will be more effective." }, { "end_time": "1:39:03", "start_time": "1:39:02", "text": "It's both ways." }, { "end_time": "1:39:10", "start_time": "1:39:04", "text": "This accelerates the energy in the yantra, and the yantra accelerates your it's it's like a circuit." }, { "end_time": "1:39:12", "start_time": "1:39:11", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:39:17", "start_time": "1:39:12", "text": "So it improves it invokes and improves the in you, and you would be more dedicated." }, { "end_time": "1:39:19", "start_time": "1:39:17", "text": "So it's like a magic happening." }, { "end_time": "1:39:20", "start_time": "1:39:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:39:24", "start_time": "1:39:21", "text": "I'm going back to that same witchcraft book that I read." }, { "end_time": "1:39:24", "start_time": "1:39:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:39:27", "start_time": "1:39:24", "text": "Not to compare Sanathandam to what the world calls witchcraft." }, { "end_time": "1:39:40", "start_time": "1:39:27", "text": "But there are witchcraft based techniques which involve crystals and flowers of a particular color and certain foods where you put them together and start some kind of chanting." }, { "end_time": "1:39:42", "start_time": "1:39:40", "text": "And the chanting could even be in modern day English." }, { "end_time": "1:39:42", "start_time": "1:39:42", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:39:54", "start_time": "1:39:43", "text": "Witchcraft says that that practice, when you combine objects with chanting under certain environmental conditions and, at a certain time in the day Cosmic time." }, { "end_time": "1:39:54", "start_time": "1:39:54", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:39:56", "start_time": "1:39:54", "text": "It will create some kind of effect." }, { "end_time": "1:39:56", "start_time": "1:39:56", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:40:00", "start_time": "1:39:56", "text": "And this is the basis of what western witchcraft is based on." }, { "end_time": "1:40:01", "start_time": "1:40:00", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:40:04", "start_time": "1:40:01", "text": "That got me thinking about yantras and mantras." }, { "end_time": "1:40:06", "start_time": "1:40:04", "text": "And this is again, we're not comparing the 2." }, { "end_time": "1:40:12", "start_time": "1:40:06", "text": "But as we said earlier on the show, it is said that the Vedas are older than 2 lakh years old." }, { "end_time": "1:40:19", "start_time": "1:40:13", "text": "So now this is a technique which has evolved over so many phases of the human story." }, { "end_time": "1:40:19", "start_time": "1:40:19", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:40:21", "start_time": "1:40:19", "text": "And now we have the mantra and the yantra." }, { "end_time": "1:40:22", "start_time": "1:40:21", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:40:31", "start_time": "1:40:23", "text": "I also believe that each letter within a mantra, definitely has an impact on the human body as well as your astral." }, { "end_time": "1:40:32", "start_time": "1:40:31", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:40:32", "start_time": "1:40:32", "text": "It does." }, { "end_time": "1:40:35", "start_time": "1:40:32", "text": "Which is why when you combine them in a certain pattern Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:40:39", "start_time": "1:40:35", "text": "It's like a letter could be understood as the key of the piano and the mantra could be understood as the song." }, { "end_time": "1:40:40", "start_time": "1:40:39", "text": "Have 50 points." }, { "end_time": "1:40:41", "start_time": "1:40:40", "text": "We say the Shakti points." }, { "end_time": "1:40:45", "start_time": "1:40:42", "text": "There we we do a Shakti point activation in the Mahavidya sadhana." }, { "end_time": "1:40:46", "start_time": "1:40:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:40:54", "start_time": "1:40:46", "text": "The 50 points in your body, the Shakti points, all the varnamala, o, a e e, u u, has come out of these they are the sounds of the Shakti points." }, { "end_time": "1:40:59", "start_time": "1:40:55", "text": "Where microanalysis of these shakti points, that sound comes out of this shakti point." }, { "end_time": "1:41:02", "start_time": "1:40:59", "text": "So the entire alphabets in Sanskrit, what are there?" }, { "end_time": "1:41:05", "start_time": "1:41:02", "text": "The word Namala has come out of these 50 shakti points." }, { "end_time": "1:41:19", "start_time": "1:41:05", "text": "So, obviously, the the choice of the words what we call the has a certain vibrational frequency that penetrates and activates that particular deity or that particular, you know, power, that particular power." }, { "end_time": "1:41:22", "start_time": "1:41:19", "text": "So yantras mostly have mantras which have." }, { "end_time": "1:41:24", "start_time": "1:41:24", "text": "Gotcha." }, { "end_time": "1:41:29", "start_time": "1:41:26", "text": "So it's actually a triangular thing that's happening." }, { "end_time": "1:41:31", "start_time": "1:41:29", "text": "Your body is one of the objects." }, { "end_time": "1:41:33", "start_time": "1:41:31", "text": "The yantra is the the other object." }, { "end_time": "1:41:38", "start_time": "1:41:34", "text": "And the mantra which connects you to the to the deity is the third point in the triangle." }, { "end_time": "1:41:46", "start_time": "1:41:38", "text": "There is a phrase called your body itself is the yantra." }, { "end_time": "1:41:49", "start_time": "1:41:47", "text": "It says your body itself is the yantra." }, { "end_time": "1:41:55", "start_time": "1:41:49", "text": "So the practice when the sadhaka does a practice with the mantra and the yantra, his body itself becomes that yantra." }, { "end_time": "1:42:01", "start_time": "1:41:55", "text": "The play of the game which is happening in that paper which you had drawn, the play actually starts happening within your body." }, { "end_time": "1:42:02", "start_time": "1:42:02", "text": "Gotcha." }, { "end_time": "1:42:02", "start_time": "1:42:02", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:42:03", "start_time": "1:42:02", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "1:42:07", "start_time": "1:42:03", "text": "Very nice explanation of mantra, yantra, and tantra." }, { "end_time": "1:42:07", "start_time": "1:42:07", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:42:08", "start_time": "1:42:08", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:42:17", "start_time": "1:42:09", "text": "Can we speak a little bit about prayog as well as the aspect of, for lack of better words, black magic in our culture?" }, { "end_time": "1:42:17", "start_time": "1:42:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:42:23", "start_time": "1:42:17", "text": "As well as something like voodoo from Africa." }, { "end_time": "1:42:23", "start_time": "1:42:23", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:42:25", "start_time": "1:42:23", "text": "What is the linkage between the 2?" }, { "end_time": "1:42:27", "start_time": "1:42:25", "text": "We had someone on the show who's a cyclist." }, { "end_time": "1:42:29", "start_time": "1:42:27", "text": "He cycles all over the world." }, { "end_time": "1:42:34", "start_time": "1:42:29", "text": "And he said that he'd been to Benin and Togo in Africa where he experienced voodoo ceremonies." }, { "end_time": "1:42:34", "start_time": "1:42:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:42:37", "start_time": "1:42:34", "text": "And he described the voodoo ceremony a little bit." }, { "end_time": "1:42:48", "start_time": "1:42:37", "text": "Sounded similar to what we just spoke about with respect to witchcraft, which again makes me think that human beings in different geographical locations on our planet had figured how to hack the simulation." }, { "end_time": "1:42:49", "start_time": "1:42:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:42:51", "start_time": "1:42:49", "text": "And that is the basis of Prayoga as well." }, { "end_time": "1:42:52", "start_time": "1:42:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:42:55", "start_time": "1:42:52", "text": "That we all live in a simulation, but, hey, here's a cheat code." }, { "end_time": "1:43:00", "start_time": "1:42:55", "text": "And the cheat code can be activated if you do a certain kind of practice." }, { "end_time": "1:43:00", "start_time": "1:43:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:43:03", "start_time": "1:43:01", "text": "So I over to you, ma'am." }, { "end_time": "1:43:10", "start_time": "1:43:04", "text": "See, I'm a person who believes in love, peace, and, light." }, { "end_time": "1:43:11", "start_time": "1:43:10", "text": "I believe in that." }, { "end_time": "1:43:16", "start_time": "1:43:11", "text": "And, hence, this black stuff, I could never relate to in my life." }, { "end_time": "1:43:29", "start_time": "1:43:17", "text": "However, I see that maximum people that come to people like me for advice and they when they are in trouble, they're often told that there's something done on them and there's, you know, the evil eye and there's black stuff happening and all that." }, { "end_time": "1:43:39", "start_time": "1:43:29", "text": "So I do understand energy very well, and I understand that energy and god, what we call Parmatma, is not differentiating between good work and bad work." }, { "end_time": "1:43:44", "start_time": "1:43:39", "text": "Energy is energy, and energy will work whichever way you invoke it." }, { "end_time": "1:43:49", "start_time": "1:43:44", "text": "So good work and bad work is a matter of human intellect and human nature." }, { "end_time": "1:43:53", "start_time": "1:43:50", "text": "A snake is venomous, and it wants to bite." }, { "end_time": "1:43:54", "start_time": "1:43:53", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:43:58", "start_time": "1:43:54", "text": "And, there are so many animals that only know how to love." }, { "end_time": "1:44:00", "start_time": "1:43:59", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:44:05", "start_time": "1:44:00", "text": "So human minds are so many, and there are some human minds which are attracted to the dark." }, { "end_time": "1:44:10", "start_time": "1:44:06", "text": "They're attracted to the dark world, to the dark application, and to the dark subject." }, { "end_time": "1:44:13", "start_time": "1:44:11", "text": "What we call prayog doing dark prayog." }, { "end_time": "1:44:19", "start_time": "1:44:13", "text": "There's there's white practice, there is red practice, and there is black practice in all energy works." }, { "end_time": "1:44:20", "start_time": "1:44:19", "text": "What is red?" }, { "end_time": "1:44:26", "start_time": "1:44:20", "text": "The white practice would mean I'm utilizing this tantra to reach god." }, { "end_time": "1:44:38", "start_time": "1:44:27", "text": "So they are only interested the right practitioners are only interested in putting the samyam, that means the harnadhyam samadhi on the yantra and the mantra to reach god." }, { "end_time": "1:44:39", "start_time": "1:44:38", "text": "This is white practice." }, { "end_time": "1:44:47", "start_time": "1:44:40", "text": "The red practice is when I'm utilizing the samyam to create productivity, creativity, happiness, and joy in the world." }, { "end_time": "1:44:54", "start_time": "1:44:47", "text": "That means I help a businessman or I help a person to get well out of his sickness or I help a person to have better relationship, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "1:45:05", "start_time": "1:44:55", "text": "This is a red practice where the application of the samyam is probably benefit humanity to transcend suffering and overcome whatever obstacles and difficulties they have." }, { "end_time": "1:45:08", "start_time": "1:45:06", "text": "Black practice is like madness." }, { "end_time": "1:45:09", "start_time": "1:45:09", "text": "It's like madness." }, { "end_time": "1:45:19", "start_time": "1:45:10", "text": "It's like it's like decaying intelligence that does not understand and discriminate and find a need to be in the light." }, { "end_time": "1:45:23", "start_time": "1:45:20", "text": "So you always have that those kind of species here on earth." }, { "end_time": "1:45:27", "start_time": "1:45:23", "text": "Whether it is the animal kingdom or insect kingdom, you always have dark practitioners." }, { "end_time": "1:45:29", "start_time": "1:45:28", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:45:43", "start_time": "1:45:29", "text": "And I don't relate to that subject at all because I feel that we are here on Earth to to to cherish the the glory of Earth and to celebrate this beautiful game of life that God has created." }, { "end_time": "1:45:46", "start_time": "1:45:43", "text": "And we are here to to understand God." }, { "end_time": "1:45:52", "start_time": "1:45:46", "text": "Because after leaving the human body, the possibility of growth and understanding is not there." }, { "end_time": "1:45:56", "start_time": "1:45:52", "text": "Human body, we god has, you know, after it." }, { "end_time": "1:46:01", "start_time": "1:45:57", "text": "He has taken after it in a human body to make you understand who he is." }, { "end_time": "1:46:07", "start_time": "1:46:01", "text": "So the black stuff, there are people, maybe people they are doing that you hear of, lot of people doing." }, { "end_time": "1:46:12", "start_time": "1:46:07", "text": "And it will work this, I'm sure, because energy is energy is energy." }, { "end_time": "1:46:16", "start_time": "1:46:12", "text": "If I have dirt over here, the light will show the dirt." }, { "end_time": "1:46:19", "start_time": "1:46:16", "text": "It's not going to discriminate that this is dirty, and I don't have to show it." }, { "end_time": "1:46:20", "start_time": "1:46:20", "text": "Correct?" }, { "end_time": "1:46:26", "start_time": "1:46:20", "text": "So consciousness pure consciousness is unconditioned and is not discriminating." }, { "end_time": "1:46:33", "start_time": "1:46:28", "text": "If somebody is invoking this consciousness for destruction, it gives the power." }, { "end_time": "1:46:35", "start_time": "1:46:34", "text": "Your mind is your friend." }, { "end_time": "1:46:38", "start_time": "1:46:35", "text": "Your mind is an enemy is your enemy, says Bhagavad Gita." }, { "end_time": "1:46:39", "start_time": "1:46:39", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:46:55", "start_time": "1:46:39", "text": "So if a human mind gets into destruction, whether it is destruction in the form of terrorism or a politically oriented, religious oriented jihadi, or it comes into energy play, it's a negative mind." }, { "end_time": "1:46:57", "start_time": "1:46:56", "text": "And this is there." }, { "end_time": "1:46:58", "start_time": "1:46:57", "text": "So how does one protect?" }, { "end_time": "1:47:03", "start_time": "1:46:58", "text": "See, to me, the subject or how it is done, why it is done is not my subject." }, { "end_time": "1:47:09", "start_time": "1:47:04", "text": "But how does one protect himself from all the projections that are there?" }, { "end_time": "1:47:13", "start_time": "1:47:09", "text": "For instance, if there's a venomous snake in my house, I must know how to protect myself." }, { "end_time": "1:47:25", "start_time": "1:47:14", "text": "Similarly, if you have people at large doing the black magic, especially that utilized for destruction of others, whether done professionally or as a hobby." }, { "end_time": "1:47:28", "start_time": "1:47:26", "text": "How does one protect himself?" }, { "end_time": "1:47:30", "start_time": "1:47:28", "text": "The name of god, namsmaran." }, { "end_time": "1:47:34", "start_time": "1:47:31", "text": "There is no powerful potent medicine than that." }, { "end_time": "1:47:44", "start_time": "1:47:35", "text": "Anybody who is constantly in namsmaran and meditates, supported by meditation is the most potent formula." }, { "end_time": "1:47:48", "start_time": "1:47:46", "text": "Do little and do a little meditation." }, { "end_time": "1:47:52", "start_time": "1:47:49", "text": "And always visualize yourself being surrounded by the light." }, { "end_time": "1:47:56", "start_time": "1:47:52", "text": "And disassociate yourself completely in your head." }, { "end_time": "1:47:58", "start_time": "1:47:56", "text": "Is the of the." }, { "end_time": "1:48:06", "start_time": "1:48:00", "text": "So you're in your, there should be a conviction that I'm connected to the light and only to the light, and nothing can touch me." }, { "end_time": "1:48:08", "start_time": "1:48:07", "text": "Believe you, me." }, { "end_time": "1:48:08", "start_time": "1:48:08", "text": "Nothing will touch you." }, { "end_time": "1:48:10", "start_time": "1:48:08", "text": "No will work on you." }, { "end_time": "1:48:13", "start_time": "1:48:11", "text": "Has anything ever happened to you?" }, { "end_time": "1:48:13", "start_time": "1:48:13", "text": "Never." }, { "end_time": "1:48:16", "start_time": "1:48:14", "text": "That energy has not tried?" }, { "end_time": "1:48:17", "start_time": "1:48:16", "text": "Never." }, { "end_time": "1:48:20", "start_time": "1:48:17", "text": "And I've done healing work for a long time, but never." }, { "end_time": "1:48:23", "start_time": "1:48:22", "text": "Providence, I'd play a little bit again." }, { "end_time": "1:48:24", "start_time": "1:48:23", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:48:24", "start_time": "1:48:24", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:48:27", "start_time": "1:48:25", "text": "Ma, that was the first episode." }, { "end_time": "1:48:30", "start_time": "1:48:28", "text": "Very nice getting to know you." }, { "end_time": "1:48:30", "start_time": "1:48:30", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:48:31", "start_time": "1:48:30", "text": "Thank you so much, Janine." }, { "end_time": "1:48:33", "start_time": "1:48:31", "text": "Very nice to getting to know you." }, { "end_time": "1:48:34", "start_time": "1:48:33", "text": "All my blessings." }, { "end_time": "1:48:43", "start_time": "1:48:34", "text": "May love, light just showered on you immensely and on all your audience, and may you become such a big instrument of love and light on earth." }, { "end_time": "1:48:43", "start_time": "1:48:43", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:48:44", "start_time": "1:48:43", "text": "Thank you, ma'am." }, { "end_time": "1:48:45", "start_time": "1:48:44", "text": "Means a lot." }, { "end_time": "1:48:50", "start_time": "1:48:46", "text": "Looking forward to the next episode because there's a lot of questions that I haven't asked yet." }, { "end_time": "1:48:51", "start_time": "1:48:50", "text": "I'm here ready." }, { "end_time": "1:48:52", "start_time": "1:48:51", "text": "I'm here." }, { "end_time": "1:48:53", "start_time": "1:48:52", "text": "So we'll see you soon." }, { "end_time": "1:48:54", "start_time": "1:48:53", "text": "Thank you, ma'am." }, { "end_time": "1:48:55", "start_time": "1:48:54", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:48:55", "start_time": "1:48:55", "text": "Namaste." }, { "end_time": "1:48:58", "start_time": "1:48:56", "text": "So that was the episode for today, ladies and gentlemen." }, { "end_time": "1:48:59", "start_time": "1:48:58", "text": "What did I tell you?" }, { "end_time": "1:49:00", "start_time": "1:48:59", "text": "It's an all star." }, { "end_time": "1:49:03", "start_time": "1:49:01", "text": "Another episode featuring her will release very soon." }, { "end_time": "1:49:14", "start_time": "1:49:04", "text": "That one was more dash Mahavidya centric and we've covered that topic with Raja Jin and Lisa, but it's such an elaborate topic that it needs to be understood even more deeply." }, { "end_time": "1:49:25", "start_time": "1:49:15", "text": "I'm always on the lookout for female spiritual leaders because I feel there isn't enough female representation in the spiritual thought leader space in our country." }, { "end_time": "1:49:29", "start_time": "1:49:25", "text": "So ladies and gentlemen, please send in your guest recommendations." }, { "end_time": "1:49:34", "start_time": "1:49:29", "text": "Of course, in the coming few months, I will be covering Jainism as a topic." }, { "end_time": "1:49:38", "start_time": "1:49:34", "text": "I'm also looking for experts on Buddhism, on Tibetan Buddhism." }, { "end_time": "1:49:40", "start_time": "1:49:38", "text": "So please send in your guest recommendations." }, { "end_time": "1:49:43", "start_time": "1:49:40", "text": "And until next time guys from Ranveer and the team." }, { "end_time": "1:49:44", "start_time": "1:49:43", "text": "We'll see you very soon." } ] }

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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:02", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "Doctor Somnath, welcome to the Ravi show." }, { "end_time": "0:05", "start_time": "0:03", "text": "Doctor Somnath This was cheese." }, { "end_time": "0:05", "start_time": "0:05", "text": "Mister Somnath." }, { "end_time": "0:06", "start_time": "0:06", "text": "Hi." }, { "end_time": "0:07", "start_time": "0:06", "text": "We have a cheer from Please." }, { "end_time": "0:08", "start_time": "0:07", "text": "Off line." }, { "end_time": "0:10", "start_time": "0:08", "text": "To What?" }, { "end_time": "0:10", "start_time": "0:10", "text": "On the moon?" }, { "end_time": "0:12", "start_time": "0:11", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "0:13", "start_time": "0:12", "text": "On the moon." }, { "end_time": "0:16", "start_time": "0:13", "text": "Is this real thinking of a space tourism project?" }, { "end_time": "0:20", "start_time": "0:16", "text": "We have a vision till 2047 now to send human beings to moon." }, { "end_time": "0:22", "start_time": "0:20", "text": "Do you think our planet is visited by extraterrestrial?" }, { "end_time": "0:23", "start_time": "0:22", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "0:24", "start_time": "0:23", "text": "No doubt about it." }, { "end_time": "0:26", "start_time": "0:24", "text": "There are aliens out in the universe." }, { "end_time": "0:27", "start_time": "0:26", "text": "You're the chairperson of ISRO's?" }, { "end_time": "0:28", "start_time": "0:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "0:28", "start_time": "0:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "0:31", "start_time": "0:28", "text": "I'm telling you, they will treat you like a earthworm." }, { "end_time": "0:37", "start_time": "0:32", "text": "I have to bring up a slightly current affairs topic next, which is, Sunita Williams, ma'am." }, { "end_time": "0:41", "start_time": "0:37", "text": "Astronaut Sunita Williams will be spending more time and training." }, { "end_time": "0:44", "start_time": "0:41", "text": "Is there anything that we can do at ISRO in India?" }, { "end_time": "0:50", "start_time": "0:45", "text": "The only possibilities are Especially when it comes to the Chandrayan tree, everyone's so full of celebratory emotions." }, { "end_time": "0:56", "start_time": "0:53", "text": "Like, what have we learned about the moon through the Chandrayan tree?" }, { "end_time": "0:56", "start_time": "0:56", "text": "Many things." }, { "end_time": "1:06", "start_time": "0:57", "text": "The little tiny part of me that feels like ISRO has some very, very important projects that are kept secret away from the public eye for good reason." }, { "end_time": "1:07", "start_time": "1:06", "text": "Believe that and continue." }, { "end_time": "1:12", "start_time": "1:09", "text": "What kind of conversation happened about Elon Musk within his room?" }, { "end_time": "1:12", "start_time": "1:12", "text": "Look at him." }, { "end_time": "1:13", "start_time": "1:12", "text": "How what he's doing?" }, { "end_time": "1:17", "start_time": "1:13", "text": "It is rockets and so use abilities, the new spacecrafts that you're designing." }, { "end_time": "1:21", "start_time": "1:17", "text": "But if you were in a room with him, what would the conversation be like between you 2?" }, { "end_time": "1:24", "start_time": "1:21", "text": "So what is his vision to move human beings to exosolar planets?" }, { "end_time": "1:25", "start_time": "1:24", "text": "I'll ask him straight." }, { "end_time": "1:26", "start_time": "1:25", "text": "Exosolar planets." }, { "end_time": "1:27", "start_time": "1:26", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:29", "start_time": "1:27", "text": "The planets belonging to another star." }, { "end_time": "1:31", "start_time": "1:29", "text": "Would you be open to a teaming up with Elon Musk?" }, { "end_time": "1:32", "start_time": "1:31", "text": "Why not?" }, { "end_time": "1:32", "start_time": "1:32", "text": "Definitely." }, { "end_time": "1:35", "start_time": "1:32", "text": "Does NASA share that data with other space agencies?" }, { "end_time": "1:37", "start_time": "1:35", "text": "Nobody shares data with anyone." }, { "end_time": "1:41", "start_time": "1:37", "text": "But there is things that America probably knows about Mars that India doesn't right now." }, { "end_time": "1:42", "start_time": "1:41", "text": "Of course, they will." }, { "end_time": "1:44", "start_time": "1:42", "text": "And there's things India knows about the moon that America doesn't." }, { "end_time": "1:46", "start_time": "1:44", "text": "In my opinion, there could be something." }, { "end_time": "1:46", "start_time": "1:46", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:47", "start_time": "1:47", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "1:48", "start_time": "1:48", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:52", "start_time": "1:48", "text": "In your whole career, like, what's the strangest thing that you learned about outer space?" }, { "end_time": "1:55", "start_time": "1:52", "text": "We all know that, universe is expanding." }, { "end_time": "1:58", "start_time": "1:55", "text": "What we are talking to each other, there is a light coming out of our face." }, { "end_time": "2:05", "start_time": "1:58", "text": "If it has any way to escape through this a small window in this room and go into space, our image will be going into the space." }, { "end_time": "2:17", "start_time": "2:05", "text": "Even after we are dead and gone, the light that came out of us will be still traveling in the universe, and anybody looks at that light will be able to see us living, talking to each other." }, { "end_time": "2:38", "start_time": "2:23", "text": "This is one of the most iconic moments in my own career because we have one of the icons of modern day India, doctor s Somnath, the chairperson of ISRO, who also overlooked the Chandrayaan 3 mission that we all celebrated last year." }, { "end_time": "2:46", "start_time": "2:39", "text": "In order to mark the success of the Chandrayaan 3, 23rd August, every single year will be celebrated as National Space Day." }, { "end_time": "3:04", "start_time": "2:47", "text": "So on the 1st annual National Space Day celebration, we are going to be celebrating ISRO and speaking in detail about the multiple missions like the Gaganyaan mission, the Adityan mission, the Shukrayan mission, and many other aspects of modern day space tech." }, { "end_time": "3:15", "start_time": "3:04", "text": "If you're someone who enjoys conversations about outer space, about our solar system, about aliens, about black holes, and about everything that our country is up to in the world of space tech." }, { "end_time": "3:21", "start_time": "3:15", "text": "This is going to be one of the most memorable conversations and one of the most iconic podcast you'll ever listen to." }, { "end_time": "3:26", "start_time": "3:21", "text": "That's a promise because it's doctor s Somnath on t r s." }, { "end_time": "3:47", "start_time": "3:44", "text": "Doctor Somnath, welcome to the Ranveer Show." }, { "end_time": "3:48", "start_time": "3:47", "text": "Thank you so much." }, { "end_time": "3:49", "start_time": "3:48", "text": "How are you, sir?" }, { "end_time": "3:50", "start_time": "3:49", "text": "I'm fine." }, { "end_time": "3:54", "start_time": "3:51", "text": "How's it like being on your first podcast, I think?" }, { "end_time": "3:55", "start_time": "3:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:56", "start_time": "3:55", "text": "I think it is." }, { "end_time": "3:56", "start_time": "3:56", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "3:57", "start_time": "3:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:03", "start_time": "3:58", "text": "Can I just begin by telling you how much the whole country respects you guys?" }, { "end_time": "4:10", "start_time": "4:04", "text": "I usually reserve this part of my podcast for the end of the conversation, but I have to begin today's podcast by saluting you." }, { "end_time": "4:11", "start_time": "4:10", "text": "Thank you so much." }, { "end_time": "4:14", "start_time": "4:12", "text": "It's a great honor to listen from you." }, { "end_time": "4:15", "start_time": "4:14", "text": "No, sir." }, { "end_time": "4:18", "start_time": "4:15", "text": "Genuinely, there's too much respect we all feel for you." }, { "end_time": "4:23", "start_time": "4:18", "text": "Like it's the honor of our lives as a team also to be at Tesro speaking to the chairman." }, { "end_time": "4:24", "start_time": "4:23", "text": "So thank you, sir." }, { "end_time": "4:25", "start_time": "4:24", "text": "Thank you so much." }, { "end_time": "4:25", "start_time": "4:25", "text": "Once again." }, { "end_time": "4:27", "start_time": "4:25", "text": "How's life generally at this phase?" }, { "end_time": "4:27", "start_time": "4:27", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "4:32", "start_time": "4:27", "text": "At this phase, no, after having worked for so many years in this space, it's all space, space technology, activities here, engaging with a lot of the stakeholders." }, { "end_time": "4:38", "start_time": "4:37", "text": "All that day in and day out." }, { "end_time": "4:39", "start_time": "4:38", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "4:41", "start_time": "4:39", "text": "Is there any element of stress in your life?" }, { "end_time": "4:43", "start_time": "4:41", "text": "Of course, stress is an integral part of it." }, { "end_time": "4:46", "start_time": "4:43", "text": "And, the whole question is how you manage it." }, { "end_time": "4:49", "start_time": "4:46", "text": "Because, see, when we get good news from ISRO Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:53", "start_time": "4:49", "text": "On the news, the whole country explodes with celebration." }, { "end_time": "4:58", "start_time": "4:54", "text": "For example, now, August 23rd, it's going to be National Space Day." }, { "end_time": "4:58", "start_time": "4:58", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "5:02", "start_time": "4:58", "text": "That's the impact of ISRO for our country." }, { "end_time": "5:10", "start_time": "5:02", "text": "I can't imagine what it's like for all of you here in terms of, when before Chandrayaan 3 happened as an event." }, { "end_time": "5:14", "start_time": "5:10", "text": "What was the mood like here before the final result came through?" }, { "end_time": "5:21", "start_time": "5:14", "text": "Now every everybody was, expecting that this time we are going to make it, but there is always skepticism in in such things." }, { "end_time": "5:21", "start_time": "5:21", "text": "No?" }, { "end_time": "5:23", "start_time": "5:21", "text": "Whether have you done enough?" }, { "end_time": "5:28", "start_time": "5:24", "text": "Suppose it happens to not able to make it this time, what will be the consequence of it?" }, { "end_time": "5:28", "start_time": "5:28", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "5:29", "start_time": "5:28", "text": "Many people are worried." }, { "end_time": "5:37", "start_time": "5:29", "text": "But then, the whole job of giving confidence to people, But the confidence shall not be based on, you know, any false narrative." }, { "end_time": "5:43", "start_time": "5:37", "text": "It has to be on factual things that you have done, what possible things that can be done, and we are done enough." }, { "end_time": "5:49", "start_time": "5:43", "text": "So this measure of quantification, you know, justice, to the whole work, that I had to do." }, { "end_time": "5:52", "start_time": "5:50", "text": "Have you ever watched a movie called Chak De India?" }, { "end_time": "5:53", "start_time": "5:52", "text": "Oh, yes." }, { "end_time": "5:54", "start_time": "5:53", "text": "With Shah Rukh Khan?" }, { "end_time": "5:54", "start_time": "5:54", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "5:57", "start_time": "5:54", "text": "You know, in the end when the team wins the championship Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:59", "start_time": "5:57", "text": "And there's that scene of them celebrating?" }, { "end_time": "6:00", "start_time": "5:59", "text": "All of them celebrating." }, { "end_time": "6:00", "start_time": "6:00", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "6:04", "start_time": "6:00", "text": "When Chandrayaan 3 happened, that was the meme that went viral." }, { "end_time": "6:05", "start_time": "6:04", "text": "That that was the rest of India." }, { "end_time": "6:06", "start_time": "6:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:06", "start_time": "6:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:07", "start_time": "6:06", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "6:09", "start_time": "6:07", "text": "And you would have seen it, all of them rejoicing on that day." }, { "end_time": "6:10", "start_time": "6:09", "text": "No?" }, { "end_time": "6:12", "start_time": "6:10", "text": "And it landed softly on the moon." }, { "end_time": "6:12", "start_time": "6:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:14", "start_time": "6:12", "text": "It was a huge day for our country." }, { "end_time": "6:17", "start_time": "6:15", "text": "But was it similar for you?" }, { "end_time": "6:20", "start_time": "6:17", "text": "Were you also going through something like what Shah Rukh Khan went through internally?" }, { "end_time": "6:22", "start_time": "6:21", "text": "Of course, internally." }, { "end_time": "6:27", "start_time": "6:22", "text": "I was not, not, with, you know, within without any words at that time." }, { "end_time": "6:27", "start_time": "6:27", "text": "It was difficult." }, { "end_time": "6:29", "start_time": "6:28", "text": "But I was pausing." }, { "end_time": "6:29", "start_time": "6:29", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "6:33", "start_time": "6:29", "text": "You are to swallow that moment, you know, enjoy that moment." }, { "end_time": "6:35", "start_time": "6:33", "text": "And that's what I was precisely doing." }, { "end_time": "6:37", "start_time": "6:35", "text": "Not really showing it outwardly." }, { "end_time": "6:38", "start_time": "6:37", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "6:39", "start_time": "6:38", "text": "Not showing it outwardly." }, { "end_time": "6:39", "start_time": "6:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:42", "start_time": "6:39", "text": "You would have watched me in the TV that I was not showing it at all." }, { "end_time": "6:48", "start_time": "6:44", "text": "But, I mean, internally behind the scenes, away from cameras, were you showing it?" }, { "end_time": "6:48", "start_time": "6:48", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "6:49", "start_time": "6:48", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "6:49", "start_time": "6:49", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "6:53", "start_time": "6:49", "text": "I I never show, overjoy or sadness at all in any time." }, { "end_time": "6:56", "start_time": "6:54", "text": "What did you do that night when you were sleeping?" }, { "end_time": "6:57", "start_time": "6:56", "text": "I was happily sleeping." }, { "end_time": "7:02", "start_time": "7:01", "text": "There was no celebration?" }, { "end_time": "7:03", "start_time": "7:03", "text": "No celebration." }, { "end_time": "7:15", "start_time": "7:03", "text": "So, see, we many times people watch this row always wondered what so some some foreigners who came to launch satellites, they they asked me, what do you do for recreation?" }, { "end_time": "7:16", "start_time": "7:15", "text": "More work?" }, { "end_time": "7:19", "start_time": "7:16", "text": "So you can understand that." }, { "end_time": "7:19", "start_time": "7:19", "text": "Really?" }, { "end_time": "7:20", "start_time": "7:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:20", "start_time": "7:20", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "7:24", "start_time": "7:20", "text": "Because I think everyone who works here is genuinely passionate about space." }, { "end_time": "7:24", "start_time": "7:24", "text": "Precisely." }, { "end_time": "7:26", "start_time": "7:24", "text": "So it's not work that we are doing." }, { "end_time": "7:28", "start_time": "7:26", "text": "We are enjoying what the time that we spent here." }, { "end_time": "7:31", "start_time": "7:29", "text": "That's the key to mega success." }, { "end_time": "7:32", "start_time": "7:31", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "7:36", "start_time": "7:32", "text": "And mega success is also noticed by other mega successful people like Elon Musk." }, { "end_time": "7:39", "start_time": "7:37", "text": "He's also an inspiration for us." }, { "end_time": "7:39", "start_time": "7:39", "text": "Really?" }, { "end_time": "7:39", "start_time": "7:39", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "7:40", "start_time": "7:39", "text": "Really." }, { "end_time": "7:41", "start_time": "7:40", "text": "Let's talk about this, sir." }, { "end_time": "7:41", "start_time": "7:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:42", "start_time": "7:41", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "7:46", "start_time": "7:42", "text": "What kind of conversations happen about Elon Musk within his role?" }, { "end_time": "7:52", "start_time": "7:46", "text": "And most of the time when I have meetings or any other place, we discuss designs, concepts, we quote Elon Musk." }, { "end_time": "7:56", "start_time": "7:52", "text": "My younger people quote, I quote, Why don't you look at him?" }, { "end_time": "8:04", "start_time": "7:56", "text": "How what he's doing in his rockets, in his reusability, in his new spacecrafts that you're designing, the concept of constellations, technology that he's bringing in." }, { "end_time": "8:11", "start_time": "8:04", "text": "We are amazed by the speed that he is able to bring and also the way in which he is able to go through the processes within the country." }, { "end_time": "8:11", "start_time": "8:11", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "8:13", "start_time": "8:11", "text": "That's again another important thing." }, { "end_time": "8:14", "start_time": "8:13", "text": "It's not just doing technology." }, { "end_time": "8:18", "start_time": "8:14", "text": "It's also able to bring the technology to a ultimate result." }, { "end_time": "8:19", "start_time": "8:18", "text": "That's very tough thing." }, { "end_time": "8:24", "start_time": "8:19", "text": "Many for many people don't understand the the technology and the politics of applying technology." }, { "end_time": "8:26", "start_time": "8:25", "text": "The politics of applying technology." }, { "end_time": "8:27", "start_time": "8:27", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "8:28", "start_time": "8:28", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "8:30", "start_time": "8:28", "text": "Are you comfortable elaborating a little bit of work?" }, { "end_time": "8:31", "start_time": "8:30", "text": "I am." }, { "end_time": "8:35", "start_time": "8:32", "text": "See, he had a vision to get a reusable launch vehicle." }, { "end_time": "8:39", "start_time": "8:36", "text": "He was able to manage to get an engine, which was developed by NASA." }, { "end_time": "8:44", "start_time": "8:40", "text": "Almost 10 year 10 years of money, 10 years of work, he was able to get in a private ecosystem." }, { "end_time": "8:47", "start_time": "8:44", "text": "That was difficult in America at one point in time." }, { "end_time": "8:51", "start_time": "8:47", "text": "He managed it within the system, possibly through an political influence." }, { "end_time": "8:57", "start_time": "8:51", "text": "And after having realized the reusable rocket, possibly he has looked at it as a, numbers." }, { "end_time": "8:59", "start_time": "8:57", "text": "Now hundreds of launches are available." }, { "end_time": "9:01", "start_time": "8:59", "text": "And for which satellite he can use it?" }, { "end_time": "9:03", "start_time": "9:01", "text": "Then he created the Starlink constellation." }, { "end_time": "9:04", "start_time": "9:04", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "9:08", "start_time": "9:04", "text": "Thousands of satellite he was able to launch, and most of the launches are for him alone." }, { "end_time": "9:11", "start_time": "9:08", "text": "And today, we know how he's utilizing the satellites." }, { "end_time": "9:14", "start_time": "9:11", "text": "And these satellites are not used just for communication purpose." }, { "end_time": "9:20", "start_time": "9:14", "text": "It is used for the national utilization, global communication, where the entire US is now dependent on it." }, { "end_time": "9:27", "start_time": "9:20", "text": "So he made an approach, a concept, and made it into the into the, you know, into the into the nation." }, { "end_time": "9:39", "start_time": "9:29", "text": "So this can be done only by a person who understand the system, how the country works, how the decisions are taken, who are the influential people, who drives all the system." }, { "end_time": "9:42", "start_time": "9:39", "text": "So he he works with the political system." }, { "end_time": "9:43", "start_time": "9:42", "text": "He works with the government." }, { "end_time": "9:44", "start_time": "9:43", "text": "He works with the technologist." }, { "end_time": "9:45", "start_time": "9:44", "text": "He works with the engineers." }, { "end_time": "9:46", "start_time": "9:45", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "9:47", "start_time": "9:46", "text": "So that's really amazing." }, { "end_time": "10:03", "start_time": "9:48", "text": "What I love about him is he has his inner child alive along with everything that you're saying, about, all the technicalities, the people skills required to, you know, move the political needle a little bit forward, and then he's also having fun in the process." }, { "end_time": "10:03", "start_time": "10:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:07", "start_time": "10:03", "text": "It's a curiosity that's a that you mentioned about the childlike nature." }, { "end_time": "10:08", "start_time": "10:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:11", "start_time": "10:08", "text": "Do you keep a track of his tweets where he's cheerleading ISRO?" }, { "end_time": "10:13", "start_time": "10:12", "text": "He has done many times." }, { "end_time": "10:13", "start_time": "10:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:16", "start_time": "10:13", "text": "Whenever he did, I I have been observing." }, { "end_time": "10:16", "start_time": "10:16", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "10:16", "start_time": "10:16", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "10:18", "start_time": "10:16", "text": "Have you interacted with him?" }, { "end_time": "10:19", "start_time": "10:18", "text": "Not really." }, { "end_time": "10:23", "start_time": "10:19", "text": "I have watched him live performing in some of the Astronautical Congress functions." }, { "end_time": "10:23", "start_time": "10:23", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "10:24", "start_time": "10:23", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "10:24", "start_time": "10:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:28", "start_time": "10:24", "text": "But if you were in a room with him, what would the conversation be like between you 2?" }, { "end_time": "10:30", "start_time": "10:28", "text": "I will talk about his future vision." }, { "end_time": "10:32", "start_time": "10:30", "text": "For example, he talked about the reusable rockets." }, { "end_time": "10:36", "start_time": "10:32", "text": "He's now talking about going to Mars and creating habitats for colonization." }, { "end_time": "10:44", "start_time": "10:37", "text": "See, one of the bigger challenge for space people is to attend high speeds to reach distant planets, for example, exosolar planets." }, { "end_time": "10:48", "start_time": "10:44", "text": "So what is his vision to move human beings to exosolar planets?" }, { "end_time": "10:49", "start_time": "10:48", "text": "I'll ask him straight." }, { "end_time": "10:51", "start_time": "10:50", "text": "Exosolar planets?" }, { "end_time": "10:51", "start_time": "10:51", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "10:53", "start_time": "10:51", "text": "You mean outside the solar system?" }, { "end_time": "10:57", "start_time": "10:53", "text": "Exosolar planets are the planets belonging to another star." }, { "end_time": "11:00", "start_time": "10:57", "text": "So we know the star we belong is the sun." }, { "end_time": "11:02", "start_time": "11:00", "text": "So for every star, there is a planetary system." }, { "end_time": "11:07", "start_time": "11:02", "text": "But if there is a planetary system and there is a planet like Earth there, possibly we can go and live there." }, { "end_time": "11:09", "start_time": "11:07", "text": "So the next star is alpha century." }, { "end_time": "11:11", "start_time": "11:09", "text": "There are planets around it." }, { "end_time": "11:15", "start_time": "11:11", "text": "Or even a a star which is 40, 50 light years away, also there are planets." }, { "end_time": "11:18", "start_time": "11:15", "text": "So if they find a planet there, if you are to reach there, how will you ever reach?" }, { "end_time": "11:23", "start_time": "11:20", "text": "What is the Alpha Centauri, solar system like?" }, { "end_time": "11:26", "start_time": "11:23", "text": "I do not know exactly the number of planets around it." }, { "end_time": "11:28", "start_time": "11:26", "text": "It's difficult to find out." }, { "end_time": "11:32", "start_time": "11:28", "text": "So we use it, telescopes, special observation platforms to find out." }, { "end_time": "11:37", "start_time": "11:33", "text": "Today, you know, almost 5,000 exosolar planets have been discovered." }, { "end_time": "11:42", "start_time": "11:37", "text": "Out of that, almost 100 of them are possible to have life on them." }, { "end_time": "11:42", "start_time": "11:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:42", "start_time": "11:42", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "11:45", "start_time": "11:42", "text": "They are possible that they have life on them." }, { "end_time": "11:45", "start_time": "11:45", "text": "Life on them." }, { "end_time": "11:49", "start_time": "11:45", "text": "Or or possible that human beings can go and settle there one day." }, { "end_time": "11:56", "start_time": "11:49", "text": "Possible that only if you are able to travel at tremendously high speeds to reach, there in your lifetime." }, { "end_time": "11:59", "start_time": "11:56", "text": "Possibly it's not possible, you know, in lifetime of 100 years you can reach there." }, { "end_time": "12:00", "start_time": "12:00", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "12:02", "start_time": "12:00", "text": "I have so many tangential questions Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:05", "start_time": "12:02", "text": "Because there is a segment we've planned about terraforming Okay." }, { "end_time": "12:15", "start_time": "12:06", "text": "Which is basically, you know, you go to a planet like Mars, and the way Elon Musk says it is that you just heat it up a little bit and, add some bacteria on the planet." }, { "end_time": "12:18", "start_time": "12:16", "text": "That's the very, very simplified logic of terraforming." }, { "end_time": "12:24", "start_time": "12:19", "text": "But when you're talking about all these other planets, are you saying it from the perspective of terraforming them?" }, { "end_time": "12:25", "start_time": "12:24", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "12:26", "start_time": "12:25", "text": "Really, it need not be." }, { "end_time": "12:29", "start_time": "12:26", "text": "Some of them may be already ready for us to occupy." }, { "end_time": "12:35", "start_time": "12:29", "text": "For example, if the temperature is like earth like temperature, 20 to 30, and ice is water is still in the form of water." }, { "end_time": "12:39", "start_time": "12:35", "text": "It has an atmosphere, similar to earth." }, { "end_time": "12:42", "start_time": "12:39", "text": "May not be similar, but the oxygen percentage could be lower or higher." }, { "end_time": "12:46", "start_time": "12:42", "text": "Still, it can be changed over a period of time to become habitable." }, { "end_time": "12:49", "start_time": "12:46", "text": "But there could be some form of life living there." }, { "end_time": "12:52", "start_time": "12:49", "text": "But if human beings go, they can live there without much difficulty." }, { "end_time": "12:55", "start_time": "12:52", "text": "For example, if you have an atmosphere, itself is a great boon." }, { "end_time": "12:57", "start_time": "12:55", "text": "You know, many of the planets don't have atmosphere." }, { "end_time": "12:59", "start_time": "12:57", "text": "You look at Mars, it has a very thin atmosphere." }, { "end_time": "13:02", "start_time": "13:00", "text": "Because of that, there is a radiation issue." }, { "end_time": "13:03", "start_time": "13:02", "text": "There is a low pressure related issue." }, { "end_time": "13:06", "start_time": "13:03", "text": "Suppose the atmosphere pressure is almost 2 bar, assume." }, { "end_time": "13:09", "start_time": "13:06", "text": "It is better than having a very low atmospheric pressure." }, { "end_time": "13:16", "start_time": "13:10", "text": "So I am I am sure that many of those planets will have a, will be just right for us to go and live there." }, { "end_time": "13:17", "start_time": "13:16", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "13:17", "start_time": "13:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:20", "start_time": "13:17", "text": "This is also a little bit the child that you're speaking of." }, { "end_time": "13:20", "start_time": "13:20", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "13:25", "start_time": "13:20", "text": "Like, that's why you enjoy I I really find fascinating story there around it." }, { "end_time": "13:29", "start_time": "13:25", "text": "Many times, I when I interact with kids, I'll talk about this story." }, { "end_time": "13:34", "start_time": "13:29", "text": "The one thing I gotta ask you is, about this Mars colonization angle." }, { "end_time": "13:37", "start_time": "13:34", "text": "I saw the conversation you did with technical Guruji." }, { "end_time": "13:40", "start_time": "13:37", "text": "And, you gave the example of Antarctica." }, { "end_time": "13:46", "start_time": "13:40", "text": "You said that no country technically, governs Antarctica, but every country wants to try and set up a base there." }, { "end_time": "13:47", "start_time": "13:46", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "13:48", "start_time": "13:47", "text": "So it's good that India set up a base there." }, { "end_time": "13:49", "start_time": "13:48", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "13:54", "start_time": "13:49", "text": "Now 50 years from now, you'll have to probably go and set up a base at Mars as well." }, { "end_time": "14:00", "start_time": "13:54", "text": "And you said that it's important for India to think about that because otherwise, we'll be left behind in terms of Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "14:02", "start_time": "14:01", "text": "Reputation at least." }, { "end_time": "14:02", "start_time": "14:02", "text": "Yes, sir." }, { "end_time": "14:03", "start_time": "14:02", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "14:03", "start_time": "14:03", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "14:04", "start_time": "14:03", "text": "No doubt about it." }, { "end_time": "14:13", "start_time": "14:04", "text": "Is this a conversation that the scientists at ISRO have regularly about how we can actually put people on Mars over the next 10, 20 years?" }, { "end_time": "14:15", "start_time": "14:14", "text": "So we'd we yes." }, { "end_time": "14:26", "start_time": "14:15", "text": "To start that conversation in India, in ISRO's context, because we are talking about re developing certain capability to send human beings to space through our Gaggenian program, go to moon and land." }, { "end_time": "14:26", "start_time": "14:26", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "14:32", "start_time": "14:26", "text": "We those capabilities are yet to be acquired by us, but I believe that those visions will be created in due course." }, { "end_time": "14:36", "start_time": "14:32", "text": "At least we have a vision till 20 47 now to send human beings to moon." }, { "end_time": "14:46", "start_time": "14:37", "text": "I am sure next generation will take on on this and then build the capability to go to Mars, but all the ingredients for such a dream to happen is already there." }, { "end_time": "14:47", "start_time": "14:46", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "14:51", "start_time": "14:47", "text": "Again, the one thing I know about space tech is that it builds up incrementally." }, { "end_time": "14:51", "start_time": "14:51", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "14:51", "start_time": "14:51", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "14:53", "start_time": "14:51", "text": "Like, one thing leads to another." }, { "end_time": "14:53", "start_time": "14:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:58", "start_time": "14:53", "text": "For example, if you talk about Gaganyaan, right now, the goal is to take Indian astronauts and put them in space." }, { "end_time": "14:59", "start_time": "14:58", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "15:06", "start_time": "14:59", "text": "After that mission is successful, which it will be knowing ESRO's reputation, the next step would be to put them on the moon." }, { "end_time": "15:06", "start_time": "15:06", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "15:07", "start_time": "15:06", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "15:07", "start_time": "15:07", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "15:08", "start_time": "15:07", "text": "Not really on the moon." }, { "end_time": "15:17", "start_time": "15:09", "text": "We the the first part of the Guggenheim mission is to send human beings to space, keep them in orbit in a very contested place, the crew crew module, bring them back." }, { "end_time": "15:29", "start_time": "15:18", "text": "But then we are planning to build a space station, the Pari Andresha station, which will be a a room like this, enormous space, and you can work there, live there months together, conduct experiments, come back and forth." }, { "end_time": "15:32", "start_time": "15:30", "text": "So that will be the 2nd phase of work." }, { "end_time": "15:38", "start_time": "15:32", "text": "So multiple people will go and work there for scientific, technical, or commercial pursuits." }, { "end_time": "15:41", "start_time": "15:39", "text": "After that, we use that as a base to go to moon." }, { "end_time": "15:46", "start_time": "15:42", "text": "Then possibly when the moon bases could be set up by that time." }, { "end_time": "15:47", "start_time": "15:46", "text": "Moon bases." }, { "end_time": "15:47", "start_time": "15:47", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:48", "start_time": "15:47", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "15:52", "start_time": "15:49", "text": "Like, what is live in a space station, why don't you go and live on the moon?" }, { "end_time": "15:53", "start_time": "15:52", "text": "It's possible." }, { "end_time": "15:58", "start_time": "15:53", "text": "And then people will ask you, oh, you don't have enough space on earth that that you are living on the moon?" }, { "end_time": "15:59", "start_time": "15:58", "text": "The reason is simple." }, { "end_time": "16:04", "start_time": "15:59", "text": "Moon is a place where we can actually create the second base for us to go further exploration." }, { "end_time": "16:07", "start_time": "16:04", "text": "It is difficult to travel from earth because of our atmosphere." }, { "end_time": "16:18", "start_time": "16:08", "text": "And if you have a base at moon, you can incrementally create the base, and from there, you will synthesize fuels that create the build the craft, and much lesser cost you will be able to travel beyond." }, { "end_time": "16:20", "start_time": "16:18", "text": "What's your vision of that base?" }, { "end_time": "16:33", "start_time": "16:21", "text": "The base could be an underground base because in the absence of an as atmosphere, the safety against radiation, micrometeor impacts, etcetera can be well, you know, handled if you have an underground base." }, { "end_time": "16:35", "start_time": "16:33", "text": "So you need to dig and create a base underneath." }, { "end_time": "16:37", "start_time": "16:36", "text": "Tamaras will be benign." }, { "end_time": "16:42", "start_time": "16:37", "text": "You will have a you can create a breathing space, working environment, and then work from there." }, { "end_time": "16:45", "start_time": "16:42", "text": "All their antennas will be outside, and you will be inside." }, { "end_time": "16:58", "start_time": "16:46", "text": "You know, sir, especially when it comes to Chandrayaan 3, everyone's so full of celebratory emotions that very few people ask, about what the rover is up to on the moon right now." }, { "end_time": "17:00", "start_time": "16:58", "text": "That is the job of the folks at ESRO." }, { "end_time": "17:01", "start_time": "17:00", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "17:02", "start_time": "17:01", "text": "So what's the kind of data being sent back?" }, { "end_time": "17:05", "start_time": "17:02", "text": "Like, what have we learned about the moon through the Chandrayaan 3?" }, { "end_time": "17:06", "start_time": "17:05", "text": "Many things." }, { "end_time": "17:07", "start_time": "17:06", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "17:09", "start_time": "17:07", "text": "That depends on the payloads that we have." }, { "end_time": "17:12", "start_time": "17:09", "text": "You know, we we put something called instruments onboard." }, { "end_time": "17:16", "start_time": "17:12", "text": "There were 5 instruments, important instruments on Chandrayaan 3." }, { "end_time": "17:21", "start_time": "17:16", "text": "We had 3 on the bikram and 2 on the Rohwa, Prakyan." }, { "end_time": "17:24", "start_time": "17:21", "text": "So the Pragyan had 2 separate instruments." }, { "end_time": "17:29", "start_time": "17:24", "text": "1 which will ray will apply radiation, alpha particles a limit." }, { "end_time": "17:31", "start_time": "17:29", "text": "It'll go and hit the materials on the surface." }, { "end_time": "17:36", "start_time": "17:31", "text": "From the material scatter, there'll be a spectrometer which will measure what elements it is made of." }, { "end_time": "17:44", "start_time": "17:36", "text": "So you can understand the on the surface, whether it is made of carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, phosphorus, silicon, you can distinguish from that." }, { "end_time": "17:49", "start_time": "17:44", "text": "There was another instrument, which is again, a laser based instrument." }, { "end_time": "17:50", "start_time": "17:49", "text": "So it'll send a laser beam." }, { "end_time": "17:54", "start_time": "17:51", "text": "And once it hits the surface, it'll ablate till fumes will come out of it." }, { "end_time": "17:56", "start_time": "17:54", "text": "And these fumes will be meshed by a spectrometer." }, { "end_time": "18:00", "start_time": "17:57", "text": "This again finds out the similar manner, the elemental composition." }, { "end_time": "18:05", "start_time": "18:00", "text": "So what we did is the rover was moving around, and then at different places, it'll stop." }, { "end_time": "18:09", "start_time": "18:05", "text": "It'll do this function, measure it, again go to a next next location." }, { "end_time": "18:13", "start_time": "18:09", "text": "So almost a 100 meters, it moved and did all the measurements and collected all the data." }, { "end_time": "18:16", "start_time": "18:13", "text": "And we had some interesting observation we published." }, { "end_time": "18:18", "start_time": "18:16", "text": "It had all also the cameras." }, { "end_time": "18:19", "start_time": "18:18", "text": "Now 2 stereo cameras were there." }, { "end_time": "18:21", "start_time": "18:19", "text": "So those images we collected." }, { "end_time": "18:23", "start_time": "18:21", "text": "And we had 3 instruments onboard Vikram." }, { "end_time": "18:32", "start_time": "18:24", "text": "One was to measure the seismic behavior that's called lunar, you know, shake, vibrations that you can measure." }, { "end_time": "18:32", "start_time": "18:32", "text": "Mooncakes?" }, { "end_time": "18:33", "start_time": "18:33", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "18:34", "start_time": "18:33", "text": "Mooncakes, you can measure." }, { "end_time": "18:39", "start_time": "18:35", "text": "And, there was another one which was, measuring the thermo physical carriers, so the ragolith." }, { "end_time": "18:43", "start_time": "18:40", "text": "The ragolith is a material that comes through the surface." }, { "end_time": "18:47", "start_time": "18:43", "text": "So we put a probe into it, then send some current to heat it up." }, { "end_time": "18:50", "start_time": "18:47", "text": "So once we heat it up, it will measure the temperature gradient." }, { "end_time": "18:55", "start_time": "18:50", "text": "And from that, you can measure how the conductivity, the electrical properties, things like that." }, { "end_time": "18:55", "start_time": "18:55", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "18:58", "start_time": "18:56", "text": "Then we had a probe that was almost 1 meter long." }, { "end_time": "19:01", "start_time": "18:58", "text": "It it was swinging open." }, { "end_time": "19:03", "start_time": "19:01", "text": "Then it will measure the electrons around." }, { "end_time": "19:04", "start_time": "19:03", "text": "You know, there is no atmosphere." }, { "end_time": "19:06", "start_time": "19:05", "text": "So because of that, it is charged." }, { "end_time": "19:10", "start_time": "19:07", "text": "So this charging, will happen day and night with the sunlight." }, { "end_time": "19:15", "start_time": "19:10", "text": "So this charged electrons will rise up in the daytime, go down in the night." }, { "end_time": "19:17", "start_time": "19:15", "text": "So this was being measured using this." }, { "end_time": "19:21", "start_time": "19:19", "text": "So I mentioned about all the fine instruments now." }, { "end_time": "19:22", "start_time": "19:21", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "19:22", "start_time": "19:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:24", "start_time": "19:22", "text": "I mean, the surface level conversation here Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:26", "start_time": "19:25", "text": "Is the moon economy." }, { "end_time": "19:48", "start_time": "19:26", "text": "People believe, especially within geopolitical conversations, that over the next 20 to 30 years, after we are able to actually set up basis perhaps on the moon or send people more regularly to the moon, you'll be able to mine for minerals, you'll be able to extract things from the moon surface and then you'll be able to sell them for money on Earth." }, { "end_time": "19:51", "start_time": "19:48", "text": "Is that a conversation that ISRO has?" }, { "end_time": "19:51", "start_time": "19:51", "text": "Not yet." }, { "end_time": "19:56", "start_time": "19:51", "text": "Because these, these are discussions that are happening in in many levels, scientist level." }, { "end_time": "20:02", "start_time": "19:56", "text": "But then the feasibility of that will happen only when are able to move equipments to do it." }, { "end_time": "20:12", "start_time": "20:02", "text": "For example, you know, you have seen a mining in mining facility, massive excuperate, tons and tons of excavators, diggers, the filters, processes, melting tools, heating equipments." }, { "end_time": "20:15", "start_time": "20:13", "text": "How to take all of them to moon?" }, { "end_time": "20:16", "start_time": "20:16", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "20:22", "start_time": "20:16", "text": "And it's very easy to tell that you will dig all the material and extract the platinum, gold, the helium, etcetera out of it." }, { "end_time": "20:29", "start_time": "20:22", "text": "But then it huge amount of transporting all these equipments up there from in Earth to moon surface." }, { "end_time": "20:38", "start_time": "20:29", "text": "And every transportation is hugely costly because the rocket can take only few tons, maybe 100 of tons, not 1,000 of tons." }, { "end_time": "20:41", "start_time": "20:38", "text": "So that means our rocket capability has to increase." }, { "end_time": "20:45", "start_time": "20:42", "text": "So and that will happen only when the rocket become cheaper." }, { "end_time": "20:48", "start_time": "20:45", "text": "That's why the reusability and many other things are important." }, { "end_time": "20:53", "start_time": "20:48", "text": "How to become the fuel should be the only the costly right, and the rocket should be able to re reuse many times." }, { "end_time": "20:59", "start_time": "20:54", "text": "So that's the prospect that Elon Musk and others are giving, that you have a reusable rocket." }, { "end_time": "21:04", "start_time": "20:59", "text": "You have a fuel which is methane, which is very, very cheap, and oxygen, which is anyway, plenty available." }, { "end_time": "21:09", "start_time": "21:05", "text": "So once you have a very low cost rocket, you can transport all of this up there." }, { "end_time": "21:11", "start_time": "21:09", "text": "Then bring back also difficult to earth." }, { "end_time": "21:14", "start_time": "21:11", "text": "For example, you know, how a night material comes back to earth?" }, { "end_time": "21:16", "start_time": "21:14", "text": "If it enters earth, it will all burn off." }, { "end_time": "21:17", "start_time": "21:16", "text": "Nothing will enter earth." }, { "end_time": "21:24", "start_time": "21:17", "text": "So to bring back earth, you need high temperature protection, very complex work like the space shuttle or the the capsules." }, { "end_time": "21:27", "start_time": "21:25", "text": "And every landing is a complex process." }, { "end_time": "21:31", "start_time": "21:27", "text": "So even if you have gold, to bring back is very, very costly." }, { "end_time": "21:33", "start_time": "21:31", "text": "You know what I'm visualizing, bud?" }, { "end_time": "21:39", "start_time": "21:33", "text": "I'm visualizing doctor Somnath and Elon Musk back to back like this teaming up for the sake of the moon." }, { "end_time": "21:39", "start_time": "21:39", "text": "We should do." }, { "end_time": "21:40", "start_time": "21:39", "text": "We should do." }, { "end_time": "21:40", "start_time": "21:40", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "21:41", "start_time": "21:40", "text": "Would you be open to it?" }, { "end_time": "21:42", "start_time": "21:41", "text": "Why not?" }, { "end_time": "21:43", "start_time": "21:42", "text": "Teaming up with Elon Musk." }, { "end_time": "21:44", "start_time": "21:43", "text": "Why not?" }, { "end_time": "21:44", "start_time": "21:44", "text": "Definitely." }, { "end_time": "21:48", "start_time": "21:45", "text": "But we should be on equal equal footing too when you talk about teaming." }, { "end_time": "21:49", "start_time": "21:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:50", "start_time": "21:49", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "21:53", "start_time": "21:50", "text": "I think a person like him would be open to it." }, { "end_time": "21:56", "start_time": "21:53", "text": "He's literally mentioned ISRO so much on international podcast." }, { "end_time": "22:00", "start_time": "21:56", "text": "I think he's mentioned ISRO more than he's mentioned NASA, like, in my eyes." }, { "end_time": "22:06", "start_time": "22:00", "text": "So Thank thanks to Elon Musk." }, { "end_time": "22:14", "start_time": "22:06", "text": "I'm really looking forward to the day where, you meet him and something comes out of this process for the sake of humanity again." }, { "end_time": "22:14", "start_time": "22:14", "text": "Definitely." }, { "end_time": "22:14", "start_time": "22:14", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "22:16", "start_time": "22:14", "text": "We'll be happy to do that." }, { "end_time": "22:17", "start_time": "22:16", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "22:17", "start_time": "22:17", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "22:23", "start_time": "22:17", "text": "Because effectively, every piece of work at a store, while it makes India proud, it's effectively for all of humankind." }, { "end_time": "22:24", "start_time": "22:24", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "22:27", "start_time": "22:25", "text": "Is that a responsibility you feel?" }, { "end_time": "22:33", "start_time": "22:27", "text": "All of us feel about it because the the whole space is such a unifying part." }, { "end_time": "22:33", "start_time": "22:33", "text": "No?" }, { "end_time": "22:40", "start_time": "22:33", "text": "Once you get out of the surface of Earth, go to space, look at Earth, you know, look at us as a fragile planet, the boundaries vanishes." }, { "end_time": "22:44", "start_time": "22:40", "text": "The entire humanity looks at it as one of our cradle of life." }, { "end_time": "22:52", "start_time": "22:44", "text": "And we it is becoming our responsibility or you know, it becomes over, burdening on us to see how we take responsibility to protect it." }, { "end_time": "22:55", "start_time": "22:52", "text": "Whoever went to space, they were mesmerized by this view." }, { "end_time": "22:59", "start_time": "22:56", "text": "I had never been to space, so I I can't talk about it." }, { "end_time": "23:06", "start_time": "22:59", "text": "But those if I borrow the words of those people, those astronauts and cosmonauts who went up there, all of them were mesmerized by this look of Earth." }, { "end_time": "23:09", "start_time": "23:07", "text": "And they speak about the similar, you know, narratives." }, { "end_time": "23:11", "start_time": "23:10", "text": "Big blue ball." }, { "end_time": "23:11", "start_time": "23:11", "text": "Big." }, { "end_time": "23:12", "start_time": "23:11", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "23:17", "start_time": "23:12", "text": "But I think, they're starting space tourism in a big way right now over the next 5 years." }, { "end_time": "23:17", "start_time": "23:17", "text": "It is happening." }, { "end_time": "23:19", "start_time": "23:17", "text": "It is happening in certain manner." }, { "end_time": "23:24", "start_time": "23:20", "text": "But I I am not seeing it, you know, increasing it to an extent because of various reasons." }, { "end_time": "23:26", "start_time": "23:24", "text": "One is it is still costly." }, { "end_time": "23:27", "start_time": "23:26", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "23:29", "start_time": "23:27", "text": "It has to that cost has to come down substantially." }, { "end_time": "23:33", "start_time": "23:29", "text": "I'm sure it'll, with the new technologies, it will come down." }, { "end_time": "23:40", "start_time": "23:33", "text": "And we are also trying to see how our knowledge in this area can help in some Indian companies to come up with the tourism possibilities." }, { "end_time": "23:46", "start_time": "23:41", "text": "But this tourism is only going up to 100 kilometers and then experience it for a little while." }, { "end_time": "23:49", "start_time": "23:46", "text": "But I believe the real tourism is in going to space and stay for some time." }, { "end_time": "23:51", "start_time": "23:51", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "23:53", "start_time": "23:51", "text": "Or maybe traveling to planets." }, { "end_time": "23:56", "start_time": "23:53", "text": "All this will happen provided, then it becomes protein." }, { "end_time": "23:59", "start_time": "23:56", "text": "See, we everything become cheaper." }, { "end_time": "24:03", "start_time": "23:59", "text": "Once you have larger number of people using it, the scale of operations become larger." }, { "end_time": "24:10", "start_time": "24:03", "text": "Today, the space activities are not of that scale, which will make it affordable to much of the people, society." }, { "end_time": "24:11", "start_time": "24:10", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "24:16", "start_time": "24:12", "text": "Is ISRO thinking of a space tourism project?" }, { "end_time": "24:18", "start_time": "24:16", "text": "ISRO is an enabler." }, { "end_time": "24:24", "start_time": "24:18", "text": "You know, I will enable private companies, industries that are willing to take up such projects." }, { "end_time": "24:26", "start_time": "24:24", "text": "Happy to go cooperate." }, { "end_time": "24:27", "start_time": "24:26", "text": "Why not build it out yourselves?" }, { "end_time": "24:31", "start_time": "24:28", "text": "See, that is, commercial, goal of it." }, { "end_time": "24:39", "start_time": "24:31", "text": "And, right now, we are focusing on technology development and creating those technology within our house for us, the industries, to take on." }, { "end_time": "24:40", "start_time": "24:39", "text": "This is our mandate." }, { "end_time": "24:52", "start_time": "24:40", "text": "So even for the rockets, as you would have seen that we developed the rocket or what have been productionized, we moved to industry for them to, commercially exploit, and we go back and work on a better system." }, { "end_time": "24:53", "start_time": "24:52", "text": "So this will be the process." }, { "end_time": "24:55", "start_time": "24:53", "text": "Even for tourism, that will be the model." }, { "end_time": "24:55", "start_time": "24:55", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "24:56", "start_time": "24:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:59", "start_time": "24:56", "text": "But it will be a profit generating, service." }, { "end_time": "25:03", "start_time": "25:00", "text": "It has to be because, unfortunately, we are not business people." }, { "end_time": "25:07", "start_time": "25:03", "text": "Unlike Elon Musk, he knows both side of the job, technology as well as business." }, { "end_time": "25:11", "start_time": "25:07", "text": "So we will we concentrate on the, technology side of it." }, { "end_time": "25:16", "start_time": "25:11", "text": "The business side, I would like to be handled by industries who are much better qualified to do it." }, { "end_time": "25:22", "start_time": "25:16", "text": "Have you visualized yourself in a spacecraft looking down at the big blue ball 10, 15 years from now?" }, { "end_time": "25:28", "start_time": "25:22", "text": "I always dreamt of being, lying on moon looking at Earth with a one way ticket." }, { "end_time": "25:30", "start_time": "25:29", "text": "With a one way ticket?" }, { "end_time": "25:30", "start_time": "25:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:30", "start_time": "25:30", "text": "What?" }, { "end_time": "25:31", "start_time": "25:30", "text": "Never to come back to Earth." }, { "end_time": "25:35", "start_time": "25:33", "text": "And explore the moon." }, { "end_time": "25:35", "start_time": "25:35", "text": "Forever." }, { "end_time": "25:36", "start_time": "25:36", "text": "Go to the dark side." }, { "end_time": "25:37", "start_time": "25:36", "text": "Forever there." }, { "end_time": "25:42", "start_time": "25:38", "text": "And say hi to the possible extraterrestrial life." }, { "end_time": "25:42", "start_time": "25:42", "text": "Maybe." }, { "end_time": "25:45", "start_time": "25:44", "text": "Does that fascinate you, Adam?" }, { "end_time": "25:46", "start_time": "25:45", "text": "Fascinates, of course." }, { "end_time": "25:47", "start_time": "25:46", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "25:47", "start_time": "25:47", "text": "Aliens." }, { "end_time": "25:49", "start_time": "25:47", "text": "Aliens always fascinates." }, { "end_time": "25:49", "start_time": "25:49", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "25:52", "start_time": "25:50", "text": "What aspect of it?" }, { "end_time": "25:55", "start_time": "25:52", "text": "See, this is a very interesting question." }, { "end_time": "25:59", "start_time": "25:56", "text": "Alien, we call our intelligent creatures living things." }, { "end_time": "26:04", "start_time": "26:00", "text": "Sometimes more intelligent than us or not that much intelligent than us." }, { "end_time": "26:07", "start_time": "26:04", "text": "See, we call ourselves an evolved creature." }, { "end_time": "26:07", "start_time": "26:07", "text": "No?" }, { "end_time": "26:08", "start_time": "26:07", "text": "You know everything." }, { "end_time": "26:09", "start_time": "26:08", "text": "You know how to communicate." }, { "end_time": "26:10", "start_time": "26:09", "text": "Technology is all with us." }, { "end_time": "26:13", "start_time": "26:11", "text": "But just imagine just 100 years back, you were nothing." }, { "end_time": "26:18", "start_time": "26:14", "text": "You were not having these microphones, these cameras, these lights, the communication system, the television." }, { "end_time": "26:20", "start_time": "26:18", "text": "Nothing was there just 100 years back." }, { "end_time": "26:22", "start_time": "26:21", "text": "Our history is not 100 years." }, { "end_time": "26:24", "start_time": "26:22", "text": "Our history is 1000000 of years." }, { "end_time": "26:27", "start_time": "26:24", "text": "The whole human craze evolved over 1000000 of years." }, { "end_time": "26:34", "start_time": "26:27", "text": "But in the last 100 years, you achieved all of this to talk about going space and talking about aliens, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "26:41", "start_time": "26:35", "text": "Just imagine there is another civilization out there which is just 200 years behind you." }, { "end_time": "26:44", "start_time": "26:42", "text": "They are very good, but they don't have these technologies." }, { "end_time": "26:50", "start_time": "26:44", "text": "Just Just otherwise, you imagine there is another civilization which is 1000 years ahead of you." }, { "end_time": "26:52", "start_time": "26:50", "text": "1000 years is nothing in the cosmic scale." }, { "end_time": "26:52", "start_time": "26:52", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "26:53", "start_time": "26:52", "text": "You understand that." }, { "end_time": "26:55", "start_time": "26:54", "text": "So they will be so evolved." }, { "end_time": "26:58", "start_time": "26:55", "text": "In 100 years, you can make this much of progress." }, { "end_time": "27:01", "start_time": "26:58", "text": "Just imagine in next 100 years, where will you be?" }, { "end_time": "27:05", "start_time": "27:01", "text": "Or in assume the next 1000 years, where will you be in terms of the progress of technology?" }, { "end_time": "27:15", "start_time": "27:06", "text": "So then a society or evolution or a alien system, which is 1000 years progressive than you, will be always here." }, { "end_time": "27:17", "start_time": "27:15", "text": "They must be listening to your podcast right away." }, { "end_time": "27:22", "start_time": "27:18", "text": "And they know what we are, and they will treat you like a earthworm." }, { "end_time": "27:24", "start_time": "27:22", "text": "For us, we are nowhere." }, { "end_time": "27:32", "start_time": "27:25", "text": "So I always believe that there is alien around us, must be much evolved because we are not the one that has come the recent times." }, { "end_time": "27:36", "start_time": "27:32", "text": "We were we were the very recent origins of, you know, life form." }, { "end_time": "27:40", "start_time": "27:36", "text": "Possibly, there are origins of life and much evolved life everywhere in the universe." }, { "end_time": "27:42", "start_time": "27:41", "text": "No doubt about it." }, { "end_time": "27:45", "start_time": "27:43", "text": "I'm loving speaking to you, sir." }, { "end_time": "27:54", "start_time": "27:46", "text": "I feel like I'm talking to a big brother who thinks in a similar way about aliens and what extraterrestrial life and science." }, { "end_time": "27:54", "start_time": "27:54", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "28:05", "start_time": "27:54", "text": "The thing is often when one speaks about these kind of topics, you're rejected by large sections of society because as one grows up in the world, you're told to kill off your inner child." }, { "end_time": "28:11", "start_time": "28:05", "text": "But I feel that that's very important for the sake of imagination, creativity, and therefore, your work." }, { "end_time": "28:15", "start_time": "28:11", "text": "Because, there's a difference between being scientific and scientific." }, { "end_time": "28:18", "start_time": "28:15", "text": "Scientific helps you discover the unknown." }, { "end_time": "28:20", "start_time": "28:18", "text": "Scientific makes you reject the unknown." }, { "end_time": "28:22", "start_time": "28:21", "text": "Maybe that's a good definition." }, { "end_time": "28:26", "start_time": "28:22", "text": "But let's let's actually speak about this alien situation, sir." }, { "end_time": "28:31", "start_time": "28:26", "text": "How come UFOs are only spotted in America and South America?" }, { "end_time": "28:33", "start_time": "28:31", "text": "That's where you hear most of it." }, { "end_time": "28:38", "start_time": "28:33", "text": "See, many times these type of observations are much more feasible in the northern latitudes, southern latitudes." }, { "end_time": "28:42", "start_time": "28:39", "text": "So you know equatorial region are always cloudy." }, { "end_time": "28:49", "start_time": "28:43", "text": "If you look at, Africa, India, or the South Asian, all those nations are in the equator." }, { "end_time": "28:55", "start_time": "28:50", "text": "The European, Northern European, and American are in the northern northern latitudes." }, { "end_time": "28:58", "start_time": "28:55", "text": "Under the southern latitude, you don't have any nation other than Australia." }, { "end_time": "29:00", "start_time": "28:59", "text": "Gotcha." }, { "end_time": "29:09", "start_time": "29:00", "text": "So you if any events of this nature, especially the the events in the sky where there is, for example, auroras, you are able to see in the northern side." }, { "end_time": "29:14", "start_time": "29:09", "text": "The solar, related effects are mostly seen in the northern side." }, { "end_time": "29:19", "start_time": "29:15", "text": "Even the cyclones and other activities are more on the other sides, not not on the equator." }, { "end_time": "29:22", "start_time": "29:19", "text": "Equator has a different climatic conditions, and mostly it is covered." }, { "end_time": "29:24", "start_time": "29:22", "text": "The sky is mostly, not blue." }, { "end_time": "29:28", "start_time": "29:25", "text": "If you go to US, you will see the sky to be more bluer than in India." }, { "end_time": "29:28", "start_time": "29:28", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "29:30", "start_time": "29:28", "text": "It's not due to pollution alone." }, { "end_time": "29:34", "start_time": "29:30", "text": "It's due to various the the content of water vapor in there and many things." }, { "end_time": "29:35", "start_time": "29:34", "text": "So this is scientific." }, { "end_time": "29:36", "start_time": "29:36", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "29:38", "start_time": "29:36", "text": "Now there is nonscientific reason." }, { "end_time": "29:43", "start_time": "29:38", "text": "Americans have a nature to detect so many things all around and make a story out of it." }, { "end_time": "29:43", "start_time": "29:43", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "29:47", "start_time": "29:43", "text": "And and many of the UFO stories are more mostly fabricated stories, not the real stories." }, { "end_time": "29:48", "start_time": "29:47", "text": "Many of them are." }, { "end_time": "29:48", "start_time": "29:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:48", "start_time": "29:48", "text": "Many of them." }, { "end_time": "29:49", "start_time": "29:48", "text": "Some of them might be true." }, { "end_time": "29:50", "start_time": "29:49", "text": "Maybe true." }, { "end_time": "29:52", "start_time": "29:50", "text": "Because I can't comment on it because I haven't seen it yet." }, { "end_time": "29:56", "start_time": "29:54", "text": "But do you think our planet is visited by extraterrestrial?" }, { "end_time": "29:57", "start_time": "29:57", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "29:58", "start_time": "29:57", "text": "No doubt about it." }, { "end_time": "30:02", "start_time": "29:59", "text": "My my my conscience says I don't have a proof." }, { "end_time": "30:03", "start_time": "30:02", "text": "You're the chairperson of Esrosa." }, { "end_time": "30:03", "start_time": "30:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:03", "start_time": "30:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:04", "start_time": "30:03", "text": "I'm telling you." }, { "end_time": "30:09", "start_time": "30:04", "text": "I I it it comes from out of my earlier statement that there are aliens out in the universe." }, { "end_time": "30:22", "start_time": "30:10", "text": "Aliens means living systems are there, cultures are there in other part of this universe, then they would have definitely visited us if they are ahead in technology than us." }, { "end_time": "30:23", "start_time": "30:22", "text": "Say, 1000 years." }, { "end_time": "30:24", "start_time": "30:23", "text": "10000 years ahead." }, { "end_time": "30:29", "start_time": "30:24", "text": "10000 years again is also minuscule time scale in the evolution of the universe." }, { "end_time": "30:35", "start_time": "30:29", "text": "Just imagine a a a society which is 10000 years ahead in technology compared to us." }, { "end_time": "30:36", "start_time": "30:35", "text": "Where will they be?" }, { "end_time": "30:40", "start_time": "30:36", "text": "They will be frequently coming and going out of earth without ever we knowing it." }, { "end_time": "30:42", "start_time": "30:40", "text": "It's the equivalent of us keeping lions in a zoo." }, { "end_time": "30:43", "start_time": "30:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:44", "start_time": "30:43", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "30:45", "start_time": "30:44", "text": "We are the lions in the zoo for them." }, { "end_time": "30:45", "start_time": "30:45", "text": "Precisely." }, { "end_time": "30:46", "start_time": "30:45", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "30:47", "start_time": "30:46", "text": "Like a planet is the zoo." }, { "end_time": "30:47", "start_time": "30:47", "text": "Precisely." }, { "end_time": "30:47", "start_time": "30:47", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "30:50", "start_time": "30:47", "text": "Do you think that they would be benevolent or malevolent?" }, { "end_time": "30:54", "start_time": "30:51", "text": "In either way, I will be happy never to be in touch with them." }, { "end_time": "30:55", "start_time": "30:54", "text": "I'll tell you why." }, { "end_time": "30:56", "start_time": "30:55", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "30:57", "start_time": "30:56", "text": "There is a reason." }, { "end_time": "31:15", "start_time": "30:58", "text": "See, the the biology is such that we we are evolved out of a common biology that connects every living creature on the surface of earth, whether it is plant, whether it is bacteria, whether it is fish or animal, and we are 1 and the same." }, { "end_time": "31:18", "start_time": "31:15", "text": "You look at the genomics, you will understand this 1 and the same." }, { "end_time": "31:24", "start_time": "31:18", "text": "There is no nature, which is a protein, which is different in nature in on on the surface of earth." }, { "end_time": "31:28", "start_time": "31:24", "text": "Everything evolved out of single possible life form." }, { "end_time": "31:30", "start_time": "31:28", "text": "So we are all connected in some manner." }, { "end_time": "31:36", "start_time": "31:31", "text": "But suppose something that had evolved in another planet would have been synthesized in an entirely different manner." }, { "end_time": "31:39", "start_time": "31:36", "text": "It may not have the similar genome structure." }, { "end_time": "31:46", "start_time": "31:39", "text": "It may not have the similar protein structure, and it is entirely dangerous to for all 2 life forms to come in contact with each other." }, { "end_time": "31:51", "start_time": "31:46", "text": "The moment it contact with each other, something has to overtake the other." }, { "end_time": "31:52", "start_time": "31:51", "text": "This is the nature of the life." }, { "end_time": "31:54", "start_time": "31:53", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "31:56", "start_time": "31:54", "text": "One will not allow the other one to survive." }, { "end_time": "31:58", "start_time": "31:56", "text": "I it has to be overtaken and destroyed." }, { "end_time": "32:03", "start_time": "31:59", "text": "So unless they have a conscience about this okay." }, { "end_time": "32:15", "start_time": "32:03", "text": "They realize these 2 are different, and we need to remain disconnected in terms of the body or the chemic chemistry of it and keep that apart and work together to find a solution for us to meet each other." }, { "end_time": "32:19", "start_time": "32:15", "text": "Not at the level of the mind and the thought, but in the level of the body." }, { "end_time": "32:23", "start_time": "32:19", "text": "If that doesn't happen, it will cause destruction either to them or to us." }, { "end_time": "32:26", "start_time": "32:23", "text": "Basically, they might be carrying some kind of diseases." }, { "end_time": "32:28", "start_time": "32:26", "text": "I'm not talking in terms of disease." }, { "end_time": "32:30", "start_time": "32:28", "text": "It it's in terms of the way in which we live." }, { "end_time": "32:35", "start_time": "32:30", "text": "The the the form of the body, our blood, our way we ox for example, oxygen." }, { "end_time": "32:36", "start_time": "32:35", "text": "We breathe oxygen." }, { "end_time": "32:37", "start_time": "32:36", "text": "What is the guarantee?" }, { "end_time": "32:40", "start_time": "32:37", "text": "Oxygen is the gas that they need for us to live." }, { "end_time": "32:40", "start_time": "32:40", "text": "We don't know." }, { "end_time": "32:45", "start_time": "32:40", "text": "In fact, I have seen a science fiction novel in which they breathe methane in one planet." }, { "end_time": "32:45", "start_time": "32:45", "text": "There is another." }, { "end_time": "32:49", "start_time": "32:45", "text": "And they float on the air with a huge balloon on them." }, { "end_time": "32:51", "start_time": "32:49", "text": "There was an NASA documentary on it." }, { "end_time": "32:53", "start_time": "32:51", "text": "So such forms are possible." }, { "end_time": "32:57", "start_time": "32:53", "text": "And they they come in contact with us, it will be extremely dangerous for us." }, { "end_time": "33:00", "start_time": "32:57", "text": "Or we in contact with them will be dangerous for them." }, { "end_time": "33:00", "start_time": "33:00", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "33:10", "start_time": "33:01", "text": "Do you believe in any of these theories like, the lizard people or the Anunnaki would say that probably they've taken human form and they are with us right now on this planet." }, { "end_time": "33:13", "start_time": "33:10", "text": "Because if if they are 10000 years ahead of us Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:18", "start_time": "33:14", "text": "They would have accounted for even this, biological problem." }, { "end_time": "33:18", "start_time": "33:18", "text": "Possible." }, { "end_time": "33:19", "start_time": "33:18", "text": "Possible." }, { "end_time": "33:20", "start_time": "33:19", "text": "They would have found out found out a solution." }, { "end_time": "33:25", "start_time": "33:20", "text": "I don't have a solution today to make these 2 work together, but they would have already found out a solution." }, { "end_time": "33:28", "start_time": "33:25", "text": "There's just 2 lions talking to each other right now." }, { "end_time": "33:29", "start_time": "33:28", "text": "Those are the human beings outside the cave." }, { "end_time": "33:30", "start_time": "33:29", "text": "True." }, { "end_time": "33:30", "start_time": "33:30", "text": "True." }, { "end_time": "33:30", "start_time": "33:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:31", "start_time": "33:30", "text": "We can talk like that." }, { "end_time": "33:34", "start_time": "33:31", "text": "Do those scientists at ISRO talk about extraterrestrial life to each other?" }, { "end_time": "33:37", "start_time": "33:34", "text": "There are many people in ISRO who are fascinated by all of this." }, { "end_time": "33:43", "start_time": "33:37", "text": "So whenever I'm in free time, evenings, when we converse in free times, possibly, we talk about all of this." }, { "end_time": "33:43", "start_time": "33:43", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "33:43", "start_time": "33:43", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "33:44", "start_time": "33:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:47", "start_time": "33:44", "text": "Especially with the young my younger colleagues, I spend a lot of time." }, { "end_time": "33:47", "start_time": "33:47", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "34:00", "start_time": "33:49", "text": "While I wish to ask you so much more about science and engineering, there is an inner child version of me that also wants to ask you about the spiritual aspect of being a scientist." }, { "end_time": "34:05", "start_time": "34:02", "text": "Now this is also slightly in the domain of neuroscience." }, { "end_time": "34:10", "start_time": "34:06", "text": "Long story short, they say that, there's a logical part of your brain and an emotional part of your brain." }, { "end_time": "34:18", "start_time": "34:10", "text": "So when you are asleep, you go from your logical part of the brain being more active to your emotional part of the brain being more active." }, { "end_time": "34:22", "start_time": "34:18", "text": "That's why before an exam, if you study, when you wake up the next morning, you remembered better." }, { "end_time": "34:25", "start_time": "34:22", "text": "Because your brain is able to assimilate that information much better." }, { "end_time": "34:25", "start_time": "34:25", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "34:35", "start_time": "34:25", "text": "But parallelly speaking, if you study the history of science on our planet in the last 300, 400 years, there's countless scientists who say that they got answers to a problem in a dream." }, { "end_time": "34:38", "start_time": "34:36", "text": "They understood what to do next in a dream." }, { "end_time": "34:42", "start_time": "34:38", "text": "It's perhaps just the emotional side of the brain processing all that data." }, { "end_time": "34:49", "start_time": "34:42", "text": "And the spiritual way of looking at it is it's a higher dimension that's placed those ideas or those concepts within the mind." }, { "end_time": "34:50", "start_time": "34:49", "text": "How do you look at this?" }, { "end_time": "34:54", "start_time": "34:50", "text": "Because very interesting part of discussion that you're opening up." }, { "end_time": "34:55", "start_time": "34:55", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "34:57", "start_time": "34:55", "text": "There are many elements to it." }, { "end_time": "35:02", "start_time": "34:57", "text": "There See, I I must tell you, human mind is such a powerful, machine." }, { "end_time": "35:04", "start_time": "35:02", "text": "Maybe not the right way to use it." }, { "end_time": "35:11", "start_time": "35:04", "text": "Powerful system in which, what you feed into it, it can synthesize in many ways based on your discipline." }, { "end_time": "35:16", "start_time": "35:12", "text": "So when you talk about the disciplining, your mind is some sort of a training." }, { "end_time": "35:18", "start_time": "35:16", "text": "A random mind cannot synthesize data." }, { "end_time": "35:22", "start_time": "35:18", "text": "That's why we in in our system, in Indian way, we always taught them to concentrate." }, { "end_time": "35:30", "start_time": "35:23", "text": "So once you start concentrating on a given problem, so deep into it, it shows up the answers." }, { "end_time": "35:35", "start_time": "35:31", "text": "It has been the case for most of those scientists who worked on this topic." }, { "end_time": "35:39", "start_time": "35:35", "text": "Your ability to concentrate is is has a phenomenal effect." }, { "end_time": "35:48", "start_time": "35:39", "text": "Swami Vivekananda talked about it long back, how when he reads books so fast that he was able to assimilate everything by by scanning it, not by reading it." }, { "end_time": "35:53", "start_time": "35:49", "text": "So this shows the ability of every human being to concentrate differ based on his training." }, { "end_time": "35:57", "start_time": "35:54", "text": "So if you train yourself, you can assimilate it very fast." }, { "end_time": "36:03", "start_time": "35:57", "text": "You can find out solutions to problem because you were able to connect between the knowledge that you had." }, { "end_time": "36:07", "start_time": "36:03", "text": "Knowledge is not nothing but that you have what you assimilated over periods of time and your experience." }, { "end_time": "36:10", "start_time": "36:07", "text": "Connect with that, you are able to find out a new solution." }, { "end_time": "36:14", "start_time": "36:11", "text": "The spiritual part comes as a different item at all." }, { "end_time": "36:19", "start_time": "36:14", "text": "Even I am talking about your day to day nonspiritually talking itself till now it was neuroscience." }, { "end_time": "36:20", "start_time": "36:19", "text": "Neuro part itself." }, { "end_time": "36:22", "start_time": "36:21", "text": "It it's it is explainable." }, { "end_time": "36:29", "start_time": "36:23", "text": "That, even, Newton said once that if you have no answers to a problem, you define the problem." }, { "end_time": "36:34", "start_time": "36:30", "text": "You convert into that problem into an object and bring it in in front of you." }, { "end_time": "36:38", "start_time": "36:34", "text": "You you define a mathematical problem, you define it as an object, Place it in front of you." }, { "end_time": "36:46", "start_time": "36:39", "text": "Look at it and concentrate on it, then leave it and do remaining work of your life." }, { "end_time": "36:48", "start_time": "36:46", "text": "All on a sudden, you will find the answer." }, { "end_time": "36:55", "start_time": "36:49", "text": "So every time that you are to remember that that problem is in front of you, you are not for you're not forgetting it." }, { "end_time": "36:58", "start_time": "36:55", "text": "It is there in your mind very actively kept." }, { "end_time": "37:04", "start_time": "36:58", "text": "And if you can do that, just imagine, can you even concentrate on one topic for 10 seconds?" }, { "end_time": "37:07", "start_time": "37:05", "text": "Your mind, you know, deviates." }, { "end_time": "37:09", "start_time": "37:07", "text": "Even that is not possible for human beings." }, { "end_time": "37:13", "start_time": "37:09", "text": "Even 2 seconds is a great great thing if you can do." }, { "end_time": "37:16", "start_time": "37:13", "text": "So ability to concentrate is is a phenomenal capability." }, { "end_time": "37:27", "start_time": "37:18", "text": "Have you had any experiences like this at ISRO while you're trying to solve a problem and you feel you've been helped from a higher place to achieve your result?" }, { "end_time": "37:29", "start_time": "37:28", "text": "Answer is yes." }, { "end_time": "37:33", "start_time": "37:29", "text": "Of course, if I should not be, you know, I should be sincere to myself." }, { "end_time": "37:40", "start_time": "37:33", "text": "Many a times when I sit to review a problem or an issue with all my colleagues, not alone." }, { "end_time": "37:49", "start_time": "37:41", "text": "In fact, I get charged up to think, and I and many a times I feel myself that though I may not be knowing everything about it, I have an answer." }, { "end_time": "37:57", "start_time": "37:50", "text": "And many times, the direction that we choose, the approaches that we take are benefacted by those type of support." }, { "end_time": "37:58", "start_time": "37:57", "text": "No doubt about it." }, { "end_time": "38:02", "start_time": "37:58", "text": "And you're able to see the vision in your head in order to achieve the result?" }, { "end_time": "38:02", "start_time": "38:02", "text": "No doubt about it." }, { "end_time": "38:02", "start_time": "38:02", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "38:03", "start_time": "38:02", "text": "It is there." }, { "end_time": "38:11", "start_time": "38:03", "text": "And provided you are able to concentrate, you are able to understand there are higher powers working, then definitely those type of support will be there." }, { "end_time": "38:14", "start_time": "38:13", "text": "Do you see dreams where you helped?" }, { "end_time": "38:15", "start_time": "38:15", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "38:16", "start_time": "38:15", "text": "Never." }, { "end_time": "38:18", "start_time": "38:16", "text": "It's just in the moment at the workplace." }, { "end_time": "38:20", "start_time": "38:18", "text": "Only at the workplace when you are on it." }, { "end_time": "38:21", "start_time": "38:20", "text": "Dreams never helped." }, { "end_time": "38:27", "start_time": "38:21", "text": "I think this is a good point to talk about going from Chandrayaan 2 to Chandrayaan 3." }, { "end_time": "38:35", "start_time": "38:27", "text": "I remember seeing the Guruji interview where you said, I think for 1 year, you did an analysis on what could have even been done even better." }, { "end_time": "38:35", "start_time": "38:35", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "38:42", "start_time": "38:36", "text": "Can you briefly tell us in, like, 3 or 4 points what, you know, was figured out in that 1 year?" }, { "end_time": "38:43", "start_time": "38:42", "text": "I know 3 or 4 points is too less." }, { "end_time": "38:50", "start_time": "38:44", "text": "But for the sake of the know that, most of the mission was very very, very much, achieved." }, { "end_time": "38:53", "start_time": "38:50", "text": "For example, the rocket put the satellite in the perfect orbit." }, { "end_time": "38:56", "start_time": "38:53", "text": "It took from that orbit to raised the orbit to reach the moon." }, { "end_time": "38:57", "start_time": "38:56", "text": "We lowered it to 100 kilometers." }, { "end_time": "39:01", "start_time": "38:58", "text": "We initiated the lander landing only towards the last phase." }, { "end_time": "39:06", "start_time": "39:02", "text": "We had a tumbling of the rocket, and it did not touch only just 300 meters." }, { "end_time": "39:09", "start_time": "39:06", "text": "So we understood the problem is a very minor problem." }, { "end_time": "39:15", "start_time": "39:09", "text": "But then we went into deep, we understood the minor problem always manifest in many ways." }, { "end_time": "39:19", "start_time": "39:16", "text": "This is a way in which all complex technological problems appear." }, { "end_time": "39:21", "start_time": "39:19", "text": "We call it window of opportunity." }, { "end_time": "39:27", "start_time": "39:22", "text": "Suppose you imagine a room, then there is an outer room, another room outside, a 3rd room outside." }, { "end_time": "39:32", "start_time": "39:27", "text": "There are rooms around the rooms, and there are windows aligned." }, { "end_time": "39:35", "start_time": "39:33", "text": "If you open a window, you can see next window." }, { "end_time": "39:37", "start_time": "39:35", "text": "If you open that window, you can see a 3rd window." }, { "end_time": "39:42", "start_time": "39:37", "text": "If all windows are open, then the what is inside the room can escape through it." }, { "end_time": "39:43", "start_time": "39:42", "text": "We call it a failure." }, { "end_time": "39:45", "start_time": "39:43", "text": "It's a failure propagate." }, { "end_time": "39:48", "start_time": "39:45", "text": "If one other window is closed, it cannot propagate." }, { "end_time": "39:49", "start_time": "39:48", "text": "It'll get contained." }, { "end_time": "39:54", "start_time": "39:50", "text": "So no failure happens if or if one other window is open." }, { "end_time": "40:00", "start_time": "39:56", "text": "Anyone if at least one of the window is closed, the failure doesn't propagate." }, { "end_time": "40:04", "start_time": "40:00", "text": "A failure happens only when multiple windows are open." }, { "end_time": "40:08", "start_time": "40:05", "text": "And they not only open, they are aligned to each other." }, { "end_time": "40:11", "start_time": "40:08", "text": "They are to if they are randomly placed, still you cannot see outside." }, { "end_time": "40:15", "start_time": "40:12", "text": "So when they come aligned like that, failure happen." }, { "end_time": "40:22", "start_time": "40:16", "text": "So we looked at, in this case, which are the windows that were opened and how they got aligned." }, { "end_time": "40:24", "start_time": "40:22", "text": "So this makes a lot of, you know, analysis." }, { "end_time": "40:27", "start_time": "40:25", "text": "Some of them are related to software." }, { "end_time": "40:32", "start_time": "40:27", "text": "Some of them are related to the assumptions that we went into the designing of that software." }, { "end_time": "40:38", "start_time": "40:32", "text": "Some of went into the performances of the engine, whether it was in the at the right level or it is up or down." }, { "end_time": "40:45", "start_time": "40:39", "text": "So we found out at least 5 different elements of it quota line to make this failure happen." }, { "end_time": "40:48", "start_time": "40:45", "text": "If one of them has not happened, this landing would have been perfect." }, { "end_time": "40:51", "start_time": "40:49", "text": "It was a fantastic finding." }, { "end_time": "40:55", "start_time": "40:51", "text": "And what we did is after finding it, we have to prove it." }, { "end_time": "40:56", "start_time": "40:55", "text": "That this is how it happened." }, { "end_time": "40:57", "start_time": "40:56", "text": "These are all hypothesis." }, { "end_time": "40:58", "start_time": "40:57", "text": "No?" }, { "end_time": "41:06", "start_time": "40:58", "text": "Unlike a car accident, I always tell, I cannot collect the car and bring back to find out whether the brake failed or, you know, the site the lander is still on the moon." }, { "end_time": "41:07", "start_time": "41:06", "text": "I couldn't bring back." }, { "end_time": "41:12", "start_time": "41:07", "text": "So I can have to synthesize a case by computer simulations or by mathematically." }, { "end_time": "41:14", "start_time": "41:13", "text": "Then we have to prove it." }, { "end_time": "41:16", "start_time": "41:14", "text": "So we created another set of hardware." }, { "end_time": "41:22", "start_time": "41:16", "text": "We tested it and then found out where it has gone wrong, and we proved the hypothesis is like this." }, { "end_time": "41:25", "start_time": "41:23", "text": "And we found it is find out correct." }, { "end_time": "41:28", "start_time": "41:25", "text": "This is why I say rocket science is the most difficult science." }, { "end_time": "41:29", "start_time": "41:28", "text": "It's difficult." }, { "end_time": "41:33", "start_time": "41:29", "text": "And many a times I can tell you, even in the 1st year, we couldn't find all the reasons." }, { "end_time": "41:39", "start_time": "41:34", "text": "And the real one of the very crucial failure case wasn't discovered only on the 4th year." }, { "end_time": "41:53", "start_time": "41:40", "text": "After we realized the entire flight hardware and we were testing it, on a on a fine day, a new issue was shown, and we found out that that is one of the most crucial issue, and it was discovered after 4 years." }, { "end_time": "41:55", "start_time": "41:53", "text": "Just randomly it was discovered." }, { "end_time": "41:59", "start_time": "41:56", "text": "This is where that spiritual helping hand also comes Yes." }, { "end_time": "42:00", "start_time": "41:59", "text": "It was destined to succeed." }, { "end_time": "42:07", "start_time": "42:01", "text": "But then it happens only when you put enough of effort, Then only it will show up." }, { "end_time": "42:08", "start_time": "42:07", "text": "You will simply keep quiet and think about it." }, { "end_time": "42:10", "start_time": "42:08", "text": "Nothing will be shown in front of you." }, { "end_time": "42:11", "start_time": "42:11", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "42:14", "start_time": "42:11", "text": "I have to bring up a slightly current affairs topic next Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:17", "start_time": "42:15", "text": "Which is, Sunita Williams, ma'am." }, { "end_time": "42:17", "start_time": "42:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:19", "start_time": "42:17", "text": "She's India's daughter in some ways." }, { "end_time": "42:20", "start_time": "42:19", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "42:24", "start_time": "42:20", "text": "She's an Indian American, currently stuck in space." }, { "end_time": "42:31", "start_time": "42:24", "text": "And all that the Internet says about her is that they blame it on Boeing, which is a private company going about their space tech." }, { "end_time": "42:33", "start_time": "42:31", "text": "They say that there's a fault in Boeing space tech." }, { "end_time": "42:42", "start_time": "42:34", "text": "And one of the solutions is again, Elon Musk's, SpaceX is launching a rocket, I think, in September of this year." }, { "end_time": "42:45", "start_time": "42:42", "text": "So that is the rocket that's expected to help it." }, { "end_time": "42:49", "start_time": "42:45", "text": "Is there anything that we can do at, ISRO in India?" }, { "end_time": "42:56", "start_time": "42:50", "text": "Right now, we can't do anything, as a direct help, because we do not have a craft that will go there up and just save her." }, { "end_time": "42:57", "start_time": "42:56", "text": "It's not possible." }, { "end_time": "43:02", "start_time": "42:58", "text": "The only possibilities are, from either from Russia or from US." }, { "end_time": "43:06", "start_time": "43:02", "text": "US has a crew dragon vehicle, which can go." }, { "end_time": "43:08", "start_time": "43:06", "text": "Russia has a Soyuz, which can go and bring them." }, { "end_time": "43:10", "start_time": "43:08", "text": "So either of these only can save them." }, { "end_time": "43:13", "start_time": "43:11", "text": "I don't see there is a serious issue at this moment." }, { "end_time": "43:26", "start_time": "43:13", "text": "Of course, the Starline the Boeing Starliner showed some anomaly, but they don't want to take risk, it appears to me, because it has shown up some issues in the past." }, { "end_time": "43:32", "start_time": "43:26", "text": "Even before launch, you know, the launches were postponed earlier many times, and finally, they took a chance and launched." }, { "end_time": "43:34", "start_time": "43:32", "text": "But they don't want to take the risk in return." }, { "end_time": "43:37", "start_time": "43:34", "text": "But the return is equal more dangerous than onward flight." }, { "end_time": "43:50", "start_time": "43:38", "text": "So that's why they are keeping, there, and I I am I am aware of that, Boeing has been doing 100 shot test into the ground to prove they are good, but the results review and clearance are not happening." }, { "end_time": "43:54", "start_time": "43:50", "text": "Maybe they will go by the Crew Dragon and set it up and bring them back." }, { "end_time": "43:54", "start_time": "43:54", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "43:58", "start_time": "43:54", "text": "But that depends on human spaceflight cannot be just like that happening." }, { "end_time": "44:01", "start_time": "43:58", "text": "So they have to schedule it and plan it and all that." }, { "end_time": "44:03", "start_time": "44:01", "text": "Possibly, that's all they are waiting for." }, { "end_time": "44:06", "start_time": "44:03", "text": "What's her reality right now in space according to you?" }, { "end_time": "44:09", "start_time": "44:07", "text": "You heard their family speaking about her." }, { "end_time": "44:12", "start_time": "44:09", "text": "They said she's at best most comfortable place on earth." }, { "end_time": "44:16", "start_time": "44:14", "text": "So I must be she must be enjoying chilling out there." }, { "end_time": "44:17", "start_time": "44:16", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "44:20", "start_time": "44:18", "text": "It's a good point to talk about Gaganyaan as well." }, { "end_time": "44:20", "start_time": "44:20", "text": "Oh, yes." }, { "end_time": "44:29", "start_time": "44:21", "text": "The kind of curious question I have, I have some cricketer friends, who have very intelligent again, they send their congratulations as well." }, { "end_time": "44:31", "start_time": "44:29", "text": "Sis Krunal Pandey and Hardik Pandey." }, { "end_time": "44:31", "start_time": "44:31", "text": "Oh." }, { "end_time": "44:42", "start_time": "44:31", "text": "And they sent in a question, which is what are the personality traits that ISRO has looked for in the astronauts selected for the Gaganyaan mission?" }, { "end_time": "44:47", "start_time": "44:43", "text": "And what was the first discussion, about the selected astronauts?" }, { "end_time": "44:51", "start_time": "44:49", "text": "See, they are skilled people." }, { "end_time": "45:00", "start_time": "44:51", "text": "They are air force pilots, fighter pilots, and not just the other pilots, they were trainer or pilots, and they have passed those exams." }, { "end_time": "45:06", "start_time": "45:00", "text": "They were working as, first time trainer, pilots, ready to fly a new aircraft, that type of skill they have." }, { "end_time": "45:09", "start_time": "45:07", "text": "They are not skilled in one aircraft." }, { "end_time": "45:15", "start_time": "45:09", "text": "I know going through the biodata, they they can fly any aircrafts, including helicopters and other fighters, transporters." }, { "end_time": "45:18", "start_time": "45:15", "text": "Such skill is one of the few other best in the series." }, { "end_time": "45:25", "start_time": "45:19", "text": "But when you come and work in ISRO as becoming an astronaut, it's a different, world." }, { "end_time": "45:32", "start_time": "45:25", "text": "They're not in the boundary where they have a specific task, training, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "45:34", "start_time": "45:32", "text": "They become students back here." }, { "end_time": "45:36", "start_time": "45:35", "text": "They are learning aeronautics." }, { "end_time": "45:37", "start_time": "45:36", "text": "They are learning rocket science." }, { "end_time": "45:40", "start_time": "45:37", "text": "They are learning the design of the craft." }, { "end_time": "45:43", "start_time": "45:40", "text": "And mind you, for the Guganians, they have come as the first time astronauts." }, { "end_time": "45:47", "start_time": "45:44", "text": "There are no nobody to train them." }, { "end_time": "45:48", "start_time": "45:47", "text": "No senior here." }, { "end_time": "45:50", "start_time": "45:48", "text": "So they are the creator of the Guganian program." }, { "end_time": "45:54", "start_time": "45:51", "text": "And even the craft they are going to fly are going to be created by them." }, { "end_time": "45:58", "start_time": "45:54", "text": "They are going to advise us and help us to create what all features they need to have." }, { "end_time": "46:01", "start_time": "45:58", "text": "So in that manner, they had need to have many talents." }, { "end_time": "46:05", "start_time": "46:02", "text": "The first thing, they are going to become engineers." }, { "end_time": "46:14", "start_time": "46:06", "text": "Though there are fighter fighter pilots, they are going to be trained in astronautics, aeronautics, and mechanics, machine, mission design, everything." }, { "end_time": "46:17", "start_time": "46:14", "text": "So they will finally become as good as scientists." }, { "end_time": "46:23", "start_time": "46:18", "text": "So that is ability to understand mathematics, science, engineering into certain extent or reasonably high extent." }, { "end_time": "46:27", "start_time": "46:24", "text": "So they are doing projects in that direction to train themselves." }, { "end_time": "46:27", "start_time": "46:27", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "46:28", "start_time": "46:27", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "46:35", "start_time": "46:28", "text": "And the second part of it is they are going to handle complex problem, which demands lot of physical, capability." }, { "end_time": "46:39", "start_time": "46:36", "text": "And that physical capability need to be coming through." }, { "end_time": "46:40", "start_time": "46:39", "text": "So there are training." }, { "end_time": "46:41", "start_time": "46:40", "text": "Fitness." }, { "end_time": "46:46", "start_time": "46:41", "text": "Fitness fitness is one part of it, but training to handle certain condition like high acceleration." }, { "end_time": "46:48", "start_time": "46:46", "text": "By fitness, it alone, it will not come." }, { "end_time": "46:50", "start_time": "46:48", "text": "Some people are not, capable of handling high acceleration." }, { "end_time": "46:52", "start_time": "46:50", "text": "Even they are very fit." }, { "end_time": "46:54", "start_time": "46:52", "text": "So they are to have many capabilities." }, { "end_time": "46:57", "start_time": "46:54", "text": "Also, there are psychological balance of handling situations." }, { "end_time": "47:00", "start_time": "46:58", "text": "They should work with people of different types." }, { "end_time": "47:03", "start_time": "47:00", "text": "They should be able to understand the critical situations." }, { "end_time": "47:06", "start_time": "47:03", "text": "When an emergency happens, they should not become panic to do some things." }, { "end_time": "47:14", "start_time": "47:06", "text": "So there are many elements of psychological, neurological tests and examinations, and they need to work as a team of various people." }, { "end_time": "47:21", "start_time": "47:14", "text": "So how they work as a team, how they contribute to this, are they balanced in terms of their approaches in dealing with others?" }, { "end_time": "47:23", "start_time": "47:21", "text": "So many such aspects are addressed." }, { "end_time": "47:23", "start_time": "47:23", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "47:24", "start_time": "47:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:26", "start_time": "47:24", "text": "There was a very detailed selection process." }, { "end_time": "47:32", "start_time": "47:26", "text": "There are senior people from various levels like medicine, medical, flying people, engineers." }, { "end_time": "47:36", "start_time": "47:32", "text": "They all work meet together to understand their them and select them." }, { "end_time": "47:41", "start_time": "47:36", "text": "But perhaps the base level requirement is the technical skill which is being a fighter pilot." }, { "end_time": "47:44", "start_time": "47:41", "text": "Because that itself you know, puts them at some 80% level." }, { "end_time": "47:45", "start_time": "47:44", "text": "We need to look at only that 20%." }, { "end_time": "47:49", "start_time": "47:46", "text": "So your selection pool was just the Indian Air Force?" }, { "end_time": "47:49", "start_time": "47:49", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "47:50", "start_time": "47:49", "text": "Only Indian Air Force." }, { "end_time": "47:51", "start_time": "47:51", "text": "Damn." }, { "end_time": "47:51", "start_time": "47:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:53", "start_time": "47:51", "text": "And from that Indian Air Force, only the trainer." }, { "end_time": "47:57", "start_time": "47:54", "text": "Pilot trainers trainers, not even fighter pilots." }, { "end_time": "48:01", "start_time": "47:57", "text": "You know, there is a dream that a lot of kids see all over the world." }, { "end_time": "48:01", "start_time": "48:01", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:03", "start_time": "48:01", "text": "They say they want to become an astronaut when they grow up." }, { "end_time": "48:04", "start_time": "48:03", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "48:13", "start_time": "48:04", "text": "Now because this is the first set of Indian astronauts, perhaps they'll be able to train the next generation well." }, { "end_time": "48:20", "start_time": "48:13", "text": "But even for the next generation of astronauts in India, would you only select them from the Indian air force?" }, { "end_time": "48:20", "start_time": "48:20", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "48:20", "start_time": "48:20", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "48:21", "start_time": "48:20", "text": "Never." }, { "end_time": "48:24", "start_time": "48:21", "text": "See, it's it's see, we had just begun the Guarindian program." }, { "end_time": "48:29", "start_time": "48:24", "text": "The first two astronauts are always from, you know, flying squadrons of air forces." }, { "end_time": "48:33", "start_time": "48:30", "text": "But later, you will see that they come from every box of life." }, { "end_time": "48:34", "start_time": "48:33", "text": "There'll be scientists." }, { "end_time": "48:42", "start_time": "48:34", "text": "There'll be the mission specialist you know, who technocrats who can do certain scientific missions, but they will all have to go through the training." }, { "end_time": "48:47", "start_time": "48:42", "text": "Because flying in a spacecraft of this nature, going to space and surviving requires certain skills." }, { "end_time": "48:53", "start_time": "48:47", "text": "That can be acquired over a period of time, but they don't have to be necessarily, air force pilots in long term." }, { "end_time": "49:02", "start_time": "48:53", "text": "When I when we create a pool of 30, 40 people in the coming days, I'm sure common people who haven't who are generally interested to become an astronaut will be having an opportunity." }, { "end_time": "49:03", "start_time": "49:03", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "49:04", "start_time": "49:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:06", "start_time": "49:04", "text": "Back to talking about slight science fiction, though." }, { "end_time": "49:07", "start_time": "49:06", "text": "Oh, yes." }, { "end_time": "49:09", "start_time": "49:08", "text": "Have you watched Interstellar?" }, { "end_time": "49:10", "start_time": "49:09", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "49:11", "start_time": "49:10", "text": "I have many times." }, { "end_time": "49:11", "start_time": "49:11", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "49:11", "start_time": "49:11", "text": "Oh, yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:12", "start_time": "49:11", "text": "Enjoyed it?" }, { "end_time": "49:13", "start_time": "49:12", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "49:13", "start_time": "49:13", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "49:15", "start_time": "49:13", "text": "Accurate depiction of space according to you?" }, { "end_time": "49:16", "start_time": "49:16", "text": "Not exactly." }, { "end_time": "49:20", "start_time": "49:17", "text": "It is a little bit of drama either, which is needed for movie." }, { "end_time": "49:21", "start_time": "49:20", "text": "That's added." }, { "end_time": "49:22", "start_time": "49:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:26", "start_time": "49:22", "text": "But they they try to be reasonable to the physics." }, { "end_time": "49:28", "start_time": "49:26", "text": "Physics is not violated, of course." }, { "end_time": "49:29", "start_time": "49:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:31", "start_time": "49:29", "text": "In terms of how they describe the black hole Yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:32", "start_time": "49:31", "text": "How they showed it?" }, { "end_time": "49:33", "start_time": "49:32", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "49:36", "start_time": "49:33", "text": "Are black holes a conversation that happened at ISRO?" }, { "end_time": "49:38", "start_time": "49:37", "text": "Not only conversation." }, { "end_time": "49:40", "start_time": "49:38", "text": "We have sent a satellite to study black holes." }, { "end_time": "49:42", "start_time": "49:41", "text": "It's our, Exposat." }, { "end_time": "49:43", "start_time": "49:43", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "49:55", "start_time": "49:43", "text": "X-ray polarimeter satellite is a specific satellite to look at black holes and how black holes accrete or rather pull the material out of another star and study using X-ray, that is emitted through the process through its polarization." }, { "end_time": "49:57", "start_time": "49:56", "text": "So we are studying black holes." }, { "end_time": "49:57", "start_time": "49:57", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "49:59", "start_time": "49:57", "text": "And we found new learnings?" }, { "end_time": "50:02", "start_time": "49:59", "text": "Of course, we have seen there are many of them already cataloged." }, { "end_time": "50:08", "start_time": "50:02", "text": "Black holes are cataloged, and this cat can be looked at by using it and study their nature and behavior." }, { "end_time": "50:09", "start_time": "50:08", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "50:09", "start_time": "50:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "50:18", "start_time": "50:09", "text": "We have another satellite called AstroSat, which also looked at similar, bodies like, neutron stars, nebula, like that." }, { "end_time": "50:22", "start_time": "50:18", "text": "In your whole career, what's the weirdest thing you have learned about outer space?" }, { "end_time": "50:24", "start_time": "50:24", "text": "Oh, no." }, { "end_time": "50:28", "start_time": "50:24", "text": "There are so many things to I don't have an answer, but I'll tell you." }, { "end_time": "50:31", "start_time": "50:28", "text": "Say, we all know that the universe is expanding." }, { "end_time": "50:32", "start_time": "50:32", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "50:34", "start_time": "50:32", "text": "You have heard about it." }, { "end_time": "50:38", "start_time": "50:34", "text": "So if you send a light beam out there, it must be traveling forever." }, { "end_time": "50:43", "start_time": "50:39", "text": "So it is also going away along with the universe, which is expanding." }, { "end_time": "50:45", "start_time": "50:43", "text": "So it will not the light cannot be stopped." }, { "end_time": "50:47", "start_time": "50:45", "text": "So if it is not stopped, the light will continue to travel." }, { "end_time": "50:48", "start_time": "50:47", "text": "Is it not?" }, { "end_time": "50:53", "start_time": "50:49", "text": "So what we are talking to each other, there is a light coming out of our face." }, { "end_time": "51:00", "start_time": "50:53", "text": "If it has any way to escape through this a small window in this room and go into space, our image will be going into the space." }, { "end_time": "51:01", "start_time": "51:00", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "51:01", "start_time": "51:01", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "51:03", "start_time": "51:01", "text": "It will travel forever." }, { "end_time": "51:12", "start_time": "51:04", "text": "And if someone far away at, say, 5000000000 years later capture the light in his eyes, they will be able to see us." }, { "end_time": "51:13", "start_time": "51:13", "text": "It's a fact." }, { "end_time": "51:20", "start_time": "51:14", "text": "Parallelly, while sitting here on earth, if we develop a technology, we'll be able to see something from 5000000000 years in the past." }, { "end_time": "51:22", "start_time": "51:20", "text": "My story is slightly different here." }, { "end_time": "51:23", "start_time": "51:22", "text": "It's slight there's a point here." }, { "end_time": "51:37", "start_time": "51:24", "text": "Even after we are dead and gone, the light that came out of us will be still traveling in the universe, and anybody looks at that light will be able to see us living, talking to each other." }, { "end_time": "51:42", "start_time": "51:37", "text": "And if you just imagine that, no, it feels like a great dream for me." }, { "end_time": "51:45", "start_time": "51:43", "text": "And it is not just a dream, it's a reality." }, { "end_time": "51:59", "start_time": "51:45", "text": "That's why when the James Webb Telescope launched recently to look at the origin of the universe, was able to look at deeper into the universe and see up to 12,000,000,000 light years back what was the nature of the universe." }, { "end_time": "52:01", "start_time": "51:59", "text": "It was able to see and take images." }, { "end_time": "52:08", "start_time": "52:02", "text": "Think about taking a photograph of something which existed 12,000,000,000 years back today." }, { "end_time": "52:09", "start_time": "52:08", "text": "Isn't this surprising?" }, { "end_time": "52:15", "start_time": "52:10", "text": "So when I think about it, I really many times, I become speechless and think about it." }, { "end_time": "52:18", "start_time": "52:16", "text": "Have you become more spiritual over the course of your journey?" }, { "end_time": "52:20", "start_time": "52:18", "text": "I was always been." }, { "end_time": "52:23", "start_time": "52:20", "text": "I I can only say when I think about it, I become more spiritual." }, { "end_time": "52:23", "start_time": "52:23", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "52:24", "start_time": "52:23", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "52:26", "start_time": "52:24", "text": "You realize how small we are?" }, { "end_time": "52:27", "start_time": "52:26", "text": "Of course, we are." }, { "end_time": "52:28", "start_time": "52:27", "text": "Very, very small." }, { "end_time": "52:28", "start_time": "52:28", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "52:30", "start_time": "52:28", "text": "It has already been told by many people." }, { "end_time": "52:35", "start_time": "52:31", "text": "This is a question I've asked a lot of monks, and I think you're nothing less than a monk in some ways." }, { "end_time": "52:38", "start_time": "52:37", "text": "What is the purpose of outer space?" }, { "end_time": "52:41", "start_time": "52:38", "text": "Why did god even create such a vast outer space?" }, { "end_time": "52:44", "start_time": "52:42", "text": "He did not create for any purpose." }, { "end_time": "52:47", "start_time": "52:45", "text": "We are only assigning purpose to it." }, { "end_time": "52:49", "start_time": "52:47", "text": "He is there because he's there." }, { "end_time": "53:00", "start_time": "52:50", "text": "In in my eyes, I felt like God created outer space to show his own size, that I created this ever expanding thing, which is infinitely large." }, { "end_time": "53:06", "start_time": "53:01", "text": "There is something different, you know, in terms of, statements which are possibly not my origin." }, { "end_time": "53:08", "start_time": "53:06", "text": "My own original thinking, it may not be." }, { "end_time": "53:15", "start_time": "53:08", "text": "I can tell you that the omnipotent God that you are referring to is the universe itself." }, { "end_time": "53:17", "start_time": "53:15", "text": "There is nothing nothing else." }, { "end_time": "53:17", "start_time": "53:17", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "53:22", "start_time": "53:18", "text": "And, the universe is there like this because he wants to feel it." }, { "end_time": "53:24", "start_time": "53:22", "text": "He or she wants to feel it." }, { "end_time": "53:30", "start_time": "53:24", "text": "So all of us are here for the experientially knowing the universe in different facets of it." }, { "end_time": "53:31", "start_time": "53:30", "text": "That's all the answer." }, { "end_time": "53:39", "start_time": "53:33", "text": "We human beings are here because the the the universal power wants to experientially know Itself." }, { "end_time": "53:42", "start_time": "53:39", "text": "Itself what is it being me." }, { "end_time": "53:44", "start_time": "53:43", "text": "That's it." }, { "end_time": "53:54", "start_time": "53:44", "text": "Have any of our satellites caught any signals from outer space which seem to have come from an established civilization?" }, { "end_time": "53:55", "start_time": "53:54", "text": "None of us." }, { "end_time": "53:58", "start_time": "53:55", "text": "None of our satellites have an ability to even pick them." }, { "end_time": "54:00", "start_time": "53:58", "text": "Settlers generally don't have that ability." }, { "end_time": "54:12", "start_time": "54:00", "text": "Generally, such things are done by ground based measurements, like radio telescopes or such scanners, frequency scanners, which are an ability to look for such faint signals." }, { "end_time": "54:15", "start_time": "54:12", "text": "Have we received any not have the such facility in Israel." }, { "end_time": "54:16", "start_time": "54:16", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "54:22", "start_time": "54:16", "text": "There are observatories of that nature, which looks at radio, measurement of the universe." }, { "end_time": "54:29", "start_time": "54:22", "text": "For example, at Pune, there is a GMR, and the Ooty has a telescope of that nature." }, { "end_time": "54:36", "start_time": "54:29", "text": "And globe world over there are such telescopes, which look at radio telescopes looks at such phenomena or picking faint signals from other universes." }, { "end_time": "54:45", "start_time": "54:36", "text": "Any idea of any faint signals about enough of that in many, articles, books, etcetera, about it, but I do not have first hand information or knowledge about it." }, { "end_time": "54:46", "start_time": "54:45", "text": "Does it fascinate you at all?" }, { "end_time": "54:48", "start_time": "54:46", "text": "Of course, it is fascinating." }, { "end_time": "55:00", "start_time": "54:48", "text": "For example, I was reading a book in in that direction about one of the observatory in Chile where they have been continuously observing, listening about some of these noises, which has a pattern to see that the signals are of this nature are coming." }, { "end_time": "55:01", "start_time": "55:01", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "55:04", "start_time": "55:01", "text": "So there is some civilization out there sending us signals?" }, { "end_time": "55:04", "start_time": "55:04", "text": "Could be." }, { "end_time": "55:05", "start_time": "55:04", "text": "It could be a civilization." }, { "end_time": "55:10", "start_time": "55:06", "text": "It could be electromagnetic noise coming out of celestial system itself." }, { "end_time": "55:13", "start_time": "55:10", "text": "For example, supernovas or black holes." }, { "end_time": "55:19", "start_time": "55:13", "text": "They also, you know, emit various types of, electromagnetic radiation." }, { "end_time": "55:29", "start_time": "55:19", "text": "It could be that, for example, you know, a spinning black hole will be emitting, certain amount of radiation at a fixed pattern because their speed of rotation is constant." }, { "end_time": "55:30", "start_time": "55:29", "text": "So it has a directionality." }, { "end_time": "55:34", "start_time": "55:30", "text": "It has it is very high power, electromagnetic beams it may be ejecting." }, { "end_time": "55:36", "start_time": "55:34", "text": "So possibly that that's what we are picking." }, { "end_time": "55:37", "start_time": "55:37", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "55:39", "start_time": "55:37", "text": "Or they may be resonating each other and picking." }, { "end_time": "55:43", "start_time": "55:39", "text": "So we may get confused by physical activity to a civilization." }, { "end_time": "55:44", "start_time": "55:43", "text": "We can't tell." }, { "end_time": "55:44", "start_time": "55:44", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "55:44", "start_time": "55:44", "text": "Fine." }, { "end_time": "55:46", "start_time": "55:44", "text": "Back to talking about this road then." }, { "end_time": "55:46", "start_time": "55:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "55:49", "start_time": "55:46", "text": "Where our technologies in India stand right now?" }, { "end_time": "55:55", "start_time": "55:49", "text": "If there is a manned mission to Mars, say Mangalyaan 3 or 4." }, { "end_time": "55:56", "start_time": "55:55", "text": "4 or 5." }, { "end_time": "55:57", "start_time": "55:56", "text": "4 or 5." }, { "end_time": "55:59", "start_time": "55:58", "text": "So you'll send rover still then?" }, { "end_time": "56:07", "start_time": "55:59", "text": "See, we we are already having plans to send rover's, landing on the Mars, which is we are thinking, why not we do it the next mission?" }, { "end_time": "56:09", "start_time": "56:07", "text": "So that's one of the goal." }, { "end_time": "56:13", "start_time": "56:09", "text": "Sending human to Mars is a possibility." }, { "end_time": "56:16", "start_time": "56:13", "text": "But then today, we do not have capability in terms of rockets." }, { "end_time": "56:16", "start_time": "56:16", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "56:19", "start_time": "56:17", "text": "The type of rockets that are required are much more massive." }, { "end_time": "56:23", "start_time": "56:20", "text": "So that has to be developed in the in the due course." }, { "end_time": "56:25", "start_time": "56:23", "text": "You mean the technology doesn't exist?" }, { "end_time": "56:26", "start_time": "56:25", "text": "Technology exists." }, { "end_time": "56:27", "start_time": "56:26", "text": "Scaling up." }, { "end_time": "56:27", "start_time": "56:27", "text": "Money." }, { "end_time": "56:28", "start_time": "56:28", "text": "Money." }, { "end_time": "56:28", "start_time": "56:28", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "56:30", "start_time": "56:29", "text": "Money, investment." }, { "end_time": "56:33", "start_time": "56:31", "text": "So that's what is lacking." }, { "end_time": "56:35", "start_time": "56:33", "text": "I don't think that we are lacking in any technology." }, { "end_time": "56:38", "start_time": "56:35", "text": "Can I ask you bluntly how much money is required?" }, { "end_time": "56:39", "start_time": "56:38", "text": "Huge money." }, { "end_time": "56:47", "start_time": "56:39", "text": "For example, if you would just want to go to moon and go and send a man on moon, we have to spend at least 2 lakh crores." }, { "end_time": "56:50", "start_time": "56:49", "text": "For 1." }, { "end_time": "56:52", "start_time": "56:50", "text": "For that first mission to take place." }, { "end_time": "56:53", "start_time": "56:52", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "56:56", "start_time": "56:53", "text": "That 2 lakh crores, I don't need to spend tomorrow." }, { "end_time": "56:58", "start_time": "56:56", "text": "It has to be spent over some 25 years." }, { "end_time": "57:02", "start_time": "56:58", "text": "Then we will have enough of stuff to do it." }, { "end_time": "57:06", "start_time": "57:02", "text": "Then going to Mars requires money of that nature." }, { "end_time": "57:12", "start_time": "57:06", "text": "So whether we are ready to invest that much money for a country like India, it is possible still today." }, { "end_time": "57:21", "start_time": "57:12", "text": "Though it may be a huge money, with a nation with 38,000,000 lakh crore worth of annual budget, it's not a bad number." }, { "end_time": "57:26", "start_time": "57:22", "text": "Spending 1 lakh crore, I'm not talking about 1 or 2 lakh crore in 1 year." }, { "end_time": "57:29", "start_time": "57:26", "text": "I'm talking about in 20 years." }, { "end_time": "57:31", "start_time": "57:29", "text": "So it's a money affordable for us." }, { "end_time": "57:33", "start_time": "57:31", "text": "That's why we are talking about man, vision, to moon." }, { "end_time": "57:43", "start_time": "57:34", "text": "So with a nation which is going to become a 3rd powerful economy of the world in the coming years, in my opinion, we should be willing to invest that much money." }, { "end_time": "57:46", "start_time": "57:45", "text": "Have you told PM Modi this?" }, { "end_time": "57:48", "start_time": "57:46", "text": "I am telling continuously everyone." }, { "end_time": "57:50", "start_time": "57:49", "text": "Wherever I get an opportunity." }, { "end_time": "57:53", "start_time": "57:51", "text": "What has he said?" }, { "end_time": "57:56", "start_time": "57:53", "text": "He is he is all all for it." }, { "end_time": "57:57", "start_time": "57:56", "text": "I am very sure about it." }, { "end_time": "58:06", "start_time": "57:57", "text": "But he is a very practical person, and he will weigh merits of what we are going to do against various other priorities our nation is looking for." }, { "end_time": "58:13", "start_time": "58:06", "text": "So once I'm very sure about it, a powerful, economically advanced nation will naturally go on for it." }, { "end_time": "58:18", "start_time": "58:13", "text": "And his first step is first vision is to make India economically a prosperous nation, then all of this will follow." }, { "end_time": "58:20", "start_time": "58:18", "text": "There is no doubt about it." }, { "end_time": "58:21", "start_time": "58:20", "text": "That's just how economics works." }, { "end_time": "58:23", "start_time": "58:21", "text": "You're supposed to first Yeah." }, { "end_time": "58:25", "start_time": "58:23", "text": "Think wide, then think deep in domains." }, { "end_time": "58:26", "start_time": "58:25", "text": "It will happen." }, { "end_time": "58:30", "start_time": "58:28", "text": "What did PM Modi say between Chandrayaan 23?" }, { "end_time": "58:36", "start_time": "58:31", "text": "Because I'm sure there was some stuff said to the whole team at ASRock behind the scenes." }, { "end_time": "58:37", "start_time": "58:36", "text": "So what was his message then?" }, { "end_time": "58:41", "start_time": "58:37", "text": "See, he has been all the time telling he supported us even after the failure." }, { "end_time": "58:44", "start_time": "58:41", "text": "He was there at our control center." }, { "end_time": "58:49", "start_time": "58:44", "text": "The next day, he came, consoled all of us, then told us that though this mission, we could not soft land." }, { "end_time": "58:54", "start_time": "58:49", "text": "Much of the mission was accomplished, and we are very near to it." }, { "end_time": "58:57", "start_time": "58:54", "text": "And we need to overcome and then he approved the second mission." }, { "end_time": "58:59", "start_time": "58:57", "text": "Without his approval, Chandrayaan 3 would not have happened." }, { "end_time": "59:01", "start_time": "58:59", "text": "So, you know, his support is very much there." }, { "end_time": "59:05", "start_time": "59:01", "text": "And all throughout that, there he has been taking regular reviews to understand what is the progress." }, { "end_time": "59:11", "start_time": "59:06", "text": "And on the Chandranayanthari also, he we briefed him, con convinced him that we are going to make this time." }, { "end_time": "59:14", "start_time": "59:12", "text": "So the support was always there from him." }, { "end_time": "59:14", "start_time": "59:14", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "59:23", "start_time": "59:14", "text": "I've seen enough of your interviews to know how much you highlight the mental concept of frugality within ISRO." }, { "end_time": "59:23", "start_time": "59:23", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "59:24", "start_time": "59:23", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "59:29", "start_time": "59:24", "text": "In terms of at every level, there is frugality for the sake of cost effectiveness." }, { "end_time": "59:34", "start_time": "59:29", "text": "That's why these narratives of us using only 10% of the budget of NASA for the same projects." }, { "end_time": "59:40", "start_time": "59:34", "text": "So while we conceive a project, while we think about a project, we must bring in sensitiveness to the cost." }, { "end_time": "59:41", "start_time": "59:40", "text": "Practicality." }, { "end_time": "59:41", "start_time": "59:41", "text": "Practicality." }, { "end_time": "59:45", "start_time": "59:41", "text": "And we must also be sensitive to the part that is money is not brought from our own pocket." }, { "end_time": "59:46", "start_time": "59:45", "text": "It is actually public money." }, { "end_time": "59:47", "start_time": "59:46", "text": "Taxpayers." }, { "end_time": "59:51", "start_time": "59:47", "text": "And once your taxpayers' money is there, we must be answerable to every price has spent." }, { "end_time": "59:53", "start_time": "59:51", "text": "And this must be told again and again and again." }, { "end_time": "59:59", "start_time": "59:53", "text": "There is a nature of human being to think away from it because you don't understand." }, { "end_time": "1:00:03", "start_time": "59:59", "text": "See, when you spend crores for your personal worth, you may not be spending that much money." }, { "end_time": "1:00:06", "start_time": "1:00:03", "text": "Government money, when you spend, you must be very conscious about it." }, { "end_time": "1:00:13", "start_time": "1:00:06", "text": "And that consciousness puts us here to do don't do unwanted things and do only what is necessary to achieve the goal." }, { "end_time": "1:00:16", "start_time": "1:00:13", "text": "And that too, how to there are questions of reuse." }, { "end_time": "1:00:23", "start_time": "1:00:16", "text": "See, I have and when I was a project director, every hardware after testing, I sent back to the workshop, refurbished it, reused it." }, { "end_time": "1:00:26", "start_time": "1:00:24", "text": "In many many places, it'll happen is it'll be thrown out." }, { "end_time": "1:00:28", "start_time": "1:00:26", "text": "It is anyway tested hardware, throw away." }, { "end_time": "1:00:28", "start_time": "1:00:28", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:00:29", "start_time": "1:00:28", "text": "Never we never allowed." }, { "end_time": "1:00:33", "start_time": "1:00:30", "text": "Where if you can repair and reuse it, you'll repair and reuse it." }, { "end_time": "1:00:37", "start_time": "1:00:33", "text": "Bring down the total overall, you know, material procurement to embarrass minimum." }, { "end_time": "1:00:42", "start_time": "1:00:38", "text": "Even scraps, I have worked on it to convert into a useful things and use." }, { "end_time": "1:00:46", "start_time": "1:00:42", "text": "So once you have that thinking in your mind, we'll find solutions for it." }, { "end_time": "1:00:47", "start_time": "1:00:46", "text": "Jugard." }, { "end_time": "1:00:47", "start_time": "1:00:47", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:00:50", "start_time": "1:00:48", "text": "That's a part of ISRO's mindset." }, { "end_time": "1:00:52", "start_time": "1:00:50", "text": "It's a culture, the mindset." }, { "end_time": "1:00:52", "start_time": "1:00:52", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:00:53", "start_time": "1:00:52", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "1:00:55", "start_time": "1:00:53", "text": "This is because of doctor Sarawhai." }, { "end_time": "1:01:00", "start_time": "1:00:56", "text": "Of all the generations of people came after him also to convey the similar, you know, sentiments." }, { "end_time": "1:01:01", "start_time": "1:01:01", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "1:01:04", "start_time": "1:01:01", "text": "I have to bring up a meme at this point, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:01:09", "start_time": "1:01:04", "text": "I remember this went viral after, Chandrayaan 3, I believe." }, { "end_time": "1:01:09", "start_time": "1:01:09", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:14", "start_time": "1:01:10", "text": "So the meme went like, Avatar film in 2009." }, { "end_time": "1:01:14", "start_time": "1:01:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:01:15", "start_time": "1:01:14", "text": "The budget was $237,000,000." }, { "end_time": "1:01:17", "start_time": "1:01:16", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:01:18", "start_time": "1:01:17", "text": "Interstellar was $165,000,000." }, { "end_time": "1:01:24", "start_time": "1:01:20", "text": "The Martian was $108,000,000 and Chandrayaan 3 was $75,000,000." }, { "end_time": "1:01:28", "start_time": "1:01:26", "text": "Did this meme reach you?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:28", "start_time": "1:01:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:01:28", "start_time": "1:01:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:01:29", "start_time": "1:01:28", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "1:01:29", "start_time": "1:01:29", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "1:01:30", "start_time": "1:01:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:01:31", "start_time": "1:01:30", "text": "How do you feel about that?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:32", "start_time": "1:01:31", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:01:33", "start_time": "1:01:32", "text": "We knew it already." }, { "end_time": "1:01:37", "start_time": "1:01:34", "text": "About the about the frugality, the cost of fitness, our work is well known." }, { "end_time": "1:01:39", "start_time": "1:01:37", "text": "But I don't know about the cost of those movies." }, { "end_time": "1:01:42", "start_time": "1:01:39", "text": "I still don't know how they spend so much of money to build a movie." }, { "end_time": "1:01:47", "start_time": "1:01:43", "text": "I must be educated on how to spend a 175,000,000 and still make a movie." }, { "end_time": "1:01:50", "start_time": "1:01:48", "text": "I think it's like frame by frame graphic designing." }, { "end_time": "1:01:52", "start_time": "1:01:50", "text": "Maybe somebody's targeting them too much." }, { "end_time": "1:01:55", "start_time": "1:01:53", "text": "You know where the graphic design studios are?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:55", "start_time": "1:01:55", "text": "Mumbai." }, { "end_time": "1:01:57", "start_time": "1:01:55", "text": "Mostly here in India." }, { "end_time": "1:01:57", "start_time": "1:01:57", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:01:59", "start_time": "1:01:57", "text": "So they're they're they're charging them too much." }, { "end_time": "1:02:00", "start_time": "1:01:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:02:03", "start_time": "1:02:00", "text": "Of course, you'd be happier with even higher budgets." }, { "end_time": "1:02:03", "start_time": "1:02:03", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:04", "start_time": "1:02:03", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "1:02:04", "start_time": "1:02:04", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:02:04", "start_time": "1:02:04", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:05", "start_time": "1:02:04", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:02:06", "start_time": "1:02:05", "text": "We need higher budget." }, { "end_time": "1:02:09", "start_time": "1:02:06", "text": "If you are to go achieve those goals that I mentioned, we definitely need." }, { "end_time": "1:02:11", "start_time": "1:02:10", "text": "And and I'm and it's coming." }, { "end_time": "1:02:13", "start_time": "1:02:11", "text": "I am very sure about it." }, { "end_time": "1:02:13", "start_time": "1:02:13", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:02:15", "start_time": "1:02:14", "text": "I have a dear friend, Abhijit Chawra." }, { "end_time": "1:02:17", "start_time": "1:02:15", "text": "I don't know if you've seen any of his podcasts." }, { "end_time": "1:02:17", "start_time": "1:02:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:02:18", "start_time": "1:02:17", "text": "He's You have." }, { "end_time": "1:02:18", "start_time": "1:02:18", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:02:20", "start_time": "1:02:19", "text": "Chawla, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:02:20", "start_time": "1:02:20", "text": "Uh-huh." }, { "end_time": "1:02:28", "start_time": "1:02:21", "text": "So he is very, very passionate about ISRO, and he's taught me everything that I know about space and astrophysics also." }, { "end_time": "1:02:30", "start_time": "1:02:28", "text": "So a lot of this conversation is happening because of what I learned from him." }, { "end_time": "1:02:36", "start_time": "1:02:30", "text": "He feels fiery about the fact that ISRO deserves even higher budgets than it gets." }, { "end_time": "1:02:38", "start_time": "1:02:36", "text": "But you're saying that things are going upwards." }, { "end_time": "1:02:38", "start_time": "1:02:38", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:39", "start_time": "1:02:38", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:02:39", "start_time": "1:02:39", "text": "Definitely." }, { "end_time": "1:02:45", "start_time": "1:02:39", "text": "So expenditure monitoring tells you that you need to spend the money that is targeted for every month." }, { "end_time": "1:02:49", "start_time": "1:02:45", "text": "So there is a monthly target and the quarterly target, yearly target monitoring." }, { "end_time": "1:02:50", "start_time": "1:02:49", "text": "Everything is happening." }, { "end_time": "1:02:54", "start_time": "1:02:50", "text": "Even with all of that, we are still having Excess." }, { "end_time": "1:02:54", "start_time": "1:02:54", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:02:55", "start_time": "1:02:54", "text": "K?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:57", "start_time": "1:02:55", "text": "So that means we are never short of money." }, { "end_time": "1:02:58", "start_time": "1:02:57", "text": "We are short of programs." }, { "end_time": "1:03:02", "start_time": "1:02:59", "text": "Possibly, if you add new programs, we'll have more more money." }, { "end_time": "1:03:04", "start_time": "1:03:02", "text": "Did everyone at ISRO watch Mission Mangal?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:04", "start_time": "1:03:04", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:03:05", "start_time": "1:03:04", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:03:07", "start_time": "1:03:06", "text": "All of us watched." }, { "end_time": "1:03:07", "start_time": "1:03:07", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:03:10", "start_time": "1:03:07", "text": "How did the ladies at ISRO feel about Mission Mangal?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:12", "start_time": "1:03:10", "text": "You would have seen them, all of them, in the Chandrayaan drill Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:03:13", "start_time": "1:03:13", "text": "Program." }, { "end_time": "1:03:14", "start_time": "1:03:14", "text": "They were all there." }, { "end_time": "1:03:21", "start_time": "1:03:14", "text": "There are plenty many many women part of this, mission, but they, of course, they don't, do cooking in the control center." }, { "end_time": "1:03:29", "start_time": "1:03:26", "text": "How did AVR and Dessro feel about Mission Banger?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:29", "start_time": "1:03:29", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:03:30", "start_time": "1:03:29", "text": "It's a very no." }, { "end_time": "1:03:31", "start_time": "1:03:31", "text": "Entertainer." }, { "end_time": "1:03:34", "start_time": "1:03:32", "text": "So we look at that as an entertaining movie." }, { "end_time": "1:03:37", "start_time": "1:03:35", "text": "It gives some aspects of the life in Isro." }, { "end_time": "1:03:37", "start_time": "1:03:37", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:03:39", "start_time": "1:03:37", "text": "Back to astrophysics, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:03:39", "start_time": "1:03:39", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:03:41", "start_time": "1:03:39", "text": "Are you liking this conversation till this point?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:42", "start_time": "1:03:41", "text": "Having fun?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:43", "start_time": "1:03:42", "text": "Oh, yes." }, { "end_time": "1:03:43", "start_time": "1:03:43", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "1:03:46", "start_time": "1:03:43", "text": "Did you expect I'll ask you about aliens and this kind of stuff?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:48", "start_time": "1:03:46", "text": "It's it's always a question most people ask." }, { "end_time": "1:03:51", "start_time": "1:03:50", "text": "You're bored of answering it?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:51", "start_time": "1:03:51", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:03:52", "start_time": "1:03:51", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:03:54", "start_time": "1:03:52", "text": "Every time I find something new to put into it." }, { "end_time": "1:03:55", "start_time": "1:03:54", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:03:57", "start_time": "1:03:55", "text": "Can we talk about Europa, the moon?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:58", "start_time": "1:03:57", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:03:59", "start_time": "1:03:58", "text": "It's the moon of Jupiter." }, { "end_time": "1:03:59", "start_time": "1:03:59", "text": "Jupiter." }, { "end_time": "1:04:00", "start_time": "1:03:59", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:02", "start_time": "1:04:00", "text": "Apparently, Jupiter has 95 moons." }, { "end_time": "1:04:04", "start_time": "1:04:03", "text": "That's a huge number." }, { "end_time": "1:04:12", "start_time": "1:04:04", "text": "But is there any kind of conversation that you have with other space agencies about exploring the moons of Jupiter?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:14", "start_time": "1:04:13", "text": "Not yet." }, { "end_time": "1:04:18", "start_time": "1:04:14", "text": "Because, there were there were, you know, experiments to go to asteroids." }, { "end_time": "1:04:19", "start_time": "1:04:19", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:04:20", "start_time": "1:04:19", "text": "Landing on asteroids." }, { "end_time": "1:04:25", "start_time": "1:04:20", "text": "For example, Japan, used to do some of them, you know, high abusha and things like that." }, { "end_time": "1:04:27", "start_time": "1:04:25", "text": "So those were some of the discussions that we had." }, { "end_time": "1:04:30", "start_time": "1:04:27", "text": "I have so many questions because I have questions about asteroids as well." }, { "end_time": "1:04:30", "start_time": "1:04:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:04:36", "start_time": "1:04:31", "text": "But I'll actually first ask you a more, Mangalyaan related question." }, { "end_time": "1:04:44", "start_time": "1:04:37", "text": "So how long is the duration from Earth up till, like, the surface of Mars with where technology stands currently?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:48", "start_time": "1:04:44", "text": "See, the whole, you are talking about the duration of travel?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:48", "start_time": "1:04:48", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:04:53", "start_time": "1:04:48", "text": "The duration of travel is a function of the velocities that you can give to the satellite." }, { "end_time": "1:05:02", "start_time": "1:04:54", "text": "We had a very frugal, again, approach to send a craft to Mars because we did not have a rocket which was more powerful enough to send." }, { "end_time": "1:05:03", "start_time": "1:05:02", "text": "We used only PSLV." }, { "end_time": "1:05:08", "start_time": "1:05:04", "text": "Nobody in the world would have ever done with a mission to Mars with a rocket or their class." }, { "end_time": "1:05:16", "start_time": "1:05:08", "text": "So we had to place it around Earth, progressively raise its orbit and increase its velocity, and then finally take it to, Mars." }, { "end_time": "1:05:19", "start_time": "1:05:16", "text": "So it took it almost, 6 months to reach there." }, { "end_time": "1:05:20", "start_time": "1:05:20", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "1:05:28", "start_time": "1:05:20", "text": "So if you if you have a more powerful rocket, I can put it in right away in the very high elliptical orbit so that duration can be substantially reduced." }, { "end_time": "1:05:32", "start_time": "1:05:29", "text": "Maybe to make it to 3 months, but less than that is not feasible." }, { "end_time": "1:05:36", "start_time": "1:05:32", "text": "Is it feasible to place human beings within that spacecraft?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:39", "start_time": "1:05:36", "text": "In the size of the spacecraft that we described, not possible." }, { "end_time": "1:05:41", "start_time": "1:05:39", "text": "We have to design it separately." }, { "end_time": "1:05:42", "start_time": "1:05:41", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:05:42", "start_time": "1:05:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:05:44", "start_time": "1:05:43", "text": "Again, this is we're talking about the future." }, { "end_time": "1:05:45", "start_time": "1:05:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:05:45", "start_time": "1:05:45", "text": "In the future." }, { "end_time": "1:05:45", "start_time": "1:05:45", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:05:54", "start_time": "1:05:45", "text": "But realistically speaking, do you think it could be a mission where within 6 months, the duration of travel is covered?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:56", "start_time": "1:05:54", "text": "You don't need 6 months, really." }, { "end_time": "1:05:59", "start_time": "1:05:56", "text": "6 months is on account of whatever we did, the type of mission that we did." }, { "end_time": "1:06:05", "start_time": "1:05:59", "text": "Possible in 3 months with a very high rocket capability, propulsion capability, we can travel." }, { "end_time": "1:06:10", "start_time": "1:06:05", "text": "But the issue is if you travel too fast, you will have a very high velocity at the end." }, { "end_time": "1:06:15", "start_time": "1:06:10", "text": "You have to reduce the velocity to enter into the orbit of Mars." }, { "end_time": "1:06:17", "start_time": "1:06:15", "text": "For that, you have to kill all the velocity." }, { "end_time": "1:06:20", "start_time": "1:06:18", "text": "To kill the velocity, you need to spend again fuel." }, { "end_time": "1:06:27", "start_time": "1:06:20", "text": "So it's the whole economy of going traveling is like a so when you travel in a car, you can apply brake." }, { "end_time": "1:06:29", "start_time": "1:06:27", "text": "How to brake a satellite?" }, { "end_time": "1:06:31", "start_time": "1:06:29", "text": "There is no way to apply brake." }, { "end_time": "1:06:37", "start_time": "1:06:31", "text": "So the only way to reduce the speed of a satellite is to reverse it and fire the engine in the opposite direction." }, { "end_time": "1:06:37", "start_time": "1:06:37", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "1:06:39", "start_time": "1:06:37", "text": "And that will consume more fuel." }, { "end_time": "1:06:42", "start_time": "1:06:39", "text": "So you'll have to carry all the fuel from here up to that point to reduce its speed." }, { "end_time": "1:06:49", "start_time": "1:06:43", "text": "So what you do is you find out what is the most optimum speed that will take you up there, but don't have too much of velocity reduction." }, { "end_time": "1:06:51", "start_time": "1:06:49", "text": "You'll end up at the right velocity." }, { "end_time": "1:06:54", "start_time": "1:06:52", "text": "So this is a trick that you have to do by optimization." }, { "end_time": "1:06:55", "start_time": "1:06:55", "text": "Rocket science." }, { "end_time": "1:07:01", "start_time": "1:06:56", "text": "The duration plus energy plus quantity of fuel that you need to carry, everything need to be factored in the calculation." }, { "end_time": "1:07:01", "start_time": "1:07:01", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "1:07:05", "start_time": "1:07:01", "text": "What's the innovations in terms of fuel that are coming up?" }, { "end_time": "1:07:09", "start_time": "1:07:05", "text": "Fuel, there is, the methane is the one of the beautiful fuel that has emerged." }, { "end_time": "1:07:13", "start_time": "1:07:09", "text": "You know, methane, chemical composition is carbon and 4 hydrogen, CH 4." }, { "end_time": "1:07:17", "start_time": "1:07:15", "text": "So, you know, carbon is there in carbon dioxide." }, { "end_time": "1:07:18", "start_time": "1:07:17", "text": "Carbon plus oxygen." }, { "end_time": "1:07:20", "start_time": "1:07:18", "text": "2 car oxygen, you get carbon dioxide." }, { "end_time": "1:07:24", "start_time": "1:07:21", "text": "And hydrogen plus what oxygen is water." }, { "end_time": "1:07:26", "start_time": "1:07:24", "text": "So h two, you pull the hydrogen from water." }, { "end_time": "1:07:29", "start_time": "1:07:26", "text": "You take the carbon from carbon dioxide, you get methane." }, { "end_time": "1:07:34", "start_time": "1:07:29", "text": "So what is remaining is oxygen from carbon dioxide and oxygen from water." }, { "end_time": "1:07:41", "start_time": "1:07:35", "text": "So if you combine water and carbon dioxide, that means you take your soda water, it is equivalent to methane and oxygen." }, { "end_time": "1:07:43", "start_time": "1:07:42", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:07:49", "start_time": "1:07:43", "text": "So if you can do this split of water and carbon dioxide into methane and oxygen, you get the fuel and oxidizer." }, { "end_time": "1:07:52", "start_time": "1:07:50", "text": "So this is called Sabater reaction." }, { "end_time": "1:08:02", "start_time": "1:07:52", "text": "And if you can convert this by electro electrical process, you supply an electrical energy, you can make carbon dioxide and water to combine together to produce methane and oxygen." }, { "end_time": "1:08:05", "start_time": "1:08:02", "text": "Is this the same kind of fuel that'll be used 30 years?" }, { "end_time": "1:08:07", "start_time": "1:08:05", "text": "Fuel used in, all the rockets now." }, { "end_time": "1:08:10", "start_time": "1:08:07", "text": "We are also developing rockets with the methane fuel." }, { "end_time": "1:08:15", "start_time": "1:08:10", "text": "But 30 years from now, will it still be Even now even now the rockets that, Elon Musk is flying is with methane." }, { "end_time": "1:08:15", "start_time": "1:08:15", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:08:18", "start_time": "1:08:15", "text": "And we already started our methane engine development program." }, { "end_time": "1:08:22", "start_time": "1:08:18", "text": "I'm just trying to visualize a reality where we have to explore the moons of Jupiter." }, { "end_time": "1:08:24", "start_time": "1:08:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:08:26", "start_time": "1:08:24", "text": "For that, we already have methane rockets." }, { "end_time": "1:08:32", "start_time": "1:08:26", "text": "It's they are capable of, rock sending crafts to those 2 I mean, those moons." }, { "end_time": "1:08:33", "start_time": "1:08:32", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "1:08:33", "start_time": "1:08:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:08:41", "start_time": "1:08:34", "text": "But do you think there'll ever be a phase where we start using nuclear energy to Nuclear energy is possible, but this nuclear energy also requires a fuel." }, { "end_time": "1:08:42", "start_time": "1:08:41", "text": "It's not nuclear fuel." }, { "end_time": "1:08:45", "start_time": "1:08:42", "text": "Nuclear fuel is used to only generate thermal energy." }, { "end_time": "1:08:45", "start_time": "1:08:45", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:08:47", "start_time": "1:08:45", "text": "But rocket requires something to be ejected." }, { "end_time": "1:08:50", "start_time": "1:08:48", "text": "So they use hydrogen as a fuel." }, { "end_time": "1:08:55", "start_time": "1:08:50", "text": "So hydrogen, you have to carry hydrogen and then eject after heating, it has to be ejected." }, { "end_time": "1:08:59", "start_time": "1:08:55", "text": "So everywhere nuclear powered rockets were developed in the past." }, { "end_time": "1:09:03", "start_time": "1:08:59", "text": "In sixties, seventies, development happened, but everybody closed down." }, { "end_time": "1:09:06", "start_time": "1:09:03", "text": "But once again, people have started developing in America." }, { "end_time": "1:09:07", "start_time": "1:09:06", "text": "Why did it close down?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:14", "start_time": "1:09:08", "text": "Because, you know, after the cold war time where lot of work was done, there was a lull period in space." }, { "end_time": "1:09:17", "start_time": "1:09:15", "text": "The lull period happened after the moon landing." }, { "end_time": "1:09:23", "start_time": "1:09:17", "text": "All such high end developments came down, and the only focus was on developing space stations." }, { "end_time": "1:09:25", "start_time": "1:09:23", "text": "MERS space station came up in US." }, { "end_time": "1:09:28", "start_time": "1:09:26", "text": "International Space Station came up in in America." }, { "end_time": "1:09:33", "start_time": "1:09:29", "text": "The Space Shuttle came, and traveling to Moon, Mars, etcetera, was not a low priority." }, { "end_time": "1:09:36", "start_time": "1:09:34", "text": "Everything was on low Earth orbit, exploration." }, { "end_time": "1:09:44", "start_time": "1:09:37", "text": "And that did not require any nuclear propulsion, And it was not safe because human beings are operating it." }, { "end_time": "1:09:52", "start_time": "1:09:44", "text": "But when you look at long term human exploration, going far away to other planets and etcetera, more nuclear fueled rockets are necessary." }, { "end_time": "1:09:53", "start_time": "1:09:52", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "1:09:54", "start_time": "1:09:53", "text": "So that's why there is a new thinking." }, { "end_time": "1:09:58", "start_time": "1:09:54", "text": "Go into Mars, then nuclear fuel rockets will come up." }, { "end_time": "1:10:03", "start_time": "1:09:58", "text": "I remember when I was a kid, there was a show on Star World, which was about the Mars rover." }, { "end_time": "1:10:06", "start_time": "1:10:04", "text": "I can't remember if it was Star World or National Geographic." }, { "end_time": "1:10:08", "start_time": "1:10:07", "text": "Must have been National Geographic." }, { "end_time": "1:10:13", "start_time": "1:10:09", "text": "But, I think America, NASA had sent a Mars rover in 2004 or 2000." }, { "end_time": "1:10:16", "start_time": "1:10:13", "text": "And many others they have sent." }, { "end_time": "1:10:22", "start_time": "1:10:16", "text": "What kind of data was collected by those rovers, and does NASA share that data with other space agencies?" }, { "end_time": "1:10:24", "start_time": "1:10:22", "text": "Nobody shares data with anyone." }, { "end_time": "1:10:26", "start_time": "1:10:24", "text": "See, these data are exclusive." }, { "end_time": "1:10:27", "start_time": "1:10:26", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:10:31", "start_time": "1:10:27", "text": "So then but some amount of data is always shared, especially science mission data." }, { "end_time": "1:10:36", "start_time": "1:10:31", "text": "After certain lock in period in every country, after that, they will share." }, { "end_time": "1:10:39", "start_time": "1:10:36", "text": "So by the time, the most of the science would have already been published." }, { "end_time": "1:10:42", "start_time": "1:10:39", "text": "And, many of the classified information, they will never give." }, { "end_time": "1:10:45", "start_time": "1:10:42", "text": "So this is the nature of the inform." }, { "end_time": "1:10:49", "start_time": "1:10:45", "text": "So whatever they know about Mars today, everything will not be known to us." }, { "end_time": "1:10:53", "start_time": "1:10:49", "text": "But there is things that America probably knows about Mars that India doesn't right now." }, { "end_time": "1:10:54", "start_time": "1:10:53", "text": "Of course, they will they will have." }, { "end_time": "1:10:54", "start_time": "1:10:54", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:10:57", "start_time": "1:10:54", "text": "And there's things India knows about the moon that America doesn't?" }, { "end_time": "1:10:59", "start_time": "1:10:58", "text": "That's a difficult question." }, { "end_time": "1:11:01", "start_time": "1:10:59", "text": "In my in my opinion, there could be something." }, { "end_time": "1:11:02", "start_time": "1:11:01", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:11:03", "start_time": "1:11:02", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "1:11:04", "start_time": "1:11:04", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:11:07", "start_time": "1:11:05", "text": "Have you met the leaders of NASA?" }, { "end_time": "1:11:08", "start_time": "1:11:07", "text": "Oh, yes." }, { "end_time": "1:11:08", "start_time": "1:11:08", "text": "Yes?" }, { "end_time": "1:11:09", "start_time": "1:11:08", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:11:11", "start_time": "1:11:09", "text": "What is the energy in between you guys?" }, { "end_time": "1:11:12", "start_time": "1:11:11", "text": "They're very keen to work with us." }, { "end_time": "1:11:13", "start_time": "1:11:12", "text": "I'm very happy about it." }, { "end_time": "1:11:18", "start_time": "1:11:13", "text": "In fact, I visited headquarters of NASA, administrator." }, { "end_time": "1:11:21", "start_time": "1:11:18", "text": "I had even the personal administrator, the former administrator." }, { "end_time": "1:11:23", "start_time": "1:11:21", "text": "I had a very strong connection." }, { "end_time": "1:11:27", "start_time": "1:11:23", "text": "And because of that such link only, we have now enabled the, the government level also." }, { "end_time": "1:11:31", "start_time": "1:11:27", "text": "There is a strong link in the, on cooperating on space." }, { "end_time": "1:11:40", "start_time": "1:11:32", "text": "President Biden and prime minister signed the pact to work on the International Space Station utilization." }, { "end_time": "1:11:45", "start_time": "1:11:40", "text": "And after that, both of both of us, the agency chiefs met, and we decided to do pursue it." }, { "end_time": "1:11:50", "start_time": "1:11:45", "text": "We signed the contract recently, and then our astronauts are already undergoing training there now." }, { "end_time": "1:11:50", "start_time": "1:11:50", "text": "Gotcha." }, { "end_time": "1:11:53", "start_time": "1:11:50", "text": "Is it there also must be an exchange of technology." }, { "end_time": "1:11:58", "start_time": "1:11:53", "text": "There is no exchange of technology because that is not easy in in terms of domain of technology." }, { "end_time": "1:12:06", "start_time": "1:11:58", "text": "But we will work together on topics of each suppose we have a certain strength, they have a certain strength, we find a way to work together." }, { "end_time": "1:12:12", "start_time": "1:12:06", "text": "What For example, we are working on a satellite called a NISA, NISA, NASA ISRO Synthetic Aperture Radar." }, { "end_time": "1:12:15", "start_time": "1:12:12", "text": "So this is a radar satellite with 2 radars." }, { "end_time": "1:12:19", "start_time": "1:12:15", "text": "1, we call it l band radar, working in l band, and another radar in s band." }, { "end_time": "1:12:21", "start_time": "1:12:19", "text": "So l band radar is made by them." }, { "end_time": "1:12:23", "start_time": "1:12:21", "text": "S band radar is made by us." }, { "end_time": "1:12:24", "start_time": "1:12:23", "text": "So we both integrated." }, { "end_time": "1:12:25", "start_time": "1:12:24", "text": "Gotcha." }, { "end_time": "1:12:27", "start_time": "1:12:25", "text": "Then the software was returned to use both of them together." }, { "end_time": "1:12:30", "start_time": "1:12:27", "text": "Then the primary satellite was built by us, and we are going to launch." }, { "end_time": "1:12:31", "start_time": "1:12:30", "text": "Understood." }, { "end_time": "1:12:32", "start_time": "1:12:31", "text": "So this is a way of working together." }, { "end_time": "1:12:34", "start_time": "1:12:33", "text": "There is no sharing of technology." }, { "end_time": "1:12:35", "start_time": "1:12:34", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "1:12:37", "start_time": "1:12:35", "text": "Sharing of competence to work on a common result." }, { "end_time": "1:12:38", "start_time": "1:12:37", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "1:12:45", "start_time": "1:12:38", "text": "It said that in 2029, there's going to be an asteroid that comes very close to the earth and could be dangerous." }, { "end_time": "1:12:45", "start_time": "1:12:45", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:12:49", "start_time": "1:12:45", "text": "And there's also prediction for 2038, I believe." }, { "end_time": "1:12:54", "start_time": "1:12:49", "text": "Parallelly, through the show, I have learned a lot about ancient history." }, { "end_time": "1:12:59", "start_time": "1:12:54", "text": "And I've learned about how cataclysmic events are a very regular occurrence in our universe." }, { "end_time": "1:13:10", "start_time": "1:13:01", "text": "For example, now the world of history is waking up to the fact that perhaps, what we are taught in our textbooks is not the accurate beginning of human history." }, { "end_time": "1:13:17", "start_time": "1:13:11", "text": "And regularly, after long intervals, the earth undergoes some cataclysmic events." }, { "end_time": "1:13:25", "start_time": "1:13:17", "text": "So the most recent one was something called the Younger Dryas impact, where an asteroid was said to hit the earth near the Gulf of Mexico." }, { "end_time": "1:13:33", "start_time": "1:13:25", "text": "And that reduced the human population so much that it could probably be understood that, human civilization had to reboot itself." }, { "end_time": "1:13:50", "start_time": "1:13:34", "text": "So what we learn about the Indus Valley civilization and the Mesopotamian civilization is actually studies about a reboot, But perhaps, human civilization was much more built out before 12,000 BC, which is when roughly the Younger Dryas impact theory, takes place." }, { "end_time": "1:13:54", "start_time": "1:13:51", "text": "But I'm highlighting the Younger Dryas impact theory to ask you about asteroids." }, { "end_time": "1:13:55", "start_time": "1:13:55", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:14:00", "start_time": "1:13:55", "text": "Because even a small asteroid that's like a kilometre wide That's very dangerous to have a hitting on Earth Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:14:02", "start_time": "1:14:00", "text": "Of that that size." }, { "end_time": "1:14:05", "start_time": "1:14:02", "text": "It's equivalent of being hit by a bullet as a human being." }, { "end_time": "1:14:08", "start_time": "1:14:05", "text": "It's a bullet for the Earth, but a bullet that can destroy humanity." }, { "end_time": "1:14:09", "start_time": "1:14:08", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:14:17", "start_time": "1:14:09", "text": "Is this a conversation that ISRO has to have with NASA to collaborate and to help in fighting of that threat?" }, { "end_time": "1:14:18", "start_time": "1:14:17", "text": "Because this is a threat to humankind." }, { "end_time": "1:14:21", "start_time": "1:14:19", "text": "This is not only with the NASA, but with all the space agencies." }, { "end_time": "1:14:24", "start_time": "1:14:21", "text": "We have different fora where we discuss with such topics." }, { "end_time": "1:14:27", "start_time": "1:14:25", "text": "It's called near earth objects." }, { "end_time": "1:14:28", "start_time": "1:14:27", "text": "Neos, we call." }, { "end_time": "1:14:31", "start_time": "1:14:29", "text": "Near earth objects, which are part of the solar system." }, { "end_time": "1:14:33", "start_time": "1:14:31", "text": "They travel as, asteroids." }, { "end_time": "1:14:35", "start_time": "1:14:34", "text": "They come occasionally, visit us." }, { "end_time": "1:14:38", "start_time": "1:14:35", "text": "They are in highly elliptical orbits, comes out of the asteroid belt." }, { "end_time": "1:14:44", "start_time": "1:14:38", "text": "Sometimes Due to collision, they travel far away and then come very random paths they choose." }, { "end_time": "1:14:48", "start_time": "1:14:44", "text": "And as you said, there there has been many such events in the history of Earth." }, { "end_time": "1:14:57", "start_time": "1:14:48", "text": "At least 4, 5 of them are cataloged to have major events, which created, no, total destruction and rebooting as you said." }, { "end_time": "1:14:59", "start_time": "1:14:57", "text": "Another reason was one in Siberia, I believe." }, { "end_time": "1:15:01", "start_time": "1:14:59", "text": "Siberia didn't didn't hit." }, { "end_time": "1:15:05", "start_time": "1:15:01", "text": "It actually passed over the forest and destroyed the lots of trees." }, { "end_time": "1:15:05", "start_time": "1:15:05", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:15:05", "start_time": "1:15:05", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:15:08", "start_time": "1:15:05", "text": "Which created this huge boom and burning of all of that." }, { "end_time": "1:15:13", "start_time": "1:15:09", "text": "So this will happen in the history because our time spans are few 100 years." }, { "end_time": "1:15:15", "start_time": "1:15:13", "text": "We don't even record them." }, { "end_time": "1:15:18", "start_time": "1:15:15", "text": "But then it happens in every 1,000 few 1000 of years." }, { "end_time": "1:15:24", "start_time": "1:15:19", "text": "But point here is that if such an event going to happen now, we cannot be spectators." }, { "end_time": "1:15:25", "start_time": "1:15:24", "text": "We should do something." }, { "end_time": "1:15:34", "start_time": "1:15:26", "text": "So for this, there are various defense discussions take place in various fora like UN Cupas and many other international fora." }, { "end_time": "1:15:36", "start_time": "1:15:34", "text": "We have forums which will discuss this." }, { "end_time": "1:15:37", "start_time": "1:15:36", "text": "And many things will have to be done." }, { "end_time": "1:15:40", "start_time": "1:15:37", "text": "1, observing and understanding such an event is going to take place." }, { "end_time": "1:15:41", "start_time": "1:15:40", "text": "This is the first thing." }, { "end_time": "1:15:42", "start_time": "1:15:41", "text": "Awareness about it." }, { "end_time": "1:15:48", "start_time": "1:15:42", "text": "Are we able to track such objects using radars and other ground based observations on a continuous manner?" }, { "end_time": "1:15:50", "start_time": "1:15:48", "text": "Because these are not easy to detect." }, { "end_time": "1:15:51", "start_time": "1:15:50", "text": "They come from anywhere direction." }, { "end_time": "1:15:56", "start_time": "1:15:51", "text": "We are not scanning and they are, you know, globe around to find out." }, { "end_time": "1:16:00", "start_time": "1:15:56", "text": "So if you are not able to predict them, then possibly suddenly they will appear." }, { "end_time": "1:16:02", "start_time": "1:16:00", "text": "In next 10 years, they are going to hit." }, { "end_time": "1:16:03", "start_time": "1:16:02", "text": "What will you do?" }, { "end_time": "1:16:05", "start_time": "1:16:03", "text": "So this is the first thing." }, { "end_time": "1:16:06", "start_time": "1:16:05", "text": "Then it's prediction trajectory." }, { "end_time": "1:16:09", "start_time": "1:16:07", "text": "By locating it, you don't know that which direction it is moving." }, { "end_time": "1:16:11", "start_time": "1:16:09", "text": "Then you have complex mathematics." }, { "end_time": "1:16:13", "start_time": "1:16:11", "text": "The solar system is moving." }, { "end_time": "1:16:13", "start_time": "1:16:13", "text": "The earth is moving." }, { "end_time": "1:16:15", "start_time": "1:16:13", "text": "Sunday is moving, and this is also moving." }, { "end_time": "1:16:21", "start_time": "1:16:15", "text": "So whether when when it passes Earth and these are going to come closer to each other, this has to be exactly predicted." }, { "end_time": "1:16:28", "start_time": "1:16:21", "text": "If they are few millions of kilometers away, they will never come come in contact even if it passes in the path of Earth." }, { "end_time": "1:16:30", "start_time": "1:16:28", "text": "So this is the next part of it." }, { "end_time": "1:16:35", "start_time": "1:16:30", "text": "3rd is if it is actually going to collide and if you know at least some 10 years ahead." }, { "end_time": "1:16:46", "start_time": "1:16:36", "text": "10 years ahead, you have to understand that in 10 years, earth moves around sun 10 times and it has to come and meet, and you are able to predict that it is going to hit, then you can take some action." }, { "end_time": "1:16:48", "start_time": "1:16:46", "text": "What are the actions today?" }, { "end_time": "1:16:50", "start_time": "1:16:48", "text": "You can actually deflect it." }, { "end_time": "1:16:51", "start_time": "1:16:50", "text": "You can explode it." }, { "end_time": "1:16:59", "start_time": "1:16:51", "text": "You can polarize it using nuclear bombs, or you can send a rocket up there, give a little bit of velocity so that it changes its path." }, { "end_time": "1:17:04", "start_time": "1:17:00", "text": "So if you give a small velocity there, it will go in 1,000,000 of kilometers." }, { "end_time": "1:17:07", "start_time": "1:17:04", "text": "It will expand in such a manner it'll never ever come near to the earth." }, { "end_time": "1:17:15", "start_time": "1:17:07", "text": "But sometimes if you go wrong in calculation, you are probably putting rocket up there will actually bring it closer to earth if your calculation goes wrong." }, { "end_time": "1:17:17", "start_time": "1:17:15", "text": "So this have to be very carefully done." }, { "end_time": "1:17:23", "start_time": "1:17:17", "text": "It it seems to me like the practical solution in this case would probably be nuking it." }, { "end_time": "1:17:23", "start_time": "1:17:23", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:17:24", "start_time": "1:17:24", "text": "No?" }, { "end_time": "1:17:29", "start_time": "1:17:24", "text": "The the practical solution is to deflect it because it is moving a tremendous velocity." }, { "end_time": "1:17:36", "start_time": "1:17:29", "text": "And if you give a very small velocity at some point, it will it will go millions of kilometers away from earth." }, { "end_time": "1:17:43", "start_time": "1:17:36", "text": "So that is the least energy, because if you give an explosion, for example, nuclear explosion, still some parts will come and hit earth." }, { "end_time": "1:17:44", "start_time": "1:17:43", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:17:45", "start_time": "1:17:44", "text": "There will be still small parts." }, { "end_time": "1:17:50", "start_time": "1:17:45", "text": "Sometimes the explosion may not be good enough to pulverize it into small pipe, and some big boulders may remain." }, { "end_time": "1:17:54", "start_time": "1:17:50", "text": "So you explode, a 1 kilometer size asteroid." }, { "end_time": "1:17:57", "start_time": "1:17:54", "text": "It cuts into 2 parts, how 2 half a kilometer." }, { "end_time": "1:17:58", "start_time": "1:17:57", "text": "What do they use?" }, { "end_time": "1:18:00", "start_time": "1:17:59", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "1:18:01", "start_time": "1:18:00", "text": "Still, it is dangerous." }, { "end_time": "1:18:05", "start_time": "1:18:01", "text": "Even if it cuts into 2 250 2 50 meter size, even then it is dangerous." }, { "end_time": "1:18:08", "start_time": "1:18:05", "text": "So there is no point in cutting down to pieces." }, { "end_time": "1:18:11", "start_time": "1:18:09", "text": "It is better to deflect without causing much damage." }, { "end_time": "1:18:13", "start_time": "1:18:11", "text": "How can you one pulverize it?" }, { "end_time": "1:18:14", "start_time": "1:18:13", "text": "You can't do that." }, { "end_time": "1:18:18", "start_time": "1:18:14", "text": "If you are to do that, you are to drill into it, go to the core, and explore it anew." }, { "end_time": "1:18:21", "start_time": "1:18:19", "text": "So you should go see the movie that showed that." }, { "end_time": "1:18:22", "start_time": "1:18:21", "text": "No?" }, { "end_time": "1:18:23", "start_time": "1:18:22", "text": "Armageddon." }, { "end_time": "1:18:23", "start_time": "1:18:23", "text": "Armageddon." }, { "end_time": "1:18:24", "start_time": "1:18:23", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:18:31", "start_time": "1:18:24", "text": "In that movie, there were they were taking drilling machine going to so such things you should do, but that's not a practically feasible solution." }, { "end_time": "1:18:34", "start_time": "1:18:31", "text": "What about these two points as 2029 and 2038?" }, { "end_time": "1:18:35", "start_time": "1:18:34", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:18:40", "start_time": "1:18:35", "text": "They are estimated to be going past Earth, not very not going to impact Earth." }, { "end_time": "1:18:42", "start_time": "1:18:40", "text": "They are far away still." }, { "end_time": "1:18:50", "start_time": "1:18:42", "text": "But then if your calculation is not correct, if there is a possibility of small error in it, computer truncation error is good enough, it can come and hit you." }, { "end_time": "1:18:54", "start_time": "1:18:50", "text": "So you should continuously watch from now on because it has a potential to threaten." }, { "end_time": "1:19:00", "start_time": "1:18:54", "text": "And you the whole discussion is go and study them because asteroids come very close to Earth." }, { "end_time": "1:19:06", "start_time": "1:19:00", "text": "You send a satellite up there, go observation, collect some samples, bring back to Earth, and study the origin of material." }, { "end_time": "1:19:07", "start_time": "1:19:06", "text": "So this is what is going on now." }, { "end_time": "1:19:09", "start_time": "1:19:07", "text": "Not as a threat to Earth." }, { "end_time": "1:19:11", "start_time": "1:19:10", "text": "Asteroid mining." }, { "end_time": "1:19:12", "start_time": "1:19:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:19:14", "start_time": "1:19:12", "text": "This is another common Internet topic." }, { "end_time": "1:19:15", "start_time": "1:19:14", "text": "It is like moon mining." }, { "end_time": "1:19:16", "start_time": "1:19:15", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:19:18", "start_time": "1:19:16", "text": "That there isn't that much information about it right now." }, { "end_time": "1:19:25", "start_time": "1:19:18", "text": "Everybody speak about it because they think that asteroids are made of gold, platinum, and a high value minerals and emeralds." }, { "end_time": "1:19:26", "start_time": "1:19:25", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:19:26", "start_time": "1:19:26", "text": "Possible." }, { "end_time": "1:19:29", "start_time": "1:19:27", "text": "But how to bring it to earth?" }, { "end_time": "1:19:33", "start_time": "1:19:30", "text": "The complexity of bringing it to earth makes it extremely costly." }, { "end_time": "1:19:38", "start_time": "1:19:33", "text": "But I'm sure then there will be a technology development over a period of time, which will be much more cost effective." }, { "end_time": "1:19:42", "start_time": "1:19:38", "text": "But the challenge is still, there is that it is moving at tremendously higher speed." }, { "end_time": "1:19:44", "start_time": "1:19:43", "text": "Energy processed by it's very high." }, { "end_time": "1:19:47", "start_time": "1:19:44", "text": "You have to slow down to bring it to earth." }, { "end_time": "1:19:50", "start_time": "1:19:47", "text": "That's still a technical technical infeasibility." }, { "end_time": "1:19:53", "start_time": "1:19:50", "text": "And then if you do it, you make the money which is already present on earth." }, { "end_time": "1:19:56", "start_time": "1:19:53", "text": "See, anything which is in surplus will have no value." }, { "end_time": "1:19:57", "start_time": "1:19:56", "text": "You look at gold." }, { "end_time": "1:20:01", "start_time": "1:19:57", "text": "Suppose it was available like, steel, will it value this much?" }, { "end_time": "1:20:03", "start_time": "1:20:01", "text": "You will be making your grills out of gold only." }, { "end_time": "1:20:03", "start_time": "1:20:03", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:20:05", "start_time": "1:20:03", "text": "If it was that much plenty available." }, { "end_time": "1:20:07", "start_time": "1:20:05", "text": "The rarity makes it precious." }, { "end_time": "1:20:07", "start_time": "1:20:07", "text": "No?" }, { "end_time": "1:20:08", "start_time": "1:20:07", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:20:10", "start_time": "1:20:08", "text": "So let it be let it remain rare." }, { "end_time": "1:20:17", "start_time": "1:20:12", "text": "Again, you know what I'm visualizing after a lot of the sections we've covered on this episode Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:20:19", "start_time": "1:20:17", "text": "Is the role of AI and robotics." }, { "end_time": "1:20:26", "start_time": "1:20:20", "text": "Because I've had conversations with, technologists on the show who say that, yes, we're talking about how AI is growing." }, { "end_time": "1:20:26", "start_time": "1:20:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:20:31", "start_time": "1:20:26", "text": "I'd also love to know if you use chat, GPT, or any of these platforms for any of your work." }, { "end_time": "1:20:33", "start_time": "1:20:31", "text": "That's one part of my question." }, { "end_time": "1:20:36", "start_time": "1:20:33", "text": "But, AI is also progressing, becoming better." }, { "end_time": "1:20:36", "start_time": "1:20:36", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:20:39", "start_time": "1:20:36", "text": "It might reach a point of artificial general intelligence Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:20:41", "start_time": "1:20:39", "text": "Where it becomes even more capable." }, { "end_time": "1:20:48", "start_time": "1:20:41", "text": "Then there's conjecture about how AGI could possibly help the world of science for humankind." }, { "end_time": "1:20:56", "start_time": "1:20:49", "text": "Like it could help us progress science much faster by getting us faster solutions, by being sort of an assistant to scientists." }, { "end_time": "1:21:01", "start_time": "1:20:57", "text": "And then parallelly, robotics is also developing very strongly as a field." }, { "end_time": "1:21:12", "start_time": "1:21:01", "text": "So when AGI combines with robotics, I mean, for lack of a better reference point, I want to make people think about science fiction movies with robots." }, { "end_time": "1:21:17", "start_time": "1:21:12", "text": "Not the negative ones, but the ones where they've shown a positive future for humankind." }, { "end_time": "1:21:19", "start_time": "1:21:17", "text": "This is called Cyberpunk versus Solarpunk." }, { "end_time": "1:21:23", "start_time": "1:21:19", "text": "Cyberpunk is a world where you show a dark future, like Black Mirror, the show." }, { "end_time": "1:21:26", "start_time": "1:21:23", "text": "And Solarpunk is where you show a bright future." }, { "end_time": "1:21:38", "start_time": "1:21:26", "text": "So I think if you approach, technology from a Solarpunk perspective and we're able to use robots combined with AGI, a lot of our problems about space exploration might be solved." }, { "end_time": "1:21:42", "start_time": "1:21:39", "text": "I think You said it now many a times I also think about it." }, { "end_time": "1:21:46", "start_time": "1:21:42", "text": "For example, if you want to go to climb Everest, why go to space?" }, { "end_time": "1:21:49", "start_time": "1:21:46", "text": "If you want to climb Everest, it's not possible for, any of us that easily." }, { "end_time": "1:21:50", "start_time": "1:21:49", "text": "No?" }, { "end_time": "1:21:53", "start_time": "1:21:50", "text": "But if you want to really experience it, what will you do?" }, { "end_time": "1:21:56", "start_time": "1:21:53", "text": "I I am thinking that I will send a robot up there." }, { "end_time": "1:22:00", "start_time": "1:21:57", "text": "And the what the robot experience, I will experience." }, { "end_time": "1:22:04", "start_time": "1:22:00", "text": "And that is possible tomorrow with the all this advent of technology." }, { "end_time": "1:22:14", "start_time": "1:22:04", "text": "If the sensory perception of a robot like the vision, the smell, the touch, and the feel, and the temperature, and the wind down flowing on your face." }, { "end_time": "1:22:23", "start_time": "1:22:14", "text": "If if a robot is feeling and if I can get the feel into my mind, then I'm experiencing sitting comfort of my room, I can climb the Everest." }, { "end_time": "1:22:24", "start_time": "1:22:23", "text": "I can go to moon." }, { "end_time": "1:22:25", "start_time": "1:22:24", "text": "I can go to Mars." }, { "end_time": "1:22:30", "start_time": "1:22:26", "text": "So the progress of technology will enable you to experientially know things." }, { "end_time": "1:22:32", "start_time": "1:22:30", "text": "You don't have to be physically available." }, { "end_time": "1:22:41", "start_time": "1:22:33", "text": "So this is possible by integrating sensor pre perception through robots into your neurological system, through brain." }, { "end_time": "1:22:43", "start_time": "1:22:41", "text": "I think these are happening now." }, { "end_time": "1:22:47", "start_time": "1:22:43", "text": "So this is one change of technology progress I believe it is going to happen." }, { "end_time": "1:22:53", "start_time": "1:22:47", "text": "And possible explorations of other planets will be robotic in nature, and human never will never need to go." }, { "end_time": "1:22:56", "start_time": "1:22:53", "text": "Then we'll be able to answer questions about mining." }, { "end_time": "1:22:56", "start_time": "1:22:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:22:59", "start_time": "1:22:56", "text": "All that we'll be able to answer because the risks will be much, much lower." }, { "end_time": "1:23:07", "start_time": "1:23:00", "text": "The sending human beings are extremely costly, extremely risky, and the issues of, the danger, accidents, all of us come." }, { "end_time": "1:23:13", "start_time": "1:23:07", "text": "But then if you can know experientially without going actually going there, the the whole idea will be different." }, { "end_time": "1:23:20", "start_time": "1:23:13", "text": "In one of your interviews, I think you'd mentioned that sending humans out for missions is much more beneficial than sending a rover." }, { "end_time": "1:23:21", "start_time": "1:23:21", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:23:22", "start_time": "1:23:21", "text": "No doubt about it." }, { "end_time": "1:23:26", "start_time": "1:23:22", "text": "But at up to a time when robots are inferior to humans." }, { "end_time": "1:23:26", "start_time": "1:23:26", "text": "Gotcha." }, { "end_time": "1:23:30", "start_time": "1:23:26", "text": "But there is a point then robots will become superior to human." }, { "end_time": "1:23:32", "start_time": "1:23:30", "text": "So you I am not telling the robots will be tomorrow's." }, { "end_time": "1:23:34", "start_time": "1:23:32", "text": "Robots will be incapable as a human." }, { "end_time": "1:23:34", "start_time": "1:23:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:23:36", "start_time": "1:23:34", "text": "It will have the intelligence." }, { "end_time": "1:23:38", "start_time": "1:23:36", "text": "It will have the perception, the feel, the behavior." }, { "end_time": "1:23:42", "start_time": "1:23:39", "text": "You won't be able to distinguish from a robot and a human." }, { "end_time": "1:23:43", "start_time": "1:23:42", "text": "There will be time that will come." }, { "end_time": "1:23:44", "start_time": "1:23:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:23:48", "start_time": "1:23:44", "text": "Based on all the scientists I've spoken to and all the entrepreneurs I've spoken to Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:23:54", "start_time": "1:23:48", "text": "Who are studying the field of AGI and robotics, I think this is the 20 forties Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:23:55", "start_time": "1:23:54", "text": "According to me." }, { "end_time": "1:23:56", "start_time": "1:23:55", "text": "Would you agree?" }, { "end_time": "1:23:56", "start_time": "1:23:56", "text": "I agree." }, { "end_time": "1:23:59", "start_time": "1:23:56", "text": "That in the 20 forties, we could easily be sending robots." }, { "end_time": "1:24:00", "start_time": "1:23:59", "text": "No doubt about it." }, { "end_time": "1:24:05", "start_time": "1:24:01", "text": "And robots are doing much better functional capability than a human being." }, { "end_time": "1:24:05", "start_time": "1:24:05", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:24:14", "start_time": "1:24:05", "text": "Only thing is that it may not have the you you talk about the, you know, making distinction between various emotional aspect of that the human beings are capable of." }, { "end_time": "1:24:18", "start_time": "1:24:14", "text": "It may not ever happen, and it will never have the intelligence of a human being." }, { "end_time": "1:24:19", "start_time": "1:24:18", "text": "It will never have." }, { "end_time": "1:24:22", "start_time": "1:24:19", "text": "But we'll have capabilities far superior to human beings." }, { "end_time": "1:24:29", "start_time": "1:24:22", "text": "The dexterity, the ability to do things, at situations, all these capabilities will be much more superior." }, { "end_time": "1:24:37", "start_time": "1:24:29", "text": "Even for a operating robo, you know, robots are much more capable than human being to connect dissection, cutting, doing threading, and everything." }, { "end_time": "1:24:39", "start_time": "1:24:37", "text": "It can do it much better than human being." }, { "end_time": "1:24:43", "start_time": "1:24:39", "text": "So they are already becoming better, but it may not replace human beings." }, { "end_time": "1:24:48", "start_time": "1:24:43", "text": "The human beings have to be in the back, back end to do what the work by the robot." }, { "end_time": "1:24:49", "start_time": "1:24:48", "text": "Controlling it from Earth." }, { "end_time": "1:24:50", "start_time": "1:24:49", "text": "Controlling it." }, { "end_time": "1:24:50", "start_time": "1:24:50", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:24:52", "start_time": "1:24:50", "text": "Are we able to send signals that far?" }, { "end_time": "1:24:55", "start_time": "1:24:53", "text": "Signals will always travel at electromagnetic speeds." }, { "end_time": "1:24:57", "start_time": "1:24:56", "text": "So that distance doesn't matter." }, { "end_time": "1:25:04", "start_time": "1:24:58", "text": "Now as I mentioned about light travels forever, every signal also will travel forever, but it'll expand in the as a sphere." }, { "end_time": "1:25:05", "start_time": "1:25:04", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:25:06", "start_time": "1:25:05", "text": "It is like the source of light will expand." }, { "end_time": "1:25:09", "start_time": "1:25:06", "text": "Like, the sphere, its intensity will come down, but it'll travel forever." }, { "end_time": "1:25:13", "start_time": "1:25:10", "text": "I saw a YouTube video some time ago." }, { "end_time": "1:25:15", "start_time": "1:25:13", "text": "It was about the size of the known universe." }, { "end_time": "1:25:15", "start_time": "1:25:15", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:25:19", "start_time": "1:25:15", "text": "And they show this massive circle to represent the whole size of the universe." }, { "end_time": "1:25:19", "start_time": "1:25:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:25:27", "start_time": "1:25:19", "text": "But then they also show a small globe on that, and they say that this is where the furthest electromagnetic signal from Earth has possibly reached to a distance." }, { "end_time": "1:25:27", "start_time": "1:25:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:25:31", "start_time": "1:25:28", "text": "And that's maybe not even, like, 2% of the Whole universe." }, { "end_time": "1:25:31", "start_time": "1:25:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:25:31", "start_time": "1:25:31", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:25:32", "start_time": "1:25:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:25:33", "start_time": "1:25:32", "text": "I mean, I might be getting the numbers wrong." }, { "end_time": "1:25:37", "start_time": "1:25:33", "text": "True because the unit the whole universe was created 13,800,000,000 back." }, { "end_time": "1:25:39", "start_time": "1:25:37", "text": "The Earth came only a few 1000000000 years back." }, { "end_time": "1:25:39", "start_time": "1:25:39", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:25:41", "start_time": "1:25:39", "text": "So you can count only from that point." }, { "end_time": "1:25:42", "start_time": "1:25:41", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:25:46", "start_time": "1:25:43", "text": "Robots, asteroid." }, { "end_time": "1:25:50", "start_time": "1:25:49", "text": "AI." }, { "end_time": "1:25:50", "start_time": "1:25:50", "text": "AI." }, { "end_time": "1:25:51", "start_time": "1:25:50", "text": "We were talking about AI quite a bit." }, { "end_time": "1:25:52", "start_time": "1:25:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:25:53", "start_time": "1:25:52", "text": "I think we didn't speak much about it." }, { "end_time": "1:25:55", "start_time": "1:25:53", "text": "How is ISRO using AI today?" }, { "end_time": "1:25:56", "start_time": "1:25:56", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:25:58", "start_time": "1:25:56", "text": "AI has come into every every part of life." }, { "end_time": "1:26:06", "start_time": "1:25:58", "text": "Now it's AI is then your mobile phones, object identifications, speech synthesis, with huge data handling." }, { "end_time": "1:26:08", "start_time": "1:26:06", "text": "I think all of these are AI, really." }, { "end_time": "1:26:11", "start_time": "1:26:08", "text": "So in ISRO, we are working on AI within very many areas." }, { "end_time": "1:26:14", "start_time": "1:26:11", "text": "For example, one of the very evident areas is image processing." }, { "end_time": "1:26:16", "start_time": "1:26:14", "text": "Satellites take images." }, { "end_time": "1:26:21", "start_time": "1:26:16", "text": "Our earth observation satellite take continuously images are taken, and images are sent back to Earth." }, { "end_time": "1:26:25", "start_time": "1:26:21", "text": "And on ground that the computers analyze and then convert it into useful products." }, { "end_time": "1:26:29", "start_time": "1:26:25", "text": "But if AI can be applied on these images, we can do many more things." }, { "end_time": "1:26:38", "start_time": "1:26:29", "text": "For example, if you take an image, you will find, it will contain trees, contain roads, people, or cars, so many objects." }, { "end_time": "1:26:43", "start_time": "1:26:38", "text": "And if this can be identified by the computer, by itself, and say this is a car." }, { "end_time": "1:26:46", "start_time": "1:26:43", "text": "And, this is called object identification." }, { "end_time": "1:26:49", "start_time": "1:26:46", "text": "This is one of the easiest way that, AI can work on an image." }, { "end_time": "1:26:55", "start_time": "1:26:50", "text": "And if you are suppose you are doing a satellite for espionage, for example." }, { "end_time": "1:26:58", "start_time": "1:26:55", "text": "You want to do a surveillance and you want to look at only a troop movement." }, { "end_time": "1:26:59", "start_time": "1:26:58", "text": "Nothing else you are interested." }, { "end_time": "1:27:02", "start_time": "1:26:59", "text": "You are not interested in the terrain or anything." }, { "end_time": "1:27:03", "start_time": "1:27:02", "text": "You are interested in troop movement." }, { "end_time": "1:27:07", "start_time": "1:27:03", "text": "And the satellite will be equipped by an engine to look at only for troops." }, { "end_time": "1:27:08", "start_time": "1:27:07", "text": "It can identify human." }, { "end_time": "1:27:09", "start_time": "1:27:08", "text": "It can identify tanks." }, { "end_time": "1:27:18", "start_time": "1:27:09", "text": "It can identify vessels or any ships or aircrafts, and then give a warning to the downline without even image downloading." }, { "end_time": "1:27:24", "start_time": "1:27:18", "text": "Then it'll improve the throughput, and it can continuously do this with the assume there are 100 or so such satellites." }, { "end_time": "1:27:26", "start_time": "1:27:24", "text": "Then entire area can be survived." }, { "end_time": "1:27:31", "start_time": "1:27:26", "text": "Every person's movement can be tagged, and you can look for it what is happening." }, { "end_time": "1:27:32", "start_time": "1:27:31", "text": "You can do for animals." }, { "end_time": "1:27:35", "start_time": "1:27:32", "text": "You can do for your fright movement." }, { "end_time": "1:27:37", "start_time": "1:27:36", "text": "You can look at for agriculture." }, { "end_time": "1:27:40", "start_time": "1:27:38", "text": "You can look at for you can use it for health care." }, { "end_time": "1:27:44", "start_time": "1:27:40", "text": "So this is one of the use that we are trying to use, how AI can be used." }, { "end_time": "1:27:51", "start_time": "1:27:44", "text": "We use it on, rockets for an analyzing its data onboard and decide whether the rocket is performing very well." }, { "end_time": "1:27:54", "start_time": "1:27:51", "text": "Use AI engine to check whether everything is working well." }, { "end_time": "1:28:06", "start_time": "1:27:54", "text": "If there is some fault seen, how to correct it, switch over to something else, or destroy the rocket in case it is, you know, not worth to continue, or abort the mission when crew is traveling so the crew can be saved." }, { "end_time": "1:28:07", "start_time": "1:28:06", "text": "So this is another area." }, { "end_time": "1:28:09", "start_time": "1:28:07", "text": "Have you developed your own AI?" }, { "end_time": "1:28:10", "start_time": "1:28:09", "text": "We are all developing our own." }, { "end_time": "1:28:10", "start_time": "1:28:10", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "1:28:14", "start_time": "1:28:10", "text": "We have many teams working across this row developing all this." }, { "end_time": "1:28:14", "start_time": "1:28:14", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "1:28:17", "start_time": "1:28:14", "text": "One of the capable hardware is going to fly soon." }, { "end_time": "1:28:21", "start_time": "1:28:18", "text": "And, such, what I mentioned is already going to be launched." }, { "end_time": "1:28:22", "start_time": "1:28:21", "text": "We are developed in ground already." }, { "end_time": "1:28:25", "start_time": "1:28:23", "text": "AI is used in, nondestructive evaluation." }, { "end_time": "1:28:28", "start_time": "1:28:26", "text": "You know, nondestructive evaluation is X-ray." }, { "end_time": "1:28:29", "start_time": "1:28:28", "text": "You know your chest X-ray?" }, { "end_time": "1:28:29", "start_time": "1:28:29", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:28:30", "start_time": "1:28:29", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:28:33", "start_time": "1:28:30", "text": "Your chest X-ray, what the doctors after chest X-ray, you look at it." }, { "end_time": "1:28:35", "start_time": "1:28:33", "text": "Oh, your chest has this problem, that problem." }, { "end_time": "1:28:36", "start_time": "1:28:35", "text": "You have type 2 b." }, { "end_time": "1:28:37", "start_time": "1:28:36", "text": "Can you detect it?" }, { "end_time": "1:28:40", "start_time": "1:28:38", "text": "Similarly, we take X rays of rockets." }, { "end_time": "1:28:45", "start_time": "1:28:40", "text": "Hundreds and hundreds of X rays are taken for every rocket for various hardwares." }, { "end_time": "1:28:50", "start_time": "1:28:45", "text": "And this X rays look for defects in hardware, materials, manufacturing, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "1:28:54", "start_time": "1:28:50", "text": "And we look at it and screen and and this this are screened through the skill of the people." }, { "end_time": "1:29:02", "start_time": "1:28:55", "text": "But if a AI engine if you feed this X rays into an AI engine, it will analyze and tell you in no time there are defects or no defects." }, { "end_time": "1:29:04", "start_time": "1:29:03", "text": "So this is another technique." }, { "end_time": "1:29:11", "start_time": "1:29:04", "text": "Recently, I came to know that, if you supply your chest X-ray, your TB, whether it is there or not, can be detected." }, { "end_time": "1:29:13", "start_time": "1:29:11", "text": "Then a tool will tell you whether you have TB." }, { "end_time": "1:29:14", "start_time": "1:29:13", "text": "It's not an easy thing." }, { "end_time": "1:29:20", "start_time": "1:29:15", "text": "By comparing lakhs of results of patients, this AI tool has been developed." }, { "end_time": "1:29:22", "start_time": "1:29:20", "text": "So such a beautiful thing." }, { "end_time": "1:29:30", "start_time": "1:29:22", "text": "You know, I think you mentioned it in this conversation itself that in the last 100 years, technology has just exploded in terms of progress." }, { "end_time": "1:29:30", "start_time": "1:29:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:29:33", "start_time": "1:29:30", "text": "So it's I'm very curious to see what happens over the next 100 years." }, { "end_time": "1:29:42", "start_time": "1:29:33", "text": "Whenever we speak to a military person or a geopolitical observer, they always mention space warfare nowadays." }, { "end_time": "1:29:48", "start_time": "1:29:42", "text": "Apparently, there are reports that Russia is building some kind of nuclear missile, which is capable of taking out satellites." }, { "end_time": "1:29:55", "start_time": "1:29:49", "text": "And when it comes to the military, the one thing I've learned is that wars are won or lost based on logistical capabilities." }, { "end_time": "1:29:59", "start_time": "1:29:56", "text": "Now that got me thinking about the modern day and modern day warfare." }, { "end_time": "1:30:05", "start_time": "1:30:00", "text": "The only way we can understand modern day warfare is by seeing what's happening in our earth right now itself." }, { "end_time": "1:30:06", "start_time": "1:30:05", "text": "There's been an element of cyber." }, { "end_time": "1:30:09", "start_time": "1:30:06", "text": "There's been an element of drone warfare already." }, { "end_time": "1:30:16", "start_time": "1:30:09", "text": "That really got me thinking about the role of satellites with respect to drones, with respect to cyber warfare." }, { "end_time": "1:30:20", "start_time": "1:30:17", "text": "Satellites are probably a very, very key part of wars nowadays." }, { "end_time": "1:30:22", "start_time": "1:30:20", "text": "They're part of peacekeeping nowadays." }, { "end_time": "1:30:26", "start_time": "1:30:25", "text": "Not wars." }, { "end_time": "1:30:29", "start_time": "1:30:26", "text": "They are not meant to create wars, but to prevent wars." }, { "end_time": "1:30:30", "start_time": "1:30:29", "text": "I will say like that." }, { "end_time": "1:30:34", "start_time": "1:30:30", "text": "Because the awareness of the situation is very important." }, { "end_time": "1:30:44", "start_time": "1:30:35", "text": "Once you know that you are being observed, you are being tracked, you are being, you know, looked at, the adversaries will have hesitation to cause troubles for you." }, { "end_time": "1:30:45", "start_time": "1:30:44", "text": "So satellites can do many things." }, { "end_time": "1:30:47", "start_time": "1:30:45", "text": "It can observe situation, as I mentioned." }, { "end_time": "1:30:48", "start_time": "1:30:47", "text": "It can track the borders." }, { "end_time": "1:30:52", "start_time": "1:30:49", "text": "It can look at the troop moments and give a communication." }, { "end_time": "1:30:54", "start_time": "1:30:53", "text": "It can help weapon delivery." }, { "end_time": "1:31:02", "start_time": "1:30:55", "text": "So once you have a strength of having satellites to support all of this, then you have the natural strength to prevent any adversaries to take advantage." }, { "end_time": "1:31:05", "start_time": "1:31:03", "text": "So that's a that's a positive part of it." }, { "end_time": "1:31:23", "start_time": "1:31:06", "text": "The little tiny part of me that feels like ISRO has some very, very important projects that are kept secret away from the public eye for good reason, which are possibly even bigger than what is revealed publicly like the Chandrayaan 3, but this is for the sake of our great nation security." }, { "end_time": "1:31:24", "start_time": "1:31:24", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:31:27", "start_time": "1:31:24", "text": "So I think you should believe that and continue." }, { "end_time": "1:31:32", "start_time": "1:31:32", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "1:31:35", "start_time": "1:31:33", "text": "Have you ever interacted with the Chinese Space Agency?" }, { "end_time": "1:31:36", "start_time": "1:31:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:31:36", "start_time": "1:31:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:31:37", "start_time": "1:31:36", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "1:31:48", "start_time": "1:31:37", "text": "So we meet, generally, we there are international agencies where we meet, like International Astronautical Federation where the scientific people from China and other nations also come and meet." }, { "end_time": "1:31:52", "start_time": "1:31:49", "text": "Do they share any data information?" }, { "end_time": "1:31:54", "start_time": "1:31:52", "text": "Nobody shares any data with others." }, { "end_time": "1:31:54", "start_time": "1:31:54", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:31:54", "start_time": "1:31:54", "text": "It's not." }, { "end_time": "1:31:57", "start_time": "1:31:54", "text": "Unless it is for certain specific domains." }, { "end_time": "1:32:00", "start_time": "1:31:57", "text": "For example, we share earth observation data even with Chinese." }, { "end_time": "1:32:02", "start_time": "1:32:01", "text": "Chinese share their data with us." }, { "end_time": "1:32:10", "start_time": "1:32:02", "text": "So we have a BRICS consortium where, we put our satellites data into one common platform, and all BRICS nations share each other." }, { "end_time": "1:32:13", "start_time": "1:32:10", "text": "So there are such mechanisms in place." }, { "end_time": "1:32:17", "start_time": "1:32:13", "text": "But in terms of technology, what are developed there, there nobody will share." }, { "end_time": "1:32:17", "start_time": "1:32:17", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "1:32:19", "start_time": "1:32:18", "text": "I have a dear friend." }, { "end_time": "1:32:20", "start_time": "1:32:19", "text": "His name is Balaji Srinivasan." }, { "end_time": "1:32:26", "start_time": "1:32:20", "text": "He is one of the leaders of tech in, he's from Silicon Valley originally, but now tech is also global." }, { "end_time": "1:32:26", "start_time": "1:32:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:32:32", "start_time": "1:32:26", "text": "So he showed me a video of our first flying cars that have actually been developed in China." }, { "end_time": "1:32:32", "start_time": "1:32:32", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:32:33", "start_time": "1:32:32", "text": "It's basically big drones." }, { "end_time": "1:32:34", "start_time": "1:32:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:32:35", "start_time": "1:32:34", "text": "They are nothing but drones." }, { "end_time": "1:32:35", "start_time": "1:32:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:32:37", "start_time": "1:32:35", "text": "Like, they've taken drone technology and just made it big." }, { "end_time": "1:32:39", "start_time": "1:32:37", "text": "But flying cars have finally become a reality." }, { "end_time": "1:32:40", "start_time": "1:32:40", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:32:42", "start_time": "1:32:40", "text": "We we grew up dreaming of that reality." }, { "end_time": "1:32:44", "start_time": "1:32:42", "text": "There used to be a cartoon called the Jetsons Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:32:45", "start_time": "1:32:44", "text": "Way back." }, { "end_time": "1:32:46", "start_time": "1:32:45", "text": "I don't know if you remember this." }, { "end_time": "1:32:47", "start_time": "1:32:46", "text": "When fly?" }, { "end_time": "1:32:48", "start_time": "1:32:47", "text": "Aircrafts are flying." }, { "end_time": "1:32:49", "start_time": "1:32:48", "text": "Why why cars cannot fly?" }, { "end_time": "1:32:50", "start_time": "1:32:49", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "1:32:52", "start_time": "1:32:50", "text": "I mean, that was the question we all had as kids." }, { "end_time": "1:32:52", "start_time": "1:32:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:33:02", "start_time": "1:32:52", "text": "But I guess this drone technology being developed now in the 20 twenties has led to the first actual flying car, which is capable of carrying human beings around." }, { "end_time": "1:33:04", "start_time": "1:33:02", "text": "I also believe it is automated, if I'm not mistaken." }, { "end_time": "1:33:05", "start_time": "1:33:05", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:33:06", "start_time": "1:33:05", "text": "They are automated." }, { "end_time": "1:33:07", "start_time": "1:33:06", "text": "Manual both are there." }, { "end_time": "1:33:08", "start_time": "1:33:07", "text": "Piloted are also there." }, { "end_time": "1:33:09", "start_time": "1:33:08", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "1:33:10", "start_time": "1:33:09", "text": "They're not in the form of cars." }, { "end_time": "1:33:13", "start_time": "1:33:10", "text": "They're mostly in the form of drones with the 1 or 2 seater, multi seater." }, { "end_time": "1:33:15", "start_time": "1:33:13", "text": "Does it still develop drone technology as well?" }, { "end_time": "1:33:19", "start_time": "1:33:15", "text": "We don't work on drones, but we make use of drones for many things." }, { "end_time": "1:33:25", "start_time": "1:33:19", "text": "But, drone based, such scooters or rather mobilities are developed in IOTs." }, { "end_time": "1:33:27", "start_time": "1:33:25", "text": "There are startups who are working on it." }, { "end_time": "1:33:27", "start_time": "1:33:27", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "1:33:30", "start_time": "1:33:27", "text": "Are you actively working with a lot of space tech startups?" }, { "end_time": "1:33:30", "start_time": "1:33:30", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:33:30", "start_time": "1:33:30", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:33:31", "start_time": "1:33:30", "text": "A lot of them." }, { "end_time": "1:33:31", "start_time": "1:33:31", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:33:32", "start_time": "1:33:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:33:43", "start_time": "1:33:32", "text": "You're happy with what's happening in the Indian Extremely happy because in the last few years, we could have seen almost 200 plus startups have come up in space sector, which was only 1 maybe in the 10 years back." }, { "end_time": "1:33:45", "start_time": "1:33:43", "text": "Can you name some key ones that everyone should name?" }, { "end_time": "1:33:46", "start_time": "1:33:45", "text": "Many I can name." }, { "end_time": "1:33:48", "start_time": "1:33:46", "text": "Suppose you look at rocket building startups." }, { "end_time": "1:33:52", "start_time": "1:33:49", "text": "The the one which, comes to mind is Skyroot and Agnigul." }, { "end_time": "1:33:58", "start_time": "1:33:53", "text": "Both are really doing well, and both of them have done their first step launches from Saudi Star and Space Center." }, { "end_time": "1:34:00", "start_time": "1:33:58", "text": "Both are developing small satellite launch vehicles." }, { "end_time": "1:34:05", "start_time": "1:34:01", "text": "And all expecting in a year or so, they will be ready for their launch." }, { "end_time": "1:34:12", "start_time": "1:34:06", "text": "There are there is another company called Etherex Space, who is developing a reusable, rocket." }, { "end_time": "1:34:17", "start_time": "1:34:14", "text": "Then, on the sat satellite side, there are many." }, { "end_time": "1:34:18", "start_time": "1:34:17", "text": "Pixel is 1." }, { "end_time": "1:34:21", "start_time": "1:34:19", "text": "Then, Dhruva, Space." }, { "end_time": "1:34:32", "start_time": "1:34:21", "text": "Then application side, there are, like, Satchua, Vasundhara, then Map My India Map My India and many others who have developed and made use of the satellite data." }, { "end_time": "1:34:35", "start_time": "1:34:32", "text": "Why is the growth of this ecosystem important for ISRO?" }, { "end_time": "1:34:37", "start_time": "1:34:36", "text": "It is important for the nation." }, { "end_time": "1:34:39", "start_time": "1:34:37", "text": "Why I say for ISRO?" }, { "end_time": "1:34:45", "start_time": "1:34:39", "text": "Because the space is such that it has a great economic potential, which we are not explored till now." }, { "end_time": "1:34:50", "start_time": "1:34:45", "text": "See, all the time we have been talking about technology, going to moon, Mars, and things like that." }, { "end_time": "1:34:58", "start_time": "1:34:50", "text": "But, ultimately, it has to provide an economic activity to the nation to have to give job, employment, ultimately, revenue to the nation to sustain on itself." }, { "end_time": "1:35:02", "start_time": "1:34:59", "text": "So we know space can produce a lot of business." }, { "end_time": "1:35:04", "start_time": "1:35:03", "text": "For example so?" }, { "end_time": "1:35:07", "start_time": "1:35:04", "text": "For example, you what you communication, for example." }, { "end_time": "1:35:13", "start_time": "1:35:07", "text": "All the satellite communication is still satellite based, but then you have terrestrial complementing it." }, { "end_time": "1:35:19", "start_time": "1:35:13", "text": "So the satellite communications still continue to be very important, and you are now going to have direct to device communication from LEO constellation, Ura West." }, { "end_time": "1:35:22", "start_time": "1:35:19", "text": "Starlink, OneWeb are examples of it." }, { "end_time": "1:35:23", "start_time": "1:35:22", "text": "So this is one commercial activity." }, { "end_time": "1:35:27", "start_time": "1:35:24", "text": "2nd is all the earth observation satellite data that comes out." }, { "end_time": "1:35:29", "start_time": "1:35:27", "text": "It's again a commercial product." }, { "end_time": "1:35:48", "start_time": "1:35:29", "text": "Based on that, there are a lot of industries working on it, mapping geospatial services, real natural resource mapping, then governmental projects like the roads and infrastructure development, fisheries, climate and weather models, and climate satellite and climate advisories for various activities, strategic users." }, { "end_time": "1:35:53", "start_time": "1:35:49", "text": "Your GPS services, you know, p and d services, post and navigation timing services." }, { "end_time": "1:35:56", "start_time": "1:35:54", "text": "All these are commercial services." }, { "end_time": "1:36:10", "start_time": "1:35:56", "text": "And, the whole of the and to support it, you have another set of commercial service called establishing communication networks, antenna systems, no, command commanding and telecommanding and data processing networks, computers, chains." }, { "end_time": "1:36:13", "start_time": "1:36:10", "text": "The that economy is 70% of the size." }, { "end_time": "1:36:18", "start_time": "1:36:13", "text": "So if you look at the global space economy, it is 400,000,000,000 US dollar annually." }, { "end_time": "1:36:20", "start_time": "1:36:19", "text": "400,000,000,000." }, { "end_time": "1:36:22", "start_time": "1:36:21", "text": "And our contribution is very small." }, { "end_time": "1:36:25", "start_time": "1:36:22", "text": "It's only 2% Indian contribution." }, { "end_time": "1:36:26", "start_time": "1:36:25", "text": "Perhaps it's going to change." }, { "end_time": "1:36:31", "start_time": "1:36:27", "text": "Our goal is to make, you know, increase it maybe fivefold in the coming 10 years." }, { "end_time": "1:36:32", "start_time": "1:36:31", "text": "That's a good plan." }, { "end_time": "1:36:35", "start_time": "1:36:32", "text": "To make it happen is not only Suro." }, { "end_time": "1:36:37", "start_time": "1:36:35", "text": "We need many other people to come." }, { "end_time": "1:36:39", "start_time": "1:36:37", "text": "Otherwise, Suro will continue to work on government grants." }, { "end_time": "1:36:39", "start_time": "1:36:39", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:36:41", "start_time": "1:36:39", "text": "That's not going to make it scale up." }, { "end_time": "1:36:44", "start_time": "1:36:41", "text": "We need industries who will work in all these sectors." }, { "end_time": "1:36:51", "start_time": "1:36:44", "text": "Industries who will build rockets, industry who will build satellites, industries who will build antennas, ground stations, ground equipments providing services." }, { "end_time": "1:36:55", "start_time": "1:36:52", "text": "And all of this together will increase the scale of operation." }, { "end_time": "1:36:57", "start_time": "1:36:56", "text": "And ISRO will get more launch opportunity." }, { "end_time": "1:37:01", "start_time": "1:36:57", "text": "Somebody builds 100 of satellites in India, ISRO can launch them." }, { "end_time": "1:37:04", "start_time": "1:37:01", "text": "So that will be a scaling of other activity." }, { "end_time": "1:37:11", "start_time": "1:37:04", "text": "I'm visualizing that the next generation of ISRO employees will be a much larger number of people." }, { "end_time": "1:37:12", "start_time": "1:37:11", "text": "Space employees." }, { "end_time": "1:37:13", "start_time": "1:37:12", "text": "Space employees." }, { "end_time": "1:37:13", "start_time": "1:37:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:37:14", "start_time": "1:37:14", "text": "But okay." }, { "end_time": "1:37:19", "start_time": "1:37:14", "text": "Specifically, when you're when you're hiring at ISRO or when you're promoting people at ISRO?" }, { "end_time": "1:37:21", "start_time": "1:37:19", "text": "Promoting people for doing space activity." }, { "end_time": "1:37:27", "start_time": "1:37:22", "text": "So if suppose I think of think of a Boeing coming up in India, a company of that nature, why not?" }, { "end_time": "1:37:37", "start_time": "1:37:27", "text": "When you're hiring people at ISRO and when you are promoting a certain teammate, what are the traits you look for in that person?" }, { "end_time": "1:37:40", "start_time": "1:37:37", "text": "How does someone climb up the ladder in ISRO career wise?" }, { "end_time": "1:37:41", "start_time": "1:37:40", "text": "2, 3 qualities." }, { "end_time": "1:37:43", "start_time": "1:37:42", "text": "1st, competence." }, { "end_time": "1:37:50", "start_time": "1:37:44", "text": "In terms of academic excellence, knowledge, but he may not know everything." }, { "end_time": "1:37:51", "start_time": "1:37:50", "text": "Not necessary." }, { "end_time": "1:37:53", "start_time": "1:37:51", "text": "But he has a passion to learn." }, { "end_time": "1:37:59", "start_time": "1:37:54", "text": "Very difficult to judge, very difficult to gauge, but with some questions, we will be able to understand." }, { "end_time": "1:38:02", "start_time": "1:37:59", "text": "2nd, ability to work as a team." }, { "end_time": "1:38:06", "start_time": "1:38:02", "text": "Even if it's brilliant, if it's a loner, it's of no use." }, { "end_time": "1:38:15", "start_time": "1:38:07", "text": "You must be able to understand, others, respect others, work with others, and then deliver as a team." }, { "end_time": "1:38:18", "start_time": "1:38:16", "text": "Lastly, leadership quality." }, { "end_time": "1:38:20", "start_time": "1:38:19", "text": "Everybody will not be a leader." }, { "end_time": "1:38:21", "start_time": "1:38:20", "text": "That I understand." }, { "end_time": "1:38:24", "start_time": "1:38:22", "text": "But out of the many we recruit, there will be some leaders." }, { "end_time": "1:38:27", "start_time": "1:38:25", "text": "Those traits are very special traits." }, { "end_time": "1:38:32", "start_time": "1:38:28", "text": "It's, it doesn't come by, you know, by recruitment." }, { "end_time": "1:38:35", "start_time": "1:38:32", "text": "It comes through training and if you through proper mentorship." }, { "end_time": "1:38:42", "start_time": "1:38:35", "text": "So if you have some aspect of that dedication, capability we see, we mentor them on a continuous basis to make them lead us." }, { "end_time": "1:38:44", "start_time": "1:38:43", "text": "Gotcha." }, { "end_time": "1:38:46", "start_time": "1:38:44", "text": "I think we're almost at the end of the episode." }, { "end_time": "1:38:48", "start_time": "1:38:46", "text": "So we've been speaking for a while." }, { "end_time": "1:38:52", "start_time": "1:38:49", "text": "This is a National Space Day special." }, { "end_time": "1:39:02", "start_time": "1:38:52", "text": "How does it feel that the team which worked with you, the team you were a part of, has now created an event for the whole country?" }, { "end_time": "1:39:04", "start_time": "1:39:03", "text": "Special feeling for you?" }, { "end_time": "1:39:09", "start_time": "1:39:05", "text": "I'm happy that we are we are we are a team that can always do such wonders." }, { "end_time": "1:39:12", "start_time": "1:39:09", "text": "I'm I'm banging on them to do that." }, { "end_time": "1:39:12", "start_time": "1:39:12", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "1:39:13", "start_time": "1:39:12", "text": "How do you feel?" }, { "end_time": "1:39:18", "start_time": "1:39:13", "text": "I'm, expecting a wonderful event on 23rd, August." }, { "end_time": "1:39:22", "start_time": "1:39:19", "text": "The honorable president will be there to inaugurate this function." }, { "end_time": "1:39:25", "start_time": "1:39:23", "text": "But this is not going to be one event this year." }, { "end_time": "1:39:27", "start_time": "1:39:25", "text": "It's going to be an annual event." }, { "end_time": "1:39:29", "start_time": "1:39:27", "text": "And, just not one day event." }, { "end_time": "1:39:31", "start_time": "1:39:29", "text": "It's a period." }, { "end_time": "1:39:41", "start_time": "1:39:31", "text": "The whole of August, we are making sure that we connect with the the society, students, the science community, ministries, departments, industries, startups, everybody." }, { "end_time": "1:39:47", "start_time": "1:39:42", "text": "So as to create the vibrancy, the energy, the those are some of the success that we have in Chennai." }, { "end_time": "1:39:48", "start_time": "1:39:47", "text": "What message do you have for the public, sir?" }, { "end_time": "1:39:51", "start_time": "1:39:48", "text": "Like, what is ISRO's message to the Indian audiences?" }, { "end_time": "1:39:54", "start_time": "1:39:52", "text": "Because our whole country loves you." }, { "end_time": "1:40:01", "start_time": "1:39:54", "text": "Like, the moment someone even says the name ISRO, there's a sense of respect and pride that every Indian feels." }, { "end_time": "1:40:14", "start_time": "1:40:02", "text": "So even on my way to the headquarters here today, when I told the hotel staff, when I was telling the airline staff that I'm going to ISRO, people were happy for me that I'm getting a chance to come." }, { "end_time": "1:40:16", "start_time": "1:40:14", "text": "That is how the country looks at this organization." }, { "end_time": "1:40:18", "start_time": "1:40:17", "text": "What's your message to the country?" }, { "end_time": "1:40:19", "start_time": "1:40:19", "text": "It's a fantastic feeling." }, { "end_time": "1:40:22", "start_time": "1:40:19", "text": "It's a pride for all of us." }, { "end_time": "1:40:28", "start_time": "1:40:23", "text": "This has come out of the hard work of the entire community with the support of the government." }, { "end_time": "1:40:33", "start_time": "1:40:29", "text": "So the inspiration element is very, very important." }, { "end_time": "1:40:38", "start_time": "1:40:34", "text": "It gives belief in yourself a certain lot of confidence to the young people." }, { "end_time": "1:40:45", "start_time": "1:40:39", "text": "Whenever I go to some schools, some village or some places, I always find someone, you know, coming and say, I want to join Israel." }, { "end_time": "1:40:47", "start_time": "1:40:45", "text": "I want to come and become an astronaut." }, { "end_time": "1:40:49", "start_time": "1:40:47", "text": "I want to do something for the country." }, { "end_time": "1:40:52", "start_time": "1:40:50", "text": "They they write mails and letters." }, { "end_time": "1:41:00", "start_time": "1:40:52", "text": "More than this type of fascination, I find that and and desire of many people to come and work for the country is really fantastic." }, { "end_time": "1:41:02", "start_time": "1:41:01", "text": "And this is the change that has happened." }, { "end_time": "1:41:04", "start_time": "1:41:02", "text": "Earlier, nobody knew about it." }, { "end_time": "1:41:08", "start_time": "1:41:05", "text": "Now after Chander Andree, the the awareness is very high." }, { "end_time": "1:41:11", "start_time": "1:41:08", "text": "Though we have been silently working, the awareness is very important." }, { "end_time": "1:41:13", "start_time": "1:41:11", "text": "The awareness is too important." }, { "end_time": "1:41:19", "start_time": "1:41:13", "text": "1, for themselves because it puts them on a higher pedestal, on a higher level of confidence to expect." }, { "end_time": "1:41:22", "start_time": "1:41:19", "text": "2nd is it also gives us a responsibility to envision Bika." }, { "end_time": "1:41:27", "start_time": "1:41:23", "text": "So it's a win win situation for ISRO and for the public." }, { "end_time": "1:41:27", "start_time": "1:41:27", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "1:41:31", "start_time": "1:41:29", "text": "Just wanna say it was the honor of my life to Thank you, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:41:33", "start_time": "1:41:31", "text": "Get some time with you, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:41:33", "start_time": "1:41:33", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:41:40", "start_time": "1:41:34", "text": "But I can't tell you how happy and grateful my whole team is, for you today." }, { "end_time": "1:41:46", "start_time": "1:41:40", "text": "I've been stopping myself from fanboying over you throughout the course of this podcast, but just thank you very much, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:41:49", "start_time": "1:41:46", "text": "There's, been 800 podcasts we've created." }, { "end_time": "1:41:51", "start_time": "1:41:49", "text": "It's been a 9 year journey for me." }, { "end_time": "1:41:54", "start_time": "1:41:51", "text": "And there were only 2 days that my mother said she was proud of me." }, { "end_time": "1:41:55", "start_time": "1:41:54", "text": "This was one of the days." }, { "end_time": "1:41:59", "start_time": "1:41:57", "text": "So just genuinely, thank you, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:42:01", "start_time": "1:41:59", "text": "Means a lot that you gave us your time." }, { "end_time": "1:42:03", "start_time": "1:42:01", "text": "I saluted you at the beginning." }, { "end_time": "1:42:04", "start_time": "1:42:03", "text": "I saluted you at the end." }, { "end_time": "1:42:05", "start_time": "1:42:04", "text": "Thank you for everything you've done for our country, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:42:10", "start_time": "1:42:06", "text": "Genuinely, from our heart, a whole generation is very grateful to all of you." }, { "end_time": "1:42:12", "start_time": "1:42:10", "text": "Thank you for the support, and the blessings." }, { "end_time": "1:42:18", "start_time": "1:42:13", "text": "We are going for a launch, on 16th, just after the Independence Day celebration." }, { "end_time": "1:42:23", "start_time": "1:42:19", "text": "That's the launch of SSLV d 3 in this 3rd development flight." }, { "end_time": "1:42:25", "start_time": "1:42:23", "text": "So your blessings needed for a launch." }, { "end_time": "1:42:28", "start_time": "1:42:26", "text": "And all for the all the launches that they are going to be this year." }, { "end_time": "1:42:28", "start_time": "1:42:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:42:31", "start_time": "1:42:28", "text": "All the positive energy, sir, from the whole country." }, { "end_time": "1:42:31", "start_time": "1:42:31", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:42:32", "start_time": "1:42:31", "text": "So just thank you for everything." }, { "end_time": "1:42:33", "start_time": "1:42:32", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:42:41", "start_time": "1:42:33", "text": "Really, when, you know, foreign podcast and all talk about ISRO, it's a sense of pride for all of us using social media within India." }, { "end_time": "1:42:49", "start_time": "1:42:42", "text": "I think there's a whole generation of space enthusiasts that wants to take this journey even forward because of all the work and hours that all of you have put in." }, { "end_time": "1:42:50", "start_time": "1:42:49", "text": "So thank you, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:42:51", "start_time": "1:42:50", "text": "Thank you once again." }, { "end_time": "1:42:51", "start_time": "1:42:51", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:42:53", "start_time": "1:42:51", "text": "That was the episode for today." }, { "end_time": "1:43:08", "start_time": "1:42:53", "text": "Ladies and gentlemen, honestly, I was only prepared for this episode because of our countless conversations with astrophysicists, specifically Abhijit Chawada, sir, who has spoken about space to me so many times on the show." }, { "end_time": "1:43:13", "start_time": "1:43:08", "text": "These were all the questions that had formed in my head over the last 5 years." }, { "end_time": "1:43:23", "start_time": "1:43:13", "text": "Space and space tech are domains that interest me very much, and it genuinely can't get bigger and better than doctor s Somnath being on the Ranveer show." }, { "end_time": "1:43:28", "start_time": "1:43:24", "text": "Very big career day for me and possibly the biggest podcast of the year for me." }, { "end_time": "1:43:30", "start_time": "1:43:29", "text": "So thank you to sir." }, { "end_time": "1:43:34", "start_time": "1:43:30", "text": "I hope he returns on TRS very soon because there's a lot more to discuss with doctor Somnath." }, { "end_time": "1:43:37", "start_time": "1:43:34", "text": "But until next time, guys, from Ranveer and the team." }, { "end_time": "1:43:38", "start_time": "1:43:37", "text": "Let's keep celebrating ISRO." }, { "end_time": "1:43:42", "start_time": "1:43:39", "text": "Let's wish everyone a happy national space day." }, { "end_time": "1:43:48", "start_time": "1:43:42", "text": "And until next time, from Ranveer and team, and we'll see you soon." } ] }

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Your objective is to generate high-quality, chapter-wise segments that accurately represent key points or transitions within the video.\n\n**Transcript JSON Format:** \nThe transcript is formatted as a list of dictionaries, where each dictionary represents a spoken sentence, including its text and corresponding start and end times.\n\n**Example Transcript:** \n```json\n[\n {\n \"text\": \"The narrative in the public eye is that you left working with the Modi government because your opinions weren't heard.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:07\"\n },\n {\n \"text\": \"I want to know your side of the story.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:08\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:10\"\n },\n ...\n]\n```\n\n**Your Task:** \nUsing the given transcript, generate a JSON output that breaks down the video into meaningful chapters. 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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:04", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "If there's ever anything I wish to learn about history or geopolitics, you're one of the first people I call." }, { "end_time": "0:13", "start_time": "0:04", "text": "Sharjan Shah, an alumni of London School of Economics, Cambridge and Harvard offers profound insights into the global power dynamics." }, { "end_time": "0:20", "start_time": "0:13", "text": "In this podcast, he brings his keen analysis to recent events in Bangladesh and their global implications." }, { "end_time": "0:23", "start_time": "0:20", "text": "Could you please give us some context on what's happening in Bangladesh?" }, { "end_time": "0:27", "start_time": "0:24", "text": "You're seeing mass protests, jailing of political opponents." }, { "end_time": "0:32", "start_time": "0:27", "text": "The feeling in Bangladesh that the voices of the opposition are really not being heard." }, { "end_time": "0:39", "start_time": "0:32", "text": "How come this issue that began as a quota system related issue turned into a Hindu genocide?" }, { "end_time": "0:47", "start_time": "0:39", "text": "1, the genocide being perpetrated by sections of East Pakistani or Bangladeshi society was directed specifically against the Hindu minority." }, { "end_time": "0:49", "start_time": "0:47", "text": "Is it truly a Hindu genocide?" }, { "end_time": "0:53", "start_time": "0:49", "text": "Why has Sheikh Hasina been given shelter in India?" }, { "end_time": "0:56", "start_time": "0:53", "text": "In many ways, we've been a little bit blindsided by this." }, { "end_time": "1:07", "start_time": "0:56", "text": "The main things going on in Delhi, doctor Jaishankar's ministry has been focused on Does the Bangladesh situation mean anything to the Pakistani government?" }, { "end_time": "1:15", "start_time": "1:07", "text": "You know, the consequences could include everything from a full blown civil war right across our border, the illegal movement of people, the infiltration of terrorists." }, { "end_time": "1:19", "start_time": "1:15", "text": "Problem is going to affect India from an economic perspective in a huge way." }, { "end_time": "1:24", "start_time": "1:19", "text": "This is the right moment for me to now mention the CAA, which is very, very controversial act." }, { "end_time": "1:35", "start_time": "1:24", "text": "I would be very surprised if we don't see a process by which the Indian government negotiates with new Bangladeshi government, provide safe passage of some kind to the Hindu minority that want to make the move to India." }, { "end_time": "1:40", "start_time": "1:35", "text": "Migration of Bangladeshi Hindus in the coming 6 months." }, { "end_time": "1:56", "start_time": "1:44", "text": "Another geopolitics special of TRS, Sajan Shah is someone that I turn to when I want to learn more about a certain historical topic or a certain topic related to geopolitics." }, { "end_time": "1:58", "start_time": "1:56", "text": "This is only his debut on TRS." }, { "end_time": "2:04", "start_time": "1:58", "text": "I promise you there's at least 50 episodes within this person's mind." }, { "end_time": "2:07", "start_time": "2:04", "text": "And this is only episode 1 out of 50." }, { "end_time": "2:09", "start_time": "2:07", "text": "There's a lot more to come from Sarajan Shah." }, { "end_time": "2:18", "start_time": "2:09", "text": "But on today's episode, we focused heavily on the Bangladesh crisis as well as the current state of Pakistan and China." }, { "end_time": "2:22", "start_time": "2:18", "text": "I hope you enjoy today's geopolitical update on TRS." }, { "end_time": "2:44", "start_time": "2:40", "text": "If there's ever anything I wish to learn about history or geopolitics, you're one of the first people I call." }, { "end_time": "2:50", "start_time": "2:44", "text": "So thank you for being in our studio, and I'm glad to be taking your voice out to the world." }, { "end_time": "2:52", "start_time": "2:51", "text": "I've been a huge fan of the show, Anir." }, { "end_time": "2:55", "start_time": "2:52", "text": "I've been watching you for years, and, thank you for having me." }, { "end_time": "2:57", "start_time": "2:55", "text": "It's a it's a real pleasure to be here." }, { "end_time": "3:03", "start_time": "2:58", "text": "I gotta begin by asking you about yourself before we get into talking about Bangladesh." }, { "end_time": "3:07", "start_time": "3:03", "text": "People need to know the person that they're getting the information from." }, { "end_time": "3:09", "start_time": "3:07", "text": "So what have you studied, sir Jain Jain?" }, { "end_time": "3:15", "start_time": "3:09", "text": "Well, born and raised as a Bombay boy and, from a business family." }, { "end_time": "3:19", "start_time": "3:15", "text": "But for some reason, since I was a very, very young boy, all things military fascinated me." }, { "end_time": "3:27", "start_time": "3:19", "text": "And so all of the people that grew up with me, my teachers through school knew that somewhere or the other, that was the direction that I was heading in." }, { "end_time": "3:38", "start_time": "3:27", "text": "I ended up expressing that by studying international relations in history at the London School of Economics 2007 to 10, which is a very interesting period in the international system for a number of reasons as well." }, { "end_time": "3:59", "start_time": "3:38", "text": "I ended up specializing in military history in particular, public international law with a focus on the use of armed force, which is very relevant given certain things that are currently underway in the world, as well as international political theory, trying to take a slightly more theoretical approach to analyzing how our social and political systems work both domestically as well as internationally." }, { "end_time": "4:03", "start_time": "4:00", "text": "And so that's one part of the educational journey that I've had." }, { "end_time": "4:08", "start_time": "4:03", "text": "I know that you study multiple subjects, but would you say that geopolitics is the subject you enjoy the most?" }, { "end_time": "4:19", "start_time": "4:09", "text": "I often say that it's, it's my actual trade craft, and, it's what, I cut my teeth on as an undergrad, many, many years ago." }, { "end_time": "4:26", "start_time": "4:20", "text": "It's I suspect what I would have ended up doing professionally as well if not for a number of other things that happened in my life." }, { "end_time": "4:40", "start_time": "4:26", "text": "And so, you know, if you wake me up at 3 AM and ask me what I'd like to talk about, it's likely to be strategic affairs, geopolitics, as I say, with a real focus on, what people call hard power rather than soft power." }, { "end_time": "4:41", "start_time": "4:40", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "4:41", "start_time": "4:41", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "4:53", "start_time": "4:42", "text": "Also, when we're having geopolitical conversations, it's very easy to go into the domain of conspiracy as well as, non data backed, angles on what's happening in the world." }, { "end_time": "5:03", "start_time": "4:54", "text": "And I think that that's honestly the conversation that most audiences all over the world enjoy the most when there are these strong opinions, when there are slightly controversial opinions." }, { "end_time": "5:05", "start_time": "5:03", "text": "It's just the nature of the human mind." }, { "end_time": "5:10", "start_time": "5:06", "text": "I know there's going to be strong opinions, but I also know it's going to be deeply data backed." }, { "end_time": "5:20", "start_time": "5:10", "text": "I don't know anyone else who studies as much as you do, which is why, Sarjanja, we gotta begin by talking about this Bangladesh situation because that's what everyone's talking about." }, { "end_time": "5:25", "start_time": "5:20", "text": "I think that's a great starting point, for a larger geopolitics oriented conversation." }, { "end_time": "5:27", "start_time": "5:25", "text": "But I have a couple of questions." }, { "end_time": "5:33", "start_time": "5:27", "text": "The first question is, could you please give us some context on what's happening in Bangladesh?" }, { "end_time": "5:42", "start_time": "5:34", "text": "And the second question is that, is it in any way linked to what we're seeing happening in the gulf, in Israel, Palestine?" }, { "end_time": "5:45", "start_time": "5:42", "text": "Is it in any way linked to what's happening in Ukraine?" }, { "end_time": "5:50", "start_time": "5:46", "text": "Is it in any way linked to what's happening in America?" }, { "end_time": "5:55", "start_time": "5:51", "text": "Because Sheikh Hasina said something pretty controversial this past week." }, { "end_time": "5:57", "start_time": "5:55", "text": "So, Sarjan Shah, over to you." }, { "end_time": "5:59", "start_time": "5:58", "text": "Give us the story." }, { "end_time": "5:59", "start_time": "5:59", "text": "Look." }, { "end_time": "6:03", "start_time": "5:59", "text": "In many ways, what's happened is not surprising." }, { "end_time": "6:18", "start_time": "6:03", "text": "And so before I address, Sheikh Hasina's specific comments, I guess I would point to the general failure of the decolonization movement all over the world, by pointing to India as the rare success story." }, { "end_time": "6:21", "start_time": "6:18", "text": "The decolonization movement as in post World War 2?" }, { "end_time": "7:02", "start_time": "6:21", "text": "Post World War 2 as a number of Asian African nations were driving towards independence, you effectively had the birth of a number of nations that were, under equipped, under resourced, and had a set of systemic structural challenges that most democratic experiments have largely failed to address, which is why I point to India as the sort of powerful exception to the rule where given the opening circumstances that we had, a large fairly uneducated and poor population that had very little experience with democracy, relatively low governmental effectiveness as well back in 1947, I mean, we we were just a poor country." }, { "end_time": "7:02", "start_time": "7:02", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "7:09", "start_time": "7:02", "text": "Not much by way of natural advantages, in this process of nation building or this project of nation building." }, { "end_time": "7:31", "start_time": "7:09", "text": "Now the reason I give you the example of India as the exception that proves the rule is that the fact that we've managed to sustain democracy, for 75 plus years, and the fact that we've managed to, through our own, you know, ups and downs, manage to build a relatively prosperous nation today with, of course, continuing issues, social, economic, political, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "7:34", "start_time": "7:31", "text": "But overall, I think that we believe there were a success story." }, { "end_time": "7:36", "start_time": "7:34", "text": "But you look around yourself." }, { "end_time": "7:36", "start_time": "7:36", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "7:38", "start_time": "7:36", "text": "I mean, look at just the rest of the subcontinent." }, { "end_time": "7:41", "start_time": "7:39", "text": "Look at just what the British left behind." }, { "end_time": "7:43", "start_time": "7:42", "text": "And you have Pakistan on one side." }, { "end_time": "7:47", "start_time": "7:43", "text": "You have Bangladesh on the other, and you have Sri Lanka to the south of you." }, { "end_time": "8:03", "start_time": "7:47", "text": "All these three, outside of the specifics, are examples of nations that have effectively, failed to build up the necessary national power and national capacity over the last 60 or 70 years to be able to continue to have sustainable democracy." }, { "end_time": "8:07", "start_time": "8:03", "text": "Just a quick history of Bangladesh for the context of what's going on right now." }, { "end_time": "8:35", "start_time": "8:07", "text": "Obviously, most of your viewers will be aware that thanks to Indian support and intervention, Bangladesh was birthed in 1971 as a very unique and powerful example of humanitarian intervention because India went in, ended the genocide being committed by the West Pakistani army, but then quickly within 3 months of the Pakistani surrender also withdrew, which allowed Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, Sheikh Hasina's father, to very quickly establish, a modicum of governance in east Pakistan." }, { "end_time": "8:51", "start_time": "8:36", "text": "So they managed to establish a constitution within a year, and, he really tried to usher in a secular, form of government into what was otherwise, you know, really as a as a vestige of partition meant to have an Islamic identity in East Pakistan." }, { "end_time": "9:04", "start_time": "8:51", "text": "You know, if you consider the fact that the father of the nation, just like in India's case, was assassinated shortly after independence in 1975, sheik Mujibur Rahman was assassinated in a coup and in a military coup." }, { "end_time": "9:08", "start_time": "9:04", "text": "And the reason I draw this is you just think in the back of your about the parallels with Pakistan." }, { "end_time": "9:08", "start_time": "9:08", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "9:14", "start_time": "9:08", "text": "Country is born, few years of so called democratic or civilian rule, and almost immediately, you have a military coup." }, { "end_time": "9:38", "start_time": "9:14", "text": "Mujibur Rahman and the vast majority of his family are murdered, and you have a number of years of of of of really a authoritarian form of army led rule, after which you have a return to democracy, a number of years later, and then sheikh Hasina, as one of sheikh Mujeed's sort of, you know, surviving, daughters comes back, becomes prime minister." }, { "end_time": "9:46", "start_time": "9:38", "text": "And she's really had, more or less, you know, control of Bangladesh for the last 15 odd years before these recent events." }, { "end_time": "10:00", "start_time": "9:47", "text": "But the point I'm really trying to make is you never had in Bangladesh the level of economic development, the level of social integration, the level of, you know, the development of of of institutional strength to be able to sustain this." }, { "end_time": "10:10", "start_time": "10:00", "text": "And so the fact that you're seeing mass protests, in the here and now, yes, there could be proximate causes, you know, which are driven by animals from other countries." }, { "end_time": "10:40", "start_time": "10:11", "text": "But for the most part, I would point to, the long duration of her rule, the jailing of political opponents, the feeling in park in Bangladesh that, the voices of the opposition are really not being heard, and real frustration at the level of the civilians at their day to day lives, which I think is is is is, or should be unsurprising, given their given their socioeconomic situation." }, { "end_time": "10:41", "start_time": "10:40", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "10:42", "start_time": "10:41", "text": "So many tangential questions." }, { "end_time": "10:46", "start_time": "10:44", "text": "Should we actually cut to 2024?" }, { "end_time": "10:52", "start_time": "10:47", "text": "Because I have a lot of questions about history, and we'll keep entering history through modern day context." }, { "end_time": "10:58", "start_time": "10:53", "text": "The narrative we're getting in India because of social media is that there's a Hindu genocide going on in Bangladesh." }, { "end_time": "11:03", "start_time": "11:00", "text": "What's the truth behind that statement?" }, { "end_time": "11:14", "start_time": "11:04", "text": "2, how come this issue that began as a quota system related issue turned into a Hindu genocide?" }, { "end_time": "11:20", "start_time": "11:15", "text": "I'll let you kind of give us modern day context as well as answer this question." }, { "end_time": "11:22", "start_time": "11:20", "text": "And is it truly a Hindu genocide?" }, { "end_time": "11:24", "start_time": "11:23", "text": "Look." }, { "end_time": "11:29", "start_time": "11:24", "text": "The word genocide, actually has specific legal implications in public international law." }, { "end_time": "11:40", "start_time": "11:29", "text": "But is there, currently, violence being committed against Hindus as a result of these protests in the house?" }, { "end_time": "11:42", "start_time": "11:40", "text": "The answer is categorically yes." }, { "end_time": "11:48", "start_time": "11:42", "text": "What's interesting, though, is that, again, this should not be surprising to anyone that really understands the dynamics of Bangladesh." }, { "end_time": "12:13", "start_time": "11:48", "text": "So if you go back again to 71, the genocide, and I can use that word confidently for 1971, the genocide being perpetrated by, not just the East Pakistani army, not just the West Pakistani army, but also certain sections of East Pakistani or Bangladeshi society was directed against Bengali intelligentsia broadly, whether they were Hindu or Muslim." }, { "end_time": "12:26", "start_time": "12:14", "text": "And then specifically against the Hindu minority, the aim was to try to decapitate the leadership class in Bengali society or in East Pakistani or Bangladeshi society." }, { "end_time": "12:38", "start_time": "12:27", "text": "And for a long time now, the Hindus of Bangladesh have, you know, had had had had certain successes commercially or in terms of education, and, they've been amongst the educated classes, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "12:51", "start_time": "12:38", "text": "And so there was a lot of this double identity of you're a Hindu and you're an elite that led to, the genocide that we genuinely did see, but broadly against the Bangladeshi people rather than specifically directed at the Hindus." }, { "end_time": "12:57", "start_time": "12:52", "text": "There was excessive ferocity directed at the Hindus by the Pakistani army back in 1971." }, { "end_time": "13:07", "start_time": "12:58", "text": "What's interesting is that that section of Bangladeshi society that supported the army in the genocide being committed on its own people, were a group known as the." }, { "end_time": "13:26", "start_time": "13:08", "text": "Now these these individuals, expressed effectively an Islamic ideology, and believed in the supremacy of Islam were against the kind of secular, ideology of the Awami League, which was the political party of Sheikh Mujib." }, { "end_time": "13:39", "start_time": "13:26", "text": "So even though the broad Bangladesh independence movement was meant to be secular since it was being led by Sheikh Mujib, there was this Islamic ideological, stream within Bangladeshi society as well." }, { "end_time": "13:41", "start_time": "13:39", "text": "Can can we just pause a little bit for a bit of a recap?" }, { "end_time": "13:48", "start_time": "13:42", "text": "So West Pakistan is trying to impose Urdu, on East Pakistan, which is modern day Bangladesh." }, { "end_time": "13:58", "start_time": "13:48", "text": "West Pakistan is committing atrocities in East Pakistan on, Bangladeshi elite, as well as Bangladeshi Hindus." }, { "end_time": "13:59", "start_time": "13:58", "text": "Fair to say?" }, { "end_time": "14:00", "start_time": "13:59", "text": "Please correct me." }, { "end_time": "14:00", "start_time": "14:00", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "14:01", "start_time": "14:00", "text": "That's absolutely accurate." }, { "end_time": "14:02", "start_time": "14:01", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "14:08", "start_time": "14:03", "text": "I think national identity became a bone of contention for the average Bangladeshi." }, { "end_time": "14:13", "start_time": "14:09", "text": "That's what started their freedom struggle from Western Pakistan." }, { "end_time": "14:19", "start_time": "14:13", "text": "The Indian Army went and helped, East Pakistan, which is Bangladesh in 1971, helped liberate the country." }, { "end_time": "14:23", "start_time": "14:20", "text": "Apparently, within Bangladesh, there are effectively 2 factions." }, { "end_time": "14:27", "start_time": "14:23", "text": "1 is led by Mujibur Rahman, which is the Awami League." }, { "end_time": "14:28", "start_time": "14:27", "text": "League." }, { "end_time": "14:31", "start_time": "14:28", "text": "And the second, which is referred to as the razakars That's right." }, { "end_time": "14:35", "start_time": "14:32", "text": "Is the slightly more extremist, version." }, { "end_time": "14:44", "start_time": "14:35", "text": "I think Sheikh Hasina recently had a statement where she said that if we don't, keep the reservation quota for our freedom fighters, should we keep it for the razakars?" }, { "end_time": "14:45", "start_time": "14:44", "text": "And that's what caused the Precisely." }, { "end_time": "14:47", "start_time": "14:46", "text": "A big storm." }, { "end_time": "14:47", "start_time": "14:47", "text": "Precisely." }, { "end_time": "14:55", "start_time": "14:49", "text": "The thing is I do wish to know where this angle of masses versus classes comes up in Bangladesh." }, { "end_time": "14:56", "start_time": "14:55", "text": "Why was this even a thing?" }, { "end_time": "15:06", "start_time": "14:58", "text": "Well, I mean, in general, I think you'll find that, society, well, anywhere is pretty unequal." }, { "end_time": "15:14", "start_time": "15:06", "text": "But, if you also have a society that feels immobile, that feels sclerotic, that feels oppressive." }, { "end_time": "15:21", "start_time": "15:16", "text": "Populist movements, you can see, are now rising up really all over the world." }, { "end_time": "15:25", "start_time": "15:21", "text": "And, again, you can go back in history to see that this is this shouldn't surprise no one." }, { "end_time": "15:39", "start_time": "15:26", "text": "Right from, you know, the French revolution, the US civil war or the English civil war, populist reactions to miscovenants, and sometimes not even miscovenants." }, { "end_time": "15:41", "start_time": "15:39", "text": "Sometimes it can be a series of unfortunate circumstances." }, { "end_time": "15:42", "start_time": "15:42", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "15:50", "start_time": "15:42", "text": "A plague and a drought and a natural calamity just leads to the experience of a population being, unbearable, and you have this mass uprising." }, { "end_time": "16:12", "start_time": "15:50", "text": "And, typically, there's an undercurrent of dissatisfaction, and then you have someone that arrives as either a charismatic leader or some precipitating incident like Shaykh Asina's statement that you just referred to or with the UK riots, you know, the murder of those 3 young, girls that caused a lot of the seething frustration that had somehow been bottled up to explode all of a sudden." }, { "end_time": "16:13", "start_time": "16:12", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "16:37", "start_time": "16:13", "text": "And so, you know, it's it's in the case of Bangladesh, I think the point that I was making and and and and I'm glad you went to the quick history of partition, etcetera, because I think it's important again as Indians as we're trying to figure out, you know, what went wrong in Bangladesh because Sheikh Hasina was an ally, and, you know, we believe that, that was a legitimately elected, democratic government with the support of the people." }, { "end_time": "16:38", "start_time": "16:37", "text": "Really, you know, what's gone wrong?" }, { "end_time": "16:39", "start_time": "16:38", "text": "I'll point to a couple of things." }, { "end_time": "16:51", "start_time": "16:39", "text": "I mean, note first that during partition, East Pakistani population obviously had a sufficiently powerful Muslim identity to want partition." }, { "end_time": "17:05", "start_time": "16:52", "text": "And they seemed in fact to be quite supportive of Pakistani identity despite the fact that they're a split nation with India in between, you know, despite their close relationships with West Bengal, or the rest of India, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "17:12", "start_time": "17:05", "text": "So there's always been a powerful, national identity possible to be built in Bangladesh as well around religion." }, { "end_time": "17:28", "start_time": "17:13", "text": "It was only truly oppressive policies from the West Pakistanis from 1947 till the 19 sixties and leading up to 70/71 that kind of forces the hand of the East Pakistanis or the Bangladeshis to recognize that, look." }, { "end_time": "17:45", "start_time": "17:29", "text": "Not only was partition important perhaps from a religious identity perspective, but we now need to seek our own independence, our own autonomy from a ethnoracial perspective because the West Pakistani Punjabi elite effectively views us as second class citizens within our own country." }, { "end_time": "17:53", "start_time": "17:46", "text": "That didn't necessarily mean that the East Pakistani population was very pro Indian or very pro Hindu or very secular." }, { "end_time": "17:54", "start_time": "17:54", "text": "You see?" }, { "end_time": "18:00", "start_time": "17:54", "text": "So so so so a lot of this ends up getting confused in the minds of Indians because we've gone and helped liberate Bangladesh." }, { "end_time": "18:05", "start_time": "18:01", "text": "There's almost a sense that there must be such gratitude in Bangladesh for their Indian support." }, { "end_time": "18:09", "start_time": "18:06", "text": "But just note what's happened in a matter of days." }, { "end_time": "18:09", "start_time": "18:09", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "18:13", "start_time": "18:09", "text": "You have a 15 year government that has, you know, fallen overnight." }, { "end_time": "18:21", "start_time": "18:15", "text": "You have not just that, but sheikh Mujib's old house having been burned down that had been converted to a museum." }, { "end_time": "18:34", "start_time": "18:22", "text": "You have also the destruction or the vandalism of the famous statue in Dhaka that commemorated the surrender of the East Pakistani army, which in many ways is commemorating the birth of Bangladesh." }, { "end_time": "18:44", "start_time": "18:34", "text": "So what exactly is the ideology that is expressing itself on the Bangladeshi streets today that seems to almost hit everything to do with the birth of Bangladesh itself?" }, { "end_time": "18:55", "start_time": "18:46", "text": "And so that obviously is a question that only time will answer in terms of, you know, which government actually forms and how that government runs itself and what governance looks like in Bangladesh." }, { "end_time": "19:11", "start_time": "18:55", "text": "I think it's I think it's fascinating that Muhammad Yunus has been has been announced as a, you know, provisional leader of Bangladesh because, he's had a storied career in the west, and he's had a storied career in in academia, and he's obviously revolutionized microfinance and all of that." }, { "end_time": "19:21", "start_time": "19:12", "text": "But to what extent is he a man that can control the rabbit crowds that, you know, have been roaming the streets of Dhaka and other parts of Bangladesh remains to be seen." }, { "end_time": "19:21", "start_time": "19:21", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "19:31", "start_time": "19:23", "text": "I think Thing School made a video on Bangladesh where he spoke about how in 1971, there was also a refugee crisis that India had to face." }, { "end_time": "19:31", "start_time": "19:31", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "19:34", "start_time": "19:31", "text": "And we're likely looking at another refugee crisis at this point." }, { "end_time": "19:42", "start_time": "19:34", "text": "But the thing is, in 2024, it'll cost us upwards of $700,000,000 a year to be able to handle that influx of refugees." }, { "end_time": "19:47", "start_time": "19:43", "text": "So this problem is going to affect India from an economic perspective in a huge way." }, { "end_time": "19:49", "start_time": "19:47", "text": "We just need to anticipate that." }, { "end_time": "19:50", "start_time": "19:49", "text": "You're absolutely right." }, { "end_time": "20:00", "start_time": "19:50", "text": "I mean, I I I we weren't addressing the 71 conflict in detail, but, yes, absolutely, we had a we had a terrible, refugee crisis in, in 70, 71." }, { "end_time": "20:05", "start_time": "20:01", "text": "India was a very different place back then that, you know, we were barely able to feed our own people." }, { "end_time": "20:10", "start_time": "20:05", "text": "So to be able to handle that level of influx of refugees back then was truly debilitating." }, { "end_time": "20:15", "start_time": "20:10", "text": "And so in many ways, our humanitarian intervention in Bangladesh was also born out of necessity." }, { "end_time": "20:19", "start_time": "20:16", "text": "That said, I'll draw 2 distinctions with the scenario in 2024." }, { "end_time": "20:40", "start_time": "20:19", "text": "One is that I would be surprised if there's a general influx of the general Bangladeshi population, because there doesn't seem to be the East Pakistan, West Pakistan dynamic, obviously, anymore where there's a genocide being committed effectively by Punjabis against Bengalis, which is what was going on in 71." }, { "end_time": "20:49", "start_time": "20:41", "text": "And and and instead, I think what you might see, which again should be unsurprising, is the draining of the minorities, from Bangladesh." }, { "end_time": "20:49", "start_time": "20:49", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "21:00", "start_time": "20:49", "text": "I mean, so, again, if you look at the statistics on minorities in Pakistan in 1947 versus today, you see it's a pretty steady, one would say, even rapid decline in the percentage of the population that is minority." }, { "end_time": "21:05", "start_time": "21:00", "text": "And I think you've seen a similar thing already happen in Bangladesh over the last 20 or 30 years." }, { "end_time": "21:08", "start_time": "21:05", "text": "And, you see that accelerate dramatically." }, { "end_time": "21:11", "start_time": "21:08", "text": "And needless to say, those minorities will seek shelter in India." }, { "end_time": "21:39", "start_time": "21:12", "text": "And so to the limited extent of the minorities, I think that, yes, we should expect, some influx, which I think, you know, this is the right moment for me to now mention, the CAA, which is a very, very controversial act, the Citizenship Amendment Act, which, you know, I think ended up being being being viewed as some sort of, you know, Hindu, you know, almost, form of religious discrimination." }, { "end_time": "21:48", "start_time": "21:39", "text": "But I think that that's a misreading of the act, and what's happening in Bangladesh right now is a great life example of how much foresight there was actually in establishing that." }, { "end_time": "21:48", "start_time": "21:48", "text": "Look." }, { "end_time": "21:50", "start_time": "21:48", "text": "What does CA do, Ranveer?" }, { "end_time": "21:53", "start_time": "21:50", "text": "I mean, fundamentally, if you read the text, it's very simple." }, { "end_time": "22:01", "start_time": "21:53", "text": "It it, you know, firstly, it doesn't address Indian citizens at all, which I think is an important clarification that I would love for your audience to understand to the extent that they haven't." }, { "end_time": "22:05", "start_time": "22:01", "text": "You know, I'm sure people will be aware of the controversy to do with CA and NRC, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "22:07", "start_time": "22:05", "text": "It doesn't address Indian citizens." }, { "end_time": "22:13", "start_time": "22:07", "text": "So any question of there being any kind of discrimination against Indian Muslims is out because it just, you know, doesn't apply to us as it were." }, { "end_time": "22:17", "start_time": "22:14", "text": "It's an act that applies to religious minorities in South Asia." }, { "end_time": "22:21", "start_time": "22:18", "text": "So it's India taking on a little bit of that, you know Big brother." }, { "end_time": "22:22", "start_time": "22:21", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "22:23", "start_time": "22:22", "text": "And saying, look." }, { "end_time": "22:25", "start_time": "22:23", "text": "We know what's happening in Afghanistan." }, { "end_time": "22:26", "start_time": "22:25", "text": "We know what's happening in Pakistan." }, { "end_time": "22:28", "start_time": "22:26", "text": "We know what might happen in Bangladesh." }, { "end_time": "22:34", "start_time": "22:28", "text": "We know to a certain extent through Maoist takeover what might happen to the Hindu Kingdom of Nepal as well." }, { "end_time": "22:38", "start_time": "22:34", "text": "And, or in fact, the example of the Chinese in Tibet." }, { "end_time": "22:57", "start_time": "22:38", "text": "And so, you know, what CA does is it creates a list of these religious minorities and says that if there is persecution on the basis of religion that is occurring in our neighborhood, India will be a safe haven for those religious minorities in those countries." }, { "end_time": "23:11", "start_time": "22:57", "text": "And so now given that, you know, Islam is not a religious minority in Afghanistan, Pakistan, or Bangladesh, of course, Muslims, you know, would find it difficult to claim persecution on the basis of religion." }, { "end_time": "23:14", "start_time": "23:11", "text": "And so to that extent, people critique the CAA to say, oh, look." }, { "end_time": "23:18", "start_time": "23:14", "text": "It's excluding Muslims, but there's a you know, it's not that the law wants to exclude Muslims." }, { "end_time": "23:21", "start_time": "23:18", "text": "It's it's trying to protect the religious minorities in our neighborhood." }, { "end_time": "23:38", "start_time": "23:21", "text": "And so in this particular situation, I would be very surprised if we don't see a process by which the Indian government negotiates with this new new Bangladeshi government to say, you know, provide safe passage of some kind to the Hindu minority that want to make the move to India." }, { "end_time": "23:45", "start_time": "23:38", "text": "And now we have a really powerful legal framework available domestically to handle those people and their affairs." }, { "end_time": "23:52", "start_time": "23:45", "text": "In the absence of the citizenship amendment act, those people would effectively have no part to ever becoming citizens of India." }, { "end_time": "23:58", "start_time": "23:52", "text": "And so they'd be stuck with refugee status effectively forever, which has happened to a lot of such minorities in the last 50 or 60 years as well." }, { "end_time": "24:06", "start_time": "23:58", "text": "So I don't think that, we'll see, the kind of refugee crisis that we saw, you know, in 70, 71." }, { "end_time": "24:12", "start_time": "24:07", "text": "I think that India's capacity and capability to handle it is far greater than 50 years ago in 2024." }, { "end_time": "24:22", "start_time": "24:13", "text": "And we now have a solid legal framework to say, minorities actually have, you know, a route to citizenship, in India." }, { "end_time": "24:23", "start_time": "24:22", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "24:31", "start_time": "24:23", "text": "Do you think we'll actually see some kind of a migration of Bangladeshi Hindus in the coming 6 months?" }, { "end_time": "24:35", "start_time": "24:35", "text": "Look." }, { "end_time": "24:41", "start_time": "24:35", "text": "In general, Renee, these these, you know, these moments of regime change anywhere in the world are very fraught moments." }, { "end_time": "24:44", "start_time": "24:43", "text": "It's a bit of a tinderbox." }, { "end_time": "24:45", "start_time": "24:44", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "24:50", "start_time": "24:45", "text": "It all depends on, whether a number of things now head towards stability or total chaos." }, { "end_time": "25:20", "start_time": "24:51", "text": "There's a number of examples globally of, situations like this that end up devolving into other anarchy in a country, with the rise of, you know, warlords and, criminal gangs and the rate of the state starting to reduce to the major cities and entire parts of the country kind of a live example, I mean, with the, you know, in Burma, the rebels in Burma now control something like 30, 40% of the territory of the country." }, { "end_time": "25:27", "start_time": "25:20", "text": "And so that's a really, really bad outcome, right, where you have another highly unstable nation, on our other side." }, { "end_time": "25:32", "start_time": "25:27", "text": "We already have one very unstable, neighbor, in Pakistan." }, { "end_time": "25:46", "start_time": "25:32", "text": "And so, you know, if that's the situation, then you might see a more heavy handed intervention from India in order to really kind of actively go and, like, facilitate the arrival of these people on a fairly short window." }, { "end_time": "25:49", "start_time": "25:46", "text": "Like, the Indian military will be sent in." }, { "end_time": "25:49", "start_time": "25:49", "text": "Look." }, { "end_time": "25:54", "start_time": "25:49", "text": "Again, you know, this is this is very speculative, so I can draw you know, these are all probabilities." }, { "end_time": "26:06", "start_time": "25:56", "text": "You know, again, I think that people exaggerate the ease with which countries intervene, so I wouldn't be surprised if India is quite conservative in its approach and is not going to, you know, have any knee jerk reactions." }, { "end_time": "26:17", "start_time": "26:06", "text": "You can see there's largely been studied silence from our government about everything that's been going on other than some soft messages of support for and, obviously, allowing her to, land in Delhi." }, { "end_time": "26:31", "start_time": "26:17", "text": "But, you know, as I say so let's let's start with a a spectrum of good and bad in terms of outcomes for Bangladesh itself, and then bases that kind of build into what might happen with the Hindus in Bangladesh." }, { "end_time": "27:09", "start_time": "26:32", "text": "So, you know, if if the violence that we've seen, if the attacks on minorities that we've seen, if the kind of blackmail of major institutional figures like the chief of the supreme court or the chief of the police, if that stuff dies down, if the army doesn't end up proving to be, political, which it has, by the way, in Bangladesh as well in the past, and if the students so called students movement ends up actually handing over the reins of power to a technocratic government led by an economist, which seems to be a possibility." }, { "end_time": "27:40", "start_time": "27:10", "text": "And if that technocracy is able to effectively bring a limited but important set of reforms to really respond to the critique of the Sheikh Hasina government, this might end up being a relatively peaceful transition of power where on, you know, at the grand scale of things, it sounds barbaric to say this, but 4 or 500 deaths seem seem like, you know, seem like we've got no way, with a relatively nonviolent or peaceful, transfer of power." }, { "end_time": "27:55", "start_time": "27:40", "text": "On the other hand, if these mobs in the streets of Dhaka continue to wield power and start to, you know, continue to dispense kind of mob justice, and really don't allow, this provisional government to function effectively." }, { "end_time": "28:09", "start_time": "27:55", "text": "If that populist movement kind of decides to hold, the new government to ransom on every policy issue, or begin some one time violence across minorities and across businesses, etcetera, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "28:16", "start_time": "28:10", "text": "You know, you might see a country that's very, very quickly deteriorating into, as I said, a state of chaos and anarchy." }, { "end_time": "28:23", "start_time": "28:16", "text": "It's in that scenario that one could imagine, Indian needing to intervene in some way to protect minorities." }, { "end_time": "28:38", "start_time": "28:24", "text": "And what's interesting again is that in the absence of the kind of internal legal framework, we wouldn't even have, you know, a a a a a good set of processes to follow once these people are in, you know, once we manage to go and bring them into our country." }, { "end_time": "28:42", "start_time": "28:38", "text": "So I think it's actually really important that we have that legal framework in place." }, { "end_time": "28:49", "start_time": "28:42", "text": "There's enough under public international law that allows India to officially claim humanitarian intervention as its reason for going into Bangladesh." }, { "end_time": "28:52", "start_time": "28:49", "text": "So please don't discount the possibility entirely." }, { "end_time": "28:55", "start_time": "28:53", "text": "Do I expect war with Bangladesh?" }, { "end_time": "28:55", "start_time": "28:55", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "28:55", "start_time": "28:55", "text": "I don't." }, { "end_time": "28:59", "start_time": "28:55", "text": "I don't think that the Bangladeshi army wants to go to war against India." }, { "end_time": "29:01", "start_time": "28:59", "text": "I don't think the Bangladeshi government wants to do that." }, { "end_time": "29:24", "start_time": "29:02", "text": "But as I say, in case formal systems of authority fail in Bangladesh and our minorities or their minorities, I should say, are, in serious threat, it's not impossible that you might see some sort of a military intervention purely from a minority protection perspective, being executed by India." }, { "end_time": "29:24", "start_time": "29:24", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "29:33", "start_time": "29:24", "text": "I'm going to give a deeply oversimplified angle on the context of what's happening in 2024." }, { "end_time": "29:34", "start_time": "29:34", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "29:36", "start_time": "29:34", "text": "So Sheikh Hasina's been in power for 15 years." }, { "end_time": "29:43", "start_time": "29:37", "text": "All we heard about Sheikh Hasina's regime till up to about 2 years ago was positive things." }, { "end_time": "29:47", "start_time": "29:43", "text": "That it's helped the country's per, capita GDP, etcetera, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "29:50", "start_time": "29:47", "text": "She's been great for the women's workforce in Bangladesh." }, { "end_time": "29:52", "start_time": "29:50", "text": "These are the kind of narratives that would reach us in India." }, { "end_time": "30:01", "start_time": "29:53", "text": "Over the last 2 years, you hear about a little bit of chaos here and there, some commotion, and then suddenly this situation breaks out." }, { "end_time": "30:13", "start_time": "30:01", "text": "Now what the Internet tells us about the situation is that, there was a reservation based, quota system when it came to jobs in civil service." }, { "end_time": "30:21", "start_time": "30:13", "text": "So the bureaucrats, the government jobs, they were mostly reserved for the descendants of freedom fighters from the 1971 movement." }, { "end_time": "30:24", "start_time": "30:22", "text": "The rest of the country had a problem with this." }, { "end_time": "30:33", "start_time": "30:24", "text": "The political angle here is Sheikh Hasina's Awami League, found its vote bank within the families of the freedom fighters." }, { "end_time": "30:42", "start_time": "30:34", "text": "So if they withdrew these reservations for government jobs, she'd also lose her vote bank's favor." }, { "end_time": "30:49", "start_time": "30:44", "text": "This was kind of the core context of the beginnings of this revolution." }, { "end_time": "30:57", "start_time": "30:50", "text": "Tension kept building up, statements were made, and then literally in, like, a week's time, that whole country has erupted." }, { "end_time": "31:05", "start_time": "30:57", "text": "But over the last 2 years, I believe there has been, a bit of an economic downfall of Bangladesh triggered by the Russia Ukraine war." }, { "end_time": "31:14", "start_time": "31:05", "text": "Because I believe Bangladesh had very limited exports, and those, few exports, which I'm sure Jute is one of them, I don't remember the other one." }, { "end_time": "31:18", "start_time": "31:15", "text": "It's actually become a significant manufacturing hub as well." }, { "end_time": "31:18", "start_time": "31:18", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "31:23", "start_time": "31:18", "text": "So there's a big difference in between exporting jute and exporting, finished product." }, { "end_time": "31:32", "start_time": "31:24", "text": "And in fact, a lot of the clothes that all of us would have worn from any of the kind of fast fashion chains all over the world, you'll often be seeing made in Bangladesh." }, { "end_time": "31:43", "start_time": "31:32", "text": "So, you know, right alongside, Vietnam, Bangladesh has actually been a significant, has seen a significant rise in local manufacturing for low end goods." }, { "end_time": "31:44", "start_time": "31:43", "text": "So that was a part of the economy." }, { "end_time": "32:00", "start_time": "31:46", "text": "But, you know, to your point about, the economic situation in Bangladesh, look again in general, and we do you know, you'll find there are very few nations, on this planet that are truly capable of weathering crises." }, { "end_time": "32:07", "start_time": "32:01", "text": "You need to have a range of internal, intrinsic natural resources." }, { "end_time": "32:12", "start_time": "32:08", "text": "You need a well organized internal system, both in terms of your private and public sector." }, { "end_time": "32:14", "start_time": "32:12", "text": "You need a relatively educated and capable population." }, { "end_time": "32:27", "start_time": "32:16", "text": "And and and so, you know, there are certain economies, and I'd point to the Russian economy as one that, you know, you wouldn't hear about as the most exciting place to go and move to and, you know, take a tech job and all of that." }, { "end_time": "32:38", "start_time": "32:27", "text": "But, like, that nation can sustain a 20 year conflict, and that's a different form of resilience than, you know, say, some western models of purely capitalist societies." }, { "end_time": "32:52", "start_time": "32:38", "text": "And so but coming back to Bangladesh, I think that that that Sheikh Hasina's rule, it turns out, was always more fraught than we in India thought." }, { "end_time": "32:55", "start_time": "32:52", "text": "So the narrative we got here was one-sided?" }, { "end_time": "33:03", "start_time": "32:56", "text": "This goes and be to the point that, a lot of the material that we consume nowadays is telling more of a story than delivering facts." }, { "end_time": "33:03", "start_time": "33:03", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "33:27", "start_time": "33:04", "text": "And I'm sure you've covered this with other guests, but it's becoming increasingly a challenge that each of us needs to take up ourselves to make sure that we're not ending up self propagandizing ourselves by making certain choices online in terms of the kind of content we consume, thereby encouraging the algorithm to give us only one type of content and, you know, subconsciously ending up stopping to question our sources." }, { "end_time": "33:34", "start_time": "33:27", "text": "And so, you know, the narrative in India on Bangladesh, I'll be very honest with you." }, { "end_time": "33:37", "start_time": "33:34", "text": "My general opinion has been India's never cared enough." }, { "end_time": "33:50", "start_time": "33:38", "text": "If you really had to critique the Indian perspective on Bangladesh, what I'd say is that it is appalling that we've managed to go and give birth to a country in 1970, 71 and failed to truly exercise hegemony over it." }, { "end_time": "33:51", "start_time": "33:50", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "33:56", "start_time": "33:51", "text": "And it's the same feeling that we see in Nepal where there's been a sort of, you know, Maoist led Chinese influence takeover." }, { "end_time": "34:01", "start_time": "33:57", "text": "It's the same feeling in Pakistan where we've where we've historically had no influence at all." }, { "end_time": "34:09", "start_time": "34:01", "text": "It's the same feeling in Sri Lanka where we've, you know, again, allowed other powers to come and become as powerful and influential in our neighborhood as we have." }, { "end_time": "34:18", "start_time": "34:09", "text": "And now we have with the departure of Sheikh Hasina effectively another relatively, if not unfriendly, at least not a power with whom we have deep influence." }, { "end_time": "34:24", "start_time": "34:18", "text": "And so the big challenge from the Indian perspective is that how is it that we're unable to wield influence even in our immediate neighborhood." }, { "end_time": "34:28", "start_time": "34:27", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "34:30", "start_time": "34:29", "text": "This is kind of an conversation." }, { "end_time": "34:33", "start_time": "34:32", "text": "It's going in that realm." }, { "end_time": "34:33", "start_time": "34:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:52", "start_time": "34:33", "text": "Well, I mean, that's a very again, you know, we need to we need to cover public international law and the notion of sovereignty and, you know, the fact that expansionist sort of traditional expansionist powers are really no longer the way nations operate." }, { "end_time": "35:02", "start_time": "34:52", "text": "The way we compete, the way we will influence, the way we, you know, play the game, play the great game is very different, from back in the day." }, { "end_time": "35:02", "start_time": "35:02", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "35:09", "start_time": "35:03", "text": "It's no longer necessarily about let's launch an invasion across the border and, you know, go and take more land." }, { "end_time": "35:14", "start_time": "35:09", "text": "It's more about how do we go and, you know, as I say, will influence, through the political class?" }, { "end_time": "35:17", "start_time": "35:14", "text": "How do we go and own the most important assets?" }, { "end_time": "35:22", "start_time": "35:17", "text": "How do we dominate the most important areas of economic, activity?" }, { "end_time": "35:22", "start_time": "35:22", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "35:35", "start_time": "35:22", "text": "I mean, so so so given the amount the world has changed, one doesn't necessarily any longer as a as a policymaker, as a strategist, think purely in terms of, you know, let's tank you know, let's send tanks across the border." }, { "end_time": "35:43", "start_time": "35:35", "text": "Although given what's happening in Ukraine, that is still a part of, what's going on, but it's a very, very particular set of circumstances that leads to that." }, { "end_time": "35:44", "start_time": "35:43", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "35:51", "start_time": "35:45", "text": "The explanation I gave about the recent events, would you like to add anything to that, the student protests?" }, { "end_time": "35:52", "start_time": "35:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:55", "start_time": "35:52", "text": "So in fact, I, you know, I did want to address the point about, reservations." }, { "end_time": "35:56", "start_time": "35:55", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "36:01", "start_time": "35:56", "text": "And, you know, it really paints that story of the 2 social streams in Bangladesh." }, { "end_time": "36:02", "start_time": "36:01", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "36:15", "start_time": "36:02", "text": "A number of people that felt excluded from Bangladeshi society, like an entire section of their population effectively, that felt excluded because they didn't feel a part of the independence movement." }, { "end_time": "36:15", "start_time": "36:15", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "36:23", "start_time": "36:15", "text": "So what so this reservation issue, I think, ended up becoming emblematic of the fact that Bangladeshi society seemed to be dominated by just one generation." }, { "end_time": "36:43", "start_time": "36:24", "text": "And, you know, the part of society in 70, 71 that decided to fight, and as we know with all these issues with the lack of records and all that, who's taking advantage of some freedom fighter card and who's not and which is a real story and which is not really a, you know, a real story, etcetera, becomes very, very complicated very quickly." }, { "end_time": "36:46", "start_time": "36:43", "text": "But, you know, for me, the important thing is this." }, { "end_time": "36:53", "start_time": "36:47", "text": "If you look at the reservation issue in Bangladesh, it wasn't just Sheikh Hasina's government has been in power for 15 years." }, { "end_time": "36:57", "start_time": "36:53", "text": "She wants to, you know, line the pockets of her voters." }, { "end_time": "36:59", "start_time": "36:57", "text": "Therefore, this policy exists." }, { "end_time": "37:01", "start_time": "36:59", "text": "For 15 years, people have been screening against it." }, { "end_time": "37:02", "start_time": "37:01", "text": "Nothing's happened." }, { "end_time": "37:05", "start_time": "37:02", "text": "And finally, out of sheer frustration, they came out onto the streets." }, { "end_time": "37:06", "start_time": "37:05", "text": "That is not the story." }, { "end_time": "37:09", "start_time": "37:06", "text": "The reality is that the government's gone back and forth." }, { "end_time": "37:10", "start_time": "37:09", "text": "There's been a political process." }, { "end_time": "37:20", "start_time": "37:10", "text": "There's even been a legal process, and various courts in Bangladesh have found both for and against this reservation policy from the perspective of the Bangladeshi constitution." }, { "end_time": "37:27", "start_time": "37:20", "text": "Now we might criticize all of that, but the reality is that that is demo is democratic process in action." }, { "end_time": "37:29", "start_time": "37:27", "text": "That's democracy as it's meant to be." }, { "end_time": "37:31", "start_time": "37:29", "text": "That's meant to be discussion." }, { "end_time": "37:31", "start_time": "37:31", "text": "We agree." }, { "end_time": "37:32", "start_time": "37:31", "text": "We disagree." }, { "end_time": "37:33", "start_time": "37:32", "text": "This policy can be improved." }, { "end_time": "37:35", "start_time": "37:33", "text": "I'm gonna go challenge it in court." }, { "end_time": "37:39", "start_time": "37:35", "text": "I'm gonna challenge it at the and try to change government through an electoral process." }, { "end_time": "37:47", "start_time": "37:39", "text": "And instead of any of that, at the end of the day, you know, ended up being ousted purely through street violence." }, { "end_time": "37:50", "start_time": "37:48", "text": "And that for sure is not a democratic process." }, { "end_time": "38:00", "start_time": "37:50", "text": "And so, you know, I think that this issue of the, of the reservations ended up becoming the straw that breaks the camel's back as it were." }, { "end_time": "38:06", "start_time": "38:00", "text": "I think there were far deeper cultural questions that I think a lot of countries answering all over the world." }, { "end_time": "38:07", "start_time": "38:06", "text": "Let me know." }, { "end_time": "38:12", "start_time": "38:07", "text": "I think a major one in Bangladesh is, are they an Islamic nation, or are they a secular one?" }, { "end_time": "38:27", "start_time": "38:12", "text": "And so in many ways, Sheikh Hasina represented the Mujib, you know, almost Mujibism, and it is called Mujibism, this secular socialist big tent party that think of it as the Congress of India." }, { "end_time": "38:28", "start_time": "38:27", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "38:41", "start_time": "38:29", "text": "And her ouster might be might be, representative of a takeover of a more muscularly Islamist ideology." }, { "end_time": "38:46", "start_time": "38:41", "text": "And to the sort of, you know, careful observers of Bangladesh, even over the last 20 years, you could see the signs." }, { "end_time": "38:49", "start_time": "38:46", "text": "You had the occasional arm being chopped off." }, { "end_time": "38:52", "start_time": "38:49", "text": "You had the occasional blasphemy, controversy." }, { "end_time": "39:01", "start_time": "38:52", "text": "You had the occasional minority oppression incident where you could see that, look, not dissimilarly to Pakistan, mobs can gather and cause street violence very easily in Bangladesh." }, { "end_time": "39:12", "start_time": "39:02", "text": "And what you finally saw was that same potential ending up realizing itself at such a scale that, Sheikh Hasina had to flee." }, { "end_time": "39:12", "start_time": "39:12", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "39:16", "start_time": "39:14", "text": "PM Modi's been in power for the last 10 years." }, { "end_time": "39:21", "start_time": "39:17", "text": "Shay Kasina has been in latest stint for the last 15 years." }, { "end_time": "39:21", "start_time": "39:21", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "39:24", "start_time": "39:21", "text": "What was their equation over the years?" }, { "end_time": "39:29", "start_time": "39:25", "text": "Why has Shay Kasina been given a shelter in India?" }, { "end_time": "39:39", "start_time": "39:29", "text": "And the question I'd like for you to answer first is, could you give me 4 things that are going on within PM Modi's mind right now?" }, { "end_time": "39:42", "start_time": "39:39", "text": "And, of course, I use PM Modi as a Indian policy maker." }, { "end_time": "39:42", "start_time": "39:42", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "39:44", "start_time": "39:42", "text": "Metaphor for probably the whole cabinet." }, { "end_time": "39:44", "start_time": "39:44", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "39:45", "start_time": "39:44", "text": "The Indian government." }, { "end_time": "39:46", "start_time": "39:45", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "39:46", "start_time": "39:46", "text": "Look." }, { "end_time": "39:52", "start_time": "39:47", "text": "I think, in many ways, we've been a little bit blindsided by this." }, { "end_time": "39:56", "start_time": "39:52", "text": "By we, I mean, the foreign ministry or government in general." }, { "end_time": "40:05", "start_time": "39:56", "text": "I think that we were relying on Sheikh Hasina's government being a stalwart partner for India, but I think we took it for granted a little bit." }, { "end_time": "40:24", "start_time": "40:06", "text": "I mean, that's the only explanation I can give you not being a policymaker myself that given, the importance of Bangladesh, if it goes badly, But the lack of importance of Bangladesh if the status quo is maintained, there was insufficient attention being paid by Indian policymakers to these issues in Bangladesh." }, { "end_time": "40:29", "start_time": "40:24", "text": "And so all of a sudden, we're kind of left with this, I think, slightly shocked position of like, oh my god." }, { "end_time": "40:32", "start_time": "40:29", "text": "This happened as quickly as it did." }, { "end_time": "40:42", "start_time": "40:34", "text": "Because I think India and, you know, doctor ministry has been focused on, bigger fish to fry as they say." }, { "end_time": "40:42", "start_time": "40:42", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "40:45", "start_time": "40:42", "text": "So they've been focused on a lot of other policy objectives that they've had." }, { "end_time": "40:50", "start_time": "40:45", "text": "And Bangladesh, I don't think simply merited as much attention as now we realize it might have required." }, { "end_time": "41:01", "start_time": "40:52", "text": "The main things going on in Delhi today given what has occurred is, you know, what I would call scenario analysis." }, { "end_time": "41:01", "start_time": "41:01", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "41:09", "start_time": "41:01", "text": "So what are the various scenarios could you know, that could occur in the next few months in Bangladesh from good through to disastrous?" }, { "end_time": "41:15", "start_time": "41:10", "text": "What will the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th order consequences be basis with scenario occurs?" }, { "end_time": "41:20", "start_time": "41:16", "text": "And what, therefore, you know, should the Indian policy response be accordingly?" }, { "end_time": "41:29", "start_time": "41:21", "text": "And I think there's there's definitely concern that, you know, India can ill afford a highly unstable neighborhood." }, { "end_time": "41:34", "start_time": "41:30", "text": "The neighborhood is becoming increasingly unstable now in all directions." }, { "end_time": "41:40", "start_time": "41:34", "text": "You know, a lot of nationalistic views, and I'm, you know, I'm nationalist." }, { "end_time": "41:47", "start_time": "41:40", "text": "But a lot of nationalistic views end up sort of feeling a sense of satisfaction with bad news coming out of Pakistan, for example." }, { "end_time": "41:57", "start_time": "41:47", "text": "We really shouldn't because the single most dangerous outcome for India is through societal collapse in Pakistan, in Sri Lanka, in Bangladesh, or in Nepal." }, { "end_time": "42:02", "start_time": "41:58", "text": "True societal collapse inevitably is going to end up being a negative for India." }, { "end_time": "42:22", "start_time": "42:03", "text": "So in many ways, and ironically, shoring up these regimes even at the cost of, you know, maybe Indian ideology or Indian policy and kind of, you know, getting into bed with people that we may not agree with, it's really important for us to just make sure that there's at least sufficient stability in the immediate neighborhood that we're not devolving into total anarchy." }, { "end_time": "42:25", "start_time": "42:23", "text": "What's an outcome of societal collapse in the neighborhood?" }, { "end_time": "42:38", "start_time": "42:25", "text": "So, Pramir, the best example that I can give you of a potential societal collapse in our neighborhood and consequences, you know, on India and on the region, at large is Pakistan." }, { "end_time": "42:42", "start_time": "42:39", "text": "Consider, the current status in Pakistan." }, { "end_time": "42:49", "start_time": "42:43", "text": "You have a Pakistan that in many ways, is on the brink of societal disaster." }, { "end_time": "43:04", "start_time": "42:51", "text": "If you pay attention to what's going on in that country, you've got the rise of regionalism, you know, Sindh, Balochistan, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, the northwest, Gilgit Baltistan, and then Punjab." }, { "end_time": "43:12", "start_time": "43:05", "text": "And in many ways, Punjab has been, the source of, elite power in Pakistan." }, { "end_time": "43:15", "start_time": "43:12", "text": "Punjabi society is typically dominated mainstream Pakistan." }, { "end_time": "43:25", "start_time": "43:16", "text": "And so, you can see a path towards social disintegration in Pakistan and the breakup of the nation quite realistically." }, { "end_time": "43:35", "start_time": "43:25", "text": "And given more than anything else that Pakistan is a nuclear power, that is an absolute disaster, I would say, at a global level, not just a regional level." }, { "end_time": "43:53", "start_time": "43:37", "text": "You know, the consequences could include everything from a full blown civil war right across our border, which will inevitably leak through the borders border in Rajasthan, Punjab, and Kashmir, cause real instability in our border states." }, { "end_time": "44:08", "start_time": "43:54", "text": "Typically, you know, instability, right next to you means criminal gangs, smuggling, you know, the illegal movement of people, the infiltration of terrorists and bad actors starts to become increasingly problematic." }, { "end_time": "44:19", "start_time": "44:09", "text": "And so in many ways, having a stable regime across the border is the single greatest protection you can have from, effectively having leaked instability coming into India as well." }, { "end_time": "44:31", "start_time": "44:20", "text": "The narrative that I've received on the show until this point in the whole podcasting journey is that Pakistan's always been difficult as a neighbor when it comes to India." }, { "end_time": "44:40", "start_time": "44:32", "text": "So are you saying that perhaps in the next 5 to 10 years with the increasing instability in Pakistan, they're gonna be an even worse neighbor?" }, { "end_time": "44:42", "start_time": "44:41", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "44:53", "start_time": "44:42", "text": "Unfortunately, and, you know, this is truly ironic, but, as Indians, we should really be hoping and praying, for the success of Pakistan." }, { "end_time": "44:57", "start_time": "44:54", "text": "Because in 2024, they've ceased to be a serious threat." }, { "end_time": "45:16", "start_time": "44:58", "text": "The fact that we allowed them to develop nuclear weapons back in the seventies eighties and, you know, they tested soon after us in the nineties is one of those great generational failures of Indian foreign and security and strategic policy, which has sort of permanently established a a a nuclear deterrent vis a vis Pakistan." }, { "end_time": "45:21", "start_time": "45:16", "text": "It's really tied our hands in terms of the policy responses that we have available to us." }, { "end_time": "45:33", "start_time": "45:21", "text": "And so the Pakistani strategy for a long time has been use the nuclear umbrella to blackmail India into being unresponsive to the death by a 1000 cut strategy that they're pursuing through asymmetric warfare." }, { "end_time": "45:34", "start_time": "45:34", "text": "You'll have to break that." }, { "end_time": "45:41", "start_time": "45:36", "text": "It's a very, very simple strategic, position from the Pakistanis." }, { "end_time": "46:10", "start_time": "45:41", "text": "They recognize their conventional inferiority to India back in the day, having tried to fight, 3 wars, you know, 48, 65, 71, and then obviously, Kargil, and pursued nuclear weapons effectively as a strategic deterrent, I e, a weapon that allows them to say to India, if you take a war, a conventional war with us too far and so I've laughingly described the Pakistani Army strategy as the strategy." }, { "end_time": "46:15", "start_time": "46:13", "text": "And and and and it's kind of true." }, { "end_time": "46:18", "start_time": "46:15", "text": "The message that they send to India is, boss, you never know." }, { "end_time": "46:20", "start_time": "46:18", "text": "We might just push the button." }, { "end_time": "46:23", "start_time": "46:20", "text": "So, effectively, it's their insurance policy, and that's fine." }, { "end_time": "46:29", "start_time": "46:23", "text": "A lot of nations, including Israel, use nuclear weapons, including India, as an insurance policy." }, { "end_time": "46:32", "start_time": "46:29", "text": "Now look at the distinction between India's nuclear policy and Pakistan's." }, { "end_time": "46:37", "start_time": "46:33", "text": "Pakistan says categorically, we may use nuclear weapons first." }, { "end_time": "46:42", "start_time": "46:38", "text": "India, by contrast, has a no first strike policy established and published." }, { "end_time": "46:43", "start_time": "46:43", "text": "So India says, yes." }, { "end_time": "46:51", "start_time": "46:43", "text": "We're a nuclear power, but we're a very responsible nuclear power, and we won't use nuclear weapons unless nuclear weapons are used on us first." }, { "end_time": "47:10", "start_time": "46:52", "text": "Now the reason Pakistan, has maintained the first strike policy is so that they can effectively prevent India from responding militarily to the cross border militancy that they've been supporting both in Kashmir and more broadly in India for the last 30 odd years." }, { "end_time": "47:14", "start_time": "47:10", "text": "And so that's what I meant by Pakistan's death by a 1,000 cut strategy." }, { "end_time": "47:14", "start_time": "47:14", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "47:35", "start_time": "47:14", "text": "So they you know, whether it's creating instability in Kashmir or creating instability in Punjab or, facilitating terrorism and Islamic separatism all over our country, Those were asymmetric strategies where Pakistan doesn't actually go toe to toe with us and start a major war, but instead, they kind of try to eat us from the inside through those sorts of strategies." }, { "end_time": "47:44", "start_time": "47:35", "text": "And the only reason they're able to continue to escalate with those sorts of strategies is because they have their ultimate nuclear umbrella to say that, what are you gonna do?" }, { "end_time": "47:52", "start_time": "47:44", "text": "So, you know, you said something along the lines of, it was a failure of our external affairs ministry back then in 1971." }, { "end_time": "48:10", "start_time": "47:53", "text": "The narrative I have got about Pakistan until this point is that, up till the time of the Cargill war, they were heavily kind of wink wink supported by America over all those years in order to build a strong opponent against the rising power of India." }, { "end_time": "48:14", "start_time": "48:10", "text": "So what could we have done to take on America back in the 19 seventies?" }, { "end_time": "48:15", "start_time": "48:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:16", "start_time": "48:15", "text": "I mean, okay." }, { "end_time": "48:18", "start_time": "48:16", "text": "So there's a lot to unpack in that." }, { "end_time": "48:18", "start_time": "48:18", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "48:26", "start_time": "48:18", "text": "So so so and we might actually be able to come back to Bangladesh as well because that's an example of where India did do something despite American opposition." }, { "end_time": "48:30", "start_time": "48:27", "text": "So, again, you're absolutely correct." }, { "end_time": "48:46", "start_time": "48:30", "text": "In the early years after the independence of India and Pakistan, Pakistan ended up becoming very close to the United States at a strategic level, at a military level, and received significant amounts of economic aid as well." }, { "end_time": "48:52", "start_time": "48:47", "text": "India was formally nonaligned, but was quite close to the Soviet Union." }, { "end_time": "49:00", "start_time": "48:53", "text": "Nehruvian policies had a little bit of a socialist tinge to them, which made them quite unpopular in the west and quite popular in the Soviet Union." }, { "end_time": "49:07", "start_time": "49:01", "text": "And, you know, what that led to, of course, was was a rapid rise in Pakistan's economic outcomes." }, { "end_time": "49:17", "start_time": "49:07", "text": "If you look at the first 10, 15, 20 years after independence, you actually see the Pakistani economy outperforms the Indian economy by leaps and bounds." }, { "end_time": "49:25", "start_time": "49:18", "text": "Pakistan started to consider itself to be a technologically advanced military, a capitalist society, an economic powerhouse." }, { "end_time": "49:28", "start_time": "49:25", "text": "They're really enjoying American patronage." }, { "end_time": "49:34", "start_time": "49:30", "text": "The context of American support to Pakistan is very much driven by the Cold War." }, { "end_time": "49:48", "start_time": "49:35", "text": "They saw India as a pseudo socialist Soviet Union leaning power and felt the need to balance off by having a major ally in the subcontinent that they could call their own." }, { "end_time": "49:55", "start_time": "49:48", "text": "And the fact is in me that American foreign policy throughout the Cold War, expressed realpolitik." }, { "end_time": "49:59", "start_time": "49:56", "text": "What realpolitik means is that you put ideology aside." }, { "end_time": "50:00", "start_time": "49:59", "text": "You put values aside." }, { "end_time": "50:02", "start_time": "50:00", "text": "You put democracy aside." }, { "end_time": "50:06", "start_time": "50:02", "text": "You put human rights and, you know, civilian rule aside." }, { "end_time": "50:13", "start_time": "50:06", "text": "You sort of stop caring about everything that America represents from an ideological or values perspective and focus only on outcomes." }, { "end_time": "50:18", "start_time": "50:14", "text": "So the Soviets have invaded Afghanistan, in 1979." }, { "end_time": "50:21", "start_time": "50:19", "text": "The Americans want to figure out a way to respond." }, { "end_time": "50:27", "start_time": "50:22", "text": "The only nation that's available, and and and willing is Pakistan." }, { "end_time": "50:36", "start_time": "50:28", "text": "So it is a very tactical thing that we need Pakistan to be an ally because we want to be able to interfere with the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan." }, { "end_time": "50:44", "start_time": "50:36", "text": "Hence, the creation of the Mujahid groups, hence the funding received from the United States and Saudi Arabia, hence, effectively, the creation of the modern day Taliban." }, { "end_time": "50:56", "start_time": "50:44", "text": "The Taliban is effectively the name given to the organization that was formed by the Afghan freedom fighters who, with American and Pakistani support, ended up fighting off the Soviet Union between 79 and 89." }, { "end_time": "50:58", "start_time": "50:57", "text": "And so, you know, you're right." }, { "end_time": "51:01", "start_time": "50:58", "text": "There is a history of American patronage to Pakistan." }, { "end_time": "51:09", "start_time": "51:01", "text": "There's also equally an uncomfortable history of diplomatic awkwardness between India and the United States for exactly that reason." }, { "end_time": "51:38", "start_time": "51:13", "text": "A lot has changed since the end of the American intervention in Afghanistan most recently because sort of round 2 of Pakistan becoming a mission critical partner for the Americans started after 911 when the Americans had to kind of go back into Afghanistan and this time themselves, and Pakistan ended up becoming a key ally in America being able to prosecute their war in Afghanistan." }, { "end_time": "51:51", "start_time": "51:39", "text": "The most fascinating, aspect of that period in history when the Americans were in Afghanistan, so think from 2,001 till they left a few years ago, was the double game that the Pakistanis were able to play." }, { "end_time": "52:12", "start_time": "51:51", "text": "They were effectively able to, on the one hand, say we're mission critical to your operations in Afghanistan, and at the same time, were able to funnel a part of the funding that they were receiving to support American, troops in Afghanistan to organizations like the Haqqani network and certain parts of the Taliban that enjoyed safe haven in Pakistan." }, { "end_time": "52:29", "start_time": "52:13", "text": "So, fascinatingly, the US Pakistani relationship itself has become quite complicated for that reason because American policymakers ended up realizing that, you know, yes, we need the Pakistani establishment in order to be able to support the troops in Afghanistan." }, { "end_time": "52:45", "start_time": "52:29", "text": "But at the same time, it's clear that our main enemy in Afghanistan, the power that has prevented Afghanistan from actually being reconstructed and transforming itself into a secular society, effectively, the power responsible for the failure of the American mission in Afghanistan is also Pakistan." }, { "end_time": "52:57", "start_time": "52:46", "text": "Even more ironically, Ranir, since the departure of the Americans, Pakistan has suffered dramatically the consequences of their own actions in Afghanistan." }, { "end_time": "53:12", "start_time": "52:58", "text": "So, you know, what you see in general is, the tactical use of religious fervor, whether by the Americans when they wanted to have Mujahid fighting the Soviets or whether by the Pakistanis when they wanted to, you know, cause problems for the Americans in Afghanistan." }, { "end_time": "53:19", "start_time": "53:13", "text": "If you end up supporting extremist ideologies, those ideologies often can come back to cause you serious problems." }, { "end_time": "53:29", "start_time": "53:19", "text": "And that's exactly what the Pakistanis are now experiencing, where in their border regions with Afghanistan, they're rapidly starting to see the establishment of a Pakistani Taliban." }, { "end_time": "53:45", "start_time": "53:29", "text": "So I don't know if you've tracked this, Ranvir, but a lot of the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa region now is not only no longer controlled by the Pakistani state, but is effectively policed and governed by the Tehrik Taliban Pakistan, which is the Pakistani sister organization of the Afghan Taliban." }, { "end_time": "53:47", "start_time": "53:46", "text": "Who who wants what?" }, { "end_time": "53:55", "start_time": "53:48", "text": "Who are looking to establish a Sharia based Islamic society in the whole of Pakistan." }, { "end_time": "54:08", "start_time": "53:57", "text": "And so you have now the dangers and the risks of a Islamist revolution occurring across Pakistani society." }, { "end_time": "54:16", "start_time": "54:09", "text": "For the last 15 years or so, the Pakistan army has managed to suppress such issues by making them border skirmishes." }, { "end_time": "54:18", "start_time": "54:16", "text": "You know, there's something happening at the Afghan border." }, { "end_time": "54:19", "start_time": "54:18", "text": "It's not reaching Lahore." }, { "end_time": "54:20", "start_time": "54:19", "text": "It's not reaching Karachi." }, { "end_time": "54:21", "start_time": "54:20", "text": "It's not coming to Raul Pindi." }, { "end_time": "54:22", "start_time": "54:21", "text": "It's not going to Islamabad." }, { "end_time": "54:24", "start_time": "54:23", "text": "That's changing dramatically." }, { "end_time": "54:36", "start_time": "54:24", "text": "And the real shift that you see in Pakistani politics is actually with the rise of Imran Khan, who in many ways represented a legitimate political wing of this kind of Islamist ideology." }, { "end_time": "54:41", "start_time": "54:36", "text": "You can see that Imran Khan has very close relationships with some of the senior leaders of the Pakistani Taliban." }, { "end_time": "54:43", "start_time": "54:42", "text": "He himself is a Pathan." }, { "end_time": "54:45", "start_time": "54:43", "text": "He comes from that region." }, { "end_time": "54:48", "start_time": "54:45", "text": "And Pathans ultimately from an ethnic perspective are Afghan." }, { "end_time": "55:27", "start_time": "54:48", "text": "And so in many ways, you're seeing, this this ouster of Imran Khan, his jailing, the re arrival of Nawaz Sharif, and the establishment of this kind of mainstream establishment political party, and and and and government in Pakistan is, certain powers that be, perhaps even the United States, recognizing that this is becoming an increasingly dangerous situation in Pakistan and a truly, you know, Islamic ideology might take over the main reigns of government itself, which is why they had to get rid of Imran Khan and make sure that a, more traditional Pakistani elite took over government again." }, { "end_time": "55:32", "start_time": "55:27", "text": "Does the Bangladesh situation mean anything to the Pakistani government?" }, { "end_time": "55:35", "start_time": "55:33", "text": "You know, it's a very it's a very interesting question." }, { "end_time": "55:43", "start_time": "55:35", "text": "I mean, obviously, you've you've you've you've raised already the, conspiracy theories on the Internet surrounding, the Americans being involved in Bangladesh." }, { "end_time": "55:50", "start_time": "55:43", "text": "And given everything I've just said about American intervention in Pakistan, why would it not be possible that the Americans are involved in Bangladesh as well?" }, { "end_time": "55:54", "start_time": "55:51", "text": "You know, what I'd say there, Anvir, is is is I'm not convinced." }, { "end_time": "56:06", "start_time": "55:54", "text": "I'm not convinced that, you know, the Americans have executed this as a plot to get rid of Sheikh Hasina in order to be able to get access to military bases." }, { "end_time": "56:10", "start_time": "56:06", "text": "You know, I've heard reference to, the island of Saint Martin, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "56:13", "start_time": "56:10", "text": "And the reason I'm not convinced by that is the following." }, { "end_time": "56:28", "start_time": "56:13", "text": "Number 1, there seems to be no historical evidence of deep American influence on the Bangladeshi government the way we have historical evidence of the deepest amount of influence being able to be wielded on the West Pakistani government, which the Americans have always managed to do." }, { "end_time": "56:39", "start_time": "56:28", "text": "There are no American military bases in Bangladesh, and there's really no evidence of the American policy establishment even being as focused on Bangladesh as they have been on Pakistan." }, { "end_time": "56:51", "start_time": "56:40", "text": "2nd, I think it's very likely that a leader like Sheikh Hasina, ended up in one of those, delusions of hubris." }, { "end_time": "57:05", "start_time": "56:51", "text": "You know, with the best of intention being the daughter of Sheikh Mujib, being a secularist, believing in the sort of India model of development, you know, build a strong economy, have relatively socialist policies, be inclusive, include all your communities." }, { "end_time": "57:08", "start_time": "57:06", "text": "She would have had all of that, I think, as genuine intent." }, { "end_time": "57:12", "start_time": "57:08", "text": "I think she was a sincere Bangladeshi national in the mold of her father." }, { "end_time": "57:28", "start_time": "57:13", "text": "But I think she may also have completely lost touch with the realities on the ground and ended up, representing, as I say, a more authoritarian form of government that is less open to dissent, less open to other voices than one would think." }, { "end_time": "57:50", "start_time": "57:28", "text": "And so the fact that she ended up unceremoniously being kind of booted out of the country with only 45 minutes to get onto a plane, I'm not surprised that a leader who has ruled a country sort of with an iron fist for 15 years would look for herself a conspiracy theory to justify how this has happened." }, { "end_time": "57:54", "start_time": "57:50", "text": "You know, I'll give you the example of, you know, sheikh Mujib himself." }, { "end_time": "58:02", "start_time": "57:54", "text": "Indian intelligence agencies had given him information about a potential coup, and he he had shrugged it off saying my own people would never do that to me." }, { "end_time": "58:06", "start_time": "58:02", "text": "And then he ended up being shot with his entire family by that same coup a few days later." }, { "end_time": "58:24", "start_time": "58:07", "text": "I think similarly, Sheikh Hasina may have gotten into a into a mindset that made her feel that if there are mass protests against my rule, if people are really unable to accept my rule, it's likely that there are foreign powers behind it." }, { "end_time": "58:41", "start_time": "58:24", "text": "And so, you know, without, knowing obviously what she knows, my sense would be that it's less likely, that the Americans are single handedly responsible for Sheikh Hasina's ouster." }, { "end_time": "58:50", "start_time": "58:41", "text": "It's much more likely that America is merely one small factor among, you know, many authentic local factors, that led to this." }, { "end_time": "58:58", "start_time": "58:51", "text": "I'm gonna try digging deep into the realm of conspiracy theories a little bit for the sake of understanding this conversation better." }, { "end_time": "59:07", "start_time": "58:59", "text": "There's a documentary called The Social Dilemma, which spoke about how social media is responsible for polarizing the whole world, which is a theory I'm deeply convinced about." }, { "end_time": "59:16", "start_time": "59:07", "text": "And I think that one can only break out of that sense of polarization through conscious self effort, but you can't expect that from the masses of any country, be it America, Bangladesh, Japan, whatever." }, { "end_time": "59:18", "start_time": "59:16", "text": "I think the whole world is becoming a little more polarized." }, { "end_time": "59:35", "start_time": "59:19", "text": "And especially in situations like, whatever we saw in Bangladesh over the last month, I think social media has played a role in terms of, elevating emotions and elevating fervor that led to this kind of a protest throughout the nation." }, { "end_time": "59:54", "start_time": "59:35", "text": "I think the conspiracy theory associated with, America in Bangladesh is that could it be that America wanted the removal of Sheikh Hasina in order to kind of softly take over Bangladesh, and make them a bit of a colony?" }, { "end_time": "59:58", "start_time": "59:55", "text": "Was Bangladesh just getting too strong because of Sheikh Hasina's presence?" }, { "end_time": "1:00:02", "start_time": "1:00:00", "text": "You know, something along these lines." }, { "end_time": "1:00:02", "start_time": "1:00:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:00:10", "start_time": "1:00:03", "text": "Therefore, did America affect the social media within Bangladesh to escalate that situation?" }, { "end_time": "1:00:10", "start_time": "1:00:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:00:18", "start_time": "1:00:11", "text": "This is not my thought process, but this is where the conspiracy theories arise from." }, { "end_time": "1:00:19", "start_time": "1:00:19", "text": "No?" }, { "end_time": "1:00:21", "start_time": "1:00:19", "text": "You wanna talk about Saint Martin's Island?" }, { "end_time": "1:00:21", "start_time": "1:00:21", "text": "Anything?" }, { "end_time": "1:00:22", "start_time": "1:00:22", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:00:41", "start_time": "1:00:22", "text": "So so so look, firstly, I mean, there's no there's no doubt that the power of technology today has has allowed for spontaneous transmission of inflammatory material to lead to sudden, social upheaval." }, { "end_time": "1:00:54", "start_time": "1:00:42", "text": "And you see this with the number of revolutions over the last decade that have occurred in Egypt and other parts of the Muslim world, in Ukraine in 2014, and in Bangladesh today." }, { "end_time": "1:01:12", "start_time": "1:00:55", "text": "So there's definitely a rule that can be ascribed to the fact that, you know, before the rise of, you know, social media and tech that really allows for an idea to spread like wildfire, you know, virality as we talk about, it was difficult to just get the message across." }, { "end_time": "1:01:23", "start_time": "1:01:12", "text": "You almost had a natural dampener for these sorts of social upheavals that people just wouldn't hear the message at the scale and at the pace, that you need for true social upheaval to occur." }, { "end_time": "1:01:24", "start_time": "1:01:23", "text": "Now you've got that ability." }, { "end_time": "1:01:24", "start_time": "1:01:24", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:41", "start_time": "1:01:24", "text": "You've got the tools that if you get the message right and if there's some, you know, existing frustration that you're tapping into, you can cause, a poor, uneducated population, to resort to extremes and violence." }, { "end_time": "1:01:45", "start_time": "1:01:43", "text": "That said, let's test the theory." }, { "end_time": "1:01:45", "start_time": "1:01:45", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:59", "start_time": "1:01:45", "text": "Let's be open to the theory that the Americans have gone out of their way as a matter of policy to influence the way this tool of social media is being deployed in Bangladesh to cause the outroshakers, you know, for some strategic purpose." }, { "end_time": "1:01:59", "start_time": "1:01:59", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:03", "start_time": "1:01:59", "text": "That's Could we first talk about the possible strategic purpose?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:03", "start_time": "1:02:03", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "1:02:14", "start_time": "1:02:03", "text": "And so the way I was going to test whether or not, you know, that's a likely possibility is to ask myself, what could America's strategic purpose be, and how much of a priority would that strategic purpose be?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:15", "start_time": "1:02:14", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:20", "start_time": "1:02:15", "text": "I mean, is this like a, top three thing that American policymakers are thinking about?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:23", "start_time": "1:02:20", "text": "Like, what's going on in Bangladesh, or is it not?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:32", "start_time": "1:02:23", "text": "And, I mean, my first answer is, especially given what's going on in the world, I really doubt anyone high up there in the US government, was paying attention to what's going on in Bangladesh." }, { "end_time": "1:02:39", "start_time": "1:02:33", "text": "I don't think that American hard or soft power is affected at a global level whether Sheikh Hasina is in power or not." }, { "end_time": "1:02:56", "start_time": "1:02:40", "text": "You know, if you just take a step back and look at the dashboard for an American policymaker today, they have a major war in Europe against their only, you know, sort of great power, adversary, Russia." }, { "end_time": "1:03:01", "start_time": "1:02:58", "text": "They have an incredibly unstable Middle East." }, { "end_time": "1:03:08", "start_time": "1:03:03", "text": "Again, a tinderbox waiting to explore, especially given recent events, over there." }, { "end_time": "1:03:22", "start_time": "1:03:09", "text": "And in Asia, they have a resurgent China that, in many ways, didn't enjoy significant influence in Bangladesh precisely because of Sheikh Hasina." }, { "end_time": "1:03:32", "start_time": "1:03:22", "text": "So it is the Bangladeshi opposition that actually, one could argue, has closer ties to the Chinese rather than Sheikh Hasina who clearly had much closer ties to the Indians." }, { "end_time": "1:03:38", "start_time": "1:03:33", "text": "And so this is, again, pure speculation because I'm surely not an American, you know, foreign policy maker." }, { "end_time": "1:03:49", "start_time": "1:03:39", "text": "But my analysis would be that, you know, given the geopolitical context in 2024, the Americans are heavily invested in India's success." }, { "end_time": "1:04:04", "start_time": "1:03:50", "text": "And so I would be very surprised if the Americans would go after an Indian ally in Bangladesh in order to create instability on the Indian border, especially given the Bangladeshi opposition is quite close to China." }, { "end_time": "1:04:15", "start_time": "1:04:04", "text": "And so, you know, it feels to me much more in American strategic interests to have a strong and closely allied Bangladesh to India." }, { "end_time": "1:04:17", "start_time": "1:04:15", "text": "What about China's strategic interest?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:18", "start_time": "1:04:18", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "1:04:28", "start_time": "1:04:18", "text": "And so far, you know, more obvious bet if one had to argue that external influence has been relevant, to what's happened in Bangladesh is actually China." }, { "end_time": "1:04:32", "start_time": "1:04:29", "text": "You know, China conducts significant foreign operations." }, { "end_time": "1:04:36", "start_time": "1:04:33", "text": "China truly is, ideologically neutral." }, { "end_time": "1:04:41", "start_time": "1:04:36", "text": "They don't go and impose their ideology on African nations or Southeast Asian nations." }, { "end_time": "1:04:43", "start_time": "1:04:41", "text": "It's a very transactional relationship." }, { "end_time": "1:04:50", "start_time": "1:04:43", "text": "And, you know, the Chinese have significant strategic interests in trying to slow India down." }, { "end_time": "1:05:05", "start_time": "1:04:50", "text": "Even if they're trying to delay or postpone a direct confrontation with India, they have a lot to gain from India's economic growth becoming slower, more fraught, more challenged." }, { "end_time": "1:05:15", "start_time": "1:05:05", "text": "They have a great strategic interest in minor instability in India, you know, riots, civil disobedience, social upheaval." }, { "end_time": "1:05:19", "start_time": "1:05:15", "text": "And the weak points are our 2 neighbors." }, { "end_time": "1:05:32", "start_time": "1:05:20", "text": "You know, if you if you if you create instability in Bangladesh or if you change the government in Bangladesh such that it's, you know, more pro China, less pro India, that's a huge strategic victory for the Chinese." }, { "end_time": "1:05:52", "start_time": "1:05:32", "text": "Because if you end up in a situation where this new Bangladeshi government, for example, is heavily pro Chinese, the Chinese now have access to an enormous coastline, significant harbor, significant ports, significant naval installations all in the Bay of Bengal, which, by the way, strategically is incredibly important because they're no longer blocked off at the Straits of Malacca." }, { "end_time": "1:06:12", "start_time": "1:05:52", "text": "So our ability to effectively interdict Chinese supply by saying that we can blockade the Straits of Malacca because they need to come all the way from East Asia to be able to enter the Bay of Bengal and access the Arabian Ocean and then conduct trade with the rest of the world, we'll no longer be in a position to do that because they would have ports and harbors in the Bay of Bengal itself." }, { "end_time": "1:06:19", "start_time": "1:06:12", "text": "So, you know, I don't I don't really know why the Indian Internet enjoys conspiracy about the United States as much as they do." }, { "end_time": "1:06:22", "start_time": "1:06:20", "text": "And, look, this is not to defend the United States at all." }, { "end_time": "1:06:28", "start_time": "1:06:22", "text": "Now just like to be clear, the United States has done all kinds of things that will shock your audience all over the world." }, { "end_time": "1:06:32", "start_time": "1:06:30", "text": "I just don't think that is likely to be the case in this situation." }, { "end_time": "1:06:37", "start_time": "1:06:32", "text": "I don't see enough of a so let's assume, you know, you mentioned the island of Saint Martin." }, { "end_time": "1:06:41", "start_time": "1:06:37", "text": "Let's assume the American sort of was really important that the island of Saint Martin got militarized." }, { "end_time": "1:06:58", "start_time": "1:06:42", "text": "If you ask me, it's much more likely that an American policymaker will pick up the phone and speak to doctor and say, boss, make sure that the Bangladeshis allow you to build a base on this island so that we together are able to kind of act as a strategic deterrent vis a vis China." }, { "end_time": "1:07:06", "start_time": "1:06:59", "text": "It's much less likely that the Americans would say, let's destabilize the entire nation so we can end up with a military base on an island." }, { "end_time": "1:07:13", "start_time": "1:07:06", "text": "And in the meanwhile, we might have actually let the Chinese into a nation that otherwise the Indians were maximally influential in." }, { "end_time": "1:07:20", "start_time": "1:07:15", "text": "So to me, it just feels very, very unlikely that in this case, you know, the CIA has been responsible." }, { "end_time": "1:07:27", "start_time": "1:07:20", "text": "And and and and and and, you know, just to just to make sure that, you understand, this is no this is no general comment." }, { "end_time": "1:07:35", "start_time": "1:07:27", "text": "So for example, I'm entirely convinced that the Americans were responsible for the 2014 ouster of the democratically elected president in Ukraine." }, { "end_time": "1:07:50", "start_time": "1:07:37", "text": "Pretty clear evidence that, you know, western, money and influence supported that that popular revolution, the color revolutions that they say." }, { "end_time": "1:07:54", "start_time": "1:07:50", "text": "I just don't see, but you can clearly see what the Americans are going after there." }, { "end_time": "1:07:54", "start_time": "1:07:54", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:07:56", "start_time": "1:07:54", "text": "Because it's it's Russia." }, { "end_time": "1:07:57", "start_time": "1:07:56", "text": "It's NATO." }, { "end_time": "1:07:58", "start_time": "1:07:57", "text": "It's the EU." }, { "end_time": "1:07:59", "start_time": "1:07:58", "text": "We know the history of that conflict." }, { "end_time": "1:08:01", "start_time": "1:07:59", "text": "The Americans are clearly involved." }, { "end_time": "1:08:04", "start_time": "1:08:01", "text": "It's been a major issue in US domestic politics." }, { "end_time": "1:08:16", "start_time": "1:08:04", "text": "So you really need to be able to do a comprehensive analysis of a nation's intent, their domestic politics, how foreign policy is made, what's the rest of their geopolitical context before arriving at this conclusion that, oh, the Americans have done this." }, { "end_time": "1:08:16", "start_time": "1:08:16", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:08:18", "start_time": "1:08:16", "text": "So there's a general temptation." }, { "end_time": "1:08:20", "start_time": "1:08:18", "text": "I'll just end this section by saying this." }, { "end_time": "1:08:31", "start_time": "1:08:20", "text": "There's a general temptation, I think, Ramiel, with, you know, observations of geopolitics where either you'll find people who say, if I've not read it on BBC, if I've not read it on CNN, it's not true." }, { "end_time": "1:08:32", "start_time": "1:08:31", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:08:33", "start_time": "1:08:32", "text": "Full stop." }, { "end_time": "1:08:36", "start_time": "1:08:33", "text": "And then you've got people that are just waiting for the next conspiracy theory and saying, yes." }, { "end_time": "1:08:38", "start_time": "1:08:36", "text": "That that that feels correct." }, { "end_time": "1:08:50", "start_time": "1:08:39", "text": "And it almost feels like, something in human instinct that you've got the people that naturally gravitate towards conspiracies and people that naturally gravitate towards the opposite, saying that conspiracies are typically impossible or unlikely." }, { "end_time": "1:08:54", "start_time": "1:08:50", "text": "What I tend to do is kind of try to create a balance between the 2." }, { "end_time": "1:08:54", "start_time": "1:08:54", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:08:59", "start_time": "1:08:54", "text": "So as I say, make sure that you're speaking from evidence, but at the same time, make sure that you accept that, look." }, { "end_time": "1:09:03", "start_time": "1:08:59", "text": "There are there are things that one can speculate about, but acknowledge that those are speculations." }, { "end_time": "1:09:10", "start_time": "1:09:03", "text": "But there's, you know, things that seem more or less likely, and you have to be, capable of balancing both of those." }, { "end_time": "1:09:11", "start_time": "1:09:10", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:09:21", "start_time": "1:09:12", "text": "While we began in the conspiracy theory domain related to America, we've ended up in the conspiracy theory domain related to China, which perhaps is not a conspiracy." }, { "end_time": "1:09:22", "start_time": "1:09:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:09:23", "start_time": "1:09:22", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:29", "start_time": "1:09:23", "text": "It's seeming evident that there is Chinese interest in, instability within Bangladeshi borders." }, { "end_time": "1:09:35", "start_time": "1:09:29", "text": "I don't need to be a Chinese policymaker to be able to say China would like to be able to dominate India's neighbors." }, { "end_time": "1:09:47", "start_time": "1:09:36", "text": "And I don't need any more evidence in the fact that China has decided to build the China Pakistan economic corridor in Pakistan and decided to take 100 year leases of ports like Hambantota from Sri Lanka." }, { "end_time": "1:09:55", "start_time": "1:09:48", "text": "The only neighbor that they haven't been able to penetrate, given what they've done with the Maoist takeover of Nepali politics as well, has been Bangladesh." }, { "end_time": "1:09:58", "start_time": "1:09:56", "text": "So it's not so much that they're going after instability." }, { "end_time": "1:10:09", "start_time": "1:09:59", "text": "It's that they'd like to be able to wield much more influence in that society through that government, and Sheikh Hasina was a bull walk against Chinese influence in Bangladesh." }, { "end_time": "1:10:09", "start_time": "1:10:09", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "1:10:11", "start_time": "1:10:11", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "1:10:13", "start_time": "1:10:11", "text": "I mean, you know, partly historical reasons." }, { "end_time": "1:10:17", "start_time": "1:10:13", "text": "I think that, you know, Sheikh Hasina and her family obviously feel a lot of identity with India." }, { "end_time": "1:10:26", "start_time": "1:10:17", "text": "I mean, Indira Gandhi was a strong, staunch supporter of her father, and of a secular democratic Bangladesh in general." }, { "end_time": "1:10:30", "start_time": "1:10:26", "text": "Sheikh Zina is probably ideologically committed to the Indian model of development." }, { "end_time": "1:10:39", "start_time": "1:10:30", "text": "You know, this inclusive, slightly socialist, you know, multi faith, slow, steady economic growth that we've had." }, { "end_time": "1:10:54", "start_time": "1:10:39", "text": "You know, my guess again would be that Sheikh Hasina's, aspiration for Bangladesh would have been to be a little mini India with very similar culture, very similar business practices, a similarly Westminster style parliamentary form of democracy, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "1:11:03", "start_time": "1:10:54", "text": "And so so so, you know, I think it was largely ideological commitment to India, that would have prevented Sheikh Hasina from getting closer and closer to the Chinese." }, { "end_time": "1:11:28", "start_time": "1:11:03", "text": "I mean, there's also, by the way, a lot of evidence that alliances with China, tend to be quite one-sided, and, the recipient nations of Chinese capital, Chinese loans, Chinese investments, end up effectively in economic distress because of the types of projects that are being undertaken, the terms behind the financing." }, { "end_time": "1:11:33", "start_time": "1:11:29", "text": "The Chinese seem to have a model where they end up coming and owning the major assets in your country." }, { "end_time": "1:11:40", "start_time": "1:11:34", "text": "And thereby wield undue influence or excessive influence over policy, and end up creating effectively protectors." }, { "end_time": "1:11:40", "start_time": "1:11:40", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:11:50", "start_time": "1:11:40", "text": "So so I think that there are there are there are you know, people are waking up to the Chinese model, and, there are some countries that are now looking to push back saying that, actually, you know what?" }, { "end_time": "1:11:55", "start_time": "1:11:51", "text": "If we have an option, we may want to look for other options than Chinese capital." }, { "end_time": "1:11:56", "start_time": "1:11:55", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "1:11:59", "start_time": "1:11:56", "text": "One last question slash segment for this episode." }, { "end_time": "1:12:07", "start_time": "1:12:00", "text": "I have to ask you a question that I asked many other guests, but I'm also asking the student of history within your mind this question." }, { "end_time": "1:12:15", "start_time": "1:12:09", "text": "Prior to 1935, did events like this take place on a global scale?" }, { "end_time": "1:12:18", "start_time": "1:12:16", "text": "And is history repeating itself?" }, { "end_time": "1:12:21", "start_time": "1:12:18", "text": "And are we moving towards a worldwide conflict?" }, { "end_time": "1:12:26", "start_time": "1:12:21", "text": "That's the question because there's too much that's happened post 2020." }, { "end_time": "1:12:29", "start_time": "1:12:27", "text": "It's not a normal 4 years." }, { "end_time": "1:12:33", "start_time": "1:12:29", "text": "Especially if you observe geopolitics, you know that too much has happened in the last 4 years." }, { "end_time": "1:12:39", "start_time": "1:12:35", "text": "Lots of spiritualists who've been on the show believe that the world is heading towards war." }, { "end_time": "1:12:42", "start_time": "1:12:39", "text": "I have the same question for you as a student of history as well as geopolitics." }, { "end_time": "1:12:45", "start_time": "1:12:43", "text": "Is there any reality behind this thought?" }, { "end_time": "1:12:56", "start_time": "1:12:45", "text": "I mean, that's, if you don't mind, I'll I'll I'll I'll try and give you a little bit of a broad, response that should cover the historical as well as the current affairs parts of your question." }, { "end_time": "1:13:05", "start_time": "1:12:57", "text": "So, if you don't mind, I'll take a step back and discuss a little bit of theory within the study of international relations as well." }, { "end_time": "1:13:22", "start_time": "1:13:08", "text": "So taking a historical perspective first, Ranveer, what you see really is the development of the sovereign state as a political concept is relatively recent." }, { "end_time": "1:13:31", "start_time": "1:13:23", "text": "If you go back far enough in history, kingdoms, empires used to make war against each other just because they felt like it." }, { "end_time": "1:13:41", "start_time": "1:13:31", "text": "So the standard of conduct between states, from a moral perspective didn't include some sort of prohibition from invading each other." }, { "end_time": "1:13:50", "start_time": "1:13:41", "text": "In fact, it was almost a a survivor of the fittest, a state of nature that existed as far as international society was concerned." }, { "end_time": "1:13:58", "start_time": "1:13:51", "text": "Domestically, you'd have laws and you'd have kings, you'd have, you know, policing and governance and social rules, etcetera, howsoever constructively." }, { "end_time": "1:14:03", "start_time": "1:13:58", "text": "There are some rules that people are following, even in in in in history." }, { "end_time": "1:14:08", "start_time": "1:14:03", "text": "But internationally, it was really not a rules based society." }, { "end_time": "1:14:10", "start_time": "1:14:09", "text": "It was might is right." }, { "end_time": "1:14:17", "start_time": "1:14:10", "text": "You know, if I have the ability as a major kingdom to go and conquer a neighboring smaller kingdom, then I'm gonna do it." }, { "end_time": "1:14:22", "start_time": "1:14:17", "text": "And I don't need to give myself or anybody else any justification to do that." }, { "end_time": "1:14:24", "start_time": "1:14:23", "text": "Where does all of that start to change?" }, { "end_time": "1:14:35", "start_time": "1:14:25", "text": "It starts to change in 1648 with, this event that marked the end of a conflict in Europe called the 30 years war." }, { "end_time": "1:14:50", "start_time": "1:14:35", "text": "The 30 years war was this continent wide conflict fought along both religious and political lines, between 2 subsects of Christianity, because the Lutheran movement and the Calvinist movement were effectively trying to rebel against the power of the Catholic church." }, { "end_time": "1:14:55", "start_time": "1:14:50", "text": "And so what ended up happening is that all the kings and dukes and princes of Europe ended up choosing 1 of the 2 sides." }, { "end_time": "1:15:06", "start_time": "1:14:55", "text": "Either they remain loyal to the Catholic church led by the pope in Rome, or they, in fact, for their own local political reasons, decided that throwing in their lot with these reformist Christians makes more sense." }, { "end_time": "1:15:14", "start_time": "1:15:06", "text": "And that led to you know, as you can imagine, whenever you combine religion with politics, the levels of violence seen end up, you know, being being quite extreme." }, { "end_time": "1:15:30", "start_time": "1:15:15", "text": "And so you see this utter destruction of Europe occur over the next 30 years, and that war ends with the diet of Westphalia, I should just use, with the conference of Westphalia that happens in this town in Germany called Westphalia where all of the powers of Europe come together." }, { "end_time": "1:15:35", "start_time": "1:15:30", "text": "And for the first time, when we renounce the principle of national sovereignty and say, listen." }, { "end_time": "1:15:37", "start_time": "1:15:36", "text": "There's a map." }, { "end_time": "1:15:39", "start_time": "1:15:37", "text": "We're all agreeing who owns what." }, { "end_time": "1:15:45", "start_time": "1:15:39", "text": "And for the first time, we're saying that it is no longer legal for us to go after each other's land." }, { "end_time": "1:15:48", "start_time": "1:15:46", "text": "Now, obviously, that didn't mean that war ended." }, { "end_time": "1:15:50", "start_time": "1:15:48", "text": "War has continued even since 1648." }, { "end_time": "1:15:51", "start_time": "1:15:51", "text": "It happened before." }, { "end_time": "1:15:52", "start_time": "1:15:51", "text": "It happened after." }, { "end_time": "1:16:04", "start_time": "1:15:53", "text": "But there was a very important change that occurred in the way we thought about the international society that for the first time, people acknowledge that we need some rules to exist even in terms of how countries behave with each other or states or nations behave with each other." }, { "end_time": "1:16:10", "start_time": "1:16:04", "text": "Fast forward a few 100 years, you have World War 1, you have World War 2." }, { "end_time": "1:16:17", "start_time": "1:16:13", "text": "At the end of World War 1, the world is so devastated just like after the 30 years war." }, { "end_time": "1:16:19", "start_time": "1:16:17", "text": "So you establish the League of Nations." }, { "end_time": "1:16:21", "start_time": "1:16:19", "text": "That ends up being a failed project." }, { "end_time": "1:16:25", "start_time": "1:16:21", "text": "World War 2 breaks out, and you finally have the establishment of the United Nations." }, { "end_time": "1:16:39", "start_time": "1:16:26", "text": "Now the whole point of establishing the United Nations and creating public international law and creating some of these principles of how, you know, nations are supposed to behave with each other was to try to impose some rules on the international system." }, { "end_time": "1:16:48", "start_time": "1:16:39", "text": "A rules based order, is what we were seeking to create after the 2nd World War because people were just like, boss, we can't let this happen again." }, { "end_time": "1:17:13", "start_time": "1:16:50", "text": "You know, because our generation was born at the end of the cold war in here, we actually got to enjoy this unique American unipolar moment where not only did the United Nations exist and not only did this global rules based order exist, but also you had one clear foundation for that international order, which is the United States." }, { "end_time": "1:17:28", "start_time": "1:17:13", "text": "And so I think we ended up living in an era, and I go back to when I was a student at the LSE, where there was a real belief that the international system is becoming more and more rules based and less and less might based every year." }, { "end_time": "1:17:45", "start_time": "1:17:28", "text": "Then we're moving closer and closer to, you know, to the if you and I get into a, you know, dispute or disagreement domestically as Indian citizens, I don't, you know, assemble an army and, you know, come to you and try to invade your apartment or whatever in order to resolve the dispute." }, { "end_time": "1:17:51", "start_time": "1:17:45", "text": "Instead, you know, we'll go to court, so we'll have arbitration, or we'll have some rules based dispute resolution mechanism." }, { "end_time": "1:18:05", "start_time": "1:17:51", "text": "That really is what was absent in the international system, and that's what the creation of this, you know, international law and diplomacy post World War 2 was meant to resolve for so that countries feel that they have peaceful ways to resolve disputes." }, { "end_time": "1:18:18", "start_time": "1:18:09", "text": "The challenge, of course, was always the fact that unlike in domestic society, you have no common source of legislation and you have no common form of enforcement." }, { "end_time": "1:18:21", "start_time": "1:18:19", "text": "We clearly are subject to Indian law." }, { "end_time": "1:18:23", "start_time": "1:18:21", "text": "If you're in America, you're subject to US law." }, { "end_time": "1:18:26", "start_time": "1:18:24", "text": "And there's a police force and there are courts." }, { "end_time": "1:18:30", "start_time": "1:18:27", "text": "So it's very clear what the sources of your rules are." }, { "end_time": "1:18:33", "start_time": "1:18:30", "text": "In the international system, there's no world court." }, { "end_time": "1:18:35", "start_time": "1:18:33", "text": "There's an international court of justice." }, { "end_time": "1:18:44", "start_time": "1:18:35", "text": "There's an international criminal court, but it's not universally accepted by everyone as a court of last recourse, nor is there a global police force." }, { "end_time": "1:18:53", "start_time": "1:18:44", "text": "So even if 2 nations get into a dispute with each other and really, really disagree and end up at the ICC or the ICJ and there's even some sort of judgment issued, how are you going to enforce?" }, { "end_time": "1:18:56", "start_time": "1:18:53", "text": "And, you know, you have a lot of examples that I can, you know, give you." }, { "end_time": "1:19:01", "start_time": "1:18:56", "text": "For example, Argentina, defaults on 1,000,000,000 of dollars of debt." }, { "end_time": "1:19:04", "start_time": "1:19:01", "text": "You know, this happened in the eighties nineties and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "1:19:05", "start_time": "1:19:04", "text": "What are you gonna do to enforce?" }, { "end_time": "1:19:14", "start_time": "1:19:05", "text": "You've got investors on Wall Street that are, like, trying to, like, look after, you know, you know, you know, you know, go after, some sort of enforcement action through international courts, and the Argentinians are just like, no." }, { "end_time": "1:19:20", "start_time": "1:19:15", "text": "And so suddenly, you see the limits of international law as well because we don't have a world government." }, { "end_time": "1:19:22", "start_time": "1:19:20", "text": "You can't govern the earth." }, { "end_time": "1:19:27", "start_time": "1:19:22", "text": "I mean, well, in theory, one can create a one world government and all that, but that's just not the reality of the system that we live in." }, { "end_time": "1:19:29", "start_time": "1:19:27", "text": "So those are the limits of international law." }, { "end_time": "1:19:57", "start_time": "1:19:29", "text": "Now the reason I've given you this broad background is I remember as a student at the LSE also believing that every year, we might create more and more of an international society where not only do certain formal rule formal rules exist, but also that we feel obligated to not go to war just for the sake of it or not use violence just for the sake of it in the international arena." }, { "end_time": "1:20:01", "start_time": "1:19:57", "text": "Because we feel a sense of obligation that, look, there is an international society that exists." }, { "end_time": "1:20:04", "start_time": "1:20:02", "text": "We're all a part of this, you know, one planet." }, { "end_time": "1:20:09", "start_time": "1:20:04", "text": "And so maybe diplomacy is the answer or maybe conversation is the answer." }, { "end_time": "1:20:21", "start_time": "1:20:09", "text": "Unfortunately, Ranveer, I started observing, you know, in the early 2000 that the reality is that we may be retreating rather than moving closer and closer towards an international society." }, { "end_time": "1:20:28", "start_time": "1:20:22", "text": "There has been over the last 20 years of retreat of global norms rather than a development of global norms." }, { "end_time": "1:20:41", "start_time": "1:20:28", "text": "You're seeing more and more countries feeling freedom to undertake military operations, freedom to utilize violence, freedom to interfere in each other's domestic politics." }, { "end_time": "1:20:43", "start_time": "1:20:42", "text": "Countries feeling like, hey." }, { "end_time": "1:20:50", "start_time": "1:20:43", "text": "Actually, like, I can, you know, elbow my neighbor, and no one seems to show up to do anything about it." }, { "end_time": "1:21:08", "start_time": "1:20:51", "text": "And so, you know, it's been a very, very complex process, including technological change, global economic change, the rise of new powers like China and India, you know, in many ways, the weakening of American empire globally." }, { "end_time": "1:21:18", "start_time": "1:21:08", "text": "But what you're seeing now is the world being categorically at its most unstable, I would argue, since the end of World War 2." }, { "end_time": "1:21:33", "start_time": "1:21:18", "text": "And the reason I say that is that despite the fact that the Cold War was responsible for a lot of hard conflict all over the world, there was still a fundamental logical structure to it where you had these 2 superpowers, and they knew at the end of the day that we don't really want to create a total conflict." }, { "end_time": "1:21:36", "start_time": "1:21:33", "text": "And so conflicts ended up remaining quite controlled, quite limited." }, { "end_time": "1:21:37", "start_time": "1:21:36", "text": "Now there's a conflict in Vietnam?" }, { "end_time": "1:21:37", "start_time": "1:21:37", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:21:38", "start_time": "1:21:37", "text": "It's in Vietnam." }, { "end_time": "1:21:39", "start_time": "1:21:38", "text": "There's a conflict in Afghanistan?" }, { "end_time": "1:21:40", "start_time": "1:21:39", "text": "It's in Afghanistan." }, { "end_time": "1:21:46", "start_time": "1:21:40", "text": "Russia or the Soviet Union in the United States were never going to allow for a global conflagration to occur." }, { "end_time": "1:21:53", "start_time": "1:21:47", "text": "And between the 2 of them, they had the ability to wield influence sufficiently all over the world that they were in a position to police the world." }, { "end_time": "1:22:01", "start_time": "1:21:54", "text": "For the last 20 or 30 years, in theory, America has been single handedly in a position to police the world." }, { "end_time": "1:22:05", "start_time": "1:22:01", "text": "But the reality is that the limits of American power are being tested." }, { "end_time": "1:22:12", "start_time": "1:22:07", "text": "Micro conflicts are becoming major conflicts all over the world, and we can go through a list of them." }, { "end_time": "1:22:21", "start_time": "1:22:12", "text": "And powers are increasingly showing willingness to undertake conventional warfare despite this international rules based system." }, { "end_time": "1:22:40", "start_time": "1:22:22", "text": "So all of that to say that if you ask me, I would agree from a theoretical and an observational perspective that, the return of major state on state conflict, which we had all sort of almost, like, taken out of our minds, keep you know, we don't go to war anymore." }, { "end_time": "1:22:42", "start_time": "1:22:41", "text": "That's definitely happening." }, { "end_time": "1:22:59", "start_time": "1:22:43", "text": "The chances that we see minor conflicts snowballing into major conflicts, the chances that we see a sort of domino effect of a small incident somewhere in this globally interconnected world leading to a series of unforeseen consequences, very, very possible." }, { "end_time": "1:23:13", "start_time": "1:23:00", "text": "And so in many ways, you know, my perspective is that, this is an increasingly dangerous world with, geopolitical instability rather than stability, unpredictability rather than predictability." }, { "end_time": "1:23:25", "start_time": "1:23:14", "text": "And, it's a global context in which all countries, but especially in India as a growing developing economy, we have to focus on self reliance." }, { "end_time": "1:23:29", "start_time": "1:23:26", "text": "We have to focus on internal economic strength." }, { "end_time": "1:23:40", "start_time": "1:23:29", "text": "We have to focus on the ability to, create strategic space for ourselves and not end up being vulnerable to incidents and events that are external to us." }, { "end_time": "1:23:47", "start_time": "1:23:41", "text": "Remi, I think we're also going to have to make a choice as Indians, on whether or not we're open to alliances." }, { "end_time": "1:24:00", "start_time": "1:23:48", "text": "Because one of the things that, India has maintained for a long time is partnerships, pragmatic issue based partnerships with potentially anyone and everyone." }, { "end_time": "1:24:10", "start_time": "1:24:00", "text": "But we've really tried to steer clear of formal alliances because we believe that it ends up reducing our freedom of maneuver on the world stage." }, { "end_time": "1:24:22", "start_time": "1:24:11", "text": "I think that wouldn't be a difficult position for us to maintain going forward, and a day will come when we're gonna have to choose effectively between, you know, if not 2, then maybe 3 sides." }, { "end_time": "1:24:26", "start_time": "1:24:22", "text": "But I can see a world that starts to break up into 2 competing systems." }, { "end_time": "1:24:30", "start_time": "1:24:28", "text": "And we really are a swing state in that sense." }, { "end_time": "1:24:30", "start_time": "1:24:30", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:24:38", "start_time": "1:24:30", "text": "A major state that's not clearly aligned to the west and not clearly aligned to the Russia, China access that exists as opposition to the west." }, { "end_time": "1:24:40", "start_time": "1:24:38", "text": "So What's the 3rd poll?" }, { "end_time": "1:24:41", "start_time": "1:24:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:24:51", "start_time": "1:24:41", "text": "I mean, you know, there's so the reason I said potentially 3 is because, Russia and China are not actually, as close as recent events would have you, believe." }, { "end_time": "1:25:01", "start_time": "1:24:53", "text": "The reason the Indo Russian relationship has been as strong as it has is because, actually, both nations have a little bit of a mistrust of China." }, { "end_time": "1:25:16", "start_time": "1:25:02", "text": "And so in many ways, the closeness of the Russian relationship with China today is driven by the fact that the west has sort of pushed Russia into a corner rather than Russian willingness or desire to, you know, work very closely with China." }, { "end_time": "1:25:24", "start_time": "1:25:18", "text": "You know, in case you're interested, I'll just give you a small piece of evidence to back that up as well." }, { "end_time": "1:25:38", "start_time": "1:25:24", "text": "You know, in the 2000, Russia built major economic infrastructure, oil and gas infrastructure, to serve European markets, not Chinese markets." }, { "end_time": "1:25:45", "start_time": "1:25:39", "text": "They ended up investing 1,000,000,000 in their own assets in western markets, not in Chinese markets." }, { "end_time": "1:25:49", "start_time": "1:25:46", "text": "Russian assets would be held in western banks, not in Chinese banks." }, { "end_time": "1:26:02", "start_time": "1:25:50", "text": "And the specific infrastructure I'm referring to obviously is Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2, the huge gas pipelines with an investment of over 15,000,000,000, jointly executed by European nations and Russia." }, { "end_time": "1:26:11", "start_time": "1:26:03", "text": "Now all of those are really expensive, really important signals that Russia was trying to send to the west saying, we'd like to integrate." }, { "end_time": "1:26:12", "start_time": "1:26:11", "text": "We'd like to be closer." }, { "end_time": "1:26:16", "start_time": "1:26:12", "text": "We actually like to, you know, join the economic project that the west is in." }, { "end_time": "1:26:25", "start_time": "1:26:16", "text": "And, you know, the only kind of subtext or conditionalities that the Russians had were, you know, let's don't try to interfere with internal Russian policies." }, { "end_time": "1:26:28", "start_time": "1:26:25", "text": "Don't try to, you know, wield influence inside Russia." }, { "end_time": "1:26:29", "start_time": "1:26:28", "text": "Let's do business." }, { "end_time": "1:26:43", "start_time": "1:26:29", "text": "And, you know, it is it is it is truly my opinion, Ranvir, that if not for the events in Ukraine, and we can cover those in detail if you like, this Russia China partnership is not as natural as you think." }, { "end_time": "1:26:48", "start_time": "1:26:44", "text": "I think that's a good end for this particular episode because there's a lot to unpack with you." }, { "end_time": "1:26:54", "start_time": "1:26:48", "text": "I know you're off camera as well, and we've gone into all kinds of domains when it comes to conversation." }, { "end_time": "1:27:06", "start_time": "1:26:54", "text": "For me, this was just your debut on TRS, and we had, a very relevant topic to speak about today, which is why I thank you for being on your first episode of the runway show, Sarjanja." }, { "end_time": "1:27:12", "start_time": "1:27:06", "text": "I'm glad I got to take your mind out to the audiences, and we hope to have you come back on the show very soon." }, { "end_time": "1:27:13", "start_time": "1:27:12", "text": "Thank you very much, Arunvi." }, { "end_time": "1:27:14", "start_time": "1:27:13", "text": "It was a real pleasure." }, { "end_time": "1:27:14", "start_time": "1:27:14", "text": "Thanks." }, { "end_time": "1:27:23", "start_time": "1:27:15", "text": "The next time we'll be unbacking much more of geopolitics and much more of history, Keep in touch with the comment section on this episode because there's a lot of questions that people have for you." }, { "end_time": "1:27:23", "start_time": "1:27:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:27:24", "start_time": "1:27:23", "text": "Awesome." }, { "end_time": "1:27:24", "start_time": "1:27:24", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:27:26", "start_time": "1:27:24", "text": "Thank you, Ranveer." }, { "end_time": "1:27:26", "start_time": "1:27:26", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:27:29", "start_time": "1:27:27", "text": "That was the episode for today, ladies and gentlemen." }, { "end_time": "1:27:36", "start_time": "1:27:30", "text": "Unfortunately, I think we live in a time where we need a geopolitical update every 2 to 3 months." }, { "end_time": "1:27:38", "start_time": "1:27:36", "text": "That's the unfortunate state of the world currently." }, { "end_time": "1:27:46", "start_time": "1:27:39", "text": "We're fortunate enough to have people like Sarjan Shah, Abhijit Chawda, Palki Sharma, who've all been on TRS." }, { "end_time": "1:27:54", "start_time": "1:27:47", "text": "I put Sarjan Shah in that same category because I know what it's like simply hanging out with Sarjan Shah." }, { "end_time": "1:28:01", "start_time": "1:27:54", "text": "I know what it's like simply learning from him, understanding his understanding of multiple subjects." }, { "end_time": "1:28:04", "start_time": "1:28:01", "text": "We're going to be creating a lot more with this gentleman." }, { "end_time": "1:28:08", "start_time": "1:28:04", "text": "Please send in your topic recommendations, your episode recommendations." }, { "end_time": "1:28:12", "start_time": "1:28:09", "text": "Lots of history oriented episodes to cover with him as well." }, { "end_time": "1:28:19", "start_time": "1:28:13", "text": "History is gonna be making a huge comeback on TRS, and the geopolitical episodes will always be present on this show." }, { "end_time": "1:28:22", "start_time": "1:28:20", "text": "Until next time guys from Ranveer and the team." }, { "end_time": "1:28:23", "start_time": "1:28:22", "text": "Thank you for tuning in." }, { "end_time": "1:28:25", "start_time": "1:28:23", "text": "Lots more knowledge is coming your way on TRS." } ] }

[ { "content": "**Task Description:** \nYou are provided with a YouTube video transcript in JSON format, where each entry is synchronized with its respective timestamp. This transcript contains the spoken text along with its start and end times. Your objective is to generate high-quality, chapter-wise segments that accurately represent key points or transitions within the video.\n\n**Transcript JSON Format:** \nThe transcript is formatted as a list of dictionaries, where each dictionary represents a spoken sentence, including its text and corresponding start and end times.\n\n**Example Transcript:** \n```json\n[\n {\n \"text\": \"The narrative in the public eye is that you left working with the Modi government because your opinions weren't heard.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:07\"\n },\n {\n \"text\": \"I want to know your side of the story.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:08\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:10\"\n },\n ...\n]\n```\n\n**Your Task:** \nUsing the given transcript, generate a JSON output that breaks down the video into meaningful chapters. Each chapter should encapsulate a key segment of the video and be accompanied by a concise, informative title that reflects the essence of that segment.\n\n**Chapter JSON Format:** \nThe output should follow this structure:\n```json\n{\n \"chapters\": [\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"title\": \"Introduction and Opening Remarks\"\n },\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:07\",\n \"title\": \"Discussing the Exit from Modi Government\"\n },\n ...\n ]\n}\n```\n\n**Requirements:** \n1. **Identify Key Segments:** Extract significant portions of the transcript that represent shifts in topic, important discussions, or transitions in conversation.\n2. **Craft Informative Titles:** Each chapter title should be clear, engaging, and directly related to the content covered in that segment.\n3. **Preserve Time Stamps:** Ensure that each chapter's `start_time` corresponds to the first instance of a key topic or segment in the transcript.\n4. **Conciseness is Key:** While titles should be descriptive, avoid making them overly lengthy. Aim for a balance between informativeness and brevity.", "role": "system" }, { "content": "{'transcripts': array([{'end_time': '0:04', 'start_time': '0:00', 'text': \"If there's ever anything I wish to learn about history or geopolitics, you're one of the first people I call.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:13', 'start_time': '0:04', 'text': 'Sharjan Shah, an alumni of London School of Economics, Cambridge and Harvard offers profound insights into the global power dynamics.'},\n {'end_time': '0:20', 'start_time': '0:13', 'text': 'In this podcast, he brings his keen analysis to recent events in Bangladesh and their global implications.'},\n {'end_time': '0:23', 'start_time': '0:20', 'text': \"Could you please give us some context on what's happening in Bangladesh?\"},\n {'end_time': '0:27', 'start_time': '0:24', 'text': \"You're seeing mass protests, jailing of political opponents.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:32', 'start_time': '0:27', 'text': 'The feeling in Bangladesh that the voices of the opposition are really not being heard.'},\n {'end_time': '0:39', 'start_time': '0:32', 'text': 'How come this issue that began as a quota system related issue turned into a Hindu genocide?'},\n {'end_time': '0:47', 'start_time': '0:39', 'text': '1, the genocide being perpetrated by sections of East Pakistani or Bangladeshi society was directed specifically against the Hindu minority.'},\n {'end_time': '0:49', 'start_time': '0:47', 'text': 'Is it truly a Hindu genocide?'},\n {'end_time': '0:53', 'start_time': '0:49', 'text': 'Why has Sheikh Hasina been given shelter in India?'},\n {'end_time': '0:56', 'start_time': '0:53', 'text': \"In many ways, we've been a little bit blindsided by this.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:07', 'start_time': '0:56', 'text': \"The main things going on in Delhi, doctor Jaishankar's ministry has been focused on Does the Bangladesh situation mean anything to the Pakistani government?\"},\n {'end_time': '1:15', 'start_time': '1:07', 'text': 'You know, the consequences could include everything from a full blown civil war right across our border, the illegal movement of people, the infiltration of terrorists.'},\n {'end_time': '1:19', 'start_time': '1:15', 'text': 'Problem is going to affect India from an economic perspective in a huge way.'},\n {'end_time': '1:24', 'start_time': '1:19', 'text': 'This is the right moment for me to now mention the CAA, which is very, very controversial act.'},\n {'end_time': '1:35', 'start_time': '1:24', 'text': \"I would be very surprised if we don't see a process by which the Indian government negotiates with new Bangladeshi government, provide safe passage of some kind to the Hindu minority that want to make the move to India.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:40', 'start_time': '1:35', 'text': 'Migration of Bangladeshi Hindus in the coming 6 months.'},\n {'end_time': '1:56', 'start_time': '1:44', 'text': 'Another geopolitics special of TRS, Sajan Shah is someone that I turn to when I want to learn more about a certain historical topic or a certain topic related to geopolitics.'},\n {'end_time': '1:58', 'start_time': '1:56', 'text': 'This is only his debut on TRS.'},\n {'end_time': '2:04', 'start_time': '1:58', 'text': \"I promise you there's at least 50 episodes within this person's mind.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:07', 'start_time': '2:04', 'text': 'And this is only episode 1 out of 50.'},\n {'end_time': '2:09', 'start_time': '2:07', 'text': \"There's a lot more to come from Sarajan Shah.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:18', 'start_time': '2:09', 'text': \"But on today's episode, we focused heavily on the Bangladesh crisis as well as the current state of Pakistan and China.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:22', 'start_time': '2:18', 'text': \"I hope you enjoy today's geopolitical update on TRS.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:44', 'start_time': '2:40', 'text': \"If there's ever anything I wish to learn about history or geopolitics, you're one of the first people I call.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:50', 'start_time': '2:44', 'text': \"So thank you for being in our studio, and I'm glad to be taking your voice out to the world.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:52', 'start_time': '2:51', 'text': \"I've been a huge fan of the show, Anir.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:55', 'start_time': '2:52', 'text': \"I've been watching you for years, and, thank you for having me.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:57', 'start_time': '2:55', 'text': \"It's a it's a real pleasure to be here.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:03', 'start_time': '2:58', 'text': 'I gotta begin by asking you about yourself before we get into talking about Bangladesh.'},\n {'end_time': '3:07', 'start_time': '3:03', 'text': \"People need to know the person that they're getting the information from.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:09', 'start_time': '3:07', 'text': 'So what have you studied, sir Jain Jain?'},\n {'end_time': '3:15', 'start_time': '3:09', 'text': 'Well, born and raised as a Bombay boy and, from a business family.'},\n {'end_time': '3:19', 'start_time': '3:15', 'text': 'But for some reason, since I was a very, very young boy, all things military fascinated me.'},\n {'end_time': '3:27', 'start_time': '3:19', 'text': 'And so all of the people that grew up with me, my teachers through school knew that somewhere or the other, that was the direction that I was heading in.'},\n {'end_time': '3:38', 'start_time': '3:27', 'text': 'I ended up expressing that by studying international relations in history at the London School of Economics 2007 to 10, which is a very interesting period in the international system for a number of reasons as well.'},\n {'end_time': '3:59', 'start_time': '3:38', 'text': 'I ended up specializing in military history in particular, public international law with a focus on the use of armed force, which is very relevant given certain things that are currently underway in the world, as well as international political theory, trying to take a slightly more theoretical approach to analyzing how our social and political systems work both domestically as well as internationally.'},\n {'end_time': '4:03', 'start_time': '4:00', 'text': \"And so that's one part of the educational journey that I've had.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:08', 'start_time': '4:03', 'text': 'I know that you study multiple subjects, but would you say that geopolitics is the subject you enjoy the most?'},\n {'end_time': '4:19', 'start_time': '4:09', 'text': \"I often say that it's, it's my actual trade craft, and, it's what, I cut my teeth on as an undergrad, many, many years ago.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:26', 'start_time': '4:20', 'text': \"It's I suspect what I would have ended up doing professionally as well if not for a number of other things that happened in my life.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:40', 'start_time': '4:26', 'text': \"And so, you know, if you wake me up at 3 AM and ask me what I'd like to talk about, it's likely to be strategic affairs, geopolitics, as I say, with a real focus on, what people call hard power rather than soft power.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:41', 'start_time': '4:40', 'text': 'Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '4:41', 'start_time': '4:41', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '4:53', 'start_time': '4:42', 'text': \"Also, when we're having geopolitical conversations, it's very easy to go into the domain of conspiracy as well as, non data backed, angles on what's happening in the world.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:03', 'start_time': '4:54', 'text': \"And I think that that's honestly the conversation that most audiences all over the world enjoy the most when there are these strong opinions, when there are slightly controversial opinions.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:05', 'start_time': '5:03', 'text': \"It's just the nature of the human mind.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:10', 'start_time': '5:06', 'text': \"I know there's going to be strong opinions, but I also know it's going to be deeply data backed.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:20', 'start_time': '5:10', 'text': \"I don't know anyone else who studies as much as you do, which is why, Sarjanja, we gotta begin by talking about this Bangladesh situation because that's what everyone's talking about.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:25', 'start_time': '5:20', 'text': \"I think that's a great starting point, for a larger geopolitics oriented conversation.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:27', 'start_time': '5:25', 'text': 'But I have a couple of questions.'},\n {'end_time': '5:33', 'start_time': '5:27', 'text': \"The first question is, could you please give us some context on what's happening in Bangladesh?\"},\n {'end_time': '5:42', 'start_time': '5:34', 'text': \"And the second question is that, is it in any way linked to what we're seeing happening in the gulf, in Israel, Palestine?\"},\n {'end_time': '5:45', 'start_time': '5:42', 'text': \"Is it in any way linked to what's happening in Ukraine?\"},\n {'end_time': '5:50', 'start_time': '5:46', 'text': \"Is it in any way linked to what's happening in America?\"},\n {'end_time': '5:55', 'start_time': '5:51', 'text': 'Because Sheikh Hasina said something pretty controversial this past week.'},\n {'end_time': '5:57', 'start_time': '5:55', 'text': 'So, Sarjan Shah, over to you.'},\n {'end_time': '5:59', 'start_time': '5:58', 'text': 'Give us the story.'},\n {'end_time': '5:59', 'start_time': '5:59', 'text': 'Look.'},\n {'end_time': '6:03', 'start_time': '5:59', 'text': \"In many ways, what's happened is not surprising.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:18', 'start_time': '6:03', 'text': \"And so before I address, Sheikh Hasina's specific comments, I guess I would point to the general failure of the decolonization movement all over the world, by pointing to India as the rare success story.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:21', 'start_time': '6:18', 'text': 'The decolonization movement as in post World War 2?'},\n {'end_time': '7:02', 'start_time': '6:21', 'text': 'Post World War 2 as a number of Asian African nations were driving towards independence, you effectively had the birth of a number of nations that were, under equipped, under resourced, and had a set of systemic structural challenges that most democratic experiments have largely failed to address, which is why I point to India as the sort of powerful exception to the rule where given the opening circumstances that we had, a large fairly uneducated and poor population that had very little experience with democracy, relatively low governmental effectiveness as well back in 1947, I mean, we we were just a poor country.'},\n {'end_time': '7:02', 'start_time': '7:02', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '7:09', 'start_time': '7:02', 'text': 'Not much by way of natural advantages, in this process of nation building or this project of nation building.'},\n {'end_time': '7:31', 'start_time': '7:09', 'text': \"Now the reason I give you the example of India as the exception that proves the rule is that the fact that we've managed to sustain democracy, for 75 plus years, and the fact that we've managed to, through our own, you know, ups and downs, manage to build a relatively prosperous nation today with, of course, continuing issues, social, economic, political, etcetera.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:34', 'start_time': '7:31', 'text': 'But overall, I think that we believe there were a success story.'},\n {'end_time': '7:36', 'start_time': '7:34', 'text': 'But you look around yourself.'},\n {'end_time': '7:36', 'start_time': '7:36', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '7:38', 'start_time': '7:36', 'text': 'I mean, look at just the rest of the subcontinent.'},\n {'end_time': '7:41', 'start_time': '7:39', 'text': 'Look at just what the British left behind.'},\n {'end_time': '7:43', 'start_time': '7:42', 'text': 'And you have Pakistan on one side.'},\n {'end_time': '7:47', 'start_time': '7:43', 'text': 'You have Bangladesh on the other, and you have Sri Lanka to the south of you.'},\n {'end_time': '8:03', 'start_time': '7:47', 'text': 'All these three, outside of the specifics, are examples of nations that have effectively, failed to build up the necessary national power and national capacity over the last 60 or 70 years to be able to continue to have sustainable democracy.'},\n {'end_time': '8:07', 'start_time': '8:03', 'text': \"Just a quick history of Bangladesh for the context of what's going on right now.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:35', 'start_time': '8:07', 'text': \"Obviously, most of your viewers will be aware that thanks to Indian support and intervention, Bangladesh was birthed in 1971 as a very unique and powerful example of humanitarian intervention because India went in, ended the genocide being committed by the West Pakistani army, but then quickly within 3 months of the Pakistani surrender also withdrew, which allowed Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, Sheikh Hasina's father, to very quickly establish, a modicum of governance in east Pakistan.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:51', 'start_time': '8:36', 'text': 'So they managed to establish a constitution within a year, and, he really tried to usher in a secular, form of government into what was otherwise, you know, really as a as a vestige of partition meant to have an Islamic identity in East Pakistan.'},\n {'end_time': '9:04', 'start_time': '8:51', 'text': \"You know, if you consider the fact that the father of the nation, just like in India's case, was assassinated shortly after independence in 1975, sheik Mujibur Rahman was assassinated in a coup and in a military coup.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:08', 'start_time': '9:04', 'text': 'And the reason I draw this is you just think in the back of your about the parallels with Pakistan.'},\n {'end_time': '9:08', 'start_time': '9:08', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '9:14', 'start_time': '9:08', 'text': 'Country is born, few years of so called democratic or civilian rule, and almost immediately, you have a military coup.'},\n {'end_time': '9:38', 'start_time': '9:14', 'text': \"Mujibur Rahman and the vast majority of his family are murdered, and you have a number of years of of of of really a authoritarian form of army led rule, after which you have a return to democracy, a number of years later, and then sheikh Hasina, as one of sheikh Mujeed's sort of, you know, surviving, daughters comes back, becomes prime minister.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:46', 'start_time': '9:38', 'text': \"And she's really had, more or less, you know, control of Bangladesh for the last 15 odd years before these recent events.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:00', 'start_time': '9:47', 'text': \"But the point I'm really trying to make is you never had in Bangladesh the level of economic development, the level of social integration, the level of, you know, the development of of of institutional strength to be able to sustain this.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:10', 'start_time': '10:00', 'text': \"And so the fact that you're seeing mass protests, in the here and now, yes, there could be proximate causes, you know, which are driven by animals from other countries.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:40', 'start_time': '10:11', 'text': 'But for the most part, I would point to, the long duration of her rule, the jailing of political opponents, the feeling in park in Bangladesh that, the voices of the opposition are really not being heard, and real frustration at the level of the civilians at their day to day lives, which I think is is is is, or should be unsurprising, given their given their socioeconomic situation.'},\n {'end_time': '10:41', 'start_time': '10:40', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '10:42', 'start_time': '10:41', 'text': 'So many tangential questions.'},\n {'end_time': '10:46', 'start_time': '10:44', 'text': 'Should we actually cut to 2024?'},\n {'end_time': '10:52', 'start_time': '10:47', 'text': \"Because I have a lot of questions about history, and we'll keep entering history through modern day context.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:58', 'start_time': '10:53', 'text': \"The narrative we're getting in India because of social media is that there's a Hindu genocide going on in Bangladesh.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:03', 'start_time': '11:00', 'text': \"What's the truth behind that statement?\"},\n {'end_time': '11:14', 'start_time': '11:04', 'text': '2, how come this issue that began as a quota system related issue turned into a Hindu genocide?'},\n {'end_time': '11:20', 'start_time': '11:15', 'text': \"I'll let you kind of give us modern day context as well as answer this question.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:22', 'start_time': '11:20', 'text': 'And is it truly a Hindu genocide?'},\n {'end_time': '11:24', 'start_time': '11:23', 'text': 'Look.'},\n {'end_time': '11:29', 'start_time': '11:24', 'text': 'The word genocide, actually has specific legal implications in public international law.'},\n {'end_time': '11:40', 'start_time': '11:29', 'text': 'But is there, currently, violence being committed against Hindus as a result of these protests in the house?'},\n {'end_time': '11:42', 'start_time': '11:40', 'text': 'The answer is categorically yes.'},\n {'end_time': '11:48', 'start_time': '11:42', 'text': \"What's interesting, though, is that, again, this should not be surprising to anyone that really understands the dynamics of Bangladesh.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:13', 'start_time': '11:48', 'text': 'So if you go back again to 71, the genocide, and I can use that word confidently for 1971, the genocide being perpetrated by, not just the East Pakistani army, not just the West Pakistani army, but also certain sections of East Pakistani or Bangladeshi society was directed against Bengali intelligentsia broadly, whether they were Hindu or Muslim.'},\n {'end_time': '12:26', 'start_time': '12:14', 'text': 'And then specifically against the Hindu minority, the aim was to try to decapitate the leadership class in Bengali society or in East Pakistani or Bangladeshi society.'},\n {'end_time': '12:38', 'start_time': '12:27', 'text': \"And for a long time now, the Hindus of Bangladesh have, you know, had had had had certain successes commercially or in terms of education, and, they've been amongst the educated classes, etcetera.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:51', 'start_time': '12:38', 'text': \"And so there was a lot of this double identity of you're a Hindu and you're an elite that led to, the genocide that we genuinely did see, but broadly against the Bangladeshi people rather than specifically directed at the Hindus.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:57', 'start_time': '12:52', 'text': 'There was excessive ferocity directed at the Hindus by the Pakistani army back in 1971.'},\n {'end_time': '13:07', 'start_time': '12:58', 'text': \"What's interesting is that that section of Bangladeshi society that supported the army in the genocide being committed on its own people, were a group known as the.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:26', 'start_time': '13:08', 'text': 'Now these these individuals, expressed effectively an Islamic ideology, and believed in the supremacy of Islam were against the kind of secular, ideology of the Awami League, which was the political party of Sheikh Mujib.'},\n {'end_time': '13:39', 'start_time': '13:26', 'text': 'So even though the broad Bangladesh independence movement was meant to be secular since it was being led by Sheikh Mujib, there was this Islamic ideological, stream within Bangladeshi society as well.'},\n {'end_time': '13:41', 'start_time': '13:39', 'text': 'Can can we just pause a little bit for a bit of a recap?'},\n {'end_time': '13:48', 'start_time': '13:42', 'text': 'So West Pakistan is trying to impose Urdu, on East Pakistan, which is modern day Bangladesh.'},\n {'end_time': '13:58', 'start_time': '13:48', 'text': 'West Pakistan is committing atrocities in East Pakistan on, Bangladeshi elite, as well as Bangladeshi Hindus.'},\n {'end_time': '13:59', 'start_time': '13:58', 'text': 'Fair to say?'},\n {'end_time': '14:00', 'start_time': '13:59', 'text': 'Please correct me.'},\n {'end_time': '14:00', 'start_time': '14:00', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '14:01', 'start_time': '14:00', 'text': \"That's absolutely accurate.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:02', 'start_time': '14:01', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '14:08', 'start_time': '14:03', 'text': 'I think national identity became a bone of contention for the average Bangladeshi.'},\n {'end_time': '14:13', 'start_time': '14:09', 'text': \"That's what started their freedom struggle from Western Pakistan.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:19', 'start_time': '14:13', 'text': 'The Indian Army went and helped, East Pakistan, which is Bangladesh in 1971, helped liberate the country.'},\n {'end_time': '14:23', 'start_time': '14:20', 'text': 'Apparently, within Bangladesh, there are effectively 2 factions.'},\n {'end_time': '14:27', 'start_time': '14:23', 'text': '1 is led by Mujibur Rahman, which is the Awami League.'},\n {'end_time': '14:28', 'start_time': '14:27', 'text': 'League.'},\n {'end_time': '14:31', 'start_time': '14:28', 'text': \"And the second, which is referred to as the razakars That's right.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:35', 'start_time': '14:32', 'text': 'Is the slightly more extremist, version.'},\n {'end_time': '14:44', 'start_time': '14:35', 'text': \"I think Sheikh Hasina recently had a statement where she said that if we don't, keep the reservation quota for our freedom fighters, should we keep it for the razakars?\"},\n {'end_time': '14:45', 'start_time': '14:44', 'text': \"And that's what caused the Precisely.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:47', 'start_time': '14:46', 'text': 'A big storm.'},\n {'end_time': '14:47', 'start_time': '14:47', 'text': 'Precisely.'},\n {'end_time': '14:55', 'start_time': '14:49', 'text': 'The thing is I do wish to know where this angle of masses versus classes comes up in Bangladesh.'},\n {'end_time': '14:56', 'start_time': '14:55', 'text': 'Why was this even a thing?'},\n {'end_time': '15:06', 'start_time': '14:58', 'text': \"Well, I mean, in general, I think you'll find that, society, well, anywhere is pretty unequal.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:14', 'start_time': '15:06', 'text': 'But, if you also have a society that feels immobile, that feels sclerotic, that feels oppressive.'},\n {'end_time': '15:21', 'start_time': '15:16', 'text': 'Populist movements, you can see, are now rising up really all over the world.'},\n {'end_time': '15:25', 'start_time': '15:21', 'text': \"And, again, you can go back in history to see that this is this shouldn't surprise no one.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:39', 'start_time': '15:26', 'text': 'Right from, you know, the French revolution, the US civil war or the English civil war, populist reactions to miscovenants, and sometimes not even miscovenants.'},\n {'end_time': '15:41', 'start_time': '15:39', 'text': 'Sometimes it can be a series of unfortunate circumstances.'},\n {'end_time': '15:42', 'start_time': '15:42', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '15:50', 'start_time': '15:42', 'text': 'A plague and a drought and a natural calamity just leads to the experience of a population being, unbearable, and you have this mass uprising.'},\n {'end_time': '16:12', 'start_time': '15:50', 'text': \"And, typically, there's an undercurrent of dissatisfaction, and then you have someone that arrives as either a charismatic leader or some precipitating incident like Shaykh Asina's statement that you just referred to or with the UK riots, you know, the murder of those 3 young, girls that caused a lot of the seething frustration that had somehow been bottled up to explode all of a sudden.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:13', 'start_time': '16:12', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '16:37', 'start_time': '16:13', 'text': \"And so, you know, it's it's in the case of Bangladesh, I think the point that I was making and and and and I'm glad you went to the quick history of partition, etcetera, because I think it's important again as Indians as we're trying to figure out, you know, what went wrong in Bangladesh because Sheikh Hasina was an ally, and, you know, we believe that, that was a legitimately elected, democratic government with the support of the people.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:38', 'start_time': '16:37', 'text': \"Really, you know, what's gone wrong?\"},\n {'end_time': '16:39', 'start_time': '16:38', 'text': \"I'll point to a couple of things.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:51', 'start_time': '16:39', 'text': 'I mean, note first that during partition, East Pakistani population obviously had a sufficiently powerful Muslim identity to want partition.'},\n {'end_time': '17:05', 'start_time': '16:52', 'text': \"And they seemed in fact to be quite supportive of Pakistani identity despite the fact that they're a split nation with India in between, you know, despite their close relationships with West Bengal, or the rest of India, etcetera.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:12', 'start_time': '17:05', 'text': \"So there's always been a powerful, national identity possible to be built in Bangladesh as well around religion.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:28', 'start_time': '17:13', 'text': 'It was only truly oppressive policies from the West Pakistanis from 1947 till the 19 sixties and leading up to 70/71 that kind of forces the hand of the East Pakistanis or the Bangladeshis to recognize that, look.'},\n {'end_time': '17:45', 'start_time': '17:29', 'text': 'Not only was partition important perhaps from a religious identity perspective, but we now need to seek our own independence, our own autonomy from a ethnoracial perspective because the West Pakistani Punjabi elite effectively views us as second class citizens within our own country.'},\n {'end_time': '17:53', 'start_time': '17:46', 'text': \"That didn't necessarily mean that the East Pakistani population was very pro Indian or very pro Hindu or very secular.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:54', 'start_time': '17:54', 'text': 'You see?'},\n {'end_time': '18:00', 'start_time': '17:54', 'text': \"So so so so a lot of this ends up getting confused in the minds of Indians because we've gone and helped liberate Bangladesh.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:05', 'start_time': '18:01', 'text': \"There's almost a sense that there must be such gratitude in Bangladesh for their Indian support.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:09', 'start_time': '18:06', 'text': \"But just note what's happened in a matter of days.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:09', 'start_time': '18:09', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '18:13', 'start_time': '18:09', 'text': 'You have a 15 year government that has, you know, fallen overnight.'},\n {'end_time': '18:21', 'start_time': '18:15', 'text': \"You have not just that, but sheikh Mujib's old house having been burned down that had been converted to a museum.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:34', 'start_time': '18:22', 'text': 'You have also the destruction or the vandalism of the famous statue in Dhaka that commemorated the surrender of the East Pakistani army, which in many ways is commemorating the birth of Bangladesh.'},\n {'end_time': '18:44', 'start_time': '18:34', 'text': 'So what exactly is the ideology that is expressing itself on the Bangladeshi streets today that seems to almost hit everything to do with the birth of Bangladesh itself?'},\n {'end_time': '18:55', 'start_time': '18:46', 'text': 'And so that obviously is a question that only time will answer in terms of, you know, which government actually forms and how that government runs itself and what governance looks like in Bangladesh.'},\n {'end_time': '19:11', 'start_time': '18:55', 'text': \"I think it's I think it's fascinating that Muhammad Yunus has been has been announced as a, you know, provisional leader of Bangladesh because, he's had a storied career in the west, and he's had a storied career in in academia, and he's obviously revolutionized microfinance and all of that.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:21', 'start_time': '19:12', 'text': 'But to what extent is he a man that can control the rabbit crowds that, you know, have been roaming the streets of Dhaka and other parts of Bangladesh remains to be seen.'},\n {'end_time': '19:21', 'start_time': '19:21', 'text': 'K.'},\n {'end_time': '19:31', 'start_time': '19:23', 'text': 'I think Thing School made a video on Bangladesh where he spoke about how in 1971, there was also a refugee crisis that India had to face.'},\n {'end_time': '19:31', 'start_time': '19:31', 'text': 'Of course.'},\n {'end_time': '19:34', 'start_time': '19:31', 'text': \"And we're likely looking at another refugee crisis at this point.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:42', 'start_time': '19:34', 'text': \"But the thing is, in 2024, it'll cost us upwards of $700,000,000 a year to be able to handle that influx of refugees.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:47', 'start_time': '19:43', 'text': 'So this problem is going to affect India from an economic perspective in a huge way.'},\n {'end_time': '19:49', 'start_time': '19:47', 'text': 'We just need to anticipate that.'},\n {'end_time': '19:50', 'start_time': '19:49', 'text': \"You're absolutely right.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:00', 'start_time': '19:50', 'text': \"I mean, I I I we weren't addressing the 71 conflict in detail, but, yes, absolutely, we had a we had a terrible, refugee crisis in, in 70, 71.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:05', 'start_time': '20:01', 'text': 'India was a very different place back then that, you know, we were barely able to feed our own people.'},\n {'end_time': '20:10', 'start_time': '20:05', 'text': 'So to be able to handle that level of influx of refugees back then was truly debilitating.'},\n {'end_time': '20:15', 'start_time': '20:10', 'text': 'And so in many ways, our humanitarian intervention in Bangladesh was also born out of necessity.'},\n {'end_time': '20:19', 'start_time': '20:16', 'text': \"That said, I'll draw 2 distinctions with the scenario in 2024.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:40', 'start_time': '20:19', 'text': \"One is that I would be surprised if there's a general influx of the general Bangladeshi population, because there doesn't seem to be the East Pakistan, West Pakistan dynamic, obviously, anymore where there's a genocide being committed effectively by Punjabis against Bengalis, which is what was going on in 71.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:49', 'start_time': '20:41', 'text': 'And and and instead, I think what you might see, which again should be unsurprising, is the draining of the minorities, from Bangladesh.'},\n {'end_time': '20:49', 'start_time': '20:49', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '21:00', 'start_time': '20:49', 'text': \"I mean, so, again, if you look at the statistics on minorities in Pakistan in 1947 versus today, you see it's a pretty steady, one would say, even rapid decline in the percentage of the population that is minority.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:05', 'start_time': '21:00', 'text': \"And I think you've seen a similar thing already happen in Bangladesh over the last 20 or 30 years.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:08', 'start_time': '21:05', 'text': 'And, you see that accelerate dramatically.'},\n {'end_time': '21:11', 'start_time': '21:08', 'text': 'And needless to say, those minorities will seek shelter in India.'},\n {'end_time': '21:39', 'start_time': '21:12', 'text': 'And so to the limited extent of the minorities, I think that, yes, we should expect, some influx, which I think, you know, this is the right moment for me to now mention, the CAA, which is a very, very controversial act, the Citizenship Amendment Act, which, you know, I think ended up being being being viewed as some sort of, you know, Hindu, you know, almost, form of religious discrimination.'},\n {'end_time': '21:48', 'start_time': '21:39', 'text': \"But I think that that's a misreading of the act, and what's happening in Bangladesh right now is a great life example of how much foresight there was actually in establishing that.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:48', 'start_time': '21:48', 'text': 'Look.'},\n {'end_time': '21:50', 'start_time': '21:48', 'text': 'What does CA do, Ranveer?'},\n {'end_time': '21:53', 'start_time': '21:50', 'text': \"I mean, fundamentally, if you read the text, it's very simple.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:01', 'start_time': '21:53', 'text': \"It it, you know, firstly, it doesn't address Indian citizens at all, which I think is an important clarification that I would love for your audience to understand to the extent that they haven't.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:05', 'start_time': '22:01', 'text': \"You know, I'm sure people will be aware of the controversy to do with CA and NRC, etcetera.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:07', 'start_time': '22:05', 'text': \"It doesn't address Indian citizens.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:13', 'start_time': '22:07', 'text': \"So any question of there being any kind of discrimination against Indian Muslims is out because it just, you know, doesn't apply to us as it were.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:17', 'start_time': '22:14', 'text': \"It's an act that applies to religious minorities in South Asia.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:21', 'start_time': '22:18', 'text': \"So it's India taking on a little bit of that, you know Big brother.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:22', 'start_time': '22:21', 'text': 'Exactly.'},\n {'end_time': '22:23', 'start_time': '22:22', 'text': 'And saying, look.'},\n {'end_time': '22:25', 'start_time': '22:23', 'text': \"We know what's happening in Afghanistan.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:26', 'start_time': '22:25', 'text': \"We know what's happening in Pakistan.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:28', 'start_time': '22:26', 'text': 'We know what might happen in Bangladesh.'},\n {'end_time': '22:34', 'start_time': '22:28', 'text': 'We know to a certain extent through Maoist takeover what might happen to the Hindu Kingdom of Nepal as well.'},\n {'end_time': '22:38', 'start_time': '22:34', 'text': 'And, or in fact, the example of the Chinese in Tibet.'},\n {'end_time': '22:57', 'start_time': '22:38', 'text': 'And so, you know, what CA does is it creates a list of these religious minorities and says that if there is persecution on the basis of religion that is occurring in our neighborhood, India will be a safe haven for those religious minorities in those countries.'},\n {'end_time': '23:11', 'start_time': '22:57', 'text': 'And so now given that, you know, Islam is not a religious minority in Afghanistan, Pakistan, or Bangladesh, of course, Muslims, you know, would find it difficult to claim persecution on the basis of religion.'},\n {'end_time': '23:14', 'start_time': '23:11', 'text': 'And so to that extent, people critique the CAA to say, oh, look.'},\n {'end_time': '23:18', 'start_time': '23:14', 'text': \"It's excluding Muslims, but there's a you know, it's not that the law wants to exclude Muslims.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:21', 'start_time': '23:18', 'text': \"It's it's trying to protect the religious minorities in our neighborhood.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:38', 'start_time': '23:21', 'text': \"And so in this particular situation, I would be very surprised if we don't see a process by which the Indian government negotiates with this new new Bangladeshi government to say, you know, provide safe passage of some kind to the Hindu minority that want to make the move to India.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:45', 'start_time': '23:38', 'text': 'And now we have a really powerful legal framework available domestically to handle those people and their affairs.'},\n {'end_time': '23:52', 'start_time': '23:45', 'text': 'In the absence of the citizenship amendment act, those people would effectively have no part to ever becoming citizens of India.'},\n {'end_time': '23:58', 'start_time': '23:52', 'text': \"And so they'd be stuck with refugee status effectively forever, which has happened to a lot of such minorities in the last 50 or 60 years as well.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:06', 'start_time': '23:58', 'text': \"So I don't think that, we'll see, the kind of refugee crisis that we saw, you know, in 70, 71.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:12', 'start_time': '24:07', 'text': \"I think that India's capacity and capability to handle it is far greater than 50 years ago in 2024.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:22', 'start_time': '24:13', 'text': 'And we now have a solid legal framework to say, minorities actually have, you know, a route to citizenship, in India.'},\n {'end_time': '24:23', 'start_time': '24:22', 'text': 'K.'},\n {'end_time': '24:31', 'start_time': '24:23', 'text': \"Do you think we'll actually see some kind of a migration of Bangladeshi Hindus in the coming 6 months?\"},\n {'end_time': '24:35', 'start_time': '24:35', 'text': 'Look.'},\n {'end_time': '24:41', 'start_time': '24:35', 'text': 'In general, Renee, these these, you know, these moments of regime change anywhere in the world are very fraught moments.'},\n {'end_time': '24:44', 'start_time': '24:43', 'text': \"It's a bit of a tinderbox.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:45', 'start_time': '24:44', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '24:50', 'start_time': '24:45', 'text': 'It all depends on, whether a number of things now head towards stability or total chaos.'},\n {'end_time': '25:20', 'start_time': '24:51', 'text': \"There's a number of examples globally of, situations like this that end up devolving into other anarchy in a country, with the rise of, you know, warlords and, criminal gangs and the rate of the state starting to reduce to the major cities and entire parts of the country kind of a live example, I mean, with the, you know, in Burma, the rebels in Burma now control something like 30, 40% of the territory of the country.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:27', 'start_time': '25:20', 'text': \"And so that's a really, really bad outcome, right, where you have another highly unstable nation, on our other side.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:32', 'start_time': '25:27', 'text': 'We already have one very unstable, neighbor, in Pakistan.'},\n {'end_time': '25:46', 'start_time': '25:32', 'text': \"And so, you know, if that's the situation, then you might see a more heavy handed intervention from India in order to really kind of actively go and, like, facilitate the arrival of these people on a fairly short window.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:49', 'start_time': '25:46', 'text': 'Like, the Indian military will be sent in.'},\n {'end_time': '25:49', 'start_time': '25:49', 'text': 'Look.'},\n {'end_time': '25:54', 'start_time': '25:49', 'text': 'Again, you know, this is this is very speculative, so I can draw you know, these are all probabilities.'},\n {'end_time': '26:06', 'start_time': '25:56', 'text': \"You know, again, I think that people exaggerate the ease with which countries intervene, so I wouldn't be surprised if India is quite conservative in its approach and is not going to, you know, have any knee jerk reactions.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:17', 'start_time': '26:06', 'text': \"You can see there's largely been studied silence from our government about everything that's been going on other than some soft messages of support for and, obviously, allowing her to, land in Delhi.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:31', 'start_time': '26:17', 'text': \"But, you know, as I say so let's let's start with a a spectrum of good and bad in terms of outcomes for Bangladesh itself, and then bases that kind of build into what might happen with the Hindus in Bangladesh.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:09', 'start_time': '26:32', 'text': \"So, you know, if if the violence that we've seen, if the attacks on minorities that we've seen, if the kind of blackmail of major institutional figures like the chief of the supreme court or the chief of the police, if that stuff dies down, if the army doesn't end up proving to be, political, which it has, by the way, in Bangladesh as well in the past, and if the students so called students movement ends up actually handing over the reins of power to a technocratic government led by an economist, which seems to be a possibility.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:40', 'start_time': '27:10', 'text': \"And if that technocracy is able to effectively bring a limited but important set of reforms to really respond to the critique of the Sheikh Hasina government, this might end up being a relatively peaceful transition of power where on, you know, at the grand scale of things, it sounds barbaric to say this, but 4 or 500 deaths seem seem like, you know, seem like we've got no way, with a relatively nonviolent or peaceful, transfer of power.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:55', 'start_time': '27:40', 'text': \"On the other hand, if these mobs in the streets of Dhaka continue to wield power and start to, you know, continue to dispense kind of mob justice, and really don't allow, this provisional government to function effectively.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:09', 'start_time': '27:55', 'text': 'If that populist movement kind of decides to hold, the new government to ransom on every policy issue, or begin some one time violence across minorities and across businesses, etcetera, etcetera.'},\n {'end_time': '28:16', 'start_time': '28:10', 'text': \"You know, you might see a country that's very, very quickly deteriorating into, as I said, a state of chaos and anarchy.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:23', 'start_time': '28:16', 'text': \"It's in that scenario that one could imagine, Indian needing to intervene in some way to protect minorities.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:38', 'start_time': '28:24', 'text': \"And what's interesting again is that in the absence of the kind of internal legal framework, we wouldn't even have, you know, a a a a a good set of processes to follow once these people are in, you know, once we manage to go and bring them into our country.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:42', 'start_time': '28:38', 'text': \"So I think it's actually really important that we have that legal framework in place.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:49', 'start_time': '28:42', 'text': \"There's enough under public international law that allows India to officially claim humanitarian intervention as its reason for going into Bangladesh.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:52', 'start_time': '28:49', 'text': \"So please don't discount the possibility entirely.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:55', 'start_time': '28:53', 'text': 'Do I expect war with Bangladesh?'},\n {'end_time': '28:55', 'start_time': '28:55', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '28:55', 'start_time': '28:55', 'text': \"I don't.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:59', 'start_time': '28:55', 'text': \"I don't think that the Bangladeshi army wants to go to war against India.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:01', 'start_time': '28:59', 'text': \"I don't think the Bangladeshi government wants to do that.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:24', 'start_time': '29:02', 'text': \"But as I say, in case formal systems of authority fail in Bangladesh and our minorities or their minorities, I should say, are, in serious threat, it's not impossible that you might see some sort of a military intervention purely from a minority protection perspective, being executed by India.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:24', 'start_time': '29:24', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '29:33', 'start_time': '29:24', 'text': \"I'm going to give a deeply oversimplified angle on the context of what's happening in 2024.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:34', 'start_time': '29:34', 'text': 'Sure.'},\n {'end_time': '29:36', 'start_time': '29:34', 'text': \"So Sheikh Hasina's been in power for 15 years.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:43', 'start_time': '29:37', 'text': \"All we heard about Sheikh Hasina's regime till up to about 2 years ago was positive things.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:47', 'start_time': '29:43', 'text': \"That it's helped the country's per, capita GDP, etcetera, etcetera.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:50', 'start_time': '29:47', 'text': \"She's been great for the women's workforce in Bangladesh.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:52', 'start_time': '29:50', 'text': 'These are the kind of narratives that would reach us in India.'},\n {'end_time': '30:01', 'start_time': '29:53', 'text': 'Over the last 2 years, you hear about a little bit of chaos here and there, some commotion, and then suddenly this situation breaks out.'},\n {'end_time': '30:13', 'start_time': '30:01', 'text': 'Now what the Internet tells us about the situation is that, there was a reservation based, quota system when it came to jobs in civil service.'},\n {'end_time': '30:21', 'start_time': '30:13', 'text': 'So the bureaucrats, the government jobs, they were mostly reserved for the descendants of freedom fighters from the 1971 movement.'},\n {'end_time': '30:24', 'start_time': '30:22', 'text': 'The rest of the country had a problem with this.'},\n {'end_time': '30:33', 'start_time': '30:24', 'text': \"The political angle here is Sheikh Hasina's Awami League, found its vote bank within the families of the freedom fighters.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:42', 'start_time': '30:34', 'text': \"So if they withdrew these reservations for government jobs, she'd also lose her vote bank's favor.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:49', 'start_time': '30:44', 'text': 'This was kind of the core context of the beginnings of this revolution.'},\n {'end_time': '30:57', 'start_time': '30:50', 'text': \"Tension kept building up, statements were made, and then literally in, like, a week's time, that whole country has erupted.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:05', 'start_time': '30:57', 'text': 'But over the last 2 years, I believe there has been, a bit of an economic downfall of Bangladesh triggered by the Russia Ukraine war.'},\n {'end_time': '31:14', 'start_time': '31:05', 'text': \"Because I believe Bangladesh had very limited exports, and those, few exports, which I'm sure Jute is one of them, I don't remember the other one.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:18', 'start_time': '31:15', 'text': \"It's actually become a significant manufacturing hub as well.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:18', 'start_time': '31:18', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '31:23', 'start_time': '31:18', 'text': \"So there's a big difference in between exporting jute and exporting, finished product.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:32', 'start_time': '31:24', 'text': \"And in fact, a lot of the clothes that all of us would have worn from any of the kind of fast fashion chains all over the world, you'll often be seeing made in Bangladesh.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:43', 'start_time': '31:32', 'text': 'So, you know, right alongside, Vietnam, Bangladesh has actually been a significant, has seen a significant rise in local manufacturing for low end goods.'},\n {'end_time': '31:44', 'start_time': '31:43', 'text': 'So that was a part of the economy.'},\n {'end_time': '32:00', 'start_time': '31:46', 'text': \"But, you know, to your point about, the economic situation in Bangladesh, look again in general, and we do you know, you'll find there are very few nations, on this planet that are truly capable of weathering crises.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:07', 'start_time': '32:01', 'text': 'You need to have a range of internal, intrinsic natural resources.'},\n {'end_time': '32:12', 'start_time': '32:08', 'text': 'You need a well organized internal system, both in terms of your private and public sector.'},\n {'end_time': '32:14', 'start_time': '32:12', 'text': 'You need a relatively educated and capable population.'},\n {'end_time': '32:27', 'start_time': '32:16', 'text': \"And and and so, you know, there are certain economies, and I'd point to the Russian economy as one that, you know, you wouldn't hear about as the most exciting place to go and move to and, you know, take a tech job and all of that.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:38', 'start_time': '32:27', 'text': \"But, like, that nation can sustain a 20 year conflict, and that's a different form of resilience than, you know, say, some western models of purely capitalist societies.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:52', 'start_time': '32:38', 'text': \"And so but coming back to Bangladesh, I think that that that Sheikh Hasina's rule, it turns out, was always more fraught than we in India thought.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:55', 'start_time': '32:52', 'text': 'So the narrative we got here was one-sided?'},\n {'end_time': '33:03', 'start_time': '32:56', 'text': 'This goes and be to the point that, a lot of the material that we consume nowadays is telling more of a story than delivering facts.'},\n {'end_time': '33:03', 'start_time': '33:03', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '33:27', 'start_time': '33:04', 'text': \"And I'm sure you've covered this with other guests, but it's becoming increasingly a challenge that each of us needs to take up ourselves to make sure that we're not ending up self propagandizing ourselves by making certain choices online in terms of the kind of content we consume, thereby encouraging the algorithm to give us only one type of content and, you know, subconsciously ending up stopping to question our sources.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:34', 'start_time': '33:27', 'text': \"And so, you know, the narrative in India on Bangladesh, I'll be very honest with you.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:37', 'start_time': '33:34', 'text': \"My general opinion has been India's never cared enough.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:50', 'start_time': '33:38', 'text': \"If you really had to critique the Indian perspective on Bangladesh, what I'd say is that it is appalling that we've managed to go and give birth to a country in 1970, 71 and failed to truly exercise hegemony over it.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:51', 'start_time': '33:50', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '33:56', 'start_time': '33:51', 'text': \"And it's the same feeling that we see in Nepal where there's been a sort of, you know, Maoist led Chinese influence takeover.\"},\n {'end_time': '34:01', 'start_time': '33:57', 'text': \"It's the same feeling in Pakistan where we've where we've historically had no influence at all.\"},\n {'end_time': '34:09', 'start_time': '34:01', 'text': \"It's the same feeling in Sri Lanka where we've, you know, again, allowed other powers to come and become as powerful and influential in our neighborhood as we have.\"},\n {'end_time': '34:18', 'start_time': '34:09', 'text': 'And now we have with the departure of Sheikh Hasina effectively another relatively, if not unfriendly, at least not a power with whom we have deep influence.'},\n {'end_time': '34:24', 'start_time': '34:18', 'text': \"And so the big challenge from the Indian perspective is that how is it that we're unable to wield influence even in our immediate neighborhood.\"},\n {'end_time': '34:28', 'start_time': '34:27', 'text': 'K.'},\n {'end_time': '34:30', 'start_time': '34:29', 'text': 'This is kind of an conversation.'},\n {'end_time': '34:33', 'start_time': '34:32', 'text': \"It's going in that realm.\"},\n {'end_time': '34:33', 'start_time': '34:33', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '34:52', 'start_time': '34:33', 'text': \"Well, I mean, that's a very again, you know, we need to we need to cover public international law and the notion of sovereignty and, you know, the fact that expansionist sort of traditional expansionist powers are really no longer the way nations operate.\"},\n {'end_time': '35:02', 'start_time': '34:52', 'text': 'The way we compete, the way we will influence, the way we, you know, play the game, play the great game is very different, from back in the day.'},\n {'end_time': '35:02', 'start_time': '35:02', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '35:09', 'start_time': '35:03', 'text': \"It's no longer necessarily about let's launch an invasion across the border and, you know, go and take more land.\"},\n {'end_time': '35:14', 'start_time': '35:09', 'text': \"It's more about how do we go and, you know, as I say, will influence, through the political class?\"},\n {'end_time': '35:17', 'start_time': '35:14', 'text': 'How do we go and own the most important assets?'},\n {'end_time': '35:22', 'start_time': '35:17', 'text': 'How do we dominate the most important areas of economic, activity?'},\n {'end_time': '35:22', 'start_time': '35:22', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '35:35', 'start_time': '35:22', 'text': \"I mean, so so so given the amount the world has changed, one doesn't necessarily any longer as a as a policymaker, as a strategist, think purely in terms of, you know, let's tank you know, let's send tanks across the border.\"},\n {'end_time': '35:43', 'start_time': '35:35', 'text': \"Although given what's happening in Ukraine, that is still a part of, what's going on, but it's a very, very particular set of circumstances that leads to that.\"},\n {'end_time': '35:44', 'start_time': '35:43', 'text': 'K.'},\n {'end_time': '35:51', 'start_time': '35:45', 'text': 'The explanation I gave about the recent events, would you like to add anything to that, the student protests?'},\n {'end_time': '35:52', 'start_time': '35:51', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '35:55', 'start_time': '35:52', 'text': 'So in fact, I, you know, I did want to address the point about, reservations.'},\n {'end_time': '35:56', 'start_time': '35:55', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '36:01', 'start_time': '35:56', 'text': 'And, you know, it really paints that story of the 2 social streams in Bangladesh.'},\n {'end_time': '36:02', 'start_time': '36:01', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '36:15', 'start_time': '36:02', 'text': \"A number of people that felt excluded from Bangladeshi society, like an entire section of their population effectively, that felt excluded because they didn't feel a part of the independence movement.\"},\n {'end_time': '36:15', 'start_time': '36:15', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '36:23', 'start_time': '36:15', 'text': 'So what so this reservation issue, I think, ended up becoming emblematic of the fact that Bangladeshi society seemed to be dominated by just one generation.'},\n {'end_time': '36:43', 'start_time': '36:24', 'text': \"And, you know, the part of society in 70, 71 that decided to fight, and as we know with all these issues with the lack of records and all that, who's taking advantage of some freedom fighter card and who's not and which is a real story and which is not really a, you know, a real story, etcetera, becomes very, very complicated very quickly.\"},\n {'end_time': '36:46', 'start_time': '36:43', 'text': 'But, you know, for me, the important thing is this.'},\n {'end_time': '36:53', 'start_time': '36:47', 'text': \"If you look at the reservation issue in Bangladesh, it wasn't just Sheikh Hasina's government has been in power for 15 years.\"},\n {'end_time': '36:57', 'start_time': '36:53', 'text': 'She wants to, you know, line the pockets of her voters.'},\n {'end_time': '36:59', 'start_time': '36:57', 'text': 'Therefore, this policy exists.'},\n {'end_time': '37:01', 'start_time': '36:59', 'text': 'For 15 years, people have been screening against it.'},\n {'end_time': '37:02', 'start_time': '37:01', 'text': \"Nothing's happened.\"},\n {'end_time': '37:05', 'start_time': '37:02', 'text': 'And finally, out of sheer frustration, they came out onto the streets.'},\n {'end_time': '37:06', 'start_time': '37:05', 'text': 'That is not the story.'},\n {'end_time': '37:09', 'start_time': '37:06', 'text': \"The reality is that the government's gone back and forth.\"},\n {'end_time': '37:10', 'start_time': '37:09', 'text': \"There's been a political process.\"},\n {'end_time': '37:20', 'start_time': '37:10', 'text': \"There's even been a legal process, and various courts in Bangladesh have found both for and against this reservation policy from the perspective of the Bangladeshi constitution.\"},\n {'end_time': '37:27', 'start_time': '37:20', 'text': 'Now we might criticize all of that, but the reality is that that is demo is democratic process in action.'},\n {'end_time': '37:29', 'start_time': '37:27', 'text': \"That's democracy as it's meant to be.\"},\n {'end_time': '37:31', 'start_time': '37:29', 'text': \"That's meant to be discussion.\"},\n {'end_time': '37:31', 'start_time': '37:31', 'text': 'We agree.'},\n {'end_time': '37:32', 'start_time': '37:31', 'text': 'We disagree.'},\n {'end_time': '37:33', 'start_time': '37:32', 'text': 'This policy can be improved.'},\n {'end_time': '37:35', 'start_time': '37:33', 'text': \"I'm gonna go challenge it in court.\"},\n {'end_time': '37:39', 'start_time': '37:35', 'text': \"I'm gonna challenge it at the and try to change government through an electoral process.\"},\n {'end_time': '37:47', 'start_time': '37:39', 'text': 'And instead of any of that, at the end of the day, you know, ended up being ousted purely through street violence.'},\n {'end_time': '37:50', 'start_time': '37:48', 'text': 'And that for sure is not a democratic process.'},\n {'end_time': '38:00', 'start_time': '37:50', 'text': \"And so, you know, I think that this issue of the, of the reservations ended up becoming the straw that breaks the camel's back as it were.\"},\n {'end_time': '38:06', 'start_time': '38:00', 'text': 'I think there were far deeper cultural questions that I think a lot of countries answering all over the world.'},\n {'end_time': '38:07', 'start_time': '38:06', 'text': 'Let me know.'},\n {'end_time': '38:12', 'start_time': '38:07', 'text': 'I think a major one in Bangladesh is, are they an Islamic nation, or are they a secular one?'},\n {'end_time': '38:27', 'start_time': '38:12', 'text': 'And so in many ways, Sheikh Hasina represented the Mujib, you know, almost Mujibism, and it is called Mujibism, this secular socialist big tent party that think of it as the Congress of India.'},\n {'end_time': '38:28', 'start_time': '38:27', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '38:41', 'start_time': '38:29', 'text': 'And her ouster might be might be, representative of a takeover of a more muscularly Islamist ideology.'},\n {'end_time': '38:46', 'start_time': '38:41', 'text': 'And to the sort of, you know, careful observers of Bangladesh, even over the last 20 years, you could see the signs.'},\n {'end_time': '38:49', 'start_time': '38:46', 'text': 'You had the occasional arm being chopped off.'},\n {'end_time': '38:52', 'start_time': '38:49', 'text': 'You had the occasional blasphemy, controversy.'},\n {'end_time': '39:01', 'start_time': '38:52', 'text': 'You had the occasional minority oppression incident where you could see that, look, not dissimilarly to Pakistan, mobs can gather and cause street violence very easily in Bangladesh.'},\n {'end_time': '39:12', 'start_time': '39:02', 'text': 'And what you finally saw was that same potential ending up realizing itself at such a scale that, Sheikh Hasina had to flee.'},\n {'end_time': '39:12', 'start_time': '39:12', 'text': 'K.'},\n {'end_time': '39:16', 'start_time': '39:14', 'text': \"PM Modi's been in power for the last 10 years.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:21', 'start_time': '39:17', 'text': 'Shay Kasina has been in latest stint for the last 15 years.'},\n {'end_time': '39:21', 'start_time': '39:21', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '39:24', 'start_time': '39:21', 'text': 'What was their equation over the years?'},\n {'end_time': '39:29', 'start_time': '39:25', 'text': 'Why has Shay Kasina been given a shelter in India?'},\n {'end_time': '39:39', 'start_time': '39:29', 'text': \"And the question I'd like for you to answer first is, could you give me 4 things that are going on within PM Modi's mind right now?\"},\n {'end_time': '39:42', 'start_time': '39:39', 'text': 'And, of course, I use PM Modi as a Indian policy maker.'},\n {'end_time': '39:42', 'start_time': '39:42', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '39:44', 'start_time': '39:42', 'text': 'Metaphor for probably the whole cabinet.'},\n {'end_time': '39:44', 'start_time': '39:44', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '39:45', 'start_time': '39:44', 'text': 'The Indian government.'},\n {'end_time': '39:46', 'start_time': '39:45', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '39:46', 'start_time': '39:46', 'text': 'Look.'},\n {'end_time': '39:52', 'start_time': '39:47', 'text': \"I think, in many ways, we've been a little bit blindsided by this.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:56', 'start_time': '39:52', 'text': 'By we, I mean, the foreign ministry or government in general.'},\n {'end_time': '40:05', 'start_time': '39:56', 'text': \"I think that we were relying on Sheikh Hasina's government being a stalwart partner for India, but I think we took it for granted a little bit.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:24', 'start_time': '40:06', 'text': \"I mean, that's the only explanation I can give you not being a policymaker myself that given, the importance of Bangladesh, if it goes badly, But the lack of importance of Bangladesh if the status quo is maintained, there was insufficient attention being paid by Indian policymakers to these issues in Bangladesh.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:29', 'start_time': '40:24', 'text': \"And so all of a sudden, we're kind of left with this, I think, slightly shocked position of like, oh my god.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:32', 'start_time': '40:29', 'text': 'This happened as quickly as it did.'},\n {'end_time': '40:42', 'start_time': '40:34', 'text': 'Because I think India and, you know, doctor ministry has been focused on, bigger fish to fry as they say.'},\n {'end_time': '40:42', 'start_time': '40:42', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '40:45', 'start_time': '40:42', 'text': \"So they've been focused on a lot of other policy objectives that they've had.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:50', 'start_time': '40:45', 'text': \"And Bangladesh, I don't think simply merited as much attention as now we realize it might have required.\"},\n {'end_time': '41:01', 'start_time': '40:52', 'text': 'The main things going on in Delhi today given what has occurred is, you know, what I would call scenario analysis.'},\n {'end_time': '41:01', 'start_time': '41:01', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '41:09', 'start_time': '41:01', 'text': 'So what are the various scenarios could you know, that could occur in the next few months in Bangladesh from good through to disastrous?'},\n {'end_time': '41:15', 'start_time': '41:10', 'text': 'What will the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th order consequences be basis with scenario occurs?'},\n {'end_time': '41:20', 'start_time': '41:16', 'text': 'And what, therefore, you know, should the Indian policy response be accordingly?'},\n {'end_time': '41:29', 'start_time': '41:21', 'text': \"And I think there's there's definitely concern that, you know, India can ill afford a highly unstable neighborhood.\"},\n {'end_time': '41:34', 'start_time': '41:30', 'text': 'The neighborhood is becoming increasingly unstable now in all directions.'},\n {'end_time': '41:40', 'start_time': '41:34', 'text': \"You know, a lot of nationalistic views, and I'm, you know, I'm nationalist.\"},\n {'end_time': '41:47', 'start_time': '41:40', 'text': 'But a lot of nationalistic views end up sort of feeling a sense of satisfaction with bad news coming out of Pakistan, for example.'},\n {'end_time': '41:57', 'start_time': '41:47', 'text': \"We really shouldn't because the single most dangerous outcome for India is through societal collapse in Pakistan, in Sri Lanka, in Bangladesh, or in Nepal.\"},\n {'end_time': '42:02', 'start_time': '41:58', 'text': 'True societal collapse inevitably is going to end up being a negative for India.'},\n {'end_time': '42:22', 'start_time': '42:03', 'text': \"So in many ways, and ironically, shoring up these regimes even at the cost of, you know, maybe Indian ideology or Indian policy and kind of, you know, getting into bed with people that we may not agree with, it's really important for us to just make sure that there's at least sufficient stability in the immediate neighborhood that we're not devolving into total anarchy.\"},\n {'end_time': '42:25', 'start_time': '42:23', 'text': \"What's an outcome of societal collapse in the neighborhood?\"},\n {'end_time': '42:38', 'start_time': '42:25', 'text': 'So, Pramir, the best example that I can give you of a potential societal collapse in our neighborhood and consequences, you know, on India and on the region, at large is Pakistan.'},\n {'end_time': '42:42', 'start_time': '42:39', 'text': 'Consider, the current status in Pakistan.'},\n {'end_time': '42:49', 'start_time': '42:43', 'text': 'You have a Pakistan that in many ways, is on the brink of societal disaster.'},\n {'end_time': '43:04', 'start_time': '42:51', 'text': \"If you pay attention to what's going on in that country, you've got the rise of regionalism, you know, Sindh, Balochistan, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, the northwest, Gilgit Baltistan, and then Punjab.\"},\n {'end_time': '43:12', 'start_time': '43:05', 'text': 'And in many ways, Punjab has been, the source of, elite power in Pakistan.'},\n {'end_time': '43:15', 'start_time': '43:12', 'text': 'Punjabi society is typically dominated mainstream Pakistan.'},\n {'end_time': '43:25', 'start_time': '43:16', 'text': 'And so, you can see a path towards social disintegration in Pakistan and the breakup of the nation quite realistically.'},\n {'end_time': '43:35', 'start_time': '43:25', 'text': 'And given more than anything else that Pakistan is a nuclear power, that is an absolute disaster, I would say, at a global level, not just a regional level.'},\n {'end_time': '43:53', 'start_time': '43:37', 'text': 'You know, the consequences could include everything from a full blown civil war right across our border, which will inevitably leak through the borders border in Rajasthan, Punjab, and Kashmir, cause real instability in our border states.'},\n {'end_time': '44:08', 'start_time': '43:54', 'text': 'Typically, you know, instability, right next to you means criminal gangs, smuggling, you know, the illegal movement of people, the infiltration of terrorists and bad actors starts to become increasingly problematic.'},\n {'end_time': '44:19', 'start_time': '44:09', 'text': 'And so in many ways, having a stable regime across the border is the single greatest protection you can have from, effectively having leaked instability coming into India as well.'},\n {'end_time': '44:31', 'start_time': '44:20', 'text': \"The narrative that I've received on the show until this point in the whole podcasting journey is that Pakistan's always been difficult as a neighbor when it comes to India.\"},\n {'end_time': '44:40', 'start_time': '44:32', 'text': \"So are you saying that perhaps in the next 5 to 10 years with the increasing instability in Pakistan, they're gonna be an even worse neighbor?\"},\n {'end_time': '44:42', 'start_time': '44:41', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '44:53', 'start_time': '44:42', 'text': 'Unfortunately, and, you know, this is truly ironic, but, as Indians, we should really be hoping and praying, for the success of Pakistan.'},\n {'end_time': '44:57', 'start_time': '44:54', 'text': \"Because in 2024, they've ceased to be a serious threat.\"},\n {'end_time': '45:16', 'start_time': '44:58', 'text': 'The fact that we allowed them to develop nuclear weapons back in the seventies eighties and, you know, they tested soon after us in the nineties is one of those great generational failures of Indian foreign and security and strategic policy, which has sort of permanently established a a a nuclear deterrent vis a vis Pakistan.'},\n {'end_time': '45:21', 'start_time': '45:16', 'text': \"It's really tied our hands in terms of the policy responses that we have available to us.\"},\n {'end_time': '45:33', 'start_time': '45:21', 'text': \"And so the Pakistani strategy for a long time has been use the nuclear umbrella to blackmail India into being unresponsive to the death by a 1000 cut strategy that they're pursuing through asymmetric warfare.\"},\n {'end_time': '45:34', 'start_time': '45:34', 'text': \"You'll have to break that.\"},\n {'end_time': '45:41', 'start_time': '45:36', 'text': \"It's a very, very simple strategic, position from the Pakistanis.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:10', 'start_time': '45:41', 'text': \"They recognize their conventional inferiority to India back in the day, having tried to fight, 3 wars, you know, 48, 65, 71, and then obviously, Kargil, and pursued nuclear weapons effectively as a strategic deterrent, I e, a weapon that allows them to say to India, if you take a war, a conventional war with us too far and so I've laughingly described the Pakistani Army strategy as the strategy.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:15', 'start_time': '46:13', 'text': \"And and and and it's kind of true.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:18', 'start_time': '46:15', 'text': 'The message that they send to India is, boss, you never know.'},\n {'end_time': '46:20', 'start_time': '46:18', 'text': 'We might just push the button.'},\n {'end_time': '46:23', 'start_time': '46:20', 'text': \"So, effectively, it's their insurance policy, and that's fine.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:29', 'start_time': '46:23', 'text': 'A lot of nations, including Israel, use nuclear weapons, including India, as an insurance policy.'},\n {'end_time': '46:32', 'start_time': '46:29', 'text': \"Now look at the distinction between India's nuclear policy and Pakistan's.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:37', 'start_time': '46:33', 'text': 'Pakistan says categorically, we may use nuclear weapons first.'},\n {'end_time': '46:42', 'start_time': '46:38', 'text': 'India, by contrast, has a no first strike policy established and published.'},\n {'end_time': '46:43', 'start_time': '46:43', 'text': 'So India says, yes.'},\n {'end_time': '46:51', 'start_time': '46:43', 'text': \"We're a nuclear power, but we're a very responsible nuclear power, and we won't use nuclear weapons unless nuclear weapons are used on us first.\"},\n {'end_time': '47:10', 'start_time': '46:52', 'text': \"Now the reason Pakistan, has maintained the first strike policy is so that they can effectively prevent India from responding militarily to the cross border militancy that they've been supporting both in Kashmir and more broadly in India for the last 30 odd years.\"},\n {'end_time': '47:14', 'start_time': '47:10', 'text': \"And so that's what I meant by Pakistan's death by a 1,000 cut strategy.\"},\n {'end_time': '47:14', 'start_time': '47:14', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '47:35', 'start_time': '47:14', 'text': \"So they you know, whether it's creating instability in Kashmir or creating instability in Punjab or, facilitating terrorism and Islamic separatism all over our country, Those were asymmetric strategies where Pakistan doesn't actually go toe to toe with us and start a major war, but instead, they kind of try to eat us from the inside through those sorts of strategies.\"},\n {'end_time': '47:44', 'start_time': '47:35', 'text': \"And the only reason they're able to continue to escalate with those sorts of strategies is because they have their ultimate nuclear umbrella to say that, what are you gonna do?\"},\n {'end_time': '47:52', 'start_time': '47:44', 'text': 'So, you know, you said something along the lines of, it was a failure of our external affairs ministry back then in 1971.'},\n {'end_time': '48:10', 'start_time': '47:53', 'text': 'The narrative I have got about Pakistan until this point is that, up till the time of the Cargill war, they were heavily kind of wink wink supported by America over all those years in order to build a strong opponent against the rising power of India.'},\n {'end_time': '48:14', 'start_time': '48:10', 'text': 'So what could we have done to take on America back in the 19 seventies?'},\n {'end_time': '48:15', 'start_time': '48:15', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '48:16', 'start_time': '48:15', 'text': 'I mean, okay.'},\n {'end_time': '48:18', 'start_time': '48:16', 'text': \"So there's a lot to unpack in that.\"},\n {'end_time': '48:18', 'start_time': '48:18', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '48:26', 'start_time': '48:18', 'text': \"So so so and we might actually be able to come back to Bangladesh as well because that's an example of where India did do something despite American opposition.\"},\n {'end_time': '48:30', 'start_time': '48:27', 'text': \"So, again, you're absolutely correct.\"},\n {'end_time': '48:46', 'start_time': '48:30', 'text': 'In the early years after the independence of India and Pakistan, Pakistan ended up becoming very close to the United States at a strategic level, at a military level, and received significant amounts of economic aid as well.'},\n {'end_time': '48:52', 'start_time': '48:47', 'text': 'India was formally nonaligned, but was quite close to the Soviet Union.'},\n {'end_time': '49:00', 'start_time': '48:53', 'text': 'Nehruvian policies had a little bit of a socialist tinge to them, which made them quite unpopular in the west and quite popular in the Soviet Union.'},\n {'end_time': '49:07', 'start_time': '49:01', 'text': \"And, you know, what that led to, of course, was was a rapid rise in Pakistan's economic outcomes.\"},\n {'end_time': '49:17', 'start_time': '49:07', 'text': 'If you look at the first 10, 15, 20 years after independence, you actually see the Pakistani economy outperforms the Indian economy by leaps and bounds.'},\n {'end_time': '49:25', 'start_time': '49:18', 'text': 'Pakistan started to consider itself to be a technologically advanced military, a capitalist society, an economic powerhouse.'},\n {'end_time': '49:28', 'start_time': '49:25', 'text': \"They're really enjoying American patronage.\"},\n {'end_time': '49:34', 'start_time': '49:30', 'text': 'The context of American support to Pakistan is very much driven by the Cold War.'},\n {'end_time': '49:48', 'start_time': '49:35', 'text': 'They saw India as a pseudo socialist Soviet Union leaning power and felt the need to balance off by having a major ally in the subcontinent that they could call their own.'},\n {'end_time': '49:55', 'start_time': '49:48', 'text': 'And the fact is in me that American foreign policy throughout the Cold War, expressed realpolitik.'},\n {'end_time': '49:59', 'start_time': '49:56', 'text': 'What realpolitik means is that you put ideology aside.'},\n {'end_time': '50:00', 'start_time': '49:59', 'text': 'You put values aside.'},\n {'end_time': '50:02', 'start_time': '50:00', 'text': 'You put democracy aside.'},\n {'end_time': '50:06', 'start_time': '50:02', 'text': 'You put human rights and, you know, civilian rule aside.'},\n {'end_time': '50:13', 'start_time': '50:06', 'text': 'You sort of stop caring about everything that America represents from an ideological or values perspective and focus only on outcomes.'},\n {'end_time': '50:18', 'start_time': '50:14', 'text': 'So the Soviets have invaded Afghanistan, in 1979.'},\n {'end_time': '50:21', 'start_time': '50:19', 'text': 'The Americans want to figure out a way to respond.'},\n {'end_time': '50:27', 'start_time': '50:22', 'text': \"The only nation that's available, and and and willing is Pakistan.\"},\n {'end_time': '50:36', 'start_time': '50:28', 'text': 'So it is a very tactical thing that we need Pakistan to be an ally because we want to be able to interfere with the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.'},\n {'end_time': '50:44', 'start_time': '50:36', 'text': 'Hence, the creation of the Mujahid groups, hence the funding received from the United States and Saudi Arabia, hence, effectively, the creation of the modern day Taliban.'},\n {'end_time': '50:56', 'start_time': '50:44', 'text': 'The Taliban is effectively the name given to the organization that was formed by the Afghan freedom fighters who, with American and Pakistani support, ended up fighting off the Soviet Union between 79 and 89.'},\n {'end_time': '50:58', 'start_time': '50:57', 'text': \"And so, you know, you're right.\"},\n {'end_time': '51:01', 'start_time': '50:58', 'text': 'There is a history of American patronage to Pakistan.'},\n {'end_time': '51:09', 'start_time': '51:01', 'text': \"There's also equally an uncomfortable history of diplomatic awkwardness between India and the United States for exactly that reason.\"},\n {'end_time': '51:38', 'start_time': '51:13', 'text': 'A lot has changed since the end of the American intervention in Afghanistan most recently because sort of round 2 of Pakistan becoming a mission critical partner for the Americans started after 911 when the Americans had to kind of go back into Afghanistan and this time themselves, and Pakistan ended up becoming a key ally in America being able to prosecute their war in Afghanistan.'},\n {'end_time': '51:51', 'start_time': '51:39', 'text': 'The most fascinating, aspect of that period in history when the Americans were in Afghanistan, so think from 2,001 till they left a few years ago, was the double game that the Pakistanis were able to play.'},\n {'end_time': '52:12', 'start_time': '51:51', 'text': \"They were effectively able to, on the one hand, say we're mission critical to your operations in Afghanistan, and at the same time, were able to funnel a part of the funding that they were receiving to support American, troops in Afghanistan to organizations like the Haqqani network and certain parts of the Taliban that enjoyed safe haven in Pakistan.\"},\n {'end_time': '52:29', 'start_time': '52:13', 'text': 'So, fascinatingly, the US Pakistani relationship itself has become quite complicated for that reason because American policymakers ended up realizing that, you know, yes, we need the Pakistani establishment in order to be able to support the troops in Afghanistan.'},\n {'end_time': '52:45', 'start_time': '52:29', 'text': \"But at the same time, it's clear that our main enemy in Afghanistan, the power that has prevented Afghanistan from actually being reconstructed and transforming itself into a secular society, effectively, the power responsible for the failure of the American mission in Afghanistan is also Pakistan.\"},\n {'end_time': '52:57', 'start_time': '52:46', 'text': 'Even more ironically, Ranir, since the departure of the Americans, Pakistan has suffered dramatically the consequences of their own actions in Afghanistan.'},\n {'end_time': '53:12', 'start_time': '52:58', 'text': 'So, you know, what you see in general is, the tactical use of religious fervor, whether by the Americans when they wanted to have Mujahid fighting the Soviets or whether by the Pakistanis when they wanted to, you know, cause problems for the Americans in Afghanistan.'},\n {'end_time': '53:19', 'start_time': '53:13', 'text': 'If you end up supporting extremist ideologies, those ideologies often can come back to cause you serious problems.'},\n {'end_time': '53:29', 'start_time': '53:19', 'text': \"And that's exactly what the Pakistanis are now experiencing, where in their border regions with Afghanistan, they're rapidly starting to see the establishment of a Pakistani Taliban.\"},\n {'end_time': '53:45', 'start_time': '53:29', 'text': \"So I don't know if you've tracked this, Ranvir, but a lot of the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa region now is not only no longer controlled by the Pakistani state, but is effectively policed and governed by the Tehrik Taliban Pakistan, which is the Pakistani sister organization of the Afghan Taliban.\"},\n {'end_time': '53:47', 'start_time': '53:46', 'text': 'Who who wants what?'},\n {'end_time': '53:55', 'start_time': '53:48', 'text': 'Who are looking to establish a Sharia based Islamic society in the whole of Pakistan.'},\n {'end_time': '54:08', 'start_time': '53:57', 'text': 'And so you have now the dangers and the risks of a Islamist revolution occurring across Pakistani society.'},\n {'end_time': '54:16', 'start_time': '54:09', 'text': 'For the last 15 years or so, the Pakistan army has managed to suppress such issues by making them border skirmishes.'},\n {'end_time': '54:18', 'start_time': '54:16', 'text': \"You know, there's something happening at the Afghan border.\"},\n {'end_time': '54:19', 'start_time': '54:18', 'text': \"It's not reaching Lahore.\"},\n {'end_time': '54:20', 'start_time': '54:19', 'text': \"It's not reaching Karachi.\"},\n {'end_time': '54:21', 'start_time': '54:20', 'text': \"It's not coming to Raul Pindi.\"},\n {'end_time': '54:22', 'start_time': '54:21', 'text': \"It's not going to Islamabad.\"},\n {'end_time': '54:24', 'start_time': '54:23', 'text': \"That's changing dramatically.\"},\n {'end_time': '54:36', 'start_time': '54:24', 'text': 'And the real shift that you see in Pakistani politics is actually with the rise of Imran Khan, who in many ways represented a legitimate political wing of this kind of Islamist ideology.'},\n {'end_time': '54:41', 'start_time': '54:36', 'text': 'You can see that Imran Khan has very close relationships with some of the senior leaders of the Pakistani Taliban.'},\n {'end_time': '54:43', 'start_time': '54:42', 'text': 'He himself is a Pathan.'},\n {'end_time': '54:45', 'start_time': '54:43', 'text': 'He comes from that region.'},\n {'end_time': '54:48', 'start_time': '54:45', 'text': 'And Pathans ultimately from an ethnic perspective are Afghan.'},\n {'end_time': '55:27', 'start_time': '54:48', 'text': \"And so in many ways, you're seeing, this this ouster of Imran Khan, his jailing, the re arrival of Nawaz Sharif, and the establishment of this kind of mainstream establishment political party, and and and and government in Pakistan is, certain powers that be, perhaps even the United States, recognizing that this is becoming an increasingly dangerous situation in Pakistan and a truly, you know, Islamic ideology might take over the main reigns of government itself, which is why they had to get rid of Imran Khan and make sure that a, more traditional Pakistani elite took over government again.\"},\n {'end_time': '55:32', 'start_time': '55:27', 'text': 'Does the Bangladesh situation mean anything to the Pakistani government?'},\n {'end_time': '55:35', 'start_time': '55:33', 'text': \"You know, it's a very it's a very interesting question.\"},\n {'end_time': '55:43', 'start_time': '55:35', 'text': \"I mean, obviously, you've you've you've you've raised already the, conspiracy theories on the Internet surrounding, the Americans being involved in Bangladesh.\"},\n {'end_time': '55:50', 'start_time': '55:43', 'text': \"And given everything I've just said about American intervention in Pakistan, why would it not be possible that the Americans are involved in Bangladesh as well?\"},\n {'end_time': '55:54', 'start_time': '55:51', 'text': \"You know, what I'd say there, Anvir, is is is I'm not convinced.\"},\n {'end_time': '56:06', 'start_time': '55:54', 'text': \"I'm not convinced that, you know, the Americans have executed this as a plot to get rid of Sheikh Hasina in order to be able to get access to military bases.\"},\n {'end_time': '56:10', 'start_time': '56:06', 'text': \"You know, I've heard reference to, the island of Saint Martin, etcetera.\"},\n {'end_time': '56:13', 'start_time': '56:10', 'text': \"And the reason I'm not convinced by that is the following.\"},\n {'end_time': '56:28', 'start_time': '56:13', 'text': 'Number 1, there seems to be no historical evidence of deep American influence on the Bangladeshi government the way we have historical evidence of the deepest amount of influence being able to be wielded on the West Pakistani government, which the Americans have always managed to do.'},\n {'end_time': '56:39', 'start_time': '56:28', 'text': \"There are no American military bases in Bangladesh, and there's really no evidence of the American policy establishment even being as focused on Bangladesh as they have been on Pakistan.\"},\n {'end_time': '56:51', 'start_time': '56:40', 'text': \"2nd, I think it's very likely that a leader like Sheikh Hasina, ended up in one of those, delusions of hubris.\"},\n {'end_time': '57:05', 'start_time': '56:51', 'text': 'You know, with the best of intention being the daughter of Sheikh Mujib, being a secularist, believing in the sort of India model of development, you know, build a strong economy, have relatively socialist policies, be inclusive, include all your communities.'},\n {'end_time': '57:08', 'start_time': '57:06', 'text': 'She would have had all of that, I think, as genuine intent.'},\n {'end_time': '57:12', 'start_time': '57:08', 'text': 'I think she was a sincere Bangladeshi national in the mold of her father.'},\n {'end_time': '57:28', 'start_time': '57:13', 'text': 'But I think she may also have completely lost touch with the realities on the ground and ended up, representing, as I say, a more authoritarian form of government that is less open to dissent, less open to other voices than one would think.'},\n {'end_time': '57:50', 'start_time': '57:28', 'text': \"And so the fact that she ended up unceremoniously being kind of booted out of the country with only 45 minutes to get onto a plane, I'm not surprised that a leader who has ruled a country sort of with an iron fist for 15 years would look for herself a conspiracy theory to justify how this has happened.\"},\n {'end_time': '57:54', 'start_time': '57:50', 'text': \"You know, I'll give you the example of, you know, sheikh Mujib himself.\"},\n {'end_time': '58:02', 'start_time': '57:54', 'text': 'Indian intelligence agencies had given him information about a potential coup, and he he had shrugged it off saying my own people would never do that to me.'},\n {'end_time': '58:06', 'start_time': '58:02', 'text': 'And then he ended up being shot with his entire family by that same coup a few days later.'},\n {'end_time': '58:24', 'start_time': '58:07', 'text': \"I think similarly, Sheikh Hasina may have gotten into a into a mindset that made her feel that if there are mass protests against my rule, if people are really unable to accept my rule, it's likely that there are foreign powers behind it.\"},\n {'end_time': '58:41', 'start_time': '58:24', 'text': \"And so, you know, without, knowing obviously what she knows, my sense would be that it's less likely, that the Americans are single handedly responsible for Sheikh Hasina's ouster.\"},\n {'end_time': '58:50', 'start_time': '58:41', 'text': \"It's much more likely that America is merely one small factor among, you know, many authentic local factors, that led to this.\"},\n {'end_time': '58:58', 'start_time': '58:51', 'text': \"I'm gonna try digging deep into the realm of conspiracy theories a little bit for the sake of understanding this conversation better.\"},\n {'end_time': '59:07', 'start_time': '58:59', 'text': \"There's a documentary called The Social Dilemma, which spoke about how social media is responsible for polarizing the whole world, which is a theory I'm deeply convinced about.\"},\n {'end_time': '59:16', 'start_time': '59:07', 'text': \"And I think that one can only break out of that sense of polarization through conscious self effort, but you can't expect that from the masses of any country, be it America, Bangladesh, Japan, whatever.\"},\n {'end_time': '59:18', 'start_time': '59:16', 'text': 'I think the whole world is becoming a little more polarized.'},\n {'end_time': '59:35', 'start_time': '59:19', 'text': 'And especially in situations like, whatever we saw in Bangladesh over the last month, I think social media has played a role in terms of, elevating emotions and elevating fervor that led to this kind of a protest throughout the nation.'},\n {'end_time': '59:54', 'start_time': '59:35', 'text': 'I think the conspiracy theory associated with, America in Bangladesh is that could it be that America wanted the removal of Sheikh Hasina in order to kind of softly take over Bangladesh, and make them a bit of a colony?'},\n {'end_time': '59:58', 'start_time': '59:55', 'text': \"Was Bangladesh just getting too strong because of Sheikh Hasina's presence?\"},\n {'end_time': '1:00:02', 'start_time': '1:00:00', 'text': 'You know, something along these lines.'},\n {'end_time': '1:00:02', 'start_time': '1:00:02', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '1:00:10', 'start_time': '1:00:03', 'text': 'Therefore, did America affect the social media within Bangladesh to escalate that situation?'},\n {'end_time': '1:00:10', 'start_time': '1:00:10', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '1:00:18', 'start_time': '1:00:11', 'text': 'This is not my thought process, but this is where the conspiracy theories arise from.'},\n {'end_time': '1:00:19', 'start_time': '1:00:19', 'text': 'No?'},\n {'end_time': '1:00:21', 'start_time': '1:00:19', 'text': \"You wanna talk about Saint Martin's Island?\"},\n {'end_time': '1:00:21', 'start_time': '1:00:21', 'text': 'Anything?'},\n {'end_time': '1:00:22', 'start_time': '1:00:22', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '1:00:41', 'start_time': '1:00:22', 'text': \"So so so look, firstly, I mean, there's no there's no doubt that the power of technology today has has allowed for spontaneous transmission of inflammatory material to lead to sudden, social upheaval.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:00:54', 'start_time': '1:00:42', 'text': 'And you see this with the number of revolutions over the last decade that have occurred in Egypt and other parts of the Muslim world, in Ukraine in 2014, and in Bangladesh today.'},\n {'end_time': '1:01:12', 'start_time': '1:00:55', 'text': \"So there's definitely a rule that can be ascribed to the fact that, you know, before the rise of, you know, social media and tech that really allows for an idea to spread like wildfire, you know, virality as we talk about, it was difficult to just get the message across.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:01:23', 'start_time': '1:01:12', 'text': \"You almost had a natural dampener for these sorts of social upheavals that people just wouldn't hear the message at the scale and at the pace, that you need for true social upheaval to occur.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:01:24', 'start_time': '1:01:23', 'text': \"Now you've got that ability.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:01:24', 'start_time': '1:01:24', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '1:01:41', 'start_time': '1:01:24', 'text': \"You've got the tools that if you get the message right and if there's some, you know, existing frustration that you're tapping into, you can cause, a poor, uneducated population, to resort to extremes and violence.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:01:45', 'start_time': '1:01:43', 'text': \"That said, let's test the theory.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:01:45', 'start_time': '1:01:45', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '1:01:59', 'start_time': '1:01:45', 'text': \"Let's be open to the theory that the Americans have gone out of their way as a matter of policy to influence the way this tool of social media is being deployed in Bangladesh to cause the outroshakers, you know, for some strategic purpose.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:01:59', 'start_time': '1:01:59', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '1:02:03', 'start_time': '1:01:59', 'text': \"That's Could we first talk about the possible strategic purpose?\"},\n {'end_time': '1:02:03', 'start_time': '1:02:03', 'text': 'Exactly.'},\n {'end_time': '1:02:14', 'start_time': '1:02:03', 'text': \"And so the way I was going to test whether or not, you know, that's a likely possibility is to ask myself, what could America's strategic purpose be, and how much of a priority would that strategic purpose be?\"},\n {'end_time': '1:02:15', 'start_time': '1:02:14', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '1:02:20', 'start_time': '1:02:15', 'text': 'I mean, is this like a, top three thing that American policymakers are thinking about?'},\n {'end_time': '1:02:23', 'start_time': '1:02:20', 'text': \"Like, what's going on in Bangladesh, or is it not?\"},\n {'end_time': '1:02:32', 'start_time': '1:02:23', 'text': \"And, I mean, my first answer is, especially given what's going on in the world, I really doubt anyone high up there in the US government, was paying attention to what's going on in Bangladesh.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:02:39', 'start_time': '1:02:33', 'text': \"I don't think that American hard or soft power is affected at a global level whether Sheikh Hasina is in power or not.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:02:56', 'start_time': '1:02:40', 'text': 'You know, if you just take a step back and look at the dashboard for an American policymaker today, they have a major war in Europe against their only, you know, sort of great power, adversary, Russia.'},\n {'end_time': '1:03:01', 'start_time': '1:02:58', 'text': 'They have an incredibly unstable Middle East.'},\n {'end_time': '1:03:08', 'start_time': '1:03:03', 'text': 'Again, a tinderbox waiting to explore, especially given recent events, over there.'},\n {'end_time': '1:03:22', 'start_time': '1:03:09', 'text': \"And in Asia, they have a resurgent China that, in many ways, didn't enjoy significant influence in Bangladesh precisely because of Sheikh Hasina.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:03:32', 'start_time': '1:03:22', 'text': 'So it is the Bangladeshi opposition that actually, one could argue, has closer ties to the Chinese rather than Sheikh Hasina who clearly had much closer ties to the Indians.'},\n {'end_time': '1:03:38', 'start_time': '1:03:33', 'text': \"And so this is, again, pure speculation because I'm surely not an American, you know, foreign policy maker.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:03:49', 'start_time': '1:03:39', 'text': \"But my analysis would be that, you know, given the geopolitical context in 2024, the Americans are heavily invested in India's success.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:04:04', 'start_time': '1:03:50', 'text': 'And so I would be very surprised if the Americans would go after an Indian ally in Bangladesh in order to create instability on the Indian border, especially given the Bangladeshi opposition is quite close to China.'},\n {'end_time': '1:04:15', 'start_time': '1:04:04', 'text': 'And so, you know, it feels to me much more in American strategic interests to have a strong and closely allied Bangladesh to India.'},\n {'end_time': '1:04:17', 'start_time': '1:04:15', 'text': \"What about China's strategic interest?\"},\n {'end_time': '1:04:18', 'start_time': '1:04:18', 'text': 'Exactly.'},\n {'end_time': '1:04:28', 'start_time': '1:04:18', 'text': \"And so far, you know, more obvious bet if one had to argue that external influence has been relevant, to what's happened in Bangladesh is actually China.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:04:32', 'start_time': '1:04:29', 'text': 'You know, China conducts significant foreign operations.'},\n {'end_time': '1:04:36', 'start_time': '1:04:33', 'text': 'China truly is, ideologically neutral.'},\n {'end_time': '1:04:41', 'start_time': '1:04:36', 'text': \"They don't go and impose their ideology on African nations or Southeast Asian nations.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:04:43', 'start_time': '1:04:41', 'text': \"It's a very transactional relationship.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:04:50', 'start_time': '1:04:43', 'text': 'And, you know, the Chinese have significant strategic interests in trying to slow India down.'},\n {'end_time': '1:05:05', 'start_time': '1:04:50', 'text': \"Even if they're trying to delay or postpone a direct confrontation with India, they have a lot to gain from India's economic growth becoming slower, more fraught, more challenged.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:05:15', 'start_time': '1:05:05', 'text': 'They have a great strategic interest in minor instability in India, you know, riots, civil disobedience, social upheaval.'},\n {'end_time': '1:05:19', 'start_time': '1:05:15', 'text': 'And the weak points are our 2 neighbors.'},\n {'end_time': '1:05:32', 'start_time': '1:05:20', 'text': \"You know, if you if you if you create instability in Bangladesh or if you change the government in Bangladesh such that it's, you know, more pro China, less pro India, that's a huge strategic victory for the Chinese.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:05:52', 'start_time': '1:05:32', 'text': \"Because if you end up in a situation where this new Bangladeshi government, for example, is heavily pro Chinese, the Chinese now have access to an enormous coastline, significant harbor, significant ports, significant naval installations all in the Bay of Bengal, which, by the way, strategically is incredibly important because they're no longer blocked off at the Straits of Malacca.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:06:12', 'start_time': '1:05:52', 'text': \"So our ability to effectively interdict Chinese supply by saying that we can blockade the Straits of Malacca because they need to come all the way from East Asia to be able to enter the Bay of Bengal and access the Arabian Ocean and then conduct trade with the rest of the world, we'll no longer be in a position to do that because they would have ports and harbors in the Bay of Bengal itself.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:06:19', 'start_time': '1:06:12', 'text': \"So, you know, I don't I don't really know why the Indian Internet enjoys conspiracy about the United States as much as they do.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:06:22', 'start_time': '1:06:20', 'text': 'And, look, this is not to defend the United States at all.'},\n {'end_time': '1:06:28', 'start_time': '1:06:22', 'text': 'Now just like to be clear, the United States has done all kinds of things that will shock your audience all over the world.'},\n {'end_time': '1:06:32', 'start_time': '1:06:30', 'text': \"I just don't think that is likely to be the case in this situation.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:06:37', 'start_time': '1:06:32', 'text': \"I don't see enough of a so let's assume, you know, you mentioned the island of Saint Martin.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:06:41', 'start_time': '1:06:37', 'text': \"Let's assume the American sort of was really important that the island of Saint Martin got militarized.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:06:58', 'start_time': '1:06:42', 'text': \"If you ask me, it's much more likely that an American policymaker will pick up the phone and speak to doctor and say, boss, make sure that the Bangladeshis allow you to build a base on this island so that we together are able to kind of act as a strategic deterrent vis a vis China.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:07:06', 'start_time': '1:06:59', 'text': \"It's much less likely that the Americans would say, let's destabilize the entire nation so we can end up with a military base on an island.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:07:13', 'start_time': '1:07:06', 'text': 'And in the meanwhile, we might have actually let the Chinese into a nation that otherwise the Indians were maximally influential in.'},\n {'end_time': '1:07:20', 'start_time': '1:07:15', 'text': 'So to me, it just feels very, very unlikely that in this case, you know, the CIA has been responsible.'},\n {'end_time': '1:07:27', 'start_time': '1:07:20', 'text': 'And and and and and and, you know, just to just to make sure that, you understand, this is no this is no general comment.'},\n {'end_time': '1:07:35', 'start_time': '1:07:27', 'text': \"So for example, I'm entirely convinced that the Americans were responsible for the 2014 ouster of the democratically elected president in Ukraine.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:07:50', 'start_time': '1:07:37', 'text': 'Pretty clear evidence that, you know, western, money and influence supported that that popular revolution, the color revolutions that they say.'},\n {'end_time': '1:07:54', 'start_time': '1:07:50', 'text': \"I just don't see, but you can clearly see what the Americans are going after there.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:07:54', 'start_time': '1:07:54', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '1:07:56', 'start_time': '1:07:54', 'text': \"Because it's it's Russia.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:07:57', 'start_time': '1:07:56', 'text': \"It's NATO.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:07:58', 'start_time': '1:07:57', 'text': \"It's the EU.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:07:59', 'start_time': '1:07:58', 'text': 'We know the history of that conflict.'},\n {'end_time': '1:08:01', 'start_time': '1:07:59', 'text': 'The Americans are clearly involved.'},\n {'end_time': '1:08:04', 'start_time': '1:08:01', 'text': \"It's been a major issue in US domestic politics.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:08:16', 'start_time': '1:08:04', 'text': \"So you really need to be able to do a comprehensive analysis of a nation's intent, their domestic politics, how foreign policy is made, what's the rest of their geopolitical context before arriving at this conclusion that, oh, the Americans have done this.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:08:16', 'start_time': '1:08:16', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '1:08:18', 'start_time': '1:08:16', 'text': \"So there's a general temptation.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:08:20', 'start_time': '1:08:18', 'text': \"I'll just end this section by saying this.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:08:31', 'start_time': '1:08:20', 'text': \"There's a general temptation, I think, Ramiel, with, you know, observations of geopolitics where either you'll find people who say, if I've not read it on BBC, if I've not read it on CNN, it's not true.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:08:32', 'start_time': '1:08:31', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '1:08:33', 'start_time': '1:08:32', 'text': 'Full stop.'},\n {'end_time': '1:08:36', 'start_time': '1:08:33', 'text': \"And then you've got people that are just waiting for the next conspiracy theory and saying, yes.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:08:38', 'start_time': '1:08:36', 'text': 'That that that feels correct.'},\n {'end_time': '1:08:50', 'start_time': '1:08:39', 'text': \"And it almost feels like, something in human instinct that you've got the people that naturally gravitate towards conspiracies and people that naturally gravitate towards the opposite, saying that conspiracies are typically impossible or unlikely.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:08:54', 'start_time': '1:08:50', 'text': 'What I tend to do is kind of try to create a balance between the 2.'},\n {'end_time': '1:08:54', 'start_time': '1:08:54', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '1:08:59', 'start_time': '1:08:54', 'text': \"So as I say, make sure that you're speaking from evidence, but at the same time, make sure that you accept that, look.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:09:03', 'start_time': '1:08:59', 'text': 'There are there are things that one can speculate about, but acknowledge that those are speculations.'},\n {'end_time': '1:09:10', 'start_time': '1:09:03', 'text': \"But there's, you know, things that seem more or less likely, and you have to be, capable of balancing both of those.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:09:11', 'start_time': '1:09:10', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '1:09:21', 'start_time': '1:09:12', 'text': \"While we began in the conspiracy theory domain related to America, we've ended up in the conspiracy theory domain related to China, which perhaps is not a conspiracy.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:09:22', 'start_time': '1:09:22', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '1:09:23', 'start_time': '1:09:22', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '1:09:29', 'start_time': '1:09:23', 'text': \"It's seeming evident that there is Chinese interest in, instability within Bangladeshi borders.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:09:35', 'start_time': '1:09:29', 'text': \"I don't need to be a Chinese policymaker to be able to say China would like to be able to dominate India's neighbors.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:09:47', 'start_time': '1:09:36', 'text': \"And I don't need any more evidence in the fact that China has decided to build the China Pakistan economic corridor in Pakistan and decided to take 100 year leases of ports like Hambantota from Sri Lanka.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:09:55', 'start_time': '1:09:48', 'text': \"The only neighbor that they haven't been able to penetrate, given what they've done with the Maoist takeover of Nepali politics as well, has been Bangladesh.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:09:58', 'start_time': '1:09:56', 'text': \"So it's not so much that they're going after instability.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:10:09', 'start_time': '1:09:59', 'text': \"It's that they'd like to be able to wield much more influence in that society through that government, and Sheikh Hasina was a bull walk against Chinese influence in Bangladesh.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:10:09', 'start_time': '1:10:09', 'text': 'Why?'},\n {'end_time': '1:10:11', 'start_time': '1:10:11', 'text': 'Why?'},\n {'end_time': '1:10:13', 'start_time': '1:10:11', 'text': 'I mean, you know, partly historical reasons.'},\n {'end_time': '1:10:17', 'start_time': '1:10:13', 'text': 'I think that, you know, Sheikh Hasina and her family obviously feel a lot of identity with India.'},\n {'end_time': '1:10:26', 'start_time': '1:10:17', 'text': 'I mean, Indira Gandhi was a strong, staunch supporter of her father, and of a secular democratic Bangladesh in general.'},\n {'end_time': '1:10:30', 'start_time': '1:10:26', 'text': 'Sheikh Zina is probably ideologically committed to the Indian model of development.'},\n {'end_time': '1:10:39', 'start_time': '1:10:30', 'text': \"You know, this inclusive, slightly socialist, you know, multi faith, slow, steady economic growth that we've had.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:10:54', 'start_time': '1:10:39', 'text': \"You know, my guess again would be that Sheikh Hasina's, aspiration for Bangladesh would have been to be a little mini India with very similar culture, very similar business practices, a similarly Westminster style parliamentary form of democracy, etcetera.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:11:03', 'start_time': '1:10:54', 'text': 'And so so so, you know, I think it was largely ideological commitment to India, that would have prevented Sheikh Hasina from getting closer and closer to the Chinese.'},\n {'end_time': '1:11:28', 'start_time': '1:11:03', 'text': \"I mean, there's also, by the way, a lot of evidence that alliances with China, tend to be quite one-sided, and, the recipient nations of Chinese capital, Chinese loans, Chinese investments, end up effectively in economic distress because of the types of projects that are being undertaken, the terms behind the financing.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:11:33', 'start_time': '1:11:29', 'text': 'The Chinese seem to have a model where they end up coming and owning the major assets in your country.'},\n {'end_time': '1:11:40', 'start_time': '1:11:34', 'text': 'And thereby wield undue influence or excessive influence over policy, and end up creating effectively protectors.'},\n {'end_time': '1:11:40', 'start_time': '1:11:40', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '1:11:50', 'start_time': '1:11:40', 'text': 'So so I think that there are there are there are you know, people are waking up to the Chinese model, and, there are some countries that are now looking to push back saying that, actually, you know what?'},\n {'end_time': '1:11:55', 'start_time': '1:11:51', 'text': 'If we have an option, we may want to look for other options than Chinese capital.'},\n {'end_time': '1:11:56', 'start_time': '1:11:55', 'text': 'K.'},\n {'end_time': '1:11:59', 'start_time': '1:11:56', 'text': 'One last question slash segment for this episode.'},\n {'end_time': '1:12:07', 'start_time': '1:12:00', 'text': \"I have to ask you a question that I asked many other guests, but I'm also asking the student of history within your mind this question.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:12:15', 'start_time': '1:12:09', 'text': 'Prior to 1935, did events like this take place on a global scale?'},\n {'end_time': '1:12:18', 'start_time': '1:12:16', 'text': 'And is history repeating itself?'},\n {'end_time': '1:12:21', 'start_time': '1:12:18', 'text': 'And are we moving towards a worldwide conflict?'},\n {'end_time': '1:12:26', 'start_time': '1:12:21', 'text': \"That's the question because there's too much that's happened post 2020.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:12:29', 'start_time': '1:12:27', 'text': \"It's not a normal 4 years.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:12:33', 'start_time': '1:12:29', 'text': 'Especially if you observe geopolitics, you know that too much has happened in the last 4 years.'},\n {'end_time': '1:12:39', 'start_time': '1:12:35', 'text': \"Lots of spiritualists who've been on the show believe that the world is heading towards war.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:12:42', 'start_time': '1:12:39', 'text': 'I have the same question for you as a student of history as well as geopolitics.'},\n {'end_time': '1:12:45', 'start_time': '1:12:43', 'text': 'Is there any reality behind this thought?'},\n {'end_time': '1:12:56', 'start_time': '1:12:45', 'text': \"I mean, that's, if you don't mind, I'll I'll I'll I'll try and give you a little bit of a broad, response that should cover the historical as well as the current affairs parts of your question.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:13:05', 'start_time': '1:12:57', 'text': \"So, if you don't mind, I'll take a step back and discuss a little bit of theory within the study of international relations as well.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:13:22', 'start_time': '1:13:08', 'text': 'So taking a historical perspective first, Ranveer, what you see really is the development of the sovereign state as a political concept is relatively recent.'},\n {'end_time': '1:13:31', 'start_time': '1:13:23', 'text': 'If you go back far enough in history, kingdoms, empires used to make war against each other just because they felt like it.'},\n {'end_time': '1:13:41', 'start_time': '1:13:31', 'text': \"So the standard of conduct between states, from a moral perspective didn't include some sort of prohibition from invading each other.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:13:50', 'start_time': '1:13:41', 'text': 'In fact, it was almost a a survivor of the fittest, a state of nature that existed as far as international society was concerned.'},\n {'end_time': '1:13:58', 'start_time': '1:13:51', 'text': \"Domestically, you'd have laws and you'd have kings, you'd have, you know, policing and governance and social rules, etcetera, howsoever constructively.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:14:03', 'start_time': '1:13:58', 'text': 'There are some rules that people are following, even in in in in history.'},\n {'end_time': '1:14:08', 'start_time': '1:14:03', 'text': 'But internationally, it was really not a rules based society.'},\n {'end_time': '1:14:10', 'start_time': '1:14:09', 'text': 'It was might is right.'},\n {'end_time': '1:14:17', 'start_time': '1:14:10', 'text': \"You know, if I have the ability as a major kingdom to go and conquer a neighboring smaller kingdom, then I'm gonna do it.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:14:22', 'start_time': '1:14:17', 'text': \"And I don't need to give myself or anybody else any justification to do that.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:14:24', 'start_time': '1:14:23', 'text': 'Where does all of that start to change?'},\n {'end_time': '1:14:35', 'start_time': '1:14:25', 'text': 'It starts to change in 1648 with, this event that marked the end of a conflict in Europe called the 30 years war.'},\n {'end_time': '1:14:50', 'start_time': '1:14:35', 'text': 'The 30 years war was this continent wide conflict fought along both religious and political lines, between 2 subsects of Christianity, because the Lutheran movement and the Calvinist movement were effectively trying to rebel against the power of the Catholic church.'},\n {'end_time': '1:14:55', 'start_time': '1:14:50', 'text': 'And so what ended up happening is that all the kings and dukes and princes of Europe ended up choosing 1 of the 2 sides.'},\n {'end_time': '1:15:06', 'start_time': '1:14:55', 'text': 'Either they remain loyal to the Catholic church led by the pope in Rome, or they, in fact, for their own local political reasons, decided that throwing in their lot with these reformist Christians makes more sense.'},\n {'end_time': '1:15:14', 'start_time': '1:15:06', 'text': 'And that led to you know, as you can imagine, whenever you combine religion with politics, the levels of violence seen end up, you know, being being quite extreme.'},\n {'end_time': '1:15:30', 'start_time': '1:15:15', 'text': 'And so you see this utter destruction of Europe occur over the next 30 years, and that war ends with the diet of Westphalia, I should just use, with the conference of Westphalia that happens in this town in Germany called Westphalia where all of the powers of Europe come together.'},\n {'end_time': '1:15:35', 'start_time': '1:15:30', 'text': 'And for the first time, when we renounce the principle of national sovereignty and say, listen.'},\n {'end_time': '1:15:37', 'start_time': '1:15:36', 'text': \"There's a map.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:15:39', 'start_time': '1:15:37', 'text': \"We're all agreeing who owns what.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:15:45', 'start_time': '1:15:39', 'text': \"And for the first time, we're saying that it is no longer legal for us to go after each other's land.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:15:48', 'start_time': '1:15:46', 'text': \"Now, obviously, that didn't mean that war ended.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:15:50', 'start_time': '1:15:48', 'text': 'War has continued even since 1648.'},\n {'end_time': '1:15:51', 'start_time': '1:15:51', 'text': 'It happened before.'},\n {'end_time': '1:15:52', 'start_time': '1:15:51', 'text': 'It happened after.'},\n {'end_time': '1:16:04', 'start_time': '1:15:53', 'text': 'But there was a very important change that occurred in the way we thought about the international society that for the first time, people acknowledge that we need some rules to exist even in terms of how countries behave with each other or states or nations behave with each other.'},\n {'end_time': '1:16:10', 'start_time': '1:16:04', 'text': 'Fast forward a few 100 years, you have World War 1, you have World War 2.'},\n {'end_time': '1:16:17', 'start_time': '1:16:13', 'text': 'At the end of World War 1, the world is so devastated just like after the 30 years war.'},\n {'end_time': '1:16:19', 'start_time': '1:16:17', 'text': 'So you establish the League of Nations.'},\n {'end_time': '1:16:21', 'start_time': '1:16:19', 'text': 'That ends up being a failed project.'},\n {'end_time': '1:16:25', 'start_time': '1:16:21', 'text': 'World War 2 breaks out, and you finally have the establishment of the United Nations.'},\n {'end_time': '1:16:39', 'start_time': '1:16:26', 'text': 'Now the whole point of establishing the United Nations and creating public international law and creating some of these principles of how, you know, nations are supposed to behave with each other was to try to impose some rules on the international system.'},\n {'end_time': '1:16:48', 'start_time': '1:16:39', 'text': \"A rules based order, is what we were seeking to create after the 2nd World War because people were just like, boss, we can't let this happen again.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:17:13', 'start_time': '1:16:50', 'text': 'You know, because our generation was born at the end of the cold war in here, we actually got to enjoy this unique American unipolar moment where not only did the United Nations exist and not only did this global rules based order exist, but also you had one clear foundation for that international order, which is the United States.'},\n {'end_time': '1:17:28', 'start_time': '1:17:13', 'text': 'And so I think we ended up living in an era, and I go back to when I was a student at the LSE, where there was a real belief that the international system is becoming more and more rules based and less and less might based every year.'},\n {'end_time': '1:17:45', 'start_time': '1:17:28', 'text': \"Then we're moving closer and closer to, you know, to the if you and I get into a, you know, dispute or disagreement domestically as Indian citizens, I don't, you know, assemble an army and, you know, come to you and try to invade your apartment or whatever in order to resolve the dispute.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:17:51', 'start_time': '1:17:45', 'text': \"Instead, you know, we'll go to court, so we'll have arbitration, or we'll have some rules based dispute resolution mechanism.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:18:05', 'start_time': '1:17:51', 'text': \"That really is what was absent in the international system, and that's what the creation of this, you know, international law and diplomacy post World War 2 was meant to resolve for so that countries feel that they have peaceful ways to resolve disputes.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:18:18', 'start_time': '1:18:09', 'text': 'The challenge, of course, was always the fact that unlike in domestic society, you have no common source of legislation and you have no common form of enforcement.'},\n {'end_time': '1:18:21', 'start_time': '1:18:19', 'text': 'We clearly are subject to Indian law.'},\n {'end_time': '1:18:23', 'start_time': '1:18:21', 'text': \"If you're in America, you're subject to US law.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:18:26', 'start_time': '1:18:24', 'text': \"And there's a police force and there are courts.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:18:30', 'start_time': '1:18:27', 'text': \"So it's very clear what the sources of your rules are.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:18:33', 'start_time': '1:18:30', 'text': \"In the international system, there's no world court.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:18:35', 'start_time': '1:18:33', 'text': \"There's an international court of justice.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:18:44', 'start_time': '1:18:35', 'text': \"There's an international criminal court, but it's not universally accepted by everyone as a court of last recourse, nor is there a global police force.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:18:53', 'start_time': '1:18:44', 'text': \"So even if 2 nations get into a dispute with each other and really, really disagree and end up at the ICC or the ICJ and there's even some sort of judgment issued, how are you going to enforce?\"},\n {'end_time': '1:18:56', 'start_time': '1:18:53', 'text': 'And, you know, you have a lot of examples that I can, you know, give you.'},\n {'end_time': '1:19:01', 'start_time': '1:18:56', 'text': 'For example, Argentina, defaults on 1,000,000,000 of dollars of debt.'},\n {'end_time': '1:19:04', 'start_time': '1:19:01', 'text': 'You know, this happened in the eighties nineties and stuff like that.'},\n {'end_time': '1:19:05', 'start_time': '1:19:04', 'text': 'What are you gonna do to enforce?'},\n {'end_time': '1:19:14', 'start_time': '1:19:05', 'text': \"You've got investors on Wall Street that are, like, trying to, like, look after, you know, you know, you know, you know, go after, some sort of enforcement action through international courts, and the Argentinians are just like, no.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:19:20', 'start_time': '1:19:15', 'text': \"And so suddenly, you see the limits of international law as well because we don't have a world government.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:19:22', 'start_time': '1:19:20', 'text': \"You can't govern the earth.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:19:27', 'start_time': '1:19:22', 'text': \"I mean, well, in theory, one can create a one world government and all that, but that's just not the reality of the system that we live in.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:19:29', 'start_time': '1:19:27', 'text': 'So those are the limits of international law.'},\n {'end_time': '1:19:57', 'start_time': '1:19:29', 'text': \"Now the reason I've given you this broad background is I remember as a student at the LSE also believing that every year, we might create more and more of an international society where not only do certain formal rule formal rules exist, but also that we feel obligated to not go to war just for the sake of it or not use violence just for the sake of it in the international arena.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:20:01', 'start_time': '1:19:57', 'text': 'Because we feel a sense of obligation that, look, there is an international society that exists.'},\n {'end_time': '1:20:04', 'start_time': '1:20:02', 'text': \"We're all a part of this, you know, one planet.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:20:09', 'start_time': '1:20:04', 'text': 'And so maybe diplomacy is the answer or maybe conversation is the answer.'},\n {'end_time': '1:20:21', 'start_time': '1:20:09', 'text': 'Unfortunately, Ranveer, I started observing, you know, in the early 2000 that the reality is that we may be retreating rather than moving closer and closer towards an international society.'},\n {'end_time': '1:20:28', 'start_time': '1:20:22', 'text': 'There has been over the last 20 years of retreat of global norms rather than a development of global norms.'},\n {'end_time': '1:20:41', 'start_time': '1:20:28', 'text': \"You're seeing more and more countries feeling freedom to undertake military operations, freedom to utilize violence, freedom to interfere in each other's domestic politics.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:20:43', 'start_time': '1:20:42', 'text': 'Countries feeling like, hey.'},\n {'end_time': '1:20:50', 'start_time': '1:20:43', 'text': 'Actually, like, I can, you know, elbow my neighbor, and no one seems to show up to do anything about it.'},\n {'end_time': '1:21:08', 'start_time': '1:20:51', 'text': \"And so, you know, it's been a very, very complex process, including technological change, global economic change, the rise of new powers like China and India, you know, in many ways, the weakening of American empire globally.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:21:18', 'start_time': '1:21:08', 'text': \"But what you're seeing now is the world being categorically at its most unstable, I would argue, since the end of World War 2.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:21:33', 'start_time': '1:21:18', 'text': \"And the reason I say that is that despite the fact that the Cold War was responsible for a lot of hard conflict all over the world, there was still a fundamental logical structure to it where you had these 2 superpowers, and they knew at the end of the day that we don't really want to create a total conflict.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:21:36', 'start_time': '1:21:33', 'text': 'And so conflicts ended up remaining quite controlled, quite limited.'},\n {'end_time': '1:21:37', 'start_time': '1:21:36', 'text': \"Now there's a conflict in Vietnam?\"},\n {'end_time': '1:21:37', 'start_time': '1:21:37', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '1:21:38', 'start_time': '1:21:37', 'text': \"It's in Vietnam.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:21:39', 'start_time': '1:21:38', 'text': \"There's a conflict in Afghanistan?\"},\n {'end_time': '1:21:40', 'start_time': '1:21:39', 'text': \"It's in Afghanistan.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:21:46', 'start_time': '1:21:40', 'text': 'Russia or the Soviet Union in the United States were never going to allow for a global conflagration to occur.'},\n {'end_time': '1:21:53', 'start_time': '1:21:47', 'text': 'And between the 2 of them, they had the ability to wield influence sufficiently all over the world that they were in a position to police the world.'},\n {'end_time': '1:22:01', 'start_time': '1:21:54', 'text': 'For the last 20 or 30 years, in theory, America has been single handedly in a position to police the world.'},\n {'end_time': '1:22:05', 'start_time': '1:22:01', 'text': 'But the reality is that the limits of American power are being tested.'},\n {'end_time': '1:22:12', 'start_time': '1:22:07', 'text': 'Micro conflicts are becoming major conflicts all over the world, and we can go through a list of them.'},\n {'end_time': '1:22:21', 'start_time': '1:22:12', 'text': 'And powers are increasingly showing willingness to undertake conventional warfare despite this international rules based system.'},\n {'end_time': '1:22:40', 'start_time': '1:22:22', 'text': \"So all of that to say that if you ask me, I would agree from a theoretical and an observational perspective that, the return of major state on state conflict, which we had all sort of almost, like, taken out of our minds, keep you know, we don't go to war anymore.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:22:42', 'start_time': '1:22:41', 'text': \"That's definitely happening.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:22:59', 'start_time': '1:22:43', 'text': 'The chances that we see minor conflicts snowballing into major conflicts, the chances that we see a sort of domino effect of a small incident somewhere in this globally interconnected world leading to a series of unforeseen consequences, very, very possible.'},\n {'end_time': '1:23:13', 'start_time': '1:23:00', 'text': 'And so in many ways, you know, my perspective is that, this is an increasingly dangerous world with, geopolitical instability rather than stability, unpredictability rather than predictability.'},\n {'end_time': '1:23:25', 'start_time': '1:23:14', 'text': \"And, it's a global context in which all countries, but especially in India as a growing developing economy, we have to focus on self reliance.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:23:29', 'start_time': '1:23:26', 'text': 'We have to focus on internal economic strength.'},\n {'end_time': '1:23:40', 'start_time': '1:23:29', 'text': 'We have to focus on the ability to, create strategic space for ourselves and not end up being vulnerable to incidents and events that are external to us.'},\n {'end_time': '1:23:47', 'start_time': '1:23:41', 'text': \"Remi, I think we're also going to have to make a choice as Indians, on whether or not we're open to alliances.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:24:00', 'start_time': '1:23:48', 'text': 'Because one of the things that, India has maintained for a long time is partnerships, pragmatic issue based partnerships with potentially anyone and everyone.'},\n {'end_time': '1:24:10', 'start_time': '1:24:00', 'text': \"But we've really tried to steer clear of formal alliances because we believe that it ends up reducing our freedom of maneuver on the world stage.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:24:22', 'start_time': '1:24:11', 'text': \"I think that wouldn't be a difficult position for us to maintain going forward, and a day will come when we're gonna have to choose effectively between, you know, if not 2, then maybe 3 sides.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:24:26', 'start_time': '1:24:22', 'text': 'But I can see a world that starts to break up into 2 competing systems.'},\n {'end_time': '1:24:30', 'start_time': '1:24:28', 'text': 'And we really are a swing state in that sense.'},\n {'end_time': '1:24:30', 'start_time': '1:24:30', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '1:24:38', 'start_time': '1:24:30', 'text': \"A major state that's not clearly aligned to the west and not clearly aligned to the Russia, China access that exists as opposition to the west.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:24:40', 'start_time': '1:24:38', 'text': \"So What's the 3rd poll?\"},\n {'end_time': '1:24:41', 'start_time': '1:24:41', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '1:24:51', 'start_time': '1:24:41', 'text': \"I mean, you know, there's so the reason I said potentially 3 is because, Russia and China are not actually, as close as recent events would have you, believe.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:25:01', 'start_time': '1:24:53', 'text': 'The reason the Indo Russian relationship has been as strong as it has is because, actually, both nations have a little bit of a mistrust of China.'},\n {'end_time': '1:25:16', 'start_time': '1:25:02', 'text': 'And so in many ways, the closeness of the Russian relationship with China today is driven by the fact that the west has sort of pushed Russia into a corner rather than Russian willingness or desire to, you know, work very closely with China.'},\n {'end_time': '1:25:24', 'start_time': '1:25:18', 'text': \"You know, in case you're interested, I'll just give you a small piece of evidence to back that up as well.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:25:38', 'start_time': '1:25:24', 'text': 'You know, in the 2000, Russia built major economic infrastructure, oil and gas infrastructure, to serve European markets, not Chinese markets.'},\n {'end_time': '1:25:45', 'start_time': '1:25:39', 'text': 'They ended up investing 1,000,000,000 in their own assets in western markets, not in Chinese markets.'},\n {'end_time': '1:25:49', 'start_time': '1:25:46', 'text': 'Russian assets would be held in western banks, not in Chinese banks.'},\n {'end_time': '1:26:02', 'start_time': '1:25:50', 'text': \"And the specific infrastructure I'm referring to obviously is Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2, the huge gas pipelines with an investment of over 15,000,000,000, jointly executed by European nations and Russia.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:26:11', 'start_time': '1:26:03', 'text': \"Now all of those are really expensive, really important signals that Russia was trying to send to the west saying, we'd like to integrate.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:26:12', 'start_time': '1:26:11', 'text': \"We'd like to be closer.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:26:16', 'start_time': '1:26:12', 'text': 'We actually like to, you know, join the economic project that the west is in.'},\n {'end_time': '1:26:25', 'start_time': '1:26:16', 'text': \"And, you know, the only kind of subtext or conditionalities that the Russians had were, you know, let's don't try to interfere with internal Russian policies.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:26:28', 'start_time': '1:26:25', 'text': \"Don't try to, you know, wield influence inside Russia.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:26:29', 'start_time': '1:26:28', 'text': \"Let's do business.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:26:43', 'start_time': '1:26:29', 'text': 'And, you know, it is it is it is truly my opinion, Ranvir, that if not for the events in Ukraine, and we can cover those in detail if you like, this Russia China partnership is not as natural as you think.'},\n {'end_time': '1:26:48', 'start_time': '1:26:44', 'text': \"I think that's a good end for this particular episode because there's a lot to unpack with you.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:26:54', 'start_time': '1:26:48', 'text': \"I know you're off camera as well, and we've gone into all kinds of domains when it comes to conversation.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:27:06', 'start_time': '1:26:54', 'text': 'For me, this was just your debut on TRS, and we had, a very relevant topic to speak about today, which is why I thank you for being on your first episode of the runway show, Sarjanja.'},\n {'end_time': '1:27:12', 'start_time': '1:27:06', 'text': \"I'm glad I got to take your mind out to the audiences, and we hope to have you come back on the show very soon.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:27:13', 'start_time': '1:27:12', 'text': 'Thank you very much, Arunvi.'},\n {'end_time': '1:27:14', 'start_time': '1:27:13', 'text': 'It was a real pleasure.'},\n {'end_time': '1:27:14', 'start_time': '1:27:14', 'text': 'Thanks.'},\n {'end_time': '1:27:23', 'start_time': '1:27:15', 'text': \"The next time we'll be unbacking much more of geopolitics and much more of history, Keep in touch with the comment section on this episode because there's a lot of questions that people have for you.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:27:23', 'start_time': '1:27:23', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '1:27:24', 'start_time': '1:27:23', 'text': 'Awesome.'},\n {'end_time': '1:27:24', 'start_time': '1:27:24', 'text': 'Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '1:27:26', 'start_time': '1:27:24', 'text': 'Thank you, Ranveer.'},\n {'end_time': '1:27:26', 'start_time': '1:27:26', 'text': 'Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '1:27:29', 'start_time': '1:27:27', 'text': 'That was the episode for today, ladies and gentlemen.'},\n {'end_time': '1:27:36', 'start_time': '1:27:30', 'text': 'Unfortunately, I think we live in a time where we need a geopolitical update every 2 to 3 months.'},\n {'end_time': '1:27:38', 'start_time': '1:27:36', 'text': \"That's the unfortunate state of the world currently.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:27:46', 'start_time': '1:27:39', 'text': \"We're fortunate enough to have people like Sarjan Shah, Abhijit Chawda, Palki Sharma, who've all been on TRS.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:27:54', 'start_time': '1:27:47', 'text': \"I put Sarjan Shah in that same category because I know what it's like simply hanging out with Sarjan Shah.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:28:01', 'start_time': '1:27:54', 'text': \"I know what it's like simply learning from him, understanding his understanding of multiple subjects.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:28:04', 'start_time': '1:28:01', 'text': \"We're going to be creating a lot more with this gentleman.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:28:08', 'start_time': '1:28:04', 'text': 'Please send in your topic recommendations, your episode recommendations.'},\n {'end_time': '1:28:12', 'start_time': '1:28:09', 'text': 'Lots of history oriented episodes to 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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:06", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "Story of Nikhil Kamath begins at age 14 when he dropped out of school and didn't really know what he's gonna do next with his life." }, { "end_time": "0:16", "start_time": "0:06", "text": "At age 33, he became one of the country's youngest billionaires and is the cofounder of one of the country's most respected bootstrapped startups, Zerodha." }, { "end_time": "0:21", "start_time": "0:16", "text": "We've already had Nitin Kamath, Nikhil's elder brother on the show speak about the story of Zerodha." }, { "end_time": "0:23", "start_time": "0:21", "text": "This is Nikhil Kamath's story." }, { "end_time": "0:31", "start_time": "0:23", "text": "His version of Zerodha, Zerodha's plans for the future, and we've also asked him questions about the stock market and personal finance in general." }, { "end_time": "0:39", "start_time": "0:31", "text": "And let me just tell you because Nikhil is a friend of mine, he's also one of the most relaxed but intellectual people you'll ever meet in your life." }, { "end_time": "0:46", "start_time": "0:39", "text": "Lots of intellectual stimulation and lots of financial knowledge and lots of start up motivation coming your way with Nikhil Kamath on The Randeel Show." }, { "end_time": "1:05", "start_time": "1:02", "text": "Honored to have another zerodha co founder on this show." }, { "end_time": "1:06", "start_time": "1:05", "text": "Nikhil Kamath." }, { "end_time": "1:07", "start_time": "1:06", "text": "Welcome to the Renveesho." }, { "end_time": "1:08", "start_time": "1:07", "text": "Thanks Renveesh." }, { "end_time": "1:09", "start_time": "1:08", "text": "Thank you for having me." }, { "end_time": "1:16", "start_time": "1:10", "text": "Now this particular podcast the subject title is dropped out of school at 15." }, { "end_time": "1:18", "start_time": "1:17", "text": "At 14 or 15." }, { "end_time": "1:19", "start_time": "1:18", "text": "Around that age." }, { "end_time": "1:19", "start_time": "1:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:24", "start_time": "1:20", "text": "And then you ended up cofounding zerodha with your brother." }, { "end_time": "1:27", "start_time": "1:24", "text": "I think the audience also knows the zerodha story from that podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:36", "start_time": "1:28", "text": "Maybe one highlight from that podcast would be how your brother claims that you're one of the most naturally gifted, stockbrokers he's ever seen." }, { "end_time": "1:39", "start_time": "1:36", "text": "One of the most naturally gifted traders he's ever seen." }, { "end_time": "1:43", "start_time": "1:40", "text": "So firstly before we actually get into the story do you agree with that statement?" }, { "end_time": "1:47", "start_time": "1:44", "text": "Well I think as brothers we have to say nice stuff about each other." }, { "end_time": "1:49", "start_time": "1:48", "text": "At least publicly." }, { "end_time": "1:54", "start_time": "1:49", "text": "So maybe a part of it is true and some part of it is exaggeration I'm guessing." }, { "end_time": "1:55", "start_time": "1:54", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:55", "start_time": "1:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:02", "start_time": "1:56", "text": "You know again I usually try being polite with my guests and I bring this in later." }, { "end_time": "2:02", "start_time": "2:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:06", "start_time": "2:03", "text": "But I I feel like I have a bit of an equation with you." }, { "end_time": "2:12", "start_time": "2:06", "text": "So are you are you conscious of that whole billionaire tag which is associated with the Gamat brothers?" }, { "end_time": "2:20", "start_time": "2:15", "text": "A little bit but, it's a new thing so we don't know how to deal with it yet." }, { "end_time": "2:21", "start_time": "2:20", "text": "We are conscious." }, { "end_time": "2:27", "start_time": "2:23", "text": "But I think time will tell how we're able to utilize it." }, { "end_time": "2:36", "start_time": "2:27", "text": "If you look upon it as opportunity to do more and new things by virtue of having capital, I think is a good way to look at it." }, { "end_time": "2:40", "start_time": "2:36", "text": "Also, valuations do not mean you have that money." }, { "end_time": "2:40", "start_time": "2:40", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "2:42", "start_time": "2:40", "text": "Like anybody can be valued at anything." }, { "end_time": "2:43", "start_time": "2:42", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "2:45", "start_time": "2:43", "text": "It's a company's valuation." }, { "end_time": "2:49", "start_time": "2:45", "text": "It does not mean you have a $1,000,000,000 in the bank." }, { "end_time": "2:51", "start_time": "2:49", "text": "So it doesn't really change that much." }, { "end_time": "2:55", "start_time": "2:51", "text": "Let me just put this in context for the young listeners who may not understand valuations and equity." }, { "end_time": "3:01", "start_time": "2:56", "text": "Basically, say, person a creates a company and owns 50% of that company." }, { "end_time": "3:10", "start_time": "3:01", "text": "Eventually, the world of investments and the the financial world would say, okay, this particular company is worth 100 crore rupees." }, { "end_time": "3:12", "start_time": "3:10", "text": "So that person becomes worth 50 crores automatic." }, { "end_time": "3:13", "start_time": "3:12", "text": "That's right." }, { "end_time": "3:18", "start_time": "3:13", "text": "And what you have in your savings account or your current account or your own personal portfolio is different from that." }, { "end_time": "3:19", "start_time": "3:18", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:19", "start_time": "3:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:21", "start_time": "3:19", "text": "So how do the 2 worlds meet?" }, { "end_time": "3:25", "start_time": "3:21", "text": "Like So I'll tell you in the startup world." }, { "end_time": "3:25", "start_time": "3:25", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "3:34", "start_time": "3:26", "text": "Typically when you start a company, you raise funding to go ahead and you know spend on acquiring client or growing your company." }, { "end_time": "3:38", "start_time": "3:35", "text": "Founders, don't have secondary rounds." }, { "end_time": "3:43", "start_time": "3:38", "text": "By secondary, I mean, is when they personally take out money from the company for a long time, typically." }, { "end_time": "3:52", "start_time": "3:44", "text": "When you do many series of funding, there will be opportunities for a founder to get some liquidity, Sell a part of his equity and take out money." }, { "end_time": "3:55", "start_time": "3:53", "text": "Then that equation comes into play." }, { "end_time": "4:03", "start_time": "3:55", "text": "But for the most part a company's value is a company's value and not very often is it that person's valuation." }, { "end_time": "4:03", "start_time": "4:03", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "4:04", "start_time": "4:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:06", "start_time": "4:04", "text": "But do you think of it on a personal level?" }, { "end_time": "4:11", "start_time": "4:06", "text": "Because I know you're again getting into the dirty details pretty early." }, { "end_time": "4:13", "start_time": "4:11", "text": "But you are a spiritual, like, guy." }, { "end_time": "4:15", "start_time": "4:13", "text": "You have a spiritual inclination I feel." }, { "end_time": "4:20", "start_time": "4:16", "text": "Do you get conscious of it on a way level that wider life and and you're also really young man." }, { "end_time": "4:21", "start_time": "4:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:26", "start_time": "4:21", "text": "Like people don't associate the term billionaire with someone who's, you know, just in the thirties." }, { "end_time": "4:27", "start_time": "4:26", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "4:28", "start_time": "4:27", "text": "Early thirties at that." }, { "end_time": "4:28", "start_time": "4:28", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "4:32", "start_time": "4:28", "text": "So do you kind of become existential on a personal level with that?" }, { "end_time": "4:33", "start_time": "4:33", "text": "Not yet." }, { "end_time": "4:40", "start_time": "4:34", "text": "I think luckily for both me and Nathan we're surrounded by people who kinda like mock us at every turn." }, { "end_time": "4:43", "start_time": "4:40", "text": "Like colleagues and family and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "4:47", "start_time": "4:43", "text": "So they keep all of this at check." }, { "end_time": "4:49", "start_time": "4:47", "text": "Kailash who we were talking about earlier." }, { "end_time": "4:52", "start_time": "4:49", "text": "He gives us a hard time each time you know that word is mentioned anyway." }, { "end_time": "4:59", "start_time": "4:53", "text": "So by virtue of having these people in our life I think we do okay." }, { "end_time": "4:59", "start_time": "4:59", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "5:01", "start_time": "4:59", "text": "Now coming to your story." }, { "end_time": "5:01", "start_time": "5:01", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:05", "start_time": "5:02", "text": "You you dropped out of school to become a chess player." }, { "end_time": "5:05", "start_time": "5:05", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "5:06", "start_time": "5:05", "text": "Is that true?" }, { "end_time": "5:07", "start_time": "5:06", "text": "Like that was the intention?" }, { "end_time": "5:09", "start_time": "5:08", "text": "Partly true." }, { "end_time": "5:13", "start_time": "5:09", "text": "I think, I was reasonably good at chess growing up." }, { "end_time": "5:16", "start_time": "5:13", "text": "Started playing very early." }, { "end_time": "5:19", "start_time": "5:16", "text": "I think I must have been 5 or 6 when I started." }, { "end_time": "5:29", "start_time": "5:20", "text": "You know you play that, you played the school level and you played the district, the city, the state, and play nationally and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "5:30", "start_time": "5:29", "text": "All of that happened." }, { "end_time": "5:49", "start_time": "5:31", "text": "Dropping out of school was a combination of many things not chess alone the fact that AI was not very good at school I don't think I was the best student or got the best marks There were also other things at play like I started doing some business on this side." }, { "end_time": "5:51", "start_time": "5:49", "text": "I used to sell mobile phones like old ones." }, { "end_time": "5:53", "start_time": "5:51", "text": "Which year is this?" }, { "end_time": "5:55", "start_time": "5:54", "text": "9th grade." }, { "end_time": "5:58", "start_time": "5:55", "text": "So this would be 2002." }, { "end_time": "5:58", "start_time": "5:58", "text": "2003." }, { "end_time": "5:58", "start_time": "5:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:00", "start_time": "5:58", "text": "Something like that." }, { "end_time": "6:02", "start_time": "6:00", "text": "Little bit earlier than that also I think." }, { "end_time": "6:02", "start_time": "6:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:03", "start_time": "6:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:13", "start_time": "6:03", "text": "And then, I got a job in a call center at 17 and I think the drive to make money was there from the very beginning." }, { "end_time": "6:21", "start_time": "6:13", "text": "And, I would say looking back at it, I have more regrets about having dropped out when I did." }, { "end_time": "6:34", "start_time": "6:22", "text": "Because you meet people, you know, you made friends in college and each time I meet people, they talk about how the best friendships and the best times in their life happened when they were in college." }, { "end_time": "6:38", "start_time": "6:34", "text": "And I've never had that experience and nor will I ever." }, { "end_time": "6:42", "start_time": "6:38", "text": "So you feel like you missed out on a certain experience in life." }, { "end_time": "6:45", "start_time": "6:42", "text": "That's that's specifically what you regret about dropping out?" }, { "end_time": "6:46", "start_time": "6:45", "text": "That's the only thing I regret." }, { "end_time": "6:48", "start_time": "6:46", "text": "The rest of it I don't regret." }, { "end_time": "6:48", "start_time": "6:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:49", "start_time": "6:48", "text": "The career of this pandemic." }, { "end_time": "6:49", "start_time": "6:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:50", "start_time": "6:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:50", "start_time": "6:50", "text": "Of course not." }, { "end_time": "6:53", "start_time": "6:50", "text": "We got lucky like so many times in life." }, { "end_time": "6:53", "start_time": "6:53", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "6:55", "start_time": "6:54", "text": "So definitely don't regret that." }, { "end_time": "7:13", "start_time": "6:56", "text": "But the whole experience of going to college, which is in every movie and you see friends from college and it's reinstated, you know, all over every time you meet somebody from a group of people who went to college together." }, { "end_time": "7:14", "start_time": "7:13", "text": "That I miss." }, { "end_time": "7:15", "start_time": "7:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:17", "start_time": "7:15", "text": "Miss having that bro group." }, { "end_time": "7:17", "start_time": "7:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:18", "start_time": "7:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:19", "start_time": "7:18", "text": "Messing around." }, { "end_time": "7:20", "start_time": "7:19", "text": "How did you get into trading?" }, { "end_time": "7:28", "start_time": "7:21", "text": "And, you know, actually, you know, before we actually get to talking about trading, I heard you say something very interesting in one of your YouTube videos." }, { "end_time": "7:39", "start_time": "7:29", "text": "You said that chess creates a very good environment in your head because it allows you to be creative within a framework of pre decided rules." }, { "end_time": "7:43", "start_time": "7:40", "text": "And you said the same rules somewhat apply to the stock market and finance." }, { "end_time": "7:44", "start_time": "7:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:54", "start_time": "7:45", "text": "So chess is less about intelligence and more about the ability to remember every game which was played historically." }, { "end_time": "7:57", "start_time": "7:55", "text": "So you need to know all the openings that are out there." }, { "end_time": "8:05", "start_time": "7:57", "text": "You need to know middle game, end game theory and there are a bunch of basic structural rules in chess." }, { "end_time": "8:12", "start_time": "8:06", "text": "You have to like try and control the center, develop your pieces quickly, castle as quickly as you can." }, { "end_time": "8:19", "start_time": "8:13", "text": "You have to follow those rules and then you can, you know, add the extra thing which makes you a differentiated chess player." }, { "end_time": "8:23", "start_time": "8:21", "text": "Not just trading but I think life is like that." }, { "end_time": "8:27", "start_time": "8:24", "text": "You can't not have any rules whatsoever." }, { "end_time": "8:36", "start_time": "8:28", "text": "Certain level of discipline I think goes a long way in making every success story happen." }, { "end_time": "8:38", "start_time": "8:36", "text": "Like what what kind of discipline?" }, { "end_time": "8:50", "start_time": "8:38", "text": "If I were to equate it with trading I would say, things like having a stop loss, not taking too much leverage, diversifying, not touching penny stocks." }, { "end_time": "8:57", "start_time": "8:51", "text": "There are rules in trading, there are rules in chess but what you do outside of these rules makes you different." }, { "end_time": "8:59", "start_time": "8:58", "text": "But you have to follow these rules." }, { "end_time": "9:00", "start_time": "8:59", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "9:04", "start_time": "9:01", "text": "Again referencing the podcast you did with your brother." }, { "end_time": "9:04", "start_time": "9:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:05", "start_time": "9:04", "text": "We call it test cricket." }, { "end_time": "9:06", "start_time": "9:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:07", "start_time": "9:06", "text": "It's kinda like test cricket." }, { "end_time": "9:09", "start_time": "9:07", "text": "Like you play a slow and steady game." }, { "end_time": "9:10", "start_time": "9:09", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "9:13", "start_time": "9:10", "text": "Play ethically, you play going to the classic definitions of things." }, { "end_time": "9:18", "start_time": "9:13", "text": "So I just want to highlight something, that you spoke about here." }, { "end_time": "9:21", "start_time": "9:18", "text": "You basically were talking about the concept of pattern recognition." }, { "end_time": "9:21", "start_time": "9:21", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "9:25", "start_time": "9:21", "text": "That okay you've seen past chess games, you've learned from it." }, { "end_time": "9:25", "start_time": "9:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:30", "start_time": "9:25", "text": "And then when you're in a situation where you wanna win a chess match, you go back to one of your old patterns." }, { "end_time": "9:36", "start_time": "9:30", "text": "You say, okay this is similar to that particular chess game I saw in 1997 or whatever." }, { "end_time": "9:41", "start_time": "9:37", "text": "And that's the basic concept of how artificial intelligence works also." }, { "end_time": "9:47", "start_time": "9:42", "text": "When we do any talk about AI powered products or AI powered apps, that's what's happening at a core level." }, { "end_time": "9:48", "start_time": "9:47", "text": "You're feeding in a lot of patterns." }, { "end_time": "9:49", "start_time": "9:48", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "9:55", "start_time": "9:49", "text": "That system is learning it and then it's executing things based on, you know, what the old patterns were." }, { "end_time": "9:58", "start_time": "9:55", "text": "Which also reminds me of an article I read about intuition." }, { "end_time": "9:58", "start_time": "9:58", "text": "Human intuition." }, { "end_time": "10:01", "start_time": "9:58", "text": "You know, people say that, okay, I have a good 6th sense." }, { "end_time": "10:02", "start_time": "10:01", "text": "I can read people." }, { "end_time": "10:02", "start_time": "10:02", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "10:04", "start_time": "10:02", "text": "Or I can read situations." }, { "end_time": "10:07", "start_time": "10:05", "text": "At its core it's basically pattern recognition." }, { "end_time": "10:10", "start_time": "10:08", "text": "I think we were discussing this yesterday." }, { "end_time": "10:10", "start_time": "10:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:10", "start_time": "10:10", "text": "Last night." }, { "end_time": "10:11", "start_time": "10:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:12", "start_time": "10:11", "text": "So This morning." }, { "end_time": "10:14", "start_time": "10:13", "text": "I don't remember when." }, { "end_time": "10:14", "start_time": "10:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:14", "start_time": "10:14", "text": "This morning." }, { "end_time": "10:21", "start_time": "10:16", "text": "But it's basically you you end up reading someone's eyebrow movements." }, { "end_time": "10:22", "start_time": "10:21", "text": "The way their eyes move." }, { "end_time": "10:26", "start_time": "10:23", "text": "The way their lips, get pulls up or whatever it's called." }, { "end_time": "10:35", "start_time": "10:27", "text": "In certain situations and then you're able to kind of go back to your own memory and highlight a moment from your past where you're like okay." }, { "end_time": "10:38", "start_time": "10:35", "text": "In that situation this person was thinking in this way." }, { "end_time": "10:46", "start_time": "10:38", "text": "Therefore Nikhil might be thinking like this and according to the context of this business scenario let me say this or let me take this decision." }, { "end_time": "10:54", "start_time": "10:46", "text": "Which is a very strong, it's a very important trait in the world of startups in in just the professional world." }, { "end_time": "11:03", "start_time": "10:55", "text": "But does intuition come into play in the stock market as well and is that why your brother calls you naturally gifted at this game?" }, { "end_time": "11:04", "start_time": "11:04", "text": "I think it does." }, { "end_time": "11:05", "start_time": "11:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:12", "start_time": "11:05", "text": "So I've been doing exactly the same job I do today for a long time ever since I've been 17 years old." }, { "end_time": "11:17", "start_time": "11:13", "text": "So it's been a good 17 years of watching the markets everyday." }, { "end_time": "11:21", "start_time": "11:18", "text": "I don't think I have missed a single market day." }, { "end_time": "11:29", "start_time": "11:21", "text": "If the markets have been open and I might be anywhere in the world but I'm in front of my terminals, during market hours." }, { "end_time": "11:36", "start_time": "11:30", "text": "And looking at one thing for so many years everyday I think gives you a sense of intuition." }, { "end_time": "11:37", "start_time": "11:36", "text": "I think it does." }, { "end_time": "11:41", "start_time": "11:37", "text": "And do you think it's the same logic that it's pattern recognition at the end of the day?" }, { "end_time": "11:42", "start_time": "11:41", "text": "It could be." }, { "end_time": "11:45", "start_time": "11:42", "text": "I think, there is no structure to it." }, { "end_time": "11:45", "start_time": "11:45", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "11:49", "start_time": "11:46", "text": "If you go back in time like the very early traders." }, { "end_time": "11:52", "start_time": "11:50", "text": "There was something called reading the tape." }, { "end_time": "11:58", "start_time": "11:52", "text": "They would just look at stock prices changing and be able to discern, trends in the market." }, { "end_time": "12:03", "start_time": "11:59", "text": "That has kinda like become passe and is no longer true." }, { "end_time": "12:10", "start_time": "12:04", "text": "But I'm sure there is some level of innate, you can call it feel." }, { "end_time": "12:18", "start_time": "12:10", "text": "You need to have a feel for what is going on in the market and that helps you decide, whether you should go long, short, or what you should do." }, { "end_time": "12:19", "start_time": "12:18", "text": "Is it like gambling?" }, { "end_time": "12:22", "start_time": "12:21", "text": "It could be like gambling." }, { "end_time": "12:27", "start_time": "12:22", "text": "It depends on if you are levered and you know, if you have a 100 rupees in your account." }, { "end_time": "12:36", "start_time": "12:27", "text": "And in a hurry to make money, if you borrow 1900 rupees and buy something worth 2,000 rupees, it can very easily become gambling." }, { "end_time": "12:37", "start_time": "12:37", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "12:51", "start_time": "12:39", "text": "But if you follow rules and you're looking to make say 15% a year or 20% a year and you're in the market to garner value over the long term then it's not like gambling." }, { "end_time": "12:57", "start_time": "12:52", "text": "So you know movies like wolf of wall street or that scam 92 show." }, { "end_time": "13:01", "start_time": "12:57", "text": "Can you highlight certain aspects of the stock market that they've shown which are not really true?" }, { "end_time": "13:03", "start_time": "13:01", "text": "Other than other than the lifestyle." }, { "end_time": "13:05", "start_time": "13:03", "text": "Like specifically when it comes to the technicalities of finance." }, { "end_time": "13:06", "start_time": "13:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:08", "start_time": "13:06", "text": "What have they shown that's probably not how it really is?" }, { "end_time": "13:11", "start_time": "13:09", "text": "It's a scam, 92." }, { "end_time": "13:11", "start_time": "13:11", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "13:24", "start_time": "13:11", "text": "I watched it a couple of months ago and a lot of what he did back then is no longer relevant or even possible because technology has come in and kinda streamlined the compliance around trading." }, { "end_time": "13:25", "start_time": "13:25", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "13:48", "start_time": "13:26", "text": "Wolf of wall street, another great movie that I love, I think, showed people in our industry in a very bad light but, I think people in that era, were able to drive up stock price and manipulate it to a certain extent For the lack of regulation and lack of penetration in the market." }, { "end_time": "13:51", "start_time": "13:48", "text": "Not that many people access the markets at that time." }, { "end_time": "13:54", "start_time": "13:52", "text": "It would be very hard to do that today." }, { "end_time": "14:02", "start_time": "13:54", "text": "Especially in large cap companies there is very little, you know, insider stuff or manipulation or any of that." }, { "end_time": "14:02", "start_time": "14:02", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "14:03", "start_time": "14:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:08", "start_time": "14:03", "text": "Now coming back to your story, you see your elder brother, you know, getting active in the stock market." }, { "end_time": "14:16", "start_time": "14:08", "text": "You learn it yourself like because there's a lot of teenagers, young college students who kind of fascinated by the stock market." }, { "end_time": "14:17", "start_time": "14:16", "text": "Bunch of them step into themselves." }, { "end_time": "14:19", "start_time": "14:17", "text": "Bunch of them don't because they're afraid to." }, { "end_time": "14:21", "start_time": "14:19", "text": "They think that no I don't wanna play with money." }, { "end_time": "14:22", "start_time": "14:21", "text": "Money is too real world thing." }, { "end_time": "14:26", "start_time": "14:23", "text": "So what was your mindset at whatever age you started at?" }, { "end_time": "14:26", "start_time": "14:26", "text": "How old were you?" }, { "end_time": "14:27", "start_time": "14:26", "text": "I think 17." }, { "end_time": "14:33", "start_time": "14:28", "text": "I still remember because I had account with Sher Khan, and yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:42", "start_time": "14:33", "text": "So I did and Nathan being, in the trading world already made a big difference and, it kinda maybe drew me towards trading." }, { "end_time": "14:48", "start_time": "14:43", "text": "But trading is one of those things that you can't really, it's not a team sport." }, { "end_time": "14:50", "start_time": "14:48", "text": "I don't think 2 people can trade together." }, { "end_time": "14:52", "start_time": "14:51", "text": "It doesn't work like that." }, { "end_time": "14:59", "start_time": "14:52", "text": "There is a different style of trading for every person, and the best teacher is probably experience." }, { "end_time": "15:02", "start_time": "14:59", "text": "You have to you have to try." }, { "end_time": "15:03", "start_time": "15:02", "text": "You have to lose money." }, { "end_time": "15:06", "start_time": "15:03", "text": "You have to make money and then lose money again." }, { "end_time": "15:14", "start_time": "15:06", "text": "When you go through that cycle, many times, you start to realize what you did wrong when you lost money." }, { "end_time": "15:18", "start_time": "15:14", "text": "And that becomes the the teaching from that time period." }, { "end_time": "15:18", "start_time": "15:18", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:22", "start_time": "15:18", "text": "And initially you're playing with smaller amounts, then much more comfortable you play with like large ones." }, { "end_time": "15:23", "start_time": "15:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:23", "start_time": "15:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:28", "start_time": "15:23", "text": "So initially when I started, I used to work in a call center called 24 bar 7." }, { "end_time": "15:32", "start_time": "15:28", "text": "In Bangalore, early days of when call center started, you know." }, { "end_time": "15:36", "start_time": "15:32", "text": "And I I do the night shift and I trade as well." }, { "end_time": "15:42", "start_time": "15:36", "text": "So the money which went in was savings from that salary, and I used to get paid like 8,000 rupees a month or something." }, { "end_time": "15:44", "start_time": "15:42", "text": "So it was not a large amount of money at all." }, { "end_time": "15:52", "start_time": "15:46", "text": "But the thing with stock markets is it does not matter what your capital, you bring into the market." }, { "end_time": "15:53", "start_time": "15:52", "text": "It is still a lot of fun." }, { "end_time": "16:04", "start_time": "15:53", "text": "Outside of the money making aspect to watch something go up in value after you have bought it is very exhilarating and addictive in a in a very weird manner." }, { "end_time": "16:06", "start_time": "16:04", "text": "Like, can you explain this further?" }, { "end_time": "16:07", "start_time": "16:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:19", "start_time": "16:09", "text": "Very often when you buy something and it works out, it is not because you did better research than anybody or it's not because you are smarter than someone else." }, { "end_time": "16:26", "start_time": "16:20", "text": "It's a factor of chance and you know, many forces that people will not truly understand." }, { "end_time": "16:38", "start_time": "16:27", "text": "But I think the human mind is wired in such a way that subconsciously you attribute the stock going up to something you think you have done correctly." }, { "end_time": "16:43", "start_time": "16:39", "text": "And when the opposite happens and the stock goes down the same thing happens again." }, { "end_time": "16:45", "start_time": "16:43", "text": "You think you have done something wrong." }, { "end_time": "16:56", "start_time": "16:46", "text": "So you start to evolve and actually start to become a trader when, you come to the conclusion that nobody can predict stock prices." }, { "end_time": "16:59", "start_time": "16:57", "text": "You could have been doing this for 40 years." }, { "end_time": "17:02", "start_time": "16:59", "text": "You might have more information than anybody else." }, { "end_time": "17:09", "start_time": "17:02", "text": "But it is impossible to say stock is at, price 100 and it will go up to 1.20 in 3 months." }, { "end_time": "17:11", "start_time": "17:09", "text": "Nobody can make that call." }, { "end_time": "17:17", "start_time": "17:11", "text": "Once you arrive at that spot, then you focus less about predicting the future." }, { "end_time": "17:22", "start_time": "17:17", "text": "You worry more about, covering risk in all market conditions." }, { "end_time": "17:29", "start_time": "17:22", "text": "So you think if the stock goes from 100 to 110, how can I have the best risk metrics in place?" }, { "end_time": "17:31", "start_time": "17:29", "text": "If it goes from 100 to 90 the same." }, { "end_time": "17:33", "start_time": "17:31", "text": "If 100 becomes 70 the same." }, { "end_time": "17:39", "start_time": "17:33", "text": "And then you arrive at a model portfolio, which should do okay in all these circumstances." }, { "end_time": "17:42", "start_time": "17:40", "text": "And then you know, you just close your eyes and pray." }, { "end_time": "17:42", "start_time": "17:42", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "17:43", "start_time": "17:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:50", "start_time": "17:43", "text": "But making predictions on stock price is impossible and I think people have to realize that very early." }, { "end_time": "17:56", "start_time": "17:50", "text": "Again if you are to like you know signal out one particular skill would it probably be pattern recognition?" }, { "end_time": "17:57", "start_time": "17:56", "text": "Or anything else?" }, { "end_time": "18:04", "start_time": "17:58", "text": "I would say more the ability to be able to objectively read sentiment." }, { "end_time": "18:10", "start_time": "18:05", "text": "At the end of the day stocks move, not because of how the fundamentals have changed." }, { "end_time": "18:15", "start_time": "18:11", "text": "Not because a pattern which happened in the past will replicate itself." }, { "end_time": "18:19", "start_time": "18:16", "text": "The entire premise of technical analysis." }, { "end_time": "18:24", "start_time": "18:19", "text": "If you watch TV, you know, people keep saying moving average crossover or head and shoulders and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "18:29", "start_time": "18:25", "text": "It is based on the premise that the past will repeat itself." }, { "end_time": "18:30", "start_time": "18:29", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "18:33", "start_time": "18:30", "text": "I personally think market activity is random." }, { "end_time": "18:39", "start_time": "18:34", "text": "What happens tomorrow might have, no resemblance to what happened in the past." }, { "end_time": "18:42", "start_time": "18:40", "text": "So I don't think that helps as much." }, { "end_time": "18:48", "start_time": "18:42", "text": "But being able to read sentiment, because stock price is more if more people want to buy and less people want to sell." }, { "end_time": "18:57", "start_time": "18:49", "text": "So to look at people around you and figure out, if they're inclined to buy, I think that really helps." }, { "end_time": "18:59", "start_time": "18:57", "text": "So understanding human psychology?" }, { "end_time": "19:05", "start_time": "18:59", "text": "I think, you would be surprised but equity trading is essentially just understanding psychology." }, { "end_time": "19:07", "start_time": "19:07", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "19:11", "start_time": "19:07", "text": "Understanding what investors are doing." }, { "end_time": "19:13", "start_time": "19:11", "text": "Understanding what promoters are doing." }, { "end_time": "19:23", "start_time": "19:14", "text": "Even to the extent that understanding what leaders and politicians are doing, because that in turn has an effect on what happens to the underlying companies." }, { "end_time": "19:24", "start_time": "19:23", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "19:27", "start_time": "19:24", "text": "For the young listeners, could you explain what equity trading is?" }, { "end_time": "19:28", "start_time": "19:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:28", "start_time": "19:28", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "19:53", "start_time": "19:29", "text": "So each time a company needs to raise capital, they either go to a bank or, they go to, you know, a private equity firm, which gives them money privately if they want to raise capital from the people of India the public they go to stock market so I have a company x I make 100 rupees of profit I need 10 rupees to grow my company." }, { "end_time": "19:55", "start_time": "19:53", "text": "So I will go to the stock markets." }, { "end_time": "19:58", "start_time": "19:55", "text": "I'll see I'll sell 10% of my company for a 100 rupees." }, { "end_time": "20:02", "start_time": "19:59", "text": "You give me the money and then you become shareholders in my business." }, { "end_time": "20:05", "start_time": "20:03", "text": "That is essentially equity being created." }, { "end_time": "20:06", "start_time": "20:05", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "20:10", "start_time": "20:06", "text": "And then people buy and sell that equity constantly and that is equity trading." }, { "end_time": "20:11", "start_time": "20:11", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "20:14", "start_time": "20:12", "text": "And, again speaking about human psychology." }, { "end_time": "20:15", "start_time": "20:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:21", "start_time": "20:16", "text": "So you understand human psychology on a mass scale because of trading in the stock market." }, { "end_time": "20:21", "start_time": "20:21", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "20:25", "start_time": "20:21", "text": "Does that also teach you human psychology on a very one to one level?" }, { "end_time": "20:28", "start_time": "20:25", "text": "Do you think you become a better reader of people as well?" }, { "end_time": "20:33", "start_time": "20:29", "text": "A lot of people tell me I'm a terrible reader of people." }, { "end_time": "20:35", "start_time": "20:34", "text": "So I don't know." }, { "end_time": "20:37", "start_time": "20:35", "text": "But I enjoy psychology a lot." }, { "end_time": "20:46", "start_time": "20:37", "text": "It be human or, you know, psychology around, finance or even the behavioral psychology aspects of things." }, { "end_time": "20:59", "start_time": "20:49", "text": "I think it's the most interesting thing in the world to try and understand what somebody else is thinking and, what is driving them to think in a certain manner." }, { "end_time": "20:59", "start_time": "20:59", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "21:01", "start_time": "21:00", "text": "I find it fascinating." }, { "end_time": "21:02", "start_time": "21:01", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:10", "start_time": "21:02", "text": "But if your brother called you one of the most gifted traders he knows, You know what goes on in the head of someone like that?" }, { "end_time": "21:15", "start_time": "21:10", "text": "Like like you like if you if I mean everyone knows that you're gifted." }, { "end_time": "21:19", "start_time": "21:15", "text": "You've kind of proven that with zerodha and everything you guys have done." }, { "end_time": "21:23", "start_time": "21:19", "text": "But what goes on in your head if you're actually born with that gift of being great at finance?" }, { "end_time": "21:26", "start_time": "21:23", "text": "So on an everyday basis do you constantly think of the stock market?" }, { "end_time": "21:28", "start_time": "21:27", "text": "Are the numbers flashing in your head?" }, { "end_time": "21:29", "start_time": "21:28", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "21:30", "start_time": "21:29", "text": "Nothing like that is happening." }, { "end_time": "21:31", "start_time": "21:30", "text": "I wish that were true." }, { "end_time": "21:38", "start_time": "21:35", "text": "So one thing the stock market teach you is humility." }, { "end_time": "21:43", "start_time": "21:38", "text": "Because you might have been doing it for 15 years, you might have made a lot of money trading." }, { "end_time": "21:49", "start_time": "21:44", "text": "But the minute you let that get to you, the 21st year will, you know, take everything away." }, { "end_time": "21:56", "start_time": "21:49", "text": "Because every trade is like your beginning and the trade is not concerned by who is placing that trade." }, { "end_time": "21:57", "start_time": "21:56", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "22:01", "start_time": "21:57", "text": "So it's a very, it's a ecosystem which is very leveling." }, { "end_time": "22:06", "start_time": "22:02", "text": "Because you might have x amount of capital and someone else might have a 100 rupees." }, { "end_time": "22:10", "start_time": "22:06", "text": "But when you buy or sell to the market, you're exactly the same." }, { "end_time": "22:11", "start_time": "22:11", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "22:21", "start_time": "22:12", "text": "But outside of, you know, being able to read sentiment and having, having a lot of experience in trading and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "22:23", "start_time": "22:21", "text": "I don't think I'm doing anything special." }, { "end_time": "22:36", "start_time": "22:24", "text": "The only thing I've learned with time is, the rules that I have in my trading systems, and these are not fancy or these are not things which are difficult to replicate." }, { "end_time": "22:38", "start_time": "22:37", "text": "You know, very simple stuff." }, { "end_time": "22:44", "start_time": "22:38", "text": "As long as you do the simple stuff correctly and you don't have ridiculous expectations." }, { "end_time": "22:48", "start_time": "22:44", "text": "You can't go into the market thinking I'll make 30 40% every year." }, { "end_time": "22:48", "start_time": "22:48", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "22:59", "start_time": "22:49", "text": "If the risk free rate of a certain country is let's say 5%, and inflation is around that, if you're making 9, 10% a year, I think it's an incredibly good return." }, { "end_time": "23:00", "start_time": "22:59", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "23:04", "start_time": "23:00", "text": "If you're trying to achieve that, I think, stock markets are a great place." }, { "end_time": "23:18", "start_time": "23:05", "text": "The one thing people forget when you compare stock market with other investments like real estate or bank fixed deposits and everything else that is available in India is the liquid nature of stock markets." }, { "end_time": "23:22", "start_time": "23:18", "text": "You can sell it at any point of time, and you can take out money." }, { "end_time": "23:31", "start_time": "23:23", "text": "And that makes this product, a lot better than other products which don't have that aspect of liquidity." }, { "end_time": "23:31", "start_time": "23:31", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "23:36", "start_time": "23:32", "text": "We all talk about why so many people are coming into the markets today." }, { "end_time": "23:40", "start_time": "23:36", "text": "I personally think that place that has a huge factor to play in all this." }, { "end_time": "23:51", "start_time": "23:40", "text": "People in the pandemic realize they might have a plot of land somewhere or they might have a home somewhere, But if things go crazy and they need to take out that money tomorrow, it's not easy." }, { "end_time": "23:53", "start_time": "23:51", "text": "But in the stock markets it is." }, { "end_time": "23:54", "start_time": "23:53", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "24:00", "start_time": "23:54", "text": "And I I foresee that more money will come in by virtue of this reason as well." }, { "end_time": "24:05", "start_time": "24:01", "text": "Yesterday we were talking about how generational gaps are reducing." }, { "end_time": "24:05", "start_time": "24:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:09", "start_time": "24:05", "text": "Basically means that Nikhil born in 1986 Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "24:12", "start_time": "24:09", "text": "And Ranbir born in 1993 or one generation." }, { "end_time": "24:12", "start_time": "24:12", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "24:14", "start_time": "24:12", "text": "I'm born 1997 is a 2nd generation." }, { "end_time": "24:15", "start_time": "24:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:17", "start_time": "24:15", "text": "So I'm born 1999 is a 3rd generation." }, { "end_time": "24:26", "start_time": "24:17", "text": "So the generational gap is reducing which means the world is getting filled up with newer, fresher, more advanced and more rapidly advancing mindsets than ever before." }, { "end_time": "24:34", "start_time": "24:26", "text": "Which is why I feel that there's a huge burst in the world of personal finance, asset management, all these domains." }, { "end_time": "24:39", "start_time": "24:34", "text": "Where where, you know, your average person on the road is also concerned with how do I multiply my money." }, { "end_time": "24:39", "start_time": "24:39", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "24:45", "start_time": "24:39", "text": "Be it through mutual funds, be it through, you know, the stock market or whatever you have." }, { "end_time": "24:56", "start_time": "24:47", "text": "In in this whole ecosystem that the country is kind of entered, I think Zirodha was a very right moment app." }, { "end_time": "24:56", "start_time": "24:56", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "25:03", "start_time": "24:56", "text": "But you guys began as with the with the intention of just starting a portfolio management service in its heart." }, { "end_time": "25:06", "start_time": "25:04", "text": "And then something happened along the way." }, { "end_time": "25:07", "start_time": "25:06", "text": "And you all figured that no no wait." }, { "end_time": "25:08", "start_time": "25:07", "text": "Let's now build product." }, { "end_time": "25:09", "start_time": "25:08", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:11", "start_time": "25:09", "text": "So my question is what happened along the way?" }, { "end_time": "25:21", "start_time": "25:11", "text": "Because if you get you guys are great traders I'm sure you all would have done a great job as portfolio managers for HNIs or you know just people who investing with you." }, { "end_time": "25:28", "start_time": "25:21", "text": "But why did you all go down this road of creating a tech startup through you know the world of finance?" }, { "end_time": "25:32", "start_time": "25:28", "text": "Because it's it's given a lot of inspiration to a lot of entrepreneurs from other domains." }, { "end_time": "25:38", "start_time": "25:32", "text": "For example myself in content After speaking in it then I really started thinking about how I can incorporate tech into what I'm doing." }, { "end_time": "25:39", "start_time": "25:38", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "25:43", "start_time": "25:39", "text": "So I'm sure you all also had some kind of an inspirational moment like that and that's my question." }, { "end_time": "25:53", "start_time": "25:44", "text": "So when we began at the very beginning, we wanted to do broking because we were traders and everything which was available out there was horrible." }, { "end_time": "25:54", "start_time": "25:53", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "25:57", "start_time": "25:55", "text": "It was very expensive, very clunky." }, { "end_time": "26:12", "start_time": "25:58", "text": "So when we started, cost was our unique USB and people came to us because we were charging a flat 20 rupees and everybody else was charging half a percent which is maybe 10 times as expensive as us." }, { "end_time": "26:32", "start_time": "26:13", "text": "The shift from cost being the USB, to technology, I think to be fair, I think the credit goes to Kailash, and Nitin maybe because when we hired, or when Kailash joined us, I think that's when we actually became a tech player." }, { "end_time": "26:39", "start_time": "26:32", "text": "And all of the tech products and everything around technology has largely, you know, been his, his doing." }, { "end_time": "26:39", "start_time": "26:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:54", "start_time": "26:39", "text": "So I think all the all the credit there to him and, on a larger scale, I mean, the only way for us to reach, you know, millions of people across the country is to have better tech products than other people and reach them online." }, { "end_time": "26:54", "start_time": "26:54", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "26:58", "start_time": "26:54", "text": "I don't think the brick and mortar way of doing things works anymore." }, { "end_time": "27:05", "start_time": "26:59", "text": "In fact, Bombay this weekend, I've been meeting a lot of people who are in the brick and mortar industries." }, { "end_time": "27:09", "start_time": "27:05", "text": "So even these guys are now exactly what we're talking about right now." }, { "end_time": "27:13", "start_time": "27:09", "text": "They realize how important technology is and they want to adopt it." }, { "end_time": "27:26", "start_time": "27:14", "text": "But I think, I think it's very hard for someone who has done stuff a certain way for like 20 years to suddenly change and become a different kind of company." }, { "end_time": "27:33", "start_time": "27:27", "text": "I think often in every company's life cycle, when a company does well." }, { "end_time": "27:34", "start_time": "27:33", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "27:50", "start_time": "27:34", "text": "Everybody associated with that company, like I was talking about trading earlier, is naturally surrounded by people who are treating them, like they have some superior ability or they're gifted in some way by virtue of what happened to the company." }, { "end_time": "28:01", "start_time": "27:52", "text": "Many times how well a company does is a factor of, timing, luck, and where who was at what point of time." }, { "end_time": "28:02", "start_time": "28:01", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "28:05", "start_time": "28:02", "text": "I think it's very important for people running companies to not forget that." }, { "end_time": "28:19", "start_time": "28:06", "text": "But more importantly, I think you have to understand when you're becoming less relevant in every industry and be able to replace yourself with people who are smarter from a newer generation like you are adhering to earlier." }, { "end_time": "28:20", "start_time": "28:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:26", "start_time": "28:20", "text": "Do do you see my generation being for lack of a better word, more gifted than like the previous generation?" }, { "end_time": "28:27", "start_time": "28:26", "text": "Probably I would say so." }, { "end_time": "28:42", "start_time": "28:27", "text": "I think, like I'm 34 now and I'm sure in 4 5 6 years, I will become less relevant than I am today and a new 25 year old will be better equipped to do what I am doing." }, { "end_time": "28:42", "start_time": "28:42", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "28:56", "start_time": "28:43", "text": "But I think I have to be smart about that and I have to make sure I find those people today and not wait for me to, you know, become less competent in a way and then do it." }, { "end_time": "28:59", "start_time": "28:56", "text": "That that keeps companies going for much longer." }, { "end_time": "28:59", "start_time": "28:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:02", "start_time": "28:59", "text": "And it's also about the guy, who started it all." }, { "end_time": "29:04", "start_time": "29:02", "text": "Staying humble and taking feedback, man." }, { "end_time": "29:12", "start_time": "29:04", "text": "Like this is something I've seen that even if you recruit younger people to join your team, sometimes you're too arrogant to, like, listen to them." }, { "end_time": "29:13", "start_time": "29:12", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "29:15", "start_time": "29:13", "text": "So, have you heard of filter copy Dice Media?" }, { "end_time": "29:18", "start_time": "29:16", "text": "They don't you must have seen filter copies videos." }, { "end_time": "29:20", "start_time": "29:18", "text": "This is a strategy I picked up from them." }, { "end_time": "29:20", "start_time": "29:20", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "29:25", "start_time": "29:20", "text": "Someone asked them how do you keep your content relevant considering the amount of content you're putting up?" }, { "end_time": "29:28", "start_time": "29:25", "text": "How do you keep topics, you know, popping in your head?" }, { "end_time": "29:31", "start_time": "29:28", "text": "And they said that we just hire younger writers every year." }, { "end_time": "29:37", "start_time": "29:31", "text": "You've hired all the 93 born people, now hire all the 95 born people, now hire all the 97 born people." }, { "end_time": "29:39", "start_time": "29:37", "text": "Every year you just keep hiring younger." }, { "end_time": "29:41", "start_time": "29:39", "text": "At the same time take feedback right from the bottom." }, { "end_time": "29:43", "start_time": "29:42", "text": "I think I think we are there." }, { "end_time": "29:49", "start_time": "29:43", "text": "I think, in a couple of years, I mean nobody remains the largest forever." }, { "end_time": "29:49", "start_time": "29:49", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "29:54", "start_time": "29:49", "text": "Like we've gotten lucky and we're the largest broker and, like we were talking about asset management." }, { "end_time": "30:01", "start_time": "29:54", "text": "We are coming back into asset management in a way with True Beacon and, focus on the ultra HNI space." }, { "end_time": "30:15", "start_time": "30:01", "text": "But in a couple of years, like everybody who is, you know, me or Nathan or anybody else who's play playing a role of leadership has been doing what we're doing for 10 years, 11 years, or longer in many cases." }, { "end_time": "30:21", "start_time": "30:15", "text": "So we will have to bring new blood in and allow for that new blood to take roles of leadership." }, { "end_time": "30:24", "start_time": "30:22", "text": "Because the older people will become less relevant." }, { "end_time": "30:28", "start_time": "30:24", "text": "Speaking about new blood, I've got to take you back to the time you were 15." }, { "end_time": "30:29", "start_time": "30:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:34", "start_time": "30:29", "text": "And I don't know what your mindset was then dude because you seem like a very calm collected human being." }, { "end_time": "30:35", "start_time": "30:34", "text": "Who's doing his own thing." }, { "end_time": "30:39", "start_time": "30:35", "text": "But was there any kind of fire to prove yourself after dropping out?" }, { "end_time": "30:43", "start_time": "30:40", "text": "See what happens is once you stop going to school, you feel very insecure." }, { "end_time": "30:51", "start_time": "30:45", "text": "Your friends, your classmates of the time go on to, you know, colleges and they have a certain trajectory." }, { "end_time": "30:53", "start_time": "30:51", "text": "So you read a lot to overcompensate." }, { "end_time": "30:56", "start_time": "30:54", "text": "I think I went through that phase like self study." }, { "end_time": "30:56", "start_time": "30:56", "text": "Self study." }, { "end_time": "31:05", "start_time": "30:56", "text": "You read whatever you find interesting but while you're reading, you're not actually reading because you're, interested in what the book has to offer." }, { "end_time": "31:14", "start_time": "31:06", "text": "A part of it is you're interested, but a large part is you kinda like dealing with your own insecurity of not going to college." }, { "end_time": "31:14", "start_time": "31:14", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "31:18", "start_time": "31:14", "text": "Because you feel like a child, I didn't go to college, all my friends did." }, { "end_time": "31:22", "start_time": "31:18", "text": "But at least I'm, you know, reading and I'm learning, and I'm not being left behind." }, { "end_time": "31:24", "start_time": "31:22", "text": "Do you think that's a more valuable education?" }, { "end_time": "31:28", "start_time": "31:26", "text": "In some cases, yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:30", "start_time": "31:28", "text": "But in most cases, no." }, { "end_time": "31:42", "start_time": "31:30", "text": "I would say because, I I don't think I I would ever recommend dropping out to people because, we got lucky but not necessarily a 100 people who drop out." }, { "end_time": "31:45", "start_time": "31:42", "text": "You'll have more than 10 or 20 who get lucky." }, { "end_time": "31:45", "start_time": "31:45", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "31:53", "start_time": "31:45", "text": "So for the vast majority to have that formal education structure behind them, prepares them for so many other things in life." }, { "end_time": "31:54", "start_time": "31:53", "text": "Which dropping out a lot." }, { "end_time": "31:55", "start_time": "31:54", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "31:59", "start_time": "31:55", "text": "I mean and I know that you're gonna highlight luck as a big part of this whole process." }, { "end_time": "32:00", "start_time": "31:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:09", "start_time": "32:00", "text": "But other than that, on a very, like, human level, what did you do right from a mentality perspective or from an execution based perspective, Not from a business perspective." }, { "end_time": "32:15", "start_time": "32:09", "text": "The guy, Nikhil, what did that 18 year old, 19 year old think correct?" }, { "end_time": "32:20", "start_time": "32:16", "text": "What are you willing to do that, you know, set you up for the rest of your life?" }, { "end_time": "32:20", "start_time": "32:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:30", "start_time": "32:21", "text": "See when we began broking in 2,009, 2010, we were coming off the financial crisis which happened in 20 8." }, { "end_time": "32:36", "start_time": "32:32", "text": "Stock markets were not cool, broking was definitely not cool." }, { "end_time": "32:43", "start_time": "32:37", "text": "There was very little innovation and money being spent on doing new things in, stock markets." }, { "end_time": "32:52", "start_time": "32:44", "text": "So we started at a point where there was a vacuum in a way for anybody to do anything new in stock markets, and we took advantage of that." }, { "end_time": "32:52", "start_time": "32:52", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "33:01", "start_time": "32:53", "text": "If we were to try and replicate exactly what we did back then in any other time, maybe in 2020 if we tried, I don't think it would work." }, { "end_time": "33:03", "start_time": "33:02", "text": "So that played a huge part." }, { "end_time": "33:24", "start_time": "33:03", "text": "And and personally, I think, in in my entire career of trading or broking or asset management, the one thing, I think I have the one thing which has been a little bit of a differentiator is all the time and hours spent on the stock market." }, { "end_time": "33:26", "start_time": "33:24", "text": "I'm sticking to my niche." }, { "end_time": "33:27", "start_time": "33:26", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "33:32", "start_time": "33:27", "text": "I'm not trying to build something where I have to start learning from the basics." }, { "end_time": "33:40", "start_time": "33:33", "text": "This is something I've been doing all my life and I'm attempting to do new things in the same industry." }, { "end_time": "33:43", "start_time": "33:40", "text": "They're essentially the same job but with different skins, you know." }, { "end_time": "33:45", "start_time": "33:43", "text": "I think that makes a huge difference." }, { "end_time": "33:46", "start_time": "33:45", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "33:47", "start_time": "33:46", "text": "You know what I mean?" }, { "end_time": "33:53", "start_time": "33:47", "text": "And I gotta highlight something for you because I I just feel you're too humble a guy so you may not highlight this yourself." }, { "end_time": "34:00", "start_time": "33:54", "text": "If you you spoke about sticking to your niche, but in its essence, that's preparation for your moment." }, { "end_time": "34:10", "start_time": "34:00", "text": "So maybe the 2008 crash was your moment, but you'd spent from, you know, 1999 to say 2007 just keeping at it." }, { "end_time": "34:14", "start_time": "34:10", "text": "Again the luck factor could be that you found your vibe early in life." }, { "end_time": "34:18", "start_time": "34:14", "text": "You found something that you enjoy, something that comes naturally to you, But you kept at it." }, { "end_time": "34:27", "start_time": "34:18", "text": "And I'm sure that even once you all began Xero, there were all those learnings of 7, 8 years of work, but just came into play right place right there." }, { "end_time": "34:27", "start_time": "34:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:28", "start_time": "34:27", "text": "Would you agree?" }, { "end_time": "34:28", "start_time": "34:28", "text": "I would agree." }, { "end_time": "34:32", "start_time": "34:28", "text": "And I think, what you mentioned there is very important." }, { "end_time": "34:34", "start_time": "34:32", "text": "The fact that I liked this job." }, { "end_time": "34:36", "start_time": "34:34", "text": "The fact that I like the stock market." }, { "end_time": "34:38", "start_time": "34:36", "text": "I think that's the biggest differentiator." }, { "end_time": "34:39", "start_time": "34:39", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "34:44", "start_time": "34:39", "text": "Like, after 17 years, like 5 years down the line if I were to not make any money." }, { "end_time": "34:46", "start_time": "34:45", "text": "I still think I would be sitting and trading." }, { "end_time": "34:48", "start_time": "34:46", "text": "Even if I were to be losing money." }, { "end_time": "34:50", "start_time": "34:48", "text": "Because I enjoyed that much." }, { "end_time": "34:50", "start_time": "34:50", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "34:52", "start_time": "34:50", "text": "I think that was the real differentiator." }, { "end_time": "34:56", "start_time": "34:53", "text": "I mean they say that success happens when preparation meets opportunity." }, { "end_time": "35:02", "start_time": "34:57", "text": "I also feel it you should add another masala there which is called the masala fun." }, { "end_time": "35:08", "start_time": "35:02", "text": "I really see joy in you when you speak about the stock market or just finance in general, man." }, { "end_time": "35:08", "start_time": "35:08", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:17", "start_time": "35:09", "text": "So now after Zerodha has been established, the obvious question is what what next?" }, { "end_time": "35:28", "start_time": "35:17", "text": "Like you guys, I mean there's a lot of people who would probably stop doing their job after they've reached a point like which the Kamak brothers have reached." }, { "end_time": "35:29", "start_time": "35:28", "text": "But you guys are planning further." }, { "end_time": "35:29", "start_time": "35:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:32", "start_time": "35:29", "text": "And you all are like, you know, hiring more, building teams." }, { "end_time": "35:33", "start_time": "35:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:34", "start_time": "35:33", "text": "What's the thought process?" }, { "end_time": "35:40", "start_time": "35:35", "text": "Well, so right now I'm spending a lot of time on True Beacon, which is the asset management company." }, { "end_time": "35:41", "start_time": "35:41", "text": "What okay." }, { "end_time": "35:42", "start_time": "35:41", "text": "Hold up." }, { "end_time": "35:45", "start_time": "35:42", "text": "I need you to explain to the young listeners what asset management is all." }, { "end_time": "35:45", "start_time": "35:45", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "35:54", "start_time": "35:46", "text": "So if you want to invest your money in equity markets to get a return, you can either do it yourself or do it through a fund manager." }, { "end_time": "36:00", "start_time": "35:55", "text": "Asset management has 3, kind of licenses in India." }, { "end_time": "36:01", "start_time": "36:00", "text": "You can be a mutual fund." }, { "end_time": "36:04", "start_time": "36:02", "text": "You can take any amount of capital." }, { "end_time": "36:07", "start_time": "36:05", "text": "You can't really hedge too much." }, { "end_time": "36:10", "start_time": "36:07", "text": "Hedging is covering for risk by taking a position on the short side." }, { "end_time": "36:13", "start_time": "36:11", "text": "You you gotta break that down in later stage." }, { "end_time": "36:13", "start_time": "36:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:14", "start_time": "36:13", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "36:17", "start_time": "36:14", "text": "So hedging is, say I want to buy Reliance." }, { "end_time": "36:20", "start_time": "36:18", "text": "I want to hold a 100 shares of Reliance." }, { "end_time": "36:25", "start_time": "36:21", "text": "But if Reliance falls 50 percent, I want some kind of an insurance." }, { "end_time": "36:42", "start_time": "36:26", "text": "So I will buy a 100 shares of Reliance and then I will also add to that instrument for which I pay say 2 rupees on my 100 rupee investment on Reliance to cover the off possibility that the stock falls 30%." }, { "end_time": "36:51", "start_time": "36:42", "text": "So if the stock falls 30% that 2 rupees will become $20 and I'll have I'll have kinda like curtailed a part of the risk." }, { "end_time": "36:52", "start_time": "36:51", "text": "You're cushioning your loss." }, { "end_time": "36:52", "start_time": "36:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:53", "start_time": "36:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:55", "start_time": "36:53", "text": "But that 2 rupees is coming off my upside." }, { "end_time": "36:59", "start_time": "36:56", "text": "So if the stock goes from 100 to 110, I make 108." }, { "end_time": "37:00", "start_time": "36:59", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "37:00", "start_time": "37:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "37:02", "start_time": "37:00", "text": "So that is essentially hedging." }, { "end_time": "37:04", "start_time": "37:02", "text": "And, where was I?" }, { "end_time": "37:05", "start_time": "37:04", "text": "Mutual funds." }, { "end_time": "37:07", "start_time": "37:05", "text": "So mutual funds can't do any hedging." }, { "end_time": "37:10", "start_time": "37:07", "text": "You can take in 500 rupees, 1,000 rupee investment." }, { "end_time": "37:14", "start_time": "37:10", "text": "There are pooled investment vehicle where a 100 investors put money." }, { "end_time": "37:20", "start_time": "37:15", "text": "All of it gets, collected and aggregated and then invested into the stock market." }, { "end_time": "37:28", "start_time": "37:21", "text": "The fund manager will typically charge you a 2% management fee a year and 2% on the money you make." }, { "end_time": "37:29", "start_time": "37:28", "text": "2% on the money you invest." }, { "end_time": "37:30", "start_time": "37:29", "text": "On the money you invest." }, { "end_time": "37:31", "start_time": "37:30", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "37:32", "start_time": "37:31", "text": "It is expensive." }, { "end_time": "37:33", "start_time": "37:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "37:39", "start_time": "37:33", "text": "It used to be a lot higher and there were distributors and, all kind of leakages in place." }, { "end_time": "37:45", "start_time": "37:39", "text": "The regulator has cleaned it up to a large extent but still a lot of work needs to be done." }, { "end_time": "37:51", "start_time": "37:45", "text": "The second mode of asset management in India is a p m s, where you need to have a minimum of 25 lakhs." }, { "end_time": "37:55", "start_time": "37:52", "text": "You give your money to a fund manager again, and he manages it for you." }, { "end_time": "38:02", "start_time": "37:56", "text": "The third way is a category 3 alternate investment fund, which is what true beacon is." }, { "end_time": "38:04", "start_time": "38:02", "text": "Here you have the ability to hedge up to a 100%." }, { "end_time": "38:12", "start_time": "38:05", "text": "So you don't have to necessarily bet on the markets, long side or you don't have to bet on a company going up." }, { "end_time": "38:20", "start_time": "38:12", "text": "You can bet on a company going up versus a company going down and gain from the relative arbitrage which is available there." }, { "end_time": "38:23", "start_time": "38:21", "text": "Let me give you an example." }, { "end_time": "38:29", "start_time": "38:24", "text": "In a mutual fund if you want exposure in the IT space you will buy Infosys and TCS." }, { "end_time": "38:39", "start_time": "38:30", "text": "In a category 3 AIF, you can buy Infosys if the price has gone down and you can short sell a TCS at the same time." }, { "end_time": "38:43", "start_time": "38:39", "text": "Short selling is whenever you bet on a stocks price going down." }, { "end_time": "38:43", "start_time": "38:43", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "38:48", "start_time": "38:43", "text": "So if something is at 100 and I short sell it when it goes to 90, I make 10 rupees of profit." }, { "end_time": "38:49", "start_time": "38:48", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "38:59", "start_time": "38:49", "text": "So in a cat 3 a I f, if I think Infosys is relatively better as a company than TCS, I can do that transaction and make money out of that." }, { "end_time": "39:01", "start_time": "38:59", "text": "Buying Infosys and selling TCS." }, { "end_time": "39:01", "start_time": "39:01", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "39:07", "start_time": "39:02", "text": "What this allows for you to do is not be so dependent on market cycles." }, { "end_time": "39:13", "start_time": "39:07", "text": "You don't need the markets to go up 10% or you know, gradually go up every year." }, { "end_time": "39:19", "start_time": "39:13", "text": "You can just bet cross bet in companies in, the same sector in different sectors." }, { "end_time": "39:21", "start_time": "39:19", "text": "That's what we do at True Beacon." }, { "end_time": "39:23", "start_time": "39:21", "text": "What what does it mean for the consumer?" }, { "end_time": "39:34", "start_time": "39:24", "text": "For the consumer you have stable return profile and a much lower volatility profile than buying a vanilla mutual fund." }, { "end_time": "39:39", "start_time": "39:35", "text": "So say for example, if you buy a mutual fund and the markets go up 10%, you make 10%." }, { "end_time": "39:41", "start_time": "39:39", "text": "If it goes down 10%, you lose 10%." }, { "end_time": "39:42", "start_time": "39:41", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "39:48", "start_time": "39:42", "text": "But here you can create a risk profile when if the markets go up 10%, you make 6, 7%." }, { "end_time": "39:52", "start_time": "39:48", "text": "When the markets go down 10%, you only lose 3 4%." }, { "end_time": "39:52", "start_time": "39:52", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "39:59", "start_time": "39:52", "text": "It gives you differentiated, differentiated risk profile which is very attractive to many large investors." }, { "end_time": "40:00", "start_time": "39:59", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "40:02", "start_time": "40:00", "text": "So let me just get this straight." }, { "end_time": "40:06", "start_time": "40:02", "text": "Without getting into the details of the finance and the technicalities of it." }, { "end_time": "40:13", "start_time": "40:06", "text": "You're basically creating a system for your consumer where a really rich person can come and say I want to get a profit from this money no matter what." }, { "end_time": "40:15", "start_time": "40:13", "text": "So I will park my money with you." }, { "end_time": "40:17", "start_time": "40:15", "text": "I will invest in your company." }, { "end_time": "40:17", "start_time": "40:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "40:20", "start_time": "40:17", "text": "I will you can handle my money and you tell them, okay." }, { "end_time": "40:20", "start_time": "40:20", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "40:28", "start_time": "40:20", "text": "It's very likely that you will make so and so amount of money, which is higher than what you'd make by allowing your money to just be back or parked in the bank." }, { "end_time": "40:29", "start_time": "40:28", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "40:29", "start_time": "40:29", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "40:30", "start_time": "40:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "40:38", "start_time": "40:30", "text": "It becomes very attractive now because interest rate cycles are down and your bank FD which is to give you 8, 9% or 7% now gives you like 4, 5%." }, { "end_time": "40:39", "start_time": "40:39", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "40:40", "start_time": "40:39", "text": "So people like it." }, { "end_time": "40:45", "start_time": "40:40", "text": "I mean what's the minimum is it like you said, ultra h n i's." }, { "end_time": "40:45", "start_time": "40:45", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "40:45", "start_time": "40:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "40:47", "start_time": "40:45", "text": "It's about $1,000,000 is minimum." }, { "end_time": "40:48", "start_time": "40:47", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "40:49", "start_time": "40:48", "text": "Typically Seven gross." }, { "end_time": "40:50", "start_time": "40:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "40:55", "start_time": "40:50", "text": "So typically people start there but scale it significantly beyond that." }, { "end_time": "41:05", "start_time": "40:56", "text": "The other thing which is wrong with the asset management world today is, say Ranveer wants to invest 1 lakh rupees into wealth product." }, { "end_time": "41:13", "start_time": "41:05", "text": "When you go to say a private bank or a wealth adviser, the guy who's going to sell you the fund will charge you 1 or 2 rupees." }, { "end_time": "41:15", "start_time": "41:13", "text": "So you paid 1,000 or 2,000 already." }, { "end_time": "41:16", "start_time": "41:15", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "41:19", "start_time": "41:16", "text": "Then the fund manager will charge you another 2,000 rupees a year." }, { "end_time": "41:23", "start_time": "41:20", "text": "If you make money, if you don't make money he will charge you that." }, { "end_time": "41:25", "start_time": "41:23", "text": "And then there will be a lock in period." }, { "end_time": "41:31", "start_time": "41:25", "text": "You can't take out your money for 2 years and the whole, experience is not very transparent." }, { "end_time": "41:33", "start_time": "41:31", "text": "So we're trying to change all of that." }, { "end_time": "41:36", "start_time": "41:33", "text": "We have said we won't have any middlemen, so no distributors." }, { "end_time": "41:39", "start_time": "41:36", "text": "When you invest a 100, all 100 goes into the fund." }, { "end_time": "41:42", "start_time": "41:40", "text": "We have said no management fee." }, { "end_time": "41:47", "start_time": "41:42", "text": "So if, that 2,000 rupees you're paying with your normal fund, here we don't charge any of that." }, { "end_time": "41:54", "start_time": "41:48", "text": "We go to the extent where we don't charge brokerage, clearing fees, custody, accounting, demat." }, { "end_time": "41:56", "start_time": "41:55", "text": "All of this is 0." }, { "end_time": "42:04", "start_time": "41:57", "text": "The only thing we charge is if the 100 becomes a 110 at the end of the financial year, we charge 10% of profit as a fee." }, { "end_time": "42:06", "start_time": "42:04", "text": "So we will take 1." }, { "end_time": "42:13", "start_time": "42:06", "text": "So what we're trying to do is become more client aligned and only make money if the client makes money." }, { "end_time": "42:13", "start_time": "42:13", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "42:18", "start_time": "42:13", "text": "But still charge him much much lower than any other fund manager out there." }, { "end_time": "42:25", "start_time": "42:19", "text": "Often people do not realize, but if you pay 2% in fees a year, in 20 years compounded that's half your principal." }, { "end_time": "42:26", "start_time": "42:26", "text": "Oh." }, { "end_time": "42:32", "start_time": "42:27", "text": "It it makes a huge dent in the return profile you receive after 20 years." }, { "end_time": "42:32", "start_time": "42:32", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "42:39", "start_time": "42:32", "text": "And we felt like asset management in India and across the world had not changed for a long time." }, { "end_time": "42:51", "start_time": "42:39", "text": "So True Beacon is our attempt to make it, democratize it in a way and make it, a lot more transparent, remove a lot of the leakages, and a lot more efficient." }, { "end_time": "42:55", "start_time": "42:52", "text": "Richard, who you met last night is the CEO of that company." }, { "end_time": "42:57", "start_time": "42:55", "text": "Who I hope to bring on the podcast." }, { "end_time": "43:00", "start_time": "42:57", "text": "You've got a former Royal Air Force pilot Yeah." }, { "end_time": "43:03", "start_time": "43:00", "text": "Who's like worked in the corporate world as your CEO." }, { "end_time": "43:04", "start_time": "43:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "43:04", "start_time": "43:04", "text": "That's crazy." }, { "end_time": "43:12", "start_time": "43:04", "text": "But from from what you say, firstly, do you think that you said that things haven't changed in the last 20 years." }, { "end_time": "43:13", "start_time": "43:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "43:17", "start_time": "43:13", "text": "So the the the nerds of the finance world sort of know this." }, { "end_time": "43:19", "start_time": "43:17", "text": "Like they know that, okay, this is what happens." }, { "end_time": "43:22", "start_time": "43:20", "text": "And that's the business model they've adopted." }, { "end_time": "43:24", "start_time": "43:22", "text": "So you're applying logic here again." }, { "end_time": "43:26", "start_time": "43:24", "text": "Let's disrupt everything." }, { "end_time": "43:26", "start_time": "43:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "43:27", "start_time": "43:26", "text": "Let's throw in something new." }, { "end_time": "43:27", "start_time": "43:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "43:28", "start_time": "43:27", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "43:28", "start_time": "43:28", "text": "But okay." }, { "end_time": "43:32", "start_time": "43:28", "text": "The next next question is these ultra h n i's, they are customers." }, { "end_time": "43:33", "start_time": "43:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "43:34", "start_time": "43:33", "text": "How do you find them in the first place?" }, { "end_time": "43:35", "start_time": "43:34", "text": "Word-of-mouth." }, { "end_time": "43:38", "start_time": "43:36", "text": "So this is your own personal network firstly." }, { "end_time": "43:43", "start_time": "43:38", "text": "It used to be personal network but, we've been doing this for about 18 months now." }, { "end_time": "43:45", "start_time": "43:43", "text": "So we kinda like finish the personal network very quickly." }, { "end_time": "43:56", "start_time": "43:46", "text": "And now we get a lot of refer referrals and, there is a a little bit of press which is going around and that gets people interested." }, { "end_time": "44:00", "start_time": "43:56", "text": "And typically people seek us out for performance and transparency." }, { "end_time": "44:09", "start_time": "44:00", "text": "So these ultra h n i's would reach out to us on their own, and they'll ask us about, you know, how is it, how does it work, how do we get involved and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "44:14", "start_time": "44:09", "text": "So with 0, you're basically tackling your everyday consumer, which is your young college kids who have 5,000 rupees to spare." }, { "end_time": "44:15", "start_time": "44:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "44:21", "start_time": "44:15", "text": "And then with the other part of your ecosystem, you're tackling your business owners of the world and your CEOs of the world." }, { "end_time": "44:21", "start_time": "44:21", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "44:22", "start_time": "44:21", "text": "It's very interesting though." }, { "end_time": "44:30", "start_time": "44:22", "text": "I find it, so for a long time in my life, I did not really meet people or pitch or do the whole sales kind of thing." }, { "end_time": "44:30", "start_time": "44:30", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "44:39", "start_time": "44:32", "text": "So these people, either very very rich but b they are also very interesting because you know everybody is, has a story." }, { "end_time": "44:41", "start_time": "44:39", "text": "Everybody has a story." }, { "end_time": "44:45", "start_time": "44:41", "text": "Everybody has a ego and everybody has a perspective." }, { "end_time": "44:46", "start_time": "44:45", "text": "They are very opinionated." }, { "end_time": "44:58", "start_time": "44:48", "text": "And the fact that I did not meet that many people for so long and now suddenly in the last 18 months, I'm like forging these new relationships and meeting so many people." }, { "end_time": "45:04", "start_time": "45:00", "text": "It's, so whenever it doesn't matter who you are or what you've done." }, { "end_time": "45:11", "start_time": "45:04", "text": "When you go to somebody and you're asking them to invest their savings with you, he's gonna look upon you from a certain lens." }, { "end_time": "45:19", "start_time": "45:13", "text": "So you have to like sell the product every time and I think you learn a lot from that." }, { "end_time": "45:20", "start_time": "45:19", "text": "Even now?" }, { "end_time": "45:23", "start_time": "45:20", "text": "Like after you guys have 0 that to your credit." }, { "end_time": "45:23", "start_time": "45:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:39", "start_time": "45:23", "text": "So let me get this straight again like maybe a ultra h n i's of the nineties or eighties would take those 7 crores and probably put it in property or put it you know in something else and you've created a new option for the ultra h n i's." }, { "end_time": "45:43", "start_time": "45:39", "text": "My question is what do the ultra h n i's of India today think like?" }, { "end_time": "45:44", "start_time": "45:43", "text": "Can you can you generalize?" }, { "end_time": "45:46", "start_time": "45:44", "text": "Can you I can." }, { "end_time": "45:46", "start_time": "45:46", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "45:46", "start_time": "45:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:50", "start_time": "45:47", "text": "So the problem in India is they all do real estate heavy." }, { "end_time": "45:51", "start_time": "45:50", "text": "A." }, { "end_time": "46:03", "start_time": "45:52", "text": "And, they don't have enough diversification and a lot of money stays in their holding companies, their main businesses and they don't like, to invest in things outside of that." }, { "end_time": "46:05", "start_time": "46:04", "text": "What's the logic?" }, { "end_time": "46:06", "start_time": "46:05", "text": "Protection." }, { "end_time": "46:07", "start_time": "46:06", "text": "Like I wanna protect myself." }, { "end_time": "46:07", "start_time": "46:07", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "46:13", "start_time": "46:07", "text": "I think it's a general distrust of people outside of their own holding companies." }, { "end_time": "46:22", "start_time": "46:13", "text": "I think in large part, fund managers, mutual funds, banks, private banks are to blame." }, { "end_time": "46:23", "start_time": "46:22", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "46:28", "start_time": "46:23", "text": "Because a lot of these institutions have ripped off people over the last few decades." }, { "end_time": "46:36", "start_time": "46:29", "text": "And now these large promoters are like instead of going to them, we'll just invest in our business, less hassle, less leakage, all of that." }, { "end_time": "46:37", "start_time": "46:36", "text": "We're trying to change that." }, { "end_time": "46:41", "start_time": "46:37", "text": "At the end of the day, any business in finance is a business of credibility." }, { "end_time": "46:42", "start_time": "46:41", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "46:47", "start_time": "46:43", "text": "So the way to build it, in my opinion, is being very very transparent." }, { "end_time": "46:47", "start_time": "46:47", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "46:49", "start_time": "46:47", "text": "But it takes time." }, { "end_time": "46:55", "start_time": "46:49", "text": "So we have started now and, I don't know how long it'll take but it looks good so far." }, { "end_time": "46:57", "start_time": "46:55", "text": "In the last 2 years, the company has come a long way." }, { "end_time": "47:04", "start_time": "46:58", "text": "So again speaking about these ultra h n i's and I'm assuming that you've embraced the sales role recently." }, { "end_time": "47:05", "start_time": "47:04", "text": "Much more than you did earlier." }, { "end_time": "47:06", "start_time": "47:05", "text": "I have." }, { "end_time": "47:06", "start_time": "47:06", "text": "Am I right?" }, { "end_time": "47:06", "start_time": "47:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:07", "start_time": "47:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:09", "start_time": "47:07", "text": "What are you learning about sales?" }, { "end_time": "47:13", "start_time": "47:09", "text": "The sales concept you can learn as a billionaire founder at 34." }, { "end_time": "47:13", "start_time": "47:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:15", "start_time": "47:13", "text": "And you can also learn it as a 21 year old." }, { "end_time": "47:16", "start_time": "47:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:16", "start_time": "47:16", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:17", "start_time": "47:16", "text": "Concepts are the same." }, { "end_time": "47:18", "start_time": "47:17", "text": "It's it's very humbling." }, { "end_time": "47:23", "start_time": "47:18", "text": "So you still now I've started again going to like you know a lot of meetings in person." }, { "end_time": "47:31", "start_time": "47:24", "text": "Many times they will make you wait for half an hour or an hour and in your mind you're like, being a bit candid here." }, { "end_time": "47:34", "start_time": "47:31", "text": "You're thinking like, you know, why am I putting myself through this?" }, { "end_time": "47:50", "start_time": "47:36", "text": "But after the meeting is done and after I have seen what the company is capable of doing, I think there is a need for a product like this and, I think this company will go beyond just asset management." }, { "end_time": "47:55", "start_time": "47:51", "text": "To have a network of, say, billionaires from across the world." }, { "end_time": "48:16", "start_time": "47:55", "text": "Say you have, a Nigerian, a South Korean, American, a Indian to put them all on a platform and, help them connect with each other in a in a manner which is better than what a private bank or old school merchant bank has done up until now, I think will be extremely interesting." }, { "end_time": "48:33", "start_time": "48:17", "text": "Think of it like, because there are no bridges between these geographies, a Nigerian oil refining guy would never have thought in his wildest dreams to approach an Indian cement maker to export cement to that, country." }, { "end_time": "48:41", "start_time": "48:33", "text": "But if we can build that bridge on this platform beyond asset management, I think that will be a great ultimate goal for this company." }, { "end_time": "48:56", "start_time": "48:42", "text": "And, and information at the end of the day and knowledge is something I really, like gaining and this gives you differentiated perspective because you're talking to people in so many different sectors on everyday basis." }, { "end_time": "49:01", "start_time": "48:58", "text": "Outside of what you can read in the news, this is the best kind of knowledge you can get." }, { "end_time": "49:02", "start_time": "49:02", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "49:11", "start_time": "49:02", "text": "I'd rather learn about what is happening to cement price by being a part of this transaction, than just read about cement price in the news." }, { "end_time": "49:11", "start_time": "49:11", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "49:15", "start_time": "49:11", "text": "And I think that in turn makes me a better investor and a trader." }, { "end_time": "49:16", "start_time": "49:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:17", "start_time": "49:16", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:21", "start_time": "49:17", "text": "There's this saying, I think from the US military." }, { "end_time": "49:23", "start_time": "49:21", "text": "They say that the leader on the field is always right." }, { "end_time": "49:28", "start_time": "49:23", "text": "Which basically means that if you're in the middle of things, you have the best opinion on a subject." }, { "end_time": "49:32", "start_time": "49:29", "text": "So news might report something, but you will only know the truth when you're living through it." }, { "end_time": "49:37", "start_time": "49:32", "text": "And I also strongly believe that your greatest learnings in life come from learning to people." }, { "end_time": "49:43", "start_time": "49:38", "text": "And if you're a podcast host even better because I get to do this on a biweekly basis." }, { "end_time": "49:45", "start_time": "49:44", "text": "It makes such a big difference." }, { "end_time": "49:51", "start_time": "49:45", "text": "I did a whole like, hundreds of Zoom meetings with clients and stuff during the pandemic." }, { "end_time": "49:58", "start_time": "49:53", "text": "But, what you learn from physically meeting someone and talking about whatever." }, { "end_time": "49:59", "start_time": "49:58", "text": "It could be about the industry." }, { "end_time": "50:02", "start_time": "50:00", "text": "You can never replicate that on a Zoom call." }, { "end_time": "50:03", "start_time": "50:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "50:07", "start_time": "50:03", "text": "Which is why you dropping out may not have been bad for you." }, { "end_time": "50:08", "start_time": "50:07", "text": "I mean, again, I I hear you." }, { "end_time": "50:10", "start_time": "50:08", "text": "I hear what you're saying about not everyone should drop off." }, { "end_time": "50:18", "start_time": "50:10", "text": "But as long as you have that urge to learn and as long as you ask the right questions, there's nothing that can stop you from a well rounded education in life." }, { "end_time": "50:21", "start_time": "50:18", "text": "And education is not just limited to college degrees and books." }, { "end_time": "50:22", "start_time": "50:21", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "50:26", "start_time": "50:22", "text": "Education is about your own hunger and your willingness and your humility to learn." }, { "end_time": "50:26", "start_time": "50:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "50:26", "start_time": "50:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "50:30", "start_time": "50:26", "text": "I think if if I had to like say one thing." }, { "end_time": "50:32", "start_time": "50:30", "text": "I just thought of it like right now when we were talking." }, { "end_time": "50:42", "start_time": "50:33", "text": "Which makes me a little bit better trader than others is my ability to deal with things logically when shit hits the roof, you know." }, { "end_time": "50:46", "start_time": "50:42", "text": "Like, when there is chaos and things are going bad." }, { "end_time": "50:49", "start_time": "50:46", "text": "I think I'm able to compartmentalize a little bit better." }, { "end_time": "50:49", "start_time": "50:49", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "50:56", "start_time": "50:49", "text": "And remain calm and rational and make, the logical decision versus the emotional one." }, { "end_time": "50:59", "start_time": "50:56", "text": "I think that's important in investing by trading." }, { "end_time": "51:04", "start_time": "51:00", "text": "As with any YouTube podcast I've got to make the self obsessed about myself now." }, { "end_time": "51:04", "start_time": "51:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "51:09", "start_time": "51:05", "text": "So, I'm I'm in a pretty chaotic mode in life." }, { "end_time": "51:10", "start_time": "51:09", "text": "That's why I asked you the question yesterday." }, { "end_time": "51:12", "start_time": "51:10", "text": "Yesterday I asked you what were you like at 27?" }, { "end_time": "51:12", "start_time": "51:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "51:15", "start_time": "51:12", "text": "Possibly to understand the reference point for myself." }, { "end_time": "51:19", "start_time": "51:15", "text": "Was there a lot of chaos in your twenties when you guys were building 0?" }, { "end_time": "51:19", "start_time": "51:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "51:21", "start_time": "51:19", "text": "I mean, trading is always chaos." }, { "end_time": "51:27", "start_time": "51:22", "text": "It's by design because things happen like this pandemic forget 27." }, { "end_time": "51:29", "start_time": "51:27", "text": "In March was chaos." }, { "end_time": "51:29", "start_time": "51:29", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "51:32", "start_time": "51:29", "text": "Like markets fell But why was it chaos for you guys if okay." }, { "end_time": "51:33", "start_time": "51:32", "text": "With with the markets falling." }, { "end_time": "51:34", "start_time": "51:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "51:38", "start_time": "51:34", "text": "But with your when you have a tech product, things are just different man." }, { "end_time": "51:39", "start_time": "51:38", "text": "Even for a tech product." }, { "end_time": "51:40", "start_time": "51:39", "text": "See." }, { "end_time": "51:46", "start_time": "51:40", "text": "We are typically used to a day where the market either goes up half a percent or 1%." }, { "end_time": "51:48", "start_time": "51:46", "text": "And down half a percent and 1%." }, { "end_time": "51:52", "start_time": "51:48", "text": "And that in turn leads to say x 1000000 transactions a day." }, { "end_time": "51:59", "start_time": "51:52", "text": "On a day when the markets fall 10% or 15%, the number of transactions will be like 5 fold." }, { "end_time": "51:59", "start_time": "51:59", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "52:01", "start_time": "52:00", "text": "And everything changes." }, { "end_time": "52:01", "start_time": "52:01", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "52:05", "start_time": "52:01", "text": "Like how you service each transaction, the amount of time, the load on everything." }, { "end_time": "52:19", "start_time": "52:06", "text": "So it gets very chaotic and the flip side of scale is if we have like a minute downtime now like, you know, so relative to every other broker out there, all of our peers." }, { "end_time": "52:25", "start_time": "52:19", "text": "If you were to like put the amount of downtime each one has had, we would definitely be on top." }, { "end_time": "52:27", "start_time": "52:25", "text": "We probably had the least amount of downtime." }, { "end_time": "52:32", "start_time": "52:27", "text": "But even then if you have one minute, things like spiral out of control now." }, { "end_time": "52:34", "start_time": "52:32", "text": "You know, every journalist will start calling you." }, { "end_time": "52:38", "start_time": "52:34", "text": "They'll start talking about it in CNBC, and I'm talking about like one minute." }, { "end_time": "52:39", "start_time": "52:38", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "52:44", "start_time": "52:39", "text": "So, the market volatility in turn leads to all kinds of volatility." }, { "end_time": "52:45", "start_time": "52:44", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "52:45", "start_time": "52:45", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "52:50", "start_time": "52:46", "text": "Even when you select a finance career, you're at the mercy of the market." }, { "end_time": "52:56", "start_time": "52:50", "text": "Whatever's happening in it will have a effect on your whole organization right to the bottom." }, { "end_time": "52:57", "start_time": "52:56", "text": "That's insane." }, { "end_time": "53:02", "start_time": "52:58", "text": "But again like what happened through the pandemic?" }, { "end_time": "53:03", "start_time": "53:02", "text": "Did you guys know what you're in?" }, { "end_time": "53:06", "start_time": "53:03", "text": "Because the pandemic is where zerodha honestly really exploded." }, { "end_time": "53:07", "start_time": "53:06", "text": "It was always there." }, { "end_time": "53:08", "start_time": "53:07", "text": "It was always growing." }, { "end_time": "53:11", "start_time": "53:08", "text": "But the pandemic is where things just went through the roof." }, { "end_time": "53:12", "start_time": "53:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "53:22", "start_time": "53:12", "text": "So I think we we kinda like can factor 2 or 3 big reasons as to why so many more people started trading." }, { "end_time": "53:22", "start_time": "53:22", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "53:28", "start_time": "53:22", "text": "You know people were at home, they had more time at hand, always wanted to trade, Didn't have the time." }, { "end_time": "53:29", "start_time": "53:28", "text": "Now they have it." }, { "end_time": "53:31", "start_time": "53:29", "text": "Interest rate cycles coming down." }, { "end_time": "53:36", "start_time": "53:32", "text": "Largely plateauing real estate sector for a long time." }, { "end_time": "53:36", "start_time": "53:36", "text": "Like in India." }, { "end_time": "53:37", "start_time": "53:36", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "53:39", "start_time": "53:38", "text": "Residential real estate." }, { "end_time": "53:45", "start_time": "53:39", "text": "If you rent a home, if you buy a home and rent it, you probably get about 2a half 3%." }, { "end_time": "53:52", "start_time": "53:45", "text": "And the capital appreciation which happened in the nineties and early 2000, we have not seen in a long time." }, { "end_time": "54:09", "start_time": "53:53", "text": "So people are coming to terms with the fact that when I invest money in residential real estate, a, the odds of it increasing in value 10% a year is no longer true and 2 3% is not really a return which even matches inflation." }, { "end_time": "54:14", "start_time": "54:09", "text": "So they have to like look outside of real estate and bank f d's to retain wealth." }, { "end_time": "54:15", "start_time": "54:15", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "54:16", "start_time": "54:15", "text": "Against inflation." }, { "end_time": "54:18", "start_time": "54:16", "text": "Not even make more money." }, { "end_time": "54:23", "start_time": "54:19", "text": "So that definitely played a part in why all these people are coming into the stock market." }, { "end_time": "54:33", "start_time": "54:24", "text": "But I think outside of all of that, like, volatility, it it gets translated into news and noise." }, { "end_time": "54:34", "start_time": "54:34", "text": "Uh-huh." }, { "end_time": "54:37", "start_time": "54:34", "text": "News and noise in turn, translate to more people." }, { "end_time": "54:40", "start_time": "54:37", "text": "You know, hearing that there is something going on in the stock market." }, { "end_time": "54:43", "start_time": "54:41", "text": "And I think subconsciously you're attracted towards it." }, { "end_time": "54:43", "start_time": "54:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "54:45", "start_time": "54:43", "text": "Which is what is happening with crypto." }, { "end_time": "54:45", "start_time": "54:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "54:48", "start_time": "54:45", "text": "I have to ask you a little bit about crypto." }, { "end_time": "54:48", "start_time": "54:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "54:55", "start_time": "54:48", "text": "Before we get to the crypto question, the pre goes a question to that is, a 22 year old of today or 23 year old of today." }, { "end_time": "55:01", "start_time": "54:55", "text": "That guy has an intention of being rich for lack of a better word." }, { "end_time": "55:05", "start_time": "55:01", "text": "What should his financial decisions right now be according to you?" }, { "end_time": "55:09", "start_time": "55:05", "text": "And considering that not everyone is drawn to the stock market as much as you are." }, { "end_time": "55:09", "start_time": "55:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "55:10", "start_time": "55:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "55:15", "start_time": "55:12", "text": "22 year old, let's say earning 50,000 rupees a month." }, { "end_time": "55:16", "start_time": "55:16", "text": "Maybe less so." }, { "end_time": "55:18", "start_time": "55:16", "text": "20,000, 30,000." }, { "end_time": "55:19", "start_time": "55:18", "text": "20,000 rupees a month." }, { "end_time": "55:21", "start_time": "55:19", "text": "And you're saving say about 15." }, { "end_time": "55:22", "start_time": "55:21", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "55:24", "start_time": "55:22", "text": "You're earning 20 and saving 15?" }, { "end_time": "55:25", "start_time": "55:25", "text": "You're earning 30?" }, { "end_time": "55:27", "start_time": "55:26", "text": "Saving 15." }, { "end_time": "55:30", "start_time": "55:27", "text": "I mean you have to be a very frugal 22 year old." }, { "end_time": "55:32", "start_time": "55:30", "text": "I doubt very many are doing that." }, { "end_time": "55:36", "start_time": "55:32", "text": "Or or you take advantage of remote work and just work from where you are." }, { "end_time": "55:36", "start_time": "55:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "55:41", "start_time": "55:37", "text": "Work on your skill set and probably save money by staying at home." }, { "end_time": "55:42", "start_time": "55:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "55:47", "start_time": "55:42", "text": "I think I think, at 22 your appetite for risk should be larger." }, { "end_time": "55:55", "start_time": "55:48", "text": "So I think spend money on yourself." }, { "end_time": "56:01", "start_time": "55:55", "text": "This is one thing I have realized with time and my experiences in my personal life." }, { "end_time": "56:15", "start_time": "56:02", "text": "Take that 15,000 and spend it towards learning a skill or training yourself to be better that's probably the best way with the highest odds of getting rich." }, { "end_time": "56:19", "start_time": "56:15", "text": "Because once you accumulated that many skills and probably when you're 28 or 29." }, { "end_time": "56:20", "start_time": "56:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "56:24", "start_time": "56:20", "text": "You'll be so much more desirable and a lot more people will pay you a lot more." }, { "end_time": "56:30", "start_time": "56:24", "text": "I would in fact say if you're earning 20,000 and you can save 5,000 rupees a month in a bank." }, { "end_time": "56:34", "start_time": "56:31", "text": "That 5,000 is probably better spent learning that skill." }, { "end_time": "56:37", "start_time": "56:34", "text": "So you can move from 20,000 to 50,000." }, { "end_time": "56:38", "start_time": "56:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "56:45", "start_time": "56:38", "text": "I think that's why I and you know what the issue with at least and this this wasn't really an issue with 22 year old when I was 22." }, { "end_time": "56:51", "start_time": "56:46", "text": "I feel like all of us had that little bit of patience and like long sightedness." }, { "end_time": "56:54", "start_time": "56:51", "text": "I feel 22, 23 year olds of today are not patient." }, { "end_time": "56:55", "start_time": "56:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "56:57", "start_time": "56:55", "text": "And I'm I'm saying that like some dadas you do." }, { "end_time": "57:01", "start_time": "56:57", "text": "I'm just like 5 years older but, I feel like they're a different generation." }, { "end_time": "57:02", "start_time": "57:01", "text": "They think differently." }, { "end_time": "57:03", "start_time": "57:02", "text": "They're way smarter." }, { "end_time": "57:07", "start_time": "57:03", "text": "But that smartness is flip side is a serious lack of patience." }, { "end_time": "57:09", "start_time": "57:07", "text": "They want everything now." }, { "end_time": "57:14", "start_time": "57:09", "text": "Without understanding that you have to prove yourself, you have to earn your stripes, you have to start at the bottom, you have to learn a lot." }, { "end_time": "57:14", "start_time": "57:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "57:16", "start_time": "57:14", "text": "And then there'll be an explosion later." }, { "end_time": "57:16", "start_time": "57:16", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "57:18", "start_time": "57:16", "text": "But keep at it, man." }, { "end_time": "57:18", "start_time": "57:18", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "57:37", "start_time": "57:18", "text": "I think I think one big advice to 22, 23 year olds, especially in the whole entrepreneur ecosystem is spend as much time as you would on, you know, trying to, like, figure out what problem you want to solve on pick on picking which industry you want that problem to be in." }, { "end_time": "57:38", "start_time": "57:37", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "57:41", "start_time": "57:38", "text": "You never want to be swimming against the tide." }, { "end_time": "57:48", "start_time": "57:41", "text": "So pick a sector and industry that is a growing and looks like it will continue to grow in the next 10 years." }, { "end_time": "57:50", "start_time": "57:49", "text": "Like, I'll give you an example." }, { "end_time": "57:58", "start_time": "57:50", "text": "I think people who are doing anything in Fintech or broking or finance right now probably are in the right place." }, { "end_time": "58:06", "start_time": "57:58", "text": "Because in the population of India, only about 2 3 percent of our country has direct to indirect access to financial markets." }, { "end_time": "58:11", "start_time": "58:07", "text": "While that number is maybe 95% in America or something like that." }, { "end_time": "58:13", "start_time": "58:12", "text": "So this population will grow." }, { "end_time": "58:18", "start_time": "58:15", "text": "So definitely spend a lot of time picking the right sector." }, { "end_time": "58:27", "start_time": "58:19", "text": "Like, if you're in the if you're a young, 22 year old boy trying to start something in the mobile wallet space, it's no longer relevant." }, { "end_time": "58:30", "start_time": "58:27", "text": "Because you know that industry is on its way down." }, { "end_time": "58:30", "start_time": "58:30", "text": "Really?" }, { "end_time": "58:31", "start_time": "58:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "58:33", "start_time": "58:31", "text": "Like what like what's this logic?" }, { "end_time": "58:37", "start_time": "58:34", "text": "I think UPI killed the use case for mobile wallets." }, { "end_time": "58:37", "start_time": "58:37", "text": "Structurally." }, { "end_time": "58:40", "start_time": "58:38", "text": "And okay, crypto." }, { "end_time": "58:41", "start_time": "58:40", "text": "We gotta talk about this." }, { "end_time": "58:44", "start_time": "58:41", "text": "This is one of the most common questions we get." }, { "end_time": "58:44", "start_time": "58:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "58:47", "start_time": "58:44", "text": "After this section, we'll take some of the Twitter questions that came in for you." }, { "end_time": "58:47", "start_time": "58:47", "text": "There was a bunch." }, { "end_time": "58:48", "start_time": "58:47", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "58:50", "start_time": "58:48", "text": "Like sort of a rapid fire." }, { "end_time": "58:50", "start_time": "58:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "58:53", "start_time": "58:50", "text": "But, let's talk about crypto a little bit." }, { "end_time": "58:57", "start_time": "58:53", "text": "Like, what is your someone who studies money and the behavior of money inside of." }, { "end_time": "59:00", "start_time": "58:58", "text": "What is crypto, for you?" }, { "end_time": "59:03", "start_time": "59:00", "text": "I'm not asking you the technical definition of it." }, { "end_time": "59:06", "start_time": "59:03", "text": "Do you see it as an opportunity to grow your money?" }, { "end_time": "59:07", "start_time": "59:06", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "59:09", "start_time": "59:07", "text": "As a consumer, like, would you put your own money into crypto?" }, { "end_time": "59:10", "start_time": "59:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "59:15", "start_time": "59:11", "text": "So let me preface and say I'm I'm no real expert on crypto." }, { "end_time": "59:17", "start_time": "59:15", "text": "I personally do not have any." }, { "end_time": "59:21", "start_time": "59:17", "text": "I don't have any of the popular cryptocurrencies available out there." }, { "end_time": "59:25", "start_time": "59:23", "text": "So when you think of currency, right?" }, { "end_time": "59:29", "start_time": "59:26", "text": "What is currency essentially is government debt?" }, { "end_time": "59:34", "start_time": "59:30", "text": "Can you explain it in terms of Nikhil gave Ranve 10 rupees?" }, { "end_time": "59:35", "start_time": "59:34", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "59:47", "start_time": "59:37", "text": "So when I give you 10 rupees what that note denotes is if you take that note to the reserve bank in our country they will give you something of a certain value." }, { "end_time": "59:50", "start_time": "59:47", "text": "That notional value is that 10 rupees." }, { "end_time": "1:00:08", "start_time": "59:51", "text": "Now, government debt and, let's leave rupee out of it and let's talk about the dollar because in many ways that kinda, is the currency of the world and that in turn kinda makes rupee be worth x and, the euro be worth y." }, { "end_time": "1:00:19", "start_time": "1:00:09", "text": "So back in the day when you took a dollar to the federal reserve in America, they would give you the amount of gold and that gold give value to the dollar." }, { "end_time": "1:00:19", "start_time": "1:00:19", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:00:23", "start_time": "1:00:20", "text": "The gold standard got removed at a certain point." }, { "end_time": "1:00:25", "start_time": "1:00:23", "text": "I think it was Richard Nixon who removed it." }, { "end_time": "1:00:25", "start_time": "1:00:25", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:00:32", "start_time": "1:00:25", "text": "And then we had another system, the Bretton Woods system, where every other global currency was pegged to the dollar." }, { "end_time": "1:00:33", "start_time": "1:00:32", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:00:40", "start_time": "1:00:33", "text": "So they said we will no longer give you gold and, if the dollar is at 50 rupees, you can, go down to as low as 45." }, { "end_time": "1:00:43", "start_time": "1:00:41", "text": "You can go up as high as 55." }, { "end_time": "1:00:46", "start_time": "1:00:43", "text": "But you will trade in that range relative to the dollar." }, { "end_time": "1:00:56", "start_time": "1:00:48", "text": "That changed and, now we're in an ecosystem, where the American government has been printing a lot of money." }, { "end_time": "1:01:05", "start_time": "1:00:57", "text": "So if you were to look at the average amount of money they print, I might not be exactly right here, but it used to be something like half a $1,000,000,000,000 a year." }, { "end_time": "1:01:09", "start_time": "1:01:05", "text": "Over the last decade it became a $1,000,000,000,000 a year." }, { "end_time": "1:01:09", "start_time": "1:01:09", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:01:11", "start_time": "1:01:09", "text": "I think now it's something like 5,000,000,000,000." }, { "end_time": "1:01:15", "start_time": "1:01:12", "text": "That's the amount of money they have printed in the last one year." }, { "end_time": "1:01:16", "start_time": "1:01:15", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:01:21", "start_time": "1:01:16", "text": "Logically, if there is more supply of something, the value of that should go down." }, { "end_time": "1:01:35", "start_time": "1:01:21", "text": "But the value of the US dollar is not going down because a lot of the countries outside of America hold a lot of American debt, and the value of that debt would come down if the value of the dollar were to go down as well." }, { "end_time": "1:01:39", "start_time": "1:01:35", "text": "Basically, other countries have a hold of dollars which they've kept themselves." }, { "end_time": "1:01:39", "start_time": "1:01:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:01:40", "start_time": "1:01:39", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:01:40", "start_time": "1:01:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:01:46", "start_time": "1:01:40", "text": "So there are many use cases as to why the US dollar is relevant and we all benefit." }, { "end_time": "1:01:48", "start_time": "1:01:46", "text": "Like, take India for example." }, { "end_time": "1:01:50", "start_time": "1:01:48", "text": "Where we we export a lot of services." }, { "end_time": "1:01:50", "start_time": "1:01:50", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:56", "start_time": "1:01:50", "text": "If the dollar depreciates by a lot, our IT companies will no longer remain relevant." }, { "end_time": "1:01:56", "start_time": "1:01:56", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:02:05", "start_time": "1:01:56", "text": "So there are many many like you know tiny equations here and it makes sense for the world to have the US dollar be where it is right now and it's working for everybody." }, { "end_time": "1:02:26", "start_time": "1:02:07", "text": "Now, if they continue to print money in the manner that they are, at some point in the future it would be logical and plausible to think that they will be, you know, many people who will question why is the US dollar still holding this much value when there is so much of it available in the world." }, { "end_time": "1:02:27", "start_time": "1:02:26", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:02:31", "start_time": "1:02:27", "text": "When that happens, cryptos will become a lot more relevant." }, { "end_time": "1:02:37", "start_time": "1:02:31", "text": "Because people will stop trusting governments with the currency that the government is providing them." }, { "end_time": "1:02:41", "start_time": "1:02:38", "text": "I see crypto to have a used coin at that point." }, { "end_time": "1:02:43", "start_time": "1:02:42", "text": "Which is how far according to you?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:44", "start_time": "1:02:43", "text": "20 years?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:48", "start_time": "1:02:44", "text": "Very very hard to call, but I would say much sooner than 20 years." }, { "end_time": "1:02:55", "start_time": "1:02:49", "text": "And, on the flip side, the problem with crypto is it's not good for governments." }, { "end_time": "1:03:15", "start_time": "1:02:55", "text": "We had that silk root issue, where they were selling all kind of stuff online and and the fact that a currency which is not really regulated in any manner is attempting to challenge the global currencies we have today will not be looked upon fondly by governments everywhere." }, { "end_time": "1:03:19", "start_time": "1:03:15", "text": "Because you're taking away control from the government to a large extent." }, { "end_time": "1:03:25", "start_time": "1:03:20", "text": "And governments, I think, will make it harder for bitcoin or any of these cryptocurrencies to grow." }, { "end_time": "1:03:33", "start_time": "1:03:25", "text": "All this being said, a currency which is that volatile, is not essentially a currency." }, { "end_time": "1:03:40", "start_time": "1:03:33", "text": "If I told you the 10 rupee note you were talking about earlier, bought you, apple today." }, { "end_time": "1:03:43", "start_time": "1:03:40", "text": "Tomorrow you could go buy a car with that same 10 rupees." }, { "end_time": "1:03:47", "start_time": "1:03:43", "text": "Day after tomorrow you can't even buy a chocolate with that 10 rupees." }, { "end_time": "1:03:49", "start_time": "1:03:47", "text": "You would not want to hold that 10 rupees." }, { "end_time": "1:03:49", "start_time": "1:03:49", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:55", "start_time": "1:03:49", "text": "And not not hold it in the sense that you would not want your entire wealth to be sitting there." }, { "end_time": "1:04:00", "start_time": "1:03:55", "text": "So it'll be interesting to watch what happens with cryptos going forward." }, { "end_time": "1:04:11", "start_time": "1:04:00", "text": "But I think it'll be a fight which the government will fight against crypto across the world, but they will be weakened in that fight if they continue to print money the way they are today." }, { "end_time": "1:04:12", "start_time": "1:04:11", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:04:13", "start_time": "1:04:12", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "1:04:23", "start_time": "1:04:13", "text": "Would you invest money in crypto in the next 2 or 3 years because that's the trend right now especially the world of Twitter is overtaken by cryptocurrency in general." }, { "end_time": "1:04:24", "start_time": "1:04:23", "text": "Bitcoin in general." }, { "end_time": "1:04:25", "start_time": "1:04:24", "text": "Ethereum in general." }, { "end_time": "1:04:27", "start_time": "1:04:26", "text": "Are you intrigued?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:30", "start_time": "1:04:27", "text": "Would you put some money just and park it and leave it?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:34", "start_time": "1:04:30", "text": "If I had to go back in time and buy one thing, I think it would be crypto." }, { "end_time": "1:04:36", "start_time": "1:04:34", "text": "Just because of how much it has appreciated." }, { "end_time": "1:04:39", "start_time": "1:04:37", "text": "But will I buy today?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:40", "start_time": "1:04:39", "text": "Probably not." }, { "end_time": "1:04:50", "start_time": "1:04:40", "text": "I think for the reasons I mentioned earlier, I think it is not just fairly but maybe overpriced considering all that is happening in the world today." }, { "end_time": "1:04:52", "start_time": "1:04:50", "text": "And that it can drop at any point." }, { "end_time": "1:04:52", "start_time": "1:04:52", "text": "It can." }, { "end_time": "1:04:52", "start_time": "1:04:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:04:53", "start_time": "1:04:52", "text": "Totally." }, { "end_time": "1:04:57", "start_time": "1:04:53", "text": "I think, the Indian government, I don't know, when was this 2018?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:04", "start_time": "1:04:58", "text": "They put out the regulation that banks can't do business with, banks can't do anything with crypto, right?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:08", "start_time": "1:05:04", "text": "And then all the local exchanges we had here had to shut down and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "1:05:14", "start_time": "1:05:08", "text": "I think they've gotten a stay from, the supreme court or high court against that mandate." }, { "end_time": "1:05:19", "start_time": "1:05:14", "text": "But the government has still not kinda said people in India should do crypto." }, { "end_time": "1:05:19", "start_time": "1:05:19", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:05:26", "start_time": "1:05:20", "text": "But if this happens in something like America, we don't know what the new government thinks about crypto because they've only been in office a short while." }, { "end_time": "1:05:33", "start_time": "1:05:28", "text": "But if they come and they go against crypto, I think it could fall 50% in a day." }, { "end_time": "1:05:34", "start_time": "1:05:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:05:34", "start_time": "1:05:34", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "1:05:34", "start_time": "1:05:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:05:38", "start_time": "1:05:34", "text": "So it depends a lot on these factors which are completely out of your control." }, { "end_time": "1:05:38", "start_time": "1:05:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:05:44", "start_time": "1:05:40", "text": "You know, your brother recommended Sapiens to me." }, { "end_time": "1:05:46", "start_time": "1:05:44", "text": "I was reading the 3rd book by you all at that point." }, { "end_time": "1:05:56", "start_time": "1:05:46", "text": "And Sapiens taught me a lot about the concept of fictions around us, which basic and then again, you all know Harari is a big character on this podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:05:58", "start_time": "1:05:56", "text": "Though I spent the whole year reading all his books." }, { "end_time": "1:05:59", "start_time": "1:05:58", "text": "Just opened up my mind." }, { "end_time": "1:06:00", "start_time": "1:05:59", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:06:05", "start_time": "1:06:00", "text": "Anyway, coming back to fiction, he basically said that that 10 rupee note is a fiction." }, { "end_time": "1:06:06", "start_time": "1:06:05", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:06:08", "start_time": "1:06:06", "text": "You owning your house Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:06:11", "start_time": "1:06:09", "text": "And signing a document is a fiction." }, { "end_time": "1:06:16", "start_time": "1:06:11", "text": "Who decided that a document, a piece of paper can decide that Nicky loans a particular house or Anil owns a particular house?" }, { "end_time": "1:06:17", "start_time": "1:06:16", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:06:21", "start_time": "1:06:17", "text": "Who decided that, the jacket you're wearing should be priced at so much." }, { "end_time": "1:06:23", "start_time": "1:06:21", "text": "So we are in a world surrounded by fictions." }, { "end_time": "1:06:24", "start_time": "1:06:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:06:28", "start_time": "1:06:24", "text": "Then he goes on to say that the concept of patriotism is also possibly a fiction." }, { "end_time": "1:06:28", "start_time": "1:06:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:06:37", "start_time": "1:06:28", "text": "Whenever you wanna control a very large group of people, you create a story around something which will inspire them or create an emotion within them." }, { "end_time": "1:06:37", "start_time": "1:06:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:06:42", "start_time": "1:06:37", "text": "And therefore who decided that governments should control the country?" }, { "end_time": "1:06:45", "start_time": "1:06:42", "text": "I mean this is like a very anarchist style conversation." }, { "end_time": "1:06:46", "start_time": "1:06:45", "text": "I completely agree with you." }, { "end_time": "1:07:00", "start_time": "1:06:46", "text": "I, I don't know how, I don't know who the audience is and I don't know how this will be taken, but, patriotism in its truest sense has lost a lot of relevance in today's world." }, { "end_time": "1:07:02", "start_time": "1:07:01", "text": "Because of globalization?" }, { "end_time": "1:07:12", "start_time": "1:07:03", "text": "Because of globalization, because of nuclear weapons, because, a full war between 2 large countries is no longer relevant." }, { "end_time": "1:07:20", "start_time": "1:07:13", "text": "And, I think the world would financially and economically be a lot better if not for patriotism." }, { "end_time": "1:07:25", "start_time": "1:07:20", "text": "Like we sell patriotism, patriotism in India but we are not as bad as the Americans." }, { "end_time": "1:07:28", "start_time": "1:07:25", "text": "If you go to America you'll find a flag in front of every third house, you know." }, { "end_time": "1:07:46", "start_time": "1:07:29", "text": "If the world were not to have borders, if it were not to have distinction based on, you know, all the stupid things we distinguish people based on, I think the quality of life of the entire world, the access to resources would go up." }, { "end_time": "1:07:52", "start_time": "1:07:46", "text": "Like, the world today produces maybe 7 times how much food as the world requires today." }, { "end_time": "1:07:53", "start_time": "1:07:52", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:07:57", "start_time": "1:07:53", "text": "But we still have people dying of starvation and we have climate change issues." }, { "end_time": "1:07:58", "start_time": "1:07:57", "text": "We have so many things." }, { "end_time": "1:08:03", "start_time": "1:08:00", "text": "That will be helped by a less patriotic world." }, { "end_time": "1:08:03", "start_time": "1:08:03", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:08:10", "start_time": "1:08:03", "text": "But you and you know the thing is because patriotism as a concept has been around for so long and I believe it's very good to love your own culture." }, { "end_time": "1:08:13", "start_time": "1:08:10", "text": "Like if you've been born in a particular culture embrace it." }, { "end_time": "1:08:17", "start_time": "1:08:14", "text": "Embrace everything that your country's culture stands for." }, { "end_time": "1:08:25", "start_time": "1:08:17", "text": "But if, patriotism is something that can get you to hit someone else or to attack someone else in any way emotionally." }, { "end_time": "1:08:26", "start_time": "1:08:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:08:28", "start_time": "1:08:26", "text": "Write a hate comment on the posts." }, { "end_time": "1:08:31", "start_time": "1:08:28", "text": "Then you gotta ask questions to yourself." }, { "end_time": "1:08:32", "start_time": "1:08:31", "text": "I totally agree." }, { "end_time": "1:08:34", "start_time": "1:08:32", "text": "I agree with embrace your culture." }, { "end_time": "1:08:36", "start_time": "1:08:34", "text": "I don't think you should fight for your culture." }, { "end_time": "1:09:00", "start_time": "1:08:36", "text": "If something is dying a natural death or if something is progressing or transgressing into something else naturally because the world is moving in that direction, I think we as humans are too small, and I think it would be very bigoted in a way to think that we can change that and retain something which is naturally fading away." }, { "end_time": "1:09:00", "start_time": "1:09:00", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:09:03", "start_time": "1:09:00", "text": "I think we have to be more accepting to change." }, { "end_time": "1:09:08", "start_time": "1:09:03", "text": "Not just in, religion, politics, even in companies." }, { "end_time": "1:09:08", "start_time": "1:09:08", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:10", "start_time": "1:09:08", "text": "Things change all the time." }, { "end_time": "1:09:18", "start_time": "1:09:10", "text": "The sooner you're willing to adapt, the sooner you're willing to embrace change, I think the more the more relevant you stay for longer as a company." }, { "end_time": "1:09:20", "start_time": "1:09:18", "text": "Does sport add anything to your business, kareo?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:21", "start_time": "1:09:21", "text": "I don't think so." }, { "end_time": "1:09:31", "start_time": "1:09:21", "text": "I mean, to be physically fit is very relevant because, if you walk into work not feeling physically fit, it it affects you mentally." }, { "end_time": "1:09:32", "start_time": "1:09:31", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:09:36", "start_time": "1:09:32", "text": "But outside of that, I think I used to be competitive at some point." }, { "end_time": "1:09:44", "start_time": "1:09:36", "text": "I think with time I have become more and more, like, less inclined to be, you know, very competitive and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "1:09:46", "start_time": "1:09:44", "text": "Did the stoicism kind of Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:09:46", "start_time": "1:09:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:09:46", "start_time": "1:09:46", "text": "Back there." }, { "end_time": "1:09:47", "start_time": "1:09:46", "text": "Oh, okay." }, { "end_time": "1:09:50", "start_time": "1:09:47", "text": "I think I'm in a very chilled out phase right now." }, { "end_time": "1:09:55", "start_time": "1:09:51", "text": "Well, you know when you realize this like new year's happened this year, right?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:58", "start_time": "1:09:55", "text": "And I was like what is the goal for next year?" }, { "end_time": "1:10:03", "start_time": "1:09:58", "text": "To me I had like simple things like sleep for 8 hours a day and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "1:10:07", "start_time": "1:10:03", "text": "That I think genuinely means I'm becoming less competitive." }, { "end_time": "1:10:07", "start_time": "1:10:07", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:10:10", "start_time": "1:10:08", "text": "And, yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:10:11", "start_time": "1:10:10", "text": "It'll be interesting though." }, { "end_time": "1:10:12", "start_time": "1:10:11", "text": "I I hope it's cyclical." }, { "end_time": "1:10:20", "start_time": "1:10:12", "text": "You know, you become less competitive and then you wake up one day and get drive and, when when you got to sign all those ultra h n i's." }, { "end_time": "1:10:20", "start_time": "1:10:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:10:21", "start_time": "1:10:20", "text": "Oh my god." }, { "end_time": "1:10:23", "start_time": "1:10:21", "text": "Get get competitive about it." }, { "end_time": "1:10:23", "start_time": "1:10:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:10:24", "start_time": "1:10:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:10:24", "start_time": "1:10:24", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:10:31", "start_time": "1:10:24", "text": "So we are I won't say near the end of the podcast because knowing the chemistry I have with you, I think I'm gonna take you to many more places." }, { "end_time": "1:10:35", "start_time": "1:10:31", "text": "But I've decided to include 2 sections, in every podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:10:42", "start_time": "1:10:35", "text": "One of which is the rapid fire from Twitter where, listeners of the podcast send in questions for you." }, { "end_time": "1:10:47", "start_time": "1:10:42", "text": "And the second one is, possibly a few deeper conversations on life in general." }, { "end_time": "1:10:57", "start_time": "1:10:47", "text": "So I asked Twitter, Jantha, that if you had to ask one of India's youngest billionaires, Nikhil Kamath of zerodha, any kind of question what would you ask him?" }, { "end_time": "1:11:00", "start_time": "1:10:57", "text": "Firstly Ramesh Mishra asks ask if he can fund my startup." }, { "end_time": "1:11:09", "start_time": "1:11:00", "text": "I need to start dairy farm and organic farming in my hometown where my lands of my forefathers are lying idle and here I'm struggling to make ends meet." }, { "end_time": "1:11:15", "start_time": "1:11:10", "text": "Many cases a business can be started without external funding and it's farming." }, { "end_time": "1:11:17", "start_time": "1:11:15", "text": "I'm guessing you can get that capital locally." }, { "end_time": "1:11:22", "start_time": "1:11:18", "text": "You know, because you're in the world of finance, you have to study multiple kinds of industries." }, { "end_time": "1:11:22", "start_time": "1:11:22", "text": "Uh-huh." }, { "end_time": "1:11:24", "start_time": "1:11:22", "text": "What is the future of agriculture in general?" }, { "end_time": "1:11:26", "start_time": "1:11:24", "text": "Because I hear so many mixed opinions." }, { "end_time": "1:11:26", "start_time": "1:11:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:11:28", "start_time": "1:11:26", "text": "From people actually been in it." }, { "end_time": "1:11:29", "start_time": "1:11:28", "text": "They say that there's a lot of potential." }, { "end_time": "1:11:35", "start_time": "1:11:29", "text": "I speak to a business course like Vivek Bindra, and he says I know the margins in that industry are now are not that happy." }, { "end_time": "1:11:36", "start_time": "1:11:35", "text": "What's your perspective?" }, { "end_time": "1:11:42", "start_time": "1:11:36", "text": "I'm no expert here, but if I had to wager a guess, I would say aggregation is the way forward." }, { "end_time": "1:11:46", "start_time": "1:11:43", "text": "A lot of what the government is doing also seems to be hinting at that." }, { "end_time": "1:11:47", "start_time": "1:11:46", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:11:55", "start_time": "1:11:47", "text": "So we might, we might have a world where we have fewer farms but much larger and a lot more organized." }, { "end_time": "1:12:03", "start_time": "1:11:57", "text": "They'll create a all new problem what the farmers of today will do and we'll have to as a government, I think preempt it." }, { "end_time": "1:12:03", "start_time": "1:12:03", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:12:08", "start_time": "1:12:03", "text": "And make sure they're taken care of and they have some other avenue to move." }, { "end_time": "1:12:13", "start_time": "1:12:08", "text": "I think you asked me my goal, in about why I'm doing this and I said 20,000 jobs." }, { "end_time": "1:12:17", "start_time": "1:12:13", "text": "I for some reason something in my heart says that I have to do something for the agriculture world." }, { "end_time": "1:12:17", "start_time": "1:12:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:12:18", "start_time": "1:12:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:12:21", "start_time": "1:12:18", "text": "I discussed it with one of my guys as well who's had a past in agriculture." }, { "end_time": "1:12:22", "start_time": "1:12:21", "text": "I have an opinion here." }, { "end_time": "1:12:26", "start_time": "1:12:22", "text": "I think, there's no taxation on farm income." }, { "end_time": "1:12:26", "start_time": "1:12:26", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:12:32", "start_time": "1:12:26", "text": "I think beyond the cap, it has it has been misutilized so much in our history." }, { "end_time": "1:12:36", "start_time": "1:12:33", "text": "If a farmer is earning more than a crore a year, I think they should be income tax." }, { "end_time": "1:12:40", "start_time": "1:12:37", "text": "I think they should be taxed like other people in the country." }, { "end_time": "1:12:48", "start_time": "1:12:41", "text": "The small form farmers, of course, have to be protected and I think that change will bring, bring a lot of clarity in this ecosystem." }, { "end_time": "1:12:50", "start_time": "1:12:49", "text": "Cool." }, { "end_time": "1:12:51", "start_time": "1:12:50", "text": "Next one's a little more personal." }, { "end_time": "1:12:51", "start_time": "1:12:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:12:57", "start_time": "1:12:51", "text": "Mister Hari Haran asks, it's great seeing you doing a podcast with mister Nikhil." }, { "end_time": "1:13:03", "start_time": "1:12:57", "text": "Ask him how he takes his success after the lockdown and how he's handling it right now." }, { "end_time": "1:13:07", "start_time": "1:13:05", "text": "Why why don't you why don't you expand on the concept of success?" }, { "end_time": "1:13:10", "start_time": "1:13:07", "text": "I knowing you I don't even think you believe your success in yet." }, { "end_time": "1:13:10", "start_time": "1:13:10", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:13:11", "start_time": "1:13:10", "text": "I don't think so." }, { "end_time": "1:13:17", "start_time": "1:13:11", "text": "I think, I'm still an insecure person in many ways and That's all of us, man." }, { "end_time": "1:13:19", "start_time": "1:13:18", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:13:25", "start_time": "1:13:19", "text": "I think, I think surrounding yourself with the right people is the most important thing here." }, { "end_time": "1:13:36", "start_time": "1:13:25", "text": "I think to have people who criticize, contradict, are skeptical about everything you're doing, and, valuing their opinion is important." }, { "end_time": "1:13:39", "start_time": "1:13:36", "text": "I think you stay level headed as long as you do that." }, { "end_time": "1:13:49", "start_time": "1:13:40", "text": "The next question from the same person is what made you guys believe that your idea of starting 0 would result in success when you're always starting out?" }, { "end_time": "1:13:51", "start_time": "1:13:49", "text": "What was your initial hunch?" }, { "end_time": "1:13:54", "start_time": "1:13:53", "text": "Again, it was very organic." }, { "end_time": "1:13:57", "start_time": "1:13:54", "text": "I I don't think I'm a big fan of planning." }, { "end_time": "1:14:01", "start_time": "1:13:57", "text": "Also because I've planned many things in life and they've never really worked out." }, { "end_time": "1:14:03", "start_time": "1:14:02", "text": "So it was very organic." }, { "end_time": "1:14:07", "start_time": "1:14:03", "text": "We had a hunch that we would be successful because everybody wants to be." }, { "end_time": "1:14:13", "start_time": "1:14:07", "text": "But outside of that there was no like intelligence there or anything like that." }, { "end_time": "1:14:15", "start_time": "1:14:13", "text": "And mister Hari Aran final question." }, { "end_time": "1:14:17", "start_time": "1:14:15", "text": "Books and people that inspired you?" }, { "end_time": "1:14:20", "start_time": "1:14:18", "text": "I was reading a book which I just finished." }, { "end_time": "1:14:22", "start_time": "1:14:21", "text": "Fear of death." }, { "end_time": "1:14:25", "start_time": "1:14:24", "text": "Fear of mortality." }, { "end_time": "1:14:27", "start_time": "1:14:25", "text": "I think it's very very interesting." }, { "end_time": "1:14:28", "start_time": "1:14:27", "text": "Who's it by?" }, { "end_time": "1:14:29", "start_time": "1:14:28", "text": "The denial of death." }, { "end_time": "1:14:30", "start_time": "1:14:29", "text": "Ernest Becker." }, { "end_time": "1:14:31", "start_time": "1:14:31", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "1:14:32", "start_time": "1:14:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:14:37", "start_time": "1:14:32", "text": "So he talks about how we as humans forget that we are creatures." }, { "end_time": "1:14:40", "start_time": "1:14:38", "text": "We have a certain amount of time here." }, { "end_time": "1:14:45", "start_time": "1:14:41", "text": "And the way we live life often is like we think we're gonna be here perpetually." }, { "end_time": "1:15:02", "start_time": "1:14:47", "text": "So why is it important for me as a 34 year old guy to know that average life span is 70 and I have 35 years left and live my life according to that versus thinking I'm gonna live on for, you know, 100 of years in perpetuity." }, { "end_time": "1:15:04", "start_time": "1:15:03", "text": "It's a very subconscious thing." }, { "end_time": "1:15:06", "start_time": "1:15:04", "text": "I think we live like that and we don't realize it." }, { "end_time": "1:15:13", "start_time": "1:15:07", "text": "But when you put a finite number there, I think you become a better human being in many ways." }, { "end_time": "1:15:15", "start_time": "1:15:13", "text": "You become socially relevant." }, { "end_time": "1:15:18", "start_time": "1:15:15", "text": "The amount of greed you have goes down and all of that." }, { "end_time": "1:15:18", "start_time": "1:15:18", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:15:25", "start_time": "1:15:19", "text": "I mean I don't know why I'm referencing this but I went on ICSE school where we had some fantastic poetry taught to us." }, { "end_time": "1:15:37", "start_time": "1:15:26", "text": "And there was this poem about a Greek goddess who falls in love with a really good looking human being And she's just like enchanted by his raw sexuality and all that." }, { "end_time": "1:15:38", "start_time": "1:15:37", "text": "And all that's in a poem for kids." }, { "end_time": "1:15:39", "start_time": "1:15:38", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:15:42", "start_time": "1:15:39", "text": "She blesses him with the blessing of immortality." }, { "end_time": "1:15:43", "start_time": "1:15:43", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:15:46", "start_time": "1:15:43", "text": "But she doesn't bless him with the blessing of immortal youth." }, { "end_time": "1:15:51", "start_time": "1:15:47", "text": "So this dude becomes old, wrinkly, his body parts start falling off." }, { "end_time": "1:15:57", "start_time": "1:15:51", "text": "And the whole poem is very dark about how possibly being immortal is one of the biggest curses you can go through in life." }, { "end_time": "1:15:58", "start_time": "1:15:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:16:02", "start_time": "1:15:58", "text": "Teaching of 14 year old has changed his 14 year old perspectives, man." }, { "end_time": "1:16:04", "start_time": "1:16:02", "text": "You can record that thought in many ways." }, { "end_time": "1:16:06", "start_time": "1:16:06", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:16:14", "start_time": "1:16:06", "text": "Mister Ankit asks, as founder of India's biggest trading platform, what are the changes you guys are bringing in to pull in the youth of the country?" }, { "end_time": "1:16:20", "start_time": "1:16:14", "text": "Because even it didn't echo this thought that the youth is the big customer at Zeebodha." }, { "end_time": "1:16:20", "start_time": "1:16:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:16:22", "start_time": "1:16:20", "text": "I think education is the only way." }, { "end_time": "1:16:29", "start_time": "1:16:23", "text": "I think our system of pedagogy in India are, we teach kids for 15 years how to make money." }, { "end_time": "1:16:30", "start_time": "1:16:29", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:16:32", "start_time": "1:16:30", "text": "But we don't teach them how to manage that money." }, { "end_time": "1:16:41", "start_time": "1:16:32", "text": "I think something is missing there, and, it would be prudent for the government to add, you know, financial literacy early, like middle school." }, { "end_time": "1:16:44", "start_time": "1:16:41", "text": "I think that structurally will change things." }, { "end_time": "1:16:44", "start_time": "1:16:44", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "1:16:49", "start_time": "1:16:44", "text": "Poona masks resources for learning stocks and finance for a beginner." }, { "end_time": "1:16:51", "start_time": "1:16:49", "text": "And she also asks a very interesting second question." }, { "end_time": "1:16:56", "start_time": "1:16:52", "text": "How much finance knowledge is enough for you to begin investing in stocks?" }, { "end_time": "1:16:57", "start_time": "1:16:57", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:16:59", "start_time": "1:16:57", "text": "The first one is varsity." }, { "end_time": "1:17:01", "start_time": "1:16:59", "text": "We have a platform which is great for beginners." }, { "end_time": "1:17:11", "start_time": "1:17:02", "text": "To the second one, I don't think there is a finite amount of knowledge that you can actually define because I don't think I have enough knowledge yet." }, { "end_time": "1:17:17", "start_time": "1:17:11", "text": "But as long as you know the rules, I think probably more important than knowledge." }, { "end_time": "1:17:18", "start_time": "1:17:17", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:17:18", "start_time": "1:17:18", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:17:24", "start_time": "1:17:18", "text": "A bunch of people, I'm going to highlight Umang Kehlani's question, but a bunch of people have asked this same question." }, { "end_time": "1:17:29", "start_time": "1:17:25", "text": "Nitin has got a lot of fanboys and fangirls by the way after the interview." }, { "end_time": "1:17:31", "start_time": "1:17:29", "text": "People love his Rahul Dravidness of life." }, { "end_time": "1:17:33", "start_time": "1:17:31", "text": "How do you guys complement each other?" }, { "end_time": "1:17:37", "start_time": "1:17:33", "text": "And I know you've answered this in past interviews but are there no ego clashes?" }, { "end_time": "1:17:39", "start_time": "1:17:37", "text": "Because both girls are such calm souls man." }, { "end_time": "1:17:45", "start_time": "1:17:39", "text": "Like I can't imagine there being no ego clashes at all in like a 13 14 year career." }, { "end_time": "1:17:49", "start_time": "1:17:46", "text": "So my direct question is what's your solution to that and how do you all gel together as a team?" }, { "end_time": "1:17:59", "start_time": "1:17:49", "text": "I think we have clear demarcations of what we do and I don't mess with what he does and we kinda like don't interfere in each other's roles." }, { "end_time": "1:18:08", "start_time": "1:18:00", "text": "That helps, but at the end of the day, you know, it's one life and your brothers if, if you don't have each other's backs forever, who does, right?" }, { "end_time": "1:18:09", "start_time": "1:18:08", "text": "We remember that." }, { "end_time": "1:18:13", "start_time": "1:18:09", "text": "So even if there's a slight clash where you know, last for like 5 minutes or something." }, { "end_time": "1:18:14", "start_time": "1:18:13", "text": "Dude, I've cried in front of my cofounders." }, { "end_time": "1:18:16", "start_time": "1:18:15", "text": "That's how like intense." }, { "end_time": "1:18:19", "start_time": "1:18:16", "text": "Have you had like those emotional kind of I want to cry with breakdowns." }, { "end_time": "1:18:21", "start_time": "1:18:20", "text": "Not breakdowns." }, { "end_time": "1:18:23", "start_time": "1:18:21", "text": "I don't think we've had any large fights." }, { "end_time": "1:18:28", "start_time": "1:18:23", "text": "Especially not about Like I mean, not by breakdowns I mean on a more personal level." }, { "end_time": "1:18:31", "start_time": "1:18:28", "text": "Like you're going through something traumatic not just maybe in your professional life." }, { "end_time": "1:18:31", "start_time": "1:18:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:18:34", "start_time": "1:18:31", "text": "In your personal life but some of your co founders become as good as family." }, { "end_time": "1:18:36", "start_time": "1:18:34", "text": "I mean your co founders are your family." }, { "end_time": "1:18:38", "start_time": "1:18:37", "text": "So it's a little awkward." }, { "end_time": "1:18:39", "start_time": "1:18:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:18:39", "start_time": "1:18:39", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:18:40", "start_time": "1:18:39", "text": "It does happen." }, { "end_time": "1:18:46", "start_time": "1:18:40", "text": "I have this issue where, I tend to keep things within and I don't communicate where I should." }, { "end_time": "1:18:51", "start_time": "1:18:46", "text": "So my interpersonal skills are not up to par, they're very bad." }, { "end_time": "1:18:53", "start_time": "1:18:51", "text": "Nitro on the hand is much better." }, { "end_time": "1:19:01", "start_time": "1:18:53", "text": "He's, he has great EQ and he's very good at resolving conflict with his personal relationships." }, { "end_time": "1:19:02", "start_time": "1:19:02", "text": "So yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:19:06", "start_time": "1:19:03", "text": "Ojas Sharma asks, how do you keep yourself motivated now?" }, { "end_time": "1:19:12", "start_time": "1:19:07", "text": "The markets it's I don't know if it's motivation or addiction but one of the 2 is at play." }, { "end_time": "1:19:14", "start_time": "1:19:13", "text": "They keep me motivated." }, { "end_time": "1:19:16", "start_time": "1:19:15", "text": "And what's your opinion on brakes?" }, { "end_time": "1:19:20", "start_time": "1:19:16", "text": "Because again when people are seeing this bootstrap monster called 0." }, { "end_time": "1:19:28", "start_time": "1:19:20", "text": "No one thinks that okay it's run by 2 human beings who probably get tired and go to the Maldives or wherever you all go." }, { "end_time": "1:19:28", "start_time": "1:19:28", "text": "But Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:19:31", "start_time": "1:19:28", "text": "So we don't really miss market days." }, { "end_time": "1:19:33", "start_time": "1:19:31", "text": "I haven't missed the market day in like over a decade." }, { "end_time": "1:19:35", "start_time": "1:19:34", "text": "How do you blow off steam?" }, { "end_time": "1:19:36", "start_time": "1:19:35", "text": "Weekends." }, { "end_time": "1:19:37", "start_time": "1:19:36", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:19:37", "start_time": "1:19:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:19:39", "start_time": "1:19:37", "text": "Like we did last night." }, { "end_time": "1:19:41", "start_time": "1:19:41", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:19:43", "start_time": "1:19:41", "text": "A memorable night, man." }, { "end_time": "1:19:56", "start_time": "1:19:44", "text": "That's that's why, you know, I mean, on a very personal level dude, that's such a gift of the podcast because even in real life scenarios, when do you have the opportunity to go this deep with another human being?" }, { "end_time": "1:19:56", "start_time": "1:19:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:19:58", "start_time": "1:19:56", "text": "So podcast has helped me make friends Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:20:00", "start_time": "1:19:59", "text": "Which then opened up my mind." }, { "end_time": "1:20:01", "start_time": "1:20:00", "text": "It's all smart friends I'm making." }, { "end_time": "1:20:03", "start_time": "1:20:01", "text": "If you're on the podcast, you have something to share." }, { "end_time": "1:20:10", "start_time": "1:20:04", "text": "Big big blessing of my life and just like spending time with you and your friends yesterday was incredibly stimulating." }, { "end_time": "1:20:10", "start_time": "1:20:10", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:20:12", "start_time": "1:20:10", "text": "This is an interesting question." }, { "end_time": "1:20:17", "start_time": "1:20:12", "text": "Prayag Verma asks what was the pressure like in the early days of starting Zerodha?" }, { "end_time": "1:20:27", "start_time": "1:20:17", "text": "When apparently you guys were getting threatening calls from other brokers because y'all had like disrupted that whole part of the finance world." }, { "end_time": "1:20:29", "start_time": "1:20:27", "text": "Actually, it was not that bad." }, { "end_time": "1:20:39", "start_time": "1:20:29", "text": "I think it's overstated with time but even at the very beginning, the people we worked with were our closest friends." }, { "end_time": "1:20:44", "start_time": "1:20:39", "text": "Like, they were people who lived in the same apartment where we played cricket growing up." }, { "end_time": "1:20:47", "start_time": "1:20:44", "text": "They were people who were friends first and then colleagues." }, { "end_time": "1:20:48", "start_time": "1:20:47", "text": "So we had a lot of fun with it." }, { "end_time": "1:20:52", "start_time": "1:20:48", "text": "We were not making a lot of money, but we were definitely having a lot of fun." }, { "end_time": "1:20:52", "start_time": "1:20:52", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:20:55", "start_time": "1:20:53", "text": "We would play counter strike for 5 hours a day." }, { "end_time": "1:20:57", "start_time": "1:20:56", "text": "To blow off steam?" }, { "end_time": "1:20:58", "start_time": "1:20:57", "text": "Like 5 hours a day." }, { "end_time": "1:21:00", "start_time": "1:20:58", "text": "Do you think that builds that builds a sense of teamwork?" }, { "end_time": "1:21:04", "start_time": "1:21:02", "text": "I don't know about that but it was a lot of fun." }, { "end_time": "1:21:05", "start_time": "1:21:05", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "1:21:09", "start_time": "1:21:05", "text": "I feel football builds such a strong sense of teamwork and team spirit." }, { "end_time": "1:21:12", "start_time": "1:21:09", "text": "I can force my guys to play football with me." }, { "end_time": "1:21:14", "start_time": "1:21:12", "text": "Gotta play football after this guys." }, { "end_time": "1:21:16", "start_time": "1:21:15", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:21:18", "start_time": "1:21:17", "text": "Interesting question again." }, { "end_time": "1:21:20", "start_time": "1:21:18", "text": "Prasanth Medicharla asks." }, { "end_time": "1:21:24", "start_time": "1:21:20", "text": "What if every person in India loans to trade on the stock market?" }, { "end_time": "1:21:26", "start_time": "1:21:24", "text": "Theoretically what will happen?" }, { "end_time": "1:21:27", "start_time": "1:21:26", "text": "It will be good." }, { "end_time": "1:21:30", "start_time": "1:21:28", "text": "I think there are there is precedent." }, { "end_time": "1:21:35", "start_time": "1:21:30", "text": "There are countries in which 70 80 percent of the population has like direct to indirect exposure." }, { "end_time": "1:21:41", "start_time": "1:21:35", "text": "I would say not trade but even in the US your 401 k has some kind of equity component in it." }, { "end_time": "1:21:43", "start_time": "1:21:42", "text": "I think you'll become competitive." }, { "end_time": "1:21:50", "start_time": "1:21:44", "text": "It'll become a larger market and it'll become a great place for companies to raise capital at the end of the day." }, { "end_time": "1:21:52", "start_time": "1:21:50", "text": "Is Abhishek Prasad asks." }, { "end_time": "1:21:58", "start_time": "1:21:53", "text": "What is zerodha thinking of rural area development and actually I would also love to know." }, { "end_time": "1:22:05", "start_time": "1:21:58", "text": "Do you see rural parts of India getting into Fintech at all or just personal finance as a concept?" }, { "end_time": "1:22:06", "start_time": "1:22:05", "text": "I think I think yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:22:17", "start_time": "1:22:06", "text": "I think there's a trend which will emerge from all that has happened where urbanization will slow down to a large extent and tier 2 and tier 3 towns will start picking up." }, { "end_time": "1:22:23", "start_time": "1:22:18", "text": "It'll be interesting to watch what happens and how much financial exposure those towns gain." }, { "end_time": "1:22:23", "start_time": "1:22:23", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "1:22:23", "start_time": "1:22:23", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:22:24", "start_time": "1:22:23", "text": "This is not a question." }, { "end_time": "1:22:29", "start_time": "1:22:24", "text": "Just want to highlight that a lot of questions about true beacon coming in, which is your brainchild." }, { "end_time": "1:22:30", "start_time": "1:22:29", "text": "So and these are like young kids." }, { "end_time": "1:22:32", "start_time": "1:22:30", "text": "These are college kids who are asking these questions." }, { "end_time": "1:22:35", "start_time": "1:22:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:22:42", "start_time": "1:22:35", "text": "And I think almost all the other questions have been answered through the course of, this podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:22:46", "start_time": "1:22:42", "text": "But I will ask you one last question from this rapid fire round." }, { "end_time": "1:22:52", "start_time": "1:22:46", "text": "So Dhanwa asks, what's the role of newspapers and current affairs in your financial game?" }, { "end_time": "1:22:55", "start_time": "1:22:52", "text": "So I think she's asking about trading stocks." }, { "end_time": "1:22:57", "start_time": "1:22:55", "text": "Do you think newspapers play a massive role?" }, { "end_time": "1:22:58", "start_time": "1:22:57", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:22:59", "start_time": "1:22:58", "text": "How do you keep up with current affairs?" }, { "end_time": "1:23:08", "start_time": "1:23:01", "text": "You do read the news but I think, what what have you replaced?" }, { "end_time": "1:23:12", "start_time": "1:23:09", "text": "I don't think I would call financial earning as news." }, { "end_time": "1:23:14", "start_time": "1:23:12", "text": "Often they are not reported." }, { "end_time": "1:23:31", "start_time": "1:23:14", "text": "I think reading a company's, balance sheet and actually seeing how revenues are changing and margins are changing makes a much more seminal impact than reading news which is being publicized because typically that's just for you know leadership and everything is exaggerated." }, { "end_time": "1:23:31", "start_time": "1:23:31", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:23:34", "start_time": "1:23:32", "text": "And because we've reached the end of the podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:23:38", "start_time": "1:23:35", "text": "You asked me yesterday man what are you planning for this show?" }, { "end_time": "1:23:40", "start_time": "1:23:38", "text": "And I said that dude I wanna ask you really deep questions." }, { "end_time": "1:23:43", "start_time": "1:23:40", "text": "I feel like you're a low key deep guy and Kunal had tweeted about this one." }, { "end_time": "1:23:52", "start_time": "1:23:43", "text": "He said that the big gift of entrepreneurship other than the obvious ones like money, fame, power, is that you you go through a journey of self discovery." }, { "end_time": "1:23:53", "start_time": "1:23:53", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:23:56", "start_time": "1:23:53", "text": "When you're an entrepreneur, which is so true." }, { "end_time": "1:23:56", "start_time": "1:23:56", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:24:01", "start_time": "1:23:56", "text": "You get to see the most naked parts of your own mind, your own insecurities." }, { "end_time": "1:24:04", "start_time": "1:24:02", "text": "You get to know yourself way deeper." }, { "end_time": "1:24:09", "start_time": "1:24:04", "text": "I also believe meditation does the same because you're sitting in silence for so long, you're going within." }, { "end_time": "1:24:13", "start_time": "1:24:10", "text": "But speaking about business, are you happy now?" }, { "end_time": "1:24:17", "start_time": "1:24:13", "text": "And do you have a sense of spirituality with everything that's happening around you?" }, { "end_time": "1:24:22", "start_time": "1:24:17", "text": "Well, to be honest, I have not understood spirituality." }, { "end_time": "1:24:27", "start_time": "1:24:23", "text": "I have many friends who talk about it and how much it has changed them." }, { "end_time": "1:24:31", "start_time": "1:24:28", "text": "But I asked them, what is spirituality for you?" }, { "end_time": "1:24:33", "start_time": "1:24:31", "text": "Each one has a different definition." }, { "end_time": "1:24:35", "start_time": "1:24:33", "text": "I think it means a different thing to everybody." }, { "end_time": "1:24:44", "start_time": "1:24:37", "text": "In terms of happiness, I think again, it's a very relative concept Relative to any other time in my own life." }, { "end_time": "1:24:46", "start_time": "1:24:44", "text": "I'm happier today for sure." }, { "end_time": "1:24:53", "start_time": "1:24:47", "text": "I feel less insecure about many things that I felt more insecure about historically." }, { "end_time": "1:24:56", "start_time": "1:24:53", "text": "Can I can I rudely ask you about some of those insecurities?" }, { "end_time": "1:24:58", "start_time": "1:24:57", "text": "Like from when you were younger?" }, { "end_time": "1:24:59", "start_time": "1:24:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:25:06", "start_time": "1:24:59", "text": "I've had insecurities about feeling less important than, I actually was." }, { "end_time": "1:25:12", "start_time": "1:25:06", "text": "About relationships, about financial goals, about money, lot of things." }, { "end_time": "1:25:14", "start_time": "1:25:12", "text": "At what age did it feel to you?" }, { "end_time": "1:25:14", "start_time": "1:25:14", "text": "All through." }, { "end_time": "1:25:15", "start_time": "1:25:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:25:18", "start_time": "1:25:15", "text": "Ever since 14, 15, 16, it has been there." }, { "end_time": "1:25:24", "start_time": "1:25:18", "text": "At different points, at different, insecurity has, you know, played a more important role." }, { "end_time": "1:25:39", "start_time": "1:25:25", "text": "Maybe in the last couple of years it has been more around relationships, feeling insecure there and, the people you care for if they don't care for you and things Often, you know, we all have relationships, right?" }, { "end_time": "1:25:40", "start_time": "1:25:39", "text": "Like all kind of relationships." }, { "end_time": "1:25:46", "start_time": "1:25:41", "text": "We have friendships, we have parents, we have romantic relationships, all of that." }, { "end_time": "1:25:49", "start_time": "1:25:47", "text": "I have felt insecure in all of those relationships." }, { "end_time": "1:25:50", "start_time": "1:25:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:25:51", "start_time": "1:25:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:25:53", "start_time": "1:25:51", "text": "I mean that's again that's many of us do." }, { "end_time": "1:25:53", "start_time": "1:25:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:26:01", "start_time": "1:25:56", "text": "Because you've lived through your late twenties and early thirties, what's that like?" }, { "end_time": "1:26:02", "start_time": "1:26:01", "text": "And I'll give you context to this question." }, { "end_time": "1:26:07", "start_time": "1:26:02", "text": "I feel like early twenties about finding your feet and understanding where do I belong in this world." }, { "end_time": "1:26:10", "start_time": "1:26:07", "text": "Just finding some sense of purpose." }, { "end_time": "1:26:13", "start_time": "1:26:10", "text": "I won't even say finding your purpose, but just finding something to do." }, { "end_time": "1:26:16", "start_time": "1:26:13", "text": "Your mid twenties are about probably solidification and learning." }, { "end_time": "1:26:17", "start_time": "1:26:17", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:26:20", "start_time": "1:26:17", "text": "Learning beyond college and academic academics." }, { "end_time": "1:26:27", "start_time": "1:26:20", "text": "I'm curious to know what your late twenties are because my reading of it as a 27 year old is that now you found your feet." }, { "end_time": "1:26:29", "start_time": "1:26:27", "text": "You've solidified it." }, { "end_time": "1:26:33", "start_time": "1:26:29", "text": "Now it's about getting your weapons polished up for your thirties." }, { "end_time": "1:26:34", "start_time": "1:26:33", "text": "I would agree with you." }, { "end_time": "1:26:37", "start_time": "1:26:34", "text": "I think late twenties become about consolidation." }, { "end_time": "1:26:41", "start_time": "1:26:38", "text": "Where you start it's different for different people, I'm guessing." }, { "end_time": "1:26:48", "start_time": "1:26:41", "text": "But you start achieving scale and, you become not an expert at what you're doing, but you become a lot more proficient." }, { "end_time": "1:26:59", "start_time": "1:26:49", "text": "I mean I've I'm only going by my experience, but I think thirties and mid thirties is the time Especially if you have don't have dependents." }, { "end_time": "1:27:00", "start_time": "1:26:59", "text": "If you don't have kids." }, { "end_time": "1:27:04", "start_time": "1:27:01", "text": "You're not doing a in order to be able to do b." }, { "end_time": "1:27:14", "start_time": "1:27:05", "text": "If you're alone, you kind of have to like, you arrive at a point where you start questioning the purpose of everything a lot more." }, { "end_time": "1:27:14", "start_time": "1:27:14", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:27:15", "start_time": "1:27:14", "text": "Existentialism." }, { "end_time": "1:27:16", "start_time": "1:27:16", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:27:16", "start_time": "1:27:16", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:27:20", "start_time": "1:27:16", "text": "I think midlife crisis which is to happen in fifties is now happening in thirties." }, { "end_time": "1:27:22", "start_time": "1:27:20", "text": "Because of social media?" }, { "end_time": "1:27:23", "start_time": "1:27:22", "text": "Could be." }, { "end_time": "1:27:24", "start_time": "1:27:23", "text": "Could be." }, { "end_time": "1:27:28", "start_time": "1:27:24", "text": "Thanks to well, you guys are welcome." }, { "end_time": "1:27:34", "start_time": "1:27:29", "text": "Because I mean if if you are dealing with a midlife crisis early, you're probably solving it early also." }, { "end_time": "1:27:35", "start_time": "1:27:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:27:35", "start_time": "1:27:35", "text": "Through this podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:27:38", "start_time": "1:27:35", "text": "Through this particular episode with Nikhil." }, { "end_time": "1:27:42", "start_time": "1:27:40", "text": "Is it scary turning 30 for a man?" }, { "end_time": "1:27:43", "start_time": "1:27:42", "text": "For an Indian guy?" }, { "end_time": "1:27:44", "start_time": "1:27:43", "text": "We are told all your life that." }, { "end_time": "1:27:47", "start_time": "1:27:47", "text": "Is it?" }, { "end_time": "1:27:48", "start_time": "1:27:48", "text": "Is it?" }, { "end_time": "1:27:51", "start_time": "1:27:48", "text": "Because because Indian guys do go through that." }, { "end_time": "1:27:55", "start_time": "1:27:51", "text": "That's that's one stark form of sexism that Indian guys face." }, { "end_time": "1:28:01", "start_time": "1:27:56", "text": "We are told since you're a little kid that unless you earn money you won't earn any respect in the society." }, { "end_time": "1:28:05", "start_time": "1:28:01", "text": "Which doesn't really matter when you when you think about wealth games and all that." }, { "end_time": "1:28:08", "start_time": "1:28:05", "text": "But you're scared when you're a kid." }, { "end_time": "1:28:12", "start_time": "1:28:08", "text": "So when you actually hit that 30 years mark, what was your mindset like?" }, { "end_time": "1:28:14", "start_time": "1:28:12", "text": "What happens to people around you?" }, { "end_time": "1:28:21", "start_time": "1:28:16", "text": "I think in many cases you start thinking I wanted to do a b c by time I was 30." }, { "end_time": "1:28:24", "start_time": "1:28:21", "text": "I've not done c or I've not done a." }, { "end_time": "1:28:25", "start_time": "1:28:24", "text": "You think about that." }, { "end_time": "1:28:29", "start_time": "1:28:25", "text": "But I think you change a lot more at 25." }, { "end_time": "1:28:32", "start_time": "1:28:29", "text": "25 is a bigger birthday than 30." }, { "end_time": "1:28:36", "start_time": "1:28:32", "text": "Because up until I was 25, I used to enjoy my birthdays, you know." }, { "end_time": "1:28:37", "start_time": "1:28:36", "text": "Yes, I'm 25." }, { "end_time": "1:28:40", "start_time": "1:28:38", "text": "Now I'm like, damn, I'm 34 now." }, { "end_time": "1:28:42", "start_time": "1:28:40", "text": "I'm gonna be 35 next year." }, { "end_time": "1:28:44", "start_time": "1:28:43", "text": "Started going in the office." }, { "end_time": "1:28:45", "start_time": "1:28:44", "text": "Even now, dude?" }, { "end_time": "1:28:45", "start_time": "1:28:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:28:46", "start_time": "1:28:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:28:49", "start_time": "1:28:46", "text": "I mean that's the only like finite commodity in the world." }, { "end_time": "1:28:49", "start_time": "1:28:49", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:28:56", "start_time": "1:28:49", "text": "Time and expending 1 year becomes less a cause for celebration and more, you know." }, { "end_time": "1:28:57", "start_time": "1:28:56", "text": "Like I have 100, I've spent 1." }, { "end_time": "1:29:02", "start_time": "1:28:59", "text": "Are there other negatives associated with aging for a guy?" }, { "end_time": "1:29:03", "start_time": "1:29:02", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "1:29:07", "start_time": "1:29:03", "text": "I know that for girls this is something I spotted with some of my media friends." }, { "end_time": "1:29:11", "start_time": "1:29:07", "text": "They get very conscious of their skin and wrinkles and aging." }, { "end_time": "1:29:13", "start_time": "1:29:11", "text": "And I'm just like yo you know." }, { "end_time": "1:29:15", "start_time": "1:29:13", "text": "I mean even older women are attractive." }, { "end_time": "1:29:18", "start_time": "1:29:15", "text": "Why have you had this idea that wrinkles are not good?" }, { "end_time": "1:29:19", "start_time": "1:29:18", "text": "For for a guy what happens?" }, { "end_time": "1:29:20", "start_time": "1:29:19", "text": "What do you think?" }, { "end_time": "1:29:21", "start_time": "1:29:20", "text": "I think you slow down." }, { "end_time": "1:29:24", "start_time": "1:29:21", "text": "I'll tell you like the changes you'll notice first." }, { "end_time": "1:29:27", "start_time": "1:29:24", "text": "If you go out and have a drink, for example." }, { "end_time": "1:29:28", "start_time": "1:29:27", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:29:34", "start_time": "1:29:29", "text": "You would be hangover for like half an hour at 27 probably for 5 hours at 34." }, { "end_time": "1:29:36", "start_time": "1:29:34", "text": "It does start to change." }, { "end_time": "1:29:38", "start_time": "1:29:36", "text": "Your body takes longer to recover." }, { "end_time": "1:29:47", "start_time": "1:29:39", "text": "If you want to work 2 3 days in a row and you've managed to get 2 3 hours of sleep only, it will hit you the 4th day." }, { "end_time": "1:29:48", "start_time": "1:29:47", "text": "You will fall sick." }, { "end_time": "1:29:50", "start_time": "1:29:48", "text": "Maybe at 25 it did not happen." }, { "end_time": "1:29:56", "start_time": "1:29:52", "text": "Socially, you're judged a bit more than you were when you're 25." }, { "end_time": "1:30:03", "start_time": "1:29:58", "text": "For example, if you're a single man, like I'm guessing you are." }, { "end_time": "1:30:04", "start_time": "1:30:03", "text": "Like Am I though?" }, { "end_time": "1:30:05", "start_time": "1:30:04", "text": "I don't know dude." }, { "end_time": "1:30:07", "start_time": "1:30:06", "text": "I I sort of." }, { "end_time": "1:30:07", "start_time": "1:30:07", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:30:09", "start_time": "1:30:07", "text": "So tell us more about it." }, { "end_time": "1:30:12", "start_time": "1:30:11", "text": "Dude, honestly." }, { "end_time": "1:30:13", "start_time": "1:30:13", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:30:16", "start_time": "1:30:13", "text": "I'll answer this after you finish your answer." }, { "end_time": "1:30:16", "start_time": "1:30:16", "text": "Tell us." }, { "end_time": "1:30:22", "start_time": "1:30:16", "text": "I mean, I think, this is something everybody would want to know more than the other questions we spoke about tonight." }, { "end_time": "1:30:32", "start_time": "1:30:22", "text": "So I mean because I'm a YouTuber and I put my life out there that much, I had like a very serious relationship till about a couple of years ago that ended in a very rough patch." }, { "end_time": "1:30:32", "start_time": "1:30:32", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:30:40", "start_time": "1:30:32", "text": "And, that just like it it kind of, put me deeper into my work too." }, { "end_time": "1:30:40", "start_time": "1:30:40", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:30:44", "start_time": "1:30:40", "text": "Like whether it was productivity, whether it was the scale of my own vision." }, { "end_time": "1:30:45", "start_time": "1:30:44", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:30:47", "start_time": "1:30:45", "text": "Everything became more motivated." }, { "end_time": "1:30:50", "start_time": "1:30:47", "text": "You know that there's a saying have you seen the the Ranbir Kapoor movie rock star?" }, { "end_time": "1:30:50", "start_time": "1:30:50", "text": "I have." }, { "end_time": "1:30:51", "start_time": "1:30:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:30:51", "start_time": "1:30:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:30:55", "start_time": "1:30:51", "text": "So I feel like I'm in that zone where they say 2 day they'll say Sangeet Nikalta." }, { "end_time": "1:30:55", "start_time": "1:30:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:30:57", "start_time": "1:30:56", "text": "Asli I don't remember the dialogue." }, { "end_time": "1:31:04", "start_time": "1:30:57", "text": "But the the the logic of it is that if if you've gone through a rough time, it doesn't just have to be through a broken relationship." }, { "end_time": "1:31:04", "start_time": "1:31:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:31:06", "start_time": "1:31:04", "text": "It can just be through any kind of Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:31:08", "start_time": "1:31:06", "text": "Heartache which could be failing in life." }, { "end_time": "1:31:10", "start_time": "1:31:08", "text": "Maybe a particular business collapses." }, { "end_time": "1:31:10", "start_time": "1:31:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:31:11", "start_time": "1:31:10", "text": "Whatever." }, { "end_time": "1:31:15", "start_time": "1:31:12", "text": "It pushes you into like an extreme drive mode." }, { "end_time": "1:31:15", "start_time": "1:31:15", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:31:18", "start_time": "1:31:15", "text": "And I definitely feel I've been in that for like the last 2 years." }, { "end_time": "1:31:27", "start_time": "1:31:18", "text": "Which means that I am a little bit emotionally unavailable because my team needs that emotional love and care." }, { "end_time": "1:31:30", "start_time": "1:31:28", "text": "It's kind of cliche but I feel like they're my kids." }, { "end_time": "1:31:30", "start_time": "1:31:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:31:35", "start_time": "1:31:30", "text": "And I direct the love there rather than to a stable relationship." }, { "end_time": "1:31:39", "start_time": "1:31:35", "text": "Which means on the flip side that I've had a bunch of not so serious relationships." }, { "end_time": "1:31:41", "start_time": "1:31:40", "text": "They've been relationships." }, { "end_time": "1:31:43", "start_time": "1:31:41", "text": "I've not been messing around, not been sleeping around and all that." }, { "end_time": "1:31:50", "start_time": "1:31:43", "text": "But I, you know, it's not been as serious as what my older serious relationship was." }, { "end_time": "1:31:56", "start_time": "1:31:50", "text": "Great attempt at deflecting and not answering my relationships." }, { "end_time": "1:32:01", "start_time": "1:31:57", "text": "Never in my life did I think that Nikhil Kama would ask me this but cool." }, { "end_time": "1:32:06", "start_time": "1:32:03", "text": "The short answer is I'm like single right now man." }, { "end_time": "1:32:09", "start_time": "1:32:07", "text": "And I'm also strong." }, { "end_time": "1:32:11", "start_time": "1:32:09", "text": "It's a good way to promote the fact that you're single." }, { "end_time": "1:32:12", "start_time": "1:32:11", "text": "I say it on a podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:32:17", "start_time": "1:32:13", "text": "Dude my my my mom has started pitching the concept of arranged marriage to me." }, { "end_time": "1:32:17", "start_time": "1:32:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:32:18", "start_time": "1:32:17", "text": "I'm I'm like cool." }, { "end_time": "1:32:20", "start_time": "1:32:18", "text": "It's just Tinder for adults." }, { "end_time": "1:32:21", "start_time": "1:32:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:32:28", "start_time": "1:32:21", "text": "And you know a girl who has agreed for range marriage probably in the same mindset as a guy who's agreed for range marriage which is that why not." }, { "end_time": "1:32:29", "start_time": "1:32:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:32:30", "start_time": "1:32:29", "text": "And I think you can have fun with it." }, { "end_time": "1:32:32", "start_time": "1:32:30", "text": "You don't have to go the traditional way." }, { "end_time": "1:32:35", "start_time": "1:32:32", "text": "You can go on a lot of dates which your mom sets you up." }, { "end_time": "1:32:38", "start_time": "1:32:36", "text": "That's that's the plan, man." }, { "end_time": "1:32:44", "start_time": "1:32:39", "text": "Honestly also I have dated a lot and I've had my fair share of fun." }, { "end_time": "1:32:45", "start_time": "1:32:44", "text": "We were just talking about travel." }, { "end_time": "1:32:58", "start_time": "1:32:46", "text": "There are these moments you have on travel where you're looking at mountains with snow peaks on top and you're looking at lakes, you're you're floating in these boats and you're just like, yo, I paid for this myself." }, { "end_time": "1:33:01", "start_time": "1:32:59", "text": "And that's the real joy of life." }, { "end_time": "1:33:10", "start_time": "1:33:02", "text": "Probably I'm at that age where I started appreciating just your own self experiences, what you see through your own eyes even more than love." }, { "end_time": "1:33:11", "start_time": "1:33:10", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:33:15", "start_time": "1:33:11", "text": "And I know that you're you're beyond this age and you're back to appreciating relationships." }, { "end_time": "1:33:15", "start_time": "1:33:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:33:22", "start_time": "1:33:16", "text": "And I also strongly feel when it comes to happiness, you have to define happiness subjectively." }, { "end_time": "1:33:23", "start_time": "1:33:22", "text": "Like what do you want at this stage of your life?" }, { "end_time": "1:33:24", "start_time": "1:33:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:33:28", "start_time": "1:33:24", "text": "Or what experience in your recent past really caused you to be happy?" }, { "end_time": "1:33:28", "start_time": "1:33:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:33:38", "start_time": "1:33:28", "text": "I I had this, notion that a relationship should be all encompassing Like, you should get everything from that one person." }, { "end_time": "1:33:44", "start_time": "1:33:39", "text": "That has now changed to it does you shouldn't put that much pressure on one thing." }, { "end_time": "1:33:47", "start_time": "1:33:44", "text": "So, you know, you have, like, a 100 people in your life." }, { "end_time": "1:33:49", "start_time": "1:33:47", "text": "You get something from a friend." }, { "end_time": "1:33:55", "start_time": "1:33:49", "text": "You get something from a colleague, you get something from a brother and all the love together makes you feel fulfilled." }, { "end_time": "1:33:55", "start_time": "1:33:55", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:33:59", "start_time": "1:33:55", "text": "I think that helps a lot when you're getting into a relationship." }, { "end_time": "1:34:03", "start_time": "1:33:59", "text": "Do you do you feel that, do you believe in destiny at all?" }, { "end_time": "1:34:08", "start_time": "1:34:06", "text": "If I do, I don't understand it yet." }, { "end_time": "1:34:18", "start_time": "1:34:08", "text": "I think often in life I have thought of something to be destiny but then something else has happened along the way and my version of destiny keeps changing." }, { "end_time": "1:34:19", "start_time": "1:34:18", "text": "So I don't know." }, { "end_time": "1:34:27", "start_time": "1:34:22", "text": "I asked Nitin a lot about spirituality in his podcast and he kinda boiled it down to just being a good person." }, { "end_time": "1:34:28", "start_time": "1:34:27", "text": "And I see I see that in you as well." }, { "end_time": "1:34:34", "start_time": "1:34:28", "text": "Like the way you treat people is way nicer than people in my industry treat other human beings." }, { "end_time": "1:34:43", "start_time": "1:34:35", "text": "But other than that, like, and I also see a lot of men in the thirties probably once their careers are set or at least careers have strong direction." }, { "end_time": "1:34:45", "start_time": "1:34:43", "text": "They search for deeper answers." }, { "end_time": "1:34:47", "start_time": "1:34:45", "text": "They search for spirituality." }, { "end_time": "1:34:48", "start_time": "1:34:47", "text": "Men's perspective." }, { "end_time": "1:34:49", "start_time": "1:34:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:34:50", "start_time": "1:34:49", "text": "I think I'm going through that now." }, { "end_time": "1:34:56", "start_time": "1:34:50", "text": "I think the biggest differentiator I think for me is the fact that I don't have any dependents." }, { "end_time": "1:35:00", "start_time": "1:34:57", "text": "I don't have anybody to look after." }, { "end_time": "1:35:09", "start_time": "1:35:01", "text": "So everything I do in my life unless the situation changes, there is no end goal to it." }, { "end_time": "1:35:13", "start_time": "1:35:09", "text": "There is no okay I I didn't have a now I have a, I want b." }, { "end_time": "1:35:15", "start_time": "1:35:13", "text": "What do you do with the b?" }, { "end_time": "1:35:16", "start_time": "1:35:15", "text": "I have not figured out yet." }, { "end_time": "1:35:30", "start_time": "1:35:17", "text": "But I feel if the situation does not change and I don't have any dependence, you would probably end up becoming more socially responsible and do more for others because at the end of the dates, it comes down to that." }, { "end_time": "1:35:30", "start_time": "1:35:30", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:35:30", "start_time": "1:35:30", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:35:35", "start_time": "1:35:31", "text": "And coming back to love, I feel that in your heart you're a romantic dude, man." }, { "end_time": "1:35:37", "start_time": "1:35:35", "text": "Like the little bit that I've interacted with." }, { "end_time": "1:35:38", "start_time": "1:35:37", "text": "Can I tell you the truth?" }, { "end_time": "1:35:47", "start_time": "1:35:38", "text": "I have had 4 relationships in my life and every single one I have been dumped and I've been on the receiving end of it." }, { "end_time": "1:35:48", "start_time": "1:35:47", "text": "I feel it." }, { "end_time": "1:35:49", "start_time": "1:35:48", "text": "I feel it." }, { "end_time": "1:35:55", "start_time": "1:35:49", "text": "And the reason has been I am, emotionally unavailable and a bit like a robot." }, { "end_time": "1:35:56", "start_time": "1:35:55", "text": "That's because of your stoicism?" }, { "end_time": "1:35:57", "start_time": "1:35:56", "text": "Could be." }, { "end_time": "1:36:04", "start_time": "1:35:57", "text": "That's where a professional weapon ends up slicing you in your pocket in your personal life." }, { "end_time": "1:36:04", "start_time": "1:36:04", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "1:36:05", "start_time": "1:36:04", "text": "That is so true." }, { "end_time": "1:36:10", "start_time": "1:36:05", "text": "I think what works at work does not work outside of work." }, { "end_time": "1:36:11", "start_time": "1:36:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:36:14", "start_time": "1:36:11", "text": "And to remember that and practice that is very difficult." }, { "end_time": "1:36:14", "start_time": "1:36:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:36:18", "start_time": "1:36:14", "text": "I remember my first co founder Viraj is 2 years younger than I am." }, { "end_time": "1:36:19", "start_time": "1:36:18", "text": "So I had that 2 year head start." }, { "end_time": "1:36:21", "start_time": "1:36:19", "text": "He's way ahead of me mentally now." }, { "end_time": "1:36:22", "start_time": "1:36:21", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:36:25", "start_time": "1:36:22", "text": "Like after spending 4 years in the real world." }, { "end_time": "1:36:30", "start_time": "1:36:25", "text": "But back then, I had to teach him to be a little heartless and tough." }, { "end_time": "1:36:31", "start_time": "1:36:30", "text": "I had to kill the kid inside him." }, { "end_time": "1:36:32", "start_time": "1:36:31", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:36:34", "start_time": "1:36:32", "text": "And that did affect his personal life as well." }, { "end_time": "1:36:37", "start_time": "1:36:34", "text": "And somewhere you gotta draw out your own system as a man." }, { "end_time": "1:36:41", "start_time": "1:36:37", "text": "You gotta come back and just learn to switch off and still be a child with your mom." }, { "end_time": "1:36:45", "start_time": "1:36:41", "text": "Still be a romantic Romeo with the person you're dating." }, { "end_time": "1:36:45", "start_time": "1:36:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:36:46", "start_time": "1:36:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:36:49", "start_time": "1:36:46", "text": "I think, what was the show I was watching on TV on Netflix?" }, { "end_time": "1:36:51", "start_time": "1:36:49", "text": "Bridgerton or something like that." }, { "end_time": "1:37:06", "start_time": "1:36:53", "text": "It kind of made me think about how much time we waste, wondering how we are being perceived and what people think of what we are doing in our personal lives, you know." }, { "end_time": "1:37:12", "start_time": "1:37:06", "text": "I think if we paid less attention and we did what we truly want, we'd all be happier." }, { "end_time": "1:37:16", "start_time": "1:37:12", "text": "Both persons in a both of the parties in a relationship would be happier." }, { "end_time": "1:37:18", "start_time": "1:37:16", "text": "You spoke about perceptions." }, { "end_time": "1:37:19", "start_time": "1:37:18", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:37:21", "start_time": "1:37:20", "text": "Dude, the fuck." }, { "end_time": "1:37:23", "start_time": "1:37:21", "text": "This is a rude question man." }, { "end_time": "1:37:23", "start_time": "1:37:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:37:29", "start_time": "1:37:23", "text": "But, you know the billionaire tag does carry a sense of status with it." }, { "end_time": "1:37:35", "start_time": "1:37:29", "text": "Do you see people treating you different after you you you know you were publicly acknowledged as a billionaire?" }, { "end_time": "1:37:38", "start_time": "1:37:36", "text": "And you also feel women started treating you differently?" }, { "end_time": "1:37:44", "start_time": "1:37:40", "text": "People are probably a bit nicer to you than they were before." }, { "end_time": "1:37:48", "start_time": "1:37:44", "text": "I mean I would be kidding myself if I didn't think that." }, { "end_time": "1:37:52", "start_time": "1:37:49", "text": "Women on the other hand, maybe." }, { "end_time": "1:37:55", "start_time": "1:37:52", "text": "But, I have not experienced it yet." }, { "end_time": "1:37:55", "start_time": "1:37:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:37:59", "start_time": "1:37:56", "text": "But like, the people aspect, like what happens?" }, { "end_time": "1:38:00", "start_time": "1:37:59", "text": "Do people suck up?" }, { "end_time": "1:38:07", "start_time": "1:38:04", "text": "A little bit maybe, but, Are you able to spot it?" }, { "end_time": "1:38:07", "start_time": "1:38:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:38:08", "start_time": "1:38:07", "text": "I think so." }, { "end_time": "1:38:09", "start_time": "1:38:08", "text": "I think so." }, { "end_time": "1:38:10", "start_time": "1:38:09", "text": "Like what what happens?" }, { "end_time": "1:38:18", "start_time": "1:38:11", "text": "See, I the biggest thing I'm trying to change is kinda like, be a bit more inaccessible." }, { "end_time": "1:38:32", "start_time": "1:38:19", "text": "I I was the kind of person who would, be friends with absolutely everybody and, it puts you in a uncomfortable position with new people?" }, { "end_time": "1:38:36", "start_time": "1:38:32", "text": "The old people who are friends for like, you know, 10 years 20 years, they remain the same." }, { "end_time": "1:38:40", "start_time": "1:38:36", "text": "They don't give a right size for what is happening or your family and all of that." }, { "end_time": "1:38:44", "start_time": "1:38:40", "text": "They'll be like, you know, they will bring you down to the ground very very quickly." }, { "end_time": "1:38:51", "start_time": "1:38:45", "text": "But it becomes harder to have objective new friendships because you don't know what the agenda is." }, { "end_time": "1:38:52", "start_time": "1:38:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:38:53", "start_time": "1:38:52", "text": "Do you feel that now?" }, { "end_time": "1:38:54", "start_time": "1:38:53", "text": "Do you feel that A little bit." }, { "end_time": "1:38:56", "start_time": "1:38:55", "text": "There's always an agenda?" }, { "end_time": "1:38:58", "start_time": "1:38:57", "text": "Little bit maybe." }, { "end_time": "1:38:58", "start_time": "1:38:58", "text": "Little bit." }, { "end_time": "1:39:00", "start_time": "1:38:58", "text": "It's not gotten that bad." }, { "end_time": "1:39:05", "start_time": "1:39:00", "text": "It's not it's not too bad but little bit." }, { "end_time": "1:39:06", "start_time": "1:39:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:39:08", "start_time": "1:39:06", "text": "Another rude observation." }, { "end_time": "1:39:12", "start_time": "1:39:09", "text": "When I was with you yesterday, I felt like that energy in the room was positive." }, { "end_time": "1:39:15", "start_time": "1:39:12", "text": "Like the people you chose to surround yourself with were positive." }, { "end_time": "1:39:15", "start_time": "1:39:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:39:20", "start_time": "1:39:15", "text": "Neither were little ups and downs in your own personal world, but generally it was positive." }, { "end_time": "1:39:21", "start_time": "1:39:20", "text": "So Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:39:28", "start_time": "1:39:21", "text": "What does someone in your position keep in mind when you're cutting off slash accepting people into your world, Into your world?" }, { "end_time": "1:39:32", "start_time": "1:39:28", "text": "Is it an intention of okay, can this person help me discover myself better?" }, { "end_time": "1:39:34", "start_time": "1:39:32", "text": "Does this person make me feel comfortable?" }, { "end_time": "1:39:37", "start_time": "1:39:35", "text": "I I don't even think I think that much." }, { "end_time": "1:39:39", "start_time": "1:39:37", "text": "I think, there are 2 kind of people." }, { "end_time": "1:39:45", "start_time": "1:39:40", "text": "1 who kinda are negative about a lot of things." }, { "end_time": "1:39:51", "start_time": "1:39:45", "text": "Pessimistic people who are generally complaining about something that has happened in life." }, { "end_time": "1:39:53", "start_time": "1:39:51", "text": "Typically takers and not givers." }, { "end_time": "1:39:53", "start_time": "1:39:53", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:40:03", "start_time": "1:39:53", "text": "And there is another set of people who are warm, sharing, giving, and are optimistic in adversity in many ways." }, { "end_time": "1:40:04", "start_time": "1:40:03", "text": "We all have adversity." }, { "end_time": "1:40:05", "start_time": "1:40:04", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:40:07", "start_time": "1:40:06", "text": "Everybody has issues." }, { "end_time": "1:40:10", "start_time": "1:40:08", "text": "Something like money does not definitely eliminate them." }, { "end_time": "1:40:13", "start_time": "1:40:10", "text": "If anything the scale of issues become larger." }, { "end_time": "1:40:20", "start_time": "1:40:13", "text": "But when you find those people, I think, the attempt will be to hold them closer." }, { "end_time": "1:40:25", "start_time": "1:40:21", "text": "In the past I have not done the best job with my relationships." }, { "end_time": "1:40:28", "start_time": "1:40:26", "text": "Not just a certain kind but all kind of relationships." }, { "end_time": "1:40:30", "start_time": "1:40:28", "text": "Because you had that warrior thing with your work?" }, { "end_time": "1:40:36", "start_time": "1:40:32", "text": "I think more because I was more insecure, than I should have been." }, { "end_time": "1:40:36", "start_time": "1:40:36", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:40:36", "start_time": "1:40:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:40:47", "start_time": "1:40:36", "text": "I I would walk into a friendship or a relationship thinking what could go wrong versus focusing on the good that it was giving me at that point." }, { "end_time": "1:40:49", "start_time": "1:40:47", "text": "That's your 34 year old speaking up." }, { "end_time": "1:40:50", "start_time": "1:40:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:40:56", "start_time": "1:40:50", "text": "Like, and dude, probably is that that is that something that switches when you hit that 30 years mark?" }, { "end_time": "1:41:03", "start_time": "1:40:57", "text": "That you you you you are able to notice weaknesses in your own character or Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:41:16", "start_time": "1:41:03", "text": "For me it's happening now because, the the general way to, you know, what I would do is when someone said something about me I did not like, I would be like, you know, very defensive about it." }, { "end_time": "1:41:19", "start_time": "1:41:17", "text": "Without thinking about it." }, { "end_time": "1:41:23", "start_time": "1:41:19", "text": "Now also I'm defensive about it, but maybe I think about it before I'm defensive." }, { "end_time": "1:41:24", "start_time": "1:41:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:41:29", "start_time": "1:41:25", "text": "And with with the relationship, what's your goal to do?" }, { "end_time": "1:41:29", "start_time": "1:41:29", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:41:29", "start_time": "1:41:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:41:32", "start_time": "1:41:29", "text": "I'm gonna be, like, pretty open here." }, { "end_time": "1:41:38", "start_time": "1:41:32", "text": "But sometimes if if I'm even dating someone, not not very seriously, but I am in a relationship with someone." }, { "end_time": "1:41:40", "start_time": "1:41:38", "text": "And I'm holding that girl's hand." }, { "end_time": "1:41:49", "start_time": "1:41:40", "text": "That's probably my best moment of the day even after the most successful or most traumatic professional experience that I've had on that particular day." }, { "end_time": "1:41:53", "start_time": "1:41:49", "text": "That's what I feel love does for the human experience, man." }, { "end_time": "1:41:53", "start_time": "1:41:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:41:54", "start_time": "1:41:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:41:54", "start_time": "1:41:54", "text": "I agree." }, { "end_time": "1:42:01", "start_time": "1:41:54", "text": "I think for me relationship goals are much less the person has to be a, b, c or d." }, { "end_time": "1:42:07", "start_time": "1:42:01", "text": "But I'm somebody who values, the ability to forgive." }, { "end_time": "1:42:08", "start_time": "1:42:07", "text": "Forgiving people a lot." }, { "end_time": "1:42:09", "start_time": "1:42:08", "text": "Because we all screw up." }, { "end_time": "1:42:09", "start_time": "1:42:09", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:42:11", "start_time": "1:42:09", "text": "Like I screw up, she's screw up." }, { "end_time": "1:42:20", "start_time": "1:42:11", "text": "So to find a person who is very forgiving and, values peace of mind as much as you, I think would be the most important thing." }, { "end_time": "1:42:25", "start_time": "1:42:20", "text": "You know, a lot of women have this assumption that most men can't stay loyal and I kind of disagree." }, { "end_time": "1:42:26", "start_time": "1:42:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:42:31", "start_time": "1:42:26", "text": "There are romantic guys out there who want to, like, you know, have like a long term." }, { "end_time": "1:42:33", "start_time": "1:42:31", "text": "Have you seen the Pixar movie up?" }, { "end_time": "1:42:33", "start_time": "1:42:33", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:42:35", "start_time": "1:42:33", "text": "It's got that old woman and an old guy." }, { "end_time": "1:42:40", "start_time": "1:42:35", "text": "I have This shows their love story from the time they were kids till the time they became old and the lady passes away." }, { "end_time": "1:42:43", "start_time": "1:42:40", "text": "The guy still loves and the whole movie is about what he does after her death." }, { "end_time": "1:42:44", "start_time": "1:42:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:42:46", "start_time": "1:42:44", "text": "Does something to fulfill one of her wishes." }, { "end_time": "1:42:46", "start_time": "1:42:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:42:48", "start_time": "1:42:46", "text": "There are guys like that out there." }, { "end_time": "1:42:48", "start_time": "1:42:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:42:56", "start_time": "1:42:48", "text": "I also I think all of these norms which we associate with the relationship are very subjective to every, relationship." }, { "end_time": "1:43:05", "start_time": "1:42:57", "text": "The key here might be to communicate what you are willing to do and what you're not willing to do and what you're hoping to get from the relationship." }, { "end_time": "1:43:10", "start_time": "1:43:06", "text": "And I feel like as long as that communication is okay, you're fine in the relationship." }, { "end_time": "1:43:13", "start_time": "1:43:10", "text": "I've done a terrible job of communicating in the past." }, { "end_time": "1:43:20", "start_time": "1:43:14", "text": "So I should not be, any kind of a protagonist to kind of like explain or talk about this." }, { "end_time": "1:43:24", "start_time": "1:43:20", "text": "No, but dude that's the nature of entrepreneurship in general." }, { "end_time": "1:43:27", "start_time": "1:43:24", "text": "If you have fucked up somewhere behind you, you're like I'm not gonna do that again." }, { "end_time": "1:43:28", "start_time": "1:43:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:43:30", "start_time": "1:43:28", "text": "Learn from my mistake because that's what made my business grow." }, { "end_time": "1:43:33", "start_time": "1:43:31", "text": "This is what will help my personal life business grow." }, { "end_time": "1:43:35", "start_time": "1:43:35", "text": "Final question." }, { "end_time": "1:43:38", "start_time": "1:43:35", "text": "We wanna make this selfish and about me man." }, { "end_time": "1:43:39", "start_time": "1:43:38", "text": "Because self obsessed YouTuber." }, { "end_time": "1:43:42", "start_time": "1:43:40", "text": "How come you opened up so much like on this show?" }, { "end_time": "1:43:44", "start_time": "1:43:42", "text": "What do you think I'm doing right?" }, { "end_time": "1:43:47", "start_time": "1:43:44", "text": "So that I can add or polish one of my weapons." }, { "end_time": "1:43:52", "start_time": "1:43:47", "text": "I think you did it last night by sitting and chatting with us till 5 in the morning." }, { "end_time": "1:44:14", "start_time": "1:43:53", "text": "So it does not feel awkward now and I think you have this, you look very genuine and you feel like you're asking a question not because it has to be asked but more because you actually want to know and there is that sense of curiosity which is endearing." }, { "end_time": "1:44:14", "start_time": "1:44:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:44:16", "start_time": "1:44:14", "text": "A friend of mine Ankur Warik who is also YouTuber." }, { "end_time": "1:44:18", "start_time": "1:44:17", "text": "He's from the startup community." }, { "end_time": "1:44:22", "start_time": "1:44:19", "text": "He had answered one of my questions during the lockdown and I was having an existential crisis." }, { "end_time": "1:44:24", "start_time": "1:44:22", "text": "I asked him what's the meaning of life?" }, { "end_time": "1:44:25", "start_time": "1:44:24", "text": "Why am I working so hard?" }, { "end_time": "1:44:30", "start_time": "1:44:25", "text": "He said that you'll never find happiness unless you define your own version of happiness." }, { "end_time": "1:44:35", "start_time": "1:44:30", "text": "And he said that his version of happiness happens when he satisfies his curiosity." }, { "end_time": "1:44:35", "start_time": "1:44:35", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:44:38", "start_time": "1:44:35", "text": "He says that keep your curiosity alive and try answering it." }, { "end_time": "1:44:41", "start_time": "1:44:38", "text": "And therefore your happiness will automatically be alive." }, { "end_time": "1:44:41", "start_time": "1:44:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:44:47", "start_time": "1:44:41", "text": "And I've had this unique position as a 27 year old to get access to you or Brettley or Glenn Maghra or Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:44:48", "start_time": "1:44:47", "text": "You know, Baman Irani." }, { "end_time": "1:44:49", "start_time": "1:44:48", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:44:51", "start_time": "1:44:49", "text": "Just such a varied buffet of people." }, { "end_time": "1:44:51", "start_time": "1:44:51", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:44:56", "start_time": "1:44:52", "text": "That I can live your lives in an hour of talking to you." }, { "end_time": "1:44:57", "start_time": "1:44:56", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:44:59", "start_time": "1:44:57", "text": "So that's very enriching for me." }, { "end_time": "1:45:09", "start_time": "1:44:59", "text": "More than money numbers, whatever the podcast is not as much for the growth of my business as it is for my own mind." }, { "end_time": "1:45:14", "start_time": "1:45:09", "text": "So that's probably what you pick up but I hope you enjoyed being on the Ranveer show Nikhil." }, { "end_time": "1:45:14", "start_time": "1:45:14", "text": "I did." }, { "end_time": "1:45:16", "start_time": "1:45:14", "text": "Thank you so much for having me." }, { "end_time": "1:45:18", "start_time": "1:45:16", "text": "Thank you for opening up so much." }, { "end_time": "1:45:20", "start_time": "1:45:18", "text": "I'm sure we will have you again on the show." }, { "end_time": "1:45:22", "start_time": "1:45:20", "text": "I'm looking forward to seeing you in Bombay again." }, { "end_time": "1:45:30", "start_time": "1:45:23", "text": "There were some topics we missed out in this but I wanna leave it that way because I feel like there's more conversations in you." }, { "end_time": "1:45:31", "start_time": "1:45:30", "text": "Thank you brother." }, { "end_time": "1:45:32", "start_time": "1:45:31", "text": "God bless you." }, { "end_time": "1:45:37", "start_time": "1:45:32", "text": "And I I hope you find everything that you're looking for because I I strongly sense you're still in the search for things." }, { "end_time": "1:45:46", "start_time": "1:45:39", "text": "And knowing the person that you are and just the way you treat people I think that those things will find you before you even go out searching." }, { "end_time": "1:45:47", "start_time": "1:45:46", "text": "So good luck with that." }, { "end_time": "1:45:48", "start_time": "1:45:47", "text": "Super." }, { "end_time": "1:45:48", "start_time": "1:45:48", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:45:49", "start_time": "1:45:48", "text": "Thank you, brother." } ] }

[ { "content": "**Task Description:** \nYou are provided with a YouTube video transcript in JSON format, where each entry is synchronized with its respective timestamp. This transcript contains the spoken text along with its start and end times. Your objective is to generate high-quality, chapter-wise segments that accurately represent key points or transitions within the video.\n\n**Transcript JSON Format:** \nThe transcript is formatted as a list of dictionaries, where each dictionary represents a spoken sentence, including its text and corresponding start and end times.\n\n**Example Transcript:** \n```json\n[\n {\n \"text\": \"The narrative in the public eye is that you left working with the Modi government because your opinions weren't heard.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:07\"\n },\n {\n \"text\": \"I want to know your side of the story.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:08\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:10\"\n },\n ...\n]\n```\n\n**Your Task:** \nUsing the given transcript, generate a JSON output that breaks down the video into meaningful chapters. Each chapter should encapsulate a key segment of the video and be accompanied by a concise, informative title that reflects the essence of that segment.\n\n**Chapter JSON Format:** \nThe output should follow this structure:\n```json\n{\n \"chapters\": [\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"title\": \"Introduction and Opening Remarks\"\n },\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:07\",\n \"title\": \"Discussing the Exit from Modi Government\"\n },\n ...\n ]\n}\n```\n\n**Requirements:** \n1. **Identify Key Segments:** Extract significant portions of the transcript that represent shifts in topic, important discussions, or transitions in conversation.\n2. **Craft Informative Titles:** Each chapter title should be clear, engaging, and directly related to the content covered in that segment.\n3. **Preserve Time Stamps:** Ensure that each chapter's `start_time` corresponds to the first instance of a key topic or segment in the transcript.\n4. **Conciseness is Key:** While titles should be descriptive, avoid making them overly lengthy. Aim for a balance between informativeness and brevity.", "role": "system" }, { "content": "{'transcripts': array([{'end_time': '0:06', 'start_time': '0:00', 'text': \"Story of Nikhil Kamath begins at age 14 when he dropped out of school and didn't really know what he's gonna do next with his life.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:16', 'start_time': '0:06', 'text': \"At age 33, he became one of the country's youngest billionaires and is the cofounder of one of the country's most respected bootstrapped startups, Zerodha.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:21', 'start_time': '0:16', 'text': \"We've already had Nitin Kamath, Nikhil's elder brother on the show speak about the story of Zerodha.\"},\n ...,\n {'end_time': '1:45:48', 'start_time': '1:45:47', 'text': 'Super.'},\n {'end_time': '1:45:48', 'start_time': '1:45:48', 'text': 'Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '1:45:49', 'start_time': '1:45:48', 'text': 'Thank you, brother.'}],\n dtype=object)}", "role": "user" }, { "content": "{'chapters': array([{'start_time': '0:00', 'title': 'Introduction'},\n {'start_time': '1:05', 'title': 'The Billionaire tag'},\n {'start_time': '3:12', 'title': 'His existential crisis'},\n {'start_time': '4:00', 'title': 'Dropping out of school'},\n {'start_time': '6:17', 'title': 'How chess helped him in life'},\n {'start_time': '9:55', 'title': 'Role of intuition in stock market'},\n {'start_time': '11:16', 'title': 'Is the stock market like gambling'},\n {'start_time': '11:57', 'title': 'Stock market in movies vs real life'},\n {'start_time': '13:07', 'title': 'His mindset when he started a career is stock market'},\n {'start_time': '16:53', 'title': 'Importance of pattern recognition in stocks'},\n {'start_time': '18:24', 'title': 'What is an equity trading'},\n {'start_time': '19:24', 'title': 'Role of trading in people psychology'},\n {'start_time': '20:10', 'title': 'Mindset of a financial expert'},\n {'start_time': '24:10', 'title': 'Why they began a tech start-up?'},\n {'start_time': '27:23', 'title': 'Is the newer generation gifted?'},\n {'start_time': '29:31', 'title': 'Fire to prove himself after dropping out'},\n {'start_time': '31:00', 'title': 'What did 19-year-old Nikhil do right?'},\n {'start_time': '33:24', 'title': 'How Zerodha happened at the right time'},\n {'start_time': '34:43', 'title': 'What is an Asset management'},\n {'start_time': '35:11', 'title': 'What is hedging'},\n {'start_time': '36:05', 'title': 'Mutual funds'},\n {'start_time': '36:49', 'title': 'PNS & Alternate management fund'},\n {'start_time': '42:29', 'title': 'How do they find ultra HNIs? (High Net Worth Individuals)'},\n {'start_time': '44:40', 'title': 'Thought process of ultra HNIs in India today'},\n {'start_time': '46:40', 'title': 'What he learned about sales'},\n {'start_time': '50:17', 'title': 'Chaos while building Zerodha'},\n {'start_time': '52:00', 'title': 'Effects on Zerodha during the pandemic'},\n {'start_time': '53:52', 'title': 'Finance advice for every 22 years old'},\n {'start_time': '57:41', 'title': 'Meaning & Relevance of crypto'},\n {'start_time': '1:03:12', 'title': 'Would he invest in crypto?'},\n {'start_time': '1:05:12', 'title': 'Ranveer & Nikhil on world & Patriotism'},\n {'start_time': '1:08:20', 'title': 'Relevance of fitness in his life'},\n {'start_time': '1:09:22', 'title': 'Twitter rapid fire'},\n {'start_time': '1:23:14', 'title': 'Happiness & his sense of spirituality'},\n {'start_time': '1:23:55', 'title': 'His insecurities'},\n {'start_time': '1:25:33', 'title': 'Life in late 20s'},\n {'start_time': '1:26:40', 'title': 'Is it scary turning 30?'},\n {'start_time': '1:27:59', 'title': 'Do guys worry about growing old?'},\n {'start_time': '1:29:03', 'title': 'Ranveer on relationships'},\n {'start_time': '1:32:24', 'title': 'Nikhil on life & relationships'},\n {'start_time': '1:36:20', 'title': \"Change in people's behavior after the Billionaire tag\"},\n {'start_time': '1:40:00', 'title': 'Change in perception after turning 30'}],\n dtype=object)}", "role": "assistant" } ]

{ "chapters": [ { "start_time": "00:00", "title": "Introduction" }, { "start_time": "02:12", "title": "On being royalty" }, { "start_time": "03:22", "title": "Childhood" }, { "start_time": "04:40", "title": "Challenges as a royal" }, { "start_time": "07:30", "title": "Simplicity vs. Royalty" }, { "start_time": "08:29", "title": "Revenue streams" }, { "start_time": "09:53", "title": "Life as a waiter and bartender" }, { "start_time": "15:13", "title": "Mentality of a warrior" }, { "start_time": "18:16", "title": "His success mantra" }, { "start_time": "19:47", "title": "His weaknesses" }, { "start_time": "21:07", "title": "His advice to everyone" }, { "start_time": "24:09", "title": "What his Royal family taught him" }, { "start_time": "28:16", "title": "His most impactful movie" }, { "start_time": "28:57", "title": "India during British rule according to him" }, { "start_time": "32:12", "title": "Life lessons for his children" }, { "start_time": "33:22", "title": "Regrets from childhood" }, { "start_time": "34:23", "title": "His lack of self-confidence" }, { "start_time": "37:10", "title": "On people who lick his *ss" }, { "start_time": "40:53", "title": "People who he keeps close" } ] }

{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:02", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "Why should you listen to a podcast in the first place?" }, { "end_time": "0:08", "start_time": "0:02", "text": "It's primarily so that you get the feeling of being in the same room that the podcast was recorded in." }, { "end_time": "0:12", "start_time": "0:08", "text": "This room was a part of the palace in Udaipur, the city palace." }, { "end_time": "0:16", "start_time": "0:13", "text": "It's the palace of a prince called Laksharaj Singh of Mewar." }, { "end_time": "0:18", "start_time": "0:17", "text": "I'm proud to say he's a friend now." }, { "end_time": "0:25", "start_time": "0:18", "text": "We became friends over the course of this podcast and my recent trip to Udaipur, which is very kind of awakening for me." }, { "end_time": "0:26", "start_time": "0:25", "text": "I'll tell you why." }, { "end_time": "0:33", "start_time": "0:26", "text": "Because if you're a modern day royal in India in 2020, 1, you have access to the best education out there." }, { "end_time": "0:38", "start_time": "0:33", "text": "2, you have access to some of the best minds who'll visit you at certain moments in your life." }, { "end_time": "0:41", "start_time": "0:38", "text": "I also feel that prince Laksharaj is an entrepreneur at heart." }, { "end_time": "0:54", "start_time": "0:42", "text": "When he was beginning his career, he decided to move to Australia, worked as a bartender, worked as a waiter, worked at the lowest rung of the hotel industry so he could come back and run the HRH group of hotels in Udaipur." }, { "end_time": "0:57", "start_time": "0:55", "text": "That's the kind of mentality that he has." }, { "end_time": "0:58", "start_time": "0:57", "text": "He's a humble guy." }, { "end_time": "0:59", "start_time": "0:58", "text": "He has a lot of perspective." }, { "end_time": "1:04", "start_time": "0:59", "text": "He's always hungry for more perspective, and he's got a lot to teach to the world." }, { "end_time": "1:12", "start_time": "1:04", "text": "So without further ado, this is my conversation with a modern day royal, Someone who kind of taught me a lot through the course of this interview." }, { "end_time": "1:18", "start_time": "1:12", "text": "So from this podcast, I want you guys to learn about what it's like being a modern day royal in modern India." }, { "end_time": "1:24", "start_time": "1:18", "text": "Keep in mind, in the city of Udaipur, he's the prince And people still worship him as a monarch." }, { "end_time": "1:27", "start_time": "1:25", "text": "He's got people surrounding him all the time." }, { "end_time": "1:29", "start_time": "1:27", "text": "He's got an entire palace to himself." }, { "end_time": "1:36", "start_time": "1:29", "text": "He's got a whole army in a way serving him because people still look up to him as the future king of Udaipur." }, { "end_time": "1:40", "start_time": "1:37", "text": "Also keep in mind, he's a great humble guy." }, { "end_time": "1:42", "start_time": "1:40", "text": "He's a brother at heart." }, { "end_time": "1:48", "start_time": "1:42", "text": "So through this podcast, through the Ranveesho, I wanna bring out the real personality of this man to show you guys that, you know what?" }, { "end_time": "1:51", "start_time": "1:48", "text": "Certain people's lives can be this way as well." }, { "end_time": "1:58", "start_time": "1:51", "text": "A direct descendant of Maharana Pratap, he's also got a lot of lessons from his family lineage." }, { "end_time": "2:00", "start_time": "1:58", "text": "So we're gonna tackle all those topics." }, { "end_time": "2:04", "start_time": "2:00", "text": "And we're gonna change you through this episode of the Ranveer Show." }, { "end_time": "2:04", "start_time": "2:04", "text": "Enjoy yourselves." }, { "end_time": "2:14", "start_time": "2:12", "text": "Welcome to the Ranveer Show, you guys." }, { "end_time": "2:19", "start_time": "2:14", "text": "I've got a very special guest today, mister Laksharaj Singh of Mewar." }, { "end_time": "2:20", "start_time": "2:19", "text": "You're the Maharana of Udaipur." }, { "end_time": "2:26", "start_time": "2:21", "text": "Like how early in your life did you get to know that you're a part of royalty and you understood the concept of royalty?" }, { "end_time": "2:28", "start_time": "2:27", "text": "Oh, very late in life." }, { "end_time": "2:28", "start_time": "2:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:29", "start_time": "2:28", "text": "Very, very late in life." }, { "end_time": "2:37", "start_time": "2:29", "text": "I think my parents did a fabulous job in keeping us completely, in a in a in a state which I think was very, very good." }, { "end_time": "2:41", "start_time": "2:37", "text": "I think we may have got a lot more flack from the outside world Like, what do you mean?" }, { "end_time": "2:46", "start_time": "2:41", "text": "For who you were, for absolutely no relevance in your mind of who you were as as a young child." }, { "end_time": "2:51", "start_time": "2:46", "text": "But when you did go to school, obviously, the others around you knew more of you than you knew of yourself." }, { "end_time": "2:54", "start_time": "2:52", "text": "So, so the question was then." }, { "end_time": "2:57", "start_time": "2:54", "text": "So you didn't just understand all of those sort of things." }, { "end_time": "3:05", "start_time": "2:57", "text": "So perhaps dealing with the outside world of who you were was a bigger challenge than being at home because I think they gave us a great upbringing." }, { "end_time": "3:13", "start_time": "3:05", "text": "And I really say that this is something which nature has a huge role to play, and everybody needs to be grateful for who they are and what they are, what what they really are." }, { "end_time": "3:17", "start_time": "3:13", "text": "And at the end of the day, as far as my identity is concerned, I'm I'm very, very proud of it." }, { "end_time": "3:22", "start_time": "3:17", "text": "And and it's just something that you have to learn to live within either yourself or the people, around you." }, { "end_time": "3:27", "start_time": "3:22", "text": "Coming back to that school phase of yours when people were noticing that, okay, there's royalty amongst us." }, { "end_time": "3:27", "start_time": "3:27", "text": "Jay." }, { "end_time": "3:29", "start_time": "3:27", "text": "Do you have any cool stories from them?" }, { "end_time": "3:30", "start_time": "3:29", "text": "Like or anything you remember?" }, { "end_time": "3:31", "start_time": "3:30", "text": "Cool." }, { "end_time": "3:35", "start_time": "3:31", "text": "It used to be more like being the chimpanzee in the zoo, you know, that everybody's come to watch." }, { "end_time": "3:45", "start_time": "3:35", "text": "And, sometimes it used to be weird and sometimes it used to be fun because most of the time you didn't realize why they were, reacting to you rather than responding to you." }, { "end_time": "3:46", "start_time": "3:45", "text": "Like, what do you mean?" }, { "end_time": "3:53", "start_time": "3:47", "text": "And, like, when you go and and you see something which is perhaps not a part of you and you have a reaction when you see something." }, { "end_time": "3:56", "start_time": "3:53", "text": "So you you felt a lot, like that when you were around, people." }, { "end_time": "4:00", "start_time": "3:56", "text": "And then you got to know some people, and then you got to make some more friends and things like that." }, { "end_time": "4:08", "start_time": "4:00", "text": "But as you said, when you first walk into school, people carry this excess baggage, and and that's something that you never knew at that early age of, of life." }, { "end_time": "4:14", "start_time": "4:08", "text": "But in terms of being more cool, I think from your perspective, it I I don't blame you, but I do think that, yes, it looks cool." }, { "end_time": "4:28", "start_time": "4:14", "text": "But when you wear, my shoes and when you go through the journey that you do and look at certain things in a certain manner, they are not as cool, and as fairy tailed in terms of what the the films may have done, from from the inside." }, { "end_time": "4:37", "start_time": "4:28", "text": "And and that's, something that, you know, you got to understand as you are walking that path because I'm a firm believer of the fact that the idea is not to go through life." }, { "end_time": "4:39", "start_time": "4:37", "text": "The the idea is to grow through life." }, { "end_time": "4:41", "start_time": "4:39", "text": "And I think these are all the things that make you grow through life." }, { "end_time": "4:46", "start_time": "4:41", "text": "Could you give, like, 3 challenges of your life that am janda would take for granted?" }, { "end_time": "4:51", "start_time": "4:47", "text": "Like, for example, once you said being, being born as who you are and it being cool." }, { "end_time": "4:54", "start_time": "4:51", "text": "So, you know, so that is something that has been taken for granted." }, { "end_time": "4:55", "start_time": "4:54", "text": "People make assumptions about it." }, { "end_time": "4:56", "start_time": "4:55", "text": "People make assumptions." }, { "end_time": "4:57", "start_time": "4:56", "text": "So that is the biggest thing." }, { "end_time": "5:00", "start_time": "4:57", "text": "It's so cool." }, { "end_time": "5:02", "start_time": "5:00", "text": "This, that, and other, and everything, and all that." }, { "end_time": "5:04", "start_time": "5:02", "text": "So they don't see the the larger spectrum." }, { "end_time": "5:07", "start_time": "5:04", "text": "They're catching the short end of the of the stick." }, { "end_time": "5:08", "start_time": "5:07", "text": "2nd thing." }, { "end_time": "5:13", "start_time": "5:09", "text": "Second thing is that, oh, you know, your parents, may be treating you differently and so on and so forth." }, { "end_time": "5:20", "start_time": "5:13", "text": "Trust the scrutiny that they put us, or at least I can tell you from my own experience that, how strict that they both have been." }, { "end_time": "5:26", "start_time": "5:20", "text": "And and rightly so, there is, being strict does not take away their love or doesn't take their affection or doesn't take away any of that." }, { "end_time": "5:38", "start_time": "5:26", "text": "So it shouldn't kind of bite into saying that they, didn't love us but the fact of the matter is being strict was, really, something that we noticed from our friends and all of that around us perhaps they got away." }, { "end_time": "5:40", "start_time": "5:38", "text": "People said dude your parents are like super strict." }, { "end_time": "5:41", "start_time": "5:41", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "5:42", "start_time": "5:41", "text": "So you know things like that." }, { "end_time": "5:49", "start_time": "5:42", "text": "So if somebody was driving without a license in your school or brought a 2 wheeler, now our parents won't allow us to do that." }, { "end_time": "5:49", "start_time": "5:49", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "5:55", "start_time": "5:49", "text": "Or that you will not go to just pick up a bike and just because you're 12 years old and you can ride a bike or you can drive a car oh, fine." }, { "end_time": "5:57", "start_time": "5:55", "text": "Take it, and here are the keys." }, { "end_time": "6:01", "start_time": "5:57", "text": "Because a lot of the children that came to school at that age brought their own, vehicles." }, { "end_time": "6:06", "start_time": "6:01", "text": "So we also went back home and said, oh, most of my friends are bringing, cars and bikes to school." }, { "end_time": "6:08", "start_time": "6:06", "text": "So the first thing that they asked, how old are they?" }, { "end_time": "6:09", "start_time": "6:08", "text": "And do they have a license?" }, { "end_time": "6:11", "start_time": "6:09", "text": "So I said, if they do, then by all means, you can take 1." }, { "end_time": "6:12", "start_time": "6:11", "text": "And then I found out." }, { "end_time": "6:15", "start_time": "6:12", "text": "And that's how I learned that at that age, you are not allowed to drive." }, { "end_time": "6:15", "start_time": "6:15", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "6:23", "start_time": "6:15", "text": "So certain parents that would just allow you to do some of those things, our parents just, didn't allow us to to do any of that." }, { "end_time": "6:24", "start_time": "6:23", "text": "So things like this, you know." }, { "end_time": "6:40", "start_time": "6:24", "text": "So there were a lot of, being, you know, things that were on the right side and, making sure that you didn't disrupt things around you and, were well within your range and limits of things that you did, and and still within that, you could enjoy a fair bit." }, { "end_time": "6:42", "start_time": "6:40", "text": "So So in a 3rd challenge." }, { "end_time": "6:42", "start_time": "6:42", "text": "Oh." }, { "end_time": "6:46", "start_time": "6:45", "text": "The pressure?" }, { "end_time": "6:47", "start_time": "6:46", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "6:47", "start_time": "6:47", "text": "Not at all." }, { "end_time": "6:51", "start_time": "6:47", "text": "I think that would be very unfair of me to say that in case if there was any pressure." }, { "end_time": "6:54", "start_time": "6:51", "text": "A lot of again, so now now you're giving me the answer." }, { "end_time": "7:00", "start_time": "6:54", "text": "So a lot of people would think for me that there is a lot of burden, but I completely disagree with that." }, { "end_time": "7:00", "start_time": "7:00", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "7:05", "start_time": "7:00", "text": "And I think if one, substitutes that word for a challenge, then perhaps yes." }, { "end_time": "7:14", "start_time": "7:05", "text": "But the straight thing that has thrown at you is that, oh, you must be underneath so much pressure, you must be underneath so much burden and this, that, and other and everything." }, { "end_time": "7:15", "start_time": "7:14", "text": "All of that, not really." }, { "end_time": "7:18", "start_time": "7:15", "text": "You know, at the end of the day, everybody has that kind of pressure." }, { "end_time": "7:25", "start_time": "7:18", "text": "But just to think that this person is constantly living underneath 100 tons of weight, I think is is, perhaps untrue." }, { "end_time": "7:29", "start_time": "7:25", "text": "So these are probably three things that come to my, mind at this point." }, { "end_time": "7:32", "start_time": "7:29", "text": "Can I stop talking to you as a podcaster and talk to you as a younger brother?" }, { "end_time": "7:34", "start_time": "7:33", "text": "Please, please." }, { "end_time": "7:34", "start_time": "7:34", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "7:34", "start_time": "7:34", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "7:36", "start_time": "7:34", "text": "I'm gonna ask you a very straightforward question." }, { "end_time": "7:39", "start_time": "7:37", "text": "With all this, how did you not become arrogant?" }, { "end_time": "7:49", "start_time": "7:45", "text": "So, you know, so that's one thing, as a as a mantra that you've always, grown up with." }, { "end_time": "7:59", "start_time": "7:49", "text": "And I, and that's certainly not a makeup that you need, when, you know, simpler things in life are far superior and far better." }, { "end_time": "8:00", "start_time": "7:59", "text": "Can you explain that deeper?" }, { "end_time": "8:07", "start_time": "8:01", "text": "It's a it's a, Nusrat Fatehli Khan Kavali, line that I have stolen and shared with you." }, { "end_time": "8:08", "start_time": "8:07", "text": "Exactly that." }, { "end_time": "8:13", "start_time": "8:08", "text": "You don't really need to put up a make believe, makeshift, throw your weight around to get recognized at all." }, { "end_time": "8:13", "start_time": "8:13", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "8:17", "start_time": "8:14", "text": "Sometimes, the ordinary things in life stand out as extraordinary." }, { "end_time": "8:24", "start_time": "8:17", "text": "And one of the greatest things as humans that we do have is being down towards being respectful to people and, being one with them." }, { "end_time": "8:28", "start_time": "8:24", "text": "And I think that's the, most beautiful thing and why not share it, you know?" }, { "end_time": "8:31", "start_time": "8:29", "text": "Do you believe in karma and rebirth?" }, { "end_time": "8:32", "start_time": "8:32", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "8:38", "start_time": "8:32", "text": "So do you sometimes look around you and ask yourself what did my soul do right to be born here?" }, { "end_time": "8:38", "start_time": "8:38", "text": "Lot of the times." }, { "end_time": "8:39", "start_time": "8:38", "text": "Lot of the times." }, { "end_time": "8:40", "start_time": "8:39", "text": "And what is your answer to that?" }, { "end_time": "8:41", "start_time": "8:40", "text": "I haven't found one yet." }, { "end_time": "8:41", "start_time": "8:41", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "8:50", "start_time": "8:41", "text": "But obviously something or another one must have done to be able to do what they're doing now, and I think everybody in their own soul should be, very grateful for who they are." }, { "end_time": "8:55", "start_time": "8:51", "text": "Is kind of my Jeevan Laker is part 3 per." }, { "end_time": "8:59", "start_time": "8:59", "text": "Correct." }, { "end_time": "9:05", "start_time": "8:59", "text": "So whoever has been given this form of being a human is certainly a matter of eternal greatness." }, { "end_time": "9:08", "start_time": "9:05", "text": "So outside of being you know what people term you as?" }, { "end_time": "9:12", "start_time": "9:08", "text": "A royal, a king, a Maharana, what would you call yourself?" }, { "end_time": "9:14", "start_time": "9:12", "text": "Would you call yourself an entrepreneur, an administrator?" }, { "end_time": "9:15", "start_time": "9:15", "text": "What No." }, { "end_time": "9:15", "start_time": "9:15", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "9:16", "start_time": "9:15", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "9:16", "start_time": "9:16", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "9:16", "start_time": "9:16", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "9:16", "start_time": "9:16", "text": "None of that." }, { "end_time": "9:17", "start_time": "9:16", "text": "None none of the above." }, { "end_time": "9:33", "start_time": "9:17", "text": "These are all roles and tags that people give you, you know, and now with the with the world that the way it is flowing, in terms of its digital world, in terms of everything else that is flowing around on this, planet, these are taglines and things that are for conveniences of people are given to you." }, { "end_time": "9:35", "start_time": "9:33", "text": "You know, you, you get up, you do a job." }, { "end_time": "9:40", "start_time": "9:35", "text": "If you ask me professionally what I do and where I make my bread and butter from, it's from the hotel industry." }, { "end_time": "9:44", "start_time": "9:40", "text": "So, I've qualified in in being a hotelier." }, { "end_time": "9:47", "start_time": "9:44", "text": "I got my degree in hospitality and tourism management." }, { "end_time": "9:51", "start_time": "9:47", "text": "That's how I look at my myself and other other things that you do do which interest you." }, { "end_time": "9:51", "start_time": "9:51", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "9:52", "start_time": "9:51", "text": "You do." }, { "end_time": "9:52", "start_time": "9:52", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "10:00", "start_time": "9:53", "text": "You know, so I read your entire profile in detail, and the one thing that stuck out to me and the one thing that appealed to me the most was, this." }, { "end_time": "10:04", "start_time": "10:00", "text": "That you work at the lowest level of the hotel industry and learned it from them." }, { "end_time": "10:05", "start_time": "10:04", "text": "But why won't you?" }, { "end_time": "10:07", "start_time": "10:06", "text": "I'll tell you what." }, { "end_time": "10:09", "start_time": "10:07", "text": "Like it is an important life skill." }, { "end_time": "10:13", "start_time": "10:09", "text": "I believe that if you're opening a startup for sweepers, you have to be a sweeper yourself." }, { "end_time": "10:14", "start_time": "10:13", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "10:17", "start_time": "10:14", "text": "But not everyone and I'm talking about mainly city kids." }, { "end_time": "10:19", "start_time": "10:17", "text": "Not everyone is ready to go that low." }, { "end_time": "10:23", "start_time": "10:20", "text": "Not everyone can eat each other at the beginning of their journeys." }, { "end_time": "10:26", "start_time": "10:23", "text": "So what was in your head right before you took that step?" }, { "end_time": "10:27", "start_time": "10:26", "text": "Exactly that." }, { "end_time": "10:32", "start_time": "10:27", "text": "That till the time you don't do it yourself, you don't know, what it's going to be like." }, { "end_time": "10:35", "start_time": "10:32", "text": "So only the shoe wearer knows, where it pinches." }, { "end_time": "10:38", "start_time": "10:35", "text": "So at the end of the day, it's important, a, to put on that shoe." }, { "end_time": "10:41", "start_time": "10:39", "text": "What you do know that everybody else is going to do." }, { "end_time": "10:42", "start_time": "10:41", "text": "And you did it with utmost joy." }, { "end_time": "10:44", "start_time": "10:42", "text": "You know, it was such a lot of fun." }, { "end_time": "10:44", "start_time": "10:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:51", "start_time": "10:45", "text": "I can't imagine doing something, and for it not to be fun within the industry or an area that you may have chosen of your choice." }, { "end_time": "10:54", "start_time": "10:51", "text": "So, you know, it's not something that somebody forced me into." }, { "end_time": "10:56", "start_time": "10:54", "text": "So it shouldn't really come out as a surprise." }, { "end_time": "11:01", "start_time": "10:56", "text": "Oh, you worked at the lowest level, or you cleaned dishes, or you washed toilets." }, { "end_time": "11:05", "start_time": "11:01", "text": "So I I I don't see, these are the sort of things that surprised me." }, { "end_time": "11:09", "start_time": "11:05", "text": "Perhaps you asking that question surprises you that, oh, you know, this is what was done." }, { "end_time": "11:20", "start_time": "11:09", "text": "But it surprises me that this is even a question in the first place because at the end of the day, if you want to become something, you need to go through a process." }, { "end_time": "11:20", "start_time": "11:20", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "11:27", "start_time": "11:20", "text": "So at the end of the day, if you want to do something, you got to follow all all the parts." }, { "end_time": "11:29", "start_time": "11:27", "text": "You need to eat food, so you need to go buy." }, { "end_time": "11:31", "start_time": "11:29", "text": "There need to be vegetables." }, { "end_time": "11:34", "start_time": "11:31", "text": "You need to clean, wash, and then will it be a complete process?" }, { "end_time": "11:42", "start_time": "11:34", "text": "So same way, if you are wanting to achieve something in life, you've got to experience, all of it at all levels and then perhaps go ahead with it." }, { "end_time": "11:53", "start_time": "11:42", "text": "So when you do speak to somebody at that level, when they're standing in front of you, you can look them in the eye and talk to them and and not be because of who you are rather than what you have done is the reason why you're able to connect to them." }, { "end_time": "11:53", "start_time": "11:53", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "11:54", "start_time": "11:53", "text": "Your experiences." }, { "end_time": "11:54", "start_time": "11:54", "text": "Precisely." }, { "end_time": "11:55", "start_time": "11:54", "text": "Precisely." }, { "end_time": "11:59", "start_time": "11:55", "text": "And and more than experiences, it's the technical know how and the skill Got it." }, { "end_time": "12:02", "start_time": "11:59", "text": "Of knowing what needs to be, done." }, { "end_time": "12:13", "start_time": "12:02", "text": "You may think that cleaning a toilet may be very simple but at the end of the day there are a lot of things that you may need to know to make sure that it's not harmful for you and it's not harmful for the person, using it." }, { "end_time": "12:15", "start_time": "12:13", "text": "So that is what is the most important bit." }, { "end_time": "12:16", "start_time": "12:15", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "12:25", "start_time": "12:16", "text": "So in your own words could you describe your whole phase working as a bartender and working at the lowest, you know, so called lowest phase of the hotel industry?" }, { "end_time": "12:26", "start_time": "12:25", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "12:28", "start_time": "12:26", "text": "Bartender is pretty high up there to be very honest." }, { "end_time": "12:28", "start_time": "12:28", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "12:28", "start_time": "12:28", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "12:32", "start_time": "12:28", "text": "I meant I meant bartender semi colon lowest phase." }, { "end_time": "12:37", "start_time": "12:33", "text": "What did it teach you about life that you didn't know prior to doing it?" }, { "end_time": "12:44", "start_time": "12:40", "text": "I think a lot of things that you just knew at the at the surface level." }, { "end_time": "12:45", "start_time": "12:45", "text": "Like?" }, { "end_time": "12:48", "start_time": "12:46", "text": "For example, dignity of labor." }, { "end_time": "12:49", "start_time": "12:49", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "12:55", "start_time": "12:49", "text": "So when you were working at the lowest level or when you were working as a bartender and all of that, you were always kind and courteous to people." }, { "end_time": "12:56", "start_time": "12:55", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "13:14", "start_time": "12:56", "text": "But when you actually went behind the the table or when you went behind areas where people did not see you and did a particular job, It kind of gave you a little bit more in-depth understanding of what it actually took from within and from, the outside and the surroundings to be able to complete a certain task Which was like what did it take from within?" }, { "end_time": "13:18", "start_time": "13:14", "text": "The fact of the matter is that, you know, you just took it as a very by the way issue." }, { "end_time": "13:20", "start_time": "13:18", "text": "You were always respectful and kind to them." }, { "end_time": "13:22", "start_time": "13:20", "text": "But, yes, it was somebody's job and they needed to do it." }, { "end_time": "13:39", "start_time": "13:22", "text": "But when you do it yourself, it's a taste that only you can you can, figure out or you can feel and understand that what it actually means when you go in there, when you do a job, you make a drink, you wash a glass, you put things back, you know, that entire flow teaches you in its own accord and to be able to explain it." }, { "end_time": "13:42", "start_time": "13:39", "text": "If somebody could have, then I perhaps wouldn't have had to do it." }, { "end_time": "13:50", "start_time": "13:42", "text": "But the fact of the matter is that when you follow an entire process is when it kind of explains to you and makes you look at them with a lot more dignity and a lot more respect." }, { "end_time": "13:50", "start_time": "13:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:54", "start_time": "13:50", "text": "So because you've been a batsman, okay, I'm going to tell you one parallel." }, { "end_time": "13:55", "start_time": "13:54", "text": "Well, at least somebody considers me to be one." }, { "end_time": "13:56", "start_time": "13:55", "text": "So thank you." }, { "end_time": "13:58", "start_time": "13:57", "text": "Because you've been a batsman." }, { "end_time": "14:02", "start_time": "13:58", "text": "I keep telling my close friends who have not been able to keep in touch with that." }, { "end_time": "14:02", "start_time": "14:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:03", "start_time": "14:02", "text": "I'm batting career life." }, { "end_time": "14:05", "start_time": "14:03", "text": "There's many businesses I'm trying to start." }, { "end_time": "14:06", "start_time": "14:05", "text": "There may things I'm trying to do with my life." }, { "end_time": "14:10", "start_time": "14:06", "text": "That's why I'm a little busy, but I will come back to the dressing room Monday." }, { "end_time": "14:11", "start_time": "14:10", "text": "And I see that in you as well." }, { "end_time": "14:12", "start_time": "14:11", "text": "You're very busy." }, { "end_time": "14:14", "start_time": "14:12", "text": "You're doing a lot of things possibly in this phase of your life." }, { "end_time": "14:23", "start_time": "14:15", "text": "So when you took up those gigs as a bartender working in the hotel industry, was it with this intention of turning your property into, like, a top quality hotel?" }, { "end_time": "14:25", "start_time": "14:23", "text": "Like, was it with that entrepreneurial mission?" }, { "end_time": "14:29", "start_time": "14:26", "text": "At the end of the day, father was already running a very successful business." }, { "end_time": "14:29", "start_time": "14:29", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "14:36", "start_time": "14:29", "text": "So the idea was to put a shoulder to the wheel, and and that is where my inspiration came in to lean towards hotels." }, { "end_time": "14:43", "start_time": "14:36", "text": "You know, when you grew up in that environment, when you were seeing your father do the, the job and be very hands on himself." }, { "end_time": "14:48", "start_time": "14:43", "text": "So, you know, subconsciously at that point in time, in your school holidays, these sort of things start sinking in." }, { "end_time": "14:56", "start_time": "14:48", "text": "You don't realize this, but subconsciously, they start sinking in your mind that, oh, you know, this is fascinating or this is interesting and so on and so forth." }, { "end_time": "15:02", "start_time": "14:56", "text": "So the idea was to be able to really come in and help somebody who was already so passionate about, certain things." }, { "end_time": "15:12", "start_time": "15:02", "text": "And, that's on that's, where you took on the journey from and started to understand the nuances and nitty gritties of how to build and how to understand so you could communicate with people at the level that they are at." }, { "end_time": "15:22", "start_time": "15:13", "text": "Without killing and without causing any harm to another physical being, do you somewhere look at yourself as a warrior, which is your Rajput heritage kicking in?" }, { "end_time": "15:24", "start_time": "15:22", "text": "As an entrepreneurial warrior?" }, { "end_time": "15:34", "start_time": "15:30", "text": "So the, answer is, within that in the 21st century, I think." }, { "end_time": "15:34", "start_time": "15:34", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "15:34", "start_time": "15:34", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "15:35", "start_time": "15:34", "text": "But okay." }, { "end_time": "15:36", "start_time": "15:35", "text": "I'll tell I'll tell you why I asked you that." }, { "end_time": "15:42", "start_time": "15:36", "text": "So I'm deep into spiritual reading and, the spiritual school I go to And all the more reason you should associate with this line." }, { "end_time": "15:42", "start_time": "15:42", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "15:43", "start_time": "15:42", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "15:43", "start_time": "15:43", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "15:52", "start_time": "15:44", "text": "But, they keep promoting the idea that you can get past any challenge in life if every single day wake up with a mentality of a warrior." }, { "end_time": "15:54", "start_time": "15:52", "text": "So that's not killing anyone or causing any harm." }, { "end_time": "15:54", "start_time": "15:54", "text": "I understand that." }, { "end_time": "15:56", "start_time": "15:54", "text": "That's overcoming your challenges." }, { "end_time": "15:56", "start_time": "15:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:56", "start_time": "15:56", "text": "Fair enough." }, { "end_time": "16:06", "start_time": "15:56", "text": "But I I don't think that, these days the way, at least for us or what we experience or what one goes through, I think one doesn't need to be that harsh subconsciously also." }, { "end_time": "16:07", "start_time": "16:07", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "16:07", "start_time": "16:07", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "16:18", "start_time": "16:07", "text": "So I I I don't think that one needs to take things off life, of a day to day challenge, of an office or entrepreneurship or working at the level of being a a warrior." }, { "end_time": "16:25", "start_time": "16:18", "text": "You know, I think, very much so you can, just be, something which is, very simple." }, { "end_time": "16:32", "start_time": "16:25", "text": "And the idea is to, dispassionately unassociate yourself and look at things for what they are Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:34", "start_time": "16:32", "text": "And and decomplicate things." }, { "end_time": "16:42", "start_time": "16:34", "text": "That itself is, and that's what I say when you sometimes let your guard down, then you let your weapons down, but that doesn't mean that you let your situational awareness down." }, { "end_time": "16:42", "start_time": "16:42", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "16:45", "start_time": "16:42", "text": "And once if you're situationally aware, you can deal with a lot of things very peacefully." }, { "end_time": "16:45", "start_time": "16:45", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "16:47", "start_time": "16:45", "text": "So, and as I say, you know, here's the peacefully." }, { "end_time": "16:48", "start_time": "16:48", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "16:48", "start_time": "16:48", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "16:51", "start_time": "16:48", "text": "So, and as I say, you know, here the idea is not to prove." }, { "end_time": "16:53", "start_time": "16:52", "text": "The idea is to improve." }, { "end_time": "16:54", "start_time": "16:54", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "16:54", "start_time": "16:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:58", "start_time": "16:54", "text": "You know, I'm not here to go, like, in school, you know, thank you for participating." }, { "end_time": "17:00", "start_time": "16:58", "text": "You get a certificate in school or thank you for participating." }, { "end_time": "17:02", "start_time": "17:00", "text": "You're not here for participation." }, { "end_time": "17:15", "start_time": "17:02", "text": "You know, these days, what we really need to do to overcome all of that and to make sure that you are able to run things in a certain manner is that you need and what is happening or what I see around me is 99% participation and 1% involvement." }, { "end_time": "17:19", "start_time": "17:15", "text": "What you need to do is 99% involvement and 1% participation." }, { "end_time": "17:22", "start_time": "17:20", "text": "Can you break that down a little more?" }, { "end_time": "17:26", "start_time": "17:23", "text": "When you look at things from the outside, it's participating." }, { "end_time": "17:30", "start_time": "17:27", "text": "When you become the thing yourself, then you are involved." }, { "end_time": "17:30", "start_time": "17:30", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "17:31", "start_time": "17:30", "text": "And that's what you really need to do." }, { "end_time": "17:40", "start_time": "17:31", "text": "So once you're involved with things, then, you know, you don't need to go to the extent of being a warrior in your mind of taking each day as a war." }, { "end_time": "17:43", "start_time": "17:40", "text": "There are days and there are challenges where you need to be a warrior." }, { "end_time": "17:43", "start_time": "17:43", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "17:44", "start_time": "17:43", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "17:49", "start_time": "17:44", "text": "When life throws certain things at you, at that point in time, you really need to kind of think that intensely." }, { "end_time": "17:50", "start_time": "17:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:56", "start_time": "17:50", "text": "But on an everyday basis, I think there is going to be a burnout because that level, in your mind is a very intense level." }, { "end_time": "17:57", "start_time": "17:56", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "17:59", "start_time": "17:57", "text": "And you can't be a frivolous war warrior." }, { "end_time": "17:59", "start_time": "17:59", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "18:05", "start_time": "17:59", "text": "A warrior is is at a certain league and it has a certain stature and there is a certain, intensity to it." }, { "end_time": "18:06", "start_time": "18:05", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "18:10", "start_time": "18:06", "text": "To be on that intensity on a 3 65 day basis is a very high level of intensity." }, { "end_time": "18:11", "start_time": "18:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:11", "start_time": "18:11", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "18:15", "start_time": "18:11", "text": "So you only pull out those things when you really need to be that." }, { "end_time": "18:15", "start_time": "18:15", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "18:19", "start_time": "18:16", "text": "What has been your success formula for all the stuff you've done now?" }, { "end_time": "18:20", "start_time": "18:19", "text": "Because you've you've grown businesses." }, { "end_time": "18:22", "start_time": "18:21", "text": "So there is a simple formula that I follow." }, { "end_time": "18:24", "start_time": "18:22", "text": "It's called g g g n." }, { "end_time": "18:24", "start_time": "18:24", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "18:28", "start_time": "18:24", "text": "So it stands for greatest good, greatest number." }, { "end_time": "18:36", "start_time": "18:28", "text": "So in life, whenever you're trying to do anything, the philosophy is to be able to do the greatest good for the greatest number possible." }, { "end_time": "18:38", "start_time": "18:36", "text": "The first thing yes, anything it may be." }, { "end_time": "18:44", "start_time": "18:38", "text": "So it's not subject or bound down to humans." }, { "end_time": "18:45", "start_time": "18:44", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "18:46", "start_time": "18:45", "text": "It's intangible." }, { "end_time": "18:51", "start_time": "18:48", "text": "And, you know, and it's very situational." }, { "end_time": "18:51", "start_time": "18:51", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "18:52", "start_time": "18:51", "text": "And it's unconventional." }, { "end_time": "18:57", "start_time": "18:53", "text": "So one is not going to try and put a theme to it, a structure to it, a fabric to it, and all of that." }, { "end_time": "18:58", "start_time": "18:57", "text": "You apply it on the moment." }, { "end_time": "18:59", "start_time": "18:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:11", "start_time": "18:59", "text": "So, for example, like now, the idea for me, if you take this, talk with you, for which I'm, very thankful to you for taking out the time and coming, my intent for this is that it needs to be the greatest talk." }, { "end_time": "19:11", "start_time": "19:11", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "19:12", "start_time": "19:11", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "19:18", "start_time": "19:12", "text": "And at the end of the day, with your number of followers, which, one may be very jealous of, but at the same time very happy." }, { "end_time": "19:23", "start_time": "19:18", "text": "In all jokes, I don't mean that seriously, but yes, is that it's for the greatest number." }, { "end_time": "19:23", "start_time": "19:23", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "19:31", "start_time": "19:23", "text": "So automatically, if you had to apply this formula, you say you applied now like what you have been doing, which fantastic, to make it more relevant and to make it more explainable." }, { "end_time": "19:42", "start_time": "19:31", "text": "So this formula for me in this moment, how what am I doing trying to do now is to talk, to you in the greatest and then the most honest and in the most transparent manner that I can." }, { "end_time": "19:44", "start_time": "19:42", "text": "So that would be the greatest good for me." }, { "end_time": "19:47", "start_time": "19:44", "text": "And and through your means, it's going to be for the greatest number." }, { "end_time": "19:47", "start_time": "19:47", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:49", "start_time": "19:47", "text": "I'm gonna come back to that brother mode now." }, { "end_time": "19:49", "start_time": "19:49", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "19:51", "start_time": "19:49", "text": "And I'm gonna ask you this." }, { "end_time": "19:54", "start_time": "19:52", "text": "I feel like you're a very self aware guy." }, { "end_time": "19:55", "start_time": "19:54", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "19:56", "start_time": "19:55", "text": "Anyone who Thank you." }, { "end_time": "19:59", "start_time": "19:56", "text": "I hope my, lovely family is listening to this." }, { "end_time": "20:03", "start_time": "19:59", "text": "So, you know, at least somebody has declared me as somebody who's self aware." }, { "end_time": "20:04", "start_time": "20:03", "text": "So that's on record now." }, { "end_time": "20:05", "start_time": "20:04", "text": "Like you're relatively self aware." }, { "end_time": "20:07", "start_time": "20:05", "text": "Well well, now you're you are going back." }, { "end_time": "20:10", "start_time": "20:07", "text": "So, you know, we'll keep it to the first one and try and delete this." }, { "end_time": "20:10", "start_time": "20:10", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "20:11", "start_time": "20:10", "text": "Hey, man." }, { "end_time": "20:12", "start_time": "20:11", "text": "I said I'm gonna talk to you as a brother." }, { "end_time": "20:14", "start_time": "20:12", "text": "So I gotta be honest." }, { "end_time": "20:14", "start_time": "20:14", "text": "Fair enough." }, { "end_time": "20:15", "start_time": "20:14", "text": "But you're pretty self aware." }, { "end_time": "20:18", "start_time": "20:15", "text": "So, We'll we'll keep that part." }, { "end_time": "20:22", "start_time": "20:19", "text": "When you analyze yourself, what do you think is your weakness?" }, { "end_time": "20:24", "start_time": "20:22", "text": "Because self aware people also know their weaknesses." }, { "end_time": "20:29", "start_time": "20:26", "text": "Like I said to you earlier, so, the levels of involvement." }, { "end_time": "20:39", "start_time": "20:29", "text": "I personally feel that to the extent of which I can push myself to be involved, I think I'm probably snacking out, slacking out on that a little bit." }, { "end_time": "20:48", "start_time": "20:39", "text": "Perhaps I'm being a little lazy or may not be taking things to the boundary or pushing them as much as I could or should be able to do it." }, { "end_time": "20:51", "start_time": "20:48", "text": "Lesser intensity than what your heart tells you to do?" }, { "end_time": "20:51", "start_time": "20:51", "text": "Perhaps." }, { "end_time": "20:52", "start_time": "20:51", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "20:58", "start_time": "20:52", "text": "Why is that I think one just gets lazy to be very simple and very honest." }, { "end_time": "21:01", "start_time": "20:58", "text": "Why I don't think there is any comprehensive concrete solid such answer." }, { "end_time": "21:02", "start_time": "21:01", "text": "One just says here fine." }, { "end_time": "21:06", "start_time": "21:03", "text": "So that perhaps can reduce." }, { "end_time": "21:18", "start_time": "21:06", "text": "You know, again, whatever people perceive you as at the end of the day that tag of, you know, royalty and all will kind of be with you for a long time." }, { "end_time": "21:23", "start_time": "21:18", "text": "So people automatically assume that when you're born into luxury, you don't have a mission." }, { "end_time": "21:26", "start_time": "21:23", "text": "But I I see a lot of fire in you as well." }, { "end_time": "21:28", "start_time": "21:26", "text": "And, like, relatively a lot of fire." }, { "end_time": "21:32", "start_time": "21:29", "text": "But, when you're born into luxury." }, { "end_time": "21:34", "start_time": "21:32", "text": "Usually the first set thing is what taken." }, { "end_time": "21:35", "start_time": "21:34", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "21:37", "start_time": "21:35", "text": "So that was the law that you guys told me." }, { "end_time": "21:38", "start_time": "21:37", "text": "Whatever is first set remains." }, { "end_time": "21:39", "start_time": "21:39", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "21:39", "start_time": "21:39", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "21:42", "start_time": "21:39", "text": "But right now in life, what is your ambition?" }, { "end_time": "21:48", "start_time": "21:42", "text": "As in at the age of 50, what is the best possible scenario for you as a person?" }, { "end_time": "21:51", "start_time": "21:49", "text": "Well, I think that's that's really too far to be very honest." }, { "end_time": "21:57", "start_time": "21:51", "text": "You know, at the end of the day, I think, it's very, very important to be, relevant." }, { "end_time": "22:04", "start_time": "21:57", "text": "And I think, a lot of people miss out on, doing things for tomorrow and letting go letting go of today." }, { "end_time": "22:07", "start_time": "22:04", "text": "You know, and that is a mistake I definitely don't want to make." }, { "end_time": "22:09", "start_time": "22:07", "text": "Like, can you explain that again?" }, { "end_time": "22:16", "start_time": "22:13", "text": "There is no question of the fact that, one should not be focused." }, { "end_time": "22:32", "start_time": "22:16", "text": "But the amount of time and, energy that one puts in for tomorrow every day and the life that goes by for that tomorrow every day, one's pretty much reached their end of that tomorrow before they've even realized that they've been able to think of their present." }, { "end_time": "22:33", "start_time": "22:32", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "22:42", "start_time": "22:33", "text": "And I've seen that happen too often, and I and I really don't want to, be like, that person that's trying a tail that's trying to chase its self." }, { "end_time": "22:46", "start_time": "22:43", "text": "And you're doing nothing else but just going round and round in circles." }, { "end_time": "22:53", "start_time": "22:46", "text": "And when you look up after going round and round and you listen, oh, I'm still right there where I didn't even begin from." }, { "end_time": "22:58", "start_time": "22:54", "text": "And life is already knocking on your doors trying to say that, listen, it's time over now." }, { "end_time": "22:59", "start_time": "22:58", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "23:01", "start_time": "22:59", "text": "So you've just seen so many people make that mistake." }, { "end_time": "23:02", "start_time": "23:01", "text": "I'd rather be now." }, { "end_time": "23:04", "start_time": "23:02", "text": "I'd rather be here in the now." }, { "end_time": "23:08", "start_time": "23:04", "text": "I'd rather enjoy myself and let my now have an impact on tomorrow." }, { "end_time": "23:08", "start_time": "23:08", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "23:11", "start_time": "23:08", "text": "Rather than leaving the now and start thinking about the tomorrow." }, { "end_time": "23:12", "start_time": "23:11", "text": "It's the way you really think of things." }, { "end_time": "23:13", "start_time": "23:12", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "23:18", "start_time": "23:13", "text": "Nobody's saying that it's a right or a wrong approach or a perspective, but each to their own." }, { "end_time": "23:21", "start_time": "23:18", "text": "People want to today think about when they are 50 by all means." }, { "end_time": "23:22", "start_time": "23:21", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "23:24", "start_time": "23:22", "text": "As a human, they have the liberty to do it." }, { "end_time": "23:26", "start_time": "23:24", "text": "They they have the right to do it." }, { "end_time": "23:27", "start_time": "23:26", "text": "They have the ability to do it." }, { "end_time": "23:33", "start_time": "23:27", "text": "But I rather do something today, which will let my years, 20 years from now be decided." }, { "end_time": "23:35", "start_time": "23:33", "text": "I I rather leave it to my actions of today." }, { "end_time": "23:41", "start_time": "23:35", "text": "So would it be fair to say that your biggest advice for the world is focus on execution of your daily tasks today?" }, { "end_time": "23:41", "start_time": "23:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:43", "start_time": "23:41", "text": "And then and then, absolutely." }, { "end_time": "23:50", "start_time": "23:43", "text": "And let the time of the future be decided by the task that you executed today because that is also going to mature." }, { "end_time": "23:56", "start_time": "23:51", "text": "It's not going to be something that you're going to execute today and it's going to have a result back into you in the next minute." }, { "end_time": "23:57", "start_time": "23:56", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "23:58", "start_time": "23:57", "text": "That's also going to take a process." }, { "end_time": "24:00", "start_time": "23:58", "text": "It's also going to take its toll." }, { "end_time": "24:02", "start_time": "24:00", "text": "It's also going to take some time, good or bad." }, { "end_time": "24:04", "start_time": "24:02", "text": "But that's the call that you have chosen to make." }, { "end_time": "24:08", "start_time": "24:04", "text": "And then let that call, mature in that time to come and enjoy it." }, { "end_time": "24:09", "start_time": "24:08", "text": "Have you seen Kabikushi Kabikam?" }, { "end_time": "24:10", "start_time": "24:10", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "24:11", "start_time": "24:10", "text": "Do you like that movie?" }, { "end_time": "24:12", "start_time": "24:12", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "24:13", "start_time": "24:12", "text": "You remember it." }, { "end_time": "24:13", "start_time": "24:13", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "24:13", "start_time": "24:13", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "24:16", "start_time": "24:13", "text": "You remember Amitabh Bachchan going Raichand Raichand." }, { "end_time": "24:18", "start_time": "24:17", "text": "That was his family's name." }, { "end_time": "24:18", "start_time": "24:18", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "24:22", "start_time": "24:18", "text": "So that way when you were a young adult Yes." }, { "end_time": "24:30", "start_time": "24:22", "text": "What values did your family teach you where they told you that, listen, this is something that should never leave, like, you know, our family's lineage?" }, { "end_time": "24:30", "start_time": "24:30", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "24:34", "start_time": "24:30", "text": "So with that, name of Raichand, you reminded me something that my family told me." }, { "end_time": "24:39", "start_time": "24:35", "text": "Knowing you now, in this little span of time, you'll ask me, explain it to me." }, { "end_time": "24:41", "start_time": "24:39", "text": "So I'd rather just get straight into it and explain it to you." }, { "end_time": "24:42", "start_time": "24:41", "text": "That's right." }, { "end_time": "24:44", "start_time": "24:42", "text": "I'm all about the deep life." }, { "end_time": "24:46", "start_time": "24:45", "text": "So there are 5 types of chans." }, { "end_time": "24:47", "start_time": "24:46", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "24:47", "start_time": "24:47", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "24:50", "start_time": "24:47", "text": "So, one is a." }, { "end_time": "24:51", "start_time": "24:50", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "24:53", "start_time": "24:51", "text": "The person who only gives you advices." }, { "end_time": "24:54", "start_time": "24:54", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "24:58", "start_time": "24:54", "text": "And somebody will come and give you an advice in, how to build a house." }, { "end_time": "25:07", "start_time": "24:59", "text": "But the moment you ask that person, so the first response will be, Right?" }, { "end_time": "25:08", "start_time": "25:07", "text": "So those are raichans." }, { "end_time": "25:13", "start_time": "25:08", "text": "People who have never built a house in their entire life themselves or know nothing about it." }, { "end_time": "25:14", "start_time": "25:14", "text": "But." }, { "end_time": "25:16", "start_time": "25:15", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "25:18", "start_time": "25:16", "text": "So those are people you got to be very, very careful about." }, { "end_time": "25:23", "start_time": "25:18", "text": "The second type of chanda that comes into this being is, Hukam chanda." }, { "end_time": "25:24", "start_time": "25:23", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "25:32", "start_time": "25:24", "text": "Jo seem, they seem in their own mind and to the others who are slightly elevated from these raichand people." }, { "end_time": "25:35", "start_time": "25:32", "text": "They consider themselves a notch higher." }, { "end_time": "25:37", "start_time": "25:35", "text": "These are people who give advises." }, { "end_time": "25:38", "start_time": "25:37", "text": "We just give orders." }, { "end_time": "25:38", "start_time": "25:38", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "25:42", "start_time": "25:40", "text": "You know, so that is a hokam chan." }, { "end_time": "25:46", "start_time": "25:42", "text": "The person who's just given a order." }, { "end_time": "25:50", "start_time": "25:46", "text": "So, you know, so these are 2 chans that you'll be very, very careful about." }, { "end_time": "26:02", "start_time": "25:51", "text": "The 3rd chan that comes in is the gyan chand, you know, who thinks themselves You know, they are both fighting." }, { "end_time": "26:03", "start_time": "26:02", "text": "Let them be." }, { "end_time": "26:08", "start_time": "26:03", "text": "Let me open my own school and my own which is gyan." }, { "end_time": "26:08", "start_time": "26:08", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "26:09", "start_time": "26:08", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "26:14", "start_time": "26:09", "text": "So they will start quoting the various books and so on and so forth." }, { "end_time": "26:21", "start_time": "26:14", "text": "And then the first thing you ask them, Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "26:24", "start_time": "26:21", "text": "So they think themselves to be the biggest gyanis Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "26:29", "start_time": "26:25", "text": "Of this entire, universe, and they'll be the gyan chans of life." }, { "end_time": "26:30", "start_time": "26:29", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "26:42", "start_time": "26:30", "text": "The 4th chan that you got to be very, very careful of is the who think that these 3 are absolute fools, and the only thing that one knows is me because I'm the most, clever of the lot." }, { "end_time": "26:43", "start_time": "26:42", "text": "So I'm the." }, { "end_time": "26:52", "start_time": "26:43", "text": "So you said, great granddaddy is me, and I'm Hushyarchan." }, { "end_time": "26:57", "start_time": "26:53", "text": "So he will be a mixture of all those 3, the 4th one." }, { "end_time": "27:00", "start_time": "26:57", "text": "So the idea is not to be any of the 4." }, { "end_time": "27:04", "start_time": "27:01", "text": "The idea is to be the 5th, which is Karam Chant." }, { "end_time": "27:04", "start_time": "27:04", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "27:09", "start_time": "27:04", "text": "You do your business, you do what you need to do, and you'll be happy with it." }, { "end_time": "27:14", "start_time": "27:09", "text": "And let all these 4 Chants live in their own delusionary world and not bother." }, { "end_time": "27:17", "start_time": "27:14", "text": "And you keep doing your, Karam as they say." }, { "end_time": "27:23", "start_time": "27:23", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "27:26", "start_time": "27:24", "text": "Is that the advice you got from your family?" }, { "end_time": "27:26", "start_time": "27:26", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "27:27", "start_time": "27:26", "text": "In a nutshell." }, { "end_time": "27:27", "start_time": "27:27", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "27:32", "start_time": "27:27", "text": "So if you would have asked me what does it mean, explain it to me, then this is what the explanation is." }, { "end_time": "27:33", "start_time": "27:32", "text": "Reverse answer." }, { "end_time": "27:39", "start_time": "27:33", "text": "So so not to be any of these people, but focus on what you need to what you need to do and be the Karamchand." }, { "end_time": "27:43", "start_time": "27:42", "text": "Direct descendant of Marana Pratap." }, { "end_time": "27:50", "start_time": "27:43", "text": "So do you think that this is the message that's been passed on the generations also that you Okay." }, { "end_time": "27:58", "start_time": "27:51", "text": "There's no question about the message that's been passed on the generations also that you Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "27:59", "start_time": "27:58", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "28:00", "start_time": "27:59", "text": "There is no question about it." }, { "end_time": "28:10", "start_time": "28:00", "text": "You know, at the end of the day, it's a message that is going to be passed in any, family, that is conscious of, doing the right thing." }, { "end_time": "28:11", "start_time": "28:10", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "28:11", "start_time": "28:11", "text": "Execution." }, { "end_time": "28:12", "start_time": "28:11", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "28:15", "start_time": "28:12", "text": "Otherwise, we wouldn't have been floating on this planet for 1500 years." }, { "end_time": "28:23", "start_time": "28:15", "text": "So what is your, you know, life's most impactful three movies, which have had, like, the deepest impact on you as a person?" }, { "end_time": "28:25", "start_time": "28:23", "text": "There's a first film is called Dosti." }, { "end_time": "28:28", "start_time": "28:25", "text": "The second film is called Dosti, and the third film is called Dosti." }, { "end_time": "28:29", "start_time": "28:28", "text": "It was shot in the sixties." }, { "end_time": "28:29", "start_time": "28:29", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "28:31", "start_time": "28:29", "text": "And it's a fantastic film." }, { "end_time": "28:31", "start_time": "28:31", "text": "What's it about?" }, { "end_time": "28:32", "start_time": "28:32", "text": "Dosti." }, { "end_time": "28:34", "start_time": "28:32", "text": "Could you explain it a little more?" }, { "end_time": "28:36", "start_time": "28:34", "text": "For that, you really need to watch the film." }, { "end_time": "28:37", "start_time": "28:36", "text": "It's all about friendship." }, { "end_time": "28:41", "start_time": "28:37", "text": "And it tells you a lot of parameters, and and teaches you a lot about life." }, { "end_time": "28:43", "start_time": "28:41", "text": "Sometimes cinema does do good, may not be all the time." }, { "end_time": "28:45", "start_time": "28:43", "text": "We won't go down that route just now." }, { "end_time": "28:55", "start_time": "28:45", "text": "But, but, yes, sometimes they do have a great impact on you, and I think this is certainly one such film, that, you know, done in a very ordinary manner, but has an extraordinary impact." }, { "end_time": "29:00", "start_time": "28:56", "text": "So when you look around you I'm just talking about Udaipur for now." }, { "end_time": "29:02", "start_time": "29:00", "text": "When you look around you, what do you feel when you see Udaipur?" }, { "end_time": "29:04", "start_time": "29:03", "text": "A place where you can hear silence." }, { "end_time": "29:06", "start_time": "29:06", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "29:12", "start_time": "29:10", "text": "What do you feel about your home?" }, { "end_time": "29:13", "start_time": "29:12", "text": "Exactly that." }, { "end_time": "29:13", "start_time": "29:13", "text": "It is home." }, { "end_time": "29:20", "start_time": "29:13", "text": "How home is to everyone that at the end of the day, a place where you can actually listen to silence and interpret what it's trying to say." }, { "end_time": "29:27", "start_time": "29:20", "text": "It's a place where you can be with your family, you can be with your loved ones, you can be with your children, you can be with your girlfriend, you can be with your wife, you can be here alone." }, { "end_time": "29:27", "start_time": "29:27", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "29:28", "start_time": "29:27", "text": "You'll have peace here." }, { "end_time": "29:29", "start_time": "29:28", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "29:34", "start_time": "29:29", "text": "Have you ever had a conversation with your granddad about what it was like during British times?" }, { "end_time": "29:38", "start_time": "29:34", "text": "Unfortunately, my grandfather passed away before I was born." }, { "end_time": "29:43", "start_time": "29:38", "text": "So I didn't, that is one of my regrets of my life but again something that is not in your control." }, { "end_time": "29:46", "start_time": "29:43", "text": "But But any of your elder relatives, have you spoken to them about?" }, { "end_time": "29:47", "start_time": "29:46", "text": "Well, constantly." }, { "end_time": "29:48", "start_time": "29:47", "text": "How things were different?" }, { "end_time": "29:49", "start_time": "29:48", "text": "Constantly." }, { "end_time": "29:49", "start_time": "29:49", "text": "Constantly." }, { "end_time": "29:52", "start_time": "29:49", "text": "1st and foremost, we were never subservient to the English." }, { "end_time": "29:53", "start_time": "29:52", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "29:56", "start_time": "29:53", "text": "So, one of the areas that never came underneath the British rule Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:57", "start_time": "29:56", "text": "Or the make mobile rule." }, { "end_time": "29:58", "start_time": "29:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:00", "start_time": "29:58", "text": "So which is something that we pride ourselves about." }, { "end_time": "30:03", "start_time": "30:00", "text": "That is our greatest wealth, which is our self respect and our dignity." }, { "end_time": "30:03", "start_time": "30:03", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "30:08", "start_time": "30:03", "text": "You know, that was something that was never for sale and was never given up at any any cost." }, { "end_time": "30:08", "start_time": "30:08", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:08", "start_time": "30:08", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:12", "start_time": "30:09", "text": "You know, so that was that was not up for auction." }, { "end_time": "30:22", "start_time": "30:12", "text": "So, so that is the greatest thing that we've ever spoken about was exactly that that they may have been floating around in this country, but they were never able to have 100% rule on this country Right." }, { "end_time": "30:34", "start_time": "30:22", "text": "Was because of a certain family that did not allow them to take over, their particular place or whatever the consequences may be or whatever they may have thrown at us at that, perhaps at that point in time." }, { "end_time": "30:44", "start_time": "30:34", "text": "And something that I share with a lot pride and, you know, help to, clear a lot of cobwebs in people's mind through your channel is the fact that we were the first family to merge in the Republic of India as well." }, { "end_time": "30:45", "start_time": "30:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:48", "start_time": "30:45", "text": "We were the first state to say that let's make a Republic of India." }, { "end_time": "30:48", "start_time": "30:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:51", "start_time": "30:48", "text": "So which is something that we, pride ourselves on." }, { "end_time": "30:59", "start_time": "30:51", "text": "So, my grandfather, my great grandfather, had the opportunity of going to the Red Fort, hoisting the national flag, and declaring India independent." }, { "end_time": "31:09", "start_time": "30:59", "text": "Now that is something that, you know, we, take pride in in being able to share this beautiful country and its heritage and its lineage with, the rest of the world." }, { "end_time": "31:15", "start_time": "31:09", "text": "Were there monarchs back then, like, when India just become independent, who weren't completely willing to become a part of the republic?" }, { "end_time": "31:17", "start_time": "31:15", "text": "That's that's what history tells you." }, { "end_time": "31:19", "start_time": "31:17", "text": "On on a human level, what do you think was they thinking?" }, { "end_time": "31:21", "start_time": "31:20", "text": "Not on a political level." }, { "end_time": "31:22", "start_time": "31:21", "text": "I'm I'm I'm not them." }, { "end_time": "31:34", "start_time": "31:22", "text": "So, to be very honest, that was not something that we did, neither do we understand that, we didn't understand it then, nor did my forefathers understand their philosophy or their thought process or their approach then." }, { "end_time": "31:45", "start_time": "31:34", "text": "And we don't understand it 70 years hence of India's independence either because, Mahana Pratap's first battle or first fight was for independence." }, { "end_time": "31:53", "start_time": "31:45", "text": "So the word Swatantra was given birth during his famous war of Haldighati, is where the word independence came in." }, { "end_time": "32:04", "start_time": "31:53", "text": "So Mewar has been wanting independence, for a very long time, which finally came in in 1947 through different, rules, through different reigns, through different people that came from the outside." }, { "end_time": "32:11", "start_time": "32:05", "text": "And finally, an independent India was, was born, which is all what we have always wanted to to have." }, { "end_time": "32:11", "start_time": "32:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:13", "start_time": "32:12", "text": "So you have kids now?" }, { "end_time": "32:13", "start_time": "32:13", "text": "Jay." }, { "end_time": "32:17", "start_time": "32:13", "text": "But if you could only pass on one life lesson to your kids, what would that life lesson be?" }, { "end_time": "32:19", "start_time": "32:17", "text": "Be who they are and want to be." }, { "end_time": "32:20", "start_time": "32:19", "text": "Like explain that?" }, { "end_time": "32:21", "start_time": "32:20", "text": "Exactly that." }, { "end_time": "32:22", "start_time": "32:21", "text": "Just be yourself." }, { "end_time": "32:22", "start_time": "32:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:23", "start_time": "32:22", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "32:28", "start_time": "32:23", "text": "Without me trying to govern their life or teaching them, what to do." }, { "end_time": "32:30", "start_time": "32:28", "text": "The idea is that they are already intelligent." }, { "end_time": "32:33", "start_time": "32:30", "text": "We need to understand the fact that they are our teachers." }, { "end_time": "32:34", "start_time": "32:33", "text": "We are not their teachers." }, { "end_time": "32:36", "start_time": "32:34", "text": "We are going to make them dumber by teaching them." }, { "end_time": "32:42", "start_time": "32:36", "text": "And today, if we could open a school, I would open a school for parents of our age rather than sending these kids to school Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:43", "start_time": "32:42", "text": "Because they are born superintelligent." }, { "end_time": "32:45", "start_time": "32:44", "text": "They are exceptionally sensitive." }, { "end_time": "32:47", "start_time": "32:46", "text": "They are aware of their surroundings." }, { "end_time": "32:49", "start_time": "32:48", "text": "They know what they want." }, { "end_time": "32:59", "start_time": "32:49", "text": "Our job is to be able to nurture and flourish them, and help them and aid them to be what they want to be rather than from our side, oh, you shouldn't do this and you shouldn't do this and you shouldn't do this." }, { "end_time": "33:03", "start_time": "32:59", "text": "So they don't from our vocabulary, vis a vis them, should get deleted." }, { "end_time": "33:09", "start_time": "33:03", "text": "Obviously, one doesn't mean it in a manner when they're standing somewhere dangerously and not saying no to them." }, { "end_time": "33:15", "start_time": "33:09", "text": "But otherwise, the idea is that what they want to do in their daily life should just be really, encouraged." }, { "end_time": "33:21", "start_time": "33:15", "text": "And when you have certain times when you just let things be natural and don't poke and prod them, they flourish better." }, { "end_time": "33:29", "start_time": "33:21", "text": "So, you know, when a human is younger in general, it's a natural human tendency to be a little more fiery, little more hormones flying around." }, { "end_time": "33:29", "start_time": "33:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:32", "start_time": "33:29", "text": "So is there anything from your youth that I won't say regret." }, { "end_time": "33:33", "start_time": "33:32", "text": "Regret is a strong word." }, { "end_time": "33:36", "start_time": "33:33", "text": "But is there anything from your youth that you look back and say, you know, maybe shouldn't have thought like that." }, { "end_time": "33:37", "start_time": "33:36", "text": "Maybe shouldn't have been married." }, { "end_time": "33:39", "start_time": "33:38", "text": "Me old already by that story." }, { "end_time": "33:39", "start_time": "33:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:40", "start_time": "33:39", "text": "Pretty much." }, { "end_time": "33:42", "start_time": "33:41", "text": "Oh, thank god." }, { "end_time": "33:45", "start_time": "33:44", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "33:55", "start_time": "33:45", "text": "I I don't I think it's it's all that is all a part of now my experience, and I don't think that there is anything, then, that I would feel that I have, not got on me just now." }, { "end_time": "33:56", "start_time": "33:55", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "34:11", "start_time": "33:56", "text": "Certain things in life, way it may have been featured or, the way it unfolded may not have allowed me to do certain things, But, there isn't anything now that, one feels that one cannot do or achieve or not willing to do with the experience that you have." }, { "end_time": "34:19", "start_time": "34:11", "text": "And this may again change dynamically a year later, 6 months later, 5 years later depending on which point or junction of life that you may be at." }, { "end_time": "34:20", "start_time": "34:19", "text": "Crazy." }, { "end_time": "34:22", "start_time": "34:20", "text": "And I'm gonna ask a little shameless question." }, { "end_time": "34:22", "start_time": "34:22", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "34:23", "start_time": "34:22", "text": "Please." }, { "end_time": "34:28", "start_time": "34:23", "text": "Did you get a lot of female attention back in the day for being a prince or a king?" }, { "end_time": "34:36", "start_time": "34:28", "text": "Well, you would probably not believe this, but in this I can be confident of my family of actually saying the truth." }, { "end_time": "34:38", "start_time": "34:36", "text": "I was a very very shy person." }, { "end_time": "34:42", "start_time": "34:38", "text": "I would look for a corner in a round room, you know, which is which is absolutely a fact." }, { "end_time": "34:52", "start_time": "34:42", "text": "Even if you did get a lot of attention at that point in time, you know, it just didn't and I went to an all boys school, a boarding school, which clearly didn't help the question that you just asked." }, { "end_time": "34:58", "start_time": "34:52", "text": "So, and and and post that, as I said, I was exceptionally a shy, shyer person." }, { "end_time": "35:04", "start_time": "34:58", "text": "And then, you know, as things progressed, you kind of understood things better and differently and all of that." }, { "end_time": "35:15", "start_time": "35:04", "text": "But, yes, I think the prime time of it one was, you know, just looking at friends who were like you and would give you company to get too busy as if talking to yourself so that you didn't have to talk to somebody else." }, { "end_time": "35:16", "start_time": "35:15", "text": "You were introverted back then?" }, { "end_time": "35:17", "start_time": "35:17", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "35:20", "start_time": "35:17", "text": "How did you become this extroverted person that you are?" }, { "end_time": "35:29", "start_time": "35:21", "text": "For the pure reason that a lot of people thought that, you know, one was being arrogant, one was trying to be rude, but they did not understand the fact that one was just being shy." }, { "end_time": "35:35", "start_time": "35:30", "text": "And and it was a wrong message that was just being sent that, oh, you know, this person doesn't want to talk or doesn't want to say hello." }, { "end_time": "35:38", "start_time": "35:35", "text": "They think, something else or being just being rude." }, { "end_time": "35:39", "start_time": "35:38", "text": "Whereas it was nowhere anywhere close to it." }, { "end_time": "35:42", "start_time": "35:39", "text": "I was just really not confident in talking to someone." }, { "end_time": "35:43", "start_time": "35:42", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "35:43", "start_time": "35:43", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "35:50", "start_time": "35:43", "text": "So that kind of gave me the motivation rather than it being a disadvantage or that it want that situation being very, very negative towards me." }, { "end_time": "35:55", "start_time": "35:50", "text": "I thought might as well try and convert that into, into an advantage and try and do something about it." }, { "end_time": "36:06", "start_time": "35:55", "text": "And then slowly, slowly, slowly, baby steps, one thing at a time allowed you to to grow and, not let that other person feel that you are being rude, but, it's just that that's how you were." }, { "end_time": "36:13", "start_time": "36:06", "text": "So a lack of confidence usually arises from something that happened in your childhood or some image you have of yourself in your own head." }, { "end_time": "36:15", "start_time": "36:13", "text": "So what was that for you which you overcame?" }, { "end_time": "36:19", "start_time": "36:16", "text": "I I think I was very comfortable in my own company, which I still am." }, { "end_time": "36:19", "start_time": "36:19", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "36:22", "start_time": "36:19", "text": "So now you're I'm just able to divide the 2 better." }, { "end_time": "36:23", "start_time": "36:23", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "36:25", "start_time": "36:23", "text": "So even if I want to spend time with myself, I'll still do that today." }, { "end_time": "36:28", "start_time": "36:25", "text": "But it won't be at the cost of being rude to you." }, { "end_time": "36:28", "start_time": "36:28", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "36:31", "start_time": "36:28", "text": "That if I didn't want to talk to you, I I wouldn't know how to avoid you." }, { "end_time": "36:33", "start_time": "36:31", "text": "And now I won't know what to do." }, { "end_time": "36:36", "start_time": "36:33", "text": "And, you know, so, you know, you could get caught up in that mess." }, { "end_time": "36:52", "start_time": "36:36", "text": "Now you don't get caught up in that mess You are able to handle that situation better So if I need to be with you here and I need to talk to you and I need to be who I need to be and what I need to be then I might as well do it and do it properly So that, you know, at the end of the day you don't hurt anybody's feelings, you don't disrespect someone that is very, very important." }, { "end_time": "36:59", "start_time": "36:52", "text": "I think unintentionally people were just getting disrespected and they didn't realize that, that that was the that was the case." }, { "end_time": "37:02", "start_time": "36:59", "text": "So you just manage the two sides, well now." }, { "end_time": "37:05", "start_time": "37:02", "text": "Today, if I need to spend some time with myself, nobody is stopping me to spend time with myself." }, { "end_time": "37:08", "start_time": "37:05", "text": "I can do that as well and I don't need to run away from people." }, { "end_time": "37:10", "start_time": "37:08", "text": "So I have the best of both worlds." }, { "end_time": "37:11", "start_time": "37:10", "text": "How do you spot bootlickers?" }, { "end_time": "37:13", "start_time": "37:12", "text": "What does that even mean?" }, { "end_time": "37:14", "start_time": "37:13", "text": "Like someone who sucks up to you." }, { "end_time": "37:17", "start_time": "37:14", "text": "Oh, oh, very, very easily now." }, { "end_time": "37:22", "start_time": "37:17", "text": "You know, it's just one of those things that that's what you learn, you know, sitting where you sit, you meet so many thousands of people every day." }, { "end_time": "37:22", "start_time": "37:22", "text": "From childhood?" }, { "end_time": "37:22", "start_time": "37:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "37:23", "start_time": "37:22", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "37:25", "start_time": "37:23", "text": "So what what was the formula?" }, { "end_time": "37:26", "start_time": "37:25", "text": "There was no formula." }, { "end_time": "37:30", "start_time": "37:26", "text": "You know, people would just try and come and these days a lot of those tactics have started to change." }, { "end_time": "37:42", "start_time": "37:30", "text": "So you have to keep up with the trend of how people do that job differently every day, you know, so you that is a part that I go to and get that experience for free completely, you know." }, { "end_time": "37:45", "start_time": "37:42", "text": "But can can you give us a viewpoint from that side of the court?" }, { "end_time": "37:46", "start_time": "37:45", "text": "Like, what are you seeing?" }, { "end_time": "38:07", "start_time": "38:07", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "38:10", "start_time": "38:07", "text": "So sometimes now this has two sides to the edge." }, { "end_time": "38:12", "start_time": "38:10", "text": "You know, sometimes that may be absolutely correct." }, { "end_time": "38:12", "start_time": "38:12", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "38:15", "start_time": "38:12", "text": "I'm not known for my, dressing sense at all." }, { "end_time": "38:23", "start_time": "38:15", "text": "And sometimes that just has got to do with somebody, you know, trying to, say a negative to you to be able to get you Closer to them." }, { "end_time": "38:27", "start_time": "38:24", "text": "Closer to them to saying, oh, you know, this person has actually said something that other people won't." }, { "end_time": "38:33", "start_time": "38:27", "text": "So they want to use that card to be able to present something that they would feel that usually people won't say." }, { "end_time": "38:36", "start_time": "38:34", "text": "So, you know, so you've got to be very conscious of the fact." }, { "end_time": "38:40", "start_time": "38:36", "text": "You know, sometimes when people sitting with their arms closed may just be hugging themselves." }, { "end_time": "38:40", "start_time": "38:40", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "38:45", "start_time": "38:41", "text": "And sometimes people sitting with their arms closed may be being actually closed." }, { "end_time": "38:55", "start_time": "38:45", "text": "Now that is something you've got to be careful of the fact that is it something that is just an emotional physical touch to yourself, or is it somebody who's actually being closed?" }, { "end_time": "39:03", "start_time": "38:55", "text": "Now that depends on your levels of expertise, knowledge, depth, understanding, to be able to perceive a situation and not jump to conclusion." }, { "end_time": "39:07", "start_time": "39:03", "text": "And you may be able to come out to a conclusion that we maybe, maybe not." }, { "end_time": "39:29", "start_time": "39:22", "text": "Know, there are a lot of people who come who like to have their arms around themselves and they just like to be, you know, feeling comfortable and and hug themselves." }, { "end_time": "39:33", "start_time": "39:29", "text": "And, you know, that's something that we should be open to be able to see." }, { "end_time": "39:34", "start_time": "39:33", "text": "But you do study body language?" }, { "end_time": "39:38", "start_time": "39:34", "text": "Oh, by now, it just becomes first nature to you." }, { "end_time": "39:42", "start_time": "39:38", "text": "You know, by default, a lot of these things that just your antennas just go up." }, { "end_time": "39:52", "start_time": "39:42", "text": "You know, a lot of these things you just end end up noticing, not because you want to, but it's just because your eyes have just got trained that way." }, { "end_time": "39:53", "start_time": "39:52", "text": "Your ears just stand up." }, { "end_time": "39:58", "start_time": "39:53", "text": "Even if you may not be looking at something, but if something's being spoken, your ears would just, stand up on on certain things." }, { "end_time": "40:04", "start_time": "39:58", "text": "So these things happen when you are in a certain scenario, certain space, and and it just teaches you from there on." }, { "end_time": "40:08", "start_time": "40:04", "text": "And the flip side question, what do you enjoy about certain people?" }, { "end_time": "40:10", "start_time": "40:08", "text": "Like, why do you go like, okay, I can be friends with this person?" }, { "end_time": "40:11", "start_time": "40:10", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "40:11", "start_time": "40:11", "text": "Because of that reason." }, { "end_time": "40:13", "start_time": "40:11", "text": "It's entertainment for free." }, { "end_time": "40:13", "start_time": "40:13", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "40:13", "start_time": "40:13", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "40:15", "start_time": "40:13", "text": "I'm not I'm not saying friends with the bootleggers." }, { "end_time": "40:15", "start_time": "40:15", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "40:18", "start_time": "40:15", "text": "I'm saying the actual They think that you are their friends." }, { "end_time": "40:18", "start_time": "40:18", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "40:19", "start_time": "40:18", "text": "I may not be." }, { "end_time": "40:22", "start_time": "40:19", "text": "So from your side, I'm giving you the answer." }, { "end_time": "40:24", "start_time": "40:22", "text": "You think I am your friend, but I may not be." }, { "end_time": "40:26", "start_time": "40:24", "text": "But I may be just a I don't think you're your friend." }, { "end_time": "40:27", "start_time": "40:26", "text": "I think you're my brother." }, { "end_time": "40:32", "start_time": "40:27", "text": "That's that's a very intense and a very, fond association." }, { "end_time": "40:42", "start_time": "40:32", "text": "But, yes, exactly from from a perspective of somebody who's come up to, you know, keep you on the right side for the wrong reasons, exactly that they'll come and start telling you stuff." }, { "end_time": "40:43", "start_time": "40:42", "text": "But I'm gonna give you some advice." }, { "end_time": "40:44", "start_time": "40:43", "text": "Gee." }, { "end_time": "40:48", "start_time": "40:44", "text": "I think you're not really well dressed today, and I'm only telling you this." }, { "end_time": "40:50", "start_time": "40:48", "text": "So no." }, { "end_time": "40:51", "start_time": "40:50", "text": "I'm kidding." }, { "end_time": "40:51", "start_time": "40:51", "text": "I'm kidding." }, { "end_time": "40:52", "start_time": "40:51", "text": "You know, I'm kidding." }, { "end_time": "40:53", "start_time": "40:52", "text": "But okay." }, { "end_time": "40:56", "start_time": "40:53", "text": "I I I actually wanna know the people you genuinely select to be around you." }, { "end_time": "40:58", "start_time": "40:57", "text": "Is it the good energy you sense from them?" }, { "end_time": "40:59", "start_time": "40:58", "text": "Like, okay." }, { "end_time": "41:00", "start_time": "40:59", "text": "This person is not a bootlego." }, { "end_time": "41:02", "start_time": "41:02", "text": "Like a." }, { "end_time": "41:02", "start_time": "41:02", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "41:02", "start_time": "41:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "41:03", "start_time": "41:02", "text": "You know, it's not it's not like that at all." }, { "end_time": "41:04", "start_time": "41:03", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "41:07", "start_time": "41:04", "text": "At the end of the day, you got to be very, very open." }, { "end_time": "41:10", "start_time": "41:07", "text": "You cannot be closed on these things because you don't know." }, { "end_time": "41:21", "start_time": "41:13", "text": "And you need to not be looking at them and making the same mistake like they make for me and thinking of them with that excess baggage in in mind." }, { "end_time": "41:26", "start_time": "41:21", "text": "Otherwise, if you ask me, I my my I have my childhood friends who I've known for 30 years, and I hang out with them." }, { "end_time": "41:29", "start_time": "41:26", "text": "So there is really no that so that is one compartment." }, { "end_time": "41:33", "start_time": "41:30", "text": "But at the end of the day, does that mean that do I close the doors on the rest of the world?" }, { "end_time": "41:34", "start_time": "41:33", "text": "Not at all." }, { "end_time": "41:34", "start_time": "41:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "41:34", "start_time": "41:34", "text": "Yeah?" }, { "end_time": "41:38", "start_time": "41:35", "text": "So, and that won't allow me a meeting with you." }, { "end_time": "41:38", "start_time": "41:38", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "41:44", "start_time": "41:38", "text": "I I won't be sitting here with you being able to learn and understand, how this world works, you know." }, { "end_time": "41:48", "start_time": "41:44", "text": "So I would be closing my doors on on a lot of things, and I don't think that that's fair for my growth." }, { "end_time": "41:49", "start_time": "41:48", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "41:54", "start_time": "41:49", "text": "And and it's important that every day I think consistency is perhaps the worst thing that could happen to humans." }, { "end_time": "42:00", "start_time": "41:54", "text": "And, and to not to be bitten by that bug, it's very important for you to be open now." }, { "end_time": "42:02", "start_time": "42:00", "text": "You will find all sorts of people, but nobody's forcing you." }, { "end_time": "42:03", "start_time": "42:02", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "42:06", "start_time": "42:03", "text": "So at the end of the day, you've got to rely on your judgment." }, { "end_time": "42:12", "start_time": "42:06", "text": "You got to be able to absorb, understand and respect and appreciate what is coming to you." }, { "end_time": "42:16", "start_time": "42:12", "text": "To be able to choose it or not to choose it is the very end process." }, { "end_time": "42:17", "start_time": "42:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:22", "start_time": "42:18", "text": "So you know actually we're talking on I think it's the 27th today, 28th?" }, { "end_time": "42:24", "start_time": "42:22", "text": "And Kobe Bryant passed away last night." }, { "end_time": "42:26", "start_time": "42:24", "text": "Kobe Bryant was a huge idol for me." }, { "end_time": "42:30", "start_time": "42:26", "text": "And he actually got me out of a lot of low phases of my own life, my own career." }, { "end_time": "42:34", "start_time": "42:30", "text": "And the one statement of his that stays with me is you set your own limits." }, { "end_time": "42:39", "start_time": "42:34", "text": "Like everyone puts themselves into brackets, into roofs saying that no I can only reach her in life." }, { "end_time": "42:42", "start_time": "42:39", "text": "And your job as a human is to constantly break those barriers." }, { "end_time": "42:45", "start_time": "42:42", "text": "And I feel like that's a message he's left for his world." }, { "end_time": "42:47", "start_time": "42:45", "text": "What is the message you wanna leave for your world?" }, { "end_time": "42:52", "start_time": "42:47", "text": "If, say, you know, something wrong would happen tomorrow, what is that one statement you wanna be remembered for?" }, { "end_time": "42:56", "start_time": "42:54", "text": "That I will let, the world decide." }, { "end_time": "42:58", "start_time": "42:56", "text": "That's not not for me to tell." }, { "end_time": "43:02", "start_time": "42:58", "text": "You know, that's obviously going to be something that is going to come out of what I have done." }, { "end_time": "43:11", "start_time": "43:03", "text": "So so if if it was to be that, then I think, the world is a is a better teacher." }, { "end_time": "43:13", "start_time": "43:11", "text": "Can I translate this answer?" }, { "end_time": "43:13", "start_time": "43:13", "text": "Jay, please." }, { "end_time": "43:15", "start_time": "43:13", "text": "I feel like your answer is just stay humble." }, { "end_time": "43:18", "start_time": "43:17", "text": "Well well, if that would be, then yes." }, { "end_time": "43:21", "start_time": "43:18", "text": "I would be happy if that was to be written on my last journey." }, { "end_time": "43:26", "start_time": "43:21", "text": "I I think that is a tag that I could perhaps be in peace of, wherever I would have been." }, { "end_time": "43:27", "start_time": "43:26", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "43:27", "start_time": "43:27", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "43:27", "start_time": "43:27", "text": "Cool." }, { "end_time": "43:29", "start_time": "43:27", "text": "I hope you enjoyed the podcast." }, { "end_time": "43:30", "start_time": "43:29", "text": "That was the conclusion." }, { "end_time": "43:31", "start_time": "43:30", "text": "I'm sorry for the torture." }, { "end_time": "43:31", "start_time": "43:31", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "43:31", "start_time": "43:31", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "43:33", "start_time": "43:31", "text": "And for the sufferance that you had too." }, { "end_time": "43:34", "start_time": "43:33", "text": "But thank you." }, { "end_time": "43:35", "start_time": "43:34", "text": "I'm a sucker for perspective." }, { "end_time": "43:37", "start_time": "43:35", "text": "So I had a lot of fun, guys." }, { "end_time": "43:40", "start_time": "43:37", "text": "I will be linking all of sir's handles down below." }, { "end_time": "43:40", "start_time": "43:40", "text": "Make sure you go follow." }, { "end_time": "43:42", "start_time": "43:40", "text": "I hope you guys enjoyed it." }, { "end_time": "43:43", "start_time": "43:42", "text": "I hope you guys gained value out of it." }, { "end_time": "43:46", "start_time": "43:43", "text": "Sir, one quick piece of advice to the youth." }, { "end_time": "43:49", "start_time": "43:48", "text": "Soch quit." }, { "end_time": "43:50", "start_time": "43:50", "text": "Nice." }, { "end_time": "43:52", "start_time": "43:52", "text": "And execute." }, { "end_time": "43:54", "start_time": "43:53", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "43:54", "start_time": "43:54", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "43:55", "start_time": "43:54", "text": "Thank you again, sir." }, { "end_time": "43:55", "start_time": "43:55", "text": "Thank you so much." }, { "end_time": "43:58", "start_time": "43:55", "text": "Very kind And, I hope you come back to the airport again." }, { "end_time": "43:58", "start_time": "43:58", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "43:59", "start_time": "43:58", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "44:00", "start_time": "43:59", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "44:00", "start_time": "44:00", "text": "See you guys." } ] }

[ { "content": "**Task Description:** \nYou are provided with a YouTube video transcript in JSON format, where each entry is synchronized with its respective timestamp. This transcript contains the spoken text along with its start and end times. Your objective is to generate high-quality, chapter-wise segments that accurately represent key points or transitions within the video.\n\n**Transcript JSON Format:** \nThe transcript is formatted as a list of dictionaries, where each dictionary represents a spoken sentence, including its text and corresponding start and end times.\n\n**Example Transcript:** \n```json\n[\n {\n \"text\": \"The narrative in the public eye is that you left working with the Modi government because your opinions weren't heard.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:07\"\n },\n {\n \"text\": \"I want to know your side of the story.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:08\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:10\"\n },\n ...\n]\n```\n\n**Your Task:** \nUsing the given transcript, generate a JSON output that breaks down the video into meaningful chapters. Each chapter should encapsulate a key segment of the video and be accompanied by a concise, informative title that reflects the essence of that segment.\n\n**Chapter JSON Format:** \nThe output should follow this structure:\n```json\n{\n \"chapters\": [\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"title\": \"Introduction and Opening Remarks\"\n },\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:07\",\n \"title\": \"Discussing the Exit from Modi Government\"\n },\n ...\n ]\n}\n```\n\n**Requirements:** \n1. **Identify Key Segments:** Extract significant portions of the transcript that represent shifts in topic, important discussions, or transitions in conversation.\n2. **Craft Informative Titles:** Each chapter title should be clear, engaging, and directly related to the content covered in that segment.\n3. **Preserve Time Stamps:** Ensure that each chapter's `start_time` corresponds to the first instance of a key topic or segment in the transcript.\n4. **Conciseness is Key:** While titles should be descriptive, avoid making them overly lengthy. Aim for a balance between informativeness and brevity.", "role": "system" }, { "content": "{'transcripts': array([{'end_time': '0:02', 'start_time': '0:00', 'text': 'Why should you listen to a podcast in the first place?'},\n {'end_time': '0:08', 'start_time': '0:02', 'text': \"It's primarily so that you get the feeling of being in the same room that the podcast was recorded in.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:12', 'start_time': '0:08', 'text': 'This room was a part of the palace in Udaipur, the city palace.'},\n {'end_time': '0:16', 'start_time': '0:13', 'text': \"It's the palace of a prince called Laksharaj Singh of Mewar.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:18', 'start_time': '0:17', 'text': \"I'm proud to say he's a friend now.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:25', 'start_time': '0:18', 'text': 'We became friends over the course of this podcast and my recent trip to Udaipur, which is very kind of awakening for me.'},\n {'end_time': '0:26', 'start_time': '0:25', 'text': \"I'll tell you why.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:33', 'start_time': '0:26', 'text': \"Because if you're a modern day royal in India in 2020, 1, you have access to the best education out there.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:38', 'start_time': '0:33', 'text': \"2, you have access to some of the best minds who'll visit you at certain moments in your life.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:41', 'start_time': '0:38', 'text': 'I also feel that prince Laksharaj is an entrepreneur at heart.'},\n {'end_time': '0:54', 'start_time': '0:42', 'text': 'When he was beginning his career, he decided to move to Australia, worked as a bartender, worked as a waiter, worked at the lowest rung of the hotel industry so he could come back and run the HRH group of hotels in Udaipur.'},\n {'end_time': '0:57', 'start_time': '0:55', 'text': \"That's the kind of mentality that he has.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:58', 'start_time': '0:57', 'text': \"He's a humble guy.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:59', 'start_time': '0:58', 'text': 'He has a lot of perspective.'},\n {'end_time': '1:04', 'start_time': '0:59', 'text': \"He's always hungry for more perspective, and he's got a lot to teach to the world.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:12', 'start_time': '1:04', 'text': 'So without further ado, this is my conversation with a modern day royal, Someone who kind of taught me a lot through the course of this interview.'},\n {'end_time': '1:18', 'start_time': '1:12', 'text': \"So from this podcast, I want you guys to learn about what it's like being a modern day royal in modern India.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:24', 'start_time': '1:18', 'text': \"Keep in mind, in the city of Udaipur, he's the prince And people still worship him as a monarch.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:27', 'start_time': '1:25', 'text': \"He's got people surrounding him all the time.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:29', 'start_time': '1:27', 'text': \"He's got an entire palace to himself.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:36', 'start_time': '1:29', 'text': \"He's got a whole army in a way serving him because people still look up to him as the future king of Udaipur.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:40', 'start_time': '1:37', 'text': \"Also keep in mind, he's a great humble guy.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:42', 'start_time': '1:40', 'text': \"He's a brother at heart.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:48', 'start_time': '1:42', 'text': 'So through this podcast, through the Ranveesho, I wanna bring out the real personality of this man to show you guys that, you know what?'},\n {'end_time': '1:51', 'start_time': '1:48', 'text': \"Certain people's lives can be this way as well.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:58', 'start_time': '1:51', 'text': \"A direct descendant of Maharana Pratap, he's also got a lot of lessons from his family lineage.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:00', 'start_time': '1:58', 'text': \"So we're gonna tackle all those topics.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:04', 'start_time': '2:00', 'text': \"And we're gonna change you through this episode of the Ranveer Show.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:04', 'start_time': '2:04', 'text': 'Enjoy yourselves.'},\n {'end_time': '2:14', 'start_time': '2:12', 'text': 'Welcome to the Ranveer Show, you guys.'},\n {'end_time': '2:19', 'start_time': '2:14', 'text': \"I've got a very special guest today, mister Laksharaj Singh of Mewar.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:20', 'start_time': '2:19', 'text': \"You're the Maharana of Udaipur.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:26', 'start_time': '2:21', 'text': \"Like how early in your life did you get to know that you're a part of royalty and you understood the concept of royalty?\"},\n {'end_time': '2:28', 'start_time': '2:27', 'text': 'Oh, very late in life.'},\n {'end_time': '2:28', 'start_time': '2:28', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '2:29', 'start_time': '2:28', 'text': 'Very, very late in life.'},\n {'end_time': '2:37', 'start_time': '2:29', 'text': 'I think my parents did a fabulous job in keeping us completely, in a in a in a state which I think was very, very good.'},\n {'end_time': '2:41', 'start_time': '2:37', 'text': 'I think we may have got a lot more flack from the outside world Like, what do you mean?'},\n {'end_time': '2:46', 'start_time': '2:41', 'text': 'For who you were, for absolutely no relevance in your mind of who you were as as a young child.'},\n {'end_time': '2:51', 'start_time': '2:46', 'text': 'But when you did go to school, obviously, the others around you knew more of you than you knew of yourself.'},\n {'end_time': '2:54', 'start_time': '2:52', 'text': 'So, so the question was then.'},\n {'end_time': '2:57', 'start_time': '2:54', 'text': \"So you didn't just understand all of those sort of things.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:05', 'start_time': '2:57', 'text': 'So perhaps dealing with the outside world of who you were was a bigger challenge than being at home because I think they gave us a great upbringing.'},\n {'end_time': '3:13', 'start_time': '3:05', 'text': 'And I really say that this is something which nature has a huge role to play, and everybody needs to be grateful for who they are and what they are, what what they really are.'},\n {'end_time': '3:17', 'start_time': '3:13', 'text': \"And at the end of the day, as far as my identity is concerned, I'm I'm very, very proud of it.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:22', 'start_time': '3:17', 'text': \"And and it's just something that you have to learn to live within either yourself or the people, around you.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:27', 'start_time': '3:22', 'text': \"Coming back to that school phase of yours when people were noticing that, okay, there's royalty amongst us.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:27', 'start_time': '3:27', 'text': 'Jay.'},\n {'end_time': '3:29', 'start_time': '3:27', 'text': 'Do you have any cool stories from them?'},\n {'end_time': '3:30', 'start_time': '3:29', 'text': 'Like or anything you remember?'},\n {'end_time': '3:31', 'start_time': '3:30', 'text': 'Cool.'},\n {'end_time': '3:35', 'start_time': '3:31', 'text': \"It used to be more like being the chimpanzee in the zoo, you know, that everybody's come to watch.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:45', 'start_time': '3:35', 'text': \"And, sometimes it used to be weird and sometimes it used to be fun because most of the time you didn't realize why they were, reacting to you rather than responding to you.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:46', 'start_time': '3:45', 'text': 'Like, what do you mean?'},\n {'end_time': '3:53', 'start_time': '3:47', 'text': 'And, like, when you go and and you see something which is perhaps not a part of you and you have a reaction when you see something.'},\n {'end_time': '3:56', 'start_time': '3:53', 'text': 'So you you felt a lot, like that when you were around, people.'},\n {'end_time': '4:00', 'start_time': '3:56', 'text': 'And then you got to know some people, and then you got to make some more friends and things like that.'},\n {'end_time': '4:08', 'start_time': '4:00', 'text': \"But as you said, when you first walk into school, people carry this excess baggage, and and that's something that you never knew at that early age of, of life.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:14', 'start_time': '4:08', 'text': \"But in terms of being more cool, I think from your perspective, it I I don't blame you, but I do think that, yes, it looks cool.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:28', 'start_time': '4:14', 'text': 'But when you wear, my shoes and when you go through the journey that you do and look at certain things in a certain manner, they are not as cool, and as fairy tailed in terms of what the the films may have done, from from the inside.'},\n {'end_time': '4:37', 'start_time': '4:28', 'text': \"And and that's, something that, you know, you got to understand as you are walking that path because I'm a firm believer of the fact that the idea is not to go through life.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:39', 'start_time': '4:37', 'text': 'The the idea is to grow through life.'},\n {'end_time': '4:41', 'start_time': '4:39', 'text': 'And I think these are all the things that make you grow through life.'},\n {'end_time': '4:46', 'start_time': '4:41', 'text': 'Could you give, like, 3 challenges of your life that am janda would take for granted?'},\n {'end_time': '4:51', 'start_time': '4:47', 'text': 'Like, for example, once you said being, being born as who you are and it being cool.'},\n {'end_time': '4:54', 'start_time': '4:51', 'text': 'So, you know, so that is something that has been taken for granted.'},\n {'end_time': '4:55', 'start_time': '4:54', 'text': 'People make assumptions about it.'},\n {'end_time': '4:56', 'start_time': '4:55', 'text': 'People make assumptions.'},\n {'end_time': '4:57', 'start_time': '4:56', 'text': 'So that is the biggest thing.'},\n {'end_time': '5:00', 'start_time': '4:57', 'text': \"It's so cool.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:02', 'start_time': '5:00', 'text': 'This, that, and other, and everything, and all that.'},\n {'end_time': '5:04', 'start_time': '5:02', 'text': \"So they don't see the the larger spectrum.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:07', 'start_time': '5:04', 'text': \"They're catching the short end of the of the stick.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:08', 'start_time': '5:07', 'text': '2nd thing.'},\n {'end_time': '5:13', 'start_time': '5:09', 'text': 'Second thing is that, oh, you know, your parents, may be treating you differently and so on and so forth.'},\n {'end_time': '5:20', 'start_time': '5:13', 'text': 'Trust the scrutiny that they put us, or at least I can tell you from my own experience that, how strict that they both have been.'},\n {'end_time': '5:26', 'start_time': '5:20', 'text': \"And and rightly so, there is, being strict does not take away their love or doesn't take their affection or doesn't take away any of that.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:38', 'start_time': '5:26', 'text': \"So it shouldn't kind of bite into saying that they, didn't love us but the fact of the matter is being strict was, really, something that we noticed from our friends and all of that around us perhaps they got away.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:40', 'start_time': '5:38', 'text': 'People said dude your parents are like super strict.'},\n {'end_time': '5:41', 'start_time': '5:41', 'text': 'Exactly.'},\n {'end_time': '5:42', 'start_time': '5:41', 'text': 'So you know things like that.'},\n {'end_time': '5:49', 'start_time': '5:42', 'text': \"So if somebody was driving without a license in your school or brought a 2 wheeler, now our parents won't allow us to do that.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:49', 'start_time': '5:49', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '5:55', 'start_time': '5:49', 'text': \"Or that you will not go to just pick up a bike and just because you're 12 years old and you can ride a bike or you can drive a car oh, fine.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:57', 'start_time': '5:55', 'text': 'Take it, and here are the keys.'},\n {'end_time': '6:01', 'start_time': '5:57', 'text': 'Because a lot of the children that came to school at that age brought their own, vehicles.'},\n {'end_time': '6:06', 'start_time': '6:01', 'text': 'So we also went back home and said, oh, most of my friends are bringing, cars and bikes to school.'},\n {'end_time': '6:08', 'start_time': '6:06', 'text': 'So the first thing that they asked, how old are they?'},\n {'end_time': '6:09', 'start_time': '6:08', 'text': 'And do they have a license?'},\n {'end_time': '6:11', 'start_time': '6:09', 'text': 'So I said, if they do, then by all means, you can take 1.'},\n {'end_time': '6:12', 'start_time': '6:11', 'text': 'And then I found out.'},\n {'end_time': '6:15', 'start_time': '6:12', 'text': \"And that's how I learned that at that age, you are not allowed to drive.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:15', 'start_time': '6:15', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '6:23', 'start_time': '6:15', 'text': \"So certain parents that would just allow you to do some of those things, our parents just, didn't allow us to to do any of that.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:24', 'start_time': '6:23', 'text': 'So things like this, you know.'},\n {'end_time': '6:40', 'start_time': '6:24', 'text': \"So there were a lot of, being, you know, things that were on the right side and, making sure that you didn't disrupt things around you and, were well within your range and limits of things that you did, and and still within that, you could enjoy a fair bit.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:42', 'start_time': '6:40', 'text': 'So So in a 3rd challenge.'},\n {'end_time': '6:42', 'start_time': '6:42', 'text': 'Oh.'},\n {'end_time': '6:46', 'start_time': '6:45', 'text': 'The pressure?'},\n {'end_time': '6:47', 'start_time': '6:46', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '6:47', 'start_time': '6:47', 'text': 'Not at all.'},\n {'end_time': '6:51', 'start_time': '6:47', 'text': 'I think that would be very unfair of me to say that in case if there was any pressure.'},\n {'end_time': '6:54', 'start_time': '6:51', 'text': \"A lot of again, so now now you're giving me the answer.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:00', 'start_time': '6:54', 'text': 'So a lot of people would think for me that there is a lot of burden, but I completely disagree with that.'},\n {'end_time': '7:00', 'start_time': '7:00', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '7:05', 'start_time': '7:00', 'text': 'And I think if one, substitutes that word for a challenge, then perhaps yes.'},\n {'end_time': '7:14', 'start_time': '7:05', 'text': 'But the straight thing that has thrown at you is that, oh, you must be underneath so much pressure, you must be underneath so much burden and this, that, and other and everything.'},\n {'end_time': '7:15', 'start_time': '7:14', 'text': 'All of that, not really.'},\n {'end_time': '7:18', 'start_time': '7:15', 'text': 'You know, at the end of the day, everybody has that kind of pressure.'},\n {'end_time': '7:25', 'start_time': '7:18', 'text': 'But just to think that this person is constantly living underneath 100 tons of weight, I think is is, perhaps untrue.'},\n {'end_time': '7:29', 'start_time': '7:25', 'text': 'So these are probably three things that come to my, mind at this point.'},\n {'end_time': '7:32', 'start_time': '7:29', 'text': 'Can I stop talking to you as a podcaster and talk to you as a younger brother?'},\n {'end_time': '7:34', 'start_time': '7:33', 'text': 'Please, please.'},\n {'end_time': '7:34', 'start_time': '7:34', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '7:34', 'start_time': '7:34', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '7:36', 'start_time': '7:34', 'text': \"I'm gonna ask you a very straightforward question.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:39', 'start_time': '7:37', 'text': 'With all this, how did you not become arrogant?'},\n {'end_time': '7:49', 'start_time': '7:45', 'text': \"So, you know, so that's one thing, as a as a mantra that you've always, grown up with.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:59', 'start_time': '7:49', 'text': \"And I, and that's certainly not a makeup that you need, when, you know, simpler things in life are far superior and far better.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:00', 'start_time': '7:59', 'text': 'Can you explain that deeper?'},\n {'end_time': '8:07', 'start_time': '8:01', 'text': \"It's a it's a, Nusrat Fatehli Khan Kavali, line that I have stolen and shared with you.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:08', 'start_time': '8:07', 'text': 'Exactly that.'},\n {'end_time': '8:13', 'start_time': '8:08', 'text': \"You don't really need to put up a make believe, makeshift, throw your weight around to get recognized at all.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:13', 'start_time': '8:13', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '8:17', 'start_time': '8:14', 'text': 'Sometimes, the ordinary things in life stand out as extraordinary.'},\n {'end_time': '8:24', 'start_time': '8:17', 'text': 'And one of the greatest things as humans that we do have is being down towards being respectful to people and, being one with them.'},\n {'end_time': '8:28', 'start_time': '8:24', 'text': \"And I think that's the, most beautiful thing and why not share it, you know?\"},\n {'end_time': '8:31', 'start_time': '8:29', 'text': 'Do you believe in karma and rebirth?'},\n {'end_time': '8:32', 'start_time': '8:32', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '8:38', 'start_time': '8:32', 'text': 'So do you sometimes look around you and ask yourself what did my soul do right to be born here?'},\n {'end_time': '8:38', 'start_time': '8:38', 'text': 'Lot of the times.'},\n {'end_time': '8:39', 'start_time': '8:38', 'text': 'Lot of the times.'},\n {'end_time': '8:40', 'start_time': '8:39', 'text': 'And what is your answer to that?'},\n {'end_time': '8:41', 'start_time': '8:40', 'text': \"I haven't found one yet.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:41', 'start_time': '8:41', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '8:50', 'start_time': '8:41', 'text': \"But obviously something or another one must have done to be able to do what they're doing now, and I think everybody in their own soul should be, very grateful for who they are.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:55', 'start_time': '8:51', 'text': 'Is kind of my Jeevan Laker is part 3 per.'},\n {'end_time': '8:59', 'start_time': '8:59', 'text': 'Correct.'},\n {'end_time': '9:05', 'start_time': '8:59', 'text': 'So whoever has been given this form of being a human is certainly a matter of eternal greatness.'},\n {'end_time': '9:08', 'start_time': '9:05', 'text': 'So outside of being you know what people term you as?'},\n {'end_time': '9:12', 'start_time': '9:08', 'text': 'A royal, a king, a Maharana, what would you call yourself?'},\n {'end_time': '9:14', 'start_time': '9:12', 'text': 'Would you call yourself an entrepreneur, an administrator?'},\n {'end_time': '9:15', 'start_time': '9:15', 'text': 'What No.'},\n {'end_time': '9:15', 'start_time': '9:15', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '9:16', 'start_time': '9:15', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '9:16', 'start_time': '9:16', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '9:16', 'start_time': '9:16', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '9:16', 'start_time': '9:16', 'text': 'None of that.'},\n {'end_time': '9:17', 'start_time': '9:16', 'text': 'None none of the above.'},\n {'end_time': '9:33', 'start_time': '9:17', 'text': 'These are all roles and tags that people give you, you know, and now with the with the world that the way it is flowing, in terms of its digital world, in terms of everything else that is flowing around on this, planet, these are taglines and things that are for conveniences of people are given to you.'},\n {'end_time': '9:35', 'start_time': '9:33', 'text': 'You know, you, you get up, you do a job.'},\n {'end_time': '9:40', 'start_time': '9:35', 'text': \"If you ask me professionally what I do and where I make my bread and butter from, it's from the hotel industry.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:44', 'start_time': '9:40', 'text': \"So, I've qualified in in being a hotelier.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:47', 'start_time': '9:44', 'text': 'I got my degree in hospitality and tourism management.'},\n {'end_time': '9:51', 'start_time': '9:47', 'text': \"That's how I look at my myself and other other things that you do do which interest you.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:51', 'start_time': '9:51', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '9:52', 'start_time': '9:51', 'text': 'You do.'},\n {'end_time': '9:52', 'start_time': '9:52', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '10:00', 'start_time': '9:53', 'text': 'You know, so I read your entire profile in detail, and the one thing that stuck out to me and the one thing that appealed to me the most was, this.'},\n {'end_time': '10:04', 'start_time': '10:00', 'text': 'That you work at the lowest level of the hotel industry and learned it from them.'},\n {'end_time': '10:05', 'start_time': '10:04', 'text': \"But why won't you?\"},\n {'end_time': '10:07', 'start_time': '10:06', 'text': \"I'll tell you what.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:09', 'start_time': '10:07', 'text': 'Like it is an important life skill.'},\n {'end_time': '10:13', 'start_time': '10:09', 'text': \"I believe that if you're opening a startup for sweepers, you have to be a sweeper yourself.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:14', 'start_time': '10:13', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '10:17', 'start_time': '10:14', 'text': \"But not everyone and I'm talking about mainly city kids.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:19', 'start_time': '10:17', 'text': 'Not everyone is ready to go that low.'},\n {'end_time': '10:23', 'start_time': '10:20', 'text': 'Not everyone can eat each other at the beginning of their journeys.'},\n {'end_time': '10:26', 'start_time': '10:23', 'text': 'So what was in your head right before you took that step?'},\n {'end_time': '10:27', 'start_time': '10:26', 'text': 'Exactly that.'},\n {'end_time': '10:32', 'start_time': '10:27', 'text': \"That till the time you don't do it yourself, you don't know, what it's going to be like.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:35', 'start_time': '10:32', 'text': 'So only the shoe wearer knows, where it pinches.'},\n {'end_time': '10:38', 'start_time': '10:35', 'text': \"So at the end of the day, it's important, a, to put on that shoe.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:41', 'start_time': '10:39', 'text': 'What you do know that everybody else is going to do.'},\n {'end_time': '10:42', 'start_time': '10:41', 'text': 'And you did it with utmost joy.'},\n {'end_time': '10:44', 'start_time': '10:42', 'text': 'You know, it was such a lot of fun.'},\n {'end_time': '10:44', 'start_time': '10:44', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '10:51', 'start_time': '10:45', 'text': \"I can't imagine doing something, and for it not to be fun within the industry or an area that you may have chosen of your choice.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:54', 'start_time': '10:51', 'text': \"So, you know, it's not something that somebody forced me into.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:56', 'start_time': '10:54', 'text': \"So it shouldn't really come out as a surprise.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:01', 'start_time': '10:56', 'text': 'Oh, you worked at the lowest level, or you cleaned dishes, or you washed toilets.'},\n {'end_time': '11:05', 'start_time': '11:01', 'text': \"So I I I don't see, these are the sort of things that surprised me.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:09', 'start_time': '11:05', 'text': 'Perhaps you asking that question surprises you that, oh, you know, this is what was done.'},\n {'end_time': '11:20', 'start_time': '11:09', 'text': 'But it surprises me that this is even a question in the first place because at the end of the day, if you want to become something, you need to go through a process.'},\n {'end_time': '11:20', 'start_time': '11:20', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '11:27', 'start_time': '11:20', 'text': 'So at the end of the day, if you want to do something, you got to follow all all the parts.'},\n {'end_time': '11:29', 'start_time': '11:27', 'text': 'You need to eat food, so you need to go buy.'},\n {'end_time': '11:31', 'start_time': '11:29', 'text': 'There need to be vegetables.'},\n {'end_time': '11:34', 'start_time': '11:31', 'text': 'You need to clean, wash, and then will it be a complete process?'},\n {'end_time': '11:42', 'start_time': '11:34', 'text': \"So same way, if you are wanting to achieve something in life, you've got to experience, all of it at all levels and then perhaps go ahead with it.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:53', 'start_time': '11:42', 'text': \"So when you do speak to somebody at that level, when they're standing in front of you, you can look them in the eye and talk to them and and not be because of who you are rather than what you have done is the reason why you're able to connect to them.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:53', 'start_time': '11:53', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '11:54', 'start_time': '11:53', 'text': 'Your experiences.'},\n {'end_time': '11:54', 'start_time': '11:54', 'text': 'Precisely.'},\n {'end_time': '11:55', 'start_time': '11:54', 'text': 'Precisely.'},\n {'end_time': '11:59', 'start_time': '11:55', 'text': \"And and more than experiences, it's the technical know how and the skill Got it.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:02', 'start_time': '11:59', 'text': 'Of knowing what needs to be, done.'},\n {'end_time': '12:13', 'start_time': '12:02', 'text': \"You may think that cleaning a toilet may be very simple but at the end of the day there are a lot of things that you may need to know to make sure that it's not harmful for you and it's not harmful for the person, using it.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:15', 'start_time': '12:13', 'text': 'So that is what is the most important bit.'},\n {'end_time': '12:16', 'start_time': '12:15', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '12:25', 'start_time': '12:16', 'text': 'So in your own words could you describe your whole phase working as a bartender and working at the lowest, you know, so called lowest phase of the hotel industry?'},\n {'end_time': '12:26', 'start_time': '12:25', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '12:28', 'start_time': '12:26', 'text': 'Bartender is pretty high up there to be very honest.'},\n {'end_time': '12:28', 'start_time': '12:28', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '12:28', 'start_time': '12:28', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '12:32', 'start_time': '12:28', 'text': 'I meant I meant bartender semi colon lowest phase.'},\n {'end_time': '12:37', 'start_time': '12:33', 'text': \"What did it teach you about life that you didn't know prior to doing it?\"},\n {'end_time': '12:44', 'start_time': '12:40', 'text': 'I think a lot of things that you just knew at the at the surface level.'},\n {'end_time': '12:45', 'start_time': '12:45', 'text': 'Like?'},\n {'end_time': '12:48', 'start_time': '12:46', 'text': 'For example, dignity of labor.'},\n {'end_time': '12:49', 'start_time': '12:49', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '12:55', 'start_time': '12:49', 'text': 'So when you were working at the lowest level or when you were working as a bartender and all of that, you were always kind and courteous to people.'},\n {'end_time': '12:56', 'start_time': '12:55', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '13:14', 'start_time': '12:56', 'text': 'But when you actually went behind the the table or when you went behind areas where people did not see you and did a particular job, It kind of gave you a little bit more in-depth understanding of what it actually took from within and from, the outside and the surroundings to be able to complete a certain task Which was like what did it take from within?'},\n {'end_time': '13:18', 'start_time': '13:14', 'text': 'The fact of the matter is that, you know, you just took it as a very by the way issue.'},\n {'end_time': '13:20', 'start_time': '13:18', 'text': 'You were always respectful and kind to them.'},\n {'end_time': '13:22', 'start_time': '13:20', 'text': \"But, yes, it was somebody's job and they needed to do it.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:39', 'start_time': '13:22', 'text': \"But when you do it yourself, it's a taste that only you can you can, figure out or you can feel and understand that what it actually means when you go in there, when you do a job, you make a drink, you wash a glass, you put things back, you know, that entire flow teaches you in its own accord and to be able to explain it.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:42', 'start_time': '13:39', 'text': \"If somebody could have, then I perhaps wouldn't have had to do it.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:50', 'start_time': '13:42', 'text': 'But the fact of the matter is that when you follow an entire process is when it kind of explains to you and makes you look at them with a lot more dignity and a lot more respect.'},\n {'end_time': '13:50', 'start_time': '13:50', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '13:54', 'start_time': '13:50', 'text': \"So because you've been a batsman, okay, I'm going to tell you one parallel.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:55', 'start_time': '13:54', 'text': 'Well, at least somebody considers me to be one.'},\n {'end_time': '13:56', 'start_time': '13:55', 'text': 'So thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '13:58', 'start_time': '13:57', 'text': \"Because you've been a batsman.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:02', 'start_time': '13:58', 'text': 'I keep telling my close friends who have not been able to keep in touch with that.'},\n {'end_time': '14:02', 'start_time': '14:02', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '14:03', 'start_time': '14:02', 'text': \"I'm batting career life.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:05', 'start_time': '14:03', 'text': \"There's many businesses I'm trying to start.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:06', 'start_time': '14:05', 'text': \"There may things I'm trying to do with my life.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:10', 'start_time': '14:06', 'text': \"That's why I'm a little busy, but I will come back to the dressing room Monday.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:11', 'start_time': '14:10', 'text': 'And I see that in you as well.'},\n {'end_time': '14:12', 'start_time': '14:11', 'text': \"You're very busy.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:14', 'start_time': '14:12', 'text': \"You're doing a lot of things possibly in this phase of your life.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:23', 'start_time': '14:15', 'text': 'So when you took up those gigs as a bartender working in the hotel industry, was it with this intention of turning your property into, like, a top quality hotel?'},\n {'end_time': '14:25', 'start_time': '14:23', 'text': 'Like, was it with that entrepreneurial mission?'},\n {'end_time': '14:29', 'start_time': '14:26', 'text': 'At the end of the day, father was already running a very successful business.'},\n {'end_time': '14:29', 'start_time': '14:29', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '14:36', 'start_time': '14:29', 'text': 'So the idea was to put a shoulder to the wheel, and and that is where my inspiration came in to lean towards hotels.'},\n {'end_time': '14:43', 'start_time': '14:36', 'text': 'You know, when you grew up in that environment, when you were seeing your father do the, the job and be very hands on himself.'},\n {'end_time': '14:48', 'start_time': '14:43', 'text': 'So, you know, subconsciously at that point in time, in your school holidays, these sort of things start sinking in.'},\n {'end_time': '14:56', 'start_time': '14:48', 'text': \"You don't realize this, but subconsciously, they start sinking in your mind that, oh, you know, this is fascinating or this is interesting and so on and so forth.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:02', 'start_time': '14:56', 'text': 'So the idea was to be able to really come in and help somebody who was already so passionate about, certain things.'},\n {'end_time': '15:12', 'start_time': '15:02', 'text': \"And, that's on that's, where you took on the journey from and started to understand the nuances and nitty gritties of how to build and how to understand so you could communicate with people at the level that they are at.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:22', 'start_time': '15:13', 'text': 'Without killing and without causing any harm to another physical being, do you somewhere look at yourself as a warrior, which is your Rajput heritage kicking in?'},\n {'end_time': '15:24', 'start_time': '15:22', 'text': 'As an entrepreneurial warrior?'},\n {'end_time': '15:34', 'start_time': '15:30', 'text': 'So the, answer is, within that in the 21st century, I think.'},\n {'end_time': '15:34', 'start_time': '15:34', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '15:34', 'start_time': '15:34', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '15:35', 'start_time': '15:34', 'text': 'But okay.'},\n {'end_time': '15:36', 'start_time': '15:35', 'text': \"I'll tell I'll tell you why I asked you that.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:42', 'start_time': '15:36', 'text': \"So I'm deep into spiritual reading and, the spiritual school I go to And all the more reason you should associate with this line.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:42', 'start_time': '15:42', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '15:43', 'start_time': '15:42', 'text': 'For sure.'},\n {'end_time': '15:43', 'start_time': '15:43', 'text': 'For sure.'},\n {'end_time': '15:52', 'start_time': '15:44', 'text': 'But, they keep promoting the idea that you can get past any challenge in life if every single day wake up with a mentality of a warrior.'},\n {'end_time': '15:54', 'start_time': '15:52', 'text': \"So that's not killing anyone or causing any harm.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:54', 'start_time': '15:54', 'text': 'I understand that.'},\n {'end_time': '15:56', 'start_time': '15:54', 'text': \"That's overcoming your challenges.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:56', 'start_time': '15:56', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '15:56', 'start_time': '15:56', 'text': 'Fair enough.'},\n {'end_time': '16:06', 'start_time': '15:56', 'text': \"But I I don't think that, these days the way, at least for us or what we experience or what one goes through, I think one doesn't need to be that harsh subconsciously also.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:07', 'start_time': '16:07', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '16:07', 'start_time': '16:07', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '16:18', 'start_time': '16:07', 'text': \"So I I I don't think that one needs to take things off life, of a day to day challenge, of an office or entrepreneurship or working at the level of being a a warrior.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:25', 'start_time': '16:18', 'text': 'You know, I think, very much so you can, just be, something which is, very simple.'},\n {'end_time': '16:32', 'start_time': '16:25', 'text': 'And the idea is to, dispassionately unassociate yourself and look at things for what they are Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '16:34', 'start_time': '16:32', 'text': 'And and decomplicate things.'},\n {'end_time': '16:42', 'start_time': '16:34', 'text': \"That itself is, and that's what I say when you sometimes let your guard down, then you let your weapons down, but that doesn't mean that you let your situational awareness down.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:42', 'start_time': '16:42', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '16:45', 'start_time': '16:42', 'text': \"And once if you're situationally aware, you can deal with a lot of things very peacefully.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:45', 'start_time': '16:45', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '16:47', 'start_time': '16:45', 'text': \"So, and as I say, you know, here's the peacefully.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:48', 'start_time': '16:48', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '16:48', 'start_time': '16:48', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '16:51', 'start_time': '16:48', 'text': 'So, and as I say, you know, here the idea is not to prove.'},\n {'end_time': '16:53', 'start_time': '16:52', 'text': 'The idea is to improve.'},\n {'end_time': '16:54', 'start_time': '16:54', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '16:54', 'start_time': '16:54', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '16:58', 'start_time': '16:54', 'text': \"You know, I'm not here to go, like, in school, you know, thank you for participating.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:00', 'start_time': '16:58', 'text': 'You get a certificate in school or thank you for participating.'},\n {'end_time': '17:02', 'start_time': '17:00', 'text': \"You're not here for participation.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:15', 'start_time': '17:02', 'text': 'You know, these days, what we really need to do to overcome all of that and to make sure that you are able to run things in a certain manner is that you need and what is happening or what I see around me is 99% participation and 1% involvement.'},\n {'end_time': '17:19', 'start_time': '17:15', 'text': 'What you need to do is 99% involvement and 1% participation.'},\n {'end_time': '17:22', 'start_time': '17:20', 'text': 'Can you break that down a little more?'},\n {'end_time': '17:26', 'start_time': '17:23', 'text': \"When you look at things from the outside, it's participating.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:30', 'start_time': '17:27', 'text': 'When you become the thing yourself, then you are involved.'},\n {'end_time': '17:30', 'start_time': '17:30', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '17:31', 'start_time': '17:30', 'text': \"And that's what you really need to do.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:40', 'start_time': '17:31', 'text': \"So once you're involved with things, then, you know, you don't need to go to the extent of being a warrior in your mind of taking each day as a war.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:43', 'start_time': '17:40', 'text': 'There are days and there are challenges where you need to be a warrior.'},\n {'end_time': '17:43', 'start_time': '17:43', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '17:44', 'start_time': '17:43', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '17:49', 'start_time': '17:44', 'text': 'When life throws certain things at you, at that point in time, you really need to kind of think that intensely.'},\n {'end_time': '17:50', 'start_time': '17:49', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '17:56', 'start_time': '17:50', 'text': 'But on an everyday basis, I think there is going to be a burnout because that level, in your mind is a very intense level.'},\n {'end_time': '17:57', 'start_time': '17:56', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '17:59', 'start_time': '17:57', 'text': \"And you can't be a frivolous war warrior.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:59', 'start_time': '17:59', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '18:05', 'start_time': '17:59', 'text': 'A warrior is is at a certain league and it has a certain stature and there is a certain, intensity to it.'},\n {'end_time': '18:06', 'start_time': '18:05', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '18:10', 'start_time': '18:06', 'text': 'To be on that intensity on a 3 65 day basis is a very high level of intensity.'},\n {'end_time': '18:11', 'start_time': '18:10', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '18:11', 'start_time': '18:11', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '18:15', 'start_time': '18:11', 'text': 'So you only pull out those things when you really need to be that.'},\n {'end_time': '18:15', 'start_time': '18:15', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '18:19', 'start_time': '18:16', 'text': \"What has been your success formula for all the stuff you've done now?\"},\n {'end_time': '18:20', 'start_time': '18:19', 'text': \"Because you've you've grown businesses.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:22', 'start_time': '18:21', 'text': 'So there is a simple formula that I follow.'},\n {'end_time': '18:24', 'start_time': '18:22', 'text': \"It's called g g g n.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:24', 'start_time': '18:24', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '18:28', 'start_time': '18:24', 'text': 'So it stands for greatest good, greatest number.'},\n {'end_time': '18:36', 'start_time': '18:28', 'text': \"So in life, whenever you're trying to do anything, the philosophy is to be able to do the greatest good for the greatest number possible.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:38', 'start_time': '18:36', 'text': 'The first thing yes, anything it may be.'},\n {'end_time': '18:44', 'start_time': '18:38', 'text': \"So it's not subject or bound down to humans.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:45', 'start_time': '18:44', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '18:46', 'start_time': '18:45', 'text': \"It's intangible.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:51', 'start_time': '18:48', 'text': \"And, you know, and it's very situational.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:51', 'start_time': '18:51', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '18:52', 'start_time': '18:51', 'text': \"And it's unconventional.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:57', 'start_time': '18:53', 'text': 'So one is not going to try and put a theme to it, a structure to it, a fabric to it, and all of that.'},\n {'end_time': '18:58', 'start_time': '18:57', 'text': 'You apply it on the moment.'},\n {'end_time': '18:59', 'start_time': '18:58', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '19:11', 'start_time': '18:59', 'text': \"So, for example, like now, the idea for me, if you take this, talk with you, for which I'm, very thankful to you for taking out the time and coming, my intent for this is that it needs to be the greatest talk.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:11', 'start_time': '19:11', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '19:12', 'start_time': '19:11', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '19:18', 'start_time': '19:12', 'text': 'And at the end of the day, with your number of followers, which, one may be very jealous of, but at the same time very happy.'},\n {'end_time': '19:23', 'start_time': '19:18', 'text': \"In all jokes, I don't mean that seriously, but yes, is that it's for the greatest number.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:23', 'start_time': '19:23', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '19:31', 'start_time': '19:23', 'text': 'So automatically, if you had to apply this formula, you say you applied now like what you have been doing, which fantastic, to make it more relevant and to make it more explainable.'},\n {'end_time': '19:42', 'start_time': '19:31', 'text': 'So this formula for me in this moment, how what am I doing trying to do now is to talk, to you in the greatest and then the most honest and in the most transparent manner that I can.'},\n {'end_time': '19:44', 'start_time': '19:42', 'text': 'So that would be the greatest good for me.'},\n {'end_time': '19:47', 'start_time': '19:44', 'text': \"And and through your means, it's going to be for the greatest number.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:47', 'start_time': '19:47', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '19:49', 'start_time': '19:47', 'text': \"I'm gonna come back to that brother mode now.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:49', 'start_time': '19:49', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '19:51', 'start_time': '19:49', 'text': \"And I'm gonna ask you this.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:54', 'start_time': '19:52', 'text': \"I feel like you're a very self aware guy.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:55', 'start_time': '19:54', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '19:56', 'start_time': '19:55', 'text': 'Anyone who Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '19:59', 'start_time': '19:56', 'text': 'I hope my, lovely family is listening to this.'},\n {'end_time': '20:03', 'start_time': '19:59', 'text': \"So, you know, at least somebody has declared me as somebody who's self aware.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:04', 'start_time': '20:03', 'text': \"So that's on record now.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:05', 'start_time': '20:04', 'text': \"Like you're relatively self aware.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:07', 'start_time': '20:05', 'text': \"Well well, now you're you are going back.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:10', 'start_time': '20:07', 'text': \"So, you know, we'll keep it to the first one and try and delete this.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:10', 'start_time': '20:10', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '20:11', 'start_time': '20:10', 'text': 'Hey, man.'},\n {'end_time': '20:12', 'start_time': '20:11', 'text': \"I said I'm gonna talk to you as a brother.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:14', 'start_time': '20:12', 'text': 'So I gotta be honest.'},\n {'end_time': '20:14', 'start_time': '20:14', 'text': 'Fair enough.'},\n {'end_time': '20:15', 'start_time': '20:14', 'text': \"But you're pretty self aware.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:18', 'start_time': '20:15', 'text': \"So, We'll we'll keep that part.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:22', 'start_time': '20:19', 'text': 'When you analyze yourself, what do you think is your weakness?'},\n {'end_time': '20:24', 'start_time': '20:22', 'text': 'Because self aware people also know their weaknesses.'},\n {'end_time': '20:29', 'start_time': '20:26', 'text': 'Like I said to you earlier, so, the levels of involvement.'},\n {'end_time': '20:39', 'start_time': '20:29', 'text': \"I personally feel that to the extent of which I can push myself to be involved, I think I'm probably snacking out, slacking out on that a little bit.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:48', 'start_time': '20:39', 'text': \"Perhaps I'm being a little lazy or may not be taking things to the boundary or pushing them as much as I could or should be able to do it.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:51', 'start_time': '20:48', 'text': 'Lesser intensity than what your heart tells you to do?'},\n {'end_time': '20:51', 'start_time': '20:51', 'text': 'Perhaps.'},\n {'end_time': '20:52', 'start_time': '20:51', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '20:58', 'start_time': '20:52', 'text': 'Why is that I think one just gets lazy to be very simple and very honest.'},\n {'end_time': '21:01', 'start_time': '20:58', 'text': \"Why I don't think there is any comprehensive concrete solid such answer.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:02', 'start_time': '21:01', 'text': 'One just says here fine.'},\n {'end_time': '21:06', 'start_time': '21:03', 'text': 'So that perhaps can reduce.'},\n {'end_time': '21:18', 'start_time': '21:06', 'text': 'You know, again, whatever people perceive you as at the end of the day that tag of, you know, royalty and all will kind of be with you for a long time.'},\n {'end_time': '21:23', 'start_time': '21:18', 'text': \"So people automatically assume that when you're born into luxury, you don't have a mission.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:26', 'start_time': '21:23', 'text': 'But I I see a lot of fire in you as well.'},\n {'end_time': '21:28', 'start_time': '21:26', 'text': 'And, like, relatively a lot of fire.'},\n {'end_time': '21:32', 'start_time': '21:29', 'text': \"But, when you're born into luxury.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:34', 'start_time': '21:32', 'text': 'Usually the first set thing is what taken.'},\n {'end_time': '21:35', 'start_time': '21:34', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '21:37', 'start_time': '21:35', 'text': 'So that was the law that you guys told me.'},\n {'end_time': '21:38', 'start_time': '21:37', 'text': 'Whatever is first set remains.'},\n {'end_time': '21:39', 'start_time': '21:39', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '21:39', 'start_time': '21:39', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '21:42', 'start_time': '21:39', 'text': 'But right now in life, what is your ambition?'},\n {'end_time': '21:48', 'start_time': '21:42', 'text': 'As in at the age of 50, what is the best possible scenario for you as a person?'},\n {'end_time': '21:51', 'start_time': '21:49', 'text': \"Well, I think that's that's really too far to be very honest.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:57', 'start_time': '21:51', 'text': \"You know, at the end of the day, I think, it's very, very important to be, relevant.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:04', 'start_time': '21:57', 'text': 'And I think, a lot of people miss out on, doing things for tomorrow and letting go letting go of today.'},\n {'end_time': '22:07', 'start_time': '22:04', 'text': \"You know, and that is a mistake I definitely don't want to make.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:09', 'start_time': '22:07', 'text': 'Like, can you explain that again?'},\n {'end_time': '22:16', 'start_time': '22:13', 'text': 'There is no question of the fact that, one should not be focused.'},\n {'end_time': '22:32', 'start_time': '22:16', 'text': \"But the amount of time and, energy that one puts in for tomorrow every day and the life that goes by for that tomorrow every day, one's pretty much reached their end of that tomorrow before they've even realized that they've been able to think of their present.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:33', 'start_time': '22:32', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '22:42', 'start_time': '22:33', 'text': \"And I've seen that happen too often, and I and I really don't want to, be like, that person that's trying a tail that's trying to chase its self.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:46', 'start_time': '22:43', 'text': \"And you're doing nothing else but just going round and round in circles.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:53', 'start_time': '22:46', 'text': \"And when you look up after going round and round and you listen, oh, I'm still right there where I didn't even begin from.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:58', 'start_time': '22:54', 'text': \"And life is already knocking on your doors trying to say that, listen, it's time over now.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:59', 'start_time': '22:58', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '23:01', 'start_time': '22:59', 'text': \"So you've just seen so many people make that mistake.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:02', 'start_time': '23:01', 'text': \"I'd rather be now.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:04', 'start_time': '23:02', 'text': \"I'd rather be here in the now.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:08', 'start_time': '23:04', 'text': \"I'd rather enjoy myself and let my now have an impact on tomorrow.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:08', 'start_time': '23:08', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '23:11', 'start_time': '23:08', 'text': 'Rather than leaving the now and start thinking about the tomorrow.'},\n {'end_time': '23:12', 'start_time': '23:11', 'text': \"It's the way you really think of things.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:13', 'start_time': '23:12', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '23:18', 'start_time': '23:13', 'text': \"Nobody's saying that it's a right or a wrong approach or a perspective, but each to their own.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:21', 'start_time': '23:18', 'text': 'People want to today think about when they are 50 by all means.'},\n {'end_time': '23:22', 'start_time': '23:21', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '23:24', 'start_time': '23:22', 'text': 'As a human, they have the liberty to do it.'},\n {'end_time': '23:26', 'start_time': '23:24', 'text': 'They they have the right to do it.'},\n {'end_time': '23:27', 'start_time': '23:26', 'text': 'They have the ability to do it.'},\n {'end_time': '23:33', 'start_time': '23:27', 'text': 'But I rather do something today, which will let my years, 20 years from now be decided.'},\n {'end_time': '23:35', 'start_time': '23:33', 'text': 'I I rather leave it to my actions of today.'},\n {'end_time': '23:41', 'start_time': '23:35', 'text': 'So would it be fair to say that your biggest advice for the world is focus on execution of your daily tasks today?'},\n {'end_time': '23:41', 'start_time': '23:41', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '23:43', 'start_time': '23:41', 'text': 'And then and then, absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '23:50', 'start_time': '23:43', 'text': 'And let the time of the future be decided by the task that you executed today because that is also going to mature.'},\n {'end_time': '23:56', 'start_time': '23:51', 'text': \"It's not going to be something that you're going to execute today and it's going to have a result back into you in the next minute.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:57', 'start_time': '23:56', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '23:58', 'start_time': '23:57', 'text': \"That's also going to take a process.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:00', 'start_time': '23:58', 'text': \"It's also going to take its toll.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:02', 'start_time': '24:00', 'text': \"It's also going to take some time, good or bad.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:04', 'start_time': '24:02', 'text': \"But that's the call that you have chosen to make.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:08', 'start_time': '24:04', 'text': 'And then let that call, mature in that time to come and enjoy it.'},\n {'end_time': '24:09', 'start_time': '24:08', 'text': 'Have you seen Kabikushi Kabikam?'},\n {'end_time': '24:10', 'start_time': '24:10', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '24:11', 'start_time': '24:10', 'text': 'Do you like that movie?'},\n {'end_time': '24:12', 'start_time': '24:12', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '24:13', 'start_time': '24:12', 'text': 'You remember it.'},\n {'end_time': '24:13', 'start_time': '24:13', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '24:13', 'start_time': '24:13', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '24:16', 'start_time': '24:13', 'text': 'You remember Amitabh Bachchan going Raichand Raichand.'},\n {'end_time': '24:18', 'start_time': '24:17', 'text': \"That was his family's name.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:18', 'start_time': '24:18', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '24:22', 'start_time': '24:18', 'text': 'So that way when you were a young adult Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '24:30', 'start_time': '24:22', 'text': \"What values did your family teach you where they told you that, listen, this is something that should never leave, like, you know, our family's lineage?\"},\n {'end_time': '24:30', 'start_time': '24:30', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '24:34', 'start_time': '24:30', 'text': 'So with that, name of Raichand, you reminded me something that my family told me.'},\n {'end_time': '24:39', 'start_time': '24:35', 'text': \"Knowing you now, in this little span of time, you'll ask me, explain it to me.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:41', 'start_time': '24:39', 'text': \"So I'd rather just get straight into it and explain it to you.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:42', 'start_time': '24:41', 'text': \"That's right.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:44', 'start_time': '24:42', 'text': \"I'm all about the deep life.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:46', 'start_time': '24:45', 'text': 'So there are 5 types of chans.'},\n {'end_time': '24:47', 'start_time': '24:46', 'text': 'Okay?'},\n {'end_time': '24:47', 'start_time': '24:47', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '24:50', 'start_time': '24:47', 'text': 'So, one is a.'},\n {'end_time': '24:51', 'start_time': '24:50', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '24:53', 'start_time': '24:51', 'text': 'The person who only gives you advices.'},\n {'end_time': '24:54', 'start_time': '24:54', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '24:58', 'start_time': '24:54', 'text': 'And somebody will come and give you an advice in, how to build a house.'},\n {'end_time': '25:07', 'start_time': '24:59', 'text': 'But the moment you ask that person, so the first response will be, Right?'},\n {'end_time': '25:08', 'start_time': '25:07', 'text': 'So those are raichans.'},\n {'end_time': '25:13', 'start_time': '25:08', 'text': 'People who have never built a house in their entire life themselves or know nothing about it.'},\n {'end_time': '25:14', 'start_time': '25:14', 'text': 'But.'},\n {'end_time': '25:16', 'start_time': '25:15', 'text': 'Okay?'},\n {'end_time': '25:18', 'start_time': '25:16', 'text': 'So those are people you got to be very, very careful about.'},\n {'end_time': '25:23', 'start_time': '25:18', 'text': 'The second type of chanda that comes into this being is, Hukam chanda.'},\n {'end_time': '25:24', 'start_time': '25:23', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '25:32', 'start_time': '25:24', 'text': 'Jo seem, they seem in their own mind and to the others who are slightly elevated from these raichand people.'},\n {'end_time': '25:35', 'start_time': '25:32', 'text': 'They consider themselves a notch higher.'},\n {'end_time': '25:37', 'start_time': '25:35', 'text': 'These are people who give advises.'},\n {'end_time': '25:38', 'start_time': '25:37', 'text': 'We just give orders.'},\n {'end_time': '25:38', 'start_time': '25:38', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '25:42', 'start_time': '25:40', 'text': 'You know, so that is a hokam chan.'},\n {'end_time': '25:46', 'start_time': '25:42', 'text': \"The person who's just given a order.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:50', 'start_time': '25:46', 'text': \"So, you know, so these are 2 chans that you'll be very, very careful about.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:02', 'start_time': '25:51', 'text': 'The 3rd chan that comes in is the gyan chand, you know, who thinks themselves You know, they are both fighting.'},\n {'end_time': '26:03', 'start_time': '26:02', 'text': 'Let them be.'},\n {'end_time': '26:08', 'start_time': '26:03', 'text': 'Let me open my own school and my own which is gyan.'},\n {'end_time': '26:08', 'start_time': '26:08', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '26:09', 'start_time': '26:08', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '26:14', 'start_time': '26:09', 'text': 'So they will start quoting the various books and so on and so forth.'},\n {'end_time': '26:21', 'start_time': '26:14', 'text': 'And then the first thing you ask them, Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '26:24', 'start_time': '26:21', 'text': 'So they think themselves to be the biggest gyanis Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '26:29', 'start_time': '26:25', 'text': \"Of this entire, universe, and they'll be the gyan chans of life.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:30', 'start_time': '26:29', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '26:42', 'start_time': '26:30', 'text': \"The 4th chan that you got to be very, very careful of is the who think that these 3 are absolute fools, and the only thing that one knows is me because I'm the most, clever of the lot.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:43', 'start_time': '26:42', 'text': \"So I'm the.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:52', 'start_time': '26:43', 'text': \"So you said, great granddaddy is me, and I'm Hushyarchan.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:57', 'start_time': '26:53', 'text': 'So he will be a mixture of all those 3, the 4th one.'},\n {'end_time': '27:00', 'start_time': '26:57', 'text': 'So the idea is not to be any of the 4.'},\n {'end_time': '27:04', 'start_time': '27:01', 'text': 'The idea is to be the 5th, which is Karam Chant.'},\n {'end_time': '27:04', 'start_time': '27:04', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '27:09', 'start_time': '27:04', 'text': \"You do your business, you do what you need to do, and you'll be happy with it.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:14', 'start_time': '27:09', 'text': 'And let all these 4 Chants live in their own delusionary world and not bother.'},\n {'end_time': '27:17', 'start_time': '27:14', 'text': 'And you keep doing your, Karam as they say.'},\n {'end_time': '27:23', 'start_time': '27:23', 'text': 'Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '27:26', 'start_time': '27:24', 'text': 'Is that the advice you got from your family?'},\n {'end_time': '27:26', 'start_time': '27:26', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '27:27', 'start_time': '27:26', 'text': 'In a nutshell.'},\n {'end_time': '27:27', 'start_time': '27:27', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '27:32', 'start_time': '27:27', 'text': 'So if you would have asked me what does it mean, explain it to me, then this is what the explanation is.'},\n {'end_time': '27:33', 'start_time': '27:32', 'text': 'Reverse answer.'},\n {'end_time': '27:39', 'start_time': '27:33', 'text': 'So so not to be any of these people, but focus on what you need to what you need to do and be the Karamchand.'},\n {'end_time': '27:43', 'start_time': '27:42', 'text': 'Direct descendant of Marana Pratap.'},\n {'end_time': '27:50', 'start_time': '27:43', 'text': \"So do you think that this is the message that's been passed on the generations also that you Okay.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:58', 'start_time': '27:51', 'text': \"There's no question about the message that's been passed on the generations also that you Absolutely.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:59', 'start_time': '27:58', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '28:00', 'start_time': '27:59', 'text': 'There is no question about it.'},\n {'end_time': '28:10', 'start_time': '28:00', 'text': \"You know, at the end of the day, it's a message that is going to be passed in any, family, that is conscious of, doing the right thing.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:11', 'start_time': '28:10', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '28:11', 'start_time': '28:11', 'text': 'Execution.'},\n {'end_time': '28:12', 'start_time': '28:11', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '28:15', 'start_time': '28:12', 'text': \"Otherwise, we wouldn't have been floating on this planet for 1500 years.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:23', 'start_time': '28:15', 'text': \"So what is your, you know, life's most impactful three movies, which have had, like, the deepest impact on you as a person?\"},\n {'end_time': '28:25', 'start_time': '28:23', 'text': \"There's a first film is called Dosti.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:28', 'start_time': '28:25', 'text': 'The second film is called Dosti, and the third film is called Dosti.'},\n {'end_time': '28:29', 'start_time': '28:28', 'text': 'It was shot in the sixties.'},\n {'end_time': '28:29', 'start_time': '28:29', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '28:31', 'start_time': '28:29', 'text': \"And it's a fantastic film.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:31', 'start_time': '28:31', 'text': \"What's it about?\"},\n {'end_time': '28:32', 'start_time': '28:32', 'text': 'Dosti.'},\n {'end_time': '28:34', 'start_time': '28:32', 'text': 'Could you explain it a little more?'},\n {'end_time': '28:36', 'start_time': '28:34', 'text': 'For that, you really need to watch the film.'},\n {'end_time': '28:37', 'start_time': '28:36', 'text': \"It's all about friendship.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:41', 'start_time': '28:37', 'text': 'And it tells you a lot of parameters, and and teaches you a lot about life.'},\n {'end_time': '28:43', 'start_time': '28:41', 'text': 'Sometimes cinema does do good, may not be all the time.'},\n {'end_time': '28:45', 'start_time': '28:43', 'text': \"We won't go down that route just now.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:55', 'start_time': '28:45', 'text': 'But, but, yes, sometimes they do have a great impact on you, and I think this is certainly one such film, that, you know, done in a very ordinary manner, but has an extraordinary impact.'},\n {'end_time': '29:00', 'start_time': '28:56', 'text': \"So when you look around you I'm just talking about Udaipur for now.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:02', 'start_time': '29:00', 'text': 'When you look around you, what do you feel when you see Udaipur?'},\n {'end_time': '29:04', 'start_time': '29:03', 'text': 'A place where you can hear silence.'},\n {'end_time': '29:06', 'start_time': '29:06', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '29:12', 'start_time': '29:10', 'text': 'What do you feel about your home?'},\n {'end_time': '29:13', 'start_time': '29:12', 'text': 'Exactly that.'},\n {'end_time': '29:13', 'start_time': '29:13', 'text': 'It is home.'},\n {'end_time': '29:20', 'start_time': '29:13', 'text': \"How home is to everyone that at the end of the day, a place where you can actually listen to silence and interpret what it's trying to say.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:27', 'start_time': '29:20', 'text': \"It's a place where you can be with your family, you can be with your loved ones, you can be with your children, you can be with your girlfriend, you can be with your wife, you can be here alone.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:27', 'start_time': '29:27', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '29:28', 'start_time': '29:27', 'text': \"You'll have peace here.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:29', 'start_time': '29:28', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '29:34', 'start_time': '29:29', 'text': 'Have you ever had a conversation with your granddad about what it was like during British times?'},\n {'end_time': '29:38', 'start_time': '29:34', 'text': 'Unfortunately, my grandfather passed away before I was born.'},\n {'end_time': '29:43', 'start_time': '29:38', 'text': \"So I didn't, that is one of my regrets of my life but again something that is not in your control.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:46', 'start_time': '29:43', 'text': 'But But any of your elder relatives, have you spoken to them about?'},\n {'end_time': '29:47', 'start_time': '29:46', 'text': 'Well, constantly.'},\n {'end_time': '29:48', 'start_time': '29:47', 'text': 'How things were different?'},\n {'end_time': '29:49', 'start_time': '29:48', 'text': 'Constantly.'},\n {'end_time': '29:49', 'start_time': '29:49', 'text': 'Constantly.'},\n {'end_time': '29:52', 'start_time': '29:49', 'text': '1st and foremost, we were never subservient to the English.'},\n {'end_time': '29:53', 'start_time': '29:52', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '29:56', 'start_time': '29:53', 'text': 'So, one of the areas that never came underneath the British rule Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '29:57', 'start_time': '29:56', 'text': 'Or the make mobile rule.'},\n {'end_time': '29:58', 'start_time': '29:57', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '30:00', 'start_time': '29:58', 'text': 'So which is something that we pride ourselves about.'},\n {'end_time': '30:03', 'start_time': '30:00', 'text': 'That is our greatest wealth, which is our self respect and our dignity.'},\n {'end_time': '30:03', 'start_time': '30:03', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '30:08', 'start_time': '30:03', 'text': 'You know, that was something that was never for sale and was never given up at any any cost.'},\n {'end_time': '30:08', 'start_time': '30:08', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '30:08', 'start_time': '30:08', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '30:12', 'start_time': '30:09', 'text': 'You know, so that was that was not up for auction.'},\n {'end_time': '30:22', 'start_time': '30:12', 'text': \"So, so that is the greatest thing that we've ever spoken about was exactly that that they may have been floating around in this country, but they were never able to have 100% rule on this country Right.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:34', 'start_time': '30:22', 'text': 'Was because of a certain family that did not allow them to take over, their particular place or whatever the consequences may be or whatever they may have thrown at us at that, perhaps at that point in time.'},\n {'end_time': '30:44', 'start_time': '30:34', 'text': \"And something that I share with a lot pride and, you know, help to, clear a lot of cobwebs in people's mind through your channel is the fact that we were the first family to merge in the Republic of India as well.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:45', 'start_time': '30:44', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '30:48', 'start_time': '30:45', 'text': \"We were the first state to say that let's make a Republic of India.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:48', 'start_time': '30:48', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '30:51', 'start_time': '30:48', 'text': 'So which is something that we, pride ourselves on.'},\n {'end_time': '30:59', 'start_time': '30:51', 'text': 'So, my grandfather, my great grandfather, had the opportunity of going to the Red Fort, hoisting the national flag, and declaring India independent.'},\n {'end_time': '31:09', 'start_time': '30:59', 'text': 'Now that is something that, you know, we, take pride in in being able to share this beautiful country and its heritage and its lineage with, the rest of the world.'},\n {'end_time': '31:15', 'start_time': '31:09', 'text': \"Were there monarchs back then, like, when India just become independent, who weren't completely willing to become a part of the republic?\"},\n {'end_time': '31:17', 'start_time': '31:15', 'text': \"That's that's what history tells you.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:19', 'start_time': '31:17', 'text': 'On on a human level, what do you think was they thinking?'},\n {'end_time': '31:21', 'start_time': '31:20', 'text': 'Not on a political level.'},\n {'end_time': '31:22', 'start_time': '31:21', 'text': \"I'm I'm I'm not them.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:34', 'start_time': '31:22', 'text': \"So, to be very honest, that was not something that we did, neither do we understand that, we didn't understand it then, nor did my forefathers understand their philosophy or their thought process or their approach then.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:45', 'start_time': '31:34', 'text': \"And we don't understand it 70 years hence of India's independence either because, Mahana Pratap's first battle or first fight was for independence.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:53', 'start_time': '31:45', 'text': 'So the word Swatantra was given birth during his famous war of Haldighati, is where the word independence came in.'},\n {'end_time': '32:04', 'start_time': '31:53', 'text': 'So Mewar has been wanting independence, for a very long time, which finally came in in 1947 through different, rules, through different reigns, through different people that came from the outside.'},\n {'end_time': '32:11', 'start_time': '32:05', 'text': 'And finally, an independent India was, was born, which is all what we have always wanted to to have.'},\n {'end_time': '32:11', 'start_time': '32:11', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '32:13', 'start_time': '32:12', 'text': 'So you have kids now?'},\n {'end_time': '32:13', 'start_time': '32:13', 'text': 'Jay.'},\n {'end_time': '32:17', 'start_time': '32:13', 'text': 'But if you could only pass on one life lesson to your kids, what would that life lesson be?'},\n {'end_time': '32:19', 'start_time': '32:17', 'text': 'Be who they are and want to be.'},\n {'end_time': '32:20', 'start_time': '32:19', 'text': 'Like explain that?'},\n {'end_time': '32:21', 'start_time': '32:20', 'text': 'Exactly that.'},\n {'end_time': '32:22', 'start_time': '32:21', 'text': 'Just be yourself.'},\n {'end_time': '32:22', 'start_time': '32:22', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '32:23', 'start_time': '32:22', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '32:28', 'start_time': '32:23', 'text': 'Without me trying to govern their life or teaching them, what to do.'},\n {'end_time': '32:30', 'start_time': '32:28', 'text': 'The idea is that they are already intelligent.'},\n {'end_time': '32:33', 'start_time': '32:30', 'text': 'We need to understand the fact that they are our teachers.'},\n {'end_time': '32:34', 'start_time': '32:33', 'text': 'We are not their teachers.'},\n {'end_time': '32:36', 'start_time': '32:34', 'text': 'We are going to make them dumber by teaching them.'},\n {'end_time': '32:42', 'start_time': '32:36', 'text': 'And today, if we could open a school, I would open a school for parents of our age rather than sending these kids to school Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '32:43', 'start_time': '32:42', 'text': 'Because they are born superintelligent.'},\n {'end_time': '32:45', 'start_time': '32:44', 'text': 'They are exceptionally sensitive.'},\n {'end_time': '32:47', 'start_time': '32:46', 'text': 'They are aware of their surroundings.'},\n {'end_time': '32:49', 'start_time': '32:48', 'text': 'They know what they want.'},\n {'end_time': '32:59', 'start_time': '32:49', 'text': \"Our job is to be able to nurture and flourish them, and help them and aid them to be what they want to be rather than from our side, oh, you shouldn't do this and you shouldn't do this and you shouldn't do this.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:03', 'start_time': '32:59', 'text': \"So they don't from our vocabulary, vis a vis them, should get deleted.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:09', 'start_time': '33:03', 'text': \"Obviously, one doesn't mean it in a manner when they're standing somewhere dangerously and not saying no to them.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:15', 'start_time': '33:09', 'text': 'But otherwise, the idea is that what they want to do in their daily life should just be really, encouraged.'},\n {'end_time': '33:21', 'start_time': '33:15', 'text': \"And when you have certain times when you just let things be natural and don't poke and prod them, they flourish better.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:29', 'start_time': '33:21', 'text': \"So, you know, when a human is younger in general, it's a natural human tendency to be a little more fiery, little more hormones flying around.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:29', 'start_time': '33:29', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '33:32', 'start_time': '33:29', 'text': \"So is there anything from your youth that I won't say regret.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:33', 'start_time': '33:32', 'text': 'Regret is a strong word.'},\n {'end_time': '33:36', 'start_time': '33:33', 'text': \"But is there anything from your youth that you look back and say, you know, maybe shouldn't have thought like that.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:37', 'start_time': '33:36', 'text': \"Maybe shouldn't have been married.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:39', 'start_time': '33:38', 'text': 'Me old already by that story.'},\n {'end_time': '33:39', 'start_time': '33:39', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '33:40', 'start_time': '33:39', 'text': 'Pretty much.'},\n {'end_time': '33:42', 'start_time': '33:41', 'text': 'Oh, thank god.'},\n {'end_time': '33:45', 'start_time': '33:44', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '33:55', 'start_time': '33:45', 'text': \"I I don't I think it's it's all that is all a part of now my experience, and I don't think that there is anything, then, that I would feel that I have, not got on me just now.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:56', 'start_time': '33:55', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '34:11', 'start_time': '33:56', 'text': \"Certain things in life, way it may have been featured or, the way it unfolded may not have allowed me to do certain things, But, there isn't anything now that, one feels that one cannot do or achieve or not willing to do with the experience that you have.\"},\n {'end_time': '34:19', 'start_time': '34:11', 'text': 'And this may again change dynamically a year later, 6 months later, 5 years later depending on which point or junction of life that you may be at.'},\n {'end_time': '34:20', 'start_time': '34:19', 'text': 'Crazy.'},\n {'end_time': '34:22', 'start_time': '34:20', 'text': \"And I'm gonna ask a little shameless question.\"},\n {'end_time': '34:22', 'start_time': '34:22', 'text': 'Okay?'},\n {'end_time': '34:23', 'start_time': '34:22', 'text': 'Please.'},\n {'end_time': '34:28', 'start_time': '34:23', 'text': 'Did you get a lot of female attention back in the day for being a prince or a king?'},\n {'end_time': '34:36', 'start_time': '34:28', 'text': 'Well, you would probably not believe this, but in this I can be confident of my family of actually saying the truth.'},\n {'end_time': '34:38', 'start_time': '34:36', 'text': 'I was a very very shy person.'},\n {'end_time': '34:42', 'start_time': '34:38', 'text': 'I would look for a corner in a round room, you know, which is which is absolutely a fact.'},\n {'end_time': '34:52', 'start_time': '34:42', 'text': \"Even if you did get a lot of attention at that point in time, you know, it just didn't and I went to an all boys school, a boarding school, which clearly didn't help the question that you just asked.\"},\n {'end_time': '34:58', 'start_time': '34:52', 'text': 'So, and and and post that, as I said, I was exceptionally a shy, shyer person.'},\n {'end_time': '35:04', 'start_time': '34:58', 'text': 'And then, you know, as things progressed, you kind of understood things better and differently and all of that.'},\n {'end_time': '35:15', 'start_time': '35:04', 'text': \"But, yes, I think the prime time of it one was, you know, just looking at friends who were like you and would give you company to get too busy as if talking to yourself so that you didn't have to talk to somebody else.\"},\n {'end_time': '35:16', 'start_time': '35:15', 'text': 'You were introverted back then?'},\n {'end_time': '35:17', 'start_time': '35:17', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '35:20', 'start_time': '35:17', 'text': 'How did you become this extroverted person that you are?'},\n {'end_time': '35:29', 'start_time': '35:21', 'text': 'For the pure reason that a lot of people thought that, you know, one was being arrogant, one was trying to be rude, but they did not understand the fact that one was just being shy.'},\n {'end_time': '35:35', 'start_time': '35:30', 'text': \"And and it was a wrong message that was just being sent that, oh, you know, this person doesn't want to talk or doesn't want to say hello.\"},\n {'end_time': '35:38', 'start_time': '35:35', 'text': 'They think, something else or being just being rude.'},\n {'end_time': '35:39', 'start_time': '35:38', 'text': 'Whereas it was nowhere anywhere close to it.'},\n {'end_time': '35:42', 'start_time': '35:39', 'text': 'I was just really not confident in talking to someone.'},\n {'end_time': '35:43', 'start_time': '35:42', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '35:43', 'start_time': '35:43', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '35:50', 'start_time': '35:43', 'text': 'So that kind of gave me the motivation rather than it being a disadvantage or that it want that situation being very, very negative towards me.'},\n {'end_time': '35:55', 'start_time': '35:50', 'text': 'I thought might as well try and convert that into, into an advantage and try and do something about it.'},\n {'end_time': '36:06', 'start_time': '35:55', 'text': \"And then slowly, slowly, slowly, baby steps, one thing at a time allowed you to to grow and, not let that other person feel that you are being rude, but, it's just that that's how you were.\"},\n {'end_time': '36:13', 'start_time': '36:06', 'text': 'So a lack of confidence usually arises from something that happened in your childhood or some image you have of yourself in your own head.'},\n {'end_time': '36:15', 'start_time': '36:13', 'text': 'So what was that for you which you overcame?'},\n {'end_time': '36:19', 'start_time': '36:16', 'text': 'I I think I was very comfortable in my own company, which I still am.'},\n {'end_time': '36:19', 'start_time': '36:19', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '36:22', 'start_time': '36:19', 'text': \"So now you're I'm just able to divide the 2 better.\"},\n {'end_time': '36:23', 'start_time': '36:23', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '36:25', 'start_time': '36:23', 'text': \"So even if I want to spend time with myself, I'll still do that today.\"},\n {'end_time': '36:28', 'start_time': '36:25', 'text': \"But it won't be at the cost of being rude to you.\"},\n {'end_time': '36:28', 'start_time': '36:28', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '36:31', 'start_time': '36:28', 'text': \"That if I didn't want to talk to you, I I wouldn't know how to avoid you.\"},\n {'end_time': '36:33', 'start_time': '36:31', 'text': \"And now I won't know what to do.\"},\n {'end_time': '36:36', 'start_time': '36:33', 'text': 'And, you know, so, you know, you could get caught up in that mess.'},\n {'end_time': '36:52', 'start_time': '36:36', 'text': \"Now you don't get caught up in that mess You are able to handle that situation better So if I need to be with you here and I need to talk to you and I need to be who I need to be and what I need to be then I might as well do it and do it properly So that, you know, at the end of the day you don't hurt anybody's feelings, you don't disrespect someone that is very, very important.\"},\n {'end_time': '36:59', 'start_time': '36:52', 'text': \"I think unintentionally people were just getting disrespected and they didn't realize that, that that was the that was the case.\"},\n {'end_time': '37:02', 'start_time': '36:59', 'text': 'So you just manage the two sides, well now.'},\n {'end_time': '37:05', 'start_time': '37:02', 'text': 'Today, if I need to spend some time with myself, nobody is stopping me to spend time with myself.'},\n {'end_time': '37:08', 'start_time': '37:05', 'text': \"I can do that as well and I don't need to run away from people.\"},\n {'end_time': '37:10', 'start_time': '37:08', 'text': 'So I have the best of both worlds.'},\n {'end_time': '37:11', 'start_time': '37:10', 'text': 'How do you spot bootlickers?'},\n {'end_time': '37:13', 'start_time': '37:12', 'text': 'What does that even mean?'},\n {'end_time': '37:14', 'start_time': '37:13', 'text': 'Like someone who sucks up to you.'},\n {'end_time': '37:17', 'start_time': '37:14', 'text': 'Oh, oh, very, very easily now.'},\n {'end_time': '37:22', 'start_time': '37:17', 'text': \"You know, it's just one of those things that that's what you learn, you know, sitting where you sit, you meet so many thousands of people every day.\"},\n {'end_time': '37:22', 'start_time': '37:22', 'text': 'From childhood?'},\n {'end_time': '37:22', 'start_time': '37:22', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '37:23', 'start_time': '37:22', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '37:25', 'start_time': '37:23', 'text': 'So what what was the formula?'},\n {'end_time': '37:26', 'start_time': '37:25', 'text': 'There was no formula.'},\n {'end_time': '37:30', 'start_time': '37:26', 'text': 'You know, people would just try and come and these days a lot of those tactics have started to change.'},\n {'end_time': '37:42', 'start_time': '37:30', 'text': 'So you have to keep up with the trend of how people do that job differently every day, you know, so you that is a part that I go to and get that experience for free completely, you know.'},\n {'end_time': '37:45', 'start_time': '37:42', 'text': 'But can can you give us a viewpoint from that side of the court?'},\n {'end_time': '37:46', 'start_time': '37:45', 'text': 'Like, what are you seeing?'},\n {'end_time': '38:07', 'start_time': '38:07', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '38:10', 'start_time': '38:07', 'text': 'So sometimes now this has two sides to the edge.'},\n {'end_time': '38:12', 'start_time': '38:10', 'text': 'You know, sometimes that may be absolutely correct.'},\n {'end_time': '38:12', 'start_time': '38:12', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '38:15', 'start_time': '38:12', 'text': \"I'm not known for my, dressing sense at all.\"},\n {'end_time': '38:23', 'start_time': '38:15', 'text': 'And sometimes that just has got to do with somebody, you know, trying to, say a negative to you to be able to get you Closer to them.'},\n {'end_time': '38:27', 'start_time': '38:24', 'text': \"Closer to them to saying, oh, you know, this person has actually said something that other people won't.\"},\n {'end_time': '38:33', 'start_time': '38:27', 'text': \"So they want to use that card to be able to present something that they would feel that usually people won't say.\"},\n {'end_time': '38:36', 'start_time': '38:34', 'text': \"So, you know, so you've got to be very conscious of the fact.\"},\n {'end_time': '38:40', 'start_time': '38:36', 'text': 'You know, sometimes when people sitting with their arms closed may just be hugging themselves.'},\n {'end_time': '38:40', 'start_time': '38:40', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '38:45', 'start_time': '38:41', 'text': 'And sometimes people sitting with their arms closed may be being actually closed.'},\n {'end_time': '38:55', 'start_time': '38:45', 'text': \"Now that is something you've got to be careful of the fact that is it something that is just an emotional physical touch to yourself, or is it somebody who's actually being closed?\"},\n {'end_time': '39:03', 'start_time': '38:55', 'text': 'Now that depends on your levels of expertise, knowledge, depth, understanding, to be able to perceive a situation and not jump to conclusion.'},\n {'end_time': '39:07', 'start_time': '39:03', 'text': 'And you may be able to come out to a conclusion that we maybe, maybe not.'},\n {'end_time': '39:29', 'start_time': '39:22', 'text': 'Know, there are a lot of people who come who like to have their arms around themselves and they just like to be, you know, feeling comfortable and and hug themselves.'},\n {'end_time': '39:33', 'start_time': '39:29', 'text': \"And, you know, that's something that we should be open to be able to see.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:34', 'start_time': '39:33', 'text': 'But you do study body language?'},\n {'end_time': '39:38', 'start_time': '39:34', 'text': 'Oh, by now, it just becomes first nature to you.'},\n {'end_time': '39:42', 'start_time': '39:38', 'text': 'You know, by default, a lot of these things that just your antennas just go up.'},\n {'end_time': '39:52', 'start_time': '39:42', 'text': \"You know, a lot of these things you just end end up noticing, not because you want to, but it's just because your eyes have just got trained that way.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:53', 'start_time': '39:52', 'text': 'Your ears just stand up.'},\n {'end_time': '39:58', 'start_time': '39:53', 'text': \"Even if you may not be looking at something, but if something's being spoken, your ears would just, stand up on on certain things.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:04', 'start_time': '39:58', 'text': 'So these things happen when you are in a certain scenario, certain space, and and it just teaches you from there on.'},\n {'end_time': '40:08', 'start_time': '40:04', 'text': 'And the flip side question, what do you enjoy about certain people?'},\n {'end_time': '40:10', 'start_time': '40:08', 'text': 'Like, why do you go like, okay, I can be friends with this person?'},\n {'end_time': '40:11', 'start_time': '40:10', 'text': 'Exactly.'},\n {'end_time': '40:11', 'start_time': '40:11', 'text': 'Because of that reason.'},\n {'end_time': '40:13', 'start_time': '40:11', 'text': \"It's entertainment for free.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:13', 'start_time': '40:13', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '40:13', 'start_time': '40:13', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '40:15', 'start_time': '40:13', 'text': \"I'm not I'm not saying friends with the bootleggers.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:15', 'start_time': '40:15', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '40:18', 'start_time': '40:15', 'text': \"I'm saying the actual They think that you are their friends.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:18', 'start_time': '40:18', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '40:19', 'start_time': '40:18', 'text': 'I may not be.'},\n {'end_time': '40:22', 'start_time': '40:19', 'text': \"So from your side, I'm giving you the answer.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:24', 'start_time': '40:22', 'text': 'You think I am your friend, but I may not be.'},\n {'end_time': '40:26', 'start_time': '40:24', 'text': \"But I may be just a I don't think you're your friend.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:27', 'start_time': '40:26', 'text': \"I think you're my brother.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:32', 'start_time': '40:27', 'text': \"That's that's a very intense and a very, fond association.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:42', 'start_time': '40:32', 'text': \"But, yes, exactly from from a perspective of somebody who's come up to, you know, keep you on the right side for the wrong reasons, exactly that they'll come and start telling you stuff.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:43', 'start_time': '40:42', 'text': \"But I'm gonna give you some advice.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:44', 'start_time': '40:43', 'text': 'Gee.'},\n {'end_time': '40:48', 'start_time': '40:44', 'text': \"I think you're not really well dressed today, and I'm only telling you this.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:50', 'start_time': '40:48', 'text': 'So no.'},\n {'end_time': '40:51', 'start_time': '40:50', 'text': \"I'm kidding.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:51', 'start_time': '40:51', 'text': \"I'm kidding.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:52', 'start_time': '40:51', 'text': \"You know, I'm kidding.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:53', 'start_time': '40:52', 'text': 'But okay.'},\n {'end_time': '40:56', 'start_time': '40:53', 'text': 'I I I actually wanna know the people you genuinely select to be around you.'},\n {'end_time': '40:58', 'start_time': '40:57', 'text': 'Is it the good energy you sense from them?'},\n {'end_time': '40:59', 'start_time': '40:58', 'text': 'Like, okay.'},\n {'end_time': '41:00', 'start_time': '40:59', 'text': 'This person is not a bootlego.'},\n {'end_time': '41:02', 'start_time': '41:02', 'text': 'Like a.'},\n {'end_time': '41:02', 'start_time': '41:02', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '41:02', 'start_time': '41:02', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '41:03', 'start_time': '41:02', 'text': \"You know, it's not it's not like that at all.\"},\n {'end_time': '41:04', 'start_time': '41:03', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '41:07', 'start_time': '41:04', 'text': 'At the end of the day, you got to be very, very open.'},\n {'end_time': '41:10', 'start_time': '41:07', 'text': \"You cannot be closed on these things because you don't know.\"},\n {'end_time': '41:21', 'start_time': '41:13', 'text': 'And you need to not be looking at them and making the same mistake like they make for me and thinking of them with that excess baggage in in mind.'},\n {'end_time': '41:26', 'start_time': '41:21', 'text': \"Otherwise, if you ask me, I my my I have my childhood friends who I've known for 30 years, and I hang out with them.\"},\n {'end_time': '41:29', 'start_time': '41:26', 'text': 'So there is really no that so that is one compartment.'},\n {'end_time': '41:33', 'start_time': '41:30', 'text': 'But at the end of the day, does that mean that do I close the doors on the rest of the world?'},\n {'end_time': '41:34', 'start_time': '41:33', 'text': 'Not at all.'},\n {'end_time': '41:34', 'start_time': '41:34', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '41:34', 'start_time': '41:34', 'text': 'Yeah?'},\n {'end_time': '41:38', 'start_time': '41:35', 'text': \"So, and that won't allow me a meeting with you.\"},\n {'end_time': '41:38', 'start_time': '41:38', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '41:44', 'start_time': '41:38', 'text': \"I I won't be sitting here with you being able to learn and understand, how this world works, you know.\"},\n {'end_time': '41:48', 'start_time': '41:44', 'text': \"So I would be closing my doors on on a lot of things, and I don't think that that's fair for my growth.\"},\n {'end_time': '41:49', 'start_time': '41:48', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '41:54', 'start_time': '41:49', 'text': \"And and it's important that every day I think consistency is perhaps the worst thing that could happen to humans.\"},\n {'end_time': '42:00', 'start_time': '41:54', 'text': \"And, and to not to be bitten by that bug, it's very important for you to be open now.\"},\n {'end_time': '42:02', 'start_time': '42:00', 'text': \"You will find all sorts of people, but nobody's forcing you.\"},\n {'end_time': '42:03', 'start_time': '42:02', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '42:06', 'start_time': '42:03', 'text': \"So at the end of the day, you've got to rely on your judgment.\"},\n {'end_time': '42:12', 'start_time': '42:06', 'text': 'You got to be able to absorb, understand and respect and appreciate what is coming to you.'},\n {'end_time': '42:16', 'start_time': '42:12', 'text': 'To be able to choose it or not to choose it is the very end process.'},\n {'end_time': '42:17', 'start_time': '42:17', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '42:22', 'start_time': '42:18', 'text': \"So you know actually we're talking on I think it's the 27th today, 28th?\"},\n {'end_time': '42:24', 'start_time': '42:22', 'text': 'And Kobe Bryant passed away last night.'},\n {'end_time': '42:26', 'start_time': '42:24', 'text': 'Kobe Bryant was a huge idol for me.'},\n {'end_time': '42:30', 'start_time': '42:26', 'text': 'And he actually got me out of a lot of low phases of my own life, my own career.'},\n {'end_time': '42:34', 'start_time': '42:30', 'text': 'And the one statement of his that stays with me is you set your own limits.'},\n {'end_time': '42:39', 'start_time': '42:34', 'text': 'Like everyone puts themselves into brackets, into roofs saying that no I can only reach her in life.'},\n {'end_time': '42:42', 'start_time': '42:39', 'text': 'And your job as a human is to constantly break those barriers.'},\n {'end_time': '42:45', 'start_time': '42:42', 'text': \"And I feel like that's a message he's left for his world.\"},\n {'end_time': '42:47', 'start_time': '42:45', 'text': 'What is the message you wanna leave for your world?'},\n {'end_time': '42:52', 'start_time': '42:47', 'text': 'If, say, you know, something wrong would happen tomorrow, what is that one statement you wanna be remembered for?'},\n {'end_time': '42:56', 'start_time': '42:54', 'text': 'That I will let, the world decide.'},\n {'end_time': '42:58', 'start_time': '42:56', 'text': \"That's not not for me to tell.\"},\n {'end_time': '43:02', 'start_time': '42:58', 'text': \"You know, that's obviously going to be something that is going to come out of what I have done.\"},\n {'end_time': '43:11', 'start_time': '43:03', 'text': 'So so if if it was to be that, then I think, the world is a is a better teacher.'},\n {'end_time': '43:13', 'start_time': '43:11', 'text': 'Can I translate this answer?'},\n {'end_time': '43:13', 'start_time': '43:13', 'text': 'Jay, please.'},\n {'end_time': '43:15', 'start_time': '43:13', 'text': 'I feel like your answer is just stay humble.'},\n {'end_time': '43:18', 'start_time': '43:17', 'text': 'Well well, if that would be, then yes.'},\n {'end_time': '43:21', 'start_time': '43:18', 'text': 'I would be happy if that was to be written on my last journey.'},\n {'end_time': '43:26', 'start_time': '43:21', 'text': 'I I think that is a tag that I could perhaps be in peace of, wherever I would have been.'},\n {'end_time': '43:27', 'start_time': '43:26', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '43:27', 'start_time': '43:27', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '43:27', 'start_time': '43:27', 'text': 'Cool.'},\n {'end_time': '43:29', 'start_time': '43:27', 'text': 'I hope you enjoyed the podcast.'},\n {'end_time': '43:30', 'start_time': '43:29', 'text': 'That was the conclusion.'},\n {'end_time': '43:31', 'start_time': '43:30', 'text': \"I'm sorry for the torture.\"},\n {'end_time': '43:31', 'start_time': '43:31', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '43:31', 'start_time': '43:31', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '43:33', 'start_time': '43:31', 'text': 'And for the sufferance that you had too.'},\n {'end_time': '43:34', 'start_time': '43:33', 'text': 'But thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '43:35', 'start_time': '43:34', 'text': \"I'm a sucker for perspective.\"},\n {'end_time': '43:37', 'start_time': '43:35', 'text': 'So I had a lot of fun, guys.'},\n {'end_time': '43:40', 'start_time': '43:37', 'text': \"I will be linking all of sir's handles down below.\"},\n {'end_time': '43:40', 'start_time': '43:40', 'text': 'Make sure you go follow.'},\n {'end_time': '43:42', 'start_time': '43:40', 'text': 'I hope you guys enjoyed it.'},\n {'end_time': '43:43', 'start_time': '43:42', 'text': 'I hope you guys gained value out of it.'},\n {'end_time': '43:46', 'start_time': '43:43', 'text': 'Sir, one quick piece of advice to the youth.'},\n {'end_time': '43:49', 'start_time': '43:48', 'text': 'Soch quit.'},\n {'end_time': '43:50', 'start_time': '43:50', 'text': 'Nice.'},\n {'end_time': '43:52', 'start_time': '43:52', 'text': 'And execute.'},\n {'end_time': '43:54', 'start_time': '43:53', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '43:54', 'start_time': '43:54', 'text': 'Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '43:55', 'start_time': '43:54', 'text': 'Thank you again, sir.'},\n {'end_time': '43:55', 'start_time': '43:55', 'text': 'Thank you so much.'},\n {'end_time': '43:58', 'start_time': '43:55', 'text': 'Very kind And, I hope you come back to the airport again.'},\n {'end_time': '43:58', 'start_time': '43:58', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '43:59', 'start_time': '43:58', 'text': 'Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '44:00', 'start_time': '43:59', 'text': 'Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '44:00', 'start_time': '44:00', 'text': 'See you guys.'}],\n dtype=object)}", 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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:01", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "Flagrant meets TRS." }, { "end_time": "0:02", "start_time": "0:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "0:03", "start_time": "0:02", "text": "I'm very excited to be here." }, { "end_time": "0:08", "start_time": "0:03", "text": "Akash Singh is the fastest rising star in the game of stand up comedy." }, { "end_time": "0:15", "start_time": "0:08", "text": "Known for his sharp wit and fearless humor Akash is also the cohost of the widely popular American podcast, Playground." }, { "end_time": "0:20", "start_time": "0:15", "text": "From the eighties until now, how's the perception of the Indian changed in America?" }, { "end_time": "0:23", "start_time": "0:20", "text": "The perception is, honestly, India is is coming." }, { "end_time": "0:28", "start_time": "0:23", "text": "I feel the k pop wave is over, and I actually predict Punjabi music is gonna have a big wave in America." }, { "end_time": "0:31", "start_time": "0:28", "text": "How it feels when you come back to India." }, { "end_time": "0:35", "start_time": "0:31", "text": "To Indians, I might be American, but when I come here, I'm like, no, I'm home." }, { "end_time": "0:39", "start_time": "0:35", "text": "I don't know if every Indian knows about what the term a b c d means." }, { "end_time": "0:40", "start_time": "0:39", "text": "We know who we are." }, { "end_time": "0:41", "start_time": "0:40", "text": "American born confused desi." }, { "end_time": "0:44", "start_time": "0:41", "text": "That is a struggle that we have of, like, what are we?" }, { "end_time": "0:45", "start_time": "0:44", "text": "Nobody thinks we're them." }, { "end_time": "0:48", "start_time": "0:45", "text": "I'm super curious about how Hollywood is perceived in America." }, { "end_time": "0:53", "start_time": "0:48", "text": "There's a cancel culture here that's very flimsy and you can go either way." }, { "end_time": "0:58", "start_time": "0:53", "text": "And there's, like, a forced diversity in Hollywood where let's put an Indian in this thing and then we're diverse." }, { "end_time": "1:01", "start_time": "0:58", "text": "Do Hindus in America know about the Mahabharata and Ramayana?" }, { "end_time": "1:02", "start_time": "1:02", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:04", "start_time": "1:02", "text": "We know of it, and then we all watch tapes." }, { "end_time": "1:05", "start_time": "1:04", "text": "The b r Chopra Mahabharata." }, { "end_time": "1:06", "start_time": "1:06", "text": "Maha." }, { "end_time": "1:08", "start_time": "1:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:09", "start_time": "1:08", "text": "That?" }, { "end_time": "1:09", "start_time": "1:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:10", "start_time": "1:09", "text": "I never got us into it." }, { "end_time": "1:11", "start_time": "1:10", "text": "On my end, I love, dude." }, { "end_time": "1:12", "start_time": "1:11", "text": "I thought it was awesome." }, { "end_time": "1:13", "start_time": "1:12", "text": "We're watching Hidamundi." }, { "end_time": "1:16", "start_time": "1:13", "text": "My wife, she was like, this is a Sanjay Leelavansali movie." }, { "end_time": "1:18", "start_time": "1:16", "text": "Do not expect happiness at the end." }, { "end_time": "1:21", "start_time": "1:18", "text": "And if she didn't tell me that, I would have been so devastated." }, { "end_time": "1:24", "start_time": "1:21", "text": "I've never seen any director make anything look as beautiful as he makes everything look." }, { "end_time": "1:26", "start_time": "1:24", "text": "Do you wanna talk about Gen Z America a little bit?" }, { "end_time": "1:27", "start_time": "1:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:28", "start_time": "1:27", "text": "Let's yell at them a little bit here." }, { "end_time": "1:28", "start_time": "1:28", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "1:30", "start_time": "1:28", "text": "Why do you say that, bro?" }, { "end_time": "1:34", "start_time": "1:30", "text": "Indians follow American politics from a geopolitical standpoint because whatever's happening in America affects everything." }, { "end_time": "1:37", "start_time": "1:34", "text": "I feel the whole world is getting more polarized, but America is the epicenter of it." }, { "end_time": "1:38", "start_time": "1:37", "text": "How do you feel about it?" }, { "end_time": "1:40", "start_time": "1:38", "text": "I'm worried about America, man." }, { "end_time": "1:43", "start_time": "1:40", "text": "We are shooting at political leaders, and that's a scary thing." }, { "end_time": "1:51", "start_time": "1:46", "text": "Akash Singh is now one of the most popular stand up comedians in America." }, { "end_time": "1:54", "start_time": "1:51", "text": "His fame has made its way to India as well." }, { "end_time": "1:59", "start_time": "1:54", "text": "He's the cohost of one of the world's most popular podcast, flagrant." }, { "end_time": "2:19", "start_time": "1:59", "text": "But in today's podcast, we're going to talk about the entire overseas Indian community, the community of NRIs, Indian culture, as well as the Indian culture that's been formed inherently in the United States of America because of 2nd and third generations of Indian immigrant families." }, { "end_time": "2:27", "start_time": "2:20", "text": "This is a very special podcast, not just for me, but I hope also for the entire NRI community." }, { "end_time": "2:34", "start_time": "2:28", "text": "This is kind of like a modern Indian American meets a modern Indian Indian style conversation." }, { "end_time": "2:38", "start_time": "2:35", "text": "Lots of fun, very insightful, and pretty deep." }, { "end_time": "2:40", "start_time": "2:38", "text": "It's Akash Singh on TRS." }, { "end_time": "3:05", "start_time": "3:00", "text": "We just recorded a very epic, recap of the Omani wedding." }, { "end_time": "3:05", "start_time": "3:05", "text": "Correct." }, { "end_time": "3:08", "start_time": "3:06", "text": "So in this podcast, we're gonna talk about everything Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:09", "start_time": "3:08", "text": "But the Omani wedding." }, { "end_time": "3:10", "start_time": "3:09", "text": "And it's good." }, { "end_time": "3:14", "start_time": "3:10", "text": "I'm so tired that my defenses are probably down, so ask me anything right now." }, { "end_time": "3:14", "start_time": "3:14", "text": "I'll be honest." }, { "end_time": "3:17", "start_time": "3:14", "text": "But I'm also pretty sure it's gonna come up in this conversation." }, { "end_time": "3:17", "start_time": "3:17", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "3:17", "start_time": "3:17", "text": "Good." }, { "end_time": "3:18", "start_time": "3:17", "text": "Let's go." }, { "end_time": "3:19", "start_time": "3:18", "text": "How are you, bro?" }, { "end_time": "3:20", "start_time": "3:19", "text": "How are you?" }, { "end_time": "3:21", "start_time": "3:20", "text": "Tired?" }, { "end_time": "3:22", "start_time": "3:21", "text": "Physically, yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:25", "start_time": "3:22", "text": "But, I know this is gonna be a good conversation, and I live for this." }, { "end_time": "3:26", "start_time": "3:25", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "3:26", "start_time": "3:26", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "3:27", "start_time": "3:26", "text": "Good." }, { "end_time": "3:28", "start_time": "3:27", "text": "Welcome to India, bro." }, { "end_time": "3:29", "start_time": "3:28", "text": "Thank you, man." }, { "end_time": "3:29", "start_time": "3:29", "text": "I'm excited." }, { "end_time": "3:30", "start_time": "3:29", "text": "I love being here." }, { "end_time": "3:35", "start_time": "3:30", "text": "The one thing that we admire deeply about America and India other than the culture." }, { "end_time": "3:36", "start_time": "3:35", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "3:39", "start_time": "3:36", "text": "Like, I'm talking about media culture, the shows, movies, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "3:43", "start_time": "3:40", "text": "The one thing we admire is everyone seems to be really ambitious." }, { "end_time": "3:46", "start_time": "3:43", "text": "I don't know if that's an overly generalized statement." }, { "end_time": "3:46", "start_time": "3:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:50", "start_time": "3:46", "text": "But at least the people whose work reaches us, the ambition is on another level." }, { "end_time": "3:55", "start_time": "3:50", "text": "Like like, we, as a country, have learned ambition by looking at America Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "3:56", "start_time": "3:55", "text": "And sales skills." }, { "end_time": "3:58", "start_time": "3:56", "text": "Everyone's a really good salesperson there." }, { "end_time": "3:58", "start_time": "3:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:00", "start_time": "3:58", "text": "Your mark I mean, a lot of entertainment." }, { "end_time": "4:04", "start_time": "4:01", "text": "Now that we are in our own everything, there's so much marketing involved." }, { "end_time": "4:06", "start_time": "4:04", "text": "And I'm still not great at that, to be honest with you." }, { "end_time": "4:10", "start_time": "4:06", "text": "But if the really good marketing can take you really far." }, { "end_time": "4:10", "start_time": "4:10", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "4:12", "start_time": "4:11", "text": "You you're talking about Indian marketing." }, { "end_time": "4:12", "start_time": "4:12", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "4:12", "start_time": "4:12", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "4:14", "start_time": "4:12", "text": "In a as an entertainer." }, { "end_time": "4:15", "start_time": "4:14", "text": "Probably both." }, { "end_time": "4:27", "start_time": "4:15", "text": "But in America with YouTube now, the dollar is strong enough and the GDP or, like, the per capita GDP is high enough that I don't need Hollywood to tell me I I'm in before I can make money." }, { "end_time": "4:34", "start_time": "4:27", "text": "I can actually make a lot more money outside of Hollywood if I get people to love me and become a part of my tribe." }, { "end_time": "4:36", "start_time": "4:34", "text": "And a part of that is marketing, if you want it to be." }, { "end_time": "4:41", "start_time": "4:36", "text": "That can really accelerate things at the very least, if not taken to heights that you can never reach without it." }, { "end_time": "4:49", "start_time": "4:41", "text": "So every entertainer now that's operating in that YouTube space is kind of marketing to a tribe, trying to reach their tribe, trying to form their tribe." }, { "end_time": "4:50", "start_time": "4:49", "text": "And we don't need anybody else." }, { "end_time": "4:51", "start_time": "4:50", "text": "We got us." }, { "end_time": "4:52", "start_time": "4:51", "text": "Build community." }, { "end_time": "4:53", "start_time": "4:52", "text": "And I tried to say that yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:01", "start_time": "4:53", "text": "I tried to say that to, an entertainer here who's, like, there's a cancel culture here that's very flimsy, and you can go either way." }, { "end_time": "5:02", "start_time": "5:01", "text": "And it wasn't you." }, { "end_time": "5:03", "start_time": "5:02", "text": "It was somebody else." }, { "end_time": "5:04", "start_time": "5:03", "text": "You're talking about India." }, { "end_time": "5:04", "start_time": "5:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:05", "start_time": "5:04", "text": "India." }, { "end_time": "5:08", "start_time": "5:05", "text": "And I said, well, why don't you just try to get your tribe?" }, { "end_time": "5:09", "start_time": "5:08", "text": "Like, that's what you would do in America." }, { "end_time": "5:13", "start_time": "5:09", "text": "He said, man, it's just not as much you just can't make it enough money that way." }, { "end_time": "5:13", "start_time": "5:13", "text": "That's true." }, { "end_time": "5:16", "start_time": "5:13", "text": "So you kind of have to supplicate yourself to this machine." }, { "end_time": "5:16", "start_time": "5:16", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "5:21", "start_time": "5:16", "text": "And if you get canceled and you lose your endorsements, you're fucked because that's how you make most of your money here." }, { "end_time": "5:25", "start_time": "5:21", "text": "But, you know, I also can't think of anyone who's gotten I mean, there's a few." }, { "end_time": "5:28", "start_time": "5:25", "text": "There's, like, a handful of people who've gotten canceled forever." }, { "end_time": "5:31", "start_time": "5:28", "text": "Feel our country allows you to bounce back very strongly from cancellation." }, { "end_time": "5:32", "start_time": "5:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:39", "start_time": "5:32", "text": "I think people especially because what cancel culture, I'm sure we needed to weed out some of these people, but some of them also, it's like, we're canceling this now." }, { "end_time": "5:40", "start_time": "5:39", "text": "There was an over extend." }, { "end_time": "5:44", "start_time": "5:40", "text": "Every time they canceled, they overcorrected to 1 or 2 people." }, { "end_time": "5:51", "start_time": "5:44", "text": "And then I think that kind of so we kept the few really bad seeds out, and, eventually, people woke up and were like, well, this guy didn't deserve that." }, { "end_time": "5:52", "start_time": "5:52", "text": "You know what I mean?" }, { "end_time": "6:01", "start_time": "5:55", "text": "Have you met anyone at a party who's been canceled in the past and is and stays canceled?" }, { "end_time": "6:02", "start_time": "6:02", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "6:03", "start_time": "6:02", "text": "I don't think so." }, { "end_time": "6:04", "start_time": "6:03", "text": "They stopped going on." }, { "end_time": "6:05", "start_time": "6:04", "text": "I can't think of it." }, { "end_time": "6:06", "start_time": "6:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:11", "start_time": "6:06", "text": "If you had a career before and you were talented and relatively well liked, you're good." }, { "end_time": "6:13", "start_time": "6:12", "text": "If you'd yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:15", "start_time": "6:13", "text": "If you stayed canceled, people hated you." }, { "end_time": "6:19", "start_time": "6:15", "text": "I'm super curious about how Hollywood is perceived in America now." }, { "end_time": "6:22", "start_time": "6:19", "text": "There's a growing sentiment of, like, dis disdain." }, { "end_time": "6:27", "start_time": "6:23", "text": "I know it's probably too strong of a word, but, like, yeah, we don't there's still idol." }, { "end_time": "6:34", "start_time": "6:27", "text": "Like, idol worship is not the right word because, you know, it's an actual but, like, yeah, there's still, like, a certain deification of them." }, { "end_time": "6:35", "start_time": "6:34", "text": "Icon worship." }, { "end_time": "6:36", "start_time": "6:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:41", "start_time": "6:36", "text": "But there's this also a growing, like, amount of, like, you guys are so out of touch with reality." }, { "end_time": "6:44", "start_time": "6:41", "text": "You pretend you're just sitting there preaching about politics." }, { "end_time": "6:45", "start_time": "6:44", "text": "You don't know shit." }, { "end_time": "6:46", "start_time": "6:45", "text": "You don't do anything to help anybody." }, { "end_time": "6:47", "start_time": "6:46", "text": "You're selfish." }, { "end_time": "6:48", "start_time": "6:47", "text": "You're narcissistic." }, { "end_time": "6:49", "start_time": "6:48", "text": "Blah blah blah." }, { "end_time": "6:54", "start_time": "6:49", "text": "And I think that's probably just that just happens on the flip side if you get worshiped too much." }, { "end_time": "6:55", "start_time": "6:54", "text": "That's why I don't ever want that." }, { "end_time": "6:56", "start_time": "6:55", "text": "Alright, guys." }, { "end_time": "6:57", "start_time": "6:56", "text": "I'll look at the camera right now." }, { "end_time": "6:58", "start_time": "6:57", "text": "I'm not I'm not a great guy." }, { "end_time": "6:59", "start_time": "6:59", "text": "I try to be nice." }, { "end_time": "7:00", "start_time": "6:59", "text": "I fail a lot." }, { "end_time": "7:02", "start_time": "7:00", "text": "I'm a be in to some of you." }, { "end_time": "7:03", "start_time": "7:02", "text": "It is what it is." }, { "end_time": "7:03", "start_time": "7:03", "text": "You know what I mean?" }, { "end_time": "7:05", "start_time": "7:03", "text": "Don't make me that so you can tear me down later." }, { "end_time": "7:06", "start_time": "7:05", "text": "I don't want it." }, { "end_time": "7:16", "start_time": "7:06", "text": "Other than the Marvel films and Top Gun, which, released recently, is has there been, like, a blockbuster Hollywood film in recent times?" }, { "end_time": "7:22", "start_time": "7:16", "text": "Because I remember when I was a kid, there were blockbuster Hollywood releases Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:23", "start_time": "7:22", "text": "Coming out all the time." }, { "end_time": "7:24", "start_time": "7:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:25", "start_time": "7:24", "text": "And the same goes for Bollywood." }, { "end_time": "7:26", "start_time": "7:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:30", "start_time": "7:26", "text": "And we're seeing a lot more flops in the Hindi film industry also." }, { "end_time": "7:30", "start_time": "7:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:34", "start_time": "7:30", "text": "The Telugu film industry is rising like crazy, and they're making fantastic films." }, { "end_time": "7:34", "start_time": "7:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:40", "start_time": "7:34", "text": "And all the 5 South States, 4 industries making incredible cinema." }, { "end_time": "7:46", "start_time": "7:40", "text": "The Hindi film industry, I mean, the general narrative is that it's not doing as well as it was earlier." }, { "end_time": "7:47", "start_time": "7:46", "text": "Tell me what people are saying." }, { "end_time": "7:49", "start_time": "7:49", "text": "Naysayers." }, { "end_time": "7:50", "start_time": "7:49", "text": "The masses?" }, { "end_time": "7:50", "start_time": "7:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:53", "start_time": "7:50", "text": "What are the people who are criticizing it?" }, { "end_time": "7:54", "start_time": "7:53", "text": "What are they saying?" }, { "end_time": "7:57", "start_time": "7:54", "text": "Disconnected from reality of the country." }, { "end_time": "7:59", "start_time": "7:57", "text": "That's exactly how people feel about Hollywood there." }, { "end_time": "8:13", "start_time": "7:59", "text": "And there's like a I don't wanna it's getting annoying on the other side with people complaining about it, but, like, kind of a, forced diversity in Hollywood where I just wanna see South Asian stories represented." }, { "end_time": "8:22", "start_time": "8:13", "text": "I don't but what ends up happening when these Hollywood producers were just kind of out of touch, they're like, well, here, let's just make an let's put an Indian in this thing, and then we're good." }, { "end_time": "8:28", "start_time": "8:22", "text": "Or let's see what we want Indians to be in this project, and then we're diverse." }, { "end_time": "8:29", "start_time": "8:28", "text": "I don't care how you want." }, { "end_time": "8:31", "start_time": "8:29", "text": "Let me tell my story." }, { "end_time": "8:33", "start_time": "8:31", "text": "And if it's Indian, great." }, { "end_time": "8:34", "start_time": "8:33", "text": "And if it's not if it's Indian enough for you, great." }, { "end_time": "8:36", "start_time": "8:34", "text": "And if it's not, that's also cool too." }, { "end_time": "8:37", "start_time": "8:36", "text": "But let me just tell my story." }, { "end_time": "8:41", "start_time": "8:37", "text": "I wanna see I I I wanna see my brown wife." }, { "end_time": "8:44", "start_time": "8:41", "text": "I wanna see us in a show with a brown family dealing with brown issues." }, { "end_time": "8:45", "start_time": "8:44", "text": "And if y'all like it, amazing." }, { "end_time": "8:47", "start_time": "8:45", "text": "If you don't, that's fine too." }, { "end_time": "8:50", "start_time": "8:47", "text": "But there used to be black TV shows when I was a kid." }, { "end_time": "8:53", "start_time": "8:50", "text": "Fresh Prince of Bel Air was a funny TV show told through a black lens." }, { "end_time": "8:55", "start_time": "8:53", "text": "Everybody hates Chris." }, { "end_time": "8:57", "start_time": "8:55", "text": "Everybody hates Chris, Martin." }, { "end_time": "8:58", "start_time": "8:57", "text": "These were shows." }, { "end_time": "9:15", "start_time": "8:58", "text": "And then at some point, Hollywood decided they wanted everybody to be on one screen that's a different race, and we're just gonna make this a gay black guy and an Indian guy who's scared to go outside, and then a white guy who kinda looks ambiguous, and he's kind of in a beta male, and then a white woman who's really strong, and they just try to check every box with one project." }, { "end_time": "9:18", "start_time": "9:15", "text": "And I don't know any human being who has that friend circle." }, { "end_time": "9:19", "start_time": "9:18", "text": "I just don't." }, { "end_time": "9:21", "start_time": "9:19", "text": "I'm understanding American culture so much better." }, { "end_time": "9:22", "start_time": "9:21", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "9:31", "start_time": "9:22", "text": "But, also, again, my head boils down to the possibility that the producers who created this are trying to please people Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:34", "start_time": "9:31", "text": "In the way that they think is best that, you know, hey." }, { "end_time": "9:36", "start_time": "9:34", "text": "You're Indian, but you can be gay." }, { "end_time": "9:37", "start_time": "9:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:40", "start_time": "9:37", "text": "Or you're you're black, but you can be in a comic books." }, { "end_time": "9:40", "start_time": "9:40", "text": "You can be a no." }, { "end_time": "9:42", "start_time": "9:40", "text": "I think, Andrew says this a lot." }, { "end_time": "9:46", "start_time": "9:42", "text": "What he's realized is he's ascended and gotten these rooms is, like, these people just don't wanna lose their jobs." }, { "end_time": "9:49", "start_time": "9:46", "text": "So the number one thing they get told is there's no diversity." }, { "end_time": "9:51", "start_time": "9:49", "text": "So they just kinda scramble, and they're like, look, diversity." }, { "end_time": "9:52", "start_time": "9:51", "text": "Look, diversity." }, { "end_time": "9:53", "start_time": "9:52", "text": "Don't fire me, please." }, { "end_time": "9:54", "start_time": "9:53", "text": "Look, diversity." }, { "end_time": "9:55", "start_time": "9:54", "text": "There's no agenda." }, { "end_time": "9:57", "start_time": "9:55", "text": "If they're not bad people, they just miss the mark." }, { "end_time": "9:58", "start_time": "9:57", "text": "That's all." }, { "end_time": "10:04", "start_time": "9:58", "text": "They're not in touch with reality, and it it shines through often in how they how the projects come out." }, { "end_time": "10:07", "start_time": "10:05", "text": "So are they not making as much money as they used to?" }, { "end_time": "10:07", "start_time": "10:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:11", "start_time": "10:07", "text": "And, also, I think just to be practical, I don't need to go to a movie theater anymore." }, { "end_time": "10:13", "start_time": "10:11", "text": "I have a 70 inch TV in my house." }, { "end_time": "10:14", "start_time": "10:13", "text": "I have Netflix." }, { "end_time": "10:21", "start_time": "10:14", "text": "I why am I gonna go pay $14 to sit in someone else's chair with sticky floors, soda dried up from 3 hours ago?" }, { "end_time": "10:22", "start_time": "10:21", "text": "Like, I just watched it in my house." }, { "end_time": "10:30", "start_time": "10:24", "text": "I can't believe I'm asking you about this, but, urban India is, again, very into American culture." }, { "end_time": "10:30", "start_time": "10:30", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "10:35", "start_time": "10:30", "text": "And a lot of urban Indian guys traditionally have been into Judd Apatow movies." }, { "end_time": "10:36", "start_time": "10:36", "text": "Oh, really?" }, { "end_time": "10:38", "start_time": "10:36", "text": "Like Seth Rogen and funny." }, { "end_time": "10:38", "start_time": "10:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:38", "start_time": "10:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:39", "start_time": "10:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:42", "start_time": "10:39", "text": "Do you ever meet those guys, Seth Rogen, Joe Nye?" }, { "end_time": "10:43", "start_time": "10:42", "text": "I have not met any of them." }, { "end_time": "10:44", "start_time": "10:43", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "10:47", "start_time": "10:44", "text": "Because we wonder while we sit in India Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "10:49", "start_time": "10:47", "text": "About why these guys don't make films anymore." }, { "end_time": "10:51", "start_time": "10:50", "text": "So comedy I've I've heard this." }, { "end_time": "10:55", "start_time": "10:51", "text": "Comedy is was this is when they were only making Marvel movies." }, { "end_time": "10:59", "start_time": "10:55", "text": "The reason they made Marvel movies, action movies, is because those played internationally." }, { "end_time": "11:02", "start_time": "10:59", "text": "You need the international dollar now to really turn a profit." }, { "end_time": "11:06", "start_time": "11:02", "text": "Comedy tends to be very local, very timely." }, { "end_time": "11:08", "start_time": "11:06", "text": "It's not necessarily evergreen." }, { "end_time": "11:11", "start_time": "11:08", "text": "And all these factors mean it's probably not gonna hit internationally." }, { "end_time": "11:14", "start_time": "11:11", "text": "Like, a good comedy movie has so much American nuance." }, { "end_time": "11:16", "start_time": "11:15", "text": "It's, you know Cultural references." }, { "end_time": "11:17", "start_time": "11:16", "text": "Cultural references, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "11:19", "start_time": "11:17", "text": "And not every people in China aren't gonna get that." }, { "end_time": "11:21", "start_time": "11:19", "text": "They're not gonna don't get exposed to this." }, { "end_time": "11:25", "start_time": "11:21", "text": "They all you gotta know about Thor is he's the god of thunder, and I can watch a great movie." }, { "end_time": "11:25", "start_time": "11:25", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "11:30", "start_time": "11:25", "text": "If I'm watching Knocked Up, I gotta know Matthew Fox." }, { "end_time": "11:34", "start_time": "11:30", "text": "You mean Matthew Fox is an Nobody in China's watched the show lost." }, { "end_time": "11:35", "start_time": "11:34", "text": "They don't know who the Matthew Fox is." }, { "end_time": "11:38", "start_time": "11:35", "text": "That's funny if you know who he is, but if not, it's not." }, { "end_time": "11:39", "start_time": "11:38", "text": "You're not gonna yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:40", "start_time": "11:39", "text": "I'm not gonna enjoy the movie." }, { "end_time": "11:41", "start_time": "11:40", "text": "I'm not gonna tell my friends to go see it." }, { "end_time": "11:44", "start_time": "11:41", "text": "So they stop making comedy movies for that reason." }, { "end_time": "11:53", "start_time": "11:44", "text": "If you had to show an Indian person 3 iconic Hollywood films and assume that they've never seen a Hollywood film." }, { "end_time": "11:53", "start_time": "11:53", "text": "Oh god." }, { "end_time": "11:54", "start_time": "11:53", "text": "That's tough, dude." }, { "end_time": "11:55", "start_time": "11:54", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "11:59", "start_time": "11:55", "text": "I my favorite movie is Friday, but then that's not Hollywood at all." }, { "end_time": "12:00", "start_time": "11:59", "text": "That's a black movie." }, { "end_time": "12:02", "start_time": "12:01", "text": "So I don't know." }, { "end_time": "12:10", "start_time": "12:02", "text": "I would the first movie that's coming to mind is is probably a terrible choice, but Ocean's 11, just so you can see all of the biggest stars in just like a fun movie." }, { "end_time": "12:10", "start_time": "12:10", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "12:11", "start_time": "12:10", "text": "This is not a substantive movie." }, { "end_time": "12:13", "start_time": "12:11", "text": "This is not gonna teach you." }, { "end_time": "12:18", "start_time": "12:13", "text": "You're not gonna walk away saying this was art, but you're gonna have a great time, and you're gonna see all of our biggest stars on one screen." }, { "end_time": "12:24", "start_time": "12:20", "text": "If I wanna show them a quality movie, The Godfather, probably." }, { "end_time": "12:25", "start_time": "12:24", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "12:25", "start_time": "12:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:27", "start_time": "12:25", "text": "I mean, that's, yeah, that's probably the quality movie." }, { "end_time": "12:35", "start_time": "12:27", "text": "So the fun movie, the quality movie, and then the comedy I would show them is is Friday, which is, again, like, here's a lower budget, just funny movie." }, { "end_time": "12:38", "start_time": "12:35", "text": "You're probably not gonna get 90% of it, but it's a it's a funny movie." }, { "end_time": "12:38", "start_time": "12:38", "text": "So I don't know." }, { "end_time": "12:43", "start_time": "12:38", "text": "I that's just the one I'm thinking of now, but I'd probably swap that one out just because no one would get it." }, { "end_time": "12:43", "start_time": "12:43", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "12:46", "start_time": "12:43", "text": "If you had to show somebody 3 movies this feels easier to me." }, { "end_time": "12:48", "start_time": "12:46", "text": "If you maybe it's because where we're from." }, { "end_time": "12:51", "start_time": "12:48", "text": "If you had to show an American 3 movies to represent India, what would they be?" }, { "end_time": "12:52", "start_time": "12:51", "text": "Guru?" }, { "end_time": "12:53", "start_time": "12:52", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "12:54", "start_time": "12:53", "text": "You tell me if you you don't agree." }, { "end_time": "12:58", "start_time": "12:54", "text": "I I I'm actually hoping that you don't agree because I wonder why you don't agree." }, { "end_time": "13:00", "start_time": "12:59", "text": "So guru would be 1." }, { "end_time": "13:04", "start_time": "13:00", "text": "I can only think of 2 for sure for Bollywood." }, { "end_time": "13:06", "start_time": "13:05", "text": "Shole." }, { "end_time": "13:07", "start_time": "13:06", "text": "You need to see Amitabh." }, { "end_time": "13:09", "start_time": "13:07", "text": "You need to see the movie that made Amitabh." }, { "end_time": "13:14", "start_time": "13:09", "text": "I like the water better, but Sholay is the the movie that everybody goes to." }, { "end_time": "13:15", "start_time": "13:14", "text": "And then DDLJ." }, { "end_time": "13:15", "start_time": "13:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:17", "start_time": "13:15", "text": "That that would've been one of my choices." }, { "end_time": "13:23", "start_time": "13:17", "text": "And I might go, Kolonial maybe just so because it's just, like, a fantastic movie." }, { "end_time": "13:25", "start_time": "13:24", "text": "But probably those 3." }, { "end_time": "13:30", "start_time": "13:25", "text": "DDLJ just because you need to know why we love Shah Rukh and Kalona Ho is just a great movie." }, { "end_time": "13:31", "start_time": "13:30", "text": "Bro, you said Kalona Ho?" }, { "end_time": "13:35", "start_time": "13:31", "text": "Actually, maybe because there's there's a Hindu aspect to it." }, { "end_time": "13:36", "start_time": "13:35", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "13:42", "start_time": "13:36", "text": "So you'd understand, like, the the eastern side of I keep using eastern, but you understand the religious aspect of India." }, { "end_time": "13:45", "start_time": "13:42", "text": "You understand the Bollywood film, like, fanfare of India even at the time." }, { "end_time": "13:57", "start_time": "13:45", "text": "You see India in a time and place, and it's a fucking great plot that incorporates Hinduism, which there aren't a lot of those that you see Christianity incorporated into a movie as just like the devil's advocate." }, { "end_time": "13:58", "start_time": "13:57", "text": "That's just a movie about the devil." }, { "end_time": "14:01", "start_time": "13:58", "text": "That's a Christian thing incorporated in the movie organically." }, { "end_time": "14:03", "start_time": "14:01", "text": "Om Shanti Om does the same thing with Hinduism." }, { "end_time": "14:05", "start_time": "14:03", "text": "It's organically incorporated." }, { "end_time": "14:06", "start_time": "14:05", "text": "They don't need to explain reincarnation." }, { "end_time": "14:09", "start_time": "14:06", "text": "They don't say, oh, this is a thing some Hindu's this is a thing Hindus believe." }, { "end_time": "14:10", "start_time": "14:09", "text": "You guys don't necessarily know about it." }, { "end_time": "14:12", "start_time": "14:10", "text": "It's just a part of the movie, and it's a great movie." }, { "end_time": "14:13", "start_time": "14:12", "text": "So those would be the 3." }, { "end_time": "14:17", "start_time": "14:15", "text": "There's a film called Gangs of Wasseypur." }, { "end_time": "14:18", "start_time": "14:18", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "14:19", "start_time": "14:18", "text": "Have you seen this?" }, { "end_time": "14:20", "start_time": "14:19", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "14:21", "start_time": "14:20", "text": "Watch it." }, { "end_time": "14:25", "start_time": "14:21", "text": "I'd love to know if you'd recommend it to, Americans." }, { "end_time": "14:31", "start_time": "14:25", "text": "So one of our filmmakers who celebrated a lot is Anurag Kashyap, who makes, like, darker and more darker, grittier cinema." }, { "end_time": "14:33", "start_time": "14:31", "text": "And that's his best work." }, { "end_time": "14:33", "start_time": "14:33", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "14:35", "start_time": "14:33", "text": "And it's a film that we keep revisiting." }, { "end_time": "14:41", "start_time": "14:36", "text": "It was supposed to be made as a 4 or 5 hour film or something like that, and then they split it up into 2 parts." }, { "end_time": "14:45", "start_time": "14:41", "text": "But it's a story about it's a, like, crime related story." }, { "end_time": "14:46", "start_time": "14:45", "text": "I need to see that then." }, { "end_time": "14:48", "start_time": "14:46", "text": "Bro, it's like the greatest film you'll see Okay." }, { "end_time": "14:48", "start_time": "14:48", "text": "In your life." }, { "end_time": "14:51", "start_time": "14:48", "text": "Because there's aspects of that film which are extremely real." }, { "end_time": "14:55", "start_time": "14:51", "text": "Obviously, a lot of it is much more cinematic, but it's a very well made film." }, { "end_time": "14:56", "start_time": "14:55", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "15:03", "start_time": "14:57", "text": "Gangs of Wasseypur, to show the west the quality of Indian cinema." }, { "end_time": "15:08", "start_time": "15:04", "text": "Because it's a very relatable human emotion oriented film." }, { "end_time": "15:10", "start_time": "15:09", "text": "We showed." }, { "end_time": "15:14", "start_time": "15:10", "text": "We had to my wife will have, like, our white friends over and show them Bollywood movies." }, { "end_time": "15:20", "start_time": "15:14", "text": "We took the head of content that I have, Kevin, big white dude, and his wife, we took them to, Rocky Arani." }, { "end_time": "15:21", "start_time": "15:20", "text": "They loved it." }, { "end_time": "15:22", "start_time": "15:21", "text": "Oh, really?" }, { "end_time": "15:22", "start_time": "15:22", "text": "Bought a shirt." }, { "end_time": "15:23", "start_time": "15:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:23", "start_time": "15:23", "text": "They got it?" }, { "end_time": "15:25", "start_time": "15:23", "text": "Because, again It's subtitles." }, { "end_time": "15:27", "start_time": "15:25", "text": "So but it's just like a you get enough." }, { "end_time": "15:29", "start_time": "15:27", "text": "It's just a fun movie." }, { "end_time": "15:30", "start_time": "15:29", "text": "We we had them watch Kolhono." }, { "end_time": "15:31", "start_time": "15:30", "text": "They loved that." }, { "end_time": "15:33", "start_time": "15:31", "text": "And then those are the only 2 so far." }, { "end_time": "15:41", "start_time": "15:33", "text": "But I I love Rocky or Rani because, again, great comedy film after a while, but it spoke about the problems of 2023 2024." }, { "end_time": "15:42", "start_time": "15:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:46", "start_time": "15:42", "text": "Like, cancel culture and, like, polarization of the world." }, { "end_time": "15:50", "start_time": "15:47", "text": "I would never assume that a white person in America also enjoys it." }, { "end_time": "15:51", "start_time": "15:50", "text": "Surprised, honestly." }, { "end_time": "15:55", "start_time": "15:51", "text": "Cullihonoho again is like anybody can get that film, but I I was surprised." }, { "end_time": "15:59", "start_time": "15:55", "text": "But I also give I gave Quentin Johor credit in the last episode." }, { "end_time": "16:05", "start_time": "15:59", "text": "This one too, it's like a lot of people say, like, oh, I was problematic and then just kinda give, like, a half hearted apology." }, { "end_time": "16:09", "start_time": "16:05", "text": "This work seems to reflect, like, he didn't love everything that he used to do." }, { "end_time": "16:15", "start_time": "16:09", "text": "He sees problematic nature in it, and he did it in a way that wasn't annoying or, like, condescending or preachy." }, { "end_time": "16:19", "start_time": "16:15", "text": "He just, like, put it all in, and then he also gave the other side with, like, the cancel culture defense and all that." }, { "end_time": "16:23", "start_time": "16:19", "text": "And, like, I also like that, 3 dimensionally, normally, you watch these movies." }, { "end_time": "16:31", "start_time": "16:23", "text": "The man always messes up and then tries to win the woman back, and he's the one that's scared of commitment, and then he's the one that he this Rocky, and this is a credit to Ranveer Singh." }, { "end_time": "16:37", "start_time": "16:31", "text": "He the the most sweetest guy says these little problematic things, but he's such a good heart." }, { "end_time": "16:43", "start_time": "16:37", "text": "What a and then she doesn't say the problematic things, but she's kind of a you know what I mean?" }, { "end_time": "16:50", "start_time": "16:43", "text": "And Ali is my favorite actress in Bali, so I'm not saying that that's a good acting, but, like, she's the one that's judgmental." }, { "end_time": "16:51", "start_time": "16:50", "text": "She's the one that's snarky." }, { "end_time": "16:56", "start_time": "16:51", "text": "She says all the proper things and is educated, but she's actually being the 90% of the time." }, { "end_time": "16:59", "start_time": "16:56", "text": "So I thought that was a really creative way to do it." }, { "end_time": "17:07", "start_time": "16:59", "text": "The moment you said Ranveer Singh, I added another movie to that list, Bajirao Mastani, just to show them who Sanjay Leela Bhansali is." }, { "end_time": "17:07", "start_time": "17:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:08", "start_time": "17:07", "text": "You need to see that." }, { "end_time": "17:13", "start_time": "17:08", "text": "He's, to me, I've never seen any director make anything look as beautiful as he makes everything look." }, { "end_time": "17:14", "start_time": "17:13", "text": "Everything." }, { "end_time": "17:17", "start_time": "17:14", "text": "Now I wish everything wasn't so goddamn sad all the time." }, { "end_time": "17:22", "start_time": "17:17", "text": "We're watching Hidamundi and my wife my wife told me she's we're watching Hidamundi." }, { "end_time": "17:24", "start_time": "17:22", "text": "This is I'm not gonna give a spoiler, but they'll be." }, { "end_time": "17:27", "start_time": "17:24", "text": "She told me from the beginning, she was like, this is a Sanjay Leila Bonsali movie." }, { "end_time": "17:29", "start_time": "17:27", "text": "Do not expect happiness at the end." }, { "end_time": "17:29", "start_time": "17:29", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "17:34", "start_time": "17:29", "text": "And if she didn't tell me that, I would've because I didn't I'd seen a couple of those movies, but I never put that together." }, { "end_time": "17:36", "start_time": "17:34", "text": "I would've been so devastated." }, { "end_time": "17:38", "start_time": "17:37", "text": "But she she warned me." }, { "end_time": "17:41", "start_time": "17:38", "text": "She was like, I this is I promise you, it's not gonna be fully happy." }, { "end_time": "17:42", "start_time": "17:41", "text": "It's just not gonna happen." }, { "end_time": "17:46", "start_time": "17:42", "text": "And then Devdas was just like, what why why am I torturing myself?" }, { "end_time": "17:47", "start_time": "17:46", "text": "Jesus Christ." }, { "end_time": "17:48", "start_time": "17:47", "text": "Open the gate, bro." }, { "end_time": "17:49", "start_time": "17:48", "text": "You know what I mean?" }, { "end_time": "17:50", "start_time": "17:49", "text": "Like, open the gate." }, { "end_time": "17:51", "start_time": "17:50", "text": "Man is dying." }, { "end_time": "17:52", "start_time": "17:51", "text": "You can't open the gate." }, { "end_time": "18:00", "start_time": "17:54", "text": "I can't think of a Sanjay Leela Bhansali film that doesn't contain some intense form of sadness." }, { "end_time": "18:01", "start_time": "18:00", "text": "Yeah, dude." }, { "end_time": "18:01", "start_time": "18:01", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "18:02", "start_time": "18:01", "text": "It doesn't happen." }, { "end_time": "18:06", "start_time": "18:02", "text": "Like, there's no film he's made, but and and I still respect him a lot." }, { "end_time": "18:07", "start_time": "18:06", "text": "Like, I think he's an incredible filmmaker." }, { "end_time": "18:09", "start_time": "18:07", "text": "Gangu, Gangubai wasn't as sad." }, { "end_time": "18:14", "start_time": "18:09", "text": "I really love and I loved that because it was, like, wasn't that sad of a movie, and it's so beautiful." }, { "end_time": "18:19", "start_time": "18:14", "text": "And I think Ali, that's again, that's where I was, like, she might be the best actress on earth when I watch that movie." }, { "end_time": "18:19", "start_time": "18:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:21", "start_time": "18:19", "text": "That's I was really impressed with her in that movie." }, { "end_time": "18:27", "start_time": "18:22", "text": "One more suggestion, there's a final movie suggestion from my side, is a Salman Khan film Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "18:28", "start_time": "18:27", "text": "Called Bajrangi Bhaijan." }, { "end_time": "18:30", "start_time": "18:28", "text": "Oh, I love that movie." }, { "end_time": "18:32", "start_time": "18:30", "text": "Dude, that little girl is so cute in that movie." }, { "end_time": "18:32", "start_time": "18:32", "text": "Oh my gosh." }, { "end_time": "18:33", "start_time": "18:32", "text": "She's adorable." }, { "end_time": "18:33", "start_time": "18:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:35", "start_time": "18:34", "text": "That movie is so good." }, { "end_time": "18:38", "start_time": "18:35", "text": "It's also about India, Pakistan, and it's a very real film." }, { "end_time": "18:42", "start_time": "18:38", "text": "The director is this guy called Kabir Khan, who's, like, one of my favorite film directors Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:43", "start_time": "18:42", "text": "Like, in India." }, { "end_time": "18:46", "start_time": "18:43", "text": "And, I feel he's under celebrated almost in our country." }, { "end_time": "18:47", "start_time": "18:46", "text": "But, bro, what a film." }, { "end_time": "18:49", "start_time": "18:47", "text": "That's another film I'd show Great movie." }, { "end_time": "18:49", "start_time": "18:49", "text": "Heartwarming." }, { "end_time": "18:50", "start_time": "18:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:53", "start_time": "18:50", "text": "And that's probably probably Salman Khan's best film." }, { "end_time": "18:55", "start_time": "18:54", "text": "Oh, yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:55", "start_time": "18:55", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "18:58", "start_time": "18:55", "text": "Can you think of any other I'm on vehicle, and I've heard it's good." }, { "end_time": "18:59", "start_time": "18:58", "text": "I haven't seen it, though." }, { "end_time": "19:00", "start_time": "19:00", "text": "It's nice." }, { "end_time": "19:03", "start_time": "19:00", "text": "But, like, I don't know if it's relatable for people in 2024." }, { "end_time": "19:03", "start_time": "19:03", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "19:05", "start_time": "19:03", "text": "Again, there's a lot of nineties energy." }, { "end_time": "19:05", "start_time": "19:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:06", "start_time": "19:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:06", "start_time": "19:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:09", "start_time": "19:06", "text": "But this seems to be a timeless film." }, { "end_time": "19:09", "start_time": "19:09", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "19:10", "start_time": "19:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:12", "start_time": "19:10", "text": "I think it's a little it's got innocence in it." }, { "end_time": "19:12", "start_time": "19:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:12", "start_time": "19:12", "text": "It was yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:14", "start_time": "19:12", "text": "He's he's just such a sweet portrayal." }, { "end_time": "19:17", "start_time": "19:14", "text": "And, like, again, the little girl is, like, the cutest movie girl I've ever seen in a movie." }, { "end_time": "19:18", "start_time": "19:17", "text": "She's adorable." }, { "end_time": "19:18", "start_time": "19:18", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:20", "start_time": "19:18", "text": "Can can we switch back to Hollywood Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:21", "start_time": "19:20", "text": "And just some more, like, recommendations?" }, { "end_time": "19:22", "start_time": "19:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:22", "start_time": "19:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:22", "start_time": "19:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:23", "start_time": "19:23", "text": "Again From me?" }, { "end_time": "19:23", "start_time": "19:23", "text": "Keeping keeping Indian audiences in mind." }, { "end_time": "19:26", "start_time": "19:23", "text": "Indian audience mind." }, { "end_time": "19:26", "start_time": "19:26", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "19:27", "start_time": "19:26", "text": "Oceans 11, you would love." }, { "end_time": "19:28", "start_time": "19:27", "text": "You would love it." }, { "end_time": "19:28", "start_time": "19:28", "text": "I'm trying to think." }, { "end_time": "19:28", "start_time": "19:28", "text": "The Italian job seems like Indians would really like it." }, { "end_time": "19:28", "start_time": "19:28", "text": "They copied it in India." }, { "end_time": "19:29", "start_time": "19:28", "text": "Which one?" }, { "end_time": "19:41", "start_time": "19:29", "text": "I don't remember, and it didn't do well, but they copied the Italian job." }, { "end_time": "19:42", "start_time": "19:41", "text": "Was it happy New Year?" }, { "end_time": "19:44", "start_time": "19:42", "text": "The I don't remember, bro." }, { "end_time": "19:47", "start_time": "19:44", "text": "But, I think it was called risk or something." }, { "end_time": "19:47", "start_time": "19:47", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "19:49", "start_time": "19:47", "text": "It's a it's a one word, I think." }, { "end_time": "19:50", "start_time": "19:49", "text": "It's called Mark Wahlberg." }, { "end_time": "19:50", "start_time": "19:50", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "19:51", "start_time": "19:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:51", "start_time": "19:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:51", "start_time": "19:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:51", "start_time": "19:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:55", "start_time": "19:51", "text": "And they it starts with them being in a snowy they're robbing a bank." }, { "end_time": "19:56", "start_time": "19:56", "text": "Players." }, { "end_time": "19:59", "start_time": "19:57", "text": "That was the name of the film, but they copied the Italian." }, { "end_time": "20:00", "start_time": "19:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:01", "start_time": "20:00", "text": "Dude, I don't know." }, { "end_time": "20:04", "start_time": "20:01", "text": "It's so so tough with to keep the keep any audience in mind." }, { "end_time": "20:08", "start_time": "20:04", "text": "I'm thinking big budget stuff, which is I don't know if that's good or bad, but, yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:10", "start_time": "20:08", "text": "Most Indians have watched all the Avenger films." }, { "end_time": "20:12", "start_time": "20:10", "text": "Most Oh, you need to see an Avengers film." }, { "end_time": "20:12", "start_time": "20:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:14", "start_time": "20:12", "text": "You need to see the 1st Avengers movie." }, { "end_time": "20:16", "start_time": "20:15", "text": "And then Infinity War." }, { "end_time": "20:20", "start_time": "20:17", "text": "Does either one of those is, like, that's it." }, { "end_time": "20:26", "start_time": "20:20", "text": "You that's that is what you think American Hollywood cinema big budget is, and it's amazing." }, { "end_time": "20:27", "start_time": "20:27", "text": "They do it." }, { "end_time": "20:29", "start_time": "20:27", "text": "They knock it out of the park." }, { "end_time": "20:29", "start_time": "20:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:34", "start_time": "20:29", "text": "Someone who's very, very celebrated in India, at least in urban India is Christopher Nolan." }, { "end_time": "20:35", "start_time": "20:34", "text": "Oh, he's awesome." }, { "end_time": "20:35", "start_time": "20:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:36", "start_time": "20:35", "text": "He's awesome." }, { "end_time": "20:45", "start_time": "20:36", "text": "But, again, if someone doesn't know Christopher Nolan is or who's not seen a Christopher you can't recommend Interstellar and Inception because they're, like, little Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:46", "start_time": "20:45", "text": "Interstellar, I saw recently." }, { "end_time": "20:47", "start_time": "20:46", "text": "Goddamn." }, { "end_time": "20:48", "start_time": "20:47", "text": "That was beautiful." }, { "end_time": "20:48", "start_time": "20:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:49", "start_time": "20:48", "text": "My goodness." }, { "end_time": "20:51", "start_time": "20:49", "text": "That's why my favorite film of all time." }, { "end_time": "20:54", "start_time": "20:51", "text": "And you're I've I think I was watching it for most of the movie, like, alright." }, { "end_time": "20:54", "start_time": "20:54", "text": "I guess." }, { "end_time": "20:59", "start_time": "20:54", "text": "And then by the end, I was I was like, this is the saddest, most beautiful movie." }, { "end_time": "21:04", "start_time": "21:00", "text": "That was another one kinda like that, everything everywhere all at once." }, { "end_time": "21:09", "start_time": "21:05", "text": "Again, you're watching that movie even more so, like, just kinda confused for 90% of it." }, { "end_time": "21:11", "start_time": "21:09", "text": "And then all of a sudden, it turns into this beautiful movie." }, { "end_time": "21:13", "start_time": "21:11", "text": "It's like a really crazy thing." }, { "end_time": "21:15", "start_time": "21:13", "text": "Did do you watch Parasite?" }, { "end_time": "21:17", "start_time": "21:15", "text": "It was a good movie." }, { "end_time": "21:17", "start_time": "21:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:18", "start_time": "21:17", "text": "I didn't like that movie." }, { "end_time": "21:20", "start_time": "21:19", "text": "How come?" }, { "end_time": "21:24", "start_time": "21:20", "text": "I just like the idea that it's some commentary on, like, who's the bad guy?" }, { "end_time": "21:26", "start_time": "21:24", "text": "The rich people are the these poor people were scumbags." }, { "end_time": "21:31", "start_time": "21:27", "text": "Like, the rich people were kind of a the poor people lied, cheated, stole." }, { "end_time": "21:34", "start_time": "21:32", "text": "Like, they did nothing of any substance." }, { "end_time": "21:35", "start_time": "21:34", "text": "They murdered." }, { "end_time": "21:37", "start_time": "21:35", "text": "Like, they were horrible people." }, { "end_time": "21:39", "start_time": "21:37", "text": "The rich guy said you smelled behind your back." }, { "end_time": "21:42", "start_time": "21:39", "text": "That's not nice, but, like, okay." }, { "end_time": "21:44", "start_time": "21:42", "text": "I mean, these these guys are parasite." }, { "end_time": "21:45", "start_time": "21:44", "text": "There is no social commentary." }, { "end_time": "21:47", "start_time": "21:45", "text": "These are bad people who deserve nothing good." }, { "end_time": "21:58", "start_time": "21:50", "text": "Korean culture has become extremely huge in India, including rural India." }, { "end_time": "21:59", "start_time": "21:59", "text": "Really?" }, { "end_time": "22:06", "start_time": "21:59", "text": "So we live in a country now where the parents of these kids never even watch television in some cases." }, { "end_time": "22:07", "start_time": "22:07", "text": "Oh, wow." }, { "end_time": "22:10", "start_time": "22:08", "text": "But the kids are into Korean culture." }, { "end_time": "22:10", "start_time": "22:10", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "22:11", "start_time": "22:10", "text": "What the bro." }, { "end_time": "22:12", "start_time": "22:11", "text": "That's crazy." }, { "end_time": "22:14", "start_time": "22:12", "text": "K pop was I don't know if it still is." }, { "end_time": "22:15", "start_time": "22:14", "text": "It was massive in America." }, { "end_time": "22:15", "start_time": "22:15", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "22:15", "start_time": "22:15", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "22:17", "start_time": "22:15", "text": "It's it's as as big here." }, { "end_time": "22:18", "start_time": "22:17", "text": "Anime is big here." }, { "end_time": "22:19", "start_time": "22:18", "text": "K pop's big here." }, { "end_time": "22:23", "start_time": "22:19", "text": "But Korean culture, Korean films, Korean pop stars Wow." }, { "end_time": "22:28", "start_time": "22:23", "text": "It's it's very huge with Gen Z and Gen Alpha, and it's getting bigger, which is what's weird." }, { "end_time": "22:30", "start_time": "22:28", "text": "I don't know if that's the case in America." }, { "end_time": "22:38", "start_time": "22:30", "text": "I think so I felt like I feel the k pop wave is over, and I actually predict, specifically, Punjabi music is gonna have a big wave in America, I think." }, { "end_time": "22:39", "start_time": "22:38", "text": "Really?" }, { "end_time": "22:43", "start_time": "22:39", "text": "I think Karanajlu is gonna I think he's gonna be the 1st to crossover." }, { "end_time": "22:43", "start_time": "22:43", "text": "I saw a video." }, { "end_time": "22:45", "start_time": "22:43", "text": "You guys you probably don't even know who he is." }, { "end_time": "22:46", "start_time": "22:45", "text": "His name is Tyrese." }, { "end_time": "22:49", "start_time": "22:46", "text": "He was an r and b singer that was really not really famous." }, { "end_time": "22:52", "start_time": "22:49", "text": "He's pretty famous in the 2000, and then he maintained some level of relevance." }, { "end_time": "22:54", "start_time": "22:52", "text": "This is a black guy from Compton or Watts." }, { "end_time": "22:55", "start_time": "22:54", "text": "Well, I don't know." }, { "end_time": "22:56", "start_time": "22:55", "text": "I think they might be the same." }, { "end_time": "22:57", "start_time": "22:56", "text": "Whatever." }, { "end_time": "23:02", "start_time": "22:57", "text": "But he's playing outside of his house on his, like, his pool speakers." }, { "end_time": "23:04", "start_time": "23:03", "text": "And that's when I was like, oh." }, { "end_time": "23:10", "start_time": "23:04", "text": "And then there's a video of of meeting Kanye West, and I was like, I think he's gonna be the guy that brings it over." }, { "end_time": "23:14", "start_time": "23:11", "text": "I brought this up on the podcast we did." }, { "end_time": "23:20", "start_time": "23:14", "text": "So he gave us one of our most successful podcasts of the year because he is a guy who's really celebrated now in Indian culture." }, { "end_time": "23:20", "start_time": "23:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:22", "start_time": "23:20", "text": "So I brought brought up this point with him." }, { "end_time": "23:26", "start_time": "23:23", "text": "There's a kid in my building who, I play football with." }, { "end_time": "23:27", "start_time": "23:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:28", "start_time": "23:27", "text": "The kid's, like, 11 years old." }, { "end_time": "23:28", "start_time": "23:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:29", "start_time": "23:28", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "23:33", "start_time": "23:29", "text": "And he said that amongst kids his age, Punjabi music is a huge deal." }, { "end_time": "23:33", "start_time": "23:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:34", "start_time": "23:33", "text": "It's gonna cross over." }, { "end_time": "23:36", "start_time": "23:34", "text": "It wasn't the case when we were kids." }, { "end_time": "23:37", "start_time": "23:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:40", "start_time": "23:37", "text": "I I'm Punjabi, so I still listen to few Punjabi songs." }, { "end_time": "23:43", "start_time": "23:40", "text": "But now Punjabi music is super mainstream." }, { "end_time": "23:44", "start_time": "23:43", "text": "Fateh is my guy." }, { "end_time": "23:45", "start_time": "23:44", "text": "That's my brother." }, { "end_time": "23:45", "start_time": "23:45", "text": "I love him." }, { "end_time": "23:47", "start_time": "23:45", "text": "He was, like, one of the first guys." }, { "end_time": "23:49", "start_time": "23:47", "text": "And I still think he's a great rapper English too." }, { "end_time": "23:53", "start_time": "23:49", "text": "I'm surprised he didn't blow up because he's good at rapping in English as well." }, { "end_time": "23:55", "start_time": "23:53", "text": "Shubh, I think, is awesome, but he only raps in Punjabi." }, { "end_time": "23:58", "start_time": "23:55", "text": "And, I think, is, like, he's more musical." }, { "end_time": "24:01", "start_time": "23:58", "text": "I don't know if he's a rapper necessarily, but, like, it's yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:06", "start_time": "24:01", "text": "I think he's just got a good ear, and is going crazy right now." }, { "end_time": "24:10", "start_time": "24:06", "text": "I've never seen a song take off this fast in any Hollywood, Bollywood, don't matter." }, { "end_time": "24:12", "start_time": "24:10", "text": "I've never seen anything happen this quickly." }, { "end_time": "24:12", "start_time": "24:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:15", "start_time": "24:13", "text": "I mean, as an artist, he's a blessed guy." }, { "end_time": "24:15", "start_time": "24:15", "text": "Theme lyrics." }, { "end_time": "24:16", "start_time": "24:16", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:20", "start_time": "24:16", "text": "You know, blessings from, like, 5 different angles, very difficult life." }, { "end_time": "24:20", "start_time": "24:20", "text": "Uh-huh." }, { "end_time": "24:22", "start_time": "24:20", "text": "Extremely difficult life." }, { "end_time": "24:22", "start_time": "24:22", "text": "Uh-huh." }, { "end_time": "24:25", "start_time": "24:23", "text": "Really tough guy, positive energy." }, { "end_time": "24:26", "start_time": "24:25", "text": "Lights up a room when he endos." }, { "end_time": "24:30", "start_time": "24:28", "text": "But that's, not the point I was making." }, { "end_time": "24:34", "start_time": "24:30", "text": "The point I was making was the, the kids getting into Punjabi music." }, { "end_time": "24:39", "start_time": "24:34", "text": "My question is, how come people who are not brown are getting into it?" }, { "end_time": "24:41", "start_time": "24:39", "text": "What's in it for them?" }, { "end_time": "24:48", "start_time": "24:41", "text": "I think the music sounds good, and I think there's a, like, swag is the only word I could think of." }, { "end_time": "24:49", "start_time": "24:48", "text": "Maybe I'm just 40." }, { "end_time": "24:53", "start_time": "24:49", "text": "But, like, there's a swag that Punjabis have that just works." }, { "end_time": "24:54", "start_time": "24:53", "text": "It crosses over." }, { "end_time": "24:55", "start_time": "24:54", "text": "Like, I don't know." }, { "end_time": "25:00", "start_time": "24:55", "text": "They just carry themselves a certain way that I think will cross over the easiest in America." }, { "end_time": "25:01", "start_time": "25:00", "text": "Little bit like Afrobeats." }, { "end_time": "25:02", "start_time": "25:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:03", "start_time": "25:02", "text": "I don't know how big Afrobeats is." }, { "end_time": "25:03", "start_time": "25:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:04", "start_time": "25:03", "text": "Afrobeats is big there too." }, { "end_time": "25:04", "start_time": "25:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:06", "start_time": "25:04", "text": "But they got that, and there's a little confidence they have." }, { "end_time": "25:07", "start_time": "25:06", "text": "And, again, they're rapping." }, { "end_time": "25:11", "start_time": "25:08", "text": "And and Punjabi also just sounds like a more hard language." }, { "end_time": "25:12", "start_time": "25:11", "text": "Not cool, but, like, harder." }, { "end_time": "25:14", "start_time": "25:12", "text": "The way you pronounce the words is harder." }, { "end_time": "25:17", "start_time": "25:14", "text": "So I think that works well with rap." }, { "end_time": "25:19", "start_time": "25:18", "text": "It's just like you're on the beat." }, { "end_time": "25:20", "start_time": "25:19", "text": "You're hitting the word." }, { "end_time": "25:21", "start_time": "25:20", "text": "You know what I mean?" }, { "end_time": "25:23", "start_time": "25:22", "text": "It is a musical language." }, { "end_time": "25:25", "start_time": "25:23", "text": "Gudli is, like, it's just harder than Gadi." }, { "end_time": "25:26", "start_time": "25:25", "text": "You know what I mean?" }, { "end_time": "25:27", "start_time": "25:26", "text": "I'm not even just saying that." }, { "end_time": "25:34", "start_time": "25:27", "text": "All the languages you speak Punjabi, my ice my wife speaks it fairly well, but, like, that everything is just you hit it." }, { "end_time": "25:36", "start_time": "25:35", "text": "It's fun being around Punjabi." }, { "end_time": "25:37", "start_time": "25:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:38", "start_time": "25:37", "text": "Just hear them talk." }, { "end_time": "25:38", "start_time": "25:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:38", "start_time": "25:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:38", "start_time": "25:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:39", "start_time": "25:38", "text": "Great." }, { "end_time": "25:39", "start_time": "25:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:42", "start_time": "25:39", "text": "It's musical, and it's like again, it's like kinda hip hop and this the rhythm of it." }, { "end_time": "25:46", "start_time": "25:42", "text": "I brought this up with the top Hindi rapper who was on the show." }, { "end_time": "25:46", "start_time": "25:46", "text": "His name's Krishna." }, { "end_time": "25:47", "start_time": "25:47", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "25:49", "start_time": "25:47", "text": "I asked him this question, and he disagreed." }, { "end_time": "25:53", "start_time": "25:49", "text": "And, obviously, he's got the better, you know, gauge of the situation." }, { "end_time": "25:59", "start_time": "25:53", "text": "But in my eyes, as an Indian, like, living here and I've seen the rise of hip hop with Gulliver." }, { "end_time": "26:00", "start_time": "25:59", "text": "I don't know if you've seen it." }, { "end_time": "26:00", "start_time": "26:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:00", "start_time": "26:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:00", "start_time": "26:00", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "26:04", "start_time": "26:02", "text": "That was the movie where I was like, oh, Ranveer can go." }, { "end_time": "26:04", "start_time": "26:04", "text": "He can act." }, { "end_time": "26:04", "start_time": "26:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:05", "start_time": "26:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:11", "start_time": "26:06", "text": "I've noticed that Hindi hip hop, mostly is a little angry." }, { "end_time": "26:13", "start_time": "26:12", "text": "It's angrier than normal music." }, { "end_time": "26:17", "start_time": "26:14", "text": "And I don't think that angry music always makes it to the mainstream." }, { "end_time": "26:20", "start_time": "26:17", "text": "So I asked them that why why is there more chilled Hindi music?" }, { "end_time": "26:22", "start_time": "26:20", "text": "There's a very chilled Urdu rapper." }, { "end_time": "26:24", "start_time": "26:22", "text": "His name is Faraz Shafi." }, { "end_time": "26:27", "start_time": "26:24", "text": "Faraz Shafi's most famous song is introduction." }, { "end_time": "26:28", "start_time": "26:28", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "26:33", "start_time": "26:28", "text": "And there's a there's a viral reel of Honey Singh where he's recalling the lyrics of this guy." }, { "end_time": "26:34", "start_time": "26:33", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "26:37", "start_time": "26:34", "text": "And that's the 1st Desi hip hop song that I've heard in Hindi or Urdu Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "26:41", "start_time": "26:38", "text": "Which had a very chilled out vibe, yet became, like, super mainstream." }, { "end_time": "26:43", "start_time": "26:41", "text": "But it's got very provocative lyrics." }, { "end_time": "26:43", "start_time": "26:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:43", "start_time": "26:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:44", "start_time": "26:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:47", "start_time": "26:44", "text": "So, And that's what you think the secret sauce?" }, { "end_time": "26:48", "start_time": "26:47", "text": "I don't know, bro." }, { "end_time": "26:51", "start_time": "26:48", "text": "I mean, I I think the secret sauce is being chilled out." }, { "end_time": "26:52", "start_time": "26:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:53", "start_time": "26:52", "text": "But that song specifically was very provocative." }, { "end_time": "26:54", "start_time": "26:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:54", "start_time": "26:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:54", "start_time": "26:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:58", "start_time": "26:54", "text": "I really appreciate Pakistani creativity, especially when it comes to music." }, { "end_time": "27:03", "start_time": "27:00", "text": "Tell me about how it feels when you come back to India." }, { "end_time": "27:05", "start_time": "27:04", "text": "I said this on the last episode." }, { "end_time": "27:09", "start_time": "27:05", "text": "Every time I come back I only went twice when I was a kid." }, { "end_time": "27:11", "start_time": "27:09", "text": "By the time I was 34, I'd only been 2 times." }, { "end_time": "27:14", "start_time": "27:12", "text": "And then I came back when I had a little bit more money." }, { "end_time": "27:16", "start_time": "27:14", "text": "We're starting to make a little money with Flagrant." }, { "end_time": "27:17", "start_time": "27:16", "text": "And I said, you know what?" }, { "end_time": "27:18", "start_time": "27:17", "text": "Before, there's always excuses." }, { "end_time": "27:19", "start_time": "27:18", "text": "I don't have free time." }, { "end_time": "27:20", "start_time": "27:19", "text": "I don't have money." }, { "end_time": "27:25", "start_time": "27:20", "text": "Now that I have a little more money, I said I if even if it's for 5 days, I need to come home because this is home." }, { "end_time": "27:28", "start_time": "27:26", "text": "My soul knows this is home." }, { "end_time": "27:32", "start_time": "27:28", "text": "To Indians, I might not be I might be American, but when I come here, I'm like, no." }, { "end_time": "27:33", "start_time": "27:32", "text": "I'm home." }, { "end_time": "27:41", "start_time": "27:33", "text": "So I try to every year, at least once, except for COVID year, I try to come at least one time and just set my feet in India and walk around if I can." }, { "end_time": "27:45", "start_time": "27:41", "text": "So I wanna come back in December because I didn't get to walk around and experience Mumbai this time." }, { "end_time": "27:52", "start_time": "27:46", "text": "I'm assuming the earliest memory of your life is somewhere between the age of 4 or 5." }, { "end_time": "27:52", "start_time": "27:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:57", "start_time": "27:52", "text": "Did you realize that you're a brown guy back then?" }, { "end_time": "27:57", "start_time": "27:57", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "28:00", "start_time": "27:57", "text": "Because you grew up in an Indian household, and my parents only had Indian friends." }, { "end_time": "28:03", "start_time": "28:00", "text": "So I just thought we were all the thing." }, { "end_time": "28:10", "start_time": "28:03", "text": "And I don't think I I knew I was Indian, but I didn't realize that most people thought that was different until school." }, { "end_time": "28:20", "start_time": "28:10", "text": "1st, 2nd grade, I started to realize I would talk about India, and I remember something about, you know, sometimes in India, like, my mom had a pet cow and everybody started laughing." }, { "end_time": "28:22", "start_time": "28:20", "text": "And I was like, what's so funny?" }, { "end_time": "28:25", "start_time": "28:22", "text": "And I remember this Indian girl being like, we don't have cows as pets." }, { "end_time": "28:26", "start_time": "28:25", "text": "And I was like, why is that weird?" }, { "end_time": "28:27", "start_time": "28:26", "text": "What's going on?" }, { "end_time": "28:28", "start_time": "28:27", "text": "And that's the first time I remember." }, { "end_time": "28:28", "start_time": "28:28", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "28:29", "start_time": "28:28", "text": "I I've never thought about that." }, { "end_time": "28:35", "start_time": "28:29", "text": "But it's the first time I remember being like, oh, this is not everybody doesn't have the same background as me." }, { "end_time": "28:39", "start_time": "28:36", "text": "And does that feeling increase with age?" }, { "end_time": "28:43", "start_time": "28:39", "text": "I think you get more comfortable with it as you get older, ideally." }, { "end_time": "28:45", "start_time": "28:43", "text": "Some people never get comfortable with it and you see that." }, { "end_time": "28:51", "start_time": "28:46", "text": "I think you kind of are forced in America to either embrace where you're from or reject where you're from." }, { "end_time": "28:53", "start_time": "28:51", "text": "These are kind of the 2 options." }, { "end_time": "28:54", "start_time": "28:53", "text": "For for every culture." }, { "end_time": "28:54", "start_time": "28:54", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "28:56", "start_time": "28:54", "text": "We're not just saying Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:58", "start_time": "28:56", "text": "Probably every culture, but especially Indian culture." }, { "end_time": "28:59", "start_time": "28:58", "text": "Now it's getting viewed differently." }, { "end_time": "29:02", "start_time": "28:59", "text": "But back then, growing up, it was more of a, like, this is a funny thing." }, { "end_time": "29:03", "start_time": "29:02", "text": "We don't understand it." }, { "end_time": "29:04", "start_time": "29:03", "text": "We kinda laugh at it." }, { "end_time": "29:09", "start_time": "29:04", "text": "So you can either reject it, have want nothing to do with India with I which I did for a while." }, { "end_time": "29:17", "start_time": "29:09", "text": "And then at some point, I I realized I'm actually from a beautiful place with a beautiful culture and beautiful people, and then I started to really embrace it." }, { "end_time": "29:18", "start_time": "29:17", "text": "I probably overcompensated." }, { "end_time": "29:22", "start_time": "29:19", "text": "And now I think I'm in, like, a healthy I'm proud of where I'm from." }, { "end_time": "29:26", "start_time": "29:22", "text": "I can still laugh at it at times, but, like, overall, I'm very proud of where I'm from." }, { "end_time": "29:28", "start_time": "29:26", "text": "I'm very I feel blessed to be Indian." }, { "end_time": "29:28", "start_time": "29:28", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "29:32", "start_time": "29:28", "text": "I don't know if every Indian knows about what the term a, b, c, d means." }, { "end_time": "29:33", "start_time": "29:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:35", "start_time": "29:33", "text": "And I don't even know if it's an offensive thing for NRIs." }, { "end_time": "29:36", "start_time": "29:35", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "29:37", "start_time": "29:36", "text": "We know who we are." }, { "end_time": "29:37", "start_time": "29:37", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "29:39", "start_time": "29:37", "text": "American born confused, Desi." }, { "end_time": "29:48", "start_time": "29:39", "text": "Because you grow up and I you pointed out earlier that that's the c is can why the c is confused because we grow up our whole lives in America, and people there tell us you're Indian." }, { "end_time": "29:50", "start_time": "29:48", "text": "I identify as Indian." }, { "end_time": "29:54", "start_time": "29:50", "text": "Then we come to India, and everybody in India is, like, no." }, { "end_time": "29:56", "start_time": "29:54", "text": "This you're a American." }, { "end_time": "29:57", "start_time": "29:56", "text": "You are American, man." }, { "end_time": "30:01", "start_time": "29:57", "text": "So that's where there's a lot of identity confusion, and I don't know where I fit in." }, { "end_time": "30:06", "start_time": "30:01", "text": "And there's much bigger struggles on earth, but that is a struggle that we have of, like, what are we?" }, { "end_time": "30:07", "start_time": "30:06", "text": "We don't know." }, { "end_time": "30:09", "start_time": "30:07", "text": "Nobody thinks we're them." }, { "end_time": "30:11", "start_time": "30:09", "text": "So I'm not just talking about Indians." }, { "end_time": "30:13", "start_time": "30:11", "text": "I'm also putting Pakistani, Sri Lankan, Bangladesh." }, { "end_time": "30:14", "start_time": "30:13", "text": "The same." }, { "end_time": "30:14", "start_time": "30:14", "text": "South Asians." }, { "end_time": "30:15", "start_time": "30:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:15", "start_time": "30:15", "text": "Desis." }, { "end_time": "30:16", "start_time": "30:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:22", "start_time": "30:18", "text": "The people who reject, their own home culture Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:24", "start_time": "30:22", "text": "What's the cause of the rejection?" }, { "end_time": "30:25", "start_time": "30:24", "text": "You get made fun of for it." }, { "end_time": "30:28", "start_time": "30:25", "text": "I remember not wanting to be made fun of for who I was." }, { "end_time": "30:30", "start_time": "30:28", "text": "Now, you wanna fit in as a kid." }, { "end_time": "30:32", "start_time": "30:30", "text": "That's the number one thing most kids want." }, { "end_time": "30:33", "start_time": "30:32", "text": "I just wanna fit in." }, { "end_time": "30:37", "start_time": "30:33", "text": "It takes a lot of confidence to be okay not fitting in." }, { "end_time": "30:39", "start_time": "30:37", "text": "Some people go so far the other way." }, { "end_time": "30:41", "start_time": "30:39", "text": "They're still trying to fit in with the weird people or whatever." }, { "end_time": "30:42", "start_time": "30:41", "text": "You know what I mean?" }, { "end_time": "30:44", "start_time": "30:42", "text": "Most of us just wanna fit in somewhere." }, { "end_time": "30:51", "start_time": "30:44", "text": "So if you're getting made fun of for where you're from, for where your language is, for what your culture is, you reject that, and you're like, I don't I don't want anything to do with that." }, { "end_time": "30:52", "start_time": "30:51", "text": "I'm not like them, guys." }, { "end_time": "30:53", "start_time": "30:52", "text": "I'm like you." }, { "end_time": "30:54", "start_time": "30:53", "text": "That's what I used to do." }, { "end_time": "30:57", "start_time": "30:55", "text": "So, again, it's a process, but that's where it comes from." }, { "end_time": "30:58", "start_time": "30:58", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "30:58", "start_time": "30:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:00", "start_time": "30:58", "text": "Can you go on a little bit more about this?" }, { "end_time": "31:06", "start_time": "31:00", "text": "Like, for example, when someone says that I reject Desi culture, do they drop their name as well?" }, { "end_time": "31:07", "start_time": "31:06", "text": "They won't say I reject it." }, { "end_time": "31:08", "start_time": "31:07", "text": "You'll see it in their actions." }, { "end_time": "31:11", "start_time": "31:08", "text": "You'll see it in the way they pronounce their names." }, { "end_time": "31:16", "start_time": "31:11", "text": "Like like, like, Ajay will call himself Ajay." }, { "end_time": "31:22", "start_time": "31:17", "text": "And sometimes they only do that for white people, and if they meet in India, they'll say Ajay." }, { "end_time": "31:27", "start_time": "31:22", "text": "And then in their mind, they are kinda just making it easy for white people, which I don't think they're wrong." }, { "end_time": "31:31", "start_time": "31:27", "text": "But, I personally feel like I don't care how they say my name." }, { "end_time": "31:33", "start_time": "31:31", "text": "They'll say Akash or Akash." }, { "end_time": "31:34", "start_time": "31:34", "text": "I say Akash." }, { "end_time": "31:36", "start_time": "31:35", "text": "I don't care what you say." }, { "end_time": "31:37", "start_time": "31:36", "text": "You can say anything you want." }, { "end_time": "31:39", "start_time": "31:37", "text": "It's not about how you pronounce my name." }, { "end_time": "31:40", "start_time": "31:39", "text": "It's about how I pronounce my name." }, { "end_time": "31:41", "start_time": "31:40", "text": "I own that name." }, { "end_time": "31:42", "start_time": "31:41", "text": "You know what I mean?" }, { "end_time": "31:47", "start_time": "31:42", "text": "So some people will go the other way and make white people say their name correctly or black or whatever." }, { "end_time": "31:47", "start_time": "31:47", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "31:47", "start_time": "31:47", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "31:47", "start_time": "31:47", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "31:48", "start_time": "31:47", "text": "It's pronounced like this." }, { "end_time": "31:49", "start_time": "31:49", "text": "I don't care." }, { "end_time": "31:52", "start_time": "31:49", "text": "I just need to make sure I say it the way it's supposed to be said." }, { "end_time": "31:52", "start_time": "31:52", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "31:53", "start_time": "31:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:59", "start_time": "31:53", "text": "So from the eighties until now, how's the perception of the Indian changed in America?" }, { "end_time": "32:01", "start_time": "31:59", "text": "There's still punch lines for sure." }, { "end_time": "32:07", "start_time": "32:01", "text": "And, like, there'll be some Twitter videos of Indians doing crazy stuff, like bathing in cow dung to not get COVID or whatever and whatever village." }, { "end_time": "32:09", "start_time": "32:07", "text": "And they'll make fun of that." }, { "end_time": "32:14", "start_time": "32:10", "text": "But overall, the perception is, honestly, India is is coming." }, { "end_time": "32:22", "start_time": "32:14", "text": "It's people, I think, prefer India to China in America in terms of, like, which superpower we would like to see be next." }, { "end_time": "32:31", "start_time": "32:22", "text": "But, yeah, I think the perception of Indians now is generally we're very educated, we're very smart, Not the biggest on, women's rights maybe." }, { "end_time": "32:34", "start_time": "32:31", "text": "But that's that's the only kind of I mean, yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:42", "start_time": "32:34", "text": "Again, outside of, like, the the crazy videos you'll see on Twitter or whatever, that's kind of the only negative perception is, like, it's not safe for women to walk down the street in New Delhi or whatever." }, { "end_time": "32:46", "start_time": "32:42", "text": "And they don't even I hear Bombay is very different, but they don't know that difference." }, { "end_time": "32:49", "start_time": "32:46", "text": "Who do Indians mostly vote for, Democrat or Republican?" }, { "end_time": "32:52", "start_time": "32:50", "text": "It's it's Young Indians vote Democrat." }, { "end_time": "32:54", "start_time": "32:52", "text": "All Indians vote Republican, typically." }, { "end_time": "32:55", "start_time": "32:55", "text": "Really?" }, { "end_time": "32:56", "start_time": "32:55", "text": "Not all." }, { "end_time": "32:58", "start_time": "32:56", "text": "Not across the board, of course." }, { "end_time": "33:07", "start_time": "32:58", "text": "But generalize, if I had to generalize, young Indians tend to be a little more liberal, a little bit more woke, and older Indians, they feel they came here, and they don't understand." }, { "end_time": "33:14", "start_time": "33:08", "text": "And it it takes a lot to understand that black people in America were, like, systemically over, like, at all levels." }, { "end_time": "33:16", "start_time": "33:14", "text": "So they don't they're just like, dude, I came here." }, { "end_time": "33:17", "start_time": "33:16", "text": "I made a living." }, { "end_time": "33:18", "start_time": "33:17", "text": "Why can't you?" }, { "end_time": "33:22", "start_time": "33:18", "text": "They don't necessarily understand that there's obstacles that have been set up that weren't set up for them." }, { "end_time": "33:33", "start_time": "33:22", "text": "They had their own struggle, and they see them as, like, I'm giving my tax dollars to people who don't wanna work hard and people who x y z, and they also just want we wanna keep our tax money, which is valid as well." }, { "end_time": "33:37", "start_time": "33:33", "text": "But I think older Indians tend to be right if you had to generalize and younger Indians tend to be left." }, { "end_time": "33:45", "start_time": "33:37", "text": "And what's gonna be interesting is probably as these guys get older, these young Indians, and they make more money, they're gonna start moving toward the right, and that's kind of the natural progression of those things." }, { "end_time": "33:46", "start_time": "33:45", "text": "Why does that happen?" }, { "end_time": "33:51", "start_time": "33:46", "text": "Because, I mean, Indians follow American politics from a geopolitical standpoint because whatever's happening in America It affects everything." }, { "end_time": "33:51", "start_time": "33:51", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "33:52", "start_time": "33:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:54", "start_time": "33:52", "text": "So we kind of have an overview." }, { "end_time": "34:01", "start_time": "33:54", "text": "But when I listen to, say, a Joe Rogan episode or any of any of the American podcasts where politics are discussed Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:04", "start_time": "34:01", "text": "I feel there's a lot of fire now between the two sides." }, { "end_time": "34:05", "start_time": "34:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:08", "start_time": "34:05", "text": "Like, there's a lot of intensity where, this is happening in India as well Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:09", "start_time": "34:08", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:09", "start_time": "34:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:11", "start_time": "34:09", "text": "But to a slightly lesser degree." }, { "end_time": "34:13", "start_time": "34:11", "text": "Like, the whole world's getting more polarized, but Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:14", "start_time": "34:13", "text": "Am I right in saying that?" }, { "end_time": "34:17", "start_time": "34:14", "text": "I feel the whole world is getting more polarized, but America is the epicenter of it." }, { "end_time": "34:23", "start_time": "34:17", "text": "And I think it bleeds I don't know if it bleeds from America or if America just did it first, and social media is causing all this rift." }, { "end_time": "34:27", "start_time": "34:23", "text": "And we're we were just the most on social media earliest." }, { "end_time": "34:28", "start_time": "34:27", "text": "You know what I mean?" }, { "end_time": "34:28", "start_time": "34:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:34", "start_time": "34:28", "text": "But, yeah, it's very I mean, dude, they tried to kill Trump potentially, or it was set up, I don't know, but 2 days ago." }, { "end_time": "34:35", "start_time": "34:34", "text": "That's insane." }, { "end_time": "34:36", "start_time": "34:35", "text": "That's insane." }, { "end_time": "34:40", "start_time": "34:36", "text": "That's never happened in my lifetime that someone takes a shot at a political leader." }, { "end_time": "34:41", "start_time": "34:40", "text": "It just in America." }, { "end_time": "34:44", "start_time": "34:41", "text": "I can't I'm still like, what's going on?" }, { "end_time": "34:45", "start_time": "34:44", "text": "I can't get my head around that." }, { "end_time": "34:47", "start_time": "34:45", "text": "How do you feel about it?" }, { "end_time": "34:49", "start_time": "34:47", "text": "I'm I'm worried about America, man." }, { "end_time": "34:54", "start_time": "34:49", "text": "Like, it's not I'm not saying it's falling apart or whatever, but it it don't it it's I'm worried about it." }, { "end_time": "34:55", "start_time": "34:54", "text": "You know what I mean?" }, { "end_time": "35:03", "start_time": "34:55", "text": "Like, what's going on here that we're this divided that we are shooting at political leaders, and I don't know." }, { "end_time": "35:06", "start_time": "35:03", "text": "It just it's very divided, and it's not getting any healthier anytime soon as far as I can tell." }, { "end_time": "35:07", "start_time": "35:06", "text": "And that's a scary thing." }, { "end_time": "35:08", "start_time": "35:07", "text": "Do you wanna talk about Gen z America a little bit?" }, { "end_time": "35:09", "start_time": "35:08", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:11", "start_time": "35:09", "text": "Let's yell at them a little bit." }, { "end_time": "35:12", "start_time": "35:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:12", "start_time": "35:12", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "35:13", "start_time": "35:12", "text": "Why do you say that, bro?" }, { "end_time": "35:14", "start_time": "35:13", "text": "They're annoying." }, { "end_time": "35:19", "start_time": "35:14", "text": "I mean, they're they're sweet, but they're also they're a little annoying." }, { "end_time": "35:19", "start_time": "35:19", "text": "You know what I mean?" }, { "end_time": "35:22", "start_time": "35:19", "text": "There's a lot of good things about them, but they're a little annoying." }, { "end_time": "35:23", "start_time": "35:22", "text": "Too intense?" }, { "end_time": "35:24", "start_time": "35:23", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "35:35", "start_time": "35:24", "text": "Well, I just, I don't I think they are concerned a lot about privilege in a way that I I'm annoyed by." }, { "end_time": "35:38", "start_time": "35:35", "text": "And I I'll speak specifically for Indian Americans." }, { "end_time": "35:42", "start_time": "35:39", "text": "I don't this is a much larger conversation I'm still trying to wrap my mind around." }, { "end_time": "35:47", "start_time": "35:42", "text": "I didn't ever realize how guilty guilty I felt about being in America until I got older." }, { "end_time": "35:51", "start_time": "35:47", "text": "It was this thing that always weighed on me because my mom had 3 sisters." }, { "end_time": "35:55", "start_time": "35:52", "text": "2 of them stayed in India, got arranged marriages." }, { "end_time": "35:59", "start_time": "35:55", "text": "My grandfather, my family's not gonna like me saying this, but he didn't care who he married them off to." }, { "end_time": "36:00", "start_time": "35:59", "text": "I don't know anything about their husbands." }, { "end_time": "36:01", "start_time": "36:00", "text": "I barely ever see them again." }, { "end_time": "36:03", "start_time": "36:01", "text": "They didn't have the easiest lives." }, { "end_time": "36:05", "start_time": "36:03", "text": "My mom got to move to America in 1968." }, { "end_time": "36:06", "start_time": "36:05", "text": "She was 14 years old." }, { "end_time": "36:08", "start_time": "36:06", "text": "She got to go to high school, got to go to college." }, { "end_time": "36:14", "start_time": "36:08", "text": "She got to build a life in America in the sixties when it was the land of opportunity and India was not." }, { "end_time": "36:19", "start_time": "36:15", "text": "The only reason I'm here in this chair is because I was born in America." }, { "end_time": "36:21", "start_time": "36:19", "text": "I am the my mom is the dividing line." }, { "end_time": "36:24", "start_time": "36:21", "text": "My mom and her younger sister both came to America." }, { "end_time": "36:25", "start_time": "36:24", "text": "The 2 oldest did not." }, { "end_time": "36:31", "start_time": "36:25", "text": "She's the dividing line between India when it was 3rd world and America when it was at its peak." }, { "end_time": "36:37", "start_time": "36:31", "text": "And I'm just I'm I'm just I came out of my mom in the right I came out of the right person." }, { "end_time": "36:39", "start_time": "36:37", "text": "That's the only reason I am where I am." }, { "end_time": "36:46", "start_time": "36:39", "text": "So when I hear Indians talking about privilege and, like, doing these pieces where they're the victims and they're traumatized by racism, it's like, yo." }, { "end_time": "36:46", "start_time": "36:46", "text": "Hey." }, { "end_time": "36:53", "start_time": "36:46", "text": "That trauma is valid, but do you not have any sense of how lucky you are to be in America back then?" }, { "end_time": "36:56", "start_time": "36:53", "text": "And, again, I'm not saying I know India's ascending." }, { "end_time": "37:04", "start_time": "36:56", "text": "But America back then and India back then, the way you got to grow up, you have no fucking clue how privileged you are, and it drives me crazy that you don't have that perspective." }, { "end_time": "37:06", "start_time": "37:04", "text": "And it really bothers me." }, { "end_time": "37:18", "start_time": "37:06", "text": "I don't that's when I hear Gen z, gen millennials, whatever, talking about, like, white privilege, I get that there's validity to it, but at least acknowledge your own privilege and how blessed you are to just have that opportunity." }, { "end_time": "37:26", "start_time": "37:19", "text": "Explain white privilege to Indians in India watching this because this is a very American Oh, that's it's all anybody talks about in America." }, { "end_time": "37:27", "start_time": "37:26", "text": "That's so funny." }, { "end_time": "37:32", "start_time": "37:27", "text": "The idea is being white gives you certain privileges in your life is easier because you are white." }, { "end_time": "37:41", "start_time": "37:33", "text": "And there is validity to it in that, like, if you're a black guy who gets pulled over by the police, you could get there's a chance you could get killed for no real reason." }, { "end_time": "37:46", "start_time": "37:41", "text": "It happens to white people too, but statistically, it seems to happen, or at least anecdotally, it seems to happen more to black people." }, { "end_time": "37:48", "start_time": "37:47", "text": "White people never have to worry about that." }, { "end_time": "37:51", "start_time": "37:48", "text": "That is an event an example of white privilege that is real." }, { "end_time": "37:54", "start_time": "37:51", "text": "But we talk about now there's all these different levels of privilege." }, { "end_time": "37:58", "start_time": "37:55", "text": "You have a cisgender privilege, meaning you're not transgender." }, { "end_time": "37:59", "start_time": "37:58", "text": "You are cisgender." }, { "end_time": "38:00", "start_time": "37:59", "text": "There's privilege in that." }, { "end_time": "38:02", "start_time": "38:00", "text": "You have heterosexual privilege." }, { "end_time": "38:14", "start_time": "38:02", "text": "That and then America has just become, in some people's eyes, a social structure of hierarchy based on what privilege, what amount of privilege you are perceived to have, and that dictates everything." }, { "end_time": "38:21", "start_time": "38:14", "text": "And you if you are at the most privileged, we can say anything you want, we want about you, and you can't say anything back." }, { "end_time": "38:28", "start_time": "38:21", "text": "And you should be apologetic for anything that you have, and it's just like this whole series of rules that comes with the privilege that you have." }, { "end_time": "38:28", "start_time": "38:28", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "38:32", "start_time": "38:28", "text": "Do Hindus in America know about the Mahabharata and Ramayana?" }, { "end_time": "38:32", "start_time": "38:32", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "38:37", "start_time": "38:32", "text": "We know of it, and then we all watch that Ramayana tape that 26 episodes." }, { "end_time": "38:37", "start_time": "38:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "38:39", "start_time": "38:37", "text": "I had that VHS, and I would watch it." }, { "end_time": "38:40", "start_time": "38:39", "text": "Episode 4, Darko is my favorite." }, { "end_time": "38:45", "start_time": "38:41", "text": "And then Mahabharata, a lot of Indian Americans like, I didn't like it as much as the Ramayan." }, { "end_time": "38:47", "start_time": "38:46", "text": "The The tapes." }, { "end_time": "38:49", "start_time": "38:47", "text": "The b r Chopra Mahabharata." }, { "end_time": "38:50", "start_time": "38:49", "text": "I don't even remember." }, { "end_time": "38:50", "start_time": "38:50", "text": "Mahabharata." }, { "end_time": "38:54", "start_time": "38:54", "text": "That." }, { "end_time": "38:54", "start_time": "38:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "38:55", "start_time": "38:54", "text": "I never got us into it." }, { "end_time": "38:57", "start_time": "38:55", "text": "On my end, I love, dude." }, { "end_time": "38:58", "start_time": "38:57", "text": "I thought it was awesome." }, { "end_time": "39:00", "start_time": "38:58", "text": "Do they show it to you with subtitles?" }, { "end_time": "39:01", "start_time": "39:00", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "39:02", "start_time": "39:01", "text": "I don't think we saw with subtitles." }, { "end_time": "39:03", "start_time": "39:02", "text": "I think we just Okay." }, { "end_time": "39:06", "start_time": "39:03", "text": "I don't even know if I understood I don't know if I understood what was being said." }, { "end_time": "39:07", "start_time": "39:06", "text": "I just love the fight scenes." }, { "end_time": "39:11", "start_time": "39:08", "text": "So one of we discussed this before we were rolling." }, { "end_time": "39:19", "start_time": "39:11", "text": "One of my creative dreams is to retell the Ramayana and the Mahabharata for international audiences, and I think that the time we live in needs that right now." }, { "end_time": "39:20", "start_time": "39:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "39:23", "start_time": "39:20", "text": "But also those shows, especially, B." }, { "end_time": "39:23", "start_time": "39:23", "text": "R." }, { "end_time": "39:26", "start_time": "39:23", "text": "Chopra's Mahabharata, if you can get through it Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "39:28", "start_time": "39:26", "text": "Something shifts inside you." }, { "end_time": "39:30", "start_time": "39:28", "text": "We watched the Geetha episode recent well, not recently." }, { "end_time": "39:31", "start_time": "39:30", "text": "I'm 40 now." }, { "end_time": "39:32", "start_time": "39:31", "text": "I was I was in college at the time." }, { "end_time": "39:36", "start_time": "39:32", "text": "But I remember being like, oh, this is and then I read the Geeta after that as an adult." }, { "end_time": "39:41", "start_time": "39:37", "text": "But I I remember that one episode being like, well, that's everything you need." }, { "end_time": "39:43", "start_time": "39:41", "text": "Did the philosophy affect you?" }, { "end_time": "39:50", "start_time": "39:43", "text": "I think I I think on some level, and I think about all the time, and like, I I just think about that." }, { "end_time": "39:51", "start_time": "39:50", "text": "This is my duty." }, { "end_time": "39:52", "start_time": "39:51", "text": "Just do it." }, { "end_time": "39:58", "start_time": "39:52", "text": "Bro, it's a story about war, and it's a very layered story about different human personalities at war." }, { "end_time": "39:59", "start_time": "39:58", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "40:04", "start_time": "40:00", "text": "I think it like, if you really get through the Mahabharata, it'll give you what you need in life." }, { "end_time": "40:07", "start_time": "40:04", "text": "And for me, it's given me a warrior spirit very intensely." }, { "end_time": "40:10", "start_time": "40:07", "text": "Like, I think my character building's come out of studying the Mahabharata." }, { "end_time": "40:11", "start_time": "40:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "40:18", "start_time": "40:11", "text": "Bro, in India, we're seeing this rise of spirituality again, especially with young people, especially people our age." }, { "end_time": "40:19", "start_time": "40:18", "text": "Is that the case in America?" }, { "end_time": "40:20", "start_time": "40:19", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "40:20", "start_time": "40:20", "text": "Not at all." }, { "end_time": "40:21", "start_time": "40:20", "text": "Lost it." }, { "end_time": "40:24", "start_time": "40:21", "text": "I don't know if it's lost forever, but it's not there right now." }, { "end_time": "40:26", "start_time": "40:24", "text": "So I'm a huge Joe Rogan fan." }, { "end_time": "40:26", "start_time": "40:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "40:29", "start_time": "40:26", "text": "And I actually think that a lot of the stuff he says is deeply spiritual." }, { "end_time": "40:30", "start_time": "40:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "40:33", "start_time": "40:30", "text": "He's spiritual guy, but he won't ever push a faith on anyone." }, { "end_time": "40:34", "start_time": "40:33", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "40:36", "start_time": "40:34", "text": "But I think he is spiritual without saying he's spiritual." }, { "end_time": "40:39", "start_time": "40:36", "text": "I think in action, he's spiritual, if that makes sense." }, { "end_time": "40:39", "start_time": "40:39", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "40:40", "start_time": "40:39", "text": "He's kind guy." }, { "end_time": "40:41", "start_time": "40:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "40:45", "start_time": "40:41", "text": "Just a very he's the most principled person I've ever met in my life." }, { "end_time": "40:48", "start_time": "40:45", "text": "Do you mind if he has Do you mind if we speak about him a little bit?" }, { "end_time": "40:48", "start_time": "40:48", "text": "Not at all." }, { "end_time": "40:49", "start_time": "40:48", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "40:50", "start_time": "40:49", "text": "Not at all." }, { "end_time": "40:53", "start_time": "40:50", "text": "Because you know how I feel about when I told you over the course of the last 3 days." }, { "end_time": "40:55", "start_time": "40:53", "text": "Like, I genuinely consider him my content guru." }, { "end_time": "40:56", "start_time": "40:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "40:58", "start_time": "40:56", "text": "And probably my life guru because I've listened to him so much." }, { "end_time": "41:01", "start_time": "40:58", "text": "Here's a great story about what kind of guy Joe Rogan is." }, { "end_time": "41:04", "start_time": "41:01", "text": "This is the first time I ever met him in person." }, { "end_time": "41:05", "start_time": "41:04", "text": "Never said a word to him." }, { "end_time": "41:10", "start_time": "41:05", "text": "Andrew was filming his comedy special, Infamous, was just like filming it." }, { "end_time": "41:14", "start_time": "41:10", "text": "Joe Rogan goes, watches the show, comes backstage after the special, sees me." }, { "end_time": "41:16", "start_time": "41:14", "text": "We've never said a word to each other." }, { "end_time": "41:23", "start_time": "41:17", "text": "Huge smile, gives me a genuine hug, talks to me, locks in on me for, like, 4, 5 minutes we're talking." }, { "end_time": "41:26", "start_time": "41:24", "text": "And, obviously, I'm this is 2021." }, { "end_time": "41:28", "start_time": "41:26", "text": "I didn't have much of a profile." }, { "end_time": "41:29", "start_time": "41:28", "text": "I wasn't selling tickets." }, { "end_time": "41:31", "start_time": "41:29", "text": "I hadn't put out a comedy special." }, { "end_time": "41:31", "start_time": "41:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "41:34", "start_time": "41:31", "text": "I'm just like I'm a guy that could do nothing for him." }, { "end_time": "41:47", "start_time": "41:35", "text": "Give me genuine attention, and the only time he breaks the attention is when another comic, who's even lower than me at the time, walks by Joe Rogan's black eye for what it's worth if anybody thinks anything about Rogan." }, { "end_time": "41:48", "start_time": "41:47", "text": "But he goes, Derek." }, { "end_time": "41:53", "start_time": "41:49", "text": "Gives Derek a big hug, then talks to him for a minute, and then comes right back to me." }, { "end_time": "41:58", "start_time": "41:53", "text": "Derek Poston, very, very, very funny comedian, but at the time, Derek couldn't do anything for me." }, { "end_time": "42:07", "start_time": "41:58", "text": "He certainly can't do anything for Joe Rogan, but Joe greeted 2 people that could do nothing for him with massive hugs, genuine conversation, genuine attention." }, { "end_time": "42:12", "start_time": "42:07", "text": "And what do they say if you wanna get an if you wanna know somebody, see how they treat people who can't do anything for them?" }, { "end_time": "42:14", "start_time": "42:12", "text": "That's Joe right there." }, { "end_time": "42:16", "start_time": "42:14", "text": "Like, I always remember that." }, { "end_time": "42:21", "start_time": "42:17", "text": "And this is before any of the controversy with the and more blah blah blah." }, { "end_time": "42:26", "start_time": "42:21", "text": "It was and just truly, like, warm energies, warm spirit." }, { "end_time": "42:34", "start_time": "42:26", "text": "I know that when someone has a really sharp and intense opinion about Joe Rogan, they've usually not seen more than about 5 or 6 episodes." }, { "end_time": "42:36", "start_time": "42:34", "text": "I don't even know if they've they haven't seen episodes." }, { "end_time": "42:39", "start_time": "42:36", "text": "They've seen Twitter clips cut up to make them think what they wanna think." }, { "end_time": "42:39", "start_time": "42:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:41", "start_time": "42:39", "text": "Unless they have a positive opinion of Jodorovic." }, { "end_time": "42:41", "start_time": "42:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:41", "start_time": "42:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:42", "start_time": "42:41", "text": "I mean, if you have a yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:44", "start_time": "42:42", "text": "If you have a sharply negative opinion of him." }, { "end_time": "42:45", "start_time": "42:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:48", "start_time": "42:46", "text": "Do you think he'll ever stop the podcast?" }, { "end_time": "42:49", "start_time": "42:49", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "42:49", "start_time": "42:49", "text": "I don't." }, { "end_time": "42:50", "start_time": "42:49", "text": "I think he loves it, man." }, { "end_time": "42:52", "start_time": "42:50", "text": "He genuinely loves it." }, { "end_time": "42:54", "start_time": "42:52", "text": "Like, he only this is what I was telling you off pod." }, { "end_time": "42:57", "start_time": "42:54", "text": "He only pursues things he's passionate about." }, { "end_time": "43:02", "start_time": "42:57", "text": "Even on the podcast, he's gonna talk about things he's passionate about, and he'll obsess over those things in a good way." }, { "end_time": "43:03", "start_time": "43:02", "text": "And that's what he'll talk about." }, { "end_time": "43:05", "start_time": "43:03", "text": "He is again, he's super principled." }, { "end_time": "43:15", "start_time": "43:05", "text": "He is not gonna pursue anything if it stops being fun for him, if it's something that is a money like, he makes a ton of money off the podcast, obviously, but he wouldn't do it for the money." }, { "end_time": "43:20", "start_time": "43:15", "text": "He would either do it for free or make a lot of money because he would do it for free." }, { "end_time": "43:21", "start_time": "43:20", "text": "Does that make sense?" }, { "end_time": "43:25", "start_time": "43:22", "text": "He's not gonna do some he's not gonna keep podcasting because there's money in it." }, { "end_time": "43:26", "start_time": "43:25", "text": "He's just not that guy." }, { "end_time": "43:29", "start_time": "43:26", "text": "What's it like doing a whole episode with him?" }, { "end_time": "43:30", "start_time": "43:29", "text": "Like, what do you feel at the end of the 2 hours?" }, { "end_time": "43:31", "start_time": "43:30", "text": "Exhausted." }, { "end_time": "43:33", "start_time": "43:31", "text": "Because I Joe gives you full attention." }, { "end_time": "43:36", "start_time": "43:33", "text": "Like, you're giving me a lot of attention right now." }, { "end_time": "43:40", "start_time": "43:36", "text": "Joe will lock in, make eye contact the whole time, and he's a professional." }, { "end_time": "43:42", "start_time": "43:40", "text": "He's one of the greatest talkers on earth." }, { "end_time": "43:48", "start_time": "43:42", "text": "So you're, like, in a genuine conversation in a normal conversation, generally, you'll zone out a little bit." }, { "end_time": "43:50", "start_time": "43:49", "text": "I you can't do that." }, { "end_time": "43:53", "start_time": "43:50", "text": "With Joe Rogan giving you his full attention, you better give him your full attention back." }, { "end_time": "43:54", "start_time": "43:53", "text": "This is Joe Rogan." }, { "end_time": "43:57", "start_time": "43:55", "text": "He's got 100 of 1,000,000 of dollars." }, { "end_time": "44:02", "start_time": "43:57", "text": "He's got tens of 1,000,000 of listeners, and he's giving you his undivided attention for hours on end." }, { "end_time": "44:08", "start_time": "44:02", "text": "If you don't match that, you are doing a disservice to a guy who's doing a lot for you." }, { "end_time": "44:09", "start_time": "44:08", "text": "You know what I mean?" }, { "end_time": "44:11", "start_time": "44:09", "text": "But most of us aren't trained at doing that." }, { "end_time": "44:13", "start_time": "44:11", "text": "We kinda zone in and out." }, { "end_time": "44:14", "start_time": "44:13", "text": "We kinda look wherever." }, { "end_time": "44:16", "start_time": "44:14", "text": "So you walk out of that being, like, holy shit." }, { "end_time": "44:18", "start_time": "44:16", "text": "Like, I just got out of a fight." }, { "end_time": "44:18", "start_time": "44:18", "text": "I'm tired." }, { "end_time": "44:22", "start_time": "44:19", "text": "But it's, you know, it's the least you can do for him." }, { "end_time": "44:24", "start_time": "44:22", "text": "What's the energy of the studio like?" }, { "end_time": "44:29", "start_time": "44:25", "text": "I think it's like a focused calm, I guess, probably, if I had to guess." }, { "end_time": "44:30", "start_time": "44:29", "text": "I haven't thought about it like that." }, { "end_time": "44:31", "start_time": "44:30", "text": "But, yeah, you go in." }, { "end_time": "44:32", "start_time": "44:31", "text": "He gives you a big hug." }, { "end_time": "44:33", "start_time": "44:32", "text": "You talk for a couple minutes." }, { "end_time": "44:34", "start_time": "44:33", "text": "Then whenever you're ready, you go in." }, { "end_time": "44:36", "start_time": "44:34", "text": "You just do the pod." }, { "end_time": "44:37", "start_time": "44:36", "text": "Put on the headphones, a little small talk." }, { "end_time": "44:38", "start_time": "44:37", "text": "Let it rip." }, { "end_time": "44:39", "start_time": "44:38", "text": "And just go." }, { "end_time": "44:42", "start_time": "44:39", "text": "Put my phone upside down or put my phone face down." }, { "end_time": "44:43", "start_time": "44:42", "text": "I don't want any interruptions." }, { "end_time": "44:44", "start_time": "44:44", "text": "But yeah." }, { "end_time": "44:45", "start_time": "44:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "44:46", "start_time": "44:45", "text": "What happens after the shoot?" }, { "end_time": "44:50", "start_time": "44:47", "text": "We've, both times, gave him a hug, took a picture." }, { "end_time": "44:52", "start_time": "44:50", "text": "He both times, he said that was great, which was such a relief." }, { "end_time": "44:54", "start_time": "44:52", "text": "When he said that was great, I was like, oh, thank God." }, { "end_time": "44:56", "start_time": "44:54", "text": "If nobody else likes it, you like it." }, { "end_time": "44:57", "start_time": "44:56", "text": "That's a massive win." }, { "end_time": "45:00", "start_time": "44:58", "text": "And then we just kinda I just kinda left both times." }, { "end_time": "45:01", "start_time": "45:00", "text": "There was a car waiting." }, { "end_time": "45:03", "start_time": "45:01", "text": "I don't wanna keep the driver waiting super long." }, { "end_time": "45:04", "start_time": "45:03", "text": "The episodes went kinda long." }, { "end_time": "45:06", "start_time": "45:04", "text": "I think the second time we hung out for, like, 10, 15 minutes." }, { "end_time": "45:10", "start_time": "45:06", "text": "But I'm also, like, very cognizant of, like, I don't wanna waste this guy's time." }, { "end_time": "45:11", "start_time": "45:10", "text": "Maybe too cognizant." }, { "end_time": "45:13", "start_time": "45:11", "text": "Maybe, like, I was with the Embonys where I'm like, oh, I don't wanna talk to you." }, { "end_time": "45:17", "start_time": "45:13", "text": "Sometimes I could be a bit too shy with that when you I already know you're doing me a favor." }, { "end_time": "45:18", "start_time": "45:17", "text": "So I kinda just let Joe be." }, { "end_time": "45:23", "start_time": "45:18", "text": "I try not to text him unless I have, like like, I'm gonna what an impact you had on him." }, { "end_time": "45:27", "start_time": "45:23", "text": "I think it's I would like for him to know how impactful he is, so I'll probably hit him with that." }, { "end_time": "45:28", "start_time": "45:27", "text": "Bro." }, { "end_time": "45:29", "start_time": "45:28", "text": "I saw the trailer for a new special." }, { "end_time": "45:31", "start_time": "45:29", "text": "I thought that was awesome, so I texted him that." }, { "end_time": "45:33", "start_time": "45:31", "text": "Like, I'll text him a little stuff like that, but that's it." }, { "end_time": "45:36", "start_time": "45:34", "text": "As YouTubers, as podcasters, who do you turn to?" }, { "end_time": "45:37", "start_time": "45:36", "text": "You gotta No." }, { "end_time": "45:38", "start_time": "45:37", "text": "It's not even a question." }, { "end_time": "45:40", "start_time": "45:38", "text": "You can only turn to, like, the older guys." }, { "end_time": "45:40", "start_time": "45:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:44", "start_time": "45:40", "text": "He is, like, literally the cause of podcasting in the world Yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:44", "start_time": "45:44", "text": "For me." }, { "end_time": "45:45", "start_time": "45:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:57", "start_time": "45:46", "text": "If I think I'm doing badly in a certain phase of podcasting, my solution to that repeatedly over the last 5 years is listen to a lot of Joe Rogan again and see the degree of evolution that that guy has reached in his questions Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "45:59", "start_time": "45:57", "text": "Or his knowledge levels." }, { "end_time": "46:00", "start_time": "45:59", "text": "He's such a knowledgeable guy." }, { "end_time": "46:01", "start_time": "46:00", "text": "It's unbelievable." }, { "end_time": "46:01", "start_time": "46:01", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "46:03", "start_time": "46:01", "text": "His his Andrew says this all the time." }, { "end_time": "46:07", "start_time": "46:03", "text": "The most impressive thing about Joe is his recall and retention." }, { "end_time": "46:11", "start_time": "46:07", "text": "Anything he's read or heard, he can recall it with perfect accuracy." }, { "end_time": "46:12", "start_time": "46:11", "text": "It's insane." }, { "end_time": "46:15", "start_time": "46:14", "text": "Have you just hung out with him?" }, { "end_time": "46:16", "start_time": "46:15", "text": "You have hung out with him." }, { "end_time": "46:16", "start_time": "46:16", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "46:17", "start_time": "46:16", "text": "I've hung out with him a little bit." }, { "end_time": "46:23", "start_time": "46:17", "text": "Again, I try not to be, like, in his way, but, like, I've been he had me on the show at the at the comedy club, at the mothership." }, { "end_time": "46:23", "start_time": "46:23", "text": "So we were hanging out a little bit backstage." }, { "end_time": "46:36", "start_time": "46:23", "text": "Again, intense guy, very focused, loves he loves stand up, which I think is awesome to be doing it for 30 years and have all that money and all that power and still still be like, no." }, { "end_time": "46:39", "start_time": "46:36", "text": "I love stand up, and I'm gonna work hard at this thing." }, { "end_time": "46:40", "start_time": "46:39", "text": "He doesn't half ass it." }, { "end_time": "46:43", "start_time": "46:41", "text": "You'll see comics that half ass it." }, { "end_time": "46:44", "start_time": "46:43", "text": "He's not one of them." }, { "end_time": "46:46", "start_time": "46:44", "text": "I'm gonna say something super vulnerable, man." }, { "end_time": "46:48", "start_time": "46:46", "text": "Like, I'm gonna be really transparent to you." }, { "end_time": "46:51", "start_time": "46:48", "text": "I have visualized this phase of my life." }, { "end_time": "46:52", "start_time": "46:51", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "46:56", "start_time": "46:52", "text": "It's this one specific visualization where I'm walking next to Joe Rogan in the Himalayas." }, { "end_time": "46:58", "start_time": "46:57", "text": "And I've visualized it a lot." }, { "end_time": "47:04", "start_time": "46:58", "text": "And I feel this country has so many wack secrets which you really need to seek out." }, { "end_time": "47:05", "start_time": "47:04", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "47:08", "start_time": "47:05", "text": "Like, there's these cities which are becoming popular travel destinations now." }, { "end_time": "47:14", "start_time": "47:08", "text": "But if you visit them, you know, the narrative is that India is unhygienic and disorganized, and that's true to a degree." }, { "end_time": "47:16", "start_time": "47:14", "text": "But it's getting better Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:17", "start_time": "47:16", "text": "On both fronts." }, { "end_time": "47:17", "start_time": "47:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:20", "start_time": "47:18", "text": "I'm waiting for a phase where India becomes travel friendly Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "47:23", "start_time": "47:21", "text": "So people are willing to come here and explore their own minds." }, { "end_time": "47:26", "start_time": "47:23", "text": "Like, this is an extremely stimulating country." }, { "end_time": "47:30", "start_time": "47:26", "text": "Joe would he's probably been, but he would love India, and he wouldn't care about any of that." }, { "end_time": "47:31", "start_time": "47:30", "text": "I think the issue with him is just time." }, { "end_time": "47:33", "start_time": "47:31", "text": "Four podcasts a week." }, { "end_time": "47:33", "start_time": "47:33", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "47:34", "start_time": "47:33", "text": "52 weeks a year." }, { "end_time": "47:36", "start_time": "47:34", "text": "I don't know when he's taking a vacation that's not shows." }, { "end_time": "47:37", "start_time": "47:37", "text": "I'm sure he has." }, { "end_time": "47:38", "start_time": "47:37", "text": "I just don't know." }, { "end_time": "47:40", "start_time": "47:38", "text": "Does he record things and then release it?" }, { "end_time": "47:42", "start_time": "47:40", "text": "Typically, for me, it's come out the next day." }, { "end_time": "47:44", "start_time": "47:42", "text": "Both times, I think, the next day." }, { "end_time": "47:49", "start_time": "47:44", "text": "The things he says, about the world, how he perceives the world, I feel He has a very eastern view on things." }, { "end_time": "47:50", "start_time": "47:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:50", "start_time": "47:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:51", "start_time": "47:50", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "47:51", "start_time": "47:51", "text": "Fuck." }, { "end_time": "47:52", "start_time": "47:51", "text": "That's exactly what I was saying." }, { "end_time": "48:02", "start_time": "47:52", "text": "Without trying to, without forcing it, he just has a very eastern view on things, which is, again, people have a very different view of what he actually is than or what he is than what he actually is." }, { "end_time": "48:06", "start_time": "48:02", "text": "Bro, what's an eastern view on things versus what's a western view on things?" }, { "end_time": "48:08", "start_time": "48:06", "text": "I wouldn't be surprised if Joe believed in reincarnation." }, { "end_time": "48:10", "start_time": "48:08", "text": "I don't know if he does, but I wouldn't be surprised." }, { "end_time": "48:13", "start_time": "48:11", "text": "Like, that he's very spiritual in that sense, I think." }, { "end_time": "48:18", "start_time": "48:13", "text": "Again, he doesn't he's not, like, annoying about it like some people, but I do believe he's like that." }, { "end_time": "48:22", "start_time": "48:18", "text": "I think he believes you put out I think he believes in got him." }, { "end_time": "48:24", "start_time": "48:22", "text": "Like, you put out good energy, it comes back to you." }, { "end_time": "48:25", "start_time": "48:24", "text": "I think he believes in that." }, { "end_time": "48:30", "start_time": "48:26", "text": "He's like, he overpays relative to every other comedy club." }, { "end_time": "48:38", "start_time": "48:30", "text": "I don't even he probably won't he wouldn't ever advertise this, but he pays way more than every other comedy club to the comics, to the doorman, to the employees, to the security." }, { "end_time": "48:40", "start_time": "48:38", "text": "Everybody, he just pays." }, { "end_time": "48:43", "start_time": "48:40", "text": "He tips like crazy whenever he goes somewhere." }, { "end_time": "48:48", "start_time": "48:43", "text": "And I think he believes you just put good energy out there, and then it comes back to you." }, { "end_time": "48:50", "start_time": "48:48", "text": "And that's a very eastern philosophy." }, { "end_time": "48:57", "start_time": "48:53", "text": "I wanna talk about eastern philosophy in general versus western philosophy." }, { "end_time": "48:57", "start_time": "48:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:59", "start_time": "48:57", "text": "For example, this is not all Indians." }, { "end_time": "49:06", "start_time": "48:59", "text": "But when you're in this country, you usually, at some point in your life, start thinking about the meaning of life." }, { "end_time": "49:07", "start_time": "49:06", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "49:13", "start_time": "49:07", "text": "And depending on whichever religion you belong to, you usually go back to the teachings of your own religion." }, { "end_time": "49:13", "start_time": "49:13", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "49:16", "start_time": "49:14", "text": "But you question the purpose of life a lot." }, { "end_time": "49:17", "start_time": "49:16", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "49:18", "start_time": "49:17", "text": "What's life like?" }, { "end_time": "49:20", "start_time": "49:19", "text": "Very generalized question." }, { "end_time": "49:30", "start_time": "49:21", "text": "But what's life like for an average and I love white people, but I'm using white people as an example here for, this question." }, { "end_time": "49:31", "start_time": "49:31", "text": "This season." }, { "end_time": "49:35", "start_time": "49:32", "text": "What's the average white person's mindset about life and death?" }, { "end_time": "49:45", "start_time": "49:36", "text": "I don't know that people that's a question I think people don't contemplate that much out loud because it starts to seem pretty hopeless." }, { "end_time": "49:47", "start_time": "49:45", "text": "Like, what is the meaning of life?" }, { "end_time": "49:49", "start_time": "49:47", "text": "Leave this place better than when you found it." }, { "end_time": "49:51", "start_time": "49:49", "text": "There's all these kinda general things you can say." }, { "end_time": "49:55", "start_time": "49:51", "text": "But if you really delve into that question, it can start to feel kind of hopeless." }, { "end_time": "49:58", "start_time": "49:56", "text": "That's where I think God is incredibly important." }, { "end_time": "50:00", "start_time": "49:59", "text": "I wanna shout out my wife." }, { "end_time": "50:04", "start_time": "50:00", "text": "She's sick, but she has a relationship with God that, like, I marvel at." }, { "end_time": "50:08", "start_time": "50:04", "text": "It's she knows a lot about the faith and all that, but she also just says these things that are so wise." }, { "end_time": "50:10", "start_time": "50:08", "text": "So even in immaturity, it's so mature." }, { "end_time": "50:12", "start_time": "50:11", "text": "And, I don't know." }, { "end_time": "50:13", "start_time": "50:12", "text": "I just wanna shout out." }, { "end_time": "50:14", "start_time": "50:13", "text": "This is a cool story." }, { "end_time": "50:17", "start_time": "50:14", "text": "But, like, I remember she had never really experienced death in her family." }, { "end_time": "50:27", "start_time": "50:17", "text": "And then during not from but within a span of 8 days, she lost her Nanaji, whom she loved, who was, like, the the her favorite, and then one of her Masis, who she also loved dearly." }, { "end_time": "50:29", "start_time": "50:27", "text": "And I remember her saying, I'm mad at God." }, { "end_time": "50:31", "start_time": "50:29", "text": "And I was like, oh, dude." }, { "end_time": "50:35", "start_time": "50:31", "text": "What a mature it's it sounds immature, but what a mature way to look at." }, { "end_time": "50:39", "start_time": "50:35", "text": "I'm so god like, afraid of God that I would never say something like that out loud." }, { "end_time": "50:44", "start_time": "50:39", "text": "But then I was, like, oh, if you if you look at God as, like, a parent who loves you, sometimes you get his gonna be mad at you." }, { "end_time": "50:44", "start_time": "50:44", "text": "It's okay." }, { "end_time": "50:45", "start_time": "50:44", "text": "I know he still loves me." }, { "end_time": "50:47", "start_time": "50:45", "text": "I know they still love me." }, { "end_time": "50:47", "start_time": "50:47", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "50:50", "start_time": "50:47", "text": "It's just a cool story that just came in my mind, and I just wanted to shout that out." }, { "end_time": "50:58", "start_time": "50:50", "text": "But, like, I think for her, if you ask her faith, it's just if you ask her the meaning of life, it's get closer to God at all times." }, { "end_time": "51:02", "start_time": "50:58", "text": "The closer you get to God, the closer you get to enlightenment, and then that you're you're free." }, { "end_time": "51:04", "start_time": "51:03", "text": "That's the core of Eastern philosophy." }, { "end_time": "51:05", "start_time": "51:04", "text": "That is Hinduism." }, { "end_time": "51:06", "start_time": "51:05", "text": "That is Sikhi." }, { "end_time": "51:06", "start_time": "51:06", "text": "That is everything." }, { "end_time": "51:07", "start_time": "51:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "51:17", "start_time": "51:07", "text": "And Eastern for the West, I think, it's make it to heaven probably, but that is from tending to your own garden, maybe taking care of your wife, taking care of your kids, doing community service when you can, giving 10% to the church." }, { "end_time": "51:19", "start_time": "51:17", "text": "I think there is probably those are the differences." }, { "end_time": "51:25", "start_time": "51:19", "text": "If you delve into this faith, Western versus Eastern, western is do good to get to heaven." }, { "end_time": "51:28", "start_time": "51:25", "text": "Eastern is be free." }, { "end_time": "51:33", "start_time": "51:29", "text": "Isn't atheism in the west generally speaking again?" }, { "end_time": "51:38", "start_time": "51:33", "text": "I feel I feel people don't have a concept of a higher power or a agnostic, but they know something." }, { "end_time": "51:40", "start_time": "51:38", "text": "They're a lot more agnostic than atheists." }, { "end_time": "51:42", "start_time": "51:40", "text": "Atheists are fewer and further between than you'd think." }, { "end_time": "51:44", "start_time": "51:42", "text": "Explain what an atheist is." }, { "end_time": "51:45", "start_time": "51:44", "text": "Atheist is there is no god." }, { "end_time": "51:47", "start_time": "51:45", "text": "I say that with a period at the end." }, { "end_time": "51:49", "start_time": "51:47", "text": "I say that with absolute certainty." }, { "end_time": "51:51", "start_time": "51:49", "text": "And I think it's foolish to believe in God." }, { "end_time": "51:51", "start_time": "51:51", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "51:55", "start_time": "51:51", "text": "And they are they preach just as much as religious people." }, { "end_time": "51:56", "start_time": "51:55", "text": "Very annoying." }, { "end_time": "51:56", "start_time": "51:56", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "51:57", "start_time": "51:57", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "51:59", "start_time": "51:58", "text": "And I'm sure other people have said this." }, { "end_time": "52:03", "start_time": "51:59", "text": "I remember Andrew being like, at least a Christian who's preaching to you wants you to go to heaven." }, { "end_time": "52:07", "start_time": "52:04", "text": "An atheist has no good purpose behind their preaching." }, { "end_time": "52:09", "start_time": "52:08", "text": "But, yeah, that's an atheist." }, { "end_time": "52:14", "start_time": "52:09", "text": "An agnostic is I don't I don't know if there's a God." }, { "end_time": "52:17", "start_time": "52:14", "text": "I think I would lean toward no, but I don't know." }, { "end_time": "52:18", "start_time": "52:17", "text": "I have no idea." }, { "end_time": "52:23", "start_time": "52:18", "text": "And I've I've been agnostic at times for sure, and I think that's something you can come in and out of." }, { "end_time": "52:29", "start_time": "52:24", "text": "But, yeah, I I think there's a lot more agnosticism in the west than there is in the east." }, { "end_time": "52:34", "start_time": "52:29", "text": "There's this book called The Autobiography of a Yogi, which was Steve Jobs' Oh, you've read it?" }, { "end_time": "52:35", "start_time": "52:34", "text": "Paramahansa Yogananda." }, { "end_time": "52:36", "start_time": "52:35", "text": "Woah." }, { "end_time": "52:36", "start_time": "52:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:36", "start_time": "52:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:37", "start_time": "52:36", "text": "You've read this?" }, { "end_time": "52:38", "start_time": "52:37", "text": "I've read this." }, { "end_time": "52:39", "start_time": "52:38", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "52:45", "start_time": "52:39", "text": "So it's the one book written by an Indian person, which is extremely popular worldwide." }, { "end_time": "52:45", "start_time": "52:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:49", "start_time": "52:45", "text": "It's probably one of the most popular book that's come out of India." }, { "end_time": "52:49", "start_time": "52:49", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "53:02", "start_time": "52:51", "text": "And once you read it, you understand why it's both Steve Jobs' favorite book and Virat Kohli's favorite book, and you keep bringing it up on the show regularly, and something shifts within you, when you read that book." }, { "end_time": "53:03", "start_time": "53:02", "text": "I need to reread it." }, { "end_time": "53:05", "start_time": "53:03", "text": "I read it when I was, like, 24, 23." }, { "end_time": "53:06", "start_time": "53:05", "text": "I would like to reread it." }, { "end_time": "53:19", "start_time": "53:07", "text": "So what I have read about the book is that it was the first book written by a sage from India where he wrote the book directly in English." }, { "end_time": "53:24", "start_time": "53:20", "text": "So normally, sages at that time this is, like, the 19 forties, 19 fifties." }, { "end_time": "53:25", "start_time": "53:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "53:31", "start_time": "53:25", "text": "Before this phase, books were written only in Sanskrit or I'm assuming a local language like Hindi." }, { "end_time": "53:31", "start_time": "53:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "53:39", "start_time": "53:32", "text": "And Hindi is a more complicated language than English, and I say that as a it's a deeper language." }, { "end_time": "53:40", "start_time": "53:39", "text": "It's more poetic." }, { "end_time": "53:40", "start_time": "53:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "53:43", "start_time": "53:40", "text": "Sanskrit is a whole other level of poetry Yeah." }, { "end_time": "53:44", "start_time": "53:43", "text": "Within the line." }, { "end_time": "53:50", "start_time": "53:44", "text": "It's a very complex, very advanced language, and you're able to encapsulate very elaborate emotions within words Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "53:51", "start_time": "53:51", "text": "In Sanskrit." }, { "end_time": "53:51", "start_time": "53:51", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "53:54", "start_time": "53:51", "text": "For example, there's a word in Hindi called mamta." }, { "end_time": "53:55", "start_time": "53:55", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "53:56", "start_time": "53:55", "text": "And mamta translates to?" }, { "end_time": "53:57", "start_time": "53:57", "text": "Mother?" }, { "end_time": "53:58", "start_time": "53:57", "text": "Mother's love." }, { "end_time": "53:59", "start_time": "53:58", "text": "Uh-huh." }, { "end_time": "54:00", "start_time": "53:59", "text": "That's a very specific emotion." }, { "end_time": "54:01", "start_time": "54:00", "text": "Like, motherly love." }, { "end_time": "54:02", "start_time": "54:01", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "54:03", "start_time": "54:02", "text": "So you can say I feel Mamta for the puppy." }, { "end_time": "54:04", "start_time": "54:03", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "54:06", "start_time": "54:04", "text": "And maybe even a guy could feel a sense of Mamta Yeah." }, { "end_time": "54:08", "start_time": "54:06", "text": "To some degree, but you're associated with those." }, { "end_time": "54:10", "start_time": "54:08", "text": "Now this is what Hindi is to English." }, { "end_time": "54:14", "start_time": "54:10", "text": "I imagine a whole other language which has even deeper stuff than Hindi." }, { "end_time": "54:14", "start_time": "54:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "54:20", "start_time": "54:14", "text": "For example, Ranveer, the name means run, which is, war field." }, { "end_time": "54:21", "start_time": "54:20", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "54:21", "start_time": "54:21", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "54:23", "start_time": "54:21", "text": "And Vir, which is brave." }, { "end_time": "54:27", "start_time": "54:23", "text": "So the Hindi translation of my name is, brave on the battlefield." }, { "end_time": "54:46", "start_time": "54:28", "text": "But if you get into the exact Sanskrit translation of what Ranveer means, it translates to something like the breakdown na v ra, which in some way and we had a Sanskrit scholar on the show who told me this." }, { "end_time": "54:57", "start_time": "54:46", "text": "It means that this person, if he is named Ranveer, as he goes forward in life, he perceives life to be more of a battle, but he also becomes braver and more capable of doing it." }, { "end_time": "55:02", "start_time": "54:57", "text": "And it's believed that your name in Indian culture becomes your life's mantra." }, { "end_time": "55:11", "start_time": "55:02", "text": "So you become your name, and you get the qualities of what your name is, which is why all Indian names are based on some deeper meaning." }, { "end_time": "55:14", "start_time": "55:12", "text": "Nothing against, like, other names." }, { "end_time": "55:15", "start_time": "55:14", "text": "But I it's not just Indian names." }, { "end_time": "55:19", "start_time": "55:15", "text": "I think even, like, in Islam, all their names have a deeper meaning." }, { "end_time": "55:20", "start_time": "55:19", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "55:25", "start_time": "55:20", "text": "I'm I'm assuming that even names like John and Jack have some biblical reference and Yeah." }, { "end_time": "55:27", "start_time": "55:25", "text": "It's a we usually reference to a person in the Bible." }, { "end_time": "55:30", "start_time": "55:27", "text": "And it's based on that I mean Joe is Jesus' dad." }, { "end_time": "55:31", "start_time": "55:30", "text": "Joseph." }, { "end_time": "55:32", "start_time": "55:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "55:35", "start_time": "55:32", "text": "It's based on the fact that maybe you gain the qualities of that person." }, { "end_time": "55:36", "start_time": "55:35", "text": "Maybe." }, { "end_time": "55:38", "start_time": "55:36", "text": "But we they don't we're they're disconnected from that." }, { "end_time": "55:39", "start_time": "55:38", "text": "And I don't mean that as an insult." }, { "end_time": "55:40", "start_time": "55:39", "text": "It just is what it is." }, { "end_time": "55:40", "start_time": "55:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "55:42", "start_time": "55:40", "text": "That's the beauty of India, bro." }, { "end_time": "55:47", "start_time": "55:42", "text": "You're exposed to all these scholars who know all these eastern philosophy, nuggets." }, { "end_time": "55:52", "start_time": "55:47", "text": "And your process of life and the process of the evolution of your mind keeps Yeah." }, { "end_time": "55:53", "start_time": "55:52", "text": "It it gets really fast here." }, { "end_time": "55:53", "start_time": "55:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "55:58", "start_time": "55:53", "text": "There's downsides to living in India, but there's a lot of upside if you're a reflective person." }, { "end_time": "55:58", "start_time": "55:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "56:01", "start_time": "55:59", "text": "Do you feel like you're becoming more like the sky?" }, { "end_time": "56:04", "start_time": "56:02", "text": "That's interesting." }, { "end_time": "56:10", "start_time": "56:04", "text": "Maybe because I do feel like I feel like my potential is up there." }, { "end_time": "56:14", "start_time": "56:10", "text": "I feel like my potential is up there, and I'm starting to reach it now." }, { "end_time": "56:16", "start_time": "56:14", "text": "I feel like I'm just starting to get there." }, { "end_time": "56:17", "start_time": "56:17", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "56:22", "start_time": "56:17", "text": "And I for a long time, I didn't have as much confidence in my stand up ability." }, { "end_time": "56:26", "start_time": "56:22", "text": "Like, I would see a lot of comedians, and I would be like, man, I don't know if I can do that." }, { "end_time": "56:29", "start_time": "56:26", "text": "And now I'm looking at a lot of them and be like, oh, they can't do what I can do." }, { "end_time": "56:30", "start_time": "56:30", "text": "And I don't mean that it's a shot." }, { "end_time": "56:32", "start_time": "56:30", "text": "This is where my confidence is now." }, { "end_time": "56:37", "start_time": "56:33", "text": "And so maybe, yeah, maybe I'm feeling like there is no real ceiling." }, { "end_time": "56:38", "start_time": "56:37", "text": "We can just keep going." }, { "end_time": "56:39", "start_time": "56:38", "text": "Maybe." }, { "end_time": "56:41", "start_time": "56:40", "text": "I think we've had a nice conversation." }, { "end_time": "56:42", "start_time": "56:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "56:42", "start_time": "56:42", "text": "And that's it." }, { "end_time": "56:44", "start_time": "56:42", "text": "I think we're done for today." }, { "end_time": "56:44", "start_time": "56:44", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "56:45", "start_time": "56:44", "text": "Thank you for asking." }, { "end_time": "56:46", "start_time": "56:45", "text": "Saying, bro." }, { "end_time": "56:46", "start_time": "56:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "56:48", "start_time": "56:47", "text": "You know how much it means to me." }, { "end_time": "56:56", "start_time": "56:48", "text": "We're talking off pod about touching India, trying to reach Indian audiences, not even to make money off them, just to, like, be in touch with where I'm from." }, { "end_time": "56:58", "start_time": "56:56", "text": "And so I really appreciate you having me." }, { "end_time": "56:58", "start_time": "56:58", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "56:58", "start_time": "56:58", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "56:59", "start_time": "56:58", "text": "For sure, bro." }, { "end_time": "56:59", "start_time": "56:59", "text": "I'm a fan." }, { "end_time": "57:00", "start_time": "57:00", "text": "I've told you this." }, { "end_time": "57:01", "start_time": "57:00", "text": "Thank you, man." }, { "end_time": "57:08", "start_time": "57:03", "text": "I really wanna make your work reach more people who understand what you're doing." }, { "end_time": "57:12", "start_time": "57:08", "text": "Because, I think there's a layer of stand up comedy where it's jokes Yeah." }, { "end_time": "57:16", "start_time": "57:12", "text": "And then there's a much deeper layer where it's a representation of the human being." }, { "end_time": "57:16", "start_time": "57:16", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "57:19", "start_time": "57:16", "text": "So you're bringing brown culture out there for the world." }, { "end_time": "57:20", "start_time": "57:19", "text": "That's that's the idea." }, { "end_time": "57:24", "start_time": "57:20", "text": "There's a lot of brown boys and girls who back you like crazy." }, { "end_time": "57:25", "start_time": "57:24", "text": "That's what I'm hoping for, man." }, { "end_time": "57:27", "start_time": "57:25", "text": "And I don't wherever I I wanna say this." }, { "end_time": "57:29", "start_time": "57:27", "text": "Wherever I wind up, I hope to be great." }, { "end_time": "57:30", "start_time": "57:29", "text": "That's up to them, not me." }, { "end_time": "57:37", "start_time": "57:30", "text": "But if they make me that, I hope I always represent us in a way that I'm gonna for sure." }, { "end_time": "57:42", "start_time": "57:37", "text": "But, hopefully, generally, I carry myself in a way that we're proud of, and I represent us well." }, { "end_time": "57:47", "start_time": "57:42", "text": "If you come back to India, and then we'll reboot, and we'll uncancel you." }, { "end_time": "57:47", "start_time": "57:47", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "57:47", "start_time": "57:47", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "57:47", "start_time": "57:47", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "57:50", "start_time": "57:47", "text": "I feel they're gonna get more annoyed than America." }, { "end_time": "57:51", "start_time": "57:50", "text": "America's more lenient now." }, { "end_time": "57:57", "start_time": "57:51", "text": "But I just, I'm probably gonna but just know that I'm I truly always consider us in everything I do." }, { "end_time": "58:00", "start_time": "57:57", "text": "Even if I I'm considering it on some level." }, { "end_time": "58:03", "start_time": "58:00", "text": "Akash Singh, thank you for being Thank you." }, { "end_time": "58:05", "start_time": "58:03", "text": "On TRS for the second time now." }, { "end_time": "58:05", "start_time": "58:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "58:09", "start_time": "58:05", "text": "And I hope to speak to you the next time when it's not the early morning." }, { "end_time": "58:10", "start_time": "58:09", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "58:12", "start_time": "58:10", "text": "And we have very high energy levels." }, { "end_time": "58:13", "start_time": "58:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "58:13", "start_time": "58:13", "text": "Thank you, man." }, { "end_time": "58:14", "start_time": "58:13", "text": "Thank you, man." }, { "end_time": "58:17", "start_time": "58:15", "text": "Ladies and gentlemen, that was Akash Singh." }, { "end_time": "58:22", "start_time": "58:17", "text": "It's always a blast speaking to stand up comics because I feel the very keen observers of life." }, { "end_time": "58:25", "start_time": "58:22", "text": "Make sure you follow Akash on all his social media handles." }, { "end_time": "58:28", "start_time": "58:25", "text": "TRS and the whole team will be back very, very soon." }, { "end_time": "58:32", "start_time": "58:28", "text": "I'm looking forward to collaborating with more overseas Indians." }, { "end_time": "58:41", "start_time": "58:32", "text": "So if you're someone who has something to say to the entire TRS community, please reach out on the email given below." }, { "end_time": "58:45", "start_time": "58:41", "text": "Lots of love and we're in the team will be back very soon." } ] }

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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:01", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "It's AC who's back on TRS." }, { "end_time": "0:05", "start_time": "0:04", "text": "Great to be back." }, { "end_time": "0:08", "start_time": "0:06", "text": "We're going to talk more about world history today." }, { "end_time": "0:11", "start_time": "0:08", "text": "It's Alexander the Great versus Genghis Khan." }, { "end_time": "0:14", "start_time": "0:11", "text": "But both of these topics are gonna touch India." }, { "end_time": "0:18", "start_time": "0:14", "text": "Fair to say that modern day Iran is the core of ancient Persia?" }, { "end_time": "0:20", "start_time": "0:18", "text": "It is the successor state of ancient Persia." }, { "end_time": "0:21", "start_time": "0:20", "text": "Successor state." }, { "end_time": "0:21", "start_time": "0:21", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "0:24", "start_time": "0:21", "text": "And I believe it was headquartered in Baghdad, if I'm not mistaken." }, { "end_time": "0:26", "start_time": "0:24", "text": "Zoroaster was born Hindu, by the way." }, { "end_time": "0:29", "start_time": "0:28", "text": "He was born in present day Gandhar." }, { "end_time": "0:32", "start_time": "0:30", "text": "We had a Zoroastrian expert on the show." }, { "end_time": "0:32", "start_time": "0:32", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "0:38", "start_time": "0:32", "text": "I know that Zoroastrians look at themselves as a sister religion to Hinduism." }, { "end_time": "0:40", "start_time": "0:38", "text": "I would say daughter religion to Vedic Hinduism." }, { "end_time": "0:44", "start_time": "0:40", "text": "Effectively, because we're talking about Alexander the Great, at that point, there were Zoroastrians." }, { "end_time": "0:45", "start_time": "0:44", "text": "The portions were his Zoroastrians." }, { "end_time": "0:46", "start_time": "0:45", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "0:51", "start_time": "0:48", "text": "Why is Alexander the Great celebrated as Alexander the Great?" }, { "end_time": "0:55", "start_time": "0:51", "text": "Well, the geographical landmass he conquered wasn't that great compared to somebody like Genghis Khan." }, { "end_time": "0:56", "start_time": "0:55", "text": "Khan." }, { "end_time": "1:05", "start_time": "0:56", "text": "But the reason that he is so much celebrated the way he is, is because I wonder who the son of, Chandigupta Maurya and his Greek wife was." }, { "end_time": "1:07", "start_time": "1:05", "text": "Part of history is is kind of lost." }, { "end_time": "1:09", "start_time": "1:07", "text": "Some people say that the lady's name was Helen." }, { "end_time": "1:16", "start_time": "1:09", "text": "Have there been very, very big historical warlords who were female?" }, { "end_time": "1:22", "start_time": "1:16", "text": "So there have been a few women, queens in Indian history like, let's talk about Genghis Khan." }, { "end_time": "1:26", "start_time": "1:22", "text": "All I know is that his international conquest began at age 40." }, { "end_time": "1:26", "start_time": "1:26", "text": "Imagine that." }, { "end_time": "1:29", "start_time": "1:26", "text": "Late forties, you begin your international career." }, { "end_time": "1:33", "start_time": "1:29", "text": "Before that, you're just struggling domestically, and he was alive at the same time that Prithviraj Chauhan was alive in India." }, { "end_time": "1:37", "start_time": "1:33", "text": "Chandruta Maurya was also based out of modern day Bihar." }, { "end_time": "1:39", "start_time": "1:37", "text": "Partly Putra, present day Patna." }, { "end_time": "1:42", "start_time": "1:39", "text": "Do you think there could have been white people all over Bihar at one point?" }, { "end_time": "1:46", "start_time": "1:42", "text": "There was a Greek embassy in in Partly Putra during the time of Ashok." }, { "end_time": "1:48", "start_time": "1:46", "text": "They even built temples and monasteries, the Greeks." }, { "end_time": "1:50", "start_time": "1:49", "text": "I wonder what they brought to India." }, { "end_time": "1:53", "start_time": "1:51", "text": "What they brought to India was a little bit of Greek genetics." }, { "end_time": "2:00", "start_time": "1:56", "text": "It's a world history special with Abhijit Chawra and myself." }, { "end_time": "2:06", "start_time": "2:00", "text": "These are the episodes I look forward to the most because I absolutely adore the subject of world history." }, { "end_time": "2:10", "start_time": "2:06", "text": "We're talking about Alexander the Great and Genghis Khan in today's episode." }, { "end_time": "2:25", "start_time": "2:10", "text": "So if you enjoy war stories, war strategies, psychology, and if you enjoy the aspects of history that you can actually apply in your professional life, in your social situations, and in your personal journey of life." }, { "end_time": "2:28", "start_time": "2:26", "text": "If you're that kind of person, you're going to enjoy this episode." }, { "end_time": "2:41", "start_time": "2:28", "text": "History is one of those subjects that you're not taught in an interesting way while you're a part of the traditional education system, but this podcast is an example of how history should be taught according to me." }, { "end_time": "2:43", "start_time": "2:41", "text": "It's an evergreen episode." }, { "end_time": "2:45", "start_time": "2:43", "text": "It's an episode I enjoyed very, very much." }, { "end_time": "2:52", "start_time": "2:45", "text": "This is AC along with RA on t r s." }, { "end_time": "3:13", "start_time": "3:11", "text": "I don't know how long this podcast is going to be." }, { "end_time": "3:19", "start_time": "3:13", "text": "This is one of those topics that I have wanted to do for a very long time with the man in front of me." }, { "end_time": "3:21", "start_time": "3:19", "text": "It's AC who's back on TRS." }, { "end_time": "3:22", "start_time": "3:21", "text": "Great to be back." }, { "end_time": "3:23", "start_time": "3:22", "text": "Welcome, AC." }, { "end_time": "3:24", "start_time": "3:23", "text": "Thank you so much." }, { "end_time": "3:28", "start_time": "3:25", "text": "I love history based podcasts." }, { "end_time": "3:30", "start_time": "3:29", "text": "Audiences feel mixed about it." }, { "end_time": "3:35", "start_time": "3:30", "text": "Like, whenever we do an Indian history based episode, you know it'll always do well." }, { "end_time": "3:35", "start_time": "3:35", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "3:38", "start_time": "3:35", "text": "But we're going to talk more about world history today." }, { "end_time": "3:41", "start_time": "3:38", "text": "But both of these topics are gonna touch India." }, { "end_time": "3:46", "start_time": "3:42", "text": "It's Alexander the great versus Genghis Khan." }, { "end_time": "3:46", "start_time": "3:46", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "3:51", "start_time": "3:47", "text": "And then we're also going to talk about the warlords who were forgotten a little bit." }, { "end_time": "3:51", "start_time": "3:51", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "3:56", "start_time": "3:52", "text": "But I'm going to repeat the same question I asked you before we started rolling." }, { "end_time": "3:57", "start_time": "3:56", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "3:59", "start_time": "3:57", "text": "Why is it even important to know about these topics?" }, { "end_time": "4:05", "start_time": "4:00", "text": "And or the question could be posed as why should we even learn history in the 1st place?" }, { "end_time": "4:06", "start_time": "4:06", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "4:18", "start_time": "4:06", "text": "Because if you learn history, if you learn history and you understand the patterns of human history, then you could actually understand why the way the world is why the world is the way it is today and what could happen in the future." }, { "end_time": "4:24", "start_time": "4:18", "text": "Because the same patterns that that occurred throughout history, that ripple throughout history like waves, the same patterns are in play today." }, { "end_time": "4:26", "start_time": "4:24", "text": "So that's why you should understand history." }, { "end_time": "4:31", "start_time": "4:26", "text": "That's why you should study history because it tells you it it helps you understand the world as it is today." }, { "end_time": "4:33", "start_time": "4:31", "text": "And why study great figures of the past?" }, { "end_time": "4:36", "start_time": "4:34", "text": "Well, there are various schools of thought of history." }, { "end_time": "4:40", "start_time": "4:36", "text": "1 is the cyclical the school of thought that history occurs in cycles." }, { "end_time": "4:43", "start_time": "4:40", "text": "What happened in the past will again happen in the future." }, { "end_time": "4:44", "start_time": "4:43", "text": "That's one school of thought." }, { "end_time": "4:47", "start_time": "4:44", "text": "There is another school of thought called the violent ape theory." }, { "end_time": "4:51", "start_time": "4:48", "text": "That we human beings are nothing but violent apes, like like our cousins, the chimpanzees." }, { "end_time": "5:01", "start_time": "4:52", "text": "And everything we do is driven by those base instincts, violent instincts of of conquest, of reproduction, of having more territory and more resources." }, { "end_time": "5:03", "start_time": "5:01", "text": "And that's why we behave the way that we do." }, { "end_time": "5:09", "start_time": "5:03", "text": "There is one more school of thought called the great man school of thought or great man theory of history." }, { "end_time": "5:17", "start_time": "5:09", "text": "That everything that's happened throughout human history has been driven by a small number of great and very powerful men." }, { "end_time": "5:29", "start_time": "5:18", "text": "Like Alexander the Great, like Genghis Khan, like Napoleon, like various other people, like, Vishnu Gupta Chanakya and Chandra Gupta Maury and so on and so forth." }, { "end_time": "5:32", "start_time": "5:29", "text": "So there are these different schools of thought of human history." }, { "end_time": "5:38", "start_time": "5:32", "text": "And the the point is that if you study history, you get to understand human nature and human psychology." }, { "end_time": "5:40", "start_time": "5:38", "text": "And that is very relevant to us today." }, { "end_time": "5:41", "start_time": "5:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:48", "start_time": "5:41", "text": "It's also a reason that almost 99% of the CEOs I've ever met are into history." }, { "end_time": "5:48", "start_time": "5:48", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "5:49", "start_time": "5:48", "text": "That's interesting." }, { "end_time": "5:54", "start_time": "5:49", "text": "Like, they always have an angle of being either into the study of war or the study of history." }, { "end_time": "5:59", "start_time": "5:55", "text": "I also think it's one of those subjects that you don't love a lot in school." }, { "end_time": "6:06", "start_time": "5:59", "text": "But then as an adult, when you really discover the fun aspects of history, you realize that shit, why didn't I enjoy this in school?" }, { "end_time": "6:21", "start_time": "6:06", "text": "Especially if you're into business, if you're into business competition, corporate, competition and all, the same patterns and the same tactics and strategies you use in warfare can be used in different ways, in a in a very different but similar way in business competition." }, { "end_time": "6:26", "start_time": "6:21", "text": "But that's why business people study, let's say, Sun Tzu's, the art of war, for example." }, { "end_time": "6:29", "start_time": "6:26", "text": "It's very popular, but you couldn't know how to use that." }, { "end_time": "6:35", "start_time": "6:30", "text": "Eventually, you do realize ways to use these psychological tricks from history Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "6:36", "start_time": "6:35", "text": "If you keep studying about history." }, { "end_time": "6:41", "start_time": "6:36", "text": "So, I hope that there's a lot of first time history podcast listeners on this one." }, { "end_time": "6:42", "start_time": "6:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:47", "start_time": "6:42", "text": "Because I remember I discovered you through an elaborate and fantastic Genghis Khan video." }, { "end_time": "6:47", "start_time": "6:47", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "6:49", "start_time": "6:47", "text": "So we'll do a bit of a recap." }, { "end_time": "6:49", "start_time": "6:49", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "6:52", "start_time": "6:49", "text": "Later on, we have to talk a little bit about Alexander." }, { "end_time": "6:57", "start_time": "6:53", "text": "But before that Alexander the Great section, I have a simple question for you." }, { "end_time": "7:00", "start_time": "6:57", "text": "You know, you spoke about the great man theory." }, { "end_time": "7:00", "start_time": "7:00", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "7:06", "start_time": "7:01", "text": "I wonder why there aren't more women within the great man theory." }, { "end_time": "7:06", "start_time": "7:06", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "7:12", "start_time": "7:06", "text": "And have there been very, very big historical warlords who were female?" }, { "end_time": "7:15", "start_time": "7:13", "text": "There have been a few." }, { "end_time": "7:20", "start_time": "7:15", "text": "Well, historically, our history has been all about, muscle power." }, { "end_time": "7:22", "start_time": "7:20", "text": "Look, it's all about power." }, { "end_time": "7:26", "start_time": "7:22", "text": "Geopolitics is all about the utilization and application of power in its various forms." }, { "end_time": "7:34", "start_time": "7:27", "text": "And throughout most of history, we did not have the technology we have today, which meant that power was typically in the form of muscle power." }, { "end_time": "7:35", "start_time": "7:34", "text": "Physical." }, { "end_time": "7:35", "start_time": "7:35", "text": "Physical power." }, { "end_time": "7:42", "start_time": "7:35", "text": "And when it comes to physical power, the men are stronger in the human species unlike in other species when you have stronger females in some species." }, { "end_time": "7:45", "start_time": "7:43", "text": "So that's why it's it was all about men." }, { "end_time": "7:45", "start_time": "7:45", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "7:51", "start_time": "7:45", "text": "So most of human history has been about men and typically most societies historically were patriarchal societies." }, { "end_time": "7:52", "start_time": "7:51", "text": "So that's why it's about great men." }, { "end_time": "7:54", "start_time": "7:52", "text": "Have there been any great women in the past?" }, { "end_time": "7:56", "start_time": "7:54", "text": "Well, I can think of a few." }, { "end_time": "8:00", "start_time": "7:56", "text": "I can think of Catherine the Great, the Russian Tsarina, the Russian empress." }, { "end_time": "8:06", "start_time": "8:00", "text": "I can think of Boudicca, the the the Brittonic, chieftain who fought the Romans." }, { "end_time": "8:15", "start_time": "8:07", "text": "I can think of a few great, queens in any industry like, Rani Haliya Bai Holkar, like, Rani Lakshibai and so on." }, { "end_time": "8:20", "start_time": "8:15", "text": "So there have been a few women who have been great in history, but mostly it's about men." }, { "end_time": "8:22", "start_time": "8:20", "text": "It's about male conquest." }, { "end_time": "8:23", "start_time": "8:22", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "8:23", "start_time": "8:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:28", "start_time": "8:24", "text": "One of my most memorable episode ever was with Vikas Divya Geerti." }, { "end_time": "8:32", "start_time": "8:28", "text": "So who's one of the leading UPSC coaches in post independence India." }, { "end_time": "8:32", "start_time": "8:32", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "8:33", "start_time": "8:32", "text": "Honestly." }, { "end_time": "8:35", "start_time": "8:33", "text": "And he's a legendary figure in the Indian coaching scene." }, { "end_time": "8:36", "start_time": "8:35", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "8:41", "start_time": "8:36", "text": "The takeaway I had from that podcast was a psychology based theory that he mentioned." }, { "end_time": "8:43", "start_time": "8:41", "text": "I can't remember what it was exactly." }, { "end_time": "8:51", "start_time": "8:43", "text": "And effectively, he said that, the nature of being a man and the nature of being woman is very different due to the childhood." }, { "end_time": "8:58", "start_time": "8:51", "text": "Because as a guy, when you're a boy and you're growing up and you're turning into a man, you're separated from your mother Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "9:00", "start_time": "8:59", "text": "In little ways." }, { "end_time": "9:04", "start_time": "9:00", "text": "For example, you're not allowed to sleep on the same bed that you could once easily sleep on." }, { "end_time": "9:04", "start_time": "9:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:04", "start_time": "9:04", "text": "You're told that, no." }, { "end_time": "9:05", "start_time": "9:04", "text": "You're a teenager." }, { "end_time": "9:06", "start_time": "9:05", "text": "Now go away." }, { "end_time": "9:06", "start_time": "9:06", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "9:09", "start_time": "9:07", "text": "And you just accept because that's how society works." }, { "end_time": "9:09", "start_time": "9:09", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "9:11", "start_time": "9:09", "text": "That doesn't usually happen with the girls." }, { "end_time": "9:12", "start_time": "9:11", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "9:20", "start_time": "9:12", "text": "They, enjoy the love of a mother for their whole life, in a not so similar way to the guys." }, { "end_time": "9:20", "start_time": "9:20", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "9:29", "start_time": "9:21", "text": "That void that's created in your childhood often leaves men with the need for fulfilling that void throughout their life." }, { "end_time": "9:29", "start_time": "9:29", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "9:36", "start_time": "9:29", "text": "Which is why guys have extremely massive goals even after they've achieved extremely massive goals." }, { "end_time": "9:40", "start_time": "9:36", "text": "But women, in a very healthy way, learn contentment." }, { "end_time": "9:44", "start_time": "9:41", "text": "Guys are not able to learn contentment as easily as women can." }, { "end_time": "9:45", "start_time": "9:44", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "9:53", "start_time": "9:45", "text": "Women are the simpler and nicer species, which also leads into that statement of if there was only female leaders all over the world, we probably wouldn't see wars." }, { "end_time": "9:54", "start_time": "9:53", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "9:55", "start_time": "9:54", "text": "I don't know how true that is." }, { "end_time": "9:56", "start_time": "9:55", "text": "That is a hypothesis." }, { "end_time": "9:56", "start_time": "9:56", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "10:07", "start_time": "9:56", "text": "But, I've known a lot of men and women, and I've I've noticed that it's the guys who have that sense of aggressive expansionism, aggressive ambition, sometimes at the cost of their own health." }, { "end_time": "10:07", "start_time": "10:07", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "10:08", "start_time": "10:07", "text": "We're talking about this earlier today." }, { "end_time": "10:09", "start_time": "10:08", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "10:15", "start_time": "10:09", "text": "And I think that this great man theory is definitely slightly about human male psychology as well." }, { "end_time": "10:17", "start_time": "10:15", "text": "You always feel a little unfulfilled." }, { "end_time": "10:21", "start_time": "10:17", "text": "So even if you've conquered what your father lost in those battles Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:25", "start_time": "10:22", "text": "You want to create a kingdom that's 1,000 times larger." }, { "end_time": "10:25", "start_time": "10:25", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "10:26", "start_time": "10:25", "text": "Need." }, { "end_time": "10:28", "start_time": "10:26", "text": "You don't know why, but it's an internal primal need." }, { "end_time": "10:29", "start_time": "10:28", "text": "It's a it's a it's a desire." }, { "end_time": "10:30", "start_time": "10:29", "text": "It's a push." }, { "end_time": "10:31", "start_time": "10:30", "text": "It's a thing." }, { "end_time": "10:31", "start_time": "10:31", "text": "It's a hunger." }, { "end_time": "10:32", "start_time": "10:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:37", "start_time": "10:32", "text": "Maybe to explore this further, now let's begin the story of Alexander the Great." }, { "end_time": "10:38", "start_time": "10:37", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "10:45", "start_time": "10:38", "text": "So Alexander the Great Alexander the Great the Great, the Macedonian, whatever you wanna call him, he was born in the 4th century BC." }, { "end_time": "10:48", "start_time": "10:45", "text": "I think the year of his birth was 356 BC." }, { "end_time": "10:52", "start_time": "10:48", "text": "And he was born in this country called Macedonia or the North of Greece." }, { "end_time": "10:55", "start_time": "10:52", "text": "Today, we think of Macedonia as Greece itself." }, { "end_time": "11:00", "start_time": "10:55", "text": "But historically, Macedonia was this little country, this little kingdom, North of Greece." }, { "end_time": "11:02", "start_time": "11:00", "text": "His father was a great conqueror." }, { "end_time": "11:03", "start_time": "11:02", "text": "His name was Philip." }, { "end_time": "11:04", "start_time": "11:03", "text": "Philip of Macedon." }, { "end_time": "11:13", "start_time": "11:05", "text": "And Philip was this great expansionist, this conqueror who fought the Greeks and other neighboring kingdoms and who subjugated them all." }, { "end_time": "11:21", "start_time": "11:14", "text": "So Philip is this guy, this great conqueror, this very masculine manly figure who does everything a man would do, a great man would do." }, { "end_time": "11:29", "start_time": "11:21", "text": "He conquers and subdues all the Greek kingdoms and states city states like Athens and Sparta and whatnot and brings them all under his dominion." }, { "end_time": "11:31", "start_time": "11:29", "text": "So that is the father." }, { "end_time": "11:32", "start_time": "11:31", "text": "Now there's the mother figure." }, { "end_time": "11:33", "start_time": "11:32", "text": "That's Olympias." }, { "end_time": "11:37", "start_time": "11:33", "text": "So Alexander's mother was the greater influence in his life." }, { "end_time": "11:40", "start_time": "11:38", "text": "She was a very strong willed woman." }, { "end_time": "11:45", "start_time": "11:40", "text": "She was the daughter of a king of a neighboring country, Greek country called Epirus." }, { "end_time": "11:50", "start_time": "11:46", "text": "And her brother, when Alexandra was a teenager, was the king of Epirus." }, { "end_time": "11:59", "start_time": "11:51", "text": "So she was this imperious, strong willed woman, very demanding, very pushy, and she did not get along well with her husband, King Philip." }, { "end_time": "12:03", "start_time": "12:00", "text": "And that these are the two dominant figures in the life of Alexander." }, { "end_time": "12:05", "start_time": "12:03", "text": "So Alexander was this boy." }, { "end_time": "12:08", "start_time": "12:05", "text": "He was he at a very young age, he was very precocious." }, { "end_time": "12:15", "start_time": "12:08", "text": "He he displayed a lot of qualities that look like would mean that he would be a great king one day." }, { "end_time": "12:22", "start_time": "12:15", "text": "And his parents appointed a tutor for him, Aristotle, very famous name, a philosopher." }, { "end_time": "12:27", "start_time": "12:23", "text": "And Aristotle was also very influential in the formative years of Alexander's life." }, { "end_time": "12:35", "start_time": "12:27", "text": "He taught him various subjects that he would teach typically teach a prince like logic, like mathematics, like geography and all." }, { "end_time": "12:41", "start_time": "12:35", "text": "And geography is is what fascinated Alexander because, Aristotle used to speak about the Eastern Nations." }, { "end_time": "12:44", "start_time": "12:41", "text": "See, Greece is is located in Eastern Southeastern Europe." }, { "end_time": "12:50", "start_time": "12:44", "text": "Mediterranean Sea, Aegean Sea, the Greece of that day included present day Turkey." }, { "end_time": "12:56", "start_time": "12:50", "text": "The present day region of Anatolia, the region of Thrace, which is the small European portion of Turkey, and so on." }, { "end_time": "13:00", "start_time": "12:56", "text": "The Baltic region also was kind of part of their world." }, { "end_time": "13:02", "start_time": "13:00", "text": "So the Greeks understood Europe." }, { "end_time": "13:07", "start_time": "13:02", "text": "They knew Europe reasonably well, but they knew next to nothing about Asia beyond Persia." }, { "end_time": "13:13", "start_time": "13:08", "text": "So, like I said, historically, the present day Turkey was Greece." }, { "end_time": "13:20", "start_time": "13:14", "text": "But at that time when Alexander was born and he was a young teenager, it was under Persian control." }, { "end_time": "13:27", "start_time": "13:20", "text": "Our Persian neighbors from our perspective India, Persia is our well, right now there's Pakistan between us, but historically, Persia and India were neighbors." }, { "end_time": "13:36", "start_time": "13:27", "text": "And Persia was this very powerful empire who was very militaristic and expansionist, and they always sought to expand westwards." }, { "end_time": "13:38", "start_time": "13:37", "text": "They never fought India." }, { "end_time": "13:41", "start_time": "13:38", "text": "Just let's pause it a little bit to understand Persia better." }, { "end_time": "13:41", "start_time": "13:41", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "13:46", "start_time": "13:41", "text": "Because modern day people of Iranian descent when they're living abroad, they refer to themselves as Persian." }, { "end_time": "13:47", "start_time": "13:46", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "13:50", "start_time": "13:47", "text": "So fair to say that modern day Iran is the core of ancient Persia?" }, { "end_time": "13:52", "start_time": "13:50", "text": "It is the successor state of ancient Persia." }, { "end_time": "13:53", "start_time": "13:52", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "13:53", "start_time": "13:53", "text": "Successor state." }, { "end_time": "13:54", "start_time": "13:53", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "13:58", "start_time": "13:54", "text": "And I believe it was headquartered in Baghdad, if I'm not mistaken." }, { "end_time": "14:03", "start_time": "13:58", "text": "The ancient during Alexander's time, the capital city of Persia was Parsvapur." }, { "end_time": "14:06", "start_time": "14:04", "text": "The the the Greeks called it Persepolis." }, { "end_time": "14:08", "start_time": "14:06", "text": "Today, the Iranians call it Parsa." }, { "end_time": "14:12", "start_time": "14:09", "text": "That was the ancient capital of Persia." }, { "end_time": "14:18", "start_time": "14:12", "text": "And they had other big cities under the dominion like Baghdad, like like Damascus as well, by the way." }, { "end_time": "14:20", "start_time": "14:18", "text": "Syria was under Persian control at that time." }, { "end_time": "14:23", "start_time": "14:21", "text": "So they had many great cities under the control." }, { "end_time": "14:35", "start_time": "14:23", "text": "And Persia was it's it's a territorial extent was from the Indus River, so more or less, the West Bank of the Indus River, sometimes plus or minus something, all the way to Syria and the coast of the Mediterranean Sea." }, { "end_time": "14:35", "start_time": "14:35", "text": "Massive." }, { "end_time": "14:39", "start_time": "14:35", "text": "Even even present day, Judea, Israel, all of that." }, { "end_time": "14:43", "start_time": "14:39", "text": "And even Egypt in those days was under Persian domination, under Persian control." }, { "end_time": "14:45", "start_time": "14:44", "text": "Massive empire." }, { "end_time": "14:51", "start_time": "14:45", "text": "Great movie recommendation I'd like to give at this point is 300, which a lot of my Parsi friends really hate." }, { "end_time": "14:52", "start_time": "14:51", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "14:57", "start_time": "14:52", "text": "Like, if you recommend or talk about 300 in front of Parsi friends, they they don't react very well." }, { "end_time": "14:57", "start_time": "14:57", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "15:02", "start_time": "14:57", "text": "Because king Xerxes is shown in a very villainous way in the movie." }, { "end_time": "15:08", "start_time": "15:03", "text": "But Xerxes, Darius, all these Persian kings are revered, amongst the Parsi community." }, { "end_time": "15:12", "start_time": "15:08", "text": "It's a very occidentalist version of what happened there." }, { "end_time": "15:16", "start_time": "15:12", "text": "Xerxes, his name was Khayarsha, but the Greeks called him Xerxes." }, { "end_time": "15:17", "start_time": "15:16", "text": "Darius was." }, { "end_time": "15:19", "start_time": "15:18", "text": "The Greeks called him Darius." }, { "end_time": "15:21", "start_time": "15:20", "text": "Artaxerxes was Artaxerxes." }, { "end_time": "15:22", "start_time": "15:22", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "15:23", "start_time": "15:22", "text": "The Greeks called him Artaxerxes." }, { "end_time": "15:30", "start_time": "15:24", "text": "So these names are all twisted and and and, you know, modified, and the depiction is very negative." }, { "end_time": "15:38", "start_time": "15:31", "text": "Fair to say that the ancient kingdom of Persia, which was one of the biggest kingdoms on the face of the earth Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "15:41", "start_time": "15:38", "text": "Probably ought to rival the whole Indian subcontinent." }, { "end_time": "15:45", "start_time": "15:41", "text": "But I think the Indian subcontinent that time was probably a bunch of different kingdoms together." }, { "end_time": "15:47", "start_time": "15:45", "text": "It depends on what time period we're looking at." }, { "end_time": "15:56", "start_time": "15:47", "text": "Indian the Indian subcontinent has seen these cycles in which we have consolidation under 1 empire, like the Mauryan empire, the Kushan empire, and then fragmentation as well, but one culture, one civilization." }, { "end_time": "15:57", "start_time": "15:57", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "16:01", "start_time": "15:58", "text": "The Persian civilization Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "16:03", "start_time": "16:01", "text": "Do you think they followed Zoroastrianism?" }, { "end_time": "16:04", "start_time": "16:04", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "16:05", "start_time": "16:04", "text": "They were Zoroastrians?" }, { "end_time": "16:07", "start_time": "16:05", "text": "Well, during the time of Alexander, there were Zoroastrians." }, { "end_time": "16:08", "start_time": "16:07", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "16:11", "start_time": "16:08", "text": "Before that, there were obviously pre pre Zoroastrian, which means they were Hindus." }, { "end_time": "16:13", "start_time": "16:13", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "16:14", "start_time": "16:14", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "16:15", "start_time": "16:14", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "16:15", "start_time": "16:15", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "16:17", "start_time": "16:16", "text": "Zoroastrian was born Hindu, by the way." }, { "end_time": "16:24", "start_time": "16:17", "text": "He was born in present day Gandhar, which is present day Afghanistan, which is historical Gandhar, part of India." }, { "end_time": "16:27", "start_time": "16:24", "text": "We had a Zoroastrian expert on the show." }, { "end_time": "16:27", "start_time": "16:27", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "16:33", "start_time": "16:27", "text": "I know that Zoroastrians look at themselves as a sister religion to Hinduism." }, { "end_time": "16:35", "start_time": "16:33", "text": "I would say daughter religion to Vedic Hinduism." }, { "end_time": "16:35", "start_time": "16:35", "text": "But yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:35", "start_time": "16:35", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "16:37", "start_time": "16:35", "text": "Whichever way you wanna look at it." }, { "end_time": "16:42", "start_time": "16:38", "text": "Effectively, because we're talking about Alexander the Great, at that point, they were Zoroastrians." }, { "end_time": "16:43", "start_time": "16:42", "text": "The portions were Zoroastrians." }, { "end_time": "16:44", "start_time": "16:43", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "16:48", "start_time": "16:44", "text": "So that whole stretch from, say, Iran or Afghanistan Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "16:49", "start_time": "16:48", "text": "Up till Syria." }, { "end_time": "16:50", "start_time": "16:49", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "16:52", "start_time": "16:50", "text": "Up and kind of stretching into Egypt as well." }, { "end_time": "16:53", "start_time": "16:52", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "16:54", "start_time": "16:53", "text": "They were following Zoroastrianism?" }, { "end_time": "16:55", "start_time": "16:55", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "17:00", "start_time": "16:55", "text": "They were under portion domination or control, which means you would have local governors who had portions." }, { "end_time": "17:02", "start_time": "17:00", "text": "But the people were all in Mesopotamia." }, { "end_time": "17:04", "start_time": "17:02", "text": "They were Mesopotamian people, Assyrian or whatever." }, { "end_time": "17:10", "start_time": "17:04", "text": "In Egypt, they were Egyptian, but they all followed various different polytheistic belief systems and cultures." }, { "end_time": "17:16", "start_time": "17:10", "text": "So polytheistic systems get along very well together because you can you take anything as a god and you you worship it." }, { "end_time": "17:22", "start_time": "17:17", "text": "It's when you have monotheistic religions versus polytheistic religions that you have major clashes, cultural clashes." }, { "end_time": "17:24", "start_time": "17:22", "text": "Polytheistic cultures get along very well together." }, { "end_time": "17:26", "start_time": "17:24", "text": "Shinto is a great example in Japan." }, { "end_time": "17:29", "start_time": "17:26", "text": "It, syncretized very beautifully with Hinduism, Buddhism." }, { "end_time": "17:33", "start_time": "17:29", "text": "And today, it's it's indistinguishable from the Indian religions and so on." }, { "end_time": "17:35", "start_time": "17:33", "text": "Just a tangential example." }, { "end_time": "17:35", "start_time": "17:35", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "17:36", "start_time": "17:35", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "17:36", "start_time": "17:36", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "17:38", "start_time": "17:36", "text": "That's what these history podcasts are about." }, { "end_time": "17:41", "start_time": "17:39", "text": "Coming back to Alexander Yes." }, { "end_time": "17:43", "start_time": "17:41", "text": "Where we pause the story." }, { "end_time": "17:51", "start_time": "17:44", "text": "The reason I paused was to give people a version of what ancient Persia was at this point." }, { "end_time": "17:52", "start_time": "17:51", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "17:56", "start_time": "17:52", "text": "I believe Alexander the Great was responsible for the fall of the Persian Empire." }, { "end_time": "17:57", "start_time": "17:56", "text": "The destruction of Persia." }, { "end_time": "17:58", "start_time": "17:57", "text": "The destruction of Persia." }, { "end_time": "17:59", "start_time": "17:58", "text": "Oh, yes." }, { "end_time": "18:01", "start_time": "17:59", "text": "But pre Alexander, how long was Persia?" }, { "end_time": "18:04", "start_time": "18:03", "text": "That's another controversial question." }, { "end_time": "18:07", "start_time": "18:04", "text": "So when did ancient Persia begin?" }, { "end_time": "18:15", "start_time": "18:07", "text": "Well, it is said that it begins with the Achaemenid dynasty, the dynasty whose founder was the legendary Hakshamanish, Achaemenis." }, { "end_time": "18:17", "start_time": "18:16", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "18:22", "start_time": "18:17", "text": "And that's about, let's say, 3000 BC or 3,000 3,000 years before today." }, { "end_time": "18:24", "start_time": "18:22", "text": "Around 1,000, 1,200 BC." }, { "end_time": "18:26", "start_time": "18:24", "text": "We're not quite sure when it begins." }, { "end_time": "18:33", "start_time": "18:26", "text": "But the ancient Persians are very closely related to the ancient Indians, the post Vedic, or late Vedic Indian people." }, { "end_time": "18:35", "start_time": "18:33", "text": "The Persian language is like a daughter language of Sanskrit." }, { "end_time": "18:37", "start_time": "18:35", "text": "It's very similar to Sanskrit." }, { "end_time": "18:48", "start_time": "18:37", "text": "The Behisto inscription of the law of of the emperor Darius, Bhagasthana inscription, it sounds, if you read it, just like Sanskrit with certain pronunciation changes." }, { "end_time": "18:52", "start_time": "18:48", "text": "So very similar to us culturally, historically, genetically also." }, { "end_time": "18:54", "start_time": "18:52", "text": "Today's Persians are not that similar to us genetically." }, { "end_time": "18:58", "start_time": "18:55", "text": "But the ancient Persians were essentially the same as us." }, { "end_time": "18:59", "start_time": "18:58", "text": "Indians, genetically." }, { "end_time": "19:00", "start_time": "18:59", "text": "Over the years, they got mixed?" }, { "end_time": "19:09", "start_time": "19:00", "text": "With they got mixed with the people from the Caucasus during the Turkic occupation of Persia, which we'll dis which we'll discuss during the, Genghis Khan part of the thing." }, { "end_time": "19:09", "start_time": "19:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:10", "start_time": "19:09", "text": "And all." }, { "end_time": "19:10", "start_time": "19:10", "text": "So on." }, { "end_time": "19:14", "start_time": "19:10", "text": "Going over a very long period of history in today's episode, but fun." }, { "end_time": "19:16", "start_time": "19:15", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "19:19", "start_time": "19:16", "text": "Back to Alexander, and his parents." }, { "end_time": "19:24", "start_time": "19:19", "text": "I believe he was sent away from his family until the age of 17 or 18." }, { "end_time": "19:26", "start_time": "19:25", "text": "Well, not really sent away." }, { "end_time": "19:28", "start_time": "19:26", "text": "I'll it's it's an interesting episode of his life." }, { "end_time": "19:28", "start_time": "19:28", "text": "Go for it." }, { "end_time": "19:29", "start_time": "19:28", "text": "You take over." }, { "end_time": "19:31", "start_time": "19:29", "text": "So like I said, his parents did not get along together." }, { "end_time": "19:40", "start_time": "19:31", "text": "Very strong willed father and a very strong willed imperious mother, Olympias, the daughter of the king of Epirus." }, { "end_time": "19:44", "start_time": "19:40", "text": "And father is the king of Macedonia who had subdued the whole of Greece." }, { "end_time": "19:46", "start_time": "19:44", "text": "So mother and father don't get along." }, { "end_time": "19:47", "start_time": "19:46", "text": "Alexander was closer to his mother." }, { "end_time": "19:50", "start_time": "19:47", "text": "He had this rivalry with his father." }, { "end_time": "19:59", "start_time": "19:50", "text": "He saw his father as kind of an an as a competitor in manliness and and and in in creating a legacy." }, { "end_time": "20:02", "start_time": "20:00", "text": "So his his parents didn't get along." }, { "end_time": "20:04", "start_time": "20:02", "text": "His father marries another lady." }, { "end_time": "20:16", "start_time": "20:04", "text": "His mother in a fit of rage, obviously, naturally, leaves the the her her her husband's place and moves moves back to her home country, her native country, Epirus, where her brother is the king." }, { "end_time": "20:18", "start_time": "20:16", "text": "And Alexander moves there with her." }, { "end_time": "20:22", "start_time": "20:18", "text": "So he's separated from his father for a period of time." }, { "end_time": "20:31", "start_time": "20:22", "text": "And his mother's brother, his uncle, obviously, is very upset with, Philip for marrying another lady and, disrespecting his sister." }, { "end_time": "20:38", "start_time": "20:31", "text": "So Philip, he sends diplomats and embassies to his brother-in-law to the to the brother of Olympias." }, { "end_time": "20:43", "start_time": "20:38", "text": "And he also offers, I think, his sister or his daughter, probably sister, in marriage to this king." }, { "end_time": "20:49", "start_time": "20:44", "text": "So everything is fine between the two kings, but Alexander is staying for a while with his mother." }, { "end_time": "20:59", "start_time": "20:50", "text": "Now king Philip, he had subdued the whole of Greece, and he was beginning to plan for a massive conquest of Persia, of the Persian empire." }, { "end_time": "21:01", "start_time": "20:59", "text": "Because Persia and Greece had history." }, { "end_time": "21:09", "start_time": "21:01", "text": "Persia, like we discussed the movie 300, the Persians had invaded and occupied and conquered Greece during the reign of king of emperor Xerxes." }, { "end_time": "21:15", "start_time": "21:10", "text": "And he had, I think it was Xerxes or Darius, one of these 2 who had burned Athens once." }, { "end_time": "21:15", "start_time": "21:15", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "21:18", "start_time": "21:15", "text": "So there was this this animosity, historical animosity." }, { "end_time": "21:26", "start_time": "21:19", "text": "So Philip wanted to it was not his plans for conquest were not out of a need or a desire for revenge." }, { "end_time": "21:31", "start_time": "21:26", "text": "It was out of a desire for self glorification and for leaving a great legacy and proving how great he was." }, { "end_time": "21:37", "start_time": "21:31", "text": "So he had begun to amass a great army drawn from all the different, city states and and kingdoms within Greece." }, { "end_time": "21:41", "start_time": "21:38", "text": "And after some time, he was reconciled with his son, Alexander." }, { "end_time": "21:47", "start_time": "21:41", "text": "By the time Alexander was 17 or 18 years old, he he already demonstrated signs of greatness." }, { "end_time": "21:48", "start_time": "21:47", "text": "He was very fit, very athletic." }, { "end_time": "21:51", "start_time": "21:49", "text": "He had great qualities as a leader and all." }, { "end_time": "22:04", "start_time": "21:51", "text": "And in a battle or 2, he was even given the command command of 1 wing of Philip's army, and he acquitted himself so well that Philip felt insecure about the what the qualities his son was demonstrating." }, { "end_time": "22:05", "start_time": "22:04", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "22:06", "start_time": "22:05", "text": "So this is where we are." }, { "end_time": "22:09", "start_time": "22:06", "text": "And Philip Philip is planning to invade Persia." }, { "end_time": "22:16", "start_time": "22:09", "text": "So he holds this great celebration or great feast or whatever in which he invites all the various local rulers and all." }, { "end_time": "22:21", "start_time": "22:16", "text": "And there's a military parade in which Philip is the centerpiece of the, you know, the entire thing." }, { "end_time": "22:25", "start_time": "22:22", "text": "And it is in this parade that Philip is assassinated." }, { "end_time": "22:28", "start_time": "22:25", "text": "Somebody stabs him or spears him or something." }, { "end_time": "22:33", "start_time": "22:28", "text": "And the assassin tries to escape, but some one one of Philip's soldiers assas kills the assassin." }, { "end_time": "22:38", "start_time": "22:33", "text": "If he had not killed the assassin, then the motive would have been discovered why Philip was assassinated." }, { "end_time": "22:45", "start_time": "22:38", "text": "So today, historians speculate, maybe it was, Olympias, mother of Alexander who had this done." }, { "end_time": "22:49", "start_time": "22:45", "text": "Maybe it was Alexander himself who had his father assassinated, or maybe it was something else." }, { "end_time": "22:50", "start_time": "22:49", "text": "We're not sure." }, { "end_time": "22:53", "start_time": "22:50", "text": "It's all shrouded in mystery because the assassin was killed." }, { "end_time": "22:55", "start_time": "22:54", "text": "So that's where we are." }, { "end_time": "23:04", "start_time": "22:55", "text": "That's when that's when Alexander is overnight, all of a sudden with 1 hour's notice, thrust into into the position of being the king of Macedonia." }, { "end_time": "23:06", "start_time": "23:04", "text": "And then he has choices to make." }, { "end_time": "23:08", "start_time": "23:06", "text": "As to what does he do now?" }, { "end_time": "23:12", "start_time": "23:08", "text": "Does he go ahead with Philip's plan to invade Persia?" }, { "end_time": "23:16", "start_time": "23:13", "text": "Or does he first try to consolidate his rule over Greece?" }, { "end_time": "23:26", "start_time": "23:16", "text": "Because now that Philip is dead, all these various principalities and states in Greece may feel that they no longer have the need to submit to the new king of Macedonia." }, { "end_time": "23:30", "start_time": "23:27", "text": "So that's a that's the, choice Alexander had." }, { "end_time": "23:35", "start_time": "23:30", "text": "And he decided to go ahead and, go ahead with the plans to invade Persia." }, { "end_time": "23:41", "start_time": "23:36", "text": "But then he ran into problems with the city of with the with the kingdom of Thebes." }, { "end_time": "23:49", "start_time": "23:41", "text": "So to the south of Macedonia, there was Epirus, southwest, and to the southeast, I believe, there was Thebes, which was one of the principalities in Greece." }, { "end_time": "23:56", "start_time": "23:49", "text": "And Thebes resisted Alexander that we're not gonna, we're not gonna submit to you." }, { "end_time": "23:59", "start_time": "23:56", "text": "So Alexander marches south, invades Thebes." }, { "end_time": "24:01", "start_time": "23:59", "text": "There's this big siege of Thebes." }, { "end_time": "24:02", "start_time": "24:01", "text": "The city had a wall." }, { "end_time": "24:04", "start_time": "24:02", "text": "It was a fortified city." }, { "end_time": "24:06", "start_time": "24:04", "text": "And this goes on for, I don't know, weeks or months." }, { "end_time": "24:15", "start_time": "24:06", "text": "And by the time the siege breaks, his Alexander's soldiers are frustrated and they have been hit a lot by the by the defenders of Thebes." }, { "end_time": "24:17", "start_time": "24:15", "text": "So when the siege breaks, there is a lot of cruelty." }, { "end_time": "24:19", "start_time": "24:17", "text": "It had probably happened at night." }, { "end_time": "24:23", "start_time": "24:19", "text": "Siege warfare is very cruel because we'll first of all starve out the city." }, { "end_time": "24:27", "start_time": "24:23", "text": "And finally, when the siege breaks, you unleash all kinds of atrocities." }, { "end_time": "24:33", "start_time": "24:27", "text": "So to make a long story short, Alexander displayed great sagacity as well as cruelty at Thebes." }, { "end_time": "24:41", "start_time": "24:34", "text": "He tried to, let's say, give give, safe safe asylum to as many people as possible." }, { "end_time": "24:44", "start_time": "24:41", "text": "Let's say, in a family of 7 people." }, { "end_time": "24:50", "start_time": "24:44", "text": "1 of the people was in favor of Alexander and and Thebes submitted to Alexander, then he would pardon the whole family." }, { "end_time": "24:59", "start_time": "24:51", "text": "But apart from that, those who were not, like that, he had them all, sold into slavery." }, { "end_time": "25:01", "start_time": "24:59", "text": "And then he had the entire city destroyed." }, { "end_time": "25:03", "start_time": "25:01", "text": "What was slavery at that point?" }, { "end_time": "25:05", "start_time": "25:03", "text": "Selling off to private owners?" }, { "end_time": "25:05", "start_time": "25:05", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "25:07", "start_time": "25:05", "text": "Selling off to private owners." }, { "end_time": "25:08", "start_time": "25:07", "text": "Anywhere in Europe?" }, { "end_time": "25:09", "start_time": "25:08", "text": "Anywhere in Greece." }, { "end_time": "25:14", "start_time": "25:10", "text": "Essentially to the to the elites, to the, Greek society was very interesting." }, { "end_time": "25:18", "start_time": "25:14", "text": "It had what you could call class or caste system." }, { "end_time": "25:19", "start_time": "25:18", "text": "You had the nobility." }, { "end_time": "25:23", "start_time": "25:20", "text": "It was you know, what we are taught is that Greece is the mother of democracy." }, { "end_time": "25:25", "start_time": "25:24", "text": "Democracy begins with Greece." }, { "end_time": "25:31", "start_time": "25:25", "text": "Greek democracy may was such that only the aristocracy and only the male aristocracy could vote." }, { "end_time": "25:37", "start_time": "25:31", "text": "And you had a significant portion of the population that was slaves, who were owned by these aristocrats or nobles." }, { "end_time": "25:41", "start_time": "25:37", "text": "And owned means they had the power of life and death and whatever else on these people." }, { "end_time": "25:42", "start_time": "25:41", "text": "So that's what was done." }, { "end_time": "25:47", "start_time": "25:42", "text": "All these men, women, children who were sold into slavery became the property of somebody else within Greece itself." }, { "end_time": "25:49", "start_time": "25:47", "text": "Not within Europe, within Greece." }, { "end_time": "25:51", "start_time": "25:49", "text": "Within Macedonia, most likely." }, { "end_time": "25:54", "start_time": "25:51", "text": "And they spent their the rest of their lives in slavery." }, { "end_time": "25:55", "start_time": "25:54", "text": "That's what happened." }, { "end_time": "25:59", "start_time": "25:55", "text": "Was Greece the focal point of power in Europe at that point?" }, { "end_time": "26:06", "start_time": "26:00", "text": "The focal point of power in Europe probably was Greece because Rome had not yet emerged as a great successor state." }, { "end_time": "26:10", "start_time": "26:06", "text": "Eventually, Rome was the successor successor state or the next great power in Greece." }, { "end_time": "26:13", "start_time": "26:10", "text": "What would you say is the focal point of power in modern day Europe?" }, { "end_time": "26:16", "start_time": "26:13", "text": "In modern day Europe, the focal point of power is Washington, DC." }, { "end_time": "26:21", "start_time": "26:19", "text": "Within the geographical European landmarks, Germany?" }, { "end_time": "26:22", "start_time": "26:22", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "26:22", "start_time": "26:22", "text": "No?" }, { "end_time": "26:24", "start_time": "26:22", "text": "Germany is under US occupation." }, { "end_time": "26:25", "start_time": "26:24", "text": "So is Italy." }, { "end_time": "26:30", "start_time": "26:26", "text": "I would say the France is the only quasi independent nation in Western Europe." }, { "end_time": "26:34", "start_time": "26:30", "text": "If you look at the whole of Europe, east and west, Russia is the power center." }, { "end_time": "26:35", "start_time": "26:35", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "26:41", "start_time": "26:37", "text": "What we look at now is the western block versus the rest of the world." }, { "end_time": "26:41", "start_time": "26:41", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "26:46", "start_time": "26:42", "text": "That time was Greece and Macedonia or Europe versus Persia." }, { "end_time": "26:47", "start_time": "26:47", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "26:54", "start_time": "26:47", "text": "And the Greeks were kind of aware of a country called of of a civilization called India, but they did not know much about it at that time." }, { "end_time": "26:55", "start_time": "26:54", "text": "What was happening in India at that time?" }, { "end_time": "27:00", "start_time": "26:56", "text": "So at that time, we had the Nanda empire in India." }, { "end_time": "27:10", "start_time": "27:00", "text": "And the king the emperor was Mahapad Mananda, a very cruel person, a very greedy and, rapacious person who hoarded a lot of wealth in his palace or wherever it was." }, { "end_time": "27:15", "start_time": "27:10", "text": "And it was apparently, allegedly under a river or whatever that he was holding his his treasures." }, { "end_time": "27:20", "start_time": "27:15", "text": "So at the time, we had a very powerful empire in India, which was not a very kind emperor." }, { "end_time": "27:24", "start_time": "27:20", "text": "That was Mahapad Mananda around this time." }, { "end_time": "27:25", "start_time": "27:24", "text": "Where was he based in India?" }, { "end_time": "27:29", "start_time": "27:25", "text": "He was made based out of Patliputra, present day Patna." }, { "end_time": "27:30", "start_time": "27:29", "text": "Bihari?" }, { "end_time": "27:31", "start_time": "27:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:31", "start_time": "27:31", "text": "Present day Bihari." }, { "end_time": "27:32", "start_time": "27:31", "text": "Magad." }, { "end_time": "27:33", "start_time": "27:32", "text": "It was called Magad in those days." }, { "end_time": "27:37", "start_time": "27:33", "text": "And Magad has been the seed for power in India It has." }, { "end_time": "27:38", "start_time": "27:37", "text": "For multiple kingdoms." }, { "end_time": "27:40", "start_time": "27:38", "text": "It has given India so many empires." }, { "end_time": "27:41", "start_time": "27:40", "text": "It has been the birthplace of so many empires." }, { "end_time": "27:46", "start_time": "27:41", "text": "It was the flower of Indian culture, the center of India for such a long time." }, { "end_time": "27:47", "start_time": "27:46", "text": "Look where we are today." }, { "end_time": "27:57", "start_time": "27:52", "text": "So many narratives about Indian history also, but we'll stick to Alexander and Genghis Khanh, specifically Alexander." }, { "end_time": "27:58", "start_time": "27:57", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "28:02", "start_time": "27:58", "text": "So he goes and conquers that south, western part of Greece." }, { "end_time": "28:03", "start_time": "28:02", "text": "Thebes." }, { "end_time": "28:06", "start_time": "28:03", "text": "When does his eastern descent begin?" }, { "end_time": "28:06", "start_time": "28:06", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "28:07", "start_time": "28:06", "text": "So he conquers Thebes." }, { "end_time": "28:14", "start_time": "28:07", "text": "He destroys the city, and that sends a very strong message to the rest of the kingdom countries that this guy is not to be messed with." }, { "end_time": "28:15", "start_time": "28:14", "text": "He is no less than his father." }, { "end_time": "28:16", "start_time": "28:15", "text": "So then they all submit to him." }, { "end_time": "28:18", "start_time": "28:16", "text": "Let's make a long story short." }, { "end_time": "28:18", "start_time": "28:18", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "28:20", "start_time": "28:18", "text": "There's a lot in there, but he they all submit to him." }, { "end_time": "28:29", "start_time": "28:21", "text": "Then he gathers this army together, odd 50,000 men, okay, from various parts of Greece, mainly Macedonia." }, { "end_time": "28:37", "start_time": "28:30", "text": "And then they set out eastwards to carry out the the father's plans, Philip's plans." }, { "end_time": "28:48", "start_time": "28:37", "text": "So they go eastwards into the Balkans Balkan region and they go east of that and they cross over the sea, the the Aegean Sea, I believe, and they land in Anatolia Turkey." }, { "end_time": "28:50", "start_time": "28:48", "text": "With Turkey, which was then under Persian control." }, { "end_time": "29:03", "start_time": "28:51", "text": "And there are some battles and he goes forward, but all the thing is that, like I said, it was then under Persian control, but it was historically Greece, which means that peasantry, the population were mostly Greek." }, { "end_time": "29:06", "start_time": "29:03", "text": "And they welcomed him being Greek." }, { "end_time": "29:10", "start_time": "29:06", "text": "They were happy to see a Greek king come and take over the the the territory." }, { "end_time": "29:15", "start_time": "29:10", "text": "So they were under Persian occupation and once Alexander comes there, they see him as a liberator." }, { "end_time": "29:18", "start_time": "29:15", "text": "So he does not face a lot of resistance in Anatolia." }, { "end_time": "29:20", "start_time": "29:19", "text": "So he goes eastwards." }, { "end_time": "29:21", "start_time": "29:20", "text": "But there is this thing." }, { "end_time": "29:34", "start_time": "29:22", "text": "So he goes eastwards, and that's when the then king of Persia, Darius the 3rd, comes to know that this young boy from Greece, the son of Philip, is marching into Persian territory." }, { "end_time": "29:37", "start_time": "29:35", "text": "So he says, this little stupid boy, let me teach him a lesson." }, { "end_time": "29:40", "start_time": "29:38", "text": "He gathers an army, Darius the 3rd." }, { "end_time": "29:45", "start_time": "29:41", "text": "Repeatedly the army was half a 1000000 soldiers or maybe a 1000000 soldiers." }, { "end_time": "29:48", "start_time": "29:45", "text": "And this guy, Alexander, is 50,000 at most." }, { "end_time": "29:55", "start_time": "29:49", "text": "And they meet somewhere in Syria near the region of Damascus, somewhere around there." }, { "end_time": "29:57", "start_time": "29:55", "text": "There's a massive better battle." }, { "end_time": "30:02", "start_time": "29:57", "text": "And at that time, Persia was already an ancient empire." }, { "end_time": "30:07", "start_time": "30:02", "text": "Now when you have formed a new empire, your soldiers and your administration is hard." }, { "end_time": "30:10", "start_time": "30:08", "text": "Hard and you know how to fight." }, { "end_time": "30:21", "start_time": "30:10", "text": "But if you have, like, 7 or 8 generations of emperors before you, then you become a soft state and you become more all about pomp and pageantry and displays of power and displays of wealth and all that." }, { "end_time": "30:29", "start_time": "30:22", "text": "So he had this very large army that was very well decorated or whatever, let's say, but they were not good at fighting." }, { "end_time": "30:32", "start_time": "30:29", "text": "So Alexander's soldiers were all hard men." }, { "end_time": "30:39", "start_time": "30:32", "text": "The Greeks was a poor nation at the time compared to the eastern empires of Persia and India." }, { "end_time": "30:40", "start_time": "30:39", "text": "Greece and Europe were poor." }, { "end_time": "30:43", "start_time": "30:40", "text": "They were in poverty, which means that they were very hardy people." }, { "end_time": "30:45", "start_time": "30:43", "text": "They were hard people." }, { "end_time": "30:50", "start_time": "30:45", "text": "So there's this battle, to make a long story short, and the Persian army is annihilated." }, { "end_time": "30:51", "start_time": "30:51", "text": "It is annihilated." }, { "end_time": "30:53", "start_time": "30:52", "text": "Despite being a 1 is to 10 ratio." }, { "end_time": "30:54", "start_time": "30:53", "text": "1 is to 10 ratio." }, { "end_time": "30:55", "start_time": "30:55", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "31:00", "start_time": "30:55", "text": "But the Persian army is routed, and Darius has to flee eastwards." }, { "end_time": "31:05", "start_time": "31:00", "text": "So Alexander gets his first great victory over the Persians in the region of Syria." }, { "end_time": "31:08", "start_time": "31:06", "text": "Then he says then he has 2 options." }, { "end_time": "31:13", "start_time": "31:08", "text": "Shall I pursue Darius eastwards and take over the rest of Persia, or shall I first deal with Egypt?" }, { "end_time": "31:15", "start_time": "31:13", "text": "Egypt is the south of Syria." }, { "end_time": "31:16", "start_time": "31:15", "text": "So he says, let me go to Egypt." }, { "end_time": "31:18", "start_time": "31:17", "text": "But there was one problem over there." }, { "end_time": "31:26", "start_time": "31:18", "text": "There was an island in which there was this island kingdom called Tyre, t y r e, which is present day in Lebanon." }, { "end_time": "31:27", "start_time": "31:26", "text": "In present day Lebanon." }, { "end_time": "31:36", "start_time": "31:27", "text": "So this was a powerful maritime kingdom, a very very prosperous trading center, and they had a reasonably good army." }, { "end_time": "31:38", "start_time": "31:36", "text": "So they were still independent." }, { "end_time": "31:42", "start_time": "31:38", "text": "They had still not come under the, dominion of the Greeks under Alexander." }, { "end_time": "31:45", "start_time": "31:42", "text": "So Alexander decided to first take out Tyre." }, { "end_time": "31:51", "start_time": "31:46", "text": "So he sent an embassy to Tyre and said that, you need to submit to me and they refused." }, { "end_time": "32:01", "start_time": "31:51", "text": "So then what he does is that he builds his version of the Ram Setu, which was about see that, the island was about a 100 meters or so, less than a half a kilometer from the shore." }, { "end_time": "32:03", "start_time": "32:01", "text": "But to build a bridge was very difficult." }, { "end_time": "32:09", "start_time": "32:03", "text": "So he builds a bridge and it it gets swept down, swept away in a storm, then he rebuilds an even stronger bridge." }, { "end_time": "32:12", "start_time": "32:09", "text": "Eventually, he does siege warfare against Tyre." }, { "end_time": "32:21", "start_time": "32:12", "text": "And to make a long story short, eventually, Tyre is subdued and, he massacres whoever he can and then he he crucifies tens of thousands of people." }, { "end_time": "32:21", "start_time": "32:21", "text": "Crucification." }, { "end_time": "32:23", "start_time": "32:22", "text": "Extreme cruelty." }, { "end_time": "32:26", "start_time": "32:23", "text": "So Alexander over times becomes more and more cruel." }, { "end_time": "32:27", "start_time": "32:26", "text": "That's what we see." }, { "end_time": "32:28", "start_time": "32:27", "text": "What is crucification?" }, { "end_time": "32:31", "start_time": "32:28", "text": "Crucification is what the Romans did to Jesus later on." }, { "end_time": "32:35", "start_time": "32:32", "text": "This cross, wooden cross, and you nail people to that." }, { "end_time": "32:42", "start_time": "32:35", "text": "You either tie people to that or nail the people to that cross and you expose them to the elements, to the wind and the sun and the whatever else." }, { "end_time": "32:49", "start_time": "32:42", "text": "And after some period of time, they die either by being eaten by vultures or crows or because of exposure to the elements." }, { "end_time": "32:51", "start_time": "32:49", "text": "Very, very, very cruel death." }, { "end_time": "32:52", "start_time": "32:51", "text": "Very cruel death." }, { "end_time": "32:56", "start_time": "32:52", "text": "So he crucified tens of thousands of people in the island of Tyre." }, { "end_time": "33:01", "start_time": "32:56", "text": "So he subdues Tyre, wins the thing, gets a great amount of wealth from there." }, { "end_time": "33:04", "start_time": "33:01", "text": "They also took a great amount of wealth from Damascus." }, { "end_time": "33:06", "start_time": "33:04", "text": "Then he moves down south to Egypt." }, { "end_time": "33:09", "start_time": "33:07", "text": "Egypt was then under Persian domination." }, { "end_time": "33:13", "start_time": "33:10", "text": "So the Egyptians also saw Alexander as a liberator." }, { "end_time": "33:17", "start_time": "33:13", "text": "So he essentially took Egypt without without fighting too much." }, { "end_time": "33:21", "start_time": "33:17", "text": "And then he installs a go governor into to rule Egypt in his name." }, { "end_time": "33:23", "start_time": "33:21", "text": "His name was Ptolemy." }, { "end_time": "33:24", "start_time": "33:23", "text": "Ptolemy the first." }, { "end_time": "33:27", "start_time": "33:24", "text": "The Indians, they called him Thulamaya." }, { "end_time": "33:33", "start_time": "33:28", "text": "So Ptolemy was installed as the governor of Egypt and Alexander did one good thing in Egypt." }, { "end_time": "33:38", "start_time": "33:33", "text": "He founded a new city of the sea or a coastal city." }, { "end_time": "33:41", "start_time": "33:38", "text": "Today it is called by the Egyptians, Al Eskandriah." }, { "end_time": "33:44", "start_time": "33:42", "text": "And in English it's called Alexandria." }, { "end_time": "33:48", "start_time": "33:44", "text": "So that's one city, that's one thing that he founded that still exists." }, { "end_time": "33:50", "start_time": "33:48", "text": "Nothing else else exists." }, { "end_time": "33:54", "start_time": "33:50", "text": "So he conquers Egypt without really essentially without firing a single shot." }, { "end_time": "33:59", "start_time": "33:54", "text": "He takes it back from the he liberates it from the portions, but puts it under his yoke, under his domination." }, { "end_time": "34:04", "start_time": "34:00", "text": "Then he once again goes back in pursuit of Darius the 3rd." }, { "end_time": "34:06", "start_time": "34:05", "text": "So he goes eastwards." }, { "end_time": "34:09", "start_time": "34:06", "text": "He crosses Anatolia and goes eastwards, and now he's coming into Persia." }, { "end_time": "34:11", "start_time": "34:10", "text": "He even goes northwards." }, { "end_time": "34:14", "start_time": "34:11", "text": "He crosses the Akshu the the what is it called?" }, { "end_time": "34:15", "start_time": "34:14", "text": "The the river?" }, { "end_time": "34:17", "start_time": "34:15", "text": "The Akshu river, I think it was called." }, { "end_time": "34:18", "start_time": "34:17", "text": "The Oksas." }, { "end_time": "34:22", "start_time": "34:18", "text": "We Indians call it the Akshu or the Chakshu or something like that." }, { "end_time": "34:25", "start_time": "34:22", "text": "And he pursues to to make a very long story short." }, { "end_time": "34:27", "start_time": "34:25", "text": "He pursues the Rayas all the everywhere." }, { "end_time": "34:31", "start_time": "34:27", "text": "Eventually, they meet in a big plain called Gaugamela." }, { "end_time": "34:36", "start_time": "34:31", "text": "And this is the great battle of Gaugamela in which the entire Persian army is annihilated." }, { "end_time": "34:43", "start_time": "34:37", "text": "And once again, Darius escapes, but the flower of the Persian army is finished." }, { "end_time": "34:49", "start_time": "34:43", "text": "And that plain, about 300,000 dead soldiers with elephants and horses were there on the plain." }, { "end_time": "34:52", "start_time": "34:49", "text": "So you can imagine how it smelled after a day or 2." }, { "end_time": "34:54", "start_time": "34:52", "text": "So everybody, including the local population, had to flee from the place." }, { "end_time": "34:56", "start_time": "34:54", "text": "That's how horrible it was, the scene." }, { "end_time": "35:04", "start_time": "34:57", "text": "And then eventually what happens is that, he's able to capture the family of Darius who stupidly brought his whole family to fire to to the scene of the battle." }, { "end_time": "35:07", "start_time": "35:04", "text": "I think he was his family was captured in Syria itself." }, { "end_time": "35:09", "start_time": "35:07", "text": "So his mother was captured, Darius' mother." }, { "end_time": "35:13", "start_time": "35:09", "text": "His wife was captured in a whole number of other ladies and other people." }, { "end_time": "35:15", "start_time": "35:13", "text": "His his son his child was also captured." }, { "end_time": "35:28", "start_time": "35:16", "text": "So Alexander treats them well, Darius' family, because he wanted to demonstrate how powerful and important he was that he had such important hostages with him." }, { "end_time": "35:35", "start_time": "35:28", "text": "So the better he treated them and the more royal treatment he gave them, the more important they became as hostages." }, { "end_time": "35:38", "start_time": "35:35", "text": "So he treated treats Darius' family very well." }, { "end_time": "35:47", "start_time": "35:39", "text": "Darius flees, I think, north of the Oxus River and eventually, he is betrayed and murdered by his own people, by his own generals." }, { "end_time": "35:55", "start_time": "35:48", "text": "And Alexander has the that general who did this, tortured and given a very bad death." }, { "end_time": "35:57", "start_time": "35:55", "text": "As in the general who killed, Darius." }, { "end_time": "35:58", "start_time": "35:57", "text": "Darius." }, { "end_time": "36:00", "start_time": "35:59", "text": "Alexander tortured and killed him?" }, { "end_time": "36:01", "start_time": "36:00", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "36:06", "start_time": "36:01", "text": "He had that general handed over to the mother of Darius who had him tortured and all." }, { "end_time": "36:20", "start_time": "36:06", "text": "But in between all of this, before the death of Darius, Alexander takes the city of Parswapur, Persepolis, and he gets drunk and it is all blamed on a woman, one of his companions who was also drunk, and she got this great idea, let's burn the city." }, { "end_time": "36:25", "start_time": "36:20", "text": "Because, 150 years ago, the Persian king, Darius the first or whoever it was, had burned Athens." }, { "end_time": "36:28", "start_time": "36:26", "text": "So let us burn the Parsippur, Parsha Polis." }, { "end_time": "36:30", "start_time": "36:28", "text": "And Alexander says, yeah, let's do it." }, { "end_time": "36:31", "start_time": "36:30", "text": "And they burned the city." }, { "end_time": "36:35", "start_time": "36:31", "text": "Even today, if you go to Parsa, present day Parsa, you can see burn marks on the walls." }, { "end_time": "36:42", "start_time": "36:36", "text": "He destroys the flower of, the Persian civilization, the great city of Parsha Pur destroyed forever." }, { "end_time": "36:45", "start_time": "36:42", "text": "It is still in ruins, the way he left it." }, { "end_time": "36:47", "start_time": "36:45", "text": "Let's pause the story a little bit." }, { "end_time": "36:56", "start_time": "36:47", "text": "My question is, especially for the people who are listening to this episode without much of an insight on world history." }, { "end_time": "37:01", "start_time": "36:56", "text": "Why is this one leader spoken about more than other leaders and other warlords in history?" }, { "end_time": "37:03", "start_time": "37:01", "text": "Because there were other people as well." }, { "end_time": "37:06", "start_time": "37:03", "text": "Is it because of the geographical landmass that he conquered?" }, { "end_time": "37:10", "start_time": "37:07", "text": "Like, why is Alexander the great celebrated as Alexander the great?" }, { "end_time": "37:15", "start_time": "37:10", "text": "Well, the geographical landmass he conquered wasn't that great compared to somebody like Genghis Khan." }, { "end_time": "37:24", "start_time": "37:15", "text": "But the reason that he is so much celebrated the way he is is because there is something called Western civilization today, which I don't really see as a civilization." }, { "end_time": "37:36", "start_time": "37:24", "text": "It's but Western civilization, its origins, according to the west, according to the to the Americans and whoever else it is, it is ancient Greece, ancient Rome, ancient Egypt, and Mesopotamia." }, { "end_time": "37:41", "start_time": "37:37", "text": "So if you look at an American Express credit credit card, what do you see?" }, { "end_time": "37:43", "start_time": "37:41", "text": "You see a Roman Centurion in it." }, { "end_time": "37:47", "start_time": "37:44", "text": "And the Roman Centurions, the dress they used to wear was copied from the ancient Greeks." }, { "end_time": "37:52", "start_time": "37:47", "text": "We have a helmet over here, which is a Corinthian or or or or a Spartan helmet." }, { "end_time": "37:55", "start_time": "37:53", "text": "The Romans copied this in their own dress." }, { "end_time": "37:56", "start_time": "37:56", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "38:02", "start_time": "37:56", "text": "So the Roman century that you see on an American Express credit card is kind of the the headgear is derived from here, from this." }, { "end_time": "38:07", "start_time": "38:02", "text": "So the Western civilization, it's it's birthplace is Greece Rome." }, { "end_time": "38:10", "start_time": "38:08", "text": "Rome is a successor state of Greece." }, { "end_time": "38:12", "start_time": "38:10", "text": "So, essentially, it's Greece, Egypt, and Mesopotamia." }, { "end_time": "38:30", "start_time": "38:13", "text": "And they because the Greece is the white nation, so called supposedly white nation in this, that's why they put so much emphasis on Alexander and his conquests as an example of the greatness of the west, the vigor and the capabilities for conquest and greatness of the west." }, { "end_time": "38:36", "start_time": "38:30", "text": "So his atrocities are kind of not spoken about and the conquests are spoken about." }, { "end_time": "38:45", "start_time": "38:36", "text": "The cruelty that it demonstrated in crucifying tens of thousands of people and burning entire villages alive when he comes to westwards of Persia and tries to conquer India." }, { "end_time": "38:47", "start_time": "38:46", "text": "All of that is not spoken about." }, { "end_time": "38:50", "start_time": "38:47", "text": "His drunkenness and debauchery is not spoken about." }, { "end_time": "38:52", "start_time": "38:50", "text": "He dies at the age of 32 or 33." }, { "end_time": "38:52", "start_time": "38:52", "text": "Of what?" }, { "end_time": "38:58", "start_time": "38:52", "text": "Either of wounds he received in India or of cirrhosis of the liver?" }, { "end_time": "39:01", "start_time": "38:59", "text": "One of these 2 are the causes of his death." }, { "end_time": "39:04", "start_time": "39:01", "text": "The west would like us to believe that he died of drinking too much." }, { "end_time": "39:11", "start_time": "39:05", "text": "So his negative qualities aren't spoken about, but the the conquests are an example of the greatness of the west." }, { "end_time": "39:20", "start_time": "39:11", "text": "And that's why there is so much emphasis on Alexander in the history that we are taught, including in India because our history is essentially a copy of what they teach in the west." }, { "end_time": "39:26", "start_time": "39:20", "text": "And we are taught to glorify the west and our conquerors, who conquered and occupied India and destroy India, like the British." }, { "end_time": "39:29", "start_time": "39:26", "text": "We are taught that the British did such such so many great things for India." }, { "end_time": "39:34", "start_time": "39:29", "text": "So all of that is a continuation of this, and that's why Alexander is glorified so much in the west." }, { "end_time": "39:39", "start_time": "39:34", "text": "You know, I think most people have heard about the word sikander Yes." }, { "end_time": "39:39", "start_time": "39:39", "text": "Alexander." }, { "end_time": "39:40", "start_time": "39:40", "text": "Alexandria." }, { "end_time": "39:46", "start_time": "39:43", "text": "Very few people would have even heard the name Xerxes." }, { "end_time": "39:47", "start_time": "39:47", "text": "Shayarsha." }, { "end_time": "39:55", "start_time": "39:48", "text": "They some people may have heard the word, Xerxes, but the real name was Shayarsha, and no one knows that." }, { "end_time": "39:58", "start_time": "39:56", "text": "The whole history of this Persian empire has been lost." }, { "end_time": "39:58", "start_time": "39:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "40:03", "start_time": "39:58", "text": "Like, probably the only people I've heard speaking with Persian empire are the Parsi friends I have." }, { "end_time": "40:03", "start_time": "40:03", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "40:04", "start_time": "40:03", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "40:07", "start_time": "40:04", "text": "And that's a very small part of even the Indian population." }, { "end_time": "40:09", "start_time": "40:07", "text": "A very minuscule part of India." }, { "end_time": "40:12", "start_time": "40:09", "text": "Kind of makes me wonder how many historical legends are just lost." }, { "end_time": "40:13", "start_time": "40:12", "text": "Oh, I'm sure there are lots that are lost." }, { "end_time": "40:13", "start_time": "40:13", "text": "Native American history, they had tremendous culture." }, { "end_time": "40:16", "start_time": "40:13", "text": "They had huge kingdoms and empires, massive metropolitan areas." }, { "end_time": "40:17", "start_time": "40:16", "text": "Africa had these things." }, { "end_time": "40:19", "start_time": "40:17", "text": "Everything is gone, perhaps forever." }, { "end_time": "40:37", "start_time": "40:27", "text": "To make Indian viewers understand the depth of this, it's as if the African Mahabharata or the Persian Ramayana has been lost forever." }, { "end_time": "40:38", "start_time": "40:37", "text": "No one even knows that it happened." }, { "end_time": "40:39", "start_time": "40:38", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "40:42", "start_time": "40:39", "text": "And maybe one day even history about Alexander might be lost." }, { "end_time": "40:42", "start_time": "40:42", "text": "You never know." }, { "end_time": "40:43", "start_time": "40:42", "text": "You never know what's gonna be lost." }, { "end_time": "40:44", "start_time": "40:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "40:46", "start_time": "40:44", "text": "Because the truth about history is that we don't know what we don't know." }, { "end_time": "40:47", "start_time": "40:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "40:49", "start_time": "40:47", "text": "But coming back to the story." }, { "end_time": "40:50", "start_time": "40:49", "text": "So he conquers Persia." }, { "end_time": "40:50", "start_time": "40:50", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "40:52", "start_time": "40:50", "text": "He burns Parsippur, Persepolis." }, { "end_time": "40:53", "start_time": "40:52", "text": "Eventually, Darius dies." }, { "end_time": "40:57", "start_time": "40:53", "text": "He's betrayed by his own general, and the general is tortured to death." }, { "end_time": "41:05", "start_time": "40:57", "text": "And then, Alexander takes all the wealth of Persia, so much wealth that he he gets, and much of it is sent back to Greece." }, { "end_time": "41:08", "start_time": "41:05", "text": "Much of that is sent back to his own mother as gifts." }, { "end_time": "41:11", "start_time": "41:08", "text": "And his mother has this constant correspondence with with Alexander." }, { "end_time": "41:22", "start_time": "41:11", "text": "She keeps sending him writing letters to him, criticizing his actions to some extent, ask and and exhorting him to strive for more greatness and all that and so on." }, { "end_time": "41:25", "start_time": "41:22", "text": "So that's so that's the Persian chapter of Alexander." }, { "end_time": "41:29", "start_time": "41:25", "text": "But his his desire for glory and conquest is not satisfied." }, { "end_time": "41:31", "start_time": "41:29", "text": "He wants to now explore the unknown frontier." }, { "end_time": "41:33", "start_time": "41:32", "text": "The Greeks had never explored India." }, { "end_time": "41:35", "start_time": "41:33", "text": "So he says, let's conquer India." }, { "end_time": "41:46", "start_time": "41:35", "text": "So that's how he crosses the he he reaches all the way to the Indus and over there he and and further east, there is the river they call the Hydaspes, which either the Sutlej or the Ravi." }, { "end_time": "41:47", "start_time": "41:46", "text": "I don't remember which it is." }, { "end_time": "41:49", "start_time": "41:47", "text": "The readers can certainly look it up." }, { "end_time": "41:51", "start_time": "41:49", "text": "The Greeks called it the hide the hide the hide the hide the hide the hide the space." }, { "end_time": "41:51", "start_time": "41:51", "text": "Hideapses." }, { "end_time": "42:01", "start_time": "41:52", "text": "So over there, there was a small border governor go border chieftain, like a district level sarpansh whose name the Greeks called Poros." }, { "end_time": "42:02", "start_time": "42:01", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "42:04", "start_time": "42:02", "text": "He had about, I don't know, 500 elephants." }, { "end_time": "42:08", "start_time": "42:05", "text": "So he's a he's a reasonably strong king, and the Greeks fight this guy." }, { "end_time": "42:11", "start_time": "42:08", "text": "So they have destroyed everything in their path." }, { "end_time": "42:13", "start_time": "42:12", "text": "They have conquered Egypt." }, { "end_time": "42:14", "start_time": "42:13", "text": "They have conquered Mesopotamia." }, { "end_time": "42:18", "start_time": "42:15", "text": "The the line between the rivers as Euphrates and Tigris." }, { "end_time": "42:21", "start_time": "42:18", "text": "They have destroyed the Persian empire." }, { "end_time": "42:23", "start_time": "42:21", "text": "And now they are coming into India." }, { "end_time": "42:27", "start_time": "42:23", "text": "They find this this king with 500 horse 5 500 elephants." }, { "end_time": "42:28", "start_time": "42:27", "text": "They fight him." }, { "end_time": "42:30", "start_time": "42:29", "text": "Apparently, they defeat him." }, { "end_time": "42:37", "start_time": "42:30", "text": "And, Alexander is so impressed by the valor of this guy called Porus that he offers him the governorship of this region." }, { "end_time": "42:48", "start_time": "42:38", "text": "But while coming to this region, he goes across Gandhar, where he finds a lot of opposition in the villages and he has entire villages burnt alive and people burned alive." }, { "end_time": "42:56", "start_time": "42:48", "text": "That is something nobody speaks about today, but look up the account of the Greek historians of that time." }, { "end_time": "42:59", "start_time": "42:56", "text": "Not from Alexander's time, but a a 100 or so years after him." }, { "end_time": "43:01", "start_time": "42:59", "text": "That's the first accounts we have of Alexander's history." }, { "end_time": "43:02", "start_time": "43:01", "text": "Those first accounts." }, { "end_time": "43:06", "start_time": "43:03", "text": "So in that, the the cruelty is is unwarnished." }, { "end_time": "43:12", "start_time": "43:06", "text": "What he did, he had entire villages burned alive and people massacred and slaughtered and crucified and whatnot." }, { "end_time": "43:13", "start_time": "43:12", "text": "Extreme cruelty." }, { "end_time": "43:16", "start_time": "43:13", "text": "And then he finds the first opposition in in this guy Porus." }, { "end_time": "43:21", "start_time": "43:16", "text": "And apparently, he defeats Porus, but then the defeat is so calamitous." }, { "end_time": "43:26", "start_time": "43:22", "text": "I mean, the battle is so calamitous that his own horse, Bucephalus, dies in that." }, { "end_time": "43:30", "start_time": "43:26", "text": "His beloved cherished horse dies in this battle." }, { "end_time": "43:39", "start_time": "43:30", "text": "And his soldiers are so exhausted and so frightened that we fought a small border chieftain of India and this is what happened to us." }, { "end_time": "43:40", "start_time": "43:39", "text": "We almost lost." }, { "end_time": "43:50", "start_time": "43:41", "text": "And across the Indus river, there is the empire of Mahapad Mananda, who's got 50,000 war elephants and who have weapons that we have we cannot even imagine." }, { "end_time": "43:52", "start_time": "43:50", "text": "So we don't want to cross the river." }, { "end_time": "43:55", "start_time": "43:52", "text": "So his soldiers mutiny and they force him to go back." }, { "end_time": "44:05", "start_time": "43:56", "text": "So he goes back to Babylon where he drinks a lot and apparently after one drinking session, he falls sick and from that he never recovers and he dies." }, { "end_time": "44:11", "start_time": "44:06", "text": "And as soon as Alexander dies, all his governors he had placed in various parts of the world, they fight each other." }, { "end_time": "44:15", "start_time": "44:11", "text": "Because now the great king is gone and we can become kings in our own right." }, { "end_time": "44:21", "start_time": "44:15", "text": "And that's how the Indo Greek kingdom is formed with all these little kings like Millin, the Menander, and all." }, { "end_time": "44:24", "start_time": "44:21", "text": "But over a century and a half, they all become Indianized." }, { "end_time": "44:25", "start_time": "44:24", "text": "They marry Indian wives and all." }, { "end_time": "44:33", "start_time": "44:26", "text": "And today, lots of people from Northern Western India will have a little bit of 1 person, 2 person Greek blood, but nobody will know about it." }, { "end_time": "44:36", "start_time": "44:33", "text": "So the Greeks all assimilate into into Indian society eventually." }, { "end_time": "44:37", "start_time": "44:36", "text": "They become Indianized." }, { "end_time": "44:43", "start_time": "44:38", "text": "So that is, to make a long story short, Alexander reaches all the way to the Saptasindur region." }, { "end_time": "44:43", "start_time": "44:43", "text": "Pakistan." }, { "end_time": "44:45", "start_time": "44:44", "text": "Present day Pakistan, more or less." }, { "end_time": "44:58", "start_time": "44:45", "text": "And there that's where so according to the great Russian admiral admiral Zhukov, the battle of the Hydaspis Hydapsis was a defeat for the Greeks." }, { "end_time": "45:02", "start_time": "44:58", "text": "But their writers obviously will not say will not put it that way." }, { "end_time": "45:04", "start_time": "45:02", "text": "That's why they say that he actually won the battle." }, { "end_time": "45:08", "start_time": "45:04", "text": "And then because of his soldiers, the pressure they exerted, he chose to go back to Babylon." }, { "end_time": "45:09", "start_time": "45:08", "text": "And that's where he died." }, { "end_time": "45:12", "start_time": "45:09", "text": "But whichever way you look at it, it was a disastrous campaign." }, { "end_time": "45:15", "start_time": "45:12", "text": "He wanted to conquer India, but it did not happen." }, { "end_time": "45:22", "start_time": "45:15", "text": "And his soldiers knew that you take one step across the river, you're inviting a foe who you cannot imagine." }, { "end_time": "45:27", "start_time": "45:22", "text": "It is way dang more dangerous than the Persians, and we will not come back alive from that." }, { "end_time": "45:28", "start_time": "45:27", "text": "So that's why that's what happens." }, { "end_time": "45:30", "start_time": "45:28", "text": "He goes back to to Babylon." }, { "end_time": "45:31", "start_time": "45:30", "text": "He dies there." }, { "end_time": "45:34", "start_time": "45:31", "text": "His generals and and governors all fight each other." }, { "end_time": "45:38", "start_time": "45:34", "text": "There is the battle there is the war of the deidoki of the governors." }, { "end_time": "45:41", "start_time": "45:38", "text": "And one man comes out on top, Seleucus Nicator." }, { "end_time": "45:47", "start_time": "45:41", "text": "And he then comes and comes back to the border of India and he finds that the emperor empire of Mahapad Mananda is gone." }, { "end_time": "45:50", "start_time": "45:48", "text": "And there's a new regime in India." }, { "end_time": "45:53", "start_time": "45:50", "text": "The regime of Chandragupta Maurya and Vishnagupta Chanakya." }, { "end_time": "45:59", "start_time": "45:53", "text": "And there is a small 1 year war between India and the and the Greek Greeks of Seleucus Nicator." }, { "end_time": "46:09", "start_time": "45:59", "text": "And then there is an agreement, a peace treaty between India and Greece, and the Greeks returned the whole of Afghanistan, present day Afghanistan, Gandhar to India." }, { "end_time": "46:16", "start_time": "46:09", "text": "And the peace treaty is sealed, solemnized by the marriage of emperor Chandragupta with the daughter of Seleucus." }, { "end_time": "46:28", "start_time": "46:17", "text": "And in as a dowry or as as a as an exchange thing, whatever, the Indian emperor gave Seleucus declared 500 war elephants with which he calls out a huge empire in Western Asia." }, { "end_time": "46:36", "start_time": "46:29", "text": "And after Seleucus dies and after, Chandragupta dies, their sons maintain the same relationship." }, { "end_time": "46:38", "start_time": "46:36", "text": "So there was a first peace treaty between India and Greece." }, { "end_time": "46:40", "start_time": "46:38", "text": "That's how old India Greece relations are." }, { "end_time": "46:44", "start_time": "46:41", "text": "And that's the story of Alexander in a in a in a very brief nutshell." }, { "end_time": "46:50", "start_time": "46:45", "text": "I wonder who the son of, Chandigupta Maurya and his Greek wife was." }, { "end_time": "46:51", "start_time": "46:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:51", "start_time": "46:51", "text": "We don't know." }, { "end_time": "46:54", "start_time": "46:51", "text": "That that part of history is is kind of lost." }, { "end_time": "46:55", "start_time": "46:54", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "46:58", "start_time": "46:55", "text": "Chandigupta Maurya was also based out of modernly Bihar." }, { "end_time": "46:59", "start_time": "46:58", "text": "Patliputra." }, { "end_time": "47:00", "start_time": "46:59", "text": "Present day Patna." }, { "end_time": "47:05", "start_time": "47:01", "text": "Do you think there could have been white people all over Bihar at one point?" }, { "end_time": "47:09", "start_time": "47:05", "text": "There was a Greek embassy in in in Patliputra during the time of Ashok." }, { "end_time": "47:17", "start_time": "47:09", "text": "And, yes, you had Greeks who were who had this kingdom in in Northwestern India, presently Afghanistan and some parts of Pakistan." }, { "end_time": "47:20", "start_time": "47:17", "text": "The Indo Greek Kingdom, they had there were several kings there." }, { "end_time": "47:27", "start_time": "47:20", "text": "And there was a there were they were all they had all become Indianized, which means they were all either Buddhists or Hindus." }, { "end_time": "47:35", "start_time": "47:27", "text": "And they had pilgrims all the way to to Kashi, Varanasi, all the way to, Sarnath, all the way to Patliputra." }, { "end_time": "47:38", "start_time": "47:36", "text": "They even built temples and monasteries, the Greeks." }, { "end_time": "47:40", "start_time": "47:39", "text": "Some of those those are recorded." }, { "end_time": "47:46", "start_time": "47:40", "text": "So, yes, there was a definite interaction and and exchange of populations and and whatnot." }, { "end_time": "47:48", "start_time": "47:46", "text": "I wonder what they brought to India." }, { "end_time": "47:52", "start_time": "47:50", "text": "What they brought to India was a little bit of Greek genetics." }, { "end_time": "47:53", "start_time": "47:52", "text": "That's it." }, { "end_time": "47:55", "start_time": "47:53", "text": "No other contribution apart from that." }, { "end_time": "47:55", "start_time": "47:55", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "48:00", "start_time": "47:55", "text": "Some of the art, the the Gandhara art is is strongly influenced by Greek art." }, { "end_time": "48:02", "start_time": "48:01", "text": "So that is there." }, { "end_time": "48:08", "start_time": "48:02", "text": "If you see the Gandhara Buddhist art, you can see Lord Buddha Gautam Buddha who looks more western than Indian." }, { "end_time": "48:11", "start_time": "48:09", "text": "I mean, lot Gautam Buddha has lots of depictions." }, { "end_time": "48:14", "start_time": "48:11", "text": "In Japan, he looks Japanese and China, he looks Chinese." }, { "end_time": "48:17", "start_time": "48:14", "text": "In India, he looks who he the way he really was." }, { "end_time": "48:19", "start_time": "48:17", "text": "And in Ghanda, he looks kind of Greek." }, { "end_time": "48:24", "start_time": "48:19", "text": "Because it was the Greek artists who depicted him with Greek features." }, { "end_time": "48:26", "start_time": "48:24", "text": "So Gandhara art so that's one thing the Greeks brought to India." }, { "end_time": "48:29", "start_time": "48:26", "text": "Apart from that, no long lasting influence." }, { "end_time": "48:33", "start_time": "48:31", "text": "Do you think it's now time to talk about Genghis Khan?" }, { "end_time": "48:43", "start_time": "48:33", "text": "Another great conqueror, an even greater conqueror than than, Alexander who also has a similar connection with India, but a different kind of connection with India." }, { "end_time": "48:43", "start_time": "48:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:45", "start_time": "48:43", "text": "Let's talk about Genghis Khan." }, { "end_time": "48:50", "start_time": "48:46", "text": "All I know is that his international conquest began at age 40." }, { "end_time": "48:51", "start_time": "48:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:58", "start_time": "48:51", "text": "So pre age 40, he was a warlord in Mongolia because Mongolia was a bunch of warring tribes just at it with each other." }, { "end_time": "49:00", "start_time": "48:58", "text": "Feel free to begin the story wherever you wish." }, { "end_time": "49:01", "start_time": "49:01", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:07", "start_time": "49:01", "text": "So just to put a caveat on that, his his international conquest be begin in his late forties." }, { "end_time": "49:08", "start_time": "49:07", "text": "Imagine that." }, { "end_time": "49:10", "start_time": "49:08", "text": "Late forties, you begin your international career." }, { "end_time": "49:12", "start_time": "49:10", "text": "Before that, you're just struggling domestically." }, { "end_time": "49:14", "start_time": "49:12", "text": "That's the kind of guy he was." }, { "end_time": "49:21", "start_time": "49:14", "text": "So Chinggis, Sri Chinggis Khan, he was born in the year probably 1 162 AD." }, { "end_time": "49:25", "start_time": "49:22", "text": "And he was alive at the same time that Prithviraj Chauhan was alive in India." }, { "end_time": "49:27", "start_time": "49:26", "text": "They were contemporaries." }, { "end_time": "49:29", "start_time": "49:28", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "49:33", "start_time": "49:29", "text": "So that's the first way to orient ourselves as Indians." }, { "end_time": "49:43", "start_time": "49:33", "text": "That that at the time that, Prithviraj Johan was alive in India, Genghis Khan was alive, or he had been born, or at least he was alive at some for some period of time in Mongolia." }, { "end_time": "49:49", "start_time": "49:43", "text": "So Mongolia is this very interior part of Asia with an extremely harsh climate." }, { "end_time": "49:51", "start_time": "49:49", "text": "Very extreme, very cold climate." }, { "end_time": "49:54", "start_time": "49:51", "text": "The temperature can go to minus 30, minus 40 in winter." }, { "end_time": "50:00", "start_time": "49:54", "text": "And Chinggis Khan was the son of a small chieftain of the Borjigin tribe in Mongolia." }, { "end_time": "50:04", "start_time": "50:00", "text": "You like you mentioned, Mongolia at that time was not a kingdom or a nation." }, { "end_time": "50:16", "start_time": "50:04", "text": "It was just a a this big piece of real estate in the deep, interior of Asia, where you had these small small tribes who fought each other for scraps." }, { "end_time": "50:17", "start_time": "50:16", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "50:22", "start_time": "50:17", "text": "Very harsh climate, very bad conditions, very little resources available, food or whatever." }, { "end_time": "50:29", "start_time": "50:22", "text": "Huge territory, almost empty, the steppe region, and you had to fight each other for small scraps." }, { "end_time": "50:39", "start_time": "50:29", "text": "And this in inter this infighting among the Mongolian tribes was, you can say, encouraged by the kingdom to the south, which is the Tangut Kingdom of China." }, { "end_time": "50:41", "start_time": "50:39", "text": "At that time, there were 3 kingdoms in China." }, { "end_time": "50:43", "start_time": "50:42", "text": "At least 3." }, { "end_time": "50:46", "start_time": "50:43", "text": "You had the Tanguts, which is the Xi Xia, the Western Jia Kingdom." }, { "end_time": "50:47", "start_time": "50:46", "text": "You had the Song dynasty." }, { "end_time": "50:54", "start_time": "50:48", "text": "You also had the, the the the the Manchurian king the there's a kingdom in Manchuria and so on." }, { "end_time": "50:58", "start_time": "50:54", "text": "There was also, present day East Turkestan or present day Sinyang." }, { "end_time": "51:00", "start_time": "50:58", "text": "You had the Uyghurs who ruled there." }, { "end_time": "51:06", "start_time": "51:00", "text": "And further north from Mongolia, you had the Tatars, who are Turkic people closely related to the Mongols." }, { "end_time": "51:16", "start_time": "51:06", "text": "And all this infighting between the Mongols and between the Mongols and the Tatars was kind of engineered by the Chinese, by the Shia, by the by the Western Shia, dynasty in China." }, { "end_time": "51:23", "start_time": "51:17", "text": "So Genghis Khan is born 1 162 AD in on the banks of the Orkon river in Mongolia." }, { "end_time": "51:27", "start_time": "51:23", "text": "And his father is a small chieftain of the Borjigin tribe, the blue wolves tribe." }, { "end_time": "51:36", "start_time": "51:28", "text": "And when Chinggis Khan is about 10, 12 years old, his father dies, long to make a very long story short, and his family is expelled from the tribe." }, { "end_time": "51:38", "start_time": "51:37", "text": "Because his father had 2 wives." }, { "end_time": "51:46", "start_time": "51:39", "text": "There is, Chinggis Khan's mother, Hoi Lun, and there was another lady who was married to his father before his mother." }, { "end_time": "51:51", "start_time": "51:46", "text": "And there were 5 children, including 2 half brothers of Genghis Khan." }, { "end_time": "51:55", "start_time": "51:51", "text": "So 7 people were there who were dependent on one man, the the chief, but he dies." }, { "end_time": "51:59", "start_time": "51:55", "text": "Now who will support the 7 people in this harsh climate, in this very harsh environment?" }, { "end_time": "52:03", "start_time": "52:00", "text": "So this family was thrown out of the tribe and they were left for dead." }, { "end_time": "52:08", "start_time": "52:03", "text": "And over there, you are 7 people on your own in the winter, you are guaranteed to die." }, { "end_time": "52:17", "start_time": "52:08", "text": "But they did not die because of the industriousness and the resourcefulness of the mother of Chinggis Khan, who somehow ensured that the family somehow stays alive." }, { "end_time": "52:25", "start_time": "52:18", "text": "And there is a period of time in which Chinggis Khan is enslaved by another tribe for maybe a winter, maybe 7, 8 years." }, { "end_time": "52:27", "start_time": "52:25", "text": "We don't know exactly how long it was." }, { "end_time": "52:31", "start_time": "52:27", "text": "It was a very very harsh childhood that he went through." }, { "end_time": "52:37", "start_time": "52:31", "text": "He even had to kill his own half brother for some scraps of food because his half brother was taking all the food and starving the rest of the family." }, { "end_time": "52:42", "start_time": "52:37", "text": "So all of this happens, and then eventually, Genghis Khan somehow survives childhood." }, { "end_time": "52:43", "start_time": "52:42", "text": "He becomes a young adult." }, { "end_time": "52:45", "start_time": "52:43", "text": "He has an an ally." }, { "end_time": "53:05", "start_time": "52:45", "text": "His name was Jamukha, I believe, who is his blood brother, and then he becomes the Vasal of one of the major tribes, the the tribe I forget the name of the tribe, but the king the the the Khan's name was Ong Khan, and his wife and then he he has he has a wife whose name is Borte, who there was an arranged marriage." }, { "end_time": "53:12", "start_time": "53:05", "text": "So he has his wife, but then the wife is kidnapped by another tribe, which is his mother's tribe, In retaliation for his mother's kidnapping by his father." }, { "end_time": "53:13", "start_time": "53:12", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "53:14", "start_time": "53:13", "text": "All these things are there." }, { "end_time": "53:18", "start_time": "53:14", "text": "So his wife is kidnapped for a period of, like, a few months." }, { "end_time": "53:23", "start_time": "53:18", "text": "He takes the help of his overlord, Ong Khan, to get his wife back." }, { "end_time": "53:27", "start_time": "53:23", "text": "By the time his wife comes back, she's pregnant, and he doesn't know who's the father." }, { "end_time": "53:32", "start_time": "53:27", "text": "So his first son until today, there is a question mark on his paternity." }, { "end_time": "53:34", "start_time": "53:32", "text": "His first son's name was Jocchi." }, { "end_time": "53:39", "start_time": "53:34", "text": "So even today, we no one knows whether it was Genghis Khan son or the son of a rapist." }, { "end_time": "53:39", "start_time": "53:39", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "53:40", "start_time": "53:39", "text": "That's how it is." }, { "end_time": "53:44", "start_time": "53:41", "text": "Then Genghis Khan, over time, he is very ambitious." }, { "end_time": "53:46", "start_time": "53:44", "text": "He starts building his own following." }, { "end_time": "53:54", "start_time": "53:46", "text": "Then he defeats he fights every single Mongolian tribe, and instead of exterminating them, he brings them under his under his umbrella." }, { "end_time": "54:05", "start_time": "53:55", "text": "And by the time he's in his mid forties to late forties, he has defeated every single Mongolian type tribe, and he becomes the supreme Khan, the Chinggis Khan, the the oceanic Khan." }, { "end_time": "54:22", "start_time": "54:06", "text": "Then the then what happens is that he decides as a mark of the unification of the nation to strike back at the old enemy who for centuries had persecuted the Mongolian tribes and made them fight each other, which is the Chinese, the Shia kingdom of China." }, { "end_time": "54:30", "start_time": "54:22", "text": "So he goes south, he crosses the great, Gobi desert, and he goes and smashes the Shia." }, { "end_time": "54:32", "start_time": "54:30", "text": "And that consolidates." }, { "end_time": "54:42", "start_time": "54:32", "text": "It it solidifies and and, solemnizes his authority to rule the Mongolian nation, because he's able to defeat the Shia empire in China." }, { "end_time": "54:48", "start_time": "54:43", "text": "So he does that and then he defeats so this was in retaliation for centuries of atrocities." }, { "end_time": "55:01", "start_time": "54:48", "text": "He unlike Alexander who was a robber on a grand scale, Genghis Khan did this to teach the Chinese a lesson and to pay them back in kind for what they had been doing for centuries against the Mongols." }, { "end_time": "55:05", "start_time": "55:01", "text": "And of course, he got a lot of wealth out of it, but he did not keep any of that wealth." }, { "end_time": "55:07", "start_time": "55:05", "text": "He put that back into circulation in Mongolia." }, { "end_time": "55:08", "start_time": "55:08", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "55:13", "start_time": "55:08", "text": "Let's pause it a little bit because we spoke with Alexander the Great in the first half of the episode." }, { "end_time": "55:18", "start_time": "55:14", "text": "Specifically in terms of expansion, you have to be really good at war." }, { "end_time": "55:19", "start_time": "55:18", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "55:21", "start_time": "55:19", "text": "And to be really good at war, you need an edge." }, { "end_time": "55:23", "start_time": "55:22", "text": "Good question." }, { "end_time": "55:27", "start_time": "55:24", "text": "I believe that Alexander's edge was strategy." }, { "end_time": "55:28", "start_time": "55:27", "text": "That's what I've understood." }, { "end_time": "55:30", "start_time": "55:28", "text": "Like, very good strategy against the Persians." }, { "end_time": "55:31", "start_time": "55:30", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "55:32", "start_time": "55:31", "text": "And I think, cavalry." }, { "end_time": "55:33", "start_time": "55:33", "text": "Cavalry." }, { "end_time": "55:36", "start_time": "55:34", "text": "As in, warriors sitting on a horseback." }, { "end_time": "55:42", "start_time": "55:36", "text": "Cavalry and the Macedonian phalanx, which is a battle formation with a 1,000,000 spears that face the enemy." }, { "end_time": "55:45", "start_time": "55:42", "text": "Phalanx is like p h a l a n x, phalanx." }, { "end_time": "55:46", "start_time": "55:45", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "55:51", "start_time": "55:46", "text": "So it's a battle formation in which you had, like, 10 rank and 7 files." }, { "end_time": "55:54", "start_time": "55:51", "text": "700 soldiers, all with spears, all facing each other." }, { "end_time": "55:56", "start_time": "55:54", "text": "So the first row of spears is is horizontal." }, { "end_time": "56:00", "start_time": "55:57", "text": "The next one is slightly more vertical, more vertical, more vertical." }, { "end_time": "56:03", "start_time": "56:00", "text": "So you have 700 spheres spheres facing the enemy." }, { "end_time": "56:05", "start_time": "56:03", "text": "And no matter what you do, you're gonna be impaled." }, { "end_time": "56:05", "start_time": "56:05", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "56:08", "start_time": "56:05", "text": "Unless you have a superior strategy." }, { "end_time": "56:23", "start_time": "56:08", "text": "So the Macedonian phalanx was a great, it was one of the great, you could say the trump cards that Alexander had and his very mobile cavalry and very hard soldiers, very high quality soldiers." }, { "end_time": "56:35", "start_time": "56:23", "text": "When it comes to Genghis Khan, he when Genghis Khan was ruling Mongolia, the total population of the entire nation of Mongolia was 1,000,000." }, { "end_time": "56:37", "start_time": "56:37", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "56:43", "start_time": "56:38", "text": "And his army, out of that 1,000,000, most of them were half were women obviously, Significant portion was children." }, { "end_time": "56:46", "start_time": "56:43", "text": "The rest were animal herders and all that." }, { "end_time": "56:52", "start_time": "56:46", "text": "So the armed forces at maximum were 100,001 lakh strong." }, { "end_time": "56:55", "start_time": "56:53", "text": "They would fit inside the Narendra Modi stadium today." }, { "end_time": "57:01", "start_time": "56:56", "text": "The entire army that conquered half the known world could fit inside 1 Indian cricket stadium." }, { "end_time": "57:03", "start_time": "57:02", "text": "That's what he did." }, { "end_time": "57:05", "start_time": "57:03", "text": "So how did he achieve this?" }, { "end_time": "57:11", "start_time": "57:05", "text": "Iron discipline, people who lived in the Mongolian steppe, they had to have that hardiness and that discipline." }, { "end_time": "57:14", "start_time": "57:11", "text": "Otherwise, they would simply not survive childhood." }, { "end_time": "57:15", "start_time": "57:14", "text": "So that is that." }, { "end_time": "57:19", "start_time": "57:15", "text": "And then his his entire system of organization was very scientific." }, { "end_time": "57:23", "start_time": "57:19", "text": "You know, you had 10, then you had a 100, then you had 1,000, then you had 10,000." }, { "end_time": "57:29", "start_time": "57:23", "text": "So the biggest regimen was 10,000, and each of them had a general who was tried and tested and battle hardy." }, { "end_time": "57:34", "start_time": "57:29", "text": "There was a pure meritocracy and pure loyalty." }, { "end_time": "57:37", "start_time": "57:34", "text": "You had to be completely loyal to Chiges Khan." }, { "end_time": "57:41", "start_time": "57:37", "text": "If he says go and jump off this this cliff, should be willing to do that, and meritocracy." }, { "end_time": "57:43", "start_time": "57:41", "text": "You perform well, you'll be promoted." }, { "end_time": "57:44", "start_time": "57:43", "text": "You perform well, you'll be promoted." }, { "end_time": "57:47", "start_time": "57:44", "text": "It doesn't matter if you're related to him or not." }, { "end_time": "57:52", "start_time": "57:47", "text": "So you had this tremendous tactics, and they took weapons and strategies from wherever they could." }, { "end_time": "57:54", "start_time": "57:52", "text": "They copied Chinese armor." }, { "end_time": "57:57", "start_time": "57:55", "text": "They copied Chinese horse armor." }, { "end_time": "57:59", "start_time": "57:57", "text": "They copied Chinese weapons." }, { "end_time": "58:01", "start_time": "57:59", "text": "They learned siege warfare from the Chinese engineers." }, { "end_time": "58:04", "start_time": "58:02", "text": "They got gunpowder from the Chinese." }, { "end_time": "58:12", "start_time": "58:05", "text": "They copied so they they learned certain of war strategies from the Turks when they conquered Khwarazm, which I'll talk about later, and so on." }, { "end_time": "58:22", "start_time": "58:12", "text": "So they had no real scientific or technological prowess of their own, but they were willing to absorb everything and anything from their enemies." }, { "end_time": "58:23", "start_time": "58:22", "text": "Hunger." }, { "end_time": "58:23", "start_time": "58:23", "text": "Hunger." }, { "end_time": "58:27", "start_time": "58:24", "text": "And they combined these things in the weirdest combinations." }, { "end_time": "58:30", "start_time": "58:28", "text": "They are the first to probably invent cannons." }, { "end_time": "58:31", "start_time": "58:30", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "58:34", "start_time": "58:31", "text": "And then cannons became the modern weapons that we have today." }, { "end_time": "58:40", "start_time": "58:34", "text": "They had tremendous, you know, they could they could move at lightning speed." }, { "end_time": "58:45", "start_time": "58:40", "text": "They invented the 1st intercontinental postal system, the Mongols." }, { "end_time": "58:52", "start_time": "58:46", "text": "They invented the world's they made Genghis Khan made the world's largest free trade zone." }, { "end_time": "58:57", "start_time": "58:52", "text": "Even today, one of the biggest trade zone free trade zones is the European Union, where you have free trade." }, { "end_time": "59:01", "start_time": "58:57", "text": "No no tariffs, no taxes for going from one place to another." }, { "end_time": "59:02", "start_time": "59:01", "text": "In India, you had Octroy." }, { "end_time": "59:08", "start_time": "59:02", "text": "From one city to another, if you were to try to transport goods, you had to pay a tax at the at the entrance of every city." }, { "end_time": "59:14", "start_time": "59:09", "text": "The Mongol empire under Chinggis Khan created the world's largest free trade zone in human history." }, { "end_time": "59:20", "start_time": "59:15", "text": "So so many innovations were brought in by Genghis Khan, but the military innovations were the best." }, { "end_time": "59:25", "start_time": "59:20", "text": "And he understood the role of momentum and energy in warfare." }, { "end_time": "59:31", "start_time": "59:25", "text": "They had these formations, you know, the 2 horns formation in which your horses would charge and envelope the the other army." }, { "end_time": "59:40", "start_time": "59:32", "text": "And he had these generals like Subodai, the valiant, who could coordinate armies over 100 of kilometers if not 1000 of kilometers at the same time." }, { "end_time": "59:43", "start_time": "59:40", "text": "They could do it in those days without having modern telecommunications." }, { "end_time": "59:50", "start_time": "59:44", "text": "So incredible leaps of of imagination, incredible technological and logistical achievements." }, { "end_time": "59:53", "start_time": "59:51", "text": "And that's how they were able to conquer half the known world." }, { "end_time": "1:00:07", "start_time": "59:53", "text": "So by the time Chinggis Khan died, just to go back, we'll come back over here, his empire con contained much of China, the whole of Iran, much of central Asia, and all the way west, until the borders of Europe." }, { "end_time": "1:00:10", "start_time": "1:00:07", "text": "And after he died, his his descendants continued the same thing." }, { "end_time": "1:00:18", "start_time": "1:00:10", "text": "Over time, the Mongolian empire from was from the banks of the Mediterranean sea all the way to the banks of the Pacific ocean." }, { "end_time": "1:00:18", "start_time": "1:00:18", "text": "Enormous." }, { "end_time": "1:00:19", "start_time": "1:00:19", "text": "Enormous." }, { "end_time": "1:00:26", "start_time": "1:00:20", "text": "So Chinggis Khan, just one man, conquered more territory in 20 years than Roman emperors conquered in 400 years." }, { "end_time": "1:00:29", "start_time": "1:00:27", "text": "That's the kind of achievements he had." }, { "end_time": "1:00:33", "start_time": "1:00:29", "text": "And he always fought a just war." }, { "end_time": "1:00:38", "start_time": "1:00:33", "text": "He did not fight to conquer and to and to loot and to pillage and plunder and rob like Alexander did." }, { "end_time": "1:00:42", "start_time": "1:00:38", "text": "Alexander was driven by this need for personal glory." }, { "end_time": "1:00:43", "start_time": "1:00:42", "text": "Daddy issues." }, { "end_time": "1:00:43", "start_time": "1:00:43", "text": "Daddy issues." }, { "end_time": "1:00:44", "start_time": "1:00:43", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "1:00:47", "start_time": "1:00:44", "text": "He always even after his father was dead, he used to make fun of his father." }, { "end_time": "1:00:51", "start_time": "1:00:47", "text": "Let's see what I've done and see what what it is it is in comparison with with with what my father did." }, { "end_time": "1:00:53", "start_time": "1:00:51", "text": "He used to always disparage his father's achievements." }, { "end_time": "1:00:57", "start_time": "1:00:54", "text": "So he had daddy issues, big huge unresolved daddy issues." }, { "end_time": "1:01:05", "start_time": "1:00:57", "text": "His his his entire motivation was this desire for personal glory, personal, and and wealth and plunder." }, { "end_time": "1:01:09", "start_time": "1:01:05", "text": "He Darius had done nothing to Alexander or to Greece." }, { "end_time": "1:01:13", "start_time": "1:01:09", "text": "Neither had had Egypt, neither had India, but he just wanted to conquer for the sake of conquering." }, { "end_time": "1:01:18", "start_time": "1:01:14", "text": "Chinggis Khan was driven by a desire for justice and a desire for retaliation." }, { "end_time": "1:01:26", "start_time": "1:01:19", "text": "So whether whether it is China, whether it is Qara Khitai, which he conquered, which is like at that time it was kind of north of India, north of Ladakh." }, { "end_time": "1:01:28", "start_time": "1:01:26", "text": "There was a small kingdom called Qara Khitai." }, { "end_time": "1:01:29", "start_time": "1:01:28", "text": "Tibet?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:33", "start_time": "1:01:30", "text": "The Uyghur region and up some some part of Tibet." }, { "end_time": "1:01:36", "start_time": "1:01:33", "text": "It was a Turkic or you could say Tangut kind of kingdom." }, { "end_time": "1:01:44", "start_time": "1:01:36", "text": "And they they they had killed one of his daughter's husbands, which is a not a very smart thing to do." }, { "end_time": "1:01:48", "start_time": "1:01:44", "text": "So that in retaliation, he conquers Karakita and annihilates that." }, { "end_time": "1:01:51", "start_time": "1:01:48", "text": "And then he had sent a trade delegation to Khwarazm." }, { "end_time": "1:01:56", "start_time": "1:01:52", "text": "So Khwarazm is present day Turk menistan and Iran put together and some of the other stans put together." }, { "end_time": "1:01:57", "start_time": "1:01:56", "text": "And it was ruled by Turks." }, { "end_time": "1:01:59", "start_time": "1:01:57", "text": "It was not ruled by Persians." }, { "end_time": "1:02:12", "start_time": "1:01:59", "text": "So the Persians of that time, they saw their king, the Shah of Khwarazm, just the way we saw someone like Aurangzeb, the Indians." }, { "end_time": "1:02:14", "start_time": "1:02:12", "text": "We did not see Aurangzeb as our guy." }, { "end_time": "1:02:15", "start_time": "1:02:14", "text": "He he was an oppressor." }, { "end_time": "1:02:16", "start_time": "1:02:16", "text": "He was an occupier." }, { "end_time": "1:02:24", "start_time": "1:02:17", "text": "Similarly, the Iranians, the Persians, they saw the Shah of Khwarazm, Shah Mahmood or whatever his name was as a Turk, as a foreigner." }, { "end_time": "1:02:27", "start_time": "1:02:25", "text": "So Genghis Khan had subdued China." }, { "end_time": "1:02:28", "start_time": "1:02:27", "text": "He had subdued Kalakhita." }, { "end_time": "1:02:29", "start_time": "1:02:28", "text": "Everything was peaceful." }, { "end_time": "1:02:31", "start_time": "1:02:29", "text": "Now he said, let us become traders." }, { "end_time": "1:02:37", "start_time": "1:02:32", "text": "We no longer have any enemies that can hurt us, so now let's engage in trade with the rest of the world." }, { "end_time": "1:02:44", "start_time": "1:02:37", "text": "So he sent a trade delegation to Khwarazm, to the city of, Uttarar Uttarar." }, { "end_time": "1:02:47", "start_time": "1:02:44", "text": "It was on the western on on the eastern borders of Khwarazm." }, { "end_time": "1:02:52", "start_time": "1:02:48", "text": "So he sends this trade delegation with all these trade goods and all to Uttara." }, { "end_time": "1:03:04", "start_time": "1:02:52", "text": "And the governor of Uttara, who was a cousin or something or a relative of the king of the shah, he simply confiscates all the goods and he murders the envoys of Genghis Khan." }, { "end_time": "1:03:07", "start_time": "1:03:04", "text": "So Genghis Khan eventually comes to know about what happened." }, { "end_time": "1:03:17", "start_time": "1:03:07", "text": "So he sends a diplomatic delegation to Khorasan, and he demands that this governor, in Alchuk, be handed over to Mongolia so that he can be brought to justice." }, { "end_time": "1:03:21", "start_time": "1:03:18", "text": "So once again, he tries to resort to diplomacy to solve this problem." }, { "end_time": "1:03:24", "start_time": "1:03:21", "text": "And those governors are shaved off and they're made bald." }, { "end_time": "1:03:28", "start_time": "1:03:24", "text": "And there were 3 go there were 3 ambassadors or 3 diplomats he had sent." }, { "end_time": "1:03:31", "start_time": "1:03:28", "text": "2 of them, their beards were shaved and their heads were shaved." }, { "end_time": "1:03:32", "start_time": "1:03:31", "text": "3rd one was Muslim." }, { "end_time": "1:03:33", "start_time": "1:03:32", "text": "He was beheaded." }, { "end_time": "1:03:37", "start_time": "1:03:34", "text": "So Genghis Khan tries trade, doesn't work." }, { "end_time": "1:03:39", "start_time": "1:03:37", "text": "He tries diplomacy, doesn't work." }, { "end_time": "1:03:40", "start_time": "1:03:39", "text": "He said, okay." }, { "end_time": "1:03:43", "start_time": "1:03:40", "text": "Is it if that's what you want, let's have it." }, { "end_time": "1:03:44", "start_time": "1:03:43", "text": "So he invades Khorasma." }, { "end_time": "1:03:47", "start_time": "1:03:45", "text": "He captures the city of Uttaraar." }, { "end_time": "1:03:49", "start_time": "1:03:47", "text": "Inalchuq is captured." }, { "end_time": "1:03:51", "start_time": "1:03:49", "text": "He says, I'll give you as much gold as you want." }, { "end_time": "1:03:55", "start_time": "1:03:51", "text": "The Chengis can't takes all this gold and silver, melts it, and has him drink it." }, { "end_time": "1:03:57", "start_time": "1:03:55", "text": "Have you seen Game of Thrones?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:59", "start_time": "1:03:57", "text": "That that one, that episode?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:02", "start_time": "1:03:59", "text": "Where they melt gold and pour it on one of the guys' heads." }, { "end_time": "1:04:02", "start_time": "1:04:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:04:05", "start_time": "1:04:02", "text": "He's the sis he's the brother of the Khaleesi, future Khaleesi." }, { "end_time": "1:04:06", "start_time": "1:04:05", "text": "Says, here's your crown." }, { "end_time": "1:04:07", "start_time": "1:04:06", "text": "Here's your crown." }, { "end_time": "1:04:12", "start_time": "1:04:07", "text": "So Inalchuq, it was inspired by what Genghis Khan did to Inalchuq, the governor of Utra." }, { "end_time": "1:04:13", "start_time": "1:04:12", "text": "But that was not all." }, { "end_time": "1:04:14", "start_time": "1:04:13", "text": "That was not enough." }, { "end_time": "1:04:20", "start_time": "1:04:14", "text": "The governor, he had requested the shah to hand over Inalchuq to him, but the shah also refused." }, { "end_time": "1:04:26", "start_time": "1:04:21", "text": "So Khwarazm, the conquest of Khwarazm begins with the conquest of Uttar." }, { "end_time": "1:04:29", "start_time": "1:04:26", "text": "The governor is made to drink molten gold and silver." }, { "end_time": "1:04:31", "start_time": "1:04:29", "text": "The city is smashed to pieces." }, { "end_time": "1:04:32", "start_time": "1:04:31", "text": "It is still in ruins today." }, { "end_time": "1:04:34", "start_time": "1:04:32", "text": "Then he takes Samarkand, he takes Bukhara." }, { "end_time": "1:04:37", "start_time": "1:04:35", "text": "Then the Shah of Khwarazm runs runs runs." }, { "end_time": "1:04:46", "start_time": "1:04:37", "text": "He runs all the way and he's pursued by Chinggis Khan's army and he takes refuge in one of the islands in the Caspian Sea where he dies of Plurisy." }, { "end_time": "1:04:53", "start_time": "1:04:46", "text": "But his son Jalaluddin escapes southwards with his entire family, with his mother and who whoever else." }, { "end_time": "1:04:56", "start_time": "1:04:53", "text": "So Genghis Khan then starts pursuing this guy, Jalaluddin." }, { "end_time": "1:04:59", "start_time": "1:04:57", "text": "And Jalaluddin comes south." }, { "end_time": "1:05:05", "start_time": "1:04:59", "text": "He crosses Gandhar and he comes to the banks of the Indus where Chinggis Khan catches up with him." }, { "end_time": "1:05:11", "start_time": "1:05:05", "text": "And then there is the great battle of the Indus, in which the army of Jalaluddin is destroyed and smashed to pieces." }, { "end_time": "1:05:15", "start_time": "1:05:11", "text": "And Jalaluddin abandons his family, his mother, his wife, his ladies." }, { "end_time": "1:05:20", "start_time": "1:05:15", "text": "He takes his horse and he jumps into the Sindhu river, Indus river, and he crosses the Indus and he enters India." }, { "end_time": "1:05:22", "start_time": "1:05:20", "text": "And Genghis Khan watches." }, { "end_time": "1:05:24", "start_time": "1:05:23", "text": "He says, let it be." }, { "end_time": "1:05:25", "start_time": "1:05:24", "text": "I've destroyed his army." }, { "end_time": "1:05:26", "start_time": "1:05:25", "text": "He's done." }, { "end_time": "1:05:27", "start_time": "1:05:26", "text": "He's no longer gonna be relevant." }, { "end_time": "1:05:33", "start_time": "1:05:28", "text": "And so Genghis Khan was exactly where Alexander was about 1500 years ago." }, { "end_time": "1:05:43", "start_time": "1:05:33", "text": "And he had the opportunity with his army with him to invade India, which at that time was the world's richest kingdom, civilization, empire, whatever you wanna call it." }, { "end_time": "1:05:46", "start_time": "1:05:43", "text": "Europe during Alexander's time was an impoverished land." }, { "end_time": "1:05:48", "start_time": "1:05:46", "text": "Persia and India were prosperous, rich." }, { "end_time": "1:05:51", "start_time": "1:05:48", "text": "During the time of Chinggis Khan, India was why did everybody invade India?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:55", "start_time": "1:05:51", "text": "The Turks, the Mongols, the Mughals told the Mongols, Mughals, and so on." }, { "end_time": "1:05:57", "start_time": "1:05:55", "text": "British, Europeans, they came for the riches." }, { "end_time": "1:06:02", "start_time": "1:05:58", "text": "Chiges Khan is there with the greatest army the world has ever seen." }, { "end_time": "1:06:07", "start_time": "1:06:03", "text": "And he he he only has to cross the Indus river and he can have all of India." }, { "end_time": "1:06:08", "start_time": "1:06:07", "text": "And he's gonna win." }, { "end_time": "1:06:09", "start_time": "1:06:08", "text": "He's that good." }, { "end_time": "1:06:19", "start_time": "1:06:09", "text": "At that time, Northern India was ruled by Iltutmish, who was one of the sultans of the small, Delhi Sultanate, whose daughter was Raziya Sultan, Iltutmish." }, { "end_time": "1:06:23", "start_time": "1:06:20", "text": "So Genghis Khan chose to go back." }, { "end_time": "1:06:24", "start_time": "1:06:23", "text": "He chose to turn around." }, { "end_time": "1:06:25", "start_time": "1:06:24", "text": "His job was done." }, { "end_time": "1:06:31", "start_time": "1:06:25", "text": "He had destroyed the army of Khwarazm, and he was not motivated by wealth or conquest or plunder." }, { "end_time": "1:06:33", "start_time": "1:06:31", "text": "He was motivated by justice." }, { "end_time": "1:06:38", "start_time": "1:06:34", "text": "And he brought whoever had wronged him and his people to justice." }, { "end_time": "1:06:45", "start_time": "1:06:38", "text": "So he spurned the opportunity, a once in a lifetime opportunity to cross the river Indus and conquer India." }, { "end_time": "1:06:50", "start_time": "1:06:45", "text": "He went back because the Chinese had rebelled against him, and he had come to know about that." }, { "end_time": "1:06:55", "start_time": "1:06:50", "text": "So then he goes back all the way to China and restarts the conquest of China." }, { "end_time": "1:06:57", "start_time": "1:06:55", "text": "He smashes Beijing." }, { "end_time": "1:06:59", "start_time": "1:06:57", "text": "He flattens Beijing." }, { "end_time": "1:07:00", "start_time": "1:06:59", "text": "Flattens it completely." }, { "end_time": "1:07:01", "start_time": "1:07:01", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:07:04", "start_time": "1:07:01", "text": "And there was this battle before that, before he reaches Beijing." }, { "end_time": "1:07:08", "start_time": "1:07:05", "text": "It is called the Battle of the Badger's Mouth Pass." }, { "end_time": "1:07:11", "start_time": "1:07:08", "text": "It's a place called Yehuling, north of Beijing." }, { "end_time": "1:07:16", "start_time": "1:07:11", "text": "And if you look at the map today, there are 2 hills between which you have to come if you want to reach Beijing." }, { "end_time": "1:07:19", "start_time": "1:07:16", "text": "Beijing, the northern part of Beijing is protected by these mountain ranges." }, { "end_time": "1:07:24", "start_time": "1:07:19", "text": "And there are these two hills between which the Chinese army had placed forts." }, { "end_time": "1:07:30", "start_time": "1:07:24", "text": "There's a river between them and that's where the big battle happened between the defenders of Beijing and the army of Chinggis Khan." }, { "end_time": "1:07:32", "start_time": "1:07:30", "text": "And the Chinese army was smashed to pieces over there." }, { "end_time": "1:07:37", "start_time": "1:07:32", "text": "And if you look at the map today, the satellite images, there is no reminder, there's no memorial over there of what happened." }, { "end_time": "1:07:40", "start_time": "1:07:37", "text": "The Chinese are very insecure about what Chinggis Khan did to them." }, { "end_time": "1:07:44", "start_time": "1:07:40", "text": "So Chinggis Khan destroys the Chinese army over there dehooling North of Beijing." }, { "end_time": "1:07:45", "start_time": "1:07:44", "text": "He marches to Beijing." }, { "end_time": "1:07:47", "start_time": "1:07:45", "text": "The city is had big walls at the time." }, { "end_time": "1:07:50", "start_time": "1:07:48", "text": "He he goes to this place called Yenching." }, { "end_time": "1:07:57", "start_time": "1:07:50", "text": "He reaches Beijing and there is this this big siege of Beijing and eventually his army takes Beijing and flattens the whole city." }, { "end_time": "1:08:10", "start_time": "1:07:58", "text": "And then he once again goes back to the Xi Xia empire in the western part of China and he's fighting them, but in the year 1227, for some reason, he he leaves his body." }, { "end_time": "1:08:11", "start_time": "1:08:10", "text": "He dies." }, { "end_time": "1:08:12", "start_time": "1:08:11", "text": "And we don't know why he dies." }, { "end_time": "1:08:12", "start_time": "1:08:12", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:08:18", "start_time": "1:08:12", "text": "The and the Mongols, they maintained a record, a chronicle of the of the days of Genghis Khan." }, { "end_time": "1:08:24", "start_time": "1:08:18", "text": "It was it is today called the secret history of the Mongols in which it is not mentioned how he died." }, { "end_time": "1:08:26", "start_time": "1:08:24", "text": "So there are all these stories about how he died." }, { "end_time": "1:08:33", "start_time": "1:08:26", "text": "Maybe, maybe his his, local Chinese wife killed him or he died of wounds in a battle." }, { "end_time": "1:08:35", "start_time": "1:08:33", "text": "Lots of different stories." }, { "end_time": "1:08:37", "start_time": "1:08:35", "text": "And then there is a question of where was it buried." }, { "end_time": "1:08:45", "start_time": "1:08:37", "text": "And the western historians and the western media are really interested in finding the burial place, but they're never gonna find it." }, { "end_time": "1:08:47", "start_time": "1:08:45", "text": "I promise you that they will never find it." }, { "end_time": "1:08:50", "start_time": "1:08:47", "text": "Even the burial place of place of Alexander is kind of not known." }, { "end_time": "1:08:58", "start_time": "1:08:50", "text": "It is probably in Alexandria, Al Eskandria in Greece, in in Egypt, but it's not been definitively identified." }, { "end_time": "1:09:08", "start_time": "1:08:58", "text": "So 2 people, 2 2 great men from the great man theory of history, Genghis Khan way greater than Alexander, way greater and a much better person." }, { "end_time": "1:09:11", "start_time": "1:09:09", "text": "He didn't of course, see historians put this figure." }, { "end_time": "1:09:16", "start_time": "1:09:11", "text": "I don't know what figure figure they put 30,000,000, 15,000,000 of people that Genghis Khan killed." }, { "end_time": "1:09:18", "start_time": "1:09:17", "text": "Alexander would have killed no less." }, { "end_time": "1:09:22", "start_time": "1:09:18", "text": "And Genghis Khan did not slaughter people just for the fun of slaughtering them." }, { "end_time": "1:09:28", "start_time": "1:09:22", "text": "If he did slaughter certain some cities, which he did, he did nothing which which Alexander did not do." }, { "end_time": "1:09:39", "start_time": "1:09:28", "text": "And he did this as a psychological thing so as to ensure that the other kingdoms he would capture or he would invade later would just open the gates so that nobody has to be killed and which happened in Samarkand and Bukhara." }, { "end_time": "1:09:41", "start_time": "1:09:39", "text": "At least Samarkand for sure or Bukhara." }, { "end_time": "1:09:42", "start_time": "1:09:41", "text": "1 of these 2." }, { "end_time": "1:09:43", "start_time": "1:09:42", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:09:47", "start_time": "1:09:44", "text": "This is the the readers can look up the actual history." }, { "end_time": "1:09:51", "start_time": "1:09:47", "text": "I don't remember all the dates, all the specific locations, but that's what happened." }, { "end_time": "1:09:57", "start_time": "1:09:51", "text": "So overall, from my estimation, Genghis Khan was a far greater conqueror and a far better human being than Alexander." }, { "end_time": "1:10:02", "start_time": "1:09:57", "text": "And the reason why he is so reviled is because he is not a white guy." }, { "end_time": "1:10:08", "start_time": "1:10:02", "text": "He was not a white guy and his descendants conquered many various parts of Europe as well." }, { "end_time": "1:10:10", "start_time": "1:10:09", "text": "They smashed Russia." }, { "end_time": "1:10:14", "start_time": "1:10:10", "text": "Russia was under the Mongol yoke for a couple of centuries and so on." }, { "end_time": "1:10:17", "start_time": "1:10:14", "text": "Long story short, but, yeah, that's about Genghis Khan." }, { "end_time": "1:10:21", "start_time": "1:10:17", "text": "So very different person, very different character, very different historical figure from Alexander." }, { "end_time": "1:10:24", "start_time": "1:10:21", "text": "In my estimation, the much greater conqueror and the much better human being." }, { "end_time": "1:10:28", "start_time": "1:10:24", "text": "If he had actually decided to come into India, India would have had a totally different history." }, { "end_time": "1:10:31", "start_time": "1:10:30", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:10:33", "start_time": "1:10:32", "text": "Let's talk about India a little bit." }, { "end_time": "1:10:34", "start_time": "1:10:33", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:10:39", "start_time": "1:10:36", "text": "What is the connection between the Mughals and the Mongols?" }, { "end_time": "1:10:44", "start_time": "1:10:39", "text": "Because urban legend says that Babur was a descendant of Genghis Khan." }, { "end_time": "1:10:48", "start_time": "1:10:44", "text": "But may I'll let you begin this answer wherever you wish." }, { "end_time": "1:10:54", "start_time": "1:10:49", "text": "What I've understood is that the Mongols settled down in Turkey, the descendants, the sons, the grandsons." }, { "end_time": "1:10:57", "start_time": "1:10:55", "text": "It's a long story." }, { "end_time": "1:11:05", "start_time": "1:10:57", "text": "So what happens is that Genghis Khan dies, then his third son, Ogedei, becomes the emperor after him, and he concludes the conquest of China." }, { "end_time": "1:11:07", "start_time": "1:11:06", "text": "He conquests China fully." }, { "end_time": "1:11:13", "start_time": "1:11:07", "text": "Then his grandson, Chinggis Khan's grandson, Kublai Khan, rules China as the emperor of the Yuan empire." }, { "end_time": "1:11:16", "start_time": "1:11:13", "text": "And then his other grandsons, they expand westwards." }, { "end_time": "1:11:34", "start_time": "1:11:17", "text": "Some form the Chagatai Khanate, some conquer and rule Russia, some rule in, Central Asia, some are in the Bukhara, there is the Golden Horde and the Hizgant son Hulagu Khan, who is the leader of Baghdad and puts an end to the golden age of Islam." }, { "end_time": "1:11:39", "start_time": "1:11:34", "text": "So his descendants, they rule all parts of the world, all parts of the eastern world." }, { "end_time": "1:11:42", "start_time": "1:11:40", "text": "And some of them became become Turkified." }, { "end_time": "1:11:46", "start_time": "1:11:43", "text": "They conquer Turkic regions of of Asia." }, { "end_time": "1:11:48", "start_time": "1:11:46", "text": "Most of the soldiers are Turkic." }, { "end_time": "1:11:51", "start_time": "1:11:48", "text": "They marry among the Turkic people, then over time they become Turkified." }, { "end_time": "1:11:56", "start_time": "1:11:52", "text": "So that's how many of the Mongols, their descendants became Turkic and Islamic." }, { "end_time": "1:11:58", "start_time": "1:11:57", "text": "Now this guy, what's his name?" }, { "end_time": "1:12:07", "start_time": "1:11:59", "text": "Timur, who was a dreaded, invader who killed so many people in such cruel ways that you cannot imagine." }, { "end_time": "1:12:09", "start_time": "1:12:07", "text": "And he also did a massacre in Delhi in India and so on." }, { "end_time": "1:12:11", "start_time": "1:12:09", "text": "He did lots of terrible things." }, { "end_time": "1:12:14", "start_time": "1:12:11", "text": "He claimed descent from Genghis Khan." }, { "end_time": "1:12:17", "start_time": "1:12:15", "text": "He said that he was a descendant of Genghis Khan." }, { "end_time": "1:12:23", "start_time": "1:12:17", "text": "We don't have any actual evidence, hard evidence that he was a descendant of Genghis Khan, but he claimed descent." }, { "end_time": "1:12:28", "start_time": "1:12:23", "text": "And then you had the so you have Timur and you have Genghis Khan." }, { "end_time": "1:12:33", "start_time": "1:12:28", "text": "And this guy Babur, he claimed he was a descendant of both both Timur and Genghis Khan." }, { "end_time": "1:12:42", "start_time": "1:12:33", "text": "It was a claim that he made and that's what historians repeat as if it is fact, but we don't have any solid evidence that could either conclusively prove it or falsify it." }, { "end_time": "1:12:47", "start_time": "1:12:43", "text": "So Babur claimed that he was a descendant of Genghis Khan and Timur and so on and so forth." }, { "end_time": "1:12:49", "start_time": "1:12:47", "text": "But, as far as I know, it could just be a story." }, { "end_time": "1:12:51", "start_time": "1:12:50", "text": "So that's where we are." }, { "end_time": "1:12:55", "start_time": "1:12:51", "text": "And Babur is the founder of the the so called Mughal Empire." }, { "end_time": "1:13:03", "start_time": "1:12:56", "text": "That's why it is claimed and many historians claim that, Genghis Khan, his descendants ruled India, but we don't have any solid evidence of that." }, { "end_time": "1:13:13", "start_time": "1:13:06", "text": "I think we discussed this long ago about how the Mughal emperors would have looked in person." }, { "end_time": "1:13:14", "start_time": "1:13:13", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:13:21", "start_time": "1:13:15", "text": "And the lots of people believe that they looked like people from Mongolia." }, { "end_time": "1:13:21", "start_time": "1:13:21", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:13:22", "start_time": "1:13:22", "text": "Correct, Jose?" }, { "end_time": "1:13:33", "start_time": "1:13:23", "text": "Well, when it comes to Babar, he was definitely a very Turkic looking person, which means the standard the stereotypical Mongoloid, the so called facial features." }, { "end_time": "1:13:34", "start_time": "1:13:34", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:13:40", "start_time": "1:13:34", "text": "Small eyes and the the facial features that people would have in the Turkic regions of Central Asia and in Mongolia." }, { "end_time": "1:13:42", "start_time": "1:13:40", "text": "Which is like with which country?" }, { "end_time": "1:13:43", "start_time": "1:13:43", "text": "Mongolia, let's say." }, { "end_time": "1:13:47", "start_time": "1:13:43", "text": "If you look at the people of Mongolia or China, how they look, kind of like that." }, { "end_time": "1:13:51", "start_time": "1:13:47", "text": "So today, if you go to Turkey, people look European there." }, { "end_time": "1:13:51", "start_time": "1:13:51", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:13:52", "start_time": "1:13:51", "text": "Most people in Turkey look European." }, { "end_time": "1:14:00", "start_time": "1:13:53", "text": "Because those because if you look at the genetics of Turkey, they're mostly Greek, Armenian, and, Anatolian." }, { "end_time": "1:14:01", "start_time": "1:14:01", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:14:04", "start_time": "1:14:01", "text": "So most Turks are actually Turkified Greeks today." }, { "end_time": "1:14:13", "start_time": "1:14:04", "text": "But the real Turks were the central Asian people of the Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan region, Turkmenistan, all those regions." }, { "end_time": "1:14:16", "start_time": "1:14:13", "text": "And those people, they are the stereotypical Turkic looking people." }, { "end_time": "1:14:18", "start_time": "1:14:16", "text": "And Babur would have looked like that." }, { "end_time": "1:14:20", "start_time": "1:14:18", "text": "That's what Babur would have looked like." }, { "end_time": "1:14:23", "start_time": "1:14:20", "text": "And his son, Humayun, also would have looked like that." }, { "end_time": "1:14:27", "start_time": "1:14:23", "text": "And it is said that even Akbar looked very Turkic." }, { "end_time": "1:14:29", "start_time": "1:14:27", "text": "He don't he did not look Indian." }, { "end_time": "1:14:31", "start_time": "1:14:29", "text": "But Akbar married various Indian women." }, { "end_time": "1:14:36", "start_time": "1:14:32", "text": "And his son, Salim, who was then known as Jahangir, would have looked more Indian." }, { "end_time": "1:14:39", "start_time": "1:14:36", "text": "And Salim married another I don't know who he married." }, { "end_time": "1:14:41", "start_time": "1:14:39", "text": "I don't remember the Mughal history." }, { "end_time": "1:14:43", "start_time": "1:14:41", "text": "But over time, they became more and more Indian." }, { "end_time": "1:14:47", "start_time": "1:14:43", "text": "And by the time it was Aurangzeb, they were almost fully Indian, looks wise." }, { "end_time": "1:14:49", "start_time": "1:14:47", "text": "And we know how how Bahadur Shah looked." }, { "end_time": "1:14:54", "start_time": "1:14:49", "text": "Bahadur Shah suffered a look because there are photographs of him, pretty dark skinned and looked very much Indian." }, { "end_time": "1:14:54", "start_time": "1:14:54", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:14:56", "start_time": "1:14:54", "text": "So over time, they became more Indian." }, { "end_time": "1:15:05", "start_time": "1:14:56", "text": "Just the way the Turks in Turkey, over time, they became more European by capturing and marrying European Greek women and Armenian women." }, { "end_time": "1:15:10", "start_time": "1:15:07", "text": "What is the modern legacy of the Mongols?" }, { "end_time": "1:15:14", "start_time": "1:15:11", "text": "The modern legacy of the Mongols is a very good question." }, { "end_time": "1:15:18", "start_time": "1:15:16", "text": "They invented much of the modern world." }, { "end_time": "1:15:19", "start_time": "1:15:18", "text": "Free trade zones." }, { "end_time": "1:15:21", "start_time": "1:15:20", "text": "Diplomatic immunity." }, { "end_time": "1:15:21", "start_time": "1:15:21", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:15:26", "start_time": "1:15:21", "text": "You know how there's this urban legend about how 1 third of the population has descended from Genghis Khan?" }, { "end_time": "1:15:27", "start_time": "1:15:26", "text": "You know what?" }, { "end_time": "1:15:28", "start_time": "1:15:27", "text": "It's like this." }, { "end_time": "1:15:40", "start_time": "1:15:29", "text": "The Mongols, like I said earlier in this podcast, the total population of Mongolia was a million during Genghis Khan's time, which is a tiny population in the context of the rest of the world." }, { "end_time": "1:15:45", "start_time": "1:15:40", "text": "And though that population of the Mongols, they were all all strongly interrelated." }, { "end_time": "1:15:49", "start_time": "1:15:45", "text": "They were all relatives of each other, which means they had very similar genetics." }, { "end_time": "1:15:54", "start_time": "1:15:49", "text": "And then the Mongols suddenly, they go and disperse all across the world." }, { "end_time": "1:16:00", "start_time": "1:15:54", "text": "So suddenly, you have this huge eruption of Mongol genetics in various parts of the And these are all very similar genetics." }, { "end_time": "1:16:05", "start_time": "1:16:00", "text": "It's not all from one man, but they have the same genetic mutations." }, { "end_time": "1:16:07", "start_time": "1:16:05", "text": "So it looks like it's one man." }, { "end_time": "1:16:17", "start_time": "1:16:07", "text": "And that's how this urban legend has been has been constructed that Genghis Khan was a mass rapist, and he spent most of his adult life raping women in various parts of the world that he conquered." }, { "end_time": "1:16:19", "start_time": "1:16:17", "text": "That is completely untrue." }, { "end_time": "1:16:20", "start_time": "1:16:19", "text": "Completely untrue." }, { "end_time": "1:16:28", "start_time": "1:16:20", "text": "That is some something that is used to denigrate Genghis Khan and the Mongols and to paint them as as bloodthirsty and evil barbarians and rapists and all that." }, { "end_time": "1:16:32", "start_time": "1:16:28", "text": "There is absolutely no scientific fact be behind this claim." }, { "end_time": "1:16:37", "start_time": "1:16:32", "text": "And and the first I remember I had I traced back the first article in which this was written." }, { "end_time": "1:16:41", "start_time": "1:16:37", "text": "And in that, it was written that it is Mongolian genetics, not the genetics of Chinggis Khan." }, { "end_time": "1:16:45", "start_time": "1:16:41", "text": "How do you know it is Chinggis Khan who's the originator of all these genetics?" }, { "end_time": "1:16:52", "start_time": "1:16:45", "text": "For that, you would need actual genetic data from Chinggis Khan, which means you need a piece of his hair or a piece of his bone or something from his body." }, { "end_time": "1:16:53", "start_time": "1:16:52", "text": "We have none of that." }, { "end_time": "1:16:55", "start_time": "1:16:53", "text": "So on what basis do they make this claim?" }, { "end_time": "1:16:58", "start_time": "1:16:56", "text": "Absurd, unscientific nonsense." }, { "end_time": "1:17:01", "start_time": "1:16:59", "text": "Why did we do this podcast?" }, { "end_time": "1:17:08", "start_time": "1:17:01", "text": "Oh, we well, we want to understand human nature, human history, what drives greatness, what drives human conquest." }, { "end_time": "1:17:15", "start_time": "1:17:08", "text": "Because the whole world that we live in today has been populated by humans through conquest and migration." }, { "end_time": "1:17:20", "start_time": "1:17:16", "text": "And it is great people like Alexander and Genghis Khan who kind of serve as role models." }, { "end_time": "1:17:24", "start_time": "1:17:21", "text": "For example, let's go back westwards to Alexander." }, { "end_time": "1:17:26", "start_time": "1:17:24", "text": "Julius Caesar idolized Alexander." }, { "end_time": "1:17:31", "start_time": "1:17:27", "text": "He is reputed to have visited the tomb of Alexander." }, { "end_time": "1:17:39", "start_time": "1:17:31", "text": "And he wanted to be like Alexander and his great lament in life was that he could never conquer as much territory as Alexander did." }, { "end_time": "1:17:41", "start_time": "1:17:39", "text": "So Julius Caesar conquered Iberia, which is Spain." }, { "end_time": "1:17:46", "start_time": "1:17:41", "text": "He conquered Central Europe, which is the Gallic Celtic regions of Europe, present in France, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "1:17:57", "start_time": "1:17:46", "text": "He conquered some parts of the British Isles, then he comes eastwards, conquers Greece, which is when Greece ceases to be a a geopolitical power and becomes a part of the Roman Empire." }, { "end_time": "1:17:59", "start_time": "1:17:57", "text": "And Julius Caesar also conquered Egypt." }, { "end_time": "1:18:01", "start_time": "1:17:59", "text": "But he could not conquer Persia and India." }, { "end_time": "1:18:06", "start_time": "1:18:01", "text": "So he always had this lament in him him that he would never be as great as a as a Alexander." }, { "end_time": "1:18:10", "start_time": "1:18:06", "text": "But what drove Julius Caesar was the same instincts that drew Alexander." }, { "end_time": "1:18:14", "start_time": "1:18:10", "text": "The same desire for glory and wealth and plunder and territory." }, { "end_time": "1:18:25", "start_time": "1:18:15", "text": "And the same thing, the same instincts and same impulses drove drove Napoleon who also idolized Julius Caesar and Alexander." }, { "end_time": "1:18:33", "start_time": "1:18:25", "text": "When it comes to Asia, today, China makes all these territorial claims on various parts of Asia including Tibet, for example." }, { "end_time": "1:18:36", "start_time": "1:18:33", "text": "It has conquered Tibet and it it claims several parts of India." }, { "end_time": "1:18:39", "start_time": "1:18:36", "text": "What is the basis of these territorial claims?" }, { "end_time": "1:18:46", "start_time": "1:18:39", "text": "The basis of these territorial claims is the territorial extent of the Yuan Empire, which was a Mongol Empire which had conquered China." }, { "end_time": "1:18:50", "start_time": "1:18:46", "text": "And they claim it's a Chinese empire even though the emperors were all Mongols." }, { "end_time": "1:18:59", "start_time": "1:18:50", "text": "And they legitimize their territorial hegemony and and hegemonic claims, expansionist claims, based on the conquest of the Mongols, who were never Chinese." }, { "end_time": "1:19:01", "start_time": "1:19:00", "text": "So there is that legacy." }, { "end_time": "1:19:05", "start_time": "1:19:01", "text": "And the other legacy of the of the Mongols, of Genghis Khan, is diplomatic immunity." }, { "end_time": "1:19:11", "start_time": "1:19:05", "text": "Genghis Khan was probably the first ruler, non yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:19:21", "start_time": "1:19:11", "text": "Probably, like, the first ruler who instituted the the the tradition and the custom and the policy of giving immunity to diplomats of other nations, including those who who he was fighting with." }, { "end_time": "1:19:22", "start_time": "1:19:21", "text": "That's one thing." }, { "end_time": "1:19:30", "start_time": "1:19:23", "text": "Postal system, he instituted a Eurasia wide postal system based on horses who could travel really fast." }, { "end_time": "1:19:34", "start_time": "1:19:30", "text": "He, invented the military strategy of blitzkrieg that the Nazis copied." }, { "end_time": "1:19:43", "start_time": "1:19:35", "text": "You know, concentrated force in one place and then you then you make a hole through the defense and then you move through and forget the defensive fortifications of walls." }, { "end_time": "1:19:46", "start_time": "1:19:43", "text": "They made the Great Wall of China completely obsolete, the Mongols." }, { "end_time": "1:19:53", "start_time": "1:19:47", "text": "They created the world's largest free trade zone in human history and so many more things." }, { "end_time": "1:19:59", "start_time": "1:19:53", "text": "Many of the things that we take for granted today were first thought of by the Mongols, by Genghis Khan." }, { "end_time": "1:20:01", "start_time": "1:19:59", "text": "And, yeah, so much more." }, { "end_time": "1:20:03", "start_time": "1:20:01", "text": "For the sake of military expansion." }, { "end_time": "1:20:03", "start_time": "1:20:03", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:20:07", "start_time": "1:20:03", "text": "And then that led its way into what we know as modern day civilization." }, { "end_time": "1:20:08", "start_time": "1:20:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:20:11", "start_time": "1:20:08", "text": "But, yeah, another thing I forgot to mention is that he had religious freedom." }, { "end_time": "1:20:16", "start_time": "1:20:11", "text": "Genghis Khan did not convert anybody to his religion of Tengris, which is a polytheistic religion." }, { "end_time": "1:20:20", "start_time": "1:20:16", "text": "Chinggis Khan some people imagine that Chinggis Khan was a Muslim because he's Khan." }, { "end_time": "1:20:26", "start_time": "1:20:21", "text": "He was not a Muslim, and the Muslims have taken the Khan surname from the Mongols." }, { "end_time": "1:20:28", "start_time": "1:20:27", "text": "So there is that." }, { "end_time": "1:20:36", "start_time": "1:20:28", "text": "And he had this policy of religious freedom means who, whichever territory he conquered, he did not force the people to change their way of life or to change their religion." }, { "end_time": "1:20:40", "start_time": "1:20:36", "text": "He conquered Khwarazm, which is Persia and other parts of Central Asia." }, { "end_time": "1:20:41", "start_time": "1:20:40", "text": "He allowed of course, yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:20:50", "start_time": "1:20:41", "text": "At some point in time, he did build bring down some mosques and he built some temples on top of them to some extent because those mosques were built on top of ancient Buddhist or Hindu temples." }, { "end_time": "1:20:51", "start_time": "1:20:50", "text": "Temples of his own?" }, { "end_time": "1:20:52", "start_time": "1:20:52", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:20:54", "start_time": "1:20:52", "text": "Buddhist Buddhist temples or Hindu temples." }, { "end_time": "1:20:56", "start_time": "1:20:54", "text": "He would rebuild the Buddhist and Hindu temples." }, { "end_time": "1:20:56", "start_time": "1:20:56", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:21:01", "start_time": "1:20:56", "text": "He said to have rebuilt some some temples by knocking down mosques in the Khwarezm region." }, { "end_time": "1:21:11", "start_time": "1:21:02", "text": "And he had banned and his descendants, like, Kublai Khan has had also banned the practice of the Islamic slaughtering of animals, the halal thing." }, { "end_time": "1:21:15", "start_time": "1:21:11", "text": "So there were certain things that they were there, but mostly there was religious freedom." }, { "end_time": "1:21:18", "start_time": "1:21:15", "text": "So these are the legacies of the Mongol empire." }, { "end_time": "1:21:21", "start_time": "1:21:18", "text": "Very tolerant, very open empire, free trade." }, { "end_time": "1:21:27", "start_time": "1:21:22", "text": "You could practice whatever religion you want more or less to with certain restrictions and so on." }, { "end_time": "1:21:33", "start_time": "1:21:27", "text": "So, overall, much better than the European conquest of the world where you had complete destruction." }, { "end_time": "1:21:41", "start_time": "1:21:34", "text": "And whatever plunder was taken by the Mongolian, expansions, that was all put back and recirculated in the economy." }, { "end_time": "1:21:49", "start_time": "1:21:42", "text": "And the one permanent see, Alexander built one permanent thing, which is the city of Alexandria, Aleskondria, and Greece." }, { "end_time": "1:21:53", "start_time": "1:21:49", "text": "The Mongols built nothing except for one thing, bridges." }, { "end_time": "1:21:58", "start_time": "1:21:54", "text": "They built bridges everywhere and some of them still stand." }, { "end_time": "1:22:11", "start_time": "1:21:59", "text": "I wonder how Chenggis Khan is perceived in modern day Mongolia because there's something called Mongolian throat music, Mongolian throat singing." }, { "end_time": "1:22:12", "start_time": "1:22:11", "text": "The who?" }, { "end_time": "1:22:14", "start_time": "1:22:12", "text": "Where they where they sing Like that." }, { "end_time": "1:22:15", "start_time": "1:22:14", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:22:17", "start_time": "1:22:15", "text": "They they put on a voice and sing." }, { "end_time": "1:22:22", "start_time": "1:22:17", "text": "And it's very, very, transcendental music also." }, { "end_time": "1:22:25", "start_time": "1:22:22", "text": "It can be extremely meditative to listen to Mongolian throat singing." }, { "end_time": "1:22:25", "start_time": "1:22:25", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:22:35", "start_time": "1:22:25", "text": "But, for viewers who are interested, go and search for music videos after this podcast almost at the end, of Mongolian throat singing and especially rock songs." }, { "end_time": "1:22:35", "start_time": "1:22:35", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:22:43", "start_time": "1:22:35", "text": "There are some incredible songs where the music videos actually depict the warriors who fought with Genghis Khan." }, { "end_time": "1:22:44", "start_time": "1:22:43", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:22:45", "start_time": "1:22:44", "text": "So I think that they're still revered." }, { "end_time": "1:22:50", "start_time": "1:22:45", "text": "Like, the the legacy of Genghis Khan is extremely revered in, Mongolia." }, { "end_time": "1:22:54", "start_time": "1:22:50", "text": "And I would argue that his genetics are spread across China." }, { "end_time": "1:22:56", "start_time": "1:22:55", "text": "So Possibly." }, { "end_time": "1:22:57", "start_time": "1:22:56", "text": "Possibly." }, { "end_time": "1:22:57", "start_time": "1:22:57", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:22:58", "start_time": "1:22:57", "text": "It it it is mixed." }, { "end_time": "1:23:00", "start_time": "1:22:59", "text": "It's mixed for sure." }, { "end_time": "1:23:00", "start_time": "1:23:00", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:23:05", "start_time": "1:23:01", "text": "Controversial statement, but this China's expansion is policy Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:23:06", "start_time": "1:23:05", "text": "Geopolitically speaking." }, { "end_time": "1:23:06", "start_time": "1:23:06", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:23:10", "start_time": "1:23:06", "text": "Somewhere he's got a legacy of expansionism from Mongolia." }, { "end_time": "1:23:13", "start_time": "1:23:10", "text": "Well, the Chinese Communist Party has a completely different kind of DNA." }, { "end_time": "1:23:18", "start_time": "1:23:13", "text": "They have a Marxist DNA and, yeah, they don't mind expanding based on their military strength." }, { "end_time": "1:23:24", "start_time": "1:23:18", "text": "And they both hate Genghis Khan and want to embody him in some way." }, { "end_time": "1:23:26", "start_time": "1:23:25", "text": "That's what I, I wonder." }, { "end_time": "1:23:28", "start_time": "1:23:26", "text": "I wonder how he's perceived in China." }, { "end_time": "1:23:35", "start_time": "1:23:28", "text": "In in China, as a conqueror, as as as the guy who conquered their their, country, he is reviled and he is hated." }, { "end_time": "1:23:45", "start_time": "1:23:36", "text": "And there is this explicit ban in inner Mongolia, which is Chinese occupied Mongolia, on any mention of Genghis Khan and on any on on even teaching the history of Genghis Khan." }, { "end_time": "1:23:47", "start_time": "1:23:46", "text": "His his name is blacklisted." }, { "end_time": "1:23:49", "start_time": "1:23:48", "text": "The Chinese fear him so much even today." }, { "end_time": "1:24:00", "start_time": "1:23:50", "text": "But they want to use the the expansionism of the Chinggis Khan empire, of the Yuan dynasty as the basis of their own hegemonic territorial claims." }, { "end_time": "1:24:04", "start_time": "1:24:01", "text": "That's a very weird relationship they have, a love hate relationship." }, { "end_time": "1:24:11", "start_time": "1:24:04", "text": "Mostly hate relationship, but they don't mind using his conquest as the vehicle for their own territorial claims." }, { "end_time": "1:24:14", "start_time": "1:24:12", "text": "And in Mongolia, he's seen as the father of the nation." }, { "end_time": "1:24:19", "start_time": "1:24:15", "text": "He is seen as the father of the nation, and his wife Borte is seen as the mother of the nation." }, { "end_time": "1:24:24", "start_time": "1:24:19", "text": "So in Mongolia, they they essentially worship him like the greatest shaman who ever lived." }, { "end_time": "1:24:26", "start_time": "1:24:25", "text": "That sort of thing." }, { "end_time": "1:24:26", "start_time": "1:24:26", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:24:29", "start_time": "1:24:27", "text": "That's it for today, ladies and gentlemen." }, { "end_time": "1:24:31", "start_time": "1:24:29", "text": "This was just an experimental podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:24:34", "start_time": "1:24:31", "text": "We're trying to figure if world history is a subject that you guys would enjoy." }, { "end_time": "1:24:40", "start_time": "1:24:34", "text": "And I think podcasts are also built out of the tangents that arise in the middle of the conversation." }, { "end_time": "1:24:42", "start_time": "1:24:40", "text": "I hope it was fun for you, AC." }, { "end_time": "1:24:43", "start_time": "1:24:42", "text": "It was fun." }, { "end_time": "1:24:43", "start_time": "1:24:43", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "1:24:46", "start_time": "1:24:43", "text": "Doing a history podcast after very, very long with you." }, { "end_time": "1:24:47", "start_time": "1:24:46", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:24:47", "start_time": "1:24:47", "text": "We will." }, { "end_time": "1:24:49", "start_time": "1:24:47", "text": "We'll cover a few more topics the next time." }, { "end_time": "1:24:51", "start_time": "1:24:49", "text": "Please leave your suggestions down below." }, { "end_time": "1:24:53", "start_time": "1:24:51", "text": "Any signing off notes for today?" }, { "end_time": "1:24:57", "start_time": "1:24:54", "text": "It may be true that human history is the history of great men." }, { "end_time": "1:24:59", "start_time": "1:24:57", "text": "Maybe great women also in the future." }, { "end_time": "1:25:02", "start_time": "1:25:00", "text": "So it really makes sense to study history." }, { "end_time": "1:25:04", "start_time": "1:25:02", "text": "History is not a boring topic." }, { "end_time": "1:25:18", "start_time": "1:25:04", "text": "It's something that everybody should have some interest in because it teaches you how that world that we live in came to be constructed and who made the world the way it is and what are the forces that still drive the world and we'll keep on driving the driving the world in the future." }, { "end_time": "1:25:18", "start_time": "1:25:18", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:25:21", "start_time": "1:25:18", "text": "You study history, you understand the present world, and you can actually look into the future." }, { "end_time": "1:25:21", "start_time": "1:25:21", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:25:27", "start_time": "1:25:21", "text": "That's why you should have more of an interest in history, especially these fascinating figures of history." }, { "end_time": "1:25:28", "start_time": "1:25:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:25:33", "start_time": "1:25:29", "text": "My tiny signing of note, it's a little messed up, but it is what it is." }, { "end_time": "1:25:58", "start_time": "1:25:33", "text": "I feel like as brown people of the subcontinent, we very likely have some Greek soldier blood in our veins and very likely have some Mongol blood in our veins also, which makes me feel weird about it that some great great great great great great great great ancestor of yours was both in the Alexander army and maybe another one was in Genghis Khan's army." }, { "end_time": "1:25:58", "start_time": "1:25:58", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:26:03", "start_time": "1:25:58", "text": "The world is a completely mixed up melting pot, especially India, which is the crossroads of history." }, { "end_time": "1:26:06", "start_time": "1:26:03", "text": "We have all kinds of genetic contributions that we may not be aware of." }, { "end_time": "1:26:08", "start_time": "1:26:06", "text": "So, yes, very much possible." }, { "end_time": "1:26:19", "start_time": "1:26:08", "text": "Very much possible that we have some genetic contribution from Greece, some from Mongolia, some from the Huns who are the ancestors of the Mongols, the Khushans, the Scythians, and whatnot." }, { "end_time": "1:26:20", "start_time": "1:26:19", "text": "Who knows what else?" }, { "end_time": "1:26:21", "start_time": "1:26:20", "text": "Lots more to explore Indeed." }, { "end_time": "1:26:22", "start_time": "1:26:22", "text": "With AC." }, { "end_time": "1:26:23", "start_time": "1:26:22", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:26:24", "start_time": "1:26:23", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:26:26", "start_time": "1:26:24", "text": "That was the episode for today, ladies and gentlemen." }, { "end_time": "1:26:31", "start_time": "1:26:26", "text": "All I wanna say is that I want to create a lot more world history related episodes." }, { "end_time": "1:26:34", "start_time": "1:26:31", "text": "So I'd love to know what you thought of this particular one." }, { "end_time": "1:26:38", "start_time": "1:26:34", "text": "World history is honestly my absolute favorite subject." }, { "end_time": "1:26:42", "start_time": "1:26:39", "text": "I probably like it as much as I like cricket or spirituality." }, { "end_time": "1:26:49", "start_time": "1:26:43", "text": "But I don't know how much you guys as the audience would like to learn about world history." }, { "end_time": "1:26:53", "start_time": "1:26:49", "text": "So my request to you is 1, send me your feedback in the comment section." }, { "end_time": "1:26:56", "start_time": "1:26:53", "text": "Tell us how we can improve these history based episodes." }, { "end_time": "1:27:00", "start_time": "1:26:56", "text": "And 2, my request is to share it with fellow history buffs." }, { "end_time": "1:27:02", "start_time": "1:27:00", "text": "I'm happy to bring history back as a genre on TRS." }, { "end_time": "1:27:06", "start_time": "1:27:02", "text": "We've not created a lot of history episodes in the recent past." }, { "end_time": "1:27:11", "start_time": "1:27:06", "text": "But if this one gets a good response, I promise you that will change." }, { "end_time": "1:27:14", "start_time": "1:27:11", "text": "DRS will be back with the legend, AC himself." }, { "end_time": "1:27:19", "start_time": "1:27:15", "text": "Lots of love and lots of gratitude for listening in." } ] }

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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:01", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "Being a lone, Himalayan explorer." }, { "end_time": "0:06", "start_time": "0:02", "text": "Is there danger from human beings out there sometimes when you're exploring?" }, { "end_time": "0:11", "start_time": "0:06", "text": "Sometimes you also get picked up by a guy with a AK 47, so you have to be careful in g and k." }, { "end_time": "0:15", "start_time": "0:12", "text": "Being in snow is not as simple as It looks." }, { "end_time": "0:16", "start_time": "0:15", "text": "Looks on cartoon network." }, { "end_time": "0:24", "start_time": "0:16", "text": "Sometimes I think it has been like, you just pitch up your tent and immediately you see the frost forming on the inside of the sheet of the tent, like, some minus 20." }, { "end_time": "0:26", "start_time": "0:24", "text": "What's the most beautiful place you've seen in India?" }, { "end_time": "0:32", "start_time": "0:27", "text": "These nomadic tribes, Bakarwals, shepherds." }, { "end_time": "0:35", "start_time": "0:32", "text": "Bakarwals Tribals are in Kashmir." }, { "end_time": "0:40", "start_time": "0:35", "text": "These kids are just have actually nothing, but, the smiles you see there Wow." }, { "end_time": "0:41", "start_time": "0:40", "text": "Look at that kid." }, { "end_time": "0:43", "start_time": "0:41", "text": "Never had a fall or anything?" }, { "end_time": "0:46", "start_time": "0:43", "text": "But this was a case where we were crossing like a mountain stream." }, { "end_time": "0:49", "start_time": "0:46", "text": "So with leopard 2 attack, he suddenly saw us." }, { "end_time": "0:51", "start_time": "0:49", "text": "I'm saying this as a compliment, but you're a bit of a psycho." }, { "end_time": "0:53", "start_time": "0:51", "text": "The question that's ringing in my head is about yetis." }, { "end_time": "0:56", "start_time": "0:54", "text": "I think I've also seen similar things." }, { "end_time": "0:58", "start_time": "0:56", "text": "Looks like a bigger footprint in the snow." }, { "end_time": "1:09", "start_time": "1:02", "text": "YouTube is filled with countless podcasts where you learn about how to do better in your career, how to do better in your relationships, how to do better in terms of mental health." }, { "end_time": "1:17", "start_time": "1:10", "text": "Not many podcasts will teach you about how to go about exploration better." }, { "end_time": "1:24", "start_time": "1:17", "text": "Not many listeners of this particular episode are going to go out after this episode and begin to explore the Himalayas." }, { "end_time": "1:31", "start_time": "1:25", "text": "But what I hope that this episode brings you is perspective because that's what these kind of guests bring to my mind and heart." }, { "end_time": "1:34", "start_time": "1:31", "text": "Peter Van Geet was born and raised in Belgium." }, { "end_time": "1:36", "start_time": "1:34", "text": "Life brought him to India." }, { "end_time": "1:44", "start_time": "1:36", "text": "And then within India, he's gone on his own exploration journeys specific to the Himalayas." }, { "end_time": "1:53", "start_time": "1:45", "text": "He's a man who literally just takes off and explores the Himalaya on foot by himself completely alone." }, { "end_time": "1:58", "start_time": "1:53", "text": "There's days where he covers 40 to 50 kilometers in one single stretch." }, { "end_time": "2:01", "start_time": "1:58", "text": "This is not a normal human being in my eyes." }, { "end_time": "2:04", "start_time": "2:01", "text": "At least, it's not something you hear of commonly in India." }, { "end_time": "2:07", "start_time": "2:04", "text": "So this is a very perspective building podcast." }, { "end_time": "2:10", "start_time": "2:08", "text": "There is something that'll shift within you." }, { "end_time": "2:16", "start_time": "2:10", "text": "You will look at life differently if you give this whole podcast a listen and let it sink into your soul." }, { "end_time": "2:19", "start_time": "2:16", "text": "This is Peter Van Gait on TRS." }, { "end_time": "2:40", "start_time": "2:38", "text": "Peter Van Geet, welcome to TRS." }, { "end_time": "2:43", "start_time": "2:40", "text": "I've been speaking to you for the last 3 years." }, { "end_time": "2:43", "start_time": "2:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:44", "start_time": "2:43", "text": "I think so." }, { "end_time": "2:45", "start_time": "2:44", "text": "But we're finally here." }, { "end_time": "2:45", "start_time": "2:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:46", "start_time": "2:45", "text": "Finally." }, { "end_time": "2:47", "start_time": "2:46", "text": "Good to be here, Ramish." }, { "end_time": "2:49", "start_time": "2:47", "text": "Good to have you in our studio." }, { "end_time": "2:49", "start_time": "2:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:52", "start_time": "2:49", "text": "I I can talk to you openly now that the cameras are rolling." }, { "end_time": "2:53", "start_time": "2:53", "text": "Correct." }, { "end_time": "2:54", "start_time": "2:53", "text": "How are you?" }, { "end_time": "2:54", "start_time": "2:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:55", "start_time": "2:54", "text": "Doing good." }, { "end_time": "2:55", "start_time": "2:55", "text": "Doing good." }, { "end_time": "3:01", "start_time": "2:55", "text": "So just came from Chennai, my home base for, the last 25 years that I've been in India." }, { "end_time": "3:05", "start_time": "3:01", "text": "Short break from my usual Himalayan journeys in in the north." }, { "end_time": "3:09", "start_time": "3:06", "text": "What did you do before you came to Chennai?" }, { "end_time": "3:12", "start_time": "3:10", "text": "So, yeah, I'm basically from Belgium." }, { "end_time": "3:16", "start_time": "3:12", "text": "I was born and raised there to finish my masters of computer science." }, { "end_time": "3:24", "start_time": "3:16", "text": "And then in 98, so 25 years ago, I was sent to India, recruit a small team of software engineers to write software." }, { "end_time": "3:38", "start_time": "3:24", "text": "I've been working as a project manager in Cisco, the network, giant for the last 20 years almost before, quitting the job in 2017 and then becoming more of a lone Himalayan explorer." }, { "end_time": "3:40", "start_time": "3:38", "text": "A lone Himalayan explorer." }, { "end_time": "3:40", "start_time": "3:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:44", "start_time": "3:40", "text": "As in you actually go out for solo expeditions alone." }, { "end_time": "3:45", "start_time": "3:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:46", "start_time": "3:45", "text": "I mostly go solo." }, { "end_time": "3:51", "start_time": "3:46", "text": "So I go for, like, month long journeys across the most remote corners of the Himalayas." }, { "end_time": "3:53", "start_time": "3:51", "text": "I'm pretty good with map reading and navigation." }, { "end_time": "3:58", "start_time": "3:54", "text": "So I use these old survey of India maps to find very remote trails." }, { "end_time": "4:00", "start_time": "3:58", "text": "And those are really amazing journeys." }, { "end_time": "4:03", "start_time": "4:00", "text": "Going solo is like a meditative experience." }, { "end_time": "4:07", "start_time": "4:03", "text": "It's just you and mother nature, untouched by human hands." }, { "end_time": "4:13", "start_time": "4:08", "text": "You come across, like, mountain tribe, shepherds, and beautiful, untouched nature." }, { "end_time": "4:19", "start_time": "4:13", "text": "Actually, it's it's an amazing journey full of adventure and, peacefulness, I would say." }, { "end_time": "4:26", "start_time": "4:19", "text": "We don't see too many Indians who think that way, in terms of just heading out into the Himalayas alone." }, { "end_time": "4:27", "start_time": "4:26", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "4:29", "start_time": "4:27", "text": "I've seen lots of people who head out in groups." }, { "end_time": "4:30", "start_time": "4:30", "text": "Correct." }, { "end_time": "4:30", "start_time": "4:30", "text": "Correct." }, { "end_time": "4:32", "start_time": "4:30", "text": "You know, head out for purposes." }, { "end_time": "4:37", "start_time": "4:32", "text": "I don't think I've met anyone who's goes out alone because I think being Indian is about being in a community." }, { "end_time": "4:38", "start_time": "4:37", "text": "I guess so." }, { "end_time": "4:39", "start_time": "4:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:42", "start_time": "4:39", "text": "So I'm very excited about this conversation." }, { "end_time": "4:44", "start_time": "4:42", "text": "I can't imagine everything that you've seen out there." }, { "end_time": "4:45", "start_time": "4:44", "text": "Uh-huh." }, { "end_time": "4:49", "start_time": "4:47", "text": "What's the most beautiful place you've seen in India?" }, { "end_time": "4:50", "start_time": "4:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:53", "start_time": "4:50", "text": "Also, I mean, the Indian Himalayas are really amazing." }, { "end_time": "4:58", "start_time": "4:53", "text": "So you go so I'm used to living in Chennai at sea level, but there you go up till 5000 meters." }, { "end_time": "5:00", "start_time": "4:58", "text": "You get these beautiful snow covered glaciers." }, { "end_time": "5:03", "start_time": "5:01", "text": "Himalayas are very seasonal." }, { "end_time": "5:03", "start_time": "5:03", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "5:06", "start_time": "5:03", "text": "The monsoon, the summer, the winter is quite different." }, { "end_time": "5:14", "start_time": "5:06", "text": "And, so I've actually started a large hiking group in Chennai called the Chennai Trekking Club for a decade." }, { "end_time": "5:16", "start_time": "5:14", "text": "So that was founded in 2008." }, { "end_time": "5:20", "start_time": "5:17", "text": "That thing grew pretty big to some 40,000 people." }, { "end_time": "5:23", "start_time": "5:20", "text": "It was like a non profit volunteer based organization." }, { "end_time": "5:25", "start_time": "5:24", "text": "40,000 people?" }, { "end_time": "5:26", "start_time": "5:25", "text": "40,000 people." }, { "end_time": "5:26", "start_time": "5:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:33", "start_time": "5:26", "text": "We did a lot of outdoor sports, triathlon, marathon, solitarans, a lot of environmental activities, social activities." }, { "end_time": "5:35", "start_time": "5:33", "text": "So that went on for the decades." }, { "end_time": "5:43", "start_time": "5:35", "text": "But then in the recent years it has been nice to step out of this group and kind of more get into like long solo journeys as you were a little bit older." }, { "end_time": "5:58", "start_time": "5:43", "text": "You kind of feel at ease just on your own and, yeah, seeing some of the really beautiful high altitude nature out there like glaciers and moraines, leopards, bears, and all those things." }, { "end_time": "6:00", "start_time": "5:58", "text": "Do you get happier as you age?" }, { "end_time": "6:02", "start_time": "6:01", "text": "I think you get more experience." }, { "end_time": "6:04", "start_time": "6:02", "text": "You get more wiser." }, { "end_time": "6:05", "start_time": "6:04", "text": "I'm 52 now." }, { "end_time": "6:11", "start_time": "6:06", "text": "I still feel I haven't reached the peak of my, mental and physical endurance." }, { "end_time": "6:17", "start_time": "6:11", "text": "I still ran 1 70 kilometer, last week from Chennai to Auroville to attend the marathon." }, { "end_time": "6:20", "start_time": "6:17", "text": "So I'm still feeling pretty good at this age." }, { "end_time": "6:21", "start_time": "6:20", "text": "You think you're getting physically better?" }, { "end_time": "6:22", "start_time": "6:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:24", "start_time": "6:22", "text": "I think physically you're getting stronger." }, { "end_time": "6:25", "start_time": "6:24", "text": "So it's not about sprint." }, { "end_time": "6:25", "start_time": "6:25", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "6:38", "start_time": "6:25", "text": "You might be good as a sprinter in your twenties thirties, but when you are older, you become better at endurance when you wanna push, like, say, run ultra races for, like, 40 hours, 2 days, 2 nights nonstop running." }, { "end_time": "6:42", "start_time": "6:38", "text": "You're much more stronger your body, after a couple of decades." }, { "end_time": "6:47", "start_time": "6:42", "text": "And also your mental endurance is so much stronger than somebody whole of your age." }, { "end_time": "6:51", "start_time": "6:47", "text": "You know, the older I get, the more I realize how much physical health matters." }, { "end_time": "6:55", "start_time": "6:52", "text": "And I started playing a lot of football again recently." }, { "end_time": "6:56", "start_time": "6:55", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "6:58", "start_time": "6:56", "text": "And I started getting these very bad injuries." }, { "end_time": "7:02", "start_time": "6:58", "text": "I got this horrible groin injury, because of it, I couldn't play anymore." }, { "end_time": "7:06", "start_time": "7:02", "text": "And then that made me think that, you know, my body is deteriorating after 30." }, { "end_time": "7:08", "start_time": "7:07", "text": "And I used to cry to my friends about it." }, { "end_time": "7:10", "start_time": "7:08", "text": "I used to cry on the show about it." }, { "end_time": "7:16", "start_time": "7:10", "text": "And then eventually, I met someone who said that eventually your body becomes what your mind wants it to become as long as you're putting in the work." }, { "end_time": "7:23", "start_time": "7:17", "text": "So tell that injury to heal, tell yourself that you're getting stronger, and tell yourself that you're still going to reach the ultimate version of yourself." }, { "end_time": "7:24", "start_time": "7:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:24", "start_time": "7:24", "text": "Correct." }, { "end_time": "7:31", "start_time": "7:24", "text": "I think after a certain push, after a certain amount of endurance, it's more of a mental thing than a physical thing." }, { "end_time": "7:33", "start_time": "7:32", "text": "Physics is important." }, { "end_time": "7:41", "start_time": "7:33", "text": "You need to get in a regular fitness routine, but, I think, the mind can push the body to do a lot, that you would think is not possible." }, { "end_time": "7:44", "start_time": "7:42", "text": "Has your life ever been in danger?" }, { "end_time": "7:46", "start_time": "7:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:12", "start_time": "7:46", "text": "Couple of times when you get lost in the Himalayas, it tends to be risky that you end up you lose the trail, you get lost, you try to make a move, forward, and then you end up with little fingertips hanging on the rocks coming down a vertical rock face trying to get back onto a proper trail where where you so it has been a couple of occasions that actually you feel the heartbeat in your throat as you hang like 50 meter above an almost vertical cliff." }, { "end_time": "8:14", "start_time": "8:13", "text": "So, yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:16", "start_time": "8:14", "text": "And the weather can also be threatening." }, { "end_time": "8:25", "start_time": "8:16", "text": "As you go higher to 4, 5, 6000 meters, the weather becomes, more volatile and more, life threatening sometimes in case it turns bad." }, { "end_time": "8:27", "start_time": "8:25", "text": "I wanna hear about the story in detail." }, { "end_time": "8:29", "start_time": "8:27", "text": "Tell me about both the stories." }, { "end_time": "8:30", "start_time": "8:29", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "8:30", "start_time": "8:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:31", "start_time": "8:30", "text": "Start with the first one." }, { "end_time": "8:32", "start_time": "8:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:39", "start_time": "8:32", "text": "So I mean a couple I've done, like, around 10,000 kilometer now, I think, over the last couple of years since I quit the job, across the HIM Alliance." }, { "end_time": "8:41", "start_time": "8:39", "text": "I've done a lot of mapping work also." }, { "end_time": "8:43", "start_time": "8:41", "text": "10,000 kilometers on foot." }, { "end_time": "8:43", "start_time": "8:43", "text": "On foot." }, { "end_time": "8:44", "start_time": "8:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:46", "start_time": "8:44", "text": "So and this is like pretty rough terrain." }, { "end_time": "8:49", "start_time": "8:46", "text": "It's not like walking along the marine drive in Mumbai." }, { "end_time": "8:55", "start_time": "8:49", "text": "It's like over big rocks and, more rains and scree and, sinking in snow till your waist." }, { "end_time": "8:57", "start_time": "8:56", "text": "So it's pretty intense." }, { "end_time": "8:59", "start_time": "8:57", "text": "You burn a lot of calories." }, { "end_time": "9:02", "start_time": "8:59", "text": "I'm saying this as a compliment, but you're a bit of a psycho." }, { "end_time": "9:03", "start_time": "9:02", "text": "I could be." }, { "end_time": "9:06", "start_time": "9:03", "text": "A bit more of a survivor and, taking it extreme." }, { "end_time": "9:08", "start_time": "9:06", "text": "And all all of that I do pretty minimalist." }, { "end_time": "9:17", "start_time": "9:08", "text": "So I just carry some 4, 5 KG on my back, very lightweight tints, like a bivy sack in which I sleep at night, small sleeping bag." }, { "end_time": "9:21", "start_time": "9:17", "text": "I usually only carry a t shirt and, and, shorts." }, { "end_time": "9:24", "start_time": "9:22", "text": "I just keep rinsing myself in the streams." }, { "end_time": "9:31", "start_time": "9:24", "text": "So going light ways is important because you have to go over the significant terrain, like very steep terrain, lot of climbing." }, { "end_time": "9:35", "start_time": "9:32", "text": "Like, last big hike was in Uttarakhand, 4 months." }, { "end_time": "9:40", "start_time": "9:35", "text": "I did some 2,000, kilometers, which is fine, but more than 2,000 kilometer." }, { "end_time": "9:42", "start_time": "9:40", "text": "It's your vertical climb." }, { "end_time": "9:49", "start_time": "9:42", "text": "I did some 1.2 lakhs vertical, elevation gain, which is like 18 times the height of Mount Everest." }, { "end_time": "9:53", "start_time": "9:50", "text": "So that would let you really feel in your quads and your calls." }, { "end_time": "9:59", "start_time": "9:55", "text": "In a day, usually on an average, how far do you walk?" }, { "end_time": "10:03", "start_time": "10:00", "text": "I try to kind of maximize my, use of the day." }, { "end_time": "10:09", "start_time": "10:03", "text": "So I wake up usually when the sunlight hits my tints, which means like 6, 7 o'clock in the morning." }, { "end_time": "10:14", "start_time": "10:09", "text": "And I usually walk for 12 hours till the sun sets, then it becomes really cold." }, { "end_time": "10:21", "start_time": "10:14", "text": "So by 6, 7 o'clock, I try to find a suitable campsite close to water, flat place where I can pitch up my tints." }, { "end_time": "10:29", "start_time": "10:21", "text": "And, so every day it's like for months altogether, 12 hours of steady walking, and it's not usually a trail." }, { "end_time": "10:43", "start_time": "10:29", "text": "As an explorer, actually, you go through a lot of rough terrain like scree, loose rocks, climbing on some vertical rocks to a mountain pass over, long glaciers or permanent ice sheets for kilometers and kilometers." }, { "end_time": "10:47", "start_time": "10:44", "text": "Sometimes in the winter you sink in the snow that everything is blanked out." }, { "end_time": "10:49", "start_time": "10:47", "text": "You don't see the trails anymore." }, { "end_time": "10:53", "start_time": "10:49", "text": "So then you need to be more experienced on navigation that you don't lose the way." }, { "end_time": "10:54", "start_time": "10:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:57", "start_time": "10:54", "text": "I mean, usually, I think so there's a couple of things." }, { "end_time": "11:02", "start_time": "10:57", "text": "Most people don't understand what even walking for 10 kilometers actually feels like." }, { "end_time": "11:03", "start_time": "11:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:07", "start_time": "11:04", "text": "I've done a 100 kilometer kind of racing once." }, { "end_time": "11:08", "start_time": "11:07", "text": "Wonderful." }, { "end_time": "11:11", "start_time": "11:09", "text": "And, my hips blew out." }, { "end_time": "11:14", "start_time": "11:11", "text": "My knees were destroyed and I was just 23 years old that time." }, { "end_time": "11:19", "start_time": "11:14", "text": "And that's when I understood what a 100 kilometers is as a distance as well." }, { "end_time": "11:28", "start_time": "11:19", "text": "And we did it in 36 hours, every 10 kilometers after the 50 kilometer mark felt easy." }, { "end_time": "11:33", "start_time": "11:28", "text": "But before the 50 kilometer mark, every 10 kilometers was very, very long." }, { "end_time": "11:38", "start_time": "11:33", "text": "And that's when I realized that even 10 kilometers is much longer than most people would think." }, { "end_time": "11:38", "start_time": "11:38", "text": "Correct." }, { "end_time": "11:39", "start_time": "11:38", "text": "Uh-huh." }, { "end_time": "11:43", "start_time": "11:39", "text": "Which is why I asked you this question in terms of roughly in kilometers." }, { "end_time": "11:46", "start_time": "11:43", "text": "How much do you walk in 12 hours roughly?" }, { "end_time": "11:47", "start_time": "11:46", "text": "I'm not trying to gauge your speed." }, { "end_time": "11:48", "start_time": "11:47", "text": "Day." }, { "end_time": "11:50", "start_time": "11:48", "text": "So it it all depends on the terrain around this." }, { "end_time": "11:56", "start_time": "11:50", "text": "Sometimes in Ladakh where the terrain is open and gradual, you can actually do 40, 50 kilometer in a single day." }, { "end_time": "11:56", "start_time": "11:56", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "12:05", "start_time": "11:56", "text": "You cannot run because at high altitude, you have 50% of the oxygen compared to sea level, plus you're carrying a shelter and a bag and food on your back." }, { "end_time": "12:14", "start_time": "12:05", "text": "But sometimes it's just like 15 kilometer in a day because you're hanging on some rock face, you're you're scrambling through thorns and bushes." }, { "end_time": "12:19", "start_time": "12:15", "text": "Bad weather is there so it's it's like a snow blizzard in your face at high altitudes." }, { "end_time": "12:24", "start_time": "12:20", "text": "So it all depends on the terrain and the weather actually how much, distance you can cover." }, { "end_time": "12:26", "start_time": "12:24", "text": "But at the end of the day, it's all the same." }, { "end_time": "12:32", "start_time": "12:26", "text": "Whether it's 15 or 50 kilometer, you would have burned some 7, 8,000 calories in a single day." }, { "end_time": "12:35", "start_time": "12:33", "text": "How do you replenish 7, 8,000 calories?" }, { "end_time": "12:40", "start_time": "12:36", "text": "A lot of, lot I mean, local organic homegrown food actually." }, { "end_time": "12:44", "start_time": "12:40", "text": "The food you get served by locals like the shepherds, they have these thick rotis." }, { "end_time": "12:46", "start_time": "12:44", "text": "2 of those thick rotis are enough." }, { "end_time": "12:51", "start_time": "12:46", "text": "They also put a lot of ghee, a lot of fat, I guess, on the subject that you eat." }, { "end_time": "13:07", "start_time": "12:51", "text": "And then there are if you get a cup of tea from freshly milk from the mountain goat who has been grazing these snow fed alpine metals, there is so much of nutrition in this natural food that, it quickly replenishes you and that you feel like, again, okay to proceed the next day." }, { "end_time": "13:13", "start_time": "13:07", "text": "How do all these experiences change your mind and your heart as you go forward in life?" }, { "end_time": "13:13", "start_time": "13:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:20", "start_time": "13:13", "text": "One thing that I've seen is, 50% of me is is about natural beauty that you encounter in the middle of nowhere." }, { "end_time": "13:22", "start_time": "13:20", "text": "It's it's about meditation and and peace." }, { "end_time": "13:25", "start_time": "13:22", "text": "But 50% of it is also like the people you encounter." }, { "end_time": "13:40", "start_time": "13:25", "text": "So these remote tribes, these nomadic tribes, buccarwalls, shepherds, people who live like in mud houses and, no electricity, no road, no no mobile Internet, so they don't have any facilities there." }, { "end_time": "13:44", "start_time": "13:40", "text": "People just live there with their buffalos or sheep in the middle of of a jungle." }, { "end_time": "13:49", "start_time": "13:45", "text": "So if you spend time with these people then you can actually appreciate, like, humanity more." }, { "end_time": "13:52", "start_time": "13:49", "text": "So these people are very innocent, very helpful." }, { "end_time": "13:54", "start_time": "13:52", "text": "They will give you warm hospitality." }, { "end_time": "13:59", "start_time": "13:54", "text": "In many cases, I end up sometimes sleeping in their bed while they sleep on the floor next to me." }, { "end_time": "14:06", "start_time": "13:59", "text": "So one thing I learned is that people who have very less materialistically, they have like a big heart." }, { "end_time": "14:13", "start_time": "14:06", "text": "They are like so amazing and it's nice to experience and see that humanity and much of it which we have lost in the city." }, { "end_time": "14:16", "start_time": "14:13", "text": "Because in the city it's all about a self enrichment." }, { "end_time": "14:18", "start_time": "14:16", "text": "We are running behind money all the time." }, { "end_time": "14:19", "start_time": "14:19", "text": "We are stressed." }, { "end_time": "14:25", "start_time": "14:20", "text": "People there really have like a pure soul and and really help each other." }, { "end_time": "14:29", "start_time": "14:27", "text": "That's the raw format of being a human being." }, { "end_time": "14:30", "start_time": "14:29", "text": "Correct." }, { "end_time": "14:30", "start_time": "14:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:32", "start_time": "14:30", "text": "We're not living in the raw format anymore." }, { "end_time": "14:43", "start_time": "14:33", "text": "I think there's too many distractions and too many, different priorities here compared to the people that are living amongst themselves in nature, just surviving in in very basic ways." }, { "end_time": "14:46", "start_time": "14:44", "text": "How do you communicate with them?" }, { "end_time": "14:47", "start_time": "14:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:48", "start_time": "14:47", "text": "So I'm not much of a language person." }, { "end_time": "14:50", "start_time": "14:48", "text": "My main base was Chennai." }, { "end_time": "14:53", "start_time": "14:50", "text": "Chennai is just English and Tamil, not even Hindi as you know." }, { "end_time": "14:55", "start_time": "14:54", "text": "So, I'm not too much." }, { "end_time": "14:59", "start_time": "14:55", "text": "So I know the basics for guidance, food, and shelters in Hindi." }, { "end_time": "15:05", "start_time": "14:59", "text": "You just say Kanaya or have some pani or some chai or whatever." }, { "end_time": "15:06", "start_time": "15:06", "text": "You pay them?" }, { "end_time": "15:08", "start_time": "15:07", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "15:10", "start_time": "15:08", "text": "Actually, I don't think they would appreciate it." }, { "end_time": "15:12", "start_time": "15:10", "text": "They actually don't use money over there also." }, { "end_time": "15:15", "start_time": "15:12", "text": "So people don't use have Google Pay or Cash." }, { "end_time": "15:23", "start_time": "15:16", "text": "Even the shepherds when they go for a bag of rice to the village nearby, so they stay there up for sometimes 4 or 5 months with their hearts grazing." }, { "end_time": "15:28", "start_time": "15:23", "text": "So they need to eat roti, tawa, atta, flour, and and rice." }, { "end_time": "15:32", "start_time": "15:28", "text": "So I think they also work more in an exchange way like the olden days." }, { "end_time": "15:32", "start_time": "15:32", "text": "So they system." }, { "end_time": "15:33", "start_time": "15:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:37", "start_time": "15:33", "text": "They give maybe one sheep and then they get 5 bags of rice in return." }, { "end_time": "15:41", "start_time": "15:38", "text": "So there's no money, use over there." }, { "end_time": "15:41", "start_time": "15:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:43", "start_time": "15:41", "text": "There are these are the people that I meet actually." }, { "end_time": "15:46", "start_time": "15:43", "text": "Can see some of the, the rough looking tribals there." }, { "end_time": "15:49", "start_time": "15:46", "text": "These are the typical people you find in Jammu and Kashmir." }, { "end_time": "15:51", "start_time": "15:50", "text": "I've stayed with them." }, { "end_time": "15:53", "start_time": "15:51", "text": "They're like they they look a little rough." }, { "end_time": "15:54", "start_time": "15:54", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "15:55", "start_time": "15:54", "text": "Because they live in the wild." }, { "end_time": "15:58", "start_time": "15:55", "text": "They live in pretty, harsh conditions sometimes." }, { "end_time": "16:04", "start_time": "15:58", "text": "But they are really, I mean, people the size of their heart, you will not find anyone in the city here." }, { "end_time": "16:09", "start_time": "16:05", "text": "Can you pull up, so Bakarwal Tribals are in Kashmir?" }, { "end_time": "16:10", "start_time": "16:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:12", "start_time": "16:10", "text": "But you can see Kashmiri, Bakarwal." }, { "end_time": "16:17", "start_time": "16:12", "text": "So I think a lot large, percentage of the population in Kashmir are actually nomadic tribes." }, { "end_time": "16:22", "start_time": "16:17", "text": "So these are the people indeed you meet, like, very, very nice people." }, { "end_time": "16:23", "start_time": "16:22", "text": "They are very less." }, { "end_time": "16:26", "start_time": "16:24", "text": "Kids will not go to schools." }, { "end_time": "16:29", "start_time": "16:26", "text": "Kids will just pick up the profession of that." }, { "end_time": "16:31", "start_time": "16:29", "text": "And, they go there with the whole family." }, { "end_time": "16:35", "start_time": "16:31", "text": "They will have some horses carrying their blankets and cooking gears." }, { "end_time": "16:46", "start_time": "16:35", "text": "The women will take care of the kids and the campsite and then the men will go out grazing in the surrounding meadows, the, the buffalos or the sheep or the whatever cattle they take along with them." }, { "end_time": "16:50", "start_time": "16:46", "text": "I can tell you, spend one night with these people and it will change your life." }, { "end_time": "16:51", "start_time": "16:50", "text": "How?" }, { "end_time": "17:04", "start_time": "16:52", "text": "I mean, their simplicity, their innocence, their niceness, their humanity, their soul has not been disturbed in any way by the modern day, things in in the cities, I would say." }, { "end_time": "17:08", "start_time": "17:04", "text": "Like the materialism, the money, and, yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:11", "start_time": "17:08", "text": "Do the do the kids think differently than the adults?" }, { "end_time": "17:17", "start_time": "17:11", "text": "They also again, I don't master Hindi too well, so I'm not able to have a deep conversation with them." }, { "end_time": "17:18", "start_time": "17:17", "text": "But they live very simple." }, { "end_time": "17:29", "start_time": "17:18", "text": "I mean, kids, even sheep get born there, they get put on the horse and they and the family and both the human family and the the animals expand as they sometimes come from pretty far." }, { "end_time": "17:35", "start_time": "17:29", "text": "Some of these people come from the plains and go all the way to the Himalayas over 100 of kilometers with the whole family, imagine." }, { "end_time": "17:41", "start_time": "17:36", "text": "Then they stay there the whole summer and then when this winter snow comes in by this September, they come back to the plains." }, { "end_time": "17:45", "start_time": "17:44", "text": "Have you ever eaten mutton?" }, { "end_time": "17:47", "start_time": "17:47", "text": "Half." }, { "end_time": "17:48", "start_time": "17:47", "text": "I mean, mutton is there." }, { "end_time": "17:51", "start_time": "17:48", "text": "Most of the people you meet there are actually vegetarians." }, { "end_time": "17:52", "start_time": "17:51", "text": "So Really?" }, { "end_time": "17:52", "start_time": "17:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:56", "start_time": "17:52", "text": "So they will only maybe you will only get mutton if one of the sheep dies." }, { "end_time": "18:06", "start_time": "17:57", "text": "Some of the sheep really die because of extreme weather and also some of the mountain passes they have to cross on the way to those meadows, those alpine meadows or like very treacherous." }, { "end_time": "18:08", "start_time": "18:07", "text": "So I met the shepherd once." }, { "end_time": "18:10", "start_time": "18:08", "text": "He had 700 sheep." }, { "end_time": "18:20", "start_time": "18:10", "text": "In one season usually around 50 sheep die because of extreme weather, very steep and rocky terrains or rocks fall down." }, { "end_time": "18:23", "start_time": "18:20", "text": "Sheep gets washed away in streams, wild streams." }, { "end_time": "18:29", "start_time": "18:23", "text": "Predators, like I was saying, nocturnal predators like, leopards will pick up a small goatee from the hearth." }, { "end_time": "18:34", "start_time": "18:30", "text": "So imagine, like, 10% kind of does not make it back alive at the end of the summer." }, { "end_time": "18:36", "start_time": "18:34", "text": "But these guys are mainly vegetarian?" }, { "end_time": "18:38", "start_time": "18:37", "text": "I think so." }, { "end_time": "18:39", "start_time": "18:38", "text": "Most of the people k." }, { "end_time": "18:40", "start_time": "18:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:40", "start_time": "18:40", "text": "This is mine." }, { "end_time": "18:44", "start_time": "18:40", "text": "These are the family that I stayed with last year somewhere in Jammu." }, { "end_time": "18:46", "start_time": "18:45", "text": "Very nice people." }, { "end_time": "18:48", "start_time": "18:46", "text": "I mean, it's, like, amazing." }, { "end_time": "18:49", "start_time": "18:48", "text": "You can see all smiling faces." }, { "end_time": "18:50", "start_time": "18:49", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "18:51", "start_time": "18:50", "text": "So so many on the faces?" }, { "end_time": "18:52", "start_time": "18:52", "text": "Very less." }, { "end_time": "18:55", "start_time": "18:52", "text": "But, the smiles you see there Wow." }, { "end_time": "19:03", "start_time": "18:55", "text": "Is much more than the the spoilt little kids in the city here, which have the Sony Playstations and YouTube." }, { "end_time": "19:05", "start_time": "19:03", "text": "These kids are just have actually nothing." }, { "end_time": "19:07", "start_time": "19:05", "text": "They have an old razzle." }, { "end_time": "19:10", "start_time": "19:07", "text": "It'll all be stained there because they cannot wash their clothes also." }, { "end_time": "19:12", "start_time": "19:10", "text": "And they're very happy." }, { "end_time": "19:24", "start_time": "19:12", "text": "I think it has to do with the fact that they are still, like, strongly connected with their natural surroundings and that they have not been diverted in in the modern day distractions, I guess." }, { "end_time": "19:27", "start_time": "19:24", "text": "The younger kid is so happy that you're taking his photo." }, { "end_time": "19:28", "start_time": "19:27", "text": "I guess so." }, { "end_time": "19:29", "start_time": "19:28", "text": "Older kid is a little suspicious." }, { "end_time": "19:30", "start_time": "19:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:30", "start_time": "19:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:33", "start_time": "19:30", "text": "That white guy, what is he doing here?" }, { "end_time": "19:33", "start_time": "19:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:37", "start_time": "19:33", "text": "We are in Jammu and Kashmir, so they have a bit of a political history." }, { "end_time": "19:42", "start_time": "19:37", "text": "Sometimes you also get picked up by a guy with a AK 47, so you have to be careful in GNK." }, { "end_time": "19:43", "start_time": "19:43", "text": "Fun." }, { "end_time": "19:44", "start_time": "19:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:48", "start_time": "19:44", "text": "We had experiences that, like in 2022, I think." }, { "end_time": "19:53", "start_time": "19:48", "text": "Me and another guy from Chennai, a bit of a tall guy with a long beard, we were hiking somewhere." }, { "end_time": "19:54", "start_time": "19:53", "text": "Indian guy?" }, { "end_time": "19:54", "start_time": "19:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:55", "start_time": "19:54", "text": "Indian guy from Chennai." }, { "end_time": "19:58", "start_time": "19:55", "text": "But he looks a little like a bit of a bearded guy." }, { "end_time": "20:07", "start_time": "19:58", "text": "And, so in one place, we are just walking and then, so gosh, Jengue has a bit of a political history." }, { "end_time": "20:07", "start_time": "20:07", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "20:14", "start_time": "20:07", "text": "So then one local police guy armed with an AK 47, he told us stop stop because he sees we are outsiders." }, { "end_time": "20:16", "start_time": "20:14", "text": "The faces are different than the locals." }, { "end_time": "20:21", "start_time": "20:16", "text": "And then when my buddy, so they said put down your back, sir." }, { "end_time": "20:24", "start_time": "20:21", "text": "We might carry some arms or anything in his understanding." }, { "end_time": "20:33", "start_time": "20:25", "text": "Then when my buddy tried to open his back, he got, like, worried that we would set off some explosive or so and he raised his gun and it was a bit tense." }, { "end_time": "20:49", "start_time": "20:33", "text": "But then once they know that you're really there, say, as just a nature lover hiker or so, Then at the end of the day, actually, we eventually end up in staying with the family of of the local, commissioner of police or somebody like that and getting amazing hospitality again." }, { "end_time": "20:55", "start_time": "20:49", "text": "The people are very nice, but sometimes I guess it's the troubled history that makes them a little nervous when they see an outsider." }, { "end_time": "20:57", "start_time": "20:55", "text": "Have you actually met terrorists as well?" }, { "end_time": "20:58", "start_time": "20:58", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "20:59", "start_time": "20:58", "text": "Surgeons?" }, { "end_time": "21:02", "start_time": "20:59", "text": "So my focus has been till, I would say, Jammu." }, { "end_time": "21:05", "start_time": "21:02", "text": "I haven't really gone to the sensitive border areas." }, { "end_time": "21:05", "start_time": "21:05", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "21:08", "start_time": "21:06", "text": "But this incident happened in Jammu?" }, { "end_time": "21:08", "start_time": "21:08", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:11", "start_time": "21:08", "text": "This was in Jammu, somewhere in Dola Dola District." }, { "end_time": "21:18", "start_time": "21:14", "text": "Is there danger from human beings out there sometimes when you're exploring?" }, { "end_time": "21:21", "start_time": "21:20", "text": "I don't really think so." }, { "end_time": "21:27", "start_time": "21:21", "text": "Again, as I told most of the people that roam there are nomads or like mountain tribes, locals." }, { "end_time": "21:29", "start_time": "21:27", "text": "I don't think like that." }, { "end_time": "21:35", "start_time": "21:29", "text": "I mean, terrorists, okay, in in the border areas are there, but I I don't think the criminals kind of hide in those specific areas." }, { "end_time": "21:47", "start_time": "21:35", "text": "So the people who the locals you encounter are, as I already told, very nice, very innocent, very helpful because they understand you're an outsider, you're trying to find your way in a very, difficult region." }, { "end_time": "21:57", "start_time": "21:48", "text": "So human beings compared to the human beings that I usually sometimes met in the big metros, it's like very safe and very very helpful." }, { "end_time": "22:00", "start_time": "21:57", "text": "The more remote, the more humane and the more helpful they'll be." }, { "end_time": "22:04", "start_time": "22:01", "text": "Not human beings, I would also not say white life." }, { "end_time": "22:08", "start_time": "22:04", "text": "Your most, potent enemy would be the the weather." }, { "end_time": "22:14", "start_time": "22:08", "text": "The weather when it turns bad, like you get into a snowstorm, you get into bad rain and winds." }, { "end_time": "22:23", "start_time": "22:14", "text": "Here it's fun to go on a monsoon trek in the Sahi Hadris, but if you get stuck there in bad weather it's a totally different story because it's like minus 10, minus 20." }, { "end_time": "22:26", "start_time": "22:24", "text": "Snow is hitting your face." }, { "end_time": "22:27", "start_time": "22:26", "text": "It's like freezing." }, { "end_time": "22:34", "start_time": "22:28", "text": "So shelter and being safe against the nature's fury at high altitude is is important." }, { "end_time": "22:40", "start_time": "22:34", "text": "So if it starts raining that the rain immediately turns into snow, hits your face, burns it up a little bit." }, { "end_time": "22:40", "start_time": "22:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:45", "start_time": "22:40", "text": "You have to be careful when the weather turns bad because at 5 dollars a meter, you're extremely exposed." }, { "end_time": "22:49", "start_time": "22:45", "text": "I mean, you you it's like it's like turning the dial d." }, { "end_time": "22:53", "start_time": "22:49", "text": "You have to amplify the impact of the weather as you go higher and higher." }, { "end_time": "22:58", "start_time": "22:53", "text": "A lot of people die actually mountaineers when they hang on these, when they climb those peaks." }, { "end_time": "23:02", "start_time": "22:58", "text": "Because they are exposed and they're hanging on a rope, they can't get away." }, { "end_time": "23:06", "start_time": "23:02", "text": "I usually try to keep myself, safe by keeping my feet on the trails." }, { "end_time": "23:17", "start_time": "23:06", "text": "So in case the weather turns bad, you can quickly come down to lower altitude, find like a rock or a cave or something where you can shelter for a day or 2 until the weather turns, good again." }, { "end_time": "23:21", "start_time": "23:18", "text": "That's a mechanism to safeguard your body." }, { "end_time": "23:21", "start_time": "23:21", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:25", "start_time": "23:21", "text": "Like that you try staying on the main trail rather than going off trail." }, { "end_time": "23:26", "start_time": "23:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:27", "start_time": "23:26", "text": "So I'm more of a hiker." }, { "end_time": "23:29", "start_time": "23:27", "text": "I'm not really a mountaineer who climbs peaks." }, { "end_time": "23:29", "start_time": "23:29", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "23:32", "start_time": "23:29", "text": "So mountaineering is is also pretty fame." }, { "end_time": "23:34", "start_time": "23:32", "text": "I'm pretty popular amongst the the youngsters." }, { "end_time": "23:38", "start_time": "23:34", "text": "I'm more of an explorer who kind of stays on the trail." }, { "end_time": "23:42", "start_time": "23:38", "text": "I just cross mountain passes that connect one valley to the next valley." }, { "end_time": "23:52", "start_time": "23:42", "text": "But if there is an issue that the weather turns bad quickly, you can kind of quickly come down the other trail to a lower altitude where the impact, the strength of the bad weather will be less." }, { "end_time": "23:59", "start_time": "23:52", "text": "Find a shelter like a rock shelter and sit out the bad weather until it, is becomes safe again to venture out." }, { "end_time": "24:02", "start_time": "24:00", "text": "Are you able to predict when the weather is going to get bad?" }, { "end_time": "24:03", "start_time": "24:02", "text": "It's difficult." }, { "end_time": "24:06", "start_time": "24:03", "text": "As you go higher, the weather becomes more volatile." }, { "end_time": "24:08", "start_time": "24:06", "text": "So where Randomly, quickly things happen." }, { "end_time": "24:10", "start_time": "24:08", "text": "You have those snow covered peaks." }, { "end_time": "24:10", "start_time": "24:10", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "24:13", "start_time": "24:10", "text": "And then as the sun rises during the day, it gets hotter." }, { "end_time": "24:21", "start_time": "24:13", "text": "There is some kind of interference that happens there between the planet and the skies, and it quickly changes especially in summer when the sun is hot." }, { "end_time": "24:23", "start_time": "24:21", "text": "Winter is more stable, the weather." }, { "end_time": "24:26", "start_time": "24:23", "text": "So then you can go through snow covered landscape." }, { "end_time": "24:28", "start_time": "24:27", "text": "Winter is more stable." }, { "end_time": "24:29", "start_time": "24:28", "text": "It's more stable." }, { "end_time": "24:29", "start_time": "24:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:31", "start_time": "24:29", "text": "There will be less because there is less heat, I think." }, { "end_time": "24:37", "start_time": "24:31", "text": "It's mostly the heat and the evaporation of the moist in the forest that causes a lot of turbulence at higher altitude." }, { "end_time": "24:50", "start_time": "24:38", "text": "So nothing like, a couple of months walking in the snow in winter with a blue sky, which is a beautiful contrast with the white snow, knowing that mostly it'll be, pretty stable, the winters." }, { "end_time": "24:52", "start_time": "24:50", "text": "What's the coldest you felt on one of these experiments?" }, { "end_time": "25:09", "start_time": "24:52", "text": "It all depends, like, sometimes you, usually you try to camp a little bit in the valley at lower altitude, but sometimes to capture that beautiful sunset or sunrise, you try to camp on top of a peak where you're fully exposed at 360 degrees, you're camping in frozen snow." }, { "end_time": "25:19", "start_time": "25:10", "text": "Sometimes I think it has been like you just pitch up your tent and immediately you see the frost forming on the inside of the sheet of the tent, like some minus 20 or so." }, { "end_time": "25:26", "start_time": "25:19", "text": "And then you need a good like sleeping bag, like a minus 12, minus 15 degrees sleeping bag to keep yourself warm." }, { "end_time": "25:32", "start_time": "25:27", "text": "Daytime is okay, I usually go in shorts, I will even sink in snow in shorts." }, { "end_time": "25:35", "start_time": "25:32", "text": "I will go through wild streams in shorts because you keep moving around view." }, { "end_time": "25:54", "start_time": "25:35", "text": "So your your body generates a lot of internal heat, but as soon as you pitch up your tent at the end of the night, the sun disappears behind the mountain, the temperature will drop from, say, 20 degrees to minus 10, and you really need to keep yourself warm and, until the sun, rises up again the next morning." }, { "end_time": "25:58", "start_time": "25:55", "text": "So recently, I went to Gulmarg and Kashmir." }, { "end_time": "25:59", "start_time": "25:58", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "25:59", "start_time": "25:59", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "26:02", "start_time": "25:59", "text": "The way to go to Gulmarg is you go to Srinagar first." }, { "end_time": "26:02", "start_time": "26:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:04", "start_time": "26:02", "text": "And then you drive up to Gulmarg." }, { "end_time": "26:08", "start_time": "26:04", "text": "So I went to Srinagar on the 3rd, and my family was supposed to arrive on the 4th." }, { "end_time": "26:09", "start_time": "26:08", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:14", "start_time": "26:09", "text": "But, it started snowing so much in Srinagar that my family couldn't make it to Srinagar." }, { "end_time": "26:14", "start_time": "26:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:18", "start_time": "26:14", "text": "So I was kind of stuck in Sri Nagar alone and I thought, okay, it's fine." }, { "end_time": "26:20", "start_time": "26:18", "text": "Let me go and explore good more." }, { "end_time": "26:24", "start_time": "26:20", "text": "When I went to Gulmar, I realized it's a bit of a ski town." }, { "end_time": "26:26", "start_time": "26:24", "text": "Like people go there to ski to snowboard." }, { "end_time": "26:36", "start_time": "26:27", "text": "Even the hotel I was at Shaw Inn to get out of that hotel, you had to be careful not to slip in the snow." }, { "end_time": "26:38", "start_time": "26:36", "text": "It wasn't simple to walk in the snow." }, { "end_time": "26:48", "start_time": "26:38", "text": "And this is the first time I was experiencing that depth of snow, on the way to Walmart, they make you stop at a rental place and, get these suits, I guess." }, { "end_time": "26:49", "start_time": "26:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:49", "start_time": "26:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:51", "start_time": "26:49", "text": "Buy those big jackets, which are under side." }, { "end_time": "26:53", "start_time": "26:51", "text": "I thought it must be much cooler up there." }, { "end_time": "26:53", "start_time": "26:53", "text": "That's fine." }, { "end_time": "26:56", "start_time": "26:53", "text": "But they also make you buy these tall boots." }, { "end_time": "26:57", "start_time": "26:56", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "27:02", "start_time": "26:57", "text": "And that was, a new thing for me because I've never experienced that height of snow." }, { "end_time": "27:06", "start_time": "27:03", "text": "Then the moment you reach Goulmer, you see all the snow around you." }, { "end_time": "27:08", "start_time": "27:06", "text": "So your first instinct is, Hey, I want to run-in the snow." }, { "end_time": "27:14", "start_time": "27:08", "text": "So started running in the snow, but because it was so deep, some of the snow entered the tall boot and it starts melting." }, { "end_time": "27:15", "start_time": "27:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:18", "start_time": "27:16", "text": "And then you realize, oh, my foot is feeling a little numb." }, { "end_time": "27:23", "start_time": "27:19", "text": "And then I realized, okay, that's why the, the tall boots exist in the first place." }, { "end_time": "27:36", "start_time": "27:24", "text": "If you try just wearing sneakers or something like that, even if the snow doesn't enter your sneakers, what ends up happening is that the sneaker becomes cold from underneath and the cold starts coming in from underneath." }, { "end_time": "27:36", "start_time": "27:36", "text": "Correct." }, { "end_time": "27:36", "start_time": "27:36", "text": "Correct." }, { "end_time": "27:42", "start_time": "27:37", "text": "So walking around and just being in snow is not as simple as It looks." }, { "end_time": "27:44", "start_time": "27:42", "text": "It looks on cartoon network." }, { "end_time": "27:47", "start_time": "27:46", "text": "It's a little more complex." }, { "end_time": "27:55", "start_time": "27:48", "text": "My first thought in Gulmar was good that my family didn't get this flight because there's a, you know, 2 year old child." }, { "end_time": "27:55", "start_time": "27:55", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "28:00", "start_time": "27:56", "text": "My sister's also not very big on, like, exploration and all that." }, { "end_time": "28:00", "start_time": "28:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:02", "start_time": "28:00", "text": "Like, you know, they've had their home bodies." }, { "end_time": "28:02", "start_time": "28:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:05", "start_time": "28:02", "text": "So that was my first thought, but my second thought was, wow, let's explore this." }, { "end_time": "28:08", "start_time": "28:05", "text": "Like, this is fun, but you need to know how to go through snow." }, { "end_time": "28:09", "start_time": "28:09", "text": "Correct." }, { "end_time": "28:14", "start_time": "28:09", "text": "The reason I'm bringing this up is I walked in about minus 14 degree temperature." }, { "end_time": "28:18", "start_time": "28:14", "text": "I did a 30 minute hike from one hotel to another Okay." }, { "end_time": "28:19", "start_time": "28:18", "text": "At 1 AM, 2 AM." }, { "end_time": "28:21", "start_time": "28:20", "text": "Oh, in the night?" }, { "end_time": "28:21", "start_time": "28:21", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:25", "start_time": "28:21", "text": "And they say that there are leopards and bears in the Gulmarg territory." }, { "end_time": "28:26", "start_time": "28:25", "text": "It's relatively safe." }, { "end_time": "28:26", "start_time": "28:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:27", "start_time": "28:26", "text": "But I was scared." }, { "end_time": "28:30", "start_time": "28:28", "text": "I was cold, but I was at peace." }, { "end_time": "28:31", "start_time": "28:30", "text": "I was enjoying myself." }, { "end_time": "28:32", "start_time": "28:31", "text": "Some dogs are walking with me." }, { "end_time": "28:33", "start_time": "28:32", "text": "It was fun." }, { "end_time": "28:38", "start_time": "28:33", "text": "I can't imagine what it's like on the top of a peak." }, { "end_time": "28:46", "start_time": "28:38", "text": "It gets more and sometimes you get, like, 30, 50 feet snow deposit in winter, which gets compacted into into ice." }, { "end_time": "28:54", "start_time": "28:46", "text": "And you can see that when you then explore in the next summer, you have these big ice bridges, snow bridges kind of they call it over the stream." }, { "end_time": "28:57", "start_time": "28:54", "text": "So where they still exist at the beginning of the summer." }, { "end_time": "28:58", "start_time": "28:57", "text": "So it's it's like massive." }, { "end_time": "28:59", "start_time": "28:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:00", "start_time": "28:59", "text": "And snow is fun." }, { "end_time": "29:02", "start_time": "29:00", "text": "Snow is usually a bit soft." }, { "end_time": "29:03", "start_time": "29:02", "text": "You get a grip." }, { "end_time": "29:13", "start_time": "29:03", "text": "But then the next morning when the snow is frozen and if you combine frozen snow, which is hard and slippery with, like, a steep, trail, then it becomes, quite tricky sometimes." }, { "end_time": "29:13", "start_time": "29:13", "text": "Dangerous." }, { "end_time": "29:14", "start_time": "29:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:16", "start_time": "29:14", "text": "Because you don't get grip on that anymore." }, { "end_time": "29:25", "start_time": "29:16", "text": "You need, like, an Isaac sometimes to cut your way, through those steep frozen snow gullies on the way to the mountain pass to the peak." }, { "end_time": "29:27", "start_time": "29:25", "text": "Have you come close to meeting a bear?" }, { "end_time": "29:28", "start_time": "29:28", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "29:32", "start_time": "29:28", "text": "Well, a couple of times both in Salts as well as in the Himalayas like a black bear." }, { "end_time": "29:35", "start_time": "29:32", "text": "Again, in Uttarakhand, a pretty wild place." }, { "end_time": "29:37", "start_time": "29:35", "text": "So, usually, bears will keep their distance." }, { "end_time": "29:39", "start_time": "29:37", "text": "They will not really come for you." }, { "end_time": "29:44", "start_time": "29:39", "text": "But this was a case where we are crossing like a mountain stream so it was a bit noisy." }, { "end_time": "29:51", "start_time": "29:44", "text": "I guess the bear didn't hear us coming and then we're climbing up on a small plateau and there the bear, I guess, was eating some berries." }, { "end_time": "29:54", "start_time": "29:51", "text": "He suddenly saw us, not too big." }, { "end_time": "29:56", "start_time": "29:54", "text": "I think it was like a younger animal." }, { "end_time": "29:59", "start_time": "29:56", "text": "And as soon as he saw us, actually he kind of moved away." }, { "end_time": "30:02", "start_time": "30:00", "text": "Still capable of taking your guts out." }, { "end_time": "30:02", "start_time": "30:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:02", "start_time": "30:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:03", "start_time": "30:02", "text": "Definitely." }, { "end_time": "30:13", "start_time": "30:03", "text": "In South India, for example, near Tirupati, the Venkateswarna National Reserve Forest there, we came face to face with a big one like, more like a benign one, bear." }, { "end_time": "30:17", "start_time": "30:13", "text": "And that guy was actually looking at us, so I guess he saw us coming." }, { "end_time": "30:22", "start_time": "30:17", "text": "He was not afraid because, he's he's pretty big and we were like small human beings." }, { "end_time": "30:30", "start_time": "30:23", "text": "So there we, obviously, best thing to do is not to run away because then he might think, okay, let me just run behind them and catch them." }, { "end_time": "30:32", "start_time": "30:30", "text": "So we kept holding ground." }, { "end_time": "30:32", "start_time": "30:32", "text": "We remained calm." }, { "end_time": "30:34", "start_time": "30:32", "text": "I told my guys, stay calm." }, { "end_time": "30:35", "start_time": "30:34", "text": "We'll just see." }, { "end_time": "30:36", "start_time": "30:35", "text": "And we were looking at each other." }, { "end_time": "30:39", "start_time": "30:36", "text": "We're standing in each other's eyes for about 30 seconds." }, { "end_time": "30:40", "start_time": "30:40", "text": "30 seconds?" }, { "end_time": "30:41", "start_time": "30:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:42", "start_time": "30:41", "text": "So he was thinking what to do." }, { "end_time": "30:46", "start_time": "30:42", "text": "Is this a threat to me or is this could this be a prayer for me?" }, { "end_time": "30:49", "start_time": "30:46", "text": "And finally then he decided to walk away." }, { "end_time": "30:55", "start_time": "30:50", "text": "I don't know why maybe we we didn't wash ourselves for almost 9 days that time." }, { "end_time": "30:57", "start_time": "30:55", "text": "So maybe the the smell of the human." }, { "end_time": "31:03", "start_time": "30:58", "text": "But that, yeah, sometimes a bit tense, but I think you need need to remain calm." }, { "end_time": "31:09", "start_time": "31:03", "text": "You cannot, appear offensive all, so you should not appear freight frightful towards animals." }, { "end_time": "31:13", "start_time": "31:09", "text": "Then they might know, okay, this guy is scared of me, they might come after you." }, { "end_time": "31:17", "start_time": "31:13", "text": "You know, I think that's what people don't understand about wild animals." }, { "end_time": "31:22", "start_time": "31:17", "text": "We call them wild, but I think people are much more wild than the animals." }, { "end_time": "31:27", "start_time": "31:22", "text": "We are the ones who have exterminated much much of the We're the most dangerous biodiversity." }, { "end_time": "31:28", "start_time": "31:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:30", "start_time": "31:28", "text": "We're the most dangerous animal out there." }, { "end_time": "31:32", "start_time": "31:30", "text": "So it's easy to call them wildlife." }, { "end_time": "31:38", "start_time": "31:32", "text": "I think we kind we call them wildlife because we have become so disconnected from the nature, from the natural habitat." }, { "end_time": "31:39", "start_time": "31:39", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "31:45", "start_time": "31:39", "text": "And we have so locked up in our concrete city that we are we kind of lost touch with the wilds." }, { "end_time": "31:48", "start_time": "31:46", "text": "Look at the muscle of these animals." }, { "end_time": "31:49", "start_time": "31:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:51", "start_time": "31:50", "text": "It's crazy." }, { "end_time": "31:53", "start_time": "31:51", "text": "You know, I mean, I meant to say undomesticated." }, { "end_time": "32:00", "start_time": "31:55", "text": "The thing is with deal, you know, the Indian goes, these things can easily kill you though." }, { "end_time": "32:01", "start_time": "32:00", "text": "Like physically speaking." }, { "end_time": "32:01", "start_time": "32:01", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:02", "start_time": "32:01", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:11", "start_time": "32:02", "text": "If you go too close or do something, but that's not what a lot of people assume until you've actually been to National Parks yourself and seen the size of these things." }, { "end_time": "32:11", "start_time": "32:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:15", "start_time": "32:11", "text": "Neil, guy, all these things are it can be dangerous to go up close to it." }, { "end_time": "32:16", "start_time": "32:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:16", "start_time": "32:16", "text": "Indeed." }, { "end_time": "32:19", "start_time": "32:18", "text": "Seen any snow leopards?" }, { "end_time": "32:20", "start_time": "32:20", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "32:21", "start_time": "32:20", "text": "Not snow leopards." }, { "end_time": "32:24", "start_time": "32:21", "text": "Only the the regular, the orange one, snow leopards." }, { "end_time": "32:30", "start_time": "32:24", "text": "I would have I think 100 snow leopards would have seen me, but I haven't seen them, unfortunately." }, { "end_time": "32:31", "start_time": "32:30", "text": "That's very elusive." }, { "end_time": "32:33", "start_time": "32:31", "text": "Plus your eye can't catch them easily." }, { "end_time": "32:33", "start_time": "32:33", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "32:38", "start_time": "32:33", "text": "I've I've seen like, like, those Ibexus mountain goats." }, { "end_time": "32:40", "start_time": "32:38", "text": "They they run on these vertical rock slopes." }, { "end_time": "32:41", "start_time": "32:40", "text": "It's amazing." }, { "end_time": "32:43", "start_time": "32:41", "text": "Then you have rocks coming down." }, { "end_time": "32:47", "start_time": "32:43", "text": "So even spotting those goats, they are so well camouflaged around here." }, { "end_time": "32:50", "start_time": "32:47", "text": "It's very difficult to spot them in their natural habitat." }, { "end_time": "32:52", "start_time": "32:50", "text": "Have you seen any of them falling off?" }, { "end_time": "32:56", "start_time": "32:53", "text": "They are like masters of of those vertical rock faces." }, { "end_time": "32:58", "start_time": "32:56", "text": "It's amazing how they simply run up and they run right." }, { "end_time": "32:59", "start_time": "32:58", "text": "They don't climb." }, { "end_time": "33:01", "start_time": "32:59", "text": "They run up a vertical rock face that you think." }, { "end_time": "33:03", "start_time": "33:01", "text": "How is it even possible?" }, { "end_time": "33:15", "start_time": "33:05", "text": "But I guess, yeah, they are the prey of these, leopards, so they need to be very agile and very speedy in these, steep, terrains actually to survive, obviously." }, { "end_time": "33:23", "start_time": "33:16", "text": "I've seen that carcass is like goats who have been killed probably by leopards and and whatever is left over then." }, { "end_time": "33:29", "start_time": "33:25", "text": "That leopard's body that you saw, you know, one with the flies in its eyes." }, { "end_time": "33:29", "start_time": "33:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:31", "start_time": "33:29", "text": "It was completely dead." }, { "end_time": "33:31", "start_time": "33:31", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "33:33", "start_time": "33:31", "text": "That was a recent thing." }, { "end_time": "33:36", "start_time": "33:33", "text": "So we I took the location and informed the forest department." }, { "end_time": "33:39", "start_time": "33:36", "text": "Usually, they wanna see if there is any poaching involved." }, { "end_time": "33:41", "start_time": "33:39", "text": "So those guys poaching up there?" }, { "end_time": "33:42", "start_time": "33:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:43", "start_time": "33:42", "text": "I mean, a leopard has a beautiful skin." }, { "end_time": "33:44", "start_time": "33:43", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "33:51", "start_time": "33:44", "text": "Just like they might poach the, the elephants for the teeth or the, tigers in south for some of the skin." }, { "end_time": "33:53", "start_time": "33:51", "text": "So there also is a potential." }, { "end_time": "34:00", "start_time": "33:53", "text": "So then the forest, I guess, department took the location, came there, like, took them a little bit of time to reach that location, very remote." }, { "end_time": "34:08", "start_time": "34:00", "text": "So they did kind of an autopsy and they kind of saw that it was more like a territorial dispute between 2, male leopards." }, { "end_time": "34:10", "start_time": "34:09", "text": "This was the one that had died." }, { "end_time": "34:10", "start_time": "34:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:12", "start_time": "34:10", "text": "I I could see some damage on the skin probably." }, { "end_time": "34:15", "start_time": "34:12", "text": "They had been, fighting over the territory." }, { "end_time": "34:18", "start_time": "34:16", "text": "Do they attack any of the humans?" }, { "end_time": "34:19", "start_time": "34:18", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "34:23", "start_time": "34:19", "text": "It's easier for a leopard to attack in, like, a small goatee compared to a human." }, { "end_time": "34:27", "start_time": "34:23", "text": "As a human, you're looking looking at a 5, 6 feet tall person." }, { "end_time": "34:37", "start_time": "34:27", "text": "They don't know how, harmless we are actually, how unprotected we are, but they probably just assess it by assesses by our height, I assume." }, { "end_time": "34:42", "start_time": "34:37", "text": "You know, it's like with 2 humans talking about leopards and we're saying they don't know how harmless we are." }, { "end_time": "34:45", "start_time": "34:42", "text": "I wonder if 2 leopards also talk about humans like that." }, { "end_time": "34:45", "start_time": "34:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:48", "start_time": "34:46", "text": "Because they don't know how harmless we are." }, { "end_time": "34:48", "start_time": "34:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:53", "start_time": "34:48", "text": "But they would still I mean, like, we have a reputation at Humanity." }, { "end_time": "34:53", "start_time": "34:53", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "34:59", "start_time": "34:53", "text": "There are also a lot of locals there, I think, who are hunting actually, like bears or white larvae just for food." }, { "end_time": "35:00", "start_time": "34:59", "text": "Really?" }, { "end_time": "35:01", "start_time": "35:00", "text": "So yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:01", "start_time": "35:01", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:09", "start_time": "35:01", "text": "I've seen, people in local villages who have guns not to protect but to hunt and and eat probably because that's what their forefathers used to do." }, { "end_time": "35:10", "start_time": "35:09", "text": "They eat bear meat?" }, { "end_time": "35:11", "start_time": "35:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:13", "start_time": "35:11", "text": "Wild meat is usually, quite tasty." }, { "end_time": "35:17", "start_time": "35:13", "text": "Even in Belgium, we used to eat wild meat from, the forests." }, { "end_time": "35:20", "start_time": "35:17", "text": "I mean, I've heard of people eating, like, deer meat." }, { "end_time": "35:21", "start_time": "35:20", "text": "Deer deer and so on." }, { "end_time": "35:23", "start_time": "35:21", "text": "But anything wild is is good." }, { "end_time": "35:26", "start_time": "35:23", "text": "Even my dad used to be a hunter in Belgium." }, { "end_time": "35:28", "start_time": "35:26", "text": "I mean, like, pheasants and geese and all that stuff." }, { "end_time": "35:33", "start_time": "35:28", "text": "And the foods, I mean, the taste of wild meat is much better than domesticated." }, { "end_time": "35:35", "start_time": "35:33", "text": "What does it taste like?" }, { "end_time": "35:35", "start_time": "35:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:37", "start_time": "35:35", "text": "It tastes much more intense." }, { "end_time": "35:37", "start_time": "35:37", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "35:43", "start_time": "35:37", "text": "Because these animals have been eating like, herbal plants, raw natural things." }, { "end_time": "35:46", "start_time": "35:43", "text": "They are not fed with, whatever we feed them in cages." }, { "end_time": "35:49", "start_time": "35:46", "text": "They have been running freely in the wild." }, { "end_time": "35:52", "start_time": "35:49", "text": "So the taste of the meat obviously is also better." }, { "end_time": "35:53", "start_time": "35:52", "text": "Same with shepherds." }, { "end_time": "36:07", "start_time": "35:53", "text": "Why do they take 100 or 1000 of sheeps in the meadows to graze the entire snow fed meadows during the summer because the quality of the meat and the milk is much better, than, what they would have if they grazed them near the village." }, { "end_time": "36:11", "start_time": "36:07", "text": "So you said, like, the bakarwals and all these guys are mostly vegetarian, like, once in a while." }, { "end_time": "36:12", "start_time": "36:11", "text": "That's all I see." }, { "end_time": "36:14", "start_time": "36:12", "text": "I mean, mostly they eat vegetarian foods." }, { "end_time": "36:18", "start_time": "36:14", "text": "I'm sure they can also eat meats, but I think meat is too precious for them." }, { "end_time": "36:23", "start_time": "36:18", "text": "They would rather sell the meats after grazing the animals and they become big very quick." }, { "end_time": "36:24", "start_time": "36:23", "text": "They multiply also." }, { "end_time": "36:30", "start_time": "36:24", "text": "I told you 50 animals die, but then maybe 200 new sheep get born during 4 months of summer grazing." }, { "end_time": "36:34", "start_time": "36:30", "text": "So they come back with fats big fat animals." }, { "end_time": "36:36", "start_time": "36:34", "text": "They sell them in the cities." }, { "end_time": "36:40", "start_time": "36:36", "text": "They come to Delhi, to Chandigarh, to Mumbai probably, the meats." }, { "end_time": "36:49", "start_time": "36:40", "text": "And, they are pretty happy, I guess, with vegetarian meals and getting some of the revenue from the, the the herd that they have fed up there." }, { "end_time": "36:50", "start_time": "36:49", "text": "The meat would be lamb." }, { "end_time": "36:51", "start_time": "36:50", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "36:51", "start_time": "36:51", "text": "Lamb." }, { "end_time": "36:51", "start_time": "36:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:52", "start_time": "36:51", "text": "Lamb." }, { "end_time": "36:56", "start_time": "36:52", "text": "Goat goat and sheep, both 2 different animals, goat and sheep." }, { "end_time": "36:57", "start_time": "36:56", "text": "Mutton and lamb." }, { "end_time": "36:58", "start_time": "36:57", "text": "Mutton and lamb, I guess." }, { "end_time": "36:58", "start_time": "36:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:59", "start_time": "36:59", "text": "Lamb." }, { "end_time": "37:02", "start_time": "37:00", "text": "And the Himalayas are full of that." }, { "end_time": "37:06", "start_time": "37:02", "text": "Between May till September, you go anywhere above the permanent settlements." }, { "end_time": "37:12", "start_time": "37:07", "text": "Anywhere above say 3,000 meter you will not find permanent settlements because there is too much of snow during the winter." }, { "end_time": "37:19", "start_time": "37:12", "text": "But then during the summer when the snow line goes up to 4, 5000 meter all these meadows are full width bugger walls and shepherds." }, { "end_time": "37:26", "start_time": "37:19", "text": "You can see beautiful this is like a dozen members, sheep gang coming down from the Churasi." }, { "end_time": "37:28", "start_time": "37:27", "text": "Pass in Chamba." }, { "end_time": "37:31", "start_time": "37:28", "text": "This is in Chamba, one of a a past 4000 meters." }, { "end_time": "37:34", "start_time": "37:31", "text": "I'm standing on a glacier here which is covered by snow." }, { "end_time": "37:39", "start_time": "37:34", "text": "You can see my Isaacs which I used to climb up those frozen, steep slopes." }, { "end_time": "37:43", "start_time": "37:39", "text": "And there's nobody there so I it's just me, myself, nobody." }, { "end_time": "37:45", "start_time": "37:43", "text": "All of a sudden I hear, baa." }, { "end_time": "37:46", "start_time": "37:45", "text": "Then I look, where where?" }, { "end_time": "37:54", "start_time": "37:46", "text": "And suddenly, I see one goatee coming and then after a while, the entire gang comes down And it's beautiful to see that." }, { "end_time": "37:55", "start_time": "37:54", "text": "Look at the meadows." }, { "end_time": "37:55", "start_time": "37:55", "text": "Look at that." }, { "end_time": "37:56", "start_time": "37:55", "text": "So this is what I'm saying." }, { "end_time": "38:00", "start_time": "37:56", "text": "This is where the shepherds take their animals, say, during summer." }, { "end_time": "38:10", "start_time": "38:00", "text": "So this is all covered in snow during winter, and as the summer comes, the snow melts and these meadows are full of nutritious herbal plants." }, { "end_time": "38:11", "start_time": "38:10", "text": "And lots of weed." }, { "end_time": "38:12", "start_time": "38:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "38:15", "start_time": "38:12", "text": "Weed is also there like in Malana in some places." }, { "end_time": "38:22", "start_time": "38:15", "text": "And then you can imagine if the animals are feeding on these meadows the entire summer, the the quality of the milk and meat is amazing." }, { "end_time": "38:32", "start_time": "38:23", "text": "The the Pirponjal which separates Lahaul from, Himachal, like a 5,000 meter high or rock wall, very treacherous." }, { "end_time": "38:40", "start_time": "38:32", "text": "I mean, crossing over this as a hiker is one thing, but crossing over this with a dozen sheep, you can imagine, is a different challenge for the shepherds." }, { "end_time": "38:46", "start_time": "38:40", "text": "You can see all the footsteps of the sheep inside and it and it's very steep, very dangerous." }, { "end_time": "38:50", "start_time": "38:46", "text": "You can see a small mandir there, a small colorful flag at the end." }, { "end_time": "39:02", "start_time": "38:50", "text": "So that's a small mandir where the shepherds will thank God for a safe passage because in case they get stuck here in bad weather at 5,000 meter, then maybe out of 1,000 sheep, 200 sheep might die." }, { "end_time": "39:05", "start_time": "39:02", "text": "They might simply get stuck, fall down, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "39:09", "start_time": "39:06", "text": "How do you how do you feel about the Mandirs that you come across?" }, { "end_time": "39:09", "start_time": "39:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "39:15", "start_time": "39:09", "text": "I think, people there are very religious, say, because they understand the overwhelming force of nature." }, { "end_time": "39:23", "start_time": "39:15", "text": "They understand that we are very small in in in front of nature, which can be very overwhelming in these high altitude, places." }, { "end_time": "39:27", "start_time": "39:23", "text": "If you go to the next slide, you can see some of these mountain tribes." }, { "end_time": "39:31", "start_time": "39:27", "text": "They live in these beautiful, wooden mud houses." }, { "end_time": "39:32", "start_time": "39:32", "text": "Zon?" }, { "end_time": "39:34", "start_time": "39:33", "text": "It's a single room." }, { "end_time": "39:38", "start_time": "39:34", "text": "They will cook, they will sleep, and they will, have a single room there." }, { "end_time": "39:39", "start_time": "39:38", "text": "This is in Himachal Pradesh?" }, { "end_time": "39:40", "start_time": "39:39", "text": "This is in Cham Bayam." }, { "end_time": "39:43", "start_time": "39:40", "text": "So there's those guys are called Gujars." }, { "end_time": "39:44", "start_time": "39:43", "text": "Gujars are mountain tribes." }, { "end_time": "39:46", "start_time": "39:44", "text": "They live together with their animals." }, { "end_time": "39:48", "start_time": "39:46", "text": "50% of the house is for humans." }, { "end_time": "39:52", "start_time": "39:48", "text": "50% of the houses where the small goaties, small buffalos will stay." }, { "end_time": "39:59", "start_time": "39:52", "text": "They keep them indoors again because in the night, predators are out there which might easily pick up these smaller animals." }, { "end_time": "40:00", "start_time": "39:59", "text": "Do they ever take children away?" }, { "end_time": "40:02", "start_time": "40:01", "text": "I don't think so." }, { "end_time": "40:06", "start_time": "40:02", "text": "Mostly they go for little, children will be safe with the adults inside." }, { "end_time": "40:11", "start_time": "40:07", "text": "And they will have dogs always, dogs to protect, whoever is there." }, { "end_time": "40:16", "start_time": "40:11", "text": "So they live very simple and if you come there as an outsider, they recognize, oh, okay." }, { "end_time": "40:17", "start_time": "40:16", "text": "This guy come." }, { "end_time": "40:20", "start_time": "40:17", "text": "This is the first outsider that I see in my entire life here." }, { "end_time": "40:22", "start_time": "40:20", "text": "So maybe this guy is lost." }, { "end_time": "40:23", "start_time": "40:22", "text": "They get a bit worried on you." }, { "end_time": "40:29", "start_time": "40:23", "text": "They will really take care of you like as you feel like a royal guest almost there." }, { "end_time": "40:31", "start_time": "40:29", "text": "They will give you a cup of chai." }, { "end_time": "40:32", "start_time": "40:31", "text": "They will feed you." }, { "end_time": "40:34", "start_time": "40:32", "text": "They will make you comfortable beds." }, { "end_time": "40:39", "start_time": "40:34", "text": "They will pack up some food the next day, and they will show you, the right way to the to the pause or something." }, { "end_time": "40:41", "start_time": "40:39", "text": "So amazing people." }, { "end_time": "40:43", "start_time": "40:41", "text": "What what food do you eat in Himachal Pradesh?" }, { "end_time": "40:47", "start_time": "40:44", "text": "Mostly like rotis in the evening and the rice midday." }, { "end_time": "40:50", "start_time": "40:47", "text": "They prepare With, like, a sabji?" }, { "end_time": "40:51", "start_time": "40:50", "text": "All kinds of sabji." }, { "end_time": "40:52", "start_time": "40:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "40:52", "start_time": "40:52", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "40:53", "start_time": "40:53", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "40:53", "start_time": "40:53", "text": "Gotcha." }, { "end_time": "40:57", "start_time": "40:54", "text": "Can you go to the next slide?" }, { "end_time": "40:59", "start_time": "40:57", "text": "I can hear those beautiful meadows." }, { "end_time": "41:00", "start_time": "40:59", "text": "This is in the Pangi Valley." }, { "end_time": "41:04", "start_time": "41:00", "text": "Pangi is a subdistrict of Chamba and it's part of Himachal Pradesh." }, { "end_time": "41:05", "start_time": "41:04", "text": "What month is this?" }, { "end_time": "41:08", "start_time": "41:05", "text": "This is in this you can see because the meadows are in full bloom." }, { "end_time": "41:11", "start_time": "41:08", "text": "This is in the summer somewhere in July, August." }, { "end_time": "41:13", "start_time": "41:11", "text": "We're at 4,000 meter altitude here." }, { "end_time": "41:21", "start_time": "41:13", "text": "If you come here, say, beyond September all the way till May, it will be completely covered in snow because it's 4,000 meters." }, { "end_time": "41:29", "start_time": "41:22", "text": "So as soon as the snow melts, you get these beautiful colors and as you go from lower to higher altitude the colors will change." }, { "end_time": "41:30", "start_time": "41:29", "text": "It's like a rainbow." }, { "end_time": "41:31", "start_time": "41:30", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "41:36", "start_time": "41:31", "text": "One flower will live, flourish at say 3,500 meter." }, { "end_time": "41:40", "start_time": "41:36", "text": "You go 200 meter higher, a pink flower comes, then a blue flower, then a red flower." }, { "end_time": "41:42", "start_time": "41:40", "text": "It's like walking on a rainbow." }, { "end_time": "41:43", "start_time": "41:42", "text": "Really beautiful." }, { "end_time": "41:47", "start_time": "41:45", "text": "Have you have you ever eaten any of the flowers?" }, { "end_time": "41:48", "start_time": "41:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "41:51", "start_time": "41:48", "text": "So I know a couple of flowers like in Ladakh, for example." }, { "end_time": "41:59", "start_time": "41:51", "text": "If you run out of water or food, you can help yourself with some of the natural flowers that you know are edible." }, { "end_time": "42:01", "start_time": "41:59", "text": "So I know a couple of flowers there which you could collect." }, { "end_time": "42:07", "start_time": "42:01", "text": "You could, cook them into a sub g and survive in case you can run out of food ration." }, { "end_time": "42:08", "start_time": "42:07", "text": "What is the base like?" }, { "end_time": "42:10", "start_time": "42:09", "text": "That was pretty good." }, { "end_time": "42:18", "start_time": "42:10", "text": "Sometimes even in the villages, like even in Manali, a touristic place, you can order some of those local, fetched up plants from the Meadows, taste." }, { "end_time": "42:20", "start_time": "42:18", "text": "So, you know, just like a vegetable sub g." }, { "end_time": "42:21", "start_time": "42:21", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "42:21", "start_time": "42:21", "text": "Gotcha." }, { "end_time": "42:24", "start_time": "42:22", "text": "Like, here you can see those steep rock faces." }, { "end_time": "42:32", "start_time": "42:24", "text": "This is the Marghu Pass and the Pirpanjal separating Lahore from Jamba, where again, some 5 700 sheep come down very, very steep." }, { "end_time": "42:40", "start_time": "42:32", "text": "It'll just be like a labyrinth, a small little place where they can come down through, these vertical, rock faces." }, { "end_time": "42:43", "start_time": "42:43", "text": "Voila." }, { "end_time": "42:50", "start_time": "42:43", "text": "These are the the guys, the tribe the tribals, like, the Gujars smiling faces like you saw with the kids earlier." }, { "end_time": "42:51", "start_time": "42:50", "text": "They have nothing." }, { "end_time": "42:52", "start_time": "42:51", "text": "They just have a wooden stick." }, { "end_time": "42:54", "start_time": "42:52", "text": "They have a 60 rupee rubber shoe." }, { "end_time": "42:59", "start_time": "42:54", "text": "So we'll come there sometimes with our fancy camping gears and fancy shoes." }, { "end_time": "43:06", "start_time": "42:59", "text": "But these guys, they will easily tame this, terrain and in very simple, they will have a woolen blanket." }, { "end_time": "43:10", "start_time": "43:07", "text": "And as soon as they see you, you can see a big smiling face." }, { "end_time": "43:16", "start_time": "43:10", "text": "You will you will try to pass on, but they will be really insisting no no no tonight you stay with us." }, { "end_time": "43:19", "start_time": "43:16", "text": "And they'll start cooking for you and feeding you." }, { "end_time": "43:20", "start_time": "43:20", "text": "They will run off." }, { "end_time": "43:21", "start_time": "43:20", "text": "They will find the goat." }, { "end_time": "43:30", "start_time": "43:21", "text": "They will start milking the goat, prepare tea fresh from the goat, and it will taste like unlike any tea you taste in, stinker milk." }, { "end_time": "43:31", "start_time": "43:30", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "43:32", "start_time": "43:31", "text": "Milk will be very good." }, { "end_time": "43:32", "start_time": "43:32", "text": "Milk." }, { "end_time": "43:41", "start_time": "43:32", "text": "And sometimes if you go with, like, the Bakarwals who are herding buffalos, the energy you get from a cup of buffalo milk or tea is, like, extraordinary." }, { "end_time": "43:43", "start_time": "43:42", "text": "It's, like, amazing." }, { "end_time": "43:43", "start_time": "43:43", "text": "Like, what?" }, { "end_time": "43:44", "start_time": "43:43", "text": "Do you feel charged?" }, { "end_time": "43:44", "start_time": "43:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "43:48", "start_time": "43:44", "text": "You feel, like, the nutrition in in in buffalo milk is amazing." }, { "end_time": "43:52", "start_time": "43:49", "text": "Especially at that altitude, it must be creating a lot of heat." }, { "end_time": "43:52", "start_time": "43:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "43:53", "start_time": "43:52", "text": "Indeed." }, { "end_time": "43:54", "start_time": "43:53", "text": "You have been excellent." }, { "end_time": "43:56", "start_time": "43:54", "text": "This is a typical mountain pass." }, { "end_time": "43:59", "start_time": "43:56", "text": "It's like like a passage you can say from one world to another world." }, { "end_time": "44:05", "start_time": "44:00", "text": "So you cross some mountain range, here the Chobia Pass, connecting Lahore with Chamba Valley." }, { "end_time": "44:09", "start_time": "44:05", "text": "Down there, you can see a massive glacier, a very dangerous one." }, { "end_time": "44:11", "start_time": "44:09", "text": "It's full of crevices, those deep cuts." }, { "end_time": "44:15", "start_time": "44:12", "text": "If you Have you ever had a fall or anything?" }, { "end_time": "44:15", "start_time": "44:15", "text": "In a crevice?" }, { "end_time": "44:17", "start_time": "44:15", "text": "So as a solo hiker, it's a bit risky." }, { "end_time": "44:18", "start_time": "44:17", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "44:21", "start_time": "44:18", "text": "Because in case you fall in a crevice, there's nobody to save you." }, { "end_time": "44:23", "start_time": "44:21", "text": "There's nobody even know that you're stuck somewhere." }, { "end_time": "44:27", "start_time": "44:24", "text": "Usually when you walk across a glacier, you will use ropes to rope up." }, { "end_time": "44:31", "start_time": "44:27", "text": "If one of the guys slips inside, the other guys can pull them out." }, { "end_time": "44:37", "start_time": "44:31", "text": "So going solo and some of these glaciers are covered in snow which means you don't even see the cuts in the crevices." }, { "end_time": "44:39", "start_time": "44:38", "text": "Crevices are formed by melt water." }, { "end_time": "44:49", "start_time": "44:40", "text": "So then use your hiking poles, you have to keep pushing under the snow whether there is any sudden hole under the snow, a bit tricky, and, find a way around it." }, { "end_time": "44:52", "start_time": "44:51", "text": "So but yeah, it's interesting." }, { "end_time": "44:54", "start_time": "44:52", "text": "Those glaciers are again unique." }, { "end_time": "44:57", "start_time": "44:54", "text": "You will only find them at 4,500, meter and above." }, { "end_time": "45:01", "start_time": "44:58", "text": "And it's amazing to walk on like an ice sheet, a permanent ice." }, { "end_time": "45:03", "start_time": "45:01", "text": "This has been there for 10000 years." }, { "end_time": "45:05", "start_time": "45:03", "text": "Imagine permanently frozen snow." }, { "end_time": "45:11", "start_time": "45:05", "text": "It's like 20 kilometer long, 1 kilometer wide, and it's like a different world that you're walking on." }, { "end_time": "45:12", "start_time": "45:11", "text": "It's a world of ice." }, { "end_time": "45:20", "start_time": "45:13", "text": "So really, back here you can see the shepherds getting down the Kuukti Pass in Chamba Valley." }, { "end_time": "45:26", "start_time": "45:20", "text": "It's like 1 kilometer of, sheep in front of him because, right, it's dows and sheep, right, and there is a small little trail." }, { "end_time": "45:29", "start_time": "45:26", "text": "So it's like sometimes 1 or 2 kilometer long." }, { "end_time": "45:32", "start_time": "45:30", "text": "And you can see it's a dog there." }, { "end_time": "45:39", "start_time": "45:32", "text": "The dog who is gonna protect the, sheep from, like, leopards and other, predators." }, { "end_time": "45:40", "start_time": "45:40", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "45:44", "start_time": "45:42", "text": "I'm having a lot of fun speaking with you." }, { "end_time": "45:46", "start_time": "45:44", "text": "Come once, happy to the Himalayas." }, { "end_time": "45:48", "start_time": "45:46", "text": "I can take you for a nice hike." }, { "end_time": "45:48", "start_time": "45:48", "text": "Happy to." }, { "end_time": "45:49", "start_time": "45:48", "text": "Happy to." }, { "end_time": "45:51", "start_time": "45:49", "text": "I'm I'm always open to going for hikes." }, { "end_time": "45:54", "start_time": "45:51", "text": "It's when the mountaineers invite me that I get a little scared." }, { "end_time": "45:55", "start_time": "45:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:57", "start_time": "45:55", "text": "Because I feel like mountaineers are a little bit extreme." }, { "end_time": "45:59", "start_time": "45:57", "text": "You know, they're pros ropes and stuff." }, { "end_time": "46:02", "start_time": "45:59", "text": "So I keep my feet on the ground, so you don't have to worry." }, { "end_time": "46:06", "start_time": "46:02", "text": "We'll always have both feet on the ground and gives you a more reassuring feeling." }, { "end_time": "46:06", "start_time": "46:06", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "46:07", "start_time": "46:06", "text": "Happy to." }, { "end_time": "46:09", "start_time": "46:07", "text": "You know, you're showing me all these photos." }, { "end_time": "46:09", "start_time": "46:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:12", "start_time": "46:09", "text": "And the question that's ringing in my head is about Yetis." }, { "end_time": "46:13", "start_time": "46:12", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "46:13", "start_time": "46:13", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "46:15", "start_time": "46:13", "text": "It's actually one of the themes on the show." }, { "end_time": "46:16", "start_time": "46:15", "text": "We keep bringing up the Yeti." }, { "end_time": "46:19", "start_time": "46:18", "text": "How do you feel about the subject?" }, { "end_time": "46:20", "start_time": "46:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:22", "start_time": "46:20", "text": "Yetis, I've also heard about it." }, { "end_time": "46:26", "start_time": "46:22", "text": "The the big giant which hasn't been spotted, I guess." }, { "end_time": "46:32", "start_time": "46:27", "text": "I think I saw some article in the news a couple of years ago that the army saw some big footsteps somewhere." }, { "end_time": "46:35", "start_time": "46:32", "text": "I think I've also seen similar things." }, { "end_time": "46:41", "start_time": "46:35", "text": "So what usually happens is when you walk in snow, initially, the footprint will just be the size of your foot." }, { "end_time": "46:54", "start_time": "46:42", "text": "But as the snow melts during the day and it freezes during the night, actually, the food can expand so that it looks like a bigger footprint in the snow and that you might think, oh, some kind of giant has walked across here." }, { "end_time": "46:58", "start_time": "46:54", "text": "You've seen so much of the mountains, so much of the mountains." }, { "end_time": "47:06", "start_time": "46:58", "text": "It's beautiful actually and imagine if you go for really months altogether Ranveer, and every day is is like a step into the unknown." }, { "end_time": "47:06", "start_time": "47:06", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "47:07", "start_time": "47:06", "text": "You don't know where you're gonna end up." }, { "end_time": "47:09", "start_time": "47:07", "text": "You don't know where you're gonna sleep." }, { "end_time": "47:11", "start_time": "47:09", "text": "You don't know whether you're gonna find food." }, { "end_time": "47:13", "start_time": "47:11", "text": "You see beautiful pictures of the Sahyadris there." }, { "end_time": "47:18", "start_time": "47:13", "text": "In 2019, I was able to cover 200 forts in just 2 months." }, { "end_time": "47:20", "start_time": "47:18", "text": "Do you like exploring the Sahyadris as well?" }, { "end_time": "47:24", "start_time": "47:20", "text": "Sahyadris are perfect during the winter, so come get." }, { "end_time": "47:28", "start_time": "47:24", "text": "This is, you know, some of those beautiful water bodies with one of my buddies." }, { "end_time": "47:34", "start_time": "47:29", "text": "The beauty of the Sahyadris is it's it's naturally, it's beautiful just like the Himalayas, but you have that rich history." }, { "end_time": "47:40", "start_time": "47:34", "text": "All these, like, forts out there, and every fort has a story, right, of some conquest." }, { "end_time": "47:45", "start_time": "47:41", "text": "So I've done a lot of mapping and exploration in the Sahaja region also." }, { "end_time": "47:46", "start_time": "47:45", "text": "How do you how do you feel inside the forts?" }, { "end_time": "47:47", "start_time": "47:47", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:54", "start_time": "47:47", "text": "It gives you something, right, to step on a rock, cut, step somewhere that was cut out there like 4 centuries ago." }, { "end_time": "47:58", "start_time": "47:54", "text": "Many of these forts date from the 16th, 17th century, I understand." }, { "end_time": "48:09", "start_time": "47:59", "text": "So it it has something magical actually that you walk on like a century old path that was carved out through the forest, and it's it's a little bit different." }, { "end_time": "48:13", "start_time": "48:09", "text": "Like, the geography here is more like, volcanic geography." }, { "end_time": "48:17", "start_time": "48:13", "text": "I I think Sahayadris were farmed there with, like, some 20 layers of volcanic eruptions." }, { "end_time": "48:24", "start_time": "48:18", "text": "So you get these beautiful, like, vertical cliffs where the Deccan Plateau drops down into the Konkan foothills." }, { "end_time": "48:25", "start_time": "48:25", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "48:41", "start_time": "48:25", "text": "And similar to the Himalayas, so here I used to go with a small backpack for 2 months continuously and stay during the night in some of these small, little hamlets, farming hamlets at the base of the forts, and then again experiencing really warm hospitality." }, { "end_time": "48:57", "start_time": "48:41", "text": "I still remember at the base of one of the forts where, again, I was trying to just settle down in a small temple in the center of the village and people actually came to the temple, they picked me up, took them into my into their house, gave me a bucket of hot water to take a shower after almost a week." }, { "end_time": "49:06", "start_time": "48:58", "text": "And then they insisted after feeding me, there was only one bed there, but I sleep in the beds and they were sleeping on the floor next to me, which made me feel very guilty." }, { "end_time": "49:10", "start_time": "49:08", "text": "So I mean it's really heartwarming." }, { "end_time": "49:14", "start_time": "49:11", "text": "A little bit of technical stuff here in the Sandon Valley." }, { "end_time": "49:18", "start_time": "49:14", "text": "So Have you ever slipped during your rock climbing sessions?" }, { "end_time": "49:18", "start_time": "49:18", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:24", "start_time": "49:18", "text": "So I've done, like, as I said, some 10000 kilometer roughly just in the last couple of years itself across the Himalayas." }, { "end_time": "49:31", "start_time": "49:24", "text": "The terrain can be steep and dangerous, but I think, before this, I was a bit of an ultra runner." }, { "end_time": "49:35", "start_time": "49:31", "text": "I used to run, like, 4,000 kilometer every year in the mountains in south." }, { "end_time": "49:41", "start_time": "49:35", "text": "So I think the legs are pretty strong and I haven't had any ankle, ankle twist or anything." }, { "end_time": "49:44", "start_time": "49:41", "text": "I haven't gone in any, 1 28 hour experience." }, { "end_time": "49:46", "start_time": "49:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:48", "start_time": "49:46", "text": "You're a very interesting man, Peter." }, { "end_time": "49:48", "start_time": "49:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:52", "start_time": "49:48", "text": "I mean, it's, you have to realize I think 2 things." }, { "end_time": "49:54", "start_time": "49:52", "text": "1, life is short, number 1." }, { "end_time": "49:58", "start_time": "49:54", "text": "And secondly, nature that we live on a very beautiful planet." }, { "end_time": "50:00", "start_time": "49:58", "text": "People don't realize it." }, { "end_time": "50:06", "start_time": "50:00", "text": "So, don't really focus too much on career and work until you're old and it's too late." }, { "end_time": "50:13", "start_time": "50:06", "text": "Try to take a break and explore and, really, experience some of this beautiful match nature out there." }, { "end_time": "50:14", "start_time": "50:13", "text": "It's it's really amazing." }, { "end_time": "50:18", "start_time": "50:15", "text": "What goes on in your mind when you see all those stars up there?" }, { "end_time": "50:19", "start_time": "50:18", "text": "Look at this again." }, { "end_time": "50:20", "start_time": "50:19", "text": "It's like beautiful." }, { "end_time": "50:22", "start_time": "50:20", "text": "You see clouds of stars there." }, { "end_time": "50:22", "start_time": "50:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "50:23", "start_time": "50:22", "text": "That's what I told you." }, { "end_time": "50:30", "start_time": "50:23", "text": "When you sleep and it's just you, the campfire, and and the Milky Way on top of you, you you feel like some cosmic connection." }, { "end_time": "50:39", "start_time": "50:30", "text": "Actually, I'm I told you I'm not a religious person, but at that moment, you feel like there is something out there, there is some force out there in which is bigger than all of us." }, { "end_time": "50:43", "start_time": "50:39", "text": "And and I think all of us are connected with some kind of invisible energy." }, { "end_time": "50:45", "start_time": "50:44", "text": "And you can really feel that." }, { "end_time": "50:48", "start_time": "50:45", "text": "I mean, just that it's like you're pretty close." }, { "end_time": "50:49", "start_time": "50:48", "text": "You're at 4, 5000 meter." }, { "end_time": "50:56", "start_time": "50:49", "text": "You see the beautiful stars on top of you, and you kind of feel some connection that you're part of something bigger." }, { "end_time": "51:00", "start_time": "50:58", "text": "It's difficult to explain but No." }, { "end_time": "51:01", "start_time": "51:00", "text": "I I understand what you're saying." }, { "end_time": "51:08", "start_time": "51:01", "text": "You feel some raw energy that that you cannot feel here because there is too many layers of human, interference there." }, { "end_time": "51:23", "start_time": "51:08", "text": "You're actually in a in a piece of the planet which has not been touched by the modern human hand and you can still experience that raw connection with look at these beautiful pictures at night with the stars on top of you and yeah." }, { "end_time": "51:27", "start_time": "51:23", "text": "I mean, live in the wild is is something that everybody should experience." }, { "end_time": "51:28", "start_time": "51:27", "text": "I think it's a must." }, { "end_time": "51:30", "start_time": "51:28", "text": "You can see some of the forts in the Sahyadris." }, { "end_time": "51:33", "start_time": "51:31", "text": "You can see the guys with the AK 47." }, { "end_time": "51:37", "start_time": "51:34", "text": "So 2,022, I did some 1,000 kilometer in Jammu." }, { "end_time": "51:46", "start_time": "51:39", "text": "So all fine, but as soon as you come towards GNK, I would have ended up in this is like 2 months." }, { "end_time": "51:55", "start_time": "51:46", "text": "I would have ended up some 10 times either in a police station or in an army check post and all friendly people, but, yeah, it's a bit kind of difficult." }, { "end_time": "51:55", "start_time": "51:55", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "52:01", "start_time": "51:55", "text": "You're you're in a 100 kilometer traverse and then some shepherd will say there's a foreigner here." }, { "end_time": "52:04", "start_time": "52:01", "text": "I mean, not a foreigner, an outsider here roaming around there." }, { "end_time": "52:06", "start_time": "52:04", "text": "What is this guy doing here?" }, { "end_time": "52:10", "start_time": "52:06", "text": "Then they pick you up and they take you to a police station 5 up where it's down the valley." }, { "end_time": "52:12", "start_time": "52:11", "text": "So you lose the momentum." }, { "end_time": "52:20", "start_time": "52:13", "text": "This whole episode has been about getting to understand what the human mind and body are actually meant to do." }, { "end_time": "52:21", "start_time": "52:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:22", "start_time": "52:21", "text": "We're meant to be out in nature." }, { "end_time": "52:26", "start_time": "52:22", "text": "That's how our bodies have evolved to be hunter gatherers, to be nomadic." }, { "end_time": "52:27", "start_time": "52:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:27", "start_time": "52:27", "text": "That's it." }, { "end_time": "52:29", "start_time": "52:27", "text": "That's today's episode, Peter." }, { "end_time": "52:29", "start_time": "52:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:34", "start_time": "52:30", "text": "Any message for all the people watching this completely fascinated by your reality?" }, { "end_time": "52:34", "start_time": "52:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:35", "start_time": "52:34", "text": "I would say take a break." }, { "end_time": "52:37", "start_time": "52:35", "text": "Sometimes, guys, don't be too much focused." }, { "end_time": "52:40", "start_time": "52:37", "text": "Keep, life work balance." }, { "end_time": "52:43", "start_time": "52:40", "text": "Sometimes take a break, and please come join me in the Himalayas." }, { "end_time": "52:47", "start_time": "52:43", "text": "I also teach twice a year, like in Manali, a one week course." }, { "end_time": "52:58", "start_time": "52:47", "text": "You're welcome to join my alpine field boot camp where I can teach you some of these survival skills, map reading, navigation skills so that you can also pick up a bag and head out into the wild." }, { "end_time": "53:00", "start_time": "52:59", "text": "And spot some Yetis maybe." }, { "end_time": "53:00", "start_time": "53:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "53:03", "start_time": "53:00", "text": "Maybe find the Yeti, the elusive Yeti." }, { "end_time": "53:05", "start_time": "53:03", "text": "Peter Van Geet, thank you." }, { "end_time": "53:06", "start_time": "53:05", "text": "Appreciate your time." }, { "end_time": "53:07", "start_time": "53:06", "text": "Appreciate your presence." }, { "end_time": "53:08", "start_time": "53:07", "text": "Nice to be here." }, { "end_time": "53:08", "start_time": "53:08", "text": "Thanks, Ramit." }, { "end_time": "53:09", "start_time": "53:08", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "53:09", "start_time": "53:09", "text": "Thank you, brother." }, { "end_time": "53:10", "start_time": "53:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "53:13", "start_time": "53:10", "text": "That was the episode for today, ladies and gentlemen." }, { "end_time": "53:17", "start_time": "53:13", "text": "I'm always looking out for guests like this who are slightly alternate." }, { "end_time": "53:22", "start_time": "53:18", "text": "I'm always looking for guests who have something fresh to bring to the table." }, { "end_time": "53:29", "start_time": "53:23", "text": "I do believe that the Indian podcast space is booming, but I also believe that people are not reinventing the space." }, { "end_time": "53:37", "start_time": "53:29", "text": "People are only bringing the same kind of conversations, which is the thinking behind this particular episode or episodes like this in general." }, { "end_time": "53:39", "start_time": "53:37", "text": "It's such a breath of fresh air." }, { "end_time": "53:39", "start_time": "53:39", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "53:41", "start_time": "53:39", "text": "So tell me what you thought of this one." }, { "end_time": "53:50", "start_time": "53:41", "text": "Do suggest guests like these if you know people like this within the realms of India, and please tell me what you thought of today's conversation." }, { "end_time": "53:52", "start_time": "53:50", "text": "Share it with all your friends." }, { "end_time": "53:54", "start_time": "53:52", "text": "Peter Van Geet will be back on TRS." }, { "end_time": "53:59", "start_time": "53:54", "text": "Ranveer and the whole team will also return with another fresh perspective very, very soon." }, { "end_time": "54:00", "start_time": "53:59", "text": "Lots of love." }, { "end_time": "54:03", "start_time": "54:00", "text": "Keep supporting The Ranveer Show." } ] }

[ { "content": "**Task Description:** \nYou are provided with a YouTube video transcript in JSON format, where each entry is synchronized with its respective timestamp. This transcript contains the spoken text along with its start and end times. Your objective is to generate high-quality, chapter-wise segments that accurately represent key points or transitions within the video.\n\n**Transcript JSON Format:** \nThe transcript is formatted as a list of dictionaries, where each dictionary represents a spoken sentence, including its text and corresponding start and end times.\n\n**Example Transcript:** \n```json\n[\n {\n \"text\": \"The narrative in the public eye is that you left working with the Modi government because your opinions weren't heard.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:07\"\n },\n {\n \"text\": \"I want to know your side of the story.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:08\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:10\"\n },\n ...\n]\n```\n\n**Your Task:** \nUsing the given transcript, generate a JSON output that breaks down the video into meaningful chapters. Each chapter should encapsulate a key segment of the video and be accompanied by a concise, informative title that reflects the essence of that segment.\n\n**Chapter JSON Format:** \nThe output should follow this structure:\n```json\n{\n \"chapters\": [\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"title\": \"Introduction and Opening Remarks\"\n },\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:07\",\n \"title\": \"Discussing the Exit from Modi Government\"\n },\n ...\n ]\n}\n```\n\n**Requirements:** \n1. **Identify Key Segments:** Extract significant portions of the transcript that represent shifts in topic, important discussions, or transitions in conversation.\n2. **Craft Informative Titles:** Each chapter title should be clear, engaging, and directly related to the content covered in that segment.\n3. **Preserve Time Stamps:** Ensure that each chapter's `start_time` corresponds to the first instance of a key topic or segment in the transcript.\n4. **Conciseness is Key:** While titles should be descriptive, avoid making them overly lengthy. Aim for a balance between informativeness and brevity.", "role": "system" }, { "content": "{'transcripts': array([{'end_time': '0:01', 'start_time': '0:00', 'text': 'Being a lone, Himalayan explorer.'},\n {'end_time': '0:06', 'start_time': '0:02', 'text': \"Is there danger from human beings out there sometimes when you're exploring?\"},\n {'end_time': '0:11', 'start_time': '0:06', 'text': 'Sometimes you also get picked up by a guy with a AK 47, so you have to be careful in g and k.'},\n {'end_time': '0:15', 'start_time': '0:12', 'text': 'Being in snow is not as simple as It looks.'},\n {'end_time': '0:16', 'start_time': '0:15', 'text': 'Looks on cartoon network.'},\n {'end_time': '0:24', 'start_time': '0:16', 'text': 'Sometimes I think it has been like, you just pitch up your tent and immediately you see the frost forming on the inside of the sheet of the tent, like, some minus 20.'},\n {'end_time': '0:26', 'start_time': '0:24', 'text': \"What's the most beautiful place you've seen in India?\"},\n {'end_time': '0:32', 'start_time': '0:27', 'text': 'These nomadic tribes, Bakarwals, shepherds.'},\n {'end_time': '0:35', 'start_time': '0:32', 'text': 'Bakarwals Tribals are in Kashmir.'},\n {'end_time': '0:40', 'start_time': '0:35', 'text': 'These kids are just have actually nothing, but, the smiles you see there Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '0:41', 'start_time': '0:40', 'text': 'Look at that kid.'},\n {'end_time': '0:43', 'start_time': '0:41', 'text': 'Never had a fall or anything?'},\n {'end_time': '0:46', 'start_time': '0:43', 'text': 'But this was a case where we were crossing like a mountain stream.'},\n {'end_time': '0:49', 'start_time': '0:46', 'text': 'So with leopard 2 attack, he suddenly saw us.'},\n {'end_time': '0:51', 'start_time': '0:49', 'text': \"I'm saying this as a compliment, but you're a bit of a psycho.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:53', 'start_time': '0:51', 'text': \"The question that's ringing in my head is about yetis.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:56', 'start_time': '0:54', 'text': \"I think I've also seen similar things.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:58', 'start_time': '0:56', 'text': 'Looks like a bigger footprint in the snow.'},\n {'end_time': '1:09', 'start_time': '1:02', 'text': 'YouTube is filled with countless podcasts where you learn about how to do better in your career, how to do better in your relationships, how to do better in terms of mental health.'},\n {'end_time': '1:17', 'start_time': '1:10', 'text': 'Not many podcasts will teach you about how to go about exploration better.'},\n {'end_time': '1:24', 'start_time': '1:17', 'text': 'Not many listeners of this particular episode are going to go out after this episode and begin to explore the Himalayas.'},\n {'end_time': '1:31', 'start_time': '1:25', 'text': \"But what I hope that this episode brings you is perspective because that's what these kind of guests bring to my mind and heart.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:34', 'start_time': '1:31', 'text': 'Peter Van Geet was born and raised in Belgium.'},\n {'end_time': '1:36', 'start_time': '1:34', 'text': 'Life brought him to India.'},\n {'end_time': '1:44', 'start_time': '1:36', 'text': \"And then within India, he's gone on his own exploration journeys specific to the Himalayas.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:53', 'start_time': '1:45', 'text': \"He's a man who literally just takes off and explores the Himalaya on foot by himself completely alone.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:58', 'start_time': '1:53', 'text': \"There's days where he covers 40 to 50 kilometers in one single stretch.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:01', 'start_time': '1:58', 'text': 'This is not a normal human being in my eyes.'},\n {'end_time': '2:04', 'start_time': '2:01', 'text': \"At least, it's not something you hear of commonly in India.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:07', 'start_time': '2:04', 'text': 'So this is a very perspective building podcast.'},\n {'end_time': '2:10', 'start_time': '2:08', 'text': \"There is something that'll shift within you.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:16', 'start_time': '2:10', 'text': 'You will look at life differently if you give this whole podcast a listen and let it sink into your soul.'},\n {'end_time': '2:19', 'start_time': '2:16', 'text': 'This is Peter Van Gait on TRS.'},\n {'end_time': '2:40', 'start_time': '2:38', 'text': 'Peter Van Geet, welcome to TRS.'},\n {'end_time': '2:43', 'start_time': '2:40', 'text': \"I've been speaking to you for the last 3 years.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:43', 'start_time': '2:43', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '2:44', 'start_time': '2:43', 'text': 'I think so.'},\n {'end_time': '2:45', 'start_time': '2:44', 'text': \"But we're finally here.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:45', 'start_time': '2:45', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '2:46', 'start_time': '2:45', 'text': 'Finally.'},\n {'end_time': '2:47', 'start_time': '2:46', 'text': 'Good to be here, Ramish.'},\n {'end_time': '2:49', 'start_time': '2:47', 'text': 'Good to have you in our studio.'},\n {'end_time': '2:49', 'start_time': '2:49', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '2:52', 'start_time': '2:49', 'text': 'I I can talk to you openly now that the cameras are rolling.'},\n {'end_time': '2:53', 'start_time': '2:53', 'text': 'Correct.'},\n {'end_time': '2:54', 'start_time': '2:53', 'text': 'How are you?'},\n {'end_time': '2:54', 'start_time': '2:54', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '2:55', 'start_time': '2:54', 'text': 'Doing good.'},\n {'end_time': '2:55', 'start_time': '2:55', 'text': 'Doing good.'},\n {'end_time': '3:01', 'start_time': '2:55', 'text': \"So just came from Chennai, my home base for, the last 25 years that I've been in India.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:05', 'start_time': '3:01', 'text': 'Short break from my usual Himalayan journeys in in the north.'},\n {'end_time': '3:09', 'start_time': '3:06', 'text': 'What did you do before you came to Chennai?'},\n {'end_time': '3:12', 'start_time': '3:10', 'text': \"So, yeah, I'm basically from Belgium.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:16', 'start_time': '3:12', 'text': 'I was born and raised there to finish my masters of computer science.'},\n {'end_time': '3:24', 'start_time': '3:16', 'text': 'And then in 98, so 25 years ago, I was sent to India, recruit a small team of software engineers to write software.'},\n {'end_time': '3:38', 'start_time': '3:24', 'text': \"I've been working as a project manager in Cisco, the network, giant for the last 20 years almost before, quitting the job in 2017 and then becoming more of a lone Himalayan explorer.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:40', 'start_time': '3:38', 'text': 'A lone Himalayan explorer.'},\n {'end_time': '3:40', 'start_time': '3:40', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '3:44', 'start_time': '3:40', 'text': 'As in you actually go out for solo expeditions alone.'},\n {'end_time': '3:45', 'start_time': '3:44', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '3:46', 'start_time': '3:45', 'text': 'I mostly go solo.'},\n {'end_time': '3:51', 'start_time': '3:46', 'text': 'So I go for, like, month long journeys across the most remote corners of the Himalayas.'},\n {'end_time': '3:53', 'start_time': '3:51', 'text': \"I'm pretty good with map reading and navigation.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:58', 'start_time': '3:54', 'text': 'So I use these old survey of India maps to find very remote trails.'},\n {'end_time': '4:00', 'start_time': '3:58', 'text': 'And those are really amazing journeys.'},\n {'end_time': '4:03', 'start_time': '4:00', 'text': 'Going solo is like a meditative experience.'},\n {'end_time': '4:07', 'start_time': '4:03', 'text': \"It's just you and mother nature, untouched by human hands.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:13', 'start_time': '4:08', 'text': 'You come across, like, mountain tribe, shepherds, and beautiful, untouched nature.'},\n {'end_time': '4:19', 'start_time': '4:13', 'text': \"Actually, it's it's an amazing journey full of adventure and, peacefulness, I would say.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:26', 'start_time': '4:19', 'text': \"We don't see too many Indians who think that way, in terms of just heading out into the Himalayas alone.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:27', 'start_time': '4:26', 'text': 'Yep.'},\n {'end_time': '4:29', 'start_time': '4:27', 'text': \"I've seen lots of people who head out in groups.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:30', 'start_time': '4:30', 'text': 'Correct.'},\n {'end_time': '4:30', 'start_time': '4:30', 'text': 'Correct.'},\n {'end_time': '4:32', 'start_time': '4:30', 'text': 'You know, head out for purposes.'},\n {'end_time': '4:37', 'start_time': '4:32', 'text': \"I don't think I've met anyone who's goes out alone because I think being Indian is about being in a community.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:38', 'start_time': '4:37', 'text': 'I guess so.'},\n {'end_time': '4:39', 'start_time': '4:38', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '4:42', 'start_time': '4:39', 'text': \"So I'm very excited about this conversation.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:44', 'start_time': '4:42', 'text': \"I can't imagine everything that you've seen out there.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:45', 'start_time': '4:44', 'text': 'Uh-huh.'},\n {'end_time': '4:49', 'start_time': '4:47', 'text': \"What's the most beautiful place you've seen in India?\"},\n {'end_time': '4:50', 'start_time': '4:50', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '4:53', 'start_time': '4:50', 'text': 'Also, I mean, the Indian Himalayas are really amazing.'},\n {'end_time': '4:58', 'start_time': '4:53', 'text': \"So you go so I'm used to living in Chennai at sea level, but there you go up till 5000 meters.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:00', 'start_time': '4:58', 'text': 'You get these beautiful snow covered glaciers.'},\n {'end_time': '5:03', 'start_time': '5:01', 'text': 'Himalayas are very seasonal.'},\n {'end_time': '5:03', 'start_time': '5:03', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '5:06', 'start_time': '5:03', 'text': 'The monsoon, the summer, the winter is quite different.'},\n {'end_time': '5:14', 'start_time': '5:06', 'text': \"And, so I've actually started a large hiking group in Chennai called the Chennai Trekking Club for a decade.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:16', 'start_time': '5:14', 'text': 'So that was founded in 2008.'},\n {'end_time': '5:20', 'start_time': '5:17', 'text': 'That thing grew pretty big to some 40,000 people.'},\n {'end_time': '5:23', 'start_time': '5:20', 'text': 'It was like a non profit volunteer based organization.'},\n {'end_time': '5:25', 'start_time': '5:24', 'text': '40,000 people?'},\n {'end_time': '5:26', 'start_time': '5:25', 'text': '40,000 people.'},\n {'end_time': '5:26', 'start_time': '5:26', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '5:33', 'start_time': '5:26', 'text': 'We did a lot of outdoor sports, triathlon, marathon, solitarans, a lot of environmental activities, social activities.'},\n {'end_time': '5:35', 'start_time': '5:33', 'text': 'So that went on for the decades.'},\n {'end_time': '5:43', 'start_time': '5:35', 'text': 'But then in the recent years it has been nice to step out of this group and kind of more get into like long solo journeys as you were a little bit older.'},\n {'end_time': '5:58', 'start_time': '5:43', 'text': 'You kind of feel at ease just on your own and, yeah, seeing some of the really beautiful high altitude nature out there like glaciers and moraines, leopards, bears, and all those things.'},\n {'end_time': '6:00', 'start_time': '5:58', 'text': 'Do you get happier as you age?'},\n {'end_time': '6:02', 'start_time': '6:01', 'text': 'I think you get more experience.'},\n {'end_time': '6:04', 'start_time': '6:02', 'text': 'You get more wiser.'},\n {'end_time': '6:05', 'start_time': '6:04', 'text': \"I'm 52 now.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:11', 'start_time': '6:06', 'text': \"I still feel I haven't reached the peak of my, mental and physical endurance.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:17', 'start_time': '6:11', 'text': 'I still ran 1 70 kilometer, last week from Chennai to Auroville to attend the marathon.'},\n {'end_time': '6:20', 'start_time': '6:17', 'text': \"So I'm still feeling pretty good at this age.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:21', 'start_time': '6:20', 'text': \"You think you're getting physically better?\"},\n {'end_time': '6:22', 'start_time': '6:22', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '6:24', 'start_time': '6:22', 'text': \"I think physically you're getting stronger.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:25', 'start_time': '6:24', 'text': \"So it's not about sprint.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:25', 'start_time': '6:25', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '6:38', 'start_time': '6:25', 'text': 'You might be good as a sprinter in your twenties thirties, but when you are older, you become better at endurance when you wanna push, like, say, run ultra races for, like, 40 hours, 2 days, 2 nights nonstop running.'},\n {'end_time': '6:42', 'start_time': '6:38', 'text': \"You're much more stronger your body, after a couple of decades.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:47', 'start_time': '6:42', 'text': 'And also your mental endurance is so much stronger than somebody whole of your age.'},\n {'end_time': '6:51', 'start_time': '6:47', 'text': 'You know, the older I get, the more I realize how much physical health matters.'},\n {'end_time': '6:55', 'start_time': '6:52', 'text': 'And I started playing a lot of football again recently.'},\n {'end_time': '6:56', 'start_time': '6:55', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '6:58', 'start_time': '6:56', 'text': 'And I started getting these very bad injuries.'},\n {'end_time': '7:02', 'start_time': '6:58', 'text': \"I got this horrible groin injury, because of it, I couldn't play anymore.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:06', 'start_time': '7:02', 'text': 'And then that made me think that, you know, my body is deteriorating after 30.'},\n {'end_time': '7:08', 'start_time': '7:07', 'text': 'And I used to cry to my friends about it.'},\n {'end_time': '7:10', 'start_time': '7:08', 'text': 'I used to cry on the show about it.'},\n {'end_time': '7:16', 'start_time': '7:10', 'text': \"And then eventually, I met someone who said that eventually your body becomes what your mind wants it to become as long as you're putting in the work.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:23', 'start_time': '7:17', 'text': \"So tell that injury to heal, tell yourself that you're getting stronger, and tell yourself that you're still going to reach the ultimate version of yourself.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:24', 'start_time': '7:24', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '7:24', 'start_time': '7:24', 'text': 'Correct.'},\n {'end_time': '7:31', 'start_time': '7:24', 'text': \"I think after a certain push, after a certain amount of endurance, it's more of a mental thing than a physical thing.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:33', 'start_time': '7:32', 'text': 'Physics is important.'},\n {'end_time': '7:41', 'start_time': '7:33', 'text': 'You need to get in a regular fitness routine, but, I think, the mind can push the body to do a lot, that you would think is not possible.'},\n {'end_time': '7:44', 'start_time': '7:42', 'text': 'Has your life ever been in danger?'},\n {'end_time': '7:46', 'start_time': '7:45', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '8:12', 'start_time': '7:46', 'text': 'Couple of times when you get lost in the Himalayas, it tends to be risky that you end up you lose the trail, you get lost, you try to make a move, forward, and then you end up with little fingertips hanging on the rocks coming down a vertical rock face trying to get back onto a proper trail where where you so it has been a couple of occasions that actually you feel the heartbeat in your throat as you hang like 50 meter above an almost vertical cliff.'},\n {'end_time': '8:14', 'start_time': '8:13', 'text': 'So, yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '8:16', 'start_time': '8:14', 'text': 'And the weather can also be threatening.'},\n {'end_time': '8:25', 'start_time': '8:16', 'text': 'As you go higher to 4, 5, 6000 meters, the weather becomes, more volatile and more, life threatening sometimes in case it turns bad.'},\n {'end_time': '8:27', 'start_time': '8:25', 'text': 'I wanna hear about the story in detail.'},\n {'end_time': '8:29', 'start_time': '8:27', 'text': 'Tell me about both the stories.'},\n {'end_time': '8:30', 'start_time': '8:29', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '8:30', 'start_time': '8:30', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '8:31', 'start_time': '8:30', 'text': 'Start with the first one.'},\n {'end_time': '8:32', 'start_time': '8:32', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '8:39', 'start_time': '8:32', 'text': \"So I mean a couple I've done, like, around 10,000 kilometer now, I think, over the last couple of years since I quit the job, across the HIM Alliance.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:41', 'start_time': '8:39', 'text': \"I've done a lot of mapping work also.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:43', 'start_time': '8:41', 'text': '10,000 kilometers on foot.'},\n {'end_time': '8:43', 'start_time': '8:43', 'text': 'On foot.'},\n {'end_time': '8:44', 'start_time': '8:43', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '8:46', 'start_time': '8:44', 'text': 'So and this is like pretty rough terrain.'},\n {'end_time': '8:49', 'start_time': '8:46', 'text': \"It's not like walking along the marine drive in Mumbai.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:55', 'start_time': '8:49', 'text': \"It's like over big rocks and, more rains and scree and, sinking in snow till your waist.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:57', 'start_time': '8:56', 'text': \"So it's pretty intense.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:59', 'start_time': '8:57', 'text': 'You burn a lot of calories.'},\n {'end_time': '9:02', 'start_time': '8:59', 'text': \"I'm saying this as a compliment, but you're a bit of a psycho.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:03', 'start_time': '9:02', 'text': 'I could be.'},\n {'end_time': '9:06', 'start_time': '9:03', 'text': 'A bit more of a survivor and, taking it extreme.'},\n {'end_time': '9:08', 'start_time': '9:06', 'text': 'And all all of that I do pretty minimalist.'},\n {'end_time': '9:17', 'start_time': '9:08', 'text': 'So I just carry some 4, 5 KG on my back, very lightweight tints, like a bivy sack in which I sleep at night, small sleeping bag.'},\n {'end_time': '9:21', 'start_time': '9:17', 'text': 'I usually only carry a t shirt and, and, shorts.'},\n {'end_time': '9:24', 'start_time': '9:22', 'text': 'I just keep rinsing myself in the streams.'},\n {'end_time': '9:31', 'start_time': '9:24', 'text': 'So going light ways is important because you have to go over the significant terrain, like very steep terrain, lot of climbing.'},\n {'end_time': '9:35', 'start_time': '9:32', 'text': 'Like, last big hike was in Uttarakhand, 4 months.'},\n {'end_time': '9:40', 'start_time': '9:35', 'text': 'I did some 2,000, kilometers, which is fine, but more than 2,000 kilometer.'},\n {'end_time': '9:42', 'start_time': '9:40', 'text': \"It's your vertical climb.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:49', 'start_time': '9:42', 'text': 'I did some 1.2 lakhs vertical, elevation gain, which is like 18 times the height of Mount Everest.'},\n {'end_time': '9:53', 'start_time': '9:50', 'text': 'So that would let you really feel in your quads and your calls.'},\n {'end_time': '9:59', 'start_time': '9:55', 'text': 'In a day, usually on an average, how far do you walk?'},\n {'end_time': '10:03', 'start_time': '10:00', 'text': 'I try to kind of maximize my, use of the day.'},\n {'end_time': '10:09', 'start_time': '10:03', 'text': \"So I wake up usually when the sunlight hits my tints, which means like 6, 7 o'clock in the morning.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:14', 'start_time': '10:09', 'text': 'And I usually walk for 12 hours till the sun sets, then it becomes really cold.'},\n {'end_time': '10:21', 'start_time': '10:14', 'text': \"So by 6, 7 o'clock, I try to find a suitable campsite close to water, flat place where I can pitch up my tints.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:29', 'start_time': '10:21', 'text': \"And, so every day it's like for months altogether, 12 hours of steady walking, and it's not usually a trail.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:43', 'start_time': '10:29', 'text': 'As an explorer, actually, you go through a lot of rough terrain like scree, loose rocks, climbing on some vertical rocks to a mountain pass over, long glaciers or permanent ice sheets for kilometers and kilometers.'},\n {'end_time': '10:47', 'start_time': '10:44', 'text': 'Sometimes in the winter you sink in the snow that everything is blanked out.'},\n {'end_time': '10:49', 'start_time': '10:47', 'text': \"You don't see the trails anymore.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:53', 'start_time': '10:49', 'text': \"So then you need to be more experienced on navigation that you don't lose the way.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:54', 'start_time': '10:54', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '10:57', 'start_time': '10:54', 'text': \"I mean, usually, I think so there's a couple of things.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:02', 'start_time': '10:57', 'text': \"Most people don't understand what even walking for 10 kilometers actually feels like.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:03', 'start_time': '11:02', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '11:07', 'start_time': '11:04', 'text': \"I've done a 100 kilometer kind of racing once.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:08', 'start_time': '11:07', 'text': 'Wonderful.'},\n {'end_time': '11:11', 'start_time': '11:09', 'text': 'And, my hips blew out.'},\n {'end_time': '11:14', 'start_time': '11:11', 'text': 'My knees were destroyed and I was just 23 years old that time.'},\n {'end_time': '11:19', 'start_time': '11:14', 'text': \"And that's when I understood what a 100 kilometers is as a distance as well.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:28', 'start_time': '11:19', 'text': 'And we did it in 36 hours, every 10 kilometers after the 50 kilometer mark felt easy.'},\n {'end_time': '11:33', 'start_time': '11:28', 'text': 'But before the 50 kilometer mark, every 10 kilometers was very, very long.'},\n {'end_time': '11:38', 'start_time': '11:33', 'text': \"And that's when I realized that even 10 kilometers is much longer than most people would think.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:38', 'start_time': '11:38', 'text': 'Correct.'},\n {'end_time': '11:39', 'start_time': '11:38', 'text': 'Uh-huh.'},\n {'end_time': '11:43', 'start_time': '11:39', 'text': 'Which is why I asked you this question in terms of roughly in kilometers.'},\n {'end_time': '11:46', 'start_time': '11:43', 'text': 'How much do you walk in 12 hours roughly?'},\n {'end_time': '11:47', 'start_time': '11:46', 'text': \"I'm not trying to gauge your speed.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:48', 'start_time': '11:47', 'text': 'Day.'},\n {'end_time': '11:50', 'start_time': '11:48', 'text': 'So it it all depends on the terrain around this.'},\n {'end_time': '11:56', 'start_time': '11:50', 'text': 'Sometimes in Ladakh where the terrain is open and gradual, you can actually do 40, 50 kilometer in a single day.'},\n {'end_time': '11:56', 'start_time': '11:56', 'text': 'Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '12:05', 'start_time': '11:56', 'text': \"You cannot run because at high altitude, you have 50% of the oxygen compared to sea level, plus you're carrying a shelter and a bag and food on your back.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:14', 'start_time': '12:05', 'text': \"But sometimes it's just like 15 kilometer in a day because you're hanging on some rock face, you're you're scrambling through thorns and bushes.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:19', 'start_time': '12:15', 'text': \"Bad weather is there so it's it's like a snow blizzard in your face at high altitudes.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:24', 'start_time': '12:20', 'text': 'So it all depends on the terrain and the weather actually how much, distance you can cover.'},\n {'end_time': '12:26', 'start_time': '12:24', 'text': \"But at the end of the day, it's all the same.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:32', 'start_time': '12:26', 'text': \"Whether it's 15 or 50 kilometer, you would have burned some 7, 8,000 calories in a single day.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:35', 'start_time': '12:33', 'text': 'How do you replenish 7, 8,000 calories?'},\n {'end_time': '12:40', 'start_time': '12:36', 'text': 'A lot of, lot I mean, local organic homegrown food actually.'},\n {'end_time': '12:44', 'start_time': '12:40', 'text': 'The food you get served by locals like the shepherds, they have these thick rotis.'},\n {'end_time': '12:46', 'start_time': '12:44', 'text': '2 of those thick rotis are enough.'},\n {'end_time': '12:51', 'start_time': '12:46', 'text': 'They also put a lot of ghee, a lot of fat, I guess, on the subject that you eat.'},\n {'end_time': '13:07', 'start_time': '12:51', 'text': 'And then there are if you get a cup of tea from freshly milk from the mountain goat who has been grazing these snow fed alpine metals, there is so much of nutrition in this natural food that, it quickly replenishes you and that you feel like, again, okay to proceed the next day.'},\n {'end_time': '13:13', 'start_time': '13:07', 'text': 'How do all these experiences change your mind and your heart as you go forward in life?'},\n {'end_time': '13:13', 'start_time': '13:13', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '13:20', 'start_time': '13:13', 'text': \"One thing that I've seen is, 50% of me is is about natural beauty that you encounter in the middle of nowhere.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:22', 'start_time': '13:20', 'text': \"It's it's about meditation and and peace.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:25', 'start_time': '13:22', 'text': 'But 50% of it is also like the people you encounter.'},\n {'end_time': '13:40', 'start_time': '13:25', 'text': \"So these remote tribes, these nomadic tribes, buccarwalls, shepherds, people who live like in mud houses and, no electricity, no road, no no mobile Internet, so they don't have any facilities there.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:44', 'start_time': '13:40', 'text': 'People just live there with their buffalos or sheep in the middle of of a jungle.'},\n {'end_time': '13:49', 'start_time': '13:45', 'text': 'So if you spend time with these people then you can actually appreciate, like, humanity more.'},\n {'end_time': '13:52', 'start_time': '13:49', 'text': 'So these people are very innocent, very helpful.'},\n {'end_time': '13:54', 'start_time': '13:52', 'text': 'They will give you warm hospitality.'},\n {'end_time': '13:59', 'start_time': '13:54', 'text': 'In many cases, I end up sometimes sleeping in their bed while they sleep on the floor next to me.'},\n {'end_time': '14:06', 'start_time': '13:59', 'text': 'So one thing I learned is that people who have very less materialistically, they have like a big heart.'},\n {'end_time': '14:13', 'start_time': '14:06', 'text': \"They are like so amazing and it's nice to experience and see that humanity and much of it which we have lost in the city.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:16', 'start_time': '14:13', 'text': \"Because in the city it's all about a self enrichment.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:18', 'start_time': '14:16', 'text': 'We are running behind money all the time.'},\n {'end_time': '14:19', 'start_time': '14:19', 'text': 'We are stressed.'},\n {'end_time': '14:25', 'start_time': '14:20', 'text': 'People there really have like a pure soul and and really help each other.'},\n {'end_time': '14:29', 'start_time': '14:27', 'text': \"That's the raw format of being a human being.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:30', 'start_time': '14:29', 'text': 'Correct.'},\n {'end_time': '14:30', 'start_time': '14:30', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '14:32', 'start_time': '14:30', 'text': \"We're not living in the raw format anymore.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:43', 'start_time': '14:33', 'text': \"I think there's too many distractions and too many, different priorities here compared to the people that are living amongst themselves in nature, just surviving in in very basic ways.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:46', 'start_time': '14:44', 'text': 'How do you communicate with them?'},\n {'end_time': '14:47', 'start_time': '14:46', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '14:48', 'start_time': '14:47', 'text': \"So I'm not much of a language person.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:50', 'start_time': '14:48', 'text': 'My main base was Chennai.'},\n {'end_time': '14:53', 'start_time': '14:50', 'text': 'Chennai is just English and Tamil, not even Hindi as you know.'},\n {'end_time': '14:55', 'start_time': '14:54', 'text': \"So, I'm not too much.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:59', 'start_time': '14:55', 'text': 'So I know the basics for guidance, food, and shelters in Hindi.'},\n {'end_time': '15:05', 'start_time': '14:59', 'text': 'You just say Kanaya or have some pani or some chai or whatever.'},\n {'end_time': '15:06', 'start_time': '15:06', 'text': 'You pay them?'},\n {'end_time': '15:08', 'start_time': '15:07', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '15:10', 'start_time': '15:08', 'text': \"Actually, I don't think they would appreciate it.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:12', 'start_time': '15:10', 'text': \"They actually don't use money over there also.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:15', 'start_time': '15:12', 'text': \"So people don't use have Google Pay or Cash.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:23', 'start_time': '15:16', 'text': 'Even the shepherds when they go for a bag of rice to the village nearby, so they stay there up for sometimes 4 or 5 months with their hearts grazing.'},\n {'end_time': '15:28', 'start_time': '15:23', 'text': 'So they need to eat roti, tawa, atta, flour, and and rice.'},\n {'end_time': '15:32', 'start_time': '15:28', 'text': 'So I think they also work more in an exchange way like the olden days.'},\n {'end_time': '15:32', 'start_time': '15:32', 'text': 'So they system.'},\n {'end_time': '15:33', 'start_time': '15:33', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '15:37', 'start_time': '15:33', 'text': 'They give maybe one sheep and then they get 5 bags of rice in return.'},\n {'end_time': '15:41', 'start_time': '15:38', 'text': \"So there's no money, use over there.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:41', 'start_time': '15:41', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '15:43', 'start_time': '15:41', 'text': 'There are these are the people that I meet actually.'},\n {'end_time': '15:46', 'start_time': '15:43', 'text': 'Can see some of the, the rough looking tribals there.'},\n {'end_time': '15:49', 'start_time': '15:46', 'text': 'These are the typical people you find in Jammu and Kashmir.'},\n {'end_time': '15:51', 'start_time': '15:50', 'text': \"I've stayed with them.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:53', 'start_time': '15:51', 'text': \"They're like they they look a little rough.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:54', 'start_time': '15:54', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '15:55', 'start_time': '15:54', 'text': 'Because they live in the wild.'},\n {'end_time': '15:58', 'start_time': '15:55', 'text': 'They live in pretty, harsh conditions sometimes.'},\n {'end_time': '16:04', 'start_time': '15:58', 'text': 'But they are really, I mean, people the size of their heart, you will not find anyone in the city here.'},\n {'end_time': '16:09', 'start_time': '16:05', 'text': 'Can you pull up, so Bakarwal Tribals are in Kashmir?'},\n {'end_time': '16:10', 'start_time': '16:10', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '16:12', 'start_time': '16:10', 'text': 'But you can see Kashmiri, Bakarwal.'},\n {'end_time': '16:17', 'start_time': '16:12', 'text': 'So I think a lot large, percentage of the population in Kashmir are actually nomadic tribes.'},\n {'end_time': '16:22', 'start_time': '16:17', 'text': 'So these are the people indeed you meet, like, very, very nice people.'},\n {'end_time': '16:23', 'start_time': '16:22', 'text': 'They are very less.'},\n {'end_time': '16:26', 'start_time': '16:24', 'text': 'Kids will not go to schools.'},\n {'end_time': '16:29', 'start_time': '16:26', 'text': 'Kids will just pick up the profession of that.'},\n {'end_time': '16:31', 'start_time': '16:29', 'text': 'And, they go there with the whole family.'},\n {'end_time': '16:35', 'start_time': '16:31', 'text': 'They will have some horses carrying their blankets and cooking gears.'},\n {'end_time': '16:46', 'start_time': '16:35', 'text': 'The women will take care of the kids and the campsite and then the men will go out grazing in the surrounding meadows, the, the buffalos or the sheep or the whatever cattle they take along with them.'},\n {'end_time': '16:50', 'start_time': '16:46', 'text': 'I can tell you, spend one night with these people and it will change your life.'},\n {'end_time': '16:51', 'start_time': '16:50', 'text': 'How?'},\n {'end_time': '17:04', 'start_time': '16:52', 'text': 'I mean, their simplicity, their innocence, their niceness, their humanity, their soul has not been disturbed in any way by the modern day, things in in the cities, I would say.'},\n {'end_time': '17:08', 'start_time': '17:04', 'text': 'Like the materialism, the money, and, yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '17:11', 'start_time': '17:08', 'text': 'Do the do the kids think differently than the adults?'},\n {'end_time': '17:17', 'start_time': '17:11', 'text': \"They also again, I don't master Hindi too well, so I'm not able to have a deep conversation with them.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:18', 'start_time': '17:17', 'text': 'But they live very simple.'},\n {'end_time': '17:29', 'start_time': '17:18', 'text': 'I mean, kids, even sheep get born there, they get put on the horse and they and the family and both the human family and the the animals expand as they sometimes come from pretty far.'},\n {'end_time': '17:35', 'start_time': '17:29', 'text': 'Some of these people come from the plains and go all the way to the Himalayas over 100 of kilometers with the whole family, imagine.'},\n {'end_time': '17:41', 'start_time': '17:36', 'text': 'Then they stay there the whole summer and then when this winter snow comes in by this September, they come back to the plains.'},\n {'end_time': '17:45', 'start_time': '17:44', 'text': 'Have you ever eaten mutton?'},\n {'end_time': '17:47', 'start_time': '17:47', 'text': 'Half.'},\n {'end_time': '17:48', 'start_time': '17:47', 'text': 'I mean, mutton is there.'},\n {'end_time': '17:51', 'start_time': '17:48', 'text': 'Most of the people you meet there are actually vegetarians.'},\n {'end_time': '17:52', 'start_time': '17:51', 'text': 'So Really?'},\n {'end_time': '17:52', 'start_time': '17:52', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '17:56', 'start_time': '17:52', 'text': 'So they will only maybe you will only get mutton if one of the sheep dies.'},\n {'end_time': '18:06', 'start_time': '17:57', 'text': 'Some of the sheep really die because of extreme weather and also some of the mountain passes they have to cross on the way to those meadows, those alpine meadows or like very treacherous.'},\n {'end_time': '18:08', 'start_time': '18:07', 'text': 'So I met the shepherd once.'},\n {'end_time': '18:10', 'start_time': '18:08', 'text': 'He had 700 sheep.'},\n {'end_time': '18:20', 'start_time': '18:10', 'text': 'In one season usually around 50 sheep die because of extreme weather, very steep and rocky terrains or rocks fall down.'},\n {'end_time': '18:23', 'start_time': '18:20', 'text': 'Sheep gets washed away in streams, wild streams.'},\n {'end_time': '18:29', 'start_time': '18:23', 'text': 'Predators, like I was saying, nocturnal predators like, leopards will pick up a small goatee from the hearth.'},\n {'end_time': '18:34', 'start_time': '18:30', 'text': 'So imagine, like, 10% kind of does not make it back alive at the end of the summer.'},\n {'end_time': '18:36', 'start_time': '18:34', 'text': 'But these guys are mainly vegetarian?'},\n {'end_time': '18:38', 'start_time': '18:37', 'text': 'I think so.'},\n {'end_time': '18:39', 'start_time': '18:38', 'text': 'Most of the people k.'},\n {'end_time': '18:40', 'start_time': '18:39', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '18:40', 'start_time': '18:40', 'text': 'This is mine.'},\n {'end_time': '18:44', 'start_time': '18:40', 'text': 'These are the family that I stayed with last year somewhere in Jammu.'},\n {'end_time': '18:46', 'start_time': '18:45', 'text': 'Very nice people.'},\n {'end_time': '18:48', 'start_time': '18:46', 'text': \"I mean, it's, like, amazing.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:49', 'start_time': '18:48', 'text': 'You can see all smiling faces.'},\n {'end_time': '18:50', 'start_time': '18:49', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '18:51', 'start_time': '18:50', 'text': 'So so many on the faces?'},\n {'end_time': '18:52', 'start_time': '18:52', 'text': 'Very less.'},\n {'end_time': '18:55', 'start_time': '18:52', 'text': 'But, the smiles you see there Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '19:03', 'start_time': '18:55', 'text': 'Is much more than the the spoilt little kids in the city here, which have the Sony Playstations and YouTube.'},\n {'end_time': '19:05', 'start_time': '19:03', 'text': 'These kids are just have actually nothing.'},\n {'end_time': '19:07', 'start_time': '19:05', 'text': 'They have an old razzle.'},\n {'end_time': '19:10', 'start_time': '19:07', 'text': \"It'll all be stained there because they cannot wash their clothes also.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:12', 'start_time': '19:10', 'text': \"And they're very happy.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:24', 'start_time': '19:12', 'text': 'I think it has to do with the fact that they are still, like, strongly connected with their natural surroundings and that they have not been diverted in in the modern day distractions, I guess.'},\n {'end_time': '19:27', 'start_time': '19:24', 'text': \"The younger kid is so happy that you're taking his photo.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:28', 'start_time': '19:27', 'text': 'I guess so.'},\n {'end_time': '19:29', 'start_time': '19:28', 'text': 'Older kid is a little suspicious.'},\n {'end_time': '19:30', 'start_time': '19:30', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '19:30', 'start_time': '19:30', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '19:33', 'start_time': '19:30', 'text': 'That white guy, what is he doing here?'},\n {'end_time': '19:33', 'start_time': '19:33', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '19:37', 'start_time': '19:33', 'text': 'We are in Jammu and Kashmir, so they have a bit of a political history.'},\n {'end_time': '19:42', 'start_time': '19:37', 'text': 'Sometimes you also get picked up by a guy with a AK 47, so you have to be careful in GNK.'},\n {'end_time': '19:43', 'start_time': '19:43', 'text': 'Fun.'},\n {'end_time': '19:44', 'start_time': '19:44', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '19:48', 'start_time': '19:44', 'text': 'We had experiences that, like in 2022, I think.'},\n {'end_time': '19:53', 'start_time': '19:48', 'text': 'Me and another guy from Chennai, a bit of a tall guy with a long beard, we were hiking somewhere.'},\n {'end_time': '19:54', 'start_time': '19:53', 'text': 'Indian guy?'},\n {'end_time': '19:54', 'start_time': '19:54', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '19:55', 'start_time': '19:54', 'text': 'Indian guy from Chennai.'},\n {'end_time': '19:58', 'start_time': '19:55', 'text': 'But he looks a little like a bit of a bearded guy.'},\n {'end_time': '20:07', 'start_time': '19:58', 'text': 'And, so in one place, we are just walking and then, so gosh, Jengue has a bit of a political history.'},\n {'end_time': '20:07', 'start_time': '20:07', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '20:14', 'start_time': '20:07', 'text': 'So then one local police guy armed with an AK 47, he told us stop stop because he sees we are outsiders.'},\n {'end_time': '20:16', 'start_time': '20:14', 'text': 'The faces are different than the locals.'},\n {'end_time': '20:21', 'start_time': '20:16', 'text': 'And then when my buddy, so they said put down your back, sir.'},\n {'end_time': '20:24', 'start_time': '20:21', 'text': 'We might carry some arms or anything in his understanding.'},\n {'end_time': '20:33', 'start_time': '20:25', 'text': 'Then when my buddy tried to open his back, he got, like, worried that we would set off some explosive or so and he raised his gun and it was a bit tense.'},\n {'end_time': '20:49', 'start_time': '20:33', 'text': \"But then once they know that you're really there, say, as just a nature lover hiker or so, Then at the end of the day, actually, we eventually end up in staying with the family of of the local, commissioner of police or somebody like that and getting amazing hospitality again.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:55', 'start_time': '20:49', 'text': \"The people are very nice, but sometimes I guess it's the troubled history that makes them a little nervous when they see an outsider.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:57', 'start_time': '20:55', 'text': 'Have you actually met terrorists as well?'},\n {'end_time': '20:58', 'start_time': '20:58', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '20:59', 'start_time': '20:58', 'text': 'Surgeons?'},\n {'end_time': '21:02', 'start_time': '20:59', 'text': 'So my focus has been till, I would say, Jammu.'},\n {'end_time': '21:05', 'start_time': '21:02', 'text': \"I haven't really gone to the sensitive border areas.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:05', 'start_time': '21:05', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '21:08', 'start_time': '21:06', 'text': 'But this incident happened in Jammu?'},\n {'end_time': '21:08', 'start_time': '21:08', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '21:11', 'start_time': '21:08', 'text': 'This was in Jammu, somewhere in Dola Dola District.'},\n {'end_time': '21:18', 'start_time': '21:14', 'text': \"Is there danger from human beings out there sometimes when you're exploring?\"},\n {'end_time': '21:21', 'start_time': '21:20', 'text': \"I don't really think so.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:27', 'start_time': '21:21', 'text': 'Again, as I told most of the people that roam there are nomads or like mountain tribes, locals.'},\n {'end_time': '21:29', 'start_time': '21:27', 'text': \"I don't think like that.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:35', 'start_time': '21:29', 'text': \"I mean, terrorists, okay, in in the border areas are there, but I I don't think the criminals kind of hide in those specific areas.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:47', 'start_time': '21:35', 'text': \"So the people who the locals you encounter are, as I already told, very nice, very innocent, very helpful because they understand you're an outsider, you're trying to find your way in a very, difficult region.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:57', 'start_time': '21:48', 'text': \"So human beings compared to the human beings that I usually sometimes met in the big metros, it's like very safe and very very helpful.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:00', 'start_time': '21:57', 'text': \"The more remote, the more humane and the more helpful they'll be.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:04', 'start_time': '22:01', 'text': 'Not human beings, I would also not say white life.'},\n {'end_time': '22:08', 'start_time': '22:04', 'text': 'Your most, potent enemy would be the the weather.'},\n {'end_time': '22:14', 'start_time': '22:08', 'text': 'The weather when it turns bad, like you get into a snowstorm, you get into bad rain and winds.'},\n {'end_time': '22:23', 'start_time': '22:14', 'text': \"Here it's fun to go on a monsoon trek in the Sahi Hadris, but if you get stuck there in bad weather it's a totally different story because it's like minus 10, minus 20.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:26', 'start_time': '22:24', 'text': 'Snow is hitting your face.'},\n {'end_time': '22:27', 'start_time': '22:26', 'text': \"It's like freezing.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:34', 'start_time': '22:28', 'text': \"So shelter and being safe against the nature's fury at high altitude is is important.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:40', 'start_time': '22:34', 'text': 'So if it starts raining that the rain immediately turns into snow, hits your face, burns it up a little bit.'},\n {'end_time': '22:40', 'start_time': '22:40', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '22:45', 'start_time': '22:40', 'text': \"You have to be careful when the weather turns bad because at 5 dollars a meter, you're extremely exposed.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:49', 'start_time': '22:45', 'text': \"I mean, you you it's like it's like turning the dial d.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:53', 'start_time': '22:49', 'text': 'You have to amplify the impact of the weather as you go higher and higher.'},\n {'end_time': '22:58', 'start_time': '22:53', 'text': 'A lot of people die actually mountaineers when they hang on these, when they climb those peaks.'},\n {'end_time': '23:02', 'start_time': '22:58', 'text': \"Because they are exposed and they're hanging on a rope, they can't get away.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:06', 'start_time': '23:02', 'text': 'I usually try to keep myself, safe by keeping my feet on the trails.'},\n {'end_time': '23:17', 'start_time': '23:06', 'text': 'So in case the weather turns bad, you can quickly come down to lower altitude, find like a rock or a cave or something where you can shelter for a day or 2 until the weather turns, good again.'},\n {'end_time': '23:21', 'start_time': '23:18', 'text': \"That's a mechanism to safeguard your body.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:21', 'start_time': '23:21', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '23:25', 'start_time': '23:21', 'text': 'Like that you try staying on the main trail rather than going off trail.'},\n {'end_time': '23:26', 'start_time': '23:25', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '23:27', 'start_time': '23:26', 'text': \"So I'm more of a hiker.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:29', 'start_time': '23:27', 'text': \"I'm not really a mountaineer who climbs peaks.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:29', 'start_time': '23:29', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '23:32', 'start_time': '23:29', 'text': 'So mountaineering is is also pretty fame.'},\n {'end_time': '23:34', 'start_time': '23:32', 'text': \"I'm pretty popular amongst the the youngsters.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:38', 'start_time': '23:34', 'text': \"I'm more of an explorer who kind of stays on the trail.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:42', 'start_time': '23:38', 'text': 'I just cross mountain passes that connect one valley to the next valley.'},\n {'end_time': '23:52', 'start_time': '23:42', 'text': 'But if there is an issue that the weather turns bad quickly, you can kind of quickly come down the other trail to a lower altitude where the impact, the strength of the bad weather will be less.'},\n {'end_time': '23:59', 'start_time': '23:52', 'text': 'Find a shelter like a rock shelter and sit out the bad weather until it, is becomes safe again to venture out.'},\n {'end_time': '24:02', 'start_time': '24:00', 'text': 'Are you able to predict when the weather is going to get bad?'},\n {'end_time': '24:03', 'start_time': '24:02', 'text': \"It's difficult.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:06', 'start_time': '24:03', 'text': 'As you go higher, the weather becomes more volatile.'},\n {'end_time': '24:08', 'start_time': '24:06', 'text': 'So where Randomly, quickly things happen.'},\n {'end_time': '24:10', 'start_time': '24:08', 'text': 'You have those snow covered peaks.'},\n {'end_time': '24:10', 'start_time': '24:10', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '24:13', 'start_time': '24:10', 'text': 'And then as the sun rises during the day, it gets hotter.'},\n {'end_time': '24:21', 'start_time': '24:13', 'text': 'There is some kind of interference that happens there between the planet and the skies, and it quickly changes especially in summer when the sun is hot.'},\n {'end_time': '24:23', 'start_time': '24:21', 'text': 'Winter is more stable, the weather.'},\n {'end_time': '24:26', 'start_time': '24:23', 'text': 'So then you can go through snow covered landscape.'},\n {'end_time': '24:28', 'start_time': '24:27', 'text': 'Winter is more stable.'},\n {'end_time': '24:29', 'start_time': '24:28', 'text': \"It's more stable.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:29', 'start_time': '24:29', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '24:31', 'start_time': '24:29', 'text': 'There will be less because there is less heat, I think.'},\n {'end_time': '24:37', 'start_time': '24:31', 'text': \"It's mostly the heat and the evaporation of the moist in the forest that causes a lot of turbulence at higher altitude.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:50', 'start_time': '24:38', 'text': \"So nothing like, a couple of months walking in the snow in winter with a blue sky, which is a beautiful contrast with the white snow, knowing that mostly it'll be, pretty stable, the winters.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:52', 'start_time': '24:50', 'text': \"What's the coldest you felt on one of these experiments?\"},\n {'end_time': '25:09', 'start_time': '24:52', 'text': \"It all depends, like, sometimes you, usually you try to camp a little bit in the valley at lower altitude, but sometimes to capture that beautiful sunset or sunrise, you try to camp on top of a peak where you're fully exposed at 360 degrees, you're camping in frozen snow.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:19', 'start_time': '25:10', 'text': 'Sometimes I think it has been like you just pitch up your tent and immediately you see the frost forming on the inside of the sheet of the tent, like some minus 20 or so.'},\n {'end_time': '25:26', 'start_time': '25:19', 'text': 'And then you need a good like sleeping bag, like a minus 12, minus 15 degrees sleeping bag to keep yourself warm.'},\n {'end_time': '25:32', 'start_time': '25:27', 'text': 'Daytime is okay, I usually go in shorts, I will even sink in snow in shorts.'},\n {'end_time': '25:35', 'start_time': '25:32', 'text': 'I will go through wild streams in shorts because you keep moving around view.'},\n {'end_time': '25:54', 'start_time': '25:35', 'text': 'So your your body generates a lot of internal heat, but as soon as you pitch up your tent at the end of the night, the sun disappears behind the mountain, the temperature will drop from, say, 20 degrees to minus 10, and you really need to keep yourself warm and, until the sun, rises up again the next morning.'},\n {'end_time': '25:58', 'start_time': '25:55', 'text': 'So recently, I went to Gulmarg and Kashmir.'},\n {'end_time': '25:59', 'start_time': '25:58', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '25:59', 'start_time': '25:59', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '26:02', 'start_time': '25:59', 'text': 'The way to go to Gulmarg is you go to Srinagar first.'},\n {'end_time': '26:02', 'start_time': '26:02', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '26:04', 'start_time': '26:02', 'text': 'And then you drive up to Gulmarg.'},\n {'end_time': '26:08', 'start_time': '26:04', 'text': 'So I went to Srinagar on the 3rd, and my family was supposed to arrive on the 4th.'},\n {'end_time': '26:09', 'start_time': '26:08', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '26:14', 'start_time': '26:09', 'text': \"But, it started snowing so much in Srinagar that my family couldn't make it to Srinagar.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:14', 'start_time': '26:14', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '26:18', 'start_time': '26:14', 'text': \"So I was kind of stuck in Sri Nagar alone and I thought, okay, it's fine.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:20', 'start_time': '26:18', 'text': 'Let me go and explore good more.'},\n {'end_time': '26:24', 'start_time': '26:20', 'text': \"When I went to Gulmar, I realized it's a bit of a ski town.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:26', 'start_time': '26:24', 'text': 'Like people go there to ski to snowboard.'},\n {'end_time': '26:36', 'start_time': '26:27', 'text': 'Even the hotel I was at Shaw Inn to get out of that hotel, you had to be careful not to slip in the snow.'},\n {'end_time': '26:38', 'start_time': '26:36', 'text': \"It wasn't simple to walk in the snow.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:48', 'start_time': '26:38', 'text': 'And this is the first time I was experiencing that depth of snow, on the way to Walmart, they make you stop at a rental place and, get these suits, I guess.'},\n {'end_time': '26:49', 'start_time': '26:48', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '26:49', 'start_time': '26:49', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '26:51', 'start_time': '26:49', 'text': 'Buy those big jackets, which are under side.'},\n {'end_time': '26:53', 'start_time': '26:51', 'text': 'I thought it must be much cooler up there.'},\n {'end_time': '26:53', 'start_time': '26:53', 'text': \"That's fine.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:56', 'start_time': '26:53', 'text': 'But they also make you buy these tall boots.'},\n {'end_time': '26:57', 'start_time': '26:56', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '27:02', 'start_time': '26:57', 'text': \"And that was, a new thing for me because I've never experienced that height of snow.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:06', 'start_time': '27:03', 'text': 'Then the moment you reach Goulmer, you see all the snow around you.'},\n {'end_time': '27:08', 'start_time': '27:06', 'text': 'So your first instinct is, Hey, I want to run-in the snow.'},\n {'end_time': '27:14', 'start_time': '27:08', 'text': 'So started running in the snow, but because it was so deep, some of the snow entered the tall boot and it starts melting.'},\n {'end_time': '27:15', 'start_time': '27:15', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '27:18', 'start_time': '27:16', 'text': 'And then you realize, oh, my foot is feeling a little numb.'},\n {'end_time': '27:23', 'start_time': '27:19', 'text': \"And then I realized, okay, that's why the, the tall boots exist in the first place.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:36', 'start_time': '27:24', 'text': \"If you try just wearing sneakers or something like that, even if the snow doesn't enter your sneakers, what ends up happening is that the sneaker becomes cold from underneath and the cold starts coming in from underneath.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:36', 'start_time': '27:36', 'text': 'Correct.'},\n {'end_time': '27:36', 'start_time': '27:36', 'text': 'Correct.'},\n {'end_time': '27:42', 'start_time': '27:37', 'text': 'So walking around and just being in snow is not as simple as It looks.'},\n {'end_time': '27:44', 'start_time': '27:42', 'text': 'It looks on cartoon network.'},\n {'end_time': '27:47', 'start_time': '27:46', 'text': \"It's a little more complex.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:55', 'start_time': '27:48', 'text': \"My first thought in Gulmar was good that my family didn't get this flight because there's a, you know, 2 year old child.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:55', 'start_time': '27:55', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '28:00', 'start_time': '27:56', 'text': \"My sister's also not very big on, like, exploration and all that.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:00', 'start_time': '28:00', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '28:02', 'start_time': '28:00', 'text': \"Like, you know, they've had their home bodies.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:02', 'start_time': '28:02', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '28:05', 'start_time': '28:02', 'text': \"So that was my first thought, but my second thought was, wow, let's explore this.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:08', 'start_time': '28:05', 'text': 'Like, this is fun, but you need to know how to go through snow.'},\n {'end_time': '28:09', 'start_time': '28:09', 'text': 'Correct.'},\n {'end_time': '28:14', 'start_time': '28:09', 'text': \"The reason I'm bringing this up is I walked in about minus 14 degree temperature.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:18', 'start_time': '28:14', 'text': 'I did a 30 minute hike from one hotel to another Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '28:19', 'start_time': '28:18', 'text': 'At 1 AM, 2 AM.'},\n {'end_time': '28:21', 'start_time': '28:20', 'text': 'Oh, in the night?'},\n {'end_time': '28:21', 'start_time': '28:21', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '28:25', 'start_time': '28:21', 'text': 'And they say that there are leopards and bears in the Gulmarg territory.'},\n {'end_time': '28:26', 'start_time': '28:25', 'text': \"It's relatively safe.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:26', 'start_time': '28:26', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '28:27', 'start_time': '28:26', 'text': 'But I was scared.'},\n {'end_time': '28:30', 'start_time': '28:28', 'text': 'I was cold, but I was at peace.'},\n {'end_time': '28:31', 'start_time': '28:30', 'text': 'I was enjoying myself.'},\n {'end_time': '28:32', 'start_time': '28:31', 'text': 'Some dogs are walking with me.'},\n {'end_time': '28:33', 'start_time': '28:32', 'text': 'It was fun.'},\n {'end_time': '28:38', 'start_time': '28:33', 'text': \"I can't imagine what it's like on the top of a peak.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:46', 'start_time': '28:38', 'text': 'It gets more and sometimes you get, like, 30, 50 feet snow deposit in winter, which gets compacted into into ice.'},\n {'end_time': '28:54', 'start_time': '28:46', 'text': 'And you can see that when you then explore in the next summer, you have these big ice bridges, snow bridges kind of they call it over the stream.'},\n {'end_time': '28:57', 'start_time': '28:54', 'text': 'So where they still exist at the beginning of the summer.'},\n {'end_time': '28:58', 'start_time': '28:57', 'text': \"So it's it's like massive.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:59', 'start_time': '28:58', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '29:00', 'start_time': '28:59', 'text': 'And snow is fun.'},\n {'end_time': '29:02', 'start_time': '29:00', 'text': 'Snow is usually a bit soft.'},\n {'end_time': '29:03', 'start_time': '29:02', 'text': 'You get a grip.'},\n {'end_time': '29:13', 'start_time': '29:03', 'text': 'But then the next morning when the snow is frozen and if you combine frozen snow, which is hard and slippery with, like, a steep, trail, then it becomes, quite tricky sometimes.'},\n {'end_time': '29:13', 'start_time': '29:13', 'text': 'Dangerous.'},\n {'end_time': '29:14', 'start_time': '29:14', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '29:16', 'start_time': '29:14', 'text': \"Because you don't get grip on that anymore.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:25', 'start_time': '29:16', 'text': 'You need, like, an Isaac sometimes to cut your way, through those steep frozen snow gullies on the way to the mountain pass to the peak.'},\n {'end_time': '29:27', 'start_time': '29:25', 'text': 'Have you come close to meeting a bear?'},\n {'end_time': '29:28', 'start_time': '29:28', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '29:32', 'start_time': '29:28', 'text': 'Well, a couple of times both in Salts as well as in the Himalayas like a black bear.'},\n {'end_time': '29:35', 'start_time': '29:32', 'text': 'Again, in Uttarakhand, a pretty wild place.'},\n {'end_time': '29:37', 'start_time': '29:35', 'text': 'So, usually, bears will keep their distance.'},\n {'end_time': '29:39', 'start_time': '29:37', 'text': 'They will not really come for you.'},\n {'end_time': '29:44', 'start_time': '29:39', 'text': 'But this was a case where we are crossing like a mountain stream so it was a bit noisy.'},\n {'end_time': '29:51', 'start_time': '29:44', 'text': \"I guess the bear didn't hear us coming and then we're climbing up on a small plateau and there the bear, I guess, was eating some berries.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:54', 'start_time': '29:51', 'text': 'He suddenly saw us, not too big.'},\n {'end_time': '29:56', 'start_time': '29:54', 'text': 'I think it was like a younger animal.'},\n {'end_time': '29:59', 'start_time': '29:56', 'text': 'And as soon as he saw us, actually he kind of moved away.'},\n {'end_time': '30:02', 'start_time': '30:00', 'text': 'Still capable of taking your guts out.'},\n {'end_time': '30:02', 'start_time': '30:02', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '30:02', 'start_time': '30:02', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '30:03', 'start_time': '30:02', 'text': 'Definitely.'},\n {'end_time': '30:13', 'start_time': '30:03', 'text': 'In South India, for example, near Tirupati, the Venkateswarna National Reserve Forest there, we came face to face with a big one like, more like a benign one, bear.'},\n {'end_time': '30:17', 'start_time': '30:13', 'text': 'And that guy was actually looking at us, so I guess he saw us coming.'},\n {'end_time': '30:22', 'start_time': '30:17', 'text': \"He was not afraid because, he's he's pretty big and we were like small human beings.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:30', 'start_time': '30:23', 'text': 'So there we, obviously, best thing to do is not to run away because then he might think, okay, let me just run behind them and catch them.'},\n {'end_time': '30:32', 'start_time': '30:30', 'text': 'So we kept holding ground.'},\n {'end_time': '30:32', 'start_time': '30:32', 'text': 'We remained calm.'},\n {'end_time': '30:34', 'start_time': '30:32', 'text': 'I told my guys, stay calm.'},\n {'end_time': '30:35', 'start_time': '30:34', 'text': \"We'll just see.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:36', 'start_time': '30:35', 'text': 'And we were looking at each other.'},\n {'end_time': '30:39', 'start_time': '30:36', 'text': \"We're standing in each other's eyes for about 30 seconds.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:40', 'start_time': '30:40', 'text': '30 seconds?'},\n {'end_time': '30:41', 'start_time': '30:40', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '30:42', 'start_time': '30:41', 'text': 'So he was thinking what to do.'},\n {'end_time': '30:46', 'start_time': '30:42', 'text': 'Is this a threat to me or is this could this be a prayer for me?'},\n {'end_time': '30:49', 'start_time': '30:46', 'text': 'And finally then he decided to walk away.'},\n {'end_time': '30:55', 'start_time': '30:50', 'text': \"I don't know why maybe we we didn't wash ourselves for almost 9 days that time.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:57', 'start_time': '30:55', 'text': 'So maybe the the smell of the human.'},\n {'end_time': '31:03', 'start_time': '30:58', 'text': 'But that, yeah, sometimes a bit tense, but I think you need need to remain calm.'},\n {'end_time': '31:09', 'start_time': '31:03', 'text': 'You cannot, appear offensive all, so you should not appear freight frightful towards animals.'},\n {'end_time': '31:13', 'start_time': '31:09', 'text': 'Then they might know, okay, this guy is scared of me, they might come after you.'},\n {'end_time': '31:17', 'start_time': '31:13', 'text': \"You know, I think that's what people don't understand about wild animals.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:22', 'start_time': '31:17', 'text': 'We call them wild, but I think people are much more wild than the animals.'},\n {'end_time': '31:27', 'start_time': '31:22', 'text': \"We are the ones who have exterminated much much of the We're the most dangerous biodiversity.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:28', 'start_time': '31:28', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '31:30', 'start_time': '31:28', 'text': \"We're the most dangerous animal out there.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:32', 'start_time': '31:30', 'text': \"So it's easy to call them wildlife.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:38', 'start_time': '31:32', 'text': 'I think we kind we call them wildlife because we have become so disconnected from the nature, from the natural habitat.'},\n {'end_time': '31:39', 'start_time': '31:39', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '31:45', 'start_time': '31:39', 'text': 'And we have so locked up in our concrete city that we are we kind of lost touch with the wilds.'},\n {'end_time': '31:48', 'start_time': '31:46', 'text': 'Look at the muscle of these animals.'},\n {'end_time': '31:49', 'start_time': '31:48', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '31:51', 'start_time': '31:50', 'text': \"It's crazy.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:53', 'start_time': '31:51', 'text': 'You know, I mean, I meant to say undomesticated.'},\n {'end_time': '32:00', 'start_time': '31:55', 'text': 'The thing is with deal, you know, the Indian goes, these things can easily kill you though.'},\n {'end_time': '32:01', 'start_time': '32:00', 'text': 'Like physically speaking.'},\n {'end_time': '32:01', 'start_time': '32:01', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '32:02', 'start_time': '32:01', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '32:11', 'start_time': '32:02', 'text': \"If you go too close or do something, but that's not what a lot of people assume until you've actually been to National Parks yourself and seen the size of these things.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:11', 'start_time': '32:11', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '32:15', 'start_time': '32:11', 'text': 'Neil, guy, all these things are it can be dangerous to go up close to it.'},\n {'end_time': '32:16', 'start_time': '32:15', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '32:16', 'start_time': '32:16', 'text': 'Indeed.'},\n {'end_time': '32:19', 'start_time': '32:18', 'text': 'Seen any snow leopards?'},\n {'end_time': '32:20', 'start_time': '32:20', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '32:21', 'start_time': '32:20', 'text': 'Not snow leopards.'},\n {'end_time': '32:24', 'start_time': '32:21', 'text': 'Only the the regular, the orange one, snow leopards.'},\n {'end_time': '32:30', 'start_time': '32:24', 'text': \"I would have I think 100 snow leopards would have seen me, but I haven't seen them, unfortunately.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:31', 'start_time': '32:30', 'text': \"That's very elusive.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:33', 'start_time': '32:31', 'text': \"Plus your eye can't catch them easily.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:33', 'start_time': '32:33', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '32:38', 'start_time': '32:33', 'text': \"I've I've seen like, like, those Ibexus mountain goats.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:40', 'start_time': '32:38', 'text': 'They they run on these vertical rock slopes.'},\n {'end_time': '32:41', 'start_time': '32:40', 'text': \"It's amazing.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:43', 'start_time': '32:41', 'text': 'Then you have rocks coming down.'},\n {'end_time': '32:47', 'start_time': '32:43', 'text': 'So even spotting those goats, they are so well camouflaged around here.'},\n {'end_time': '32:50', 'start_time': '32:47', 'text': \"It's very difficult to spot them in their natural habitat.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:52', 'start_time': '32:50', 'text': 'Have you seen any of them falling off?'},\n {'end_time': '32:56', 'start_time': '32:53', 'text': 'They are like masters of of those vertical rock faces.'},\n {'end_time': '32:58', 'start_time': '32:56', 'text': \"It's amazing how they simply run up and they run right.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:59', 'start_time': '32:58', 'text': \"They don't climb.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:01', 'start_time': '32:59', 'text': 'They run up a vertical rock face that you think.'},\n {'end_time': '33:03', 'start_time': '33:01', 'text': 'How is it even possible?'},\n {'end_time': '33:15', 'start_time': '33:05', 'text': 'But I guess, yeah, they are the prey of these, leopards, so they need to be very agile and very speedy in these, steep, terrains actually to survive, obviously.'},\n {'end_time': '33:23', 'start_time': '33:16', 'text': \"I've seen that carcass is like goats who have been killed probably by leopards and and whatever is left over then.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:29', 'start_time': '33:25', 'text': \"That leopard's body that you saw, you know, one with the flies in its eyes.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:29', 'start_time': '33:29', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '33:31', 'start_time': '33:29', 'text': 'It was completely dead.'},\n {'end_time': '33:31', 'start_time': '33:31', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '33:33', 'start_time': '33:31', 'text': 'That was a recent thing.'},\n {'end_time': '33:36', 'start_time': '33:33', 'text': 'So we I took the location and informed the forest department.'},\n {'end_time': '33:39', 'start_time': '33:36', 'text': 'Usually, they wanna see if there is any poaching involved.'},\n {'end_time': '33:41', 'start_time': '33:39', 'text': 'So those guys poaching up there?'},\n {'end_time': '33:42', 'start_time': '33:41', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '33:43', 'start_time': '33:42', 'text': 'I mean, a leopard has a beautiful skin.'},\n {'end_time': '33:44', 'start_time': '33:43', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '33:51', 'start_time': '33:44', 'text': 'Just like they might poach the, the elephants for the teeth or the, tigers in south for some of the skin.'},\n {'end_time': '33:53', 'start_time': '33:51', 'text': 'So there also is a potential.'},\n {'end_time': '34:00', 'start_time': '33:53', 'text': 'So then the forest, I guess, department took the location, came there, like, took them a little bit of time to reach that location, very remote.'},\n {'end_time': '34:08', 'start_time': '34:00', 'text': 'So they did kind of an autopsy and they kind of saw that it was more like a territorial dispute between 2, male leopards.'},\n {'end_time': '34:10', 'start_time': '34:09', 'text': 'This was the one that had died.'},\n {'end_time': '34:10', 'start_time': '34:10', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '34:12', 'start_time': '34:10', 'text': 'I I could see some damage on the skin probably.'},\n {'end_time': '34:15', 'start_time': '34:12', 'text': 'They had been, fighting over the territory.'},\n {'end_time': '34:18', 'start_time': '34:16', 'text': 'Do they attack any of the humans?'},\n {'end_time': '34:19', 'start_time': '34:18', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '34:23', 'start_time': '34:19', 'text': \"It's easier for a leopard to attack in, like, a small goatee compared to a human.\"},\n {'end_time': '34:27', 'start_time': '34:23', 'text': \"As a human, you're looking looking at a 5, 6 feet tall person.\"},\n {'end_time': '34:37', 'start_time': '34:27', 'text': \"They don't know how, harmless we are actually, how unprotected we are, but they probably just assess it by assesses by our height, I assume.\"},\n {'end_time': '34:42', 'start_time': '34:37', 'text': \"You know, it's like with 2 humans talking about leopards and we're saying they don't know how harmless we are.\"},\n {'end_time': '34:45', 'start_time': '34:42', 'text': 'I wonder if 2 leopards also talk about humans like that.'},\n {'end_time': '34:45', 'start_time': '34:45', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '34:48', 'start_time': '34:46', 'text': \"Because they don't know how harmless we are.\"},\n {'end_time': '34:48', 'start_time': '34:48', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '34:53', 'start_time': '34:48', 'text': 'But they would still I mean, like, we have a reputation at Humanity.'},\n {'end_time': '34:53', 'start_time': '34:53', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '34:59', 'start_time': '34:53', 'text': 'There are also a lot of locals there, I think, who are hunting actually, like bears or white larvae just for food.'},\n {'end_time': '35:00', 'start_time': '34:59', 'text': 'Really?'},\n {'end_time': '35:01', 'start_time': '35:00', 'text': 'So yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '35:01', 'start_time': '35:01', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '35:09', 'start_time': '35:01', 'text': \"I've seen, people in local villages who have guns not to protect but to hunt and and eat probably because that's what their forefathers used to do.\"},\n {'end_time': '35:10', 'start_time': '35:09', 'text': 'They eat bear meat?'},\n {'end_time': '35:11', 'start_time': '35:11', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '35:13', 'start_time': '35:11', 'text': 'Wild meat is usually, quite tasty.'},\n {'end_time': '35:17', 'start_time': '35:13', 'text': 'Even in Belgium, we used to eat wild meat from, the forests.'},\n {'end_time': '35:20', 'start_time': '35:17', 'text': \"I mean, I've heard of people eating, like, deer meat.\"},\n {'end_time': '35:21', 'start_time': '35:20', 'text': 'Deer deer and so on.'},\n {'end_time': '35:23', 'start_time': '35:21', 'text': 'But anything wild is is good.'},\n {'end_time': '35:26', 'start_time': '35:23', 'text': 'Even my dad used to be a hunter in Belgium.'},\n {'end_time': '35:28', 'start_time': '35:26', 'text': 'I mean, like, pheasants and geese and all that stuff.'},\n {'end_time': '35:33', 'start_time': '35:28', 'text': 'And the foods, I mean, the taste of wild meat is much better than domesticated.'},\n {'end_time': '35:35', 'start_time': '35:33', 'text': 'What does it taste like?'},\n {'end_time': '35:35', 'start_time': '35:35', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '35:37', 'start_time': '35:35', 'text': 'It tastes much more intense.'},\n {'end_time': '35:37', 'start_time': '35:37', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '35:43', 'start_time': '35:37', 'text': 'Because these animals have been eating like, herbal plants, raw natural things.'},\n {'end_time': '35:46', 'start_time': '35:43', 'text': 'They are not fed with, whatever we feed them in cages.'},\n {'end_time': '35:49', 'start_time': '35:46', 'text': 'They have been running freely in the wild.'},\n {'end_time': '35:52', 'start_time': '35:49', 'text': 'So the taste of the meat obviously is also better.'},\n {'end_time': '35:53', 'start_time': '35:52', 'text': 'Same with shepherds.'},\n {'end_time': '36:07', 'start_time': '35:53', 'text': 'Why do they take 100 or 1000 of sheeps in the meadows to graze the entire snow fed meadows during the summer because the quality of the meat and the milk is much better, than, what they would have if they grazed them near the village.'},\n {'end_time': '36:11', 'start_time': '36:07', 'text': 'So you said, like, the bakarwals and all these guys are mostly vegetarian, like, once in a while.'},\n {'end_time': '36:12', 'start_time': '36:11', 'text': \"That's all I see.\"},\n {'end_time': '36:14', 'start_time': '36:12', 'text': 'I mean, mostly they eat vegetarian foods.'},\n {'end_time': '36:18', 'start_time': '36:14', 'text': \"I'm sure they can also eat meats, but I think meat is too precious for them.\"},\n {'end_time': '36:23', 'start_time': '36:18', 'text': 'They would rather sell the meats after grazing the animals and they become big very quick.'},\n {'end_time': '36:24', 'start_time': '36:23', 'text': 'They multiply also.'},\n {'end_time': '36:30', 'start_time': '36:24', 'text': 'I told you 50 animals die, but then maybe 200 new sheep get born during 4 months of summer grazing.'},\n {'end_time': '36:34', 'start_time': '36:30', 'text': 'So they come back with fats big fat animals.'},\n {'end_time': '36:36', 'start_time': '36:34', 'text': 'They sell them in the cities.'},\n {'end_time': '36:40', 'start_time': '36:36', 'text': 'They come to Delhi, to Chandigarh, to Mumbai probably, the meats.'},\n {'end_time': '36:49', 'start_time': '36:40', 'text': 'And, they are pretty happy, I guess, with vegetarian meals and getting some of the revenue from the, the the herd that they have fed up there.'},\n {'end_time': '36:50', 'start_time': '36:49', 'text': 'The meat would be lamb.'},\n {'end_time': '36:51', 'start_time': '36:50', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '36:51', 'start_time': '36:51', 'text': 'Lamb.'},\n {'end_time': '36:51', 'start_time': '36:51', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '36:52', 'start_time': '36:51', 'text': 'Lamb.'},\n {'end_time': '36:56', 'start_time': '36:52', 'text': 'Goat goat and sheep, both 2 different animals, goat and sheep.'},\n {'end_time': '36:57', 'start_time': '36:56', 'text': 'Mutton and lamb.'},\n {'end_time': '36:58', 'start_time': '36:57', 'text': 'Mutton and lamb, I guess.'},\n {'end_time': '36:58', 'start_time': '36:58', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '36:59', 'start_time': '36:59', 'text': 'Lamb.'},\n {'end_time': '37:02', 'start_time': '37:00', 'text': 'And the Himalayas are full of that.'},\n {'end_time': '37:06', 'start_time': '37:02', 'text': 'Between May till September, you go anywhere above the permanent settlements.'},\n {'end_time': '37:12', 'start_time': '37:07', 'text': 'Anywhere above say 3,000 meter you will not find permanent settlements because there is too much of snow during the winter.'},\n {'end_time': '37:19', 'start_time': '37:12', 'text': 'But then during the summer when the snow line goes up to 4, 5000 meter all these meadows are full width bugger walls and shepherds.'},\n {'end_time': '37:26', 'start_time': '37:19', 'text': 'You can see beautiful this is like a dozen members, sheep gang coming down from the Churasi.'},\n {'end_time': '37:28', 'start_time': '37:27', 'text': 'Pass in Chamba.'},\n {'end_time': '37:31', 'start_time': '37:28', 'text': 'This is in Chamba, one of a a past 4000 meters.'},\n {'end_time': '37:34', 'start_time': '37:31', 'text': \"I'm standing on a glacier here which is covered by snow.\"},\n {'end_time': '37:39', 'start_time': '37:34', 'text': 'You can see my Isaacs which I used to climb up those frozen, steep slopes.'},\n {'end_time': '37:43', 'start_time': '37:39', 'text': \"And there's nobody there so I it's just me, myself, nobody.\"},\n {'end_time': '37:45', 'start_time': '37:43', 'text': 'All of a sudden I hear, baa.'},\n {'end_time': '37:46', 'start_time': '37:45', 'text': 'Then I look, where where?'},\n {'end_time': '37:54', 'start_time': '37:46', 'text': \"And suddenly, I see one goatee coming and then after a while, the entire gang comes down And it's beautiful to see that.\"},\n {'end_time': '37:55', 'start_time': '37:54', 'text': 'Look at the meadows.'},\n {'end_time': '37:55', 'start_time': '37:55', 'text': 'Look at that.'},\n {'end_time': '37:56', 'start_time': '37:55', 'text': \"So this is what I'm saying.\"},\n {'end_time': '38:00', 'start_time': '37:56', 'text': 'This is where the shepherds take their animals, say, during summer.'},\n {'end_time': '38:10', 'start_time': '38:00', 'text': 'So this is all covered in snow during winter, and as the summer comes, the snow melts and these meadows are full of nutritious herbal plants.'},\n {'end_time': '38:11', 'start_time': '38:10', 'text': 'And lots of weed.'},\n {'end_time': '38:12', 'start_time': '38:11', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '38:15', 'start_time': '38:12', 'text': 'Weed is also there like in Malana in some places.'},\n {'end_time': '38:22', 'start_time': '38:15', 'text': 'And then you can imagine if the animals are feeding on these meadows the entire summer, the the quality of the milk and meat is amazing.'},\n {'end_time': '38:32', 'start_time': '38:23', 'text': 'The the Pirponjal which separates Lahaul from, Himachal, like a 5,000 meter high or rock wall, very treacherous.'},\n {'end_time': '38:40', 'start_time': '38:32', 'text': 'I mean, crossing over this as a hiker is one thing, but crossing over this with a dozen sheep, you can imagine, is a different challenge for the shepherds.'},\n {'end_time': '38:46', 'start_time': '38:40', 'text': \"You can see all the footsteps of the sheep inside and it and it's very steep, very dangerous.\"},\n {'end_time': '38:50', 'start_time': '38:46', 'text': 'You can see a small mandir there, a small colorful flag at the end.'},\n {'end_time': '39:02', 'start_time': '38:50', 'text': \"So that's a small mandir where the shepherds will thank God for a safe passage because in case they get stuck here in bad weather at 5,000 meter, then maybe out of 1,000 sheep, 200 sheep might die.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:05', 'start_time': '39:02', 'text': 'They might simply get stuck, fall down, etcetera.'},\n {'end_time': '39:09', 'start_time': '39:06', 'text': 'How do you how do you feel about the Mandirs that you come across?'},\n {'end_time': '39:09', 'start_time': '39:09', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '39:15', 'start_time': '39:09', 'text': 'I think, people there are very religious, say, because they understand the overwhelming force of nature.'},\n {'end_time': '39:23', 'start_time': '39:15', 'text': 'They understand that we are very small in in in front of nature, which can be very overwhelming in these high altitude, places.'},\n {'end_time': '39:27', 'start_time': '39:23', 'text': 'If you go to the next slide, you can see some of these mountain tribes.'},\n {'end_time': '39:31', 'start_time': '39:27', 'text': 'They live in these beautiful, wooden mud houses.'},\n {'end_time': '39:32', 'start_time': '39:32', 'text': 'Zon?'},\n {'end_time': '39:34', 'start_time': '39:33', 'text': \"It's a single room.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:38', 'start_time': '39:34', 'text': 'They will cook, they will sleep, and they will, have a single room there.'},\n {'end_time': '39:39', 'start_time': '39:38', 'text': 'This is in Himachal Pradesh?'},\n {'end_time': '39:40', 'start_time': '39:39', 'text': 'This is in Cham Bayam.'},\n {'end_time': '39:43', 'start_time': '39:40', 'text': \"So there's those guys are called Gujars.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:44', 'start_time': '39:43', 'text': 'Gujars are mountain tribes.'},\n {'end_time': '39:46', 'start_time': '39:44', 'text': 'They live together with their animals.'},\n {'end_time': '39:48', 'start_time': '39:46', 'text': '50% of the house is for humans.'},\n {'end_time': '39:52', 'start_time': '39:48', 'text': '50% of the houses where the small goaties, small buffalos will stay.'},\n {'end_time': '39:59', 'start_time': '39:52', 'text': 'They keep them indoors again because in the night, predators are out there which might easily pick up these smaller animals.'},\n {'end_time': '40:00', 'start_time': '39:59', 'text': 'Do they ever take children away?'},\n {'end_time': '40:02', 'start_time': '40:01', 'text': \"I don't think so.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:06', 'start_time': '40:02', 'text': 'Mostly they go for little, children will be safe with the adults inside.'},\n {'end_time': '40:11', 'start_time': '40:07', 'text': 'And they will have dogs always, dogs to protect, whoever is there.'},\n {'end_time': '40:16', 'start_time': '40:11', 'text': 'So they live very simple and if you come there as an outsider, they recognize, oh, okay.'},\n {'end_time': '40:17', 'start_time': '40:16', 'text': 'This guy come.'},\n {'end_time': '40:20', 'start_time': '40:17', 'text': 'This is the first outsider that I see in my entire life here.'},\n {'end_time': '40:22', 'start_time': '40:20', 'text': 'So maybe this guy is lost.'},\n {'end_time': '40:23', 'start_time': '40:22', 'text': 'They get a bit worried on you.'},\n {'end_time': '40:29', 'start_time': '40:23', 'text': 'They will really take care of you like as you feel like a royal guest almost there.'},\n {'end_time': '40:31', 'start_time': '40:29', 'text': 'They will give you a cup of chai.'},\n {'end_time': '40:32', 'start_time': '40:31', 'text': 'They will feed you.'},\n {'end_time': '40:34', 'start_time': '40:32', 'text': 'They will make you comfortable beds.'},\n {'end_time': '40:39', 'start_time': '40:34', 'text': 'They will pack up some food the next day, and they will show you, the right way to the to the pause or something.'},\n {'end_time': '40:41', 'start_time': '40:39', 'text': 'So amazing people.'},\n {'end_time': '40:43', 'start_time': '40:41', 'text': 'What what food do you eat in Himachal Pradesh?'},\n {'end_time': '40:47', 'start_time': '40:44', 'text': 'Mostly like rotis in the evening and the rice midday.'},\n {'end_time': '40:50', 'start_time': '40:47', 'text': 'They prepare With, like, a sabji?'},\n {'end_time': '40:51', 'start_time': '40:50', 'text': 'All kinds of sabji.'},\n {'end_time': '40:52', 'start_time': '40:51', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '40:52', 'start_time': '40:52', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '40:53', 'start_time': '40:53', 'text': 'Yep.'},\n {'end_time': '40:53', 'start_time': '40:53', 'text': 'Gotcha.'},\n {'end_time': '40:57', 'start_time': '40:54', 'text': 'Can you go to the next slide?'},\n {'end_time': '40:59', 'start_time': '40:57', 'text': 'I can hear those beautiful meadows.'},\n {'end_time': '41:00', 'start_time': '40:59', 'text': 'This is in the Pangi Valley.'},\n {'end_time': '41:04', 'start_time': '41:00', 'text': \"Pangi is a subdistrict of Chamba and it's part of Himachal Pradesh.\"},\n {'end_time': '41:05', 'start_time': '41:04', 'text': 'What month is this?'},\n {'end_time': '41:08', 'start_time': '41:05', 'text': 'This is in this you can see because the meadows are in full bloom.'},\n {'end_time': '41:11', 'start_time': '41:08', 'text': 'This is in the summer somewhere in July, August.'},\n {'end_time': '41:13', 'start_time': '41:11', 'text': \"We're at 4,000 meter altitude here.\"},\n {'end_time': '41:21', 'start_time': '41:13', 'text': \"If you come here, say, beyond September all the way till May, it will be completely covered in snow because it's 4,000 meters.\"},\n {'end_time': '41:29', 'start_time': '41:22', 'text': 'So as soon as the snow melts, you get these beautiful colors and as you go from lower to higher altitude the colors will change.'},\n {'end_time': '41:30', 'start_time': '41:29', 'text': \"It's like a rainbow.\"},\n {'end_time': '41:31', 'start_time': '41:30', 'text': 'Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '41:36', 'start_time': '41:31', 'text': 'One flower will live, flourish at say 3,500 meter.'},\n {'end_time': '41:40', 'start_time': '41:36', 'text': 'You go 200 meter higher, a pink flower comes, then a blue flower, then a red flower.'},\n {'end_time': '41:42', 'start_time': '41:40', 'text': \"It's like walking on a rainbow.\"},\n {'end_time': '41:43', 'start_time': '41:42', 'text': 'Really beautiful.'},\n {'end_time': '41:47', 'start_time': '41:45', 'text': 'Have you have you ever eaten any of the flowers?'},\n {'end_time': '41:48', 'start_time': '41:48', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '41:51', 'start_time': '41:48', 'text': 'So I know a couple of flowers like in Ladakh, for example.'},\n {'end_time': '41:59', 'start_time': '41:51', 'text': 'If you run out of water or food, you can help yourself with some of the natural flowers that you know are edible.'},\n {'end_time': '42:01', 'start_time': '41:59', 'text': 'So I know a couple of flowers there which you could collect.'},\n {'end_time': '42:07', 'start_time': '42:01', 'text': 'You could, cook them into a sub g and survive in case you can run out of food ration.'},\n {'end_time': '42:08', 'start_time': '42:07', 'text': 'What is the base like?'},\n {'end_time': '42:10', 'start_time': '42:09', 'text': 'That was pretty good.'},\n {'end_time': '42:18', 'start_time': '42:10', 'text': 'Sometimes even in the villages, like even in Manali, a touristic place, you can order some of those local, fetched up plants from the Meadows, taste.'},\n {'end_time': '42:20', 'start_time': '42:18', 'text': 'So, you know, just like a vegetable sub g.'},\n {'end_time': '42:21', 'start_time': '42:21', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '42:21', 'start_time': '42:21', 'text': 'Gotcha.'},\n {'end_time': '42:24', 'start_time': '42:22', 'text': 'Like, here you can see those steep rock faces.'},\n {'end_time': '42:32', 'start_time': '42:24', 'text': 'This is the Marghu Pass and the Pirpanjal separating Lahore from Jamba, where again, some 5 700 sheep come down very, very steep.'},\n {'end_time': '42:40', 'start_time': '42:32', 'text': \"It'll just be like a labyrinth, a small little place where they can come down through, these vertical, rock faces.\"},\n {'end_time': '42:43', 'start_time': '42:43', 'text': 'Voila.'},\n {'end_time': '42:50', 'start_time': '42:43', 'text': 'These are the the guys, the tribe the tribals, like, the Gujars smiling faces like you saw with the kids earlier.'},\n {'end_time': '42:51', 'start_time': '42:50', 'text': 'They have nothing.'},\n {'end_time': '42:52', 'start_time': '42:51', 'text': 'They just have a wooden stick.'},\n {'end_time': '42:54', 'start_time': '42:52', 'text': 'They have a 60 rupee rubber shoe.'},\n {'end_time': '42:59', 'start_time': '42:54', 'text': \"So we'll come there sometimes with our fancy camping gears and fancy shoes.\"},\n {'end_time': '43:06', 'start_time': '42:59', 'text': 'But these guys, they will easily tame this, terrain and in very simple, they will have a woolen blanket.'},\n {'end_time': '43:10', 'start_time': '43:07', 'text': 'And as soon as they see you, you can see a big smiling face.'},\n {'end_time': '43:16', 'start_time': '43:10', 'text': 'You will you will try to pass on, but they will be really insisting no no no tonight you stay with us.'},\n {'end_time': '43:19', 'start_time': '43:16', 'text': \"And they'll start cooking for you and feeding you.\"},\n {'end_time': '43:20', 'start_time': '43:20', 'text': 'They will run off.'},\n {'end_time': '43:21', 'start_time': '43:20', 'text': 'They will find the goat.'},\n {'end_time': '43:30', 'start_time': '43:21', 'text': 'They will start milking the goat, prepare tea fresh from the goat, and it will taste like unlike any tea you taste in, stinker milk.'},\n {'end_time': '43:31', 'start_time': '43:30', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '43:32', 'start_time': '43:31', 'text': 'Milk will be very good.'},\n {'end_time': '43:32', 'start_time': '43:32', 'text': 'Milk.'},\n {'end_time': '43:41', 'start_time': '43:32', 'text': 'And sometimes if you go with, like, the Bakarwals who are herding buffalos, the energy you get from a cup of buffalo milk or tea is, like, extraordinary.'},\n {'end_time': '43:43', 'start_time': '43:42', 'text': \"It's, like, amazing.\"},\n {'end_time': '43:43', 'start_time': '43:43', 'text': 'Like, what?'},\n {'end_time': '43:44', 'start_time': '43:43', 'text': 'Do you feel charged?'},\n {'end_time': '43:44', 'start_time': '43:44', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '43:48', 'start_time': '43:44', 'text': 'You feel, like, the nutrition in in in buffalo milk is amazing.'},\n {'end_time': '43:52', 'start_time': '43:49', 'text': 'Especially at that altitude, it must be creating a lot of heat.'},\n {'end_time': '43:52', 'start_time': '43:52', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '43:53', 'start_time': '43:52', 'text': 'Indeed.'},\n {'end_time': '43:54', 'start_time': '43:53', 'text': 'You have been excellent.'},\n {'end_time': '43:56', 'start_time': '43:54', 'text': 'This is a typical mountain pass.'},\n {'end_time': '43:59', 'start_time': '43:56', 'text': \"It's like like a passage you can say from one world to another world.\"},\n {'end_time': '44:05', 'start_time': '44:00', 'text': 'So you cross some mountain range, here the Chobia Pass, connecting Lahore with Chamba Valley.'},\n {'end_time': '44:09', 'start_time': '44:05', 'text': 'Down there, you can see a massive glacier, a very dangerous one.'},\n {'end_time': '44:11', 'start_time': '44:09', 'text': \"It's full of crevices, those deep cuts.\"},\n {'end_time': '44:15', 'start_time': '44:12', 'text': 'If you Have you ever had a fall or anything?'},\n {'end_time': '44:15', 'start_time': '44:15', 'text': 'In a crevice?'},\n {'end_time': '44:17', 'start_time': '44:15', 'text': \"So as a solo hiker, it's a bit risky.\"},\n {'end_time': '44:18', 'start_time': '44:17', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '44:21', 'start_time': '44:18', 'text': \"Because in case you fall in a crevice, there's nobody to save you.\"},\n {'end_time': '44:23', 'start_time': '44:21', 'text': \"There's nobody even know that you're stuck somewhere.\"},\n {'end_time': '44:27', 'start_time': '44:24', 'text': 'Usually when you walk across a glacier, you will use ropes to rope up.'},\n {'end_time': '44:31', 'start_time': '44:27', 'text': 'If one of the guys slips inside, the other guys can pull them out.'},\n {'end_time': '44:37', 'start_time': '44:31', 'text': \"So going solo and some of these glaciers are covered in snow which means you don't even see the cuts in the crevices.\"},\n {'end_time': '44:39', 'start_time': '44:38', 'text': 'Crevices are formed by melt water.'},\n {'end_time': '44:49', 'start_time': '44:40', 'text': 'So then use your hiking poles, you have to keep pushing under the snow whether there is any sudden hole under the snow, a bit tricky, and, find a way around it.'},\n {'end_time': '44:52', 'start_time': '44:51', 'text': \"So but yeah, it's interesting.\"},\n {'end_time': '44:54', 'start_time': '44:52', 'text': 'Those glaciers are again unique.'},\n {'end_time': '44:57', 'start_time': '44:54', 'text': 'You will only find them at 4,500, meter and above.'},\n {'end_time': '45:01', 'start_time': '44:58', 'text': \"And it's amazing to walk on like an ice sheet, a permanent ice.\"},\n {'end_time': '45:03', 'start_time': '45:01', 'text': 'This has been there for 10000 years.'},\n {'end_time': '45:05', 'start_time': '45:03', 'text': 'Imagine permanently frozen snow.'},\n {'end_time': '45:11', 'start_time': '45:05', 'text': \"It's like 20 kilometer long, 1 kilometer wide, and it's like a different world that you're walking on.\"},\n {'end_time': '45:12', 'start_time': '45:11', 'text': \"It's a world of ice.\"},\n {'end_time': '45:20', 'start_time': '45:13', 'text': 'So really, back here you can see the shepherds getting down the Kuukti Pass in Chamba Valley.'},\n {'end_time': '45:26', 'start_time': '45:20', 'text': \"It's like 1 kilometer of, sheep in front of him because, right, it's dows and sheep, right, and there is a small little trail.\"},\n {'end_time': '45:29', 'start_time': '45:26', 'text': \"So it's like sometimes 1 or 2 kilometer long.\"},\n {'end_time': '45:32', 'start_time': '45:30', 'text': \"And you can see it's a dog there.\"},\n {'end_time': '45:39', 'start_time': '45:32', 'text': 'The dog who is gonna protect the, sheep from, like, leopards and other, predators.'},\n {'end_time': '45:40', 'start_time': '45:40', 'text': 'K.'},\n {'end_time': '45:44', 'start_time': '45:42', 'text': \"I'm having a lot of fun speaking with you.\"},\n {'end_time': '45:46', 'start_time': '45:44', 'text': 'Come once, happy to the Himalayas.'},\n {'end_time': '45:48', 'start_time': '45:46', 'text': 'I can take you for a nice hike.'},\n {'end_time': '45:48', 'start_time': '45:48', 'text': 'Happy to.'},\n {'end_time': '45:49', 'start_time': '45:48', 'text': 'Happy to.'},\n {'end_time': '45:51', 'start_time': '45:49', 'text': \"I'm I'm always open to going for hikes.\"},\n {'end_time': '45:54', 'start_time': '45:51', 'text': \"It's when the mountaineers invite me that I get a little scared.\"},\n {'end_time': '45:55', 'start_time': '45:54', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '45:57', 'start_time': '45:55', 'text': 'Because I feel like mountaineers are a little bit extreme.'},\n {'end_time': '45:59', 'start_time': '45:57', 'text': \"You know, they're pros ropes and stuff.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:02', 'start_time': '45:59', 'text': \"So I keep my feet on the ground, so you don't have to worry.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:06', 'start_time': '46:02', 'text': \"We'll always have both feet on the ground and gives you a more reassuring feeling.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:06', 'start_time': '46:06', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '46:07', 'start_time': '46:06', 'text': 'Happy to.'},\n {'end_time': '46:09', 'start_time': '46:07', 'text': \"You know, you're showing me all these photos.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:09', 'start_time': '46:09', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '46:12', 'start_time': '46:09', 'text': \"And the question that's ringing in my head is about Yetis.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:13', 'start_time': '46:12', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '46:13', 'start_time': '46:13', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '46:15', 'start_time': '46:13', 'text': \"It's actually one of the themes on the show.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:16', 'start_time': '46:15', 'text': 'We keep bringing up the Yeti.'},\n {'end_time': '46:19', 'start_time': '46:18', 'text': 'How do you feel about the subject?'},\n {'end_time': '46:20', 'start_time': '46:20', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '46:22', 'start_time': '46:20', 'text': \"Yetis, I've also heard about it.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:26', 'start_time': '46:22', 'text': \"The the big giant which hasn't been spotted, I guess.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:32', 'start_time': '46:27', 'text': 'I think I saw some article in the news a couple of years ago that the army saw some big footsteps somewhere.'},\n {'end_time': '46:35', 'start_time': '46:32', 'text': \"I think I've also seen similar things.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:41', 'start_time': '46:35', 'text': 'So what usually happens is when you walk in snow, initially, the footprint will just be the size of your foot.'},\n {'end_time': '46:54', 'start_time': '46:42', 'text': 'But as the snow melts during the day and it freezes during the night, actually, the food can expand so that it looks like a bigger footprint in the snow and that you might think, oh, some kind of giant has walked across here.'},\n {'end_time': '46:58', 'start_time': '46:54', 'text': \"You've seen so much of the mountains, so much of the mountains.\"},\n {'end_time': '47:06', 'start_time': '46:58', 'text': \"It's beautiful actually and imagine if you go for really months altogether Ranveer, and every day is is like a step into the unknown.\"},\n {'end_time': '47:06', 'start_time': '47:06', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '47:07', 'start_time': '47:06', 'text': \"You don't know where you're gonna end up.\"},\n {'end_time': '47:09', 'start_time': '47:07', 'text': \"You don't know where you're gonna sleep.\"},\n {'end_time': '47:11', 'start_time': '47:09', 'text': \"You don't know whether you're gonna find food.\"},\n {'end_time': '47:13', 'start_time': '47:11', 'text': 'You see beautiful pictures of the Sahyadris there.'},\n {'end_time': '47:18', 'start_time': '47:13', 'text': 'In 2019, I was able to cover 200 forts in just 2 months.'},\n {'end_time': '47:20', 'start_time': '47:18', 'text': 'Do you like exploring the Sahyadris as well?'},\n {'end_time': '47:24', 'start_time': '47:20', 'text': 'Sahyadris are perfect during the winter, so come get.'},\n {'end_time': '47:28', 'start_time': '47:24', 'text': 'This is, you know, some of those beautiful water bodies with one of my buddies.'},\n {'end_time': '47:34', 'start_time': '47:29', 'text': \"The beauty of the Sahyadris is it's it's naturally, it's beautiful just like the Himalayas, but you have that rich history.\"},\n {'end_time': '47:40', 'start_time': '47:34', 'text': 'All these, like, forts out there, and every fort has a story, right, of some conquest.'},\n {'end_time': '47:45', 'start_time': '47:41', 'text': \"So I've done a lot of mapping and exploration in the Sahaja region also.\"},\n {'end_time': '47:46', 'start_time': '47:45', 'text': 'How do you how do you feel inside the forts?'},\n {'end_time': '47:47', 'start_time': '47:47', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '47:54', 'start_time': '47:47', 'text': 'It gives you something, right, to step on a rock, cut, step somewhere that was cut out there like 4 centuries ago.'},\n {'end_time': '47:58', 'start_time': '47:54', 'text': 'Many of these forts date from the 16th, 17th century, I understand.'},\n {'end_time': '48:09', 'start_time': '47:59', 'text': \"So it it has something magical actually that you walk on like a century old path that was carved out through the forest, and it's it's a little bit different.\"},\n {'end_time': '48:13', 'start_time': '48:09', 'text': 'Like, the geography here is more like, volcanic geography.'},\n {'end_time': '48:17', 'start_time': '48:13', 'text': 'I I think Sahayadris were farmed there with, like, some 20 layers of volcanic eruptions.'},\n {'end_time': '48:24', 'start_time': '48:18', 'text': 'So you get these beautiful, like, vertical cliffs where the Deccan Plateau drops down into the Konkan foothills.'},\n {'end_time': '48:25', 'start_time': '48:25', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '48:41', 'start_time': '48:25', 'text': 'And similar to the Himalayas, so here I used to go with a small backpack for 2 months continuously and stay during the night in some of these small, little hamlets, farming hamlets at the base of the forts, and then again experiencing really warm hospitality.'},\n {'end_time': '48:57', 'start_time': '48:41', 'text': 'I still remember at the base of one of the forts where, again, I was trying to just settle down in a small temple in the center of the village and people actually came to the temple, they picked me up, took them into my into their house, gave me a bucket of hot water to take a shower after almost a week.'},\n {'end_time': '49:06', 'start_time': '48:58', 'text': 'And then they insisted after feeding me, there was only one bed there, but I sleep in the beds and they were sleeping on the floor next to me, which made me feel very guilty.'},\n {'end_time': '49:10', 'start_time': '49:08', 'text': \"So I mean it's really heartwarming.\"},\n {'end_time': '49:14', 'start_time': '49:11', 'text': 'A little bit of technical stuff here in the Sandon Valley.'},\n {'end_time': '49:18', 'start_time': '49:14', 'text': 'So Have you ever slipped during your rock climbing sessions?'},\n {'end_time': '49:18', 'start_time': '49:18', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '49:24', 'start_time': '49:18', 'text': \"So I've done, like, as I said, some 10000 kilometer roughly just in the last couple of years itself across the Himalayas.\"},\n {'end_time': '49:31', 'start_time': '49:24', 'text': 'The terrain can be steep and dangerous, but I think, before this, I was a bit of an ultra runner.'},\n {'end_time': '49:35', 'start_time': '49:31', 'text': 'I used to run, like, 4,000 kilometer every year in the mountains in south.'},\n {'end_time': '49:41', 'start_time': '49:35', 'text': \"So I think the legs are pretty strong and I haven't had any ankle, ankle twist or anything.\"},\n {'end_time': '49:44', 'start_time': '49:41', 'text': \"I haven't gone in any, 1 28 hour experience.\"},\n {'end_time': '49:46', 'start_time': '49:45', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '49:48', 'start_time': '49:46', 'text': \"You're a very interesting man, Peter.\"},\n {'end_time': '49:48', 'start_time': '49:48', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '49:52', 'start_time': '49:48', 'text': \"I mean, it's, you have to realize I think 2 things.\"},\n {'end_time': '49:54', 'start_time': '49:52', 'text': '1, life is short, number 1.'},\n {'end_time': '49:58', 'start_time': '49:54', 'text': 'And secondly, nature that we live on a very beautiful planet.'},\n {'end_time': '50:00', 'start_time': '49:58', 'text': \"People don't realize it.\"},\n {'end_time': '50:06', 'start_time': '50:00', 'text': \"So, don't really focus too much on career and work until you're old and it's too late.\"},\n {'end_time': '50:13', 'start_time': '50:06', 'text': 'Try to take a break and explore and, really, experience some of this beautiful match nature out there.'},\n {'end_time': '50:14', 'start_time': '50:13', 'text': \"It's it's really amazing.\"},\n {'end_time': '50:18', 'start_time': '50:15', 'text': 'What goes on in your mind when you see all those stars up there?'},\n {'end_time': '50:19', 'start_time': '50:18', 'text': 'Look at this again.'},\n {'end_time': '50:20', 'start_time': '50:19', 'text': \"It's like beautiful.\"},\n {'end_time': '50:22', 'start_time': '50:20', 'text': 'You see clouds of stars there.'},\n {'end_time': '50:22', 'start_time': '50:22', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '50:23', 'start_time': '50:22', 'text': \"That's what I told you.\"},\n {'end_time': '50:30', 'start_time': '50:23', 'text': \"When you sleep and it's just you, the campfire, and and the Milky Way on top of you, you you feel like some cosmic connection.\"},\n {'end_time': '50:39', 'start_time': '50:30', 'text': \"Actually, I'm I told you I'm not a religious person, but at that moment, you feel like there is something out there, there is some force out there in which is bigger than all of us.\"},\n {'end_time': '50:43', 'start_time': '50:39', 'text': 'And and I think all of us are connected with some kind of invisible energy.'},\n {'end_time': '50:45', 'start_time': '50:44', 'text': 'And you can really feel that.'},\n {'end_time': '50:48', 'start_time': '50:45', 'text': \"I mean, just that it's like you're pretty close.\"},\n {'end_time': '50:49', 'start_time': '50:48', 'text': \"You're at 4, 5000 meter.\"},\n {'end_time': '50:56', 'start_time': '50:49', 'text': \"You see the beautiful stars on top of you, and you kind of feel some connection that you're part of something bigger.\"},\n {'end_time': '51:00', 'start_time': '50:58', 'text': \"It's difficult to explain but No.\"},\n {'end_time': '51:01', 'start_time': '51:00', 'text': \"I I understand what you're saying.\"},\n {'end_time': '51:08', 'start_time': '51:01', 'text': 'You feel some raw energy that that you cannot feel here because there is too many layers of human, interference there.'},\n {'end_time': '51:23', 'start_time': '51:08', 'text': \"You're actually in a in a piece of the planet which has not been touched by the modern human hand and you can still experience that raw connection with look at these beautiful pictures at night with the stars on top of you and yeah.\"},\n {'end_time': '51:27', 'start_time': '51:23', 'text': 'I mean, live in the wild is is something that everybody should experience.'},\n {'end_time': '51:28', 'start_time': '51:27', 'text': \"I think it's a must.\"},\n {'end_time': '51:30', 'start_time': '51:28', 'text': 'You can see some of the forts in the Sahyadris.'},\n {'end_time': '51:33', 'start_time': '51:31', 'text': 'You can see the guys with the AK 47.'},\n {'end_time': '51:37', 'start_time': '51:34', 'text': 'So 2,022, I did some 1,000 kilometer in Jammu.'},\n {'end_time': '51:46', 'start_time': '51:39', 'text': 'So all fine, but as soon as you come towards GNK, I would have ended up in this is like 2 months.'},\n {'end_time': '51:55', 'start_time': '51:46', 'text': \"I would have ended up some 10 times either in a police station or in an army check post and all friendly people, but, yeah, it's a bit kind of difficult.\"},\n {'end_time': '51:55', 'start_time': '51:55', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '52:01', 'start_time': '51:55', 'text': \"You're you're in a 100 kilometer traverse and then some shepherd will say there's a foreigner here.\"},\n {'end_time': '52:04', 'start_time': '52:01', 'text': 'I mean, not a foreigner, an outsider here roaming around there.'},\n {'end_time': '52:06', 'start_time': '52:04', 'text': 'What is this guy doing here?'},\n {'end_time': '52:10', 'start_time': '52:06', 'text': \"Then they pick you up and they take you to a police station 5 up where it's down the valley.\"},\n {'end_time': '52:12', 'start_time': '52:11', 'text': 'So you lose the momentum.'},\n {'end_time': '52:20', 'start_time': '52:13', 'text': 'This whole episode has been about getting to understand what the human mind and body are actually meant to do.'},\n {'end_time': '52:21', 'start_time': '52:20', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '52:22', 'start_time': '52:21', 'text': \"We're meant to be out in nature.\"},\n {'end_time': '52:26', 'start_time': '52:22', 'text': \"That's how our bodies have evolved to be hunter gatherers, to be nomadic.\"},\n {'end_time': '52:27', 'start_time': '52:26', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '52:27', 'start_time': '52:27', 'text': \"That's it.\"},\n {'end_time': '52:29', 'start_time': '52:27', 'text': \"That's today's episode, Peter.\"},\n {'end_time': '52:29', 'start_time': '52:29', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '52:34', 'start_time': '52:30', 'text': 'Any message for all the people watching this completely fascinated by your reality?'},\n {'end_time': '52:34', 'start_time': '52:34', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '52:35', 'start_time': '52:34', 'text': 'I would say take a break.'},\n {'end_time': '52:37', 'start_time': '52:35', 'text': \"Sometimes, guys, don't be too much focused.\"},\n {'end_time': '52:40', 'start_time': '52:37', 'text': 'Keep, life work balance.'},\n {'end_time': '52:43', 'start_time': '52:40', 'text': 'Sometimes take a break, and please come join me in the Himalayas.'},\n {'end_time': '52:47', 'start_time': '52:43', 'text': 'I also teach twice a year, like in Manali, a one week course.'},\n {'end_time': '52:58', 'start_time': '52:47', 'text': \"You're welcome to join my alpine field boot camp where I can teach you some of these survival skills, map reading, navigation skills so that you can also pick up a bag and head out into the wild.\"},\n {'end_time': '53:00', 'start_time': '52:59', 'text': 'And spot some Yetis maybe.'},\n {'end_time': '53:00', 'start_time': '53:00', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '53:03', 'start_time': '53:00', 'text': 'Maybe find the Yeti, the elusive Yeti.'},\n {'end_time': '53:05', 'start_time': '53:03', 'text': 'Peter Van Geet, thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '53:06', 'start_time': '53:05', 'text': 'Appreciate your time.'},\n {'end_time': '53:07', 'start_time': '53:06', 'text': 'Appreciate your presence.'},\n {'end_time': '53:08', 'start_time': '53:07', 'text': 'Nice to be here.'},\n {'end_time': '53:08', 'start_time': '53:08', 'text': 'Thanks, Ramit.'},\n {'end_time': '53:09', 'start_time': '53:08', 'text': 'Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '53:09', 'start_time': '53:09', 'text': 'Thank you, brother.'},\n {'end_time': '53:10', 'start_time': '53:09', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '53:13', 'start_time': '53:10', 'text': 'That was the episode for today, ladies and gentlemen.'},\n {'end_time': '53:17', 'start_time': '53:13', 'text': \"I'm always looking out for guests like this who are slightly alternate.\"},\n {'end_time': '53:22', 'start_time': '53:18', 'text': \"I'm always looking for guests who have something fresh to bring to the table.\"},\n {'end_time': '53:29', 'start_time': '53:23', 'text': 'I do believe that the Indian podcast space is booming, but I also believe that people are not reinventing the space.'},\n {'end_time': '53:37', 'start_time': '53:29', 'text': 'People are only bringing the same kind of conversations, which is the thinking behind this particular episode or episodes like this in general.'},\n {'end_time': '53:39', 'start_time': '53:37', 'text': \"It's such a breath of fresh air.\"},\n {'end_time': '53:39', 'start_time': '53:39', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '53:41', 'start_time': '53:39', 'text': 'So tell me what you thought of this one.'},\n {'end_time': '53:50', 'start_time': '53:41', 'text': \"Do suggest guests like these if you know people like this within the realms of India, and please tell me what you thought of today's conversation.\"},\n {'end_time': '53:52', 'start_time': '53:50', 'text': 'Share it with all your friends.'},\n {'end_time': '53:54', 'start_time': '53:52', 'text': 'Peter Van Geet will be back on TRS.'},\n {'end_time': '53:59', 'start_time': '53:54', 'text': 'Ranveer and the whole team will also return with another fresh perspective very, very soon.'},\n {'end_time': '54:00', 'start_time': '53:59', 'text': 'Lots of 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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:04", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "You're a multi billionaire European founder who's moved to Gandhi Nagar." }, { "end_time": "0:05", "start_time": "0:04", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "0:07", "start_time": "0:05", "text": "Why did you choose Gujarat in India?" }, { "end_time": "0:09", "start_time": "0:07", "text": "We have a rule that to do is we never go to tier 1 cities." }, { "end_time": "0:14", "start_time": "0:09", "text": "We always go to tier 2 cities because that's where we can have a better redemption of the increase." }, { "end_time": "0:16", "start_time": "0:14", "text": "No one's ever said that on this show." }, { "end_time": "0:17", "start_time": "0:16", "text": "They should." }, { "end_time": "0:20", "start_time": "0:17", "text": "Tell me from the perspective you had before you actually went to China." }, { "end_time": "0:24", "start_time": "0:20", "text": "Why did you choose that country, and what was the reality check?" }, { "end_time": "0:26", "start_time": "0:24", "text": "Before you we went to China, I saw China like India." }, { "end_time": "0:30", "start_time": "0:26", "text": "But then the problem in in China is that first, you cannot appoint a company in China." }, { "end_time": "0:33", "start_time": "0:30", "text": "A company in China has to be owned by a Chinese person." }, { "end_time": "0:35", "start_time": "0:33", "text": "If you have to choose one country to invest, it is India." }, { "end_time": "0:38", "start_time": "0:35", "text": "And if I have to choose a second one, I would pick India too." }, { "end_time": "0:39", "start_time": "0:38", "text": "Really?" }, { "end_time": "0:39", "start_time": "0:39", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "0:42", "start_time": "0:39", "text": "There is no other country with that level of opportunities." }, { "end_time": "0:50", "start_time": "0:43", "text": "For the other foreigner founders, you know, founders from other countries who want to expand in this country, what's your advice to them?" }, { "end_time": "0:53", "start_time": "0:50", "text": "Book a flight ticket and come there a few weeks, meet people." }, { "end_time": "0:55", "start_time": "0:53", "text": "And in India they have a very entrepreneurial mindset." }, { "end_time": "0:59", "start_time": "0:55", "text": "So you will find good relationship that you can start using and everything." }, { "end_time": "1:00", "start_time": "0:59", "text": "You're a very memorable guy." }, { "end_time": "1:09", "start_time": "1:00", "text": "Like, if you've done so much in life and you're so humble, you know, I find that very crazy, man, because I don't like saying this, but you don't see too much of that in India." }, { "end_time": "1:20", "start_time": "1:12", "text": "As I'm recording this intro, mister Fabian Pankaj has just left our studio after a 3 hour conversation." }, { "end_time": "1:28", "start_time": "1:20", "text": "I rarely stretch conversations up to the 3 hour mark unless I truly feel like I'm extracting value out of my guest." }, { "end_time": "1:35", "start_time": "1:28", "text": "Created a business conversation on the podcast after a very long time, because this business story is very, very interesting." }, { "end_time": "1:49", "start_time": "1:36", "text": "As you saw in the trailer, it's about a self made billionaire who now finds himself in Gujarat in India because he's trying to expand his business operations while he sits in Gandhi Nagar." }, { "end_time": "1:59", "start_time": "1:49", "text": "So of course we spoke about expanding business within India, but he's had the experience of living in America, of trying to expand his business in China." }, { "end_time": "2:02", "start_time": "1:59", "text": "So it's a very global business oriented conversation." }, { "end_time": "2:20", "start_time": "2:03", "text": "If you're an Indian viewer, you're going to learn about your country once again, but from a foreigner's perspective, from a very, very successful founder's perspective, and if you're someone who's looking at India as a possible place, you'd like to expand your own business ventures." }, { "end_time": "2:25", "start_time": "2:20", "text": "This is the ultimate 101 that I could bring forward for you." }, { "end_time": "2:35", "start_time": "2:25", "text": "All the questions were centered around extracting value for business owners and people who want to learn more about international markets." }, { "end_time": "2:36", "start_time": "2:35", "text": "It's a very deep podcast." }, { "end_time": "2:40", "start_time": "2:36", "text": "It's also a lot of fun because Fabian's personality is very easy going." }, { "end_time": "2:51", "start_time": "2:40", "text": "He is one of Europe's youngest billionaires ever, but he speaks from a very humble, very practical place." }, { "end_time": "2:59", "start_time": "2:51", "text": "Enjoyed speaking with him, and I'm sure you're going to enjoy on this special episode of the Ranveer Show." }, { "end_time": "3:19", "start_time": "3:18", "text": "Fabian?" }, { "end_time": "3:20", "start_time": "3:19", "text": "Hello." }, { "end_time": "3:21", "start_time": "3:20", "text": "How are you?" }, { "end_time": "3:22", "start_time": "3:21", "text": "I'm good." }, { "end_time": "3:25", "start_time": "3:22", "text": "I need to be very honest with you before we start talking." }, { "end_time": "3:28", "start_time": "3:25", "text": "I love talking to foreigners on my podcast." }, { "end_time": "3:29", "start_time": "3:28", "text": "It's a lot of fun." }, { "end_time": "3:30", "start_time": "3:29", "text": "And for us, it's good too." }, { "end_time": "3:31", "start_time": "3:30", "text": "For me, it's the first time in India." }, { "end_time": "3:33", "start_time": "3:31", "text": "So But you've been here for 9 months." }, { "end_time": "3:33", "start_time": "3:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:36", "start_time": "3:33", "text": "I'm living in India, but, I've never done a show." }, { "end_time": "3:37", "start_time": "3:36", "text": "I was focusing on my business." }, { "end_time": "3:40", "start_time": "3:38", "text": "I will begin this podcast with a very simple question." }, { "end_time": "3:52", "start_time": "3:49", "text": "I find it so fascinating that you know Gujarati, dude." }, { "end_time": "3:54", "start_time": "3:53", "text": "Just a little bit." }, { "end_time": "3:55", "start_time": "3:54", "text": "How long have you been in Gujarat?" }, { "end_time": "3:56", "start_time": "3:56", "text": "9 months." }, { "end_time": "3:58", "start_time": "3:57", "text": "And you've been in Ahmedabad?" }, { "end_time": "4:00", "start_time": "3:59", "text": "Gandhi Nagar." }, { "end_time": "4:01", "start_time": "4:00", "text": "Gandhi Nagar." }, { "end_time": "4:03", "start_time": "4:01", "text": "How are you liking life in India?" }, { "end_time": "4:04", "start_time": "4:03", "text": "It's amazing." }, { "end_time": "4:04", "start_time": "4:04", "text": "Yeah?" }, { "end_time": "4:05", "start_time": "4:04", "text": "I really love it." }, { "end_time": "4:07", "start_time": "4:05", "text": "It's, it's an experience." }, { "end_time": "4:08", "start_time": "4:07", "text": "Not everything is easy." }, { "end_time": "4:11", "start_time": "4:08", "text": "Things are difficult, but they are really good things." }, { "end_time": "4:12", "start_time": "4:11", "text": "So I really like it." }, { "end_time": "4:22", "start_time": "4:12", "text": "Dude, what I find crazy about you is you've had a 20 year entrepreneurial career, then you've traveled all over the world and now you're targeting India as a place for expansion." }, { "end_time": "4:29", "start_time": "4:22", "text": "And you're the founder of your startup, but the founder himself is now sitting in India to try to expand into this market." }, { "end_time": "4:30", "start_time": "4:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:32", "start_time": "4:30", "text": "Even the people, so I come from Belgium." }, { "end_time": "4:35", "start_time": "4:32", "text": "Even the people of Belgium don't understand why I came to India." }, { "end_time": "4:36", "start_time": "4:35", "text": "I had to explain them." }, { "end_time": "4:43", "start_time": "4:36", "text": "They they are calling me the slumdog billionaire because they're imaging India, like, because they don't know, of course." }, { "end_time": "4:43", "start_time": "4:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:48", "start_time": "4:44", "text": "But I'm really glad I did it because, the business has been amazing." }, { "end_time": "4:51", "start_time": "4:48", "text": "Experience has been very good as a for the family." }, { "end_time": "4:52", "start_time": "4:51", "text": "So it's really good." }, { "end_time": "4:53", "start_time": "4:52", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "4:54", "start_time": "4:53", "text": "What else?" }, { "end_time": "4:55", "start_time": "4:54", "text": "Tell me about your life." }, { "end_time": "4:56", "start_time": "4:55", "text": "How's your day in your life in India?" }, { "end_time": "4:58", "start_time": "4:57", "text": "It's great." }, { "end_time": "5:00", "start_time": "4:58", "text": "Depending there are some good and bad stuff." }, { "end_time": "5:02", "start_time": "5:00", "text": "The worst is the weather." }, { "end_time": "5:04", "start_time": "5:02", "text": "I mean, the summer is just crazy in India." }, { "end_time": "5:05", "start_time": "5:04", "text": "Too hot?" }, { "end_time": "5:05", "start_time": "5:05", "text": "It's way too hot." }, { "end_time": "5:08", "start_time": "5:05", "text": "For me, you know, in Belgium today, it's like minus 10 degrees." }, { "end_time": "5:17", "start_time": "5:09", "text": "So it's just so when you get the summer at 45, 50 plus in India, it's it's very hard, very difficult." }, { "end_time": "5:26", "start_time": "5:19", "text": "But, what I like about India is, you know, you live with nature nature, with animals." }, { "end_time": "5:29", "start_time": "5:27", "text": "In in Europe, you don't have animals in the street anymore." }, { "end_time": "5:35", "start_time": "5:29", "text": "Even even, of course, you don't have cows and and dogs, but even birds." }, { "end_time": "5:37", "start_time": "5:35", "text": "There are so less birds compared to here." }, { "end_time": "5:41", "start_time": "5:37", "text": "So it's nice feeling to to live with nature and and and animals." }, { "end_time": "5:43", "start_time": "5:41", "text": "That's what you notice here that there's more Yes." }, { "end_time": "5:47", "start_time": "5:43", "text": "The first thing you notice in the street when you walk in the street, second thing is there are way too many people." }, { "end_time": "5:48", "start_time": "5:47", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:49", "start_time": "5:48", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "5:49", "start_time": "5:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:51", "start_time": "5:49", "text": "But I think you get the opposite." }, { "end_time": "5:57", "start_time": "5:51", "text": "If you go to Europe, you probably, feel alone and in danger because there is not that much people around you." }, { "end_time": "6:05", "start_time": "5:57", "text": "Danger depends on where you are in Europe, but you do feel in a very positive way isolated, which actually calms down your head." }, { "end_time": "6:10", "start_time": "6:05", "text": "Like it's, it's one of my favorite places to travel to because I know when I come back, I'm going to be very relaxed." }, { "end_time": "6:12", "start_time": "6:11", "text": "So it's a very relaxing place." }, { "end_time": "6:13", "start_time": "6:12", "text": "That's what I say with Europe." }, { "end_time": "6:18", "start_time": "6:14", "text": "I find it crazy that you're actually thinking about staying in India for a long time." }, { "end_time": "6:19", "start_time": "6:18", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "6:19", "start_time": "6:19", "text": "What's in your mind?" }, { "end_time": "6:21", "start_time": "6:19", "text": "What's in your heart about, like, staying here?" }, { "end_time": "6:23", "start_time": "6:22", "text": "So I came for the business." }, { "end_time": "6:31", "start_time": "6:24", "text": "We went to a point where for Odoo, what we get in India was not mature enough." }, { "end_time": "6:43", "start_time": "6:31", "text": "We had a lot of activities, a lot of partners, we had something like 40,000 developers on our software, on Odoo in India, but they were not selling on the Indian market, they were saying in the US and Europe." }, { "end_time": "6:48", "start_time": "6:44", "text": "So it's it was for me like a big opportunity that we didn't tap in." }, { "end_time": "6:57", "start_time": "6:48", "text": "You mean all your developers, your core Not only yours because we only have 4,000 employees, but we work with partners who are companies offering services on our product." }, { "end_time": "7:01", "start_time": "6:57", "text": "And we had a lot of partners in India, but they were not addressing the Indian market." }, { "end_time": "7:03", "start_time": "7:01", "text": "They were just looking outward to sell the whole world." }, { "end_time": "7:03", "start_time": "7:03", "text": "They were just looking outward to sell the whole world." }, { "end_time": "7:05", "start_time": "7:03", "text": "They were selling development services in the U." }, { "end_time": "7:05", "start_time": "7:05", "text": "S." }, { "end_time": "7:06", "start_time": "7:05", "text": "And in Europe." }, { "end_time": "7:18", "start_time": "7:07", "text": "And I wanted to refocus that on the domestic market because India's SMEs is big, GDP is growing at 8% per year, so it's a massive market, 1 5th of the world population." }, { "end_time": "7:22", "start_time": "7:18", "text": "So you cannot close your eye to such a big and future economy." }, { "end_time": "7:25", "start_time": "7:22", "text": "So I came here in order to develop the local market." }, { "end_time": "7:34", "start_time": "7:25", "text": "You know, in order to understand you better, why don't you introduce your own life's work a little bit before I ask you more questions about India and Europe?" }, { "end_time": "7:34", "start_time": "7:34", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "7:36", "start_time": "7:34", "text": "Well, yes, probably the right way to start." }, { "end_time": "7:49", "start_time": "7:37", "text": "Because people, especially business oriented audiences, which is a big chunk of YouTube audiences now are very interested to know about how the world looks at Indian about how you want to sell in India." }, { "end_time": "7:51", "start_time": "7:49", "text": "And why do you want to sell you?" }, { "end_time": "7:57", "start_time": "7:51", "text": "Because honestly, Indians, if you look at it from a mass scale are not easy customers." }, { "end_time": "7:59", "start_time": "7:57", "text": "They're difficult customers to win over." }, { "end_time": "8:04", "start_time": "7:59", "text": "So I want to get into all those tangents about all your challenges you faced here, etcetera, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "8:07", "start_time": "8:04", "text": "But let's begin with a little bit about your story." }, { "end_time": "8:07", "start_time": "8:07", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "8:08", "start_time": "8:07", "text": "You began as a coder." }, { "end_time": "8:10", "start_time": "8:08", "text": "Yeah, I was a developer, engineer." }, { "end_time": "8:14", "start_time": "8:11", "text": "I started to and I love business." }, { "end_time": "8:21", "start_time": "8:14", "text": "So I was reading 2, 3 books about management, psychology to develop my business every week." }, { "end_time": "8:26", "start_time": "8:22", "text": "I did a lot of things and this one, which is a do work better than the others." }, { "end_time": "8:31", "start_time": "8:26", "text": "So I started alone, after 2 years I had one employee, after 3 years 3, 4 or 5." }, { "end_time": "8:32", "start_time": "8:31", "text": "This is in 2004, you are building?" }, { "end_time": "8:36", "start_time": "8:32", "text": "That was in 2002, yes, when I was still a student." }, { "end_time": "8:42", "start_time": "8:36", "text": "And then I grew organically, bootstrap the company, I started to sell services on this software." }, { "end_time": "8:44", "start_time": "8:42", "text": "So the software is a management software." }, { "end_time": "8:46", "start_time": "8:44", "text": "At the beginning, I was selling services." }, { "end_time": "8:48", "start_time": "8:46", "text": "So I asked Alain, what do you want?" }, { "end_time": "8:49", "start_time": "8:48", "text": "And I was developing everything." }, { "end_time": "8:52", "start_time": "8:49", "text": "And I did that until 2010." }, { "end_time": "8:57", "start_time": "8:52", "text": "And at that time, I had a software that had a lot of features because I developed everything the customer would ask for." }, { "end_time": "9:02", "start_time": "8:57", "text": "So it was full of feature, but ugly, complex, and everything." }, { "end_time": "9:05", "start_time": "9:02", "text": "And at that time, I had 100 employees." }, { "end_time": "9:11", "start_time": "9:06", "text": "So I decided to do a pivot in the business model and say, we cannot do service and develop everything people need." }, { "end_time": "9:19", "start_time": "9:11", "text": "We need to focus as a software vendor and develop a clean product, and not develop for customer, but develop what's good for the mass." }, { "end_time": "9:22", "start_time": "9:19", "text": "So for 8 years, you got requests from businesses." }, { "end_time": "9:26", "start_time": "9:22", "text": "They asked you to develop softwares which would help the individual business problems." }, { "end_time": "9:30", "start_time": "9:26", "text": "And eventually you develop so many softwares that you realize, hey, hold on." }, { "end_time": "9:32", "start_time": "9:30", "text": "I can actually turn this into a tech product." }, { "end_time": "9:33", "start_time": "9:32", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "9:35", "start_time": "9:33", "text": "And probably make it more profitable than what we're doing." }, { "end_time": "9:36", "start_time": "9:35", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "9:46", "start_time": "9:36", "text": "It was a bet because, I had from one day to another, I decided to stop services, stop all reviews, I had 100 employees and say, okay, now we'll focus on something else." }, { "end_time": "9:51", "start_time": "9:46", "text": "We'll create a network of partners, they will do the service and we will sell maintenance." }, { "end_time": "9:53", "start_time": "9:51", "text": "So from 1 day to 1 day You will sell what?" }, { "end_time": "9:54", "start_time": "9:53", "text": "Maintenance service." }, { "end_time": "9:56", "start_time": "9:54", "text": "So support, bug fix, upgrades." }, { "end_time": "10:02", "start_time": "9:57", "text": "And that was risky because we would stop all activities from 1 day to another to refocus on something else." }, { "end_time": "10:12", "start_time": "10:02", "text": "So I raised €2,000,000 of €0, with French VCs at the time, so that we can do the pivot in the business model and say okay, no, let's refocus on making a clean product." }, { "end_time": "10:15", "start_time": "10:12", "text": "And that's when the the adventure of Odoo started." }, { "end_time": "10:22", "start_time": "10:16", "text": "The mindset has always been the same, is to develop business apps, to help companies be more efficient, more productive." }, { "end_time": "10:23", "start_time": "10:22", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "10:38", "start_time": "10:23", "text": "From a first time entrepreneur's perspective, what I'd like to say is that a first time entrepreneur has a lot of random business challenges that you don't anticipate in like accounting, like, HR management and the list goes on." }, { "end_time": "10:43", "start_time": "10:39", "text": "So your software handles all those miscellaneous business problems as well." }, { "end_time": "10:44", "start_time": "10:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:46", "start_time": "10:44", "text": "So, what is the do today?" }, { "end_time": "10:48", "start_time": "10:47", "text": "It's a suite of business apps." }, { "end_time": "10:51", "start_time": "10:48", "text": "We have applications for pretty much everything SMEs need." }, { "end_time": "10:53", "start_time": "10:51", "text": "Like you need an accounting software, we have 1." }, { "end_time": "10:54", "start_time": "10:53", "text": "A CRM, we have 1." }, { "end_time": "10:57", "start_time": "10:54", "text": "We need to create a website, we have a website builder." }, { "end_time": "11:03", "start_time": "10:57", "text": "You need an inventory management software with barcode scanner, and you receive deliver, we have 1 app." }, { "end_time": "11:06", "start_time": "11:03", "text": "And if you put all these apps together, you have a fully integrated company." }, { "end_time": "11:13", "start_time": "11:07", "text": "And that's what we do, we offer tools to small and mid sized companies so that they can perform better." }, { "end_time": "11:18", "start_time": "11:13", "text": "What I find crazy about this is that you have a lot of data with you also." }, { "end_time": "11:23", "start_time": "11:18", "text": "So you'll be able to understand how different countries go about business in different ways." }, { "end_time": "11:24", "start_time": "11:24", "text": "Yes, yes." }, { "end_time": "11:26", "start_time": "11:24", "text": "We have 12,000,000 of users." }, { "end_time": "11:31", "start_time": "11:26", "text": "So it's probably the most installed management software out there, ERP at least." }, { "end_time": "11:36", "start_time": "11:32", "text": "So and we are active in we do accounting for 150 countries." }, { "end_time": "11:42", "start_time": "11:37", "text": "So we are one of the largest spread in terms of different countries." }, { "end_time": "11:43", "start_time": "11:42", "text": "You are a brave guy." }, { "end_time": "11:45", "start_time": "11:43", "text": "I am just a good worker." }, { "end_time": "11:47", "start_time": "11:45", "text": "As in you are just a hardworking guy." }, { "end_time": "11:48", "start_time": "11:47", "text": "I am hardworking." }, { "end_time": "11:56", "start_time": "11:48", "text": "The 1st 7 years, I did not get a single day of holiday for 7 years and I was working like 14 days, 14 hours a day." }, { "end_time": "11:58", "start_time": "11:57", "text": "It's not anymore the case." }, { "end_time": "12:02", "start_time": "11:58", "text": "No Saturday and Sunday I I work less, but getting older." }, { "end_time": "12:04", "start_time": "12:03", "text": "You think that plays a role?" }, { "end_time": "12:07", "start_time": "12:05", "text": "I think I don't have the same level of energy." }, { "end_time": "12:08", "start_time": "12:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:09", "start_time": "12:08", "text": "I I feel that already." }, { "end_time": "12:10", "start_time": "12:09", "text": "Between 22 and 30." }, { "end_time": "12:11", "start_time": "12:10", "text": "How old are you?" }, { "end_time": "12:12", "start_time": "12:11", "text": "I'm 30." }, { "end_time": "12:13", "start_time": "12:12", "text": "Oh, you have time." }, { "end_time": "12:16", "start_time": "12:13", "text": "But I feel a difference in the energy I felt when I was 22." }, { "end_time": "12:16", "start_time": "12:16", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:17", "start_time": "12:16", "text": "I went for 40." }, { "end_time": "12:19", "start_time": "12:18", "text": "It's gonna be horrible." }, { "end_time": "12:22", "start_time": "12:21", "text": "I'm 44." }, { "end_time": "12:23", "start_time": "12:22", "text": "Really?" }, { "end_time": "12:23", "start_time": "12:23", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "12:25", "start_time": "12:23", "text": "How do you look so young, dude?" }, { "end_time": "12:27", "start_time": "12:26", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "12:28", "start_time": "12:27", "text": "It's good to know that I look young." }, { "end_time": "12:29", "start_time": "12:29", "text": "Good genetics." }, { "end_time": "12:30", "start_time": "12:30", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "12:31", "start_time": "12:31", "text": "God." }, { "end_time": "12:32", "start_time": "12:31", "text": "You're a happy guy on the inside." }, { "end_time": "12:34", "start_time": "12:33", "text": "I'm super happy." }, { "end_time": "12:34", "start_time": "12:34", "text": "I love my job." }, { "end_time": "12:35", "start_time": "12:34", "text": "I love my company." }, { "end_time": "12:36", "start_time": "12:35", "text": "I love my product." }, { "end_time": "12:38", "start_time": "12:36", "text": "I'm really happy in life." }, { "end_time": "12:43", "start_time": "12:38", "text": "What are you the happiest about from a business perspective about your whole business career?" }, { "end_time": "12:53", "start_time": "12:45", "text": "So, the what I do like is that what we do as is super important because it help companies, it help people." }, { "end_time": "12:56", "start_time": "12:53", "text": "We don't do management software for managers or for managing companies." }, { "end_time": "12:58", "start_time": "12:56", "text": "I'm not interested in that, it's not interesting." }, { "end_time": "13:07", "start_time": "12:59", "text": "I do tools so that every employee in the companies can do their job better, can save time, do less administrative tasks, less boring tasks." }, { "end_time": "13:10", "start_time": "13:07", "text": "So we really help millions of people having a better life." }, { "end_time": "13:16", "start_time": "13:10", "text": "Because if you think about it, you probably spend 30, 40 percent of your time at work." }, { "end_time": "13:22", "start_time": "13:16", "text": "So better do it with good tools so that you enjoy doing rather than doing boring administrative rerecording of data." }, { "end_time": "13:28", "start_time": "13:23", "text": "And I feel like we have a massive impact on, on the society because of that." }, { "end_time": "13:32", "start_time": "13:28", "text": "We do it with, we didn't talk about it, but with a special business model, which is open source." }, { "end_time": "13:35", "start_time": "13:32", "text": "So a lot of people can get it for free, download, modify." }, { "end_time": "13:40", "start_time": "13:36", "text": "And so we are reaching countries that could not afford that kind of software because it's free." }, { "end_time": "13:43", "start_time": "13:40", "text": "So the impact is really big of what we do." }, { "end_time": "13:46", "start_time": "13:43", "text": "Can you explain what open source means, 1?" }, { "end_time": "13:49", "start_time": "13:46", "text": "And 2, why did you make it open source?" }, { "end_time": "13:51", "start_time": "13:49", "text": "Because it's a very different mentality." }, { "end_time": "13:58", "start_time": "13:51", "text": "Like if you have built out a product, if you've built out a software, there has to be an intention behind turning it into an open source software." }, { "end_time": "14:02", "start_time": "13:59", "text": "Open sources, you've kept the software available for the public." }, { "end_time": "14:02", "start_time": "14:02", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "14:13", "start_time": "14:03", "text": "So open source is a license that says, instead of constraining the software and say, when you buy my software, you have minimum 10 user, maximum 10 user, you have this, this, this, this." }, { "end_time": "14:27", "start_time": "14:13", "text": "Instead of putting constraints, we put rules so that we guarantee the user that they will be able to use the software for free, get the source code of the software so they can learn it, modify it for free, and all the things will be free forever." }, { "end_time": "14:29", "start_time": "14:27", "text": "So it's like a protection for the user." }, { "end_time": "14:34", "start_time": "14:30", "text": "And the reason I did open source is because I'm passionate about open source since I was a student." }, { "end_time": "14:37", "start_time": "14:35", "text": "I only use myself open source software." }, { "end_time": "14:40", "start_time": "14:37", "text": "So when I developed software, I did it open source." }, { "end_time": "14:43", "start_time": "14:40", "text": "Because you get a template from which you can build upon?" }, { "end_time": "14:46", "start_time": "14:43", "text": "No, because I didn't want it to do another model." }, { "end_time": "14:49", "start_time": "14:46", "text": "It was something I was passionate about that." }, { "end_time": "14:53", "start_time": "14:49", "text": "I'd like to, I think software is knowledge and knowledge should be shared." }, { "end_time": "14:57", "start_time": "14:53", "text": "And I think software is like knowledge should be shared to the world." }, { "end_time": "14:59", "start_time": "14:57", "text": "And I think it's better." }, { "end_time": "15:04", "start_time": "14:59", "text": "It was very hard because when you do a software for free, getting money out of that is really difficult." }, { "end_time": "15:08", "start_time": "15:04", "text": "So it took me maybe 15 years to understand the business model." }, { "end_time": "15:09", "start_time": "15:08", "text": "What is the business model?" }, { "end_time": "15:12", "start_time": "15:11", "text": "Nowadays, so I tried everything." }, { "end_time": "15:15", "start_time": "15:12", "text": "I started as a service company, as I explained you." }, { "end_time": "15:21", "start_time": "15:15", "text": "Then I moved to maintenance, selling service like support, upgrade, didn't work that well." }, { "end_time": "15:26", "start_time": "15:21", "text": "It worked, but after 500 employees, I couldn't, I was, I had, I've had like 7 years close to bankruptcy." }, { "end_time": "15:29", "start_time": "15:27", "text": "So at some point, it's okay, I have to change." }, { "end_time": "15:33", "start_time": "15:29", "text": "My passion about open source is good, but at some point it's good to remain alive too." }, { "end_time": "15:37", "start_time": "15:34", "text": "And so another business model that works is what we called OpenCore." }, { "end_time": "15:43", "start_time": "15:38", "text": "And an OpenCore business model is where you have 80% of the applications are free and open source." }, { "end_time": "15:46", "start_time": "15:43", "text": "And we add 20% of application where you have to pay for." }, { "end_time": "15:47", "start_time": "15:46", "text": "Freemium?" }, { "end_time": "15:50", "start_time": "15:47", "text": "It's like a freemium, but it's like 2 different products." }, { "end_time": "15:56", "start_time": "15:50", "text": "Some people can just use the open source one and others, can use the, what we call the Duo Enterprise, which is the full version." }, { "end_time": "15:58", "start_time": "15:56", "text": "That's the one which is working for you right now?" }, { "end_time": "15:59", "start_time": "15:58", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "16:02", "start_time": "15:59", "text": "For example, if you need a CRM, it's open source, it's free." }, { "end_time": "16:04", "start_time": "16:02", "text": "You need a website, free and open source." }, { "end_time": "16:07", "start_time": "16:04", "text": "You need inventory, sales purchase, it's free and open source." }, { "end_time": "16:11", "start_time": "16:07", "text": "You need accounting, you will have to pay the accounting version because it's only in the paid version." }, { "end_time": "16:19", "start_time": "16:11", "text": "So people gain trust in your software from the free part and then they're like, oh, this is a good software, design is great, functionality is great, let me pay for like this additional." }, { "end_time": "16:23", "start_time": "16:19", "text": "Yes, some do that, 10%, 90% doesn't pay, never pay." }, { "end_time": "16:24", "start_time": "16:23", "text": "But the best is the word-of-mouth." }, { "end_time": "16:30", "start_time": "16:25", "text": "You know, when you build a company, the most difficult part is marketing, word-of-mouth, building a big audience of users." }, { "end_time": "16:34", "start_time": "16:31", "text": "And the good thing when you are free is that you quickly get billions of users." }, { "end_time": "16:44", "start_time": "16:35", "text": "And even though they will never pay, some of them, what they will do is bring you, more customer because they will tell to their friend this software is great, I'm using every day, you should check it." }, { "end_time": "16:46", "start_time": "16:44", "text": "And maybe one of them will pay." }, { "end_time": "16:53", "start_time": "16:46", "text": "So based on those 10% parts of your software that are actually premium, which people pay for, you're supporting the whole business." }, { "end_time": "16:54", "start_time": "16:53", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "16:56", "start_time": "16:54", "text": "Including the 90% which is Yes." }, { "end_time": "17:04", "start_time": "16:56", "text": "For me it was a very philosophical problem because I was passionate about open source and I did not wanted to sell properly to sort of suppliers." }, { "end_time": "17:05", "start_time": "17:04", "text": "I was against that." }, { "end_time": "17:14", "start_time": "17:06", "text": "But it was a very bad decision, it was a bad mindset, because at the time I had something like maybe 100 developers maximum, I couldn't pay more." }, { "end_time": "17:25", "start_time": "17:16", "text": "And now that I have 10% non open source or 20% non open source, 80% open source, I can afford paying 100 of developers." }, { "end_time": "17:32", "start_time": "17:25", "text": "So I contribute way more to the open source world than what I did before, even though I am not 100% open source today." }, { "end_time": "17:35", "start_time": "17:32", "text": "So it's something I didn't understand, took me years because I refused that." }, { "end_time": "17:40", "start_time": "17:35", "text": "But once I did that, I switched to the business model and then the company started to skyrocket." }, { "end_time": "17:47", "start_time": "17:41", "text": "You know, there's a lot of lessons that Indian entrepreneurs, young Indian entrepreneurs can actually learn from this in terms of your selling to the world." }, { "end_time": "18:03", "start_time": "17:48", "text": "Here we, a lot of us have dreams about selling to the world as well, but I don't think we educated in that aspect in terms of if you've built out something in India, how do you ensure that someone sitting in Britain or Nigeria or Brazil would actually use your stuff?" }, { "end_time": "18:06", "start_time": "18:03", "text": "So you've had an expansion outside your own country, right?" }, { "end_time": "18:07", "start_time": "18:06", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "18:08", "start_time": "18:07", "text": "You know, we are Belgians." }, { "end_time": "18:09", "start_time": "18:08", "text": "Belgium is nothing." }, { "end_time": "18:10", "start_time": "18:09", "text": "It's 10,000,000 people." }, { "end_time": "18:15", "start_time": "18:10", "text": "So by nature, if you want to do business, we are forced to export because our market is nothing." }, { "end_time": "18:20", "start_time": "18:16", "text": "You don't have the same issue in India, but you have also a lot of strong incentive to export." }, { "end_time": "18:22", "start_time": "18:21", "text": "In software, it's easy." }, { "end_time": "18:24", "start_time": "18:22", "text": "It's just build the best software." }, { "end_time": "18:26", "start_time": "18:24", "text": "The reason Odoo works is we have the best." }, { "end_time": "18:33", "start_time": "18:27", "text": "We have the best CRM, we have a modern website builder, much better than WordPress or Zoho or Shopify." }, { "end_time": "18:36", "start_time": "18:34", "text": "And we build the best, took us 20 years." }, { "end_time": "18:39", "start_time": "18:36", "text": "But once you get the best, software is like compound interest." }, { "end_time": "18:41", "start_time": "18:39", "text": "You build and you build and you build." }, { "end_time": "18:43", "start_time": "18:41", "text": "Everywhere it gets better and better and better." }, { "end_time": "18:49", "start_time": "18:43", "text": "And the revenue you get from the software increase exponentially based on what you build." }, { "end_time": "18:53", "start_time": "18:49", "text": "It is like creating a massive asset that is generating more and more revenue over the years." }, { "end_time": "18:55", "start_time": "18:53", "text": "But it takes time." }, { "end_time": "19:02", "start_time": "18:55", "text": "It takes a lot of time because in order to be the best, you have to develop and develop and develop." }, { "end_time": "19:04", "start_time": "19:03", "text": "Especially in open source." }, { "end_time": "19:11", "start_time": "19:04", "text": "In open source, it's very hard because, you know, in property software, when you sell the software on the license, you can have a lot of competitors." }, { "end_time": "19:14", "start_time": "19:12", "text": "And they will all differentiate themselves." }, { "end_time": "19:17", "start_time": "19:14", "text": "Open source is like a transparent market." }, { "end_time": "19:21", "start_time": "19:18", "text": "It's like because it's free, everyone will test before buying." }, { "end_time": "19:23", "start_time": "19:21", "text": "So they test, they play with it." }, { "end_time": "19:25", "start_time": "19:23", "text": "And so everyone will choose the best product." }, { "end_time": "19:28", "start_time": "19:25", "text": "So in the open source, it's a winner takes all market." }, { "end_time": "19:31", "start_time": "19:29", "text": "There is one winner, but no second player." }, { "end_time": "19:33", "start_time": "19:32", "text": "And that is very hard." }, { "end_time": "19:40", "start_time": "19:33", "text": "So it requires for you to invest a lot in research and development, in order to build the best product." }, { "end_time": "19:44", "start_time": "19:40", "text": "And before you are not the best, you get just small amounts." }, { "end_time": "19:50", "start_time": "19:45", "text": "But once you beat once you are the number 1, you have like a consolidation effect where everyone looks at you and you grow faster." }, { "end_time": "19:55", "start_time": "19:50", "text": "And to further your consolidation and your profits, you basically have to play a numbers game." }, { "end_time": "19:58", "start_time": "19:55", "text": "You need more and more people to use your free of cost stuff." }, { "end_time": "19:58", "start_time": "19:58", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "20:02", "start_time": "19:58", "text": "And because it's open core model, I cannot charge as much as the other." }, { "end_time": "20:11", "start_time": "20:02", "text": "You know, the big ERPs like Microsoft Dynamics, SAP, Oracle, NetSuite, they charge a lot, like $180 per user and per month." }, { "end_time": "20:13", "start_time": "20:11", "text": "They can because they charge for the full amount of the software." }, { "end_time": "20:18", "start_time": "20:13", "text": "For us, it's different, we have 80% which is open source, and only 20% which is proprietary." }, { "end_time": "20:23", "start_time": "20:19", "text": "So if we charge the full amount, people will say, oh, for 20% less, I can get everything for free." }, { "end_time": "20:25", "start_time": "20:23", "text": "So I won't buy that." }, { "end_time": "20:28", "start_time": "20:25", "text": "Our main competitors is yourself, is our open source product." }, { "end_time": "20:35", "start_time": "20:29", "text": "So we have to charge at 1 5th of the under because we all can only charge a small layer which is for a fee." }, { "end_time": "20:37", "start_time": "20:35", "text": "Which means we have to compensate with big volumes." }, { "end_time": "20:41", "start_time": "20:39", "text": "Which is also partly why India?" }, { "end_time": "20:44", "start_time": "20:43", "text": "No and yes." }, { "end_time": "20:46", "start_time": "20:44", "text": "For me, up to no." }, { "end_time": "20:47", "start_time": "20:46", "text": "So it changed 1 year ago." }, { "end_time": "20:49", "start_time": "20:47", "text": "The rule of India for us changed 1 year ago." }, { "end_time": "20:53", "start_time": "20:50", "text": "Before India was like the service provider for the world." }, { "end_time": "20:55", "start_time": "20:53", "text": "So the local market in India was nothing." }, { "end_time": "20:57", "start_time": "20:56", "text": "We had only a few users." }, { "end_time": "21:04", "start_time": "20:57", "text": "But they were selling development services to all our partners all around the world because in Europe, in the US, we are lacking developers." }, { "end_time": "21:06", "start_time": "21:04", "text": "So they were all subcontracting to our Indian partner." }, { "end_time": "21:12", "start_time": "21:07", "text": "So India at the beginning helped us a lot to provide services we couldn't afford in the other countries." }, { "end_time": "21:13", "start_time": "21:12", "text": "Now it changed." }, { "end_time": "21:15", "start_time": "21:13", "text": "Since 1 year, that's the reason why I came here." }, { "end_time": "21:24", "start_time": "21:16", "text": "Our main focus is the local market, because they are like old school software, like Tally, that we need something more than to replace." }, { "end_time": "21:26", "start_time": "21:24", "text": "And the local market is big, growing fast." }, { "end_time": "21:32", "start_time": "21:26", "text": "So now since 1 year we decided, okay, now it's time to focus on selling on to Indian companies." }, { "end_time": "21:33", "start_time": "21:32", "text": "In rupees, how much does your?" }, { "end_time": "21:37", "start_time": "21:34", "text": "So Odoo is, the way we work is that 1App is free." }, { "end_time": "21:38", "start_time": "21:37", "text": "So you need a website, free." }, { "end_time": "21:42", "start_time": "21:38", "text": "Forever, unlimited users with domain name, everything, free." }, { "end_time": "21:43", "start_time": "21:42", "text": "You need a CRM, free." }, { "end_time": "21:45", "start_time": "21:43", "text": "You need an accounting software, free." }, { "end_time": "21:50", "start_time": "21:46", "text": "You need a electronic signature to sign the contract, free." }, { "end_time": "22:01", "start_time": "21:51", "text": "But if you need more application, if you need, all of them, so all the application is like, coming like 80 different applications to run your whole business, That's 5.80 rupees per month." }, { "end_time": "22:02", "start_time": "22:01", "text": "That's it?" }, { "end_time": "22:04", "start_time": "22:02", "text": "That's 5.80 rupees per month per user." }, { "end_time": "22:04", "start_time": "22:04", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "22:05", "start_time": "22:04", "text": "Per user?" }, { "end_time": "22:05", "start_time": "22:05", "text": "It's cheaper." }, { "end_time": "22:06", "start_time": "22:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:06", "start_time": "22:06", "text": "It's still very cheap." }, { "end_time": "22:08", "start_time": "22:06", "text": "So in a company, how many users end up?" }, { "end_time": "22:09", "start_time": "22:08", "text": "Depends on the company." }, { "end_time": "22:12", "start_time": "22:09", "text": "You could have a company of 50 people, 10 users." }, { "end_time": "22:15", "start_time": "22:13", "text": "So 1 5th of the company." }, { "end_time": "22:16", "start_time": "22:15", "text": "The price is not an issue." }, { "end_time": "22:16", "start_time": "22:16", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:21", "start_time": "22:16", "text": "It's a €5.80 is pretty much nothing for what they get for." }, { "end_time": "22:23", "start_time": "22:21", "text": "What challenge are you facing with expanding in our country?" }, { "end_time": "22:25", "start_time": "22:24", "text": "The main one is marketing." }, { "end_time": "22:32", "start_time": "22:25", "text": "It's because we were known from developers, but we were not known from businessmen." }, { "end_time": "22:39", "start_time": "22:33", "text": "So Odoo had a lot of developers in India, but business we are not using because developers were focusing on selling to Americans." }, { "end_time": "22:46", "start_time": "22:40", "text": "And so now we have to say, hey, we have, we are here, so we are ready to support and serve you." }, { "end_time": "22:47", "start_time": "22:46", "text": "That's one." }, { "end_time": "22:49", "start_time": "22:47", "text": "The other one is we had to adapt the product." }, { "end_time": "22:54", "start_time": "22:51", "text": "We had to put a price in rupees, decrease our price." }, { "end_time": "22:58", "start_time": "22:54", "text": "We really had to do a lot of things to adapt to the Indian market." }, { "end_time": "23:05", "start_time": "22:59", "text": "Like we had to change our accounting to be GST compliant, TDS, TCS, all good things." }, { "end_time": "23:09", "start_time": "23:05", "text": "So we did that last year, to meet all the Indian needs." }, { "end_time": "23:17", "start_time": "23:11", "text": "As an MNC owner, like a multinational company owner, what have you learned specifically about the Indian market?" }, { "end_time": "23:20", "start_time": "23:18", "text": "It's very price sensitive." }, { "end_time": "23:24", "start_time": "23:21", "text": "You know, when you work with an American, they will want the beautiful software." }, { "end_time": "23:28", "start_time": "23:24", "text": "And they will pay whatever the price, they want the best beautiful clean software." }, { "end_time": "23:30", "start_time": "23:29", "text": "In the end, they ask the price first." }, { "end_time": "23:33", "start_time": "23:30", "text": "How much does it cost without having seen the software?" }, { "end_time": "23:36", "start_time": "23:34", "text": "So it is a very price sensitive market." }, { "end_time": "23:42", "start_time": "23:37", "text": "You could have the best software in the world, you have to be at an affordable price." }, { "end_time": "23:52", "start_time": "23:43", "text": "It is a fast deciding market, so like in Europe, the world is Africa, Africa takes months to decide." }, { "end_time": "23:54", "start_time": "23:52", "text": "Europe is okay, India is a little bit faster." }, { "end_time": "23:59", "start_time": "23:56", "text": "What we do transform companies, so it's massive impact on the companies." }, { "end_time": "24:03", "start_time": "23:59", "text": "So we have sales cycles could be 1, 3 months for small companies." }, { "end_time": "24:05", "start_time": "24:03", "text": "India, it's a little bit reduced." }, { "end_time": "24:08", "start_time": "24:08", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "24:13", "start_time": "24:08", "text": "So Indians want to move with speed and they'll go for the cheapest option." }, { "end_time": "24:13", "start_time": "24:13", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "24:20", "start_time": "24:13", "text": "That's how And one of the main issue I have with Indian customer is that they think they can do everything on their own." }, { "end_time": "24:22", "start_time": "24:20", "text": "They never want to buy services." }, { "end_time": "24:23", "start_time": "24:22", "text": "So they say, I'll just buy the software." }, { "end_time": "24:24", "start_time": "24:23", "text": "I will do myself." }, { "end_time": "24:32", "start_time": "24:24", "text": "But you know, when you change your accounting, you change your inventory management, you change a purchase, sell your website, you do a new website." }, { "end_time": "24:37", "start_time": "24:33", "text": "Even though our software is super simple, it's better if we help them with service." }, { "end_time": "24:42", "start_time": "24:37", "text": "But most Indian companies try to do that on their own first, and then they call only if they have issues." }, { "end_time": "24:46", "start_time": "24:42", "text": "Where in the US, they will say, I need someone that does everything for us." }, { "end_time": "24:50", "start_time": "24:46", "text": "I will do nothing and just buy a lot of service to be sure that we do the job for them." }, { "end_time": "24:56", "start_time": "24:50", "text": "One layer deep, psychologically speaking, why do you think that difference is there between America and India?" }, { "end_time": "24:59", "start_time": "24:57", "text": "I think a lot comes down to price." }, { "end_time": "25:03", "start_time": "24:59", "text": "If they don't want to services because they don't want to buy service, I believe." }, { "end_time": "25:11", "start_time": "25:04", "text": "I'm always surprised when you go to shop in India, you want to buy, I don't know, KitKat, chocolate bar." }, { "end_time": "25:16", "start_time": "25:11", "text": "There is always a 10 rupees KitKat, the 20 rupees KitKat, the 35 rupees KitKat." }, { "end_time": "25:19", "start_time": "25:18", "text": "It's all about price." }, { "end_time": "25:22", "start_time": "25:19", "text": "And I understand, I mean, it's not the same level of quality of life." }, { "end_time": "25:24", "start_time": "25:22", "text": "Americans have so much money and credit." }, { "end_time": "25:25", "start_time": "25:24", "text": "They can buy everything on credit." }, { "end_time": "25:29", "start_time": "25:27", "text": "Here it's more rational I would say." }, { "end_time": "25:32", "start_time": "25:30", "text": "People are more practical about going about?" }, { "end_time": "25:35", "start_time": "25:32", "text": "They are more, savvy." }, { "end_time": "25:36", "start_time": "25:36", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "25:36", "start_time": "25:36", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "25:37", "start_time": "25:36", "text": "Saving money more." }, { "end_time": "25:38", "start_time": "25:37", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "25:43", "start_time": "25:38", "text": "And something that changed a lot is sometimes in India, you throw humans at the problem." }, { "end_time": "25:49", "start_time": "25:44", "text": "Whereas in the other countries, you try to automate to have less employees, less cost, less." }, { "end_time": "25:55", "start_time": "25:49", "text": "In India, some workers are so cheap that sometimes you just put more workers to solve the issue." }, { "end_time": "25:58", "start_time": "25:55", "text": "One of the examples I had is our accounting software." }, { "end_time": "26:07", "start_time": "25:59", "text": "It's, you know, accountant, they receive their job in the morning, they get a pile of bills and they have to record the data in the system." }, { "end_time": "26:07", "start_time": "26:07", "text": "It's a bit shitty." }, { "end_time": "26:09", "start_time": "26:07", "text": "You record data every day." }, { "end_time": "26:10", "start_time": "26:09", "text": "It's not very interesting." }, { "end_time": "26:12", "start_time": "26:10", "text": "Now is artificial intelligence." }, { "end_time": "26:14", "start_time": "26:12", "text": "All this is processed automatically." }, { "end_time": "26:16", "start_time": "26:14", "text": "You don't need to record anymore." }, { "end_time": "26:20", "start_time": "26:16", "text": "You just put that in the scanner and 90% is recorded automatically for you." }, { "end_time": "26:22", "start_time": "26:20", "text": "Only 2% you have to check." }, { "end_time": "26:27", "start_time": "26:23", "text": "And so we do that in Europe, in US, massive success." }, { "end_time": "26:31", "start_time": "26:28", "text": "Everyone loved it because they have less time to record, more time to validate." }, { "end_time": "26:35", "start_time": "26:33", "text": "The accountant can do tax optimization." }, { "end_time": "26:37", "start_time": "26:35", "text": "Interesting things rather than recording data." }, { "end_time": "26:41", "start_time": "26:38", "text": "And then I came to India and showed that to our content." }, { "end_time": "26:48", "start_time": "26:41", "text": "And our accountant were doing the math, our system at the time were costing 6 rupees per bill, which for me was nothing." }, { "end_time": "26:50", "start_time": "26:48", "text": "And then they do the math." }, { "end_time": "26:58", "start_time": "26:50", "text": "One accountant cost me this, and then they do how many, it cost me 3 rupees to record manually in the system." }, { "end_time": "27:02", "start_time": "26:59", "text": "Why would a user, your artificial intelligence that cost 8 rupees?" }, { "end_time": "27:05", "start_time": "27:03", "text": "So they prefer to pay people to record manually." }, { "end_time": "27:08", "start_time": "27:06", "text": "And that's one of the example where we had to change." }, { "end_time": "27:10", "start_time": "27:08", "text": "I had to say, okay, no, this is free." }, { "end_time": "27:13", "start_time": "27:10", "text": "Artificial intelligence or your vendor bills to record that money." }, { "end_time": "27:15", "start_time": "27:13", "text": "We had to put it free in India." }, { "end_time": "27:18", "start_time": "27:15", "text": "Otherwise they will just put more hands doing it." }, { "end_time": "27:22", "start_time": "27:18", "text": "I'll give you like the Indian startup entrepreneurship perspective." }, { "end_time": "27:30", "start_time": "27:23", "text": "Again, it's about cost saving because I think Indians have learned now that successful startups are built out of being profitable and not just raising money." }, { "end_time": "27:39", "start_time": "27:30", "text": "If you haven't signed a bootstrap, and we know that our advantage is that there's a big population, so you can get work done for cheap through human beings." }, { "end_time": "27:43", "start_time": "27:39", "text": "I think that's the big, mentality difference." }, { "end_time": "27:46", "start_time": "27:43", "text": "You have this capacity of having affordable jobs." }, { "end_time": "27:46", "start_time": "27:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:48", "start_time": "27:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:03", "start_time": "27:48", "text": "But, what's meant what Americans are understanding and Indians don't is that sometimes having the right tool, like a beautiful website instead of a shitty website or a quotation that looks nice, improve your conversion rate on sales." }, { "end_time": "28:12", "start_time": "28:03", "text": "These are the things that sometimes India are too sensitive to the cost and miss the leverage to sales things that they can do that would improve their sales." }, { "end_time": "28:12", "start_time": "28:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:13", "start_time": "28:12", "text": "I agree with this." }, { "end_time": "28:16", "start_time": "28:13", "text": "Like there's too much of a focus on saving money." }, { "end_time": "28:17", "start_time": "28:16", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "28:20", "start_time": "28:17", "text": "And not focus on like creating a beautiful front." }, { "end_time": "28:25", "start_time": "28:21", "text": "Or an efficient service service support or, efficient operation." }, { "end_time": "28:39", "start_time": "28:27", "text": "It's probably also because like, just generally, so I feel we've got independence like 75 years ago and only in the last 4, 5 years, am I releasing a drastic change in India because the internet reached the rest of India?" }, { "end_time": "28:42", "start_time": "28:39", "text": "So people are getting education about how the world works." }, { "end_time": "28:48", "start_time": "28:42", "text": "You know, even with this podcast, I'm sure we're going to have listeners who don't speak English, but understand English." }, { "end_time": "28:53", "start_time": "28:48", "text": "And they're just tuning in to see what a European is saying about the country so that they can learn." }, { "end_time": "28:59", "start_time": "28:54", "text": "So in this, like learning all these things, but the focus is totally about saving money." }, { "end_time": "28:59", "start_time": "28:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:01", "start_time": "28:59", "text": "Which ends in some point is good." }, { "end_time": "29:05", "start_time": "29:01", "text": "That's the reason why they can afford development service to the US and Europe." }, { "end_time": "29:13", "start_time": "29:06", "text": "But in some point they have so much to win to understand how to make an efficient business with quality support, quality tools, good website." }, { "end_time": "29:19", "start_time": "29:14", "text": "If Indian companies understand that, then they can skyrocket, because it doesn't cost too much today." }, { "end_time": "29:20", "start_time": "29:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:29", "start_time": "29:20", "text": "Also if Indian companies follow what you're saying in terms of efficient service, good looks in terms of the UI UX, we'll be able to sell abroad." }, { "end_time": "29:33", "start_time": "29:29", "text": "And I think that's what a lot of Indian organizations not being able to do." }, { "end_time": "29:35", "start_time": "29:33", "text": "Like in terms of our websites, don't look great." }, { "end_time": "29:39", "start_time": "29:35", "text": "The UI UX quality in India, as of now is not at the world's time." }, { "end_time": "29:40", "start_time": "29:39", "text": "No, it's not." }, { "end_time": "29:40", "start_time": "29:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:49", "start_time": "29:40", "text": "But in Europe, when you see Swedish companies, when you see, you know, British companies, the, the look, the quality and feel is very, very different." }, { "end_time": "29:49", "start_time": "29:49", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "29:52", "start_time": "29:49", "text": "I think that's the big weakness we have in India." }, { "end_time": "29:53", "start_time": "29:52", "text": "I see it changing a little bit." }, { "end_time": "29:59", "start_time": "29:53", "text": "Like we have UI UX designer influencers now teach UI UX design, but that's one person." }, { "end_time": "30:00", "start_time": "29:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:07", "start_time": "30:00", "text": "And that's why I think Odoo has a role to play in India because that's what we are bringing to the Indian companies, these tools." }, { "end_time": "30:14", "start_time": "30:07", "text": "All of these, getting a beautiful website, automating your accounting, efficient CRM or help desk tool." }, { "end_time": "30:15", "start_time": "30:14", "text": "It's all about tools." }, { "end_time": "30:19", "start_time": "30:15", "text": "When you have good tools, you can perform better in a more efficient way." }, { "end_time": "30:21", "start_time": "30:19", "text": "And that's exactly what we do." }, { "end_time": "30:25", "start_time": "30:21", "text": "So that's why I relocated myself to India, is to say, okay, there is a big gap." }, { "end_time": "30:30", "start_time": "30:25", "text": "There will be a big need because Indians are growing fast and understanding very quickly." }, { "end_time": "30:36", "start_time": "30:30", "text": "So a lot of these companies who are doing everything on spreadsheet today, they will need better tools tomorrow." }, { "end_time": "30:38", "start_time": "30:36", "text": "And that is why we are focusing on this market today." }, { "end_time": "30:41", "start_time": "30:39", "text": "What have you learned in the last 9 months?" }, { "end_time": "30:43", "start_time": "30:41", "text": "Have you been able to educate people?" }, { "end_time": "30:44", "start_time": "30:43", "text": "A lot." }, { "end_time": "30:49", "start_time": "30:44", "text": "When I arrived, we were selling 10 new clients per month, 1 year ago." }, { "end_time": "30:54", "start_time": "30:49", "text": "And now the rhythm is we are acquiring 350 new clients per month." }, { "end_time": "30:56", "start_time": "30:55", "text": "And it's growing like that." }, { "end_time": "30:59", "start_time": "30:56", "text": "So I'm waiting 6 months and we will be a 1,000 new clients per month." }, { "end_time": "31:00", "start_time": "30:59", "text": "And this is just word-of-mouth?" }, { "end_time": "31:01", "start_time": "31:00", "text": "It's just word-of-mouth." }, { "end_time": "31:12", "start_time": "31:02", "text": "In my eyes, I think you're doing something very brave because it's not easy to expand a software business in India for a foreign brand." }, { "end_time": "31:13", "start_time": "31:12", "text": "No, you're wrong." }, { "end_time": "31:14", "start_time": "31:13", "text": "It's easy." }, { "end_time": "31:15", "start_time": "31:14", "text": "It's easy." }, { "end_time": "31:16", "start_time": "31:16", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "31:19", "start_time": "31:17", "text": "I'll tell you where I'm coming from." }, { "end_time": "31:28", "start_time": "31:19", "text": "All my foreigner friends who are trying to set up business in India, they have trouble, in understanding the Indian market." }, { "end_time": "31:29", "start_time": "31:29", "text": "That's for sure." }, { "end_time": "31:30", "start_time": "31:29", "text": "You have to understand them." }, { "end_time": "31:32", "start_time": "31:30", "text": "That's why you need to come here." }, { "end_time": "31:37", "start_time": "31:33", "text": "I would have never worked if I would have relocated myself here." }, { "end_time": "31:40", "start_time": "31:37", "text": "Like you learned the best thing." }, { "end_time": "31:42", "start_time": "31:40", "text": "But Indians are very open." }, { "end_time": "31:45", "start_time": "31:42", "text": "Compare that to China or very open." }, { "end_time": "31:46", "start_time": "31:45", "text": "It's a democracy." }, { "end_time": "31:48", "start_time": "31:46", "text": "It's, very international." }, { "end_time": "31:50", "start_time": "31:48", "text": "A lot of people are speaking English." }, { "end_time": "31:52", "start_time": "31:50", "text": "I mean, all the check all the checkbox are green in India." }, { "end_time": "31:54", "start_time": "31:53", "text": "What are the checkboxes for you?" }, { "end_time": "31:57", "start_time": "31:55", "text": "That, English speaking country." }, { "end_time": "31:59", "start_time": "31:57", "text": "Very open to international business." }, { "end_time": "32:04", "start_time": "32:00", "text": "Big need of growth, expansion, GDP growing and so on." }, { "end_time": "32:13", "start_time": "32:04", "text": "These three alone, think 10 years ago, everyone was talking about bricks, Brazil, Russia, India, China, the big countries where you need to invest." }, { "end_time": "32:15", "start_time": "32:13", "text": "Brazil, inflation are killing everything." }, { "end_time": "32:17", "start_time": "32:16", "text": "Russia is in war." }, { "end_time": "32:21", "start_time": "32:18", "text": "And rupees have been divided by 3 because of the war." }, { "end_time": "32:25", "start_time": "32:22", "text": "China, impossible for foreigners because everything's closed." }, { "end_time": "32:28", "start_time": "32:25", "text": "And even if you succeed, the government will catch your company and acquire it." }, { "end_time": "32:32", "start_time": "32:29", "text": "The only missing countries in the BRIC today is India." }, { "end_time": "32:35", "start_time": "32:32", "text": "So if you have to choose one country to invest, it is India." }, { "end_time": "32:38", "start_time": "32:35", "text": "And if I have to choose a second one, I would pick India too." }, { "end_time": "32:39", "start_time": "32:38", "text": "Really?" }, { "end_time": "32:39", "start_time": "32:39", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "32:42", "start_time": "32:39", "text": "There is no other country with that level of opportunities." }, { "end_time": "32:43", "start_time": "32:43", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "32:44", "start_time": "32:43", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "32:45", "start_time": "32:44", "text": "Very good perspective." }, { "end_time": "32:46", "start_time": "32:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:48", "start_time": "32:46", "text": "It's honestly something that Indians love hearing." }, { "end_time": "32:51", "start_time": "32:48", "text": "Those Indians love hearing foreigners talk about India." }, { "end_time": "33:03", "start_time": "32:51", "text": "But, I don't know how much the world knows about what you're saying because when I go abroad and I talk to people about expanding the businesses in India, they always say something like, yeah, but we're not able to understand the Indian mind completely." }, { "end_time": "33:13", "start_time": "33:03", "text": "No, most of the world don't understand because, so our company, we do 400,000,000 turnover, 500, 50 this year." }, { "end_time": "33:16", "start_time": "33:14", "text": "India, we were doing 5,000,000." }, { "end_time": "33:21", "start_time": "33:16", "text": "So when I said I will go to India because I bet on this country, people will say, we do 5,000,000 on this country." }, { "end_time": "33:24", "start_time": "33:22", "text": "But and we do 500 in the group." }, { "end_time": "33:25", "start_time": "33:24", "text": "So why would we focus?" }, { "end_time": "33:27", "start_time": "33:25", "text": "But it's because people don't see the opportunity." }, { "end_time": "33:34", "start_time": "33:27", "text": "If you do it right, you can, I mean, the biggest companies in the world like Tata, 700,000 employees?" }, { "end_time": "33:34", "start_time": "33:34", "text": "It's crazy." }, { "end_time": "33:43", "start_time": "33:35", "text": "The largest in Belgium is probably us with 2,000 employees, 4,000, but only 1500 in Belgium." }, { "end_time": "33:46", "start_time": "33:44", "text": "You're the largest Belgian software company?" }, { "end_time": "33:48", "start_time": "33:46", "text": "Software for sure." }, { "end_time": "33:51", "start_time": "33:48", "text": "And one of the largest, in every sector." }, { "end_time": "33:58", "start_time": "33:51", "text": "You're one of the largest companies in Belgium and the founder of that company has moved to Probably one of the most valued too." }, { "end_time": "34:01", "start_time": "33:58", "text": "Well, at least in the top ten most valued." }, { "end_time": "34:05", "start_time": "34:01", "text": "You're a multi billionaire European founder who's moved to Gandhi Nagar." }, { "end_time": "34:05", "start_time": "34:05", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "34:09", "start_time": "34:06", "text": "That's why the my friend calls me the slum of billionaires." }, { "end_time": "34:11", "start_time": "34:10", "text": "How does it feel being a billionaire?" }, { "end_time": "34:14", "start_time": "34:13", "text": "It's not like people think." }, { "end_time": "34:17", "start_time": "34:15", "text": "You know, in my bank account, I'm not rich." }, { "end_time": "34:24", "start_time": "34:17", "text": "In my bank account, it's I don't have a lot of money in my pocket, because, everything I own is just shares of a company." }, { "end_time": "34:31", "start_time": "34:26", "text": "It's just the value of Adoo that is big and because I'm the main shareholder." }, { "end_time": "34:33", "start_time": "34:31", "text": "But it's like I have money to spend." }, { "end_time": "34:35", "start_time": "34:33", "text": "I'm not buying big cars." }, { "end_time": "34:36", "start_time": "34:35", "text": "I'm not buying big houses." }, { "end_time": "34:39", "start_time": "34:36", "text": "I live in very small house in Gandenaga actually." }, { "end_time": "34:41", "start_time": "34:40", "text": "So it's not like people think." }, { "end_time": "34:45", "start_time": "34:42", "text": "My richness is to have a great company, which is Odoo." }, { "end_time": "34:46", "start_time": "34:45", "text": "And I don't plan to sell my shares." }, { "end_time": "34:48", "start_time": "34:46", "text": "So it's not like I will convert that into cash." }, { "end_time": "34:50", "start_time": "34:48", "text": "I will always keep it that way." }, { "end_time": "34:53", "start_time": "34:51", "text": "You'll just want to grow business for the sake of business?" }, { "end_time": "34:54", "start_time": "34:53", "text": "I think, yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:57", "start_time": "34:54", "text": "Because there is nothing less interest there is nothing more interesting than that." }, { "end_time": "35:00", "start_time": "34:57", "text": "I mean, I could go to the beach or I could go to the that's boring." }, { "end_time": "35:07", "start_time": "35:03", "text": "In the other hand, I can change people work at the life of people at work." }, { "end_time": "35:14", "start_time": "35:08", "text": "Could have an impact of millions of people doing great software where they reward us every day telling you, oh, software is good." }, { "end_time": "35:14", "start_time": "35:14", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "35:15", "start_time": "35:14", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "35:15", "start_time": "35:15", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "35:16", "start_time": "35:15", "text": "I mean, that is great." }, { "end_time": "35:18", "start_time": "35:16", "text": "It's much better than what I could afford with money." }, { "end_time": "35:22", "start_time": "35:20", "text": "If your son, you have a son?" }, { "end_time": "35:23", "start_time": "35:22", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "35:26", "start_time": "35:23", "text": "If your son comes up to you and says, hey billionaire dad, I want a Ferrari." }, { "end_time": "35:27", "start_time": "35:26", "text": "What are you going to tell him?" }, { "end_time": "35:28", "start_time": "35:28", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "35:30", "start_time": "35:28", "text": "I would say get the money to buy it yourself." }, { "end_time": "35:32", "start_time": "35:30", "text": "Are you in your will?" }, { "end_time": "35:33", "start_time": "35:32", "text": "Are you going to give all your money to your kids?" }, { "end_time": "35:37", "start_time": "35:34", "text": "I will give them a company, not money." }, { "end_time": "35:38", "start_time": "35:37", "text": "You'll give them the company?" }, { "end_time": "35:38", "start_time": "35:38", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "35:39", "start_time": "35:38", "text": "And then it's for them to do it." }, { "end_time": "35:40", "start_time": "35:39", "text": "If I die." }, { "end_time": "35:41", "start_time": "35:41", "text": "When I die." }, { "end_time": "35:47", "start_time": "35:44", "text": "I I find you I'm saying this as a compliment." }, { "end_time": "35:47", "start_time": "35:47", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:48", "start_time": "35:47", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "35:49", "start_time": "35:48", "text": "But you're very eccentric." }, { "end_time": "35:51", "start_time": "35:49", "text": "You're like a crazy guy." }, { "end_time": "35:57", "start_time": "35:52", "text": "Like, no, I mean, coder to founder to pivoting to almost going bankrupt." }, { "end_time": "36:01", "start_time": "35:58", "text": "And then you're a multi billionaire now and you choose to live in Gandhi." }, { "end_time": "36:02", "start_time": "36:01", "text": "Yeah, yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:04", "start_time": "36:02", "text": "But I mean it's all about the experience." }, { "end_time": "36:11", "start_time": "36:04", "text": "I mean living in a country you don't know, learning from a new culture, new people is way more interesting than driving a new car." }, { "end_time": "36:14", "start_time": "36:13", "text": "Go on." }, { "end_time": "36:15", "start_time": "36:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:17", "start_time": "36:15", "text": "It's, for me, it's all about the experience." }, { "end_time": "36:23", "start_time": "36:18", "text": "And there is also a lot something I am convinced about is, you know, what makes happiness." }, { "end_time": "36:26", "start_time": "36:24", "text": "People think, money makes happiness." }, { "end_time": "36:30", "start_time": "36:26", "text": "But I think it's not what you have that makes happiness, it's how you evolve." }, { "end_time": "36:33", "start_time": "36:30", "text": "So if you are here, you get that, you're super happy." }, { "end_time": "36:35", "start_time": "36:33", "text": "Or if you are here, you get that, you're super happy." }, { "end_time": "36:37", "start_time": "36:35", "text": "But when you are there, what do you do to be very happy?" }, { "end_time": "36:40", "start_time": "36:37", "text": "You cannot buy more cars, more it doesn't work." }, { "end_time": "36:50", "start_time": "36:40", "text": "So it's good also sometimes to level, to, slow down or decrease your quality of life so that you get used." }, { "end_time": "36:53", "start_time": "36:50", "text": "You don't get used to big richness and so on and you get very happy." }, { "end_time": "36:57", "start_time": "36:53", "text": "You know, when I come back to Belgium and I eat meat, super happy." }, { "end_time": "37:05", "start_time": "36:58", "text": "Because I eat veg veg for months or Like as in your expectations from life are very simple." }, { "end_time": "37:05", "start_time": "37:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "37:08", "start_time": "37:05", "text": "And if your expectation is low, it's the best way to be happy in life." }, { "end_time": "37:09", "start_time": "37:09", "text": "Damn." }, { "end_time": "37:10", "start_time": "37:09", "text": "How do you look at money?" }, { "end_time": "37:11", "start_time": "37:10", "text": "What is money for you?" }, { "end_time": "37:12", "start_time": "37:11", "text": "It's a mean." }, { "end_time": "37:15", "start_time": "37:12", "text": "For me, it's money is a mean to develop a bigger business." }, { "end_time": "37:18", "start_time": "37:15", "text": "Like, it's a means to To a goal." }, { "end_time": "37:24", "start_time": "37:18", "text": "And maybe the goal is to develop a bigger business, and so that we can do software that helps more and more companies." }, { "end_time": "37:26", "start_time": "37:25", "text": "So money is very important." }, { "end_time": "37:30", "start_time": "37:26", "text": "I need to, that's why we focus on selling and things like that." }, { "end_time": "37:37", "start_time": "37:30", "text": "But, you know, not as a goal in itself, but as a means to develop the software we want to develop." }, { "end_time": "37:46", "start_time": "37:40", "text": "And it cannot be the other way because if your goal is to make money, you won't be happy or you won't succeed your goal." }, { "end_time": "37:53", "start_time": "37:46", "text": "But if your goal is to make a great product, then if your product becomes great then money will follow." }, { "end_time": "37:54", "start_time": "37:53", "text": "Damn." }, { "end_time": "37:59", "start_time": "37:57", "text": "Has Gujarat taught you anything about money specifically?" }, { "end_time": "38:02", "start_time": "37:59", "text": "The Gujarat are they told me about yes." }, { "end_time": "38:03", "start_time": "38:02", "text": "Negotiation." }, { "end_time": "38:05", "start_time": "38:03", "text": "I was very bad at negotiating." }, { "end_time": "38:08", "start_time": "38:06", "text": "I thought I was good and then I came to India." }, { "end_time": "38:13", "start_time": "38:08", "text": "And then these guys are so crazy in negotiation that I I learned from them." }, { "end_time": "38:14", "start_time": "38:13", "text": "What did you learn?" }, { "end_time": "38:16", "start_time": "38:15", "text": "To be more pushy." }, { "end_time": "38:17", "start_time": "38:16", "text": "You need to be more pushy?" }, { "end_time": "38:18", "start_time": "38:17", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "38:19", "start_time": "38:18", "text": "Indians are very pushy." }, { "end_time": "38:22", "start_time": "38:19", "text": "When they negotiate negotiate very, very hard." }, { "end_time": "38:26", "start_time": "38:22", "text": "Even in weddings, they play, you know, this negotiation game during weddings." }, { "end_time": "38:30", "start_time": "38:27", "text": "You you get the shoe of the bride and you have to buy it back." }, { "end_time": "38:32", "start_time": "38:31", "text": "Everywhere they negotiate." }, { "end_time": "38:37", "start_time": "38:33", "text": "But, and specifically Gujarat, I think is a negotiation center." }, { "end_time": "38:39", "start_time": "38:38", "text": "Maybe, maybe it's Gujarat." }, { "end_time": "38:39", "start_time": "38:39", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "38:40", "start_time": "38:39", "text": "They have the best business skills." }, { "end_time": "38:41", "start_time": "38:40", "text": "Them and Marwadi's." }, { "end_time": "38:45", "start_time": "38:42", "text": "Then these are the 2 communities which are known as the business communities in India." }, { "end_time": "38:46", "start_time": "38:46", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "38:48", "start_time": "38:46", "text": "They are very good at negotiation and it's good." }, { "end_time": "38:52", "start_time": "38:48", "text": "It's useful for the for all activities actually." }, { "end_time": "38:57", "start_time": "38:52", "text": "Suppose you go back to Europe or America, you'll be using these Gujarati negotiation skills there?" }, { "end_time": "38:57", "start_time": "38:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "38:59", "start_time": "38:57", "text": "I will train the team there." }, { "end_time": "39:04", "start_time": "38:59", "text": "But you'll be It's already done because when you have a group of different countries, they all work together." }, { "end_time": "39:08", "start_time": "39:04", "text": "So initially I asked a Belgian team to train Indians." }, { "end_time": "39:14", "start_time": "39:09", "text": "For instance, the influencer marketing team, the Belgian team trains the Indians, how we proceed." }, { "end_time": "39:21", "start_time": "39:15", "text": "And then they do call together and then they notice that the Indian person is negotiating way better than them." }, { "end_time": "39:23", "start_time": "39:21", "text": "So they learn from the call." }, { "end_time": "39:29", "start_time": "39:25", "text": "And working together, we all learn from the strengths of the other, which is good." }, { "end_time": "39:29", "start_time": "39:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "39:34", "start_time": "39:29", "text": "Which is why in club football, every player has different nationalities." }, { "end_time": "39:36", "start_time": "39:34", "text": "Everyone brings their own strengths to the table." }, { "end_time": "39:44", "start_time": "39:37", "text": "Do you look at international business expansion in the same way that Indians have a role to play in international businesses but they should be played to their strengths?" }, { "end_time": "39:45", "start_time": "39:44", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "39:50", "start_time": "39:46", "text": "You know, we have a big company in Dubai, 600 people or something." }, { "end_time": "39:54", "start_time": "39:52", "text": "The director come from Gujarat too." }, { "end_time": "40:05", "start_time": "39:55", "text": "He went there and so the way we do what to do is that, we have a rule, every employee can switch from one company to another country if he has 2 years experience." }, { "end_time": "40:09", "start_time": "40:05", "text": "You just have to ask and we say okay, he can work in any country of the group." }, { "end_time": "40:14", "start_time": "40:10", "text": "That way we push people to travel and discover and learn from that experience." }, { "end_time": "40:16", "start_time": "40:14", "text": "And which countries are you spread in?" }, { "end_time": "40:28", "start_time": "40:16", "text": "We are in San Francisco Buffalo, United States, Dubai, Mexico, Spain, Italy, Germany, Australia, Belgium, of course, Hong Kong." }, { "end_time": "40:30", "start_time": "40:29", "text": "I probably missed a few." }, { "end_time": "40:34", "start_time": "40:31", "text": "How are you so humble after building all this?" }, { "end_time": "40:38", "start_time": "40:37", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "40:41", "start_time": "40:39", "text": "Do you look at yourself as humble?" }, { "end_time": "40:43", "start_time": "40:41", "text": "I don't look at the past." }, { "end_time": "40:45", "start_time": "40:43", "text": "Don't care too much about what we built." }, { "end_time": "40:48", "start_time": "40:45", "text": "What I do focus on is what we should build." }, { "end_time": "40:55", "start_time": "40:49", "text": "If you look at the due today, even though it's exploding, we are the best management software you can get on the market growing like crazy." }, { "end_time": "40:59", "start_time": "40:55", "text": "It's still 1% of the market, 0.1% of the market." }, { "end_time": "41:07", "start_time": "40:59", "text": "Market is so big, every company in the world, small to large, every industry, we are still 0.1 percent of the market." }, { "end_time": "41:11", "start_time": "41:07", "text": "So when I look at it, I am not saying, yeah, we succeeded." }, { "end_time": "41:13", "start_time": "41:11", "text": "I am looking at it like we do 0.1% of the market." }, { "end_time": "41:16", "start_time": "41:13", "text": "How we got to that, from that to 5%." }, { "end_time": "41:24", "start_time": "41:17", "text": "And so I'm focusing more on the future, what we should do and continue to do in order to keep this growth rather than what we have succeeded." }, { "end_time": "41:29", "start_time": "41:25", "text": "Man, I'm really enjoying talking to you genuinely." }, { "end_time": "41:31", "start_time": "41:29", "text": "Like, I'm glad I get to do this for a living." }, { "end_time": "41:33", "start_time": "41:31", "text": "I was telling you I have a great job, you know?" }, { "end_time": "41:34", "start_time": "41:33", "text": "Meeting people." }, { "end_time": "41:35", "start_time": "41:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "41:39", "start_time": "41:35", "text": "But how often do you meet a European billionaire who's staying in India?" }, { "end_time": "41:41", "start_time": "41:39", "text": "You know, there's so many questions." }, { "end_time": "41:52", "start_time": "41:41", "text": "I just want to ask you for myself about your life, about business lessons, about what we can do better because I truly believe that Indians who can speak good English should be thinking about selling their stuff abroad." }, { "end_time": "41:59", "start_time": "41:53", "text": "You know, there's a lot that our country can sell abroad, but in order to sell abroad, we need to understand the foreigner mind much more." }, { "end_time": "42:00", "start_time": "41:59", "text": "How do you look at India?" }, { "end_time": "42:01", "start_time": "42:00", "text": "How have you sold things?" }, { "end_time": "42:03", "start_time": "42:01", "text": "This is a very important business conversation." }, { "end_time": "42:05", "start_time": "42:03", "text": "So this is a conversation I would have with you anyway." }, { "end_time": "42:14", "start_time": "42:07", "text": "So I appreciate the time you're giving because I am a 100% sure you're a very busy guy, but you're coming to Mumbai for a day speaking to me." }, { "end_time": "42:17", "start_time": "42:14", "text": "I don't even feel like I'm talking to like a 44 year old guy." }, { "end_time": "42:20", "start_time": "42:17", "text": "I feel like I'm talking to a guy who's just my age and you're talking like a brother." }, { "end_time": "42:21", "start_time": "42:21", "text": "So Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:22", "start_time": "42:21", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "42:22", "start_time": "42:22", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "42:23", "start_time": "42:22", "text": "It's good to hear." }, { "end_time": "42:25", "start_time": "42:23", "text": "Thank you for being so open, firstly." }, { "end_time": "42:25", "start_time": "42:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:31", "start_time": "42:26", "text": "What's been the most fun thing you've done in India?" }, { "end_time": "42:34", "start_time": "42:32", "text": "I think building a business is fun." }, { "end_time": "42:35", "start_time": "42:34", "text": "Yeah, really." }, { "end_time": "42:37", "start_time": "42:35", "text": "It is lots of problem solving challenges." }, { "end_time": "42:40", "start_time": "42:38", "text": "It is, setting up things." }, { "end_time": "42:41", "start_time": "42:40", "text": "It is creative." }, { "end_time": "42:47", "start_time": "42:41", "text": "It is, so the best I did is to scale, hyperscale the company." }, { "end_time": "42:47", "start_time": "42:47", "text": "In India?" }, { "end_time": "42:48", "start_time": "42:47", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "42:50", "start_time": "42:48", "text": "The scaling has been the most fun thing." }, { "end_time": "42:50", "start_time": "42:50", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "42:51", "start_time": "42:51", "text": "So, okay." }, { "end_time": "42:53", "start_time": "42:51", "text": "Let me reframe the same question." }, { "end_time": "43:01", "start_time": "42:54", "text": "When you first got here, in the 1st week and in the 1st month, what were your set of learnings?" }, { "end_time": "43:03", "start_time": "43:01", "text": "So what did you learn in your 1st week about this country?" }, { "end_time": "43:05", "start_time": "43:03", "text": "What did you learn in your 1st month?" }, { "end_time": "43:12", "start_time": "43:05", "text": "So the 1st week when you, so, when you want to, transform a company, 1st week you just learn." }, { "end_time": "43:21", "start_time": "43:12", "text": "You work with people, you learn who they are, who are the best, who we can leverage to make the company skills, what are the weaknesses, what are the strengths, so that you can rely on." }, { "end_time": "43:24", "start_time": "43:21", "text": "So I would say the 1st weeks, I didn't do a lot of things." }, { "end_time": "43:30", "start_time": "43:24", "text": "I just worked with people, helped them on more details, but more, it was more a process of learning for me." }, { "end_time": "43:32", "start_time": "43:30", "text": "You understood your teammates." }, { "end_time": "43:33", "start_time": "43:32", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "43:34", "start_time": "43:33", "text": "Correct to say?" }, { "end_time": "43:36", "start_time": "43:34", "text": "And you were trying to absorb what situation you're in." }, { "end_time": "43:36", "start_time": "43:36", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "43:40", "start_time": "43:36", "text": "You help them when you know things, but it's better to more listen than talking." }, { "end_time": "43:45", "start_time": "43:41", "text": "And after that, then I can replicate all the good practice we had at To Do." }, { "end_time": "43:50", "start_time": "43:46", "text": "And some of them I had to adapt because it didn't work in the end market." }, { "end_time": "43:55", "start_time": "43:50", "text": "Others, I just replicated what I used to do in other companies and it worked here." }, { "end_time": "43:55", "start_time": "43:55", "text": "Like what?" }, { "end_time": "43:56", "start_time": "43:55", "text": "Can you break that down?" }, { "end_time": "44:03", "start_time": "43:56", "text": "Both the ones that didn't work and the ones For instance, one of our marketing strategy I have to do is to do what we call roadshows, it's events in different cities." }, { "end_time": "44:09", "start_time": "44:04", "text": "And when I arrived here, roadshow had like 40 attendees, which is nothing." }, { "end_time": "44:17", "start_time": "44:09", "text": "When we do roadshows in Africa, we have thousands of people in Europe, we have thousands of people and we had 40 on such a big country on large cities, that didn't work." }, { "end_time": "44:25", "start_time": "44:18", "text": "So I did the usual marketing tactics, Facebook ads, LinkedIn ads, mass mailing and so on." }, { "end_time": "44:26", "start_time": "44:25", "text": "And then I went to 600 attendees." }, { "end_time": "44:29", "start_time": "44:27", "text": "I was like, start to be good." }, { "end_time": "44:29", "start_time": "44:29", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "44:32", "start_time": "44:29", "text": "And I came to the management, very proud of me." }, { "end_time": "44:33", "start_time": "44:32", "text": "Were they coming to meet you?" }, { "end_time": "44:35", "start_time": "44:34", "text": "No, no, it's not me." }, { "end_time": "44:42", "start_time": "44:35", "text": "It's more salespeople with the demonstration of the product, the Yodu community work together, presentation customers, and things like that." }, { "end_time": "44:46", "start_time": "44:42", "text": "So you use digital to create a community online?" }, { "end_time": "44:46", "start_time": "44:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "44:48", "start_time": "44:46", "text": "We already have a big community here to do." }, { "end_time": "44:50", "start_time": "44:48", "text": "We leverage this community and try to bring more people." }, { "end_time": "44:58", "start_time": "44:51", "text": "And we do, events that are on-site in big cities, Delhi, Mumbai, Ahmedabad, Pune." }, { "end_time": "45:01", "start_time": "44:58", "text": "But it was a community grip through social media." }, { "end_time": "45:01", "start_time": "45:01", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "45:01", "start_time": "45:01", "text": "LinkedIn." }, { "end_time": "45:09", "start_time": "45:02", "text": "Because we had, I had too many, too few people when we started, I had to do advertising to bring more attendees to our events." }, { "end_time": "45:11", "start_time": "45:09", "text": "This is performance advertising you did?" }, { "end_time": "45:11", "start_time": "45:11", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "45:12", "start_time": "45:11", "text": "On Facebook?" }, { "end_time": "45:14", "start_time": "45:12", "text": "Facebook, LinkedIn, and so on." }, { "end_time": "45:15", "start_time": "45:14", "text": "That use our product." }, { "end_time": "45:16", "start_time": "45:15", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "45:16", "start_time": "45:16", "text": "That's it." }, { "end_time": "45:19", "start_time": "45:16", "text": "The ones who use or potentially will use the product." }, { "end_time": "45:20", "start_time": "45:19", "text": "So I did that." }, { "end_time": "45:22", "start_time": "45:20", "text": "I scaled that and it went where?" }, { "end_time": "45:24", "start_time": "45:22", "text": "We went to 600 registered attendees." }, { "end_time": "45:25", "start_time": "45:24", "text": "I thought it was very good." }, { "end_time": "45:27", "start_time": "45:25", "text": "So I was like, yeah, I'm good." }, { "end_time": "45:34", "start_time": "45:28", "text": "And then only 120 people show off, went to the event actually came." }, { "end_time": "45:37", "start_time": "45:34", "text": "So the no show was huge, like 80% no show." }, { "end_time": "45:40", "start_time": "45:37", "text": "Like 600 people signed up for the event, but only 120 came." }, { "end_time": "45:45", "start_time": "45:41", "text": "And so that's where I noticed that in India it's different." }, { "end_time": "45:47", "start_time": "45:45", "text": "You have to do way more." }, { "end_time": "45:58", "start_time": "45:48", "text": "And that's something I learned when I was looking for an apartment or house for me is that you have booking with people to visit houses and 50% of the time they just don't come." }, { "end_time": "46:01", "start_time": "45:59", "text": "You arrive, nobody's there." }, { "end_time": "46:04", "start_time": "46:01", "text": "You have to call 1 hour before to say, I'm coming, I'm here." }, { "end_time": "46:06", "start_time": "46:05", "text": "And then they come." }, { "end_time": "46:11", "start_time": "46:06", "text": "And so, I worked on how can we improve so that more than 20% of the attendees come." }, { "end_time": "46:15", "start_time": "46:12", "text": "And so we started with WhatsApp and that worked very well." }, { "end_time": "46:21", "start_time": "46:15", "text": "We did reminder 1 hour before the event, one day before the event, SMS marketing, and that works very well." }, { "end_time": "46:29", "start_time": "46:22", "text": "And that's the kind of things where I learned in India because nobody used, I was not using WhatsApp in Belgium, but here everybody used it." }, { "end_time": "46:35", "start_time": "46:29", "text": "And so now that you automated reminder, we had way more people to road shows." }, { "end_time": "46:39", "start_time": "46:35", "text": "And, I learned that from India, we put that in the product." }, { "end_time": "46:48", "start_time": "46:39", "text": "So now there was WhatsApp in all the applications in standard for the point of sale, when you have tickets, you receive the tickets on WhatsApp bill, you receive your bill or invoice on WhatsApp." }, { "end_time": "46:52", "start_time": "46:48", "text": "Even if you have your notification, registration notification on WhatsApp, everything." }, { "end_time": "46:59", "start_time": "46:53", "text": "And then it helped all of the countries too, because we deployed that in Latin America, worked very well too." }, { "end_time": "47:00", "start_time": "46:59", "text": "We deployed it in Africa." }, { "end_time": "47:01", "start_time": "47:00", "text": "They love WhatsApp too." }, { "end_time": "47:03", "start_time": "47:01", "text": "It worked very well because I learned it from India." }, { "end_time": "47:05", "start_time": "47:04", "text": "You know the word empathy?" }, { "end_time": "47:08", "start_time": "47:06", "text": "Empathy is like understanding someone else's emotions." }, { "end_time": "47:08", "start_time": "47:08", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "47:19", "start_time": "47:08", "text": "I feel that in a business person's career, somewhere after you gain some success, there'll be a point where you begin to lose a little empathy because business makes you very dry and mathematical." }, { "end_time": "47:21", "start_time": "47:20", "text": "And you've to just like self correct." }, { "end_time": "47:26", "start_time": "47:21", "text": "I've seen this with a lot of, business folks I've had on the show as well." }, { "end_time": "47:34", "start_time": "47:26", "text": "A lot of them, say that the biggest mistakes were a point where they overvalued what they were trying to sell, or they were trying to chase money too hard." }, { "end_time": "47:37", "start_time": "47:34", "text": "And even here, I mean, 3 layers deep, we boil it down to the same." }, { "end_time": "47:40", "start_time": "47:37", "text": "It's usually a mistake I don't do, but that time I did it." }, { "end_time": "47:40", "start_time": "47:40", "text": "You're right." }, { "end_time": "47:41", "start_time": "47:40", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "47:44", "start_time": "47:42", "text": "How do you look back at your twenties?" }, { "end_time": "47:46", "start_time": "47:45", "text": "Because you're 44." }, { "end_time": "47:47", "start_time": "47:46", "text": "You have a nice family life." }, { "end_time": "47:48", "start_time": "47:47", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "47:50", "start_time": "47:48", "text": "You have a good, like, material life." }, { "end_time": "47:51", "start_time": "47:50", "text": "You know, your company is doing well." }, { "end_time": "47:54", "start_time": "47:51", "text": "Your Europe's one of Europe's youngest billionaires." }, { "end_time": "47:56", "start_time": "47:55", "text": "How do you look back at your 20s?" }, { "end_time": "47:59", "start_time": "47:57", "text": "I feel like it's the same for me." }, { "end_time": "48:03", "start_time": "47:59", "text": "Like when I was 20, my focus was I want to build the best software." }, { "end_time": "48:06", "start_time": "48:03", "text": "Today my focus is I want to build the best software." }, { "end_time": "48:15", "start_time": "48:06", "text": "And things changed, of course, But the strategy, the long term vision, what I like to do, what I do remains." }, { "end_time": "48:21", "start_time": "48:15", "text": "I still spend the majority of my time, making sure that To do is much better than the competitor, improving the software." }, { "end_time": "48:22", "start_time": "48:21", "text": "It's still the same." }, { "end_time": "48:24", "start_time": "48:22", "text": "I'm still doing what I like." }, { "end_time": "48:31", "start_time": "48:24", "text": "It's even better now because in the, when you are small, like 50 people, you have to deal more with HR stuff." }, { "end_time": "48:36", "start_time": "48:31", "text": "When you are big, you can delegate the HR stuff and focus on really what matters." }, { "end_time": "48:38", "start_time": "48:36", "text": "So it's a bit better for even for me now." }, { "end_time": "48:39", "start_time": "48:38", "text": "Which is the product?" }, { "end_time": "48:39", "start_time": "48:39", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "48:40", "start_time": "48:39", "text": "The product matters." }, { "end_time": "48:41", "start_time": "48:40", "text": "Or the company." }, { "end_time": "48:44", "start_time": "48:42", "text": "The culture, the improving." }, { "end_time": "48:51", "start_time": "48:44", "text": "So I focus on the if we transition, we have to change the department or big that's the reason why I came to EDI, big transition for the company." }, { "end_time": "48:54", "start_time": "48:51", "text": "So I focus about things that bring value to the company." }, { "end_time": "48:56", "start_time": "48:54", "text": "Why did you choose Gujarat in India?" }, { "end_time": "48:57", "start_time": "48:56", "text": "I didn't choose Gujarat." }, { "end_time": "49:01", "start_time": "48:57", "text": "So when you create, we launched a lot of companies." }, { "end_time": "49:07", "start_time": "49:02", "text": "We did or do in Mexico, Spain, Italy, Buffalo and so on and so on." }, { "end_time": "49:11", "start_time": "49:07", "text": "The key to succeed a new company is not the location." }, { "end_time": "49:13", "start_time": "49:11", "text": "The key is the director." }, { "end_time": "49:14", "start_time": "49:13", "text": "This is the most important thing." }, { "end_time": "49:17", "start_time": "49:14", "text": "You can have a good director in a bad location, it will work." }, { "end_time": "49:21", "start_time": "49:17", "text": "You can have a good location, average director, it's going to be painful." }, { "end_time": "49:25", "start_time": "49:21", "text": "And so the way we work, it's always about people." }, { "end_time": "49:29", "start_time": "49:25", "text": "The way we work when we want to open a new company is never to say we want to go there or there." }, { "end_time": "49:34", "start_time": "49:29", "text": "It's more about who is the best guy we have in the company that we can leverage to create a company with." }, { "end_time": "49:52", "start_time": "49:34", "text": "So you had a bunch of employees in Europe and America and you pick out like one of the best So the way it's worked is I was working with a French company, who had this subsidiary in India and I was working with them and then I worked with Manavial, director at the time there and still the director today." }, { "end_time": "49:54", "start_time": "49:52", "text": "And I noticed that this guy is very good." }, { "end_time": "49:58", "start_time": "49:54", "text": "And so I wanted to do something with him and say, okay, let's create a company." }, { "end_time": "50:04", "start_time": "49:58", "text": "So we discussed with this French company, I acquired 50% of the shares and then the totality because we split and I get the totality." }, { "end_time": "50:07", "start_time": "50:06", "text": "But it was not about Gujarat." }, { "end_time": "50:09", "start_time": "50:08", "text": "It was about Mantavia." }, { "end_time": "50:14", "start_time": "50:09", "text": "If there were these guys that I would say, okay, it's good enough, we can build something with it." }, { "end_time": "50:15", "start_time": "50:14", "text": "And it's always the same." }, { "end_time": "50:16", "start_time": "50:15", "text": "You know, we have a company in Buffalo." }, { "end_time": "50:17", "start_time": "50:16", "text": "Nobody goes to Buffalo." }, { "end_time": "50:18", "start_time": "50:18", "text": "In New York?" }, { "end_time": "50:20", "start_time": "50:18", "text": "It's in state of New York, but it's not New York." }, { "end_time": "50:22", "start_time": "50:20", "text": "It's way above." }, { "end_time": "50:24", "start_time": "50:23", "text": "Nobody goes there." }, { "end_time": "50:30", "start_time": "50:24", "text": "You go to Silicon Valley, San Francisco, New York, Boston, but not in Buffalo." }, { "end_time": "50:33", "start_time": "50:30", "text": "It's like a desert city, old industrial city." }, { "end_time": "50:34", "start_time": "50:33", "text": "Where we get there?" }, { "end_time": "50:35", "start_time": "50:34", "text": "Because of the director." }, { "end_time": "50:38", "start_time": "50:36", "text": "Nick, our director there is super good." }, { "end_time": "50:41", "start_time": "50:38", "text": "We wanted to do something with him because he went from, he came from Buffalo." }, { "end_time": "50:42", "start_time": "50:41", "text": "We said, okay, let's go to Buffalo." }, { "end_time": "50:45", "start_time": "50:43", "text": "And it turns out it was a very good decision." }, { "end_time": "50:51", "start_time": "50:45", "text": "It's amazing to have an office there, But it was all about the people, not about the location." }, { "end_time": "50:58", "start_time": "50:52", "text": "So your key to expanding business, especially internationally, is actually great leadership." }, { "end_time": "50:59", "start_time": "50:58", "text": "You pick out the best team captains." }, { "end_time": "51:02", "start_time": "51:00", "text": "Because execution is stronger than strategy." }, { "end_time": "51:06", "start_time": "51:02", "text": "Execution is about having the right guy that can make it happen." }, { "end_time": "51:06", "start_time": "51:06", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "51:11", "start_time": "51:08", "text": "Is stronger than having better market or strategy." }, { "end_time": "51:15", "start_time": "51:11", "text": "Strategy is important, but execution is much more important." }, { "end_time": "51:18", "start_time": "51:15", "text": "Because I think, strategy is built out of feedback." }, { "end_time": "51:19", "start_time": "51:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "51:20", "start_time": "51:19", "text": "And strategy can evolve." }, { "end_time": "51:26", "start_time": "51:21", "text": "If you have someone who is capable of making things up and transforming companies, he will evolve with strategy." }, { "end_time": "51:28", "start_time": "51:27", "text": "So director chose Gujarat?" }, { "end_time": "51:30", "start_time": "51:29", "text": "So I chose a director." }, { "end_time": "51:31", "start_time": "51:30", "text": "He lived in Gujarat." }, { "end_time": "51:34", "start_time": "51:32", "text": "And because he lived there, we created a company there." }, { "end_time": "51:36", "start_time": "51:35", "text": "And actually he was a student." }, { "end_time": "51:38", "start_time": "51:36", "text": "So as it was not a director, he's a student." }, { "end_time": "51:39", "start_time": "51:38", "text": "We recruited a few people." }, { "end_time": "51:41", "start_time": "51:39", "text": "And he started in the student room." }, { "end_time": "51:44", "start_time": "51:41", "text": "And now he's managing 650 people." }, { "end_time": "51:45", "start_time": "51:44", "text": "How old is this guy?" }, { "end_time": "51:47", "start_time": "51:45", "text": "I think he's 4 less than me, 40." }, { "end_time": "51:48", "start_time": "51:47", "text": "He's 40 years old?" }, { "end_time": "51:49", "start_time": "51:48", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "51:49", "start_time": "51:49", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "51:53", "start_time": "51:49", "text": "Working with me since 16 years." }, { "end_time": "51:56", "start_time": "51:54", "text": "And you met him where in Europe?" }, { "end_time": "51:59", "start_time": "51:57", "text": "No, I met him in I came to India." }, { "end_time": "52:05", "start_time": "51:59", "text": "I met him online because I worked with this French partner and we initially worked on some tasks together online." }, { "end_time": "52:07", "start_time": "52:05", "text": "And then I came to meet him in India." }, { "end_time": "52:09", "start_time": "52:07", "text": "And you prioritized his comfort?" }, { "end_time": "52:10", "start_time": "52:10", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "52:12", "start_time": "52:10", "text": "But I I didn't know about anything." }, { "end_time": "52:12", "start_time": "52:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:13", "start_time": "52:12", "text": "I didn't know about the other cities." }, { "end_time": "52:16", "start_time": "52:14", "text": "All I knew is that, okay, I have a good idea." }, { "end_time": "52:17", "start_time": "52:16", "text": "Let's use it." }, { "end_time": "52:17", "start_time": "52:17", "text": "Damn." }, { "end_time": "52:20", "start_time": "52:18", "text": "Do you know what analysis paralysis is?" }, { "end_time": "52:21", "start_time": "52:20", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "52:25", "start_time": "52:21", "text": "Analysis paralysis means you analyze so much that you don't end up doing anything." }, { "end_time": "52:28", "start_time": "52:25", "text": "Like, you know, you're just thinking about the problem but you're not actually solving it." }, { "end_time": "52:29", "start_time": "52:28", "text": "This is the polar opposite." }, { "end_time": "52:32", "start_time": "52:29", "text": "You're someone who believes in, like, doing things first and then figuring Yes." }, { "end_time": "52:37", "start_time": "52:32", "text": "There is another way to, there is a good book from an Indian actually." }, { "end_time": "52:39", "start_time": "52:38", "text": "What is it called?" }, { "end_time": "52:42", "start_time": "52:39", "text": "It's, I forget the name." }, { "end_time": "52:43", "start_time": "52:42", "text": "Sorry." }, { "end_time": "52:46", "start_time": "52:45", "text": "What's a business?" }, { "end_time": "52:47", "start_time": "52:47", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "52:53", "start_time": "52:47", "text": "It's rational thinking versus, versus, I forget, but I can explain the concept." }, { "end_time": "52:56", "start_time": "52:54", "text": "You have 2 types of managers." }, { "end_time": "52:59", "start_time": "52:56", "text": "Some manager will define the goal." }, { "end_time": "53:01", "start_time": "52:59", "text": "Let's say you want to create a restaurant." }, { "end_time": "53:03", "start_time": "53:01", "text": "I will do a rest you will do market analysis." }, { "end_time": "53:11", "start_time": "53:04", "text": "I will do a restaurant in this area, maybe a Chinese restaurant, and I will design the menu and it's going to be at that price." }, { "end_time": "53:13", "start_time": "53:11", "text": "And then it will cost that much money." }, { "end_time": "53:17", "start_time": "53:13", "text": "So I will find funds and then I will recruit people and then, and then." }, { "end_time": "53:18", "start_time": "53:17", "text": "So some people work that way." }, { "end_time": "53:26", "start_time": "53:18", "text": "They start with defining a goal and then from the goal, they decide if it's what we call traditional manager, MBA style manager." }, { "end_time": "53:27", "start_time": "53:26", "text": "I don't work that way at all." }, { "end_time": "53:28", "start_time": "53:27", "text": "I work the opposite." }, { "end_time": "53:31", "start_time": "53:29", "text": "I don't look at where I go because that changes." }, { "end_time": "53:33", "start_time": "53:31", "text": "I cannot predict the future." }, { "end_time": "53:34", "start_time": "53:33", "text": "I look at what I have." }, { "end_time": "53:36", "start_time": "53:35", "text": "I look at my environment." }, { "end_time": "53:40", "start_time": "53:36", "text": "Maybe I have a good deal to have a restaurant location there." }, { "end_time": "53:41", "start_time": "53:40", "text": "I will jump there." }, { "end_time": "53:44", "start_time": "53:41", "text": "And then I will try to leverage everything I have." }, { "end_time": "53:45", "start_time": "53:44", "text": "Maybe I know a chef who is super good." }, { "end_time": "53:47", "start_time": "53:45", "text": "He is not Chinese, but he is Indian." }, { "end_time": "53:49", "start_time": "53:47", "text": "So I will do an Indian restaurant." }, { "end_time": "53:55", "start_time": "53:49", "text": "And the way I work is more on that, is to optimize my path to optimize to the ultimate goal." }, { "end_time": "53:58", "start_time": "53:55", "text": "But I don't define the goal because I don't think it's possible." }, { "end_time": "54:01", "start_time": "53:59", "text": "For instance, I never do budget in over 2 years." }, { "end_time": "54:02", "start_time": "54:01", "text": "I know it's not possible." }, { "end_time": "54:07", "start_time": "54:02", "text": "What I do is to optimize how we spend money to be sure it's the most efficient possible." }, { "end_time": "54:13", "start_time": "54:07", "text": "So I start from what I have, I optimize and I ensure we get the best outcome out of it." }, { "end_time": "54:14", "start_time": "54:13", "text": "But I cannot predict." }, { "end_time": "54:19", "start_time": "54:14", "text": "I don't start for the prediction because it create constraint that you probably don't want." }, { "end_time": "54:19", "start_time": "54:19", "text": "Puts pressure." }, { "end_time": "54:20", "start_time": "54:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "54:23", "start_time": "54:21", "text": "Rather just focus on the process and do it." }, { "end_time": "54:28", "start_time": "54:23", "text": "It's more about top down rather versus bottom up versus top down." }, { "end_time": "54:30", "start_time": "54:28", "text": "You believe in bottom up much more?" }, { "end_time": "54:30", "start_time": "54:30", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "54:31", "start_time": "54:30", "text": "Gotcha." }, { "end_time": "54:41", "start_time": "54:32", "text": "You have to mix and you still need a vision, but, yes, I don't think like market analysis, business plan, budget planning." }, { "end_time": "54:43", "start_time": "54:41", "text": "I don't think these kind of things are useful." }, { "end_time": "54:48", "start_time": "54:45", "text": "In India specifically, is your main market in Mumbai, Delhi, Bangalore?" }, { "end_time": "54:50", "start_time": "54:49", "text": "It's widely spread." }, { "end_time": "54:50", "start_time": "54:50", "text": "All over?" }, { "end_time": "54:51", "start_time": "54:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "54:54", "start_time": "54:51", "text": "Even in the world, our biggest market is the US." }, { "end_time": "54:57", "start_time": "54:54", "text": "But we only do 15% of our revenues in the US." }, { "end_time": "54:59", "start_time": "54:57", "text": "So it's very much spread in a lot of different countries." }, { "end_time": "55:01", "start_time": "55:00", "text": "Let's first speak about India." }, { "end_time": "55:04", "start_time": "55:01", "text": "I want to know about your world game also." }, { "end_time": "55:08", "start_time": "55:04", "text": "But in India, so your team is sitting out of Gandhi Nagar." }, { "end_time": "55:09", "start_time": "55:08", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "55:11", "start_time": "55:09", "text": "And they're selling across India." }, { "end_time": "55:12", "start_time": "55:11", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "55:12", "start_time": "55:12", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "55:13", "start_time": "55:12", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "55:17", "start_time": "55:15", "text": "So that has been smooth for you?" }, { "end_time": "55:23", "start_time": "55:18", "text": "Or do you think that if you moved to Mumbai or Delhi or Bangalore, you'd get better results for this country?" }, { "end_time": "55:28", "start_time": "55:24", "text": "The location is not that so what matters on the location for me?" }, { "end_time": "55:33", "start_time": "55:28", "text": "We, most of the things, when we sell to small and mid sized company, it's over the phone or video conference." }, { "end_time": "55:36", "start_time": "55:33", "text": "So you don't need to be physically present." }, { "end_time": "55:37", "start_time": "55:36", "text": "So what matters?" }, { "end_time": "55:43", "start_time": "55:38", "text": "To have good engineers, you have good engineers and very good engineers in Ganden." }, { "end_time": "55:46", "start_time": "55:43", "text": "You have also as well, but there you are very good engineers." }, { "end_time": "55:53", "start_time": "55:47", "text": "The good thing is in Gandenaga or Randabad that you don't have Google, Apple, IBM there." }, { "end_time": "56:02", "start_time": "55:54", "text": "So you can actually get the good engineers, which is more difficult if you go to the Indian Silicon Valley, like Mumbai, Bangalore and Delhi." }, { "end_time": "56:03", "start_time": "56:02", "text": "So for that, it's very good." }, { "end_time": "56:11", "start_time": "56:03", "text": "And you need good retention because in order to build for the long term, you need people to stay long time in the company, which is a challenge sometimes in India." }, { "end_time": "56:13", "start_time": "56:11", "text": "How do you get good retention?" }, { "end_time": "56:18", "start_time": "56:13", "text": "Good salaries, you have to pay 20%, 30% above the market because it's very important for Indians." }, { "end_time": "56:22", "start_time": "56:19", "text": "And 2, less competition on the market." }, { "end_time": "56:25", "start_time": "56:23", "text": "And 3, good working environment, good culture." }, { "end_time": "56:29", "start_time": "56:26", "text": "And I believe that for this, Gujarat is very good." }, { "end_time": "56:33", "start_time": "56:30", "text": "You have less pressure of competitors on the IT market." }, { "end_time": "56:38", "start_time": "56:34", "text": "You still have strong universities for engineers." }, { "end_time": "56:46", "start_time": "56:39", "text": "And salaries are a bit lower than what you could get in Mumbai or Delhi, which allows you to easily pay above market." }, { "end_time": "56:46", "start_time": "56:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "56:51", "start_time": "56:46", "text": "And here I think there's also a massive problem we face is rent for the rental room." }, { "end_time": "56:54", "start_time": "56:51", "text": "For the employees, cost of living, of course, is lower." }, { "end_time": "56:55", "start_time": "56:54", "text": "Therefore, salaries are way higher also." }, { "end_time": "56:56", "start_time": "56:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "56:57", "start_time": "56:56", "text": "But it's crazy." }, { "end_time": "57:02", "start_time": "56:57", "text": "I never in my wildest dreams thought that someone like you would be staying in Gardena Nagar and building out your business." }, { "end_time": "57:02", "start_time": "57:02", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "57:04", "start_time": "57:02", "text": "And you know the biggest mistakes I did?" }, { "end_time": "57:06", "start_time": "57:05", "text": "I created a company in San Francisco." }, { "end_time": "57:08", "start_time": "57:07", "text": "Big mistake." }, { "end_time": "57:16", "start_time": "57:08", "text": "Because it's a Tier one city, you are next to Google, Apple, Microsoft, how can you recruit the best engineers next to these guys?" }, { "end_time": "57:19", "start_time": "57:16", "text": "And the cost of living is so high that big mistake." }, { "end_time": "57:22", "start_time": "57:19", "text": "I did it after in Buffalo, super good." }, { "end_time": "57:26", "start_time": "57:23", "text": "And so now we have a rule to do is we never go to tier 1 cities." }, { "end_time": "57:32", "start_time": "57:26", "text": "We always go to tier 2 cities because that's where we can have a better retention of the employees." }, { "end_time": "57:36", "start_time": "57:34", "text": "No one is ever at that on this show?" }, { "end_time": "57:38", "start_time": "57:37", "text": "They should." }, { "end_time": "57:48", "start_time": "57:38", "text": "I mean, I get some, I remember when I, so I, we have a few investor offices in the board and so they did a big market analysis for us." }, { "end_time": "57:52", "start_time": "57:48", "text": "What are the best cities to put the 2nd office in the US?" }, { "end_time": "57:53", "start_time": "57:52", "text": "And they came with a list of 50." }, { "end_time": "57:55", "start_time": "57:53", "text": "And Buffalo was not even in the list." }, { "end_time": "57:57", "start_time": "57:55", "text": "And I said, no, no, we will go to Buffalo." }, { "end_time": "57:59", "start_time": "57:58", "text": "And why?" }, { "end_time": "58:00", "start_time": "57:59", "text": "Because we have a director." }, { "end_time": "58:01", "start_time": "58:00", "text": "Not because of Buffalo." }, { "end_time": "58:02", "start_time": "58:01", "text": "At the time, I didn't care about Follow." }, { "end_time": "58:06", "start_time": "58:02", "text": "All I cared was it could not be a tier one city." }, { "end_time": "58:07", "start_time": "58:06", "text": "It has to be a tier 2." }, { "end_time": "58:09", "start_time": "58:07", "text": "And the director decided the city." }, { "end_time": "58:13", "start_time": "58:10", "text": "You're reteaching me a lot of the business things that I thought I knew." }, { "end_time": "58:15", "start_time": "58:13", "text": "And I had like a way I looked at business." }, { "end_time": "58:16", "start_time": "58:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "58:18", "start_time": "58:16", "text": "But this and what you're saying makes sense." }, { "end_time": "58:19", "start_time": "58:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "58:20", "start_time": "58:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "58:23", "start_time": "58:20", "text": "If you create a company in San Francisco, you will suffer." }, { "end_time": "58:28", "start_time": "58:23", "text": "Super high salaries, high rent, high not have a engineers not available." }, { "end_time": "58:30", "start_time": "58:28", "text": "It's better to go to smaller cities." }, { "end_time": "58:34", "start_time": "58:30", "text": "I'm asking you this because you're also a software developer yourself." }, { "end_time": "58:36", "start_time": "58:34", "text": "Like you've actually coded in your life." }, { "end_time": "58:42", "start_time": "58:36", "text": "How good is the quality of coders in San Francisco versus the rest of the world?" }, { "end_time": "58:44", "start_time": "58:42", "text": "Like are these significantly better?" }, { "end_time": "58:45", "start_time": "58:44", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "58:50", "start_time": "58:45", "text": "I think, I'm pretty sure Belgium is even better." }, { "end_time": "58:52", "start_time": "58:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "58:53", "start_time": "58:52", "text": "Or at least it's comparable." }, { "end_time": "58:55", "start_time": "58:54", "text": "India?" }, { "end_time": "58:56", "start_time": "58:55", "text": "A bit lower." }, { "end_time": "58:57", "start_time": "58:56", "text": "A bit lower?" }, { "end_time": "58:57", "start_time": "58:57", "text": "The average." }, { "end_time": "58:59", "start_time": "58:57", "text": "You could get very good guys in India." }, { "end_time": "59:02", "start_time": "59:00", "text": "They are very good engineers, developers." }, { "end_time": "59:06", "start_time": "59:03", "text": "But if you take average versus average, India is a bit lower." }, { "end_time": "59:07", "start_time": "59:06", "text": "Average versus average?" }, { "end_time": "59:09", "start_time": "59:07", "text": "India is a bit lower than Belgium." }, { "end_time": "59:11", "start_time": "59:09", "text": "But you've seen a few stars in India?" }, { "end_time": "59:20", "start_time": "59:12", "text": "But, the good thing is when you are in Gujarat that you can pick the top 1% or the 0.1% and these guys are very good." }, { "end_time": "59:23", "start_time": "59:20", "text": "These guys are comparable to San Francisco coders?" }, { "end_time": "59:24", "start_time": "59:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "59:28", "start_time": "59:25", "text": "So we don't do research and development in San Francisco." }, { "end_time": "59:29", "start_time": "59:28", "text": "So we don't do development." }, { "end_time": "59:31", "start_time": "59:29", "text": "We only do development for customer service." }, { "end_time": "59:34", "start_time": "59:31", "text": "So the only 2 research and development center we have is Belgium and India." }, { "end_time": "59:35", "start_time": "59:35", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "59:40", "start_time": "59:35", "text": "Your best Indian coders, how do they compare to your best Belgian coders?" }, { "end_time": "59:41", "start_time": "59:40", "text": "A bit lower." }, { "end_time": "59:42", "start_time": "59:41", "text": "A bit lower?" }, { "end_time": "59:42", "start_time": "59:42", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "59:44", "start_time": "59:42", "text": "Like the Belgian guys like a little bit more?" }, { "end_time": "59:44", "start_time": "59:44", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "59:46", "start_time": "59:44", "text": "Why do you think that is?" }, { "end_time": "59:47", "start_time": "59:46", "text": "I think it's all about education." }, { "end_time": "59:49", "start_time": "59:48", "text": "The quality of the universities." }, { "end_time": "59:51", "start_time": "59:50", "text": "Do you see a changing in India?" }, { "end_time": "59:55", "start_time": "59:53", "text": "Yes, for sure." }, { "end_time": "59:59", "start_time": "59:55", "text": "What surprised me is that the school for my kids, but it's 10 to 12 years." }, { "end_time": "1:00:01", "start_time": "59:59", "text": "As I said, better than what we get in Belgium." }, { "end_time": "1:00:05", "start_time": "1:00:01", "text": "So at least there it is, there are some schools that are much better." }, { "end_time": "1:00:06", "start_time": "1:00:05", "text": "So it's improving a lot." }, { "end_time": "1:00:07", "start_time": "1:00:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:00:10", "start_time": "1:00:07", "text": "Like I have some cousins who live in Delhi that are a lot younger than me." }, { "end_time": "1:00:13", "start_time": "1:00:10", "text": "They're probably 16 years old now, 17 years old now." }, { "end_time": "1:00:16", "start_time": "1:00:13", "text": "I remember when they were in the 5th and 6th grade, they were a good school." }, { "end_time": "1:00:19", "start_time": "1:00:16", "text": "So they were learning product design in the 5th grade." }, { "end_time": "1:00:23", "start_time": "1:00:20", "text": "I learned product design when I was 25 years old myself from YouTube." }, { "end_time": "1:00:25", "start_time": "1:00:24", "text": "I didn't have it as a subject." }, { "end_time": "1:00:29", "start_time": "1:00:25", "text": "And when you talk to them, the way smarter than, like, what we were at that age." }, { "end_time": "1:00:30", "start_time": "1:00:29", "text": "That's good." }, { "end_time": "1:00:30", "start_time": "1:00:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:00:34", "start_time": "1:00:30", "text": "I think it's the new generation, will bring a lot to the Indian market." }, { "end_time": "1:00:35", "start_time": "1:00:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:00:39", "start_time": "1:00:35", "text": "But you know, this is like the top 1% in terms of income in India." }, { "end_time": "1:00:41", "start_time": "1:00:39", "text": "Yeah, but these are the ones that matter." }, { "end_time": "1:00:43", "start_time": "1:00:41", "text": "The top 1% will drive everything to the top." }, { "end_time": "1:00:44", "start_time": "1:00:43", "text": "Yeah, you think so?" }, { "end_time": "1:00:45", "start_time": "1:00:44", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:00:57", "start_time": "1:00:45", "text": "The best way on poor country, the best way for poor countries, inequality is very good to make poor countries goes out of being poor, because the top is driving the bottom to the top." }, { "end_time": "1:00:59", "start_time": "1:00:58", "text": "So, yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:01:05", "start_time": "1:01:00", "text": "So the guys at the top actually need to then stay back in India and then lift the rest of the country." }, { "end_time": "1:01:11", "start_time": "1:01:05", "text": "You need entrepreneur, you need successful companies in order to generate business and work for everyone." }, { "end_time": "1:01:23", "start_time": "1:01:11", "text": "We've had a lot of political content on the show lately and the political commentators said that the next time you have entrepreneurs on the show, ask them about the ease of doing business in India." }, { "end_time": "1:01:26", "start_time": "1:01:24", "text": "Do you find it easy to do business in India?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:27", "start_time": "1:01:26", "text": "It's very easy." }, { "end_time": "1:01:28", "start_time": "1:01:28", "text": "Very easy." }, { "end_time": "1:01:31", "start_time": "1:01:28", "text": "It's the market is the country is very open." }, { "end_time": "1:01:37", "start_time": "1:01:32", "text": "I brought this up because the political commentator said that that's the representation of the government then." }, { "end_time": "1:01:42", "start_time": "1:01:37", "text": "And Indians usually pick a side and you say the promo, the anti Modi, you're a complete neutral." }, { "end_time": "1:01:43", "start_time": "1:01:42", "text": "Like you're from Belgium." }, { "end_time": "1:01:44", "start_time": "1:01:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:01:46", "start_time": "1:01:44", "text": "And you still find it easy to do business in our country?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:48", "start_time": "1:01:46", "text": "It's easier than in the US." }, { "end_time": "1:01:51", "start_time": "1:01:49", "text": "Americans are very, very picky." }, { "end_time": "1:01:55", "start_time": "1:01:51", "text": "If your product is not perfect, beautiful, pixel perfect, Americans won't buy it." }, { "end_time": "1:02:00", "start_time": "1:01:55", "text": "I mean, even if your product is not perfect, they will make a way figure a way to use it." }, { "end_time": "1:02:00", "start_time": "1:02:00", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:02:07", "start_time": "1:02:00", "text": "And ease of doing business means as a business owner, you know, all the all the back end stuff." }, { "end_time": "1:02:09", "start_time": "1:02:08", "text": "I think it's easy." }, { "end_time": "1:02:14", "start_time": "1:02:09", "text": "You didn't find any You have to adapt yourself to to the people, but I don't think it's too difficult." }, { "end_time": "1:02:17", "start_time": "1:02:14", "text": "Has there been a country where you found it very difficult as a business model?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:17", "start_time": "1:02:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:02:18", "start_time": "1:02:17", "text": "In China, we failed." }, { "end_time": "1:02:18", "start_time": "1:02:18", "text": "I tried." }, { "end_time": "1:02:20", "start_time": "1:02:18", "text": "I invested $1,000,000 in China." }, { "end_time": "1:02:21", "start_time": "1:02:20", "text": "We created a joint venture with a lot of money." }, { "end_time": "1:02:22", "start_time": "1:02:21", "text": "We failed." }, { "end_time": "1:02:23", "start_time": "1:02:22", "text": "Completely failed." }, { "end_time": "1:02:24", "start_time": "1:02:23", "text": "Here it's crazy." }, { "end_time": "1:02:26", "start_time": "1:02:25", "text": "When was this China phase?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:31", "start_time": "1:02:28", "text": "We tried this in China a few years ago, like 7 years ago." }, { "end_time": "1:02:31", "start_time": "1:02:31", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:02:35", "start_time": "1:02:31", "text": "I need to expand that thought also, but we'll first finish this." }, { "end_time": "1:02:38", "start_time": "1:02:35", "text": "Do you notice the Modi government?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:41", "start_time": "1:02:38", "text": "Like, do you follow what they are doing in the country?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:42", "start_time": "1:02:41", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:02:55", "start_time": "1:02:42", "text": "You know, from a geopolitical perspective in China, at least the narrative we get in India is that it's a very dictatorship oriented culture and that government wants to control everything that Chinese citizens see the way Chinese citizens think." }, { "end_time": "1:02:58", "start_time": "1:02:56", "text": "And when I meet Chinese people, it's a little mixed." }, { "end_time": "1:03:02", "start_time": "1:02:58", "text": "Some of them who have lived abroad are very Indian in some ways." }, { "end_time": "1:03:03", "start_time": "1:03:02", "text": "They're very friendly." }, { "end_time": "1:03:05", "start_time": "1:03:03", "text": "You know, they, they like India, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "1:03:12", "start_time": "1:03:06", "text": "Sometimes abroad, when I meet some Chinese people, I feel like they're a little bit in their own zone." }, { "end_time": "1:03:13", "start_time": "1:03:12", "text": "They're a little bit away." }, { "end_time": "1:03:14", "start_time": "1:03:13", "text": "They don't want to connect." }, { "end_time": "1:03:16", "start_time": "1:03:15", "text": "Not with Indians, just with anyone." }, { "end_time": "1:03:18", "start_time": "1:03:16", "text": "They're a little bit in their own world." }, { "end_time": "1:03:19", "start_time": "1:03:18", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "1:03:22", "start_time": "1:03:19", "text": "I don't have experience because I only went a few days in China." }, { "end_time": "1:03:25", "start_time": "1:03:23", "text": "So I don't have that experience, that much experience." }, { "end_time": "1:03:31", "start_time": "1:03:26", "text": "We have a company in Hong Kong, but Hong Kong is so much different than China that it's difficult to For now." }, { "end_time": "1:03:32", "start_time": "1:03:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:03:34", "start_time": "1:03:32", "text": "It's probably going to become a part." }, { "end_time": "1:03:34", "start_time": "1:03:34", "text": "We'll see." }, { "end_time": "1:03:37", "start_time": "1:03:35", "text": "But the company is still there in Hong Kong?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:38", "start_time": "1:03:37", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:03:39", "start_time": "1:03:38", "text": "We have 2 50 people there." }, { "end_time": "1:03:41", "start_time": "1:03:39", "text": "Do you visit Hong Kong?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:42", "start_time": "1:03:41", "text": "I went a few days." }, { "end_time": "1:03:42", "start_time": "1:03:42", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:03:44", "start_time": "1:03:43", "text": "You like Hong Kong?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:46", "start_time": "1:03:45", "text": "Mixed feeling." }, { "end_time": "1:03:46", "start_time": "1:03:46", "text": "What?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:52", "start_time": "1:03:49", "text": "It's different mindset, it's very expat guys." }, { "end_time": "1:03:56", "start_time": "1:03:53", "text": "It's a lot of about money, I'm not at all about money." }, { "end_time": "1:04:02", "start_time": "1:03:57", "text": "In the discussions, who who wants what, and so it's not my style." }, { "end_time": "1:04:03", "start_time": "1:04:02", "text": "You mean people show off?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:04", "start_time": "1:04:03", "text": "People show off." }, { "end_time": "1:04:07", "start_time": "1:04:05", "text": "Your status is your is your salary." }, { "end_time": "1:04:12", "start_time": "1:04:08", "text": "That kind of things which some people like, but I it's not my style." }, { "end_time": "1:04:12", "start_time": "1:04:12", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:04:15", "start_time": "1:04:13", "text": "But you visited China as well?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:15", "start_time": "1:04:15", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:04:17", "start_time": "1:04:15", "text": "You enjoyed it like being in the country?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:18", "start_time": "1:04:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:04:20", "start_time": "1:04:18", "text": "It's it's always good to visit the country." }, { "end_time": "1:04:21", "start_time": "1:04:20", "text": "What did you like about China?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:29", "start_time": "1:04:25", "text": "I don't think I could say I visited because I went a few days it was only to work with the company." }, { "end_time": "1:04:32", "start_time": "1:04:30", "text": "It's only the professional experience you got?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:32", "start_time": "1:04:32", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:04:35", "start_time": "1:04:32", "text": "But they are super good hosts." }, { "end_time": "1:04:39", "start_time": "1:04:35", "text": "I mean they make you feel like and China is a little bit like India." }, { "end_time": "1:04:44", "start_time": "1:04:39", "text": "They, for instance, they don't respect contract, but they respect the relationship you have." }, { "end_time": "1:04:53", "start_time": "1:04:44", "text": "So the first thing they do is not to write a contract like we Europeans do, but it's to build a strong relationship between the supplier and the customer." }, { "end_time": "1:04:57", "start_time": "1:04:53", "text": "And usually they succeed because of the relationship between people rather than contract." }, { "end_time": "1:05:04", "start_time": "1:04:58", "text": "And so I've noticed that they were very good at hosting us, welcoming us working together for that purpose." }, { "end_time": "1:05:05", "start_time": "1:05:04", "text": "They took you out for a drink?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:06", "start_time": "1:05:06", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:05:07", "start_time": "1:05:06", "text": "A lot." }, { "end_time": "1:05:10", "start_time": "1:05:09", "text": "You have a story?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:19", "start_time": "1:05:12", "text": "I'm a very good drinker so they tried to beat me but it was the other way around you know." }, { "end_time": "1:05:20", "start_time": "1:05:19", "text": "The gents are very good in beers." }, { "end_time": "1:05:23", "start_time": "1:05:20", "text": "But now I don't drink anymore so How did they get when they were drunk?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:26", "start_time": "1:05:25", "text": "Like everyone else." }, { "end_time": "1:05:26", "start_time": "1:05:26", "text": "Fun." }, { "end_time": "1:05:27", "start_time": "1:05:26", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:05:27", "start_time": "1:05:27", "text": "Jokes." }, { "end_time": "1:05:28", "start_time": "1:05:27", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:05:30", "start_time": "1:05:28", "text": "But how did you communicate with them?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:34", "start_time": "1:05:30", "text": "The way the people I was working were with, were talking were speaking English." }, { "end_time": "1:05:36", "start_time": "1:05:35", "text": "What did they say to you?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:38", "start_time": "1:05:36", "text": "Like, No." }, { "end_time": "1:05:39", "start_time": "1:05:38", "text": "Nothing special." }, { "end_time": "1:05:42", "start_time": "1:05:40", "text": "Does work conversation come up when you're drunk?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:43", "start_time": "1:05:43", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:05:44", "start_time": "1:05:43", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:05:46", "start_time": "1:05:44", "text": "Like, you'll talk about the contract even over a drink?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:47", "start_time": "1:05:46", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:05:50", "start_time": "1:05:47", "text": "And y'all can be very But maybe it's my fault because I always speak about work." }, { "end_time": "1:05:51", "start_time": "1:05:51", "text": "So maybe it's me." }, { "end_time": "1:05:54", "start_time": "1:05:51", "text": "I don't know if it's the last demo me, but, yes." }, { "end_time": "1:05:57", "start_time": "1:05:55", "text": "You speak about work even when you're drunk?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:59", "start_time": "1:05:57", "text": "I think about I am not drunk anymore." }, { "end_time": "1:06:03", "start_time": "1:05:59", "text": "I don't drink since a few years because I have, liver disease." }, { "end_time": "1:06:05", "start_time": "1:06:03", "text": "I can if I drink if I drink, I can die." }, { "end_time": "1:06:07", "start_time": "1:06:06", "text": "You got fatty liver?" }, { "end_time": "1:06:08", "start_time": "1:06:07", "text": "I have no even more cirrhosis." }, { "end_time": "1:06:10", "start_time": "1:06:09", "text": "You have cirrhosis?" }, { "end_time": "1:06:10", "start_time": "1:06:10", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:06:11", "start_time": "1:06:10", "text": "Because I drank too much." }, { "end_time": "1:06:15", "start_time": "1:06:12", "text": "And so I cannot drink anymore since a few years, which is okay." }, { "end_time": "1:06:16", "start_time": "1:06:15", "text": "I like I like this." }, { "end_time": "1:06:18", "start_time": "1:06:18", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:06:21", "start_time": "1:06:19", "text": "But you drank a lot when you were younger?" }, { "end_time": "1:06:21", "start_time": "1:06:21", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:06:22", "start_time": "1:06:21", "text": "That's why I have cirrhosis." }, { "end_time": "1:06:24", "start_time": "1:06:22", "text": "Why did you drink when you were younger?" }, { "end_time": "1:06:27", "start_time": "1:06:24", "text": "In Belgium, it's true it's part of the culture." }, { "end_time": "1:06:28", "start_time": "1:06:27", "text": "Students drink a lot." }, { "end_time": "1:06:30", "start_time": "1:06:29", "text": "A lot of beers." }, { "end_time": "1:06:31", "start_time": "1:06:30", "text": "How much did you drink?" }, { "end_time": "1:06:32", "start_time": "1:06:32", "text": "Too much." }, { "end_time": "1:06:35", "start_time": "1:06:33", "text": "Like, say if it was a Saturday night." }, { "end_time": "1:06:36", "start_time": "1:06:35", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "1:06:37", "start_time": "1:06:36", "text": "It was during the week." }, { "end_time": "1:06:38", "start_time": "1:06:37", "text": "During the week?" }, { "end_time": "1:06:39", "start_time": "1:06:38", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:06:42", "start_time": "1:06:39", "text": "So I I was it was a student bar, which is owned by the student." }, { "end_time": "1:06:44", "start_time": "1:06:42", "text": "And they open every week." }, { "end_time": "1:06:46", "start_time": "1:06:44", "text": "And during the weekend, you come back to your parents so you don't drink." }, { "end_time": "1:06:48", "start_time": "1:06:46", "text": "But during the week, you're doing the whole week." }, { "end_time": "1:06:49", "start_time": "1:06:48", "text": "Every day?" }, { "end_time": "1:06:50", "start_time": "1:06:49", "text": "Every day." }, { "end_time": "1:06:51", "start_time": "1:06:50", "text": "How much every day?" }, { "end_time": "1:06:54", "start_time": "1:06:53", "text": "30, 40 beers." }, { "end_time": "1:06:56", "start_time": "1:06:56", "text": "Way too much." }, { "end_time": "1:06:58", "start_time": "1:06:56", "text": "To the point where you get to see roses." }, { "end_time": "1:07:02", "start_time": "1:06:59", "text": "Oh man, how does cirrhosis feel?" }, { "end_time": "1:07:03", "start_time": "1:07:02", "text": "It doesn't feel anything." }, { "end_time": "1:07:12", "start_time": "1:07:03", "text": "So the liver is the only organ in the body that is where it can regenerate itself except when you get to the level of cirrhosis." }, { "end_time": "1:07:15", "start_time": "1:07:14", "text": "And also it's insensitive." }, { "end_time": "1:07:17", "start_time": "1:07:16", "text": "So you don't feel anything." }, { "end_time": "1:07:20", "start_time": "1:07:17", "text": "If it has issue in the liver, you will never feel anything." }, { "end_time": "1:07:22", "start_time": "1:07:20", "text": "If you discover it, it's by luck." }, { "end_time": "1:07:24", "start_time": "1:07:22", "text": "And I was very fortunate to had other issues." }, { "end_time": "1:07:26", "start_time": "1:07:24", "text": "They made some scans." }, { "end_time": "1:07:29", "start_time": "1:07:26", "text": "They discovered that, earlier in the process of the series." }, { "end_time": "1:07:34", "start_time": "1:07:29", "text": "So I can live with that without issue for a long time, but I cannot doing that at all." }, { "end_time": "1:07:36", "start_time": "1:07:34", "text": "How did you feel when you found out?" }, { "end_time": "1:07:37", "start_time": "1:07:36", "text": "I thought I would die." }, { "end_time": "1:07:46", "start_time": "1:07:38", "text": "So because the process after its months of examination and they told me exactly, So when you look at series in the web, you are like, it's horrible." }, { "end_time": "1:07:48", "start_time": "1:07:46", "text": "Like you have 10 years to live, all that kind of things." }, { "end_time": "1:07:52", "start_time": "1:07:48", "text": "But, they explained me at the end that I was at the very beginning." }, { "end_time": "1:07:57", "start_time": "1:07:52", "text": "So I will just live like that my whole life without issue, but I cannot transgress." }, { "end_time": "1:08:02", "start_time": "1:07:58", "text": "Other than China, which place have you found challenging to expand into?" }, { "end_time": "1:08:10", "start_time": "1:08:05", "text": "We I don't have a good answer because we pretty much exceeded every country we opened." }, { "end_time": "1:08:15", "start_time": "1:08:11", "text": "The only time where we failed, it was not about the country, it was about the person." }, { "end_time": "1:08:18", "start_time": "1:08:16", "text": "Because we picked the wrong manager." }, { "end_time": "1:08:22", "start_time": "1:08:18", "text": "So one thing I do have to do is that we never recruit managers." }, { "end_time": "1:08:25", "start_time": "1:08:23", "text": "Director or manager, we never recruit that." }, { "end_time": "1:08:29", "start_time": "1:08:25", "text": "The only way to become a team leader at To do is to be the best of a team." }, { "end_time": "1:08:31", "start_time": "1:08:29", "text": "And so we make them grow." }, { "end_time": "1:08:33", "start_time": "1:08:31", "text": "And one time it was to open in New York." }, { "end_time": "1:08:35", "start_time": "1:08:33", "text": "I recruited an external manager, director." }, { "end_time": "1:08:38", "start_time": "1:08:36", "text": "He has a good experience very on the resume." }, { "end_time": "1:08:38", "start_time": "1:08:38", "text": "He was perfect." }, { "end_time": "1:08:41", "start_time": "1:08:38", "text": "He built 2 startups that grew very big." }, { "end_time": "1:08:46", "start_time": "1:08:41", "text": "He is Belgian from New York, so he couldn't understand us, but he developed business in New York." }, { "end_time": "1:08:50", "start_time": "1:08:46", "text": "So he was, I'm sure the guy is great, but it didn't work for us." }, { "end_time": "1:08:55", "start_time": "1:08:50", "text": "It didn't work for us because it was not, he was good, but not, it was not what we are." }, { "end_time": "1:08:58", "start_time": "1:08:56", "text": "It was not aligned with the way we manage our business." }, { "end_time": "1:08:59", "start_time": "1:08:58", "text": "So it didn't work." }, { "end_time": "1:09:10", "start_time": "1:09:00", "text": "All the other times, I always created a new country with a non employee who have probably no experience of building companies and so on, but he was a good employee to do." }, { "end_time": "1:09:13", "start_time": "1:09:11", "text": "And so we sent him somewhere and it always worked." }, { "end_time": "1:09:15", "start_time": "1:09:13", "text": "Sometimes it takes 2 years, sometimes 4 years." }, { "end_time": "1:09:17", "start_time": "1:09:15", "text": "So the rhythm is a little bit different." }, { "end_time": "1:09:25", "start_time": "1:09:18", "text": "But if you pick someone who is good at the job, even though he's not a director, even though he never created a company, it's a good bet." }, { "end_time": "1:09:28", "start_time": "1:09:25", "text": "I want to go a little bit deeper into this international expansion thing." }, { "end_time": "1:09:29", "start_time": "1:09:28", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:09:35", "start_time": "1:09:29", "text": "So now say I'm an Indian company and you just need to answer this from your own life's learnings." }, { "end_time": "1:09:41", "start_time": "1:09:35", "text": "You need to talk from all those learnings, Which was the first company outside of Belgium you expanded to?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:44", "start_time": "1:09:43", "text": "After Belgium, India." }, { "end_time": "1:09:45", "start_time": "1:09:44", "text": "India was the first company?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:46", "start_time": "1:09:45", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:09:48", "start_time": "1:09:46", "text": "But not to sell India." }, { "end_time": "1:09:50", "start_time": "1:09:48", "text": "It's because I needed the reverse." }, { "end_time": "1:09:50", "start_time": "1:09:50", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:09:50", "start_time": "1:09:50", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:09:51", "start_time": "1:09:50", "text": "Let me reframe this question." }, { "end_time": "1:09:55", "start_time": "1:09:51", "text": "My point is when you're looking at a new region to expand into for your business." }, { "end_time": "1:09:56", "start_time": "1:09:55", "text": "For sales." }, { "end_time": "1:09:56", "start_time": "1:09:56", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:09:57", "start_time": "1:09:56", "text": "For sales." }, { "end_time": "1:09:58", "start_time": "1:09:57", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:10:00", "start_time": "1:09:58", "text": "You want to expand in that country." }, { "end_time": "1:10:08", "start_time": "1:10:00", "text": "Now I am sure at Odoo your management and you, you have a set of protocols that when you go to that country, you'll have to follow these same cultural rules." }, { "end_time": "1:10:11", "start_time": "1:10:08", "text": "But then something will change in the way you operate there." }, { "end_time": "1:10:12", "start_time": "1:10:11", "text": "Something might change." }, { "end_time": "1:10:12", "start_time": "1:10:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:10:14", "start_time": "1:10:12", "text": "So I want to know about that something." }, { "end_time": "1:10:15", "start_time": "1:10:14", "text": "What is the constant stuff?" }, { "end_time": "1:10:16", "start_time": "1:10:15", "text": "What is the variable stuff?" }, { "end_time": "1:10:19", "start_time": "1:10:16", "text": "So all the way we work is constant." }, { "end_time": "1:10:26", "start_time": "1:10:19", "text": "The way we deliver the service, we have a methodology to implement the customer, to train him, to import his data, same." }, { "end_time": "1:10:36", "start_time": "1:10:27", "text": "The way we sell, which is very product focused, we ask the customer what are their pain points and we create demonstration based on the plan, it's the same." }, { "end_time": "1:10:47", "start_time": "1:10:37", "text": "The only difference is local, is how you interact with people, how you party together, or you do your salary structure, that kind of things." }, { "end_time": "1:10:53", "start_time": "1:10:47", "text": "But the rest, a lot the majority of the what part of procedures to open a new country are the same for every country." }, { "end_time": "1:10:54", "start_time": "1:10:53", "text": "Marketing?" }, { "end_time": "1:10:57", "start_time": "1:10:55", "text": "Marketing is basically the same with some variants." }, { "end_time": "1:11:08", "start_time": "1:10:58", "text": "So, in our marketing, we have a strong, we do events a lot, Like we do 500 events, physical events, 500 per year." }, { "end_time": "1:11:10", "start_time": "1:11:08", "text": "So 2 per day more or less." }, { "end_time": "1:11:13", "start_time": "1:11:12", "text": "We do that in every country." }, { "end_time": "1:11:16", "start_time": "1:11:13", "text": "It works in many countries, not with the same level of success." }, { "end_time": "1:11:18", "start_time": "1:11:16", "text": "In India, Mexico, very successful." }, { "end_time": "1:11:21", "start_time": "1:11:19", "text": "US, we have low attendance, but high quality people." }, { "end_time": "1:11:23", "start_time": "1:11:21", "text": "So it's still the same approach." }, { "end_time": "1:11:28", "start_time": "1:11:24", "text": "Then you have online marketing, Google Ads and so on, same in every country." }, { "end_time": "1:11:32", "start_time": "1:11:29", "text": "We have education working because we are open source." }, { "end_time": "1:11:39", "start_time": "1:11:33", "text": "A lot of teachers and universities use our product to teach sales, CRM, accounting because it's free." }, { "end_time": "1:11:45", "start_time": "1:11:40", "text": "So we work a lot with schools and teachers and university that works in every country." }, { "end_time": "1:11:52", "start_time": "1:11:45", "text": "So 90% of the marketing is the same, but there are some slight differences." }, { "end_time": "1:12:01", "start_time": "1:11:52", "text": "Like I explained, in order to develop the events, we do LinkedIn ads, InMail ads, Facebook ads, mass mailing and so on, worked well." }, { "end_time": "1:12:08", "start_time": "1:12:01", "text": "For India, I had to introduce WhatsApp in order to remind attendees that the event is tomorrow in one hour." }, { "end_time": "1:12:10", "start_time": "1:12:08", "text": "So there are slight difference, but it's 10% difference." }, { "end_time": "1:12:11", "start_time": "1:12:11", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:12:13", "start_time": "1:12:11", "text": "Your structure effectively remains the same." }, { "end_time": "1:12:14", "start_time": "1:12:13", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:12:16", "start_time": "1:12:14", "text": "Like your protocols, your strategy." }, { "end_time": "1:12:19", "start_time": "1:12:16", "text": "And even for some of my, like online marketing, it's even globalized." }, { "end_time": "1:12:20", "start_time": "1:12:19", "text": "It's not per country." }, { "end_time": "1:12:24", "start_time": "1:12:20", "text": "It's 1 person that does all the country for all the ads." }, { "end_time": "1:12:25", "start_time": "1:12:24", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:12:30", "start_time": "1:12:26", "text": "What is Africa like to work in and to expand into?" }, { "end_time": "1:12:32", "start_time": "1:12:31", "text": "That is difficult." }, { "end_time": "1:12:36", "start_time": "1:12:33", "text": "In India, I feel like I could build an Indian company myself." }, { "end_time": "1:12:37", "start_time": "1:12:37", "text": "It's very easy." }, { "end_time": "1:12:39", "start_time": "1:12:37", "text": "In Africa, I wouldn't be able to." }, { "end_time": "1:12:41", "start_time": "1:12:39", "text": "Because you have to be African." }, { "end_time": "1:12:44", "start_time": "1:12:41", "text": "You have to be, first, there is not one Africa." }, { "end_time": "1:12:44", "start_time": "1:12:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:12:50", "start_time": "1:12:44", "text": "Between the Maghreb and the South, and it's so much different that, it's different." }, { "end_time": "1:12:54", "start_time": "1:12:50", "text": "Could you take a region like West Africa, like Nigeria, Cameroon, that region?" }, { "end_time": "1:12:55", "start_time": "1:12:54", "text": "We opened in Kenya." }, { "end_time": "1:12:56", "start_time": "1:12:55", "text": "So we have an office in Kenya." }, { "end_time": "1:12:57", "start_time": "1:12:56", "text": "East." }, { "end_time": "1:12:58", "start_time": "1:12:58", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:13:01", "start_time": "1:13:00", "text": "And then you have to be African." }, { "end_time": "1:13:06", "start_time": "1:13:01", "text": "The way they negotiate, the way they decide, it's so much different from what we used to do." }, { "end_time": "1:13:07", "start_time": "1:13:07", "text": "It's slower." }, { "end_time": "1:13:10", "start_time": "1:13:09", "text": "They have difficulties to decide, they don't decide." }, { "end_time": "1:13:13", "start_time": "1:13:10", "text": "They do cold and cold and cold, they don't decide." }, { "end_time": "1:13:19", "start_time": "1:13:15", "text": "That's something where if you don't you are not African, it's difficult to do." }, { "end_time": "1:13:22", "start_time": "1:13:20", "text": "It's culturally a difficult place to enter?" }, { "end_time": "1:13:23", "start_time": "1:13:23", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:13:24", "start_time": "1:13:23", "text": "For foreigners." }, { "end_time": "1:13:25", "start_time": "1:13:25", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:13:26", "start_time": "1:13:25", "text": "For foreigners." }, { "end_time": "1:13:26", "start_time": "1:13:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:13:29", "start_time": "1:13:26", "text": "But then it's easy to enter if you look." }, { "end_time": "1:13:34", "start_time": "1:13:29", "text": "So we opened the Kenyan office with an African guy who was in Belgium since a few years." }, { "end_time": "1:13:38", "start_time": "1:13:34", "text": "So he came from our company, Then he went to an end." }, { "end_time": "1:13:39", "start_time": "1:13:38", "text": "It's working very well." }, { "end_time": "1:13:41", "start_time": "1:13:39", "text": "I would assume that's true for any country." }, { "end_time": "1:13:43", "start_time": "1:13:41", "text": "You know, you get a local guy to help you." }, { "end_time": "1:13:45", "start_time": "1:13:43", "text": "That's the most important." }, { "end_time": "1:13:47", "start_time": "1:13:45", "text": "That's, of course, that helps." }, { "end_time": "1:13:49", "start_time": "1:13:47", "text": "But in India, I have the feeling that you understand Indians." }, { "end_time": "1:13:52", "start_time": "1:13:50", "text": "In Africa, I have the feeling that I don't." }, { "end_time": "1:13:55", "start_time": "1:13:54", "text": "It is so different." }, { "end_time": "1:13:58", "start_time": "1:13:55", "text": "What have you understood about, say, Kenyans, for example?" }, { "end_time": "1:14:03", "start_time": "1:13:59", "text": "I do not have a lot of experience because I do not travel that much." }, { "end_time": "1:14:08", "start_time": "1:14:03", "text": "I, Canadians is great." }, { "end_time": "1:14:19", "start_time": "1:14:08", "text": "It's less there is less corruption than in some other countries like Congo, for instance, which is extreme, which is good in a way, very good." }, { "end_time": "1:14:27", "start_time": "1:14:21", "text": "There are a lot of good guys and businessmen, but what I felt is that things are slower." }, { "end_time": "1:14:28", "start_time": "1:14:27", "text": "I never understand." }, { "end_time": "1:14:31", "start_time": "1:14:28", "text": "I always have the feeling that the customer will sign tomorrow and he don't." }, { "end_time": "1:14:32", "start_time": "1:14:31", "text": "He doesn't." }, { "end_time": "1:14:34", "start_time": "1:14:32", "text": "And then I think, okay, we'll sign in one month, he doesn't." }, { "end_time": "1:14:41", "start_time": "1:14:35", "text": "And I, and it's, I don't know if it's me who don't understand if it's the process that is that way, but, it's, for me, it's difficult to catch." }, { "end_time": "1:14:43", "start_time": "1:14:41", "text": "Why do you think it's slow?" }, { "end_time": "1:14:45", "start_time": "1:14:45", "text": "No idea." }, { "end_time": "1:14:46", "start_time": "1:14:45", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "1:14:48", "start_time": "1:14:46", "text": "I don't, don't have that much experience." }, { "end_time": "1:14:49", "start_time": "1:14:48", "text": "It's the way they are." }, { "end_time": "1:14:51", "start_time": "1:14:49", "text": "So some questions are not answered yet." }, { "end_time": "1:14:51", "start_time": "1:14:51", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:14:53", "start_time": "1:14:51", "text": "I don't have the questions or anything." }, { "end_time": "1:14:56", "start_time": "1:14:53", "text": "But are you actively looking at African markets as a place to expand?" }, { "end_time": "1:14:57", "start_time": "1:14:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:14:58", "start_time": "1:14:57", "text": "We are growing." }, { "end_time": "1:15:01", "start_time": "1:14:58", "text": "The good news is that it's just that it's not my area." }, { "end_time": "1:15:03", "start_time": "1:15:01", "text": "I have other people who do it." }, { "end_time": "1:15:08", "start_time": "1:15:03", "text": "And I because I'm not involved in sales in Africa, I let them do and I don't even watch out what they do." }, { "end_time": "1:15:11", "start_time": "1:15:08", "text": "Could you name some countries that the team is looking into?" }, { "end_time": "1:15:12", "start_time": "1:15:12", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:15:13", "start_time": "1:15:12", "text": "That's a funny thing." }, { "end_time": "1:15:25", "start_time": "1:15:13", "text": "If you ask me what are the future countries where we will open for Odoo, because we last year, we opened 5 countries, I think, I cannot answer because I am not targeting country." }, { "end_time": "1:15:26", "start_time": "1:15:25", "text": "I am searching for people." }, { "end_time": "1:15:30", "start_time": "1:15:27", "text": "And the other way, the only way for me to open a country is to find the right guy." }, { "end_time": "1:15:32", "start_time": "1:15:30", "text": "And if I found it, you already created something." }, { "end_time": "1:15:37", "start_time": "1:15:33", "text": "So because we work that way, it's, I would say in another way." }, { "end_time": "1:15:40", "start_time": "1:15:37", "text": "The, our international expansion is not about strategy." }, { "end_time": "1:15:41", "start_time": "1:15:40", "text": "It's about opportunism." }, { "end_time": "1:15:46", "start_time": "1:15:41", "text": "We have to find the opportunity to, of someone and then we'll create a company for him." }, { "end_time": "1:15:47", "start_time": "1:15:47", "text": "Fair." }, { "end_time": "1:15:51", "start_time": "1:15:49", "text": "You've been almost bankrupt at some points in your life?" }, { "end_time": "1:15:51", "start_time": "1:15:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:15:52", "start_time": "1:15:51", "text": "A few years." }, { "end_time": "1:15:52", "start_time": "1:15:52", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:15:53", "start_time": "1:15:52", "text": "How did that feel?" }, { "end_time": "1:15:58", "start_time": "1:15:55", "text": "On the moment you just work and work and work 16 hours a week." }, { "end_time": "1:16:05", "start_time": "1:15:58", "text": "It's stress and, but I do believe that if Odoo is so good today it's because of that period." }, { "end_time": "1:16:09", "start_time": "1:16:06", "text": "It forces you to be efficient, to not spend money stupidly." }, { "end_time": "1:16:14", "start_time": "1:16:10", "text": "It forces you to be very, very good in order to survive." }, { "end_time": "1:16:20", "start_time": "1:16:15", "text": "That it creates at the end a company that is much better than result." }, { "end_time": "1:16:24", "start_time": "1:16:20", "text": "As opposed to a VC backed company, we get a lot of money." }, { "end_time": "1:16:26", "start_time": "1:16:25", "text": "They will burn." }, { "end_time": "1:16:30", "start_time": "1:16:26", "text": "They didn't learn to make it in an efficient way." }, { "end_time": "1:16:36", "start_time": "1:16:30", "text": "That's what so many Indian startups are learning that try having a bootstrap phase for as long as possible." }, { "end_time": "1:16:38", "start_time": "1:16:36", "text": "It sets that bootstrapping culture in the company." }, { "end_time": "1:16:41", "start_time": "1:16:38", "text": "And that makes the company super efficient." }, { "end_time": "1:16:51", "start_time": "1:16:41", "text": "And you know what, when so I've been close to bankruptcy for a few years to the point of where I paid salaries sometimes a few days late because I just didn't have the money." }, { "end_time": "1:17:02", "start_time": "1:16:53", "text": "When things get better, when I started to have a lot of cash, it was difficult for me at that time because I had to find the motivation elsewhere." }, { "end_time": "1:17:08", "start_time": "1:17:03", "text": "Before that, nobody was thinking about what is the purpose, what should we do?" }, { "end_time": "1:17:12", "start_time": "1:17:08", "text": "We were just all trying to survive, survive, survive, serve client, get money, serve client." }, { "end_time": "1:17:15", "start_time": "1:17:12", "text": "We were so much focused on surviving that we are not thinking." }, { "end_time": "1:17:20", "start_time": "1:17:15", "text": "And then from 1 year to another, we had to do things started to be super good." }, { "end_time": "1:17:23", "start_time": "1:17:20", "text": "We get a lot of cash, millions." }, { "end_time": "1:17:29", "start_time": "1:17:24", "text": "And then at that point we were like, okay, now we have to find a new source of motivation." }, { "end_time": "1:17:35", "start_time": "1:17:29", "text": "And it was a difficult moment for us to re motivate the team because now we had to work for something different than surviving." }, { "end_time": "1:17:37", "start_time": "1:17:36", "text": "How did you motivate?" }, { "end_time": "1:17:44", "start_time": "1:17:38", "text": "Then it's the purpose of the product, serving our clients, making great products." }, { "end_time": "1:17:46", "start_time": "1:17:44", "text": "But it was a switch of mindset that we had to operate." }, { "end_time": "1:17:49", "start_time": "1:17:46", "text": "This was that phase where you switched into product?" }, { "end_time": "1:17:50", "start_time": "1:17:49", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:17:56", "start_time": "1:17:51", "text": "This phase took 1 or 2 years in order to be very cash flow positive, but it's that phase, yes." }, { "end_time": "1:17:58", "start_time": "1:17:56", "text": "From a service company to a product company." }, { "end_time": "1:18:02", "start_time": "1:18:00", "text": "Are you like a celebrity in Belgium?" }, { "end_time": "1:18:05", "start_time": "1:18:04", "text": "Not so much because I don't try to be." }, { "end_time": "1:18:09", "start_time": "1:18:05", "text": "I try to, but I think some people knows me." }, { "end_time": "1:18:14", "start_time": "1:18:10", "text": "Do you get fans coming up to you and saying that I respect what you've done?" }, { "end_time": "1:18:15", "start_time": "1:18:14", "text": "And Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:18:19", "start_time": "1:18:15", "text": "But that's that's every business man from a large company have that, I think." }, { "end_time": "1:18:21", "start_time": "1:18:19", "text": "How do you feel about that?" }, { "end_time": "1:18:22", "start_time": "1:18:21", "text": "It's always good." }, { "end_time": "1:18:23", "start_time": "1:18:22", "text": "I mean, what do you think?" }, { "end_time": "1:18:25", "start_time": "1:18:23", "text": "What people said that they like your show?" }, { "end_time": "1:18:26", "start_time": "1:18:25", "text": "It's always good." }, { "end_time": "1:18:35", "start_time": "1:18:27", "text": "I think with YouTube, the thing is you're putting so much of your personality and mind out there that when people are coming up to you, they really know things about you." }, { "end_time": "1:18:36", "start_time": "1:18:35", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:18:37", "start_time": "1:18:36", "text": "So it's a little different." }, { "end_time": "1:18:41", "start_time": "1:18:37", "text": "You feel gratitude, but some, I think I've reached a point in my life where I feel a little scared also when people go." }, { "end_time": "1:18:43", "start_time": "1:18:41", "text": "It's too much for me." }, { "end_time": "1:18:43", "start_time": "1:18:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:18:46", "start_time": "1:18:43", "text": "I never thought I'd ever say that, but it's become that." }, { "end_time": "1:18:46", "start_time": "1:18:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:18:50", "start_time": "1:18:46", "text": "I'm probably way less famous than you, even in Belgium." }, { "end_time": "1:18:53", "start_time": "1:18:50", "text": "So, I don't get to that level yet." }, { "end_time": "1:18:56", "start_time": "1:18:54", "text": "Do your kids know how big you are, like in business?" }, { "end_time": "1:18:57", "start_time": "1:18:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:19:00", "start_time": "1:18:57", "text": "But I think most people don't understand." }, { "end_time": "1:19:05", "start_time": "1:19:01", "text": "I mean, what is the value of the company today is €4,500,000,000." }, { "end_time": "1:19:08", "start_time": "1:19:06", "text": "What is 4,500,000,000 of euro?" }, { "end_time": "1:19:09", "start_time": "1:19:08", "text": "Nobody knows." }, { "end_time": "1:19:11", "start_time": "1:19:10", "text": "It's just numbers." }, { "end_time": "1:19:14", "start_time": "1:19:12", "text": "It seems to be a lot, but what does it mean?" }, { "end_time": "1:19:17", "start_time": "1:19:14", "text": "It's difficult to relate to that kind of numbers." }, { "end_time": "1:19:20", "start_time": "1:19:17", "text": "The thought of selling your business has never crossed your head." }, { "end_time": "1:19:21", "start_time": "1:19:20", "text": "No, no." }, { "end_time": "1:19:26", "start_time": "1:19:21", "text": "I, for sure, I will never sell and I will never go public neither." }, { "end_time": "1:19:28", "start_time": "1:19:26", "text": "I don't want to be a public company." }, { "end_time": "1:19:29", "start_time": "1:19:28", "text": "Because you don't want that." }, { "end_time": "1:19:31", "start_time": "1:19:29", "text": "Do you like how you're working right now?" }, { "end_time": "1:19:35", "start_time": "1:19:31", "text": "The reason is that, public companies tend to refocus on the short term." }, { "end_time": "1:19:39", "start_time": "1:19:35", "text": "You know, you have to publish earning calls with the sales number." }, { "end_time": "1:19:42", "start_time": "1:19:39", "text": "And if the numbers are good, everyone is happy to buy the shares." }, { "end_time": "1:19:47", "start_time": "1:19:42", "text": "If numbers are bad, people are not happy, any employee are frustrated because they have shares and it's bad." }, { "end_time": "1:19:53", "start_time": "1:19:47", "text": "So public companies have a tendency to focus on the short term to sales quarter sales of the month or the quarter and so on." }, { "end_time": "1:19:54", "start_time": "1:19:53", "text": "I don't want that." }, { "end_time": "1:19:56", "start_time": "1:19:54", "text": "The success of Odoo is always to build for the long term." }, { "end_time": "1:20:00", "start_time": "1:19:56", "text": "And I don't want a single employee to look for the short term or the sales number of the quarter." }, { "end_time": "1:20:01", "start_time": "1:20:01", "text": "1." }, { "end_time": "1:20:04", "start_time": "1:20:01", "text": "The other thing is I'm so much focused on productivity and efficiency." }, { "end_time": "1:20:11", "start_time": "1:20:06", "text": "When you get public, you need extra layers of reporting, transparency, and things like that." }, { "end_time": "1:20:14", "start_time": "1:20:12", "text": "So second reason, I don't want that." }, { "end_time": "1:20:18", "start_time": "1:20:14", "text": "I want to be super efficient, decide right away instead of asking the board of directors." }, { "end_time": "1:20:22", "start_time": "1:20:19", "text": "And 3rd, I like open and transparent communication." }, { "end_time": "1:20:25", "start_time": "1:20:22", "text": "You know, I just said the company was €4,500,000,000 of €4." }, { "end_time": "1:20:34", "start_time": "1:20:26", "text": "If I was a public company, I could go to jail because I disclosed information not beef before the earning calls." }, { "end_time": "1:20:40", "start_time": "1:20:35", "text": "Nick, I think If I would have sent that to maybe not publicly, I believe, but to some employees, I could go to jail." }, { "end_time": "1:20:41", "start_time": "1:20:40", "text": "I don't want that." }, { "end_time": "1:20:46", "start_time": "1:20:41", "text": "I want to be able to say whatever I want to inform my employees and be transparent." }, { "end_time": "1:20:50", "start_time": "1:20:48", "text": "Why do you think founders choose to go public?" }, { "end_time": "1:20:53", "start_time": "1:20:51", "text": "I think a lot of them don't understand." }, { "end_time": "1:20:54", "start_time": "1:20:53", "text": "It's just a way to get cash." }, { "end_time": "1:21:00", "start_time": "1:20:56", "text": "But to understand the consequence of that, most of them don't catch it really." }, { "end_time": "1:21:02", "start_time": "1:21:01", "text": "I don't think it's bad." }, { "end_time": "1:21:04", "start_time": "1:21:02", "text": "I think as a source of cash, public is quite good." }, { "end_time": "1:21:07", "start_time": "1:21:05", "text": "It's efficient, but it comes with some drawbacks." }, { "end_time": "1:21:12", "start_time": "1:21:07", "text": "Like you have to have extra layers of reporting complexity." }, { "end_time": "1:21:17", "start_time": "1:21:12", "text": "You cannot disclose information and you it will refocus the mindset to the short term." }, { "end_time": "1:21:18", "start_time": "1:21:17", "text": "For some companies, it's good." }, { "end_time": "1:21:21", "start_time": "1:21:18", "text": "Some companies need to focus on the short term, but it's not us." }, { "end_time": "1:21:29", "start_time": "1:21:22", "text": "You know, I will go as far as saying and I might be totally wrong while saying this, but I think there's a bit of a glamour factor also." }, { "end_time": "1:21:30", "start_time": "1:21:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:21:31", "start_time": "1:21:30", "text": "About going public." }, { "end_time": "1:21:34", "start_time": "1:21:31", "text": "It's a way of being recognized, but it's very short term." }, { "end_time": "1:21:39", "start_time": "1:21:34", "text": "Like the month you get public, everyone praise you, you get a lot of press, and then it goes back to reality after." }, { "end_time": "1:21:40", "start_time": "1:21:39", "text": "Deal with the devil." }, { "end_time": "1:21:40", "start_time": "1:21:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:21:42", "start_time": "1:21:40", "text": "You'll get the fame articles will be published." }, { "end_time": "1:21:47", "start_time": "1:21:42", "text": "It's not the devil because it's not a big deal, but I'm extreme in everything I do." }, { "end_time": "1:21:50", "start_time": "1:21:47", "text": "For me, if I lose 1% of productivity, it's bad." }, { "end_time": "1:21:52", "start_time": "1:21:50", "text": "I wouldn't want that for a do." }, { "end_time": "1:21:56", "start_time": "1:21:54", "text": "But but it's not the devil." }, { "end_time": "1:22:00", "start_time": "1:21:56", "text": "It's What's the best career advice you ever got in your life from someone?" }, { "end_time": "1:22:02", "start_time": "1:22:01", "text": "Just do it." }, { "end_time": "1:22:10", "start_time": "1:22:03", "text": "Do and then That's true because a lot of people are thinking, waiting for the good idea, deciding how we should do it." }, { "end_time": "1:22:12", "start_time": "1:22:10", "text": "Sometimes it's just about move on." }, { "end_time": "1:22:14", "start_time": "1:22:13", "text": "Get the job done first." }, { "end_time": "1:22:15", "start_time": "1:22:14", "text": "Get the job." }, { "end_time": "1:22:18", "start_time": "1:22:15", "text": "And maybe it worked, maybe it won't work, but at least you move forward." }, { "end_time": "1:22:20", "start_time": "1:22:18", "text": "And what's the worst advice you have ever got?" }, { "end_time": "1:22:22", "start_time": "1:22:22", "text": "Advice?" }, { "end_time": "1:22:23", "start_time": "1:22:22", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "1:22:27", "start_time": "1:22:24", "text": "Open a no." }, { "end_time": "1:22:28", "start_time": "1:22:27", "text": "I didn't get bad advice." }, { "end_time": "1:22:29", "start_time": "1:22:28", "text": "I didn't follow advice." }, { "end_time": "1:22:31", "start_time": "1:22:29", "text": "I don't have mentors and everything." }, { "end_time": "1:22:37", "start_time": "1:22:31", "text": "I was working in the other office, which is a farm, in a farm quite alone, not meeting a lot of people." }, { "end_time": "1:22:38", "start_time": "1:22:37", "text": "So I didn't get a lot of feedback." }, { "end_time": "1:22:42", "start_time": "1:22:40", "text": "I'm gonna give you a compliment again." }, { "end_time": "1:22:43", "start_time": "1:22:42", "text": "Same compliment." }, { "end_time": "1:22:44", "start_time": "1:22:43", "text": "You're a crazy guy." }, { "end_time": "1:22:46", "start_time": "1:22:44", "text": "Like, I have not met anyone like you on the show." }, { "end_time": "1:22:47", "start_time": "1:22:46", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:22:49", "start_time": "1:22:47", "text": "I think a lot of people who bootstrap do that." }, { "end_time": "1:22:53", "start_time": "1:22:49", "text": "You start from where you are and your small things and No." }, { "end_time": "1:22:54", "start_time": "1:22:53", "text": "I don't just mean your professional side." }, { "end_time": "1:23:01", "start_time": "1:22:54", "text": "Even the guy you are, it's very different than like, you know, I've not seen this on the show, and I've spoken to, like, 600 people." }, { "end_time": "1:23:01", "start_time": "1:23:01", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:23:05", "start_time": "1:23:01", "text": "Like, I've not met someone who's done so much materially, but it's still so humble." }, { "end_time": "1:23:08", "start_time": "1:23:06", "text": "Like, I still feel you're like a code on the inside." }, { "end_time": "1:23:09", "start_time": "1:23:08", "text": "You know, you're staying." }, { "end_time": "1:23:10", "start_time": "1:23:09", "text": "That's what I love." }, { "end_time": "1:23:11", "start_time": "1:23:10", "text": "I am a codeer." }, { "end_time": "1:23:15", "start_time": "1:23:12", "text": "But then that affects a lot of how you look at life." }, { "end_time": "1:23:25", "start_time": "1:23:15", "text": "Like someone, not someone else, many other people in your position who would have accomplished what you've accomplished at this point, either would have chosen to sell it off and just relax or, you know, live a more Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:23:27", "start_time": "1:23:25", "text": "But will they be happy by doing that?" }, { "end_time": "1:23:29", "start_time": "1:23:27", "text": "I think different people have different life stories." }, { "end_time": "1:23:30", "start_time": "1:23:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:23:34", "start_time": "1:23:30", "text": "For me, there is nothing better that I can do than I do." }, { "end_time": "1:23:38", "start_time": "1:23:34", "text": "It's the best I can do is to continue, improving the software for companies." }, { "end_time": "1:23:42", "start_time": "1:23:38", "text": "It's I feel like I don't see what I can do better than that." }, { "end_time": "1:23:43", "start_time": "1:23:42", "text": "Are you society, I mean." }, { "end_time": "1:23:46", "start_time": "1:23:43", "text": "-Are you changing as a person as you age, not as a professional?" }, { "end_time": "1:23:47", "start_time": "1:23:46", "text": "As a human being, are you changing?" }, { "end_time": "1:23:49", "start_time": "1:23:47", "text": "-I have become better." }, { "end_time": "1:23:53", "start_time": "1:23:50", "text": "No, I think now I have become slower also because of the age." }, { "end_time": "1:23:59", "start_time": "1:23:55", "text": "But I think the vision and what I wanted to do has always been the same." }, { "end_time": "1:24:03", "start_time": "1:24:00", "text": "Not at the very beginning, but after a few years, it has been there." }, { "end_time": "1:24:07", "start_time": "1:24:04", "text": "How do you look at Silicon Valley and San Francisco generally?" }, { "end_time": "1:24:13", "start_time": "1:24:08", "text": "Is it is it always going to be the center of tech in the world or Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:24:14", "start_time": "1:24:13", "text": "They have a big advance." }, { "end_time": "1:24:18", "start_time": "1:24:15", "text": "For not for the reason we think." }, { "end_time": "1:24:19", "start_time": "1:24:18", "text": "The main reason is the cash." }, { "end_time": "1:24:29", "start_time": "1:24:19", "text": "They have so many VCs or old ex Google employees with plenty of millions to invest that basically any ID can live there." }, { "end_time": "1:24:33", "start_time": "1:24:29", "text": "And when when all the ID can live, some of them will be good and will make a good company." }, { "end_time": "1:24:34", "start_time": "1:24:33", "text": "Do you visit?" }, { "end_time": "1:24:36", "start_time": "1:24:35", "text": "I have an office in San Francisco." }, { "end_time": "1:24:37", "start_time": "1:24:36", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:24:42", "start_time": "1:24:37", "text": "And before our office was in, in Silicon Valley, and I lived 3 years there." }, { "end_time": "1:24:43", "start_time": "1:24:42", "text": "You lived 3 years?" }, { "end_time": "1:24:44", "start_time": "1:24:43", "text": "With the family." }, { "end_time": "1:24:45", "start_time": "1:24:44", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:24:47", "start_time": "1:24:45", "text": "Can you talk to me more right now?" }, { "end_time": "1:24:48", "start_time": "1:24:47", "text": "You okay to talk to me?" }, { "end_time": "1:24:49", "start_time": "1:24:48", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:24:50", "start_time": "1:24:49", "text": "Are you getting bored?" }, { "end_time": "1:24:50", "start_time": "1:24:50", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:24:51", "start_time": "1:24:50", "text": "That's right." }, { "end_time": "1:24:51", "start_time": "1:24:51", "text": "You're enjoying this?" }, { "end_time": "1:24:52", "start_time": "1:24:51", "text": "Do I feel bored?" }, { "end_time": "1:24:52", "start_time": "1:24:52", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:24:54", "start_time": "1:24:52", "text": "I I just I want to stretch the conversation more." }, { "end_time": "1:24:55", "start_time": "1:24:54", "text": "I wanna get to know more." }, { "end_time": "1:24:55", "start_time": "1:24:55", "text": "Alright." }, { "end_time": "1:24:56", "start_time": "1:24:55", "text": "Let's let's go." }, { "end_time": "1:24:59", "start_time": "1:24:57", "text": "You don't mind me asking all these questions." }, { "end_time": "1:24:59", "start_time": "1:24:59", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:25:00", "start_time": "1:24:59", "text": "Like, all this time waiting." }, { "end_time": "1:25:01", "start_time": "1:25:00", "text": "Go for it." }, { "end_time": "1:25:03", "start_time": "1:25:01", "text": "How are you feeling, by the way, in this?" }, { "end_time": "1:25:07", "start_time": "1:25:03", "text": "I I I I I I enjoy the the the it's good." }, { "end_time": "1:25:09", "start_time": "1:25:07", "text": "We have a good conversation, and it's fun." }, { "end_time": "1:25:11", "start_time": "1:25:09", "text": "Because you're getting to think?" }, { "end_time": "1:25:12", "start_time": "1:25:12", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:25:15", "start_time": "1:25:12", "text": "And for me, it's a different thing that was I used to do." }, { "end_time": "1:25:16", "start_time": "1:25:15", "text": "So it's good." }, { "end_time": "1:25:17", "start_time": "1:25:17", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:25:24", "start_time": "1:25:18", "text": "Usually people like yourself who come on the show, it's a thought exercise for them because the questions go like pretty intense." }, { "end_time": "1:25:29", "start_time": "1:25:24", "text": "So, especially entrepreneurs enjoyed being on the show because they get to think much more." }, { "end_time": "1:25:30", "start_time": "1:25:29", "text": "They get to reflect." }, { "end_time": "1:25:31", "start_time": "1:25:30", "text": "I don't know if you're in that zone." }, { "end_time": "1:25:34", "start_time": "1:25:31", "text": "I don't need to think that much because I know where we were in my subject." }, { "end_time": "1:25:36", "start_time": "1:25:34", "text": "So it's things I'm used to talk about." }, { "end_time": "1:25:39", "start_time": "1:25:36", "text": "So What value is this conversation adding to you?" }, { "end_time": "1:25:42", "start_time": "1:25:39", "text": "Not, not, not Odoo, just you." }, { "end_time": "1:25:47", "start_time": "1:25:42", "text": "I'm surprised that you find that the discussion is so good for you, that you get a lot of value from it." }, { "end_time": "1:25:49", "start_time": "1:25:47", "text": "For me, it's just normal." }, { "end_time": "1:25:50", "start_time": "1:25:50", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:25:52", "start_time": "1:25:50", "text": "But you are adding a lot of value like that." }, { "end_time": "1:25:55", "start_time": "1:25:52", "text": "But that's what I'm surprised and it's good to hear." }, { "end_time": "1:26:03", "start_time": "1:25:55", "text": "I'm sure this one's going to get international viewers as well because you've not just spoken to the Indian audiences, you know, you've spoken to like, like a lot of people want to expand their businesses in India." }, { "end_time": "1:26:04", "start_time": "1:26:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:26:08", "start_time": "1:26:05", "text": "And they don't know how to my solution to all of them." }, { "end_time": "1:26:12", "start_time": "1:26:08", "text": "When I have been asked this question abroad is I think you need to tie up with an Indian partner." }, { "end_time": "1:26:19", "start_time": "1:26:12", "text": "Like Indians have that team mentality also like as we value it, it's very easy to find a co founder or India." }, { "end_time": "1:26:24", "start_time": "1:26:21", "text": "So, I mean, that was my advice until today's podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:26:26", "start_time": "1:26:24", "text": "Now I'll just send them this podcast and look at this guy's story." }, { "end_time": "1:26:27", "start_time": "1:26:26", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:26:33", "start_time": "1:26:29", "text": "Maybe before we talk about America, one small question about India." }, { "end_time": "1:26:38", "start_time": "1:26:33", "text": "For the other foreigner founders, you know, founders from other countries who want to expand in this country." }, { "end_time": "1:26:40", "start_time": "1:26:39", "text": "What's your advice to them?" }, { "end_time": "1:26:41", "start_time": "1:26:40", "text": "I think just do it." }, { "end_time": "1:26:50", "start_time": "1:26:42", "text": "Just, book a flight ticket and come there a few weeks, discuss with people, meet people and Indian are very entrepreneurial mindset." }, { "end_time": "1:26:55", "start_time": "1:26:50", "text": "So you will find good relationship that you can start using and developing." }, { "end_time": "1:26:58", "start_time": "1:26:55", "text": "Just a matter of what I did is that just go to India." }, { "end_time": "1:27:02", "start_time": "1:26:59", "text": "Once you are there, things not already developed." }, { "end_time": "1:27:08", "start_time": "1:27:02", "text": "And this whole angle about the population being really big, it's a very legitimate reason to be here." }, { "end_time": "1:27:08", "start_time": "1:27:08", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:27:10", "start_time": "1:27:08", "text": "Like, because the market size is that big." }, { "end_time": "1:27:11", "start_time": "1:27:10", "text": "And it's growing." }, { "end_time": "1:27:14", "start_time": "1:27:11", "text": "It's 8% growth of GDP per year." }, { "end_time": "1:27:14", "start_time": "1:27:14", "text": "It's, it's bigger." }, { "end_time": "1:27:18", "start_time": "1:27:14", "text": "As in a population that's becoming richer, a big population that's becoming richer." }, { "end_time": "1:27:20", "start_time": "1:27:18", "text": "That's the business logic about being here." }, { "end_time": "1:27:24", "start_time": "1:27:21", "text": "Because at the end of the day, business has to be a little ruthless and mathematical." }, { "end_time": "1:27:29", "start_time": "1:27:24", "text": "For me, the initial reason I went to India is that, I was growing very fast in Belgium." }, { "end_time": "1:27:34", "start_time": "1:27:30", "text": "I was a small company, like 20 employees when I went to India." }, { "end_time": "1:27:42", "start_time": "1:27:34", "text": "And when you grow fast, I was signing projects that was, the revenue of the project was bigger than my turnover the preceding year." }, { "end_time": "1:27:44", "start_time": "1:27:42", "text": "So bigger project, more than my turnover." }, { "end_time": "1:27:49", "start_time": "1:27:44", "text": "But once you do that, you quickly need to recruit and set up the team to deliver the client." }, { "end_time": "1:27:58", "start_time": "1:27:49", "text": "And the problem I faced in Belgium, if I needed, I had 20 developers, if I needed 20 more, it was like 6 to 9 months to get them." }, { "end_time": "1:28:00", "start_time": "1:27:58", "text": "But I just signed a client, so I needed it right away." }, { "end_time": "1:28:04", "start_time": "1:28:00", "text": "So it's not so much about the cost of the developers." }, { "end_time": "1:28:06", "start_time": "1:28:04", "text": "It was that I needed to grow faster." }, { "end_time": "1:28:11", "start_time": "1:28:07", "text": "And so I had this before because at the end, I wanted to recruit in Belgium." }, { "end_time": "1:28:15", "start_time": "1:28:11", "text": "So I recruited Indians so that I have more time to catch up with my giants." }, { "end_time": "1:28:16", "start_time": "1:28:15", "text": "They were sitting in India?" }, { "end_time": "1:28:18", "start_time": "1:28:16", "text": "At the with yes." }, { "end_time": "1:28:22", "start_time": "1:28:18", "text": "How did you come to know that India has this developer access?" }, { "end_time": "1:28:23", "start_time": "1:28:22", "text": "Oh, everyone knows that." }, { "end_time": "1:28:27", "start_time": "1:28:23", "text": "Everyone in the tech world knows that if It's a development center of the world." }, { "end_time": "1:28:28", "start_time": "1:28:27", "text": "Everyone knows that." }, { "end_time": "1:28:31", "start_time": "1:28:29", "text": "Like you've heard of Infosys and TCS, of course." }, { "end_time": "1:28:32", "start_time": "1:28:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:28:32", "start_time": "1:28:32", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "1:28:34", "start_time": "1:28:32", "text": "But had you heard of them before you came to India?" }, { "end_time": "1:28:34", "start_time": "1:28:34", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:28:34", "start_time": "1:28:34", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "1:28:36", "start_time": "1:28:34", "text": "And how do you look at Infosys and TCS?" }, { "end_time": "1:28:39", "start_time": "1:28:37", "text": "I never worked with them, so I don't know." }, { "end_time": "1:28:39", "start_time": "1:28:39", "text": "But what did you heard of?" }, { "end_time": "1:28:43", "start_time": "1:28:39", "text": "But it's I mean, TCS is 400,000 people." }, { "end_time": "1:28:45", "start_time": "1:28:43", "text": "Can you imagine 400,000 developers?" }, { "end_time": "1:28:46", "start_time": "1:28:46", "text": "It's it's huge." }, { "end_time": "1:28:49", "start_time": "1:28:47", "text": "I saw you reading a book about the Tata Group." }, { "end_time": "1:28:49", "start_time": "1:28:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:28:50", "start_time": "1:28:49", "text": "I just started." }, { "end_time": "1:28:51", "start_time": "1:28:50", "text": "I'm page 20 or something." }, { "end_time": "1:28:52", "start_time": "1:28:51", "text": "Why are you reading that?" }, { "end_time": "1:28:54", "start_time": "1:28:53", "text": "I read a lot of books." }, { "end_time": "1:28:57", "start_time": "1:28:54", "text": "But specifically, that Tata Group book you're reading because you're in India?" }, { "end_time": "1:28:58", "start_time": "1:28:58", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:29:00", "start_time": "1:28:58", "text": "But I think I would have read it before." }, { "end_time": "1:29:00", "start_time": "1:29:00", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:29:03", "start_time": "1:29:00", "text": "I'm just because it's one of the book I'm reading now." }, { "end_time": "1:29:04", "start_time": "1:29:03", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:29:05", "start_time": "1:29:04", "text": "Coming back to America." }, { "end_time": "1:29:06", "start_time": "1:29:05", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:29:09", "start_time": "1:29:07", "text": "3 years in Silicon Valley, you lived there?" }, { "end_time": "1:29:09", "start_time": "1:29:09", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:29:11", "start_time": "1:29:10", "text": "Tell me everything, man." }, { "end_time": "1:29:13", "start_time": "1:29:11", "text": "Like, what was your life like?" }, { "end_time": "1:29:14", "start_time": "1:29:13", "text": "What were the conversations like?" }, { "end_time": "1:29:18", "start_time": "1:29:15", "text": "Did you actually get a view of the future?" }, { "end_time": "1:29:21", "start_time": "1:29:19", "text": "Did you have conversations about AI back then?" }, { "end_time": "1:29:22", "start_time": "1:29:21", "text": "Which year is this?" }, { "end_time": "1:29:24", "start_time": "1:29:23", "text": "It was 2011." }, { "end_time": "1:29:26", "start_time": "1:29:24", "text": "7 or 8 years ago." }, { "end_time": "1:29:27", "start_time": "1:29:26", "text": "So 2015?" }, { "end_time": "1:29:28", "start_time": "1:29:27", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:29:29", "start_time": "1:29:28", "text": "Around that time?" }, { "end_time": "1:29:29", "start_time": "1:29:29", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:29:32", "start_time": "1:29:29", "text": "Was that talking about Simon or OpenAI all this even back then?" }, { "end_time": "1:29:32", "start_time": "1:29:32", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:29:33", "start_time": "1:29:32", "text": "It was not." }, { "end_time": "1:29:36", "start_time": "1:29:33", "text": "Nobody was talking about AI at the time." }, { "end_time": "1:29:37", "start_time": "1:29:36", "text": "You enjoyed your time in America?" }, { "end_time": "1:29:38", "start_time": "1:29:38", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:29:39", "start_time": "1:29:38", "text": "Very much." }, { "end_time": "1:29:42", "start_time": "1:29:40", "text": "I prefer India because the ex because of the experience." }, { "end_time": "1:29:45", "start_time": "1:29:42", "text": "It's so much San Francisco is very much like Belgium." }, { "end_time": "1:29:49", "start_time": "1:29:46", "text": "It looks like a European city." }, { "end_time": "1:29:53", "start_time": "1:29:50", "text": "So it's the closest you can get from a European city in America, I would say." }, { "end_time": "1:29:57", "start_time": "1:29:53", "text": "And India is so much different that I like because of the experience." }, { "end_time": "1:30:00", "start_time": "1:29:58", "text": "In the US, it's very different from here." }, { "end_time": "1:30:08", "start_time": "1:30:04", "text": "The American has a totally different approach to purchasing a software." }, { "end_time": "1:30:10", "start_time": "1:30:08", "text": "In India, I told you, it starts with the price." }, { "end_time": "1:30:11", "start_time": "1:30:10", "text": "How much does it cost?" }, { "end_time": "1:30:12", "start_time": "1:30:11", "text": "And then we look at the software if it's good or not." }, { "end_time": "1:30:14", "start_time": "1:30:12", "text": "How do you sell to an American?" }, { "end_time": "1:30:16", "start_time": "1:30:14", "text": "An American, you have to make him dream." }, { "end_time": "1:30:19", "start_time": "1:30:16", "text": "He wants something beautiful, super clean." }, { "end_time": "1:30:20", "start_time": "1:30:19", "text": "He wants a dream." }, { "end_time": "1:30:21", "start_time": "1:30:20", "text": "It's emotional." }, { "end_time": "1:30:23", "start_time": "1:30:22", "text": "And it has to be perfect." }, { "end_time": "1:30:28", "start_time": "1:30:25", "text": "If an Indian, if it's not perfect, he will find a way to use the product." }, { "end_time": "1:30:31", "start_time": "1:30:29", "text": "He will always succeed to use the product." }, { "end_time": "1:30:33", "start_time": "1:30:31", "text": "In India, it's just the price point as the seller." }, { "end_time": "1:30:35", "start_time": "1:30:33", "text": "And if it's not perfect, he knows he can use it." }, { "end_time": "1:30:36", "start_time": "1:30:35", "text": "It's okay." }, { "end_time": "1:30:37", "start_time": "1:30:36", "text": "There is a small bug there." }, { "end_time": "1:30:40", "start_time": "1:30:37", "text": "He will just turn it around and use it differently." }, { "end_time": "1:30:41", "start_time": "1:30:40", "text": "And for them, it's normal." }, { "end_time": "1:30:44", "start_time": "1:30:41", "text": "In America, it has to be very good, super clean." }, { "end_time": "1:30:51", "start_time": "1:30:44", "text": "They are so used to have very mature software on their market that they're used to the perfect everything." }, { "end_time": "1:30:59", "start_time": "1:30:51", "text": "And so for me, it took like 2, 3 years to make the product up to the standards of what an American expect." }, { "end_time": "1:30:59", "start_time": "1:30:59", "text": "Damn." }, { "end_time": "1:31:03", "start_time": "1:31:00", "text": "That's why I relocated there because I had to understand exactly that." }, { "end_time": "1:31:07", "start_time": "1:31:03", "text": "But once you get there, then it gets easy because they are huge consumers." }, { "end_time": "1:31:09", "start_time": "1:31:08", "text": "They even buy everything on credit." }, { "end_time": "1:31:15", "start_time": "1:31:09", "text": "So they can put a lot of money once they like the product and very quickly." }, { "end_time": "1:31:23", "start_time": "1:31:15", "text": "The way you learned about WhatsApp marketing in India and then took it to the world, I'm sure going to America forced you to become a way better product." }, { "end_time": "1:31:25", "start_time": "1:31:23", "text": "And then you took that way better product for them." }, { "end_time": "1:31:27", "start_time": "1:31:25", "text": "My challenge for the America was more the design." }, { "end_time": "1:31:33", "start_time": "1:31:28", "text": "That all design was not on par with the standard of Americans at the time." }, { "end_time": "1:31:35", "start_time": "1:31:33", "text": "No, it's very good, better than the best." }, { "end_time": "1:31:42", "start_time": "1:31:36", "text": "But at the time we were all design or product was super powerful, but design was not as clean as what an American expect." }, { "end_time": "1:31:46", "start_time": "1:31:43", "text": "So we had to fix that in order to start the American business." }, { "end_time": "1:31:48", "start_time": "1:31:46", "text": "Now it's our number one country in terms of renewal." }, { "end_time": "1:31:50", "start_time": "1:31:48", "text": "And this is because of the feedback loops in America." }, { "end_time": "1:31:56", "start_time": "1:31:50", "text": "You spoke to customers, they said that Yeah, you meet customers and you spend time trying to sell." }, { "end_time": "1:31:58", "start_time": "1:31:56", "text": "That's a good thing to try to sell for yourself." }, { "end_time": "1:32:04", "start_time": "1:31:58", "text": "Go on the phone, doing demos with customer, check out their react, and then you adapt based on this feedback." }, { "end_time": "1:32:06", "start_time": "1:32:05", "text": "What else, life in America?" }, { "end_time": "1:32:09", "start_time": "1:32:07", "text": "For me it was very much like in Europe." }, { "end_time": "1:32:13", "start_time": "1:32:11", "text": "It's good life." }, { "end_time": "1:32:16", "start_time": "1:32:14", "text": "I have always seen America like a big casino." }, { "end_time": "1:32:22", "start_time": "1:32:17", "text": "Like, if everything is good, it's a big bet." }, { "end_time": "1:32:29", "start_time": "1:32:22", "text": "If you are good in your life financially, so if you have a good job, good revenues, everything's perfect." }, { "end_time": "1:32:31", "start_time": "1:32:29", "text": "It's dream, dream of everything." }, { "end_time": "1:32:32", "start_time": "1:32:31", "text": "You have a good education." }, { "end_time": "1:32:35", "start_time": "1:32:33", "text": "But if one thing failed, could be a nightmare." }, { "end_time": "1:32:40", "start_time": "1:32:36", "text": "If you lose your job and you get sick, you can quickly get homeless." }, { "end_time": "1:32:45", "start_time": "1:32:42", "text": "If you don't have the revenue, it's very, very difficult." }, { "end_time": "1:32:50", "start_time": "1:32:47", "text": "Because especially in San Francisco, it's very hard." }, { "end_time": "1:32:58", "start_time": "1:32:50", "text": "If you, when I was in San Francisco, a lot of people had 2 or 3 different jobs because one job was not enough to sustain the family, which is hard." }, { "end_time": "1:32:58", "start_time": "1:32:58", "text": "It's very hard." }, { "end_time": "1:33:05", "start_time": "1:32:58", "text": "So when you are not in the good classes, it's very difficult." }, { "end_time": "1:33:10", "start_time": "1:33:05", "text": "For instance, something that always surprised me is that a lot of Indians want to go to America." }, { "end_time": "1:33:16", "start_time": "1:33:11", "text": "And what I have noticed in San Francisco is a lot of Indians were top developers here." }, { "end_time": "1:33:24", "start_time": "1:33:16", "text": "So they have very good salary for Indians, like 1 point or 2 lakhs in India, where you are king when you have 2 lakhs salary in India." }, { "end_time": "1:33:25", "start_time": "1:33:24", "text": "You can have a very good life." }, { "end_time": "1:33:27", "start_time": "1:33:26", "text": "You have your own driver." }, { "end_time": "1:33:31", "start_time": "1:33:27", "text": "You can, you own cleaners, a few people working for you." }, { "end_time": "1:33:43", "start_time": "1:33:31", "text": "And then they go to America, they have a higher salary, but the salary is very low compared to the housing market, the healthcare market, education market, that actually their life is lower." }, { "end_time": "1:33:44", "start_time": "1:33:44", "text": "Life quality." }, { "end_time": "1:33:46", "start_time": "1:33:44", "text": "Life quality is lower." }, { "end_time": "1:33:51", "start_time": "1:33:46", "text": "That's something surprised me because you were the king there and you go there and you are lower." }, { "end_time": "1:34:04", "start_time": "1:33:51", "text": "It was my big battle when I was in engineering college to not give the GRE GRE and go to America because society was looking down upon me for it because there's societal pressure that, Hey, you know what?" }, { "end_time": "1:34:06", "start_time": "1:34:05", "text": "You're probably just not ambitious enough." }, { "end_time": "1:34:08", "start_time": "1:34:06", "text": "Why do you want to live in this country?" }, { "end_time": "1:34:13", "start_time": "1:34:08", "text": "But it was my argument that I would rather be a king here than go then be one of the crowd." }, { "end_time": "1:34:13", "start_time": "1:34:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:34:14", "start_time": "1:34:13", "text": "That's a good one." }, { "end_time": "1:34:19", "start_time": "1:34:14", "text": "And, so in America, if you are good, good job, everything's great." }, { "end_time": "1:34:36", "start_time": "1:34:20", "text": "But if you get sick or if you, lose your apartment or something it can quickly be very difficult because healthcare is super expensive, education is super expensive, housing is very expensive." }, { "end_time": "1:34:39", "start_time": "1:34:36", "text": "So you need to but if you have that it's perfect." }, { "end_time": "1:34:40", "start_time": "1:34:39", "text": "Dream life." }, { "end_time": "1:34:43", "start_time": "1:34:40", "text": "But if you don't, and everything is related." }, { "end_time": "1:34:48", "start_time": "1:34:43", "text": "For instance, your health care insurance is related to your work contract." }, { "end_time": "1:34:52", "start_time": "1:34:48", "text": "So if you lose your work contract, you lose your health care insurance." }, { "end_time": "1:34:58", "start_time": "1:34:52", "text": "And if you get sick in between 2 jobs, then you have to pay everything cash and it's basically impossible." }, { "end_time": "1:35:00", "start_time": "1:34:58", "text": "It can quickly be in the 100 of 1,000 of dollars." }, { "end_time": "1:35:03", "start_time": "1:35:02", "text": "Of your arm." }, { "end_time": "1:35:03", "start_time": "1:35:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:35:06", "start_time": "1:35:03", "text": "But my kid had, he had a smaller issue." }, { "end_time": "1:35:10", "start_time": "1:35:07", "text": "He had, his temperature or something." }, { "end_time": "1:35:16", "start_time": "1:35:10", "text": "In Europe, when you have that, you go to hospital and you pay maybe €20 or barely nothing because we have social security." }, { "end_time": "1:35:17", "start_time": "1:35:16", "text": "For a fever." }, { "end_time": "1:35:19", "start_time": "1:35:17", "text": "So we did like good Europeans." }, { "end_time": "1:35:23", "start_time": "1:35:19", "text": "We went to the hospital, to check if the kids doesn't have something." }, { "end_time": "1:35:26", "start_time": "1:35:23", "text": "He get an ice cream, to do the standard." }, { "end_time": "1:35:27", "start_time": "1:35:26", "text": "So they gave him an ice cream." }, { "end_time": "1:35:30", "start_time": "1:35:27", "text": "They checked temperature of the thing, a few medicines, came back." }, { "end_time": "1:35:32", "start_time": "1:35:30", "text": "I think we went there 30 minutes." }, { "end_time": "1:35:34", "start_time": "1:35:33", "text": "It costed us $2,100." }, { "end_time": "1:35:38", "start_time": "1:35:37", "text": "It was €20 in Europe." }, { "end_time": "1:35:44", "start_time": "1:35:39", "text": "And so if you are rich, the problem, if you are an insurance, we didn't have an insurance because we were Europeans." }, { "end_time": "1:35:46", "start_time": "1:35:44", "text": "If you have an insurance, that's okay." }, { "end_time": "1:35:48", "start_time": "1:35:46", "text": "But if it happens, and that's a very small thing." }, { "end_time": "1:35:50", "start_time": "1:35:48", "text": "So imagine a real accident." }, { "end_time": "1:35:53", "start_time": "1:35:50", "text": "If it happens at a bad time, it could be a life changing moment." }, { "end_time": "1:35:56", "start_time": "1:35:54", "text": "Which actually happens to people?" }, { "end_time": "1:35:56", "start_time": "1:35:56", "text": "It happens to people." }, { "end_time": "1:35:57", "start_time": "1:35:56", "text": "There are a lot of homeless." }, { "end_time": "1:36:01", "start_time": "1:35:57", "text": "So you would be surprised about the crime and the homeless people in San Francisco." }, { "end_time": "1:36:13", "start_time": "1:36:02", "text": "So again, I don't know how true this is because I have not been to America since 2018, but we've had people who've come on the show and they've, they're saying that parts of America are growing a lot." }, { "end_time": "1:36:15", "start_time": "1:36:13", "text": "Like new cities, Austin is coming up a lot." }, { "end_time": "1:36:20", "start_time": "1:36:15", "text": "Denver is coming up a lot, but the old power centers, which is New York and San Francisco are degrading." }, { "end_time": "1:36:21", "start_time": "1:36:20", "text": "Yeah, that's true." }, { "end_time": "1:36:21", "start_time": "1:36:21", "text": "That's true?" }, { "end_time": "1:36:22", "start_time": "1:36:21", "text": "Yeah, that's true." }, { "end_time": "1:36:29", "start_time": "1:36:22", "text": "People are leaving San Francisco because of crisis increasing, drugs increasing, homeless increasing, and the costs are super high." }, { "end_time": "1:36:36", "start_time": "1:36:29", "text": "So they want to relocate, especially now with after the pandemic and, home working facilities that people prefer to relocate." }, { "end_time": "1:36:39", "start_time": "1:36:37", "text": "But it's still a big business market." }, { "end_time": "1:36:41", "start_time": "1:36:39", "text": "It's still Google, Microsoft, Apple." }, { "end_time": "1:36:42", "start_time": "1:36:41", "text": "It's difficult to beat." }, { "end_time": "1:36:45", "start_time": "1:36:43", "text": "How do Europeans generally look at America?" }, { "end_time": "1:36:47", "start_time": "1:36:45", "text": "Is it aspirational to go there?" }, { "end_time": "1:36:48", "start_time": "1:36:47", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:36:49", "start_time": "1:36:48", "text": "I think we have a lot of things to learn." }, { "end_time": "1:36:51", "start_time": "1:36:49", "text": "Like in product design, they are very good." }, { "end_time": "1:36:53", "start_time": "1:36:51", "text": "Marketing, they are the proof marketing." }, { "end_time": "1:36:53", "start_time": "1:36:53", "text": "Yeah, best." }, { "end_time": "1:36:55", "start_time": "1:36:54", "text": "Service, they are the proof of service." }, { "end_time": "1:37:01", "start_time": "1:36:56", "text": "Like all the serving restaurant or they are very good in a lot of things." }, { "end_time": "1:37:05", "start_time": "1:37:01", "text": "So they are leader for real reasons, but they also draw back." }, { "end_time": "1:37:06", "start_time": "1:37:05", "text": "That's why it's a mixed meal." }, { "end_time": "1:37:09", "start_time": "1:37:06", "text": "What I like the most about Americans are the conversations." }, { "end_time": "1:37:11", "start_time": "1:37:09", "text": "Best conversations I ever hear on American podcasts." }, { "end_time": "1:37:12", "start_time": "1:37:11", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:37:13", "start_time": "1:37:12", "text": "And that says a lot." }, { "end_time": "1:37:13", "start_time": "1:37:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:37:15", "start_time": "1:37:13", "text": "They are very good storytellers." }, { "end_time": "1:37:15", "start_time": "1:37:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:37:27", "start_time": "1:37:15", "text": "But it's because when they get kids, my kids when they were there, very young age, like 3 years or 4 years old, they are on the stage in front of the class and they have to present things every week." }, { "end_time": "1:37:31", "start_time": "1:37:27", "text": "So they get very early on in their teaching." }, { "end_time": "1:37:33", "start_time": "1:37:31", "text": "They teach kids to present things." }, { "end_time": "1:37:38", "start_time": "1:37:34", "text": "They had something called, what was the name?" }, { "end_time": "1:37:45", "start_time": "1:37:38", "text": "I do not remember the name of the thing, but every week the kid had to bring something from home, go in front of every student and explain why it was Show and tell." }, { "end_time": "1:37:46", "start_time": "1:37:45", "text": "Show and tell." }, { "end_time": "1:37:47", "start_time": "1:37:46", "text": "And every week." }, { "end_time": "1:37:50", "start_time": "1:37:47", "text": "And so they practice a lot of that." }, { "end_time": "1:37:50", "start_time": "1:37:50", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "1:37:52", "start_time": "1:37:50", "text": "Which is difficult when you do interviews." }, { "end_time": "1:37:58", "start_time": "1:37:52", "text": "Because when I arrived in the US and I did interviews with Amica, everyone felt very smart for me." }, { "end_time": "1:38:04", "start_time": "1:37:58", "text": "But most of them were bullshitting or trying to show themselves better than what they are." }, { "end_time": "1:38:11", "start_time": "1:38:05", "text": "It took me time to understand because when you listen to them, they are so good that it feels that they are really, really, really good." }, { "end_time": "1:38:12", "start_time": "1:38:11", "text": "The reality is a bit different." }, { "end_time": "1:38:14", "start_time": "1:38:12", "text": "They are very good at Selling." }, { "end_time": "1:38:17", "start_time": "1:38:15", "text": "Selling, talking." }, { "end_time": "1:38:18", "start_time": "1:38:17", "text": "So you have to look behind that." }, { "end_time": "1:38:20", "start_time": "1:38:19", "text": "How do you look behind?" }, { "end_time": "1:38:23", "start_time": "1:38:21", "text": "I think it's come with experience." }, { "end_time": "1:38:25", "start_time": "1:38:24", "text": "Pattern recognition?" }, { "end_time": "1:38:25", "start_time": "1:38:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:38:28", "start_time": "1:38:26", "text": "You need to pick up where people are bullshitting." }, { "end_time": "1:38:28", "start_time": "1:38:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:38:33", "start_time": "1:38:29", "text": "One of the thing we do in recruitment is, we don't discuss too much, how to do." }, { "end_time": "1:38:35", "start_time": "1:38:34", "text": "We actually do real exercise." }, { "end_time": "1:38:37", "start_time": "1:38:35", "text": "So if you recruit a developer, make him develop." }, { "end_time": "1:38:46", "start_time": "1:38:38", "text": "If you, recruit an engineer, making design, architecture, understand business flow, to check, discuss about this, you know, but don't talk about the resume." }, { "end_time": "1:38:51", "start_time": "1:38:47", "text": "They will just make you feel like they are the best if you talk about resume, you won't understand anything." }, { "end_time": "1:38:53", "start_time": "1:38:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:38:56", "start_time": "1:38:53", "text": "I was telling some American friends of mine." }, { "end_time": "1:38:57", "start_time": "1:38:56", "text": "These are not like Indian Americans." }, { "end_time": "1:38:59", "start_time": "1:38:57", "text": "Like American Americans, white guys, black guys." }, { "end_time": "1:39:04", "start_time": "1:38:59", "text": "I was telling them that what I admire about your culture a lot is the whole sales culture." }, { "end_time": "1:39:05", "start_time": "1:39:04", "text": "You project yourself very well." }, { "end_time": "1:39:06", "start_time": "1:39:05", "text": "Like, I have learned that." }, { "end_time": "1:39:08", "start_time": "1:39:06", "text": "And honestly, I'm using it in India." }, { "end_time": "1:39:11", "start_time": "1:39:08", "text": "I think there's a lot for Indians alone because we are the opposite of it." }, { "end_time": "1:39:15", "start_time": "1:39:11", "text": "Like for us, there's a lot of people who even if they're really good, they're too shy to tell." }, { "end_time": "1:39:15", "start_time": "1:39:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:39:17", "start_time": "1:39:15", "text": "Do you see that about India?" }, { "end_time": "1:39:17", "start_time": "1:39:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:39:20", "start_time": "1:39:17", "text": "Americans are much, much better on that." }, { "end_time": "1:39:22", "start_time": "1:39:21", "text": "Something India can learn from America." }, { "end_time": "1:39:23", "start_time": "1:39:22", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "1:39:26", "start_time": "1:39:23", "text": "That, marketing, product design, they are very good in this." }, { "end_time": "1:39:30", "start_time": "1:39:28", "text": "What would you hire an American for?" }, { "end_time": "1:39:30", "start_time": "1:39:30", "text": "Marketing?" }, { "end_time": "1:39:32", "start_time": "1:39:31", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "1:39:34", "start_time": "1:39:32", "text": "Especially in content." }, { "end_time": "1:39:38", "start_time": "1:39:35", "text": "Content writer, storytelling, they are very good." }, { "end_time": "1:39:43", "start_time": "1:39:39", "text": "Because of the show and tell and I think because of the television culture." }, { "end_time": "1:39:45", "start_time": "1:39:43", "text": "Also it's their native language." }, { "end_time": "1:39:48", "start_time": "1:39:46", "text": "For us, English is our second language." }, { "end_time": "1:39:52", "start_time": "1:39:48", "text": "So I'm pretty sure, for me at least, I would have better answer in French." }, { "end_time": "1:39:55", "start_time": "1:39:53", "text": "It helps when it's your native language." }, { "end_time": "1:39:56", "start_time": "1:39:55", "text": "What would you hire me for?" }, { "end_time": "1:39:58", "start_time": "1:39:56", "text": "Like, now that you've gotten to know me." }, { "end_time": "1:40:01", "start_time": "1:40:00", "text": "Content?" }, { "end_time": "1:40:02", "start_time": "1:40:01", "text": "Would you hire me?" }, { "end_time": "1:40:03", "start_time": "1:40:02", "text": "We do a lot of videos." }, { "end_time": "1:40:06", "start_time": "1:40:04", "text": "I don't think I can afford you to No, no, no." }, { "end_time": "1:40:08", "start_time": "1:40:06", "text": "I mean, if I didn't have the podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:40:09", "start_time": "1:40:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:40:11", "start_time": "1:40:09", "text": "Would you have hired me in India?" }, { "end_time": "1:40:11", "start_time": "1:40:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:40:16", "start_time": "1:40:11", "text": "For content, it's having good people in terms of content doing video is super important." }, { "end_time": "1:40:21", "start_time": "1:40:17", "text": "We do, you know, we produce, to do something like, 600 videos per year." }, { "end_time": "1:40:25", "start_time": "1:40:22", "text": "So we have a huge team of content, video production." }, { "end_time": "1:40:26", "start_time": "1:40:25", "text": "We have a podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:40:27", "start_time": "1:40:26", "text": "Where do you put it up?" }, { "end_time": "1:40:28", "start_time": "1:40:27", "text": "On YouTube mostly." }, { "end_time": "1:40:31", "start_time": "1:40:29", "text": "For maintaining your community?" }, { "end_time": "1:40:31", "start_time": "1:40:31", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:40:33", "start_time": "1:40:31", "text": "So it's mostly about education." }, { "end_time": "1:40:42", "start_time": "1:40:33", "text": "We, have videos about how you can improve your sales, how you can better do your accounting, project manager, or you can build a website with Hadoop." }, { "end_time": "1:40:45", "start_time": "1:40:42", "text": "So it's more of a tutorial, things like that." }, { "end_time": "1:40:47", "start_time": "1:40:46", "text": "But it's very important for the community." }, { "end_time": "1:40:50", "start_time": "1:40:48", "text": "Let's have a larger conversation here." }, { "end_time": "1:40:51", "start_time": "1:40:50", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:40:57", "start_time": "1:40:51", "text": "About content and community, because this is just a theoretical thing I've heard from a lot of people." }, { "end_time": "1:41:01", "start_time": "1:40:57", "text": "And I don't see that really happening in India right now, other than with a few brands." }, { "end_time": "1:41:05", "start_time": "1:41:02", "text": "So every brand says, build your own community and then monetize it." }, { "end_time": "1:41:07", "start_time": "1:41:05", "text": "But I don't actually see too much of that happening." }, { "end_time": "1:41:08", "start_time": "1:41:07", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:41:17", "start_time": "1:41:08", "text": "Now, parallelly, going back to a conversation about how you scale your business, you said that one of your main marketing angles is that you have an active community." }, { "end_time": "1:41:18", "start_time": "1:41:18", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:41:19", "start_time": "1:41:18", "text": "Yes and no." }, { "end_time": "1:41:24", "start_time": "1:41:21", "text": "Developing a community is not the rule of marketing." }, { "end_time": "1:41:29", "start_time": "1:41:24", "text": "It helps marketing, but you do we have a very strong community because of development." }, { "end_time": "1:41:34", "start_time": "1:41:30", "text": "Because we worked, we are open source so people can download and modify our software." }, { "end_time": "1:41:40", "start_time": "1:41:34", "text": "So even students in universities, their teacher organize course on Odoo, and they go on GitHub." }, { "end_time": "1:41:42", "start_time": "1:41:40", "text": "So they collaborate with us on GitHub." }, { "end_time": "1:41:44", "start_time": "1:41:42", "text": "They make what we call pull requests." }, { "end_time": "1:41:47", "start_time": "1:41:44", "text": "So they propose feature, they develop new feature on the software, they propose to us." }, { "end_time": "1:41:51", "start_time": "1:41:47", "text": "We have a community because we collaborate together to build something." }, { "end_time": "1:41:54", "start_time": "1:41:51", "text": "You don't build a community just with marketing." }, { "end_time": "1:42:00", "start_time": "1:41:54", "text": "That's not community, that's segment of a market, customer segment, but it's not marketing." }, { "end_time": "1:42:06", "start_time": "1:42:00", "text": "Marketing is something where we do something together and doing something, the committee sorry, is about doing something together." }, { "end_time": "1:42:08", "start_time": "1:42:06", "text": "We have a very strong committee." }, { "end_time": "1:42:14", "start_time": "1:42:08", "text": "We have 2 types of committee, partners and committee who are not contract, who don't even have a contract with us." }, { "end_time": "1:42:19", "start_time": "1:42:14", "text": "But the committee works because they are generating revenues from Odoo." }, { "end_time": "1:42:22", "start_time": "1:42:20", "text": "Not because we market to them." }, { "end_time": "1:42:24", "start_time": "1:42:22", "text": "And so that depends on us." }, { "end_time": "1:42:24", "start_time": "1:42:24", "text": "We work together." }, { "end_time": "1:42:31", "start_time": "1:42:24", "text": "They develop new features for us because these communities are developers or partner or consultant who sell service on Odoo." }, { "end_time": "1:42:33", "start_time": "1:42:32", "text": "And it's a big ecosystem." }, { "end_time": "1:42:39", "start_time": "1:42:33", "text": "One way, one thing people misunderstood usually with the do is that they think they are okay, it's a company of 4,000 people." }, { "end_time": "1:42:40", "start_time": "1:42:39", "text": "The reality is not that." }, { "end_time": "1:42:46", "start_time": "1:42:40", "text": "Odoo is an ecosystem with 200,000 people whose full time job is to work on the do." }, { "end_time": "1:42:48", "start_time": "1:42:46", "text": "Selling, developing or doing consulting." }, { "end_time": "1:42:50", "start_time": "1:42:49", "text": "And that is a community." }, { "end_time": "1:43:01", "start_time": "1:42:50", "text": "When your people rely on your products because it's their life or their work, that becomes a community of fans and the way you behave with them, we collaborate with them." }, { "end_time": "1:43:03", "start_time": "1:43:01", "text": "So we develop together on the same feature." }, { "end_time": "1:43:08", "start_time": "1:43:03", "text": "They can have the source code of a product, improve things, send back to us for feedback." }, { "end_time": "1:43:10", "start_time": "1:43:08", "text": "That's a community organization." }, { "end_time": "1:43:13", "start_time": "1:43:10", "text": "Marketing is not, marketing is customer segment." }, { "end_time": "1:43:17", "start_time": "1:43:14", "text": "What is the purpose of the content you're creating?" }, { "end_time": "1:43:18", "start_time": "1:43:17", "text": "Helping this community." }, { "end_time": "1:43:21", "start_time": "1:43:19", "text": "So it's about teaching, educating." }, { "end_time": "1:43:22", "start_time": "1:43:21", "text": "It's not about marketing." }, { "end_time": "1:43:23", "start_time": "1:43:22", "text": "It's not about selling." }, { "end_time": "1:43:26", "start_time": "1:43:23", "text": "It's about making them become smarter and better." }, { "end_time": "1:43:30", "start_time": "1:43:27", "text": "So that actually then they can loop back into adding value." }, { "end_time": "1:43:35", "start_time": "1:43:30", "text": "Because if they are smarter and better, they will sell more of the service and then I will get reviews, but it's all about them." }, { "end_time": "1:43:36", "start_time": "1:43:35", "text": "It's not about us." }, { "end_time": "1:43:41", "start_time": "1:43:36", "text": "It's something a lot of companies miss in marketing is that it's all about your people." }, { "end_time": "1:43:42", "start_time": "1:43:41", "text": "It's not about you." }, { "end_time": "1:43:50", "start_time": "1:43:45", "text": "Content as a skill, does it have a role to play in the future of worldwide businesses?" }, { "end_time": "1:43:51", "start_time": "1:43:50", "text": "Oh, for sure." }, { "end_time": "1:43:54", "start_time": "1:43:51", "text": "It's an important skill to be More and more." }, { "end_time": "1:43:56", "start_time": "1:43:54", "text": "I mean, look at the influencer marketing, it's exploding." }, { "end_time": "1:44:02", "start_time": "1:43:57", "text": "Content everywhere is exploding and there are some areas where it's very well behind." }, { "end_time": "1:44:05", "start_time": "1:44:03", "text": "So, like B2C is very mature." }, { "end_time": "1:44:07", "start_time": "1:44:06", "text": "There are a lot of influencer marketing in B2C." }, { "end_time": "1:44:09", "start_time": "1:44:07", "text": "B2B, there's barely nothing." }, { "end_time": "1:44:12", "start_time": "1:44:10", "text": "It's very limited." }, { "end_time": "1:44:19", "start_time": "1:44:12", "text": "So it's like we are at the very beginning of B2B marketing on content, whether it's video or podcast or whatever." }, { "end_time": "1:44:21", "start_time": "1:44:19", "text": "It's very early days, I would say." }, { "end_time": "1:44:23", "start_time": "1:44:21", "text": "It's more mature in B2C." }, { "end_time": "1:44:30", "start_time": "1:44:23", "text": "So it means that we still have a few years of strong growth on this market because of that, because of the b to b would only start to address this." }, { "end_time": "1:44:36", "start_time": "1:44:32", "text": "If one has content related skills like editing." }, { "end_time": "1:44:36", "start_time": "1:44:36", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:44:39", "start_time": "1:44:36", "text": "Someone's a very good editor, very good content creator." }, { "end_time": "1:44:41", "start_time": "1:44:40", "text": "You would hire that person?" }, { "end_time": "1:44:42", "start_time": "1:44:41", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:44:46", "start_time": "1:44:42", "text": "And would other international businesses also hire these kind of people?" }, { "end_time": "1:44:47", "start_time": "1:44:47", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:44:48", "start_time": "1:44:47", "text": "You don't need a lot." }, { "end_time": "1:44:54", "start_time": "1:44:49", "text": "So for instance, I had to do over 4,000 people, I have 7." }, { "end_time": "1:44:57", "start_time": "1:44:55", "text": "We do because it's not a core business." }, { "end_time": "1:45:00", "start_time": "1:44:57", "text": "You would work for a content company that would be totally different." }, { "end_time": "1:45:07", "start_time": "1:45:02", "text": "But despite everything we do in marketing, we have 7 out of 4,000 people who do content editing." }, { "end_time": "1:45:09", "start_time": "1:45:08", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "1:45:14", "start_time": "1:45:09", "text": "Whether it's audio, video, we have more designers." }, { "end_time": "1:45:15", "start_time": "1:45:14", "text": "Designers, we have a lot." }, { "end_time": "1:45:22", "start_time": "1:45:15", "text": "Designer, I think we have 70, something around 70 because we offer that as a service for our client." }, { "end_time": "1:45:25", "start_time": "1:45:22", "text": "Because we have an app which is a website builder." }, { "end_time": "1:45:30", "start_time": "1:45:25", "text": "And it's part of our service to say, you want to improve the design, we can also do service on top of the website builder." }, { "end_time": "1:45:32", "start_time": "1:45:30", "text": "You know, Naval Ravikanth?" }, { "end_time": "1:45:32", "start_time": "1:45:32", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:45:37", "start_time": "1:45:32", "text": "He's a big, like, tech influencer on Twitter." }, { "end_time": "1:45:39", "start_time": "1:45:37", "text": "He's, he's very big in America." }, { "end_time": "1:45:44", "start_time": "1:45:39", "text": "So he has a saying and he's very respected in the tech community in America, especially, but also India now." }, { "end_time": "1:45:54", "start_time": "1:45:45", "text": "He said that if you know how to code or if you know how to create good quality of content, then it's likely that you will make money in the future." }, { "end_time": "1:45:55", "start_time": "1:45:55", "text": "Oh, yes." }, { "end_time": "1:45:59", "start_time": "1:45:56", "text": "Code, everyone understands, like, how you can make money." }, { "end_time": "1:46:02", "start_time": "1:45:59", "text": "But do you agree with the content side of things that if you know how to make good quality content?" }, { "end_time": "1:46:03", "start_time": "1:46:02", "text": "It gets more difficult." }, { "end_time": "1:46:14", "start_time": "1:46:03", "text": "I think in the early days, a lot of successful artists or content creator that we started 5 10 years ago it was much easier." }, { "end_time": "1:46:17", "start_time": "1:46:15", "text": "Today it's more difficult but it's still true." }, { "end_time": "1:46:26", "start_time": "1:46:19", "text": "The very good best guys but it's a bit I believe it's a bit like a sport only the top succeed to go out of the crowd." }, { "end_time": "1:46:27", "start_time": "1:46:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:46:27", "start_time": "1:46:27", "text": "True." }, { "end_time": "1:46:29", "start_time": "1:46:27", "text": "You're talking about content creation?" }, { "end_time": "1:46:29", "start_time": "1:46:29", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:46:31", "start_time": "1:46:29", "text": "You're you're not talking about content creation." }, { "end_time": "1:46:35", "start_time": "1:46:31", "text": "Only the few percentage that are extremely good will make it a big business." }, { "end_time": "1:46:38", "start_time": "1:46:35", "text": "Have you ever thought of what makes those few very good?" }, { "end_time": "1:46:40", "start_time": "1:46:38", "text": "Like in your eyes, what makes a good content creator?" }, { "end_time": "1:46:43", "start_time": "1:46:40", "text": "I'm not a good content consumer, so I don't know." }, { "end_time": "1:46:44", "start_time": "1:46:43", "text": "I can I don't watch that much?" }, { "end_time": "1:46:56", "start_time": "1:46:44", "text": "So Fair to say that in your eyes, it's just numbers, the guys, because I'm assuming that that's usually Let's speak about the do because I have a big content team, but, for Odoo not we serve a different purpose." }, { "end_time": "1:46:57", "start_time": "1:46:56", "text": "It's not about views." }, { "end_time": "1:47:01", "start_time": "1:46:57", "text": "It's about helping others, but still views are useful for us." }, { "end_time": "1:47:05", "start_time": "1:47:02", "text": "For me, it's about educating." }, { "end_time": "1:47:12", "start_time": "1:47:05", "text": "So the viewer should learn something to have fun while he learns, but he should be better after having viewed the videos." }, { "end_time": "1:47:14", "start_time": "1:47:12", "text": "I'm not so much about on entertainment." }, { "end_time": "1:47:15", "start_time": "1:47:14", "text": "There is a big business on entertainment." }, { "end_time": "1:47:20", "start_time": "1:47:15", "text": "But as a company, I really, what I really like is when we provide value." }, { "end_time": "1:47:24", "start_time": "1:47:20", "text": "I used to say that developers, they create value." }, { "end_time": "1:47:27", "start_time": "1:47:24", "text": "They create the value of the, in the product." }, { "end_time": "1:47:30", "start_time": "1:47:27", "text": "Marketing or content, they create the perception of the value." }, { "end_time": "1:47:32", "start_time": "1:47:30", "text": "You can create the best value you want." }, { "end_time": "1:47:37", "start_time": "1:47:32", "text": "If people don't understand it, it's not a value because they won't use it." }, { "end_time": "1:47:39", "start_time": "1:47:37", "text": "So you need you need both." }, { "end_time": "1:47:41", "start_time": "1:47:39", "text": "What have you picked up about content creation today?" }, { "end_time": "1:47:50", "start_time": "1:47:45", "text": "A podcast or interview show is similar to what we used to do in Europe." }, { "end_time": "1:47:53", "start_time": "1:47:50", "text": "I feel like it's the same kind of discussion." }, { "end_time": "1:47:55", "start_time": "1:47:54", "text": "Like you've done a podcast in Europe?" }, { "end_time": "1:47:56", "start_time": "1:47:55", "text": "Yes, yes." }, { "end_time": "1:47:56", "start_time": "1:47:56", "text": "Big ones, yes." }, { "end_time": "1:47:57", "start_time": "1:47:56", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:48:00", "start_time": "1:47:57", "text": "And they've asked you similar questions?" }, { "end_time": "1:48:01", "start_time": "1:48:00", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:48:04", "start_time": "1:48:01", "text": "Not similar question, but the ideas are the same." }, { "end_time": "1:48:12", "start_time": "1:48:04", "text": "If, we have to be open, have a good discussions, what interests people is all the same, I think." }, { "end_time": "1:48:15", "start_time": "1:48:13", "text": "They want to learn, have fun." }, { "end_time": "1:48:18", "start_time": "1:48:15", "text": "How do I expand in Europe as a content creator?" }, { "end_time": "1:48:22", "start_time": "1:48:19", "text": "I think you are better at you at your job than me." }, { "end_time": "1:48:25", "start_time": "1:48:23", "text": "I think you know you better now than me." }, { "end_time": "1:48:26", "start_time": "1:48:25", "text": "How do I reach you as of you?" }, { "end_time": "1:48:33", "start_time": "1:48:26", "text": "How how can more European people who are in positions of power get to know that I exist?" }, { "end_time": "1:48:39", "start_time": "1:48:35", "text": "Maybe a real rephrase that question is what do you guys need in terms of content?" }, { "end_time": "1:48:46", "start_time": "1:48:40", "text": "I think that, content creator, it's like product." }, { "end_time": "1:48:48", "start_time": "1:48:46", "text": "It's something you build on the long term." }, { "end_time": "1:48:51", "start_time": "1:48:48", "text": "You have to start small and acquire and acquire and acquire." }, { "end_time": "1:48:57", "start_time": "1:48:51", "text": "There is no magic formula of, oh, can I get 1,000,000 of views directly?" }, { "end_time": "1:48:58", "start_time": "1:48:57", "text": "It doesn't work that way." }, { "end_time": "1:49:02", "start_time": "1:48:58", "text": "You have to build, improve, improve, adapt to the audience." }, { "end_time": "1:49:06", "start_time": "1:49:02", "text": "And it's because you do it for 5 to 10 years that it starts to get big." }, { "end_time": "1:49:20", "start_time": "1:49:08", "text": "The audience in Europe, for instance, or in America, it's difficult because the largest B2B YouTube channel in Belgium is 20 ks subscribers." }, { "end_time": "1:49:25", "start_time": "1:49:21", "text": "So you as an Indian, you will be probably very frustrated in Europe." }, { "end_time": "1:49:33", "start_time": "1:49:26", "text": "In Belgium, in France it's a little bit bigger, but still we are not talking about the same number of viewers." }, { "end_time": "1:49:36", "start_time": "1:49:33", "text": "How do you look at the future of social media from your global perspective?" }, { "end_time": "1:49:40", "start_time": "1:49:38", "text": "For Odoo as a brand, it's great." }, { "end_time": "1:49:43", "start_time": "1:49:40", "text": "It's a way to educate people the way they, where they are." }, { "end_time": "1:49:50", "start_time": "1:49:43", "text": "Somehow on Instagram, on YouTube, but it's a way for us to distribute education and explain and teach to our community." }, { "end_time": "1:49:53", "start_time": "1:49:51", "text": "So in a way it's very good." }, { "end_time": "1:49:58", "start_time": "1:49:56", "text": "What do you think is the future of social media in the world?" }, { "end_time": "1:50:00", "start_time": "1:49:58", "text": "Have you ever thought of this?" }, { "end_time": "1:50:03", "start_time": "1:50:01", "text": "No, I've never thought about this." }, { "end_time": "1:50:06", "start_time": "1:50:03", "text": "I think it's bad for kids." }, { "end_time": "1:50:19", "start_time": "1:50:07", "text": "So I'm not sure the future is, maybe, I don't know if you are at the top or if it will continue grow in terms of value it provides to humanity because obviously there is some drawbacks to it." }, { "end_time": "1:50:27", "start_time": "1:50:21", "text": "The IQ, since we measure IQ like 100 something years has always increased." }, { "end_time": "1:50:32", "start_time": "1:50:29", "text": "And there are a lot of people who have an IQ superior to Agile today." }, { "end_time": "1:50:35", "start_time": "1:50:34", "text": "It has always increased." }, { "end_time": "1:50:38", "start_time": "1:50:35", "text": "Over the past 5 or 10 years, I don't know, it decreased." }, { "end_time": "1:50:42", "start_time": "1:50:39", "text": "And social media is one of the two reasons about this." }, { "end_time": "1:50:55", "start_time": "1:50:43", "text": "It's because when you always watch TV, spend time on social media or play video games, your brain is not thinking and you are probably losing ability to concentrate yourself." }, { "end_time": "1:50:56", "start_time": "1:50:55", "text": "Do you play video games?" }, { "end_time": "1:50:57", "start_time": "1:50:56", "text": "No, not so much." }, { "end_time": "1:50:59", "start_time": "1:50:58", "text": "I developed video games." }, { "end_time": "1:51:01", "start_time": "1:50:59", "text": "I developed a lot, but I didn't play." }, { "end_time": "1:51:05", "start_time": "1:51:02", "text": "Is there anything you do outside of work for fun?" }, { "end_time": "1:51:11", "start_time": "1:51:07", "text": "Being with friends, partly with friends I like, but I work a lot." }, { "end_time": "1:51:13", "start_time": "1:51:11", "text": "And because for me, work is fun." }, { "end_time": "1:51:20", "start_time": "1:51:14", "text": "I prefer to, I mean, work is for me, it's building things, creating things, innovation." }, { "end_time": "1:51:21", "start_time": "1:51:20", "text": "This is super fun." }, { "end_time": "1:51:25", "start_time": "1:51:21", "text": "It's problem solving, it's creative." }, { "end_time": "1:51:27", "start_time": "1:51:25", "text": "It's, always different." }, { "end_time": "1:51:28", "start_time": "1:51:27", "text": "It's very fun." }, { "end_time": "1:51:33", "start_time": "1:51:28", "text": "I think very few people in the world find the thing that they were born to do." }, { "end_time": "1:51:34", "start_time": "1:51:33", "text": "And you're one of those lucky guys." }, { "end_time": "1:51:35", "start_time": "1:51:34", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:51:36", "start_time": "1:51:35", "text": "You're born to do exactly this job." }, { "end_time": "1:51:37", "start_time": "1:51:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:51:38", "start_time": "1:51:37", "text": "And you are probably 1 too." }, { "end_time": "1:51:38", "start_time": "1:51:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:51:38", "start_time": "1:51:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:51:39", "start_time": "1:51:38", "text": "A 100%." }, { "end_time": "1:51:40", "start_time": "1:51:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:51:42", "start_time": "1:51:40", "text": "Like, I really enjoy my job." }, { "end_time": "1:51:45", "start_time": "1:51:42", "text": "Like it gets a lot quantity wise." }, { "end_time": "1:51:45", "start_time": "1:51:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:51:48", "start_time": "1:51:45", "text": "Like it doesn't And being happy doesn't mean easy." }, { "end_time": "1:51:50", "start_time": "1:51:49", "text": "So you have to work a lot." }, { "end_time": "1:51:52", "start_time": "1:51:50", "text": "You sometimes do things you don't like." }, { "end_time": "1:51:58", "start_time": "1:51:52", "text": "You, but all in all, if you like the output of what you do, then you will be happy." }, { "end_time": "1:51:58", "start_time": "1:51:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:52:10", "start_time": "1:51:59", "text": "You know, I have not asked these kinds of questions for a very long time on the show because there was a phase with this podcast where people wanted to know personalities and it was about self improvement." }, { "end_time": "1:52:12", "start_time": "1:52:10", "text": "And I've kind of removed those questions from the show." }, { "end_time": "1:52:16", "start_time": "1:52:12", "text": "And I've made it more about culture and, you know, the future." }, { "end_time": "1:52:25", "start_time": "1:52:16", "text": "But when I meet people like you, I have to go back to that original set of questions sometimes because you're a very rare, you know, you've got material success, but still personalities in the right place." }, { "end_time": "1:52:30", "start_time": "1:52:25", "text": "Heart is in the right place, which means like the most important, which is why I'm asking you this." }, { "end_time": "1:52:32", "start_time": "1:52:30", "text": "And it's probably the last question of today." }, { "end_time": "1:52:39", "start_time": "1:52:33", "text": "Tell me more like the worst moment of your life or the most painful moment or the moment you felt the most shame." }, { "end_time": "1:52:43", "start_time": "1:52:41", "text": "I've had very difficult times." }, { "end_time": "1:52:52", "start_time": "1:52:45", "text": "And usually these difficult times were very difficult on the moment, but I noticed a few years after that actually it was a good thing." }, { "end_time": "1:52:54", "start_time": "1:52:53", "text": "I can give you a few examples." }, { "end_time": "1:53:08", "start_time": "1:52:55", "text": "One of the very hard time is when I had a company, 6 employees, 5 employees at the time, and, 3 developers and 1 admin and me and the 3 developers, they left at the same time." }, { "end_time": "1:53:12", "start_time": "1:53:08", "text": "So from one day to another, I had nobody to deliver the service." }, { "end_time": "1:53:15", "start_time": "1:53:12", "text": "I had to do everything myself for 4 people." }, { "end_time": "1:53:17", "start_time": "1:53:16", "text": "And they did that." }, { "end_time": "1:53:21", "start_time": "1:53:17", "text": "And usually they did that by preparing a product that is a competitor to do." }, { "end_time": "1:53:23", "start_time": "1:53:21", "text": "It failed, but they did that." }, { "end_time": "1:53:25", "start_time": "1:53:23", "text": "So a few months before they stopped delivering service to clients." }, { "end_time": "1:53:29", "start_time": "1:53:25", "text": "So I also had, at the same time, a lot of clients complaining that I have to satisfy myself." }, { "end_time": "1:53:34", "start_time": "1:53:30", "text": "When it happens, I was like done very, very, very done." }, { "end_time": "1:53:35", "start_time": "1:53:34", "text": "So it's very hard for me." }, { "end_time": "1:53:37", "start_time": "1:53:35", "text": "I was like, how can I how old do we go back?" }, { "end_time": "1:53:41", "start_time": "1:53:38", "text": "I don't know, maybe 20, 27 or something." }, { "end_time": "1:53:43", "start_time": "1:53:42", "text": "How do I get back to that?" }, { "end_time": "1:53:46", "start_time": "1:53:43", "text": "And then I worked and I worked, I recruited other people." }, { "end_time": "1:53:54", "start_time": "1:53:47", "text": "And after that, like once the storm ended up, I noticed to myself actually it was a good thing." }, { "end_time": "1:53:57", "start_time": "1:53:54", "text": "I needed them to leave and to start with new employees." }, { "end_time": "1:54:02", "start_time": "1:53:57", "text": "It was very difficult on the moment, but for the life in the life of the company, that's been a good thing." }, { "end_time": "1:54:05", "start_time": "1:54:03", "text": "But you don't notice that when it happens." }, { "end_time": "1:54:09", "start_time": "1:54:05", "text": "You only see it very closely like, oh, I would suffer." }, { "end_time": "1:54:11", "start_time": "1:54:09", "text": "I was already working 14 hours a day." }, { "end_time": "1:54:15", "start_time": "1:54:11", "text": "No, I have to work even more and I will have a great customer and so on." }, { "end_time": "1:54:24", "start_time": "1:54:15", "text": "But it turns out to be a very good thing because it allows me to turn down the company, start again with people with a better mindset and do better things." }, { "end_time": "1:54:25", "start_time": "1:54:24", "text": "Any other moment?" }, { "end_time": "1:54:39", "start_time": "1:54:27", "text": "No, but it's the key things to get from that is that the most difficult times are usually what makes you better after or makes you learn something." }, { "end_time": "1:54:39", "start_time": "1:54:39", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:54:42", "start_time": "1:54:40", "text": "Fabian, thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:54:42", "start_time": "1:54:42", "text": "Thank you so much." }, { "end_time": "1:54:44", "start_time": "1:54:42", "text": "That's all I was saying." }, { "end_time": "1:54:46", "start_time": "1:54:44", "text": "I asked you my own questions, man." }, { "end_time": "1:54:50", "start_time": "1:54:46", "text": "Like, I think India needed a bit of a global business perspective." }, { "end_time": "1:54:50", "start_time": "1:54:50", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:54:54", "start_time": "1:54:50", "text": "First time we're doing that on the show, I enjoyed every bit of this conversation." }, { "end_time": "1:54:59", "start_time": "1:54:54", "text": "There wasn't even one part where I got bored because you gave such different perspectives, man." }, { "end_time": "1:55:09", "start_time": "1:54:59", "text": "So, usually at the end of my podcast, I compliment the guest on something I picked up about the person through the course of this episode, but I've already told you on my conference." }, { "end_time": "1:55:11", "start_time": "1:55:10", "text": "You have to stop complimenting." }, { "end_time": "1:55:14", "start_time": "1:55:13", "text": "I've been too nice to you." }, { "end_time": "1:55:15", "start_time": "1:55:14", "text": "It's too much." }, { "end_time": "1:55:15", "start_time": "1:55:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:55:18", "start_time": "1:55:15", "text": "But, I really appreciate your time." }, { "end_time": "1:55:20", "start_time": "1:55:19", "text": "That's the biggest compliment I can give you." }, { "end_time": "1:55:22", "start_time": "1:55:20", "text": "I totally know how busy you might be." }, { "end_time": "1:55:27", "start_time": "1:55:23", "text": "And all I'll say is this will add value to lives for, like, 10, 20 years at least." }, { "end_time": "1:55:28", "start_time": "1:55:27", "text": "So thank you, Fabian." }, { "end_time": "1:55:30", "start_time": "1:55:28", "text": "Thank you for having me." }, { "end_time": "1:55:31", "start_time": "1:55:30", "text": "And we will see you very soon." }, { "end_time": "1:55:32", "start_time": "1:55:31", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:55:33", "start_time": "1:55:32", "text": "That was the episode for today." }, { "end_time": "1:55:37", "start_time": "1:55:33", "text": "Please go and follow Fabian on all his social media handles." }, { "end_time": "1:55:38", "start_time": "1:55:37", "text": "I've linked it down below." }, { "end_time": "1:55:43", "start_time": "1:55:38", "text": "I'd love for you guys to tell me what you thought of today's conversation." }, { "end_time": "1:55:46", "start_time": "1:55:43", "text": "I absolutely adore doing business conversations." }, { "end_time": "1:56:01", "start_time": "1:55:46", "text": "I love learning from people who aren't Indian because sometimes I feel like when you get to hear perspectives that are completely different from the perspectives we hear all around us, it forces you to question the stuff you've heard until that point." }, { "end_time": "1:56:07", "start_time": "1:56:01", "text": "Of course, no one's completely right or wrong, but it's very, very important to get these kind of data points." }, { "end_time": "1:56:15", "start_time": "1:56:07", "text": "So throughout these three hours of speaking with Fabian, I found my preconceived notions being a little bit challenged." }, { "end_time": "1:56:18", "start_time": "1:56:15", "text": "The way I looked at business definitely changed after this conversation." }, { "end_time": "1:56:23", "start_time": "1:56:18", "text": "The way I look at international expansion of my business has changed very drastically." }, { "end_time": "1:56:26", "start_time": "1:56:24", "text": "So personally for me in this podcast, I gained value." }, { "end_time": "1:56:28", "start_time": "1:56:26", "text": "I hope that this reaches the right audiences." }, { "end_time": "1:56:39", "start_time": "1:56:28", "text": "I hope that every Indian entrepreneur comes across this conversation because I personally felt like there was a lot to learn as is the case with TRS always." }, { "end_time": "1:56:43", "start_time": "1:56:39", "text": "Every conversation is an extraction of knowledge, data, and experiences." }, { "end_time": "1:56:45", "start_time": "1:56:44", "text": "Make sure you keep supporting." }, { "end_time": "1:56:49", "start_time": "1:56:45", "text": "Make sure you check out our massive library of podcasts as well." }, { "end_time": "1:56:50", "start_time": "1:56:49", "text": "TRS will be back soon." }, { "end_time": "1:56:56", "start_time": "1:56:50", "text": "Ranveer will be back soon, and we'll bring you another explosive episode of the Ranveer Show." } ] }

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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:00", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "Doctor." }, { "end_time": "0:05", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "Radhakrishnan Pillai is someone who's written more than 15 books on the topic of Chanakya." }, { "end_time": "0:06", "start_time": "0:05", "text": "Who was Chanakya?" }, { "end_time": "0:11", "start_time": "0:06", "text": "He's considered one of the all time greatest brains that this country has ever produced." }, { "end_time": "0:16", "start_time": "0:11", "text": "The knowledge that he spread, his teachings have actually lived on years after he passed away." }, { "end_time": "0:18", "start_time": "0:16", "text": "That's the greatness of that man." }, { "end_time": "0:22", "start_time": "0:18", "text": "So imagine all that knowledge of Chanakya being boiled down to one book called the Chanakya Neeti." }, { "end_time": "0:27", "start_time": "0:22", "text": "And then imagine all the knowledge of that one book being boiled down to a basic podcast." }, { "end_time": "0:30", "start_time": "0:28", "text": "That's what this episode of the R and B show is." }, { "end_time": "0:34", "start_time": "0:30", "text": "This is your personal mentorship session from doctor Radhakrishnan Pillai." }, { "end_time": "0:36", "start_time": "0:34", "text": "By the end of it, you're gonna elevate your consciousness." }, { "end_time": "0:38", "start_time": "0:36", "text": "You're gonna elevate your mind." }, { "end_time": "0:48", "start_time": "0:38", "text": "You're gonna elevate your thought process because you're gonna get access to one of the nation's best minds both in the form of Chanakya and Chanakya reincarnated according to me doctor Radhakrishnan Pillai." }, { "end_time": "0:49", "start_time": "0:48", "text": "Enjoy the episode." }, { "end_time": "1:02", "start_time": "0:58", "text": "Welcome to another very value adding episode of the Ranveesho." }, { "end_time": "1:08", "start_time": "1:02", "text": "They say that the smartest individual in the history of India was this person called Chanakya." }, { "end_time": "1:17", "start_time": "1:08", "text": "And I say that one of the smartest men in India is this person called doctor Radhakrishnan Phyllisar, who is also the modern day expert on Chanakya." }, { "end_time": "1:20", "start_time": "1:18", "text": "And many people consider you Chanakya reborn." }, { "end_time": "1:24", "start_time": "1:21", "text": "Also that was the title of a video we did together." }, { "end_time": "1:24", "start_time": "1:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:29", "start_time": "1:25", "text": "So the title of this episode of the Ranvee show is again related to Chanakya." }, { "end_time": "1:32", "start_time": "1:30", "text": "It's a top five learnings from the Chanakya Niti." }, { "end_time": "1:33", "start_time": "1:32", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "1:45", "start_time": "1:33", "text": "So, before we get into the actual learnings, which will help people benefit, you know, modern day hustlers benefit, I wanna ask you a brief history on and the." }, { "end_time": "1:58", "start_time": "1:46", "text": "So first of all, thanks a lot for bringing me back into this particular show because I've enjoyed your show so much that, is so fulfilling for me when I'm this in this particular studio." }, { "end_time": "2:05", "start_time": "1:58", "text": "And I'm glad you're speaking on the topic, which is my life commitment to that is Chanakay and is Chanakya Neti." }, { "end_time": "2:05", "start_time": "2:05", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "2:08", "start_time": "2:06", "text": "Coming back, everybody knows about Chanakya." }, { "end_time": "2:11", "start_time": "2:08", "text": "You know, there are so much, we can learn from Chanakya." }, { "end_time": "2:13", "start_time": "2:12", "text": "So I like to talk about 2 basic things." }, { "end_time": "2:17", "start_time": "2:13", "text": "1 is the story part of Chanakya and the second is the strategy part of Chanakya." }, { "end_time": "2:21", "start_time": "2:17", "text": "So I think, Chanakya lived in 3rd century BC." }, { "end_time": "2:23", "start_time": "2:21", "text": "He was a king maker of Chandragupta Maurya." }, { "end_time": "2:26", "start_time": "2:23", "text": "He defeated Alexander, blah blah blah blah." }, { "end_time": "2:32", "start_time": "2:26", "text": "So everything is quite known and there are so much content available on YouTube etcetera so you can watch it." }, { "end_time": "2:35", "start_time": "2:32", "text": "But what I'm gonna talk about the second part of it which is his work being documented." }, { "end_time": "2:37", "start_time": "2:35", "text": "So it is said that he wrote 2 books." }, { "end_time": "2:41", "start_time": "2:37", "text": "1 is called the Kautilya's Arthashastra and the second one is called Chanakya Niti." }, { "end_time": "2:47", "start_time": "2:41", "text": "The difference between these two is Kautilya Arthashastra has got 6,000 sutras or formulas of how to run a kingdom." }, { "end_time": "2:50", "start_time": "2:47", "text": "So I would say it's almost like a raja vidya, means for the leaders." }, { "end_time": "2:52", "start_time": "2:50", "text": "Does it also apply to business?" }, { "end_time": "2:52", "start_time": "2:52", "text": "It does." }, { "end_time": "2:58", "start_time": "2:52", "text": "In fact, I've written quite a few books on application of Arthashastra into the real life including business." }, { "end_time": "3:08", "start_time": "2:59", "text": "The second book is called Chanakya Neti and it's a book which consists around 350 odd sutras to 350 odd versus 6,000 that's the difference." }, { "end_time": "3:20", "start_time": "3:09", "text": "So scholars say that Arthashastra was written for the kings, the classes while Chanakyaniti was written for the masses And it is very practical in nature." }, { "end_time": "3:32", "start_time": "3:20", "text": "It talks about how a person should live his daily life, you know, what he should do and it talks about lot of aspects of human being, right, from being a good student to actually being a good householder, you know, how do you earn money ethically." }, { "end_time": "3:35", "start_time": "3:33", "text": "It talks about also the spiritual side of it." }, { "end_time": "3:50", "start_time": "3:35", "text": "It also talks about parenting and very practical tips on, you know, how to be careful in life, how to choose your friends, how to actually make sure that you're giving money also donation to the right people never to get fooled etcetera etcetera." }, { "end_time": "4:02", "start_time": "3:50", "text": "So coming back, Chanakkal Neti is definitely a book, but, if you look at the two words, Chanakkal and Niti, I would like to sum it up by saying that Chanakkal was a person, of course, but Niti by itself has got lot of meanings." }, { "end_time": "4:09", "start_time": "4:03", "text": "Niti means policy, Niti means the way to go, Niti means strategy, Niti means plan." }, { "end_time": "4:12", "start_time": "4:09", "text": "So if you look at the word Niti in Sanskrit, it got various meanings." }, { "end_time": "4:18", "start_time": "4:12", "text": "I would say Chanakya's planning, Chanakya's way of teaching, Chanakya's strategies, etcetera, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "4:23", "start_time": "4:18", "text": "So I'm specifically talking about the book called Chanakya Neeti, which was written by Chanakya many years ago." }, { "end_time": "4:29", "start_time": "4:23", "text": "And I've been fortunate that I've also written a version of Chanakya's Neeti in Radhakrishnan Pillay's explanation of it also." }, { "end_time": "4:30", "start_time": "4:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:41", "start_time": "4:30", "text": "So so what will a person gain from going through your book on the chana keniti or just having information about like if they are at point a before reading and at point b, what will they become?" }, { "end_time": "4:43", "start_time": "4:41", "text": "Definitely, there'll be benefit." }, { "end_time": "4:56", "start_time": "4:43", "text": "It's like going to a school and, you started attending the first standard and after a year you got passed out the 2nd standard and you'll see the difference in you because chana ke neeti helps you to think differently." }, { "end_time": "5:00", "start_time": "4:56", "text": "So if you think differently, you do the same things differently." }, { "end_time": "5:03", "start_time": "5:00", "text": "You figure out better strategy or faster ways of doing it?" }, { "end_time": "5:04", "start_time": "5:03", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "5:07", "start_time": "5:04", "text": "So I think Chanakaniti is all about strategies, policies." }, { "end_time": "5:14", "start_time": "5:07", "text": "So by learning Chanakaniti, a lot of people for centuries have got benefited and I'm sure you will." }, { "end_time": "5:15", "start_time": "5:14", "text": "So let me give you an example." }, { "end_time": "5:19", "start_time": "5:15", "text": "One of my teachers, used to tell me this, you know, and you know which is India's best selling book?" }, { "end_time": "5:21", "start_time": "5:19", "text": "I said, okay." }, { "end_time": "5:22", "start_time": "5:21", "text": "What a strange question." }, { "end_time": "5:23", "start_time": "5:22", "text": "Actually it's Chanakya Niti." }, { "end_time": "5:27", "start_time": "5:23", "text": "I said, go anywhere, you'll find a version of Chanakya Niti, you know." }, { "end_time": "5:30", "start_time": "5:27", "text": "So you'll find in a bookstore, you can find it there." }, { "end_time": "5:33", "start_time": "5:30", "text": "Now coming back to my Chanakya Niti, how is it different from the others?" }, { "end_time": "5:43", "start_time": "5:33", "text": "So so 650 sutra or formulas are still the same, but what happens is that in lot of the books that we have is that the Sanskrit and they translate into English, but we have done something very different." }, { "end_time": "5:46", "start_time": "5:43", "text": "We have given explanation of all of them in detail." }, { "end_time": "5:55", "start_time": "5:46", "text": "So let me give you an example and then we'll talk about how it is gonna benefit you from point a to point b and of course the 5 points that you should take away from this particular video." }, { "end_time": "6:02", "start_time": "5:55", "text": "So let me start by saying that very simple sutra or strategy, be careful from 3 things." }, { "end_time": "6:10", "start_time": "6:03", "text": "Okay and it continues by saying if you know how to use them, it will be beneficial." }, { "end_time": "6:12", "start_time": "6:10", "text": "If you misuse them, they will finish you." }, { "end_time": "6:15", "start_time": "6:13", "text": "Okay, so the first one is fire." }, { "end_time": "6:19", "start_time": "6:16", "text": "So fire, you should know how to use it because in every house there is fire right?" }, { "end_time": "6:24", "start_time": "6:19", "text": "So we warm up the house, we require for cooking that's why when you enter a house also, it's called housewarming." }, { "end_time": "6:29", "start_time": "6:24", "text": "But if you don't know how to manage that fire, it can burn up your whole house." }, { "end_time": "6:32", "start_time": "6:29", "text": "So be careful from fire, but it can help you or destroy you." }, { "end_time": "6:33", "start_time": "6:32", "text": "2nd is called king." }, { "end_time": "6:35", "start_time": "6:34", "text": "King." }, { "end_time": "6:40", "start_time": "6:35", "text": "You're too close to a king, then it's good but you know, if you misuse the king, they'll destroy you." }, { "end_time": "6:47", "start_time": "6:40", "text": "So people you know who are around powerful people should be careful that they may suddenly tell you okay, you're promoted and you go and take charge of this particular kingdom." }, { "end_time": "6:48", "start_time": "6:47", "text": "So a king can make you a king." }, { "end_time": "6:53", "start_time": "6:49", "text": "The thing is that if you take the king for granted, they will finish off your career and your life once and for all." }, { "end_time": "6:56", "start_time": "6:53", "text": "So powerful, they can destroy or make you." }, { "end_time": "6:59", "start_time": "6:56", "text": "Chanakya says the third thing also, snake." }, { "end_time": "7:01", "start_time": "7:00", "text": "Be careful from a snake, I understand." }, { "end_time": "7:03", "start_time": "7:02", "text": "But it can actually help you in what way?" }, { "end_time": "7:10", "start_time": "7:04", "text": "Are you aware of it, that actually in the army, people are trained to catch snakes." }, { "end_time": "7:12", "start_time": "7:11", "text": "You know what is the logic?" }, { "end_time": "7:19", "start_time": "7:12", "text": "Because let's say in the army, you're in the jungle and especially when you're on a mission and you're going to a deep jungle, you feel hungry, right?" }, { "end_time": "7:26", "start_time": "7:20", "text": "So they will look around and probably they will find a fruit or a flower." }, { "end_time": "7:52", "start_time": "7:26", "text": "The fruit may look good, very exotic but you're not sure it's poisonous but you know you're feeling hungry, you need to survive so there could be a lot of things around but the beautiful part is that every particular jungle will have a snake but the snake can bite you that's a danger so you have to be careful of the snake but do you know if you know how to catch the snake and maybe just you know take away the poisonous part of it the whole snake body you can actually eat Okay." }, { "end_time": "7:55", "start_time": "7:52", "text": "So it actually becomes like a survival in the jungle." }, { "end_time": "8:03", "start_time": "7:55", "text": "I'm not here saying that you know, we snake eaters, but the logic is that be careful from a snake, but it can also useful to you in the most difficult situations." }, { "end_time": "8:04", "start_time": "8:04", "text": "Practical?" }, { "end_time": "8:09", "start_time": "8:05", "text": "So Chanakal says 3 things, make careful from fire, king and a snake." }, { "end_time": "8:12", "start_time": "8:10", "text": "Now look at this, you can actually practically apply it." }, { "end_time": "8:19", "start_time": "8:12", "text": "So when you are in front of your bosses, you said okay, I'm close to him, it'll give me warmth but don't cross that line, that lakshman rekha." }, { "end_time": "8:22", "start_time": "8:19", "text": "Same thing, it all goes to fire etcetera etcetera." }, { "end_time": "8:29", "start_time": "8:22", "text": "So I'm just giving one example out of 350 ideas about how you can be successful and careful in life." }, { "end_time": "8:33", "start_time": "8:29", "text": "In fact, to be successful, you should be careful in life and very careful in life." }, { "end_time": "8:39", "start_time": "8:34", "text": "So so coming to the 5, top learnings of the channel can we give?" }, { "end_time": "8:44", "start_time": "8:39", "text": "So I think every 350 sutras are all taught by itself, but you know, we'll limit it to 5." }, { "end_time": "8:45", "start_time": "8:44", "text": "Sutra is what?" }, { "end_time": "8:46", "start_time": "8:45", "text": "It's like a yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:47", "start_time": "8:46", "text": "Like what is a sutra?" }, { "end_time": "8:48", "start_time": "8:47", "text": "Sutra is like a formula." }, { "end_time": "8:48", "start_time": "8:48", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "8:51", "start_time": "8:48", "text": "So for example, e is equal to MC Square." }, { "end_time": "8:51", "start_time": "8:51", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "8:53", "start_time": "8:51", "text": "So Chanakar wrote 350 formulas for life." }, { "end_time": "8:54", "start_time": "8:53", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "8:54", "start_time": "8:54", "text": "You got it right." }, { "end_time": "8:56", "start_time": "8:54", "text": "And they can be applied everywhere." }, { "end_time": "8:56", "start_time": "8:56", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "8:59", "start_time": "8:57", "text": "So what would what would be like your top five sutras?" }, { "end_time": "9:02", "start_time": "9:00", "text": "So I will start with something which is very close to my heart." }, { "end_time": "9:02", "start_time": "9:02", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "9:03", "start_time": "9:02", "text": "Which is on parenting." }, { "end_time": "9:04", "start_time": "9:03", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "9:09", "start_time": "9:04", "text": "We'll have 2 lovely kids, but just because the kids are good, doesn't mean you are a good parent." }, { "end_time": "9:16", "start_time": "9:09", "text": "And so I've always look at one of the very basic formulas, sutras that Janaka spoke about parenting in a very simple line." }, { "end_time": "9:24", "start_time": "9:16", "text": "He says, for the first 5 years love the child, next 10 years discipline him and after that consider them your friends." }, { "end_time": "9:26", "start_time": "9:26", "text": "Formula?" }, { "end_time": "9:27", "start_time": "9:26", "text": "Simple three liners." }, { "end_time": "9:30", "start_time": "9:28", "text": "So let me explain that to you." }, { "end_time": "9:35", "start_time": "9:30", "text": "So when a child is small, it's very lovely, cute, so you can only love the child, you know." }, { "end_time": "9:40", "start_time": "9:35", "text": "Suppose you got a latest mobile and you just banged it, you can't do anything about it, just love the child unconditionally." }, { "end_time": "9:54", "start_time": "9:41", "text": "But the moment the child is 5 years old and upwards, its intellect starts developing it, you know, and it's a very dangerous trend today happening because a lot of parents just allow children to do anything that they want and actually that's bad parenting." }, { "end_time": "9:59", "start_time": "9:54", "text": "So what Chanak is is that now you need to actually use discipline and discipline doesn't mean beating, okay." }, { "end_time": "10:09", "start_time": "9:59", "text": "The ability to say no is also important for a parent because if you say yes, yes, yes, he will never understand what does no and that can actually lead to failures in life." }, { "end_time": "10:14", "start_time": "10:09", "text": "So discipline the child for the next 10 years and after that consider him or her as your friend." }, { "end_time": "10:19", "start_time": "10:14", "text": "The biggest problem that we have, especially in a country like India, the child may be 70 years old." }, { "end_time": "10:22", "start_time": "10:19", "text": "Now the 90 year old parent is still." }, { "end_time": "10:25", "start_time": "10:22", "text": "After 15 years, you are fully grown." }, { "end_time": "10:29", "start_time": "10:25", "text": "Of course, life experiences may not be that big, yet you're a full adult." }, { "end_time": "10:32", "start_time": "10:30", "text": "So look at this formula which has helped me." }, { "end_time": "10:37", "start_time": "10:32", "text": "So first one is that love your child 5 years, discipline 10 years and then consider them your friends." }, { "end_time": "10:42", "start_time": "10:37", "text": "I think full parenting at the best level for 15 years." }, { "end_time": "10:45", "start_time": "10:42", "text": "Now coming back to the 5 points that you're talking about." }, { "end_time": "10:51", "start_time": "10:45", "text": "I like to summarize, from the all the experiences that I have gone through by reading, studying Chanakya." }, { "end_time": "10:57", "start_time": "10:51", "text": "The first niti, the first Chanakya niti to have a successful life is to have a purpose in life." }, { "end_time": "11:09", "start_time": "10:59", "text": "Lot of people, you know, live like a common person, probably they're highly educated, but you look at them, they're very dull and they don't even have a reason to get up." }, { "end_time": "11:13", "start_time": "11:09", "text": "So they just pull themselves out and saying that okay, I study now, I need to get a job okay." }, { "end_time": "11:15", "start_time": "11:13", "text": "Now I got a job, I need to get married okay." }, { "end_time": "11:17", "start_time": "11:15", "text": "I need to get married, I need to have children." }, { "end_time": "11:21", "start_time": "11:17", "text": "Okay, that's good, but that's normal." }, { "end_time": "11:25", "start_time": "11:21", "text": "Successful people do all these also, but they have something beyond." }, { "end_time": "11:30", "start_time": "11:25", "text": "So the first question is that if you want to really be successful in life, ask yourself, what's your purpose?" }, { "end_time": "11:36", "start_time": "11:31", "text": "What is that for which you're ready to live and if necessary die?" }, { "end_time": "11:37", "start_time": "11:37", "text": "And it's not easy." }, { "end_time": "11:38", "start_time": "11:37", "text": "I understand that." }, { "end_time": "11:47", "start_time": "11:38", "text": "So I think there is a saying that the only purpose of a person's life is to have a purpose and everything falls into place." }, { "end_time": "11:53", "start_time": "11:47", "text": "So I think friends, Chanakya says what we call in modern day settings call it goal setting exercise." }, { "end_time": "12:00", "start_time": "11:54", "text": "So do something with yourself, sit down and you know, in our ancient old tradition, it's called finding your swadharma." }, { "end_time": "12:02", "start_time": "12:01", "text": "What am I born for?" }, { "end_time": "12:09", "start_time": "12:02", "text": "It's a very deep question, but if you actually go introspect and spend time with yourself, meditate, believe me the answer will come to you." }, { "end_time": "12:12", "start_time": "12:09", "text": "So I remember how I found my purpose in my life." }, { "end_time": "12:21", "start_time": "12:12", "text": "Believe me, I was at Kailash Mansarovar, live in the Himalayas and when I saw the Kailash mountain first, I've been always telling you know what are the purpose of my life." }, { "end_time": "12:31", "start_time": "12:21", "text": "The moment I saw Kailash mountain, it hit to me as if somebody was speaking to me, you know, I'm saying that please give your life to the study of Chanakya and his Arthashastra." }, { "end_time": "12:43", "start_time": "12:31", "text": "I just told my wife Surika saying that you know, I don't know whether it's a sound or it's a feeling, but I feel you know, I should dedicate my life to the promotion and the studies of Chanakya and Arthashastra." }, { "end_time": "12:51", "start_time": "12:44", "text": "She kept it very quietly to herself but whenever I have a problem, she always told me, remember you've got a purpose in your life." }, { "end_time": "12:53", "start_time": "12:52", "text": "People ask me, how are you so full of energy?" }, { "end_time": "12:55", "start_time": "12:53", "text": "I've written 15 books." }, { "end_time": "12:56", "start_time": "12:55", "text": "I'm still writing 8 books on Janakya." }, { "end_time": "12:58", "start_time": "12:57", "text": "Got involved in 2 movies." }, { "end_time": "13:00", "start_time": "12:59", "text": "I've been doing a lot of podcasts." }, { "end_time": "13:02", "start_time": "13:00", "text": "I'm teaching in universities across the globe." }, { "end_time": "13:07", "start_time": "13:03", "text": "Every single day, I'm at least giving 1 or 2 lectures or interviews or something like that." }, { "end_time": "13:10", "start_time": "13:07", "text": "So maybe how do you keep it going and say that I have a purpose in my life." }, { "end_time": "13:11", "start_time": "13:10", "text": "I've discovered it long ago." }, { "end_time": "13:15", "start_time": "13:12", "text": "A lot of people, even at the end of their life, they don't have a purpose." }, { "end_time": "13:20", "start_time": "13:15", "text": "So as they say, I was dead at 28 and I got buried at 80." }, { "end_time": "13:21", "start_time": "13:20", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "13:23", "start_time": "13:22", "text": "So think about it." }, { "end_time": "13:25", "start_time": "13:23", "text": "What is what is their state of mind?" }, { "end_time": "13:27", "start_time": "13:25", "text": "I think this is dragging on." }, { "end_time": "13:31", "start_time": "13:27", "text": "This is dragging on saying that, you know, maybe I have to just leave and do something very normal." }, { "end_time": "13:36", "start_time": "13:31", "text": "So I'm not saying that, you know, poor people have to live a normal life." }, { "end_time": "13:40", "start_time": "13:36", "text": "You can actually live an extraordinary life, not just an ordinary." }, { "end_time": "13:43", "start_time": "13:40", "text": "1st channel at kidney is to have a purpose, discover the purpose." }, { "end_time": "13:45", "start_time": "13:43", "text": "Go inside, get it." }, { "end_time": "13:46", "start_time": "13:45", "text": "Now Andi ji got it." }, { "end_time": "13:48", "start_time": "13:46", "text": "Well, he was pushed out from a train." }, { "end_time": "13:51", "start_time": "13:48", "text": "Maybe that instance, it comes when you say, this is for me." }, { "end_time": "13:53", "start_time": "13:51", "text": "It could be actually saving a girl child." }, { "end_time": "13:55", "start_time": "13:53", "text": "For everybody, it could be different." }, { "end_time": "13:55", "start_time": "13:55", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "13:56", "start_time": "13:55", "text": "It could be in sports." }, { "end_time": "14:00", "start_time": "13:56", "text": "For you for you, it could be YouTube and just broadcasting it day in and day out." }, { "end_time": "14:11", "start_time": "14:00", "text": "But if you have a purpose for which you will actually get up every day morning and as a p j Abdul Kalam sir said, you know, dreams are not that, what you see when you're sleeping, but dreams are those that don't allow you to sleep." }, { "end_time": "14:12", "start_time": "14:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:13", "start_time": "14:12", "text": "Formula number 1." }, { "end_time": "14:14", "start_time": "14:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:14", "start_time": "14:14", "text": "Chan activity." }, { "end_time": "14:23", "start_time": "14:15", "text": "You know, even in, like, daily life in our office, seem that like the best performers who've been with the organization for more than a year and a half, 2 years now." }, { "end_time": "14:28", "start_time": "14:23", "text": "Our guys who wake up in the morning with that intention of, okay, today I'm just going to create." }, { "end_time": "14:30", "start_time": "14:28", "text": "Today I'm just going to add value." }, { "end_time": "14:34", "start_time": "14:30", "text": "You know, it's that that the purpose can be as simple as just that." }, { "end_time": "14:34", "start_time": "14:34", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "14:39", "start_time": "14:34", "text": "It doesn't have to be, oh, I'm going to take over the world or you know, I'm going to teach, I'm going to make this master in the world." }, { "end_time": "14:40", "start_time": "14:39", "text": "It can be little things." }, { "end_time": "14:44", "start_time": "14:41", "text": "So, but you should put your mind on that one thing." }, { "end_time": "14:45", "start_time": "14:44", "text": "And it's all about that one thing." }, { "end_time": "14:46", "start_time": "14:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:47", "start_time": "14:46", "text": "You don't have to a 100 purposes." }, { "end_time": "14:49", "start_time": "14:47", "text": "You don't have that one." }, { "end_time": "14:49", "start_time": "14:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:51", "start_time": "14:49", "text": "And I'll tell you, it becomes easy." }, { "end_time": "14:52", "start_time": "14:51", "text": "I found that one channel." }, { "end_time": "14:53", "start_time": "14:52", "text": "That's enough." }, { "end_time": "14:54", "start_time": "14:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:59", "start_time": "14:54", "text": "Many people tell me also, you know, and we tell you why don't you now write your next book on maybe Ramayan Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:00", "start_time": "14:59", "text": "Or maybe something else." }, { "end_time": "15:01", "start_time": "15:00", "text": "I don't know why." }, { "end_time": "15:03", "start_time": "15:01", "text": "If something is working right, why change it?" }, { "end_time": "15:05", "start_time": "15:03", "text": "In fact, it has been mathematically proven." }, { "end_time": "15:07", "start_time": "15:05", "text": "It's called the game theory." }, { "end_time": "15:10", "start_time": "15:07", "text": "If you're already successful, don't be stupid to change it." }, { "end_time": "15:11", "start_time": "15:11", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "15:12", "start_time": "15:11", "text": "So it's doing well." }, { "end_time": "15:14", "start_time": "15:12", "text": "People what they do is they did already found their purpose." }, { "end_time": "15:15", "start_time": "15:14", "text": "They say, oh, I have it now." }, { "end_time": "15:17", "start_time": "15:15", "text": "Let me go to the other one and the other one." }, { "end_time": "15:20", "start_time": "15:17", "text": "Finally, you'll not be there in the first stage also." }, { "end_time": "15:22", "start_time": "15:20", "text": "Because like, you know, digging a well everywhere and finding no water." }, { "end_time": "15:22", "start_time": "15:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:23", "start_time": "15:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:23", "start_time": "15:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:25", "start_time": "15:23", "text": "So it's very important as you rightly pointed out." }, { "end_time": "15:27", "start_time": "15:25", "text": "Everyday if you wanna create a video Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:28", "start_time": "15:27", "text": "And that's your purpose." }, { "end_time": "15:36", "start_time": "15:28", "text": "We've we've had kids who have worked in the organization with that thing of no I want more or you know everything's too slow or maybe I'll be happy somewhere else." }, { "end_time": "15:43", "start_time": "15:36", "text": "And they go there, a mess gets created there and then they land up exactly without any water anyway." }, { "end_time": "15:43", "start_time": "15:43", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "15:49", "start_time": "15:43", "text": "So again, as a as a co founder of an organization also you see all these stories happening in front of you." }, { "end_time": "15:53", "start_time": "15:49", "text": "To kids you have groomed, you know, even if you've not made those mistakes, you see people making these mistakes." }, { "end_time": "15:53", "start_time": "15:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:55", "start_time": "15:53", "text": "But anyways, go on with the channel." }, { "end_time": "15:55", "start_time": "15:55", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "15:57", "start_time": "15:55", "text": "In fact, that actually connects to my second point." }, { "end_time": "15:58", "start_time": "15:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:58", "start_time": "15:58", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "15:59", "start_time": "15:58", "text": "The second channel." }, { "end_time": "16:01", "start_time": "15:59", "text": "Desire to learn." }, { "end_time": "16:02", "start_time": "16:01", "text": "So you got a purpose?" }, { "end_time": "16:09", "start_time": "16:02", "text": "Let's say I got a purpose that I want to maybe start an NGO that will going to feed, you know, hundreds of children." }, { "end_time": "16:12", "start_time": "16:09", "text": "But I am actually associated with an NGO called as a Roti Bank." }, { "end_time": "16:22", "start_time": "16:13", "text": "So Roti Bank is a very interesting, phenomenon where actually they are feeding the street children, and they're actually doing almost like a 1000000 children now or a bit of time." }, { "end_time": "16:26", "start_time": "16:23", "text": "But the thing is that if I have a purpose, that's the first step." }, { "end_time": "16:27", "start_time": "16:26", "text": "I don't know how the process works." }, { "end_time": "16:28", "start_time": "16:27", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "16:34", "start_time": "16:28", "text": "So if I'm gonna be a cricketer or a sportsman or a YouTuber for that particular matter, I said okay, I have found a purpose but I can't just jump into it." }, { "end_time": "16:35", "start_time": "16:34", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "16:37", "start_time": "16:35", "text": "So I need to have a desire to learn formally or informally." }, { "end_time": "16:39", "start_time": "16:37", "text": "So what people do is that go and join a course." }, { "end_time": "16:41", "start_time": "16:39", "text": "There are formal things." }, { "end_time": "16:45", "start_time": "16:41", "text": "So for example, you were to play cricket and you found your purpose in life, you still require a coach." }, { "end_time": "16:48", "start_time": "16:45", "text": "So go and join a cricket academy or a film academy or whatever." }, { "end_time": "16:49", "start_time": "16:48", "text": "Read books." }, { "end_time": "16:51", "start_time": "16:49", "text": "I mean or and see YouTube videos." }, { "end_time": "16:54", "start_time": "16:51", "text": "I think this generation got the advantage of actually getting knowledge free." }, { "end_time": "16:55", "start_time": "16:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:03", "start_time": "16:55", "text": "But you should be a student who says, you know, I'm a beginner even if you are an expert, you still should have a desire to learn because even at the top, there is something more to learn." }, { "end_time": "17:05", "start_time": "17:03", "text": "So the thing is that have a purpose." }, { "end_time": "17:08", "start_time": "17:05", "text": "The second is desire to learn and it can be multiple ways of learning." }, { "end_time": "17:15", "start_time": "17:09", "text": "Digital, formal, informal, you know, through books, through cinemas, through people, through people conversations." }, { "end_time": "17:16", "start_time": "17:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:16", "start_time": "17:16", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:16", "start_time": "17:16", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "17:17", "start_time": "17:16", "text": "So I'm learning from you also." }, { "end_time": "17:28", "start_time": "17:17", "text": "So again, the big reason we started the podcast was for this exactly that, yes, I'll create content, but at the same time to each conversation on a personal level, I'm learning a lot, which then I can put out on my Hindi channel as well later." }, { "end_time": "17:29", "start_time": "17:28", "text": "Excellent." }, { "end_time": "17:30", "start_time": "17:29", "text": "So see, you have a purpose." }, { "end_time": "17:36", "start_time": "17:30", "text": "You have a desire to learn and you feel nice and more creative in your desire to learn." }, { "end_time": "17:36", "start_time": "17:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:39", "start_time": "17:36", "text": "Well you're saying, okay, there is something more, a different way of creating it." }, { "end_time": "17:39", "start_time": "17:39", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "17:40", "start_time": "17:39", "text": "So learn from experts." }, { "end_time": "17:50", "start_time": "17:40", "text": "The third point is also something connected and it's called having elders with you and the Sanskrit word for that is called vrddhasan yoga." }, { "end_time": "17:55", "start_time": "17:51", "text": "So one is purpose, certain desire to learn, but whom do you learn from?" }, { "end_time": "17:57", "start_time": "17:56", "text": "Learn only from experts." }, { "end_time": "17:59", "start_time": "17:58", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "18:00", "start_time": "17:59", "text": "Now please understand this." }, { "end_time": "18:03", "start_time": "18:01", "text": "Let us put life into 3 levels." }, { "end_time": "18:03", "start_time": "18:03", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "18:05", "start_time": "18:03", "text": "So let's say you're at level 5." }, { "end_time": "18:06", "start_time": "18:05", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "18:08", "start_time": "18:06", "text": "There could be people who are at level 3." }, { "end_time": "18:10", "start_time": "18:08", "text": "There are could be people who are at level 5." }, { "end_time": "18:12", "start_time": "18:10", "text": "There could be people who are level 10." }, { "end_time": "18:13", "start_time": "18:12", "text": "Somebody will learn from." }, { "end_time": "18:15", "start_time": "18:13", "text": "People say, I'm learning from everybody." }, { "end_time": "18:26", "start_time": "18:15", "text": "Okay, that's a nice desire to learn from everyone, but the reality is that let's say you're at level 5 of knowledge and experience and there is somebody who is at level 2 or 3 who comes to you." }, { "end_time": "18:30", "start_time": "18:27", "text": "Actually, you end up teaching that person." }, { "end_time": "18:32", "start_time": "18:31", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "18:37", "start_time": "18:32", "text": "And whatever he or she says, it's an input, but that's not actually an expert advice." }, { "end_time": "18:42", "start_time": "18:38", "text": "If you are at level 5 and the other person is also at level 5, you are actually equal friends." }, { "end_time": "18:46", "start_time": "18:42", "text": "You can discuss with each other sharing, but Janikin says no." }, { "end_time": "18:48", "start_time": "18:47", "text": "Was those people who are at level 10." }, { "end_time": "18:51", "start_time": "18:49", "text": "So let's say you have a 50 crore company." }, { "end_time": "18:53", "start_time": "18:51", "text": "You can have friends who are also at 50 crores." }, { "end_time": "18:56", "start_time": "18:53", "text": "There are, you know, people who are just startups maybe at 10 crores." }, { "end_time": "19:03", "start_time": "18:56", "text": "So you actually land up teaching the 10 crore guy how to be a 50 crore guy and we're discussing common problems with other friend who's at 50 crores." }, { "end_time": "19:07", "start_time": "19:03", "text": "But vrittasayoga is actually associating yourself with a 100 crore guy." }, { "end_time": "19:16", "start_time": "19:07", "text": "So then what happens is basically when you're surrounded with such people, automatically you raise your bar from a to b without any efforts." }, { "end_time": "19:22", "start_time": "19:16", "text": "So let's say in a week I'm spending at least 4 hours with people who are more experienced than me." }, { "end_time": "19:25", "start_time": "19:22", "text": "Just spend certain and don't even do anything, just watch them." }, { "end_time": "19:29", "start_time": "19:25", "text": "You'll be surprised since he's already at 100 crore and you're 50 crore, let's say, say, turn out of your company." }, { "end_time": "19:36", "start_time": "19:29", "text": "Just watch them, listen to their discussions Without your own knowledge, you actually turn around your company to 60 or 70 crores." }, { "end_time": "19:44", "start_time": "19:37", "text": "And it's a very easy way of actually being successful by being around those people who are more successful than you." }, { "end_time": "19:44", "start_time": "19:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:51", "start_time": "19:44", "text": "And when they say something, they're actually guiding you to actually break your barrier and go to the next level, go to the next orbit." }, { "end_time": "19:53", "start_time": "19:52", "text": "So think about this." }, { "end_time": "19:57", "start_time": "19:53", "text": "First is, purpose, desire to learn and learning from experts." }, { "end_time": "19:59", "start_time": "19:57", "text": "And here is a warning." }, { "end_time": "20:06", "start_time": "19:59", "text": "Many people actually get misled by 2 terms, opinion and expert advice." }, { "end_time": "20:09", "start_time": "20:06", "text": "So many people when they give opinions, you think that's an advice." }, { "end_time": "20:10", "start_time": "20:09", "text": "It is not an advice." }, { "end_time": "20:11", "start_time": "20:10", "text": "It is just an opinion." }, { "end_time": "20:18", "start_time": "20:11", "text": "It's a person who doesn't know anything, who feels A lot of market researchers get it wrong there." }, { "end_time": "20:21", "start_time": "20:18", "text": "So those are the common man and saying, what do you think the product will do well or no?" }, { "end_time": "20:28", "start_time": "20:21", "text": "So they may give a data, but the real insight is by those people who are telling you this will work and you don't have to go to statistical data." }, { "end_time": "20:34", "start_time": "20:28", "text": "So if you just go and ask Bill Gates how to create a successful business, you don't have to just ask 1 Bill Gates." }, { "end_time": "20:35", "start_time": "20:34", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "20:37", "start_time": "20:35", "text": "Not 20 people who are startups." }, { "end_time": "20:38", "start_time": "20:37", "text": "Startups are also important." }, { "end_time": "20:42", "start_time": "20:38", "text": "So please understand that expert advice is what is vidus and yoga." }, { "end_time": "20:48", "start_time": "20:42", "text": "So if you are already doing YouTube, would you like to learn from person who is already maybe 10 times bigger than you?" }, { "end_time": "20:49", "start_time": "20:49", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "20:52", "start_time": "20:49", "text": "So here is an advice which I read." }, { "end_time": "20:54", "start_time": "20:52", "text": "It's a very powerful sweet little advice." }, { "end_time": "21:02", "start_time": "20:54", "text": "It says, never take an advice from somebody who is not an expert." }, { "end_time": "21:05", "start_time": "21:03", "text": "This is our advice." }, { "end_time": "21:08", "start_time": "21:06", "text": "So if you want to take an advice, only take it from an expert." }, { "end_time": "21:13", "start_time": "21:08", "text": "So maybe they are costly, maybe to meet that particular person it will be delayed." }, { "end_time": "21:15", "start_time": "21:13", "text": "So suppose you were to go and meet Bill Gates." }, { "end_time": "21:17", "start_time": "21:16", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:25", "start_time": "21:17", "text": "I I feel like in the modern day, so it's not about, meeting the person because any successful person has the information available online." }, { "end_time": "21:25", "start_time": "21:25", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "21:26", "start_time": "21:25", "text": "That's the power of the internet." }, { "end_time": "21:29", "start_time": "21:26", "text": "If you if you search for it, it'll land up in your hands." }, { "end_time": "21:29", "start_time": "21:29", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "21:31", "start_time": "21:29", "text": "Make sure he's better and higher than you." }, { "end_time": "21:32", "start_time": "21:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:33", "start_time": "21:32", "text": "Do podcast." }, { "end_time": "21:34", "start_time": "21:33", "text": "Do internet." }, { "end_time": "21:34", "start_time": "21:34", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "21:35", "start_time": "21:34", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "21:35", "start_time": "21:35", "text": "Read books." }, { "end_time": "21:43", "start_time": "21:35", "text": "But 2020, finding information and finding mentorship from these people is not difficult." }, { "end_time": "21:43", "start_time": "21:43", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "21:44", "start_time": "21:43", "text": "I genuinely feel that." }, { "end_time": "21:46", "start_time": "21:44", "text": "Anyways, go on." }, { "end_time": "21:49", "start_time": "21:46", "text": "The 4th one, which actually Chanakya did, it's create institutions." }, { "end_time": "21:51", "start_time": "21:50", "text": "People don't understand." }, { "end_time": "21:51", "start_time": "21:51", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "21:56", "start_time": "21:51", "text": "Usually what happens is that when people start, it's always a one man show or a one woman show, whatever." }, { "end_time": "21:58", "start_time": "21:56", "text": "It's all about you, you, you." }, { "end_time": "22:00", "start_time": "21:58", "text": "But as you go, you reach a particular point." }, { "end_time": "22:03", "start_time": "22:00", "text": "So then I can't go higher without a team around me." }, { "end_time": "22:09", "start_time": "22:03", "text": "So, you know, and individually you may be good, but the next scale up happens when you, you know, do everything into a process system." }, { "end_time": "22:12", "start_time": "22:09", "text": "So that's when you start building teams, companies, institutions." }, { "end_time": "22:19", "start_time": "22:13", "text": "Otherwise, what will happen is you always recruit it as a one person, but you know, it's like, you know, being a good actor and actually creating a production company." }, { "end_time": "22:21", "start_time": "22:20", "text": "That's where the scale happens." }, { "end_time": "22:24", "start_time": "22:21", "text": "So a production company is gonna last beyond you." }, { "end_time": "22:29", "start_time": "22:24", "text": "And as an actor, you may have a time limit to your, you know, performance and things." }, { "end_time": "22:31", "start_time": "22:29", "text": "So the smarter guys, what did Chanak do?" }, { "end_time": "22:36", "start_time": "22:31", "text": "He create Chandragupta Maurya, but he also created systems and processes for the future Chandragupta Maurya's." }, { "end_time": "22:40", "start_time": "22:36", "text": "Because if you don't do that, what will happen exactly that it will die with you." }, { "end_time": "22:41", "start_time": "22:40", "text": "So I think it's very important to create institutions." }, { "end_time": "22:44", "start_time": "22:41", "text": "You know, Chanakya created a kingdom along with a king." }, { "end_time": "22:45", "start_time": "22:44", "text": "2 different things." }, { "end_time": "22:48", "start_time": "22:45", "text": "One is creating a king, but it's also creating a kingdom." }, { "end_time": "22:54", "start_time": "22:48", "text": "Now we come to the 5th and the final point and that is very important probably, we should practice it more often." }, { "end_time": "22:56", "start_time": "22:54", "text": "It is called documentation." }, { "end_time": "23:02", "start_time": "22:57", "text": "Documentation in various forms it could be written, it could be audio or video." }, { "end_time": "23:08", "start_time": "23:02", "text": "See what happens is that we had a habit which probably is not too much there in today's generation, it's called diary writing." }, { "end_time": "23:17", "start_time": "23:09", "text": "So every day what you learn, write it down and you'll be surprised when you do it every day, Let's say in a year you actually look at a diary, 3 65 days you written something." }, { "end_time": "23:18", "start_time": "23:17", "text": "I said wow!" }, { "end_time": "23:25", "start_time": "23:19", "text": "I'll tell you 2 things about successful people when they write it themselves, okay, they remembered after they are gone." }, { "end_time": "23:29", "start_time": "23:26", "text": "2 things, Chanakya himself wrote all his strategies." }, { "end_time": "23:33", "start_time": "23:29", "text": "Imagine if he had not written, there would have been a great person, but nobody knows what was happening in his mind." }, { "end_time": "23:40", "start_time": "23:34", "text": "In fact, if you look at all the great gurus, maybe you're talking about the book autobiography of yoga written by him, he's not there." }, { "end_time": "23:43", "start_time": "23:41", "text": "But Paramus Yogananda's book is documented." }, { "end_time": "23:45", "start_time": "23:44", "text": "All religions of the world are documented." }, { "end_time": "23:55", "start_time": "23:46", "text": "Do you know, this year we are actually celebrating 550th year, for guru, our guru Nanakji's birthday, guru Nanakji's birthday." }, { "end_time": "24:01", "start_time": "23:55", "text": "How many are aware that if you go to any Gudwara, they actually worship an image." }, { "end_time": "24:02", "start_time": "24:01", "text": "I mean, what is that?" }, { "end_time": "24:03", "start_time": "24:02", "text": "You know, are you aware of this?" }, { "end_time": "24:06", "start_time": "24:03", "text": "It's the Gurbani, his, his book, right?" }, { "end_time": "24:07", "start_time": "24:06", "text": "It's book." }, { "end_time": "24:12", "start_time": "24:07", "text": "And it actually the notes that, Guru Nanakji used to write every day." }, { "end_time": "24:12", "start_time": "24:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:16", "start_time": "24:12", "text": "So it finally the other gurus and all actually started adding, adding, adding." }, { "end_time": "24:18", "start_time": "24:16", "text": "So every learning he wrote it down." }, { "end_time": "24:20", "start_time": "24:18", "text": "And what happened to the 10th guru?" }, { "end_time": "24:23", "start_time": "24:21", "text": "He said from now on, there'll be no physical guru." }, { "end_time": "24:25", "start_time": "24:23", "text": "The book will be the guru." }, { "end_time": "24:25", "start_time": "24:25", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "24:29", "start_time": "24:25", "text": "Chana cannot run the Arthashastra, Chana lost his wisdom." }, { "end_time": "24:30", "start_time": "24:29", "text": "So it's very important, my dear friends." }, { "end_time": "24:31", "start_time": "24:30", "text": "Please write a book." }, { "end_time": "24:32", "start_time": "24:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:32", "start_time": "24:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:35", "start_time": "24:32", "text": "You will also write a book on being India's number one YouTuber." }, { "end_time": "24:36", "start_time": "24:35", "text": "So definitely say." }, { "end_time": "24:37", "start_time": "24:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:45", "start_time": "24:37", "text": "So looking at these particular points, you'll start realizing that life is about actually creating a legacy after you're gone." }, { "end_time": "24:53", "start_time": "24:45", "text": "Do you want to be successful only for a short time or you wanna be successful forever to that extent that generations to come will actually remember you?" }, { "end_time": "25:00", "start_time": "24:53", "text": "So these are the 5 things, purpose, desire to learn, learning from experts, building an institution." }, { "end_time": "25:06", "start_time": "25:01", "text": "And finally, the 5th point documented into a process that others can benefit after you're gone." }, { "end_time": "25:07", "start_time": "25:07", "text": "Crazy." }, { "end_time": "25:12", "start_time": "25:07", "text": "So, this is beautiful, but I have one burning question in my mind which I have to get out." }, { "end_time": "25:19", "start_time": "25:12", "text": "It is that, because you study Chanak in so much detail, what do you think that Chanak was thinking about on his deathbed?" }, { "end_time": "25:20", "start_time": "25:19", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "25:22", "start_time": "25:20", "text": "Now this is a question a lot of people ask me." }, { "end_time": "25:24", "start_time": "25:22", "text": "In fact, to the extent, how did Chanakya die?" }, { "end_time": "25:24", "start_time": "25:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:25", "start_time": "25:24", "text": "That as well." }, { "end_time": "25:28", "start_time": "25:25", "text": "So let me tell you, Chanakya had something called as Ichamaran." }, { "end_time": "25:31", "start_time": "25:30", "text": "You know what is Ichamaran?" }, { "end_time": "25:33", "start_time": "25:31", "text": "You can choose when you want to die." }, { "end_time": "25:33", "start_time": "25:33", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "25:36", "start_time": "25:34", "text": "Now Chanakya was probably very successful in his life." }, { "end_time": "25:40", "start_time": "25:36", "text": "And I think, for me, he's an ideal because he never had any regrets." }, { "end_time": "25:42", "start_time": "25:41", "text": "There are 2 kind of people who regret." }, { "end_time": "25:47", "start_time": "25:42", "text": "Number 1 is that people who don't know what to do in their life or never did anything in their life." }, { "end_time": "25:48", "start_time": "25:47", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "25:52", "start_time": "25:48", "text": "So I'm just lying on my deathbed and, you know, it is just dragging around like anybody else." }, { "end_time": "25:53", "start_time": "25:52", "text": "I did not do anything." }, { "end_time": "25:56", "start_time": "25:53", "text": "That's the first type of regret, not doing anything, contributing anything." }, { "end_time": "26:00", "start_time": "25:56", "text": "The second is those people who had a desire, but never got it fulfilled in their lifetime." }, { "end_time": "26:02", "start_time": "26:01", "text": "That's also regret, you know." }, { "end_time": "26:04", "start_time": "26:02", "text": "I started something but could not complete it." }, { "end_time": "26:08", "start_time": "26:04", "text": "But Chanakya actually was different because he completed both of them, had no regrets." }, { "end_time": "26:15", "start_time": "26:08", "text": "Namabamuni had a purpose in my life, in his life and that was to create a whole empire called the Bharat Warsha." }, { "end_time": "26:16", "start_time": "26:15", "text": "He created that." }, { "end_time": "26:19", "start_time": "26:16", "text": "What is important that he did it in his his lifetime before dying." }, { "end_time": "26:21", "start_time": "26:19", "text": "Not many people are lucky." }, { "end_time": "26:26", "start_time": "26:21", "text": "People have goals and they say, you know, I will sow a seed and maybe my grandchildren will enjoy it." }, { "end_time": "26:30", "start_time": "26:26", "text": "Of course, the grandchildren should enjoy it, but why not you in your own lifetime?" }, { "end_time": "26:37", "start_time": "26:30", "text": "So if you look at what was Chanakya thinking during his deathbed, probably he's saying that thank you for everything." }, { "end_time": "26:40", "start_time": "26:37", "text": "Now I'm gonna leave very successfully and peacefully." }, { "end_time": "26:43", "start_time": "26:41", "text": "If on death bed, you can say I have no regrets." }, { "end_time": "26:44", "start_time": "26:43", "text": "I'll live in my life." }, { "end_time": "26:46", "start_time": "26:44", "text": "Well, I think that's called a successful life." }, { "end_time": "26:47", "start_time": "26:46", "text": "Beautiful." }, { "end_time": "26:48", "start_time": "26:47", "text": "Thank you, doctor Radhakrishnan." }, { "end_time": "26:49", "start_time": "26:49", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "26:51", "start_time": "26:49", "text": "Another gorgeous podcast with you." }, { "end_time": "26:56", "start_time": "26:51", "text": "Obviously, guys, I'll be linking all of those books on Chanakya and his latest book on the Chanakya Niti down below." }, { "end_time": "26:57", "start_time": "26:57", "text": "Make sure you check it out." }, { "end_time": "26:59", "start_time": "26:57", "text": "Make you follow us on all these handles." }, { "end_time": "27:03", "start_time": "26:59", "text": "And until next time from doctor Radhakrishnan Thalai and Ranveer Allahabad." }, { "end_time": "27:04", "start_time": "27:03", "text": "Thank you, sir." } ] }

[ { "content": "**Task Description:** \nYou are provided with a YouTube video transcript in JSON format, where each entry is synchronized with its respective timestamp. This transcript contains the spoken text along with its start and end times. Your objective is to generate high-quality, chapter-wise segments that accurately represent key points or transitions within the video.\n\n**Transcript JSON Format:** \nThe transcript is formatted as a list of dictionaries, where each dictionary represents a spoken sentence, including its text and corresponding start and end times.\n\n**Example Transcript:** \n```json\n[\n {\n \"text\": \"The narrative in the public eye is that you left working with the Modi government because your opinions weren't heard.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:07\"\n },\n {\n \"text\": \"I want to know your side of the story.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:08\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:10\"\n },\n ...\n]\n```\n\n**Your Task:** \nUsing the given transcript, generate a JSON output that breaks down the video into meaningful chapters. Each chapter should encapsulate a key segment of the video and be accompanied by a concise, informative title that reflects the essence of that segment.\n\n**Chapter JSON Format:** \nThe output should follow this structure:\n```json\n{\n \"chapters\": [\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"title\": \"Introduction and Opening Remarks\"\n },\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:07\",\n \"title\": \"Discussing the Exit from Modi Government\"\n },\n ...\n ]\n}\n```\n\n**Requirements:** \n1. **Identify Key Segments:** Extract significant portions of the transcript that represent shifts in topic, important discussions, or transitions in conversation.\n2. **Craft Informative Titles:** Each chapter title should be clear, engaging, and directly related to the content covered in that segment.\n3. **Preserve Time Stamps:** Ensure that each chapter's `start_time` corresponds to the first instance of a key topic or segment in the transcript.\n4. **Conciseness is Key:** While titles should be descriptive, avoid making them overly lengthy. Aim for a balance between informativeness and brevity.", "role": "system" }, { "content": "{'transcripts': array([{'end_time': '0:00', 'start_time': '0:00', 'text': 'Doctor.'},\n {'end_time': '0:05', 'start_time': '0:00', 'text': \"Radhakrishnan Pillai is someone who's written more than 15 books on the topic of Chanakya.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:06', 'start_time': '0:05', 'text': 'Who was Chanakya?'},\n {'end_time': '0:11', 'start_time': '0:06', 'text': \"He's considered one of the all time greatest brains that this country has ever produced.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:16', 'start_time': '0:11', 'text': 'The knowledge that he spread, his teachings have actually lived on years after he passed away.'},\n {'end_time': '0:18', 'start_time': '0:16', 'text': \"That's the greatness of that man.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:22', 'start_time': '0:18', 'text': 'So imagine all that knowledge of Chanakya being boiled down to one book called the Chanakya Neeti.'},\n {'end_time': '0:27', 'start_time': '0:22', 'text': 'And then imagine all the knowledge of that one book being boiled down to a basic podcast.'},\n {'end_time': '0:30', 'start_time': '0:28', 'text': \"That's what this episode of the R and B show is.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:34', 'start_time': '0:30', 'text': 'This is your personal mentorship session from doctor Radhakrishnan Pillai.'},\n {'end_time': '0:36', 'start_time': '0:34', 'text': \"By the end of it, you're gonna elevate your consciousness.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:38', 'start_time': '0:36', 'text': \"You're gonna elevate your mind.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:48', 'start_time': '0:38', 'text': \"You're gonna elevate your thought process because you're gonna get access to one of the nation's best minds both in the form of Chanakya and Chanakya reincarnated according to me doctor Radhakrishnan Pillai.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:49', 'start_time': '0:48', 'text': 'Enjoy the episode.'},\n {'end_time': '1:02', 'start_time': '0:58', 'text': 'Welcome to another very value adding episode of the Ranveesho.'},\n {'end_time': '1:08', 'start_time': '1:02', 'text': 'They say that the smartest individual in the history of India was this person called Chanakya.'},\n {'end_time': '1:17', 'start_time': '1:08', 'text': 'And I say that one of the smartest men in India is this person called doctor Radhakrishnan Phyllisar, who is also the modern day expert on Chanakya.'},\n {'end_time': '1:20', 'start_time': '1:18', 'text': 'And many people consider you Chanakya reborn.'},\n {'end_time': '1:24', 'start_time': '1:21', 'text': 'Also that was the title of a video we did together.'},\n {'end_time': '1:24', 'start_time': '1:24', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '1:29', 'start_time': '1:25', 'text': 'So the title of this episode of the Ranvee show is again related to Chanakya.'},\n {'end_time': '1:32', 'start_time': '1:30', 'text': \"It's a top five learnings from the Chanakya Niti.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:33', 'start_time': '1:32', 'text': 'Yep.'},\n {'end_time': '1:45', 'start_time': '1:33', 'text': 'So, before we get into the actual learnings, which will help people benefit, you know, modern day hustlers benefit, I wanna ask you a brief history on and the.'},\n {'end_time': '1:58', 'start_time': '1:46', 'text': \"So first of all, thanks a lot for bringing me back into this particular show because I've enjoyed your show so much that, is so fulfilling for me when I'm this in this particular studio.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:05', 'start_time': '1:58', 'text': \"And I'm glad you're speaking on the topic, which is my life commitment to that is Chanakay and is Chanakya Neti.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:05', 'start_time': '2:05', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '2:08', 'start_time': '2:06', 'text': 'Coming back, everybody knows about Chanakya.'},\n {'end_time': '2:11', 'start_time': '2:08', 'text': 'You know, there are so much, we can learn from Chanakya.'},\n {'end_time': '2:13', 'start_time': '2:12', 'text': 'So I like to talk about 2 basic things.'},\n {'end_time': '2:17', 'start_time': '2:13', 'text': '1 is the story part of Chanakya and the second is the strategy part of Chanakya.'},\n {'end_time': '2:21', 'start_time': '2:17', 'text': 'So I think, Chanakya lived in 3rd century BC.'},\n {'end_time': '2:23', 'start_time': '2:21', 'text': 'He was a king maker of Chandragupta Maurya.'},\n {'end_time': '2:26', 'start_time': '2:23', 'text': 'He defeated Alexander, blah blah blah blah.'},\n {'end_time': '2:32', 'start_time': '2:26', 'text': 'So everything is quite known and there are so much content available on YouTube etcetera so you can watch it.'},\n {'end_time': '2:35', 'start_time': '2:32', 'text': \"But what I'm gonna talk about the second part of it which is his work being documented.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:37', 'start_time': '2:35', 'text': 'So it is said that he wrote 2 books.'},\n {'end_time': '2:41', 'start_time': '2:37', 'text': \"1 is called the Kautilya's Arthashastra and the second one is called Chanakya Niti.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:47', 'start_time': '2:41', 'text': 'The difference between these two is Kautilya Arthashastra has got 6,000 sutras or formulas of how to run a kingdom.'},\n {'end_time': '2:50', 'start_time': '2:47', 'text': \"So I would say it's almost like a raja vidya, means for the leaders.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:52', 'start_time': '2:50', 'text': 'Does it also apply to business?'},\n {'end_time': '2:52', 'start_time': '2:52', 'text': 'It does.'},\n {'end_time': '2:58', 'start_time': '2:52', 'text': \"In fact, I've written quite a few books on application of Arthashastra into the real life including business.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:08', 'start_time': '2:59', 'text': \"The second book is called Chanakya Neti and it's a book which consists around 350 odd sutras to 350 odd versus 6,000 that's the difference.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:20', 'start_time': '3:09', 'text': 'So scholars say that Arthashastra was written for the kings, the classes while Chanakyaniti was written for the masses And it is very practical in nature.'},\n {'end_time': '3:32', 'start_time': '3:20', 'text': 'It talks about how a person should live his daily life, you know, what he should do and it talks about lot of aspects of human being, right, from being a good student to actually being a good householder, you know, how do you earn money ethically.'},\n {'end_time': '3:35', 'start_time': '3:33', 'text': 'It talks about also the spiritual side of it.'},\n {'end_time': '3:50', 'start_time': '3:35', 'text': \"It also talks about parenting and very practical tips on, you know, how to be careful in life, how to choose your friends, how to actually make sure that you're giving money also donation to the right people never to get fooled etcetera etcetera.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:02', 'start_time': '3:50', 'text': 'So coming back, Chanakkal Neti is definitely a book, but, if you look at the two words, Chanakkal and Niti, I would like to sum it up by saying that Chanakkal was a person, of course, but Niti by itself has got lot of meanings.'},\n {'end_time': '4:09', 'start_time': '4:03', 'text': 'Niti means policy, Niti means the way to go, Niti means strategy, Niti means plan.'},\n {'end_time': '4:12', 'start_time': '4:09', 'text': 'So if you look at the word Niti in Sanskrit, it got various meanings.'},\n {'end_time': '4:18', 'start_time': '4:12', 'text': \"I would say Chanakya's planning, Chanakya's way of teaching, Chanakya's strategies, etcetera, etcetera.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:23', 'start_time': '4:18', 'text': \"So I'm specifically talking about the book called Chanakya Neeti, which was written by Chanakya many years ago.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:29', 'start_time': '4:23', 'text': \"And I've been fortunate that I've also written a version of Chanakya's Neeti in Radhakrishnan Pillay's explanation of it also.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:30', 'start_time': '4:29', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '4:41', 'start_time': '4:30', 'text': 'So so what will a person gain from going through your book on the chana keniti or just having information about like if they are at point a before reading and at point b, what will they become?'},\n {'end_time': '4:43', 'start_time': '4:41', 'text': \"Definitely, there'll be benefit.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:56', 'start_time': '4:43', 'text': \"It's like going to a school and, you started attending the first standard and after a year you got passed out the 2nd standard and you'll see the difference in you because chana ke neeti helps you to think differently.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:00', 'start_time': '4:56', 'text': 'So if you think differently, you do the same things differently.'},\n {'end_time': '5:03', 'start_time': '5:00', 'text': 'You figure out better strategy or faster ways of doing it?'},\n {'end_time': '5:04', 'start_time': '5:03', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '5:07', 'start_time': '5:04', 'text': 'So I think Chanakaniti is all about strategies, policies.'},\n {'end_time': '5:14', 'start_time': '5:07', 'text': \"So by learning Chanakaniti, a lot of people for centuries have got benefited and I'm sure you will.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:15', 'start_time': '5:14', 'text': 'So let me give you an example.'},\n {'end_time': '5:19', 'start_time': '5:15', 'text': \"One of my teachers, used to tell me this, you know, and you know which is India's best selling book?\"},\n {'end_time': '5:21', 'start_time': '5:19', 'text': 'I said, okay.'},\n {'end_time': '5:22', 'start_time': '5:21', 'text': 'What a strange question.'},\n {'end_time': '5:23', 'start_time': '5:22', 'text': \"Actually it's Chanakya Niti.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:27', 'start_time': '5:23', 'text': \"I said, go anywhere, you'll find a version of Chanakya Niti, you know.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:30', 'start_time': '5:27', 'text': \"So you'll find in a bookstore, you can find it there.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:33', 'start_time': '5:30', 'text': 'Now coming back to my Chanakya Niti, how is it different from the others?'},\n {'end_time': '5:43', 'start_time': '5:33', 'text': 'So so 650 sutra or formulas are still the same, but what happens is that in lot of the books that we have is that the Sanskrit and they translate into English, but we have done something very different.'},\n {'end_time': '5:46', 'start_time': '5:43', 'text': 'We have given explanation of all of them in detail.'},\n {'end_time': '5:55', 'start_time': '5:46', 'text': \"So let me give you an example and then we'll talk about how it is gonna benefit you from point a to point b and of course the 5 points that you should take away from this particular video.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:02', 'start_time': '5:55', 'text': 'So let me start by saying that very simple sutra or strategy, be careful from 3 things.'},\n {'end_time': '6:10', 'start_time': '6:03', 'text': 'Okay and it continues by saying if you know how to use them, it will be beneficial.'},\n {'end_time': '6:12', 'start_time': '6:10', 'text': 'If you misuse them, they will finish you.'},\n {'end_time': '6:15', 'start_time': '6:13', 'text': 'Okay, so the first one is fire.'},\n {'end_time': '6:19', 'start_time': '6:16', 'text': 'So fire, you should know how to use it because in every house there is fire right?'},\n {'end_time': '6:24', 'start_time': '6:19', 'text': \"So we warm up the house, we require for cooking that's why when you enter a house also, it's called housewarming.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:29', 'start_time': '6:24', 'text': \"But if you don't know how to manage that fire, it can burn up your whole house.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:32', 'start_time': '6:29', 'text': 'So be careful from fire, but it can help you or destroy you.'},\n {'end_time': '6:33', 'start_time': '6:32', 'text': '2nd is called king.'},\n {'end_time': '6:35', 'start_time': '6:34', 'text': 'King.'},\n {'end_time': '6:40', 'start_time': '6:35', 'text': \"You're too close to a king, then it's good but you know, if you misuse the king, they'll destroy you.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:47', 'start_time': '6:40', 'text': \"So people you know who are around powerful people should be careful that they may suddenly tell you okay, you're promoted and you go and take charge of this particular kingdom.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:48', 'start_time': '6:47', 'text': 'So a king can make you a king.'},\n {'end_time': '6:53', 'start_time': '6:49', 'text': 'The thing is that if you take the king for granted, they will finish off your career and your life once and for all.'},\n {'end_time': '6:56', 'start_time': '6:53', 'text': 'So powerful, they can destroy or make you.'},\n {'end_time': '6:59', 'start_time': '6:56', 'text': 'Chanakya says the third thing also, snake.'},\n {'end_time': '7:01', 'start_time': '7:00', 'text': 'Be careful from a snake, I understand.'},\n {'end_time': '7:03', 'start_time': '7:02', 'text': 'But it can actually help you in what way?'},\n {'end_time': '7:10', 'start_time': '7:04', 'text': 'Are you aware of it, that actually in the army, people are trained to catch snakes.'},\n {'end_time': '7:12', 'start_time': '7:11', 'text': 'You know what is the logic?'},\n {'end_time': '7:19', 'start_time': '7:12', 'text': \"Because let's say in the army, you're in the jungle and especially when you're on a mission and you're going to a deep jungle, you feel hungry, right?\"},\n {'end_time': '7:26', 'start_time': '7:20', 'text': 'So they will look around and probably they will find a fruit or a flower.'},\n {'end_time': '7:52', 'start_time': '7:26', 'text': \"The fruit may look good, very exotic but you're not sure it's poisonous but you know you're feeling hungry, you need to survive so there could be a lot of things around but the beautiful part is that every particular jungle will have a snake but the snake can bite you that's a danger so you have to be careful of the snake but do you know if you know how to catch the snake and maybe just you know take away the poisonous part of it the whole snake body you can actually eat Okay.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:55', 'start_time': '7:52', 'text': 'So it actually becomes like a survival in the jungle.'},\n {'end_time': '8:03', 'start_time': '7:55', 'text': \"I'm not here saying that you know, we snake eaters, but the logic is that be careful from a snake, but it can also useful to you in the most difficult situations.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:04', 'start_time': '8:04', 'text': 'Practical?'},\n {'end_time': '8:09', 'start_time': '8:05', 'text': 'So Chanakal says 3 things, make careful from fire, king and a snake.'},\n {'end_time': '8:12', 'start_time': '8:10', 'text': 'Now look at this, you can actually practically apply it.'},\n {'end_time': '8:19', 'start_time': '8:12', 'text': \"So when you are in front of your bosses, you said okay, I'm close to him, it'll give me warmth but don't cross that line, that lakshman rekha.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:22', 'start_time': '8:19', 'text': 'Same thing, it all goes to fire etcetera etcetera.'},\n {'end_time': '8:29', 'start_time': '8:22', 'text': \"So I'm just giving one example out of 350 ideas about how you can be successful and careful in life.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:33', 'start_time': '8:29', 'text': 'In fact, to be successful, you should be careful in life and very careful in life.'},\n {'end_time': '8:39', 'start_time': '8:34', 'text': 'So so coming to the 5, top learnings of the channel can we give?'},\n {'end_time': '8:44', 'start_time': '8:39', 'text': \"So I think every 350 sutras are all taught by itself, but you know, we'll limit it to 5.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:45', 'start_time': '8:44', 'text': 'Sutra is what?'},\n {'end_time': '8:46', 'start_time': '8:45', 'text': \"It's like a yeah.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:47', 'start_time': '8:46', 'text': 'Like what is a sutra?'},\n {'end_time': '8:48', 'start_time': '8:47', 'text': 'Sutra is like a formula.'},\n {'end_time': '8:48', 'start_time': '8:48', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '8:51', 'start_time': '8:48', 'text': 'So for example, e is equal to MC Square.'},\n {'end_time': '8:51', 'start_time': '8:51', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '8:53', 'start_time': '8:51', 'text': 'So Chanakar wrote 350 formulas for life.'},\n {'end_time': '8:54', 'start_time': '8:53', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '8:54', 'start_time': '8:54', 'text': 'You got it right.'},\n {'end_time': '8:56', 'start_time': '8:54', 'text': 'And they can be applied everywhere.'},\n {'end_time': '8:56', 'start_time': '8:56', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '8:59', 'start_time': '8:57', 'text': 'So what would what would be like your top five sutras?'},\n {'end_time': '9:02', 'start_time': '9:00', 'text': 'So I will start with something which is very close to my heart.'},\n {'end_time': '9:02', 'start_time': '9:02', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '9:03', 'start_time': '9:02', 'text': 'Which is on parenting.'},\n {'end_time': '9:04', 'start_time': '9:03', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '9:09', 'start_time': '9:04', 'text': \"We'll have 2 lovely kids, but just because the kids are good, doesn't mean you are a good parent.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:16', 'start_time': '9:09', 'text': \"And so I've always look at one of the very basic formulas, sutras that Janaka spoke about parenting in a very simple line.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:24', 'start_time': '9:16', 'text': 'He says, for the first 5 years love the child, next 10 years discipline him and after that consider them your friends.'},\n {'end_time': '9:26', 'start_time': '9:26', 'text': 'Formula?'},\n {'end_time': '9:27', 'start_time': '9:26', 'text': 'Simple three liners.'},\n {'end_time': '9:30', 'start_time': '9:28', 'text': 'So let me explain that to you.'},\n {'end_time': '9:35', 'start_time': '9:30', 'text': \"So when a child is small, it's very lovely, cute, so you can only love the child, you know.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:40', 'start_time': '9:35', 'text': \"Suppose you got a latest mobile and you just banged it, you can't do anything about it, just love the child unconditionally.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:54', 'start_time': '9:41', 'text': \"But the moment the child is 5 years old and upwards, its intellect starts developing it, you know, and it's a very dangerous trend today happening because a lot of parents just allow children to do anything that they want and actually that's bad parenting.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:59', 'start_time': '9:54', 'text': \"So what Chanak is is that now you need to actually use discipline and discipline doesn't mean beating, okay.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:09', 'start_time': '9:59', 'text': 'The ability to say no is also important for a parent because if you say yes, yes, yes, he will never understand what does no and that can actually lead to failures in life.'},\n {'end_time': '10:14', 'start_time': '10:09', 'text': 'So discipline the child for the next 10 years and after that consider him or her as your friend.'},\n {'end_time': '10:19', 'start_time': '10:14', 'text': 'The biggest problem that we have, especially in a country like India, the child may be 70 years old.'},\n {'end_time': '10:22', 'start_time': '10:19', 'text': 'Now the 90 year old parent is still.'},\n {'end_time': '10:25', 'start_time': '10:22', 'text': 'After 15 years, you are fully grown.'},\n {'end_time': '10:29', 'start_time': '10:25', 'text': \"Of course, life experiences may not be that big, yet you're a full adult.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:32', 'start_time': '10:30', 'text': 'So look at this formula which has helped me.'},\n {'end_time': '10:37', 'start_time': '10:32', 'text': 'So first one is that love your child 5 years, discipline 10 years and then consider them your friends.'},\n {'end_time': '10:42', 'start_time': '10:37', 'text': 'I think full parenting at the best level for 15 years.'},\n {'end_time': '10:45', 'start_time': '10:42', 'text': \"Now coming back to the 5 points that you're talking about.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:51', 'start_time': '10:45', 'text': 'I like to summarize, from the all the experiences that I have gone through by reading, studying Chanakya.'},\n {'end_time': '10:57', 'start_time': '10:51', 'text': 'The first niti, the first Chanakya niti to have a successful life is to have a purpose in life.'},\n {'end_time': '11:09', 'start_time': '10:59', 'text': \"Lot of people, you know, live like a common person, probably they're highly educated, but you look at them, they're very dull and they don't even have a reason to get up.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:13', 'start_time': '11:09', 'text': 'So they just pull themselves out and saying that okay, I study now, I need to get a job okay.'},\n {'end_time': '11:15', 'start_time': '11:13', 'text': 'Now I got a job, I need to get married okay.'},\n {'end_time': '11:17', 'start_time': '11:15', 'text': 'I need to get married, I need to have children.'},\n {'end_time': '11:21', 'start_time': '11:17', 'text': \"Okay, that's good, but that's normal.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:25', 'start_time': '11:21', 'text': 'Successful people do all these also, but they have something beyond.'},\n {'end_time': '11:30', 'start_time': '11:25', 'text': \"So the first question is that if you want to really be successful in life, ask yourself, what's your purpose?\"},\n {'end_time': '11:36', 'start_time': '11:31', 'text': \"What is that for which you're ready to live and if necessary die?\"},\n {'end_time': '11:37', 'start_time': '11:37', 'text': \"And it's not easy.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:38', 'start_time': '11:37', 'text': 'I understand that.'},\n {'end_time': '11:47', 'start_time': '11:38', 'text': \"So I think there is a saying that the only purpose of a person's life is to have a purpose and everything falls into place.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:53', 'start_time': '11:47', 'text': 'So I think friends, Chanakya says what we call in modern day settings call it goal setting exercise.'},\n {'end_time': '12:00', 'start_time': '11:54', 'text': \"So do something with yourself, sit down and you know, in our ancient old tradition, it's called finding your swadharma.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:02', 'start_time': '12:01', 'text': 'What am I born for?'},\n {'end_time': '12:09', 'start_time': '12:02', 'text': \"It's a very deep question, but if you actually go introspect and spend time with yourself, meditate, believe me the answer will come to you.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:12', 'start_time': '12:09', 'text': 'So I remember how I found my purpose in my life.'},\n {'end_time': '12:21', 'start_time': '12:12', 'text': \"Believe me, I was at Kailash Mansarovar, live in the Himalayas and when I saw the Kailash mountain first, I've been always telling you know what are the purpose of my life.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:31', 'start_time': '12:21', 'text': \"The moment I saw Kailash mountain, it hit to me as if somebody was speaking to me, you know, I'm saying that please give your life to the study of Chanakya and his Arthashastra.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:43', 'start_time': '12:31', 'text': \"I just told my wife Surika saying that you know, I don't know whether it's a sound or it's a feeling, but I feel you know, I should dedicate my life to the promotion and the studies of Chanakya and Arthashastra.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:51', 'start_time': '12:44', 'text': \"She kept it very quietly to herself but whenever I have a problem, she always told me, remember you've got a purpose in your life.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:53', 'start_time': '12:52', 'text': 'People ask me, how are you so full of energy?'},\n {'end_time': '12:55', 'start_time': '12:53', 'text': \"I've written 15 books.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:56', 'start_time': '12:55', 'text': \"I'm still writing 8 books on Janakya.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:58', 'start_time': '12:57', 'text': 'Got involved in 2 movies.'},\n {'end_time': '13:00', 'start_time': '12:59', 'text': \"I've been doing a lot of podcasts.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:02', 'start_time': '13:00', 'text': \"I'm teaching in universities across the globe.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:07', 'start_time': '13:03', 'text': \"Every single day, I'm at least giving 1 or 2 lectures or interviews or something like that.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:10', 'start_time': '13:07', 'text': 'So maybe how do you keep it going and say that I have a purpose in my life.'},\n {'end_time': '13:11', 'start_time': '13:10', 'text': \"I've discovered it long ago.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:15', 'start_time': '13:12', 'text': \"A lot of people, even at the end of their life, they don't have a purpose.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:20', 'start_time': '13:15', 'text': 'So as they say, I was dead at 28 and I got buried at 80.'},\n {'end_time': '13:21', 'start_time': '13:20', 'text': 'Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '13:23', 'start_time': '13:22', 'text': 'So think about it.'},\n {'end_time': '13:25', 'start_time': '13:23', 'text': 'What is what is their state of mind?'},\n {'end_time': '13:27', 'start_time': '13:25', 'text': 'I think this is dragging on.'},\n {'end_time': '13:31', 'start_time': '13:27', 'text': 'This is dragging on saying that, you know, maybe I have to just leave and do something very normal.'},\n {'end_time': '13:36', 'start_time': '13:31', 'text': \"So I'm not saying that, you know, poor people have to live a normal life.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:40', 'start_time': '13:36', 'text': 'You can actually live an extraordinary life, not just an ordinary.'},\n {'end_time': '13:43', 'start_time': '13:40', 'text': '1st channel at kidney is to have a purpose, discover the purpose.'},\n {'end_time': '13:45', 'start_time': '13:43', 'text': 'Go inside, get it.'},\n {'end_time': '13:46', 'start_time': '13:45', 'text': 'Now Andi ji got it.'},\n {'end_time': '13:48', 'start_time': '13:46', 'text': 'Well, he was pushed out from a train.'},\n {'end_time': '13:51', 'start_time': '13:48', 'text': 'Maybe that instance, it comes when you say, this is for me.'},\n {'end_time': '13:53', 'start_time': '13:51', 'text': 'It could be actually saving a girl child.'},\n {'end_time': '13:55', 'start_time': '13:53', 'text': 'For everybody, it could be different.'},\n {'end_time': '13:55', 'start_time': '13:55', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '13:56', 'start_time': '13:55', 'text': 'It could be in sports.'},\n {'end_time': '14:00', 'start_time': '13:56', 'text': 'For you for you, it could be YouTube and just broadcasting it day in and day out.'},\n {'end_time': '14:11', 'start_time': '14:00', 'text': \"But if you have a purpose for which you will actually get up every day morning and as a p j Abdul Kalam sir said, you know, dreams are not that, what you see when you're sleeping, but dreams are those that don't allow you to sleep.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:12', 'start_time': '14:11', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '14:13', 'start_time': '14:12', 'text': 'Formula number 1.'},\n {'end_time': '14:14', 'start_time': '14:13', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '14:14', 'start_time': '14:14', 'text': 'Chan activity.'},\n {'end_time': '14:23', 'start_time': '14:15', 'text': \"You know, even in, like, daily life in our office, seem that like the best performers who've been with the organization for more than a year and a half, 2 years now.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:28', 'start_time': '14:23', 'text': \"Our guys who wake up in the morning with that intention of, okay, today I'm just going to create.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:30', 'start_time': '14:28', 'text': \"Today I'm just going to add value.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:34', 'start_time': '14:30', 'text': \"You know, it's that that the purpose can be as simple as just that.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:34', 'start_time': '14:34', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '14:39', 'start_time': '14:34', 'text': \"It doesn't have to be, oh, I'm going to take over the world or you know, I'm going to teach, I'm going to make this master in the world.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:40', 'start_time': '14:39', 'text': 'It can be little things.'},\n {'end_time': '14:44', 'start_time': '14:41', 'text': 'So, but you should put your mind on that one thing.'},\n {'end_time': '14:45', 'start_time': '14:44', 'text': \"And it's all about that one thing.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:46', 'start_time': '14:45', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '14:47', 'start_time': '14:46', 'text': \"You don't have to a 100 purposes.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:49', 'start_time': '14:47', 'text': \"You don't have that one.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:49', 'start_time': '14:49', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '14:51', 'start_time': '14:49', 'text': \"And I'll tell you, it becomes easy.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:52', 'start_time': '14:51', 'text': 'I found that one channel.'},\n {'end_time': '14:53', 'start_time': '14:52', 'text': \"That's enough.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:54', 'start_time': '14:53', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '14:59', 'start_time': '14:54', 'text': \"Many people tell me also, you know, and we tell you why don't you now write your next book on maybe Ramayan Yeah.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:00', 'start_time': '14:59', 'text': 'Or maybe something else.'},\n {'end_time': '15:01', 'start_time': '15:00', 'text': \"I don't know why.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:03', 'start_time': '15:01', 'text': 'If something is working right, why change it?'},\n {'end_time': '15:05', 'start_time': '15:03', 'text': 'In fact, it has been mathematically proven.'},\n {'end_time': '15:07', 'start_time': '15:05', 'text': \"It's called the game theory.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:10', 'start_time': '15:07', 'text': \"If you're already successful, don't be stupid to change it.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:11', 'start_time': '15:11', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '15:12', 'start_time': '15:11', 'text': \"So it's doing well.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:14', 'start_time': '15:12', 'text': 'People what they do is they did already found their purpose.'},\n {'end_time': '15:15', 'start_time': '15:14', 'text': 'They say, oh, I have it now.'},\n {'end_time': '15:17', 'start_time': '15:15', 'text': 'Let me go to the other one and the other one.'},\n {'end_time': '15:20', 'start_time': '15:17', 'text': \"Finally, you'll not be there in the first stage also.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:22', 'start_time': '15:20', 'text': 'Because like, you know, digging a well everywhere and finding no water.'},\n {'end_time': '15:22', 'start_time': '15:22', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '15:23', 'start_time': '15:22', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '15:23', 'start_time': '15:23', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '15:25', 'start_time': '15:23', 'text': \"So it's very important as you rightly pointed out.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:27', 'start_time': '15:25', 'text': 'Everyday if you wanna create a video Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '15:28', 'start_time': '15:27', 'text': \"And that's your purpose.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:36', 'start_time': '15:28', 'text': \"We've we've had kids who have worked in the organization with that thing of no I want more or you know everything's too slow or maybe I'll be happy somewhere else.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:43', 'start_time': '15:36', 'text': 'And they go there, a mess gets created there and then they land up exactly without any water anyway.'},\n {'end_time': '15:43', 'start_time': '15:43', 'text': 'Exactly.'},\n {'end_time': '15:49', 'start_time': '15:43', 'text': 'So again, as a as a co founder of an organization also you see all these stories happening in front of you.'},\n {'end_time': '15:53', 'start_time': '15:49', 'text': \"To kids you have groomed, you know, even if you've not made those mistakes, you see people making these mistakes.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:53', 'start_time': '15:53', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '15:55', 'start_time': '15:53', 'text': 'But anyways, go on with the channel.'},\n {'end_time': '15:55', 'start_time': '15:55', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '15:57', 'start_time': '15:55', 'text': 'In fact, that actually connects to my second point.'},\n {'end_time': '15:58', 'start_time': '15:57', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '15:58', 'start_time': '15:58', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '15:59', 'start_time': '15:58', 'text': 'The second channel.'},\n {'end_time': '16:01', 'start_time': '15:59', 'text': 'Desire to learn.'},\n {'end_time': '16:02', 'start_time': '16:01', 'text': 'So you got a purpose?'},\n {'end_time': '16:09', 'start_time': '16:02', 'text': \"Let's say I got a purpose that I want to maybe start an NGO that will going to feed, you know, hundreds of children.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:12', 'start_time': '16:09', 'text': 'But I am actually associated with an NGO called as a Roti Bank.'},\n {'end_time': '16:22', 'start_time': '16:13', 'text': \"So Roti Bank is a very interesting, phenomenon where actually they are feeding the street children, and they're actually doing almost like a 1000000 children now or a bit of time.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:26', 'start_time': '16:23', 'text': \"But the thing is that if I have a purpose, that's the first step.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:27', 'start_time': '16:26', 'text': \"I don't know how the process works.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:28', 'start_time': '16:27', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '16:34', 'start_time': '16:28', 'text': \"So if I'm gonna be a cricketer or a sportsman or a YouTuber for that particular matter, I said okay, I have found a purpose but I can't just jump into it.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:35', 'start_time': '16:34', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '16:37', 'start_time': '16:35', 'text': 'So I need to have a desire to learn formally or informally.'},\n {'end_time': '16:39', 'start_time': '16:37', 'text': 'So what people do is that go and join a course.'},\n {'end_time': '16:41', 'start_time': '16:39', 'text': 'There are formal things.'},\n {'end_time': '16:45', 'start_time': '16:41', 'text': 'So for example, you were to play cricket and you found your purpose in life, you still require a coach.'},\n {'end_time': '16:48', 'start_time': '16:45', 'text': 'So go and join a cricket academy or a film academy or whatever.'},\n {'end_time': '16:49', 'start_time': '16:48', 'text': 'Read books.'},\n {'end_time': '16:51', 'start_time': '16:49', 'text': 'I mean or and see YouTube videos.'},\n {'end_time': '16:54', 'start_time': '16:51', 'text': 'I think this generation got the advantage of actually getting knowledge free.'},\n {'end_time': '16:55', 'start_time': '16:54', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '17:03', 'start_time': '16:55', 'text': \"But you should be a student who says, you know, I'm a beginner even if you are an expert, you still should have a desire to learn because even at the top, there is something more to learn.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:05', 'start_time': '17:03', 'text': 'So the thing is that have a purpose.'},\n {'end_time': '17:08', 'start_time': '17:05', 'text': 'The second is desire to learn and it can be multiple ways of learning.'},\n {'end_time': '17:15', 'start_time': '17:09', 'text': 'Digital, formal, informal, you know, through books, through cinemas, through people, through people conversations.'},\n {'end_time': '17:16', 'start_time': '17:15', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '17:16', 'start_time': '17:16', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '17:16', 'start_time': '17:16', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '17:17', 'start_time': '17:16', 'text': \"So I'm learning from you also.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:28', 'start_time': '17:17', 'text': \"So again, the big reason we started the podcast was for this exactly that, yes, I'll create content, but at the same time to each conversation on a personal level, I'm learning a lot, which then I can put out on my Hindi channel as well later.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:29', 'start_time': '17:28', 'text': 'Excellent.'},\n {'end_time': '17:30', 'start_time': '17:29', 'text': 'So see, you have a purpose.'},\n {'end_time': '17:36', 'start_time': '17:30', 'text': 'You have a desire to learn and you feel nice and more creative in your desire to learn.'},\n {'end_time': '17:36', 'start_time': '17:36', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '17:39', 'start_time': '17:36', 'text': \"Well you're saying, okay, there is something more, a different way of creating it.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:39', 'start_time': '17:39', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '17:40', 'start_time': '17:39', 'text': 'So learn from experts.'},\n {'end_time': '17:50', 'start_time': '17:40', 'text': \"The third point is also something connected and it's called having elders with you and the Sanskrit word for that is called vrddhasan yoga.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:55', 'start_time': '17:51', 'text': 'So one is purpose, certain desire to learn, but whom do you learn from?'},\n {'end_time': '17:57', 'start_time': '17:56', 'text': 'Learn only from experts.'},\n {'end_time': '17:59', 'start_time': '17:58', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '18:00', 'start_time': '17:59', 'text': 'Now please understand this.'},\n {'end_time': '18:03', 'start_time': '18:01', 'text': 'Let us put life into 3 levels.'},\n {'end_time': '18:03', 'start_time': '18:03', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '18:05', 'start_time': '18:03', 'text': \"So let's say you're at level 5.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:06', 'start_time': '18:05', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '18:08', 'start_time': '18:06', 'text': 'There could be people who are at level 3.'},\n {'end_time': '18:10', 'start_time': '18:08', 'text': 'There are could be people who are at level 5.'},\n {'end_time': '18:12', 'start_time': '18:10', 'text': 'There could be people who are level 10.'},\n {'end_time': '18:13', 'start_time': '18:12', 'text': 'Somebody will learn from.'},\n {'end_time': '18:15', 'start_time': '18:13', 'text': \"People say, I'm learning from everybody.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:26', 'start_time': '18:15', 'text': \"Okay, that's a nice desire to learn from everyone, but the reality is that let's say you're at level 5 of knowledge and experience and there is somebody who is at level 2 or 3 who comes to you.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:30', 'start_time': '18:27', 'text': 'Actually, you end up teaching that person.'},\n {'end_time': '18:32', 'start_time': '18:31', 'text': 'Okay?'},\n {'end_time': '18:37', 'start_time': '18:32', 'text': \"And whatever he or she says, it's an input, but that's not actually an expert advice.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:42', 'start_time': '18:38', 'text': 'If you are at level 5 and the other person is also at level 5, you are actually equal friends.'},\n {'end_time': '18:46', 'start_time': '18:42', 'text': 'You can discuss with each other sharing, but Janikin says no.'},\n {'end_time': '18:48', 'start_time': '18:47', 'text': 'Was those people who are at level 10.'},\n {'end_time': '18:51', 'start_time': '18:49', 'text': \"So let's say you have a 50 crore company.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:53', 'start_time': '18:51', 'text': 'You can have friends who are also at 50 crores.'},\n {'end_time': '18:56', 'start_time': '18:53', 'text': 'There are, you know, people who are just startups maybe at 10 crores.'},\n {'end_time': '19:03', 'start_time': '18:56', 'text': \"So you actually land up teaching the 10 crore guy how to be a 50 crore guy and we're discussing common problems with other friend who's at 50 crores.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:07', 'start_time': '19:03', 'text': 'But vrittasayoga is actually associating yourself with a 100 crore guy.'},\n {'end_time': '19:16', 'start_time': '19:07', 'text': \"So then what happens is basically when you're surrounded with such people, automatically you raise your bar from a to b without any efforts.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:22', 'start_time': '19:16', 'text': \"So let's say in a week I'm spending at least 4 hours with people who are more experienced than me.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:25', 'start_time': '19:22', 'text': \"Just spend certain and don't even do anything, just watch them.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:29', 'start_time': '19:25', 'text': \"You'll be surprised since he's already at 100 crore and you're 50 crore, let's say, say, turn out of your company.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:36', 'start_time': '19:29', 'text': 'Just watch them, listen to their discussions Without your own knowledge, you actually turn around your company to 60 or 70 crores.'},\n {'end_time': '19:44', 'start_time': '19:37', 'text': \"And it's a very easy way of actually being successful by being around those people who are more successful than you.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:44', 'start_time': '19:44', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '19:51', 'start_time': '19:44', 'text': \"And when they say something, they're actually guiding you to actually break your barrier and go to the next level, go to the next orbit.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:53', 'start_time': '19:52', 'text': 'So think about this.'},\n {'end_time': '19:57', 'start_time': '19:53', 'text': 'First is, purpose, desire to learn and learning from experts.'},\n {'end_time': '19:59', 'start_time': '19:57', 'text': 'And here is a warning.'},\n {'end_time': '20:06', 'start_time': '19:59', 'text': 'Many people actually get misled by 2 terms, opinion and expert advice.'},\n {'end_time': '20:09', 'start_time': '20:06', 'text': \"So many people when they give opinions, you think that's an advice.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:10', 'start_time': '20:09', 'text': 'It is not an advice.'},\n {'end_time': '20:11', 'start_time': '20:10', 'text': 'It is just an opinion.'},\n {'end_time': '20:18', 'start_time': '20:11', 'text': \"It's a person who doesn't know anything, who feels A lot of market researchers get it wrong there.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:21', 'start_time': '20:18', 'text': 'So those are the common man and saying, what do you think the product will do well or no?'},\n {'end_time': '20:28', 'start_time': '20:21', 'text': \"So they may give a data, but the real insight is by those people who are telling you this will work and you don't have to go to statistical data.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:34', 'start_time': '20:28', 'text': \"So if you just go and ask Bill Gates how to create a successful business, you don't have to just ask 1 Bill Gates.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:35', 'start_time': '20:34', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '20:37', 'start_time': '20:35', 'text': 'Not 20 people who are startups.'},\n {'end_time': '20:38', 'start_time': '20:37', 'text': 'Startups are also important.'},\n {'end_time': '20:42', 'start_time': '20:38', 'text': 'So please understand that expert advice is what is vidus and yoga.'},\n {'end_time': '20:48', 'start_time': '20:42', 'text': 'So if you are already doing YouTube, would you like to learn from person who is already maybe 10 times bigger than you?'},\n {'end_time': '20:49', 'start_time': '20:49', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '20:52', 'start_time': '20:49', 'text': 'So here is an advice which I read.'},\n {'end_time': '20:54', 'start_time': '20:52', 'text': \"It's a very powerful sweet little advice.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:02', 'start_time': '20:54', 'text': 'It says, never take an advice from somebody who is not an expert.'},\n {'end_time': '21:05', 'start_time': '21:03', 'text': 'This is our advice.'},\n {'end_time': '21:08', 'start_time': '21:06', 'text': 'So if you want to take an advice, only take it from an expert.'},\n {'end_time': '21:13', 'start_time': '21:08', 'text': 'So maybe they are costly, maybe to meet that particular person it will be delayed.'},\n {'end_time': '21:15', 'start_time': '21:13', 'text': 'So suppose you were to go and meet Bill Gates.'},\n {'end_time': '21:17', 'start_time': '21:16', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '21:25', 'start_time': '21:17', 'text': \"I I feel like in the modern day, so it's not about, meeting the person because any successful person has the information available online.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:25', 'start_time': '21:25', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '21:26', 'start_time': '21:25', 'text': \"That's the power of the internet.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:29', 'start_time': '21:26', 'text': \"If you if you search for it, it'll land up in your hands.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:29', 'start_time': '21:29', 'text': 'Exactly.'},\n {'end_time': '21:31', 'start_time': '21:29', 'text': \"Make sure he's better and higher than you.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:32', 'start_time': '21:31', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '21:33', 'start_time': '21:32', 'text': 'Do podcast.'},\n {'end_time': '21:34', 'start_time': '21:33', 'text': 'Do internet.'},\n {'end_time': '21:34', 'start_time': '21:34', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '21:35', 'start_time': '21:34', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '21:35', 'start_time': '21:35', 'text': 'Read books.'},\n {'end_time': '21:43', 'start_time': '21:35', 'text': 'But 2020, finding information and finding mentorship from these people is not difficult.'},\n {'end_time': '21:43', 'start_time': '21:43', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '21:44', 'start_time': '21:43', 'text': 'I genuinely feel that.'},\n {'end_time': '21:46', 'start_time': '21:44', 'text': 'Anyways, go on.'},\n {'end_time': '21:49', 'start_time': '21:46', 'text': \"The 4th one, which actually Chanakya did, it's create institutions.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:51', 'start_time': '21:50', 'text': \"People don't understand.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:51', 'start_time': '21:51', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '21:56', 'start_time': '21:51', 'text': \"Usually what happens is that when people start, it's always a one man show or a one woman show, whatever.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:58', 'start_time': '21:56', 'text': \"It's all about you, you, you.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:00', 'start_time': '21:58', 'text': 'But as you go, you reach a particular point.'},\n {'end_time': '22:03', 'start_time': '22:00', 'text': \"So then I can't go higher without a team around me.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:09', 'start_time': '22:03', 'text': 'So, you know, and individually you may be good, but the next scale up happens when you, you know, do everything into a process system.'},\n {'end_time': '22:12', 'start_time': '22:09', 'text': \"So that's when you start building teams, companies, institutions.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:19', 'start_time': '22:13', 'text': \"Otherwise, what will happen is you always recruit it as a one person, but you know, it's like, you know, being a good actor and actually creating a production company.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:21', 'start_time': '22:20', 'text': \"That's where the scale happens.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:24', 'start_time': '22:21', 'text': 'So a production company is gonna last beyond you.'},\n {'end_time': '22:29', 'start_time': '22:24', 'text': 'And as an actor, you may have a time limit to your, you know, performance and things.'},\n {'end_time': '22:31', 'start_time': '22:29', 'text': 'So the smarter guys, what did Chanak do?'},\n {'end_time': '22:36', 'start_time': '22:31', 'text': \"He create Chandragupta Maurya, but he also created systems and processes for the future Chandragupta Maurya's.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:40', 'start_time': '22:36', 'text': \"Because if you don't do that, what will happen exactly that it will die with you.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:41', 'start_time': '22:40', 'text': \"So I think it's very important to create institutions.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:44', 'start_time': '22:41', 'text': 'You know, Chanakya created a kingdom along with a king.'},\n {'end_time': '22:45', 'start_time': '22:44', 'text': '2 different things.'},\n {'end_time': '22:48', 'start_time': '22:45', 'text': \"One is creating a king, but it's also creating a kingdom.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:54', 'start_time': '22:48', 'text': 'Now we come to the 5th and the final point and that is very important probably, we should practice it more often.'},\n {'end_time': '22:56', 'start_time': '22:54', 'text': 'It is called documentation.'},\n {'end_time': '23:02', 'start_time': '22:57', 'text': 'Documentation in various forms it could be written, it could be audio or video.'},\n {'end_time': '23:08', 'start_time': '23:02', 'text': \"See what happens is that we had a habit which probably is not too much there in today's generation, it's called diary writing.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:17', 'start_time': '23:09', 'text': \"So every day what you learn, write it down and you'll be surprised when you do it every day, Let's say in a year you actually look at a diary, 3 65 days you written something.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:18', 'start_time': '23:17', 'text': 'I said wow!'},\n {'end_time': '23:25', 'start_time': '23:19', 'text': \"I'll tell you 2 things about successful people when they write it themselves, okay, they remembered after they are gone.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:29', 'start_time': '23:26', 'text': '2 things, Chanakya himself wrote all his strategies.'},\n {'end_time': '23:33', 'start_time': '23:29', 'text': 'Imagine if he had not written, there would have been a great person, but nobody knows what was happening in his mind.'},\n {'end_time': '23:40', 'start_time': '23:34', 'text': \"In fact, if you look at all the great gurus, maybe you're talking about the book autobiography of yoga written by him, he's not there.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:43', 'start_time': '23:41', 'text': \"But Paramus Yogananda's book is documented.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:45', 'start_time': '23:44', 'text': 'All religions of the world are documented.'},\n {'end_time': '23:55', 'start_time': '23:46', 'text': \"Do you know, this year we are actually celebrating 550th year, for guru, our guru Nanakji's birthday, guru Nanakji's birthday.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:01', 'start_time': '23:55', 'text': 'How many are aware that if you go to any Gudwara, they actually worship an image.'},\n {'end_time': '24:02', 'start_time': '24:01', 'text': 'I mean, what is that?'},\n {'end_time': '24:03', 'start_time': '24:02', 'text': 'You know, are you aware of this?'},\n {'end_time': '24:06', 'start_time': '24:03', 'text': \"It's the Gurbani, his, his book, right?\"},\n {'end_time': '24:07', 'start_time': '24:06', 'text': \"It's book.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:12', 'start_time': '24:07', 'text': 'And it actually the notes that, Guru Nanakji used to write every day.'},\n {'end_time': '24:12', 'start_time': '24:12', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '24:16', 'start_time': '24:12', 'text': 'So it finally the other gurus and all actually started adding, adding, adding.'},\n {'end_time': '24:18', 'start_time': '24:16', 'text': 'So every learning he wrote it down.'},\n {'end_time': '24:20', 'start_time': '24:18', 'text': 'And what happened to the 10th guru?'},\n {'end_time': '24:23', 'start_time': '24:21', 'text': \"He said from now on, there'll be no physical guru.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:25', 'start_time': '24:23', 'text': 'The book will be the guru.'},\n {'end_time': '24:25', 'start_time': '24:25', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '24:29', 'start_time': '24:25', 'text': 'Chana cannot run the Arthashastra, Chana lost his wisdom.'},\n {'end_time': '24:30', 'start_time': '24:29', 'text': \"So it's very important, my dear friends.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:31', 'start_time': '24:30', 'text': 'Please write a book.'},\n {'end_time': '24:32', 'start_time': '24:32', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '24:32', 'start_time': '24:32', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '24:35', 'start_time': '24:32', 'text': \"You will also write a book on being India's number one YouTuber.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:36', 'start_time': '24:35', 'text': 'So definitely say.'},\n {'end_time': '24:37', 'start_time': '24:36', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '24:45', 'start_time': '24:37', 'text': \"So looking at these particular points, you'll start realizing that life is about actually creating a legacy after you're gone.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:53', 'start_time': '24:45', 'text': 'Do you want to be successful only for a short time or you wanna be successful forever to that extent that generations to come will actually remember you?'},\n {'end_time': '25:00', 'start_time': '24:53', 'text': 'So these are the 5 things, purpose, desire to learn, learning from experts, building an institution.'},\n {'end_time': '25:06', 'start_time': '25:01', 'text': \"And finally, the 5th point documented into a process that others can benefit after you're gone.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:07', 'start_time': '25:07', 'text': 'Crazy.'},\n {'end_time': '25:12', 'start_time': '25:07', 'text': 'So, this is beautiful, but I have one burning question in my mind which I have to get out.'},\n {'end_time': '25:19', 'start_time': '25:12', 'text': 'It is that, because you study Chanak in so much detail, what do you think that Chanak was thinking about on his deathbed?'},\n {'end_time': '25:20', 'start_time': '25:19', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '25:22', 'start_time': '25:20', 'text': 'Now this is a question a lot of people ask me.'},\n {'end_time': '25:24', 'start_time': '25:22', 'text': 'In fact, to the extent, how did Chanakya die?'},\n {'end_time': '25:24', 'start_time': '25:24', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '25:25', 'start_time': '25:24', 'text': 'That as well.'},\n {'end_time': '25:28', 'start_time': '25:25', 'text': 'So let me tell you, Chanakya had something called as Ichamaran.'},\n {'end_time': '25:31', 'start_time': '25:30', 'text': 'You know what is Ichamaran?'},\n {'end_time': '25:33', 'start_time': '25:31', 'text': 'You can choose when you want to die.'},\n {'end_time': '25:33', 'start_time': '25:33', 'text': 'Exactly.'},\n {'end_time': '25:36', 'start_time': '25:34', 'text': 'Now Chanakya was probably very successful in his life.'},\n {'end_time': '25:40', 'start_time': '25:36', 'text': \"And I think, for me, he's an ideal because he never had any regrets.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:42', 'start_time': '25:41', 'text': 'There are 2 kind of people who regret.'},\n {'end_time': '25:47', 'start_time': '25:42', 'text': \"Number 1 is that people who don't know what to do in their life or never did anything in their life.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:48', 'start_time': '25:47', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '25:52', 'start_time': '25:48', 'text': \"So I'm just lying on my deathbed and, you know, it is just dragging around like anybody else.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:53', 'start_time': '25:52', 'text': 'I did not do anything.'},\n {'end_time': '25:56', 'start_time': '25:53', 'text': \"That's the first type of regret, not doing anything, contributing anything.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:00', 'start_time': '25:56', 'text': 'The second is those people who had a desire, but never got it fulfilled in their lifetime.'},\n {'end_time': '26:02', 'start_time': '26:01', 'text': \"That's also regret, you know.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:04', 'start_time': '26:02', 'text': 'I started something but could not complete it.'},\n {'end_time': '26:08', 'start_time': '26:04', 'text': 'But Chanakya actually was different because he completed both of them, had no regrets.'},\n {'end_time': '26:15', 'start_time': '26:08', 'text': 'Namabamuni had a purpose in my life, in his life and that was to create a whole empire called the Bharat Warsha.'},\n {'end_time': '26:16', 'start_time': '26:15', 'text': 'He created that.'},\n {'end_time': '26:19', 'start_time': '26:16', 'text': 'What is important that he did it in his his lifetime before dying.'},\n {'end_time': '26:21', 'start_time': '26:19', 'text': 'Not many people are lucky.'},\n {'end_time': '26:26', 'start_time': '26:21', 'text': 'People have goals and they say, you know, I will sow a seed and maybe my grandchildren will enjoy it.'},\n {'end_time': '26:30', 'start_time': '26:26', 'text': 'Of course, the grandchildren should enjoy it, but why not you in your own lifetime?'},\n {'end_time': '26:37', 'start_time': '26:30', 'text': \"So if you look at what was Chanakya thinking during his deathbed, probably he's saying that thank you for everything.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:40', 'start_time': '26:37', 'text': \"Now I'm gonna leave very successfully and peacefully.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:43', 'start_time': '26:41', 'text': 'If on death bed, you can say I have no regrets.'},\n {'end_time': '26:44', 'start_time': '26:43', 'text': \"I'll live in my life.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:46', 'start_time': '26:44', 'text': \"Well, I think that's called a successful life.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:47', 'start_time': '26:46', 'text': 'Beautiful.'},\n {'end_time': '26:48', 'start_time': '26:47', 'text': 'Thank you, doctor Radhakrishnan.'},\n {'end_time': '26:49', 'start_time': '26:49', 'text': 'Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '26:51', 'start_time': '26:49', 'text': 'Another gorgeous podcast with you.'},\n {'end_time': '26:56', 'start_time': '26:51', 'text': \"Obviously, guys, I'll be linking all of those books on Chanakya and his latest book on the Chanakya Niti down below.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:57', 'start_time': '26:57', 'text': 'Make sure you check it out.'},\n {'end_time': '26:59', 'start_time': '26:57', 'text': 'Make you follow us on all these handles.'},\n {'end_time': '27:03', 'start_time': '26:59', 'text': 'And until next time from doctor Radhakrishnan Thalai and Ranveer Allahabad.'},\n {'end_time': '27:04', 'start_time': '27:03', 'text': 'Thank you, sir.'}],\n dtype=object)}", "role": "user" }, { "content": "{'chapters': array([{'start_time': '00:00', 'title': 'Introduction'},\n {'start_time': '01:45', 'title': 'Brief history of Chanakya Neeti'},\n {'start_time': '02:23', 'title': 'Books that were written by Chanakya'},\n {'start_time': '03:15', 'title': 'Chanakya Neeti'},\n {'start_time': '04:44', 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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:04", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "New episode of monkey chat featuring Ehsaas Channa, one of India's digital superstars." }, { "end_time": "0:08", "start_time": "0:04", "text": "Many of you all might know her from all the TVF and Girli upper videos she does." }, { "end_time": "0:11", "start_time": "0:08", "text": "She's currently kind of considered the face of TVF." }, { "end_time": "0:15", "start_time": "0:12", "text": "But growing up, she was one of India's biggest child stars." }, { "end_time": "0:21", "start_time": "0:15", "text": "She featured in Kaviya Redhanakena, Vastu Shastra, and a bunch of other ads and films." }, { "end_time": "0:24", "start_time": "0:21", "text": "So she's had her entire career in the media industry." }, { "end_time": "0:28", "start_time": "0:24", "text": "Today, she aspires to become Bollywood's absolute top actress." }, { "end_time": "0:32", "start_time": "0:28", "text": "She's one of the most ambitious street smart human beings I've ever come across in my life." }, { "end_time": "0:40", "start_time": "0:32", "text": "And in today's episode, I'm going to try breaking down her character, her ambition and everything that she wants to do in her life for you guys." }, { "end_time": "0:47", "start_time": "0:40", "text": "We're also going to talk about some relaxed topics like relationships And in true media world style, we've got a rapid fire round at the end." }, { "end_time": "0:48", "start_time": "0:47", "text": "Enjoy yourselves." }, { "end_time": "0:54", "start_time": "0:49", "text": "Welcome to another episode of monkey chat with India's biggest digital star currently, Ehsaas Channa." }, { "end_time": "1:01", "start_time": "0:55", "text": "Many of you all might know her from her roles on TVF and her roles across the digital ecosystem in India." }, { "end_time": "1:04", "start_time": "1:02", "text": "I personally know her from I love you, oh, Sayuri." }, { "end_time": "1:09", "start_time": "1:05", "text": "And I also know her from Vastu Shastra and, of course, Kavyalvada Nakeena." }, { "end_time": "1:10", "start_time": "1:09", "text": "And the Colgate ad." }, { "end_time": "1:11", "start_time": "1:10", "text": "And the Colgate ad." }, { "end_time": "1:13", "start_time": "1:11", "text": "That was my first conversation with Ehsaas." }, { "end_time": "1:15", "start_time": "1:13", "text": "So Ehsaas has been a child actor." }, { "end_time": "1:18", "start_time": "1:15", "text": "Now she's transitioned into being an adult actor." }, { "end_time": "1:19", "start_time": "1:18", "text": "I mean, not an adult actor." }, { "end_time": "1:22", "start_time": "1:20", "text": "But Not yet, guys." }, { "end_time": "1:27", "start_time": "1:23", "text": "But, basically, Ehsaas, thank you, Pharsi, for being on monkey chat." }, { "end_time": "1:28", "start_time": "1:27", "text": "Much on me for that." }, { "end_time": "1:29", "start_time": "1:28", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:35", "start_time": "1:29", "text": "Other than your career and your professional side, I feel like you're one of the most ambitious human beings I've come across in my life." }, { "end_time": "1:42", "start_time": "1:35", "text": "And you don't hide the fact that you wanna reach the absolute top of the media industry in India." }, { "end_time": "1:44", "start_time": "1:43", "text": "So firstly, thanks for being here." }, { "end_time": "1:45", "start_time": "1:44", "text": "Thank you for calling me." }, { "end_time": "1:47", "start_time": "1:45", "text": "Thanks for having me here." }, { "end_time": "1:47", "start_time": "1:47", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:50", "start_time": "1:47", "text": "My first question to you is something I'm curious about because I'm a 90s kid." }, { "end_time": "1:54", "start_time": "1:50", "text": "I grew up watching you in Colgate ads and Himesh Resham your videos." }, { "end_time": "1:56", "start_time": "1:54", "text": "So what was it like growing up as a child star, man?" }, { "end_time": "2:04", "start_time": "1:56", "text": "Like, in this country, because in America, the, stereotype of child stars is that they grow up and get into cocaine and they get into heroin and things like that." }, { "end_time": "2:06", "start_time": "2:04", "text": "But what was it like growing up as a child star?" }, { "end_time": "2:11", "start_time": "2:06", "text": "You're one of the most sober, nice, ambitious, focused human beings now." }, { "end_time": "2:11", "start_time": "2:11", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "2:13", "start_time": "2:11", "text": "So Thanks, Ranveer." }, { "end_time": "2:17", "start_time": "2:13", "text": "So as a kid, when you were an actor, what was happening there?" }, { "end_time": "2:20", "start_time": "2:18", "text": "So, I'll be honest." }, { "end_time": "2:22", "start_time": "2:20", "text": "I've never seen, like, a normal childhood." }, { "end_time": "2:22", "start_time": "2:22", "text": "That's for sure." }, { "end_time": "2:24", "start_time": "2:22", "text": "And I don't know how it is." }, { "end_time": "2:26", "start_time": "2:24", "text": "And I've always wondered how it is." }, { "end_time": "2:28", "start_time": "2:26", "text": "But all my friends were, like, again, not actors." }, { "end_time": "2:36", "start_time": "2:29", "text": "So I sort of know what they go through and everything, but I always, and I'm not it's not like that I'm like, I regret it or something." }, { "end_time": "2:37", "start_time": "2:36", "text": "I just love my childhood." }, { "end_time": "2:43", "start_time": "2:37", "text": "I mean, I don't think that, I can imagine my, like, childhood normal." }, { "end_time": "2:44", "start_time": "2:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:45", "start_time": "2:44", "text": "Being anything else." }, { "end_time": "2:45", "start_time": "2:45", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "2:49", "start_time": "2:45", "text": "But you you felt like, you got that real childhood even though you were looking?" }, { "end_time": "2:49", "start_time": "2:49", "text": "So okay." }, { "end_time": "2:50", "start_time": "2:49", "text": "So I was just coming to that." }, { "end_time": "2:57", "start_time": "2:50", "text": "My mom always made sure that I'm doing everything that a normal 5 year old or a 6 year old or a 7 year old does." }, { "end_time": "2:59", "start_time": "2:57", "text": "So she always made sure." }, { "end_time": "3:15", "start_time": "2:59", "text": "So she like, even if I was working, even if I was, like, into movies or was doing TV shows or whatever, so she always make sure made sure that I'm going going to school regularly, so I'm not missing out on any school or my education and some that is something she always wanted me to go school go to school." }, { "end_time": "3:17", "start_time": "3:16", "text": "And I went to all the classes." }, { "end_time": "3:21", "start_time": "3:17", "text": "Like, I I used to go to class, so I'm not 9 year dancer also." }, { "end_time": "3:28", "start_time": "3:22", "text": "And, she made me, like, go to skating classes and karate classes and swimming classes." }, { "end_time": "3:30", "start_time": "3:28", "text": "So she always made sure that I'm doing all of those things." }, { "end_time": "3:35", "start_time": "3:31", "text": "So that way I've always that was I've, like, lived the normal childhood." }, { "end_time": "3:49", "start_time": "3:35", "text": "But otherwise, like, even in school, like, that little extra attention that I used to get from friends and from teachers and, being pampered on set and seeing, you know, the limelight and everything was I am very lucky to be experiencing all of that." }, { "end_time": "3:50", "start_time": "3:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:50", "start_time": "3:50", "text": "So yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:52", "start_time": "3:50", "text": "Do you remember working with Shah Rukh Khan?" }, { "end_time": "3:52", "start_time": "3:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:52", "start_time": "3:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:58", "start_time": "3:52", "text": "I remember very like properly remember every moment with him because I was I don't know." }, { "end_time": "3:59", "start_time": "3:58", "text": "6 years old." }, { "end_time": "4:00", "start_time": "3:59", "text": "I was, like, really good." }, { "end_time": "4:02", "start_time": "4:00", "text": "So he was a very hum he is a very humble guy." }, { "end_time": "4:04", "start_time": "4:02", "text": "So and it was very cold." }, { "end_time": "4:09", "start_time": "4:04", "text": "So I remember he used to, you know, like, there were a lot of kids, but then there were, like, football scenes happening." }, { "end_time": "4:16", "start_time": "4:09", "text": "And so there were so many kids and used to make, like, everybody run and, you know, warm up and so that we don't feel cold." }, { "end_time": "4:20", "start_time": "4:17", "text": "And there was the shot that I gave and he clapped for me." }, { "end_time": "4:20", "start_time": "4:20", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "4:20", "start_time": "4:20", "text": "So yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:21", "start_time": "4:20", "text": "So I remember these things." }, { "end_time": "4:24", "start_time": "4:21", "text": "I used to make, like, cards for him and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "4:25", "start_time": "4:24", "text": "So I remember these things." }, { "end_time": "4:26", "start_time": "4:25", "text": "Nice." }, { "end_time": "4:28", "start_time": "4:26", "text": "What did you learn from him as a child actor?" }, { "end_time": "4:29", "start_time": "4:28", "text": "Did you pick up anything from Shah Rukh Khan?" }, { "end_time": "4:30", "start_time": "4:29", "text": "Like professionalism or something?" }, { "end_time": "4:33", "start_time": "4:30", "text": "I was very young to pick up something at that point." }, { "end_time": "4:36", "start_time": "4:33", "text": "But I know that he's just very, very humble for the position that he is." }, { "end_time": "4:40", "start_time": "4:36", "text": "Even then he was really humble and nice and very hardworking and very focused." }, { "end_time": "4:46", "start_time": "4:41", "text": "So this is something that, like, it just it was with me all this while." }, { "end_time": "4:49", "start_time": "4:46", "text": "So, otherwise, I don't remember much because of them." }, { "end_time": "4:49", "start_time": "4:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:55", "start_time": "4:49", "text": "Now What was it like being directed by the future biggest producer in Bollywood, Karan Johar, back then?" }, { "end_time": "4:57", "start_time": "4:56", "text": "Was he nice with you?" }, { "end_time": "4:57", "start_time": "4:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:57", "start_time": "4:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:58", "start_time": "4:57", "text": "He was very nice." }, { "end_time": "4:59", "start_time": "4:58", "text": "So I okay." }, { "end_time": "5:01", "start_time": "4:59", "text": "On that said, everybody were really nice to me." }, { "end_time": "5:03", "start_time": "5:01", "text": "So I was this pampered child on set." }, { "end_time": "5:05", "start_time": "5:03", "text": "So everybody used to, like, really pamper me." }, { "end_time": "5:05", "start_time": "5:05", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "5:10", "start_time": "5:05", "text": "And so they were, like, always so we were in New York for 2 months." }, { "end_time": "5:17", "start_time": "5:10", "text": "So there was this, like, on the last day, there was a huge hamper of Barbie dolls and, teddy bears and stuff from Karan Johar." }, { "end_time": "5:19", "start_time": "5:17", "text": "So that was really he was really nice." }, { "end_time": "5:20", "start_time": "5:19", "text": "He was also very fun to work with." }, { "end_time": "5:21", "start_time": "5:20", "text": "He's a very funny man, though." }, { "end_time": "5:22", "start_time": "5:21", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "5:22", "start_time": "5:22", "text": "So is that." }, { "end_time": "5:25", "start_time": "5:22", "text": "So you are the face of TVF now." }, { "end_time": "5:29", "start_time": "5:25", "text": "You're literally one of, like, the hottest digital stars in the Indian game right now." }, { "end_time": "5:31", "start_time": "5:29", "text": "How far do you wanna take this career?" }, { "end_time": "5:34", "start_time": "5:31", "text": "Like, what's your ultimate goal with what you're doing right now?" }, { "end_time": "5:36", "start_time": "5:34", "text": "So this was never planned." }, { "end_time": "5:38", "start_time": "5:36", "text": "This is something that I never planned, and I never saw it coming." }, { "end_time": "5:44", "start_time": "5:40", "text": "So I didn't know that it's going to be this huge, and it's gonna work so well for me." }, { "end_time": "5:50", "start_time": "5:45", "text": "I'm very satisfied, and I'm really happy where I am right now, on a digital level." }, { "end_time": "5:52", "start_time": "5:50", "text": "And I would definitely like to continue this." }, { "end_time": "5:57", "start_time": "5:52", "text": "But again, like I as I told you that my, main goal is to get into Bollywood Okay." }, { "end_time": "5:59", "start_time": "5:57", "text": "And become a Bollywood actress." }, { "end_time": "6:08", "start_time": "6:00", "text": "But as far as whatever I'm doing right now, I would love to continue doing this because this is also very safe and it's a really fun and interesting space to be in." }, { "end_time": "6:09", "start_time": "6:08", "text": "And it's growing very fast." }, { "end_time": "6:10", "start_time": "6:09", "text": "And it's grow exactly." }, { "end_time": "6:11", "start_time": "6:10", "text": "It's growing really fast." }, { "end_time": "6:18", "start_time": "6:11", "text": "And for an actor, especially, it's a huge opportunity to, like, you know, do different kinds of roles." }, { "end_time": "6:23", "start_time": "6:18", "text": "So because I like, being in TV, I have done all kinds of roles that I wanted to do." }, { "end_time": "6:25", "start_time": "6:23", "text": "It's given me, like, really different different characters." }, { "end_time": "6:26", "start_time": "6:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:30", "start_time": "6:26", "text": "It's given me a lot of chances, and it's given me a lot of good work, good projects." }, { "end_time": "6:38", "start_time": "6:31", "text": "So I would definitely continue to do this even if it's for Netflix or Amazon or any other platform." }, { "end_time": "6:39", "start_time": "6:38", "text": "Not only TVF, I mean." }, { "end_time": "6:40", "start_time": "6:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:40", "start_time": "6:40", "text": "But I would yes." }, { "end_time": "6:46", "start_time": "6:40", "text": "You know, there's like a lot of struggling actors and actresses out there who could, like, kill to be in your position right now." }, { "end_time": "6:59", "start_time": "6:46", "text": "So, like, with everything you've achieved at TVF and all the kind of digital offers that are coming your way, so my question to you is, firstly, now that there's so much growth on digital, how come you're, like, still looking at things like Bollywood?" }, { "end_time": "7:01", "start_time": "6:59", "text": "Has that always been like a childhood dream of it?" }, { "end_time": "7:09", "start_time": "7:01", "text": "I think maybe that, because, like, as when I did Kabhi Al Vedan again, I always had this and I want to become a Bollywood Heroine." }, { "end_time": "7:10", "start_time": "7:09", "text": "This was always there." }, { "end_time": "7:11", "start_time": "7:10", "text": "So it's never left." }, { "end_time": "7:12", "start_time": "7:12", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "7:17", "start_time": "7:12", "text": "Even if I did, like, a lot of TV or digital or anything, that's never left." }, { "end_time": "7:17", "start_time": "7:17", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "7:22", "start_time": "7:17", "text": "And, again, I would like to roll because I've been always, you know, wanting it and dreaming about it." }, { "end_time": "7:24", "start_time": "7:22", "text": "So I would obviously want to try it out." }, { "end_time": "7:26", "start_time": "7:24", "text": "I would not want to, like, give up on it." }, { "end_time": "7:28", "start_time": "7:26", "text": "Is that something you're working towards right now?" }, { "end_time": "7:28", "start_time": "7:28", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "7:30", "start_time": "7:28", "text": "That is something I'm totally working towards." }, { "end_time": "7:40", "start_time": "7:31", "text": "Even though I'm, like, super busy with digital things that I'm doing also in if it's if it's Instagram or anything, but that is something I'm constantly working towards." }, { "end_time": "7:42", "start_time": "7:40", "text": "You know, that's what sets you apart." }, { "end_time": "7:49", "start_time": "7:42", "text": "Also, I see a lot of actors and actresses who are your age, who do a little bit of work, and then they spend a lot of time partying because they think the network can be built at parties." }, { "end_time": "7:50", "start_time": "7:49", "text": "And you're someone who barely parties." }, { "end_time": "7:52", "start_time": "7:50", "text": "You're always, like, hustling." }, { "end_time": "7:53", "start_time": "7:52", "text": "You're running around for auditions." }, { "end_time": "7:54", "start_time": "7:53", "text": "You're going for your shoots." }, { "end_time": "7:55", "start_time": "7:54", "text": "You reach your shoots on time." }, { "end_time": "7:57", "start_time": "7:55", "text": "You're doing digital commitments like this." }, { "end_time": "7:58", "start_time": "7:57", "text": "You know, you're giving podcasts." }, { "end_time": "8:00", "start_time": "7:58", "text": "So you're really hustling towards it." }, { "end_time": "8:05", "start_time": "8:00", "text": "And that's why if I had to put my money on someone who definitely make it big in the media world, it would be you, Ani." }, { "end_time": "8:06", "start_time": "8:05", "text": "That's so sweet." }, { "end_time": "8:09", "start_time": "8:06", "text": "So, I really don't like to party." }, { "end_time": "8:15", "start_time": "8:09", "text": "I think I also also give it to my mother because she's always been like a very, fairly strict mother." }, { "end_time": "8:17", "start_time": "8:15", "text": "So, Like, you still have curfews now?" }, { "end_time": "8:17", "start_time": "8:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:18", "start_time": "8:17", "text": "I still have curfews." }, { "end_time": "8:20", "start_time": "8:18", "text": "Like, I'm 20 years old and I still she wants me back." }, { "end_time": "8:24", "start_time": "8:20", "text": "If I'm not shooting, if I'm out with friends, she wants me back like, by 10:30." }, { "end_time": "8:28", "start_time": "8:24", "text": "And, so she's all it's whatever." }, { "end_time": "8:31", "start_time": "8:28", "text": "Like, even if I'm not going into drugs or whatever, like you said, it's all because of her." }, { "end_time": "8:33", "start_time": "8:31", "text": "You see a lot of drugs around you?" }, { "end_time": "8:33", "start_time": "8:33", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "8:33", "start_time": "8:33", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "8:34", "start_time": "8:33", "text": "I'll be yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:35", "start_time": "8:34", "text": "Like, I'm not just talking about weed." }, { "end_time": "8:38", "start_time": "8:35", "text": "I'm talking about, like, you've seen people doing coke and things like that." }, { "end_time": "8:38", "start_time": "8:38", "text": "Not that." }, { "end_time": "8:40", "start_time": "8:39", "text": "Only weed people have seen it." }, { "end_time": "8:42", "start_time": "8:40", "text": "But weed and hash, it's, like, spread all over the world." }, { "end_time": "8:43", "start_time": "8:42", "text": "Everywhere, dude." }, { "end_time": "8:43", "start_time": "8:43", "text": "Everywhere." }, { "end_time": "8:45", "start_time": "8:43", "text": "And I'm sure you've been offered, like, weed and hash." }, { "end_time": "8:46", "start_time": "8:45", "text": "Like Not offered." }, { "end_time": "8:49", "start_time": "8:46", "text": "As like people are doing and I would have done it." }, { "end_time": "8:51", "start_time": "8:49", "text": "Like, I it's just that I never even tried." }, { "end_time": "8:53", "start_time": "8:51", "text": "Like, I don't even want to experience how it is because I know how it is." }, { "end_time": "8:57", "start_time": "8:53", "text": "Like, I can I've seen people be, like, all happy and everything." }, { "end_time": "8:57", "start_time": "8:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:59", "start_time": "8:57", "text": "But my high is in food and work and stuff." }, { "end_time": "9:02", "start_time": "8:59", "text": "And being the face of TVF and the Indian digital ecosystem." }, { "end_time": "9:04", "start_time": "9:02", "text": "People recognizing me on growth." }, { "end_time": "9:05", "start_time": "9:04", "text": "That's my high." }, { "end_time": "9:09", "start_time": "9:05", "text": "You once told me that, like, one of your ultimate ambitions in life is to not be able to get out of your house." }, { "end_time": "9:10", "start_time": "9:09", "text": "That's how famous you wanna be." }, { "end_time": "9:12", "start_time": "9:10", "text": "And I think you're working towards that for sure, and it's going to happen." }, { "end_time": "9:18", "start_time": "9:13", "text": "But right now, because you're like the face of TVF and, you know, everybody knows you, how does it feel getting so much attention?" }, { "end_time": "9:23", "start_time": "9:18", "text": "Like, there's already, like, I think people who crowd around you saying, oh, shit." }, { "end_time": "9:24", "start_time": "9:23", "text": "SR has entered the room." }, { "end_time": "9:25", "start_time": "9:24", "text": "Things like that." }, { "end_time": "9:26", "start_time": "9:25", "text": "It's really nice." }, { "end_time": "9:27", "start_time": "9:26", "text": "I I I love it." }, { "end_time": "9:32", "start_time": "9:27", "text": "Like, yesterday, I was traveling by auto and I was I just passed, like, a random girl and she screamed my name." }, { "end_time": "9:36", "start_time": "9:32", "text": "So it really gave me like, I really felt amazing about it." }, { "end_time": "9:36", "start_time": "9:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:38", "start_time": "9:36", "text": "So now it's come to a point where people actually know my name." }, { "end_time": "9:40", "start_time": "9:38", "text": "Earlier, it was like, oh, TV." }, { "end_time": "9:41", "start_time": "9:40", "text": "Oh, you've done that film." }, { "end_time": "9:42", "start_time": "9:41", "text": "Oh, can we have a picture?" }, { "end_time": "9:43", "start_time": "9:42", "text": "But now they've called you." }, { "end_time": "9:43", "start_time": "9:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:45", "start_time": "9:44", "text": "So that's really great." }, { "end_time": "9:47", "start_time": "9:45", "text": "So now it's like, I feel like I'm building towards it." }, { "end_time": "9:48", "start_time": "9:47", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "9:49", "start_time": "9:49", "text": "I love it." }, { "end_time": "9:50", "start_time": "9:50", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "9:53", "start_time": "9:50", "text": "So, yeah, I will never get, like, bored of it or annoyed by it or anything." }, { "end_time": "9:53", "start_time": "9:53", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "9:53", "start_time": "9:53", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "10:02", "start_time": "9:53", "text": "Plus you're entering the 2020s where, I kind of feel that, both digital and Bollywood are kind of slowly gonna be at the same level." }, { "end_time": "10:05", "start_time": "10:02", "text": "Maybe it's not the same level right now, but say in like 2025, 2027." }, { "end_time": "10:06", "start_time": "10:05", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "10:07", "start_time": "10:06", "text": "I can see it coming." }, { "end_time": "10:07", "start_time": "10:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:07", "start_time": "10:07", "text": "Same." }, { "end_time": "10:14", "start_time": "10:07", "text": "And, I think you are gonna reach that what I call, you know, just crazy level of fame eventually." }, { "end_time": "10:16", "start_time": "10:14", "text": "My question to you right now is about, like, dating." }, { "end_time": "10:19", "start_time": "10:16", "text": "Let's make this like coffee with Karan style." }, { "end_time": "10:24", "start_time": "10:19", "text": "So is there is there any person in your life right now?" }, { "end_time": "10:24", "start_time": "10:24", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "10:25", "start_time": "10:24", "text": "You're single?" }, { "end_time": "10:25", "start_time": "10:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:25", "start_time": "10:25", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "10:28", "start_time": "10:25", "text": "But I'm sure you get, like, a lot of guy attention, generally." }, { "end_time": "10:28", "start_time": "10:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:30", "start_time": "10:28", "text": "I get a lot of I love it." }, { "end_time": "10:30", "start_time": "10:30", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "10:31", "start_time": "10:30", "text": "Oh, nice." }, { "end_time": "10:33", "start_time": "10:31", "text": "So but you're not looking for anything right now?" }, { "end_time": "10:38", "start_time": "10:36", "text": "I mean, nobody stops looking for it." }, { "end_time": "10:40", "start_time": "10:38", "text": "Like, I feel like it's it's just yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:44", "start_time": "10:40", "text": "I'm not, like, deliberately, like, making any efforts to, like, find a guy or anything." }, { "end_time": "10:48", "start_time": "10:46", "text": "If somebody comes along, I'm, like, great." }, { "end_time": "10:48", "start_time": "10:48", "text": "Happy." }, { "end_time": "10:51", "start_time": "10:48", "text": "If somebody really, like, clicks or whatever." }, { "end_time": "10:55", "start_time": "10:52", "text": "But, SSI, I wanna come back to this concept of dating." }, { "end_time": "10:59", "start_time": "10:55", "text": "I know for a fact that there's a lot of guys all around you who want to date you." }, { "end_time": "11:06", "start_time": "10:59", "text": "So I wanna ask you, breaking away from the SSI standard, what does a 20 year old SSI standard look for in a guy?" }, { "end_time": "11:08", "start_time": "11:06", "text": "That's a very good question." }, { "end_time": "11:15", "start_time": "11:08", "text": "I think for me, the guy has to be really, really it's not like a pressure or anything, but he has to be, like, really well read." }, { "end_time": "11:15", "start_time": "11:15", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "11:16", "start_time": "11:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:23", "start_time": "11:16", "text": "For me, I feel like he has to be not well read, but he just has to, like, like, be really smart and not be dumb." }, { "end_time": "11:24", "start_time": "11:23", "text": "Like, I can't do dumb people." }, { "end_time": "11:33", "start_time": "11:24", "text": "I mean, I can't say I meant I meant that I can't, like You can't be with heart." }, { "end_time": "11:35", "start_time": "11:34", "text": "Fair enough." }, { "end_time": "11:36", "start_time": "11:35", "text": "You know why?" }, { "end_time": "11:39", "start_time": "11:36", "text": "Because I also feel like you're a really intelligent person yourself." }, { "end_time": "11:42", "start_time": "11:39", "text": "The thing is, like, well when I say well read, I'm not, like, very well read." }, { "end_time": "11:46", "start_time": "11:42", "text": "Like, I don't know anything about politics and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "11:50", "start_time": "11:46", "text": "So when I'm having a and I think for me, I really spend a lot of time with my Boyfriend." }, { "end_time": "11:51", "start_time": "11:51", "text": "Boyfriend." }, { "end_time": "11:54", "start_time": "11:52", "text": "So and I have, like, longest conversation with that person." }, { "end_time": "11:59", "start_time": "11:54", "text": "So he has to, like, be really, like, well read and, you know, he has to have a lot of knowledge." }, { "end_time": "12:01", "start_time": "11:59", "text": "So that knowledge will come together." }, { "end_time": "12:03", "start_time": "12:01", "text": "This is how I use people." }, { "end_time": "12:04", "start_time": "12:03", "text": "Oh, oh, fair enough." }, { "end_time": "12:04", "start_time": "12:04", "text": "Fair enough." }, { "end_time": "12:07", "start_time": "12:04", "text": "So you're using your boyfriend to basically better yourself." }, { "end_time": "12:07", "start_time": "12:07", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "12:08", "start_time": "12:07", "text": "That's okay, ma'am." }, { "end_time": "12:09", "start_time": "12:08", "text": "That's alright." }, { "end_time": "12:09", "start_time": "12:09", "text": "You're done." }, { "end_time": "12:12", "start_time": "12:10", "text": "All the basics has to be caring, nice, sweet." }, { "end_time": "12:13", "start_time": "12:13", "text": "Hot?" }, { "end_time": "12:14", "start_time": "12:13", "text": "Hot." }, { "end_time": "12:15", "start_time": "12:14", "text": "Oh, okay." }, { "end_time": "12:17", "start_time": "12:15", "text": "Do girls really look for, like, looks?" }, { "end_time": "12:19", "start_time": "12:17", "text": "Do you think that's actually a thing?" }, { "end_time": "12:19", "start_time": "12:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:20", "start_time": "12:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:20", "start_time": "12:20", "text": "I know." }, { "end_time": "12:21", "start_time": "12:20", "text": "I mean, even guys do." }, { "end_time": "12:23", "start_time": "12:22", "text": "Not only girls do." }, { "end_time": "12:23", "start_time": "12:23", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "12:24", "start_time": "12:23", "text": "But there's this whole concept." }, { "end_time": "12:25", "start_time": "12:24", "text": "See, guys are shallow human beings." }, { "end_time": "12:25", "start_time": "12:25", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "12:32", "start_time": "12:25", "text": "So guys are very visual and I feel like girls are visual, but it's lesser than the extent that guys are." }, { "end_time": "12:33", "start_time": "12:32", "text": "That's just my observation." }, { "end_time": "12:35", "start_time": "12:33", "text": "I really look for Luke." }, { "end_time": "12:39", "start_time": "12:35", "text": "I don't know about other girls, but I thought for Maya has to be really good looking." }, { "end_time": "12:39", "start_time": "12:39", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "12:41", "start_time": "12:39", "text": "Plus, I think you're in the media industry." }, { "end_time": "12:43", "start_time": "12:41", "text": "So you have to have some arm candy with you also." }, { "end_time": "12:43", "start_time": "12:43", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "12:43", "start_time": "12:43", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "12:44", "start_time": "12:43", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "12:45", "start_time": "12:44", "text": "That's not maybe." }, { "end_time": "12:47", "start_time": "12:45", "text": "But I'm not talking about it." }, { "end_time": "12:47", "start_time": "12:47", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "12:47", "start_time": "12:47", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "12:47", "start_time": "12:47", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "12:48", "start_time": "12:47", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "12:54", "start_time": "12:48", "text": "If I tell you that you can only choose one thing for the rest of your life, that fame or a stable family life and relationship, what would you do?" }, { "end_time": "12:55", "start_time": "12:54", "text": "The fame." }, { "end_time": "12:55", "start_time": "12:55", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "12:57", "start_time": "12:55", "text": "I've never believed, like, in getting married or whatever." }, { "end_time": "13:02", "start_time": "12:57", "text": "I mean, I'm too young to be saying that, but all this while it's never I never thought of getting married." }, { "end_time": "13:02", "start_time": "13:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:03", "start_time": "13:02", "text": "You're hungry for, like, fame." }, { "end_time": "13:09", "start_time": "13:03", "text": "I'm hungry for, like, if I don't get what I want, like, my fame or whatever that I had planned by 26, I will not get married." }, { "end_time": "13:11", "start_time": "13:09", "text": "Or by 30, I will not actually." }, { "end_time": "13:13", "start_time": "13:11", "text": "Yourself a failure if that happens?" }, { "end_time": "13:13", "start_time": "13:13", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "13:14", "start_time": "13:13", "text": "Not a failure." }, { "end_time": "13:17", "start_time": "13:15", "text": "I mean, I will keep trying and I don't think that I will actually fail." }, { "end_time": "13:18", "start_time": "13:17", "text": "I will do something." }, { "end_time": "13:21", "start_time": "13:18", "text": "I'll figure out and I'll manage something." }, { "end_time": "13:21", "start_time": "13:21", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:24", "start_time": "13:21", "text": "But I'm saying that, like, for me, work is always a priority." }, { "end_time": "13:25", "start_time": "13:24", "text": "I have to, like Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:31", "start_time": "13:25", "text": "You know, for any successful person, I feel there's 2 main traits above anything else, which is like consistent hustle, which is what you're doing." }, { "end_time": "13:34", "start_time": "13:31", "text": "Because I know you as a friend, I know how hard you work at your craft." }, { "end_time": "13:36", "start_time": "13:34", "text": "You keep getting better at acting." }, { "end_time": "13:37", "start_time": "13:36", "text": "Keep going for auditions." }, { "end_time": "13:39", "start_time": "13:37", "text": "And the second aspect is this positivity that you have." }, { "end_time": "13:40", "start_time": "13:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:44", "start_time": "13:41", "text": "My next question to you is because we referenced coffee with Karan." }, { "end_time": "13:46", "start_time": "13:44", "text": "I wanna ask you about Karan Johor right now." }, { "end_time": "13:51", "start_time": "13:46", "text": "So with Dharma Productions, you know, like launching, like, so many people and this whole nepotism debate that's happening." }, { "end_time": "13:53", "start_time": "13:51", "text": "Have you tried reaching out again to him?" }, { "end_time": "13:54", "start_time": "13:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:54", "start_time": "13:54", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "13:54", "start_time": "13:54", "text": "I have." }, { "end_time": "13:56", "start_time": "13:54", "text": "You've tried reaching out to Karanj over." }, { "end_time": "13:57", "start_time": "13:56", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "13:58", "start_time": "13:57", "text": "And and it's not worked well." }, { "end_time": "13:59", "start_time": "13:58", "text": "Like, what do you mean?" }, { "end_time": "14:04", "start_time": "13:59", "text": "I don't I don't I'm not gonna blame him, but he's at such a big platform right now." }, { "end_time": "14:10", "start_time": "14:04", "text": "He's such a big man that, I mean, I'm sure it's not very easy or it's not possible for him to meet, like, everybody." }, { "end_time": "14:13", "start_time": "14:12", "text": "And I'm not it's not him." }, { "end_time": "14:16", "start_time": "14:13", "text": "It's the people who work for him, like, under him." }, { "end_time": "14:18", "start_time": "14:16", "text": "So they will not let you, like, reach him." }, { "end_time": "14:23", "start_time": "14:18", "text": "Like, it's not that if I meet him at a party tomorrow and if I go meet him, I'm sure he's such a nice man." }, { "end_time": "14:29", "start_time": "14:23", "text": "He's such a great man that he will always, like, be really nice to me if I remind him, like, you remember I was Arjun from." }, { "end_time": "14:33", "start_time": "14:30", "text": "He's gonna but it's just reaching, like, just reaching him is a little difficult." }, { "end_time": "14:36", "start_time": "14:34", "text": "If you do if you reach him, then it's great." }, { "end_time": "14:39", "start_time": "14:36", "text": "I mean, he's definitely gonna entertain me and be really nice to me because I believe that." }, { "end_time": "14:41", "start_time": "14:39", "text": "I've seen him on TV." }, { "end_time": "14:42", "start_time": "14:41", "text": "I've seen his reality shows." }, { "end_time": "14:46", "start_time": "14:42", "text": "I've seen him judge people, on reality shows, and I know he's a good person." }, { "end_time": "14:48", "start_time": "14:46", "text": "So, you know, like a vibe." }, { "end_time": "14:50", "start_time": "14:48", "text": "I get that really good vibe from him." }, { "end_time": "14:58", "start_time": "14:50", "text": "But just reaching him is a little difficult because he's at such a big, platform, and he's, like, such a big man right now." }, { "end_time": "15:00", "start_time": "14:58", "text": "I and I completely get that." }, { "end_time": "15:02", "start_time": "15:00", "text": "It's not that I'm, again, blaming anybody for that." }, { "end_time": "15:04", "start_time": "15:02", "text": "I mean, it's really difficult to reach such a big man." }, { "end_time": "15:12", "start_time": "15:06", "text": "But, yeah, I really, really respect and appreciate him for the work that he's doing and for what he's become right now." }, { "end_time": "15:13", "start_time": "15:12", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "15:22", "start_time": "15:13", "text": "If I told you, you know, if you had a chance to model your career, based on, like, someone who's, like, currently in Bollywood, who would you model it on?" }, { "end_time": "15:27", "start_time": "15:23", "text": "I really wanna do the kind of work Alia Bhatt does, like the roles that she does and everything." }, { "end_time": "15:32", "start_time": "15:28", "text": "But I also really look up to Radhika Apte because she's not from a Bollywood background." }, { "end_time": "15:36", "start_time": "15:32", "text": "She's, like, a non celebrity kid." }, { "end_time": "15:36", "start_time": "15:36", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "15:42", "start_time": "15:36", "text": "And she still come up so well, and she's done some amazing projects, and she's really worked hard." }, { "end_time": "15:45", "start_time": "15:42", "text": "So, like, in terms of your work strategy, you'd go for Alibat." }, { "end_time": "15:48", "start_time": "15:45", "text": "But, Radhika is someone who inspires you a lot." }, { "end_time": "15:49", "start_time": "15:48", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "15:50", "start_time": "15:49", "text": "That's a good way of putting it." }, { "end_time": "15:52", "start_time": "15:50", "text": "And I wanna come back to TVF now." }, { "end_time": "15:56", "start_time": "15:52", "text": "So TVF is literally the single biggest, like, media company in India today." }, { "end_time": "16:00", "start_time": "15:57", "text": "Digital media company, I think they're probably the single biggest one." }, { "end_time": "16:03", "start_time": "16:00", "text": "My question to you is working at TVF, dude, what's it like?" }, { "end_time": "16:04", "start_time": "16:03", "text": "Because you didn't join TVF from the beginning." }, { "end_time": "16:05", "start_time": "16:04", "text": "You've joined TVF now." }, { "end_time": "16:07", "start_time": "16:05", "text": "You've now you've become like a crucial part of it." }, { "end_time": "16:10", "start_time": "16:07", "text": "Now you're like the face of it, the front end of it." }, { "end_time": "16:13", "start_time": "16:10", "text": "So what is the work culture like at TVF like?" }, { "end_time": "16:16", "start_time": "16:13", "text": "So, like people at TVF are really generous." }, { "end_time": "16:23", "start_time": "16:16", "text": "I mean, TVF has been really, really generous to me because they've given me so much work and they've called me, like, back to back for sketches." }, { "end_time": "16:30", "start_time": "16:23", "text": "And that's how I've become a face and that's and they've given me, like, really big shows like Kota and Girls' Hostel and Humptyom and all." }, { "end_time": "16:37", "start_time": "16:32", "text": "So the work culture there is, like, very like, if you go to that office, you will not feel like an office." }, { "end_time": "16:39", "start_time": "16:37", "text": "You will just, like it's like a family." }, { "end_time": "16:44", "start_time": "16:39", "text": "Everybody is, like, having so much fun." }, { "end_time": "16:46", "start_time": "16:44", "text": "They're all like there's Sachin." }, { "end_time": "16:52", "start_time": "16:46", "text": "There's Badri who are, like, playing cricket in the common area, and then there's something going on there and something people are screaming." }, { "end_time": "16:56", "start_time": "16:52", "text": "It's it's such it feels now TVF has actually become my second family." }, { "end_time": "16:57", "start_time": "16:56", "text": "I go there so much." }, { "end_time": "17:01", "start_time": "16:57", "text": "And even though I'm not an employee, but I just, like, feel like I'm in perfect zone." }, { "end_time": "17:02", "start_time": "17:01", "text": "Always there." }, { "end_time": "17:05", "start_time": "17:02", "text": "And that's for some reading or for some look test or something." }, { "end_time": "17:07", "start_time": "17:06", "text": "They're really nice to work with." }, { "end_time": "17:13", "start_time": "17:07", "text": "And the best part about it, them is, like, they've been they're very open to feedback." }, { "end_time": "17:22", "start_time": "17:14", "text": "So I think this is the reason that the the content is so great that they're always open to feedback and they actually, you know, apply apply imply whatever." }, { "end_time": "17:22", "start_time": "17:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:24", "start_time": "17:22", "text": "They apply everything that comes." }, { "end_time": "17:25", "start_time": "17:24", "text": "Feedback on everything." }, { "end_time": "17:27", "start_time": "17:25", "text": "So even me, like, I'm not an actor." }, { "end_time": "17:29", "start_time": "17:28", "text": "I'm not a writer." }, { "end_time": "17:29", "start_time": "17:29", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "17:34", "start_time": "17:29", "text": "So, but if I have some feedback, they will always like, you know, consider it and think about it and discuss it." }, { "end_time": "17:41", "start_time": "17:35", "text": "So I think that is the they're really, really, open towards everything." }, { "end_time": "17:42", "start_time": "17:41", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "17:44", "start_time": "17:42", "text": "And do you think it's like a very fast office to work at?" }, { "end_time": "17:44", "start_time": "17:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:45", "start_time": "17:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:45", "start_time": "17:45", "text": "Very fast." }, { "end_time": "17:47", "start_time": "17:45", "text": "Like, the everything and there's so many things happening." }, { "end_time": "17:48", "start_time": "17:47", "text": "There's something going on." }, { "end_time": "17:50", "start_time": "17:48", "text": "There's some discussion going on there." }, { "end_time": "17:55", "start_time": "17:50", "text": "I heard hear about something that they're working on something and the next month I see it's actually happening." }, { "end_time": "17:56", "start_time": "17:55", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "17:56", "start_time": "17:56", "text": "On it." }, { "end_time": "17:57", "start_time": "17:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:58", "start_time": "17:57", "text": "So they're very, very fast also." }, { "end_time": "17:59", "start_time": "17:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:00", "start_time": "17:59", "text": "You've also met Arunabh Kumar." }, { "end_time": "18:00", "start_time": "18:00", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "18:01", "start_time": "18:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:01", "start_time": "18:01", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "18:07", "start_time": "18:01", "text": "And, like, in the entrepreneurial circles, he's someone who's really looked up to irrespective of whatever controversy happened around him." }, { "end_time": "18:09", "start_time": "18:07", "text": "What's it like being in the same room as him?" }, { "end_time": "18:12", "start_time": "18:09", "text": "Because he's literally, like, I think one of the biggest modern media entrepreneurs." }, { "end_time": "18:13", "start_time": "18:12", "text": "I'll tell you what." }, { "end_time": "18:21", "start_time": "18:13", "text": "So he, the best part about him, and I think this is what I really love about him, is that he talks to everyone." }, { "end_time": "18:21", "start_time": "18:21", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "18:31", "start_time": "18:21", "text": "Like, any even, if there's, like, a new employee in the in the company, he will text that person and, you know, ask, like, are you okay?" }, { "end_time": "18:33", "start_time": "18:31", "text": "What is bothering you?" }, { "end_time": "18:34", "start_time": "18:33", "text": "Is there something going on?" }, { "end_time": "18:39", "start_time": "18:34", "text": "And so he came to my birthday party the other day, and I had I know he was really nice of him to come." }, { "end_time": "18:43", "start_time": "18:39", "text": "So he came and I and there were, like, a lot of TVF people as well." }, { "end_time": "18:54", "start_time": "18:43", "text": "So they were all, like, they were also having fun, but I saw him going to, like, everyone and having, like, a 15 minute conversation with everybody, which I really like about that man because he talks to you." }, { "end_time": "18:56", "start_time": "18:54", "text": "He wants to know, like, a lot of things." }, { "end_time": "18:59", "start_time": "18:56", "text": "I think that is why he's being able he's been able to, like, build such a big company." }, { "end_time": "19:04", "start_time": "19:00", "text": "And so even with me, like, I hadn't met him, like, before before." }, { "end_time": "19:05", "start_time": "19:04", "text": "Like, not before the party." }, { "end_time": "19:08", "start_time": "19:05", "text": "Like, I met him, like, a couple of times before the party." }, { "end_time": "19:14", "start_time": "19:08", "text": "But the the first time we actually spoke was on Instagram, and we had, like, a whole conversation." }, { "end_time": "19:16", "start_time": "19:15", "text": "He really appreciates." }, { "end_time": "19:18", "start_time": "19:16", "text": "So he also really appreciates and encourages you." }, { "end_time": "19:19", "start_time": "19:18", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "19:21", "start_time": "19:19", "text": "And he gives you a really honest feedback." }, { "end_time": "19:25", "start_time": "19:21", "text": "And if if it's on a sketch or a character that I played." }, { "end_time": "19:33", "start_time": "19:25", "text": "So he that way he's really like, he goes and speaks to you and he, you know, gives his feedback and he asks for your feedback." }, { "end_time": "19:34", "start_time": "19:33", "text": "And I think Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:39", "start_time": "19:34", "text": "That's probably, his founder mentality that's gone into, like, all the layers of TVF." }, { "end_time": "19:43", "start_time": "19:39", "text": "That's why he probably even TVF is open to all the feedback from people for their content." }, { "end_time": "19:48", "start_time": "19:44", "text": "But again, let's come back to, like, the most serious aspect of your life, which is your career." }, { "end_time": "19:50", "start_time": "19:49", "text": "You know, you've made it big again on digital." }, { "end_time": "19:52", "start_time": "19:50", "text": "I'm dead sure there's a lot of jealousy around you." }, { "end_time": "19:53", "start_time": "19:52", "text": "There is negative emotion." }, { "end_time": "19:56", "start_time": "19:55", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "19:57", "start_time": "19:56", "text": "That's that's how I deal with it." }, { "end_time": "19:58", "start_time": "19:57", "text": "And you're continuing your Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:59", "start_time": "19:58", "text": "Process." }, { "end_time": "19:59", "start_time": "19:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:59", "start_time": "19:59", "text": "Nice." }, { "end_time": "20:01", "start_time": "19:59", "text": "And I feel happy that people are jealous of me." }, { "end_time": "20:03", "start_time": "20:01", "text": "Have you have you seen bitchiness around you?" }, { "end_time": "20:03", "start_time": "20:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:04", "start_time": "20:03", "text": "A lot." }, { "end_time": "20:04", "start_time": "20:04", "text": "Like what?" }, { "end_time": "20:07", "start_time": "20:05", "text": "Like, people just unfollowing me for no reason." }, { "end_time": "20:12", "start_time": "20:07", "text": "Like, we're talking and we're friends and people just unfollow me and they think that I don't know what I do." }, { "end_time": "20:12", "start_time": "20:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:15", "start_time": "20:12", "text": "And, like, people there are girls that, you know, talk Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:16", "start_time": "20:15", "text": "Shit." }, { "end_time": "20:16", "start_time": "20:16", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "20:16", "start_time": "20:16", "text": "Fair enough." }, { "end_time": "20:17", "start_time": "20:16", "text": "Have you ever seen WWE?" }, { "end_time": "20:23", "start_time": "20:18", "text": "So it's it's been there like champions and currently I feel you're holding that belt of young digital star." }, { "end_time": "20:23", "start_time": "20:23", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "20:25", "start_time": "20:23", "text": "That's where all the jealousy is all coming from." }, { "end_time": "20:38", "start_time": "20:26", "text": "How important a role do you think all this, you know, like, networking and charming human other human beings and communication skills play in a career like Bollywood or media?" }, { "end_time": "20:39", "start_time": "20:38", "text": "It really, really Affects it." }, { "end_time": "20:40", "start_time": "20:40", "text": "Affects it." }, { "end_time": "20:43", "start_time": "20:40", "text": "I think it's very important to be, Charming." }, { "end_time": "20:44", "start_time": "20:43", "text": "Charm charming." }, { "end_time": "20:47", "start_time": "20:44", "text": "And, I feel that you just need to, like, talk." }, { "end_time": "20:51", "start_time": "20:47", "text": "If you if like, I used to be a person who wouldn't talk, who was just quiet and just listen." }, { "end_time": "20:53", "start_time": "20:51", "text": "Like you said, I'm a good listener." }, { "end_time": "20:58", "start_time": "20:53", "text": "So I am a good listener, but then I realized that it's it won't work if you're just a good listener." }, { "end_time": "20:59", "start_time": "20:58", "text": "You have to talk." }, { "end_time": "21:02", "start_time": "20:59", "text": "You have to put your opinion, and you have to put your what you think." }, { "end_time": "21:08", "start_time": "21:02", "text": "And if you don't talk, people will think, yeah, she's like just she doesn't talk." }, { "end_time": "21:11", "start_time": "21:08", "text": "So you really have to be very active and You need to have personality." }, { "end_time": "21:13", "start_time": "21:11", "text": "You you really need to have a personality." }, { "end_time": "21:14", "start_time": "21:13", "text": "That's very important." }, { "end_time": "21:23", "start_time": "21:14", "text": "So since this whole TVF change has come into your life, you know, where girl started happening and TVF happened, what are, like, three things that you've learned that you're gonna apply for the rest of your life?" }, { "end_time": "21:25", "start_time": "21:24", "text": "Just be honest." }, { "end_time": "21:26", "start_time": "21:25", "text": "Like, just be yourself." }, { "end_time": "21:34", "start_time": "21:26", "text": "Like, this is what I've really like, there are, like, a lot of people in TVF that haven't, like, directly told me these things, but I just, like, fell and I saw them." }, { "end_time": "21:35", "start_time": "21:34", "text": "They're they're very open." }, { "end_time": "21:37", "start_time": "21:35", "text": "They're just like themselves." }, { "end_time": "21:37", "start_time": "21:37", "text": "They're not fake." }, { "end_time": "21:41", "start_time": "21:37", "text": "So being fake is something that, you know People don't like." }, { "end_time": "21:42", "start_time": "21:41", "text": "People don't like." }, { "end_time": "21:43", "start_time": "21:42", "text": "Like, I wouldn't like." }, { "end_time": "21:47", "start_time": "21:43", "text": "And especially in the industry, if you're fake, like, people really, like, they catch it like that." }, { "end_time": "21:50", "start_time": "21:47", "text": "The fakeness is really, like, people catch it this way." }, { "end_time": "21:55", "start_time": "21:50", "text": "So you just need to be really, really natural and you have to be yourself and honest." }, { "end_time": "21:57", "start_time": "21:56", "text": "And you also have to be very manipulative." }, { "end_time": "21:59", "start_time": "21:58", "text": "You can't be In a positive way." }, { "end_time": "22:00", "start_time": "21:59", "text": "In a positive way." }, { "end_time": "22:00", "start_time": "22:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:04", "start_time": "22:00", "text": "But Like, can you give an example of being manipulative for something good?" }, { "end_time": "22:09", "start_time": "22:05", "text": "Like, if you want to give your opinion on something, on your feedback on something, just be very positive about it." }, { "end_time": "22:11", "start_time": "22:09", "text": "Like, don't Got it." }, { "end_time": "22:12", "start_time": "22:11", "text": "Don't hurt anyone's feelings." }, { "end_time": "22:12", "start_time": "22:12", "text": "Hurt anybody." }, { "end_time": "22:14", "start_time": "22:12", "text": "That's called positive manipulation." }, { "end_time": "22:14", "start_time": "22:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:20", "start_time": "22:14", "text": "So just, like, make a point, but be like a really nice person in In Punjabi, it's called velvet." }, { "end_time": "22:23", "start_time": "22:22", "text": "Oh, smiles." }, { "end_time": "22:27", "start_time": "22:25", "text": "How many guys have you rejected like that?" }, { "end_time": "22:28", "start_time": "22:27", "text": "A lot." }, { "end_time": "22:28", "start_time": "22:28", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "22:29", "start_time": "22:29", "text": "Nice." }, { "end_time": "22:30", "start_time": "22:29", "text": "Very good." }, { "end_time": "22:30", "start_time": "22:30", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "22:35", "start_time": "22:30", "text": "But I feel that there there are a lot of like, there'll be more people who rejected me." }, { "end_time": "22:36", "start_time": "22:35", "text": "Oh, really?" }, { "end_time": "22:36", "start_time": "22:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:36", "start_time": "22:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:36", "start_time": "22:36", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "22:38", "start_time": "22:36", "text": "But let's come back to you rejecting guys." }, { "end_time": "22:41", "start_time": "22:38", "text": "What's your one advice for guys who want a girlfriend at the age of 20?" }, { "end_time": "22:48", "start_time": "22:41", "text": "The other guys who your age and who who living, like, regular college lives, who are desperately looking for a relationship, what would be your advice?" }, { "end_time": "22:50", "start_time": "22:49", "text": "For guys only?" }, { "end_time": "22:50", "start_time": "22:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:54", "start_time": "22:51", "text": "Just just be yourself." }, { "end_time": "23:01", "start_time": "22:54", "text": "Like, I've been to dates where, you know, guys are just acting very as if I'm not like those guys." }, { "end_time": "23:01", "start_time": "23:01", "text": "Guys." }, { "end_time": "23:03", "start_time": "23:01", "text": "So just be yourself, I think." }, { "end_time": "23:03", "start_time": "23:03", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "23:08", "start_time": "23:03", "text": "Just be really natural and just say what you feel and don't try to hide." }, { "end_time": "23:09", "start_time": "23:08", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "23:14", "start_time": "23:09", "text": "So because you're from the media industry, I'm gonna do a very media industry thing and do a rapid fire round at the end of this podcast." }, { "end_time": "23:16", "start_time": "23:15", "text": "And we're at the end of the podcast." }, { "end_time": "23:18", "start_time": "23:16", "text": "So, let's go." }, { "end_time": "23:19", "start_time": "23:18", "text": "Ranbir Kapoor or Ranveer Singh?" }, { "end_time": "23:20", "start_time": "23:19", "text": "Ranveer Singh." }, { "end_time": "23:21", "start_time": "23:20", "text": "Alia Bhatt or Radhika Apte?" }, { "end_time": "23:24", "start_time": "23:23", "text": "Radhika Apte." }, { "end_time": "23:24", "start_time": "23:24", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "23:26", "start_time": "23:24", "text": "Your favorite drink in the whole world, your go to drink?" }, { "end_time": "23:29", "start_time": "23:27", "text": "Strawberry milkshake by McDonald's." }, { "end_time": "23:30", "start_time": "23:29", "text": "And your favorite alcoholic drink in the whole world?" }, { "end_time": "23:31", "start_time": "23:30", "text": "Wine." }, { "end_time": "23:31", "start_time": "23:31", "text": "Red wine." }, { "end_time": "23:33", "start_time": "23:31", "text": "Other than Karan Johar, who's the dream director that you like to work?" }, { "end_time": "23:34", "start_time": "23:33", "text": "Anurag Kashyap." }, { "end_time": "23:35", "start_time": "23:35", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "23:38", "start_time": "23:35", "text": "A dream role that you think you could have done better than someone who did it?" }, { "end_time": "23:44", "start_time": "23:40", "text": "I couldn't do better, but I would love to do, Geet from Okay." }, { "end_time": "23:44", "start_time": "23:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:45", "start_time": "23:44", "text": "That's very you." }, { "end_time": "23:46", "start_time": "23:45", "text": "It's like." }, { "end_time": "23:48", "start_time": "23:46", "text": "But I'm not saying that I would do it better." }, { "end_time": "23:50", "start_time": "23:48", "text": "I would not do it better, but I would like to do it." }, { "end_time": "23:51", "start_time": "23:50", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "23:55", "start_time": "23:51", "text": "Who's the sexiest guy in the acting the digital acting world?" }, { "end_time": "23:56", "start_time": "23:55", "text": "They are." }, { "end_time": "24:00", "start_time": "24:00", "text": "Fuck." }, { "end_time": "24:02", "start_time": "24:01", "text": "Oh, my." }, { "end_time": "24:05", "start_time": "24:04", "text": "Sexiest guy?" }, { "end_time": "24:06", "start_time": "24:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:14", "start_time": "24:06", "text": "Sexiest guy will be the most charming guy is Jeetu." }, { "end_time": "24:15", "start_time": "24:15", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "24:15", "start_time": "24:15", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "24:23", "start_time": "24:17", "text": "The most cutest guy is Sumit Vyas, and the hottest will be Amol Purushan." }, { "end_time": "24:23", "start_time": "24:23", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "24:27", "start_time": "24:23", "text": "And if you're to choose 1 out of these 3 for overall sexiness package Okay." }, { "end_time": "24:34", "start_time": "24:27", "text": "I don't think if you know this, but everybody in TVF and Digital Pin know that I had a humongous crush on Jeetu." }, { "end_time": "24:35", "start_time": "24:34", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "24:35", "start_time": "24:35", "text": "Great." }, { "end_time": "24:36", "start_time": "24:35", "text": "Jeetu is love." }, { "end_time": "24:37", "start_time": "24:36", "text": "Jeetu is big." }, { "end_time": "24:37", "start_time": "24:37", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "24:38", "start_time": "24:37", "text": "Jeetu." }, { "end_time": "24:38", "start_time": "24:38", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "24:42", "start_time": "24:38", "text": "Your ultimate personality trait on a guy other than being well read?" }, { "end_time": "24:46", "start_time": "24:45", "text": "Honesty." }, { "end_time": "24:47", "start_time": "24:46", "text": "Just be honest." }, { "end_time": "24:51", "start_time": "24:47", "text": "Your ultimate personality trait on a guy other than being honest and well read?" }, { "end_time": "24:53", "start_time": "24:52", "text": "Be good looking." }, { "end_time": "24:54", "start_time": "24:53", "text": "Oh, no." }, { "end_time": "24:55", "start_time": "24:54", "text": "But personality trait." }, { "end_time": "24:55", "start_time": "24:55", "text": "Personality." }, { "end_time": "24:56", "start_time": "24:55", "text": "Alright." }, { "end_time": "25:00", "start_time": "24:59", "text": "Just be, like, a funny guy." }, { "end_time": "25:01", "start_time": "25:00", "text": "It would be fun." }, { "end_time": "25:05", "start_time": "25:01", "text": "I I don't like like, sense of humor is there." }, { "end_time": "25:08", "start_time": "25:05", "text": "Like, just make a joke about yourself and I'd be like, wow." }, { "end_time": "25:08", "start_time": "25:08", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "25:13", "start_time": "25:09", "text": "One trait that you wish that your next boyfriend has above everything else that will, like, complete you?" }, { "end_time": "25:20", "start_time": "25:15", "text": "Just, like, just, like, that guy has to be really understanding." }, { "end_time": "25:24", "start_time": "25:20", "text": "Like, my deepest, darkest Secret should be accurate." }, { "end_time": "25:28", "start_time": "25:24", "text": "Or, like, my like, the the darkest mistake that I've made ever in life." }, { "end_time": "25:29", "start_time": "25:28", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "25:30", "start_time": "25:29", "text": "He could just understand that." }, { "end_time": "25:34", "start_time": "25:30", "text": "Like, understand me exactly, like, how I think." }, { "end_time": "25:43", "start_time": "25:34", "text": "I mean, that's impossible, but it's just like One thing that you've never told anyone else in your life that you're gonna reveal on this podcast for the first time." }, { "end_time": "25:44", "start_time": "25:43", "text": "One thing no one knows about you." }, { "end_time": "25:46", "start_time": "25:45", "text": "I never wash my legs." }, { "end_time": "25:47", "start_time": "25:47", "text": "What?" }, { "end_time": "25:48", "start_time": "25:47", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:49", "start_time": "25:49", "text": "Like what?" }, { "end_time": "25:52", "start_time": "25:49", "text": "Like Like, I don't put soap on my legs." }, { "end_time": "25:53", "start_time": "25:52", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "25:54", "start_time": "25:53", "text": "That's like some fear?" }, { "end_time": "25:55", "start_time": "25:54", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "25:56", "start_time": "25:55", "text": "It's just that it's not required." }, { "end_time": "26:00", "start_time": "25:57", "text": "Because the soap from, like, just, like, washes off." }, { "end_time": "26:01", "start_time": "26:00", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "26:02", "start_time": "26:01", "text": "I really don't have a reason." }, { "end_time": "26:04", "start_time": "26:02", "text": "It's just that I don't, like, scrub my legs." }, { "end_time": "26:04", "start_time": "26:04", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "26:05", "start_time": "26:04", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "26:05", "start_time": "26:05", "text": "Next question." }, { "end_time": "26:07", "start_time": "26:05", "text": "What's your life's biggest insecurity?" }, { "end_time": "26:08", "start_time": "26:07", "text": "Losing work." }, { "end_time": "26:09", "start_time": "26:09", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "26:10", "start_time": "26:09", "text": "Like, not Not making it." }, { "end_time": "26:20", "start_time": "26:11", "text": "Like, not like like, even in TV, there's so many times that I feel like TVF will stop calling me or, like, I won't be as good as I am." }, { "end_time": "26:22", "start_time": "26:20", "text": "And also, like, forgetting acting, how to act." }, { "end_time": "26:24", "start_time": "26:23", "text": "I think both aren't possible." }, { "end_time": "26:30", "start_time": "26:24", "text": "And this is coming as a bro because, like, dude, you've already reached, like, a certain stage of, like, safety in your career." }, { "end_time": "26:33", "start_time": "26:30", "text": "And your 2 talented people see your talent as well." }, { "end_time": "26:34", "start_time": "26:33", "text": "So that that's not gonna happen." }, { "end_time": "26:35", "start_time": "26:34", "text": "I hope." }, { "end_time": "26:35", "start_time": "26:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:36", "start_time": "26:35", "text": "But is there any forget, like, your career." }, { "end_time": "26:38", "start_time": "26:36", "text": "Is there any insecurity in your personal life?" }, { "end_time": "26:39", "start_time": "26:38", "text": "Just losing my mother." }, { "end_time": "26:40", "start_time": "26:40", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "26:45", "start_time": "26:40", "text": "And I'd know that I will at some point, but this is that it's like, I can't imagine my life." }, { "end_time": "26:46", "start_time": "26:45", "text": "Like, I think about it." }, { "end_time": "27:03", "start_time": "26:46", "text": "I'm like, I am, like, a good actress, and I will not let you down." }, { "end_time": "27:05", "start_time": "27:03", "text": "I will work really, really hard." }, { "end_time": "27:07", "start_time": "27:05", "text": "It's always been my dream to work with you." }, { "end_time": "27:09", "start_time": "27:07", "text": "Please cast me in your next film." }, { "end_time": "27:10", "start_time": "27:09", "text": "You won't lose anything." }, { "end_time": "27:13", "start_time": "27:10", "text": "If you had a genie in the bottle, what would you wish for?" }, { "end_time": "27:13", "start_time": "27:13", "text": "Three wishes." }, { "end_time": "27:15", "start_time": "27:14", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "27:15", "start_time": "27:15", "text": "Good." }, { "end_time": "27:16", "start_time": "27:15", "text": "I okay." }, { "end_time": "27:17", "start_time": "27:16", "text": "Three wishes." }, { "end_time": "27:23", "start_time": "27:18", "text": "First is the Bollywood actors banjo, like, Alia For fame?" }, { "end_time": "27:24", "start_time": "27:23", "text": "For fame." }, { "end_time": "27:32", "start_time": "27:24", "text": "For fame, never losing my mother and going back to December 2018." }, { "end_time": "27:33", "start_time": "27:32", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "27:35", "start_time": "27:33", "text": "Just Oh, some okay." }, { "end_time": "27:35", "start_time": "27:35", "text": "Cool." }, { "end_time": "27:36", "start_time": "27:35", "text": "Some personal scene." }, { "end_time": "27:36", "start_time": "27:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:36", "start_time": "27:36", "text": "Next question." }, { "end_time": "27:38", "start_time": "27:36", "text": "What happened in December 2018?" }, { "end_time": "27:39", "start_time": "27:38", "text": "You do it." }, { "end_time": "27:42", "start_time": "27:41", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "27:42", "start_time": "27:42", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "27:42", "start_time": "27:42", "text": "Fine." }, { "end_time": "27:43", "start_time": "27:42", "text": "We're gonna end the interview." }, { "end_time": "27:44", "start_time": "27:43", "text": "Oh." }, { "end_time": "27:44", "start_time": "27:44", "text": "You're gonna you know, wait." }, { "end_time": "27:45", "start_time": "27:44", "text": "We won't end the interview." }, { "end_time": "27:46", "start_time": "27:45", "text": "Go on." }, { "end_time": "27:47", "start_time": "27:46", "text": "In the okay." }, { "end_time": "27:48", "start_time": "27:47", "text": "I'll be honest." }, { "end_time": "27:53", "start_time": "27:48", "text": "In December 2018, I took a lot of things for granted, and I could do a lot of better things." }, { "end_time": "27:57", "start_time": "27:54", "text": "I could handle a lot of things better." }, { "end_time": "27:57", "start_time": "27:57", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "28:01", "start_time": "27:57", "text": "And, I could save a lot of things, but I didn't." }, { "end_time": "28:07", "start_time": "28:01", "text": "I just went in the flow, and I just took a lot of things for granted, and that's I lost a lot of things." }, { "end_time": "28:08", "start_time": "28:07", "text": "What's his name?" }, { "end_time": "28:09", "start_time": "28:08", "text": "His name." }, { "end_time": "28:10", "start_time": "28:09", "text": "Oh, okay." }, { "end_time": "28:10", "start_time": "28:10", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "28:11", "start_time": "28:11", "text": "Cool." }, { "end_time": "28:13", "start_time": "28:11", "text": "It's just But you're single now?" }, { "end_time": "28:13", "start_time": "28:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:14", "start_time": "28:14", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "28:14", "start_time": "28:14", "text": "Cool." }, { "end_time": "28:16", "start_time": "28:15", "text": "Since December 2018." }, { "end_time": "28:17", "start_time": "28:16", "text": "Cool." }, { "end_time": "28:21", "start_time": "28:17", "text": "But but you also I know as a friend, you're on a deep career tangent and like Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:21", "start_time": "28:21", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:21", "start_time": "28:21", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:22", "start_time": "28:21", "text": "So No." }, { "end_time": "28:23", "start_time": "28:22", "text": "I'm not saying you're a guy." }, { "end_time": "28:27", "start_time": "28:23", "text": "I'm like, there are there were a lot of situations and a lot of things and also work." }, { "end_time": "28:28", "start_time": "28:27", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "28:30", "start_time": "28:28", "text": "There was like You could have done things differently." }, { "end_time": "28:31", "start_time": "28:30", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "28:31", "start_time": "28:31", "text": "One final thing." }, { "end_time": "28:33", "start_time": "28:31", "text": "This is not a rapid fire question." }, { "end_time": "28:36", "start_time": "28:33", "text": "This is just like a closing note on this entire podcast." }, { "end_time": "28:38", "start_time": "28:36", "text": "Now you're a friend of mine." }, { "end_time": "28:41", "start_time": "28:38", "text": "And one thing you keep saying is you think that your time is, like, passing you by." }, { "end_time": "28:42", "start_time": "28:41", "text": "1, you're just 20." }, { "end_time": "28:45", "start_time": "28:42", "text": "People's careers don't start till they're, like, 26, 27." }, { "end_time": "28:46", "start_time": "28:45", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "28:49", "start_time": "28:46", "text": "You have, like, you know, even 3, 4 years later, you'll still be super young." }, { "end_time": "28:51", "start_time": "28:50", "text": "So I think you should chill about that." }, { "end_time": "28:59", "start_time": "28:51", "text": "2, people have, like, noticed you right now, and you've achieved a lot more than other people can dream of achieving at, like, the age of 20." }, { "end_time": "29:01", "start_time": "28:59", "text": "3, you had a dream life till now." }, { "end_time": "29:01", "start_time": "29:01", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "29:05", "start_time": "29:01", "text": "Like growing up like as like a child star getting like fame in your life, getting success." }, { "end_time": "29:08", "start_time": "29:05", "text": "You're also making money as a 20 year old and good money." }, { "end_time": "29:09", "start_time": "29:08", "text": "4, okay." }, { "end_time": "29:12", "start_time": "29:10", "text": "I want to ask you a question actually." }, { "end_time": "29:15", "start_time": "29:12", "text": "Why do you feel that your time is passing you by?" }, { "end_time": "29:17", "start_time": "29:15", "text": "Is it like external voices that are telling you that?" }, { "end_time": "29:19", "start_time": "29:17", "text": "Or do you internally feel that from inside?" }, { "end_time": "29:23", "start_time": "29:20", "text": "I think it can be the external voices that are telling me that." }, { "end_time": "29:26", "start_time": "29:24", "text": "But I also feel that time really passes by that." }, { "end_time": "29:31", "start_time": "29:27", "text": "So and I just feel that there's so many days that I've wasted not working." }, { "end_time": "29:33", "start_time": "29:31", "text": "And you're one of the hardest working people that I've met now." }, { "end_time": "29:36", "start_time": "29:33", "text": "But I have also, like, wasted a lot of lot of time." }, { "end_time": "29:37", "start_time": "29:37", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "29:41", "start_time": "29:37", "text": "Like, even in December 2018, I was just being very insecure about myself for no reason." }, { "end_time": "29:45", "start_time": "29:41", "text": "When I could actually give a lot of auditions, then I was just home being depressed for no reason." }, { "end_time": "29:46", "start_time": "29:45", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "29:53", "start_time": "29:46", "text": "So there are the things that I've, like so I think that and I just, like, I feel like 2016 was last year." }, { "end_time": "29:53", "start_time": "29:53", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "29:55", "start_time": "29:53", "text": "So when I left TV, it was in 2016." }, { "end_time": "29:57", "start_time": "29:55", "text": "I feel like I left I just left TV." }, { "end_time": "29:58", "start_time": "29:58", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "30:00", "start_time": "29:58", "text": "Time really passes by like that." }, { "end_time": "30:01", "start_time": "30:00", "text": "It's really fast." }, { "end_time": "30:02", "start_time": "30:01", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "30:04", "start_time": "30:02", "text": "So, you know, one thing I've realized and I've realized this really late." }, { "end_time": "30:13", "start_time": "30:04", "text": "In fact, like, probably only for the last one and a half, two years that as you grow up, you'll have these bouts of insecurity and, you know, self doubt every 3 to 6 months." }, { "end_time": "30:16", "start_time": "30:13", "text": "And as you grow up, you become more stable from the inside." }, { "end_time": "30:21", "start_time": "30:16", "text": "So the next time the insecurity creeps up, you just realize, oh, it's happening again in my life." }, { "end_time": "30:27", "start_time": "30:21", "text": "And then you eventually make peace with it because you realize, okay, it's that that time of the year where, you know, I'll start doubting myself." }, { "end_time": "30:31", "start_time": "30:27", "text": "It happens to every human being including Mukesh Ambani and Narendra Modi." }, { "end_time": "30:32", "start_time": "30:31", "text": "Everyone doubts themselves." }, { "end_time": "30:39", "start_time": "30:32", "text": "But it's just that the sooner you learn to, like, you know, look and say that, dude, you know, I'm chill is the sooner you'll be chill." }, { "end_time": "30:45", "start_time": "30:39", "text": "So the next time you're feeling like insecure and that self doubt is creeping in, remember that you're the biggest digital star in the country today." }, { "end_time": "30:45", "start_time": "30:45", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "30:48", "start_time": "30:45", "text": "And a lot of people know who you are." }, { "end_time": "30:50", "start_time": "30:48", "text": "A lot of people are betting on you." }, { "end_time": "30:52", "start_time": "30:50", "text": "So just remind yourself of that." }, { "end_time": "30:53", "start_time": "30:52", "text": "You're in a great zone in life." }, { "end_time": "30:55", "start_time": "30:53", "text": "Just and sometimes you just need outside perspective." }, { "end_time": "30:59", "start_time": "30:55", "text": "You need someone to hold up a mirror at you and say that, listen, this is where you are in life." }, { "end_time": "31:00", "start_time": "30:59", "text": "So chill out, man." }, { "end_time": "31:01", "start_time": "31:00", "text": "You're in a good zone." }, { "end_time": "31:09", "start_time": "31:02", "text": "Every time I feel, like, really low and, like, bad about myself, I need some, like, encouragement." }, { "end_time": "31:09", "start_time": "31:09", "text": "I just talk to you." }, { "end_time": "31:10", "start_time": "31:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:11", "start_time": "31:10", "text": "This is just to let the world know that." }, { "end_time": "31:11", "start_time": "31:11", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "31:13", "start_time": "31:11", "text": "I think we all have someone like that now." }, { "end_time": "31:13", "start_time": "31:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:13", "start_time": "31:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:15", "start_time": "31:13", "text": "Even I have someone like that in my life." }, { "end_time": "31:16", "start_time": "31:15", "text": "That's Marish Pandey." }, { "end_time": "31:17", "start_time": "31:16", "text": "He'll be on the podcast soon." }, { "end_time": "31:20", "start_time": "31:18", "text": "But anyway, I wanna end the podcast." }, { "end_time": "31:22", "start_time": "31:20", "text": "Thank you for being on monkey chat." }, { "end_time": "31:25", "start_time": "31:22", "text": "You're on to huge things in life, so just keep going, man." }, { "end_time": "31:28", "start_time": "31:25", "text": "Like, everyone's eyes are on it, Ashana." }, { "end_time": "31:32", "start_time": "31:28", "text": "One closing note to everyone, just, like, a biggest life lesson." }, { "end_time": "31:35", "start_time": "31:34", "text": "Just, like, really work hard." }, { "end_time": "31:36", "start_time": "31:35", "text": "Like, work hard." }, { "end_time": "31:41", "start_time": "31:36", "text": "Even if you get there, just keep working hard because you'll you will not even know that you're about to lose it." }, { "end_time": "31:41", "start_time": "31:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:44", "start_time": "31:41", "text": "So just and don't take things for granted." }, { "end_time": "31:49", "start_time": "31:44", "text": "If it's work, if it's a relationship, or even a friendship, and spend time with your parents." }, { "end_time": "31:51", "start_time": "31:49", "text": "Really spend time and just sit down and talk." }, { "end_time": "32:00", "start_time": "31:51", "text": "This is what I realized, like, recently that there are times that we don't just like, there are so many things that our parents want to tell us, and they just wanna have, like, a one on one conversation with us." }, { "end_time": "32:02", "start_time": "32:00", "text": "It's it's not like a specific topic." }, { "end_time": "32:04", "start_time": "32:02", "text": "They just want to talk to us." }, { "end_time": "32:09", "start_time": "32:04", "text": "So just do that because there will be a time when you won't be able to do it and you will regret it the most." }, { "end_time": "32:10", "start_time": "32:09", "text": "So just and it's time." }, { "end_time": "32:17", "start_time": "32:10", "text": "And I've I'm, like, I'm lucky that I've realized it when I'm 20, but people usually realize it when they're 40 30 years old." }, { "end_time": "32:17", "start_time": "32:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:19", "start_time": "32:17", "text": "So just Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:24", "start_time": "32:19", "text": "Being a friend of yours, I think you're seriously someone who has the mentality of a 25, 26 year old at the age of 20." }, { "end_time": "32:29", "start_time": "32:24", "text": "I also feel a reason for that is because your career started that early, and you've just been exposed to older people throughout your life." }, { "end_time": "32:29", "start_time": "32:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:31", "start_time": "32:29", "text": "So keep going, man." }, { "end_time": "32:32", "start_time": "32:31", "text": "A lot of people are betting on you." }, { "end_time": "32:34", "start_time": "32:32", "text": "Thank you again for being on monkey chat." }, { "end_time": "32:36", "start_time": "32:34", "text": "Thank you so much for having me here, Ranveer." }, { "end_time": "32:38", "start_time": "32:36", "text": "And we'll have you on the show again soon." }, { "end_time": "32:38", "start_time": "32:38", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "32:39", "start_time": "32:38", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "32:40", "start_time": "32:39", "text": "See you, Asas." }, { "end_time": "32:40", "start_time": "32:40", "text": "Thank you." } ] }

[ { "content": "**Task Description:** \nYou are provided with a YouTube video transcript in JSON format, where each entry is synchronized with its respective timestamp. This transcript contains the spoken text along with its start and end times. Your objective is to generate high-quality, chapter-wise segments that accurately represent key points or transitions within the video.\n\n**Transcript JSON Format:** \nThe transcript is formatted as a list of dictionaries, where each dictionary represents a spoken sentence, including its text and corresponding start and end times.\n\n**Example Transcript:** \n```json\n[\n {\n \"text\": \"The narrative in the public eye is that you left working with the Modi government because your opinions weren't heard.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:07\"\n },\n {\n \"text\": \"I want to know your side of the story.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:08\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:10\"\n },\n ...\n]\n```\n\n**Your Task:** \nUsing the given transcript, generate a JSON output that breaks down the video into meaningful chapters. Each chapter should encapsulate a key segment of the video and be accompanied by a concise, informative title that reflects the essence of that segment.\n\n**Chapter JSON Format:** \nThe output should follow this structure:\n```json\n{\n \"chapters\": [\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"title\": \"Introduction and Opening Remarks\"\n },\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:07\",\n \"title\": \"Discussing the Exit from Modi Government\"\n },\n ...\n ]\n}\n```\n\n**Requirements:** \n1. **Identify Key Segments:** Extract significant portions of the transcript that represent shifts in topic, important discussions, or transitions in conversation.\n2. **Craft Informative Titles:** Each chapter title should be clear, engaging, and directly related to the content covered in that segment.\n3. **Preserve Time Stamps:** Ensure that each chapter's `start_time` corresponds to the first instance of a key topic or segment in the transcript.\n4. **Conciseness is Key:** While titles should be descriptive, avoid making them overly lengthy. Aim for a balance between informativeness and brevity.", "role": "system" }, { "content": "{'transcripts': array([{'end_time': '0:04', 'start_time': '0:00', 'text': \"New episode of monkey chat featuring Ehsaas Channa, one of India's digital superstars.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:08', 'start_time': '0:04', 'text': 'Many of you all might know her from all the TVF and Girli upper videos she does.'},\n {'end_time': '0:11', 'start_time': '0:08', 'text': \"She's currently kind of considered the face of TVF.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:15', 'start_time': '0:12', 'text': \"But growing up, she was one of India's biggest child stars.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:21', 'start_time': '0:15', 'text': 'She featured in Kaviya Redhanakena, Vastu Shastra, and a bunch of other ads and films.'},\n {'end_time': '0:24', 'start_time': '0:21', 'text': \"So she's had her entire career in the media industry.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:28', 'start_time': '0:24', 'text': \"Today, she aspires to become Bollywood's absolute top actress.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:32', 'start_time': '0:28', 'text': \"She's one of the most ambitious street smart human beings I've ever come across in my life.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:40', 'start_time': '0:32', 'text': \"And in today's episode, I'm going to try breaking down her character, her ambition and everything that she wants to do in her life for you guys.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:47', 'start_time': '0:40', 'text': \"We're also going to talk about some relaxed topics like relationships And in true media world style, we've got a rapid fire round at the end.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:48', 'start_time': '0:47', 'text': 'Enjoy yourselves.'},\n {'end_time': '0:54', 'start_time': '0:49', 'text': \"Welcome to another episode of monkey chat with India's biggest digital star currently, Ehsaas Channa.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:01', 'start_time': '0:55', 'text': 'Many of you all might know her from her roles on TVF and her roles across the digital ecosystem in India.'},\n {'end_time': '1:04', 'start_time': '1:02', 'text': 'I personally know her from I love you, oh, Sayuri.'},\n {'end_time': '1:09', 'start_time': '1:05', 'text': 'And I also know her from Vastu Shastra and, of course, Kavyalvada Nakeena.'},\n {'end_time': '1:10', 'start_time': '1:09', 'text': 'And the Colgate ad.'},\n {'end_time': '1:11', 'start_time': '1:10', 'text': 'And the Colgate ad.'},\n {'end_time': '1:13', 'start_time': '1:11', 'text': 'That was my first conversation with Ehsaas.'},\n {'end_time': '1:15', 'start_time': '1:13', 'text': 'So Ehsaas has been a child actor.'},\n {'end_time': '1:18', 'start_time': '1:15', 'text': \"Now she's transitioned into being an adult actor.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:19', 'start_time': '1:18', 'text': 'I mean, not an adult actor.'},\n {'end_time': '1:22', 'start_time': '1:20', 'text': 'But Not yet, guys.'},\n {'end_time': '1:27', 'start_time': '1:23', 'text': 'But, basically, Ehsaas, thank you, Pharsi, for being on monkey chat.'},\n {'end_time': '1:28', 'start_time': '1:27', 'text': 'Much on me for that.'},\n {'end_time': '1:29', 'start_time': '1:28', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '1:35', 'start_time': '1:29', 'text': \"Other than your career and your professional side, I feel like you're one of the most ambitious human beings I've come across in my life.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:42', 'start_time': '1:35', 'text': \"And you don't hide the fact that you wanna reach the absolute top of the media industry in India.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:44', 'start_time': '1:43', 'text': 'So firstly, thanks for being here.'},\n {'end_time': '1:45', 'start_time': '1:44', 'text': 'Thank you for calling me.'},\n {'end_time': '1:47', 'start_time': '1:45', 'text': 'Thanks for having me here.'},\n {'end_time': '1:47', 'start_time': '1:47', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '1:50', 'start_time': '1:47', 'text': \"My first question to you is something I'm curious about because I'm a 90s kid.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:54', 'start_time': '1:50', 'text': 'I grew up watching you in Colgate ads and Himesh Resham your videos.'},\n {'end_time': '1:56', 'start_time': '1:54', 'text': 'So what was it like growing up as a child star, man?'},\n {'end_time': '2:04', 'start_time': '1:56', 'text': 'Like, in this country, because in America, the, stereotype of child stars is that they grow up and get into cocaine and they get into heroin and things like that.'},\n {'end_time': '2:06', 'start_time': '2:04', 'text': 'But what was it like growing up as a child star?'},\n {'end_time': '2:11', 'start_time': '2:06', 'text': \"You're one of the most sober, nice, ambitious, focused human beings now.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:11', 'start_time': '2:11', 'text': 'Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '2:13', 'start_time': '2:11', 'text': 'So Thanks, Ranveer.'},\n {'end_time': '2:17', 'start_time': '2:13', 'text': 'So as a kid, when you were an actor, what was happening there?'},\n {'end_time': '2:20', 'start_time': '2:18', 'text': \"So, I'll be honest.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:22', 'start_time': '2:20', 'text': \"I've never seen, like, a normal childhood.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:22', 'start_time': '2:22', 'text': \"That's for sure.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:24', 'start_time': '2:22', 'text': \"And I don't know how it is.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:26', 'start_time': '2:24', 'text': \"And I've always wondered how it is.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:28', 'start_time': '2:26', 'text': 'But all my friends were, like, again, not actors.'},\n {'end_time': '2:36', 'start_time': '2:29', 'text': \"So I sort of know what they go through and everything, but I always, and I'm not it's not like that I'm like, I regret it or something.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:37', 'start_time': '2:36', 'text': 'I just love my childhood.'},\n {'end_time': '2:43', 'start_time': '2:37', 'text': \"I mean, I don't think that, I can imagine my, like, childhood normal.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:44', 'start_time': '2:43', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '2:45', 'start_time': '2:44', 'text': 'Being anything else.'},\n {'end_time': '2:45', 'start_time': '2:45', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '2:49', 'start_time': '2:45', 'text': 'But you you felt like, you got that real childhood even though you were looking?'},\n {'end_time': '2:49', 'start_time': '2:49', 'text': 'So okay.'},\n {'end_time': '2:50', 'start_time': '2:49', 'text': 'So I was just coming to that.'},\n {'end_time': '2:57', 'start_time': '2:50', 'text': \"My mom always made sure that I'm doing everything that a normal 5 year old or a 6 year old or a 7 year old does.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:59', 'start_time': '2:57', 'text': 'So she always made sure.'},\n {'end_time': '3:15', 'start_time': '2:59', 'text': \"So she like, even if I was working, even if I was, like, into movies or was doing TV shows or whatever, so she always make sure made sure that I'm going going to school regularly, so I'm not missing out on any school or my education and some that is something she always wanted me to go school go to school.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:17', 'start_time': '3:16', 'text': 'And I went to all the classes.'},\n {'end_time': '3:21', 'start_time': '3:17', 'text': \"Like, I I used to go to class, so I'm not 9 year dancer also.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:28', 'start_time': '3:22', 'text': 'And, she made me, like, go to skating classes and karate classes and swimming classes.'},\n {'end_time': '3:30', 'start_time': '3:28', 'text': \"So she always made sure that I'm doing all of those things.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:35', 'start_time': '3:31', 'text': \"So that way I've always that was I've, like, lived the normal childhood.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:49', 'start_time': '3:35', 'text': 'But otherwise, like, even in school, like, that little extra attention that I used to get from friends and from teachers and, being pampered on set and seeing, you know, the limelight and everything was I am very lucky to be experiencing all of that.'},\n {'end_time': '3:50', 'start_time': '3:49', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '3:50', 'start_time': '3:50', 'text': 'So yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '3:52', 'start_time': '3:50', 'text': 'Do you remember working with Shah Rukh Khan?'},\n {'end_time': '3:52', 'start_time': '3:52', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '3:52', 'start_time': '3:52', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '3:58', 'start_time': '3:52', 'text': \"I remember very like properly remember every moment with him because I was I don't know.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:59', 'start_time': '3:58', 'text': '6 years old.'},\n {'end_time': '4:00', 'start_time': '3:59', 'text': 'I was, like, really good.'},\n {'end_time': '4:02', 'start_time': '4:00', 'text': 'So he was a very hum he is a very humble guy.'},\n {'end_time': '4:04', 'start_time': '4:02', 'text': 'So and it was very cold.'},\n {'end_time': '4:09', 'start_time': '4:04', 'text': 'So I remember he used to, you know, like, there were a lot of kids, but then there were, like, football scenes happening.'},\n {'end_time': '4:16', 'start_time': '4:09', 'text': \"And so there were so many kids and used to make, like, everybody run and, you know, warm up and so that we don't feel cold.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:20', 'start_time': '4:17', 'text': 'And there was the shot that I gave and he clapped for me.'},\n {'end_time': '4:20', 'start_time': '4:20', 'text': 'Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '4:20', 'start_time': '4:20', 'text': 'So yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '4:21', 'start_time': '4:20', 'text': 'So I remember these things.'},\n {'end_time': '4:24', 'start_time': '4:21', 'text': 'I used to make, like, cards for him and stuff like that.'},\n {'end_time': '4:25', 'start_time': '4:24', 'text': 'So I remember these things.'},\n {'end_time': '4:26', 'start_time': '4:25', 'text': 'Nice.'},\n {'end_time': '4:28', 'start_time': '4:26', 'text': 'What did you learn from him as a child actor?'},\n {'end_time': '4:29', 'start_time': '4:28', 'text': 'Did you pick up anything from Shah Rukh Khan?'},\n {'end_time': '4:30', 'start_time': '4:29', 'text': 'Like professionalism or something?'},\n {'end_time': '4:33', 'start_time': '4:30', 'text': 'I was very young to pick up something at that point.'},\n {'end_time': '4:36', 'start_time': '4:33', 'text': \"But I know that he's just very, very humble for the position that he is.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:40', 'start_time': '4:36', 'text': 'Even then he was really humble and nice and very hardworking and very focused.'},\n {'end_time': '4:46', 'start_time': '4:41', 'text': 'So this is something that, like, it just it was with me all this while.'},\n {'end_time': '4:49', 'start_time': '4:46', 'text': \"So, otherwise, I don't remember much because of them.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:49', 'start_time': '4:49', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '4:55', 'start_time': '4:49', 'text': 'Now What was it like being directed by the future biggest producer in Bollywood, Karan Johar, back then?'},\n {'end_time': '4:57', 'start_time': '4:56', 'text': 'Was he nice with you?'},\n {'end_time': '4:57', 'start_time': '4:57', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '4:57', 'start_time': '4:57', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '4:58', 'start_time': '4:57', 'text': 'He was very nice.'},\n {'end_time': '4:59', 'start_time': '4:58', 'text': 'So I okay.'},\n {'end_time': '5:01', 'start_time': '4:59', 'text': 'On that said, everybody were really nice to me.'},\n {'end_time': '5:03', 'start_time': '5:01', 'text': 'So I was this pampered child on set.'},\n {'end_time': '5:05', 'start_time': '5:03', 'text': 'So everybody used to, like, really pamper me.'},\n {'end_time': '5:05', 'start_time': '5:05', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '5:10', 'start_time': '5:05', 'text': 'And so they were, like, always so we were in New York for 2 months.'},\n {'end_time': '5:17', 'start_time': '5:10', 'text': 'So there was this, like, on the last day, there was a huge hamper of Barbie dolls and, teddy bears and stuff from Karan Johar.'},\n {'end_time': '5:19', 'start_time': '5:17', 'text': 'So that was really he was really nice.'},\n {'end_time': '5:20', 'start_time': '5:19', 'text': 'He was also very fun to work with.'},\n {'end_time': '5:21', 'start_time': '5:20', 'text': \"He's a very funny man, though.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:22', 'start_time': '5:21', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '5:22', 'start_time': '5:22', 'text': 'So is that.'},\n {'end_time': '5:25', 'start_time': '5:22', 'text': 'So you are the face of TVF now.'},\n {'end_time': '5:29', 'start_time': '5:25', 'text': \"You're literally one of, like, the hottest digital stars in the Indian game right now.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:31', 'start_time': '5:29', 'text': 'How far do you wanna take this career?'},\n {'end_time': '5:34', 'start_time': '5:31', 'text': \"Like, what's your ultimate goal with what you're doing right now?\"},\n {'end_time': '5:36', 'start_time': '5:34', 'text': 'So this was never planned.'},\n {'end_time': '5:38', 'start_time': '5:36', 'text': 'This is something that I never planned, and I never saw it coming.'},\n {'end_time': '5:44', 'start_time': '5:40', 'text': \"So I didn't know that it's going to be this huge, and it's gonna work so well for me.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:50', 'start_time': '5:45', 'text': \"I'm very satisfied, and I'm really happy where I am right now, on a digital level.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:52', 'start_time': '5:50', 'text': 'And I would definitely like to continue this.'},\n {'end_time': '5:57', 'start_time': '5:52', 'text': 'But again, like I as I told you that my, main goal is to get into Bollywood Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '5:59', 'start_time': '5:57', 'text': 'And become a Bollywood actress.'},\n {'end_time': '6:08', 'start_time': '6:00', 'text': \"But as far as whatever I'm doing right now, I would love to continue doing this because this is also very safe and it's a really fun and interesting space to be in.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:09', 'start_time': '6:08', 'text': \"And it's growing very fast.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:10', 'start_time': '6:09', 'text': \"And it's grow exactly.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:11', 'start_time': '6:10', 'text': \"It's growing really fast.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:18', 'start_time': '6:11', 'text': \"And for an actor, especially, it's a huge opportunity to, like, you know, do different kinds of roles.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:23', 'start_time': '6:18', 'text': 'So because I like, being in TV, I have done all kinds of roles that I wanted to do.'},\n {'end_time': '6:25', 'start_time': '6:23', 'text': \"It's given me, like, really different different characters.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:26', 'start_time': '6:25', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '6:30', 'start_time': '6:26', 'text': \"It's given me a lot of chances, and it's given me a lot of good work, good projects.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:38', 'start_time': '6:31', 'text': \"So I would definitely continue to do this even if it's for Netflix or Amazon or any other platform.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:39', 'start_time': '6:38', 'text': 'Not only TVF, I mean.'},\n {'end_time': '6:40', 'start_time': '6:39', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '6:40', 'start_time': '6:40', 'text': 'But I would yes.'},\n {'end_time': '6:46', 'start_time': '6:40', 'text': \"You know, there's like a lot of struggling actors and actresses out there who could, like, kill to be in your position right now.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:59', 'start_time': '6:46', 'text': \"So, like, with everything you've achieved at TVF and all the kind of digital offers that are coming your way, so my question to you is, firstly, now that there's so much growth on digital, how come you're, like, still looking at things like Bollywood?\"},\n {'end_time': '7:01', 'start_time': '6:59', 'text': 'Has that always been like a childhood dream of it?'},\n {'end_time': '7:09', 'start_time': '7:01', 'text': 'I think maybe that, because, like, as when I did Kabhi Al Vedan again, I always had this and I want to become a Bollywood Heroine.'},\n {'end_time': '7:10', 'start_time': '7:09', 'text': 'This was always there.'},\n {'end_time': '7:11', 'start_time': '7:10', 'text': \"So it's never left.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:12', 'start_time': '7:12', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '7:17', 'start_time': '7:12', 'text': \"Even if I did, like, a lot of TV or digital or anything, that's never left.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:17', 'start_time': '7:17', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '7:22', 'start_time': '7:17', 'text': \"And, again, I would like to roll because I've been always, you know, wanting it and dreaming about it.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:24', 'start_time': '7:22', 'text': 'So I would obviously want to try it out.'},\n {'end_time': '7:26', 'start_time': '7:24', 'text': 'I would not want to, like, give up on it.'},\n {'end_time': '7:28', 'start_time': '7:26', 'text': \"Is that something you're working towards right now?\"},\n {'end_time': '7:28', 'start_time': '7:28', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '7:30', 'start_time': '7:28', 'text': \"That is something I'm totally working towards.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:40', 'start_time': '7:31', 'text': \"Even though I'm, like, super busy with digital things that I'm doing also in if it's if it's Instagram or anything, but that is something I'm constantly working towards.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:42', 'start_time': '7:40', 'text': \"You know, that's what sets you apart.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:49', 'start_time': '7:42', 'text': 'Also, I see a lot of actors and actresses who are your age, who do a little bit of work, and then they spend a lot of time partying because they think the network can be built at parties.'},\n {'end_time': '7:50', 'start_time': '7:49', 'text': \"And you're someone who barely parties.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:52', 'start_time': '7:50', 'text': \"You're always, like, hustling.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:53', 'start_time': '7:52', 'text': \"You're running around for auditions.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:54', 'start_time': '7:53', 'text': \"You're going for your shoots.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:55', 'start_time': '7:54', 'text': 'You reach your shoots on time.'},\n {'end_time': '7:57', 'start_time': '7:55', 'text': \"You're doing digital commitments like this.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:58', 'start_time': '7:57', 'text': \"You know, you're giving podcasts.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:00', 'start_time': '7:58', 'text': \"So you're really hustling towards it.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:05', 'start_time': '8:00', 'text': \"And that's why if I had to put my money on someone who definitely make it big in the media world, it would be you, Ani.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:06', 'start_time': '8:05', 'text': \"That's so sweet.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:09', 'start_time': '8:06', 'text': \"So, I really don't like to party.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:15', 'start_time': '8:09', 'text': \"I think I also also give it to my mother because she's always been like a very, fairly strict mother.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:17', 'start_time': '8:15', 'text': 'So, Like, you still have curfews now?'},\n {'end_time': '8:17', 'start_time': '8:17', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '8:18', 'start_time': '8:17', 'text': 'I still have curfews.'},\n {'end_time': '8:20', 'start_time': '8:18', 'text': \"Like, I'm 20 years old and I still she wants me back.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:24', 'start_time': '8:20', 'text': \"If I'm not shooting, if I'm out with friends, she wants me back like, by 10:30.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:28', 'start_time': '8:24', 'text': \"And, so she's all it's whatever.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:31', 'start_time': '8:28', 'text': \"Like, even if I'm not going into drugs or whatever, like you said, it's all because of her.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:33', 'start_time': '8:31', 'text': 'You see a lot of drugs around you?'},\n {'end_time': '8:33', 'start_time': '8:33', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '8:33', 'start_time': '8:33', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '8:34', 'start_time': '8:33', 'text': \"I'll be yeah.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:35', 'start_time': '8:34', 'text': \"Like, I'm not just talking about weed.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:38', 'start_time': '8:35', 'text': \"I'm talking about, like, you've seen people doing coke and things like that.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:38', 'start_time': '8:38', 'text': 'Not that.'},\n {'end_time': '8:40', 'start_time': '8:39', 'text': 'Only weed people have seen it.'},\n {'end_time': '8:42', 'start_time': '8:40', 'text': \"But weed and hash, it's, like, spread all over the world.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:43', 'start_time': '8:42', 'text': 'Everywhere, dude.'},\n {'end_time': '8:43', 'start_time': '8:43', 'text': 'Everywhere.'},\n {'end_time': '8:45', 'start_time': '8:43', 'text': \"And I'm sure you've been offered, like, weed and hash.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:46', 'start_time': '8:45', 'text': 'Like Not offered.'},\n {'end_time': '8:49', 'start_time': '8:46', 'text': 'As like people are doing and I would have done it.'},\n {'end_time': '8:51', 'start_time': '8:49', 'text': \"Like, I it's just that I never even tried.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:53', 'start_time': '8:51', 'text': \"Like, I don't even want to experience how it is because I know how it is.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:57', 'start_time': '8:53', 'text': \"Like, I can I've seen people be, like, all happy and everything.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:57', 'start_time': '8:57', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '8:59', 'start_time': '8:57', 'text': 'But my high is in food and work and stuff.'},\n {'end_time': '9:02', 'start_time': '8:59', 'text': 'And being the face of TVF and the Indian digital ecosystem.'},\n {'end_time': '9:04', 'start_time': '9:02', 'text': 'People recognizing me on growth.'},\n {'end_time': '9:05', 'start_time': '9:04', 'text': \"That's my high.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:09', 'start_time': '9:05', 'text': 'You once told me that, like, one of your ultimate ambitions in life is to not be able to get out of your house.'},\n {'end_time': '9:10', 'start_time': '9:09', 'text': \"That's how famous you wanna be.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:12', 'start_time': '9:10', 'text': \"And I think you're working towards that for sure, and it's going to happen.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:18', 'start_time': '9:13', 'text': \"But right now, because you're like the face of TVF and, you know, everybody knows you, how does it feel getting so much attention?\"},\n {'end_time': '9:23', 'start_time': '9:18', 'text': \"Like, there's already, like, I think people who crowd around you saying, oh, shit.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:24', 'start_time': '9:23', 'text': 'SR has entered the room.'},\n {'end_time': '9:25', 'start_time': '9:24', 'text': 'Things like that.'},\n {'end_time': '9:26', 'start_time': '9:25', 'text': \"It's really nice.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:27', 'start_time': '9:26', 'text': 'I I I love it.'},\n {'end_time': '9:32', 'start_time': '9:27', 'text': 'Like, yesterday, I was traveling by auto and I was I just passed, like, a random girl and she screamed my name.'},\n {'end_time': '9:36', 'start_time': '9:32', 'text': 'So it really gave me like, I really felt amazing about it.'},\n {'end_time': '9:36', 'start_time': '9:36', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '9:38', 'start_time': '9:36', 'text': \"So now it's come to a point where people actually know my name.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:40', 'start_time': '9:38', 'text': 'Earlier, it was like, oh, TV.'},\n {'end_time': '9:41', 'start_time': '9:40', 'text': \"Oh, you've done that film.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:42', 'start_time': '9:41', 'text': 'Oh, can we have a picture?'},\n {'end_time': '9:43', 'start_time': '9:42', 'text': \"But now they've called you.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:43', 'start_time': '9:43', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '9:45', 'start_time': '9:44', 'text': \"So that's really great.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:47', 'start_time': '9:45', 'text': \"So now it's like, I feel like I'm building towards it.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:48', 'start_time': '9:47', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '9:49', 'start_time': '9:49', 'text': 'I love it.'},\n {'end_time': '9:50', 'start_time': '9:50', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '9:53', 'start_time': '9:50', 'text': 'So, yeah, I will never get, like, bored of it or annoyed by it or anything.'},\n {'end_time': '9:53', 'start_time': '9:53', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '9:53', 'start_time': '9:53', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '10:02', 'start_time': '9:53', 'text': \"Plus you're entering the 2020s where, I kind of feel that, both digital and Bollywood are kind of slowly gonna be at the same level.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:05', 'start_time': '10:02', 'text': \"Maybe it's not the same level right now, but say in like 2025, 2027.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:06', 'start_time': '10:05', 'text': 'Exactly.'},\n {'end_time': '10:07', 'start_time': '10:06', 'text': 'I can see it coming.'},\n {'end_time': '10:07', 'start_time': '10:07', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '10:07', 'start_time': '10:07', 'text': 'Same.'},\n {'end_time': '10:14', 'start_time': '10:07', 'text': 'And, I think you are gonna reach that what I call, you know, just crazy level of fame eventually.'},\n {'end_time': '10:16', 'start_time': '10:14', 'text': 'My question to you right now is about, like, dating.'},\n {'end_time': '10:19', 'start_time': '10:16', 'text': \"Let's make this like coffee with Karan style.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:24', 'start_time': '10:19', 'text': 'So is there is there any person in your life right now?'},\n {'end_time': '10:24', 'start_time': '10:24', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '10:25', 'start_time': '10:24', 'text': \"You're single?\"},\n {'end_time': '10:25', 'start_time': '10:25', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '10:25', 'start_time': '10:25', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '10:28', 'start_time': '10:25', 'text': \"But I'm sure you get, like, a lot of guy attention, generally.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:28', 'start_time': '10:28', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '10:30', 'start_time': '10:28', 'text': 'I get a lot of I love it.'},\n {'end_time': '10:30', 'start_time': '10:30', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '10:31', 'start_time': '10:30', 'text': 'Oh, nice.'},\n {'end_time': '10:33', 'start_time': '10:31', 'text': \"So but you're not looking for anything right now?\"},\n {'end_time': '10:38', 'start_time': '10:36', 'text': 'I mean, nobody stops looking for it.'},\n {'end_time': '10:40', 'start_time': '10:38', 'text': \"Like, I feel like it's it's just yeah.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:44', 'start_time': '10:40', 'text': \"I'm not, like, deliberately, like, making any efforts to, like, find a guy or anything.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:48', 'start_time': '10:46', 'text': \"If somebody comes along, I'm, like, great.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:48', 'start_time': '10:48', 'text': 'Happy.'},\n {'end_time': '10:51', 'start_time': '10:48', 'text': 'If somebody really, like, clicks or whatever.'},\n {'end_time': '10:55', 'start_time': '10:52', 'text': 'But, SSI, I wanna come back to this concept of dating.'},\n {'end_time': '10:59', 'start_time': '10:55', 'text': \"I know for a fact that there's a lot of guys all around you who want to date you.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:06', 'start_time': '10:59', 'text': 'So I wanna ask you, breaking away from the SSI standard, what does a 20 year old SSI standard look for in a guy?'},\n {'end_time': '11:08', 'start_time': '11:06', 'text': \"That's a very good question.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:15', 'start_time': '11:08', 'text': \"I think for me, the guy has to be really, really it's not like a pressure or anything, but he has to be, like, really well read.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:15', 'start_time': '11:15', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '11:16', 'start_time': '11:15', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '11:23', 'start_time': '11:16', 'text': 'For me, I feel like he has to be not well read, but he just has to, like, like, be really smart and not be dumb.'},\n {'end_time': '11:24', 'start_time': '11:23', 'text': \"Like, I can't do dumb people.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:33', 'start_time': '11:24', 'text': \"I mean, I can't say I meant I meant that I can't, like You can't be with heart.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:35', 'start_time': '11:34', 'text': 'Fair enough.'},\n {'end_time': '11:36', 'start_time': '11:35', 'text': 'You know why?'},\n {'end_time': '11:39', 'start_time': '11:36', 'text': \"Because I also feel like you're a really intelligent person yourself.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:42', 'start_time': '11:39', 'text': \"The thing is, like, well when I say well read, I'm not, like, very well read.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:46', 'start_time': '11:42', 'text': \"Like, I don't know anything about politics and stuff like that.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:50', 'start_time': '11:46', 'text': \"So when I'm having a and I think for me, I really spend a lot of time with my Boyfriend.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:51', 'start_time': '11:51', 'text': 'Boyfriend.'},\n {'end_time': '11:54', 'start_time': '11:52', 'text': 'So and I have, like, longest conversation with that person.'},\n {'end_time': '11:59', 'start_time': '11:54', 'text': 'So he has to, like, be really, like, well read and, you know, he has to have a lot of knowledge.'},\n {'end_time': '12:01', 'start_time': '11:59', 'text': 'So that knowledge will come together.'},\n {'end_time': '12:03', 'start_time': '12:01', 'text': 'This is how I use people.'},\n {'end_time': '12:04', 'start_time': '12:03', 'text': 'Oh, oh, fair enough.'},\n {'end_time': '12:04', 'start_time': '12:04', 'text': 'Fair enough.'},\n {'end_time': '12:07', 'start_time': '12:04', 'text': \"So you're using your boyfriend to basically better yourself.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:07', 'start_time': '12:07', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '12:08', 'start_time': '12:07', 'text': \"That's okay, ma'am.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:09', 'start_time': '12:08', 'text': \"That's alright.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:09', 'start_time': '12:09', 'text': \"You're done.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:12', 'start_time': '12:10', 'text': 'All the basics has to be caring, nice, sweet.'},\n {'end_time': '12:13', 'start_time': '12:13', 'text': 'Hot?'},\n {'end_time': '12:14', 'start_time': '12:13', 'text': 'Hot.'},\n {'end_time': '12:15', 'start_time': '12:14', 'text': 'Oh, okay.'},\n {'end_time': '12:17', 'start_time': '12:15', 'text': 'Do girls really look for, like, looks?'},\n {'end_time': '12:19', 'start_time': '12:17', 'text': \"Do you think that's actually a thing?\"},\n {'end_time': '12:19', 'start_time': '12:19', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '12:20', 'start_time': '12:19', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '12:20', 'start_time': '12:20', 'text': 'I know.'},\n {'end_time': '12:21', 'start_time': '12:20', 'text': 'I mean, even guys do.'},\n {'end_time': '12:23', 'start_time': '12:22', 'text': 'Not only girls do.'},\n {'end_time': '12:23', 'start_time': '12:23', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '12:24', 'start_time': '12:23', 'text': \"But there's this whole concept.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:25', 'start_time': '12:24', 'text': 'See, guys are shallow human beings.'},\n {'end_time': '12:25', 'start_time': '12:25', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '12:32', 'start_time': '12:25', 'text': \"So guys are very visual and I feel like girls are visual, but it's lesser than the extent that guys are.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:33', 'start_time': '12:32', 'text': \"That's just my observation.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:35', 'start_time': '12:33', 'text': 'I really look for Luke.'},\n {'end_time': '12:39', 'start_time': '12:35', 'text': \"I don't know about other girls, but I thought for Maya has to be really good looking.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:39', 'start_time': '12:39', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '12:41', 'start_time': '12:39', 'text': \"Plus, I think you're in the media industry.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:43', 'start_time': '12:41', 'text': 'So you have to have some arm candy with you also.'},\n {'end_time': '12:43', 'start_time': '12:43', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '12:43', 'start_time': '12:43', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '12:44', 'start_time': '12:43', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '12:45', 'start_time': '12:44', 'text': \"That's not maybe.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:47', 'start_time': '12:45', 'text': \"But I'm not talking about it.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:47', 'start_time': '12:47', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '12:47', 'start_time': '12:47', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '12:47', 'start_time': '12:47', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '12:48', 'start_time': '12:47', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '12:54', 'start_time': '12:48', 'text': 'If I tell you that you can only choose one thing for the rest of your life, that fame or a stable family life and relationship, what would you do?'},\n {'end_time': '12:55', 'start_time': '12:54', 'text': 'The fame.'},\n {'end_time': '12:55', 'start_time': '12:55', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '12:57', 'start_time': '12:55', 'text': \"I've never believed, like, in getting married or whatever.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:02', 'start_time': '12:57', 'text': \"I mean, I'm too young to be saying that, but all this while it's never I never thought of getting married.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:02', 'start_time': '13:02', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '13:03', 'start_time': '13:02', 'text': \"You're hungry for, like, fame.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:09', 'start_time': '13:03', 'text': \"I'm hungry for, like, if I don't get what I want, like, my fame or whatever that I had planned by 26, I will not get married.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:11', 'start_time': '13:09', 'text': 'Or by 30, I will not actually.'},\n {'end_time': '13:13', 'start_time': '13:11', 'text': 'Yourself a failure if that happens?'},\n {'end_time': '13:13', 'start_time': '13:13', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '13:14', 'start_time': '13:13', 'text': 'Not a failure.'},\n {'end_time': '13:17', 'start_time': '13:15', 'text': \"I mean, I will keep trying and I don't think that I will actually fail.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:18', 'start_time': '13:17', 'text': 'I will do something.'},\n {'end_time': '13:21', 'start_time': '13:18', 'text': \"I'll figure out and I'll manage something.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:21', 'start_time': '13:21', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '13:24', 'start_time': '13:21', 'text': \"But I'm saying that, like, for me, work is always a priority.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:25', 'start_time': '13:24', 'text': 'I have to, like Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '13:31', 'start_time': '13:25', 'text': \"You know, for any successful person, I feel there's 2 main traits above anything else, which is like consistent hustle, which is what you're doing.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:34', 'start_time': '13:31', 'text': 'Because I know you as a friend, I know how hard you work at your craft.'},\n {'end_time': '13:36', 'start_time': '13:34', 'text': 'You keep getting better at acting.'},\n {'end_time': '13:37', 'start_time': '13:36', 'text': 'Keep going for auditions.'},\n {'end_time': '13:39', 'start_time': '13:37', 'text': 'And the second aspect is this positivity that you have.'},\n {'end_time': '13:40', 'start_time': '13:39', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '13:44', 'start_time': '13:41', 'text': 'My next question to you is because we referenced coffee with Karan.'},\n {'end_time': '13:46', 'start_time': '13:44', 'text': 'I wanna ask you about Karan Johor right now.'},\n {'end_time': '13:51', 'start_time': '13:46', 'text': \"So with Dharma Productions, you know, like launching, like, so many people and this whole nepotism debate that's happening.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:53', 'start_time': '13:51', 'text': 'Have you tried reaching out again to him?'},\n {'end_time': '13:54', 'start_time': '13:53', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '13:54', 'start_time': '13:54', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '13:54', 'start_time': '13:54', 'text': 'I have.'},\n {'end_time': '13:56', 'start_time': '13:54', 'text': \"You've tried reaching out to Karanj over.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:57', 'start_time': '13:56', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '13:58', 'start_time': '13:57', 'text': \"And and it's not worked well.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:59', 'start_time': '13:58', 'text': 'Like, what do you mean?'},\n {'end_time': '14:04', 'start_time': '13:59', 'text': \"I don't I don't I'm not gonna blame him, but he's at such a big platform right now.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:10', 'start_time': '14:04', 'text': \"He's such a big man that, I mean, I'm sure it's not very easy or it's not possible for him to meet, like, everybody.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:13', 'start_time': '14:12', 'text': \"And I'm not it's not him.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:16', 'start_time': '14:13', 'text': \"It's the people who work for him, like, under him.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:18', 'start_time': '14:16', 'text': 'So they will not let you, like, reach him.'},\n {'end_time': '14:23', 'start_time': '14:18', 'text': \"Like, it's not that if I meet him at a party tomorrow and if I go meet him, I'm sure he's such a nice man.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:29', 'start_time': '14:23', 'text': \"He's such a great man that he will always, like, be really nice to me if I remind him, like, you remember I was Arjun from.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:33', 'start_time': '14:30', 'text': \"He's gonna but it's just reaching, like, just reaching him is a little difficult.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:36', 'start_time': '14:34', 'text': \"If you do if you reach him, then it's great.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:39', 'start_time': '14:36', 'text': \"I mean, he's definitely gonna entertain me and be really nice to me because I believe that.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:41', 'start_time': '14:39', 'text': \"I've seen him on TV.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:42', 'start_time': '14:41', 'text': \"I've seen his reality shows.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:46', 'start_time': '14:42', 'text': \"I've seen him judge people, on reality shows, and I know he's a good person.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:48', 'start_time': '14:46', 'text': 'So, you know, like a vibe.'},\n {'end_time': '14:50', 'start_time': '14:48', 'text': 'I get that really good vibe from him.'},\n {'end_time': '14:58', 'start_time': '14:50', 'text': \"But just reaching him is a little difficult because he's at such a big, platform, and he's, like, such a big man right now.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:00', 'start_time': '14:58', 'text': 'I and I completely get that.'},\n {'end_time': '15:02', 'start_time': '15:00', 'text': \"It's not that I'm, again, blaming anybody for that.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:04', 'start_time': '15:02', 'text': \"I mean, it's really difficult to reach such a big man.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:12', 'start_time': '15:06', 'text': \"But, yeah, I really, really respect and appreciate him for the work that he's doing and for what he's become right now.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:13', 'start_time': '15:12', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '15:22', 'start_time': '15:13', 'text': \"If I told you, you know, if you had a chance to model your career, based on, like, someone who's, like, currently in Bollywood, who would you model it on?\"},\n {'end_time': '15:27', 'start_time': '15:23', 'text': 'I really wanna do the kind of work Alia Bhatt does, like the roles that she does and everything.'},\n {'end_time': '15:32', 'start_time': '15:28', 'text': \"But I also really look up to Radhika Apte because she's not from a Bollywood background.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:36', 'start_time': '15:32', 'text': \"She's, like, a non celebrity kid.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:36', 'start_time': '15:36', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '15:42', 'start_time': '15:36', 'text': \"And she still come up so well, and she's done some amazing projects, and she's really worked hard.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:45', 'start_time': '15:42', 'text': \"So, like, in terms of your work strategy, you'd go for Alibat.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:48', 'start_time': '15:45', 'text': 'But, Radhika is someone who inspires you a lot.'},\n {'end_time': '15:49', 'start_time': '15:48', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '15:50', 'start_time': '15:49', 'text': \"That's a good way of putting it.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:52', 'start_time': '15:50', 'text': 'And I wanna come back to TVF now.'},\n {'end_time': '15:56', 'start_time': '15:52', 'text': 'So TVF is literally the single biggest, like, media company in India today.'},\n {'end_time': '16:00', 'start_time': '15:57', 'text': \"Digital media company, I think they're probably the single biggest one.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:03', 'start_time': '16:00', 'text': \"My question to you is working at TVF, dude, what's it like?\"},\n {'end_time': '16:04', 'start_time': '16:03', 'text': \"Because you didn't join TVF from the beginning.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:05', 'start_time': '16:04', 'text': \"You've joined TVF now.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:07', 'start_time': '16:05', 'text': \"You've now you've become like a crucial part of it.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:10', 'start_time': '16:07', 'text': \"Now you're like the face of it, the front end of it.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:13', 'start_time': '16:10', 'text': 'So what is the work culture like at TVF like?'},\n {'end_time': '16:16', 'start_time': '16:13', 'text': 'So, like people at TVF are really generous.'},\n {'end_time': '16:23', 'start_time': '16:16', 'text': \"I mean, TVF has been really, really generous to me because they've given me so much work and they've called me, like, back to back for sketches.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:30', 'start_time': '16:23', 'text': \"And that's how I've become a face and that's and they've given me, like, really big shows like Kota and Girls' Hostel and Humptyom and all.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:37', 'start_time': '16:32', 'text': 'So the work culture there is, like, very like, if you go to that office, you will not feel like an office.'},\n {'end_time': '16:39', 'start_time': '16:37', 'text': \"You will just, like it's like a family.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:44', 'start_time': '16:39', 'text': 'Everybody is, like, having so much fun.'},\n {'end_time': '16:46', 'start_time': '16:44', 'text': \"They're all like there's Sachin.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:52', 'start_time': '16:46', 'text': \"There's Badri who are, like, playing cricket in the common area, and then there's something going on there and something people are screaming.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:56', 'start_time': '16:52', 'text': \"It's it's such it feels now TVF has actually become my second family.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:57', 'start_time': '16:56', 'text': 'I go there so much.'},\n {'end_time': '17:01', 'start_time': '16:57', 'text': \"And even though I'm not an employee, but I just, like, feel like I'm in perfect zone.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:02', 'start_time': '17:01', 'text': 'Always there.'},\n {'end_time': '17:05', 'start_time': '17:02', 'text': \"And that's for some reading or for some look test or something.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:07', 'start_time': '17:06', 'text': \"They're really nice to work with.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:13', 'start_time': '17:07', 'text': \"And the best part about it, them is, like, they've been they're very open to feedback.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:22', 'start_time': '17:14', 'text': \"So I think this is the reason that the the content is so great that they're always open to feedback and they actually, you know, apply apply imply whatever.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:22', 'start_time': '17:22', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '17:24', 'start_time': '17:22', 'text': 'They apply everything that comes.'},\n {'end_time': '17:25', 'start_time': '17:24', 'text': 'Feedback on everything.'},\n {'end_time': '17:27', 'start_time': '17:25', 'text': \"So even me, like, I'm not an actor.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:29', 'start_time': '17:28', 'text': \"I'm not a writer.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:29', 'start_time': '17:29', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '17:34', 'start_time': '17:29', 'text': 'So, but if I have some feedback, they will always like, you know, consider it and think about it and discuss it.'},\n {'end_time': '17:41', 'start_time': '17:35', 'text': \"So I think that is the they're really, really, open towards everything.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:42', 'start_time': '17:41', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '17:44', 'start_time': '17:42', 'text': \"And do you think it's like a very fast office to work at?\"},\n {'end_time': '17:44', 'start_time': '17:44', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '17:45', 'start_time': '17:44', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '17:45', 'start_time': '17:45', 'text': 'Very fast.'},\n {'end_time': '17:47', 'start_time': '17:45', 'text': \"Like, the everything and there's so many things happening.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:48', 'start_time': '17:47', 'text': \"There's something going on.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:50', 'start_time': '17:48', 'text': \"There's some discussion going on there.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:55', 'start_time': '17:50', 'text': \"I heard hear about something that they're working on something and the next month I see it's actually happening.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:56', 'start_time': '17:55', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '17:56', 'start_time': '17:56', 'text': 'On it.'},\n {'end_time': '17:57', 'start_time': '17:56', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '17:58', 'start_time': '17:57', 'text': \"So they're very, very fast also.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:59', 'start_time': '17:58', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '18:00', 'start_time': '17:59', 'text': \"You've also met Arunabh Kumar.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:00', 'start_time': '18:00', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '18:01', 'start_time': '18:00', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '18:01', 'start_time': '18:01', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '18:07', 'start_time': '18:01', 'text': \"And, like, in the entrepreneurial circles, he's someone who's really looked up to irrespective of whatever controversy happened around him.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:09', 'start_time': '18:07', 'text': \"What's it like being in the same room as him?\"},\n {'end_time': '18:12', 'start_time': '18:09', 'text': \"Because he's literally, like, I think one of the biggest modern media entrepreneurs.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:13', 'start_time': '18:12', 'text': \"I'll tell you what.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:21', 'start_time': '18:13', 'text': 'So he, the best part about him, and I think this is what I really love about him, is that he talks to everyone.'},\n {'end_time': '18:21', 'start_time': '18:21', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '18:31', 'start_time': '18:21', 'text': \"Like, any even, if there's, like, a new employee in the in the company, he will text that person and, you know, ask, like, are you okay?\"},\n {'end_time': '18:33', 'start_time': '18:31', 'text': 'What is bothering you?'},\n {'end_time': '18:34', 'start_time': '18:33', 'text': 'Is there something going on?'},\n {'end_time': '18:39', 'start_time': '18:34', 'text': 'And so he came to my birthday party the other day, and I had I know he was really nice of him to come.'},\n {'end_time': '18:43', 'start_time': '18:39', 'text': 'So he came and I and there were, like, a lot of TVF people as well.'},\n {'end_time': '18:54', 'start_time': '18:43', 'text': 'So they were all, like, they were also having fun, but I saw him going to, like, everyone and having, like, a 15 minute conversation with everybody, which I really like about that man because he talks to you.'},\n {'end_time': '18:56', 'start_time': '18:54', 'text': 'He wants to know, like, a lot of things.'},\n {'end_time': '18:59', 'start_time': '18:56', 'text': \"I think that is why he's being able he's been able to, like, build such a big company.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:04', 'start_time': '19:00', 'text': \"And so even with me, like, I hadn't met him, like, before before.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:05', 'start_time': '19:04', 'text': 'Like, not before the party.'},\n {'end_time': '19:08', 'start_time': '19:05', 'text': 'Like, I met him, like, a couple of times before the party.'},\n {'end_time': '19:14', 'start_time': '19:08', 'text': 'But the the first time we actually spoke was on Instagram, and we had, like, a whole conversation.'},\n {'end_time': '19:16', 'start_time': '19:15', 'text': 'He really appreciates.'},\n {'end_time': '19:18', 'start_time': '19:16', 'text': 'So he also really appreciates and encourages you.'},\n {'end_time': '19:19', 'start_time': '19:18', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '19:21', 'start_time': '19:19', 'text': 'And he gives you a really honest feedback.'},\n {'end_time': '19:25', 'start_time': '19:21', 'text': \"And if if it's on a sketch or a character that I played.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:33', 'start_time': '19:25', 'text': \"So he that way he's really like, he goes and speaks to you and he, you know, gives his feedback and he asks for your feedback.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:34', 'start_time': '19:33', 'text': 'And I think Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '19:39', 'start_time': '19:34', 'text': \"That's probably, his founder mentality that's gone into, like, all the layers of TVF.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:43', 'start_time': '19:39', 'text': \"That's why he probably even TVF is open to all the feedback from people for their content.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:48', 'start_time': '19:44', 'text': \"But again, let's come back to, like, the most serious aspect of your life, which is your career.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:50', 'start_time': '19:49', 'text': \"You know, you've made it big again on digital.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:52', 'start_time': '19:50', 'text': \"I'm dead sure there's a lot of jealousy around you.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:53', 'start_time': '19:52', 'text': 'There is negative emotion.'},\n {'end_time': '19:56', 'start_time': '19:55', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '19:57', 'start_time': '19:56', 'text': \"That's that's how I deal with it.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:58', 'start_time': '19:57', 'text': \"And you're continuing your Yeah.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:59', 'start_time': '19:58', 'text': 'Process.'},\n {'end_time': '19:59', 'start_time': '19:59', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '19:59', 'start_time': '19:59', 'text': 'Nice.'},\n {'end_time': '20:01', 'start_time': '19:59', 'text': 'And I feel happy that people are jealous of me.'},\n {'end_time': '20:03', 'start_time': '20:01', 'text': 'Have you have you seen bitchiness around you?'},\n {'end_time': '20:03', 'start_time': '20:03', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '20:04', 'start_time': '20:03', 'text': 'A lot.'},\n {'end_time': '20:04', 'start_time': '20:04', 'text': 'Like what?'},\n {'end_time': '20:07', 'start_time': '20:05', 'text': 'Like, people just unfollowing me for no reason.'},\n {'end_time': '20:12', 'start_time': '20:07', 'text': \"Like, we're talking and we're friends and people just unfollow me and they think that I don't know what I do.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:12', 'start_time': '20:12', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '20:15', 'start_time': '20:12', 'text': 'And, like, people there are girls that, you know, talk Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '20:16', 'start_time': '20:15', 'text': 'Shit.'},\n {'end_time': '20:16', 'start_time': '20:16', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '20:16', 'start_time': '20:16', 'text': 'Fair enough.'},\n {'end_time': '20:17', 'start_time': '20:16', 'text': 'Have you ever seen WWE?'},\n {'end_time': '20:23', 'start_time': '20:18', 'text': \"So it's it's been there like champions and currently I feel you're holding that belt of young digital star.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:23', 'start_time': '20:23', 'text': 'Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '20:25', 'start_time': '20:23', 'text': \"That's where all the jealousy is all coming from.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:38', 'start_time': '20:26', 'text': 'How important a role do you think all this, you know, like, networking and charming human other human beings and communication skills play in a career like Bollywood or media?'},\n {'end_time': '20:39', 'start_time': '20:38', 'text': 'It really, really Affects it.'},\n {'end_time': '20:40', 'start_time': '20:40', 'text': 'Affects it.'},\n {'end_time': '20:43', 'start_time': '20:40', 'text': \"I think it's very important to be, Charming.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:44', 'start_time': '20:43', 'text': 'Charm charming.'},\n {'end_time': '20:47', 'start_time': '20:44', 'text': 'And, I feel that you just need to, like, talk.'},\n {'end_time': '20:51', 'start_time': '20:47', 'text': \"If you if like, I used to be a person who wouldn't talk, who was just quiet and just listen.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:53', 'start_time': '20:51', 'text': \"Like you said, I'm a good listener.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:58', 'start_time': '20:53', 'text': \"So I am a good listener, but then I realized that it's it won't work if you're just a good listener.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:59', 'start_time': '20:58', 'text': 'You have to talk.'},\n {'end_time': '21:02', 'start_time': '20:59', 'text': 'You have to put your opinion, and you have to put your what you think.'},\n {'end_time': '21:08', 'start_time': '21:02', 'text': \"And if you don't talk, people will think, yeah, she's like just she doesn't talk.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:11', 'start_time': '21:08', 'text': 'So you really have to be very active and You need to have personality.'},\n {'end_time': '21:13', 'start_time': '21:11', 'text': 'You you really need to have a personality.'},\n {'end_time': '21:14', 'start_time': '21:13', 'text': \"That's very important.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:23', 'start_time': '21:14', 'text': \"So since this whole TVF change has come into your life, you know, where girl started happening and TVF happened, what are, like, three things that you've learned that you're gonna apply for the rest of your life?\"},\n {'end_time': '21:25', 'start_time': '21:24', 'text': 'Just be honest.'},\n {'end_time': '21:26', 'start_time': '21:25', 'text': 'Like, just be yourself.'},\n {'end_time': '21:34', 'start_time': '21:26', 'text': \"Like, this is what I've really like, there are, like, a lot of people in TVF that haven't, like, directly told me these things, but I just, like, fell and I saw them.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:35', 'start_time': '21:34', 'text': \"They're they're very open.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:37', 'start_time': '21:35', 'text': \"They're just like themselves.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:37', 'start_time': '21:37', 'text': \"They're not fake.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:41', 'start_time': '21:37', 'text': \"So being fake is something that, you know People don't like.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:42', 'start_time': '21:41', 'text': \"People don't like.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:43', 'start_time': '21:42', 'text': \"Like, I wouldn't like.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:47', 'start_time': '21:43', 'text': \"And especially in the industry, if you're fake, like, people really, like, they catch it like that.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:50', 'start_time': '21:47', 'text': 'The fakeness is really, like, people catch it this way.'},\n {'end_time': '21:55', 'start_time': '21:50', 'text': 'So you just need to be really, really natural and you have to be yourself and honest.'},\n {'end_time': '21:57', 'start_time': '21:56', 'text': 'And you also have to be very manipulative.'},\n {'end_time': '21:59', 'start_time': '21:58', 'text': \"You can't be In a positive way.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:00', 'start_time': '21:59', 'text': 'In a positive way.'},\n {'end_time': '22:00', 'start_time': '22:00', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '22:04', 'start_time': '22:00', 'text': 'But Like, can you give an example of being manipulative for something good?'},\n {'end_time': '22:09', 'start_time': '22:05', 'text': 'Like, if you want to give your opinion on something, on your feedback on something, just be very positive about it.'},\n {'end_time': '22:11', 'start_time': '22:09', 'text': \"Like, don't Got it.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:12', 'start_time': '22:11', 'text': \"Don't hurt anyone's feelings.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:12', 'start_time': '22:12', 'text': 'Hurt anybody.'},\n {'end_time': '22:14', 'start_time': '22:12', 'text': \"That's called positive manipulation.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:14', 'start_time': '22:14', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '22:20', 'start_time': '22:14', 'text': \"So just, like, make a point, but be like a really nice person in In Punjabi, it's called velvet.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:23', 'start_time': '22:22', 'text': 'Oh, smiles.'},\n {'end_time': '22:27', 'start_time': '22:25', 'text': 'How many guys have you rejected like that?'},\n {'end_time': '22:28', 'start_time': '22:27', 'text': 'A lot.'},\n {'end_time': '22:28', 'start_time': '22:28', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '22:29', 'start_time': '22:29', 'text': 'Nice.'},\n {'end_time': '22:30', 'start_time': '22:29', 'text': 'Very good.'},\n {'end_time': '22:30', 'start_time': '22:30', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '22:35', 'start_time': '22:30', 'text': \"But I feel that there there are a lot of like, there'll be more people who rejected me.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:36', 'start_time': '22:35', 'text': 'Oh, really?'},\n {'end_time': '22:36', 'start_time': '22:36', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '22:36', 'start_time': '22:36', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '22:36', 'start_time': '22:36', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '22:38', 'start_time': '22:36', 'text': \"But let's come back to you rejecting guys.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:41', 'start_time': '22:38', 'text': \"What's your one advice for guys who want a girlfriend at the age of 20?\"},\n {'end_time': '22:48', 'start_time': '22:41', 'text': 'The other guys who your age and who who living, like, regular college lives, who are desperately looking for a relationship, what would be your advice?'},\n {'end_time': '22:50', 'start_time': '22:49', 'text': 'For guys only?'},\n {'end_time': '22:50', 'start_time': '22:50', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '22:54', 'start_time': '22:51', 'text': 'Just just be yourself.'},\n {'end_time': '23:01', 'start_time': '22:54', 'text': \"Like, I've been to dates where, you know, guys are just acting very as if I'm not like those guys.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:01', 'start_time': '23:01', 'text': 'Guys.'},\n {'end_time': '23:03', 'start_time': '23:01', 'text': 'So just be yourself, I think.'},\n {'end_time': '23:03', 'start_time': '23:03', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '23:08', 'start_time': '23:03', 'text': \"Just be really natural and just say what you feel and don't try to hide.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:09', 'start_time': '23:08', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '23:14', 'start_time': '23:09', 'text': \"So because you're from the media industry, I'm gonna do a very media industry thing and do a rapid fire round at the end of this podcast.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:16', 'start_time': '23:15', 'text': \"And we're at the end of the podcast.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:18', 'start_time': '23:16', 'text': \"So, let's go.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:19', 'start_time': '23:18', 'text': 'Ranbir Kapoor or Ranveer Singh?'},\n {'end_time': '23:20', 'start_time': '23:19', 'text': 'Ranveer Singh.'},\n {'end_time': '23:21', 'start_time': '23:20', 'text': 'Alia Bhatt or Radhika Apte?'},\n {'end_time': '23:24', 'start_time': '23:23', 'text': 'Radhika Apte.'},\n {'end_time': '23:24', 'start_time': '23:24', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '23:26', 'start_time': '23:24', 'text': 'Your favorite drink in the whole world, your go to drink?'},\n {'end_time': '23:29', 'start_time': '23:27', 'text': \"Strawberry milkshake by McDonald's.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:30', 'start_time': '23:29', 'text': 'And your favorite alcoholic drink in the whole world?'},\n {'end_time': '23:31', 'start_time': '23:30', 'text': 'Wine.'},\n {'end_time': '23:31', 'start_time': '23:31', 'text': 'Red wine.'},\n {'end_time': '23:33', 'start_time': '23:31', 'text': \"Other than Karan Johar, who's the dream director that you like to work?\"},\n {'end_time': '23:34', 'start_time': '23:33', 'text': 'Anurag Kashyap.'},\n {'end_time': '23:35', 'start_time': '23:35', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '23:38', 'start_time': '23:35', 'text': 'A dream role that you think you could have done better than someone who did it?'},\n {'end_time': '23:44', 'start_time': '23:40', 'text': \"I couldn't do better, but I would love to do, Geet from Okay.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:44', 'start_time': '23:44', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '23:45', 'start_time': '23:44', 'text': \"That's very you.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:46', 'start_time': '23:45', 'text': \"It's like.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:48', 'start_time': '23:46', 'text': \"But I'm not saying that I would do it better.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:50', 'start_time': '23:48', 'text': 'I would not do it better, but I would like to do it.'},\n {'end_time': '23:51', 'start_time': '23:50', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '23:55', 'start_time': '23:51', 'text': \"Who's the sexiest guy in the acting the digital acting world?\"},\n {'end_time': '23:56', 'start_time': '23:55', 'text': 'They are.'},\n {'end_time': '24:00', 'start_time': '24:00', 'text': 'Fuck.'},\n {'end_time': '24:02', 'start_time': '24:01', 'text': 'Oh, my.'},\n {'end_time': '24:05', 'start_time': '24:04', 'text': 'Sexiest guy?'},\n {'end_time': '24:06', 'start_time': '24:05', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '24:14', 'start_time': '24:06', 'text': 'Sexiest guy will be the most charming guy is Jeetu.'},\n {'end_time': '24:15', 'start_time': '24:15', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '24:15', 'start_time': '24:15', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '24:23', 'start_time': '24:17', 'text': 'The most cutest guy is Sumit Vyas, and the hottest will be Amol Purushan.'},\n {'end_time': '24:23', 'start_time': '24:23', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '24:27', 'start_time': '24:23', 'text': \"And if you're to choose 1 out of these 3 for overall sexiness package Okay.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:34', 'start_time': '24:27', 'text': \"I don't think if you know this, but everybody in TVF and Digital Pin know that I had a humongous crush on Jeetu.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:35', 'start_time': '24:34', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '24:35', 'start_time': '24:35', 'text': 'Great.'},\n {'end_time': '24:36', 'start_time': '24:35', 'text': 'Jeetu is love.'},\n {'end_time': '24:37', 'start_time': '24:36', 'text': 'Jeetu is big.'},\n {'end_time': '24:37', 'start_time': '24:37', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '24:38', 'start_time': '24:37', 'text': 'Jeetu.'},\n {'end_time': '24:38', 'start_time': '24:38', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '24:42', 'start_time': '24:38', 'text': 'Your ultimate personality trait on a guy other than being well read?'},\n {'end_time': '24:46', 'start_time': '24:45', 'text': 'Honesty.'},\n {'end_time': '24:47', 'start_time': '24:46', 'text': 'Just be honest.'},\n {'end_time': '24:51', 'start_time': '24:47', 'text': 'Your ultimate personality trait on a guy other than being honest and well read?'},\n {'end_time': '24:53', 'start_time': '24:52', 'text': 'Be good looking.'},\n {'end_time': '24:54', 'start_time': '24:53', 'text': 'Oh, no.'},\n {'end_time': '24:55', 'start_time': '24:54', 'text': 'But personality trait.'},\n {'end_time': '24:55', 'start_time': '24:55', 'text': 'Personality.'},\n {'end_time': '24:56', 'start_time': '24:55', 'text': 'Alright.'},\n {'end_time': '25:00', 'start_time': '24:59', 'text': 'Just be, like, a funny guy.'},\n {'end_time': '25:01', 'start_time': '25:00', 'text': 'It would be fun.'},\n {'end_time': '25:05', 'start_time': '25:01', 'text': \"I I don't like like, sense of humor is there.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:08', 'start_time': '25:05', 'text': \"Like, just make a joke about yourself and I'd be like, wow.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:08', 'start_time': '25:08', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '25:13', 'start_time': '25:09', 'text': 'One trait that you wish that your next boyfriend has above everything else that will, like, complete you?'},\n {'end_time': '25:20', 'start_time': '25:15', 'text': 'Just, like, just, like, that guy has to be really understanding.'},\n {'end_time': '25:24', 'start_time': '25:20', 'text': 'Like, my deepest, darkest Secret should be accurate.'},\n {'end_time': '25:28', 'start_time': '25:24', 'text': \"Or, like, my like, the the darkest mistake that I've made ever in life.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:29', 'start_time': '25:28', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '25:30', 'start_time': '25:29', 'text': 'He could just understand that.'},\n {'end_time': '25:34', 'start_time': '25:30', 'text': 'Like, understand me exactly, like, how I think.'},\n {'end_time': '25:43', 'start_time': '25:34', 'text': \"I mean, that's impossible, but it's just like One thing that you've never told anyone else in your life that you're gonna reveal on this podcast for the first time.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:44', 'start_time': '25:43', 'text': 'One thing no one knows about you.'},\n {'end_time': '25:46', 'start_time': '25:45', 'text': 'I never wash my legs.'},\n {'end_time': '25:47', 'start_time': '25:47', 'text': 'What?'},\n {'end_time': '25:48', 'start_time': '25:47', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '25:49', 'start_time': '25:49', 'text': 'Like what?'},\n {'end_time': '25:52', 'start_time': '25:49', 'text': \"Like Like, I don't put soap on my legs.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:53', 'start_time': '25:52', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '25:54', 'start_time': '25:53', 'text': \"That's like some fear?\"},\n {'end_time': '25:55', 'start_time': '25:54', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '25:56', 'start_time': '25:55', 'text': \"It's just that it's not required.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:00', 'start_time': '25:57', 'text': 'Because the soap from, like, just, like, washes off.'},\n {'end_time': '26:01', 'start_time': '26:00', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '26:02', 'start_time': '26:01', 'text': \"I really don't have a reason.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:04', 'start_time': '26:02', 'text': \"It's just that I don't, like, scrub my legs.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:04', 'start_time': '26:04', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '26:05', 'start_time': '26:04', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '26:05', 'start_time': '26:05', 'text': 'Next question.'},\n {'end_time': '26:07', 'start_time': '26:05', 'text': \"What's your life's biggest insecurity?\"},\n {'end_time': '26:08', 'start_time': '26:07', 'text': 'Losing work.'},\n {'end_time': '26:09', 'start_time': '26:09', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '26:10', 'start_time': '26:09', 'text': 'Like, not Not making it.'},\n {'end_time': '26:20', 'start_time': '26:11', 'text': \"Like, not like like, even in TV, there's so many times that I feel like TVF will stop calling me or, like, I won't be as good as I am.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:22', 'start_time': '26:20', 'text': 'And also, like, forgetting acting, how to act.'},\n {'end_time': '26:24', 'start_time': '26:23', 'text': \"I think both aren't possible.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:30', 'start_time': '26:24', 'text': \"And this is coming as a bro because, like, dude, you've already reached, like, a certain stage of, like, safety in your career.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:33', 'start_time': '26:30', 'text': 'And your 2 talented people see your talent as well.'},\n {'end_time': '26:34', 'start_time': '26:33', 'text': \"So that that's not gonna happen.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:35', 'start_time': '26:34', 'text': 'I hope.'},\n {'end_time': '26:35', 'start_time': '26:35', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '26:36', 'start_time': '26:35', 'text': 'But is there any forget, like, your career.'},\n {'end_time': '26:38', 'start_time': '26:36', 'text': 'Is there any insecurity in your personal life?'},\n {'end_time': '26:39', 'start_time': '26:38', 'text': 'Just losing my mother.'},\n {'end_time': '26:40', 'start_time': '26:40', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '26:45', 'start_time': '26:40', 'text': \"And I'd know that I will at some point, but this is that it's like, I can't imagine my life.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:46', 'start_time': '26:45', 'text': 'Like, I think about it.'},\n {'end_time': '27:03', 'start_time': '26:46', 'text': \"I'm like, I am, like, a good actress, and I will not let you down.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:05', 'start_time': '27:03', 'text': 'I will work really, really hard.'},\n {'end_time': '27:07', 'start_time': '27:05', 'text': \"It's always been my dream to work with you.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:09', 'start_time': '27:07', 'text': 'Please cast me in your next film.'},\n {'end_time': '27:10', 'start_time': '27:09', 'text': \"You won't lose anything.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:13', 'start_time': '27:10', 'text': 'If you had a genie in the bottle, what would you wish for?'},\n {'end_time': '27:13', 'start_time': '27:13', 'text': 'Three wishes.'},\n {'end_time': '27:15', 'start_time': '27:14', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '27:15', 'start_time': '27:15', 'text': 'Good.'},\n {'end_time': '27:16', 'start_time': '27:15', 'text': 'I okay.'},\n {'end_time': '27:17', 'start_time': '27:16', 'text': 'Three wishes.'},\n {'end_time': '27:23', 'start_time': '27:18', 'text': 'First is the Bollywood actors banjo, like, Alia For fame?'},\n {'end_time': '27:24', 'start_time': '27:23', 'text': 'For fame.'},\n {'end_time': '27:32', 'start_time': '27:24', 'text': 'For fame, never losing my mother and going back to December 2018.'},\n {'end_time': '27:33', 'start_time': '27:32', 'text': 'Why?'},\n {'end_time': '27:35', 'start_time': '27:33', 'text': 'Just Oh, some okay.'},\n {'end_time': '27:35', 'start_time': '27:35', 'text': 'Cool.'},\n {'end_time': '27:36', 'start_time': '27:35', 'text': 'Some personal scene.'},\n {'end_time': '27:36', 'start_time': '27:36', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '27:36', 'start_time': '27:36', 'text': 'Next question.'},\n {'end_time': '27:38', 'start_time': '27:36', 'text': 'What happened in December 2018?'},\n {'end_time': '27:39', 'start_time': '27:38', 'text': 'You do it.'},\n {'end_time': '27:42', 'start_time': '27:41', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '27:42', 'start_time': '27:42', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '27:42', 'start_time': '27:42', 'text': 'Fine.'},\n {'end_time': '27:43', 'start_time': '27:42', 'text': \"We're gonna end the interview.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:44', 'start_time': '27:43', 'text': 'Oh.'},\n {'end_time': '27:44', 'start_time': '27:44', 'text': \"You're gonna you know, wait.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:45', 'start_time': '27:44', 'text': \"We won't end the interview.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:46', 'start_time': '27:45', 'text': 'Go on.'},\n {'end_time': '27:47', 'start_time': '27:46', 'text': 'In the okay.'},\n {'end_time': '27:48', 'start_time': '27:47', 'text': \"I'll be honest.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:53', 'start_time': '27:48', 'text': 'In December 2018, I took a lot of things for granted, and I could do a lot of better things.'},\n {'end_time': '27:57', 'start_time': '27:54', 'text': 'I could handle a lot of things better.'},\n {'end_time': '27:57', 'start_time': '27:57', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '28:01', 'start_time': '27:57', 'text': \"And, I could save a lot of things, but I didn't.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:07', 'start_time': '28:01', 'text': \"I just went in the flow, and I just took a lot of things for granted, and that's I lost a lot of things.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:08', 'start_time': '28:07', 'text': \"What's his name?\"},\n {'end_time': '28:09', 'start_time': '28:08', 'text': 'His name.'},\n {'end_time': '28:10', 'start_time': '28:09', 'text': 'Oh, okay.'},\n {'end_time': '28:10', 'start_time': '28:10', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '28:11', 'start_time': '28:11', 'text': 'Cool.'},\n {'end_time': '28:13', 'start_time': '28:11', 'text': \"It's just But you're single now?\"},\n {'end_time': '28:13', 'start_time': '28:13', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '28:14', 'start_time': '28:14', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '28:14', 'start_time': '28:14', 'text': 'Cool.'},\n {'end_time': '28:16', 'start_time': '28:15', 'text': 'Since December 2018.'},\n {'end_time': '28:17', 'start_time': '28:16', 'text': 'Cool.'},\n {'end_time': '28:21', 'start_time': '28:17', 'text': \"But but you also I know as a friend, you're on a deep career tangent and like Yeah.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:21', 'start_time': '28:21', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '28:21', 'start_time': '28:21', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '28:22', 'start_time': '28:21', 'text': 'So No.'},\n {'end_time': '28:23', 'start_time': '28:22', 'text': \"I'm not saying you're a guy.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:27', 'start_time': '28:23', 'text': \"I'm like, there are there were a lot of situations and a lot of things and also work.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:28', 'start_time': '28:27', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '28:30', 'start_time': '28:28', 'text': 'There was like You could have done things differently.'},\n {'end_time': '28:31', 'start_time': '28:30', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '28:31', 'start_time': '28:31', 'text': 'One final thing.'},\n {'end_time': '28:33', 'start_time': '28:31', 'text': 'This is not a rapid fire question.'},\n {'end_time': '28:36', 'start_time': '28:33', 'text': 'This is just like a closing note on this entire podcast.'},\n {'end_time': '28:38', 'start_time': '28:36', 'text': \"Now you're a friend of mine.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:41', 'start_time': '28:38', 'text': 'And one thing you keep saying is you think that your time is, like, passing you by.'},\n {'end_time': '28:42', 'start_time': '28:41', 'text': \"1, you're just 20.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:45', 'start_time': '28:42', 'text': \"People's careers don't start till they're, like, 26, 27.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:46', 'start_time': '28:45', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '28:49', 'start_time': '28:46', 'text': \"You have, like, you know, even 3, 4 years later, you'll still be super young.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:51', 'start_time': '28:50', 'text': 'So I think you should chill about that.'},\n {'end_time': '28:59', 'start_time': '28:51', 'text': \"2, people have, like, noticed you right now, and you've achieved a lot more than other people can dream of achieving at, like, the age of 20.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:01', 'start_time': '28:59', 'text': '3, you had a dream life till now.'},\n {'end_time': '29:01', 'start_time': '29:01', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '29:05', 'start_time': '29:01', 'text': 'Like growing up like as like a child star getting like fame in your life, getting success.'},\n {'end_time': '29:08', 'start_time': '29:05', 'text': \"You're also making money as a 20 year old and good money.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:09', 'start_time': '29:08', 'text': '4, okay.'},\n {'end_time': '29:12', 'start_time': '29:10', 'text': 'I want to ask you a question actually.'},\n {'end_time': '29:15', 'start_time': '29:12', 'text': 'Why do you feel that your time is passing you by?'},\n {'end_time': '29:17', 'start_time': '29:15', 'text': 'Is it like external voices that are telling you that?'},\n {'end_time': '29:19', 'start_time': '29:17', 'text': 'Or do you internally feel that from inside?'},\n {'end_time': '29:23', 'start_time': '29:20', 'text': 'I think it can be the external voices that are telling me that.'},\n {'end_time': '29:26', 'start_time': '29:24', 'text': 'But I also feel that time really passes by that.'},\n {'end_time': '29:31', 'start_time': '29:27', 'text': \"So and I just feel that there's so many days that I've wasted not working.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:33', 'start_time': '29:31', 'text': \"And you're one of the hardest working people that I've met now.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:36', 'start_time': '29:33', 'text': 'But I have also, like, wasted a lot of lot of time.'},\n {'end_time': '29:37', 'start_time': '29:37', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '29:41', 'start_time': '29:37', 'text': 'Like, even in December 2018, I was just being very insecure about myself for no reason.'},\n {'end_time': '29:45', 'start_time': '29:41', 'text': 'When I could actually give a lot of auditions, then I was just home being depressed for no reason.'},\n {'end_time': '29:46', 'start_time': '29:45', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '29:53', 'start_time': '29:46', 'text': \"So there are the things that I've, like so I think that and I just, like, I feel like 2016 was last year.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:53', 'start_time': '29:53', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '29:55', 'start_time': '29:53', 'text': 'So when I left TV, it was in 2016.'},\n {'end_time': '29:57', 'start_time': '29:55', 'text': 'I feel like I left I just left TV.'},\n {'end_time': '29:58', 'start_time': '29:58', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '30:00', 'start_time': '29:58', 'text': 'Time really passes by like that.'},\n {'end_time': '30:01', 'start_time': '30:00', 'text': \"It's really fast.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:02', 'start_time': '30:01', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '30:04', 'start_time': '30:02', 'text': \"So, you know, one thing I've realized and I've realized this really late.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:13', 'start_time': '30:04', 'text': \"In fact, like, probably only for the last one and a half, two years that as you grow up, you'll have these bouts of insecurity and, you know, self doubt every 3 to 6 months.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:16', 'start_time': '30:13', 'text': 'And as you grow up, you become more stable from the inside.'},\n {'end_time': '30:21', 'start_time': '30:16', 'text': \"So the next time the insecurity creeps up, you just realize, oh, it's happening again in my life.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:27', 'start_time': '30:21', 'text': \"And then you eventually make peace with it because you realize, okay, it's that that time of the year where, you know, I'll start doubting myself.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:31', 'start_time': '30:27', 'text': 'It happens to every human being including Mukesh Ambani and Narendra Modi.'},\n {'end_time': '30:32', 'start_time': '30:31', 'text': 'Everyone doubts themselves.'},\n {'end_time': '30:39', 'start_time': '30:32', 'text': \"But it's just that the sooner you learn to, like, you know, look and say that, dude, you know, I'm chill is the sooner you'll be chill.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:45', 'start_time': '30:39', 'text': \"So the next time you're feeling like insecure and that self doubt is creeping in, remember that you're the biggest digital star in the country today.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:45', 'start_time': '30:45', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '30:48', 'start_time': '30:45', 'text': 'And a lot of people know who you are.'},\n {'end_time': '30:50', 'start_time': '30:48', 'text': 'A lot of people are betting on you.'},\n {'end_time': '30:52', 'start_time': '30:50', 'text': 'So just remind yourself of that.'},\n {'end_time': '30:53', 'start_time': '30:52', 'text': \"You're in a great zone in life.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:55', 'start_time': '30:53', 'text': 'Just and sometimes you just need outside perspective.'},\n {'end_time': '30:59', 'start_time': '30:55', 'text': 'You need someone to hold up a mirror at you and say that, listen, this is where you are in life.'},\n {'end_time': '31:00', 'start_time': '30:59', 'text': 'So chill out, man.'},\n {'end_time': '31:01', 'start_time': '31:00', 'text': \"You're in a good zone.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:09', 'start_time': '31:02', 'text': 'Every time I feel, like, really low and, like, bad about myself, I need some, like, encouragement.'},\n {'end_time': '31:09', 'start_time': '31:09', 'text': 'I just talk to you.'},\n {'end_time': '31:10', 'start_time': '31:09', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '31:11', 'start_time': '31:10', 'text': 'This is just to let the world know that.'},\n {'end_time': '31:11', 'start_time': '31:11', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '31:13', 'start_time': '31:11', 'text': 'I think we all have someone like that now.'},\n {'end_time': '31:13', 'start_time': '31:13', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '31:13', 'start_time': '31:13', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '31:15', 'start_time': '31:13', 'text': 'Even I have someone like that in my life.'},\n {'end_time': '31:16', 'start_time': '31:15', 'text': \"That's Marish Pandey.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:17', 'start_time': '31:16', 'text': \"He'll be on the podcast soon.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:20', 'start_time': '31:18', 'text': 'But anyway, I wanna end the podcast.'},\n {'end_time': '31:22', 'start_time': '31:20', 'text': 'Thank you for being on monkey chat.'},\n {'end_time': '31:25', 'start_time': '31:22', 'text': \"You're on to huge things in life, so just keep going, man.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:28', 'start_time': '31:25', 'text': \"Like, everyone's eyes are on it, Ashana.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:32', 'start_time': '31:28', 'text': 'One closing note to everyone, just, like, a biggest life lesson.'},\n {'end_time': '31:35', 'start_time': '31:34', 'text': 'Just, like, really work hard.'},\n {'end_time': '31:36', 'start_time': '31:35', 'text': 'Like, work hard.'},\n {'end_time': '31:41', 'start_time': '31:36', 'text': \"Even if you get there, just keep working hard because you'll you will not even know that you're about to lose it.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:41', 'start_time': '31:41', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '31:44', 'start_time': '31:41', 'text': \"So just and don't take things for granted.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:49', 'start_time': '31:44', 'text': \"If it's work, if it's a relationship, or even a friendship, and spend time with your parents.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:51', 'start_time': '31:49', 'text': 'Really spend time and just sit down and talk.'},\n {'end_time': '32:00', 'start_time': '31:51', 'text': \"This is what I realized, like, recently that there are times that we don't just like, there are so many things that our parents want to tell us, and they just wanna have, like, a one on one conversation with us.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:02', 'start_time': '32:00', 'text': \"It's it's not like a specific topic.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:04', 'start_time': '32:02', 'text': 'They just want to talk to us.'},\n {'end_time': '32:09', 'start_time': '32:04', 'text': \"So just do that because there will be a time when you won't be able to do it and you will regret it the most.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:10', 'start_time': '32:09', 'text': \"So just and it's time.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:17', 'start_time': '32:10', 'text': \"And I've I'm, like, I'm lucky that I've realized it when I'm 20, but people usually realize it when they're 40 30 years old.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:17', 'start_time': '32:17', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '32:19', 'start_time': '32:17', 'text': 'So just Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '32:24', 'start_time': '32:19', 'text': \"Being a friend of yours, I think you're seriously someone who has the mentality of a 25, 26 year old at the age of 20.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:29', 'start_time': '32:24', 'text': \"I also feel a reason for that is because your career started that early, and you've just been exposed to older people throughout your life.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:29', 'start_time': '32:29', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '32:31', 'start_time': '32:29', 'text': 'So keep going, man.'},\n {'end_time': '32:32', 'start_time': '32:31', 'text': 'A lot of people are betting on you.'},\n {'end_time': '32:34', 'start_time': '32:32', 'text': 'Thank you again for being on monkey chat.'},\n {'end_time': '32:36', 'start_time': '32:34', 'text': 'Thank you so much for having me here, Ranveer.'},\n {'end_time': '32:38', 'start_time': '32:36', 'text': \"And we'll have you on the show again soon.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:38', 'start_time': '32:38', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '32:39', 'start_time': '32:38', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '32:40', 'start_time': '32:39', 'text': 'See you, Asas.'},\n {'end_time': '32:40', 'start_time': '32:40', 'text': 'Thank you.'}],\n dtype=object)}", "role": 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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:09", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "Honestly believe that there's no other industry in the country that's as impactful as the industry that we call Bollywood or Indian films." }, { "end_time": "0:15", "start_time": "0:09", "text": "Now imagine dedicating your entire life to one industry, studying it inside out every single week, every single day actually." }, { "end_time": "0:17", "start_time": "0:16", "text": "That's Rajeev Masan for you." }, { "end_time": "0:19", "start_time": "0:17", "text": "Also super articulate guy." }, { "end_time": "0:23", "start_time": "0:20", "text": "He can talk about his thoughts really, really well." }, { "end_time": "0:25", "start_time": "0:23", "text": "But of course, it's the Ranveer show." }, { "end_time": "0:28", "start_time": "0:25", "text": "And if we're talking about Bollywood, we're not just talking about the business of Bollywood." }, { "end_time": "0:32", "start_time": "0:28", "text": "We're also talking about the gossipy side of Bollywood, the dark side of Bollywood." }, { "end_time": "0:36", "start_time": "0:32", "text": "But I promise you, it's all from an intellectual perspective." }, { "end_time": "0:37", "start_time": "0:36", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "0:44", "start_time": "0:37", "text": "Gossip, darkness and intellectual conversation can be put in the same 30 minutes or so." }, { "end_time": "0:52", "start_time": "0:44", "text": "Hope you enjoy this 30 minute podcast with one of the most learned men when it comes to the world of modern Bollywood, Rajeev Masan." }, { "end_time": "0:54", "start_time": "0:52", "text": "Lots to learn in this podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:04", "start_time": "1:02", "text": "Welcome to another episode of the Renvie Show." }, { "end_time": "1:11", "start_time": "1:04", "text": "This one's gonna be smart, intellectual, articulate because we got all these words personified, mister Rajeev Masandhi." }, { "end_time": "1:11", "start_time": "1:11", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:12", "start_time": "1:11", "text": "You're making very big promises." }, { "end_time": "1:14", "start_time": "1:12", "text": "I hope we can live up to them." }, { "end_time": "1:14", "start_time": "1:14", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:18", "start_time": "1:14", "text": "It's you're you're one of the most fiery brains in the business and that's why I'm gonna ask you." }, { "end_time": "1:19", "start_time": "1:18", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:21", "start_time": "1:19", "text": "Three quick pieces of Bollywood gossip." }, { "end_time": "1:26", "start_time": "1:24", "text": "Without without without taking names." }, { "end_time": "1:27", "start_time": "1:26", "text": "Oh dear." }, { "end_time": "1:28", "start_time": "1:27", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:41", "start_time": "1:28", "text": "I know that a particular actor is really angry with his co star because his co star has suddenly, has recently spoken about, kind of disowned the film by pointing to historical inaccuracies in the film." }, { "end_time": "1:46", "start_time": "1:42", "text": "And and the cost and the and the the producer actors really mad at him." }, { "end_time": "1:46", "start_time": "1:46", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "2:05", "start_time": "1:47", "text": "I know there are certain actress who, was trying to avoid her ex at a certain event, was only half successful because they were in the room at the same time and it got awkward because the other actor was with his family." }, { "end_time": "2:06", "start_time": "2:05", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "2:07", "start_time": "2:06", "text": "And one more." }, { "end_time": "2:08", "start_time": "2:07", "text": "This is hard, man." }, { "end_time": "2:11", "start_time": "2:09", "text": "I know that there's serious problem." }, { "end_time": "2:14", "start_time": "2:11", "text": "There's serious monetary problem on a film that everyone's really looking forward to." }, { "end_time": "2:19", "start_time": "2:14", "text": "It's supposed to be the big one that's gonna come out, but there's a there's a huge financial problem there." }, { "end_time": "2:22", "start_time": "2:19", "text": "They might be running out of budget because they've been shooting for so long." }, { "end_time": "2:23", "start_time": "2:22", "text": "Oh, wow." }, { "end_time": "2:23", "start_time": "2:23", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "2:24", "start_time": "2:23", "text": "Cool." }, { "end_time": "2:26", "start_time": "2:24", "text": "My next question to you, mister Rajeev Masan." }, { "end_time": "2:31", "start_time": "2:27", "text": "Because you're from this industry, it's your job to study this industry a lot." }, { "end_time": "2:33", "start_time": "2:31", "text": "So it's gonna be straight up difficult question to you." }, { "end_time": "2:33", "start_time": "2:33", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "2:36", "start_time": "2:33", "text": "What's Shah Rukh Khan done wrong in the last 5, 6 years?" }, { "end_time": "2:44", "start_time": "2:36", "text": "You know, I think he became, I think first, I wanna say that I think that he has taken risks." }, { "end_time": "2:46", "start_time": "2:44", "text": "I think I think 0 was a huge risk." }, { "end_time": "2:49", "start_time": "2:46", "text": "I think there was there was it it came from a place of trying something really brave." }, { "end_time": "2:54", "start_time": "2:49", "text": "I think it felt like Phan was extraordinary, in terms of what he wanted to do." }, { "end_time": "3:00", "start_time": "2:54", "text": "I think what he's been unable to to to to shake off is to play Shahrukh Khan over and over again." }, { "end_time": "3:03", "start_time": "3:00", "text": "Even when he's playing a dwarf, he's playing Shahrukh the dwarf." }, { "end_time": "3:05", "start_time": "3:03", "text": "He's not playing that dwarf." }, { "end_time": "3:07", "start_time": "3:05", "text": "He's playing Shahrukh the the little person." }, { "end_time": "3:11", "start_time": "3:07", "text": "He's playing Shahrukh the, the socially awkward, whatever, in fan." }, { "end_time": "3:18", "start_time": "3:12", "text": "Which is why in fan, for me, the character that stood out was actually the film star because I thought that that he played really interestingly." }, { "end_time": "3:23", "start_time": "3:18", "text": "And he was playing a version of himself, but but that one really bristled because because he was playing him darker." }, { "end_time": "3:27", "start_time": "3:23", "text": "He was playing him as as someone who's who's dances at weddings for money." }, { "end_time": "3:34", "start_time": "3:27", "text": "Who's who's, who's not all, you know, who's not the who's not the movie star that we that we see in on on hoardings, but but he's the real movie star." }, { "end_time": "3:40", "start_time": "3:34", "text": "So I think the problem is that he needs to completely let go of of Shah Rukh Khan." }, { "end_time": "3:42", "start_time": "3:40", "text": "And, and he's a fine actor." }, { "end_time": "3:43", "start_time": "3:42", "text": "It's there." }, { "end_time": "3:47", "start_time": "3:43", "text": "I think he needs to work with directors who are not overwhelmed by him." }, { "end_time": "3:49", "start_time": "3:47", "text": "I think he needs to let go of control." }, { "end_time": "3:58", "start_time": "3:49", "text": "And I think that's very hard when you're a massive superstar because you really do understand the business and you understand your fans and you think you understand what the world wants better than even your filmmakers." }, { "end_time": "3:59", "start_time": "3:58", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "4:03", "start_time": "3:59", "text": "But I think that the only way to completely submit is to give up control." }, { "end_time": "4:06", "start_time": "4:03", "text": "Trust a filmmaker, trust a story and say that I like this and that's why I wanna do it." }, { "end_time": "4:07", "start_time": "4:06", "text": "And I think he's done that." }, { "end_time": "4:13", "start_time": "4:07", "text": "But very often what he's done is he loves he loves Anand Rai's story, but he will come in as as producer and take charge of a lot of things." }, { "end_time": "4:13", "start_time": "4:13", "text": "Don't." }, { "end_time": "4:15", "start_time": "4:13", "text": "Let let it be Anand Rai's aesthetic." }, { "end_time": "4:17", "start_time": "4:15", "text": "Let it be Shujit Sarkar's aesthetic." }, { "end_time": "4:19", "start_time": "4:17", "text": "Let it be Imtiaz Ali's aesthetic." }, { "end_time": "4:22", "start_time": "4:19", "text": "I think that he allows too much of Shahrukh to creep in." }, { "end_time": "4:23", "start_time": "4:22", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "4:25", "start_time": "4:23", "text": "But I still think that he's the bravest of them all." }, { "end_time": "4:30", "start_time": "4:25", "text": "I think he's taking more leaps and and and and, you know, he's taking more chances than than most of the others are." }, { "end_time": "4:32", "start_time": "4:30", "text": "He's also the most charming of them all." }, { "end_time": "4:38", "start_time": "4:32", "text": "So that's why even if he has only flop films from here on, he's still gonna be loved and respected by That's the thing." }, { "end_time": "4:39", "start_time": "4:38", "text": "I think he's just really charming." }, { "end_time": "4:44", "start_time": "4:39", "text": "It's imp I'll I'll tell you from my I'm not name dropping, but there's 2 people in the world." }, { "end_time": "4:49", "start_time": "4:44", "text": "And I'm saying world because it's 2 different you know, there are who are exactly the same personality wise, and I met them." }, { "end_time": "4:50", "start_time": "4:49", "text": "One is Shah Rukh and the other is Tom Cruise." }, { "end_time": "4:51", "start_time": "4:50", "text": "I've met Tom Cruise." }, { "end_time": "4:53", "start_time": "4:51", "text": "And I'm I cannot tell you how similar they are." }, { "end_time": "4:56", "start_time": "4:53", "text": "When you're with them, they charm the pants off you." }, { "end_time": "4:59", "start_time": "4:57", "text": "I've been in a room with Tom Cruise for like 8 minutes." }, { "end_time": "5:02", "start_time": "4:59", "text": "I mean, you know, you've been on junkets, so you know how these things are really short." }, { "end_time": "5:06", "start_time": "5:02", "text": "In those 8 minutes, I felt like I'm the most important person in his life." }, { "end_time": "5:09", "start_time": "5:06", "text": "And that is that is exactly the quality that Shahrukh has." }, { "end_time": "5:11", "start_time": "5:09", "text": "When they're with you and Shahrukh makes you wait, man." }, { "end_time": "5:16", "start_time": "5:11", "text": "Like, I mean, you know, by the time you're it's your turn to to go into a meeting or an interview with Shahrukh, 4 hours have passed or whatever." }, { "end_time": "5:17", "start_time": "5:16", "text": "So you're exhausted." }, { "end_time": "5:27", "start_time": "5:17", "text": "But that half hour, one hour that you spend with Sharuk, you walk out feeling like you're the most important person in his life, in the world because they really know how to, make you feel good." }, { "end_time": "5:30", "start_time": "5:27", "text": "They really, they, they really know, you know, they, they know how to talk to people." }, { "end_time": "5:32", "start_time": "5:30", "text": "And Tom Cruise is exactly like that." }, { "end_time": "5:34", "start_time": "5:32", "text": "And I think that that's why they have the enduring, the both of them." }, { "end_time": "5:41", "start_time": "5:34", "text": "I mean, there have been spades of, you know, there have been huge chunks in Tom Cruise's career where films didn't work, where he didn't have major releases." }, { "end_time": "5:47", "start_time": "5:41", "text": "But he's still considered one of the biggest superstars in the world because of that enduring quality." }, { "end_time": "5:48", "start_time": "5:47", "text": "He has that." }, { "end_time": "5:50", "start_time": "5:48", "text": "Even when the films don't work, you don't forget him." }, { "end_time": "5:55", "start_time": "5:50", "text": "I mean, he's he's had such a huge impact on the cultural footprint really as as has Farooq." }, { "end_time": "5:56", "start_time": "5:55", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "5:59", "start_time": "5:56", "text": "I also wanna ask you a little bit about the business of Bollywood." }, { "end_time": "6:02", "start_time": "6:00", "text": "Now these top actors, everyone's becoming a producer." }, { "end_time": "6:07", "start_time": "6:02", "text": "What I think a lot of the audiences don't know is that actors have a lot of businesses outside of films as well." }, { "end_time": "6:07", "start_time": "6:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:14", "start_time": "6:07", "text": "So, could you, like, kind of just very fast break down the whole, revenue stream model of all these actors?" }, { "end_time": "6:15", "start_time": "6:14", "text": "Like, what's happening in the modern day?" }, { "end_time": "6:15", "start_time": "6:15", "text": "Day?" }, { "end_time": "6:16", "start_time": "6:15", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "6:22", "start_time": "6:16", "text": "All of them have, have other interests because I constantly, you know, constantly hearing about how films actually don't pay as much money." }, { "end_time": "6:36", "start_time": "6:22", "text": "And it probably is true because given the amount of time they spend working on a film, it's not even if, even if you're Akshay, Unless you're Akshay Kumar who makes 5 films in a year and who charges like 30 plus crores and every unless but but most of the other stars don't want to do that." }, { "end_time": "6:38", "start_time": "6:36", "text": "Aamir Khan does 1 film in 3 years and 1 film in 2 years." }, { "end_time": "6:43", "start_time": "6:38", "text": "And whatever he gets paid is not, is not commensurate to what you could be making if you were doing other things." }, { "end_time": "6:45", "start_time": "6:43", "text": "So I think that they make all their money." }, { "end_time": "6:47", "start_time": "6:45", "text": "The real money comes from other things." }, { "end_time": "6:48", "start_time": "6:47", "text": "You know, you know, I remember meeting sorry." }, { "end_time": "6:49", "start_time": "6:48", "text": "Again, dropping names." }, { "end_time": "6:50", "start_time": "6:49", "text": "Ryan Reynolds." }, { "end_time": "6:53", "start_time": "6:50", "text": "You know, I I remember meeting Ryan Reynolds when when when he was doing Deadpool." }, { "end_time": "6:55", "start_time": "6:53", "text": "And he said, you make movies for love." }, { "end_time": "6:57", "start_time": "6:55", "text": "You get paid for the marketing." }, { "end_time": "6:58", "start_time": "6:57", "text": "Because half the time they're they're promoting films." }, { "end_time": "7:00", "start_time": "6:58", "text": "He said, that's the part that you don't really enjoy." }, { "end_time": "7:00", "start_time": "7:00", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "7:01", "start_time": "7:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:01", "start_time": "7:01", "text": "Plugging a film." }, { "end_time": "7:02", "start_time": "7:01", "text": "And I think that's true." }, { "end_time": "7:07", "start_time": "7:02", "text": "In in the case of Bollywood Stars, it's the ads, it's the appearances, it's the other businesses." }, { "end_time": "7:10", "start_time": "7:07", "text": "I mean, each of them have, you know, multiple businesses." }, { "end_time": "7:11", "start_time": "7:10", "text": "Are you familiar with who has what?" }, { "end_time": "7:13", "start_time": "7:12", "text": "You know, I have to say no." }, { "end_time": "7:13", "start_time": "7:13", "text": "I don't." }, { "end_time": "7:14", "start_time": "7:13", "text": "I'm not." }, { "end_time": "7:18", "start_time": "7:14", "text": "I mean, Shah Rukh, of course, has a production company, but I'm I'm sure that's one of other businesses." }, { "end_time": "7:21", "start_time": "7:18", "text": "I'm sure they're all heavily invested in, in in, real estate." }, { "end_time": "7:29", "start_time": "7:21", "text": "I'm sure that they have, you know, the joke about Akshay Kumar used to be that when you walk into Toronto and Akshay Kumar owns half of Toronto because he's got so much property." }, { "end_time": "7:30", "start_time": "7:29", "text": "But but I'm not." }, { "end_time": "7:33", "start_time": "7:30", "text": "I have to say very honestly, I could, I mean, you know, you know of some." }, { "end_time": "7:38", "start_time": "7:33", "text": "Like, you know, Abhishek has a stake in a in a in a sports company and you know that, Taapsee has a stake." }, { "end_time": "7:40", "start_time": "7:38", "text": "Taapsee also has a wedding planning business." }, { "end_time": "7:49", "start_time": "7:40", "text": "So she she's, I think they're all recognized that you need to be entrepreneurs outside of the film business because it's so fickle and because that landscape changes so quickly." }, { "end_time": "7:54", "start_time": "7:49", "text": "And because if you want to do it's it's funny how quality work is inversely proportionate to to actually income." }, { "end_time": "8:01", "start_time": "7:54", "text": "So if you really want to spend your time making movies with love and you wanna spend your time preparing for movies and you wanna do like one film in 2 years, then good luck." }, { "end_time": "8:03", "start_time": "8:01", "text": "The money is not because, you know, look at it." }, { "end_time": "8:05", "start_time": "8:03", "text": "It's there there, yes." }, { "end_time": "8:08", "start_time": "8:05", "text": "35 crores seems like a lot of money, but look at the lifestyles." }, { "end_time": "8:11", "start_time": "8:08", "text": "Look at the, you know, they all wanna have the fancy cars." }, { "end_time": "8:14", "start_time": "8:11", "text": "That's not gonna come out of, making one movie every 2 years." }, { "end_time": "8:14", "start_time": "8:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:17", "start_time": "8:14", "text": "You have to have, the additional the additional revenue streams." }, { "end_time": "8:20", "start_time": "8:17", "text": "I'm not sure what those are in a lot of their cases." }, { "end_time": "8:25", "start_time": "8:20", "text": "I mean, I I I've heard Aamir is investing in a lot of, in a lot of startups actually." }, { "end_time": "8:31", "start_time": "8:25", "text": "I know Ranath Daghupati is hugely involved in startups, but, but I don't have the details." }, { "end_time": "8:35", "start_time": "8:31", "text": "I mean, fortunately for me that that's an area I don't necessarily cover." }, { "end_time": "8:39", "start_time": "8:35", "text": "Are there a lot of unaddressed mental health issues in Bollywood flying around?" }, { "end_time": "8:40", "start_time": "8:39", "text": "I think there are." }, { "end_time": "8:41", "start_time": "8:40", "text": "There there there have to be." }, { "end_time": "8:41", "start_time": "8:41", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "8:48", "start_time": "8:41", "text": "Because it's just such a fragile fickle business that I can't imagine that people don't have insecurities." }, { "end_time": "8:54", "start_time": "8:48", "text": "And I can't claim to understand it very well, but you know, it's it's funny and I'm I'm I'm saying this literally for the first time." }, { "end_time": "8:56", "start_time": "8:54", "text": "I mean, I read Shaheen Bhatt's book." }, { "end_time": "8:56", "start_time": "8:56", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "8:59", "start_time": "8:57", "text": "That she wrote on, on That's Alia Bhatt's sister." }, { "end_time": "9:00", "start_time": "8:59", "text": "That's Alia's sister." }, { "end_time": "9:04", "start_time": "9:00", "text": "And, and she's someone who's spoken about her battle with depression." }, { "end_time": "9:10", "start_time": "9:04", "text": "And I read it because I was going to interview her and I was reading it and I could, I could relate to a lot of the symptoms." }, { "end_time": "9:16", "start_time": "9:10", "text": "And I'm like, gosh, I don't think of myself as someone who is depressed or who has mental issues, mental health issues." }, { "end_time": "9:26", "start_time": "9:17", "text": "But if someone like me who's who's seem who has a seemingly ordinary life, not the stakes that movie stars do, can relate to symptoms." }, { "end_time": "9:31", "start_time": "9:27", "text": "Can you imagine what, what some of these big, big stars are dealing with?" }, { "end_time": "9:41", "start_time": "9:31", "text": "I mean, every Friday or or or a couple of Fridays every year when they have movies coming out, your fate hangs in the balance because it's really true that that a Friday decides so much." }, { "end_time": "9:43", "start_time": "9:41", "text": "It really decides what where you're gonna be for the next year." }, { "end_time": "9:49", "start_time": "9:43", "text": "And now since these guys make only 1 or 2 films a year, you're you're kind of it there's just so much insecurity." }, { "end_time": "9:51", "start_time": "9:49", "text": "There is, there are new actors coming along." }, { "end_time": "9:52", "start_time": "9:51", "text": "And now it's not just new actors." }, { "end_time": "9:52", "start_time": "9:52", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "9:55", "start_time": "9:52", "text": "Now there's new, there's new areas." }, { "end_time": "9:58", "start_time": "9:55", "text": "I mean, look at look at how look at how popular YouTubers have become." }, { "end_time": "10:01", "start_time": "9:58", "text": "Look at how popular, the actors who are working on digital shows have become." }, { "end_time": "10:03", "start_time": "10:01", "text": "I mean, it has to have some, impact." }, { "end_time": "10:11", "start_time": "10:03", "text": "How do you realize when, I mean, when you're when a bunch of your films are flopping, you have to wonder whether people want to see you anymore." }, { "end_time": "10:15", "start_time": "10:11", "text": "Whether, you know, whether people whether you aren't you're you're relevant at all anymore." }, { "end_time": "10:22", "start_time": "10:15", "text": "I mean, those those things must play, you know, some role in in your I mean, you know, it must have some impact." }, { "end_time": "10:29", "start_time": "10:22", "text": "And I'm constantly wondering when I question myself so much, it must be it must be so much more, you know." }, { "end_time": "10:33", "start_time": "10:29", "text": "And that's why you hear of these stories of substance abuse and because people deal with it in different ways." }, { "end_time": "10:33", "start_time": "10:33", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "10:38", "start_time": "10:33", "text": "I mean, it takes a lot, and I know that it takes a lot to even admit that you have a problem." }, { "end_time": "10:39", "start_time": "10:38", "text": "And those are basic stuff." }, { "end_time": "10:48", "start_time": "10:39", "text": "You're like, you know, when you see a when you see someone who's a rival or a contemporary do really well, does it does it give do you not depressed, but do you do you feel low?" }, { "end_time": "10:52", "start_time": "10:49", "text": "Do you have moments which are really happy moments and you still feel low?" }, { "end_time": "10:57", "start_time": "10:52", "text": "I mean, I didn't even know that I didn't even know that those are symptoms, but they are and they could be." }, { "end_time": "11:00", "start_time": "10:57", "text": "And all of those things I'm sure, that, that they feel." }, { "end_time": "11:07", "start_time": "11:00", "text": "But I also think that today the conversation is getting louder with what Deepika is doing, with, you know, with Anushka speaking about it." }, { "end_time": "11:09", "start_time": "11:07", "text": "A lot of these guys are speaking about it." }, { "end_time": "11:17", "start_time": "11:09", "text": "And I think that, sometimes I see that the way that they get attacked for it because people don't also culturally and, you know, as a society, we don't understand something." }, { "end_time": "11:18", "start_time": "11:17", "text": "We tend to reject it." }, { "end_time": "11:20", "start_time": "11:18", "text": "We tend to make fun of it." }, { "end_time": "11:26", "start_time": "11:20", "text": "Which is sad because if you do that, more people are gonna be awkward about about talking about it." }, { "end_time": "11:29", "start_time": "11:26", "text": "And the only way you can deal deal with it is addressing it." }, { "end_time": "11:31", "start_time": "11:29", "text": "Also going to a shrink, going to a psychiatrist." }, { "end_time": "11:35", "start_time": "11:31", "text": "It's so, you know, in the west, it's it's such a matter of fact kind of thing." }, { "end_time": "11:35", "start_time": "11:35", "text": "I mean, everyone does it." }, { "end_time": "11:38", "start_time": "11:35", "text": "And with actors and stuff, it's like, it's almost a cliche." }, { "end_time": "11:41", "start_time": "11:38", "text": "Everyone has their own shrink on speed dial literally." }, { "end_time": "11:43", "start_time": "11:41", "text": "Over here, no one even talks about it." }, { "end_time": "11:50", "start_time": "11:43", "text": "I don't know I don't know if there are many that go, that that that that have, you know, that that visit psychiatrists and psychologists." }, { "end_time": "11:58", "start_time": "11:51", "text": "But I would imagine that there is a need just given how transitory, transient, how fickle this business is." }, { "end_time": "12:01", "start_time": "11:58", "text": "How it puts you on a pedestal at one moment and you're pulled off pretty soon." }, { "end_time": "12:07", "start_time": "12:02", "text": "How things change so fast, I would imagine that some professional help is not a bad not a bad idea." }, { "end_time": "12:10", "start_time": "12:07", "text": "And I and I and I'm I'm I'm I'm pretty sure some of them do seek that out." }, { "end_time": "12:14", "start_time": "12:10", "text": "What is one thing that your audience specifically doesn't know about the world of films?" }, { "end_time": "12:21", "start_time": "12:15", "text": "I think that, a lot of people feel that if you're a movie star, it's, it's a great easy life." }, { "end_time": "12:24", "start_time": "12:22", "text": "I don't think it's, I don't think so." }, { "end_time": "12:28", "start_time": "12:24", "text": "I think the bigger that you are, there's a lot of pressure on you." }, { "end_time": "12:38", "start_time": "12:28", "text": "I understand as I say this, that we're, you know, we're talking about movie stars who get really well paid, who get really, all the fanciest clothes and the fanciest, you know, gizmos and everything for free." }, { "end_time": "12:42", "start_time": "12:38", "text": "And it's almost a case of poor little rich guy, but it is." }, { "end_time": "12:44", "start_time": "12:42", "text": "It's really hard." }, { "end_time": "12:50", "start_time": "12:44", "text": "I'm not saying, oh, you know, so sad that there's of course there's a lot that compensates." }, { "end_time": "12:53", "start_time": "12:50", "text": "I don't think anything can compensate for the hard life." }, { "end_time": "12:55", "start_time": "12:53", "text": "But I do think that it's a hard life." }, { "end_time": "13:00", "start_time": "12:55", "text": "I think that's that they work really hard because the the pressure and I think it's much more today." }, { "end_time": "13:02", "start_time": "13:00", "text": "The pressure is much more today than it was a few years ago." }, { "end_time": "13:08", "start_time": "13:02", "text": "I think there's a lot of pressure, to stay in the game, to constantly make the right choices." }, { "end_time": "13:12", "start_time": "13:08", "text": "I mean, Ayushman Khurana today is probably the number one star in terms of the choices." }, { "end_time": "13:19", "start_time": "13:12", "text": "And I can't think of someone who has more pressure on them because he's now has the pressure to constantly make the right choices." }, { "end_time": "13:21", "start_time": "13:19", "text": "It must be terrifying." }, { "end_time": "13:31", "start_time": "13:21", "text": "You know, I remember Alia Bhatt talking about how when she had her first flop, Shandar, which came after a bunch of hits, she was devastated because it was her first flop." }, { "end_time": "13:34", "start_time": "13:31", "text": "And her father says, like, this is a good thing because now you've tasted it." }, { "end_time": "13:36", "start_time": "13:34", "text": "Now you won't be on your toes." }, { "end_time": "13:47", "start_time": "13:36", "text": "I mean, Ayushman must be I can't imagine what Ayushman must be like because, you know, you you don't want when you got this lucky streak and everyone's talking about it, you know, there's there's natural pressure and there's a pressure that people put on you." }, { "end_time": "13:49", "start_time": "13:47", "text": "And we're constantly this is the man with the golden touch." }, { "end_time": "13:50", "start_time": "13:49", "text": "This is the man with the golden gut." }, { "end_time": "13:52", "start_time": "13:50", "text": "This is the man who touches anything and it turns into gold." }, { "end_time": "13:53", "start_time": "13:52", "text": "And there will be one flop." }, { "end_time": "13:56", "start_time": "13:53", "text": "And suddenly everyone he's not he's not that special." }, { "end_time": "13:56", "start_time": "13:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:02", "start_time": "13:56", "text": "And that's a lot of pressure and we suddenly forget that, you know, he has made incredible choices and that could well be a great choice." }, { "end_time": "14:04", "start_time": "14:02", "text": "A film doesn't flop only because it's bad." }, { "end_time": "14:06", "start_time": "14:04", "text": "Films flop I mean, so many good films don't work." }, { "end_time": "14:08", "start_time": "14:06", "text": "So it could it could flop for whatever reason." }, { "end_time": "14:12", "start_time": "14:08", "text": "But the kind of pressure that someone which is the Shahrukh scenario, you know." }, { "end_time": "14:15", "start_time": "14:12", "text": "I mean, it it must be so hard being Shahrukh because Right." }, { "end_time": "14:20", "start_time": "14:15", "text": "You're the guy that everyone loves and you're wondering, but then why are they going why aren't they going and watching my movies?" }, { "end_time": "14:23", "start_time": "14:20", "text": "I mean, he just has to go out to his balcony to see how much they love him." }, { "end_time": "14:25", "start_time": "14:24", "text": "But why aren't they going to see my movies?" }, { "end_time": "14:28", "start_time": "14:25", "text": "It must you know, I I can't imagine what that must be like." }, { "end_time": "14:37", "start_time": "14:28", "text": "And and similarly, this whole conversation on nepotism, you know, I I and I've just come off the round table that we did and I saw Ananya get get mercilessly trolled." }, { "end_time": "14:43", "start_time": "14:37", "text": "And I just wanna say, I think a lot of people, the the the because you asked me what do a lot of people not know." }, { "end_time": "14:45", "start_time": "14:44", "text": "I think it is hard." }, { "end_time": "14:52", "start_time": "14:45", "text": "I think that even the guys who come from from from big names, you know, famous names do have their own struggle." }, { "end_time": "14:58", "start_time": "14:52", "text": "And, and maybe she didn't articulate it as well because she spoke about, her father not being on Koffee with Karan." }, { "end_time": "15:01", "start_time": "14:58", "text": "But I wanna say, you know, everyone has their own reality." }, { "end_time": "15:03", "start_time": "15:01", "text": "It it's not an equal world." }, { "end_time": "15:06", "start_time": "15:04", "text": "Your struggle and my struggle may not be the same." }, { "end_time": "15:07", "start_time": "15:06", "text": "Yours may be much more." }, { "end_time": "15:09", "start_time": "15:07", "text": "What do you seems trivial?" }, { "end_time": "15:10", "start_time": "15:09", "text": "My struggle might seem trivial." }, { "end_time": "15:13", "start_time": "15:10", "text": "My my my insecurities might seem trivial, but they're not to me." }, { "end_time": "15:14", "start_time": "15:13", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "15:20", "start_time": "15:14", "text": "It is and your struggle might seem trivial to the 3rd guy who's who's who who lost his entire family in a car crash." }, { "end_time": "15:21", "start_time": "15:20", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "15:22", "start_time": "15:21", "text": "Are you comparing it to them?" }, { "end_time": "15:23", "start_time": "15:22", "text": "Is your struggle less because he's gone through that?" }, { "end_time": "15:24", "start_time": "15:23", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "15:28", "start_time": "15:24", "text": "So I think the people have we are very, very quick to judge." }, { "end_time": "15:29", "start_time": "15:28", "text": "And I'm guilty of it." }, { "end_time": "15:32", "start_time": "15:29", "text": "I think we're all guilty of it in our in our level as well." }, { "end_time": "15:38", "start_time": "15:32", "text": "But I just feel like, some of these kids who have famous movie star parents and stuff, I mean, you know, cut them some slack." }, { "end_time": "15:38", "start_time": "15:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:41", "start_time": "15:39", "text": "Just wanna stand up a little bit for Ananya one day." }, { "end_time": "15:41", "start_time": "15:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:42", "start_time": "15:41", "text": "So she was my junior in school." }, { "end_time": "15:43", "start_time": "15:42", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "15:49", "start_time": "15:43", "text": "And the school was Durbanani International School, and the school has really given me more than I could have asked for." }, { "end_time": "15:50", "start_time": "15:49", "text": "It's mainly the person I am today in life." }, { "end_time": "16:00", "start_time": "15:51", "text": "In saying that, it was some of Bombay's, most elite families that send their kids to that school, including Shah Rukh's family, Safalingan's family." }, { "end_time": "16:00", "start_time": "16:00", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "16:01", "start_time": "16:00", "text": "So I grew up with Sadali Khan." }, { "end_time": "16:03", "start_time": "16:01", "text": "I grew up with Sachin Tendulkar's kids." }, { "end_time": "16:03", "start_time": "16:03", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "16:05", "start_time": "16:04", "text": "And I've been in that school." }, { "end_time": "16:08", "start_time": "16:05", "text": "I've been in her shoes, and I know what it's like growing up in that environment Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "16:11", "start_time": "16:09", "text": "Where say you're growing up with a superstar's kid." }, { "end_time": "16:12", "start_time": "16:11", "text": "Correct." }, { "end_time": "16:15", "start_time": "16:12", "text": "And you know, their parents are called on Koffi with Karan, your parents are not." }, { "end_time": "16:15", "start_time": "16:15", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "16:16", "start_time": "16:15", "text": "That is your reality." }, { "end_time": "16:17", "start_time": "16:16", "text": "That is your struggle." }, { "end_time": "16:18", "start_time": "16:17", "text": "It really is." }, { "end_time": "16:18", "start_time": "16:18", "text": "It it yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:21", "start_time": "16:18", "text": "And that's not something that audiences understand." }, { "end_time": "16:22", "start_time": "16:21", "text": "Like, people are very quick to judge." }, { "end_time": "16:25", "start_time": "16:22", "text": "They think that, oh, you know, you're the film stars person." }, { "end_time": "16:26", "start_time": "16:25", "text": "Correct." }, { "end_time": "16:29", "start_time": "16:26", "text": "Like, people make these stories about you in their head, which is very long." }, { "end_time": "16:30", "start_time": "16:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:33", "start_time": "16:30", "text": "Poor girl must be going through like a whole, you know, world of turmoil." }, { "end_time": "16:36", "start_time": "16:33", "text": "And even she's actually quite articulate and she's quite smart." }, { "end_time": "16:45", "start_time": "16:36", "text": "And in that episode, I I felt it was unfair because they they pulled out one little bit, which sounded okay, which sounded a little if you take it out of context, it sounds like, you know, a famous person complaining." }, { "end_time": "16:55", "start_time": "16:45", "text": "But if you actually listen to her throughout her take on privilege, I think she actually acknowledged it and I think she was, you know, she constantly spoke about the the work she feels she's she she needs to do as a result." }, { "end_time": "16:57", "start_time": "16:55", "text": "And I think that we're we're very quick to judge." }, { "end_time": "16:57", "start_time": "16:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:02", "start_time": "16:57", "text": "I'm also a fan of Sedan Chaturvedi in saying that I loved him in Inside Edge actually even more than Gully Boy." }, { "end_time": "17:02", "start_time": "17:02", "text": "Uh-huh." }, { "end_time": "17:05", "start_time": "17:02", "text": "Because he really convinced me he's playing that roller from a village." }, { "end_time": "17:08", "start_time": "17:06", "text": "What was the vibe between them after the interview?" }, { "end_time": "17:23", "start_time": "17:08", "text": "You know, can I tell you, at that interview, we didn't even realize I don't think anyone and I and I I certainly didn't realize that that was a snap trap kind of, you know, what the way it was pulled out and and and memes were made and and that and just that little bit?" }, { "end_time": "17:24", "start_time": "17:23", "text": "I think he said what he had to say." }, { "end_time": "17:25", "start_time": "17:24", "text": "She said what she had to say." }, { "end_time": "17:30", "start_time": "17:25", "text": "He said, I don't think he was responding in a in a manner in a manner to snap at her." }, { "end_time": "17:34", "start_time": "17:30", "text": "It makes for great TV and it makes it makes for great memes if you if you just isolate that." }, { "end_time": "17:36", "start_time": "17:34", "text": "I think what he says is you're right." }, { "end_time": "17:39", "start_time": "17:36", "text": "What he said is absolutely true and that's his reality." }, { "end_time": "17:39", "start_time": "17:39", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "17:43", "start_time": "17:39", "text": "But that doesn't mean that her reality is any lesser for her." }, { "end_time": "17:44", "start_time": "17:43", "text": "That's the life she's led." }, { "end_time": "17:45", "start_time": "17:44", "text": "It's not an equal world." }, { "end_time": "17:47", "start_time": "17:45", "text": "It's not a fair world." }, { "end_time": "17:57", "start_time": "17:47", "text": "Everyone is not, you know, you could you can have these conversations only if every if it's a fair world and everyone has the exact starting point and someone is complaining that, oh, but then sorry." }, { "end_time": "17:59", "start_time": "17:58", "text": "Only only merit will take you that far." }, { "end_time": "18:01", "start_time": "17:59", "text": "But we don't live in a perfect world." }, { "end_time": "18:02", "start_time": "18:01", "text": "We don't live in a fair world." }, { "end_time": "18:03", "start_time": "18:02", "text": "So the vibe was absolutely fine." }, { "end_time": "18:05", "start_time": "18:03", "text": "They're actually doing a movie together." }, { "end_time": "18:05", "start_time": "18:05", "text": "Mr." }, { "end_time": "18:07", "start_time": "18:05", "text": "Masan, your round tables are straight up fire." }, { "end_time": "18:08", "start_time": "18:07", "text": "I really enjoy doing them." }, { "end_time": "18:09", "start_time": "18:08", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "18:11", "start_time": "18:09", "text": "But what do people not know about them?" }, { "end_time": "18:14", "start_time": "18:14", "text": "I'll tell you." }, { "end_time": "18:20", "start_time": "18:14", "text": "I'm I'm glad you asked me this question because I've never again, I've never said this because I don't feel it's right for me to say it on my platforms." }, { "end_time": "18:26", "start_time": "18:21", "text": "When you when when people say, oh, this person wasn't them, you know, Rajeev Hrithik was not on the round table." }, { "end_time": "18:26", "start_time": "18:26", "text": "How could you not take Rithik?" }, { "end_time": "18:27", "start_time": "18:26", "text": "You hate Rithik." }, { "end_time": "18:28", "start_time": "18:27", "text": "You always get Rithik." }, { "end_time": "18:35", "start_time": "18:29", "text": "I'm not I I think it's disrespectful on my part to come out and respond to those questions and say, hey." }, { "end_time": "18:39", "start_time": "18:35", "text": "We tried to get Ritik Roshan, but his dates, we couldn't match." }, { "end_time": "18:42", "start_time": "18:39", "text": "If I say that, it's undermining those who were on the table." }, { "end_time": "18:49", "start_time": "18:42", "text": "But I wanna tell you, I promise you, we reach out to everyone who's been good in a film that year." }, { "end_time": "18:52", "start_time": "18:49", "text": "There's no limit on how many people we can have on the round table." }, { "end_time": "18:59", "start_time": "18:52", "text": "So if you see 5 and you think Hrithik Rashan is not on that round table because Rajeev didn't want him, that's bullshit." }, { "end_time": "19:10", "start_time": "18:59", "text": "We reached out to I promise you, we reached out to every single name that comes I mean, if you have a bizarre choice, I mean, if you're if you're talking about someone who doesn't deserve to be there, only you think that person gave a great performance, then that's different." }, { "end_time": "19:16", "start_time": "19:10", "text": "But, everyone who attacks me saying that you're biased and that's why you didn't put this one on and that's why you didn't no." }, { "end_time": "19:19", "start_time": "19:16", "text": "It's it's a monster to coordinate." }, { "end_time": "19:22", "start_time": "19:19", "text": "To get do you know what it takes to get 5 people on that?" }, { "end_time": "19:23", "start_time": "19:22", "text": "I mean, I I What does it take?" }, { "end_time": "19:24", "start_time": "19:23", "text": "Oh, god." }, { "end_time": "19:26", "start_time": "19:24", "text": "It takes it takes months of incessant calling." }, { "end_time": "19:30", "start_time": "19:26", "text": "It takes, you know, no one says no to to being on the round table." }, { "end_time": "19:37", "start_time": "19:30", "text": "I think most people are are happy to be honored because I think they see it as a as as a place where we have sincere conversations about the craft, about the business." }, { "end_time": "19:40", "start_time": "19:38", "text": "What is hard is coordinating everyone's dates together." }, { "end_time": "19:41", "start_time": "19:40", "text": "There are egos involved." }, { "end_time": "19:43", "start_time": "19:41", "text": "There are genuinely scheduling issues involved." }, { "end_time": "19:50", "start_time": "19:43", "text": "I mean, Vicky Kaushal was supposed to be on the round table, this year because, of course, he was incredible in Notion, but but he was in in, Russia shooting." }, { "end_time": "19:54", "start_time": "19:50", "text": "And he could only come back on the 28th December by by which then the round tables are done." }, { "end_time": "19:56", "start_time": "19:55", "text": "I couldn't wait." }, { "end_time": "19:58", "start_time": "19:56", "text": "It it's sometimes it's as simple as that." }, { "end_time": "20:05", "start_time": "19:58", "text": "As long my my point is as long as the other 5 who are on the table deserve to be there, don't question my integrity." }, { "end_time": "20:09", "start_time": "20:05", "text": "Did you feel like any of those people in that table didn't deserve to be there?" }, { "end_time": "20:09", "start_time": "20:09", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "20:12", "start_time": "20:09", "text": "You you think so and so also deserved to be there." }, { "end_time": "20:16", "start_time": "20:12", "text": "Then I promise you that person was not there because because we tried and we couldn't get that person there." }, { "end_time": "20:22", "start_time": "20:16", "text": "But every I just wanna say it's very easy to oh, this person you know, if you don't see your favorite actor, oh, Kareena wasn't there." }, { "end_time": "20:23", "start_time": "20:22", "text": "But Kareena's movie came out after." }, { "end_time": "20:28", "start_time": "20:23", "text": "We don't put an actor we don't invite an actor to table unless we've seen that film." }, { "end_time": "20:36", "start_time": "20:28", "text": "So Do you do you have like Bollywood parents calling you and telling you, Not not Bollywood parents." }, { "end_time": "20:37", "start_time": "20:36", "text": "There are PR people." }, { "end_time": "20:39", "start_time": "20:37", "text": "And and and it's hard sometimes." }, { "end_time": "20:40", "start_time": "20:39", "text": "And and you know, sometimes it's hard." }, { "end_time": "20:41", "start_time": "20:40", "text": "It's not just PR people, it's producers." }, { "end_time": "20:44", "start_time": "20:41", "text": "Sometimes it's actors who send you messages saying they want to be on it." }, { "end_time": "20:47", "start_time": "20:44", "text": "And it's it's very, very awkward because, How do you say no?" }, { "end_time": "20:49", "start_time": "20:48", "text": "It's it's it's hard, you know." }, { "end_time": "20:55", "start_time": "20:50", "text": "You just say like, I think you'll be I think you're gonna be better in in next year's film." }, { "end_time": "21:01", "start_time": "20:55", "text": "And you really have to be polite because, because everyone thinks they're great and they probably are good, but you really only have place for 5." }, { "end_time": "21:05", "start_time": "21:01", "text": "And you want to get your first choice, and you wanna get everyone who deserves to be there." }, { "end_time": "21:07", "start_time": "21:05", "text": "Actually, really, there is no I mean, it's not only place for 5." }, { "end_time": "21:09", "start_time": "21:07", "text": "We think of 5 as a benchmark." }, { "end_time": "21:10", "start_time": "21:09", "text": "I can't go below 5." }, { "end_time": "21:13", "start_time": "21:10", "text": "But we've had, I mean, we had we had 7 actresses last year." }, { "end_time": "21:15", "start_time": "21:13", "text": "I think we had 7 directors this year." }, { "end_time": "21:17", "start_time": "21:16", "text": "5 is what we like to hit." }, { "end_time": "21:23", "start_time": "21:18", "text": "And and more than that is if there is, I'll never I'll never not put an actor because we only have place for 5." }, { "end_time": "21:29", "start_time": "21:23", "text": "So are people, you know, the real version of themselves on camera or is it a show and then once the camera is off, they become a new person?" }, { "end_time": "21:29", "start_time": "21:29", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "21:34", "start_time": "21:29", "text": "I have to say, I think it'll be, you know, an hour and a half or whatever long we take to shoot." }, { "end_time": "21:38", "start_time": "21:34", "text": "It would be a lot of it would be you'd have to be a damn good actor if you're pretending for that long." }, { "end_time": "21:41", "start_time": "21:38", "text": "I think it it slips, you know, your who you are kind of slips at sometimes." }, { "end_time": "21:51", "start_time": "21:41", "text": "But I think that they recognize that on this on this roundtable, if you're pretending, you're not you're gonna people can see through it, because they're seeing you now in relation to others." }, { "end_time": "21:54", "start_time": "21:52", "text": "And I think that people that love you, love you for who you are." }, { "end_time": "21:56", "start_time": "21:54", "text": "So if you're not being yourself, people can see that." }, { "end_time": "22:00", "start_time": "21:56", "text": "I mean, I'm not gonna name this actor, but this is an actor that everyone loves." }, { "end_time": "22:03", "start_time": "22:00", "text": "But he was clearly, 2 years ago, I think it was." }, { "end_time": "22:04", "start_time": "22:03", "text": "And he or or yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:04", "start_time": "22:04", "text": "2 years ago." }, { "end_time": "22:11", "start_time": "22:04", "text": "And he was, he was being a he was being a he was trying to be a slightly more important version and that's not who he is." }, { "end_time": "22:20", "start_time": "22:11", "text": "He was trying to be, you know, he was trying to behave like, like, like another actor maybe, who's known for being a bit of a snotty kind of guy." }, { "end_time": "22:23", "start_time": "22:20", "text": "But that's his personality and people love him for that." }, { "end_time": "22:24", "start_time": "22:23", "text": "But people don't love you for this." }, { "end_time": "22:26", "start_time": "22:24", "text": "And the comments I read about people can see through it." }, { "end_time": "22:28", "start_time": "22:26", "text": "I think today, the viewers are so sharp." }, { "end_time": "22:31", "start_time": "22:28", "text": "They really can tell if you're if you're not being yourself." }, { "end_time": "22:35", "start_time": "22:31", "text": "So I think that being authentic and I think that the actors know that even better than us." }, { "end_time": "22:37", "start_time": "22:35", "text": "I think they've realized that you have to be who you are." }, { "end_time": "22:54", "start_time": "22:37", "text": "And sometimes that is that is Renee Singh who's bizarre and who walks in with a, you know, with a boom box and kind of intimidates almost if I'm Akshay Khanna, I think felt like a ton of bricks for me when Renee Singh walked in with, you know, in his funny hair and his costume and his and and the boom box and, like, an entourage of 20 people." }, { "end_time": "22:57", "start_time": "22:54", "text": "It was it was mad, but, but that's who he is." }, { "end_time": "23:01", "start_time": "22:57", "text": "And I think that once one sort of and and Akshay Khanna is is shy and quiet." }, { "end_time": "23:03", "start_time": "23:01", "text": "And everyone who's like, oh, Akshay Khanna look bored." }, { "end_time": "23:04", "start_time": "23:03", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "23:05", "start_time": "23:04", "text": "He is shy and quiet." }, { "end_time": "23:13", "start_time": "23:05", "text": "And perhaps, you know, in in a room full of people, he he's he's not as as social, as he would be 1 on 1." }, { "end_time": "23:14", "start_time": "23:13", "text": "But but that's who he is." }, { "end_time": "23:15", "start_time": "23:14", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "23:22", "start_time": "23:15", "text": "You know, unless you're like very spiritually advanced, I believe that every career has its, pros and its negatives." }, { "end_time": "23:22", "start_time": "23:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:26", "start_time": "23:22", "text": "So I wanna ask you about you specifically as a guy." }, { "end_time": "23:28", "start_time": "23:26", "text": "What do you not like about what you do?" }, { "end_time": "23:38", "start_time": "23:29", "text": "You know, I think that, I think if you've been watching films, as long as, as long as I have as a career and sometimes, sometimes it can get tiring." }, { "end_time": "23:42", "start_time": "23:39", "text": "It takes a little, it takes sometimes it sucks the joy out of it." }, { "end_time": "23:44", "start_time": "23:42", "text": "I mean, films are meant for entertainment, right?" }, { "end_time": "23:47", "start_time": "23:44", "text": "You go to watch a film because you want, because you like the trailer and because you wanna have a good time." }, { "end_time": "23:49", "start_time": "23:47", "text": "For me it's a job." }, { "end_time": "23:58", "start_time": "23:49", "text": "And sometimes, that could be because you watch a lot of bad films maybe at one go or, or the mind is somewhere else and you've got many other things going on." }, { "end_time": "24:02", "start_time": "23:58", "text": "Sometimes the joy of watching films, it starts to become a job." }, { "end_time": "24:07", "start_time": "24:02", "text": "And that's really sad because you shouldn't be you shouldn't be a film critic if you don't love it." }, { "end_time": "24:07", "start_time": "24:07", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "24:14", "start_time": "24:07", "text": "So so you have to kind of quickly calibrate yourself and you have to kind of maybe take some time off or or just, do something that you enjoy." }, { "end_time": "24:25", "start_time": "24:15", "text": "And And I think that social media is a I'm gonna as much as social media is a positive influence, I think it really can be can be very, very, intense and taxing and and judgmental." }, { "end_time": "24:42", "start_time": "24:25", "text": "And and sometimes that is what, you know, gone are those sweet days when you, when you wrote a review or you put up a review and an email would come or a letter would come, you know, now it's like also if people don't agree with you, the first comment is you must be paid or you must be you're biased." }, { "end_time": "24:46", "start_time": "24:42", "text": "There's no room for I thought differently, you thought differently." }, { "end_time": "24:48", "start_time": "24:47", "text": "This this is films." }, { "end_time": "24:49", "start_time": "24:48", "text": "This this is not maths." }, { "end_time": "24:52", "start_time": "24:49", "text": "Mathematics 2 plus 2 will always be 4." }, { "end_time": "24:54", "start_time": "24:53", "text": "Biryani, you might really love it." }, { "end_time": "24:55", "start_time": "24:54", "text": "I might not." }, { "end_time": "24:56", "start_time": "24:55", "text": "And it doesn't mean it's awful." }, { "end_time": "24:58", "start_time": "24:56", "text": "It just means we have different tastes." }, { "end_time": "24:58", "start_time": "24:58", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "25:00", "start_time": "24:59", "text": "But but people don't get that." }, { "end_time": "25:07", "start_time": "25:00", "text": "I think as a society, we we we just feel that if if we if everyone if someone doesn't agree with us, then they're wrong." }, { "end_time": "25:09", "start_time": "25:07", "text": "There is no right and wrong with films." }, { "end_time": "25:11", "start_time": "25:09", "text": "So I find that that quick judgmental nature." }, { "end_time": "25:16", "start_time": "25:11", "text": "You know, I'm almost after putting out a review, I'm almost like very I'm like, oh, God, now it's going to start." }, { "end_time": "25:22", "start_time": "25:16", "text": "And I'm like, on Fridays, Friday evenings, I don't check my I don't check my mentions because I don't want to." }, { "end_time": "25:24", "start_time": "25:22", "text": "I mean, I like I'll at least I need a day." }, { "end_time": "25:25", "start_time": "25:24", "text": "It's been a long day." }, { "end_time": "25:28", "start_time": "25:25", "text": "Watched a movie, came back, rotate, recorded it." }, { "end_time": "25:28", "start_time": "25:28", "text": "Now I need a day." }, { "end_time": "25:31", "start_time": "25:28", "text": "I can't also take the the brickbats the same day." }, { "end_time": "25:38", "start_time": "25:31", "text": "So sometimes it gets very intense and and and if it when you start to not love it, you really should kind of take some time off." }, { "end_time": "25:43", "start_time": "25:38", "text": "Or if you if you if you don't love it for a long period, maybe it's not maybe it's time to take a break." }, { "end_time": "25:45", "start_time": "25:43", "text": "And what's the biggest blessing of your life?" }, { "end_time": "25:54", "start_time": "25:47", "text": "You know, the really the opportunity to, to meet so many interesting people, the opportunity to travel so much." }, { "end_time": "25:55", "start_time": "25:54", "text": "I mean, I've covered the Oscars." }, { "end_time": "25:56", "start_time": "25:55", "text": "I've covered the Golden Globes." }, { "end_time": "26:00", "start_time": "25:56", "text": "I've, you know, I've I've met, I mean, I've met I've met my heroes." }, { "end_time": "26:01", "start_time": "26:00", "text": "I've met Spielberg." }, { "end_time": "26:03", "start_time": "26:01", "text": "I've met, James Cameron." }, { "end_time": "26:04", "start_time": "26:03", "text": "I've met Tom Cruise." }, { "end_time": "26:04", "start_time": "26:04", "text": "I've met Clooney." }, { "end_time": "26:06", "start_time": "26:04", "text": "I've met some of the most incredible actors." }, { "end_time": "26:10", "start_time": "26:06", "text": "I mean, just an opportunity to have a job which allows you to travel, watch movies for a living." }, { "end_time": "26:13", "start_time": "26:10", "text": "I mean, you know, most people wait for the weekend to go watch their movies." }, { "end_time": "26:17", "start_time": "26:13", "text": "I mean, I watch on a Monday morning, the job that I have to do is watch a movie." }, { "end_time": "26:24", "start_time": "26:17", "text": "It really is the best job in the world till it starts to not be if you, if you allow all of those things to get to you." }, { "end_time": "26:25", "start_time": "26:24", "text": "And I think that that's the other truth." }, { "end_time": "26:27", "start_time": "26:25", "text": "The truth is that there will always be cons." }, { "end_time": "26:29", "start_time": "26:27", "text": "It's about allowing them to get to you." }, { "end_time": "26:35", "start_time": "26:29", "text": "And and and on some days you wake up and you're really strong and you're able to disregard what people are saying." }, { "end_time": "26:39", "start_time": "26:35", "text": "And on some days you're feeling vulnerable and and and even the slightest thing will go block." }, { "end_time": "26:48", "start_time": "26:39", "text": "And, you know, the number of people I've blocked in the last couple of months, it's it's insane because I just I just feel like, you know, as you get older I mean, I just want pleasantness." }, { "end_time": "26:52", "start_time": "26:49", "text": "But you also have to accept that that's not the world." }, { "end_time": "26:53", "start_time": "26:52", "text": "The world is not pleasant." }, { "end_time": "26:53", "start_time": "26:53", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "27:02", "start_time": "26:53", "text": "People are and and and and you have to realize that you you know it in, you know, you know it in principle, you know, that all these people who are, who are abusing you, it's just their opinion." }, { "end_time": "27:05", "start_time": "27:02", "text": "They're probably sitting there, you know, they probably don't have great lives." }, { "end_time": "27:07", "start_time": "27:05", "text": "You know, all those things and it still affects you." }, { "end_time": "27:09", "start_time": "27:07", "text": "Can I just like tell you something?" }, { "end_time": "27:09", "start_time": "27:09", "text": "Please." }, { "end_time": "27:12", "start_time": "27:09", "text": "I want your advice here because you do it on a much larger scale." }, { "end_time": "27:15", "start_time": "27:12", "text": "I would imagine that you're getting feedback by the nanosecond." }, { "end_time": "27:17", "start_time": "27:15", "text": "How does I mean, please, how do you deal with it?" }, { "end_time": "27:23", "start_time": "27:17", "text": "I genuinely believe that it's easy in life to get the numbers and even possibly to become famous and to become successful." }, { "end_time": "27:26", "start_time": "27:23", "text": "It's difficult for humans in life to earn respect." }, { "end_time": "27:26", "start_time": "27:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:30", "start_time": "27:26", "text": "And I feel for the work you do because you're so genuine with your reviews, because you're so out there." }, { "end_time": "27:32", "start_time": "27:30", "text": "Like, you're authentic." }, { "end_time": "27:36", "start_time": "27:32", "text": "You've gained a lot of respect over the years from a whole section of this country." }, { "end_time": "27:37", "start_time": "27:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:42", "start_time": "27:37", "text": "So even if there are haters out there, like, I can tell you 90% of the people who listen to you respect you." }, { "end_time": "27:43", "start_time": "27:42", "text": "That's very kind." }, { "end_time": "27:48", "start_time": "27:43", "text": "And possibly even the haters, they're hating you out of the fact that they hate the fact that they respect you." }, { "end_time": "27:49", "start_time": "27:48", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "27:50", "start_time": "27:49", "text": "I actually try to engage with the haters." }, { "end_time": "27:55", "start_time": "27:50", "text": "That is my first you know, if you abuse, like, if you if you abuse then I tend to block." }, { "end_time": "28:00", "start_time": "27:55", "text": "But if you if you're even mean, but you're making a point, I'll engage." }, { "end_time": "28:04", "start_time": "28:00", "text": "And and most people tell me, like, you never respond to the people who are praising you." }, { "end_time": "28:05", "start_time": "28:04", "text": "You only respond to the guys who are attacking you." }, { "end_time": "28:12", "start_time": "28:05", "text": "I'd like to give you my opinion of where I came from and you're entirely you're entirely within your right to disregard it." }, { "end_time": "28:12", "start_time": "28:12", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "28:12", "start_time": "28:12", "text": "But I try." }, { "end_time": "28:22", "start_time": "28:12", "text": "I mean, the abuser the abuser if you're if you're just like, you know, if you're gonna wake up and and go, like, every morning, like, I'm not I'm not I don't have the energy to engage with them anymore." }, { "end_time": "28:22", "start_time": "28:22", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "28:23", "start_time": "28:22", "text": "That I can't deal with." }, { "end_time": "28:24", "start_time": "28:23", "text": "And that comes a lot." }, { "end_time": "28:24", "start_time": "28:24", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "28:24", "start_time": "28:24", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "28:30", "start_time": "28:24", "text": "I mean, I think it was difficult for me also in the first, initial phase of this YouTube journey to deal with it." }, { "end_time": "28:38", "start_time": "28:31", "text": "But I just figured over time that there is a concept called the concept of negative biases, which is that your human mind, the way it's built Correct." }, { "end_time": "28:40", "start_time": "28:38", "text": "There are 9 positive things happening in your life." }, { "end_time": "28:40", "start_time": "28:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:42", "start_time": "28:40", "text": "You'll go on the one That's so true." }, { "end_time": "28:42", "start_time": "28:42", "text": "Negative thing." }, { "end_time": "28:43", "start_time": "28:42", "text": "That's so true." }, { "end_time": "28:44", "start_time": "28:43", "text": "Which is true of the comment section as well." }, { "end_time": "28:45", "start_time": "28:44", "text": "That's absolutely true." }, { "end_time": "28:47", "start_time": "28:45", "text": "There's actually many good things happening Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:49", "start_time": "28:47", "text": "But you tend to focus on the on the stuff that yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:49", "start_time": "28:49", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "28:49", "start_time": "28:49", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "28:51", "start_time": "28:49", "text": "Which is all the respect that comes away." }, { "end_time": "28:52", "start_time": "28:51", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "29:01", "start_time": "28:52", "text": "And, like, I just wanna ask you one question to end this conversation, which is that a lot of YouTubers, and I'm talking from this side of the Sure." }, { "end_time": "29:07", "start_time": "29:01", "text": "Wall, definitely look at Bollywood, and they definitely wanna become what a Sedan Chaturvedi is becoming." }, { "end_time": "29:07", "start_time": "29:07", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "29:09", "start_time": "29:07", "text": "What, Varun Dhawan has become." }, { "end_time": "29:09", "start_time": "29:09", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "29:10", "start_time": "29:09", "text": "They eventually wanna become Shahrukh." }, { "end_time": "29:17", "start_time": "29:11", "text": "Do you see Bollywood casting the current top YouTubers You know, I'm gonna as mainstream people." }, { "end_time": "29:21", "start_time": "29:17", "text": "I'm gonna actually quote what Shahrukh Khan told me, because no one no one knows better than him." }, { "end_time": "29:22", "start_time": "29:21", "text": "You know, I asked him." }, { "end_time": "29:26", "start_time": "29:22", "text": "I said that I said Shahrukh, it feels like this generation of superstars, your generation of superstars." }, { "end_time": "29:31", "start_time": "29:26", "text": "The Aamir Shahrukh, Salman, Akshay Kumar is the last generation of superstars." }, { "end_time": "29:42", "start_time": "29:31", "text": "I mean, it doesn't even as big as Ranveer Singh and Varun Dhawan and Ranbir Kapoor and Tiger Shroff are, it doesn't feel like they've they they they have that level of superstardom and maybe they won't." }, { "end_time": "29:44", "start_time": "29:42", "text": "Maybe because times have changed." }, { "end_time": "29:48", "start_time": "29:45", "text": "It's just that that that level of that craze, that level of madness." }, { "end_time": "29:54", "start_time": "29:49", "text": "Also, you know, they they were superstars at a time when you didn't have access to superstars in the way that you do today." }, { "end_time": "29:58", "start_time": "29:55", "text": "They weren't on, social media at that time because social media didn't exist." }, { "end_time": "30:00", "start_time": "29:58", "text": "So you bought magazines and you put up posters." }, { "end_time": "30:02", "start_time": "30:00", "text": "I don't know if any people do that anymore." }, { "end_time": "30:09", "start_time": "30:02", "text": "And he said he said it's probably true, but he said that the next the next generation of superstars will not be from films." }, { "end_time": "30:11", "start_time": "30:09", "text": "He actually said he used the word and said it's in the interview." }, { "end_time": "30:20", "start_time": "30:11", "text": "He said there'll be YouTube superstars and there'll be social media superstars and there'll be superstars from areas that may not even may not even have been developed fully yet." }, { "end_time": "30:25", "start_time": "30:20", "text": "But he said it's possible and don't look only at films for the next generation's superstars." }, { "end_time": "30:27", "start_time": "30:26", "text": "Also the lines are blurring." }, { "end_time": "30:34", "start_time": "30:27", "text": "So, those, those superstars from non film areas might be co opted because Bollywood is quite shameless." }, { "end_time": "30:36", "start_time": "30:34", "text": "They will co they will take you from wherever you are." }, { "end_time": "30:37", "start_time": "30:36", "text": "If you can sell tickets, we'll have you." }, { "end_time": "30:43", "start_time": "30:37", "text": "You could have you could be a you could be a race car driver with a with a huge following and we'll incorporate you." }, { "end_time": "30:45", "start_time": "30:43", "text": "So I do think I actually and you're seeing it." }, { "end_time": "30:45", "start_time": "30:45", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "30:54", "start_time": "30:45", "text": "I mean, a lot of these, I mean, you know, they they they're now popping up in in smaller smaller roles, but a lot of the stand ups and a lot of the YouTubers are now, you know, getting, small roles." }, { "end_time": "30:56", "start_time": "30:54", "text": "But but most of them are playing themselves." }, { "end_time": "31:04", "start_time": "30:56", "text": "I think that what what Bollywood needs to become smart on is are you gonna use them as they are because they're so popular or are you gonna convert them into characters?" }, { "end_time": "31:08", "start_time": "31:04", "text": "And, you know, you see with someone like Bhuvan, you see with someone like, Prajakta." }, { "end_time": "31:10", "start_time": "31:08", "text": "I mean, they're creating characters." }, { "end_time": "31:12", "start_time": "31:10", "text": "You know, Bhuvan has 8, 9 characters." }, { "end_time": "31:13", "start_time": "31:12", "text": "So these guys are good actors." }, { "end_time": "31:19", "start_time": "31:13", "text": "It's just you just require someone smart to know how to utilize, these massive influencers." }, { "end_time": "31:26", "start_time": "31:20", "text": "And and I don't see why because already we're talking about how the only people buying tickets and going to the cinemas are young people." }, { "end_time": "31:33", "start_time": "31:26", "text": "Those are also the only guys who are on YouTube and and, you know, and and consuming all of this content and making superstars out of all of you." }, { "end_time": "31:36", "start_time": "31:33", "text": "So I actually do think that that that's probably what's gonna happen." }, { "end_time": "31:36", "start_time": "31:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:37", "start_time": "31:36", "text": "Why hasn't it happened till now?" }, { "end_time": "31:39", "start_time": "31:37", "text": "Why hasn't, like, a YouTube got a main new." }, { "end_time": "31:40", "start_time": "31:39", "text": "I think it's very new still." }, { "end_time": "31:43", "start_time": "31:40", "text": "You know, I think that I think our superstars are still around." }, { "end_time": "31:46", "start_time": "31:43", "text": "I mean, listen Shah Rukh, Amir and Salman are in their fifties and they're still there." }, { "end_time": "31:49", "start_time": "31:46", "text": "I mean, their films, some do well, some don't, but they're still very much there." }, { "end_time": "31:54", "start_time": "31:49", "text": "Ranveer and Ranbir and Varun and all are still trying to get into into that slot." }, { "end_time": "31:56", "start_time": "31:54", "text": "So the YouTubers will, you know, it's a it's cyclical." }, { "end_time": "31:58", "start_time": "31:57", "text": "It will come." }, { "end_time": "31:59", "start_time": "31:58", "text": "It's already starting to happen." }, { "end_time": "32:04", "start_time": "31:59", "text": "I mean, you know, you see Tanmay in a film, you see Rohan in a film, and you see Sumukhi in a film, and and it's happening." }, { "end_time": "32:10", "start_time": "32:05", "text": "And Bhuvan I believe is, you know, is is meeting people and has has CAE handling him and I mean, not CAE." }, { "end_time": "32:11", "start_time": "32:10", "text": "Sorry." }, { "end_time": "32:12", "start_time": "32:11", "text": "Kwan handling him." }, { "end_time": "32:13", "start_time": "32:12", "text": "What did you say?" }, { "end_time": "32:13", "start_time": "32:13", "text": "What did you say?" }, { "end_time": "32:14", "start_time": "32:13", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "32:14", "start_time": "32:14", "text": "Good." }, { "end_time": "32:15", "start_time": "32:14", "text": "Kwan handling him." }, { "end_time": "32:17", "start_time": "32:15", "text": "They used to be CA Kwan, so I made that mistake." }, { "end_time": "32:20", "start_time": "32:17", "text": "But, it's it's just a matter of time." }, { "end_time": "32:21", "start_time": "32:20", "text": "It's really just a matter of time." }, { "end_time": "32:22", "start_time": "32:21", "text": "It's all very new." }, { "end_time": "32:27", "start_time": "32:22", "text": "And and Bollywood, the, you know, the the creators need to start sort of thinking differently." }, { "end_time": "32:27", "start_time": "32:27", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "32:28", "start_time": "32:27", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "32:29", "start_time": "32:28", "text": "Mister Rajeev Masam Thank you." }, { "end_time": "32:30", "start_time": "32:29", "text": "I really enjoyed this interview." }, { "end_time": "32:30", "start_time": "32:30", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "32:31", "start_time": "32:30", "text": "I'm glad." }, { "end_time": "32:32", "start_time": "32:31", "text": "Thank you so much." }, { "end_time": "32:34", "start_time": "32:32", "text": "I'm gonna be linking all of sir's handles down below." }, { "end_time": "32:35", "start_time": "32:34", "text": "Make sure you check it out." }, { "end_time": "32:36", "start_time": "32:35", "text": "Make sure you subscribe." }, { "end_time": "32:38", "start_time": "32:36", "text": "Follow and show some respect." }, { "end_time": "32:40", "start_time": "32:38", "text": "Be the 9 out of 10." }, { "end_time": "32:40", "start_time": "32:40", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "32:41", "start_time": "32:40", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "32:41", "start_time": "32:41", "text": "Thanks so much." }, { "end_time": "32:42", "start_time": "32:41", "text": "See you guys." }, { "end_time": "32:42", "start_time": "32:42", "text": "Thank you." } ] }

[ { "content": "**Task Description:** \nYou are provided with a YouTube video transcript in JSON format, where each entry is synchronized with its respective timestamp. This transcript contains the spoken text along with its start and end times. Your objective is to generate high-quality, chapter-wise segments that accurately represent key points or transitions within the video.\n\n**Transcript JSON Format:** \nThe transcript is formatted as a list of dictionaries, where each dictionary represents a spoken sentence, including its text and corresponding start and end times.\n\n**Example Transcript:** \n```json\n[\n {\n \"text\": \"The narrative in the public eye is that you left working with the Modi government because your opinions weren't heard.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:07\"\n },\n {\n \"text\": \"I want to know your side of the story.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:08\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:10\"\n },\n ...\n]\n```\n\n**Your Task:** \nUsing the given transcript, generate a JSON output that breaks down the video into meaningful chapters. Each chapter should encapsulate a key segment of the video and be accompanied by a concise, informative title that reflects the essence of that segment.\n\n**Chapter JSON Format:** \nThe output should follow this structure:\n```json\n{\n \"chapters\": [\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"title\": \"Introduction and Opening Remarks\"\n },\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:07\",\n \"title\": \"Discussing the Exit from Modi Government\"\n },\n ...\n ]\n}\n```\n\n**Requirements:** \n1. **Identify Key Segments:** Extract significant portions of the transcript that represent shifts in topic, important discussions, or transitions in conversation.\n2. **Craft Informative Titles:** Each chapter title should be clear, engaging, and directly related to the content covered in that segment.\n3. **Preserve Time Stamps:** Ensure that each chapter's `start_time` corresponds to the first instance of a key topic or segment in the transcript.\n4. **Conciseness is Key:** While titles should be descriptive, avoid making them overly lengthy. Aim for a balance between informativeness and brevity.", "role": "system" }, { "content": "{'transcripts': array([{'end_time': '0:09', 'start_time': '0:00', 'text': \"Honestly believe that there's no other industry in the country that's as impactful as the industry that we call Bollywood or Indian films.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:15', 'start_time': '0:09', 'text': 'Now imagine dedicating your entire life to one industry, studying it inside out every single week, every single day actually.'},\n {'end_time': '0:17', 'start_time': '0:16', 'text': \"That's Rajeev Masan for you.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:19', 'start_time': '0:17', 'text': 'Also super articulate guy.'},\n {'end_time': '0:23', 'start_time': '0:20', 'text': 'He can talk about his thoughts really, really well.'},\n {'end_time': '0:25', 'start_time': '0:23', 'text': \"But of course, it's the Ranveer show.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:28', 'start_time': '0:25', 'text': \"And if we're talking about Bollywood, we're not just talking about the business of Bollywood.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:32', 'start_time': '0:28', 'text': \"We're also talking about the gossipy side of Bollywood, the dark side of Bollywood.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:36', 'start_time': '0:32', 'text': \"But I promise you, it's all from an intellectual perspective.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:37', 'start_time': '0:36', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '0:44', 'start_time': '0:37', 'text': 'Gossip, darkness and intellectual conversation can be put in the same 30 minutes or so.'},\n {'end_time': '0:52', 'start_time': '0:44', 'text': 'Hope you enjoy this 30 minute podcast with one of the most learned men when it comes to the world of modern Bollywood, Rajeev Masan.'},\n {'end_time': '0:54', 'start_time': '0:52', 'text': 'Lots to learn in this podcast.'},\n {'end_time': '1:04', 'start_time': '1:02', 'text': 'Welcome to another episode of the Renvie Show.'},\n {'end_time': '1:11', 'start_time': '1:04', 'text': \"This one's gonna be smart, intellectual, articulate because we got all these words personified, mister Rajeev Masandhi.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:11', 'start_time': '1:11', 'text': 'Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '1:12', 'start_time': '1:11', 'text': \"You're making very big promises.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:14', 'start_time': '1:12', 'text': 'I hope we can live up to them.'},\n {'end_time': '1:14', 'start_time': '1:14', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '1:18', 'start_time': '1:14', 'text': \"It's you're you're one of the most fiery brains in the business and that's why I'm gonna ask you.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:19', 'start_time': '1:18', 'text': 'Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '1:21', 'start_time': '1:19', 'text': 'Three quick pieces of Bollywood gossip.'},\n {'end_time': '1:26', 'start_time': '1:24', 'text': 'Without without without taking names.'},\n {'end_time': '1:27', 'start_time': '1:26', 'text': 'Oh dear.'},\n {'end_time': '1:28', 'start_time': '1:27', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '1:41', 'start_time': '1:28', 'text': 'I know that a particular actor is really angry with his co star because his co star has suddenly, has recently spoken about, kind of disowned the film by pointing to historical inaccuracies in the film.'},\n {'end_time': '1:46', 'start_time': '1:42', 'text': 'And and the cost and the and the the producer actors really mad at him.'},\n {'end_time': '1:46', 'start_time': '1:46', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '2:05', 'start_time': '1:47', 'text': 'I know there are certain actress who, was trying to avoid her ex at a certain event, was only half successful because they were in the room at the same time and it got awkward because the other actor was with his family.'},\n {'end_time': '2:06', 'start_time': '2:05', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '2:07', 'start_time': '2:06', 'text': 'And one more.'},\n {'end_time': '2:08', 'start_time': '2:07', 'text': 'This is hard, man.'},\n {'end_time': '2:11', 'start_time': '2:09', 'text': \"I know that there's serious problem.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:14', 'start_time': '2:11', 'text': \"There's serious monetary problem on a film that everyone's really looking forward to.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:19', 'start_time': '2:14', 'text': \"It's supposed to be the big one that's gonna come out, but there's a there's a huge financial problem there.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:22', 'start_time': '2:19', 'text': \"They might be running out of budget because they've been shooting for so long.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:23', 'start_time': '2:22', 'text': 'Oh, wow.'},\n {'end_time': '2:23', 'start_time': '2:23', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '2:24', 'start_time': '2:23', 'text': 'Cool.'},\n {'end_time': '2:26', 'start_time': '2:24', 'text': 'My next question to you, mister Rajeev Masan.'},\n {'end_time': '2:31', 'start_time': '2:27', 'text': \"Because you're from this industry, it's your job to study this industry a lot.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:33', 'start_time': '2:31', 'text': \"So it's gonna be straight up difficult question to you.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:33', 'start_time': '2:33', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '2:36', 'start_time': '2:33', 'text': \"What's Shah Rukh Khan done wrong in the last 5, 6 years?\"},\n {'end_time': '2:44', 'start_time': '2:36', 'text': 'You know, I think he became, I think first, I wanna say that I think that he has taken risks.'},\n {'end_time': '2:46', 'start_time': '2:44', 'text': 'I think I think 0 was a huge risk.'},\n {'end_time': '2:49', 'start_time': '2:46', 'text': 'I think there was there was it it came from a place of trying something really brave.'},\n {'end_time': '2:54', 'start_time': '2:49', 'text': 'I think it felt like Phan was extraordinary, in terms of what he wanted to do.'},\n {'end_time': '3:00', 'start_time': '2:54', 'text': \"I think what he's been unable to to to to shake off is to play Shahrukh Khan over and over again.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:03', 'start_time': '3:00', 'text': \"Even when he's playing a dwarf, he's playing Shahrukh the dwarf.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:05', 'start_time': '3:03', 'text': \"He's not playing that dwarf.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:07', 'start_time': '3:05', 'text': \"He's playing Shahrukh the the little person.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:11', 'start_time': '3:07', 'text': \"He's playing Shahrukh the, the socially awkward, whatever, in fan.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:18', 'start_time': '3:12', 'text': 'Which is why in fan, for me, the character that stood out was actually the film star because I thought that that he played really interestingly.'},\n {'end_time': '3:23', 'start_time': '3:18', 'text': 'And he was playing a version of himself, but but that one really bristled because because he was playing him darker.'},\n {'end_time': '3:27', 'start_time': '3:23', 'text': \"He was playing him as as someone who's who's dances at weddings for money.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:34', 'start_time': '3:27', 'text': \"Who's who's, who's not all, you know, who's not the who's not the movie star that we that we see in on on hoardings, but but he's the real movie star.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:40', 'start_time': '3:34', 'text': 'So I think the problem is that he needs to completely let go of of Shah Rukh Khan.'},\n {'end_time': '3:42', 'start_time': '3:40', 'text': \"And, and he's a fine actor.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:43', 'start_time': '3:42', 'text': \"It's there.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:47', 'start_time': '3:43', 'text': 'I think he needs to work with directors who are not overwhelmed by him.'},\n {'end_time': '3:49', 'start_time': '3:47', 'text': 'I think he needs to let go of control.'},\n {'end_time': '3:58', 'start_time': '3:49', 'text': \"And I think that's very hard when you're a massive superstar because you really do understand the business and you understand your fans and you think you understand what the world wants better than even your filmmakers.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:59', 'start_time': '3:58', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '4:03', 'start_time': '3:59', 'text': 'But I think that the only way to completely submit is to give up control.'},\n {'end_time': '4:06', 'start_time': '4:03', 'text': \"Trust a filmmaker, trust a story and say that I like this and that's why I wanna do it.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:07', 'start_time': '4:06', 'text': \"And I think he's done that.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:13', 'start_time': '4:07', 'text': \"But very often what he's done is he loves he loves Anand Rai's story, but he will come in as as producer and take charge of a lot of things.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:13', 'start_time': '4:13', 'text': \"Don't.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:15', 'start_time': '4:13', 'text': \"Let let it be Anand Rai's aesthetic.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:17', 'start_time': '4:15', 'text': \"Let it be Shujit Sarkar's aesthetic.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:19', 'start_time': '4:17', 'text': \"Let it be Imtiaz Ali's aesthetic.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:22', 'start_time': '4:19', 'text': 'I think that he allows too much of Shahrukh to creep in.'},\n {'end_time': '4:23', 'start_time': '4:22', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '4:25', 'start_time': '4:23', 'text': \"But I still think that he's the bravest of them all.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:30', 'start_time': '4:25', 'text': \"I think he's taking more leaps and and and and, you know, he's taking more chances than than most of the others are.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:32', 'start_time': '4:30', 'text': \"He's also the most charming of them all.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:38', 'start_time': '4:32', 'text': \"So that's why even if he has only flop films from here on, he's still gonna be loved and respected by That's the thing.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:39', 'start_time': '4:38', 'text': \"I think he's just really charming.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:44', 'start_time': '4:39', 'text': \"It's imp I'll I'll tell you from my I'm not name dropping, but there's 2 people in the world.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:49', 'start_time': '4:44', 'text': \"And I'm saying world because it's 2 different you know, there are who are exactly the same personality wise, and I met them.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:50', 'start_time': '4:49', 'text': 'One is Shah Rukh and the other is Tom Cruise.'},\n {'end_time': '4:51', 'start_time': '4:50', 'text': \"I've met Tom Cruise.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:53', 'start_time': '4:51', 'text': \"And I'm I cannot tell you how similar they are.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:56', 'start_time': '4:53', 'text': \"When you're with them, they charm the pants off you.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:59', 'start_time': '4:57', 'text': \"I've been in a room with Tom Cruise for like 8 minutes.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:02', 'start_time': '4:59', 'text': \"I mean, you know, you've been on junkets, so you know how these things are really short.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:06', 'start_time': '5:02', 'text': \"In those 8 minutes, I felt like I'm the most important person in his life.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:09', 'start_time': '5:06', 'text': 'And that is that is exactly the quality that Shahrukh has.'},\n {'end_time': '5:11', 'start_time': '5:09', 'text': \"When they're with you and Shahrukh makes you wait, man.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:16', 'start_time': '5:11', 'text': \"Like, I mean, you know, by the time you're it's your turn to to go into a meeting or an interview with Shahrukh, 4 hours have passed or whatever.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:17', 'start_time': '5:16', 'text': \"So you're exhausted.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:27', 'start_time': '5:17', 'text': \"But that half hour, one hour that you spend with Sharuk, you walk out feeling like you're the most important person in his life, in the world because they really know how to, make you feel good.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:30', 'start_time': '5:27', 'text': 'They really, they, they really know, you know, they, they know how to talk to people.'},\n {'end_time': '5:32', 'start_time': '5:30', 'text': 'And Tom Cruise is exactly like that.'},\n {'end_time': '5:34', 'start_time': '5:32', 'text': \"And I think that that's why they have the enduring, the both of them.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:41', 'start_time': '5:34', 'text': \"I mean, there have been spades of, you know, there have been huge chunks in Tom Cruise's career where films didn't work, where he didn't have major releases.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:47', 'start_time': '5:41', 'text': \"But he's still considered one of the biggest superstars in the world because of that enduring quality.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:48', 'start_time': '5:47', 'text': 'He has that.'},\n {'end_time': '5:50', 'start_time': '5:48', 'text': \"Even when the films don't work, you don't forget him.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:55', 'start_time': '5:50', 'text': \"I mean, he's he's had such a huge impact on the cultural footprint really as as has Farooq.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:56', 'start_time': '5:55', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '5:59', 'start_time': '5:56', 'text': 'I also wanna ask you a little bit about the business of Bollywood.'},\n {'end_time': '6:02', 'start_time': '6:00', 'text': \"Now these top actors, everyone's becoming a producer.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:07', 'start_time': '6:02', 'text': \"What I think a lot of the audiences don't know is that actors have a lot of businesses outside of films as well.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:07', 'start_time': '6:07', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '6:14', 'start_time': '6:07', 'text': 'So, could you, like, kind of just very fast break down the whole, revenue stream model of all these actors?'},\n {'end_time': '6:15', 'start_time': '6:14', 'text': \"Like, what's happening in the modern day?\"},\n {'end_time': '6:15', 'start_time': '6:15', 'text': 'Day?'},\n {'end_time': '6:16', 'start_time': '6:15', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '6:22', 'start_time': '6:16', 'text': \"All of them have, have other interests because I constantly, you know, constantly hearing about how films actually don't pay as much money.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:36', 'start_time': '6:22', 'text': \"And it probably is true because given the amount of time they spend working on a film, it's not even if, even if you're Akshay, Unless you're Akshay Kumar who makes 5 films in a year and who charges like 30 plus crores and every unless but but most of the other stars don't want to do that.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:38', 'start_time': '6:36', 'text': 'Aamir Khan does 1 film in 3 years and 1 film in 2 years.'},\n {'end_time': '6:43', 'start_time': '6:38', 'text': 'And whatever he gets paid is not, is not commensurate to what you could be making if you were doing other things.'},\n {'end_time': '6:45', 'start_time': '6:43', 'text': 'So I think that they make all their money.'},\n {'end_time': '6:47', 'start_time': '6:45', 'text': 'The real money comes from other things.'},\n {'end_time': '6:48', 'start_time': '6:47', 'text': 'You know, you know, I remember meeting sorry.'},\n {'end_time': '6:49', 'start_time': '6:48', 'text': 'Again, dropping names.'},\n {'end_time': '6:50', 'start_time': '6:49', 'text': 'Ryan Reynolds.'},\n {'end_time': '6:53', 'start_time': '6:50', 'text': 'You know, I I remember meeting Ryan Reynolds when when when he was doing Deadpool.'},\n {'end_time': '6:55', 'start_time': '6:53', 'text': 'And he said, you make movies for love.'},\n {'end_time': '6:57', 'start_time': '6:55', 'text': 'You get paid for the marketing.'},\n {'end_time': '6:58', 'start_time': '6:57', 'text': \"Because half the time they're they're promoting films.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:00', 'start_time': '6:58', 'text': \"He said, that's the part that you don't really enjoy.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:00', 'start_time': '7:00', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '7:01', 'start_time': '7:00', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '7:01', 'start_time': '7:01', 'text': 'Plugging a film.'},\n {'end_time': '7:02', 'start_time': '7:01', 'text': \"And I think that's true.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:07', 'start_time': '7:02', 'text': \"In in the case of Bollywood Stars, it's the ads, it's the appearances, it's the other businesses.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:10', 'start_time': '7:07', 'text': 'I mean, each of them have, you know, multiple businesses.'},\n {'end_time': '7:11', 'start_time': '7:10', 'text': 'Are you familiar with who has what?'},\n {'end_time': '7:13', 'start_time': '7:12', 'text': 'You know, I have to say no.'},\n {'end_time': '7:13', 'start_time': '7:13', 'text': \"I don't.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:14', 'start_time': '7:13', 'text': \"I'm not.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:18', 'start_time': '7:14', 'text': \"I mean, Shah Rukh, of course, has a production company, but I'm I'm sure that's one of other businesses.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:21', 'start_time': '7:18', 'text': \"I'm sure they're all heavily invested in, in in, real estate.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:29', 'start_time': '7:21', 'text': \"I'm sure that they have, you know, the joke about Akshay Kumar used to be that when you walk into Toronto and Akshay Kumar owns half of Toronto because he's got so much property.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:30', 'start_time': '7:29', 'text': \"But but I'm not.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:33', 'start_time': '7:30', 'text': 'I have to say very honestly, I could, I mean, you know, you know of some.'},\n {'end_time': '7:38', 'start_time': '7:33', 'text': 'Like, you know, Abhishek has a stake in a in a in a sports company and you know that, Taapsee has a stake.'},\n {'end_time': '7:40', 'start_time': '7:38', 'text': 'Taapsee also has a wedding planning business.'},\n {'end_time': '7:49', 'start_time': '7:40', 'text': \"So she she's, I think they're all recognized that you need to be entrepreneurs outside of the film business because it's so fickle and because that landscape changes so quickly.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:54', 'start_time': '7:49', 'text': \"And because if you want to do it's it's funny how quality work is inversely proportionate to to actually income.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:01', 'start_time': '7:54', 'text': 'So if you really want to spend your time making movies with love and you wanna spend your time preparing for movies and you wanna do like one film in 2 years, then good luck.'},\n {'end_time': '8:03', 'start_time': '8:01', 'text': 'The money is not because, you know, look at it.'},\n {'end_time': '8:05', 'start_time': '8:03', 'text': \"It's there there, yes.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:08', 'start_time': '8:05', 'text': '35 crores seems like a lot of money, but look at the lifestyles.'},\n {'end_time': '8:11', 'start_time': '8:08', 'text': 'Look at the, you know, they all wanna have the fancy cars.'},\n {'end_time': '8:14', 'start_time': '8:11', 'text': \"That's not gonna come out of, making one movie every 2 years.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:14', 'start_time': '8:14', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '8:17', 'start_time': '8:14', 'text': 'You have to have, the additional the additional revenue streams.'},\n {'end_time': '8:20', 'start_time': '8:17', 'text': \"I'm not sure what those are in a lot of their cases.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:25', 'start_time': '8:20', 'text': \"I mean, I I I've heard Aamir is investing in a lot of, in a lot of startups actually.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:31', 'start_time': '8:25', 'text': \"I know Ranath Daghupati is hugely involved in startups, but, but I don't have the details.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:35', 'start_time': '8:31', 'text': \"I mean, fortunately for me that that's an area I don't necessarily cover.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:39', 'start_time': '8:35', 'text': 'Are there a lot of unaddressed mental health issues in Bollywood flying around?'},\n {'end_time': '8:40', 'start_time': '8:39', 'text': 'I think there are.'},\n {'end_time': '8:41', 'start_time': '8:40', 'text': 'There there there have to be.'},\n {'end_time': '8:41', 'start_time': '8:41', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '8:48', 'start_time': '8:41', 'text': \"Because it's just such a fragile fickle business that I can't imagine that people don't have insecurities.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:54', 'start_time': '8:48', 'text': \"And I can't claim to understand it very well, but you know, it's it's funny and I'm I'm I'm saying this literally for the first time.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:56', 'start_time': '8:54', 'text': \"I mean, I read Shaheen Bhatt's book.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:56', 'start_time': '8:56', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '8:59', 'start_time': '8:57', 'text': \"That she wrote on, on That's Alia Bhatt's sister.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:00', 'start_time': '8:59', 'text': \"That's Alia's sister.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:04', 'start_time': '9:00', 'text': \"And, and she's someone who's spoken about her battle with depression.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:10', 'start_time': '9:04', 'text': 'And I read it because I was going to interview her and I was reading it and I could, I could relate to a lot of the symptoms.'},\n {'end_time': '9:16', 'start_time': '9:10', 'text': \"And I'm like, gosh, I don't think of myself as someone who is depressed or who has mental issues, mental health issues.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:26', 'start_time': '9:17', 'text': \"But if someone like me who's who's seem who has a seemingly ordinary life, not the stakes that movie stars do, can relate to symptoms.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:31', 'start_time': '9:27', 'text': 'Can you imagine what, what some of these big, big stars are dealing with?'},\n {'end_time': '9:41', 'start_time': '9:31', 'text': \"I mean, every Friday or or or a couple of Fridays every year when they have movies coming out, your fate hangs in the balance because it's really true that that a Friday decides so much.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:43', 'start_time': '9:41', 'text': \"It really decides what where you're gonna be for the next year.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:49', 'start_time': '9:43', 'text': \"And now since these guys make only 1 or 2 films a year, you're you're kind of it there's just so much insecurity.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:51', 'start_time': '9:49', 'text': 'There is, there are new actors coming along.'},\n {'end_time': '9:52', 'start_time': '9:51', 'text': \"And now it's not just new actors.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:52', 'start_time': '9:52', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '9:55', 'start_time': '9:52', 'text': \"Now there's new, there's new areas.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:58', 'start_time': '9:55', 'text': 'I mean, look at look at how look at how popular YouTubers have become.'},\n {'end_time': '10:01', 'start_time': '9:58', 'text': 'Look at how popular, the actors who are working on digital shows have become.'},\n {'end_time': '10:03', 'start_time': '10:01', 'text': 'I mean, it has to have some, impact.'},\n {'end_time': '10:11', 'start_time': '10:03', 'text': \"How do you realize when, I mean, when you're when a bunch of your films are flopping, you have to wonder whether people want to see you anymore.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:15', 'start_time': '10:11', 'text': \"Whether, you know, whether people whether you aren't you're you're relevant at all anymore.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:22', 'start_time': '10:15', 'text': 'I mean, those those things must play, you know, some role in in your I mean, you know, it must have some impact.'},\n {'end_time': '10:29', 'start_time': '10:22', 'text': \"And I'm constantly wondering when I question myself so much, it must be it must be so much more, you know.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:33', 'start_time': '10:29', 'text': \"And that's why you hear of these stories of substance abuse and because people deal with it in different ways.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:33', 'start_time': '10:33', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '10:38', 'start_time': '10:33', 'text': 'I mean, it takes a lot, and I know that it takes a lot to even admit that you have a problem.'},\n {'end_time': '10:39', 'start_time': '10:38', 'text': 'And those are basic stuff.'},\n {'end_time': '10:48', 'start_time': '10:39', 'text': \"You're like, you know, when you see a when you see someone who's a rival or a contemporary do really well, does it does it give do you not depressed, but do you do you feel low?\"},\n {'end_time': '10:52', 'start_time': '10:49', 'text': 'Do you have moments which are really happy moments and you still feel low?'},\n {'end_time': '10:57', 'start_time': '10:52', 'text': \"I mean, I didn't even know that I didn't even know that those are symptoms, but they are and they could be.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:00', 'start_time': '10:57', 'text': \"And all of those things I'm sure, that, that they feel.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:07', 'start_time': '11:00', 'text': 'But I also think that today the conversation is getting louder with what Deepika is doing, with, you know, with Anushka speaking about it.'},\n {'end_time': '11:09', 'start_time': '11:07', 'text': 'A lot of these guys are speaking about it.'},\n {'end_time': '11:17', 'start_time': '11:09', 'text': \"And I think that, sometimes I see that the way that they get attacked for it because people don't also culturally and, you know, as a society, we don't understand something.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:18', 'start_time': '11:17', 'text': 'We tend to reject it.'},\n {'end_time': '11:20', 'start_time': '11:18', 'text': 'We tend to make fun of it.'},\n {'end_time': '11:26', 'start_time': '11:20', 'text': 'Which is sad because if you do that, more people are gonna be awkward about about talking about it.'},\n {'end_time': '11:29', 'start_time': '11:26', 'text': 'And the only way you can deal deal with it is addressing it.'},\n {'end_time': '11:31', 'start_time': '11:29', 'text': 'Also going to a shrink, going to a psychiatrist.'},\n {'end_time': '11:35', 'start_time': '11:31', 'text': \"It's so, you know, in the west, it's it's such a matter of fact kind of thing.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:35', 'start_time': '11:35', 'text': 'I mean, everyone does it.'},\n {'end_time': '11:38', 'start_time': '11:35', 'text': \"And with actors and stuff, it's like, it's almost a cliche.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:41', 'start_time': '11:38', 'text': 'Everyone has their own shrink on speed dial literally.'},\n {'end_time': '11:43', 'start_time': '11:41', 'text': 'Over here, no one even talks about it.'},\n {'end_time': '11:50', 'start_time': '11:43', 'text': \"I don't know I don't know if there are many that go, that that that that have, you know, that that visit psychiatrists and psychologists.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:58', 'start_time': '11:51', 'text': 'But I would imagine that there is a need just given how transitory, transient, how fickle this business is.'},\n {'end_time': '12:01', 'start_time': '11:58', 'text': \"How it puts you on a pedestal at one moment and you're pulled off pretty soon.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:07', 'start_time': '12:02', 'text': 'How things change so fast, I would imagine that some professional help is not a bad not a bad idea.'},\n {'end_time': '12:10', 'start_time': '12:07', 'text': \"And I and I and I'm I'm I'm I'm pretty sure some of them do seek that out.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:14', 'start_time': '12:10', 'text': \"What is one thing that your audience specifically doesn't know about the world of films?\"},\n {'end_time': '12:21', 'start_time': '12:15', 'text': \"I think that, a lot of people feel that if you're a movie star, it's, it's a great easy life.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:24', 'start_time': '12:22', 'text': \"I don't think it's, I don't think so.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:28', 'start_time': '12:24', 'text': \"I think the bigger that you are, there's a lot of pressure on you.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:38', 'start_time': '12:28', 'text': \"I understand as I say this, that we're, you know, we're talking about movie stars who get really well paid, who get really, all the fanciest clothes and the fanciest, you know, gizmos and everything for free.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:42', 'start_time': '12:38', 'text': \"And it's almost a case of poor little rich guy, but it is.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:44', 'start_time': '12:42', 'text': \"It's really hard.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:50', 'start_time': '12:44', 'text': \"I'm not saying, oh, you know, so sad that there's of course there's a lot that compensates.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:53', 'start_time': '12:50', 'text': \"I don't think anything can compensate for the hard life.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:55', 'start_time': '12:53', 'text': \"But I do think that it's a hard life.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:00', 'start_time': '12:55', 'text': \"I think that's that they work really hard because the the pressure and I think it's much more today.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:02', 'start_time': '13:00', 'text': 'The pressure is much more today than it was a few years ago.'},\n {'end_time': '13:08', 'start_time': '13:02', 'text': \"I think there's a lot of pressure, to stay in the game, to constantly make the right choices.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:12', 'start_time': '13:08', 'text': 'I mean, Ayushman Khurana today is probably the number one star in terms of the choices.'},\n {'end_time': '13:19', 'start_time': '13:12', 'text': \"And I can't think of someone who has more pressure on them because he's now has the pressure to constantly make the right choices.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:21', 'start_time': '13:19', 'text': 'It must be terrifying.'},\n {'end_time': '13:31', 'start_time': '13:21', 'text': 'You know, I remember Alia Bhatt talking about how when she had her first flop, Shandar, which came after a bunch of hits, she was devastated because it was her first flop.'},\n {'end_time': '13:34', 'start_time': '13:31', 'text': \"And her father says, like, this is a good thing because now you've tasted it.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:36', 'start_time': '13:34', 'text': \"Now you won't be on your toes.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:47', 'start_time': '13:36', 'text': \"I mean, Ayushman must be I can't imagine what Ayushman must be like because, you know, you you don't want when you got this lucky streak and everyone's talking about it, you know, there's there's natural pressure and there's a pressure that people put on you.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:49', 'start_time': '13:47', 'text': \"And we're constantly this is the man with the golden touch.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:50', 'start_time': '13:49', 'text': 'This is the man with the golden gut.'},\n {'end_time': '13:52', 'start_time': '13:50', 'text': 'This is the man who touches anything and it turns into gold.'},\n {'end_time': '13:53', 'start_time': '13:52', 'text': 'And there will be one flop.'},\n {'end_time': '13:56', 'start_time': '13:53', 'text': \"And suddenly everyone he's not he's not that special.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:56', 'start_time': '13:56', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '14:02', 'start_time': '13:56', 'text': \"And that's a lot of pressure and we suddenly forget that, you know, he has made incredible choices and that could well be a great choice.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:04', 'start_time': '14:02', 'text': \"A film doesn't flop only because it's bad.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:06', 'start_time': '14:04', 'text': \"Films flop I mean, so many good films don't work.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:08', 'start_time': '14:06', 'text': 'So it could it could flop for whatever reason.'},\n {'end_time': '14:12', 'start_time': '14:08', 'text': 'But the kind of pressure that someone which is the Shahrukh scenario, you know.'},\n {'end_time': '14:15', 'start_time': '14:12', 'text': 'I mean, it it must be so hard being Shahrukh because Right.'},\n {'end_time': '14:20', 'start_time': '14:15', 'text': \"You're the guy that everyone loves and you're wondering, but then why are they going why aren't they going and watching my movies?\"},\n {'end_time': '14:23', 'start_time': '14:20', 'text': 'I mean, he just has to go out to his balcony to see how much they love him.'},\n {'end_time': '14:25', 'start_time': '14:24', 'text': \"But why aren't they going to see my movies?\"},\n {'end_time': '14:28', 'start_time': '14:25', 'text': \"It must you know, I I can't imagine what that must be like.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:37', 'start_time': '14:28', 'text': \"And and similarly, this whole conversation on nepotism, you know, I I and I've just come off the round table that we did and I saw Ananya get get mercilessly trolled.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:43', 'start_time': '14:37', 'text': 'And I just wanna say, I think a lot of people, the the the because you asked me what do a lot of people not know.'},\n {'end_time': '14:45', 'start_time': '14:44', 'text': 'I think it is hard.'},\n {'end_time': '14:52', 'start_time': '14:45', 'text': 'I think that even the guys who come from from from big names, you know, famous names do have their own struggle.'},\n {'end_time': '14:58', 'start_time': '14:52', 'text': \"And, and maybe she didn't articulate it as well because she spoke about, her father not being on Koffee with Karan.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:01', 'start_time': '14:58', 'text': 'But I wanna say, you know, everyone has their own reality.'},\n {'end_time': '15:03', 'start_time': '15:01', 'text': \"It it's not an equal world.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:06', 'start_time': '15:04', 'text': 'Your struggle and my struggle may not be the same.'},\n {'end_time': '15:07', 'start_time': '15:06', 'text': 'Yours may be much more.'},\n {'end_time': '15:09', 'start_time': '15:07', 'text': 'What do you seems trivial?'},\n {'end_time': '15:10', 'start_time': '15:09', 'text': 'My struggle might seem trivial.'},\n {'end_time': '15:13', 'start_time': '15:10', 'text': \"My my my insecurities might seem trivial, but they're not to me.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:14', 'start_time': '15:13', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '15:20', 'start_time': '15:14', 'text': \"It is and your struggle might seem trivial to the 3rd guy who's who's who who lost his entire family in a car crash.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:21', 'start_time': '15:20', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '15:22', 'start_time': '15:21', 'text': 'Are you comparing it to them?'},\n {'end_time': '15:23', 'start_time': '15:22', 'text': \"Is your struggle less because he's gone through that?\"},\n {'end_time': '15:24', 'start_time': '15:23', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '15:28', 'start_time': '15:24', 'text': 'So I think the people have we are very, very quick to judge.'},\n {'end_time': '15:29', 'start_time': '15:28', 'text': \"And I'm guilty of it.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:32', 'start_time': '15:29', 'text': \"I think we're all guilty of it in our in our level as well.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:38', 'start_time': '15:32', 'text': 'But I just feel like, some of these kids who have famous movie star parents and stuff, I mean, you know, cut them some slack.'},\n {'end_time': '15:38', 'start_time': '15:38', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '15:41', 'start_time': '15:39', 'text': 'Just wanna stand up a little bit for Ananya one day.'},\n {'end_time': '15:41', 'start_time': '15:41', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '15:42', 'start_time': '15:41', 'text': 'So she was my junior in school.'},\n {'end_time': '15:43', 'start_time': '15:42', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '15:49', 'start_time': '15:43', 'text': 'And the school was Durbanani International School, and the school has really given me more than I could have asked for.'},\n {'end_time': '15:50', 'start_time': '15:49', 'text': \"It's mainly the person I am today in life.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:00', 'start_time': '15:51', 'text': \"In saying that, it was some of Bombay's, most elite families that send their kids to that school, including Shah Rukh's family, Safalingan's family.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:00', 'start_time': '16:00', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '16:01', 'start_time': '16:00', 'text': 'So I grew up with Sadali Khan.'},\n {'end_time': '16:03', 'start_time': '16:01', 'text': \"I grew up with Sachin Tendulkar's kids.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:03', 'start_time': '16:03', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '16:05', 'start_time': '16:04', 'text': \"And I've been in that school.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:08', 'start_time': '16:05', 'text': \"I've been in her shoes, and I know what it's like growing up in that environment Mhmm.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:11', 'start_time': '16:09', 'text': \"Where say you're growing up with a superstar's kid.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:12', 'start_time': '16:11', 'text': 'Correct.'},\n {'end_time': '16:15', 'start_time': '16:12', 'text': 'And you know, their parents are called on Koffi with Karan, your parents are not.'},\n {'end_time': '16:15', 'start_time': '16:15', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '16:16', 'start_time': '16:15', 'text': 'That is your reality.'},\n {'end_time': '16:17', 'start_time': '16:16', 'text': 'That is your struggle.'},\n {'end_time': '16:18', 'start_time': '16:17', 'text': 'It really is.'},\n {'end_time': '16:18', 'start_time': '16:18', 'text': 'It it yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '16:21', 'start_time': '16:18', 'text': \"And that's not something that audiences understand.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:22', 'start_time': '16:21', 'text': 'Like, people are very quick to judge.'},\n {'end_time': '16:25', 'start_time': '16:22', 'text': \"They think that, oh, you know, you're the film stars person.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:26', 'start_time': '16:25', 'text': 'Correct.'},\n {'end_time': '16:29', 'start_time': '16:26', 'text': 'Like, people make these stories about you in their head, which is very long.'},\n {'end_time': '16:30', 'start_time': '16:29', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '16:33', 'start_time': '16:30', 'text': 'Poor girl must be going through like a whole, you know, world of turmoil.'},\n {'end_time': '16:36', 'start_time': '16:33', 'text': \"And even she's actually quite articulate and she's quite smart.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:45', 'start_time': '16:36', 'text': 'And in that episode, I I felt it was unfair because they they pulled out one little bit, which sounded okay, which sounded a little if you take it out of context, it sounds like, you know, a famous person complaining.'},\n {'end_time': '16:55', 'start_time': '16:45', 'text': \"But if you actually listen to her throughout her take on privilege, I think she actually acknowledged it and I think she was, you know, she constantly spoke about the the work she feels she's she she needs to do as a result.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:57', 'start_time': '16:55', 'text': \"And I think that we're we're very quick to judge.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:57', 'start_time': '16:57', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '17:02', 'start_time': '16:57', 'text': \"I'm also a fan of Sedan Chaturvedi in saying that I loved him in Inside Edge actually even more than Gully Boy.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:02', 'start_time': '17:02', 'text': 'Uh-huh.'},\n {'end_time': '17:05', 'start_time': '17:02', 'text': \"Because he really convinced me he's playing that roller from a village.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:08', 'start_time': '17:06', 'text': 'What was the vibe between them after the interview?'},\n {'end_time': '17:23', 'start_time': '17:08', 'text': \"You know, can I tell you, at that interview, we didn't even realize I don't think anyone and I and I I certainly didn't realize that that was a snap trap kind of, you know, what the way it was pulled out and and and memes were made and and that and just that little bit?\"},\n {'end_time': '17:24', 'start_time': '17:23', 'text': 'I think he said what he had to say.'},\n {'end_time': '17:25', 'start_time': '17:24', 'text': 'She said what she had to say.'},\n {'end_time': '17:30', 'start_time': '17:25', 'text': \"He said, I don't think he was responding in a in a manner in a manner to snap at her.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:34', 'start_time': '17:30', 'text': 'It makes for great TV and it makes it makes for great memes if you if you just isolate that.'},\n {'end_time': '17:36', 'start_time': '17:34', 'text': \"I think what he says is you're right.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:39', 'start_time': '17:36', 'text': \"What he said is absolutely true and that's his reality.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:39', 'start_time': '17:39', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '17:43', 'start_time': '17:39', 'text': \"But that doesn't mean that her reality is any lesser for her.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:44', 'start_time': '17:43', 'text': \"That's the life she's led.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:45', 'start_time': '17:44', 'text': \"It's not an equal world.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:47', 'start_time': '17:45', 'text': \"It's not a fair world.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:57', 'start_time': '17:47', 'text': \"Everyone is not, you know, you could you can have these conversations only if every if it's a fair world and everyone has the exact starting point and someone is complaining that, oh, but then sorry.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:59', 'start_time': '17:58', 'text': 'Only only merit will take you that far.'},\n {'end_time': '18:01', 'start_time': '17:59', 'text': \"But we don't live in a perfect world.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:02', 'start_time': '18:01', 'text': \"We don't live in a fair world.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:03', 'start_time': '18:02', 'text': 'So the vibe was absolutely fine.'},\n {'end_time': '18:05', 'start_time': '18:03', 'text': \"They're actually doing a movie together.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:05', 'start_time': '18:05', 'text': 'Mr.'},\n {'end_time': '18:07', 'start_time': '18:05', 'text': 'Masan, your round tables are straight up fire.'},\n {'end_time': '18:08', 'start_time': '18:07', 'text': 'I really enjoy doing them.'},\n {'end_time': '18:09', 'start_time': '18:08', 'text': 'Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '18:11', 'start_time': '18:09', 'text': 'But what do people not know about them?'},\n {'end_time': '18:14', 'start_time': '18:14', 'text': \"I'll tell you.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:20', 'start_time': '18:14', 'text': \"I'm I'm glad you asked me this question because I've never again, I've never said this because I don't feel it's right for me to say it on my platforms.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:26', 'start_time': '18:21', 'text': \"When you when when people say, oh, this person wasn't them, you know, Rajeev Hrithik was not on the round table.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:26', 'start_time': '18:26', 'text': 'How could you not take Rithik?'},\n {'end_time': '18:27', 'start_time': '18:26', 'text': 'You hate Rithik.'},\n {'end_time': '18:28', 'start_time': '18:27', 'text': 'You always get Rithik.'},\n {'end_time': '18:35', 'start_time': '18:29', 'text': \"I'm not I I think it's disrespectful on my part to come out and respond to those questions and say, hey.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:39', 'start_time': '18:35', 'text': \"We tried to get Ritik Roshan, but his dates, we couldn't match.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:42', 'start_time': '18:39', 'text': \"If I say that, it's undermining those who were on the table.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:49', 'start_time': '18:42', 'text': \"But I wanna tell you, I promise you, we reach out to everyone who's been good in a film that year.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:52', 'start_time': '18:49', 'text': \"There's no limit on how many people we can have on the round table.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:59', 'start_time': '18:52', 'text': \"So if you see 5 and you think Hrithik Rashan is not on that round table because Rajeev didn't want him, that's bullshit.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:10', 'start_time': '18:59', 'text': \"We reached out to I promise you, we reached out to every single name that comes I mean, if you have a bizarre choice, I mean, if you're if you're talking about someone who doesn't deserve to be there, only you think that person gave a great performance, then that's different.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:16', 'start_time': '19:10', 'text': \"But, everyone who attacks me saying that you're biased and that's why you didn't put this one on and that's why you didn't no.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:19', 'start_time': '19:16', 'text': \"It's it's a monster to coordinate.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:22', 'start_time': '19:19', 'text': 'To get do you know what it takes to get 5 people on that?'},\n {'end_time': '19:23', 'start_time': '19:22', 'text': 'I mean, I I What does it take?'},\n {'end_time': '19:24', 'start_time': '19:23', 'text': 'Oh, god.'},\n {'end_time': '19:26', 'start_time': '19:24', 'text': 'It takes it takes months of incessant calling.'},\n {'end_time': '19:30', 'start_time': '19:26', 'text': 'It takes, you know, no one says no to to being on the round table.'},\n {'end_time': '19:37', 'start_time': '19:30', 'text': 'I think most people are are happy to be honored because I think they see it as a as as a place where we have sincere conversations about the craft, about the business.'},\n {'end_time': '19:40', 'start_time': '19:38', 'text': \"What is hard is coordinating everyone's dates together.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:41', 'start_time': '19:40', 'text': 'There are egos involved.'},\n {'end_time': '19:43', 'start_time': '19:41', 'text': 'There are genuinely scheduling issues involved.'},\n {'end_time': '19:50', 'start_time': '19:43', 'text': 'I mean, Vicky Kaushal was supposed to be on the round table, this year because, of course, he was incredible in Notion, but but he was in in, Russia shooting.'},\n {'end_time': '19:54', 'start_time': '19:50', 'text': 'And he could only come back on the 28th December by by which then the round tables are done.'},\n {'end_time': '19:56', 'start_time': '19:55', 'text': \"I couldn't wait.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:58', 'start_time': '19:56', 'text': \"It it's sometimes it's as simple as that.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:05', 'start_time': '19:58', 'text': \"As long my my point is as long as the other 5 who are on the table deserve to be there, don't question my integrity.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:09', 'start_time': '20:05', 'text': \"Did you feel like any of those people in that table didn't deserve to be there?\"},\n {'end_time': '20:09', 'start_time': '20:09', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '20:12', 'start_time': '20:09', 'text': 'You you think so and so also deserved to be there.'},\n {'end_time': '20:16', 'start_time': '20:12', 'text': \"Then I promise you that person was not there because because we tried and we couldn't get that person there.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:22', 'start_time': '20:16', 'text': \"But every I just wanna say it's very easy to oh, this person you know, if you don't see your favorite actor, oh, Kareena wasn't there.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:23', 'start_time': '20:22', 'text': \"But Kareena's movie came out after.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:28', 'start_time': '20:23', 'text': \"We don't put an actor we don't invite an actor to table unless we've seen that film.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:36', 'start_time': '20:28', 'text': 'So Do you do you have like Bollywood parents calling you and telling you, Not not Bollywood parents.'},\n {'end_time': '20:37', 'start_time': '20:36', 'text': 'There are PR people.'},\n {'end_time': '20:39', 'start_time': '20:37', 'text': \"And and and it's hard sometimes.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:40', 'start_time': '20:39', 'text': \"And and you know, sometimes it's hard.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:41', 'start_time': '20:40', 'text': \"It's not just PR people, it's producers.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:44', 'start_time': '20:41', 'text': \"Sometimes it's actors who send you messages saying they want to be on it.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:47', 'start_time': '20:44', 'text': \"And it's it's very, very awkward because, How do you say no?\"},\n {'end_time': '20:49', 'start_time': '20:48', 'text': \"It's it's it's hard, you know.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:55', 'start_time': '20:50', 'text': \"You just say like, I think you'll be I think you're gonna be better in in next year's film.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:01', 'start_time': '20:55', 'text': \"And you really have to be polite because, because everyone thinks they're great and they probably are good, but you really only have place for 5.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:05', 'start_time': '21:01', 'text': 'And you want to get your first choice, and you wanna get everyone who deserves to be there.'},\n {'end_time': '21:07', 'start_time': '21:05', 'text': \"Actually, really, there is no I mean, it's not only place for 5.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:09', 'start_time': '21:07', 'text': 'We think of 5 as a benchmark.'},\n {'end_time': '21:10', 'start_time': '21:09', 'text': \"I can't go below 5.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:13', 'start_time': '21:10', 'text': \"But we've had, I mean, we had we had 7 actresses last year.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:15', 'start_time': '21:13', 'text': 'I think we had 7 directors this year.'},\n {'end_time': '21:17', 'start_time': '21:16', 'text': '5 is what we like to hit.'},\n {'end_time': '21:23', 'start_time': '21:18', 'text': \"And and more than that is if there is, I'll never I'll never not put an actor because we only have place for 5.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:29', 'start_time': '21:23', 'text': 'So are people, you know, the real version of themselves on camera or is it a show and then once the camera is off, they become a new person?'},\n {'end_time': '21:29', 'start_time': '21:29', 'text': \"I don't know.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:34', 'start_time': '21:29', 'text': \"I have to say, I think it'll be, you know, an hour and a half or whatever long we take to shoot.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:38', 'start_time': '21:34', 'text': \"It would be a lot of it would be you'd have to be a damn good actor if you're pretending for that long.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:41', 'start_time': '21:38', 'text': 'I think it it slips, you know, your who you are kind of slips at sometimes.'},\n {'end_time': '21:51', 'start_time': '21:41', 'text': \"But I think that they recognize that on this on this roundtable, if you're pretending, you're not you're gonna people can see through it, because they're seeing you now in relation to others.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:54', 'start_time': '21:52', 'text': 'And I think that people that love you, love you for who you are.'},\n {'end_time': '21:56', 'start_time': '21:54', 'text': \"So if you're not being yourself, people can see that.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:00', 'start_time': '21:56', 'text': \"I mean, I'm not gonna name this actor, but this is an actor that everyone loves.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:03', 'start_time': '22:00', 'text': 'But he was clearly, 2 years ago, I think it was.'},\n {'end_time': '22:04', 'start_time': '22:03', 'text': 'And he or or yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '22:04', 'start_time': '22:04', 'text': '2 years ago.'},\n {'end_time': '22:11', 'start_time': '22:04', 'text': \"And he was, he was being a he was being a he was trying to be a slightly more important version and that's not who he is.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:20', 'start_time': '22:11', 'text': \"He was trying to be, you know, he was trying to behave like, like, like another actor maybe, who's known for being a bit of a snotty kind of guy.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:23', 'start_time': '22:20', 'text': \"But that's his personality and people love him for that.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:24', 'start_time': '22:23', 'text': \"But people don't love you for this.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:26', 'start_time': '22:24', 'text': 'And the comments I read about people can see through it.'},\n {'end_time': '22:28', 'start_time': '22:26', 'text': 'I think today, the viewers are so sharp.'},\n {'end_time': '22:31', 'start_time': '22:28', 'text': \"They really can tell if you're if you're not being yourself.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:35', 'start_time': '22:31', 'text': 'So I think that being authentic and I think that the actors know that even better than us.'},\n {'end_time': '22:37', 'start_time': '22:35', 'text': \"I think they've realized that you have to be who you are.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:54', 'start_time': '22:37', 'text': \"And sometimes that is that is Renee Singh who's bizarre and who walks in with a, you know, with a boom box and kind of intimidates almost if I'm Akshay Khanna, I think felt like a ton of bricks for me when Renee Singh walked in with, you know, in his funny hair and his costume and his and and the boom box and, like, an entourage of 20 people.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:57', 'start_time': '22:54', 'text': \"It was it was mad, but, but that's who he is.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:01', 'start_time': '22:57', 'text': 'And I think that once one sort of and and Akshay Khanna is is shy and quiet.'},\n {'end_time': '23:03', 'start_time': '23:01', 'text': \"And everyone who's like, oh, Akshay Khanna look bored.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:04', 'start_time': '23:03', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '23:05', 'start_time': '23:04', 'text': 'He is shy and quiet.'},\n {'end_time': '23:13', 'start_time': '23:05', 'text': \"And perhaps, you know, in in a room full of people, he he's he's not as as social, as he would be 1 on 1.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:14', 'start_time': '23:13', 'text': \"But but that's who he is.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:15', 'start_time': '23:14', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '23:22', 'start_time': '23:15', 'text': \"You know, unless you're like very spiritually advanced, I believe that every career has its, pros and its negatives.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:22', 'start_time': '23:22', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '23:26', 'start_time': '23:22', 'text': 'So I wanna ask you about you specifically as a guy.'},\n {'end_time': '23:28', 'start_time': '23:26', 'text': 'What do you not like about what you do?'},\n {'end_time': '23:38', 'start_time': '23:29', 'text': \"You know, I think that, I think if you've been watching films, as long as, as long as I have as a career and sometimes, sometimes it can get tiring.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:42', 'start_time': '23:39', 'text': 'It takes a little, it takes sometimes it sucks the joy out of it.'},\n {'end_time': '23:44', 'start_time': '23:42', 'text': 'I mean, films are meant for entertainment, right?'},\n {'end_time': '23:47', 'start_time': '23:44', 'text': 'You go to watch a film because you want, because you like the trailer and because you wanna have a good time.'},\n {'end_time': '23:49', 'start_time': '23:47', 'text': \"For me it's a job.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:58', 'start_time': '23:49', 'text': \"And sometimes, that could be because you watch a lot of bad films maybe at one go or, or the mind is somewhere else and you've got many other things going on.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:02', 'start_time': '23:58', 'text': 'Sometimes the joy of watching films, it starts to become a job.'},\n {'end_time': '24:07', 'start_time': '24:02', 'text': \"And that's really sad because you shouldn't be you shouldn't be a film critic if you don't love it.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:07', 'start_time': '24:07', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '24:14', 'start_time': '24:07', 'text': 'So so you have to kind of quickly calibrate yourself and you have to kind of maybe take some time off or or just, do something that you enjoy.'},\n {'end_time': '24:25', 'start_time': '24:15', 'text': \"And And I think that social media is a I'm gonna as much as social media is a positive influence, I think it really can be can be very, very, intense and taxing and and judgmental.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:42', 'start_time': '24:25', 'text': \"And and sometimes that is what, you know, gone are those sweet days when you, when you wrote a review or you put up a review and an email would come or a letter would come, you know, now it's like also if people don't agree with you, the first comment is you must be paid or you must be you're biased.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:46', 'start_time': '24:42', 'text': \"There's no room for I thought differently, you thought differently.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:48', 'start_time': '24:47', 'text': 'This this is films.'},\n {'end_time': '24:49', 'start_time': '24:48', 'text': 'This this is not maths.'},\n {'end_time': '24:52', 'start_time': '24:49', 'text': 'Mathematics 2 plus 2 will always be 4.'},\n {'end_time': '24:54', 'start_time': '24:53', 'text': 'Biryani, you might really love it.'},\n {'end_time': '24:55', 'start_time': '24:54', 'text': 'I might not.'},\n {'end_time': '24:56', 'start_time': '24:55', 'text': \"And it doesn't mean it's awful.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:58', 'start_time': '24:56', 'text': 'It just means we have different tastes.'},\n {'end_time': '24:58', 'start_time': '24:58', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '25:00', 'start_time': '24:59', 'text': \"But but people don't get that.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:07', 'start_time': '25:00', 'text': \"I think as a society, we we we just feel that if if we if everyone if someone doesn't agree with us, then they're wrong.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:09', 'start_time': '25:07', 'text': 'There is no right and wrong with films.'},\n {'end_time': '25:11', 'start_time': '25:09', 'text': 'So I find that that quick judgmental nature.'},\n {'end_time': '25:16', 'start_time': '25:11', 'text': \"You know, I'm almost after putting out a review, I'm almost like very I'm like, oh, God, now it's going to start.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:22', 'start_time': '25:16', 'text': \"And I'm like, on Fridays, Friday evenings, I don't check my I don't check my mentions because I don't want to.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:24', 'start_time': '25:22', 'text': \"I mean, I like I'll at least I need a day.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:25', 'start_time': '25:24', 'text': \"It's been a long day.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:28', 'start_time': '25:25', 'text': 'Watched a movie, came back, rotate, recorded it.'},\n {'end_time': '25:28', 'start_time': '25:28', 'text': 'Now I need a day.'},\n {'end_time': '25:31', 'start_time': '25:28', 'text': \"I can't also take the the brickbats the same day.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:38', 'start_time': '25:31', 'text': 'So sometimes it gets very intense and and and if it when you start to not love it, you really should kind of take some time off.'},\n {'end_time': '25:43', 'start_time': '25:38', 'text': \"Or if you if you if you don't love it for a long period, maybe it's not maybe it's time to take a break.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:45', 'start_time': '25:43', 'text': \"And what's the biggest blessing of your life?\"},\n {'end_time': '25:54', 'start_time': '25:47', 'text': 'You know, the really the opportunity to, to meet so many interesting people, the opportunity to travel so much.'},\n {'end_time': '25:55', 'start_time': '25:54', 'text': \"I mean, I've covered the Oscars.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:56', 'start_time': '25:55', 'text': \"I've covered the Golden Globes.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:00', 'start_time': '25:56', 'text': \"I've, you know, I've I've met, I mean, I've met I've met my heroes.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:01', 'start_time': '26:00', 'text': \"I've met Spielberg.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:03', 'start_time': '26:01', 'text': \"I've met, James Cameron.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:04', 'start_time': '26:03', 'text': \"I've met Tom Cruise.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:04', 'start_time': '26:04', 'text': \"I've met Clooney.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:06', 'start_time': '26:04', 'text': \"I've met some of the most incredible actors.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:10', 'start_time': '26:06', 'text': 'I mean, just an opportunity to have a job which allows you to travel, watch movies for a living.'},\n {'end_time': '26:13', 'start_time': '26:10', 'text': 'I mean, you know, most people wait for the weekend to go watch their movies.'},\n {'end_time': '26:17', 'start_time': '26:13', 'text': 'I mean, I watch on a Monday morning, the job that I have to do is watch a movie.'},\n {'end_time': '26:24', 'start_time': '26:17', 'text': 'It really is the best job in the world till it starts to not be if you, if you allow all of those things to get to you.'},\n {'end_time': '26:25', 'start_time': '26:24', 'text': \"And I think that that's the other truth.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:27', 'start_time': '26:25', 'text': 'The truth is that there will always be cons.'},\n {'end_time': '26:29', 'start_time': '26:27', 'text': \"It's about allowing them to get to you.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:35', 'start_time': '26:29', 'text': \"And and and on some days you wake up and you're really strong and you're able to disregard what people are saying.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:39', 'start_time': '26:35', 'text': \"And on some days you're feeling vulnerable and and and even the slightest thing will go block.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:48', 'start_time': '26:39', 'text': \"And, you know, the number of people I've blocked in the last couple of months, it's it's insane because I just I just feel like, you know, as you get older I mean, I just want pleasantness.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:52', 'start_time': '26:49', 'text': \"But you also have to accept that that's not the world.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:53', 'start_time': '26:52', 'text': 'The world is not pleasant.'},\n {'end_time': '26:53', 'start_time': '26:53', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '27:02', 'start_time': '26:53', 'text': \"People are and and and and you have to realize that you you know it in, you know, you know it in principle, you know, that all these people who are, who are abusing you, it's just their opinion.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:05', 'start_time': '27:02', 'text': \"They're probably sitting there, you know, they probably don't have great lives.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:07', 'start_time': '27:05', 'text': 'You know, all those things and it still affects you.'},\n {'end_time': '27:09', 'start_time': '27:07', 'text': 'Can I just like tell you something?'},\n {'end_time': '27:09', 'start_time': '27:09', 'text': 'Please.'},\n {'end_time': '27:12', 'start_time': '27:09', 'text': 'I want your advice here because you do it on a much larger scale.'},\n {'end_time': '27:15', 'start_time': '27:12', 'text': \"I would imagine that you're getting feedback by the nanosecond.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:17', 'start_time': '27:15', 'text': 'How does I mean, please, how do you deal with it?'},\n {'end_time': '27:23', 'start_time': '27:17', 'text': \"I genuinely believe that it's easy in life to get the numbers and even possibly to become famous and to become successful.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:26', 'start_time': '27:23', 'text': \"It's difficult for humans in life to earn respect.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:26', 'start_time': '27:26', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '27:30', 'start_time': '27:26', 'text': \"And I feel for the work you do because you're so genuine with your reviews, because you're so out there.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:32', 'start_time': '27:30', 'text': \"Like, you're authentic.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:36', 'start_time': '27:32', 'text': \"You've gained a lot of respect over the years from a whole section of this country.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:37', 'start_time': '27:36', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '27:42', 'start_time': '27:37', 'text': 'So even if there are haters out there, like, I can tell you 90% of the people who listen to you respect you.'},\n {'end_time': '27:43', 'start_time': '27:42', 'text': \"That's very kind.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:48', 'start_time': '27:43', 'text': \"And possibly even the haters, they're hating you out of the fact that they hate the fact that they respect you.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:49', 'start_time': '27:48', 'text': 'Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '27:50', 'start_time': '27:49', 'text': 'I actually try to engage with the haters.'},\n {'end_time': '27:55', 'start_time': '27:50', 'text': 'That is my first you know, if you abuse, like, if you if you abuse then I tend to block.'},\n {'end_time': '28:00', 'start_time': '27:55', 'text': \"But if you if you're even mean, but you're making a point, I'll engage.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:04', 'start_time': '28:00', 'text': 'And and most people tell me, like, you never respond to the people who are praising you.'},\n {'end_time': '28:05', 'start_time': '28:04', 'text': 'You only respond to the guys who are attacking you.'},\n {'end_time': '28:12', 'start_time': '28:05', 'text': \"I'd like to give you my opinion of where I came from and you're entirely you're entirely within your right to disregard it.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:12', 'start_time': '28:12', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '28:12', 'start_time': '28:12', 'text': 'But I try.'},\n {'end_time': '28:22', 'start_time': '28:12', 'text': \"I mean, the abuser the abuser if you're if you're just like, you know, if you're gonna wake up and and go, like, every morning, like, I'm not I'm not I don't have the energy to engage with them anymore.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:22', 'start_time': '28:22', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '28:23', 'start_time': '28:22', 'text': \"That I can't deal with.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:24', 'start_time': '28:23', 'text': 'And that comes a lot.'},\n {'end_time': '28:24', 'start_time': '28:24', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '28:24', 'start_time': '28:24', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '28:30', 'start_time': '28:24', 'text': 'I mean, I think it was difficult for me also in the first, initial phase of this YouTube journey to deal with it.'},\n {'end_time': '28:38', 'start_time': '28:31', 'text': \"But I just figured over time that there is a concept called the concept of negative biases, which is that your human mind, the way it's built Correct.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:40', 'start_time': '28:38', 'text': 'There are 9 positive things happening in your life.'},\n {'end_time': '28:40', 'start_time': '28:40', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '28:42', 'start_time': '28:40', 'text': \"You'll go on the one That's so true.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:42', 'start_time': '28:42', 'text': 'Negative thing.'},\n {'end_time': '28:43', 'start_time': '28:42', 'text': \"That's so true.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:44', 'start_time': '28:43', 'text': 'Which is true of the comment section as well.'},\n {'end_time': '28:45', 'start_time': '28:44', 'text': \"That's absolutely true.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:47', 'start_time': '28:45', 'text': \"There's actually many good things happening Yeah.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:49', 'start_time': '28:47', 'text': 'But you tend to focus on the on the stuff that yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '28:49', 'start_time': '28:49', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '28:49', 'start_time': '28:49', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '28:51', 'start_time': '28:49', 'text': 'Which is all the respect that comes away.'},\n {'end_time': '28:52', 'start_time': '28:51', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '29:01', 'start_time': '28:52', 'text': \"And, like, I just wanna ask you one question to end this conversation, which is that a lot of YouTubers, and I'm talking from this side of the Sure.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:07', 'start_time': '29:01', 'text': 'Wall, definitely look at Bollywood, and they definitely wanna become what a Sedan Chaturvedi is becoming.'},\n {'end_time': '29:07', 'start_time': '29:07', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '29:09', 'start_time': '29:07', 'text': 'What, Varun Dhawan has become.'},\n {'end_time': '29:09', 'start_time': '29:09', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '29:10', 'start_time': '29:09', 'text': 'They eventually wanna become Shahrukh.'},\n {'end_time': '29:17', 'start_time': '29:11', 'text': \"Do you see Bollywood casting the current top YouTubers You know, I'm gonna as mainstream people.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:21', 'start_time': '29:17', 'text': \"I'm gonna actually quote what Shahrukh Khan told me, because no one no one knows better than him.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:22', 'start_time': '29:21', 'text': 'You know, I asked him.'},\n {'end_time': '29:26', 'start_time': '29:22', 'text': 'I said that I said Shahrukh, it feels like this generation of superstars, your generation of superstars.'},\n {'end_time': '29:31', 'start_time': '29:26', 'text': 'The Aamir Shahrukh, Salman, Akshay Kumar is the last generation of superstars.'},\n {'end_time': '29:42', 'start_time': '29:31', 'text': \"I mean, it doesn't even as big as Ranveer Singh and Varun Dhawan and Ranbir Kapoor and Tiger Shroff are, it doesn't feel like they've they they they have that level of superstardom and maybe they won't.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:44', 'start_time': '29:42', 'text': 'Maybe because times have changed.'},\n {'end_time': '29:48', 'start_time': '29:45', 'text': \"It's just that that that level of that craze, that level of madness.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:54', 'start_time': '29:49', 'text': \"Also, you know, they they were superstars at a time when you didn't have access to superstars in the way that you do today.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:58', 'start_time': '29:55', 'text': \"They weren't on, social media at that time because social media didn't exist.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:00', 'start_time': '29:58', 'text': 'So you bought magazines and you put up posters.'},\n {'end_time': '30:02', 'start_time': '30:00', 'text': \"I don't know if any people do that anymore.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:09', 'start_time': '30:02', 'text': \"And he said he said it's probably true, but he said that the next the next generation of superstars will not be from films.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:11', 'start_time': '30:09', 'text': \"He actually said he used the word and said it's in the interview.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:20', 'start_time': '30:11', 'text': \"He said there'll be YouTube superstars and there'll be social media superstars and there'll be superstars from areas that may not even may not even have been developed fully yet.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:25', 'start_time': '30:20', 'text': \"But he said it's possible and don't look only at films for the next generation's superstars.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:27', 'start_time': '30:26', 'text': 'Also the lines are blurring.'},\n {'end_time': '30:34', 'start_time': '30:27', 'text': 'So, those, those superstars from non film areas might be co opted because Bollywood is quite shameless.'},\n {'end_time': '30:36', 'start_time': '30:34', 'text': 'They will co they will take you from wherever you are.'},\n {'end_time': '30:37', 'start_time': '30:36', 'text': \"If you can sell tickets, we'll have you.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:43', 'start_time': '30:37', 'text': \"You could have you could be a you could be a race car driver with a with a huge following and we'll incorporate you.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:45', 'start_time': '30:43', 'text': \"So I do think I actually and you're seeing it.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:45', 'start_time': '30:45', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '30:54', 'start_time': '30:45', 'text': \"I mean, a lot of these, I mean, you know, they they they're now popping up in in smaller smaller roles, but a lot of the stand ups and a lot of the YouTubers are now, you know, getting, small roles.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:56', 'start_time': '30:54', 'text': 'But but most of them are playing themselves.'},\n {'end_time': '31:04', 'start_time': '30:56', 'text': \"I think that what what Bollywood needs to become smart on is are you gonna use them as they are because they're so popular or are you gonna convert them into characters?\"},\n {'end_time': '31:08', 'start_time': '31:04', 'text': 'And, you know, you see with someone like Bhuvan, you see with someone like, Prajakta.'},\n {'end_time': '31:10', 'start_time': '31:08', 'text': \"I mean, they're creating characters.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:12', 'start_time': '31:10', 'text': 'You know, Bhuvan has 8, 9 characters.'},\n {'end_time': '31:13', 'start_time': '31:12', 'text': 'So these guys are good actors.'},\n {'end_time': '31:19', 'start_time': '31:13', 'text': \"It's just you just require someone smart to know how to utilize, these massive influencers.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:26', 'start_time': '31:20', 'text': \"And and I don't see why because already we're talking about how the only people buying tickets and going to the cinemas are young people.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:33', 'start_time': '31:26', 'text': 'Those are also the only guys who are on YouTube and and, you know, and and consuming all of this content and making superstars out of all of you.'},\n {'end_time': '31:36', 'start_time': '31:33', 'text': \"So I actually do think that that that's probably what's gonna happen.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:36', 'start_time': '31:36', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '31:37', 'start_time': '31:36', 'text': \"Why hasn't it happened till now?\"},\n {'end_time': '31:39', 'start_time': '31:37', 'text': \"Why hasn't, like, a YouTube got a main new.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:40', 'start_time': '31:39', 'text': \"I think it's very new still.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:43', 'start_time': '31:40', 'text': 'You know, I think that I think our superstars are still around.'},\n {'end_time': '31:46', 'start_time': '31:43', 'text': \"I mean, listen Shah Rukh, Amir and Salman are in their fifties and they're still there.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:49', 'start_time': '31:46', 'text': \"I mean, their films, some do well, some don't, but they're still very much there.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:54', 'start_time': '31:49', 'text': 'Ranveer and Ranbir and Varun and all are still trying to get into into that slot.'},\n {'end_time': '31:56', 'start_time': '31:54', 'text': \"So the YouTubers will, you know, it's a it's cyclical.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:58', 'start_time': '31:57', 'text': 'It will come.'},\n {'end_time': '31:59', 'start_time': '31:58', 'text': \"It's already starting to happen.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:04', 'start_time': '31:59', 'text': \"I mean, you know, you see Tanmay in a film, you see Rohan in a film, and you see Sumukhi in a film, and and it's happening.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:10', 'start_time': '32:05', 'text': 'And Bhuvan I believe is, you know, is is meeting people and has has CAE handling him and I mean, not CAE.'},\n {'end_time': '32:11', 'start_time': '32:10', 'text': 'Sorry.'},\n {'end_time': '32:12', 'start_time': '32:11', 'text': 'Kwan handling him.'},\n {'end_time': '32:13', 'start_time': '32:12', 'text': 'What did you say?'},\n {'end_time': '32:13', 'start_time': '32:13', 'text': 'What did you say?'},\n {'end_time': '32:14', 'start_time': '32:13', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '32:14', 'start_time': '32:14', 'text': 'Good.'},\n {'end_time': '32:15', 'start_time': '32:14', 'text': 'Kwan handling him.'},\n {'end_time': '32:17', 'start_time': '32:15', 'text': 'They used to be CA Kwan, so I made that mistake.'},\n {'end_time': '32:20', 'start_time': '32:17', 'text': \"But, it's it's just a matter of time.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:21', 'start_time': '32:20', 'text': \"It's really just a matter of time.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:22', 'start_time': '32:21', 'text': \"It's all very new.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:27', 'start_time': '32:22', 'text': 'And and Bollywood, the, you know, the the creators need to start sort of thinking differently.'},\n {'end_time': '32:27', 'start_time': '32:27', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '32:28', 'start_time': '32:27', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '32:29', 'start_time': '32:28', 'text': 'Mister Rajeev Masam Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '32:30', 'start_time': '32:29', 'text': 'I really enjoyed this interview.'},\n {'end_time': '32:30', 'start_time': '32:30', 'text': 'Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '32:31', 'start_time': '32:30', 'text': \"I'm glad.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:32', 'start_time': '32:31', 'text': 'Thank you so much.'},\n {'end_time': '32:34', 'start_time': '32:32', 'text': \"I'm gonna be linking all of sir's handles down below.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:35', 'start_time': '32:34', 'text': 'Make sure you check it out.'},\n {'end_time': '32:36', 'start_time': '32:35', 'text': 'Make sure you subscribe.'},\n {'end_time': '32:38', 'start_time': '32:36', 'text': 'Follow and show some respect.'},\n {'end_time': '32:40', 'start_time': '32:38', 'text': 'Be the 9 out of 10.'},\n {'end_time': '32:40', 'start_time': '32:40', 'text': 'Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '32:41', 'start_time': '32:40', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '32:41', 'start_time': '32:41', 'text': 'Thanks so much.'},\n {'end_time': '32:42', 'start_time': '32:41', 'text': 'See you guys.'},\n {'end_time': '32:42', 'start_time': '32:42', 'text': 'Thank you.'}],\n dtype=object)}", "role": "user" }, { "content": "{'chapters': array([{'start_time': '00:00', 'title': 'Introduction'},\n {'start_time': '01:20', 'title': '3 pieces of Bollywood gossip'},\n {'start_time': '02:23', 'title': \"Shah Rukh Khan's mistakes in Bollywood\"},\n {'start_time': '05:56', 'title': \"Bollywood stars' additional business income\"},\n {'start_time': '08:35', 'title': 'Mental health issues in Bollywood'},\n {'start_time': '12:11', 'title': 'Ananya Pandey controversy'},\n {'start_time': '18:05', 'title': \"Rajeev Masand's roundtable conferences\"},\n {'start_time': '23:15', 'title': \"Rajeev Masand's destressing hacks\"},\n {'start_time': '27:08', 'title': \"Ranveer's view on his haters\"}],\n dtype=object)}", "role": "assistant" } ]

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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:02", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "The dark times are the the times that define us." }, { "end_time": "0:04", "start_time": "0:03", "text": "It's not the successes." }, { "end_time": "0:04", "start_time": "0:04", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "0:07", "start_time": "0:04", "text": "When things are going great, when everything's working, that's like, okay." }, { "end_time": "0:08", "start_time": "0:07", "text": "Great." }, { "end_time": "0:08", "start_time": "0:08", "text": "Congratulations." }, { "end_time": "0:10", "start_time": "0:08", "text": "But it's those dark times." }, { "end_time": "0:14", "start_time": "0:10", "text": "It's the things that happen to us that aren't ideal that we've gotta figure out." }, { "end_time": "0:16", "start_time": "0:14", "text": "That's what builds our strength." }, { "end_time": "0:17", "start_time": "0:16", "text": "That's what builds our character and toughness." }, { "end_time": "0:27", "start_time": "0:18", "text": "The best thing that was happening, if there is something else in a higher power that is sort of directing and and helping and and sort of guiding you on this journey that is life." }, { "end_time": "0:38", "start_time": "0:27", "text": "He, she, whatever the you your perception of of, you know, higher power is, definitely had a plan a a plan in place and and gave me what I needed, not what I wanted." }, { "end_time": "0:41", "start_time": "0:38", "text": "Failure sucks regardless of when it happens, how it happens." }, { "end_time": "0:43", "start_time": "0:41", "text": "It sucks, but it's going to happen." }, { "end_time": "0:52", "start_time": "0:51", "text": "Oh my god." }, { "end_time": "0:57", "start_time": "0:52", "text": "We got a beer wicep's alpha m collab coming your way." }, { "end_time": "0:58", "start_time": "0:57", "text": "Adam Marino." }, { "end_time": "1:00", "start_time": "0:58", "text": "What is going on, everybody?" }, { "end_time": "1:02", "start_time": "1:00", "text": "Thank you so much for having me." }, { "end_time": "1:03", "start_time": "1:02", "text": "This is so exciting." }, { "end_time": "1:04", "start_time": "1:03", "text": "To the Ranvee Show." }, { "end_time": "1:13", "start_time": "1:04", "text": "I have been a fan of yours ever I I mean, all of a sudden, it seemed like I started seeing all these little little comments on my videos about, oh, you need to go check out beer biceps." }, { "end_time": "1:14", "start_time": "1:13", "text": "And I'm like, beer biceps?" }, { "end_time": "1:16", "start_time": "1:14", "text": "I'm like, what the heck is that?" }, { "end_time": "1:24", "start_time": "1:16", "text": "And so I went and I looked and the information and the videos that you're putting out, like, literally blew my mind because I'm like, man, this guy gets it." }, { "end_time": "1:26", "start_time": "1:24", "text": "He just gets it." }, { "end_time": "1:34", "start_time": "1:26", "text": "And, and it's been really fascinating and amazing for me personally to watch your growth in this journey personally and professionally." }, { "end_time": "1:37", "start_time": "1:34", "text": "And so to be on your podcast is a true honor." }, { "end_time": "1:39", "start_time": "1:37", "text": "To be talking to your people is is also amazing." }, { "end_time": "1:41", "start_time": "1:39", "text": "So thank you so much for having me on." }, { "end_time": "1:43", "start_time": "1:42", "text": "Thank you, my brother." }, { "end_time": "1:48", "start_time": "1:43", "text": "Welcome to the Ranvir Show, but I have to begin this podcast by telling you a story." }, { "end_time": "1:52", "start_time": "1:48", "text": "I don't know, actually, you may not be able to see it behind me, but there's a board." }, { "end_time": "1:54", "start_time": "1:52", "text": "There's my study desk right behind me." }, { "end_time": "2:01", "start_time": "1:54", "text": "And I started out this journey in 2015, August, and I think you were at about 700 k subs back then." }, { "end_time": "2:05", "start_time": "2:01", "text": "And within a week of starting out beer biceps, a friend of mine sent me your channel." }, { "end_time": "2:08", "start_time": "2:06", "text": "That was the first time I saw Alpha M and I binge watched a lot." }, { "end_time": "2:12", "start_time": "2:09", "text": "And, I think very soon after that, you hit 1,000,000." }, { "end_time": "2:16", "start_time": "2:12", "text": "I remember your growth from 700 k to a mil was like very, very fast." }, { "end_time": "2:24", "start_time": "2:16", "text": "And in that one that 1,000,000 video was super emotional, but you also mentioned that you took 7 years to hit that mark and it was, you know, true hustle." }, { "end_time": "2:25", "start_time": "2:24", "text": "So it inspired me." }, { "end_time": "2:31", "start_time": "2:26", "text": "But the other thing I did was I kind of used your blueprint as a reference." }, { "end_time": "2:35", "start_time": "2:32", "text": "So I actually wrote 7 years on a piece of paper." }, { "end_time": "2:43", "start_time": "2:35", "text": "And until I hit 1,000,000, there was a 7 years, that that paper with the 7 years written on it was on my study table." }, { "end_time": "2:46", "start_time": "2:43", "text": "And behind it, it was, I'd written alpha m." }, { "end_time": "2:48", "start_time": "2:46", "text": "But you did it before but you did it before 7 years." }, { "end_time": "2:50", "start_time": "2:48", "text": "It was much faster." }, { "end_time": "2:50", "start_time": "2:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:53", "start_time": "2:50", "text": "That's that's the advantage of being in India." }, { "end_time": "2:55", "start_time": "2:53", "text": "You know, like, having, like, so many people." }, { "end_time": "2:59", "start_time": "2:56", "text": "But, man, I cannot explain to you." }, { "end_time": "3:00", "start_time": "2:59", "text": "It's not just me." }, { "end_time": "3:03", "start_time": "3:00", "text": "There's a lot of brown dudes out there who I've met." }, { "end_time": "3:06", "start_time": "3:03", "text": "You have no idea how many people your voice is reaching out to." }, { "end_time": "3:07", "start_time": "3:06", "text": "So how does that feel?" }, { "end_time": "3:08", "start_time": "3:07", "text": "Oh, man." }, { "end_time": "3:10", "start_time": "3:08", "text": "It you know, it's overwhelming, to be honest." }, { "end_time": "3:22", "start_time": "3:10", "text": "And that was something that, you know, YouTube and this whole platform and and realizing that you have the ability to affect so many people, it was it was almost scary for me when I realized it." }, { "end_time": "3:27", "start_time": "3:22", "text": "And and I've said this before, but I'll say it to you to, to your audience as well." }, { "end_time": "3:30", "start_time": "3:27", "text": "You know, YouTube has made me be a better person." }, { "end_time": "3:35", "start_time": "3:31", "text": "And, really, the reason is because I don't wanna let anybody down." }, { "end_time": "3:39", "start_time": "3:35", "text": "And, you know, it's very, very upsetting to me when I see these people that I admire." }, { "end_time": "3:48", "start_time": "3:39", "text": "And, you know, maybe they're celebrities or or people, you know, in in politics or whatever it may be that, you know, you have this this image of them." }, { "end_time": "3:55", "start_time": "3:48", "text": "And all of a sudden, they do something that totally, like, shatters your perspective of of of who they are, and it really lets you down." }, { "end_time": "4:07", "start_time": "3:55", "text": "And so YouTube has has made me realize that with this incredible voice, this incredible platform, I've got a responsibility, and I've got a responsibility not to not to let people down." }, { "end_time": "4:10", "start_time": "4:07", "text": "And so that, for me, required me to sort of walk the walk." }, { "end_time": "4:20", "start_time": "4:10", "text": "And so YouTube as as as a result, you know, indirectly caused me to be an an beneficial you know, it's a benefit, but it's caused me to be a better person." }, { "end_time": "4:22", "start_time": "4:20", "text": "And so, it's overwhelming, though." }, { "end_time": "4:24", "start_time": "4:22", "text": "I mean, realizing that, you know what?" }, { "end_time": "4:26", "start_time": "4:24", "text": "This is this is the opportunity I have." }, { "end_time": "4:35", "start_time": "4:27", "text": "The fact that people actually listen to me and and wanna hear what I have to say, it was very it was it was life changing for me, and, it it feels amazing." }, { "end_time": "4:38", "start_time": "4:35", "text": "But it's also a little bit scary because I just don't wanna screw things up." }, { "end_time": "4:39", "start_time": "4:38", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "4:44", "start_time": "4:40", "text": "Well, I I'm telling you, your army of fans believes in you completely, man." }, { "end_time": "4:52", "start_time": "4:44", "text": "Like, I have this big mentor, in my life who has always told me that Ranveer, you've gotta aim to create a 1,000 other Ranveers." }, { "end_time": "4:55", "start_time": "4:52", "text": "And as long as you do that, you'll have achieved your goal." }, { "end_time": "5:02", "start_time": "4:55", "text": "And I just wanna tell you, man, like, anything I'm doing through biceps, you have been a part of, like, the inspiration behind that." }, { "end_time": "5:08", "start_time": "5:02", "text": "So, on a personal level, you help give me a lot of confidence both as a YouTuber and just as a brother." }, { "end_time": "5:10", "start_time": "5:09", "text": "And okay." }, { "end_time": "5:14", "start_time": "5:10", "text": "For example, like, one quick example is that we're both, like, on the shorter side." }, { "end_time": "5:16", "start_time": "5:14", "text": "We're around the same height." }, { "end_time": "5:22", "start_time": "5:16", "text": "And I remember watching a video of you talking about how short guys, should dress and, you know, carry themselves." }, { "end_time": "5:23", "start_time": "5:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:30", "start_time": "5:23", "text": "Man, hearing you say that just kind of, it was like this explosion of confidence for all the short guys over the world." }, { "end_time": "5:31", "start_time": "5:31", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "5:46", "start_time": "5:31", "text": "So, BH, that's the one thing that that, you know, I hear from a lot of guys who were on the shorter side, and it always upset me to hear them talk about their height like it was some handicap or it was some, you know, some personality flaw or something." }, { "end_time": "5:49", "start_time": "5:46", "text": "I mean, being short is just a a characteristic." }, { "end_time": "5:50", "start_time": "5:49", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "5:52", "start_time": "5:50", "text": "And just because you're short, that shouldn't be an excuse." }, { "end_time": "6:01", "start_time": "5:52", "text": "And don't let it be an excuse in order to not go after your dreams or date the girl or date the guy or or accomplish and be successful and make a lot of money." }, { "end_time": "6:03", "start_time": "6:01", "text": "Like, being short has nothing to do with it." }, { "end_time": "6:09", "start_time": "6:03", "text": "It's just a characteristic of you, your personality or your your person, and and we're all beautiful and different in in different ways." }, { "end_time": "6:10", "start_time": "6:09", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "6:16", "start_time": "6:10", "text": "Everybody has insecurities, and, and I personally don't believe being short should be one of them." }, { "end_time": "6:22", "start_time": "6:16", "text": "And, and I've never let it interfere with my ability to go after my dreams and my goals and be successful." }, { "end_time": "6:30", "start_time": "6:22", "text": "And I just I hope that that through my sort of my experience and my being able to sort of talk about that and letting people know, hey." }, { "end_time": "6:30", "start_time": "6:30", "text": "Look." }, { "end_time": "6:31", "start_time": "6:30", "text": "I'm a short guy." }, { "end_time": "6:32", "start_time": "6:31", "text": "I'm confident." }, { "end_time": "6:33", "start_time": "6:32", "text": "You know, don't worry about it." }, { "end_time": "6:33", "start_time": "6:33", "text": "It's awesome." }, { "end_time": "6:35", "start_time": "6:33", "text": "Being short is amazing." }, { "end_time": "6:39", "start_time": "6:36", "text": "Hopefully, it helps, you know, other short dudes out there, around the world." }, { "end_time": "6:43", "start_time": "6:39", "text": "And so, apparently, you got a little boost of confidence, and and I love it." }, { "end_time": "6:43", "start_time": "6:43", "text": "I love it." }, { "end_time": "6:44", "start_time": "6:43", "text": "Love it." }, { "end_time": "6:44", "start_time": "6:44", "text": "Love it." }, { "end_time": "6:45", "start_time": "6:45", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "6:49", "start_time": "6:46", "text": "For those of you wondering, we're both about 5 6, 5 7." }, { "end_time": "6:50", "start_time": "6:49", "text": "5 6a half, man." }, { "end_time": "6:52", "start_time": "6:50", "text": "It's a very important half inch." }, { "end_time": "6:54", "start_time": "6:53", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "6:57", "start_time": "6:54", "text": "That's about, like, 170 centimeters for you European listeners." }, { "end_time": "7:03", "start_time": "6:57", "text": "And, the other thing I really wanna ask, Aaron, is that, now here's the thing." }, { "end_time": "7:08", "start_time": "7:03", "text": "After watching your channel, I definitely learned how to dress better, how to take better care of my grooming routine, all that." }, { "end_time": "7:14", "start_time": "7:08", "text": "But the other big kind of ability I gain is the ability of confidence to just go and talk to people." }, { "end_time": "7:24", "start_time": "7:14", "text": "And I believe that both when it comes to the women and when it comes to business, that's that one ability that just makes you, you know, it puts you in another league." }, { "end_time": "7:26", "start_time": "7:24", "text": "So, man, I wanna ask you." }, { "end_time": "7:29", "start_time": "7:26", "text": "Earlier, when you were way younger, I know you're you're you're alpha m now." }, { "end_time": "7:32", "start_time": "7:29", "text": "You're like the symbol of international confidence." }, { "end_time": "7:34", "start_time": "7:32", "text": "But back in the day Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:41", "start_time": "7:35", "text": "Back back in the day, did you ever let your height, you know, talk against you?" }, { "end_time": "7:46", "start_time": "7:41", "text": "Did you ever have a voice in your head that kind of chipped away, at your confidence levels?" }, { "end_time": "7:47", "start_time": "7:46", "text": "My height, no." }, { "end_time": "7:49", "start_time": "7:47", "text": "But other things, yes." }, { "end_time": "7:50", "start_time": "7:49", "text": "Like what?" }, { "end_time": "7:57", "start_time": "7:50", "text": "You know, it was, you know, I grew up, with, with an abusive or, actually, 2 abusive stepfathers." }, { "end_time": "8:12", "start_time": "7:58", "text": "And, and so from a very young age, I was very aware that I I needed well, I I don't know that I needed to, but one of the defense mechanisms was that I sort of shut down, and it interfered with my ability to sort of stand up for myself." }, { "end_time": "8:26", "start_time": "8:12", "text": "And so literally from the age of, like, 12 years old until I actually went and and sought help for myself through through counseling and talking to somebody, at the age of 24, I didn't have the ability to or the confidence to stand up for myself." }, { "end_time": "8:30", "start_time": "8:26", "text": "Confrontation scared the heck out of me." }, { "end_time": "8:43", "start_time": "8:30", "text": "And, you know, it wasn't it wasn't until I was 24 that I sort of embraced, you know, making sure that I I I had the tools in order to get over this because I realized that it was interfering with my ability and my life." }, { "end_time": "8:45", "start_time": "8:43", "text": "And so that was a that was a big issue." }, { "end_time": "8:53", "start_time": "8:46", "text": "Another confidence thing that I've I've dealt with personally is feeling inferior, intellectually." }, { "end_time": "9:00", "start_time": "8:54", "text": "And one of the reasons for that is because I am not somebody who who sits down and reads a lot of books." }, { "end_time": "9:12", "start_time": "9:00", "text": "And, in in this world that we operate in and and that we live, a lot of value is placed on people for, you know, the amount of knowledge that they acquire and the amount of of of books that they actually read." }, { "end_time": "9:21", "start_time": "9:13", "text": "And, and I never really enjoyed reading because I went to this special school that taught you how to spell based on phonics." }, { "end_time": "9:29", "start_time": "9:22", "text": "And it was you you would spell how the words would sound as opposed to how they really were really were, you know, spelled." }, { "end_time": "9:33", "start_time": "9:29", "text": "And this was something that, you know, for most kids, they're they have an easy ability to switch over." }, { "end_time": "9:36", "start_time": "9:33", "text": "And in kin or in 1st grade, I did not." }, { "end_time": "9:40", "start_time": "9:36", "text": "And so reading and spelling had always been something that I had struggled with." }, { "end_time": "9:42", "start_time": "9:40", "text": "Grammar and punctuation, I'm just not good at." }, { "end_time": "9:48", "start_time": "9:42", "text": "And so, that's another one of my big insecurities was the fact that I don't read very much." }, { "end_time": "9:51", "start_time": "9:48", "text": "I can read, and I read and consume a lot of content." }, { "end_time": "9:55", "start_time": "9:51", "text": "But in terms of, you know, when people would always ask me, oh, what's your favorite book?" }, { "end_time": "10:00", "start_time": "9:55", "text": "And and I would actually lie, for a long time until I sort of got comfortable in the fact that, you know what?" }, { "end_time": "10:03", "start_time": "10:00", "text": "Some people like to read, some people don't, and it it's okay." }, { "end_time": "10:05", "start_time": "10:03", "text": "And I sort of, you know, embrace that." }, { "end_time": "10:07", "start_time": "10:05", "text": "And, and so yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:08", "start_time": "10:07", "text": "So we we all have insecurities." }, { "end_time": "10:11", "start_time": "10:09", "text": "I think that's you know, you do, I do, we all do." }, { "end_time": "10:13", "start_time": "10:11", "text": "Everybody listening has insecurities." }, { "end_time": "10:18", "start_time": "10:14", "text": "And the funny thing about insecurities is that they're invisible oftentimes." }, { "end_time": "10:19", "start_time": "10:18", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "10:22", "start_time": "10:19", "text": "And so most people, you know, when you tell them, hey." }, { "end_time": "10:28", "start_time": "10:22", "text": "I'm insecure about this, or I'm insecure about that, or I don't like the size of my nose, or my ears stick out, they look at you and they go, what?" }, { "end_time": "10:31", "start_time": "10:28", "text": "Because they don't perceive this as a problem or a fault." }, { "end_time": "10:32", "start_time": "10:31", "text": "But it's it's funny." }, { "end_time": "10:34", "start_time": "10:32", "text": "But we are our own worst critics." }, { "end_time": "10:38", "start_time": "10:34", "text": "And so when we look in the mirrors, we see the £5 of extra body fat." }, { "end_time": "10:41", "start_time": "10:38", "text": "We see the little bit of man boobs that we might be rocking." }, { "end_time": "10:44", "start_time": "10:41", "text": "But to the outside world, we're perfect." }, { "end_time": "10:49", "start_time": "10:44", "text": "And and, you know So so, yeah, insecurity, it's definitely something that I've struggled with." }, { "end_time": "10:55", "start_time": "10:49", "text": "Mine have been obviously different than a lot of yours or or people listening, but I think we all have them." }, { "end_time": "10:56", "start_time": "10:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:56", "start_time": "10:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:56", "start_time": "10:56", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "10:59", "start_time": "10:56", "text": "Mine and I I think I'm still dealing with it today." }, { "end_time": "11:04", "start_time": "11:00", "text": "It's this fear of not making it as big as I wanna make it in life, man." }, { "end_time": "11:10", "start_time": "11:04", "text": "Like, I in I really, really wanna become the Jack Ma of India, the Elon of India." }, { "end_time": "11:17", "start_time": "11:10", "text": "And I I think I'm I'm on track with it, but, it's just one of those things that I'm trying to make peace with as I grow up." }, { "end_time": "11:28", "start_time": "11:18", "text": "Unfortunately, though, what you're falling into the trap that I think a lot of us do, and one of the downsides to social media is that, you know, that we compare ourselves to everybody else." }, { "end_time": "11:29", "start_time": "11:28", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "11:36", "start_time": "11:29", "text": "You are so far ahead of me of, when I was your rate, like, of so many people." }, { "end_time": "11:46", "start_time": "11:36", "text": "Like, you have taken it to the next level and your drive and motivation is such an inspiration, not only for me, but I'm sure everybody who watches you and consumes your content and meets you." }, { "end_time": "11:47", "start_time": "11:46", "text": "You know, you're you're inspiring." }, { "end_time": "12:00", "start_time": "11:47", "text": "And the fact that you had the ability and have the ability to change so many lives, you know, there's there's you're you're a success more more than most people ever would dream to accomplish in a lifetime already." }, { "end_time": "12:02", "start_time": "12:00", "text": "And so, don't don't be too hard on yourself." }, { "end_time": "12:07", "start_time": "12:02", "text": "But I understand that drive because you never wanna settle, and I'm the same same way." }, { "end_time": "12:08", "start_time": "12:07", "text": "And, it is." }, { "end_time": "12:14", "start_time": "12:08", "text": "It's scary to think about not achieving your destiny or or what you feel you're capable of." }, { "end_time": "12:18", "start_time": "12:16", "text": "That means a lot, man." }, { "end_time": "12:19", "start_time": "12:18", "text": "That's why you're alpha m." }, { "end_time": "12:28", "start_time": "12:19", "text": "But, if I had to ask you the origin story of this superhero image that you've built out, what would it be, man?" }, { "end_time": "12:31", "start_time": "12:28", "text": "What like, where did your origins happen?" }, { "end_time": "12:31", "start_time": "12:31", "text": "In the gym." }, { "end_time": "12:37", "start_time": "12:31", "text": "It all started at 12 years old when my mom gave me a fitness membership to a a gym and would drop me off after school." }, { "end_time": "12:39", "start_time": "12:37", "text": "That's where it all started." }, { "end_time": "12:44", "start_time": "12:39", "text": "Because even though I had not the greatest home life, I found savior." }, { "end_time": "12:45", "start_time": "12:44", "text": "I found my confidence." }, { "end_time": "12:46", "start_time": "12:45", "text": "I found my voice." }, { "end_time": "12:49", "start_time": "12:46", "text": "I found I found weightlifting, and I found a home." }, { "end_time": "12:58", "start_time": "12:49", "text": "And, and it was it was it was the gym that gave me my confidence and my courage, honestly, to continue to move forward and press forward." }, { "end_time": "13:04", "start_time": "12:58", "text": "You know, fast forward then, you know, for me, my life has been sort of different iterations." }, { "end_time": "13:18", "start_time": "13:04", "text": "One of the beautiful things about about my journey is that, you know, when I started YouTube back it was, like, 11 years ago or something of that nature, 11 or 12 years ago, you know, I was a little bit older than most people that start YouTube." }, { "end_time": "13:20", "start_time": "13:18", "text": "You know, I was, you know, in my thirties." }, { "end_time": "13:23", "start_time": "13:20", "text": "I had already had businesses that have failed." }, { "end_time": "13:27", "start_time": "13:23", "text": "I've had some successes, but the majority of my businesses up until that point were failures." }, { "end_time": "13:31", "start_time": "13:27", "text": "And so when I came to YouTube, I've already lived the life." }, { "end_time": "13:41", "start_time": "13:31", "text": "I've already had, you know, highs and lows and suffered, you know, tremendous loss and been completely, basically, at my darkest days and my lowest point." }, { "end_time": "13:44", "start_time": "13:41", "text": "And so everything has sort of been on the upswing since then." }, { "end_time": "13:56", "start_time": "13:44", "text": "And so when you've been as low as I have been in regards to business and professionally and emotionally, you know, it it and and you start to see a little bit of success and you start to see that people actually value your opinion." }, { "end_time": "14:03", "start_time": "13:57", "text": "For me now, what success looks like is is just being able to do what I love every day and to affect people and help them." }, { "end_time": "14:08", "start_time": "14:03", "text": "And I feel like if I'm able to do that, you know, that's that's ultimately what what I was put on this earth to do." }, { "end_time": "14:14", "start_time": "14:08", "text": "And so I'm gonna try and do that until until my time to, go to the big wardrobe in the sky." }, { "end_time": "14:16", "start_time": "14:15", "text": "Beautiful, man." }, { "end_time": "14:23", "start_time": "14:17", "text": "Do you feel that that dark phase was important in order to create you today?" }, { "end_time": "14:24", "start_time": "14:23", "text": "Like, do you look back and say, hey, man." }, { "end_time": "14:26", "start_time": "14:24", "text": "That's where I got built." }, { "end_time": "14:26", "start_time": "14:26", "text": "I wouldn't." }, { "end_time": "14:27", "start_time": "14:26", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "14:31", "start_time": "14:27", "text": "I think that's the dark times are the the times that define us." }, { "end_time": "14:32", "start_time": "14:31", "text": "It's not the successes." }, { "end_time": "14:32", "start_time": "14:32", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "14:36", "start_time": "14:32", "text": "When things are going great, when everything's working, that's like, okay." }, { "end_time": "14:36", "start_time": "14:36", "text": "Great." }, { "end_time": "14:36", "start_time": "14:36", "text": "Congratulations." }, { "end_time": "14:38", "start_time": "14:37", "text": "But it's those dark times." }, { "end_time": "14:43", "start_time": "14:38", "text": "It's the things that happen to us that aren't ideal that we've gotta figure out." }, { "end_time": "14:44", "start_time": "14:43", "text": "That's what builds our strength." }, { "end_time": "14:46", "start_time": "14:44", "text": "That's what builds our character and toughness." }, { "end_time": "15:08", "start_time": "14:46", "text": "And for me, growing up poor, you know, going through bankruptcy, having businesses fail, you know, losing my best friend, like, all of these things were were critical to my development as a person and critical to to me as an individual, basically, building my my toughness, my strength, and and ultimately getting comfortable in my own skin." }, { "end_time": "15:28", "start_time": "15:08", "text": "And so I I absolutely think that growing up poor is an advantage for those people, that don't look at their situation as the defining characteristic of who they are, but just use that as a tool and as motivation to pick themselves up and make something of themselves." }, { "end_time": "15:32", "start_time": "15:28", "text": "The dark times, I I think that they're critical for development." }, { "end_time": "15:33", "start_time": "15:33", "text": "Beautiful." }, { "end_time": "15:36", "start_time": "15:33", "text": "And what what are you up to right now in life?" }, { "end_time": "15:39", "start_time": "15:36", "text": "Like, other than the YouTube channel, what do you do?" }, { "end_time": "15:46", "start_time": "15:39", "text": "So so right now, I'm I'm in a I'm in a good point, but it's it's I'm I'm at a a sort of an inflection point for me personally." }, { "end_time": "15:51", "start_time": "15:46", "text": "I I have the YouTube channel, which has allowed me to open and run a few different businesses." }, { "end_time": "16:00", "start_time": "15:52", "text": "I have a, advertising agency called Menfluential Media, where we represent a bunch of different men's lifestyle influencers and and negotiate brand deals." }, { "end_time": "16:03", "start_time": "16:00", "text": "I started that with my best friend from high school, Terry." }, { "end_time": "16:08", "start_time": "16:03", "text": "And then I, started a hair product business back in 2013 called Pete and Pedro." }, { "end_time": "16:13", "start_time": "16:09", "text": "And then about 4 years ago, I started a men's skin care line called Tiege Hanley." }, { "end_time": "16:19", "start_time": "16:13", "text": "More recently than that, last year, I launched and developed a, custom sunglass company called Enemy." }, { "end_time": "16:31", "start_time": "16:19", "text": "And, and right now, I'm in the process of of starting another business where I'm a main, like, investor, and, it's actually gonna be a brick and mortar shop that, that is gonna be pretty sweet." }, { "end_time": "16:33", "start_time": "16:31", "text": "And I'll tell you a little bit more about that later." }, { "end_time": "16:35", "start_time": "16:33", "text": "I'm not really ready to divulge exactly what it is." }, { "end_time": "16:40", "start_time": "16:35", "text": "But so I got a short stuff going on and, just trying to stay healthy and happy." }, { "end_time": "16:47", "start_time": "16:41", "text": "Are you are you financially in a position where you can stop YouTubing if you want and just rely on these other businesses?" }, { "end_time": "16:48", "start_time": "16:47", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "16:49", "start_time": "16:48", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "16:50", "start_time": "16:49", "text": "But why do you choose not to?" }, { "end_time": "16:52", "start_time": "16:51", "text": "Oh, I love it." }, { "end_time": "16:54", "start_time": "16:52", "text": "I still do video editing." }, { "end_time": "16:57", "start_time": "16:54", "text": "Like, I, like, I get up in the morning thinking about my video." }, { "end_time": "17:04", "start_time": "16:57", "text": "I get excited to film my video, and and I still get that that excitement." }, { "end_time": "17:06", "start_time": "17:04", "text": "I get that nervous energy right before posting." }, { "end_time": "17:08", "start_time": "17:06", "text": "I love reading the comments." }, { "end_time": "17:14", "start_time": "17:08", "text": "It's what I was born to do, and so I would do it at I did it for 6 years without making any money." }, { "end_time": "17:24", "start_time": "17:14", "text": "I continue to do it, you know, if I I continue to do it even though I don't necessarily need the income in order to sustain myself or my or my family." }, { "end_time": "17:27", "start_time": "17:25", "text": "How do you come up with so much content?" }, { "end_time": "17:31", "start_time": "17:27", "text": "Like, you're you're the blueprint for a hardworking YouTuber." }, { "end_time": "17:33", "start_time": "17:31", "text": "How do you come up with so much content?" }, { "end_time": "17:34", "start_time": "17:33", "text": "So hard." }, { "end_time": "17:35", "start_time": "17:34", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "17:36", "start_time": "17:35", "text": "It's it's so hard." }, { "end_time": "17:39", "start_time": "17:36", "text": "You know, it's it's, you know, it's it's getting ideas." }, { "end_time": "17:40", "start_time": "17:39", "text": "It's thinking outside of the box." }, { "end_time": "17:46", "start_time": "17:40", "text": "But the other beautiful thing, when you've been doing it a long time like we have, you know, things change." }, { "end_time": "17:53", "start_time": "17:46", "text": "And so the g the video that I did 6 or 7 years ago about denim and jeans, the information is different." }, { "end_time": "18:00", "start_time": "17:53", "text": "And so it is about, you know, as we as as individuals and and creatures develop, our perspectives develop." }, { "end_time": "18:07", "start_time": "18:00", "text": "And so putting out new content based on old subjects also is something that I feel is is is critical." }, { "end_time": "18:11", "start_time": "18:07", "text": "And so there's there's always something to talk about in my opinion." }, { "end_time": "18:15", "start_time": "18:11", "text": "Now sometimes it's easier than others, but but just, you know, just thinking about it." }, { "end_time": "18:22", "start_time": "18:15", "text": "And and and I love the creative process and figuring out different angles to, you know, promote and advertise products." }, { "end_time": "18:24", "start_time": "18:22", "text": "And that honestly, I gotta be honest." }, { "end_time": "18:34", "start_time": "18:24", "text": "One of the reasons why I'm able to continue to put out as much content is because I have a lot of advertising that I do on these on these on these videos." }, { "end_time": "18:37", "start_time": "18:34", "text": "And so when you've got a brand that has a product and they say, okay." }, { "end_time": "18:45", "start_time": "18:37", "text": "This is the product, it forces me to be creative and think of different ways to integrate it into the topic that I'm talking about." }, { "end_time": "18:52", "start_time": "18:45", "text": "So advertising has actually been one of the reasons why I've been able to continue to generate as much creativity and content as I do." }, { "end_time": "18:56", "start_time": "18:53", "text": "I know I know you're someone who's super humble as a guy." }, { "end_time": "19:01", "start_time": "18:57", "text": "That's probably because of your upbringing and, you know, whatever you went through in your past." }, { "end_time": "19:05", "start_time": "19:01", "text": "So I I know for a fact that you're not the kind of person who takes this success for granted." }, { "end_time": "19:10", "start_time": "19:05", "text": "And my question to you is, man, the YouTuber life can be intense." }, { "end_time": "19:13", "start_time": "19:10", "text": "I've spoken to a lot of YouTubers from all over the world." }, { "end_time": "19:17", "start_time": "19:13", "text": "Lot of people dealing with mental health issues, you know, confidence issues." }, { "end_time": "19:19", "start_time": "19:17", "text": "Everyone thinks that, you know what?" }, { "end_time": "19:22", "start_time": "19:19", "text": "Probably tomorrow, all this might collapse, and then I don't know what I'm gonna do." }, { "end_time": "19:23", "start_time": "19:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:27", "start_time": "19:24", "text": "So when was the last time you had a phase like that?" }, { "end_time": "19:27", "start_time": "19:27", "text": "Yesterday." }, { "end_time": "19:29", "start_time": "19:27", "text": "Before you oh, okay." }, { "end_time": "19:30", "start_time": "19:29", "text": "Beautiful." }, { "end_time": "19:31", "start_time": "19:30", "text": "That." }, { "end_time": "19:32", "start_time": "19:31", "text": "Every day, I think that." }, { "end_time": "19:34", "start_time": "19:32", "text": "Every day, I I deal with these issues." }, { "end_time": "19:39", "start_time": "19:35", "text": "Now it it's and and and it's it's it's a constant battle." }, { "end_time": "19:43", "start_time": "19:40", "text": "It's a and and it's it's it's a battle with yourself." }, { "end_time": "19:50", "start_time": "19:43", "text": "It's a battle with your brain, just to stay level and, you know, to not freak out when views are bad." }, { "end_time": "19:59", "start_time": "19:50", "text": "You know, we're we're currently dealing with, you know, the day that we're recording this, we're still dealing with this this this international crisis, you know, with the quarantine and everything." }, { "end_time": "20:02", "start_time": "19:59", "text": "And and and it's affected a lot of a lot of things." }, { "end_time": "20:04", "start_time": "20:02", "text": "It's affected, you know, my YouTube views." }, { "end_time": "20:07", "start_time": "20:04", "text": "It's affected my my businesses in terms of sales." }, { "end_time": "20:08", "start_time": "20:08", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "20:22", "start_time": "20:08", "text": "And so so, yeah, I I had a I had a I actually had an anxiety attack about 2 weeks ago when I was driving, just thinking about sort of the magnitude and the fact that I've worked so hard to to do what I've done and to build what I've built." }, { "end_time": "20:26", "start_time": "20:23", "text": "And and the thought of not having control scares me." }, { "end_time": "20:30", "start_time": "20:26", "text": "I'm a control freak to some degree, and I think you probably are as well." }, { "end_time": "20:41", "start_time": "20:30", "text": "And and and so, you know, so so feeling out of control and feeling like I don't have control or my hands around this situation just just really frightened me." }, { "end_time": "20:44", "start_time": "20:41", "text": "And I I had a moment, and I got through it." }, { "end_time": "20:45", "start_time": "20:44", "text": "I I breathe deeply." }, { "end_time": "20:49", "start_time": "20:45", "text": "I meditated a little bit and and, sort of thought, okay." }, { "end_time": "20:55", "start_time": "20:49", "text": "There's nothing I can do to change this, but what I can do is focus on myself and work and be disciplined." }, { "end_time": "20:59", "start_time": "20:55", "text": "And that, for me, helps me get through the hard times getting back to work." }, { "end_time": "21:00", "start_time": "21:00", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "21:05", "start_time": "21:00", "text": "I my my question to you was gonna be how did you pull yourself out of it, but you answered it pretty much." }, { "end_time": "21:10", "start_time": "21:06", "text": "I I once had one of these anxiety attacks recently about a month ago." }, { "end_time": "21:14", "start_time": "21:10", "text": "I was with another mentor of mine, and he told I told him that, you know what?" }, { "end_time": "21:16", "start_time": "21:14", "text": "I want this to be my MVP season." }, { "end_time": "21:17", "start_time": "21:16", "text": "I've had one bad year." }, { "end_time": "21:18", "start_time": "21:18", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "21:25", "start_time": "21:18", "text": "So I was trying to I was trying to set up my own media company for the last 2 years, and I felt like this last 1 year was my last year when I wanted to be hands on with it." }, { "end_time": "21:26", "start_time": "21:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:26", "start_time": "21:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:30", "start_time": "21:26", "text": "Now I wanted to I wanted to start focusing on my YouTube game again from this year onwards." }, { "end_time": "21:33", "start_time": "21:31", "text": "And I told him that, you know, I'm I'm gonna be the MVP this year." }, { "end_time": "21:33", "start_time": "21:33", "text": "I'm good." }, { "end_time": "21:35", "start_time": "21:33", "text": "This is gonna be my year." }, { "end_time": "21:43", "start_time": "21:35", "text": "And he told me that it's great to have hopes and ambitions like that, but no MVP decides that this season's gonna be my MVP season." }, { "end_time": "21:47", "start_time": "21:43", "text": "And MVP only preps himself to play well in one game." }, { "end_time": "21:49", "start_time": "21:47", "text": "So, you take one day at a time." }, { "end_time": "21:50", "start_time": "21:49", "text": "You take one game at a time." }, { "end_time": "21:56", "start_time": "21:50", "text": "And I think at the end of the day, you gotta trust yourself with, the fact that you brought it from point a to point zed." }, { "end_time": "21:59", "start_time": "21:57", "text": "So you'll definitely be able to take it further." }, { "end_time": "22:09", "start_time": "21:59", "text": "And I also just wanna add here that, man, Aron, like, if you get out in a mall in Delhi or Mumbai or Bangalore, you will be mobbed." }, { "end_time": "22:11", "start_time": "22:09", "text": "That's your level of fame in this country." }, { "end_time": "22:13", "start_time": "22:12", "text": "I can tell you for a fact." }, { "end_time": "22:13", "start_time": "22:13", "text": "A place." }, { "end_time": "22:15", "start_time": "22:13", "text": "I need to come and see you." }, { "end_time": "22:33", "start_time": "22:16", "text": "You're you're always you're always welcome in India, but, I I can tell you for sometime when we start to travel again, I I do wanna actually come because I I do see all the comments, on my videos, from from gentlemen in, in your neck of the woods, and and I need to come and say, hey." }, { "end_time": "22:40", "start_time": "22:33", "text": "I mean, it really is is amazing, the support and the love that I've received, And so I definitely know that I need to come over." }, { "end_time": "22:42", "start_time": "22:41", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "22:46", "start_time": "22:42", "text": "When you were starting out, did you think that you'd be talking to this part of the world as well?" }, { "end_time": "22:47", "start_time": "22:46", "text": "Like, did you have that vision?" }, { "end_time": "22:49", "start_time": "22:47", "text": "I didn't know when I started." }, { "end_time": "22:52", "start_time": "22:49", "text": "If I'm being completely honest, I didn't know that anybody would listen or watch." }, { "end_time": "23:01", "start_time": "22:53", "text": "This was back in 2008 when I started my channel, and so I had no concept of of of what really YouTube was." }, { "end_time": "23:03", "start_time": "23:01", "text": "This is before anybody was making any money." }, { "end_time": "23:05", "start_time": "23:03", "text": "It was just a place to upload a video." }, { "end_time": "23:16", "start_time": "23:05", "text": "I didn't understand what a subscriber was, and and, really, what what hooked me on this platform was on that first video, I I basically got a comment from a gentleman." }, { "end_time": "23:16", "start_time": "23:16", "text": "Said, hey." }, { "end_time": "23:17", "start_time": "23:16", "text": "I'm a big guy." }, { "end_time": "23:18", "start_time": "23:17", "text": "I don't know what to wear." }, { "end_time": "23:19", "start_time": "23:18", "text": "Can you help me out?" }, { "end_time": "23:26", "start_time": "23:19", "text": "So the second video, next day, I'm filming a video about what to wear if you're a heavyset guy, and it was at that moment that I that I was hooked." }, { "end_time": "23:30", "start_time": "23:26", "text": "But I I had no idea really what YouTube was all about when I started." }, { "end_time": "23:34", "start_time": "23:30", "text": "So, no, I never envisioned this at all." }, { "end_time": "23:38", "start_time": "23:35", "text": "It's been 12 years since you're doing this." }, { "end_time": "23:44", "start_time": "23:39", "text": "So where do you think YouTube is gonna be in 2,032, and what do you think you'll be doing 12 years from now?" }, { "end_time": "23:48", "start_time": "23:44", "text": "You know, 5 year plans have never worked out for me, so I don't make them." }, { "end_time": "23:53", "start_time": "23:49", "text": "I don't know I I've never I don't allow myself to really think far in advance." }, { "end_time": "23:58", "start_time": "23:54", "text": "I, man, I don't have any idea." }, { "end_time": "24:02", "start_time": "23:58", "text": "It's changed so much in the past 10 years, in the past 5." }, { "end_time": "24:07", "start_time": "24:02", "text": "It YouTube has changed in the past 2 years drastically, and so I'm not sure." }, { "end_time": "24:09", "start_time": "24:07", "text": "I think I definitely will still be making videos." }, { "end_time": "24:11", "start_time": "24:09", "text": "I don't know to what frequency." }, { "end_time": "24:23", "start_time": "24:11", "text": "I don't know what the content will revolve around, but, but I'm confident that in 10 years, God willing, I will I will still be healthy enough to to do this and still have a passion to help people." }, { "end_time": "24:25", "start_time": "24:23", "text": "And and so I think I'll still be making YouTube videos." }, { "end_time": "24:28", "start_time": "24:25", "text": "In terms of what the platform looks like, I have no idea." }, { "end_time": "24:30", "start_time": "24:29", "text": "Do you believe in God, Aaron?" }, { "end_time": "24:31", "start_time": "24:30", "text": "I do." }, { "end_time": "24:34", "start_time": "24:32", "text": "And, like, what's the origin story of that?" }, { "end_time": "24:36", "start_time": "24:34", "text": "Like, is it an is it a childhood thing?" }, { "end_time": "24:40", "start_time": "24:36", "text": "Because I didn't believe in God in my childhood, and it's something that kind of came into my life a little later." }, { "end_time": "24:41", "start_time": "24:41", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "24:50", "start_time": "24:41", "text": "It it's, you know, it's funny because, I you know, what what spirituality means to me is different than what it means to probably a lot of people." }, { "end_time": "24:56", "start_time": "24:50", "text": "In terms of an organized religion, I I do not practice one specific religion." }, { "end_time": "25:05", "start_time": "24:57", "text": "My my family is Italian Catholic, and so, you know, growing up, everybody in my family was very, very Catholic." }, { "end_time": "25:09", "start_time": "25:05", "text": "And so, you know, going to mass, going to, you know, church, and everything was was very important." }, { "end_time": "25:21", "start_time": "25:09", "text": "My mother, on the other hand, she was more of, like, a hippie, a free spirit, and she did not want me to basically be, locked into the ideologies of an organized religion." }, { "end_time": "25:23", "start_time": "25:21", "text": "She wanted me to sort of discover things on my own." }, { "end_time": "25:31", "start_time": "25:25", "text": "And my father is actually a Buddhist, and so from the age of, like, 12, he started practicing Buddhism." }, { "end_time": "25:43", "start_time": "25:32", "text": "And so I have seen and then then I I started long story short, I started researching different world religions just for my personal, you know, interest." }, { "end_time": "25:51", "start_time": "25:43", "text": "I I was interested to see, you know, well, there are all these different religions, and are they really honestly, like, kind of saying the same thing, just using different, you know, names for things?" }, { "end_time": "25:53", "start_time": "25:51", "text": "And so I was very interested in religion." }, { "end_time": "26:01", "start_time": "25:54", "text": "And so, you know, theology and and, iconology is all something that I'm very interested in." }, { "end_time": "26:15", "start_time": "26:02", "text": "I do have a I feel a very, you know, personal connection with, with my god, and, and I think that that is a a a big part of my life and and something that I I believe in." }, { "end_time": "26:18", "start_time": "26:15", "text": "What it means, do I think that he's sitting on a big chair up there?" }, { "end_time": "26:19", "start_time": "26:18", "text": "You know, I don't." }, { "end_time": "26:22", "start_time": "26:21", "text": "But, you know, I do believe." }, { "end_time": "26:32", "start_time": "26:23", "text": "Have you had experiences in your life where you your strength in God has, like, increased after having a certain experience?" }, { "end_time": "26:35", "start_time": "26:34", "text": "Not really." }, { "end_time": "26:46", "start_time": "26:35", "text": "And the reason why I say that is because every time I was going through something really bad, you know, like, whether or not it's my business failing, I I would pray really hard." }, { "end_time": "26:46", "start_time": "26:46", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "26:47", "start_time": "26:46", "text": "Oh, god." }, { "end_time": "26:49", "start_time": "26:47", "text": "Please, just let me get through this." }, { "end_time": "26:51", "start_time": "26:49", "text": "Oh, please, let me, you know, let me figure this out." }, { "end_time": "26:53", "start_time": "26:51", "text": "Oh, please, please, please, please, please, Please." }, { "end_time": "26:58", "start_time": "26:53", "text": "And when when it didn't work out the way that I thought it should, I get upset and I get mad." }, { "end_time": "27:04", "start_time": "26:59", "text": "I'd be like, Well, if there's really Or then some, you know Then you see people dying or or loved ones." }, { "end_time": "27:06", "start_time": "27:04", "text": "My my wife's brother passed away at the age of 44." }, { "end_time": "27:08", "start_time": "27:06", "text": "You know, you you see these things." }, { "end_time": "27:11", "start_time": "27:08", "text": "It's like, well, if there was a god, like, why would this happen?" }, { "end_time": "27:22", "start_time": "27:11", "text": "You know, but but I think that was a much more, like to to answer the question, no, but yes." }, { "end_time": "27:31", "start_time": "27:22", "text": "At the time when I'm trying to utilize my spirituality in order to get something for myself, it hasn't worked, and I would get upset." }, { "end_time": "28:02", "start_time": "27:32", "text": "But it was in retrospect and only in in, you know, later perspective that you're able to realize that the best thing that was happening, if there is something else in a higher power that is sort of directing and and helping and and sort of guiding you on this journey that is life, he he, she, whatever the you your perception of of, you know, higher power is, definitely had a plan a a plan in place and and gave me what I needed, not what I wanted." }, { "end_time": "28:06", "start_time": "28:03", "text": "And so if that makes sense at all." }, { "end_time": "28:06", "start_time": "28:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:07", "start_time": "28:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:07", "start_time": "28:07", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "28:08", "start_time": "28:07", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "28:16", "start_time": "28:09", "text": "Do you do you now look back at those moments and say that, oh, this is what God was trying to tell me." }, { "end_time": "28:16", "start_time": "28:16", "text": "Oh, okay." }, { "end_time": "28:17", "start_time": "28:16", "text": "This is what." }, { "end_time": "28:18", "start_time": "28:18", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "28:19", "start_time": "28:18", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:21", "start_time": "28:19", "text": "And and that's the beautiful thing about hindsight." }, { "end_time": "28:22", "start_time": "28:21", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "28:22", "start_time": "28:22", "text": "You can Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:23", "start_time": "28:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:24", "start_time": "28:23", "text": "It's super crystal clear." }, { "end_time": "28:34", "start_time": "28:24", "text": "But at the time, you're so busy being scared and hopeless and helpless and and fearful that you don't have the ability to sort of see through, see what do they say?" }, { "end_time": "28:37", "start_time": "28:34", "text": "See the forest see the trees for the forest or whatever that saying is." }, { "end_time": "28:40", "start_time": "28:37", "text": "And so, yeah, it's been it's been a journey." }, { "end_time": "28:41", "start_time": "28:40", "text": "It's been a journey for sure." }, { "end_time": "28:49", "start_time": "28:42", "text": "I I invite you to India to experience, like, the spiritual aspects of this country, man." }, { "end_time": "28:52", "start_time": "28:49", "text": "Like, at some point in your life, definitely make a trip to the Himalayas." }, { "end_time": "29:02", "start_time": "28:52", "text": "You'll and it's not from, like, a religious perspective or, you know, it's nothing, it's nothing ritualistic, but, I feel a lot of people go deeper into themselves." }, { "end_time": "29:07", "start_time": "29:02", "text": "They they become super self aware when they spend time in certain parts of this country." }, { "end_time": "29:08", "start_time": "29:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:13", "start_time": "29:08", "text": "And that's the big And and and another like, when I feel like, I feel closest to, like, to God." }, { "end_time": "29:28", "start_time": "29:13", "text": "And when when I'm in nature and when I see things that are beautiful, when I see the humanity in people, like, these are the situations and and and and environments where I feel the closest and and really feel the presence of of a higher power." }, { "end_time": "29:30", "start_time": "29:28", "text": "And so, no." }, { "end_time": "29:32", "start_time": "29:30", "text": "I I I I know exactly what you're talking about." }, { "end_time": "29:34", "start_time": "29:32", "text": "I I watched a documentary recently." }, { "end_time": "29:42", "start_time": "29:35", "text": "I love music documentaries, and I believe it was George Harrison from the Beatles who came and and did did he come he came to India." }, { "end_time": "29:43", "start_time": "29:42", "text": "Correct?" }, { "end_time": "29:44", "start_time": "29:43", "text": "All the Beatles came to India." }, { "end_time": "29:46", "start_time": "29:44", "text": "They made a place called Rishikesh." }, { "end_time": "29:56", "start_time": "29:46", "text": "But he was the one who really, like, embraced it to, like like, just the next level and, and, you know, with the yoga and the meditation and all that." }, { "end_time": "30:03", "start_time": "29:56", "text": "And so it's been, yeah, I I'm I'm familiar and and understand that that is something that I I probably should do in some in in the future." }, { "end_time": "30:08", "start_time": "30:04", "text": "I I think it will happen to you, and, hopefully, we'll do that trip together." }, { "end_time": "30:09", "start_time": "30:08", "text": "Excellent." }, { "end_time": "30:11", "start_time": "30:09", "text": "But I need a tour I need a tour guide." }, { "end_time": "30:13", "start_time": "30:11", "text": "Somebody show me the key." }, { "end_time": "30:16", "start_time": "30:14", "text": "I would I would love to be that guy." }, { "end_time": "30:25", "start_time": "30:17", "text": "I wanna change up gears completely, and I wanna ask you about the best and worst aspect of your Shark Tank experience." }, { "end_time": "30:30", "start_time": "30:27", "text": "When you did that whole thing, I think you've been on it twice." }, { "end_time": "30:30", "start_time": "30:30", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "30:36", "start_time": "30:30", "text": "So just encapsulating both those incidents, what was your best and worst aspects of it?" }, { "end_time": "30:47", "start_time": "30:37", "text": "The best aspect of the Shark Tank experience was just the process of of being out there in California and filming the the episodes." }, { "end_time": "30:56", "start_time": "30:48", "text": "Because we make YouTube videos, that was the first time I really saw, like, the production and the behind the scenes, and so that was, like, my Super Bowl." }, { "end_time": "31:05", "start_time": "30:57", "text": "And, and so, I the the best part about it was just going out there and being a part of it and meeting all of these other entrepreneurs." }, { "end_time": "31:13", "start_time": "31:05", "text": "Because one of the aspects to Shark Tank that you don't realize is that they film, like, half of the season within, like, a 1 week period." }, { "end_time": "31:18", "start_time": "31:13", "text": "And all of the entrepreneurs that you see, they're all staying at this one hotel." }, { "end_time": "31:23", "start_time": "31:19", "text": "And so you get to actually like, everybody at this hotel is an entrepreneur going on Shark Tank." }, { "end_time": "31:29", "start_time": "31:23", "text": "And so the first time I was on, the thing that was so surprising to me was how smart so many people were." }, { "end_time": "31:36", "start_time": "31:29", "text": "And and just being able to be around that many, you know, creative entrepreneurs was nothing I've ever experienced before." }, { "end_time": "31:41", "start_time": "31:36", "text": "I think one of the unfortunate realities of being an entrepreneur is that it's lonely." }, { "end_time": "31:43", "start_time": "31:41", "text": "It's a lonely journey oftentimes." }, { "end_time": "31:50", "start_time": "31:43", "text": "And if you don't have business partners, if you don't have, you know, people on your team, especially when you're starting out, it's it's a solo thing." }, { "end_time": "31:57", "start_time": "31:51", "text": "And so not having the ability or people to actually commiserate with or to share the highs and the lows." }, { "end_time": "32:02", "start_time": "31:57", "text": "And talking to your friends who are not entrepreneurs, they don't understand what you're dealing with or what you're going through exactly." }, { "end_time": "32:07", "start_time": "32:03", "text": "They can relate, but they can't necessarily understand." }, { "end_time": "32:14", "start_time": "32:07", "text": "And so going out there and just being immersed in a sea of entrepreneurship and creativity, that was the best part." }, { "end_time": "32:19", "start_time": "32:15", "text": "The worst part about Shark Tank was, let's see." }, { "end_time": "32:21", "start_time": "32:19", "text": "What was the worst part about Shark Tank?" }, { "end_time": "32:27", "start_time": "32:22", "text": "You know, I think it's it's it's it's the it's the decompression afterwards." }, { "end_time": "32:29", "start_time": "32:27", "text": "It's a huge letdown." }, { "end_time": "32:32", "start_time": "32:30", "text": "For me, it was actually the first time I was on." }, { "end_time": "32:39", "start_time": "32:33", "text": "I didn't get a deal the first time, but I was sure that I was gonna be able to sell a lot of, you know, my my product, which was the Alpha m style system." }, { "end_time": "32:50", "start_time": "32:40", "text": "And, when that didn't happen, and, the 1st night it aired, I sold 1 style system after the anticipation had been built up for months months months." }, { "end_time": "32:51", "start_time": "32:50", "text": "That was very hard emotionally." }, { "end_time": "32:54", "start_time": "32:52", "text": "I I think I got depressed for probably a few days." }, { "end_time": "33:00", "start_time": "32:55", "text": "I I shouldn't say I was depressed because I wasn't technically depressed, but I was upset, and I was a little bit bummed out." }, { "end_time": "33:01", "start_time": "33:00", "text": "Mean, completely judgment." }, { "end_time": "33:02", "start_time": "33:01", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:03", "start_time": "33:02", "text": "It was it was it was hard for me." }, { "end_time": "33:07", "start_time": "33:04", "text": "But those were the 2 high that was the high and the low of of the experience." }, { "end_time": "33:08", "start_time": "33:07", "text": "It was amazing, though." }, { "end_time": "33:10", "start_time": "33:08", "text": "I loved I loved both times." }, { "end_time": "33:18", "start_time": "33:11", "text": "I really and this is something I've wanted to ask you for a while, probably since I began watching your channel." }, { "end_time": "33:19", "start_time": "33:18", "text": "What are you working towards?" }, { "end_time": "33:21", "start_time": "33:20", "text": "What's your end goal?" }, { "end_time": "33:25", "start_time": "33:23", "text": "That's something I'm trying to figure out." }, { "end_time": "33:29", "start_time": "33:25", "text": "And I'm being complete I and and I I know that it sounds like a cop out." }, { "end_time": "33:31", "start_time": "33:30", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "33:37", "start_time": "33:33", "text": "You know, I think for me, I've got different goals for my businesses." }, { "end_time": "33:39", "start_time": "33:37", "text": "YouTube, I don't really have a goal." }, { "end_time": "33:53", "start_time": "33:39", "text": "There's not really this, like, you know, oh, once I reach this this point in terms of subscribers, once I reach this, 10 like, there there's not really that, like, that that point at which I'm thinking, oh, once I reach this, then, like, that's it." }, { "end_time": "33:56", "start_time": "33:54", "text": "That's sort of an ongoing thing." }, { "end_time": "33:59", "start_time": "33:56", "text": "But for my businesses, I do have goals, but my goals are, you know, annually." }, { "end_time": "34:07", "start_time": "34:00", "text": "You know, I wanna, you know, I wanna do better than I did the the year before, you know, hiring new people and and, you know, getting over different benchmarks." }, { "end_time": "34:11", "start_time": "34:07", "text": "And so professionally, I have, you know, financial goals." }, { "end_time": "34:16", "start_time": "34:12", "text": "But in terms of of of ultimately what I want, I just wanna be happy." }, { "end_time": "34:21", "start_time": "34:16", "text": "And I know that sounds like a cop out, but it's not." }, { "end_time": "34:26", "start_time": "34:21", "text": "Truly, I I love what I'm doing, and I hope that I can continue to do this as long as I'm able to." }, { "end_time": "34:33", "start_time": "34:26", "text": "And I think that the direction, will will show itself to me when when I'm supposed to see it." }, { "end_time": "34:41", "start_time": "34:33", "text": "And right now, I just am focused on on achieving small incremental goals with each of my my businesses, small baby steps." }, { "end_time": "34:48", "start_time": "34:41", "text": "And, you know, I don't I don't care to be the Elon Musk of of of of of of my state of Georgia." }, { "end_time": "34:50", "start_time": "34:48", "text": "I just I don't have that." }, { "end_time": "34:54", "start_time": "34:50", "text": "I just wanna be viewed as a successful entrepreneur, and I wanna feel personally fulfilled." }, { "end_time": "34:58", "start_time": "34:55", "text": "And, and so if I I can accomplish that, I I I I've accomplished that." }, { "end_time": "35:03", "start_time": "34:58", "text": "I wanna continue to accomplish that and just take it, you know, to the next level." }, { "end_time": "35:05", "start_time": "35:04", "text": "So here's how I look at you." }, { "end_time": "35:08", "start_time": "35:05", "text": "I think people already view you as a successful entrepreneur." }, { "end_time": "35:13", "start_time": "35:09", "text": "Financially, I mean, people view you as, like, this master entrepreneur." }, { "end_time": "35:18", "start_time": "35:14", "text": "But most of all, I think it's the impact you're creating all over the world." }, { "end_time": "35:19", "start_time": "35:18", "text": "It's not just in your country." }, { "end_time": "35:29", "start_time": "35:20", "text": "Like, I think that's something, again, this comes from your humility that you're not able to digest that, but you have no idea about the kind of confidence you're spreading all over the world." }, { "end_time": "35:38", "start_time": "35:29", "text": "So I think you're achieving your goals every day, and you're probably someone who just wants to reachieve it every single day and keep it going, just like a true entrepreneur." }, { "end_time": "35:40", "start_time": "35:38", "text": "And it helps me." }, { "end_time": "35:50", "start_time": "35:40", "text": "I mean, honestly, it's these little it's these little momentary sort of glimpses of of happiness and success and seeing that you're making a difference, like, that helps me and fuels me." }, { "end_time": "35:58", "start_time": "35:50", "text": "I mean, the reason why, you know, I am as as fulfilled as I am is because I do have the ability to get feedback from people." }, { "end_time": "36:03", "start_time": "35:58", "text": "And and I do realize, and I get the emails, that I am making a difference in some lives." }, { "end_time": "36:08", "start_time": "36:03", "text": "And so for me, I don't think there's any bigger purpose is to to help people." }, { "end_time": "36:12", "start_time": "36:09", "text": "And, and so, I'm able to do that, and so I feel good." }, { "end_time": "36:16", "start_time": "36:12", "text": "You know, the fact that I can make a living doing it as well is is just a bonus." }, { "end_time": "36:21", "start_time": "36:17", "text": "Because you're an entrepreneur, I'm dead sure you're very self aware." }, { "end_time": "36:26", "start_time": "36:22", "text": "What's your biggest strength and weakness in life, professionally speaking?" }, { "end_time": "36:29", "start_time": "36:26", "text": "Professionally speaking, my I know my weakness." }, { "end_time": "36:32", "start_time": "36:30", "text": "I know I've got a lot of weaknesses." }, { "end_time": "36:39", "start_time": "36:33", "text": "My my biggest weakness is is myself in terms of getting out of my own way." }, { "end_time": "36:43", "start_time": "36:39", "text": "I hold myself back because I am resistant to change." }, { "end_time": "36:46", "start_time": "36:44", "text": "I am a creature of habit." }, { "end_time": "36:47", "start_time": "36:46", "text": "I like routine." }, { "end_time": "36:49", "start_time": "36:47", "text": "I like to be safe." }, { "end_time": "36:56", "start_time": "36:49", "text": "And one of the I think that is also sort of a a unintended consequence of my upbringing." }, { "end_time": "37:03", "start_time": "36:56", "text": "You know, growing up poor, growing up in abusive, you know, family situations, I wanna stay in my cocoon." }, { "end_time": "37:11", "start_time": "37:03", "text": "If I'm happy, if I'm safe right here, if I've got enough, if I'm safe, if I understand and feel I can control my current environment, I'm gonna stay here." }, { "end_time": "37:17", "start_time": "37:12", "text": "But unfortunately, as you know, you can't grow without taking risks and getting uncomfortable." }, { "end_time": "37:26", "start_time": "37:18", "text": "And so for me, it's pushing myself and being aware that I need to push myself in order to get out of this this comfort zone that I'm in." }, { "end_time": "37:40", "start_time": "37:26", "text": "And my best decisions, financial decisions, have been the ones that I was scared just to make, Hiring people, taking risks, taking chances, those have been ultimately the most beneficial, but they were the scariest for me." }, { "end_time": "37:43", "start_time": "37:40", "text": "And so for me, I am not good at at being uncomfortable." }, { "end_time": "37:46", "start_time": "37:44", "text": "And so that's probably one of my biggest weaknesses." }, { "end_time": "37:50", "start_time": "37:47", "text": "The other weakness I have is I'm a control freak." }, { "end_time": "37:59", "start_time": "37:50", "text": "I I I I I even though I understand I'm not good at a lot of things, for me, giving up power and control is not easy." }, { "end_time": "38:01", "start_time": "37:59", "text": "It doesn't come easy." }, { "end_time": "38:05", "start_time": "38:01", "text": "It's come easier in the past few years as I've seen that, hey." }, { "end_time": "38:12", "start_time": "38:05", "text": "If I can get this off of my plate, if I can give something that I'm not great at or I don't love doing to this person, they can run with it." }, { "end_time": "38:13", "start_time": "38:12", "text": "They love doing it." }, { "end_time": "38:19", "start_time": "38:13", "text": "I can do just what I love doing, which is create content and sort of being higher level, then then then then great." }, { "end_time": "38:22", "start_time": "38:19", "text": "It moves the needle and it raises the ocean for me." }, { "end_time": "38:26", "start_time": "38:23", "text": "And so, you know, that's another another aspect." }, { "end_time": "38:34", "start_time": "38:26", "text": "But in terms of strength, I think my strength is my ability to work really hard and stay focused even when things aren't fun or sexy or exciting." }, { "end_time": "38:40", "start_time": "38:35", "text": "Do you think that's the one thing you've done right in this whole AlphaM entrepreneurship journey?" }, { "end_time": "38:41", "start_time": "38:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "38:48", "start_time": "38:41", "text": "I've I've I've you know, there there's another there's another strength that I have, and that is as I'm not scared to fail." }, { "end_time": "38:58", "start_time": "38:49", "text": "Because when you failed as bad as I failed and been as low as I have, You know, it's like, what's the worst thing that happens?" }, { "end_time": "39:01", "start_time": "38:58", "text": "If I try this if I wanna try this and it doesn't work out, what's the worst thing?" }, { "end_time": "39:03", "start_time": "39:01", "text": "I'm gonna be driving a beer cart." }, { "end_time": "39:04", "start_time": "39:03", "text": "I'm gonna be bankrupt." }, { "end_time": "39:04", "start_time": "39:04", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "39:06", "start_time": "39:04", "text": "I've already done that, and I've survived." }, { "end_time": "39:10", "start_time": "39:06", "text": "And so my willingness to take chances and risks calculated, though." }, { "end_time": "39:12", "start_time": "39:10", "text": "I don't just run into things blind." }, { "end_time": "39:15", "start_time": "39:13", "text": "You know, I have learned a lot over the years." }, { "end_time": "39:17", "start_time": "39:15", "text": "I've had a lot of, you know, failures." }, { "end_time": "39:18", "start_time": "39:17", "text": "I've had some successes." }, { "end_time": "39:29", "start_time": "39:18", "text": "But as a result of the collective, it's allowed me to sort of be willing to put myself out there without the fear of of failure." }, { "end_time": "39:32", "start_time": "39:29", "text": "Failure sucks regardless of when it happens, how it happens." }, { "end_time": "39:34", "start_time": "39:32", "text": "It sucks, but it's going to happen." }, { "end_time": "39:42", "start_time": "39:34", "text": "And if you truly are going to be successful, it's gonna happen a lot, honestly, because I think you're going to constantly be trying and doing iterations of different things." }, { "end_time": "39:44", "start_time": "39:43", "text": "And so so yeah." }, { "end_time": "39:51", "start_time": "39:44", "text": "So just the ability to not to not take it too personally and be scared to fail, that's another one of my strengths." }, { "end_time": "39:52", "start_time": "39:52", "text": "Beautiful." }, { "end_time": "39:56", "start_time": "39:53", "text": "So I kind of gotta change gears here, but it's in that same mode." }, { "end_time": "40:04", "start_time": "39:56", "text": "Because you saw bankruptcy kind of early in life, I'm sure that's affected your viewpoint on money." }, { "end_time": "40:06", "start_time": "40:04", "text": "So what do you do with your money right now?" }, { "end_time": "40:09", "start_time": "40:06", "text": "And this I'm not I'm not asking Aaron Marino, the entrepreneur." }, { "end_time": "40:11", "start_time": "40:09", "text": "I'm asking Aaron Marino, the brother." }, { "end_time": "40:12", "start_time": "40:11", "text": "Like, how do you take care of your money?" }, { "end_time": "40:14", "start_time": "40:12", "text": "Specifically, where do you invest it?" }, { "end_time": "40:16", "start_time": "40:14", "text": "How do you ensure that it's gonna keep multiplying?" }, { "end_time": "40:30", "start_time": "40:17", "text": "So so for me, I don't have any debt, and that is something where, when I went through bankruptcy, when I was starting my image consulting business, debt was a it killed me." }, { "end_time": "40:35", "start_time": "40:30", "text": "It was it was it was it was just it was a it it killed your creativity." }, { "end_time": "40:37", "start_time": "40:35", "text": "It killed killed your joy." }, { "end_time": "40:43", "start_time": "40:37", "text": "It killed my my passion for life being in debt and being worried about how I was gonna pay my bills." }, { "end_time": "40:49", "start_time": "40:43", "text": "And and, and so so I swore that once that bankruptcy happened, I would never have debt again, and so I I haven't." }, { "end_time": "40:52", "start_time": "40:49", "text": "And so all of my businesses are self funded." }, { "end_time": "40:58", "start_time": "40:52", "text": "Never raised any money, never taken any debt, and so that's one thing." }, { "end_time": "41:00", "start_time": "40:58", "text": "I also pay for things in cash, pay them off." }, { "end_time": "41:02", "start_time": "41:00", "text": "So I don't have I don't have mortgages." }, { "end_time": "41:06", "start_time": "41:02", "text": "I don't have things of that nature because it because debt scares me." }, { "end_time": "41:17", "start_time": "41:07", "text": "You know, in the situation, I've always I say this to people, like, I wanna be in a position where if the Internet explodes and the world shuts down, I'm okay, and my family's okay." }, { "end_time": "41:23", "start_time": "41:17", "text": "And so, you know, it's sorta it's funny, but that's kinda the situation that we've been in in the past, like, month." }, { "end_time": "41:23", "start_time": "41:23", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "41:29", "start_time": "41:23", "text": "The world has kinda shut down, and it's like, oh, I didn't really think I was I was actually gonna have to have to manage this." }, { "end_time": "41:32", "start_time": "41:29", "text": "And so, I invest in myself." }, { "end_time": "41:33", "start_time": "41:32", "text": "I invest in my my businesses." }, { "end_time": "41:39", "start_time": "41:34", "text": "I I, you know, I I invest in, you know, 401ks and things of that nature." }, { "end_time": "41:44", "start_time": "41:39", "text": "I I also, you know, take care of my family and, real estate." }, { "end_time": "41:49", "start_time": "41:44", "text": "I I I own, you know, quite a bit of real estate and, a few rental units." }, { "end_time": "42:00", "start_time": "41:49", "text": "One of the businesses I'm about to start is going to be, another business that I'm gonna be part owner in, but I'm also gonna be the landlord, and so I'm gonna get rent along with my percentage of of equity out of that business." }, { "end_time": "42:12", "start_time": "42:01", "text": "And so I also do a little bit of angel investing as well in companies that that I believe in, that I think are going to do do good things, and I just wanna be a part of their story." }, { "end_time": "42:22", "start_time": "42:12", "text": "And and it allows me to do what I do, which is have a little bit of money that I can contribute and offer some some advice where I can, and and, you know, invest money there as well." }, { "end_time": "42:24", "start_time": "42:22", "text": "And so that's how I invest my money." }, { "end_time": "42:29", "start_time": "42:24", "text": "I also, you know, own some stocks and and invest money in in in some of the markets." }, { "end_time": "42:33", "start_time": "42:29", "text": "But for me, that's honestly the scariest thing because I don't have control over it." }, { "end_time": "42:34", "start_time": "42:34", "text": "And Got it." }, { "end_time": "42:36", "start_time": "42:35", "text": "So but but yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:39", "start_time": "42:36", "text": "So that's how I I manage my my money, my finances." }, { "end_time": "42:45", "start_time": "42:40", "text": "Everybody tells me that I shouldn't pay off, like, real estate and stuff, but it makes me sleep better at night." }, { "end_time": "42:49", "start_time": "42:45", "text": "So What's the best and worst thing about being an American?" }, { "end_time": "42:56", "start_time": "42:51", "text": "I guess, I'm not sure what the the, you know, I guess the shit." }, { "end_time": "43:00", "start_time": "42:56", "text": "That's a that's an interesting I've never been asked that question before." }, { "end_time": "43:05", "start_time": "43:01", "text": "I think I think the worst thing is that we're spoiled brats." }, { "end_time": "43:07", "start_time": "43:06", "text": "What do you mean?" }, { "end_time": "43:11", "start_time": "43:07", "text": "And and I think that we we take a lot of things for granted." }, { "end_time": "43:13", "start_time": "43:11", "text": "We've never experienced true hardship." }, { "end_time": "43:33", "start_time": "43:13", "text": "I mean, we have, you know, over the course of our history, but, I think that we are a nation of of entitled we feel and a lot of our our people feel entitled to things, including success and comfort when, you know, we are very insulated from the reality that is life and the world." }, { "end_time": "43:44", "start_time": "43:33", "text": "And so I feel like that is probably one of the downsides to, to being a, an American is that, we're a little bit soft in regard to we haven't seen war." }, { "end_time": "43:46", "start_time": "43:44", "text": "You know, we haven't seen bombs dropped on our heads." }, { "end_time": "43:51", "start_time": "43:46", "text": "Like, we like, here, like, we're sort of protected, and we're, you know, we're here, and we're safe, and we're comfortable." }, { "end_time": "43:54", "start_time": "43:52", "text": "And and this is one of the I actually, it was 911." }, { "end_time": "44:01", "start_time": "43:55", "text": "That was one of the first times that I think it really rocked us as Americans and made us realize, woah." }, { "end_time": "44:04", "start_time": "44:01", "text": "Maybe we're not as safe as we we think we are." }, { "end_time": "44:11", "start_time": "44:04", "text": "And then this situation that we're having right now, I think this also is another game changer for us because we've never experienced this." }, { "end_time": "44:13", "start_time": "44:11", "text": "And so, I think that this is good." }, { "end_time": "44:31", "start_time": "44:13", "text": "I think, honestly, I think that that if there is a silver lining, there are a bunch of silver linings in the current, you know, coronavirus or coronavirus issue and crisis that we're facing, but one of them is that I think it's forcing us to to toughen up a little bit and to and to do a little soul searching and and perspective seeking." }, { "end_time": "44:38", "start_time": "44:32", "text": "In terms of the best part, you know, we've got an amazing country that is is the land of opportunity." }, { "end_time": "44:44", "start_time": "44:38", "text": "If you've got an idea and you've got an Internet connection and you've got the willingness to work hard, you can you can be a success." }, { "end_time": "44:48", "start_time": "44:45", "text": "And so, you know, ever anything is possible." }, { "end_time": "44:50", "start_time": "44:50", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "44:53", "start_time": "44:50", "text": "But can you can you break down that land of opportunity thing a little more?" }, { "end_time": "44:54", "start_time": "44:53", "text": "Like, what does it mean?" }, { "end_time": "45:02", "start_time": "44:54", "text": "Being because I I you hear people say that, but I'm sure living in America, you get a different kind of perspective on that whole statement." }, { "end_time": "45:08", "start_time": "45:02", "text": "I think that it it's hard to sort of put it in perspective when you grew up here." }, { "end_time": "45:23", "start_time": "45:09", "text": "I think that that is one of the reasons why, you know, I think that people immigrants to this country have a much deeper respect and appreciation for this country and for the opportunities that present itself here." }, { "end_time": "45:27", "start_time": "45:25", "text": "Growing up here, you don't know any different." }, { "end_time": "45:36", "start_time": "45:27", "text": "You know that, okay, if you work hard, if you, you know, if you don't, you know, have a victim mindset and you figure things out, you can accomplish, you know, whatever you want." }, { "end_time": "45:44", "start_time": "45:37", "text": "You know, they're they're this this country wants you to be comfortable, and and our government has set things up for that, honestly." }, { "end_time": "45:49", "start_time": "45:44", "text": "We take care of people, to some degree, but, you know, it's it is." }, { "end_time": "45:53", "start_time": "45:49", "text": "It's a it's an opportunity or this this country is a is a land of opportunity." }, { "end_time": "45:55", "start_time": "45:53", "text": "There's there's there's great resources." }, { "end_time": "45:57", "start_time": "45:55", "text": "There's great wealth." }, { "end_time": "46:05", "start_time": "45:57", "text": "And like I said, if you've got an idea and you've got the willingness to roll up your sleeves and get your hands dirty and figure things out, you can." }, { "end_time": "46:07", "start_time": "46:05", "text": "And there's no excuse here." }, { "end_time": "46:08", "start_time": "46:07", "text": "No excuse." }, { "end_time": "46:18", "start_time": "46:09", "text": "So my perspective as an outsider is that, the big challenge we deal with in India and just generally Asia is that it's very kind of price point sensitive." }, { "end_time": "46:22", "start_time": "46:18", "text": "So any product that you're putting out here, the cheapest product wins." }, { "end_time": "46:24", "start_time": "46:22", "text": "Like, that's that's the ground rule." }, { "end_time": "46:29", "start_time": "46:24", "text": "So you gotta have basically a huge number of products created to bring down your cost price." }, { "end_time": "46:29", "start_time": "46:29", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "46:31", "start_time": "46:29", "text": "And that's that's the key to business here." }, { "end_time": "46:36", "start_time": "46:31", "text": "But I feel with business in America, people are a lot more open to spending money." }, { "end_time": "46:39", "start_time": "46:36", "text": "People respect the quality of products way more." }, { "end_time": "46:42", "start_time": "46:39", "text": "That's probably my reading of land of opportunity." }, { "end_time": "46:43", "start_time": "46:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:44", "start_time": "46:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:48", "start_time": "46:44", "text": "But my question to you, we spoke a little bit about the coronavirus situation." }, { "end_time": "46:52", "start_time": "46:49", "text": "What are people in USA thinking about the whole situation?" }, { "end_time": "46:55", "start_time": "46:52", "text": "What's, like, you know, everyone's attitude on an average?" }, { "end_time": "46:57", "start_time": "46:55", "text": "I know I know there's, like, different people everywhere and all that." }, { "end_time": "47:00", "start_time": "46:57", "text": "But on an average, what are people thinking?" }, { "end_time": "47:14", "start_time": "47:01", "text": "Everybody is freaking out a little bit because, like I said, this is, not something that we've ever experienced, at least that I know of, to this magnitude, at least not in in my lifetime or my my parents' lifetime." }, { "end_time": "47:17", "start_time": "47:15", "text": "Everybody is is very concerned." }, { "end_time": "47:22", "start_time": "47:17", "text": "I think at first, when, you know, we hear or we heard about this coronavirus thing, it was something else." }, { "end_time": "47:24", "start_time": "47:22", "text": "It was something over in China." }, { "end_time": "47:32", "start_time": "47:24", "text": "It wasn't, you know, going to affect us, sort of like SARS or the bird flu or these other sort of, you know, auxiliary diseases or sicknesses." }, { "end_time": "47:35", "start_time": "47:33", "text": "We sorta thought that that that's what it was." }, { "end_time": "47:37", "start_time": "47:35", "text": "And it was over there." }, { "end_time": "47:38", "start_time": "47:37", "text": "It's not here." }, { "end_time": "47:40", "start_time": "47:38", "text": "Once again, we're we're we're safe." }, { "end_time": "47:41", "start_time": "47:40", "text": "We're in America." }, { "end_time": "47:51", "start_time": "47:41", "text": "And, and, and then the proverbial shit hit the fan a little bit, and things started to things started to get a little bit little bit uncomfortable." }, { "end_time": "47:52", "start_time": "47:51", "text": "And it's like, woah." }, { "end_time": "47:52", "start_time": "47:52", "text": "Wait a second." }, { "end_time": "47:53", "start_time": "47:52", "text": "People here are dying?" }, { "end_time": "47:54", "start_time": "47:53", "text": "People here are catching it?" }, { "end_time": "47:58", "start_time": "47:54", "text": "And that's when everybody sort of, like, sat up and was like, uh-oh." }, { "end_time": "47:59", "start_time": "47:58", "text": "What are we gonna do?" }, { "end_time": "48:01", "start_time": "47:59", "text": "And then everybody went out and and bought toilet paper." }, { "end_time": "48:03", "start_time": "48:02", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "48:03", "start_time": "48:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:05", "start_time": "48:03", "text": "Everybody was buying toilet paper." }, { "end_time": "48:09", "start_time": "48:05", "text": "And, like, still, to this day, a month later, the stores, like, have meat." }, { "end_time": "48:10", "start_time": "48:09", "text": "They've got produce." }, { "end_time": "48:11", "start_time": "48:10", "text": "They've got food." }, { "end_time": "48:12", "start_time": "48:11", "text": "They don't have toilet paper." }, { "end_time": "48:15", "start_time": "48:12", "text": "Everybody hoarded the toilet paper, apparently." }, { "end_time": "48:20", "start_time": "48:15", "text": "And so, How are people how are people, like, cleaning themselves up?" }, { "end_time": "48:21", "start_time": "48:20", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "48:25", "start_time": "48:21", "text": "I I it's but, but, no, people are people are managing." }, { "end_time": "48:32", "start_time": "48:25", "text": "I think everybody is now taking it very seriously and, and just doing what they need to do in order to stay safe." }, { "end_time": "48:36", "start_time": "48:32", "text": "And I think that this environment that we are in is going to leave a lasting impression." }, { "end_time": "48:46", "start_time": "48:36", "text": "And so once again, I think that one of the silver linings that has come out of this for for a world for us as a world and us as a country here is that we're gonna look at things a little bit differently." }, { "end_time": "48:51", "start_time": "48:46", "text": "And I think that the things that we've taken for granted are gonna be a little bit sweeter now." }, { "end_time": "49:01", "start_time": "48:51", "text": "And the longer that this lasts, the longer that we are in isolation or quarantine, the longer or the more lasting and the deeper the impact is going to be moving forward." }, { "end_time": "49:09", "start_time": "49:02", "text": "As an entrepreneur, what's your big business opportunity that you've spotted for the time period post coronavirus?" }, { "end_time": "49:12", "start_time": "49:10", "text": "Are you looking at things that way?" }, { "end_time": "49:15", "start_time": "49:12", "text": "Because, I mean, that's just the nature of being an entrepreneur." }, { "end_time": "49:20", "start_time": "49:15", "text": "Like, you kind of think of how your consumers will behave, what will happen to the world." }, { "end_time": "49:26", "start_time": "49:20", "text": "And they say that the biggest businesses are built in and around massive waves that hit the world." }, { "end_time": "49:31", "start_time": "49:26", "text": "So I strongly believe that, there's this whole thing called stay home economy." }, { "end_time": "49:34", "start_time": "49:31", "text": "Basically, people's requirements at home." }, { "end_time": "49:35", "start_time": "49:34", "text": "So you go around your own house." }, { "end_time": "49:37", "start_time": "49:35", "text": "You figure, okay, this is what's lacking here." }, { "end_time": "49:38", "start_time": "49:37", "text": "This is what's lacking here." }, { "end_time": "49:48", "start_time": "49:39", "text": "And the businesses which tap into those vacuums, the businesses that say, okay, you know, I think I should make a product for that, which primarily is at home, situations." }, { "end_time": "49:51", "start_time": "49:49", "text": "Those are the businesses that that are gonna take off." }, { "end_time": "49:56", "start_time": "49:51", "text": "But what's your kind of opportunity that you're seeing as an entrepreneur?" }, { "end_time": "49:57", "start_time": "49:57", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "50:00", "start_time": "49:57", "text": "I see that as as absolutely accurate." }, { "end_time": "50:07", "start_time": "50:00", "text": "I think that there's this whole subculture of people, that that are called, like, preppers." }, { "end_time": "50:08", "start_time": "50:07", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "50:10", "start_time": "50:08", "text": "They have you heard of that term, prepper?" }, { "end_time": "50:10", "start_time": "50:10", "text": "You're a prepper?" }, { "end_time": "50:11", "start_time": "50:10", "text": "Have you heard of that?" }, { "end_time": "50:11", "start_time": "50:11", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "50:12", "start_time": "50:11", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "50:12", "start_time": "50:12", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "50:15", "start_time": "50:12", "text": "But you you you'll need to explain it for the audiences." }, { "end_time": "50:16", "start_time": "50:15", "text": "So explain it." }, { "end_time": "50:16", "start_time": "50:16", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "50:29", "start_time": "50:16", "text": "So a prepper is somebody who is preparing always preparing for, like, the apocalypse or worst case scenario or not to have food or water for the economy to completely shut down." }, { "end_time": "50:31", "start_time": "50:29", "text": "And these people prepare." }, { "end_time": "50:35", "start_time": "50:32", "text": "And for years years years, they've got stockpiles of foods." }, { "end_time": "50:36", "start_time": "50:35", "text": "They've got weapons." }, { "end_time": "50:36", "start_time": "50:36", "text": "They've got bunkers." }, { "end_time": "50:39", "start_time": "50:36", "text": "They've got they've got water sources." }, { "end_time": "50:43", "start_time": "50:39", "text": "They they thrive, and they they live for an opportunity like this." }, { "end_time": "50:46", "start_time": "50:43", "text": "And so what this is the first time it's actually happened, though." }, { "end_time": "50:50", "start_time": "50:46", "text": "So all of these preppers and people that were prepared were finally like, yes." }, { "end_time": "50:51", "start_time": "50:50", "text": "We're justified." }, { "end_time": "50:52", "start_time": "50:51", "text": "We're vindicated." }, { "end_time": "50:54", "start_time": "50:52", "text": "We told you that this was gonna happen." }, { "end_time": "51:02", "start_time": "50:54", "text": "And so, and so there are a lot of companies that actually cater to that sort of that that mindset." }, { "end_time": "51:04", "start_time": "51:02", "text": "And so you've got a lot of prepackaged meals." }, { "end_time": "51:05", "start_time": "51:04", "text": "You've got, you know, the masks." }, { "end_time": "51:07", "start_time": "51:05", "text": "You've got water filtration systems." }, { "end_time": "51:18", "start_time": "51:07", "text": "I think that this is going to force a lot of people to start to develop a little bit more of a plan and and to be prepared for something like this." }, { "end_time": "51:28", "start_time": "51:18", "text": "And so I think that the amount of preppers that are going to come as a result of this after this is over is going to increase, and any business that is in that space is gonna do incredibly well." }, { "end_time": "51:37", "start_time": "51:28", "text": "I think home fitness is going to be another big thing, because during this time, one of the first things that shut down were were fitness centers and health clubs." }, { "end_time": "51:40", "start_time": "51:37", "text": "And when that is taken away from you, what do you do?" }, { "end_time": "51:47", "start_time": "51:40", "text": "There's only so much home workout stuff you can do with 2 chairs and and a gallon of milk." }, { "end_time": "51:48", "start_time": "51:47", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "52:02", "start_time": "51:48", "text": "And so I think that a lot of people after this will start to, sort of develop maybe, like, a little bit of a a more structured, fitness, you know, basically, a home workout, equipment and dumbbells and things of that nature." }, { "end_time": "52:08", "start_time": "52:04", "text": "And so it's funny because there there is a fitness a place around me that sells fitness equipment." }, { "end_time": "52:12", "start_time": "52:09", "text": "And my buddy went in there to try and buy something, and they've been sold out." }, { "end_time": "52:13", "start_time": "52:12", "text": "Like, it's sold out." }, { "end_time": "52:13", "start_time": "52:13", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "52:14", "start_time": "52:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:14", "start_time": "52:14", "text": "Completely." }, { "end_time": "52:17", "start_time": "52:14", "text": "They're like, we've had the best month in our history." }, { "end_time": "52:19", "start_time": "52:17", "text": "And they've been over for, like, 25 years." }, { "end_time": "52:25", "start_time": "52:19", "text": "And so, so, yeah, so I think I think that is one thing that we'll we'll start to see an increase in that." }, { "end_time": "52:37", "start_time": "52:26", "text": "And, you know, in terms of some trends that I think are going to, you know, take away the coronavirus, I think, one one trend that I think is going to start to become more popular is men's makeup." }, { "end_time": "52:45", "start_time": "52:37", "text": "I think that is actually gonna be not like eye shadow and stuff like that, but, like, you know, tinted moisturizer and concealer pens for, like, acne." }, { "end_time": "52:46", "start_time": "52:45", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "53:03", "start_time": "52:46", "text": "I see that as sort of the next kind of, like, untapped men's grooming trend that is going to really because it's it's already popular in certain countries, certain cultures, and I think, I think that is going to be something that is going to be a trend that you you're gonna see a lot more people getting into." }, { "end_time": "53:09", "start_time": "53:04", "text": "Why why do you say that this thing is gonna start popping after the coronavirus situation?" }, { "end_time": "53:10", "start_time": "53:09", "text": "Why specifically this trend?" }, { "end_time": "53:15", "start_time": "53:11", "text": "Because I see what's happening, I think, before this happened." }, { "end_time": "53:30", "start_time": "53:15", "text": "And and, I think that more people are getting comfortable with the fact that, and and I'm like I said, it's not like eye shadow and lipstick, but it's just grooming products that are designed to help even out your skin tone and just give you the confidence." }, { "end_time": "53:35", "start_time": "53:30", "text": "I think that for a long time, makeup has been taboo for men." }, { "end_time": "53:40", "start_time": "53:35", "text": "And when you hear about men's makeup, you think, oh, you know, real men don't wear that." }, { "end_time": "53:49", "start_time": "53:40", "text": "And I think that one of the the beautiful things about the time in which we live is that it's more about, you know, feeling good about yourself, whatever that means." }, { "end_time": "54:03", "start_time": "53:49", "text": "Whether or not you wanna actually cover up a pimple or you wanna get rid of the dark circles underneath your eyes, I think this is allowing us to be more free, and I think that that is going to be a trend that is going to to increase in the next coming years." }, { "end_time": "54:07", "start_time": "54:03", "text": "I think I I I believe that that's gonna be a very popular thing." }, { "end_time": "54:08", "start_time": "54:07", "text": "Just like men's grooming products." }, { "end_time": "54:09", "start_time": "54:08", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "54:14", "start_time": "54:09", "text": "Men's skin care was not really a big thing 10 years ago, 8 years ago, and now it's huge." }, { "end_time": "54:18", "start_time": "54:14", "text": "I think men's makeup is going to be one of those those next hot markets." }, { "end_time": "54:29", "start_time": "54:20", "text": "Do you do you think that the fashion and grooming industry in general is gonna take some kind of a hit because of the coronavirus situation?" }, { "end_time": "54:33", "start_time": "54:29", "text": "Because maybe people are gonna head out less or, you know, at least, yeah, that's the way it works in India." }, { "end_time": "54:40", "start_time": "54:33", "text": "Like, I believe that something like the deodorant industry or the perfume industry, they might take a hit here." }, { "end_time": "54:47", "start_time": "54:40", "text": "Because guys in India usually only put on a perfume when they're going out on a date because they want a girl to smell them." }, { "end_time": "54:47", "start_time": "54:47", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "54:51", "start_time": "54:47", "text": "Or, you know, they, I'm I'm sure it's like that for all men all over the world." }, { "end_time": "54:52", "start_time": "54:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "55:05", "start_time": "54:52", "text": "So what we're seeing here in the US, apparel has taken a big hit from the coronavirus because you're not going you have no reason to go out and buy a really cool pair of shoes because you don't have anywhere to wear them." }, { "end_time": "55:08", "start_time": "55:06", "text": "You know, a T shirt, you know, I don't need any more T shirts." }, { "end_time": "55:09", "start_time": "55:08", "text": "I'm not wearing it." }, { "end_time": "55:13", "start_time": "55:09", "text": "I'm not going to be going out anytime soon, so I'm not gonna buy that." }, { "end_time": "55:21", "start_time": "55:13", "text": "Grooming has taken a slight hit, but but personal care products are still staying relatively strong." }, { "end_time": "55:29", "start_time": "55:22", "text": "Both of my my my company, my my hair grooming company, as well as my skin care company, they're still holding their own." }, { "end_time": "55:31", "start_time": "55:29", "text": "They're they're doing okay during the time." }, { "end_time": "55:33", "start_time": "55:31", "text": "Now we've had to modify our offer." }, { "end_time": "55:44", "start_time": "55:33", "text": "We've had to offer some incentives and deals and things of that nature, but so far, knock on wood, the grooming space is still reasonably strong." }, { "end_time": "55:45", "start_time": "55:45", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "55:47", "start_time": "55:45", "text": "Because I think it's self care." }, { "end_time": "55:49", "start_time": "55:47", "text": "That's something people wanna do on a regular basis." }, { "end_time": "55:50", "start_time": "55:49", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "55:51", "start_time": "55:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "55:59", "start_time": "55:52", "text": "I mean, I know you don't have 5 year plans, but in your head, do you have a road map when it comes to your own businesses?" }, { "end_time": "56:00", "start_time": "55:59", "text": "Like, do you think that, okay." }, { "end_time": "56:02", "start_time": "56:00", "text": "Now set up, like, a hair care product." }, { "end_time": "56:03", "start_time": "56:02", "text": "Now set up a skin care thing." }, { "end_time": "56:05", "start_time": "56:03", "text": "Now I've set up, like, something else." }, { "end_time": "56:09", "start_time": "56:05", "text": "So at some point, are we gonna see, like, an Aaron Marino clothing line?" }, { "end_time": "56:11", "start_time": "56:09", "text": "Like, do you think of your life like that?" }, { "end_time": "56:12", "start_time": "56:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "56:40", "start_time": "56:12", "text": "I think what I if I'm being honest, I think that at some point, if I continue on the trajectory that I am with my 2 businesses, Tiege Hanley, my skin care company, and, and Pete and Pedro, my my grooming company, I think at some point, I will be in a position or have be offered the or have the ability to possibly sell 1 or both of those businesses to a bigger conglomerate." }, { "end_time": "56:54", "start_time": "56:41", "text": "And at that point, I think what I will be doing honestly, I I wanna do more like if I do that, then I'll have more cash in order to, you know, help other entrepreneurs and do some more angel investing." }, { "end_time": "57:05", "start_time": "56:54", "text": "Also, I think about I think about going and and and actually, you know, starting sort of different initiatives to help other entrepreneurs." }, { "end_time": "57:09", "start_time": "57:05", "text": "Maybe, you know, provide seed money or, you know, a mentorship program." }, { "end_time": "57:26", "start_time": "57:09", "text": "I think of myself, once I'm able to sort of be in a position where money literally is no no issue, I've got, you know, enough that I can not only support myself for the rest of my life and my family, I have enough to actually help other people realize their dreams, I think I'll be doing that." }, { "end_time": "57:35", "start_time": "57:26", "text": "You know, in in terms of, my business enemy, the sunglass company, I feel like that's a very strong brand, and it's something where I don't have any pressure on it right now." }, { "end_time": "57:45", "start_time": "57:35", "text": "I'm growing it very slowly, but I feel like that could be potentially something where I expand out of just eyewear and get into clothing and things of that nature." }, { "end_time": "57:48", "start_time": "57:46", "text": "I think that could be a potential outlet for that." }, { "end_time": "57:59", "start_time": "57:48", "text": "And so in the back of my head, I think, okay, 5 years, that could be something that's more present in my my my, sort of, my my wheelhouse in terms of what I'm doing." }, { "end_time": "58:04", "start_time": "57:59", "text": "I think that for that to happen, though, one of these other 2 big businesses has to go away." }, { "end_time": "58:07", "start_time": "58:05", "text": "I really enjoy talking to you, Aaron." }, { "end_time": "58:09", "start_time": "58:07", "text": "Like, I I've enjoyed talking to you." }, { "end_time": "58:10", "start_time": "58:09", "text": "Why have we not done this sooner?" }, { "end_time": "58:13", "start_time": "58:11", "text": "I do have some more questions." }, { "end_time": "58:16", "start_time": "58:14", "text": "It's gonna go a little bit on the personal side." }, { "end_time": "58:18", "start_time": "58:16", "text": "I wanna know about your family life." }, { "end_time": "58:21", "start_time": "58:18", "text": "Like, what's the guy Aaron behind Alpha M?" }, { "end_time": "58:27", "start_time": "58:21", "text": "Like, you know, when you take your, superhero costume off, what's your family life like?" }, { "end_time": "58:28", "start_time": "58:27", "text": "What's your love life like?" }, { "end_time": "58:32", "start_time": "58:28", "text": "What kind of role has your wife played, like, even before this started out?" }, { "end_time": "58:33", "start_time": "58:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "58:33", "start_time": "58:33", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "58:35", "start_time": "58:33", "text": "I, I'm I'm very happily married." }, { "end_time": "58:37", "start_time": "58:35", "text": "I've been, married now." }, { "end_time": "58:38", "start_time": "58:37", "text": "Let's see." }, { "end_time": "58:39", "start_time": "58:38", "text": "I got married in 5, 6, of 7." }, { "end_time": "58:40", "start_time": "58:39", "text": "So what is this?" }, { "end_time": "58:41", "start_time": "58:40", "text": "13 years." }, { "end_time": "58:44", "start_time": "58:41", "text": "And, and before that, we were dating for 4." }, { "end_time": "58:48", "start_time": "58:44", "text": "And so I've been with my wife now for, you know, almost going shoot." }, { "end_time": "58:50", "start_time": "58:48", "text": "It's almost, you know, 17 years." }, { "end_time": "58:51", "start_time": "58:50", "text": "17, 18 years." }, { "end_time": "58:54", "start_time": "58:52", "text": "And she is she is my rock." }, { "end_time": "59:01", "start_time": "58:54", "text": "She has been, there through the very hard times and and continues to be here for the good times." }, { "end_time": "59:04", "start_time": "59:02", "text": "You know, but there are still hard times." }, { "end_time": "59:04", "start_time": "59:04", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "59:07", "start_time": "59:04", "text": "Relationships are hard, and they take work." }, { "end_time": "59:18", "start_time": "59:07", "text": "And anybody who thinks that it's all just, you know, amazing all the time is is is definitely not not not basing their their presumption or assumption in reality." }, { "end_time": "59:23", "start_time": "59:18", "text": "It takes work, and it takes 2 people constantly be willing to put in the time and the work just like anything." }, { "end_time": "59:27", "start_time": "59:23", "text": "If you don't if you don't take care of something, it will die, and your relationship is no different." }, { "end_time": "59:28", "start_time": "59:27", "text": "Before then, I I dated." }, { "end_time": "59:31", "start_time": "59:28", "text": "Before I met her, I dated, you know, successfully." }, { "end_time": "59:35", "start_time": "59:32", "text": "You know, I did a little bit Internet did a little bit of Internet dating." }, { "end_time": "59:38", "start_time": "59:35", "text": "That was back when the Internet dating thing was just starting." }, { "end_time": "59:43", "start_time": "59:39", "text": "And, you know, we we have a very happy very happy life." }, { "end_time": "59:48", "start_time": "59:43", "text": "We don't have any children, and, that was a personal decision that we've made." }, { "end_time": "59:51", "start_time": "59:48", "text": "And, and let's see." }, { "end_time": "59:51", "start_time": "59:51", "text": "What else?" }, { "end_time": "59:53", "start_time": "59:52", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "59:56", "start_time": "59:53", "text": "Behind the camera, it's it's I work a lot." }, { "end_time": "59:59", "start_time": "59:56", "text": "But when I'm not working, we enjoy going out to eat." }, { "end_time": "1:00:10", "start_time": "59:59", "text": "We enjoy going on on long walks and and, you know, vacationing a little bit and just being together and, and just just being very present in our relationship, in our life." }, { "end_time": "1:00:17", "start_time": "1:00:11", "text": "With the intensity of work that you're putting in, how do you balance out, like, your family life?" }, { "end_time": "1:00:28", "start_time": "1:00:17", "text": "Because, honestly, I've had a couple of relationships through this biceps journey, and they've ended, I I won't say completely because of a lack of work life balance, but that was definitely a factor." }, { "end_time": "1:00:31", "start_time": "1:00:29", "text": "I mean, I've I've I've grown up a lot now." }, { "end_time": "1:00:33", "start_time": "1:00:31", "text": "I'm not that same guy." }, { "end_time": "1:00:40", "start_time": "1:00:33", "text": "I'm not as, you know, I I know I know how to manage my work life balance a lot better now, but, hey." }, { "end_time": "1:00:43", "start_time": "1:00:40", "text": "It's always good to get some advice when it comes to work life balance." }, { "end_time": "1:00:46", "start_time": "1:00:45", "text": "You could give me advice." }, { "end_time": "1:00:47", "start_time": "1:00:46", "text": "I'm not sure how to do that." }, { "end_time": "1:00:49", "start_time": "1:00:47", "text": "I I don't know what it means." }, { "end_time": "1:00:56", "start_time": "1:00:49", "text": "Because I don't have children, my businesses, my entrepreneurship is my baby, and, it's something that that I nurture." }, { "end_time": "1:00:59", "start_time": "1:00:56", "text": "It's something that I love and I give attention to all the time." }, { "end_time": "1:01:04", "start_time": "1:01:00", "text": "And even if, you know, you're not with your children, you know, you're thinking about them." }, { "end_time": "1:01:05", "start_time": "1:01:04", "text": "You're you're, you know, worried about them." }, { "end_time": "1:01:07", "start_time": "1:01:05", "text": "You're, you know, managing them." }, { "end_time": "1:01:11", "start_time": "1:01:07", "text": "My businesses and my my career has been my baby." }, { "end_time": "1:01:16", "start_time": "1:01:12", "text": "And so, you know, so I am always, you know, working to some degree." }, { "end_time": "1:01:28", "start_time": "1:01:16", "text": "Even if I'm, you know, sitting on the couch, you know, relaxing, you know, that is part of the process of of not thinking that you can out grind, you know, and just there that that I think that's one of you know Gary Vaynerchuk." }, { "end_time": "1:01:29", "start_time": "1:01:29", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:30", "start_time": "1:01:29", "text": "Everybody Of course." }, { "end_time": "1:01:31", "start_time": "1:01:30", "text": "Online knows Gary v." }, { "end_time": "1:01:43", "start_time": "1:01:32", "text": "I think one of the potential negatives that can come out of listening from listening to him is that it it puts people in the mindset that you have to work as hard as Gary Vaynerchuk." }, { "end_time": "1:01:50", "start_time": "1:01:43", "text": "And if you're not, if you're not working 247, 365, you're not successful or you're slacking." }, { "end_time": "1:01:57", "start_time": "1:01:50", "text": "And so I think that he does not do a very good job of explaining, you know, that it's not and and for him, he doesn't have it." }, { "end_time": "1:02:01", "start_time": "1:01:57", "text": "And for him, he's he's doing what he knows to do right now, and it's working for him." }, { "end_time": "1:02:05", "start_time": "1:02:01", "text": "But I think for a lot of people most people, you can't endure that." }, { "end_time": "1:02:07", "start_time": "1:02:05", "text": "You need time to shut your brain off." }, { "end_time": "1:02:11", "start_time": "1:02:07", "text": "And so for me, I exercise every day, typically twice a day." }, { "end_time": "1:02:14", "start_time": "1:02:11", "text": "And so, you know, exercise is is a way." }, { "end_time": "1:02:15", "start_time": "1:02:14", "text": "It's my outlet." }, { "end_time": "1:02:16", "start_time": "1:02:15", "text": "It is my release." }, { "end_time": "1:02:19", "start_time": "1:02:16", "text": "It is my it is it is one of my biggest passions." }, { "end_time": "1:02:21", "start_time": "1:02:19", "text": "And so, no." }, { "end_time": "1:02:24", "start_time": "1:02:21", "text": "So my work life balance, I don't know what that really means." }, { "end_time": "1:02:25", "start_time": "1:02:25", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:28", "start_time": "1:02:25", "text": "It's, and my wife, she she works still." }, { "end_time": "1:02:29", "start_time": "1:02:28", "text": "She has a good job." }, { "end_time": "1:02:33", "start_time": "1:02:29", "text": "She's a marketing director for a big engineering firm, and so she understands." }, { "end_time": "1:02:37", "start_time": "1:02:33", "text": "And she's also seen my my growth and my struggle from day 1." }, { "end_time": "1:02:45", "start_time": "1:02:37", "text": "And so she understands where the passion comes from and the fact that I I work harder than anyone she knows, and she's okay with it." }, { "end_time": "1:02:49", "start_time": "1:02:45", "text": "Because of this intense YouTube grind, have you ever cried to her?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:51", "start_time": "1:02:50", "text": "Not about that." }, { "end_time": "1:02:52", "start_time": "1:02:51", "text": "She's see yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:02:54", "start_time": "1:02:52", "text": "She's seen me cry, but it wasn't YouTube." }, { "end_time": "1:03:00", "start_time": "1:02:54", "text": "It was when my other when when my fitness center was failing, that was that was the low point." }, { "end_time": "1:03:00", "start_time": "1:03:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:03:01", "start_time": "1:03:00", "text": "She's seen me cry." }, { "end_time": "1:03:01", "start_time": "1:03:01", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "1:03:05", "start_time": "1:03:01", "text": "But back then, yeah, that that's when it was that's when it was hardest for me." }, { "end_time": "1:03:08", "start_time": "1:03:05", "text": "And so, yeah, definitely, some tears were shed." }, { "end_time": "1:03:13", "start_time": "1:03:09", "text": "You also mentioned that, you know, relationships require work." }, { "end_time": "1:03:14", "start_time": "1:03:13", "text": "So could you break that down?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:15", "start_time": "1:03:14", "text": "Like, what do you mean?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:22", "start_time": "1:03:17", "text": "You've gotta be willing to put in the time and the energy into your work just like anything." }, { "end_time": "1:03:22", "start_time": "1:03:22", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:25", "start_time": "1:03:22", "text": "And and you've heard this analogy before." }, { "end_time": "1:03:29", "start_time": "1:03:25", "text": "I've I've heard this analogy a 100 times that relationships are like a flower." }, { "end_time": "1:03:33", "start_time": "1:03:29", "text": "You plant it, you give it a little bit of water, it starts to grow." }, { "end_time": "1:03:33", "start_time": "1:03:33", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:35", "start_time": "1:03:33", "text": "What happens if you stop watering it?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:36", "start_time": "1:03:35", "text": "Of course, it dies." }, { "end_time": "1:03:39", "start_time": "1:03:36", "text": "It withers because it it it's unattended to." }, { "end_time": "1:03:41", "start_time": "1:03:39", "text": "The same thing happens in relationships." }, { "end_time": "1:03:50", "start_time": "1:03:41", "text": "You've gotta be willing on a daily, weekly, monthly, annual basis to put in the time and to not get distracted, by shiny objects." }, { "end_time": "1:04:08", "start_time": "1:03:50", "text": "And what I mean by that is, it I think that, you know, in our society, I think it's gotten really weird in terms of we're we're bombarded by by imagery of beauty and and this feeling of wanting and and longing for and and not having this." }, { "end_time": "1:04:13", "start_time": "1:04:08", "text": "And so we think, and we are we are conditioned to think that the grass is greener on the other side." }, { "end_time": "1:04:31", "start_time": "1:04:13", "text": "When the grass is green right where you are, if you can find somebody that you love, that respects you, that is your partner, that is is is there for you, and that you just enjoy hanging out and chilling with, you know, that's the person that that you should be with." }, { "end_time": "1:04:35", "start_time": "1:04:31", "text": "You know you know, beauty fades, but personality, character, and integrity does not." }, { "end_time": "1:04:40", "start_time": "1:04:35", "text": "And so don't get distracted by shiny objects thinking you're missing out." }, { "end_time": "1:04:47", "start_time": "1:04:40", "text": "Give the attention and the energy into your relationships and your relationship both, you know, with your with your partner, but also with your family." }, { "end_time": "1:04:51", "start_time": "1:04:48", "text": "Invest in the people that love you and that that deserve your continued support." }, { "end_time": "1:04:55", "start_time": "1:04:53", "text": "Why did you choose to marry your wife specifically?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:57", "start_time": "1:04:55", "text": "What did you see you know?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:00", "start_time": "1:05:00", "text": "Everything." }, { "end_time": "1:05:03", "start_time": "1:05:01", "text": "She was just she was she was perfect for me." }, { "end_time": "1:05:04", "start_time": "1:05:04", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:15", "start_time": "1:05:04", "text": "What some of the things that I respect most about her is that she's a very hard worker, and, and she left home when she was 16 years old because she had not the greatest family situation." }, { "end_time": "1:05:22", "start_time": "1:05:15", "text": "And so, you know, she's a she's a survivor, and she has, despite her circumstances, thrived." }, { "end_time": "1:05:30", "start_time": "1:05:23", "text": "And, and a hard a a work ethic, and a compassionate heart are 2 things that that I find incredibly attractive." }, { "end_time": "1:05:34", "start_time": "1:05:31", "text": "And so those were 2 things that automatically attracted me to her." }, { "end_time": "1:05:36", "start_time": "1:05:35", "text": "It also matches with your personality." }, { "end_time": "1:05:37", "start_time": "1:05:37", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "1:05:38", "start_time": "1:05:37", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "1:05:39", "start_time": "1:05:38", "text": "She's got a fist." }, { "end_time": "1:05:39", "start_time": "1:05:39", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:41", "start_time": "1:05:40", "text": "Okay, Aaron." }, { "end_time": "1:05:43", "start_time": "1:05:41", "text": "My last question for you on the podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:05:45", "start_time": "1:05:43", "text": "Actually, I've got a couple of last questions." }, { "end_time": "1:05:46", "start_time": "1:05:45", "text": "The second last question Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:05:51", "start_time": "1:05:47", "text": "Is when you're dying, what do you want written on your tombstone?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:53", "start_time": "1:05:51", "text": "How do you want people to remember you?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:57", "start_time": "1:05:56", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "1:06:05", "start_time": "1:06:03", "text": "Just somebody who helped a lot of people." }, { "end_time": "1:06:07", "start_time": "1:06:06", "text": "I mean, I think that's it." }, { "end_time": "1:06:09", "start_time": "1:06:07", "text": "That's I mean, what else is there?" }, { "end_time": "1:06:13", "start_time": "1:06:09", "text": "I think that's kind of the overarching theme of of what I'm trying to do." }, { "end_time": "1:06:27", "start_time": "1:06:13", "text": "And, you know, if I if I at the end of the day, you know, when I'm when it's all over, you know, if if I help people, and, I helped a lot of people and and helped people feel better about themselves, that's all that's all I need." }, { "end_time": "1:06:29", "start_time": "1:06:28", "text": "You believe in karma?" }, { "end_time": "1:06:30", "start_time": "1:06:29", "text": "You know what it is, Mars?" }, { "end_time": "1:06:30", "start_time": "1:06:30", "text": "I do." }, { "end_time": "1:06:31", "start_time": "1:06:30", "text": "Very much so." }, { "end_time": "1:06:33", "start_time": "1:06:31", "text": "That's a huge aspect of your work." }, { "end_time": "1:06:33", "start_time": "1:06:33", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:06:34", "start_time": "1:06:33", "text": "That's how you look at your work." }, { "end_time": "1:06:35", "start_time": "1:06:34", "text": "I'm sure." }, { "end_time": "1:06:36", "start_time": "1:06:35", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "1:06:36", "start_time": "1:06:36", "text": "Karma." }, { "end_time": "1:06:37", "start_time": "1:06:37", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "1:06:38", "start_time": "1:06:37", "text": "It is it is real." }, { "end_time": "1:06:45", "start_time": "1:06:39", "text": "And with the with the amount of people you're helping, I I I believe it's a way of God in the universe giving back to you, man." }, { "end_time": "1:06:47", "start_time": "1:06:45", "text": "Like, with all your businesses being successful and all that." }, { "end_time": "1:06:49", "start_time": "1:06:47", "text": "I believe you too." }, { "end_time": "1:06:49", "start_time": "1:06:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:06:51", "start_time": "1:06:49", "text": "And you you know the way you help people." }, { "end_time": "1:06:53", "start_time": "1:06:51", "text": "You know, you get guys to be more confident." }, { "end_time": "1:06:58", "start_time": "1:06:54", "text": "But there's also these selected YouTubers you help all over the world unknowingly." }, { "end_time": "1:07:02", "start_time": "1:06:58", "text": "Because I've had moments where I've broken down in front of my business cofounders." }, { "end_time": "1:07:05", "start_time": "1:07:03", "text": "I've broken down in front of my girlfriends." }, { "end_time": "1:07:10", "start_time": "1:07:05", "text": "And, often, they've referenced your channel, and they've said that, look at this man." }, { "end_time": "1:07:12", "start_time": "1:07:10", "text": "Like, he's just going for it." }, { "end_time": "1:07:16", "start_time": "1:07:12", "text": "Like, he's always putting out content with a very calm kind of energy." }, { "end_time": "1:07:19", "start_time": "1:07:16", "text": "And I understand that you're way old you're older than I am." }, { "end_time": "1:07:25", "start_time": "1:07:19", "text": "So there's a certain level of maturity and, you know, experience, and that's why you're able to do it." }, { "end_time": "1:07:32", "start_time": "1:07:25", "text": "But I still wanna ask you, like, what's your like, I I kind of wanna build out something similar to what you've built out as well." }, { "end_time": "1:07:35", "start_time": "1:07:32", "text": "So I'm open to absolutely any advice you have for me, any kind of feedback." }, { "end_time": "1:07:38", "start_time": "1:07:35", "text": "If you think I can improve in any aspect, I'm all yours." }, { "end_time": "1:07:42", "start_time": "1:07:38", "text": "And this is something I've wanted to ask you since 2015 when I first saw you." }, { "end_time": "1:07:43", "start_time": "1:07:42", "text": "I'll tell you." }, { "end_time": "1:07:45", "start_time": "1:07:43", "text": "I I look at what you're doing, and I'm astounded." }, { "end_time": "1:07:54", "start_time": "1:07:46", "text": "I don't have I think I don't have really any feedback other than to say congratulations and keep working hard." }, { "end_time": "1:08:05", "start_time": "1:07:54", "text": "I mean, that's literally I think that everything you're doing, you're on the right track, and you are, so far ahead of me when I was your age that, like, who am I to give you advice?" }, { "end_time": "1:08:06", "start_time": "1:08:05", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:08:09", "start_time": "1:08:06", "text": "You are figuring this out, and and you're gonna make mistakes." }, { "end_time": "1:08:20", "start_time": "1:08:10", "text": "The only advice I would say is is don't beat yourself up and just, you know, understand that the process is going to require you to, you know, have those those breakdowns." }, { "end_time": "1:08:22", "start_time": "1:08:20", "text": "And and when you do, it's okay." }, { "end_time": "1:08:23", "start_time": "1:08:22", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:08:31", "start_time": "1:08:23", "text": "Don't beat yourself up, but just get back you know, get your mind straight and focused and and continue helping people and and moving in the right direction." }, { "end_time": "1:08:33", "start_time": "1:08:31", "text": "But you're doing such a good job." }, { "end_time": "1:08:36", "start_time": "1:08:33", "text": "I think that, you know, your journey is is 1." }, { "end_time": "1:08:38", "start_time": "1:08:36", "text": "You're just getting started, brother." }, { "end_time": "1:08:39", "start_time": "1:08:38", "text": "Oh, thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:08:40", "start_time": "1:08:39", "text": "Thank you, Alan." }, { "end_time": "1:08:48", "start_time": "1:08:41", "text": "You know, I I will be pestering you in the future on, like, maybe some personal phone calls the next time I'm feeling low about something." }, { "end_time": "1:08:58", "start_time": "1:08:48", "text": "But, man, I cannot thank you enough for doing this episode, not just from the perspective that you did it, but, we've wanted to do these kind of podcasts for a while." }, { "end_time": "1:09:02", "start_time": "1:08:58", "text": "I just needed to find my 1st hustler who'd be ready to set up on their end." }, { "end_time": "1:09:05", "start_time": "1:09:03", "text": "So I'm your guy." }, { "end_time": "1:09:06", "start_time": "1:09:05", "text": "So here's the deal." }, { "end_time": "1:09:09", "start_time": "1:09:06", "text": "Now we're gonna have to do another one for my podcast that I'm about to start." }, { "end_time": "1:09:12", "start_time": "1:09:09", "text": "And and, yeah, this is just so much fun." }, { "end_time": "1:09:18", "start_time": "1:09:12", "text": "When you when your team reached out to me, I was, like, automatically, I was like, yes." }, { "end_time": "1:09:20", "start_time": "1:09:18", "text": "Whatever he wants to do, the answer is yes." }, { "end_time": "1:09:21", "start_time": "1:09:20", "text": "I'm excited." }, { "end_time": "1:09:28", "start_time": "1:09:21", "text": "And, like I said, I've been a fan for years, and just to watch you grow and the impact you're having has just been amazing." }, { "end_time": "1:09:33", "start_time": "1:09:28", "text": "And so keep doing what you're doing, brother, because it's, it's definitely changing the world." }, { "end_time": "1:09:36", "start_time": "1:09:33", "text": "You have no idea how much that means to me coming from you." }, { "end_time": "1:09:44", "start_time": "1:09:36", "text": "So trust me, I've like, you're one of those people that I respect the most in the world because I feel like if there was no alpha m, there wouldn't be a b or biceps." }, { "end_time": "1:09:46", "start_time": "1:09:44", "text": "At least not the way it is built out today." }, { "end_time": "1:09:48", "start_time": "1:09:46", "text": "So thank you for the blueprint, bro." }, { "end_time": "1:09:52", "start_time": "1:09:48", "text": "Like, it's just it's something it's something, like, very close to my heart." }, { "end_time": "1:09:53", "start_time": "1:09:52", "text": "I really appreciate you." }, { "end_time": "1:09:54", "start_time": "1:09:53", "text": "God bless you, man." }, { "end_time": "1:09:57", "start_time": "1:09:54", "text": "I'm gonna be linking all of Aaron's handles down below." }, { "end_time": "1:09:59", "start_time": "1:09:57", "text": "I'm gonna be linking his Instagram, his YouTube." }, { "end_time": "1:09:59", "start_time": "1:09:59", "text": "Go follow." }, { "end_time": "1:10:00", "start_time": "1:09:59", "text": "Go subscribe." }, { "end_time": "1:10:07", "start_time": "1:10:00", "text": "Aaron, any last signing of message for the tons of brown people watching this?" }, { "end_time": "1:10:08", "start_time": "1:10:07", "text": "Brown people everywhere." }, { "end_time": "1:10:11", "start_time": "1:10:08", "text": "Just know that I love you so much, and thank you for everything." }, { "end_time": "1:10:17", "start_time": "1:10:11", "text": "And I could never ever repay you, just for all of your love and support and and to keep working hard." }, { "end_time": "1:10:18", "start_time": "1:10:17", "text": "Keep your head up." }, { "end_time": "1:10:23", "start_time": "1:10:18", "text": "Regardless of where you are right now, it does not mean that you are gonna be here forever." }, { "end_time": "1:10:24", "start_time": "1:10:23", "text": "Just stay focused." }, { "end_time": "1:10:29", "start_time": "1:10:25", "text": "Do not let your your past define who you are, and, keep reaching for your dreams." }, { "end_time": "1:10:37", "start_time": "1:10:29", "text": "Know that it will and can get better and that you've got people out there like myself and mister beer biceps that are rooting for you." }, { "end_time": "1:10:42", "start_time": "1:10:37", "text": "And, and just, you know, it's it's, you know, stay strong and and be amazing." }, { "end_time": "1:10:48", "start_time": "1:10:42", "text": "And, you know, Renbeer, just the fact that they've got you, you know, it it means a lot." }, { "end_time": "1:10:52", "start_time": "1:10:48", "text": "And so congratulations to them, for you, and you, for them." }, { "end_time": "1:10:52", "start_time": "1:10:52", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:10:53", "start_time": "1:10:52", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:10:54", "start_time": "1:10:53", "text": "Thank you a 1000000 times." }, { "end_time": "1:10:59", "start_time": "1:10:54", "text": "I will see you guys soon, and, hopefully, Aaron and me will create a lot more videos together." }, { "end_time": "1:11:00", "start_time": "1:10:59", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "1:11:00", "start_time": "1:11:00", "text": "You bet." }, { "end_time": "1:11:01", "start_time": "1:11:01", "text": "See you around." }, { "end_time": "1:11:02", "start_time": "1:11:01", "text": "See you." } ] }

[ { "content": "**Task Description:** \nYou are provided with a YouTube video transcript in JSON format, where each entry is synchronized with its respective timestamp. This transcript contains the spoken text along with its start and end times. Your objective is to generate high-quality, chapter-wise segments that accurately represent key points or transitions within the video.\n\n**Transcript JSON Format:** \nThe transcript is formatted as a list of dictionaries, where each dictionary represents a spoken sentence, including its text and corresponding start and end times.\n\n**Example Transcript:** \n```json\n[\n {\n \"text\": \"The narrative in the public eye is that you left working with the Modi government because your opinions weren't heard.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:07\"\n },\n {\n \"text\": \"I want to know your side of the story.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:08\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:10\"\n },\n ...\n]\n```\n\n**Your Task:** \nUsing the given transcript, generate a JSON output that breaks down the video into meaningful chapters. Each chapter should encapsulate a key segment of the video and be accompanied by a concise, informative title that reflects the essence of that segment.\n\n**Chapter JSON Format:** \nThe output should follow this structure:\n```json\n{\n \"chapters\": [\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"title\": \"Introduction and Opening Remarks\"\n },\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:07\",\n \"title\": \"Discussing the Exit from Modi Government\"\n },\n ...\n ]\n}\n```\n\n**Requirements:** \n1. **Identify Key Segments:** Extract significant portions of the transcript that represent shifts in topic, important discussions, or transitions in conversation.\n2. **Craft Informative Titles:** Each chapter title should be clear, engaging, and directly related to the content covered in that segment.\n3. **Preserve Time Stamps:** Ensure that each chapter's `start_time` corresponds to the first instance of a key topic or segment in the transcript.\n4. **Conciseness is Key:** While titles should be descriptive, avoid making them overly lengthy. Aim for a balance between informativeness and brevity.", "role": "system" }, { "content": "{'transcripts': array([{'end_time': '0:02', 'start_time': '0:00', 'text': 'The dark times are the the times that define us.'},\n {'end_time': '0:04', 'start_time': '0:03', 'text': \"It's not the successes.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:04', 'start_time': '0:04', 'text': 'Right?'}, ...,\n {'end_time': '1:11:00', 'start_time': '1:11:00', 'text': 'You bet.'},\n {'end_time': '1:11:01', 'start_time': '1:11:01', 'text': 'See you around.'},\n {'end_time': '1:11:02', 'start_time': '1:11:01', 'text': 'See you.'}],\n dtype=object)}", "role": "user" }, { "content": "{'chapters': array([{'start_time': '00:00', 'title': 'Introduction'},\n {'start_time': '03:06', 'title': 'How does it feel to be an inspiration to the world'},\n {'start_time': '05:11', 'title': 'About short heighted people'},\n {'start_time': '07:01', 'title': 'About his insecurities'},\n {'start_time': '10:56', 'title': 'Ranveer on his insecurities'},\n {'start_time': '12:19', 'title': 'His YouTube journey'},\n {'start_time': '14:17', 'title': 'Dark phase of his life'},\n {'start_time': '15:33', 'title': 'His other businesses'},\n {'start_time': '17:24', 'title': 'About content creation'},\n {'start_time': '19:00', 'title': 'Mental health & confidence levels'},\n {'start_time': '23:35', 'title': 'YouTube in 2032'},\n {'start_time': '24:28', 'title': 'His believe in God'},\n {'start_time': '30:20', 'title': 'His SharkTank experience'},\n {'start_time': '33:18', 'title': 'His end goals'},\n {'start_time': '36:17', 'title': 'His weaknesses'},\n {'start_time': '39:57', 'title': 'About his personal finance'},\n {'start_time': '42:45', 'title': 'Views of being an American'},\n {'start_time': '46:44', 'title': 'Coronavirus in the U.S.'},\n {'start_time': '48:51', 'title': 'Business opportunities after Coronavirus phase'},\n {'start_time': '54:20', 'title': 'Fashion industry after Coronavirus situation'},\n {'start_time': '55:52', 'title': 'His future businesses'},\n {'start_time': '58:16', 'title': 'About relationships'},\n {'start_time': '1:00:10', 'title': 'Work life balance'},\n {'start_time': '1:03:15', 'title': 'Relationship advice'},\n {'start_time': '1:05:46', 'title': 'How does he wants the world to remember him'},\n {'start_time': '1:07:26', 'title': \"Aaron's Feedback for BeerBiceps\"}],\n dtype=object)}", "role": "assistant" } ]

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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:05", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "So most phones, still don't have eye tracking, at least as far as we know." }, { "end_time": "0:10", "start_time": "0:05", "text": "Imagine if they give you scrolling through eyes as a feature." }, { "end_time": "0:11", "start_time": "0:10", "text": "Now you don't even have to touch it." }, { "end_time": "0:13", "start_time": "0:11", "text": "You have to look as you look down." }, { "end_time": "0:15", "start_time": "0:13", "text": "The scroll goes up automatically." }, { "end_time": "0:16", "start_time": "0:15", "text": "You don't have to click on it." }, { "end_time": "0:21", "start_time": "0:16", "text": "Just blink on it or just keep your eyes paused on a particular point, and it just selects itself." }, { "end_time": "0:25", "start_time": "0:21", "text": "What if the screen becomes that intuitive that you don't need your hands at all?" }, { "end_time": "0:29", "start_time": "0:25", "text": "There is something called MR spectroscopy and MR tractography." }, { "end_time": "0:31", "start_time": "0:29", "text": "Now these are 2 new techniques." }, { "end_time": "0:34", "start_time": "0:31", "text": "You can see the fibers of the brain." }, { "end_time": "0:36", "start_time": "0:34", "text": "And if you haven't seen it, guys, you should check it out." }, { "end_time": "0:41", "start_time": "0:36", "text": "One of the most beautiful images that you can see all the fibers of the brain in different colors." }, { "end_time": "0:44", "start_time": "0:42", "text": "Your brain looks so gorgeous." }, { "end_time": "0:46", "start_time": "0:45", "text": "That's actually my desktop wallpaper." }, { "end_time": "0:48", "start_time": "0:48", "text": "Doctor." }, { "end_time": "0:51", "start_time": "0:48", "text": "Saeed Warrior returns on the show to speak to engineer Ranveer Allahabadia." }, { "end_time": "0:54", "start_time": "0:51", "text": "That was the beauty of this particular podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:04", "start_time": "0:54", "text": "While we speak about crypto and Web 3 and the metaverse, there's a lot of biotech that's going to become a huge and important reality for all of us." }, { "end_time": "1:11", "start_time": "1:04", "text": "This is a conversation between a doctor and an engineer discussing everything from Neuralink to stem cells to nanobots." }, { "end_time": "1:18", "start_time": "1:12", "text": "Little tiny robots that will infiltrate our bloodstream and help our bodies basically never die." }, { "end_time": "1:23", "start_time": "1:19", "text": "The human race is at the brink of a huge biotech revolution." }, { "end_time": "1:28", "start_time": "1:24", "text": "It's very important for all of us to know about what the near future holds." }, { "end_time": "1:36", "start_time": "1:28", "text": "So keeping that in mind, this is a fantastic, slightly technical, but perspective enriching episode with Doctor." }, { "end_time": "1:36", "start_time": "1:36", "text": "Sid Wario." }, { "end_time": "1:48", "start_time": "1:37", "text": "If you're sitting outside of India, our job on TRS is to bring you the best perspectives and experiences and minds that India has to offer to the world." }, { "end_time": "1:51", "start_time": "1:48", "text": "So to keep in touch with TRS, make sure you follow us on Spotify." }, { "end_time": "1:58", "start_time": "1:52", "text": "Every episode is available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world because we're a Spotify exclusive." }, { "end_time": "2:02", "start_time": "1:58", "text": "If you enjoyed this episode with Sid Worrall actually, you know what?" }, { "end_time": "2:05", "start_time": "2:02", "text": "I'll say that in the outro because I know you're going to enjoy it." }, { "end_time": "2:06", "start_time": "2:05", "text": "Very technical." }, { "end_time": "2:10", "start_time": "2:07", "text": "Biology meets Physics." }, { "end_time": "2:12", "start_time": "2:10", "text": "I think you're gonna enjoy this one." }, { "end_time": "2:32", "start_time": "2:29", "text": "Doctor Sid Vohrey, another epic podcast with you." }, { "end_time": "2:43", "start_time": "2:32", "text": "We gotta talk about the dangers of future tech, the, fears that a lot of people have when it comes to the metaverse or after seeing a lot of Black Mirror episodes." }, { "end_time": "2:44", "start_time": "2:43", "text": "You're a Black Mirror fan." }, { "end_time": "2:45", "start_time": "2:44", "text": "I'm a Black Mirror fan." }, { "end_time": "2:46", "start_time": "2:45", "text": "So is Harari." }, { "end_time": "2:52", "start_time": "2:47", "text": "And Harari said about Black Mirror that it's weird how I know how he talks, but you know what I mean?" }, { "end_time": "2:59", "start_time": "2:53", "text": "He said it's weird that Black Mirror is showing these things because they are very close to what's happening in reality." }, { "end_time": "3:03", "start_time": "2:59", "text": "These Black Mirror style technologies are actually going to come up very soon." }, { "end_time": "3:07", "start_time": "3:03", "text": "We've had a lot of entrepreneurs on the show speak about the metaverse and technology." }, { "end_time": "3:11", "start_time": "3:07", "text": "We've had, some kind of coder speak about it." }, { "end_time": "3:14", "start_time": "3:11", "text": "We've never had a doctor speak about these things." }, { "end_time": "3:28", "start_time": "3:14", "text": "And I also feel that a huge part of future tech that's near us is this machine body interface kind of tech where, earlier we used to look at computer screens, and, you know, do everything you want on a computer." }, { "end_time": "3:32", "start_time": "3:28", "text": "Then the computer screen came closer to us in our phones." }, { "end_time": "3:32", "start_time": "3:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:35", "start_time": "3:32", "text": "And now the computer screen gradually will make its way into our bodies." }, { "end_time": "3:36", "start_time": "3:35", "text": "What's up?" }, { "end_time": "3:37", "start_time": "3:36", "text": "Where do we even begin?" }, { "end_time": "3:39", "start_time": "3:37", "text": "It's a brave new world." }, { "end_time": "3:41", "start_time": "3:40", "text": "As a doctor, firstly, do you agree?" }, { "end_time": "3:43", "start_time": "3:41", "text": "Keith, this is all this is happening?" }, { "end_time": "3:43", "start_time": "3:43", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "3:44", "start_time": "3:43", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "3:44", "start_time": "3:44", "text": "I do." }, { "end_time": "3:47", "start_time": "3:45", "text": "Do you know why Black Mirror is named what it is?" }, { "end_time": "3:51", "start_time": "3:48", "text": "So we are spending all day looking at the screen." }, { "end_time": "3:51", "start_time": "3:51", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "3:58", "start_time": "3:52", "text": "And when you turn off the screen, you're looking at yourself, and then that screen cracks." }, { "end_time": "4:02", "start_time": "3:59", "text": "So it's your own reality cracking." }, { "end_time": "4:05", "start_time": "4:03", "text": "It's a crazy concept." }, { "end_time": "4:11", "start_time": "4:05", "text": "So when I looked at when I saw Black Mirror for the first time, I realized that this is a horror show, actually." }, { "end_time": "4:18", "start_time": "4:12", "text": "And, the reason why it's a horror show is because earlier, horror stories used to be about ghosts." }, { "end_time": "4:26", "start_time": "4:19", "text": "Scary, which is ghosts, bhoot, pred, which at a time people believed was possible." }, { "end_time": "4:28", "start_time": "4:27", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "4:33", "start_time": "4:28", "text": "So all good horror stories need to have that possibility of truth." }, { "end_time": "4:39", "start_time": "4:34", "text": "Today, conjuring will not be a horror story because it is fictional." }, { "end_time": "4:41", "start_time": "4:39", "text": "We know that is not happening." }, { "end_time": "4:44", "start_time": "4:43", "text": "Black mirror is possible." }, { "end_time": "4:46", "start_time": "4:44", "text": "Black mirror can happen." }, { "end_time": "4:50", "start_time": "4:46", "text": "Today, we believe that black mirror can happen, and it is scary." }, { "end_time": "4:54", "start_time": "4:50", "text": "So 2022 horror story is black mirror." }, { "end_time": "4:58", "start_time": "4:55", "text": "Let's kind of make this an everyday example." }, { "end_time": "5:00", "start_time": "4:58", "text": "People talk about data being the new oil." }, { "end_time": "5:05", "start_time": "5:00", "text": "Everyone knows that, the big companies in the world, have access to a lot of our data." }, { "end_time": "5:07", "start_time": "5:05", "text": "It's probably know about our minds better than we do." }, { "end_time": "5:07", "start_time": "5:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:10", "start_time": "5:07", "text": "If you don't know what this concept is, what's social dilemma on Netflix?" }, { "end_time": "5:23", "start_time": "5:11", "text": "I would also like to say that there's an episode of Black Mirror where the main character is in a world where she's rating everyone she meets, and she's rating all the experiences she has, and people are rating her back." }, { "end_time": "5:25", "start_time": "5:24", "text": "Therefore, she's forced to be nice." }, { "end_time": "5:31", "start_time": "5:25", "text": "But then when the human element kicks in and emotions kick in and she flips out somewhere, people start negatively rating her." }, { "end_time": "5:33", "start_time": "5:31", "text": "And her whole life is built around ratings." }, { "end_time": "5:33", "start_time": "5:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:36", "start_time": "5:33", "text": "And therefore, her self image, what's it called?" }, { "end_time": "5:40", "start_time": "5:36", "text": "Self, the image of herself in her mind also starts slipping off." }, { "end_time": "5:44", "start_time": "5:40", "text": "Now we think that's the future, but that's happening in 2 places already." }, { "end_time": "5:49", "start_time": "5:44", "text": "1, the social media you use, and 2, the taxi drivers that you rate." }, { "end_time": "5:50", "start_time": "5:49", "text": "They also rate you back." }, { "end_time": "5:51", "start_time": "5:50", "text": "How was this rider?" }, { "end_time": "5:51", "start_time": "5:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:53", "start_time": "5:51", "text": "You think you're just giving them 5 stars?" }, { "end_time": "5:55", "start_time": "5:53", "text": "They also give you 5 stars or 3 stars." }, { "end_time": "5:56", "start_time": "5:55", "text": "It's starting." }, { "end_time": "5:56", "start_time": "5:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:01", "start_time": "5:56", "text": "And the algorithm will assign you a correct driver or a wrong driver based on your rating." }, { "end_time": "6:02", "start_time": "6:01", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "6:06", "start_time": "6:02", "text": "And this is one business, but every business that you interact with gradually is gonna do this." }, { "end_time": "6:14", "start_time": "6:06", "text": "What is dystopian is that in that episode, she may or may not get a house loan depending on how others rate you." }, { "end_time": "6:22", "start_time": "6:14", "text": "So already banks are doing that based on your spending capital and your, the ability for you to pay off your past credit card loans." }, { "end_time": "6:23", "start_time": "6:22", "text": "You get a score." }, { "end_time": "6:24", "start_time": "6:23", "text": "A civil score is that." }, { "end_time": "6:26", "start_time": "6:24", "text": "The better your score, the better your loans." }, { "end_time": "6:28", "start_time": "6:26", "text": "But now we're talking of social capital." }, { "end_time": "6:35", "start_time": "6:28", "text": "Now even if today all your friends hate you, your bank will still give you money if there is enough, evidence that you will pay it off." }, { "end_time": "6:40", "start_time": "6:36", "text": "Suppose we enter a society where your bank will not give you money because nobody trusts you." }, { "end_time": "6:45", "start_time": "6:40", "text": "Your friends don't trust you, and they know that because they can see your friends rating of you." }, { "end_time": "7:00", "start_time": "6:46", "text": "This is I had read this article about how China was running this experiment where on an app, you can rate and you can inform the government of crimes that you see in your neighborhood." }, { "end_time": "7:02", "start_time": "7:00", "text": "Essentially, you rat out your neighbors." }, { "end_time": "7:11", "start_time": "7:02", "text": "So if they have parked the car wrong or if they have thrown out the trash in a wrong way, if you point it out, you get points." }, { "end_time": "7:18", "start_time": "7:12", "text": "So it's kind of like social policing where you encourage everybody to police each other." }, { "end_time": "7:19", "start_time": "7:18", "text": "It is dystopian." }, { "end_time": "7:20", "start_time": "7:19", "text": "It is already happening." }, { "end_time": "7:24", "start_time": "7:21", "text": "And the more we are connected to each other, the more these things can happen." }, { "end_time": "7:26", "start_time": "7:26", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "7:29", "start_time": "7:26", "text": "Because you're a neurologist, let's talk specifically about the brain." }, { "end_time": "7:32", "start_time": "7:30", "text": "Let's begin with, say, Neuralink." }, { "end_time": "7:32", "start_time": "7:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:38", "start_time": "7:32", "text": "I think there's one more company called Synchron, which has achieved a lot of progress in, this computer brain interface." }, { "end_time": "7:43", "start_time": "7:38", "text": "Why don't you explain what these things are to someone who's never heard these words, Neuralink and Synchron?" }, { "end_time": "7:43", "start_time": "7:43", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "7:45", "start_time": "7:43", "text": "And then why don't you explain the possibilities?" }, { "end_time": "7:47", "start_time": "7:47", "text": "Alright." }, { "end_time": "7:55", "start_time": "7:47", "text": "The best way to understand the purpose of Neuralink is to think about the speed of data transfer." }, { "end_time": "7:55", "start_time": "7:55", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "7:57", "start_time": "7:56", "text": "So you and I are talking." }, { "end_time": "7:58", "start_time": "7:57", "text": "I can hear you." }, { "end_time": "8:00", "start_time": "7:58", "text": "My brain is processing it." }, { "end_time": "8:05", "start_time": "8:00", "text": "My brain is telling my mouth and my lips and my tongue to speak words, and you can hear it." }, { "end_time": "8:10", "start_time": "8:06", "text": "So we are communicating at a rate of, say, 5 words per second, 2 words per second." }, { "end_time": "8:11", "start_time": "8:10", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "8:20", "start_time": "8:11", "text": "Now if I have to tell some other friend what you have told me, I have to physically go and tell them this is 5000 years ago." }, { "end_time": "8:24", "start_time": "8:20", "text": "Then you increase this rate of communication by creating a postal network." }, { "end_time": "8:26", "start_time": "8:24", "text": "Now I can write a letter and send it across." }, { "end_time": "8:28", "start_time": "8:27", "text": "Then you come up with telephones." }, { "end_time": "8:29", "start_time": "8:28", "text": "Now it's even faster." }, { "end_time": "8:31", "start_time": "8:29", "text": "Rate of communication is faster." }, { "end_time": "8:33", "start_time": "8:31", "text": "Then you come up with via emails." }, { "end_time": "8:35", "start_time": "8:33", "text": "Then you come up with Wi Fi." }, { "end_time": "8:39", "start_time": "8:35", "text": "So the rate of communication between all of us is increasing better and better." }, { "end_time": "8:43", "start_time": "8:40", "text": "Now I have to interact with the mobile." }, { "end_time": "8:48", "start_time": "8:44", "text": "How quickly can I get a message to you depends on how quickly I can type?" }, { "end_time": "8:51", "start_time": "8:49", "text": "So that is the rate of communication." }, { "end_time": "8:54", "start_time": "8:51", "text": "If I can type 50 words in a minute, that is the rate of communication." }, { "end_time": "8:58", "start_time": "8:55", "text": "What if I can type as quickly as I can speak?" }, { "end_time": "9:01", "start_time": "8:59", "text": "That is the next step, voice detection." }, { "end_time": "9:05", "start_time": "9:02", "text": "What if I can type as quickly as I can think?" }, { "end_time": "9:10", "start_time": "9:07", "text": "So that is where brain machine interfacing comes in." }, { "end_time": "9:15", "start_time": "9:11", "text": "We are already living in a brain machine interface, except that right now, the interface." }, { "end_time": "9:16", "start_time": "9:15", "text": "What is interface?" }, { "end_time": "9:18", "start_time": "9:16", "text": "It is a barrier between two things." }, { "end_time": "9:22", "start_time": "9:18", "text": "So right now, the interface between me and my mobile is my thumb." }, { "end_time": "9:26", "start_time": "9:23", "text": "How quickly my thumb moves is how quickly I can interact with the machine." }, { "end_time": "9:40", "start_time": "9:27", "text": "But if there is a chip in my brain which can read my thoughts theoretically, and I can directly think out words that can get typed so that interface becomes my thinking." }, { "end_time": "9:44", "start_time": "9:40", "text": "So how quickly can I think will decide how quickly I can type?" }, { "end_time": "9:47", "start_time": "9:45", "text": "Also, how quickly I can move things?" }, { "end_time": "9:55", "start_time": "9:48", "text": "So right now, if I have to start a car, the interface is that I have to move my arm and turn the ignition." }, { "end_time": "9:59", "start_time": "9:55", "text": "But what if there is a link directly from my brain to the car engine?" }, { "end_time": "10:01", "start_time": "10:00", "text": "That means that I don't need a key." }, { "end_time": "10:03", "start_time": "10:01", "text": "I don't need that key ignition." }, { "end_time": "10:04", "start_time": "10:03", "text": "None of that." }, { "end_time": "10:07", "start_time": "10:04", "text": "It's a direct interface." }, { "end_time": "10:19", "start_time": "10:07", "text": "So brain machine interfacing essentially means connecting your brain to all the other equipment around you, which right now it is already connected, except it is connected through your arms and physical movement." }, { "end_time": "10:21", "start_time": "10:19", "text": "So you are side stepping that." }, { "end_time": "10:23", "start_time": "10:23", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "10:25", "start_time": "10:24", "text": "Engineering question." }, { "end_time": "10:27", "start_time": "10:25", "text": "Engineering student, medical student." }, { "end_time": "10:28", "start_time": "10:27", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "10:29", "start_time": "10:28", "text": "Brain machine interface." }, { "end_time": "10:31", "start_time": "10:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:34", "start_time": "10:32", "text": "The question to you is that parents dream." }, { "end_time": "10:36", "start_time": "10:35", "text": "Oh, man." }, { "end_time": "10:39", "start_time": "10:36", "text": "If only if only you weren't a guy." }, { "end_time": "10:43", "start_time": "10:39", "text": "2 content creators talking about how we made our parents proud." }, { "end_time": "10:43", "start_time": "10:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:44", "start_time": "10:44", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "10:51", "start_time": "10:45", "text": "Now, when you study computers at a very basic level Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "10:54", "start_time": "10:51", "text": "Terms of the softwares we use are created using code." }, { "end_time": "10:55", "start_time": "10:55", "text": "Decoded." }, { "end_time": "10:59", "start_time": "10:56", "text": "What are the codes created with?" }, { "end_time": "11:01", "start_time": "10:59", "text": "What is the building block of code?" }, { "end_time": "11:03", "start_time": "11:01", "text": "Or what is the building block of a computer?" }, { "end_time": "11:08", "start_time": "11:04", "text": "The building block of a computer is something called a microchip or a microprocessor." }, { "end_time": "11:12", "start_time": "11:08", "text": "We are a subject called MUPEMUCI, microchips and microprocessors." }, { "end_time": "11:13", "start_time": "11:12", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "11:13", "start_time": "11:13", "text": "Alright." }, { "end_time": "11:19", "start_time": "11:14", "text": "The basic logic of that is that everything inside a computer is built up of zeros and ones." }, { "end_time": "11:19", "start_time": "11:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:20", "start_time": "11:19", "text": "The binary." }, { "end_time": "11:20", "start_time": "11:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:21", "start_time": "11:20", "text": "The binary." }, { "end_time": "11:25", "start_time": "11:21", "text": "So if you type an a, the computer doesn't read it as an a." }, { "end_time": "11:25", "start_time": "11:25", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "11:28", "start_time": "11:25", "text": "The language of the computer speaks is only 010101." }, { "end_time": "11:33", "start_time": "11:29", "text": "So the code the a as a combination of zeros and ones, and that's the basic logical binding." }, { "end_time": "11:35", "start_time": "11:33", "text": "A b is another combination." }, { "end_time": "11:36", "start_time": "11:35", "text": "A C is another combination." }, { "end_time": "11:39", "start_time": "11:37", "text": "Numeral symbols, they all have their own combinations." }, { "end_time": "11:42", "start_time": "11:39", "text": "And then you put letters together, you get words." }, { "end_time": "11:44", "start_time": "11:42", "text": "You put words together, you get sentences." }, { "end_time": "11:50", "start_time": "11:44", "text": "Sentences are, basically the building blocks of a code." }, { "end_time": "11:51", "start_time": "11:51", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "11:54", "start_time": "11:51", "text": "But when you boil down to its basic, it's 0s and ones." }, { "end_time": "11:58", "start_time": "11:54", "text": "If you boil that down even further, it means there's a lot of circuits inside a computer." }, { "end_time": "12:01", "start_time": "11:58", "text": "And every time it reads a one, it fires an electrical volt." }, { "end_time": "12:03", "start_time": "12:01", "text": "And every time it reads 0, it doesn't." }, { "end_time": "12:04", "start_time": "12:03", "text": "Or the other way." }, { "end_time": "12:09", "start_time": "12:05", "text": "But my point is, I'm asking you about the biological version of this." }, { "end_time": "12:11", "start_time": "12:09", "text": "Does your brain work in the same way?" }, { "end_time": "12:13", "start_time": "12:11", "text": "Like, does it understand binary only?" }, { "end_time": "12:17", "start_time": "12:13", "text": "Is that the logic behind them creating brain machine interfaces?" }, { "end_time": "12:18", "start_time": "12:18", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "12:25", "start_time": "12:18", "text": "So brain machine interfaces is to directly map which areas of the brain are firing." }, { "end_time": "12:25", "start_time": "12:25", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "12:29", "start_time": "12:25", "text": "So we are not going into the molecular level yet." }, { "end_time": "12:31", "start_time": "12:29", "text": "We don't have the technology to do that." }, { "end_time": "12:40", "start_time": "12:31", "text": "At the molecular level, it is very similar, except that it's more like a cubit, not a bit, where it's not a binary." }, { "end_time": "12:45", "start_time": "12:41", "text": "So there is a open state, a closed state, and a semi open state for receptors." }, { "end_time": "12:47", "start_time": "12:46", "text": "It's too mad." }, { "end_time": "12:48", "start_time": "12:47", "text": "It's too deep." }, { "end_time": "12:51", "start_time": "12:48", "text": "But Instead of a binary, there's a trinary or whatever." }, { "end_time": "12:51", "start_time": "12:51", "text": "Sort of." }, { "end_time": "12:52", "start_time": "12:51", "text": "Something like that." }, { "end_time": "13:05", "start_time": "12:52", "text": "So when a sign when 2 neurons are talking to each other, there are receptors that can let sodium ions in, calcium ions in, and that is what determines whether that neuron will fire or not." }, { "end_time": "13:18", "start_time": "13:05", "text": "Now you can either have a closed state, so that means a neuron will not fire, an open state, but it is going to fire, or a semi open state where it may fire depending on all the other variables." }, { "end_time": "13:19", "start_time": "13:19", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "13:25", "start_time": "13:20", "text": "So it's a much more complex system than of just ones and zeros." }, { "end_time": "13:34", "start_time": "13:25", "text": "My question is, Synchron, this company that we read about, they were able to get a paralyzed man to write a sentence using just his thoughts." }, { "end_time": "13:34", "start_time": "13:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:36", "start_time": "13:35", "text": "How did that happen?" }, { "end_time": "13:40", "start_time": "13:36", "text": "Like, I understand how it happened on the computer side, but what happened on the biology side?" }, { "end_time": "13:44", "start_time": "13:41", "text": "So when, I'll take the example of the monkey." }, { "end_time": "13:45", "start_time": "13:44", "text": "It's easier to understand." }, { "end_time": "13:53", "start_time": "13:46", "text": "When Neuralink was able to train a monkey to play a video game with just his thoughts." }, { "end_time": "14:00", "start_time": "13:53", "text": "So initially, what he did was, what the company did was they gave a monkey a remote." }, { "end_time": "14:01", "start_time": "14:01", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "14:09", "start_time": "14:01", "text": "And with the remote, he has to move a block around the screen, and it has to he has to bounce a ball around the screen." }, { "end_time": "14:20", "start_time": "14:09", "text": "So every time the ball would hit the the block, the monkey would be able to get us spurt of strawberry or it's like a sweet liquid." }, { "end_time": "14:24", "start_time": "14:20", "text": "So that's a, reward mechanism." }, { "end_time": "14:24", "start_time": "14:24", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "14:26", "start_time": "14:24", "text": "So now the monkey knows that." }, { "end_time": "14:26", "start_time": "14:26", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "14:31", "start_time": "14:26", "text": "I have to keep on doing this in order to keep getting that dopamine kick." }, { "end_time": "14:43", "start_time": "14:32", "text": "But without that monkey being aware, the computer was detecting every time he would move his hand to the right, which area would fire, Move to the left, which area would fire?" }, { "end_time": "14:44", "start_time": "14:43", "text": "Up, which area would fire?" }, { "end_time": "14:45", "start_time": "14:44", "text": "Down, which area would fire?" }, { "end_time": "14:51", "start_time": "14:45", "text": "And the company was just reading all of that and correlating with the actual hand movement." }, { "end_time": "15:02", "start_time": "14:52", "text": "Once it has figured that out, it disconnected the, remote from the screen and directly connected the brain to the screen." }, { "end_time": "15:03", "start_time": "15:02", "text": "The monkey didn't know that." }, { "end_time": "15:05", "start_time": "15:03", "text": "The monkey is still moving the remote." }, { "end_time": "15:15", "start_time": "15:06", "text": "But now every time that particular area will fire, the screen will automatically move, and the monkey still thinks that I'm moving it with my remote." }, { "end_time": "15:25", "start_time": "15:16", "text": "So every time you want to execute a particular action, like, for example, if I want to move my index finger, a separate area of my brain is firing." }, { "end_time": "15:28", "start_time": "15:25", "text": "If I want to move my little finger, a separate area is firing." }, { "end_time": "15:33", "start_time": "15:28", "text": "So if I can map that onto a code, I don't need my hand." }, { "end_time": "15:34", "start_time": "15:34", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "15:41", "start_time": "15:34", "text": "So if I'm pressing the remote, the only reason I have to press the remote is because there is no way for my brain to directly press the remote." }, { "end_time": "15:45", "start_time": "15:42", "text": "But if I can connect my brain to this, it is direct." }, { "end_time": "15:46", "start_time": "15:45", "text": "Same for words." }, { "end_time": "15:48", "start_time": "15:47", "text": "Same for language." }, { "end_time": "16:01", "start_time": "15:48", "text": "If I have although language is more complex than just moving a particular finger, but it is still possible that if you have to come up with certain words, you can map your brain accordingly." }, { "end_time": "16:11", "start_time": "16:02", "text": "What is more easy is suppose if I have 10 words in front of me, I can move my eyes to a particular point, and that can pick up the word." }, { "end_time": "16:13", "start_time": "16:11", "text": "That is what Stephen Hawking did." }, { "end_time": "16:15", "start_time": "16:13", "text": "He experimented with multiple things." }, { "end_time": "16:19", "start_time": "16:16", "text": "So you're able to pick up words with your eyes." }, { "end_time": "16:21", "start_time": "16:19", "text": "That is another way of playing machine interfacing." }, { "end_time": "16:23", "start_time": "16:22", "text": "What about dreams?" }, { "end_time": "16:27", "start_time": "16:23", "text": "I actually read about this research that's being done to showcase dreams visually." }, { "end_time": "16:35", "start_time": "16:28", "text": "So if you're dreaming, they are trying to work on technologies which will actually be able to showcase sort of what the dream looks." }, { "end_time": "16:38", "start_time": "16:35", "text": "As far as I know, it's not been successful yet." }, { "end_time": "16:38", "start_time": "16:38", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "16:49", "start_time": "16:39", "text": "Because there is there is actually no not a big screen that is playing in your brain, and you can just, output it onto a real world screen." }, { "end_time": "16:55", "start_time": "16:50", "text": "It's just neural networks firing together, coming up with an image, and then it disintegrating." }, { "end_time": "17:01", "start_time": "16:57", "text": "But you can map which areas are getting fired." }, { "end_time": "17:09", "start_time": "17:02", "text": "And if you are successful enough and if you go down deep enough, you can map which areas represent which memories." }, { "end_time": "17:17", "start_time": "17:11", "text": "As far as I know so far, they have not been successful in doing that, but I have no doubt that it will happen." }, { "end_time": "17:38", "start_time": "17:17", "text": "So from all this, what I gather is that on the biology side, when they're trying to, get the brain part of the computer brain interface or the machine brain interface, it's basically a device, a machine that maps out your entire brain with all its details And then takes out parts to construct something on the computer side." }, { "end_time": "17:38", "start_time": "17:38", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "17:39", "start_time": "17:39", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "17:43", "start_time": "17:39", "text": "It tries to decode what this part firing means." }, { "end_time": "17:48", "start_time": "17:43", "text": "Now the complicated part is that the same part can fire for multiple reasons." }, { "end_time": "17:57", "start_time": "17:48", "text": "Like, for example, if I'm walking and certain parts of my brain are firing, those same parts could also fire if I'm listening to, say, a Michael Jackson song." }, { "end_time": "18:02", "start_time": "17:58", "text": "So now if that part fires, what will the computer interpret it as?" }, { "end_time": "18:05", "start_time": "18:03", "text": "So it has to understand the complexity." }, { "end_time": "18:11", "start_time": "18:05", "text": "It has to understand the context of a particular pattern of network firing, which is why the challenge is there." }, { "end_time": "18:11", "start_time": "18:11", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "18:12", "start_time": "18:11", "text": "Deeper question." }, { "end_time": "18:21", "start_time": "18:13", "text": "If I move my left hand and if you move your left hand, is this same part of both our brains firing, or is it different for me and different for you?" }, { "end_time": "18:24", "start_time": "18:21", "text": "It's it'll be very, very similar." }, { "end_time": "18:28", "start_time": "18:24", "text": "So if you're if you're moving your left arm, the right motor cortex is moving." }, { "end_time": "18:29", "start_time": "18:29", "text": "Same for me." }, { "end_time": "18:30", "start_time": "18:29", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "18:33", "start_time": "18:30", "text": "So that much, homogenicity is there." }, { "end_time": "18:40", "start_time": "18:33", "text": "Like, both of our brains will be wired that similarly, which is why movement is probably the easiest one to monitor initially." }, { "end_time": "18:42", "start_time": "18:40", "text": "Language is more difficult." }, { "end_time": "18:44", "start_time": "18:42", "text": "Memories, emotions are even more difficult." }, { "end_time": "18:55", "start_time": "18:44", "text": "So I think what Elon Musk said on our Joe Rogan Experience podcast was that the main purpose of Neuralink initially is to fix all the neurological problems that we find the brain." }, { "end_time": "18:56", "start_time": "18:55", "text": "You're a neurologist." }, { "end_time": "18:58", "start_time": "18:56", "text": "It's your job to do this." }, { "end_time": "19:05", "start_time": "18:58", "text": "Now, how do you, one, feel about a technology like that coming in and maybe, I won't say, taking away your job, but sort of affecting your profession?" }, { "end_time": "19:09", "start_time": "19:06", "text": "And second, is that actually possible speaking as a neurologist?" }, { "end_time": "19:09", "start_time": "19:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:10", "start_time": "19:09", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "19:12", "start_time": "19:10", "text": "And it's not taking away my profession." }, { "end_time": "19:14", "start_time": "19:12", "text": "There's already devices that do this." }, { "end_time": "19:16", "start_time": "19:14", "text": "There's something called as deep brain stimulation." }, { "end_time": "19:29", "start_time": "19:16", "text": "So if a part of your brain isn't working as well, for example, in Parkinson's, you heard of Parkinson's, a part of the brain where dopamine is supposed to be acting, that part disintegrates or doesn't work as well." }, { "end_time": "19:39", "start_time": "19:30", "text": "So we put in a stimulator, like a battery operated stimulator, and that will give electric impulses to that area to stimulate it." }, { "end_time": "19:42", "start_time": "19:39", "text": "Like, surgically or surgically, you put it into the brains." }, { "end_time": "19:44", "start_time": "19:42", "text": "That is called deep brain stimulation." }, { "end_time": "19:49", "start_time": "19:45", "text": "So it is like, battery charging a car." }, { "end_time": "19:52", "start_time": "19:49", "text": "You know, you you kick start a car if it's not working." }, { "end_time": "19:55", "start_time": "19:52", "text": "So that's how deep brain stimulation works." }, { "end_time": "20:00", "start_time": "19:55", "text": "It's already happening, and it is part of the treatment options that we offer to Parkinson's patients." }, { "end_time": "20:08", "start_time": "20:03", "text": "Or if who who have become tolerant to medicines, who have whose disease has advanced so much." }, { "end_time": "20:11", "start_time": "20:08", "text": "There are other surgical solutions." }, { "end_time": "20:13", "start_time": "20:11", "text": "Like, for example, seizure." }, { "end_time": "20:15", "start_time": "20:13", "text": "You have a you have a epilepsy disorder." }, { "end_time": "20:19", "start_time": "20:16", "text": "Epilepsy is when there is uncontrolled electrical activity." }, { "end_time": "20:24", "start_time": "20:19", "text": "So you can put in an implant that can cancel out a seizure." }, { "end_time": "20:29", "start_time": "20:24", "text": "So if there's electrical activity coming from here, you cancel it out so that the seizure stops spreading." }, { "end_time": "20:34", "start_time": "20:30", "text": "That is also one of the ways in which you can treat an epilepsy patient." }, { "end_time": "20:35", "start_time": "20:34", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "20:43", "start_time": "20:35", "text": "In terms of and there's so many more questions I have about biohacking, the genome project, all that shit we're going to get into." }, { "end_time": "20:47", "start_time": "20:43", "text": "But for now, I want to actually just talk to the doctor, Inu." }, { "end_time": "20:55", "start_time": "20:48", "text": "When we talk about things like brain surgery, say just for the medical profession, it's the most difficult field to get into?" }, { "end_time": "20:57", "start_time": "20:55", "text": "Anything related to the brain?" }, { "end_time": "20:59", "start_time": "20:58", "text": "Neurosurgeon?" }, { "end_time": "20:59", "start_time": "20:59", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "21:04", "start_time": "20:59", "text": "Neurosurgery is definitely one of the most complex, fields to, you know, become." }, { "end_time": "21:07", "start_time": "21:06", "text": "It's not about difficulty." }, { "end_time": "21:16", "start_time": "21:07", "text": "It's a cardiac surgeon, you know, it's undergoing training that is as intensive and doing procedures that are as complex." }, { "end_time": "21:24", "start_time": "21:17", "text": "It is the difficulty in getting the post is not the not what the conversation is about." }, { "end_time": "21:28", "start_time": "21:25", "text": "The complexity of what they're doing, definitely." }, { "end_time": "21:29", "start_time": "21:28", "text": "As a surgeon." }, { "end_time": "21:34", "start_time": "21:29", "text": "As a surgeon because we understand the heart a lot more than we understand the brain." }, { "end_time": "21:35", "start_time": "21:34", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "21:37", "start_time": "21:35", "text": "So a neurosurgeon, like a brain surgeon?" }, { "end_time": "21:43", "start_time": "21:37", "text": "A brain surgeon or what a brain surgeon does is definitely one of the most complex procedures in medical science." }, { "end_time": "21:44", "start_time": "21:43", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "21:45", "start_time": "21:44", "text": "Because of this." }, { "end_time": "21:48", "start_time": "21:45", "text": "Because our understanding of the brain is still evolving." }, { "end_time": "21:53", "start_time": "21:49", "text": "We are still learning how different parts of the brain communicate with each other." }, { "end_time": "21:59", "start_time": "21:53", "text": "We're still learning how, one part of the brain will affect a patient's health overall." }, { "end_time": "22:03", "start_time": "22:00", "text": "So because of that, I believe it is challenging." }, { "end_time": "22:08", "start_time": "22:03", "text": "And, also because we are still understanding how neuroplasticity works." }, { "end_time": "22:16", "start_time": "22:09", "text": "So how much of a brain can be removed that is problematic and still give the patient a quality of life that is good?" }, { "end_time": "22:17", "start_time": "22:17", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "22:19", "start_time": "22:17", "text": "These are things that we are still learning about." }, { "end_time": "22:19", "start_time": "22:19", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "22:31", "start_time": "22:19", "text": "For people who are listening into doctor Sidhuare on the show, the first time neuroplasticity is your brain's ability to build up further parts of itself or break down old parts of itself over the course of your life." }, { "end_time": "22:34", "start_time": "22:31", "text": "It's possible for you to have it formation and good sleep." }, { "end_time": "22:36", "start_time": "22:34", "text": "That's Thank you." }, { "end_time": "22:41", "start_time": "22:36", "text": "This is why I need someone like Ranveer to explain things because I sometimes get carried away." }, { "end_time": "22:41", "start_time": "22:41", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "22:41", "start_time": "22:41", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "22:42", "start_time": "22:41", "text": "Fair." }, { "end_time": "22:46", "start_time": "22:42", "text": "I I also think by this point, if people haven't checked all the other episodes with you, it's a crime." }, { "end_time": "22:47", "start_time": "22:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:47", "start_time": "22:47", "text": "It's a crime." }, { "end_time": "22:49", "start_time": "22:47", "text": "Please go check it out." }, { "end_time": "22:51", "start_time": "22:49", "text": "But we'll come back to biohacking." }, { "end_time": "22:51", "start_time": "22:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:58", "start_time": "22:52", "text": "So biohacking, I feel like people know what crypto, web 3, metaverse, and we'll get there as well." }, { "end_time": "23:04", "start_time": "22:58", "text": "What people don't talk about as an upcoming modern day technology is all the advancements we're seeing in biohacking." }, { "end_time": "23:06", "start_time": "23:06", "text": "Two questions." }, { "end_time": "23:08", "start_time": "23:06", "text": "Firstly, what is biohacking?" }, { "end_time": "23:13", "start_time": "23:08", "text": "Secondly, other than Neuralink, what are some things that are coming up?" }, { "end_time": "23:16", "start_time": "23:14", "text": "And I'm talking about the next 5 to 10 years." }, { "end_time": "23:17", "start_time": "23:16", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "23:25", "start_time": "23:18", "text": "The most exciting things that are coming up is ways in which you can get feedback from your body." }, { "end_time": "23:27", "start_time": "23:26", "text": "So think about it." }, { "end_time": "23:29", "start_time": "23:27", "text": "Explain what biohacking is first." }, { "end_time": "23:29", "start_time": "23:29", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "23:33", "start_time": "23:31", "text": "There are 2 ways to look at biohacking." }, { "end_time": "23:39", "start_time": "23:33", "text": "One is some techniques that you use to improve your own efficiency of your body." }, { "end_time": "23:40", "start_time": "23:39", "text": "Of your body." }, { "end_time": "23:44", "start_time": "23:41", "text": "So what are some breathing exercises?" }, { "end_time": "23:46", "start_time": "23:44", "text": "What are some daily meditation exercises?" }, { "end_time": "23:48", "start_time": "23:46", "text": "What are some physical exercises that you can do?" }, { "end_time": "23:49", "start_time": "23:48", "text": "What are things that you can eat?" }, { "end_time": "23:53", "start_time": "23:49", "text": "What are things that you can what are ways in which you can sleep better?" }, { "end_time": "23:56", "start_time": "23:53", "text": "All of these are ways of biohacking your body." }, { "end_time": "23:59", "start_time": "23:57", "text": "The other way of biohacking is through technology." }, { "end_time": "24:04", "start_time": "24:00", "text": "So what kind of music are you listening to?" }, { "end_time": "24:06", "start_time": "24:04", "text": "Is there any evidence for binaural beats?" }, { "end_time": "24:15", "start_time": "24:06", "text": "Is there any evidence for the correct or a particular kind of lighting in your house, a particular kind of, shades of curtains in your house?" }, { "end_time": "24:19", "start_time": "24:15", "text": "All of these, what are the loops that they set up that affect your behavior?" }, { "end_time": "24:23", "start_time": "24:20", "text": "They're all different ways in which you can think of biohacking." }, { "end_time": "24:36", "start_time": "24:24", "text": "So sort of where you get an insight into how your personal unique brain is reacting to different real world scenarios or things you put inside your body inside your body." }, { "end_time": "24:39", "start_time": "24:36", "text": "Manipulating your neurobiological reactions." }, { "end_time": "24:40", "start_time": "24:39", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "24:43", "start_time": "24:40", "text": "Like, one example is that patch that people have started putting." }, { "end_time": "24:47", "start_time": "24:43", "text": "You know, those patches will give you feedback on your glucose levels." }, { "end_time": "24:51", "start_time": "24:47", "text": "That's one sort of biohacking because you're getting feedback on your glucose levels." }, { "end_time": "24:52", "start_time": "24:51", "text": "So the word for that would be biofeedback." }, { "end_time": "24:53", "start_time": "24:53", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "24:55", "start_time": "24:53", "text": "So there is a difference." }, { "end_time": "24:57", "start_time": "24:55", "text": "Biofeedback is incredibly useful." }, { "end_time": "25:00", "start_time": "24:58", "text": "We have biofeedback in built in us." }, { "end_time": "25:06", "start_time": "25:00", "text": "At any given point of time, your brain is aware of your body temperature, which is a biofeedback." }, { "end_time": "25:10", "start_time": "25:07", "text": "Your brain is aware of where your legs are, which is biofeedback." }, { "end_time": "25:12", "start_time": "25:11", "text": "How full your stomach is?" }, { "end_time": "25:13", "start_time": "25:12", "text": "How full your bladder is?" }, { "end_time": "25:15", "start_time": "25:14", "text": "Are you sexually turned on?" }, { "end_time": "25:17", "start_time": "25:15", "text": "Are you sexually turned off?" }, { "end_time": "25:18", "start_time": "25:17", "text": "Are you is your stomach paining?" }, { "end_time": "25:21", "start_time": "25:18", "text": "Is there any pain anywhere in your body?" }, { "end_time": "25:22", "start_time": "25:21", "text": "This is all biofeedback." }, { "end_time": "25:25", "start_time": "25:22", "text": "Your brain needs constant information about your body." }, { "end_time": "25:29", "start_time": "25:25", "text": "What we are doing through technology is adding another level of biofeedback." }, { "end_time": "25:33", "start_time": "25:30", "text": "So now we have a glucometer, for example." }, { "end_time": "25:37", "start_time": "25:34", "text": "Now my I am consciously aware, not just subconsciously." }, { "end_time": "25:41", "start_time": "25:38", "text": "My subconscious brain is already aware of my glucose levels." }, { "end_time": "25:45", "start_time": "25:41", "text": "But am I consciously aware of my glucose levels?" }, { "end_time": "25:46", "start_time": "25:45", "text": "That adds another level." }, { "end_time": "25:48", "start_time": "25:46", "text": "Am I consciously aware of my heartbeat?" }, { "end_time": "25:55", "start_time": "25:49", "text": "Through my Apple Watch, I'll be able to know that my oxygen level, my, my weight." }, { "end_time": "25:58", "start_time": "25:55", "text": "So all of these things are ways of getting biofeedback." }, { "end_time": "26:03", "start_time": "25:59", "text": "The more feedback you get, the more your conscious decision making can change." }, { "end_time": "26:05", "start_time": "26:03", "text": "As your daily life choices." }, { "end_time": "26:06", "start_time": "26:05", "text": "Correct." }, { "end_time": "26:06", "start_time": "26:06", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "26:15", "start_time": "26:06", "text": "So people who are doing 24 hour glucose monitoring have found that they can now see when their glucose levels go about 110, 120." }, { "end_time": "26:24", "start_time": "26:15", "text": "And then when they reach out for that cake, they will not eat it because now they don't want it to cross 125 because that is a target that they've set for themselves." }, { "end_time": "26:34", "start_time": "26:25", "text": "It can also have an opposite effect because I have had patients with diabetes whose sugars were not very well controlled." }, { "end_time": "26:35", "start_time": "26:34", "text": "200, 220." }, { "end_time": "26:37", "start_time": "26:36", "text": "They're doing their best." }, { "end_time": "26:37", "start_time": "26:37", "text": "They're dieting." }, { "end_time": "26:39", "start_time": "26:38", "text": "They're taking their medicines." }, { "end_time": "26:40", "start_time": "26:39", "text": "They're exercising." }, { "end_time": "26:43", "start_time": "26:40", "text": "But even then, initially, the sugar levels can still fluctuate." }, { "end_time": "26:51", "start_time": "26:44", "text": "Now, normally, what would happen is they would check their blood sugar after 15 days, which means their biofeedback would come every 15 days." }, { "end_time": "26:59", "start_time": "26:51", "text": "And they know that's point But with 24 hour glucose monitoring, every single rise is documented." }, { "end_time": "27:03", "start_time": "27:00", "text": "Now their full attention is on that app." }, { "end_time": "27:08", "start_time": "27:06", "text": "And that gives them anxiety." }, { "end_time": "27:11", "start_time": "27:08", "text": "So too much feedback is also a problem." }, { "end_time": "27:13", "start_time": "27:11", "text": "And this is a very interesting phenomenon that we have noticed." }, { "end_time": "27:14", "start_time": "27:13", "text": "Black mirror." }, { "end_time": "27:15", "start_time": "27:14", "text": "There we go." }, { "end_time": "27:17", "start_time": "27:16", "text": "Full circle." }, { "end_time": "27:18", "start_time": "27:17", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "27:18", "start_time": "27:18", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "27:19", "start_time": "27:19", "text": "What else?" }, { "end_time": "27:23", "start_time": "27:19", "text": "What are the cool shit is around the corner other than just feedback?" }, { "end_time": "27:27", "start_time": "27:24", "text": "I recently did a workshop on neuro marketing." }, { "end_time": "27:28", "start_time": "27:28", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "27:29", "start_time": "27:28", "text": "Which is what?" }, { "end_time": "27:32", "start_time": "27:29", "text": "So traditional marketing." }, { "end_time": "27:38", "start_time": "27:32", "text": "The purpose of traditional marketing is that if I'm selling something to you, I need to know what was your experience." }, { "end_time": "27:48", "start_time": "27:39", "text": "I need to know that next time when you go out, how likely you are to buy my product, how likely you are to recommend it to other people." }, { "end_time": "27:53", "start_time": "27:48", "text": "And if I sell something completely different, how likely it is that you might like that one." }, { "end_time": "27:54", "start_time": "27:53", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "27:57", "start_time": "27:54", "text": "The only way that I can know that is by asking you." }, { "end_time": "28:00", "start_time": "27:58", "text": "There's no other way I can know that." }, { "end_time": "28:11", "start_time": "28:00", "text": "So I will ask you, this is called traditional, taking a questionnaire, taking group forums, taking random phone calls, just, you know, asking people, hey, listen, we have come up with a new product." }, { "end_time": "28:12", "start_time": "28:11", "text": "What does your take on this?" }, { "end_time": "28:13", "start_time": "28:12", "text": "Do you like this?" }, { "end_time": "28:20", "start_time": "28:14", "text": "What neuromarketing does is a try to understand consumer behavior." }, { "end_time": "28:26", "start_time": "28:20", "text": "Why is it that they picked one thing about another and b predict consumer behavior?" }, { "end_time": "28:29", "start_time": "28:26", "text": "How likely is it that they will buy it through biofeedback?" }, { "end_time": "28:41", "start_time": "28:31", "text": "So all the things that our consumers body is telling them, if the company can know in some way, it gives them valuable information." }, { "end_time": "28:54", "start_time": "28:42", "text": "So, for example, if the next time you open your phone and you open Amazon, you're scrolling right in every page, there will be 3, 4, 5 products." }, { "end_time": "28:57", "start_time": "28:55", "text": "How many of them will you consciously register?" }, { "end_time": "28:59", "start_time": "28:58", "text": "1, maybe nothing." }, { "end_time": "29:01", "start_time": "28:59", "text": "You scroll past it." }, { "end_time": "29:04", "start_time": "29:01", "text": "Sometimes you may register something, but you didn't really pause there." }, { "end_time": "29:07", "start_time": "29:05", "text": "You might not even know that you've registered it." }, { "end_time": "29:19", "start_time": "29:08", "text": "But suppose if the camera is tracking your eye, the camera has noticed that you have paused on this point 2, 3 seconds more than other things." }, { "end_time": "29:21", "start_time": "29:19", "text": "Now why do you do that?" }, { "end_time": "29:23", "start_time": "29:22", "text": "There is a reason." }, { "end_time": "29:28", "start_time": "29:23", "text": "Your brain, for some reason, values that thing more." }, { "end_time": "29:28", "start_time": "29:28", "text": "Maybe you like it." }, { "end_time": "29:30", "start_time": "29:28", "text": "Maybe you hate it." }, { "end_time": "29:34", "start_time": "29:30", "text": "Either way, you can pause on that, but it is information about you." }, { "end_time": "29:38", "start_time": "29:34", "text": "Next time we will show you more of that product." }, { "end_time": "29:39", "start_time": "29:38", "text": "Let's see how it goes." }, { "end_time": "29:43", "start_time": "29:40", "text": "If you end up buying it, that means that you like that." }, { "end_time": "29:44", "start_time": "29:44", "text": "Show it more." }, { "end_time": "29:47", "start_time": "29:44", "text": "This could be a reason that Netflix thumbnails are different for everyone." }, { "end_time": "29:48", "start_time": "29:48", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "29:50", "start_time": "29:48", "text": "You you think they're using neuro marketing?" }, { "end_time": "29:56", "start_time": "29:50", "text": "Even of course they are, but the level of feedback isn't that advanced yet." }, { "end_time": "30:02", "start_time": "29:57", "text": "So most phones, still don't have eye tracking, at least as far as we know." }, { "end_time": "30:07", "start_time": "30:02", "text": "The only thing that they have is the speed of scrolling and where your fingers are going." }, { "end_time": "30:12", "start_time": "30:08", "text": "But the next big thing that is going to happen is eye tracking is going to become universal." }, { "end_time": "30:14", "start_time": "30:12", "text": "This is something that I believe in." }, { "end_time": "30:14", "start_time": "30:14", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "30:20", "start_time": "30:15", "text": "And probably just like how fingerprints became universal, face ID became universal." }, { "end_time": "30:26", "start_time": "30:21", "text": "It's going to be a technological advantage that is going to be pitched to us." }, { "end_time": "30:33", "start_time": "30:26", "text": "This is my prediction that imagine if they give you scrolling through eyes as a feature." }, { "end_time": "30:35", "start_time": "30:33", "text": "Now you don't even have to touch it." }, { "end_time": "30:40", "start_time": "30:36", "text": "That will look as you look down, the scroll goes up automatically." }, { "end_time": "30:42", "start_time": "30:40", "text": "You don't have to click on it." }, { "end_time": "30:46", "start_time": "30:42", "text": "Just blink on it or just keep your eyes paused on a particular point and it just selects itself." }, { "end_time": "30:51", "start_time": "30:47", "text": "What if the screen becomes that intuitive that you don't need your hands at all?" }, { "end_time": "30:56", "start_time": "30:52", "text": "So you will give permission to the phone to track your eyes." }, { "end_time": "31:01", "start_time": "30:57", "text": "Everything that you're saying about technology, I'm trying to see the engineering side of it." }, { "end_time": "31:08", "start_time": "31:01", "text": "This is actually we've done so many conversations, but this is the first time a biotech conversation is happening, and that's what I'm really enjoying." }, { "end_time": "31:09", "start_time": "31:08", "text": "This is a very unique one." }, { "end_time": "31:10", "start_time": "31:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:14", "start_time": "31:11", "text": "What I will say is mathematics is the language of the universe." }, { "end_time": "31:16", "start_time": "31:14", "text": "Everything we see around us is mathematics." }, { "end_time": "31:18", "start_time": "31:16", "text": "There's numbers all around us." }, { "end_time": "31:20", "start_time": "31:18", "text": "There's numbers even in deep biology in what you do." }, { "end_time": "31:21", "start_time": "31:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:24", "start_time": "31:21", "text": "Because biology in its core is chemistry, which is physics, which is mathematics." }, { "end_time": "31:25", "start_time": "31:24", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "31:34", "start_time": "31:25", "text": "So, keeping that in mind and also from some of the books I've read about futurism, etcetera, etcetera, there's a concept of big data." }, { "end_time": "31:42", "start_time": "31:34", "text": "And everything that you said based on Neuralink plus, neuromarketing plus what was the other one we spoke about?" }, { "end_time": "31:43", "start_time": "31:42", "text": "The eye tracker, synchronous." }, { "end_time": "31:44", "start_time": "31:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:45", "start_time": "31:44", "text": "You you name it biofeedback." }, { "end_time": "31:46", "start_time": "31:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:46", "start_time": "31:46", "text": "It's all database." }, { "end_time": "31:47", "start_time": "31:47", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "31:47", "start_time": "31:47", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "31:48", "start_time": "31:47", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:53", "start_time": "31:48", "text": "And that's the key word here that can you get biological data of a human being?" }, { "end_time": "31:59", "start_time": "31:53", "text": "And even when you say moving your eye down, is by how many centimeters as the person now, like, can you quantify it?" }, { "end_time": "32:00", "start_time": "31:59", "text": "Cameras will get that advanced." }, { "end_time": "32:06", "start_time": "32:00", "text": "I'll be able to quantify in using trigonometry, like, you know, what, you're staring at at the screen." }, { "end_time": "32:07", "start_time": "32:06", "text": "This is where trigonometry is used in life." }, { "end_time": "32:09", "start_time": "32:07", "text": "Anyway, kidding." }, { "end_time": "32:13", "start_time": "32:09", "text": "But coming back to the point, it's all data based." }, { "end_time": "32:20", "start_time": "32:13", "text": "The more data you're able to get about the analog world or the biological world, the better your, biotech becomes." }, { "end_time": "32:26", "start_time": "32:20", "text": "Keeping that in mind, people keep talking about big data as a massive part of biotech going forward." }, { "end_time": "32:26", "start_time": "32:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:29", "start_time": "32:26", "text": "And what big data basically means is big data." }, { "end_time": "32:35", "start_time": "32:29", "text": "The huge infinitely huge, number of data points." }, { "end_time": "32:45", "start_time": "32:35", "text": "So in kind of tangible way to understand that is, hypothetical scenario, 50 hours in the future, we have something like nanobots." }, { "end_time": "32:46", "start_time": "32:46", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "32:51", "start_time": "32:46", "text": "Which are very tiny microscopic robots that you inject into your skin." }, { "end_time": "33:00", "start_time": "32:51", "text": "Now they will be able to get data about your body, how much zinc is present in your bloodstream, how much iron is there, how much vitamin a do you have." }, { "end_time": "33:03", "start_time": "33:00", "text": "They can even tell when the first cancer cell will be created." }, { "end_time": "33:08", "start_time": "33:03", "text": "And before that cancer blows up into something, they'll actually be able to go then shoot that cancer cell down." }, { "end_time": "33:08", "start_time": "33:08", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:12", "start_time": "33:08", "text": "Now this is the power of the future of big data." }, { "end_time": "33:14", "start_time": "33:12", "text": "Keeping that mind, do you have anything to add with big data?" }, { "end_time": "33:21", "start_time": "33:15", "text": "I love what you said about number of data points because, that is exactly how marketing has evolved." }, { "end_time": "33:32", "start_time": "33:22", "text": "When 50 years ago, when you look at a particular population, you would say that there are, say, for example, 1,000 men, 900 women of this much age group." }, { "end_time": "33:35", "start_time": "33:32", "text": "And roughly these many people watch cricket." }, { "end_time": "33:36", "start_time": "33:35", "text": "These many people watch football." }, { "end_time": "33:38", "start_time": "33:36", "text": "That's like that's what you know." }, { "end_time": "33:46", "start_time": "33:38", "text": "Now based on this, you have to decide if you have a soap brand, how do you sell it to and who do you sell it to?" }, { "end_time": "34:11", "start_time": "33:47", "text": "So this is all the data you have as opposed to that today, you could technically say that in this particular building, there are these many people who have paused at a or who have bought soaps that are very similar to your competition or very similar to your brand in the last one month." }, { "end_time": "34:14", "start_time": "34:11", "text": "Now that is data that they have today." }, { "end_time": "34:24", "start_time": "34:15", "text": "In 10 years, they could have data about each individual person and the percentage likelihood of them buying your product." }, { "end_time": "34:31", "start_time": "34:26", "text": "So as the number of data points keep increasing, the predictability of a human being keeps increasing." }, { "end_time": "34:37", "start_time": "34:32", "text": "I remember we spoke about seeing the future, and this is exactly what it is." }, { "end_time": "34:43", "start_time": "34:37", "text": "The more data points you have and the more your processing power is, the more you can see the future." }, { "end_time": "34:44", "start_time": "34:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:51", "start_time": "34:45", "text": "Collect data from the past, apply it in the present, predict the likely future." }, { "end_time": "34:54", "start_time": "34:53", "text": "I want to know about Nanobots, actually." }, { "end_time": "34:58", "start_time": "34:55", "text": "Is that, going to happen according to you?" }, { "end_time": "35:01", "start_time": "34:58", "text": "Because they say that computers are constantly getting smaller." }, { "end_time": "35:01", "start_time": "35:01", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:03", "start_time": "35:01", "text": "Effectively, nanobots are very, very tiny computer." }, { "end_time": "35:08", "start_time": "35:04", "text": "I think technologically, it is inevitable." }, { "end_time": "35:20", "start_time": "35:09", "text": "Whether it gets used practically depends on multiple variables, depends on the ethical concerns, depends on the the fear concerns." }, { "end_time": "35:25", "start_time": "35:20", "text": "You know, people might have trouble accepting, injecting." }, { "end_time": "35:26", "start_time": "35:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:26", "start_time": "35:26", "text": "Correct." }, { "end_time": "35:43", "start_time": "35:26", "text": "So there needs to be, like, a social shift in how we perceive robots, in how we perceive these kind of gadgets because I believe in Google Glass had come out with their glasses, people felt a little strange to put a computer so close to their face." }, { "end_time": "35:48", "start_time": "35:43", "text": "But then they became comfortable with Apple Watch having something on their wrist all the time, which is a mobile computing device." }, { "end_time": "35:53", "start_time": "35:48", "text": "So would you be comfortable having a computer injected into your blood today?" }, { "end_time": "35:55", "start_time": "35:54", "text": "Probably not." }, { "end_time": "35:59", "start_time": "35:55", "text": "But if there's a social shift, then probably yes." }, { "end_time": "36:02", "start_time": "35:59", "text": "So before that happens, I believe a lot of other things have to happen." }, { "end_time": "36:12", "start_time": "36:02", "text": "For example, computerized lenses is what is more likely to happen first, where everything you see will literally be through the lens of a computer." }, { "end_time": "36:15", "start_time": "36:12", "text": "So there's augmented reality on top of everything." }, { "end_time": "36:24", "start_time": "36:15", "text": "So when I see you, if I want to, I can just and if you're a Facebook friend of mine, then I can see your name, your age, your gender, all of that stuff on the side." }, { "end_time": "36:29", "start_time": "36:24", "text": "I can have information about you, and I can add you as a friend right there from my eyes." }, { "end_time": "36:34", "start_time": "36:30", "text": "So these are things that I think would happen before nanowatts in your blood." }, { "end_time": "36:34", "start_time": "36:34", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "36:35", "start_time": "36:34", "text": "Fair." }, { "end_time": "36:40", "start_time": "36:35", "text": "Let's talk about something that's going on right now while we're talking about, biotech." }, { "end_time": "36:44", "start_time": "36:41", "text": "Would you call stem cells as biotech and what are stem cells?" }, { "end_time": "36:47", "start_time": "36:44", "text": "Stem cells are bio." }, { "end_time": "36:49", "start_time": "36:47", "text": "They are not they're more bio than tech." }, { "end_time": "36:55", "start_time": "36:49", "text": "So stem cells are cells in your body that have not differentiated into a particular organ." }, { "end_time": "36:56", "start_time": "36:55", "text": "As in they can become anything." }, { "end_time": "36:57", "start_time": "36:56", "text": "They can become anything." }, { "end_time": "36:58", "start_time": "36:58", "text": "So okay." }, { "end_time": "36:59", "start_time": "36:58", "text": "Hold on." }, { "end_time": "37:02", "start_time": "36:59", "text": "To explain this better, your brain has a particular kind of cell." }, { "end_time": "37:03", "start_time": "37:02", "text": "Your eye has a particular kind of cell." }, { "end_time": "37:05", "start_time": "37:03", "text": "Your lips have a particular kind of cell." }, { "end_time": "37:06", "start_time": "37:05", "text": "Your bones have a particular kind of cell." }, { "end_time": "37:17", "start_time": "37:06", "text": "Think about it all the way back when you when you start off as a sperm and an egg, and they come together and they form a zygote, and that zygote will go and implant into a uterus." }, { "end_time": "37:21", "start_time": "37:17", "text": "Now that zygote will eventually become a full human baby." }, { "end_time": "37:28", "start_time": "37:22", "text": "So, essentially, everything about you has come from that cell." }, { "end_time": "37:35", "start_time": "37:28", "text": "So that cell is capable of differentiating into a heart, into a lung, into a brain, into a kidney, whatever." }, { "end_time": "37:44", "start_time": "37:36", "text": "So at different stages in that journey from a cell to a baby, there are different types of cells that you can pick up." }, { "end_time": "37:49", "start_time": "37:44", "text": "And some of those cells remain like that even in an adult form." }, { "end_time": "37:50", "start_time": "37:50", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "37:56", "start_time": "37:51", "text": "So deep inside your bones, you have cells that can become any of your blood cells." }, { "end_time": "37:57", "start_time": "37:56", "text": "It could become a white blood cell." }, { "end_time": "37:59", "start_time": "37:57", "text": "It could become a red blood cell." }, { "end_time": "38:06", "start_time": "37:59", "text": "Similarly, in your brain, there are areas which can become a neuron, but it hasn't become a neuron yet." }, { "end_time": "38:06", "start_time": "38:06", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "38:06", "start_time": "38:06", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "38:07", "start_time": "38:06", "text": "Shit." }, { "end_time": "38:07", "start_time": "38:07", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "38:11", "start_time": "38:07", "text": "So there are stem cells that are still there in your body, which you can pick up." }, { "end_time": "38:15", "start_time": "38:12", "text": "And so this is great for, you know, different types of treatments." }, { "end_time": "38:18", "start_time": "38:15", "text": "I didn't know that these cells are present in adult bodies as well." }, { "end_time": "38:23", "start_time": "38:18", "text": "I I was under the assumption for some reason that it's something to do with umbilical cords of babies." }, { "end_time": "38:28", "start_time": "38:23", "text": "That is one way to do it, but there are stem cells present in adult humans also." }, { "end_time": "38:30", "start_time": "38:28", "text": "Does it mean that umbilical cords contain a lot of stem cells?" }, { "end_time": "38:31", "start_time": "38:30", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "38:32", "start_time": "38:31", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "38:39", "start_time": "38:32", "text": "Now when we're saying that stem cell research is happening all over the world, are they trying to make stem cells in labs?" }, { "end_time": "38:40", "start_time": "38:39", "text": "Is that the logic?" }, { "end_time": "38:42", "start_time": "38:40", "text": "They are also trying to do that." }, { "end_time": "38:54", "start_time": "38:42", "text": "They are also trying to see if they can grow organs from other animals in vitro that is in a lab and then try to transplant that into a human being." }, { "end_time": "38:56", "start_time": "38:54", "text": "So these are all different kinds of research." }, { "end_time": "39:05", "start_time": "38:57", "text": "Stem cell therapy is so promising because it can it opens the door to creating organs from scratch, quite literally." }, { "end_time": "39:10", "start_time": "39:06", "text": "So if you can do that, the the possibility of help is huge." }, { "end_time": "39:22", "start_time": "39:11", "text": "And even in cancer treatment, there is a lot of potential for stem cell because in a way, cancer cells divide like stem cells because they divide and they grow and they grow and they grow." }, { "end_time": "39:28", "start_time": "39:22", "text": "So when you understand stem cells a lot, you actually have insight into cancer as well." }, { "end_time": "39:34", "start_time": "39:28", "text": "Then they just come up with some drug that is being very promising in cancer treatment." }, { "end_time": "39:36", "start_time": "39:34", "text": "So but it was a very small group, though." }, { "end_time": "39:37", "start_time": "39:36", "text": "It was just 12 people." }, { "end_time": "39:38", "start_time": "39:37", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "39:48", "start_time": "39:38", "text": "So, then there was a warning in the study as well that, you know, before until they do a much bigger study, you can't you can't be too celebratory, but definitely a huge news." }, { "end_time": "39:53", "start_time": "39:48", "text": "Again, I'm asking the doctor and you, are there other angles like this whole stem cell research angle which interest you a lot?" }, { "end_time": "40:03", "start_time": "39:54", "text": "So neurogenesis is a very interesting one because earlier we used to believe that a baby once born, brain cells don't grow." }, { "end_time": "40:05", "start_time": "40:04", "text": "I don't know if you've heard of this thing." }, { "end_time": "40:06", "start_time": "40:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "40:10", "start_time": "40:06", "text": "We we are born with all the neurons that we will ever have, and if the neuron dies, it dies." }, { "end_time": "40:12", "start_time": "40:11", "text": "But that's not true." }, { "end_time": "40:20", "start_time": "40:12", "text": "Now we know that there are areas in the brain, especially in the around the nose and in deep in the hippocampus." }, { "end_time": "40:27", "start_time": "40:21", "text": "There are areas where new brain cells can grow, and there are certain things that we can do to make them grow even more." }, { "end_time": "40:32", "start_time": "40:27", "text": "Exercise being one of them, interestingly, where you can actually create new neurons." }, { "end_time": "40:35", "start_time": "40:32", "text": "So that is a very interesting field of research." }, { "end_time": "40:37", "start_time": "40:35", "text": "So exercise technically makes you smarter." }, { "end_time": "40:37", "start_time": "40:37", "text": "It does." }, { "end_time": "40:38", "start_time": "40:38", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "40:39", "start_time": "40:39", "text": "Quite literally." }, { "end_time": "40:40", "start_time": "40:39", "text": "Possibly even meditation." }, { "end_time": "40:42", "start_time": "40:41", "text": "Quite literally, it does." }, { "end_time": "40:42", "start_time": "40:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "40:43", "start_time": "40:43", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "40:44", "start_time": "40:43", "text": "Fair." }, { "end_time": "40:48", "start_time": "40:44", "text": "And and there's more research being done about these dormant neurons." }, { "end_time": "40:49", "start_time": "40:48", "text": "That's what Yes." }, { "end_time": "40:51", "start_time": "40:49", "text": "How do you even do research about it?" }, { "end_time": "40:54", "start_time": "40:51", "text": "You take, like, dead people's brains or something?" }, { "end_time": "40:55", "start_time": "40:54", "text": "These are all animal studies." }, { "end_time": "41:01", "start_time": "40:56", "text": "Most of what we know about human brains comes from animal and monkey studies." }, { "end_time": "41:01", "start_time": "41:01", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "41:02", "start_time": "41:01", "text": "Ironically." }, { "end_time": "41:12", "start_time": "41:03", "text": "So I I remember talking to a researcher about this, that it is possible that, the human brain is completely different." }, { "end_time": "41:14", "start_time": "41:13", "text": "Than an animal." }, { "end_time": "41:14", "start_time": "41:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "41:24", "start_time": "41:14", "text": "I mean, from all the things that we say, it is very possible that the human brain is different because most of what we know about the human brain comes from animal studies." }, { "end_time": "41:29", "start_time": "41:24", "text": "And we are assuming that it gets carried forward into human beings as well." }, { "end_time": "41:31", "start_time": "41:29", "text": "What it take to do studies on human brains?" }, { "end_time": "41:32", "start_time": "41:31", "text": "That's the biggest challenge." }, { "end_time": "41:33", "start_time": "41:32", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "41:38", "start_time": "41:33", "text": "So now until very, very recently, we didn't have imaging techniques." }, { "end_time": "41:40", "start_time": "41:38", "text": "How do I know what's in your head?" }, { "end_time": "41:45", "start_time": "41:40", "text": "The only way was to cut open your brain and take it out and study, which is not fair for you." }, { "end_time": "41:53", "start_time": "41:46", "text": "But now we have things like MRI, and that does the strength of the MRI is getting better and better." }, { "end_time": "41:58", "start_time": "41:53", "text": "So now with an MRI machine, I can see very, very clear parts of your brain." }, { "end_time": "42:01", "start_time": "41:58", "text": "There is a 1 Tesla MRI, the 3 Tesla MRI." }, { "end_time": "42:02", "start_time": "42:01", "text": "So that's the strength of the MRI." }, { "end_time": "42:05", "start_time": "42:03", "text": "Now they've come up with 7 Tesla MRI." }, { "end_time": "42:11", "start_time": "42:05", "text": "It is so powerful that you can almost see the cells each individual neuron." }, { "end_time": "42:14", "start_time": "42:11", "text": "So they are coming up with something called radio pathology." }, { "end_time": "42:20", "start_time": "42:15", "text": "So pathology is when you cut open a tissue, take it out, put it under a microscope, and look at the cells." }, { "end_time": "42:24", "start_time": "42:21", "text": "The only way to look at the cells was to do that." }, { "end_time": "42:32", "start_time": "42:24", "text": "But imagine if a camera or an MRI is so powerful that you don't need to cut it open." }, { "end_time": "42:37", "start_time": "42:32", "text": "Just through that MRI machine, you can look at a brain and look at the cells of the brain." }, { "end_time": "42:40", "start_time": "42:38", "text": "Now suddenly the whole brain appears different." }, { "end_time": "42:45", "start_time": "42:40", "text": "So I've seen images of a 7 Tesla MRI, and it looks nothing like a 3 Tesla MRI." }, { "end_time": "42:50", "start_time": "42:46", "text": "So our our relationship with the brain is going to change as technology changes." }, { "end_time": "42:57", "start_time": "42:52", "text": "And therefore, with the speed of technology changing, maybe a speed of learning about the brain also." }, { "end_time": "42:58", "start_time": "42:57", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "42:59", "start_time": "42:58", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "43:03", "start_time": "42:59", "text": "There is something called MR spectroscopy and MR tractography." }, { "end_time": "43:05", "start_time": "43:03", "text": "Now these are 2 new techniques." }, { "end_time": "43:08", "start_time": "43:05", "text": "You can see the fibers of the brain." }, { "end_time": "43:11", "start_time": "43:08", "text": "And if you haven't seen it, guys, you should check it out." }, { "end_time": "43:12", "start_time": "43:11", "text": "Just Google MR tractography." }, { "end_time": "43:18", "start_time": "43:13", "text": "It is one of the most beautiful images that you can see all the fibers of the brain in different colors." }, { "end_time": "43:20", "start_time": "43:18", "text": "Your brain looks so gorgeous." }, { "end_time": "43:23", "start_time": "43:21", "text": "That's actually my desktop wallpaper." }, { "end_time": "43:28", "start_time": "43:23", "text": "You were just talking about how engineers and doctors don't talk to each other enough." }, { "end_time": "43:28", "start_time": "43:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "43:30", "start_time": "43:29", "text": "But that's changing." }, { "end_time": "43:34", "start_time": "43:32", "text": "Biotech is a great example of it." }, { "end_time": "43:35", "start_time": "43:34", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "43:41", "start_time": "43:35", "text": "We gotta move on to talking about spoke about stem cells." }, { "end_time": "43:44", "start_time": "43:41", "text": "We spoke about, what did we just figure out?" }, { "end_time": "43:45", "start_time": "43:44", "text": "We spoke about biofeedback." }, { "end_time": "43:47", "start_time": "43:45", "text": "We spoke about neurogenesis." }, { "end_time": "43:51", "start_time": "43:49", "text": "3 d printing organs." }, { "end_time": "43:51", "start_time": "43:51", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "43:52", "start_time": "43:51", "text": "That's another one Yeah." }, { "end_time": "43:53", "start_time": "43:53", "text": "That's coming up." }, { "end_time": "43:56", "start_time": "43:53", "text": "Like, 3 d printing is getting better and better constantly." }, { "end_time": "43:57", "start_time": "43:56", "text": "Jose Coaco." }, { "end_time": "43:58", "start_time": "43:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "44:01", "start_time": "43:58", "text": "Joes, he gifted me that Groot which is lying behind us." }, { "end_time": "44:02", "start_time": "44:01", "text": "Is that 3 d printed?" }, { "end_time": "44:03", "start_time": "44:02", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "44:03", "start_time": "44:03", "text": "Oh." }, { "end_time": "44:07", "start_time": "44:04", "text": "So that's just the beginning of 3 d printing, bro." }, { "end_time": "44:13", "start_time": "44:07", "text": "I recently read an article of somebody, 3 d printing a human ear." }, { "end_time": "44:17", "start_time": "44:15", "text": "And it's an actual human ear." }, { "end_time": "44:19", "start_time": "44:17", "text": "You when you say human ear, you mean with the eardrum?" }, { "end_time": "44:20", "start_time": "44:20", "text": "With everything?" }, { "end_time": "44:21", "start_time": "44:20", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "44:21", "start_time": "44:21", "text": "The external ear." }, { "end_time": "44:22", "start_time": "44:21", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "44:23", "start_time": "44:22", "text": "So just this part." }, { "end_time": "44:23", "start_time": "44:23", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "44:30", "start_time": "44:23", "text": "But it has actual cartilage in it, which means that after that, if it gets injured, if I get a small cut, it will heal." }, { "end_time": "44:32", "start_time": "44:31", "text": "Oh." }, { "end_time": "44:33", "start_time": "44:32", "text": "So we are there." }, { "end_time": "44:35", "start_time": "44:33", "text": "What's the raw material for that?" }, { "end_time": "44:37", "start_time": "44:36", "text": "Too complicated." }, { "end_time": "44:40", "start_time": "44:37", "text": "Like, a lot of biocellulose and yeah." }, { "end_time": "44:42", "start_time": "44:40", "text": "With some stem cell masala?" }, { "end_time": "44:43", "start_time": "44:43", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "44:45", "start_time": "44:44", "text": "Pinch of stem cells." }, { "end_time": "44:47", "start_time": "44:46", "text": "You have to do this." }, { "end_time": "44:48", "start_time": "44:47", "text": "Oh, fuck." }, { "end_time": "44:51", "start_time": "44:48", "text": "You come up with, like, organ raw material, dude." }, { "end_time": "44:52", "start_time": "44:51", "text": "But that's that's where we are." }, { "end_time": "44:58", "start_time": "44:52", "text": "We are I think we are 5, 6 years away from 3 d printing a liver or a heart." }, { "end_time": "45:04", "start_time": "44:58", "text": "It's also hope for, the world's non vegetarians because Yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:05", "start_time": "45:04", "text": "Can you believe that's not meat?" }, { "end_time": "45:06", "start_time": "45:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:09", "start_time": "45:06", "text": "3 d print nice chicken patties?" }, { "end_time": "45:09", "start_time": "45:09", "text": "Correct." }, { "end_time": "45:11", "start_time": "45:10", "text": "Without killing chicken?" }, { "end_time": "45:11", "start_time": "45:11", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "45:14", "start_time": "45:12", "text": "Vegans will be very conflicted." }, { "end_time": "45:16", "start_time": "45:15", "text": "I don't think I think they'll be happy." }, { "end_time": "45:17", "start_time": "45:16", "text": "They'll be happy." }, { "end_time": "45:17", "start_time": "45:17", "text": "Yeah, dude." }, { "end_time": "45:20", "start_time": "45:17", "text": "Like, even since I've gone vegetarian, the one there's 2 downsides to going vegetarian." }, { "end_time": "45:27", "start_time": "45:20", "text": "One's lost in, like, muscle and size, and I no matter how many vegetarians bat for the fact that, you know, all those strength is the same, it's not." }, { "end_time": "45:27", "start_time": "45:27", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "45:29", "start_time": "45:27", "text": "Their explosive strength is less." }, { "end_time": "45:32", "start_time": "45:29", "text": "And the second one is lack of options in food." }, { "end_time": "45:37", "start_time": "45:33", "text": "Like, and and there'll be some happy vegetarians out there who'll say, no." }, { "end_time": "45:38", "start_time": "45:37", "text": "You need to try food with me." }, { "end_time": "45:39", "start_time": "45:38", "text": "There's no lack." }, { "end_time": "45:40", "start_time": "45:39", "text": "But there is a lack." }, { "end_time": "45:41", "start_time": "45:40", "text": "They have done that." }, { "end_time": "45:41", "start_time": "45:41", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "45:48", "start_time": "45:41", "text": "Like, they have, they have those beef that is not beef, which apparently tastes exactly the same." }, { "end_time": "45:50", "start_time": "45:48", "text": "I had that at in Dubai right now." }, { "end_time": "45:51", "start_time": "45:50", "text": "It's called Impossible Burger." }, { "end_time": "45:52", "start_time": "45:51", "text": "Impossible Burger." }, { "end_time": "45:53", "start_time": "45:52", "text": "Correct." }, { "end_time": "45:55", "start_time": "45:53", "text": "I swear to god it tastes just like red meat." }, { "end_time": "45:56", "start_time": "45:55", "text": "Crazy." }, { "end_time": "45:57", "start_time": "45:56", "text": "You can't tell the difference." }, { "end_time": "45:58", "start_time": "45:57", "text": "Crazy." }, { "end_time": "46:03", "start_time": "45:58", "text": "But the case against that from non vegetarians or the meat lobby Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "46:09", "start_time": "46:03", "text": "Like the animal husbandry lobby all over the world is that, you don't know what they're putting inside, which is also true." }, { "end_time": "46:14", "start_time": "46:09", "text": "Because I believe in the ingredients, they write some code word and they write just like comma stabilizer." }, { "end_time": "46:16", "start_time": "46:14", "text": "That stabilizer would contain a bunch of Whatever it is." }, { "end_time": "46:16", "start_time": "46:16", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:18", "start_time": "46:16", "text": "So no one really knows what's inside them." }, { "end_time": "46:23", "start_time": "46:18", "text": "And these beyond meat and impossible meat people have not come out and said that, listen, we have these things." }, { "end_time": "46:24", "start_time": "46:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:30", "start_time": "46:24", "text": "I also believe they will they successfully made stem cell, generated meat." }, { "end_time": "46:33", "start_time": "46:30", "text": "Like, they made prawns or something, but it's very expensive." }, { "end_time": "46:33", "start_time": "46:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:36", "start_time": "46:34", "text": "Like, it was very expensive to produce and all that." }, { "end_time": "46:39", "start_time": "46:36", "text": "But there is hope for non vegetarians who don't wanna kill for food." }, { "end_time": "46:42", "start_time": "46:39", "text": "So technology is a rate limiting factor." }, { "end_time": "46:44", "start_time": "46:42", "text": "The possibilities are rate limiting factor." }, { "end_time": "46:46", "start_time": "46:44", "text": "Price is going to come down of everything." }, { "end_time": "46:50", "start_time": "46:47", "text": "It is that first initial leap that is the most difficult." }, { "end_time": "46:58", "start_time": "46:50", "text": "Once you know that it is possible and the market realizes that there is a market for it, price is going to come down." }, { "end_time": "47:02", "start_time": "46:58", "text": "So 3 d printing definitely the next best the next big thing." }, { "end_time": "47:06", "start_time": "47:02", "text": "Somebody 3 d printed a bridge, I think, in China." }, { "end_time": "47:09", "start_time": "47:06", "text": "They built an entire bridge out of 3 d printed materials." }, { "end_time": "47:16", "start_time": "47:10", "text": "So See, this is another technology that doesn't get spoken about in this hype of metaverse and NFTs and all." }, { "end_time": "47:23", "start_time": "47:16", "text": "That's the kind of technology that's popping in the world right now because it's neo social media and it's neo fintech." }, { "end_time": "47:26", "start_time": "47:23", "text": "The industries are already very central to our lives." }, { "end_time": "47:26", "start_time": "47:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:27", "start_time": "47:26", "text": "You have anything to say about metaverse?" }, { "end_time": "47:29", "start_time": "47:28", "text": "A lot, actually." }, { "end_time": "47:34", "start_time": "47:29", "text": "But let's let's do one more, one more minute on 3 d printing." }, { "end_time": "47:34", "start_time": "47:34", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "47:38", "start_time": "47:34", "text": "We are 3 d printing is a way of decentralizing production." }, { "end_time": "47:42", "start_time": "47:40", "text": "Too complex a thought." }, { "end_time": "47:43", "start_time": "47:42", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "47:47", "start_time": "47:43", "text": "The way I think about it is usually what happens is a company." }, { "end_time": "47:54", "start_time": "47:48", "text": "The company will produce, produce a shoe, produce a phone, produce whatever it is." }, { "end_time": "47:56", "start_time": "47:54", "text": "There is a distribution chain logistics." }, { "end_time": "47:58", "start_time": "47:57", "text": "There's a truck." }, { "end_time": "47:59", "start_time": "47:58", "text": "There's a delivery guy." }, { "end_time": "48:00", "start_time": "47:59", "text": "It'll come to your place." }, { "end_time": "48:00", "start_time": "48:00", "text": "Gotcha." }, { "end_time": "48:02", "start_time": "48:01", "text": "3 d printer at home." }, { "end_time": "48:14", "start_time": "48:03", "text": "In every home, all you have to do is to download the software and you 3 d print whatever it is that you want is a crazy future to think about." }, { "end_time": "48:14", "start_time": "48:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:16", "start_time": "48:14", "text": "So there's no there's no big industry." }, { "end_time": "48:18", "start_time": "48:16", "text": "There's no big factory anywhere." }, { "end_time": "48:25", "start_time": "48:23", "text": "Your experience of online shopping will change." }, { "end_time": "48:26", "start_time": "48:25", "text": "You select it." }, { "end_time": "48:27", "start_time": "48:26", "text": "It could be in your hand in a minute." }, { "end_time": "48:28", "start_time": "48:27", "text": "Right there." }, { "end_time": "48:31", "start_time": "48:29", "text": "My question always is what is the raw material here?" }, { "end_time": "48:32", "start_time": "48:32", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "48:33", "start_time": "48:32", "text": "Is it some kind of plastics?" }, { "end_time": "48:34", "start_time": "48:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:36", "start_time": "48:34", "text": "If yes, how does it affect the environment, etcetera?" }, { "end_time": "48:37", "start_time": "48:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:38", "start_time": "48:37", "text": "But I don't know." }, { "end_time": "48:38", "start_time": "48:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:41", "start_time": "48:38", "text": "Again, let me talk about 3 d printing years." }, { "end_time": "48:46", "start_time": "48:41", "text": "So will you pull out a baby's umbilical cord and, like, throw it into the 3 d printer?" }, { "end_time": "48:46", "start_time": "48:46", "text": "Definitely not." }, { "end_time": "48:49", "start_time": "48:49", "text": "Metaverse." }, { "end_time": "48:50", "start_time": "48:49", "text": "Metaverse." }, { "end_time": "48:50", "start_time": "48:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:50", "start_time": "48:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:51", "start_time": "48:50", "text": "Let's go." }, { "end_time": "48:51", "start_time": "48:51", "text": "Let's go." }, { "end_time": "48:54", "start_time": "48:52", "text": "Virtual reality, where everything is okay." }, { "end_time": "48:59", "start_time": "48:54", "text": "How do you look at this as a doctor other than the whole eyes will get strained and because I have used a virtual reality device." }, { "end_time": "49:00", "start_time": "49:00", "text": "It's good." }, { "end_time": "49:02", "start_time": "49:00", "text": "I won't say it's, oh, bro." }, { "end_time": "49:04", "start_time": "49:02", "text": "It's not like that level yet." }, { "end_time": "49:04", "start_time": "49:04", "text": "It's good." }, { "end_time": "49:11", "start_time": "49:04", "text": "I mean, yeah, I found it a little hard on the hard on the head, after use it for an hour, especially if it's an intense game." }, { "end_time": "49:12", "start_time": "49:11", "text": "You mean it causes headaches?" }, { "end_time": "49:13", "start_time": "49:12", "text": "Great." }, { "end_time": "49:22", "start_time": "49:13", "text": "It's not quite literally you feel stuffed and you feel a little claustrophobic after some time, especially if you want noise cancelling headphones." }, { "end_time": "49:26", "start_time": "49:23", "text": "You do get lost, and then you just wanna get out." }, { "end_time": "49:27", "start_time": "49:26", "text": "And plus you're sweating inside." }, { "end_time": "49:28", "start_time": "49:27", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "49:31", "start_time": "49:28", "text": "You know, if you're playing a shooter game, holy shit." }, { "end_time": "49:34", "start_time": "49:31", "text": "You know, just looking all around, you're you're physically moving." }, { "end_time": "49:38", "start_time": "49:35", "text": "They're jumping up and down, and you're trying to shoot shoot." }, { "end_time": "49:42", "start_time": "49:38", "text": "People can't take it for more than 40 minutes, 45 minutes." }, { "end_time": "49:45", "start_time": "49:42", "text": "So definitely the hardware part has to improve." }, { "end_time": "49:53", "start_time": "49:45", "text": "It has to become a lot more comfortable, But conceptually inevitable, I feel that we will move on to virtual reality." }, { "end_time": "49:55", "start_time": "49:54", "text": "We may not move on to it exclusively." }, { "end_time": "49:58", "start_time": "49:55", "text": "It's not like reality will stop and everything will go virtual." }, { "end_time": "50:03", "start_time": "49:59", "text": "Augmented reality has a much more chance of becoming mainstream than virtual reality." }, { "end_time": "50:15", "start_time": "50:04", "text": "But there are some things that virtual reality can do, which is very, very cool, like having virtual meetings or, you know, having virtual games is going to be a huge thing." }, { "end_time": "50:16", "start_time": "50:15", "text": "Like you could have." }, { "end_time": "50:20", "start_time": "50:16", "text": "We already have online FIFA tournaments." }, { "end_time": "50:24", "start_time": "50:21", "text": "Imagine having online FIFA virtual reality tournaments." }, { "end_time": "50:29", "start_time": "50:24", "text": "Would you be able to tell the difference between that and going to Old Trafford live and seeing a football match?" }, { "end_time": "50:32", "start_time": "50:30", "text": "That is the level that we are thinking about." }, { "end_time": "50:34", "start_time": "50:32", "text": "So definitely exciting." }, { "end_time": "50:37", "start_time": "50:34", "text": "Very, very, I'm looking forward to that." }, { "end_time": "50:41", "start_time": "50:37", "text": "There's 2 last, things I want to address on this show." }, { "end_time": "50:43", "start_time": "50:41", "text": "The first is the genome project." }, { "end_time": "50:45", "start_time": "50:44", "text": "What was it?" }, { "end_time": "50:46", "start_time": "50:45", "text": "What significance does it hold?" }, { "end_time": "50:48", "start_time": "50:47", "text": "The second one, we'll get to later." }, { "end_time": "50:49", "start_time": "50:48", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "50:53", "start_time": "50:49", "text": "But the second one is very black, and that's the highlight part for me." }, { "end_time": "50:53", "start_time": "50:53", "text": "Alright." }, { "end_time": "50:56", "start_time": "50:53", "text": "But let's talk about this gene mapping, gene hacking." }, { "end_time": "51:04", "start_time": "50:57", "text": "I say it because, again, Michi Okaku said that in the last 100 years, it could be one of the biggest scientific discoveries that mankind has ever made." }, { "end_time": "51:04", "start_time": "51:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "51:06", "start_time": "51:04", "text": "And the angle is designer babies." }, { "end_time": "51:07", "start_time": "51:06", "text": "You'll be able to designer babies." }, { "end_time": "51:08", "start_time": "51:07", "text": "You'll be able to say, nice." }, { "end_time": "51:10", "start_time": "51:09", "text": "I mean, not." }, { "end_time": "51:14", "start_time": "51:12", "text": "He should be so tall." }, { "end_time": "51:15", "start_time": "51:14", "text": "His eyes should be colored this way." }, { "end_time": "51:16", "start_time": "51:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "51:18", "start_time": "51:16", "text": "His whatever voice should be like this." }, { "end_time": "51:18", "start_time": "51:18", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "51:19", "start_time": "51:18", "text": "She should look like that." }, { "end_time": "51:20", "start_time": "51:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "51:21", "start_time": "51:20", "text": "That's the angle?" }, { "end_time": "51:22", "start_time": "51:22", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "51:27", "start_time": "51:22", "text": "So for me, it always starts off with a more let's prevent diseases." }, { "end_time": "51:29", "start_time": "51:28", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "51:32", "start_time": "51:29", "text": "That is how all health advancements start." }, { "end_time": "51:38", "start_time": "51:32", "text": "Similarly, for Neuralink, you would notice, let's treat patients of Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, seizures." }, { "end_time": "51:40", "start_time": "51:38", "text": "It's never about, let's make people superheroes." }, { "end_time": "51:45", "start_time": "51:42", "text": "That will happen, but you can't sell that." }, { "end_time": "51:54", "start_time": "51:46", "text": "So, initially, the whole genome product project would be about, let us be able to identify problems before they start." }, { "end_time": "51:59", "start_time": "51:54", "text": "Let us identify all the genes that can cause, say, diabetes or Alzheimer's." }, { "end_time": "52:04", "start_time": "52:00", "text": "See if they are there or not, that the baby is still in the womb." }, { "end_time": "52:09", "start_time": "52:05", "text": "And if at some point we become advanced enough that we can correct it, wouldn't you?" }, { "end_time": "52:17", "start_time": "52:10", "text": "And if you know that your baby will have Alzheimer's at the age of 50, and if you can change it now in a safe way, would you?" }, { "end_time": "52:19", "start_time": "52:18", "text": "Probably." }, { "end_time": "52:24", "start_time": "52:19", "text": "Because it's not nothing is stopping you from treating that Alzheimer's when it comes." }, { "end_time": "52:26", "start_time": "52:25", "text": "So why not prevent it?" }, { "end_time": "52:27", "start_time": "52:26", "text": "Similarly for diabetes." }, { "end_time": "52:32", "start_time": "52:28", "text": "So things that are obviously diseases, you will most likely treat." }, { "end_time": "52:33", "start_time": "52:32", "text": "I think most parents would." }, { "end_time": "52:37", "start_time": "52:34", "text": "And then that opens the door to ethical problems." }, { "end_time": "52:39", "start_time": "52:37", "text": "Now I want my child to be fair." }, { "end_time": "52:41", "start_time": "52:39", "text": "I want my child to be dark." }, { "end_time": "52:42", "start_time": "52:41", "text": "I want my child to be tall." }, { "end_time": "52:43", "start_time": "52:42", "text": "I want my child to be short." }, { "end_time": "52:46", "start_time": "52:43", "text": "Now these, are they problems?" }, { "end_time": "52:46", "start_time": "52:46", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "52:47", "start_time": "52:46", "text": "Are they diseases?" }, { "end_time": "52:48", "start_time": "52:47", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "52:51", "start_time": "52:49", "text": "Can a parent change it?" }, { "end_time": "52:58", "start_time": "52:52", "text": "It's a difficult question because we are changing children as soon as they're born anyway." }, { "end_time": "53:00", "start_time": "52:59", "text": "We are giving them a name." }, { "end_time": "53:02", "start_time": "53:00", "text": "We are telling them their gender." }, { "end_time": "53:08", "start_time": "53:02", "text": "We are sending them to the school of our choice to hang out with kids that we think will influence them in a particular way." }, { "end_time": "53:11", "start_time": "53:08", "text": "We are giving them books to influence them to think in a particular way." }, { "end_time": "53:13", "start_time": "53:12", "text": "All of that is influencing." }, { "end_time": "53:22", "start_time": "53:15", "text": "So till what level is it good parenting and at what level is it unethically changing somebody's genes?" }, { "end_time": "53:27", "start_time": "53:23", "text": "So this is a human story that we tell ourselves." }, { "end_time": "53:32", "start_time": "53:30", "text": "We are going against God's will." }, { "end_time": "53:35", "start_time": "53:33", "text": "Till where is God's will?" }, { "end_time": "53:38", "start_time": "53:35", "text": "If a child is born, we shouldn't interfere at all then." }, { "end_time": "53:47", "start_time": "53:40", "text": "So both extremes are bad, and at some point, we will come to a consensus that it is ethical." }, { "end_time": "53:48", "start_time": "53:47", "text": "Beyond this, it is not." }, { "end_time": "53:52", "start_time": "53:48", "text": "And the strange thing is that that line will keep changing." }, { "end_time": "53:54", "start_time": "53:53", "text": "As society evolves." }, { "end_time": "53:59", "start_time": "53:55", "text": "We will keep on reevaluating what is right, what is wrong." }, { "end_time": "54:02", "start_time": "54:00", "text": "So no telling where it will go." }, { "end_time": "54:10", "start_time": "54:02", "text": "But, the Human Genome Project is essentially understanding the whole genetic makeup of a human being." }, { "end_time": "54:11", "start_time": "54:10", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "54:13", "start_time": "54:11", "text": "Let's break down the biology a little bit more." }, { "end_time": "54:13", "start_time": "54:13", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "54:18", "start_time": "54:14", "text": "Why did it take so long to complete this human genome project?" }, { "end_time": "54:20", "start_time": "54:19", "text": "What was the difficulty?" }, { "end_time": "54:25", "start_time": "54:20", "text": "And, correct me if I'm wrong, but they're basically mapping out what a DNA strand looks like." }, { "end_time": "54:26", "start_time": "54:25", "text": "Am I right?" }, { "end_time": "54:26", "start_time": "54:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "54:26", "start_time": "54:26", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "54:33", "start_time": "54:26", "text": "So if you take out one hair of mine or one cell of my skin, it'll be made up of cells." }, { "end_time": "54:33", "start_time": "54:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "54:37", "start_time": "54:33", "text": "And those cells will have one part that contains your DNA strand." }, { "end_time": "54:38", "start_time": "54:37", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "54:40", "start_time": "54:38", "text": "And a DNA strand is a small physical thing." }, { "end_time": "54:40", "start_time": "54:40", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "54:41", "start_time": "54:40", "text": "Very tiny." }, { "end_time": "54:42", "start_time": "54:41", "text": "Smaller than a cell." }, { "end_time": "54:42", "start_time": "54:42", "text": "Correct." }, { "end_time": "54:44", "start_time": "54:43", "text": "Inside a cell is a nucleus." }, { "end_time": "54:45", "start_time": "54:44", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "54:47", "start_time": "54:45", "text": "Inside the nucleus is the DNA." }, { "end_time": "54:48", "start_time": "54:47", "text": "And it's one strand?" }, { "end_time": "54:50", "start_time": "54:49", "text": "Two strands." }, { "end_time": "54:50", "start_time": "54:50", "text": "Two strands of DNA." }, { "end_time": "54:51", "start_time": "54:50", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "54:52", "start_time": "54:51", "text": "One from your mom, one from your dad." }, { "end_time": "54:53", "start_time": "54:53", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "54:54", "start_time": "54:54", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "54:55", "start_time": "54:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "54:56", "start_time": "54:56", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "55:00", "start_time": "54:56", "text": "I I one of them is altered, and then one of them stays the same from the parent." }, { "end_time": "55:01", "start_time": "55:00", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "55:02", "start_time": "55:01", "text": "So there are 23 chromosomes." }, { "end_time": "55:06", "start_time": "55:03", "text": "So we have those chromosomes." }, { "end_time": "55:10", "start_time": "55:06", "text": "And inside each chromosome, there are many, many, many, many base pairs." }, { "end_time": "55:14", "start_time": "55:10", "text": "So that is combinations of amino acids." }, { "end_time": "55:30", "start_time": "55:15", "text": "So you need to know the sequence of those amino acids because in one particular, like, for example, if you heard of something called Down syndrome, Down syndrome is when your 21st chromosome, there is a trisomy." }, { "end_time": "55:33", "start_time": "55:30", "text": "So there is an extra copy of that." }, { "end_time": "55:34", "start_time": "55:33", "text": "Now that is a problem." }, { "end_time": "55:38", "start_time": "55:35", "text": "So if that is there, then you have chances of getting down syndrome." }, { "end_time": "55:41", "start_time": "55:39", "text": "So that is a very simple one to diagnose." }, { "end_time": "55:43", "start_time": "55:41", "text": "So this was known very early on." }, { "end_time": "55:58", "start_time": "55:43", "text": "But if the problem is much more specific and hidden inside one of the base pairs of one of the genes, one of the chromosome, then the diagnosis of that is much more complex, which is why it took so long." }, { "end_time": "56:00", "start_time": "55:58", "text": "And we have still not done yet." }, { "end_time": "56:02", "start_time": "56:01", "text": "The project is still going on." }, { "end_time": "56:07", "start_time": "56:02", "text": "We are still trying to understand where all the diseases are coming from at a genetic level." }, { "end_time": "56:16", "start_time": "56:07", "text": "Because even this is mathematics, it's a framework for how your body will function when that little cell becomes one full human being." }, { "end_time": "56:18", "start_time": "56:16", "text": "It's kind of a prediction for the future." }, { "end_time": "56:18", "start_time": "56:18", "text": "Correct." }, { "end_time": "56:26", "start_time": "56:18", "text": "And based on the different combinations within that DNA stand, I'm sure it'll lead to new, possibilities and realities." }, { "end_time": "56:26", "start_time": "56:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "56:28", "start_time": "56:26", "text": "Also because it's not always 1 is to 1." }, { "end_time": "56:29", "start_time": "56:28", "text": "It's not that 8 problem." }, { "end_time": "56:33", "start_time": "56:31", "text": "Because multiple genes will interact with each other." }, { "end_time": "56:39", "start_time": "56:34", "text": "So you need to have this combination of problems to have this effect." }, { "end_time": "56:39", "start_time": "56:39", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "56:41", "start_time": "56:39", "text": "So that increases the complexity." }, { "end_time": "56:42", "start_time": "56:42", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "56:45", "start_time": "56:42", "text": "So it's a very complex problem on a very microscopic scale." }, { "end_time": "56:47", "start_time": "56:45", "text": "That's what that's why it's taking so long." }, { "end_time": "56:47", "start_time": "56:47", "text": "Correct." }, { "end_time": "56:48", "start_time": "56:48", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "56:57", "start_time": "56:48", "text": "And now correct me if I'm wrong, but I've heard people say things like, I think they experimented with the, part of the DNA sequence, which is responsible for AIDS or cancer." }, { "end_time": "56:58", "start_time": "56:57", "text": "I can't remember which one." }, { "end_time": "56:59", "start_time": "56:58", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "57:12", "start_time": "56:59", "text": "But when they pulled it out and they made that cell sort of cancer free or that that human being that would form from that cell cancer free or AIDS free, I can't remember which one it was, it also affected muscular growth." }, { "end_time": "57:14", "start_time": "57:13", "text": "Possible." }, { "end_time": "57:16", "start_time": "57:14", "text": "I don't remember this particular study." }, { "end_time": "57:19", "start_time": "57:17", "text": "It was something related to muscular growth." }, { "end_time": "57:30", "start_time": "57:19", "text": "It is definitely possible because, most of the things that can go wrong with the body, it has originally developed so that something can go right." }, { "end_time": "57:37", "start_time": "57:31", "text": "So if you influence the wrong thing, many times the right thing also gets affected." }, { "end_time": "57:39", "start_time": "57:37", "text": "Maybe in a more positive way." }, { "end_time": "57:40", "start_time": "57:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "57:41", "start_time": "57:40", "text": "Or in a negative way." }, { "end_time": "57:42", "start_time": "57:41", "text": "That's what you're trying to figure." }, { "end_time": "57:42", "start_time": "57:42", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "57:43", "start_time": "57:43", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "57:47", "start_time": "57:43", "text": "So that's that's the reason why most of these treatments are difficult." }, { "end_time": "57:58", "start_time": "57:47", "text": "So, like, for example, if you have a disease called rheumatoid arthritis, for example, so that is where your joints get affected because your immune system is attacking itself." }, { "end_time": "58:01", "start_time": "57:59", "text": "Your immune system attacks our own body." }, { "end_time": "58:07", "start_time": "58:01", "text": "Now to treat that, you have to give medicines to shut down the immune system." }, { "end_time": "58:07", "start_time": "58:07", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "58:12", "start_time": "58:07", "text": "Because the immune system was misbehaving, but the immune system developed for a reason to fight infections." }, { "end_time": "58:16", "start_time": "58:13", "text": "Now that you've shut down the immune system, infections can come." }, { "end_time": "58:23", "start_time": "58:16", "text": "This give and take is a part of every medical treatment, you know, so that that'll happen here also." }, { "end_time": "58:32", "start_time": "58:24", "text": "In this domain, one last question before we move on to the final leg, which is that when you actually want to alter a DNA sequence, there's some technology, I'm assuming." }, { "end_time": "58:33", "start_time": "58:32", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "58:34", "start_time": "58:33", "text": "What is that technology?" }, { "end_time": "58:35", "start_time": "58:34", "text": "It's like a machine." }, { "end_time": "58:39", "start_time": "58:35", "text": "The latest one is CRISPR, which is a pretty cool technology." }, { "end_time": "58:46", "start_time": "58:39", "text": "It's literally that you go in and at a molecular level, you can select it's like cut and paste." }, { "end_time": "58:51", "start_time": "58:47", "text": "So you say that out of this whole sentence of genes, I don't like these three words." }, { "end_time": "58:57", "start_time": "58:52", "text": "So let me go in, cut it off, take it out, and put in another 3 words that I liked." }, { "end_time": "58:58", "start_time": "58:57", "text": "This is how you can alter the height." }, { "end_time": "58:59", "start_time": "58:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "59:00", "start_time": "58:59", "text": "The look of the baby." }, { "end_time": "59:01", "start_time": "59:00", "text": "Oversimplification." }, { "end_time": "59:03", "start_time": "59:01", "text": "But, yeah, technically, you can." }, { "end_time": "59:12", "start_time": "59:03", "text": "If you have cracked the code to that level, you can change snippets of somebody's genetic sequence and technically change who they are." }, { "end_time": "59:13", "start_time": "59:12", "text": "What's the engineering of CRISPR?" }, { "end_time": "59:17", "start_time": "59:13", "text": "Is it a is it like actually 2 scissors?" }, { "end_time": "59:17", "start_time": "59:17", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "59:19", "start_time": "59:17", "text": "It's these are chemical scissors." }, { "end_time": "59:20", "start_time": "59:19", "text": "So there are Okay." }, { "end_time": "59:26", "start_time": "59:21", "text": "Chemical molecules that you can add to the gene, and then it can go in and do that." }, { "end_time": "59:26", "start_time": "59:26", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "59:27", "start_time": "59:26", "text": "The deep biochemistry." }, { "end_time": "59:28", "start_time": "59:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "59:29", "start_time": "59:28", "text": "Wow, man." }, { "end_time": "59:34", "start_time": "59:29", "text": "And the beautiful thing about CRISPR is that you don't need a huge lab to do this." }, { "end_time": "59:39", "start_time": "59:34", "text": "Apparently, the technology has already evolved to a point where you could do it in a small lab." }, { "end_time": "59:44", "start_time": "59:40", "text": "Like, every city or every village could have a CRISPR lab." }, { "end_time": "59:46", "start_time": "59:44", "text": "So this is actually a win of the world of chemistry." }, { "end_time": "59:47", "start_time": "59:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "59:47", "start_time": "59:47", "text": "A huge one." }, { "end_time": "59:49", "start_time": "59:47", "text": "I think, it won the Nobel Prize." }, { "end_time": "59:51", "start_time": "59:49", "text": "I forget which year, but yeah." }, { "end_time": "59:52", "start_time": "59:51", "text": "That's it." }, { "end_time": "59:52", "start_time": "59:52", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "59:54", "start_time": "59:53", "text": "And one last Okay." }, { "end_time": "59:56", "start_time": "59:55", "text": "Round of discussion." }, { "end_time": "59:57", "start_time": "59:56", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:00:02", "start_time": "59:58", "text": "Again, from that podcast, which I highly recommend you, check out that person's work." }, { "end_time": "1:00:04", "start_time": "1:00:02", "text": "Vahanka Avijit Chowder." }, { "end_time": "1:00:08", "start_time": "1:00:04", "text": "Like, he's a astrophysicist who has knowledge about a lot of subjects." }, { "end_time": "1:00:08", "start_time": "1:00:08", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:00:12", "start_time": "1:00:08", "text": "They asked him that, what's the most fascinating technology in recent times that you love?" }, { "end_time": "1:00:15", "start_time": "1:00:12", "text": "And he spoke about this CRISPR and the genome project." }, { "end_time": "1:00:22", "start_time": "1:00:16", "text": "And they said that after you pass away, very soon after you pass away, what would you be excited about?" }, { "end_time": "1:00:30", "start_time": "1:00:22", "text": "So he said that in the same way that DNA has started to get mapped completely, they are trying to map the human brain as well." }, { "end_time": "1:00:32", "start_time": "1:00:30", "text": "Now the human brain is made up of neurons." }, { "end_time": "1:00:37", "start_time": "1:00:33", "text": "What if you can represent each of those neurons using a transistor?" }, { "end_time": "1:00:38", "start_time": "1:00:38", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:00:43", "start_time": "1:00:38", "text": "I don't know how to explain a transistor in layman's terms because I don't know." }, { "end_time": "1:00:46", "start_time": "1:00:43", "text": "I've forgotten I mean, I wasn't a good engineering student, honestly." }, { "end_time": "1:00:51", "start_time": "1:00:46", "text": "But think of it in the same way that you would think of a neuron, a cell that can pass electricity from one side to another." }, { "end_time": "1:00:52", "start_time": "1:00:51", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:00:59", "start_time": "1:00:52", "text": "Say if I have to take Ranvee's brain and represent it and recreate it using transistors that fill up a big cricket stadium." }, { "end_time": "1:01:00", "start_time": "1:01:00", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:04", "start_time": "1:01:00", "text": "Now maybe this will take years to create a lot of space, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "1:01:09", "start_time": "1:01:04", "text": "Maybe it'll be as because Bandra, all of Bandra will my brain will, like, be there in in physical form." }, { "end_time": "1:01:18", "start_time": "1:01:10", "text": "Now once you have that brain network and you fire electricity from one side and switch it on, the question he raised is, does that become a conscious being?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:21", "start_time": "1:01:19", "text": "Does that brain give rise to conscious being?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:28", "start_time": "1:01:21", "text": "Say now rather than just the brain occupying Bandra, what have you build a robotic body with that brain inside, with the functioning liver, etcetera, whatever." }, { "end_time": "1:01:31", "start_time": "1:01:29", "text": "Does that become a massive giant or building?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:32", "start_time": "1:01:31", "text": "You wouldn't need a liver." }, { "end_time": "1:01:38", "start_time": "1:01:33", "text": "In fact, the interesting thing is that you wouldn't need any of the other organs." }, { "end_time": "1:01:41", "start_time": "1:01:39", "text": "Just a brain and a." }, { "end_time": "1:01:44", "start_time": "1:01:41", "text": "Just a brain and something for movement." }, { "end_time": "1:01:46", "start_time": "1:01:44", "text": "Because essentially, that's what you are." }, { "end_time": "1:01:56", "start_time": "1:01:47", "text": "You are a brain that can move your heart exists to pump blood into the brain, which a robot will not need." }, { "end_time": "1:02:06", "start_time": "1:01:57", "text": "Your lungs exist to take in oxygen so that it can oxygenate the blood to give to the brain, which our brain would not need." }, { "end_time": "1:02:09", "start_time": "1:02:06", "text": "Liver is to digest food, which you don't need." }, { "end_time": "1:02:13", "start_time": "1:02:10", "text": "Kidneys to put out urine, which you don't need." }, { "end_time": "1:02:21", "start_time": "1:02:13", "text": "So your whole body, all of your systems will be unnecessary if you have a robotic brain." }, { "end_time": "1:02:22", "start_time": "1:02:21", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:23", "start_time": "1:02:22", "text": "It's a non organic brain." }, { "end_time": "1:02:24", "start_time": "1:02:23", "text": "It's not a biological brain." }, { "end_time": "1:02:25", "start_time": "1:02:24", "text": "So you don't need any of that." }, { "end_time": "1:02:29", "start_time": "1:02:26", "text": "It could literally be a brain on wheels for movement." }, { "end_time": "1:02:34", "start_time": "1:02:30", "text": "His further question in the same domain is, see, this is likely going to happen." }, { "end_time": "1:02:38", "start_time": "1:02:34", "text": "It's a matter of computers, becoming faster." }, { "end_time": "1:02:39", "start_time": "1:02:38", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:02:45", "start_time": "1:02:39", "text": "The reason that I don't think it'll happen is because it's not just about mapping each individual neuron." }, { "end_time": "1:02:54", "start_time": "1:02:45", "text": "It is also about figuring out how each individual individual neuron is connected to each other, which is extremely difficult." }, { "end_time": "1:02:54", "start_time": "1:02:54", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:03:10", "start_time": "1:02:54", "text": "Extremely difficult because if it's difficult to map 1,000,000,000 neurons to more 1,000,000,000 transistors, imagine how difficult it is to figure out how those 1,000,000,000 transistors are connecting to each other over 1,000,000,000,000 synapses." }, { "end_time": "1:03:11", "start_time": "1:03:11", "text": "Look." }, { "end_time": "1:03:13", "start_time": "1:03:11", "text": "Think of the logistics of that." }, { "end_time": "1:03:16", "start_time": "1:03:14", "text": "And it's not even that it's a one is to one connection." }, { "end_time": "1:03:26", "start_time": "1:03:17", "text": "It's that if a neuron a is talking to neuron b for some reason because neuron a is talking to neuron b, neuron c can't talk to neuron d." }, { "end_time": "1:03:39", "start_time": "1:03:27", "text": "So the whole loop has so many negative feedbacks, positive feedbacks, and, you know, back channels that, it is the communication that makes the difference." }, { "end_time": "1:03:43", "start_time": "1:03:39", "text": "Our neurons are actually very, very similar, but the connections are different." }, { "end_time": "1:03:45", "start_time": "1:03:44", "text": "Can I play devil's advocate?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:45", "start_time": "1:03:45", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "1:03:46", "start_time": "1:03:45", "text": "Go ahead." }, { "end_time": "1:03:49", "start_time": "1:03:46", "text": "Let's talk about the past technologies we've spoken about in this podcast itself." }, { "end_time": "1:03:56", "start_time": "1:03:50", "text": "We spoke with the high quality MRI machine that maps out your brain and that, cross section." }, { "end_time": "1:03:56", "start_time": "1:03:56", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:03:58", "start_time": "1:03:56", "text": "Now I'm sure those technologies will also advance." }, { "end_time": "1:03:59", "start_time": "1:03:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:04:01", "start_time": "1:03:59", "text": "Apparently, 3 d printing will also advance." }, { "end_time": "1:04:02", "start_time": "1:04:02", "text": "Boom." }, { "end_time": "1:04:05", "start_time": "1:04:02", "text": "You combine the 2 and you have Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:04:06", "start_time": "1:04:05", "text": "Deeply connected." }, { "end_time": "1:04:07", "start_time": "1:04:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:04:10", "start_time": "1:04:07", "text": "I'm I don't think it is, impossible." }, { "end_time": "1:04:16", "start_time": "1:04:11", "text": "In fact, I think it is inevitable if you're going to say infinite time." }, { "end_time": "1:04:17", "start_time": "1:04:16", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:17", "start_time": "1:04:17", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:04:24", "start_time": "1:04:17", "text": "If you say 500 years, I would say, yeah, it's it's possible to map out a human brain." }, { "end_time": "1:04:25", "start_time": "1:04:24", "text": "So that's what I think." }, { "end_time": "1:04:29", "start_time": "1:04:26", "text": "I also think that our understanding of brains and all is increasing so much." }, { "end_time": "1:04:36", "start_time": "1:04:29", "text": "And these other tertiary technologies which are unrelated to the brain but can be applied to, like, 3 d printing, like those powerful scans." }, { "end_time": "1:04:37", "start_time": "1:04:36", "text": "All that's also gonna advance." }, { "end_time": "1:04:42", "start_time": "1:04:37", "text": "I just I would like to believe that the human race is at the brink of technological revolution." }, { "end_time": "1:04:42", "start_time": "1:04:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:04:43", "start_time": "1:04:43", "text": "These are the ones." }, { "end_time": "1:04:44", "start_time": "1:04:44", "text": "1." }, { "end_time": "1:04:46", "start_time": "1:04:44", "text": "We are in the midst of 1." }, { "end_time": "1:04:49", "start_time": "1:04:46", "text": "We don't realize it because it's happening around us." }, { "end_time": "1:04:55", "start_time": "1:04:50", "text": "But, yeah, we are in the midst of a huge technological boom that is only going to get exponentially quicker." }, { "end_time": "1:04:56", "start_time": "1:04:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:05:00", "start_time": "1:04:56", "text": "And it's terrifying and exciting." }, { "end_time": "1:05:17", "start_time": "1:05:01", "text": "So the the last thing that brought up about this concept, that if you can take a copy of your own brain and build it in the real world using metal, it's likely that that'll be a great home for all the data that's already running in your brain." }, { "end_time": "1:05:18", "start_time": "1:05:17", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:05:19", "start_time": "1:05:19", "text": "Interesting." }, { "end_time": "1:05:23", "start_time": "1:05:20", "text": "Because your memories are also a big connection of neurons." }, { "end_time": "1:05:25", "start_time": "1:05:23", "text": "All that's already there in that metal." }, { "end_time": "1:05:29", "start_time": "1:05:26", "text": "Is there any way to transfer your own electricity there?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:31", "start_time": "1:05:29", "text": "Is that called transferring consciousness?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:35", "start_time": "1:05:31", "text": "Is that the Black Mirror episode where they upload the consciousness onto a computer?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:44", "start_time": "1:05:35", "text": "So it is technically possible to take a screenshot of who you are and map it onto a brain, into a artificial brain." }, { "end_time": "1:05:51", "start_time": "1:05:44", "text": "But every time you experience a new situation, those neurons are changing." }, { "end_time": "1:06:02", "start_time": "1:05:52", "text": "Now can those transistors can those metallic wires have the capacity to automatically unhook themselves and hook onto another one?" }, { "end_time": "1:06:02", "start_time": "1:06:02", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "1:06:06", "start_time": "1:06:02", "text": "Can those transistors have the capacity to divide into new transistors?" }, { "end_time": "1:06:09", "start_time": "1:06:07", "text": "Because that's what the brain is doing." }, { "end_time": "1:06:18", "start_time": "1:06:09", "text": "So even if you map Ranveer today into a robot, 5 minutes later, you guys are gonna be different." }, { "end_time": "1:06:18", "start_time": "1:06:18", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:06:23", "start_time": "1:06:18", "text": "Because that Ranveer is going to remain Ranveer of today, and you will be different in 5 minutes." }, { "end_time": "1:06:27", "start_time": "1:06:24", "text": "So evolutionarily, you are still at an advantage." }, { "end_time": "1:06:31", "start_time": "1:06:29", "text": "And this is where I bring in stem cells." }, { "end_time": "1:06:33", "start_time": "1:06:32", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:06:44", "start_time": "1:06:33", "text": "So when the day we can come up with biological organic computers, we have a chance of replicating our consciousness onto a computer." }, { "end_time": "1:06:48", "start_time": "1:06:44", "text": "And biological organic computers are a combination of all these technologies we just spoke about." }, { "end_time": "1:06:48", "start_time": "1:06:48", "text": "Correct." }, { "end_time": "1:06:52", "start_time": "1:06:48", "text": "Because biological organic computers are what we are." }, { "end_time": "1:06:56", "start_time": "1:06:53", "text": "So, basically, we are trying to replicate ourselves." }, { "end_time": "1:07:00", "start_time": "1:06:56", "text": "And if you think this podcast was fun, you should check out the others." }, { "end_time": "1:07:02", "start_time": "1:07:00", "text": "Even the Hindi episodes we've done." }, { "end_time": "1:07:07", "start_time": "1:07:02", "text": "So currently, the best way to create a biological organic computer is to have sex." }, { "end_time": "1:07:12", "start_time": "1:07:09", "text": "Which was the topic for our last episode." }, { "end_time": "1:07:14", "start_time": "1:07:12", "text": "It's about 1 AM." }, { "end_time": "1:07:15", "start_time": "1:07:14", "text": "Doctor Sid Worr, your face Crazy." }, { "end_time": "1:07:16", "start_time": "1:07:15", "text": "Episodes again." }, { "end_time": "1:07:17", "start_time": "1:07:17", "text": "Crazy." }, { "end_time": "1:07:23", "start_time": "1:07:18", "text": "How does it feel at the end of this, brain sex situation?" }, { "end_time": "1:07:25", "start_time": "1:07:24", "text": "Insane, man." }, { "end_time": "1:07:25", "start_time": "1:07:25", "text": "Insane." }, { "end_time": "1:07:33", "start_time": "1:07:26", "text": "We have, we have we've talked about too many intellectual things without getting too tired." }, { "end_time": "1:07:35", "start_time": "1:07:34", "text": "So I I love that." }, { "end_time": "1:07:37", "start_time": "1:07:35", "text": "I love the vibe that you've created." }, { "end_time": "1:07:39", "start_time": "1:07:37", "text": "You're a great podcaster, man." }, { "end_time": "1:07:39", "start_time": "1:07:39", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:07:40", "start_time": "1:07:39", "text": "Thank you, bro." }, { "end_time": "1:07:41", "start_time": "1:07:40", "text": "Thinking of switching it off." }, { "end_time": "1:07:43", "start_time": "1:07:42", "text": "Oh, yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:07:50", "start_time": "1:07:43", "text": "Maybe maybe I'll 3 d print my own frame and make that that run." }, { "end_time": "1:07:52", "start_time": "1:07:50", "text": "We'll do the international gig." }, { "end_time": "1:07:54", "start_time": "1:07:52", "text": "Doctor Sid Worrior, thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:07:55", "start_time": "1:07:54", "text": "Thank you for having me, man." }, { "end_time": "1:07:56", "start_time": "1:07:55", "text": "This was a lot of fun." }, { "end_time": "1:07:57", "start_time": "1:07:56", "text": "See you." }, { "end_time": "1:07:57", "start_time": "1:07:57", "text": "See you." }, { "end_time": "1:08:01", "start_time": "1:07:57", "text": "That was the episode for today, especially for international audiences." }, { "end_time": "1:08:08", "start_time": "1:08:01", "text": "If you enjoyed this conversation with Sid Worrior, you have to check out the entire series we've done with him, some incredible topics that we've touched upon." }, { "end_time": "1:08:15", "start_time": "1:08:09", "text": "This was only the recent episode from our series with Doctor Sid Worrall." }, { "end_time": "1:08:18", "start_time": "1:08:15", "text": "For more episodes of TRS, make sure you follow us on Spotify." }, { "end_time": "1:08:23", "start_time": "1:08:19", "text": "Every episode is available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world." }, { "end_time": "1:08:31", "start_time": "1:08:23", "text": "And if you're a regular listener or watcher of TRS, I'd love to know what other episodes you'd like with the master, doctor Sid Wario." }, { "end_time": "1:08:32", "start_time": "1:08:31", "text": "Comment below." }, { "end_time": "1:08:33", "start_time": "1:08:32", "text": "Tell us on our social media." }, { "end_time": "1:08:37", "start_time": "1:08:34", "text": "This podcasting journey has only just begun." } ] }

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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:06", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "Many Indians consider Major Vivek Jacob to be one of the most legendary modern day figures of the Indian army." }, { "end_time": "0:09", "start_time": "0:06", "text": "He's a veteran of the Indian para s f." }, { "end_time": "0:14", "start_time": "0:09", "text": "The Indian para s f itself is considered to be the most advanced part of the Indian army." }, { "end_time": "0:23", "start_time": "0:15", "text": "And on a worldwide scale, the Indian para s f is looked at as one of the most respected regiments of any army anywhere in the world." }, { "end_time": "0:34", "start_time": "0:23", "text": "And the experiences he's had, the stories of combat, the intensity of combat, the extreme combat situations that he has seen are something that will stay with you forever." }, { "end_time": "0:37", "start_time": "0:34", "text": "This is part 1 of our episode with major Vivek Jacob." }, { "end_time": "0:43", "start_time": "0:38", "text": "So many stories, so many experiences, so many mentality pieces to share with you." }, { "end_time": "0:49", "start_time": "0:43", "text": "We couldn't even encapsulate all of it into 2 parts of this chat with major Vivek Jaykab." }, { "end_time": "0:54", "start_time": "0:49", "text": "This is just part 1 about his tenure with the Indian army." }, { "end_time": "0:57", "start_time": "0:54", "text": "Part 2 is about what he's doing now with his organization claw." }, { "end_time": "1:08", "start_time": "0:58", "text": "But here's part 1, his past, everything he learned, some of his most intense moments brought to you on the Ranbir show." }, { "end_time": "1:23", "start_time": "1:23", "text": "Everyone." }, { "end_time": "1:27", "start_time": "1:23", "text": "Welcome to an extremely special episode of the NV show." }, { "end_time": "1:29", "start_time": "1:27", "text": "Sir, absolute honor having you here." }, { "end_time": "1:33", "start_time": "1:29", "text": "Let me tell you before we begin, this is a very, very request episode right from the time we started." }, { "end_time": "1:38", "start_time": "1:34", "text": "We have Indian army veteran, major Vivek Jacob of the Indian special forces." }, { "end_time": "1:41", "start_time": "1:39", "text": "So, honor having you here." }, { "end_time": "1:43", "start_time": "1:42", "text": "Dittoya, same." }, { "end_time": "1:46", "start_time": "1:44", "text": "So, did I did I introduce you right?" }, { "end_time": "1:54", "start_time": "1:46", "text": "Because when it comes to the Indian army, the armed janta, the public doesn't understand the way it's regimented, the way the army is, like, divided." }, { "end_time": "2:00", "start_time": "1:54", "text": "People don't understand what the paramilitary is, versus what the Indian army is." }, { "end_time": "2:04", "start_time": "2:00", "text": "So, of course, we'll touch upon those points, but this podcast is primarily about your story." }, { "end_time": "2:09", "start_time": "2:04", "text": "Everything that you're doing with claw, with operation blue freedom, We'll touch upon all those topics." }, { "end_time": "2:14", "start_time": "2:10", "text": "But I'd like to actually begin with your own story." }, { "end_time": "2:17", "start_time": "2:14", "text": "Like, after the NDA, everyone knows the journey till the NDA." }, { "end_time": "2:18", "start_time": "2:17", "text": "What happens after that?" }, { "end_time": "2:20", "start_time": "2:18", "text": "How does the Indian army get divided?" }, { "end_time": "2:25", "start_time": "2:22", "text": "So it all begins before you get into NDA." }, { "end_time": "2:32", "start_time": "2:26", "text": "Basically, people have, you know, they want to join air force or army or navy." }, { "end_time": "2:34", "start_time": "2:33", "text": "Mostly, it's like that." }, { "end_time": "2:39", "start_time": "2:34", "text": "They already have, like, preconceived, and some people are on slightly on survival mode and all that." }, { "end_time": "2:43", "start_time": "2:39", "text": "They need to just get into the armed forces or something like that, and then figure it out from there." }, { "end_time": "2:45", "start_time": "2:43", "text": "A lot of people don't know what it's all about." }, { "end_time": "2:50", "start_time": "2:46", "text": "So for them, you know, there's not much of difference between an army, navy, or an air force." }, { "end_time": "2:52", "start_time": "2:50", "text": "Some people are like that as well." }, { "end_time": "2:54", "start_time": "2:52", "text": "But once you so you opt like that." }, { "end_time": "3:07", "start_time": "2:54", "text": "So you're, when you you go through the merit and all those various stages which are there to enter into the NDA, you're classified into army, navy, air force." }, { "end_time": "3:08", "start_time": "3:07", "text": "You come like a cadet like that from there only." }, { "end_time": "3:09", "start_time": "3:08", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "3:13", "start_time": "3:09", "text": "So then till the 4th term of NDA, you are trained similarly." }, { "end_time": "3:18", "start_time": "3:13", "text": "You all go through whether the army, navy, air force, cadets, you go through the same training till the 4th term." }, { "end_time": "3:22", "start_time": "3:19", "text": "5th term, 6th term is when at least that's how it was in my time." }, { "end_time": "3:23", "start_time": "3:22", "text": "I don't know what it's like right now." }, { "end_time": "3:31", "start_time": "3:24", "text": "But in in the when you come to the 5th term, you go you divide into specialized subjects towards the navy, towards the air force, towards the army." }, { "end_time": "3:45", "start_time": "3:32", "text": "Like, the air force guys start flying you know, they start getting taught how to fly gliders, and then, the navy guys go into, you know, navigation and stuff like that of, map reading at sea and stuff." }, { "end_time": "3:52", "start_time": "3:45", "text": "And the army guys go into weapon training and things like that, which are more, you know, akin to the army kind of a job." }, { "end_time": "3:53", "start_time": "3:52", "text": "Yes, sir." }, { "end_time": "3:57", "start_time": "3:53", "text": "So when we finish off with all this training from India itself, we divide out." }, { "end_time": "3:59", "start_time": "3:57", "text": "The navy guys go to the naval academy." }, { "end_time": "4:01", "start_time": "3:59", "text": "The, you know, air force guys go to the air force academy." }, { "end_time": "4:04", "start_time": "4:01", "text": "The army guys go to Indian military academy." }, { "end_time": "4:11", "start_time": "4:04", "text": "Then we spend about a year there in our various academies, and then we get commissioned and go into our various services." }, { "end_time": "4:13", "start_time": "4:12", "text": "I went into the army." }, { "end_time": "4:13", "start_time": "4:13", "text": "I chose the army." }, { "end_time": "4:17", "start_time": "4:13", "text": "I went into the army, and after NDA, I went to IMA." }, { "end_time": "4:28", "start_time": "4:18", "text": "In IMA, when you're completing a year and you're about to get commission, there is a place where you have to opt for which particular regiment in the army you would like to go to." }, { "end_time": "4:29", "start_time": "4:28", "text": "And what is that based on?" }, { "end_time": "4:31", "start_time": "4:29", "text": "Like, what are the different options?" }, { "end_time": "4:33", "start_time": "4:31", "text": "What goes on in your end?" }, { "end_time": "4:41", "start_time": "4:34", "text": "So for, there there is a merit list which is prepared at the end of your training in Indian military academy." }, { "end_time": "4:52", "start_time": "4:41", "text": "It is prepared during your your ad judge and, in your service subjects, in your physical performance, in your sports and games, in your leadership qualities, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "4:58", "start_time": "4:52", "text": "And then you you are placed into a merit depending on your total number of points that you have." }, { "end_time": "5:01", "start_time": "4:58", "text": "So there is something called a superblock, and there's something called a powerblock." }, { "end_time": "5:04", "start_time": "5:02", "text": "So and everybody else in between." }, { "end_time": "5:07", "start_time": "5:04", "text": "So superblock is the first 10 guys, I don't even remember." }, { "end_time": "5:10", "start_time": "5:07", "text": "It's first 10 or first 20 or something like that." }, { "end_time": "5:10", "start_time": "5:10", "text": "They are the superblock." }, { "end_time": "5:16", "start_time": "5:11", "text": "They are the top in merit in the course, and they get to choose where they want to go." }, { "end_time": "5:18", "start_time": "5:16", "text": "Provided there is a vacancy, but mostly vacancies are there." }, { "end_time": "5:21", "start_time": "5:18", "text": "So they get to choose some people to opt for engineers." }, { "end_time": "5:26", "start_time": "5:21", "text": "Some people opt for, you know, like, technical arms or for the infantry or for the special forces." }, { "end_time": "5:27", "start_time": "5:26", "text": "It's like that." }, { "end_time": "5:30", "start_time": "5:28", "text": "So the first 20 guys get to choose what they want." }, { "end_time": "5:37", "start_time": "5:30", "text": "The next of the guys, they also get to choose what they want, but, you know, depending on the kind of vacancy, it depends where you go." }, { "end_time": "5:37", "start_time": "5:37", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "5:39", "start_time": "5:37", "text": "And then there's the power block." }, { "end_time": "5:54", "start_time": "5:39", "text": "So the power block is apparently the lowest in merit, and, they, also choose what they want they want, but then depending on the kind of vacancies, they get what is best available." }, { "end_time": "6:07", "start_time": "5:54", "text": "The overall logic behind all of this grading and spreading out is that equal amount of balanced, personalities, talent, has to go into all regiments." }, { "end_time": "6:08", "start_time": "6:07", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "6:15", "start_time": "6:08", "text": "So you'll find a super block guy going to the same place, and you'll find a power block guy also going to the same regiment." }, { "end_time": "6:15", "start_time": "6:15", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "6:19", "start_time": "6:15", "text": "But the special forces guys, they get to they choose." }, { "end_time": "6:21", "start_time": "6:19", "text": "You have to volunteer for special forces." }, { "end_time": "6:21", "start_time": "6:21", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:26", "start_time": "6:21", "text": "You have to sign a volunteer form and you have to you get 3 options, option 1, option 2, option 3." }, { "end_time": "6:28", "start_time": "6:26", "text": "Every guy gets 3 options." }, { "end_time": "6:30", "start_time": "6:29", "text": "So like that." }, { "end_time": "6:36", "start_time": "6:30", "text": "So so, like, again, the Indian special forces, for someone who knows about the army, it's considered okay." }, { "end_time": "6:41", "start_time": "6:36", "text": "This is like the most, for lack of a better word, badass part of the army." }, { "end_time": "6:44", "start_time": "6:41", "text": "Amgen doesn't really understand what special forces entails." }, { "end_time": "6:46", "start_time": "6:45", "text": "Could you expand a little bit on that?" }, { "end_time": "6:49", "start_time": "6:46", "text": "Because I'll I'll tell you what perspective I'm coming from." }, { "end_time": "7:00", "start_time": "6:49", "text": "We see so much about US Navy Seals, US Marines, and, you know, because of the media in Hollywood and all it's projected like, oh, these guys are the most badass MFOs in the world." }, { "end_time": "7:09", "start_time": "7:00", "text": "And here we have the Indian special forces who are probably even more badass because of the kind of terrain we have in India, because of all the different kinds of operations that the Indian army deals with." }, { "end_time": "7:10", "start_time": "7:09", "text": "And there's not much about that out there." }, { "end_time": "7:19", "start_time": "7:10", "text": "And I know it's going to change in the next 10, 20 or so, but if the change had to begin with this question, how would you introduce the Indian special forces to the Indian audiences?" }, { "end_time": "7:44", "start_time": "7:20", "text": "So this whole perception of what special forces is, very understandably, because people who are not in special forces, who have not experienced what the job is, have not gone through the training, who have not gone through the combat experiences, etcetera, would like to delve into who is more, who is less, who is better, who is, you know, more this or that." }, { "end_time": "7:49", "start_time": "7:44", "text": "But actually, people who are actually in the special forces know that there there's a certain kind of mindset." }, { "end_time": "7:52", "start_time": "7:49", "text": "You'll find a lot of people in the special forces who are not there." }, { "end_time": "7:53", "start_time": "7:53", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "7:55", "start_time": "7:53", "text": "You mean not up to the mark?" }, { "end_time": "7:55", "start_time": "7:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:55", "start_time": "7:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:55", "start_time": "7:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:56", "start_time": "7:55", "text": "Not up to the mark." }, { "end_time": "7:56", "start_time": "7:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:00", "start_time": "7:56", "text": "Definitely, they don't have what it takes to deliver what is required in combat." }, { "end_time": "8:02", "start_time": "8:00", "text": "From a mentality perspective." }, { "end_time": "8:02", "start_time": "8:02", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "8:12", "start_time": "8:02", "text": "It's all it's all, what you do finally when when, you know, the the shit is flying, that's what makes you special forces." }, { "end_time": "8:21", "start_time": "8:12", "text": "You can wear any fancy uniform and you can carry any fancy weapon and all sorts of daggers and grenades and fly all sorts of drones and all sorts of UAVs and all sorts of jazz, you can have it to disposal." }, { "end_time": "8:32", "start_time": "8:22", "text": "But if you don't have that instinct to explore and to handle what you find when you when you're exploring, then it's, you know, you're not there." }, { "end_time": "8:41", "start_time": "8:33", "text": "So all special forces across the world, the people who who are there, who are going through those experience who have chosen those experiences." }, { "end_time": "8:43", "start_time": "8:41", "text": "We choose what we experience constantly." }, { "end_time": "8:48", "start_time": "8:44", "text": "So we are, we are the same." }, { "end_time": "8:48", "start_time": "8:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:56", "start_time": "8:48", "text": "It's the same exploratory spirit, explorate exploratory spirit, which is transferred into your brain and generates thoughts, and you act like that on the ground." }, { "end_time": "9:02", "start_time": "8:56", "text": "And in some way, you have you have let go so you can explore." }, { "end_time": "9:07", "start_time": "9:02", "text": "That's a special forces mindset, and that is shared by all special forces across the globe." }, { "end_time": "9:08", "start_time": "9:08", "text": "It's like that." }, { "end_time": "9:09", "start_time": "9:08", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "9:19", "start_time": "9:09", "text": "And, in some previous podcast also, I had mentioned, like, if you you send me naked on a mountain, like, you know, like that that when I say me, I'm talking about the special forces spirit." }, { "end_time": "9:20", "start_time": "9:19", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "9:24", "start_time": "9:20", "text": "You send me naked in a mountain and you leave me there, I'll get back." }, { "end_time": "9:29", "start_time": "9:25", "text": "And I'll go and do what needs to be done because I've chosen that experience." }, { "end_time": "9:38", "start_time": "9:29", "text": "So that's where the spirit comes from, where, you are not satisfied with, what is there." }, { "end_time": "9:39", "start_time": "9:38", "text": "You want to know more." }, { "end_time": "9:40", "start_time": "9:39", "text": "You want to explore more." }, { "end_time": "9:47", "start_time": "9:40", "text": "And in the quest of that exploration, special forces is extreme because you're constantly placing your life on the line." }, { "end_time": "10:01", "start_time": "9:48", "text": "So when you're placing your life on the line, you're going to circumstances and situations where you're placing the life your own life on the line and your life connected with all the attachments you've got with the rest of what is behind you, your children, your mother, father, brother, sister, love of your life, etcetera, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "10:02", "start_time": "10:02", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "10:11", "start_time": "10:03", "text": "When you're you're able to put all of that there and then and then, you know, stand on the cutting edges of life and death, you will find." }, { "end_time": "10:13", "start_time": "10:11", "text": "And that's a constant process." }, { "end_time": "10:14", "start_time": "10:13", "text": "Constantly going through that." }, { "end_time": "10:16", "start_time": "10:14", "text": "Constantly going through that." }, { "end_time": "10:19", "start_time": "10:16", "text": "So that's basically exploration." }, { "end_time": "10:20", "start_time": "10:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:26", "start_time": "10:20", "text": "Again, like, I know that, you know, an army man wouldn't like me saying that, but, again, this is just for the ahamjantha." }, { "end_time": "10:43", "start_time": "10:26", "text": "This is the closest that real life gets to a Rambo or a highest wing of the military where, special forces are sent in functionally speaking when there is a, say, a difficult job to be done or a very important job to be done, would the Indian army send in special forces?" }, { "end_time": "10:52", "start_time": "10:43", "text": "So it's not that that there's any job which is difficult or which is easy or whatever, and then special forces are sent to do the impossible and things like that." }, { "end_time": "10:54", "start_time": "10:52", "text": "It's just a matter of efficiency." }, { "end_time": "10:55", "start_time": "10:54", "text": "That is all." }, { "end_time": "10:56", "start_time": "10:55", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "10:56", "start_time": "10:56", "text": "Efficiency." }, { "end_time": "11:20", "start_time": "10:57", "text": "So there are certain kind of tasks, certain kind of roles in national security, within and without the national boundaries of your particular nation, whichever you may be from, where the powers that be, let's say, the government or the armed forces, were operating in various theaters, they they decide that, okay, this needs to be done, and it needs to be done in this manner." }, { "end_time": "11:27", "start_time": "11:20", "text": "And they've got a variety of, you know, surgical instruments or, you know, hammers, if you want to call them or whatever." }, { "end_time": "11:35", "start_time": "11:27", "text": "So if they choose that, okay, this job requires to be done in this way, this requires the artillery to come in." }, { "end_time": "11:36", "start_time": "11:35", "text": "This requires the armored corps to come in." }, { "end_time": "11:38", "start_time": "11:36", "text": "This requires the infantry to come in." }, { "end_time": "11:40", "start_time": "11:38", "text": "This requires the missile regiments to come in." }, { "end_time": "11:41", "start_time": "11:40", "text": "This requires the air force to do it." }, { "end_time": "11:43", "start_time": "11:41", "text": "This requires the special forces to do it." }, { "end_time": "11:44", "start_time": "11:43", "text": "It's like that." }, { "end_time": "11:46", "start_time": "11:44", "text": "So everyone is specializing in their job." }, { "end_time": "11:51", "start_time": "11:46", "text": "We are just specializing in what we have been, like, collected to do Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:54", "start_time": "11:51", "text": "And organized, collected, inspired, and shot out to do." }, { "end_time": "11:55", "start_time": "11:54", "text": "That's it." }, { "end_time": "11:55", "start_time": "11:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:59", "start_time": "11:56", "text": "So I've, again, hung around you guys for the last 2, 3 days." }, { "end_time": "12:01", "start_time": "11:59", "text": "I've seen the way you're talk even at claw." }, { "end_time": "12:03", "start_time": "12:01", "text": "And, of course, we're gonna come to claw." }, { "end_time": "12:03", "start_time": "12:03", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "12:04", "start_time": "12:03", "text": "You have not seen it." }, { "end_time": "12:06", "start_time": "12:05", "text": "I mean, I've seen a bit of it." }, { "end_time": "12:11", "start_time": "12:06", "text": "I've I've had, like, some glimpses, and I've had deep conversations with Major Arun as well." }, { "end_time": "12:17", "start_time": "12:12", "text": "One thing I've noticed is that you all focus a lot on teamwork, which is the obvious thing." }, { "end_time": "12:22", "start_time": "12:17", "text": "I'm I'm sure that's the obvious skill that gets polished through the course of going through the army." }, { "end_time": "12:25", "start_time": "12:23", "text": "The other thing I'd really, again, highlight is efficiency." }, { "end_time": "12:30", "start_time": "12:25", "text": "You guys constantly ask questions about processes and ask yourself how things can be improved." }, { "end_time": "12:32", "start_time": "12:30", "text": "So that's one thing I've noticed." }, { "end_time": "12:36", "start_time": "12:32", "text": "Secondly, sir, I gotta bring this conversation to you on a very individual level." }, { "end_time": "12:40", "start_time": "12:37", "text": "The podcast and, you know, we've had deep conversations about meditation." }, { "end_time": "12:47", "start_time": "12:40", "text": "It allows the meditator or the podcaster to psychoanalyze fairly well." }, { "end_time": "12:50", "start_time": "12:48", "text": "And I know that you guys psychoanalyze people well as well." }, { "end_time": "12:52", "start_time": "12:50", "text": "That's a part of your job job profile." }, { "end_time": "12:56", "start_time": "12:52", "text": "But when I psychoanalyze you, so I feel like there's been 3 versions of you." }, { "end_time": "13:01", "start_time": "12:57", "text": "One's the guy before, you know, the army started when you were studying for it." }, { "end_time": "13:09", "start_time": "13:02", "text": "The second is the guy who finished his term with the special forces and who took that call about, okay, now I wanna change things up." }, { "end_time": "13:12", "start_time": "13:09", "text": "Now let's take another roller coaster." }, { "end_time": "13:14", "start_time": "13:12", "text": "Let's jump from this one to another one." }, { "end_time": "13:17", "start_time": "13:14", "text": "And the third one would be the guy you are right now, who's still evolving." }, { "end_time": "13:20", "start_time": "13:17", "text": "And there's probably gonna be a 4th, 5th, 6th one." }, { "end_time": "13:33", "start_time": "13:21", "text": "Might be an entrepreneur, might be someone who runs a personal brand, might be an online persona, might be just a purpose driven person, might be a spiritual person towards the end, whatever you are right now." }, { "end_time": "13:35", "start_time": "13:33", "text": "But I've seen these 3 distinct versions of you." }, { "end_time": "13:43", "start_time": "13:35", "text": "And often when I speak to podcast guests, I can see a certain level of their life, especially when they open up this much on the show." }, { "end_time": "13:52", "start_time": "13:44", "text": "A part of you, sir, I just feel like you've seen so many layers of things that it will take 10 podcasts to unlock everything you've seen." }, { "end_time": "13:57", "start_time": "13:52", "text": "So I'd actually love for you to highlight that journey, especially I know there's gonna be more mindsets." }, { "end_time": "14:05", "start_time": "13:58", "text": "But would you agree with me when I say that till this point you've had 3 or max 4 different kinds of mindsets in your own life?" }, { "end_time": "14:07", "start_time": "14:05", "text": "You had that self evolution thrice of all that." }, { "end_time": "14:09", "start_time": "14:07", "text": "So it's what I have understood again." }, { "end_time": "14:11", "start_time": "14:09", "text": "Whatever I say is my perception." }, { "end_time": "14:15", "start_time": "14:11", "text": "I am as imperfect as everyone else and as perfect as everyone else." }, { "end_time": "14:22", "start_time": "14:15", "text": "So it's my perception of from my experiences and my understanding and maybe my past lives and something like that exists or whatever." }, { "end_time": "14:30", "start_time": "14:22", "text": "So the thing is that what I what I understood is that there are three levels of consciousness at a baseline." }, { "end_time": "14:36", "start_time": "14:31", "text": "That is a follower, a leader, and an explorer." }, { "end_time": "14:43", "start_time": "14:38", "text": "So you can very easily classify people into, like, into these 3 categories." }, { "end_time": "14:55", "start_time": "14:44", "text": "People who follow, who like like to follow something that makes sense to them, people who like to lead people because that makes sense to them, and then there are people who don't care about who's following or who's leading." }, { "end_time": "14:56", "start_time": "14:55", "text": "They're on their own trip." }, { "end_time": "14:57", "start_time": "14:56", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "15:04", "start_time": "14:57", "text": "They're explore it exploring or exploring what it means to be themselves, to be alive, and to have a choice." }, { "end_time": "15:05", "start_time": "15:04", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "15:14", "start_time": "15:05", "text": "So all human beings at various stages in their life are are existing in all these three spheres of following, leading, and exploring." }, { "end_time": "15:16", "start_time": "15:14", "text": "Like, even, for example, me." }, { "end_time": "15:21", "start_time": "15:16", "text": "Every day, I'm following someone, I'm leading someone, and I'm on my own trip as well." }, { "end_time": "15:22", "start_time": "15:21", "text": "I'm exploring." }, { "end_time": "15:25", "start_time": "15:23", "text": "So so it's like that." }, { "end_time": "15:35", "start_time": "15:25", "text": "So you shift consciousnesses, you know, or you you you shift in the level of your perception of what is going around you outside and what is going around inside of you at various stages." }, { "end_time": "15:38", "start_time": "15:35", "text": "Depending on where you are, you will be functioning as such." }, { "end_time": "15:43", "start_time": "15:40", "text": "So, yeah, there will be shifts and all that." }, { "end_time": "15:45", "start_time": "15:43", "text": "All these shifts are there, but actually what is there?" }, { "end_time": "15:47", "start_time": "15:45", "text": "There is there is only pure consciousness." }, { "end_time": "15:49", "start_time": "15:47", "text": "Actually, that is only there." }, { "end_time": "15:50", "start_time": "15:49", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "15:55", "start_time": "15:50", "text": "So it's that pure consciousness which is which is trying to find out itself." }, { "end_time": "15:56", "start_time": "15:56", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "16:00", "start_time": "15:56", "text": "Trying to understand itself, realize itself so it can be free." }, { "end_time": "16:00", "start_time": "16:00", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "16:01", "start_time": "16:00", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "16:08", "start_time": "16:01", "text": "And reach a level of vibration where it is in bliss forever, if you wanna, you know, call it like that." }, { "end_time": "16:09", "start_time": "16:08", "text": "So yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:26", "start_time": "16:09", "text": "So if I look at myself, if I look back at my life and I see my consciousness level or my awareness levels and what drove me towards certain actions, certain choices in life, And now where I am, where I was 10 years from now, 5 years from now, and where I'm going to be tomorrow as well." }, { "end_time": "16:33", "start_time": "16:26", "text": "There there are these shifting consciousnesses or awareness levels, etcetera, but there is one single thing which is constant throughout." }, { "end_time": "16:38", "start_time": "16:34", "text": "And that is a spirit to be free." }, { "end_time": "16:42", "start_time": "16:39", "text": "A spirit to be free act yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:43", "start_time": "16:42", "text": "If you just wanna crunch it." }, { "end_time": "16:45", "start_time": "16:43", "text": "A spirit to be free." }, { "end_time": "16:51", "start_time": "16:46", "text": "Now that spirit to be free manifests itself in our life in these three levels." }, { "end_time": "16:54", "start_time": "16:52", "text": "Sometimes you're following to learn something." }, { "end_time": "17:07", "start_time": "16:54", "text": "You know, you'll meet some guru or you'll meet some you know, you'll have a commanding officer in the army or somebody you look up to, and you'll follow him by choice or by because of circumstances or whatever, and then there is you'll be placed in a leadership role." }, { "end_time": "17:10", "start_time": "17:07", "text": "Everybody is in a leadership role in some way or the other." }, { "end_time": "17:15", "start_time": "17:11", "text": "And then and you then you are at an exploratory stage also constantly." }, { "end_time": "17:26", "start_time": "17:16", "text": "Now where your consciousness is operating at that point of time, whether it is at an, at a lee at a follower stage or a leader stage or at an exploratory stage at that particular moment is where you are where you are." }, { "end_time": "17:31", "start_time": "17:26", "text": "And then there is a general overall perception of a human being of his own life." }, { "end_time": "17:34", "start_time": "17:32", "text": "And in my case, that's like a rocket, you know." }, { "end_time": "17:36", "start_time": "17:34", "text": "I just wanna fly off." }, { "end_time": "17:37", "start_time": "17:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:37", "start_time": "17:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:37", "start_time": "17:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:41", "start_time": "17:38", "text": "Just reach what we already are." }, { "end_time": "17:44", "start_time": "17:41", "text": "It's it's just that journey of raising your awareness levels." }, { "end_time": "17:44", "start_time": "17:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:45", "start_time": "17:44", "text": "That's it." }, { "end_time": "17:54", "start_time": "17:45", "text": "So Devang from the claw team, me and him were having a deep conversation yesterday about how you guys have your own trajectory when you join the special forces." }, { "end_time": "17:57", "start_time": "17:54", "text": "And I've had these same conversations with Major Arun as well." }, { "end_time": "17:59", "start_time": "17:57", "text": "Just very different mentality with you guys." }, { "end_time": "18:06", "start_time": "17:59", "text": "And from the outside looking in, I believe it's because of 2 things in particular." }, { "end_time": "18:09", "start_time": "18:07", "text": "1 is the training and the mentality you developed during the training." }, { "end_time": "18:13", "start_time": "18:10", "text": "You explained this to me, and I'd love for you to cover that aspect on the podcast." }, { "end_time": "18:15", "start_time": "18:14", "text": "And the second thing is actual combat." }, { "end_time": "18:17", "start_time": "18:15", "text": "Practicals, if you may." }, { "end_time": "18:19", "start_time": "18:17", "text": "Theory and your practicals of what you've studied." }, { "end_time": "18:22", "start_time": "18:19", "text": "I feel that that really changes you as a human being." }, { "end_time": "18:24", "start_time": "18:22", "text": "So first, so would you agree when I say that?" }, { "end_time": "18:24", "start_time": "18:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:25", "start_time": "18:24", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "18:25", "start_time": "18:25", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "18:29", "start_time": "18:26", "text": "Your experiences unlock your own potential of what you are." }, { "end_time": "18:30", "start_time": "18:29", "text": "That's it." }, { "end_time": "18:34", "start_time": "18:30", "text": "Could could you highlight these two phases of your life and what you gained again as a man?" }, { "end_time": "18:37", "start_time": "18:34", "text": "Like, you know, because I feel every human being has that process." }, { "end_time": "18:40", "start_time": "18:37", "text": "We are going from being a child to becoming an adult and it happens repeatedly." }, { "end_time": "18:49", "start_time": "18:41", "text": "But specifically when we're talking about the Indian special forces, I feel like these are the 2 big changes, your training and actually going through combat." }, { "end_time": "18:50", "start_time": "18:49", "text": "I'd love to know that." }, { "end_time": "19:01", "start_time": "18:53", "text": "So special forces, is a state of mind, like I said." }, { "end_time": "19:01", "start_time": "19:01", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "19:03", "start_time": "19:01", "text": "It's a state of consciousness level." }, { "end_time": "19:16", "start_time": "19:03", "text": "It's a state of being exploratory in nature and willing to put in all that you have to be able to see more, to explore more at even the cost of your own life and your cost of the attachments that you have." }, { "end_time": "19:16", "start_time": "19:16", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "19:27", "start_time": "19:18", "text": "So in the special forces or I'll speak about myself, I would look even I would look for all these probationers who would come." }, { "end_time": "19:28", "start_time": "19:27", "text": "I would look for that spirit." }, { "end_time": "19:31", "start_time": "19:29", "text": "Now if that guy had that spirit, it's very easy to spot it." }, { "end_time": "19:33", "start_time": "19:31", "text": "You know, tucked, you can pick it up." }, { "end_time": "19:33", "start_time": "19:33", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "19:37", "start_time": "19:33", "text": "So when you spot it, then it's just a matter of letting it happen." }, { "end_time": "19:57", "start_time": "19:38", "text": "The selection process of special forces is so intense that, you know, all your all your paraphernalia of your ego and and and your perceptions of yourself and all those things that dissolve in the amount of energy which is expended or you are exposed to." }, { "end_time": "20:02", "start_time": "19:57", "text": "It just shatters all that is around you And very quickly, you are brought out from there and then looked at." }, { "end_time": "20:05", "start_time": "20:02", "text": "So you mean, like, energy, like, physical, mental, emotional, all kinds?" }, { "end_time": "20:05", "start_time": "20:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:05", "start_time": "20:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:07", "start_time": "20:05", "text": "Full spectrum of energy." }, { "end_time": "20:32", "start_time": "20:07", "text": "Your circumstances around you, the world that you're experiencing, be it what your body is experiencing, what your what your eyes are seeing, basically, what your mind is experiencing in those set of circumstances, which are created time tested set set of circumstances, which are created to break you and then see what is there and expose it, bring it out, and have a clear look at it and straightaway make a judgment that do I want to walk with this man in combat or not?" }, { "end_time": "20:35", "start_time": "20:32", "text": "If I'm going exploring, would I want this guy by my side or not?" }, { "end_time": "20:41", "start_time": "20:35", "text": "Can I trust this man to be able to do what needs to be done?" }, { "end_time": "20:42", "start_time": "20:41", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "20:49", "start_time": "20:42", "text": "So, so the first filtration process starts from the volunteering phase itself." }, { "end_time": "20:58", "start_time": "20:49", "text": "And, so people it takes a lot to volunteer for the special force, especially when you've been in the academy, you've been in NDA for 3, 3 and a half years, whatever." }, { "end_time": "20:59", "start_time": "20:58", "text": "Like me, 3 and a half years, I could really hit it." }, { "end_time": "21:01", "start_time": "20:59", "text": "I had a broken leg, blah blah blah." }, { "end_time": "21:04", "start_time": "21:01", "text": "So 3 years in the NDA and then 1 year in the IMA." }, { "end_time": "21:12", "start_time": "21:05", "text": "And then after all of this intense amount of that you get and you still choose for more." }, { "end_time": "21:13", "start_time": "21:12", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "21:16", "start_time": "21:13", "text": "So it takes balls to fill in your volunteer form." }, { "end_time": "21:22", "start_time": "21:16", "text": "So when people volunteer, that's the first level of clearance that they've already crossed." }, { "end_time": "21:23", "start_time": "21:22", "text": "And they volunteer for special forces." }, { "end_time": "21:27", "start_time": "21:23", "text": "When they take the decision to put their pen on that paper and sign it Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:28", "start_time": "21:27", "text": "I wanna go one level high or no." }, { "end_time": "21:28", "start_time": "21:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:29", "start_time": "21:28", "text": "I wanna see more." }, { "end_time": "21:30", "start_time": "21:29", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "21:30", "start_time": "21:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:32", "start_time": "21:31", "text": "So that's the volunteer of this thing." }, { "end_time": "21:34", "start_time": "21:32", "text": "And then you have to be at a certain level." }, { "end_time": "21:36", "start_time": "21:34", "text": "Like, there are merit lists and all that." }, { "end_time": "21:39", "start_time": "21:36", "text": "Lot lot of people now apply for the special forces and all that." }, { "end_time": "21:42", "start_time": "21:39", "text": "In our time, it wasn't so many, but in my batch, like, it was an explosion." }, { "end_time": "21:46", "start_time": "21:42", "text": "Normally, there are 5, 6 guys out of a course of 3 100, 350 who are applying for special forces." }, { "end_time": "21:48", "start_time": "21:46", "text": "In my time, there was 33, 34 people who applied." }, { "end_time": "21:53", "start_time": "21:49", "text": "So because our instructors who were there from the special forces was so inspiring." }, { "end_time": "22:06", "start_time": "21:54", "text": "So when you volunteer, you come into the you come into the you know, if you fit in the bracket of various things that are required, you are you are picked up and you're allowed to come to a special forces unit." }, { "end_time": "22:14", "start_time": "22:06", "text": "And in that special forces unit, when you come in from the from the moment you land up at that gate, from there onwards, your life shifts." }, { "end_time": "22:17", "start_time": "22:15", "text": "Everything is stripped off you." }, { "end_time": "22:17", "start_time": "22:17", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "22:18", "start_time": "22:18", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "22:23", "start_time": "22:18", "text": "From your ego to your clothes to your whatever it is there." }, { "end_time": "22:26", "start_time": "22:23", "text": "You are brought into the moment, and that moment is crushing in nature." }, { "end_time": "22:26", "start_time": "22:26", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "22:27", "start_time": "22:26", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "22:29", "start_time": "22:27", "text": "Are are you allowed to expand on that a little?" }, { "end_time": "22:29", "start_time": "22:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:29", "start_time": "22:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:31", "start_time": "22:29", "text": "Like like, what what happens?" }, { "end_time": "22:32", "start_time": "22:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:37", "start_time": "22:32", "text": "So I'll complete what I'm saying and then take you down the various alleys, you know." }, { "end_time": "22:40", "start_time": "22:37", "text": "So you're so you're you're basically, you volunteer." }, { "end_time": "22:42", "start_time": "22:40", "text": "That's a level of clearance itself." }, { "end_time": "22:48", "start_time": "22:42", "text": "It takes a lot for a person to be able to sign that form because he knows if he fails, you know, there's so many things to lose." }, { "end_time": "22:52", "start_time": "22:49", "text": "Some so many people know that you're volunteering for the special forces and all that." }, { "end_time": "22:53", "start_time": "22:52", "text": "You don't make it." }, { "end_time": "23:00", "start_time": "22:53", "text": "There's so much of disappointment within, and then if you have an ego, you'll have you'll feel less because other people will judge you and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "23:03", "start_time": "23:00", "text": "There's a lot to lose if you really think about it." }, { "end_time": "23:07", "start_time": "23:03", "text": "But then people who are able to and there is never any surety that you will make it." }, { "end_time": "23:09", "start_time": "23:07", "text": "There is never any surety." }, { "end_time": "23:13", "start_time": "23:09", "text": "Only those people are sure who don't even think about it." }, { "end_time": "23:14", "start_time": "23:13", "text": "They just land up there." }, { "end_time": "23:15", "start_time": "23:14", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "23:28", "start_time": "23:15", "text": "The rest of the people who start judging whether I will get selected, not get selected, what will happen, this will happen, that will happen, they go through a lot of inner turmoil, and they have to deal with that besides dealing with what, you know, shit is being thrown at a volunteer." }, { "end_time": "23:44", "start_time": "23:29", "text": "So then when you reach the gate and then certain you come into an environment, that environment is built to screw you, is built to teach you, break you, and teach you new things." }, { "end_time": "23:47", "start_time": "23:45", "text": "But the spirit is the same." }, { "end_time": "23:51", "start_time": "23:47", "text": "So you it's you're already there." }, { "end_time": "23:52", "start_time": "23:51", "text": "You're just being taught." }, { "end_time": "23:53", "start_time": "23:53", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "23:56", "start_time": "23:53", "text": "So, you go through that process." }, { "end_time": "24:05", "start_time": "23:56", "text": "It's a 3 month process, and, I was very fortunate to go through 6 months of that process because of various reasons." }, { "end_time": "24:18", "start_time": "24:05", "text": "And then when you go through that entire process, you learn a lot, not only about special forces skill sets and things like that, but also you learn you come to realize about yourself a lot." }, { "end_time": "24:31", "start_time": "24:18", "text": "What your body is capable of, what your mind is capable of, what your heart is capable of, and what is there beyond when you give up, when you when you just let it all go and you're hanging by that thread of choice because it's a choice you made." }, { "end_time": "24:43", "start_time": "24:31", "text": "So you're hanging by the thread of choice constantly there constantly there, and when you've when that choice is so strong and you remain there, that's what we are looking for." }, { "end_time": "24:50", "start_time": "24:44", "text": "Self, an ability to make a choice for yourself and stick by it." }, { "end_time": "24:55", "start_time": "24:51", "text": "So that's what filters out in combat, you know, that's what we want in combat." }, { "end_time": "25:02", "start_time": "24:55", "text": "So when when combat is happening, when bullets are flying, bombs are exploding, people are freaking dying, killing each other." }, { "end_time": "25:03", "start_time": "25:02", "text": "All that shit is happening." }, { "end_time": "25:04", "start_time": "25:03", "text": "Intense amount of chaos." }, { "end_time": "25:05", "start_time": "25:04", "text": "It's chaos." }, { "end_time": "25:07", "start_time": "25:05", "text": "The whole universe is gone." }, { "end_time": "25:08", "start_time": "25:07", "text": "It's just life." }, { "end_time": "25:09", "start_time": "25:08", "text": "You're there." }, { "end_time": "25:10", "start_time": "25:09", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "25:16", "start_time": "25:10", "text": "So it's at that time, there is this immense amount of clarity or there will be an immense amount of confusion." }, { "end_time": "25:25", "start_time": "25:18", "text": "So that difference between immense amount of clarity and immense amount of confusion is based on how much of an ability to make a choice you have got." }, { "end_time": "25:36", "start_time": "25:26", "text": "So that we are able to determine during the probation process itself, during the selection process itself, we are able to determine that is this guy going to stick or is he go is he gonna run?" }, { "end_time": "25:38", "start_time": "25:37", "text": "We don't judge it." }, { "end_time": "25:39", "start_time": "25:38", "text": "It's okay to run or whatever." }, { "end_time": "25:44", "start_time": "25:39", "text": "It's natural, but that's not what's gonna work in combat, man." }, { "end_time": "25:47", "start_time": "25:44", "text": "You know, if you run, you're weakening the the team itself." }, { "end_time": "25:50", "start_time": "25:47", "text": "So the team has to stand, line up, and fucking get into it." }, { "end_time": "25:51", "start_time": "25:50", "text": "So it has to be like that." }, { "end_time": "25:54", "start_time": "25:51", "text": "You have to go in rather than get out." }, { "end_time": "26:01", "start_time": "25:54", "text": "You have to go and penetrate, reach, tear it open, and open it up and make it your own." }, { "end_time": "26:03", "start_time": "26:01", "text": "You make that space your own." }, { "end_time": "26:10", "start_time": "26:03", "text": "So so there are certain kind of people who are at that consciousness level where they understand that the choice is theirs, those are the kind of people we look for." }, { "end_time": "26:11", "start_time": "26:11", "text": "Yes, sir." }, { "end_time": "26:17", "start_time": "26:11", "text": "And the entire selection process is to be able to see, whether that guy is like that or not." }, { "end_time": "26:20", "start_time": "26:17", "text": "So people are are are already like that." }, { "end_time": "26:22", "start_time": "26:20", "text": "So we choose from those people." }, { "end_time": "26:31", "start_time": "26:22", "text": "And the circumstances are such that all those people who are not already at the stage of making their own choices and sticking by them, the rest of them just get out from there." }, { "end_time": "26:32", "start_time": "26:31", "text": "They get out very, very quickly." }, { "end_time": "26:36", "start_time": "26:32", "text": "There are some who are more and more and more, so we we that's why it is a long process." }, { "end_time": "26:40", "start_time": "26:37", "text": "People have different levels of being able to make a choice." }, { "end_time": "26:47", "start_time": "26:40", "text": "We want the guys who can make the ultimate choice because they made it, and they can stick by it even if, you know, Yamraj comes and stands in front of you." }, { "end_time": "26:49", "start_time": "26:47", "text": "You'll tell a fucking put a bullet in you, man." }, { "end_time": "26:50", "start_time": "26:49", "text": "Get the fuck out of my way." }, { "end_time": "26:51", "start_time": "26:50", "text": "It's like that." }, { "end_time": "26:52", "start_time": "26:51", "text": "Yes, sir." }, { "end_time": "26:56", "start_time": "26:53", "text": "Could you highlight the circumstances that actually caused the segregation?" }, { "end_time": "26:59", "start_time": "26:56", "text": "Like, what does the training school put you through?" }, { "end_time": "27:00", "start_time": "26:59", "text": "Like, just a few if you may." }, { "end_time": "27:02", "start_time": "27:01", "text": "So it's a dual process." }, { "end_time": "27:06", "start_time": "27:03", "text": "So special forces stand for efficiency." }, { "end_time": "27:12", "start_time": "27:06", "text": "It's the highest form of efficiency that a human being can achieve in this reality." }, { "end_time": "27:17", "start_time": "27:13", "text": "Above this, maybe it is the yogis or whatever." }, { "end_time": "27:18", "start_time": "27:17", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "27:27", "start_time": "27:18", "text": "When you come into this environment, you are put into a dual process of being broken down, shattered, torn apart." }, { "end_time": "27:28", "start_time": "27:27", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "27:30", "start_time": "27:28", "text": "And being trained as well." }, { "end_time": "27:36", "start_time": "27:30", "text": "It has to be efficient because time So we need guys." }, { "end_time": "27:37", "start_time": "27:36", "text": "Come come come come come like that." }, { "end_time": "27:39", "start_time": "27:37", "text": "Or you, we fucking get out from here." }, { "end_time": "27:39", "start_time": "27:39", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "27:40", "start_time": "27:39", "text": "It's like that, tuck, tuck." }, { "end_time": "27:41", "start_time": "27:40", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "27:47", "start_time": "27:41", "text": "So you, so you are being trained and you are being broken down as well at the same time." }, { "end_time": "27:55", "start_time": "27:47", "text": "So in this process of being trained and broken down at the same time, you are, you're taught certain skill sets." }, { "end_time": "27:55", "start_time": "27:55", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "28:00", "start_time": "27:55", "text": "You're you're you're taught certain skill sets that you need to be able to execute in combat." }, { "end_time": "28:03", "start_time": "28:01", "text": "For example, there may be explosive training." }, { "end_time": "28:04", "start_time": "28:03", "text": "There will be unarmed combat training." }, { "end_time": "28:06", "start_time": "28:04", "text": "There may be weapon training." }, { "end_time": "28:07", "start_time": "28:06", "text": "There may be endurance training." }, { "end_time": "28:09", "start_time": "28:07", "text": "There may be navigation training." }, { "end_time": "28:10", "start_time": "28:09", "text": "There are a lot of things." }, { "end_time": "28:14", "start_time": "28:10", "text": "Emergency medical first response training, you know, survival training, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "28:17", "start_time": "28:14", "text": "You're being trained, and you are being trained while being broken." }, { "end_time": "28:18", "start_time": "28:17", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "28:18", "start_time": "28:18", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:24", "start_time": "28:18", "text": "So for example, when your, you know, day starts, if you're lucky, your day starts around 4, 4:30." }, { "end_time": "28:27", "start_time": "28:24", "text": "Otherwise, if you're unlucky, your day started yesterday." }, { "end_time": "28:28", "start_time": "28:27", "text": "You have not slept." }, { "end_time": "28:28", "start_time": "28:28", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "28:31", "start_time": "28:28", "text": "And that could be, like like, couple of days in a stretch." }, { "end_time": "28:40", "start_time": "28:33", "text": "So for example, I'll tell you, I had a very I have a bad memory, you know?" }, { "end_time": "28:42", "start_time": "28:41", "text": "Maybe that's why I'm so happy." }, { "end_time": "28:47", "start_time": "28:44", "text": "So so I have a bad memory and all that, and I was always, like, poor in GK, you know?" }, { "end_time": "28:56", "start_time": "28:47", "text": "Like, I I have no in I had no interest, like, things like that, in who is president and who is who who is what." }, { "end_time": "29:00", "start_time": "28:56", "text": "It's not my purview of things that are affecting me." }, { "end_time": "29:00", "start_time": "29:00", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "29:10", "start_time": "29:00", "text": "And, when I came in, so the whole day till 7:30 in the evening, you are being taught and you're being screwed." }, { "end_time": "29:10", "start_time": "29:10", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "29:11", "start_time": "29:10", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "29:16", "start_time": "29:11", "text": "You are being very screwed to an inch of your body choice, right, constantly." }, { "end_time": "29:19", "start_time": "29:16", "text": "And if it's over, it's over." }, { "end_time": "29:21", "start_time": "29:19", "text": "Like, people just get up and sign and get out." }, { "end_time": "29:23", "start_time": "29:21", "text": "It's it finishes off that quickly." }, { "end_time": "29:27", "start_time": "29:24", "text": "There's no maybe, you know, one more chance or something like that." }, { "end_time": "29:38", "start_time": "29:27", "text": "So when you are, so, you know, the whole day going through that whole thing, and 7:30 in the evening, that you're broken off that, okay." }, { "end_time": "29:42", "start_time": "29:38", "text": "Go have your dinner or whatever it is, and then the, you know, people go and prepare and all that." }, { "end_time": "29:44", "start_time": "29:42", "text": "So you're basically doing probation with the soldiers." }, { "end_time": "29:48", "start_time": "29:45", "text": "So officers, soldiers, whatever, everyone is together." }, { "end_time": "29:49", "start_time": "29:48", "text": "You live together." }, { "end_time": "29:49", "start_time": "29:49", "text": "You eat together." }, { "end_time": "29:50", "start_time": "29:49", "text": "You train together." }, { "end_time": "29:52", "start_time": "29:51", "text": "Everything is happening together." }, { "end_time": "30:11", "start_time": "29:52", "text": "So you go through the entire set of experiences to 7:30 in the evening or 8 o'clock or whenever it is on that particular day, and you're broken off, generally broken off to go and prepare for the next day, eat your dinner, you know, make your diet and you're, you know, making stuff that can go in and give you energy and recover what you have lost and prepare you for the next day." }, { "end_time": "30:17", "start_time": "30:13", "text": "So 7:30, they would be broken off, and I was the only officer doing probation there." }, { "end_time": "30:17", "start_time": "30:17", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "30:19", "start_time": "30:17", "text": "So I would have to go to the officer's mess." }, { "end_time": "30:22", "start_time": "30:20", "text": "It's the officer's mess where the real probation would start." }, { "end_time": "30:31", "start_time": "30:23", "text": "So all the all the bachelors of my particular unit would be there for dinner, and it was compulsory for me to go there and have dinner." }, { "end_time": "30:43", "start_time": "30:32", "text": "And, I would, I would reach there half an hour early, and I would be told, you know, I I had to learn everything which is there in the mess over over decades." }, { "end_time": "30:50", "start_time": "30:45", "text": "There are so many trophies and there are so many, you know, memorabilia and so many things which are there." }, { "end_time": "30:53", "start_time": "30:50", "text": "You have to learn each and every damn thing." }, { "end_time": "30:54", "start_time": "30:53", "text": "Who gave it?" }, { "end_time": "30:55", "start_time": "30:54", "text": "When did he gave it?" }, { "end_time": "30:57", "start_time": "30:55", "text": "Why did he give it?" }, { "end_time": "30:59", "start_time": "30:57", "text": "You know, what is the significance of it, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "31:01", "start_time": "30:59", "text": "Each and every there are hundreds of pieces lying around there." }, { "end_time": "31:02", "start_time": "31:01", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "31:04", "start_time": "31:02", "text": "And then there are these people who have died in combat." }, { "end_time": "31:05", "start_time": "31:05", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "31:11", "start_time": "31:05", "text": "Like Sudhir Walia, Arun Singh, and all the various legends of our battalion who died in combat." }, { "end_time": "31:11", "start_time": "31:11", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "31:15", "start_time": "31:12", "text": "So their their stories are there in the officers' message." }, { "end_time": "31:16", "start_time": "31:15", "text": "See it sometime." }, { "end_time": "31:20", "start_time": "31:16", "text": "And then you you have to learn why who was he?" }, { "end_time": "31:23", "start_time": "31:20", "text": "When did he, you know, get shot up?" }, { "end_time": "31:25", "start_time": "31:23", "text": "You know, how did he die?" }, { "end_time": "31:28", "start_time": "31:25", "text": "And, you know, what was he awarded for and things like that." }, { "end_time": "31:32", "start_time": "31:28", "text": "So all of that, you have to memorize, memorize, memorize, and learn and learn and learn." }, { "end_time": "31:37", "start_time": "31:32", "text": "And then by the time everybody comes for dinner and then you sit, and then the question answers start." }, { "end_time": "31:37", "start_time": "31:37", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "31:38", "start_time": "31:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:39", "start_time": "31:38", "text": "So they'll start asking you." }, { "end_time": "31:40", "start_time": "31:40", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "31:42", "start_time": "31:40", "text": "And it can start from anything." }, { "end_time": "31:45", "start_time": "31:42", "text": "It can start from, like, you you like, what used to happen to me." }, { "end_time": "31:47", "start_time": "31:45", "text": "It's like, I would start putting, like, you're hungry." }, { "end_time": "31:48", "start_time": "31:47", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "31:52", "start_time": "31:48", "text": "All day, it's been torn out of you, and you want you need that bloody food going into your body." }, { "end_time": "31:58", "start_time": "31:52", "text": "So then the first spoon is going into your mouth and, you know, somebody will just say, Jacob, what is the moon phase today?" }, { "end_time": "31:59", "start_time": "31:58", "text": "And there." }, { "end_time": "32:01", "start_time": "32:01", "text": "Sorted." }, { "end_time": "32:10", "start_time": "32:02", "text": "So, you know, they'll start asking you questions to check your level of awareness and so many other things in which I used to fail all the time." }, { "end_time": "32:13", "start_time": "32:11", "text": "I didn't know fucking jack shit." }, { "end_time": "32:14", "start_time": "32:13", "text": "What is the moon phase?" }, { "end_time": "32:15", "start_time": "32:14", "text": "Who is the president?" }, { "end_time": "32:17", "start_time": "32:15", "text": "Who is nothing I knew." }, { "end_time": "32:17", "start_time": "32:17", "text": "Nothing." }, { "end_time": "32:19", "start_time": "32:19", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "32:22", "start_time": "32:20", "text": "And If you if you answer wrong, what happens?" }, { "end_time": "32:24", "start_time": "32:23", "text": "You're lying." }, { "end_time": "32:28", "start_time": "32:26", "text": "Either you know or you don't know." }, { "end_time": "32:29", "start_time": "32:28", "text": "That's it." }, { "end_time": "32:31", "start_time": "32:29", "text": "So if you don't know and you say you don't know?" }, { "end_time": "32:31", "start_time": "32:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:33", "start_time": "32:31", "text": "So that's what I started doing." }, { "end_time": "32:37", "start_time": "32:34", "text": "I would just keep saying I don't know, I don't know, I don't know." }, { "end_time": "32:39", "start_time": "32:37", "text": "So So they'll ask one question, I'd say I don't know." }, { "end_time": "32:45", "start_time": "32:39", "text": "Then they'll look here, they're in extreme disgust that this guy doesn't even know this, like that, like that, like that." }, { "end_time": "32:53", "start_time": "32:45", "text": "So they'll keep asking, keep asking, keep asking, keep asking, keep asking, and you know that this is all piling up." }, { "end_time": "32:54", "start_time": "32:53", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "32:58", "start_time": "32:54", "text": "And then they'll just say, you know, you need to learn and all." }, { "end_time": "32:59", "start_time": "32:58", "text": "So they'll tell you, okay." }, { "end_time": "33:00", "start_time": "32:59", "text": "Do one thing." }, { "end_time": "33:03", "start_time": "33:00", "text": "Half an hour guard check, whole night." }, { "end_time": "33:08", "start_time": "33:03", "text": "So every half an hour, you're circling the battalion, the whole battalion." }, { "end_time": "33:12", "start_time": "33:08", "text": "There are certain number of check posts, there's moving patrols and all." }, { "end_time": "33:13", "start_time": "33:12", "text": "There are very high level of security going on." }, { "end_time": "33:16", "start_time": "33:13", "text": "So you're circling the whole battalion the whole night." }, { "end_time": "33:19", "start_time": "33:16", "text": "Every half an hour, you have to take one circle." }, { "end_time": "33:40", "start_time": "33:20", "text": "And then in the morning at 5 o'clock there's gonna be a PD fall in, and at 5:30 there's gonna be a battle preparatory endurance test go, where you will be competing with all those guys who broke off at 7:30 last night, and they were, like, cooking, you know, meat and this and that and, you know, eating almonds and whatnot and all of that." }, { "end_time": "33:45", "start_time": "33:40", "text": "And they have slept, and they're going to be running alongside you, and you better be number 1, 2, or 3." }, { "end_time": "33:47", "start_time": "33:46", "text": "Ideally, 1 or 2." }, { "end_time": "33:51", "start_time": "33:48", "text": "So if you don't come 1, 2, or 3, you're out brother." }, { "end_time": "34:01", "start_time": "33:51", "text": "You can't make excuses that, you know, I didn't sleep last night and everybody knows you have not slept last night, but you will yet perform because you have to lead these people in combat." }, { "end_time": "34:02", "start_time": "34:01", "text": "You have to lead the men in combat." }, { "end_time": "34:07", "start_time": "34:02", "text": "In special forces, you don't lead by position of your rank or whatever." }, { "end_time": "34:09", "start_time": "34:07", "text": "There is no authority in combat." }, { "end_time": "34:17", "start_time": "34:10", "text": "When the shit is flying and death is, like, constantly zipping around you, like like like like that, there is no authority." }, { "end_time": "34:20", "start_time": "34:17", "text": "There is no captain, major, colonel, brigadier, freaking no one." }, { "end_time": "34:23", "start_time": "34:20", "text": "It's just you and the people who are there with you." }, { "end_time": "34:25", "start_time": "34:23", "text": "And what are you going to do right now?" }, { "end_time": "34:28", "start_time": "34:25", "text": "That is what decides leadership there." }, { "end_time": "34:31", "start_time": "34:28", "text": "That is what either keeps it all together or everything is destroyed." }, { "end_time": "34:34", "start_time": "34:32", "text": "So that's what is checked." }, { "end_time": "34:35", "start_time": "34:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:37", "start_time": "34:35", "text": "So like that, you go through a process." }, { "end_time": "34:43", "start_time": "34:38", "text": "And then again the next day, and then again the next day, and then again the next day, and then again the next day, and like that, like that, like that." }, { "end_time": "34:44", "start_time": "34:43", "text": "6 months." }, { "end_time": "34:49", "start_time": "34:46", "text": "That's a little intense, honestly, to say the least." }, { "end_time": "34:54", "start_time": "34:49", "text": "But, so, like, you get through this process." }, { "end_time": "34:59", "start_time": "34:54", "text": "And from what I hear, it's a lot about breaking them and breaking through all the layers, getting to the core." }, { "end_time": "35:05", "start_time": "35:00", "text": "In the process of breaking those layers, some people's cores break, and those are the ones that lead." }, { "end_time": "35:08", "start_time": "35:05", "text": "And the ones who are left with that pure core, they become more powerful." }, { "end_time": "35:10", "start_time": "35:09", "text": "What do you mean?" }, { "end_time": "35:12", "start_time": "35:11", "text": "Well, now you realize yourself." }, { "end_time": "35:16", "start_time": "35:14", "text": "Now you are you are you know what you are." }, { "end_time": "35:26", "start_time": "35:17", "text": "You just look back at what you have gone through for this long period of time, you know, and then you realize that nothing is impossible." }, { "end_time": "35:29", "start_time": "35:26", "text": "Nothing, nothing, Nothing." }, { "end_time": "35:38", "start_time": "35:30", "text": "So that's the kind of realization which is the chief weapon of a special forces operator who knows it." }, { "end_time": "35:43", "start_time": "35:40", "text": "All this I have gone through, now you just, like, whatever, man." }, { "end_time": "35:44", "start_time": "35:43", "text": "Whatever." }, { "end_time": "35:44", "start_time": "35:44", "text": "Whatever." }, { "end_time": "35:45", "start_time": "35:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:58", "start_time": "35:45", "text": "Like, they say that while you're training, you should train, you know, for the worst case scenario so that when you're actually in the practical scenario, it's not the worst case scenario because you've already gone through the grueling time in your training." }, { "end_time": "36:00", "start_time": "35:58", "text": "Combat combat is touch and go." }, { "end_time": "36:02", "start_time": "36:00", "text": "Actually, com no training can match combat." }, { "end_time": "36:03", "start_time": "36:02", "text": "No training can match combat." }, { "end_time": "36:07", "start_time": "36:03", "text": "Do you feel that combat also continues your training process?" }, { "end_time": "36:07", "start_time": "36:07", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "36:08", "start_time": "36:07", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "36:10", "start_time": "36:08", "text": "It's like a painter who hasn't painted." }, { "end_time": "36:26", "start_time": "36:10", "text": "If a special forces soldier has you know, you've gone through NDA, you've gone through IME, you've gone through a lot of shit in life, you go volunteered, you got into, you know, reach the battalion, you know, gates of hell, and you reached there and you've gone through a process of 6 months of bloody getting screwed up and this, that, and all that." }, { "end_time": "36:32", "start_time": "36:26", "text": "And and then you have not seen combat or you've seen very less of combat, you're you're not there." }, { "end_time": "36:37", "start_time": "36:34", "text": "So combat, you know, tears you up even further." }, { "end_time": "36:41", "start_time": "36:38", "text": "Combat actually places you at the right mindset." }, { "end_time": "36:44", "start_time": "36:41", "text": "And the more you see combat, the more you see this what is combat?" }, { "end_time": "36:46", "start_time": "36:44", "text": "Combat is life, death, life, death, life, death." }, { "end_time": "36:50", "start_time": "36:46", "text": "Duality at its at its cutting fucking edge." }, { "end_time": "36:51", "start_time": "36:50", "text": "That's combat." }, { "end_time": "36:51", "start_time": "36:51", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "36:56", "start_time": "36:52", "text": "So when you're constantly on that cutting edge and choosing to be there, you're evolving." }, { "end_time": "36:57", "start_time": "36:57", "text": "Yes, sir." }, { "end_time": "36:58", "start_time": "36:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "37:01", "start_time": "36:58", "text": "So, it can just keep getting intense and intense." }, { "end_time": "37:11", "start_time": "37:01", "text": "And what happens after a certain period of time, depending on what your level of consciousness is, where you already were, you know, so you're able to predict." }, { "end_time": "37:12", "start_time": "37:11", "text": "You're able to feel it." }, { "end_time": "37:20", "start_time": "37:12", "text": "Like, after a certain point, like, I I used to tell my guys that something's gonna happen today." }, { "end_time": "37:24", "start_time": "37:20", "text": "I felt like, I've known that something is going to happen." }, { "end_time": "37:25", "start_time": "37:24", "text": "I've told yeah." }, { "end_time": "37:25", "start_time": "37:25", "text": "Intuition." }, { "end_time": "37:26", "start_time": "37:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "37:26", "start_time": "37:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "37:33", "start_time": "37:26", "text": "The intuition becomes so powerful so powerful that it's there in your head and thought it comes from intuition." }, { "end_time": "37:35", "start_time": "37:33", "text": "It turns into thought and turns into action." }, { "end_time": "37:36", "start_time": "37:35", "text": "It's like that." }, { "end_time": "37:37", "start_time": "37:36", "text": "You're there." }, { "end_time": "37:37", "start_time": "37:37", "text": "You can see it." }, { "end_time": "37:44", "start_time": "37:38", "text": "I just wanna highlight one thing for the audiences that this skill of intuition that you develop through the course of your journey." }, { "end_time": "37:53", "start_time": "37:45", "text": "Suppose you end up going away from the army and try doing something after your army tenure, you apply that intuition in your 2nd innings as well." }, { "end_time": "37:55", "start_time": "37:53", "text": "And I've seen this with you, captain Raghu." }, { "end_time": "38:00", "start_time": "37:56", "text": "Just you all are taking experience from the army and applying it in the real world to make the real world a better place." }, { "end_time": "38:03", "start_time": "38:00", "text": "But I'd still just like to highlight combat a little bit again." }, { "end_time": "38:13", "start_time": "38:03", "text": "So do you remember the first time you went into combat and you don't have to tell us where it was, what happened, but I'd love to know what the man in you was thinking." }, { "end_time": "38:15", "start_time": "38:13", "text": "Was it just excitement?" }, { "end_time": "38:16", "start_time": "38:15", "text": "Was it aggression?" }, { "end_time": "38:20", "start_time": "38:16", "text": "Was it again, did efficiency come to the top and were you very duty based?" }, { "end_time": "38:22", "start_time": "38:20", "text": "Were you in a state of flow?" }, { "end_time": "38:24", "start_time": "38:22", "text": "So I remember my first combat experience." }, { "end_time": "38:27", "start_time": "38:25", "text": "I remember everything I did in the special forces." }, { "end_time": "38:29", "start_time": "38:28", "text": "Every damn thing." }, { "end_time": "38:31", "start_time": "38:29", "text": "So what happened?" }, { "end_time": "38:44", "start_time": "38:32", "text": "So when I went into combat the first time, I was taken after my probation, blah blah blah, got selected, became a you know, got into the lowest rung of the special forces team that was operating." }, { "end_time": "39:01", "start_time": "38:45", "text": "And I was sitting on top of a mountain, and we were supposed to go down into into a place, into a very deep with a very, very, very jagged terrain." }, { "end_time": "39:09", "start_time": "39:02", "text": "And we had to hold ground on top, and, we had to go down and, you know, do what we have come there to do." }, { "end_time": "39:13", "start_time": "39:10", "text": "So I was supposed to sit with the radio set and listen." }, { "end_time": "39:19", "start_time": "39:13", "text": "What my team commander told me, my team commander was a very, very, very, very, very experienced and very balanced person in combat." }, { "end_time": "39:23", "start_time": "39:20", "text": "So he told me that, you know, Jacob, you do one thing." }, { "end_time": "39:29", "start_time": "39:24", "text": "You you know, you this radio set that you have, you sit right there on top of that mountain." }, { "end_time": "39:32", "start_time": "39:29", "text": "And he was also sitting, you know, some distance away from me on top of that mountain." }, { "end_time": "39:35", "start_time": "39:32", "text": "He was controlling the entire combat operation going on there." }, { "end_time": "39:41", "start_time": "39:35", "text": "He was watching and controlling and getting feed from all the all the squads which are out there." }, { "end_time": "39:48", "start_time": "39:43", "text": "And I was also sitting, and he was sitting about maybe 20, 30 meters in the forest on the other side." }, { "end_time": "39:51", "start_time": "39:48", "text": "And he told me, you listen to the cricket match." }, { "end_time": "39:52", "start_time": "39:51", "text": "You listen and learn." }, { "end_time": "39:53", "start_time": "39:52", "text": "That's what he told me." }, { "end_time": "39:54", "start_time": "39:53", "text": "I keep sitting there." }, { "end_time": "39:56", "start_time": "39:55", "text": "See what happens." }, { "end_time": "40:06", "start_time": "39:57", "text": "So I was sitting and waiting, and then the 2 scores which are going down for the hit, they were passing by just next to me." }, { "end_time": "40:07", "start_time": "40:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "40:08", "start_time": "40:07", "text": "They were going down." }, { "end_time": "40:10", "start_time": "40:09", "text": "6 and 6." }, { "end_time": "40:17", "start_time": "40:10", "text": "So they were going down, and I saw the last I was watching them go down, and I knew, fucking, they are going for combat right now." }, { "end_time": "40:19", "start_time": "40:17", "text": "They are gonna experience right now." }, { "end_time": "40:25", "start_time": "40:20", "text": "And the last guy was going and I just told my buddy I'm also going." }, { "end_time": "40:25", "start_time": "40:25", "text": "Bye bye." }, { "end_time": "40:28", "start_time": "40:25", "text": "And I and I went down behind the last guy." }, { "end_time": "40:34", "start_time": "40:29", "text": "So I went down, down, down, down and reached the point of where the contact was supposed to happen." }, { "end_time": "40:42", "start_time": "40:35", "text": "So I reached there and I informed my team commander that, sir, I'm here now." }, { "end_time": "40:45", "start_time": "40:43", "text": "So he said, okay." }, { "end_time": "40:50", "start_time": "40:45", "text": "Obviously, there is no extracting me back from there now because the contact is gonna happen now." }, { "end_time": "40:51", "start_time": "40:50", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "40:52", "start_time": "40:51", "text": "So he let it be." }, { "end_time": "40:54", "start_time": "40:52", "text": "It was my choice." }, { "end_time": "41:01", "start_time": "40:55", "text": "So and then first stop, first contact, first aid." }, { "end_time": "41:03", "start_time": "41:02", "text": "That's how I experienced it." }, { "end_time": "41:04", "start_time": "41:03", "text": "I chose it." }, { "end_time": "41:04", "start_time": "41:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "41:09", "start_time": "41:05", "text": "When the bullets started flying and the bomb started exploding, what was in your head?" }, { "end_time": "41:10", "start_time": "41:09", "text": "Years of training?" }, { "end_time": "41:11", "start_time": "41:11", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "41:12", "start_time": "41:11", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "41:12", "start_time": "41:12", "text": "Pure instinct." }, { "end_time": "41:14", "start_time": "41:13", "text": "Pure instinct." }, { "end_time": "41:15", "start_time": "41:14", "text": "It's pure instinct." }, { "end_time": "41:17", "start_time": "41:15", "text": "Your body just works like Yeah." }, { "end_time": "41:17", "start_time": "41:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "41:21", "start_time": "41:17", "text": "See, how what happens is, like I said, they're breaking it down, yet they're training you as well." }, { "end_time": "41:25", "start_time": "41:21", "text": "So for example, like so naturally, I was a good marksman." }, { "end_time": "41:27", "start_time": "41:25", "text": "I was, like, pretty good with a weapon." }, { "end_time": "41:29", "start_time": "41:27", "text": "From childhood, like, my father's taught me." }, { "end_time": "41:35", "start_time": "41:29", "text": "I've been cleaning cleaning various kinds of weapons, opening them up, cleaning them up, using them, etcetera from a child." }, { "end_time": "41:43", "start_time": "41:35", "text": "Like, from class 2, 3, I've been handling pistols and things like that, filling in ammunition and things like that at home, on our dining table and all." }, { "end_time": "41:45", "start_time": "41:43", "text": "So I had a lot of experience with weapons." }, { "end_time": "41:51", "start_time": "41:46", "text": "And if you wanna call it DNA or whatever, so my father was, like, a national shot." }, { "end_time": "41:53", "start_time": "41:51", "text": "He could write his name with a pistol." }, { "end_time": "41:54", "start_time": "41:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:02", "start_time": "41:55", "text": "And, so that experience was there probably in my DNA or whatever, and then I landed up in 9 parastacial forces." }, { "end_time": "42:10", "start_time": "42:02", "text": "And then, you know, when I entered that gate, like I said, they straightaway took us to the armory where the weapons are kept." }, { "end_time": "42:13", "start_time": "42:10", "text": "And they opened the gates of the armory and said, you know, pick up your weapons." }, { "end_time": "42:15", "start_time": "42:13", "text": "And they're all live weapons." }, { "end_time": "42:16", "start_time": "42:15", "text": "They're not dummy weapons." }, { "end_time": "42:17", "start_time": "42:16", "text": "They're all live weapons." }, { "end_time": "42:23", "start_time": "42:17", "text": "And they told us that these weapons are going to stay with you for as long as you are here in this battalion." }, { "end_time": "42:30", "start_time": "42:24", "text": "And once you clear your selection, then you can, you know, there are other things that you can be exposed to, but this is your baby." }, { "end_time": "42:31", "start_time": "42:30", "text": "This is part of your body." }, { "end_time": "42:33", "start_time": "42:31", "text": "It doesn't go away from you." }, { "end_time": "42:35", "start_time": "42:33", "text": "So and then so then you're handed." }, { "end_time": "42:36", "start_time": "42:35", "text": "That's the first thing that happened to me." }, { "end_time": "42:38", "start_time": "42:36", "text": "They gave me a bloody a k 47." }, { "end_time": "42:41", "start_time": "42:39", "text": "Like, they gave me they opened it up, and I chose an AK 47." }, { "end_time": "42:45", "start_time": "42:41", "text": "Now I had certain understanding of a weapon, so of weapons, so I chose a particular weapon." }, { "end_time": "42:49", "start_time": "42:46", "text": "That weapon for 6 months was stuck to my body." }, { "end_time": "42:52", "start_time": "42:50", "text": "But if I was eating, it was on my lap." }, { "end_time": "42:55", "start_time": "42:52", "text": "If I was rolling, it was on between my knees." }, { "end_time": "42:58", "start_time": "42:55", "text": "If I was sleeping, it was tied to me." }, { "end_time": "43:01", "start_time": "42:58", "text": "If I was shitting, I was in I was holding it." }, { "end_time": "43:07", "start_time": "43:01", "text": "And it was constantly 6 months that that body will that weapon became a part of my body." }, { "end_time": "43:08", "start_time": "43:07", "text": "It was like with me, stuck with me." }, { "end_time": "43:15", "start_time": "43:08", "text": "Because if if it separates from you, the whole, you know, unit is waiting for that weapon to separate from you." }, { "end_time": "43:21", "start_time": "43:15", "text": "They'll try to they'll break you down so much that you'll get confused and you lose the weapon for a minute, 2 minutes." }, { "end_time": "43:25", "start_time": "43:21", "text": "If it's away from you, they'll take out the moving parts." }, { "end_time": "43:28", "start_time": "43:25", "text": "And you will not even realize that the firing pin is gone." }, { "end_time": "43:34", "start_time": "43:29", "text": "You realize it when you go for a firing and you click and no bullet comes out, you realize the bloody firing pin is gone." }, { "end_time": "43:37", "start_time": "43:34", "text": "And if that goes, you are gone." }, { "end_time": "43:38", "start_time": "43:37", "text": "You're you're you're told to leave." }, { "end_time": "43:43", "start_time": "43:39", "text": "Given some beer, drink beer, happy, no no no hard feelings, and bye bye, buddy." }, { "end_time": "43:44", "start_time": "43:43", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "43:45", "start_time": "43:44", "text": "So it's like that." }, { "end_time": "43:56", "start_time": "43:45", "text": "So because of 6 months that damn thing was with me, it became so so much of a part of my body that wherever I would point my finger, the damn bullet would go there only." }, { "end_time": "44:00", "start_time": "43:57", "text": "So in the first contact, it's a flash." }, { "end_time": "44:02", "start_time": "44:00", "text": "Most contacts are a flash." }, { "end_time": "44:03", "start_time": "44:02", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "44:05", "start_time": "44:03", "text": "There is no intense prolonged battles going on." }, { "end_time": "44:08", "start_time": "44:05", "text": "We don't want to get into prolonged battles and all." }, { "end_time": "44:08", "start_time": "44:08", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "44:10", "start_time": "44:08", "text": "We want to just go there and finish it off." }, { "end_time": "44:13", "start_time": "44:11", "text": "Go and hit smash out." }, { "end_time": "44:14", "start_time": "44:13", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "44:20", "start_time": "44:14", "text": "So when that first contact happened, it was an instinct instinct." }, { "end_time": "44:21", "start_time": "44:20", "text": "See the truck truck." }, { "end_time": "44:22", "start_time": "44:21", "text": "It was like that." }, { "end_time": "44:31", "start_time": "44:22", "text": "There was no, you know, schist and we will put foresight, backside, and whatnot, and you'll take deep breath and this, that, and pull trigger slightly and all that." }, { "end_time": "44:32", "start_time": "44:31", "text": "It's not like that." }, { "end_time": "44:34", "start_time": "44:32", "text": "It's just like that." }, { "end_time": "44:35", "start_time": "44:34", "text": "It finishes like that." }, { "end_time": "44:37", "start_time": "44:36", "text": "Efficiency comes to the foresight." }, { "end_time": "44:38", "start_time": "44:38", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "44:40", "start_time": "44:39", "text": "Muscle memory." }, { "end_time": "44:43", "start_time": "44:41", "text": "Confidence coupled with muscle memory." }, { "end_time": "44:49", "start_time": "44:43", "text": "So if you take sports shooters, right, people who who are shooting for sport." }, { "end_time": "44:49", "start_time": "44:49", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "44:53", "start_time": "44:50", "text": "Air pistols, rifles, big bore, etcetera, whatever it is." }, { "end_time": "44:56", "start_time": "44:53", "text": "Even like your ski and trap or whatever that you are into." }, { "end_time": "45:07", "start_time": "44:57", "text": "What happens is that, you are capable of, a human body and, and the human mind is capable of photocopying each and every action." }, { "end_time": "45:08", "start_time": "45:07", "text": "It's capable of that." }, { "end_time": "45:08", "start_time": "45:08", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "45:10", "start_time": "45:08", "text": "And these are very controlled environments." }, { "end_time": "45:11", "start_time": "45:10", "text": "The AC is on." }, { "end_time": "45:12", "start_time": "45:11", "text": "There is no sound." }, { "end_time": "45:13", "start_time": "45:12", "text": "Nobody is disturbing you." }, { "end_time": "45:14", "start_time": "45:13", "text": "You're at the right temperature." }, { "end_time": "45:16", "start_time": "45:14", "text": "You've eaten the right kind of food." }, { "end_time": "45:18", "start_time": "45:16", "text": "You slept well, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "45:25", "start_time": "45:19", "text": "So that when you go into when you're able to repeat the same 1010, 1010, 1010, like that." }, { "end_time": "45:26", "start_time": "45:25", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "45:27", "start_time": "45:26", "text": "Combat is not like that." }, { "end_time": "45:32", "start_time": "45:28", "text": "So, you're in combat." }, { "end_time": "45:34", "start_time": "45:32", "text": "It's all chaos." }, { "end_time": "45:40", "start_time": "45:34", "text": "So in that entire chaos, if you can, you know, in that one flash, you have to hit a bloody 10, man." }, { "end_time": "45:45", "start_time": "45:40", "text": "Because if you don't hit a 10, there is going to 10 10 bullets gonna come towards you." }, { "end_time": "45:46", "start_time": "45:45", "text": "Burst will come." }, { "end_time": "45:48", "start_time": "45:46", "text": "There are no single bullet coming towards you." }, { "end_time": "45:50", "start_time": "45:48", "text": "It'll come like a fucking wave." }, { "end_time": "45:50", "start_time": "45:50", "text": "Boom." }, { "end_time": "45:51", "start_time": "45:50", "text": "Like that." }, { "end_time": "45:53", "start_time": "45:52", "text": "It'll come like that." }, { "end_time": "45:55", "start_time": "45:53", "text": "And so you don't want that happening." }, { "end_time": "45:55", "start_time": "45:55", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "46:04", "start_time": "45:56", "text": "So instinctively, you reach that level of, survival and exploration where you are you go." }, { "end_time": "46:05", "start_time": "46:04", "text": "It's one shot." }, { "end_time": "46:06", "start_time": "46:05", "text": "One shot is a 10." }, { "end_time": "46:07", "start_time": "46:06", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "46:07", "start_time": "46:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:12", "start_time": "46:07", "text": "Are you are you allowed to speak of the most difficult mission you had to face through your tenure?" }, { "end_time": "46:16", "start_time": "46:12", "text": "Just a bit of it, like, or what you found, you know, to be challenging." }, { "end_time": "46:17", "start_time": "46:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:18", "start_time": "46:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:18", "start_time": "46:18", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:19", "start_time": "46:18", "text": "Only 1." }, { "end_time": "46:28", "start_time": "46:20", "text": "And I'll tell you what was challenging about it, but I enjoyed my life in the special forces." }, { "end_time": "46:29", "start_time": "46:28", "text": "Constantly evolving." }, { "end_time": "46:29", "start_time": "46:29", "text": "No?" }, { "end_time": "46:31", "start_time": "46:29", "text": "Constantly at the cutting edge." }, { "end_time": "46:33", "start_time": "46:31", "text": "And every combat situation is new." }, { "end_time": "46:33", "start_time": "46:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:33", "start_time": "46:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:33", "start_time": "46:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:34", "start_time": "46:34", "text": "Something." }, { "end_time": "46:39", "start_time": "46:34", "text": "Like, for every day every every day, you know, you know, circumstances are different." }, { "end_time": "46:40", "start_time": "46:39", "text": "The people you meet are different." }, { "end_time": "46:41", "start_time": "46:40", "text": "Things that happen to you are different." }, { "end_time": "46:43", "start_time": "46:41", "text": "The different food that you eat, etcetera, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "46:45", "start_time": "46:44", "text": "There's variety in life." }, { "end_time": "46:50", "start_time": "46:45", "text": "Similarly, in combat, there's no combat situation is the same." }, { "end_time": "46:50", "start_time": "46:50", "text": "None." }, { "end_time": "46:51", "start_time": "46:50", "text": "None whatsoever." }, { "end_time": "47:04", "start_time": "46:52", "text": "And in my case, what I got to experience was I've never, like, had the, you know, good fortune of sitting and waiting and in a perfect situation where you just go crack, crack, crack, and it's over." }, { "end_time": "47:06", "start_time": "47:04", "text": "It's never happened like that with me." }, { "end_time": "47:16", "start_time": "47:06", "text": "What has happened with me is that I have reached a certain place, reached there, and then things have played." }, { "end_time": "47:25", "start_time": "47:16", "text": "Like, all my contacts that I've had are moving contacts, moving, flashes, finished finished, like that." }, { "end_time": "47:31", "start_time": "47:25", "text": "Prolonged battle as, like, very few few times where something prolonged into something." }, { "end_time": "47:42", "start_time": "47:32", "text": "And it's like, so the most challenging thing I ever found was when one of my guys got injured, but that was the calmest I've ever been." }, { "end_time": "47:47", "start_time": "47:43", "text": "I was able to extract that man from death." }, { "end_time": "47:50", "start_time": "47:47", "text": "It was when I say I, I mean my team." }, { "end_time": "48:03", "start_time": "47:51", "text": "You were very small team, very few guys, heavily laden with combat gear and all the things that you need in various kinds of situations that may come up during combat." }, { "end_time": "48:06", "start_time": "48:03", "text": "You're not gonna get a chance to go home and, oh, I forgot this." }, { "end_time": "48:07", "start_time": "48:06", "text": "I'll get that." }, { "end_time": "48:08", "start_time": "48:07", "text": "Not happening, brother." }, { "end_time": "48:29", "start_time": "48:08", "text": "So what does happen is that you've so years years of experience and experience and experience and experience at that point where you've been able to calculate every damn thing and reset situation as prepared as you can be in equipment, in training, in mindset, in experience, and etcetera, all of that crunched into that, you know, 4, 5 minutes or 1, 2 minutes or whatever." }, { "end_time": "48:38", "start_time": "48:29", "text": "So we were in a very, very, very, very, very difficult place, and, guys, like, blew up." }, { "end_time": "48:46", "start_time": "48:38", "text": "And, yeah, it was like I was looking at that guy, and I was thinking, no." }, { "end_time": "48:47", "start_time": "48:46", "text": "He's dead." }, { "end_time": "48:49", "start_time": "48:47", "text": "He's gonna die right in front of my eyes." }, { "end_time": "48:52", "start_time": "48:49", "text": "He's and that we were like we are like brothers." }, { "end_time": "49:01", "start_time": "48:52", "text": "Because in combat, you know, like I said, there is no there is no major captain, colonel, brigadier, all that doesn't exist there." }, { "end_time": "49:05", "start_time": "49:01", "text": "What exists only that exists in combat is love." }, { "end_time": "49:06", "start_time": "49:05", "text": "Is love?" }, { "end_time": "49:06", "start_time": "49:06", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "49:06", "start_time": "49:06", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "49:07", "start_time": "49:06", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "49:08", "start_time": "49:07", "text": "I love my men." }, { "end_time": "49:11", "start_time": "49:08", "text": "I should love them as love." }, { "end_time": "49:14", "start_time": "49:11", "text": "Only love can penetrate like that." }, { "end_time": "49:15", "start_time": "49:14", "text": "Nothing else." }, { "end_time": "49:17", "start_time": "49:15", "text": "Only love can be that efficient." }, { "end_time": "49:22", "start_time": "49:18", "text": "So it's that love, which forms after trust." }, { "end_time": "49:24", "start_time": "49:22", "text": "Trust comes before love." }, { "end_time": "49:29", "start_time": "49:24", "text": "So then the love comes, and then that with that love vibration, you can fucking penetrate anything." }, { "end_time": "49:34", "start_time": "49:29", "text": "So at that point of time, when I was seeing this guy and and what a guy, man." }, { "end_time": "49:35", "start_time": "49:34", "text": "What a guy." }, { "end_time": "49:38", "start_time": "49:35", "text": "Like, his his, like, ankle below was gone." }, { "end_time": "49:40", "start_time": "49:38", "text": "There was space there." }, { "end_time": "49:49", "start_time": "49:40", "text": "And then his his his one foot, the which had basically blown up, there was only one bone." }, { "end_time": "49:56", "start_time": "49:49", "text": "There's the bone of the longest toe, you know, there was just there was no flesh on it." }, { "end_time": "50:00", "start_time": "49:56", "text": "It was just a bone and which had broken in like a hook and there was nothing else there." }, { "end_time": "50:04", "start_time": "50:01", "text": "And this guy was like, he had his hands behind his back like this." }, { "end_time": "50:06", "start_time": "50:04", "text": "We extracted him in 5 minutes." }, { "end_time": "50:11", "start_time": "50:06", "text": "5 minutes, I'd formed a protective circle around him and we were, like, pumping him with morphine." }, { "end_time": "50:12", "start_time": "50:11", "text": "We're pumping him with IV." }, { "end_time": "50:13", "start_time": "50:12", "text": "We had put in IV." }, { "end_time": "50:14", "start_time": "50:13", "text": "We had put in tetanus." }, { "end_time": "50:17", "start_time": "50:14", "text": "We'd, like, you know, bandage the wound." }, { "end_time": "50:21", "start_time": "50:17", "text": "He was spurting blood like like a, you know, like a machine." }, { "end_time": "50:25", "start_time": "50:21", "text": "Every time he would pump, he would spray blood like that." }, { "end_time": "50:30", "start_time": "50:26", "text": "And, within 5 minutes we had, like, sorted him out." }, { "end_time": "50:36", "start_time": "50:30", "text": "We had brought the blood down to a trickle and we had administered whatever was needed to be done." }, { "end_time": "50:38", "start_time": "50:36", "text": "There was no doctor there." }, { "end_time": "50:39", "start_time": "50:38", "text": "It was just us." }, { "end_time": "50:43", "start_time": "50:40", "text": "So we were trained to be able to handle something like that." }, { "end_time": "50:48", "start_time": "50:44", "text": "And then it goes into instinct and only love can actually get something out like that." }, { "end_time": "50:51", "start_time": "50:48", "text": "So that guy had such fucking balls on him." }, { "end_time": "50:56", "start_time": "50:52", "text": "He was he was like this, and he was just looking at his foot like that." }, { "end_time": "50:56", "start_time": "50:56", "text": "Just looking." }, { "end_time": "50:57", "start_time": "50:56", "text": "He wasn't saying anything." }, { "end_time": "50:58", "start_time": "50:57", "text": "And I was just looking at it." }, { "end_time": "51:02", "start_time": "50:58", "text": "This guy starts screaming right now because he's staring death in the face." }, { "end_time": "51:04", "start_time": "51:02", "text": "He's he's so calm." }, { "end_time": "51:06", "start_time": "51:04", "text": "He knows he's going to die now." }, { "end_time": "51:07", "start_time": "51:06", "text": "He knows it." }, { "end_time": "51:09", "start_time": "51:07", "text": "So while we were doing that, I was looking at him." }, { "end_time": "51:10", "start_time": "51:09", "text": "What is he going to do?" }, { "end_time": "51:11", "start_time": "51:10", "text": "When is he going to start screaming?" }, { "end_time": "51:14", "start_time": "51:13", "text": "He did not scream." }, { "end_time": "51:19", "start_time": "51:15", "text": "So while we were doing it, and then there was a little piece piece of his heel, which was hanging off." }, { "end_time": "51:29", "start_time": "51:19", "text": "So we were trying to put it back on the bone and then trying to, you know, bind it up because it'll be needed later when he gets an it gets it'll become a stump." }, { "end_time": "51:31", "start_time": "51:29", "text": "So the stump can take the prosthetic." }, { "end_time": "51:31", "start_time": "51:31", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "51:36", "start_time": "51:32", "text": "So we were just putting that heel back so that he has some cushioning and all later on in life." }, { "end_time": "51:38", "start_time": "51:36", "text": "And he was just looking like that." }, { "end_time": "51:47", "start_time": "51:38", "text": "And that's when he opened his mouth and he said that, So basically, just chop it off and throw it away." }, { "end_time": "51:49", "start_time": "51:47", "text": "Just do it, whatever you're doing." }, { "end_time": "51:53", "start_time": "51:50", "text": "So we told him and just did what we had to do." }, { "end_time": "52:07", "start_time": "51:53", "text": "And at that point of time, you know so at that point, we had it it had taken us, like, 48 hours to reach there down down a jagged mountain." }, { "end_time": "52:10", "start_time": "52:07", "text": "We had fixed ropes and whatnot to reach there." }, { "end_time": "52:16", "start_time": "52:10", "text": "But then to fucking pull him out from there, it is it has taken us 2 nights of climbing down." }, { "end_time": "52:20", "start_time": "52:17", "text": "And this guy is gonna die very, very soon." }, { "end_time": "52:22", "start_time": "52:20", "text": "He knows that there is no way." }, { "end_time": "52:27", "start_time": "52:22", "text": "There is no way humanly possible for him to reach a reach a reach medical attention." }, { "end_time": "52:31", "start_time": "52:27", "text": "The kind of emergency medical attention he requires right now." }, { "end_time": "52:32", "start_time": "52:32", "text": "But we did it." }, { "end_time": "52:33", "start_time": "52:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:39", "start_time": "52:33", "text": "There's a guy who was when we were, like, laden with I was carrying all 30, 35 KGs as a as a team commander." }, { "end_time": "52:40", "start_time": "52:39", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "52:42", "start_time": "52:40", "text": "Imagine what all of us were carrying." }, { "end_time": "52:46", "start_time": "52:42", "text": "And when we started, like, we did not go like this, like that or something." }, { "end_time": "52:47", "start_time": "52:46", "text": "Just straight away like that." }, { "end_time": "52:50", "start_time": "52:47", "text": "We went like that, like a fucking rocket." }, { "end_time": "52:53", "start_time": "52:50", "text": "Sita just fucking picked him up, surrounded him." }, { "end_time": "53:00", "start_time": "52:53", "text": "There's a guy who there was a guy on my team, a very young guy, and he's he was like a big man." }, { "end_time": "53:05", "start_time": "53:00", "text": "And, he was new, relatively new." }, { "end_time": "53:08", "start_time": "53:05", "text": "And it was his, like, first combat experience and all." }, { "end_time": "53:09", "start_time": "53:08", "text": "That's what I'm talking about, love." }, { "end_time": "53:13", "start_time": "53:10", "text": "So he just lifted that guy on his back." }, { "end_time": "53:14", "start_time": "53:13", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "53:16", "start_time": "53:14", "text": "Just lifted that guy on his back and said, I'll climb." }, { "end_time": "53:19", "start_time": "53:18", "text": "And we needed that." }, { "end_time": "53:24", "start_time": "53:19", "text": "We needed that at that point because various reasons, blood flow, blah blah blah." }, { "end_time": "53:27", "start_time": "53:25", "text": "And there's probably enemies around." }, { "end_time": "53:28", "start_time": "53:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "53:29", "start_time": "53:29", "text": "Obviously." }, { "end_time": "53:30", "start_time": "53:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "53:33", "start_time": "53:30", "text": "There are enemies around and they know what's up." }, { "end_time": "53:35", "start_time": "53:33", "text": "So they're hunting you now." }, { "end_time": "53:36", "start_time": "53:35", "text": "So you have to get out." }, { "end_time": "53:40", "start_time": "53:37", "text": "Not because you're afraid or anything of contact of combat." }, { "end_time": "53:41", "start_time": "53:40", "text": "That's what you've come here for." }, { "end_time": "53:42", "start_time": "53:41", "text": "We're like, bring them on, man." }, { "end_time": "53:44", "start_time": "53:42", "text": "We were fucking like that." }, { "end_time": "53:48", "start_time": "53:44", "text": "But it you know, 6 of us, we were at that stage." }, { "end_time": "53:54", "start_time": "53:48", "text": "If we got surrounded, if we got surrounded by whoever we got surrounded, it would take them 1 year to kill us." }, { "end_time": "53:55", "start_time": "53:54", "text": "1 year." }, { "end_time": "53:58", "start_time": "53:55", "text": "Unless they bloody bombed the area." }, { "end_time": "54:00", "start_time": "53:59", "text": "That that level." }, { "end_time": "54:08", "start_time": "54:02", "text": "So when this guy picked him up, you know, this, let's call him a." }, { "end_time": "54:13", "start_time": "54:08", "text": "So a picked up, the guy who had blown off his leg." }, { "end_time": "54:17", "start_time": "54:13", "text": "This guy started, saying no, no, no, put me down." }, { "end_time": "54:18", "start_time": "54:17", "text": "I'll walk and go." }, { "end_time": "54:19", "start_time": "54:18", "text": "I'll walk and go." }, { "end_time": "54:20", "start_time": "54:19", "text": "That's what he was saying." }, { "end_time": "54:27", "start_time": "54:21", "text": "His leg is gone, like his ankle below gone, and he's saying that no, no, you put me down, I'll walk and go." }, { "end_time": "54:28", "start_time": "54:27", "text": "I'll carry my weapon." }, { "end_time": "54:35", "start_time": "54:29", "text": "He was carrying his IV bottle in one hand in which he was getting IV fluid inside his body and he was carrying his weapon." }, { "end_time": "54:36", "start_time": "54:35", "text": "He was saying, no, I'll walk." }, { "end_time": "54:40", "start_time": "54:37", "text": "So I had to tell him, brother, please climb on his back." }, { "end_time": "54:43", "start_time": "54:40", "text": "So he just, he said, okay, okay, let it go." }, { "end_time": "54:53", "start_time": "54:43", "text": "So he climbed on his back and we were going and there was this huge rock in that Nala where this guy put his foot on to climb up and that huge rock, like, rolled, rolled onto his shin bone." }, { "end_time": "55:04", "start_time": "54:54", "text": "And he just sat down and and the guy who was carrying the other fellow, he just sat down, caught his foot like this, and like about 30, 40 seconds he was like this." }, { "end_time": "55:06", "start_time": "55:04", "text": "And then he got up and told him you climb again." }, { "end_time": "55:15", "start_time": "55:07", "text": "And we we and we started climbing and climbing and climbing and climbing and climbing and climbing and and we had him extracted by 3:30 AM in the morning." }, { "end_time": "55:17", "start_time": "55:15", "text": "I had him on the fucking helipad, man." }, { "end_time": "55:20", "start_time": "55:18", "text": "And, he was out." }, { "end_time": "55:23", "start_time": "55:21", "text": "He was out and then, you know, whatever." }, { "end_time": "55:25", "start_time": "55:23", "text": "So that was pretty intense." }, { "end_time": "55:25", "start_time": "55:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "55:37", "start_time": "55:26", "text": "So that particular situation, like, it was so much of intense hard work and planning and guts and balls and fucking what not had gone into being there at that point of time." }, { "end_time": "55:42", "start_time": "55:38", "text": "And, it was a long plan." }, { "end_time": "55:47", "start_time": "55:43", "text": "Days and days of stretch there in that position." }, { "end_time": "55:58", "start_time": "55:51", "text": "And and on the 5th day, in the morning, I started getting a feeling of dread." }, { "end_time": "56:01", "start_time": "55:59", "text": "The first time I felt dread in combat." }, { "end_time": "56:04", "start_time": "56:01", "text": "I've never felt dread or fear or anything." }, { "end_time": "56:06", "start_time": "56:04", "text": "Just there's no mind space for all of that." }, { "end_time": "56:10", "start_time": "56:06", "text": "You are in combat and you start feeling fear, you're not gonna get out of your life." }, { "end_time": "56:13", "start_time": "56:10", "text": "And it's a natural body instinct, you know, fight or flight." }, { "end_time": "56:15", "start_time": "56:13", "text": "So you're in the fight mode, man." }, { "end_time": "56:30", "start_time": "56:15", "text": "So at that point of time, on that 5th day, and we had long stretch ahead of us on that 5th day in the morning, you know, and I was just thinking, and it's just dread started building, building, building, building, building, building, building, building." }, { "end_time": "56:33", "start_time": "56:30", "text": "And by around 9:30, 10 o'clock in the morning, I wanted to get out from there." }, { "end_time": "56:35", "start_time": "56:33", "text": "I wanted to leave that." }, { "end_time": "56:43", "start_time": "56:35", "text": "And I just kept thinking, you know, in 12 years, this is the first time I want to leave combat." }, { "end_time": "56:44", "start_time": "56:43", "text": "I don't want to be here." }, { "end_time": "56:45", "start_time": "56:44", "text": "I want to get out." }, { "end_time": "56:46", "start_time": "56:45", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "56:49", "start_time": "56:46", "text": "So I was thinking, trying to use my mind to understand what am I feeling." }, { "end_time": "56:51", "start_time": "56:49", "text": "So it was so fucking intense." }, { "end_time": "56:52", "start_time": "56:51", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "56:53", "start_time": "56:52", "text": "You can't ignore it." }, { "end_time": "56:54", "start_time": "56:53", "text": "You can't suppress it." }, { "end_time": "56:56", "start_time": "56:54", "text": "That kind of dread was coming in." }, { "end_time": "56:57", "start_time": "56:56", "text": "So I was thinking, why is this happening?" }, { "end_time": "56:58", "start_time": "56:57", "text": "It had never happened to me before." }, { "end_time": "57:03", "start_time": "56:59", "text": "Before all the intuitions I had was that, like, something's gonna happen and I've gone in to take it." }, { "end_time": "57:03", "start_time": "57:03", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "57:05", "start_time": "57:03", "text": "But this was, I wanted to get out." }, { "end_time": "57:10", "start_time": "57:06", "text": "So I was thinking, why?" }, { "end_time": "57:13", "start_time": "57:10", "text": "So I was thinking, you know, maybe, maybe, what do I want to get back to?" }, { "end_time": "57:20", "start_time": "57:13", "text": "I want to get back up there where there'll be a warm blanket and there'll be some rum to drink and there'll be some chicken to eat and all of that." }, { "end_time": "57:21", "start_time": "57:20", "text": "It was just stalling and all of that." }, { "end_time": "57:22", "start_time": "57:21", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "57:24", "start_time": "57:22", "text": "So I was thinking maybe I've become lazy." }, { "end_time": "57:25", "start_time": "57:24", "text": "I've become lazy in my head." }, { "end_time": "57:32", "start_time": "57:25", "text": "I spent so much time in this thing, and now I'm becoming becoming like the other guys who left because they couldn't handle it anymore." }, { "end_time": "57:34", "start_time": "57:32", "text": "So I've become like that." }, { "end_time": "57:35", "start_time": "57:34", "text": "I'm becoming lazy." }, { "end_time": "57:36", "start_time": "57:35", "text": "That's why I wanna go." }, { "end_time": "57:39", "start_time": "57:37", "text": "So I told him, fucking no way." }, { "end_time": "57:40", "start_time": "57:39", "text": "I'm not going back for that reason." }, { "end_time": "57:45", "start_time": "57:40", "text": "So I stayed put, but the dread kept becoming bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger." }, { "end_time": "57:48", "start_time": "57:46", "text": "And that's the first time I smoked in combat." }, { "end_time": "57:50", "start_time": "57:49", "text": "I couldn't, like, help it." }, { "end_time": "57:54", "start_time": "57:50", "text": "I just I just pulled out a fucking cigarette to suppress that dread." }, { "end_time": "57:56", "start_time": "57:54", "text": "It had reached such a bloody level." }, { "end_time": "57:59", "start_time": "57:56", "text": "I just and I you can't tell that to the other guys sitting around you." }, { "end_time": "57:59", "start_time": "57:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "58:00", "start_time": "57:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "58:01", "start_time": "58:00", "text": "Because you're leading them." }, { "end_time": "58:15", "start_time": "58:01", "text": "So it was just I was processing inside and thinking thinking, and I think by around around 4:30 in the evening, I was like I had pressed my radio set button, and I was gonna tell the other guys." }, { "end_time": "58:16", "start_time": "58:15", "text": "We were like 2 scords out." }, { "end_time": "58:17", "start_time": "58:16", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "58:20", "start_time": "58:17", "text": "I was gonna tell the other scord, extract." }, { "end_time": "58:22", "start_time": "58:21", "text": "Get out." }, { "end_time": "58:23", "start_time": "58:22", "text": "Come to me and we'll get out from here." }, { "end_time": "58:28", "start_time": "58:23", "text": "I was I pressed the switch and I was going to pass and I left it." }, { "end_time": "58:31", "start_time": "58:28", "text": "I decided at that point, no, I'll see this through." }, { "end_time": "58:35", "start_time": "58:32", "text": "I'm not going from here because I couldn't understand why I wanna get out." }, { "end_time": "58:43", "start_time": "58:37", "text": "So I just crushed that feeling of wanting to get out and I stayed put, and around like 20, 25 minutes later, boom." }, { "end_time": "58:47", "start_time": "58:45", "text": "And then, like, 5 minutes of radio silence." }, { "end_time": "58:53", "start_time": "58:50", "text": "So I knew some shit has gone bad." }, { "end_time": "58:56", "start_time": "58:53", "text": "Various permutations, combinations came in my head." }, { "end_time": "59:00", "start_time": "58:56", "text": "There were people my own squad guys telling me, you know, open the radio." }, { "end_time": "59:01", "start_time": "59:00", "text": "Ask them what's up." }, { "end_time": "59:01", "start_time": "59:01", "text": "What's up." }, { "end_time": "59:01", "start_time": "59:01", "text": "What's up." }, { "end_time": "59:01", "start_time": "59:01", "text": "What's up." }, { "end_time": "59:02", "start_time": "59:01", "text": "What's happened?" }, { "end_time": "59:02", "start_time": "59:02", "text": "What's happened?" }, { "end_time": "59:05", "start_time": "59:02", "text": "I was telling, I knew shit has hit the fan." }, { "end_time": "59:08", "start_time": "59:05", "text": "Like, who were the guy who's leading that squad." }, { "end_time": "59:09", "start_time": "59:08", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "59:10", "start_time": "59:09", "text": "I was leading 2 squads." }, { "end_time": "59:12", "start_time": "59:10", "text": "The guy was leading that squad, that small team." }, { "end_time": "59:14", "start_time": "59:13", "text": "So I was waiting for him." }, { "end_time": "59:18", "start_time": "59:14", "text": "5 minutes, I waited sitting on the radio waiting for him because I knew he's in chaos right now." }, { "end_time": "59:23", "start_time": "59:18", "text": "He's in fucking chaos right now, and the last thing he fucking needs to hear from me is what the fuck is going on." }, { "end_time": "59:24", "start_time": "59:23", "text": "He'll fucking handle it." }, { "end_time": "59:27", "start_time": "59:25", "text": "That's what he's been trained for." }, { "end_time": "59:30", "start_time": "59:27", "text": "And at the end of the day, you know, either God is walking with us or not." }, { "end_time": "59:30", "start_time": "59:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "59:31", "start_time": "59:30", "text": "We'll find out." }, { "end_time": "59:32", "start_time": "59:31", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "59:33", "start_time": "59:32", "text": "But we'll see." }, { "end_time": "59:41", "start_time": "59:33", "text": "So 5 minutes I just waiting waiting waiting waiting waiting waiting waiting waiting, and he came on the radio and told me, shit has hit the fan." }, { "end_time": "59:42", "start_time": "59:41", "text": "Guy has blown his leg." }, { "end_time": "59:51", "start_time": "59:43", "text": "So then you cannot lose another guy because you will not be able to extract because then the load will become too heavy." }, { "end_time": "59:56", "start_time": "59:52", "text": "So you cannot have another casualty trying to extract another casualty." }, { "end_time": "1:00:00", "start_time": "59:57", "text": "So we did certain things after that at that point of time." }, { "end_time": "1:00:03", "start_time": "1:00:00", "text": "And that was a situation that you're not taught." }, { "end_time": "1:00:05", "start_time": "1:00:03", "text": "You see it, experience it." }, { "end_time": "1:00:18", "start_time": "1:00:05", "text": "So that that heart, that confidence in love and the skill sets and your experiences, all of that crunched together gives you fucking clarity like nobody's business." }, { "end_time": "1:00:23", "start_time": "1:00:19", "text": "And with that clarity, you're able to go in and then face what is there." }, { "end_time": "1:00:27", "start_time": "1:00:23", "text": "And in that particular case, we were able to successfully extract the guy." }, { "end_time": "1:00:28", "start_time": "1:00:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:00:28", "start_time": "1:00:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:00:35", "start_time": "1:00:29", "text": "Whenever I talk to someone from the army, like the two things that really stick out for me are leadership and brotherhood." }, { "end_time": "1:00:43", "start_time": "1:00:36", "text": "You know, you you spoke about a sense of love and that's what actually triggered this whole situation even within your mind." }, { "end_time": "1:01:00", "start_time": "1:00:44", "text": "So what have you learned about leadership, sir, through that and your and I'd also love to ask you that you said that while there's no hierarchy in combat, I'm sure that through the course of multiple combat situations, some people come out as the leaders." }, { "end_time": "1:01:02", "start_time": "1:01:00", "text": "So how are they collectively chosen?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:06", "start_time": "1:01:02", "text": "Who's chosen as that guy who says that, okay, here's what we'll do." }, { "end_time": "1:01:08", "start_time": "1:01:06", "text": "And how do you create that listening ability?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:09", "start_time": "1:01:08", "text": "I'll tell you." }, { "end_time": "1:01:12", "start_time": "1:01:10", "text": "So what did it teach me about leadership?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:13", "start_time": "1:01:12", "text": "Is that what you asked me?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:13", "start_time": "1:01:13", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:01:16", "start_time": "1:01:15", "text": "Leadership is about responsibility." }, { "end_time": "1:01:20", "start_time": "1:01:18", "text": "It's about the man who can take on that responsibility." }, { "end_time": "1:01:22", "start_time": "1:01:21", "text": "It's as simple as that." }, { "end_time": "1:01:24", "start_time": "1:01:23", "text": "It starts with that." }, { "end_time": "1:01:25", "start_time": "1:01:25", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:31", "start_time": "1:01:26", "text": "So there is pre combat, there is combat." }, { "end_time": "1:01:33", "start_time": "1:01:31", "text": "There is no post combat." }, { "end_time": "1:01:36", "start_time": "1:01:33", "text": "Post combat is only analysis of all the shit that you have done." }, { "end_time": "1:01:41", "start_time": "1:01:37", "text": "But pre combat is preparation for combat and then there is combat." }, { "end_time": "1:01:47", "start_time": "1:01:42", "text": "Both require extreme amount of leadership skills because your life is your life." }, { "end_time": "1:01:49", "start_time": "1:01:47", "text": "And I say my life means my team." }, { "end_time": "1:01:49", "start_time": "1:01:49", "text": "My team." }, { "end_time": "1:01:50", "start_time": "1:01:49", "text": "My life." }, { "end_time": "1:01:51", "start_time": "1:01:51", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:56", "start_time": "1:01:51", "text": "Is is dependent on me and, you know, you're wearing some funny ranks and all that." }, { "end_time": "1:01:59", "start_time": "1:01:56", "text": "So that is supposed to be placing you in a position of responsibility." }, { "end_time": "1:02:07", "start_time": "1:02:02", "text": "But in a way, it is easy to lead a special forces team because all of them are bad motherfuckers." }, { "end_time": "1:02:07", "start_time": "1:02:07", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:08", "start_time": "1:02:07", "text": "They're fucking good." }, { "end_time": "1:02:10", "start_time": "1:02:08", "text": "So and they all love." }, { "end_time": "1:02:10", "start_time": "1:02:10", "text": "No?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:13", "start_time": "1:02:10", "text": "That's only that's the only way you can survive there." }, { "end_time": "1:02:15", "start_time": "1:02:13", "text": "If you love each other only, that's the way." }, { "end_time": "1:02:17", "start_time": "1:02:16", "text": "Otherwise, you will fail." }, { "end_time": "1:02:19", "start_time": "1:02:17", "text": "And if you fail, you will pay the price in blood." }, { "end_time": "1:02:20", "start_time": "1:02:19", "text": "So it's like that." }, { "end_time": "1:02:22", "start_time": "1:02:21", "text": "So leadership is a responsibility." }, { "end_time": "1:02:23", "start_time": "1:02:22", "text": "It's simple as that." }, { "end_time": "1:02:27", "start_time": "1:02:23", "text": "Those people who can take on that kind of responsibility are natural leaders." }, { "end_time": "1:02:30", "start_time": "1:02:27", "text": "They're in the vibration of leadership, if you wanna call it." }, { "end_time": "1:02:30", "start_time": "1:02:30", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:35", "start_time": "1:02:31", "text": "But you're also constantly following things also at that point of time, but you're calling the shots." }, { "end_time": "1:02:36", "start_time": "1:02:35", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:41", "start_time": "1:02:36", "text": "Ultimately, you are listening, following, thinking, analyzing, all of that freaking going on." }, { "end_time": "1:02:44", "start_time": "1:02:41", "text": "And then you're calling the shot that this is what they're gonna do." }, { "end_time": "1:02:46", "start_time": "1:02:45", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:47", "start_time": "1:02:46", "text": "So you have to trust." }, { "end_time": "1:02:49", "start_time": "1:02:47", "text": "So leadership is about responsibility." }, { "end_time": "1:02:54", "start_time": "1:02:50", "text": "Being able to take on responsibility and being able to fucking trust yourself to take on that responsibility." }, { "end_time": "1:02:55", "start_time": "1:02:54", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:00", "start_time": "1:02:55", "text": "It's not that, you know, you lose some money or, you know, you'll break some friendship or some shit like that." }, { "end_time": "1:03:01", "start_time": "1:03:00", "text": "You'll fucking die." }, { "end_time": "1:03:02", "start_time": "1:03:01", "text": "If you die, it's all well and good." }, { "end_time": "1:03:03", "start_time": "1:03:02", "text": "Your Maya is over." }, { "end_time": "1:03:11", "start_time": "1:03:03", "text": "But then then the rest of the guys, if somebody else dies, you are gonna sit here and watch his children weep and his children go through various things." }, { "end_time": "1:03:14", "start_time": "1:03:11", "text": "And you'll miss him and things like that and you will judge yourself." }, { "end_time": "1:03:14", "start_time": "1:03:14", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:15", "start_time": "1:03:14", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:16", "start_time": "1:03:15", "text": "So all those things, you know." }, { "end_time": "1:03:24", "start_time": "1:03:19", "text": "So during combat combat is like a purification, it's like titration, you know." }, { "end_time": "1:03:40", "start_time": "1:03:26", "text": "Only only those who can lead, who have got all it takes to lead at that point of time when chaos has hit you, smashed you, right, smashed everything that you had planned and just smashes into you, chaos begins." }, { "end_time": "1:03:44", "start_time": "1:03:41", "text": "At that point of time, you can you have to be bigger than that chaos." }, { "end_time": "1:03:56", "start_time": "1:03:44", "text": "And the only thing that is bigger than that fucking chaos is your is the fucking trust you have in yourself and all the bloody all that life has put you through and then finally being able to throw it all in that moment." }, { "end_time": "1:03:59", "start_time": "1:03:57", "text": "Be more chaotic than fucking chaos." }, { "end_time": "1:04:01", "start_time": "1:03:59", "text": "That's what's gonna get you through." }, { "end_time": "1:04:06", "start_time": "1:04:01", "text": "So at that point of time, in especially, like, in combat and all, like, we don't wear ranks and all those things." }, { "end_time": "1:04:08", "start_time": "1:04:07", "text": "So we don't wear ranks." }, { "end_time": "1:04:13", "start_time": "1:04:08", "text": "We don't wear if you see, like, if you'd seen me in combat, you will like, you'd be confused." }, { "end_time": "1:04:14", "start_time": "1:04:13", "text": "Who the fuck am I?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:15", "start_time": "1:04:14", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:15", "start_time": "1:04:15", "text": "Like that." }, { "end_time": "1:04:39", "start_time": "1:04:15", "text": "So to give you an example, so when I was very young, when I when I when I was very young in in combat, at that point of time, we were penetrating into a place heavily infested heavily infested and we were penetrating deep inside to hit some particular target." }, { "end_time": "1:04:48", "start_time": "1:04:40", "text": "And, we were on the side of a mountain, and we were going on the mountain track like that at night." }, { "end_time": "1:04:53", "start_time": "1:04:48", "text": "Must have been around 8:30, 9:9:9:30 at night." }, { "end_time": "1:04:58", "start_time": "1:04:55", "text": "And, there was no it was a naked mountain." }, { "end_time": "1:05:02", "start_time": "1:04:58", "text": "Basically, there was no undergrowth, no trees, no cover, no rock, nothing." }, { "end_time": "1:05:04", "start_time": "1:05:02", "text": "It was just grass like that and like that." }, { "end_time": "1:05:06", "start_time": "1:05:04", "text": "And we were going like this." }, { "end_time": "1:05:11", "start_time": "1:05:06", "text": "The whole team there, whole team in which I was like a new guy." }, { "end_time": "1:05:18", "start_time": "1:05:11", "text": "And, you know, special forces guys can be pretty ruthless if you interact with them." }, { "end_time": "1:05:20", "start_time": "1:05:19", "text": "They will ridicule you." }, { "end_time": "1:05:22", "start_time": "1:05:20", "text": "They will make fun or whatever." }, { "end_time": "1:05:23", "start_time": "1:05:22", "text": "You know, it's like that." }, { "end_time": "1:05:25", "start_time": "1:05:23", "text": "Depending on the kind of personality you're coming across." }, { "end_time": "1:05:25", "start_time": "1:05:25", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:32", "start_time": "1:05:26", "text": "And the soldiers and all, they will not give you your respect because you're just wearing a left hand or a captain or whatever it is there." }, { "end_time": "1:05:36", "start_time": "1:05:32", "text": "You are they will give you respect when they respect you." }, { "end_time": "1:05:37", "start_time": "1:05:36", "text": "It's like that." }, { "end_time": "1:05:41", "start_time": "1:05:37", "text": "When they fucking their heart feel respect for you, that is when they will respect you." }, { "end_time": "1:05:43", "start_time": "1:05:41", "text": "Otherwise, they will not respect you." }, { "end_time": "1:05:58", "start_time": "1:05:43", "text": "And in combat, respect is, is the most most, most, important tool to be execute to be able to execute that combat situation, that chaotic motherfucking situation with precise efficiency." }, { "end_time": "1:06:02", "start_time": "1:06:00", "text": "Because respect will keep everything together." }, { "end_time": "1:06:07", "start_time": "1:06:04", "text": "And love in a slightly higher format, but love takes time." }, { "end_time": "1:06:08", "start_time": "1:06:07", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:06:16", "start_time": "1:06:08", "text": "So when we were going down up that side of that mountain like that, there was a huge, like, like Nala below us." }, { "end_time": "1:06:18", "start_time": "1:06:16", "text": "And then there was the other mountain on the right side." }, { "end_time": "1:06:26", "start_time": "1:06:19", "text": "And suddenly a whole, like, machine gun fire started on us." }, { "end_time": "1:06:28", "start_time": "1:06:26", "text": "Accurate machine gun fire." }, { "end_time": "1:06:35", "start_time": "1:06:28", "text": "Like, you have to, like, hear it, to experience it, to understand what how chaos comes out of the darkness." }, { "end_time": "1:06:38", "start_time": "1:06:35", "text": "Just boom." }, { "end_time": "1:06:43", "start_time": "1:06:40", "text": "Accurate fucking this big motherfucking bullets coming at you, man." }, { "end_time": "1:06:46", "start_time": "1:06:43", "text": "Bouncing off all of the motherfucking place at night." }, { "end_time": "1:06:54", "start_time": "1:06:47", "text": "So the whole team, whole team, I was in the lead group and, the I I, like, whole team went down." }, { "end_time": "1:06:57", "start_time": "1:06:54", "text": "Whole team went down into the ground." }, { "end_time": "1:06:59", "start_time": "1:06:57", "text": "And there was, like, there was no space to hide." }, { "end_time": "1:07:03", "start_time": "1:06:59", "text": "There was no space to hide but we were like we just find that fucking space, man." }, { "end_time": "1:07:06", "start_time": "1:07:03", "text": "Like, you know, the fucking quarter centimeter you'll get into it." }, { "end_time": "1:07:06", "start_time": "1:07:06", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:07:12", "start_time": "1:07:08", "text": "And I was just it it had just started and I was just looking." }, { "end_time": "1:07:13", "start_time": "1:07:12", "text": "I was also down." }, { "end_time": "1:07:14", "start_time": "1:07:13", "text": "All of us were down." }, { "end_time": "1:07:17", "start_time": "1:07:14", "text": "I just looked ahead and there's 2, 3 guys ahead of me and I looked behind." }, { "end_time": "1:07:19", "start_time": "1:07:18", "text": "Whatever till where I could see." }, { "end_time": "1:07:22", "start_time": "1:07:19", "text": "I could I could see whole column down." }, { "end_time": "1:07:26", "start_time": "1:07:23", "text": "And it just started, like, 2 seconds into combat." }, { "end_time": "1:07:26", "start_time": "1:07:26", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:07:28", "start_time": "1:07:26", "text": "2 seconds into being ambushed." }, { "end_time": "1:07:29", "start_time": "1:07:28", "text": "We were ambushed." }, { "end_time": "1:07:39", "start_time": "1:07:29", "text": "So 2 seconds into that and, I just thought at that point of time that the man who stands now and returns fire, he's the leader." }, { "end_time": "1:07:49", "start_time": "1:07:40", "text": "The man who stands now stands now in that fucking hail of fucking machine gun fire, who stands now and fucking gives it back because that's the only way you can stop that." }, { "end_time": "1:07:52", "start_time": "1:07:50", "text": "Otherwise they'll keep fucking there, no, endless ammunition." }, { "end_time": "1:07:57", "start_time": "1:07:53", "text": "And soon, you know, rocket launchers will come and soon a lot of other shit is going to follow." }, { "end_time": "1:07:58", "start_time": "1:07:58", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:08:02", "start_time": "1:07:59", "text": "So the man who stands now is the fucking leader of this group." }, { "end_time": "1:08:08", "start_time": "1:08:05", "text": "So I stood up and I started fucking firing back." }, { "end_time": "1:08:14", "start_time": "1:08:08", "text": "And as I was firing back and I started seeing people started standing and fucking firing back, giving fucking shit back." }, { "end_time": "1:08:16", "start_time": "1:08:14", "text": "That's how we control that situation." }, { "end_time": "1:08:19", "start_time": "1:08:17", "text": "Yeah, that's leadership." }, { "end_time": "1:08:21", "start_time": "1:08:20", "text": "You gotta earn the respect." }, { "end_time": "1:08:23", "start_time": "1:08:22", "text": "There's no earning and all." }, { "end_time": "1:08:24", "start_time": "1:08:23", "text": "It is just who you are." }, { "end_time": "1:08:24", "start_time": "1:08:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:08:25", "start_time": "1:08:24", "text": "It's simple as that." }, { "end_time": "1:08:27", "start_time": "1:08:25", "text": "You don't have to earn respect." }, { "end_time": "1:08:29", "start_time": "1:08:27", "text": "You don't have to do anything but be yourself." }, { "end_time": "1:08:29", "start_time": "1:08:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:08:30", "start_time": "1:08:29", "text": "That's all." }, { "end_time": "1:08:40", "start_time": "1:08:30", "text": "When chaos hits around you, if you can center in, the more chaos, the more centered, the more efficient, the more chances of getting out alive with everyone." }, { "end_time": "1:08:42", "start_time": "1:08:40", "text": "All the people you love, you can get all of them out." }, { "end_time": "1:08:43", "start_time": "1:08:42", "text": "It's like that." }, { "end_time": "1:08:55", "start_time": "1:08:43", "text": "So you also told me this other really intense thing for me, which is that in all your missions, you've not seen casualties to the extent where, you know, I don't think you've taken a bullet yourself also." }, { "end_time": "1:08:57", "start_time": "1:08:55", "text": "You've not had a bullet injury." }, { "end_time": "1:08:57", "start_time": "1:08:57", "text": "Nothing." }, { "end_time": "1:08:59", "start_time": "1:08:58", "text": "Nothing." }, { "end_time": "1:09:01", "start_time": "1:08:59", "text": "Has there been a hand of God over your head?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:04", "start_time": "1:09:02", "text": "Or is it is it training?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:05", "start_time": "1:09:04", "text": "Is it good leadership?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:06", "start_time": "1:09:05", "text": "Is it being aware?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:07", "start_time": "1:09:06", "text": "It's a choice." }, { "end_time": "1:09:09", "start_time": "1:09:08", "text": "Ultimately, it's a choice." }, { "end_time": "1:09:15", "start_time": "1:09:10", "text": "And there's a choice you make and the circumstances will be as such, but you will be tested, brother." }, { "end_time": "1:09:16", "start_time": "1:09:15", "text": "You'll be tested." }, { "end_time": "1:09:18", "start_time": "1:09:17", "text": "What do you mean so?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:30", "start_time": "1:09:19", "text": "So like I said, there is no, you know, easy combat situation that I was, like, I had the good fortune to experience, where I would just be, you know, things would just happen." }, { "end_time": "1:09:34", "start_time": "1:09:30", "text": "I'll just press the fucking trigger and it's all over, and we just collect what we have come to collect and move off." }, { "end_time": "1:09:37", "start_time": "1:09:34", "text": "It's never been like that." }, { "end_time": "1:09:38", "start_time": "1:09:37", "text": "All chaos has hit." }, { "end_time": "1:09:41", "start_time": "1:09:39", "text": "Every fucking time chaos has hit." }, { "end_time": "1:09:41", "start_time": "1:09:41", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:47", "start_time": "1:09:42", "text": "All the point till the point of penetration, till the point of fucking contact, smooth, hot knife through butter." }, { "end_time": "1:09:47", "start_time": "1:09:47", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:52", "start_time": "1:09:47", "text": "But at that point explosion, contact, chaos, chaos, chaos." }, { "end_time": "1:09:52", "start_time": "1:09:52", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:10:01", "start_time": "1:09:54", "text": "Through that chaos, never lost a guy." }, { "end_time": "1:10:03", "start_time": "1:10:02", "text": "Never got hit." }, { "end_time": "1:10:09", "start_time": "1:10:03", "text": "No one, no one got hit ever in nine and a half years." }, { "end_time": "1:10:09", "start_time": "1:10:09", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:10:25", "start_time": "1:10:10", "text": "And the the first time, like when, like this situation with this guy blew up his leg, That's the point is the only mistake or you wanna call it whatever you want to call it." }, { "end_time": "1:10:26", "start_time": "1:10:25", "text": "It's perception." }, { "end_time": "1:10:27", "start_time": "1:10:26", "text": "But yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:10:30", "start_time": "1:10:28", "text": "That's it." }, { "end_time": "1:10:31", "start_time": "1:10:30", "text": "That was it." }, { "end_time": "1:10:33", "start_time": "1:10:33", "text": "So, yes." }, { "end_time": "1:10:36", "start_time": "1:10:35", "text": "Never taken a bullet." }, { "end_time": "1:10:39", "start_time": "1:10:37", "text": "Had enough of fucking bullets fired at me." }, { "end_time": "1:10:42", "start_time": "1:10:39", "text": "I've had fucking weapons shoved in my face." }, { "end_time": "1:10:45", "start_time": "1:10:42", "text": "I've got a fucking I've been surrounded by enemy." }, { "end_time": "1:10:49", "start_time": "1:10:45", "text": "I opened my hands like this and looked at him in the fucking eye and told him it's okay." }, { "end_time": "1:10:50", "start_time": "1:10:49", "text": "I've killed 4 like you." }, { "end_time": "1:10:50", "start_time": "1:10:50", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:10:51", "start_time": "1:10:50", "text": "Kill me, man." }, { "end_time": "1:10:52", "start_time": "1:10:51", "text": "Fuck off." }, { "end_time": "1:10:53", "start_time": "1:10:52", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:10:56", "start_time": "1:10:53", "text": "And then look beyond what is death to see what is there now." }, { "end_time": "1:10:58", "start_time": "1:10:57", "text": "To see it." }, { "end_time": "1:10:59", "start_time": "1:10:58", "text": "There is nothing." }, { "end_time": "1:11:03", "start_time": "1:11:00", "text": "To see it and experience it, like my whole life flashed in front of it." }, { "end_time": "1:11:04", "start_time": "1:11:03", "text": "3 times it has happened." }, { "end_time": "1:11:06", "start_time": "1:11:04", "text": "Whole life, whole life." }, { "end_time": "1:11:17", "start_time": "1:11:06", "text": "It's like a photo album, you know, you have in your hand, and you go like that all your life, entire life in photographs, Each photograph having channels of videos." }, { "end_time": "1:11:20", "start_time": "1:11:18", "text": "Whole life flash like that." }, { "end_time": "1:11:21", "start_time": "1:11:20", "text": "It's a flash." }, { "end_time": "1:11:22", "start_time": "1:11:21", "text": "It's beyond time." }, { "end_time": "1:11:22", "start_time": "1:11:22", "text": "There is no time." }, { "end_time": "1:11:26", "start_time": "1:11:22", "text": "It doesn't happen in a microsecond or a one second or a 10 seconds or whatever." }, { "end_time": "1:11:27", "start_time": "1:11:26", "text": "Just happens." }, { "end_time": "1:11:43", "start_time": "1:11:29", "text": "So yes, there have been a lot of out of control chaos which has come like that, come suddenly, come without warning and got out of it and safe." }, { "end_time": "1:11:47", "start_time": "1:11:44", "text": "So do accept the last one." }, { "end_time": "1:11:51", "start_time": "1:11:47", "text": "Well, guys, I'm sorry we had to cut the conversation at that part." }, { "end_time": "1:11:55", "start_time": "1:11:51", "text": "There is a part 2 to this conversation that's coming up very, very soon." }, { "end_time": "1:12:01", "start_time": "1:11:56", "text": "More of this legend's mindset, more of this legend's stories." }, { "end_time": "1:12:10", "start_time": "1:12:01", "text": "And that part 2 of this conversation is gonna be about what major Vivek Jacob is up to at this stage of his life." }, { "end_time": "1:12:15", "start_time": "1:12:10", "text": "Some very, very special work that this man and his team are doing in the world." }, { "end_time": "1:12:18", "start_time": "1:12:15", "text": "I hope you enjoy part 2 just as much." } ] }

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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:07", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "Then again, I saw after some time, people came with very rude loaded machine gun with chains and everything, and they're shouting, you open the gate and get them outside." }, { "end_time": "0:08", "start_time": "0:07", "text": "A gate is not going to be open." }, { "end_time": "0:10", "start_time": "0:08", "text": "I said, open the gate." }, { "end_time": "0:12", "start_time": "0:10", "text": "No negative." }, { "end_time": "0:13", "start_time": "0:12", "text": "No gate will be open." }, { "end_time": "0:14", "start_time": "0:13", "text": "And I will see to this." }, { "end_time": "0:16", "start_time": "0:14", "text": "Ma'am also here sitting here only to see you guys." }, { "end_time": "0:19", "start_time": "0:17", "text": "You try some stunt and then you see the music." }, { "end_time": "0:23", "start_time": "0:19", "text": "I landed up at the and I saw Indian army and dogs are not allowed." }, { "end_time": "0:25", "start_time": "0:23", "text": "Is that statement acceptable to you?" }, { "end_time": "0:29", "start_time": "0:25", "text": "Imagine being an army and being uniform and you read something like this written all over." }, { "end_time": "0:29", "start_time": "0:29", "text": "Wall." }, { "end_time": "0:33", "start_time": "0:29", "text": "Weapon, equipment, communication profile, whatever it may be." }, { "end_time": "0:38", "start_time": "0:34", "text": "But the biggest brand and the best brand in the entire world is Indian Army." }, { "end_time": "0:39", "start_time": "0:38", "text": "I'm damn clear on this." }, { "end_time": "0:41", "start_time": "0:39", "text": "We are the only force." }, { "end_time": "0:42", "start_time": "0:41", "text": "History has been testimony." }, { "end_time": "0:51", "start_time": "0:42", "text": "Our soldiers are the only potent and the capable soldiers who can actually fight a battle and are just surviving on water, jaggery, and." }, { "end_time": "1:02", "start_time": "0:52", "text": "There's very few things in my professional life that I'm proud of, and being a portal for military stories like this is one of them." }, { "end_time": "1:10", "start_time": "1:02", "text": "TRS has always aimed to bring you the kind of content that you will not be able to see on OTT platforms, that you'll not be able to see through movies." }, { "end_time": "1:19", "start_time": "1:10", "text": "There's some kind of content which you'll only understand through extremely deep perspectives and extremely well told stories." }, { "end_time": "1:24", "start_time": "1:19", "text": "We've spoken a lot about the special forces on TRS." }, { "end_time": "1:28", "start_time": "1:24", "text": "Special forces represent the highest amount of efficiency within the military." }, { "end_time": "1:39", "start_time": "1:29", "text": "Most people know about the PARASF, which is the special forces of the army, the MARCOS, which are the special forces of the navy, the Garuda, which is the special forces of the air force." }, { "end_time": "1:42", "start_time": "1:39", "text": "But there are other special forces as well." }, { "end_time": "1:47", "start_time": "1:43", "text": "Colonel Rajeev Berwan represents the airborne forces." }, { "end_time": "1:50", "start_time": "1:48", "text": "What the airborne forces are?" }, { "end_time": "1:56", "start_time": "1:50", "text": "His extremely detailed perspectives on the things he's seen during his military tenure." }, { "end_time": "1:58", "start_time": "1:57", "text": "He served outside India as well." }, { "end_time": "2:03", "start_time": "1:58", "text": "He served in Africa in its peak of turmoil." }, { "end_time": "2:10", "start_time": "2:04", "text": "This podcast was so heavy for me that on the night of this particular conversation, I actually just cried myself." }, { "end_time": "2:12", "start_time": "2:10", "text": "There's nothing going wrong in my life." }, { "end_time": "2:18", "start_time": "2:12", "text": "There's no trauma that I'm undergoing, but this particular piece was extremely heavy even for me." }, { "end_time": "2:22", "start_time": "2:18", "text": "I will let you slip into this particular episode because it's very close to my heart." }, { "end_time": "2:24", "start_time": "2:22", "text": "I hope you enjoy it." }, { "end_time": "2:27", "start_time": "2:24", "text": "Make sure you follow us on Spotify as well." }, { "end_time": "2:28", "start_time": "2:27", "text": "We're Spotify exclusive." }, { "end_time": "2:33", "start_time": "2:28", "text": "Every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world." }, { "end_time": "2:42", "start_time": "2:34", "text": "This podcast was so heavy that I had to cancel my military podcast that I had in the following week just because I needed some recovery time." }, { "end_time": "2:46", "start_time": "2:42", "text": "I hope you enjoy this episode as much as I enjoyed creating it." }, { "end_time": "2:50", "start_time": "2:46", "text": "And, Rajeev, sir, if you're watching this, it's only love for you." }, { "end_time": "2:52", "start_time": "2:50", "text": "Thank you for opening up the way you did." }, { "end_time": "2:53", "start_time": "2:52", "text": "Jahind." }, { "end_time": "2:54", "start_time": "2:53", "text": "Enjoy the episode." }, { "end_time": "3:19", "start_time": "3:12", "text": "Sir, welcome to a very, very special military themed episode of the Ranveer Show." }, { "end_time": "3:20", "start_time": "3:19", "text": "Honor having you here, sir." }, { "end_time": "3:21", "start_time": "3:20", "text": "Thanks, Sanjay." }, { "end_time": "3:21", "start_time": "3:21", "text": "Believe me." }, { "end_time": "3:22", "start_time": "3:21", "text": "Happiness is all mine." }, { "end_time": "3:23", "start_time": "3:22", "text": "Thanks." }, { "end_time": "3:29", "start_time": "3:23", "text": "You know, there's a keyword I use for certain podcasts, and the keyword here is unpacking." }, { "end_time": "3:35", "start_time": "3:30", "text": "Because I feel military personnel have just so much to share, so many experiences." }, { "end_time": "3:48", "start_time": "3:35", "text": "And, you know, I think when someone dies, when they look back at their life, it's all these experiences that are gonna flash in their eyes and not necessarily what they achieved or didn't achieve according to societal standards of achievement." }, { "end_time": "3:51", "start_time": "3:48", "text": "There's so many things on your LinkedIn, on your Instagram." }, { "end_time": "3:57", "start_time": "3:52", "text": "If, say, I met you in Sweden and I was a friend and I asked you what you do for a living, what would you say?" }, { "end_time": "4:02", "start_time": "3:57", "text": "I would have said, keep couple of months back, I used to kill people for my living and these days I'm on a break." }, { "end_time": "4:03", "start_time": "4:03", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "4:05", "start_time": "4:03", "text": "That would have been my answer, honestly." }, { "end_time": "4:06", "start_time": "4:05", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "4:06", "start_time": "4:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:10", "start_time": "4:07", "text": "If I ask you to expand on that, what would you say?" }, { "end_time": "4:11", "start_time": "4:10", "text": "Expandsy." }, { "end_time": "4:17", "start_time": "4:11", "text": "In military, especially the kind of the job and the people in the special forces or when you have been in combat operation." }, { "end_time": "4:26", "start_time": "4:19", "text": "If I talk about couple of months back or most of my service, I have been into counterinsurgency operation or counterterrorism operations." }, { "end_time": "4:32", "start_time": "4:27", "text": "I've been into Assam, Manipur, Nagaland, Janketu Tenios." }, { "end_time": "4:38", "start_time": "4:32", "text": "And most of the time, whether it was the unit or with the deputation, I've been involved in action only, and that suits me." }, { "end_time": "4:38", "start_time": "4:38", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "4:42", "start_time": "4:39", "text": "This is something which I always felt I'm best when it comes to combat." }, { "end_time": "4:45", "start_time": "4:43", "text": "The second best thing that I feel I'm good at is training." }, { "end_time": "4:48", "start_time": "4:45", "text": "This thereafter, everything is secondary for me." }, { "end_time": "4:58", "start_time": "4:48", "text": "So being in that line of duty, Anna, most of the time, Anna, preference, by choice and by default or design, you say, I've been posted into these areas where I've been involved into these kind of actions." }, { "end_time": "5:03", "start_time": "4:58", "text": "And it gives you tremendous moral satisfaction because, you know, mentally and physically, you know, you are always at your threshold." }, { "end_time": "5:05", "start_time": "5:04", "text": "What do you mean?" }, { "end_time": "5:09", "start_time": "5:05", "text": "You are into those combat situation where it's snap a decision." }, { "end_time": "5:11", "start_time": "5:09", "text": "And in couple of second, it can cost you a life." }, { "end_time": "5:15", "start_time": "5:11", "text": "It is a question of life and death, especially for someone who's with you in the team." }, { "end_time": "5:16", "start_time": "5:15", "text": "So it matters a lot." }, { "end_time": "5:20", "start_time": "5:18", "text": "So and there is a lot of responsibility on your head." }, { "end_time": "5:22", "start_time": "5:20", "text": "You always have to lead from the front." }, { "end_time": "5:24", "start_time": "5:22", "text": "And there are a couple of people there." }, { "end_time": "5:28", "start_time": "5:24", "text": "You ensure that, the number of the troops, those who go in the operation with you, the same number comes back." }, { "end_time": "5:31", "start_time": "5:28", "text": "That threat is always lingering on your head." }, { "end_time": "5:36", "start_time": "5:33", "text": "I mean, it's a very kind of raw question for you." }, { "end_time": "5:37", "start_time": "5:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:43", "start_time": "5:37", "text": "Feel free not to give an exact number, but are you comfortable giving sort of a number on how many combat situations you've been in?" }, { "end_time": "5:45", "start_time": "5:44", "text": "Like, above a certain number." }, { "end_time": "5:46", "start_time": "5:45", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "5:51", "start_time": "5:49", "text": "And maybe maybe more than 100." }, { "end_time": "5:52", "start_time": "5:51", "text": "More than 100?" }, { "end_time": "5:53", "start_time": "5:52", "text": "Definitely 100." }, { "end_time": "6:01", "start_time": "5:54", "text": "And I just tell you, although you've not asked for it, but specific, been most of the time and maximum operation that we have undertaken was in FIVO." }, { "end_time": "6:04", "start_time": "6:01", "text": "FIVO is fighting in built operation built up areas." }, { "end_time": "6:04", "start_time": "6:04", "text": "What does that mean?" }, { "end_time": "6:06", "start_time": "6:04", "text": "Built up areas is something like Mumbai." }, { "end_time": "6:07", "start_time": "6:06", "text": "You know, tall buildings." }, { "end_time": "6:09", "start_time": "6:07", "text": "It is not structured and organized." }, { "end_time": "6:09", "start_time": "6:09", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "6:12", "start_time": "6:10", "text": "There are a lot of people are staying and you carry out operations." }, { "end_time": "6:14", "start_time": "6:12", "text": "Manipur is one example in that." }, { "end_time": "6:15", "start_time": "6:14", "text": "Is another." }, { "end_time": "6:20", "start_time": "6:15", "text": "So fighting in built up area in military terminology is one of the most difficult questions, operations one can undertake." }, { "end_time": "6:21", "start_time": "6:20", "text": "Why is it difficult?" }, { "end_time": "6:24", "start_time": "6:22", "text": "It is difficult because there is no certain pattern." }, { "end_time": "6:27", "start_time": "6:24", "text": "You know, every house that you enter, it has got a different layout." }, { "end_time": "6:28", "start_time": "6:27", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "6:32", "start_time": "6:28", "text": "As for the social state, your personal choices and preferences, it is very difficult." }, { "end_time": "6:36", "start_time": "6:32", "text": "If it is a multi story building, the kind of the operation you undertake is very difficult." }, { "end_time": "6:37", "start_time": "6:36", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "6:37", "start_time": "6:37", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "6:40", "start_time": "6:37", "text": "The number of the rooms are there, it is very difficult." }, { "end_time": "6:43", "start_time": "6:40", "text": "What kind of, you know, background did the individual has?" }, { "end_time": "6:48", "start_time": "6:43", "text": "Some poor family is staying in a one is staying in a mediocre kind of a setup." }, { "end_time": "6:49", "start_time": "6:48", "text": "Somebody is staying in high strata." }, { "end_time": "6:53", "start_time": "6:49", "text": "Every house has got a different design, different layout, different makeup." }, { "end_time": "6:55", "start_time": "6:54", "text": "Demography is different." }, { "end_time": "6:58", "start_time": "6:55", "text": "Very, very difficult to conduct in fighting and built up operations." }, { "end_time": "7:04", "start_time": "7:00", "text": "Which year did you begin, like, you know, your combat experience?" }, { "end_time": "7:07", "start_time": "7:04", "text": "Like, this whole combat journey, like, when has it started?" }, { "end_time": "7:11", "start_time": "7:07", "text": "I started, having first hand experience in 99, the year I joined my unit." }, { "end_time": "7:13", "start_time": "7:11", "text": "The unit that name was in Cupora." }, { "end_time": "7:19", "start_time": "7:14", "text": "So that time, it was amazing team of my seniors, the great wonderful CEO, a Tiger General." }, { "end_time": "7:22", "start_time": "7:20", "text": "So that was the year I got a hang of it in." }, { "end_time": "7:25", "start_time": "7:22", "text": "And thereafter, actual, the raw of it, what I saw was in Manipur." }, { "end_time": "7:30", "start_time": "7:26", "text": "That was my first posting when I went to of my deputation to Assam Rifles." }, { "end_time": "7:31", "start_time": "7:30", "text": "That was amazing." }, { "end_time": "7:35", "start_time": "7:31", "text": "Every day, 2 to 3 opportunities were there." }, { "end_time": "7:37", "start_time": "7:35", "text": "Back to back, we used to have follow-up operations." }, { "end_time": "7:38", "start_time": "7:37", "text": "Why why don't we talk about that a little bit?" }, { "end_time": "7:47", "start_time": "7:38", "text": "So if you could give, the listeners some kind of context on, the situation in Manipur at that point in time." }, { "end_time": "7:47", "start_time": "7:47", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "7:51", "start_time": "7:47", "text": "Like, what was actually happening there and why we all required to carry out operations." }, { "end_time": "7:52", "start_time": "7:51", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "8:00", "start_time": "7:52", "text": "Those days, the situation as a youngster when I look back, when I see the situation was something when I landed up in Assam Rifle, I remember correctly." }, { "end_time": "8:01", "start_time": "8:00", "text": "I was told by Khan Lemus." }, { "end_time": "8:05", "start_time": "8:01", "text": "It is a kind of appointment who deals with the posting in those areas." }, { "end_time": "8:10", "start_time": "8:05", "text": "So I was told that I'm the youngest officer, posted in the assault rifle those days." }, { "end_time": "8:11", "start_time": "8:10", "text": "How old were you?" }, { "end_time": "8:15", "start_time": "8:11", "text": "I was just, with 3 years of service, and I was about 24 and a half, 25." }, { "end_time": "8:21", "start_time": "8:15", "text": "So when I landed up there, I was told when I interacted with the civilian, they asked me, are you from India?" }, { "end_time": "8:24", "start_time": "8:22", "text": "So there was a actually setback, man." }, { "end_time": "8:25", "start_time": "8:24", "text": "I think I'm in India." }, { "end_time": "8:30", "start_time": "8:26", "text": "He said, What does it mean?" }, { "end_time": "8:32", "start_time": "8:30", "text": "You don't consider yourself to be part of the India?" }, { "end_time": "8:34", "start_time": "8:32", "text": "So situation was that bad." }, { "end_time": "8:37", "start_time": "8:35", "text": "Believe you me, I'm telling you there was not even a single book." }, { "end_time": "8:39", "start_time": "8:38", "text": "There was not even a single newspaper." }, { "end_time": "8:41", "start_time": "8:39", "text": "There was no movie in Hindi." }, { "end_time": "8:43", "start_time": "8:41", "text": "It was absolutely banned." }, { "end_time": "8:46", "start_time": "8:43", "text": "It was a kind of a unparalleled government which was running there." }, { "end_time": "8:49", "start_time": "8:46", "text": "That was the kind of the whole the, you know, groups had." }, { "end_time": "8:51", "start_time": "8:50", "text": "What had caused that level of animosity?" }, { "end_time": "8:54", "start_time": "8:52", "text": "Was it, like, kind of feeling rejected from the Indian government?" }, { "end_time": "8:54", "start_time": "8:54", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "8:55", "start_time": "8:54", "text": "Maybe." }, { "end_time": "8:56", "start_time": "8:55", "text": "Not from the government, I would say." }, { "end_time": "8:58", "start_time": "8:56", "text": "You know, firstly, the lack of awareness." }, { "end_time": "8:59", "start_time": "8:58", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "9:02", "start_time": "8:59", "text": "Exploitation is damn very easy and even people are not aware." }, { "end_time": "9:05", "start_time": "9:03", "text": "And and as such, life in mountains is very difficult." }, { "end_time": "9:16", "start_time": "9:05", "text": "People have their own vested interest and by social antisocial elements, whether it is, you know, anyone who has got political interest or the groups, those who have been working there, anti national elements." }, { "end_time": "9:20", "start_time": "9:16", "text": "It is very easy to exploit the guy who is not aware of what is right and what is wrong." }, { "end_time": "9:24", "start_time": "9:20", "text": "And you know the motivation at the top is all most always power or money." }, { "end_time": "9:24", "start_time": "9:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:25", "start_time": "9:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:26", "start_time": "9:25", "text": "It all corrupts and it corrupts absolutely." }, { "end_time": "9:27", "start_time": "9:27", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "9:31", "start_time": "9:27", "text": "So I realized, you know, people don't even consider themselves as a part of the India." }, { "end_time": "9:32", "start_time": "9:31", "text": "It was a shock as a youngster." }, { "end_time": "9:36", "start_time": "9:32", "text": "I never was aware of this brutal truth until unless I went on ground." }, { "end_time": "9:41", "start_time": "9:36", "text": "And then I realized young people, most of them, they just wanted to pick up a weapon and have a feel of it." }, { "end_time": "9:42", "start_time": "9:41", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "9:42", "start_time": "9:42", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "9:43", "start_time": "9:42", "text": "I'm powerful in this area." }, { "end_time": "9:45", "start_time": "9:43", "text": "I have got power with me." }, { "end_time": "9:48", "start_time": "9:45", "text": "So as a youngster, you're dealing with a youngster." }, { "end_time": "9:48", "start_time": "9:48", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "9:49", "start_time": "9:48", "text": "He also have got a weapon." }, { "end_time": "9:51", "start_time": "9:49", "text": "I also as a a youngster has got a weapon." }, { "end_time": "9:55", "start_time": "9:52", "text": "So it's very difficult in a 2 people of the same age group." }, { "end_time": "9:59", "start_time": "9:55", "text": "1 has been trained by the military and second and I totally disoriented." }, { "end_time": "9:59", "start_time": "9:59", "text": "He doesn't know." }, { "end_time": "10:00", "start_time": "9:59", "text": "He just have a weapon." }, { "end_time": "10:03", "start_time": "10:01", "text": "And he want to have that raw sense of, you know, power." }, { "end_time": "10:03", "start_time": "10:03", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "10:04", "start_time": "10:03", "text": "I am powerful." }, { "end_time": "10:08", "start_time": "10:05", "text": "And it is very difficult sometimes when you face a situation like this." }, { "end_time": "10:16", "start_time": "10:09", "text": "The question, I wish to ask you at this point is, the first kind of dangerous combat experience where you felt like, oh, okay." }, { "end_time": "10:18", "start_time": "10:16", "text": "My life is in danger here." }, { "end_time": "10:19", "start_time": "10:19", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "10:22", "start_time": "10:20", "text": "Only once in northeast." }, { "end_time": "10:26", "start_time": "10:22", "text": "If you ask me initial combat days, we entered into some, house." }, { "end_time": "10:28", "start_time": "10:26", "text": "It was again fighting a built up area." }, { "end_time": "10:30", "start_time": "10:29", "text": "We were aware people." }, { "end_time": "10:34", "start_time": "10:31", "text": "The input said whether they are in possession of weapon or not, we are not aware." }, { "end_time": "10:35", "start_time": "10:34", "text": "Fine?" }, { "end_time": "10:41", "start_time": "10:36", "text": "So we had assumed all kind of contingency, but we had never thought key it can happen." }, { "end_time": "10:45", "start_time": "10:41", "text": "This way also, the moment you open the door and you will find someone and and a pointing weapon at your head." }, { "end_time": "10:49", "start_time": "10:45", "text": "Now this was something which you had never assumed, but it happened." }, { "end_time": "10:50", "start_time": "10:49", "text": "Murphy's law." }, { "end_time": "10:50", "start_time": "10:50", "text": "It had to happen." }, { "end_time": "10:52", "start_time": "10:50", "text": "Because of the lack of weapons in the northeast?" }, { "end_time": "10:53", "start_time": "10:53", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "10:53", "start_time": "10:53", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "10:53", "start_time": "10:53", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "10:53", "start_time": "10:53", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "10:53", "start_time": "10:53", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "10:56", "start_time": "10:54", "text": "Because the guy was in a very tight situation." }, { "end_time": "10:57", "start_time": "10:56", "text": "His neck was in the nose." }, { "end_time": "10:59", "start_time": "10:57", "text": "There were no outlet to go out of the house." }, { "end_time": "11:00", "start_time": "10:59", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "11:01", "start_time": "11:00", "text": "So he thought there is only one option." }, { "end_time": "11:02", "start_time": "11:01", "text": "At the moment, then I take a first shot." }, { "end_time": "11:04", "start_time": "11:02", "text": "The moment and then you take them by surprise." }, { "end_time": "11:06", "start_time": "11:04", "text": "I think probably that was the mindset." }, { "end_time": "11:09", "start_time": "11:07", "text": "You just enter it and you take it by surprise." }, { "end_time": "11:12", "start_time": "11:10", "text": "So we had never thought in wildest of dreams." }, { "end_time": "11:18", "start_time": "11:12", "text": "The moment we you know, generally, the tendency is you open the door and you throw some grenade and I take wait for some momentary reaction." }, { "end_time": "11:25", "start_time": "11:18", "text": "But, no, the moment we kicked the door and opened it, the guy was bloody stunning with his weapon in his head, and he just put it on the head." }, { "end_time": "11:30", "start_time": "11:25", "text": "And when you face situation and you go black, I went black at least that time for a moment." }, { "end_time": "11:34", "start_time": "11:31", "text": "And maybe luck wasn't my this thing and he pressed the trigger, nothing worked." }, { "end_time": "11:35", "start_time": "11:34", "text": "Maybe the weapon was faulty." }, { "end_time": "11:38", "start_time": "11:35", "text": "There was some technical snag, but it never worked." }, { "end_time": "11:38", "start_time": "11:38", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "11:42", "start_time": "11:38", "text": "But it still took me in a couple of seconds to, you know, master my senses." }, { "end_time": "11:43", "start_time": "11:42", "text": "It happens." }, { "end_time": "11:47", "start_time": "11:43", "text": "Your nerves goes blackout because I never expected it is going to happen." }, { "end_time": "11:49", "start_time": "11:47", "text": "Another guy will be in front of you." }, { "end_time": "11:51", "start_time": "11:49", "text": "What what was going on in your head with this?" }, { "end_time": "11:51", "start_time": "11:51", "text": "Nothing." }, { "end_time": "11:51", "start_time": "11:51", "text": "Nothing." }, { "end_time": "11:54", "start_time": "11:51", "text": "It it went blank because, you know, I was prepared." }, { "end_time": "11:57", "start_time": "11:54", "text": "Once you enter and I'll go this side or that side, this is what I'm going to do." }, { "end_time": "11:59", "start_time": "11:57", "text": "I was part of the room intervention drill." }, { "end_time": "12:01", "start_time": "12:00", "text": "You know, I was in the leading party." }, { "end_time": "12:05", "start_time": "12:01", "text": "But the moment the guy here put the weapon on your head, I went blank." }, { "end_time": "12:07", "start_time": "12:06", "text": "Only for a couple of seconds." }, { "end_time": "12:09", "start_time": "12:07", "text": "And then he also went blank." }, { "end_time": "12:10", "start_time": "12:09", "text": "He was also surprised this didn't work." }, { "end_time": "12:12", "start_time": "12:11", "text": "Then he cocked his weapon again." }, { "end_time": "12:16", "start_time": "12:12", "text": "Meanwhile, those seconds are now good enough to get back to his sensor." }, { "end_time": "12:21", "start_time": "12:16", "text": "And then I had a butt I had given a solid hit on his blood, on nose, and a mouth." }, { "end_time": "12:23", "start_time": "12:21", "text": "Then we were able to check on that guy." }, { "end_time": "12:25", "start_time": "12:23", "text": "I was able to catch him." }, { "end_time": "12:39", "start_time": "12:26", "text": "When you look back at this entire Manipur experience now and we're just at that part of your tenure, at this point of the podcast, when you look back at that entire Manipur experience, what was your one leg learning from it?" }, { "end_time": "12:42", "start_time": "12:39", "text": "Because it was an early part of your army tenure." }, { "end_time": "12:44", "start_time": "12:42", "text": "So, what really stayed with you?" }, { "end_time": "12:46", "start_time": "12:45", "text": "2 things stayed with me." }, { "end_time": "12:49", "start_time": "12:46", "text": "1 from the military perspective and 1 from the civilian perspective." }, { "end_time": "12:55", "start_time": "12:49", "text": "In fact, I'll tell you 3 and one from the Milton or, Milton point of view." }, { "end_time": "12:56", "start_time": "12:55", "text": "3 things." }, { "end_time": "12:58", "start_time": "12:57", "text": "Firstly, about the military point of view." }, { "end_time": "13:00", "start_time": "12:58", "text": "I was serving in a some rifles." }, { "end_time": "13:03", "start_time": "13:00", "text": "I realized they are known as senators of the northeast, an amazing force." }, { "end_time": "13:06", "start_time": "13:03", "text": "You go to one company, you will find people like it as a mini India." }, { "end_time": "13:08", "start_time": "13:06", "text": "I know you are commanding as a company model." }, { "end_time": "13:10", "start_time": "13:08", "text": "People speak multiple languages." }, { "end_time": "13:15", "start_time": "13:10", "text": "People from north, east, west, south, the name is state and the guy you will find within the company." }, { "end_time": "13:20", "start_time": "13:15", "text": "So this is one important force I realized which can operate with great smoothness in any part of the country." }, { "end_time": "13:23", "start_time": "13:21", "text": "Any language interpreter, it is at disposal." }, { "end_time": "13:27", "start_time": "13:23", "text": "And still the beauty was they all used to speak Gorgalli, Nepalese." }, { "end_time": "13:31", "start_time": "13:27", "text": "100% of them, whether it was a Sikh, whether it was a Khalsa or a Thambi." }, { "end_time": "13:33", "start_time": "13:31", "text": "They spoke fluent Nepalese." }, { "end_time": "13:34", "start_time": "13:33", "text": "They had same eating habit." }, { "end_time": "13:35", "start_time": "13:34", "text": "This was something amazing." }, { "end_time": "13:39", "start_time": "13:36", "text": "And experience, there is no substitute for experience." }, { "end_time": "13:42", "start_time": "13:39", "text": "And as some rifle, even Ajman, he serves till the age of 60." }, { "end_time": "13:45", "start_time": "13:42", "text": "There's no other force where people serve till that." }, { "end_time": "13:48", "start_time": "13:45", "text": "So guy imagine a carrying of 40 years of experience." }, { "end_time": "13:52", "start_time": "13:48", "text": "He might not be knowing English, and he might be, you know, a little poor at the weapon handling." }, { "end_time": "13:52", "start_time": "13:52", "text": "Whatever." }, { "end_time": "13:53", "start_time": "13:52", "text": "Age is not in the plus." }, { "end_time": "13:56", "start_time": "13:54", "text": "But experience is something, you know, they can give you the best advice." }, { "end_time": "13:58", "start_time": "13:56", "text": "One of the most professional advice." }, { "end_time": "14:01", "start_time": "13:58", "text": "Like, in terms of, combat situations?" }, { "end_time": "14:01", "start_time": "14:01", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:02", "start_time": "14:01", "text": "In combat situation." }, { "end_time": "14:04", "start_time": "14:02", "text": "I give you one specific example." }, { "end_time": "14:06", "start_time": "14:04", "text": "There were some input we had to go to some place." }, { "end_time": "14:08", "start_time": "14:06", "text": "So I asked boys, man, I go, okay." }, { "end_time": "14:09", "start_time": "14:08", "text": "What are the route?" }, { "end_time": "14:10", "start_time": "14:09", "text": "Who knows map reading?" }, { "end_time": "14:15", "start_time": "14:10", "text": "In special forces, infantry, are you always open map, you know, when you're going to new area?" }, { "end_time": "14:18", "start_time": "14:15", "text": "Assam rifle, I get, got over this." }, { "end_time": "14:19", "start_time": "14:18", "text": "I never used map." }, { "end_time": "14:20", "start_time": "14:19", "text": "I never used GPS." }, { "end_time": "14:20", "start_time": "14:20", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "14:23", "start_time": "14:21", "text": "Because I had, I know walking encyclopedias with me." }, { "end_time": "14:27", "start_time": "14:24", "text": "All I had to ask them, we have to go to location x y zed." }, { "end_time": "14:28", "start_time": "14:28", "text": "What are the routes?" }, { "end_time": "14:30", "start_time": "14:28", "text": "People used to give me multiple options, sir." }, { "end_time": "14:31", "start_time": "14:30", "text": "Four routes." }, { "end_time": "14:34", "start_time": "14:31", "text": "One route, we go, but only small vehicles." }, { "end_time": "14:35", "start_time": "14:34", "text": "Traveling time, so much." }, { "end_time": "14:37", "start_time": "14:36", "text": "Potential threat, this much." }, { "end_time": "14:39", "start_time": "14:38", "text": "There have been 2 incident on this road." }, { "end_time": "14:40", "start_time": "14:39", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "14:43", "start_time": "14:40", "text": "So and so with specific detail, how many casualties, which group, everything." }, { "end_time": "14:45", "start_time": "14:43", "text": "This is the 2nd route, sir, longer route." }, { "end_time": "14:46", "start_time": "14:45", "text": "It is going to take this much time." }, { "end_time": "14:47", "start_time": "14:46", "text": "Plus minus is this." }, { "end_time": "14:50", "start_time": "14:47", "text": "So 3rd route, no vehicle, only by foot." }, { "end_time": "14:55", "start_time": "14:50", "text": "It is going to take shortest, this much time, and these are the advantages and disadvantages." }, { "end_time": "14:56", "start_time": "14:55", "text": "It was amazing." }, { "end_time": "14:59", "start_time": "14:56", "text": "They knew every no corner bridge." }, { "end_time": "15:03", "start_time": "14:59", "text": "They had every detail, you know, printed on their mind." }, { "end_time": "15:08", "start_time": "15:03", "text": "Because they were static, they used to stay in a at multi, they used to stay at one location for many, many years." }, { "end_time": "15:10", "start_time": "15:09", "text": "Subsequently, that rotation thing started." }, { "end_time": "15:14", "start_time": "15:10", "text": "So this is one experience from, combat point of view, army." }, { "end_time": "15:22", "start_time": "15:15", "text": "From militants, I realized that those groups, those who used to operate, they had a very strong, ethical and moral code of conduct." }, { "end_time": "15:22", "start_time": "15:22", "text": "It is amazing." }, { "end_time": "15:26", "start_time": "15:23", "text": "Not even an of theirs when I compare it to the JAN guy." }, { "end_time": "15:30", "start_time": "15:27", "text": "But I've seen any group guy doing any wrong thing in the public against the code of conduct." }, { "end_time": "15:32", "start_time": "15:30", "text": "There used to be the headline in the newspaper." }, { "end_time": "15:36", "start_time": "15:33", "text": "The individual so and so, a card of this group had done something wrong." }, { "end_time": "15:40", "start_time": "15:36", "text": "Apologies on behalf of the commander and organization so and so." }, { "end_time": "15:43", "start_time": "15:40", "text": "We apologize to the public, to the son and daughters of the Manipur." }, { "end_time": "15:48", "start_time": "15:43", "text": "A court of inquiry has been constituted headed by colonel so and so, and this is the board composition." }, { "end_time": "15:55", "start_time": "15:49", "text": "And the entire board proceedings along with the decision that the taken against the individual will be published in the newspaper." }, { "end_time": "15:57", "start_time": "15:56", "text": "They had a strong ethical code." }, { "end_time": "16:01", "start_time": "15:57", "text": "They never did anything wrong to the ladies, to the children, to the elderly people." }, { "end_time": "16:07", "start_time": "16:01", "text": "And even a 4 g officer, if he or Juman, if he was in any public place with his family." }, { "end_time": "16:10", "start_time": "16:08", "text": "They were your walking insurance policy." }, { "end_time": "16:14", "start_time": "16:10", "text": "Give me one example in the world where people have got this kind of code of conduct." }, { "end_time": "16:14", "start_time": "16:14", "text": "You'll not find." }, { "end_time": "16:18", "start_time": "16:14", "text": "I can bet my even pension commission on this." }, { "end_time": "16:28", "start_time": "16:18", "text": "Any jivan or officer, any person, whether it is BSA, police or anyone, you'll not find one single example in the history when people were with their family and anybody has caused any harm to them." }, { "end_time": "16:29", "start_time": "16:28", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "16:30", "start_time": "16:29", "text": "It demands a lot." }, { "end_time": "16:32", "start_time": "16:31", "text": "That is from them." }, { "end_time": "16:34", "start_time": "16:32", "text": "3rd example from the public." }, { "end_time": "16:44", "start_time": "16:35", "text": "Again, if you are being nice to the people, I realized you respect age, you respect gender, children, women, and elderly people." }, { "end_time": "16:46", "start_time": "16:44", "text": "Nothing will happen to you." }, { "end_time": "16:47", "start_time": "16:46", "text": "Nothing against the organization." }, { "end_time": "16:54", "start_time": "16:47", "text": "You have to have a very solid reason, you know, to go against that pulse of the environment, to get on the wrong side so that people go against you." }, { "end_time": "16:56", "start_time": "16:54", "text": "Otherwise, you respect them." }, { "end_time": "16:58", "start_time": "16:56", "text": "I remember I had taken participation in dance." }, { "end_time": "17:05", "start_time": "16:59", "text": "Local dances people do on various occasion with boys and girls holding their hands as a youngster and doing dance on the road." }, { "end_time": "17:08", "start_time": "17:06", "text": "If I remember correctly, that was the dance festival they used to do." }, { "end_time": "17:13", "start_time": "17:08", "text": "I'd gone to the remotest areas to attend up in a marriage function in the night without even carrying a weapon." }, { "end_time": "17:15", "start_time": "17:14", "text": "Just only on the gut feel." }, { "end_time": "17:16", "start_time": "17:15", "text": "Maybe I was wrong." }, { "end_time": "17:17", "start_time": "17:16", "text": "People say you were mad." }, { "end_time": "17:19", "start_time": "17:17", "text": "Of course, I'm okay with it." }, { "end_time": "17:24", "start_time": "17:19", "text": "But I'd attended marriages, where I'd gone there alone, only with the driver." }, { "end_time": "17:29", "start_time": "17:24", "text": "I knew if somebody had extended the invitation to me, man, they are my insurance policy." }, { "end_time": "17:30", "start_time": "17:29", "text": "They will ensure my safety." }, { "end_time": "17:33", "start_time": "17:30", "text": "And they proved me absolutely correct." }, { "end_time": "17:35", "start_time": "17:33", "text": "That was another lessons." }, { "end_time": "17:40", "start_time": "17:35", "text": "The situation in the area is as good or bad as you are." }, { "end_time": "17:42", "start_time": "17:40", "text": "Highly applicable in northeast." }, { "end_time": "17:45", "start_time": "17:42", "text": "That is the third thing what I love from them." }, { "end_time": "17:46", "start_time": "17:45", "text": "So I'll give you three examples." }, { "end_time": "17:50", "start_time": "17:46", "text": "1 from the point of view, 1 from the military, and 1 from the civilian." }, { "end_time": "17:59", "start_time": "17:50", "text": "What would an army veteran like yourself want to say about J and K that the audiences don't know right now, and these are international audiences." }, { "end_time": "18:04", "start_time": "17:59", "text": "And I feel international audiences have a very skewed perspective on the Kashmir situation." }, { "end_time": "18:13", "start_time": "18:05", "text": "But even when it comes to Indian audiences, most of the perspectives are built because of traditional news media, which may not be reporting the truth on ground." }, { "end_time": "18:14", "start_time": "18:13", "text": "You served as well." }, { "end_time": "18:19", "start_time": "18:14", "text": "I feel if there's anyone who should have an opinion, it's the folks who serve there." }, { "end_time": "18:21", "start_time": "18:19", "text": "So where would you even like to begin this conversation?" }, { "end_time": "18:27", "start_time": "18:22", "text": "Ranvir, I'll tell you in a first thing and to the audience, I would say it is very easy to have your opinion." }, { "end_time": "18:31", "start_time": "18:28", "text": "But opinion changes and it changes really damn fast and then when you're on ground." }, { "end_time": "18:37", "start_time": "18:32", "text": "So people should be very clear about there is a hell lot of difference between the real life and the real life." }, { "end_time": "18:42", "start_time": "18:38", "text": "Don't go by what media shows you, what a documentary or the movie shows you." }, { "end_time": "18:46", "start_time": "18:42", "text": "Just go as a tourist, spend some days, and I'll get to know the location." }, { "end_time": "18:48", "start_time": "18:46", "text": "I'll suggest very good exotic locations to them." }, { "end_time": "18:51", "start_time": "18:48", "text": "You should go there and spend some time and never go alone." }, { "end_time": "18:52", "start_time": "18:51", "text": "Go with your family." }, { "end_time": "18:53", "start_time": "18:52", "text": "Then also the opinion changes." }, { "end_time": "18:55", "start_time": "18:54", "text": "You know, when you're going alone, things are different." }, { "end_time": "18:58", "start_time": "18:55", "text": "When you go with your family, that sense of security changes." }, { "end_time": "19:01", "start_time": "18:59", "text": "So don't go with the real life." }, { "end_time": "19:02", "start_time": "19:01", "text": "Go into the real life." }, { "end_time": "19:05", "start_time": "19:02", "text": "Even as a tourist, you're gonna I'm telling you you'll get a hang of it." }, { "end_time": "19:11", "start_time": "19:05", "text": "Imagine in your own country, you're going to place and, but you see every 10 step, there is a guy who's standing there to protect you." }, { "end_time": "19:13", "start_time": "19:12", "text": "And also that you can have a selfie." }, { "end_time": "19:15", "start_time": "19:13", "text": "You're gonna have a comfortable stay there." }, { "end_time": "19:18", "start_time": "19:16", "text": "So everything seems to be ticky ticky boo." }, { "end_time": "19:21", "start_time": "19:18", "text": "But moment and I take out those guys from there." }, { "end_time": "19:23", "start_time": "19:21", "text": "How many guys are there who are going to volunteer?" }, { "end_time": "19:23", "start_time": "19:23", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "19:25", "start_time": "19:23", "text": "I want to go to, you know, No." }, { "end_time": "19:27", "start_time": "19:25", "text": "You will not even cross the tunnel." }, { "end_time": "19:28", "start_time": "19:27", "text": "There is a difference." }, { "end_time": "19:31", "start_time": "19:29", "text": "And the people who are staying in it, I always say, okay." }, { "end_time": "19:34", "start_time": "19:31", "text": "If you want to bring the difference, it is not no man can play and act alone." }, { "end_time": "19:36", "start_time": "19:34", "text": "You know, everyone you require a team, man." }, { "end_time": "19:41", "start_time": "19:36", "text": "When I say team, when we call it a country, it is not only the boots on the ground or the man with the gun." }, { "end_time": "19:42", "start_time": "19:41", "text": "It is the common man." }, { "end_time": "19:43", "start_time": "19:42", "text": "It matters a lot." }, { "end_time": "19:44", "start_time": "19:43", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "19:46", "start_time": "19:44", "text": "They are one of the most important stakeholders." }, { "end_time": "19:48", "start_time": "19:46", "text": "Now things have changed." }, { "end_time": "19:51", "start_time": "19:48", "text": "Those, you know, important sections have been revoked." }, { "end_time": "19:53", "start_time": "19:51", "text": "It had made a lot of difference in the environment." }, { "end_time": "19:55", "start_time": "19:53", "text": "And slowly and slowly, things will change for betterment." }, { "end_time": "19:57", "start_time": "19:55", "text": "You think it's getting cleaned up?" }, { "end_time": "19:57", "start_time": "19:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:00", "start_time": "19:57", "text": "As a military person, I am damn sure about it." }, { "end_time": "20:04", "start_time": "20:00", "text": "The moment, I know it has been devoked, it had made our task a lot of easier." }, { "end_time": "20:07", "start_time": "20:05", "text": "I've seen a time where actually I'm telling you." }, { "end_time": "20:08", "start_time": "20:07", "text": "This is a fact." }, { "end_time": "20:10", "start_time": "20:08", "text": "I I don't know how many people are aware of it." }, { "end_time": "20:14", "start_time": "20:10", "text": "I landed up at the and I saw Indian army and dogs are not allowed." }, { "end_time": "20:16", "start_time": "20:15", "text": "Is that statement acceptable to you?" }, { "end_time": "20:21", "start_time": "20:16", "text": "Imagine being an army and being uniform and you read something like this written on the wall." }, { "end_time": "20:22", "start_time": "20:21", "text": "What state of mind?" }, { "end_time": "20:23", "start_time": "20:22", "text": "And I I was furious." }, { "end_time": "20:27", "start_time": "20:23", "text": "I thought but what you can do?" }, { "end_time": "20:28", "start_time": "20:27", "text": "You don't even know who's written it." }, { "end_time": "20:29", "start_time": "20:28", "text": "And you will find it places." }, { "end_time": "20:35", "start_time": "20:30", "text": "There have been instances when I get a call, he says, I'm moving a dead body of a martyr, and the people have blocked the route." }, { "end_time": "20:36", "start_time": "20:35", "text": "Flight is after 1 hour." }, { "end_time": "20:37", "start_time": "20:36", "text": "What do I do?" }, { "end_time": "20:41", "start_time": "20:37", "text": "I don't know what to do, what your commanding officer is telling you." }, { "end_time": "20:48", "start_time": "20:41", "text": "I can only tell you had I been in your place, may you know I would have gone to an extent to ensure that this body reaches home at the time." }, { "end_time": "20:50", "start_time": "20:48", "text": "Things happen thereafter, of course." }, { "end_time": "20:52", "start_time": "20:50", "text": "But this is the environment I've seen, you know." }, { "end_time": "20:54", "start_time": "20:53", "text": "Indian army dogs are not allowed." }, { "end_time": "20:56", "start_time": "20:54", "text": "I've seen Pakistani flag." }, { "end_time": "20:59", "start_time": "20:58", "text": "Pakistani boat." }, { "end_time": "21:02", "start_time": "21:00", "text": "And you dare not go to places like." }, { "end_time": "21:05", "start_time": "21:03", "text": "Today, you see, there is a at." }, { "end_time": "21:07", "start_time": "21:06", "text": "The perception changes." }, { "end_time": "21:10", "start_time": "21:08", "text": "Those kind of stupid boats are not there." }, { "end_time": "21:13", "start_time": "21:10", "text": "And all those agencies, you know, which were actually creating a lot of havoc." }, { "end_time": "21:15", "start_time": "21:13", "text": "They have been nailed in the bath." }, { "end_time": "21:16", "start_time": "21:16", "text": "And is getting clean." }, { "end_time": "21:18", "start_time": "21:16", "text": "It takes time, of course, to clean anything." }, { "end_time": "21:22", "start_time": "21:21", "text": "So you start from one end." }, { "end_time": "21:24", "start_time": "21:22", "text": "You clean and you start from your home." }, { "end_time": "21:26", "start_time": "21:24", "text": "So I'm sure that the start has been good." }, { "end_time": "21:28", "start_time": "21:26", "text": "And it is going to, go a long way." }, { "end_time": "21:29", "start_time": "21:28", "text": "It might take some time." }, { "end_time": "21:32", "start_time": "21:29", "text": "But what I know, definitely there is a difference." }, { "end_time": "21:34", "start_time": "21:32", "text": "And things are going to improve in days to come." }, { "end_time": "21:37", "start_time": "21:34", "text": "Let's talk a little bit more about combat situation." }, { "end_time": "21:37", "start_time": "21:37", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "21:37", "start_time": "21:37", "text": "Please." }, { "end_time": "21:37", "start_time": "21:37", "text": "Please." }, { "end_time": "21:39", "start_time": "21:38", "text": "Podcast began." }, { "end_time": "21:39", "start_time": "21:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:41", "start_time": "21:39", "text": "And I have many, many, many, many, many more questions." }, { "end_time": "21:45", "start_time": "21:41", "text": "Please ask many, many, many, many more questions, and I'll be answering all of them 1 by 1." }, { "end_time": "21:47", "start_time": "21:45", "text": "Talk about a grenade, sir." }, { "end_time": "21:49", "start_time": "21:47", "text": "Like, what Useless weapon." }, { "end_time": "21:50", "start_time": "21:49", "text": "Useless?" }, { "end_time": "21:51", "start_time": "21:50", "text": "Useless thing." }, { "end_time": "21:51", "start_time": "21:51", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "21:53", "start_time": "21:51", "text": "Why why do you feel this?" }, { "end_time": "21:55", "start_time": "21:54", "text": "Again, Murphy's Law." }, { "end_time": "21:59", "start_time": "21:55", "text": "My experience is, you know, you use it 10 times and it'll go, you know, only one or twice." }, { "end_time": "22:01", "start_time": "21:59", "text": "How raw question again?" }, { "end_time": "22:02", "start_time": "22:01", "text": "Rookie raw question." }, { "end_time": "22:04", "start_time": "22:02", "text": "How big is a grenade explosion?" }, { "end_time": "22:06", "start_time": "22:05", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "22:08", "start_time": "22:06", "text": "It can be you can tamper with the this thing." }, { "end_time": "22:10", "start_time": "22:08", "text": "How kind of what kind of explosion you want?" }, { "end_time": "22:14", "start_time": "22:10", "text": "For example, you throw a grenade, it'll have a certain impact." }, { "end_time": "22:14", "start_time": "22:14", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "22:16", "start_time": "22:14", "text": "There are certain fuses in terms of seconds." }, { "end_time": "22:20", "start_time": "22:16", "text": "And, like, you want grenade to explode in what fraction of second?" }, { "end_time": "22:21", "start_time": "22:20", "text": "3 seconds, 5 seconds, what second?" }, { "end_time": "22:23", "start_time": "22:21", "text": "So you So accordingly, you take out a pen." }, { "end_time": "22:24", "start_time": "22:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:25", "start_time": "22:24", "text": "I think that is 1." }, { "end_time": "22:27", "start_time": "22:25", "text": "2nd, it is very sensitive in nature." }, { "end_time": "22:32", "start_time": "22:27", "text": "My experience is you throw it and it never goes off at the time." }, { "end_time": "22:36", "start_time": "22:32", "text": "And it is not something which you actually very much used in routine." }, { "end_time": "22:38", "start_time": "22:37", "text": "We used to always carry as for the sick line." }, { "end_time": "22:41", "start_time": "22:38", "text": "I get 2 you carry in these pouches, you carry in these pouches." }, { "end_time": "22:44", "start_time": "22:41", "text": "But very rarely you get a chance to use it actually." }, { "end_time": "22:46", "start_time": "22:44", "text": "And it doesn't go off, then it is a blind." }, { "end_time": "22:51", "start_time": "22:46", "text": "And when you need to dispose off later on, you need to dispose it off." }, { "end_time": "22:52", "start_time": "22:51", "text": "Dispose off." }, { "end_time": "22:53", "start_time": "22:52", "text": "You can't leave it blind." }, { "end_time": "22:56", "start_time": "22:53", "text": "It'll go and harm some, you know, animal or anyone who's passing." }, { "end_time": "22:57", "start_time": "22:56", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "22:59", "start_time": "22:57", "text": "So you need to take care of that thing to rule out any possibility." }, { "end_time": "23:03", "start_time": "23:00", "text": "To avoid any first unforeseen contingency, you need to dispose it off." }, { "end_time": "23:04", "start_time": "23:03", "text": "So what do you do?" }, { "end_time": "23:10", "start_time": "23:05", "text": "And now you place some cortex, detonator, and so that it is blown off." }, { "end_time": "23:20", "start_time": "23:11", "text": "If there is a detonator, cortex, and I, do some digging and put it in the, you know, ground, the impact will be doubled." }, { "end_time": "23:24", "start_time": "23:20", "text": "If I tie a knot in the cortex and a 2 knots impact will be even more." }, { "end_time": "23:26", "start_time": "23:25", "text": "So you can change certain thing." }, { "end_time": "23:28", "start_time": "23:27", "text": "Part of your training." }, { "end_time": "23:29", "start_time": "23:28", "text": "But, I don't consider." }, { "end_time": "23:30", "start_time": "23:29", "text": "I'm not never been fascinated." }, { "end_time": "23:31", "start_time": "23:30", "text": "I'm sure 100%." }, { "end_time": "23:35", "start_time": "23:32", "text": "You ask any, army personnel, they say, this is one weapon." }, { "end_time": "23:36", "start_time": "23:35", "text": "I can do away with it." }, { "end_time": "23:38", "start_time": "23:36", "text": "And then not that you're not comfortable." }, { "end_time": "23:39", "start_time": "23:38", "text": "We we don't find it very effective." }, { "end_time": "23:43", "start_time": "23:39", "text": "How big is the explosion or how strong is the explosion?" }, { "end_time": "23:46", "start_time": "23:43", "text": "See, for any weapon, there is a template." }, { "end_time": "23:49", "start_time": "23:46", "text": "Template means every weapon has been designed in a manner." }, { "end_time": "23:51", "start_time": "23:49", "text": "It has got a killing zone." }, { "end_time": "23:52", "start_time": "23:52", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "23:53", "start_time": "23:52", "text": "There is effect." }, { "end_time": "23:58", "start_time": "23:53", "text": "It'll go only up to a meter or diameter or second prints of this area, anything." }, { "end_time": "24:02", "start_time": "23:59", "text": "When you are thrown it, the splinter will go only up to this area and cause a damage." }, { "end_time": "24:05", "start_time": "24:02", "text": "Beyond that area, if you're standing in, it'll not reach you also." }, { "end_time": "24:07", "start_time": "24:05", "text": "It's roughly about 2 meters?" }, { "end_time": "24:09", "start_time": "24:08", "text": "It depends." }, { "end_time": "24:11", "start_time": "24:09", "text": "In terms of distance, it also depends on the angle." }, { "end_time": "24:14", "start_time": "24:11", "text": "May not even be 2 meters or maybe 3 meters also." }, { "end_time": "24:15", "start_time": "24:14", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "24:17", "start_time": "24:15", "text": "There are a lot of factors which comes into play." }, { "end_time": "24:22", "start_time": "24:17", "text": "But when you are training someone to be in a combat situation with a grenade, what is the training given to that person?" }, { "end_time": "24:25", "start_time": "24:22", "text": "Like, in what situation are they supposed to use it?" }, { "end_time": "24:25", "start_time": "24:25", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "24:33", "start_time": "24:27", "text": "You can use it, when somebody is hiding in a situation in a open ground, but on the other side of the cliff or something." }, { "end_time": "24:33", "start_time": "24:33", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "24:37", "start_time": "24:34", "text": "Where you know, yes, you can throw it and can cause damage." }, { "end_time": "24:37", "start_time": "24:37", "text": "That is 1." }, { "end_time": "24:39", "start_time": "24:38", "text": "2nd for the bunker clearance." }, { "end_time": "24:39", "start_time": "24:39", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "24:42", "start_time": "24:39", "text": "You are getting, like, in Cargill and other places you've seen." }, { "end_time": "24:43", "start_time": "24:43", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "24:51", "start_time": "24:44", "text": "When somebody is taking a pinpoint shot and causing a heavy damage to the troops, and you see all you see is a loophole." }, { "end_time": "24:55", "start_time": "24:52", "text": "That is one area you can, you know, actually cause damage to the enemy." }, { "end_time": "24:57", "start_time": "24:55", "text": "But I give you today, we have got better option." }, { "end_time": "25:00", "start_time": "24:57", "text": "Weapon like AGL, pinpoint precision." }, { "end_time": "25:00", "start_time": "25:00", "text": "What is that?" }, { "end_time": "25:02", "start_time": "25:00", "text": "AGL is automatic grenade launcher." }, { "end_time": "25:03", "start_time": "25:02", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "25:03", "start_time": "25:03", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "25:05", "start_time": "25:03", "text": "It it has got a tripod, so a lot of stability." }, { "end_time": "25:10", "start_time": "25:06", "text": "Then it has got, you know, lot of ammunition is in inside the box." }, { "end_time": "25:12", "start_time": "25:10", "text": "You set the target, there are, instruments." }, { "end_time": "25:19", "start_time": "25:12", "text": "You set the target, and you can send an up to even a distance of, you know, many meters, you know, 800 meter, 900 meter." }, { "end_time": "25:21", "start_time": "25:19", "text": "You set that alignment there." }, { "end_time": "25:23", "start_time": "25:21", "text": "It is so damn effective and precise." }, { "end_time": "25:30", "start_time": "25:23", "text": "I tell you, even in small box of 1 feet by 1 feet or even lesser than that, it'll go pinpoint short into that bunker from such a distance." }, { "end_time": "25:31", "start_time": "25:30", "text": "Like a grenade gun." }, { "end_time": "25:32", "start_time": "25:31", "text": "It's a grenade gun." }, { "end_time": "25:33", "start_time": "25:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:35", "start_time": "25:33", "text": "You can see in layman language, grenade gun." }, { "end_time": "25:36", "start_time": "25:35", "text": "But it is so very sophisticated." }, { "end_time": "25:38", "start_time": "25:36", "text": "Even the mosquito comes in in between." }, { "end_time": "25:42", "start_time": "25:39", "text": "After it had traveled that prime distance and it gets primed, and it'll go off." }, { "end_time": "25:43", "start_time": "25:42", "text": "But very effective." }, { "end_time": "25:46", "start_time": "25:43", "text": "So why to use grenade when you can use from a large distance?" }, { "end_time": "25:49", "start_time": "25:46", "text": "Is is it the same as, like, a bazooka in some ways?" }, { "end_time": "25:50", "start_time": "25:49", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "25:51", "start_time": "25:50", "text": "I'll show you the picture." }, { "end_time": "25:53", "start_time": "25:51", "text": "I'll explain it to you, what it looks like, and how it works." }, { "end_time": "25:56", "start_time": "25:53", "text": "Is there something like a bazooka or missile launchers that No." }, { "end_time": "25:56", "start_time": "25:56", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "25:56", "start_time": "25:56", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "25:56", "start_time": "25:56", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "25:56", "start_time": "25:56", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "25:56", "start_time": "25:56", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "25:56", "start_time": "25:56", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "25:56", "start_time": "25:56", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "25:57", "start_time": "25:56", "text": "See." }, { "end_time": "25:59", "start_time": "25:58", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "25:59", "start_time": "25:59", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "26:01", "start_time": "25:59", "text": "I'm not I'm not talking this tripod of yours?" }, { "end_time": "26:03", "start_time": "26:01", "text": "This is it is something it it has got a tripod." }, { "end_time": "26:04", "start_time": "26:03", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "26:06", "start_time": "26:04", "text": "Two legs in the front, one in the back." }, { "end_time": "26:08", "start_time": "26:06", "text": "And then it is very simple." }, { "end_time": "26:09", "start_time": "26:08", "text": "You see used muzzle." }, { "end_time": "26:10", "start_time": "26:09", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "26:10", "start_time": "26:10", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "26:14", "start_time": "26:10", "text": "And then certain instrument where you do the calculation, do the settings." }, { "end_time": "26:15", "start_time": "26:14", "text": "And there is a cord." }, { "end_time": "26:20", "start_time": "26:15", "text": "You pull the lever, and do all you need to do, you don't even have to look at the target." }, { "end_time": "26:23", "start_time": "26:20", "text": "Now you just have a rough look once you've done the setting and you just press the button." }, { "end_time": "26:24", "start_time": "26:23", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "26:26", "start_time": "26:24", "text": "You feel nothing and very smooth." }, { "end_time": "26:27", "start_time": "26:26", "text": "It goes and hit the target." }, { "end_time": "26:29", "start_time": "26:28", "text": "Parallelly." }, { "end_time": "26:29", "start_time": "26:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:35", "start_time": "26:29", "text": "Like, does the Indian military today also use, like again, I'm just trying to get a better understanding of the weaponry used." }, { "end_time": "26:42", "start_time": "26:36", "text": "Because our as as civilians, our only informational weapons comes from video games pretty much." }, { "end_time": "26:49", "start_time": "26:42", "text": "Like Call of Duty, Counter Strike, these kind of games where, you know, there are bazookas or missile launchers, there are flamethrowers." }, { "end_time": "26:52", "start_time": "26:50", "text": "Are these kind of Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:54", "start_time": "26:52", "text": "Weapons apart of All can be weapons are there." }, { "end_time": "27:01", "start_time": "26:54", "text": "It is only, you know, as per the requirement of the as per the operational requirement and the role in nature and employment of the force." }, { "end_time": "27:05", "start_time": "27:01", "text": "Like, an RR will be heavy oriented toward a particular weapon." }, { "end_time": "27:07", "start_time": "27:05", "text": "For specific reasons, I'm not naming the weapon." }, { "end_time": "27:07", "start_time": "27:07", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "27:09", "start_time": "27:07", "text": "SFS got a special requirement." }, { "end_time": "27:11", "start_time": "27:09", "text": "You know, they operate in small teams." }, { "end_time": "27:15", "start_time": "27:11", "text": "Whether it is combination, they need to be in lightweight, long range." }, { "end_time": "27:16", "start_time": "27:15", "text": "And the weapon." }, { "end_time": "27:20", "start_time": "27:16", "text": "When you're going in a fighting in a built up area, I always prefer to to carry a pistol." }, { "end_time": "27:21", "start_time": "27:20", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "27:29", "start_time": "27:21", "text": "The the houses are there, small rooms, and if you carry a big weapon and you think you will do wonders, you know, the moment you enter, somebody will catch from the muzzle only and take care of you." }, { "end_time": "27:35", "start_time": "27:29", "text": "Smaller, it gives me more swiftness and but then, you know, it is very difficult to take a shot from the pistol from a close distance also." }, { "end_time": "27:36", "start_time": "27:35", "text": "Close quarters." }, { "end_time": "27:37", "start_time": "27:36", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "27:37", "start_time": "27:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:41", "start_time": "27:37", "text": "There's a lot of joke you get when you fire a you know, accuracy is less." }, { "end_time": "27:45", "start_time": "27:41", "text": "It gives you the moment and even if you hold with 2 hands, a lot of practice." }, { "end_time": "27:47", "start_time": "27:45", "text": "It gives you a lot of jerk." }, { "end_time": "27:51", "start_time": "27:47", "text": "The other weapon and then, like, AK 47, it comes with a butt." }, { "end_time": "27:52", "start_time": "27:51", "text": "It comes with a folded butt." }, { "end_time": "27:54", "start_time": "27:52", "text": "You take, a support on your shoulder." }, { "end_time": "27:55", "start_time": "27:54", "text": "It gives you a lot of stability." }, { "end_time": "27:57", "start_time": "27:55", "text": "Your shoulder is holding it from here." }, { "end_time": "28:00", "start_time": "27:57", "text": "You're holding it from the front and you take a pen shot." }, { "end_time": "28:02", "start_time": "28:00", "text": "So comfort zone." }, { "end_time": "28:04", "start_time": "28:02", "text": "Like, in close quarters, I always use special." }, { "end_time": "28:09", "start_time": "28:04", "text": "And when you're going to, say, ops, and it is a little open kind of area, the preference was AK 4756." }, { "end_time": "28:13", "start_time": "28:11", "text": "So every unit has got a weapon profile." }, { "end_time": "28:15", "start_time": "28:13", "text": "There is a in organization, it has been clearly stated." }, { "end_time": "28:20", "start_time": "28:16", "text": "What all weapons and equipments are authorized to a particular unit." }, { "end_time": "28:25", "start_time": "28:21", "text": "Every unit has got a authorization set, and they use those weapons." }, { "end_time": "28:35", "start_time": "28:25", "text": "Foreign military, the American military or the British military, other weapons that they use significantly better than the Indian military because what I have understood about the Indian military is that where Jugaru is even there." }, { "end_time": "28:37", "start_time": "28:35", "text": "And, like, we kind of alter weapons to make them better." }, { "end_time": "28:41", "start_time": "28:38", "text": "That's the that's a very limited understanding, but that's what I have understood." }, { "end_time": "28:46", "start_time": "28:42", "text": "Am I right in saying that that the Indian military is a lot about engineering better weapons?" }, { "end_time": "28:53", "start_time": "28:49", "text": "I don't know whether it is a correct answer to your question, but definitely I would like to make one statement." }, { "end_time": "28:58", "start_time": "28:54", "text": "Weapon, equipment, communication profile, whatever it may be." }, { "end_time": "29:02", "start_time": "28:58", "text": "But the biggest brand and the best brand in the entire world is Indian Army." }, { "end_time": "29:04", "start_time": "29:02", "text": "I'm damn clear on this." }, { "end_time": "29:05", "start_time": "29:04", "text": "We are the only force." }, { "end_time": "29:07", "start_time": "29:05", "text": "History has been testimony." }, { "end_time": "29:16", "start_time": "29:07", "text": "Our soldiers are the only potent and the capable soldiers who can actually fight a battle and are just surviving on water, jaggery, and." }, { "end_time": "29:17", "start_time": "29:17", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "29:20", "start_time": "29:17", "text": "No other and a soldier is capable to do these wonders." }, { "end_time": "29:21", "start_time": "29:20", "text": "Our scam." }, { "end_time": "29:22", "start_time": "29:21", "text": "They've done it number of times." }, { "end_time": "29:23", "start_time": "29:22", "text": "Endurance." }, { "end_time": "29:23", "start_time": "29:23", "text": "Endurance." }, { "end_time": "29:24", "start_time": "29:23", "text": "Mental or physical." }, { "end_time": "29:27", "start_time": "29:24", "text": "You know, the emotions, I know they've worked with." }, { "end_time": "29:30", "start_time": "29:27", "text": "No soldier our soldiers are unparalleled." }, { "end_time": "29:31", "start_time": "29:30", "text": "They're amazing." }, { "end_time": "29:33", "start_time": "29:32", "text": "No requirement." }, { "end_time": "29:33", "start_time": "29:33", "text": "Nothing." }, { "end_time": "29:37", "start_time": "29:33", "text": "In the name of the country, people don't even think about their families when it comes to actually duty." }, { "end_time": "29:40", "start_time": "29:38", "text": "I had realized I'd gone through one instance myself." }, { "end_time": "29:43", "start_time": "29:42", "text": "Tomorrow, bloody will do this." }, { "end_time": "29:46", "start_time": "29:44", "text": "Emotions, we are soldiers, I'm telling you." }, { "end_time": "29:48", "start_time": "29:46", "text": "Nobody knows their." }, { "end_time": "29:50", "start_time": "29:48", "text": "You must have seen a young boy, Khalsa." }, { "end_time": "29:50", "start_time": "29:50", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "29:53", "start_time": "29:51", "text": "But he fell down from this thing again, came back." }, { "end_time": "29:54", "start_time": "29:53", "text": "Tide is stubborn." }, { "end_time": "29:57", "start_time": "29:54", "text": "Again, taken by a number of people and had their happiness." }, { "end_time": "30:02", "start_time": "29:58", "text": "And when the body was taken, the mother is carrying in the body of that soldier." }, { "end_time": "30:03", "start_time": "30:02", "text": "Where do you get mothers like this?" }, { "end_time": "30:06", "start_time": "30:03", "text": "Weapon profile, I told you, and I keep on changing." }, { "end_time": "30:08", "start_time": "30:06", "text": "Men, it is always the men behind the machine." }, { "end_time": "30:10", "start_time": "30:08", "text": "Our boys are the best." }, { "end_time": "30:11", "start_time": "30:10", "text": "No doubt about it." }, { "end_time": "30:19", "start_time": "30:12", "text": "I would just like to ask you a little bit about, what airborne even means." }, { "end_time": "30:22", "start_time": "30:20", "text": "People don't understand these words, sir." }, { "end_time": "30:28", "start_time": "30:22", "text": "Like, it it kind of took me some time to even understand exactly what special forces and para SF is." }, { "end_time": "30:30", "start_time": "30:28", "text": "And we had a lot of para SF personnel on the show." }, { "end_time": "30:36", "start_time": "30:31", "text": "So I'd like you to kind of give us this essay, from wherever you wish to start." }, { "end_time": "30:37", "start_time": "30:36", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "30:42", "start_time": "30:37", "text": "I'll give you only an outline for the show because of the, you know, specific reasons." }, { "end_time": "30:48", "start_time": "30:43", "text": "Airborne force as the name suggests only something in which operates in the air from the air." }, { "end_time": "30:49", "start_time": "30:48", "text": "Airborne." }, { "end_time": "30:55", "start_time": "30:50", "text": "The working methodology, the reach, the penetration is absolutely unparalleled." }, { "end_time": "30:59", "start_time": "30:55", "text": "In airborne unit, you will find, people who are capable." }, { "end_time": "31:08", "start_time": "30:59", "text": "Every single guy is capable to come out of the aircraft at the speed of 600 with complete loaded with the weapon and everything." }, { "end_time": "31:10", "start_time": "31:08", "text": "Others unit might not have that luxury." }, { "end_time": "31:16", "start_time": "31:10", "text": "There might be some people who are qualified to do combat free fall, military free fall, or the static line jumps." }, { "end_time": "31:21", "start_time": "31:16", "text": "But in airborne, every man who is walking on the ground is capable of jumping irrespective of the terrain." }, { "end_time": "31:26", "start_time": "31:22", "text": "Airborne are those forces and I'd like, you must, have seen one example." }, { "end_time": "31:29", "start_time": "31:26", "text": "You have seen airborne operation happening in Russia, Ukraine conflict." }, { "end_time": "31:32", "start_time": "31:29", "text": "A thousand of the parachute opening up in the air in one go." }, { "end_time": "31:39", "start_time": "31:32", "text": "Whether they're thereafter it is your logistics, it is your weapons, it is your equipment, everything is dropped down through air." }, { "end_time": "31:41", "start_time": "31:40", "text": "It requires a lot of tremendous practice." }, { "end_time": "31:45", "start_time": "31:41", "text": "More than anything, you require a lot of zigra and a heart, a strong heart to do this thing." }, { "end_time": "31:48", "start_time": "31:45", "text": "You can be told to operate in jungles." }, { "end_time": "31:49", "start_time": "31:48", "text": "It can be urban area." }, { "end_time": "31:52", "start_time": "31:49", "text": "It can be absolutely god forbidden zone." }, { "end_time": "31:56", "start_time": "31:52", "text": "High altitude areas, snow covered peaks, anywhere and everywhere you can do." }, { "end_time": "31:58", "start_time": "31:56", "text": "Every man will jump." }, { "end_time": "31:59", "start_time": "31:58", "text": "That is airborne forces." }, { "end_time": "32:02", "start_time": "31:59", "text": "Otherwise, operation aspect you are, there are a hell lot of things." }, { "end_time": "32:05", "start_time": "32:02", "text": "Again, we'll talk about it." }, { "end_time": "32:06", "start_time": "32:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:09", "start_time": "32:06", "text": "But why is there a specific force for this?" }, { "end_time": "32:16", "start_time": "32:09", "text": "And my assumption before this particular episode was that Parasaf would take care of all because they have para in their name as well." }, { "end_time": "32:21", "start_time": "32:17", "text": "So I didn't know that there was a separate, like, force until, like, we did research on this episode." }, { "end_time": "32:27", "start_time": "32:22", "text": "See, para has got a specific, role, You know?" }, { "end_time": "32:29", "start_time": "32:27", "text": "Their weapon profile and equipment profile is different." }, { "end_time": "32:34", "start_time": "32:30", "text": "Special forces, again, have got a mandated charter of duty, and they operate in their own functionality." }, { "end_time": "32:37", "start_time": "32:34", "text": "In small team, they carry out, you know, specific operations." }, { "end_time": "32:41", "start_time": "32:37", "text": "And, wrecking surveillance is their, you know, forte." }, { "end_time": "32:45", "start_time": "32:41", "text": "When it comes to airborne, this is something in a journey not to be spoken." }, { "end_time": "32:47", "start_time": "32:46", "text": "Least known, the better, the kind of a thing." }, { "end_time": "32:53", "start_time": "32:47", "text": "But the penetration, you know, is absolutely amazing." }, { "end_time": "32:55", "start_time": "32:54", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "32:58", "start_time": "32:55", "text": "It is said in our fraternity." }, { "end_time": "33:00", "start_time": "32:58", "text": "We don't exist so that you can." }, { "end_time": "33:03", "start_time": "33:01", "text": "So that is how it is." }, { "end_time": "33:05", "start_time": "33:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:05", "start_time": "33:05", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "33:06", "start_time": "33:06", "text": "Fair." }, { "end_time": "33:12", "start_time": "33:07", "text": "Are you comfortable talking a little bit about maybe a very difficult operation you had?" }, { "end_time": "33:13", "start_time": "33:12", "text": "Not in detail." }, { "end_time": "33:13", "start_time": "33:13", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "33:18", "start_time": "33:13", "text": "But if you could just give us a brief outline, maybe the kind of terrain you've had to encounter." }, { "end_time": "33:21", "start_time": "33:20", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "33:22", "start_time": "33:21", "text": "I can." }, { "end_time": "33:32", "start_time": "33:22", "text": "I'm assuming that say if you're, landing in a thick jungle, it could be dangerous because you don't have a clean landing spot." }, { "end_time": "33:32", "start_time": "33:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:33", "start_time": "33:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:34", "start_time": "33:33", "text": "See, there are 2 kind of thing." }, { "end_time": "33:39", "start_time": "33:34", "text": "Of course, when you do operations, like, normally what people do, they count on a certain percentage." }, { "end_time": "33:41", "start_time": "33:40", "text": "That is called the casualty rate." }, { "end_time": "33:46", "start_time": "33:41", "text": "Given you're jumping from the aircraft, probably, you know, so many people will probably not make it." }, { "end_time": "33:47", "start_time": "33:46", "text": "That that's a part." }, { "end_time": "33:49", "start_time": "33:47", "text": "That's part of the That's that's an understanding that you might die." }, { "end_time": "33:53", "start_time": "33:49", "text": "See, there are has to be mathematics, has to be pure calculations, you know." }, { "end_time": "33:57", "start_time": "33:53", "text": "If we go for a match of football, you know, okay, the 11th is the strength of the team." }, { "end_time": "33:58", "start_time": "33:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:05", "start_time": "33:58", "text": "You require one reserve for the goalkeeper as well as you require few reserves, And as a player in the defense in the forward line, same way." }, { "end_time": "34:10", "start_time": "34:05", "text": "If you're planning out any operation, be it any unit for that matter, RR, SF, airborne, any anything." }, { "end_time": "34:14", "start_time": "34:11", "text": "There has to be a parameter for the, you know, selection." }, { "end_time": "34:18", "start_time": "34:14", "text": "There has to be a parameter for, you know, working out the strength." }, { "end_time": "34:25", "start_time": "34:18", "text": "So, you know, if you're working for example, if you are jumping in a jungle, if you are jumping into a altitude area, what do you think?" }, { "end_time": "34:27", "start_time": "34:25", "text": "And every guy is successfully coming to the ground." }, { "end_time": "34:29", "start_time": "34:27", "text": "He might not get a clear landing zone." }, { "end_time": "34:32", "start_time": "34:30", "text": "He might just go and hit himself into the mountain." }, { "end_time": "34:33", "start_time": "34:32", "text": "He's crashed." }, { "end_time": "34:33", "start_time": "34:33", "text": "He's dead." }, { "end_time": "34:39", "start_time": "34:35", "text": "So you work on a certain percentage and believe me, that percentage is the highest in airborne operations." }, { "end_time": "34:45", "start_time": "34:40", "text": "So if you take some figure and you discount a heavy number of them, they're not going to make it." }, { "end_time": "34:47", "start_time": "34:45", "text": "Lucky are those who even come to the ground." }, { "end_time": "34:50", "start_time": "34:47", "text": "And those set of people now, they have to do the job for the balance of the guys also." }, { "end_time": "34:51", "start_time": "34:50", "text": "It's not that easy." }, { "end_time": "34:53", "start_time": "34:52", "text": "There have been operation." }, { "end_time": "34:56", "start_time": "34:54", "text": "Giving you one this thing there was an operation we landed up." }, { "end_time": "35:03", "start_time": "34:56", "text": "And, as for the input and everything, the it was about 3 hour journey to that location." }, { "end_time": "35:06", "start_time": "35:04", "text": "Believe me, it took 36 hours." }, { "end_time": "35:13", "start_time": "35:07", "text": "36 hours because what you see in the map but the actual condition, what you see on the ground are damn very different." }, { "end_time": "35:14", "start_time": "35:13", "text": "36 hours." }, { "end_time": "35:16", "start_time": "35:14", "text": "A lot of people, they got exhausted." }, { "end_time": "35:18", "start_time": "35:17", "text": "Couple of them, they got dehydrated." }, { "end_time": "35:20", "start_time": "35:19", "text": "Water was over." }, { "end_time": "35:21", "start_time": "35:20", "text": "There was a muddy water." }, { "end_time": "35:24", "start_time": "35:21", "text": "That was the only choice, and we really it was tasty." }, { "end_time": "35:26", "start_time": "35:24", "text": "Because we were thirsty, we enjoyed it." }, { "end_time": "35:30", "start_time": "35:26", "text": "And there were a lot of anticipation that we'll face leeches and other thing." }, { "end_time": "35:34", "start_time": "35:31", "text": "Salt and everything got washed away in the river in Nala when we crossed." }, { "end_time": "35:37", "start_time": "35:34", "text": "There was not even a place where even one guy could stop." }, { "end_time": "35:40", "start_time": "35:37", "text": "We had to cut it, make the root, and then go there." }, { "end_time": "35:44", "start_time": "35:41", "text": "After 36 hours, we landed up and do the wiping up and cleaning up." }, { "end_time": "35:46", "start_time": "35:44", "text": "But 36 hours is a hell lot of time." }, { "end_time": "35:49", "start_time": "35:46", "text": "And then you need to 18 hours going one way, and then 18 hours coming back." }, { "end_time": "35:52", "start_time": "35:49", "text": "But once you've done the task, then the motivation level is very high." }, { "end_time": "35:58", "start_time": "35:52", "text": "Then, the distance, the root, the degree of difficulty every is on a very low scale." }, { "end_time": "35:59", "start_time": "35:58", "text": "We are happy you did it." }, { "end_time": "36:02", "start_time": "35:59", "text": "So the survival aspect was very difficult in this opening." }, { "end_time": "36:04", "start_time": "36:02", "text": "The instinct for survival itself is a great motivation here." }, { "end_time": "36:05", "start_time": "36:04", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "36:07", "start_time": "36:05", "text": "There's more situation like this in commando." }, { "end_time": "36:09", "start_time": "36:07", "text": "Musial work, commando sucked." }, { "end_time": "36:11", "start_time": "36:09", "text": "And it cannot happen other way around." }, { "end_time": "36:12", "start_time": "36:11", "text": "Musial work then commando passed." }, { "end_time": "36:14", "start_time": "36:12", "text": "It cannot happen that way." }, { "end_time": "36:16", "start_time": "36:14", "text": "And that feeling, you know, that you need to go back home." }, { "end_time": "36:25", "start_time": "36:16", "text": "I always do tell my people, even if it is operation, you know, whether it is with the unit or a of now some rifles or the unit I commanded in special forces airborne." }, { "end_time": "36:28", "start_time": "36:26", "text": "10 men are going, all 10 will come back." }, { "end_time": "36:29", "start_time": "36:28", "text": "That feeling always there." }, { "end_time": "36:32", "start_time": "36:29", "text": "I always would tell them that they are going, all 10 will come back." }, { "end_time": "36:36", "start_time": "36:32", "text": "Even if one guy is not going to make it now, believe me, that will be me, but you will come back." }, { "end_time": "36:37", "start_time": "36:36", "text": "I'll ensure this." }, { "end_time": "36:40", "start_time": "36:38", "text": "Thereafter, what I'd seen, they always used to ensure." }, { "end_time": "36:41", "start_time": "36:40", "text": "And they always to look after me." }, { "end_time": "36:43", "start_time": "36:41", "text": "Just take care of yourself." }, { "end_time": "36:45", "start_time": "36:43", "text": "Don't, don't take care of yourself." }, { "end_time": "36:49", "start_time": "36:45", "text": "Take care of the guy who's on to your left, your right, and your front and back." }, { "end_time": "36:51", "start_time": "36:50", "text": "You'll be very safe." }, { "end_time": "36:55", "start_time": "36:51", "text": "Eventually, there are 4 guys and we're taking care of you from all the corners." }, { "end_time": "36:56", "start_time": "36:55", "text": "There was no issue only." }, { "end_time": "36:59", "start_time": "36:57", "text": "What is the criteria for selection for airborne?" }, { "end_time": "37:06", "start_time": "37:01", "text": "Again, like I said, first, you have to volunteer and then you have to be willing." }, { "end_time": "37:12", "start_time": "37:09", "text": "In any other other unit, and I you can be posted as a commanding officer." }, { "end_time": "37:13", "start_time": "37:12", "text": "I got a letter." }, { "end_time": "37:15", "start_time": "37:13", "text": "I I got a call from them." }, { "end_time": "37:17", "start_time": "37:15", "text": "They said, sir, are you volunteer?" }, { "end_time": "37:20", "start_time": "37:17", "text": "Why are you asking that question even to me?" }, { "end_time": "37:23", "start_time": "37:20", "text": "This is because we can't post you there until unless you confirm to me." }, { "end_time": "37:24", "start_time": "37:23", "text": "Just hold on." }, { "end_time": "37:27", "start_time": "37:25", "text": "So I immediately replied back to him to SMS key." }, { "end_time": "37:29", "start_time": "37:27", "text": "Refer our ongoing conversation." }, { "end_time": "37:32", "start_time": "37:29", "text": "I'm I written in capital bold and underline." }, { "end_time": "37:35", "start_time": "37:33", "text": "Ma'am, volunteer, and I'm willing." }, { "end_time": "37:36", "start_time": "37:35", "text": "But now, see, you got the message." }, { "end_time": "37:37", "start_time": "37:36", "text": "Yes, sir." }, { "end_time": "37:39", "start_time": "37:37", "text": "I'm in." }, { "end_time": "37:41", "start_time": "37:39", "text": "So you need to be voluntary and willing." }, { "end_time": "37:45", "start_time": "37:41", "text": "And then you need to undergo that provision, and then you need to do your para course." }, { "end_time": "37:48", "start_time": "37:46", "text": "Once you're done with this, you qualify, then you are there." }, { "end_time": "37:50", "start_time": "37:48", "text": "And at any point in time, somebody says, no, sir." }, { "end_time": "37:51", "start_time": "37:50", "text": "This I find difficult." }, { "end_time": "37:52", "start_time": "37:51", "text": "I can't do." }, { "end_time": "37:53", "start_time": "37:52", "text": "Please, you're not welcome there." }, { "end_time": "37:54", "start_time": "37:53", "text": "Then you go back." }, { "end_time": "37:57", "start_time": "37:54", "text": "Are there physical traits that are preferred?" }, { "end_time": "37:58", "start_time": "37:58", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "38:02", "start_time": "37:58", "text": "There are no physical traits as which are endorsed on the paper, but you need to prove everything on the ground." }, { "end_time": "38:04", "start_time": "38:02", "text": "On paper, it might be in a 20 odd list." }, { "end_time": "38:07", "start_time": "38:04", "text": "Maybe in a people not even having 2 of them." }, { "end_time": "38:07", "start_time": "38:07", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "38:08", "start_time": "38:07", "text": "So on paper, we don't believe." }, { "end_time": "38:09", "start_time": "38:08", "text": "Everything is on ground." }, { "end_time": "38:12", "start_time": "38:09", "text": "You prove your worth on ground and you are acceptable." }, { "end_time": "38:13", "start_time": "38:13", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "38:16", "start_time": "38:15", "text": "Does every jump change you?" }, { "end_time": "38:17", "start_time": "38:16", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "38:19", "start_time": "38:17", "text": "Every jump is a new jump." }, { "end_time": "38:21", "start_time": "38:19", "text": "Every combat experience, the contact is a new experience." }, { "end_time": "38:25", "start_time": "38:23", "text": "Even within one jump, I tell you." }, { "end_time": "38:29", "start_time": "38:25", "text": "Like, for example, when you are in the aircraft, there are 3 examples I can quote." }, { "end_time": "38:32", "start_time": "38:29", "text": "1, you are standing in the front." }, { "end_time": "38:34", "start_time": "38:33", "text": "This is 1." }, { "end_time": "38:39", "start_time": "38:34", "text": "2nd, there's a trail of 41 guys, 42 guys, 21 on each side." }, { "end_time": "38:40", "start_time": "38:39", "text": "Then you are in the center." }, { "end_time": "38:42", "start_time": "38:40", "text": "And then you are in the last of the strike." }, { "end_time": "38:46", "start_time": "38:43", "text": "One column which is sitting on the other side is called as a strike." }, { "end_time": "38:50", "start_time": "38:46", "text": "So the mind makeup and psyche is different with every position also." }, { "end_time": "38:52", "start_time": "38:51", "text": "Want to talk about, other jumps." }, { "end_time": "38:59", "start_time": "38:53", "text": "As a commanding officer, if I'm in this front and I'm taking the 1st jump, that is generally the norm, we used to follow." }, { "end_time": "39:01", "start_time": "39:00", "text": "He has a battalion commander." }, { "end_time": "39:03", "start_time": "39:01", "text": "You'll be the first one to exit the aircraft." }, { "end_time": "39:09", "start_time": "39:03", "text": "The moment you are out of the aircraft and because there are 3 lights, red, blue, red, yellow, and green." }, { "end_time": "39:10", "start_time": "39:09", "text": "Same as traffic light." }, { "end_time": "39:11", "start_time": "39:10", "text": "It gives you signal." }, { "end_time": "39:13", "start_time": "39:11", "text": "And the moment it is green, green on go." }, { "end_time": "39:19", "start_time": "39:14", "text": "The moment that light is on, you can't even take it a fraction of second to delay it." }, { "end_time": "39:20", "start_time": "39:19", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "39:24", "start_time": "39:20", "text": "Because there is a area which is marked on the ground, which is known as dropping zone." }, { "end_time": "39:25", "start_time": "39:25", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "39:32", "start_time": "39:25", "text": "Calculating the width factor, the height, the speed of the aircraft, going at a 600 kilometer, the weight, and other things, and the kind of the parachute you are using." }, { "end_time": "39:36", "start_time": "39:32", "text": "The moment you exit, you are going to come back within that zone." }, { "end_time": "39:39", "start_time": "39:36", "text": "So you'll have a relatively better area." }, { "end_time": "39:46", "start_time": "39:39", "text": "If you take even, the difference between the jumps, it is even less than 0.7, up now the second." }, { "end_time": "39:47", "start_time": "39:46", "text": "It is the speed of go." }, { "end_time": "39:48", "start_time": "39:47", "text": "Go." }, { "end_time": "39:48", "start_time": "39:48", "text": "Go." }, { "end_time": "39:48", "start_time": "39:48", "text": "Go." }, { "end_time": "39:48", "start_time": "39:48", "text": "Go." }, { "end_time": "39:49", "start_time": "39:48", "text": "Go." }, { "end_time": "39:49", "start_time": "39:49", "text": "Go." }, { "end_time": "39:50", "start_time": "39:49", "text": "That is the speed." }, { "end_time": "39:54", "start_time": "39:50", "text": "People don't even jump out of the bus, from that, at that speed." }, { "end_time": "40:00", "start_time": "39:55", "text": "So if I'm the first one and if I take 0.7, extra also, 2 things are for sure." }, { "end_time": "40:02", "start_time": "40:00", "text": "Firstly, I'll lose that respect." }, { "end_time": "40:04", "start_time": "40:02", "text": "People say bloody, and I got scared." }, { "end_time": "40:06", "start_time": "40:04", "text": "I can't afford that luxury as a." }, { "end_time": "40:09", "start_time": "40:06", "text": "You are out means you're out in that moment." }, { "end_time": "40:13", "start_time": "40:10", "text": "2nd, I know it is going to cost somebody life, those point 7 second." }, { "end_time": "40:16", "start_time": "40:13", "text": "If I delayed it, he probably is going out of that." }, { "end_time": "40:16", "start_time": "40:16", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "40:17", "start_time": "40:16", "text": "That is 1." }, { "end_time": "40:17", "start_time": "40:17", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "40:19", "start_time": "40:17", "text": "But, you know, that freedom is there." }, { "end_time": "40:20", "start_time": "40:19", "text": "No one is in front of me." }, { "end_time": "40:22", "start_time": "40:20", "text": "I can take a command and then you're out." }, { "end_time": "40:31", "start_time": "40:22", "text": "But when somebody is in the center now that time when you see people are going and your entire get disrupted." }, { "end_time": "40:32", "start_time": "40:31", "text": "Now this no." }, { "end_time": "40:33", "start_time": "40:32", "text": "Not with me." }, { "end_time": "40:35", "start_time": "40:33", "text": "I always used to be the first one to jump." }, { "end_time": "40:36", "start_time": "40:35", "text": "I know." }, { "end_time": "40:37", "start_time": "40:36", "text": "I I love that thing." }, { "end_time": "40:38", "start_time": "40:37", "text": "Now there is a guy who's in the last." }, { "end_time": "40:42", "start_time": "40:38", "text": "Imagine there are 20 guys, and they had already jumped out of the aircraft." }, { "end_time": "40:44", "start_time": "40:42", "text": "And he's he's got some distance to cover." }, { "end_time": "40:46", "start_time": "40:44", "text": "Now he's running inside the aircraft, and then he goes out." }, { "end_time": "40:47", "start_time": "40:46", "text": "His side is different." }, { "end_time": "40:49", "start_time": "40:48", "text": "Every jump is different." }, { "end_time": "40:51", "start_time": "40:49", "text": "Once it had to happen, people had jumped." }, { "end_time": "40:52", "start_time": "40:51", "text": "We are done with our jump." }, { "end_time": "40:53", "start_time": "40:52", "text": "We were down." }, { "end_time": "40:57", "start_time": "40:54", "text": "Last 3 guys, an order of sticking, it was a night jump." }, { "end_time": "41:06", "start_time": "40:58", "text": "And one possibility which has never been discussed, it never happened in the history, it is highly not anticipated, and it happened." }, { "end_time": "41:11", "start_time": "41:07", "text": "The cord on which it was static jump, on which cord was there and it went off." }, { "end_time": "41:21", "start_time": "41:11", "text": "What what what See, in aircraft, where you're sitting, when you're jumping with a static, static jump is something when you have got a parachute, There is a cord attached to a, parachute." }, { "end_time": "41:25", "start_time": "41:22", "text": "And the hook is on a cable, which is in the aircraft." }, { "end_time": "41:33", "start_time": "41:25", "text": "So that cable got broken because you when you jump, there's a particular distance it goes, and then the cord is taken out of the aircraft." }, { "end_time": "41:35", "start_time": "41:33", "text": "So it from the parachute, it gets deployed." }, { "end_time": "41:41", "start_time": "41:37", "text": "But in this case, just cord that cord itself got broken." }, { "end_time": "41:42", "start_time": "41:41", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "41:46", "start_time": "41:42", "text": "Now because of this, what had happened, the 3 guys, they just slipped silently out of the aircraft." }, { "end_time": "41:48", "start_time": "41:47", "text": "And they were under this false sense of this thing." }, { "end_time": "41:52", "start_time": "41:48", "text": "Now the cord will get unbroken, and my parachute will get deployed." }, { "end_time": "41:53", "start_time": "41:52", "text": "It never happened." }, { "end_time": "41:54", "start_time": "41:53", "text": "It didn't open." }, { "end_time": "41:55", "start_time": "41:54", "text": "It didn't open at all." }, { "end_time": "41:59", "start_time": "41:55", "text": "It was just 10 second at the max, 11 second, not even 10 second." }, { "end_time": "42:04", "start_time": "41:59", "text": "They just touched the ground coming from 1,000 of feet around 14 50 feet height." }, { "end_time": "42:10", "start_time": "42:05", "text": "They touched the ground and when we went to see them, they were exactly in the same training in which I've been taught to them." }, { "end_time": "42:11", "start_time": "42:10", "text": "They had made a portion." }, { "end_time": "42:14", "start_time": "42:12", "text": "Their legs were folded in a particular fashion." }, { "end_time": "42:15", "start_time": "42:14", "text": "That is called para position." }, { "end_time": "42:17", "start_time": "42:16", "text": "They were in that position." }, { "end_time": "42:20", "start_time": "42:18", "text": "They had followed the teaching to the last breath." }, { "end_time": "42:25", "start_time": "42:20", "text": "They were in that position and parachute was not, there." }, { "end_time": "42:26", "start_time": "42:25", "text": "All 3 of them?" }, { "end_time": "42:27", "start_time": "42:26", "text": "All 3 passed away." }, { "end_time": "42:29", "start_time": "42:28", "text": "The fear factor sits here." }, { "end_time": "42:32", "start_time": "42:30", "text": "But she this is all about the mindset." }, { "end_time": "42:35", "start_time": "42:32", "text": "This is how special forces, airborne units, they work." }, { "end_time": "42:42", "start_time": "42:36", "text": "One way to look at this thing, okay, and now you give the condolences, feel bad about it, and just let it go." }, { "end_time": "42:47", "start_time": "42:43", "text": "Second thing was every boot which was there on the ground were made to fall in there." }, { "end_time": "42:48", "start_time": "42:47", "text": "They were given new fresh parachute." }, { "end_time": "42:50", "start_time": "42:49", "text": "Aircraft were deployed." }, { "end_time": "42:52", "start_time": "42:50", "text": "They were told to board the aircraft." }, { "end_time": "42:54", "start_time": "42:52", "text": "We went in the air and jumped at the same night." }, { "end_time": "43:01", "start_time": "42:55", "text": "So that same night, be before the bodies were moved from there, every brief occur will jump out of the aircraft." }, { "end_time": "43:02", "start_time": "43:01", "text": "And rightly so." }, { "end_time": "43:03", "start_time": "43:02", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "43:06", "start_time": "43:03", "text": "Because once you don't do this thing, you know, the fear factor, you know, it becomes a gossip." }, { "end_time": "43:08", "start_time": "43:06", "text": "You know, something went wrong." }, { "end_time": "43:09", "start_time": "43:08", "text": "You know, it can happen." }, { "end_time": "43:09", "start_time": "43:09", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "43:13", "start_time": "43:10", "text": "Once you're done with this ritual, then people are this thing, you know, things happens." }, { "end_time": "43:14", "start_time": "43:13", "text": "It happens." }, { "end_time": "43:17", "start_time": "43:14", "text": "It is a part and parcel of this job, and these are professional agents." }, { "end_time": "43:18", "start_time": "43:17", "text": "This is not the first time it has happened." }, { "end_time": "43:20", "start_time": "43:18", "text": "Neither it is going to be last time." }, { "end_time": "43:21", "start_time": "43:20", "text": "Nobody can guarantee." }, { "end_time": "43:24", "start_time": "43:21", "text": "So things will keep happening, but you can't let it go." }, { "end_time": "43:25", "start_time": "43:24", "text": "And that fear factor should not come." }, { "end_time": "43:26", "start_time": "43:25", "text": "It had happened." }, { "end_time": "43:27", "start_time": "43:26", "text": "We just did it again." }, { "end_time": "43:28", "start_time": "43:27", "text": "Nothing happened." }, { "end_time": "43:29", "start_time": "43:28", "text": "So don't worry." }, { "end_time": "43:30", "start_time": "43:29", "text": "Chill." }, { "end_time": "43:32", "start_time": "43:30", "text": "This was a night jump?" }, { "end_time": "43:33", "start_time": "43:32", "text": "It was a night jump." }, { "end_time": "43:36", "start_time": "43:34", "text": "How are night jumps more challenging?" }, { "end_time": "43:37", "start_time": "43:36", "text": "You can't see No." }, { "end_time": "43:38", "start_time": "43:37", "text": "Exactly It's not challenging." }, { "end_time": "43:40", "start_time": "43:38", "text": "In fact, I found it more exotic." }, { "end_time": "43:41", "start_time": "43:40", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "43:43", "start_time": "43:41", "text": "You see lights and it's something like looking out of the aircraft." }, { "end_time": "43:46", "start_time": "43:43", "text": "Daytime, you know, probably you don't get it's a beautiful view." }, { "end_time": "43:50", "start_time": "43:47", "text": "Lot of clarity, pen drop silence, and you say very clearly." }, { "end_time": "43:56", "start_time": "43:51", "text": "And when you are getting an aerial view, you know, and you think from there a lot of light and everything, I found it very beautiful." }, { "end_time": "44:00", "start_time": "43:56", "text": "I don't know about this experience, but night jump, I really loved it." }, { "end_time": "44:02", "start_time": "44:00", "text": "That feeling is always there, that fear of unknown, where you're going." }, { "end_time": "44:04", "start_time": "44:02", "text": "You don't know exactly what is down and this thing." }, { "end_time": "44:05", "start_time": "44:04", "text": "Reaction time is." }, { "end_time": "44:12", "start_time": "44:05", "text": "So that is again the test of your reflexes, your stimulus, and how much strong you are mentally, physically, whatever." }, { "end_time": "44:16", "start_time": "44:13", "text": "You've never had any wild animal encounters ever, like, in your entire tenure?" }, { "end_time": "44:18", "start_time": "44:18", "text": "They are very friendly." }, { "end_time": "44:19", "start_time": "44:18", "text": "This is how I look at them." }, { "end_time": "44:21", "start_time": "44:19", "text": "Whether it is snakes or something." }, { "end_time": "44:25", "start_time": "44:22", "text": "Been enclosed this thing with the, you know, cheetah." }, { "end_time": "44:27", "start_time": "44:26", "text": "Another thing, but they're friendly." }, { "end_time": "44:29", "start_time": "44:27", "text": "Asian Asiatic cheetah." }, { "end_time": "44:30", "start_time": "44:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "44:31", "start_time": "44:30", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "44:33", "start_time": "44:31", "text": "Snakes also number of times." }, { "end_time": "44:37", "start_time": "44:33", "text": "And but personally, my experience tells me, you know, they are very friendly." }, { "end_time": "44:40", "start_time": "44:37", "text": "Until unless you actually don't poke them and cause harm to them." }, { "end_time": "44:44", "start_time": "44:40", "text": "They are not going to, you know, cause any damage to you." }, { "end_time": "44:45", "start_time": "44:44", "text": "So while they're around, and it's okay." }, { "end_time": "44:46", "start_time": "44:45", "text": "Good." }, { "end_time": "44:48", "start_time": "44:46", "text": "They generally avoid the distance." }, { "end_time": "44:50", "start_time": "44:48", "text": "What what about the cheetah you saw?" }, { "end_time": "45:01", "start_time": "44:51", "text": "Cheetah in the sense, like, again, I can't reveal the name of the location, but, yes, when we were going out for something, it has been a tremendous experience, and he's just walking 50 meters behind the." }, { "end_time": "45:04", "start_time": "45:01", "text": "And we are moving somewhere, and he's just falling in 50 meters." }, { "end_time": "45:10", "start_time": "45:04", "text": "He followed us for about a kilometer or so, and thereafter, we had just eye contact and he quietly slipped into the wild." }, { "end_time": "45:12", "start_time": "45:10", "text": "Wildlife never causes damage." }, { "end_time": "45:17", "start_time": "45:12", "text": "In fact, we as a human, I think we call cause more damage to their, you know, habitat or anything." }, { "end_time": "45:21", "start_time": "45:17", "text": "Sneaks, again, very friendly, but, you know, sometime it has been operational requirement or something as a part of the training." }, { "end_time": "45:24", "start_time": "45:21", "text": "And you even catch them, you eat them." }, { "end_time": "45:26", "start_time": "45:24", "text": "That is a professional requirement." }, { "end_time": "45:28", "start_time": "45:26", "text": "Otherwise, you know, I think and I fear this thing." }, { "end_time": "45:29", "start_time": "45:28", "text": "We can stay together." }, { "end_time": "45:32", "start_time": "45:30", "text": "You you had to hunt on operations." }, { "end_time": "45:37", "start_time": "45:33", "text": "Anything that walks, crawl, creep, fly, can be eaten and had been eaten." }, { "end_time": "45:38", "start_time": "45:37", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "45:39", "start_time": "45:38", "text": "Only if required." }, { "end_time": "45:40", "start_time": "45:39", "text": "Have you eaten a snake?" }, { "end_time": "45:40", "start_time": "45:40", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "45:42", "start_time": "45:40", "text": "Like, raws." }, { "end_time": "45:42", "start_time": "45:42", "text": "What?" }, { "end_time": "45:43", "start_time": "45:42", "text": "And yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:44", "start_time": "45:43", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "45:46", "start_time": "45:44", "text": "Raw also and cooked also." }, { "end_time": "45:48", "start_time": "45:47", "text": "I tasted croc also, crocodile." }, { "end_time": "45:50", "start_time": "45:49", "text": "Which you had hunted?" }, { "end_time": "45:51", "start_time": "45:51", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "45:52", "start_time": "45:51", "text": "Not hunted." }, { "end_time": "45:53", "start_time": "45:52", "text": "Not hunted." }, { "end_time": "45:57", "start_time": "45:53", "text": "Crocodile caught and, now today, it is in my school." }, { "end_time": "45:59", "start_time": "45:57", "text": "That job was done during the school days only." }, { "end_time": "46:03", "start_time": "46:01", "text": "Let let's talk about snake first, sir." }, { "end_time": "46:05", "start_time": "46:03", "text": "Why why did your feet at raw firstly?" }, { "end_time": "46:09", "start_time": "46:05", "text": "You see, if you're not used to it, that is part of the commando training as well." }, { "end_time": "46:14", "start_time": "46:09", "text": "Every person officer who had been part of the commando course, who who had done commando course, they're told." }, { "end_time": "46:15", "start_time": "46:14", "text": "People are there." }, { "end_time": "46:17", "start_time": "46:15", "text": "They come up with very funny ideas that I'm a Brahmin." }, { "end_time": "46:18", "start_time": "46:17", "text": "I don't eat in my house this time." }, { "end_time": "46:20", "start_time": "46:18", "text": "You get one punch in your belly." }, { "end_time": "46:23", "start_time": "46:20", "text": "You open your mouth and then no question asked, and you're supposed to eat it." }, { "end_time": "46:25", "start_time": "46:23", "text": "Otherwise, you'll get the second piece as well." }, { "end_time": "46:29", "start_time": "46:26", "text": "See, you know, there are chances and a life can give you surprises." }, { "end_time": "46:31", "start_time": "46:29", "text": "It can actually throw big surprises at you." }, { "end_time": "46:32", "start_time": "46:31", "text": "We have got nothing to eat." }, { "end_time": "46:34", "start_time": "46:32", "text": "Nothing means absolutely nothing." }, { "end_time": "46:40", "start_time": "46:35", "text": "We have there are ways and means that you get muddy water, shitty water, and you need to drink that as well." }, { "end_time": "46:42", "start_time": "46:40", "text": "Like water that someone has shat in?" }, { "end_time": "46:42", "start_time": "46:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:45", "start_time": "46:42", "text": "Absa if you don't have anything, you know, there are ways." }, { "end_time": "46:48", "start_time": "46:45", "text": "And then you put, mud, then you put sand, not mud." }, { "end_time": "46:50", "start_time": "46:48", "text": "Then you put some stone, then charcoals and all that." }, { "end_time": "46:54", "start_time": "46:50", "text": "That there is a way to make your organic filter out of that, and you still get some good quality." }, { "end_time": "46:59", "start_time": "46:54", "text": "Until unless you don't survive and you can't stand on your feet, what are you going to do?" }, { "end_time": "47:05", "start_time": "46:59", "text": "So at least whether you get a chance or situation like this, that is a different issue altogether." }, { "end_time": "47:07", "start_time": "47:05", "text": "But at least you should be trained too well." }, { "end_time": "47:11", "start_time": "47:07", "text": "You should know, can I I can't have this luxury to say this is good or bad?" }, { "end_time": "47:13", "start_time": "47:11", "text": "It smells good or it smells bad." }, { "end_time": "47:13", "start_time": "47:13", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "47:14", "start_time": "47:13", "text": "It is not matter of choices." }, { "end_time": "47:16", "start_time": "47:14", "text": "It is a matter of survival." }, { "end_time": "47:20", "start_time": "47:16", "text": "If you that instinct is not so very strong, you're not being trained at that manner." }, { "end_time": "47:22", "start_time": "47:20", "text": "How are you going to handle it when it actually comes on ground?" }, { "end_time": "47:24", "start_time": "47:22", "text": "What did the snake taste like?" }, { "end_time": "47:26", "start_time": "47:24", "text": "It is tasteless, actually." }, { "end_time": "47:28", "start_time": "47:26", "text": "If you put some masala or something different." }, { "end_time": "47:30", "start_time": "47:28", "text": "But again, I said, it's not a matter of luxury." }, { "end_time": "47:32", "start_time": "47:30", "text": "And you don't have anything." }, { "end_time": "47:32", "start_time": "47:32", "text": "It is a raw means." }, { "end_time": "47:34", "start_time": "47:32", "text": "Something should go inside." }, { "end_time": "47:34", "start_time": "47:34", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "47:40", "start_time": "47:34", "text": "What we see in this show, Chris Gayle, and all that, maybe I don't know how realistic it is or people do the stage management all." }, { "end_time": "47:41", "start_time": "47:40", "text": "But it is not." }, { "end_time": "47:42", "start_time": "47:41", "text": "You go to northeast." }, { "end_time": "47:43", "start_time": "47:42", "text": "That is a visit training you go to." }, { "end_time": "47:51", "start_time": "47:43", "text": "There is a, insect market in Nagal, From ant to snake to what repair you want, you will get it there." }, { "end_time": "47:53", "start_time": "47:52", "text": "Have you had insects?" }, { "end_time": "47:54", "start_time": "47:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:55", "start_time": "47:54", "text": "A lot many times." }, { "end_time": "48:03", "start_time": "47:55", "text": "In fact, there was a, in commandos also, in the unit also, and also in the orientation training in assembly." }, { "end_time": "48:09", "start_time": "48:03", "text": "We used to have a I used to connect a camp in which the last one week was absolutely survival." }, { "end_time": "48:10", "start_time": "48:09", "text": "No shelters." }, { "end_time": "48:10", "start_time": "48:10", "text": "Nothing." }, { "end_time": "48:13", "start_time": "48:10", "text": "Everything what you want to make and make for yourself." }, { "end_time": "48:17", "start_time": "48:13", "text": "So people used to rope, cut down trees, and everything from habitat to anything." }, { "end_time": "48:27", "start_time": "48:17", "text": "And they used to, in fact, they used to kill the birds, animals, everything, and they were beautiful up now using, what do you call it, leaves, thrones." }, { "end_time": "48:29", "start_time": "48:27", "text": "They used to make bowl kind of thing." }, { "end_time": "48:33", "start_time": "48:29", "text": "And they used to make exotic things and a different different squirrels, this, and snails." }, { "end_time": "48:38", "start_time": "48:34", "text": "Snail was again the kind of the creepy feeling you get, but then you have to eat it, you have to eat it." }, { "end_time": "48:41", "start_time": "48:38", "text": "Whatever is available in a particular area as your food." }, { "end_time": "48:46", "start_time": "48:42", "text": "So people used to have it, and I used to have a food tasting and around." }, { "end_time": "48:47", "start_time": "48:46", "text": "What does snails taste like?" }, { "end_time": "48:49", "start_time": "48:48", "text": "Again, it is very tasteless." }, { "end_time": "48:52", "start_time": "48:49", "text": "But, again, until there is a requirement, believe me, you can avoid it." }, { "end_time": "48:56", "start_time": "48:54", "text": "There are few things that's not bad or a choice." }, { "end_time": "48:58", "start_time": "48:56", "text": "They never just you need to do it sometime." }, { "end_time": "48:59", "start_time": "48:58", "text": "What's the worst thing you've eaten?" }, { "end_time": "49:01", "start_time": "48:59", "text": "Like, where you're like, I don't wanna eat that." }, { "end_time": "49:05", "start_time": "49:03", "text": "Worst thing I would say is snails only." }, { "end_time": "49:06", "start_time": "49:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:10", "start_time": "49:06", "text": "I've seen thousands of them went for some operation in a room." }, { "end_time": "49:11", "start_time": "49:10", "text": "That feeling was creepy." }, { "end_time": "49:12", "start_time": "49:11", "text": "Thousands of snails." }, { "end_time": "49:14", "start_time": "49:12", "text": "Thousands are everywhere you see." }, { "end_time": "49:15", "start_time": "49:14", "text": "Well, I never seen that kind of thing." }, { "end_time": "49:17", "start_time": "49:15", "text": "Tap this, you know, it's coming out." }, { "end_time": "49:19", "start_time": "49:18", "text": "I've seen only in movies happening this time." }, { "end_time": "49:21", "start_time": "49:19", "text": "That was not a And good thing." }, { "end_time": "49:23", "start_time": "49:21", "text": "This is out of pure hunger you had to eat." }, { "end_time": "49:25", "start_time": "49:24", "text": "Pure hunger only." }, { "end_time": "49:28", "start_time": "49:25", "text": "Because you had nothing and not even fish was available there." }, { "end_time": "49:33", "start_time": "49:28", "text": "So I've seen people, local people, eat a delicacy for them, but it was not a personal choice." }, { "end_time": "49:34", "start_time": "49:33", "text": "And I saw them." }, { "end_time": "49:36", "start_time": "49:34", "text": "They used to just suck it and thing." }, { "end_time": "49:37", "start_time": "49:36", "text": "Like a raw?" }, { "end_time": "49:37", "start_time": "49:37", "text": "Raw." }, { "end_time": "49:38", "start_time": "49:37", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "49:39", "start_time": "49:38", "text": "And boiled water, and they used to suck it." }, { "end_time": "49:44", "start_time": "49:39", "text": "And I think today also, if you go to northeast, you will see, you know, people sitting with the pots and they do it." }, { "end_time": "49:46", "start_time": "49:44", "text": "But maybe it is their food preference." }, { "end_time": "49:48", "start_time": "49:46", "text": "It is, you know, luxury for them, but it was not for us." }, { "end_time": "49:50", "start_time": "49:49", "text": "There's something new for me." }, { "end_time": "49:51", "start_time": "49:50", "text": "Did it once?" }, { "end_time": "49:52", "start_time": "49:52", "text": "Not a good idea." }, { "end_time": "49:53", "start_time": "49:52", "text": "Never tried." }, { "end_time": "49:54", "start_time": "49:53", "text": "I'm telling you." }, { "end_time": "49:55", "start_time": "49:54", "text": "There are better things." }, { "end_time": "49:59", "start_time": "49:55", "text": "Can you compare it to something you've eaten otherwise?" }, { "end_time": "50:00", "start_time": "49:59", "text": "Like No." }, { "end_time": "50:00", "start_time": "50:00", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "50:03", "start_time": "50:00", "text": "It is tasteless, but, you know, something need to go inside." }, { "end_time": "50:03", "start_time": "50:03", "text": "It's that's it." }, { "end_time": "50:05", "start_time": "50:04", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "50:05", "start_time": "50:05", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "50:07", "start_time": "50:06", "text": "And the crocodiles?" }, { "end_time": "50:08", "start_time": "50:07", "text": "Crocodile is good." }, { "end_time": "50:09", "start_time": "50:08", "text": "Because it has got no bones." }, { "end_time": "50:11", "start_time": "50:09", "text": "It has got only scales." }, { "end_time": "50:17", "start_time": "50:11", "text": "I've been to I was on United Nation trips, and I had gone to initially Uganda then Kenya." }, { "end_time": "50:18", "start_time": "50:17", "text": "For for work?" }, { "end_time": "50:19", "start_time": "50:18", "text": "For operations?" }, { "end_time": "50:20", "start_time": "50:19", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "50:20", "start_time": "50:20", "text": "Not for the operation." }, { "end_time": "50:23", "start_time": "50:20", "text": "It was a lucky there was operation challenges." }, { "end_time": "50:27", "start_time": "50:24", "text": "I had faced that most difficult situation there in UN only." }, { "end_time": "50:28", "start_time": "50:27", "text": "Like combat situation?" }, { "end_time": "50:28", "start_time": "50:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "50:29", "start_time": "50:28", "text": "Combat situation." }, { "end_time": "50:35", "start_time": "50:29", "text": "Could be resolved without firing a single bullet, but it was actually in a worst situation, I would say." }, { "end_time": "50:37", "start_time": "50:35", "text": "Mohabe had gone for a a rest and recoup trip." }, { "end_time": "50:38", "start_time": "50:37", "text": "I had visited Kenya." }, { "end_time": "50:40", "start_time": "50:38", "text": "So I'd gone to this river forest." }, { "end_time": "50:42", "start_time": "50:40", "text": "Mohabe, I tried all those things." }, { "end_time": "50:42", "start_time": "50:42", "text": "It was amazing." }, { "end_time": "50:44", "start_time": "50:44", "text": "It tastes like chicken." }, { "end_time": "50:46", "start_time": "50:44", "text": "That's what I've been told." }, { "end_time": "50:46", "start_time": "50:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "50:47", "start_time": "50:46", "text": "I think better than chicken." }, { "end_time": "50:51", "start_time": "50:47", "text": "Crocs, giraffe, and you name them, animal." }, { "end_time": "50:54", "start_time": "50:51", "text": "I tried everything there because they offer as a part of their exotic menu." }, { "end_time": "50:57", "start_time": "50:55", "text": "So everything was a little bit why not I'd come this far." }, { "end_time": "51:01", "start_time": "50:58", "text": "I'm assuming it just tastes like versions of chicken or mutton." }, { "end_time": "51:01", "start_time": "51:01", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "51:04", "start_time": "51:01", "text": "It is better than that." }, { "end_time": "51:05", "start_time": "51:04", "text": "Ostrich meatballs also I tried." }, { "end_time": "51:06", "start_time": "51:05", "text": "That was also good." }, { "end_time": "51:07", "start_time": "51:06", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "51:08", "start_time": "51:07", "text": "I tried almost everything." }, { "end_time": "51:10", "start_time": "51:08", "text": "In Africa, when you are there, why not?" }, { "end_time": "51:13", "start_time": "51:11", "text": "Are you comfortable talking about Africa a little bit?" }, { "end_time": "51:14", "start_time": "51:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "51:15", "start_time": "51:14", "text": "What why will you send them?" }, { "end_time": "51:19", "start_time": "51:16", "text": "See, our unit was deployed there as a part of the reserve force." }, { "end_time": "51:22", "start_time": "51:19", "text": "We had gone as a United Nation peacekeeping force." }, { "end_time": "51:23", "start_time": "51:22", "text": "I was part of that compliment." }, { "end_time": "51:26", "start_time": "51:24", "text": "So there was a place, Abe." }, { "end_time": "51:30", "start_time": "51:27", "text": "If you look on the Internet, it'll tell you what Abe is about." }, { "end_time": "51:31", "start_time": "51:30", "text": "Which country?" }, { "end_time": "51:32", "start_time": "51:31", "text": "Sudan." }, { "end_time": "51:34", "start_time": "51:32", "text": "Now it is North Sudan and South Sudan." }, { "end_time": "51:36", "start_time": "51:34", "text": "Abe is a location." }, { "end_time": "51:37", "start_time": "51:36", "text": "It was absolute." }, { "end_time": "51:39", "start_time": "51:37", "text": "I've seen people mad for no reason." }, { "end_time": "51:42", "start_time": "51:39", "text": "They had nothing to eat, but they had sophisticated weapon with them." }, { "end_time": "51:43", "start_time": "51:42", "text": "Those days also." }, { "end_time": "51:47", "start_time": "51:44", "text": "And I've seen people taking a lot of finishing people for no reason." }, { "end_time": "51:54", "start_time": "51:47", "text": "Life had absolutely no value, and it was one of the worst places to stay in, you know, anywhere in the world." }, { "end_time": "51:59", "start_time": "51:54", "text": "100 or 1000 kilometer you will travel, you will not get even a one glass of water." }, { "end_time": "52:01", "start_time": "52:00", "text": "All you want, yes, you will get." }, { "end_time": "52:03", "start_time": "52:02", "text": "Not even a glass of water." }, { "end_time": "52:11", "start_time": "52:03", "text": "I've seen early morning people, they're not taking out blood from the cow and and a bowl and they're serving to every family member so that they can just take care of their thirst." }, { "end_time": "52:15", "start_time": "52:11", "text": "It was again requirement, not a it was necessity to persevere." }, { "end_time": "52:17", "start_time": "52:15", "text": "The terrains like the Sahara Desert." }, { "end_time": "52:18", "start_time": "52:17", "text": "Absolute barren." }, { "end_time": "52:21", "start_time": "52:18", "text": "Although there were some hills around, but there was absolutely barren." }, { "end_time": "52:22", "start_time": "52:21", "text": "No productivity." }, { "end_time": "52:23", "start_time": "52:22", "text": "0." }, { "end_time": "52:27", "start_time": "52:24", "text": "No crop shop, no business, nothing." }, { "end_time": "52:29", "start_time": "52:27", "text": "Absolutely surviving on whatever little." }, { "end_time": "52:33", "start_time": "52:29", "text": "And at those days, it was being provided by, you know, United Nations." }, { "end_time": "52:34", "start_time": "52:34", "text": "But bad state." }, { "end_time": "52:36", "start_time": "52:34", "text": "Nothing to eat, nothing to drink." }, { "end_time": "52:39", "start_time": "52:36", "text": "Water was costlier, and the oil was cheaper." }, { "end_time": "52:40", "start_time": "52:39", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "52:41", "start_time": "52:40", "text": "That is what I've seen there." }, { "end_time": "52:46", "start_time": "52:42", "text": "Well, for 1 bread and a people could get killed or they could have killed someone." }, { "end_time": "52:48", "start_time": "52:46", "text": "It was as simple as that." }, { "end_time": "52:49", "start_time": "52:48", "text": "I've seen people." }, { "end_time": "52:54", "start_time": "52:49", "text": "I've been to garbage disposal area where I've seen people eating boot polish." }, { "end_time": "52:57", "start_time": "52:54", "text": "Take I've seen people eating odorless medicines irrespective." }, { "end_time": "52:59", "start_time": "52:58", "text": "Something should go inside." }, { "end_time": "53:01", "start_time": "52:59", "text": "And it was actually nothing less than a shit." }, { "end_time": "53:03", "start_time": "53:01", "text": "And people just taking out something." }, { "end_time": "53:08", "start_time": "53:03", "text": "I've seen they're having a cut because of the, you know, broken glasses, something coming to this thing." }, { "end_time": "53:11", "start_time": "53:08", "text": "I'm trying to tell them something, you know, but I don't know the language." }, { "end_time": "53:14", "start_time": "53:11", "text": "Take it and they are trying to, you know, keep it to themselves." }, { "end_time": "53:16", "start_time": "53:14", "text": "Keep probably, you know, this man is going to take this also from us." }, { "end_time": "53:17", "start_time": "53:16", "text": "Is that a dead hunger?" }, { "end_time": "53:18", "start_time": "53:17", "text": "I've seen." }, { "end_time": "53:21", "start_time": "53:18", "text": "But thereafter, I learned water." }, { "end_time": "53:23", "start_time": "53:21", "text": "We see in a safe water campaign and all that." }, { "end_time": "53:26", "start_time": "53:23", "text": "Those who really don't understand, send them to that place only for 1 week." }, { "end_time": "53:30", "start_time": "53:26", "text": "They will get to know what are the importance of water and what are the importance of food." }, { "end_time": "53:34", "start_time": "53:31", "text": "What was the political situation there that caused this kind of a scenario?" }, { "end_time": "53:35", "start_time": "53:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "53:39", "start_time": "53:35", "text": "Again, when there is a political instability, there was no political situation only, you know." }, { "end_time": "53:44", "start_time": "53:40", "text": "When everything is in the hung state, whether it is the government or the political party, everything." }, { "end_time": "53:46", "start_time": "53:44", "text": "Militant groups against each other." }, { "end_time": "53:47", "start_time": "53:46", "text": "So many of them." }, { "end_time": "53:48", "start_time": "53:47", "text": "So many of them and they've got weapon." }, { "end_time": "53:52", "start_time": "53:48", "text": "I am surprised when you don't have a water to drink and how they manage weapon." }, { "end_time": "53:59", "start_time": "53:53", "text": "There was one situation where 2, military contingent and now there was some meeting that has to be organized with the SRSG." }, { "end_time": "54:04", "start_time": "54:00", "text": "That is the senior most, hair kill appointment in the UN in a particular area." }, { "end_time": "54:09", "start_time": "54:05", "text": "The military group, they had to have some conversation with them to resolve some issue." }, { "end_time": "54:18", "start_time": "54:09", "text": "So one contingent would send and the pilot, 2 of the officers, and 30 of the men, they were kept into custody, and they were taken as a hostage." }, { "end_time": "54:19", "start_time": "54:18", "text": "They never came back." }, { "end_time": "54:21", "start_time": "54:19", "text": "Then one more was sent." }, { "end_time": "54:23", "start_time": "54:21", "text": "And then, we were the reserve battalion." }, { "end_time": "54:27", "start_time": "54:24", "text": "We were told, you know, we need to talk to them." }, { "end_time": "54:31", "start_time": "54:27", "text": "I still have, I believe, couple of photographs, from that day." }, { "end_time": "54:37", "start_time": "54:31", "text": "So I, along with 10 or 12 boys or best of mine, who were up now part of my Cameron Patrol." }, { "end_time": "54:43", "start_time": "54:37", "text": "Cameron Patrol is one of the, it is the toughest competition, in Indian army." }, { "end_time": "54:44", "start_time": "54:43", "text": "What's it called?" }, { "end_time": "54:45", "start_time": "54:44", "text": "Cambrian Patrol Competition." }, { "end_time": "54:52", "start_time": "54:45", "text": "The best team of the Indian Army who wins it, they are sent to, London, Wales." }, { "end_time": "54:56", "start_time": "54:52", "text": "So and they're pissed, and they participate in competition against special forces from other unit." }, { "end_time": "55:01", "start_time": "54:57", "text": "So I prepared and created a team, and we won it." }, { "end_time": "55:02", "start_time": "55:01", "text": "So it was those boys." }, { "end_time": "55:07", "start_time": "55:02", "text": "And my trained boys, my team, they knew everything and what best can do." }, { "end_time": "55:10", "start_time": "55:07", "text": "And like at Rambo again, I thought, give up and low and take these these weapons?" }, { "end_time": "55:12", "start_time": "55:10", "text": "And once we go, immediately, we get out of the air cap." }, { "end_time": "55:13", "start_time": "55:12", "text": "We do this thing." }, { "end_time": "55:14", "start_time": "55:13", "text": "It never happened on top." }, { "end_time": "55:16", "start_time": "55:15", "text": "We landed up there." }, { "end_time": "55:22", "start_time": "55:17", "text": "And what I see, there were 2 if I remember correctly, there were 2 attack, haptics there." }, { "end_time": "55:24", "start_time": "55:22", "text": "First time I also saw that life." }, { "end_time": "55:29", "start_time": "55:24", "text": "And there were a lot of people in the weapon with absolutely no mentality, huge and tall." }, { "end_time": "55:36", "start_time": "55:29", "text": "Everyone's 6 plus with the weapon and the sleeper hanging on the AK 47, firing in the air, 100 and thousands of them." }, { "end_time": "55:39", "start_time": "55:37", "text": "I told my boys, I must see nothing going." }, { "end_time": "55:42", "start_time": "55:40", "text": "But with this kind of, you know Numbers." }, { "end_time": "55:45", "start_time": "55:42", "text": "Scenario and numbers, believe me, it is not going to work out." }, { "end_time": "55:50", "start_time": "55:45", "text": "And there was one rep from the UN also, one former from US who were there." }, { "end_time": "55:52", "start_time": "55:50", "text": "He said, may major, we cannot do this." }, { "end_time": "55:54", "start_time": "55:52", "text": "But we have been sent for some task." }, { "end_time": "55:55", "start_time": "55:54", "text": "We have to do it, buddy." }, { "end_time": "55:56", "start_time": "55:55", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "55:56", "start_time": "55:56", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "55:56", "start_time": "55:56", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "55:57", "start_time": "55:56", "text": "We'll not go outside." }, { "end_time": "55:58", "start_time": "55:57", "text": "Of course, we are going outside." }, { "end_time": "56:02", "start_time": "55:59", "text": "So I told my boys, maybe you keep your weapon to one side." }, { "end_time": "56:07", "start_time": "56:02", "text": "And all everyone wear your UN cap and put that card on your chest and just sit quietly inside." }, { "end_time": "56:09", "start_time": "56:08", "text": "So I said, man, let's move outside." }, { "end_time": "56:09", "start_time": "56:09", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "56:09", "start_time": "56:09", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "56:10", "start_time": "56:09", "text": "We should not go." }, { "end_time": "56:11", "start_time": "56:10", "text": "But there is no other option." }, { "end_time": "56:12", "start_time": "56:11", "text": "They're running in the weapon." }, { "end_time": "56:13", "start_time": "56:12", "text": "Let's go outside." }, { "end_time": "56:17", "start_time": "56:13", "text": "So I encouraged him, and he said, man, I said, man, just stay with me at least." }, { "end_time": "56:20", "start_time": "56:18", "text": "I was also actually under tremendous pressure." }, { "end_time": "56:21", "start_time": "56:20", "text": "I'm seeing that madness." }, { "end_time": "56:24", "start_time": "56:21", "text": "Madness has to be there has to be some logic in madness also." }, { "end_time": "56:26", "start_time": "56:24", "text": "I saw there was no logic." }, { "end_time": "56:28", "start_time": "56:26", "text": "It was pure madness that day I saw." }, { "end_time": "56:36", "start_time": "56:30", "text": "And the moment I got down, the guy who was sitting with huge machine gun and they were fighting there, and he was very angry." }, { "end_time": "56:37", "start_time": "56:36", "text": "He said, why you have come there?" }, { "end_time": "56:38", "start_time": "56:37", "text": "Why you have come there?" }, { "end_time": "56:46", "start_time": "56:39", "text": "And, with big heart, although, you know, I was I'm not sure I asked, but there were a lot of tension in my head." }, { "end_time": "56:57", "start_time": "56:46", "text": "So I brought a big smile on my face and the traditional way of, you know, you put a hand on somebody's chest and you say, And I said, my buddy, it is going to be today." }, { "end_time": "56:58", "start_time": "56:57", "text": "And I said, ma'am." }, { "end_time": "57:00", "start_time": "56:58", "text": "I put my hand on his chest with a broad smile." }, { "end_time": "57:02", "start_time": "57:00", "text": "I said, ma'am, how are you?" }, { "end_time": "57:03", "start_time": "57:02", "text": "My compliments to you." }, { "end_time": "57:05", "start_time": "57:03", "text": "So he was confused what this guy is doing." }, { "end_time": "57:06", "start_time": "57:05", "text": "My very senior leader." }, { "end_time": "57:08", "start_time": "57:06", "text": "Why you want to beat our leader?" }, { "end_time": "57:11", "start_time": "57:08", "text": "Messi, as a military commander, I'll speak only to him." }, { "end_time": "57:12", "start_time": "57:11", "text": "You just put me through to your guy." }, { "end_time": "57:13", "start_time": "57:12", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "57:14", "start_time": "57:14", "text": "He was confused." }, { "end_time": "57:16", "start_time": "57:14", "text": "He said he's there." }, { "end_time": "57:17", "start_time": "57:16", "text": "Now let's go and talk." }, { "end_time": "57:20", "start_time": "57:17", "text": "I just pretended confident although I was not at that moment." }, { "end_time": "57:21", "start_time": "57:20", "text": "Let's be very fair." }, { "end_time": "57:24", "start_time": "57:22", "text": "So then he took me to his leader." }, { "end_time": "57:30", "start_time": "57:25", "text": "Now this guy, what I saw, he was wearing a white and a chiffon and, huge tall guy." }, { "end_time": "57:31", "start_time": "57:30", "text": "6 4 maybe." }, { "end_time": "57:38", "start_time": "57:31", "text": "And there were 100 and 1000 of people along with him sitting in a bad posture on the drum, this thing hanging weapon in every possible thing." }, { "end_time": "57:49", "start_time": "57:39", "text": "So I went to him and I said, I said, man, I want to convey greetings and salutation on behalf of, you know, my men and on behalf of my team." }, { "end_time": "57:50", "start_time": "57:49", "text": "I've come to meet you." }, { "end_time": "57:53", "start_time": "57:51", "text": "The only, soul is worst, bloody, this guy." }, { "end_time": "57:56", "start_time": "57:53", "text": "I never been so grateful for this language and English." }, { "end_time": "57:57", "start_time": "57:56", "text": "He knew English." }, { "end_time": "57:58", "start_time": "57:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "58:00", "start_time": "57:58", "text": "Otherwise, there was no scope only to connect that dot." }, { "end_time": "58:01", "start_time": "58:00", "text": "You know, that cord." }, { "end_time": "58:03", "start_time": "58:01", "text": "And I fortunately knew the English." }, { "end_time": "58:04", "start_time": "58:03", "text": "He said, yes." }, { "end_time": "58:06", "start_time": "58:04", "text": "I said, ma'am, you know, you have got brave people." }, { "end_time": "58:08", "start_time": "58:06", "text": "And but, you know, I'm here with a purpose." }, { "end_time": "58:13", "start_time": "58:08", "text": "Then I explained to him why I'm here to, you know, organize that meeting with our SRG and between him." }, { "end_time": "58:15", "start_time": "58:14", "text": "So he said he can come." }, { "end_time": "58:16", "start_time": "58:15", "text": "I had to look around." }, { "end_time": "58:17", "start_time": "58:16", "text": "I said, well, believe me." }, { "end_time": "58:21", "start_time": "58:17", "text": "This is not the environment anybody and I feel comfortable to walk in." }, { "end_time": "58:22", "start_time": "58:21", "text": "There's a purpose." }, { "end_time": "58:23", "start_time": "58:22", "text": "Let's create that environment." }, { "end_time": "58:26", "start_time": "58:24", "text": "Man, I got 2 things I can suggest to you." }, { "end_time": "58:27", "start_time": "58:26", "text": "Sir, this is what?" }, { "end_time": "58:30", "start_time": "58:28", "text": "That's why you got so many people in a video." }, { "end_time": "58:31", "start_time": "58:30", "text": "Believe me." }, { "end_time": "58:31", "start_time": "58:31", "text": "Not required." }, { "end_time": "58:36", "start_time": "58:32", "text": "And you just keep only handful of people, maybe 10, 20, 30, whatever you want to keep with you." }, { "end_time": "58:38", "start_time": "58:37", "text": "And they are fair enough." }, { "end_time": "58:40", "start_time": "58:38", "text": "Rest, otherwise, I'm here with the purpose." }, { "end_time": "58:41", "start_time": "58:40", "text": "I've got 10 guys with me." }, { "end_time": "58:43", "start_time": "58:41", "text": "We have got weapons with us." }, { "end_time": "58:46", "start_time": "58:43", "text": "Now I am here to ensure your security as well." }, { "end_time": "58:48", "start_time": "58:46", "text": "You're the king of the soil." }, { "end_time": "58:48", "start_time": "58:48", "text": "Your land." }, { "end_time": "58:49", "start_time": "58:48", "text": "Your rules." }, { "end_time": "58:50", "start_time": "58:49", "text": "Let's go by that." }, { "end_time": "58:51", "start_time": "58:50", "text": "Who was this guy?" }, { "end_time": "58:55", "start_time": "58:51", "text": "But He was the head of that, you know, Malaysia organization, what they are." }, { "end_time": "58:55", "start_time": "58:55", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "58:57", "start_time": "58:55", "text": "Like the militant leader." }, { "end_time": "58:57", "start_time": "58:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "58:59", "start_time": "58:57", "text": "I will not exactly say militant, but yes." }, { "end_time": "59:02", "start_time": "59:01", "text": "So he understood the point." }, { "end_time": "59:05", "start_time": "59:02", "text": "So I requested me if you can convey this in your local lingo." }, { "end_time": "59:08", "start_time": "59:05", "text": "See this guy, you know, so that, you know, they are dispersed off." }, { "end_time": "59:10", "start_time": "59:08", "text": "So he understood, said something in African." }, { "end_time": "59:14", "start_time": "59:10", "text": "And people trucks by trucks and trucks, they started moving." }, { "end_time": "59:17", "start_time": "59:14", "text": "They were truck fully loaded and the big outside." }, { "end_time": "59:20", "start_time": "59:18", "text": "Firing and going and they're shouting something." }, { "end_time": "59:23", "start_time": "59:20", "text": "A lot of trucks, they passed away, and then finally, couple of people were there." }, { "end_time": "59:27", "start_time": "59:23", "text": "But now need we need to have someone sitting in place." }, { "end_time": "59:29", "start_time": "59:27", "text": "So there was some room which was identified and it was cleared." }, { "end_time": "59:37", "start_time": "59:30", "text": "And then probably, you know, created that mess into something, you know, into amicable environment where actually one can sit and talk." }, { "end_time": "59:39", "start_time": "59:37", "text": "They bought carrots of soft drinks and everything." }, { "end_time": "59:40", "start_time": "59:39", "text": "But now yes." }, { "end_time": "59:41", "start_time": "59:40", "text": "Now we are getting into that mode." }, { "end_time": "59:45", "start_time": "59:42", "text": "But usually, I had to Food and all, like, those are food scarcity." }, { "end_time": "59:47", "start_time": "59:45", "text": "These guys had, like, luxuries." }, { "end_time": "59:49", "start_time": "59:47", "text": "When you can have weapon and you can have anything." }, { "end_time": "59:54", "start_time": "59:50", "text": "It might be a scarcity for the common man, not for these guys." }, { "end_time": "59:59", "start_time": "59:54", "text": "So now this guy had, up now finally initially, was not receptive." }, { "end_time": "1:00:01", "start_time": "59:59", "text": "I said, Monica, I said, see, I'm a soldier." }, { "end_time": "1:00:01", "start_time": "1:00:01", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:00:03", "start_time": "1:00:01", "text": "We have been trained in a specific manner." }, { "end_time": "1:00:06", "start_time": "1:00:03", "text": "While, you know, you have got a lot of numbers, but believe me, we have been trained." }, { "end_time": "1:00:11", "start_time": "1:00:06", "text": "If nothing happens, something fishy is fried, We are also good and highly trained people." }, { "end_time": "1:00:15", "start_time": "1:00:11", "text": "At least, you know, we'll take in a every guy is going to take in a couple of numbers." }, { "end_time": "1:00:17", "start_time": "1:00:15", "text": "So why to land up in that situation?" }, { "end_time": "1:00:18", "start_time": "1:00:17", "text": "It's a general request." }, { "end_time": "1:00:19", "start_time": "1:00:18", "text": "Let's create that environment." }, { "end_time": "1:00:21", "start_time": "1:00:20", "text": "Finally, things were fizzled out." }, { "end_time": "1:00:24", "start_time": "1:00:21", "text": "There was meeting which also took place, and things were resolved." }, { "end_time": "1:00:30", "start_time": "1:00:25", "text": "What is the energy in meetings like this where it's like 2 dangerous men talking to each other honestly?" }, { "end_time": "1:00:33", "start_time": "1:00:31", "text": "Where death is definitely a theme in those conversations." }, { "end_time": "1:00:45", "start_time": "1:00:35", "text": "You know, as I told you, if you've been trained well and you are trained yourself well, if you can maintain your nerves in such situation, that is what matters." }, { "end_time": "1:00:46", "start_time": "1:00:45", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:00:48", "start_time": "1:00:46", "text": "If you panic, you'll never take a good decision." }, { "end_time": "1:00:48", "start_time": "1:00:48", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:00:53", "start_time": "1:00:48", "text": "This guy who you met, is it fair to say he was some sort of an African warlord of sorts?" }, { "end_time": "1:00:54", "start_time": "1:00:53", "text": "He was much more than warlord." }, { "end_time": "1:00:55", "start_time": "1:00:54", "text": "He was definitely lord." }, { "end_time": "1:01:00", "start_time": "1:00:57", "text": "He in those circumstances, he was the only lord I'm telling you." }, { "end_time": "1:01:02", "start_time": "1:01:00", "text": "Because that country was going through so many of those." }, { "end_time": "1:01:03", "start_time": "1:01:02", "text": "So much." }, { "end_time": "1:01:04", "start_time": "1:01:03", "text": "And then you're a powerful man." }, { "end_time": "1:01:06", "start_time": "1:01:04", "text": "And there's so many people you got such a mad following." }, { "end_time": "1:01:07", "start_time": "1:01:06", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:10", "start_time": "1:01:07", "text": "People can easily get killed and kill anyone for you." }, { "end_time": "1:01:11", "start_time": "1:01:10", "text": "Life was meaningless." }, { "end_time": "1:01:15", "start_time": "1:01:11", "text": "I have seen people chopping off people's head and playing with an eye." }, { "end_time": "1:01:18", "start_time": "1:01:15", "text": "Like, making football out of people's head." }, { "end_time": "1:01:25", "start_time": "1:01:18", "text": "You you search on the Internet also, you'll find a lot of people, keeping head on there, you know, weapons and playing football with that." }, { "end_time": "1:01:26", "start_time": "1:01:25", "text": "This is in Sudan?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:26", "start_time": "1:01:26", "text": "In Sudan." }, { "end_time": "1:01:30", "start_time": "1:01:26", "text": "You search places like Dafur, Abiyyah, and all that." }, { "end_time": "1:01:30", "start_time": "1:01:30", "text": "Madhouse." }, { "end_time": "1:01:35", "start_time": "1:01:30", "text": "Although Dafur was all about area of responsibility, but there have been mad places, you know." }, { "end_time": "1:01:36", "start_time": "1:01:35", "text": "It's real bad." }, { "end_time": "1:01:38", "start_time": "1:01:36", "text": "Why that level of barbarianism?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:41", "start_time": "1:01:39", "text": "Like, why that much?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:43", "start_time": "1:01:41", "text": "Firstly, there is no political stability." }, { "end_time": "1:01:50", "start_time": "1:01:43", "text": "There is nothing in a structured manner and, you have got weapons but no food and, necessity is again you can go to an extent." }, { "end_time": "1:01:53", "start_time": "1:01:50", "text": "I said, like, for one glass of water, you can go to an extent." }, { "end_time": "1:01:57", "start_time": "1:01:54", "text": "There's a power corrupts and last line is absolute power corrupts absolutely." }, { "end_time": "1:01:59", "start_time": "1:01:58", "text": "And no police." }, { "end_time": "1:02:00", "start_time": "1:01:59", "text": "You can do whatever you want." }, { "end_time": "1:02:00", "start_time": "1:02:00", "text": "Nothing." }, { "end_time": "1:02:01", "start_time": "1:02:00", "text": "They are the police." }, { "end_time": "1:02:02", "start_time": "1:02:01", "text": "They are the rule." }, { "end_time": "1:02:03", "start_time": "1:02:02", "text": "They are the government." }, { "end_time": "1:02:04", "start_time": "1:02:03", "text": "They are the hierarchy." }, { "end_time": "1:02:04", "start_time": "1:02:04", "text": "They are the military." }, { "end_time": "1:02:05", "start_time": "1:02:04", "text": "They are everything." }, { "end_time": "1:02:07", "start_time": "1:02:06", "text": "I've seen a situation." }, { "end_time": "1:02:09", "start_time": "1:02:07", "text": "1st, I saw some movie." }, { "end_time": "1:02:10", "start_time": "1:02:09", "text": "I think Rwanda." }, { "end_time": "1:02:12", "start_time": "1:02:10", "text": "Hotel Rwanda is the movie if I remember correctly." }, { "end_time": "1:02:18", "start_time": "1:02:13", "text": "That is movie and one more movie where I've seen a you in troops on a what kind of pressure and situation they've handled." }, { "end_time": "1:02:22", "start_time": "1:02:18", "text": "And the nice and somebody driving and all of a sudden he had a bumpy ride." }, { "end_time": "1:02:26", "start_time": "1:02:22", "text": "One realizes and and then later on he realizes, k, it's not some speed breaker." }, { "end_time": "1:02:28", "start_time": "1:02:26", "text": "It has a dead body over which he is buying the vehicle." }, { "end_time": "1:02:34", "start_time": "1:02:29", "text": "There were one situation while in a bay I've seen where people started firing in market area." }, { "end_time": "1:02:39", "start_time": "1:02:34", "text": "And there was a pregnant lady and somebody reported something like this has happened." }, { "end_time": "1:02:41", "start_time": "1:02:39", "text": "So we took one small apnea mechanized." }, { "end_time": "1:02:43", "start_time": "1:02:42", "text": "I'm not trying with us." }, { "end_time": "1:02:45", "start_time": "1:02:43", "text": "We had went outside, got that lady retreat from there." }, { "end_time": "1:02:47", "start_time": "1:02:45", "text": "People are firing overhead." }, { "end_time": "1:02:47", "start_time": "1:02:47", "text": "Nonsense." }, { "end_time": "1:02:49", "start_time": "1:02:47", "text": "Absolute utter nonsense." }, { "end_time": "1:02:53", "start_time": "1:02:50", "text": "I don't know what pleasure they get in it, but life was meaningless." }, { "end_time": "1:02:54", "start_time": "1:02:53", "text": "I realized a lot of thing." }, { "end_time": "1:02:55", "start_time": "1:02:54", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:58", "start_time": "1:02:55", "text": "We got that lady, and then there was a situation when I saw a lot of people." }, { "end_time": "1:03:02", "start_time": "1:02:58", "text": "They were running around in the fields and and I'm leaving their every stuff." }, { "end_time": "1:03:03", "start_time": "1:03:02", "text": "Kids were running behind them." }, { "end_time": "1:03:05", "start_time": "1:03:03", "text": "And then I saw another vehicle coming up." }, { "end_time": "1:03:10", "start_time": "1:03:05", "text": "They are hanging in a children upside down, speaking something in the local language." }, { "end_time": "1:03:17", "start_time": "1:03:10", "text": "I didn't know what they were speaking, but what I could matter was, k, probably they are giving warning either you come outside or we'll take care of these kids." }, { "end_time": "1:03:23", "start_time": "1:03:17", "text": "So crying people with folded hand, they're coming, leave them, and people are having fancy ideas." }, { "end_time": "1:03:25", "start_time": "1:03:23", "text": "Something like this has happened." }, { "end_time": "1:03:27", "start_time": "1:03:25", "text": "So I went to the gate." }, { "end_time": "1:03:31", "start_time": "1:03:27", "text": "Gate there was situation where one guy with one leg imputed." }, { "end_time": "1:03:34", "start_time": "1:03:31", "text": "He came to the gate, and people said gate not to be opened." }, { "end_time": "1:03:35", "start_time": "1:03:34", "text": "This is the order." }, { "end_time": "1:03:37", "start_time": "1:03:35", "text": "This is what exactly is for the movie as well." }, { "end_time": "1:03:39", "start_time": "1:03:37", "text": "Every organization has its own rule." }, { "end_time": "1:03:41", "start_time": "1:03:39", "text": "So I said, maybe help with the orders here." }, { "end_time": "1:03:45", "start_time": "1:03:41", "text": "And I I've been here with the purpose, but not yet just only to close the door." }, { "end_time": "1:03:46", "start_time": "1:03:45", "text": "This is the time when the door said to be open." }, { "end_time": "1:03:50", "start_time": "1:03:47", "text": "We'll see to this and what happens later when we open the door." }, { "end_time": "1:03:51", "start_time": "1:03:50", "text": "I opened the door." }, { "end_time": "1:03:52", "start_time": "1:03:51", "text": "People came, and I said, nobody is going inside." }, { "end_time": "1:03:56", "start_time": "1:03:52", "text": "You just keep shoving and I left and right of the gate, and then we closed the door." }, { "end_time": "1:04:03", "start_time": "1:03:56", "text": "Then again, I saw after some time, people came with very hood loaded machine gun with chains and everything, and they're shouting, you open the gate and get them outside." }, { "end_time": "1:04:05", "start_time": "1:04:03", "text": "The gate is not going to be open." }, { "end_time": "1:04:06", "start_time": "1:04:05", "text": "He said, open the gate." }, { "end_time": "1:04:09", "start_time": "1:04:06", "text": "But no negative no gate will be open." }, { "end_time": "1:04:10", "start_time": "1:04:09", "text": "Because I will see to this." }, { "end_time": "1:04:13", "start_time": "1:04:10", "text": "Ma'am, also here sitting here only to see you guys." }, { "end_time": "1:04:17", "start_time": "1:04:13", "text": "You try some stunt, and then you see the music." }, { "end_time": "1:04:19", "start_time": "1:04:17", "text": "It was, again, very pressure point." }, { "end_time": "1:04:23", "start_time": "1:04:19", "text": "All the says do this, and I'm doing something against oppose it." }, { "end_time": "1:04:24", "start_time": "1:04:23", "text": "Although nothing happened." }, { "end_time": "1:04:26", "start_time": "1:04:24", "text": "It is me only to report, but sometime there are tough calls." }, { "end_time": "1:04:27", "start_time": "1:04:27", "text": "It can't happen." }, { "end_time": "1:04:31", "start_time": "1:04:27", "text": "You see a small kid, a very old lady, and a man with no leg." }, { "end_time": "1:04:35", "start_time": "1:04:31", "text": "He's looking for some shelter, and you tell him, fuck off and run from there." }, { "end_time": "1:04:36", "start_time": "1:04:35", "text": "Then what kind of soldier you are?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:37", "start_time": "1:04:37", "text": "It's okay." }, { "end_time": "1:04:44", "start_time": "1:04:37", "text": "It's better to take a punishment, but do something and I cross that line and do something what your mind and your heart tells you." }, { "end_time": "1:04:46", "start_time": "1:04:44", "text": "So, that was one experience here." }, { "end_time": "1:04:52", "start_time": "1:04:47", "text": "And, you know, poverty, you know, dearth of resources, it actually still teaches you a lot of things." }, { "end_time": "1:04:53", "start_time": "1:04:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:04:54", "start_time": "1:04:53", "text": "That's what I wanted to ask you." }, { "end_time": "1:04:57", "start_time": "1:04:54", "text": "Like, I mean, I've gotten to know a fair share of all your experiences." }, { "end_time": "1:05:02", "start_time": "1:04:58", "text": "This one seems like the most gory and most gruesome problem." }, { "end_time": "1:05:03", "start_time": "1:05:02", "text": "It was actually bad." }, { "end_time": "1:05:07", "start_time": "1:05:03", "text": "Believe me, people were paying in dollars and people were very happy that we are being paid in dollars." }, { "end_time": "1:05:11", "start_time": "1:05:07", "text": "I reached the stage where I've taken people I've seen people drinking in a shitty water." }, { "end_time": "1:05:14", "start_time": "1:05:12", "text": "Actually, shit only, I'm telling you." }, { "end_time": "1:05:17", "start_time": "1:05:14", "text": "And eating things in a which actually will definitely guaranteed fall sick." }, { "end_time": "1:05:20", "start_time": "1:05:18", "text": "I've seen people in a killing each other for a bread packet." }, { "end_time": "1:05:25", "start_time": "1:05:20", "text": "The orders were once you move outside, you will not give a bottle of water to anyone." }, { "end_time": "1:05:27", "start_time": "1:05:25", "text": "You will not give food to anyone." }, { "end_time": "1:05:27", "start_time": "1:05:27", "text": "Imagine." }, { "end_time": "1:05:28", "start_time": "1:05:28", "text": "Orders." }, { "end_time": "1:05:31", "start_time": "1:05:29", "text": "And I still divide the orders." }, { "end_time": "1:05:33", "start_time": "1:05:31", "text": "I always used to carry my own share." }, { "end_time": "1:05:34", "start_time": "1:05:33", "text": "I can still have once I go back." }, { "end_time": "1:05:40", "start_time": "1:05:34", "text": "So whenever I used to see someone, I used to take in any of these something and we used to quietly give a bottle or, you know, to them." }, { "end_time": "1:05:42", "start_time": "1:05:41", "text": "For my own satisfaction, all the reason." }, { "end_time": "1:05:45", "start_time": "1:05:42", "text": "But I reached a mental state where I thought, k, you know, dollars is not important." }, { "end_time": "1:05:46", "start_time": "1:05:45", "text": "I don't want any money." }, { "end_time": "1:05:48", "start_time": "1:05:46", "text": "I all I need to is just go back home." }, { "end_time": "1:05:55", "start_time": "1:05:49", "text": "Operation were never demanding, but when you see people suffering, there's a difference between in a difficult situations, challenges, and suffering." }, { "end_time": "1:06:01", "start_time": "1:05:56", "text": "What I had seen in operations was a challenge, and challenges are always welcome." }, { "end_time": "1:06:02", "start_time": "1:06:01", "text": "It gives you goosebumps." }, { "end_time": "1:06:03", "start_time": "1:06:02", "text": "I loved it." }, { "end_time": "1:06:07", "start_time": "1:06:03", "text": "But when you see sufferings and for no reasons and no fault of this, that's painful." }, { "end_time": "1:06:11", "start_time": "1:06:08", "text": "Small kids eating boot polish, imagine how you would feel about it." }, { "end_time": "1:06:18", "start_time": "1:06:12", "text": "You are having the best of the food inside the world, and people are outside and they're looking even if you throw shit and will eat it." }, { "end_time": "1:06:21", "start_time": "1:06:19", "text": "Suffering and challenges are different things." }, { "end_time": "1:06:22", "start_time": "1:06:21", "text": "That was not a challenge." }, { "end_time": "1:06:23", "start_time": "1:06:22", "text": "That was suffering." }, { "end_time": "1:06:24", "start_time": "1:06:23", "text": "Are you comfortable sharing with you?" }, { "end_time": "1:06:26", "start_time": "1:06:24", "text": "This was in roughly 2,008?" }, { "end_time": "1:06:29", "start_time": "1:06:27", "text": "This was absolutely 2,007, 8." }, { "end_time": "1:06:30", "start_time": "1:06:29", "text": "That was the year." }, { "end_time": "1:06:35", "start_time": "1:06:31", "text": "You know, to think of 2,008 in the rest of the world, Facebook is coming up." }, { "end_time": "1:06:36", "start_time": "1:06:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:06:37", "start_time": "1:06:36", "text": "America is growing." }, { "end_time": "1:06:38", "start_time": "1:06:37", "text": "Obama is getting elected." }, { "end_time": "1:06:40", "start_time": "1:06:39", "text": "There's excesses." }, { "end_time": "1:06:43", "start_time": "1:06:40", "text": "There's McDonald's all over the world, and then there's a part of the world just like this." }, { "end_time": "1:06:45", "start_time": "1:06:43", "text": "That is what I'm telling you." }, { "end_time": "1:06:48", "start_time": "1:06:45", "text": "Ravi, there's a lot of difference between real life and real life." }, { "end_time": "1:06:52", "start_time": "1:06:50", "text": "Real life and real life are very different things." }, { "end_time": "1:06:55", "start_time": "1:06:53", "text": "There was a adventure camp." }, { "end_time": "1:06:56", "start_time": "1:06:55", "text": "Can I speak something?" }, { "end_time": "1:06:57", "start_time": "1:06:56", "text": "Please, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:06:57", "start_time": "1:06:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:07:01", "start_time": "1:06:57", "text": "There was a adventure camp where 11, 12, and big boys, you know, they were coming in army." }, { "end_time": "1:07:03", "start_time": "1:07:01", "text": "It was being conducted in Manali." }, { "end_time": "1:07:07", "start_time": "1:07:03", "text": "And people expected 11, 12 lot and are quite notorious." }, { "end_time": "1:07:07", "start_time": "1:07:07", "text": "So you go." }, { "end_time": "1:07:09", "start_time": "1:07:07", "text": "I was second in command that time." }, { "end_time": "1:07:09", "start_time": "1:07:09", "text": "I'd gone there." }, { "end_time": "1:07:15", "start_time": "1:07:11", "text": "There was some, senior officer's daughter, some general visiting." }, { "end_time": "1:07:15", "start_time": "1:07:15", "text": "She said, k." }, { "end_time": "1:07:18", "start_time": "1:07:15", "text": "We want to have Maggie and, you know, and all that." }, { "end_time": "1:07:20", "start_time": "1:07:18", "text": "I said, my food is already ready." }, { "end_time": "1:07:21", "start_time": "1:07:20", "text": "He said, I'll go waste." }, { "end_time": "1:07:26", "start_time": "1:07:23", "text": "And there were a lot of people that I do for this." }, { "end_time": "1:07:27", "start_time": "1:07:26", "text": "Anyway, it was done." }, { "end_time": "1:07:33", "start_time": "1:07:28", "text": "Although although not easy to manage for those many Maggies and those fancy items, it was prepared." }, { "end_time": "1:07:39", "start_time": "1:07:34", "text": "And next day, I got everyone the single podium audio, and I started playing some pictures." }, { "end_time": "1:07:40", "start_time": "1:07:39", "text": "I want to show you something." }, { "end_time": "1:07:47", "start_time": "1:07:41", "text": "And then I'd shown them pictures where, people were drinking kettle urine, your a kettle urine." }, { "end_time": "1:07:47", "start_time": "1:07:47", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:07:53", "start_time": "1:07:48", "text": "And with small, small pipes, they were trying to collect 1 one drop of the blood of the water." }, { "end_time": "1:07:54", "start_time": "1:07:53", "text": "This is from Sudan?" }, { "end_time": "1:07:55", "start_time": "1:07:54", "text": "From Sudan." }, { "end_time": "1:07:58", "start_time": "1:07:55", "text": "And there was a point in stage and with some music and some message I returned." }, { "end_time": "1:08:00", "start_time": "1:07:58", "text": "I was showing to those children." }, { "end_time": "1:08:02", "start_time": "1:08:00", "text": "They started singing and then few of the girls, they started crying." }, { "end_time": "1:08:04", "start_time": "1:08:02", "text": "They said, please stop it." }, { "end_time": "1:08:05", "start_time": "1:08:04", "text": "Now why should I stop it?" }, { "end_time": "1:08:08", "start_time": "1:08:05", "text": "You do you're not ashamed of doing something very funny." }, { "end_time": "1:08:09", "start_time": "1:08:08", "text": "I'm showing you the reality." }, { "end_time": "1:08:11", "start_time": "1:08:09", "text": "Go through it and look up." }, { "end_time": "1:08:12", "start_time": "1:08:11", "text": "I've shown it to them." }, { "end_time": "1:08:15", "start_time": "1:08:12", "text": "Lot of children, they had, water in their eyes." }, { "end_time": "1:08:17", "start_time": "1:08:15", "text": "Few of them, they cried also." }, { "end_time": "1:08:19", "start_time": "1:08:17", "text": "They said, mate, do you know what is this?" }, { "end_time": "1:08:21", "start_time": "1:08:19", "text": "Then I told them, k, this is Sudan." }, { "end_time": "1:08:24", "start_time": "1:08:22", "text": "They are real photographs, not real photographs." }, { "end_time": "1:08:29", "start_time": "1:08:26", "text": "And, thereafter, I had shown them other photographs." }, { "end_time": "1:08:33", "start_time": "1:08:30", "text": "But this was the food which was prepared yesterday night, which has gone wasted." }, { "end_time": "1:08:36", "start_time": "1:08:33", "text": "And because we are setting a location, there is no one to consume." }, { "end_time": "1:08:38", "start_time": "1:08:37", "text": "Food worth so much gone wasted." }, { "end_time": "1:08:41", "start_time": "1:08:39", "text": "But then I called that guy who would prepare the food." }, { "end_time": "1:08:43", "start_time": "1:08:41", "text": "Now please you tell them what time you wake up in the morning." }, { "end_time": "1:08:48", "start_time": "1:08:43", "text": "He says, sir, for a 100,000 children, I barely sleep for about 2 hours." }, { "end_time": "1:08:52", "start_time": "1:08:49", "text": "I get up at early 3 in the morning so that I can prepare their breakfast." }, { "end_time": "1:08:54", "start_time": "1:08:52", "text": "May you know anyone of you know his name?" }, { "end_time": "1:08:56", "start_time": "1:08:54", "text": "You don't even know bloody his name." }, { "end_time": "1:08:58", "start_time": "1:08:57", "text": "You're least interested." }, { "end_time": "1:09:01", "start_time": "1:08:58", "text": "As far as you're getting warm food, fancy food, you're okay with it." }, { "end_time": "1:09:02", "start_time": "1:09:01", "text": "But where was the requirement?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:05", "start_time": "1:09:02", "text": "And yesterday, you nobody would have died if you and I you were not having Maggie." }, { "end_time": "1:09:10", "start_time": "1:09:06", "text": "But you want it and you had at the cost of wasting of so much of food." }, { "end_time": "1:09:14", "start_time": "1:09:10", "text": "And there are people who are actually drinking cattle urine because there is no water." }, { "end_time": "1:09:16", "start_time": "1:09:14", "text": "Do you wanna try?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:16", "start_time": "1:09:16", "text": "Nah." }, { "end_time": "1:09:19", "start_time": "1:09:16", "text": "Of course, you can't because, you know, there are better options available with you." }, { "end_time": "1:09:21", "start_time": "1:09:20", "text": "But the lesson was driven home." }, { "end_time": "1:09:28", "start_time": "1:09:21", "text": "If the idea was well received by their kids in the environment, lot of, they got emotional and a few boys and girls, they came, said we came." }, { "end_time": "1:09:29", "start_time": "1:09:28", "text": "So can I hug you?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:29", "start_time": "1:09:29", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "1:09:31", "start_time": "1:09:29", "text": "More than I hear, ma'am, please." }, { "end_time": "1:09:32", "start_time": "1:09:31", "text": "Can I hug you?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:33", "start_time": "1:09:32", "text": "Uh-huh." }, { "end_time": "1:09:39", "start_time": "1:09:33", "text": "Please, As such with this, I'm actually you've been getting in my mouth." }, { "end_time": "1:09:42", "start_time": "1:09:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:09:44", "start_time": "1:09:42", "text": "In the middle of one of our takes, we lit a candle." }, { "end_time": "1:09:46", "start_time": "1:09:44", "text": "It's turned into a military date of sorts." }, { "end_time": "1:09:47", "start_time": "1:09:46", "text": "A military date." }, { "end_time": "1:09:48", "start_time": "1:09:47", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:09:49", "start_time": "1:09:48", "text": "But go on." }, { "end_time": "1:09:52", "start_time": "1:09:49", "text": "So, Usman, idea was well received by the kids." }, { "end_time": "1:09:56", "start_time": "1:09:52", "text": "And thereafter, it was every they started saying thanks to that guy." }, { "end_time": "1:09:59", "start_time": "1:09:56", "text": "Got to know more about the guy who used to prepare food with them." }, { "end_time": "1:10:02", "start_time": "1:09:59", "text": "They were thankful, and they never wasted food." }, { "end_time": "1:10:05", "start_time": "1:10:02", "text": "Today also when I'm training my kids, I ensure I have meal with them." }, { "end_time": "1:10:09", "start_time": "1:10:05", "text": "Not even single piece of food is left in the plate." }, { "end_time": "1:10:11", "start_time": "1:10:09", "text": "I ensured this, and they don't leave ever." }, { "end_time": "1:10:18", "start_time": "1:10:12", "text": "I've had a lot of military podcasts, And, I've had a lot of podcasts in general." }, { "end_time": "1:10:18", "start_time": "1:10:18", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:10:24", "start_time": "1:10:19", "text": "My favorite podcast is the military podcast because there's real experiences just like this." }, { "end_time": "1:10:29", "start_time": "1:10:24", "text": "You've had one of, like, the wildest life experiences at least that I've encountered on the show." }, { "end_time": "1:10:35", "start_time": "1:10:31", "text": "As we were talking, I was, like, noticing, you know, your emotional state as well." }, { "end_time": "1:10:40", "start_time": "1:10:35", "text": "And, I noticed that there is a lot of memories that are still alive." }, { "end_time": "1:10:46", "start_time": "1:10:40", "text": "May maybe some of which are not voluntarily there inside your mind." }, { "end_time": "1:10:50", "start_time": "1:10:46", "text": "In terms of maybe it's things you're trying to get out, but they're just not going on." }, { "end_time": "1:10:51", "start_time": "1:10:50", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "1:10:52", "start_time": "1:10:51", "text": "It's just what I sensed." }, { "end_time": "1:10:55", "start_time": "1:10:52", "text": "I I do feel that there are memories that are alive in it." }, { "end_time": "1:10:57", "start_time": "1:10:55", "text": "Firstly, anything which is not positive." }, { "end_time": "1:11:01", "start_time": "1:10:59", "text": "There is nothing in it which I carry in mind." }, { "end_time": "1:11:03", "start_time": "1:11:01", "text": "This is one good thing I consider about myself." }, { "end_time": "1:11:05", "start_time": "1:11:03", "text": "I take things as they come." }, { "end_time": "1:11:05", "start_time": "1:11:05", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:11:06", "start_time": "1:11:05", "text": "Everything is momentary." }, { "end_time": "1:11:07", "start_time": "1:11:06", "text": "Some action happened." }, { "end_time": "1:11:08", "start_time": "1:11:07", "text": "It was there only." }, { "end_time": "1:11:09", "start_time": "1:11:08", "text": "I left it." }, { "end_time": "1:11:12", "start_time": "1:11:09", "text": "I kept only the good things and the lesson which I can pass on to someone." }, { "end_time": "1:11:18", "start_time": "1:11:12", "text": "Colonel Rajeev, this is never going to get over this podcast if we keep talking." }, { "end_time": "1:11:21", "start_time": "1:11:18", "text": "We actually have to move into a Hindi conversation as well." }, { "end_time": "1:11:28", "start_time": "1:11:21", "text": "I feel you've got that width of experiences and, know how when it comes to the military life." }, { "end_time": "1:11:32", "start_time": "1:11:29", "text": "As with every military episode, firstly, I salute you, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:11:34", "start_time": "1:11:32", "text": "Thank you for your service." }, { "end_time": "1:11:36", "start_time": "1:11:34", "text": "Thank you for your service to the nation." }, { "end_time": "1:11:47", "start_time": "1:11:37", "text": "On behalf of the youth, like, trust me, people have just begun to understand more about the military and, the contributions of people like yourself." }, { "end_time": "1:11:50", "start_time": "1:11:48", "text": "So, please be on more podcast online." }, { "end_time": "1:11:54", "start_time": "1:11:50", "text": "So I feel like these stories and experiences need to be out there." }, { "end_time": "1:11:56", "start_time": "1:11:55", "text": "That's that's one request." }, { "end_time": "1:12:00", "start_time": "1:11:56", "text": "Secondly, this is so heavy an episode for me." }, { "end_time": "1:12:04", "start_time": "1:12:00", "text": "It's going to take me time to just absorb all of it." }, { "end_time": "1:12:07", "start_time": "1:12:04", "text": "And I'm saying this to you because I really appreciate that." }, { "end_time": "1:12:08", "start_time": "1:12:07", "text": "Like Thank you so very much." }, { "end_time": "1:12:09", "start_time": "1:12:08", "text": "But, and we threw you and your team." }, { "end_time": "1:12:11", "start_time": "1:12:09", "text": "And one last statement I would Sure." }, { "end_time": "1:12:17", "start_time": "1:12:12", "text": "There are thousands of of my experience, defense experience, you know, every year who want to join forces." }, { "end_time": "1:12:24", "start_time": "1:12:17", "text": "But because they could not clear through some stage or the medical issue or something, you know, they have not been able to make it make it." }, { "end_time": "1:12:26", "start_time": "1:12:24", "text": "And they lose their heart." }, { "end_time": "1:12:29", "start_time": "1:12:26", "text": "The only one message for them is, you know, it's not about uniform." }, { "end_time": "1:12:30", "start_time": "1:12:29", "text": "I can understand that, please." }, { "end_time": "1:12:32", "start_time": "1:12:30", "text": "I also was youngster sometime." }, { "end_time": "1:12:33", "start_time": "1:12:32", "text": "I'm still young, you know." }, { "end_time": "1:12:36", "start_time": "1:12:34", "text": "But, you know, it's not about uniform." }, { "end_time": "1:12:38", "start_time": "1:12:36", "text": "It is that attitude that you carry." }, { "end_time": "1:12:42", "start_time": "1:12:38", "text": "You don't require a uniform and to actually do good something for your nation." }, { "end_time": "1:12:50", "start_time": "1:12:43", "text": "As a citizen, as a student in whatever capacity, wherever you are, I always feel a soldier is by heart, not by uniform." }, { "end_time": "1:12:54", "start_time": "1:12:50", "text": "I have seen many of them in uniform, not worth being this whole, at least few of them." }, { "end_time": "1:12:58", "start_time": "1:12:55", "text": "And I've seen many of them who had never donned a uniform, but they are amazing." }, { "end_time": "1:13:00", "start_time": "1:12:59", "text": "You know, they carry that attitude." }, { "end_time": "1:13:01", "start_time": "1:13:00", "text": "So it is all by heart." }, { "end_time": "1:13:05", "start_time": "1:13:01", "text": "Don't lose heart and be a soul that is all by the heart, not by uniform." }, { "end_time": "1:13:06", "start_time": "1:13:05", "text": "So That's right." }, { "end_time": "1:13:07", "start_time": "1:13:06", "text": "Percent." }, { "end_time": "1:13:10", "start_time": "1:13:08", "text": "More on a Hindi episode." }, { "end_time": "1:13:11", "start_time": "1:13:10", "text": "That's what I will say." }, { "end_time": "1:13:14", "start_time": "1:13:11", "text": "Just thank you for doing this particular episode." }, { "end_time": "1:13:15", "start_time": "1:13:14", "text": "Seriously Thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:13:16", "start_time": "1:13:15", "text": "This was something else." }, { "end_time": "1:13:19", "start_time": "1:13:16", "text": "Like, this has been one of my most memorable shoot days, and I mean that." }, { "end_time": "1:13:21", "start_time": "1:13:19", "text": "Like, I enjoyed it." }, { "end_time": "1:13:22", "start_time": "1:13:21", "text": "I enjoyed it with you." }, { "end_time": "1:13:24", "start_time": "1:13:22", "text": "I felt absolutely at home here." }, { "end_time": "1:13:26", "start_time": "1:13:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:13:29", "start_time": "1:13:26", "text": "Came to my mind and I fell from here and I just said it." }, { "end_time": "1:13:30", "start_time": "1:13:29", "text": "Well, thank you, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:13:32", "start_time": "1:13:30", "text": "Lots more episodes in you that we need to extract." }, { "end_time": "1:13:34", "start_time": "1:13:33", "text": "Any anytime at your disposal." }, { "end_time": "1:13:35", "start_time": "1:13:34", "text": "Thank you, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:13:35", "start_time": "1:13:35", "text": "Thank you, dear." }, { "end_time": "1:13:36", "start_time": "1:13:35", "text": "God bless." }, { "end_time": "1:13:38", "start_time": "1:13:36", "text": "That was the episode for today." }, { "end_time": "1:13:42", "start_time": "1:13:38", "text": "Now you understand what I was saying in the intro." }, { "end_time": "1:13:46", "start_time": "1:13:42", "text": "Try understanding what it's like for me to create these kind of podcasts." }, { "end_time": "1:13:57", "start_time": "1:13:46", "text": "There is definitely some sort of an exchange of energy, and I'm not someone who's gone through military school or, you know, special forces courses." }, { "end_time": "1:14:10", "start_time": "1:13:57", "text": "So I'm not mentally ready to face the realities that these human beings bring on these episodes, but what I do love is the expansion of consciousness I feel after every single military podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:14:19", "start_time": "1:14:10", "text": "Internally, the Beer by Sev's team has decided to do one military podcast in Hindi and one in English every single month." }, { "end_time": "1:14:21", "start_time": "1:14:19", "text": "So you have a lot more pieces like this coming up." }, { "end_time": "1:14:23", "start_time": "1:14:21", "text": "Just keep following TRS." }, { "end_time": "1:14:30", "start_time": "1:14:23", "text": "We've switched up our strategy in terms of guest selection, and military stories are right up there." }, { "end_time": "1:14:40", "start_time": "1:14:30", "text": "We recorded an incredible Hindi piece with colonel Rajiv Veroan as well, and I definitely recommend you check out our Hindi podcast as well if you haven't already checked it out." }, { "end_time": "1:14:42", "start_time": "1:14:41", "text": "We have highlights channels." }, { "end_time": "1:14:47", "start_time": "1:14:42", "text": "That's TRS clips and TRS clips Hindi that are set up on YouTube." }, { "end_time": "1:14:54", "start_time": "1:14:47", "text": "You can just get highlights of all the episodes arranged very neatly for you to consume." }, { "end_time": "1:14:58", "start_time": "1:14:55", "text": "I hope you're enjoying every bit of TRS and TRS Hindi." }, { "end_time": "1:14:59", "start_time": "1:14:58", "text": "Make sure you follow us on Spotify." }, { "end_time": "1:15:05", "start_time": "1:14:59", "text": "Every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world." }, { "end_time": "1:15:06", "start_time": "1:15:05", "text": "Yep." }, 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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:06", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "Absolutely honored to bring everyone this episode of the Ranveer Show with Major Gaurav Arya." }, { "end_time": "0:13", "start_time": "0:06", "text": "Geopolitics, the politics of the world, politics on an international stage, country versus country dynamics." }, { "end_time": "0:18", "start_time": "0:13", "text": "This has become one of the themes of the Ranveer show lately." }, { "end_time": "0:22", "start_time": "0:18", "text": "Major Gauravarya has been one of the most requested guests on the show." }, { "end_time": "0:26", "start_time": "0:22", "text": "Absolutely honored to bring this veteran of the Indian army on TRS." }, { "end_time": "0:29", "start_time": "0:27", "text": "Make sure you follow TRS on Spotify." }, { "end_time": "0:37", "start_time": "0:29", "text": "We're a Spotify exclusive now, which means that every episode is available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world." }, { "end_time": "0:42", "start_time": "0:37", "text": "Enjoy this heavy, enriching episode with Major Gaurav Arya." }, { "end_time": "1:00", "start_time": "0:58", "text": "Mister Gaurav Arya, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:01", "start_time": "1:00", "text": "Thank you for being on the Ranveer Show." }, { "end_time": "1:03", "start_time": "1:01", "text": "You're one of the most requested episodes." }, { "end_time": "1:05", "start_time": "1:03", "text": "It's an honor having you on the show, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:06", "start_time": "1:05", "text": "Thank you very much." }, { "end_time": "1:07", "start_time": "1:06", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:11", "start_time": "1:08", "text": "Let's dive straight into it, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:23", "start_time": "1:11", "text": "We're talking a lot about geopolitics nowadays on the Indian Internet, and I think at least from what I can tell on your Twitter, that's one of the goals to educate the arm junta about geopolitics." }, { "end_time": "1:28", "start_time": "1:24", "text": "So I'd love to hear about geopolitics from you, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:32", "start_time": "1:28", "text": "Like, for someone who doesn't know anything about geopolitics, where would you begin that explanation?" }, { "end_time": "1:48", "start_time": "1:34", "text": "I I would begin by, you know, telling people that we have had a history of invasions in India, and we have a history of fighting back and the way our immediate geopolitical surroundings, geostrategic surroundings are changing." }, { "end_time": "2:00", "start_time": "1:49", "text": "I think it's time for India to be more aggressive, take the front foot and actually start not reacting, but preempting things in our immediate neighborhood." }, { "end_time": "2:01", "start_time": "2:00", "text": "You know, Afghanistan is burning." }, { "end_time": "2:03", "start_time": "2:02", "text": "What are we doing in Afghanistan?" }, { "end_time": "2:06", "start_time": "2:04", "text": "Pakistan is getting unsettled very fast." }, { "end_time": "2:08", "start_time": "2:07", "text": "China is taking interest." }, { "end_time": "2:09", "start_time": "2:08", "text": "Iran is taking interest." }, { "end_time": "2:10", "start_time": "2:09", "text": "Turkey is involved." }, { "end_time": "2:13", "start_time": "2:10", "text": "The United States of America has repositioned itself." }, { "end_time": "2:17", "start_time": "2:13", "text": "What is going on and, you know, how will it in the short term and long term impact India?" }, { "end_time": "2:24", "start_time": "2:18", "text": "Is, you know, in a nutshell is what I would like to sort of, talk about and that is my focus generally nowadays." }, { "end_time": "2:29", "start_time": "2:26", "text": "What is the scenario for the near future, sir?" }, { "end_time": "2:36", "start_time": "2:29", "text": "Like with the COVID pandemic happening all over the world, what are we looking at say in the next 10 to 20 years, like according to you?" }, { "end_time": "2:58", "start_time": "2:37", "text": "I think, I I have I have very strong reasons to believe that, you know, this entire COVID thing is, you know, it's a bioweapon, which is what even the US president, Joe Biden, he did not say it in so many words, but he did say that this needs to be investigated and the investigation results will be out shortly." }, { "end_time": "3:02", "start_time": "2:59", "text": "What actually you are specifically about COVID." }, { "end_time": "3:07", "start_time": "3:02", "text": "So let me tell you that, you know what worries me is that, this virus is geographically sensitive." }, { "end_time": "3:15", "start_time": "3:08", "text": "It's it's like almost and I don't want to make light of it because millions of people have died, but it's like it's got a GPS attached to it." }, { "end_time": "3:25", "start_time": "3:15", "text": "So, in in in Indian Punjab, let us say we talk about Atari, which is our side of the border in Indian Punjab, there is a problem." }, { "end_time": "3:30", "start_time": "3:25", "text": "But in Wagga, which is 200 meters ahead of Atari, 300 meters ahead." }, { "end_time": "3:33", "start_time": "3:31", "text": "Similar problems don't exist while there is COVID in Pakistan." }, { "end_time": "3:35", "start_time": "3:33", "text": "There is no doubting it." }, { "end_time": "3:39", "start_time": "3:35", "text": "So in West Bengal, there is a certain strain of COVID, and this COVID is not to be found in Bangladesh." }, { "end_time": "3:52", "start_time": "3:40", "text": "If you look at Uttar Pradesh, you have a strain of COVID, which is in Gorakhpur, but few kilometers ahead is Nepal, and you don't have the same strain of COVID in Nepal." }, { "end_time": "3:53", "start_time": "3:52", "text": "I do not know." }, { "end_time": "3:56", "start_time": "3:53", "text": "I'm I'm not a virologist." }, { "end_time": "4:01", "start_time": "3:56", "text": "I'm not a trained scientist, but, you know, these things set me thinking." }, { "end_time": "4:09", "start_time": "4:01", "text": "So 20, 30 years the line, I don't know what is going to happen, but down the line, I think we are going to have more mutations and this is going to be used further." }, { "end_time": "4:10", "start_time": "4:09", "text": "Not just COVID." }, { "end_time": "4:22", "start_time": "4:10", "text": "I'm saying not just coronavirus, any other virus because, it it leaves very little telltale signs, there is no destruction of property, it is targeted, and it is stable." }, { "end_time": "4:24", "start_time": "4:22", "text": "This is the perfect weapon." }, { "end_time": "4:24", "start_time": "4:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:28", "start_time": "4:25", "text": "So I think China's and other world powers are going to work more and more on this." }, { "end_time": "4:29", "start_time": "4:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:38", "start_time": "4:29", "text": "We had the historian and astrophysicist Abhijit Chawla on the show, and I had a detailed discussion with him about the same topic, and he echoed the same thoughts." }, { "end_time": "4:41", "start_time": "4:39", "text": "You know, he had his own, like, version of it." }, { "end_time": "4:44", "start_time": "4:41", "text": "He's a scientist, so he kind of broke it down even from that perspective." }, { "end_time": "4:51", "start_time": "4:44", "text": "And I think you mentioned that you're not a biologist or virologist, but he spoke a little bit from that perspective, and he agrees completely." }, { "end_time": "4:56", "start_time": "4:51", "text": "And I think that's the narrative that's kind of, making it to mainstream media nowadays." }, { "end_time": "4:58", "start_time": "4:56", "text": "People are realizing what's happening in the world." }, { "end_time": "5:04", "start_time": "4:58", "text": "So, but, you know, since you mentioned this web, this word called weapon, it's a bioweapon." }, { "end_time": "5:10", "start_time": "5:04", "text": "I remember hearing the word bioweapon for the first time when I used to watch reports of the Iraq war when I was a kid." }, { "end_time": "5:15", "start_time": "5:10", "text": "Like, you know, when when, the US had invaded, Saddam Hussein's Iraq." }, { "end_time": "5:20", "start_time": "5:15", "text": "And bioweapons were just spoken of as this possible concept that time." }, { "end_time": "5:22", "start_time": "5:20", "text": "But I think we're living through it, sir." }, { "end_time": "5:34", "start_time": "5:23", "text": "If you could elaborate a little bit more on the concept of bio weapons, you know, just just from whatever context you wish to reveal to the public, we'd really appreciate that." }, { "end_time": "5:35", "start_time": "5:34", "text": "So, like, what's out there?" }, { "end_time": "5:37", "start_time": "5:35", "text": "How harmful can it be?" }, { "end_time": "5:40", "start_time": "5:38", "text": "So it's it's called gain of function." }, { "end_time": "5:45", "start_time": "5:41", "text": "Gain of function is, think of it as a virus on steroids." }, { "end_time": "5:53", "start_time": "5:46", "text": "What you do is, you take a virus, you isolate it, and then using technology, you make it more dangerous." }, { "end_time": "6:05", "start_time": "5:55", "text": "So the symptoms on the human being who is infected with this virus are more severe and the virus mutates frequently." }, { "end_time": "6:14", "start_time": "6:06", "text": "So remember the first wave, the first wave of coronavirus everybody was scared but there was no requirement of oxygen as such." }, { "end_time": "6:16", "start_time": "6:14", "text": "It it was it was normal." }, { "end_time": "6:25", "start_time": "6:16", "text": "In the 2nd wave, suddenly this whole oxygen thing started coming up that, you know, the country is, really short of oxygen and people are dying because there is no oxygen, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "6:27", "start_time": "6:25", "text": "So we've all gone through that." }, { "end_time": "6:30", "start_time": "6:28", "text": "What is the mutation going to take in the 3rd wave?" }, { "end_time": "6:31", "start_time": "6:30", "text": "So this mutates frequently." }, { "end_time": "6:33", "start_time": "6:33", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "6:46", "start_time": "6:34", "text": "It is isolated and this gain of function is there's one doctor called doctor Andrew Fauci in the United States of America who actually funded the gain of research, a gain of function research in these Wuhan labs in China." }, { "end_time": "6:49", "start_time": "6:46", "text": "And this is how you see bio weapons bio weapons is not a new thing." }, { "end_time": "6:50", "start_time": "6:49", "text": "It's it's very old." }, { "end_time": "6:52", "start_time": "6:50", "text": "It's almost a century old." }, { "end_time": "6:56", "start_time": "6:52", "text": "So in the army, we call it the NDC, nuclear, biological, and chemical." }, { "end_time": "6:59", "start_time": "6:57", "text": "These are 3 kinds of weapons of mass destruction." }, { "end_time": "7:03", "start_time": "7:00", "text": "Nuclear we're aware of, chemical weapons are also there, and biological weapons." }, { "end_time": "7:21", "start_time": "7:03", "text": "So in biological weapons basically viruses and bacteria are used, gain of function is applied, they're made more dangerous, and then through water, through the air, through various kind of, you know, contagion or various kind of, you know, you know, you touch and it spreads, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "7:26", "start_time": "7:21", "text": "That is how these, viruses and these, you know, biological weapons are spread all over." }, { "end_time": "7:27", "start_time": "7:26", "text": "Economies are shattered." }, { "end_time": "7:29", "start_time": "7:28", "text": "People die." }, { "end_time": "7:32", "start_time": "7:29", "text": "And this is another way of making a country weak." }, { "end_time": "7:35", "start_time": "7:32", "text": "Now except for China, everybody's economy has taken a hit." }, { "end_time": "7:39", "start_time": "7:35", "text": "China's economy has grown in the coronavirus times." }, { "end_time": "7:43", "start_time": "7:39", "text": "So, yes, this is a bioweapon and this in a nutshell is what I'd like to say." }, { "end_time": "7:50", "start_time": "7:45", "text": "So is the purpose of economic growth, you know, only to fuel war?" }, { "end_time": "7:54", "start_time": "7:50", "text": "Like, what I mean, what is going to happen after this?" }, { "end_time": "8:00", "start_time": "7:54", "text": "Say we actually battle the whole pandemic and the world kind of moves out of this pandemic situation." }, { "end_time": "8:04", "start_time": "8:00", "text": "What next once China has those economic advantages according to you?" }, { "end_time": "8:13", "start_time": "8:05", "text": "See, you know, we seem to think of war as bad and it's natural for human beings to think of war as bad." }, { "end_time": "8:18", "start_time": "8:13", "text": "It is undesirable and you could look at it from the prism of good and bad." }, { "end_time": "8:21", "start_time": "8:19", "text": "But the point is that war is inevitable." }, { "end_time": "8:22", "start_time": "8:21", "text": "War always happens." }, { "end_time": "8:31", "start_time": "8:23", "text": "In in 5000 years of recorded human history, I'm not saying human history, I'm saying recorded human history, we've hardly had 200 years of peace." }, { "end_time": "8:33", "start_time": "8:32", "text": "Continuous peace." }, { "end_time": "8:35", "start_time": "8:33", "text": "It is in man's nature to fight." }, { "end_time": "8:37", "start_time": "8:35", "text": "It is in man's nature to wage war." }, { "end_time": "8:39", "start_time": "8:37", "text": "It is in man's nature to kill." }, { "end_time": "8:40", "start_time": "8:40", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "8:42", "start_time": "8:40", "text": "We are at the top of the food chain." }, { "end_time": "8:44", "start_time": "8:42", "text": "We kill animals for food." }, { "end_time": "8:46", "start_time": "8:45", "text": "We rule the world." }, { "end_time": "8:47", "start_time": "8:46", "text": "How did we get there?" }, { "end_time": "8:49", "start_time": "8:47", "text": "We didn't get there by being nice." }, { "end_time": "8:52", "start_time": "8:50", "text": "Human beings rule the roost today." }, { "end_time": "8:55", "start_time": "8:52", "text": "They're at the top of the food chain because we killed everybody else." }, { "end_time": "8:59", "start_time": "8:55", "text": "You see, so, anybody who says that war is bad, I think it's just being sanctimonious." }, { "end_time": "9:01", "start_time": "9:00", "text": "This is natural." }, { "end_time": "9:02", "start_time": "9:01", "text": "We are not we are not saying good and bad." }, { "end_time": "9:04", "start_time": "9:02", "text": "So we are not going there and saying that." }, { "end_time": "9:05", "start_time": "9:04", "text": "Of course, it's avoidable." }, { "end_time": "9:06", "start_time": "9:05", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "9:08", "start_time": "9:06", "text": "People die and nobody wants that to happen." }, { "end_time": "9:12", "start_time": "9:08", "text": "But the fact of the matter is this is this is, human history here." }, { "end_time": "9:15", "start_time": "9:12", "text": "We have been killing each other bare hands with bare hands." }, { "end_time": "9:23", "start_time": "9:15", "text": "We've been killing each other with stones and nothing has developed faster in this world than weaponization of normal objects." }, { "end_time": "9:30", "start_time": "9:24", "text": "People used to use, you know, flint and rock and stone to light fires." }, { "end_time": "9:38", "start_time": "9:31", "text": "Then somebody took a piece of flint and tied it to a to a piece of wood and it became a spear and they started using it for hunting." }, { "end_time": "9:45", "start_time": "9:38", "text": "So weaponization of solar energy, weaponization of space, Weaponization of everything." }, { "end_time": "9:49", "start_time": "9:46", "text": "You see, today people have weaponized social media." }, { "end_time": "9:50", "start_time": "9:49", "text": "They've weaponized Twitter." }, { "end_time": "9:55", "start_time": "9:51", "text": "These things keep on happening time and again and this is our true nature." }, { "end_time": "9:57", "start_time": "9:55", "text": "We must understand this is our true nature." }, { "end_time": "10:00", "start_time": "9:57", "text": "I'm not again giving a certificate saying this is good or bad." }, { "end_time": "10:00", "start_time": "10:00", "text": "This is our true nature." }, { "end_time": "10:03", "start_time": "10:00", "text": "And one thing I'm saying that this will continue." }, { "end_time": "10:14", "start_time": "10:03", "text": "War will keep on getting more sophisticated and there will always be people with fact checkbooks who are willing to buy the latest and more sophisticated and efficient weapons that kill you." }, { "end_time": "10:20", "start_time": "10:15", "text": "So while we may say that, you know, war is bad and of course it is bad, but war is not going anywhere." }, { "end_time": "10:22", "start_time": "10:21", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:30", "start_time": "10:23", "text": "So considering what the Chinese Communist Party is doing, do you think the purpose of war for them is just geographical expansion?" }, { "end_time": "10:32", "start_time": "10:30", "text": "Like, are they trying to expand the country?" }, { "end_time": "10:37", "start_time": "10:32", "text": "I mean, I know they kind of already are with the whole, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh angle." }, { "end_time": "10:42", "start_time": "10:38", "text": "I mean, so for 1, could you expand on that Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh angle?" }, { "end_time": "10:49", "start_time": "10:42", "text": "And 2, could you, expand on what you believe is the reason China is even kind of moving towards the possibility of warfare?" }, { "end_time": "10:53", "start_time": "10:50", "text": "See, this is called war by other means." }, { "end_time": "10:57", "start_time": "10:54", "text": "So there is a very famous saying that all war is deceit." }, { "end_time": "11:04", "start_time": "10:58", "text": "Even in our shastras and, they mentioned deception as a way of war." }, { "end_time": "11:10", "start_time": "11:06", "text": "Kotilya's Arthashastra mentions, 4 ways of getting a thing done." }, { "end_time": "11:15", "start_time": "11:12", "text": "Four ways by which an objective can be achieved." }, { "end_time": "11:16", "start_time": "11:15", "text": "A nation's objective can be achieved." }, { "end_time": "11:18", "start_time": "11:17", "text": "One is sam." }, { "end_time": "11:21", "start_time": "11:19", "text": "Sam is by way of convincing a person." }, { "end_time": "11:22", "start_time": "11:21", "text": "This is what diplomats do." }, { "end_time": "11:24", "start_time": "11:23", "text": "Damn." }, { "end_time": "11:26", "start_time": "11:24", "text": "It is by way of economic benefit." }, { "end_time": "11:31", "start_time": "11:27", "text": "Like, you know, for example, India sends vaccines free of cost to various countries." }, { "end_time": "11:34", "start_time": "11:32", "text": "India helps in the reconstruction of Afghanistan." }, { "end_time": "11:35", "start_time": "11:34", "text": "This is dham." }, { "end_time": "11:37", "start_time": "11:36", "text": "There is dand." }, { "end_time": "11:43", "start_time": "11:37", "text": "Dand is by way of military force, which is what the Indian armed forces do, which they do to China and Pakistan." }, { "end_time": "11:44", "start_time": "11:43", "text": "And then there's bhed." }, { "end_time": "11:46", "start_time": "11:45", "text": "Bhed is by way of deception." }, { "end_time": "11:49", "start_time": "11:47", "text": "That is what the intelligence agencies do." }, { "end_time": "11:57", "start_time": "11:49", "text": "So this is a time honored, you know, a function of the government, how to achieve its aims outside and within its own territory." }, { "end_time": "11:59", "start_time": "11:57", "text": "Number 2, you asked about China." }, { "end_time": "12:02", "start_time": "11:59", "text": "You see, China has never put its military outside." }, { "end_time": "12:07", "start_time": "12:02", "text": "The last big adventure it tried was in Vietnam and it got hammered in 1979 in Vietnam." }, { "end_time": "12:13", "start_time": "12:08", "text": "China, you know, its economy really went forward." }, { "end_time": "12:22", "start_time": "12:13", "text": "China is the 2nd largest economy in the world today after the United States of America and China uses its checkbook you mentioned Bangladesh, Pakistan, Sri Lanka." }, { "end_time": "12:25", "start_time": "12:23", "text": "China does not have boots on the ground in either of these three countries." }, { "end_time": "12:39", "start_time": "12:26", "text": "But what China does is it typically selects the victims of the Chinese checkbook are typically small countries, Countries which have been unstable politically." }, { "end_time": "12:46", "start_time": "12:40", "text": "Countries which have a corrupt elite or corrupt leadership, like in the case of Pakistan or Sri Lanka." }, { "end_time": "12:52", "start_time": "12:46", "text": "And countries which, you know, there are people vying for positions of power even violently." }, { "end_time": "12:58", "start_time": "12:52", "text": "China typically moves into this space and China occupies this space." }, { "end_time": "13:03", "start_time": "12:58", "text": "For example, you must have heard of the Hanuman Totapot in, in in Sri Lanka." }, { "end_time": "13:08", "start_time": "13:04", "text": "Sri Lanka is looking for investment so that it can improve its infrastructure." }, { "end_time": "13:12", "start_time": "13:09", "text": "Now China says, okay, we'll build this port." }, { "end_time": "13:15", "start_time": "13:13", "text": "China builds the Hanman Tota port in Sri Lanka." }, { "end_time": "13:19", "start_time": "13:15", "text": "It builds the Gawadir port in in Balochistan and Pakistan." }, { "end_time": "13:21", "start_time": "13:20", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "13:34", "start_time": "13:21", "text": "Knowing fully well that Sri Lanka can never pay back the money invested, knowing fully back, fully well from day 1 that the return on investment on these ports is sunk on the day the project started, the Chinese knew." }, { "end_time": "13:42", "start_time": "13:35", "text": "So what you do is you bribe a couple of senior people, you bribe them, they sign the contract on impossible terms." }, { "end_time": "13:52", "start_time": "13:44", "text": "Whether in Hanmatota port or in Gowadar, today Hanmatota port for all practical purposes is Chinese territory." }, { "end_time": "13:56", "start_time": "13:53", "text": "It is on a 99 year lease to China." }, { "end_time": "13:59", "start_time": "13:57", "text": "This is exactly the same thing that has been done to Pakistan." }, { "end_time": "14:07", "start_time": "13:59", "text": "I don't know if you're aware but, the Islamabad airport, the Karachi airport, the Lahore airport, the Multan airport has been mortgaged." }, { "end_time": "14:10", "start_time": "14:08", "text": "There is a park in f9 in Islamabad." }, { "end_time": "14:12", "start_time": "14:11", "text": "That entire park has been mortgaged." }, { "end_time": "14:21", "start_time": "14:13", "text": "Pakistan International Airlines, the entire airline along with this aircraft, assets, helicopters, everything has been mortgaged." }, { "end_time": "14:29", "start_time": "14:22", "text": "The Lahore Faisalabad motorway, the Islamabad Lahore motorway, 4, 5 motorways have been mortgaged the entire country." }, { "end_time": "14:35", "start_time": "14:30", "text": "Like you say in Hindi, This is what I'm trying to say." }, { "end_time": "14:37", "start_time": "14:35", "text": "So basically, this is economic warfare." }, { "end_time": "14:39", "start_time": "14:38", "text": "This is dame." }, { "end_time": "14:42", "start_time": "14:39", "text": "What China does is dame and dame." }, { "end_time": "14:46", "start_time": "14:43", "text": "So even their diplomats are called wolf warriors." }, { "end_time": "14:49", "start_time": "14:47", "text": "There is an aggressive kind of diplomacy." }, { "end_time": "14:52", "start_time": "14:49", "text": "Africa, you have a lot of unstable regimes in Africa." }, { "end_time": "14:53", "start_time": "14:52", "text": "What does China do?" }, { "end_time": "14:54", "start_time": "14:53", "text": "It moves in." }, { "end_time": "14:59", "start_time": "14:55", "text": "It talks to the corrupt elite and and you know, you know what the key is?" }, { "end_time": "15:02", "start_time": "15:00", "text": "I I sort of tried and figured it out." }, { "end_time": "15:04", "start_time": "15:03", "text": "Let's say Pakistan takes a loan." }, { "end_time": "15:06", "start_time": "15:04", "text": "Who sanctions the loan?" }, { "end_time": "15:12", "start_time": "15:07", "text": "Pakistan needs $5,000,000,000 The sanctioning authority is the prime minister and the parliament." }, { "end_time": "15:16", "start_time": "15:14", "text": "The terms are hidden from the common people." }, { "end_time": "15:24", "start_time": "15:17", "text": "The terms are hidden from the rest of the world because that is what the deal says, that you cannot reveal China Pakistan Economic Corridor's terms and conditions." }, { "end_time": "15:25", "start_time": "15:24", "text": "These are top secret, these are state secrets." }, { "end_time": "15:28", "start_time": "15:26", "text": "So who decides that Pakistan has to take a loan?" }, { "end_time": "15:33", "start_time": "15:28", "text": "It is one individual who pays back, the entire nation pays back." }, { "end_time": "15:34", "start_time": "15:33", "text": "How does it pay back?" }, { "end_time": "15:38", "start_time": "15:35", "text": "Rising fuel prices, rising gas prices, rising taxes." }, { "end_time": "15:50", "start_time": "15:38", "text": "Today, because of this quote unquote loan diplomacy, the State Bank of Pakistan, it's almost owned by the IMF, which is which is a western body, which is not a Chinese body." }, { "end_time": "15:54", "start_time": "15:51", "text": "But, you know, there are various parts of Pakistan that are owned by various other countries." }, { "end_time": "15:55", "start_time": "15:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:04", "start_time": "15:55", "text": "China owns their airports, China owns their motorways, most of the real estate in Pakistan, the strategic real estate in Pakistan, is actually owned by China as we speak today." }, { "end_time": "16:06", "start_time": "16:04", "text": "So this is war by other means." }, { "end_time": "16:08", "start_time": "16:06", "text": "This is war by the checkbook." }, { "end_time": "16:10", "start_time": "16:09", "text": "This is war by deception." }, { "end_time": "16:18", "start_time": "16:10", "text": "This is war by corrupting the elite leadership of a country, small country, typically politically unsettled, taking advantage." }, { "end_time": "16:19", "start_time": "16:18", "text": "China will never do that with India." }, { "end_time": "16:22", "start_time": "16:20", "text": "China can never do that with India." }, { "end_time": "16:22", "start_time": "16:22", "text": "It's impossible." }, { "end_time": "16:26", "start_time": "16:23", "text": "Because our systems are transparent for most of the time." }, { "end_time": "16:32", "start_time": "16:27", "text": "We have a strong political elite and India is a 130 crore, people country." }, { "end_time": "16:35", "start_time": "16:33", "text": "But smaller countries, Congo, yes." }, { "end_time": "16:37", "start_time": "16:36", "text": "Tanzania, absolutely." }, { "end_time": "16:39", "start_time": "16:37", "text": "Nigeria, let's do it." }, { "end_time": "16:41", "start_time": "16:39", "text": "Pakistan, absolutely, yes." }, { "end_time": "16:44", "start_time": "16:41", "text": "Bangladesh, maybe with a little bit of problem." }, { "end_time": "16:45", "start_time": "16:44", "text": "Nepal, sure." }, { "end_time": "16:47", "start_time": "16:46", "text": "Sri Lanka, absolutely." }, { "end_time": "16:52", "start_time": "16:47", "text": "So this is how they function without boots on ground, without soldiers." }, { "end_time": "16:54", "start_time": "16:53", "text": "Just the checkbook." }, { "end_time": "16:55", "start_time": "16:55", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "16:59", "start_time": "16:56", "text": "We've had some army veterans on the show, sir." }, { "end_time": "17:04", "start_time": "16:59", "text": "And one thing I've understood is that wars are won or loss based a lot on logistics." }, { "end_time": "17:09", "start_time": "17:04", "text": "So basically, if your logistics is sorted out, it's a very big advantage for you in war." }, { "end_time": "17:16", "start_time": "17:09", "text": "Now considering the fact that they have ports in Sri Lanka, their ports in, Pakistan, they have some power that they hold in Bangladesh." }, { "end_time": "17:19", "start_time": "17:16", "text": "I mean, the obvious target looks like India." }, { "end_time": "17:21", "start_time": "17:19", "text": "You know, India surrounded right now." }, { "end_time": "17:28", "start_time": "17:21", "text": "So so say that if there is a war, what is that war going to look like?" }, { "end_time": "17:31", "start_time": "17:28", "text": "And what are the possible outcomes of it?" }, { "end_time": "17:36", "start_time": "17:31", "text": "If India loses versus if China loses, what's going to happen next if there's an actual war?" }, { "end_time": "17:42", "start_time": "17:38", "text": "I think, it's, it's, not so simple." }, { "end_time": "17:50", "start_time": "17:43", "text": "You spoke about all these ports and all and obviously when you spoke to the veterans they must have told you that, they're being used by by China's naval bases." }, { "end_time": "17:54", "start_time": "17:51", "text": "So this is weaponization of trade." }, { "end_time": "17:58", "start_time": "17:55", "text": "We spoke about weaponization of viruses or bacteria." }, { "end_time": "18:02", "start_time": "17:58", "text": "We spoke about weaponization of the social media, space, solar energy." }, { "end_time": "18:05", "start_time": "18:03", "text": "Now I'll tell you something about weaponization of trade." }, { "end_time": "18:09", "start_time": "18:05", "text": "So these are essentially trade hubs or made to look like trade hubs." }, { "end_time": "18:11", "start_time": "18:09", "text": "But we've had Chinese submarines docking at Gavadar." }, { "end_time": "18:15", "start_time": "18:11", "text": "We've had Chinese naval submarines docking at Hanwantota port." }, { "end_time": "18:21", "start_time": "18:15", "text": "And once the Chinese take over, it's upon the Chinese, you know, it totally depends on the Chinese who they want there and who they don't want there." }, { "end_time": "18:21", "start_time": "18:21", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "18:25", "start_time": "18:22", "text": "Hanwantota port has not seen any traffic." }, { "end_time": "18:30", "start_time": "18:25", "text": "It was projected by Chinese consultants that this is going to be one of the top ports in the world." }, { "end_time": "18:32", "start_time": "18:31", "text": "But did it work out?" }, { "end_time": "18:32", "start_time": "18:32", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "18:34", "start_time": "18:32", "text": "It did not work out." }, { "end_time": "18:34", "start_time": "18:34", "text": "Gavadir." }, { "end_time": "18:36", "start_time": "18:35", "text": "Gavadir is a deep water port." }, { "end_time": "18:37", "start_time": "18:37", "text": "For what?" }, { "end_time": "18:39", "start_time": "18:38", "text": "You're going to have Chinese aircraft carriers there." }, { "end_time": "18:41", "start_time": "18:39", "text": "You're going to have Chinese submarines there." }, { "end_time": "18:43", "start_time": "18:41", "text": "So, yes, India is surrounded." }, { "end_time": "18:49", "start_time": "18:43", "text": "Now, I don't think that, it's a simple function of who loses and who wins in the next war if it happens." }, { "end_time": "18:57", "start_time": "18:51", "text": "China typically follows the policy of salami slicing, which is small bits of territory taken away." }, { "end_time": "18:59", "start_time": "18:58", "text": "China does not want a conflict." }, { "end_time": "19:05", "start_time": "19:00", "text": "Even when China came to Galwan and China came to East Ladakh, last year, China did not want a conflict." }, { "end_time": "19:07", "start_time": "19:05", "text": "It did not come prepared for a conflict." }, { "end_time": "19:10", "start_time": "19:08", "text": "And I'll give you 2, 3 reasons why it did not." }, { "end_time": "19:19", "start_time": "19:11", "text": "You know, when Chinese came absolutely bang on the line of actual control, they were actually sleeping in tents here." }, { "end_time": "19:25", "start_time": "19:20", "text": "So when you prepare for war, you don't sleep in tents, you sleep in bunkers, you sleep in trenches." }, { "end_time": "19:31", "start_time": "19:26", "text": "Because if there is artillery fire, if there is fire from top, a tent provides you with no protection." }, { "end_time": "19:37", "start_time": "19:32", "text": "Chinese just thought that let's do a little bit of muscle flexing and we'll scare India and we'll take away a little bit of territory." }, { "end_time": "19:39", "start_time": "19:37", "text": "Sort of teach India a lesson." }, { "end_time": "19:41", "start_time": "19:39", "text": "This has been the Chinese way of doing it." }, { "end_time": "19:44", "start_time": "19:41", "text": "You know, you stand up to China, they back off." }, { "end_time": "19:47", "start_time": "19:44", "text": "We stood up to China in Doklam, we stood up to China in East Ladakh, they backed off." }, { "end_time": "19:48", "start_time": "19:48", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "19:50", "start_time": "19:48", "text": "Today we have the quad." }, { "end_time": "19:57", "start_time": "19:51", "text": "We understand that China is an emerging military superpower and China is already an economic superpower." }, { "end_time": "20:00", "start_time": "19:58", "text": "Its economy fuels its military." }, { "end_time": "20:01", "start_time": "20:01", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "20:06", "start_time": "20:02", "text": "So say today, if someone says today that is China a military superpower?" }, { "end_time": "20:07", "start_time": "20:06", "text": "It's not." }, { "end_time": "20:10", "start_time": "20:08", "text": "Is it going to become a military superpower?" }, { "end_time": "20:11", "start_time": "20:10", "text": "Absolutely, yes." }, { "end_time": "20:13", "start_time": "20:11", "text": "But today it is not." }, { "end_time": "20:15", "start_time": "20:13", "text": "Today it's an economic superpower." }, { "end_time": "20:21", "start_time": "20:15", "text": "It is using that checkbook to buy stuff, to modernize its army." }, { "end_time": "20:30", "start_time": "20:21", "text": "But please remember, China's, you know, juggler vein is the seas." }, { "end_time": "20:32", "start_time": "20:31", "text": "The trade routes on the seas." }, { "end_time": "20:35", "start_time": "20:33", "text": "That is China's juggler vein." }, { "end_time": "20:51", "start_time": "20:35", "text": "If the quad, and all of us are aware of the quad, you know, Australia, Japan, America, and India, and the quad is very active in the South China Sea, if the quad tomorrow decides to squeeze and squeeze hard, the Chinese economy will collapse." }, { "end_time": "20:52", "start_time": "20:51", "text": "Do you think that's a possibility?" }, { "end_time": "20:53", "start_time": "20:52", "text": "Like Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "20:56", "start_time": "20:54", "text": "That is that is why the Quad has been created." }, { "end_time": "20:59", "start_time": "20:56", "text": "You see, why is China active in the Himalayas?" }, { "end_time": "21:02", "start_time": "20:59", "text": "I'd like to I'd like to tell you something more for the benefit of our viewers." }, { "end_time": "21:08", "start_time": "21:02", "text": "You see, what happens is that if you see all the wars, they've been fought up northeast or west here." }, { "end_time": "21:10", "start_time": "21:09", "text": "Alright?" }, { "end_time": "21:16", "start_time": "21:10", "text": "China wants to keep you busy in the mountains because in the mountains there is only the Indian army and the Chinese army." }, { "end_time": "21:27", "start_time": "21:16", "text": "There is no American army or Japanese army or Australian army, But if they come down to the seas, there are a whole bunch of people there with aircraft carriers and B 52 bombers, etcetera, who are willing to take out China." }, { "end_time": "21:33", "start_time": "21:27", "text": "And some of them are itching to go because I think China is frankly overreached and overstayed is welcome." }, { "end_time": "21:41", "start_time": "21:34", "text": "China is the only country which has, I think, a border with 12 or 13 nations and has a border dispute with 24 nations." }, { "end_time": "21:42", "start_time": "21:41", "text": "Can you beat that?" }, { "end_time": "21:45", "start_time": "21:42", "text": "A border dispute with 24 nations." }, { "end_time": "21:49", "start_time": "21:45", "text": "China has border disputes with nations that are 2 nations apart." }, { "end_time": "21:56", "start_time": "21:50", "text": "How can you have it's like saying it's like India saying that, you know, we have a border dispute with Tajikistan for heaven's sake." }, { "end_time": "21:57", "start_time": "21:56", "text": "How does that work?" }, { "end_time": "21:58", "start_time": "21:57", "text": "But China has border disputes." }, { "end_time": "22:01", "start_time": "21:58", "text": "It claimed a bloody war stock, which is a port in Russia." }, { "end_time": "22:04", "start_time": "22:01", "text": "It claimed bloody war stock last year." }, { "end_time": "22:10", "start_time": "22:04", "text": "So this is, you see, this is typically how, the Chinese would function and the Chinese would, you know, approach things." }, { "end_time": "22:17", "start_time": "22:10", "text": "Aggression, naked aggression, wolf warrior diplomacy, checkbook, and keep your army at bay." }, { "end_time": "22:27", "start_time": "22:18", "text": "You know, if China actually and last thing which I want to say is that if actually China got into a military conflict, a full fledged military conflict with any country, Heaven forbid, should that happen." }, { "end_time": "22:33", "start_time": "22:28", "text": "China will be in for a rude surprise because China has not won any war in the last 50 years." }, { "end_time": "22:43", "start_time": "22:34", "text": "In spite of all the muscle flexing that China does, you know, China is Vietnam dashed China up very badly in 1979." }, { "end_time": "22:48", "start_time": "22:44", "text": "China has not won any war in the last 50 years." }, { "end_time": "22:53", "start_time": "22:48", "text": "So all this impression about China being a superpower is essentially the Chinese bank balance and Chinese checkbook." }, { "end_time": "22:55", "start_time": "22:53", "text": "It's nothing to do with Chinese military." }, { "end_time": "23:01", "start_time": "22:56", "text": "So another thing I've understood about modern warfare in general okay." }, { "end_time": "23:02", "start_time": "23:01", "text": "So there's a couple of things." }, { "end_time": "23:13", "start_time": "23:02", "text": "Specifically about this conflict that we're talking, Is it true that the Navy kind of holds the power if there is actually a possibility of war?" }, { "end_time": "23:21", "start_time": "23:13", "text": "Like, is it true that the Indian, government in the Indian, armed forces need to focus a lot more on the Navy?" }, { "end_time": "23:23", "start_time": "23:21", "text": "That's one question for you." }, { "end_time": "23:28", "start_time": "23:23", "text": "And the second question for you, sir, we keep reading about cyber warfare, bio warfare, as you mentioned." }, { "end_time": "23:30", "start_time": "23:28", "text": "Now is that the future of war?" }, { "end_time": "23:33", "start_time": "23:30", "text": "There's also drone warfare that is spoken about nowadays." }, { "end_time": "23:37", "start_time": "23:33", "text": "So say there's an actual war with, you know, soldiers fighting each other." }, { "end_time": "23:39", "start_time": "23:37", "text": "What's that gonna look like?" }, { "end_time": "23:42", "start_time": "23:39", "text": "And also could you elaborate a little bit about the navy, sir?" }, { "end_time": "23:48", "start_time": "23:43", "text": "You know, even though I'm from the army, I'd say that the navy is the most important component." }, { "end_time": "23:57", "start_time": "23:49", "text": "You know, Britain is a very small country, it's a small island with almost no population to speak of here." }, { "end_time": "24:06", "start_time": "23:58", "text": "Britain ruled more than half the known world because it had a strong navy and of course it had institutions etcetera but it had a very strong navy." }, { "end_time": "24:12", "start_time": "24:07", "text": "We must never forget, you know, when people talk about army, navy, and air force, never forget that 2 third of the earth's surface is water." }, { "end_time": "24:28", "start_time": "24:13", "text": "You know, so it's, it's, you know, it's right there in front of us and, we must also understand that, navy is actually a strategic force and the true power projection of any country." }, { "end_time": "24:31", "start_time": "24:29", "text": "All these trade routes that happen, they happen from the water air." }, { "end_time": "24:36", "start_time": "24:32", "text": "Any military has to be supported by a very strong economy." }, { "end_time": "24:39", "start_time": "24:37", "text": "You get the armed forces you pay for." }, { "end_time": "24:42", "start_time": "24:39", "text": "Let me be very blunt and brutal, you get the armed forces you pay for." }, { "end_time": "24:49", "start_time": "24:44", "text": "Josh, Jazba, Jalan, that's fine and of course when push comes to shove that is what works." }, { "end_time": "24:51", "start_time": "24:49", "text": "But there is so much more to war." }, { "end_time": "24:53", "start_time": "24:51", "text": "You know, you spoke about logistics." }, { "end_time": "24:55", "start_time": "24:54", "text": "Logistics are absolutely critical." }, { "end_time": "25:02", "start_time": "24:56", "text": "Without logistics, whether it's mountains or seas or even planes, without logistics, you can't fight for more than one day." }, { "end_time": "25:03", "start_time": "25:02", "text": "You can't fight at all without logistics." }, { "end_time": "25:04", "start_time": "25:03", "text": "It's not possible." }, { "end_time": "25:10", "start_time": "25:04", "text": "Now you spoke about drone warfare and also about, you know, cyber and other things." }, { "end_time": "25:17", "start_time": "25:10", "text": "So I'd like to tell you that drone warfare is, yes, of course it's coming up in a very, very big way." }, { "end_time": "25:24", "start_time": "25:17", "text": "We have seen it in the recent, war in in Azerbaijan, we have seen it in other, you know, the Saudi pipeline was hit by a drone." }, { "end_time": "25:34", "start_time": "25:24", "text": "Our own Jammu airbase was attacked by a drone, so yes, it's, you see it's more than just kinetic operations." }, { "end_time": "25:39", "start_time": "25:35", "text": "Today what is becoming very, very important is what we call hybrid warfare." }, { "end_time": "25:49", "start_time": "25:40", "text": "And hybrid warfare essentially is, you know, how people approach warfare." }, { "end_time": "25:56", "start_time": "25:49", "text": "Hybrid warfare is how people, their whole approach is that war can also be nonkinetic." }, { "end_time": "25:58", "start_time": "25:56", "text": "It can also be non contact." }, { "end_time": "26:13", "start_time": "25:59", "text": "So, you know, there are new kinds of warfare that are coming up, which are nonkinetic, non contact, and typically, the umbrella term used for them, you know, is, you know, we also speak of hybrid warfare, but now they're called influence operations." }, { "end_time": "26:22", "start_time": "26:14", "text": "And the beauty about influence operations, you know, in conventional war, the center of gravity is the opposing army because that is what you seek to do." }, { "end_time": "26:25", "start_time": "26:22", "text": "You try to defeat, the other the other army." }, { "end_time": "26:32", "start_time": "26:25", "text": "But in case of, influence operations or hybrid warfare, the center of gravity becomes the population." }, { "end_time": "26:35", "start_time": "26:33", "text": "So you try to influence the population." }, { "end_time": "26:44", "start_time": "26:35", "text": "Like, for example, Pakistan will try to influence the population of Kashmir and tell them that, you know, India is doing bad and using propaganda." }, { "end_time": "26:51", "start_time": "26:44", "text": "So this is a new kind of, you know, warfare, which actually not new." }, { "end_time": "26:56", "start_time": "26:51", "text": "It has been there for ages ages, thousands of years, but now it has become more refined with the use of technology." }, { "end_time": "27:00", "start_time": "26:56", "text": "So typically they will use the internet to radicalize the population." }, { "end_time": "27:04", "start_time": "27:00", "text": "They will they will use internet to spread misinformation and disinformation." }, { "end_time": "27:11", "start_time": "27:05", "text": "So, you'll have the Chinese give a lot of money to foreign news publications here." }, { "end_time": "27:18", "start_time": "27:11", "text": "Massive amounts of funds so that they don't write anything negative about China and, you know, this is advertisement money." }, { "end_time": "27:24", "start_time": "27:18", "text": "So big Chinese companies will I don't want to name the newspapers, but they do it in India, they do it abroad." }, { "end_time": "27:28", "start_time": "27:24", "text": "So these, you know, you will never badmouth your biggest sponsor." }, { "end_time": "27:35", "start_time": "27:28", "text": "It's it's normal common sense because whatever you might say about the media, the fact of the matter is it's also a business." }, { "end_time": "27:35", "start_time": "27:35", "text": "No?" }, { "end_time": "27:42", "start_time": "27:36", "text": "And, somebody who's giving you 100 of 1,000,000 of dollars a year, you don't want to jeopardize that kind of money by saying that no." }, { "end_time": "27:44", "start_time": "27:42", "text": "I'm going to tell the truth against China." }, { "end_time": "27:45", "start_time": "27:44", "text": "That that's not likely to happen." }, { "end_time": "27:46", "start_time": "27:45", "text": "So this is what they do." }, { "end_time": "27:49", "start_time": "27:46", "text": "They try to influence and this is how warfare is shaping up." }, { "end_time": "27:58", "start_time": "27:49", "text": "Of course, of course, conventional warfare capability will have to be built up because that is your final, that is your final, you know, insurance policy." }, { "end_time": "28:02", "start_time": "27:59", "text": "But, that war may happen, may not happen." }, { "end_time": "28:04", "start_time": "28:02", "text": "We are buying rafels and we have rafels." }, { "end_time": "28:08", "start_time": "28:05", "text": "We may or may not use rafels." }, { "end_time": "28:10", "start_time": "28:08", "text": "We may never use our nuclear weapons." }, { "end_time": "28:17", "start_time": "28:11", "text": "They're an insurance policy, but hybrid warfare is going on even as you and I speak and record this interview." }, { "end_time": "28:23", "start_time": "28:17", "text": "Hybrid warfare goes on 24 into 7 into 365, and this is a reality that we must face." }, { "end_time": "28:25", "start_time": "28:24", "text": "Yes, sir." }, { "end_time": "28:32", "start_time": "28:26", "text": "While I have so many other questions, I think I'll just ask you one final question for this particular podcast." }, { "end_time": "28:36", "start_time": "28:32", "text": "So as civilians, what should we be aware of?" }, { "end_time": "28:42", "start_time": "28:36", "text": "And as civilians, what are the measures we can take so that we're not part of this warfare that's already going on?" }, { "end_time": "29:03", "start_time": "28:44", "text": "So I think, in this entire geopolitical scenario, you know, they've, the biggest, I think, blunder that many people do and I would not put it in terms of civilians or fogies, but generally what people seem to do is, they become swayed by propaganda of the enemy." }, { "end_time": "29:08", "start_time": "29:04", "text": "Now what I would encourage people to do is read about this stuff and find out the truth yourself here." }, { "end_time": "29:11", "start_time": "29:09", "text": "You know, don't depend on only one platform." }, { "end_time": "29:15", "start_time": "29:11", "text": "So the way to understand propaganda is that it looks like the truth here." }, { "end_time": "29:17", "start_time": "29:16", "text": "It's camouflaged very well." }, { "end_time": "29:21", "start_time": "29:17", "text": "The way to do propaganda, the way Chinese do it is they'll tell you 7 truths." }, { "end_time": "29:26", "start_time": "29:23", "text": "They'll tell you one half truth, and they'll tell you 2 lies." }, { "end_time": "29:29", "start_time": "29:26", "text": "So that is how you gently slip it in so that you don't suspect anything." }, { "end_time": "29:31", "start_time": "29:29", "text": "So figure out what Pakistan is doing." }, { "end_time": "29:35", "start_time": "29:31", "text": "Figure out and you can only figure out when you start reading about these countries." }, { "end_time": "29:47", "start_time": "29:36", "text": "Once you start, like I'm an obsessive Pakistan watcher, I may not know about the politics of India, but we can have a podcast one day about the political parties in Pakistan and I promise you a 1 hour lecture non stop." }, { "end_time": "29:48", "start_time": "29:47", "text": "Because that is what I do all day." }, { "end_time": "29:49", "start_time": "29:48", "text": "I read about Pakistan." }, { "end_time": "29:51", "start_time": "29:50", "text": "I'm an obsessive Pakistan watcher." }, { "end_time": "29:52", "start_time": "29:51", "text": "I know." }, { "end_time": "29:55", "start_time": "29:52", "text": "I know what songs they sing in their marriages." }, { "end_time": "29:57", "start_time": "29:56", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "30:00", "start_time": "29:57", "text": "I know which parties have how many seats in the national assembly." }, { "end_time": "30:03", "start_time": "30:00", "text": "I know all of that because that is my profession." }, { "end_time": "30:04", "start_time": "30:03", "text": "It's my profession to know." }, { "end_time": "30:06", "start_time": "30:04", "text": "In the army, they say kabar dushman ki." }, { "end_time": "30:11", "start_time": "30:07", "text": "This is the first information that a commander must have, the information of the enemy." }, { "end_time": "30:15", "start_time": "30:11", "text": "And that is what I would request all the people watching this postcard." }, { "end_time": "30:16", "start_time": "30:15", "text": "Read about Pakistan." }, { "end_time": "30:17", "start_time": "30:16", "text": "Read about China." }, { "end_time": "30:19", "start_time": "30:17", "text": "Learn to differentiate between the truth and propaganda." }, { "end_time": "30:23", "start_time": "30:22", "text": "Major Gaurav Arya." }, { "end_time": "30:25", "start_time": "30:23", "text": "So thank you for being on the show." }, { "end_time": "30:27", "start_time": "30:25", "text": "Hoping to do many more podcasts with you." }, { "end_time": "30:32", "start_time": "30:27", "text": "I feel like one episode doesn't do justice to everything you've learned over the years and everything you're learning even now." }, { "end_time": "30:33", "start_time": "30:32", "text": "So thank you, sir." }, { "end_time": "30:36", "start_time": "30:34", "text": "Looking forward to learning from you in the future as well." }, { "end_time": "30:37", "start_time": "30:36", "text": "Thank you very much." }, { "end_time": "30:37", "start_time": "30:37", "text": "Thank you very much." }, { "end_time": "30:38", "start_time": "30:37", "text": "Grateful." }, { "end_time": "30:39", "start_time": "30:38", "text": "Thank you, sir." }, { "end_time": "30:42", "start_time": "30:40", "text": "So that was the episode of major God of Aria." }, { "end_time": "30:48", "start_time": "30:42", "text": "Geopolitics is something that is best taught to you by soldiers according to me." }, { "end_time": "30:52", "start_time": "30:49", "text": "They're the people who know that subject inside out." }, { "end_time": "30:56", "start_time": "30:52", "text": "They're the people whose lives are at stake because of that subject." }, { "end_time": "31:01", "start_time": "30:57", "text": "Major Gaurav Arya brings a certain kind of flare with his approach to this subject." }, { "end_time": "31:05", "start_time": "31:01", "text": "And I'm sure he's going to be back on the Renveesh show." }, { "end_time": "31:10", "start_time": "31:05", "text": "For the viewers who weren't familiar with major Gauravaria till the point that we released this episode." }, { "end_time": "31:14", "start_time": "31:11", "text": "When he's back on the show, I suggest you be active on Twitter." }, { "end_time": "31:21", "start_time": "31:14", "text": "Send in your geopolitics based questions and we'll ensure that we ask him the best possible questions from you guys." }, { "end_time": "31:26", "start_time": "31:22", "text": "Remember, you guys are the reason TRS has grown the way it's grown." }, { "end_time": "31:27", "start_time": "31:26", "text": "Keep supporting us." }, { "end_time": "31:29", "start_time": "31:27", "text": "Follow us on Spotify." }, { "end_time": "31:34", "start_time": "31:29", "text": "Every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world." }, { "end_time": "31:38", "start_time": "31:34", "text": "Lots more heavy and enriching conversation coming your way." } ] }

[ { "content": "**Task Description:** \nYou are provided with a YouTube video transcript in JSON format, where each entry is synchronized with its respective timestamp. This transcript contains the spoken text along with its start and end times. Your objective is to generate high-quality, chapter-wise segments that accurately represent key points or transitions within the video.\n\n**Transcript JSON Format:** \nThe transcript is formatted as a list of dictionaries, where each dictionary represents a spoken sentence, including its text and corresponding start and end times.\n\n**Example Transcript:** \n```json\n[\n {\n \"text\": \"The narrative in the public eye is that you left working with the Modi government because your opinions weren't heard.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:07\"\n },\n {\n \"text\": \"I want to know your side of the story.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:08\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:10\"\n },\n ...\n]\n```\n\n**Your Task:** \nUsing the given transcript, generate a JSON output that breaks down the video into meaningful chapters. Each chapter should encapsulate a key segment of the video and be accompanied by a concise, informative title that reflects the essence of that segment.\n\n**Chapter JSON Format:** \nThe output should follow this structure:\n```json\n{\n \"chapters\": [\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"title\": \"Introduction and Opening Remarks\"\n },\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:07\",\n \"title\": \"Discussing the Exit from Modi Government\"\n },\n ...\n ]\n}\n```\n\n**Requirements:** \n1. **Identify Key Segments:** Extract significant portions of the transcript that represent shifts in topic, important discussions, or transitions in conversation.\n2. **Craft Informative Titles:** Each chapter title should be clear, engaging, and directly related to the content covered in that segment.\n3. **Preserve Time Stamps:** Ensure that each chapter's `start_time` corresponds to the first instance of a key topic or segment in the transcript.\n4. **Conciseness is Key:** While titles should be descriptive, avoid making them overly lengthy. Aim for a balance between informativeness and brevity.", "role": "system" }, { "content": "{'transcripts': array([{'end_time': '0:06', 'start_time': '0:00', 'text': 'Absolutely honored to bring everyone this episode of the Ranveer Show with Major Gaurav Arya.'},\n {'end_time': '0:13', 'start_time': '0:06', 'text': 'Geopolitics, the politics of the world, politics on an international stage, country versus country dynamics.'},\n {'end_time': '0:18', 'start_time': '0:13', 'text': 'This has become one of the themes of the Ranveer show lately.'},\n {'end_time': '0:22', 'start_time': '0:18', 'text': 'Major Gauravarya has been one of the most requested guests on the show.'},\n {'end_time': '0:26', 'start_time': '0:22', 'text': 'Absolutely honored to bring this veteran of the Indian army on TRS.'},\n {'end_time': '0:29', 'start_time': '0:27', 'text': 'Make sure you follow TRS on Spotify.'},\n {'end_time': '0:37', 'start_time': '0:29', 'text': \"We're a Spotify exclusive now, which means that every episode is available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:42', 'start_time': '0:37', 'text': 'Enjoy this heavy, enriching episode with Major Gaurav Arya.'},\n {'end_time': '1:00', 'start_time': '0:58', 'text': 'Mister Gaurav Arya, sir.'},\n {'end_time': '1:01', 'start_time': '1:00', 'text': 'Thank you for being on the Ranveer Show.'},\n {'end_time': '1:03', 'start_time': '1:01', 'text': \"You're one of the most requested episodes.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:05', 'start_time': '1:03', 'text': \"It's an honor having you on the show, sir.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:06', 'start_time': '1:05', 'text': 'Thank you very much.'},\n {'end_time': '1:07', 'start_time': '1:06', 'text': 'Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '1:11', 'start_time': '1:08', 'text': \"Let's dive straight into it, sir.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:23', 'start_time': '1:11', 'text': \"We're talking a lot about geopolitics nowadays on the Indian Internet, and I think at least from what I can tell on your Twitter, that's one of the goals to educate the arm junta about geopolitics.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:28', 'start_time': '1:24', 'text': \"So I'd love to hear about geopolitics from you, sir.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:32', 'start_time': '1:28', 'text': \"Like, for someone who doesn't know anything about geopolitics, where would you begin that explanation?\"},\n {'end_time': '1:48', 'start_time': '1:34', 'text': 'I I would begin by, you know, telling people that we have had a history of invasions in India, and we have a history of fighting back and the way our immediate geopolitical surroundings, geostrategic surroundings are changing.'},\n {'end_time': '2:00', 'start_time': '1:49', 'text': \"I think it's time for India to be more aggressive, take the front foot and actually start not reacting, but preempting things in our immediate neighborhood.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:01', 'start_time': '2:00', 'text': 'You know, Afghanistan is burning.'},\n {'end_time': '2:03', 'start_time': '2:02', 'text': 'What are we doing in Afghanistan?'},\n {'end_time': '2:06', 'start_time': '2:04', 'text': 'Pakistan is getting unsettled very fast.'},\n {'end_time': '2:08', 'start_time': '2:07', 'text': 'China is taking interest.'},\n {'end_time': '2:09', 'start_time': '2:08', 'text': 'Iran is taking interest.'},\n {'end_time': '2:10', 'start_time': '2:09', 'text': 'Turkey is involved.'},\n {'end_time': '2:13', 'start_time': '2:10', 'text': 'The United States of America has repositioned itself.'},\n {'end_time': '2:17', 'start_time': '2:13', 'text': 'What is going on and, you know, how will it in the short term and long term impact India?'},\n {'end_time': '2:24', 'start_time': '2:18', 'text': 'Is, you know, in a nutshell is what I would like to sort of, talk about and that is my focus generally nowadays.'},\n {'end_time': '2:29', 'start_time': '2:26', 'text': 'What is the scenario for the near future, sir?'},\n {'end_time': '2:36', 'start_time': '2:29', 'text': 'Like with the COVID pandemic happening all over the world, what are we looking at say in the next 10 to 20 years, like according to you?'},\n {'end_time': '2:58', 'start_time': '2:37', 'text': \"I think, I I have I have very strong reasons to believe that, you know, this entire COVID thing is, you know, it's a bioweapon, which is what even the US president, Joe Biden, he did not say it in so many words, but he did say that this needs to be investigated and the investigation results will be out shortly.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:02', 'start_time': '2:59', 'text': 'What actually you are specifically about COVID.'},\n {'end_time': '3:07', 'start_time': '3:02', 'text': 'So let me tell you that, you know what worries me is that, this virus is geographically sensitive.'},\n {'end_time': '3:15', 'start_time': '3:08', 'text': \"It's it's like almost and I don't want to make light of it because millions of people have died, but it's like it's got a GPS attached to it.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:25', 'start_time': '3:15', 'text': 'So, in in in Indian Punjab, let us say we talk about Atari, which is our side of the border in Indian Punjab, there is a problem.'},\n {'end_time': '3:30', 'start_time': '3:25', 'text': 'But in Wagga, which is 200 meters ahead of Atari, 300 meters ahead.'},\n {'end_time': '3:33', 'start_time': '3:31', 'text': \"Similar problems don't exist while there is COVID in Pakistan.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:35', 'start_time': '3:33', 'text': 'There is no doubting it.'},\n {'end_time': '3:39', 'start_time': '3:35', 'text': 'So in West Bengal, there is a certain strain of COVID, and this COVID is not to be found in Bangladesh.'},\n {'end_time': '3:52', 'start_time': '3:40', 'text': \"If you look at Uttar Pradesh, you have a strain of COVID, which is in Gorakhpur, but few kilometers ahead is Nepal, and you don't have the same strain of COVID in Nepal.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:53', 'start_time': '3:52', 'text': 'I do not know.'},\n {'end_time': '3:56', 'start_time': '3:53', 'text': \"I'm I'm not a virologist.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:01', 'start_time': '3:56', 'text': \"I'm not a trained scientist, but, you know, these things set me thinking.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:09', 'start_time': '4:01', 'text': \"So 20, 30 years the line, I don't know what is going to happen, but down the line, I think we are going to have more mutations and this is going to be used further.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:10', 'start_time': '4:09', 'text': 'Not just COVID.'},\n {'end_time': '4:22', 'start_time': '4:10', 'text': \"I'm saying not just coronavirus, any other virus because, it it leaves very little telltale signs, there is no destruction of property, it is targeted, and it is stable.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:24', 'start_time': '4:22', 'text': 'This is the perfect weapon.'},\n {'end_time': '4:24', 'start_time': '4:24', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '4:28', 'start_time': '4:25', 'text': \"So I think China's and other world powers are going to work more and more on this.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:29', 'start_time': '4:29', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '4:38', 'start_time': '4:29', 'text': 'We had the historian and astrophysicist Abhijit Chawla on the show, and I had a detailed discussion with him about the same topic, and he echoed the same thoughts.'},\n {'end_time': '4:41', 'start_time': '4:39', 'text': 'You know, he had his own, like, version of it.'},\n {'end_time': '4:44', 'start_time': '4:41', 'text': \"He's a scientist, so he kind of broke it down even from that perspective.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:51', 'start_time': '4:44', 'text': \"And I think you mentioned that you're not a biologist or virologist, but he spoke a little bit from that perspective, and he agrees completely.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:56', 'start_time': '4:51', 'text': \"And I think that's the narrative that's kind of, making it to mainstream media nowadays.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:58', 'start_time': '4:56', 'text': \"People are realizing what's happening in the world.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:04', 'start_time': '4:58', 'text': \"So, but, you know, since you mentioned this web, this word called weapon, it's a bioweapon.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:10', 'start_time': '5:04', 'text': 'I remember hearing the word bioweapon for the first time when I used to watch reports of the Iraq war when I was a kid.'},\n {'end_time': '5:15', 'start_time': '5:10', 'text': \"Like, you know, when when, the US had invaded, Saddam Hussein's Iraq.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:20', 'start_time': '5:15', 'text': 'And bioweapons were just spoken of as this possible concept that time.'},\n {'end_time': '5:22', 'start_time': '5:20', 'text': \"But I think we're living through it, sir.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:34', 'start_time': '5:23', 'text': \"If you could elaborate a little bit more on the concept of bio weapons, you know, just just from whatever context you wish to reveal to the public, we'd really appreciate that.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:35', 'start_time': '5:34', 'text': \"So, like, what's out there?\"},\n {'end_time': '5:37', 'start_time': '5:35', 'text': 'How harmful can it be?'},\n {'end_time': '5:40', 'start_time': '5:38', 'text': \"So it's it's called gain of function.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:45', 'start_time': '5:41', 'text': 'Gain of function is, think of it as a virus on steroids.'},\n {'end_time': '5:53', 'start_time': '5:46', 'text': 'What you do is, you take a virus, you isolate it, and then using technology, you make it more dangerous.'},\n {'end_time': '6:05', 'start_time': '5:55', 'text': 'So the symptoms on the human being who is infected with this virus are more severe and the virus mutates frequently.'},\n {'end_time': '6:14', 'start_time': '6:06', 'text': 'So remember the first wave, the first wave of coronavirus everybody was scared but there was no requirement of oxygen as such.'},\n {'end_time': '6:16', 'start_time': '6:14', 'text': 'It it was it was normal.'},\n {'end_time': '6:25', 'start_time': '6:16', 'text': 'In the 2nd wave, suddenly this whole oxygen thing started coming up that, you know, the country is, really short of oxygen and people are dying because there is no oxygen, etcetera.'},\n {'end_time': '6:27', 'start_time': '6:25', 'text': \"So we've all gone through that.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:30', 'start_time': '6:28', 'text': 'What is the mutation going to take in the 3rd wave?'},\n {'end_time': '6:31', 'start_time': '6:30', 'text': 'So this mutates frequently.'},\n {'end_time': '6:33', 'start_time': '6:33', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '6:46', 'start_time': '6:34', 'text': \"It is isolated and this gain of function is there's one doctor called doctor Andrew Fauci in the United States of America who actually funded the gain of research, a gain of function research in these Wuhan labs in China.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:49', 'start_time': '6:46', 'text': 'And this is how you see bio weapons bio weapons is not a new thing.'},\n {'end_time': '6:50', 'start_time': '6:49', 'text': \"It's it's very old.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:52', 'start_time': '6:50', 'text': \"It's almost a century old.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:56', 'start_time': '6:52', 'text': 'So in the army, we call it the NDC, nuclear, biological, and chemical.'},\n {'end_time': '6:59', 'start_time': '6:57', 'text': 'These are 3 kinds of weapons of mass destruction.'},\n {'end_time': '7:03', 'start_time': '7:00', 'text': \"Nuclear we're aware of, chemical weapons are also there, and biological weapons.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:21', 'start_time': '7:03', 'text': \"So in biological weapons basically viruses and bacteria are used, gain of function is applied, they're made more dangerous, and then through water, through the air, through various kind of, you know, contagion or various kind of, you know, you know, you touch and it spreads, etcetera.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:26', 'start_time': '7:21', 'text': 'That is how these, viruses and these, you know, biological weapons are spread all over.'},\n {'end_time': '7:27', 'start_time': '7:26', 'text': 'Economies are shattered.'},\n {'end_time': '7:29', 'start_time': '7:28', 'text': 'People die.'},\n {'end_time': '7:32', 'start_time': '7:29', 'text': 'And this is another way of making a country weak.'},\n {'end_time': '7:35', 'start_time': '7:32', 'text': \"Now except for China, everybody's economy has taken a hit.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:39', 'start_time': '7:35', 'text': \"China's economy has grown in the coronavirus times.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:43', 'start_time': '7:39', 'text': \"So, yes, this is a bioweapon and this in a nutshell is what I'd like to say.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:50', 'start_time': '7:45', 'text': 'So is the purpose of economic growth, you know, only to fuel war?'},\n {'end_time': '7:54', 'start_time': '7:50', 'text': 'Like, what I mean, what is going to happen after this?'},\n {'end_time': '8:00', 'start_time': '7:54', 'text': 'Say we actually battle the whole pandemic and the world kind of moves out of this pandemic situation.'},\n {'end_time': '8:04', 'start_time': '8:00', 'text': 'What next once China has those economic advantages according to you?'},\n {'end_time': '8:13', 'start_time': '8:05', 'text': \"See, you know, we seem to think of war as bad and it's natural for human beings to think of war as bad.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:18', 'start_time': '8:13', 'text': 'It is undesirable and you could look at it from the prism of good and bad.'},\n {'end_time': '8:21', 'start_time': '8:19', 'text': 'But the point is that war is inevitable.'},\n {'end_time': '8:22', 'start_time': '8:21', 'text': 'War always happens.'},\n {'end_time': '8:31', 'start_time': '8:23', 'text': \"In in 5000 years of recorded human history, I'm not saying human history, I'm saying recorded human history, we've hardly had 200 years of peace.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:33', 'start_time': '8:32', 'text': 'Continuous peace.'},\n {'end_time': '8:35', 'start_time': '8:33', 'text': \"It is in man's nature to fight.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:37', 'start_time': '8:35', 'text': \"It is in man's nature to wage war.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:39', 'start_time': '8:37', 'text': \"It is in man's nature to kill.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:40', 'start_time': '8:40', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '8:42', 'start_time': '8:40', 'text': 'We are at the top of the food chain.'},\n {'end_time': '8:44', 'start_time': '8:42', 'text': 'We kill animals for food.'},\n {'end_time': '8:46', 'start_time': '8:45', 'text': 'We rule the world.'},\n {'end_time': '8:47', 'start_time': '8:46', 'text': 'How did we get there?'},\n {'end_time': '8:49', 'start_time': '8:47', 'text': \"We didn't get there by being nice.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:52', 'start_time': '8:50', 'text': 'Human beings rule the roost today.'},\n {'end_time': '8:55', 'start_time': '8:52', 'text': \"They're at the top of the food chain because we killed everybody else.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:59', 'start_time': '8:55', 'text': \"You see, so, anybody who says that war is bad, I think it's just being sanctimonious.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:01', 'start_time': '9:00', 'text': 'This is natural.'},\n {'end_time': '9:02', 'start_time': '9:01', 'text': 'We are not we are not saying good and bad.'},\n {'end_time': '9:04', 'start_time': '9:02', 'text': 'So we are not going there and saying that.'},\n {'end_time': '9:05', 'start_time': '9:04', 'text': \"Of course, it's avoidable.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:06', 'start_time': '9:05', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '9:08', 'start_time': '9:06', 'text': 'People die and nobody wants that to happen.'},\n {'end_time': '9:12', 'start_time': '9:08', 'text': 'But the fact of the matter is this is this is, human history here.'},\n {'end_time': '9:15', 'start_time': '9:12', 'text': 'We have been killing each other bare hands with bare hands.'},\n {'end_time': '9:23', 'start_time': '9:15', 'text': \"We've been killing each other with stones and nothing has developed faster in this world than weaponization of normal objects.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:30', 'start_time': '9:24', 'text': 'People used to use, you know, flint and rock and stone to light fires.'},\n {'end_time': '9:38', 'start_time': '9:31', 'text': 'Then somebody took a piece of flint and tied it to a to a piece of wood and it became a spear and they started using it for hunting.'},\n {'end_time': '9:45', 'start_time': '9:38', 'text': 'So weaponization of solar energy, weaponization of space, Weaponization of everything.'},\n {'end_time': '9:49', 'start_time': '9:46', 'text': 'You see, today people have weaponized social media.'},\n {'end_time': '9:50', 'start_time': '9:49', 'text': \"They've weaponized Twitter.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:55', 'start_time': '9:51', 'text': 'These things keep on happening time and again and this is our true nature.'},\n {'end_time': '9:57', 'start_time': '9:55', 'text': 'We must understand this is our true nature.'},\n {'end_time': '10:00', 'start_time': '9:57', 'text': \"I'm not again giving a certificate saying this is good or bad.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:00', 'start_time': '10:00', 'text': 'This is our true nature.'},\n {'end_time': '10:03', 'start_time': '10:00', 'text': \"And one thing I'm saying that this will continue.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:14', 'start_time': '10:03', 'text': 'War will keep on getting more sophisticated and there will always be people with fact checkbooks who are willing to buy the latest and more sophisticated and efficient weapons that kill you.'},\n {'end_time': '10:20', 'start_time': '10:15', 'text': 'So while we may say that, you know, war is bad and of course it is bad, but war is not going anywhere.'},\n {'end_time': '10:22', 'start_time': '10:21', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '10:30', 'start_time': '10:23', 'text': 'So considering what the Chinese Communist Party is doing, do you think the purpose of war for them is just geographical expansion?'},\n {'end_time': '10:32', 'start_time': '10:30', 'text': 'Like, are they trying to expand the country?'},\n {'end_time': '10:37', 'start_time': '10:32', 'text': 'I mean, I know they kind of already are with the whole, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh angle.'},\n {'end_time': '10:42', 'start_time': '10:38', 'text': 'I mean, so for 1, could you expand on that Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh angle?'},\n {'end_time': '10:49', 'start_time': '10:42', 'text': 'And 2, could you, expand on what you believe is the reason China is even kind of moving towards the possibility of warfare?'},\n {'end_time': '10:53', 'start_time': '10:50', 'text': 'See, this is called war by other means.'},\n {'end_time': '10:57', 'start_time': '10:54', 'text': 'So there is a very famous saying that all war is deceit.'},\n {'end_time': '11:04', 'start_time': '10:58', 'text': 'Even in our shastras and, they mentioned deception as a way of war.'},\n {'end_time': '11:10', 'start_time': '11:06', 'text': \"Kotilya's Arthashastra mentions, 4 ways of getting a thing done.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:15', 'start_time': '11:12', 'text': 'Four ways by which an objective can be achieved.'},\n {'end_time': '11:16', 'start_time': '11:15', 'text': \"A nation's objective can be achieved.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:18', 'start_time': '11:17', 'text': 'One is sam.'},\n {'end_time': '11:21', 'start_time': '11:19', 'text': 'Sam is by way of convincing a person.'},\n {'end_time': '11:22', 'start_time': '11:21', 'text': 'This is what diplomats do.'},\n {'end_time': '11:24', 'start_time': '11:23', 'text': 'Damn.'},\n {'end_time': '11:26', 'start_time': '11:24', 'text': 'It is by way of economic benefit.'},\n {'end_time': '11:31', 'start_time': '11:27', 'text': 'Like, you know, for example, India sends vaccines free of cost to various countries.'},\n {'end_time': '11:34', 'start_time': '11:32', 'text': 'India helps in the reconstruction of Afghanistan.'},\n {'end_time': '11:35', 'start_time': '11:34', 'text': 'This is dham.'},\n {'end_time': '11:37', 'start_time': '11:36', 'text': 'There is dand.'},\n {'end_time': '11:43', 'start_time': '11:37', 'text': 'Dand is by way of military force, which is what the Indian armed forces do, which they do to China and Pakistan.'},\n {'end_time': '11:44', 'start_time': '11:43', 'text': \"And then there's bhed.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:46', 'start_time': '11:45', 'text': 'Bhed is by way of deception.'},\n {'end_time': '11:49', 'start_time': '11:47', 'text': 'That is what the intelligence agencies do.'},\n {'end_time': '11:57', 'start_time': '11:49', 'text': 'So this is a time honored, you know, a function of the government, how to achieve its aims outside and within its own territory.'},\n {'end_time': '11:59', 'start_time': '11:57', 'text': 'Number 2, you asked about China.'},\n {'end_time': '12:02', 'start_time': '11:59', 'text': 'You see, China has never put its military outside.'},\n {'end_time': '12:07', 'start_time': '12:02', 'text': 'The last big adventure it tried was in Vietnam and it got hammered in 1979 in Vietnam.'},\n {'end_time': '12:13', 'start_time': '12:08', 'text': 'China, you know, its economy really went forward.'},\n {'end_time': '12:22', 'start_time': '12:13', 'text': 'China is the 2nd largest economy in the world today after the United States of America and China uses its checkbook you mentioned Bangladesh, Pakistan, Sri Lanka.'},\n {'end_time': '12:25', 'start_time': '12:23', 'text': 'China does not have boots on the ground in either of these three countries.'},\n {'end_time': '12:39', 'start_time': '12:26', 'text': 'But what China does is it typically selects the victims of the Chinese checkbook are typically small countries, Countries which have been unstable politically.'},\n {'end_time': '12:46', 'start_time': '12:40', 'text': 'Countries which have a corrupt elite or corrupt leadership, like in the case of Pakistan or Sri Lanka.'},\n {'end_time': '12:52', 'start_time': '12:46', 'text': 'And countries which, you know, there are people vying for positions of power even violently.'},\n {'end_time': '12:58', 'start_time': '12:52', 'text': 'China typically moves into this space and China occupies this space.'},\n {'end_time': '13:03', 'start_time': '12:58', 'text': 'For example, you must have heard of the Hanuman Totapot in, in in Sri Lanka.'},\n {'end_time': '13:08', 'start_time': '13:04', 'text': 'Sri Lanka is looking for investment so that it can improve its infrastructure.'},\n {'end_time': '13:12', 'start_time': '13:09', 'text': \"Now China says, okay, we'll build this port.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:15', 'start_time': '13:13', 'text': 'China builds the Hanman Tota port in Sri Lanka.'},\n {'end_time': '13:19', 'start_time': '13:15', 'text': 'It builds the Gawadir port in in Balochistan and Pakistan.'},\n {'end_time': '13:21', 'start_time': '13:20', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '13:34', 'start_time': '13:21', 'text': 'Knowing fully well that Sri Lanka can never pay back the money invested, knowing fully back, fully well from day 1 that the return on investment on these ports is sunk on the day the project started, the Chinese knew.'},\n {'end_time': '13:42', 'start_time': '13:35', 'text': 'So what you do is you bribe a couple of senior people, you bribe them, they sign the contract on impossible terms.'},\n {'end_time': '13:52', 'start_time': '13:44', 'text': 'Whether in Hanmatota port or in Gowadar, today Hanmatota port for all practical purposes is Chinese territory.'},\n {'end_time': '13:56', 'start_time': '13:53', 'text': 'It is on a 99 year lease to China.'},\n {'end_time': '13:59', 'start_time': '13:57', 'text': 'This is exactly the same thing that has been done to Pakistan.'},\n {'end_time': '14:07', 'start_time': '13:59', 'text': \"I don't know if you're aware but, the Islamabad airport, the Karachi airport, the Lahore airport, the Multan airport has been mortgaged.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:10', 'start_time': '14:08', 'text': 'There is a park in f9 in Islamabad.'},\n {'end_time': '14:12', 'start_time': '14:11', 'text': 'That entire park has been mortgaged.'},\n {'end_time': '14:21', 'start_time': '14:13', 'text': 'Pakistan International Airlines, the entire airline along with this aircraft, assets, helicopters, everything has been mortgaged.'},\n {'end_time': '14:29', 'start_time': '14:22', 'text': 'The Lahore Faisalabad motorway, the Islamabad Lahore motorway, 4, 5 motorways have been mortgaged the entire country.'},\n {'end_time': '14:35', 'start_time': '14:30', 'text': \"Like you say in Hindi, This is what I'm trying to say.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:37', 'start_time': '14:35', 'text': 'So basically, this is economic warfare.'},\n {'end_time': '14:39', 'start_time': '14:38', 'text': 'This is dame.'},\n {'end_time': '14:42', 'start_time': '14:39', 'text': 'What China does is dame and dame.'},\n {'end_time': '14:46', 'start_time': '14:43', 'text': 'So even their diplomats are called wolf warriors.'},\n {'end_time': '14:49', 'start_time': '14:47', 'text': 'There is an aggressive kind of diplomacy.'},\n {'end_time': '14:52', 'start_time': '14:49', 'text': 'Africa, you have a lot of unstable regimes in Africa.'},\n {'end_time': '14:53', 'start_time': '14:52', 'text': 'What does China do?'},\n {'end_time': '14:54', 'start_time': '14:53', 'text': 'It moves in.'},\n {'end_time': '14:59', 'start_time': '14:55', 'text': 'It talks to the corrupt elite and and you know, you know what the key is?'},\n {'end_time': '15:02', 'start_time': '15:00', 'text': 'I I sort of tried and figured it out.'},\n {'end_time': '15:04', 'start_time': '15:03', 'text': \"Let's say Pakistan takes a loan.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:06', 'start_time': '15:04', 'text': 'Who sanctions the loan?'},\n {'end_time': '15:12', 'start_time': '15:07', 'text': 'Pakistan needs $5,000,000,000 The sanctioning authority is the prime minister and the parliament.'},\n {'end_time': '15:16', 'start_time': '15:14', 'text': 'The terms are hidden from the common people.'},\n {'end_time': '15:24', 'start_time': '15:17', 'text': \"The terms are hidden from the rest of the world because that is what the deal says, that you cannot reveal China Pakistan Economic Corridor's terms and conditions.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:25', 'start_time': '15:24', 'text': 'These are top secret, these are state secrets.'},\n {'end_time': '15:28', 'start_time': '15:26', 'text': 'So who decides that Pakistan has to take a loan?'},\n {'end_time': '15:33', 'start_time': '15:28', 'text': 'It is one individual who pays back, the entire nation pays back.'},\n {'end_time': '15:34', 'start_time': '15:33', 'text': 'How does it pay back?'},\n {'end_time': '15:38', 'start_time': '15:35', 'text': 'Rising fuel prices, rising gas prices, rising taxes.'},\n {'end_time': '15:50', 'start_time': '15:38', 'text': \"Today, because of this quote unquote loan diplomacy, the State Bank of Pakistan, it's almost owned by the IMF, which is which is a western body, which is not a Chinese body.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:54', 'start_time': '15:51', 'text': 'But, you know, there are various parts of Pakistan that are owned by various other countries.'},\n {'end_time': '15:55', 'start_time': '15:54', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '16:04', 'start_time': '15:55', 'text': 'China owns their airports, China owns their motorways, most of the real estate in Pakistan, the strategic real estate in Pakistan, is actually owned by China as we speak today.'},\n {'end_time': '16:06', 'start_time': '16:04', 'text': 'So this is war by other means.'},\n {'end_time': '16:08', 'start_time': '16:06', 'text': 'This is war by the checkbook.'},\n {'end_time': '16:10', 'start_time': '16:09', 'text': 'This is war by deception.'},\n {'end_time': '16:18', 'start_time': '16:10', 'text': 'This is war by corrupting the elite leadership of a country, small country, typically politically unsettled, taking advantage.'},\n {'end_time': '16:19', 'start_time': '16:18', 'text': 'China will never do that with India.'},\n {'end_time': '16:22', 'start_time': '16:20', 'text': 'China can never do that with India.'},\n {'end_time': '16:22', 'start_time': '16:22', 'text': \"It's impossible.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:26', 'start_time': '16:23', 'text': 'Because our systems are transparent for most of the time.'},\n {'end_time': '16:32', 'start_time': '16:27', 'text': 'We have a strong political elite and India is a 130 crore, people country.'},\n {'end_time': '16:35', 'start_time': '16:33', 'text': 'But smaller countries, Congo, yes.'},\n {'end_time': '16:37', 'start_time': '16:36', 'text': 'Tanzania, absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '16:39', 'start_time': '16:37', 'text': \"Nigeria, let's do it.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:41', 'start_time': '16:39', 'text': 'Pakistan, absolutely, yes.'},\n {'end_time': '16:44', 'start_time': '16:41', 'text': 'Bangladesh, maybe with a little bit of problem.'},\n {'end_time': '16:45', 'start_time': '16:44', 'text': 'Nepal, sure.'},\n {'end_time': '16:47', 'start_time': '16:46', 'text': 'Sri Lanka, absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '16:52', 'start_time': '16:47', 'text': 'So this is how they function without boots on ground, without soldiers.'},\n {'end_time': '16:54', 'start_time': '16:53', 'text': 'Just the checkbook.'},\n {'end_time': '16:55', 'start_time': '16:55', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '16:59', 'start_time': '16:56', 'text': \"We've had some army veterans on the show, sir.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:04', 'start_time': '16:59', 'text': \"And one thing I've understood is that wars are won or loss based a lot on logistics.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:09', 'start_time': '17:04', 'text': \"So basically, if your logistics is sorted out, it's a very big advantage for you in war.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:16', 'start_time': '17:09', 'text': 'Now considering the fact that they have ports in Sri Lanka, their ports in, Pakistan, they have some power that they hold in Bangladesh.'},\n {'end_time': '17:19', 'start_time': '17:16', 'text': 'I mean, the obvious target looks like India.'},\n {'end_time': '17:21', 'start_time': '17:19', 'text': 'You know, India surrounded right now.'},\n {'end_time': '17:28', 'start_time': '17:21', 'text': 'So so say that if there is a war, what is that war going to look like?'},\n {'end_time': '17:31', 'start_time': '17:28', 'text': 'And what are the possible outcomes of it?'},\n {'end_time': '17:36', 'start_time': '17:31', 'text': \"If India loses versus if China loses, what's going to happen next if there's an actual war?\"},\n {'end_time': '17:42', 'start_time': '17:38', 'text': \"I think, it's, it's, not so simple.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:50', 'start_time': '17:43', 'text': \"You spoke about all these ports and all and obviously when you spoke to the veterans they must have told you that, they're being used by by China's naval bases.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:54', 'start_time': '17:51', 'text': 'So this is weaponization of trade.'},\n {'end_time': '17:58', 'start_time': '17:55', 'text': 'We spoke about weaponization of viruses or bacteria.'},\n {'end_time': '18:02', 'start_time': '17:58', 'text': 'We spoke about weaponization of the social media, space, solar energy.'},\n {'end_time': '18:05', 'start_time': '18:03', 'text': \"Now I'll tell you something about weaponization of trade.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:09', 'start_time': '18:05', 'text': 'So these are essentially trade hubs or made to look like trade hubs.'},\n {'end_time': '18:11', 'start_time': '18:09', 'text': \"But we've had Chinese submarines docking at Gavadar.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:15', 'start_time': '18:11', 'text': \"We've had Chinese naval submarines docking at Hanwantota port.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:21', 'start_time': '18:15', 'text': \"And once the Chinese take over, it's upon the Chinese, you know, it totally depends on the Chinese who they want there and who they don't want there.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:21', 'start_time': '18:21', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '18:25', 'start_time': '18:22', 'text': 'Hanwantota port has not seen any traffic.'},\n {'end_time': '18:30', 'start_time': '18:25', 'text': 'It was projected by Chinese consultants that this is going to be one of the top ports in the world.'},\n {'end_time': '18:32', 'start_time': '18:31', 'text': 'But did it work out?'},\n {'end_time': '18:32', 'start_time': '18:32', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '18:34', 'start_time': '18:32', 'text': 'It did not work out.'},\n {'end_time': '18:34', 'start_time': '18:34', 'text': 'Gavadir.'},\n {'end_time': '18:36', 'start_time': '18:35', 'text': 'Gavadir is a deep water port.'},\n {'end_time': '18:37', 'start_time': '18:37', 'text': 'For what?'},\n {'end_time': '18:39', 'start_time': '18:38', 'text': \"You're going to have Chinese aircraft carriers there.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:41', 'start_time': '18:39', 'text': \"You're going to have Chinese submarines there.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:43', 'start_time': '18:41', 'text': 'So, yes, India is surrounded.'},\n {'end_time': '18:49', 'start_time': '18:43', 'text': \"Now, I don't think that, it's a simple function of who loses and who wins in the next war if it happens.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:57', 'start_time': '18:51', 'text': 'China typically follows the policy of salami slicing, which is small bits of territory taken away.'},\n {'end_time': '18:59', 'start_time': '18:58', 'text': 'China does not want a conflict.'},\n {'end_time': '19:05', 'start_time': '19:00', 'text': 'Even when China came to Galwan and China came to East Ladakh, last year, China did not want a conflict.'},\n {'end_time': '19:07', 'start_time': '19:05', 'text': 'It did not come prepared for a conflict.'},\n {'end_time': '19:10', 'start_time': '19:08', 'text': \"And I'll give you 2, 3 reasons why it did not.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:19', 'start_time': '19:11', 'text': 'You know, when Chinese came absolutely bang on the line of actual control, they were actually sleeping in tents here.'},\n {'end_time': '19:25', 'start_time': '19:20', 'text': \"So when you prepare for war, you don't sleep in tents, you sleep in bunkers, you sleep in trenches.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:31', 'start_time': '19:26', 'text': 'Because if there is artillery fire, if there is fire from top, a tent provides you with no protection.'},\n {'end_time': '19:37', 'start_time': '19:32', 'text': \"Chinese just thought that let's do a little bit of muscle flexing and we'll scare India and we'll take away a little bit of territory.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:39', 'start_time': '19:37', 'text': 'Sort of teach India a lesson.'},\n {'end_time': '19:41', 'start_time': '19:39', 'text': 'This has been the Chinese way of doing it.'},\n {'end_time': '19:44', 'start_time': '19:41', 'text': 'You know, you stand up to China, they back off.'},\n {'end_time': '19:47', 'start_time': '19:44', 'text': 'We stood up to China in Doklam, we stood up to China in East Ladakh, they backed off.'},\n {'end_time': '19:48', 'start_time': '19:48', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '19:50', 'start_time': '19:48', 'text': 'Today we have the quad.'},\n {'end_time': '19:57', 'start_time': '19:51', 'text': 'We understand that China is an emerging military superpower and China is already an economic superpower.'},\n {'end_time': '20:00', 'start_time': '19:58', 'text': 'Its economy fuels its military.'},\n {'end_time': '20:01', 'start_time': '20:01', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '20:06', 'start_time': '20:02', 'text': 'So say today, if someone says today that is China a military superpower?'},\n {'end_time': '20:07', 'start_time': '20:06', 'text': \"It's not.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:10', 'start_time': '20:08', 'text': 'Is it going to become a military superpower?'},\n {'end_time': '20:11', 'start_time': '20:10', 'text': 'Absolutely, yes.'},\n {'end_time': '20:13', 'start_time': '20:11', 'text': 'But today it is not.'},\n {'end_time': '20:15', 'start_time': '20:13', 'text': \"Today it's an economic superpower.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:21', 'start_time': '20:15', 'text': 'It is using that checkbook to buy stuff, to modernize its army.'},\n {'end_time': '20:30', 'start_time': '20:21', 'text': \"But please remember, China's, you know, juggler vein is the seas.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:32', 'start_time': '20:31', 'text': 'The trade routes on the seas.'},\n {'end_time': '20:35', 'start_time': '20:33', 'text': \"That is China's juggler vein.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:51', 'start_time': '20:35', 'text': 'If the quad, and all of us are aware of the quad, you know, Australia, Japan, America, and India, and the quad is very active in the South China Sea, if the quad tomorrow decides to squeeze and squeeze hard, the Chinese economy will collapse.'},\n {'end_time': '20:52', 'start_time': '20:51', 'text': \"Do you think that's a possibility?\"},\n {'end_time': '20:53', 'start_time': '20:52', 'text': 'Like Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '20:56', 'start_time': '20:54', 'text': 'That is that is why the Quad has been created.'},\n {'end_time': '20:59', 'start_time': '20:56', 'text': 'You see, why is China active in the Himalayas?'},\n {'end_time': '21:02', 'start_time': '20:59', 'text': \"I'd like to I'd like to tell you something more for the benefit of our viewers.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:08', 'start_time': '21:02', 'text': \"You see, what happens is that if you see all the wars, they've been fought up northeast or west here.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:10', 'start_time': '21:09', 'text': 'Alright?'},\n {'end_time': '21:16', 'start_time': '21:10', 'text': 'China wants to keep you busy in the mountains because in the mountains there is only the Indian army and the Chinese army.'},\n {'end_time': '21:27', 'start_time': '21:16', 'text': 'There is no American army or Japanese army or Australian army, But if they come down to the seas, there are a whole bunch of people there with aircraft carriers and B 52 bombers, etcetera, who are willing to take out China.'},\n {'end_time': '21:33', 'start_time': '21:27', 'text': 'And some of them are itching to go because I think China is frankly overreached and overstayed is welcome.'},\n {'end_time': '21:41', 'start_time': '21:34', 'text': 'China is the only country which has, I think, a border with 12 or 13 nations and has a border dispute with 24 nations.'},\n {'end_time': '21:42', 'start_time': '21:41', 'text': 'Can you beat that?'},\n {'end_time': '21:45', 'start_time': '21:42', 'text': 'A border dispute with 24 nations.'},\n {'end_time': '21:49', 'start_time': '21:45', 'text': 'China has border disputes with nations that are 2 nations apart.'},\n {'end_time': '21:56', 'start_time': '21:50', 'text': \"How can you have it's like saying it's like India saying that, you know, we have a border dispute with Tajikistan for heaven's sake.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:57', 'start_time': '21:56', 'text': 'How does that work?'},\n {'end_time': '21:58', 'start_time': '21:57', 'text': 'But China has border disputes.'},\n {'end_time': '22:01', 'start_time': '21:58', 'text': 'It claimed a bloody war stock, which is a port in Russia.'},\n {'end_time': '22:04', 'start_time': '22:01', 'text': 'It claimed bloody war stock last year.'},\n {'end_time': '22:10', 'start_time': '22:04', 'text': 'So this is, you see, this is typically how, the Chinese would function and the Chinese would, you know, approach things.'},\n {'end_time': '22:17', 'start_time': '22:10', 'text': 'Aggression, naked aggression, wolf warrior diplomacy, checkbook, and keep your army at bay.'},\n {'end_time': '22:27', 'start_time': '22:18', 'text': 'You know, if China actually and last thing which I want to say is that if actually China got into a military conflict, a full fledged military conflict with any country, Heaven forbid, should that happen.'},\n {'end_time': '22:33', 'start_time': '22:28', 'text': 'China will be in for a rude surprise because China has not won any war in the last 50 years.'},\n {'end_time': '22:43', 'start_time': '22:34', 'text': 'In spite of all the muscle flexing that China does, you know, China is Vietnam dashed China up very badly in 1979.'},\n {'end_time': '22:48', 'start_time': '22:44', 'text': 'China has not won any war in the last 50 years.'},\n {'end_time': '22:53', 'start_time': '22:48', 'text': 'So all this impression about China being a superpower is essentially the Chinese bank balance and Chinese checkbook.'},\n {'end_time': '22:55', 'start_time': '22:53', 'text': \"It's nothing to do with Chinese military.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:01', 'start_time': '22:56', 'text': \"So another thing I've understood about modern warfare in general okay.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:02', 'start_time': '23:01', 'text': \"So there's a couple of things.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:13', 'start_time': '23:02', 'text': \"Specifically about this conflict that we're talking, Is it true that the Navy kind of holds the power if there is actually a possibility of war?\"},\n {'end_time': '23:21', 'start_time': '23:13', 'text': 'Like, is it true that the Indian, government in the Indian, armed forces need to focus a lot more on the Navy?'},\n {'end_time': '23:23', 'start_time': '23:21', 'text': \"That's one question for you.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:28', 'start_time': '23:23', 'text': 'And the second question for you, sir, we keep reading about cyber warfare, bio warfare, as you mentioned.'},\n {'end_time': '23:30', 'start_time': '23:28', 'text': 'Now is that the future of war?'},\n {'end_time': '23:33', 'start_time': '23:30', 'text': \"There's also drone warfare that is spoken about nowadays.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:37', 'start_time': '23:33', 'text': \"So say there's an actual war with, you know, soldiers fighting each other.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:39', 'start_time': '23:37', 'text': \"What's that gonna look like?\"},\n {'end_time': '23:42', 'start_time': '23:39', 'text': 'And also could you elaborate a little bit about the navy, sir?'},\n {'end_time': '23:48', 'start_time': '23:43', 'text': \"You know, even though I'm from the army, I'd say that the navy is the most important component.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:57', 'start_time': '23:49', 'text': \"You know, Britain is a very small country, it's a small island with almost no population to speak of here.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:06', 'start_time': '23:58', 'text': 'Britain ruled more than half the known world because it had a strong navy and of course it had institutions etcetera but it had a very strong navy.'},\n {'end_time': '24:12', 'start_time': '24:07', 'text': \"We must never forget, you know, when people talk about army, navy, and air force, never forget that 2 third of the earth's surface is water.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:28', 'start_time': '24:13', 'text': \"You know, so it's, it's, you know, it's right there in front of us and, we must also understand that, navy is actually a strategic force and the true power projection of any country.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:31', 'start_time': '24:29', 'text': 'All these trade routes that happen, they happen from the water air.'},\n {'end_time': '24:36', 'start_time': '24:32', 'text': 'Any military has to be supported by a very strong economy.'},\n {'end_time': '24:39', 'start_time': '24:37', 'text': 'You get the armed forces you pay for.'},\n {'end_time': '24:42', 'start_time': '24:39', 'text': 'Let me be very blunt and brutal, you get the armed forces you pay for.'},\n {'end_time': '24:49', 'start_time': '24:44', 'text': \"Josh, Jazba, Jalan, that's fine and of course when push comes to shove that is what works.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:51', 'start_time': '24:49', 'text': 'But there is so much more to war.'},\n {'end_time': '24:53', 'start_time': '24:51', 'text': 'You know, you spoke about logistics.'},\n {'end_time': '24:55', 'start_time': '24:54', 'text': 'Logistics are absolutely critical.'},\n {'end_time': '25:02', 'start_time': '24:56', 'text': \"Without logistics, whether it's mountains or seas or even planes, without logistics, you can't fight for more than one day.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:03', 'start_time': '25:02', 'text': \"You can't fight at all without logistics.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:04', 'start_time': '25:03', 'text': \"It's not possible.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:10', 'start_time': '25:04', 'text': 'Now you spoke about drone warfare and also about, you know, cyber and other things.'},\n {'end_time': '25:17', 'start_time': '25:10', 'text': \"So I'd like to tell you that drone warfare is, yes, of course it's coming up in a very, very big way.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:24', 'start_time': '25:17', 'text': 'We have seen it in the recent, war in in Azerbaijan, we have seen it in other, you know, the Saudi pipeline was hit by a drone.'},\n {'end_time': '25:34', 'start_time': '25:24', 'text': \"Our own Jammu airbase was attacked by a drone, so yes, it's, you see it's more than just kinetic operations.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:39', 'start_time': '25:35', 'text': 'Today what is becoming very, very important is what we call hybrid warfare.'},\n {'end_time': '25:49', 'start_time': '25:40', 'text': 'And hybrid warfare essentially is, you know, how people approach warfare.'},\n {'end_time': '25:56', 'start_time': '25:49', 'text': 'Hybrid warfare is how people, their whole approach is that war can also be nonkinetic.'},\n {'end_time': '25:58', 'start_time': '25:56', 'text': 'It can also be non contact.'},\n {'end_time': '26:13', 'start_time': '25:59', 'text': \"So, you know, there are new kinds of warfare that are coming up, which are nonkinetic, non contact, and typically, the umbrella term used for them, you know, is, you know, we also speak of hybrid warfare, but now they're called influence operations.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:22', 'start_time': '26:14', 'text': 'And the beauty about influence operations, you know, in conventional war, the center of gravity is the opposing army because that is what you seek to do.'},\n {'end_time': '26:25', 'start_time': '26:22', 'text': 'You try to defeat, the other the other army.'},\n {'end_time': '26:32', 'start_time': '26:25', 'text': 'But in case of, influence operations or hybrid warfare, the center of gravity becomes the population.'},\n {'end_time': '26:35', 'start_time': '26:33', 'text': 'So you try to influence the population.'},\n {'end_time': '26:44', 'start_time': '26:35', 'text': 'Like, for example, Pakistan will try to influence the population of Kashmir and tell them that, you know, India is doing bad and using propaganda.'},\n {'end_time': '26:51', 'start_time': '26:44', 'text': 'So this is a new kind of, you know, warfare, which actually not new.'},\n {'end_time': '26:56', 'start_time': '26:51', 'text': 'It has been there for ages ages, thousands of years, but now it has become more refined with the use of technology.'},\n {'end_time': '27:00', 'start_time': '26:56', 'text': 'So typically they will use the internet to radicalize the population.'},\n {'end_time': '27:04', 'start_time': '27:00', 'text': 'They will they will use internet to spread misinformation and disinformation.'},\n {'end_time': '27:11', 'start_time': '27:05', 'text': \"So, you'll have the Chinese give a lot of money to foreign news publications here.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:18', 'start_time': '27:11', 'text': \"Massive amounts of funds so that they don't write anything negative about China and, you know, this is advertisement money.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:24', 'start_time': '27:18', 'text': \"So big Chinese companies will I don't want to name the newspapers, but they do it in India, they do it abroad.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:28', 'start_time': '27:24', 'text': 'So these, you know, you will never badmouth your biggest sponsor.'},\n {'end_time': '27:35', 'start_time': '27:28', 'text': \"It's it's normal common sense because whatever you might say about the media, the fact of the matter is it's also a business.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:35', 'start_time': '27:35', 'text': 'No?'},\n {'end_time': '27:42', 'start_time': '27:36', 'text': \"And, somebody who's giving you 100 of 1,000,000 of dollars a year, you don't want to jeopardize that kind of money by saying that no.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:44', 'start_time': '27:42', 'text': \"I'm going to tell the truth against China.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:45', 'start_time': '27:44', 'text': \"That that's not likely to happen.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:46', 'start_time': '27:45', 'text': 'So this is what they do.'},\n {'end_time': '27:49', 'start_time': '27:46', 'text': 'They try to influence and this is how warfare is shaping up.'},\n {'end_time': '27:58', 'start_time': '27:49', 'text': 'Of course, of course, conventional warfare capability will have to be built up because that is your final, that is your final, you know, insurance policy.'},\n {'end_time': '28:02', 'start_time': '27:59', 'text': 'But, that war may happen, may not happen.'},\n {'end_time': '28:04', 'start_time': '28:02', 'text': 'We are buying rafels and we have rafels.'},\n {'end_time': '28:08', 'start_time': '28:05', 'text': 'We may or may not use rafels.'},\n {'end_time': '28:10', 'start_time': '28:08', 'text': 'We may never use our nuclear weapons.'},\n {'end_time': '28:17', 'start_time': '28:11', 'text': \"They're an insurance policy, but hybrid warfare is going on even as you and I speak and record this interview.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:23', 'start_time': '28:17', 'text': 'Hybrid warfare goes on 24 into 7 into 365, and this is a reality that we must face.'},\n {'end_time': '28:25', 'start_time': '28:24', 'text': 'Yes, sir.'},\n {'end_time': '28:32', 'start_time': '28:26', 'text': \"While I have so many other questions, I think I'll just ask you one final question for this particular podcast.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:36', 'start_time': '28:32', 'text': 'So as civilians, what should we be aware of?'},\n {'end_time': '28:42', 'start_time': '28:36', 'text': \"And as civilians, what are the measures we can take so that we're not part of this warfare that's already going on?\"},\n {'end_time': '29:03', 'start_time': '28:44', 'text': \"So I think, in this entire geopolitical scenario, you know, they've, the biggest, I think, blunder that many people do and I would not put it in terms of civilians or fogies, but generally what people seem to do is, they become swayed by propaganda of the enemy.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:08', 'start_time': '29:04', 'text': 'Now what I would encourage people to do is read about this stuff and find out the truth yourself here.'},\n {'end_time': '29:11', 'start_time': '29:09', 'text': \"You know, don't depend on only one platform.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:15', 'start_time': '29:11', 'text': 'So the way to understand propaganda is that it looks like the truth here.'},\n {'end_time': '29:17', 'start_time': '29:16', 'text': \"It's camouflaged very well.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:21', 'start_time': '29:17', 'text': \"The way to do propaganda, the way Chinese do it is they'll tell you 7 truths.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:26', 'start_time': '29:23', 'text': \"They'll tell you one half truth, and they'll tell you 2 lies.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:29', 'start_time': '29:26', 'text': \"So that is how you gently slip it in so that you don't suspect anything.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:31', 'start_time': '29:29', 'text': 'So figure out what Pakistan is doing.'},\n {'end_time': '29:35', 'start_time': '29:31', 'text': 'Figure out and you can only figure out when you start reading about these countries.'},\n {'end_time': '29:47', 'start_time': '29:36', 'text': \"Once you start, like I'm an obsessive Pakistan watcher, I may not know about the politics of India, but we can have a podcast one day about the political parties in Pakistan and I promise you a 1 hour lecture non stop.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:48', 'start_time': '29:47', 'text': 'Because that is what I do all day.'},\n {'end_time': '29:49', 'start_time': '29:48', 'text': 'I read about Pakistan.'},\n {'end_time': '29:51', 'start_time': '29:50', 'text': \"I'm an obsessive Pakistan watcher.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:52', 'start_time': '29:51', 'text': 'I know.'},\n {'end_time': '29:55', 'start_time': '29:52', 'text': 'I know what songs they sing in their marriages.'},\n {'end_time': '29:57', 'start_time': '29:56', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '30:00', 'start_time': '29:57', 'text': 'I know which parties have how many seats in the national assembly.'},\n {'end_time': '30:03', 'start_time': '30:00', 'text': 'I know all of that because that is my profession.'},\n {'end_time': '30:04', 'start_time': '30:03', 'text': \"It's my profession to know.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:06', 'start_time': '30:04', 'text': 'In the army, they say kabar dushman ki.'},\n {'end_time': '30:11', 'start_time': '30:07', 'text': 'This is the first information that a commander must have, the information of the enemy.'},\n {'end_time': '30:15', 'start_time': '30:11', 'text': 'And that is what I would request all the people watching this postcard.'},\n {'end_time': '30:16', 'start_time': '30:15', 'text': 'Read about Pakistan.'},\n {'end_time': '30:17', 'start_time': '30:16', 'text': 'Read about China.'},\n {'end_time': '30:19', 'start_time': '30:17', 'text': 'Learn to differentiate between the truth and propaganda.'},\n {'end_time': '30:23', 'start_time': '30:22', 'text': 'Major Gaurav Arya.'},\n {'end_time': '30:25', 'start_time': '30:23', 'text': 'So thank you for being on the show.'},\n {'end_time': '30:27', 'start_time': '30:25', 'text': 'Hoping to do many more podcasts with you.'},\n {'end_time': '30:32', 'start_time': '30:27', 'text': \"I feel like one episode doesn't do justice to everything you've learned over the years and everything you're learning even now.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:33', 'start_time': '30:32', 'text': 'So thank you, sir.'},\n {'end_time': '30:36', 'start_time': '30:34', 'text': 'Looking forward to learning from you in the future as well.'},\n {'end_time': '30:37', 'start_time': '30:36', 'text': 'Thank you very much.'},\n {'end_time': '30:37', 'start_time': '30:37', 'text': 'Thank you very much.'},\n {'end_time': '30:38', 'start_time': '30:37', 'text': 'Grateful.'},\n {'end_time': '30:39', 'start_time': '30:38', 'text': 'Thank you, sir.'},\n {'end_time': '30:42', 'start_time': '30:40', 'text': 'So that was the episode of major God of Aria.'},\n {'end_time': '30:48', 'start_time': '30:42', 'text': 'Geopolitics is something that is best taught to you by soldiers according to me.'},\n {'end_time': '30:52', 'start_time': '30:49', 'text': \"They're the people who know that subject inside out.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:56', 'start_time': '30:52', 'text': \"They're the people whose lives are at stake because of that subject.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:01', 'start_time': '30:57', 'text': 'Major Gaurav Arya brings a certain kind of flare with his approach to this subject.'},\n {'end_time': '31:05', 'start_time': '31:01', 'text': \"And I'm sure he's going to be back on the Renveesh show.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:10', 'start_time': '31:05', 'text': \"For the viewers who weren't familiar with major Gauravaria till the point that we released this episode.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:14', 'start_time': '31:11', 'text': \"When he's back on the show, I suggest you be active on Twitter.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:21', 'start_time': '31:14', 'text': \"Send in your geopolitics based questions and we'll ensure that we ask him the best possible questions from you guys.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:26', 'start_time': '31:22', 'text': \"Remember, you guys are the reason TRS has grown the way it's grown.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:27', 'start_time': '31:26', 'text': 'Keep supporting us.'},\n {'end_time': '31:29', 'start_time': '31:27', 'text': 'Follow us on Spotify.'},\n {'end_time': '31:34', 'start_time': '31:29', 'text': \"Every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:38', 'start_time': '31:34', 'text': 'Lots more heavy and enriching conversation coming your way.'}],\n dtype=object)}", "role": "user" }, { "content": "{'chapters': array([{'start_time': '0:00', 'title': 'Introduction'},\n {'start_time': '1:06', 'title': 'About \"Geo-Politics\"'},\n {'start_time': '2:20', 'title': 'Corona as a Bio-weapon'},\n {'start_time': '7:45', 'title': 'Concept of the War'},\n {'start_time': '10:20', 'title': \"China's intention with 'War'\"},\n {'start_time': '16:55', 'title': \"The future of 'War'\"},\n 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"0:24", "text": "We found there's some something happening in Taj and something happened in Sayan Hospital and also in the in the BT station." }, { "end_time": "0:34", "start_time": "0:30", "text": "12:30 at night, they reached Mumbai and Taj, there was a lot of chaos there." }, { "end_time": "0:35", "start_time": "0:34", "text": "And the team were told to enter." }, { "end_time": "0:37", "start_time": "0:35", "text": "So we had we follow buddy pairs." }, { "end_time": "0:41", "start_time": "0:37", "text": "So one guy went there, second guy was outside and the other 5, 6 people are lined up behind." }, { "end_time": "0:43", "start_time": "0:41", "text": "He heard a cocking of AK 47." }, { "end_time": "0:45", "start_time": "0:43", "text": "And he realized they're under grief." }, { "end_time": "0:46", "start_time": "0:45", "text": "We were using MP fives." }, { "end_time": "0:50", "start_time": "0:46", "text": "So there's a distinct noise of MP 5 cocking and AK 47 cocking." }, { "end_time": "0:53", "start_time": "0:50", "text": "And then there was a volley of fire from the other side." }, { "end_time": "1:01", "start_time": "0:54", "text": "Commodore Vijay Pal Rawat is one of the most intense human beings we've had on this show." }, { "end_time": "1:04", "start_time": "1:01", "text": "When you first meet him, you won't be able to tell he's intense." }, { "end_time": "1:10", "start_time": "1:04", "text": "You can definitely tell that he's a military veteran because of the way he carries himself, because of the way he stands." }, { "end_time": "1:18", "start_time": "1:10", "text": "But very few people will be able to tell that he's considered to be one of the legends of the world of the MARCOS." }, { "end_time": "1:24", "start_time": "1:19", "text": "The MARCOS or the Marine Commandos are the special forces of the Indian Navy." }, { "end_time": "1:35", "start_time": "1:25", "text": "They were built in order to carry out extremely difficult operations that the regular military personnel may not be able to do with ease." }, { "end_time": "1:43", "start_time": "1:35", "text": "The kind of adventures that the Marcos have, the kind of missions that they're built for, That's what this episode is about today." }, { "end_time": "1:54", "start_time": "1:44", "text": "So while we began the episode speaking a little bit about the navy, trust me, it becomes one of the most adventurous episodes that we've ever created as the episode moves forward." }, { "end_time": "2:02", "start_time": "1:55", "text": "If you're fascinated by the Para SF, which is the special forces of the Indian Army, you're in for a ride when it comes to this episode." }, { "end_time": "2:12", "start_time": "2:03", "text": "The Marco's is a concept is a vertical of the Indian military that more people need to know of." }, { "end_time": "2:25", "start_time": "2:12", "text": "From an international perspective, everyone knows about the Navy SEALs, but very few people know that one of the most badass sections of the armed forces anywhere in the world are the Indian Marcos." }, { "end_time": "2:30", "start_time": "2:26", "text": "And here, we have a legend of the Indian Marcos with us." }, { "end_time": "2:32", "start_time": "2:30", "text": "Commodore Vijay Rawat is on PRS." }, { "end_time": "2:35", "start_time": "2:32", "text": "Make sure you follow PRS on Spotify." }, { "end_time": "2:36", "start_time": "2:35", "text": "We're Spotify exclusive." }, { "end_time": "2:41", "start_time": "2:37", "text": "Every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world." }, { "end_time": "2:44", "start_time": "2:43", "text": "Sir, thank you for being on the show." }, { "end_time": "2:52", "start_time": "2:44", "text": "And to the audience, I'll let you slip into one of the most iconic DRS episodes that we've created in recent times, Jahint." }, { "end_time": "3:14", "start_time": "3:14", "text": "Excited?" }, { "end_time": "3:16", "start_time": "3:15", "text": "Oh, very excited." }, { "end_time": "3:17", "start_time": "3:16", "text": "I'm excited." }, { "end_time": "3:22", "start_time": "3:17", "text": "I I was just talking on behalf of myself, but I'm glad to know that you're excited." }, { "end_time": "3:27", "start_time": "3:22", "text": "You know, when someone meets you in real life, I'm gonna be very straightforward here." }, { "end_time": "3:37", "start_time": "3:27", "text": "But when someone meets you in real life, I don't think they know what kind of a badass you are and what kind of tough human being you are because your vibe is too friendly and approachable." }, { "end_time": "3:37", "start_time": "3:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:38", "start_time": "3:37", "text": "Thanks a lot." }, { "end_time": "3:38", "start_time": "3:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:41", "start_time": "3:38", "text": "But it's kind of like a whole Peter Parker Spider Man situation." }, { "end_time": "3:42", "start_time": "3:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:43", "start_time": "3:42", "text": "That's absolutely right." }, { "end_time": "3:44", "start_time": "3:43", "text": "But, you know, he tells my wife once a while." }, { "end_time": "3:46", "start_time": "3:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:52", "start_time": "3:46", "text": "There's a Peter Parker sitting in front of us who can easily jump up on the roof and start crawling and become a Spider Man." }, { "end_time": "3:52", "start_time": "3:52", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "3:54", "start_time": "3:52", "text": "Thanks for this accolades." }, { "end_time": "3:56", "start_time": "3:55", "text": "My god, sir." }, { "end_time": "4:01", "start_time": "3:56", "text": "I can't tell you how collectively excited the team is to do a Marco's themed episode." }, { "end_time": "4:03", "start_time": "4:01", "text": "We've done so many Armed Forces episodes." }, { "end_time": "4:07", "start_time": "4:03", "text": "We've had Marco's based conversations come up in the past episodes." }, { "end_time": "4:07", "start_time": "4:07", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "4:15", "start_time": "4:07", "text": "And we sat on the edit table and removed it because the internal conversation was when Vijay sir comes, that's when we'll actually do an all out Marco's based conversation." }, { "end_time": "4:18", "start_time": "4:15", "text": "So not one data point of Marco's should go out for anyone other than you." }, { "end_time": "4:19", "start_time": "4:18", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "4:21", "start_time": "4:20", "text": "So that's what this episode is, sir." }, { "end_time": "4:23", "start_time": "4:21", "text": "Anyway, once again, thanks for that." }, { "end_time": "4:23", "start_time": "4:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:28", "start_time": "4:23", "text": "I I don't think, honestly, people know what Marco's is really." }, { "end_time": "4:31", "start_time": "4:28", "text": "People have just started to even understand special forces in general." }, { "end_time": "4:34", "start_time": "4:31", "text": "Because there's not much data about the armed forces out there in the public domain." }, { "end_time": "4:34", "start_time": "4:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:35", "start_time": "4:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:35", "start_time": "4:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:40", "start_time": "4:35", "text": "You know, often people's understanding of the armed forces comes from movies like Shersha or Border." }, { "end_time": "4:41", "start_time": "4:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:43", "start_time": "4:41", "text": "But this is the real method in which it should come out." }, { "end_time": "4:45", "start_time": "4:43", "text": "We also have international audiences." }, { "end_time": "4:46", "start_time": "4:45", "text": "So Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:52", "start_time": "4:46", "text": "So I'd love for you to kind of introduce what Marco's is to both international audiences as well as Indian citizens listening in." }, { "end_time": "4:52", "start_time": "4:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:53", "start_time": "4:52", "text": "My pleasure actually." }, { "end_time": "4:58", "start_time": "4:54", "text": "See, every service, in the armed force have got a special forces element." }, { "end_time": "5:01", "start_time": "4:58", "text": "So the special of forces element for the navy is the marine commandos." }, { "end_time": "5:05", "start_time": "5:02", "text": "It was, it was actually commissioned earlier as the Indian marine special force." }, { "end_time": "5:08", "start_time": "5:05", "text": "But later on, the name was changed to marine commandos." }, { "end_time": "5:11", "start_time": "5:08", "text": "So it does confuse with, Royal Marine commando, which is not so." }, { "end_time": "5:17", "start_time": "5:11", "text": "Because it is a special force like they have the SBS or we have the, you know, delta force or we have seal team 6." }, { "end_time": "5:20", "start_time": "5:17", "text": "I think I think you might have to explain the term special forces." }, { "end_time": "5:20", "start_time": "5:20", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "5:21", "start_time": "5:20", "text": "I will tell you." }, { "end_time": "5:27", "start_time": "5:21", "text": "See what happens, you know, like, you have a normally a normal soldier in the armed forces that trained to a certain level of combat." }, { "end_time": "5:33", "start_time": "5:28", "text": "And based on his level of knowledge and training and skill sets, he's able to do some kind of operations." }, { "end_time": "5:40", "start_time": "5:33", "text": "But then if you have to upscale his skills and, you know, make him, a combatant who can do much beyond, what an infantry soldier can do." }, { "end_time": "5:44", "start_time": "5:40", "text": "And let me also tell you here that infantry Indian infantry soldiers are par excellence." }, { "end_time": "5:45", "start_time": "5:44", "text": "They're actually very good." }, { "end_time": "5:52", "start_time": "5:45", "text": "But amongst them, if you want the best people and then they have to train them, to become special forces, they requires different kind of steel." }, { "end_time": "5:57", "start_time": "5:52", "text": "I know nerves of steel, it kinda requires different kind of your, combination of bone and brain." }, { "end_time": "6:14", "start_time": "5:57", "text": "So what happens, in the special forces, you find guys, who are who are mentally very tough, physically robust, and, they have a natural instinct for, you know, doing situation awareness and orientation towards any situation which they're developing, which for a normal soldier may actually unsettle him." }, { "end_time": "6:22", "start_time": "6:14", "text": "But for a special forces guy, definitely, that's the way, the training, level is so high that it sort of becomes like a muscle memory." }, { "end_time": "6:29", "start_time": "6:22", "text": "And so this is the second thing is that a special forces comprised of the best people we have in the armed forces." }, { "end_time": "6:31", "start_time": "6:29", "text": "Number 2, they got the best weapons and equipment." }, { "end_time": "6:34", "start_time": "6:32", "text": "Number 3, they got the best platform for launch and recovery." }, { "end_time": "6:36", "start_time": "6:35", "text": "For launch and recovery?" }, { "end_time": "6:45", "start_time": "6:36", "text": "Means when you launch team, I'm talking about the marine commanders because a lot of launch, amongst amongst the 3 services, marine commanders are the only force which actually operate in 3 dimensions." }, { "end_time": "6:51", "start_time": "6:46", "text": "We, use the air medium for doing insertion by skydiving, by para jumping, windbus tethering, and rapping." }, { "end_time": "6:59", "start_time": "6:52", "text": "Then we use, then we use the c medium for doing, you know, using your ribs for rigid hull inflatable fast boards." }, { "end_time": "7:00", "start_time": "6:59", "text": "What what is that?" }, { "end_time": "7:03", "start_time": "7:00", "text": "It's basically a a fast board which has a speed of 40 knots plus." }, { "end_time": "7:05", "start_time": "7:03", "text": "It can carry about 16 people." }, { "end_time": "7:09", "start_time": "7:05", "text": "Forty knots stands about almost 35 kilowatt hours, which is a very high speed." }, { "end_time": "7:15", "start_time": "7:09", "text": "And it is meant for quick insertion and extraction from a particular target area after you achieve the mission." }, { "end_time": "7:17", "start_time": "7:15", "text": "So that is one way we can use it." }, { "end_time": "7:22", "start_time": "7:17", "text": "The same blip can also be air dropped from a c one three zero or c 17, and then we do a follow-up with a skydive." }, { "end_time": "7:23", "start_time": "7:22", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "7:25", "start_time": "7:23", "text": "And then, you know, the rip falls into the water." }, { "end_time": "7:29", "start_time": "7:25", "text": "We skydive next to the rip, and within one and a half minute, we are into the rip and then we go for an operation." }, { "end_time": "7:33", "start_time": "7:29", "text": "You say it so casually with so much humility in your eyes again." }, { "end_time": "7:36", "start_time": "7:33", "text": "Like, people don't understand the dangers involved." }, { "end_time": "7:39", "start_time": "7:36", "text": "People don't don't understand the difficulty involved." }, { "end_time": "7:44", "start_time": "7:39", "text": "I'm feeling very bad about it without retired and, you know, this is, you know, the fun thing of about my youngsters to do." }, { "end_time": "7:52", "start_time": "7:44", "text": "Because by the time all this capability got into the service, I had just was over the over the curve, and I wasn't able to do all those things." }, { "end_time": "7:56", "start_time": "7:52", "text": "But, you know, at least I've been sure that this capability has not been made available to us." }, { "end_time": "8:04", "start_time": "7:56", "text": "So today, if you look at from the equipment point of view, we are at par with, perhaps the best maritime special forces in the world including the US Navy Seals." }, { "end_time": "8:05", "start_time": "8:04", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "8:06", "start_time": "8:05", "text": "And so that is one." }, { "end_time": "8:07", "start_time": "8:06", "text": "So this is another medium." }, { "end_time": "8:09", "start_time": "8:07", "text": "A third medium is underwater medium." }, { "end_time": "8:18", "start_time": "8:09", "text": "Underwater medium is basically, you know, we got, 2 man craft called the chariot craft, which has about, no, 100 kilo of TNT slung under it." }, { "end_time": "8:21", "start_time": "8:18", "text": "And you also carry limpid mine, which are about 7 kilos and 15 kilos." }, { "end_time": "8:25", "start_time": "8:21", "text": "There are 2 people who sit on the chariot cloth, and one is a pilot." }, { "end_time": "8:31", "start_time": "8:25", "text": "And the pilot console is something very similar to a helicopter console, but it's very, very, narrow down version." }, { "end_time": "8:33", "start_time": "8:32", "text": "You got a gyro." }, { "end_time": "8:35", "start_time": "8:33", "text": "You got a depth meter." }, { "end_time": "8:36", "start_time": "8:35", "text": "You got echo sounder." }, { "end_time": "8:37", "start_time": "8:36", "text": "You got a forward echo sounder." }, { "end_time": "8:42", "start_time": "8:37", "text": "And you you got, a pitch indicator and battery indicators and all those kind of stuff." }, { "end_time": "8:44", "start_time": "8:42", "text": "And then and it's a free flooding compartment." }, { "end_time": "8:46", "start_time": "8:44", "text": "That means the water is coming for all on." }, { "end_time": "8:47", "start_time": "8:46", "text": "You are actually in the water medium." }, { "end_time": "8:50", "start_time": "8:47", "text": "You're wearing a diving set, a close second diving set." }, { "end_time": "8:54", "start_time": "8:50", "text": "And a close second diving set is normally used when you have 100% oxygen in a bottle." }, { "end_time": "9:03", "start_time": "8:55", "text": "And then when you, breathe in and you exhale, the exhale air doesn't go out because if it goes out, bubbles are formed and somebody can make out that there's somebody underwater." }, { "end_time": "9:13", "start_time": "9:03", "text": "So this one, when the bubble comes bubble doesn't come, the exhaled air goes into the CO2 absorbent, which is in a canister in the diving set, and that actually converts it into oxygen again." }, { "end_time": "9:14", "start_time": "9:13", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "9:15", "start_time": "9:14", "text": "So then, that's how it does." }, { "end_time": "9:17", "start_time": "9:15", "text": "So the endurance that's also what you read with the set." }, { "end_time": "9:20", "start_time": "9:17", "text": "And the endurance of the set is about 2 to 3 hours." }, { "end_time": "9:22", "start_time": "9:20", "text": "What about the endurance of the people wearing?" }, { "end_time": "9:30", "start_time": "9:22", "text": "Endurance of the people, you know, that's the issue because normally, that's the reason why, we did do so much of training for the marine commander especially in water." }, { "end_time": "9:33", "start_time": "9:31", "text": "Because the water is not a very easy medium." }, { "end_time": "9:34", "start_time": "9:33", "text": "It doesn't spare you so easily." }, { "end_time": "9:36", "start_time": "9:34", "text": "If you get tired in land, you can actually stop." }, { "end_time": "9:38", "start_time": "9:36", "text": "But if you get tired in water, then you'll be in grief." }, { "end_time": "9:43", "start_time": "9:38", "text": "You know, I love military podcast because you give me so many tangents to go on." }, { "end_time": "9:45", "start_time": "9:43", "text": "It doesn't happen with other human beings." }, { "end_time": "9:47", "start_time": "9:46", "text": "But so okay." }, { "end_time": "9:49", "start_time": "9:47", "text": "Let me let me ask you, this." }, { "end_time": "9:52", "start_time": "9:50", "text": "Why are all special forces Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:53", "start_time": "9:52", "text": "Why they're so, like, humble?" }, { "end_time": "9:58", "start_time": "9:53", "text": "Like, I feel like that's also a definite part of the human element of special forces." }, { "end_time": "10:01", "start_time": "9:58", "text": "And the one thing I understood is that there is a very strong human element." }, { "end_time": "10:14", "start_time": "10:02", "text": "Like, while you're putting these high quality soldiers through some sort of training, you are also putting them through some sort of mental conditioning to almost make them better human beings or to make them more humble." }, { "end_time": "10:15", "start_time": "10:14", "text": "Am I correct in saying that?" }, { "end_time": "10:16", "start_time": "10:15", "text": "Actually, absolutely you're correct." }, { "end_time": "10:20", "start_time": "10:16", "text": "But, you know, how do I put this so that, you know, the viewers can actually easily understand?" }, { "end_time": "10:25", "start_time": "10:20", "text": "You know, when a baby is born, he's actually raw, and, he doesn't know anything." }, { "end_time": "10:30", "start_time": "10:25", "text": "So for him, everything is natural comes naturally to him, and then he imbibes and picks up things." }, { "end_time": "10:33", "start_time": "10:30", "text": "In the mid I I I've done, marine commando training." }, { "end_time": "10:37", "start_time": "10:33", "text": "I've done infantry, commando school building on training, which is a very tough training of 33 days." }, { "end_time": "10:40", "start_time": "10:37", "text": "I've also done, the course little bit of course with NSG." }, { "end_time": "10:44", "start_time": "10:40", "text": "Before that, I did the my clearance diving course, which is basically it's quite a difficult course." }, { "end_time": "10:47", "start_time": "10:44", "text": "It's about 8 months course, which happens in coaching, diving school coaching." }, { "end_time": "10:58", "start_time": "10:47", "text": "See, in all these courses, the emphasis is on making you raw, getting you down to your knees, getting you to the you know, they say you're the biggest come in the earth and you don't, know, you you you don't exist in the earth." }, { "end_time": "11:00", "start_time": "10:58", "text": "And if you want to survive, then you have to prove it." }, { "end_time": "11:05", "start_time": "11:00", "text": "So what happened to get you down to such an extent that, that, you know, your mind stops working." }, { "end_time": "11:07", "start_time": "11:05", "text": "Your mind starts working and you become like a baby." }, { "end_time": "11:11", "start_time": "11:08", "text": "So I, I assume that if humility comes from there Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:11", "start_time": "11:11", "text": "One second." }, { "end_time": "11:14", "start_time": "11:11", "text": "When you said become like a baby, you mean you go to a very primal level in your brain." }, { "end_time": "11:15", "start_time": "11:14", "text": "Primal level." }, { "end_time": "11:23", "start_time": "11:15", "text": "You do you'd go to very primal level survival and, you know, like, just imagine, you your day start, I'm saying that, Clarence dive Clarence diving course." }, { "end_time": "11:26", "start_time": "11:24", "text": "Clarence diving because we we clear, minds underwater." }, { "end_time": "11:30", "start_time": "11:27", "text": "So you'll have to kind of explain the educational trajectory as well." }, { "end_time": "11:31", "start_time": "11:30", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "11:33", "start_time": "11:31", "text": "So just People have no context here." }, { "end_time": "11:40", "start_time": "11:33", "text": "So, like, you have normal bombs, which are thrown, brought by the aircrafts, and they are meant to explode and create the kind of destruction." }, { "end_time": "11:47", "start_time": "11:41", "text": "Similarly, you have sea mines, which are laid underwater just to destroy some ships which are passing over it." }, { "end_time": "11:53", "start_time": "11:47", "text": "So you have a sea mine which is laid underwater to a depth of, let's say, 20, 30, 40 meters by various mediums." }, { "end_time": "11:54", "start_time": "11:53", "text": "You can throw it from an aircraft." }, { "end_time": "12:00", "start_time": "11:54", "text": "You can throw it from a craft of opportunity or you can throw it get a submarine and to lay the sea mines." }, { "end_time": "12:02", "start_time": "12:00", "text": "Idea is to stop, the own shipping." }, { "end_time": "12:07", "start_time": "12:03", "text": "To disturb the own chipping and also to stop your own warships trying to trouble them." }, { "end_time": "12:09", "start_time": "12:07", "text": "So this is this kind of mining operation which happens." }, { "end_time": "12:23", "start_time": "12:09", "text": "So the clearance diving team is, is comprised of a team of divers, cleansed divers who are trained to do underwater disposal of the sea mines, which is a very high risk kind of activity because Like bomb." }, { "end_time": "12:24", "start_time": "12:23", "text": "Bomb." }, { "end_time": "12:24", "start_time": "12:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:28", "start_time": "12:25", "text": "But when you diffuse a bomb on surface, I've done that course also." }, { "end_time": "12:33", "start_time": "12:28", "text": "I have also qualified in improvised explosive devices, no disposal and also making it." }, { "end_time": "12:39", "start_time": "12:34", "text": "So now what happened underwater, as I told you, it's not as simple as what you do on the surface." }, { "end_time": "12:41", "start_time": "12:40", "text": "There is a issue of equipment." }, { "end_time": "12:43", "start_time": "12:41", "text": "There is issue of, you know, stabilizing yourself." }, { "end_time": "12:48", "start_time": "12:44", "text": "And, there is a limited amount of people who can actually address one mine underwater." }, { "end_time": "12:53", "start_time": "12:48", "text": "Mines actually sink into the mud and, you know, sometimes really keep on digging to find where the mine is." }, { "end_time": "12:56", "start_time": "12:53", "text": "And the Indian waters such that, you know, sometime the mine goes to about 2, 3 meters." }, { "end_time": "13:01", "start_time": "12:56", "text": "You really can't actually when you say 2, 3 meters under the bottom becomes clay or mud." }, { "end_time": "13:02", "start_time": "13:01", "text": "It just goes to sinks inside." }, { "end_time": "13:04", "start_time": "13:02", "text": "So how do how the hell do you find out?" }, { "end_time": "13:19", "start_time": "13:04", "text": "And then the these are the mines who got, they can get activated by either a pressure and you, induced, this activation or by noise activation or even by metallic changes of any magnetism because they are actually meant for ships." }, { "end_time": "13:23", "start_time": "13:19", "text": "So when a ship is moving, there is a ambient noise within the ship internal noise of the ship." }, { "end_time": "13:31", "start_time": "13:23", "text": "There is also the noise of the propellers, and there are also, the metal, a huge metal about 4 to 5000 tons of metal moving over the water." }, { "end_time": "13:35", "start_time": "13:31", "text": "So it is going to have some kind of magnetic, disturbances, which is picked up by a mine." }, { "end_time": "13:36", "start_time": "13:35", "text": "It just explodes." }, { "end_time": "13:42", "start_time": "13:36", "text": "And if you have 1 or 2 mines which explode onto a ship, then probably the ship will be in grief, where it actually can sink." }, { "end_time": "13:51", "start_time": "13:42", "text": "So our job is to ensure that once you detect a mine, our job of the as a clearance driver is to go underwater with your equipment and try to identify the mine and try to diffuse the mine." }, { "end_time": "13:53", "start_time": "13:51", "text": "One little rookie question." }, { "end_time": "13:53", "start_time": "13:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:55", "start_time": "13:53", "text": "Very city boy question for you." }, { "end_time": "13:59", "start_time": "13:56", "text": "You said it's like 20 to 30 meters deep." }, { "end_time": "13:59", "start_time": "13:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:03", "start_time": "13:59", "text": "I've done a 36, foot dive, I believe." }, { "end_time": "14:06", "start_time": "14:03", "text": "It was, like, significantly That's about 10, 11 meters." }, { "end_time": "14:06", "start_time": "14:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:06", "start_time": "14:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:09", "start_time": "14:06", "text": "So I can't imagine how deep these mines are placed." }, { "end_time": "14:12", "start_time": "14:09", "text": "And also, I can't imagine the force with which those bombs explode Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:14", "start_time": "14:12", "text": "To be able to take out a ship that's on the surface." }, { "end_time": "14:16", "start_time": "14:14", "text": "There's a waterproof effect, you know." }, { "end_time": "14:19", "start_time": "14:16", "text": "It it explode underwater and the waterproof comes up." }, { "end_time": "14:19", "start_time": "14:19", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "14:20", "start_time": "14:19", "text": "It's like a torpedo." }, { "end_time": "14:20", "start_time": "14:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:20", "start_time": "14:20", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "14:24", "start_time": "14:20", "text": "When you when a even a bomb actually on surface explodes, it has got the pressure effect." }, { "end_time": "14:28", "start_time": "14:24", "text": "It's got the waves, pressure which is coming and the sound and up to the sharpness." }, { "end_time": "14:37", "start_time": "14:29", "text": "Underwater sharpness will not have much of a relevance, but, the pressure of the explosion of the TNT, it could be 300 kg, 200 kg TNT." }, { "end_time": "14:39", "start_time": "14:38", "text": "TNT is a explosive." }, { "end_time": "14:39", "start_time": "14:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:41", "start_time": "14:39", "text": "You could have various other kinds of explosive." }, { "end_time": "14:49", "start_time": "14:42", "text": "And that explodes, and, then, there's a water the column of water above the, above the mine that actually comes up." }, { "end_time": "14:49", "start_time": "14:49", "text": "Gotcha." }, { "end_time": "14:51", "start_time": "14:49", "text": "And then that's called the water plume." }, { "end_time": "14:52", "start_time": "14:51", "text": "The water plume is very dangerous." }, { "end_time": "14:54", "start_time": "14:53", "text": "It's a hydro cannon." }, { "end_time": "14:54", "start_time": "14:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:55", "start_time": "14:54", "text": "Hydro cannon." }, { "end_time": "14:56", "start_time": "14:55", "text": "And it can actually it's like a water jet." }, { "end_time": "14:59", "start_time": "14:56", "text": "And it can actually break a ship's hull into 2 parts." }, { "end_time": "15:01", "start_time": "14:59", "text": "Let's get into naval warfare Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:01", "start_time": "15:01", "text": "Little bit." }, { "end_time": "15:04", "start_time": "15:01", "text": "I don't even know where to begin this conversation, honestly." }, { "end_time": "15:12", "start_time": "15:04", "text": "But what I would also like to kind of give you context on is that when it comes to the subject of hot war, where humans go up against other humans Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:14", "start_time": "15:12", "text": "Lots of people visualize the army." }, { "end_time": "15:17", "start_time": "15:14", "text": "You know, like fighting against like soldiers fighting against each other." }, { "end_time": "15:25", "start_time": "15:18", "text": "Has there been a recent sort of violent hot war history of naval warfare anywhere in the world?" }, { "end_time": "15:34", "start_time": "15:25", "text": "Seems like this that, all the greatest parts of the world have become great because of among the 3 services, one service very predominant, which is the, which is the navy." }, { "end_time": "15:44", "start_time": "15:34", "text": "You see the the Royal Navy, the British Navy, most of the other, you know, people who who set up colonies were all use using their ships for all the moments." }, { "end_time": "15:46", "start_time": "15:44", "text": "And so basically, the navy was the one in the forefront." }, { "end_time": "15:49", "start_time": "15:46", "text": "All the expedition they had from the ships only." }, { "end_time": "15:55", "start_time": "15:49", "text": "Today, the US Navy has got a preponderance of force because they got 11, aircraft nuclear aircraft carriers." }, { "end_time": "15:57", "start_time": "15:55", "text": "Each aircraft carrier can carry about 90 aircrafts." }, { "end_time": "15:58", "start_time": "15:57", "text": "Can you imagine?" }, { "end_time": "16:02", "start_time": "15:58", "text": "Together, they're bigger than most of the, no, air forces of the world." }, { "end_time": "16:02", "start_time": "16:02", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "16:07", "start_time": "16:02", "text": "Are there a lot of naval warfare situations that happen all over the globe which are not reported by media?" }, { "end_time": "16:12", "start_time": "16:07", "text": "So what happens, most of the countries cannot afford to have a full fledged war because it takes the economy down by a couple of years." }, { "end_time": "16:17", "start_time": "16:12", "text": "You know, if China is a is a emerging power, in fact, is the 2nd largest economy in the world." }, { "end_time": "16:25", "start_time": "16:17", "text": "And, they really want to become the world power, but then to become the world power, they start they should not start doing all this kind of activity in the world." }, { "end_time": "16:29", "start_time": "16:25", "text": "They should not do things because it is gonna affect their economies, it's gonna affect their business interest." }, { "end_time": "16:31", "start_time": "16:29", "text": "It's diplomatically, it's going to have a beating." }, { "end_time": "16:31", "start_time": "16:31", "text": "They're going to take a beating." }, { "end_time": "16:33", "start_time": "16:31", "text": "So all these things are there." }, { "end_time": "16:41", "start_time": "16:34", "text": "So, everybody wants to have a a a little bit of conflict, you know, and keep it below the escalation matrix." }, { "end_time": "16:49", "start_time": "16:41", "text": "That means you start something, but ensure that it is so calibrated that it doesn't go, no, conflict with to a full fledged warfare." }, { "end_time": "16:49", "start_time": "16:49", "text": "Gotcha." }, { "end_time": "16:51", "start_time": "16:49", "text": "Same thing happened in India India, Pakistan." }, { "end_time": "16:58", "start_time": "16:51", "text": "If you see, Kargil, the same thing, we didn't want to cross the LOC and go that side because we could have easily done that." }, { "end_time": "17:03", "start_time": "16:58", "text": "But then we did not do it because we have got we are a principal country, you know, we didn't want to, unless we escalate." }, { "end_time": "17:08", "start_time": "17:03", "text": "When it comes to naval warfare, we fire a missile or a torpedo." }, { "end_time": "17:10", "start_time": "17:08", "text": "It hits a target, the target sinks." }, { "end_time": "17:12", "start_time": "17:10", "text": "And we target targets like a ship." }, { "end_time": "17:20", "start_time": "17:12", "text": "A ship will sink with 200 people on board, and, of course, the cost of the any normal warship, a frigate class will cost you about 8 to 10000 crores." }, { "end_time": "17:23", "start_time": "17:20", "text": "So that's the amount of damage plus the psychological damage." }, { "end_time": "17:28", "start_time": "17:24", "text": "So, that's why Navy doesn't get involved in very small time skirmishes." }, { "end_time": "17:34", "start_time": "17:29", "text": "Navy gets involved in something called a LEMO, low intensity maritime operations." }, { "end_time": "17:35", "start_time": "17:34", "text": "That is, you know, people do gun running." }, { "end_time": "17:36", "start_time": "17:35", "text": "They do human trafficking." }, { "end_time": "17:40", "start_time": "17:37", "text": "They do some kind of, you know, piracy operations and all these small small operations." }, { "end_time": "17:41", "start_time": "17:40", "text": "They're the navy." }, { "end_time": "17:43", "start_time": "17:41", "text": "During peacetime, they do it." }, { "end_time": "17:43", "start_time": "17:43", "text": "That's fine." }, { "end_time": "17:55", "start_time": "17:43", "text": "But, you know, I think after the, after the, Israel, Egypt war, which was which saw the missile actions, There has been no significant, action." }, { "end_time": "17:59", "start_time": "17:55", "text": "Only now in Ukraine, you found one of the one of the, you know, worship was sunk." }, { "end_time": "18:03", "start_time": "18:00", "text": "Can I pitch a geopolitical concept even this is from my understanding from the show?" }, { "end_time": "18:05", "start_time": "18:03", "text": "Please correct me for now." }, { "end_time": "18:12", "start_time": "18:05", "text": "Is it true that if you control the seas, it is extremely beneficial to your economy and therefore your geopolitical power in the world?" }, { "end_time": "18:16", "start_time": "18:12", "text": "And is that the reason why the navy is so key to geopolitical power?" }, { "end_time": "18:16", "start_time": "18:16", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "18:28", "start_time": "18:16", "text": "See, actually, when, our prime minister, late prime minister Nehru, he said, you know, if you control the sea, if you go to the sea, you actually can influence, issues on the land." }, { "end_time": "18:30", "start_time": "18:28", "text": "And is it because the seas provide food?" }, { "end_time": "18:31", "start_time": "18:30", "text": "Like, is that the reason?" }, { "end_time": "18:32", "start_time": "18:31", "text": "Not only food." }, { "end_time": "18:36", "start_time": "18:32", "text": "I actually see 9 if you come to the world trade, almost 90% of world trade moves by sea." }, { "end_time": "18:37", "start_time": "18:36", "text": "Trading what?" }, { "end_time": "18:45", "start_time": "18:37", "text": "Trading in crude oil, trading in petroleum products, trading in coal, minerals, everything you know is being carried from one country to the other." }, { "end_time": "18:47", "start_time": "18:46", "text": "Import, export, all these things happen." }, { "end_time": "18:49", "start_time": "18:47", "text": "So they are carrying the trade." }, { "end_time": "18:57", "start_time": "18:49", "text": "Now coming back to India, 90, 90% by volume and 97% by cost, that must trade happens through the sea route." }, { "end_time": "19:12", "start_time": "18:57", "text": "So now that's why to ensure that our sea lines of communication, that is the shipping is not disturbed by inimical, elements even by, other navies and other rogue elements, we need to have a strong navy." }, { "end_time": "19:16", "start_time": "19:12", "text": "And not only strong navy, we should need we need to have a navy which can actually react immediately." }, { "end_time": "19:22", "start_time": "19:17", "text": "That's why, again, as, I really cannot reveal much about, the deployments of our ships." }, { "end_time": "19:29", "start_time": "19:22", "text": "Or I can just tell you that 2 years back, there were more than 150 warships of foreign countries deployed in the Indian Ocean region, itself." }, { "end_time": "19:35", "start_time": "19:30", "text": "And there were about more than 51 ships from the US Navy which are deployed at any point in time in the Indian Ocean region." }, { "end_time": "19:36", "start_time": "19:35", "text": "What is the business here?" }, { "end_time": "19:50", "start_time": "19:36", "text": "The business here is to ensure that the business runs without, the preponderance of force that to a naval force which can actually dominate that area, control the seas, and ensure that there is a smooth flow of traffic of the trade." }, { "end_time": "19:52", "start_time": "19:51", "text": "They have to be there." }, { "end_time": "19:54", "start_time": "19:52", "text": "Like how they say wars are won or loss based on logistics." }, { "end_time": "20:01", "start_time": "19:55", "text": "So this is the economic version of it in terms of the economy of countries is heavily dependent on On Magdal Marine." }, { "end_time": "20:04", "start_time": "20:02", "text": "You guys protect the merchant names." }, { "end_time": "20:06", "start_time": "20:04", "text": "We are to ensure that our sea borders are protected." }, { "end_time": "20:13", "start_time": "20:06", "text": "We are to ensure that our, the sea which come under Indian jurisdiction are not exploited by the other powers Gotcha." }, { "end_time": "20:16", "start_time": "20:13", "text": "Until the, economic, you know, exclusive economic zone." }, { "end_time": "20:18", "start_time": "20:16", "text": "And beyond that is the high seas." }, { "end_time": "20:20", "start_time": "20:18", "text": "But within that, they should be protected." }, { "end_time": "20:25", "start_time": "20:21", "text": "And, and then 3rd, you have to ensure that our, energy security." }, { "end_time": "20:31", "start_time": "20:26", "text": "That means, you know, petroleum products and, you know, gas products, all these which are coming by tankers and all these things." }, { "end_time": "20:35", "start_time": "20:31", "text": "1 or 2,000,000 barrels of oil is required every day in India to sustain the economy." }, { "end_time": "20:36", "start_time": "20:35", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "20:38", "start_time": "20:36", "text": "So every country has got something called a strategic oil reserves." }, { "end_time": "20:40", "start_time": "20:38", "text": "I may be wrong with my figure." }, { "end_time": "20:40", "start_time": "20:40", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "20:42", "start_time": "20:40", "text": "So but that's not of much interest to the general public." }, { "end_time": "20:49", "start_time": "20:42", "text": "Just to, suffice to say that a lot of oil is required by the country to run the economy on a daily basis." }, { "end_time": "20:53", "start_time": "20:49", "text": "So what countries do that they develop something called a strategic, oil reserves." }, { "end_time": "20:57", "start_time": "20:54", "text": "If you don't have strategic oil reserves, obviously, you'll come to a grinding halt." }, { "end_time": "20:59", "start_time": "20:57", "text": "You cannot run your aircraft." }, { "end_time": "21:00", "start_time": "20:59", "text": "You cannot move fly your aircraft." }, { "end_time": "21:01", "start_time": "21:00", "text": "You can't run your tanks." }, { "end_time": "21:02", "start_time": "21:01", "text": "You cannot move your ships." }, { "end_time": "21:03", "start_time": "21:02", "text": "And then nothing can happen." }, { "end_time": "21:07", "start_time": "21:03", "text": "You as as good as surrendering while being in harbor." }, { "end_time": "21:09", "start_time": "21:07", "text": "One more naval warfare, sir." }, { "end_time": "21:09", "start_time": "21:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:14", "start_time": "21:10", "text": "In like I've I've kind of again, got so many places to go with this." }, { "end_time": "21:17", "start_time": "21:14", "text": "How do you even explain naval warfare to someone who doesn't really understand it?" }, { "end_time": "21:25", "start_time": "21:17", "text": "Because, I mean, I'm sure there's deep levels of strategy maneuvering the ship, you know, the way you'd use the weapons." }, { "end_time": "21:27", "start_time": "21:26", "text": "How do you even explain it?" }, { "end_time": "21:28", "start_time": "21:27", "text": "Actually, no." }, { "end_time": "21:32", "start_time": "21:28", "text": "Even people talk about warfare, I don't think people even understand what is army warfare." }, { "end_time": "21:41", "start_time": "21:33", "text": "What they see now in the news media is, you know, they watch a movie called border and they know there's a line of control is there and there are firing going on from here, firing going from there." }, { "end_time": "21:42", "start_time": "21:41", "text": "Then you do artillery firing." }, { "end_time": "21:44", "start_time": "21:42", "text": "They have to do artillery firing." }, { "end_time": "21:45", "start_time": "21:44", "text": "This is not warfare actually." }, { "end_time": "21:50", "start_time": "21:45", "text": "This is not this is very simple, one of the lowest, level of warfare." }, { "end_time": "21:50", "start_time": "21:50", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "21:54", "start_time": "21:50", "text": "Then what they understand is, you know, you see, you know, people having problems." }, { "end_time": "21:55", "start_time": "21:54", "text": "Not problems." }, { "end_time": "22:00", "start_time": "21:55", "text": "People getting into encounter in J and K and even the northeast against terrorists and all." }, { "end_time": "22:09", "start_time": "22:00", "text": "So people understand this because they see people in, no camouflage uniform from the army and also from the other security forces, and they're doing this kind of anti terrorist operations." }, { "end_time": "22:13", "start_time": "22:09", "text": "I think, the general public feels that that is what is army warfare." }, { "end_time": "22:14", "start_time": "22:13", "text": "That's not so." }, { "end_time": "22:17", "start_time": "22:14", "text": "In fact, that is one of that is actually police role actually." }, { "end_time": "22:19", "start_time": "22:18", "text": "Army is not meant for that." }, { "end_time": "22:25", "start_time": "22:19", "text": "But when one of the duties of our, army is to when they're called upon to do internal security, so they do it." }, { "end_time": "22:26", "start_time": "22:25", "text": "And that's why we are doing it." }, { "end_time": "22:31", "start_time": "22:27", "text": "Because they're the most organized force and the most well trained force that's why they are deployed for this kind of operations." }, { "end_time": "22:37", "start_time": "22:32", "text": "Otherwise, this is not, the only this is one of the smallest spec of, army operations." }, { "end_time": "22:48", "start_time": "22:37", "text": "Even the army operations are very, very high-tech in the sense that not only high-tech in terms of the equipment they use, but also the thought process, the strategy they make, the kind of to further progress with the operations." }, { "end_time": "22:50", "start_time": "22:48", "text": "So it's complicated by itself." }, { "end_time": "22:54", "start_time": "22:50", "text": "Coming to the Air Force operation, no one understand they all know Barlow Court strike and that's about it." }, { "end_time": "22:56", "start_time": "22:54", "text": "That is one small part of the Air Force operation." }, { "end_time": "23:02", "start_time": "22:56", "text": "I mean, if that was so, Indian air force doesn't have to be the 5th largest or 4th largest air force in the world." }, { "end_time": "23:05", "start_time": "23:02", "text": "We got about 800 aircraft in our in our kitty." }, { "end_time": "23:11", "start_time": "23:05", "text": "Then coming to the naval operations, obviously, as compared to these 2, they are more visible because they're in land." }, { "end_time": "23:19", "start_time": "23:11", "text": "But any warfare at sea is something which people don't come to know about it because it is not so apparent, and we don't operate in small scales." }, { "end_time": "23:23", "start_time": "23:19", "text": "Naval warfare is always in large scale, and large scale means war." }, { "end_time": "23:24", "start_time": "23:23", "text": "So that's the reason." }, { "end_time": "23:32", "start_time": "23:24", "text": "But if I want to sum, summarize what, what, you want me to convey to the people who are watching, there are 2 concepts of naval warfare." }, { "end_time": "23:35", "start_time": "23:32", "text": "1 is called the sea control and one is called the sea denial." }, { "end_time": "23:39", "start_time": "23:35", "text": "Sea control is the medium of the sea which you are actually controlling effectively." }, { "end_time": "23:43", "start_time": "23:39", "text": "That means when aircraft carrier goes, it doesn't go alone." }, { "end_time": "23:45", "start_time": "23:43", "text": "It goes along with a tanker to fuel it." }, { "end_time": "23:48", "start_time": "23:45", "text": "It goes along with other escorts which could be destroyers, which could be frigates." }, { "end_time": "23:50", "start_time": "23:48", "text": "Now destroyers are warships." }, { "end_time": "23:53", "start_time": "23:50", "text": "And, of course, the destroyers are slightly bigger than the frigates." }, { "end_time": "23:54", "start_time": "23:53", "text": "And they got missile." }, { "end_time": "23:58", "start_time": "23:54", "text": "They got, you know, surface to surface missile to destroy the enemy ships." }, { "end_time": "24:03", "start_time": "23:58", "text": "They got surface to air missile to ensure that, any enemy aircraft or missile which is coming is destroyed." }, { "end_time": "24:06", "start_time": "24:04", "text": "So they and they are put in various, you know, various areas." }, { "end_time": "24:10", "start_time": "24:07", "text": "And there are various formations and formation also got a calculation." }, { "end_time": "24:11", "start_time": "24:10", "text": "So I don't want to bore people with that." }, { "end_time": "24:12", "start_time": "24:11", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "24:12", "start_time": "24:12", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "24:13", "start_time": "24:12", "text": "I I don't think anyone's getting those." }, { "end_time": "24:14", "start_time": "24:13", "text": "Calculations." }, { "end_time": "24:25", "start_time": "24:14", "text": "And then the calculation based on tactical situation, also the capability of the sensors, onboard sensors, sonar sensors, your other electronic warfare sensors, your radar sensors, and, of course, the range of your missiles." }, { "end_time": "24:33", "start_time": "24:25", "text": "So all this thing you so you have in the center, you have the main body and on the sides, put into the main body and also going to progress with the operation, you have the other vessels." }, { "end_time": "24:41", "start_time": "24:33", "text": "Now once we have that, it is said that when the US CBG carrier battle group is moving around, it sanitizes an area of 1,000 kilometers around it." }, { "end_time": "24:44", "start_time": "24:42", "text": "So that is called sea control." }, { "end_time": "24:46", "start_time": "24:44", "text": "Means anything we move in 1,000 kilometers can be prosecuted." }, { "end_time": "24:46", "start_time": "24:46", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "24:48", "start_time": "24:46", "text": "And positively identified destroyed." }, { "end_time": "24:49", "start_time": "24:48", "text": "So So people are scared." }, { "end_time": "24:53", "start_time": "24:49", "text": "So when he moves to an area, the whole leader with other one guess that he becomes the boss of the area." }, { "end_time": "24:59", "start_time": "24:54", "text": "Indian Navy has got a capability of more than 500 kilometers, 600 kilometers to control the entire area." }, { "end_time": "25:01", "start_time": "24:59", "text": "So that's called sea control." }, { "end_time": "25:08", "start_time": "25:01", "text": "Then there is something and so when you have sea control, then any of a trade can pass through it easily." }, { "end_time": "25:13", "start_time": "25:08", "text": "No other, no, enemy worship can actually tamper with it because you are having a sea control." }, { "end_time": "25:17", "start_time": "25:14", "text": "Now second concept is sea denial." }, { "end_time": "25:24", "start_time": "25:17", "text": "Sea denial is you deny the water body above you in a particular area to the enemy to use it or his enemy shipping to use it." }, { "end_time": "25:26", "start_time": "25:25", "text": "Like make it a red zone of sorts." }, { "end_time": "25:26", "start_time": "25:26", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "25:27", "start_time": "25:26", "text": "Red zone of sorts." }, { "end_time": "25:30", "start_time": "25:27", "text": "And that's not and the sea denial, the best platform is a submarine." }, { "end_time": "25:36", "start_time": "25:30", "text": "So when you have a submarine or nuclear submarine lurking underwater, it is the biggest threat, because, you know, the biggest threat." }, { "end_time": "25:36", "start_time": "25:36", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "25:42", "start_time": "25:36", "text": "Because it is very difficult to detect a submarine underwater because you have something called a sonar." }, { "end_time": "25:46", "start_time": "25:42", "text": "Sonar actually, you know, sound, navigation ranging." }, { "end_time": "25:49", "start_time": "25:46", "text": "So you actually, will actually emit some sound." }, { "end_time": "25:52", "start_time": "25:49", "text": "The sound goes and touches the object and come back." }, { "end_time": "25:59", "start_time": "25:52", "text": "And then with that, you can make out whether it's a You can it's a false target or it's actually a submarine or what is the size of submarine, all those kind of stuff." }, { "end_time": "26:00", "start_time": "25:59", "text": "You can draw out a picture of what's under you." }, { "end_time": "26:02", "start_time": "26:00", "text": "You can draw out a picture under you." }, { "end_time": "26:05", "start_time": "26:02", "text": "The problem is that the propagation of sound underwater is very complicated." }, { "end_time": "26:17", "start_time": "26:06", "text": "There is something called as the condition condition of, you know, what how saline the water is, how cold or hot the water is, what are the, you know, what are the, all they call the conditions, you know." }, { "end_time": "26:18", "start_time": "26:17", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "26:21", "start_time": "26:18", "text": "And then, so it's it's slightly complicated." }, { "end_time": "26:31", "start_time": "26:22", "text": "So, generally, what happens, a sonar, of a a warship sonar, may not pick up a submarine, but a submarine sonar can pick up the warship because he stays in passive." }, { "end_time": "26:31", "start_time": "26:31", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "26:33", "start_time": "26:31", "text": "Passive one, he can actually listen to the proper noise." }, { "end_time": "26:35", "start_time": "26:33", "text": "He can listen to the image noise of of his ship." }, { "end_time": "26:39", "start_time": "26:35", "text": "And if he's transporting through insoners, he can actually pick up." }, { "end_time": "26:39", "start_time": "26:39", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "26:41", "start_time": "26:39", "text": "Because he's in a better position." }, { "end_time": "26:41", "start_time": "26:41", "text": "Gotcha." }, { "end_time": "26:45", "start_time": "26:41", "text": "And he can pick up and then he comes and takes up a position, a proper and fires a torpedo." }, { "end_time": "26:51", "start_time": "26:45", "text": "If a torpedo hits a vessel, then the vessel doesn't survive." }, { "end_time": "26:53", "start_time": "26:51", "text": "That is the potential of a torpedo." }, { "end_time": "26:59", "start_time": "26:53", "text": "And that is why, submarines are the most potent platform and the most effective platform of doing a sea denial." }, { "end_time": "27:05", "start_time": "26:59", "text": "So when you say, my submarines are deployed here, the other way of sea denial is put mines, sea mines." }, { "end_time": "27:05", "start_time": "27:05", "text": "I just explained." }, { "end_time": "27:09", "start_time": "27:06", "text": "So you put sea mines and you say that or even declare a minefield." }, { "end_time": "27:22", "start_time": "27:09", "text": "As per the Geneva Convention, if you mine a particular area, you have to declare to everybody in the world because, unlike, a border issue where you've got people on this side and that side, there's a demarcation like football match." }, { "end_time": "27:24", "start_time": "27:22", "text": "You have, you know, this side and that side." }, { "end_time": "27:28", "start_time": "27:24", "text": "Villages on this side are actually pulled back and similar on the other side." }, { "end_time": "27:34", "start_time": "27:28", "text": "C is, is a global common in the sense key everybody moves on the sea." }, { "end_time": "27:36", "start_time": "27:34", "text": "Is the data shared with all of the world's navies?" }, { "end_time": "27:38", "start_time": "27:36", "text": "Not all of the world's navy." }, { "end_time": "27:39", "start_time": "27:38", "text": "Data is shared." }, { "end_time": "27:51", "start_time": "27:39", "text": "We got a we got an organization in Indian Navy where, almost all the data of the shipping, both Indian shipping merchant vessels or most of the countries, it it paints, you know, they're exactly positioned." }, { "end_time": "27:56", "start_time": "27:51", "text": "Last port of call, what they're carrying, passenger, crew list, and next port of call, where it is going." }, { "end_time": "27:57", "start_time": "27:56", "text": "Everything is recorded." }, { "end_time": "28:00", "start_time": "27:57", "text": "So we generally know exactly where our ships are, where they are." }, { "end_time": "28:06", "start_time": "28:00", "text": "Any one of them who who doesn't identify we can make out that this is now this may be an enemy thing." }, { "end_time": "28:11", "start_time": "28:06", "text": "Do you think that there's a lot of animals down there which are not discovered also?" }, { "end_time": "28:16", "start_time": "28:11", "text": "As well I'm concerned, being a clearance diver and being a marine commando, I have encountered jellyfish underwater." }, { "end_time": "28:18", "start_time": "28:16", "text": "I've seen a lot of fishes." }, { "end_time": "28:21", "start_time": "28:18", "text": "I've, groupers once groupers one fish I've seen." }, { "end_time": "28:23", "start_time": "28:21", "text": "I've seen, no." }, { "end_time": "28:25", "start_time": "28:23", "text": "I've seen, sea turtles." }, { "end_time": "28:27", "start_time": "28:25", "text": "I've seen a lot of other colored fish." }, { "end_time": "28:27", "start_time": "28:27", "text": "Sharks?" }, { "end_time": "28:29", "start_time": "28:27", "text": "Sharks, I've seen smaller ones, not a bigger ones." }, { "end_time": "28:30", "start_time": "28:29", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "28:37", "start_time": "28:30", "text": "When you're especially diving the island dives, and also the basic reefs if you see, where there you find." }, { "end_time": "28:38", "start_time": "28:37", "text": "And, of course, sea snakes." }, { "end_time": "28:39", "start_time": "28:39", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "28:43", "start_time": "28:40", "text": "What what's the animal that you're the most wary of when it's new?" }, { "end_time": "28:47", "start_time": "28:43", "text": "Actually, looks wise, it is, the moray eel because it looks deadly." }, { "end_time": "28:48", "start_time": "28:47", "text": "It looks like a reptile on underwater." }, { "end_time": "28:53", "start_time": "28:49", "text": "And it can actually confuse with, let's say, a crocodile or something because you also have sea sea crocodiles." }, { "end_time": "28:58", "start_time": "28:54", "text": "And in the Andaman Nicobar Islands, there was a time when there was, pegs Salties." }, { "end_time": "28:59", "start_time": "28:58", "text": "Salt salt water." }, { "end_time": "29:01", "start_time": "28:59", "text": "Actually, sea crocodiles." }, { "end_time": "29:05", "start_time": "29:02", "text": "They're they're significantly larger than land crocodiles." }, { "end_time": "29:06", "start_time": "29:05", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "29:07", "start_time": "29:06", "text": "As far as I know." }, { "end_time": "29:10", "start_time": "29:08", "text": "Like, I think any they're dangerous animals." }, { "end_time": "29:11", "start_time": "29:10", "text": "They are dangerous animals." }, { "end_time": "29:14", "start_time": "29:12", "text": "And of course, they hunt for food." }, { "end_time": "29:17", "start_time": "29:14", "text": "The sea snakes are the deadliest snakes in the world." }, { "end_time": "29:24", "start_time": "29:17", "text": "But the the beauty is that, there are very, very few known cases of a sea snake bite death." }, { "end_time": "29:32", "start_time": "29:24", "text": "Because you see Indian fishermen, they actually remove the sea snakes from the nets and just chuck it back to the into the water because they got small beaks and they are very shy." }, { "end_time": "29:33", "start_time": "29:32", "text": "They don't actually bite." }, { "end_time": "29:37", "start_time": "29:33", "text": "But if they bite somebody, then the guy is gone because there's no antidote for that." }, { "end_time": "29:39", "start_time": "29:37", "text": "Have you had interactions with crocodiles?" }, { "end_time": "29:47", "start_time": "29:39", "text": "Not with crocodiles, but I had close shares with with, Morayil and also with, the, you know, Portuguese manovar." }, { "end_time": "29:49", "start_time": "29:47", "text": "This is basically a jellyfish." }, { "end_time": "29:50", "start_time": "29:49", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "29:58", "start_time": "29:50", "text": "And jellyfish are actually dangerous because they go to tentacles and these tentacles have got, you know, small small, a pin sort of thing, which actually is like acts acts like an injection." }, { "end_time": "30:00", "start_time": "29:58", "text": "And they can inject poison into your body." }, { "end_time": "30:01", "start_time": "30:00", "text": "And you've been stung?" }, { "end_time": "30:08", "start_time": "30:01", "text": "I've been stung and, it was quite dangerous because, I was stung in when I was in part of the operation Pawan, we're deployed in Trinkumali harbor." }, { "end_time": "30:13", "start_time": "30:08", "text": "And all the naval washrooms to come and our job was to go underwater, search for any mines and all." }, { "end_time": "30:18", "start_time": "30:13", "text": "Because the easiest way to have maximum casualties to put a sea a small limpid mine under a war vessel." }, { "end_time": "30:26", "start_time": "30:18", "text": "And when the and and time it to a couple of hours when the ship is sailing with 600 passengers or soldiers, it just blast and the sick ship goes down." }, { "end_time": "30:33", "start_time": "30:26", "text": "So we used to ensure that before a ship comes alongside, we used to dive on the jetty and see if there any mine like of your mine." }, { "end_time": "30:35", "start_time": "30:33", "text": "If it is there, then we have to dispose it off." }, { "end_time": "30:38", "start_time": "30:35", "text": "Similarly, also on the onboard ship every 2, 3 hours, we used to come and do diving." }, { "end_time": "30:38", "start_time": "30:38", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "30:40", "start_time": "30:38", "text": "Now the waters are very clear in Trunkumaria." }, { "end_time": "30:44", "start_time": "30:40", "text": "You can actually throw a coin and see the coin at 20, 30 meters depth." }, { "end_time": "30:44", "start_time": "30:44", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "30:45", "start_time": "30:44", "text": "Is that clear?" }, { "end_time": "30:48", "start_time": "30:46", "text": "It's as clear as Lakshmi Islands." }, { "end_time": "30:48", "start_time": "30:48", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "30:50", "start_time": "30:48", "text": "And they're one of the good dive dive spots." }, { "end_time": "30:58", "start_time": "30:50", "text": "So there we should see, you know, a bunch of jellyfish with tentacles, you know, actually moving around to 2, 3 meters, extending 2, 3 meters long." }, { "end_time": "30:59", "start_time": "30:58", "text": "And we still avoid them." }, { "end_time": "31:00", "start_time": "30:59", "text": "But How big are they?" }, { "end_time": "31:01", "start_time": "31:00", "text": "Like, how big is the body?" }, { "end_time": "31:04", "start_time": "31:01", "text": "Jellyfish could be about, anything but smaller one to about half meters of 1." }, { "end_time": "31:07", "start_time": "31:04", "text": "I've seen a jellyfish which could be a diameter of 1 1 and a half meter." }, { "end_time": "31:08", "start_time": "31:07", "text": "More than this light." }, { "end_time": "31:11", "start_time": "31:08", "text": "And then this more than this light and then it comes towards you." }, { "end_time": "31:14", "start_time": "31:11", "text": "It can have tentacles which can be about 2, 3 meters." }, { "end_time": "31:17", "start_time": "31:14", "text": "And there's the tentacles are also moving so slowly." }, { "end_time": "31:18", "start_time": "31:17", "text": "You will not realize it." }, { "end_time": "31:29", "start_time": "31:18", "text": "And if you're like in my case, what happened, I was diving And when I came up, I saw the jellyfish and I was trying to maneuver myself, but then some of those, no, those tentacles got caught my my neck and my neck was exposed." }, { "end_time": "31:32", "start_time": "31:29", "text": "And, that sort of I had high fever for 2, 3 days." }, { "end_time": "31:34", "start_time": "31:32", "text": "Do you sense aggression from those?" }, { "end_time": "31:35", "start_time": "31:34", "text": "Not aggression." }, { "end_time": "31:40", "start_time": "31:36", "text": "I mean, it is just a, not that they are trying to harm us, but it's their domain, their medium, you know." }, { "end_time": "31:42", "start_time": "31:40", "text": "We are trying to interfere in their medium." }, { "end_time": "31:43", "start_time": "31:42", "text": "It's self protection." }, { "end_time": "31:44", "start_time": "31:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:44", "start_time": "31:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:45", "start_time": "31:44", "text": "Self protection." }, { "end_time": "31:51", "start_time": "31:45", "text": "Actually, underwater What did it feel like getting stung and like See, it was like a burning sensation and thereafter, like, it's a poison basically." }, { "end_time": "31:58", "start_time": "31:51", "text": "It's not very potentially it cannot cause a fatality in, in human beings, but it can really make you sick." }, { "end_time": "31:59", "start_time": "31:58", "text": "So sick for about 4, 5 days." }, { "end_time": "32:02", "start_time": "31:59", "text": "Like, it's like a strong bottle of oil free will have." }, { "end_time": "32:02", "start_time": "32:02", "text": "No?" }, { "end_time": "32:04", "start_time": "32:02", "text": "Continuous high temperature of 103, 104." }, { "end_time": "32:06", "start_time": "32:04", "text": "It remained for about 2, 3 days." }, { "end_time": "32:08", "start_time": "32:06", "text": "And then, of course, we put soda lime cocktail and all." }, { "end_time": "32:14", "start_time": "32:08", "text": "We put some other kind of, you know, some kind of, lotions and all which our our medical doctor gave us." }, { "end_time": "32:17", "start_time": "32:14", "text": "Is is it true that human urine is a Yes." }, { "end_time": "32:18", "start_time": "32:17", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "32:22", "start_time": "32:18", "text": "And actually, seawater is a antiseptic by itself." }, { "end_time": "32:25", "start_time": "32:22", "text": "So if you have any heavy cuts and all, you just go and dive in the sea, it becomes alright." }, { "end_time": "32:26", "start_time": "32:25", "text": "Healing is faster." }, { "end_time": "32:30", "start_time": "32:27", "text": "And of course, what you said about this, urine, urine has got a lot of benefits." }, { "end_time": "32:33", "start_time": "32:30", "text": "One of the benefit is this, and we do it, actually." }, { "end_time": "32:35", "start_time": "32:33", "text": "And did it actually help?" }, { "end_time": "32:36", "start_time": "32:35", "text": "I didn't put you urine." }, { "end_time": "32:36", "start_time": "32:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:38", "start_time": "32:36", "text": "I'm just saying that." }, { "end_time": "32:40", "start_time": "32:38", "text": "People do when, there's some cut in the leg and all." }, { "end_time": "32:41", "start_time": "32:40", "text": "Get done." }, { "end_time": "32:42", "start_time": "32:41", "text": "Repeat there and Got it." }, { "end_time": "32:45", "start_time": "32:43", "text": "It actually relieves you because it's hot." }, { "end_time": "32:50", "start_time": "32:45", "text": "Something very hot flowing around there and and you get a psychologically, is it gonna go alright?" }, { "end_time": "32:50", "start_time": "32:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:51", "start_time": "32:50", "text": "That way." }, { "end_time": "32:55", "start_time": "32:51", "text": "Just sharing a very, again, very urban, non adventurous perspective with you." }, { "end_time": "32:56", "start_time": "32:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:01", "start_time": "32:56", "text": "But, we had a recent trip to Dubai for the sake of YouTube vlogs." }, { "end_time": "33:04", "start_time": "33:01", "text": "Like, we were trying to, you know, get some experiences in." }, { "end_time": "33:12", "start_time": "33:04", "text": "Dubai Mall has this big aquarium where they allow you to actually dive with, really large sharks or you at least what is large in my perspective." }, { "end_time": "33:14", "start_time": "33:12", "text": "They would have been at least 6 and a half feet sharks." }, { "end_time": "33:19", "start_time": "33:15", "text": "They don't really come very very close to you." }, { "end_time": "33:20", "start_time": "33:19", "text": "As in they'll swim past you." }, { "end_time": "33:22", "start_time": "33:20", "text": "If you put your hand on, you'll be able to touch them." }, { "end_time": "33:22", "start_time": "33:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:25", "start_time": "33:23", "text": "You know, and there's lot of, what's it called?" }, { "end_time": "33:28", "start_time": "33:26", "text": "Not stingrays but manta rays." }, { "end_time": "33:29", "start_time": "33:28", "text": "Manta rays." }, { "end_time": "33:29", "start_time": "33:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:30", "start_time": "33:29", "text": "They're also dangerous." }, { "end_time": "33:30", "start_time": "33:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:35", "start_time": "33:30", "text": "Which will swim really close to you in that aquarium, which is very strange for someone." }, { "end_time": "33:36", "start_time": "33:35", "text": "Like, I'm not even a trained divergent." }, { "end_time": "33:39", "start_time": "33:36", "text": "I've actually encountered, but not in a dangerous manner." }, { "end_time": "33:41", "start_time": "33:39", "text": "I've seen it swimming past us in Agang Leshwari Islands." }, { "end_time": "33:42", "start_time": "33:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:47", "start_time": "33:42", "text": "I remember telling my, my buddy, who's also my cofounder, we had decided to do this experience." }, { "end_time": "33:48", "start_time": "33:47", "text": "He was very up for it." }, { "end_time": "33:51", "start_time": "33:48", "text": "I was scared because I have this fear of, like, sharks." }, { "end_time": "33:52", "start_time": "33:51", "text": "And he said that, no." }, { "end_time": "33:52", "start_time": "33:52", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "33:53", "start_time": "33:52", "text": "Let's do it." }, { "end_time": "33:54", "start_time": "33:53", "text": "It'll be a life experience." }, { "end_time": "34:00", "start_time": "33:54", "text": "Once we actually got in so I'm I'm I'm a trained swimmer, and I was very comfortable in the water." }, { "end_time": "34:07", "start_time": "34:00", "text": "These animals were swimming past, and the energy I sense from them was honestly a little sad when they were in that aquarium." }, { "end_time": "34:10", "start_time": "34:07", "text": "I think they were very aware about the fact that they're not in the open ocean." }, { "end_time": "34:10", "start_time": "34:10", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "34:15", "start_time": "34:10", "text": "So I sense, like, a little I don't wanna say sad energy, but a little like, oh, look at us." }, { "end_time": "34:16", "start_time": "34:15", "text": "We're, like, you know, we're stuck here." }, { "end_time": "34:18", "start_time": "34:16", "text": "It was, like, kinda like that energy." }, { "end_time": "34:19", "start_time": "34:18", "text": "I'm a little lazy." }, { "end_time": "34:23", "start_time": "34:19", "text": "And I confirmed it with a, European friend of mine who dives active in." }, { "end_time": "34:27", "start_time": "34:23", "text": "They said that, yeah, the animals are behaving different from the animals we see out there in the ocean." }, { "end_time": "34:27", "start_time": "34:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:32", "start_time": "34:28", "text": "My question to you is what is the energy and the vibe of, like, the animals that you encounter?" }, { "end_time": "34:34", "start_time": "34:32", "text": "Like, are they in their own zones?" }, { "end_time": "34:35", "start_time": "34:34", "text": "Are they aggressive?" }, { "end_time": "34:37", "start_time": "34:35", "text": "Are they just living life and, like, exploratory?" }, { "end_time": "34:42", "start_time": "34:38", "text": "See, I'm I'm not into research on this subject but whatever I've read." }, { "end_time": "34:44", "start_time": "34:42", "text": "See, it is very simple." }, { "end_time": "34:48", "start_time": "34:44", "text": "If it is not your food, then why will the person try to that that animal try to attack you?" }, { "end_time": "34:50", "start_time": "34:48", "text": "That's number one thing." }, { "end_time": "34:52", "start_time": "34:50", "text": "They all are domain specific animals." }, { "end_time": "34:54", "start_time": "34:52", "text": "So anybody intrudes, it's an intruder." }, { "end_time": "34:56", "start_time": "34:55", "text": "An intruder is like a trespasser." }, { "end_time": "34:57", "start_time": "34:56", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "35:01", "start_time": "34:57", "text": "So obviously, the he's threatened more than that that animal is threatened more than you are threatened." }, { "end_time": "35:07", "start_time": "35:02", "text": "So now but the third and more important thing is that they can sense whether you are scared or not." }, { "end_time": "35:09", "start_time": "35:07", "text": "The electrical impulse of your What about impulse?" }, { "end_time": "35:09", "start_time": "35:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:15", "start_time": "35:09", "text": "If if they can sense like they say, if you if a shark encounters you I mean, they told us to they should tell us but no." }, { "end_time": "35:20", "start_time": "35:15", "text": "We should just feel the I mean, if a shark if a shark encounters you, users stay there." }, { "end_time": "35:21", "start_time": "35:20", "text": "Don't try to swim away." }, { "end_time": "35:23", "start_time": "35:21", "text": "Stay there next to the shark." }, { "end_time": "35:29", "start_time": "35:23", "text": "Because invariably what happens, seals and the turtles are the, food of sharks." }, { "end_time": "35:36", "start_time": "35:29", "text": "When a diver when a person swimming on surface and a diver diving underwater, these silhouette is like, those animals." }, { "end_time": "35:37", "start_time": "35:36", "text": "So shark cannot differentiate." }, { "end_time": "35:40", "start_time": "35:37", "text": "That's why and if it's hungry, the shark is hungry, it didn't go and attack." }, { "end_time": "35:41", "start_time": "35:40", "text": "And it doesn't attack singularly." }, { "end_time": "35:45", "start_time": "35:41", "text": "You know, it's like, you know, feeding frenzy is there where more than one shark is there." }, { "end_time": "35:53", "start_time": "35:46", "text": "But, it is said that, any animal, if he senses that you are scared, he'll try to make you scare more." }, { "end_time": "35:55", "start_time": "35:53", "text": "You see this even with city dogs?" }, { "end_time": "35:55", "start_time": "35:55", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "35:59", "start_time": "35:55", "text": "People who are just afraid of dogs and they kind of act like the dog will actually come up and try to scare." }, { "end_time": "36:10", "start_time": "35:59", "text": "So while I'm not a, you know, analyst psychological analyst of animals, but I can I can just relate to what I've read about, animals in on ground to the setting underwater?" }, { "end_time": "36:10", "start_time": "36:10", "text": "Have you done that?" }, { "end_time": "36:14", "start_time": "36:10", "text": "Have you been in a situation where you had to stand an animal in the eye and just tell the animal to back off?" }, { "end_time": "36:15", "start_time": "36:14", "text": "With dogs, yes." }, { "end_time": "36:17", "start_time": "36:16", "text": "In underwater?" }, { "end_time": "36:20", "start_time": "36:17", "text": "Underwater underwater moray, yes." }, { "end_time": "36:23", "start_time": "36:20", "text": "Once it happened, you know I mean, we did 10 days diving camp." }, { "end_time": "36:24", "start_time": "36:23", "text": "So this was one of the encounters." }, { "end_time": "36:25", "start_time": "36:24", "text": "We had many more encounters." }, { "end_time": "36:30", "start_time": "36:25", "text": "So now we knew that, you know, if you moray looking at you, we'll look at him, but not from very close." }, { "end_time": "36:32", "start_time": "36:30", "text": "And we are not adventure seekers, you know." }, { "end_time": "36:33", "start_time": "36:32", "text": "We are doing our own business." }, { "end_time": "36:34", "start_time": "36:33", "text": "We're actually doing training." }, { "end_time": "36:43", "start_time": "36:35", "text": "And so it's invariably seen that, when you lock your eyes with the other person or with an animal, there is some amount of stillness." }, { "end_time": "36:51", "start_time": "36:44", "text": "And, then as you've seen a lot of, national geographic also, they shark or somehow somewhere away or something or somewhere away." }, { "end_time": "36:55", "start_time": "36:51", "text": "So I my experience is only 1, but I think, it does play a role." }, { "end_time": "36:58", "start_time": "36:55", "text": "Your psychological things does play a role." }, { "end_time": "37:00", "start_time": "36:58", "text": "You need to tell the animal who the predator is." }, { "end_time": "37:01", "start_time": "37:00", "text": "Who the predator is." }, { "end_time": "37:06", "start_time": "37:01", "text": "Oh, you tell them, look, I'm actually I I'm not in any way trying to harm you." }, { "end_time": "37:07", "start_time": "37:06", "text": "Something like that." }, { "end_time": "37:09", "start_time": "37:07", "text": "What's the biggest thing you saw in the water?" }, { "end_time": "37:11", "start_time": "37:09", "text": "The biggest thing I saw in the water is, manthare." }, { "end_time": "37:12", "start_time": "37:12", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "37:13", "start_time": "37:12", "text": "Manthare is pretty big." }, { "end_time": "37:14", "start_time": "37:13", "text": "The tail was very long." }, { "end_time": "37:17", "start_time": "37:14", "text": "I I thought Manthare is playful, but they're not." }, { "end_time": "37:18", "start_time": "37:17", "text": "Why did you think they're playful?" }, { "end_time": "37:27", "start_time": "37:18", "text": "I because, you know, actually, psychologically, you know, Manthare, the the designer I mean, the way it is shaped, I feel like it's it's a elephant, ears, you know." }, { "end_time": "37:33", "start_time": "37:27", "text": "It's it's like the equivalent of thinking hippos are cute and then you find out that the they're responsible for the most human." }, { "end_time": "37:35", "start_time": "37:33", "text": "Actually, hippos are the most dangerous animals." }, { "end_time": "37:35", "start_time": "37:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "37:42", "start_time": "37:35", "text": "And we always thought hippo dimes because, you know, whatever you see in comics, it gets on into your into your psyche and you feel the hippos are." }, { "end_time": "37:49", "start_time": "37:42", "text": "But when you read about it, they've got as you rightly say, the maximum human deaths have been caused in the Nile region, you know, because of hippos." }, { "end_time": "37:52", "start_time": "37:49", "text": "Have you had any operations near Africa?" }, { "end_time": "37:56", "start_time": "37:52", "text": "Or like we have Not me, but my our teams have gone to Somalia those days." }, { "end_time": "38:00", "start_time": "37:58", "text": "Not otherwise any other place." }, { "end_time": "38:00", "start_time": "38:00", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "38:10", "start_time": "38:00", "text": "See, India is not, a country which is given to, you know, participating in all kind of expeditionary warfare or we don't even side with any other country." }, { "end_time": "38:13", "start_time": "38:11", "text": "We only work when there's a UN mandate." }, { "end_time": "38:18", "start_time": "38:13", "text": "Without UN mandate, we don't form, we don't code or cooperate with any other country for doing any operation." }, { "end_time": "38:21", "start_time": "38:19", "text": "Have you been in hand to hand combat situations?" }, { "end_time": "38:27", "start_time": "38:21", "text": "I've not been to hand to hand, but I've caught a terrorist who just put a sign in in my hand when I was holding him." }, { "end_time": "38:33", "start_time": "38:28", "text": "And, for the first time in my life, you know, the LTT guys, they have a, cyanide capsule hanging in the neck." }, { "end_time": "38:37", "start_time": "38:34", "text": "So he was being winced down from the helicopter, and I was with my AK 47." }, { "end_time": "38:41", "start_time": "38:38", "text": "And the the moment he, bit the sign, I realized he's also LTT." }, { "end_time": "38:45", "start_time": "38:42", "text": "He did not, that time he must have escaped." }, { "end_time": "38:46", "start_time": "38:45", "text": "How long does it take to kick him?" }, { "end_time": "38:47", "start_time": "38:46", "text": "About 45 seconds." }, { "end_time": "38:52", "start_time": "38:47", "text": "And he just fell down, a 6 foot guy, handsome guy, and muscular chap and he just like a fish out of water." }, { "end_time": "38:54", "start_time": "38:52", "text": "He reached for about 45 seconds." }, { "end_time": "38:55", "start_time": "38:54", "text": "Some kind of froth came out." }, { "end_time": "38:57", "start_time": "38:55", "text": "1 of my sailors was a medical medic." }, { "end_time": "39:00", "start_time": "38:57", "text": "He actually tried to jump and give him mouth to mouth association." }, { "end_time": "39:02", "start_time": "39:01", "text": "I said, what the hell is this?" }, { "end_time": "39:02", "start_time": "39:02", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "39:11", "start_time": "39:02", "text": "He goes with the so I mean, see what happens, people in the armed forces are not criminal back minded people." }, { "end_time": "39:12", "start_time": "39:11", "text": "We are normal human beings." }, { "end_time": "39:13", "start_time": "39:12", "text": "We respect each other." }, { "end_time": "39:17", "start_time": "39:14", "text": "We fire at somebody because you know that if you don't fire at somebody, he's gonna kill you." }, { "end_time": "39:22", "start_time": "39:18", "text": "So but when you see a person lying like this, he's unarmed and just like that." }, { "end_time": "39:24", "start_time": "39:22", "text": "The tendency for you is to help him." }, { "end_time": "39:28", "start_time": "39:24", "text": "So I guess that is the reason we drove the sailor to try to help him." }, { "end_time": "39:32", "start_time": "39:28", "text": "But of course, better sense prevailed and we were there and we pulled him out." }, { "end_time": "39:33", "start_time": "39:32", "text": "That was my first encounter with death." }, { "end_time": "39:35", "start_time": "39:33", "text": "I've never seen before that." }, { "end_time": "39:36", "start_time": "39:35", "text": "How old were you?" }, { "end_time": "39:38", "start_time": "39:36", "text": "I was just about 28." }, { "end_time": "39:40", "start_time": "39:39", "text": "28, 29." }, { "end_time": "39:41", "start_time": "39:40", "text": "Just out of my marine commando corps." }, { "end_time": "39:44", "start_time": "39:41", "text": "Perhaps if I had not done my marine commando corps, I would have been shattered actually." }, { "end_time": "39:52", "start_time": "39:45", "text": "But after you do a marine command of course, they they simulate situations where they take you in near that situation, you know, in the training itself." }, { "end_time": "39:53", "start_time": "39:52", "text": "So you get more hardened." }, { "end_time": "39:55", "start_time": "39:53", "text": "Are you comfortable sharing what the near that situation is?" }, { "end_time": "39:59", "start_time": "39:55", "text": "In the sense that, there is something called as a hell beak, which they do." }, { "end_time": "40:02", "start_time": "39:59", "text": "They, you know, they make you float and with your hands and leg tied." }, { "end_time": "40:05", "start_time": "40:03", "text": "One part of other training, not the hell week." }, { "end_time": "40:08", "start_time": "40:05", "text": "Hell week is I mean, if you can Google it, you can find out what is hell week." }, { "end_time": "40:12", "start_time": "40:08", "text": "It's actually 96 hours of nonstop, no sleep, physical regime." }, { "end_time": "40:13", "start_time": "40:12", "text": "96 hours." }, { "end_time": "40:16", "start_time": "40:14", "text": "You don't sleep for not a wink also." }, { "end_time": "40:21", "start_time": "40:16", "text": "They give you only 1, 2 hours in the morning to go shave and do your morning routines and wear a new dungri income." }, { "end_time": "40:23", "start_time": "40:21", "text": "And again, continue with the training." }, { "end_time": "40:27", "start_time": "40:23", "text": "Lifting up logs and swimming, long distance swimming, firing, doing obstacle course." }, { "end_time": "40:31", "start_time": "40:28", "text": "This continues for 96 hours without a breather." }, { "end_time": "40:33", "start_time": "40:31", "text": "You only get food thrice in a day." }, { "end_time": "40:34", "start_time": "40:33", "text": "Do you get plenty of water?" }, { "end_time": "40:35", "start_time": "40:34", "text": "Do you not hallucinate?" }, { "end_time": "40:40", "start_time": "40:37", "text": "See, it doesn't happen in the initial part of the course." }, { "end_time": "40:42", "start_time": "40:40", "text": "It happens somewhere in the middle or end part of the course." }, { "end_time": "40:44", "start_time": "40:42", "text": "So by which time the people got used to it." }, { "end_time": "40:45", "start_time": "40:44", "text": "Human body is very malleable, you know." }, { "end_time": "40:48", "start_time": "40:45", "text": "We can actually and everything is mental, you know." }, { "end_time": "40:54", "start_time": "40:48", "text": "You need to have a basic, you know, level of physical fitness." }, { "end_time": "40:56", "start_time": "40:54", "text": "Thereafter, it's all mental." }, { "end_time": "40:58", "start_time": "40:56", "text": "So you there are people who get hallucinated." }, { "end_time": "40:59", "start_time": "40:58", "text": "There are people and they give up also." }, { "end_time": "41:03", "start_time": "41:00", "text": "But I've not seen very many people giving up in the money commandment at least." }, { "end_time": "41:04", "start_time": "41:03", "text": "Why didn't you give up?" }, { "end_time": "41:08", "start_time": "41:05", "text": "I didn't give up because I didn't have the feeling of giving up." }, { "end_time": "41:09", "start_time": "41:08", "text": "You were just in a flow." }, { "end_time": "41:12", "start_time": "41:09", "text": "And, you know, in our, hell week was not that organized." }, { "end_time": "41:16", "start_time": "41:13", "text": "So I guess the hell week which happened now is much more stringent." }, { "end_time": "41:19", "start_time": "41:16", "text": "We were having, I would say, the casual version of the hell week." }, { "end_time": "41:20", "start_time": "41:19", "text": "We had a different hell week." }, { "end_time": "41:22", "start_time": "41:20", "text": "18 hours of diving underwater." }, { "end_time": "41:24", "start_time": "41:23", "text": "That is dangerous actually." }, { "end_time": "41:28", "start_time": "41:25", "text": "It is it is it's actually they just for the body." }, { "end_time": "41:29", "start_time": "41:28", "text": "But it saps you." }, { "end_time": "41:32", "start_time": "41:29", "text": "1 hour of diving is equal to 8 hours of physical labor on on surface." }, { "end_time": "41:33", "start_time": "41:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "41:39", "start_time": "41:33", "text": "So that's it saps you, but then in the body, there with so much of training you do, you get used to this thing." }, { "end_time": "41:44", "start_time": "41:39", "text": "And let me also tell you the people who volunteer with this course have decided that we will do this." }, { "end_time": "41:46", "start_time": "41:44", "text": "They visualize what they want to become." }, { "end_time": "41:49", "start_time": "41:46", "text": "And then and and some also a glamour factor for youngsters." }, { "end_time": "41:51", "start_time": "41:49", "text": "There are all glamour factor attached to it." }, { "end_time": "41:52", "start_time": "41:51", "text": "You will do skydiving." }, { "end_time": "41:53", "start_time": "41:52", "text": "You will do paratrooping." }, { "end_time": "41:54", "start_time": "41:53", "text": "You will do karate." }, { "end_time": "41:55", "start_time": "41:54", "text": "You will fire with weapons and all." }, { "end_time": "42:00", "start_time": "41:55", "text": "We used to roll and fire and, you know, roll back and fire pistol and all." }, { "end_time": "42:02", "start_time": "42:00", "text": "Then we have something called room intervention drill." }, { "end_time": "42:04", "start_time": "42:02", "text": "I'm just giving a random shot of training." }, { "end_time": "42:10", "start_time": "42:05", "text": "So room intervention is basically you're simulating a situation where how do you, do hostess rescue." }, { "end_time": "42:12", "start_time": "42:10", "text": "So there there there are mud walls." }, { "end_time": "42:13", "start_time": "42:12", "text": "They made mud, 7, 8 rooms." }, { "end_time": "42:16", "start_time": "42:13", "text": "They made a very complicated structure with the 1st floor and all." }, { "end_time": "42:18", "start_time": "42:16", "text": "And they put cutouts of 2 heads, you know." }, { "end_time": "42:20", "start_time": "42:19", "text": "1 is red and 1 is green." }, { "end_time": "42:22", "start_time": "42:21", "text": "Now they give you 12 seconds." }, { "end_time": "42:28", "start_time": "42:22", "text": "You do you but you are to go inside with a fixed 6, commandos and the 6 buddies with total 12." }, { "end_time": "42:32", "start_time": "42:28", "text": "And you do sanitize these and everything in a matter of 12 to 14 seconds." }, { "end_time": "42:38", "start_time": "42:32", "text": "So you look get inside, kick the door open, see the target and you are to hit and both the shots." }, { "end_time": "42:42", "start_time": "42:38", "text": "Because the calculation is that in 4 second you have to hit 2 shots." }, { "end_time": "42:47", "start_time": "42:42", "text": "Because when people get startled, they remain startled for 4 seconds." }, { "end_time": "42:50", "start_time": "42:47", "text": "After that, they get the sense and then they can react." }, { "end_time": "42:53", "start_time": "42:51", "text": "So within that period of 4 second, you have to fight 2 shots." }, { "end_time": "42:57", "start_time": "42:54", "text": "And we have trained to such a level that both the shot has to be head shot." }, { "end_time": "43:02", "start_time": "42:57", "text": "That means the green and red cut out, there should not be any, holes in the green." }, { "end_time": "43:03", "start_time": "43:02", "text": "You'll fail." }, { "end_time": "43:06", "start_time": "43:03", "text": "And here the past person is in 95% shooting." }, { "end_time": "43:10", "start_time": "43:07", "text": "And you have cross shooting and all, you know, people shooting from there." }, { "end_time": "43:11", "start_time": "43:10", "text": "You're shooting on this." }, { "end_time": "43:17", "start_time": "43:11", "text": "It's a situation where if if you do a mistake, probably some kind of guy can actually have collateral damage." }, { "end_time": "43:18", "start_time": "43:17", "text": "Even in training?" }, { "end_time": "43:18", "start_time": "43:18", "text": "Even in training." }, { "end_time": "43:20", "start_time": "43:19", "text": "And then you have night exercises." }, { "end_time": "43:23", "start_time": "43:21", "text": "Actually, we'll do sleeping, grappling, we'll do parallel." }, { "end_time": "43:24", "start_time": "43:23", "text": "They're all high risk, activities." }, { "end_time": "43:26", "start_time": "43:24", "text": "You're diving underwater." }, { "end_time": "43:28", "start_time": "43:26", "text": "At night, we're diving underwater." }, { "end_time": "43:31", "start_time": "43:28", "text": "And, so the animals you talked about, so many of them are dangerous." }, { "end_time": "43:32", "start_time": "43:31", "text": "It becomes more dangerous." }, { "end_time": "43:33", "start_time": "43:32", "text": "It becomes more dangerous." }, { "end_time": "43:37", "start_time": "43:33", "text": "But, you know, the funny part is the best part is when you're doing training, you don't feel like this." }, { "end_time": "43:39", "start_time": "43:37", "text": "You never feel an element of risk or apprehension." }, { "end_time": "43:40", "start_time": "43:40", "text": "You feel guilty." }, { "end_time": "43:41", "start_time": "43:40", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "43:45", "start_time": "43:41", "text": "Because you have faith on the way the training is being conducted, number 1." }, { "end_time": "43:50", "start_time": "43:45", "text": "Number 2, you have tremendous amount of faith on the instructors because they are very well trained." }, { "end_time": "43:54", "start_time": "43:50", "text": "Number 3, you have actually a lot of confidence, self confidence on yourself." }, { "end_time": "43:55", "start_time": "43:54", "text": "And number 4, on your buddy." }, { "end_time": "43:58", "start_time": "43:56", "text": "This 4 combination is a very deadly and potent combination." }, { "end_time": "44:00", "start_time": "43:58", "text": "It holds you in very good state." }, { "end_time": "44:04", "start_time": "44:00", "text": "You mentioned that if you hadn't gone through hell week, you wouldn't have been able to deal with death." }, { "end_time": "44:07", "start_time": "44:04", "text": "In the sense that, not only hell week, the entire course." }, { "end_time": "44:10", "start_time": "44:08", "text": "It actually says they're all building blocks." }, { "end_time": "44:12", "start_time": "44:11", "text": "They're all building blocks." }, { "end_time": "44:18", "start_time": "44:12", "text": "So once, those things happen, then you know that, amongst the armed forces people, you are a niche and elite force." }, { "end_time": "44:20", "start_time": "44:18", "text": "Your cutting edge has to be maintained." }, { "end_time": "44:23", "start_time": "44:20", "text": "You'll be the 1st to go in and we're not the 1st to come out." }, { "end_time": "44:25", "start_time": "44:23", "text": "So you have that kind of aura in you, you know." }, { "end_time": "44:27", "start_time": "44:25", "text": "So then you psych yourself mentally." }, { "end_time": "44:34", "start_time": "44:28", "text": "That look, I'm the best and, I the government of India expects a lot of things for me as they may not be expecting for other people." }, { "end_time": "44:38", "start_time": "44:34", "text": "So the aspect of being fearful, being scared is actually redundant." }, { "end_time": "44:39", "start_time": "44:38", "text": "It doesn't come only." }, { "end_time": "44:42", "start_time": "44:40", "text": "In any case, if you're fearful, it is a good emotion." }, { "end_time": "44:51", "start_time": "44:42", "text": "Because if you're fearful then then you be, start planning and, you know, thinking in a in a more more analyzing the thing much better." }, { "end_time": "44:55", "start_time": "44:51", "text": "And that helps in, safety and security of you and your, people." }, { "end_time": "44:56", "start_time": "44:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:03", "start_time": "44:57", "text": "While I have countless more questions, there's some questions I'm saving for a Hindi episode as well." }, { "end_time": "45:03", "start_time": "45:03", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "45:08", "start_time": "45:03", "text": "But before we begin that one, sir, I have one last phase of this particular episode Okay." }, { "end_time": "45:10", "start_time": "45:08", "text": "Which is related to 2611." }, { "end_time": "45:11", "start_time": "45:11", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "45:17", "start_time": "45:12", "text": "You know, it's a topic that the English audiences have wondered more about since we did an episode with D." }, { "end_time": "45:18", "start_time": "45:17", "text": "Sheva Nandan Yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:21", "start_time": "45:19", "text": "Who was actually the strategist post 26/11." }, { "end_time": "45:23", "start_time": "45:21", "text": "He made Mumbai a safer place." }, { "end_time": "45:28", "start_time": "45:23", "text": "Now you were involved in that operation in some capacity while it was happening." }, { "end_time": "45:36", "start_time": "45:29", "text": "Are you comfortable narrating aspects of it through your own That I can do because it's an operation which is open domain so I can actually do." }, { "end_time": "45:38", "start_time": "45:36", "text": "On, in October, today, October, we came to Bombay." }, { "end_time": "45:44", "start_time": "45:38", "text": "I was, I got a, a prestigious appointment as a directing staff in Naval War College." }, { "end_time": "45:48", "start_time": "45:44", "text": "Now direct staff is like you are a teacher in a war college." }, { "end_time": "45:52", "start_time": "45:48", "text": "And the naval war college, there are captains who are captain is naval captain is equal to army colonels." }, { "end_time": "45:57", "start_time": "45:52", "text": "They're all about 42, 43 years old guys bubbling with energy and intelligence level is high." }, { "end_time": "46:00", "start_time": "45:57", "text": "And you are now trying to manage them as an instructor." }, { "end_time": "46:02", "start_time": "46:00", "text": "So it's a it's a prestigious appointment." }, { "end_time": "46:08", "start_time": "46:03", "text": "And, co located, to our war college was the, the biggest marine commando unit in the Indian Navy." }, { "end_time": "46:12", "start_time": "46:09", "text": "So next month, November, this thing happened." }, { "end_time": "46:21", "start_time": "46:12", "text": "So when, when, what happens, you know, the any marine commando unit any armed force unit has got something called a QRT, Cook Reaction Team, which is standby." }, { "end_time": "46:29", "start_time": "46:21", "text": "Marine commando has got, a few, elements called the prahas, which are always ready to move in half an hour for any to meet any contingency." }, { "end_time": "46:33", "start_time": "46:29", "text": "So they had about a couple of people who are ready at any point in time." }, { "end_time": "46:36", "start_time": "46:33", "text": "That day on 26th, 28th was November was a birthday." }, { "end_time": "46:40", "start_time": "46:36", "text": "On 26th, we suddenly switched on the TV around 9 o'clock." }, { "end_time": "46:46", "start_time": "46:40", "text": "We found there's some something happening in Taj and something happened in Sayan Hospital and also in the in the BT station." }, { "end_time": "46:47", "start_time": "46:46", "text": "BT station, I think." }, { "end_time": "46:47", "start_time": "46:47", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:48", "start_time": "46:47", "text": "BT station." }, { "end_time": "46:52", "start_time": "46:48", "text": "So people thought it could be a gang war or some kind of things." }, { "end_time": "46:58", "start_time": "46:52", "text": "But, later on as things, unfolded, they realized it is a bit more than the gang war." }, { "end_time": "47:00", "start_time": "46:58", "text": "What was your first gut feeling?" }, { "end_time": "47:04", "start_time": "47:00", "text": "My gut feeling was that we should be ready and, and and, and deploy." }, { "end_time": "47:09", "start_time": "47:04", "text": "At around, 11:30 or 12, we were told that, and our guys were there." }, { "end_time": "47:16", "start_time": "47:09", "text": "They saw they they all guys came to the unit, and you surprisingly, some, some retired marine commando sailors who also stay in the same area." }, { "end_time": "47:19", "start_time": "47:17", "text": "They all reported to the unit, k, sir." }, { "end_time": "47:20", "start_time": "47:19", "text": "Now we've just been out for 1 year." }, { "end_time": "47:21", "start_time": "47:20", "text": "We are still in date." }, { "end_time": "47:23", "start_time": "47:21", "text": "We can do firing and all." }, { "end_time": "47:25", "start_time": "47:23", "text": "If there is any requirement, we are available." }, { "end_time": "47:25", "start_time": "47:25", "text": "Civilians." }, { "end_time": "47:27", "start_time": "47:25", "text": "Marine Corps ex Marine Corps of civilians." }, { "end_time": "47:30", "start_time": "47:27", "text": "Imagine the imagine the enthusiasm." }, { "end_time": "47:32", "start_time": "47:30", "text": "Anyway, we wouldn't have taken them, but they were there." }, { "end_time": "47:38", "start_time": "47:33", "text": "Then our teams were mobilized without knowing head and tail of what is happening." }, { "end_time": "47:44", "start_time": "47:39", "text": "At around 12:30 at night, they reached Mumbai and Taj, there was a lot of chaos there." }, { "end_time": "47:46", "start_time": "47:44", "text": "And the team were told to enter." }, { "end_time": "47:47", "start_time": "47:46", "text": "So teams entered." }, { "end_time": "47:53", "start_time": "47:47", "text": "They entered and, you know, the ground floor of the Taj was all chaos, mayhem, lot of people dead, you know." }, { "end_time": "47:56", "start_time": "47:53", "text": "All those people who've seen pastry and all, those kind of people lying dead." }, { "end_time": "47:59", "start_time": "47:56", "text": "Some people actually very seriously injured and all." }, { "end_time": "48:01", "start_time": "47:59", "text": "So it startles people, you know." }, { "end_time": "48:06", "start_time": "48:01", "text": "Young Marcos who have never been to a 5 star because you can't afford to go to faster like this." }, { "end_time": "48:08", "start_time": "48:06", "text": "Never you don't even know the layout of the place." }, { "end_time": "48:09", "start_time": "48:08", "text": "You don't know anything about the place." }, { "end_time": "48:12", "start_time": "48:09", "text": "You don't even know what the situation, how is the situation evolving." }, { "end_time": "48:17", "start_time": "48:12", "text": "But you just went because you were told to go because it was it became like a, no situation critical." }, { "end_time": "48:19", "start_time": "48:17", "text": "So you have to do something." }, { "end_time": "48:23", "start_time": "48:19", "text": "The other people are not coming inside because obviously, you know, they're not trained for it." }, { "end_time": "48:28", "start_time": "48:23", "text": "So our guys went inside and, they started clearing every each and every room." }, { "end_time": "48:31", "start_time": "48:28", "text": "So they were able to, save a lot of people and escort them back." }, { "end_time": "48:40", "start_time": "48:32", "text": "The people who were dead were lying there because there's no point because you can actually, you know, you have to see who's the people who can be actually, you know, retrieved and they can still live." }, { "end_time": "48:50", "start_time": "48:40", "text": "And like that they went, I think in couple of I thought 3rd or 4th 4, at night, they were trying to then the good part is the Taj Hotel staff were very brave." }, { "end_time": "48:52", "start_time": "48:50", "text": "They were accompanying the Marine Commando units." }, { "end_time": "48:54", "start_time": "48:53", "text": "And later on also the energy." }, { "end_time": "48:56", "start_time": "48:54", "text": "They were very helpful." }, { "end_time": "48:58", "start_time": "48:56", "text": "They were not scared, but they knew the layout." }, { "end_time": "49:00", "start_time": "48:58", "text": "So they were they were with these teams." }, { "end_time": "49:08", "start_time": "49:00", "text": "So they went to they were told that in the in the conference room there is, there is some report of of some terrorist." }, { "end_time": "49:15", "start_time": "49:09", "text": "And, so these guys went and outside there was light." }, { "end_time": "49:17", "start_time": "49:15", "text": "Inside was dark." }, { "end_time": "49:18", "start_time": "49:17", "text": "So they opened the door." }, { "end_time": "49:22", "start_time": "49:19", "text": "The moment you open the door, the light from outside went inside." }, { "end_time": "49:28", "start_time": "49:23", "text": "So, unknowingly to them, there were 3 or 4 terrorists inside the room." }, { "end_time": "49:30", "start_time": "49:28", "text": "They had done initial killing initially." }, { "end_time": "49:33", "start_time": "49:30", "text": "They're after they're trying to recuperate before they start the next phase of operation." }, { "end_time": "49:37", "start_time": "49:34", "text": "So they suddenly found somebody coming inside." }, { "end_time": "49:43", "start_time": "49:37", "text": "And the moment one of my, the commando sailor went inside and obviously, there's a drill by which you go inside." }, { "end_time": "49:45", "start_time": "49:44", "text": "So we we follow buddy pairs." }, { "end_time": "49:49", "start_time": "49:45", "text": "1 guy went in, the second guy was outside and the other 5, 6 people are lined up behind." }, { "end_time": "49:56", "start_time": "49:49", "text": "He heard a cocking of AK 47 and he realized they are under grief because there is somebody who's cocking a 47." }, { "end_time": "49:58", "start_time": "49:56", "text": "We were using MP fives." }, { "end_time": "50:02", "start_time": "49:58", "text": "So there's a distinct noise of MP 5 cocking and AK 47 cocking." }, { "end_time": "50:06", "start_time": "50:03", "text": "And then there was a volley of fire from the other side." }, { "end_time": "50:12", "start_time": "50:07", "text": "And this guy got hit somewhere in his, this, this part and also in his clavicle." }, { "end_time": "50:14", "start_time": "50:12", "text": "Fortunately, not fatal." }, { "end_time": "50:15", "start_time": "50:14", "text": "And he just slammed down." }, { "end_time": "50:22", "start_time": "50:16", "text": "When that happened, the other guys told not to come inside the room because then it would have been problem because now they are in a advantageous position." }, { "end_time": "50:26", "start_time": "50:22", "text": "They can see with this light behind you, and they can actually take a pot shot." }, { "end_time": "50:27", "start_time": "50:26", "text": "So they all went out." }, { "end_time": "50:28", "start_time": "50:27", "text": "This guy will lying down." }, { "end_time": "50:31", "start_time": "50:28", "text": "He took out a grenade and chucked it in another terrorist." }, { "end_time": "50:34", "start_time": "50:32", "text": "And the grenade did not burst." }, { "end_time": "50:38", "start_time": "50:34", "text": "Now this hotel staff told, keep this is the only exit from this room." }, { "end_time": "50:44", "start_time": "50:38", "text": "So these guys actually later, you know, pushing themselves so that when the terrorists come out of the room, they will be shot." }, { "end_time": "50:49", "start_time": "50:44", "text": "But they do not know and also the staff did not know that there's another exit from behind." }, { "end_time": "50:50", "start_time": "50:49", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "50:51", "start_time": "50:50", "text": "So those 3, 4 terrorists were there." }, { "end_time": "50:56", "start_time": "50:52", "text": "And see, when he fired when the terrorist fired, this guy also got hit, he also fired." }, { "end_time": "50:59", "start_time": "50:56", "text": "And then the second buddy who's he also fired." }, { "end_time": "51:02", "start_time": "50:59", "text": "So but these are all aimless fighting, you know, because at night you can't see anything." }, { "end_time": "51:03", "start_time": "51:02", "text": "And it was aimless." }, { "end_time": "51:07", "start_time": "51:03", "text": "And now you see, you only wear a night sight when there you're on in a dark atmosphere." }, { "end_time": "51:15", "start_time": "51:07", "text": "If you are working in a hotel where the lights are on, you can't wear a night side because it'll actually, the image intensified tube of the night side will get spoiled." }, { "end_time": "51:16", "start_time": "51:15", "text": "Your eyes will also get damaged." }, { "end_time": "51:19", "start_time": "51:17", "text": "So they were not wearing a night side at that point in time as they entered the room." }, { "end_time": "51:22", "start_time": "51:20", "text": "So this guy fell down." }, { "end_time": "51:23", "start_time": "51:22", "text": "Everyone fired." }, { "end_time": "51:24", "start_time": "51:23", "text": "They also fired as a volley of fire." }, { "end_time": "51:25", "start_time": "51:24", "text": "Then those firing stopped." }, { "end_time": "51:28", "start_time": "51:25", "text": "These guys jumped out and went somewhere else." }, { "end_time": "51:30", "start_time": "51:28", "text": "Then one of the guys came and chucked it." }, { "end_time": "51:33", "start_time": "51:30", "text": "Even the terrorists, they chucked the Chinese grenade and that also didn't burst." }, { "end_time": "51:35", "start_time": "51:33", "text": "Now imagine the grenade had burst." }, { "end_time": "51:39", "start_time": "51:36", "text": "Then all the terrorists would have been dead, but this guy also would have been dead." }, { "end_time": "51:41", "start_time": "51:39", "text": "But in the heat of the moment, it happened." }, { "end_time": "51:43", "start_time": "51:41", "text": "Then he was pulled out." }, { "end_time": "51:49", "start_time": "51:43", "text": "Now what has happened is that the terrorists encountered a special force, which they were not expecting." }, { "end_time": "51:54", "start_time": "51:49", "text": "Because as thing turned out later on, extensive planning was done by mister Hillier Headley and all those people." }, { "end_time": "51:56", "start_time": "51:54", "text": "They would have done the rechev and tell you." }, { "end_time": "51:58", "start_time": "51:56", "text": "They would have known that energy actually is in Manasa Delhi." }, { "end_time": "52:03", "start_time": "51:58", "text": "It will take x amount of time for them to come to Bombay and then Bombay traffic and all those things." }, { "end_time": "52:05", "start_time": "52:03", "text": "And, you know, is priority given or not?" }, { "end_time": "52:07", "start_time": "52:05", "text": "All these are issues which are linked up issues." }, { "end_time": "52:17", "start_time": "52:07", "text": "So they would have easily got a breather of 4 to 5 hours from the time they actually start, doing the killing till the time the terrorist can actually, the force can abort to bear upon them." }, { "end_time": "52:19", "start_time": "52:17", "text": "That was maybe in their mind." }, { "end_time": "52:23", "start_time": "52:19", "text": "And secondly, this was not anti terror it was not a hostage situation." }, { "end_time": "52:25", "start_time": "52:23", "text": "It was like a war because they had come to kill only." }, { "end_time": "52:26", "start_time": "52:25", "text": "They knew that they'll perish." }, { "end_time": "52:28", "start_time": "52:26", "text": "So they were just killing left, right, and center." }, { "end_time": "52:34", "start_time": "52:29", "text": "But when the marcus entered and the firefight took place, that was the first firefight." }, { "end_time": "52:35", "start_time": "52:34", "text": "So these guys jumped out." }, { "end_time": "52:36", "start_time": "52:35", "text": "The guy was hurt." }, { "end_time": "52:41", "start_time": "52:36", "text": "He left his, weapon in his pack and jumped out." }, { "end_time": "52:42", "start_time": "52:41", "text": "So this pack and weapon was recovered." }, { "end_time": "52:46", "start_time": "52:42", "text": "Then they realized it is it is not gang gang warfare any any longer." }, { "end_time": "52:48", "start_time": "52:46", "text": "It is actually a terrorist operation." }, { "end_time": "52:51", "start_time": "52:48", "text": "And then the red and I think it is Pakistani things." }, { "end_time": "52:53", "start_time": "52:51", "text": "So then the situation totally changed." }, { "end_time": "53:05", "start_time": "52:54", "text": "Now meanwhile, the other, no, reinforcement of marine commandos came from the unit and they became so 4 province, 32 people entered Taj and 16 people entered, Trident also." }, { "end_time": "53:06", "start_time": "53:05", "text": "Overall Trident." }, { "end_time": "53:08", "start_time": "53:06", "text": "And they just started searching room to room." }, { "end_time": "53:12", "start_time": "53:08", "text": "The terrorists who were the only other hunters became the hunted." }, { "end_time": "53:13", "start_time": "53:12", "text": "So almost the killing stopped." }, { "end_time": "53:18", "start_time": "53:13", "text": "Now they were running for their life because they realize now they are I mean, they do not know how many people there." }, { "end_time": "53:24", "start_time": "53:18", "text": "The moment you have a firefight with a force wearing black dress and all these helmets and all, they would have seen it." }, { "end_time": "53:26", "start_time": "53:24", "text": "They would ask now they are conquered and it is not one, 2." }, { "end_time": "53:28", "start_time": "53:26", "text": "It may be 30, 40, 100 for all you know." }, { "end_time": "53:30", "start_time": "53:29", "text": "So then they started running." }, { "end_time": "53:33", "start_time": "53:30", "text": "Then after, it is recorded that, the killing actually stopped." }, { "end_time": "53:41", "start_time": "53:34", "text": "So the the marine commando's intervention that one time helped in disrupting the timelines what they would have setting for themselves." }, { "end_time": "53:45", "start_time": "53:41", "text": "And like that, they operated till this this encounter took place at 3, 4 in the morning." }, { "end_time": "53:48", "start_time": "53:46", "text": "It means on 27, early morning." }, { "end_time": "53:53", "start_time": "53:48", "text": "Then they continued working and by 9:30:10, they had almost cleared almost everyone was cleared." }, { "end_time": "53:57", "start_time": "53:54", "text": "They had rescued about 160 odd people." }, { "end_time": "54:03", "start_time": "53:57", "text": "The man in command of this small force of about 16 or 32 had rescued about 15 150 or 160 people." }, { "end_time": "54:13", "start_time": "54:03", "text": "And I when I say rescuement, they were held by the, by the staff of, the Taj and I think kudos to the staff of the Taj Hotel." }, { "end_time": "54:15", "start_time": "54:13", "text": "They were very brave, and they all got them out." }, { "end_time": "54:20", "start_time": "54:15", "text": "Then next day morning, the NSE came and see, NSE, this is the core, area of the NSE." }, { "end_time": "54:25", "start_time": "54:21", "text": "So this is this kind of operation is the core, no, area of the NSE." }, { "end_time": "54:27", "start_time": "54:25", "text": "And just, what about energy?" }, { "end_time": "54:29", "start_time": "54:27", "text": "Energy stands for National Security Guards." }, { "end_time": "54:31", "start_time": "54:29", "text": "So they come under Ministry of Home Affairs." }, { "end_time": "54:33", "start_time": "54:31", "text": "Energy has got, basically 2 elements." }, { "end_time": "54:39", "start_time": "54:34", "text": "And one is the special, ranges group, and one is the special action group." }, { "end_time": "54:46", "start_time": "54:39", "text": "So special ranges group comprises of people from the paramilitary forces, and they look after a lot of other things, including the VIP security they look after." }, { "end_time": "54:52", "start_time": "54:46", "text": "But the core fighting is done by the special action group, which is purely 100% armed forces people." }, { "end_time": "54:54", "start_time": "54:52", "text": "And, they do a training of 3, 4 months." }, { "end_time": "54:55", "start_time": "54:54", "text": "It's a very rigorous training." }, { "end_time": "55:01", "start_time": "54:55", "text": "And then they are on preparation for 3 to 4 years when they do this anti terrorist operation and the hijacking operations." }, { "end_time": "55:04", "start_time": "55:01", "text": "So there are 2 elements within, within, the special action group." }, { "end_time": "55:11", "start_time": "55:04", "text": "It is called SAG 51, SAG 51, which is anti terrorist operations, and SAG 52 is anti hijacking operations." }, { "end_time": "55:16", "start_time": "55:11", "text": "The anti hijacking operation is the one of the most complicated operations amongst all special operations." }, { "end_time": "55:20", "start_time": "55:16", "text": "So the 4th which came there was, from SAG 51." }, { "end_time": "55:27", "start_time": "55:20", "text": "They came and they landed early in the morning then by BST buses, they came to the area of, the area where the event was happening." }, { "end_time": "55:30", "start_time": "55:27", "text": "And thereafter, they, pressed into operation." }, { "end_time": "55:37", "start_time": "55:30", "text": "They took about 1, 2 hours for getting the gen, general information about and the orientation from the marine commandos would spend the whole night there." }, { "end_time": "55:44", "start_time": "55:37", "text": "And for some time, even the marine commandos, along with the, the security staff of the hotel, they help them out." }, { "end_time": "55:47", "start_time": "55:44", "text": "And once I it's it's a very trained force." }, { "end_time": "55:51", "start_time": "55:47", "text": "It's it's it's one of the best trained force we have in our country or maybe in the world." }, { "end_time": "55:53", "start_time": "55:51", "text": "And they did the operation in good time." }, { "end_time": "55:58", "start_time": "55:53", "text": "Did you end up going to the locations of the incidents after it happened?" }, { "end_time": "56:02", "start_time": "56:00", "text": "After it happened, once I went and visited." }, { "end_time": "56:08", "start_time": "56:02", "text": "But see what happened that, the role of the marine commandos, was not known to many people." }, { "end_time": "56:24", "start_time": "56:08", "text": "So when, Barack Obama came to India, following this, thing, I think next day he came and he because he gets a huge security entourage from his own country, And he also get his own aircraft as well as also the helicopter called the Marine 1." }, { "end_time": "56:29", "start_time": "56:25", "text": "So he landed in, and the government didn't allow them to use weapons." }, { "end_time": "56:33", "start_time": "56:30", "text": "So government of India said, we will give you all support." }, { "end_time": "56:35", "start_time": "56:33", "text": "Any other forces can come." }, { "end_time": "56:37", "start_time": "56:35", "text": "They said we want only marine commandos." }, { "end_time": "56:44", "start_time": "56:37", "text": "So you'll be surprised to know that the only force selected in India by the government of India and by the US was marine commando." }, { "end_time": "56:47", "start_time": "56:44", "text": "They had so much faith after this operation because they knew reality." }, { "end_time": "56:56", "start_time": "56:47", "text": "And, so you have pictures of, you know, the helicopter landing in, one of the naval bases, which is very close to inside Colaba." }, { "end_time": "57:02", "start_time": "56:56", "text": "Marine 1 came and Baragawang coming out and all in the very inner security circle, the marine commandos." }, { "end_time": "57:07", "start_time": "57:03", "text": "It is an it is, something which doesn't happen." }, { "end_time": "57:11", "start_time": "57:07", "text": "Because when the US president is there, for about 2, 3 kilowatt, the whole area is standardized." }, { "end_time": "57:12", "start_time": "57:11", "text": "They don't find any other person." }, { "end_time": "57:19", "start_time": "57:12", "text": "But as an exception, he they allowed and agreed to have marine commandos as the inner security guard, which is a great thing." }, { "end_time": "57:19", "start_time": "57:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "57:20", "start_time": "57:19", "text": "That's number 1." }, { "end_time": "57:30", "start_time": "57:20", "text": "Number 2, then they, they went to Taj and, the first lady, Michelle Obama, she wanted to meet a couple of people who participated in the operation." }, { "end_time": "57:33", "start_time": "57:30", "text": "And amongst the naval people, she wanted to meet the marine commandos." }, { "end_time": "57:38", "start_time": "57:34", "text": "So what I'm trying to say is that these people just don't call at people at random." }, { "end_time": "57:39", "start_time": "57:38", "text": "They do a lot of thorough research." }, { "end_time": "57:43", "start_time": "57:40", "text": "So they would have got to know exactly, who are the people." }, { "end_time": "57:48", "start_time": "57:43", "text": "See now, I'm not saying that, we, the marine commando I would say we because I'm part of the marine commandos." }, { "end_time": "57:53", "start_time": "57:49", "text": "I'm I'm not saying that I was the one who did the operation and, you know, nobody gave us the accolades." }, { "end_time": "57:53", "start_time": "57:53", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "57:54", "start_time": "57:53", "text": "I'm not saying that." }, { "end_time": "57:57", "start_time": "57:54", "text": "I'm saying that, it's a teamwork." }, { "end_time": "57:59", "start_time": "57:58", "text": "A lot of people work together." }, { "end_time": "58:04", "start_time": "58:00", "text": "But how much people worked, who organized it, that is an issue." }, { "end_time": "58:08", "start_time": "58:04", "text": "The people who got keen eye and who are initiated to special operation will actually know." }, { "end_time": "58:15", "start_time": "58:09", "text": "And secondly, like a heart attack or any other, medical calamity emergency, there is something called the golden period." }, { "end_time": "58:23", "start_time": "58:15", "text": "So, like, if you got a heart issue, within 1, 2 hours, if you're able to take a person to the hospital and under effective medical care, you can save the person." }, { "end_time": "58:25", "start_time": "58:23", "text": "Same thing happens in terrorist operation also." }, { "end_time": "58:27", "start_time": "58:26", "text": "The first 2, 3 hours are very crucial." }, { "end_time": "58:37", "start_time": "58:28", "text": "If you are able to at that 2, 3 hours, if you are able to enter and encounter the force, the, the the terrorists, then they become the defensive." }, { "end_time": "58:41", "start_time": "58:37", "text": "Then the gravity of the damage is limited and restrained." }, { "end_time": "58:42", "start_time": "58:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "58:44", "start_time": "58:42", "text": "So that is the job I think the marine commandos did." }, { "end_time": "58:52", "start_time": "58:45", "text": "Of course, there are other people who also worked alongside with there were anti, terrorist squad of the Mumbai police also came." }, { "end_time": "58:56", "start_time": "58:52", "text": "But then they were not equipped for this kind of heavy heavy duty operation." }, { "end_time": "59:01", "start_time": "58:56", "text": "So they they accompanied that after they pulled out and the the staff of the Taj was always there." }, { "end_time": "59:05", "start_time": "59:01", "text": "Then the RBS gotten out and later on the energy came in and energy are masters in this." }, { "end_time": "59:06", "start_time": "59:05", "text": "They did a fantastic job." }, { "end_time": "59:07", "start_time": "59:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "59:15", "start_time": "59:07", "text": "You know, so from an international perspective, a lot of people all over the world know about Navy Seals just because of how much Navy Seals are out there." }, { "end_time": "59:17", "start_time": "59:15", "text": "And I'm talking about the American version of marine commandos." }, { "end_time": "59:23", "start_time": "59:18", "text": "I think it's about time the world gets to know about the greatness of Indian Marine Commandos or the MARCOS." }, { "end_time": "59:26", "start_time": "59:23", "text": "And that's a huge reason for us even wanting to do this particular episode." }, { "end_time": "59:30", "start_time": "59:26", "text": "For that, I'm very thankful to you because by this meeting, we got a huge reach, 4, 5,000,000 people." }, { "end_time": "59:37", "start_time": "59:30", "text": "And I'm sure that people will now get to know a little bit more, a wee bit more about what Navy is all about and what Marine Command is all about." }, { "end_time": "59:37", "start_time": "59:37", "text": "Yes, sir." }, { "end_time": "59:39", "start_time": "59:37", "text": "And it's just the beginning, honestly." }, { "end_time": "59:45", "start_time": "59:39", "text": "Like, I feel generally the Indian population is very inclined towards learning about the armed forces, but we've not got a correct medium." }, { "end_time": "59:45", "start_time": "59:45", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "59:49", "start_time": "59:45", "text": "So through this series we've done on military borders, I've got to learn so much." }, { "end_time": "59:53", "start_time": "59:49", "text": "It's genuine questions I have with a little bit of animal danger and all that added in." }, { "end_time": "1:00:01", "start_time": "59:53", "text": "But, it's genuinely like an honor even, like, listening to you, learning to you, not just you or any armed forces veteran." }, { "end_time": "1:00:16", "start_time": "1:00:02", "text": "I think of all the podcasts that I do, you all have the most, wide life in terms of experiences, in terms of going to the depth of life, in terms of coming that close to that level of danger." }, { "end_time": "1:00:19", "start_time": "1:00:17", "text": "These kind of perspectives are not there in other professions." }, { "end_time": "1:00:20", "start_time": "1:00:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:00:23", "start_time": "1:00:20", "text": "Actually, it's nice that you feel like that about, the armed forces per se." }, { "end_time": "1:00:27", "start_time": "1:00:23", "text": "But if you are very frankly, every profession has got its own high points and low points." }, { "end_time": "1:00:29", "start_time": "1:00:28", "text": "Every profession has got its own risk." }, { "end_time": "1:00:31", "start_time": "1:00:29", "text": "What is what is the risk for you?" }, { "end_time": "1:00:34", "start_time": "1:00:31", "text": "What is the risk for the people who work in a company or a multinational or a startup?" }, { "end_time": "1:00:35", "start_time": "1:00:34", "text": "Their risk factors are different." }, { "end_time": "1:00:38", "start_time": "1:00:36", "text": "Vis a vis what risk factor which people in the armed forces do." }, { "end_time": "1:00:44", "start_time": "1:00:39", "text": "So while what you say I totally agree and second it also, but I must also give due to the people who are working." }, { "end_time": "1:00:46", "start_time": "1:00:44", "text": "Everybody's working to build a country." }, { "end_time": "1:00:48", "start_time": "1:00:46", "text": "So this is my personal views." }, { "end_time": "1:00:48", "start_time": "1:00:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:00:54", "start_time": "1:00:48", "text": "Now since you mentioned about Marine Commando, I thought I must just tell you how Marine Commando is different from other special forces in India." }, { "end_time": "1:00:55", "start_time": "1:00:54", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "1:00:59", "start_time": "1:00:55", "text": "We are actually, based on the US Navy Seal pattern." }, { "end_time": "1:01:01", "start_time": "1:00:59", "text": "The training patterns like them." }, { "end_time": "1:01:04", "start_time": "1:01:01", "text": "So, our training is the most elaborate and the longest training." }, { "end_time": "1:01:08", "start_time": "1:01:04", "text": "Everybody has to be a clearance diver or a diver who is a combat diver." }, { "end_time": "1:01:12", "start_time": "1:01:08", "text": "Everybody has to handle, no, IEDs and other things." }, { "end_time": "1:01:16", "start_time": "1:01:12", "text": "Then everybody has to be a landlover, miss a commando on land." }, { "end_time": "1:01:18", "start_time": "1:01:16", "text": "Then everybody has to be trained in, airborne insertion." }, { "end_time": "1:01:22", "start_time": "1:01:18", "text": "So this elaborate training doesn't happen in any special force in our country." }, { "end_time": "1:01:23", "start_time": "1:01:22", "text": "That's the one." }, { "end_time": "1:01:29", "start_time": "1:01:23", "text": "And why this kind of high high intensity training is because of the simple fact that you are working in 3 mediums." }, { "end_time": "1:01:32", "start_time": "1:01:30", "text": "Largely 2 medium, the land and the sea." }, { "end_time": "1:01:33", "start_time": "1:01:32", "text": "And the sea is very unforgiving." }, { "end_time": "1:01:37", "start_time": "1:01:34", "text": "So you have to be that you have to train that much more." }, { "end_time": "1:01:53", "start_time": "1:01:37", "text": "So that's that's sort of thing which and and because of this and the multifarious tasking which can come because of the kind of training and skills sets you have actually developed and consolidated over a period of time and been given to you by able instructors, your domain operation is far and wider." }, { "end_time": "1:01:59", "start_time": "1:01:53", "text": "And that's why the equipment level which you've got is far more superior than the equipment level which any other special force has in the country to my knowledge." }, { "end_time": "1:02:00", "start_time": "1:01:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:02:07", "start_time": "1:02:00", "text": "And my knowledge is very current because I I left, my last seat as principal director special operation after 8 years in November 2020." }, { "end_time": "1:02:08", "start_time": "1:02:07", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "1:02:08", "start_time": "1:02:08", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:02:18", "start_time": "1:02:09", "text": "You know, while while I want to dig 10 more tangents just out of this one paragraph that you've given us, I have to save content for the Hindi episode as well." }, { "end_time": "1:02:20", "start_time": "1:02:18", "text": "That's the honest answer." }, { "end_time": "1:02:25", "start_time": "1:02:20", "text": "I would also like to say it's easily one of the best podcast I've ever had in my life." }, { "end_time": "1:02:26", "start_time": "1:02:25", "text": "And you have that much to share." }, { "end_time": "1:02:28", "start_time": "1:02:26", "text": "That's a wide your experiences also." }, { "end_time": "1:02:29", "start_time": "1:02:28", "text": "Thanks a lot." }, { "end_time": "1:02:30", "start_time": "1:02:29", "text": "Do you think like that?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:30", "start_time": "1:02:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:02:30", "start_time": "1:02:30", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:02:30", "start_time": "1:02:30", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:02:33", "start_time": "1:02:30", "text": "And collectively, as a team, we're, like, deeply grateful." }, { "end_time": "1:02:38", "start_time": "1:02:34", "text": "Thank you for your service on behalf of, like, the entire country and the youth." }, { "end_time": "1:02:39", "start_time": "1:02:38", "text": "I know I can speak for them." }, { "end_time": "1:02:49", "start_time": "1:02:39", "text": "So but, one thing I would definitely like to say is the Internet needs more of the armed forces, and this is this just this episode is one huge step in that direction." }, { "end_time": "1:02:53", "start_time": "1:02:49", "text": "People need to know what kind of badasses the Indian armed forces really are." }, { "end_time": "1:02:55", "start_time": "1:02:53", "text": "And it's just the beginning." }, { "end_time": "1:02:56", "start_time": "1:02:55", "text": "That's what I thought." }, { "end_time": "1:02:58", "start_time": "1:02:56", "text": "And it's my pleasure being in this show." }, { "end_time": "1:03:01", "start_time": "1:02:58", "text": "And through this medium, a lot of people can be educated." }, { "end_time": "1:03:04", "start_time": "1:03:01", "text": "And obviously, the awareness you know, even the US had the same problem." }, { "end_time": "1:03:06", "start_time": "1:03:04", "text": "There's something called sea blindness." }, { "end_time": "1:03:09", "start_time": "1:03:06", "text": "The US people don't know what is the US Navy doing with it." }, { "end_time": "1:03:11", "start_time": "1:03:09", "text": "They're deployed, around the world." }, { "end_time": "1:03:15", "start_time": "1:03:11", "text": "So they had a serial call, the the Patriot, which is shot onboard Nimitz." }, { "end_time": "1:03:19", "start_time": "1:03:16", "text": "The entire, TV crew came onboard Nimitz." }, { "end_time": "1:03:20", "start_time": "1:03:19", "text": "Or not Nimitz." }, { "end_time": "1:03:23", "start_time": "1:03:20", "text": "Some one of the aircraft carriers, nuclear power aircraft carriers." }, { "end_time": "1:03:29", "start_time": "1:03:23", "text": "And they've stayed onboard for 6 months and shot what actually operations happened and how a daily life is onboard a aircraft carrier." }, { "end_time": "1:03:33", "start_time": "1:03:29", "text": "Just to make people realize that don't, don't what navy is all about." }, { "end_time": "1:03:39", "start_time": "1:03:33", "text": "And if the US navy the people don't know about US navy in their own country, you can imagine what happens in other countries." }, { "end_time": "1:03:39", "start_time": "1:03:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:03:46", "start_time": "1:03:39", "text": "So this your effort is, a very honest and sincere effort towards educating the people about a lot of aspects." }, { "end_time": "1:03:49", "start_time": "1:03:47", "text": "And there are wide aspects, in the armed forces." }, { "end_time": "1:03:55", "start_time": "1:03:49", "text": "And, of course, the marine commandos are not only marine commandos, other special forces are the best, I would say." }, { "end_time": "1:03:55", "start_time": "1:03:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:03:56", "start_time": "1:03:55", "text": "And I'll continue to say that." }, { "end_time": "1:04:01", "start_time": "1:03:57", "text": "So pardon me for not standing, but I salute you, like, from the bottom of my heart." }, { "end_time": "1:04:02", "start_time": "1:04:01", "text": "Thanks a lot, man." }, { "end_time": "1:04:05", "start_time": "1:04:02", "text": "Just thank you for opening up so much on, this episode." }, { "end_time": "1:04:07", "start_time": "1:04:05", "text": "Lots more episodes to create with you." }, { "end_time": "1:04:08", "start_time": "1:04:07", "text": "That's what I'll say." }, { "end_time": "1:04:09", "start_time": "1:04:08", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:04:09", "start_time": "1:04:09", "text": "Thank you, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:04:10", "start_time": "1:04:09", "text": "We can do this." }, { "end_time": "1:04:10", "start_time": "1:04:10", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:04:11", "start_time": "1:04:10", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "1:04:11", "start_time": "1:04:11", "text": "Thanks." }, { "end_time": "1:04:12", "start_time": "1:04:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:04:13", "start_time": "1:04:12", "text": "Honor speaking with you, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:04:13", "start_time": "1:04:13", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:04:14", "start_time": "1:04:13", "text": "My pleasure." }, { "end_time": "1:04:15", "start_time": "1:04:14", "text": "My honor too." }, { "end_time": "1:04:17", "start_time": "1:04:15", "text": "That was the episode for today." }, { "end_time": "1:04:27", "start_time": "1:04:17", "text": "The thing I love about special forces podcast are that when I speak to special forces veterans, I realize that this is the true meaning of life." }, { "end_time": "1:04:44", "start_time": "1:04:27", "text": "Exploration, perspectives, coming this close to danger, coming this close to death, coming this close to people and situations that are built to kill you and surviving through it and growing after your survival and changing your own perspectives after that growth, that survival." }, { "end_time": "1:04:51", "start_time": "1:04:45", "text": "I hope that we're able to capture the essence of being a special forces veteran through these episodes." }, { "end_time": "1:04:56", "start_time": "1:04:51", "text": "Commodore Vijay Rawat is a legend from the world of the special forces." }, { "end_time": "1:05:04", "start_time": "1:04:56", "text": "I hope that the Indian youth, especially, gets to know the amount of badassery that we have within the armed forces even today." }, { "end_time": "1:05:07", "start_time": "1:05:05", "text": "People need to know how capable the Indian Armed Forces are." }, { "end_time": "1:05:11", "start_time": "1:05:07", "text": "People need to know the greatness of the Indian Armed Forces." }, { "end_time": "1:05:20", "start_time": "1:05:12", "text": "It begins with these special forces conversations that we do on the podcast, but I promise you there's a whole world left to discover." }, { "end_time": "1:05:28", "start_time": "1:05:20", "text": "Make sure you follow our Hindi podcast as well where we actually created a Hindi episode with right after this one." }, { "end_time": "1:05:31", "start_time": "1:05:28", "text": "Both the highlights channels are live on YouTube." }, { "end_time": "1:05:34", "start_time": "1:05:32", "text": "They contain only the best bits of both the episodes." }, { "end_time": "1:05:36", "start_time": "1:05:34", "text": "We're gonna be linking them down below." }, { "end_time": "1:05:39", "start_time": "1:05:36", "text": "And make sure you keep following TRS on Spotify." }, { "end_time": "1:05:46", "start_time": "1:05:39", "text": "We're Spotify exclusive, which means that every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world." }, { "end_time": "1:05:48", "start_time": "1:05:46", "text": "Vijay sir will be back on TRS." }, { "end_time": "1:05:55", "start_time": "1:05:48", "text": "And this is just the beginning of all these special forces podcasts that we'll be bringing your way." } ] }

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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:04", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "Welcome to this Independence Day special of the Ranveer Show." }, { "end_time": "0:22", "start_time": "0:04", "text": "An aim of mine for this podcast has always been to celebrate our country, celebrate our heroes, celebrate the people who are fighting at the borders, fighting outside of the borders to make this a safer, more prosperous land for all the Indians living within it." }, { "end_time": "0:27", "start_time": "0:23", "text": "On today's episode, we have Colonel Subhan Balakrishnan of the Special Forces." }, { "end_time": "0:29", "start_time": "0:27", "text": "He's a former officer of the Indian Army." }, { "end_time": "0:32", "start_time": "0:30", "text": "Incredible experiences, incredible perspectives." }, { "end_time": "0:39", "start_time": "0:32", "text": "If you're someone who enjoys conversations about the army, conversations about the special forces, this one's for you." }, { "end_time": "0:40", "start_time": "0:39", "text": "Enjoy this episode." }, { "end_time": "0:41", "start_time": "0:40", "text": "Do share it with your friends." }, { "end_time": "0:43", "start_time": "0:41", "text": "Make sure you follow Duran Veesh on Spotify." }, { "end_time": "0:49", "start_time": "0:44", "text": "Every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world." }, { "end_time": "0:51", "start_time": "0:50", "text": "Happy Independence Day, everybody." }, { "end_time": "0:56", "start_time": "0:52", "text": "Let's get to know some real life stories of some real life heroes together." }, { "end_time": "1:00", "start_time": "0:56", "text": "Enjoy this episode with Colonel Subhan Balakrishnan on the Ranveer Show." }, { "end_time": "1:29", "start_time": "1:16", "text": "Gonna sue in bala krishnan on having you on the and we show so always a pleasure and wish thank you thank you for having me here So, right before this podcast started, you asking me why we're bringing on so many army men on the show." }, { "end_time": "1:31", "start_time": "1:30", "text": "What's your answer to that?" }, { "end_time": "1:33", "start_time": "1:31", "text": "Well, I really don't have an answer." }, { "end_time": "1:48", "start_time": "1:33", "text": "I mean, I I found it, interesting for for want of a better phrase that you actually are, investing time and effort in in getting people from the army, from the special forces background to come and speak, because that's not something that happens usually." }, { "end_time": "2:01", "start_time": "1:49", "text": "In spite of the, fairly, good exposure and good interest out there, it's not been happening very frequently or not as frequently as one would think, it should be happening." }, { "end_time": "2:04", "start_time": "2:02", "text": "Until the 2020s with the Renvish show." }, { "end_time": "2:07", "start_time": "2:05", "text": "But that's one way to look at it." }, { "end_time": "2:10", "start_time": "2:08", "text": "So that's what we want to change." }, { "end_time": "2:12", "start_time": "2:10", "text": "I remember talking to captain Raghu about this." }, { "end_time": "2:23", "start_time": "2:12", "text": "And he's, as I told you earlier, he said that, the one place that the Indian army kind of, you know, would, like to improve is their front branding." }, { "end_time": "2:26", "start_time": "2:23", "text": "As in a branding that goes out to the audiences." }, { "end_time": "2:29", "start_time": "2:26", "text": "What do the audiences think of the army?" }, { "end_time": "2:33", "start_time": "2:29", "text": "There's a lot of national pride when it comes to the army, but they don't know much about it." }, { "end_time": "2:36", "start_time": "2:33", "text": "People don't know the inner workings of it, especially younger folks." }, { "end_time": "2:40", "start_time": "2:37", "text": "We know more about the US marines than we know about the special forces." }, { "end_time": "2:42", "start_time": "2:41", "text": "It's absolutely right." }, { "end_time": "2:42", "start_time": "2:42", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "3:00", "start_time": "2:42", "text": "And and it's, you know, just to carry the conversation that we were having earlier, forward, is that there is so much of, so much of latent talent that's available with, veterans and people from the armed forces with the background that, they have." }, { "end_time": "3:07", "start_time": "3:00", "text": "And I'm it's always amazed me that it has not really been exploited in the manner that it should for for greater good." }, { "end_time": "3:08", "start_time": "3:07", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "3:19", "start_time": "3:08", "text": "And I think that's that's, that's an area that there is so much of ideal capacity that that we have within the country that we really don't need to look over our shoulder at what's happening beyond this." }, { "end_time": "3:22", "start_time": "3:19", "text": "That that that's that's tremendous amount of potential that lies there." }, { "end_time": "3:25", "start_time": "3:22", "text": "So we had made a Vivek Jacob on the show." }, { "end_time": "3:26", "start_time": "3:25", "text": "I'm sure you've checked out that episode." }, { "end_time": "3:27", "start_time": "3:26", "text": "So Yes." }, { "end_time": "3:27", "start_time": "3:27", "text": "I did." }, { "end_time": "3:30", "start_time": "3:28", "text": "You had also worked with him on the field." }, { "end_time": "3:30", "start_time": "3:30", "text": "Is that true?" }, { "end_time": "3:31", "start_time": "3:31", "text": "Well, no." }, { "end_time": "3:33", "start_time": "3:31", "text": "We haven't, interacted directly." }, { "end_time": "3:35", "start_time": "3:33", "text": "We make as much junior to me." }, { "end_time": "3:35", "start_time": "3:35", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "3:45", "start_time": "3:36", "text": "But, you know, the spoken reputation does carry and we have, interacted, but not not on a on a very regular basis or on an operation, singularly." }, { "end_time": "3:46", "start_time": "3:46", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "3:53", "start_time": "3:47", "text": "So the one thing I got from that conversation with him about the Indian special forces is that your keyword is efficiency." }, { "end_time": "4:01", "start_time": "3:53", "text": "It's all about doing your mission with a lot of efficiency and where efficiency is the requirement, the SF is sent in to do the job." }, { "end_time": "4:03", "start_time": "4:01", "text": "Actually I'd I'd go one step further." }, { "end_time": "4:10", "start_time": "4:04", "text": "Efficiency is great, but the trick lies in converting that efficiency to effectiveness." }, { "end_time": "4:11", "start_time": "4:10", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "4:33", "start_time": "4:11", "text": "So e to e, you know, you could be as efficient as you think you are, but unless you are able to translate that efficiency to effectiveness on ground in a certain, pool of a situation, I think that that's the trick is in converting that efficiency, which a lot of us have, latent or, efficiency within us." }, { "end_time": "4:33", "start_time": "4:33", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "4:40", "start_time": "4:33", "text": "And we we we are constantly in a manner trying to polish it or refine it and to bring it to a certain level." }, { "end_time": "4:45", "start_time": "4:40", "text": "But the trick is, in my opinion, is to convert that efficiency into effectiveness." }, { "end_time": "4:49", "start_time": "4:45", "text": "And that's that's that's what the special forces is actually all about." }, { "end_time": "4:49", "start_time": "4:49", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "4:53", "start_time": "4:50", "text": "Probably I'd like to highlight one more thing about the special forces just as an observer." }, { "end_time": "4:56", "start_time": "4:54", "text": "You guys have a lot of friendliness in your demeanor." }, { "end_time": "4:59", "start_time": "4:56", "text": "You all have, like, gentleness in your eyes, but I know you're absolute badasses." }, { "end_time": "5:02", "start_time": "4:59", "text": "Like I'm actually killing you with my looks right now." }, { "end_time": "5:06", "start_time": "5:02", "text": "No, y'all y'all and y'all have kind of gone through a very bad ass environment." }, { "end_time": "5:11", "start_time": "5:06", "text": "It was probably something the amjunta knows, but they don't really know." }, { "end_time": "5:18", "start_time": "5:11", "text": "So through the medium of storytelling, I would love for you to take us through what happened when you were 22." }, { "end_time": "5:20", "start_time": "5:18", "text": "What was your 22 year old mindset?" }, { "end_time": "5:28", "start_time": "5:21", "text": "And, what was that journey from age, say, 22 to being, all out special forces?" }, { "end_time": "5:29", "start_time": "5:28", "text": "But why why 22?" }, { "end_time": "5:31", "start_time": "5:29", "text": "I'd like know why are you starting with 22?" }, { "end_time": "5:34", "start_time": "5:31", "text": "22 is a key number on this particular podcast." }, { "end_time": "5:37", "start_time": "5:34", "text": "We talk a lot about, being 22 years old." }, { "end_time": "5:43", "start_time": "5:37", "text": "Maybe it comes from a personal place because I had a whole tumultuous 22 year old phase in my own life." }, { "end_time": "5:50", "start_time": "5:43", "text": "A lot of people, especially Indian guys in particular, but also Indian women, have to shed off the inner child when they're 22." }, { "end_time": "5:53", "start_time": "5:50", "text": "I'm sure that happens earlier for you guys slightly earlier." }, { "end_time": "5:53", "start_time": "5:53", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "5:54", "start_time": "5:53", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "6:01", "start_time": "5:54", "text": "But let me let me rewind a little further because my story, takes sustenance from from there." }, { "end_time": "6:04", "start_time": "6:02", "text": "The the sprout happens there." }, { "end_time": "6:04", "start_time": "6:04", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "6:13", "start_time": "6:05", "text": "So, in the period, probably 16, 17, or thereabouts, is when the switch happened." }, { "end_time": "6:23", "start_time": "6:13", "text": "The switch from, a fairly decent, good bloke, good quote unquote, to the wild child." }, { "end_time": "6:32", "start_time": "6:24", "text": "Probably, you know, testosterone and all the other chemical releases in the body." }, { "end_time": "6:34", "start_time": "6:32", "text": "But I just just went haywire." }, { "end_time": "6:42", "start_time": "6:34", "text": "And, looking back at it now, I can only feel for my folks and what they went through because I it was it was dramatic." }, { "end_time": "6:45", "start_time": "6:42", "text": "It was sudden, and I just went completely berserk." }, { "end_time": "6:52", "start_time": "6:45", "text": "And then, it went to an extent where I fed terribly in my 12 standard board." }, { "end_time": "7:02", "start_time": "6:52", "text": "So, you know, the the drop off was was very sudden, very dramatic, and, was not something that people could could, take to very easily." }, { "end_time": "7:12", "start_time": "7:03", "text": "And that's when, by, a mixture of circumstances, I took the NDA exam." }, { "end_time": "7:14", "start_time": "7:12", "text": "In fact, my dad is from the RIMC." }, { "end_time": "7:17", "start_time": "7:14", "text": "I don't know if you heard of it, the Russia Indian Military College." }, { "end_time": "7:20", "start_time": "7:17", "text": "What it used to be called the Prince of Wales Military College." }, { "end_time": "7:22", "start_time": "7:20", "text": "It's established by the, the Britishers." }, { "end_time": "7:36", "start_time": "7:24", "text": "And, one of these term breaks or, I think it was my 11th standard break, that, he had to go to Dehradun on some official work and, we just tagged along with him." }, { "end_time": "7:46", "start_time": "7:36", "text": "And that's when my dad took us to his old school and then his records were pulled out and, you know, all I'm sorry." }, { "end_time": "7:48", "start_time": "7:46", "text": "All kind of stuff that happens in one of these visits." }, { "end_time": "8:00", "start_time": "7:50", "text": "And it so happened that the the principal there knew my dad and, old boy school, affiliations and whatever." }, { "end_time": "8:05", "start_time": "8:01", "text": "They asked me why do you leave your son here for a bit?" }, { "end_time": "8:08", "start_time": "8:05", "text": "And so my dad turned to me and asked me, do you wanna stay back here?" }, { "end_time": "8:09", "start_time": "8:09", "text": "I said, wow." }, { "end_time": "8:12", "start_time": "8:09", "text": "This is one good way to get away from home." }, { "end_time": "8:13", "start_time": "8:12", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "8:14", "start_time": "8:13", "text": "Some independence." }, { "end_time": "8:15", "start_time": "8:14", "text": "So I said, yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:16", "start_time": "8:15", "text": "Hell yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:21", "start_time": "8:16", "text": "And so I stayed back there for about a week or so and I made some fantastic friends." }, { "end_time": "8:24", "start_time": "8:22", "text": "And I just love the atmosphere." }, { "end_time": "8:31", "start_time": "8:24", "text": "I love the way that these guys were going about their business and, these these are friendships that, endured to to date." }, { "end_time": "8:34", "start_time": "8:32", "text": "And these guys were filling up their forms to the NDN." }, { "end_time": "8:37", "start_time": "8:34", "text": "I had no clue and, whatever." }, { "end_time": "8:55", "start_time": "8:38", "text": "So, I fill up the form and, went through the written exam, which I got through and then the SSB or the, the selection services board, the interview happened and whatever and when the results were published, it came in the newspaper." }, { "end_time": "9:09", "start_time": "8:55", "text": "So I was 7th in All India merit and then suddenly from this guy who was you know, had been given up for, being a nobody, it suddenly propels you in an entirely different dimension." }, { "end_time": "9:13", "start_time": "9:09", "text": "And that that's when I think that first switch happened." }, { "end_time": "9:17", "start_time": "9:15", "text": "And thereafter, I went to the NDA and everything." }, { "end_time": "9:27", "start_time": "9:17", "text": "I was I was I was decently physically fit, but by NDA standards, an average guy." }, { "end_time": "9:27", "start_time": "9:27", "text": "What?" }, { "end_time": "9:29", "start_time": "9:27", "text": "Can you describe this further?" }, { "end_time": "9:31", "start_time": "9:29", "text": "Like, why buying India standards and average guy?" }, { "end_time": "9:53", "start_time": "9:32", "text": "Well, let's say about, 60 to 70% and and these figures I'm just giving, it might not be very specific, but, in somewhere in that, grouping of, youngsters from the RIMC or the Russian military college, the schools, and other feeder institutions to the NDA." }, { "end_time": "9:58", "start_time": "9:53", "text": "So these are the kind of guys that are coming who are from there, from the 6 standard, 7 standard, or thereabouts." }, { "end_time": "10:04", "start_time": "9:59", "text": "And who've been trained in a certain manner to be fit for selection to the NDA." }, { "end_time": "10:17", "start_time": "10:04", "text": "So they have the the grounding of, of a disciplined life, certain amount of physical fitness and, some amount of haram panty, you know, that qualifies very precisely to make it to the NDA." }, { "end_time": "10:21", "start_time": "10:17", "text": "And the rest of us guys are coming in off from, CV Street." }, { "end_time": "10:28", "start_time": "10:23", "text": "We have no idea about what we are signing up for, the majority of the 30, 40%." }, { "end_time": "10:30", "start_time": "10:28", "text": "And some of them are, you know, 4 g brats and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "10:31", "start_time": "10:30", "text": "So they have a fair idea." }, { "end_time": "10:43", "start_time": "10:32", "text": "So from that point of view, you you irrespective of whatever people tell you from the outside, you are not really entirely prepared for the force with which it hits you on day 1 at the academy." }, { "end_time": "10:57", "start_time": "10:43", "text": "And then the transition that happens within the academy from a blustering blundering fool to to getting a little street smart so that you can make it through those two and a half, three years of exposure at the NDA." }, { "end_time": "10:58", "start_time": "10:57", "text": "It takes a little bit of effort." }, { "end_time": "11:02", "start_time": "10:58", "text": "I mean, it's nothing extraordinary, but it does take a little bit of effort." }, { "end_time": "11:10", "start_time": "11:04", "text": "How is the NDA training different from the special forces training that happens after?" }, { "end_time": "11:11", "start_time": "11:10", "text": "I'm sure it's dead different." }, { "end_time": "11:12", "start_time": "11:11", "text": "It's crazy different." }, { "end_time": "11:15", "start_time": "11:13", "text": "But again, from an arm junta perspective." }, { "end_time": "11:36", "start_time": "11:15", "text": "So Well, see, one of the great fallacies that happens, and I think, it was reflected, fairly in, Webex podcast as well, is that, there is a there is a a certain amount of belief out there that you need to be the stud." }, { "end_time": "11:37", "start_time": "11:37", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "11:41", "start_time": "11:37", "text": "You need to be Johnny Rambo to make it to the special forces." }, { "end_time": "11:43", "start_time": "11:41", "text": "And and that was what I believed as well." }, { "end_time": "11:50", "start_time": "11:43", "text": "Even through NDA and through IMA, I just thought, man, this is something that is not for me." }, { "end_time": "11:51", "start_time": "11:50", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "11:55", "start_time": "11:51", "text": "I I'm nobody to be getting in there because this is not what I'm all about." }, { "end_time": "12:08", "start_time": "11:56", "text": "Because, the belief out there, and a very mistaken belief is that you need to be super physically fit and you need to be, John Rambo, and that's it." }, { "end_time": "12:10", "start_time": "12:08", "text": "So all brain, no brain." }, { "end_time": "12:11", "start_time": "12:10", "text": "No all brawn, no brain." }, { "end_time": "12:16", "start_time": "12:11", "text": "That's the, typical stereotype that has been created over a period of time." }, { "end_time": "12:25", "start_time": "12:16", "text": "I I don't know if that's the stereotype in the public eye because, okay, the the kind of image that people have a special forces at least now is definitely It's changing." }, { "end_time": "12:25", "start_time": "12:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:26", "start_time": "12:25", "text": "It's changing." }, { "end_time": "12:28", "start_time": "12:26", "text": "I, I think I got to acknowledge that it is changing." }, { "end_time": "12:34", "start_time": "12:29", "text": "But at least from my perspective or from that period of time, it is completely that." }, { "end_time": "12:35", "start_time": "12:34", "text": "And Got it." }, { "end_time": "12:50", "start_time": "12:35", "text": "A guy who was in the NDA, and you you can make out, you know, even within, peer equivalents, within the peer group, you know that okay, x y zed, these are the 3, 7, 10 guys who are going to volunteer with the special forces." }, { "end_time": "13:01", "start_time": "12:50", "text": "And it's purely, that shortlisting in the mind and the, langar gap that goes around is purely based on physical attributes and nothing else." }, { "end_time": "13:02", "start_time": "13:01", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "13:02", "start_time": "13:02", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "13:07", "start_time": "13:03", "text": "And those are typically the guys who kind of opt also because it's it's peer pressure." }, { "end_time": "13:14", "start_time": "13:07", "text": "It's it's the, the need and the requirement to be living up to a certain stereotype, which has been built over time and so on and so forth." }, { "end_time": "13:26", "start_time": "13:16", "text": "And, so we we went through NDA, we went through IMA and the typical set of guys who we knew that would offer the special forces opted for the special forces when they're and so on." }, { "end_time": "13:27", "start_time": "13:26", "text": "But we were not one of them." }, { "end_time": "13:29", "start_time": "13:27", "text": "We stayed absolutely clear." }, { "end_time": "13:33", "start_time": "13:30", "text": "And then, so one day, I just got to cut you short." }, { "end_time": "13:36", "start_time": "13:33", "text": "The guys who don't opt for the special forces, what's going on in their head?" }, { "end_time": "13:38", "start_time": "13:36", "text": "Like, why don't they want to opt for it?" }, { "end_time": "13:42", "start_time": "13:38", "text": "Like, is there some kind of Because it they believe your power line." }, { "end_time": "13:44", "start_time": "13:43", "text": "Why so?" }, { "end_time": "13:47", "start_time": "13:44", "text": "Because, it it requires a certain mindset." }, { "end_time": "13:48", "start_time": "13:47", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "13:54", "start_time": "13:48", "text": "And it requires, a mindset, well, for one of a better term, for a kinky mindset." }, { "end_time": "13:57", "start_time": "13:56", "text": "Completely different." }, { "end_time": "13:58", "start_time": "13:57", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "14:06", "start_time": "13:58", "text": "That that's a kind of the thing, but predicated with a tremendous amount of physical fitness that resides in the background." }, { "end_time": "14:19", "start_time": "14:06", "text": "So it's a it's a combination of, let's say, I'm talking from the mind space of people like me, you know, the the our expectation or our understanding of the situation was 80 20, proportion." }, { "end_time": "14:22", "start_time": "14:19", "text": "80% brawn and 20% kinky mindset." }, { "end_time": "14:27", "start_time": "14:23", "text": "A guy who do something completely different just for the heck of it." }, { "end_time": "14:27", "start_time": "14:27", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "14:28", "start_time": "14:27", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "14:30", "start_time": "14:28", "text": "Who does not, who's a non conformist." }, { "end_time": "14:35", "start_time": "14:35", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "14:43", "start_time": "14:35", "text": "And that that's the that's the kind of figurative, creature that, that one would draw." }, { "end_time": "14:54", "start_time": "14:47", "text": "Much later, I recognize how that's completely incorrect, characterization." }, { "end_time": "15:18", "start_time": "14:55", "text": "That stereotype doesn't really work at all and when you actually start looking at, some of the data of people who make it to the special forces and for people who give up thereafter or who don't find that they fit into the scheme of things in the special forces and they drop out." }, { "end_time": "15:23", "start_time": "15:18", "text": "Some of these guys were all drawn and, you know, but they don't they don't fit in." }, { "end_time": "15:32", "start_time": "15:23", "text": "So over a period of time, as you started understanding the system, in fact, till the time I volunteered for the special forces, I had no clarity at all." }, { "end_time": "15:43", "start_time": "15:33", "text": "Even when I volunteered for the special forces, I was under the belief that, you know, I'm nowhere in that frame, but yet I'm gonna try." }, { "end_time": "15:44", "start_time": "15:44", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "15:52", "start_time": "15:44", "text": "And, but one thing that I was very clear in my mind at that stage is I'm not gonna be coming back, saying that I did not make it." }, { "end_time": "15:55", "start_time": "15:52", "text": "I would do whatever it takes and beyond to ensure that I make it." }, { "end_time": "16:01", "start_time": "15:55", "text": "Although I in my mind, in the core of my belief, I felt that I'm undercooked from this stereotype." }, { "end_time": "16:17", "start_time": "16:02", "text": "It's only when I went through probation, the 90 day period that, they ring you out completely, that I realized that, not during the time, but once I cleared the probation, I realized that there's a much larger construct here." }, { "end_time": "16:23", "start_time": "16:19", "text": "The next 2 obvious follow-up questions are what was the larger construct?" }, { "end_time": "16:28", "start_time": "16:24", "text": "And I also love for you to shed some light on what happens in the 90 day period." }, { "end_time": "16:29", "start_time": "16:29", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "16:32", "start_time": "16:29", "text": "In terms of what it does to your body, your mind." }, { "end_time": "16:54", "start_time": "16:32", "text": "So so the, the totality of the essence, of the special forces probation is about ringing the the living daylights out of the guy, breaking his, biological clock, and putting him under extreme stress to see how he responds." }, { "end_time": "17:02", "start_time": "16:55", "text": "So the fundamental belief is when you are exposed to stress or and when I say stress, I don't just mean physical stress." }, { "end_time": "17:11", "start_time": "17:02", "text": "Physical stress is an important component of it because prolonged physical stress over extended periods of time starts playing tricks on your mind." }, { "end_time": "17:29", "start_time": "17:12", "text": "And, when the physical stress elevates itself, cumulatively over a period of time and it, and it lowers the ability of your mind to instinctively respond to situations, it's then that they're testing you." }, { "end_time": "17:35", "start_time": "17:29", "text": "So test is not actually the 20 kilometer speed march or the 40 kilometer speed march or the 100 kilometer escape in evasion." }, { "end_time": "17:42", "start_time": "17:35", "text": "But what happens beyond that, that and that's that's the equation that doesn't seem to hit people." }, { "end_time": "17:47", "start_time": "17:42", "text": "And understandably so because the focus is all on the physical part of the stress." }, { "end_time": "17:49", "start_time": "17:47", "text": "It's never on the mental part of the stress." }, { "end_time": "17:58", "start_time": "17:50", "text": "However, the the filter that is applied is not about the physical, not so much about the physical part, but it's much more about the mental part." }, { "end_time": "18:03", "start_time": "17:58", "text": "So in terms of the physical stress that they apply, what are some of, you know, the example of what they put your body through?" }, { "end_time": "18:04", "start_time": "18:03", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "18:08", "start_time": "18:04", "text": "Let let me let me try and, paint to you a typical picture." }, { "end_time": "18:09", "start_time": "18:08", "text": "And this this can vary." }, { "end_time": "18:10", "start_time": "18:09", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "18:11", "start_time": "18:10", "text": "Uh-uh, okay." }, { "end_time": "18:27", "start_time": "18:11", "text": "How a probation is generally carried out is that when I as a volunteer, I'm volunteering for the special forces and, the the MS branch, which is the HR equivalent of the Indian army, it sends out a signal saying that, alright, so and so person reported so and so unit." }, { "end_time": "18:30", "start_time": "18:28", "text": "Your probation starts and so and so date." }, { "end_time": "18:42", "start_time": "18:30", "text": "So when when that connection happens, there is a probation officer, a probation, NCO, a non commissioned officer who is earmarked to conduct the probation." }, { "end_time": "18:45", "start_time": "18:42", "text": "So they aggregate, you know, there there may be soldiers who are coming in." }, { "end_time": "18:59", "start_time": "18:45", "text": "There may be officers who are coming in, you know, from different units, coming in, and they aggregate them so that there is a certain mass that is there because you cannot run probation for 1 or 2 guys, although that also is done." }, { "end_time": "19:09", "start_time": "18:59", "text": "But it's more, time and economics wise, it works that you have, let's say, 18, 20, 50, 30, 40 people, to conduct probation." }, { "end_time": "19:18", "start_time": "19:10", "text": "So it's this core group of 1 officer, 1 non commissioned officer and probably 2, 3 soldiers who conduct the probation for this group." }, { "end_time": "19:31", "start_time": "19:19", "text": "The sole aim of this group is to break the mental structure or, you know, the the biological clock to start with is a biological clock." }, { "end_time": "19:38", "start_time": "19:31", "text": "So you it's there is no certainty about, when certain actions or activities are gonna be conducted." }, { "end_time": "19:43", "start_time": "19:38", "text": "So typically what happens is there's gonna be a lot of elements of physical, fitness." }, { "end_time": "19:43", "start_time": "19:43", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "19:47", "start_time": "19:43", "text": "That there's gonna be a PT or physical training, period." }, { "end_time": "19:53", "start_time": "19:47", "text": "There is going to be some amount of, combat, experiences." }, { "end_time": "19:55", "start_time": "19:53", "text": "There's gonna be some amount of firing." }, { "end_time": "19:58", "start_time": "19:55", "text": "There's gonna be some amount of classes that are gonna be conducted." }, { "end_time": "20:01", "start_time": "19:59", "text": "So these classes could happen at 2 o'clock in the night." }, { "end_time": "20:04", "start_time": "20:01", "text": "It could happen at 7 o'clock in the morning." }, { "end_time": "20:06", "start_time": "20:04", "text": "The PT could be at 12 o'clock in the afternoon." }, { "end_time": "20:08", "start_time": "20:06", "text": "Sometimes they will let you sleep for 6 hours." }, { "end_time": "20:12", "start_time": "20:08", "text": "Sometimes there will be no sleep for 48 hours at all." }, { "end_time": "20:17", "start_time": "20:13", "text": "You could have one meal and the next meal may come 24 hours later." }, { "end_time": "20:22", "start_time": "20:17", "text": "There could be 3 meals fit into 4 hours and then nothing thereafter." }, { "end_time": "20:24", "start_time": "20:22", "text": "So there is no pattern." }, { "end_time": "20:26", "start_time": "20:24", "text": "They break the pattern completely." }, { "end_time": "20:32", "start_time": "20:27", "text": "And you're put under continuous increasing cumulative physical pressure." }, { "end_time": "20:33", "start_time": "20:32", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "20:41", "start_time": "20:33", "text": "And then they inject these classes of technical subjects of demolition, of communication, of navigation, of advanced weapons and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "20:44", "start_time": "20:41", "text": "These are injected in in bits and pieces here and there." }, { "end_time": "20:52", "start_time": "20:45", "text": "And then, over a period of time, when the stress starts to build on you, they conduct tests." }, { "end_time": "20:56", "start_time": "20:53", "text": "So firing, for example, you haven't slept for 48 hours straight." }, { "end_time": "20:58", "start_time": "20:57", "text": "48 hours, not even a wink." }, { "end_time": "21:00", "start_time": "20:58", "text": "They will not let you sleep for 48 hours." }, { "end_time": "21:05", "start_time": "21:00", "text": "There's someone on your case all the time and then you're exposed to firing." }, { "end_time": "21:12", "start_time": "21:05", "text": "So your mental faculties have have your responses, your biological responses are slowed Got it." }, { "end_time": "21:13", "start_time": "21:13", "text": "Are dimmed." }, { "end_time": "21:17", "start_time": "21:14", "text": "How how are you able to fire at that point in time is what they're checking." }, { "end_time": "21:19", "start_time": "21:18", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "21:19", "start_time": "21:19", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "21:28", "start_time": "21:19", "text": "So you classes have been conducted over a period of, let's say, 2 weeks on demolitions, on advanced weapons, and so on and so forth, navigation, whatever." }, { "end_time": "21:31", "start_time": "21:30", "text": "And then there are no tests that are conducted." }, { "end_time": "21:39", "start_time": "21:32", "text": "So when you have been through a 20 kilometer speed march and then PT for 2 hours or whatever else." }, { "end_time": "21:46", "start_time": "21:39", "text": "And then in the night, at about 11 o'clock, suddenly he says he he gives you only half an hour reaction time that you're gonna have a class for this." }, { "end_time": "21:53", "start_time": "21:46", "text": "So you're going then and it's human nature that you you fall asleep because your body is crying for rest." }, { "end_time": "21:54", "start_time": "21:53", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "21:59", "start_time": "21:54", "text": "And that's the instructor doesn't care whether you're awake or you're sleeping or whatever else." }, { "end_time": "21:59", "start_time": "21:59", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "22:01", "start_time": "21:59", "text": "And he's imparting instructions to you." }, { "end_time": "22:03", "start_time": "22:02", "text": "And that's gonna be tested." }, { "end_time": "22:22", "start_time": "22:05", "text": "So how do you overcome cumulative stress both from a physical standpoint, from a mental standpoint, retain focus on the mission is the essence of how the probation is conducted and and that's what where it all leads to." }, { "end_time": "22:22", "start_time": "22:22", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "22:24", "start_time": "22:22", "text": "So don't get me wrong." }, { "end_time": "22:26", "start_time": "22:24", "text": "I'm not saying physical fitness is not important." }, { "end_time": "22:27", "start_time": "22:26", "text": "It's very important." }, { "end_time": "22:30", "start_time": "22:27", "text": "But is physical fitness the only thing?" }, { "end_time": "22:32", "start_time": "22:31", "text": "Absolutely not." }, { "end_time": "22:34", "start_time": "22:32", "text": "So you need there there is a filter that is applied." }, { "end_time": "22:41", "start_time": "22:34", "text": "You need to have certain amount of basic physical fitness levels that you need to have, but that's not what you're actually getting tested on." }, { "end_time": "22:43", "start_time": "22:41", "text": "There are, of course, a 20 kilometers speed march test." }, { "end_time": "22:45", "start_time": "22:43", "text": "There's a 40 kilometer speed march test." }, { "end_time": "22:48", "start_time": "22:45", "text": "There are battle physical efficiency tests." }, { "end_time": "22:52", "start_time": "22:48", "text": "All these are tests, but you could be averaging all of them." }, { "end_time": "22:55", "start_time": "22:52", "text": "And there could be another guy who's excellent at all of that." }, { "end_time": "23:04", "start_time": "22:55", "text": "But when the real tests are conducted, the guy who's excellent on the physical might not be the guy who's excelling, on these tests." }, { "end_time": "23:07", "start_time": "23:04", "text": "Which are the mental, which are the, which are the mental calisthenics." }, { "end_time": "23:13", "start_time": "23:09", "text": "Like, are you allowed to give an example of like the mental test?" }, { "end_time": "23:18", "start_time": "23:13", "text": "So all of these, these are stuff that you have been, imparted instructions on." }, { "end_time": "23:22", "start_time": "23:19", "text": "There are classes, there are technical classes on demolition, for example." }, { "end_time": "23:23", "start_time": "23:23", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "23:28", "start_time": "23:24", "text": "What kind of explosive and what mixture to be used for what target?" }, { "end_time": "23:29", "start_time": "23:28", "text": "How do you get that?" }, { "end_time": "23:31", "start_time": "23:29", "text": "What is the chemical composition of the structure?" }, { "end_time": "23:35", "start_time": "23:31", "text": "So there are fairly technical, in nature." }, { "end_time": "23:36", "start_time": "23:35", "text": "Communication, advanced communication." }, { "end_time": "23:40", "start_time": "23:37", "text": "What what kind of, equipment works in what kind of manner?" }, { "end_time": "23:41", "start_time": "23:40", "text": "Stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "23:43", "start_time": "23:41", "text": "You have been imparted these these instructions." }, { "end_time": "23:45", "start_time": "23:43", "text": "So, you know, it's sort of engineering subjects." }, { "end_time": "23:46", "start_time": "23:46", "text": "Engineering based?" }, { "end_time": "23:47", "start_time": "23:46", "text": "Also." }, { "end_time": "23:48", "start_time": "23:47", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "23:53", "start_time": "23:48", "text": "What are the non engineering based subjects in like the, you know, the theoretical side of things?" }, { "end_time": "23:55", "start_time": "23:53", "text": "Well, not really." }, { "end_time": "23:57", "start_time": "23:55", "text": "There there is no okay." }, { "end_time": "24:16", "start_time": "23:57", "text": "The other the other thing that, I must, bring out here is that a special forces soldier, whether it's a a soldier, a non commissioned officer, or an officer, whoever, a volunteer who also the special forces, one of the base criterion is that he's reasonably well aware of his surroundings." }, { "end_time": "24:17", "start_time": "24:17", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "24:26", "start_time": "24:18", "text": "His ability to to read material, imbibe what's happening, general awareness levels requires to be high." }, { "end_time": "24:29", "start_time": "24:26", "text": "And there is a there is a method behind this madness." }, { "end_time": "24:38", "start_time": "24:29", "text": "To the base observer or even to, a more prolific, person who understands the system, it appears very chaotic." }, { "end_time": "24:48", "start_time": "24:39", "text": "These 90 days is just about physical hammering and, you know, but there's a there's a there's an excellent method behind the madness." }, { "end_time": "24:57", "start_time": "24:49", "text": "In fact, I'd I'd like to, bring out, one typical example and and probably you might be able to correlate." }, { "end_time": "25:10", "start_time": "24:57", "text": "I wonder if you saw this, little clip about, a child who had fallen onto the railway track and one railway employee who had run on the track and gone and picked him up and brought him out." }, { "end_time": "25:10", "start_time": "25:10", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "25:10", "start_time": "25:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:11", "start_time": "25:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:12", "start_time": "25:11", "text": "It's a fabulous example." }, { "end_time": "25:21", "start_time": "25:13", "text": "Really fabulous example because if you take a look at that, clip, and I think the the operative part of that clip is about 14, 15 seconds." }, { "end_time": "25:22", "start_time": "25:22", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "25:25", "start_time": "25:24", "text": "The child falls onto the track." }, { "end_time": "25:32", "start_time": "25:26", "text": "This guy is standing on the platform and he jumps onto the track and he runs." }, { "end_time": "25:35", "start_time": "25:33", "text": "3 seconds into it, he pauses." }, { "end_time": "25:37", "start_time": "25:35", "text": "You can see it actually in the video." }, { "end_time": "25:43", "start_time": "25:37", "text": "He pauses because he's seeing the, train come at him, Right?" }, { "end_time": "25:46", "start_time": "25:43", "text": "And that pause is for just about a fraction of a second." }, { "end_time": "25:49", "start_time": "25:47", "text": "You can see the body language." }, { "end_time": "25:50", "start_time": "25:49", "text": "Should I?" }, { "end_time": "25:51", "start_time": "25:50", "text": "Shouldn't I?" }, { "end_time": "25:53", "start_time": "25:51", "text": "And then he says, hell no." }, { "end_time": "25:54", "start_time": "25:53", "text": "I'm going." }, { "end_time": "26:00", "start_time": "25:55", "text": "He goes in, picks up the child, throws him on the platform, clambers on and the train passes." }, { "end_time": "26:01", "start_time": "26:01", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "26:17", "start_time": "26:01", "text": "So in that 14 to 15 seconds of that clip, 3 seconds to reach that this thing, the point of decision and that, a question mark that is that is so very clearly visible, right, on his mind, I might get killed." }, { "end_time": "26:19", "start_time": "26:18", "text": "It it not just a child." }, { "end_time": "26:24", "start_time": "26:19", "text": "I might get killed as well and in that fraction of a second, he makes a decision." }, { "end_time": "26:29", "start_time": "26:24", "text": "It's a very decisive moment when he decides to go and full force, he goes and picks up the child in this thing." }, { "end_time": "26:31", "start_time": "26:29", "text": "Now this is a very stressful situation." }, { "end_time": "26:40", "start_time": "26:32", "text": "A humongously stressful situation because there cannot be a greater stress than when your own life is on the line and very clearly on the line." }, { "end_time": "26:56", "start_time": "26:41", "text": "So the ability of that person to transcend that decision point, that very critical, very deliberate decision point And he transcends that and he makes up his mind and he goes for it and completes the mission." }, { "end_time": "26:57", "start_time": "26:56", "text": "Mission mission focus." }, { "end_time": "26:58", "start_time": "26:58", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "27:12", "start_time": "26:58", "text": "So if you ask me, this this is typifies what the selection process for, saying subject to extreme pressure, physical, mental, emotional, all kinds, and then see your reactions." }, { "end_time": "27:14", "start_time": "27:12", "text": "This is the typical reaction." }, { "end_time": "27:19", "start_time": "27:14", "text": "So if you ask me this guy, this gentleman who did that activity, is a classic s f hopeful." }, { "end_time": "27:22", "start_time": "27:22", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "27:35", "start_time": "27:22", "text": "And this is exactly you you blow this up into a 100 such different scenarios across a 90 day period where stress is induced and see delivery happening." }, { "end_time": "27:36", "start_time": "27:35", "text": "Multiple situations." }, { "end_time": "27:43", "start_time": "27:38", "text": "So could you take us through what happens when you actually go and begin work on the field?" }, { "end_time": "27:51", "start_time": "27:43", "text": "Like, in terms of when I spoke to, major Jacob, he highlighted how you guys are trained to be in different terrains." }, { "end_time": "27:57", "start_time": "27:51", "text": "And that's also probably an edge that the Indian army has over other armies that we have access to different terrains." }, { "end_time": "28:03", "start_time": "27:57", "text": "So could you take us through this statement a little further in terms of we have jungles, beaches, mountains." }, { "end_time": "28:09", "start_time": "28:03", "text": "So, you know, I'm I'm sure that the whole Indian army is trained to kind of, travels through those situations." }, { "end_time": "28:15", "start_time": "28:09", "text": "But I'm also sure that the special forces are sent possibly deeper into these terrains." }, { "end_time": "28:18", "start_time": "28:17", "text": "Well, you're right." }, { "end_time": "28:20", "start_time": "28:18", "text": "And and Vivek is absolutely right." }, { "end_time": "28:29", "start_time": "28:20", "text": "So the the diversity in the the kind of terrain and the operating conditions that, is offered, in the Indian context is phenomenal." }, { "end_time": "29:14", "start_time": "28:30", "text": "And there's a lot of, and that's that's that's a reason why a lot of foreign armies continuously come and train with us because the kind of exposure that our guys have had, in in different, operating circumstances and the, the terrain and the, other situations is not really comparable from the from, which Raghu has spoken extensively about, Minus, 45 minus 60 degrees centigrade, operating in those kind of, environments, altitudes and temperatures to the deserts of Rajasthan to the jungles of the northeast to, Andaman's and, Lakshadweep, amphibious kind of operations." }, { "end_time": "29:16", "start_time": "29:15", "text": "There is a huge variety." }, { "end_time": "29:17", "start_time": "29:17", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "29:20", "start_time": "29:17", "text": "And once again, you're absolutely right." }, { "end_time": "29:22", "start_time": "29:20", "text": "It's not just a special forces." }, { "end_time": "29:26", "start_time": "29:22", "text": "It's the entire Indian army that operates in all of this." }, { "end_time": "29:30", "start_time": "29:27", "text": "So you you pick up any any unit of the Indian army." }, { "end_time": "29:35", "start_time": "29:30", "text": "An infantry unit, which is operating in, this year." }, { "end_time": "29:37", "start_time": "29:35", "text": "2 years later, it could be in the jungles of the northeast." }, { "end_time": "29:39", "start_time": "29:37", "text": "2 years later, it could be in in Rajasthan." }, { "end_time": "29:44", "start_time": "29:40", "text": "So that kind of diversity is available across the Indian army." }, { "end_time": "29:55", "start_time": "29:45", "text": "But I think, the the difference the key difference is how these forces are employed." }, { "end_time": "30:03", "start_time": "29:56", "text": "So typically, the Indian army or all armies of the world operates in masses, in numbers." }, { "end_time": "30:04", "start_time": "30:03", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "30:09", "start_time": "30:04", "text": "So you have a defined structure, the organizational structure." }, { "end_time": "30:11", "start_time": "30:10", "text": "There is a chain of command there." }, { "end_time": "30:19", "start_time": "30:12", "text": "There is a logistic chain that is trained and organized and maneuvered to keep you sustained." }, { "end_time": "30:20", "start_time": "30:20", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "30:22", "start_time": "30:20", "text": "That's typically how it works." }, { "end_time": "30:27", "start_time": "30:22", "text": "In the special forces, how it operates, however, is that they operate in very small teams." }, { "end_time": "30:33", "start_time": "30:28", "text": "Teams of, 5 men, 6 men, combinations, and multiples thereof." }, { "end_time": "30:34", "start_time": "30:33", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "30:35", "start_time": "30:34", "text": "And that's how they operate." }, { "end_time": "30:43", "start_time": "30:35", "text": "And and typically, in a typical scenario, the special forces teams are supposed to be dropped behind the enemy lines." }, { "end_time": "30:52", "start_time": "30:43", "text": "So it's not where the typically, army to army contact takes place or the the, where where the action actually takes place." }, { "end_time": "30:58", "start_time": "30:52", "text": "But it's behind enemy lines where you have no sustenance for you." }, { "end_time": "31:00", "start_time": "30:58", "text": "You have no logistics makeup." }, { "end_time": "31:06", "start_time": "31:00", "text": "You have just what your set of 5 guys is carrying with them, period." }, { "end_time": "31:10", "start_time": "31:07", "text": "You cannot be in communication because you are behind enemy lines." }, { "end_time": "31:17", "start_time": "31:10", "text": "You're bound to be picked up and then, you know, triangulated and, your your identity established and your location established." }, { "end_time": "31:19", "start_time": "31:18", "text": "So you cannot do that." }, { "end_time": "31:20", "start_time": "31:19", "text": "So you're cut off from communication." }, { "end_time": "31:22", "start_time": "31:20", "text": "You're cut off from logistics sustenance." }, { "end_time": "31:37", "start_time": "31:22", "text": "You're and that's where you need to ensure that every single member of that team is technically proficient, is able to convert efficiency, which they are over a period of time to effectiveness on ground." }, { "end_time": "31:42", "start_time": "31:37", "text": "That's why I mentioned that thing right, up, upfront." }, { "end_time": "31:48", "start_time": "31:42", "text": "That the the ability to convert efficiency to effectiveness is what actually defines, special forces." }, { "end_time": "32:02", "start_time": "31:50", "text": "So it's many of these things that the ability to work on a very stressful, very, adverse conditions out in the field behind enemy lines where you could be picked up at any point in time." }, { "end_time": "32:05", "start_time": "32:02", "text": "That's the kind of, thing that defines the special forces." }, { "end_time": "32:07", "start_time": "32:05", "text": "And that's where camaraderie comes in as well." }, { "end_time": "32:08", "start_time": "32:08", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "32:13", "start_time": "32:08", "text": "Because life and death, these 5 guys against the entire army." }, { "end_time": "32:14", "start_time": "32:14", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "32:16", "start_time": "32:14", "text": "And you're in their land." }, { "end_time": "32:16", "start_time": "32:16", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "32:23", "start_time": "32:16", "text": "So that's where it I I I'm in, you know, incidentally, do you have you seen this movie called The Lone Survivor?" }, { "end_time": "32:24", "start_time": "32:24", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "32:25", "start_time": "32:24", "text": "But I do intend on it." }, { "end_time": "32:27", "start_time": "32:25", "text": "It's Mark Wahlberg and it's about Iraq." }, { "end_time": "32:27", "start_time": "32:27", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "32:28", "start_time": "32:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:28", "start_time": "32:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:28", "start_time": "32:28", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "32:29", "start_time": "32:28", "text": "It's about Afghanistan." }, { "end_time": "32:30", "start_time": "32:29", "text": "Afghanistan, I'm sorry." }, { "end_time": "32:33", "start_time": "32:30", "text": "It's, about a seal team that's similar." }, { "end_time": "32:40", "start_time": "32:33", "text": "It's a 4 man team that's dropped behind enemy lines as a recon mission, and they get into trouble." }, { "end_time": "32:45", "start_time": "32:40", "text": "And the the whole movie, it's a real life story about how they're extracted back." }, { "end_time": "32:47", "start_time": "32:45", "text": "And this one guy survives." }, { "end_time": "32:48", "start_time": "32:47", "text": "So it's a beautiful movie." }, { "end_time": "32:55", "start_time": "32:48", "text": "I mean, I could relate to that movie frame by frame because each frame of that movie reminds me of Kashmir." }, { "end_time": "32:58", "start_time": "32:56", "text": "It's actually like, you know, it's not Afghanistan." }, { "end_time": "32:59", "start_time": "32:59", "text": "It's actually Kashmir." }, { "end_time": "33:07", "start_time": "33:01", "text": "This is so people who haven't seen the movie, it's one movie on Netflix, very strongly recommended." }, { "end_time": "33:12", "start_time": "33:08", "text": "It's a real picture of what a special forces life Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "33:13", "start_time": "33:12", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "33:31", "start_time": "33:13", "text": "I think, I think there there is a great amount of, identity that I could establish, with the terrain, with with the technical proficiency in how the movie is actually captured, in, some of the more of the tactical stuff that happens on the ground." }, { "end_time": "33:33", "start_time": "33:32", "text": "Phenomenal." }, { "end_time": "33:41", "start_time": "33:34", "text": "So in that 5 person team, how do they actually construct the team and how do they choose a captain or whatever of that unit?" }, { "end_time": "33:44", "start_time": "33:41", "text": "So there's a lot of democratization that happens within that team." }, { "end_time": "33:53", "start_time": "33:44", "text": "So once you're in that team, actually, there is a leader, there is a hierarchy that's defined, but it's flattened out." }, { "end_time": "33:54", "start_time": "33:53", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "33:54", "start_time": "33:54", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "34:03", "start_time": "33:54", "text": "Because as far as the team is concerned, if there is going to be a vertical hierarchy that is going to be established, that team cannot function." }, { "end_time": "34:15", "start_time": "34:04", "text": "In fact, let me just step back and say one more very, very interesting stuff about, the manner in which the selection is actually carried out, in the in the special forces probation." }, { "end_time": "34:24", "start_time": "34:16", "text": "So when the probation is carried out, like I said, there is a probation officer, there is a probation in CO, and there are probably 2, 3 soldiers." }, { "end_time": "34:38", "start_time": "34:24", "text": "And then, the entire process of probation is carried out and each of these tests, physical, technical, mental, agility, firing, everything else, everything is put on paper and his performance is kind of mapped." }, { "end_time": "34:40", "start_time": "34:38", "text": "And it's a very, very scientific way of doing it." }, { "end_time": "34:48", "start_time": "34:40", "text": "It's everything is, brought on paper and then it's put before a board that then sits and decides whether this guy is okay or not." }, { "end_time": "34:53", "start_time": "34:50", "text": "Well, technically, the the commanding officer of the unit has got a veto." }, { "end_time": "34:55", "start_time": "34:54", "text": "He can say yes or no." }, { "end_time": "34:59", "start_time": "34:55", "text": "It is respect to how the others feel, but it's it's very, very seldom used." }, { "end_time": "35:08", "start_time": "35:01", "text": "If that person if the probationer, is found to be deficient by anyone on that to the Singh." }, { "end_time": "35:15", "start_time": "35:08", "text": "So the junior most soldier who can say sub He could be the best, fighter." }, { "end_time": "35:20", "start_time": "35:15", "text": "He could be, physically, he could be John Rambo." }, { "end_time": "35:23", "start_time": "35:21", "text": "He could be anything else." }, { "end_time": "35:23", "start_time": "35:23", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "35:34", "start_time": "35:23", "text": "Technically, he could be proficient, but if that guy feels, and these are all very hardened soldiers, combat experienced and solid guys who would not say no just for the heck of it." }, { "end_time": "35:35", "start_time": "35:34", "text": "He doesn't like him." }, { "end_time": "35:35", "start_time": "35:35", "text": "He doesn't like him." }, { "end_time": "35:38", "start_time": "35:35", "text": "He doesn't matter." }, { "end_time": "35:39", "start_time": "35:39", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "35:46", "start_time": "35:39", "text": "For him, what matters is, is this guy capable of going into combat with if I go if I'm part of this guy's team, will I come back alive?" }, { "end_time": "35:48", "start_time": "35:46", "text": "That's the question that he applies." }, { "end_time": "35:53", "start_time": "35:48", "text": "And these 90 days that he sees him stripped bare is enough for him to make up his mind." }, { "end_time": "36:02", "start_time": "35:55", "text": "So usually everybody is in sync because they they actually seen the guy through and through the guy." }, { "end_time": "36:03", "start_time": "36:02", "text": "You can wear the best clothes." }, { "end_time": "36:10", "start_time": "36:03", "text": "You can have, an exterior that's primed and polished in this thing like in on social media." }, { "end_time": "36:11", "start_time": "36:11", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "36:15", "start_time": "36:11", "text": "But when you go through provision, it's all stripped clean." }, { "end_time": "36:23", "start_time": "36:15", "text": "You're stripped clean to your bones and the essence of your character, the deep recess of your character is fully exposed." }, { "end_time": "36:35", "start_time": "36:24", "text": "And so the democratization that I was talking about, the soldier, the junior most soldier, he's got the right to stand up and say, And he's rejected." }, { "end_time": "36:47", "start_time": "36:35", "text": "So everything that is on paper could say that he is fantastic but yet there is a gut feel of that soldier who is not comfortable with this Saab being with him on the team." }, { "end_time": "36:48", "start_time": "36:47", "text": "Does that actually happen?" }, { "end_time": "36:48", "start_time": "36:48", "text": "It does." }, { "end_time": "36:49", "start_time": "36:48", "text": "Oh, wow." }, { "end_time": "36:50", "start_time": "36:49", "text": "I've seen it in my own unit." }, { "end_time": "36:54", "start_time": "36:51", "text": "I've seen it in my own unit where a guy was phenomenal." }, { "end_time": "36:57", "start_time": "36:55", "text": "His records were just outstanding." }, { "end_time": "37:05", "start_time": "36:58", "text": "And if there was not this and in that particular case, it was not just 1, but 2 guys who said, can you say?" }, { "end_time": "37:13", "start_time": "37:06", "text": "I don't think, so, you know, in in in subsequent, situations also, people come up." }, { "end_time": "37:24", "start_time": "37:13", "text": "And it's it's not a very, regular occurrence, but the odd occurrence takes place where a guy will come up and say, Wow." }, { "end_time": "37:29", "start_time": "37:24", "text": "So when you say it means that he attracts fire for no reason." }, { "end_time": "37:33", "start_time": "37:30", "text": "He's not the guy I'm comfortable with going into combat with." }, { "end_time": "37:36", "start_time": "37:34", "text": "So it could be a technical deficiency." }, { "end_time": "37:38", "start_time": "37:36", "text": "It could be a character deficiency." }, { "end_time": "37:41", "start_time": "37:38", "text": "It could be a physical fitness deficiency." }, { "end_time": "37:43", "start_time": "37:41", "text": "It could be deficiency that's in different forms." }, { "end_time": "37:45", "start_time": "37:43", "text": "But this guy is not gonna tell you any of that." }, { "end_time": "37:47", "start_time": "37:45", "text": "He's not gonna get technical about it." }, { "end_time": "37:53", "start_time": "37:47", "text": "He just expresses to you combat with Janek." }, { "end_time": "37:55", "start_time": "37:54", "text": "I'm not too happy." }, { "end_time": "37:58", "start_time": "37:57", "text": "Speaking about combat." }, { "end_time": "38:05", "start_time": "37:58", "text": "So, again, a lot of people have saving, private Ryan as, like, a reference when it comes to army movies." }, { "end_time": "38:08", "start_time": "38:05", "text": "So other units also constructed with, like, people with different skills." }, { "end_time": "38:09", "start_time": "38:08", "text": "That's like one sniper." }, { "end_time": "38:14", "start_time": "38:10", "text": "Someone who's great at, like, ambushing someone who's like a demolitions export." }, { "end_time": "38:17", "start_time": "38:14", "text": "Other teams constructed in a particular way depending on the mission like that." }, { "end_time": "38:18", "start_time": "38:17", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "38:18", "start_time": "38:18", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "38:22", "start_time": "38:18", "text": "In fact, there are 5 what's called the primary skills." }, { "end_time": "38:30", "start_time": "38:22", "text": "Like, I I mentioned it earlier, in terms of, demolitions, communication, navigation, medical, and advanced weapons." }, { "end_time": "38:42", "start_time": "38:31", "text": "So typically these are these 5 skills and when you call a team, a 5 man team, the rational is that every single member of the team is is a master at one of these skills." }, { "end_time": "38:43", "start_time": "38:42", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "38:49", "start_time": "38:43", "text": "And a second guy is, has got, working, expertise Got it." }, { "end_time": "38:50", "start_time": "38:49", "text": "In all these fight." }, { "end_time": "38:52", "start_time": "38:50", "text": "That's how this team is stitched together." }, { "end_time": "38:53", "start_time": "38:52", "text": "What is advanced weapons?" }, { "end_time": "38:55", "start_time": "38:53", "text": "Like, is it like futuristic weapons?" }, { "end_time": "38:56", "start_time": "38:55", "text": "What is it?" }, { "end_time": "39:02", "start_time": "38:56", "text": "The ability to be, improvising and utilizing weapons as in when they appear, wherever." }, { "end_time": "39:08", "start_time": "39:03", "text": "So like I said, you know, it's most of it is it's constructed to be working behind enemy lines." }, { "end_time": "39:11", "start_time": "39:08", "text": "So you you you're carrying the weapons that you're carrying." }, { "end_time": "39:12", "start_time": "39:11", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "39:20", "start_time": "39:12", "text": "But then you may have the ability or the opportunity to be using an op a weapon that the enemy has got or the terrorists has got." }, { "end_time": "39:25", "start_time": "39:20", "text": "So this guy is expected to be proficient in all weapons across the world." }, { "end_time": "39:28", "start_time": "39:25", "text": "The rest of us are proficient in the weapons that we carry." }, { "end_time": "39:34", "start_time": "39:28", "text": "But this guy, any weapon, any way he can strip clean it and, put it back in 45 seconds." }, { "end_time": "39:35", "start_time": "39:34", "text": "It's probably an intuitive skill." }, { "end_time": "39:35", "start_time": "39:35", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "39:36", "start_time": "39:35", "text": "Also." }, { "end_time": "39:37", "start_time": "39:37", "text": "Also." }, { "end_time": "39:45", "start_time": "39:37", "text": "Sometimes when I'm talking to special person personnel as a viewer, as in a part of the armed gender, I have so many movie like questions." }, { "end_time": "39:48", "start_time": "39:46", "text": "Have you ever gotten injured yourself in an operation?" }, { "end_time": "39:49", "start_time": "39:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "39:57", "start_time": "39:49", "text": "So I'm one of the guys who made it out of the, out of my service without getting Apple." }, { "end_time": "40:00", "start_time": "39:57", "text": "The odd injury here there, but no no bullet injury." }, { "end_time": "40:03", "start_time": "40:00", "text": "But you've seen it obviously in your team?" }, { "end_time": "40:04", "start_time": "40:03", "text": "Very close quarters." }, { "end_time": "40:05", "start_time": "40:04", "text": "Many of them." }, { "end_time": "40:08", "start_time": "40:05", "text": "Are you are you allowed to describe sort of what happens?" }, { "end_time": "40:16", "start_time": "40:08", "text": "Like So I I had written about this colleague of mine, a dear friend, Deepinder Singh." }, { "end_time": "40:17", "start_time": "40:16", "text": "I don't know if you heard of him." }, { "end_time": "40:20", "start_time": "40:18", "text": "Very, very, interesting story." }, { "end_time": "40:25", "start_time": "40:20", "text": "In fact, that's been, and I and I wrote this about, I think, 6, 7 years back." }, { "end_time": "40:37", "start_time": "40:26", "text": "He got shot, while, we were operating in the northeast in Assam, And then he recovered, and then, we went into Cargill and came back from Cargill, and then he was shot again." }, { "end_time": "40:46", "start_time": "40:38", "text": "And, cumulatively, he had about 7 bullets in his body in the space of about 3 years, two and a half, 3 years." }, { "end_time": "40:51", "start_time": "40:47", "text": "And of course the second time around, the doctors told him that he'll never walk again." }, { "end_time": "40:54", "start_time": "40:51", "text": "And, how this guy then switched track." }, { "end_time": "41:00", "start_time": "40:55", "text": "He, he of course could continue in the army, but that's not what he wanted to do." }, { "end_time": "41:03", "start_time": "41:00", "text": "You know, special forces and cutting edge soldier." }, { "end_time": "41:06", "start_time": "41:03", "text": "He doesn't wanna be sitting behind a desk peddling files." }, { "end_time": "41:12", "start_time": "41:07", "text": "That's what he would do if he were so he decided to quit and then he went in, from nothing." }, { "end_time": "41:21", "start_time": "41:12", "text": "So he's from the signing school, signing school Riva, and, he had nothing in his life other than forge and then SF." }, { "end_time": "41:22", "start_time": "41:22", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "41:23", "start_time": "41:22", "text": "And that's what he did." }, { "end_time": "41:29", "start_time": "41:23", "text": "And at 32, 33 or something like that, he decided that he has to carve out a fresh career for himself." }, { "end_time": "41:32", "start_time": "41:29", "text": "He did not know what that was." }, { "end_time": "41:34", "start_time": "41:33", "text": "But he decided to give it a shot." }, { "end_time": "41:35", "start_time": "41:34", "text": "So he asked around." }, { "end_time": "41:37", "start_time": "41:35", "text": "People told him about, MBA." }, { "end_time": "41:42", "start_time": "41:37", "text": "MBA if you want to, you know, so this guy decided to take the cat." }, { "end_time": "41:44", "start_time": "41:42", "text": "He's prepared for a year while on the bed." }, { "end_time": "41:46", "start_time": "41:45", "text": "Could not walk, could not move." }, { "end_time": "41:56", "start_time": "41:49", "text": "He gave the cat, he got a call from IMA, B, C and L went to IMA, topped that place, came out." }, { "end_time": "41:58", "start_time": "41:56", "text": "Now he's with Microsoft in the US." }, { "end_time": "41:59", "start_time": "41:59", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "42:01", "start_time": "41:59", "text": "That's an example of special forces." }, { "end_time": "42:02", "start_time": "42:01", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:02", "start_time": "42:02", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "42:02", "start_time": "42:02", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "42:03", "start_time": "42:02", "text": "Moldable." }, { "end_time": "42:04", "start_time": "42:03", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "42:17", "start_time": "42:04", "text": "So the adaptability that you will never ever give up no matter what, no matter what circumstance you're thrown into, you will find a way to land on your feet and work your way through." }, { "end_time": "42:17", "start_time": "42:17", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "42:23", "start_time": "42:18", "text": "And I understand that there's a sense of brotherhood when there's that 5 man unit, 6 man unit." }, { "end_time": "42:25", "start_time": "42:23", "text": "I've heard this from both captain Ragu and Major Jacob." }, { "end_time": "42:27", "start_time": "42:25", "text": "I'm sure even you would echo that same thoughts." }, { "end_time": "42:32", "start_time": "42:27", "text": "So so if you see a teammate who's gotten hit, what's the whole mindset of the team?" }, { "end_time": "42:33", "start_time": "42:32", "text": "Is there like more anger?" }, { "end_time": "42:35", "start_time": "42:33", "text": "Is there protection towards that guy?" }, { "end_time": "42:37", "start_time": "42:35", "text": "What's his mindset like when he gets hit?" }, { "end_time": "42:37", "start_time": "42:37", "text": "Yeah, Of course." }, { "end_time": "42:39", "start_time": "42:37", "text": "There there is there is emotion." }, { "end_time": "42:42", "start_time": "42:39", "text": "It's never easy to see, somebody that you're working with." }, { "end_time": "42:44", "start_time": "42:43", "text": "It's it's brotherhood." }, { "end_time": "42:44", "start_time": "42:44", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "42:46", "start_time": "42:45", "text": "I think you used the right term." }, { "end_time": "42:54", "start_time": "42:47", "text": "It's, it's it binds people in the team stronger than how, families abound." }, { "end_time": "42:55", "start_time": "42:54", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "42:57", "start_time": "42:55", "text": "It's it's a very, very strong intense binding." }, { "end_time": "42:59", "start_time": "42:57", "text": "And in fact, you know, the this is the thing." }, { "end_time": "43:08", "start_time": "42:59", "text": "So once I, hung up my uniform and transitioned to the to the corporate world, This is what I've been trying to do." }, { "end_time": "43:17", "start_time": "43:08", "text": "Of course, it's it's a very very difficult process, because the the, mitigating circumstances in both situations are a bit completely chalk and cheese." }, { "end_time": "43:17", "start_time": "43:17", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "43:18", "start_time": "43:17", "text": "Totally different." }, { "end_time": "43:24", "start_time": "43:19", "text": "But the operating philosophy is this, that, you know, you look at your own life." }, { "end_time": "43:34", "start_time": "43:25", "text": "You go out party with your friends, you enjoy, there's something that brings you immense happiness That lasts for a week, a month, a year, couple of years." }, { "end_time": "43:38", "start_time": "43:35", "text": "But 20 years down the line, you might not quite remember that." }, { "end_time": "43:59", "start_time": "43:39", "text": "But if you're put through an excruciating, life threatening situation with 3 or 4 other guys, which has dramatically altered your way, your thinking, it has it has pushed you to the brink of, knowing whether you live past this or not." }, { "end_time": "44:09", "start_time": "44:00", "text": "That's something that will not you will remember every every, instant of that, event in chronological sequence 20 years down the line." }, { "end_time": "44:11", "start_time": "44:09", "text": "That's exactly what this happens." }, { "end_time": "44:20", "start_time": "44:11", "text": "So the the bottom line is this, that teams tend to do well when they are put through stressful conditions, situations." }, { "end_time": "44:23", "start_time": "44:20", "text": "That's that's the glue that binds teams together." }, { "end_time": "44:26", "start_time": "44:24", "text": "And that glue cannot be shaken off." }, { "end_time": "44:26", "start_time": "44:26", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "44:28", "start_time": "44:26", "text": "Even in the corporate world?" }, { "end_time": "44:28", "start_time": "44:28", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "44:30", "start_time": "44:29", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "44:34", "start_time": "44:31", "text": "So, well, let me qualify that." }, { "end_time": "44:38", "start_time": "44:35", "text": "Like I said, the mitigating circumstances are different." }, { "end_time": "44:48", "start_time": "44:39", "text": "If that is going to be for a higher cause, for a cause larger than just the money that accompanies it, yes." }, { "end_time": "44:52", "start_time": "44:49", "text": "If it is not, I'm not too sure." }, { "end_time": "45:01", "start_time": "44:55", "text": "When you look back at your military career, right, is there one story that, kind of rings in your head?" }, { "end_time": "45:02", "start_time": "45:01", "text": "One story." }, { "end_time": "45:04", "start_time": "45:02", "text": "I can never bring it down to one story." }, { "end_time": "45:06", "start_time": "45:05", "text": "A couple of 100 stories." }, { "end_time": "45:11", "start_time": "45:06", "text": "I mean, we would love to hear, you know, at least if you could shed light on some of them." }, { "end_time": "45:13", "start_time": "45:11", "text": "I think that's something that will stay with the audiences forever." }, { "end_time": "45:15", "start_time": "45:14", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "45:17", "start_time": "45:15", "text": "So, yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:20", "start_time": "45:17", "text": "I mean, I so I I told you the story of Sanger." }, { "end_time": "45:21", "start_time": "45:20", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "45:28", "start_time": "45:21", "text": "And, incidentally, Sanger's story has been picked up by the film world and they converted into a movie, Zipki Jeet or something like that." }, { "end_time": "45:38", "start_time": "45:29", "text": "Quite frankly, I I was very upset with the way the characterization has been done and the quality of this thing." }, { "end_time": "45:48", "start_time": "45:38", "text": "So if I were to put, The Lone Survivor and Zitkajeet on, you know, chalk and cheese." }, { "end_time": "45:48", "start_time": "45:48", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "45:57", "start_time": "45:48", "text": "So here is a beautiful story that it quite did not kind of, come across on on, on the on the screen." }, { "end_time": "45:59", "start_time": "45:57", "text": "The manner that it should have." }, { "end_time": "46:07", "start_time": "46:00", "text": "But anyway, so there there is this is a story that I'd like to share about when I did my probation." }, { "end_time": "46:08", "start_time": "46:08", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "46:19", "start_time": "46:08", "text": "So typically the probation is 90 days And on the 89th day, there is something called, the escape and evasion exercise that's carried out." }, { "end_time": "46:20", "start_time": "46:19", "text": "This is during training?" }, { "end_time": "46:21", "start_time": "46:20", "text": "The the probation." }, { "end_time": "46:22", "start_time": "46:21", "text": "The probation period." }, { "end_time": "46:23", "start_time": "46:22", "text": "9 90 day period." }, { "end_time": "46:27", "start_time": "46:24", "text": "And that's the the culmination." }, { "end_time": "46:29", "start_time": "46:28", "text": "So that's the last test." }, { "end_time": "46:37", "start_time": "46:30", "text": "So what happens is, all the probationers are are broken down into body pairs to people, and then you're stripped." }, { "end_time": "46:37", "start_time": "46:37", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "46:48", "start_time": "46:37", "text": "To ensure that you're not carrying any money with you, no water, no, maps, no I mean, nothing else except for the clothes that you're wearing." }, { "end_time": "46:57", "start_time": "46:49", "text": "So you strip down to your underwear and you're checked, and then you're allowed to wear your dungri or your overalls with your shoes." }, { "end_time": "46:58", "start_time": "46:57", "text": "And that's it." }, { "end_time": "47:13", "start_time": "46:59", "text": "And then you are, left off from one point, and then you have to travel 100 kilometers, on your feet, and get to the reporting, point." }, { "end_time": "47:19", "start_time": "47:14", "text": "And there would be ambushes en route, which, will kinda try and pick you up." }, { "end_time": "47:20", "start_time": "47:19", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "47:23", "start_time": "47:20", "text": "So it they just they just replicating and escape innovation." }, { "end_time": "47:26", "start_time": "47:23", "text": "So you're a prisoner of war in the enemy come country." }, { "end_time": "47:30", "start_time": "47:26", "text": "You were, operating with the team there that you've been picked up and you're prisoner of war." }, { "end_time": "47:36", "start_time": "47:30", "text": "And now you are finding a way back from this thing across the border to your own clan." }, { "end_time": "47:39", "start_time": "47:36", "text": "So there are you know, that that's that's the, play." }, { "end_time": "47:43", "start_time": "47:41", "text": "You have to make this in 24 hours." }, { "end_time": "47:44", "start_time": "47:44", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "47:51", "start_time": "47:44", "text": "You cannot afford to take, a lift on a vehicle or anything else which makes immediate, expulsion." }, { "end_time": "47:56", "start_time": "47:53", "text": "And, so that's the other thing." }, { "end_time": "47:57", "start_time": "47:56", "text": "It's it's a test of your integrity." }, { "end_time": "47:59", "start_time": "47:57", "text": "It's a test of your physical fitness." }, { "end_time": "48:03", "start_time": "47:59", "text": "It's your test of sense of navigation, direction finding and all of that." }, { "end_time": "48:05", "start_time": "48:03", "text": "Because you don't even have a compass for a Nothing." }, { "end_time": "48:05", "start_time": "48:05", "text": "Nothing at all." }, { "end_time": "48:09", "start_time": "48:05", "text": "So you do astro navigation and, you know, general Through the stars." }, { "end_time": "48:09", "start_time": "48:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:10", "start_time": "48:09", "text": "Through the stars." }, { "end_time": "48:13", "start_time": "48:10", "text": "General line of direction and and hope for the best." }, { "end_time": "48:14", "start_time": "48:14", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "48:19", "start_time": "48:16", "text": "And I'm guessing you climb on trees to, like, save yourself during for rest." }, { "end_time": "48:22", "start_time": "48:20", "text": "Like Hell no." }, { "end_time": "48:23", "start_time": "48:22", "text": "You just lie on the ground." }, { "end_time": "48:24", "start_time": "48:23", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "48:25", "start_time": "48:24", "text": "You just lie on the ground." }, { "end_time": "48:34", "start_time": "48:25", "text": "So this particular incident happened, in, Dehradun, where you're you're trans you're transitioning from one side of the valley to the other side of the valley." }, { "end_time": "48:35", "start_time": "48:35", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "48:43", "start_time": "48:37", "text": "So we we went there and and my buddy and me, a soldier, a simple fellow." }, { "end_time": "48:47", "start_time": "48:43", "text": "And, he came from the Maratha light infantry, so did I." }, { "end_time": "48:49", "start_time": "48:47", "text": "I was in the Maratha light infantry earlier." }, { "end_time": "48:53", "start_time": "48:49", "text": "So, we both started off and then initially full of Josh." }, { "end_time": "48:53", "start_time": "48:53", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "48:57", "start_time": "48:53", "text": "You running and the singing and and ensuring that you don't get caught and all of that." }, { "end_time": "49:04", "start_time": "48:57", "text": "So you go to you climb over 2 mountain ranges and the reporting point is on the other side." }, { "end_time": "49:27", "start_time": "49:05", "text": "So we went through all of that and, and there was a thunderstorm that night and there's no light, and you're climbing up this mountain face, with water just belting down, and you're, you know, holding on to dry tops of grass and branches and stuff like that and climbing." }, { "end_time": "49:31", "start_time": "49:27", "text": "And probably there was light, you would claim that way because, you know, it does sheer drop." }, { "end_time": "49:36", "start_time": "49:32", "text": "But anyway, we climbed and we we we we did, I think, about 85, 90 kilometers." }, { "end_time": "49:39", "start_time": "49:36", "text": "And by then, I was I was pooped." }, { "end_time": "49:46", "start_time": "49:40", "text": "The cumulative effect of 89 days of, of, probation related stress, it just got to me." }, { "end_time": "49:49", "start_time": "49:47", "text": "And I just, sat down." }, { "end_time": "49:53", "start_time": "49:49", "text": "I knew that I couldn't walk a step beyond and I just sat down there." }, { "end_time": "49:58", "start_time": "49:54", "text": "And somewhere in the distance, I could hear probably 3, 4, 4 kilometres away." }, { "end_time": "50:04", "start_time": "49:58", "text": "I could hear a highway kind of the things, so trucks movement and all light, you could pick up the, thing." }, { "end_time": "50:22", "start_time": "50:04", "text": "So I told this guy, I said, and we'll get into a vehicle and do whatever kilometer, then we'll get off and then last 2 kilometers will somehow make it." }, { "end_time": "50:23", "start_time": "50:22", "text": "We had adequate time." }, { "end_time": "50:42", "start_time": "50:41", "text": "It's an enemy." }, { "end_time": "50:52", "start_time": "50:42", "text": "Go and do it because, the the thing about probation is if one of you falters, if you don't make it, just you getting across the line doesn't help." }, { "end_time": "50:54", "start_time": "50:52", "text": "You have to get together as a team." }, { "end_time": "50:55", "start_time": "50:55", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "50:59", "start_time": "50:55", "text": "So you pay for the mistakes of your buddy." }, { "end_time": "51:12", "start_time": "50:59", "text": "And that that the underlying principle is when you're in combat operations behind the enemy lines, you need to trust your buddy, and you need to ensure that something that you do, you're gonna the effects of that are gonna be felt by the other guy as well." }, { "end_time": "51:13", "start_time": "51:12", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "51:28", "start_time": "51:14", "text": "So he said, so after a protracted exchange, I'm just just compressing it, he told me So that I have MCBC, you know, I am a bloody officer to the lab." }, { "end_time": "51:29", "start_time": "51:29", "text": "All of that." }, { "end_time": "51:32", "start_time": "51:30", "text": "I am bloody well ordering you go and raise top of the vehicle." }, { "end_time": "51:42", "start_time": "51:34", "text": "He loosened up his dungri, sat down beside me." }, { "end_time": "52:05", "start_time": "51:52", "text": "And then, the last 10 kilometers, he pushed me, carried me, cajoled me, pulled me, did all that it takes to get me across the finish line." }, { "end_time": "52:11", "start_time": "52:06", "text": "And this is the enduring part and and, you know, so I have been to his house, in Himachal." }, { "end_time": "52:14", "start_time": "52:11", "text": "I have spent, 2 nights there." }, { "end_time": "52:16", "start_time": "52:14", "text": "I've attended his wedding." }, { "end_time": "52:20", "start_time": "52:18", "text": "These are these are things that you never forget." }, { "end_time": "52:20", "start_time": "52:20", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "52:43", "start_time": "52:21", "text": "These are just carry forwards that, and that the binding is so strong that when you're in a combat operation and the bullets are flying and you're, you know, active firefights, there are no words exchanged and there are no, formal declarations or, protocols that are signed." }, { "end_time": "52:50", "start_time": "52:43", "text": "But I know that if I get hit, that this guy, Shamraj, is gonna pick me up and get me home." }, { "end_time": "52:52", "start_time": "52:50", "text": "I might not be alive, but my body will come back." }, { "end_time": "52:55", "start_time": "52:54", "text": "And I don't have to tell to him either." }, { "end_time": "52:57", "start_time": "52:55", "text": "He knows he's not going to be there." }, { "end_time": "53:00", "start_time": "52:59", "text": "Yeah?" }, { "end_time": "53:10", "start_time": "53:00", "text": "So this is the kind of binding that that is over over, continuous exposure to to stressful combat situations that just binds teams together." }, { "end_time": "53:12", "start_time": "53:10", "text": "And this is not about 2 people." }, { "end_time": "53:14", "start_time": "53:12", "text": "It's about 5 people, it's about 10 people." }, { "end_time": "53:20", "start_time": "53:14", "text": "So the camaraderie that exists in a in a special forces unit far exceeds what happens in a regular unit." }, { "end_time": "53:26", "start_time": "53:21", "text": "And what happens in a regular unit far exceeds what happens, in in life in general." }, { "end_time": "53:26", "start_time": "53:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "53:33", "start_time": "53:27", "text": "If I may ask you a story from, you know, the active, an active combat situation." }, { "end_time": "53:35", "start_time": "53:34", "text": "But, yeah." }, { "end_time": "53:42", "start_time": "53:35", "text": "So I think I could, speak about and I've spoken about this in in a couple of TEDx talks that I did and all that." }, { "end_time": "53:50", "start_time": "53:43", "text": "One of the things that stays with me is how unprepared you are for your first real exposure to active fire." }, { "end_time": "53:51", "start_time": "53:50", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "53:57", "start_time": "53:51", "text": "So you, the amount of firing that we do at the ranges, in preparation is just phenomenal." }, { "end_time": "54:05", "start_time": "54:00", "text": "Hundreds of thousands of, hours of firing, incessant, firing that happens." }, { "end_time": "54:10", "start_time": "54:05", "text": "And yet, in that first exposure, your senses get dulled." }, { "end_time": "54:12", "start_time": "54:11", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "54:30", "start_time": "54:12", "text": "You know, you're not still operating on on peak the same because the fact that there is another guy across who's firing back at you with the intent to kill you is is is something that kind of, dulls your senses and you take a little bit of time to, get accustomed to that." }, { "end_time": "54:37", "start_time": "54:32", "text": "So, this is in in Kashmir in, Kupura." }, { "end_time": "54:38", "start_time": "54:37", "text": "There's this place called the Lulav Valley." }, { "end_time": "54:42", "start_time": "54:39", "text": "Lulaab, incidentally, very interesting side story." }, { "end_time": "54:48", "start_time": "54:43", "text": "Lulaab is a small little valley near Kupora, near the line of control." }, { "end_time": "54:58", "start_time": "54:51", "text": "The guys in the SF, or at least in my unit, we used to call it the land of love and beauty, l o l a b." }, { "end_time": "55:04", "start_time": "54:58", "text": "We made an acronym for it, land of love and beauty because the sweetest apples grow there in the whole of Kashmir." }, { "end_time": "55:11", "start_time": "55:04", "text": "The girls are the prettiest, and the fiercest of militants from across generally come and tend to rest here." }, { "end_time": "55:19", "start_time": "55:11", "text": "And typically, there's always this, this struggle between the SF teams who gets to operate in Loulag." }, { "end_time": "55:24", "start_time": "55:20", "text": "So everybody's wanting to operate there because land of love and beauty." }, { "end_time": "55:29", "start_time": "55:27", "text": "So, it doesn't Lola." }, { "end_time": "55:36", "start_time": "55:29", "text": "And, I remember this, saying because these 2 guys, were and, were my lead scouts." }, { "end_time": "55:44", "start_time": "55:36", "text": "So we we go in a certain formation when we're going up, the hill, deep, thick jungles." }, { "end_time": "55:55", "start_time": "55:45", "text": "And then suddenly, from the left, 11 o'clock, area, right, uphill, there's a burst of fire." }, { "end_time": "55:59", "start_time": "55:57", "text": "Typically, you can make out that it's an AK 47 burst." }, { "end_time": "56:01", "start_time": "55:59", "text": "You know, it just opened up." }, { "end_time": "56:06", "start_time": "56:01", "text": "And, these 2 guys and these 2 guys were battle hardened veterans." }, { "end_time": "56:06", "start_time": "56:06", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "56:10", "start_time": "56:06", "text": "They've been in a lot of, of firefights." }, { "end_time": "56:14", "start_time": "56:11", "text": "For me, this was my first exposure to live firefight." }, { "end_time": "56:28", "start_time": "56:14", "text": "Although, you know, this is almost 4 years of, soldiering where you're not dancing and, just about I think 4 months of, having completed my probation and getting into the SF." }, { "end_time": "56:32", "start_time": "56:28", "text": "An SF soldier generally is exposed to any amount of fire fights." }, { "end_time": "56:33", "start_time": "56:32", "text": "So this was my first." }, { "end_time": "56:40", "start_time": "56:35", "text": "And, so we, you know, it's I think muscle memory." }, { "end_time": "56:48", "start_time": "56:40", "text": "You you lie down and you know, get hit the ground and then try and this thing and these guys went about the drill in perfect sequence." }, { "end_time": "56:48", "start_time": "56:48", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "56:50", "start_time": "56:48", "text": "They know exactly how to do it and all that." }, { "end_time": "57:00", "start_time": "56:51", "text": "And I was behind this, there was a fallen tree trunk and I was behind, the tree trunk, but my entire body was not fully behind." }, { "end_time": "57:02", "start_time": "57:00", "text": "It was, kind of, you know, position." }, { "end_time": "57:05", "start_time": "57:03", "text": "So a part of me was exposed." }, { "end_time": "57:17", "start_time": "57:05", "text": "And then this guy, he suddenly gets up, puts one hand on my collar and the other hand around my midriff, holds my dangri and just flips me." }, { "end_time": "57:26", "start_time": "57:18", "text": "Just using both hands, he just flips me across so that I'm coming to the side and for about 30 seconds, I don't quite understand what the hell is going on." }, { "end_time": "57:28", "start_time": "57:27", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "57:35", "start_time": "57:28", "text": "And it's only then that, I understand that this guy actually got up, exposed himself to fire." }, { "end_time": "57:58", "start_time": "57:35", "text": "He did not engage me in a conversation because there was so much of activity that is happening dust was getting kicked down and cacophony of this thing fire happening returning fire and all of that rocket launchers going off and all that he just got up and picked me up so he exposed himself And when we got back, I asked him let me use another, name." }, { "end_time": "58:02", "start_time": "57:58", "text": "I I just told him, Lakshman Tumne Azek Kyunkia." }, { "end_time": "58:04", "start_time": "58:03", "text": "Why the hell did he do it?" }, { "end_time": "58:17", "start_time": "58:07", "text": "So he smiled and he told me, If you were in my position, wouldn't you have done it?" }, { "end_time": "58:29", "start_time": "58:19", "text": "So in that, in that 32nd frame, he did it out instinctively because he knew that this guy is my team and he can't afford to be hit." }, { "end_time": "58:33", "start_time": "58:29", "text": "And he he it did not enter his brain that he could be hit too." }, { "end_time": "58:46", "start_time": "58:34", "text": "So and instead of getting into a conversation and that, the entire activity happening for 2 minutes, he took a 7 second, 8 second, 10 second exposure to pull me into this end." }, { "end_time": "58:50", "start_time": "58:46", "text": "So these are the kind of stuff, you know, and and it teaches you so many things." }, { "end_time": "58:54", "start_time": "58:50", "text": "There are so many managerial, management lessons in that." }, { "end_time": "58:54", "start_time": "58:54", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "58:58", "start_time": "58:55", "text": "On how to do, what to do and and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "59:04", "start_time": "59:00", "text": "Maybe if you could highlight another story, which would highlight another management lesson." }, { "end_time": "59:09", "start_time": "59:07", "text": "Well, maybe that you learned about leadership through action." }, { "end_time": "59:20", "start_time": "59:10", "text": "So, from my earliest childhood memories, I was always the kind who would have these, fears of falling, you know." }, { "end_time": "59:27", "start_time": "59:21", "text": "Of, a dark, deep hole that is got more reference point." }, { "end_time": "59:29", "start_time": "59:27", "text": "And you're just falling, you know, there's no context." }, { "end_time": "59:39", "start_time": "59:29", "text": "It's just that somehow in your conscious subconscious, you're just falling and, you know, you you wake with a start, suddenly." }, { "end_time": "59:46", "start_time": "59:40", "text": "And, and you realize that if, you know, everything is good, you're safe, and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "59:49", "start_time": "59:46", "text": "So I would there was no rationale to it." }, { "end_time": "59:53", "start_time": "59:49", "text": "I would have these, these, nightmares on on a recurring basis." }, { "end_time": "59:59", "start_time": "59:53", "text": "And it just happened through my younger days, through adolescence and teenage years and all of that." }, { "end_time": "1:00:04", "start_time": "1:00:00", "text": "And then I volunteered for the SF and, completed my probation." }, { "end_time": "1:00:05", "start_time": "1:00:04", "text": "I'd gone for the for my parabasic." }, { "end_time": "1:00:11", "start_time": "1:00:07", "text": "The parachute jumping, this thing." }, { "end_time": "1:00:14", "start_time": "1:00:11", "text": "So, I remember this, incident so well." }, { "end_time": "1:00:25", "start_time": "1:00:14", "text": "It was in October 95 and I was standing, inside an A32 aircraft with the bot the the rear ramp of the aircraft pulley pulled out, and you're standing at the edge." }, { "end_time": "1:00:32", "start_time": "1:00:25", "text": "You're the first guy to be jumping, and they're line of 10 guys behind you, soldiers and youngsters from my unit." }, { "end_time": "1:00:41", "start_time": "1:00:32", "text": "And so the typical how how it works is the the, n 32 is a military transport aircraft, and it's like a think about it as a tint, can." }, { "end_time": "1:00:42", "start_time": "1:00:41", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:00:45", "start_time": "1:00:42", "text": "And there are seats on both sides facing inwards." }, { "end_time": "1:00:46", "start_time": "1:00:45", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:00:48", "start_time": "1:00:46", "text": "And the rear ramp operates like this." }, { "end_time": "1:00:53", "start_time": "1:00:48", "text": "So when the when the when the stick is ready to be thrown out of the aircraft, people are jumping." }, { "end_time": "1:00:54", "start_time": "1:00:53", "text": "It's called a stick." }, { "end_time": "1:00:57", "start_time": "1:00:55", "text": "So there's 10, 12, 14 people." }, { "end_time": "1:01:08", "start_time": "1:00:58", "text": "So one side gets up, faces out towards the rear of the aircraft, and there is a jump master who's standing there and controlling the entire activity, and there's a red light and a green light in front." }, { "end_time": "1:01:16", "start_time": "1:01:09", "text": "So when the pilot is ready, he aligns the aircraft over the drop zone and then he gives the red changes to green and the green is the indication for you to jump." }, { "end_time": "1:01:29", "start_time": "1:01:17", "text": "So I'm standing at the edge of this aircraft, holding on to my parachute and looking down and it's, this is the greatest fear that I've known all my life." }, { "end_time": "1:01:30", "start_time": "1:01:29", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:31", "start_time": "1:01:30", "text": "The fear of falling." }, { "end_time": "1:01:38", "start_time": "1:01:31", "text": "And I'm standing here and I'm wondering I mean, these questions have come to me even earlier, but now it's now, you know, you're on ground 0." }, { "end_time": "1:01:39", "start_time": "1:01:38", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:41", "start_time": "1:01:39", "text": "You're you're at the edge of the aircraft and you have to jump." }, { "end_time": "1:02:00", "start_time": "1:01:42", "text": "And that, in your deep recess in your mind is that question, should should I and then I look across the aisle to the other side of the aircraft where the other line of, 15, 20 young paratroopers are sitting, my unit." }, { "end_time": "1:02:05", "start_time": "1:02:02", "text": "And those guys each one of them is looking because it's the first experience for everybody." }, { "end_time": "1:02:09", "start_time": "1:02:05", "text": "All of us are done the basic course and we're just coming in the first jump for everybody." }, { "end_time": "1:02:23", "start_time": "1:02:09", "text": "And he's looking at me into my eyes and I know then that if I hesitate now or if I show the slightest sense of hesitation, this guy is never ever going to take me as a leader." }, { "end_time": "1:02:25", "start_time": "1:02:24", "text": "Never ever." }, { "end_time": "1:02:26", "start_time": "1:02:25", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:38", "start_time": "1:02:26", "text": "So if I hesitate now, 10 years down the line, if I'm to take this guy out into combat, if I say that's the Pakistani's post up there, let's go." }, { "end_time": "1:02:40", "start_time": "1:02:40", "text": "He's not gonna go." }, { "end_time": "1:02:42", "start_time": "1:02:40", "text": "He's not gonna move." }, { "end_time": "1:02:43", "start_time": "1:02:42", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:47", "start_time": "1:02:44", "text": "So that that was the only connection that was there." }, { "end_time": "1:02:52", "start_time": "1:02:47", "text": "And then I I looked at them, looked back, the green light came, and I jumped." }, { "end_time": "1:02:54", "start_time": "1:02:53", "text": "There was no hesitation." }, { "end_time": "1:02:57", "start_time": "1:02:54", "text": "So some of these things, you know, it it plays on your mind." }, { "end_time": "1:03:06", "start_time": "1:02:57", "text": "It kind of, activates that trigger and that trigger is not something that can be, justified or cannot be expressed." }, { "end_time": "1:03:26", "start_time": "1:03:06", "text": "There is a certain mental level and there are there are tripwires there that are, just hanging there and you do quite don't know where that tripwire is, but it's that external trigger that is caused that makes you cross those those lines." }, { "end_time": "1:03:28", "start_time": "1:03:26", "text": "Once you jump, what was in your head?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:29", "start_time": "1:03:28", "text": "Nothing." }, { "end_time": "1:03:36", "start_time": "1:03:29", "text": "Because once you jump because the you see the this is another story that every paratrooper will tell you." }, { "end_time": "1:03:41", "start_time": "1:03:37", "text": "The the first jump is not the scariest actually." }, { "end_time": "1:03:43", "start_time": "1:03:41", "text": "So just give context on what paratrooper is." }, { "end_time": "1:03:44", "start_time": "1:03:43", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:03:45", "start_time": "1:03:44", "text": "A paratrooper is a guy okay." }, { "end_time": "1:03:48", "start_time": "1:03:45", "text": "The smart guys are the ones who fly the aircraft." }, { "end_time": "1:03:50", "start_time": "1:03:48", "text": "The paratroopers are the stupid guys who jump out." }, { "end_time": "1:03:52", "start_time": "1:03:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:03:59", "start_time": "1:03:53", "text": "So all all special forces soldiers are paratroopers and then there are regular paratroopers also who are not special forces but regular paratroopers." }, { "end_time": "1:04:04", "start_time": "1:04:00", "text": "So paratrooper generally guys who are delivered into battle from air." }, { "end_time": "1:04:08", "start_time": "1:04:04", "text": "So you use a parachute to descend into battle." }, { "end_time": "1:04:10", "start_time": "1:04:08", "text": "That's the definition of a paratrooper." }, { "end_time": "1:04:13", "start_time": "1:04:10", "text": "You were you were saying something about jumping out?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:14", "start_time": "1:04:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:04:23", "start_time": "1:04:14", "text": "So the first jump is, although I was scared shitless, you know, the first jump, but the second jump was even worse and this is something that applies equally." }, { "end_time": "1:04:28", "start_time": "1:04:24", "text": "People might not be the braver ones, may not be as scared as I was." }, { "end_time": "1:04:34", "start_time": "1:04:29", "text": "But the second jump is is more worrisome." }, { "end_time": "1:04:35", "start_time": "1:04:34", "text": "It's more scary." }, { "end_time": "1:04:38", "start_time": "1:04:36", "text": "Because you now you know the sequence what happens." }, { "end_time": "1:04:40", "start_time": "1:04:39", "text": "The first time is just theory, right?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:43", "start_time": "1:04:41", "text": "Somebody told you." }, { "end_time": "1:04:47", "start_time": "1:04:45", "text": "The second time you know exactly what the sequence." }, { "end_time": "1:04:49", "start_time": "1:04:48", "text": "The slip stream hits you." }, { "end_time": "1:04:51", "start_time": "1:04:49", "text": "You go into the sink and the panic and oh, God." }, { "end_time": "1:04:54", "start_time": "1:04:53", "text": "That can that happens?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:55", "start_time": "1:04:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:04:55", "start_time": "1:04:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:04:55", "start_time": "1:04:55", "text": "It does." }, { "end_time": "1:04:57", "start_time": "1:04:55", "text": "But it's a very very safe activity." }, { "end_time": "1:05:01", "start_time": "1:04:57", "text": "In fact, it's safer than crossing the average street in Delhi, Mumbai." }, { "end_time": "1:05:04", "start_time": "1:05:02", "text": "So paratrooping and soldiering, very safe activity." }, { "end_time": "1:05:09", "start_time": "1:05:07", "text": "Do you have any interactions with wild animals?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:11", "start_time": "1:05:11", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:05:13", "start_time": "1:05:12", "text": "A number of them." }, { "end_time": "1:05:20", "start_time": "1:05:15", "text": "Some of them are bearded and carry weapons from across the line of control but the 4 legged varieties also." }, { "end_time": "1:05:28", "start_time": "1:05:23", "text": "Honestly, I'd love to hear about both kinds but let's go with whichever one you pick." }, { "end_time": "1:05:30", "start_time": "1:05:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:05:33", "start_time": "1:05:31", "text": "So this is very, very interesting." }, { "end_time": "1:05:36", "start_time": "1:05:34", "text": "So a story about my own unit." }, { "end_time": "1:05:41", "start_time": "1:05:38", "text": "So there's a officer in our unit from the northeast." }, { "end_time": "1:05:42", "start_time": "1:05:41", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:50", "start_time": "1:05:42", "text": "So fantastic, well decorated officer, daredevil." }, { "end_time": "1:06:05", "start_time": "1:05:52", "text": "So just a bit bit of context here before I give you that story is that, in the, in the army in general, the commander of a of a unit, subunit is called Tiger." }, { "end_time": "1:06:09", "start_time": "1:06:05", "text": "Whoever is the senior most or the established leader is called Tiger." }, { "end_time": "1:06:15", "start_time": "1:06:09", "text": "So that's on your radio set and even otherwise it's referred to as tiger." }, { "end_time": "1:06:17", "start_time": "1:06:15", "text": "So the commanding officer of the unit is a tiger." }, { "end_time": "1:06:19", "start_time": "1:06:17", "text": "The company commander is a tiger." }, { "end_time": "1:06:22", "start_time": "1:06:20", "text": "There are 4 companies in a unit, in a battalion." }, { "end_time": "1:06:25", "start_time": "1:06:22", "text": "So each company commander is a tiger of his particular outfit." }, { "end_time": "1:06:28", "start_time": "1:06:25", "text": "Then there are platoon commanders 1 rung below." }, { "end_time": "1:06:29", "start_time": "1:06:28", "text": "So the entire hierarchy." }, { "end_time": "1:06:35", "start_time": "1:06:29", "text": "So each each of these, each of these subunits has got a leader who's referred to as a tiger." }, { "end_time": "1:06:46", "start_time": "1:06:36", "text": "So we we were it is snowbound, in Kashmir, place near Tandar, ahead of Kufara, very close to the line of control." }, { "end_time": "1:06:48", "start_time": "1:06:46", "text": "In fact, almost on the line of control." }, { "end_time": "1:06:50", "start_time": "1:06:48", "text": "So we were out on a mission." }, { "end_time": "1:06:58", "start_time": "1:06:51", "text": "We're climbing this mountain and, we were in, let's say about at least 3 to 4 feet of, standing snow." }, { "end_time": "1:06:59", "start_time": "1:06:58", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "1:07:07", "start_time": "1:06:59", "text": "So it was, very hard, very steep incline, and the standing still doesn't make it, easy at all." }, { "end_time": "1:07:13", "start_time": "1:07:07", "text": "So we were struggling and, it exacts a tremendous amount of your strength." }, { "end_time": "1:07:14", "start_time": "1:07:13", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:07:21", "start_time": "1:07:16", "text": "So, this guy, this this Manipuri officer, was in the lead." }, { "end_time": "1:07:30", "start_time": "1:07:21", "text": "And so suddenly you can make it on the radio set because that's a distance and in the night." }, { "end_time": "1:07:31", "start_time": "1:07:30", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:07:35", "start_time": "1:07:33", "text": "So he's he said, halt." }, { "end_time": "1:07:39", "start_time": "1:07:36", "text": "We quite, this thing on the radio set." }, { "end_time": "1:07:49", "start_time": "1:07:39", "text": "So you suddenly take position because that's the classic, this thing of there is some trouble ahead or there is he's picked up some moment that requires investigation or he suspects something happening and all that." }, { "end_time": "1:07:59", "start_time": "1:07:50", "text": "So so he said and then there's there's quite because then you don't get into conversations." }, { "end_time": "1:07:59", "start_time": "1:07:59", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:08:08", "start_time": "1:07:59", "text": "We everybody is just silent and observing and your hearing and your eyesight and everything, you get out your night binoculars and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "1:08:10", "start_time": "1:08:08", "text": "You're you're trying to identify what, where." }, { "end_time": "1:08:19", "start_time": "1:08:11", "text": "So you don't ask any questions so you don't get into a speech on those things because everybody just want to keep all their peripheral senses working overtime." }, { "end_time": "1:08:25", "start_time": "1:08:20", "text": "So there was a period of quiet for about, probably a couple of minutes, I guess." }, { "end_time": "1:08:28", "start_time": "1:08:26", "text": "And then there's absolute pin drop silence." }, { "end_time": "1:08:29", "start_time": "1:08:29", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:08:37", "start_time": "1:08:31", "text": "And, so then some somebody on the set asked him, wait." }, { "end_time": "1:08:39", "start_time": "1:08:37", "text": "So he says, tiger." }, { "end_time": "1:08:44", "start_time": "1:08:42", "text": "So this guy says, tiger." }, { "end_time": "1:08:46", "start_time": "1:08:46", "text": "He says, tiger." }, { "end_time": "1:08:53", "start_time": "1:08:50", "text": "So there's a snow leopard out there." }, { "end_time": "1:08:55", "start_time": "1:08:53", "text": "And it they're in face to face." }, { "end_time": "1:08:58", "start_time": "1:08:55", "text": "So that guy is also wondering what the hell is this guy doing out here." }, { "end_time": "1:09:00", "start_time": "1:08:59", "text": "So, you know." }, { "end_time": "1:09:07", "start_time": "1:09:00", "text": "And then, there was about 20 minutes of of an extreme situation because you never know." }, { "end_time": "1:09:09", "start_time": "1:09:07", "text": "It's a it's a cat in the wild." }, { "end_time": "1:09:09", "start_time": "1:09:09", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:11", "start_time": "1:09:09", "text": "And snow levels are way bigger than people think." }, { "end_time": "1:09:12", "start_time": "1:09:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:09:12", "start_time": "1:09:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:09:12", "start_time": "1:09:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:09:12", "start_time": "1:09:12", "text": "It is." }, { "end_time": "1:09:13", "start_time": "1:09:12", "text": "It is." }, { "end_time": "1:09:13", "start_time": "1:09:13", "text": "It is." }, { "end_time": "1:09:17", "start_time": "1:09:14", "text": "So then that's a quite for about the Singh." }, { "end_time": "1:09:17", "start_time": "1:09:17", "text": "No movement." }, { "end_time": "1:09:19", "start_time": "1:09:17", "text": "Everybody was just frozen." }, { "end_time": "1:09:27", "start_time": "1:09:19", "text": "And then after some time we could pick up on the, on the night vision that the outline of the singh, that guy also halted." }, { "end_time": "1:09:35", "start_time": "1:09:27", "text": "So there was a there was a face off for about a couple of minutes and then the guy decided to break contact and go." }, { "end_time": "1:09:39", "start_time": "1:09:35", "text": "So under moonlight and it was a I guess it was a half moon or something like that." }, { "end_time": "1:09:47", "start_time": "1:09:40", "text": "The the beauty of nature, right, and that people go to such great extents to see." }, { "end_time": "1:09:50", "start_time": "1:09:47", "text": "Seeing it in the wild was an amazing experience." }, { "end_time": "1:09:52", "start_time": "1:09:51", "text": "Fantastic experience." }, { "end_time": "1:09:56", "start_time": "1:09:52", "text": "Like any, what's it called, wildlife photographer would have killed to Oh, yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:09:56", "start_time": "1:09:56", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "1:09:57", "start_time": "1:09:56", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "1:09:59", "start_time": "1:09:58", "text": "And virgin snow." }, { "end_time": "1:09:59", "start_time": "1:09:59", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:10:02", "start_time": "1:09:59", "text": "Absolute virgin snow and this guy on a perch." }, { "end_time": "1:10:05", "start_time": "1:10:04", "text": "Was there ever sense of okay." }, { "end_time": "1:10:08", "start_time": "1:10:05", "text": "It might pounce out of Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:10:08", "start_time": "1:10:08", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "1:10:15", "start_time": "1:10:09", "text": "So the the the guy who was about, probably, 10, 15 feet away from or probably less or more." }, { "end_time": "1:10:16", "start_time": "1:10:15", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "1:10:19", "start_time": "1:10:17", "text": "Couple of feet away from that." }, { "end_time": "1:10:23", "start_time": "1:10:19", "text": "That guy was like and you know, we're calling him on the set and he's not answering." }, { "end_time": "1:10:28", "start_time": "1:10:24", "text": "I also want the audience to keep in mind that you guys are fully loaded with weapons probably." }, { "end_time": "1:10:28", "start_time": "1:10:28", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:10:28", "start_time": "1:10:28", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:10:29", "start_time": "1:10:28", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:10:30", "start_time": "1:10:29", "text": "But it's still a daunting Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "1:10:32", "start_time": "1:10:31", "text": "Element of that." }, { "end_time": "1:10:39", "start_time": "1:10:32", "text": "So we have our weapons loaded, the round in the chamber, the the lead scout and the officer." }, { "end_time": "1:10:41", "start_time": "1:10:39", "text": "They have their weapon on off safety." }, { "end_time": "1:10:45", "start_time": "1:10:42", "text": "So, you know, the first reaction can be in milliseconds." }, { "end_time": "1:10:46", "start_time": "1:10:45", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:10:48", "start_time": "1:10:46", "text": "So all 3 of them have the sync." }, { "end_time": "1:10:51", "start_time": "1:10:48", "text": "So the rest of the team generally has the safety on." }, { "end_time": "1:10:54", "start_time": "1:10:51", "text": "So you need to switch off the safety and then only you can fire." }, { "end_time": "1:11:02", "start_time": "1:10:55", "text": "But the rest of the the the scouts and the first officer, they always have, their weapons already so they can fire." }, { "end_time": "1:11:20", "start_time": "1:11:03", "text": "But then again, you know, you don't want to involve yourself in this unless you're there's a direct attack on you or something like that that becomes a decision because these are these are magnificent beasts and endangered species and you know the ability or your the opportunity to actually see them at such close quarters beautiful." }, { "end_time": "1:11:22", "start_time": "1:11:20", "text": "So it just stared down?" }, { "end_time": "1:11:22", "start_time": "1:11:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:11:22", "start_time": "1:11:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:11:22", "start_time": "1:11:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:11:23", "start_time": "1:11:22", "text": "And that's it." }, { "end_time": "1:11:24", "start_time": "1:11:23", "text": "For like a minute it was a stare." }, { "end_time": "1:11:27", "start_time": "1:11:24", "text": "And then the side of the ear, the ear is not worth it." }, { "end_time": "1:11:34", "start_time": "1:11:31", "text": "What's the kind of vibe you get from that magnificent wild animal?" }, { "end_time": "1:11:36", "start_time": "1:11:34", "text": "I'm dead sure that's not the only wild animal you've seen." }, { "end_time": "1:11:39", "start_time": "1:11:36", "text": "You might have seen probably bears or something also on your Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:11:39", "start_time": "1:11:39", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:11:40", "start_time": "1:11:39", "text": "Not me personally." }, { "end_time": "1:11:46", "start_time": "1:11:40", "text": "This is my only experience with the with the 4 legged wild animal." }, { "end_time": "1:11:57", "start_time": "1:11:46", "text": "What did you pick up from, like, seeing it there in terms of I mean, well, at that point in time, the thing was more whether will it attack will I mean, what do you do?" }, { "end_time": "1:12:03", "start_time": "1:11:57", "text": "So constantly, the thing that's running on your mind is if something were to happen, how do you react?" }, { "end_time": "1:12:03", "start_time": "1:12:03", "text": "What do you do?" }, { "end_time": "1:12:04", "start_time": "1:12:03", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:12:08", "start_time": "1:12:04", "text": "So and and that's that's something that, we are trained to be doing." }, { "end_time": "1:12:09", "start_time": "1:12:08", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:12:15", "start_time": "1:12:09", "text": "So when you are walking, and a lot of my friends make fun of me now, even now." }, { "end_time": "1:12:21", "start_time": "1:12:15", "text": "So even when you go to a restaurant, you sit in a restaurant, you want to be scanning the environment." }, { "end_time": "1:12:27", "start_time": "1:12:21", "text": "You wanna be seeing who's where, is what's somebody doing, where is the exit." }, { "end_time": "1:12:37", "start_time": "1:12:27", "text": "So the first thing that I do and many of my, colleagues and, you know, friends in the SF do is that when you reach some place, you identify the exit first." }, { "end_time": "1:12:39", "start_time": "1:12:37", "text": "What are the alternate exits?" }, { "end_time": "1:12:40", "start_time": "1:12:39", "text": "What are the ways to get there?" }, { "end_time": "1:12:42", "start_time": "1:12:40", "text": "Who's who's where?" }, { "end_time": "1:12:47", "start_time": "1:12:42", "text": "So your general awareness, it's it's a it's a mind mapping that happens almost, instinctively." }, { "end_time": "1:12:53", "start_time": "1:12:48", "text": "You know, you map this and this this is it's fed into the background and then you get on with whatever else you're doing." }, { "end_time": "1:12:56", "start_time": "1:12:53", "text": "Drinking or eating or whatever else." }, { "end_time": "1:12:58", "start_time": "1:12:56", "text": "Other terrorists also well trained?" }, { "end_time": "1:12:58", "start_time": "1:12:58", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "1:12:59", "start_time": "1:12:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:13:01", "start_time": "1:12:59", "text": "Are they at your level of like?" }, { "end_time": "1:13:09", "start_time": "1:13:01", "text": "Well, technical proficiency might certainly not be I mean, well, I'm talking of the average Joe." }, { "end_time": "1:13:12", "start_time": "1:13:09", "text": "I'm not talking of, there are, outliers on all of these." }, { "end_time": "1:13:16", "start_time": "1:13:13", "text": "But technical proficiency would be pretty low." }, { "end_time": "1:13:16", "start_time": "1:13:16", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:13:23", "start_time": "1:13:16", "text": "But it more than makes up for their, the ability to give up one's life." }, { "end_time": "1:13:24", "start_time": "1:13:23", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "1:13:24", "start_time": "1:13:24", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:13:25", "start_time": "1:13:24", "text": "The the the motivation." }, { "end_time": "1:13:26", "start_time": "1:13:26", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "1:13:28", "start_time": "1:13:26", "text": "The motivation levels are are different." }, { "end_time": "1:13:29", "start_time": "1:13:28", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:13:42", "start_time": "1:13:30", "text": "So, from that point of view, I think it's it's you need to be giving the devil his due, And you need to be aware and you need to be prepared that here is a bloke who doesn't mind giving up his life." }, { "end_time": "1:13:45", "start_time": "1:13:42", "text": "And then you need to be prepared to be deal dealing with that that eventuality." }, { "end_time": "1:13:54", "start_time": "1:13:46", "text": "Something I've low key picked up from both you and Major Jacob and captain Ragu for that matter is that the army teaches you to read human beings very quickly." }, { "end_time": "1:13:59", "start_time": "1:13:54", "text": "Like, if you're interacting with someone outside the army, you can pretty much scan that person." }, { "end_time": "1:14:02", "start_time": "1:13:59", "text": "I don't understand how we all do it, but I can see that you'll do it." }, { "end_time": "1:14:16", "start_time": "1:14:03", "text": "I should be honest with you that I don't think I know the science behind it, but I think you're right that, you know, on a very intuitive level, you learn to pick up, whether this guy is what is this guy about?" }, { "end_time": "1:14:19", "start_time": "1:14:16", "text": "I think, on a but I I don't know the science behind it." }, { "end_time": "1:14:19", "start_time": "1:14:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:14:21", "start_time": "1:14:19", "text": "Honestly, don't know the science behind it." }, { "end_time": "1:14:23", "start_time": "1:14:21", "text": "Do you want to hear it from a layman's perspective?" }, { "end_time": "1:14:23", "start_time": "1:14:23", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "1:14:31", "start_time": "1:14:24", "text": "Whenever I ask an army man anything about anything, You guys describe it in a lot of details." }, { "end_time": "1:14:33", "start_time": "1:14:31", "text": "So I think it's it's primarily observational powers." }, { "end_time": "1:14:36", "start_time": "1:14:33", "text": "That's the muscle that gets worked in your training." }, { "end_time": "1:14:39", "start_time": "1:14:36", "text": "This observation power doesn't get worked in any other industry." }, { "end_time": "1:14:44", "start_time": "1:14:39", "text": "To some extent, no, I because I teach communication skills in my videos, I'm forced to do the same." }, { "end_time": "1:14:49", "start_time": "1:14:45", "text": "At at a certain point, I switched from fitness content to, like, communications." }, { "end_time": "1:14:52", "start_time": "1:14:49", "text": "It's kinda my lens of the world changed for the sake of my writing." }, { "end_time": "1:14:56", "start_time": "1:14:52", "text": "But you guys have to do it as a part of your job, like, right from day on." }, { "end_time": "1:15:01", "start_time": "1:14:56", "text": "Well, that that's, actually news to me." }, { "end_time": "1:15:03", "start_time": "1:15:01", "text": "Probably you're right and not probably." }, { "end_time": "1:15:05", "start_time": "1:15:03", "text": "I think you certainly are right." }, { "end_time": "1:15:14", "start_time": "1:15:05", "text": "But, I think I need to, you know, to to think a little deeper about this, because I really haven't applied myself in on that level." }, { "end_time": "1:15:15", "start_time": "1:15:14", "text": "But you're right." }, { "end_time": "1:15:22", "start_time": "1:15:15", "text": "The observational thing you we we do we do tend to scan the environment and categorize people on a very subconscious level." }, { "end_time": "1:15:23", "start_time": "1:15:22", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:15:23", "start_time": "1:15:23", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "1:15:23", "start_time": "1:15:23", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "1:15:25", "start_time": "1:15:23", "text": "Not not in a judgmental way." }, { "end_time": "1:15:26", "start_time": "1:15:25", "text": "Just like it gets worked out." }, { "end_time": "1:15:27", "start_time": "1:15:26", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:15:27", "start_time": "1:15:27", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:15:30", "start_time": "1:15:27", "text": "Coming back to the wild animal conversations, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:15:35", "start_time": "1:15:31", "text": "I'm sure you've had, like, you know, close encounter with, say, a terrorist." }, { "end_time": "1:15:41", "start_time": "1:15:36", "text": "So from a human being's breakdown, what do you think is then the terrorist side?" }, { "end_time": "1:15:43", "start_time": "1:15:41", "text": "Is it, like, completely rewired?" }, { "end_time": "1:15:45", "start_time": "1:15:44", "text": "Is there, like, nothingness?" }, { "end_time": "1:15:47", "start_time": "1:15:45", "text": "What are they thinking about?" }, { "end_time": "1:15:55", "start_time": "1:15:49", "text": "Well, like they say, the only good terrorists are dead terrorists." }, { "end_time": "1:15:56", "start_time": "1:15:55", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:16:10", "start_time": "1:15:56", "text": "So and that's the principle that we operate within the asset that, you know, but there there are occasions where a guy puts up his hands and, you know, decides to surrender and then, you know, the the rules of engagement changes." }, { "end_time": "1:16:14", "start_time": "1:16:10", "text": "So, a humane approach is is always centric." }, { "end_time": "1:16:26", "start_time": "1:16:17", "text": "So having said that, there there are, there are instances when we have interacted, with people who have put up their hands or decided not to." }, { "end_time": "1:16:32", "start_time": "1:16:26", "text": "The one of the striking things that comes very clearly through is the sense of indoctrination." }, { "end_time": "1:16:35", "start_time": "1:16:33", "text": "Clearly, they've been fed bullshit." }, { "end_time": "1:16:36", "start_time": "1:16:35", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:16:46", "start_time": "1:16:36", "text": "But the bullshit has been fed in such such a precise and a very concise and, with intent that that's his altered reality." }, { "end_time": "1:16:49", "start_time": "1:16:46", "text": "He his reality has completely changed." }, { "end_time": "1:16:51", "start_time": "1:16:49", "text": "The frame has changed completely for him." }, { "end_time": "1:17:11", "start_time": "1:16:51", "text": "And therefore, his belief system is altered in a manner that that propels him, drives him to do irrational things, because he believes that, you know, 72 virgins waiting in heaven for him or or it's nearest equivalent, that have been forced into him over a period of time." }, { "end_time": "1:17:33", "start_time": "1:17:12", "text": "So to deconstruct that is not a is not a very, easy process because to de radicalize him, a guy who's gone that extent to get him back into this thing, I'm not saying it's impossible, but it is an extremely difficult, process because at some form it has touched his soul." }, { "end_time": "1:17:38", "start_time": "1:17:33", "text": "It has touched his inner, in our, systems." }, { "end_time": "1:17:39", "start_time": "1:17:39", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:17:47", "start_time": "1:17:39", "text": "And he he is vibrating to that, altered reality." }, { "end_time": "1:17:56", "start_time": "1:17:47", "text": "So to re alter that altered reality is not a very easy process and I believe it's not a very sustainable process either." }, { "end_time": "1:17:58", "start_time": "1:17:57", "text": "So it's a it's a difficult proposition." }, { "end_time": "1:18:00", "start_time": "1:17:59", "text": "You spoke about terrain." }, { "end_time": "1:18:02", "start_time": "1:18:00", "text": "You spoke about where you saw the snow leopard." }, { "end_time": "1:18:14", "start_time": "1:18:02", "text": "Could you describe like 1, the most beautiful place you've seen on any of your adventures as a part of the special forces and to the most difficult terrain that you've come across with the most challenging?" }, { "end_time": "1:18:22", "start_time": "1:18:16", "text": "Well, from, let's let's tackle the beautiful part of it first." }, { "end_time": "1:18:35", "start_time": "1:18:24", "text": "A lot of people who speak to me about, about, Gulmarg and Sonamarg and, you know, all these pieces and how beautiful it is." }, { "end_time": "1:18:38", "start_time": "1:18:37", "text": "I really feel for them." }, { "end_time": "1:18:39", "start_time": "1:18:39", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:18:41", "start_time": "1:18:39", "text": "Because they haven't seen the beauty." }, { "end_time": "1:18:49", "start_time": "1:18:43", "text": "So, in, the, what's the name of the place?" }, { "end_time": "1:18:52", "start_time": "1:18:49", "text": "So this place is called Indra Behek." }, { "end_time": "1:18:53", "start_time": "1:18:52", "text": "It's called IB." }, { "end_time": "1:18:53", "start_time": "1:18:53", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:19:08", "start_time": "1:18:53", "text": "It's very close to the line of control, and I can I recall that I have a couple of my friends, you know, my my ex colleagues who, been with me there, and we just we just go gaga over that place?" }, { "end_time": "1:19:20", "start_time": "1:19:09", "text": "I haven't seen such such beauty in its raw, pristine form even in the best, pictures of Austria and, Switzerland and all that." }, { "end_time": "1:19:22", "start_time": "1:19:20", "text": "It's just hauntingly beautiful." }, { "end_time": "1:19:24", "start_time": "1:19:22", "text": "It's just hauntingly beautiful." }, { "end_time": "1:19:30", "start_time": "1:19:24", "text": "The sad part is that, at least 99.9995 percent of our population can never get there." }, { "end_time": "1:19:31", "start_time": "1:19:31", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:19:31", "start_time": "1:19:31", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:19:34", "start_time": "1:19:31", "text": "And probably that's why the beauty is still being preserved." }, { "end_time": "1:19:35", "start_time": "1:19:34", "text": "That's that's the other side of the story." }, { "end_time": "1:19:48", "start_time": "1:19:36", "text": "But, it's hauntingly beautiful covered in in it's it's a typical postcard that you see from Switzerland and Austria and one of these, flyers that you see amazingly beautiful." }, { "end_time": "1:19:50", "start_time": "1:19:48", "text": "No wonder the park is wanted so badly." }, { "end_time": "1:19:52", "start_time": "1:19:51", "text": "It's beautiful." }, { "end_time": "1:19:53", "start_time": "1:19:52", "text": "It's just hauntingly beautiful." }, { "end_time": "1:20:07", "start_time": "1:19:53", "text": "And I've we spent so many nights out there, just on the, on the fresh snow, on the virgin snow and just lying up there night sky, just looking at it and just in, in wonderland, right?" }, { "end_time": "1:20:09", "start_time": "1:20:07", "text": "Because the sky is so beautiful." }, { "end_time": "1:20:10", "start_time": "1:20:10", "text": "No pollution." }, { "end_time": "1:20:25", "start_time": "1:20:11", "text": "Absolutely zero pollution and, the the sites around and this is before, mobile phones and, digital cameras and all had actually made, included the way it has." }, { "end_time": "1:20:31", "start_time": "1:20:26", "text": "But, it's the frames are there in the mind." }, { "end_time": "1:20:35", "start_time": "1:20:31", "text": "Unfortunately, I can't replicate them on digital space." }, { "end_time": "1:20:35", "start_time": "1:20:35", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:20:35", "start_time": "1:20:35", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:20:37", "start_time": "1:20:36", "text": "And what were the most difficult?" }, { "end_time": "1:20:44", "start_time": "1:20:38", "text": "Well, difficult, Kargil, for example, brutal terrain." }, { "end_time": "1:20:45", "start_time": "1:20:44", "text": "Had you taken part?" }, { "end_time": "1:20:46", "start_time": "1:20:45", "text": "Really brutal brutal terrain." }, { "end_time": "1:20:46", "start_time": "1:20:46", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:20:49", "start_time": "1:20:46", "text": "Not me personally, but my team has been there." }, { "end_time": "1:20:57", "start_time": "1:20:49", "text": "But, the northeast, it's another form of, difficult terrain." }, { "end_time": "1:20:57", "start_time": "1:20:57", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:21:04", "start_time": "1:20:57", "text": "The jungles of, of Assam, of Mizoram is terrible." }, { "end_time": "1:21:07", "start_time": "1:21:04", "text": "It's really, it's energy sapping." }, { "end_time": "1:21:11", "start_time": "1:21:07", "text": "It just kills you in a completely different format, right?" }, { "end_time": "1:21:13", "start_time": "1:21:11", "text": "It's like because it's hot?" }, { "end_time": "1:21:14", "start_time": "1:21:13", "text": "It's very hot." }, { "end_time": "1:21:14", "start_time": "1:21:14", "text": "It's very humid." }, { "end_time": "1:21:16", "start_time": "1:21:15", "text": "Extremely humid." }, { "end_time": "1:21:18", "start_time": "1:21:16", "text": "It's energy sapping completely." }, { "end_time": "1:21:23", "start_time": "1:21:19", "text": "In fact, if it's okay with you Ranveer, I'll I'll I'll record a story." }, { "end_time": "1:21:24", "start_time": "1:21:23", "text": "You know, it's a beautiful story." }, { "end_time": "1:21:24", "start_time": "1:21:24", "text": "Please." }, { "end_time": "1:21:25", "start_time": "1:21:24", "text": "I'll go for it." }, { "end_time": "1:21:42", "start_time": "1:21:26", "text": "So, sometime in the mid nineties or was it late nineties, 97, 98, somewhere around that time frame, is when the US, special forces, the green berries, and we started this, this, number of cross trainings." }, { "end_time": "1:21:47", "start_time": "1:21:43", "text": "So they would come across one of their detachments." }, { "end_time": "1:21:52", "start_time": "1:21:47", "text": "They call them ODA's, operational detachment alpha, of the green brace." }, { "end_time": "1:21:54", "start_time": "1:21:52", "text": "They would come down and train with us." }, { "end_time": "1:21:59", "start_time": "1:21:54", "text": "1 of our teams would go, out there and train with them." }, { "end_time": "1:22:12", "start_time": "1:21:59", "text": "So the, the idea was that, to increase the interoperability between the special forces because, you know, it was a more strategic blessing of developing, competence and capability in a in a larger time frame." }, { "end_time": "1:22:15", "start_time": "1:22:13", "text": "So it started somewhere in the mid, late nineties." }, { "end_time": "1:22:25", "start_time": "1:22:15", "text": "And I remember one of these, things, ODA 152, from Osaka, I'm sorry, from Okinawa in Japan." }, { "end_time": "1:22:34", "start_time": "1:22:26", "text": "So these guys have flown in and, and that is the first time that our guys had got when I say our guys, I'm talking the average soldier." }, { "end_time": "1:22:40", "start_time": "1:22:34", "text": "They've got exposure to be dealing with, the SF, the American special forces." }, { "end_time": "1:22:46", "start_time": "1:22:41", "text": "And it's, it's true typically many of them, a large proportion of them are all beefcakes." }, { "end_time": "1:22:47", "start_time": "1:22:46", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:22:57", "start_time": "1:22:47", "text": "Very well built and, you know, really muscular and, visually they are very imposing And the fact that they have a lot of technology." }, { "end_time": "1:23:14", "start_time": "1:22:57", "text": "At those times, I remember, these guys used to have this very nutty little briefcase like, stuff and they'll open it out and a small antenna would flip out and, they would be on satcom with, their base in Okinawa or, in in the US." }, { "end_time": "1:23:15", "start_time": "1:23:14", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:23:20", "start_time": "1:23:15", "text": "Sitting in the middle of nowhere in Mizoram, in in the jungles, in, this place in Assam." }, { "end_time": "1:23:23", "start_time": "1:23:21", "text": "They would have rapid connectivity." }, { "end_time": "1:23:37", "start_time": "1:23:23", "text": "So both from a from a visual standpoint, their personality and their this thing and from the technology that they were bringing in, their weapon systems and all that, it was, it was intimidating for our guys." }, { "end_time": "1:23:37", "start_time": "1:23:37", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:23:42", "start_time": "1:23:38", "text": "So our guys are typical Ram or Shyam from the the village stock." }, { "end_time": "1:23:42", "start_time": "1:23:42", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:23:53", "start_time": "1:23:44", "text": "And, who typically scrawly, you know, lean and mean." }, { "end_time": "1:24:00", "start_time": "1:23:53", "text": "No no, no meat and muscle on them, but very, extremely enduring." }, { "end_time": "1:24:04", "start_time": "1:24:01", "text": "Their, endurance is, power is phenomenal." }, { "end_time": "1:24:10", "start_time": "1:24:06", "text": "And they were, in awe of these guys, you know." }, { "end_time": "1:24:16", "start_time": "1:24:10", "text": "The first time, Gorichamri and, technology and beefcake, like personalities and all that." }, { "end_time": "1:24:19", "start_time": "1:24:16", "text": "There is a little bit of intimidation that was happening." }, { "end_time": "1:24:24", "start_time": "1:24:20", "text": "I could read it in their eyes, you know, these guys are, wow!" }, { "end_time": "1:24:34", "start_time": "1:24:27", "text": "So over a period of time you break eyes and you start interacting and you are fighting together, you you're training together and all of that." }, { "end_time": "1:24:43", "start_time": "1:24:34", "text": "So these training modules are generally about 4 to 6 weeks and about 80% of the time you are doing classroom based training." }, { "end_time": "1:24:50", "start_time": "1:24:43", "text": "When I say classroom based in the open, there are no structures or rooms, but it's all out in the open." }, { "end_time": "1:24:52", "start_time": "1:24:50", "text": "But it's squad post training, right?" }, { "end_time": "1:24:56", "start_time": "1:24:53", "text": "Familiarity with each of those weapons, their procedures and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "1:24:57", "start_time": "1:24:56", "text": "That's that's how we did." }, { "end_time": "1:25:05", "start_time": "1:24:57", "text": "And then it ultimately, rolls up to a field exercise, right?" }, { "end_time": "1:25:07", "start_time": "1:25:05", "text": "Where the training is put together." }, { "end_time": "1:25:14", "start_time": "1:25:07", "text": "They're formed into teams and they go through a field exercise, a tactical exercise." }, { "end_time": "1:25:22", "start_time": "1:25:15", "text": "So we went to the training and people started getting a little more comfortable with each other and, you know, all of that." }, { "end_time": "1:25:29", "start_time": "1:25:22", "text": "And then, we went in for this field exercise where it was, a 72 hour operation." }, { "end_time": "1:25:32", "start_time": "1:25:29", "text": "So there were 5 or 6 such teams that were formed." }, { "end_time": "1:25:38", "start_time": "1:25:32", "text": "Each of them about 6, 8 guys, and they were left out into the this is in in Mizoram, the jungles of Mizoram." }, { "end_time": "1:25:50", "start_time": "1:25:39", "text": "And, so they are self contained and once again, you know, it's small teams operating behind enemy lines." }, { "end_time": "1:25:52", "start_time": "1:25:50", "text": "That's the the scenario." }, { "end_time": "1:25:55", "start_time": "1:25:53", "text": "And when they go out, they are self contained." }, { "end_time": "1:26:00", "start_time": "1:25:55", "text": "So they carry their water, they carry their sustenance for whatever 72 hours, 96 hours, something like that." }, { "end_time": "1:26:11", "start_time": "1:26:01", "text": "And these guys, they all carried their chocolate bars and energy bars and, you know, mineral water and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "1:26:15", "start_time": "1:26:11", "text": "But, you know, it can it can last for so many so many hours." }, { "end_time": "1:26:20", "start_time": "1:26:16", "text": "And, we went out and, the first 24 hours went by." }, { "end_time": "1:26:21", "start_time": "1:26:20", "text": "The 48 hours went by." }, { "end_time": "1:26:29", "start_time": "1:26:21", "text": "And About 48 between 48 to 60 hours, they ran out of their chocolate bars and they're singing because it's energy sapping." }, { "end_time": "1:26:29", "start_time": "1:26:29", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:26:34", "start_time": "1:26:29", "text": "And the water and the thing, it just dries up your body." }, { "end_time": "1:27:02", "start_time": "1:26:36", "text": "And that's when our Ram and Shyam, they would pick out their jungle hats and the same stream in which, you know, buffalos are bathing or, you know, the all insects in this thing, they would just flip the water to one side and strain out through a Kapra into their water bottles and pop in a water cleansing tablet in that and drink." }, { "end_time": "1:27:02", "start_time": "1:27:02", "text": "No problem." }, { "end_time": "1:27:18", "start_time": "1:27:03", "text": "Whereas our man, once the mineral water is run dry, his chocolate bars are up and he, Abna Raman Shyam can operate with Sukha Puri and Khastapuri and Mirchkaik Singh and, whatever." }, { "end_time": "1:27:19", "start_time": "1:27:18", "text": "Something like that." }, { "end_time": "1:27:20", "start_time": "1:27:19", "text": "He can operate." }, { "end_time": "1:27:22", "start_time": "1:27:20", "text": "There there are no problems." }, { "end_time": "1:27:30", "start_time": "1:27:22", "text": "And then 72 hours to 96 hours later, many of these guys had to be picked up and brought back." }, { "end_time": "1:27:37", "start_time": "1:27:31", "text": "So that is the resilience of our average soldier and this is not true only for the special forces." }, { "end_time": "1:27:41", "start_time": "1:27:37", "text": "Infantry units and and you know, our guys are very very hardy." }, { "end_time": "1:27:52", "start_time": "1:27:42", "text": "Extremely hardy, extremely resilient and, can take punishment of the kinds that other, people cannot cannot endure." }, { "end_time": "1:27:56", "start_time": "1:27:52", "text": "Captain Raghu spoke a lot about Siachen, on the show." }, { "end_time": "1:28:03", "start_time": "1:27:56", "text": "He also said that there's way more intense places than c r and c r is the concern of the mainstream intense place." }, { "end_time": "1:28:09", "start_time": "1:28:03", "text": "So what are some of these, like, examples of these places that is, you know, operating cargo also brutal." }, { "end_time": "1:28:13", "start_time": "1:28:09", "text": "You mentioned cargo is a pretty brutal terrain, but what is the brutality of it?" }, { "end_time": "1:28:14", "start_time": "1:28:14", "text": "Brutality." }, { "end_time": "1:28:16", "start_time": "1:28:14", "text": "Well, Raghu is right." }, { "end_time": "1:28:20", "start_time": "1:28:19", "text": "The SIACEN is hyped up." }, { "end_time": "1:28:26", "start_time": "1:28:20", "text": "Is hyped up probably for good reason, maybe with intent, probably by default, you know, either end of the spectrum." }, { "end_time": "1:28:38", "start_time": "1:28:28", "text": "And there's a lot of romanticizing that happens, associated with the name because you know, there there is a certain element of, of recollection, right, that happens when you mention a name." }, { "end_time": "1:28:44", "start_time": "1:28:39", "text": "But you take any of these, this of these areas in in the forward areas, right?" }, { "end_time": "1:28:53", "start_time": "1:28:44", "text": "The Galwan incident that happened, the northern edge of Pangansu, the lake, it turned there is very harsh, extremely harsh." }, { "end_time": "1:28:54", "start_time": "1:28:54", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:28:59", "start_time": "1:28:55", "text": "It's it's almost similar to Siachen except you know, you don't have that kind of snow." }, { "end_time": "1:29:00", "start_time": "1:28:59", "text": "Snow doesn't fall there." }, { "end_time": "1:29:08", "start_time": "1:29:00", "text": "But the temperature and the chill, wind chill factor is similar if not probably a little worse out here." }, { "end_time": "1:29:28", "start_time": "1:29:09", "text": "The ability to be able to withstand those climatic conditions and operate, be able to operate in that kind of an environment is very taxing on the body and the logistics and the operational issues that go into, turning over the troops in contact with the enemy." }, { "end_time": "1:29:32", "start_time": "1:29:30", "text": "Enemy facing, thing is humongous." }, { "end_time": "1:29:34", "start_time": "1:29:32", "text": "It's just absolutely humongous." }, { "end_time": "1:29:42", "start_time": "1:29:35", "text": "I don't know if you recall, and I've written a piece on this, I think it was in the Mumbai Mirror, Hanuman Thapa." }, { "end_time": "1:29:48", "start_time": "1:29:42", "text": "Do you recall that story of that, young boy, who had got trapped in a a lunch?" }, { "end_time": "1:29:48", "start_time": "1:29:48", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:29:49", "start_time": "1:29:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:29:49", "start_time": "1:29:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:29:55", "start_time": "1:29:49", "text": "And, he was pulled out about, I think 6 days, 5, 5 days or 6 days later." }, { "end_time": "1:29:56", "start_time": "1:29:56", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:30:01", "start_time": "1:29:56", "text": "And he was he was still alive, brought him back, but, unfortunately, he passed away." }, { "end_time": "1:30:08", "start_time": "1:30:03", "text": "Imagine the kind of effort that it takes to to be working under those conditions." }, { "end_time": "1:30:08", "start_time": "1:30:08", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:30:16", "start_time": "1:30:10", "text": "A single helicopter that goes up can carry no more than 1 jerry can of fuel." }, { "end_time": "1:30:17", "start_time": "1:30:16", "text": "Fuel is lifeline." }, { "end_time": "1:30:19", "start_time": "1:30:18", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:30:30", "start_time": "1:30:19", "text": "You have about a 120, guys from the same, from Hanumantha Pass Company, of that particular unit that go in and are digging with their hands." }, { "end_time": "1:30:34", "start_time": "1:30:32", "text": "Boulders the size of this room probably." }, { "end_time": "1:30:36", "start_time": "1:30:34", "text": "Blue eyes, right?" }, { "end_time": "1:30:46", "start_time": "1:30:36", "text": "Going at it with hammers until more specialized equipment could be flown in because you know, like I said, a helicopter can lift just 1 jerry can equivalent of of load." }, { "end_time": "1:31:00", "start_time": "1:30:47", "text": "That's about 20 liters of fuel and the kind of stuff that is required to be put together to get the the entire, sustenance operations that, go the logistic chain that goes to to to keep those 120 guys intact." }, { "end_time": "1:31:01", "start_time": "1:31:01", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:31:02", "start_time": "1:31:01", "text": "Phenomenal." }, { "end_time": "1:31:04", "start_time": "1:31:02", "text": "It's just phenomenal." }, { "end_time": "1:31:16", "start_time": "1:31:04", "text": "It's and it's only the army or the navy or the air force that can that can carry out something like this to just get those 120 people to risk their life because it's still an avalanche prone area." }, { "end_time": "1:31:18", "start_time": "1:31:16", "text": "10 of their guys are buried down under." }, { "end_time": "1:31:19", "start_time": "1:31:19", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:31:21", "start_time": "1:31:20", "text": "They don't get any ESOPs." }, { "end_time": "1:31:23", "start_time": "1:31:21", "text": "They don't get any additional pay." }, { "end_time": "1:31:26", "start_time": "1:31:23", "text": "They don't get any additional nothing." }, { "end_time": "1:31:34", "start_time": "1:31:27", "text": "It's just the fact that one of their own is buried there and they need to pull him out and they just put everything into it." }, { "end_time": "1:31:35", "start_time": "1:31:35", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:31:42", "start_time": "1:31:35", "text": "At the cost of losing another 20 men, 30 men, it it will do whatever it takes to get that one guy out." }, { "end_time": "1:31:54", "start_time": "1:31:44", "text": "The chances of of one person staying alive, 3 hours after an avalanche reduces by about 50%." }, { "end_time": "1:31:56", "start_time": "1:31:56", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:32:00", "start_time": "1:31:56", "text": "From 3 hours to 9 hours that reduces to about 85%." }, { "end_time": "1:32:13", "start_time": "1:32:01", "text": "So it's only a 15% chance that you would find him alive and yet pumping in a 120 guys who are volunteers, each one of them is a volunteer To go there and dig and actually extract them, that calls us something." }, { "end_time": "1:32:15", "start_time": "1:32:13", "text": "So that that's that's the kind of, effort." }, { "end_time": "1:32:19", "start_time": "1:32:15", "text": "That's the kind of, of intensity with which, people work." }, { "end_time": "1:32:32", "start_time": "1:32:20", "text": "And it's such a pity that, you know, the guys are not, and yet it's the same, same guy who when he comes out of the army, he just employed as a guard standing outside." }, { "end_time": "1:32:33", "start_time": "1:32:33", "text": "That's it." }, { "end_time": "1:32:41", "start_time": "1:32:33", "text": "That that's the extent of his, office capability that is recognized by the world outside." }, { "end_time": "1:32:41", "start_time": "1:32:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:32:45", "start_time": "1:32:42", "text": "Want to highlight 2 things before we move on to the next question." }, { "end_time": "1:32:47", "start_time": "1:32:45", "text": "The first is that we need the listeners of the podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:32:50", "start_time": "1:32:47", "text": "Who've listened to it till this point to share this particular piece." }, { "end_time": "1:32:57", "start_time": "1:32:51", "text": "What sourcing will kind of happen through your effort Podcast spread by, word-of-mouth." }, { "end_time": "1:33:04", "start_time": "1:32:58", "text": "And, I I kind of one of the intentions with, starting this podcast was to change culture." }, { "end_time": "1:33:08", "start_time": "1:33:05", "text": "Fortunately, I have friends like Manish Bande, a common friend." }, { "end_time": "1:33:11", "start_time": "1:33:08", "text": "He's very driven about rebranding the Indian army." }, { "end_time": "1:33:16", "start_time": "1:33:11", "text": "So he was someone who nudged me to do these army side podcasts and I've enjoyed it because that's the second thing I want to highlight." }, { "end_time": "1:33:24", "start_time": "1:33:16", "text": "My second, main point that I'd like to bring across as a podcaster, your job is to deep dive into someone else's head." }, { "end_time": "1:33:30", "start_time": "1:33:24", "text": "And I've deep dived into like more than a 100 success so called successful people's heads, you know what society considers successful." }, { "end_time": "1:33:33", "start_time": "1:33:30", "text": "And when do I speak to army personnel, there's a very different energy." }, { "end_time": "1:33:36", "start_time": "1:33:33", "text": "There's a different approach about life." }, { "end_time": "1:33:38", "start_time": "1:33:36", "text": "There's like a very meticulous approach about life." }, { "end_time": "1:33:44", "start_time": "1:33:38", "text": "Like as in, if you're given a task, you all will break it down to more than the ABCs of things." }, { "end_time": "1:33:47", "start_time": "1:33:44", "text": "I think the average efficient human being breaks it down to the ABCs." }, { "end_time": "1:33:53", "start_time": "1:33:47", "text": "You guys will go to the core of even what's within the a, the ABCs of just the a, the ABCs of just the B." }, { "end_time": "1:33:59", "start_time": "1:33:53", "text": "So, that skill can be translated into any industry basically." }, { "end_time": "1:34:05", "start_time": "1:33:59", "text": "And it's, it's a very useful skill for the startup world, for the corporate world where, okay." }, { "end_time": "1:34:07", "start_time": "1:34:05", "text": "Then that's the other thing about the army." }, { "end_time": "1:34:08", "start_time": "1:34:07", "text": "You guys also very action oriented." }, { "end_time": "1:34:18", "start_time": "1:34:09", "text": "So you won't just break down the ABCs of the ABCs, but you'll break it down for making your process a lot easier for the whole team." }, { "end_time": "1:34:21", "start_time": "1:34:18", "text": "There's a, again, the teammate mentality, this efficiency mentality." }, { "end_time": "1:34:24", "start_time": "1:34:21", "text": "I think it'll slowly get discovered by the masses." }, { "end_time": "1:34:29", "start_time": "1:34:25", "text": "Even with this podcast, we have people from big corporates who follow the show." }, { "end_time": "1:34:37", "start_time": "1:34:29", "text": "We have, you know, entrepreneurs who follow the show and these kind of people need to leverage what Indian army veterans have, like, learned through their career." }, { "end_time": "1:34:39", "start_time": "1:34:37", "text": "So I personally see it changing." }, { "end_time": "1:34:40", "start_time": "1:34:39", "text": "So it's just about taking the voice out there." }, { "end_time": "1:34:41", "start_time": "1:34:40", "text": "I do so too." }, { "end_time": "1:34:42", "start_time": "1:34:41", "text": "I do so." }, { "end_time": "1:34:43", "start_time": "1:34:42", "text": "I completely agree." }, { "end_time": "1:34:48", "start_time": "1:34:43", "text": "I it's a well, I think it's, there is a time dependency here." }, { "end_time": "1:34:48", "start_time": "1:34:48", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:34:58", "start_time": "1:34:48", "text": "And, podcast such as yourself and a whole lot of other, such engagements help to bring this this feature to light." }, { "end_time": "1:34:58", "start_time": "1:34:58", "text": "Yes, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:35:03", "start_time": "1:34:58", "text": "And, it's an education in a in a slightly different dimension." }, { "end_time": "1:35:04", "start_time": "1:35:03", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:35:12", "start_time": "1:35:04", "text": "That, there is this, this, quantity that is available, that represents a certain quality." }, { "end_time": "1:35:16", "start_time": "1:35:12", "text": "And, you might as well, try and take a look at it." }, { "end_time": "1:35:20", "start_time": "1:35:16", "text": "You know, how did you figure, okay, that your time with the special forces is now open." }, { "end_time": "1:35:22", "start_time": "1:35:20", "text": "Now it's time for a new innings in life." }, { "end_time": "1:35:24", "start_time": "1:35:22", "text": "Like what was your mindset back then?" }, { "end_time": "1:35:25", "start_time": "1:35:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:35:28", "start_time": "1:35:25", "text": "Transitions are always difficult, right?" }, { "end_time": "1:35:29", "start_time": "1:35:28", "text": "It's always difficult to you." }, { "end_time": "1:35:34", "start_time": "1:35:29", "text": "You, you are in a certain comfort zone." }, { "end_time": "1:35:38", "start_time": "1:35:34", "text": "You are, confident of what you're doing." }, { "end_time": "1:35:43", "start_time": "1:35:39", "text": "There is a certain, mindset that's been shaped over time." }, { "end_time": "1:35:46", "start_time": "1:35:46", "text": "So all of that." }, { "end_time": "1:35:47", "start_time": "1:35:46", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:35:48", "start_time": "1:35:48", "text": "I'm just reminded." }, { "end_time": "1:35:53", "start_time": "1:35:50", "text": "So I got this cousin of mine who's much like yours." }, { "end_time": "1:35:58", "start_time": "1:35:53", "text": "He's an entrepreneur and he's done very well in life, extremely successful." }, { "end_time": "1:36:04", "start_time": "1:35:58", "text": "So he switched, from, he was a very successful IT, entrepreneur." }, { "end_time": "1:36:07", "start_time": "1:36:04", "text": "He set up his own company and, scaled it to amazing Heights." }, { "end_time": "1:36:13", "start_time": "1:36:08", "text": "And then, he shifted focus about, I think about a decade back, 8, 9 years back." }, { "end_time": "1:36:16", "start_time": "1:36:13", "text": "He's an engineer and, MBA." }, { "end_time": "1:36:18", "start_time": "1:36:17", "text": "He shifted focus completely." }, { "end_time": "1:36:23", "start_time": "1:36:18", "text": "He got our CEO to be running the company, hands on on a day on day to day basis." }, { "end_time": "1:36:30", "start_time": "1:36:23", "text": "And he switched over to, to genetics, to biotech and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "1:36:30", "start_time": "1:36:30", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:36:39", "start_time": "1:36:30", "text": "And this was just from the time when the, the, reading of the the genome sequencing had just about started." }, { "end_time": "1:36:39", "start_time": "1:36:39", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:36:44", "start_time": "1:36:39", "text": "This is the time that he switched and he he was so enamored by their entire thing and, you know, and he's now set up his own." }, { "end_time": "1:36:46", "start_time": "1:36:44", "text": "It was like 5 years ago." }, { "end_time": "1:36:47", "start_time": "1:36:46", "text": "This is about yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:36:49", "start_time": "1:36:47", "text": "Probably slightly more, not 5 years back." }, { "end_time": "1:36:51", "start_time": "1:36:49", "text": "If I remember right." }, { "end_time": "1:36:53", "start_time": "1:36:52", "text": "Well, I won't I won't have that." }, { "end_time": "1:36:56", "start_time": "1:36:53", "text": "I guess because that would be out of my depth." }, { "end_time": "1:36:59", "start_time": "1:36:56", "text": "So I wouldn't I wouldn't hazard a guess there." }, { "end_time": "1:37:02", "start_time": "1:36:59", "text": "But anyway, so a very successful guy." }, { "end_time": "1:37:04", "start_time": "1:37:02", "text": "So we were and we're very close." }, { "end_time": "1:37:06", "start_time": "1:37:04", "text": "So we have this regular conversation." }, { "end_time": "1:37:13", "start_time": "1:37:06", "text": "So whenever he flies in from the states, we would hook up and, you know, catch over a couple of drinks and just speak about left, right, and center." }, { "end_time": "1:37:22", "start_time": "1:37:13", "text": "So I think, it was in early 2002 or thereabouts." }, { "end_time": "1:37:27", "start_time": "1:37:23", "text": "So one of these conversations, he had just flown in and, we were having a drink." }, { "end_time": "1:37:31", "start_time": "1:37:27", "text": "And he asked, so what's happening with you?" }, { "end_time": "1:37:34", "start_time": "1:37:31", "text": "So I said, I'm in Kashmir." }, { "end_time": "1:37:43", "start_time": "1:37:35", "text": "So he said, so he asked me what I'm doing and I try and try to describe it to him in some shape and form." }, { "end_time": "1:37:46", "start_time": "1:37:45", "text": "So he said okay." }, { "end_time": "1:37:48", "start_time": "1:37:46", "text": "So have you thought about a life beyond the army?" }, { "end_time": "1:37:51", "start_time": "1:37:49", "text": "I I said life beyond the army." }, { "end_time": "1:37:54", "start_time": "1:37:51", "text": "So he has okay." }, { "end_time": "1:37:55", "start_time": "1:37:54", "text": "So what are you doing after this?" }, { "end_time": "1:37:56", "start_time": "1:37:55", "text": "Where do you go?" }, { "end_time": "1:38:04", "start_time": "1:37:56", "text": "So I said I've, I should be going in for my staff college, exam and, then hopefully get to do the staff course." }, { "end_time": "1:38:10", "start_time": "1:38:05", "text": "I don't know if you heard about the staff course, the different services staff college in, Wellington in Nilgiris." }, { "end_time": "1:38:14", "start_time": "1:38:11", "text": "That's supposed to be the stepping stone for, higher appointments in the army." }, { "end_time": "1:38:15", "start_time": "1:38:14", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:38:20", "start_time": "1:38:15", "text": "So I said I I hopefully, I should clear the exam and go for the staff course and thereafter, he said, okay." }, { "end_time": "1:38:21", "start_time": "1:38:20", "text": "Then what?" }, { "end_time": "1:38:27", "start_time": "1:38:21", "text": "Then I said, you know, couple of years, I'll be good to command my unit, become a full colonel, command my unit." }, { "end_time": "1:38:29", "start_time": "1:38:27", "text": "He said, then what?" }, { "end_time": "1:38:30", "start_time": "1:38:29", "text": "I said, then what?" }, { "end_time": "1:38:31", "start_time": "1:38:30", "text": "So that's when he asked me." }, { "end_time": "1:38:34", "start_time": "1:38:31", "text": "Have you ever thought about life beyond the army?" }, { "end_time": "1:38:35", "start_time": "1:38:34", "text": "I said no." }, { "end_time": "1:38:36", "start_time": "1:38:35", "text": "Not really." }, { "end_time": "1:38:38", "start_time": "1:38:38", "text": "He said why?" }, { "end_time": "1:38:39", "start_time": "1:38:38", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "1:38:40", "start_time": "1:38:39", "text": "Why can't you think of him?" }, { "end_time": "1:38:43", "start_time": "1:38:40", "text": "You did for 10, 12 years, whatever." }, { "end_time": "1:38:46", "start_time": "1:38:43", "text": "Why don't you think of something beyond the army?" }, { "end_time": "1:38:52", "start_time": "1:38:46", "text": "So I said, look, it's a it's a stable lifestyle." }, { "end_time": "1:38:57", "start_time": "1:38:52", "text": "It's a it's a secure environment and, you know so he said, you're in Kashmir." }, { "end_time": "1:39:06", "start_time": "1:38:58", "text": "You are out in operations probably, 6 to 12 times in a year, and, that's what you intend to be doing for the the Singh." }, { "end_time": "1:39:11", "start_time": "1:39:07", "text": "And each time you go out there, you're putting your life on the line." }, { "end_time": "1:39:12", "start_time": "1:39:11", "text": "There's a risk to your life." }, { "end_time": "1:39:20", "start_time": "1:39:12", "text": "So you're telling me that you're willing to take a risk on your life but not willing to take a risk of stepping out and do something different?" }, { "end_time": "1:39:42", "start_time": "1:39:20", "text": "And it hit me like a ton of bricks not because I wanted to do something else but I said, you know, despite all of this what I'm doing, my little world is just this and I'm not really able to comprehend or fathom what lies outside that little bubble and I thought that was a little it it kind of shook me up." }, { "end_time": "1:39:49", "start_time": "1:39:43", "text": "And then I thought, you know, I must start thinking about, life beyond." }, { "end_time": "1:39:53", "start_time": "1:39:51", "text": "Serving the army and serving the country is a privilege." }, { "end_time": "1:39:58", "start_time": "1:39:54", "text": "It's a fantastic experience that I had so far, but why not?" }, { "end_time": "1:40:01", "start_time": "1:39:58", "text": "And that's that's when the Kira first entered my mind." }, { "end_time": "1:40:02", "start_time": "1:40:01", "text": "I wouldn't give call it a Kira." }, { "end_time": "1:40:22", "start_time": "1:40:05", "text": "So after I finished command of my unit and, I thought and although I was doing very well in the army, I thought this is an appropriate time because my kids were also coming of the age when they were getting the 10th 12th standard And I could never be there with them when they were navigating their way through then." }, { "end_time": "1:40:27", "start_time": "1:40:22", "text": "But I thought, you know, now I should give them a little time and opt for some stability." }, { "end_time": "1:40:32", "start_time": "1:40:27", "text": "So these are the kind of factors that played in my mind, you know, when I when I decided to make that switch." }, { "end_time": "1:40:37", "start_time": "1:40:32", "text": "It wasn't a comfortable decision at all and there was a lot of soul searching that went in." }, { "end_time": "1:40:45", "start_time": "1:40:37", "text": "And a lot of my course mates actually told me, you know, because you you've done all the all the hard work." }, { "end_time": "1:40:46", "start_time": "1:40:45", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:40:53", "start_time": "1:40:47", "text": "To use that term, they said, and now it's time to, you know, enjoy the privileges." }, { "end_time": "1:40:59", "start_time": "1:40:54", "text": "But, I thought, you know, you there had to be a balance somewhere in life." }, { "end_time": "1:40:59", "start_time": "1:40:59", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:41:01", "start_time": "1:40:59", "text": "You can't just be going on the path." }, { "end_time": "1:41:03", "start_time": "1:41:01", "text": "Well, that's that's how it appealed to me." }, { "end_time": "1:41:17", "start_time": "1:41:03", "text": "So many of these factors came to play, and I thought, you know, now is a a reasonable time to having served the army for 21 years to step out and do something different and see, how the world outside operates." }, { "end_time": "1:41:20", "start_time": "1:41:17", "text": "And probably be an example for the rest of the army." }, { "end_time": "1:41:22", "start_time": "1:41:20", "text": "I'm not too sure about that." }, { "end_time": "1:41:26", "start_time": "1:41:22", "text": "A lot of my youngsters on my team and, you know, outside will say, oh, God." }, { "end_time": "1:41:27", "start_time": "1:41:26", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:41:36", "start_time": "1:41:27", "text": "I mean, not not everyone, but I'm sure there's, you know, that, maybe there are certain people in the army who are considering that life outside." }, { "end_time": "1:41:39", "start_time": "1:41:36", "text": "And there's a lot of value to be added to that world outside." }, { "end_time": "1:41:41", "start_time": "1:41:39", "text": "I can at least talk for the startup space in India." }, { "end_time": "1:41:45", "start_time": "1:41:41", "text": "People in the startup space would readily lap up people from the army." }, { "end_time": "1:41:48", "start_time": "1:41:45", "text": "Once they get to know about the brains, that are available." }, { "end_time": "1:41:49", "start_time": "1:41:49", "text": "Certainly." }, { "end_time": "1:42:03", "start_time": "1:41:50", "text": "I think, like, I mean, probably at the cost of reputation but like I said, you know, there's a lot of, of, latent talent that's available and I I identified that as idle capacity." }, { "end_time": "1:42:04", "start_time": "1:42:03", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:42:07", "start_time": "1:42:04", "text": "And let's take this pandemic for example." }, { "end_time": "1:42:08", "start_time": "1:42:08", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:42:21", "start_time": "1:42:09", "text": "It's it's about, the ability to sit down and think through and see how things are gonna roll a couple of weeks down the line, couple of months down the line, couple of years down the line." }, { "end_time": "1:42:27", "start_time": "1:42:21", "text": "And being able to, put in place, processes and systems to be done." }, { "end_time": "1:42:38", "start_time": "1:42:27", "text": "And the, the average army officer is very well trained to be doing that." }, { "end_time": "1:42:39", "start_time": "1:42:38", "text": "That's that's his bread and butter." }, { "end_time": "1:42:47", "start_time": "1:42:40", "text": "And so much of competence, so much of, of expertise that has been picked up along the way." }, { "end_time": "1:42:51", "start_time": "1:42:47", "text": "It's just just rotting away with, people not being able to exploit it." }, { "end_time": "1:43:07", "start_time": "1:42:51", "text": "So if you had to highlight like the difference in mindset of an average person who's not gone through the whole army experience was someone who has, what are the advantages here which apply to the corporate world, to the startup world, to even the world of leadership and motivation training, you know?" }, { "end_time": "1:43:10", "start_time": "1:43:08", "text": "What can the army actually bring to this world?" }, { "end_time": "1:43:15", "start_time": "1:43:10", "text": "Well, I I really won't generalize it to say that, you know, these are, 2 separate buckets." }, { "end_time": "1:43:16", "start_time": "1:43:15", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:43:18", "start_time": "1:43:16", "text": "And there there's a lot of overlap that happens." }, { "end_time": "1:43:18", "start_time": "1:43:18", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:43:23", "start_time": "1:43:19", "text": "It's essentially a question of let let me let me let me put it this way." }, { "end_time": "1:43:26", "start_time": "1:43:23", "text": "That there are 2 or 3 things that actually stand out." }, { "end_time": "1:43:27", "start_time": "1:43:26", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:43:33", "start_time": "1:43:27", "text": "Number 1 is that are people able to correlate and identify with a larger cause?" }, { "end_time": "1:43:39", "start_time": "1:43:34", "text": "In the army, in the special forces, specifically and in the larger army as well." }, { "end_time": "1:43:44", "start_time": "1:43:39", "text": "There is a cause that you're you're, fighting for, that you're serving, right?" }, { "end_time": "1:43:55", "start_time": "1:43:45", "text": "And the ability to paint that picture at the strategic leadership level, whether it be in the army or the corporate world to paint that picture that this we are actually part of a larger cause." }, { "end_time": "1:43:56", "start_time": "1:43:56", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:44:03", "start_time": "1:43:56", "text": "It's not just the greenbacks or the money, the cash flow alone that counts." }, { "end_time": "1:44:04", "start_time": "1:44:03", "text": "It's an important part." }, { "end_time": "1:44:05", "start_time": "1:44:04", "text": "Don't don't get me wrong." }, { "end_time": "1:44:09", "start_time": "1:44:05", "text": "I'm not suggesting that, you know, cash doesn't play a part of it at all." }, { "end_time": "1:44:14", "start_time": "1:44:10", "text": "It's an important part, but that ability to correlate it with a larger cause." }, { "end_time": "1:44:23", "start_time": "1:44:14", "text": "And this is something that, you know, the likes of, of, Bezos and, Microsoft and yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:44:35", "start_time": "1:44:23", "text": "Elon Musk and all these guys have been able to paint that, the larger picture and the ability to gravitate people towards that cause and be part of the process that drives that change." }, { "end_time": "1:44:36", "start_time": "1:44:36", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:44:39", "start_time": "1:44:36", "text": "And that's I think a very very important process." }, { "end_time": "1:44:55", "start_time": "1:44:40", "text": "So if you've been, wearing the olive greens in your earlier avatar, or the whites and the blues for my navy and air force counterparts, There's an alignment there that automatically kicks in." }, { "end_time": "1:44:57", "start_time": "1:44:55", "text": "So they know that the alignment can." }, { "end_time": "1:45:00", "start_time": "1:44:57", "text": "So you don't need to paint that picture for them." }, { "end_time": "1:45:03", "start_time": "1:45:00", "text": "The ability to correlate that is very much easier." }, { "end_time": "1:45:14", "start_time": "1:45:04", "text": "But having said that, it would be an insult to the intelligence of so many of our youngsters and so many of our people out there to say that they require specialized training in that." }, { "end_time": "1:45:15", "start_time": "1:45:14", "text": "These are all very instinctive." }, { "end_time": "1:45:16", "start_time": "1:45:15", "text": "These are all very intuitive." }, { "end_time": "1:45:24", "start_time": "1:45:17", "text": "So a person will very quickly catch on if there is a if there is a feeling that this is a cause beyond." }, { "end_time": "1:45:26", "start_time": "1:45:25", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:45:30", "start_time": "1:45:26", "text": "A larger, cause that's being that we're working towards." }, { "end_time": "1:45:44", "start_time": "1:45:32", "text": "But also, probably on a counterintuitive process, is also the fact that, there are there are ways to channel that energy." }, { "end_time": "1:45:45", "start_time": "1:45:45", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:46:00", "start_time": "1:45:46", "text": "Now it may not necessarily be that, you have, a certain, Microsoft or Amazon or Google that needs to come together and paint that picture." }, { "end_time": "1:46:04", "start_time": "1:46:01", "text": "This intuitive process, you know, is bottom up rather than a top driven." }, { "end_time": "1:46:08", "start_time": "1:46:05", "text": "Or let's say it should meet somewhere, midway." }, { "end_time": "1:46:09", "start_time": "1:46:09", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "1:46:13", "start_time": "1:46:10", "text": "It's like basically they kind of bring that team player spirit." }, { "end_time": "1:46:14", "start_time": "1:46:13", "text": "Oh, absolutely." }, { "end_time": "1:46:15", "start_time": "1:46:14", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "1:46:19", "start_time": "1:46:16", "text": "I don't know if you read this book, Team of Teams." }, { "end_time": "1:46:20", "start_time": "1:46:20", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:46:20", "start_time": "1:46:20", "text": "I haven't." }, { "end_time": "1:46:21", "start_time": "1:46:20", "text": "It's a brilliant book." }, { "end_time": "1:46:23", "start_time": "1:46:21", "text": "It's about the armed forces?" }, { "end_time": "1:46:23", "start_time": "1:46:23", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:46:54", "start_time": "1:46:23", "text": "It's it's about, it's about how teams, small teams and he's just picking up the, the idea of the special forces which operate on small teams and he's talking about a situation in a VUCA world where the basic premise changes so dramatically and so rapidly that you need these small teams to be collaborating with each other and not drive teams so large that they fail to start functioning, together." }, { "end_time": "1:46:58", "start_time": "1:46:54", "text": "Which is the big problem I see in the corporate world, at least from the outside." }, { "end_time": "1:46:59", "start_time": "1:46:58", "text": "That it's not agile." }, { "end_time": "1:47:03", "start_time": "1:46:59", "text": "And that's why there's room for so many startups to come up in this country today." }, { "end_time": "1:47:04", "start_time": "1:47:03", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "1:47:09", "start_time": "1:47:04", "text": "And, this is once again, I don't remember, I think it was in, Malcolm Gladwell in outliers." }, { "end_time": "1:47:21", "start_time": "1:47:09", "text": "So he talks about this, That typically the moment a team size exceeds somewhere about a 150 or so, then you're no longer, you're sacrificing, efficiency." }, { "end_time": "1:47:22", "start_time": "1:47:21", "text": "I'm sorry." }, { "end_time": "1:47:22", "start_time": "1:47:22", "text": "The other way around." }, { "end_time": "1:47:25", "start_time": "1:47:22", "text": "You're sacrificing, creativity for efficiency." }, { "end_time": "1:47:28", "start_time": "1:47:26", "text": "You you are efficient, but you're killing creativity." }, { "end_time": "1:47:29", "start_time": "1:47:28", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "1:47:30", "start_time": "1:47:29", "text": "Because teams don't collaborate." }, { "end_time": "1:47:30", "start_time": "1:47:30", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:47:40", "start_time": "1:47:30", "text": "You know, the the team becomes so ungainly or unwieldy that they have no ability to be a transaction or everything is actually on a transactional level." }, { "end_time": "1:47:40", "start_time": "1:47:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:47:41", "start_time": "1:47:40", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:47:48", "start_time": "1:47:44", "text": "I feel like that there's maybe like 10 more podcast than you." }, { "end_time": "1:47:51", "start_time": "1:47:48", "text": "But maybe for this episode we should just stop it here." }, { "end_time": "1:47:55", "start_time": "1:47:51", "text": "Leave the audience with, you know, just a trailer or everything you bring to the table." }, { "end_time": "1:47:58", "start_time": "1:47:55", "text": "I also feel the world of the internet hasn't discovered all of you yet." }, { "end_time": "1:48:00", "start_time": "1:47:58", "text": "So this is just the first piece." }, { "end_time": "1:48:08", "start_time": "1:48:00", "text": "So some, signing of note like from you, like just for the world or the, just for the listeners." }, { "end_time": "1:48:10", "start_time": "1:48:08", "text": "Who've heard the podcast till this point." }, { "end_time": "1:48:13", "start_time": "1:48:11", "text": "Something about the army." }, { "end_time": "1:48:15", "start_time": "1:48:13", "text": "Well, the army is a fabulous organization." }, { "end_time": "1:48:29", "start_time": "1:48:16", "text": "It is in fact, one of the, one of those organizations, which, if I'm given a chance and probably sounds dramatic, but, given a chance it's an organization I'd love to serve once again." }, { "end_time": "1:48:30", "start_time": "1:48:29", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:48:31", "start_time": "1:48:30", "text": "Going into the future." }, { "end_time": "1:48:42", "start_time": "1:48:32", "text": "I don't see too much of a chance happening, in this lifetime because I think I've run my course but, probably, you know, it's it's a beautiful organization." }, { "end_time": "1:48:46", "start_time": "1:48:42", "text": "It's structured so, phenomenally well." }, { "end_time": "1:48:52", "start_time": "1:48:46", "text": "And, it's been, an organization that has delivered time and time again." }, { "end_time": "1:48:52", "start_time": "1:48:52", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:48:55", "start_time": "1:48:52", "text": "When every single take this pandemic for example." }, { "end_time": "1:49:00", "start_time": "1:48:56", "text": "When everyone's back was to the wall, the clamor that started is let's give it out to the army." }, { "end_time": "1:49:01", "start_time": "1:49:00", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:49:02", "start_time": "1:49:01", "text": "And they will bring it back on track." }, { "end_time": "1:49:03", "start_time": "1:49:02", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:49:11", "start_time": "1:49:03", "text": "When the bridge in Matunga was it or where did it collapse on that that bridge in, on the railway tracks?" }, { "end_time": "1:49:12", "start_time": "1:49:11", "text": "It collapsed." }, { "end_time": "1:49:13", "start_time": "1:49:12", "text": "They brought in the army." }, { "end_time": "1:49:14", "start_time": "1:49:14", "text": "See." }, { "end_time": "1:49:32", "start_time": "1:49:15", "text": "So, you know, it's it runs again and again and again because there's a set there's a belief system and, which which ensures that you are able to to consistently deliver, irrespective of the circumstances around you." }, { "end_time": "1:49:33", "start_time": "1:49:32", "text": "Reliability." }, { "end_time": "1:49:36", "start_time": "1:49:33", "text": "Well, adaptability, Flexibility." }, { "end_time": "1:49:39", "start_time": "1:49:37", "text": "10 more podcast with you, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:49:41", "start_time": "1:49:39", "text": "Thank you for being on the Ranveer Show today." }, { "end_time": "1:49:42", "start_time": "1:49:41", "text": "Thank you, Ranveer." }, { "end_time": "1:49:43", "start_time": "1:49:42", "text": "I really enjoyed the the podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:49:44", "start_time": "1:49:43", "text": "Thank you very much." }, { "end_time": "1:49:45", "start_time": "1:49:44", "text": "I'm glad, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:49:46", "start_time": "1:49:45", "text": "Again, just the beginning." }, { "end_time": "1:49:47", "start_time": "1:49:46", "text": "Just the beginning with this." }, { "end_time": "1:49:47", "start_time": "1:49:47", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:49:48", "start_time": "1:49:47", "text": "Thank you, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:49:52", "start_time": "1:49:49", "text": "That was our episode with Colonel Subhan Balakrishnan." }, { "end_time": "1:49:54", "start_time": "1:49:52", "text": "If you enjoyed it, make sure you like it." }, { "end_time": "1:49:56", "start_time": "1:49:54", "text": "Make sure you share it with your friends." }, { "end_time": "1:50:04", "start_time": "1:49:56", "text": "Remember, guys, as sir said, the Indian army isn't out there in mainstream media as much as it should be out there." }, { "end_time": "1:50:07", "start_time": "1:50:04", "text": "The American Army has spoken about so much." }, { "end_time": "1:50:09", "start_time": "1:50:07", "text": "Even the British Army has spoken about so much." }, { "end_time": "1:50:14", "start_time": "1:50:09", "text": "And here we have an army that's widely respected all over the world." }, { "end_time": "1:50:19", "start_time": "1:50:14", "text": "An army that is considered to be one of the most efficient, one of the most deadly armies." }, { "end_time": "1:50:22", "start_time": "1:50:20", "text": "That's what this episode aimed to do." }, { "end_time": "1:50:31", "start_time": "1:50:22", "text": "There's no conversation with a former army person or a current army person that I personally don't gain from, that I personally don't learn from." }, { "end_time": "1:50:34", "start_time": "1:50:32", "text": "Soldiers are just built differently." }, { "end_time": "1:50:36", "start_time": "1:50:34", "text": "They're trained to think differently." }, { "end_time": "1:50:39", "start_time": "1:50:36", "text": "I hope it's made you think as much." }, { "end_time": "1:50:42", "start_time": "1:50:40", "text": "Remember to follow the runway show on Spotify." }, { "end_time": "1:50:44", "start_time": "1:50:42", "text": "We're a Spotify exclusive now." }, { "end_time": "1:50:49", "start_time": "1:50:44", "text": "Every episode is available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world." }, { "end_time": "1:50:54", "start_time": "1:50:50", "text": "This was another incredible Indian Army themed episode of the Ranvee Show." }, { "end_time": "1:50:56", "start_time": "1:50:55", "text": "Lots more coming your way." }, { "end_time": "1:51:01", "start_time": "1:50:56", "text": "Do let us know by commenting on social media, by sending us your DMs." }, { "end_time": "1:51:07", "start_time": "1:51:01", "text": "Tell us which other Indian Army heroes would you like to see on the Ranveer Show and the Ranveer Show Hindi." }, { "end_time": "1:51:10", "start_time": "1:51:07", "text": "We will try our best to bring them to you guys." }, { "end_time": "1:51:13", "start_time": "1:51:10", "text": "If you enjoyed this episode, hit thumbs up." }, { "end_time": "1:51:15", "start_time": "1:51:13", "text": "Share it with your friends." }, { "end_time": "1:51:17", "start_time": "1:51:16", "text": "Happy Independence Day." } ] }

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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:05", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "It's a bit like if you were to ask some very important person's secretary, where is the boss?" }, { "end_time": "0:09", "start_time": "0:06", "text": "She will never tell because she's been trained not to tell." }, { "end_time": "0:11", "start_time": "0:09", "text": "But if you say, when is Anand coming back from China?" }, { "end_time": "0:12", "start_time": "0:11", "text": "She'll correct you." }, { "end_time": "0:13", "start_time": "0:12", "text": "But he's not in China." }, { "end_time": "0:13", "start_time": "0:13", "text": "He's in Japan." }, { "end_time": "0:15", "start_time": "0:14", "text": "She'll correct you." }, { "end_time": "0:17", "start_time": "0:15", "text": "She won't give you the answer, but she'll correct you." }, { "end_time": "0:30", "start_time": "0:17", "text": "And and so anybody who says I don't have the time, you can't be busier than a Mukesh Ambani or you can't be busier than a Bill Gates, and you are aware of this that each one of these leaders has their own way of constantly learning and updating them." }, { "end_time": "0:31", "start_time": "0:30", "text": "Who is a powerful leader?" }, { "end_time": "0:37", "start_time": "0:31", "text": "A powerful leader is 1 in whose room when you enter and come out, you feel powerful." }, { "end_time": "0:39", "start_time": "0:37", "text": "You feel energetic." }, { "end_time": "0:45", "start_time": "0:39", "text": "A powerless leader is 1 in whose room if you go, you're scared, and when you come out, you are, like, half of what you were earlier." }, { "end_time": "1:04", "start_time": "1:00", "text": "Captain Raghuraman sir, thank you for being on the Ranveer show once again." }, { "end_time": "1:05", "start_time": "1:04", "text": "Three times in a row." }, { "end_time": "1:06", "start_time": "1:05", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:09", "start_time": "1:06", "text": "We just recorded our Hindi episode, which was about the army." }, { "end_time": "1:11", "start_time": "1:09", "text": "This is our second English episode." }, { "end_time": "1:14", "start_time": "1:11", "text": "Our first one was received extremely well." }, { "end_time": "1:19", "start_time": "1:14", "text": "I've never had so many people write in to me about, thanking me for a particular guest." }, { "end_time": "1:22", "start_time": "1:19", "text": "So there's a lot of young aspiring army cadets." }, { "end_time": "1:24", "start_time": "1:22", "text": "A lot of people who wanted to build their careers in the army." }, { "end_time": "1:27", "start_time": "1:24", "text": "I think that's what that episode did for the world." }, { "end_time": "1:31", "start_time": "1:27", "text": "Honestly, this one I'm doing it from a very personal selfish perspective." }, { "end_time": "1:32", "start_time": "1:31", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:40", "start_time": "1:32", "text": "I just wanna extract all your learnings because you've had a very, complex career." }, { "end_time": "1:46", "start_time": "1:40", "text": "Like, I feel like after the army you evolved into this corporate bhajah as we call it." }, { "end_time": "1:49", "start_time": "1:46", "text": "And then you've done a bunch of different things in the corporate world." }, { "end_time": "1:51", "start_time": "1:49", "text": "We also had a stint with reliance." }, { "end_time": "1:55", "start_time": "1:51", "text": "You've, worked with Mukesh Ambani as we spoke on in the last podcast." }, { "end_time": "2:00", "start_time": "1:57", "text": "While I know that that's not a big deal, I gotta sell some masala to my audiences." }, { "end_time": "2:01", "start_time": "2:00", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "2:03", "start_time": "2:01", "text": "I mean, it's a big deal to work with, Mukesh Ambani." }, { "end_time": "2:05", "start_time": "2:03", "text": "I mean, all said and done." }, { "end_time": "2:12", "start_time": "2:05", "text": "He is a corporate leader of a very, very different caliber in a very, very different era." }, { "end_time": "2:33", "start_time": "2:12", "text": "I mean, I don't know, 10 years, 15 years down the line when they write the history of the way Indian telecom evolved and how people have got access, including millions of people who probably now have access to shows like yours, and have actually given life to a completely different medium of learning, communication, healthcare." }, { "end_time": "2:38", "start_time": "2:34", "text": "His name is gonna be there in that chapter as a person who did all of that." }, { "end_time": "2:38", "start_time": "2:38", "text": "I understand." }, { "end_time": "2:41", "start_time": "2:38", "text": "He's gonna be a massive section of this particular episode." }, { "end_time": "2:51", "start_time": "2:42", "text": "But you've also gotten access to a lot of powerful people, famous people, so called rich people over, you know, the course of your career." }, { "end_time": "2:56", "start_time": "2:51", "text": "You had learnings from them, and I know that you're one of those fierce learners that I know personally." }, { "end_time": "2:59", "start_time": "2:56", "text": "So, let's just talk about your career." }, { "end_time": "3:07", "start_time": "2:59", "text": "And as we do with every podcast, I'm gonna stop you and ask you for my tangential So So let me start, from leaving the army, and this happened, 1998." }, { "end_time": "3:10", "start_time": "3:08", "text": "It was 15th August." }, { "end_time": "3:11", "start_time": "3:10", "text": "I remember my last day." }, { "end_time": "3:12", "start_time": "3:11", "text": "That's army's sense of humor." }, { "end_time": "3:13", "start_time": "3:12", "text": "Independence Day." }, { "end_time": "3:15", "start_time": "3:13", "text": "So I left them." }, { "end_time": "3:26", "start_time": "3:15", "text": "And, actually, like many things that happen to, army folks when they leave, their initial first point of contact is usually an ex army person who's left ahead of you." }, { "end_time": "3:40", "start_time": "3:26", "text": "And and in my case, it was a I was very lucky that I had a course mate not a course mate, a unit officer who was part of my unit called captain Alok Parashar, who was a SS ops service officer who had left, before me." }, { "end_time": "3:42", "start_time": "3:40", "text": "And he had joined the Mahindra group." }, { "end_time": "3:52", "start_time": "3:44", "text": "And at that point, when I was leaving, I was my last posting was in a place called Amangar, which is, you might be aware about, 3 hours away from, Pune." }, { "end_time": "4:02", "start_time": "3:52", "text": "And, what had happened was that, institution called the Mahindra United World College, the UWC, United World College, this is a very famous institution." }, { "end_time": "4:03", "start_time": "4:02", "text": "You should Google it up." }, { "end_time": "4:10", "start_time": "4:03", "text": "Matter of fact, I encourage all listeners who are, in the age group to appear for their, 10th exam." }, { "end_time": "4:13", "start_time": "4:10", "text": "They should look at this UWC as a concept." }, { "end_time": "4:13", "start_time": "4:13", "text": "It's it's revolutionary." }, { "end_time": "4:23", "start_time": "4:15", "text": "The one in India is, sponsored was sponsored by the Mahindra Group, and that's why it's called the Mahindra United World College, but it's on top of a mountain in Mulshi." }, { "end_time": "4:29", "start_time": "4:24", "text": "And amongst its 200 students, it has close to about 80 to 90 countries being represented there." }, { "end_time": "4:44", "start_time": "4:29", "text": "So it's a very, very rich multicultural environment, a very novel concept of education where they say that we put kids who are from different cultures, who have learned their own cultures, but are still at an age where they're open to learning other cultures and put them together." }, { "end_time": "4:57", "start_time": "4:45", "text": "And so you put a German and an Israeli and a French and a Spanish guy in one room, so when they move away from there, they know that at least there is one good German whom I can talk to." }, { "end_time": "4:57", "start_time": "4:57", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "5:05", "start_time": "4:57", "text": "So it it is to produce this college of leaders, so to speak, collegium of leaders who, as they grow, will know each other multi culturally." }, { "end_time": "5:06", "start_time": "5:05", "text": "That that was the concept." }, { "end_time": "5:15", "start_time": "5:07", "text": "So this school was being set up, and this is the year 1998 when Internet was still I mean, you guys won't even remember the tone of a modem." }, { "end_time": "5:20", "start_time": "5:15", "text": "It used to make that weird funny sound, and it was 14 kpbs was considered to be, like, high speed." }, { "end_time": "5:22", "start_time": "5:21", "text": "It was those days." }, { "end_time": "5:26", "start_time": "5:23", "text": "And I was still, in the, army." }, { "end_time": "5:29", "start_time": "5:26", "text": "I was, it was my last month, last couple of months." }, { "end_time": "5:35", "start_time": "5:29", "text": "And, I remember captain Alok Parash calling me from, Pune once and saying that, hey, listen." }, { "end_time": "5:38", "start_time": "5:35", "text": "We got this thing called the Internet and there's something." }, { "end_time": "5:40", "start_time": "5:38", "text": "I don't understand this stuff." }, { "end_time": "5:50", "start_time": "5:40", "text": "So can you just come over and, you know, sort of sit on our side of the table because we are discussing with a few vendors about, you know, this kind of, Internet connectivity and all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "5:55", "start_time": "5:51", "text": "So I kind of knew enough about computers at that time." }, { "end_time": "5:56", "start_time": "5:55", "text": "You learned it in the arts?" }, { "end_time": "5:56", "start_time": "5:56", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "6:03", "start_time": "5:56", "text": "I was working on a few projects which required me to learn, a lot about computers and a lot about technology." }, { "end_time": "6:09", "start_time": "6:04", "text": "And that's another advantage, by the way, of working in the government and especially in the forces." }, { "end_time": "6:13", "start_time": "6:09", "text": "You get, you get to work with technology, which is Ahead of its time." }, { "end_time": "6:14", "start_time": "6:13", "text": "Ahead of its time." }, { "end_time": "6:20", "start_time": "6:14", "text": "I mean, I don't think I I learned my computers in the Military College of Telecommunication Engineering, MCT." }, { "end_time": "6:24", "start_time": "6:21", "text": "It's a short course, but I learned my programming on a mainframe." }, { "end_time": "6:29", "start_time": "6:24", "text": "And mainframe, I mean, I I don't think even MNCs could afford a mainframe at that point of time." }, { "end_time": "6:32", "start_time": "6:29", "text": "So you do have a lot of exposure." }, { "end_time": "6:45", "start_time": "6:32", "text": "And, of course, a lot of it was learned also with my job because I was in a branch of the army, which was the mechanized infantry, and that did have a second generation missiles, which had some sort of computing power on board." }, { "end_time": "6:48", "start_time": "6:45", "text": "And so you needed to understand the fundamentals of computing." }, { "end_time": "6:54", "start_time": "6:48", "text": "And, of course, a large part of learning in life is your personal passion, so I was passionate about computers." }, { "end_time": "7:01", "start_time": "6:56", "text": "So I, came to attend this meeting, and this was I'm seeing this college for the first time." }, { "end_time": "7:03", "start_time": "7:01", "text": "It is still under construction." }, { "end_time": "7:08", "start_time": "7:03", "text": "It's getting built, and, there were a few vendors who had come to give their proposals." }, { "end_time": "7:12", "start_time": "7:09", "text": "And, essentially, they gave a non feasibility report." }, { "end_time": "7:15", "start_time": "7:12", "text": "They said that, you know, Internet connectivity can't be brought over here, and there are reasons for that." }, { "end_time": "7:22", "start_time": "7:15", "text": "The reason is that firstly, it was 40 kilometers away from Pune, and Pune was the nearest city where there was Internet to begin with." }, { "end_time": "7:27", "start_time": "7:22", "text": "Secondly, this was on top of a mountain, which is in the middle of a reserve forest." }, { "end_time": "7:40", "start_time": "7:27", "text": "So you either had to draw cable all the way from Pune to this place, a fiber optic cable, or you had to set up, relay stations, you know, which is radio based relay stations." }, { "end_time": "7:51", "start_time": "7:41", "text": "Now radio based relay stations could not be set up because the area from Puna to the college, it was interspersed with mountains, and these mountains were reserved forests." }, { "end_time": "7:59", "start_time": "7:51", "text": "So not only would you have to put a tower on each one of them, but you would also have to service the tower, which means you need a track to reach that place to fill up diesel." }, { "end_time": "8:00", "start_time": "7:59", "text": "It was not feasible." }, { "end_time": "8:09", "start_time": "8:01", "text": "And, drawing a fiber optic cable all the way from Pune right up to the college was also impractical because MTNL or MNL, you know, whatever." }, { "end_time": "8:13", "start_time": "8:09", "text": "The VSNL, they were not going to lay a cable for a school at the other end." }, { "end_time": "8:19", "start_time": "8:14", "text": "And a school which would, because it's an academic institution, pay 1 fourth of the fee anyway." }, { "end_time": "8:21", "start_time": "8:19", "text": "So one customer, they they wouldn't do that." }, { "end_time": "8:32", "start_time": "8:22", "text": "So anyway, there's a non feasibility report was given, and I remember sitting there in that stupid sentence to say, but I kind of said it that, I mean, if connectivity can be provided in the glacier, why can't it be done here?" }, { "end_time": "8:47", "start_time": "8:32", "text": "Very silly statement to make because the stakes are different and all the But the then headmaster, doctor David Wilkinson, who set up this college, he kind of Hold on." }, { "end_time": "8:49", "start_time": "8:47", "text": "I just wanna give the listeners some context." }, { "end_time": "8:49", "start_time": "8:49", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "8:52", "start_time": "8:49", "text": "You also served in on the sea archang glacier." }, { "end_time": "8:52", "start_time": "8:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:54", "start_time": "8:52", "text": "I mean, me and 80% of the Indian army." }, { "end_time": "8:57", "start_time": "8:54", "text": "So it's, it's That's that's the glacier we're speaking of." }, { "end_time": "8:59", "start_time": "8:57", "text": "That's anyway, so it it is yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:03", "start_time": "8:59", "text": "So what I meant was that it can be done in difficult places, so why can't it be done here?" }, { "end_time": "9:07", "start_time": "9:03", "text": "Of course, the context is completely different, and that was a silly statement to make." }, { "end_time": "9:12", "start_time": "9:08", "text": "But, the headmaster, he caught on to that, and that was the end of the story." }, { "end_time": "9:20", "start_time": "9:12", "text": "I went back to Nagar, and after a couple of weeks, I got another message from, captain Parashar and said that, can you come over to Bombay?" }, { "end_time": "9:21", "start_time": "9:20", "text": "There's a meeting in Bombay." }, { "end_time": "9:22", "start_time": "9:22", "text": "Said, Okay, fine." }, { "end_time": "9:26", "start_time": "9:22", "text": "And I came on a Saturday, I remember, and it was in Mahindra Tower." }, { "end_time": "9:36", "start_time": "9:26", "text": "So this is the first time I'm seeing I still remember, I tell some of my friends even now that when he was telling me to look for a landmark, he said this all India radio tower is the biggest landmark." }, { "end_time": "9:39", "start_time": "9:37", "text": "And I now sometimes go on the ceiling." }, { "end_time": "9:47", "start_time": "9:39", "text": "You can't even see the tower because of the skyscraper that had come, but that point of time, Mahindra Towers, 6th floor building was called the Mahindra Tower." }, { "end_time": "9:47", "start_time": "9:47", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "10:01", "start_time": "9:48", "text": "So I, went there for this meeting, and, mister Harish Mahindra, Anand Anand's father was alive and it was his personal you know, he was passionate about this project, and it's a saga of how the project it wouldn't have got done but for him." }, { "end_time": "10:12", "start_time": "10:02", "text": "And there was this whole, team sitting there, and I remember, David Wilkinson sort of introducing me to them and saying that he said that he can do it." }, { "end_time": "10:14", "start_time": "10:13", "text": "So I said I didn't say I can do it." }, { "end_time": "10:15", "start_time": "10:14", "text": "I said it can be done." }, { "end_time": "10:18", "start_time": "10:15", "text": "So he said, would you be willing to take up this?" }, { "end_time": "10:19", "start_time": "10:18", "text": "And I said, fine." }, { "end_time": "10:19", "start_time": "10:19", "text": "I'll give it a shot." }, { "end_time": "10:26", "start_time": "10:19", "text": "And that's how I joined the Mahindra College with the very limited objective of setting up the Internet connectivity." }, { "end_time": "10:35", "start_time": "10:27", "text": "And, honestly and I think that's a philosophy I've followed, learned, and followed throughout my life, and I think that's what the army teaches you." }, { "end_time": "10:37", "start_time": "10:35", "text": "I didn't know how the hell I'm gonna do it." }, { "end_time": "10:38", "start_time": "10:37", "text": "I had no idea." }, { "end_time": "10:43", "start_time": "10:38", "text": "And they're the 3 companies which had given a non feasibility report, and these are 3 technology companies." }, { "end_time": "10:47", "start_time": "10:43", "text": "So I did not know how I was gonna do it, but I knew I was gonna get it done." }, { "end_time": "10:59", "start_time": "10:50", "text": "So then, of course, I went, figured out, talked to various people, talked to companies who might be able to help this, that, all of those things, and then we found a a breakthrough." }, { "end_time": "11:11", "start_time": "11:00", "text": "The breakthrough was that while there was no way to connect a fiber optic cable all the way from Pune to this college, which is on top of a mountain in a village called Khubavali." }, { "end_time": "11:15", "start_time": "11:11", "text": "And by the way, those days, the telephone exchange there was not even digital." }, { "end_time": "11:17", "start_time": "11:15", "text": "It was actually a mechanical telephone exchange." }, { "end_time": "11:23", "start_time": "11:17", "text": "I don't know if you might have seen it in movies that, you know, a a dial goes up and turns around and then falls back, and it's completely mechanical." }, { "end_time": "11:26", "start_time": "11:23", "text": "So no way that the entire system would have to be rehauled." }, { "end_time": "11:35", "start_time": "11:28", "text": "So I went to, the, director of, the telecom there, doctor Rupia." }, { "end_time": "11:36", "start_time": "11:35", "text": "I still remember his name." }, { "end_time": "11:40", "start_time": "11:36", "text": "Doctor Rupia, I went to him, and I told him that, you know, we need this connectivity." }, { "end_time": "11:41", "start_time": "11:40", "text": "And he said the same thing to me, captain's hub." }, { "end_time": "11:44", "start_time": "11:41", "text": "I mean, at the other end of this pipeline, there is a school." }, { "end_time": "11:48", "start_time": "11:44", "text": "So, commercially, this has got no viability and all of that to us." }, { "end_time": "11:50", "start_time": "11:48", "text": "So this was the year 1999." }, { "end_time": "11:57", "start_time": "11:51", "text": "So I just told them, you know, we've got these 200 kids there, and they come from these 80 different countries." }, { "end_time": "11:59", "start_time": "11:58", "text": "They keep asking me one question." }, { "end_time": "12:03", "start_time": "11:59", "text": "They say if India can blow a nuclear bomb, why can't you give us Internet connectivity?" }, { "end_time": "12:09", "start_time": "12:07", "text": "He suddenly took it okay." }, { "end_time": "12:12", "start_time": "12:09", "text": "The prestige of the country, we have to find a way out." }, { "end_time": "12:36", "start_time": "12:12", "text": "And that, you know, become that became that was, I think, my first learning that if you make something a dragon that has to be killed and a task that has to be done for the prestige, for the honor, then usually impossible tasks get done because everyone puts their shoulder to it." }, { "end_time": "12:38", "start_time": "12:36", "text": "Everyone puts their, you know, might to it." }, { "end_time": "12:41", "start_time": "12:38", "text": "And this project, got a life of its own." }, { "end_time": "12:43", "start_time": "12:41", "text": "We also called it, project Meghduth." }, { "end_time": "12:45", "start_time": "12:44", "text": "You know, Mgdut being cloud messenger." }, { "end_time": "12:50", "start_time": "12:45", "text": "And it's also, again, comes from my experience in Siachen because that is also called Mgdut." }, { "end_time": "13:03", "start_time": "12:51", "text": "So, we decided eventually the solution that was found was that if we cannot get connectivity using radio right up to Pune, up to where can we get connectivity?" }, { "end_time": "13:09", "start_time": "13:03", "text": "And there's a place called Pirangut, which now is a big industrial hub, but at that point of time was hardly there was one telephone exchange there." }, { "end_time": "13:15", "start_time": "13:10", "text": "So the, telecom authorities agreed to lay a fiber optic cable up to Pirangut." }, { "end_time": "13:23", "start_time": "13:15", "text": "And from Pirangut, we were supposed to pick it up using a radio modem, which at that point of time, a 17 kilometer radio modem was probably one of the longest links." }, { "end_time": "13:28", "start_time": "13:24", "text": "For an educational institution, definitely it was the longest link, and that got set up." }, { "end_time": "13:32", "start_time": "13:28", "text": "And that was the first time that, Internet came to that play." }, { "end_time": "13:51", "start_time": "13:32", "text": "Matter of fact, those of you who are interested in that area or know that place, listeners, if you go to Mulshi, you can still see that tower which is on top of a mountain, which actually started not only the Internet, but the first telecom services to come into that valley came because of that tower because it was at a at a very high point." }, { "end_time": "13:58", "start_time": "13:51", "text": "Matter of fact, the Mahindra group bought a mountain because that was the only place from where we had where a window, which was a line of sight to Pirangut." }, { "end_time": "14:06", "start_time": "13:58", "text": "So we actually traveled foot by foot every part of that landscape to see from where we had a line of sight, and we got the line of sight and we connected that." }, { "end_time": "14:10", "start_time": "14:07", "text": "And I still remember the message, the first message which went out from there." }, { "end_time": "14:11", "start_time": "14:10", "text": "And you have to understand this." }, { "end_time": "14:21", "start_time": "14:11", "text": "This is like about a 100, a 150, 180 kids who come from other countries, and they have no link with their I mean, there are if you have to communicate with your parents there was there were actually a case." }, { "end_time": "14:24", "start_time": "14:21", "text": "I I remember the at that time in Yugoslavia, the bombing was going on." }, { "end_time": "14:26", "start_time": "14:24", "text": "NATO bombing was going on." }, { "end_time": "14:36", "start_time": "14:26", "text": "And there was a student from Yugoslavia whose city was being bombed, and he had no way of knowing whether his parents are okay or not okay because there was no I mean, telephones were the only communication then." }, { "end_time": "14:39", "start_time": "14:36", "text": "That also, STD, trunk, all this, that." }, { "end_time": "14:45", "start_time": "14:40", "text": "So the first time we got connectivity, the first message which went out was, geography is history." }, { "end_time": "14:58", "start_time": "14:45", "text": "That was the first message that we sent out from the college, and Mahindra College actually became the 8th college to get Internet connectivity, including 2 colleges in other countries who still had not got the connectivity, and we got it." }, { "end_time": "15:05", "start_time": "14:58", "text": "And I still remember mister Harish Mahindra, when he gave me the mandate, he told me it has to be done before August." }, { "end_time": "15:08", "start_time": "15:06", "text": "So I asked him, I said, what's the hurry?" }, { "end_time": "15:20", "start_time": "15:09", "text": "And he said that I don't want a single student who decided to come to India, to this college, to turn around and say that my education was shortchanged because I chose India." }, { "end_time": "15:27", "start_time": "15:21", "text": "So any student who passes out from here, including the 1st batch, cannot say that I did not get Internet." }, { "end_time": "15:28", "start_time": "15:27", "text": "That's the criticality." }, { "end_time": "15:33", "start_time": "15:29", "text": "I admire the the vision of that, man, to say that, you know." }, { "end_time": "15:34", "start_time": "15:33", "text": "So, anyway, we did it." }, { "end_time": "15:46", "start_time": "15:34", "text": "And when that got done, I was invited by Anand to come to the you know, they have this technology board, in which they have the CEOs of all the technology companies." }, { "end_time": "15:51", "start_time": "15:46", "text": "Interestingly, one of the companies which gave a non feasibility report was a Mahindra company." }, { "end_time": "15:55", "start_time": "15:51", "text": "And that's why I think they wanted to figure out who this guy who did it, and and I was called." }, { "end_time": "15:58", "start_time": "15:55", "text": "And, of course, I mean, I was only representing the team that did it." }, { "end_time": "16:02", "start_time": "15:58", "text": "The team consisted of many people, including the, the DOT guys." }, { "end_time": "16:05", "start_time": "16:02", "text": "They were also very excited about it because, you know, it was a big thing for them." }, { "end_time": "16:12", "start_time": "16:07", "text": "So I came here for a presentation, and after the presentation, Anand and and this was my job." }, { "end_time": "16:14", "start_time": "16:12", "text": "I mean, I was brought in for this particular project." }, { "end_time": "16:23", "start_time": "16:14", "text": "And after the project was over, I was basically looking at, you know, other stuff, and I had a couple of offers from other companies like IBM and the others." }, { "end_time": "16:25", "start_time": "16:23", "text": "And I was looking at evaluating options there." }, { "end_time": "16:27", "start_time": "16:25", "text": "What were you thinking after the army?" }, { "end_time": "16:31", "start_time": "16:27", "text": "Like, after you've, like, seen and learned whatever you've seen and learned in the army?" }, { "end_time": "16:44", "start_time": "16:31", "text": "It was a different world when I came out into the civil world, but, you know, the the the good part was I, unlike many of my other classmates who come from NDA, Scenic School, NDA, and all of that, I actually had, worked in the CV Street." }, { "end_time": "16:50", "start_time": "16:44", "text": "I mean, I was a graduate from Venkateshwara, so I knew a little bit more about and I had a lot of friends who were in corporates and all of that." }, { "end_time": "16:54", "start_time": "16:50", "text": "And I thought, you know, it was a different world I wanted to explore." }, { "end_time": "16:59", "start_time": "16:54", "text": "And, so Adam kind of point blank asked me, why don't you work with the group?" }, { "end_time": "17:01", "start_time": "16:59", "text": "And I said, okay." }, { "end_time": "17:02", "start_time": "17:02", "text": "Why not?" }, { "end_time": "17:05", "start_time": "17:03", "text": "And fascinating." }, { "end_time": "17:08", "start_time": "17:05", "text": "I mean, I I still think about that conversation." }, { "end_time": "17:12", "start_time": "17:08", "text": "It's almost surreal because he asked me, what would you like to do?" }, { "end_time": "17:16", "start_time": "17:12", "text": "And I told him point blank, I used to be a company commander in the army, so give me your company." }, { "end_time": "17:23", "start_time": "17:17", "text": "And he burst out laughing, and he said that this is the first time someone has just asked me to be made a CEO." }, { "end_time": "17:24", "start_time": "17:23", "text": "And I said, you know what?" }, { "end_time": "17:25", "start_time": "17:24", "text": "I'm actually going to do that." }, { "end_time": "17:35", "start_time": "17:25", "text": "And there were 3 companies at that point of time which were, which they were looking for a CEO, and one of them happened to be a company called Auto Mart India, which today is called First Choice." }, { "end_time": "17:38", "start_time": "17:36", "text": "So I was the 2nd CEO of First Choice." }, { "end_time": "17:45", "start_time": "17:38", "text": "I mean, there was a founder and then was Nikhil Raghavan, who was the CEO before me, and then I became the 3rd CEO." }, { "end_time": "17:54", "start_time": "17:45", "text": "And, of course, it was a job that I think I was totally unprepared for because, well, I knew how to do teams and projects and this and that." }, { "end_time": "18:00", "start_time": "17:54", "text": "I had no idea about p and l and finances and because that's not something that you're taught in the army ever." }, { "end_time": "18:06", "start_time": "18:00", "text": "I mean, in the army, your entire financial planning consists of making your mess bill and your salary slip match." }, { "end_time": "18:07", "start_time": "18:06", "text": "And if it matches, it's okay." }, { "end_time": "18:10", "start_time": "18:07", "text": "If it doesn't match, don't drink for a few days, then it'll match." }, { "end_time": "18:12", "start_time": "18:10", "text": "So that that's your financial planning." }, { "end_time": "18:19", "start_time": "18:13", "text": "But here, I had to actually I remember still I had to count the number of zeros to figure out whether it was a lakh or a crore." }, { "end_time": "18:23", "start_time": "18:19", "text": "And then the private equity guys would convert it into 1,000,000 of dollars, and I had to start all over again." }, { "end_time": "18:25", "start_time": "18:23", "text": "So it was totally a new area for me." }, { "end_time": "18:26", "start_time": "18:25", "text": "Made a lot of mistakes." }, { "end_time": "18:39", "start_time": "18:27", "text": "But one of the things I found fascinating about the Mahindra Group and Anand especially that he had an eye, and I'm not saying it because he recruited me, but he had an eye for taking a bet on people." }, { "end_time": "18:49", "start_time": "18:39", "text": "And and there would normally be people who would never ever get, entry into the organization through the normal channel, and and there's a great lesson I've learned from him." }, { "end_time": "19:01", "start_time": "18:49", "text": "He he he would take a punt on people who would have some sort of a maverick behavior or some sort of a a streak which was not normal." }, { "end_time": "19:02", "start_time": "19:01", "text": "Positive eccentricities." }, { "end_time": "19:04", "start_time": "19:03", "text": "Maybe you can call it that." }, { "end_time": "19:09", "start_time": "19:04", "text": "Maybe you can call it the his ability to spot a can do attitude or whatever it is." }, { "end_time": "19:14", "start_time": "19:09", "text": "I mean, he he he that's his that's for his podcast when he does with you." }, { "end_time": "19:19", "start_time": "19:14", "text": "But, he would then give a fairly free hand." }, { "end_time": "19:24", "start_time": "19:19", "text": "He would not, he would not try to look over your shoulder and not and I know that." }, { "end_time": "19:34", "start_time": "19:24", "text": "I know this now because those days, I did make a few mistakes because I tried to translate my style of leadership from the army directly into the corporate, which doesn't work because they are 2 different worlds." }, { "end_time": "19:42", "start_time": "19:35", "text": "And, he he helped me correct those mistakes, sometimes in a nice way, sometimes in not a such a nice way." }, { "end_time": "19:47", "start_time": "19:42", "text": "And I kind of cut my teeth in in that organization, in in First Choice." }, { "end_time": "19:53", "start_time": "19:47", "text": "Learned a lot about technology, about the web, and and that's, by the way, the first technology boom, the first dotcom bubble." }, { "end_time": "20:15", "start_time": "19:54", "text": "So so a lot of these companies like eBay and so many of them, which are now big ones at that point of time as fledgling companies being, being sort of funded and all of those things, technology being and a lot of those technologies like databases, how do you make 2 different portals talk to each other?" }, { "end_time": "20:22", "start_time": "20:15", "text": "Like, first choice was a auto portal, which was also on Rediff, and then it was on Yahoo also." }, { "end_time": "20:25", "start_time": "20:22", "text": "So how do you interface with different technologies, different processes?" }, { "end_time": "20:30", "start_time": "20:25", "text": "How can you have one username and password seamlessly going through 3 different portals?" }, { "end_time": "20:33", "start_time": "20:30", "text": "But they are 3 so it was very complex, and we were trying to figure it out." }, { "end_time": "20:35", "start_time": "20:33", "text": "And I think the great thing was all of us were trying to figure it out." }, { "end_time": "20:39", "start_time": "20:35", "text": "So it wasn't like, you know, somebody sitting in Mahindra Towers knew it all." }, { "end_time": "20:39", "start_time": "20:39", "text": "Nobody knew it all." }, { "end_time": "20:43", "start_time": "20:39", "text": "It was like the youngsters were discovering it on a daily basis, and it was evolving." }, { "end_time": "20:45", "start_time": "20:43", "text": "That entire thing was evolving." }, { "end_time": "20:47", "start_time": "20:45", "text": "So it was a great experience learning that." }, { "end_time": "20:53", "start_time": "20:48", "text": "Parallelly, actually, I was fascinated by the area of information security." }, { "end_time": "21:06", "start_time": "20:54", "text": "And I think in 1st choice, I'd reached a point of time where my capability to lead the organization, would not be enough for the organization to go to the next level." }, { "end_time": "21:08", "start_time": "21:06", "text": "And there was a change of a CEO." }, { "end_time": "21:10", "start_time": "21:08", "text": "Vinay Sange took over from me." }, { "end_time": "21:18", "start_time": "21:10", "text": "And then I moved from there back to my parent company, which was Mahindra Network Services Limited, which constructed this entire, portal." }, { "end_time": "21:23", "start_time": "21:19", "text": "And there I started, entity called the Mahindra Special Services Group." }, { "end_time": "21:26", "start_time": "21:23", "text": "Now this was I'll tell you the story." }, { "end_time": "21:28", "start_time": "21:26", "text": "What is what is information security first?" }, { "end_time": "21:28", "start_time": "21:28", "text": "I'll come to that." }, { "end_time": "21:44", "start_time": "21:28", "text": "So today, information security is, like, very well known to everybody, and that's why you have this password thefts and credit card frauds and money being siphoned out, emails being intercepted, videos being stolen, Twitter accounts being hacked and messages being sent out in your behalf." }, { "end_time": "21:47", "start_time": "21:44", "text": "All of these things are happening today because it's much more evolved." }, { "end_time": "21:55", "start_time": "21:47", "text": "But when it began, at that point of time, basically, people were completely unaware of anything other than a username and a password." }, { "end_time": "21:55", "start_time": "21:55", "text": "That's it." }, { "end_time": "22:00", "start_time": "21:55", "text": "They would write down their pass they still do it, but at that point of time, it was much more, rudimentary." }, { "end_time": "22:03", "start_time": "22:00", "text": "They would write down their passwords in places and all of that." }, { "end_time": "22:12", "start_time": "22:03", "text": "They would go into an Internet cafe and and start checking their mail, not realizing that all cafes could have a key logger in it, and they could be logging all your keystrokes, including your email ID and password." }, { "end_time": "22:14", "start_time": "22:12", "text": "Still happens, by the way." }, { "end_time": "22:18", "start_time": "22:14", "text": "One of the most common ways of hacking is harvesting, you know, passwords from there." }, { "end_time": "22:27", "start_time": "22:18", "text": "So information security was actually making its, sort of presence felt because a lot of now transactions were happening online." }, { "end_time": "22:29", "start_time": "22:28", "text": "Money was being moved around." }, { "end_time": "22:31", "start_time": "22:29", "text": "Banking was beginning to become online." }, { "end_time": "22:33", "start_time": "22:31", "text": "Banking portals were coming up." }, { "end_time": "22:38", "start_time": "22:33", "text": "So this was a space that would require a lot of attention, and I still remember." }, { "end_time": "22:48", "start_time": "22:40", "text": "So I needed to get, so I I had this business plan to say that we need to focus on information security, and at that point of time, I wasn't even thinking of starting a business out of it." }, { "end_time": "22:51", "start_time": "22:48", "text": "I was thinking more for Mahindra and Mahindra." }, { "end_time": "22:53", "start_time": "22:51", "text": "We need to have better information security." }, { "end_time": "23:01", "start_time": "22:54", "text": "So I decided, without, I mean, without seeking permission, I decided to do a penetration test." }, { "end_time": "23:02", "start_time": "23:01", "text": "It's called penetration testing now." }, { "end_time": "23:06", "start_time": "23:02", "text": "Those days, it was just me fiddling around to see whether I can get access into." }, { "end_time": "23:11", "start_time": "23:07", "text": "And I remember I sent a mail to Anand Mahindra saying that this is the first half of your password." }, { "end_time": "23:12", "start_time": "23:12", "text": "Oh, wow." }, { "end_time": "23:14", "start_time": "23:12", "text": "And I hope I have got your attention." }, { "end_time": "23:17", "start_time": "23:14", "text": "I need to explain this concept to you." }, { "end_time": "23:23", "start_time": "23:17", "text": "So, of course, when anyone gets the first half of his password sent to him, they usually get the attention of the sender." }, { "end_time": "23:29", "start_time": "23:23", "text": "So I explained this concept to him, and I said I just want to do a test of, Mahindra." }, { "end_time": "23:40", "start_time": "23:29", "text": "And when I did the test of Mahindra, of course, those days, most corporates, they were leaking like a sieve because information security wasn't really I mean, people didn't even know at that point of time." }, { "end_time": "23:54", "start_time": "23:40", "text": "So the entire I remember the IT, leaders were present, and I did a presentation which basically, you know, kind of stripped the, the the IT protection team and all of that." }, { "end_time": "23:59", "start_time": "23:54", "text": "And of course, as I told you, I was very, very naive, and I was, I think, at that time playing to the gallery and all of that." }, { "end_time": "24:00", "start_time": "23:59", "text": "I was doing overkill." }, { "end_time": "24:07", "start_time": "24:01", "text": "But in effect, I got the first mandate to implement it for Mahindra and Mahindra, and that's where it began." }, { "end_time": "24:09", "start_time": "24:07", "text": "The the kernel of the company began there." }, { "end_time": "24:17", "start_time": "24:11", "text": "And then, of course, Anand was kind enough to speak to Uday Kotak, and Uday decided to give us a chance." }, { "end_time": "24:19", "start_time": "24:17", "text": "And that was our first external assignment." }, { "end_time": "24:20", "start_time": "24:19", "text": "5 lakhs, I still remember." }, { "end_time": "24:22", "start_time": "24:21", "text": "1st external mandate." }, { "end_time": "24:24", "start_time": "24:22", "text": "I mean, there's 2 of us who started the company." }, { "end_time": "24:26", "start_time": "24:24", "text": "And then, of course, it grew." }, { "end_time": "24:28", "start_time": "24:26", "text": "It grew, became bigger and bigger." }, { "end_time": "24:32", "start_time": "24:28", "text": "And today, of course, it's considered to be one of the leading companies." }, { "end_time": "24:42", "start_time": "24:32", "text": "More importantly, I think a lot of our team members of that company went on to become some very, very good, information security practitioners." }, { "end_time": "24:54", "start_time": "24:42", "text": "And matter of fact, even as I'm speaking to you now, most of the foundations of information security, in the big four, You will find that the DNA comes from Mahindra SRG." }, { "end_time": "24:55", "start_time": "24:54", "text": "That's where they come from." }, { "end_time": "24:57", "start_time": "24:55", "text": "And of course, many of the leaders went on." }, { "end_time": "25:03", "start_time": "24:57", "text": "And I think that is something that I was exceptionally proud of even when I used to do recruitment into Mahindra SRG." }, { "end_time": "25:07", "start_time": "25:04", "text": "I would always find people who are far, far better than me." }, { "end_time": "25:16", "start_time": "25:07", "text": "So when I'd be even recruiting from people who are leaving the army, there were, like, 2 or 3 sort of honors who who were like toppers of their batches who who had come and joined and all." }, { "end_time": "25:25", "start_time": "25:16", "text": "So I was surrounded by incredibly capable people who are far better thinkers, far better, you know, sort of, far more competent people." }, { "end_time": "25:29", "start_time": "25:25", "text": "And many of them have gone on to create their own, I remember SM Kumar is one of them." }, { "end_time": "25:31", "start_time": "25:29", "text": "He's now heads several companies." }, { "end_time": "25:34", "start_time": "25:31", "text": "Does the does the army add anything specifically in this domain?" }, { "end_time": "25:35", "start_time": "25:35", "text": "Oh, huge." }, { "end_time": "25:39", "start_time": "25:35", "text": "I think, the see, the security is a state of mind." }, { "end_time": "25:45", "start_time": "25:39", "text": "And most hackers, I can tell you this, I've I've spent almost 4 decades in that, life, in that world." }, { "end_time": "25:54", "start_time": "25:46", "text": "I don't think till now a 256 bit encryption has been cracked, so you don't need to go for 5 12." }, { "end_time": "25:56", "start_time": "25:54", "text": "What usually happens is a human error." }, { "end_time": "26:00", "start_time": "25:56", "text": "It's always a human error, and human beings can be cracked all the time." }, { "end_time": "26:08", "start_time": "26:01", "text": "Psychologically, human beings are I mean, the psychological, or what they call social engineering is a wrong phrase, but it's actually mind hacking." }, { "end_time": "26:09", "start_time": "26:08", "text": "They hack into your mind." }, { "end_time": "26:17", "start_time": "26:09", "text": "They make you do what it's a bit like if you were to ask some very important person's secretary, where is the boss?" }, { "end_time": "26:21", "start_time": "26:18", "text": "She will never tell because she's been trained not to tell." }, { "end_time": "26:23", "start_time": "26:21", "text": "But if you say, when is Anand coming back from China?" }, { "end_time": "26:24", "start_time": "26:23", "text": "She'll correct you." }, { "end_time": "26:25", "start_time": "26:24", "text": "But he's not in China." }, { "end_time": "26:26", "start_time": "26:25", "text": "He's in Japan." }, { "end_time": "26:27", "start_time": "26:26", "text": "She'll correct you." }, { "end_time": "26:30", "start_time": "26:27", "text": "She won't give you the answer, but she'll correct you." }, { "end_time": "26:41", "start_time": "26:30", "text": "So if you understand the psychology of, criminals, because you have to fight them, then you understand how to create, protective, you know, barriers against them." }, { "end_time": "26:45", "start_time": "26:41", "text": "And a large part of that is actually the user education." }, { "end_time": "26:48", "start_time": "26:45", "text": "Educating the user about what can go wrong, how it can go wrong, and all of those things." }, { "end_time": "26:52", "start_time": "26:49", "text": "So anyway, so that continued for a while." }, { "end_time": "26:58", "start_time": "26:52", "text": "And then that company came to a size where, like most consulting firms, it really could not grow beyond." }, { "end_time": "27:04", "start_time": "26:58", "text": "The consulting firms, which are boutique consulting firms, don't really, grow in scale Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "27:12", "start_time": "27:05", "text": "Because it's it's very manpower and personality intensive, and, scaling means adding more people, which means more costs." }, { "end_time": "27:21", "start_time": "27:12", "text": "So eventually, you come to that sweet spot of of a certain amount of a turnover beyond which if you try to take it, then the boutiqueness goes away and, you know, it's something there." }, { "end_time": "27:26", "start_time": "27:21", "text": "And by this time, I was doing many other things also within the group, in the Mahindra group." }, { "end_time": "27:31", "start_time": "27:26", "text": "I was and of course learning a lot, learning about how corporates work." }, { "end_time": "27:38", "start_time": "27:32", "text": "Learned a lot about sales because I think one of the most important things that everybody should learn is sales." }, { "end_time": "27:44", "start_time": "27:39", "text": "Because with sales, you learn one very important lesson, and that lesson is not to take rejection personally." }, { "end_time": "27:50", "start_time": "27:45", "text": "You go and pitch to 10 customers, only 3 of them will buy it because only 3 out of 10 will buy." }, { "end_time": "27:54", "start_time": "27:51", "text": "The remaining 7 when they reject you, they're not rejecting you, the individual." }, { "end_time": "27:59", "start_time": "27:54", "text": "They're rejecting and they may be rejecting for any number of reasons and some of them may have nothing to do with you." }, { "end_time": "27:59", "start_time": "27:59", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "28:04", "start_time": "27:59", "text": "But that ability to take rejection, ability to go and say, no problem." }, { "end_time": "28:05", "start_time": "28:04", "text": "We'll come back again." }, { "end_time": "28:06", "start_time": "28:05", "text": "We'll try again and all of that." }, { "end_time": "28:09", "start_time": "28:06", "text": "That actually was a very solid training ground." }, { "end_time": "28:19", "start_time": "28:10", "text": "Also, I knew that unlike many of my, colleagues, I did not have a formal education in the management theory." }, { "end_time": "28:21", "start_time": "28:19", "text": "So formal as in an MBA." }, { "end_time": "28:23", "start_time": "28:21", "text": "So I have not studied advertising." }, { "end_time": "28:24", "start_time": "28:23", "text": "I have not studied finance." }, { "end_time": "28:25", "start_time": "28:24", "text": "I have not studied." }, { "end_time": "28:28", "start_time": "28:25", "text": "But as a CEO, I needed to understand all of that." }, { "end_time": "28:32", "start_time": "28:28", "text": "I needed to understand the nuances of that, and I still remember there were friends." }, { "end_time": "28:38", "start_time": "28:33", "text": "I mean, one of my friends called Praveen Talati, who's, again, a very big guy in the private equity space today." }, { "end_time": "28:42", "start_time": "28:38", "text": "I remember going literally to his house and sitting at his feet." }, { "end_time": "28:43", "start_time": "28:42", "text": "I remember sitting on the floor." }, { "end_time": "28:52", "start_time": "28:43", "text": "We would take out his laptop and say, And he would explain to me line by line the items on it and say, this is IRR." }, { "end_time": "28:54", "start_time": "28:52", "text": "This is the internal rate of return." }, { "end_time": "28:55", "start_time": "28:54", "text": "This is what investors look at." }, { "end_time": "29:03", "start_time": "28:56", "text": "So learning from them, I had another friend called Vivek Kamath who actually heads this company called Matrix, which manages a lot of celebrities." }, { "end_time": "29:07", "start_time": "29:04", "text": "Many of the celebrities you interview are managed by him." }, { "end_time": "29:11", "start_time": "29:07", "text": "And he, at that point of time, used to work in an advertising agency." }, { "end_time": "29:15", "start_time": "29:11", "text": "So he would teach me the nuances of advertising that you, you know, give only one message at a time." }, { "end_time": "29:17", "start_time": "29:15", "text": "You don't confuse the audience with too many messages and all." }, { "end_time": "29:34", "start_time": "29:17", "text": "So I was literally learning the nuances of various different trade crafts that are required, in in in business from the masters and and sitting at their feet, which I found is one of the best models for me to learn." }, { "end_time": "29:37", "start_time": "29:34", "text": "I've I've studied like that throughout my school, throughout my college." }, { "end_time": "29:43", "start_time": "29:37", "text": "I've always gone to somebody who has been really good at that subject and just said, you have to revise." }, { "end_time": "29:47", "start_time": "29:44", "text": "I'll just listen to you, and I'll I'll understand it." }, { "end_time": "29:49", "start_time": "29:47", "text": "If I have some questions, I'll ask you and all of that." }, { "end_time": "30:03", "start_time": "29:49", "text": "So I understood the importance of learning at a very early stage, even when I came into the corporate, that you need to learn not only about your area of specialization, but every other vertical that'll affect you." }, { "end_time": "30:22", "start_time": "30:03", "text": "And this is a story that I often narrated to people to illustrate another, you know, aspect, and I think it's important to narrate this story to explain what are the two routes you can take in in in a corporate or in any career." }, { "end_time": "30:28", "start_time": "30:22", "text": "What are the two routes you can take and how making that choice can actually end in a different result?" }, { "end_time": "30:36", "start_time": "30:29", "text": "So in a certain year, I was there was a team which was sent from Mahindra." }, { "end_time": "30:38", "start_time": "30:37", "text": "Four people went from Mahindra." }, { "end_time": "30:47", "start_time": "30:38", "text": "This was, the team was led by mister Bharadoshi who was at that point the CFO of Mahindra and Mahindra, and he is currently a SEBI member." }, { "end_time": "30:51", "start_time": "30:47", "text": "SEBI or RBI member, or was, I think." }, { "end_time": "30:58", "start_time": "30:51", "text": "And, the second person was, mister Ulla Syargop who until quite recently was heading the IT sector for." }, { "end_time": "31:15", "start_time": "30:58", "text": "And, we had, Vineeth Nayar who was then heading the, MBT Mahindra before Satyam, the Mahindra British Telecom entity, Tech Mahindra as it was called at that point of time, and a very junior CEO of a small company called Mahindra SSG." }, { "end_time": "31:20", "start_time": "31:16", "text": "I must have been in my late mid thirties or late thirties at that point of time." }, { "end_time": "31:22", "start_time": "31:20", "text": "We were sent to meet Michael Bloomberg." }, { "end_time": "31:29", "start_time": "31:24", "text": "So a lot of people in my peer group asked that how were you selected to?" }, { "end_time": "31:32", "start_time": "31:29", "text": "I mean, I can understand these three people going." }, { "end_time": "31:36", "start_time": "31:32", "text": "So the story was that, mister Bloomberg and mister Mahindra met each other in one of the Davos conferences." }, { "end_time": "31:36", "start_time": "31:36", "text": "They shook hands, and they said we should do some work together." }, { "end_time": "31:39", "start_time": "31:36", "text": "So, Bloomberg had told him that, okay." }, { "end_time": "31:42", "start_time": "31:39", "text": "Send a team from your side, and we will see what we can do and all of that." }, { "end_time": "31:42", "start_time": "31:42", "text": "And I was part of that team." }, { "end_time": "31:56", "start_time": "31:42", "text": "Now I remember many of my younger, you know, sort of, colleagues asking me that, but what was the route?" }, { "end_time": "31:58", "start_time": "31:56", "text": "I mean, how did you how were you picked to go there?" }, { "end_time": "31:59", "start_time": "31:58", "text": "What what happened?" }, { "end_time": "32:05", "start_time": "31:59", "text": "And I think I tried to answer that question to myself also, and I found the answer, which is the answer I want to share with you." }, { "end_time": "32:12", "start_time": "32:05", "text": "And I think this particularly defines a way of thinking about work, a way of thinking about life." }, { "end_time": "32:21", "start_time": "32:13", "text": "So the story actually goes back many years, 2 or 3 years before that when I was part of a company called Mahindra Consulting, and this was a division of Mahindra Consulting." }, { "end_time": "32:23", "start_time": "32:21", "text": "Mahindra Special Services Group was a division of Mahindra Consulting." }, { "end_time": "32:28", "start_time": "32:24", "text": "And we were going to participate in one of these NASSCOM, SHASSCOM kind of conferences." }, { "end_time": "32:30", "start_time": "32:28", "text": "So we were supposed to make brochures." }, { "end_time": "32:31", "start_time": "32:30", "text": "I mean, not to be." }, { "end_time": "32:34", "start_time": "32:31", "text": "The PR person was supposed to cop comp person was supposed to make a brochure." }, { "end_time": "32:48", "start_time": "32:35", "text": "Now that lady who a very competent person who is now head of CompCom of a very, very big company, she kind of came to all of us practice heads and said, Can you give me a paragraph about your practice, whatever you do?" }, { "end_time": "32:49", "start_time": "32:48", "text": "Can you give me a paragraph about your practice?" }, { "end_time": "32:51", "start_time": "32:50", "text": "I wrote whatever." }, { "end_time": "32:54", "start_time": "32:51", "text": "We provide the services, blah blah blah, all of that to go into the brochure." }, { "end_time": "33:02", "start_time": "32:55", "text": "So after the first proof came, printer sent the first proof, they came to us for the draft and check." }, { "end_time": "33:03", "start_time": "33:03", "text": "So I checked mine." }, { "end_time": "33:04", "start_time": "33:03", "text": "I found 1 or 2 typos." }, { "end_time": "33:06", "start_time": "33:04", "text": "I corrected it and all of that." }, { "end_time": "33:09", "start_time": "33:06", "text": "And then as a habit, I checked the remaining brochure." }, { "end_time": "33:12", "start_time": "33:09", "text": "And when I checked the remaining ones, I found some mistakes in the others." }, { "end_time": "33:16", "start_time": "33:12", "text": "It wasn't really mistakes, but it was a flow of the language because every person had written it individually." }, { "end_time": "33:18", "start_time": "33:17", "text": "It was like, we also do this." }, { "end_time": "33:19", "start_time": "33:18", "text": "We also do this." }, { "end_time": "33:22", "start_time": "33:19", "text": "We also it didn't, like, flow together very well." }, { "end_time": "33:32", "start_time": "33:22", "text": "So I just corrected the flow to the best of my ability and, of course, gave it to, this lady who, of course, must have done a much better job on it, and it got printed and, you know, all of that happened." }, { "end_time": "33:33", "start_time": "33:32", "text": "Blah blah blah." }, { "end_time": "33:35", "start_time": "33:34", "text": "So that even got over." }, { "end_time": "33:44", "start_time": "33:36", "text": "Next year, the same thing was to be done again, but at this point or by this point of time, the head of Capcom had left us and joined another company." }, { "end_time": "33:45", "start_time": "33:44", "text": "And so she wasn't there anymore." }, { "end_time": "33:52", "start_time": "33:46", "text": "So when the CEO was trying to figure out how to get it done, the printer told the CEO, there's one captain who was involved in it last time and all of that." }, { "end_time": "33:54", "start_time": "33:52", "text": "So I was called and told, hey." }, { "end_time": "33:54", "start_time": "33:54", "text": "Can you handle this?" }, { "end_time": "33:55", "start_time": "33:54", "text": "I said, okay." }, { "end_time": "33:55", "start_time": "33:55", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "33:56", "start_time": "33:55", "text": "I'll handle that." }, { "end_time": "33:56", "start_time": "33:56", "text": "None of my job." }, { "end_time": "33:57", "start_time": "33:56", "text": "It was not my business." }, { "end_time": "34:03", "start_time": "33:58", "text": "But I learned at that point of time that you must adopt a one and a half portfolio mindset." }, { "end_time": "34:09", "start_time": "34:05", "text": "That mindset is I will do my job completely, but I'll also handle a half portfolio." }, { "end_time": "34:21", "start_time": "34:09", "text": "I'll take over some part which is giving a headache to the CEO or to the CFO or some part, a difficult customer or a difficult territory or something where I can take my excess bandwidth and provide in that area." }, { "end_time": "34:26", "start_time": "34:22", "text": "Not because I want to do it for them, but I want to learn about CopCom." }, { "end_time": "34:28", "start_time": "34:26", "text": "I want to learn about communication." }, { "end_time": "34:31", "start_time": "34:28", "text": "I want to learn how much time does it take for a printer to turn around a brochure." }, { "end_time": "34:35", "start_time": "34:31", "text": "I wanna learn what is the difference between offset and letterpress printing." }, { "end_time": "34:39", "start_time": "34:35", "text": "I wanna learn which color works very well in an advertisement." }, { "end_time": "34:43", "start_time": "34:39", "text": "I learned that yellow is the best color in an advertisement because it stays longest in the sun." }, { "end_time": "34:47", "start_time": "34:43", "text": "So when you put a hooding, the yellow color fades out the last." }, { "end_time": "34:51", "start_time": "34:47", "text": "And that is why yellow is better and better contrast, and that's why it's used in traffic lights also." }, { "end_time": "34:56", "start_time": "34:51", "text": "So you learn these kind of things only when you go in that half portfolio." }, { "end_time": "34:58", "start_time": "34:56", "text": "Not your portfolio, but the one and a half portfolio." }, { "end_time": "35:02", "start_time": "34:58", "text": "This is generally a very good professional lesson that always do more than what's asked." }, { "end_time": "35:08", "start_time": "35:02", "text": "So when somebody has asked me that how did you reach that place, the answer is here." }, { "end_time": "35:11", "start_time": "35:08", "text": "The answer is by correcting a paragraph that is not your business." }, { "end_time": "35:12", "start_time": "35:11", "text": "That is somebody else's business." }, { "end_time": "35:18", "start_time": "35:13", "text": "The answer is by putting a shoulder in someone because I know how to do it." }, { "end_time": "35:19", "start_time": "35:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:20", "start_time": "35:19", "text": "Give some to me." }, { "end_time": "35:21", "start_time": "35:20", "text": "Let let me handle some of this." }, { "end_time": "35:23", "start_time": "35:21", "text": "Or you need another member in that interview panel." }, { "end_time": "35:26", "start_time": "35:23", "text": "I am more than happy to come and offer that to you." }, { "end_time": "35:28", "start_time": "35:27", "text": "You wanna bounce off something." }, { "end_time": "35:39", "start_time": "35:28", "text": "This construct of being able to spread a certain amount of your mojo, certain amount of your resources in an area that is directly not yours, but somebody else's." }, { "end_time": "35:42", "start_time": "35:39", "text": "Not doing it with some altruistic mindset." }, { "end_time": "35:44", "start_time": "35:42", "text": "That that is a wrong approach." }, { "end_time": "35:52", "start_time": "35:44", "text": "It's you're trying to kid yourself that I'm bringing it is more to say I'm getting an opportunity to learn about this at 0 risk." }, { "end_time": "35:53", "start_time": "35:52", "text": "I'm not being graded on that." }, { "end_time": "35:58", "start_time": "35:53", "text": "If this Compcom thing goes down the drain, nobody's going to ask me why did your copy did not work." }, { "end_time": "35:59", "start_time": "35:58", "text": "It's not my job." }, { "end_time": "36:02", "start_time": "35:59", "text": "But I'm getting an opportunity to learn from somebody else." }, { "end_time": "36:03", "start_time": "36:02", "text": "I'm getting an opportunity." }, { "end_time": "36:06", "start_time": "36:03", "text": "So this forced me, for example, to read books like David Ogilvio and advertising." }, { "end_time": "36:08", "start_time": "36:07", "text": "I learned about communication." }, { "end_time": "36:13", "start_time": "36:08", "text": "I learned about various different things because it was a task that I had taken on." }, { "end_time": "36:18", "start_time": "36:13", "text": "And I think this philosophy is something that I have carried forward entirely in my life." }, { "end_time": "36:27", "start_time": "36:18", "text": "I mean, I remember after this, stint in Mahindra SSG, there was a joint venture, which Mahindra and Mahindra was doing at that point of time with BA." }, { "end_time": "36:32", "start_time": "36:28", "text": "And, for the joint venture, a CEO was being searched for." }, { "end_time": "36:37", "start_time": "36:32", "text": "And I was actually Anand told me that we are picking you as the CEO." }, { "end_time": "36:45", "start_time": "36:37", "text": "And I was at that point of time, again, I give him credit, one of the youngest CEOs to be given a portfolio which was potentially this large." }, { "end_time": "36:48", "start_time": "36:45", "text": "I was maybe about 42, 43 at that point of time." }, { "end_time": "37:04", "start_time": "36:49", "text": "And, a much, much bigger, canvas, a canvas that, yes, while I was in the army, but it was much, much bigger than that because this was about defense procurement, this was about interface with the government, it was about understanding procurement policies and all of those things." }, { "end_time": "37:15", "start_time": "37:04", "text": "So when I went into that JV also, I would often try to find things that are not part of my portfolio." }, { "end_time": "37:23", "start_time": "37:15", "text": "So for example, in Mahindra, we had a relationship with several other organizations like Rand and a few others, and I would I would take up that role." }, { "end_time": "37:28", "start_time": "37:23", "text": "I'd say, okay, I will sort of head that, interface because it would teach." }, { "end_time": "37:29", "start_time": "37:28", "text": "It would teach a lot more." }, { "end_time": "37:37", "start_time": "37:30", "text": "I think this philosophy, is something that I have tried to encourage, you know, all all people to practice." }, { "end_time": "37:43", "start_time": "37:37", "text": "And again, with the caveat that you're not taking on that half portfolio because you're doing anyone a favor." }, { "end_time": "38:00", "start_time": "37:43", "text": "You're doing it because you will get an opportunity to learn something that is not in your area and no strategic leader, at least in my, thinking, no strategic leader can ever become a strategic leader without understanding domains that are not her core competence." }, { "end_time": "38:08", "start_time": "38:01", "text": "You you can be the greatest CFO in the world, but you're not gonna become a CEO unless you understand marketing, unless you understand human resources, you understand technology." }, { "end_time": "38:09", "start_time": "38:08", "text": "It's not possible." }, { "end_time": "38:13", "start_time": "38:09", "text": "You don't have to master it, but you need to have a very good understanding of how it works." }, { "end_time": "38:14", "start_time": "38:13", "text": "What are the nuances of that?" }, { "end_time": "38:15", "start_time": "38:14", "text": "What are the compulsions of that?" }, { "end_time": "38:40", "start_time": "38:16", "text": "If you don't understand that, you may be very good in your silo, and you will reach to the head of your silo, but it'll be very unlikely that you will be the overall commander because the overall commander needs to know a little bit about many other facets because it's all of these facets working together, which actually delivers the, end result, whatever that may be in terms of taking a company to the next level or or finances or whatever." }, { "end_time": "38:47", "start_time": "38:40", "text": "This is also a very good example of, you know, when people say, oh, you have to have an MBA to progress in the corporate world." }, { "end_time": "38:47", "start_time": "38:47", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "38:56", "start_time": "38:47", "text": "Would you would you say that if you offer these things, if you, if you outperform everyone else by, like, taking on more work, you do have a better chance for progress?" }, { "end_time": "39:02", "start_time": "38:57", "text": "So I will not advocate if somebody says, oh, is it important to do an MBA or not?" }, { "end_time": "39:05", "start_time": "39:02", "text": "I will not have an opinion either way on it." }, { "end_time": "39:16", "start_time": "39:05", "text": "So for example, in my last, assignment or even before that, I've had juniors, reporting to me, let's say, 50 of them." }, { "end_time": "39:29", "start_time": "39:16", "text": "And if somebody told me out of this 50, 20 are from Ivy League Colleges, 20 are from b, you know, 2nd level b schools, and 10 are without MBA." }, { "end_time": "39:34", "start_time": "39:30", "text": "Honestly, I won't be able to tell you who's who because that's an entry ticket into a corporate." }, { "end_time": "39:50", "start_time": "39:35", "text": "After that, it depends on who is performing how and who has got passion, who's got I I I I genuinely think passion outweighs I would any day want to have a colleague who is passionate and hungry." }, { "end_time": "39:53", "start_time": "39:51", "text": "I forgot a ways." }, { "end_time": "39:59", "start_time": "39:54", "text": "Rather than have a Harvard graduate who'll show me in a 120 slide presentation why it cannot be done." }, { "end_time": "40:00", "start_time": "40:00", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "40:05", "start_time": "40:00", "text": "So nobody needs to be shown Michael Potter's 5 forces on why it can't be done." }, { "end_time": "40:08", "start_time": "40:06", "text": "What people are looking for is how can it be done." }, { "end_time": "40:10", "start_time": "40:08", "text": "Now that doesn't take away." }, { "end_time": "40:11", "start_time": "40:10", "text": "It's got nothing to do with MBA." }, { "end_time": "40:12", "start_time": "40:11", "text": "That doesn't take away." }, { "end_time": "40:15", "start_time": "40:12", "text": "I mean, I've done many executive MBA programs after that." }, { "end_time": "40:17", "start_time": "40:15", "text": "I've done it from Kellogg, from INSEAD, several other places." }, { "end_time": "40:20", "start_time": "40:18", "text": "And, of course, you learn great frameworks." }, { "end_time": "40:21", "start_time": "40:20", "text": "There is no denying that." }, { "end_time": "40:32", "start_time": "40:21", "text": "You come across, manage like, I've worked studied under Deepak Jain, the legendary, sort of, head of strategy and all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "40:38", "start_time": "40:33", "text": "Now in spending 1 hour in his presence will give you experience which is worth like a decade." }, { "end_time": "40:40", "start_time": "40:39", "text": "The plus it's like reading a book." }, { "end_time": "40:46", "start_time": "40:41", "text": "You might read 400 pages and find one idea in that, and that one idea could alter your entire life." }, { "end_time": "40:48", "start_time": "40:46", "text": "You know, it could alter it to give you a completely new." }, { "end_time": "40:50", "start_time": "40:48", "text": "So it's never about the number of pages." }, { "end_time": "40:58", "start_time": "40:50", "text": "It's number never about the amount of time that you spend with the person, but it's about your curiosity and your passion and to, you know, seek out those opportunities." }, { "end_time": "40:59", "start_time": "40:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "41:06", "start_time": "40:59", "text": "I still remember Deepak Jain came to give or rather conduct a session for us, Mahindra leaders." }, { "end_time": "41:08", "start_time": "41:07", "text": "And we were all Mahindra." }, { "end_time": "41:14", "start_time": "41:08", "text": "We had gone to this place in Nasik where Mahindra is that training establishment, Bodhiv Rish or something it's called." }, { "end_time": "41:24", "start_time": "41:16", "text": "And he we were 80 leaders 70, 80 leaders, and he was there, and he did his whole strategy or whatever." }, { "end_time": "41:29", "start_time": "41:24", "text": "But I made it a point to make sure that I was in the car which was dropping him to the airport." }, { "end_time": "41:30", "start_time": "41:30", "text": "Airport." }, { "end_time": "41:32", "start_time": "41:30", "text": "I got that 1 hour more with him." }, { "end_time": "41:34", "start_time": "41:32", "text": "And in that 1 hour more, you know, I was picking his mind." }, { "end_time": "41:38", "start_time": "41:34", "text": "I was, of course, I must have been asking very amateurish questions." }, { "end_time": "41:42", "start_time": "41:38", "text": "But that 1 hour getting with him was actually more valuable." }, { "end_time": "41:45", "start_time": "41:42", "text": "I mean, that was more value add, and that didn't come because anyone sent you an invite." }, { "end_time": "41:48", "start_time": "41:46", "text": "I I have realized this one thing and I often advocate." }, { "end_time": "41:51", "start_time": "41:49", "text": "You'll never get an invitation to the high table." }, { "end_time": "41:53", "start_time": "41:52", "text": "Nobody wants you at the high table." }, { "end_time": "41:54", "start_time": "41:53", "text": "It's already crowded." }, { "end_time": "41:56", "start_time": "41:54", "text": "They're trying to kick people out of the high table." }, { "end_time": "42:02", "start_time": "41:56", "text": "You have to move chairs and you have to pull your chair in and sit in the high table, and that you can only do by taking that initiative." }, { "end_time": "42:04", "start_time": "42:02", "text": "There's a ticket." }, { "end_time": "42:05", "start_time": "42:04", "text": "I'll go in that one hour with the vehicle." }, { "end_time": "42:07", "start_time": "42:05", "text": "Nobody is there's not there on the timetable." }, { "end_time": "42:09", "start_time": "42:07", "text": "But, hey, someone has got to drop him to the airport." }, { "end_time": "42:21", "start_time": "42:09", "text": "The guardian is going, let me sit in now that ability to find the opportunities, again, it's not a prerogative of an MBA or a non MBA, but I think non MBAs have to hustle a lot more." }, { "end_time": "42:31", "start_time": "42:22", "text": "And because they have to hustle a lot more in their lives, they are, perhaps much better at grabbing split fleeting opportunities." }, { "end_time": "42:35", "start_time": "42:32", "text": "Whereas people who come again, I'm being very cautious here." }, { "end_time": "42:47", "start_time": "42:35", "text": "You will find, you know, people on both sides, but people who have got a very formal structure of solving problems, whenever they'll see a problem, they'll try to go back to a case study which solves it." }, { "end_time": "42:50", "start_time": "42:47", "text": "They'll try to look for the hammer for this particular nail." }, { "end_time": "43:01", "start_time": "42:50", "text": "Whereas people who have who don't have that, structure may sometimes actually have the audacity to try something which is completely unthoughtful." }, { "end_time": "43:02", "start_time": "43:01", "text": "And I'm not saying they'll all succeed." }, { "end_time": "43:05", "start_time": "43:02", "text": "Many of them will fail, and they do fail." }, { "end_time": "43:10", "start_time": "43:05", "text": "But I think a nice mix is, ideal for an organization." }, { "end_time": "43:23", "start_time": "43:10", "text": "So an organization, I think, should ideally have some people who have very structured thinking and some people who have unstructured and creative thinking and create teams which work together." }, { "end_time": "43:25", "start_time": "43:23", "text": "And that's something, I mean, Shardul is aware of it." }, { "end_time": "43:34", "start_time": "43:25", "text": "In my entire career, I've always had 1 or 2 colleagues who are extremely structured thinkers, who are you know?" }, { "end_time": "43:38", "start_time": "43:34", "text": "So I have a colleague of mine with whom I worked not just here." }, { "end_time": "43:43", "start_time": "43:38", "text": "We we have unit officers from the same unit in the army, and we have worked together in several places." }, { "end_time": "43:53", "start_time": "43:43", "text": "Now he's a slick stickler for detail, and and, you know, he'll look at a spreadsheet like this and he'll spot 3 years, like that, understands finance, understands the nitty gritties." }, { "end_time": "43:58", "start_time": "43:55", "text": "He compliments an area where I'm extremely weak." }, { "end_time": "44:05", "start_time": "43:59", "text": "It'll be silly on my part to try to become an expert in that area because, a, I don't have a flair for it." }, { "end_time": "44:11", "start_time": "44:05", "text": "2nd, even if I did, I it's too late for me to work so hard to get into that space." }, { "end_time": "44:31", "start_time": "44:11", "text": "It's far better for me to have a relationship with 5 or 6 such people that whenever I have an assignment which requires this skill, I'm able to call those people to assist me in that project rather than trying to replicate or develop a skill which I'm not going to be good at as good as this person is." }, { "end_time": "44:42", "start_time": "44:32", "text": "So I think that ability to recognize It's not worth the return of investment." }, { "end_time": "44:53", "start_time": "44:42", "text": "It's much easier for me to hand over control of this area to somebody who understands this much better, is passionate about it, is much better qualified than me, and is far more intelligent in this space." }, { "end_time": "45:01", "start_time": "44:53", "text": "I think that ability is something that comes usually, if you don't have a formal structured education." }, { "end_time": "45:03", "start_time": "45:01", "text": "So what do you have a flair for?" }, { "end_time": "45:12", "start_time": "45:04", "text": "Actually, as things happen in life, usually you find that your weakest things are also your strongest things." }, { "end_time": "45:14", "start_time": "45:12", "text": "Because you put that much of an effort to Not really." }, { "end_time": "45:15", "start_time": "45:14", "text": "It's the other way around." }, { "end_time": "45:20", "start_time": "45:15", "text": "So for example by the way, when I was in school, I was a pretty bad student, a very, very bad student." }, { "end_time": "45:22", "start_time": "45:20", "text": "I used to come 1st, 2nd, 1st, 2nd from the bottom of the class." }, { "end_time": "45:26", "start_time": "45:23", "text": "And a large part of that and, you know, he's still aware." }, { "end_time": "45:29", "start_time": "45:26", "text": "Large part of that is that I'm never able to remember stuff." }, { "end_time": "45:32", "start_time": "45:30", "text": "So I cannot remember long acronyms." }, { "end_time": "45:35", "start_time": "45:32", "text": "I can't remember, you know, 17 points." }, { "end_time": "45:36", "start_time": "45:35", "text": "I can't remember 6 things." }, { "end_time": "45:37", "start_time": "45:36", "text": "It's very difficult for me." }, { "end_time": "45:38", "start_time": "45:37", "text": "I can't remember a phone number." }, { "end_time": "45:43", "start_time": "45:39", "text": "I think the only phone number I remember is my own number, and I don't remember any other number." }, { "end_time": "45:52", "start_time": "45:44", "text": "I have a learning disability in that space, but the same disability gives me the ability to make connections." }, { "end_time": "46:00", "start_time": "45:53", "text": "So I can look at the entire picture and say, if I took this idea, this idea, and this idea together and jam them together, you will have something completely new." }, { "end_time": "46:12", "start_time": "46:00", "text": "So the ability to create rather, a friend of mine gave it a term, the ability to cross pollinate, to take an idea from one place, connect it with another one, and come up with a solution which is completely different." }, { "end_time": "46:20", "start_time": "46:12", "text": "I think it comes from my inability to remember numbers, to be good in calculations, to do mental math, and all of that." }, { "end_time": "46:24", "start_time": "46:21", "text": "Because I'm weak in that area, I have the ability to join the dots." }, { "end_time": "46:31", "start_time": "46:24", "text": "Actually, I was just talking to, Myra when we were coming here about this famous story about 3 m." }, { "end_time": "46:32", "start_time": "46:31", "text": "I don't know if you're aware of it." }, { "end_time": "46:35", "start_time": "46:32", "text": "So 3 m used to be a glue making company." }, { "end_time": "46:37", "start_time": "46:36", "text": "They used to make glues." }, { "end_time": "46:50", "start_time": "46:38", "text": "And accidentally, in trying to make a super glue, which would be able to stick material like metal and metal together, something went wrong in the formula, and the glue became extremely weak." }, { "end_time": "46:55", "start_time": "46:50", "text": "So weak that even if you stick it in paper and you stick the paper, it'll just come off." }, { "end_time": "46:57", "start_time": "46:55", "text": "And that's how the 3 m post it started." }, { "end_time": "46:58", "start_time": "46:57", "text": "Uh-huh." }, { "end_time": "47:07", "start_time": "46:58", "text": "So the 3 m post it started because a glue, which was supposed to be very strong, turned out to be very weak, and it had a completely different application." }, { "end_time": "47:09", "start_time": "47:07", "text": "And I think that is true of all human beings." }, { "end_time": "47:14", "start_time": "47:09", "text": "All individuals, including the ones that our formal education system says are duffers." }, { "end_time": "47:32", "start_time": "47:16", "text": "I don't buy that story for the simple reason that by that logic, all the 98 percentile people who are completing their MBAs I mean, today, any even a reasonably tier 2 b school is cutting off at 96%, 98%, 99%." }, { "end_time": "47:35", "start_time": "47:33", "text": "So what happens to the remaining people?" }, { "end_time": "47:37", "start_time": "47:35", "text": "Are they are they are they supposed to lay down and die?" }, { "end_time": "47:44", "start_time": "47:37", "text": "Or are they supposed to say that we will work as, you know, the subordinates to the MBA for the but usually, life is the other way around." }, { "end_time": "47:48", "start_time": "47:44", "text": "Usually, in life, it's these guys who are employing those those people." }, { "end_time": "47:53", "start_time": "47:48", "text": "So very clearly, I think the educational system, also needs a relook." }, { "end_time": "47:54", "start_time": "47:53", "text": "It needs a rehaul." }, { "end_time": "47:59", "start_time": "47:54", "text": "People need to take a I'm not saying I'm not talking about boiling the ocean, but I'm saying as an individual." }, { "end_time": "48:08", "start_time": "47:59", "text": "I think today, if a young person feels that I'm going to attend the MBA, but I'm not going to be fanatic about it, I'll I'll learn over there." }, { "end_time": "48:10", "start_time": "48:08", "text": "I'll I'll do some stuff." }, { "end_time": "48:14", "start_time": "48:10", "text": "I'll also do, you know, organize TED programs in my college." }, { "end_time": "48:16", "start_time": "48:14", "text": "I'll also participate in some concert." }, { "end_time": "48:21", "start_time": "48:16", "text": "I'll also organize some NGO activity, and I'll work in the slums with something." }, { "end_time": "48:25", "start_time": "48:21", "text": "I think that, person is going to grow up to be a far more well rounded person." }, { "end_time": "48:30", "start_time": "48:26", "text": "He will know how to, work with different environments, different kind of people." }, { "end_time": "48:37", "start_time": "48:31", "text": "If you get used to saying that I need all aces in my team to win, only then I can win." }, { "end_time": "48:39", "start_time": "48:37", "text": "That's an artificial that's not gonna happen in real life." }, { "end_time": "48:41", "start_time": "48:39", "text": "In real life, you're not gonna get aces." }, { "end_time": "48:43", "start_time": "48:41", "text": "In real life, you'll get all sorts of people." }, { "end_time": "48:44", "start_time": "48:43", "text": "You'll get people who are intelligent." }, { "end_time": "48:45", "start_time": "48:44", "text": "You'll get people who are not intelligent." }, { "end_time": "48:48", "start_time": "48:45", "text": "You'll get people who have intelligence in one area and not in another area." }, { "end_time": "48:53", "start_time": "48:49", "text": "You'll get people who are passionate, people who are not passionate, people who are hungry, not hungry." }, { "end_time": "48:55", "start_time": "48:54", "text": "You'll get the cards that you get dealt with." }, { "end_time": "49:06", "start_time": "48:55", "text": "And the ability to play with cards which are not like you will usually only come if you have had some of that experience." }, { "end_time": "49:25", "start_time": "49:06", "text": "But if you have been always a topper in school, always been in an Ivy League college, and then you land into the real world, it might at I have usually found people who have done extreme again, I'm talking generally, done extremely well in academics very rarely take risks because they've got a perfect track record." }, { "end_time": "49:35", "start_time": "49:26", "text": "First divisional, 1st divisional, gold medalist, gold medalist, gold so he or she will never take something where there's a chance of a silver medal because it'll spoil their record." }, { "end_time": "49:45", "start_time": "49:35", "text": "Those people will very rarely take risks, and because they will take very rarely will they take risk, they will not deviate from a beaten path, and a beaten path is a beaten path with very little or very less returns." }, { "end_time": "49:47", "start_time": "49:46", "text": "You want higher returns?" }, { "end_time": "49:49", "start_time": "49:47", "text": "You have to take a path which is not beaten." }, { "end_time": "49:49", "start_time": "49:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:50", "start_time": "49:49", "text": "You know, you have to take that path." }, { "end_time": "49:56", "start_time": "49:50", "text": "And to take that path, usually, I mean, there's a saying that fools will leap where angels fear to tread." }, { "end_time": "50:10", "start_time": "49:56", "text": "And, of course, it's an extreme example, but I've usually found that, if you have to do something remarkably different, it does take a person who is not in the standard format of education and thinking to do that." }, { "end_time": "50:28", "start_time": "50:11", "text": "So since you had leadership experience in the army and then in the corporate world, something very cool you told me about the army in the last episode was that the training involves a slight shift in your mindset to be able to work as a team, to be able to have some more leadership qualities in each person." }, { "end_time": "50:38", "start_time": "50:29", "text": "So when you're doing that switch into leading in the corporate world and you're finding loose screws and you're finding, you know, people who aren't trained in that same manner that the army people are trained." }, { "end_time": "50:43", "start_time": "50:38", "text": "What were your discoveries about non army human beings?" }, { "end_time": "50:45", "start_time": "50:43", "text": "Like, what are they Non army human beings." }, { "end_time": "50:46", "start_time": "50:45", "text": "You're army human beings." }, { "end_time": "50:47", "start_time": "50:46", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "50:50", "start_time": "50:47", "text": "Like, human beings who haven't been through that kind of a grind." }, { "end_time": "51:01", "start_time": "50:50", "text": "So I think, you know, this question needs to be taken in some sort of a depth because I can give a shallow answer, which is, like, you know, the army is different, private sector is different." }, { "end_time": "51:02", "start_time": "51:01", "text": "I think the challenges are different." }, { "end_time": "51:03", "start_time": "51:02", "text": "On a very human level." }, { "end_time": "51:04", "start_time": "51:03", "text": "So you're saying environments are different." }, { "end_time": "51:06", "start_time": "51:04", "text": "They're completely different environments." }, { "end_time": "51:18", "start_time": "51:06", "text": "So you have to understand firstly that let's say, you and I, if you're working in the army together, in 6 months' time, you and I will know everything about each other for the simple reason we are spending 24 by 7 together, except when you are on leave or I'm on leave." }, { "end_time": "51:20", "start_time": "51:18", "text": "The rest of the time we are together, I'm seeing you in the officer's mess." }, { "end_time": "51:21", "start_time": "51:20", "text": "You're going up." }, { "end_time": "51:22", "start_time": "51:21", "text": "I am in your apartment." }, { "end_time": "51:28", "start_time": "51:22", "text": "You have no way of avoiding me, so you better you know, if I'm your senior, you better find a way to work with me, whatever it is." }, { "end_time": "51:36", "start_time": "51:29", "text": "In a corporate, you have a set period of time when you are from 9 to 5, you're working, and after that, you have another world." }, { "end_time": "51:37", "start_time": "51:36", "text": "What is happening in your world?" }, { "end_time": "51:40", "start_time": "51:37", "text": "What is happening, you know, in your very unknown to me." }, { "end_time": "51:46", "start_time": "51:40", "text": "Maybe once in a year, we'll meet in some, you know, festival or some raising day or, you know, Founders Day or something." }, { "end_time": "51:51", "start_time": "51:46", "text": "But other than that, it's very difficult to really know who the real you is." }, { "end_time": "51:52", "start_time": "51:51", "text": "I know your CV story." }, { "end_time": "51:53", "start_time": "51:52", "text": "I don't know your real story." }, { "end_time": "51:55", "start_time": "51:53", "text": "I have no idea about what your real story." }, { "end_time": "52:00", "start_time": "51:55", "text": "I have the I have the story you told me in your CV, and your CV story is obviously an embellished story." }, { "end_time": "52:02", "start_time": "52:00", "text": "All of us, our CV stories are embellished stories." }, { "end_time": "52:14", "start_time": "52:06", "text": "But you won't talk about the time where you were betrayed, where you betrayed people, where you have, you know, been, in your own eyes, you have not done the right thing and all of that." }, { "end_time": "52:16", "start_time": "52:14", "text": "This only a real friend will know." }, { "end_time": "52:20", "start_time": "52:16", "text": "Now what happens is in the army, that is the kind of camaraderie because physically you are together." }, { "end_time": "52:28", "start_time": "52:20", "text": "You you are you you in some places, you know each other's body odor because you're in the same bunk for 3 months or 6 months together." }, { "end_time": "52:30", "start_time": "52:28", "text": "So you know each and every idiosyncrasy of the person." }, { "end_time": "52:34", "start_time": "52:30", "text": "And you also learn that by and large, people are people." }, { "end_time": "52:37", "start_time": "52:34", "text": "There'll be some parts which will be good, some parts which will be bad." }, { "end_time": "52:39", "start_time": "52:37", "text": "So there's no such thing as a good person or a bad person." }, { "end_time": "52:44", "start_time": "52:39", "text": "Of course, there's some extreme examples, but by and large, people will have good things and bad things and all of that." }, { "end_time": "52:50", "start_time": "52:44", "text": "So you start accepting your teammates for who they are and not for what their CV says they are." }, { "end_time": "52:52", "start_time": "52:51", "text": "So that's one big difference." }, { "end_time": "52:59", "start_time": "52:52", "text": "The other is that there is some sort of a parity amongst everybody." }, { "end_time": "53:05", "start_time": "52:59", "text": "So if I'm a captain with a certain number of service and you are a captain with a certain number of service, our salaries are gonna be dictated by government of India." }, { "end_time": "53:09", "start_time": "53:05", "text": "It doesn't matter jack shit whether you outperform me 10 times." }, { "end_time": "53:11", "start_time": "53:09", "text": "You're not gonna get a performance bonus which is higher." }, { "end_time": "53:13", "start_time": "53:11", "text": "So at the economic level, there is a parity." }, { "end_time": "53:15", "start_time": "53:13", "text": "Of course, there are other measures of reward." }, { "end_time": "53:16", "start_time": "53:16", "text": "There's promotion." }, { "end_time": "53:18", "start_time": "53:17", "text": "There is, plum postings." }, { "end_time": "53:23", "start_time": "53:18", "text": "There are, you know, foreign tours and all of that, which are, you know, other mechanisms to reward." }, { "end_time": "53:26", "start_time": "53:23", "text": "But financially, there is sort of a parity." }, { "end_time": "53:29", "start_time": "53:26", "text": "So you're not I've very often found and this is a true story." }, { "end_time": "53:30", "start_time": "53:29", "text": "This has actually happened to me." }, { "end_time": "53:38", "start_time": "53:31", "text": "I remember when I was in one of the companies, I was the CEO, and one of my senior guys, the annual appraisal came to me." }, { "end_time": "53:39", "start_time": "53:38", "text": "We had a whole chat and all of that." }, { "end_time": "53:40", "start_time": "53:40", "text": "And I said, okay." }, { "end_time": "53:41", "start_time": "53:40", "text": "Job well done." }, { "end_time": "53:45", "start_time": "53:41", "text": "And I gave him his envelope for the next year's salary, and he opened it." }, { "end_time": "53:49", "start_time": "53:45", "text": "And he was delighted because he got a raise that he was not accepting expecting." }, { "end_time": "53:53", "start_time": "53:51", "text": "And he went out, boss, I was thanks a ton." }, { "end_time": "53:55", "start_time": "53:53", "text": "You know, I was thinking but not this much and all that." }, { "end_time": "53:57", "start_time": "53:55", "text": "He had done a good job, you know." }, { "end_time": "54:00", "start_time": "54:00", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "54:02", "start_time": "54:00", "text": "That guy has got 18." }, { "end_time": "54:09", "start_time": "54:07", "text": "But it's a it's a relative measurement." }, { "end_time": "54:21", "start_time": "54:09", "text": "So he's happy with what he's got in an absolute sense, but when compared with the relative sense, there is a certain amount of so, yes, those levers are very different in in the army or in the government for that matter." }, { "end_time": "54:22", "start_time": "54:21", "text": "The levers are different." }, { "end_time": "54:39", "start_time": "54:22", "text": "But I think there are some essences of leadership which are common, and I think those essences of leadership, are possibly more pronounced in the army for the simple reason that you are on duty all the time." }, { "end_time": "54:42", "start_time": "54:40", "text": "You know, for example, I could work in a corporate." }, { "end_time": "54:49", "start_time": "54:42", "text": "I'm just making it up, but I could work in a corporate and say come to the corporate at 9 o'clock in the morning and 5 o'clock leave." }, { "end_time": "54:53", "start_time": "54:49", "text": "Nobody really knows who I am after 5 to next day, 9 in the morning." }, { "end_time": "54:56", "start_time": "54:53", "text": "I mean, I could be, I could be a drunk." }, { "end_time": "54:58", "start_time": "54:56", "text": "I could be, you know, abusive person." }, { "end_time": "55:00", "start_time": "54:58", "text": "I could be whatever." }, { "end_time": "55:02", "start_time": "55:00", "text": "In the army, you're in a goldfish bowl." }, { "end_time": "55:03", "start_time": "55:02", "text": "You're you're living with the troops." }, { "end_time": "55:09", "start_time": "55:03", "text": "The troops are watching you all the time, so there is no way that you will have to be who you are, and that's okay." }, { "end_time": "55:10", "start_time": "55:09", "text": "Troops are okay with flawed leaders." }, { "end_time": "55:13", "start_time": "55:11", "text": "They are not okay with hypocritical leaders." }, { "end_time": "55:14", "start_time": "55:13", "text": "That's true in every place." }, { "end_time": "55:17", "start_time": "55:15", "text": "In every place, people will accept a flawed leader." }, { "end_time": "55:32", "start_time": "55:19", "text": "But overall, But they will never accept a person who puts up a facade and actually is something else, which I think there is a lot more scope to do in the corporate world because there are these 2 worlds." }, { "end_time": "55:38", "start_time": "55:32", "text": "So there is it's it's almost possible to do that, you know, maintain 1 not for long." }, { "end_time": "55:39", "start_time": "55:38", "text": "Obviously, you can't do this forever." }, { "end_time": "55:43", "start_time": "55:40", "text": "But, so these are some differences." }, { "end_time": "56:03", "start_time": "55:43", "text": "But I think the main essence where I would say leadership when it's distilled down, whether it's leadership in the army, whether it's leadership in a religious institution, in a school, in a slum, in an NGO, in a in a charitable institution, in anywhere, some aspects have to be common." }, { "end_time": "56:07", "start_time": "56:03", "text": "And the first aspect is a leader has to genuinely care for the troops, genuinely care." }, { "end_time": "56:09", "start_time": "56:07", "text": "I'm not saying mollycoddle the troops." }, { "end_time": "56:12", "start_time": "56:09", "text": "I'm not even saying that, oh, we are to be, you know, nice." }, { "end_time": "56:13", "start_time": "56:12", "text": "It's like tough parenting." }, { "end_time": "56:15", "start_time": "56:13", "text": "A tough parent genuinely cares about that." }, { "end_time": "56:16", "start_time": "56:15", "text": "Maybe he takes the wrong decisions." }, { "end_time": "56:17", "start_time": "56:16", "text": "I'm not debating that." }, { "end_time": "56:26", "start_time": "56:18", "text": "Could be possible that a parent in his or her wisdom insists that, no, no, you have to study engineering and maybe that's a wrong decision." }, { "end_time": "56:29", "start_time": "56:26", "text": "But there is no doubting that he has the welfare of the child in mind." }, { "end_time": "56:43", "start_time": "56:29", "text": "So I think that's the first criteria that the leaders' intention of being looking after the interests of the troops first is got to be very, very clear." }, { "end_time": "56:51", "start_time": "56:43", "text": "If that is not there, whether it's the army, the corporate world, everywhere, people recognize he's watching out for himself, and he doesn't give a jack shit." }, { "end_time": "56:57", "start_time": "56:51", "text": "And, unfortunately, not just in the corporate, but in many, many segments of life, bulk of the leaders are like that." }, { "end_time": "57:02", "start_time": "56:58", "text": "It's it's a sad and and I'm not making I'm not even pretending that I'm not one." }, { "end_time": "57:03", "start_time": "57:02", "text": "Maybe I'm one of them as well." }, { "end_time": "57:05", "start_time": "57:03", "text": "So I'm not making any judgment on that." }, { "end_time": "57:12", "start_time": "57:05", "text": "But usually, you'll find that, the the number of leaders who genuinely care genuinely care are, few." }, { "end_time": "57:16", "start_time": "57:13", "text": "And that's why maybe only a few reach that strategic level." }, { "end_time": "57:16", "start_time": "57:16", "text": "That's point number 1." }, { "end_time": "57:20", "start_time": "57:16", "text": "Point number 2, I think leaders have to be constantly learners." }, { "end_time": "57:22", "start_time": "57:20", "text": "They have to constantly keep learning." }, { "end_time": "57:24", "start_time": "57:22", "text": "Again, that is true in the army." }, { "end_time": "57:25", "start_time": "57:24", "text": "That is true in the corporate." }, { "end_time": "57:28", "start_time": "57:25", "text": "That is true in any successful leadership aspect." }, { "end_time": "57:33", "start_time": "57:29", "text": "You have to constantly be learning to be able to ask the right questions." }, { "end_time": "57:35", "start_time": "57:33", "text": "You have to be able to ask the right questions." }, { "end_time": "57:37", "start_time": "57:35", "text": "Why can't we do it this way?" }, { "end_time": "57:38", "start_time": "57:37", "text": "Why may we not do it this way?" }, { "end_time": "57:41", "start_time": "57:39", "text": "I mean and I and I I can tell you this." }, { "end_time": "57:49", "start_time": "57:41", "text": "I mean, I've worked with some of the leaders whose names you mentioned also a little while ago, and I can tell you they find the time to learn." }, { "end_time": "58:02", "start_time": "57:49", "text": "I mean and and so anybody who says I don't have the time, you can't be busier than a Mukesh Ambani or you can't be busier than a Bill Gates, and you are aware of this that each one of these leaders has their own way of constantly learning and updating." }, { "end_time": "58:09", "start_time": "58:02", "text": "Otherwise, how can a person who is a chemical engineer go on to raise a telecom which beats every other telecom at its game?" }, { "end_time": "58:09", "start_time": "58:09", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "58:09", "start_time": "58:09", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "58:11", "start_time": "58:09", "text": "You can't you can't say I'll just hire good telecom." }, { "end_time": "58:15", "start_time": "58:11", "text": "Of course, you can hire the best telecom people in the world, but so can your competition." }, { "end_time": "58:17", "start_time": "58:15", "text": "So what gives you that edge that you're able to do it?" }, { "end_time": "58:24", "start_time": "58:17", "text": "It's the ability to learn an entirely different domain in a very rapid time, so you have to be a constant learner." }, { "end_time": "58:27", "start_time": "58:24", "text": "The third thing is you also have to be a very good teacher." }, { "end_time": "58:29", "start_time": "58:28", "text": "Communication." }, { "end_time": "58:31", "start_time": "58:29", "text": "I won't just say communication." }, { "end_time": "58:32", "start_time": "58:31", "text": "I would say teacher." }, { "end_time": "58:33", "start_time": "58:32", "text": "And the difference between the 2." }, { "end_time": "58:35", "start_time": "58:33", "text": "Huge difference between the 2." }, { "end_time": "58:36", "start_time": "58:35", "text": "In fact, we should not confuse the 2." }, { "end_time": "58:43", "start_time": "58:37", "text": "A good communicator can communicate, very well but may teach nothing, may choose to teach nothing." }, { "end_time": "58:44", "start_time": "58:44", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "58:51", "start_time": "58:45", "text": "A good teacher might actually let an order go but allow the subordinate to learn something." }, { "end_time": "58:52", "start_time": "58:51", "text": "I'll I'll give you an example." }, { "end_time": "59:00", "start_time": "58:52", "text": "This is one of my CEOs who taught me this lesson, and I think it's one of the finest lessons I've learned in how to teach and how to mentor." }, { "end_time": "59:03", "start_time": "59:01", "text": "He was a commanding officer of mine called Subir Majumdar." }, { "end_time": "59:07", "start_time": "59:03", "text": "And I still remember exactly it's frozen in my head." }, { "end_time": "59:13", "start_time": "59:07", "text": "There was a general coming for a briefing, very, very important man coming for a briefing, very senior officer coming for a briefing." }, { "end_time": "59:16", "start_time": "59:13", "text": "And he suddenly looked at me, and I was a very junior person at that point, and he said, okay." }, { "end_time": "59:17", "start_time": "59:16", "text": "You are going to conduct the briefing." }, { "end_time": "59:19", "start_time": "59:19", "text": "Shit." }, { "end_time": "59:26", "start_time": "59:20", "text": "I was palpitating, and I was rehearsing, and I was practicing and this and that, and he's going to come, and the time is also short." }, { "end_time": "59:30", "start_time": "59:26", "text": "And I was like, I knew can explode and this and that and all of that." }, { "end_time": "59:34", "start_time": "59:30", "text": "And I'm literally of course, then I said, I went through the whole thing." }, { "end_time": "59:39", "start_time": "59:34", "text": "And just before the presentation was going to start, he just indicated to me to sit down, and he started the presentation." }, { "end_time": "59:45", "start_time": "59:42", "text": "One could say, why the hell did you put me through that shit?" }, { "end_time": "59:46", "start_time": "59:45", "text": "But that was the mentorship." }, { "end_time": "59:54", "start_time": "59:46", "text": "He actually put me through the palpitations which is going to happen in a high risk presentation without actually taking the risk of doing that." }, { "end_time": "59:59", "start_time": "59:54", "text": "So he made me go through the entire battle inoculation without the actual battle." }, { "end_time": "1:00:02", "start_time": "59:59", "text": "So the next time I had to do it, I would be prepared for it." }, { "end_time": "1:00:05", "start_time": "1:00:02", "text": "It's a very thoughtful gesture because he could have chosen not to do it at all." }, { "end_time": "1:00:06", "start_time": "1:00:05", "text": "He could have said, no." }, { "end_time": "1:00:07", "start_time": "1:00:06", "text": "I'll do the presentation." }, { "end_time": "1:00:08", "start_time": "1:00:07", "text": "You just help me." }, { "end_time": "1:00:11", "start_time": "1:00:08", "text": "In which case, I switch off completely because if he's going to do it, why should I get involved?" }, { "end_time": "1:00:13", "start_time": "1:00:11", "text": "I will take a look at the pointers." }, { "end_time": "1:00:16", "start_time": "1:00:13", "text": "But beyond that, I'm not invested in it." }, { "end_time": "1:00:23", "start_time": "1:00:16", "text": "But the moment he shifted it to me, I became invested in it personally, and he used that opportunity to train me on that." }, { "end_time": "1:00:26", "start_time": "1:00:23", "text": "Now this is a technique I have followed throughout my career." }, { "end_time": "1:00:31", "start_time": "1:00:26", "text": "In every meeting that I'll go, I'll take 1 or 2 youngsters with me for two reasons." }, { "end_time": "1:00:35", "start_time": "1:00:31", "text": "One is that they sit as a fly on the wall and see what happens in these strategic tables." }, { "end_time": "1:00:40", "start_time": "1:00:35", "text": "What what are the kind of discussions that are done so that they don't have this awe of an ivory tower." }, { "end_time": "1:00:43", "start_time": "1:00:42", "text": "They realize that they are also human beings." }, { "end_time": "1:00:44", "start_time": "1:00:43", "text": "They also have failings." }, { "end_time": "1:00:49", "start_time": "1:00:44", "text": "They also don't understand many things and, you know, that jam or that awe goes away." }, { "end_time": "1:00:54", "start_time": "1:00:49", "text": "The second is I'll usually tell them that, hey, listen, I may ask you to take on at some point." }, { "end_time": "1:00:56", "start_time": "1:00:55", "text": "That helps them prepare." }, { "end_time": "1:00:58", "start_time": "1:00:56", "text": "And sometimes once in a while, I ask them also." }, { "end_time": "1:00:59", "start_time": "1:00:58", "text": "Otherwise, the thread doesn't hold good." }, { "end_time": "1:01:01", "start_time": "1:00:59", "text": "So I'll ask them once in a while." }, { "end_time": "1:01:05", "start_time": "1:01:01", "text": "Now these kind of techniques are also techniques of teaching." }, { "end_time": "1:01:09", "start_time": "1:01:05", "text": "So teaching doesn't just mean I can stand and do a brilliant lecture." }, { "end_time": "1:01:19", "start_time": "1:01:09", "text": "Teaching means how do I find opportunities where I can allow my colleagues or my peers to experience that learning." }, { "end_time": "1:01:20", "start_time": "1:01:20", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:27", "start_time": "1:01:20", "text": "Or or for example, I'll often do this that whenever I'm going to hire a strategic hire, I will ask 3 or 4 people to interview that person." }, { "end_time": "1:01:31", "start_time": "1:01:28", "text": "And then I'll ask that person, okay, what is your suggestion?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:34", "start_time": "1:01:32", "text": "It says, should we take or not take?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:35", "start_time": "1:01:34", "text": "If so, yes." }, { "end_time": "1:01:35", "start_time": "1:01:35", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:36", "start_time": "1:01:35", "text": "Not, why?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:40", "start_time": "1:01:37", "text": "Now what is happening is that person's rigor is being applied." }, { "end_time": "1:01:41", "start_time": "1:01:40", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:42", "start_time": "1:01:41", "text": "She's applying the rigor." }, { "end_time": "1:01:43", "start_time": "1:01:42", "text": "He's applying the rigor." }, { "end_time": "1:01:48", "start_time": "1:01:43", "text": "I'm also getting into the brain and thinking of that individual." }, { "end_time": "1:01:51", "start_time": "1:01:48", "text": "Like, I'll tell you, I had a colleague, in my last stint." }, { "end_time": "1:01:54", "start_time": "1:01:51", "text": "You send any person to him for an interview, he's a fabulous guy." }, { "end_time": "1:01:56", "start_time": "1:01:55", "text": "That's the nature of that person." }, { "end_time": "1:01:57", "start_time": "1:01:56", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:58", "start_time": "1:01:57", "text": "He he likes to look at every person." }, { "end_time": "1:01:59", "start_time": "1:01:58", "text": "Oh, buddy." }, { "end_time": "1:02:00", "start_time": "1:01:59", "text": "Good job." }, { "end_time": "1:02:01", "start_time": "1:02:00", "text": "He's a very good job." }, { "end_time": "1:02:02", "start_time": "1:02:01", "text": "So you'll calibrate." }, { "end_time": "1:02:05", "start_time": "1:02:02", "text": "When so and so says very good, you have to calibrate it and bring it down." }, { "end_time": "1:02:10", "start_time": "1:02:05", "text": "If he says a 9 pointer, you have to bring it down to about 6 or 7 because he will always over grade." }, { "end_time": "1:02:18", "start_time": "1:02:10", "text": "Similarly, there may be somebody who is extremely cynical or who may have extremely, you know, parochial views about something." }, { "end_time": "1:02:19", "start_time": "1:02:18", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:24", "start_time": "1:02:20", "text": "Maybe you have a colleague who has a view that, no, no, women can't work late." }, { "end_time": "1:02:28", "start_time": "1:02:24", "text": "So if this job requires late working hard, I'd prefer a man." }, { "end_time": "1:02:30", "start_time": "1:02:28", "text": "Now this is a mindset that the person has." }, { "end_time": "1:02:33", "start_time": "1:02:31", "text": "It's important for you to know that mindset." }, { "end_time": "1:02:35", "start_time": "1:02:33", "text": "It's important for you to know what is the mindset of this person." }, { "end_time": "1:02:37", "start_time": "1:02:35", "text": "Now you can't do a quiz on that person." }, { "end_time": "1:02:37", "start_time": "1:02:37", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:02:39", "start_time": "1:02:38", "text": "So how do you do that?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:45", "start_time": "1:02:39", "text": "You do this with creating opportunities where you are able to observe that person's behavior, And you say, okay." }, { "end_time": "1:02:49", "start_time": "1:02:45", "text": "When you person is given this situation, this is the way the person reacts to that situation." }, { "end_time": "1:02:54", "start_time": "1:02:49", "text": "That also allows you to understand that person much better and understand that person's thinking much better." }, { "end_time": "1:02:56", "start_time": "1:02:54", "text": "So if person a comes back and say, hey." }, { "end_time": "1:02:58", "start_time": "1:02:56", "text": "That was a fantastic presentation." }, { "end_time": "1:03:00", "start_time": "1:02:59", "text": "Is it okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:01", "start_time": "1:03:00", "text": "It must have been good." }, { "end_time": "1:03:02", "start_time": "1:03:01", "text": "Couldn't have been excellent?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:05", "start_time": "1:03:02", "text": "And person b comes as a total they fucked it up, man." }, { "end_time": "1:03:06", "start_time": "1:03:05", "text": "They screwed it up." }, { "end_time": "1:03:06", "start_time": "1:03:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:03:11", "start_time": "1:03:06", "text": "He's probably gone good, but by his calibration, he will always give it." }, { "end_time": "1:03:21", "start_time": "1:03:11", "text": "It's very important to understand that because eventually for a strategic leader, you have to use the eyes and minds of other people to make your decisions." }, { "end_time": "1:03:25", "start_time": "1:03:22", "text": "And eyes and minds of other people are never objective." }, { "end_time": "1:03:26", "start_time": "1:03:25", "text": "They're always subjective." }, { "end_time": "1:03:29", "start_time": "1:03:26", "text": "They always add a narrative of that individual." }, { "end_time": "1:03:31", "start_time": "1:03:29", "text": "So the like a rosh test." }, { "end_time": "1:03:32", "start_time": "1:03:31", "text": "You see the same rosh picture." }, { "end_time": "1:03:34", "start_time": "1:03:33", "text": "I'm sure you know that inkblot test." }, { "end_time": "1:03:35", "start_time": "1:03:34", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:40", "start_time": "1:03:35", "text": "So you open the test, and if we were administering it to 5 people, 5 people will see 5 different stories there." }, { "end_time": "1:03:41", "start_time": "1:03:40", "text": "That's not the picture." }, { "end_time": "1:03:43", "start_time": "1:03:41", "text": "The story is in their head." }, { "end_time": "1:03:44", "start_time": "1:03:43", "text": "The picture is only the trigger." }, { "end_time": "1:03:47", "start_time": "1:03:44", "text": "So if you have to lead, eventually, who are you leading?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:48", "start_time": "1:03:47", "text": "Now think about it." }, { "end_time": "1:03:49", "start_time": "1:03:48", "text": "As a leader, who are you lead?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:51", "start_time": "1:03:49", "text": "Are you leading the physical form of Ranbir?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:53", "start_time": "1:03:51", "text": "Are you leading his legs and his arms and his chest?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:54", "start_time": "1:03:53", "text": "Are you leading his mind?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:57", "start_time": "1:03:55", "text": "If you're leading his mind, then you have to know the mind." }, { "end_time": "1:04:01", "start_time": "1:03:58", "text": "And your mind is very different from his mind." }, { "end_time": "1:04:01", "start_time": "1:04:01", "text": "It's very different." }, { "end_time": "1:04:03", "start_time": "1:04:01", "text": "Your mind is very different from your mind yesterday." }, { "end_time": "1:04:06", "start_time": "1:04:04", "text": "Your mind is very different under pressure." }, { "end_time": "1:04:11", "start_time": "1:04:07", "text": "Your mind is very different in a creative task versus a mechanical task." }, { "end_time": "1:04:18", "start_time": "1:04:11", "text": "There are some people who will check the 100th line of the Excel sheet with the same diligence as the first line." }, { "end_time": "1:04:29", "start_time": "1:04:18", "text": "There are some people after the third line, they'll get now if you don't know whom to assign what task, even if you have a great team, you will actually start messing up." }, { "end_time": "1:04:29", "start_time": "1:04:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:04:32", "start_time": "1:04:29", "text": "So I think that is what I mean by a teaching leader." }, { "end_time": "1:04:39", "start_time": "1:04:32", "text": "A teaching leader is always trying to impart whatever knowledge they have to their ecosystem." }, { "end_time": "1:04:42", "start_time": "1:04:39", "text": "Again, with a very self I'm not saying, again, not from an altruistic point." }, { "end_time": "1:04:45", "start_time": "1:04:42", "text": "None of this stuff that I'm telling you is from an altruistic point." }, { "end_time": "1:04:48", "start_time": "1:04:45", "text": "It's from a point of view of becoming a better leader." }, { "end_time": "1:05:01", "start_time": "1:04:48", "text": "Because if you understand how a person is behaving and you are able to impart what you know or what you think in that situation to that person, then you are actually force multiplying your capability." }, { "end_time": "1:05:05", "start_time": "1:05:02", "text": "But if you don't do either of this, you don't teach, if you say, okay." }, { "end_time": "1:05:06", "start_time": "1:05:05", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:05:06", "start_time": "1:05:06", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:05:07", "start_time": "1:05:06", "text": "Select this guy." }, { "end_time": "1:05:09", "start_time": "1:05:07", "text": "Why select this guy?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:17", "start_time": "1:05:09", "text": "That person has no idea of where she went wrong, what can be recalibrated, where is the alignment mismatch, and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "1:05:25", "start_time": "1:05:17", "text": "So I'll go back to the 3 fundamentals, genuine genuine interest in the teams that you're leading, that they must do well." }, { "end_time": "1:05:30", "start_time": "1:05:25", "text": "And that they must doing well is not necessarily give them a raise in the salary." }, { "end_time": "1:05:41", "start_time": "1:05:30", "text": "It could just be like, I remember in Reliance, I embarked on a program which was basically to make sure that every officer who was working in that group, that their knowledge level was enhanced." }, { "end_time": "1:05:47", "start_time": "1:05:41", "text": "They they would become better people in terms of general education, general knowledge, better communicators." }, { "end_time": "1:05:50", "start_time": "1:05:47", "text": "We had an internal exam in Reliance called the CAPS." }, { "end_time": "1:05:58", "start_time": "1:05:50", "text": "It's the career accelerated program, which anybody after 4 years or 3 years of service can write, and it puts you on an accelerated track." }, { "end_time": "1:06:04", "start_time": "1:05:58", "text": "And this whole initiative of literally compelling people that, hey, we have to give this example." }, { "end_time": "1:06:05", "start_time": "1:06:04", "text": "You have to give this." }, { "end_time": "1:06:06", "start_time": "1:06:05", "text": "It's like a civil service." }, { "end_time": "1:06:12", "start_time": "1:06:07", "text": "And the number of people who cleared that, it shows you that the talent was already there." }, { "end_time": "1:06:14", "start_time": "1:06:12", "text": "It just needed that stimuli, and that's the job of a leader." }, { "end_time": "1:06:25", "start_time": "1:06:14", "text": "The job of a leader is to provide that stimuli that compels an individual to go beyond a limit that has been imposed by themselves." }, { "end_time": "1:06:27", "start_time": "1:06:25", "text": "Usually, that limit has been imposed by other people." }, { "end_time": "1:06:29", "start_time": "1:06:28", "text": "Somebody else has told you, oh, yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:06:30", "start_time": "1:06:29", "text": "This is good enough for you." }, { "end_time": "1:06:30", "start_time": "1:06:30", "text": "This is good." }, { "end_time": "1:06:30", "start_time": "1:06:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:06:31", "start_time": "1:06:30", "text": "You're a very good chap." }, { "end_time": "1:06:32", "start_time": "1:06:31", "text": "You are in this level." }, { "end_time": "1:06:33", "start_time": "1:06:32", "text": "It's fantastic." }, { "end_time": "1:06:41", "start_time": "1:06:33", "text": "But if you actually compel them to try an attempt which is much bigger and they actually make it, you're building their confidence." }, { "end_time": "1:06:42", "start_time": "1:06:41", "text": "You're building better." }, { "end_time": "1:06:47", "start_time": "1:06:42", "text": "You're building a better version of that person, which I think is the primary job of every leader." }, { "end_time": "1:06:50", "start_time": "1:06:47", "text": "2nd, as I told you, you have to be learning constantly." }, { "end_time": "1:06:51", "start_time": "1:06:50", "text": "You have to be constantly learning." }, { "end_time": "1:06:52", "start_time": "1:06:51", "text": "It can be technology." }, { "end_time": "1:06:53", "start_time": "1:06:52", "text": "It can be new concepts." }, { "end_time": "1:06:57", "start_time": "1:06:53", "text": "It can be a different way like the podcast that you I I watched that point." }, { "end_time": "1:06:59", "start_time": "1:06:57", "text": "I may not connect with that podcast, but I need to watch it." }, { "end_time": "1:07:01", "start_time": "1:06:59", "text": "Why does it have 4,000,000 views?" }, { "end_time": "1:07:09", "start_time": "1:07:01", "text": "So what is it that is, attracting these who are these 4,000,000 people and why are they listening to this and what am I missing out of that?" }, { "end_time": "1:07:12", "start_time": "1:07:09", "text": "You know, you're kind of, buddy, I don't like it, so it's." }, { "end_time": "1:07:13", "start_time": "1:07:12", "text": "It's not." }, { "end_time": "1:07:25", "start_time": "1:07:13", "text": "If it's got 4,000,000 views, which is twice the number of views that any one of my talks has got, then very clearly either they have some formula or some audience or something that I need to learn from." }, { "end_time": "1:07:31", "start_time": "1:07:25", "text": "And the last point is that if you constantly keep teaching, one, it reinforces that knowledge in your own head." }, { "end_time": "1:07:41", "start_time": "1:07:31", "text": "Secondly, you are building a more enriched team, and you are building also a very, vibrant culture where people share knowledge and say, take this." }, { "end_time": "1:07:42", "start_time": "1:07:41", "text": "It's there." }, { "end_time": "1:07:43", "start_time": "1:07:42", "text": "We have done this successfully." }, { "end_time": "1:07:46", "start_time": "1:07:43", "text": "Take it from us, you know, rather than holding knowledge." }, { "end_time": "1:07:48", "start_time": "1:07:46", "text": "You know, we have been trained, actually." }, { "end_time": "1:07:51", "start_time": "1:07:48", "text": "Unfortunately, our education system trains us to hold knowledge." }, { "end_time": "1:07:53", "start_time": "1:07:51", "text": "That's why kids are taught how to write an exam." }, { "end_time": "1:07:55", "start_time": "1:07:53", "text": "1st, cover your creation, then create." }, { "end_time": "1:07:58", "start_time": "1:07:55", "text": "You train them like this for 20 years, and one day, you them collaborate." }, { "end_time": "1:07:59", "start_time": "1:07:58", "text": "How can they collaborate?" }, { "end_time": "1:08:02", "start_time": "1:07:59", "text": "They've been trained to hold knowledge inside them." }, { "end_time": "1:08:05", "start_time": "1:08:02", "text": "I think these three traits I found are common." }, { "end_time": "1:08:07", "start_time": "1:08:05", "text": "The the the good leaders have it in bureaucracy." }, { "end_time": "1:08:08", "start_time": "1:08:07", "text": "They have it in army." }, { "end_time": "1:08:10", "start_time": "1:08:08", "text": "They have it in corporates." }, { "end_time": "1:08:11", "start_time": "1:08:10", "text": "They have it in sports." }, { "end_time": "1:08:16", "start_time": "1:08:11", "text": "Some of the greatest leaders in sports actually make the player shine much better than them." }, { "end_time": "1:08:16", "start_time": "1:08:16", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:08:18", "start_time": "1:08:16", "text": "Tony is a great example." }, { "end_time": "1:08:22", "start_time": "1:08:18", "text": "When when he's there in the field, everyone feels that I can operate at my very best." }, { "end_time": "1:08:26", "start_time": "1:08:22", "text": "Some other captain may actually bring a sense of fear into the day." }, { "end_time": "1:08:26", "start_time": "1:08:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:08:32", "start_time": "1:08:26", "text": "We are now we are they so anybody I mean, there's a very famous, statement made." }, { "end_time": "1:08:34", "start_time": "1:08:33", "text": "Who is a powerful leader?" }, { "end_time": "1:08:40", "start_time": "1:08:35", "text": "A powerful leader is 1 in whose room when you enter and come out, you feel powerful." }, { "end_time": "1:08:42", "start_time": "1:08:41", "text": "You feel energetic." }, { "end_time": "1:08:48", "start_time": "1:08:43", "text": "A powerless leader is 1 in whose room if you go, you're scared, and when you come out, you are like half of what you were earlier." }, { "end_time": "1:08:51", "start_time": "1:08:48", "text": "So the idea of power is different." }, { "end_time": "1:08:58", "start_time": "1:08:51", "text": "A powerful leader is one who gives people the feeling that they have become more powerful." }, { "end_time": "1:09:01", "start_time": "1:08:58", "text": "A powerless leader takes away that power from people." }, { "end_time": "1:09:03", "start_time": "1:09:01", "text": "A lot of people think it's the other way around." }, { "end_time": "1:09:14", "start_time": "1:09:13", "text": "Then he's a powerless leader." }, { "end_time": "1:09:25", "start_time": "1:09:15", "text": "But if you feel will take me to the next level, will will, you know, genuinely watch out for my interest, then that is a powerful leader." }, { "end_time": "1:09:33", "start_time": "1:09:25", "text": "So I think that these these three traits I found common across all the 3 domains that I've worked and also seen other people." }, { "end_time": "1:09:42", "start_time": "1:09:33", "text": "So coming back to your story, you had one very interesting evolution right after, I think, your Mahindra stint, and your initial corporates." }, { "end_time": "1:09:45", "start_time": "1:09:42", "text": "And I feel your corporate career is divided into 2 parts." }, { "end_time": "1:09:48", "start_time": "1:09:45", "text": "In the middle of that, you worked with the government also on a project." }, { "end_time": "1:09:57", "start_time": "1:09:48", "text": "So I know you can't talk about it too much on a public podcast like this, but in whatever capacity you can, I'd love to hear it from your mouth and also share it with my listeners." }, { "end_time": "1:10:02", "start_time": "1:09:57", "text": "And all even if you can't share what you did exactly, if you could share some learnings from that stint of your life." }, { "end_time": "1:10:05", "start_time": "1:10:03", "text": "So, obviously, I can't share what I did there." }, { "end_time": "1:10:13", "start_time": "1:10:05", "text": "I mean, it's still, it's, it's a classified, but in the interest of us as a country, it's not and it's not really important what I did there." }, { "end_time": "1:10:22", "start_time": "1:10:13", "text": "What is more important is that I think for a country like India, we must start understanding the concept." }, { "end_time": "1:10:25", "start_time": "1:10:22", "text": "So I'll let me take a project like Aadhaar, which is more talkable." }, { "end_time": "1:10:31", "start_time": "1:10:25", "text": "And it happened at the same time, and I was quite, you know, you know, involved in that also." }, { "end_time": "1:10:36", "start_time": "1:10:31", "text": "And, of course, Nandan, who was heading it at that point of time, was also kind of a mentor in many other ways." }, { "end_time": "1:10:47", "start_time": "1:10:36", "text": "So, we have to, as a country, start looking at leveraging our national capacity, not government capacity, not private sector capacity, but national capacity." }, { "end_time": "1:10:50", "start_time": "1:10:48", "text": "So what does national capacity mean?" }, { "end_time": "1:10:58", "start_time": "1:10:50", "text": "The national capacity is the government, the private sector, the citizens, individuals, all working together towards the same mission." }, { "end_time": "1:11:05", "start_time": "1:10:58", "text": "Because increasingly, problems of our country are going to be complex and multidimensional and multistakeholder." }, { "end_time": "1:11:13", "start_time": "1:11:06", "text": "For instance, to understand, a politician's dilemma, let's say, political leader's dilemma." }, { "end_time": "1:11:17", "start_time": "1:11:13", "text": "Suppose you are asked, how do you improve the health of a country like India?" }, { "end_time": "1:11:19", "start_time": "1:11:18", "text": "Now there is no one single thrust line." }, { "end_time": "1:11:20", "start_time": "1:11:19", "text": "Do you need more doctors?" }, { "end_time": "1:11:21", "start_time": "1:11:20", "text": "Of course, you need more doctors." }, { "end_time": "1:11:22", "start_time": "1:11:21", "text": "More nurses?" }, { "end_time": "1:11:22", "start_time": "1:11:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:11:23", "start_time": "1:11:22", "text": "You need more nurses." }, { "end_time": "1:11:24", "start_time": "1:11:23", "text": "But you also need hygiene." }, { "end_time": "1:11:27", "start_time": "1:11:25", "text": "You also need a clean sewer disposal." }, { "end_time": "1:11:28", "start_time": "1:11:27", "text": "You also need clean air." }, { "end_time": "1:11:31", "start_time": "1:11:28", "text": "You need to give education to mothers to have the proper nutrition." }, { "end_time": "1:11:34", "start_time": "1:11:32", "text": "You need to give inoculation to the babies." }, { "end_time": "1:11:38", "start_time": "1:11:34", "text": "You need to make sure that there is a, you know, a post delivery care." }, { "end_time": "1:11:40", "start_time": "1:11:38", "text": "This thing you have to be early." }, { "end_time": "1:11:47", "start_time": "1:11:40", "text": "So it is a multifunctional and multi stakeholder activity which has to work in conjunction with each other." }, { "end_time": "1:11:49", "start_time": "1:11:47", "text": "Just by providing more doctors is not gonna solve the problem." }, { "end_time": "1:11:55", "start_time": "1:11:49", "text": "Like we realized in COVID, just by providing ventilators, how are you gonna make for the shortfall of the doctors?" }, { "end_time": "1:11:57", "start_time": "1:11:55", "text": "For shortfall of the doctors, you'll have to go back 15 years." }, { "end_time": "1:11:58", "start_time": "1:11:57", "text": "No?" }, { "end_time": "1:12:02", "start_time": "1:11:58", "text": "You'll have to train a doctor, have him have his 5 years experience, then internship, then the the the wall." }, { "end_time": "1:12:08", "start_time": "1:12:02", "text": "So you suddenly realize that when you are trying to solve national problems, you need to leverage national capacity." }, { "end_time": "1:12:12", "start_time": "1:12:08", "text": "Now the national capacity can come from various different segments." }, { "end_time": "1:12:29", "start_time": "1:12:13", "text": "Matter of fact, most complex problems in the world, whether it's the taming of the atom, the Manhattan Project, or even, major major things that, nations have done, It has happened as a collaboration between several entities, which included the government, the private sector, the private citizens." }, { "end_time": "1:12:30", "start_time": "1:12:29", "text": "They all work together." }, { "end_time": "1:12:43", "start_time": "1:12:31", "text": "Now fortunately, or unfortunately, whichever way you want to look at it, in countries like the US, the UK, Europe, this has already been done several times during the 1st and the 2nd World War." }, { "end_time": "1:12:59", "start_time": "1:12:43", "text": "So in the 2nd World War or in the case of US, even in Vietnam, it's a very common thing for a lot of the military who worked in the corporate world and then come to a decision point where they have to take a decision on the military, and they have an understanding because they have been there." }, { "end_time": "1:13:15", "start_time": "1:13:00", "text": "So a lot of the European leaders, or even American leaders, corporate leaders, have had a stint in the forces in the earlier decades that I've so they understand that, government, private partnerships are not very adversarial." }, { "end_time": "1:13:20", "start_time": "1:13:16", "text": "In India, to a certain extent, they are still adversarial." }, { "end_time": "1:13:22", "start_time": "1:13:20", "text": "It's seen as a private sector." }, { "end_time": "1:13:30", "start_time": "1:13:24", "text": "So there is that almost like a Chinese wall between these two entities and for whatever reasons, valid reasons on both sides." }, { "end_time": "1:13:35", "start_time": "1:13:30", "text": "Maybe the government thinks that, you know, a lot of people in the corporate sector are corrupt and that could be a thinking." }, { "end_time": "1:13:40", "start_time": "1:13:36", "text": "A lot of people in the corporate sector think government they are very lethargic and both are wrong." }, { "end_time": "1:13:41", "start_time": "1:13:40", "text": "Both are wrong." }, { "end_time": "1:13:55", "start_time": "1:13:41", "text": "I think government, if you look at their hours of working and more importantly their responsibility, it is an unimaginable, because if you're working in the private sector and let's say you screw up, at the worst you lose your job." }, { "end_time": "1:14:02", "start_time": "1:13:55", "text": "You do the same thing in the government, the CBI could come after you because they may say that there's a clear cut, intentional so whatever." }, { "end_time": "1:14:06", "start_time": "1:14:02", "text": "So the stakes at which they are working, the environment in which they're working is very different." }, { "end_time": "1:14:18", "start_time": "1:14:06", "text": "Now I think both these worlds need to understand and work together, because if any nation has to look at solving complex problems, You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:14:25", "start_time": "1:14:18", "text": "There's a friend of mine who actually runs a session with CFOs, and she puts them into 3 different groups." }, { "end_time": "1:14:25", "start_time": "1:14:25", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:14:26", "start_time": "1:14:25", "text": "She says, okay." }, { "end_time": "1:14:34", "start_time": "1:14:26", "text": "You are all bureaucrats and government servants, and you are NGOs and activists and you are the corporate sector." }, { "end_time": "1:14:37", "start_time": "1:14:34", "text": "And then she asks each demography, what do you think about them?" }, { "end_time": "1:14:42", "start_time": "1:14:38", "text": "So the government thinks, oh, the private sector guys, they're already always capitalized money." }, { "end_time": "1:14:43", "start_time": "1:14:42", "text": "They only want money." }, { "end_time": "1:14:44", "start_time": "1:14:43", "text": "They wanna make more money." }, { "end_time": "1:14:44", "start_time": "1:14:44", "text": "You give them any license." }, { "end_time": "1:14:46", "start_time": "1:14:45", "text": "They'll try to make profitability out of it." }, { "end_time": "1:14:53", "start_time": "1:14:46", "text": "If you don't regulate the prices, they will shoot the prices of medicines up and You ask the corporate people." }, { "end_time": "1:14:56", "start_time": "1:14:53", "text": "They say, which company license for everything you need permission." }, { "end_time": "1:14:58", "start_time": "1:14:56", "text": "Permission to open a business." }, { "end_time": "1:14:59", "start_time": "1:14:58", "text": "You need 200 permission." }, { "end_time": "1:15:00", "start_time": "1:14:59", "text": "There's that." }, { "end_time": "1:15:01", "start_time": "1:15:00", "text": "They have no understanding of our business." }, { "end_time": "1:15:03", "start_time": "1:15:01", "text": "They don't understand technology." }, { "end_time": "1:15:07", "start_time": "1:15:03", "text": "They'll put some rule which will be completely what do you think about the NGO?" }, { "end_time": "1:15:09", "start_time": "1:15:07", "text": "Activists, they don't allow any project to start." }, { "end_time": "1:15:10", "start_time": "1:15:09", "text": "They have nothing to start." }, { "end_time": "1:15:11", "start_time": "1:15:10", "text": "They did that now." }, { "end_time": "1:15:18", "start_time": "1:15:11", "text": "Now it's the same group of people, the same group of CFOs when they wear a hat of the other side, they have an adversarial relationship." }, { "end_time": "1:15:19", "start_time": "1:15:18", "text": "But guess what?" }, { "end_time": "1:15:25", "start_time": "1:15:19", "text": "For any project to happen, if you want to increase jobs in Maharashtra, you need to provide maybe a port." }, { "end_time": "1:15:26", "start_time": "1:15:25", "text": "A new port has to come." }, { "end_time": "1:15:33", "start_time": "1:15:27", "text": "If you build a port, that will provide jobs to 10,000 people, we'll also maybe kill 10,000 ridley turtles." }, { "end_time": "1:15:34", "start_time": "1:15:33", "text": "That's also important." }, { "end_time": "1:15:38", "start_time": "1:15:34", "text": "Where ridley turtles die, they are the precursor of the nature getting destroyed." }, { "end_time": "1:15:39", "start_time": "1:15:38", "text": "So that's also important." }, { "end_time": "1:15:40", "start_time": "1:15:39", "text": "This is also important." }, { "end_time": "1:15:50", "start_time": "1:15:40", "text": "So you suddenly realize that in a country like India, you're always going to have a solution which is a satisfying solution." }, { "end_time": "1:15:52", "start_time": "1:15:50", "text": "It is satisfactory and efficient." }, { "end_time": "1:15:55", "start_time": "1:15:53", "text": "It is never going to be super efficient." }, { "end_time": "1:15:59", "start_time": "1:15:55", "text": "On a scale of 1 to 10, you will never have a it's like designing a menu for a 100 people." }, { "end_time": "1:16:01", "start_time": "1:15:59", "text": "Nobody will be satisfied more than 60%." }, { "end_time": "1:16:13", "start_time": "1:16:06", "text": "So everyone will have a 6 out of 10 rating and that's the best thing you can do in a complex country and a complex problem." }, { "end_time": "1:16:26", "start_time": "1:16:13", "text": "So the ability to leverage national capacity is something that I think, India should really, really work at in an accelerated platform, And there are some very basic reasons for it." }, { "end_time": "1:16:33", "start_time": "1:16:26", "text": "The reasons for it is that when the like, I'm saying a very simple exam I'm simplifying this example, but I think it's to illustrate a point." }, { "end_time": "1:16:40", "start_time": "1:16:33", "text": "Let's say the civil services in 1990, decided that we need a 150 IAS officers because these are the portfolios." }, { "end_time": "1:16:47", "start_time": "1:16:41", "text": "1990, they could not visualize that you will need creative arts, you'll need Internet traffic monitoring, you need this, that." }, { "end_time": "1:16:52", "start_time": "1:16:47", "text": "And so there's no way to even envisage a vacancy that will be required." }, { "end_time": "1:16:58", "start_time": "1:16:52", "text": "Now if you have to position someone in that vacancy who needs that domain strength, you have to bring that person laterally." }, { "end_time": "1:17:02", "start_time": "1:16:58", "text": "Like, you cannot you cannot tell a person who's been a IAS officer." }, { "end_time": "1:17:03", "start_time": "1:17:02", "text": "He's a general leader." }, { "end_time": "1:17:08", "start_time": "1:17:03", "text": "He's a general officer, but he doesn't understand that particular domain or that particular technology." }, { "end_time": "1:17:16", "start_time": "1:17:08", "text": "So I think this intervening of national capacity is something that a country like India should really embark on as a program." }, { "end_time": "1:17:19", "start_time": "1:17:18", "text": "In every government, it has been attempted." }, { "end_time": "1:17:35", "start_time": "1:17:19", "text": "It has been attempted, and like many of such projects, it starts and then it has some success and then it, but I think this is an area that we that was one of the biggest learnings that we should do more of it." }, { "end_time": "1:17:41", "start_time": "1:17:35", "text": "We should get 1, we should do not only more of it, we should have a much, much better understanding of each other's lives." }, { "end_time": "1:17:49", "start_time": "1:17:42", "text": "And, you know, for I mean, I never had that notion in my head because I have worked with the government in my previous corporate avatars also." }, { "end_time": "1:18:01", "start_time": "1:17:50", "text": "I worked with MHA very closely earlier and, with but for all my friends who often comment that, you know, bureaucrats don't work." }, { "end_time": "1:18:06", "start_time": "1:18:03", "text": "It's such a sweeping inaccurate statement." }, { "end_time": "1:18:07", "start_time": "1:18:07", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:18:14", "start_time": "1:18:07", "text": "I still tell people about my first day in MHA when I joined, that time, mister Gopal Pillai was the home secretary." }, { "end_time": "1:18:21", "start_time": "1:18:15", "text": "And, so the 1st day I joined, I was filling out the papers, there's that, all of those things, and I was sitting in the waiting room." }, { "end_time": "1:18:26", "start_time": "1:18:22", "text": "And I sat there, and it was, like, 7 o'clock, then it was 7:30, then it was 8 o'clock." }, { "end_time": "1:18:27", "start_time": "1:18:26", "text": "I didn't know what to do." }, { "end_time": "1:18:28", "start_time": "1:18:27", "text": "It was my first day." }, { "end_time": "1:18:36", "start_time": "1:18:29", "text": "So I kind of asked the PS of the home secretary that any instructions from me or so he said, oh, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:18:37", "start_time": "1:18:36", "text": "You're sitting here." }, { "end_time": "1:18:38", "start_time": "1:18:37", "text": "I'll just check with the home secretary." }, { "end_time": "1:18:39", "start_time": "1:18:38", "text": "You must have called up to her." }, { "end_time": "1:18:41", "start_time": "1:18:39", "text": "Immediately, the home secretary called me inside." }, { "end_time": "1:18:42", "start_time": "1:18:41", "text": "I said, you're still here sitting here?" }, { "end_time": "1:18:45", "start_time": "1:18:42", "text": "I said, sir, well, I did not know what to do, so I was kind of sitting here." }, { "end_time": "1:18:45", "start_time": "1:18:45", "text": "He said, no." }, { "end_time": "1:18:45", "start_time": "1:18:45", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:18:45", "start_time": "1:18:45", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:18:46", "start_time": "1:18:45", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:18:48", "start_time": "1:18:46", "text": "You go and come back tomorrow morning, and then we'll start at all." }, { "end_time": "1:18:49", "start_time": "1:18:48", "text": "You could please go home and all." }, { "end_time": "1:18:51", "start_time": "1:18:50", "text": "So by that time, it was about 9 o'clock." }, { "end_time": "1:18:55", "start_time": "1:18:53", "text": "So I just asked him very casually." }, { "end_time": "1:18:58", "start_time": "1:18:55", "text": "I said, sir, is this the normal working time till 9 o'clock?" }, { "end_time": "1:18:59", "start_time": "1:18:58", "text": "He said, no." }, { "end_time": "1:18:59", "start_time": "1:18:59", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:18:59", "start_time": "1:18:59", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:18:59", "start_time": "1:18:59", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:19:00", "start_time": "1:18:59", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:19:01", "start_time": "1:19:00", "text": "Only when there is a crisis." }, { "end_time": "1:19:08", "start_time": "1:19:02", "text": "And then when I was going out of the room, he again called out, and he said, in the home ministry, every day is a crisis." }, { "end_time": "1:19:20", "start_time": "1:19:08", "text": "And that's when you realize that people who work under government constraints, they are actually it's like pushing a string." }, { "end_time": "1:19:22", "start_time": "1:19:20", "text": "It's not like pulling a string." }, { "end_time": "1:19:34", "start_time": "1:19:22", "text": "There's so many processes that have to be adhered to because it's public money, because there is compliance, because it's not a a a safety company that, you know, somebody can write off a loss, those kind of things." }, { "end_time": "1:19:42", "start_time": "1:19:34", "text": "So I think once you understand the constraints in which someone is working, you'll be far more appreciative of the progress that has been made in that space." }, { "end_time": "1:19:50", "start_time": "1:19:42", "text": "Of course, that doesn't absolve people in this field or that field or that field who are shirkers, who are corrupt." }, { "end_time": "1:19:57", "start_time": "1:19:50", "text": "I'm not talking about that, but I'm saying this understanding of each other's domains and understanding of each other, where they are coming from." }, { "end_time": "1:20:05", "start_time": "1:19:59", "text": "During my tenure in that grade, I may have had very adversarial relationship with 1 or 2 of my colleagues." }, { "end_time": "1:20:27", "start_time": "1:20:06", "text": "With one colleague, I remember very adversarial relationship, but what that man taught me about even the basics of something as rudimentary as vastu and what are the deep scientific principle behind it or his ability to grasp extraordinarily complex things in in a fraction of time, which sent a new benchmark for me in terms of learning." }, { "end_time": "1:20:31", "start_time": "1:20:28", "text": "These are all learnings that you take away from from different domains." }, { "end_time": "1:20:38", "start_time": "1:20:31", "text": "So I think my learning has been that if we have to solve complex problems national problems are very complex." }, { "end_time": "1:20:39", "start_time": "1:20:38", "text": "They are not one order of thinking." }, { "end_time": "1:20:41", "start_time": "1:20:39", "text": "There are 18 orders of thinking." }, { "end_time": "1:20:58", "start_time": "1:20:44", "text": "That requires intense collaboration from different stakeholders who cannot afford to be adversarial, because the the problem that we are trying to solve is much, much bigger than our adversarial environment." }, { "end_time": "1:21:08", "start_time": "1:20:59", "text": "So are you, okay explaining what the NAND grade is, but in words that can be understood by a 10 year old?" }, { "end_time": "1:21:11", "start_time": "1:21:08", "text": "So I can explain it to you, from public information." }, { "end_time": "1:21:14", "start_time": "1:21:11", "text": "Whatever is there in the public information, that, it's there on Wikipedia." }, { "end_time": "1:21:15", "start_time": "1:21:15", "text": "It'll tell you." }, { "end_time": "1:21:23", "start_time": "1:21:15", "text": "Think of, that, institution as a library catalog a library catalog." }, { "end_time": "1:21:34", "start_time": "1:21:24", "text": "So let's say you are a student of history and you want to, you want a book on you want knowledge on ancient history of India, and you go to this catalog." }, { "end_time": "1:21:37", "start_time": "1:21:34", "text": "So the librarian will first ask you, ancient history of India is too big." }, { "end_time": "1:21:38", "start_time": "1:21:37", "text": "Why don't you tell us?" }, { "end_time": "1:21:38", "start_time": "1:21:38", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:21:40", "start_time": "1:21:38", "text": "From the Gupta period to okay." }, { "end_time": "1:21:40", "start_time": "1:21:40", "text": "Fine." }, { "end_time": "1:21:43", "start_time": "1:21:40", "text": "Gupta period, there are 4 books that have been written on it." }, { "end_time": "1:21:49", "start_time": "1:21:43", "text": "1 is in the Bangalore library, 1 is in Mumbai University, 1 is in a private collection with somebody, and one is over here." }, { "end_time": "1:21:50", "start_time": "1:21:49", "text": "This is the gist of the content." }, { "end_time": "1:21:55", "start_time": "1:21:51", "text": "At your seniority, you are authorized to see only these things." }, { "end_time": "1:21:57", "start_time": "1:21:55", "text": "And if you want the book, the book is with them." }, { "end_time": "1:21:58", "start_time": "1:21:57", "text": "We'll make the connection happen." }, { "end_time": "1:22:12", "start_time": "1:21:58", "text": "So this is in a nutshell what, any information exchange system is supposed to do, which is supposed to redirect the information seeking query to the right place where it is." }, { "end_time": "1:22:24", "start_time": "1:22:12", "text": "And, of course, also in some cases, to fuse the data together, to take data from 2 or 3 areas and to make the sharing of data, I won't even call it intelligence, but data much easier." }, { "end_time": "1:22:31", "start_time": "1:22:24", "text": "So this is the charter of pretty much every fusion center in the world, not just the grid, every fusion center in the world." }, { "end_time": "1:22:39", "start_time": "1:22:31", "text": "This is the fundamental charter to help pick out a needle in a haystack of needles." }, { "end_time": "1:22:44", "start_time": "1:22:40", "text": "The purpose of it is to better what aspect of The national security." }, { "end_time": "1:22:45", "start_time": "1:22:44", "text": "National security." }, { "end_time": "1:22:47", "start_time": "1:22:45", "text": "And very specifically oriented towards counter terror." }, { "end_time": "1:22:50", "start_time": "1:22:47", "text": "At least, this was my knowledge 6 years ago." }, { "end_time": "1:22:55", "start_time": "1:22:50", "text": "And, of course, after 6 years, I have no knowledge of, and and institutions evolve." }, { "end_time": "1:22:56", "start_time": "1:22:55", "text": "They change." }, { "end_time": "1:22:57", "start_time": "1:22:56", "text": "They change their DNA." }, { "end_time": "1:22:59", "start_time": "1:22:57", "text": "They change their, motive mandates." }, { "end_time": "1:23:03", "start_time": "1:23:00", "text": "And I think, that's what it was meant for." }, { "end_time": "1:23:11", "start_time": "1:23:03", "text": "So, sir, from working with the government, I'm gonna ask you a very direct question to bring you back to the corporate side of things." }, { "end_time": "1:23:16", "start_time": "1:23:11", "text": "What did mister Mukesh Ambani see in you and think to himself that, okay, I need this person to do?" }, { "end_time": "1:23:18", "start_time": "1:23:16", "text": "That you have to ask mister Mukesh Ambani." }, { "end_time": "1:23:20", "start_time": "1:23:18", "text": "I I I have I cannot answer that question." }, { "end_time": "1:23:22", "start_time": "1:23:20", "text": "From your point of view, what is it?" }, { "end_time": "1:23:23", "start_time": "1:23:22", "text": "I have known Mukesh by for many years." }, { "end_time": "1:23:26", "start_time": "1:23:23", "text": "I have known him from the time when I used to work with Mahindra group." }, { "end_time": "1:23:30", "start_time": "1:23:26", "text": "I've always, admired, certain qualities in him." }, { "end_time": "1:23:49", "start_time": "1:23:30", "text": "And, when I left the government, as an individual, he's the kind of a person who, like Anand has, I think, he knows his mind when he he wants a certain kind of, talent to come in into the family." }, { "end_time": "1:23:52", "start_time": "1:23:49", "text": "What what what did you learn about him, like, after you met him?" }, { "end_time": "1:23:58", "start_time": "1:23:52", "text": "You know, like, what's the difference between your version of him before you met him versus Of course." }, { "end_time": "1:24:12", "start_time": "1:23:58", "text": "When you work with a leader closely, and and I don't pretend that I was, you know, part of his inner circle or anything of that sort, but the portfolio I held was sufficiently sensitive for me to be able to observe him from very closely." }, { "end_time": "1:24:21", "start_time": "1:24:12", "text": "And I think, I mean, not just him, but I would say his father because a lot of the things that you see in that empire are the foundations laid by the father." }, { "end_time": "1:24:25", "start_time": "1:24:22", "text": "And of course, he has taken it to another level altogether." }, { "end_time": "1:24:39", "start_time": "1:24:25", "text": "But I think if I were to pick one quality in him as a leader or as an individual, it's his incredible ability to envision things way, way ahead of, the rest of us." }, { "end_time": "1:24:41", "start_time": "1:24:40", "text": "I often quote this incident." }, { "end_time": "1:24:48", "start_time": "1:24:42", "text": "It's it's more of an internal incident, and I'd I'm quoting it here because I wrote it in my fable mail." }, { "end_time": "1:24:53", "start_time": "1:24:48", "text": "When I was leaving, I wrote this incident as one of my experiences that I've had with him." }, { "end_time": "1:25:08", "start_time": "1:24:56", "text": "So in the early days when I joined, at that point of time, we had, I I think Reliance as a corporate probably is the owner and custodians of the largest number of CCTV cameras in the corporate world, definitely." }, { "end_time": "1:25:19", "start_time": "1:25:09", "text": "I don't know how many millions we probably have because every store, every refinery, every location has pipelines, all of these things." }, { "end_time": "1:25:30", "start_time": "1:25:20", "text": "So this is that time when drones were, you know, starting to come in and there was talk of using drones for aerial surveillance and, you know, use a drone." }, { "end_time": "1:25:36", "start_time": "1:25:31", "text": "So you can do away with hundreds of cameras if you have 1 drone, which is know, sort of overseeing that." }, { "end_time": "1:25:46", "start_time": "1:25:36", "text": "So we had put together some plans, and I remember going to his office, to discuss that with him and, you know, I I was talking to him about the drones and all that." }, { "end_time": "1:25:57", "start_time": "1:25:46", "text": "As soon as I began telling him about drones and, you know, this is why we are doing it, to replace the cameras, blah blah blah, all of that, he he was he said 1 minute 1 minute, and he started rummaging in his desk somewhere." }, { "end_time": "1:26:00", "start_time": "1:25:57", "text": "And from below his shelf, he pulled out a sheet of paper." }, { "end_time": "1:26:08", "start_time": "1:26:00", "text": "And he named a person, doesn't really matter, but it's a person from Blackstone, one of these, financial companies." }, { "end_time": "1:26:14", "start_time": "1:26:09", "text": "And he said that, you know, he was here last week, and he said, the satellite, like, by a satellite." }, { "end_time": "1:26:19", "start_time": "1:26:15", "text": "Now coming from any other business leader, I would take that with a pinch of salt." }, { "end_time": "1:26:23", "start_time": "1:26:20", "text": "But from him, it's quite plausible." }, { "end_time": "1:26:33", "start_time": "1:26:24", "text": "So when I was thinking that I'm thinking at a macro view of instead of CCTV camera, I'm thinking of a drone, He's thinking of satellite." }, { "end_time": "1:26:50", "start_time": "1:26:34", "text": "And I think that distance very clearly I mean, this distance shows, that one unique trait he has, the ability to envision something which is, so huge and so large that the rest of us may not even think in in those lines." }, { "end_time": "1:27:10", "start_time": "1:26:50", "text": "And that I think is a remarkable trait, and I think every country needs a few of such leaders because it's these leaders who are able to pole vault and and, take I mean, the digital revolution in India today, every, person having access to at least content, you know, the content may be crap." }, { "end_time": "1:27:13", "start_time": "1:27:10", "text": "That's not his fault or anybody's fault." }, { "end_time": "1:27:15", "start_time": "1:27:13", "text": "And I'm sure the content will now fill in that space." }, { "end_time": "1:27:20", "start_time": "1:27:15", "text": "But access to content, I think, has been exceptional." }, { "end_time": "1:27:41", "start_time": "1:27:20", "text": "It it is it is it's something that, like I said, when history of India is written, this period when suddenly overnight everyone got access to, unfettered access to tons of content is, I think, it will be a huge contribution to to every Indian and every next generation." }, { "end_time": "1:27:42", "start_time": "1:27:41", "text": "I think that's huge." }, { "end_time": "1:27:45", "start_time": "1:27:42", "text": "Very important for all the YouTubers' lives also." }, { "end_time": "1:27:47", "start_time": "1:27:45", "text": "Not just YouTubers' lives, but, you know, I mean, I'm I'm fascinated." }, { "end_time": "1:27:49", "start_time": "1:27:47", "text": "You are one of the examples." }, { "end_time": "1:28:01", "start_time": "1:27:49", "text": "But, like, when I see some woman sitting somewhere in Bhopal and has 6,000,000 followers when she teaches how to, stitch a blouse, I'm just thinking of the relevance that woman must have had in her life, you know." }, { "end_time": "1:28:07", "start_time": "1:28:01", "text": "There's one skill of teaching how to stitch a blouse and suddenly, it's I'm not saying she became a celebrity, but she became relevant." }, { "end_time": "1:28:11", "start_time": "1:28:07", "text": "She she is now an entity, an identity on her own." }, { "end_time": "1:28:14", "start_time": "1:28:11", "text": "I mean, for you, perhaps, it's not that big a difference." }, { "end_time": "1:28:16", "start_time": "1:28:14", "text": "You you are born in the right place." }, { "end_time": "1:28:17", "start_time": "1:28:16", "text": "You are the right family." }, { "end_time": "1:28:22", "start_time": "1:28:17", "text": "Even if you did not have YouTube access or you were not a YouTuber, you still would have had relevance." }, { "end_time": "1:28:33", "start_time": "1:28:23", "text": "But the ability to take a person who is sitting in the back of beyond Kashmir and, or or some remote area in northeast from there is able to have connectivity." }, { "end_time": "1:28:45", "start_time": "1:28:33", "text": "Kashmir is a wrong example in current times, but in the northeast or in the remote areas and have the same amount of connectivity that a city kid has or similar to that extent." }, { "end_time": "1:28:46", "start_time": "1:28:45", "text": "I think that's a revolution." }, { "end_time": "1:28:48", "start_time": "1:28:46", "text": "People haven't really grasped it even now." }, { "end_time": "1:28:50", "start_time": "1:28:48", "text": "They think YouTube." }, { "end_time": "1:28:51", "start_time": "1:28:50", "text": "It's not YouTube." }, { "end_time": "1:28:58", "start_time": "1:28:51", "text": "You've got you've got access to resources which was only for a privileged few." }, { "end_time": "1:29:04", "start_time": "1:28:58", "text": "He has I think the right way to put it is he has mainstreamed the future." }, { "end_time": "1:29:04", "start_time": "1:29:04", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "1:29:05", "start_time": "1:29:04", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "1:29:06", "start_time": "1:29:05", "text": "He has actually mainstreamed the future." }, { "end_time": "1:29:09", "start_time": "1:29:06", "text": "He has made the future mainstream." }, { "end_time": "1:29:09", "start_time": "1:29:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:29:18", "start_time": "1:29:09", "text": "And I think that definitely is something which sets him apart from many other leaders I've worked with and seen also very closely." }, { "end_time": "1:29:19", "start_time": "1:29:18", "text": "What about the whole organization?" }, { "end_time": "1:29:30", "start_time": "1:29:19", "text": "I mean, if you've worked across corporates, what is, on on a very foundation and culture level, what has allowed Reliance to break out from the rest of the pack?" }, { "end_time": "1:29:40", "start_time": "1:29:31", "text": "Because I'm sure there's a lot of ambition amongst the rest of the pack as well, but there must be something culturally correct done here to allow that rocket launch." }, { "end_time": "1:29:48", "start_time": "1:29:44", "text": "Well, frankly, I don't think I'm qualified to comment on a question that big." }, { "end_time": "1:29:52", "start_time": "1:29:48", "text": "I think every company, every organization has their own culture." }, { "end_time": "1:29:53", "start_time": "1:29:52", "text": "They have their own DNA." }, { "end_time": "1:30:00", "start_time": "1:29:54", "text": "They have their own operating system, and they have their own way of operating within the larger operating system." }, { "end_time": "1:30:07", "start_time": "1:30:00", "text": "So these 4 or 5 parameters define every organization's path." }, { "end_time": "1:30:10", "start_time": "1:30:07", "text": "And of course, organization also, like human beings, have a lifetime." }, { "end_time": "1:30:13", "start_time": "1:30:11", "text": "Just like human beings, they are born." }, { "end_time": "1:30:16", "start_time": "1:30:13", "text": "Just like human beings, they have a young age." }, { "end_time": "1:30:18", "start_time": "1:30:16", "text": "Like human beings, they have adolescence, then they have maturity." }, { "end_time": "1:30:21", "start_time": "1:30:19", "text": "And unfortunately, like human beings, they do become old." }, { "end_time": "1:30:27", "start_time": "1:30:22", "text": "And when they become old, they do become, you know, arthritic and they also die." }, { "end_time": "1:30:51", "start_time": "1:30:29", "text": "I I won't take any particular example, but let's talk about the recent phenomenon that we have all seen that a company called Zoom comes out of nowhere and overtakes Skype, Faye WhatsApp, Face Pay FaceTime, Chase Time, Cisco, Webex, Google, Hangout, all of them, and overtakes them to become a $100,000,000,000 valuation." }, { "end_time": "1:30:52", "start_time": "1:30:51", "text": "Why does that happen?" }, { "end_time": "1:30:55", "start_time": "1:30:52", "text": "Doesn't Facebook know FaceTime?" }, { "end_time": "1:30:57", "start_time": "1:30:55", "text": "Doesn't WhatsApp know how to do video conferencing?" }, { "end_time": "1:31:02", "start_time": "1:30:58", "text": "Doesn't Webex, Cisco, which had the original telepresence, don't they know how to do that?" }, { "end_time": "1:31:04", "start_time": "1:31:02", "text": "But why were they not able to leverage?" }, { "end_time": "1:31:13", "start_time": "1:31:05", "text": "So it's also where the company is in its horizon in time, in terms of its agility, in terms of its flexibility, in terms of its size." }, { "end_time": "1:31:15", "start_time": "1:31:13", "text": "So many things come into play." }, { "end_time": "1:31:23", "start_time": "1:31:15", "text": "So to take any one aspect and say that this aspect is what made this company happen is a wrong thing to do because, a, it is inaccurate." }, { "end_time": "1:31:25", "start_time": "1:31:23", "text": "It's always a combination of factors." }, { "end_time": "1:31:31", "start_time": "1:31:25", "text": "B, just because company a did it, company b may not be able to do it because that is that company's core competence." }, { "end_time": "1:31:33", "start_time": "1:31:31", "text": "Company b may not have that core competence." }, { "end_time": "1:31:35", "start_time": "1:31:33", "text": "Their staffing may not be done in that way." }, { "end_time": "1:31:46", "start_time": "1:31:36", "text": "A a company if the culture of a company is having one centralized command and subservient leaders, then their staffing is done in that way." }, { "end_time": "1:31:50", "start_time": "1:31:46", "text": "The aspiration of their leaders is validation from that central source." }, { "end_time": "1:31:54", "start_time": "1:31:50", "text": "Whereas another company may have a requirement of having multiple leaders." }, { "end_time": "1:31:56", "start_time": "1:31:54", "text": "Let's take a company like, PepsiCo." }, { "end_time": "1:32:00", "start_time": "1:31:57", "text": "There are multiple brands and multiple franchises." }, { "end_time": "1:32:03", "start_time": "1:32:00", "text": "They need multiple independent leaders." }, { "end_time": "1:32:05", "start_time": "1:32:03", "text": "Their staffing will be done in a very different way." }, { "end_time": "1:32:12", "start_time": "1:32:05", "text": "There, the reward mechanism is not necessarily a pat on the back from the main person at top, but pat on the back from the market or whatever." }, { "end_time": "1:32:15", "start_time": "1:32:13", "text": "So it's unfair or incorrect diagnosis." }, { "end_time": "1:32:17", "start_time": "1:32:15", "text": "It's just like your physical health." }, { "end_time": "1:32:20", "start_time": "1:32:17", "text": "You can't prescribe the same diet to 2 different people Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:32:23", "start_time": "1:32:21", "text": "And say what works for a Olympic athlete." }, { "end_time": "1:32:26", "start_time": "1:32:23", "text": "An Olympic athlete consumes 8,000 calories a day." }, { "end_time": "1:32:28", "start_time": "1:32:26", "text": "You do that, you'll explode in 8 days." }, { "end_time": "1:32:32", "start_time": "1:32:28", "text": "So it's it's basically what works for a certain entity." }, { "end_time": "1:32:48", "start_time": "1:32:32", "text": "I think that group or Mahindra or Birla or Tata or any one of these groups have found that ideal combination which works for them, which works for their partners, which also works for the expectation of the stakeholders." }, { "end_time": "1:32:53", "start_time": "1:32:49", "text": "A stakeholder will expect certain things from a certain company or a certain brand." }, { "end_time": "1:32:57", "start_time": "1:32:54", "text": "They will not expect the same things from another company and another brand." }, { "end_time": "1:33:00", "start_time": "1:32:57", "text": "So the brand and the company are meeting the promise." }, { "end_time": "1:33:02", "start_time": "1:33:00", "text": "It doesn't mean they have to be exactly the same." }, { "end_time": "1:33:03", "start_time": "1:33:02", "text": "They will not be the same." }, { "end_time": "1:33:07", "start_time": "1:33:03", "text": "They'll be very different, but each one will find success in their own way." }, { "end_time": "1:33:11", "start_time": "1:33:07", "text": "But at its core, a company is a collection of people." }, { "end_time": "1:33:21", "start_time": "1:33:11", "text": "So one thing I've seen at least from the outside and I've been a part of, like, the Reliance group of people because my my schooling was at the Dhirubhai Mani International School." }, { "end_time": "1:33:24", "start_time": "1:33:21", "text": "So there is an element of that Reliance culture even in the school." }, { "end_time": "1:33:34", "start_time": "1:33:25", "text": "The way I look at it, I think it's very, person oriented as in, like, a lot of people are elevated to positions of, command." }, { "end_time": "1:33:36", "start_time": "1:33:34", "text": "And I also feel that there's a deep family culture." }, { "end_time": "1:33:40", "start_time": "1:33:36", "text": "And you also see that in things like mumanians where they keep retaining, like, the old guard." }, { "end_time": "1:33:44", "start_time": "1:33:40", "text": "So is it that they reward long term players within the organization?" }, { "end_time": "1:33:48", "start_time": "1:33:44", "text": "Is there some kind of cultural thing from a people leadership perspective?" }, { "end_time": "1:33:51", "start_time": "1:33:50", "text": "I'll answer this question in a different way." }, { "end_time": "1:33:52", "start_time": "1:33:51", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "1:34:10", "start_time": "1:33:55", "text": "Let's say you have a driver whose driving capability in a scale of 1 to 10 is 7, but his trustworthiness is in a scale of 1 to 10, 9." }, { "end_time": "1:34:23", "start_time": "1:34:13", "text": "Another driver you have whose driving skills in a scale of 1 to 10 is a 9, but trustworthiness in other than driving because he's just joined you is maybe 3 or 4." }, { "end_time": "1:34:25", "start_time": "1:34:24", "text": "You have 2 tasks." }, { "end_time": "1:34:34", "start_time": "1:34:25", "text": "One task is that you have to rush to the airport to catch a flight, and it's really, really critical that you have to catch the flight." }, { "end_time": "1:34:43", "start_time": "1:34:34", "text": "The other task is you need to send, 5 lakhs in cash to your friend in Mumbai or when Puna desperately needs it." }, { "end_time": "1:34:46", "start_time": "1:34:44", "text": "How are you gonna make the selections?" }, { "end_time": "1:34:47", "start_time": "1:34:46", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:34:54", "start_time": "1:34:47", "text": "Now to deliver the cash, you will take a person whose driving sales may be 7, but trustworthiness is 9." }, { "end_time": "1:34:57", "start_time": "1:34:54", "text": "So 7 into 9 is equal to 63." }, { "end_time": "1:34:58", "start_time": "1:34:57", "text": "63." }, { "end_time": "1:35:04", "start_time": "1:34:59", "text": "In the other case, the person's driving skill is 9, trustworthiness is 4." }, { "end_time": "1:35:06", "start_time": "1:35:04", "text": "4 into 9 is equal to 36." }, { "end_time": "1:35:10", "start_time": "1:35:06", "text": "So when it's a choice between 63 and 36, the choice is very clear." }, { "end_time": "1:35:12", "start_time": "1:35:11", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:35:30", "start_time": "1:35:12", "text": "So any leader would rather have a person who they trust, who they feel aligns with them, and is competent enough to do the job than to have competence which is very high, but alignment and trust may not be that high." }, { "end_time": "1:35:37", "start_time": "1:35:31", "text": "Now both for alignment and trust, time is a factor because there is no way I can come and tell you, say, sir, trust me." }, { "end_time": "1:35:39", "start_time": "1:35:37", "text": "I'm a very trustworthy person." }, { "end_time": "1:35:45", "start_time": "1:35:39", "text": "I have to be with you for a certain number of years before that trustworthiness you accept." }, { "end_time": "1:35:47", "start_time": "1:35:45", "text": "I may be still a trustworthy person." }, { "end_time": "1:35:54", "start_time": "1:35:47", "text": "I may be a 100% trustworthy, but for you to feel that comfort that, yes, I can trust, is a different ballgame." }, { "end_time": "1:36:08", "start_time": "1:35:54", "text": "And therefore, in certain organizations, whether it's Reliance or many other organizations, which are, much more family oriented, which are much more people oriented, And it's a very people oriented organization." }, { "end_time": "1:36:23", "start_time": "1:36:08", "text": "I think, the way they go out of the way if somebody falls ill, even during this COVID, I mean, they airlifted doctors from all over the world to make sure that every place had that kind of, you know, personal, you know, kind of, it's a very care for our people." }, { "end_time": "1:36:25", "start_time": "1:36:23", "text": "Care family." }, { "end_time": "1:36:27", "start_time": "1:36:26", "text": "We have to take care." }, { "end_time": "1:36:36", "start_time": "1:36:27", "text": "That, is a very different, from antiseptic MNC kind of, behavior where you are just, you know, c grade, pape grade 24." }, { "end_time": "1:36:37", "start_time": "1:36:37", "text": "That's it." }, { "end_time": "1:36:44", "start_time": "1:36:37", "text": "And maybe you have few colleagues, but you are never ever, there's no such thing as a family, you know, in in that sense." }, { "end_time": "1:36:47", "start_time": "1:36:44", "text": "Different DNS, different requirement, different kind of people." }, { "end_time": "1:36:50", "start_time": "1:36:48", "text": "One is not better than the other, just different." }, { "end_time": "1:36:54", "start_time": "1:36:50", "text": "It's it's like saying a Gujrati Thali and a Maharashtrian Thali, which is better." }, { "end_time": "1:36:55", "start_time": "1:36:54", "text": "There's no such thing as better." }, { "end_time": "1:36:55", "start_time": "1:36:55", "text": "They're just different." }, { "end_time": "1:36:58", "start_time": "1:36:56", "text": "They're completely different, and I think we have to understand that." }, { "end_time": "1:37:02", "start_time": "1:36:59", "text": "So that is definitely, one of their DNAs." }, { "end_time": "1:37:04", "start_time": "1:37:02", "text": "And at the end of the day, you always have to look at the outcome." }, { "end_time": "1:37:08", "start_time": "1:37:04", "text": "I think an organization's efficiency has to be measured by the outcome." }, { "end_time": "1:37:15", "start_time": "1:37:08", "text": "A company that is outperforming the market, a company that is growing year on year outcome, it does show that it is doing, the right thing." }, { "end_time": "1:37:19", "start_time": "1:37:15", "text": "Some things are being done right, and that is the way to look at it." }, { "end_time": "1:37:21", "start_time": "1:37:19", "text": "I got my answer." }, { "end_time": "1:37:30", "start_time": "1:37:21", "text": "So now that you answered all my corporate questions and all my story based questions, I gotta talk to you about life and, the future." }, { "end_time": "1:37:35", "start_time": "1:37:30", "text": "And this is coming from all the perspectives of your army tenure plus, your corporate tenure plus." }, { "end_time": "1:37:43", "start_time": "1:37:35", "text": "I feel you've always been at that stage where you've been a learner, and it's just become even more fierce for you, that process of learning as you've grown." }, { "end_time": "1:37:47", "start_time": "1:37:43", "text": "And I'm saying that from a place of knowing you behind the camera as well." }, { "end_time": "1:37:48", "start_time": "1:37:47", "text": "You're always reading and all that." }, { "end_time": "1:37:52", "start_time": "1:37:49", "text": "So, what do the next 20 years hold for you?" }, { "end_time": "1:37:57", "start_time": "1:37:52", "text": "And I know that you think of, like, the present more than you think of the future." }, { "end_time": "1:38:05", "start_time": "1:37:57", "text": "But still, if I had to ask you what would give you joy over the next 20 years, how would you answer that after having accumulated all this?" }, { "end_time": "1:38:08", "start_time": "1:38:05", "text": "I have to tell you, honestly, Ranvir, I wish I knew the answer to that question." }, { "end_time": "1:38:13", "start_time": "1:38:09", "text": "I genuinely wish I knew the answer to that question, and there are two reasons for it." }, { "end_time": "1:38:18", "start_time": "1:38:13", "text": "One reason is, my life has been this is not about my career and my my life." }, { "end_time": "1:38:20", "start_time": "1:38:18", "text": "I think I said it in the podcast also." }, { "end_time": "1:38:24", "start_time": "1:38:20", "text": "I don't think I've ever, you know, had this structured view of life and life." }, { "end_time": "1:38:26", "start_time": "1:38:24", "text": "If somebody were to ask me, how did this all happen?" }, { "end_time": "1:38:35", "start_time": "1:38:26", "text": "I'll say it was a lot of serendipity, a lot of being at the right place at the right time or or a lot of, I don't know, good karma by other people, whatever you wanna call it." }, { "end_time": "1:38:36", "start_time": "1:38:35", "text": "It's it's been there." }, { "end_time": "1:38:40", "start_time": "1:38:37", "text": "And into a certain extent, I believe this is my belief." }, { "end_time": "1:38:52", "start_time": "1:38:40", "text": "I'm not asking anyone else to believe it, but I believe that the check marks that a person should have, at least in the professional side, I have a sense that most of those check marks, I have done it." }, { "end_time": "1:38:54", "start_time": "1:38:52", "text": "I mean, to my satisfaction, I have done it." }, { "end_time": "1:38:54", "start_time": "1:38:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:39:04", "start_time": "1:38:54", "text": "I mean and, you know, for a lot of young men especially, I can't speak for women because I'm not a woman myself, but for a lot of young men, having those professional check marks becomes the game you create for yourself." }, { "end_time": "1:39:05", "start_time": "1:39:04", "text": "Of course, it is." }, { "end_time": "1:39:09", "start_time": "1:39:05", "text": "It's so this is that whole theory of an external scorecard versus an internal scorecard." }, { "end_time": "1:39:13", "start_time": "1:39:09", "text": "So an external scorecard is handed over to you when you're born." }, { "end_time": "1:39:15", "start_time": "1:39:13", "text": "Even for women, when you're born, I had external scorecard." }, { "end_time": "1:39:18", "start_time": "1:39:15", "text": "So you if you go to this school, it's good." }, { "end_time": "1:39:21", "start_time": "1:39:18", "text": "If you get science after 10th, it's good." }, { "end_time": "1:39:24", "start_time": "1:39:21", "text": "In science, if you get into a medical college or engineering college, it's good." }, { "end_time": "1:39:30", "start_time": "1:39:24", "text": "If you get selected by, the big four in your first this thing, in your first day of placement, it is good." }, { "end_time": "1:39:35", "start_time": "1:39:30", "text": "If you have given a dollar paid job in Hong Kong, it's better than being paid a rupee paid job in Pune." }, { "end_time": "1:39:36", "start_time": "1:39:35", "text": "That's good." }, { "end_time": "1:39:42", "start_time": "1:39:36", "text": "So you constantly are being told that this is good, and therefore, you should be happy." }, { "end_time": "1:39:47", "start_time": "1:39:42", "text": "And that's maybe true for an external scorecard, but at some point in time, you'll arrive at life." }, { "end_time": "1:39:55", "start_time": "1:39:47", "text": "At somewhere, you'll arrive and then and you can arrive at various stages also, where you'll realize that I don't really feel good just because I have this." }, { "end_time": "1:39:58", "start_time": "1:39:55", "text": "I mean, you are saying it's good, you are saying it's good, you are saying it's good." }, { "end_time": "1:40:07", "start_time": "1:39:58", "text": "It's like, you know, I had this story many, many years ago when I was a kid as a family outing, we had gone to a place in Karol Bagh." }, { "end_time": "1:40:10", "start_time": "1:40:07", "text": "And in Karol Bagh, there was a very famous kulfi shop." }, { "end_time": "1:40:15", "start_time": "1:40:10", "text": "So I don't know if you ever had that kulfi which is inside that metal, you know, with a stick in it." }, { "end_time": "1:40:21", "start_time": "1:40:15", "text": "A very famous shop, so people come there from so they everyone everyone's got a kulfi, and this is the first time I'm having a kulfi." }, { "end_time": "1:40:23", "start_time": "1:40:21", "text": "You know, I'm told that this is a delicacy and all of that." }, { "end_time": "1:40:29", "start_time": "1:40:23", "text": "Now what had happened is, as you're aware, this ice, they when they put the kulfi, they also put salt in the ice." }, { "end_time": "1:40:33", "start_time": "1:40:30", "text": "So in this particular thing, there was some seal issue." }, { "end_time": "1:40:35", "start_time": "1:40:33", "text": "The seal had broken and full of salt." }, { "end_time": "1:40:38", "start_time": "1:40:35", "text": "So when I was eating it, it was completely salty." }, { "end_time": "1:40:41", "start_time": "1:40:38", "text": "And I'm wondering, everyone else is saying this is very good, very good." }, { "end_time": "1:40:43", "start_time": "1:40:41", "text": "So finally, I told my mom, I don't want this." }, { "end_time": "1:40:43", "start_time": "1:40:43", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:40:45", "start_time": "1:40:43", "text": "But he's very he's very salty." }, { "end_time": "1:40:47", "start_time": "1:40:45", "text": "So she tasted it, and she told that man." }, { "end_time": "1:40:49", "start_time": "1:40:48", "text": "And that guy was astounded." }, { "end_time": "1:40:52", "start_time": "1:40:49", "text": "He was astounded that I ate, like, 70% of it." }, { "end_time": "1:40:53", "start_time": "1:40:52", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:40:56", "start_time": "1:40:53", "text": "And he asked I said, So I thought it was good." }, { "end_time": "1:41:01", "start_time": "1:40:57", "text": "In life, we often eat kulfis like that, you know, because others have told us it is good." }, { "end_time": "1:41:06", "start_time": "1:41:01", "text": "So we eat it, and then we say, it must be good if I am, you know, working for this, MNC." }, { "end_time": "1:41:08", "start_time": "1:41:06", "text": "I'm earning so many lakhs." }, { "end_time": "1:41:09", "start_time": "1:41:08", "text": "It must be good." }, { "end_time": "1:41:14", "start_time": "1:41:10", "text": "I'm not so sure that that scorecard you want to run with for the rest of your life." }, { "end_time": "1:41:18", "start_time": "1:41:14", "text": "Of course, you need to run with it for a certain point of time because you need the financial security." }, { "end_time": "1:41:21", "start_time": "1:41:18", "text": "You need to bring up your family, educate your kids, and all that." }, { "end_time": "1:41:41", "start_time": "1:41:21", "text": "But when you come to a point where this external scorecard is continuously driving you, I think you have to start asking those fundamental questions that is this the scorecard which is my scorecard or is a scorecard which has been given to me by my parents, by my colleagues, by my friends, by others?" }, { "end_time": "1:41:45", "start_time": "1:41:41", "text": "And if it is their scorecard, then am I living my 100% life?" }, { "end_time": "1:41:47", "start_time": "1:41:45", "text": "So it's a very interesting analogy." }, { "end_time": "1:41:56", "start_time": "1:41:47", "text": "Let's say a person who loves you most in the world for sake of argument, let's make it your mother, you know, so easier to imagine that or my mother or whatever." }, { "end_time": "1:42:01", "start_time": "1:41:57", "text": "Now even the person who loves you most in the world has only 20% of the mind share for you." }, { "end_time": "1:42:07", "start_time": "1:42:01", "text": "Because 20% she has to keep for your other siblings, 20% for her husband, 20% for her own knee problem." }, { "end_time": "1:42:08", "start_time": "1:42:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:42:09", "start_time": "1:42:08", "text": "I tried it well." }, { "end_time": "1:42:14", "start_time": "1:42:09", "text": "So the person who loves you the most in the world has only 20% of mind share for you." }, { "end_time": "1:42:17", "start_time": "1:42:14", "text": "Why the hell would you leave you a 100% of your life for that 20%?" }, { "end_time": "1:42:21", "start_time": "1:42:18", "text": "So I think somewhere people need to calibrate that scorecard." }, { "end_time": "1:42:23", "start_time": "1:42:21", "text": "And, again, I I don't think it's age." }, { "end_time": "1:42:32", "start_time": "1:42:24", "text": "I mean, I know young students, MBA students who got a very lucrative career ahead of them, but choosing to join NNGO and saying, you know what?" }, { "end_time": "1:42:34", "start_time": "1:42:32", "text": "I wanna work in NNGO because this is my scorecard." }, { "end_time": "1:42:35", "start_time": "1:42:34", "text": "I I find happiness there." }, { "end_time": "1:42:38", "start_time": "1:42:35", "text": "I see that a lot happening in in the in the current generation." }, { "end_time": "1:42:46", "start_time": "1:42:38", "text": "I don't think our generation or at least at that point of time, that financial strata had that luxury to say, you know, I'll do it." }, { "end_time": "1:42:52", "start_time": "1:42:46", "text": "It was very, very fixed that you had to start working by a certain period of time." }, { "end_time": "1:43:02", "start_time": "1:42:53", "text": "So I think this, understanding this difference between an external and internal scorecard is the first transition that I think I am going through right now." }, { "end_time": "1:43:08", "start_time": "1:43:02", "text": "And secondly, if I look back at my life, I always say that I have always had a posting order come to me." }, { "end_time": "1:43:09", "start_time": "1:43:08", "text": "You know, it's almost like the army." }, { "end_time": "1:43:15", "start_time": "1:43:09", "text": "One day, posting order will arrive in the mail and say you are now posted to so and so place, and that's the way my life has been." }, { "end_time": "1:43:22", "start_time": "1:43:15", "text": "So if somebody asked me in 1993, I would have never imagined that I would be out of the army." }, { "end_time": "1:43:30", "start_time": "1:43:22", "text": "If somebody asked me in 19 or maybe in 2006 or 7, I would have never imagined that I'd go back into the government." }, { "end_time": "1:43:34", "start_time": "1:43:30", "text": "If somebody asked me in 2013, I would have never imagined I would leave the government." }, { "end_time": "1:43:40", "start_time": "1:43:34", "text": "So I think these posting orders, life has a tendency to send them to you once in a while." }, { "end_time": "1:43:45", "start_time": "1:43:40", "text": "And, while you wait for the posting order, you wait in holding pattern." }, { "end_time": "1:43:58", "start_time": "1:43:45", "text": "And in holding pattern, you basically try and acquire skills and and, knowledge and even points of view which you may not have had earlier or may not have had the need to have earlier." }, { "end_time": "1:44:01", "start_time": "1:43:59", "text": "And, I guess that's where I am." }, { "end_time": "1:44:01", "start_time": "1:44:01", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:44:03", "start_time": "1:44:01", "text": "So I would I don't know." }, { "end_time": "1:44:13", "start_time": "1:44:03", "text": "I mean, I could I often joke about it that if you asked me where I was going to be 3 years from now and gave me 15 options, what would eventually happen would be 118." }, { "end_time": "1:44:15", "start_time": "1:44:14", "text": "So I have no idea." }, { "end_time": "1:44:16", "start_time": "1:44:16", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:44:22", "start_time": "1:44:16", "text": "So but like I said, that the the good part is to focus on your battle drills." }, { "end_time": "1:44:22", "start_time": "1:44:22", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:44:25", "start_time": "1:44:22", "text": "So it doesn't really matter then which battle you have to fight." }, { "end_time": "1:44:29", "start_time": "1:44:25", "text": "If your battle drills are good, then by and large, you'll you'll find your way out of that." }, { "end_time": "1:44:31", "start_time": "1:44:30", "text": "So I guess that's where it is." }, { "end_time": "1:44:31", "start_time": "1:44:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:44:33", "start_time": "1:44:31", "text": "20 years is a very long time." }, { "end_time": "1:44:34", "start_time": "1:44:33", "text": "You don't know what's gonna happen in 2 years." }, { "end_time": "1:44:35", "start_time": "1:44:34", "text": "Did you know COVID was gonna happen?" }, { "end_time": "1:44:36", "start_time": "1:44:35", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:44:36", "start_time": "1:44:36", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:44:36", "start_time": "1:44:36", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:44:38", "start_time": "1:44:37", "text": "20 years is a very, very long time." }, { "end_time": "1:44:43", "start_time": "1:44:38", "text": "I'd say that long term planning nowadays should be about 18 months to 2 years." }, { "end_time": "1:44:44", "start_time": "1:44:43", "text": "That should be long term planning." }, { "end_time": "1:44:44", "start_time": "1:44:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:44:53", "start_time": "1:44:44", "text": "Just just so that the viewers get some context on, this podcast, I just wanna add one story of mine, right here." }, { "end_time": "1:45:01", "start_time": "1:44:53", "text": "We actually 2 years back, we were thinking of stopping our English channel completely because it was becoming extremely difficult to balance a Hindi channel as well as an English channel." }, { "end_time": "1:45:07", "start_time": "1:45:01", "text": "And I sat down with my core team, like my original team, and I told them this is what I wanna do." }, { "end_time": "1:45:10", "start_time": "1:45:07", "text": "And I think I should go hammer and tongs on the mask game and not the class game." }, { "end_time": "1:45:13", "start_time": "1:45:10", "text": "They asked me what's the easiest form of content you can do." }, { "end_time": "1:45:16", "start_time": "1:45:13", "text": "I said I can call smart people and just talk to them." }, { "end_time": "1:45:17", "start_time": "1:45:16", "text": "And that was why the podcast started." }, { "end_time": "1:45:21", "start_time": "1:45:17", "text": "Like it was just that because it was extremely easy to do." }, { "end_time": "1:45:27", "start_time": "1:45:21", "text": "Now, 2, 1, 1 year in, 1 and a half years in, this is the fuel of my life." }, { "end_time": "1:45:29", "start_time": "1:45:27", "text": "And we started a Hindi podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:45:30", "start_time": "1:45:29", "text": "It's become the main source of content." }, { "end_time": "1:45:35", "start_time": "1:45:30", "text": "We're known as the number one podcast in the country and things like that, but just landed up here." }, { "end_time": "1:45:40", "start_time": "1:45:35", "text": "And, you know, the other aspect of things is I feel this whole year has gone in podcasting." }, { "end_time": "1:45:46", "start_time": "1:45:40", "text": "I actually survived, the COVID pandemic from a content perspective because we were podcasting." }, { "end_time": "1:45:49", "start_time": "1:45:46", "text": "Let's say I mean, whether it's COVID or any other, you know, constraint." }, { "end_time": "1:45:51", "start_time": "1:45:50", "text": "Constraint is what fuels the opportunity." }, { "end_time": "1:45:52", "start_time": "1:45:51", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:45:55", "start_time": "1:45:52", "text": "When the constraint comes around you, all all great technologies." }, { "end_time": "1:45:56", "start_time": "1:45:55", "text": "I mean, look at it this way." }, { "end_time": "1:46:11", "start_time": "1:45:56", "text": "India, we built our own supercomputer called Param because the US refused to give us gray supercomputers in the seventies because they said you will use it for alternate uses for military and nuclear and all that." }, { "end_time": "1:46:22", "start_time": "1:46:11", "text": "We bent on to become one of the leading missile development programs in the world, satellite launching and all of that, because the Russians refused to give us cryogenic technology." }, { "end_time": "1:46:26", "start_time": "1:46:23", "text": "We still haven't been able to make a good rifle because rifles we still buy." }, { "end_time": "1:46:33", "start_time": "1:46:26", "text": "So when you are denied something, you have to find a way out of it, and that is where ingenuity comes in, innovation comes in." }, { "end_time": "1:47:02", "start_time": "1:46:33", "text": "So anytime a constraint is placed, it always will spawn some completely new kind of a thinking, a new kind of a I think that way I mean, I'm not talking of course, it just brought a lot of misery and a lot of, heartbreak and a lot of sadness to a lot of people, but I think the pandemic itself has altered in many ways and opened up avenues for people to really look at, you know, how how to roll out their, plans for the future." }, { "end_time": "1:47:02", "start_time": "1:47:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:47:13", "start_time": "1:47:02", "text": "I think that's my definition of life at age 27 that as long as you keep trying, you keep learning, you keep gaining new perspectives, life kind of nudges you into the directions you're always meant to be in." }, { "end_time": "1:47:14", "start_time": "1:47:13", "text": "I think so too." }, { "end_time": "1:47:21", "start_time": "1:47:14", "text": "And, I mean, as Radhika mentioned in her talk also, I think eventually it all ties up together." }, { "end_time": "1:47:34", "start_time": "1:47:21", "text": "These bricks that are laid as obstacles, and in a way, these obstacles, opportunities, bricks and stones, and, opportunity that you were supposed to get was taken away from you and you were sent into some other place." }, { "end_time": "1:47:37", "start_time": "1:47:34", "text": "I think in the larger scheme of things, these all pieces fall together." }, { "end_time": "1:47:46", "start_time": "1:47:37", "text": "And maybe when you look back I mean, I have had this incident in my life and I remember there was a certain portfolio I was holding." }, { "end_time": "1:47:49", "start_time": "1:47:46", "text": "I don't want to name what it was during my corporate tenure." }, { "end_time": "1:47:59", "start_time": "1:47:50", "text": "And I was literally a lot of organizational politics and literally compelled out of that portfolio." }, { "end_time": "1:48:12", "start_time": "1:48:00", "text": "But because it was I was, you know, moved out of that portfolio is the reason why I did something else, is the reason why something else happened, and is the reason why I finally went on to raise the National Intelligence grid." }, { "end_time": "1:48:19", "start_time": "1:48:13", "text": "And I met that individual, many years later who actually caused this, you know." }, { "end_time": "1:48:22", "start_time": "1:48:19", "text": "I'm a much older person and all, and I went to thank him." }, { "end_time": "1:48:23", "start_time": "1:48:22", "text": "And I genuinely went to thank him." }, { "end_time": "1:48:29", "start_time": "1:48:23", "text": "I genuinely thanked him that if you're not I'm actually thanking you." }, { "end_time": "1:48:30", "start_time": "1:48:29", "text": "You're not getting it." }, { "end_time": "1:48:43", "start_time": "1:48:30", "text": "So I think these instances, these these things that come into your life, they they create you for an opportunity or for the ability to deliver, opportunity which life will present to you." }, { "end_time": "1:48:47", "start_time": "1:48:44", "text": "It's actually very easy to look at it in the hindsight." }, { "end_time": "1:49:01", "start_time": "1:48:48", "text": "It's very easy to look in the hindsight and say, you know, that difficulty which I had, that tragedy which I had, that opportunity that I was overlooked for, that thing that I missed is the reason why I am in this place today." }, { "end_time": "1:49:02", "start_time": "1:49:01", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:49:19", "start_time": "1:49:03", "text": "The problem is when you're going through it now, the ability to tell yourself now that now what I'm going through, it may be bad, it may be sadness, it may be depression, it may be mental health issues, it could be anything, it is for the good." }, { "end_time": "1:49:23", "start_time": "1:49:19", "text": "I mean, it's a cliched sentence that everything happens for the best, but it is true." }, { "end_time": "1:49:29", "start_time": "1:49:24", "text": "Now the trick is the ability to recognize it while you're going through the bad stuff and having that resolved." }, { "end_time": "1:49:31", "start_time": "1:49:29", "text": "It is happening for a reason." }, { "end_time": "1:49:33", "start_time": "1:49:31", "text": "It'll happen for a few more weeks, for a few more months, and all." }, { "end_time": "1:49:39", "start_time": "1:49:33", "text": "When it ends, it will be a very necessary part of my ability to do something in the future." }, { "end_time": "1:49:45", "start_time": "1:49:39", "text": "If I had not gone through this trauma, this sadness or whatever, I would not have been able to do this." }, { "end_time": "1:49:46", "start_time": "1:49:45", "text": "I mean, I've heard this." }, { "end_time": "1:49:48", "start_time": "1:49:46", "text": "I'm sure you have heard it from several people." }, { "end_time": "1:50:00", "start_time": "1:49:48", "text": "I've heard it from a very close friend of mine who is blind, who now lost his eyesight, and he says that losing my eyesight was what enabled me to see the world in a different way." }, { "end_time": "1:50:09", "start_time": "1:50:00", "text": "I can't even imagine a person who has become who's lost one of the most important senses being able to say that, but he's actually covered that journey, and he's able to say that." }, { "end_time": "1:50:12", "start_time": "1:50:09", "text": "So I think in hindsight, it's easy." }, { "end_time": "1:50:20", "start_time": "1:50:12", "text": "When I look back at my or you look back in your 27 years of some failure you had, some heartbreak you had, and you say it was good I had it because of that, I have this now." }, { "end_time": "1:50:23", "start_time": "1:50:20", "text": "It is if you were to go through it today, how do you deal with it?" }, { "end_time": "1:50:26", "start_time": "1:50:23", "text": "Are you able to say, that is really the challenge." }, { "end_time": "1:50:33", "start_time": "1:50:26", "text": "And it's nice to say that in a podcast, but if I were to break a leg outside, it'll be very difficult for me to convince my no, it's happening for the best." }, { "end_time": "1:50:35", "start_time": "1:50:33", "text": "Because during that time, you're hurting." }, { "end_time": "1:50:40", "start_time": "1:50:35", "text": "And when you're hurting, it's very difficult to have a perspective which is 2 years ahead." }, { "end_time": "1:50:41", "start_time": "1:50:40", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "1:50:41", "start_time": "1:50:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:50:45", "start_time": "1:50:41", "text": "Because you're hurting right now, and you want this pain to stop now." }, { "end_time": "1:50:54", "start_time": "1:50:45", "text": "And you are you are unwilling to be seduced by any temptation of what this pain will bring to you as a gain 2 years from now." }, { "end_time": "1:50:56", "start_time": "1:50:54", "text": "But that is the cycle of life." }, { "end_time": "1:51:02", "start_time": "1:50:56", "text": "I think we all have a a a certain amount of bad luck and good luck written, and and that bad luck has to play out." }, { "end_time": "1:51:04", "start_time": "1:51:02", "text": "It has to you can't avoid it." }, { "end_time": "1:51:06", "start_time": "1:51:04", "text": "It's just it's gonna be there." }, { "end_time": "1:51:15", "start_time": "1:51:06", "text": "So in the final question of this podcast is not exactly about the pandemic, but sort of a pandemic that I feel an entire generation is dealing with." }, { "end_time": "1:51:17", "start_time": "1:51:15", "text": "It's called mental health issues." }, { "end_time": "1:51:21", "start_time": "1:51:17", "text": "I primarily feel it's because of social media and hyper connectivity." }, { "end_time": "1:51:25", "start_time": "1:51:21", "text": "I don't know whether we spoke about it in this episode or the Hindi podcast, but we've spoken about this that Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:51:26", "start_time": "1:51:25", "text": "Too connected." }, { "end_time": "1:51:35", "start_time": "1:51:26", "text": "There's an overload of information, which has probably increased the number of mental health issues especially when you compare it to, say, 30 years ago, 40 years ago." }, { "end_time": "1:51:38", "start_time": "1:51:35", "text": "So, have you seen this from your leadership positions in corporate?" }, { "end_time": "1:51:44", "start_time": "1:51:38", "text": "I I think it's it's gonna be one of the biggest problems that, not corporate India, but India will face." }, { "end_time": "1:51:53", "start_time": "1:51:44", "text": "And I'll tell you the reason why I think India will face because as we are aware, India's bulk of the population is very young and it's going to be young for some time." }, { "end_time": "1:52:01", "start_time": "1:51:54", "text": "Matter of fact, I think firstly, we have to understand this mental health is a wrong phrase because mental health is a mother all catch all phrase." }, { "end_time": "1:52:03", "start_time": "1:52:01", "text": "I don't think that's the right phrase to use." }, { "end_time": "1:52:06", "start_time": "1:52:03", "text": "The right phrase is a psychologically unsafe environment." }, { "end_time": "1:52:06", "start_time": "1:52:06", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:52:14", "start_time": "1:52:07", "text": "I think the environment that the youth and the younger kids are growing in today and even adults to a certain extent is psychologically very unsafe." }, { "end_time": "1:52:15", "start_time": "1:52:14", "text": "I'll explain what that means." }, { "end_time": "1:52:21", "start_time": "1:52:17", "text": "A psychologically safe environment is one in which you feel you can speak your mind." }, { "end_time": "1:52:25", "start_time": "1:52:21", "text": "You feel that if you say something, no one will get hurt, no one will get upset." }, { "end_time": "1:52:33", "start_time": "1:52:26", "text": "And that's the environment that you need in organizations where you need creativity and innovation and new ideas bursting." }, { "end_time": "1:52:38", "start_time": "1:52:33", "text": "You you cannot have a punitive environment that if you say something wrong, you'll be penalized." }, { "end_time": "1:52:39", "start_time": "1:52:38", "text": "If you do something wrong, you'll be penalized." }, { "end_time": "1:52:52", "start_time": "1:52:41", "text": "Ironically, contrary to your belief, this psychologically unsafe state is happening because of losing connections, not because of increased connections." }, { "end_time": "1:52:53", "start_time": "1:52:52", "text": "It's true." }, { "end_time": "1:52:57", "start_time": "1:52:53", "text": "We have many, many Facebook and YouTube and Twitter followers." }, { "end_time": "1:52:59", "start_time": "1:52:57", "text": "I think you have a few million or whatever." }, { "end_time": "1:53:02", "start_time": "1:52:59", "text": "But how many of them are really friends of yours?" }, { "end_time": "1:53:03", "start_time": "1:53:02", "text": "They're not really friends." }, { "end_time": "1:53:04", "start_time": "1:53:04", "text": "They're not friends." }, { "end_time": "1:53:05", "start_time": "1:53:04", "text": "Friends, maybe you'll be lucky." }, { "end_time": "1:53:09", "start_time": "1:53:05", "text": "Any person will be lucky if he has got 5 friends who are really good friends." }, { "end_time": "1:53:19", "start_time": "1:53:09", "text": "But what happens is subliminally, if a person were to lose 2,000 friends, it's almost a subliminal loss that 2,000 people don't like me anymore." }, { "end_time": "1:53:20", "start_time": "1:53:19", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:53:22", "start_time": "1:53:21", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:53:26", "start_time": "1:53:22", "text": "Like, whether you're good looking or not good looking is being told by a website." }, { "end_time": "1:53:28", "start_time": "1:53:27", "text": "It's being told by an advertisement." }, { "end_time": "1:53:30", "start_time": "1:53:28", "text": "Do you have a beach ready body?" }, { "end_time": "1:53:31", "start_time": "1:53:30", "text": "Do you have a tan?" }, { "end_time": "1:53:33", "start_time": "1:53:31", "text": "Do you have chiseled features?" }, { "end_time": "1:53:35", "start_time": "1:53:33", "text": "Do you have, you know, a a sharp nose?" }, { "end_time": "1:53:41", "start_time": "1:53:35", "text": "These are subliminal messages which are being fed into people's head." }, { "end_time": "1:53:42", "start_time": "1:53:41", "text": "Have you seen the social dilemma?" }, { "end_time": "1:53:46", "start_time": "1:53:43", "text": "I have seen it, and I I think it is constant, but this is nothing new." }, { "end_time": "1:53:48", "start_time": "1:53:46", "text": "I mean, it used to happen in advertising even earlier." }, { "end_time": "1:53:52", "start_time": "1:53:48", "text": "But what is happening is that constantly people are being told you're not good enough." }, { "end_time": "1:53:53", "start_time": "1:53:52", "text": "You're not good." }, { "end_time": "1:53:54", "start_time": "1:53:53", "text": "You're not good enough." }, { "end_time": "1:53:54", "start_time": "1:53:54", "text": "You're bad." }, { "end_time": "1:53:56", "start_time": "1:53:54", "text": "You're not you're not good." }, { "end_time": "1:54:00", "start_time": "1:53:56", "text": "Now if you, I mean, give a dog a bad name, the dog will turn into a bad dog." }, { "end_time": "1:54:15", "start_time": "1:54:00", "text": "So constantly, if an individual is getting that you're not enough, you're not doing enough, you're not doing enough, you're not doing enough, it'll start actually subliminally making that person feel guilty, make that person feel underconfident, and make that person unhappy." }, { "end_time": "1:54:23", "start_time": "1:54:15", "text": "Because if somebody tells you you are good looking, you feel happy, and somebody tells you you're not good looking, you feel unhappy." }, { "end_time": "1:54:25", "start_time": "1:54:23", "text": "Your looks have not changed at all." }, { "end_time": "1:54:26", "start_time": "1:54:25", "text": "Nothing has changed in your looks." }, { "end_time": "1:54:27", "start_time": "1:54:26", "text": "Your looks are exactly the same." }, { "end_time": "1:54:33", "start_time": "1:54:28", "text": "It is how many people say you are good looking versus how many people you can do nothing about it." }, { "end_time": "1:54:35", "start_time": "1:54:33", "text": "It is what people's opinion is about you." }, { "end_time": "1:54:42", "start_time": "1:54:36", "text": "Now I think we should care about people, but we should not care what people think about us." }, { "end_time": "1:54:49", "start_time": "1:54:42", "text": "But unfortunately, in today's world, we don't care about people, but we care more about what they think about us." }, { "end_time": "1:54:50", "start_time": "1:54:49", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:54:52", "start_time": "1:54:50", "text": "And they don't think very much about us anyway." }, { "end_time": "1:54:55", "start_time": "1:54:52", "text": "But in our belief, we are thinking that they think about us." }, { "end_time": "1:54:57", "start_time": "1:54:55", "text": "They think about us all the time." }, { "end_time": "1:54:58", "start_time": "1:54:57", "text": "It happens." }, { "end_time": "1:54:59", "start_time": "1:54:58", "text": "It happens to all of us." }, { "end_time": "1:55:02", "start_time": "1:54:59", "text": "You know, you get a 1,000 likes and 23 dislikes." }, { "end_time": "1:55:03", "start_time": "1:55:02", "text": "You'll go and see a dislike." }, { "end_time": "1:55:05", "start_time": "1:55:04", "text": "Who is the one?" }, { "end_time": "1:55:13", "start_time": "1:55:05", "text": "So you won't look at a 1,000 who have liked you, the 23 who may have disliked you for I I mean, you may have reminded him of some class bully." }, { "end_time": "1:55:14", "start_time": "1:55:13", "text": "It could be any reason." }, { "end_time": "1:55:16", "start_time": "1:55:14", "text": "It's called a negative bias cycle." }, { "end_time": "1:55:16", "start_time": "1:55:16", "text": "Negative bias." }, { "end_time": "1:55:34", "start_time": "1:55:16", "text": "So the moment you get into that so I think this generation of the the the like I said, I don't wanna use the word mental health, but I think the importance of creating a psychologically safe environment at home, in schools, in workplaces, and in common grounds, common meeting grounds." }, { "end_time": "1:55:44", "start_time": "1:55:34", "text": "If we don't address this, I don't know if you're aware that the mental health ailments are 37% Indians are affected by it." }, { "end_time": "1:55:46", "start_time": "1:55:44", "text": "Physical ailments, only 17%." }, { "end_time": "1:55:50", "start_time": "1:55:46", "text": "So it's double of, physical health, and physical health is very tangible." }, { "end_time": "1:55:55", "start_time": "1:55:50", "text": "If you break a leg, people will be kind towards you because, oh, you've got a broken leg." }, { "end_time": "1:55:56", "start_time": "1:55:55", "text": "Come come, you sit over here." }, { "end_time": "1:55:59", "start_time": "1:55:56", "text": "But if you have a mental health problem, people are not kind towards you." }, { "end_time": "1:56:01", "start_time": "1:55:59", "text": "They are unkind towards you." }, { "end_time": "1:56:01", "start_time": "1:56:01", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:56:02", "start_time": "1:56:02", "text": "It is true." }, { "end_time": "1:56:04", "start_time": "1:56:02", "text": "They're unkind towards you." }, { "end_time": "1:56:11", "start_time": "1:56:04", "text": "So, basically, I think this is gonna become one of the biggest challenges which if we don't address now, and COVID is only gonna exacerbate it." }, { "end_time": "1:56:30", "start_time": "1:56:11", "text": "And I I one message that I really wanna share, I think even for a lot of corporates, you know, when they ask me that how can we improve our efficiencies and how can we do our, you know, this platform and that transition and this transformation, I must be at least intervening on 6 or 7 transformations in organization, multi crore transformations." }, { "end_time": "1:56:40", "start_time": "1:56:31", "text": "And I'm reminded of a, you know, physics, tuition master we had who sometimes to pull his leg, physics chemistry, to teach us about to pull his leg." }, { "end_time": "1:56:45", "start_time": "1:56:40", "text": "We used to, you know, tell him that, why don't we learn alchemy so that we can turn lead into gold?" }, { "end_time": "1:56:49", "start_time": "1:56:45", "text": "And he would laugh at us, and we knew we were trying to pull his leg." }, { "end_time": "1:56:54", "start_time": "1:56:49", "text": "And he would tell us that, do you know this light bulb, these old light bulbs that we used to have?" }, { "end_time": "1:57:03", "start_time": "1:56:54", "text": "He said 80% of the energy that is fed into the light bulb, it goes into heat, and only 20% converts into light, actually less than that." }, { "end_time": "1:57:10", "start_time": "1:57:03", "text": "And since if you just make that 20%, 40%, you would make a revolution in scientific world, which is true." }, { "end_time": "1:57:11", "start_time": "1:57:10", "text": "Now LED lights do that." }, { "end_time": "1:57:31", "start_time": "1:57:11", "text": "Now similarly, in an organization which is going with platform revolution, transition, and this and that, Did you know that in a Gallup survey as late as 2015, they found that in an organizing typical MNC, large corporate or large organizations, less than 20% of the employees are actively engaged." }, { "end_time": "1:57:36", "start_time": "1:57:32", "text": "60% are waiting for the chartered bus time to, you know, looking at the clock." }, { "end_time": "1:57:43", "start_time": "1:57:37", "text": "20% are actually sabotaging the company because they hate that or they dislike or whatever." }, { "end_time": "1:57:52", "start_time": "1:57:44", "text": "So if this 20% engaged can just be made into 40%, that organization will have an exponential growth of 100%." }, { "end_time": "1:57:54", "start_time": "1:57:53", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:58:00", "start_time": "1:57:54", "text": "So this area, if corporate start recognizing that mental health is a direct correlation with engagement." }, { "end_time": "1:58:08", "start_time": "1:58:01", "text": "So rather than optimizing workforce, which I am asked to do many, many times, companies come to me and say, can you optimize my workforce?" }, { "end_time": "1:58:18", "start_time": "1:58:08", "text": "I think with optimization, what they have in mind I think it's the wrong way to look at it." }, { "end_time": "1:58:25", "start_time": "1:58:18", "text": "The right way to look at it is how may we engage those 12 people so fully that their work output is of 24 people." }, { "end_time": "1:58:27", "start_time": "1:58:25", "text": "Happiness level is of 24 people." }, { "end_time": "1:58:33", "start_time": "1:58:27", "text": "That, to my mind, is an area that, is gonna be a really interesting, space, to work in." }, { "end_time": "1:58:50", "start_time": "1:58:33", "text": "And I I would actually urge a lot of leaders now, rather than studying management theories, which are based 20, 30 years ago, All our management theories are based on the assembly line, the quotas, the bell curve, which is 20, 30 years ago." }, { "end_time": "1:58:54", "start_time": "1:58:51", "text": "I think they should be studying psychology now." }, { "end_time": "1:58:54", "start_time": "1:58:54", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "1:58:55", "start_time": "1:58:54", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:59:09", "start_time": "1:58:55", "text": "Now I'm sure in school, you have answered this question in some exam, usually maths exam, that if 8 people can dig a 14 feet hole in 10 days, then how many people will it take to dig it in 4 days?" }, { "end_time": "1:59:12", "start_time": "1:59:09", "text": "The correct answer to that is depends on the people." }, { "end_time": "1:59:14", "start_time": "1:59:12", "text": "Totally depends on the people and their state of mind." }, { "end_time": "1:59:16", "start_time": "1:59:14", "text": "It's got nothing to do with 18, 12, 14." }, { "end_time": "1:59:17", "start_time": "1:59:16", "text": "And the leader." }, { "end_time": "1:59:17", "start_time": "1:59:17", "text": "And the leader." }, { "end_time": "1:59:18", "start_time": "1:59:17", "text": "Of course, the people." }, { "end_time": "1:59:23", "start_time": "1:59:18", "text": "And the leader leader actually transforms the state of mind to positive or to negative, both ways." }, { "end_time": "1:59:30", "start_time": "1:59:23", "text": "So I think that answer is the answer that we need the youth to start understanding now that people are not automotons." }, { "end_time": "1:59:32", "start_time": "1:59:30", "text": "They are not mechanical units." }, { "end_time": "1:59:34", "start_time": "1:59:33", "text": "They are not even people." }, { "end_time": "1:59:42", "start_time": "1:59:34", "text": "They are brothers, sisters, cousins, somebody's son, someone's daughter, someone's happy daughter on a good day, someone's sad daughter on another day." }, { "end_time": "1:59:45", "start_time": "1:59:43", "text": "That's the dynamic we are working with." }, { "end_time": "2:00:04", "start_time": "1:59:45", "text": "And I think this area we really need to bring to focus because, one thing I have you asked me what I'm good at, and and this is somewhat of a track record that I'm kind of I have usually had the ability to see a major threat coming well before it came." }, { "end_time": "2:00:10", "start_time": "2:00:05", "text": "When Mahindra Sajid was formed at that point of time, information security was not even the radar of banks." }, { "end_time": "2:00:12", "start_time": "2:00:10", "text": "Even banks did not realize it." }, { "end_time": "2:00:21", "start_time": "2:00:12", "text": "I remember many, many years ago, once I was talking to this Vicky and CII and all these leaders, Anand was there in that meeting, and I said these naksels are going to become a huge problem." }, { "end_time": "2:00:24", "start_time": "2:00:21", "text": "I was like, yeah, naksels, they are in the back of beyond." }, { "end_time": "2:00:40", "start_time": "2:00:26", "text": "I think our biggest threat that we are looking at, which will form the bedrock of all threats, because if you have a mentally unstable environment, it's very easy to cause any form of instability in it." }, { "end_time": "2:00:46", "start_time": "2:00:41", "text": "When suicide straight start going up, suicide bombers can also go up." }, { "end_time": "2:00:51", "start_time": "2:00:47", "text": "Because if the guy is going to commit suicide, why not commit suicide while blowing himself up?" }, { "end_time": "2:01:03", "start_time": "2:00:51", "text": "So I think we need to really be aware that this is one area where I think not just corporate India, India should really be looking at And post the pandemic, it has exacerbated to a huge degree." }, { "end_time": "2:01:11", "start_time": "2:01:06", "text": "As a country, as medical institutions, there is not enough attention on it." }, { "end_time": "2:01:13", "start_time": "2:01:11", "text": "More importantly in India, there is a stigma attached to it." }, { "end_time": "2:01:28", "start_time": "2:01:13", "text": "So the moment you fascinatingly, I was talking to a very, very, senior therapist who told me this, that every individual every individual from the age of 1 to 70 will have some mental health issue at least 2 or 3 times." }, { "end_time": "2:01:30", "start_time": "2:01:28", "text": "It's like viral fever." }, { "end_time": "2:01:31", "start_time": "2:01:30", "text": "Everyone gets it." }, { "end_time": "2:01:32", "start_time": "2:01:31", "text": "Many people get it, get out of it." }, { "end_time": "2:01:35", "start_time": "2:01:32", "text": "Many people are not able to get out of it." }, { "end_time": "2:01:39", "start_time": "2:01:35", "text": "That's the way it should be treated and not as some, you know, Pagaloga type of that stigma." }, { "end_time": "2:01:46", "start_time": "2:01:39", "text": "And I think, this is the right time for, a lot of us to start thinking about it for two reasons." }, { "end_time": "2:01:47", "start_time": "2:01:46", "text": "1, it is a big problem." }, { "end_time": "2:01:49", "start_time": "2:01:47", "text": "And second, it's been mainstreamed." }, { "end_time": "2:01:50", "start_time": "2:01:49", "text": "There's no stigma." }, { "end_time": "2:01:54", "start_time": "2:01:50", "text": "You know, a lot of organizations are talking about mental health post COVID and all of that." }, { "end_time": "2:02:08", "start_time": "2:01:54", "text": "I think this is one area which I would urge the youth, especially 1 in 7 Indians, is suffering from some form of mental health, which means 1 out of the 7 people you know, maybe even including you, is suffering from it." }, { "end_time": "2:02:10", "start_time": "2:02:08", "text": "The remaining 6 have to watch out for that one." }, { "end_time": "2:02:13", "start_time": "2:02:11", "text": "That's the only way because it could be you." }, { "end_time": "2:02:15", "start_time": "2:02:13", "text": "Like I said, it's it's it's not one person." }, { "end_time": "2:02:16", "start_time": "2:02:15", "text": "It could be any one of us." }, { "end_time": "2:02:22", "start_time": "2:02:16", "text": "So I think that's one area which I really see as a challenge of your generation." }, { "end_time": "2:02:29", "start_time": "2:02:23", "text": "It is a challenge of your gen your your generation is in a very, very psychologically say unsafe environment." }, { "end_time": "2:02:30", "start_time": "2:02:29", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "2:02:35", "start_time": "2:02:30", "text": "I, when I was growing up, was encouraged by my parents to read the newspaper every day." }, { "end_time": "2:02:39", "start_time": "2:02:35", "text": "I doubt whether Shardul will encourage his daughter to read the newspaper these days." }, { "end_time": "2:02:40", "start_time": "2:02:40", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "2:02:44", "start_time": "2:02:40", "text": "So imagine the psychological and safety that has happened Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:02:49", "start_time": "2:02:44", "text": "In in a matter of and that's that's one of the key areas that your generation will have to deal with." }, { "end_time": "2:02:53", "start_time": "2:02:49", "text": "Maybe one step in combating this problem is sharing the Ranveesho." }, { "end_time": "2:02:53", "start_time": "2:02:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:03:00", "start_time": "2:02:53", "text": "Which is, it's positive content that's trying to change the world and make it a happier, more positive place, captain Laguru." }, { "end_time": "2:03:01", "start_time": "2:03:00", "text": "I will do that." }, { "end_time": "2:03:03", "start_time": "2:03:01", "text": "I'll share your show for sure." }, { "end_time": "2:03:03", "start_time": "2:03:03", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "2:03:06", "start_time": "2:03:03", "text": "Thank you so much for being all Great speaking with you." }, { "end_time": "2:03:08", "start_time": "2:03:06", "text": "Episode 3 of this journey." }, { "end_time": "2:03:11", "start_time": "2:03:08", "text": "Again, lots more content to be created with you over the years." }, { "end_time": "2:03:12", "start_time": "2:03:11", "text": "We'll do that." }, { "end_time": "2:03:14", "start_time": "2:03:12", "text": "But, really appreciate all the knowledge, sir." }, { "end_time": "2:03:14", "start_time": "2:03:14", "text": "Thanks, sir." }, { "end_time": "2:03:19", "start_time": "2:03:15", "text": "You know what you said about you getting knowledge from Deepak Jain?" }, { "end_time": "2:03:19", "start_time": "2:03:19", "text": "Uh-huh." }, { "end_time": "2:03:22", "start_time": "2:03:20", "text": "I feel that a lot with Well, I get a lot of stuff from you." }, { "end_time": "2:03:30", "start_time": "2:03:23", "text": "I found out about 2 shows and you told me about, you know, entire say it's it's it's if you become a sponge, knowledge will come from everywhere." }, { "end_time": "2:03:31", "start_time": "2:03:30", "text": "You don't have to look." }, { "end_time": "2:03:33", "start_time": "2:03:32", "text": "It's all all around us." }, { "end_time": "2:03:33", "start_time": "2:03:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:03:38", "start_time": "2:03:33", "text": "That's a big blessing on my life to be able to do these podcasts and call it my source of living and my purpose." }, { "end_time": "2:03:40", "start_time": "2:03:39", "text": "That I've just set gain knowledge from you." }, { "end_time": "2:03:43", "start_time": "2:03:40", "text": "You think the only guy who gets paid for getting educated there?" }, { "end_time": "2:03:43", "start_time": "2:03:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:03:44", "start_time": "2:03:43", "text": "Exact exactly." }, { "end_time": "2:03:45", "start_time": "2:03:44", "text": "It's exactly that." }, { "end_time": "2:03:49", "start_time": "2:03:46", "text": "People underestimate the power of what happens to the podcast Of course." }, { "end_time": "2:03:50", "start_time": "2:03:49", "text": "Through this journey." }, { "end_time": "2:03:55", "start_time": "2:03:50", "text": "I mean, it's any interaction with anybody, it it adds a completely different dimension." }, { "end_time": "2:03:57", "start_time": "2:03:55", "text": "I get to live your life through your words." }, { "end_time": "2:04:04", "start_time": "2:03:57", "text": "Or at least, you know, don't make the same mistakes or or or or even if that mistake has happened, you say it's not unique." }, { "end_time": "2:04:11", "start_time": "2:04:05", "text": "Many other people have done it and, you know, so it it puts a perspective, which I think is great and those who listen to your show as well." }, { "end_time": "2:04:11", "start_time": "2:04:11", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "2:04:12", "start_time": "2:04:11", "text": "Thank you, sir." }, { "end_time": "2:04:13", "start_time": "2:04:12", "text": "Really appreciate it again." }, { "end_time": "2:04:15", "start_time": "2:04:13", "text": "I'll be linking all of those handles down below." }, { "end_time": "2:04:19", "start_time": "2:04:15", "text": "And until next time from Ranbir and captain Raghuram, and we will see you later." }, { "end_time": "2:04:20", "start_time": "2:04:19", "text": "Thanks, Sitan." }, { "end_time": "2:04:21", "start_time": "2:04:20", "text": "Look forward to seeing you again soon." } ] }

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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:06", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "I saw, rebels with amputated arms carrying a AK with just one arm." }, { "end_time": "0:11", "start_time": "0:06", "text": "And with his one hand, he's taking out his amputated hand and gesturing." }, { "end_time": "0:15", "start_time": "0:12", "text": "Doctor, put it back." }, { "end_time": "0:21", "start_time": "0:16", "text": "And he had gangrene smelling blood, red eyes on drugs." }, { "end_time": "0:34", "start_time": "0:21", "text": "The day we had to go on the 1st flight to South Sudan from the same flight, I was the nominated nominated officer from my Palton to receive mortal remains of left hand colonel Mahipal." }, { "end_time": "0:38", "start_time": "0:34", "text": "He was from mechanized infantry who were ambushed in board." }, { "end_time": "0:43", "start_time": "0:39", "text": "Cargo terminals say I was getting the paperwork done, receiving the mortal remains." }, { "end_time": "0:48", "start_time": "0:43", "text": "And side by side, I was seeing my troops lined up going to board the same aircraft." }, { "end_time": "0:50", "start_time": "0:49", "text": "Just get luggage." }, { "end_time": "1:01", "start_time": "0:52", "text": "And I knew that where we are going to go right now is not what everyone has been perceiving it to be." }, { "end_time": "1:15", "start_time": "1:03", "text": "So we've done a bunch of military podcasts with special forces veterans, but the infantry is one of the most, and I'm using this word positively, but one of the most chaotic aspects of the army." }, { "end_time": "1:25", "start_time": "1:16", "text": "Life in the infantry is all about chaos, going into situations and figuring out what to do on the spot, thinking about teamwork, thinking about combat very actively." }, { "end_time": "1:31", "start_time": "1:25", "text": "It's a very chaotic lifestyle as Major Samarthu spoke about in today's episode." }, { "end_time": "1:38", "start_time": "1:32", "text": "The biggest joy I get out of doing these podcasts is absorbing experiences from so many of my guests." }, { "end_time": "1:43", "start_time": "1:38", "text": "And there's a limited amount of experiences you can gain from someone who spent most of their time in urban environments." }, { "end_time": "1:49", "start_time": "1:44", "text": "But what about someone who spent so much of their time on the sea arch in glacier?" }, { "end_time": "1:51", "start_time": "1:49", "text": "What about someone who spent their time in Africa?" }, { "end_time": "1:54", "start_time": "1:51", "text": "What about someone who spent their time primarily on the battlefield?" }, { "end_time": "1:59", "start_time": "1:55", "text": "This is a conversation with a warrior, another epic military podcast." }, { "end_time": "2:02", "start_time": "1:59", "text": "For more podcasts like this, make sure you follow us on Spotify." }, { "end_time": "2:08", "start_time": "2:02", "text": "Every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world because we're a Spotify exclusive." }, { "end_time": "2:14", "start_time": "2:08", "text": "Major Samar Tur is on the runway show today sharing all his experiences and all his perspectives." }, { "end_time": "2:36", "start_time": "2:34", "text": "Major Samarthur, welcome to the Ranveer Show." }, { "end_time": "2:37", "start_time": "2:36", "text": "Thank you, Ranveer." }, { "end_time": "2:39", "start_time": "2:37", "text": "Thank you for being here, sir." }, { "end_time": "2:46", "start_time": "2:39", "text": "You have such a friendly face, and I know that there is such a dominating badass energy behind that face." }, { "end_time": "2:52", "start_time": "2:47", "text": "So I very, very Punjabi energy." }, { "end_time": "2:53", "start_time": "2:52", "text": "I love it." }, { "end_time": "2:53", "start_time": "2:53", "text": "How's it going, sir?" }, { "end_time": "2:54", "start_time": "2:53", "text": "How are you?" }, { "end_time": "2:56", "start_time": "2:55", "text": "So far so good." }, { "end_time": "2:56", "start_time": "2:56", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "2:57", "start_time": "2:56", "text": "As usual." }, { "end_time": "2:58", "start_time": "2:57", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "2:59", "start_time": "2:58", "text": "That's how it goes." }, { "end_time": "2:59", "start_time": "2:59", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "3:01", "start_time": "2:59", "text": "Life is like that." }, { "end_time": "3:04", "start_time": "3:01", "text": "And even if it is so far not good, we better make it good." }, { "end_time": "3:06", "start_time": "3:05", "text": "So that's how it goes." }, { "end_time": "3:09", "start_time": "3:06", "text": "What does an army career do to a person's mind?" }, { "end_time": "3:22", "start_time": "3:12", "text": "It helps you, acclimatize to your surroundings even in the most uncomfortable manner or a situation you are in." }, { "end_time": "3:29", "start_time": "3:23", "text": "I mean, it makes you accept the situation in which you are." }, { "end_time": "3:30", "start_time": "3:29", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "3:36", "start_time": "3:30", "text": "So it it, it readies you to face all odds out of your comfort zone." }, { "end_time": "3:38", "start_time": "3:37", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "3:43", "start_time": "3:38", "text": "Because as I always said, you know, life is intense." }, { "end_time": "3:46", "start_time": "3:43", "text": "That is why heartbeat pattern is like a frequency." }, { "end_time": "3:47", "start_time": "3:46", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "3:47", "start_time": "3:47", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "3:50", "start_time": "3:47", "text": "And if that frequency goes, it becomes straight." }, { "end_time": "3:52", "start_time": "3:50", "text": "There's nothing to talk about." }, { "end_time": "3:53", "start_time": "3:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:59", "start_time": "3:53", "text": "So that's how, you know, army molds you as per the frequency of fluctuation in your life." }, { "end_time": "3:59", "start_time": "3:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:10", "start_time": "3:59", "text": "So mentally, it's shaping you to take on all odds whatever you go to face inland or abroad, wherever you may be." }, { "end_time": "4:12", "start_time": "4:10", "text": "So, yeah, it keeps you ready." }, { "end_time": "4:15", "start_time": "4:13", "text": "I would not wanna face a guy like you in battle." }, { "end_time": "4:25", "start_time": "4:16", "text": "Like, I mean, every officer that I've met, there is this one very thin layer of intimidation I feel maybe in the first microsecond of meeting the person, which goes away." }, { "end_time": "4:28", "start_time": "4:25", "text": "The moment you smile, the moment you talk, you know, it fades away." }, { "end_time": "4:33", "start_time": "4:29", "text": "But in your warrior avatar, I would not want to face an Indian army officer." }, { "end_time": "4:36", "start_time": "4:33", "text": "And I've met enough to know that they're all badasses." }, { "end_time": "4:40", "start_time": "4:36", "text": "Like, the Indian army is a very aggressive, force." }, { "end_time": "4:41", "start_time": "4:41", "text": "That's what I'll say." }, { "end_time": "4:54", "start_time": "4:41", "text": "And I I don't get how with the Internet in the modern day, with Internet penetration, how these terrorists are not understanding the ferocity of the Indian Armed Forces?" }, { "end_time": "4:58", "start_time": "4:55", "text": "Why would they consciously want to take on people like yourself?" }, { "end_time": "5:06", "start_time": "5:00", "text": "We are trained to lay down our lives mentally and physically." }, { "end_time": "5:09", "start_time": "5:08", "text": "We've been trained." }, { "end_time": "5:17", "start_time": "5:09", "text": "We've been programmed in a much better and a refined manner where I am violent service." }, { "end_time": "5:35", "start_time": "5:17", "text": "I was and I still am mentally and physically ready to go into battle, and I am ready to accept the consequences of my wife becoming a widow or my children becoming orphan." }, { "end_time": "5:48", "start_time": "5:35", "text": "I mean, that is the kind of patriotism, and that zeal and that, you know, peppy enthusiasm and Josh that we still have, and that's not gonna go." }, { "end_time": "5:54", "start_time": "5:49", "text": "It's like a, positive virus that has been imbibed into us." }, { "end_time": "5:57", "start_time": "5:55", "text": "That tomorrow, you know, if they say, okay." }, { "end_time": "6:01", "start_time": "5:57", "text": "You guys are veterans, but you need to go in there." }, { "end_time": "6:03", "start_time": "6:01", "text": "I'm not gonna think twice." }, { "end_time": "6:05", "start_time": "6:03", "text": "I'm gonna go in." }, { "end_time": "6:13", "start_time": "6:05", "text": "So if they think they are, we are even more worse than what they think we are." }, { "end_time": "6:15", "start_time": "6:13", "text": "It's just that, you know, we are controlled." }, { "end_time": "6:21", "start_time": "6:16", "text": "We are working in a, organization where we have to protect democracy." }, { "end_time": "6:24", "start_time": "6:22", "text": "You know, we go to protect civilization." }, { "end_time": "6:28", "start_time": "6:25", "text": "We go to create atmosphere of comfort for our citizens." }, { "end_time": "6:32", "start_time": "6:29", "text": "You know, we go to protect them from the bad element." }, { "end_time": "6:38", "start_time": "6:32", "text": "And, you know, they say that in search of, a hero, the your devils exist." }, { "end_time": "6:43", "start_time": "6:39", "text": "But, you know, in terms of destroying the devil, you need a bigger devil." }, { "end_time": "6:44", "start_time": "6:43", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "6:52", "start_time": "6:44", "text": "I mean, in today's scenario, it has come to that that to a teacher devil or lesser, you gotta be a bigger devil." }, { "end_time": "6:52", "start_time": "6:52", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "6:53", "start_time": "6:53", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "6:55", "start_time": "6:54", "text": "We are not here to be heroes." }, { "end_time": "6:59", "start_time": "6:55", "text": "We are here to tell them to lay off Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:02", "start_time": "6:59", "text": "Because it's already too late for their mindset to change." }, { "end_time": "7:03", "start_time": "7:02", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "7:10", "start_time": "7:03", "text": "So now it's time that we already give them a message that it's better to lay off because you're gonna meet a dead end anyways." }, { "end_time": "7:11", "start_time": "7:10", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "7:19", "start_time": "7:12", "text": "I want to ask you both about your first combat experience and the one that was the most intense or the one that stayed with you the longest." }, { "end_time": "7:22", "start_time": "7:19", "text": "I'll let you pick whichever one you wanna talk about first." }, { "end_time": "7:29", "start_time": "7:24", "text": "I'll tell you first time when, I handled, the mortal remains." }, { "end_time": "7:32", "start_time": "7:30", "text": "I was at, CI Chen." }, { "end_time": "7:36", "start_time": "7:33", "text": "So, you know, it's fight against nature over there." }, { "end_time": "7:37", "start_time": "7:36", "text": "The environment is so harsh." }, { "end_time": "7:40", "start_time": "7:38", "text": "And, you know, that was my first posting." }, { "end_time": "7:41", "start_time": "7:40", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "7:44", "start_time": "7:41", "text": "So I felt like a physical start and everything." }, { "end_time": "7:44", "start_time": "7:44", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "7:49", "start_time": "7:45", "text": "But that is one terrain which pushes you beyond your mental will." }, { "end_time": "7:50", "start_time": "7:49", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "7:50", "start_time": "7:50", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "7:52", "start_time": "7:51", "text": "It's it's very difficult." }, { "end_time": "7:57", "start_time": "7:52", "text": "Either there is you've to fight for oxygen to breathe." }, { "end_time": "8:02", "start_time": "7:57", "text": "You got to fight to gather your energy after every 20 steps." }, { "end_time": "8:06", "start_time": "8:02", "text": "You got you got to carry your own battle load in that environment." }, { "end_time": "8:08", "start_time": "8:07", "text": "They are blizzards." }, { "end_time": "8:09", "start_time": "8:08", "text": "They are crevasses." }, { "end_time": "8:12", "start_time": "8:10", "text": "The temperature is in minus." }, { "end_time": "8:14", "start_time": "8:12", "text": "You go to fight against frostbite." }, { "end_time": "8:18", "start_time": "8:14", "text": "You go to fight against, high altitude pulmonary edema." }, { "end_time": "8:25", "start_time": "8:18", "text": "If the condensation effect in a glass, if you put cold water and you put it out in the warm environment." }, { "end_time": "8:26", "start_time": "8:25", "text": "So you see the droplets?" }, { "end_time": "8:32", "start_time": "8:26", "text": "So in the lungs, water accumulates due to the variation of the, body's temperature." }, { "end_time": "8:35", "start_time": "8:32", "text": "Body temperature and also temperature and the air that we're taking in." }, { "end_time": "8:39", "start_time": "8:36", "text": "So, you know, you you you've you've got to fight it out." }, { "end_time": "8:42", "start_time": "8:39", "text": "And these are things beyond your it's beyond human control." }, { "end_time": "8:54", "start_time": "8:42", "text": "Can you describe Siajan, sort of from the first time you saw it in terms of what was in your mindset about how it would look, how it could be versus what did it actually look like, and what it actually feel like?" }, { "end_time": "9:04", "start_time": "8:56", "text": "Once I got to know, where my unit was, so I just boarded the aircraft, I was wearing my normal combats." }, { "end_time": "9:08", "start_time": "9:05", "text": "My jacket and everything was, in my bag." }, { "end_time": "9:12", "start_time": "9:08", "text": "So the moment I landed, I had a particular place there." }, { "end_time": "9:23", "start_time": "9:13", "text": "And the moment, you know, that gust of wind hit my face when I walked onto the stairway onto the tarmac, that is where I realized." }, { "end_time": "9:29", "start_time": "9:23", "text": "I said, this kind of chilled air, I have not experienced yet." }, { "end_time": "9:36", "start_time": "9:30", "text": "And that is where the troops along alongside me said sub which panel." }, { "end_time": "9:40", "start_time": "9:39", "text": "Like, wear something more." }, { "end_time": "9:40", "start_time": "9:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:43", "start_time": "9:40", "text": "Because I was I was that unprepared, you know." }, { "end_time": "9:45", "start_time": "9:43", "text": "I I've never been to such a terrain ever." }, { "end_time": "9:48", "start_time": "9:46", "text": "And that's the highest battlefield on earth." }, { "end_time": "9:49", "start_time": "9:48", "text": "How old were you?" }, { "end_time": "9:51", "start_time": "9:49", "text": "I was probably 24." }, { "end_time": "9:54", "start_time": "9:52", "text": "23, 24, 24 years of age." }, { "end_time": "9:55", "start_time": "9:54", "text": "And what are the temperatures like?" }, { "end_time": "9:58", "start_time": "9:56", "text": "It used to go up to minus 30." }, { "end_time": "9:59", "start_time": "9:58", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "10:01", "start_time": "10:00", "text": "Minus 30." }, { "end_time": "10:04", "start_time": "10:02", "text": "Minus 30 degrees Celsius." }, { "end_time": "10:04", "start_time": "10:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:09", "start_time": "10:06", "text": "I've been in, like, minus 5 and it was, like, horrible cold." }, { "end_time": "10:10", "start_time": "10:09", "text": "I don't even know." }, { "end_time": "10:13", "start_time": "10:10", "text": "There's no way my imagination even reaches that point." }, { "end_time": "10:16", "start_time": "10:13", "text": "Why why don't you describe what minus 30 degrees Celsius feels like?" }, { "end_time": "10:24", "start_time": "10:16", "text": "30 used to be like, you know, when I feel helpless, I start to laugh where things go beyond my control." }, { "end_time": "10:26", "start_time": "10:24", "text": "That time, I used to sit there." }, { "end_time": "10:30", "start_time": "10:27", "text": "I used to start laughing, and they used to ask." }, { "end_time": "10:38", "start_time": "10:32", "text": "So I used to be like, helplessness." }, { "end_time": "10:39", "start_time": "10:39", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "10:43", "start_time": "10:39", "text": "That's the best motivating factor that I could face, you know." }, { "end_time": "10:47", "start_time": "10:43", "text": "In fact, when we used to go even to the loop, we used to time it." }, { "end_time": "10:51", "start_time": "10:48", "text": "That we'll not be in the loop for more than 180 seconds." }, { "end_time": "10:51", "start_time": "10:51", "text": "Really?" }, { "end_time": "10:53", "start_time": "10:51", "text": "That's like 3 minutes." }, { "end_time": "10:55", "start_time": "10:53", "text": "So it used to be that bad." }, { "end_time": "10:58", "start_time": "10:55", "text": "If you go beyond that 3 minute mark, what happens?" }, { "end_time": "11:08", "start_time": "10:58", "text": "I mean, it affects your body, you know, that kind of temperature and that kind of altitude, you know, your your body organs and your, metabolism." }, { "end_time": "11:13", "start_time": "11:10", "text": "Because, see, you are at such a height, and there's no oxygen." }, { "end_time": "11:15", "start_time": "11:14", "text": "So firstly, you don't get sleep." }, { "end_time": "11:21", "start_time": "11:16", "text": "You need sufficient oxygen for your mind to be at ease and calm and to sleep." }, { "end_time": "11:29", "start_time": "11:22", "text": "So oxygen Number 2, where you need oxygen to digest your food." }, { "end_time": "11:33", "start_time": "11:30", "text": "Again, due to lack of oxygen, you don't feel like eating food." }, { "end_time": "11:36", "start_time": "11:34", "text": "Or you know, 2 potatoes." }, { "end_time": "11:41", "start_time": "11:37", "text": "I mean, you've taken 2 stones and you've hit them together." }, { "end_time": "11:41", "start_time": "11:41", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "11:45", "start_time": "11:42", "text": "Potatoes and tomatoes used to be like that." }, { "end_time": "11:52", "start_time": "11:45", "text": "It used to take where in a normal condition, it takes just half an hour for food to boil and get ready." }, { "end_time": "11:56", "start_time": "11:52", "text": "Or at times, even over boil within half half an hour." }, { "end_time": "12:01", "start_time": "11:56", "text": "It used to take 1 hour for it to just become normal in its, thawing process." }, { "end_time": "12:05", "start_time": "12:02", "text": "So that was the ground reality that hit us." }, { "end_time": "12:06", "start_time": "12:05", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "12:13", "start_time": "12:06", "text": "And we had rations there, but, we couldn't consume because, you know, it is humanly not possible to consume it." }, { "end_time": "12:17", "start_time": "12:13", "text": "Maybe we didn't because, you know, you go you're fighting against nature." }, { "end_time": "12:19", "start_time": "12:17", "text": "What is the food that you're given there?" }, { "end_time": "12:23", "start_time": "12:19", "text": "See, we have canned food, preserved food." }, { "end_time": "12:34", "start_time": "12:23", "text": "Like, we have canned pineapples, canned, chikus, baked beans, and then, we have dry rations." }, { "end_time": "12:38", "start_time": "12:35", "text": "We have for for energy, we have chocolates." }, { "end_time": "12:39", "start_time": "12:38", "text": "What is a dry russian?" }, { "end_time": "12:46", "start_time": "12:39", "text": "Dry russian is like, you know, dry, dry kind of masalas and everything." }, { "end_time": "12:46", "start_time": "12:46", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "12:49", "start_time": "12:46", "text": "Because they can't be in that, semi solid state." }, { "end_time": "12:49", "start_time": "12:49", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "12:55", "start_time": "12:50", "text": "Then we have MREs, meals ready to eat for the putting it in boiled water." }, { "end_time": "12:56", "start_time": "12:55", "text": "What does it taste like?" }, { "end_time": "13:03", "start_time": "12:57", "text": "It tastes good, but, the technical aspect of it is, you know, it causes constipation." }, { "end_time": "13:13", "start_time": "13:05", "text": "So, obviously, operationally, you know, when you carry all these things with you in your backpack, so, obviously, I can't keep going to the loop." }, { "end_time": "13:36", "start_time": "13:13", "text": "So they they manufactured in such a way, you know, technically and scientifically, you know, with the specifications that once I consume that particular MRE, you know, probably I need to go and clear my stomach probably, in 12 hours or maybe 18 hours than in a usual environment where I need to go after 4, 5 hours or something." }, { "end_time": "13:41", "start_time": "13:36", "text": "So, yes, it does have a effect on your body mechanism and metabolism." }, { "end_time": "13:59", "start_time": "13:42", "text": "I mean, we are officers, but at such at such heights, you know, 20,000 plus feet above sea level and minus 20, minus 30, you know, you are you can't be nagging your troops all the time." }, { "end_time": "14:03", "start_time": "13:59", "text": "You gotta make an environment comfortable to them." }, { "end_time": "14:06", "start_time": "14:04", "text": "You gotta keep acquainting them with the training." }, { "end_time": "14:09", "start_time": "14:07", "text": "You gotta keep training them on the weapon systems." }, { "end_time": "14:13", "start_time": "14:10", "text": "You gotta keep updating them about current affairs and all." }, { "end_time": "14:20", "start_time": "14:13", "text": "And probably like when my father was in CI chain during his times, there were no connectivity at all." }, { "end_time": "14:29", "start_time": "14:20", "text": "You know, they used to just write letters, inland letters, you know, just to just write the blue ones, you know, you could fold them and just seal them and send it." }, { "end_time": "14:30", "start_time": "14:29", "text": "This is in the eighties." }, { "end_time": "14:30", "start_time": "14:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:31", "start_time": "14:30", "text": "This is in the eighties." }, { "end_time": "14:35", "start_time": "14:31", "text": "I'm talking about my dad was in Siachen in eighties, 6, 87." }, { "end_time": "14:37", "start_time": "14:35", "text": "Roughly when it was recaptured." }, { "end_time": "14:39", "start_time": "14:37", "text": "84, it was taken over." }, { "end_time": "14:40", "start_time": "14:40", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "14:44", "start_time": "14:40", "text": "And made dude came into place on 13th April." }, { "end_time": "14:46", "start_time": "14:45", "text": "84, I believe so." }, { "end_time": "14:50", "start_time": "14:47", "text": "And, my father was there in 86, 87." }, { "end_time": "14:58", "start_time": "14:51", "text": "It's important very briefly to just touch upon, why it was even retaken." }, { "end_time": "15:03", "start_time": "14:59", "text": "There's a lot of Gen z listeners, teenagers who are not familiar with the SI Achin story." }, { "end_time": "15:05", "start_time": "15:03", "text": "Everyone knows what SI Achin is." }, { "end_time": "15:06", "start_time": "15:05", "text": "Everyone knows how brutal it is." }, { "end_time": "15:07", "start_time": "15:06", "text": "Not everyone knows the back story." }, { "end_time": "15:10", "start_time": "15:07", "text": "So if you could just brief the listeners a little bit." }, { "end_time": "15:12", "start_time": "15:10", "text": "SIACEN is tactically situated." }, { "end_time": "15:14", "start_time": "15:13", "text": "It's a glacier, basically." }, { "end_time": "15:23", "start_time": "15:15", "text": "And the reason why it was taken in haste was it is a tri junction where it borders with Pakistan and China." }, { "end_time": "15:31", "start_time": "15:24", "text": "And that is the tipping point where the distance between Afghanistan and India is the least." }, { "end_time": "15:34", "start_time": "15:32", "text": "So what come in between is the range." }, { "end_time": "15:44", "start_time": "15:35", "text": "So when I was supposed to, you know, we used to hear the blasting taking place on the enemy side, you know." }, { "end_time": "15:45", "start_time": "15:44", "text": "What do you mean?" }, { "end_time": "15:45", "start_time": "15:45", "text": "What do you mean?" }, { "end_time": "15:51", "start_time": "15:45", "text": "Blasting is basically the the the Chinese were helping them construct this Karakoram highway." }, { "end_time": "15:51", "start_time": "15:51", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "15:55", "start_time": "15:52", "text": "So the whole day, you know, we used to keep a try to blasting why." }, { "end_time": "15:55", "start_time": "15:55", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "15:58", "start_time": "15:56", "text": "You could see geopolitics live in front of you." }, { "end_time": "15:59", "start_time": "15:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:14", "start_time": "15:59", "text": "We saw it unfold, you know, and, we could even see the satellite systems that these, the enemy used to use, to overpass our, location and also we we we we are aware." }, { "end_time": "16:15", "start_time": "16:15", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "16:18", "start_time": "16:15", "text": "If they are watching us, probably we are watching them more." }, { "end_time": "16:18", "start_time": "16:18", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:22", "start_time": "16:19", "text": "Which is why strategically that particular point is very important." }, { "end_time": "16:22", "start_time": "16:22", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "16:23", "start_time": "16:22", "text": "It's very critical." }, { "end_time": "16:24", "start_time": "16:23", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "16:27", "start_time": "16:24", "text": "Which is why it's guarded almost throughout the year." }, { "end_time": "16:31", "start_time": "16:27", "text": "And I don't want to say the winter because what happens then in the winter, honestly?" }, { "end_time": "16:34", "start_time": "16:32", "text": "Winter is very excruciating." }, { "end_time": "16:37", "start_time": "16:35", "text": "You know, there's a lot of blizzards that take place." }, { "end_time": "16:41", "start_time": "16:37", "text": "It's it's, kind of left alone." }, { "end_time": "16:41", "start_time": "16:41", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "16:43", "start_time": "16:41", "text": "Like, there's no one who serves during the winter." }, { "end_time": "16:45", "start_time": "16:44", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "16:45", "start_time": "16:45", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "16:45", "start_time": "16:45", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "16:45", "start_time": "16:45", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "16:47", "start_time": "16:45", "text": "It's it's occupied." }, { "end_time": "16:47", "start_time": "16:47", "text": "See." }, { "end_time": "16:48", "start_time": "16:47", "text": "It's occupied." }, { "end_time": "16:48", "start_time": "16:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:54", "start_time": "16:48", "text": "With time and technology and the kind of equipment we have, these are occupied throughout the year now." }, { "end_time": "16:54", "start_time": "16:54", "text": "One second." }, { "end_time": "16:59", "start_time": "16:54", "text": "So when you're saying minus 30 degrees Celsius, I'm assuming you're talking about the summer." }, { "end_time": "17:00", "start_time": "17:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:00", "start_time": "17:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:01", "start_time": "17:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:01", "start_time": "17:01", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:04", "start_time": "17:01", "text": "So how cold does it get during the winter?" }, { "end_time": "17:10", "start_time": "17:05", "text": "See, it remains almost at par at this temperature itself." }, { "end_time": "17:15", "start_time": "17:12", "text": "In crevasse, it goes up to minus 70, minus 80." }, { "end_time": "17:25", "start_time": "17:16", "text": "So there we are told during our training in CIH and Bartle School that if you go into the crevasse, you do not have more than half an hour to survive." }, { "end_time": "17:33", "start_time": "17:27", "text": "So this is what they tell us in training that every step you take, think twice, follow the drills." }, { "end_time": "17:36", "start_time": "17:34", "text": "What's the logic of a crevasse?" }, { "end_time": "17:41", "start_time": "17:36", "text": "Like, is it that as you're walking on land, suddenly something will open up and you can fall in?" }, { "end_time": "17:44", "start_time": "17:41", "text": "See, it's it's all ice that you're walking on." }, { "end_time": "17:46", "start_time": "17:44", "text": "Basically, the land we need." }, { "end_time": "17:48", "start_time": "17:46", "text": "It's all compact ice." }, { "end_time": "17:52", "start_time": "17:49", "text": "So ice is of different density." }, { "end_time": "17:54", "start_time": "17:52", "text": "It is soft ice." }, { "end_time": "17:58", "start_time": "17:55", "text": "It is literally hard ice." }, { "end_time": "18:00", "start_time": "17:58", "text": "Crystallized ice." }, { "end_time": "18:10", "start_time": "18:00", "text": "You know, I mean, even if you would fire a bullet into it, probably the bullet would not even go more than, like 15 centimeters beyond, you know, that tough ice." }, { "end_time": "18:14", "start_time": "18:11", "text": "So, the density of ice is different." }, { "end_time": "18:20", "start_time": "18:15", "text": "Then, you know, the these, the ice is shifting and melting constantly." }, { "end_time": "18:23", "start_time": "18:21", "text": "They speak out to the beach big gaps." }, { "end_time": "18:33", "start_time": "18:24", "text": "So what usually happens is the top layer of the ice is visible because, you know, ice, snow keeps falling constantly." }, { "end_time": "18:41", "start_time": "18:34", "text": "So the the the, snowflakes, they keep interlocking and, you know, it becomes like a carpet." }, { "end_time": "18:41", "start_time": "18:41", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "18:44", "start_time": "18:42", "text": "So, so we keep probing." }, { "end_time": "18:54", "start_time": "18:45", "text": "Every step we take, first, we probe with the rod to check whether, you know, the rod is gonna go right in means there there are lot of depth to it." }, { "end_time": "18:55", "start_time": "18:54", "text": "So let's check." }, { "end_time": "18:58", "start_time": "18:55", "text": "So with the ice axe, then we, you know, remove the ice to check." }, { "end_time": "19:01", "start_time": "18:58", "text": "So if there is a gap in between, it's your lucky day." }, { "end_time": "19:02", "start_time": "19:01", "text": "You didn't go in." }, { "end_time": "19:04", "start_time": "19:03", "text": "So probably you change your route." }, { "end_time": "19:09", "start_time": "19:04", "text": "But usually, we mark our routes and we know that this is the actual route that we keep taking." }, { "end_time": "19:13", "start_time": "19:09", "text": "But, you know, when there's a lot of snowfall, that track gets covered again." }, { "end_time": "19:20", "start_time": "19:13", "text": "So you go to again you know, it's a task again that you go to recheck, recheck, recheck because the ice keeps shifting." }, { "end_time": "19:22", "start_time": "19:20", "text": "So we can't take things for granted." }, { "end_time": "19:25", "start_time": "19:24", "text": "Can't do that." }, { "end_time": "19:26", "start_time": "19:25", "text": "Be very careful about where you're talking." }, { "end_time": "19:27", "start_time": "19:26", "text": "Every step you take." }, { "end_time": "19:29", "start_time": "19:28", "text": "Have you fallen in?" }, { "end_time": "19:29", "start_time": "19:29", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "19:29", "start_time": "19:29", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "19:30", "start_time": "19:29", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "19:32", "start_time": "19:30", "text": "Like And it's a luck factor." }, { "end_time": "19:34", "start_time": "19:32", "text": "What do you fall in?" }, { "end_time": "19:35", "start_time": "19:34", "text": "It's yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:36", "start_time": "19:35", "text": "You could say it's all luck." }, { "end_time": "19:37", "start_time": "19:36", "text": "It's destiny, you know." }, { "end_time": "19:38", "start_time": "19:37", "text": "It's you know, that's what I say." }, { "end_time": "19:40", "start_time": "19:38", "text": "It's like on the edge." }, { "end_time": "19:45", "start_time": "19:41", "text": "It's like, you know, you got to accept few things in life." }, { "end_time": "19:48", "start_time": "19:45", "text": "You know, I can't move on, you know, with a fear of fact." }, { "end_time": "19:53", "start_time": "19:50", "text": "That's what I you we are that is how we are programmed, you know." }, { "end_time": "19:55", "start_time": "19:53", "text": "Like, get it on here." }, { "end_time": "19:56", "start_time": "19:55", "text": "If I'm in, I'm in." }, { "end_time": "19:58", "start_time": "19:56", "text": "My fight is not how to come out of it." }, { "end_time": "20:05", "start_time": "19:59", "text": "I think this is a great point to actually begin speaking about Sudan, and we've had colonel on the show." }, { "end_time": "20:05", "start_time": "20:05", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "20:10", "start_time": "20:05", "text": "He gave us a little brief kind of insight into the situation in South Sudan." }, { "end_time": "20:13", "start_time": "20:11", "text": "You've been there for 2 years of your life." }, { "end_time": "20:17", "start_time": "20:14", "text": "Probably, I would argue in the prime of your career, you served in Sudan?" }, { "end_time": "20:18", "start_time": "20:17", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "20:19", "start_time": "20:18", "text": "Immediately after Siachen." }, { "end_time": "20:21", "start_time": "20:20", "text": "Immediately after." }, { "end_time": "20:23", "start_time": "20:21", "text": "So you're done with Siachen." }, { "end_time": "20:27", "start_time": "20:23", "text": "You've seen a version of hell." }, { "end_time": "20:28", "start_time": "20:27", "text": "I see hell almost." }, { "end_time": "20:33", "start_time": "20:29", "text": "You got a break of a bit maybe or maybe you didn't even get a break." }, { "end_time": "20:43", "start_time": "20:33", "text": "6 to 7 months, that too preparing physically, training hard, getting to know about the South Sudanese culture, which is what traditions, customs." }, { "end_time": "20:44", "start_time": "20:44", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "20:49", "start_time": "20:45", "text": "It's it's, see, the division of Khartoum and Juba." }, { "end_time": "20:57", "start_time": "20:50", "text": "Khartoum, when I say, is North Sudan, and Juba is South Sudan is was based on religion." }, { "end_time": "21:02", "start_time": "20:57", "text": "So Khartoum is Muslim dominated and South Sudan is Christian dominated." }, { "end_time": "21:03", "start_time": "21:03", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "21:04", "start_time": "21:03", "text": "Gotcha." }, { "end_time": "21:12", "start_time": "21:04", "text": "Then they consist of 2, multiple tribes, but the main tribes which are there are Dinka tribe and the Noor tribe." }, { "end_time": "21:21", "start_time": "21:12", "text": "So president Salva Ki, is a Dinka and vice president Riik Mashar is a Noor." }, { "end_time": "21:30", "start_time": "21:23", "text": "So in 1992, there was a rift between these two tribes where a lot of were massacred." }, { "end_time": "21:45", "start_time": "21:32", "text": "And, probably that fall out took place unfortunately in 2013 where the then hit back at the." }, { "end_time": "21:57", "start_time": "21:46", "text": "However, the were the ones who tried to do a military coup and try to assassinate president, and there things went beyond out of control." }, { "end_time": "22:09", "start_time": "21:57", "text": "And, there there are few footages where I have I have reported about tanks firing at people there by the rebels, and we were also a constant target there." }, { "end_time": "22:13", "start_time": "22:10", "text": "So in 2013, we were to move in." }, { "end_time": "22:20", "start_time": "22:14", "text": "And, you know, excitement was there, but things drastically changed." }, { "end_time": "22:33", "start_time": "22:20", "text": "The day we had to go on the first flight to South Sudan from the same flight, I was the nominated nominated officer from my to receive mortal remains of left hand colonel Mahipal." }, { "end_time": "22:35", "start_time": "22:33", "text": "He was from mechanized infantry." }, { "end_time": "22:43", "start_time": "22:36", "text": "And for, other other ranks to Jawans, who were ambushed in bore." }, { "end_time": "22:46", "start_time": "22:45", "text": "Oh, my regiment." }, { "end_time": "23:01", "start_time": "22:47", "text": "So it was a very, eerie and a very, goosebump kind of a feeling where cargo terminals say I was getting the paperwork done, receiving the mortal remains." }, { "end_time": "23:09", "start_time": "23:03", "text": "And side by side, I was seeing my troops lined up going to board the same aircraft." }, { "end_time": "23:21", "start_time": "23:12", "text": "Luggage So that was a point of time as an officer." }, { "end_time": "23:33", "start_time": "23:21", "text": "I was in a dilemma, and I knew that where we are going to go right now is not what everyone has been perceiving it to be." }, { "end_time": "23:36", "start_time": "23:34", "text": "Everybody's mindset changed." }, { "end_time": "23:43", "start_time": "23:36", "text": "UN posting is, you know, usually seen as the prestigious posting is the cream of the Indian Army." }, { "end_time": "23:45", "start_time": "23:43", "text": "You know, we have we are representatives of our nation." }, { "end_time": "23:46", "start_time": "23:45", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "23:51", "start_time": "23:46", "text": "So it's the best of the best that go there on foreign soil to operate." }, { "end_time": "23:58", "start_time": "23:52", "text": "And, you know, with that mindset, it is something like, you know, that blackout down kind of a scenario." }, { "end_time": "23:59", "start_time": "23:58", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "24:03", "start_time": "23:59", "text": "Like, the truce moving out from the air base into the city to get the guys out." }, { "end_time": "24:11", "start_time": "24:04", "text": "So it was something like that that we are going to enter into a country where, you know, shit just hit the fan." }, { "end_time": "24:17", "start_time": "24:13", "text": "And there is no escape because the terrain is such there is no place for cover." }, { "end_time": "24:19", "start_time": "24:17", "text": "What about the Sudanese army?" }, { "end_time": "24:21", "start_time": "24:20", "text": "It's called SPLA." }, { "end_time": "24:23", "start_time": "24:21", "text": "So do these people liberation army." }, { "end_time": "24:27", "start_time": "24:24", "text": "So basically, they have a warlord kind of a system." }, { "end_time": "24:32", "start_time": "24:27", "text": "So every area has the that's a sir punch out there." }, { "end_time": "24:33", "start_time": "24:32", "text": "Indian language may." }, { "end_time": "24:43", "start_time": "24:37", "text": "So they are the people who gets the maximum number of fighters is given a rank accordingly." }, { "end_time": "24:47", "start_time": "24:43", "text": "So your a colonel could be a guy of age of 30 year old." }, { "end_time": "24:50", "start_time": "24:47", "text": "And he's just recruited a lot of young young girls." }, { "end_time": "24:52", "start_time": "24:50", "text": "He's got, like, 200 guys with him." }, { "end_time": "24:53", "start_time": "24:52", "text": "So they join the SPLA." }, { "end_time": "24:55", "start_time": "24:54", "text": "They get trained and everything." }, { "end_time": "25:06", "start_time": "24:56", "text": "And and I think being a warlord is very important in a war on country like that, and probably even being aligned with a warlord is very important just simply to provide for your own family." }, { "end_time": "25:11", "start_time": "25:07", "text": "You've seen that movie 13 hours secret soldiers of Benghazi?" }, { "end_time": "25:12", "start_time": "25:11", "text": "No, sir." }, { "end_time": "25:15", "start_time": "25:12", "text": "You know what are the saving grace of that particular CIA safe house?" }, { "end_time": "25:17", "start_time": "25:16", "text": "The local militia." }, { "end_time": "25:20", "start_time": "25:18", "text": "They got them out from there." }, { "end_time": "25:21", "start_time": "25:20", "text": "You mean this?" }, { "end_time": "25:31", "start_time": "25:21", "text": "So you go to see, initially, the the SPLA is a amalgamation of both the tribes, Dinka and Noor tribe." }, { "end_time": "25:36", "start_time": "25:32", "text": "So all is well till they are together and all is smooth." }, { "end_time": "25:39", "start_time": "25:38", "text": "No differences happening." }, { "end_time": "25:49", "start_time": "25:40", "text": "But the day when a failed military coup took place on the 6th December 2013, Around 6 to 700 Noahs were massacred in Juba." }, { "end_time": "26:00", "start_time": "25:50", "text": "And once the news was out that Rikshahar has fled Juba, and it was a failed attempted coup on president Salva Kir was a Dinka." }, { "end_time": "26:10", "start_time": "26:00", "text": "So what actually went chaotically very wrong was in military barracks, troops went rogue." }, { "end_time": "26:11", "start_time": "26:10", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "26:16", "start_time": "26:12", "text": "So everywhere, you know, we were hearing gunshots everywhere." }, { "end_time": "26:22", "start_time": "26:17", "text": "Like, the soldiers turned into the Soldiers turned onto themselves, the Dinkan Noor." }, { "end_time": "26:34", "start_time": "26:22", "text": "There were very few units which had a compact, team of Dinkan Noor together, But, otherwise, there are a lot of defection taking place." }, { "end_time": "26:42", "start_time": "26:35", "text": "The newer commanders who were, you know, the formation commanders, they defected from the SPLA." }, { "end_time": "26:43", "start_time": "26:42", "text": "From with weapons." }, { "end_time": "26:46", "start_time": "26:44", "text": "With every arsenal, everything." }, { "end_time": "26:47", "start_time": "26:47", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "26:54", "start_time": "26:47", "text": "From tanks to weapons to ammunition to troops to logistics that I'm, add administrative support." }, { "end_time": "26:58", "start_time": "26:54", "text": "They said that back your bags." }, { "end_time": "27:03", "start_time": "26:58", "text": "Let's move out, and we'll, regroup, and we'll come and we'll hit them back again." }, { "end_time": "27:05", "start_time": "27:03", "text": "So it was so chaotic." }, { "end_time": "27:06", "start_time": "27:05", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "27:13", "start_time": "27:06", "text": "The initial 6 months of 2013 till the month of December, things were, like, quite okay." }, { "end_time": "27:15", "start_time": "27:13", "text": "Like, it was fine." }, { "end_time": "27:36", "start_time": "27:15", "text": "We are focused on our, training aid and, weapon systems and regular routine and schedule that we had, interactions with the UN staff, and training modules taking place for troops regarding human rights and protocols of fire fire drills and everything." }, { "end_time": "27:48", "start_time": "27:41", "text": "But at the back of the mind, 10th April 2013, the yata support that we had received mortal remains to be careful." }, { "end_time": "27:53", "start_time": "27:49", "text": "Eventually, 6 December things went wrong." }, { "end_time": "28:15", "start_time": "27:53", "text": "And on on 19th December evening, 4 o'clock, there was a attack at a temporary operating base in Akobo where around 3,000 newer tribe took over a UN base, which was being run by, which was occupied by our troops, UN troops." }, { "end_time": "28:17", "start_time": "28:15", "text": "And how many troops do you think were there?" }, { "end_time": "28:21", "start_time": "28:17", "text": "We had approximately a platoons in there, 30 people." }, { "end_time": "28:22", "start_time": "28:21", "text": "30." }, { "end_time": "28:22", "start_time": "28:22", "text": "30 boys." }, { "end_time": "28:39", "start_time": "28:23", "text": "And, they had 46 Dinka refugees, which included people of all ages, including pregnant women, young girls, boys, elderly, couples, young couples, 46." }, { "end_time": "28:55", "start_time": "28:39", "text": "So eventually, when they came, they overpowered, the whole site and all were armed, and they did not give any reaction time, and they shot all 46 refugees." }, { "end_time": "29:06", "start_time": "28:56", "text": "And they looted the whole camp, and, not many things happened, which probably I'll not disclose because 3000 people." }, { "end_time": "29:10", "start_time": "29:06", "text": "3000 rebels with ammunition." }, { "end_time": "29:11", "start_time": "29:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:14", "start_time": "29:11", "text": "Proper armed along with machetes." }, { "end_time": "29:18", "start_time": "29:14", "text": "Because for them, ammunition is very critical." }, { "end_time": "29:23", "start_time": "29:18", "text": "So if they find an unarmed person, they use a machet rather than wasting a bullet." }, { "end_time": "29:29", "start_time": "29:24", "text": "What was the life of civilians at this time when this kind of a situation is breaking up?" }, { "end_time": "29:33", "start_time": "29:31", "text": "Overnight, we were not prepared." }, { "end_time": "29:39", "start_time": "29:35", "text": "Overnight, we had 15,000 refugees walk into our camps." }, { "end_time": "29:43", "start_time": "29:39", "text": "So where are where are, barracks and accommodation was?" }, { "end_time": "29:45", "start_time": "29:43", "text": "The refugees were right outside." }, { "end_time": "29:50", "start_time": "29:46", "text": "It was it was filled, like, jam packed." }, { "end_time": "29:56", "start_time": "29:50", "text": "In fact, the cemented pathway that we had, we threw literally tell them to please get to say we need pass by." }, { "end_time": "29:58", "start_time": "29:57", "text": "Things were that bad." }, { "end_time": "30:02", "start_time": "29:58", "text": "The whole city the city of Malakal was totally overrun." }, { "end_time": "30:08", "start_time": "30:03", "text": "There was a charge of 1,000 of rebels onto our around the our log base log base." }, { "end_time": "30:10", "start_time": "30:08", "text": "Is it the same one you showed me?" }, { "end_time": "30:11", "start_time": "30:10", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "30:12", "start_time": "30:11", "text": "And Scary." }, { "end_time": "30:22", "start_time": "30:12", "text": "It's like it's way worse than what I've seen in the movie Blood Diamond, which showed sort of a version of, Sierra Leone being overrun by rebels." }, { "end_time": "30:24", "start_time": "30:22", "text": "This was way worse what you actually showed me." }, { "end_time": "30:24", "start_time": "30:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:26", "start_time": "30:24", "text": "I mean, you see the actual footage." }, { "end_time": "30:28", "start_time": "30:26", "text": "There were child soldiers." }, { "end_time": "30:45", "start_time": "30:29", "text": "I saw, rebels with amputated arms carrying a AK with just one arm and even coking that AK with their foot and, again, getting ready to fight." }, { "end_time": "30:59", "start_time": "30:46", "text": "I have seen soldiers of the SPLA come at the UN gate, and with his one hand, he's taking out his amputated hand and gesturing." }, { "end_time": "31:03", "start_time": "31:01", "text": "Doctor, put it back." }, { "end_time": "31:11", "start_time": "31:04", "text": "And he had gangrene smelling lot of flies, and probably a bit of maggots there." }, { "end_time": "31:14", "start_time": "31:11", "text": "He was injured for probably 2 days." }, { "end_time": "31:15", "start_time": "31:14", "text": "My god." }, { "end_time": "31:22", "start_time": "31:15", "text": "And, was the tonic at blood red eyes on drugs." }, { "end_time": "31:27", "start_time": "31:22", "text": "This guy came up to the gate, and the protocol is they have to surrender their weapon." }, { "end_time": "31:29", "start_time": "31:28", "text": "Note on the names." }, { "end_time": "31:30", "start_time": "31:29", "text": "He was sent to the hospital." }, { "end_time": "31:39", "start_time": "31:31", "text": "This guy was operated, and there's a doctor or colonel in the hospital where I I made a call." }, { "end_time": "31:41", "start_time": "31:39", "text": "I said, one guy is coming." }, { "end_time": "31:44", "start_time": "31:41", "text": "He's carrying his amputated hand in his pocket." }, { "end_time": "31:46", "start_time": "31:45", "text": "Just just see to him, sir." }, { "end_time": "31:47", "start_time": "31:46", "text": "I'll do that." }, { "end_time": "31:55", "start_time": "31:48", "text": "So a heart obviously was disposed off, got it done, his wounds." }, { "end_time": "32:01", "start_time": "31:55", "text": "This guy gets up on the second day, comes back at the gate, and says, give me back my weapon." }, { "end_time": "32:02", "start_time": "32:01", "text": "I said, sorry." }, { "end_time": "32:04", "start_time": "32:02", "text": "We've destroyed it." }, { "end_time": "32:06", "start_time": "32:04", "text": "That's what our protocol says." }, { "end_time": "32:07", "start_time": "32:06", "text": "It's been destroyed." }, { "end_time": "32:08", "start_time": "32:07", "text": "How did he react?" }, { "end_time": "32:10", "start_time": "32:09", "text": "He didn't react much." }, { "end_time": "32:18", "start_time": "32:10", "text": "He just walked out with, the glucose, the drip that he had." }, { "end_time": "32:20", "start_time": "32:19", "text": "He just walked out." }, { "end_time": "32:23", "start_time": "32:21", "text": "What does this do to you as an observer?" }, { "end_time": "32:26", "start_time": "32:24", "text": "As an observer, I tried my best." }, { "end_time": "32:34", "start_time": "32:26", "text": "I told the hospital staff outside the SPLA people who are already there to take him with him with them." }, { "end_time": "32:38", "start_time": "32:35", "text": "And, I realized this is not gonna stop." }, { "end_time": "32:50", "start_time": "32:40", "text": "If this is the level of approach that they have despite losing a hand after 48 hours, the guy is not even healed." }, { "end_time": "32:54", "start_time": "32:50", "text": "He's ready to, again, go back without a hand into combat." }, { "end_time": "32:57", "start_time": "32:55", "text": "I said, where does it end?" }, { "end_time": "32:58", "start_time": "32:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:01", "start_time": "32:58", "text": "You know, you said something very interesting outside, sir." }, { "end_time": "33:07", "start_time": "33:01", "text": "You said that the special forces is efficiency oriented and they're supposed to cause chaos in enemy lines." }, { "end_time": "33:09", "start_time": "33:08", "text": "Behind enemy lines." }, { "end_time": "33:10", "start_time": "33:09", "text": "Behind enemy lines." }, { "end_time": "33:18", "start_time": "33:12", "text": "The infantry has to deal with chaos being thrown at them and then figuring out what to do in the chaos." }, { "end_time": "33:21", "start_time": "33:18", "text": "And everything that you're saying about Sudan is exactly that kind of a situation." }, { "end_time": "33:22", "start_time": "33:21", "text": "It's just chaotic." }, { "end_time": "33:23", "start_time": "33:22", "text": "You don't know who's against who." }, { "end_time": "33:24", "start_time": "33:23", "text": "You just know everyone's aggressive." }, { "end_time": "33:26", "start_time": "33:24", "text": "Everyone's out for each other's life." }, { "end_time": "33:35", "start_time": "33:27", "text": "Now you're talking about the soldier who had his own hand in his pocket and then went back into, you know, the war zone like it was just normal." }, { "end_time": "33:45", "start_time": "33:35", "text": "In fact, the moment when he put his hand in the pocket to take out his hand to show it to us, my boys already cocked their weapons and pointed it onto his head." }, { "end_time": "33:47", "start_time": "33:45", "text": "They were expecting grenade." }, { "end_time": "33:51", "start_time": "33:49", "text": "Because that has also happened." }, { "end_time": "33:51", "start_time": "33:51", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "34:00", "start_time": "33:51", "text": "And the worst case scenario was the rebel forces and the government forces were almost in the same uniform." }, { "end_time": "34:06", "start_time": "34:01", "text": "They were just they had just one band onto their arm, the rebel forces." }, { "end_time": "34:13", "start_time": "34:08", "text": "For the viewers of this podcast, we just took a 2 minute pause in the middle." }, { "end_time": "34:20", "start_time": "34:13", "text": "It might seem like it's continuous for you on the edit, but we took a 2 minute pause because this is where the chat gets a little bit intense." }, { "end_time": "34:21", "start_time": "34:20", "text": "So you've taken off your blazer." }, { "end_time": "34:22", "start_time": "34:21", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "34:23", "start_time": "34:22", "text": "I'm like, let's get it all now." }, { "end_time": "34:24", "start_time": "34:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:27", "start_time": "34:24", "text": "Let's let's talk a little bit more about this." }, { "end_time": "34:29", "start_time": "34:27", "text": "You just spoke about the mindset of the people there." }, { "end_time": "34:34", "start_time": "34:29", "text": "So I wanna ask you what it's like when you're facing these people in combat." }, { "end_time": "34:48", "start_time": "34:36", "text": "See, the moment there was a touchdown from the aircraft on South Sudan, tarmac, The kind of perception that you're having, I put." }, { "end_time": "34:58", "start_time": "34:50", "text": "So we got closer to reality the sooner we started moving to our bases." }, { "end_time": "35:04", "start_time": "35:00", "text": "Basis were approximately 500 kilometers away from each other." }, { "end_time": "35:11", "start_time": "35:07", "text": "The most effective and quickest means of coming transportation was by Hepta." }, { "end_time": "35:14", "start_time": "35:13", "text": "So we knew there's no backup." }, { "end_time": "35:16", "start_time": "35:15", "text": "We're on our own." }, { "end_time": "35:26", "start_time": "35:18", "text": "So it was by on the 19th December where I was I was telling you, a cobra may attack." }, { "end_time": "35:30", "start_time": "35:27", "text": "We lost 2 JCOs." }, { "end_time": "35:37", "start_time": "35:30", "text": "1, rifleman Mandel was shot to the right side of his chest, gunshot wound." }, { "end_time": "35:39", "start_time": "35:37", "text": "This is all in skirmishes?" }, { "end_time": "35:49", "start_time": "35:39", "text": "This is when the the came and attacked and killed those 46 refugees and, overran the Kobo camp and everything." }, { "end_time": "36:02", "start_time": "35:49", "text": "And the worst part is that the the newer officials who were part of the government came much later into the picture." }, { "end_time": "36:05", "start_time": "36:02", "text": "They should have been there before to stop things happen." }, { "end_time": "36:07", "start_time": "36:05", "text": "They came after everything was over." }, { "end_time": "36:16", "start_time": "36:08", "text": "There, we got a fair picture that things are gonna unfold in terms of demography." }, { "end_time": "36:22", "start_time": "36:18", "text": "Tribe are gonna get hit." }, { "end_time": "36:26", "start_time": "36:23", "text": "Where are gonna be more, are gonna get hit." }, { "end_time": "36:32", "start_time": "36:27", "text": "So we were to prepare ourselves accordingly at all our locations." }, { "end_time": "36:39", "start_time": "36:34", "text": "The Malagaal is the upper Nile state, which is adjoining North Sudan." }, { "end_time": "36:43", "start_time": "36:41", "text": "It is very oil rich." }, { "end_time": "36:46", "start_time": "36:43", "text": "So the refineries were left in North Sudan." }, { "end_time": "36:49", "start_time": "36:47", "text": "Oil wells were left in South Sudan." }, { "end_time": "37:02", "start_time": "36:50", "text": "So the issue here was that farming because oil content is so high that if they try to do farming and they try to do digging and all, oil is there." }, { "end_time": "37:05", "start_time": "37:02", "text": "So it's restricted, you know." }, { "end_time": "37:11", "start_time": "37:05", "text": "So that is why, firstly, there are a lot of poverty of farming importance in everything." }, { "end_time": "37:19", "start_time": "37:11", "text": "And so when this attack took place, then on 20th December, then the went in and we got back our boys and everything." }, { "end_time": "37:23", "start_time": "37:21", "text": "BMPs were there, left there." }, { "end_time": "37:24", "start_time": "37:23", "text": "They were disabled." }, { "end_time": "37:26", "start_time": "37:24", "text": "How did how did those guys survive?" }, { "end_time": "37:30", "start_time": "37:27", "text": "There's 3,000 people facing 30 people." }, { "end_time": "37:47", "start_time": "37:32", "text": "The local newer officials made it very clear to the rebels that you touch these guys, these Indian troops, the other things will go out of proportion." }, { "end_time": "37:51", "start_time": "37:48", "text": "So these 3,000 rebels just came for the 46 refugees." }, { "end_time": "37:52", "start_time": "37:51", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "37:53", "start_time": "37:52", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "37:57", "start_time": "37:53", "text": "And they they tried not to harm the 30 jawaans much." }, { "end_time": "37:58", "start_time": "37:57", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "38:04", "start_time": "37:58", "text": "But in the skirmish, these, warrant officers came in, tried to intervene." }, { "end_time": "38:08", "start_time": "38:06", "text": "And they were so high on drugs." }, { "end_time": "38:10", "start_time": "38:08", "text": "The the the rebels." }, { "end_time": "38:11", "start_time": "38:10", "text": "The rebels." }, { "end_time": "38:12", "start_time": "38:11", "text": "The young guys." }, { "end_time": "38:15", "start_time": "38:12", "text": "They shot them point blank in the chest." }, { "end_time": "38:17", "start_time": "38:16", "text": "As in?" }, { "end_time": "38:20", "start_time": "38:18", "text": "As in they said, don't kill these refugees." }, { "end_time": "38:22", "start_time": "38:21", "text": "Let's talk." }, { "end_time": "38:24", "start_time": "38:23", "text": "What is the issue?" }, { "end_time": "38:25", "start_time": "38:24", "text": "Let's sit and talk." }, { "end_time": "38:26", "start_time": "38:25", "text": "They are unarmed." }, { "end_time": "38:44", "start_time": "38:28", "text": "But they overthrew, you know, they they just took, the they they, almost kidnapped, troops with weapons and everything, overpowered them, and things were really not it was the most unexpected thing to happen there." }, { "end_time": "38:47", "start_time": "38:45", "text": "The least expected ever." }, { "end_time": "38:51", "start_time": "38:48", "text": "And that was a place which was in isolation." }, { "end_time": "38:52", "start_time": "38:51", "text": "Nothing there." }, { "end_time": "38:59", "start_time": "38:53", "text": "It is just that they got the news of 40 6, those three tribe refugees." }, { "end_time": "39:00", "start_time": "38:59", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "39:01", "start_time": "39:00", "text": "Let's go in." }, { "end_time": "39:03", "start_time": "39:02", "text": "That's where things went ugly." }, { "end_time": "39:06", "start_time": "39:04", "text": "You spoke about these guys being high on drugs." }, { "end_time": "39:07", "start_time": "39:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "39:08", "start_time": "39:07", "text": "What drugs?" }, { "end_time": "39:10", "start_time": "39:08", "text": "I really don't know." }, { "end_time": "39:15", "start_time": "39:10", "text": "They were taking some pills, you know, and the bloodshot eyes." }, { "end_time": "39:17", "start_time": "39:17", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "39:21", "start_time": "39:19", "text": "Those they were child soldiers." }, { "end_time": "39:24", "start_time": "39:22", "text": "Most dreaded element." }, { "end_time": "39:25", "start_time": "39:24", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "39:29", "start_time": "39:25", "text": "Child soldier, you're walking by in a patrol." }, { "end_time": "39:30", "start_time": "39:29", "text": "You're going in a vehicle." }, { "end_time": "39:34", "start_time": "39:31", "text": "You just know don't know what's in the kid's mind." }, { "end_time": "39:37", "start_time": "39:34", "text": "You might just talk the weapon." }, { "end_time": "39:39", "start_time": "39:37", "text": "In fact, the weapons were always cocked." }, { "end_time": "39:40", "start_time": "39:39", "text": "These were AK 47?" }, { "end_time": "39:41", "start_time": "39:40", "text": "AK 47." }, { "end_time": "39:43", "start_time": "39:41", "text": "They had rounds in the chamber already." }, { "end_time": "39:46", "start_time": "39:43", "text": "So they never had to, you know, follow any drill." }, { "end_time": "39:48", "start_time": "39:46", "text": "They just point out and that's it." }, { "end_time": "39:52", "start_time": "39:48", "text": "It's very difficult for a civilian to wrap his or her head around this." }, { "end_time": "39:55", "start_time": "39:52", "text": "You're a trained infantry veteran." }, { "end_time": "39:57", "start_time": "39:55", "text": "You know what it's like using weapons." }, { "end_time": "39:59", "start_time": "39:57", "text": "You've trained people in using weapons." }, { "end_time": "40:01", "start_time": "40:00", "text": "You have kids yourself." }, { "end_time": "40:02", "start_time": "40:01", "text": "You have 2 sons." }, { "end_time": "40:02", "start_time": "40:02", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "40:08", "start_time": "40:03", "text": "How do you mix the two worlds of weaponry and battle with the child's mind?" }, { "end_time": "40:17", "start_time": "40:10", "text": "I I try my best not to discuss anything in terms of combat with my children." }, { "end_time": "40:19", "start_time": "40:18", "text": "I mean, they're too young." }, { "end_time": "40:31", "start_time": "40:19", "text": "My eldest son is still 5 year old, so he still remembers little bit of my slithering from the helicopter and, when we were at, you know, jumping." }, { "end_time": "40:36", "start_time": "40:31", "text": "He used to see these troops do, you know, do the free falls and everything." }, { "end_time": "40:56", "start_time": "40:36", "text": "He has very, faded memories of it, but I try not to, stress on to that because you see, at an early age, if I expose my child to, combat stories and everything, So by the time he's in 10th or 12th for him, it'll be just a normal thing." }, { "end_time": "40:56", "start_time": "40:56", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "41:02", "start_time": "41:01", "text": "And unknowingly." }, { "end_time": "41:05", "start_time": "41:03", "text": "What about these African kids, sir?" }, { "end_time": "41:08", "start_time": "41:05", "text": "And how how young was the youngest child soldier, you saw?" }, { "end_time": "41:11", "start_time": "41:08", "text": "I'll tell you what is the actual scenario that they face." }, { "end_time": "41:15", "start_time": "41:11", "text": "I was at a port location where the ships dock." }, { "end_time": "41:26", "start_time": "41:16", "text": "I saw a kid almost at the same age of my eldest son, which is 5, 5, 4, or 5 years old." }, { "end_time": "41:32", "start_time": "41:28", "text": "He had a lock lock." }, { "end_time": "41:35", "start_time": "41:33", "text": "He had a thread tied to the hook of the lock." }, { "end_time": "41:43", "start_time": "41:37", "text": "He had at regular interval hooks of the thread come like loops coming out, knots." }, { "end_time": "41:48", "start_time": "41:44", "text": "In that, he put few grains of rice." }, { "end_time": "41:54", "start_time": "41:49", "text": "Took it off our bucket rice, and few kids gave him worms." }, { "end_time": "41:55", "start_time": "41:55", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "41:59", "start_time": "41:55", "text": "So do say I didn't know what exactly he was doing with that." }, { "end_time": "42:00", "start_time": "41:59", "text": "Later on, I found out." }, { "end_time": "42:08", "start_time": "42:02", "text": "He's throwing the lock right into the water, And then he's pulling it, pulling it, pulling it." }, { "end_time": "42:13", "start_time": "42:09", "text": "So there's a fish called in the river Nile." }, { "end_time": "42:20", "start_time": "42:15", "text": "So I saw him for almost two and a half hours." }, { "end_time": "42:24", "start_time": "42:21", "text": "That was a route which was once the war war began." }, { "end_time": "42:29", "start_time": "42:24", "text": "So the inland, roads were almost blocked." }, { "end_time": "42:36", "start_time": "42:29", "text": "So it was the waterways through which, through which the world food program used to get the food and everything to these barges, the ships." }, { "end_time": "42:43", "start_time": "42:37", "text": "So I just went and I saw and I called him." }, { "end_time": "42:44", "start_time": "42:43", "text": "Like, what are you doing?" }, { "end_time": "42:48", "start_time": "42:44", "text": "He said, I'm arranging for food for myself." }, { "end_time": "42:50", "start_time": "42:49", "text": "It's a very appearance." }, { "end_time": "42:52", "start_time": "42:51", "text": "So he said they're dead." }, { "end_time": "42:53", "start_time": "42:52", "text": "So I said, who are you with?" }, { "end_time": "42:56", "start_time": "42:53", "text": "Kathy, these are my group of friends with no parents." }, { "end_time": "42:59", "start_time": "42:57", "text": "So I said, so how do you manage?" }, { "end_time": "43:02", "start_time": "43:00", "text": "So he said, we listen to our boss." }, { "end_time": "43:06", "start_time": "43:03", "text": "So that's one elder kid compared to others." }, { "end_time": "43:07", "start_time": "43:06", "text": "How In age." }, { "end_time": "43:09", "start_time": "43:07", "text": "Probably 7 or 8 year old." }, { "end_time": "43:10", "start_time": "43:09", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "43:12", "start_time": "43:10", "text": "Just a bunch of small kids." }, { "end_time": "43:16", "start_time": "43:13", "text": "And they get something." }, { "end_time": "43:18", "start_time": "43:16", "text": "They that's their food." }, { "end_time": "43:20", "start_time": "43:18", "text": "And they're also taught how to use weapons." }, { "end_time": "43:28", "start_time": "43:22", "text": "The child soldiers were probably 8 or 9 years plus of age." }, { "end_time": "43:32", "start_time": "43:30", "text": "Probably they knew how to use it." }, { "end_time": "43:33", "start_time": "43:32", "text": "That is why they were carrying the A case." }, { "end_time": "43:46", "start_time": "43:35", "text": "You know, as a young officer of the Indian Army, you know, you always are full of Josh and Jasbaj and, you know, your end to about okay." }, { "end_time": "43:48", "start_time": "43:46", "text": "Let's get this on, and I wanna see combat and all." }, { "end_time": "44:06", "start_time": "43:48", "text": "And trust me, I I at times, you know, when I sit back and I think I think I wished a bit too much, which I repent because these are the memories which are edged into my mind till the day I die." }, { "end_time": "44:08", "start_time": "44:06", "text": "Are you still healing from them?" }, { "end_time": "44:09", "start_time": "44:08", "text": "It's not about healing." }, { "end_time": "44:19", "start_time": "44:09", "text": "It's about, as a warrior, I feel we were destined by God to experience this." }, { "end_time": "44:26", "start_time": "44:20", "text": "It has made us mentally more strong and robust, and I don't see any healing aspect in it." }, { "end_time": "44:29", "start_time": "44:26", "text": "I see lot of learning aspect in it." }, { "end_time": "44:29", "start_time": "44:29", "text": "What did you learn?" }, { "end_time": "44:32", "start_time": "44:30", "text": "I learned life is unforgiving." }, { "end_time": "44:34", "start_time": "44:33", "text": "Survival of the fittest." }, { "end_time": "44:45", "start_time": "44:37", "text": "If you don't make a move, either like termites, the system will eat you up." }, { "end_time": "44:46", "start_time": "44:45", "text": "You'll be finished." }, { "end_time": "44:50", "start_time": "44:47", "text": "Else, you make the first move and save yourself." }, { "end_time": "44:57", "start_time": "44:51", "text": "If you don't make a move, the other person is gonna make a move, and your head is gonna be on the table." }, { "end_time": "45:04", "start_time": "44:58", "text": "So, you know, Katana, it's better to you sweat and bleed in peace." }, { "end_time": "45:08", "start_time": "45:05", "text": "Well, I mean, you sweat more in peace so that you bleed less in war." }, { "end_time": "45:25", "start_time": "45:09", "text": "So for us as infantarians, you know, it's, during training, it's sweat and even bleed for us during peace because that fear factor you can't live with." }, { "end_time": "45:26", "start_time": "45:25", "text": "You gotta live without fear." }, { "end_time": "45:31", "start_time": "45:27", "text": "So without fear." }, { "end_time": "45:38", "start_time": "45:31", "text": "I mean, the thing that pushes a human mind to face fear is fear itself." }, { "end_time": "45:41", "start_time": "45:39", "text": "So that is 1 it's an antidote." }, { "end_time": "45:48", "start_time": "45:43", "text": "COVID virus which was injected into us." }, { "end_time": "45:52", "start_time": "45:49", "text": "So to overcome fear, you have to face fear." }, { "end_time": "45:53", "start_time": "45:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:57", "start_time": "45:54", "text": "Well, we've had a very, very intense conversation right now." }, { "end_time": "46:05", "start_time": "45:57", "text": "This is one of the conversations where I've spoken the least because I could just feel the things you were saying, and I didn't want to stop you anyway." }, { "end_time": "46:08", "start_time": "46:05", "text": "I just wanted you to talk about the truth on the show." }, { "end_time": "46:10", "start_time": "46:08", "text": "I think that's what people got to know." }, { "end_time": "46:14", "start_time": "46:11", "text": "It's very important that stories like this are exposed to the public." }, { "end_time": "46:22", "start_time": "46:15", "text": "We didn't have access to these stories when I was in college, when I was in school, and I feel like more people need to know the greatness of our military armed forces." }, { "end_time": "46:25", "start_time": "46:22", "text": "So on behalf of the youth, I'd say thank you for your service." }, { "end_time": "46:25", "start_time": "46:25", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "46:27", "start_time": "46:25", "text": "Really appreciate you Thank you, Jay." }, { "end_time": "46:27", "start_time": "46:27", "text": "Opening up." }, { "end_time": "46:28", "start_time": "46:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:34", "start_time": "46:29", "text": "On On a personal level, I'm proud to be talking to you for such a long time that you gave me so much of your time, sir." }, { "end_time": "46:38", "start_time": "46:35", "text": "I do feel there are many more conversations yet to be had with you." }, { "end_time": "46:39", "start_time": "46:38", "text": "Definitely." }, { "end_time": "46:43", "start_time": "46:39", "text": "But seriously, thank you for everything, and thank you for this conversation." }, { "end_time": "46:44", "start_time": "46:43", "text": "Means you're welcome." }, { "end_time": "46:45", "start_time": "46:44", "text": "You're welcome, Ranveer." }, { "end_time": "46:50", "start_time": "46:45", "text": "And I have a lot of messages for the youth, but probably we'll do it." }, { "end_time": "46:50", "start_time": "46:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:53", "start_time": "46:51", "text": "You're going to get a flood of DMs." }, { "end_time": "46:56", "start_time": "46:53", "text": "You know, I mean, direct messages on your Instagram and all that." }, { "end_time": "46:57", "start_time": "46:56", "text": "Uh-huh." }, { "end_time": "47:01", "start_time": "46:58", "text": "I mean, you gotta push yourself then it's gonna happen." }, { "end_time": "47:06", "start_time": "47:01", "text": "And moreover, not today's youth, needs to be guided, you know." }, { "end_time": "47:09", "start_time": "47:06", "text": "Like the Agni Vir, project project, you know." }, { "end_time": "47:11", "start_time": "47:10", "text": "It's practical." }, { "end_time": "47:13", "start_time": "47:12", "text": "It is logical." }, { "end_time": "47:14", "start_time": "47:13", "text": "Yes, sir." }, { "end_time": "47:27", "start_time": "47:14", "text": "I mean, you know, you're gonna get the cream into the forces because that lethargy element is going to be taken out, You know, that lack of acitical, thing, you know, mindset." }, { "end_time": "47:29", "start_time": "47:28", "text": "That's all gonna be negated." }, { "end_time": "47:30", "start_time": "47:29", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "47:37", "start_time": "47:30", "text": "Here, you're gonna get boys who mean business, who do well, will shine well." }, { "end_time": "47:43", "start_time": "47:37", "text": "They'll get promoted on time, and they're going to do justice to, not at a big maker." }, { "end_time": "47:51", "start_time": "47:43", "text": "But, you know, the government you know, there's a limit to the load and pressure of what it can take." }, { "end_time": "47:53", "start_time": "47:52", "text": "Look at the size." }, { "end_time": "47:57", "start_time": "47:53", "text": "We're the 2nd most populated country in the world." }, { "end_time": "47:57", "start_time": "47:57", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "48:05", "start_time": "47:58", "text": "Expect that you expect the economy to be thriving and doing amazingly well." }, { "end_time": "48:10", "start_time": "48:06", "text": "But on the same lines, you want facilities also." }, { "end_time": "48:15", "start_time": "48:11", "text": "So where is the government going to make the savings?" }, { "end_time": "48:19", "start_time": "48:15", "text": "Where is the government going to make the gains?" }, { "end_time": "48:27", "start_time": "48:20", "text": "I mean, you know, you go to you know, ask not what the nation can do for you, but, what you can do for the nation first." }, { "end_time": "48:34", "start_time": "48:28", "text": "To pale a unconditional contribution attitude join the project." }, { "end_time": "48:45", "start_time": "48:36", "text": "The government has put its mind and soul into it, has put in good logic into it, and the youth is going to get a good direction." }, { "end_time": "48:48", "start_time": "48:46", "text": "Society is going to become more refined." }, { "end_time": "48:57", "start_time": "48:49", "text": "75 percent They will be, adjusted into the other forces." }, { "end_time": "49:10", "start_time": "48:57", "text": "So you can imagine you're going to get skilled soldiers who would be, situationally be more aware, who will be well cultured, well mannered." }, { "end_time": "49:12", "start_time": "49:11", "text": "There'll be more of gentlemen." }, { "end_time": "49:15", "start_time": "49:13", "text": "There'll be more respect to the ladies in the society." }, { "end_time": "49:20", "start_time": "49:16", "text": "Or environment of, that being safe is is will be there." }, { "end_time": "49:21", "start_time": "49:20", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "49:22", "start_time": "49:21", "text": "Like, how it is in Israel." }, { "end_time": "49:23", "start_time": "49:22", "text": "You know, the conscripts." }, { "end_time": "49:24", "start_time": "49:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:28", "start_time": "49:24", "text": "They go in for mandatory service, who do well carry on." }, { "end_time": "49:38", "start_time": "49:28", "text": "Otherwise, those who who wish to, who are not taken into the, forces get into the civil society and are doing decently well." }, { "end_time": "49:39", "start_time": "49:39", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "49:47", "start_time": "49:39", "text": "So definitely, the civil arena is not going to overlook them or exploit their skill set by giving them low salaries." }, { "end_time": "49:50", "start_time": "49:48", "text": "They will be imbibed and absorbed in the society." }, { "end_time": "49:53", "start_time": "49:51", "text": "The standard of society is going to go up." }, { "end_time": "50:06", "start_time": "49:54", "text": "So I'm a logic, though, keep wise, project being criticized whereas the it's good to upgrade the, the character of the youth." }, { "end_time": "50:10", "start_time": "50:06", "text": "It's gonna make them more refined, more gentlemanly, well trained." }, { "end_time": "50:17", "start_time": "50:10", "text": "And in an emergency, wherever a country requires more troops at any given point of time, it's just gonna be announcement." }, { "end_time": "50:22", "start_time": "50:18", "text": "And these troops are battle ready and onto the front and ready to face." }, { "end_time": "50:34", "start_time": "50:22", "text": "So probably even the enemy wouldn't be able to comply or put logical statistical data So this is gonna boost everything in a tremendous manner." }, { "end_time": "50:37", "start_time": "50:34", "text": "So, you know, this is a futuristic concept." }, { "end_time": "50:41", "start_time": "50:38", "text": "And if you go to move on, you go to accept changes." }, { "end_time": "50:42", "start_time": "50:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "50:43", "start_time": "50:42", "text": "You can't be rigid." }, { "end_time": "50:43", "start_time": "50:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "50:47", "start_time": "50:44", "text": "So wherever we're heading, we're heading in a very correct direction." }, { "end_time": "50:56", "start_time": "50:48", "text": "And, probably we are going to discuss the current affairs aspect in terms of warfare, urban warfare, and everything." }, { "end_time": "50:58", "start_time": "50:57", "text": "So yeah." }, { "end_time": "51:01", "start_time": "50:58", "text": "So that's how things are gonna move forward, you see." }, { "end_time": "51:02", "start_time": "51:02", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "51:05", "start_time": "51:02", "text": "Learned a lot from you on this one conversation." }, { "end_time": "51:06", "start_time": "51:05", "text": "Looking forward to more." }, { "end_time": "51:07", "start_time": "51:07", "text": "That's what I'll say." }, { "end_time": "51:08", "start_time": "51:07", "text": "Thank you, sir." }, { "end_time": "51:09", "start_time": "51:08", "text": "You're welcome, Jayant." }, { "end_time": "51:11", "start_time": "51:10", "text": "Cool." }, { "end_time": "51:15", "start_time": "51:12", "text": "That was the military special of this month." }, { "end_time": "51:21", "start_time": "51:15", "text": "We've decided internally to always have these military specials released on the podcast every single month." }, { "end_time": "51:25", "start_time": "51:21", "text": "If you're not following a Hindi podcast, I strongly suggest you go follow it." }, { "end_time": "51:27", "start_time": "51:25", "text": "It's on our Hindi channel." }, { "end_time": "51:34", "start_time": "51:27", "text": "There's even more military conversations that we've uploaded onto that channel, on that podcast." }, { "end_time": "51:38", "start_time": "51:34", "text": "If you don't wanna consume the entire podcast, we have a highlights channel." }, { "end_time": "51:39", "start_time": "51:38", "text": "It's called TRS clips." }, { "end_time": "51:40", "start_time": "51:39", "text": "We'll link it down below." }, { "end_time": "51:43", "start_time": "51:40", "text": "And, of course, make sure you follow us on Spotify." }, { "end_time": "51:49", "start_time": "51:44", "text": "Every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world." }, { "end_time": "52:08", "start_time": "51:49", "text": "One request to you guys is that I would like to know who else you guys would like featured on the Randhvi show when it comes to the military, when it comes to people related to the secret services, when it comes to people related to any aspect of national security or state security?" }, { "end_time": "52:10", "start_time": "52:09", "text": "Let me know." }, { "end_time": "52:11", "start_time": "52:10", "text": "Send in your guest suggestions." }, { "end_time": "52:19", "start_time": "52:11", "text": "I'm Ranveer Allahabadya, and TRS will return pretty much in 3 days because we do 2 podcast releases every single week." }, { "end_time": "52:20", "start_time": "52:19", "text": "Thanks for the support." }, { "end_time": "52:21", "start_time": "52:20", "text": "We'll see you soon." } ] }

[ { "content": "**Task Description:** \nYou are provided with a YouTube video transcript in JSON format, where each entry is synchronized with its respective timestamp. This transcript contains the spoken text along with its start and end times. Your objective is to generate high-quality, chapter-wise segments that accurately represent key points or transitions within the video.\n\n**Transcript JSON Format:** \nThe transcript is formatted as a list of dictionaries, where each dictionary represents a spoken sentence, including its text and corresponding start and end times.\n\n**Example Transcript:** \n```json\n[\n {\n \"text\": \"The narrative in the public eye is that you left working with the Modi government because your opinions weren't heard.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:07\"\n },\n {\n \"text\": \"I want to know your side of the story.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:08\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:10\"\n },\n ...\n]\n```\n\n**Your Task:** \nUsing the given transcript, generate a JSON output that breaks down the video into meaningful chapters. Each chapter should encapsulate a key segment of the video and be accompanied by a concise, informative title that reflects the essence of that segment.\n\n**Chapter JSON Format:** \nThe output should follow this structure:\n```json\n{\n \"chapters\": [\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"title\": \"Introduction and Opening Remarks\"\n },\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:07\",\n \"title\": \"Discussing the Exit from Modi Government\"\n },\n ...\n ]\n}\n```\n\n**Requirements:** \n1. **Identify Key Segments:** Extract significant portions of the transcript that represent shifts in topic, important discussions, or transitions in conversation.\n2. **Craft Informative Titles:** Each chapter title should be clear, engaging, and directly related to the content covered in that segment.\n3. **Preserve Time Stamps:** Ensure that each chapter's `start_time` corresponds to the first instance of a key topic or segment in the transcript.\n4. **Conciseness is Key:** While titles should be descriptive, avoid making them overly lengthy. Aim for a balance between informativeness and brevity.", "role": "system" }, { "content": "{'transcripts': array([{'end_time': '0:06', 'start_time': '0:00', 'text': 'I saw, rebels with amputated arms carrying a AK with just one arm.'},\n {'end_time': '0:11', 'start_time': '0:06', 'text': \"And with his one hand, he's taking out his amputated hand and gesturing.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:15', 'start_time': '0:12', 'text': 'Doctor, put it back.'},\n {'end_time': '0:21', 'start_time': '0:16', 'text': 'And he had gangrene smelling blood, red eyes on drugs.'},\n {'end_time': '0:34', 'start_time': '0:21', 'text': 'The day we had to go on the 1st flight to South Sudan from the same flight, I was the nominated nominated officer from my Palton to receive mortal remains of left hand colonel Mahipal.'},\n {'end_time': '0:38', 'start_time': '0:34', 'text': 'He was from mechanized infantry who were ambushed in board.'},\n {'end_time': '0:43', 'start_time': '0:39', 'text': 'Cargo terminals say I was getting the paperwork done, receiving the mortal remains.'},\n {'end_time': '0:48', 'start_time': '0:43', 'text': 'And side by side, I was seeing my troops lined up going to board the same aircraft.'},\n {'end_time': '0:50', 'start_time': '0:49', 'text': 'Just get luggage.'},\n {'end_time': '1:01', 'start_time': '0:52', 'text': 'And I knew that where we are going to go right now is not what everyone has been perceiving it to be.'},\n {'end_time': '1:15', 'start_time': '1:03', 'text': \"So we've done a bunch of military podcasts with special forces veterans, but the infantry is one of the most, and I'm using this word positively, but one of the most chaotic aspects of the army.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:25', 'start_time': '1:16', 'text': 'Life in the infantry is all about chaos, going into situations and figuring out what to do on the spot, thinking about teamwork, thinking about combat very actively.'},\n {'end_time': '1:31', 'start_time': '1:25', 'text': \"It's a very chaotic lifestyle as Major Samarthu spoke about in today's episode.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:38', 'start_time': '1:32', 'text': 'The biggest joy I get out of doing these podcasts is absorbing experiences from so many of my guests.'},\n {'end_time': '1:43', 'start_time': '1:38', 'text': \"And there's a limited amount of experiences you can gain from someone who spent most of their time in urban environments.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:49', 'start_time': '1:44', 'text': 'But what about someone who spent so much of their time on the sea arch in glacier?'},\n {'end_time': '1:51', 'start_time': '1:49', 'text': 'What about someone who spent their time in Africa?'},\n {'end_time': '1:54', 'start_time': '1:51', 'text': 'What about someone who spent their time primarily on the battlefield?'},\n {'end_time': '1:59', 'start_time': '1:55', 'text': 'This is a conversation with a warrior, another epic military podcast.'},\n {'end_time': '2:02', 'start_time': '1:59', 'text': 'For more podcasts like this, make sure you follow us on Spotify.'},\n {'end_time': '2:08', 'start_time': '2:02', 'text': \"Every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world because we're a Spotify exclusive.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:14', 'start_time': '2:08', 'text': 'Major Samar Tur is on the runway show today sharing all his experiences and all his perspectives.'},\n {'end_time': '2:36', 'start_time': '2:34', 'text': 'Major Samarthur, welcome to the Ranveer Show.'},\n {'end_time': '2:37', 'start_time': '2:36', 'text': 'Thank you, Ranveer.'},\n {'end_time': '2:39', 'start_time': '2:37', 'text': 'Thank you for being here, sir.'},\n {'end_time': '2:46', 'start_time': '2:39', 'text': 'You have such a friendly face, and I know that there is such a dominating badass energy behind that face.'},\n {'end_time': '2:52', 'start_time': '2:47', 'text': 'So I very, very Punjabi energy.'},\n {'end_time': '2:53', 'start_time': '2:52', 'text': 'I love it.'},\n {'end_time': '2:53', 'start_time': '2:53', 'text': \"How's it going, sir?\"},\n {'end_time': '2:54', 'start_time': '2:53', 'text': 'How are you?'},\n {'end_time': '2:56', 'start_time': '2:55', 'text': 'So far so good.'},\n {'end_time': '2:56', 'start_time': '2:56', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '2:57', 'start_time': '2:56', 'text': 'As usual.'},\n {'end_time': '2:58', 'start_time': '2:57', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '2:59', 'start_time': '2:58', 'text': \"That's how it goes.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:59', 'start_time': '2:59', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '3:01', 'start_time': '2:59', 'text': 'Life is like that.'},\n {'end_time': '3:04', 'start_time': '3:01', 'text': 'And even if it is so far not good, we better make it good.'},\n {'end_time': '3:06', 'start_time': '3:05', 'text': \"So that's how it goes.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:09', 'start_time': '3:06', 'text': \"What does an army career do to a person's mind?\"},\n {'end_time': '3:22', 'start_time': '3:12', 'text': 'It helps you, acclimatize to your surroundings even in the most uncomfortable manner or a situation you are in.'},\n {'end_time': '3:29', 'start_time': '3:23', 'text': 'I mean, it makes you accept the situation in which you are.'},\n {'end_time': '3:30', 'start_time': '3:29', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '3:36', 'start_time': '3:30', 'text': 'So it it, it readies you to face all odds out of your comfort zone.'},\n {'end_time': '3:38', 'start_time': '3:37', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '3:43', 'start_time': '3:38', 'text': 'Because as I always said, you know, life is intense.'},\n {'end_time': '3:46', 'start_time': '3:43', 'text': 'That is why heartbeat pattern is like a frequency.'},\n {'end_time': '3:47', 'start_time': '3:46', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '3:47', 'start_time': '3:47', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '3:50', 'start_time': '3:47', 'text': 'And if that frequency goes, it becomes straight.'},\n {'end_time': '3:52', 'start_time': '3:50', 'text': \"There's nothing to talk about.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:53', 'start_time': '3:52', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '3:59', 'start_time': '3:53', 'text': \"So that's how, you know, army molds you as per the frequency of fluctuation in your life.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:59', 'start_time': '3:59', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '4:10', 'start_time': '3:59', 'text': \"So mentally, it's shaping you to take on all odds whatever you go to face inland or abroad, wherever you may be.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:12', 'start_time': '4:10', 'text': 'So, yeah, it keeps you ready.'},\n {'end_time': '4:15', 'start_time': '4:13', 'text': 'I would not wanna face a guy like you in battle.'},\n {'end_time': '4:25', 'start_time': '4:16', 'text': \"Like, I mean, every officer that I've met, there is this one very thin layer of intimidation I feel maybe in the first microsecond of meeting the person, which goes away.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:28', 'start_time': '4:25', 'text': 'The moment you smile, the moment you talk, you know, it fades away.'},\n {'end_time': '4:33', 'start_time': '4:29', 'text': 'But in your warrior avatar, I would not want to face an Indian army officer.'},\n {'end_time': '4:36', 'start_time': '4:33', 'text': \"And I've met enough to know that they're all badasses.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:40', 'start_time': '4:36', 'text': 'Like, the Indian army is a very aggressive, force.'},\n {'end_time': '4:41', 'start_time': '4:41', 'text': \"That's what I'll say.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:54', 'start_time': '4:41', 'text': \"And I I don't get how with the Internet in the modern day, with Internet penetration, how these terrorists are not understanding the ferocity of the Indian Armed Forces?\"},\n {'end_time': '4:58', 'start_time': '4:55', 'text': 'Why would they consciously want to take on people like yourself?'},\n {'end_time': '5:06', 'start_time': '5:00', 'text': 'We are trained to lay down our lives mentally and physically.'},\n {'end_time': '5:09', 'start_time': '5:08', 'text': \"We've been trained.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:17', 'start_time': '5:09', 'text': \"We've been programmed in a much better and a refined manner where I am violent service.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:35', 'start_time': '5:17', 'text': 'I was and I still am mentally and physically ready to go into battle, and I am ready to accept the consequences of my wife becoming a widow or my children becoming orphan.'},\n {'end_time': '5:48', 'start_time': '5:35', 'text': \"I mean, that is the kind of patriotism, and that zeal and that, you know, peppy enthusiasm and Josh that we still have, and that's not gonna go.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:54', 'start_time': '5:49', 'text': \"It's like a, positive virus that has been imbibed into us.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:57', 'start_time': '5:55', 'text': 'That tomorrow, you know, if they say, okay.'},\n {'end_time': '6:01', 'start_time': '5:57', 'text': 'You guys are veterans, but you need to go in there.'},\n {'end_time': '6:03', 'start_time': '6:01', 'text': \"I'm not gonna think twice.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:05', 'start_time': '6:03', 'text': \"I'm gonna go in.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:13', 'start_time': '6:05', 'text': 'So if they think they are, we are even more worse than what they think we are.'},\n {'end_time': '6:15', 'start_time': '6:13', 'text': \"It's just that, you know, we are controlled.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:21', 'start_time': '6:16', 'text': 'We are working in a, organization where we have to protect democracy.'},\n {'end_time': '6:24', 'start_time': '6:22', 'text': 'You know, we go to protect civilization.'},\n {'end_time': '6:28', 'start_time': '6:25', 'text': 'We go to create atmosphere of comfort for our citizens.'},\n {'end_time': '6:32', 'start_time': '6:29', 'text': 'You know, we go to protect them from the bad element.'},\n {'end_time': '6:38', 'start_time': '6:32', 'text': 'And, you know, they say that in search of, a hero, the your devils exist.'},\n {'end_time': '6:43', 'start_time': '6:39', 'text': 'But, you know, in terms of destroying the devil, you need a bigger devil.'},\n {'end_time': '6:44', 'start_time': '6:43', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '6:52', 'start_time': '6:44', 'text': \"I mean, in today's scenario, it has come to that that to a teacher devil or lesser, you gotta be a bigger devil.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:52', 'start_time': '6:52', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '6:53', 'start_time': '6:53', 'text': 'Yep.'},\n {'end_time': '6:55', 'start_time': '6:54', 'text': 'We are not here to be heroes.'},\n {'end_time': '6:59', 'start_time': '6:55', 'text': 'We are here to tell them to lay off Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '7:02', 'start_time': '6:59', 'text': \"Because it's already too late for their mindset to change.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:03', 'start_time': '7:02', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '7:10', 'start_time': '7:03', 'text': \"So now it's time that we already give them a message that it's better to lay off because you're gonna meet a dead end anyways.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:11', 'start_time': '7:10', 'text': 'Yep.'},\n {'end_time': '7:19', 'start_time': '7:12', 'text': 'I want to ask you both about your first combat experience and the one that was the most intense or the one that stayed with you the longest.'},\n {'end_time': '7:22', 'start_time': '7:19', 'text': \"I'll let you pick whichever one you wanna talk about first.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:29', 'start_time': '7:24', 'text': \"I'll tell you first time when, I handled, the mortal remains.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:32', 'start_time': '7:30', 'text': 'I was at, CI Chen.'},\n {'end_time': '7:36', 'start_time': '7:33', 'text': \"So, you know, it's fight against nature over there.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:37', 'start_time': '7:36', 'text': 'The environment is so harsh.'},\n {'end_time': '7:40', 'start_time': '7:38', 'text': 'And, you know, that was my first posting.'},\n {'end_time': '7:41', 'start_time': '7:40', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '7:44', 'start_time': '7:41', 'text': 'So I felt like a physical start and everything.'},\n {'end_time': '7:44', 'start_time': '7:44', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '7:49', 'start_time': '7:45', 'text': 'But that is one terrain which pushes you beyond your mental will.'},\n {'end_time': '7:50', 'start_time': '7:49', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '7:50', 'start_time': '7:50', 'text': 'Why?'},\n {'end_time': '7:52', 'start_time': '7:51', 'text': \"It's it's very difficult.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:57', 'start_time': '7:52', 'text': \"Either there is you've to fight for oxygen to breathe.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:02', 'start_time': '7:57', 'text': 'You got to fight to gather your energy after every 20 steps.'},\n {'end_time': '8:06', 'start_time': '8:02', 'text': 'You got you got to carry your own battle load in that environment.'},\n {'end_time': '8:08', 'start_time': '8:07', 'text': 'They are blizzards.'},\n {'end_time': '8:09', 'start_time': '8:08', 'text': 'They are crevasses.'},\n {'end_time': '8:12', 'start_time': '8:10', 'text': 'The temperature is in minus.'},\n {'end_time': '8:14', 'start_time': '8:12', 'text': 'You go to fight against frostbite.'},\n {'end_time': '8:18', 'start_time': '8:14', 'text': 'You go to fight against, high altitude pulmonary edema.'},\n {'end_time': '8:25', 'start_time': '8:18', 'text': 'If the condensation effect in a glass, if you put cold water and you put it out in the warm environment.'},\n {'end_time': '8:26', 'start_time': '8:25', 'text': 'So you see the droplets?'},\n {'end_time': '8:32', 'start_time': '8:26', 'text': \"So in the lungs, water accumulates due to the variation of the, body's temperature.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:35', 'start_time': '8:32', 'text': \"Body temperature and also temperature and the air that we're taking in.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:39', 'start_time': '8:36', 'text': \"So, you know, you you you've you've got to fight it out.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:42', 'start_time': '8:39', 'text': \"And these are things beyond your it's beyond human control.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:54', 'start_time': '8:42', 'text': 'Can you describe Siajan, sort of from the first time you saw it in terms of what was in your mindset about how it would look, how it could be versus what did it actually look like, and what it actually feel like?'},\n {'end_time': '9:04', 'start_time': '8:56', 'text': 'Once I got to know, where my unit was, so I just boarded the aircraft, I was wearing my normal combats.'},\n {'end_time': '9:08', 'start_time': '9:05', 'text': 'My jacket and everything was, in my bag.'},\n {'end_time': '9:12', 'start_time': '9:08', 'text': 'So the moment I landed, I had a particular place there.'},\n {'end_time': '9:23', 'start_time': '9:13', 'text': 'And the moment, you know, that gust of wind hit my face when I walked onto the stairway onto the tarmac, that is where I realized.'},\n {'end_time': '9:29', 'start_time': '9:23', 'text': 'I said, this kind of chilled air, I have not experienced yet.'},\n {'end_time': '9:36', 'start_time': '9:30', 'text': 'And that is where the troops along alongside me said sub which panel.'},\n {'end_time': '9:40', 'start_time': '9:39', 'text': 'Like, wear something more.'},\n {'end_time': '9:40', 'start_time': '9:40', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '9:43', 'start_time': '9:40', 'text': 'Because I was I was that unprepared, you know.'},\n {'end_time': '9:45', 'start_time': '9:43', 'text': \"I I've never been to such a terrain ever.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:48', 'start_time': '9:46', 'text': \"And that's the highest battlefield on earth.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:49', 'start_time': '9:48', 'text': 'How old were you?'},\n {'end_time': '9:51', 'start_time': '9:49', 'text': 'I was probably 24.'},\n {'end_time': '9:54', 'start_time': '9:52', 'text': '23, 24, 24 years of age.'},\n {'end_time': '9:55', 'start_time': '9:54', 'text': 'And what are the temperatures like?'},\n {'end_time': '9:58', 'start_time': '9:56', 'text': 'It used to go up to minus 30.'},\n {'end_time': '9:59', 'start_time': '9:58', 'text': 'Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '10:01', 'start_time': '10:00', 'text': 'Minus 30.'},\n {'end_time': '10:04', 'start_time': '10:02', 'text': 'Minus 30 degrees Celsius.'},\n {'end_time': '10:04', 'start_time': '10:04', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '10:09', 'start_time': '10:06', 'text': \"I've been in, like, minus 5 and it was, like, horrible cold.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:10', 'start_time': '10:09', 'text': \"I don't even know.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:13', 'start_time': '10:10', 'text': \"There's no way my imagination even reaches that point.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:16', 'start_time': '10:13', 'text': \"Why why don't you describe what minus 30 degrees Celsius feels like?\"},\n {'end_time': '10:24', 'start_time': '10:16', 'text': '30 used to be like, you know, when I feel helpless, I start to laugh where things go beyond my control.'},\n {'end_time': '10:26', 'start_time': '10:24', 'text': 'That time, I used to sit there.'},\n {'end_time': '10:30', 'start_time': '10:27', 'text': 'I used to start laughing, and they used to ask.'},\n {'end_time': '10:38', 'start_time': '10:32', 'text': 'So I used to be like, helplessness.'},\n {'end_time': '10:39', 'start_time': '10:39', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '10:43', 'start_time': '10:39', 'text': \"That's the best motivating factor that I could face, you know.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:47', 'start_time': '10:43', 'text': 'In fact, when we used to go even to the loop, we used to time it.'},\n {'end_time': '10:51', 'start_time': '10:48', 'text': \"That we'll not be in the loop for more than 180 seconds.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:51', 'start_time': '10:51', 'text': 'Really?'},\n {'end_time': '10:53', 'start_time': '10:51', 'text': \"That's like 3 minutes.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:55', 'start_time': '10:53', 'text': 'So it used to be that bad.'},\n {'end_time': '10:58', 'start_time': '10:55', 'text': 'If you go beyond that 3 minute mark, what happens?'},\n {'end_time': '11:08', 'start_time': '10:58', 'text': 'I mean, it affects your body, you know, that kind of temperature and that kind of altitude, you know, your your body organs and your, metabolism.'},\n {'end_time': '11:13', 'start_time': '11:10', 'text': \"Because, see, you are at such a height, and there's no oxygen.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:15', 'start_time': '11:14', 'text': \"So firstly, you don't get sleep.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:21', 'start_time': '11:16', 'text': 'You need sufficient oxygen for your mind to be at ease and calm and to sleep.'},\n {'end_time': '11:29', 'start_time': '11:22', 'text': 'So oxygen Number 2, where you need oxygen to digest your food.'},\n {'end_time': '11:33', 'start_time': '11:30', 'text': \"Again, due to lack of oxygen, you don't feel like eating food.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:36', 'start_time': '11:34', 'text': 'Or you know, 2 potatoes.'},\n {'end_time': '11:41', 'start_time': '11:37', 'text': \"I mean, you've taken 2 stones and you've hit them together.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:41', 'start_time': '11:41', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '11:45', 'start_time': '11:42', 'text': 'Potatoes and tomatoes used to be like that.'},\n {'end_time': '11:52', 'start_time': '11:45', 'text': 'It used to take where in a normal condition, it takes just half an hour for food to boil and get ready.'},\n {'end_time': '11:56', 'start_time': '11:52', 'text': 'Or at times, even over boil within half half an hour.'},\n {'end_time': '12:01', 'start_time': '11:56', 'text': 'It used to take 1 hour for it to just become normal in its, thawing process.'},\n {'end_time': '12:05', 'start_time': '12:02', 'text': 'So that was the ground reality that hit us.'},\n {'end_time': '12:06', 'start_time': '12:05', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '12:13', 'start_time': '12:06', 'text': \"And we had rations there, but, we couldn't consume because, you know, it is humanly not possible to consume it.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:17', 'start_time': '12:13', 'text': \"Maybe we didn't because, you know, you go you're fighting against nature.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:19', 'start_time': '12:17', 'text': \"What is the food that you're given there?\"},\n {'end_time': '12:23', 'start_time': '12:19', 'text': 'See, we have canned food, preserved food.'},\n {'end_time': '12:34', 'start_time': '12:23', 'text': 'Like, we have canned pineapples, canned, chikus, baked beans, and then, we have dry rations.'},\n {'end_time': '12:38', 'start_time': '12:35', 'text': 'We have for for energy, we have chocolates.'},\n {'end_time': '12:39', 'start_time': '12:38', 'text': 'What is a dry russian?'},\n {'end_time': '12:46', 'start_time': '12:39', 'text': 'Dry russian is like, you know, dry, dry kind of masalas and everything.'},\n {'end_time': '12:46', 'start_time': '12:46', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '12:49', 'start_time': '12:46', 'text': \"Because they can't be in that, semi solid state.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:49', 'start_time': '12:49', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '12:55', 'start_time': '12:50', 'text': 'Then we have MREs, meals ready to eat for the putting it in boiled water.'},\n {'end_time': '12:56', 'start_time': '12:55', 'text': 'What does it taste like?'},\n {'end_time': '13:03', 'start_time': '12:57', 'text': 'It tastes good, but, the technical aspect of it is, you know, it causes constipation.'},\n {'end_time': '13:13', 'start_time': '13:05', 'text': \"So, obviously, operationally, you know, when you carry all these things with you in your backpack, so, obviously, I can't keep going to the loop.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:36', 'start_time': '13:13', 'text': 'So they they manufactured in such a way, you know, technically and scientifically, you know, with the specifications that once I consume that particular MRE, you know, probably I need to go and clear my stomach probably, in 12 hours or maybe 18 hours than in a usual environment where I need to go after 4, 5 hours or something.'},\n {'end_time': '13:41', 'start_time': '13:36', 'text': 'So, yes, it does have a effect on your body mechanism and metabolism.'},\n {'end_time': '13:59', 'start_time': '13:42', 'text': \"I mean, we are officers, but at such at such heights, you know, 20,000 plus feet above sea level and minus 20, minus 30, you know, you are you can't be nagging your troops all the time.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:03', 'start_time': '13:59', 'text': 'You gotta make an environment comfortable to them.'},\n {'end_time': '14:06', 'start_time': '14:04', 'text': 'You gotta keep acquainting them with the training.'},\n {'end_time': '14:09', 'start_time': '14:07', 'text': 'You gotta keep training them on the weapon systems.'},\n {'end_time': '14:13', 'start_time': '14:10', 'text': 'You gotta keep updating them about current affairs and all.'},\n {'end_time': '14:20', 'start_time': '14:13', 'text': 'And probably like when my father was in CI chain during his times, there were no connectivity at all.'},\n {'end_time': '14:29', 'start_time': '14:20', 'text': 'You know, they used to just write letters, inland letters, you know, just to just write the blue ones, you know, you could fold them and just seal them and send it.'},\n {'end_time': '14:30', 'start_time': '14:29', 'text': 'This is in the eighties.'},\n {'end_time': '14:30', 'start_time': '14:30', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '14:31', 'start_time': '14:30', 'text': 'This is in the eighties.'},\n {'end_time': '14:35', 'start_time': '14:31', 'text': \"I'm talking about my dad was in Siachen in eighties, 6, 87.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:37', 'start_time': '14:35', 'text': 'Roughly when it was recaptured.'},\n {'end_time': '14:39', 'start_time': '14:37', 'text': '84, it was taken over.'},\n {'end_time': '14:40', 'start_time': '14:40', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '14:44', 'start_time': '14:40', 'text': 'And made dude came into place on 13th April.'},\n {'end_time': '14:46', 'start_time': '14:45', 'text': '84, I believe so.'},\n {'end_time': '14:50', 'start_time': '14:47', 'text': 'And, my father was there in 86, 87.'},\n {'end_time': '14:58', 'start_time': '14:51', 'text': \"It's important very briefly to just touch upon, why it was even retaken.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:03', 'start_time': '14:59', 'text': \"There's a lot of Gen z listeners, teenagers who are not familiar with the SI Achin story.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:05', 'start_time': '15:03', 'text': 'Everyone knows what SI Achin is.'},\n {'end_time': '15:06', 'start_time': '15:05', 'text': 'Everyone knows how brutal it is.'},\n {'end_time': '15:07', 'start_time': '15:06', 'text': 'Not everyone knows the back story.'},\n {'end_time': '15:10', 'start_time': '15:07', 'text': 'So if you could just brief the listeners a little bit.'},\n {'end_time': '15:12', 'start_time': '15:10', 'text': 'SIACEN is tactically situated.'},\n {'end_time': '15:14', 'start_time': '15:13', 'text': \"It's a glacier, basically.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:23', 'start_time': '15:15', 'text': 'And the reason why it was taken in haste was it is a tri junction where it borders with Pakistan and China.'},\n {'end_time': '15:31', 'start_time': '15:24', 'text': 'And that is the tipping point where the distance between Afghanistan and India is the least.'},\n {'end_time': '15:34', 'start_time': '15:32', 'text': 'So what come in between is the range.'},\n {'end_time': '15:44', 'start_time': '15:35', 'text': 'So when I was supposed to, you know, we used to hear the blasting taking place on the enemy side, you know.'},\n {'end_time': '15:45', 'start_time': '15:44', 'text': 'What do you mean?'},\n {'end_time': '15:45', 'start_time': '15:45', 'text': 'What do you mean?'},\n {'end_time': '15:51', 'start_time': '15:45', 'text': 'Blasting is basically the the the Chinese were helping them construct this Karakoram highway.'},\n {'end_time': '15:51', 'start_time': '15:51', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '15:55', 'start_time': '15:52', 'text': 'So the whole day, you know, we used to keep a try to blasting why.'},\n {'end_time': '15:55', 'start_time': '15:55', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '15:58', 'start_time': '15:56', 'text': 'You could see geopolitics live in front of you.'},\n {'end_time': '15:59', 'start_time': '15:58', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '16:14', 'start_time': '15:59', 'text': 'We saw it unfold, you know, and, we could even see the satellite systems that these, the enemy used to use, to overpass our, location and also we we we we are aware.'},\n {'end_time': '16:15', 'start_time': '16:15', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '16:18', 'start_time': '16:15', 'text': 'If they are watching us, probably we are watching them more.'},\n {'end_time': '16:18', 'start_time': '16:18', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '16:22', 'start_time': '16:19', 'text': 'Which is why strategically that particular point is very important.'},\n {'end_time': '16:22', 'start_time': '16:22', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '16:23', 'start_time': '16:22', 'text': \"It's very critical.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:24', 'start_time': '16:23', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '16:27', 'start_time': '16:24', 'text': \"Which is why it's guarded almost throughout the year.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:31', 'start_time': '16:27', 'text': \"And I don't want to say the winter because what happens then in the winter, honestly?\"},\n {'end_time': '16:34', 'start_time': '16:32', 'text': 'Winter is very excruciating.'},\n {'end_time': '16:37', 'start_time': '16:35', 'text': \"You know, there's a lot of blizzards that take place.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:41', 'start_time': '16:37', 'text': \"It's it's, kind of left alone.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:41', 'start_time': '16:41', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '16:43', 'start_time': '16:41', 'text': \"Like, there's no one who serves during the winter.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:45', 'start_time': '16:44', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '16:45', 'start_time': '16:45', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '16:45', 'start_time': '16:45', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '16:45', 'start_time': '16:45', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '16:47', 'start_time': '16:45', 'text': \"It's it's occupied.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:47', 'start_time': '16:47', 'text': 'See.'},\n {'end_time': '16:48', 'start_time': '16:47', 'text': \"It's occupied.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:48', 'start_time': '16:48', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '16:54', 'start_time': '16:48', 'text': 'With time and technology and the kind of equipment we have, these are occupied throughout the year now.'},\n {'end_time': '16:54', 'start_time': '16:54', 'text': 'One second.'},\n {'end_time': '16:59', 'start_time': '16:54', 'text': \"So when you're saying minus 30 degrees Celsius, I'm assuming you're talking about the summer.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:00', 'start_time': '17:00', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '17:00', 'start_time': '17:00', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '17:01', 'start_time': '17:00', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '17:01', 'start_time': '17:01', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '17:04', 'start_time': '17:01', 'text': 'So how cold does it get during the winter?'},\n {'end_time': '17:10', 'start_time': '17:05', 'text': 'See, it remains almost at par at this temperature itself.'},\n {'end_time': '17:15', 'start_time': '17:12', 'text': 'In crevasse, it goes up to minus 70, minus 80.'},\n {'end_time': '17:25', 'start_time': '17:16', 'text': 'So there we are told during our training in CIH and Bartle School that if you go into the crevasse, you do not have more than half an hour to survive.'},\n {'end_time': '17:33', 'start_time': '17:27', 'text': 'So this is what they tell us in training that every step you take, think twice, follow the drills.'},\n {'end_time': '17:36', 'start_time': '17:34', 'text': \"What's the logic of a crevasse?\"},\n {'end_time': '17:41', 'start_time': '17:36', 'text': \"Like, is it that as you're walking on land, suddenly something will open up and you can fall in?\"},\n {'end_time': '17:44', 'start_time': '17:41', 'text': \"See, it's it's all ice that you're walking on.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:46', 'start_time': '17:44', 'text': 'Basically, the land we need.'},\n {'end_time': '17:48', 'start_time': '17:46', 'text': \"It's all compact ice.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:52', 'start_time': '17:49', 'text': 'So ice is of different density.'},\n {'end_time': '17:54', 'start_time': '17:52', 'text': 'It is soft ice.'},\n {'end_time': '17:58', 'start_time': '17:55', 'text': 'It is literally hard ice.'},\n {'end_time': '18:00', 'start_time': '17:58', 'text': 'Crystallized ice.'},\n {'end_time': '18:10', 'start_time': '18:00', 'text': 'You know, I mean, even if you would fire a bullet into it, probably the bullet would not even go more than, like 15 centimeters beyond, you know, that tough ice.'},\n {'end_time': '18:14', 'start_time': '18:11', 'text': 'So, the density of ice is different.'},\n {'end_time': '18:20', 'start_time': '18:15', 'text': 'Then, you know, the these, the ice is shifting and melting constantly.'},\n {'end_time': '18:23', 'start_time': '18:21', 'text': 'They speak out to the beach big gaps.'},\n {'end_time': '18:33', 'start_time': '18:24', 'text': 'So what usually happens is the top layer of the ice is visible because, you know, ice, snow keeps falling constantly.'},\n {'end_time': '18:41', 'start_time': '18:34', 'text': 'So the the the, snowflakes, they keep interlocking and, you know, it becomes like a carpet.'},\n {'end_time': '18:41', 'start_time': '18:41', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '18:44', 'start_time': '18:42', 'text': 'So, so we keep probing.'},\n {'end_time': '18:54', 'start_time': '18:45', 'text': 'Every step we take, first, we probe with the rod to check whether, you know, the rod is gonna go right in means there there are lot of depth to it.'},\n {'end_time': '18:55', 'start_time': '18:54', 'text': \"So let's check.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:58', 'start_time': '18:55', 'text': 'So with the ice axe, then we, you know, remove the ice to check.'},\n {'end_time': '19:01', 'start_time': '18:58', 'text': \"So if there is a gap in between, it's your lucky day.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:02', 'start_time': '19:01', 'text': \"You didn't go in.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:04', 'start_time': '19:03', 'text': 'So probably you change your route.'},\n {'end_time': '19:09', 'start_time': '19:04', 'text': 'But usually, we mark our routes and we know that this is the actual route that we keep taking.'},\n {'end_time': '19:13', 'start_time': '19:09', 'text': \"But, you know, when there's a lot of snowfall, that track gets covered again.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:20', 'start_time': '19:13', 'text': \"So you go to again you know, it's a task again that you go to recheck, recheck, recheck because the ice keeps shifting.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:22', 'start_time': '19:20', 'text': \"So we can't take things for granted.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:25', 'start_time': '19:24', 'text': \"Can't do that.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:26', 'start_time': '19:25', 'text': \"Be very careful about where you're talking.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:27', 'start_time': '19:26', 'text': 'Every step you take.'},\n {'end_time': '19:29', 'start_time': '19:28', 'text': 'Have you fallen in?'},\n {'end_time': '19:29', 'start_time': '19:29', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '19:29', 'start_time': '19:29', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '19:30', 'start_time': '19:29', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '19:32', 'start_time': '19:30', 'text': \"Like And it's a luck factor.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:34', 'start_time': '19:32', 'text': 'What do you fall in?'},\n {'end_time': '19:35', 'start_time': '19:34', 'text': \"It's yeah.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:36', 'start_time': '19:35', 'text': \"You could say it's all luck.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:37', 'start_time': '19:36', 'text': \"It's destiny, you know.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:38', 'start_time': '19:37', 'text': \"It's you know, that's what I say.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:40', 'start_time': '19:38', 'text': \"It's like on the edge.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:45', 'start_time': '19:41', 'text': \"It's like, you know, you got to accept few things in life.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:48', 'start_time': '19:45', 'text': \"You know, I can't move on, you know, with a fear of fact.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:53', 'start_time': '19:50', 'text': \"That's what I you we are that is how we are programmed, you know.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:55', 'start_time': '19:53', 'text': 'Like, get it on here.'},\n {'end_time': '19:56', 'start_time': '19:55', 'text': \"If I'm in, I'm in.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:58', 'start_time': '19:56', 'text': 'My fight is not how to come out of it.'},\n {'end_time': '20:05', 'start_time': '19:59', 'text': \"I think this is a great point to actually begin speaking about Sudan, and we've had colonel on the show.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:05', 'start_time': '20:05', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '20:10', 'start_time': '20:05', 'text': 'He gave us a little brief kind of insight into the situation in South Sudan.'},\n {'end_time': '20:13', 'start_time': '20:11', 'text': \"You've been there for 2 years of your life.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:17', 'start_time': '20:14', 'text': 'Probably, I would argue in the prime of your career, you served in Sudan?'},\n {'end_time': '20:18', 'start_time': '20:17', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '20:19', 'start_time': '20:18', 'text': 'Immediately after Siachen.'},\n {'end_time': '20:21', 'start_time': '20:20', 'text': 'Immediately after.'},\n {'end_time': '20:23', 'start_time': '20:21', 'text': \"So you're done with Siachen.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:27', 'start_time': '20:23', 'text': \"You've seen a version of hell.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:28', 'start_time': '20:27', 'text': 'I see hell almost.'},\n {'end_time': '20:33', 'start_time': '20:29', 'text': \"You got a break of a bit maybe or maybe you didn't even get a break.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:43', 'start_time': '20:33', 'text': '6 to 7 months, that too preparing physically, training hard, getting to know about the South Sudanese culture, which is what traditions, customs.'},\n {'end_time': '20:44', 'start_time': '20:44', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '20:49', 'start_time': '20:45', 'text': \"It's it's, see, the division of Khartoum and Juba.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:57', 'start_time': '20:50', 'text': 'Khartoum, when I say, is North Sudan, and Juba is South Sudan is was based on religion.'},\n {'end_time': '21:02', 'start_time': '20:57', 'text': 'So Khartoum is Muslim dominated and South Sudan is Christian dominated.'},\n {'end_time': '21:03', 'start_time': '21:03', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '21:04', 'start_time': '21:03', 'text': 'Gotcha.'},\n {'end_time': '21:12', 'start_time': '21:04', 'text': 'Then they consist of 2, multiple tribes, but the main tribes which are there are Dinka tribe and the Noor tribe.'},\n {'end_time': '21:21', 'start_time': '21:12', 'text': 'So president Salva Ki, is a Dinka and vice president Riik Mashar is a Noor.'},\n {'end_time': '21:30', 'start_time': '21:23', 'text': 'So in 1992, there was a rift between these two tribes where a lot of were massacred.'},\n {'end_time': '21:45', 'start_time': '21:32', 'text': 'And, probably that fall out took place unfortunately in 2013 where the then hit back at the.'},\n {'end_time': '21:57', 'start_time': '21:46', 'text': 'However, the were the ones who tried to do a military coup and try to assassinate president, and there things went beyond out of control.'},\n {'end_time': '22:09', 'start_time': '21:57', 'text': 'And, there there are few footages where I have I have reported about tanks firing at people there by the rebels, and we were also a constant target there.'},\n {'end_time': '22:13', 'start_time': '22:10', 'text': 'So in 2013, we were to move in.'},\n {'end_time': '22:20', 'start_time': '22:14', 'text': 'And, you know, excitement was there, but things drastically changed.'},\n {'end_time': '22:33', 'start_time': '22:20', 'text': 'The day we had to go on the first flight to South Sudan from the same flight, I was the nominated nominated officer from my to receive mortal remains of left hand colonel Mahipal.'},\n {'end_time': '22:35', 'start_time': '22:33', 'text': 'He was from mechanized infantry.'},\n {'end_time': '22:43', 'start_time': '22:36', 'text': 'And for, other other ranks to Jawans, who were ambushed in bore.'},\n {'end_time': '22:46', 'start_time': '22:45', 'text': 'Oh, my regiment.'},\n {'end_time': '23:01', 'start_time': '22:47', 'text': 'So it was a very, eerie and a very, goosebump kind of a feeling where cargo terminals say I was getting the paperwork done, receiving the mortal remains.'},\n {'end_time': '23:09', 'start_time': '23:03', 'text': 'And side by side, I was seeing my troops lined up going to board the same aircraft.'},\n {'end_time': '23:21', 'start_time': '23:12', 'text': 'Luggage So that was a point of time as an officer.'},\n {'end_time': '23:33', 'start_time': '23:21', 'text': 'I was in a dilemma, and I knew that where we are going to go right now is not what everyone has been perceiving it to be.'},\n {'end_time': '23:36', 'start_time': '23:34', 'text': \"Everybody's mindset changed.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:43', 'start_time': '23:36', 'text': 'UN posting is, you know, usually seen as the prestigious posting is the cream of the Indian Army.'},\n {'end_time': '23:45', 'start_time': '23:43', 'text': 'You know, we have we are representatives of our nation.'},\n {'end_time': '23:46', 'start_time': '23:45', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '23:51', 'start_time': '23:46', 'text': \"So it's the best of the best that go there on foreign soil to operate.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:58', 'start_time': '23:52', 'text': 'And, you know, with that mindset, it is something like, you know, that blackout down kind of a scenario.'},\n {'end_time': '23:59', 'start_time': '23:58', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '24:03', 'start_time': '23:59', 'text': 'Like, the truce moving out from the air base into the city to get the guys out.'},\n {'end_time': '24:11', 'start_time': '24:04', 'text': 'So it was something like that that we are going to enter into a country where, you know, shit just hit the fan.'},\n {'end_time': '24:17', 'start_time': '24:13', 'text': 'And there is no escape because the terrain is such there is no place for cover.'},\n {'end_time': '24:19', 'start_time': '24:17', 'text': 'What about the Sudanese army?'},\n {'end_time': '24:21', 'start_time': '24:20', 'text': \"It's called SPLA.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:23', 'start_time': '24:21', 'text': 'So do these people liberation army.'},\n {'end_time': '24:27', 'start_time': '24:24', 'text': 'So basically, they have a warlord kind of a system.'},\n {'end_time': '24:32', 'start_time': '24:27', 'text': \"So every area has the that's a sir punch out there.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:33', 'start_time': '24:32', 'text': 'Indian language may.'},\n {'end_time': '24:43', 'start_time': '24:37', 'text': 'So they are the people who gets the maximum number of fighters is given a rank accordingly.'},\n {'end_time': '24:47', 'start_time': '24:43', 'text': 'So your a colonel could be a guy of age of 30 year old.'},\n {'end_time': '24:50', 'start_time': '24:47', 'text': \"And he's just recruited a lot of young young girls.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:52', 'start_time': '24:50', 'text': \"He's got, like, 200 guys with him.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:53', 'start_time': '24:52', 'text': 'So they join the SPLA.'},\n {'end_time': '24:55', 'start_time': '24:54', 'text': 'They get trained and everything.'},\n {'end_time': '25:06', 'start_time': '24:56', 'text': 'And and I think being a warlord is very important in a war on country like that, and probably even being aligned with a warlord is very important just simply to provide for your own family.'},\n {'end_time': '25:11', 'start_time': '25:07', 'text': \"You've seen that movie 13 hours secret soldiers of Benghazi?\"},\n {'end_time': '25:12', 'start_time': '25:11', 'text': 'No, sir.'},\n {'end_time': '25:15', 'start_time': '25:12', 'text': 'You know what are the saving grace of that particular CIA safe house?'},\n {'end_time': '25:17', 'start_time': '25:16', 'text': 'The local militia.'},\n {'end_time': '25:20', 'start_time': '25:18', 'text': 'They got them out from there.'},\n {'end_time': '25:21', 'start_time': '25:20', 'text': 'You mean this?'},\n {'end_time': '25:31', 'start_time': '25:21', 'text': 'So you go to see, initially, the the SPLA is a amalgamation of both the tribes, Dinka and Noor tribe.'},\n {'end_time': '25:36', 'start_time': '25:32', 'text': 'So all is well till they are together and all is smooth.'},\n {'end_time': '25:39', 'start_time': '25:38', 'text': 'No differences happening.'},\n {'end_time': '25:49', 'start_time': '25:40', 'text': 'But the day when a failed military coup took place on the 6th December 2013, Around 6 to 700 Noahs were massacred in Juba.'},\n {'end_time': '26:00', 'start_time': '25:50', 'text': 'And once the news was out that Rikshahar has fled Juba, and it was a failed attempted coup on president Salva Kir was a Dinka.'},\n {'end_time': '26:10', 'start_time': '26:00', 'text': 'So what actually went chaotically very wrong was in military barracks, troops went rogue.'},\n {'end_time': '26:11', 'start_time': '26:10', 'text': 'Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '26:16', 'start_time': '26:12', 'text': 'So everywhere, you know, we were hearing gunshots everywhere.'},\n {'end_time': '26:22', 'start_time': '26:17', 'text': 'Like, the soldiers turned into the Soldiers turned onto themselves, the Dinkan Noor.'},\n {'end_time': '26:34', 'start_time': '26:22', 'text': 'There were very few units which had a compact, team of Dinkan Noor together, But, otherwise, there are a lot of defection taking place.'},\n {'end_time': '26:42', 'start_time': '26:35', 'text': 'The newer commanders who were, you know, the formation commanders, they defected from the SPLA.'},\n {'end_time': '26:43', 'start_time': '26:42', 'text': 'From with weapons.'},\n {'end_time': '26:46', 'start_time': '26:44', 'text': 'With every arsenal, everything.'},\n {'end_time': '26:47', 'start_time': '26:47', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '26:54', 'start_time': '26:47', 'text': \"From tanks to weapons to ammunition to troops to logistics that I'm, add administrative support.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:58', 'start_time': '26:54', 'text': 'They said that back your bags.'},\n {'end_time': '27:03', 'start_time': '26:58', 'text': \"Let's move out, and we'll, regroup, and we'll come and we'll hit them back again.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:05', 'start_time': '27:03', 'text': 'So it was so chaotic.'},\n {'end_time': '27:06', 'start_time': '27:05', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '27:13', 'start_time': '27:06', 'text': 'The initial 6 months of 2013 till the month of December, things were, like, quite okay.'},\n {'end_time': '27:15', 'start_time': '27:13', 'text': 'Like, it was fine.'},\n {'end_time': '27:36', 'start_time': '27:15', 'text': 'We are focused on our, training aid and, weapon systems and regular routine and schedule that we had, interactions with the UN staff, and training modules taking place for troops regarding human rights and protocols of fire fire drills and everything.'},\n {'end_time': '27:48', 'start_time': '27:41', 'text': 'But at the back of the mind, 10th April 2013, the yata support that we had received mortal remains to be careful.'},\n {'end_time': '27:53', 'start_time': '27:49', 'text': 'Eventually, 6 December things went wrong.'},\n {'end_time': '28:15', 'start_time': '27:53', 'text': \"And on on 19th December evening, 4 o'clock, there was a attack at a temporary operating base in Akobo where around 3,000 newer tribe took over a UN base, which was being run by, which was occupied by our troops, UN troops.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:17', 'start_time': '28:15', 'text': 'And how many troops do you think were there?'},\n {'end_time': '28:21', 'start_time': '28:17', 'text': 'We had approximately a platoons in there, 30 people.'},\n {'end_time': '28:22', 'start_time': '28:21', 'text': '30.'},\n {'end_time': '28:22', 'start_time': '28:22', 'text': '30 boys.'},\n {'end_time': '28:39', 'start_time': '28:23', 'text': 'And, they had 46 Dinka refugees, which included people of all ages, including pregnant women, young girls, boys, elderly, couples, young couples, 46.'},\n {'end_time': '28:55', 'start_time': '28:39', 'text': 'So eventually, when they came, they overpowered, the whole site and all were armed, and they did not give any reaction time, and they shot all 46 refugees.'},\n {'end_time': '29:06', 'start_time': '28:56', 'text': \"And they looted the whole camp, and, not many things happened, which probably I'll not disclose because 3000 people.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:10', 'start_time': '29:06', 'text': '3000 rebels with ammunition.'},\n {'end_time': '29:11', 'start_time': '29:10', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '29:14', 'start_time': '29:11', 'text': 'Proper armed along with machetes.'},\n {'end_time': '29:18', 'start_time': '29:14', 'text': 'Because for them, ammunition is very critical.'},\n {'end_time': '29:23', 'start_time': '29:18', 'text': 'So if they find an unarmed person, they use a machet rather than wasting a bullet.'},\n {'end_time': '29:29', 'start_time': '29:24', 'text': 'What was the life of civilians at this time when this kind of a situation is breaking up?'},\n {'end_time': '29:33', 'start_time': '29:31', 'text': 'Overnight, we were not prepared.'},\n {'end_time': '29:39', 'start_time': '29:35', 'text': 'Overnight, we had 15,000 refugees walk into our camps.'},\n {'end_time': '29:43', 'start_time': '29:39', 'text': 'So where are where are, barracks and accommodation was?'},\n {'end_time': '29:45', 'start_time': '29:43', 'text': 'The refugees were right outside.'},\n {'end_time': '29:50', 'start_time': '29:46', 'text': 'It was it was filled, like, jam packed.'},\n {'end_time': '29:56', 'start_time': '29:50', 'text': 'In fact, the cemented pathway that we had, we threw literally tell them to please get to say we need pass by.'},\n {'end_time': '29:58', 'start_time': '29:57', 'text': 'Things were that bad.'},\n {'end_time': '30:02', 'start_time': '29:58', 'text': 'The whole city the city of Malakal was totally overrun.'},\n {'end_time': '30:08', 'start_time': '30:03', 'text': 'There was a charge of 1,000 of rebels onto our around the our log base log base.'},\n {'end_time': '30:10', 'start_time': '30:08', 'text': 'Is it the same one you showed me?'},\n {'end_time': '30:11', 'start_time': '30:10', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '30:12', 'start_time': '30:11', 'text': 'And Scary.'},\n {'end_time': '30:22', 'start_time': '30:12', 'text': \"It's like it's way worse than what I've seen in the movie Blood Diamond, which showed sort of a version of, Sierra Leone being overrun by rebels.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:24', 'start_time': '30:22', 'text': 'This was way worse what you actually showed me.'},\n {'end_time': '30:24', 'start_time': '30:24', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '30:26', 'start_time': '30:24', 'text': 'I mean, you see the actual footage.'},\n {'end_time': '30:28', 'start_time': '30:26', 'text': 'There were child soldiers.'},\n {'end_time': '30:45', 'start_time': '30:29', 'text': 'I saw, rebels with amputated arms carrying a AK with just one arm and even coking that AK with their foot and, again, getting ready to fight.'},\n {'end_time': '30:59', 'start_time': '30:46', 'text': \"I have seen soldiers of the SPLA come at the UN gate, and with his one hand, he's taking out his amputated hand and gesturing.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:03', 'start_time': '31:01', 'text': 'Doctor, put it back.'},\n {'end_time': '31:11', 'start_time': '31:04', 'text': 'And he had gangrene smelling lot of flies, and probably a bit of maggots there.'},\n {'end_time': '31:14', 'start_time': '31:11', 'text': 'He was injured for probably 2 days.'},\n {'end_time': '31:15', 'start_time': '31:14', 'text': 'My god.'},\n {'end_time': '31:22', 'start_time': '31:15', 'text': 'And, was the tonic at blood red eyes on drugs.'},\n {'end_time': '31:27', 'start_time': '31:22', 'text': 'This guy came up to the gate, and the protocol is they have to surrender their weapon.'},\n {'end_time': '31:29', 'start_time': '31:28', 'text': 'Note on the names.'},\n {'end_time': '31:30', 'start_time': '31:29', 'text': 'He was sent to the hospital.'},\n {'end_time': '31:39', 'start_time': '31:31', 'text': \"This guy was operated, and there's a doctor or colonel in the hospital where I I made a call.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:41', 'start_time': '31:39', 'text': 'I said, one guy is coming.'},\n {'end_time': '31:44', 'start_time': '31:41', 'text': \"He's carrying his amputated hand in his pocket.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:46', 'start_time': '31:45', 'text': 'Just just see to him, sir.'},\n {'end_time': '31:47', 'start_time': '31:46', 'text': \"I'll do that.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:55', 'start_time': '31:48', 'text': 'So a heart obviously was disposed off, got it done, his wounds.'},\n {'end_time': '32:01', 'start_time': '31:55', 'text': 'This guy gets up on the second day, comes back at the gate, and says, give me back my weapon.'},\n {'end_time': '32:02', 'start_time': '32:01', 'text': 'I said, sorry.'},\n {'end_time': '32:04', 'start_time': '32:02', 'text': \"We've destroyed it.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:06', 'start_time': '32:04', 'text': \"That's what our protocol says.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:07', 'start_time': '32:06', 'text': \"It's been destroyed.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:08', 'start_time': '32:07', 'text': 'How did he react?'},\n {'end_time': '32:10', 'start_time': '32:09', 'text': \"He didn't react much.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:18', 'start_time': '32:10', 'text': 'He just walked out with, the glucose, the drip that he had.'},\n {'end_time': '32:20', 'start_time': '32:19', 'text': 'He just walked out.'},\n {'end_time': '32:23', 'start_time': '32:21', 'text': 'What does this do to you as an observer?'},\n {'end_time': '32:26', 'start_time': '32:24', 'text': 'As an observer, I tried my best.'},\n {'end_time': '32:34', 'start_time': '32:26', 'text': 'I told the hospital staff outside the SPLA people who are already there to take him with him with them.'},\n {'end_time': '32:38', 'start_time': '32:35', 'text': 'And, I realized this is not gonna stop.'},\n {'end_time': '32:50', 'start_time': '32:40', 'text': 'If this is the level of approach that they have despite losing a hand after 48 hours, the guy is not even healed.'},\n {'end_time': '32:54', 'start_time': '32:50', 'text': \"He's ready to, again, go back without a hand into combat.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:57', 'start_time': '32:55', 'text': 'I said, where does it end?'},\n {'end_time': '32:58', 'start_time': '32:58', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '33:01', 'start_time': '32:58', 'text': 'You know, you said something very interesting outside, sir.'},\n {'end_time': '33:07', 'start_time': '33:01', 'text': \"You said that the special forces is efficiency oriented and they're supposed to cause chaos in enemy lines.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:09', 'start_time': '33:08', 'text': 'Behind enemy lines.'},\n {'end_time': '33:10', 'start_time': '33:09', 'text': 'Behind enemy lines.'},\n {'end_time': '33:18', 'start_time': '33:12', 'text': 'The infantry has to deal with chaos being thrown at them and then figuring out what to do in the chaos.'},\n {'end_time': '33:21', 'start_time': '33:18', 'text': \"And everything that you're saying about Sudan is exactly that kind of a situation.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:22', 'start_time': '33:21', 'text': \"It's just chaotic.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:23', 'start_time': '33:22', 'text': \"You don't know who's against who.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:24', 'start_time': '33:23', 'text': \"You just know everyone's aggressive.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:26', 'start_time': '33:24', 'text': \"Everyone's out for each other's life.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:35', 'start_time': '33:27', 'text': \"Now you're talking about the soldier who had his own hand in his pocket and then went back into, you know, the war zone like it was just normal.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:45', 'start_time': '33:35', 'text': 'In fact, the moment when he put his hand in the pocket to take out his hand to show it to us, my boys already cocked their weapons and pointed it onto his head.'},\n {'end_time': '33:47', 'start_time': '33:45', 'text': 'They were expecting grenade.'},\n {'end_time': '33:51', 'start_time': '33:49', 'text': 'Because that has also happened.'},\n {'end_time': '33:51', 'start_time': '33:51', 'text': 'Exactly.'},\n {'end_time': '34:00', 'start_time': '33:51', 'text': 'And the worst case scenario was the rebel forces and the government forces were almost in the same uniform.'},\n {'end_time': '34:06', 'start_time': '34:01', 'text': 'They were just they had just one band onto their arm, the rebel forces.'},\n {'end_time': '34:13', 'start_time': '34:08', 'text': 'For the viewers of this podcast, we just took a 2 minute pause in the middle.'},\n {'end_time': '34:20', 'start_time': '34:13', 'text': \"It might seem like it's continuous for you on the edit, but we took a 2 minute pause because this is where the chat gets a little bit intense.\"},\n {'end_time': '34:21', 'start_time': '34:20', 'text': \"So you've taken off your blazer.\"},\n {'end_time': '34:22', 'start_time': '34:21', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '34:23', 'start_time': '34:22', 'text': \"I'm like, let's get it all now.\"},\n {'end_time': '34:24', 'start_time': '34:23', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '34:27', 'start_time': '34:24', 'text': \"Let's let's talk a little bit more about this.\"},\n {'end_time': '34:29', 'start_time': '34:27', 'text': 'You just spoke about the mindset of the people there.'},\n {'end_time': '34:34', 'start_time': '34:29', 'text': \"So I wanna ask you what it's like when you're facing these people in combat.\"},\n {'end_time': '34:48', 'start_time': '34:36', 'text': \"See, the moment there was a touchdown from the aircraft on South Sudan, tarmac, The kind of perception that you're having, I put.\"},\n {'end_time': '34:58', 'start_time': '34:50', 'text': 'So we got closer to reality the sooner we started moving to our bases.'},\n {'end_time': '35:04', 'start_time': '35:00', 'text': 'Basis were approximately 500 kilometers away from each other.'},\n {'end_time': '35:11', 'start_time': '35:07', 'text': 'The most effective and quickest means of coming transportation was by Hepta.'},\n {'end_time': '35:14', 'start_time': '35:13', 'text': \"So we knew there's no backup.\"},\n {'end_time': '35:16', 'start_time': '35:15', 'text': \"We're on our own.\"},\n {'end_time': '35:26', 'start_time': '35:18', 'text': 'So it was by on the 19th December where I was I was telling you, a cobra may attack.'},\n {'end_time': '35:30', 'start_time': '35:27', 'text': 'We lost 2 JCOs.'},\n {'end_time': '35:37', 'start_time': '35:30', 'text': '1, rifleman Mandel was shot to the right side of his chest, gunshot wound.'},\n {'end_time': '35:39', 'start_time': '35:37', 'text': 'This is all in skirmishes?'},\n {'end_time': '35:49', 'start_time': '35:39', 'text': 'This is when the the came and attacked and killed those 46 refugees and, overran the Kobo camp and everything.'},\n {'end_time': '36:02', 'start_time': '35:49', 'text': 'And the worst part is that the the newer officials who were part of the government came much later into the picture.'},\n {'end_time': '36:05', 'start_time': '36:02', 'text': 'They should have been there before to stop things happen.'},\n {'end_time': '36:07', 'start_time': '36:05', 'text': 'They came after everything was over.'},\n {'end_time': '36:16', 'start_time': '36:08', 'text': 'There, we got a fair picture that things are gonna unfold in terms of demography.'},\n {'end_time': '36:22', 'start_time': '36:18', 'text': 'Tribe are gonna get hit.'},\n {'end_time': '36:26', 'start_time': '36:23', 'text': 'Where are gonna be more, are gonna get hit.'},\n {'end_time': '36:32', 'start_time': '36:27', 'text': 'So we were to prepare ourselves accordingly at all our locations.'},\n {'end_time': '36:39', 'start_time': '36:34', 'text': 'The Malagaal is the upper Nile state, which is adjoining North Sudan.'},\n {'end_time': '36:43', 'start_time': '36:41', 'text': 'It is very oil rich.'},\n {'end_time': '36:46', 'start_time': '36:43', 'text': 'So the refineries were left in North Sudan.'},\n {'end_time': '36:49', 'start_time': '36:47', 'text': 'Oil wells were left in South Sudan.'},\n {'end_time': '37:02', 'start_time': '36:50', 'text': 'So the issue here was that farming because oil content is so high that if they try to do farming and they try to do digging and all, oil is there.'},\n {'end_time': '37:05', 'start_time': '37:02', 'text': \"So it's restricted, you know.\"},\n {'end_time': '37:11', 'start_time': '37:05', 'text': 'So that is why, firstly, there are a lot of poverty of farming importance in everything.'},\n {'end_time': '37:19', 'start_time': '37:11', 'text': 'And so when this attack took place, then on 20th December, then the went in and we got back our boys and everything.'},\n {'end_time': '37:23', 'start_time': '37:21', 'text': 'BMPs were there, left there.'},\n {'end_time': '37:24', 'start_time': '37:23', 'text': 'They were disabled.'},\n {'end_time': '37:26', 'start_time': '37:24', 'text': 'How did how did those guys survive?'},\n {'end_time': '37:30', 'start_time': '37:27', 'text': \"There's 3,000 people facing 30 people.\"},\n {'end_time': '37:47', 'start_time': '37:32', 'text': 'The local newer officials made it very clear to the rebels that you touch these guys, these Indian troops, the other things will go out of proportion.'},\n {'end_time': '37:51', 'start_time': '37:48', 'text': 'So these 3,000 rebels just came for the 46 refugees.'},\n {'end_time': '37:52', 'start_time': '37:51', 'text': 'Exactly.'},\n {'end_time': '37:53', 'start_time': '37:52', 'text': 'Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '37:57', 'start_time': '37:53', 'text': 'And they they tried not to harm the 30 jawaans much.'},\n {'end_time': '37:58', 'start_time': '37:57', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '38:04', 'start_time': '37:58', 'text': 'But in the skirmish, these, warrant officers came in, tried to intervene.'},\n {'end_time': '38:08', 'start_time': '38:06', 'text': 'And they were so high on drugs.'},\n {'end_time': '38:10', 'start_time': '38:08', 'text': 'The the the rebels.'},\n {'end_time': '38:11', 'start_time': '38:10', 'text': 'The rebels.'},\n {'end_time': '38:12', 'start_time': '38:11', 'text': 'The young guys.'},\n {'end_time': '38:15', 'start_time': '38:12', 'text': 'They shot them point blank in the chest.'},\n {'end_time': '38:17', 'start_time': '38:16', 'text': 'As in?'},\n {'end_time': '38:20', 'start_time': '38:18', 'text': \"As in they said, don't kill these refugees.\"},\n {'end_time': '38:22', 'start_time': '38:21', 'text': \"Let's talk.\"},\n {'end_time': '38:24', 'start_time': '38:23', 'text': 'What is the issue?'},\n {'end_time': '38:25', 'start_time': '38:24', 'text': \"Let's sit and talk.\"},\n {'end_time': '38:26', 'start_time': '38:25', 'text': 'They are unarmed.'},\n {'end_time': '38:44', 'start_time': '38:28', 'text': 'But they overthrew, you know, they they just took, the they they, almost kidnapped, troops with weapons and everything, overpowered them, and things were really not it was the most unexpected thing to happen there.'},\n {'end_time': '38:47', 'start_time': '38:45', 'text': 'The least expected ever.'},\n {'end_time': '38:51', 'start_time': '38:48', 'text': 'And that was a place which was in isolation.'},\n {'end_time': '38:52', 'start_time': '38:51', 'text': 'Nothing there.'},\n {'end_time': '38:59', 'start_time': '38:53', 'text': 'It is just that they got the news of 40 6, those three tribe refugees.'},\n {'end_time': '39:00', 'start_time': '38:59', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '39:01', 'start_time': '39:00', 'text': \"Let's go in.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:03', 'start_time': '39:02', 'text': \"That's where things went ugly.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:06', 'start_time': '39:04', 'text': 'You spoke about these guys being high on drugs.'},\n {'end_time': '39:07', 'start_time': '39:07', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '39:08', 'start_time': '39:07', 'text': 'What drugs?'},\n {'end_time': '39:10', 'start_time': '39:08', 'text': \"I really don't know.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:15', 'start_time': '39:10', 'text': 'They were taking some pills, you know, and the bloodshot eyes.'},\n {'end_time': '39:17', 'start_time': '39:17', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '39:21', 'start_time': '39:19', 'text': 'Those they were child soldiers.'},\n {'end_time': '39:24', 'start_time': '39:22', 'text': 'Most dreaded element.'},\n {'end_time': '39:25', 'start_time': '39:24', 'text': 'Why?'},\n {'end_time': '39:29', 'start_time': '39:25', 'text': \"Child soldier, you're walking by in a patrol.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:30', 'start_time': '39:29', 'text': \"You're going in a vehicle.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:34', 'start_time': '39:31', 'text': \"You just know don't know what's in the kid's mind.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:37', 'start_time': '39:34', 'text': 'You might just talk the weapon.'},\n {'end_time': '39:39', 'start_time': '39:37', 'text': 'In fact, the weapons were always cocked.'},\n {'end_time': '39:40', 'start_time': '39:39', 'text': 'These were AK 47?'},\n {'end_time': '39:41', 'start_time': '39:40', 'text': 'AK 47.'},\n {'end_time': '39:43', 'start_time': '39:41', 'text': 'They had rounds in the chamber already.'},\n {'end_time': '39:46', 'start_time': '39:43', 'text': 'So they never had to, you know, follow any drill.'},\n {'end_time': '39:48', 'start_time': '39:46', 'text': \"They just point out and that's it.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:52', 'start_time': '39:48', 'text': \"It's very difficult for a civilian to wrap his or her head around this.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:55', 'start_time': '39:52', 'text': \"You're a trained infantry veteran.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:57', 'start_time': '39:55', 'text': \"You know what it's like using weapons.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:59', 'start_time': '39:57', 'text': \"You've trained people in using weapons.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:01', 'start_time': '40:00', 'text': 'You have kids yourself.'},\n {'end_time': '40:02', 'start_time': '40:01', 'text': 'You have 2 sons.'},\n {'end_time': '40:02', 'start_time': '40:02', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '40:08', 'start_time': '40:03', 'text': \"How do you mix the two worlds of weaponry and battle with the child's mind?\"},\n {'end_time': '40:17', 'start_time': '40:10', 'text': 'I I try my best not to discuss anything in terms of combat with my children.'},\n {'end_time': '40:19', 'start_time': '40:18', 'text': \"I mean, they're too young.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:31', 'start_time': '40:19', 'text': 'My eldest son is still 5 year old, so he still remembers little bit of my slithering from the helicopter and, when we were at, you know, jumping.'},\n {'end_time': '40:36', 'start_time': '40:31', 'text': 'He used to see these troops do, you know, do the free falls and everything.'},\n {'end_time': '40:56', 'start_time': '40:36', 'text': \"He has very, faded memories of it, but I try not to, stress on to that because you see, at an early age, if I expose my child to, combat stories and everything, So by the time he's in 10th or 12th for him, it'll be just a normal thing.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:56', 'start_time': '40:56', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '41:02', 'start_time': '41:01', 'text': 'And unknowingly.'},\n {'end_time': '41:05', 'start_time': '41:03', 'text': 'What about these African kids, sir?'},\n {'end_time': '41:08', 'start_time': '41:05', 'text': 'And how how young was the youngest child soldier, you saw?'},\n {'end_time': '41:11', 'start_time': '41:08', 'text': \"I'll tell you what is the actual scenario that they face.\"},\n {'end_time': '41:15', 'start_time': '41:11', 'text': 'I was at a port location where the ships dock.'},\n {'end_time': '41:26', 'start_time': '41:16', 'text': 'I saw a kid almost at the same age of my eldest son, which is 5, 5, 4, or 5 years old.'},\n {'end_time': '41:32', 'start_time': '41:28', 'text': 'He had a lock lock.'},\n {'end_time': '41:35', 'start_time': '41:33', 'text': 'He had a thread tied to the hook of the lock.'},\n {'end_time': '41:43', 'start_time': '41:37', 'text': 'He had at regular interval hooks of the thread come like loops coming out, knots.'},\n {'end_time': '41:48', 'start_time': '41:44', 'text': 'In that, he put few grains of rice.'},\n {'end_time': '41:54', 'start_time': '41:49', 'text': 'Took it off our bucket rice, and few kids gave him worms.'},\n {'end_time': '41:55', 'start_time': '41:55', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '41:59', 'start_time': '41:55', 'text': \"So do say I didn't know what exactly he was doing with that.\"},\n {'end_time': '42:00', 'start_time': '41:59', 'text': 'Later on, I found out.'},\n {'end_time': '42:08', 'start_time': '42:02', 'text': \"He's throwing the lock right into the water, And then he's pulling it, pulling it, pulling it.\"},\n {'end_time': '42:13', 'start_time': '42:09', 'text': \"So there's a fish called in the river Nile.\"},\n {'end_time': '42:20', 'start_time': '42:15', 'text': 'So I saw him for almost two and a half hours.'},\n {'end_time': '42:24', 'start_time': '42:21', 'text': 'That was a route which was once the war war began.'},\n {'end_time': '42:29', 'start_time': '42:24', 'text': 'So the inland, roads were almost blocked.'},\n {'end_time': '42:36', 'start_time': '42:29', 'text': 'So it was the waterways through which, through which the world food program used to get the food and everything to these barges, the ships.'},\n {'end_time': '42:43', 'start_time': '42:37', 'text': 'So I just went and I saw and I called him.'},\n {'end_time': '42:44', 'start_time': '42:43', 'text': 'Like, what are you doing?'},\n {'end_time': '42:48', 'start_time': '42:44', 'text': \"He said, I'm arranging for food for myself.\"},\n {'end_time': '42:50', 'start_time': '42:49', 'text': \"It's a very appearance.\"},\n {'end_time': '42:52', 'start_time': '42:51', 'text': \"So he said they're dead.\"},\n {'end_time': '42:53', 'start_time': '42:52', 'text': 'So I said, who are you with?'},\n {'end_time': '42:56', 'start_time': '42:53', 'text': 'Kathy, these are my group of friends with no parents.'},\n {'end_time': '42:59', 'start_time': '42:57', 'text': 'So I said, so how do you manage?'},\n {'end_time': '43:02', 'start_time': '43:00', 'text': 'So he said, we listen to our boss.'},\n {'end_time': '43:06', 'start_time': '43:03', 'text': \"So that's one elder kid compared to others.\"},\n {'end_time': '43:07', 'start_time': '43:06', 'text': 'How In age.'},\n {'end_time': '43:09', 'start_time': '43:07', 'text': 'Probably 7 or 8 year old.'},\n {'end_time': '43:10', 'start_time': '43:09', 'text': 'Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '43:12', 'start_time': '43:10', 'text': 'Just a bunch of small kids.'},\n {'end_time': '43:16', 'start_time': '43:13', 'text': 'And they get something.'},\n {'end_time': '43:18', 'start_time': '43:16', 'text': \"They that's their food.\"},\n {'end_time': '43:20', 'start_time': '43:18', 'text': \"And they're also taught how to use weapons.\"},\n {'end_time': '43:28', 'start_time': '43:22', 'text': 'The child soldiers were probably 8 or 9 years plus of age.'},\n {'end_time': '43:32', 'start_time': '43:30', 'text': 'Probably they knew how to use it.'},\n {'end_time': '43:33', 'start_time': '43:32', 'text': 'That is why they were carrying the A case.'},\n {'end_time': '43:46', 'start_time': '43:35', 'text': 'You know, as a young officer of the Indian Army, you know, you always are full of Josh and Jasbaj and, you know, your end to about okay.'},\n {'end_time': '43:48', 'start_time': '43:46', 'text': \"Let's get this on, and I wanna see combat and all.\"},\n {'end_time': '44:06', 'start_time': '43:48', 'text': 'And trust me, I I at times, you know, when I sit back and I think I think I wished a bit too much, which I repent because these are the memories which are edged into my mind till the day I die.'},\n {'end_time': '44:08', 'start_time': '44:06', 'text': 'Are you still healing from them?'},\n {'end_time': '44:09', 'start_time': '44:08', 'text': \"It's not about healing.\"},\n {'end_time': '44:19', 'start_time': '44:09', 'text': \"It's about, as a warrior, I feel we were destined by God to experience this.\"},\n {'end_time': '44:26', 'start_time': '44:20', 'text': \"It has made us mentally more strong and robust, and I don't see any healing aspect in it.\"},\n {'end_time': '44:29', 'start_time': '44:26', 'text': 'I see lot of learning aspect in it.'},\n {'end_time': '44:29', 'start_time': '44:29', 'text': 'What did you learn?'},\n {'end_time': '44:32', 'start_time': '44:30', 'text': 'I learned life is unforgiving.'},\n {'end_time': '44:34', 'start_time': '44:33', 'text': 'Survival of the fittest.'},\n {'end_time': '44:45', 'start_time': '44:37', 'text': \"If you don't make a move, either like termites, the system will eat you up.\"},\n {'end_time': '44:46', 'start_time': '44:45', 'text': \"You'll be finished.\"},\n {'end_time': '44:50', 'start_time': '44:47', 'text': 'Else, you make the first move and save yourself.'},\n {'end_time': '44:57', 'start_time': '44:51', 'text': \"If you don't make a move, the other person is gonna make a move, and your head is gonna be on the table.\"},\n {'end_time': '45:04', 'start_time': '44:58', 'text': \"So, you know, Katana, it's better to you sweat and bleed in peace.\"},\n {'end_time': '45:08', 'start_time': '45:05', 'text': 'Well, I mean, you sweat more in peace so that you bleed less in war.'},\n {'end_time': '45:25', 'start_time': '45:09', 'text': \"So for us as infantarians, you know, it's, during training, it's sweat and even bleed for us during peace because that fear factor you can't live with.\"},\n {'end_time': '45:26', 'start_time': '45:25', 'text': 'You gotta live without fear.'},\n {'end_time': '45:31', 'start_time': '45:27', 'text': 'So without fear.'},\n {'end_time': '45:38', 'start_time': '45:31', 'text': 'I mean, the thing that pushes a human mind to face fear is fear itself.'},\n {'end_time': '45:41', 'start_time': '45:39', 'text': \"So that is 1 it's an antidote.\"},\n {'end_time': '45:48', 'start_time': '45:43', 'text': 'COVID virus which was injected into us.'},\n {'end_time': '45:52', 'start_time': '45:49', 'text': 'So to overcome fear, you have to face fear.'},\n {'end_time': '45:53', 'start_time': '45:52', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '45:57', 'start_time': '45:54', 'text': \"Well, we've had a very, very intense conversation right now.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:05', 'start_time': '45:57', 'text': \"This is one of the conversations where I've spoken the least because I could just feel the things you were saying, and I didn't want to stop you anyway.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:08', 'start_time': '46:05', 'text': 'I just wanted you to talk about the truth on the show.'},\n {'end_time': '46:10', 'start_time': '46:08', 'text': \"I think that's what people got to know.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:14', 'start_time': '46:11', 'text': \"It's very important that stories like this are exposed to the public.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:22', 'start_time': '46:15', 'text': \"We didn't have access to these stories when I was in college, when I was in school, and I feel like more people need to know the greatness of our military armed forces.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:25', 'start_time': '46:22', 'text': \"So on behalf of the youth, I'd say thank you for your service.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:25', 'start_time': '46:25', 'text': 'Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '46:27', 'start_time': '46:25', 'text': 'Really appreciate you Thank you, Jay.'},\n {'end_time': '46:27', 'start_time': '46:27', 'text': 'Opening up.'},\n {'end_time': '46:28', 'start_time': '46:27', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '46:34', 'start_time': '46:29', 'text': \"On On a personal level, I'm proud to be talking to you for such a long time that you gave me so much of your time, sir.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:38', 'start_time': '46:35', 'text': 'I do feel there are many more conversations yet to be had with you.'},\n {'end_time': '46:39', 'start_time': '46:38', 'text': 'Definitely.'},\n {'end_time': '46:43', 'start_time': '46:39', 'text': 'But seriously, thank you for everything, and thank you for this conversation.'},\n {'end_time': '46:44', 'start_time': '46:43', 'text': \"Means you're welcome.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:45', 'start_time': '46:44', 'text': \"You're welcome, Ranveer.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:50', 'start_time': '46:45', 'text': \"And I have a lot of messages for the youth, but probably we'll do it.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:50', 'start_time': '46:50', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '46:53', 'start_time': '46:51', 'text': \"You're going to get a flood of DMs.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:56', 'start_time': '46:53', 'text': 'You know, I mean, direct messages on your Instagram and all that.'},\n {'end_time': '46:57', 'start_time': '46:56', 'text': 'Uh-huh.'},\n {'end_time': '47:01', 'start_time': '46:58', 'text': \"I mean, you gotta push yourself then it's gonna happen.\"},\n {'end_time': '47:06', 'start_time': '47:01', 'text': \"And moreover, not today's youth, needs to be guided, you know.\"},\n {'end_time': '47:09', 'start_time': '47:06', 'text': 'Like the Agni Vir, project project, you know.'},\n {'end_time': '47:11', 'start_time': '47:10', 'text': \"It's practical.\"},\n {'end_time': '47:13', 'start_time': '47:12', 'text': 'It is logical.'},\n {'end_time': '47:14', 'start_time': '47:13', 'text': 'Yes, sir.'},\n {'end_time': '47:27', 'start_time': '47:14', 'text': \"I mean, you know, you're gonna get the cream into the forces because that lethargy element is going to be taken out, You know, that lack of acitical, thing, you know, mindset.\"},\n {'end_time': '47:29', 'start_time': '47:28', 'text': \"That's all gonna be negated.\"},\n {'end_time': '47:30', 'start_time': '47:29', 'text': 'Yep.'},\n {'end_time': '47:37', 'start_time': '47:30', 'text': \"Here, you're gonna get boys who mean business, who do well, will shine well.\"},\n {'end_time': '47:43', 'start_time': '47:37', 'text': \"They'll get promoted on time, and they're going to do justice to, not at a big maker.\"},\n {'end_time': '47:51', 'start_time': '47:43', 'text': \"But, you know, the government you know, there's a limit to the load and pressure of what it can take.\"},\n {'end_time': '47:53', 'start_time': '47:52', 'text': 'Look at the size.'},\n {'end_time': '47:57', 'start_time': '47:53', 'text': \"We're the 2nd most populated country in the world.\"},\n {'end_time': '47:57', 'start_time': '47:57', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '48:05', 'start_time': '47:58', 'text': 'Expect that you expect the economy to be thriving and doing amazingly well.'},\n {'end_time': '48:10', 'start_time': '48:06', 'text': 'But on the same lines, you want facilities also.'},\n {'end_time': '48:15', 'start_time': '48:11', 'text': 'So where is the government going to make the savings?'},\n {'end_time': '48:19', 'start_time': '48:15', 'text': 'Where is the government going to make the gains?'},\n {'end_time': '48:27', 'start_time': '48:20', 'text': 'I mean, you know, you go to you know, ask not what the nation can do for you, but, what you can do for the nation first.'},\n {'end_time': '48:34', 'start_time': '48:28', 'text': 'To pale a unconditional contribution attitude join the project.'},\n {'end_time': '48:45', 'start_time': '48:36', 'text': 'The government has put its mind and soul into it, has put in good logic into it, and the youth is going to get a good direction.'},\n {'end_time': '48:48', 'start_time': '48:46', 'text': 'Society is going to become more refined.'},\n {'end_time': '48:57', 'start_time': '48:49', 'text': '75 percent They will be, adjusted into the other forces.'},\n {'end_time': '49:10', 'start_time': '48:57', 'text': \"So you can imagine you're going to get skilled soldiers who would be, situationally be more aware, who will be well cultured, well mannered.\"},\n {'end_time': '49:12', 'start_time': '49:11', 'text': \"There'll be more of gentlemen.\"},\n {'end_time': '49:15', 'start_time': '49:13', 'text': \"There'll be more respect to the ladies in the society.\"},\n {'end_time': '49:20', 'start_time': '49:16', 'text': 'Or environment of, that being safe is is will be there.'},\n {'end_time': '49:21', 'start_time': '49:20', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '49:22', 'start_time': '49:21', 'text': 'Like, how it is in Israel.'},\n {'end_time': '49:23', 'start_time': '49:22', 'text': 'You know, the conscripts.'},\n {'end_time': '49:24', 'start_time': '49:24', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '49:28', 'start_time': '49:24', 'text': 'They go in for mandatory service, who do well carry on.'},\n {'end_time': '49:38', 'start_time': '49:28', 'text': 'Otherwise, those who who wish to, who are not taken into the, forces get into the civil society and are doing decently well.'},\n {'end_time': '49:39', 'start_time': '49:39', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '49:47', 'start_time': '49:39', 'text': 'So definitely, the civil arena is not going to overlook them or exploit their skill set by giving them low salaries.'},\n {'end_time': '49:50', 'start_time': '49:48', 'text': 'They will be imbibed and absorbed in the society.'},\n {'end_time': '49:53', 'start_time': '49:51', 'text': 'The standard of society is going to go up.'},\n {'end_time': '50:06', 'start_time': '49:54', 'text': \"So I'm a logic, though, keep wise, project being criticized whereas the it's good to upgrade the, the character of the youth.\"},\n {'end_time': '50:10', 'start_time': '50:06', 'text': \"It's gonna make them more refined, more gentlemanly, well trained.\"},\n {'end_time': '50:17', 'start_time': '50:10', 'text': \"And in an emergency, wherever a country requires more troops at any given point of time, it's just gonna be announcement.\"},\n {'end_time': '50:22', 'start_time': '50:18', 'text': 'And these troops are battle ready and onto the front and ready to face.'},\n {'end_time': '50:34', 'start_time': '50:22', 'text': \"So probably even the enemy wouldn't be able to comply or put logical statistical data So this is gonna boost everything in a tremendous manner.\"},\n {'end_time': '50:37', 'start_time': '50:34', 'text': 'So, you know, this is a futuristic concept.'},\n {'end_time': '50:41', 'start_time': '50:38', 'text': 'And if you go to move on, you go to accept changes.'},\n {'end_time': '50:42', 'start_time': '50:41', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '50:43', 'start_time': '50:42', 'text': \"You can't be rigid.\"},\n {'end_time': '50:43', 'start_time': '50:43', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '50:47', 'start_time': '50:44', 'text': \"So wherever we're heading, we're heading in a very correct direction.\"},\n {'end_time': '50:56', 'start_time': '50:48', 'text': 'And, probably we are going to discuss the current affairs aspect in terms of warfare, urban warfare, and everything.'},\n {'end_time': '50:58', 'start_time': '50:57', 'text': 'So yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '51:01', 'start_time': '50:58', 'text': \"So that's how things are gonna move forward, you see.\"},\n {'end_time': '51:02', 'start_time': '51:02', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '51:05', 'start_time': '51:02', 'text': 'Learned a lot from you on this one conversation.'},\n {'end_time': '51:06', 'start_time': '51:05', 'text': 'Looking forward to more.'},\n {'end_time': '51:07', 'start_time': '51:07', 'text': \"That's what I'll say.\"},\n {'end_time': '51:08', 'start_time': '51:07', 'text': 'Thank you, sir.'},\n {'end_time': '51:09', 'start_time': '51:08', 'text': \"You're welcome, Jayant.\"},\n {'end_time': '51:11', 'start_time': '51:10', 'text': 'Cool.'},\n {'end_time': '51:15', 'start_time': '51:12', 'text': 'That was the military special of this month.'},\n {'end_time': '51:21', 'start_time': '51:15', 'text': \"We've decided internally to always have these military specials released on the podcast every single month.\"},\n {'end_time': '51:25', 'start_time': '51:21', 'text': \"If you're not following a Hindi podcast, I strongly suggest you go follow it.\"},\n 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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:05", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "Kargil war, one of the greatest wars in all of Indian history." }, { "end_time": "0:08", "start_time": "0:05", "text": "Today's episode is a first hand account of the Kargil war." }, { "end_time": "0:11", "start_time": "0:09", "text": "Thanks to colonel Krishnan Srinivasan." }, { "end_time": "0:23", "start_time": "0:12", "text": "Without elaborating much on this particular episode, what I will say is that army episodes are the most exciting PRS episodes, and this is one of the most exciting army episodes that we've recorded." }, { "end_time": "0:26", "start_time": "0:24", "text": "Remember to follow the RMB Show on Spotify." }, { "end_time": "0:33", "start_time": "0:26", "text": "We're Spotify exclusive now, which means that every episode is available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world." }, { "end_time": "0:38", "start_time": "0:33", "text": "And without further ado, this is Colonel Krishnan Srinivasan's story." }, { "end_time": "0:39", "start_time": "0:38", "text": "Enjoy yourselves." }, { "end_time": "0:59", "start_time": "0:56", "text": "Krishna and Srinivasan, honor having you on the show, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:00", "start_time": "0:59", "text": "A pleasure." }, { "end_time": "1:05", "start_time": "1:00", "text": "I think entirely my pleasure to having a chat up with you." }, { "end_time": "1:08", "start_time": "1:05", "text": "Been seeing you on, the screen so often." }, { "end_time": "1:11", "start_time": "1:08", "text": "So I guess now it's live for the first time." }, { "end_time": "1:16", "start_time": "1:11", "text": "For an army veteran to say that to me really ticks some of my egoistic personal career boxes." }, { "end_time": "1:26", "start_time": "1:17", "text": "But, so with this podcast, these army conversations are the ones I look forward to the most and I'm dead sure it's the conversations that the audience looks forward to the most." }, { "end_time": "1:28", "start_time": "1:26", "text": "I am looking forward to it too." }, { "end_time": "1:32", "start_time": "1:28", "text": "And, let's see how it goes and, how far does it reach?" }, { "end_time": "1:32", "start_time": "1:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:41", "start_time": "1:33", "text": "So, so I'm sure, you'd be familiar that in pop culture, we don't see too many movies about the Indian army." }, { "end_time": "1:44", "start_time": "1:41", "text": "We see a lot more movies about the American army." }, { "end_time": "1:48", "start_time": "1:45", "text": "And I think captain Raghu actually told me that I know you worked with captain Raghu." }, { "end_time": "1:48", "start_time": "1:48", "text": "Yeah, I did." }, { "end_time": "1:53", "start_time": "1:48", "text": "He said that maybe the one thing the Indian army is trying to work on nowadays is the branding of it in the public eye." }, { "end_time": "1:56", "start_time": "1:54", "text": "You know, that's, that's the kind of, that's right." }, { "end_time": "1:59", "start_time": "1:56", "text": "That's the box that people are trying to take lately." }, { "end_time": "2:07", "start_time": "1:59", "text": "And I'm glad that, you know, through YouTube and through this podcasting platform, we're kind of aiding the army in that, with that, situation." }, { "end_time": "2:11", "start_time": "2:08", "text": "So, but specifically recently there was a movie called Shersha." }, { "end_time": "2:11", "start_time": "2:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:18", "start_time": "2:11", "text": "Which, I'm sure, you know, you've heard of, it's about 1 captain Vikram Batra." }, { "end_time": "2:22", "start_time": "2:18", "text": "I'm getting goose pimples because it's just not heard." }, { "end_time": "2:24", "start_time": "2:22", "text": "Let me say that I was there." }, { "end_time": "2:25", "start_time": "2:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:33", "start_time": "2:25", "text": "So, so this conversation specifically, while we've done a lot of army conversations on the show, we've never had one just about the Cargill war." }, { "end_time": "2:38", "start_time": "2:34", "text": "And, you know, we've seen Shersha we've seen movies like LOD cargo." }, { "end_time": "2:39", "start_time": "2:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:44", "start_time": "2:39", "text": "You only understand the reality about the army up to a certain point." }, { "end_time": "2:48", "start_time": "2:44", "text": "When, when you're an amateur, when you're a civilian, you understand it through movies." }, { "end_time": "2:54", "start_time": "2:50", "text": "We've not had podcasts like this till 2020, 2021, sir." }, { "end_time": "2:57", "start_time": "2:54", "text": "So I want, I want this episode to be kind of an inside look." }, { "end_time": "2:59", "start_time": "2:57", "text": "Like what does an army man feel?" }, { "end_time": "3:06", "start_time": "2:59", "text": "When, when there's a, you know, war just around the corner when there's such a historic war just around the corner." }, { "end_time": "3:07", "start_time": "3:06", "text": "All right." }, { "end_time": "3:07", "start_time": "3:07", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "3:11", "start_time": "3:08", "text": "Let me just put this, in a disclaimer." }, { "end_time": "3:23", "start_time": "3:11", "text": "I haven't seen any of these movies and, I've just refused to see them because I feel there's, nothing more than actually having been in it live." }, { "end_time": "3:33", "start_time": "3:24", "text": "I don't need somebody else to, you know, tell me what happened because, I've been through it right from the beginning till the end, you know?" }, { "end_time": "3:44", "start_time": "3:34", "text": "So, yeah, this is the time when, I was, commanding my unit and, we were deployed, in the Valley as close to a place called Baramulla." }, { "end_time": "3:54", "start_time": "3:46", "text": "And, the one fine day we were, I just got a call from the headquarters, saying, Krish, how many vehicles do you need?" }, { "end_time": "3:58", "start_time": "3:55", "text": "And that's how the whole thing, you know, sort of jolted me." }, { "end_time": "3:59", "start_time": "3:58", "text": "I said, so for what?" }, { "end_time": "4:02", "start_time": "4:00", "text": "So he says you still haven't got your orders." }, { "end_time": "4:03", "start_time": "4:02", "text": "It's as I said, no." }, { "end_time": "4:06", "start_time": "4:03", "text": "He said your commander will speak to you and then let me know." }, { "end_time": "4:14", "start_time": "4:07", "text": "And that's when, things sort of, you know, just shook me up and, we were all in the mess, waiting to have our lunch." }, { "end_time": "4:17", "start_time": "4:14", "text": "And, obviously with me, with my team out there." }, { "end_time": "4:33", "start_time": "4:18", "text": "And, this was in the early part of May 99 when, the rest of the world really did not even know that something amiss, had happened or was happening, further up in Cargill." }, { "end_time": "4:38", "start_time": "4:34", "text": "So, yeah, that's when, things actually, started for me." }, { "end_time": "4:57", "start_time": "4:38", "text": "And, we were one of the, initial units, that got moved into the sector, at that point in time, basically as some kind of, you know, immediate, reinforcements to go and then plug the, you know, loopholes that were there and, you know, beef up the deployment." }, { "end_time": "5:01", "start_time": "4:57", "text": "And we are still trying to gauge exactly what was happening out there." }, { "end_time": "5:04", "start_time": "5:01", "text": "And, that's how I got sort of, moved." }, { "end_time": "5:09", "start_time": "5:04", "text": "And that's a very, unique story in itself by then." }, { "end_time": "5:15", "start_time": "5:09", "text": "So at this point, what was your thought process versus what do you think the unit's thought process was as a whole?" }, { "end_time": "5:16", "start_time": "5:16", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "5:18", "start_time": "5:17", "text": "Let me put it this way." }, { "end_time": "5:21", "start_time": "5:19", "text": "My unit was a Russian rifles unit." }, { "end_time": "5:32", "start_time": "5:22", "text": "Now, the organization, the structure, the training, the equipment of a Russian rifles unit is basically for counterinsurgency and that kind of a thing." }, { "end_time": "5:44", "start_time": "5:33", "text": "So what is counterinsurgency for the Now, basically, I mean, it is your, talking of, the elements, who are, you know, picking up arms against the nation." }, { "end_time": "5:47", "start_time": "5:44", "text": "You know, that's really what, insurgency is about." }, { "end_time": "5:48", "start_time": "5:47", "text": "Am I allowed to say the word?" }, { "end_time": "5:48", "start_time": "5:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:48", "start_time": "5:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:50", "start_time": "5:48", "text": "It's counter terrorism." }, { "end_time": "5:51", "start_time": "5:50", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "5:51", "start_time": "5:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:03", "start_time": "5:51", "text": "The, next level of insurgency would be terrorism where the mode of, you know, putting a message across, you know, is something more dramatic and that's how, you know, terrorism comes." }, { "end_time": "6:12", "start_time": "6:03", "text": "So initially in those days, the, when we used to be, talking about it, it was more in the form of what they used to call as an A and E, you know, anti national elements." }, { "end_time": "6:13", "start_time": "6:13", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "6:25", "start_time": "6:13", "text": "So in the way insurgents and A and E's and what have you and the terrorism was a term that got coined a little later, as I know the enormity of it, you know, sort of, sunken." }, { "end_time": "6:44", "start_time": "6:26", "text": "So, like I was saying, you know, my unit was not really geared up for, a move in this classical sense, because when you are, deployed in a counterinsurgency, you know, grid, as you say, you have these bases all over and where you have pockets, which you're occupying and you dominate that area around." }, { "end_time": "6:46", "start_time": "6:44", "text": "So that's how it is." }, { "end_time": "6:55", "start_time": "6:48", "text": "I don't think there was any time in the history of the Russian refills where a unit was asked to upstick overnight and then move to another sector." }, { "end_time": "7:00", "start_time": "6:56", "text": "So, that itself was, you know, traumatic in that sense." }, { "end_time": "7:09", "start_time": "7:01", "text": "Second thing is we weren't too sure as what exactly was happening and what is it that we were, expected to go and do out there?" }, { "end_time": "7:16", "start_time": "7:10", "text": "All that they, I was told is that, there's, I mean, there's some risks, you know, in the air." }, { "end_time": "7:18", "start_time": "7:16", "text": "There's some problem, up there." }, { "end_time": "7:21", "start_time": "7:18", "text": "And, so that that's all we had." }, { "end_time": "7:22", "start_time": "7:21", "text": "And so I was told that you go there." }, { "end_time": "7:25", "start_time": "7:22", "text": "So, I still remember asking my commander." }, { "end_time": "7:27", "start_time": "7:25", "text": "I said, so whom do I go in and report to?" }, { "end_time": "7:32", "start_time": "7:27", "text": "I mean, if I have to go there, I gotta then, go and tell, and announce my presence to somebody." }, { "end_time": "7:35", "start_time": "7:33", "text": "He says, we ourselves don't know who's where." }, { "end_time": "7:42", "start_time": "7:35", "text": "So he says, you just keep going along this road and moment you first, I mean, you come across the 1st headquarter of that." }, { "end_time": "7:46", "start_time": "7:42", "text": "You just go and then plonk yourself and then, you know, they will take it from there." }, { "end_time": "7:48", "start_time": "7:46", "text": "So that's literally what had happened." }, { "end_time": "8:02", "start_time": "7:49", "text": "And, the, so overnight we had to move and, I had, you know, almost over a 1,000, men, you know, standard, Russian rebels battalion has about 1200 men." }, { "end_time": "8:07", "start_time": "8:03", "text": "And obviously there would have been people away on leave and, other kinds of commitments." }, { "end_time": "8:11", "start_time": "8:07", "text": "So we would be less less than 1,000 odd guys whom I had to move, literally overnight." }, { "end_time": "8:14", "start_time": "8:12", "text": "And I was going 24 hours to move." }, { "end_time": "8:20", "start_time": "8:14", "text": "And, you know, our deployment is such we were spread into the interiors of the Baramulla district." }, { "end_time": "8:28", "start_time": "8:20", "text": "And so to pull them down and then, you know, get them onto the road and and then, you know, load up the vehicles and go, it would have taken a little bit of time." }, { "end_time": "8:31", "start_time": "8:28", "text": "So I think this is what the agenda doesn't understand about the army." }, { "end_time": "8:32", "start_time": "8:31", "text": "So much of it is logistics." }, { "end_time": "8:32", "start_time": "8:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:33", "start_time": "8:32", "text": "It it is." }, { "end_time": "8:35", "start_time": "8:33", "text": "There is a difference about logistics." }, { "end_time": "8:35", "start_time": "8:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:41", "start_time": "8:35", "text": "And, we had I don't I think captain Raghu actually mentioned on the podcast that war is one or lost based on logistics." }, { "end_time": "8:43", "start_time": "8:42", "text": "I I would agree with that." }, { "end_time": "8:44", "start_time": "8:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:55", "start_time": "8:44", "text": "Because, I mean, ultimately, a soldier can do what he can do, but then if he doesn't have the ammunition to, you know, respond to a fire, I mean, he's a sitting duck literally then." }, { "end_time": "8:57", "start_time": "8:55", "text": "I'm guessing all the food or the backup." }, { "end_time": "8:58", "start_time": "8:57", "text": "Are the food okay?" }, { "end_time": "8:58", "start_time": "8:58", "text": "Fine." }, { "end_time": "9:01", "start_time": "8:58", "text": "You can still survive for a couple of days without food, you know?" }, { "end_time": "9:07", "start_time": "9:01", "text": "At at the heat of the moment when you are in battle, nobody thinks of hunger or thirst or something of that sort." }, { "end_time": "9:15", "start_time": "9:08", "text": "And of course, it'll bring me to another, you know, a very, interesting anecdote when you're talking about the food when we, went in out there." }, { "end_time": "9:19", "start_time": "9:15", "text": "I hope I remember when I come to that part of the story." }, { "end_time": "9:25", "start_time": "9:20", "text": "So so the I mean, literally it was that, you know, which of the the company bases which are closer to the road." }, { "end_time": "9:25", "start_time": "9:25", "text": "I said, okay." }, { "end_time": "9:27", "start_time": "9:25", "text": "You guys are the 1st flock to move." }, { "end_time": "9:30", "start_time": "9:28", "text": "The others will move in 24 hours later." }, { "end_time": "9:34", "start_time": "9:31", "text": "And, I just, told my senior most, community monitor." }, { "end_time": "9:43", "start_time": "9:34", "text": "I said, you take the first half of the, convoy and then, I'll follow-up with the second half of the convoy because we couldn't have gone in one whole, group." }, { "end_time": "9:51", "start_time": "9:44", "text": "And, yeah, 24 hours later, we just wound up and then, the question then came is, you know, how do you sort of fill up the vacuum?" }, { "end_time": "9:56", "start_time": "9:51", "text": "I know by, us, moving out from there, there would have been a vacuum created in there." }, { "end_time": "10:06", "start_time": "9:56", "text": "So the neighboring units were told, you know, you just come in and then, you know, just try and spread out a little bit and then occupy as much of the area and look after it in one of our sense that it was." }, { "end_time": "10:11", "start_time": "10:06", "text": "So first for an absolute amateur listener, we have a lot of Gen Z listeners." }, { "end_time": "10:17", "start_time": "10:11", "text": "You're born after the year 2000, who probably don't know much about the Cargill war situation anyway." }, { "end_time": "10:21", "start_time": "10:17", "text": "So if you could very briefly explain the geopolitical scenario, what had happened?" }, { "end_time": "10:27", "start_time": "10:21", "text": "What had caused the Cargill war in terms of what set off these events and what was the whole war about?" }, { "end_time": "10:28", "start_time": "10:27", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "10:41", "start_time": "10:29", "text": "Kargil actually was, if I would, say a little bit of, mischief played by the, then, Pakistani army chief, general Barvez Musharraf." }, { "end_time": "10:52", "start_time": "10:42", "text": "Because just before that, you know, we had the, then prime minister of India, mister Bajpai, meet with the, you know, Pakistani, prime minister, Nawa Sharif." }, { "end_time": "10:55", "start_time": "10:52", "text": "And that was all bonhomie, around there." }, { "end_time": "11:09", "start_time": "10:56", "text": "And, Musharraf, tried to take advantage of, that, you know, slight possibly easing off and the, friendliness friendliness that was prevalent at that time, to basically prove a point." }, { "end_time": "11:21", "start_time": "11:09", "text": "And, what came out, much later was, that, even the Pakistani prime minister was taken by surprise by all this, scheme that, General Musharraf had worked out." }, { "end_time": "11:32", "start_time": "11:21", "text": "So his basic intention was to cut off, you know, this part of, the North of Zuzila and cut off the, you know, lay cargo sector entirely by interdicting the highway." }, { "end_time": "11:41", "start_time": "11:33", "text": "And, then would probably, you know, find a solution for the Kashmir's problem in a different, you know, method that he was probably, trying to adopt." }, { "end_time": "11:43", "start_time": "11:41", "text": "Kind of trying to snatch Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:50", "start_time": "11:43", "text": "So I'm gonna snatch and then, you know, because, you see, all these areas are, snowbound, during the winters." }, { "end_time": "12:01", "start_time": "11:50", "text": "And it's only around in May, June that the, roads, kind of sort of open up, you know, and we were probably one of the first convoys to cross Zuzila, which is snowbound." }, { "end_time": "12:06", "start_time": "12:01", "text": "And so, traditionally, you know, all the traffic in the winters come to a standstill." }, { "end_time": "12:12", "start_time": "12:06", "text": "And, you know, that's why you all these units which are in Kargil and all, they have what we call as a winter stocking, you know." }, { "end_time": "12:22", "start_time": "12:12", "text": "They're stocked up for, you know, food and fuel and, you know, everything else that, you need administratively so that you can take care of yourself, during the winters." }, { "end_time": "12:24", "start_time": "12:22", "text": "There were no mobile phones in those days." }, { "end_time": "12:25", "start_time": "12:24", "text": "I mean, they were nonexistent." }, { "end_time": "12:45", "start_time": "12:25", "text": "So you were only on the, you know, radio sets and VHF communication and, you know, moving in and, the you know, because, you know, we had this, STD booths, you know, that that was a big thing in those days, you know, where you would, go and then then dial in and then pay up your numb you know, whatever billing that used to come." }, { "end_time": "12:47", "start_time": "12:45", "text": "So those are the only means of communications you had." }, { "end_time": "12:52", "start_time": "12:47", "text": "And so we, moved into, Zozilla." }, { "end_time": "13:09", "start_time": "12:52", "text": "We crossed Zozilla and we were probably one of the first few convoys that crossed Zozilla in the summers and, we came down, Zozilla and, that is when the the first convoy of mine, which we had a 24 hours lead time, I wasn't be able to communicate with them." }, { "end_time": "13:15", "start_time": "13:09", "text": "And, they had, and I, I know whether to call it a horror story or something of that sort." }, { "end_time": "13:24", "start_time": "13:15", "text": "But then, yeah, I mean, this is the first time, that, you know, many of us actually, experienced, you know, live artillery shelling on you." }, { "end_time": "13:25", "start_time": "13:24", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "13:31", "start_time": "13:25", "text": "Now traditionally, what happens is, you know, along the line of control, we've been always having these commercials with, the Pakistanis." }, { "end_time": "13:35", "start_time": "13:31", "text": "And, they're mostly restricted to small arms exchanges." }, { "end_time": "13:36", "start_time": "13:35", "text": "You mean bullets?" }, { "end_time": "13:37", "start_time": "13:36", "text": "Bullets." }, { "end_time": "13:37", "start_time": "13:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:40", "start_time": "13:37", "text": "Used to file rifles and machine guns and things like that." }, { "end_time": "13:50", "start_time": "13:40", "text": "Those things that we've been having, even in the eighties when we were deployed out there, we used to keep having these, you know, skirmishes with them and more of exchange of fire that goes on." }, { "end_time": "13:59", "start_time": "13:52", "text": "Rarely did it sort of escalate to, you know, the heavier weapons, which is what the artillery is supposed to be." }, { "end_time": "14:03", "start_time": "13:59", "text": "So here we were, actually at the receiving end of the artillery." }, { "end_time": "14:19", "start_time": "14:04", "text": "And, you know, in terms of training, we have a process, that you are put through, you know, what's known as a battle inoculation, you know, where the, sound and feel of actually being under live fire, you experience, that." }, { "end_time": "14:30", "start_time": "14:20", "text": "But then, you know, for all the experience that you might have had, in terms of, battle inoculation to be under live fire is a totally different kind of an experience." }, { "end_time": "14:35", "start_time": "14:31", "text": "So could you also just, again, for the listeners, explain what artillery fire is?" }, { "end_time": "14:37", "start_time": "14:35", "text": "Artillery fire is okay." }, { "end_time": "14:41", "start_time": "14:37", "text": "It's basically, very heavy shell of, explosives." }, { "end_time": "14:43", "start_time": "14:41", "text": "Like a modern day cannon?" }, { "end_time": "14:44", "start_time": "14:43", "text": "I I I'm cool." }, { "end_time": "14:44", "start_time": "14:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:47", "start_time": "14:44", "text": "It's a much more upgraded version of a cannon." }, { "end_time": "14:52", "start_time": "14:47", "text": "And, you have, you know, ranges that goes to about 40 kilometers or so." }, { "end_time": "14:55", "start_time": "14:52", "text": "And, it is, you know, a weapon that fires on a high trajectory." }, { "end_time": "15:01", "start_time": "14:55", "text": "So it's able to go over the hills and the mountains and then, you know, reach, it's designated, target area." }, { "end_time": "15:06", "start_time": "15:02", "text": "For the sake of bringing up the subject of 1, Ajay just wrote here." }, { "end_time": "15:12", "start_time": "15:06", "text": "He was a soldier who actually lost his life in, I think right before the Kargil war." }, { "end_time": "15:16", "start_time": "15:12", "text": "There's a scene in the movie where one of the bases is being attacked by artillery fire." }, { "end_time": "15:23", "start_time": "15:17", "text": "And that's where I think the armed and the gets to know the power of something like artillery fire as well." }, { "end_time": "15:27", "start_time": "15:23", "text": "And I think he had lost his life while saving, 6 other army men." }, { "end_time": "15:29", "start_time": "15:27", "text": "That's also shown in the movie." }, { "end_time": "15:29", "start_time": "15:29", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "15:35", "start_time": "15:30", "text": "So but when you are at the receiving end of it, how do you know it's begun?" }, { "end_time": "15:37", "start_time": "15:36", "text": "What's, what's the overall mood?" }, { "end_time": "15:43", "start_time": "15:37", "text": "Because I'm sure the soldier inside each of you all gets turned on your training gets turned on." }, { "end_time": "15:45", "start_time": "15:43", "text": "So, firstly, okay." }, { "end_time": "15:51", "start_time": "15:45", "text": "So what happened to was, moment where we were this entire moment of ours, across the Zuzela was by day." }, { "end_time": "16:02", "start_time": "15:51", "text": "But the moment we went to the other side, you know, across the hill and then came down, from Zuzela, we were told that, it, there's a, you know, sort of a holding kind of an area, the open space that is there." }, { "end_time": "16:03", "start_time": "16:02", "text": "We told you, you just park out here." }, { "end_time": "16:07", "start_time": "16:04", "text": "Here and after all moment is going to take place by night." }, { "end_time": "16:08", "start_time": "16:07", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "16:13", "start_time": "16:08", "text": "And for obvious reasons, the place was already under shelling by the Pakistanis." }, { "end_time": "16:19", "start_time": "16:13", "text": "And so, when you move in a convoy at night, the biggest challenge is there are no lights." }, { "end_time": "16:22", "start_time": "16:20", "text": "You're not allowed to use your headlights." }, { "end_time": "16:23", "start_time": "16:22", "text": "Alright?" }, { "end_time": "16:28", "start_time": "16:23", "text": "So you're literally feeling your way through darkness when you're going." }, { "end_time": "16:44", "start_time": "16:29", "text": "Now, the, guns, they also know that obviously by day or, if they are watching you in whatever way they, do, they can pick you as a target." }, { "end_time": "16:46", "start_time": "16:44", "text": "By night it's a little difficult." }, { "end_time": "16:57", "start_time": "16:47", "text": "So what they do in, at night, you know, it's almost like a, you know, pre planned kind of a productive fire where they know that these are the spots that they would possibly be on." }, { "end_time": "17:04", "start_time": "16:57", "text": "So at, you know, at intervals they'll keep plonking some shells on those areas at that target area." }, { "end_time": "17:13", "start_time": "17:04", "text": "Just hoping that they get somebody at that point in time, you know, because it's not a, you know, that you're viewing a target and tracking somebody and then targeting that person." }, { "end_time": "17:19", "start_time": "17:14", "text": "You just, you know, plonking shells out there and then seeing, you know, if you might just get hit lucky." }, { "end_time": "17:25", "start_time": "17:20", "text": "So we have to reach, that place." }, { "end_time": "17:27", "start_time": "17:25", "text": "And, this is the welcome we got at night." }, { "end_time": "17:31", "start_time": "17:27", "text": "The only, advantage I had was I was coming 24 hours later." }, { "end_time": "17:44", "start_time": "17:32", "text": "So my first group that went in the previous day, they experienced it firsthand and they were able to sort of forewarn me and tell me that this is what it is and, you have to do it." }, { "end_time": "17:46", "start_time": "17:44", "text": "So what what does the instinct tell you?" }, { "end_time": "17:51", "start_time": "17:46", "text": "The moment the shelling of that sort is, we try to move out of that area as quickly as possible." }, { "end_time": "17:52", "start_time": "17:51", "text": "That's one." }, { "end_time": "18:00", "start_time": "17:52", "text": "And the, other thing is, you know, this is all very very hilly terrain in a mountainous, not even hilly, I'd say, mountainous, terrain." }, { "end_time": "18:06", "start_time": "18:00", "text": "So what you do is, you know, when these shells, come in, there's a trajectory of the, artillery shells." }, { "end_time": "18:17", "start_time": "18:07", "text": "So if you go and hug the mountain side, literally, it's very less, chance of you getting hit by a direct shell." }, { "end_time": "18:26", "start_time": "18:17", "text": "Unless it's going to drop vertically 90 degrees, you know, then it's going to be, you know, we're very unlucky or a lucky shot for the other guy." }, { "end_time": "18:41", "start_time": "18:26", "text": "But the point is that, you tend to, you know, go and hug the, mountain side and then, you know, tuck yourself in whatever little gaps and spaces that are available so that you can then, you know, protect yourself from a direct, you know, hit in that sense." }, { "end_time": "18:43", "start_time": "18:41", "text": "How big is one explosion of that?" }, { "end_time": "18:44", "start_time": "18:43", "text": "I mean, okay." }, { "end_time": "18:52", "start_time": "18:44", "text": "I mean, it it did take you about, easily, one of the heavier shells will travel 20, 30 meters will, everything will be neutralized." }, { "end_time": "18:54", "start_time": "18:52", "text": "There's nothing that's going to be left to, out there." }, { "end_time": "19:00", "start_time": "18:54", "text": "And then of course, then the shrapnel and then all that will sort of spread over, a 100 of meters." }, { "end_time": "19:04", "start_time": "19:00", "text": "And if you're in a vehicle and all those things, you can get hit through and through that." }, { "end_time": "19:06", "start_time": "19:05", "text": "So those kinds of things." }, { "end_time": "19:08", "start_time": "19:06", "text": "And that's what also causes the, damage." }, { "end_time": "19:12", "start_time": "19:08", "text": "I reached Dras and that is where the headquarters, was." }, { "end_time": "19:21", "start_time": "19:12", "text": "That first headquarters that, we and then and then we were then told, you know, deploy yourself here, there, and, that whole areas, to be, covered." }, { "end_time": "19:33", "start_time": "19:21", "text": "And, the specific area that was given to me to cover was, a Valley called the Mushko Valley, which is emanating from, Dras because there was nobody out there." }, { "end_time": "19:38", "start_time": "19:33", "text": "And there was a suspicion that the intrusion that is taking place is probably headed that way." }, { "end_time": "19:44", "start_time": "19:38", "text": "And, Moscow is running parallel to this highway from Srinagar to Leh." }, { "end_time": "19:47", "start_time": "19:45", "text": "And, that's the target that they had." }, { "end_time": "19:54", "start_time": "19:48", "text": "And, the Ras comes on that way, on that particular part of the highway." }, { "end_time": "19:57", "start_time": "19:54", "text": "And that is where they were targeting everything." }, { "end_time": "20:04", "start_time": "19:58", "text": "And of course, now with hindsight, we later on as things develop, we got to know that they were sitting at Tolo Ling, which is just overlooking the Ras." }, { "end_time": "20:08", "start_time": "20:05", "text": "And that is where they were directing all the shelling from." }, { "end_time": "20:15", "start_time": "20:09", "text": "And, that's how we sort of got inducted and, you know, we reached out there in the night." }, { "end_time": "20:21", "start_time": "20:15", "text": "And the amazing part of it is, you know, the we are not geared up for a deployment of this kind." }, { "end_time": "20:24", "start_time": "20:21", "text": "We didn't have maps, of that area." }, { "end_time": "20:42", "start_time": "20:24", "text": "I still remember that moving from, Baramulla to Srinagar and onwards to, Adras, I picked up tourist maps, J and K tourist maps, and then, use them to sort of find my way up because at that stage, there were no maps of the area." }, { "end_time": "20:43", "start_time": "20:42", "text": "And then I reached the headquarters." }, { "end_time": "20:52", "start_time": "20:43", "text": "We literally had, you know, parts of the map photocopied and then given to us and then distributed around, for people to use as references." }, { "end_time": "21:13", "start_time": "20:53", "text": "And, they're like, I just, you know, today I was reading and they're like, anecdote to where, you know, children today, somebody commented, you know, I can't believe that you used, paper maps to, get guided by, you know, the days gone by because today you're so used to seeing, you know, the Google maps and, all such kind of aids." }, { "end_time": "21:15", "start_time": "21:13", "text": "They were non existent in those days." }, { "end_time": "21:21", "start_time": "21:15", "text": "I mean, the most you had, GPS trackers, like the Garmin and things of that sort, which are there." }, { "end_time": "21:24", "start_time": "21:22", "text": "And, there's nothing else to it." }, { "end_time": "21:32", "start_time": "21:25", "text": "So the point is, you know, we got inducted, literally, under fire and, we were blind in that sense." }, { "end_time": "21:38", "start_time": "21:32", "text": "I still remember, you know, if you look at, and we didn't know there's no no guides." }, { "end_time": "21:44", "start_time": "21:38", "text": "I mean, what what do you see on a on a photocopy sheet of a map and you're told that, you know, this is the general direction you go." }, { "end_time": "21:46", "start_time": "21:44", "text": "And when you're traveling by night, there's shelling going on." }, { "end_time": "21:47", "start_time": "21:46", "text": "There's no ambient light." }, { "end_time": "21:48", "start_time": "21:47", "text": "You can't switch on your headlights." }, { "end_time": "21:52", "start_time": "21:49", "text": "And how do you then identify that this is the route that I could need to take?" }, { "end_time": "21:54", "start_time": "21:52", "text": "Because there's no road that is marked out of there." }, { "end_time": "21:58", "start_time": "21:54", "text": "There's no no route markings or, you know, of anything of that sort." }, { "end_time": "22:07", "start_time": "21:59", "text": "So, I still remember I had my, medical officer who with me and then I had, you know, given him a few vehicles to command." }, { "end_time": "22:17", "start_time": "22:07", "text": "And then I said, you move on and I'm just following up after the little bit of briefing and, then we asked them, is it how they said the first Nala that comes on the left, you take get a road that is Mashkur Nala." }, { "end_time": "22:23", "start_time": "22:18", "text": "And, you know, if you see the map today, probably you'll probably see it." }, { "end_time": "22:28", "start_time": "22:23", "text": "He had gone into another Nala, which is the Sando Nala, I still remember." }, { "end_time": "22:32", "start_time": "22:28", "text": "And, and these those are small little tracks, actually." }, { "end_time": "22:32", "start_time": "22:32", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "22:35", "start_time": "22:32", "text": "They're not meant for heavy vehicle movement." }, { "end_time": "22:41", "start_time": "22:35", "text": "He took off into that one, which is a totally different tangent, realized after going some distance that that is not the way." }, { "end_time": "22:45", "start_time": "22:41", "text": "There was no place for him to maneuver and then reverse his vehicles and come back." }, { "end_time": "22:48", "start_time": "22:45", "text": "It was, you know, comedy of errors." }, { "end_time": "22:54", "start_time": "22:48", "text": "And at that point in time, I mean, you were totally flustered and you didn't know what was happening actually." }, { "end_time": "23:00", "start_time": "22:56", "text": "There's cursing each other and then trying to find your way around out there." }, { "end_time": "23:00", "start_time": "23:00", "text": "I mean, today, okay." }, { "end_time": "23:02", "start_time": "23:00", "text": "So I'll sit back and then I'll laugh at it." }, { "end_time": "23:07", "start_time": "23:02", "text": "But at that point in time, I know you just, you know, almost helpless in that sense." }, { "end_time": "23:15", "start_time": "23:07", "text": "You know, we're trying to find and gather everybody around and then so it's literally, you know, that, you see on dark kind of a patch and then you say, oh, yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:16", "start_time": "23:15", "text": "That must be the Nala." }, { "end_time": "23:18", "start_time": "23:16", "text": "And then that's the direction in which I you headed up." }, { "end_time": "23:20", "start_time": "23:18", "text": "And that's how you went in out there." }, { "end_time": "23:32", "start_time": "23:21", "text": "And, it's only then, early morning when they'll, you know, the light, the, you know, ambient light improved that you then aligned yourself and found where you were." }, { "end_time": "23:36", "start_time": "23:33", "text": "Well, till that time you actually had no clue of where you were." }, { "end_time": "23:41", "start_time": "23:36", "text": "And then the, the only thing is I guess, the Lord was kind to us." }, { "end_time": "23:46", "start_time": "23:41", "text": "We got inducted without a single casualty, that helped." }, { "end_time": "23:57", "start_time": "23:46", "text": "And then of course my troops were spread out, wherever, you know, the perceived gaps with it were there and then to fill up and protect the highway." }, { "end_time": "24:04", "start_time": "23:57", "text": "And so we would deploy it out there and then we pushed everybody up and they're logging everything up and then, doing all that." }, { "end_time": "24:05", "start_time": "24:04", "text": "It took a couple of days." }, { "end_time": "24:19", "start_time": "24:07", "text": "So then really, you know, we were obviously spread along, the Nalas, you know, because, the initial information was that, there were a lot of militants who had self infiltrated." }, { "end_time": "24:26", "start_time": "24:20", "text": "And traditionally, the roots of infiltration are along these, you know, little streams or Nalas as we call them." }, { "end_time": "24:29", "start_time": "24:26", "text": "Because that's the pathways that Delhi go along that." }, { "end_time": "24:40", "start_time": "24:30", "text": "So, we'd sort of deployed ourselves to cover all those, you know, the nala's coming from the, Pakistani side and, hopefully had got all the areas covered." }, { "end_time": "24:48", "start_time": "24:42", "text": "So after a couple of days, you know, then, a little bit of helicopter reconnaissance and all sorts of because the information started trickling in." }, { "end_time": "24:51", "start_time": "24:49", "text": "Either the enemy is at these points." }, { "end_time": "24:53", "start_time": "24:51", "text": "Ah, that that that's a different story." }, { "end_time": "24:53", "start_time": "24:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:54", "start_time": "24:53", "text": "I mean, that's okay." }, { "end_time": "24:55", "start_time": "24:54", "text": "So that is what it is." }, { "end_time": "25:06", "start_time": "24:56", "text": "So, I, along with, one more, and, of, the deputy commander of the brigade there, we were then given a helicopter sorties." }, { "end_time": "25:09", "start_time": "25:06", "text": "So they go up in the air and try and see what is happening." }, { "end_time": "25:16", "start_time": "25:10", "text": "So, we used to go to the Draz helipad and then this flying used to be done by day." }, { "end_time": "25:21", "start_time": "25:17", "text": "And the, the helicopters used to come in from Kargil because that's where the base was." }, { "end_time": "25:28", "start_time": "25:21", "text": "They used to come to Draz and pick us up and, do a quick reconnaissance and then, you know, drop us back." }, { "end_time": "25:31", "start_time": "25:28", "text": "And then we used to give the report and so on." }, { "end_time": "25:34", "start_time": "25:31", "text": "And, that's when I, use this analogy." }, { "end_time": "25:38", "start_time": "25:34", "text": "You know, you have a map and, you know, you have this little marker pens that were there." }, { "end_time": "25:45", "start_time": "25:38", "text": "And then, you know, on the map, you just read, see the ground and, you know, and there and then Mark out whatever you could see." }, { "end_time": "25:52", "start_time": "25:45", "text": "And, typically you use the red mark to, indicate where the enemy is and then, you know, blue is your own side." }, { "end_time": "25:56", "start_time": "25:52", "text": "And that's how, traditional marking is done on the maps." }, { "end_time": "26:10", "start_time": "25:56", "text": "And, literally every sortie that I went up in the air, and then came down, my red marks on the map used to keep increasing because I used to keep spotting them on the hilltops everywhere." }, { "end_time": "26:16", "start_time": "26:10", "text": "And the, analogy that I used, you know, to describe that was almost like chicken pox." }, { "end_time": "26:17", "start_time": "26:16", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "26:22", "start_time": "26:17", "text": "I mean, you start seeing the red red red spots, you know, spreading on the on your body." }, { "end_time": "26:23", "start_time": "26:22", "text": "It is literally that way." }, { "end_time": "26:29", "start_time": "26:23", "text": "You know, the map was, almost getting filled by, red, you know, spots, indicating where he was." }, { "end_time": "26:32", "start_time": "26:29", "text": "It is almost like chicken pox, coming up out there on the map." }, { "end_time": "26:36", "start_time": "26:32", "text": "I think probably at this point you must have realized that it's not just a small problem and something is happening." }, { "end_time": "26:46", "start_time": "26:36", "text": "I mean, so we were, well, fortunately, unfortunately, one of the few guys who were, you know, inducted in the initial stages and are who are already there." }, { "end_time": "26:56", "start_time": "26:46", "text": "And we were the guys who are actually then feeding back the information of the ground realities when then the picture became much, much more clear of the headquarters." }, { "end_time": "27:01", "start_time": "26:56", "text": "There's It's something much more serious than what was, initially estimated." }, { "end_time": "27:05", "start_time": "27:03", "text": "And so we bore the brunt of that." }, { "end_time": "27:07", "start_time": "27:05", "text": "And that's when we, you know, suffered our first guide." }, { "end_time": "27:08", "start_time": "27:07", "text": "So then what did we do?" }, { "end_time": "27:09", "start_time": "27:08", "text": "We were down in the Nalas." }, { "end_time": "27:14", "start_time": "27:10", "text": "So then, the next thing that we did is start climbing up the, you know, features." }, { "end_time": "27:17", "start_time": "27:14", "text": "They're they're they're like the spurs, you know, that come out from a feature." }, { "end_time": "27:22", "start_time": "27:17", "text": "And so, yeah, you're regular than the Nala and then you're now climbing up these spurs, you know, which are out there." }, { "end_time": "27:29", "start_time": "27:22", "text": "And try and then gauge wherever you went and then hit the, other guy because you don't know exactly where he was." }, { "end_time": "27:35", "start_time": "27:30", "text": "And wherever you went and made contact, and that's literally the word we use." }, { "end_time": "27:36", "start_time": "27:35", "text": "You make contact with the enemy." }, { "end_time": "27:42", "start_time": "27:37", "text": "You then try to then, you know, bed yourself in, in that area, protect yourself." }, { "end_time": "27:43", "start_time": "27:42", "text": "And there's no protection there." }, { "end_time": "27:47", "start_time": "27:43", "text": "I mean, there's no bunkers or there's no shelter out there." }, { "end_time": "27:50", "start_time": "27:47", "text": "There was just mountainous, huge rocks." }, { "end_time": "27:53", "start_time": "27:50", "text": "You took shelter behind those rocks and protected yourself." }, { "end_time": "27:57", "start_time": "27:54", "text": "And that was your living area for the days to come." }, { "end_time": "27:59", "start_time": "27:58", "text": "Months to come." }, { "end_time": "28:00", "start_time": "27:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:03", "start_time": "28:01", "text": "And what did you have for protection?" }, { "end_time": "28:12", "start_time": "28:03", "text": "You then carried sandbags with you, filled up with whatever little bit of sand that you could and you carried it up there and those were your protection." }, { "end_time": "28:19", "start_time": "28:15", "text": "And protection was basically from whatever, you know, firing that used to take place." }, { "end_time": "28:22", "start_time": "28:20", "text": "There's nothing in terms of overhead protection." }, { "end_time": "28:27", "start_time": "28:22", "text": "You just had a little, you know, canvas sheet or something of that sort to just to protect you from the elements." }, { "end_time": "28:33", "start_time": "28:28", "text": "But then those were the, kind of, situation that we went and then, you know, sort of positioned ourselves." }, { "end_time": "28:35", "start_time": "28:33", "text": "What did you do for food?" }, { "end_time": "28:38", "start_time": "28:36", "text": "Food used to no." }, { "end_time": "28:40", "start_time": "28:38", "text": "That comes with that other one." }, { "end_time": "28:51", "start_time": "28:41", "text": "So, and actually what we do then is, the guys who are there, any supply to them of food and water used to take place only by night." }, { "end_time": "28:58", "start_time": "28:51", "text": "And it is food is, you know, one set of meal that is cooked, which is breakfast, lunch, and dinner." }, { "end_time": "29:00", "start_time": "28:58", "text": "And that it's 1 and the same thing." }, { "end_time": "29:06", "start_time": "29:00", "text": "And, it just, you know, packed up in little, you know, different boxes kind of thing." }, { "end_time": "29:13", "start_time": "29:06", "text": "And, along with water and it's literally, you know, other men ferry it to these guys up there." }, { "end_time": "29:20", "start_time": "29:17", "text": "So all this takes place by night." }, { "end_time": "29:28", "start_time": "29:21", "text": "And, the point is that there's no privacy, out there." }, { "end_time": "29:32", "start_time": "29:28", "text": "I mean, you want to, you know, have your daily ablutions." }, { "end_time": "29:34", "start_time": "29:32", "text": "Also, there's no real space out there." }, { "end_time": "29:40", "start_time": "29:35", "text": "I mean, you go and then, then walk left and right, you're then exposed to fire." }, { "end_time": "29:44", "start_time": "29:41", "text": "That's how bad, the, situation is." }, { "end_time": "29:54", "start_time": "29:45", "text": "So then, you know, you get into a routine, you know, a couple of guys go there and then you couldn't put too many guys also on that little tiny ledge or whatever that you had in terms of space." }, { "end_time": "29:56", "start_time": "29:54", "text": "So you used to keep rotating these people." }, { "end_time": "30:01", "start_time": "29:56", "text": "After about 2, 3 days then, you know, the next team goes out there and those guys come down and then, you know, do this." }, { "end_time": "30:02", "start_time": "30:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:04", "start_time": "30:02", "text": "Coming to the food part of it." }, { "end_time": "30:11", "start_time": "30:04", "text": "Now normally when you move, you know, in this kind of, situation, You can't carry fresh vegetables." }, { "end_time": "30:17", "start_time": "30:12", "text": "So you get what is in the army parlance called the hard varieties, you know." }, { "end_time": "30:23", "start_time": "30:17", "text": "Things like pumpkin and potatoes and, vegetables of that kind, which don't get spoiled so easily." }, { "end_time": "30:25", "start_time": "30:23", "text": "And it'll take you." }, { "end_time": "30:37", "start_time": "30:26", "text": "So, that's all we had in that 24 hours reaction time that we could get whatever, little bit of, you know, so called of these hard varieties of vegetables and little bit tins, thin vegetables that we carried." }, { "end_time": "30:38", "start_time": "30:37", "text": "And then we went in out there." }, { "end_time": "30:40", "start_time": "30:38", "text": "It's all vegetarian food?" }, { "end_time": "30:41", "start_time": "30:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:43", "start_time": "30:41", "text": "I guess there were there were also thinned meat and things like that." }, { "end_time": "30:44", "start_time": "30:43", "text": "I'm a vegetarian." }, { "end_time": "30:49", "start_time": "30:44", "text": "So, you know, they say what started to me was what was there in terms of vegetables?" }, { "end_time": "30:59", "start_time": "30:50", "text": "So, what was, I think is the the again, they're not typical, I would say typical, but then, yeah, the the bureaucracy of the system then." }, { "end_time": "31:08", "start_time": "30:59", "text": "I mean, nobody had, those, troops that we went under, you know, when Dras, they had never handled in Russia rifles unit." }, { "end_time": "31:15", "start_time": "31:09", "text": "Now Russia rifles units, there's a historical story behind it where, you know, it was raised with a particular purpose." }, { "end_time": "31:24", "start_time": "31:15", "text": "And so, you know, it's so called accounting system, you know, for all the, budgeting and billing and everything else, it's a different system compared to the rest of the army." }, { "end_time": "31:28", "start_time": "31:25", "text": "So they never handled a unit like us." }, { "end_time": "31:32", "start_time": "31:28", "text": "So they were not too sure as to how that whole process is going to be." }, { "end_time": "31:36", "start_time": "31:32", "text": "So we never got any, supplement of rations from them." }, { "end_time": "31:40", "start_time": "31:36", "text": "You know, at least in the initial days till all this paperwork was sort of resolved." }, { "end_time": "31:48", "start_time": "31:41", "text": "So I still remember the 1st week and after 1 or 2 days when we exhausted one of our little bit of fresh vegetables that we carried and we had only pumpkin left, you know." }, { "end_time": "31:55", "start_time": "31:48", "text": "So we had a pumpkin, as sabji, with puris in the morning for breakfast." }, { "end_time": "32:05", "start_time": "31:55", "text": "We had pumpkin, with, rice or, chapati's for lunch and pumpkin for rice, with rice and, chapati's for dinner." }, { "end_time": "32:08", "start_time": "32:05", "text": "That was a standard meal for about a week." }, { "end_time": "32:11", "start_time": "32:10", "text": "Add to it." }, { "end_time": "32:17", "start_time": "32:11", "text": "We normally, you know, carried kerosene, with us And we used to have this, you know, oil cookers." }, { "end_time": "32:22", "start_time": "32:17", "text": "And they they all that, fuel based, kerosene based, stoves that we had." }, { "end_time": "32:24", "start_time": "32:23", "text": "We exhausted that also." }, { "end_time": "32:30", "start_time": "32:24", "text": "And of that, it gets consumed and then, in those kind of altitudes, you need to cook stuff that much more longer." }, { "end_time": "32:34", "start_time": "32:30", "text": "And of course the temperatures are such and, more fuel got consumed." }, { "end_time": "32:37", "start_time": "32:35", "text": "We started running short of fuel." }, { "end_time": "32:54", "start_time": "32:38", "text": "And, what we literally did now, those areas are, frequented under normal circumstances by these, you know, nomads, it's bakrawals and all these people who take their cattle and go grazing in those areas in the summer months and then bring it down to the villages." }, { "end_time": "33:05", "start_time": "32:54", "text": "We have literally collected dung of animals from that area and brought that as fuel for our cooking." }, { "end_time": "33:07", "start_time": "33:07", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "33:16", "start_time": "33:08", "text": "This is how we survived initially till things, of course, you know, got stabilized and, you know, and things sort of improved." }, { "end_time": "33:21", "start_time": "33:16", "text": "So, this was the initial few days where I'm still trying to gather what it was." }, { "end_time": "33:24", "start_time": "33:21", "text": "And it's only all our you know, my little helicopter reconnaissance." }, { "end_time": "33:28", "start_time": "33:24", "text": "And that also stopped one fine day when, our helicopters got shot at." }, { "end_time": "33:33", "start_time": "33:28", "text": "And so, we were then, you know, grounded literally in that sense." }, { "end_time": "33:38", "start_time": "33:33", "text": "Because after that, the helicopters went at such a high ceiling that you really couldn't see anything much on the ground." }, { "end_time": "33:39", "start_time": "33:38", "text": "And so it didn't make sense." }, { "end_time": "33:54", "start_time": "33:39", "text": "And so it was all our patrols that went up on the spurs and then, you know, wherever we went in a hit with the guys, we sort of then, you know, plonked ourselves and then, you know, build ourselves a little bit of protection and then stayed on out there." }, { "end_time": "33:55", "start_time": "33:54", "text": "It was such time." }, { "end_time": "34:04", "start_time": "33:55", "text": "They got cleared by 13 jackriff and 2 rajriff and the kind that came up much much later in the months of June, July that it happened." }, { "end_time": "34:05", "start_time": "34:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:10", "start_time": "34:05", "text": "So we were there till then and, hanging on, literally hanging on for our lives." }, { "end_time": "34:12", "start_time": "34:10", "text": "How were those guys getting refueled?" }, { "end_time": "34:13", "start_time": "34:12", "text": "Like the enemy?" }, { "end_time": "34:14", "start_time": "34:14", "text": "What?" }, { "end_time": "34:19", "start_time": "34:15", "text": "They had, they had the advantage of terrain to them." }, { "end_time": "34:26", "start_time": "34:20", "text": "The basis from which they were being maintained, were definitely more accessible than where we were, 1." }, { "end_time": "34:29", "start_time": "34:27", "text": "They were better prepared for this kind of a thing." }, { "end_time": "34:31", "start_time": "34:29", "text": "So they were well stocked in that sense." }, { "end_time": "34:55", "start_time": "34:32", "text": "And, obviously they were better equipped, because now history says, they procured us so much of an Arctic kind of equipment, you know, clothing and, stuff like that, which, you know, from Switzerland and, other Scandinavian countries and the things of that kind, which, get them the wherewithal, for doing whatever they had planned to do." }, { "end_time": "34:57", "start_time": "34:55", "text": "So they were better prepared." }, { "end_time": "35:00", "start_time": "34:57", "text": "And this is probably across as in at all the competition." }, { "end_time": "35:07", "start_time": "35:00", "text": "And these things we've, it's come out in hindsight, you know, at that point in time when we were facing the actions in there." }, { "end_time": "35:13", "start_time": "35:08", "text": "So, I mean, pardon me if this is a rude question, but did you ever get hit by a bullet or not me?" }, { "end_time": "35:14", "start_time": "35:13", "text": "No, no, not me." }, { "end_time": "35:19", "start_time": "35:14", "text": "But then, yeah, we were targeted and, yeah, I was lucky to escape the shelling." }, { "end_time": "35:20", "start_time": "35:19", "text": "Yes, definitely." }, { "end_time": "35:24", "start_time": "35:20", "text": "But in your whole army tenure, have you, have you, you know, taken an injury?" }, { "end_time": "35:26", "start_time": "35:25", "text": "Not, not in the classical sense." }, { "end_time": "35:30", "start_time": "35:26", "text": "No, but yeah, been very close to it, but not in that sense." }, { "end_time": "35:32", "start_time": "35:30", "text": "Have you ever pondered upon that?" }, { "end_time": "35:33", "start_time": "35:32", "text": "Yeah, I did." }, { "end_time": "35:55", "start_time": "35:34", "text": "What was the outcome of the pondering pondering was well, the pondering happened, when after, when all this got over and when, then when, this, all this finished and we got back to our bases and, later on during, we got back to the same old place where we were in and we had launched a couple of, you know, successful operations." }, { "end_time": "36:08", "start_time": "35:56", "text": "And so as the commanding officer, the probably I was one of the, targets of these, you know, militants who were there and, you know, the 2 sort of hit back, out there." }, { "end_time": "36:17", "start_time": "36:09", "text": "And so, yeah, there, there were, you know, attempts to get back at me, which I, at that point in time, never told people home." }, { "end_time": "36:36", "start_time": "36:17", "text": "And it was many, many, many years later, that, one of the bosses of mine at that point in time when we met my wife, in a social function, some of them, 7, 8 years later, he, asked her, you know, did Chris tell you about this?" }, { "end_time": "36:37", "start_time": "36:37", "text": "She says, what?" }, { "end_time": "36:42", "start_time": "36:38", "text": "So obviously till then I had kept it, hidden from my family." }, { "end_time": "36:47", "start_time": "36:43", "text": "But yeah, she got to know of it much, much, much later." }, { "end_time": "37:00", "start_time": "36:47", "text": "So those kind of times, yes, you think back, but then, what do you feel is, look, I mean, as a commanding officer, you know, the classic adage is, you know, it's lonely at the top." }, { "end_time": "37:11", "start_time": "37:01", "text": "So, I mean, the unit is such that, you know, next to god it's the commanding officer, really, you know, for the men." }, { "end_time": "37:14", "start_time": "37:11", "text": "So everybody is looking up to you." }, { "end_time": "37:18", "start_time": "37:15", "text": "And, you may be scared." }, { "end_time": "37:24", "start_time": "37:18", "text": "I mean, I I definitely, you know, you're also worried and all those things." }, { "end_time": "37:29", "start_time": "37:24", "text": "But you cannot afford to show that to your men." }, { "end_time": "37:37", "start_time": "37:29", "text": "Because after all, he's looking up to you for all the, you know, guidance and the direction to move on in life." }, { "end_time": "37:39", "start_time": "37:37", "text": "And it will set the tone for the rest of your life." }, { "end_time": "37:39", "start_time": "37:39", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "37:49", "start_time": "37:41", "text": "So whatever you had in your mind, there was no way you could let it show on your face or in your actions." }, { "end_time": "37:59", "start_time": "37:52", "text": "And that is where, you know, it's sort of, I guess, I mean, it's always a challenge to once you reach the top." }, { "end_time": "38:02", "start_time": "37:59", "text": "But to face up to it, these are things that you have to." }, { "end_time": "38:05", "start_time": "38:04", "text": "So, yeah." }, { "end_time": "38:14", "start_time": "38:05", "text": "I mean, so then how do you do sort of, you know, get over this kind of a thing is it's you know, whenever you have this fear, it's best thing to do is get into action." }, { "end_time": "38:18", "start_time": "38:16", "text": "Do something physically active." }, { "end_time": "38:19", "start_time": "38:18", "text": "So it takes your mind off things." }, { "end_time": "38:19", "start_time": "38:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "38:21", "start_time": "38:19", "text": "It's how people can cope with anxiety as well." }, { "end_time": "38:22", "start_time": "38:21", "text": "That's it." }, { "end_time": "38:26", "start_time": "38:24", "text": "Get into some physical activity." }, { "end_time": "38:26", "start_time": "38:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "38:28", "start_time": "38:26", "text": "Take your mind off things." }, { "end_time": "38:33", "start_time": "38:28", "text": "Because it's only when you are, look, you are scared." }, { "end_time": "38:33", "start_time": "38:33", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "38:34", "start_time": "38:33", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "38:35", "start_time": "38:34", "text": "That's but natural." }, { "end_time": "38:37", "start_time": "38:36", "text": "You can't even discuss with anybody." }, { "end_time": "38:43", "start_time": "38:37", "text": "And when I was in Kargil, I mean, we had only that, you know, radio set for communications." }, { "end_time": "38:49", "start_time": "38:43", "text": "Now if I had, you know, concern, there was nobody I could discuss it with also." }, { "end_time": "38:58", "start_time": "38:50", "text": "I mean, if I discussed it with officers, the word would spread and there's no separate living accommodation for me out there." }, { "end_time": "39:00", "start_time": "38:58", "text": "I was sharing a 10 to 3 other officers." }, { "end_time": "39:07", "start_time": "39:04", "text": "So, any thought was with you yourself, that's it." }, { "end_time": "39:09", "start_time": "39:07", "text": "There was no second person to share it with." }, { "end_time": "39:20", "start_time": "39:13", "text": "So, that is where, you know, you sort of, need to absorb that much more." }, { "end_time": "39:25", "start_time": "39:20", "text": "And that's where your resilience, your inner strength, your mental strength, all these come into fall." }, { "end_time": "39:34", "start_time": "39:26", "text": "So before we began rolling for this episode, you mentioned that you had met captain Vikram Batra, you know Yeah." }, { "end_time": "39:35", "start_time": "39:34", "text": "Before Batra Pointe." }, { "end_time": "39:36", "start_time": "39:35", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "39:36", "start_time": "39:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "39:37", "start_time": "39:36", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "39:45", "start_time": "39:37", "text": "I mean, I I'm he was just one of the officers of 13 Jackrath and, that entire, operations of 13 Jackriff." }, { "end_time": "39:47", "start_time": "39:45", "text": "I mean, Joe is a good friend of mine." }, { "end_time": "40:01", "start_time": "39:47", "text": "We've done a couple of courses, together before that and, he was, the, the 2 IC of, 13 jackriff and, I was, with my unit and, he's, he's a hero junior to be, you know." }, { "end_time": "40:02", "start_time": "40:01", "text": "By Joe you mean?" }, { "end_time": "40:03", "start_time": "40:02", "text": "Joe, I mean, Joshi." }, { "end_time": "40:06", "start_time": "40:04", "text": "Joshi was the CEO of, 30 jackriff, there." }, { "end_time": "40:16", "start_time": "40:07", "text": "So, he was actually the 2IC and, you know, and, he was by default commanding the unit much like I was by default commanding my unit." }, { "end_time": "40:17", "start_time": "40:16", "text": "And, yeah." }, { "end_time": "40:31", "start_time": "40:17", "text": "So, we, we met, we met with the officers and, that particular, operations of 13 jackriff, was supported by my unit, because we were already in that area of, Mushko." }, { "end_time": "40:41", "start_time": "40:32", "text": "And like I told you, you know, we were already deployed in all those areas, preventing those guys from, you know, coming down further and we sort of pinned them down wherever they had reached." }, { "end_time": "40:45", "start_time": "40:41", "text": "And those are the areas where, like I said, you know, I was not trained." }, { "end_time": "40:49", "start_time": "40:45", "text": "I was not equipped and I was not organized to launch a physical attack myself." }, { "end_time": "40:52", "start_time": "40:49", "text": "So I was in a supporting role." }, { "end_time": "41:09", "start_time": "40:52", "text": "And, we formed what is, in army parlance called the firm base, you know, a place from where you launch the, attack from so that God forbid, if something you have to fall back, you have a, a foot on the ground, literally, you know, that you can come back out there and then, you know, rework your plans." }, { "end_time": "41:12", "start_time": "41:10", "text": "So we were part of the firm base one." }, { "end_time": "41:22", "start_time": "41:12", "text": "And, the other thing that we did, to obviously, those, altitudes were, such that, your ability to carry weights is very, very minimal." }, { "end_time": "41:29", "start_time": "41:22", "text": "And there's very limited amount of ammunition that you can carry with you when you go in for an assault of this kind and especially in those altitudes." }, { "end_time": "41:33", "start_time": "41:30", "text": "So they needed help in terms of, ammunition." }, { "end_time": "41:43", "start_time": "41:33", "text": "So I had, provided a lot of troops from my, unit, who, where who had shed all their heavy baggage, so to say." }, { "end_time": "41:49", "start_time": "41:43", "text": "And, literally, the, if, I mean, it's not a very right term to use." }, { "end_time": "41:57", "start_time": "41:49", "text": "They were actually, acting like potters, in terms of carrying the ammunition for 13 jackrifts and their troops as they were going in for the attack." }, { "end_time": "42:01", "start_time": "41:57", "text": "So we were very much there as a part of, the attack of, 13 jackrif." }, { "end_time": "42:10", "start_time": "42:02", "text": "And, the troops, who went in, carrying all the ammunition, it's a fact of life." }, { "end_time": "42:13", "start_time": "42:10", "text": "When they were coming down, we were bringing down the casualties of 13 jackrif." }, { "end_time": "42:21", "start_time": "42:14", "text": "So we were, you know, as much as a part of that story that is there, but then, you know, behind the scenes kind of a thing." }, { "end_time": "42:30", "start_time": "42:21", "text": "But then we were very much there, as a part of, the support for 13 jakrif and its attack, which got portrayed in this movie." }, { "end_time": "42:43", "start_time": "42:30", "text": "And then, like I said, I don't know, that's one of the things I did not see the movie was, I said, I felt we seen all that there was to be seen, other than, going into the physical assault, which, of course was what 13 Jackriff did." }, { "end_time": "42:48", "start_time": "42:43", "text": "But I was very much there as a part of, all that went on out there." }, { "end_time": "42:53", "start_time": "42:48", "text": "What goes on in your head when you see, you know, these many casualties in the middle of a war?" }, { "end_time": "42:58", "start_time": "42:57", "text": "2 feelings." }, { "end_time": "43:01", "start_time": "42:59", "text": "There's obviously a sorrow." }, { "end_time": "43:04", "start_time": "43:02", "text": "Because I, I, my own troops also." }, { "end_time": "43:11", "start_time": "43:04", "text": "I've also, lost as many as, 12 of my, you know, Jawans, out there due to the shelling and the firing that took place." }, { "end_time": "43:18", "start_time": "43:12", "text": "And, a number of them had got injuries also because of their artillery shelling that took place out there." }, { "end_time": "43:19", "start_time": "43:18", "text": "So one is sadness." }, { "end_time": "43:24", "start_time": "43:19", "text": "You know, that sorrow that is there of somebody, getting hit in that sense." }, { "end_time": "43:48", "start_time": "43:25", "text": "The second thing that sort of, is, a counter to this is that reassurance that there is an organization, there is a system behind you who will take care of these guys who are injured or take care of their families in case they are not alive to get back to them." }, { "end_time": "43:52", "start_time": "43:49", "text": "That is what is the feelings that you have." }, { "end_time": "43:53", "start_time": "43:52", "text": "There's an assurance." }, { "end_time": "44:02", "start_time": "43:53", "text": "There is a solid system behind you that will ensure my family will get taken care of irrespective of whether I'm there physically or not." }, { "end_time": "44:11", "start_time": "44:02", "text": "And that's what possibly, you know, drives people also to, you know, ultimately, sacrificing their or making the Supreme sacrifice." }, { "end_time": "44:17", "start_time": "44:11", "text": "So to say, in battle, you know, they'll get taken care of." }, { "end_time": "44:30", "start_time": "44:17", "text": "I think this is something a lot of, people don't understand that when there's so many casualties of war after the battles over, they have to be people who go and pick up the bodies of the casualties, bring them down, find them out." }, { "end_time": "44:34", "start_time": "44:30", "text": "So this response that the Indian army gave the Pakistani army during the war." }, { "end_time": "44:35", "start_time": "44:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "44:37", "start_time": "44:35", "text": "I'm sure there are multiple factors, you know?" }, { "end_time": "44:37", "start_time": "44:37", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "44:40", "start_time": "44:37", "text": "Be it the bravery of every soldier, be it a strategy." }, { "end_time": "44:47", "start_time": "44:41", "text": "But do you think at its core, the victory happened because of preparation, even though the odds were sort of against us and every battle?" }, { "end_time": "44:47", "start_time": "44:47", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "44:50", "start_time": "44:47", "text": "I mean, the preparation at the later stages." }, { "end_time": "44:51", "start_time": "44:50", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "45:01", "start_time": "44:51", "text": "Once we got the, you know, our, the information right, then of course the right plans were made and, executed appropriately." }, { "end_time": "45:10", "start_time": "45:02", "text": "And so, there was no way, like, I was just telling of Ravan and not telling me, how 2 rajariv could not have, you know, failed in its yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:13", "start_time": "45:10", "text": "Of course, there were units which attempted and then, did not make it the first way." }, { "end_time": "45:16", "start_time": "45:13", "text": "And then, you know, then the second wave went in and then no." }, { "end_time": "45:16", "start_time": "45:16", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "45:23", "start_time": "45:16", "text": "That's what natural process because fighting at those heights, those mountains, you know, has takes its own toll." }, { "end_time": "45:28", "start_time": "45:25", "text": "So that's the reason why you had so many casualties." }, { "end_time": "45:32", "start_time": "45:30", "text": "Because the fighting had to be done with the enemy." }, { "end_time": "45:33", "start_time": "45:32", "text": "It had to be literally in waves." }, { "end_time": "45:38", "start_time": "45:33", "text": "You are literally, you know, you are scrambling on all fours trying to reach on top." }, { "end_time": "45:42", "start_time": "45:38", "text": "Now you either fire a weapon or you're scrambling on all fours." }, { "end_time": "45:51", "start_time": "45:42", "text": "Or, you know, climbing up with ropes that are, you know, laid out out there with an, little team that has gone from behind and trying to cut them off and all those things." }, { "end_time": "45:57", "start_time": "45:51", "text": "So all that is there, it's all part of the, you know, training and preparation that ultimately spoke for itself." }, { "end_time": "46:08", "start_time": "45:57", "text": "You know, so this this whole conversation for me has been a fantastic sort of understanding because I remember, I mean, again, my as a as a kid, you're 7 years old or 8 years old." }, { "end_time": "46:11", "start_time": "46:08", "text": "The only understanding of war comes from movies." }, { "end_time": "46:13", "start_time": "46:11", "text": "You're not even watching the news at that age." }, { "end_time": "46:18", "start_time": "46:13", "text": "So I watched LOC Cargill very fondly, you know, I enjoyed that movie when I was a kid." }, { "end_time": "46:24", "start_time": "46:18", "text": "I kept reading all the Cargill war as I grew up, but this is the first conversation I've had of this sort." }, { "end_time": "46:29", "start_time": "46:24", "text": "So, so firstly, from the bottom of my heart, thank you, for this description." }, { "end_time": "46:34", "start_time": "46:30", "text": "I'd probably end this particular episode by asking you one last question." }, { "end_time": "46:34", "start_time": "46:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:44", "start_time": "46:34", "text": "Which is that at the end of the war, when you know, India's won, when you know that the mission is accomplished, and you've seen whatever you've seen, what goes on in your head?" }, { "end_time": "46:50", "start_time": "46:48", "text": "I literally it is what's my next task." }, { "end_time": "46:50", "start_time": "46:50", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "47:00", "start_time": "46:50", "text": "And when the next task came to me, even before I was on my way down the government, then, it was the end of July when the so called ceasefire was there." }, { "end_time": "47:06", "start_time": "47:00", "text": "And that is when they said, yeah, look, these guys are not meant to be, the Russian rifles unit is not meant to be out here." }, { "end_time": "47:12", "start_time": "47:06", "text": "Let's relieve them and then pull them out to, you know, go back to the old grid that was there." }, { "end_time": "47:20", "start_time": "47:12", "text": "So we were replaced by, you know, a different set of troops who were then, you know, to be stationed out there on a more permanent basis." }, { "end_time": "47:21", "start_time": "47:21", "text": "We were pulled down." }, { "end_time": "47:27", "start_time": "47:21", "text": "And when I reached Duras, I was told, your next task is, ready for you." }, { "end_time": "47:28", "start_time": "47:27", "text": "So I said, what?" }, { "end_time": "47:41", "start_time": "47:28", "text": "He says, the government has decided that, as symbolic, you know, of, all that has happened, we will conduct the amarna theatra, which happens normally in the month of August." }, { "end_time": "47:47", "start_time": "47:41", "text": "Traditionally out there, You have to go and then provide security for the entire stretch of the Amarna the Atra." }, { "end_time": "47:49", "start_time": "47:47", "text": "And that was my next task that I had." }, { "end_time": "47:51", "start_time": "47:49", "text": "So I never got back home anywhere." }, { "end_time": "48:00", "start_time": "47:52", "text": "I was there onto a totally nude situation trying to then, do what was, mandated to me." }, { "end_time": "48:06", "start_time": "48:01", "text": "You, you understand the mindset of a soldier only when you speak to a soldier, sir." }, { "end_time": "48:06", "start_time": "48:06", "text": "Really?" }, { "end_time": "48:11", "start_time": "48:06", "text": "I salute you on behalf of, you know, the Indian youth, Indian general." }, { "end_time": "48:11", "start_time": "48:11", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "48:12", "start_time": "48:11", "text": "That's just a little story." }, { "end_time": "48:23", "start_time": "48:12", "text": "I said, it's not like the, you know, the story of glory and guts that you normally see portrayed in movies or for that matter, you know, highlighted in books and narratives and things like that." }, { "end_time": "48:32", "start_time": "48:24", "text": "Like I said, you know, much like, you know, you are the front, of all that, in a podcast that you do." }, { "end_time": "48:35", "start_time": "48:32", "text": "You have so many others who are supporting you in it." }, { "end_time": "48:40", "start_time": "48:36", "text": "So my story is one of the supporting cast to all that happened out there." }, { "end_time": "48:47", "start_time": "48:40", "text": "And, you know, if, I mean, I don't think, there's going to be a movie made on me or something of that sort." }, { "end_time": "48:51", "start_time": "48:47", "text": "But then, yeah, we have a story of our own, to talk about." }, { "end_time": "48:57", "start_time": "48:51", "text": "So I'm a 100% sure that every Indian's respect for the Indian army officers isn't just for the stories." }, { "end_time": "48:59", "start_time": "48:57", "text": "It's for the moment that you'll sign up for the army." }, { "end_time": "49:07", "start_time": "49:00", "text": "So because this is something I've been thinking a lot about, lately that it takes a different kind of mindset to sign up for the army just as a person." }, { "end_time": "49:09", "start_time": "49:07", "text": "And that's why we salute you, sir." }, { "end_time": "49:10", "start_time": "49:09", "text": "Thank you very much." }, { "end_time": "49:14", "start_time": "49:10", "text": "I also appreciate you opening up this way on the podcast, sir." }, { "end_time": "49:15", "start_time": "49:14", "text": "Thanks." }, { "end_time": "49:15", "start_time": "49:15", "text": "Thank you very much." }, { "end_time": "49:16", "start_time": "49:15", "text": "My pleasure." }, { "end_time": "49:17", "start_time": "49:16", "text": "I'm hoping to have you on the show again." }, { "end_time": "49:18", "start_time": "49:17", "text": "Soon." }, { "end_time": "49:18", "start_time": "49:18", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:20", "start_time": "49:18", "text": "We'll continue our conversation." }, { "end_time": "49:21", "start_time": "49:20", "text": "Sure or otherwise." }, { "end_time": "49:22", "start_time": "49:21", "text": "Thank you, sir." }, { "end_time": "49:22", "start_time": "49:22", "text": "Thank you so much." }, { "end_time": "49:23", "start_time": "49:22", "text": "Thank you very much." }, { "end_time": "49:29", "start_time": "49:25", "text": "That was another Indian army special of the Ranveesh show." }, { "end_time": "49:40", "start_time": "49:29", "text": "Every time I speak to veterans of the Indian army, I realize the power of that group of men, the power of that organization, its history, its pride, its ideologies, its mentalities." }, { "end_time": "49:44", "start_time": "49:41", "text": "I'm changed after every single army episode we create honestly." }, { "end_time": "49:52", "start_time": "49:44", "text": "And I promise you that we haven't even really begun this journey of bringing stories of the Indian Army, the Indian Air Force, the Indian Navy out to the public." }, { "end_time": "49:59", "start_time": "49:53", "text": "You know, your only reference point when it comes to the army is movies like Sheysha or LOC Cargill or Border." }, { "end_time": "50:08", "start_time": "49:59", "text": "But I personally feel that if you really want to know what it's like living that army life, you've gotta hear it from the mouth of a veteran." }, { "end_time": "50:11", "start_time": "50:09", "text": "This was a very special episode of TRS." }, { "end_time": "50:13", "start_time": "50:11", "text": "Make sure you follow us on Spotify." }, { "end_time": "50:18", "start_time": "50:13", "text": "Every episode is available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world." }, { "end_time": "50:23", "start_time": "50:18", "text": "And remember to share this episode as far and as wide as is possible." }, { "end_time": "50:28", "start_time": "50:24", "text": "We need to spread the word about the Indian Army as much as we can." }, { "end_time": "50:30", "start_time": "50:28", "text": "That's our duty as Indian citizens." } ] }

[ { "content": "**Task Description:** \nYou are provided with a YouTube video transcript in JSON format, where each entry is synchronized with its respective timestamp. This transcript contains the spoken text along with its start and end times. Your objective is to generate high-quality, chapter-wise segments that accurately represent key points or transitions within the video.\n\n**Transcript JSON Format:** \nThe transcript is formatted as a list of dictionaries, where each dictionary represents a spoken sentence, including its text and corresponding start and end times.\n\n**Example Transcript:** \n```json\n[\n {\n \"text\": \"The narrative in the public eye is that you left working with the Modi government because your opinions weren't heard.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:07\"\n },\n {\n \"text\": \"I want to know your side of the story.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:08\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:10\"\n },\n ...\n]\n```\n\n**Your Task:** \nUsing the given transcript, generate a JSON output that breaks down the video into meaningful chapters. Each chapter should encapsulate a key segment of the video and be accompanied by a concise, informative title that reflects the essence of that segment.\n\n**Chapter JSON Format:** \nThe output should follow this structure:\n```json\n{\n \"chapters\": [\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"title\": \"Introduction and Opening Remarks\"\n },\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:07\",\n \"title\": \"Discussing the Exit from Modi Government\"\n },\n ...\n ]\n}\n```\n\n**Requirements:** \n1. **Identify Key Segments:** Extract significant portions of the transcript that represent shifts in topic, important discussions, or transitions in conversation.\n2. **Craft Informative Titles:** Each chapter title should be clear, engaging, and directly related to the content covered in that segment.\n3. **Preserve Time Stamps:** Ensure that each chapter's `start_time` corresponds to the first instance of a key topic or segment in the transcript.\n4. **Conciseness is Key:** While titles should be descriptive, avoid making them overly lengthy. Aim for a balance between informativeness and brevity.", "role": "system" }, { "content": "{'transcripts': array([{'end_time': '0:05', 'start_time': '0:00', 'text': 'Kargil war, one of the greatest wars in all of Indian history.'},\n {'end_time': '0:08', 'start_time': '0:05', 'text': \"Today's episode is a first hand account of the Kargil war.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:11', 'start_time': '0:09', 'text': 'Thanks to colonel Krishnan Srinivasan.'},\n {'end_time': '0:23', 'start_time': '0:12', 'text': \"Without elaborating much on this particular episode, what I will say is that army episodes are the most exciting PRS episodes, and this is one of the most exciting army episodes that we've recorded.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:26', 'start_time': '0:24', 'text': 'Remember to follow the RMB Show on Spotify.'},\n {'end_time': '0:33', 'start_time': '0:26', 'text': \"We're Spotify exclusive now, which means that every episode is available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:38', 'start_time': '0:33', 'text': \"And without further ado, this is Colonel Krishnan Srinivasan's story.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:39', 'start_time': '0:38', 'text': 'Enjoy yourselves.'},\n {'end_time': '0:59', 'start_time': '0:56', 'text': 'Krishna and Srinivasan, honor having you on the show, sir.'},\n {'end_time': '1:00', 'start_time': '0:59', 'text': 'A pleasure.'},\n {'end_time': '1:05', 'start_time': '1:00', 'text': 'I think entirely my pleasure to having a chat up with you.'},\n {'end_time': '1:08', 'start_time': '1:05', 'text': 'Been seeing you on, the screen so often.'},\n {'end_time': '1:11', 'start_time': '1:08', 'text': \"So I guess now it's live for the first time.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:16', 'start_time': '1:11', 'text': 'For an army veteran to say that to me really ticks some of my egoistic personal career boxes.'},\n {'end_time': '1:26', 'start_time': '1:17', 'text': \"But, so with this podcast, these army conversations are the ones I look forward to the most and I'm dead sure it's the conversations that the audience looks forward to the most.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:28', 'start_time': '1:26', 'text': 'I am looking forward to it too.'},\n {'end_time': '1:32', 'start_time': '1:28', 'text': \"And, let's see how it goes and, how far does it reach?\"},\n {'end_time': '1:32', 'start_time': '1:32', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '1:41', 'start_time': '1:33', 'text': \"So, so I'm sure, you'd be familiar that in pop culture, we don't see too many movies about the Indian army.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:44', 'start_time': '1:41', 'text': 'We see a lot more movies about the American army.'},\n {'end_time': '1:48', 'start_time': '1:45', 'text': 'And I think captain Raghu actually told me that I know you worked with captain Raghu.'},\n {'end_time': '1:48', 'start_time': '1:48', 'text': 'Yeah, I did.'},\n {'end_time': '1:53', 'start_time': '1:48', 'text': 'He said that maybe the one thing the Indian army is trying to work on nowadays is the branding of it in the public eye.'},\n {'end_time': '1:56', 'start_time': '1:54', 'text': \"You know, that's, that's the kind of, that's right.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:59', 'start_time': '1:56', 'text': \"That's the box that people are trying to take lately.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:07', 'start_time': '1:59', 'text': \"And I'm glad that, you know, through YouTube and through this podcasting platform, we're kind of aiding the army in that, with that, situation.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:11', 'start_time': '2:08', 'text': 'So, but specifically recently there was a movie called Shersha.'},\n {'end_time': '2:11', 'start_time': '2:11', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '2:18', 'start_time': '2:11', 'text': \"Which, I'm sure, you know, you've heard of, it's about 1 captain Vikram Batra.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:22', 'start_time': '2:18', 'text': \"I'm getting goose pimples because it's just not heard.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:24', 'start_time': '2:22', 'text': 'Let me say that I was there.'},\n {'end_time': '2:25', 'start_time': '2:24', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '2:33', 'start_time': '2:25', 'text': \"So, so this conversation specifically, while we've done a lot of army conversations on the show, we've never had one just about the Cargill war.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:38', 'start_time': '2:34', 'text': \"And, you know, we've seen Shersha we've seen movies like LOD cargo.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:39', 'start_time': '2:38', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '2:44', 'start_time': '2:39', 'text': 'You only understand the reality about the army up to a certain point.'},\n {'end_time': '2:48', 'start_time': '2:44', 'text': \"When, when you're an amateur, when you're a civilian, you understand it through movies.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:54', 'start_time': '2:50', 'text': \"We've not had podcasts like this till 2020, 2021, sir.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:57', 'start_time': '2:54', 'text': 'So I want, I want this episode to be kind of an inside look.'},\n {'end_time': '2:59', 'start_time': '2:57', 'text': 'Like what does an army man feel?'},\n {'end_time': '3:06', 'start_time': '2:59', 'text': \"When, when there's a, you know, war just around the corner when there's such a historic war just around the corner.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:07', 'start_time': '3:06', 'text': 'All right.'},\n {'end_time': '3:07', 'start_time': '3:07', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '3:11', 'start_time': '3:08', 'text': 'Let me just put this, in a disclaimer.'},\n {'end_time': '3:23', 'start_time': '3:11', 'text': \"I haven't seen any of these movies and, I've just refused to see them because I feel there's, nothing more than actually having been in it live.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:33', 'start_time': '3:24', 'text': \"I don't need somebody else to, you know, tell me what happened because, I've been through it right from the beginning till the end, you know?\"},\n {'end_time': '3:44', 'start_time': '3:34', 'text': 'So, yeah, this is the time when, I was, commanding my unit and, we were deployed, in the Valley as close to a place called Baramulla.'},\n {'end_time': '3:54', 'start_time': '3:46', 'text': 'And, the one fine day we were, I just got a call from the headquarters, saying, Krish, how many vehicles do you need?'},\n {'end_time': '3:58', 'start_time': '3:55', 'text': \"And that's how the whole thing, you know, sort of jolted me.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:59', 'start_time': '3:58', 'text': 'I said, so for what?'},\n {'end_time': '4:02', 'start_time': '4:00', 'text': \"So he says you still haven't got your orders.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:03', 'start_time': '4:02', 'text': \"It's as I said, no.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:06', 'start_time': '4:03', 'text': 'He said your commander will speak to you and then let me know.'},\n {'end_time': '4:14', 'start_time': '4:07', 'text': \"And that's when, things sort of, you know, just shook me up and, we were all in the mess, waiting to have our lunch.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:17', 'start_time': '4:14', 'text': 'And, obviously with me, with my team out there.'},\n {'end_time': '4:33', 'start_time': '4:18', 'text': 'And, this was in the early part of May 99 when, the rest of the world really did not even know that something amiss, had happened or was happening, further up in Cargill.'},\n {'end_time': '4:38', 'start_time': '4:34', 'text': \"So, yeah, that's when, things actually, started for me.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:57', 'start_time': '4:38', 'text': 'And, we were one of the, initial units, that got moved into the sector, at that point in time, basically as some kind of, you know, immediate, reinforcements to go and then plug the, you know, loopholes that were there and, you know, beef up the deployment.'},\n {'end_time': '5:01', 'start_time': '4:57', 'text': 'And we are still trying to gauge exactly what was happening out there.'},\n {'end_time': '5:04', 'start_time': '5:01', 'text': \"And, that's how I got sort of, moved.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:09', 'start_time': '5:04', 'text': \"And that's a very, unique story in itself by then.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:15', 'start_time': '5:09', 'text': \"So at this point, what was your thought process versus what do you think the unit's thought process was as a whole?\"},\n {'end_time': '5:16', 'start_time': '5:16', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '5:18', 'start_time': '5:17', 'text': 'Let me put it this way.'},\n {'end_time': '5:21', 'start_time': '5:19', 'text': 'My unit was a Russian rifles unit.'},\n {'end_time': '5:32', 'start_time': '5:22', 'text': 'Now, the organization, the structure, the training, the equipment of a Russian rifles unit is basically for counterinsurgency and that kind of a thing.'},\n {'end_time': '5:44', 'start_time': '5:33', 'text': 'So what is counterinsurgency for the Now, basically, I mean, it is your, talking of, the elements, who are, you know, picking up arms against the nation.'},\n {'end_time': '5:47', 'start_time': '5:44', 'text': \"You know, that's really what, insurgency is about.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:48', 'start_time': '5:47', 'text': 'Am I allowed to say the word?'},\n {'end_time': '5:48', 'start_time': '5:48', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '5:48', 'start_time': '5:48', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '5:50', 'start_time': '5:48', 'text': \"It's counter terrorism.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:51', 'start_time': '5:50', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '5:51', 'start_time': '5:51', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '6:03', 'start_time': '5:51', 'text': \"The, next level of insurgency would be terrorism where the mode of, you know, putting a message across, you know, is something more dramatic and that's how, you know, terrorism comes.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:12', 'start_time': '6:03', 'text': 'So initially in those days, the, when we used to be, talking about it, it was more in the form of what they used to call as an A and E, you know, anti national elements.'},\n {'end_time': '6:13', 'start_time': '6:13', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '6:25', 'start_time': '6:13', 'text': \"So in the way insurgents and A and E's and what have you and the terrorism was a term that got coined a little later, as I know the enormity of it, you know, sort of, sunken.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:44', 'start_time': '6:26', 'text': \"So, like I was saying, you know, my unit was not really geared up for, a move in this classical sense, because when you are, deployed in a counterinsurgency, you know, grid, as you say, you have these bases all over and where you have pockets, which you're occupying and you dominate that area around.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:46', 'start_time': '6:44', 'text': \"So that's how it is.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:55', 'start_time': '6:48', 'text': \"I don't think there was any time in the history of the Russian refills where a unit was asked to upstick overnight and then move to another sector.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:00', 'start_time': '6:56', 'text': 'So, that itself was, you know, traumatic in that sense.'},\n {'end_time': '7:09', 'start_time': '7:01', 'text': \"Second thing is we weren't too sure as what exactly was happening and what is it that we were, expected to go and do out there?\"},\n {'end_time': '7:16', 'start_time': '7:10', 'text': \"All that they, I was told is that, there's, I mean, there's some risks, you know, in the air.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:18', 'start_time': '7:16', 'text': \"There's some problem, up there.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:21', 'start_time': '7:18', 'text': \"And, so that that's all we had.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:22', 'start_time': '7:21', 'text': 'And so I was told that you go there.'},\n {'end_time': '7:25', 'start_time': '7:22', 'text': 'So, I still remember asking my commander.'},\n {'end_time': '7:27', 'start_time': '7:25', 'text': 'I said, so whom do I go in and report to?'},\n {'end_time': '7:32', 'start_time': '7:27', 'text': 'I mean, if I have to go there, I gotta then, go and tell, and announce my presence to somebody.'},\n {'end_time': '7:35', 'start_time': '7:33', 'text': \"He says, we ourselves don't know who's where.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:42', 'start_time': '7:35', 'text': 'So he says, you just keep going along this road and moment you first, I mean, you come across the 1st headquarter of that.'},\n {'end_time': '7:46', 'start_time': '7:42', 'text': 'You just go and then plonk yourself and then, you know, they will take it from there.'},\n {'end_time': '7:48', 'start_time': '7:46', 'text': \"So that's literally what had happened.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:02', 'start_time': '7:49', 'text': 'And, the, so overnight we had to move and, I had, you know, almost over a 1,000, men, you know, standard, Russian rebels battalion has about 1200 men.'},\n {'end_time': '8:07', 'start_time': '8:03', 'text': 'And obviously there would have been people away on leave and, other kinds of commitments.'},\n {'end_time': '8:11', 'start_time': '8:07', 'text': 'So we would be less less than 1,000 odd guys whom I had to move, literally overnight.'},\n {'end_time': '8:14', 'start_time': '8:12', 'text': 'And I was going 24 hours to move.'},\n {'end_time': '8:20', 'start_time': '8:14', 'text': 'And, you know, our deployment is such we were spread into the interiors of the Baramulla district.'},\n {'end_time': '8:28', 'start_time': '8:20', 'text': 'And so to pull them down and then, you know, get them onto the road and and then, you know, load up the vehicles and go, it would have taken a little bit of time.'},\n {'end_time': '8:31', 'start_time': '8:28', 'text': \"So I think this is what the agenda doesn't understand about the army.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:32', 'start_time': '8:31', 'text': 'So much of it is logistics.'},\n {'end_time': '8:32', 'start_time': '8:32', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '8:33', 'start_time': '8:32', 'text': 'It it is.'},\n {'end_time': '8:35', 'start_time': '8:33', 'text': 'There is a difference about logistics.'},\n {'end_time': '8:35', 'start_time': '8:35', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '8:41', 'start_time': '8:35', 'text': \"And, we had I don't I think captain Raghu actually mentioned on the podcast that war is one or lost based on logistics.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:43', 'start_time': '8:42', 'text': 'I I would agree with that.'},\n {'end_time': '8:44', 'start_time': '8:44', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '8:55', 'start_time': '8:44', 'text': \"Because, I mean, ultimately, a soldier can do what he can do, but then if he doesn't have the ammunition to, you know, respond to a fire, I mean, he's a sitting duck literally then.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:57', 'start_time': '8:55', 'text': \"I'm guessing all the food or the backup.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:58', 'start_time': '8:57', 'text': 'Are the food okay?'},\n {'end_time': '8:58', 'start_time': '8:58', 'text': 'Fine.'},\n {'end_time': '9:01', 'start_time': '8:58', 'text': 'You can still survive for a couple of days without food, you know?'},\n {'end_time': '9:07', 'start_time': '9:01', 'text': 'At at the heat of the moment when you are in battle, nobody thinks of hunger or thirst or something of that sort.'},\n {'end_time': '9:15', 'start_time': '9:08', 'text': \"And of course, it'll bring me to another, you know, a very, interesting anecdote when you're talking about the food when we, went in out there.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:19', 'start_time': '9:15', 'text': 'I hope I remember when I come to that part of the story.'},\n {'end_time': '9:25', 'start_time': '9:20', 'text': 'So so the I mean, literally it was that, you know, which of the the company bases which are closer to the road.'},\n {'end_time': '9:25', 'start_time': '9:25', 'text': 'I said, okay.'},\n {'end_time': '9:27', 'start_time': '9:25', 'text': 'You guys are the 1st flock to move.'},\n {'end_time': '9:30', 'start_time': '9:28', 'text': 'The others will move in 24 hours later.'},\n {'end_time': '9:34', 'start_time': '9:31', 'text': 'And, I just, told my senior most, community monitor.'},\n {'end_time': '9:43', 'start_time': '9:34', 'text': \"I said, you take the first half of the, convoy and then, I'll follow-up with the second half of the convoy because we couldn't have gone in one whole, group.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:51', 'start_time': '9:44', 'text': 'And, yeah, 24 hours later, we just wound up and then, the question then came is, you know, how do you sort of fill up the vacuum?'},\n {'end_time': '9:56', 'start_time': '9:51', 'text': 'I know by, us, moving out from there, there would have been a vacuum created in there.'},\n {'end_time': '10:06', 'start_time': '9:56', 'text': 'So the neighboring units were told, you know, you just come in and then, you know, just try and spread out a little bit and then occupy as much of the area and look after it in one of our sense that it was.'},\n {'end_time': '10:11', 'start_time': '10:06', 'text': 'So first for an absolute amateur listener, we have a lot of Gen Z listeners.'},\n {'end_time': '10:17', 'start_time': '10:11', 'text': \"You're born after the year 2000, who probably don't know much about the Cargill war situation anyway.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:21', 'start_time': '10:17', 'text': 'So if you could very briefly explain the geopolitical scenario, what had happened?'},\n {'end_time': '10:27', 'start_time': '10:21', 'text': 'What had caused the Cargill war in terms of what set off these events and what was the whole war about?'},\n {'end_time': '10:28', 'start_time': '10:27', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '10:41', 'start_time': '10:29', 'text': 'Kargil actually was, if I would, say a little bit of, mischief played by the, then, Pakistani army chief, general Barvez Musharraf.'},\n {'end_time': '10:52', 'start_time': '10:42', 'text': 'Because just before that, you know, we had the, then prime minister of India, mister Bajpai, meet with the, you know, Pakistani, prime minister, Nawa Sharif.'},\n {'end_time': '10:55', 'start_time': '10:52', 'text': 'And that was all bonhomie, around there.'},\n {'end_time': '11:09', 'start_time': '10:56', 'text': 'And, Musharraf, tried to take advantage of, that, you know, slight possibly easing off and the, friendliness friendliness that was prevalent at that time, to basically prove a point.'},\n {'end_time': '11:21', 'start_time': '11:09', 'text': 'And, what came out, much later was, that, even the Pakistani prime minister was taken by surprise by all this, scheme that, General Musharraf had worked out.'},\n {'end_time': '11:32', 'start_time': '11:21', 'text': 'So his basic intention was to cut off, you know, this part of, the North of Zuzila and cut off the, you know, lay cargo sector entirely by interdicting the highway.'},\n {'end_time': '11:41', 'start_time': '11:33', 'text': \"And, then would probably, you know, find a solution for the Kashmir's problem in a different, you know, method that he was probably, trying to adopt.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:43', 'start_time': '11:41', 'text': 'Kind of trying to snatch Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '11:50', 'start_time': '11:43', 'text': \"So I'm gonna snatch and then, you know, because, you see, all these areas are, snowbound, during the winters.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:01', 'start_time': '11:50', 'text': \"And it's only around in May, June that the, roads, kind of sort of open up, you know, and we were probably one of the first convoys to cross Zuzila, which is snowbound.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:06', 'start_time': '12:01', 'text': 'And so, traditionally, you know, all the traffic in the winters come to a standstill.'},\n {'end_time': '12:12', 'start_time': '12:06', 'text': \"And, you know, that's why you all these units which are in Kargil and all, they have what we call as a winter stocking, you know.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:22', 'start_time': '12:12', 'text': \"They're stocked up for, you know, food and fuel and, you know, everything else that, you need administratively so that you can take care of yourself, during the winters.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:24', 'start_time': '12:22', 'text': 'There were no mobile phones in those days.'},\n {'end_time': '12:25', 'start_time': '12:24', 'text': 'I mean, they were nonexistent.'},\n {'end_time': '12:45', 'start_time': '12:25', 'text': 'So you were only on the, you know, radio sets and VHF communication and, you know, moving in and, the you know, because, you know, we had this, STD booths, you know, that that was a big thing in those days, you know, where you would, go and then then dial in and then pay up your numb you know, whatever billing that used to come.'},\n {'end_time': '12:47', 'start_time': '12:45', 'text': 'So those are the only means of communications you had.'},\n {'end_time': '12:52', 'start_time': '12:47', 'text': 'And so we, moved into, Zozilla.'},\n {'end_time': '13:09', 'start_time': '12:52', 'text': \"We crossed Zozilla and we were probably one of the first few convoys that crossed Zozilla in the summers and, we came down, Zozilla and, that is when the the first convoy of mine, which we had a 24 hours lead time, I wasn't be able to communicate with them.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:15', 'start_time': '13:09', 'text': 'And, they had, and I, I know whether to call it a horror story or something of that sort.'},\n {'end_time': '13:24', 'start_time': '13:15', 'text': 'But then, yeah, I mean, this is the first time, that, you know, many of us actually, experienced, you know, live artillery shelling on you.'},\n {'end_time': '13:25', 'start_time': '13:24', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '13:31', 'start_time': '13:25', 'text': \"Now traditionally, what happens is, you know, along the line of control, we've been always having these commercials with, the Pakistanis.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:35', 'start_time': '13:31', 'text': \"And, they're mostly restricted to small arms exchanges.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:36', 'start_time': '13:35', 'text': 'You mean bullets?'},\n {'end_time': '13:37', 'start_time': '13:36', 'text': 'Bullets.'},\n {'end_time': '13:37', 'start_time': '13:37', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '13:40', 'start_time': '13:37', 'text': 'Used to file rifles and machine guns and things like that.'},\n {'end_time': '13:50', 'start_time': '13:40', 'text': \"Those things that we've been having, even in the eighties when we were deployed out there, we used to keep having these, you know, skirmishes with them and more of exchange of fire that goes on.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:59', 'start_time': '13:52', 'text': 'Rarely did it sort of escalate to, you know, the heavier weapons, which is what the artillery is supposed to be.'},\n {'end_time': '14:03', 'start_time': '13:59', 'text': 'So here we were, actually at the receiving end of the artillery.'},\n {'end_time': '14:19', 'start_time': '14:04', 'text': \"And, you know, in terms of training, we have a process, that you are put through, you know, what's known as a battle inoculation, you know, where the, sound and feel of actually being under live fire, you experience, that.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:30', 'start_time': '14:20', 'text': 'But then, you know, for all the experience that you might have had, in terms of, battle inoculation to be under live fire is a totally different kind of an experience.'},\n {'end_time': '14:35', 'start_time': '14:31', 'text': 'So could you also just, again, for the listeners, explain what artillery fire is?'},\n {'end_time': '14:37', 'start_time': '14:35', 'text': 'Artillery fire is okay.'},\n {'end_time': '14:41', 'start_time': '14:37', 'text': \"It's basically, very heavy shell of, explosives.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:43', 'start_time': '14:41', 'text': 'Like a modern day cannon?'},\n {'end_time': '14:44', 'start_time': '14:43', 'text': \"I I I'm cool.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:44', 'start_time': '14:44', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '14:47', 'start_time': '14:44', 'text': \"It's a much more upgraded version of a cannon.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:52', 'start_time': '14:47', 'text': 'And, you have, you know, ranges that goes to about 40 kilometers or so.'},\n {'end_time': '14:55', 'start_time': '14:52', 'text': 'And, it is, you know, a weapon that fires on a high trajectory.'},\n {'end_time': '15:01', 'start_time': '14:55', 'text': \"So it's able to go over the hills and the mountains and then, you know, reach, it's designated, target area.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:06', 'start_time': '15:02', 'text': 'For the sake of bringing up the subject of 1, Ajay just wrote here.'},\n {'end_time': '15:12', 'start_time': '15:06', 'text': 'He was a soldier who actually lost his life in, I think right before the Kargil war.'},\n {'end_time': '15:16', 'start_time': '15:12', 'text': \"There's a scene in the movie where one of the bases is being attacked by artillery fire.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:23', 'start_time': '15:17', 'text': \"And that's where I think the armed and the gets to know the power of something like artillery fire as well.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:27', 'start_time': '15:23', 'text': 'And I think he had lost his life while saving, 6 other army men.'},\n {'end_time': '15:29', 'start_time': '15:27', 'text': \"That's also shown in the movie.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:29', 'start_time': '15:29', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '15:35', 'start_time': '15:30', 'text': \"So but when you are at the receiving end of it, how do you know it's begun?\"},\n {'end_time': '15:37', 'start_time': '15:36', 'text': \"What's, what's the overall mood?\"},\n {'end_time': '15:43', 'start_time': '15:37', 'text': \"Because I'm sure the soldier inside each of you all gets turned on your training gets turned on.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:45', 'start_time': '15:43', 'text': 'So, firstly, okay.'},\n {'end_time': '15:51', 'start_time': '15:45', 'text': 'So what happened to was, moment where we were this entire moment of ours, across the Zuzela was by day.'},\n {'end_time': '16:02', 'start_time': '15:51', 'text': \"But the moment we went to the other side, you know, across the hill and then came down, from Zuzela, we were told that, it, there's a, you know, sort of a holding kind of an area, the open space that is there.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:03', 'start_time': '16:02', 'text': 'We told you, you just park out here.'},\n {'end_time': '16:07', 'start_time': '16:04', 'text': 'Here and after all moment is going to take place by night.'},\n {'end_time': '16:08', 'start_time': '16:07', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '16:13', 'start_time': '16:08', 'text': 'And for obvious reasons, the place was already under shelling by the Pakistanis.'},\n {'end_time': '16:19', 'start_time': '16:13', 'text': 'And so, when you move in a convoy at night, the biggest challenge is there are no lights.'},\n {'end_time': '16:22', 'start_time': '16:20', 'text': \"You're not allowed to use your headlights.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:23', 'start_time': '16:22', 'text': 'Alright?'},\n {'end_time': '16:28', 'start_time': '16:23', 'text': \"So you're literally feeling your way through darkness when you're going.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:44', 'start_time': '16:29', 'text': 'Now, the, guns, they also know that obviously by day or, if they are watching you in whatever way they, do, they can pick you as a target.'},\n {'end_time': '16:46', 'start_time': '16:44', 'text': \"By night it's a little difficult.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:57', 'start_time': '16:47', 'text': \"So what they do in, at night, you know, it's almost like a, you know, pre planned kind of a productive fire where they know that these are the spots that they would possibly be on.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:04', 'start_time': '16:57', 'text': \"So at, you know, at intervals they'll keep plonking some shells on those areas at that target area.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:13', 'start_time': '17:04', 'text': \"Just hoping that they get somebody at that point in time, you know, because it's not a, you know, that you're viewing a target and tracking somebody and then targeting that person.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:19', 'start_time': '17:14', 'text': 'You just, you know, plonking shells out there and then seeing, you know, if you might just get hit lucky.'},\n {'end_time': '17:25', 'start_time': '17:20', 'text': 'So we have to reach, that place.'},\n {'end_time': '17:27', 'start_time': '17:25', 'text': 'And, this is the welcome we got at night.'},\n {'end_time': '17:31', 'start_time': '17:27', 'text': 'The only, advantage I had was I was coming 24 hours later.'},\n {'end_time': '17:44', 'start_time': '17:32', 'text': 'So my first group that went in the previous day, they experienced it firsthand and they were able to sort of forewarn me and tell me that this is what it is and, you have to do it.'},\n {'end_time': '17:46', 'start_time': '17:44', 'text': 'So what what does the instinct tell you?'},\n {'end_time': '17:51', 'start_time': '17:46', 'text': 'The moment the shelling of that sort is, we try to move out of that area as quickly as possible.'},\n {'end_time': '17:52', 'start_time': '17:51', 'text': \"That's one.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:00', 'start_time': '17:52', 'text': \"And the, other thing is, you know, this is all very very hilly terrain in a mountainous, not even hilly, I'd say, mountainous, terrain.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:06', 'start_time': '18:00', 'text': \"So what you do is, you know, when these shells, come in, there's a trajectory of the, artillery shells.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:17', 'start_time': '18:07', 'text': \"So if you go and hug the mountain side, literally, it's very less, chance of you getting hit by a direct shell.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:26', 'start_time': '18:17', 'text': \"Unless it's going to drop vertically 90 degrees, you know, then it's going to be, you know, we're very unlucky or a lucky shot for the other guy.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:41', 'start_time': '18:26', 'text': 'But the point is that, you tend to, you know, go and hug the, mountain side and then, you know, tuck yourself in whatever little gaps and spaces that are available so that you can then, you know, protect yourself from a direct, you know, hit in that sense.'},\n {'end_time': '18:43', 'start_time': '18:41', 'text': 'How big is one explosion of that?'},\n {'end_time': '18:44', 'start_time': '18:43', 'text': 'I mean, okay.'},\n {'end_time': '18:52', 'start_time': '18:44', 'text': 'I mean, it it did take you about, easily, one of the heavier shells will travel 20, 30 meters will, everything will be neutralized.'},\n {'end_time': '18:54', 'start_time': '18:52', 'text': \"There's nothing that's going to be left to, out there.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:00', 'start_time': '18:54', 'text': 'And then of course, then the shrapnel and then all that will sort of spread over, a 100 of meters.'},\n {'end_time': '19:04', 'start_time': '19:00', 'text': \"And if you're in a vehicle and all those things, you can get hit through and through that.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:06', 'start_time': '19:05', 'text': 'So those kinds of things.'},\n {'end_time': '19:08', 'start_time': '19:06', 'text': \"And that's what also causes the, damage.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:12', 'start_time': '19:08', 'text': 'I reached Dras and that is where the headquarters, was.'},\n {'end_time': '19:21', 'start_time': '19:12', 'text': 'That first headquarters that, we and then and then we were then told, you know, deploy yourself here, there, and, that whole areas, to be, covered.'},\n {'end_time': '19:33', 'start_time': '19:21', 'text': 'And, the specific area that was given to me to cover was, a Valley called the Mushko Valley, which is emanating from, Dras because there was nobody out there.'},\n {'end_time': '19:38', 'start_time': '19:33', 'text': 'And there was a suspicion that the intrusion that is taking place is probably headed that way.'},\n {'end_time': '19:44', 'start_time': '19:38', 'text': 'And, Moscow is running parallel to this highway from Srinagar to Leh.'},\n {'end_time': '19:47', 'start_time': '19:45', 'text': \"And, that's the target that they had.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:54', 'start_time': '19:48', 'text': 'And, the Ras comes on that way, on that particular part of the highway.'},\n {'end_time': '19:57', 'start_time': '19:54', 'text': 'And that is where they were targeting everything.'},\n {'end_time': '20:04', 'start_time': '19:58', 'text': 'And of course, now with hindsight, we later on as things develop, we got to know that they were sitting at Tolo Ling, which is just overlooking the Ras.'},\n {'end_time': '20:08', 'start_time': '20:05', 'text': 'And that is where they were directing all the shelling from.'},\n {'end_time': '20:15', 'start_time': '20:09', 'text': \"And, that's how we sort of got inducted and, you know, we reached out there in the night.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:21', 'start_time': '20:15', 'text': 'And the amazing part of it is, you know, the we are not geared up for a deployment of this kind.'},\n {'end_time': '20:24', 'start_time': '20:21', 'text': \"We didn't have maps, of that area.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:42', 'start_time': '20:24', 'text': 'I still remember that moving from, Baramulla to Srinagar and onwards to, Adras, I picked up tourist maps, J and K tourist maps, and then, use them to sort of find my way up because at that stage, there were no maps of the area.'},\n {'end_time': '20:43', 'start_time': '20:42', 'text': 'And then I reached the headquarters.'},\n {'end_time': '20:52', 'start_time': '20:43', 'text': 'We literally had, you know, parts of the map photocopied and then given to us and then distributed around, for people to use as references.'},\n {'end_time': '21:13', 'start_time': '20:53', 'text': \"And, they're like, I just, you know, today I was reading and they're like, anecdote to where, you know, children today, somebody commented, you know, I can't believe that you used, paper maps to, get guided by, you know, the days gone by because today you're so used to seeing, you know, the Google maps and, all such kind of aids.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:15', 'start_time': '21:13', 'text': 'They were non existent in those days.'},\n {'end_time': '21:21', 'start_time': '21:15', 'text': 'I mean, the most you had, GPS trackers, like the Garmin and things of that sort, which are there.'},\n {'end_time': '21:24', 'start_time': '21:22', 'text': \"And, there's nothing else to it.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:32', 'start_time': '21:25', 'text': 'So the point is, you know, we got inducted, literally, under fire and, we were blind in that sense.'},\n {'end_time': '21:38', 'start_time': '21:32', 'text': \"I still remember, you know, if you look at, and we didn't know there's no no guides.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:44', 'start_time': '21:38', 'text': \"I mean, what what do you see on a on a photocopy sheet of a map and you're told that, you know, this is the general direction you go.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:46', 'start_time': '21:44', 'text': \"And when you're traveling by night, there's shelling going on.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:47', 'start_time': '21:46', 'text': \"There's no ambient light.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:48', 'start_time': '21:47', 'text': \"You can't switch on your headlights.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:52', 'start_time': '21:49', 'text': 'And how do you then identify that this is the route that I could need to take?'},\n {'end_time': '21:54', 'start_time': '21:52', 'text': \"Because there's no road that is marked out of there.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:58', 'start_time': '21:54', 'text': \"There's no no route markings or, you know, of anything of that sort.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:07', 'start_time': '21:59', 'text': 'So, I still remember I had my, medical officer who with me and then I had, you know, given him a few vehicles to command.'},\n {'end_time': '22:17', 'start_time': '22:07', 'text': \"And then I said, you move on and I'm just following up after the little bit of briefing and, then we asked them, is it how they said the first Nala that comes on the left, you take get a road that is Mashkur Nala.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:23', 'start_time': '22:18', 'text': \"And, you know, if you see the map today, probably you'll probably see it.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:28', 'start_time': '22:23', 'text': 'He had gone into another Nala, which is the Sando Nala, I still remember.'},\n {'end_time': '22:32', 'start_time': '22:28', 'text': 'And, and these those are small little tracks, actually.'},\n {'end_time': '22:32', 'start_time': '22:32', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '22:35', 'start_time': '22:32', 'text': \"They're not meant for heavy vehicle movement.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:41', 'start_time': '22:35', 'text': 'He took off into that one, which is a totally different tangent, realized after going some distance that that is not the way.'},\n {'end_time': '22:45', 'start_time': '22:41', 'text': 'There was no place for him to maneuver and then reverse his vehicles and come back.'},\n {'end_time': '22:48', 'start_time': '22:45', 'text': 'It was, you know, comedy of errors.'},\n {'end_time': '22:54', 'start_time': '22:48', 'text': \"And at that point in time, I mean, you were totally flustered and you didn't know what was happening actually.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:00', 'start_time': '22:56', 'text': \"There's cursing each other and then trying to find your way around out there.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:00', 'start_time': '23:00', 'text': 'I mean, today, okay.'},\n {'end_time': '23:02', 'start_time': '23:00', 'text': \"So I'll sit back and then I'll laugh at it.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:07', 'start_time': '23:02', 'text': 'But at that point in time, I know you just, you know, almost helpless in that sense.'},\n {'end_time': '23:15', 'start_time': '23:07', 'text': \"You know, we're trying to find and gather everybody around and then so it's literally, you know, that, you see on dark kind of a patch and then you say, oh, yeah.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:16', 'start_time': '23:15', 'text': 'That must be the Nala.'},\n {'end_time': '23:18', 'start_time': '23:16', 'text': \"And then that's the direction in which I you headed up.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:20', 'start_time': '23:18', 'text': \"And that's how you went in out there.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:32', 'start_time': '23:21', 'text': \"And, it's only then, early morning when they'll, you know, the light, the, you know, ambient light improved that you then aligned yourself and found where you were.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:36', 'start_time': '23:33', 'text': 'Well, till that time you actually had no clue of where you were.'},\n {'end_time': '23:41', 'start_time': '23:36', 'text': 'And then the, the only thing is I guess, the Lord was kind to us.'},\n {'end_time': '23:46', 'start_time': '23:41', 'text': 'We got inducted without a single casualty, that helped.'},\n {'end_time': '23:57', 'start_time': '23:46', 'text': 'And then of course my troops were spread out, wherever, you know, the perceived gaps with it were there and then to fill up and protect the highway.'},\n {'end_time': '24:04', 'start_time': '23:57', 'text': \"And so we would deploy it out there and then we pushed everybody up and they're logging everything up and then, doing all that.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:05', 'start_time': '24:04', 'text': 'It took a couple of days.'},\n {'end_time': '24:19', 'start_time': '24:07', 'text': 'So then really, you know, we were obviously spread along, the Nalas, you know, because, the initial information was that, there were a lot of militants who had self infiltrated.'},\n {'end_time': '24:26', 'start_time': '24:20', 'text': 'And traditionally, the roots of infiltration are along these, you know, little streams or Nalas as we call them.'},\n {'end_time': '24:29', 'start_time': '24:26', 'text': \"Because that's the pathways that Delhi go along that.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:40', 'start_time': '24:30', 'text': \"So, we'd sort of deployed ourselves to cover all those, you know, the nala's coming from the, Pakistani side and, hopefully had got all the areas covered.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:48', 'start_time': '24:42', 'text': 'So after a couple of days, you know, then, a little bit of helicopter reconnaissance and all sorts of because the information started trickling in.'},\n {'end_time': '24:51', 'start_time': '24:49', 'text': 'Either the enemy is at these points.'},\n {'end_time': '24:53', 'start_time': '24:51', 'text': \"Ah, that that that's a different story.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:53', 'start_time': '24:53', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '24:54', 'start_time': '24:53', 'text': \"I mean, that's okay.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:55', 'start_time': '24:54', 'text': 'So that is what it is.'},\n {'end_time': '25:06', 'start_time': '24:56', 'text': 'So, I, along with, one more, and, of, the deputy commander of the brigade there, we were then given a helicopter sorties.'},\n {'end_time': '25:09', 'start_time': '25:06', 'text': 'So they go up in the air and try and see what is happening.'},\n {'end_time': '25:16', 'start_time': '25:10', 'text': 'So, we used to go to the Draz helipad and then this flying used to be done by day.'},\n {'end_time': '25:21', 'start_time': '25:17', 'text': \"And the, the helicopters used to come in from Kargil because that's where the base was.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:28', 'start_time': '25:21', 'text': 'They used to come to Draz and pick us up and, do a quick reconnaissance and then, you know, drop us back.'},\n {'end_time': '25:31', 'start_time': '25:28', 'text': 'And then we used to give the report and so on.'},\n {'end_time': '25:34', 'start_time': '25:31', 'text': \"And, that's when I, use this analogy.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:38', 'start_time': '25:34', 'text': 'You know, you have a map and, you know, you have this little marker pens that were there.'},\n {'end_time': '25:45', 'start_time': '25:38', 'text': 'And then, you know, on the map, you just read, see the ground and, you know, and there and then Mark out whatever you could see.'},\n {'end_time': '25:52', 'start_time': '25:45', 'text': 'And, typically you use the red mark to, indicate where the enemy is and then, you know, blue is your own side.'},\n {'end_time': '25:56', 'start_time': '25:52', 'text': \"And that's how, traditional marking is done on the maps.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:10', 'start_time': '25:56', 'text': 'And, literally every sortie that I went up in the air, and then came down, my red marks on the map used to keep increasing because I used to keep spotting them on the hilltops everywhere.'},\n {'end_time': '26:16', 'start_time': '26:10', 'text': 'And the, analogy that I used, you know, to describe that was almost like chicken pox.'},\n {'end_time': '26:17', 'start_time': '26:16', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '26:22', 'start_time': '26:17', 'text': 'I mean, you start seeing the red red red spots, you know, spreading on the on your body.'},\n {'end_time': '26:23', 'start_time': '26:22', 'text': 'It is literally that way.'},\n {'end_time': '26:29', 'start_time': '26:23', 'text': 'You know, the map was, almost getting filled by, red, you know, spots, indicating where he was.'},\n {'end_time': '26:32', 'start_time': '26:29', 'text': 'It is almost like chicken pox, coming up out there on the map.'},\n {'end_time': '26:36', 'start_time': '26:32', 'text': \"I think probably at this point you must have realized that it's not just a small problem and something is happening.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:46', 'start_time': '26:36', 'text': 'I mean, so we were, well, fortunately, unfortunately, one of the few guys who were, you know, inducted in the initial stages and are who are already there.'},\n {'end_time': '26:56', 'start_time': '26:46', 'text': 'And we were the guys who are actually then feeding back the information of the ground realities when then the picture became much, much more clear of the headquarters.'},\n {'end_time': '27:01', 'start_time': '26:56', 'text': \"There's It's something much more serious than what was, initially estimated.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:05', 'start_time': '27:03', 'text': 'And so we bore the brunt of that.'},\n {'end_time': '27:07', 'start_time': '27:05', 'text': \"And that's when we, you know, suffered our first guide.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:08', 'start_time': '27:07', 'text': 'So then what did we do?'},\n {'end_time': '27:09', 'start_time': '27:08', 'text': 'We were down in the Nalas.'},\n {'end_time': '27:14', 'start_time': '27:10', 'text': 'So then, the next thing that we did is start climbing up the, you know, features.'},\n {'end_time': '27:17', 'start_time': '27:14', 'text': \"They're they're they're like the spurs, you know, that come out from a feature.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:22', 'start_time': '27:17', 'text': \"And so, yeah, you're regular than the Nala and then you're now climbing up these spurs, you know, which are out there.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:29', 'start_time': '27:22', 'text': \"And try and then gauge wherever you went and then hit the, other guy because you don't know exactly where he was.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:35', 'start_time': '27:30', 'text': \"And wherever you went and made contact, and that's literally the word we use.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:36', 'start_time': '27:35', 'text': 'You make contact with the enemy.'},\n {'end_time': '27:42', 'start_time': '27:37', 'text': 'You then try to then, you know, bed yourself in, in that area, protect yourself.'},\n {'end_time': '27:43', 'start_time': '27:42', 'text': \"And there's no protection there.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:47', 'start_time': '27:43', 'text': \"I mean, there's no bunkers or there's no shelter out there.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:50', 'start_time': '27:47', 'text': 'There was just mountainous, huge rocks.'},\n {'end_time': '27:53', 'start_time': '27:50', 'text': 'You took shelter behind those rocks and protected yourself.'},\n {'end_time': '27:57', 'start_time': '27:54', 'text': 'And that was your living area for the days to come.'},\n {'end_time': '27:59', 'start_time': '27:58', 'text': 'Months to come.'},\n {'end_time': '28:00', 'start_time': '27:59', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '28:03', 'start_time': '28:01', 'text': 'And what did you have for protection?'},\n {'end_time': '28:12', 'start_time': '28:03', 'text': 'You then carried sandbags with you, filled up with whatever little bit of sand that you could and you carried it up there and those were your protection.'},\n {'end_time': '28:19', 'start_time': '28:15', 'text': 'And protection was basically from whatever, you know, firing that used to take place.'},\n {'end_time': '28:22', 'start_time': '28:20', 'text': \"There's nothing in terms of overhead protection.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:27', 'start_time': '28:22', 'text': 'You just had a little, you know, canvas sheet or something of that sort to just to protect you from the elements.'},\n {'end_time': '28:33', 'start_time': '28:28', 'text': 'But then those were the, kind of, situation that we went and then, you know, sort of positioned ourselves.'},\n {'end_time': '28:35', 'start_time': '28:33', 'text': 'What did you do for food?'},\n {'end_time': '28:38', 'start_time': '28:36', 'text': 'Food used to no.'},\n {'end_time': '28:40', 'start_time': '28:38', 'text': 'That comes with that other one.'},\n {'end_time': '28:51', 'start_time': '28:41', 'text': 'So, and actually what we do then is, the guys who are there, any supply to them of food and water used to take place only by night.'},\n {'end_time': '28:58', 'start_time': '28:51', 'text': 'And it is food is, you know, one set of meal that is cooked, which is breakfast, lunch, and dinner.'},\n {'end_time': '29:00', 'start_time': '28:58', 'text': \"And that it's 1 and the same thing.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:06', 'start_time': '29:00', 'text': 'And, it just, you know, packed up in little, you know, different boxes kind of thing.'},\n {'end_time': '29:13', 'start_time': '29:06', 'text': \"And, along with water and it's literally, you know, other men ferry it to these guys up there.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:20', 'start_time': '29:17', 'text': 'So all this takes place by night.'},\n {'end_time': '29:28', 'start_time': '29:21', 'text': \"And, the point is that there's no privacy, out there.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:32', 'start_time': '29:28', 'text': 'I mean, you want to, you know, have your daily ablutions.'},\n {'end_time': '29:34', 'start_time': '29:32', 'text': \"Also, there's no real space out there.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:40', 'start_time': '29:35', 'text': \"I mean, you go and then, then walk left and right, you're then exposed to fire.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:44', 'start_time': '29:41', 'text': \"That's how bad, the, situation is.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:54', 'start_time': '29:45', 'text': \"So then, you know, you get into a routine, you know, a couple of guys go there and then you couldn't put too many guys also on that little tiny ledge or whatever that you had in terms of space.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:56', 'start_time': '29:54', 'text': 'So you used to keep rotating these people.'},\n {'end_time': '30:01', 'start_time': '29:56', 'text': 'After about 2, 3 days then, you know, the next team goes out there and those guys come down and then, you know, do this.'},\n {'end_time': '30:02', 'start_time': '30:02', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '30:04', 'start_time': '30:02', 'text': 'Coming to the food part of it.'},\n {'end_time': '30:11', 'start_time': '30:04', 'text': \"Now normally when you move, you know, in this kind of, situation, You can't carry fresh vegetables.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:17', 'start_time': '30:12', 'text': 'So you get what is in the army parlance called the hard varieties, you know.'},\n {'end_time': '30:23', 'start_time': '30:17', 'text': \"Things like pumpkin and potatoes and, vegetables of that kind, which don't get spoiled so easily.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:25', 'start_time': '30:23', 'text': \"And it'll take you.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:37', 'start_time': '30:26', 'text': \"So, that's all we had in that 24 hours reaction time that we could get whatever, little bit of, you know, so called of these hard varieties of vegetables and little bit tins, thin vegetables that we carried.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:38', 'start_time': '30:37', 'text': 'And then we went in out there.'},\n {'end_time': '30:40', 'start_time': '30:38', 'text': \"It's all vegetarian food?\"},\n {'end_time': '30:41', 'start_time': '30:40', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '30:43', 'start_time': '30:41', 'text': 'I guess there were there were also thinned meat and things like that.'},\n {'end_time': '30:44', 'start_time': '30:43', 'text': \"I'm a vegetarian.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:49', 'start_time': '30:44', 'text': 'So, you know, they say what started to me was what was there in terms of vegetables?'},\n {'end_time': '30:59', 'start_time': '30:50', 'text': \"So, what was, I think is the the again, they're not typical, I would say typical, but then, yeah, the the bureaucracy of the system then.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:08', 'start_time': '30:59', 'text': 'I mean, nobody had, those, troops that we went under, you know, when Dras, they had never handled in Russia rifles unit.'},\n {'end_time': '31:15', 'start_time': '31:09', 'text': \"Now Russia rifles units, there's a historical story behind it where, you know, it was raised with a particular purpose.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:24', 'start_time': '31:15', 'text': \"And so, you know, it's so called accounting system, you know, for all the, budgeting and billing and everything else, it's a different system compared to the rest of the army.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:28', 'start_time': '31:25', 'text': 'So they never handled a unit like us.'},\n {'end_time': '31:32', 'start_time': '31:28', 'text': 'So they were not too sure as to how that whole process is going to be.'},\n {'end_time': '31:36', 'start_time': '31:32', 'text': 'So we never got any, supplement of rations from them.'},\n {'end_time': '31:40', 'start_time': '31:36', 'text': 'You know, at least in the initial days till all this paperwork was sort of resolved.'},\n {'end_time': '31:48', 'start_time': '31:41', 'text': 'So I still remember the 1st week and after 1 or 2 days when we exhausted one of our little bit of fresh vegetables that we carried and we had only pumpkin left, you know.'},\n {'end_time': '31:55', 'start_time': '31:48', 'text': 'So we had a pumpkin, as sabji, with puris in the morning for breakfast.'},\n {'end_time': '32:05', 'start_time': '31:55', 'text': \"We had pumpkin, with, rice or, chapati's for lunch and pumpkin for rice, with rice and, chapati's for dinner.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:08', 'start_time': '32:05', 'text': 'That was a standard meal for about a week.'},\n {'end_time': '32:11', 'start_time': '32:10', 'text': 'Add to it.'},\n {'end_time': '32:17', 'start_time': '32:11', 'text': 'We normally, you know, carried kerosene, with us And we used to have this, you know, oil cookers.'},\n {'end_time': '32:22', 'start_time': '32:17', 'text': 'And they they all that, fuel based, kerosene based, stoves that we had.'},\n {'end_time': '32:24', 'start_time': '32:23', 'text': 'We exhausted that also.'},\n {'end_time': '32:30', 'start_time': '32:24', 'text': 'And of that, it gets consumed and then, in those kind of altitudes, you need to cook stuff that much more longer.'},\n {'end_time': '32:34', 'start_time': '32:30', 'text': 'And of course the temperatures are such and, more fuel got consumed.'},\n {'end_time': '32:37', 'start_time': '32:35', 'text': 'We started running short of fuel.'},\n {'end_time': '32:54', 'start_time': '32:38', 'text': \"And, what we literally did now, those areas are, frequented under normal circumstances by these, you know, nomads, it's bakrawals and all these people who take their cattle and go grazing in those areas in the summer months and then bring it down to the villages.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:05', 'start_time': '32:54', 'text': 'We have literally collected dung of animals from that area and brought that as fuel for our cooking.'},\n {'end_time': '33:07', 'start_time': '33:07', 'text': 'Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '33:16', 'start_time': '33:08', 'text': 'This is how we survived initially till things, of course, you know, got stabilized and, you know, and things sort of improved.'},\n {'end_time': '33:21', 'start_time': '33:16', 'text': \"So, this was the initial few days where I'm still trying to gather what it was.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:24', 'start_time': '33:21', 'text': \"And it's only all our you know, my little helicopter reconnaissance.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:28', 'start_time': '33:24', 'text': 'And that also stopped one fine day when, our helicopters got shot at.'},\n {'end_time': '33:33', 'start_time': '33:28', 'text': 'And so, we were then, you know, grounded literally in that sense.'},\n {'end_time': '33:38', 'start_time': '33:33', 'text': \"Because after that, the helicopters went at such a high ceiling that you really couldn't see anything much on the ground.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:39', 'start_time': '33:38', 'text': \"And so it didn't make sense.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:54', 'start_time': '33:39', 'text': 'And so it was all our patrols that went up on the spurs and then, you know, wherever we went in a hit with the guys, we sort of then, you know, plonked ourselves and then, you know, build ourselves a little bit of protection and then stayed on out there.'},\n {'end_time': '33:55', 'start_time': '33:54', 'text': 'It was such time.'},\n {'end_time': '34:04', 'start_time': '33:55', 'text': 'They got cleared by 13 jackriff and 2 rajriff and the kind that came up much much later in the months of June, July that it happened.'},\n {'end_time': '34:05', 'start_time': '34:05', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '34:10', 'start_time': '34:05', 'text': 'So we were there till then and, hanging on, literally hanging on for our lives.'},\n {'end_time': '34:12', 'start_time': '34:10', 'text': 'How were those guys getting refueled?'},\n {'end_time': '34:13', 'start_time': '34:12', 'text': 'Like the enemy?'},\n {'end_time': '34:14', 'start_time': '34:14', 'text': 'What?'},\n {'end_time': '34:19', 'start_time': '34:15', 'text': 'They had, they had the advantage of terrain to them.'},\n {'end_time': '34:26', 'start_time': '34:20', 'text': 'The basis from which they were being maintained, were definitely more accessible than where we were, 1.'},\n {'end_time': '34:29', 'start_time': '34:27', 'text': 'They were better prepared for this kind of a thing.'},\n {'end_time': '34:31', 'start_time': '34:29', 'text': 'So they were well stocked in that sense.'},\n {'end_time': '34:55', 'start_time': '34:32', 'text': 'And, obviously they were better equipped, because now history says, they procured us so much of an Arctic kind of equipment, you know, clothing and, stuff like that, which, you know, from Switzerland and, other Scandinavian countries and the things of that kind, which, get them the wherewithal, for doing whatever they had planned to do.'},\n {'end_time': '34:57', 'start_time': '34:55', 'text': 'So they were better prepared.'},\n {'end_time': '35:00', 'start_time': '34:57', 'text': 'And this is probably across as in at all the competition.'},\n {'end_time': '35:07', 'start_time': '35:00', 'text': \"And these things we've, it's come out in hindsight, you know, at that point in time when we were facing the actions in there.\"},\n {'end_time': '35:13', 'start_time': '35:08', 'text': 'So, I mean, pardon me if this is a rude question, but did you ever get hit by a bullet or not me?'},\n {'end_time': '35:14', 'start_time': '35:13', 'text': 'No, no, not me.'},\n {'end_time': '35:19', 'start_time': '35:14', 'text': 'But then, yeah, we were targeted and, yeah, I was lucky to escape the shelling.'},\n {'end_time': '35:20', 'start_time': '35:19', 'text': 'Yes, definitely.'},\n {'end_time': '35:24', 'start_time': '35:20', 'text': 'But in your whole army tenure, have you, have you, you know, taken an injury?'},\n {'end_time': '35:26', 'start_time': '35:25', 'text': 'Not, not in the classical sense.'},\n {'end_time': '35:30', 'start_time': '35:26', 'text': 'No, but yeah, been very close to it, but not in that sense.'},\n {'end_time': '35:32', 'start_time': '35:30', 'text': 'Have you ever pondered upon that?'},\n {'end_time': '35:33', 'start_time': '35:32', 'text': 'Yeah, I did.'},\n {'end_time': '35:55', 'start_time': '35:34', 'text': 'What was the outcome of the pondering pondering was well, the pondering happened, when after, when all this got over and when, then when, this, all this finished and we got back to our bases and, later on during, we got back to the same old place where we were in and we had launched a couple of, you know, successful operations.'},\n {'end_time': '36:08', 'start_time': '35:56', 'text': 'And so as the commanding officer, the probably I was one of the, targets of these, you know, militants who were there and, you know, the 2 sort of hit back, out there.'},\n {'end_time': '36:17', 'start_time': '36:09', 'text': 'And so, yeah, there, there were, you know, attempts to get back at me, which I, at that point in time, never told people home.'},\n {'end_time': '36:36', 'start_time': '36:17', 'text': 'And it was many, many, many years later, that, one of the bosses of mine at that point in time when we met my wife, in a social function, some of them, 7, 8 years later, he, asked her, you know, did Chris tell you about this?'},\n {'end_time': '36:37', 'start_time': '36:37', 'text': 'She says, what?'},\n {'end_time': '36:42', 'start_time': '36:38', 'text': 'So obviously till then I had kept it, hidden from my family.'},\n {'end_time': '36:47', 'start_time': '36:43', 'text': 'But yeah, she got to know of it much, much, much later.'},\n {'end_time': '37:00', 'start_time': '36:47', 'text': \"So those kind of times, yes, you think back, but then, what do you feel is, look, I mean, as a commanding officer, you know, the classic adage is, you know, it's lonely at the top.\"},\n {'end_time': '37:11', 'start_time': '37:01', 'text': \"So, I mean, the unit is such that, you know, next to god it's the commanding officer, really, you know, for the men.\"},\n {'end_time': '37:14', 'start_time': '37:11', 'text': 'So everybody is looking up to you.'},\n {'end_time': '37:18', 'start_time': '37:15', 'text': 'And, you may be scared.'},\n {'end_time': '37:24', 'start_time': '37:18', 'text': \"I mean, I I definitely, you know, you're also worried and all those things.\"},\n {'end_time': '37:29', 'start_time': '37:24', 'text': 'But you cannot afford to show that to your men.'},\n {'end_time': '37:37', 'start_time': '37:29', 'text': \"Because after all, he's looking up to you for all the, you know, guidance and the direction to move on in life.\"},\n {'end_time': '37:39', 'start_time': '37:37', 'text': 'And it will set the tone for the rest of your life.'},\n {'end_time': '37:39', 'start_time': '37:39', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '37:49', 'start_time': '37:41', 'text': 'So whatever you had in your mind, there was no way you could let it show on your face or in your actions.'},\n {'end_time': '37:59', 'start_time': '37:52', 'text': \"And that is where, you know, it's sort of, I guess, I mean, it's always a challenge to once you reach the top.\"},\n {'end_time': '38:02', 'start_time': '37:59', 'text': 'But to face up to it, these are things that you have to.'},\n {'end_time': '38:05', 'start_time': '38:04', 'text': 'So, yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '38:14', 'start_time': '38:05', 'text': \"I mean, so then how do you do sort of, you know, get over this kind of a thing is it's you know, whenever you have this fear, it's best thing to do is get into action.\"},\n {'end_time': '38:18', 'start_time': '38:16', 'text': 'Do something physically active.'},\n {'end_time': '38:19', 'start_time': '38:18', 'text': 'So it takes your mind off things.'},\n {'end_time': '38:19', 'start_time': '38:19', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '38:21', 'start_time': '38:19', 'text': \"It's how people can cope with anxiety as well.\"},\n {'end_time': '38:22', 'start_time': '38:21', 'text': \"That's it.\"},\n {'end_time': '38:26', 'start_time': '38:24', 'text': 'Get into some physical activity.'},\n {'end_time': '38:26', 'start_time': '38:26', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '38:28', 'start_time': '38:26', 'text': 'Take your mind off things.'},\n {'end_time': '38:33', 'start_time': '38:28', 'text': \"Because it's only when you are, look, you are scared.\"},\n {'end_time': '38:33', 'start_time': '38:33', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '38:34', 'start_time': '38:33', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '38:35', 'start_time': '38:34', 'text': \"That's but natural.\"},\n {'end_time': '38:37', 'start_time': '38:36', 'text': \"You can't even discuss with anybody.\"},\n {'end_time': '38:43', 'start_time': '38:37', 'text': 'And when I was in Kargil, I mean, we had only that, you know, radio set for communications.'},\n {'end_time': '38:49', 'start_time': '38:43', 'text': 'Now if I had, you know, concern, there was nobody I could discuss it with also.'},\n {'end_time': '38:58', 'start_time': '38:50', 'text': \"I mean, if I discussed it with officers, the word would spread and there's no separate living accommodation for me out there.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:00', 'start_time': '38:58', 'text': 'I was sharing a 10 to 3 other officers.'},\n {'end_time': '39:07', 'start_time': '39:04', 'text': \"So, any thought was with you yourself, that's it.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:09', 'start_time': '39:07', 'text': 'There was no second person to share it with.'},\n {'end_time': '39:20', 'start_time': '39:13', 'text': 'So, that is where, you know, you sort of, need to absorb that much more.'},\n {'end_time': '39:25', 'start_time': '39:20', 'text': \"And that's where your resilience, your inner strength, your mental strength, all these come into fall.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:34', 'start_time': '39:26', 'text': 'So before we began rolling for this episode, you mentioned that you had met captain Vikram Batra, you know Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '39:35', 'start_time': '39:34', 'text': 'Before Batra Pointe.'},\n {'end_time': '39:36', 'start_time': '39:35', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '39:36', 'start_time': '39:36', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '39:37', 'start_time': '39:36', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '39:45', 'start_time': '39:37', 'text': \"I mean, I I'm he was just one of the officers of 13 Jackrath and, that entire, operations of 13 Jackriff.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:47', 'start_time': '39:45', 'text': 'I mean, Joe is a good friend of mine.'},\n {'end_time': '40:01', 'start_time': '39:47', 'text': \"We've done a couple of courses, together before that and, he was, the, the 2 IC of, 13 jackriff and, I was, with my unit and, he's, he's a hero junior to be, you know.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:02', 'start_time': '40:01', 'text': 'By Joe you mean?'},\n {'end_time': '40:03', 'start_time': '40:02', 'text': 'Joe, I mean, Joshi.'},\n {'end_time': '40:06', 'start_time': '40:04', 'text': 'Joshi was the CEO of, 30 jackriff, there.'},\n {'end_time': '40:16', 'start_time': '40:07', 'text': 'So, he was actually the 2IC and, you know, and, he was by default commanding the unit much like I was by default commanding my unit.'},\n {'end_time': '40:17', 'start_time': '40:16', 'text': 'And, yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '40:31', 'start_time': '40:17', 'text': 'So, we, we met, we met with the officers and, that particular, operations of 13 jackriff, was supported by my unit, because we were already in that area of, Mushko.'},\n {'end_time': '40:41', 'start_time': '40:32', 'text': 'And like I told you, you know, we were already deployed in all those areas, preventing those guys from, you know, coming down further and we sort of pinned them down wherever they had reached.'},\n {'end_time': '40:45', 'start_time': '40:41', 'text': 'And those are the areas where, like I said, you know, I was not trained.'},\n {'end_time': '40:49', 'start_time': '40:45', 'text': 'I was not equipped and I was not organized to launch a physical attack myself.'},\n {'end_time': '40:52', 'start_time': '40:49', 'text': 'So I was in a supporting role.'},\n {'end_time': '41:09', 'start_time': '40:52', 'text': 'And, we formed what is, in army parlance called the firm base, you know, a place from where you launch the, attack from so that God forbid, if something you have to fall back, you have a, a foot on the ground, literally, you know, that you can come back out there and then, you know, rework your plans.'},\n {'end_time': '41:12', 'start_time': '41:10', 'text': 'So we were part of the firm base one.'},\n {'end_time': '41:22', 'start_time': '41:12', 'text': 'And, the other thing that we did, to obviously, those, altitudes were, such that, your ability to carry weights is very, very minimal.'},\n {'end_time': '41:29', 'start_time': '41:22', 'text': \"And there's very limited amount of ammunition that you can carry with you when you go in for an assault of this kind and especially in those altitudes.\"},\n {'end_time': '41:33', 'start_time': '41:30', 'text': 'So they needed help in terms of, ammunition.'},\n {'end_time': '41:43', 'start_time': '41:33', 'text': 'So I had, provided a lot of troops from my, unit, who, where who had shed all their heavy baggage, so to say.'},\n {'end_time': '41:49', 'start_time': '41:43', 'text': \"And, literally, the, if, I mean, it's not a very right term to use.\"},\n {'end_time': '41:57', 'start_time': '41:49', 'text': 'They were actually, acting like potters, in terms of carrying the ammunition for 13 jackrifts and their troops as they were going in for the attack.'},\n {'end_time': '42:01', 'start_time': '41:57', 'text': 'So we were very much there as a part of, the attack of, 13 jackrif.'},\n {'end_time': '42:10', 'start_time': '42:02', 'text': \"And, the troops, who went in, carrying all the ammunition, it's a fact of life.\"},\n {'end_time': '42:13', 'start_time': '42:10', 'text': 'When they were coming down, we were bringing down the casualties of 13 jackrif.'},\n {'end_time': '42:21', 'start_time': '42:14', 'text': 'So we were, you know, as much as a part of that story that is there, but then, you know, behind the scenes kind of a thing.'},\n {'end_time': '42:30', 'start_time': '42:21', 'text': 'But then we were very much there, as a part of, the support for 13 jakrif and its attack, which got portrayed in this movie.'},\n {'end_time': '42:43', 'start_time': '42:30', 'text': \"And then, like I said, I don't know, that's one of the things I did not see the movie was, I said, I felt we seen all that there was to be seen, other than, going into the physical assault, which, of course was what 13 Jackriff did.\"},\n {'end_time': '42:48', 'start_time': '42:43', 'text': 'But I was very much there as a part of, all that went on out there.'},\n {'end_time': '42:53', 'start_time': '42:48', 'text': 'What goes on in your head when you see, you know, these many casualties in the middle of a war?'},\n {'end_time': '42:58', 'start_time': '42:57', 'text': '2 feelings.'},\n {'end_time': '43:01', 'start_time': '42:59', 'text': \"There's obviously a sorrow.\"},\n {'end_time': '43:04', 'start_time': '43:02', 'text': 'Because I, I, my own troops also.'},\n {'end_time': '43:11', 'start_time': '43:04', 'text': \"I've also, lost as many as, 12 of my, you know, Jawans, out there due to the shelling and the firing that took place.\"},\n {'end_time': '43:18', 'start_time': '43:12', 'text': 'And, a number of them had got injuries also because of their artillery shelling that took place out there.'},\n {'end_time': '43:19', 'start_time': '43:18', 'text': 'So one is sadness.'},\n {'end_time': '43:24', 'start_time': '43:19', 'text': 'You know, that sorrow that is there of somebody, getting hit in that sense.'},\n {'end_time': '43:48', 'start_time': '43:25', 'text': 'The second thing that sort of, is, a counter to this is that reassurance that there is an organization, there is a system behind you who will take care of these guys who are injured or take care of their families in case they are not alive to get back to them.'},\n {'end_time': '43:52', 'start_time': '43:49', 'text': 'That is what is the feelings that you have.'},\n {'end_time': '43:53', 'start_time': '43:52', 'text': \"There's an assurance.\"},\n {'end_time': '44:02', 'start_time': '43:53', 'text': \"There is a solid system behind you that will ensure my family will get taken care of irrespective of whether I'm there physically or not.\"},\n {'end_time': '44:11', 'start_time': '44:02', 'text': \"And that's what possibly, you know, drives people also to, you know, ultimately, sacrificing their or making the Supreme sacrifice.\"},\n {'end_time': '44:17', 'start_time': '44:11', 'text': \"So to say, in battle, you know, they'll get taken care of.\"},\n {'end_time': '44:30', 'start_time': '44:17', 'text': \"I think this is something a lot of, people don't understand that when there's so many casualties of war after the battles over, they have to be people who go and pick up the bodies of the casualties, bring them down, find them out.\"},\n {'end_time': '44:34', 'start_time': '44:30', 'text': 'So this response that the Indian army gave the Pakistani army during the war.'},\n {'end_time': '44:35', 'start_time': '44:34', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '44:37', 'start_time': '44:35', 'text': \"I'm sure there are multiple factors, you know?\"},\n {'end_time': '44:37', 'start_time': '44:37', 'text': 'Yep.'},\n {'end_time': '44:40', 'start_time': '44:37', 'text': 'Be it the bravery of every soldier, be it a strategy.'},\n {'end_time': '44:47', 'start_time': '44:41', 'text': 'But do you think at its core, the victory happened because of preparation, even though the odds were sort of against us and every battle?'},\n {'end_time': '44:47', 'start_time': '44:47', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '44:50', 'start_time': '44:47', 'text': 'I mean, the preparation at the later stages.'},\n {'end_time': '44:51', 'start_time': '44:50', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '45:01', 'start_time': '44:51', 'text': 'Once we got the, you know, our, the information right, then of course the right plans were made and, executed appropriately.'},\n {'end_time': '45:10', 'start_time': '45:02', 'text': 'And so, there was no way, like, I was just telling of Ravan and not telling me, how 2 rajariv could not have, you know, failed in its yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '45:13', 'start_time': '45:10', 'text': 'Of course, there were units which attempted and then, did not make it the first way.'},\n {'end_time': '45:16', 'start_time': '45:13', 'text': 'And then, you know, then the second wave went in and then no.'},\n {'end_time': '45:16', 'start_time': '45:16', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '45:23', 'start_time': '45:16', 'text': \"That's what natural process because fighting at those heights, those mountains, you know, has takes its own toll.\"},\n {'end_time': '45:28', 'start_time': '45:25', 'text': \"So that's the reason why you had so many casualties.\"},\n {'end_time': '45:32', 'start_time': '45:30', 'text': 'Because the fighting had to be done with the enemy.'},\n {'end_time': '45:33', 'start_time': '45:32', 'text': 'It had to be literally in waves.'},\n {'end_time': '45:38', 'start_time': '45:33', 'text': 'You are literally, you know, you are scrambling on all fours trying to reach on top.'},\n {'end_time': '45:42', 'start_time': '45:38', 'text': \"Now you either fire a weapon or you're scrambling on all fours.\"},\n {'end_time': '45:51', 'start_time': '45:42', 'text': 'Or, you know, climbing up with ropes that are, you know, laid out out there with an, little team that has gone from behind and trying to cut them off and all those things.'},\n {'end_time': '45:57', 'start_time': '45:51', 'text': \"So all that is there, it's all part of the, you know, training and preparation that ultimately spoke for itself.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:08', 'start_time': '45:57', 'text': \"You know, so this this whole conversation for me has been a fantastic sort of understanding because I remember, I mean, again, my as a as a kid, you're 7 years old or 8 years old.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:11', 'start_time': '46:08', 'text': 'The only understanding of war comes from movies.'},\n {'end_time': '46:13', 'start_time': '46:11', 'text': \"You're not even watching the news at that age.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:18', 'start_time': '46:13', 'text': 'So I watched LOC Cargill very fondly, you know, I enjoyed that movie when I was a kid.'},\n {'end_time': '46:24', 'start_time': '46:18', 'text': \"I kept reading all the Cargill war as I grew up, but this is the first conversation I've had of this sort.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:29', 'start_time': '46:24', 'text': 'So, so firstly, from the bottom of my heart, thank you, for this description.'},\n {'end_time': '46:34', 'start_time': '46:30', 'text': \"I'd probably end this particular episode by asking you one last question.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:34', 'start_time': '46:34', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '46:44', 'start_time': '46:34', 'text': \"Which is that at the end of the war, when you know, India's won, when you know that the mission is accomplished, and you've seen whatever you've seen, what goes on in your head?\"},\n {'end_time': '46:50', 'start_time': '46:48', 'text': \"I literally it is what's my next task.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:50', 'start_time': '46:50', 'text': 'Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '47:00', 'start_time': '46:50', 'text': 'And when the next task came to me, even before I was on my way down the government, then, it was the end of July when the so called ceasefire was there.'},\n {'end_time': '47:06', 'start_time': '47:00', 'text': 'And that is when they said, yeah, look, these guys are not meant to be, the Russian rifles unit is not meant to be out here.'},\n {'end_time': '47:12', 'start_time': '47:06', 'text': \"Let's relieve them and then pull them out to, you know, go back to the old grid that was there.\"},\n {'end_time': '47:20', 'start_time': '47:12', 'text': 'So we were replaced by, you know, a different set of troops who were then, you know, to be stationed out there on a more permanent basis.'},\n {'end_time': '47:21', 'start_time': '47:21', 'text': 'We were pulled down.'},\n {'end_time': '47:27', 'start_time': '47:21', 'text': 'And when I reached Duras, I was told, your next task is, ready for you.'},\n {'end_time': '47:28', 'start_time': '47:27', 'text': 'So I said, what?'},\n {'end_time': '47:41', 'start_time': '47:28', 'text': 'He says, the government has decided that, as symbolic, you know, of, all that has happened, we will conduct the amarna theatra, which happens normally in the month of August.'},\n {'end_time': '47:47', 'start_time': '47:41', 'text': 'Traditionally out there, You have to go and then provide security for the entire stretch of the Amarna the Atra.'},\n {'end_time': '47:49', 'start_time': '47:47', 'text': 'And that was my next task that I had.'},\n {'end_time': '47:51', 'start_time': '47:49', 'text': 'So I never got back home anywhere.'},\n {'end_time': '48:00', 'start_time': '47:52', 'text': 'I was there onto a totally nude situation trying to then, do what was, mandated to me.'},\n {'end_time': '48:06', 'start_time': '48:01', 'text': 'You, you understand the mindset of a soldier only when you speak to a soldier, sir.'},\n {'end_time': '48:06', 'start_time': '48:06', 'text': 'Really?'},\n {'end_time': '48:11', 'start_time': '48:06', 'text': 'I salute you on behalf of, you know, the Indian youth, Indian general.'},\n {'end_time': '48:11', 'start_time': '48:11', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '48:12', 'start_time': '48:11', 'text': \"That's just a little story.\"},\n {'end_time': '48:23', 'start_time': '48:12', 'text': \"I said, it's not like the, you know, the story of glory and guts that you normally see portrayed in movies or for that matter, you know, highlighted in books and narratives and things like that.\"},\n {'end_time': '48:32', 'start_time': '48:24', 'text': 'Like I said, you know, much like, you know, you are the front, of all that, in a podcast that you do.'},\n {'end_time': '48:35', 'start_time': '48:32', 'text': 'You have so many others who are supporting you in it.'},\n {'end_time': '48:40', 'start_time': '48:36', 'text': 'So my story is one of the supporting cast to all that happened out there.'},\n {'end_time': '48:47', 'start_time': '48:40', 'text': \"And, you know, if, I mean, I don't think, there's going to be a movie made on me or something of that sort.\"},\n {'end_time': '48:51', 'start_time': '48:47', 'text': 'But then, yeah, we have a story of our own, to talk about.'},\n {'end_time': '48:57', 'start_time': '48:51', 'text': \"So I'm a 100% sure that every Indian's respect for the Indian army officers isn't just for the stories.\"},\n {'end_time': '48:59', 'start_time': '48:57', 'text': \"It's for the moment that you'll sign up for the army.\"},\n {'end_time': '49:07', 'start_time': '49:00', 'text': \"So because this is something I've been thinking a lot about, lately that it takes a different kind of mindset to sign up for the army just as a person.\"},\n {'end_time': '49:09', 'start_time': '49:07', 'text': \"And that's why we salute you, sir.\"},\n {'end_time': '49:10', 'start_time': '49:09', 'text': 'Thank you very much.'},\n {'end_time': '49:14', 'start_time': '49:10', 'text': 'I also appreciate you opening up this way on the podcast, sir.'},\n {'end_time': '49:15', 'start_time': '49:14', 'text': 'Thanks.'},\n {'end_time': '49:15', 'start_time': '49:15', 'text': 'Thank you very much.'},\n {'end_time': '49:16', 'start_time': '49:15', 'text': 'My pleasure.'},\n {'end_time': '49:17', 'start_time': '49:16', 'text': \"I'm hoping to have you on the show again.\"},\n {'end_time': '49:18', 'start_time': '49:17', 'text': 'Soon.'},\n {'end_time': '49:18', 'start_time': '49:18', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '49:20', 'start_time': '49:18', 'text': \"We'll continue our conversation.\"},\n {'end_time': '49:21', 'start_time': '49:20', 'text': 'Sure or otherwise.'},\n {'end_time': '49:22', 'start_time': '49:21', 'text': 'Thank you, sir.'},\n {'end_time': '49:22', 'start_time': '49:22', 'text': 'Thank you so much.'},\n {'end_time': '49:23', 'start_time': '49:22', 'text': 'Thank you very much.'},\n {'end_time': '49:29', 'start_time': '49:25', 'text': 'That was 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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:04", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "Welcome to part 2 of a very special episode of major Vivek Jacob." }, { "end_time": "0:07", "start_time": "0:04", "text": "Part 1 was about his tenure with the Indian special forces." }, { "end_time": "0:13", "start_time": "0:08", "text": "He's now an Indian army veteran and at this stage of his life he has different challenges." }, { "end_time": "0:21", "start_time": "0:13", "text": "After leaving the Indian Army, Major Vivek Jacob founded CLAW which stands for conquer land, air, water." }, { "end_time": "0:24", "start_time": "0:21", "text": "CLAW itself has many objectives." }, { "end_time": "0:32", "start_time": "0:24", "text": "One of its primary objectives is to bring disabled people and the concept of disability to the forefront in worldwide society." }, { "end_time": "0:45", "start_time": "0:33", "text": "Often people look at people with disabilities and think that they're probably not capable of doing certain actions of doing certain things in life, But Klaw is trying to rewrite that perception." }, { "end_time": "0:56", "start_time": "0:46", "text": "As part of the conquer water aspect of Klaw, team Klaw helps disabled people learn scuba diving and equips them enough to take up scuba diving as a profession." }, { "end_time": "1:02", "start_time": "0:57", "text": "Similarly, conquer air and conquer land are the 2 big missions for claw which are next up." }, { "end_time": "1:07", "start_time": "1:03", "text": "Major Jacob is also responsible for something called Operation Blue Freedom." }, { "end_time": "1:11", "start_time": "1:07", "text": "What it is will be explained to you by him through the course of this episode." }, { "end_time": "1:21", "start_time": "1:11", "text": "Team Claw, as part of operation blue freedom has launched a nationwide search for people with disabilities who are interested in being part of the Siachen glacier expedition." }, { "end_time": "1:28", "start_time": "1:22", "text": "Operation blue freedom is about breaking a world record and having this mission come to the forefront." }, { "end_time": "1:34", "start_time": "1:29", "text": "Team GLA is on the lookout for people who want to join their mission and be a part of Operation Blue Freedom." }, { "end_time": "1:37", "start_time": "1:35", "text": "We'll be attaching associated links down below." }, { "end_time": "1:45", "start_time": "1:38", "text": "If someone who's dealing with disabilities or if you're someone who knows someone who's dealing with disabilities, please tell them about Operation Blue Freedom." }, { "end_time": "1:54", "start_time": "1:45", "text": "Tell them about everything that team Claw is up to and for now let's enjoy part 2 of the episode with Major Vivek Jacob on the runway show." }, { "end_time": "1:58", "start_time": "1:54", "text": "This one is as heavy if not heavier than the previous one." }, { "end_time": "1:59", "start_time": "1:58", "text": "Check out both parts." }, { "end_time": "2:00", "start_time": "1:59", "text": "Enjoy both parts." }, { "end_time": "2:04", "start_time": "2:00", "text": "This was one of my favorite conversations that I've ever had in my life." }, { "end_time": "2:23", "start_time": "2:20", "text": "I've got to take you to the next chapter of your story." }, { "end_time": "2:25", "start_time": "2:23", "text": "At the beginning of this podcast, we spoke about the 3 versions of you." }, { "end_time": "2:30", "start_time": "2:25", "text": "And I think in this one, we've only covered the first version or the transition from the first to the second." }, { "end_time": "2:38", "start_time": "2:31", "text": "If people type your name online, what keeps coming up is this incident of a spine injury." }, { "end_time": "2:39", "start_time": "2:38", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "2:41", "start_time": "2:39", "text": "Firstly, how did it happen?" }, { "end_time": "2:43", "start_time": "2:41", "text": "Could you just take us through that injury?" }, { "end_time": "2:49", "start_time": "2:43", "text": "And I feel also every human being has that one key moment where the inning switches." }, { "end_time": "2:53", "start_time": "2:49", "text": "Like I had, like, the spinal injury got it checked and all my discs had collapsed." }, { "end_time": "2:58", "start_time": "2:53", "text": "And, basically, compressed and the discs had come out." }, { "end_time": "2:59", "start_time": "2:58", "text": "It's like jam between a sandwich." }, { "end_time": "3:00", "start_time": "2:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:00", "start_time": "3:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:01", "start_time": "3:00", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "3:01", "start_time": "3:01", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "3:05", "start_time": "3:01", "text": "So, like, they had come out and gone into the nerves and all that and blah blah blah." }, { "end_time": "3:08", "start_time": "3:05", "text": "So then I went to from the impact?" }, { "end_time": "3:10", "start_time": "3:08", "text": "From the opening shock Okay." }, { "end_time": "3:11", "start_time": "3:10", "text": "And the impact." }, { "end_time": "3:20", "start_time": "3:12", "text": "So it's, it's like it opens up like a blast because it has to open up very fast and you're falling like a rock." }, { "end_time": "3:21", "start_time": "3:20", "text": "So suddenly there's a break." }, { "end_time": "3:24", "start_time": "3:22", "text": "So that break got transferred onto my spine." }, { "end_time": "3:36", "start_time": "3:24", "text": "What changed me would I think what changed me from the special forces to where I am right now is post this incident where I told you where the guy lost his leg." }, { "end_time": "3:41", "start_time": "3:36", "text": "And that's where I started thinking that the time has come to evolve, but I didn't know what to do." }, { "end_time": "3:41", "start_time": "3:41", "text": "I didn't know where to go." }, { "end_time": "3:43", "start_time": "3:41", "text": "I didn't know what else to do." }, { "end_time": "3:48", "start_time": "3:43", "text": "Like, my wife at that time, she used to tell me that, Jacob, you know, you will not be able to do anything else in your life." }, { "end_time": "3:52", "start_time": "3:48", "text": "You're fantastic at only one thing and that is what you're doing already." }, { "end_time": "3:52", "start_time": "3:52", "text": "Don't leave it." }, { "end_time": "3:58", "start_time": "3:53", "text": "If you leave this, there is nothing else that you can do because you are you are built for this." }, { "end_time": "4:00", "start_time": "3:59", "text": "So I said no." }, { "end_time": "4:05", "start_time": "4:03", "text": "And like everything was dependent on that." }, { "end_time": "4:14", "start_time": "4:05", "text": "Everything, me staying, everything was like the entire, you know, Maya of this universe was telling me that you have to be there, but my heart was telling me no." }, { "end_time": "4:19", "start_time": "4:14", "text": "So because you have gone through life and death life and death so many times, you understand that it's all unreal." }, { "end_time": "4:21", "start_time": "4:19", "text": "You know, you can create whatever you want." }, { "end_time": "4:30", "start_time": "4:22", "text": "So I said no, I'll go out naked and fucking, you know, stitch my own clothes and I'll fucking recreate my life the way I want to experience it because this I'm done with." }, { "end_time": "4:31", "start_time": "4:31", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "4:35", "start_time": "4:32", "text": "I had reached the pinnacle of destroying stuff." }, { "end_time": "4:37", "start_time": "4:35", "text": "So beyond that is creation." }, { "end_time": "4:39", "start_time": "4:37", "text": "So I was thinking what to do what to do what to do." }, { "end_time": "4:41", "start_time": "4:39", "text": "I was writing with my pencil and paper." }, { "end_time": "4:43", "start_time": "4:41", "text": "I used to write what what all do I know?" }, { "end_time": "4:43", "start_time": "4:43", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "4:44", "start_time": "4:43", "text": "I know some skydiving." }, { "end_time": "4:45", "start_time": "4:44", "text": "I know some underwater diving." }, { "end_time": "4:48", "start_time": "4:45", "text": "I know some trekking, some mountain ring, something something." }, { "end_time": "4:49", "start_time": "4:48", "text": "I want what do I want to do?" }, { "end_time": "4:50", "start_time": "4:49", "text": "I want to fly a plane." }, { "end_time": "4:52", "start_time": "4:50", "text": "I want to learn how to fly a plane." }, { "end_time": "4:53", "start_time": "4:52", "text": "All these things I wrote." }, { "end_time": "4:54", "start_time": "4:53", "text": "Simple." }, { "end_time": "4:55", "start_time": "4:54", "text": "At what?" }, { "end_time": "5:00", "start_time": "4:55", "text": "36, 36 35, 36 years of age, I was there at that point of time." }, { "end_time": "5:01", "start_time": "5:00", "text": "As I'm 41 now." }, { "end_time": "5:03", "start_time": "5:02", "text": "So that time ago." }, { "end_time": "5:05", "start_time": "5:03", "text": "6 6, 7 years ago." }, { "end_time": "5:05", "start_time": "5:05", "text": "6 years ago." }, { "end_time": "5:06", "start_time": "5:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:07", "start_time": "5:06", "text": "So I wrote it." }, { "end_time": "5:18", "start_time": "5:09", "text": "And I was getting further treated for my spine injury, and I, I had some other places where I got hurt and all of that." }, { "end_time": "5:21", "start_time": "5:18", "text": "Like, I'd my knee got operated and blah blah blah." }, { "end_time": "5:24", "start_time": "5:21", "text": "And I was in hospital, and I met this guy." }, { "end_time": "5:28", "start_time": "5:24", "text": "This air force guy was more or less chest down paralyzed." }, { "end_time": "5:35", "start_time": "5:29", "text": "He had regained some movement, and he was he was in he had 8 years of service." }, { "end_time": "5:37", "start_time": "5:35", "text": "He was in my neighboring room." }, { "end_time": "5:44", "start_time": "5:39", "text": "So, I used to, you know, I used to get to hear his conversations with his family and things like that." }, { "end_time": "5:49", "start_time": "5:44", "text": "He was just my neighbors, so I and I was exploring what do I want to do now, what do I want to do now." }, { "end_time": "5:55", "start_time": "5:50", "text": "And one day, 2 weeks later, he used to look at me and he had some talk with some other people about me and this, this, this." }, { "end_time": "6:00", "start_time": "5:55", "text": "And one day, he came to me on his wheelchair and he asked me, he sir, you are a commando?" }, { "end_time": "6:01", "start_time": "6:00", "text": "I said, yes." }, { "end_time": "6:04", "start_time": "6:01", "text": "He said, sir, you must be doing all this underwater diving and all that?" }, { "end_time": "6:05", "start_time": "6:04", "text": "I said, yes." }, { "end_time": "6:08", "start_time": "6:05", "text": "He said, sir, can a, like, a guy like me also do it?" }, { "end_time": "6:11", "start_time": "6:08", "text": "So I looked at him and I didn't I don't know." }, { "end_time": "6:15", "start_time": "6:12", "text": "So I said, I don't know, but I'll find out." }, { "end_time": "6:22", "start_time": "6:15", "text": "So I went back, left him there only and started researching, you know, paralyzed people scuba diving." }, { "end_time": "6:28", "start_time": "6:22", "text": "And this was back in 2015, and I found this video of a lady, a British lady." }, { "end_time": "6:42", "start_time": "6:28", "text": "She was waist down paralyzed, and she was underwater and she had she was on a wheelchair, and she had cylinders strapped onto the wheelchair and she had, like, motors and she had, like, a plastic kind of a wing to give her direction and, you know, movement." }, { "end_time": "6:48", "start_time": "6:43", "text": "And she was breathing and she was in a dress and she was doing ballet underwater." }, { "end_time": "6:50", "start_time": "6:48", "text": "She was like like this and like that." }, { "end_time": "6:51", "start_time": "6:50", "text": "She was doing ballet." }, { "end_time": "6:54", "start_time": "6:52", "text": "So I saw that and I went and showed him and I see it's possible." }, { "end_time": "6:54", "start_time": "6:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:55", "start_time": "6:54", "text": "It's possible." }, { "end_time": "6:59", "start_time": "6:56", "text": "The way he looked at it and he said, sir, how will I do this, sir?" }, { "end_time": "7:00", "start_time": "6:59", "text": "How will I do this?" }, { "end_time": "7:02", "start_time": "7:00", "text": "So I just told him, yeah, you don't worry about it." }, { "end_time": "7:04", "start_time": "7:02", "text": "I promise you I'll fucking take you scuba diving one day." }, { "end_time": "7:09", "start_time": "7:04", "text": "I just told him like that and just left it like that." }, { "end_time": "7:16", "start_time": "7:09", "text": "And when I went back to my room from there and I started calculating what it takes to make this one man that he scuba dive." }, { "end_time": "7:19", "start_time": "7:17", "text": "So logically penetrating it." }, { "end_time": "7:23", "start_time": "7:20", "text": "So that's like a special forces thing, like a mindset." }, { "end_time": "7:30", "start_time": "7:24", "text": "It doesn't matter whether you are from special forces or not or whether you have killed somebody or not or all it doesn't matter." }, { "end_time": "7:31", "start_time": "7:30", "text": "All this doesn't matter." }, { "end_time": "7:37", "start_time": "7:31", "text": "What it matters is that you know that if you put your bloody mind to it, you can create whatever you want." }, { "end_time": "7:38", "start_time": "7:37", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "7:38", "start_time": "7:38", "text": "So I said, okay." }, { "end_time": "7:39", "start_time": "7:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:40", "start_time": "7:39", "text": "Let's go to scuba diving." }, { "end_time": "7:42", "start_time": "7:40", "text": "We'll get him get him to bloody scuba dive." }, { "end_time": "7:49", "start_time": "7:42", "text": "So I started calculating and calculating and calculating and calculating and I realized that, you know, there must be so many people." }, { "end_time": "7:52", "start_time": "7:49", "text": "Like, I was doing research of how many people with disabilities are there in the world." }, { "end_time": "7:54", "start_time": "7:52", "text": "And, like, I was shocked at the numbers." }, { "end_time": "7:56", "start_time": "7:54", "text": "And I thought, this guy wants to do scuba diving." }, { "end_time": "7:58", "start_time": "7:56", "text": "There must be somebody who wants to do, you know, mountaineering." }, { "end_time": "7:59", "start_time": "7:58", "text": "Somebody wants to do, you know, skydiving." }, { "end_time": "8:01", "start_time": "7:59", "text": "Somebody wants to do yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:04", "start_time": "8:01", "text": "So if the human mind wants to do it, fucking you can do it." }, { "end_time": "8:04", "start_time": "8:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:06", "start_time": "8:04", "text": "You know, you just have to think your way through it." }, { "end_time": "8:08", "start_time": "8:06", "text": "That's why you have a brain, right, to calculate." }, { "end_time": "8:10", "start_time": "8:09", "text": "So the heart has to decide." }, { "end_time": "8:10", "start_time": "8:10", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "8:11", "start_time": "8:10", "text": "Yes or no." }, { "end_time": "8:13", "start_time": "8:11", "text": "Once the heart decides yes, your brain will calculate." }, { "end_time": "8:15", "start_time": "8:13", "text": "There is an always an outcome." }, { "end_time": "8:17", "start_time": "8:16", "text": "The universe is limitless." }, { "end_time": "8:19", "start_time": "8:17", "text": "So that means limitless possibilities." }, { "end_time": "8:24", "start_time": "8:19", "text": "So you just have to think your way through the to the possibility that you want to create, wanted to manifest." }, { "end_time": "8:27", "start_time": "8:24", "text": "So so like that it kept growing." }, { "end_time": "8:34", "start_time": "8:27", "text": "I thought there must be so many people like him and there must be so many people like me who want to, like, you know, help people like that." }, { "end_time": "8:36", "start_time": "8:34", "text": "Just, you know, just brotherhood." }, { "end_time": "8:36", "start_time": "8:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:50", "start_time": "8:37", "text": "So I thought of a network that if we create this network where people, like, come together and help each other out, right, to do stuff like this." }, { "end_time": "8:53", "start_time": "8:51", "text": "And then I realized it even bigger." }, { "end_time": "9:03", "start_time": "8:53", "text": "Then I realized here, I have to be able to create value for everyone so that everyone invests in this because, you know, everyone is suffering from something or the other." }, { "end_time": "9:04", "start_time": "9:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:09", "start_time": "9:04", "text": "Maybe physically, maybe emotionally, maybe psychologically, you know, the everyone has a problem, man." }, { "end_time": "9:14", "start_time": "9:09", "text": "All all people who are alive and living have got some fucking problem." }, { "end_time": "9:15", "start_time": "9:14", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "9:21", "start_time": "9:16", "text": "So people get together and, you know, I got a different problem, we got a different problem, but we are all headed in the same direction." }, { "end_time": "9:26", "start_time": "9:21", "text": "So if you just kind of get together and we share what we have, we can all evolve." }, { "end_time": "9:28", "start_time": "9:26", "text": "Evolution will become faster." }, { "end_time": "9:36", "start_time": "9:29", "text": "So from that guy, just that one promise that I wanted to just, you know, just do that, it started like that." }, { "end_time": "9:39", "start_time": "9:37", "text": "Today we have operation blue freedom by claw." }, { "end_time": "9:39", "start_time": "9:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:41", "start_time": "9:39", "text": "So what what is that?" }, { "end_time": "9:54", "start_time": "9:41", "text": "Like, this is sort of, I would look at it from an outside perspective as your second innings and to give the listeners some context, I've actually spent the last 2 days with the team at claw, kind of training a little bit in scuba diving." }, { "end_time": "10:03", "start_time": "9:54", "text": "I dived with people with disabilities, learned leadership, learned efficiency, got to know, Major Jacob, Major Arun." }, { "end_time": "10:05", "start_time": "10:03", "text": "But so what is this like from your lens?" }, { "end_time": "10:06", "start_time": "10:05", "text": "What's happening from your perspective?" }, { "end_time": "10:07", "start_time": "10:07", "text": "Evolution." }, { "end_time": "10:09", "start_time": "10:08", "text": "What do you mean?" }, { "end_time": "10:20", "start_time": "10:11", "text": "See, it's just again, my perspective, from my understanding, my limited whatever whatever, but this is what makes sense to me." }, { "end_time": "10:20", "start_time": "10:20", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "10:28", "start_time": "10:22", "text": "If you look at your world around yourself, you know, there is chaos happening." }, { "end_time": "10:31", "start_time": "10:28", "text": "There are good things happening and there is chaos happening." }, { "end_time": "10:40", "start_time": "10:31", "text": "So so life is vibrating between these two possibilities of chaos or bliss or order, if whatever you wanna call it." }, { "end_time": "10:41", "start_time": "10:40", "text": "Let's not call it order." }, { "end_time": "10:45", "start_time": "10:41", "text": "Let's call it, you know, bliss and the lack of bliss." }, { "end_time": "10:45", "start_time": "10:45", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "10:47", "start_time": "10:45", "text": "So this is what is happening." }, { "end_time": "10:48", "start_time": "10:47", "text": "This is what we are experiencing." }, { "end_time": "11:00", "start_time": "10:51", "text": "And if you had a choice, wouldn't you want to experience bliss forever logically speaking?" }, { "end_time": "11:01", "start_time": "11:00", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "11:23", "start_time": "11:02", "text": "So what I realized is that in the entirety of it, even through the journey of operation blue freedom, what I realized is that for me to experience bliss forever, I have to be able to ensure that for everyone else because ultimately all of us are one only." }, { "end_time": "11:29", "start_time": "11:24", "text": "We are just we are all various expressions of the God consciousness or whatever you want to call it." }, { "end_time": "11:30", "start_time": "11:29", "text": "One of a singularity." }, { "end_time": "11:35", "start_time": "11:30", "text": "We are all endless limitless expressions of that one singularity." }, { "end_time": "11:37", "start_time": "11:36", "text": "That's how it is." }, { "end_time": "11:38", "start_time": "11:37", "text": "That is the truth." }, { "end_time": "11:40", "start_time": "11:39", "text": "Like, nothing less." }, { "end_time": "11:52", "start_time": "11:42", "text": "So in by the time I started meditating and some some some stuff and all and I started experiencing some bliss, and I wanted to prolong it." }, { "end_time": "12:03", "start_time": "11:52", "text": "And during those meditations, I understood that space and time, like, through experience I could I understood that that this especially time is is, relative." }, { "end_time": "12:08", "start_time": "12:03", "text": "It can expand and contract depending on how much focus you are you're having on it." }, { "end_time": "12:10", "start_time": "12:09", "text": "So like that." }, { "end_time": "12:13", "start_time": "12:10", "text": "So I wanted to expand this blissful feeling forever." }, { "end_time": "12:14", "start_time": "12:13", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "12:23", "start_time": "12:14", "text": "And I realized that, you know, the way you get you can experience that is by by making sure that everyone is at that blissful stage." }, { "end_time": "12:33", "start_time": "12:24", "text": "And that what is it that all of us rise and when we come together with our we are all bits and pieces of the same damn consciousness, right, of the same damn singularity." }, { "end_time": "12:35", "start_time": "12:33", "text": "We are just bits and pieces of it." }, { "end_time": "12:46", "start_time": "12:35", "text": "So when these bits and pieces come together in a certain kind of a vibration that is conscious in nature, loving in nature, it it will come together and because it is coming together, our energies are combining." }, { "end_time": "12:57", "start_time": "12:47", "text": "And when in this particular case what happens is that when 22, let's say you are I'm 2 and you are 2, when 22 gets together a 6 happens not a 4." }, { "end_time": "12:58", "start_time": "12:58", "text": "Resonance." }, { "end_time": "13:00", "start_time": "12:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:02", "start_time": "13:00", "text": "So it's an expansive, this thing." }, { "end_time": "13:18", "start_time": "13:03", "text": "2 and 2 should add up to 4, but when 2 and when 2 and 2 in this particular case, when they are vibrating towards a blissful experience towards evolution, when they come together, they go into a 6, into an 8, into a 10, depending on how it is or into like that." }, { "end_time": "13:22", "start_time": "13:18", "text": "Your job should be to spread bliss in your own job and all." }, { "end_time": "13:27", "start_time": "13:22", "text": "Actually, all these things, you know, it is such a it's in my understanding again." }, { "end_time": "13:28", "start_time": "13:27", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "13:29", "start_time": "13:28", "text": "It is so simple." }, { "end_time": "13:31", "start_time": "13:29", "text": "That's why it is so complex." }, { "end_time": "13:37", "start_time": "13:31", "text": "People, you know, it's like a dog chasing its own tail, you know, trying to rationalize what is it that they're experiencing." }, { "end_time": "13:50", "start_time": "13:37", "text": "Why is it that they're experiencing in shifts in between, you know, sorrow and joy and happiness and sadness and, you know, bliss and the lack of bliss and, you know, anger and hatred and love and blah blah blah." }, { "end_time": "13:51", "start_time": "13:50", "text": "All this, all this, all this." }, { "end_time": "13:57", "start_time": "13:51", "text": "So you're constantly trying to rationalize with your mind as to how to get some control over the chaos." }, { "end_time": "13:58", "start_time": "13:57", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "14:06", "start_time": "13:59", "text": "Until the time you look at all your experiences from an individual perspective, you are in in that subtler loop, like a dog chasing its own tail." }, { "end_time": "14:21", "start_time": "14:06", "text": "But when you you can only, like, find find yourself when you are able to understand that it's all originating from within you and everything is you are a part of it and it's a part of you." }, { "end_time": "14:24", "start_time": "14:21", "text": "There is no higher and lower or better or worse or this or that." }, { "end_time": "14:32", "start_time": "14:24", "text": "It's just you are you are you are vibrating and your vibration or whatever your level of consciousness is vibrating its energy." }, { "end_time": "14:43", "start_time": "14:32", "text": "So that level of energy that you are sending out or what you are creating or manifesting through your will, through your desire, through your awareness, you are creating your circumstances and your experiences." }, { "end_time": "14:57", "start_time": "14:45", "text": "So so when you realize that there is no difference between you and me, ultimately, the ultimate truth when you when you when you understand that and you start playing around with that truth, you start realizing that fucking hell." }, { "end_time": "15:09", "start_time": "14:57", "text": "You know, this this moksha or whatever it is that you want to call it, that bliss will come through collaboration." }, { "end_time": "15:15", "start_time": "15:09", "text": "They will come through through people merging to rise, to evolve." }, { "end_time": "15:27", "start_time": "15:15", "text": "Right now when you look at around, you know, somebody is dying in Africa, somebody is hungry in India, somebody is dying of heat, somebody is dying of cold, somebody is oppressed in his mind, Somebody is, you know, committing murder." }, { "end_time": "15:28", "start_time": "15:27", "text": "Somebody is going and fighting for his country." }, { "end_time": "15:30", "start_time": "15:28", "text": "Somebody is doing what the fuck ever." }, { "end_time": "15:32", "start_time": "15:30", "text": "Somebody is, you know, somebody is doing business." }, { "end_time": "15:34", "start_time": "15:32", "text": "Somebody is in an entrepreneurial journey." }, { "end_time": "15:36", "start_time": "15:34", "text": "Somebody is, you know it's all various things happening." }, { "end_time": "15:37", "start_time": "15:36", "text": "It's all good." }, { "end_time": "15:39", "start_time": "15:38", "text": "And it's all right." }, { "end_time": "15:43", "start_time": "15:40", "text": "You know, there has for the good to exist, the evil has to be there." }, { "end_time": "15:45", "start_time": "15:43", "text": "Otherwise, the good will have no meaning." }, { "end_time": "15:50", "start_time": "15:45", "text": "So that's the duality of of our of our of our universe that we exist in." }, { "end_time": "15:53", "start_time": "15:50", "text": "For anything to exist, it has to have it has to be dual in nature." }, { "end_time": "15:54", "start_time": "15:53", "text": "It has to be binary." }, { "end_time": "16:06", "start_time": "15:55", "text": "But that Maya exist in that binary code when you perceive something as good or bad, when you make a judgment based on your experiences, based on whatever your level of consciousness is at that point of time." }, { "end_time": "16:26", "start_time": "16:08", "text": "So when you are able to realize this or understand this, that actually it's just relative and both have to exist and then you back off from that a little bit and then you look at both and then then you say that, okay, that's how you create good and that's how you create bad." }, { "end_time": "16:35", "start_time": "16:26", "text": "Good and bad is your own perception of what is happening to you, and then you understand something called bliss, and then you understand that if you all get together, you know, I can experience bliss." }, { "end_time": "16:37", "start_time": "16:35", "text": "Because you are you are what?" }, { "end_time": "16:41", "start_time": "16:37", "text": "You are ultimately god consciousness if you wanna call it that word, god consciousness." }, { "end_time": "16:43", "start_time": "16:41", "text": "You are ultimately that at the core of you." }, { "end_time": "16:49", "start_time": "16:44", "text": "You are something, some energy which created itself and created the fucking universe around it to experience it." }, { "end_time": "16:50", "start_time": "16:49", "text": "That's it." }, { "end_time": "16:54", "start_time": "16:50", "text": "Now the now the thing is that what I realized is that I wanna have fun on this journey." }, { "end_time": "17:01", "start_time": "16:55", "text": "I want to enjoy this, whatever this call it Maya, call it reality, call it what the hell ever it is." }, { "end_time": "17:04", "start_time": "17:02", "text": "I want to I want to enjoy it." }, { "end_time": "17:04", "start_time": "17:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:05", "start_time": "17:04", "text": "I've done enough." }, { "end_time": "17:08", "start_time": "17:06", "text": "Seen enough ups and downs and things like that." }, { "end_time": "17:11", "start_time": "17:08", "text": "And life should not be about sweating it through." }, { "end_time": "17:12", "start_time": "17:11", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "17:21", "start_time": "17:12", "text": "Life should be all fucking, you know, vibrating in fucking creativity, vibrating in bliss, meaning enjoying yourself like a, you know, spaceship flying around in the universe, whatever." }, { "end_time": "17:26", "start_time": "17:22", "text": "So you have to be to be like that, to enjoy that, that's a choice." }, { "end_time": "17:43", "start_time": "17:26", "text": "That choice comes from knowledge, understanding of that knowledge, and then from that understanding, practising that knowledge that you have reached to reach a level where you can see everything as it is and then create what you feel like creating." }, { "end_time": "17:46", "start_time": "17:43", "text": "Shift energy around, create energy, destroy energy." }, { "end_time": "17:47", "start_time": "17:46", "text": "It's like that." }, { "end_time": "17:47", "start_time": "17:47", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:48", "start_time": "17:47", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:58", "start_time": "17:48", "text": "So my my gauge of this whole situation that you're in is that you've read a lot, you've experienced a lot from your time in the army, from your time after the army, had some spiritual growth." }, { "end_time": "18:05", "start_time": "17:58", "text": "At the same time, the situations that you saw in life pushed you into this journey of creating claw of initiating operation blue freedom." }, { "end_time": "18:16", "start_time": "18:06", "text": "You saw someone who was paralyzed from chest down and you thought, okay, let me take this situation and make the slightly more blissful for the people going through this situation." }, { "end_time": "18:22", "start_time": "18:16", "text": "And at the same time, because the army and the special forces experience forced you into a mode of efficiency." }, { "end_time": "18:28", "start_time": "18:22", "text": "You've also brought that and kind of created a unit full of special forces personnel." }, { "end_time": "18:29", "start_time": "18:28", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "18:30", "start_time": "18:29", "text": "Ex special forces." }, { "end_time": "18:31", "start_time": "18:30", "text": "Ex ex special forces personnel." }, { "end_time": "18:32", "start_time": "18:31", "text": "My bad." }, { "end_time": "18:32", "start_time": "18:32", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "18:33", "start_time": "18:32", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "18:33", "start_time": "18:33", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "18:34", "start_time": "18:33", "text": "I got I got carried away." }, { "end_time": "18:36", "start_time": "18:34", "text": "Special forces will always be special forces." }, { "end_time": "18:39", "start_time": "18:36", "text": "They're born like that and they live like that and they die like that." }, { "end_time": "18:39", "start_time": "18:39", "text": "It's a mindset." }, { "end_time": "18:40", "start_time": "18:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:43", "start_time": "18:40", "text": "There are people that's what I realized when I came outside in the city street." }, { "end_time": "18:45", "start_time": "18:43", "text": "I like those eighteen and a half years or whatever." }, { "end_time": "18:52", "start_time": "18:45", "text": "I was in the army and from NDA upwards, and then till the point I was able I got my release." }, { "end_time": "18:52", "start_time": "18:52", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "19:03", "start_time": "18:53", "text": "Till that point, I always thought that, you know, this only we are like this that we can think like this or feel like this or execute like that." }, { "end_time": "19:11", "start_time": "19:03", "text": "But then when I came out and slowly, slowly, I started meeting people, especially people with disabilities, fucking was like cracked open what I was thinking." }, { "end_time": "19:28", "start_time": "19:11", "text": "I realized that it's it's a fucking mindset, and it's whatever has gone through, whatever experiences that you have been through, whatever whatever, you know, people you have met, all your everything coming together and you being able to separate yourself out from it and making a choice rather than being a victim of your circumstances." }, { "end_time": "19:30", "start_time": "19:29", "text": "You are making a choice." }, { "end_time": "19:37", "start_time": "19:31", "text": "So when you start making that choice, and there are people all around us that I keep meeting, especially people with disabilities, you know." }, { "end_time": "19:43", "start_time": "19:37", "text": "That's the common thing between special forces, mindset, and people with disabilities or special forces and people with disabilities." }, { "end_time": "19:55", "start_time": "19:43", "text": "People with disabilities have have have been, you know, pushed into us or in this into a certain state of life, which is minus this, that, whatever, which other people may have and they don't have." }, { "end_time": "19:55", "start_time": "19:55", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "20:08", "start_time": "19:55", "text": "So then they have to learn to deal with this very harsh world, which does not have, you know in most places, there are no elevators or there are no this thing, and they have to get through this bloody obstacle course every waking moment of their life." }, { "end_time": "20:12", "start_time": "20:10", "text": "So it's a bloody obstacle course going on." }, { "end_time": "20:15", "start_time": "20:12", "text": "I have met like, so all this 2 year journey that I have." }, { "end_time": "20:17", "start_time": "20:15", "text": "I met 100 of people with disabilities." }, { "end_time": "20:18", "start_time": "20:17", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "20:20", "start_time": "20:18", "text": "And train them and watch them." }, { "end_time": "20:27", "start_time": "20:20", "text": "Like, we decided that, okay, you know, just for that one guy to be able to make him die, I realized that I have to make everyone fucking die." }, { "end_time": "20:29", "start_time": "20:27", "text": "Then that guy will be able to die." }, { "end_time": "20:31", "start_time": "20:29", "text": "I'll be because it's very, very expensive." }, { "end_time": "20:33", "start_time": "20:31", "text": "All this equipment and all that is running you." }, { "end_time": "20:36", "start_time": "20:33", "text": "Each equipment set is around a lakh and a half to 2 lakhs." }, { "end_time": "20:37", "start_time": "20:36", "text": "Just one set." }, { "end_time": "20:38", "start_time": "20:37", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "20:46", "start_time": "20:38", "text": "And then you have to fill air in it, and then it has to be good air, and there's compressors, and this and that, and boats and whatnot, and there's training and certification, blah blah blah." }, { "end_time": "20:46", "start_time": "20:46", "text": "Lots of money." }, { "end_time": "20:50", "start_time": "20:46", "text": "So to make that guy being able to do it, to fulfill that one promise, I made me to do it across the country." }, { "end_time": "21:01", "start_time": "20:50", "text": "So all these guys, all these excessive guys, they just like, they didn't know what, like, is running in my head, but, like, who are with me and my team." }, { "end_time": "21:05", "start_time": "21:02", "text": "They start, like, they started leaving and started calling me up and asking me what I'm doing." }, { "end_time": "21:07", "start_time": "21:06", "text": "So I was telling I'm doing carpentry." }, { "end_time": "21:10", "start_time": "21:07", "text": "I was making my own bed and table and whatnot." }, { "end_time": "21:16", "start_time": "21:11", "text": "So, and, and they just came." }, { "end_time": "21:20", "start_time": "21:18", "text": "Just forced their way into my space, back." }, { "end_time": "21:21", "start_time": "21:20", "text": "Forced their way through." }, { "end_time": "21:23", "start_time": "21:22", "text": "I told them I don't have anything." }, { "end_time": "21:24", "start_time": "21:23", "text": "I don't have any money." }, { "end_time": "21:25", "start_time": "21:24", "text": "I don't have anything to give you." }, { "end_time": "21:26", "start_time": "21:25", "text": "So don't come here." }, { "end_time": "21:30", "start_time": "21:26", "text": "You've got wife and kids and parents and what not you're looking after." }, { "end_time": "21:31", "start_time": "21:30", "text": "I have nothing to give you." }, { "end_time": "21:32", "start_time": "21:31", "text": "Don't come to me." }, { "end_time": "21:35", "start_time": "21:32", "text": "Just 3, 4 times I said no, no, no, no, no." }, { "end_time": "21:38", "start_time": "21:35", "text": "But Jesus asked me, but what are you doing?" }, { "end_time": "21:40", "start_time": "21:39", "text": "I said, I'm fucking doing carpentry, man." }, { "end_time": "21:43", "start_time": "21:41", "text": "He said, okay, I'll come and we'll do carpentry together." }, { "end_time": "21:45", "start_time": "21:44", "text": "So I said, okay, man, you come." }, { "end_time": "21:47", "start_time": "21:45", "text": "Now that guy, the first guy who came was one of the top mountaineers." }, { "end_time": "21:50", "start_time": "21:47", "text": "He's a walking, fucking walking 3, 4 world records man." }, { "end_time": "21:51", "start_time": "21:50", "text": "He's a guy called Meenbadur Thapa." }, { "end_time": "21:52", "start_time": "21:51", "text": "He's on my team." }, { "end_time": "21:53", "start_time": "21:52", "text": "He's the 1st guy who came." }, { "end_time": "21:54", "start_time": "21:53", "text": "He's an extreme mountaineer." }, { "end_time": "21:55", "start_time": "21:54", "text": "Holds records." }, { "end_time": "22:01", "start_time": "21:55", "text": "He's broken record, shattered records in altitude warfare school, which is one of the best schools in the world for mountaineering and extreme." }, { "end_time": "22:02", "start_time": "22:02", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "22:05", "start_time": "22:02", "text": "So that guy, that level, he did not go." }, { "end_time": "22:07", "start_time": "22:05", "text": "He could have picked up anything." }, { "end_time": "22:10", "start_time": "22:07", "text": "He could have gone, you know, broken world records without any support and all." }, { "end_time": "22:14", "start_time": "22:10", "text": "He could have done a lot of things, but he came to do carpentry with me." }, { "end_time": "22:15", "start_time": "22:14", "text": "So then I said, okay." }, { "end_time": "22:16", "start_time": "22:15", "text": "Let's harness." }, { "end_time": "22:17", "start_time": "22:16", "text": "So I said, I'll take on diving." }, { "end_time": "22:18", "start_time": "22:17", "text": "You take on mountaineering." }, { "end_time": "22:21", "start_time": "22:19", "text": "So that's where we started off." }, { "end_time": "22:23", "start_time": "22:21", "text": "And like that, then, you know, people started collecting." }, { "end_time": "22:24", "start_time": "22:23", "text": "You know, there's Marco's who came in." }, { "end_time": "22:26", "start_time": "22:24", "text": "There are, you know, other guys came in." }, { "end_time": "22:27", "start_time": "22:26", "text": "Tuck, tuck, tuck." }, { "end_time": "22:27", "start_time": "22:27", "text": "We started coming in." }, { "end_time": "22:32", "start_time": "22:27", "text": "We were all looking for when they when they realized what's going on, like, where I'm headed." }, { "end_time": "22:36", "start_time": "22:32", "text": "Like, they said, you know, now that is something beyond what they were doing." }, { "end_time": "22:37", "start_time": "22:36", "text": "So they vibrated." }, { "end_time": "22:39", "start_time": "22:37", "text": "They wanted to, you know, do it." }, { "end_time": "22:41", "start_time": "22:39", "text": "And there was love and brotherhood already." }, { "end_time": "22:48", "start_time": "22:41", "text": "So we decided we will travel across India, and we will train all people with disabilities that we meet." }, { "end_time": "22:51", "start_time": "22:48", "text": "We'll train them in scuba diving, and I had no money in my pocket." }, { "end_time": "22:52", "start_time": "22:52", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "22:53", "start_time": "22:52", "text": "I had no pension." }, { "end_time": "23:03", "start_time": "22:54", "text": "By whatever gratuity I was supposed to get from the army for whatever service I had done that had not arrived, It had taken you know, took year and a half, 2 years for that money to come." }, { "end_time": "23:12", "start_time": "23:03", "text": "By the time, I had already spent other people's like my family and all, you know, supported, and then just randomly, the universe started throwing things." }, { "end_time": "23:14", "start_time": "23:12", "text": "First thing you need is equipment." }, { "end_time": "23:18", "start_time": "23:14", "text": "Like I told you, lakhs and lakhs, 50, 60 lakhs, you know, like that that kind of equipment." }, { "end_time": "23:22", "start_time": "23:20", "text": "So there was this guy about a month and a half back." }, { "end_time": "23:27", "start_time": "23:22", "text": "He'd called me, guy called Purple Octo like, his company called Purple Octopus from Bombay." }, { "end_time": "23:28", "start_time": "23:27", "text": "He he had called me." }, { "end_time": "23:35", "start_time": "23:28", "text": "They had started out new and he said, sir, you know, just, we heard about your this thing and, you know, we would like to collaborate with you." }, { "end_time": "23:36", "start_time": "23:35", "text": "Something we can do." }, { "end_time": "23:37", "start_time": "23:36", "text": "I asked him what." }, { "end_time": "23:39", "start_time": "23:37", "text": "So I had no clue of business or anything." }, { "end_time": "23:43", "start_time": "23:39", "text": "I was living in a different universe only, different dimension." }, { "end_time": "23:44", "start_time": "23:43", "text": "Special force is different dimension." }, { "end_time": "23:48", "start_time": "23:45", "text": "So I was there and then, like, I did not know when I came outside." }, { "end_time": "23:53", "start_time": "23:49", "text": "And then, so I said, how do you wanna collaborate?" }, { "end_time": "23:54", "start_time": "23:53", "text": "He said, I don't know." }, { "end_time": "23:55", "start_time": "23:54", "text": "He said, I also don't know." }, { "end_time": "23:57", "start_time": "23:55", "text": "Maybe when we know, we'll talk again." }, { "end_time": "23:58", "start_time": "23:57", "text": "Cut." }, { "end_time": "24:02", "start_time": "23:58", "text": "Then one and a half months later, we were together and we first thing we needed was equipment." }, { "end_time": "24:04", "start_time": "24:03", "text": "So I called him up." }, { "end_time": "24:09", "start_time": "24:04", "text": "I said, you know, my me and my team, and these are this is who we are and this is what we are gonna do." }, { "end_time": "24:11", "start_time": "24:09", "text": "We're gonna travel from my home in Chandigarh." }, { "end_time": "24:20", "start_time": "24:11", "text": "From there, I'm going to go down to the tip of this country till the end, and whoever people with disabilities I will meet, I will train them, expose them to scuba diving like that." }, { "end_time": "24:23", "start_time": "24:21", "text": "So he says, oh, fucking sounds good." }, { "end_time": "24:24", "start_time": "24:23", "text": "What do you need from me?" }, { "end_time": "24:26", "start_time": "24:24", "text": "I said, I need some equipment, you know." }, { "end_time": "24:30", "start_time": "24:26", "text": "I'll let's take some equipment on loan or something and give it back to you in the state it is in." }, { "end_time": "24:32", "start_time": "24:30", "text": "So he said, yes." }, { "end_time": "24:32", "start_time": "24:32", "text": "Why not?" }, { "end_time": "24:33", "start_time": "24:32", "text": "Absolutely sure." }, { "end_time": "24:40", "start_time": "24:33", "text": "And he sent he sent about, like, what, 10, 15, 20 lakhs worth for about 15, 20 lakhs worth of equipment." }, { "end_time": "24:42", "start_time": "24:40", "text": "He just sent it to me." }, { "end_time": "24:45", "start_time": "24:42", "text": "No bills, no receipts, no money, nothing." }, { "end_time": "24:46", "start_time": "24:45", "text": "No accounting." }, { "end_time": "24:47", "start_time": "24:46", "text": "He just sent it." }, { "end_time": "24:50", "start_time": "24:48", "text": "Like, he did all the calculation that okay." }, { "end_time": "24:50", "start_time": "24:50", "text": "These many sets." }, { "end_time": "24:52", "start_time": "24:50", "text": "This this this this this this that." }, { "end_time": "24:53", "start_time": "24:52", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "24:54", "start_time": "24:53", "text": "He just sent me that." }, { "end_time": "24:55", "start_time": "24:54", "text": "That's a new company starting out." }, { "end_time": "24:56", "start_time": "24:56", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "24:58", "start_time": "24:57", "text": "So we got all that equipment." }, { "end_time": "24:59", "start_time": "24:58", "text": "I said, okay." }, { "end_time": "25:00", "start_time": "24:59", "text": "Now we have the equipment." }, { "end_time": "25:02", "start_time": "25:00", "text": "Now where are the people with disabilities?" }, { "end_time": "25:12", "start_time": "25:03", "text": "So I went to the army and all, and I spoke and this that, and there was some, you know, you know, it's it's a new concept at that time, and people didn't really, you know, understand what I'm doing and all that." }, { "end_time": "25:16", "start_time": "25:13", "text": "So then I, like, I had a lot of roadblocks." }, { "end_time": "25:21", "start_time": "25:17", "text": "Then I met I went to Chandigarh Spinal Rehab Center." }, { "end_time": "25:25", "start_time": "25:21", "text": "I met somebody somewhere, and they said that my wife is working in Chandigarh Spinal Rehab Center." }, { "end_time": "25:26", "start_time": "25:25", "text": "I said, fantastic." }, { "end_time": "25:42", "start_time": "25:26", "text": "Right from there, I went to the Chandigarh Spinal Rehab Center, met that lady, and, like an hour, I was standing I was standing and talking to these, you know, 24 people with spinal cord injuries in various states of paralysis, and they were going to the rehab over there." }, { "end_time": "25:48", "start_time": "25:43", "text": "Old previously paralyzed guys, new guys who got paralyzed, and things like that." }, { "end_time": "25:52", "start_time": "25:49", "text": "And before I started speaking to them, I was watching them play basketball." }, { "end_time": "25:57", "start_time": "25:53", "text": "And I have not seen such a rough, bad, fucking basketball game." }, { "end_time": "26:00", "start_time": "25:57", "text": "They were like boom boom boom on their wheelchairs." }, { "end_time": "26:00", "start_time": "26:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:02", "start_time": "26:00", "text": "Like, aggressive game." }, { "end_time": "26:04", "start_time": "26:02", "text": "And I was just I was calling my guys, come come come see these guys." }, { "end_time": "26:06", "start_time": "26:04", "text": "See, I made a video also of that." }, { "end_time": "26:11", "start_time": "26:06", "text": "And, you know, to show to my son and to show to, to my family, you see this see this." }, { "end_time": "26:15", "start_time": "26:13", "text": "So then they came in and I was talking to them." }, { "end_time": "26:20", "start_time": "26:15", "text": "There were guys with these these big holes in their body because when you get paralyzed, you can't move around." }, { "end_time": "26:24", "start_time": "26:20", "text": "So you are on your bed or you're in a chair and you can't feel." }, { "end_time": "26:25", "start_time": "26:24", "text": "There's no sensation." }, { "end_time": "26:32", "start_time": "26:25", "text": "So there's constant, you know, rubbing happening and happening and happening and your skin start getting holes and all, and those get septic and things like that." }, { "end_time": "26:33", "start_time": "26:32", "text": "It can kill." }, { "end_time": "26:37", "start_time": "26:33", "text": "Many people die because of those holes." }, { "end_time": "26:39", "start_time": "26:37", "text": "So there are holes in their back." }, { "end_time": "26:48", "start_time": "26:39", "text": "There are holes in their there was this guy who was lying on like, I was talking and standing and some guys were sitting, some guys were lying flat, and there was this guy who was opposite me who was lying on his stomach." }, { "end_time": "26:55", "start_time": "26:49", "text": "And, like, he had this like, I pushed my fist into his bum, you know, and he had this bigger hole on his bottom." }, { "end_time": "27:04", "start_time": "26:56", "text": "And he was like this and listening to me, and I was talking, you know, and so and so, and these are my team, and we would anybody's interested in scuba diving, this is what scuba diving." }, { "end_time": "27:05", "start_time": "27:04", "text": "Anybody interested?" }, { "end_time": "27:07", "start_time": "27:06", "text": "All 24." }, { "end_time": "27:08", "start_time": "27:08", "text": "All 24." }, { "end_time": "27:16", "start_time": "27:10", "text": "All 24 who had hands that they could raise, they laze their bloody hands, who had mouths to speak, they fucking spoke." }, { "end_time": "27:18", "start_time": "27:16", "text": "And they said, no, no, we want, I want, I want." }, { "end_time": "27:22", "start_time": "27:20", "text": "So, how much will it cost?" }, { "end_time": "27:24", "start_time": "27:22", "text": "I said, fucking free, of course." }, { "end_time": "27:24", "start_time": "27:24", "text": "Don't worry." }, { "end_time": "27:30", "start_time": "27:25", "text": "So the plan was this, I'll teach able-bodied people because able-bodied people, you know, special forces, all this movie had come out." }, { "end_time": "27:33", "start_time": "27:30", "text": "So all everyone interact with special forces and all." }, { "end_time": "27:33", "start_time": "27:33", "text": "I said, okay." }, { "end_time": "27:34", "start_time": "27:33", "text": "Interact." }, { "end_time": "27:34", "start_time": "27:34", "text": "Come interact." }, { "end_time": "27:35", "start_time": "27:34", "text": "Pay money." }, { "end_time": "27:36", "start_time": "27:35", "text": "Come scuba dive." }, { "end_time": "27:40", "start_time": "27:36", "text": "We'll teach you scuba diving and earn money from you and make it free for these guys." }, { "end_time": "27:42", "start_time": "27:40", "text": "So that was the business plan." }, { "end_time": "27:48", "start_time": "27:44", "text": "So, yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:55", "start_time": "27:48", "text": "So these guys, they started like I said they are 24, all 24 of you I cannot teach together." }, { "end_time": "27:58", "start_time": "27:56", "text": "Like, you know, I'll have to make you into batches and all." }, { "end_time": "28:04", "start_time": "27:59", "text": "So maybe 4 guys I can introduce every day, you know, to scuba diving." }, { "end_time": "28:05", "start_time": "28:04", "text": "4 to 5 guys, maybe." }, { "end_time": "28:07", "start_time": "28:06", "text": "So they started no." }, { "end_time": "28:08", "start_time": "28:07", "text": "We're a very friendly argument." }, { "end_time": "28:09", "start_time": "28:09", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "28:10", "start_time": "28:09", "text": "I raised my hand first." }, { "end_time": "28:10", "start_time": "28:10", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "28:11", "start_time": "28:10", "text": "I spoke first." }, { "end_time": "28:12", "start_time": "28:11", "text": "I will go first." }, { "end_time": "28:13", "start_time": "28:12", "text": "That kind of shit." }, { "end_time": "28:15", "start_time": "28:13", "text": "I said, how many of you knew swimming and all?" }, { "end_time": "28:19", "start_time": "28:15", "text": "Hardly, you know, many, hardly anybody knew swimming and all." }, { "end_time": "28:22", "start_time": "28:19", "text": "So I was just thinking in my mind, fuck, man." }, { "end_time": "28:24", "start_time": "28:22", "text": "These guys, you know, they don't even know how to swim." }, { "end_time": "28:29", "start_time": "28:24", "text": "There's this guy neck down paralyzed guy who's saying neck down paralyzed, man." }, { "end_time": "28:38", "start_time": "28:29", "text": "He's running the whole spinal rehab center, social media, and other work that he was doing, with his mouth." }, { "end_time": "28:43", "start_time": "28:38", "text": "He he had he had just like this microphone on his electric wheelchair." }, { "end_time": "28:47", "start_time": "28:43", "text": "His hands used to be permanently like this on a pillow and neck down gone." }, { "end_time": "28:54", "start_time": "28:48", "text": "So he used to have a, like, a pen in his mouth and he'd go tapping on his phone like that." }, { "end_time": "28:54", "start_time": "28:54", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "28:54", "start_time": "28:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:55", "start_time": "28:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:58", "start_time": "28:56", "text": "So he was, I spoke first." }, { "end_time": "29:00", "start_time": "28:58", "text": "I spoke first and all of that." }, { "end_time": "29:07", "start_time": "29:00", "text": "Neck down paralyzed guy, doesn't know swimming, never been in a swimming pool, nothing like that, but choosing to scuba dive." }, { "end_time": "29:08", "start_time": "29:07", "text": "That's freedom, brother." }, { "end_time": "29:11", "start_time": "29:10", "text": "That is the special forces spirit." }, { "end_time": "29:21", "start_time": "29:11", "text": "That is the special forces mindset, and that is what gets things done, and that is how you can get into a position to control the chaos and make what you want to make and experience life the way you wanna experience." }, { "end_time": "29:22", "start_time": "29:21", "text": "That's how it started." }, { "end_time": "29:24", "start_time": "29:23", "text": "What's the end vision for it?" }, { "end_time": "29:25", "start_time": "29:24", "text": "So I'll tell you." }, { "end_time": "29:27", "start_time": "29:25", "text": "So it was a learning journey for me." }, { "end_time": "29:28", "start_time": "29:27", "text": "It was a shift." }, { "end_time": "29:29", "start_time": "29:28", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "29:32", "start_time": "29:29", "text": "The massive shift, which was there was from destruction to creation." }, { "end_time": "29:34", "start_time": "29:32", "text": "Special forces are to destroy stuff." }, { "end_time": "29:57", "start_time": "29:36", "text": "So from that sudden switch towards creation and, love actually, human love, right, To share the joyous, you know, the the like I was talking about these paradoxical laws or quantum laws or whatever you can call it, the universe." }, { "end_time": "29:59", "start_time": "29:57", "text": "When you share something, it grows." }, { "end_time": "30:00", "start_time": "30:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:11", "start_time": "30:00", "text": "So if you're feeling love and you share love, it will fucking grow because everybody has love inside them and fucking collides and 2 plus 2 collides and becomes a 6 or a 10 or depending on how much love is there." }, { "end_time": "30:14", "start_time": "30:11", "text": "It will exponentially blow up more like that." }, { "end_time": "30:27", "start_time": "30:15", "text": "So during this journey from that Chandigarh spinal rehab institute, then to Delhi, and then to Bombay, and then to Lakshadweep, you know, like that, like that, like that, we dived and we finally dived in the open sea in Lakshadweep." }, { "end_time": "30:31", "start_time": "30:28", "text": "It was a like a spaceship flying off, like a rocket flying off." }, { "end_time": "30:39", "start_time": "30:31", "text": "You know, rocket has to have so much of energy so that it can get into escape velocity as quickly as possible and get off the fucking gravitational pull of the earth." }, { "end_time": "30:39", "start_time": "30:39", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "30:41", "start_time": "30:40", "text": "So it was like that." }, { "end_time": "30:42", "start_time": "30:41", "text": "We were like that." }, { "end_time": "30:47", "start_time": "30:42", "text": "We were bashing our way through, you know, our experiences and creating them, ruthlessly creating them." }, { "end_time": "30:52", "start_time": "30:47", "text": "What started off as a struggle has now turned into the universe helping you into audacity." }, { "end_time": "30:56", "start_time": "30:53", "text": "Into into into a thought, into a belief." }, { "end_time": "30:56", "start_time": "30:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:06", "start_time": "30:56", "text": "And, you know, you talk to people at claw, you talk to everyone who's in any way a part of operation blue freedom, everyone's in that same mission oriented mindset." }, { "end_time": "31:12", "start_time": "31:06", "text": "And I think that that's the big gift of you guys to the world outside of the army." }, { "end_time": "31:16", "start_time": "31:12", "text": "So like, you know, you're not spreading that same special forces mindset." }, { "end_time": "31:16", "start_time": "31:16", "text": "We come back to that." }, { "end_time": "31:18", "start_time": "31:16", "text": "It's been a theme in these podcasts." }, { "end_time": "31:30", "start_time": "31:20", "text": "So if my last question to you honestly, sir, is like when you're looking at all this from the outside, nowadays daily when you're going to sleep, you've seen whatever you've seen." }, { "end_time": "31:32", "start_time": "31:30", "text": "Let's come to that 3rd version of you, which is still evolving." }, { "end_time": "31:33", "start_time": "31:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:34", "start_time": "31:33", "text": "What that guy thinking?" }, { "end_time": "31:48", "start_time": "31:35", "text": "So what happened is when I got into this journey of, you know, sharing scuba diving or whatever it was and and I started interacting with people with disabilities and able-bodied people also." }, { "end_time": "31:52", "start_time": "31:48", "text": "And there were people who started joining up, just coming with whatever they had got to offer." }, { "end_time": "31:57", "start_time": "31:52", "text": "Like you yourself, you know, like, it's a platform, massive amount of following and all that." }, { "end_time": "32:00", "start_time": "31:57", "text": "And people will come to know and spread the word, right, that this is happening." }, { "end_time": "32:03", "start_time": "32:00", "text": "It's energy coming, right, by itself." }, { "end_time": "32:04", "start_time": "32:03", "text": "It's coming." }, { "end_time": "32:07", "start_time": "32:05", "text": "So you have to ride the horse." }, { "end_time": "32:20", "start_time": "32:07", "text": "So what while watching all of this, of course, you are in in in the Maya and you're experiencing whatever is going on and then you're figuring out, you're seeing real life things happening and seeing the magic constantly." }, { "end_time": "32:25", "start_time": "32:20", "text": "So beyond beyond beyond the maya, there is magic." }, { "end_time": "32:25", "start_time": "32:25", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "32:27", "start_time": "32:25", "text": "And that magic is real." }, { "end_time": "32:28", "start_time": "32:27", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "32:35", "start_time": "32:28", "text": "So when you step into that and then you start it you see it happening all the bloody time, and then it becomes like a, you know, it is like that." }, { "end_time": "32:57", "start_time": "32:35", "text": "So when you're watching, watching, watching, you're evolving and then this constant that background search, that background search in your brain that is searching for full expression of itself, the full expression of the soul, that freedom state of being where everything you are creating, you know, and like that." }, { "end_time": "32:59", "start_time": "32:58", "text": "So it's a journey." }, { "end_time": "33:00", "start_time": "33:00", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "33:15", "start_time": "33:00", "text": "So in that in that, process, you know, when you're looking back, it's when I realized by the time I was at Lakshadweep or I had reached Lakshadweep that whole process crystallized into one line." }, { "end_time": "33:21", "start_time": "33:16", "text": "That true freedom, true freedom, it's a collective experience." }, { "end_time": "33:23", "start_time": "33:21", "text": "It's not an individual experience." }, { "end_time": "33:24", "start_time": "33:23", "text": "It's a collective experience." }, { "end_time": "33:27", "start_time": "33:25", "text": "So true freedom is a collective experience." }, { "end_time": "33:33", "start_time": "33:27", "text": "Either all of us have it, either all of us are free or none of us really are." }, { "end_time": "33:35", "start_time": "33:33", "text": "None of us are really are free." }, { "end_time": "33:36", "start_time": "33:35", "text": "Whoever you may be." }, { "end_time": "33:37", "start_time": "33:36", "text": "Whoever." }, { "end_time": "33:38", "start_time": "33:38", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "33:43", "start_time": "33:39", "text": "So there are 2 ways to get into that freedom, to that state of being." }, { "end_time": "34:01", "start_time": "33:43", "text": "1 is, you know, what is this is, like, you do yoga and meditation and and then you go into the mountains and you'll sit in some cave and then you will meditate and eat grass and whatever, whatever, whatever, and purify, purify, purify, purify all your thoughts, detachments, or attachments, everything gone, gone, gone, gone." }, { "end_time": "34:03", "start_time": "34:01", "text": "What is left is you." }, { "end_time": "34:03", "start_time": "34:03", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "34:08", "start_time": "34:03", "text": "That is, I suppose, what it means to be that level of a yogi." }, { "end_time": "34:13", "start_time": "34:08", "text": "So they reach there and then they start playing around with my you know, they start playing around shifting energies and all that." }, { "end_time": "34:18", "start_time": "34:13", "text": "So they can they can transcend space and time, appear or disappear, all those things." }, { "end_time": "34:19", "start_time": "34:18", "text": "It's all real." }, { "end_time": "34:25", "start_time": "34:19", "text": "So that is one way of reaching that level of freedom where you can manifest what the fuck ever you want." }, { "end_time": "34:26", "start_time": "34:25", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "34:29", "start_time": "34:26", "text": "You can create things, destroy things, both are same only." }, { "end_time": "34:30", "start_time": "34:29", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "34:34", "start_time": "34:30", "text": "So that is one way to that moksha or freedom or whatever it is." }, { "end_time": "34:50", "start_time": "34:34", "text": "The other way is is like this, through life, not leaving life, but actually getting into the bloody, you know, intestines of life and opening it up from there and opening it up, opening it up like that and going out like that." }, { "end_time": "34:53", "start_time": "34:50", "text": "Not just for yourself, but for everyone around you." }, { "end_time": "34:53", "start_time": "34:53", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "34:54", "start_time": "34:53", "text": "That is what it is." }, { "end_time": "34:55", "start_time": "34:54", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "34:56", "start_time": "34:55", "text": "For example, let's say you and me are talking." }, { "end_time": "34:57", "start_time": "34:56", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "35:07", "start_time": "34:57", "text": "And if you and me are in different states of being, let's say you are in a destructive mode or let's say I'm in a very ego stick mode or something like that, and I feel differentiation like that." }, { "end_time": "35:09", "start_time": "35:07", "text": "Your thoughts and my thoughts will be at different levels." }, { "end_time": "35:09", "start_time": "35:09", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "35:10", "start_time": "35:09", "text": "They will not be at the same level." }, { "end_time": "35:12", "start_time": "35:10", "text": "I'm not saying higher or lower." }, { "end_time": "35:13", "start_time": "35:12", "text": "It's just different." }, { "end_time": "35:13", "start_time": "35:13", "text": "That's all." }, { "end_time": "35:14", "start_time": "35:13", "text": "There is no high low." }, { "end_time": "35:15", "start_time": "35:14", "text": "It's just different." }, { "end_time": "35:26", "start_time": "35:15", "text": "So we will not be able to collide and collaborate, and the 22 will become a 3 instead of a 6 or an 8." }, { "end_time": "35:46", "start_time": "35:27", "text": "So it's it's, so when you when you go through life, instead of separating yourself individually out of out of the Maya or whatever it is you wanna call it, this reality that we exist in, instead of detaching from your loves and all your responsibilities and family and this and that and work and all that." }, { "end_time": "35:48", "start_time": "35:46", "text": "You'll detach that that that that." }, { "end_time": "35:55", "start_time": "35:48", "text": "Learn yogic skills to pull in energy from the air and, you know, so many things, you know." }, { "end_time": "35:56", "start_time": "35:55", "text": "Manifest." }, { "end_time": "35:56", "start_time": "35:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:56", "start_time": "35:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:01", "start_time": "35:56", "text": "So when you when you leave all you have left the space where you can manifest, brother." }, { "end_time": "36:04", "start_time": "36:01", "text": "You manifest here in this life here." }, { "end_time": "36:07", "start_time": "36:04", "text": "Freedom is not something that is gonna happen tomorrow." }, { "end_time": "36:08", "start_time": "36:07", "text": "It has to happen right now." }, { "end_time": "36:14", "start_time": "36:08", "text": "So and from there you go higher and higher and higher, more power of power of creation." }, { "end_time": "36:15", "start_time": "36:14", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "36:19", "start_time": "36:15", "text": "So instead of going that way of detachment, I don't judge it." }, { "end_time": "36:24", "start_time": "36:19", "text": "I think that, like, whatever little bit of knowledge I have, what I think, you know, yeah, it's a way." }, { "end_time": "36:26", "start_time": "36:24", "text": "But at the end of it, it's just you." }, { "end_time": "36:26", "start_time": "36:26", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "36:31", "start_time": "36:27", "text": "And here there's all these things that are part of you only that you're experiencing yourself." }, { "end_time": "36:34", "start_time": "36:31", "text": "You are experiencing me, I'm experiencing you, brother." }, { "end_time": "36:35", "start_time": "36:34", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "36:37", "start_time": "36:35", "text": "And it's good fun, isn't it?" }, { "end_time": "36:38", "start_time": "36:37", "text": "Why would I not experience this?" }, { "end_time": "36:39", "start_time": "36:38", "text": "Why would I not?" }, { "end_time": "36:42", "start_time": "36:40", "text": "Why would I choose to detach myself from this?" }, { "end_time": "36:46", "start_time": "36:42", "text": "The detachment has to happen inside, not in your outside world." }, { "end_time": "36:49", "start_time": "36:46", "text": "So when you detach, you can feel more love." }, { "end_time": "36:51", "start_time": "36:50", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "36:53", "start_time": "36:51", "text": "So it's like that." }, { "end_time": "37:05", "start_time": "36:53", "text": "So in this journey, you know, from that first guy I met and then pursuing that, pursuing that emotion, that feeling of wanting to share, wanting to make someone's life a little better, my life sorted." }, { "end_time": "37:09", "start_time": "37:05", "text": "So by the time I left the special forces, I didn't care if I was living or dead." }, { "end_time": "37:10", "start_time": "37:09", "text": "I didn't care." }, { "end_time": "37:12", "start_time": "37:10", "text": "I didn't care if I was rich or poor." }, { "end_time": "37:13", "start_time": "37:12", "text": "I didn't care." }, { "end_time": "37:14", "start_time": "37:13", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "37:15", "start_time": "37:14", "text": "I didn't care." }, { "end_time": "37:18", "start_time": "37:15", "text": "For me, it was nothing actually left to experience." }, { "end_time": "37:31", "start_time": "37:18", "text": "From there my experiences, real experiences or, or different experiences of state of being started when I had no desire actually left for anything else except that one guy that I wanted to go scuba diving with." }, { "end_time": "37:40", "start_time": "37:32", "text": "So in this entire journey, by the time I reached Lakshadweep, not only did I see that you could bend and shift and break Maya." }, { "end_time": "37:45", "start_time": "37:40", "text": "Not only can you do that, you can replace it with a lot of other things that you want to experience." }, { "end_time": "37:47", "start_time": "37:45", "text": "I wanna fucking experience love all around me." }, { "end_time": "37:48", "start_time": "37:48", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "37:52", "start_time": "37:49", "text": "So I wanna experience fucking happiness all around me." }, { "end_time": "37:53", "start_time": "37:52", "text": "That's what I wanna experience." }, { "end_time": "37:56", "start_time": "37:53", "text": "I don't wanna waste my time with sorrow and sadness and all this." }, { "end_time": "37:58", "start_time": "37:56", "text": "I've experienced a lot, man." }, { "end_time": "37:58", "start_time": "37:58", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "38:00", "start_time": "37:58", "text": "Given it and taken it, both." }, { "end_time": "38:14", "start_time": "38:03", "text": "So so from that choice, that that place where I didn't actually care about the future is when the future opened up, you know, the state of being opened up in the now." }, { "end_time": "38:16", "start_time": "38:14", "text": "And that's when that one line came up." }, { "end_time": "38:29", "start_time": "38:16", "text": "When I understood that for me to experience love around me, to experience creativity around me, to experience very security or whatever it is that we want to experience, you have to let it go for it to come to you." }, { "end_time": "38:32", "start_time": "38:29", "text": "That's the paradoxical law of the fucking universe, you know." }, { "end_time": "38:39", "start_time": "38:33", "text": "And and so this is what I, went through and I just crunched it into one line that that no." }, { "end_time": "38:39", "start_time": "38:39", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "38:39", "start_time": "38:39", "text": "Like this." }, { "end_time": "38:41", "start_time": "38:39", "text": "Like, it just came to my mind." }, { "end_time": "38:42", "start_time": "38:42", "text": "True freedom." }, { "end_time": "38:43", "start_time": "38:42", "text": "True freedom." }, { "end_time": "38:44", "start_time": "38:43", "text": "Just freedom." }, { "end_time": "38:46", "start_time": "38:44", "text": "It's a collective experience." }, { "end_time": "38:49", "start_time": "38:46", "text": "Either we are all free or we are not." }, { "end_time": "38:55", "start_time": "38:50", "text": "That's what I understood and from that's what one of those lines, you know, there's another this thing that people go through." }, { "end_time": "39:02", "start_time": "38:55", "text": "It's a little baser line, Maya, of and the things like that." }, { "end_time": "39:06", "start_time": "39:02", "text": "They just fucking realize, you know, freedom is not something that is gonna happen tomorrow." }, { "end_time": "39:07", "start_time": "39:06", "text": "It has to happen right now, brother." }, { "end_time": "39:09", "start_time": "39:07", "text": "You you reach freedom by being in a state of freedom." }, { "end_time": "39:10", "start_time": "39:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "39:13", "start_time": "39:10", "text": "Otherwise, you will it's like a dog chasing its tail." }, { "end_time": "39:17", "start_time": "39:13", "text": "It's like that musk deer, you know, looking that entire forest looking for that smell." }, { "end_time": "39:17", "start_time": "39:17", "text": "It's attracting." }, { "end_time": "39:18", "start_time": "39:17", "text": "Where is it coming from?" }, { "end_time": "39:20", "start_time": "39:18", "text": "It's fucking coming from inside it." }, { "end_time": "39:22", "start_time": "39:20", "text": "It spends its entire life looking for it outside." }, { "end_time": "39:23", "start_time": "39:22", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "39:24", "start_time": "39:23", "text": "So it's like that." }, { "end_time": "39:30", "start_time": "39:24", "text": "So when when you just give up on on on when you've gone through all of that, like I said, no." }, { "end_time": "39:31", "start_time": "39:30", "text": "A lot of death." }, { "end_time": "39:31", "start_time": "39:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "39:31", "start_time": "39:31", "text": "A lot of death." }, { "end_time": "39:32", "start_time": "39:31", "text": "Lot of death." }, { "end_time": "39:36", "start_time": "39:32", "text": "Constantly, 3 times standing there looking at death knowing there is nothing beyond this." }, { "end_time": "39:36", "start_time": "39:36", "text": "Nothing." }, { "end_time": "39:38", "start_time": "39:36", "text": "There is no life ahead of it." }, { "end_time": "39:39", "start_time": "39:38", "text": "Nothing is there blank space." }, { "end_time": "39:42", "start_time": "39:40", "text": "So you do it here." }, { "end_time": "39:42", "start_time": "39:42", "text": "No?" }, { "end_time": "39:45", "start_time": "39:43", "text": "I don't remember my past life." }, { "end_time": "39:50", "start_time": "39:45", "text": "I don't, know what is like." }, { "end_time": "39:51", "start_time": "39:50", "text": "I didn't know what is beyond." }, { "end_time": "39:55", "start_time": "39:51", "text": "But when I saw it standing there, when I gave, I knew my hands were up and said, fuck, man." }, { "end_time": "40:00", "start_time": "39:55", "text": "It's all over, but it's I'm take I've taken 4 of you out, and I'm going." }, { "end_time": "40:02", "start_time": "40:01", "text": "4 is to 1, good ratio." }, { "end_time": "40:03", "start_time": "40:02", "text": "Good to go." }, { "end_time": "40:03", "start_time": "40:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "40:03", "start_time": "40:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "40:04", "start_time": "40:03", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "40:09", "start_time": "40:05", "text": "I was sitting there, standing there against a rock face, you know, like spider man." }, { "end_time": "40:10", "start_time": "40:09", "text": "I was holding on to this thing." }, { "end_time": "40:12", "start_time": "40:10", "text": "I had a huge motherfucking rucksack on my back." }, { "end_time": "40:14", "start_time": "40:12", "text": "My weapon was on my back, and I was standing like this." }, { "end_time": "40:17", "start_time": "40:14", "text": "And I turned back, and I saw that guy fucking looking at me." }, { "end_time": "40:19", "start_time": "40:18", "text": "You know." }, { "end_time": "40:29", "start_time": "40:19", "text": "From that point, all this whatever happened and I was just there's only just pure thought that, okay, speed of bullet is faster than speed of sound." }, { "end_time": "40:34", "start_time": "40:30", "text": "So therefore, you know, I'm going to feel a jerk on my body." }, { "end_time": "40:35", "start_time": "40:34", "text": "They don't fire a single bullet." }, { "end_time": "40:38", "start_time": "40:35", "text": "They fire a fucking full, they'll empty a 30 round burst into you." }, { "end_time": "40:38", "start_time": "40:38", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "40:42", "start_time": "40:39", "text": "So I was thinking, fucking speed of bullet is faster than speed of sound." }, { "end_time": "40:52", "start_time": "40:43", "text": "So I'm going to feel the jerk before the neuron neural network transfers that energy impact on my body, I would be gone." }, { "end_time": "40:54", "start_time": "40:52", "text": "So I'll not know the point of death." }, { "end_time": "40:58", "start_time": "40:54", "text": "I will not feel the point of death, but the point of death had happened before that already." }, { "end_time": "41:02", "start_time": "41:00", "text": "So just waiting to die." }, { "end_time": "41:05", "start_time": "41:02", "text": "And I just seeing there's nothing beyond, just waiting to die." }, { "end_time": "41:06", "start_time": "41:05", "text": "There is nothing beyond." }, { "end_time": "41:08", "start_time": "41:06", "text": "And that that point, there is no fear." }, { "end_time": "41:10", "start_time": "41:08", "text": "People should stop fearing death and all." }, { "end_time": "41:11", "start_time": "41:10", "text": "There is there is there is nothing to fear." }, { "end_time": "41:13", "start_time": "41:11", "text": "When you reach that point, there is nothing." }, { "end_time": "41:14", "start_time": "41:14", "text": "No emotion, nothing." }, { "end_time": "41:19", "start_time": "41:14", "text": "You will just see your entire life flash by in no time." }, { "end_time": "41:20", "start_time": "41:19", "text": "There is no time." }, { "end_time": "41:23", "start_time": "41:20", "text": "So you will experience that." }, { "end_time": "41:28", "start_time": "41:23", "text": "And if you are still alive, then you can start doing what we are doing kind of a thing, you know." }, { "end_time": "41:31", "start_time": "41:29", "text": "Otherwise, you know, there are other ways also." }, { "end_time": "41:36", "start_time": "41:31", "text": "People, like, maybe I'm dumb, you know, it takes intense experience to for me to realize something." }, { "end_time": "41:38", "start_time": "41:36", "text": "Some people just realize it without experiencing." }, { "end_time": "41:40", "start_time": "41:38", "text": "Maybe they've experienced in past life." }, { "end_time": "41:40", "start_time": "41:40", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "41:47", "start_time": "41:40", "text": "As far as I'm concerned, there is a right now and a right here, and this is the only real thing in this whole world, the moment." }, { "end_time": "42:00", "start_time": "41:47", "text": "So freedom has to be in the moment and practiced in the moment and like that you will go through moments and then at some point you will become like a master samurai sword freedom fucking guy who's creating his freedom all the time." }, { "end_time": "42:02", "start_time": "42:01", "text": "So freedom is not a destination." }, { "end_time": "42:03", "start_time": "42:03", "text": "It's a journey." }, { "end_time": "42:06", "start_time": "42:04", "text": "You have to start with it to get there." }, { "end_time": "42:12", "start_time": "42:06", "text": "Sumitra Jacob, I mean, while this was heavy and, you know, again, there's been lots of learnings." }, { "end_time": "42:17", "start_time": "42:12", "text": "I want you to leave the audiences with an explanation of what Operation Blue Freedom is." }, { "end_time": "42:20", "start_time": "42:18", "text": "So Operation Blue Freedom is what its name is." }, { "end_time": "42:22", "start_time": "42:20", "text": "Operation Blue Freedom." }, { "end_time": "42:27", "start_time": "42:22", "text": "So Operation is Operation it's marks the special forces mindset, the operational mindset that we go." }, { "end_time": "42:29", "start_time": "42:27", "text": "It's a fucking operation what we are doing." }, { "end_time": "42:35", "start_time": "42:29", "text": "We are gonna travel across the world and make these things accessible to everyone." }, { "end_time": "42:39", "start_time": "42:35", "text": "Ability, disability, able-bodied, disabled, I don't fucking care." }, { "end_time": "42:41", "start_time": "42:39", "text": "Ability and disability is in your fucking mind, brother." }, { "end_time": "42:44", "start_time": "42:41", "text": "You will like I told you, there is this guy who has got nothing, let down paralyzed." }, { "end_time": "42:45", "start_time": "42:45", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "42:48", "start_time": "42:45", "text": "He's fucking typing out, but his entire social media is handling." }, { "end_time": "42:53", "start_time": "42:48", "text": "He goes on a he with his chin, he moves that joystick and like this, like this, like this." }, { "end_time": "42:55", "start_time": "42:53", "text": "He goes shopping in the mall, man." }, { "end_time": "42:56", "start_time": "42:55", "text": "He crosses main roads." }, { "end_time": "42:58", "start_time": "42:56", "text": "He sits in Delhi Metro, goes here, there." }, { "end_time": "42:59", "start_time": "42:58", "text": "He's living his life." }, { "end_time": "43:02", "start_time": "42:59", "text": "He's learning how to play the piano with with his mouth like that." }, { "end_time": "43:04", "start_time": "43:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "43:06", "start_time": "43:05", "text": "So he's free." }, { "end_time": "43:06", "start_time": "43:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "43:12", "start_time": "43:07", "text": "And there are so many able-bodied people, you know, so fully able-bodied, but he may have this big muscle also." }, { "end_time": "43:12", "start_time": "43:12", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "43:15", "start_time": "43:12", "text": "But, you know, living depressed and feeling depleted." }, { "end_time": "43:19", "start_time": "43:16", "text": "So it's just a perception of understanding." }, { "end_time": "43:24", "start_time": "43:19", "text": "So so operation is special forces mindset." }, { "end_time": "43:27", "start_time": "43:24", "text": "The way we are approaching this mission, it's a mission for us." }, { "end_time": "43:27", "start_time": "43:27", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "43:28", "start_time": "43:27", "text": "We will get it done, brother." }, { "end_time": "43:30", "start_time": "43:28", "text": "We never fail." }, { "end_time": "43:31", "start_time": "43:30", "text": "Never ever fail." }, { "end_time": "43:32", "start_time": "43:32", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "43:36", "start_time": "43:32", "text": "That's when we we set we take on only that that we already know we have succeeded." }, { "end_time": "43:37", "start_time": "43:36", "text": "That is what we go out to hit." }, { "end_time": "43:41", "start_time": "43:37", "text": "If we feel not gonna succeed, we plan to succeed, but we never let it go." }, { "end_time": "43:42", "start_time": "43:42", "text": "So that's operation." }, { "end_time": "43:44", "start_time": "43:43", "text": "Blue is the earth." }, { "end_time": "43:48", "start_time": "43:45", "text": "So we're gonna you know, operation blue, freedom." }, { "end_time": "44:05", "start_time": "43:49", "text": "So what I realized is through the experience of the outdoors, through the experience of nature, to the experience of meeting people on this journey, like that, like that, we will share what we feel and truth, you know, truth doesn't need truth just needs to be spoken and it'll vibrate inside you." }, { "end_time": "44:07", "start_time": "44:05", "text": "It'll vibrate inside him, you know." }, { "end_time": "44:08", "start_time": "44:07", "text": "So it'll expand." }, { "end_time": "44:09", "start_time": "44:08", "text": "It'll open up." }, { "end_time": "44:13", "start_time": "44:09", "text": "All the illusions that are there will fall away when you talk about truth." }, { "end_time": "44:14", "start_time": "44:13", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "44:22", "start_time": "44:14", "text": "So, so, Operation Blue Freedom has two parts of it." }, { "end_time": "44:29", "start_time": "44:25", "text": "Freedom starts from a perception, perception of freedom itself, what it means to be free." }, { "end_time": "44:30", "start_time": "44:30", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "44:38", "start_time": "44:30", "text": "So there's lot of confusion around it and, you know, some people think it's physical freedom, some people think become a yogi and become spiritual free." }, { "end_time": "44:40", "start_time": "44:38", "text": "Whatever whatever it means to everyone else." }, { "end_time": "44:42", "start_time": "44:40", "text": "But for it means I love this earth." }, { "end_time": "44:43", "start_time": "44:42", "text": "I love the people on this earth." }, { "end_time": "44:46", "start_time": "44:43", "text": "I love the experiences that are to be had on this earth." }, { "end_time": "44:48", "start_time": "44:46", "text": "It's endlessly, endlessly blissful." }, { "end_time": "44:50", "start_time": "44:48", "text": "We just have to be able to perceive it like that." }, { "end_time": "44:57", "start_time": "44:51", "text": "So if everybody starts perceiving it like that, we'll be all having a fucking ball instead of fucking throwing bombs at each other, you know." }, { "end_time": "45:00", "start_time": "44:57", "text": "There's so many people who waste food and there's so many people who are dying of hunger." }, { "end_time": "45:01", "start_time": "45:00", "text": "There's an inequality." }, { "end_time": "45:02", "start_time": "45:02", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "45:04", "start_time": "45:03", "text": "So like that, whatever." }, { "end_time": "45:27", "start_time": "45:05", "text": "So Operation Blue Freedom had to operate at a so that's maybe where the special forces mindset or all my experiences crunched down into that where by the time I reached Bombay and I finished with Bombay, and I took a break before Lakshadweep and I went to Trivandrum to my mom's place." }, { "end_time": "45:33", "start_time": "45:28", "text": "And I was like, I reached my mom's house and I like to sleep on my mom's carpet." }, { "end_time": "45:33", "start_time": "45:33", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "45:35", "start_time": "45:34", "text": "It's cooler there." }, { "end_time": "45:42", "start_time": "45:35", "text": "So, and I went and bought a whole case of beer, and I parked it, and my mind was shut off." }, { "end_time": "45:49", "start_time": "45:42", "text": "Like, I got I was constantly fed up fed up fed up or asking, you know, constantly asking people for something." }, { "end_time": "45:50", "start_time": "45:49", "text": "Give me scuba gear." }, { "end_time": "45:51", "start_time": "45:50", "text": "Give me compressor." }, { "end_time": "45:52", "start_time": "45:51", "text": "Give me vehicle." }, { "end_time": "45:53", "start_time": "45:52", "text": "Give me pool." }, { "end_time": "45:53", "start_time": "45:53", "text": "Give me this." }, { "end_time": "45:54", "start_time": "45:53", "text": "Give me that." }, { "end_time": "45:57", "start_time": "45:54", "text": "I'm a person who doesn't like to ask anything from anyone." }, { "end_time": "45:58", "start_time": "45:58", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "46:01", "start_time": "45:58", "text": "But to do something like this, you know, I didn't have the money." }, { "end_time": "46:02", "start_time": "46:01", "text": "If I had the money, I'd buy it." }, { "end_time": "46:03", "start_time": "46:02", "text": "No?" }, { "end_time": "46:04", "start_time": "46:03", "text": "Why would I ask anybody for anything?" }, { "end_time": "46:05", "start_time": "46:04", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "46:10", "start_time": "46:05", "text": "And special forces, especially, you know, it's you depend on yourself only and the people that you love, and that's it." }, { "end_time": "46:23", "start_time": "46:11", "text": "So now having to depend on total strangers and trying to explain some story to them that, you know, what, you know, good thing we are doing and checking to see whether somebody resonates, doesn't resonate, and, all that bullshit, I was fed up." }, { "end_time": "46:25", "start_time": "46:23", "text": "I wrote my wits end, you know." }, { "end_time": "46:33", "start_time": "46:26", "text": "And, I went home and I bought this bloody case of beer and I put it there and I started drinking." }, { "end_time": "46:40", "start_time": "46:34", "text": "And I drank and slept and drank and slept and drank and slept for 3 days." }, { "end_time": "47:12", "start_time": "46:41", "text": "On the 4th day, I woke up in the morning and it was just there in my head, 3 world records in land, sea and air, all the three elements by a team of people with disabilities, trained by former special forces, soldiers from across the globe, people with disabilities from across race, culture, class, nationality, religion, economic status, or ability from across this entire fucking spectrum of Maya that people call limitations." }, { "end_time": "47:16", "start_time": "47:13", "text": "All these limitations collected over here in one spot." }, { "end_time": "47:38", "start_time": "47:16", "text": "Special forces fucking soldiers coming in from across the globe, across race, culture, class, nationality coming in, training these people in all the three elements, scuba diving in water, skydiving in the air, and mountain hunting on land to break 3 world records and shatter this fucking perception of inability which is there in our society, in our experience, in our global society." }, { "end_time": "47:38", "start_time": "47:38", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "47:43", "start_time": "47:38", "text": "It's not something that only Indians are suffering from or Americans are not suffering from or whatever." }, { "end_time": "47:45", "start_time": "47:44", "text": "It's there everywhere." }, { "end_time": "47:49", "start_time": "47:46", "text": "No nation can be free when chaos is going on in some other nation." }, { "end_time": "47:50", "start_time": "47:49", "text": "It will always affect." }, { "end_time": "47:56", "start_time": "47:50", "text": "Throw a fucking nuclear bomb on somebody, the fucking nuclear bloody cloud will come and body pop poison your fucking own population." }, { "end_time": "47:57", "start_time": "47:56", "text": "It's like that." }, { "end_time": "47:59", "start_time": "47:57", "text": "So true freedom is a collective experience." }, { "end_time": "48:01", "start_time": "47:59", "text": "Don't throw fucking nuclear bombs." }, { "end_time": "48:02", "start_time": "48:01", "text": "Fucking help each other out, brother." }, { "end_time": "48:03", "start_time": "48:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:03", "start_time": "48:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:04", "start_time": "48:03", "text": "So it's like that." }, { "end_time": "48:11", "start_time": "48:04", "text": "All these boundaries, you know, this India, China, Japan, Pakistan, and all these, who has created these boundaries?" }, { "end_time": "48:13", "start_time": "48:11", "text": "Who has created these boundaries?" }, { "end_time": "48:14", "start_time": "48:13", "text": "Has God created these boundaries?" }, { "end_time": "48:15", "start_time": "48:14", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "48:17", "start_time": "48:15", "text": "Man and people like you and me have created these boundaries." }, { "end_time": "48:22", "start_time": "48:18", "text": "And that is what is, you know, when boundaries come, separation comes." }, { "end_time": "48:22", "start_time": "48:22", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "48:26", "start_time": "48:22", "text": "Separation filters down into so many manifestations of separations." }, { "end_time": "48:28", "start_time": "48:26", "text": "And you are in that Maya of separation." }, { "end_time": "48:32", "start_time": "48:28", "text": "You think you are separate from everybody else better, and then you start grading yourself." }, { "end_time": "48:34", "start_time": "48:32", "text": "Are you better than the other person or lesser than the other person?" }, { "end_time": "48:35", "start_time": "48:34", "text": "And there you're screwed, brother." }, { "end_time": "48:45", "start_time": "48:35", "text": "You're in that fucking manner, chucky, pissing and pissing constantly trying to get out of it, trying to escape from it, but not knowing how to get out of it because you're fucking in your mind, it's coded into you." }, { "end_time": "48:47", "start_time": "48:45", "text": "You're born into a society which is divided." }, { "end_time": "48:48", "start_time": "48:47", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "48:52", "start_time": "48:50", "text": "So so when so that's a perception." }, { "end_time": "49:00", "start_time": "48:53", "text": "So the truth now you can take fucking 100 years, 1000 years to to show the truth, so that you can experience the fucking truth." }, { "end_time": "49:00", "start_time": "49:00", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "49:03", "start_time": "49:00", "text": "If you and me are talking, you are unhappy, it will make me an also unhappy." }, { "end_time": "49:04", "start_time": "49:03", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "49:07", "start_time": "49:04", "text": "In some way, because, like, I'm not realized or something." }, { "end_time": "49:08", "start_time": "49:07", "text": "I'm just who I am." }, { "end_time": "49:15", "start_time": "49:08", "text": "So I know that for me to have an interaction with you where I can learn and happily so and all that, you know, I have to make sure you're also happy." }, { "end_time": "49:16", "start_time": "49:15", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "49:16", "start_time": "49:16", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "49:16", "start_time": "49:16", "text": "Like that." }, { "end_time": "49:17", "start_time": "49:16", "text": "So we can talk at that level." }, { "end_time": "49:21", "start_time": "49:17", "text": "Our insecurities are left away, and we can talk about what the truth is all about." }, { "end_time": "49:21", "start_time": "49:21", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "49:23", "start_time": "49:21", "text": "And have a meaningful conversation and take it from where." }, { "end_time": "49:34", "start_time": "49:26", "text": "So in this, you know, I realized that I have to fucking shatter this perception, and that's where the triple world records came in." }, { "end_time": "49:41", "start_time": "49:34", "text": "And I realized that, you know, you know, people get drawn by glitter and glamour and this and that and world records and whatnot." }, { "end_time": "49:46", "start_time": "49:41", "text": "People people get drawn in and they want to put their boards there and want to, you know, whatever there." }, { "end_time": "49:50", "start_time": "49:47", "text": "And I wanted to stop asking people for things." }, { "end_time": "49:53", "start_time": "49:51", "text": "So, like, like, this came to me." }, { "end_time": "49:55", "start_time": "49:54", "text": "This just came to me." }, { "end_time": "50:02", "start_time": "49:55", "text": "3 world records, land, sea, and air by a team of people people with disabilities from across the fucking globe, from across all forms of separation." }, { "end_time": "50:09", "start_time": "50:03", "text": "Hence, the gods of fucking destruction, you know, special forces from across the globe fucking collecting together and coming for this." }, { "end_time": "50:10", "start_time": "50:09", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "50:14", "start_time": "50:10", "text": "We are the first fucking special forces team in the whole world, in the whole world." }, { "end_time": "50:24", "start_time": "50:14", "text": "All if you go into, know, what special forces are doing after retiring, this is the first fucking team in the whole world of special forces soldiers which has gone towards humanity and creation." }, { "end_time": "50:27", "start_time": "50:26", "text": "Most of them are back into the game." }, { "end_time": "50:29", "start_time": "50:28", "text": "Guns for hire." }, { "end_time": "50:33", "start_time": "50:29", "text": "Feel like fucking pressing the trigger and fucking knocking somebody off and making some fucking money out of it." }, { "end_time": "50:34", "start_time": "50:33", "text": "That's bullshit." }, { "end_time": "50:36", "start_time": "50:35", "text": "That's bullshit." }, { "end_time": "50:38", "start_time": "50:37", "text": "So like that." }, { "end_time": "50:41", "start_time": "50:38", "text": "This is the first team in the world which is doing that." }, { "end_time": "50:41", "start_time": "50:41", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "50:43", "start_time": "50:41", "text": "Working for humanity, evolution, creation." }, { "end_time": "50:45", "start_time": "50:44", "text": "And it's happening, brother." }, { "end_time": "50:52", "start_time": "50:46", "text": "So if you open it up, right, for people with disabilities, right, people with disabilities." }, { "end_time": "50:55", "start_time": "50:52", "text": "If you open it up for people with disabilities, who who are people with disabilities?" }, { "end_time": "51:00", "start_time": "50:55", "text": "People with disabilities are the so called, the perceived weakest section of society." }, { "end_time": "51:02", "start_time": "51:00", "text": "And that's something I learned in the special forces." }, { "end_time": "51:04", "start_time": "51:02", "text": "There's a court of case 6." }, { "end_time": "51:06", "start_time": "51:04", "text": "Everybody's not fucking John Rambo there." }, { "end_time": "51:06", "start_time": "51:06", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "51:07", "start_time": "51:06", "text": "Somebody is a little less." }, { "end_time": "51:08", "start_time": "51:07", "text": "Somebody is a little more." }, { "end_time": "51:10", "start_time": "51:08", "text": "We balance it each balance each other out." }, { "end_time": "51:11", "start_time": "51:11", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "51:13", "start_time": "51:12", "text": "But none of us are afraid." }, { "end_time": "51:15", "start_time": "51:14", "text": "We may feel fear." }, { "end_time": "51:16", "start_time": "51:15", "text": "We can take it." }, { "end_time": "51:18", "start_time": "51:16", "text": "We take we fucking crunch fear." }, { "end_time": "51:18", "start_time": "51:18", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "51:19", "start_time": "51:18", "text": "So it's like that." }, { "end_time": "51:23", "start_time": "51:19", "text": "We operate at higher levels because of the fear we feel and we compensate." }, { "end_time": "51:27", "start_time": "51:23", "text": "We compensate with thinking and thought and cracking that fear." }, { "end_time": "51:51", "start_time": "51:30", "text": "So so this so called perceived weakest section of society, if these people can go and crack, you know, this human spirit, which is perceived as the lowest can go and or the weakest can go and crack all the three elements by skydiving, scuba diving, and mountaineering, that's a fucking in your face lesson for the rest of the world to see." }, { "end_time": "51:56", "start_time": "51:52", "text": "That if they can do it, fucking what the hell are we talking about?" }, { "end_time": "51:57", "start_time": "51:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:00", "start_time": "51:57", "text": "So perception change in the mind." }, { "end_time": "52:00", "start_time": "52:00", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "52:05", "start_time": "52:01", "text": "And there's so many other things that I realized that that's a fucking spirit." }, { "end_time": "52:08", "start_time": "52:05", "text": "Now you tap that spirit, you harness that spirit." }, { "end_time": "52:08", "start_time": "52:08", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "52:11", "start_time": "52:08", "text": "The people with disabilities, like, I have experienced." }, { "end_time": "52:13", "start_time": "52:11", "text": "Who are people with disabilities?" }, { "end_time": "52:24", "start_time": "52:13", "text": "If there are there are 1,800,000,000, I believe, people with disabilities in this world, out of those 1,800,000,000, 80% of those people have got paralyzed during life." }, { "end_time": "52:25", "start_time": "52:24", "text": "They got paralyzed during life." }, { "end_time": "52:27", "start_time": "52:25", "text": "They're not born with disability." }, { "end_time": "52:30", "start_time": "52:27", "text": "Only 20% of people in this world are born with disability." }, { "end_time": "52:35", "start_time": "52:30", "text": "80% of those 1,800,000,000 people are people who have got disabled during life." }, { "end_time": "52:39", "start_time": "52:35", "text": "Car accidents, fucking some brain damage, something, you know, whatever." }, { "end_time": "52:41", "start_time": "52:39", "text": "Train accident, blah blah blah blah blah." }, { "end_time": "52:44", "start_time": "52:41", "text": "So what I realized is fucking this shit can happen to anyone." }, { "end_time": "52:44", "start_time": "52:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:49", "start_time": "52:46", "text": "This shit can happen to anyone at any point of time in your life." }, { "end_time": "52:52", "start_time": "52:49", "text": "So actually, all of humanity is at stake here." }, { "end_time": "52:52", "start_time": "52:52", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "52:53", "start_time": "52:52", "text": "So whatever." }, { "end_time": "52:55", "start_time": "52:53", "text": "So so it's a perception change." }, { "end_time": "53:02", "start_time": "52:55", "text": "So you can actually shift around energy and create what you want to create once you realize what you are, and that realization is a perception of what you are." }, { "end_time": "53:05", "start_time": "53:03", "text": "A true perception of what you are." }, { "end_time": "53:07", "start_time": "53:05", "text": "You get into the fucking driving seat of your life." }, { "end_time": "53:09", "start_time": "53:07", "text": "Like Stephen Hawking, for example." }, { "end_time": "53:09", "start_time": "53:09", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "53:13", "start_time": "53:09", "text": "I fucking wrote so many books, man, on our universe." }, { "end_time": "53:15", "start_time": "53:13", "text": "You know, not even able to speak properly." }, { "end_time": "53:17", "start_time": "53:16", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "53:21", "start_time": "53:17", "text": "So there is no limit to freedom if the guy reaches the right perception." }, { "end_time": "53:31", "start_time": "53:22", "text": "So I realized okay, we will create these institutions where people can can come and learn and heal and rehabilitate and reskill to go back into the world." }, { "end_time": "53:33", "start_time": "53:31", "text": "And go get a real job also." }, { "end_time": "53:33", "start_time": "53:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "53:34", "start_time": "53:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "53:43", "start_time": "53:34", "text": "Get a real job and real life And, I think I've in, like, there are 0.001% of people with disabilities who have a job." }, { "end_time": "53:44", "start_time": "53:43", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "53:47", "start_time": "53:44", "text": "So a lot of this thing, the environment, it's it's like that." }, { "end_time": "53:54", "start_time": "53:47", "text": "A lot of people have insecurities that maybe if I take a person with disability to work, you know, I don't know how will he come to office, how will he work, how will he do this, how will he do that." }, { "end_time": "53:58", "start_time": "53:54", "text": "All the insecurity, your own insecurities you're projecting on your fucking environment." }, { "end_time": "54:11", "start_time": "53:58", "text": "What they don't realize is that if if you tap into this, when a person has been stripped off and he's still alive, so about 70% of people who undergo, disability during their life and they get into accidents, all 70% of them are suicidal." }, { "end_time": "54:17", "start_time": "54:11", "text": "They want to commit suicide because they can't adjust to this sudden, sudden shift in reality, sudden shift in reality." }, { "end_time": "54:28", "start_time": "54:17", "text": "Till now you were fucking just playing football and you were, you had a fucking bad, hard game of football and you were going back home on your bike and boom, spine broke, paralyzed, like that." }, { "end_time": "54:38", "start_time": "54:29", "text": "Your reality has changed, So that kind of immense breaking of reality is, like, worse than special forces probation." }, { "end_time": "54:39", "start_time": "54:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "54:43", "start_time": "54:40", "text": "So now to adjust to that, then is when your probation starts." }, { "end_time": "54:47", "start_time": "54:43", "text": "Lifelong probation of having to deal with this now." }, { "end_time": "54:51", "start_time": "54:47", "text": "Not being able to help yourself, not being able to fucking, you know, go to the pot on your own, man." }, { "end_time": "54:53", "start_time": "54:51", "text": "Not being able to change your own clothes on yourself." }, { "end_time": "54:54", "start_time": "54:53", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "54:55", "start_time": "54:54", "text": "There's so many things." }, { "end_time": "55:02", "start_time": "54:55", "text": "So so those people who go through this, 70% of them are suicidal in nature." }, { "end_time": "55:06", "start_time": "55:02", "text": "When suicidal, thoughts come, they want to end it." }, { "end_time": "55:07", "start_time": "55:06", "text": "They don't want to accept this reality." }, { "end_time": "55:10", "start_time": "55:07", "text": "The only way you can get away from this reality is by ending yourself." }, { "end_time": "55:11", "start_time": "55:10", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "55:13", "start_time": "55:11", "text": "Maybe next life, I'll reborn new body." }, { "end_time": "55:14", "start_time": "55:13", "text": "Something like that." }, { "end_time": "55:16", "start_time": "55:14", "text": "They're so willing to experience that also." }, { "end_time": "55:22", "start_time": "55:16", "text": "And entire in this process, the last thing that I realized where the vision kind of closed in, I said, okay." }, { "end_time": "55:23", "start_time": "55:22", "text": "No more thinking." }, { "end_time": "55:25", "start_time": "55:24", "text": "No more vision." }, { "end_time": "55:27", "start_time": "55:25", "text": "This is where it stops was the research part." }, { "end_time": "55:42", "start_time": "55:29", "text": "So I realized somewhere that if, you know, just thinking about it, thinking about it, experiencing, experiencing, learning, learning, soaking it all in, and I realized that if we research into disability, we will find the key to human ability." }, { "end_time": "55:55", "start_time": "55:43", "text": "For example, if there's a person who's neck down paralyzed, and we are trying all sorts of, you know, alternative healings and scuba diving and this and that, and slowly, we've had the kind of crazy things that I've seen happening in a pool." }, { "end_time": "55:57", "start_time": "55:55", "text": "This lady was, like, in the first time." }, { "end_time": "55:59", "start_time": "55:57", "text": "That's what, like, shook us." }, { "end_time": "56:08", "start_time": "55:59", "text": "She had she was, like, she had her leg was paralyzed, and, she used to somehow get around 40, 45 years old, whatever she may have been." }, { "end_time": "56:12", "start_time": "56:08", "text": "And she came on the 1st day for scuba diving, and that was it." }, { "end_time": "56:13", "start_time": "56:12", "text": "She was only getting one chance." }, { "end_time": "56:18", "start_time": "56:13", "text": "But every day, she would come there, sit on the wheelchair, and sit for 5, 6 hours a day watching us watching us watching us watching us." }, { "end_time": "56:24", "start_time": "56:18", "text": "And I used to keep looking at every day in the last before we used to close-up, I used to go and ask her, do you wanna come again?" }, { "end_time": "56:24", "start_time": "56:24", "text": "She said, yes." }, { "end_time": "56:25", "start_time": "56:24", "text": "She said, okay." }, { "end_time": "56:26", "start_time": "56:25", "text": "Come." }, { "end_time": "56:30", "start_time": "56:26", "text": "On the 4th day, her legs started fucking shaking in water." }, { "end_time": "56:32", "start_time": "56:30", "text": "First thing she saw a fucking movement in her leg." }, { "end_time": "56:33", "start_time": "56:32", "text": "It was just crazy to watch." }, { "end_time": "56:35", "start_time": "56:33", "text": "She started crying and beeping and what not happened?" }, { "end_time": "56:39", "start_time": "56:35", "text": "Burst of happiness happening inside her of the possibility of what she's experiencing." }, { "end_time": "56:43", "start_time": "56:40", "text": "Like the guy, this guy told you, orthopedic surgeon and all that." }, { "end_time": "56:46", "start_time": "56:43", "text": "When he came here, he could his hands were like his chest down paralyzed." }, { "end_time": "56:46", "start_time": "56:46", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "56:51", "start_time": "56:46", "text": "He could he got paralyzed 10 years back." }, { "end_time": "57:01", "start_time": "56:51", "text": "He had a car crash, he was driving home, car crash, didn't get injured, but the whiplash, the energy just broke his spine, got paralyzed." }, { "end_time": "57:04", "start_time": "57:02", "text": "So the cops came and he, like, guided the cops." }, { "end_time": "57:04", "start_time": "57:04", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "57:04", "start_time": "57:04", "text": "Hold on." }, { "end_time": "57:05", "start_time": "57:04", "text": "He was a surgeon." }, { "end_time": "57:06", "start_time": "57:05", "text": "He was an orthopedic surgeon." }, { "end_time": "57:07", "start_time": "57:06", "text": "He knew what has happened to him." }, { "end_time": "57:11", "start_time": "57:07", "text": "So he told him lift me like this, take me like this, blah blah blah blah blah, whatever." }, { "end_time": "57:15", "start_time": "57:11", "text": "Then he went through a medical procedure, then he went through rehabilitation and he went to 3 years of physiotherapy." }, { "end_time": "57:17", "start_time": "57:17", "text": "Nothing." }, { "end_time": "57:18", "start_time": "57:17", "text": "Gave up." }, { "end_time": "57:24", "start_time": "57:18", "text": "7 years he was at home, you know, and and learned some alternative way of, you know, stock market something something something." }, { "end_time": "57:25", "start_time": "57:24", "text": "Then he heard about us." }, { "end_time": "57:27", "start_time": "57:25", "text": "He heard about Operation Blue Freedom." }, { "end_time": "57:28", "start_time": "57:27", "text": "He heard about Klaw." }, { "end_time": "57:30", "start_time": "57:28", "text": "He drove from Bombay with his mother." }, { "end_time": "57:33", "start_time": "57:30", "text": "His mother is also, like, you know, like a surgeon and all." }, { "end_time": "57:36", "start_time": "57:34", "text": "They came here with his assistance and whatnot." }, { "end_time": "57:42", "start_time": "57:36", "text": "And he came here, and, he could hardly move his own wheelchair." }, { "end_time": "57:47", "start_time": "57:42", "text": "By the 4th day 4th day, he was circling around quiet." }, { "end_time": "57:53", "start_time": "57:47", "text": "By the 7th day, he was taking 4 circles of entire this entire training area, 4 circles every morning on his own." }, { "end_time": "57:55", "start_time": "57:53", "text": "He started lifting himself out of the chair." }, { "end_time": "57:57", "start_time": "57:55", "text": "He fucking started swimming on the 4th day inside the pool." }, { "end_time": "57:58", "start_time": "57:57", "text": "Started swimming." }, { "end_time": "58:00", "start_time": "57:59", "text": "You should have seen him diving." }, { "end_time": "58:01", "start_time": "58:01", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "58:02", "start_time": "58:02", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "58:05", "start_time": "58:02", "text": "His hands and strength started coming back and all that." }, { "end_time": "58:17", "start_time": "58:05", "text": "So all this, we are recording all of the data, change in blood pressure, change in change in how much, you know, energy, how much strength, change in, all the blood functions, everything we are recording." }, { "end_time": "58:26", "start_time": "58:18", "text": "The change in emotional state, change in perception of life, change in, the physical ability, all of that we are recording." }, { "end_time": "58:27", "start_time": "58:26", "text": "So it's research going on." }, { "end_time": "58:28", "start_time": "58:28", "text": "We're researching." }, { "end_time": "58:30", "start_time": "58:29", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "58:35", "start_time": "58:30", "text": "Like, we took him took him to this bareback horse riding place, which is there in in Auroville." }, { "end_time": "58:37", "start_time": "58:36", "text": "We took him there." }, { "end_time": "58:43", "start_time": "58:37", "text": "From never having ever been so up close to a horse, in half an hour he was sitting on the damn horse." }, { "end_time": "58:44", "start_time": "58:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "58:48", "start_time": "58:46", "text": "So it's magic happening, brother." }, { "end_time": "58:51", "start_time": "58:48", "text": "And this magic is for everyone for everyone." }, { "end_time": "58:56", "start_time": "58:51", "text": "So so all these signs, for example, if you if you take, there are prosthetics." }, { "end_time": "58:57", "start_time": "58:56", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "59:07", "start_time": "58:57", "text": "Prosthetics are advanced, prosthetics that are being developed and all that, you know, and there there are exoskeletons and all that being developed right now and all that, but they are all operating in operating in in isolation." }, { "end_time": "59:10", "start_time": "59:09", "text": "Somebody's got money." }, { "end_time": "59:12", "start_time": "59:10", "text": "He's able to research, but does not have the top level talent." }, { "end_time": "59:17", "start_time": "59:12", "text": "That that top level mindset, trained talent to be able to hire and get that together." }, { "end_time": "59:27", "start_time": "59:17", "text": "Somebody is doing research in somewhere in some far corner of, you know, America, and here that data will take fucking 20 years to reach a man who's here." }, { "end_time": "59:28", "start_time": "59:27", "text": "He'll be dead by then." }, { "end_time": "59:29", "start_time": "59:28", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "59:30", "start_time": "59:29", "text": "So it has to be aggregated." }, { "end_time": "59:51", "start_time": "59:31", "text": "The disability itself, human disability, which we all suffer from, it has to be aggregated, centralized, organized, and crunch into an efficient process, which is processing this disability and bringing out fucking new new new data, new research, new new technology, which will just enhance the human ability." }, { "end_time": "59:51", "start_time": "59:51", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "59:57", "start_time": "59:51", "text": "We are going to we are as a species, we are going to transcend our bodies." }, { "end_time": "59:58", "start_time": "59:58", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "59:59", "start_time": "59:58", "text": "So Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:00:00", "start_time": "59:59", "text": "So that's where we are headed." }, { "end_time": "1:00:13", "start_time": "1:00:00", "text": "So this is the vision is that this this this, matrix that we have collected on the ground, this is the first facility that we have, like, we have we have developed, like, not the structure itself." }, { "end_time": "1:00:16", "start_time": "1:00:13", "text": "We've learned to kind of piggyback with someone else, but the processes are on." }, { "end_time": "1:00:17", "start_time": "1:00:17", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:00:27", "start_time": "1:00:17", "text": "From what I gauge, you're actually kind of working towards the next stage of evolution, which begins from love, which begins from your heart, which begins from empathy." }, { "end_time": "1:00:29", "start_time": "1:00:28", "text": "The will to live." }, { "end_time": "1:00:30", "start_time": "1:00:29", "text": "Yes, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:00:32", "start_time": "1:00:30", "text": "And you know, it's it's not just that that you're doing." }, { "end_time": "1:00:32", "start_time": "1:00:32", "text": "Let me just tell you." }, { "end_time": "1:00:42", "start_time": "1:00:32", "text": "I mean, again, I feel like when you're living a certain life, you don't realize everything else that you're giving to the world while you're in that sense of duty, while you're in that sense of doing." }, { "end_time": "1:00:43", "start_time": "1:00:42", "text": "No sense of duty, brother." }, { "end_time": "1:00:45", "start_time": "1:00:44", "text": "I'm wanting to live my life." }, { "end_time": "1:00:46", "start_time": "1:00:45", "text": "This is how I wanna live my life." }, { "end_time": "1:00:47", "start_time": "1:00:47", "text": "It's my life." }, { "end_time": "1:00:48", "start_time": "1:00:47", "text": "No?" }, { "end_time": "1:00:49", "start_time": "1:00:48", "text": "This is how I wanna live it." }, { "end_time": "1:00:53", "start_time": "1:00:49", "text": "I'm not going around putting bullet into somebody or troubling somebody or something." }, { "end_time": "1:00:54", "start_time": "1:00:53", "text": "I'm just doing my own shit." }, { "end_time": "1:00:55", "start_time": "1:00:54", "text": "And there's my team." }, { "end_time": "1:00:57", "start_time": "1:00:55", "text": "They're also doing what we're doing." }, { "end_time": "1:01:00", "start_time": "1:00:57", "text": "We're not interested in, what other people are doing or this or that." }, { "end_time": "1:01:02", "start_time": "1:01:00", "text": "There's knowledge to be gained." }, { "end_time": "1:01:02", "start_time": "1:01:02", "text": "We research." }, { "end_time": "1:01:05", "start_time": "1:01:02", "text": "We this thing, but we are on our own trip, man." }, { "end_time": "1:01:05", "start_time": "1:01:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:01:12", "start_time": "1:01:05", "text": "And I we're just doing this, and the way people are coming together to help us is just, like, amazing." }, { "end_time": "1:01:12", "start_time": "1:01:12", "text": "Yeah?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:13", "start_time": "1:01:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:01:14", "start_time": "1:01:13", "text": "And there's a vision, you know." }, { "end_time": "1:01:23", "start_time": "1:01:14", "text": "So all all special forces soldiers across every country has got people with disabilities, and every country has got special forces soldiers who retire." }, { "end_time": "1:01:25", "start_time": "1:01:23", "text": "They retire at 30, 35 years of age." }, { "end_time": "1:01:26", "start_time": "1:01:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:01:30", "start_time": "1:01:26", "text": "They are like they are like the gods of combat coming out." }, { "end_time": "1:01:31", "start_time": "1:01:30", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:32", "start_time": "1:01:31", "text": "Shift this fucking energy." }, { "end_time": "1:01:33", "start_time": "1:01:32", "text": "It's just energy." }, { "end_time": "1:01:35", "start_time": "1:01:33", "text": "Very, very high tempo fucking energy." }, { "end_time": "1:01:39", "start_time": "1:01:35", "text": "Just capture that energy and channelize towards fucking human evolution." }, { "end_time": "1:01:47", "start_time": "1:01:39", "text": "So it's like the paradox, you know, that our evolution and our creation will come out of from destruction." }, { "end_time": "1:01:52", "start_time": "1:01:47", "text": "The key to ability, human ability will come by researching and diving deep into disability." }, { "end_time": "1:01:54", "start_time": "1:01:52", "text": "So it's those paradoxes." }, { "end_time": "1:01:55", "start_time": "1:01:54", "text": "It's beautiful." }, { "end_time": "1:02:00", "start_time": "1:01:56", "text": "Of course I'll be linking all of clause handles down below, operation blue freedom." }, { "end_time": "1:02:02", "start_time": "1:02:00", "text": "All the details can be found in the website." }, { "end_time": "1:02:07", "start_time": "1:02:02", "text": "Vivek sir, I think we have about a 100 podcast yet to go." }, { "end_time": "1:02:08", "start_time": "1:02:07", "text": "There's gonna be a lot more stuff." }, { "end_time": "1:02:10", "start_time": "1:02:08", "text": "A lot of stuff happens behind the scenes." }, { "end_time": "1:02:12", "start_time": "1:02:11", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "1:02:16", "start_time": "1:02:12", "text": "So how was the experience of this whole podcast for you?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:16", "start_time": "1:02:16", "text": "Nice." }, { "end_time": "1:02:20", "start_time": "1:02:16", "text": "So the thing is, you know, like that's why I chose it." }, { "end_time": "1:02:22", "start_time": "1:02:21", "text": "I chose it." }, { "end_time": "1:02:29", "start_time": "1:02:23", "text": "Like, when I when this thing came and I looked at this, it's like I wanted to know who you are." }, { "end_time": "1:02:30", "start_time": "1:02:29", "text": "At what level will we talk?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:31", "start_time": "1:02:31", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:33", "start_time": "1:02:31", "text": "So then I saw that Ayahuasca thing." }, { "end_time": "1:02:42", "start_time": "1:02:33", "text": "And not just that you've explored Ayahuasca, that you had you had the fucking balls and the fucking intellect to just come out and speak your heart out." }, { "end_time": "1:02:43", "start_time": "1:02:42", "text": "So you're speaking the truth." }, { "end_time": "1:02:52", "start_time": "1:02:44", "text": "Now that's what people need to hear because only the truth, the spear of fucking truth can pierce this fucking mire of lies." }, { "end_time": "1:02:53", "start_time": "1:02:53", "text": "Yes, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:02:54", "start_time": "1:02:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:02:58", "start_time": "1:02:54", "text": "So that's where we connected, and and it's like that." }, { "end_time": "1:03:03", "start_time": "1:02:58", "text": "So you're vibrating there, and you are conscious there, and you're exploring there just like I'm exploring." }, { "end_time": "1:03:06", "start_time": "1:03:03", "text": "And that's why we can talk and and evolve." }, { "end_time": "1:03:11", "start_time": "1:03:07", "text": "I in in any way that I can be a part of your journey, sir, like, I'm always there." }, { "end_time": "1:03:14", "start_time": "1:03:11", "text": "Nobody escapes like a black hole." }, { "end_time": "1:03:15", "start_time": "1:03:14", "text": "Once you're in, you can't get out." }, { "end_time": "1:03:19", "start_time": "1:03:16", "text": "But, from the bottom of my heart, so thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:03:22", "start_time": "1:03:19", "text": "You don't know what you've given to me just through the course of this conversation." }, { "end_time": "1:03:23", "start_time": "1:03:22", "text": "Forget the content." }, { "end_time": "1:03:24", "start_time": "1:03:23", "text": "Forget the podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:03:25", "start_time": "1:03:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:03:27", "start_time": "1:03:25", "text": "I mean, I I hope so, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:03:30", "start_time": "1:03:27", "text": "But, all working towards that same consciousness." }, { "end_time": "1:03:32", "start_time": "1:03:31", "text": "Thank you, Mira Jacob." }, { "end_time": "1:03:37", "start_time": "1:03:32", "text": "This was one of the most highly requested podcast from our YouTube world, from our Spotify world." }, { "end_time": "1:03:39", "start_time": "1:03:38", "text": "And I'm glad that we made it a reality." }, { "end_time": "1:03:41", "start_time": "1:03:40", "text": "Lots more to do." }, { "end_time": "1:03:42", "start_time": "1:03:41", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:03:42", "start_time": "1:03:42", "text": "Thank you, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:03:43", "start_time": "1:03:42", "text": "Thank you." } ] }

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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:04", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "See, the the most dangerous fighter is the guy who's intelligent and motivated." }, { "end_time": "0:10", "start_time": "0:05", "text": "And if he's trained and unleashed on a terrain of his own choosing, he's the most dangerous man." }, { "end_time": "0:16", "start_time": "0:10", "text": "And as the special the American special forces say, right man in the right job is the most devastating weapon." }, { "end_time": "0:18", "start_time": "0:16", "text": "And the Tamil Tiger was exactly that." }, { "end_time": "0:21", "start_time": "0:18", "text": "And at that state, the accord had been signed." }, { "end_time": "0:24", "start_time": "0:21", "text": "So Jayavardena said hand them over to us, the Sri Lankan army." }, { "end_time": "0:25", "start_time": "0:24", "text": "The LTT said, don't do it." }, { "end_time": "0:26", "start_time": "0:25", "text": "They'll be tortured." }, { "end_time": "0:27", "start_time": "0:26", "text": "They'll be killed." }, { "end_time": "0:32", "start_time": "0:27", "text": "But because the accord accord had been signed, it was decided to hand them over to the Sri Lankan army." }, { "end_time": "0:41", "start_time": "0:32", "text": "They asked that a last meal be given to the boys and they passed cyanide capsules inside and all 17 of them committed suicide, chewed on their cyanide capsules." }, { "end_time": "0:57", "start_time": "0:41", "text": "I know your problem, Sheikh Khan You've been attacked by a leopard He says oh forget that I said no no no no listen to me That leopard because you f****ers You f****ers don't come down and fight You bastards sitting up there or hanging around in the villages We've trained these leopards They're trained by us." }, { "end_time": "0:59", "start_time": "0:57", "text": "Now these leop leopards are gonna come hunting for you." }, { "end_time": "1:04", "start_time": "1:00", "text": "Military themed episodes of the Renvie show are always well received." }, { "end_time": "1:11", "start_time": "1:04", "text": "This one features Abhisar Prusav, one of the most eloquent military veterans that I have met." }, { "end_time": "1:13", "start_time": "1:11", "text": "He's one of the best speakers." }, { "end_time": "1:21", "start_time": "1:13", "text": "And when it comes to military podcasts, Para SF podcast, which is the special forces wing of the Indian Army." }, { "end_time": "1:24", "start_time": "1:22", "text": "The Para SF podcasts are my absolute favorites." }, { "end_time": "1:26", "start_time": "1:24", "text": "I'm not going to talk too much about this one." }, { "end_time": "1:28", "start_time": "1:26", "text": "I'll let you dive straight in." }, { "end_time": "1:31", "start_time": "1:28", "text": "I will say that TRS is a Spotify exclusive." }, { "end_time": "1:35", "start_time": "1:31", "text": "Every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world." }, { "end_time": "1:39", "start_time": "1:35", "text": "You know that if it's a ParaSF Podcast, there's gonna be talk about combat." }, { "end_time": "1:48", "start_time": "1:39", "text": "There's gonna be talk about mentality, there's gonna be talk about wild animal encounters, insurgency, and there's also going to be some emotional talk." }, { "end_time": "1:56", "start_time": "1:48", "text": "This one was an emotionally charged episode that I enjoyed recording very much, and I hope you enjoy it as much as I did." }, { "end_time": "1:57", "start_time": "1:56", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "2:19", "start_time": "2:17", "text": "Another special forces themed episode." }, { "end_time": "2:28", "start_time": "2:21", "text": "Honored to have you, but I also feel at the same time that this is gonna be a slightly different special forces themed episode." }, { "end_time": "2:30", "start_time": "2:29", "text": "How are you, sir?" }, { "end_time": "2:31", "start_time": "2:30", "text": "Thank you very much." }, { "end_time": "2:33", "start_time": "2:31", "text": "Very happy to be on your show." }, { "end_time": "2:33", "start_time": "2:33", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "2:34", "start_time": "2:33", "text": "I hope it's interesting." }, { "end_time": "2:35", "start_time": "2:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:44", "start_time": "2:35", "text": "I feel there's so many experiences you've had which we're going to unpack over the course of this podcast and hopefully the next one as well." }, { "end_time": "2:48", "start_time": "2:45", "text": "There's just something different about special forces officers." }, { "end_time": "3:02", "start_time": "2:49", "text": "In my eyes as a civilian or rather as a podcaster who's done a few special forces themed episodes, usually, special forces officers are not necessarily looking for growth as the human chase." }, { "end_time": "3:04", "start_time": "3:02", "text": "They're looking for exploration as the human chase." }, { "end_time": "3:11", "start_time": "3:04", "text": "And I feel every human has that human chase while most of the world looks for growth of some form, spiritual growth or intellectual growth or material growth." }, { "end_time": "3:15", "start_time": "3:11", "text": "Special forces veterans look for exploration of life." }, { "end_time": "3:17", "start_time": "3:16", "text": "Is that a fair observation?" }, { "end_time": "3:37", "start_time": "3:19", "text": "So, Ranveer, I can easily say that when people volunteered for the special forces, At that stage, I'm certain 100% wanted to treat it as a profession and not as a career." }, { "end_time": "3:39", "start_time": "3:37", "text": "And there's a huge difference here." }, { "end_time": "3:42", "start_time": "3:40", "text": "It was a profession of arms." }, { "end_time": "3:43", "start_time": "3:42", "text": "It was not a career." }, { "end_time": "3:50", "start_time": "3:43", "text": "When you when you use the word career, then you do a lot of things to further that so that you can go up the ladder." }, { "end_time": "3:53", "start_time": "3:51", "text": "All of us were there because we wanted to be there." }, { "end_time": "4:15", "start_time": "3:53", "text": "Not because we wanted to become generals or brigadiers, but because we wanted to do things that special forces was offering, which is which is going out, doing unorthodox soldiering, a tough life, the camaraderie, training, the experiences." }, { "end_time": "4:31", "start_time": "4:16", "text": "So if you went to SF Unit, you would find, and and this goes for the men also, but also certainly, it was a motley collection of adventurers, romantics, eccentrics, misfits, all sorts." }, { "end_time": "4:34", "start_time": "4:32", "text": "I find I've noticed this as well." }, { "end_time": "4:35", "start_time": "4:34", "text": "The eccentric I'm sure." }, { "end_time": "4:36", "start_time": "4:35", "text": "I'm telling you outside." }, { "end_time": "4:38", "start_time": "4:36", "text": "I mean, you should be on the special forces selection committee." }, { "end_time": "4:40", "start_time": "4:38", "text": "You know them backwards now." }, { "end_time": "4:42", "start_time": "4:40", "text": "And you can see that each of them is a character." }, { "end_time": "4:43", "start_time": "4:42", "text": "Each of them is a character." }, { "end_time": "4:44", "start_time": "4:43", "text": "Each of them is a character." }, { "end_time": "4:49", "start_time": "4:44", "text": "Which is what excites me about special forces podcast because usually we get molds of people with you guys." }, { "end_time": "4:50", "start_time": "4:49", "text": "Each person is a mold." }, { "end_time": "4:52", "start_time": "4:51", "text": "Each guy is a character." }, { "end_time": "4:54", "start_time": "4:52", "text": "And they they appreciated it." }, { "end_time": "4:55", "start_time": "4:54", "text": "They encouraged it." }, { "end_time": "5:00", "start_time": "4:55", "text": "But certainly I'd say, if you want to use the word exploration." }, { "end_time": "5:01", "start_time": "5:01", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:03", "start_time": "5:01", "text": "They had diverse interest." }, { "end_time": "5:06", "start_time": "5:04", "text": "They wanted to push the limits." }, { "end_time": "5:09", "start_time": "5:06", "text": "They wanted to just discover themselves." }, { "end_time": "5:12", "start_time": "5:10", "text": "And they were certainly different." }, { "end_time": "5:12", "start_time": "5:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:13", "start_time": "5:12", "text": "Certainly different." }, { "end_time": "5:31", "start_time": "5:13", "text": "You know, I can't say because I have no data on it, but, I'm sure if you saw some of the guys who left the army and got into CV Street, I'm certain 90% to 95% have done exceedingly well in Seaview Street." }, { "end_time": "5:33", "start_time": "5:31", "text": "What is that for listeners?" }, { "end_time": "5:35", "start_time": "5:33", "text": "Just to give them context." }, { "end_time": "5:39", "start_time": "5:35", "text": "This is I mean, you know, left the army and went into the civilian life." }, { "end_time": "5:44", "start_time": "5:40", "text": "I mean, it just shows the adaptability, which is one of the qualities required." }, { "end_time": "5:48", "start_time": "5:44", "text": "You know, like the Chinese say a good bamboo bend bends with the wind." }, { "end_time": "5:50", "start_time": "5:49", "text": "Most of them have done well." }, { "end_time": "5:54", "start_time": "5:50", "text": "I've got I've got friends, you know, and couple of them who started companies, sold them off." }, { "end_time": "5:54", "start_time": "5:54", "text": "They're millionaires." }, { "end_time": "5:56", "start_time": "5:55", "text": "These are special forces?" }, { "end_time": "5:57", "start_time": "5:56", "text": "Massive guys." }, { "end_time": "5:58", "start_time": "5:57", "text": "My batch." }, { "end_time": "5:59", "start_time": "5:59", "text": "Large companies." }, { "end_time": "6:01", "start_time": "6:00", "text": "When did you serve, sir?" }, { "end_time": "6:03", "start_time": "6:02", "text": "Oh, I'm an old soldier now." }, { "end_time": "6:06", "start_time": "6:03", "text": "I was commissioned 89, 88 actually." }, { "end_time": "6:13", "start_time": "6:07", "text": "You know, you're one of the rare special forces veterans where I'm not intimidated at the start." }, { "end_time": "6:15", "start_time": "6:14", "text": "Like I love to hear that." }, { "end_time": "6:16", "start_time": "6:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:21", "start_time": "6:16", "text": "What you spoke about, everyone being unique, you're not like the other folks I've met." }, { "end_time": "6:24", "start_time": "6:21", "text": "I love each of them in a different way, honestly." }, { "end_time": "6:25", "start_time": "6:24", "text": "Like, I already love you." }, { "end_time": "6:25", "start_time": "6:25", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "6:25", "start_time": "6:25", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "6:31", "start_time": "6:25", "text": "But, you know, Randi, the point is this is the little, joke I had with my ex and dear friends in the unit." }, { "end_time": "6:35", "start_time": "6:32", "text": "Bulk of the officer were ex NDA's." }, { "end_time": "6:36", "start_time": "6:35", "text": "I'm a direct entry." }, { "end_time": "6:38", "start_time": "6:36", "text": "I'm a Delhi University man." }, { "end_time": "6:43", "start_time": "6:38", "text": "And I joined for a specific purpose because I wanted to prove a point to my father who's also ex army." }, { "end_time": "7:02", "start_time": "6:44", "text": "So, the moment I joined the academy and, there was this grind that they were putting you into, get you into that format of what a soldier needs to do, think, behave, In the back of my mind, I have to keep telling myself, I am a civilian." }, { "end_time": "7:03", "start_time": "7:02", "text": "Someday I am going to be a civilian." }, { "end_time": "7:05", "start_time": "7:04", "text": "I am here for the adventure." }, { "end_time": "7:06", "start_time": "7:05", "text": "I am here for the romance." }, { "end_time": "7:08", "start_time": "7:06", "text": "I am here to prove a point to my father." }, { "end_time": "7:11", "start_time": "7:09", "text": "Keep that Delhi University side alive." }, { "end_time": "7:17", "start_time": "7:13", "text": "And I think the moment I left, you know, that civil inside has sort of emerged." }, { "end_time": "7:21", "start_time": "7:18", "text": "So perhaps I don't come across that much of a soldier." }, { "end_time": "7:30", "start_time": "7:22", "text": "And, of course, the SF also gave you a chance to keep long hair, keep a beard, unconventional soldiering." }, { "end_time": "7:31", "start_time": "7:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:35", "start_time": "7:32", "text": "And discipline was more internal than imposed from outside." }, { "end_time": "7:39", "start_time": "7:36", "text": "Unconventional soldiering for unconventional missions." }, { "end_time": "7:39", "start_time": "7:39", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "7:40", "start_time": "7:40", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "7:48", "start_time": "7:40", "text": "For someone who's probably tuning into a special forces podcast for the first time, would you like to shed some light on what unconventional missions even means?" }, { "end_time": "7:50", "start_time": "7:49", "text": "No, Ranveer, it could be anything." }, { "end_time": "7:57", "start_time": "7:50", "text": "So there was there was a whole set of conventional missions that you trained for." }, { "end_time": "8:03", "start_time": "7:58", "text": "I and I'm talking in those days, we had 3 units when I joined." }, { "end_time": "8:04", "start_time": "8:03", "text": "There were 3 commander units." }, { "end_time": "8:07", "start_time": "8:04", "text": "Now you call them special forces and now there's a whole bunch of them." }, { "end_time": "8:07", "start_time": "8:07", "text": "Them." }, { "end_time": "8:09", "start_time": "8:07", "text": "They converted the parachute battalions also." }, { "end_time": "8:10", "start_time": "8:09", "text": "I'll give you the civilian version of it." }, { "end_time": "8:11", "start_time": "8:10", "text": "Correct me if I'm wrong." }, { "end_time": "8:23", "start_time": "8:11", "text": "Basically, army, navy, air force have their commando units, which are slightly higher efficiency soldiers and trained with supplemental training courses that constitutes the basics of special forces." }, { "end_time": "8:27", "start_time": "8:23", "text": "Paris for army, MARCOS for navy, Garuda for air force." }, { "end_time": "8:34", "start_time": "8:27", "text": "And I believe now there are even more special forces regiments like the NSG, but I will let you go on from here." }, { "end_time": "8:34", "start_time": "8:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:37", "start_time": "8:34", "text": "So so the the tasking the conventional tasking is different." }, { "end_time": "8:41", "start_time": "8:37", "text": "The conventional tasking could be anything which is behind enemy lines in a conventional world." }, { "end_time": "8:44", "start_time": "8:41", "text": "It could be hitting, enemy headquarters." }, { "end_time": "8:45", "start_time": "8:44", "text": "It could be blowing up a dam." }, { "end_time": "8:50", "start_time": "8:45", "text": "It could be blowing up an aqueduct, train, raid, assassination, whatever." }, { "end_time": "8:53", "start_time": "8:51", "text": "And this is in a conventional war." }, { "end_time": "9:03", "start_time": "8:53", "text": "In an unconventional war, which is where we've been engaged most of the time, bulk of the experience the SF units have gained, has been in Kashmir, Northeast." }, { "end_time": "9:07", "start_time": "9:05", "text": "I had the opportunity, of course, of going to Sri Lanka." }, { "end_time": "9:13", "start_time": "9:08", "text": "But bulk of the experience now is in counterinstancy in your own country." }, { "end_time": "9:22", "start_time": "9:14", "text": "So whether the conventional role and in the unconventional in within the ambit of what is happening within the country, SF units are shown." }, { "end_time": "9:29", "start_time": "9:22", "text": "And those missions are ambush, raid, you know, some of those things." }, { "end_time": "9:42", "start_time": "9:31", "text": "Of Kashmir, the northeast, and Sri Lanka, which one I mean, I don't even know how you can, like, gauge this, but is it a fair question to you if I ask you which one was the most challenging?" }, { "end_time": "9:43", "start_time": "9:42", "text": "Oh, of course it is, sir." }, { "end_time": "9:46", "start_time": "9:43", "text": "I mean, you can Sri Lanka." }, { "end_time": "9:47", "start_time": "9:46", "text": "Really?" }, { "end_time": "9:48", "start_time": "9:47", "text": "Oh, sir." }, { "end_time": "9:59", "start_time": "9:49", "text": "And I can say it with complete confidence if you ask this with any of those who served in Sri Lanka and have the experience of serving in the northeast and in in J and K." }, { "end_time": "10:01", "start_time": "9:59", "text": "And I served in J and K for a very long time." }, { "end_time": "10:03", "start_time": "10:01", "text": "It broke my back, you know, three and a half years." }, { "end_time": "10:07", "start_time": "10:04", "text": "They will still tell you it's Sri Lanka for the simple reason." }, { "end_time": "10:14", "start_time": "10:07", "text": "You went, to a country where you didn't know the terrain." }, { "end_time": "10:17", "start_time": "10:15", "text": "You didn't have the weaponry." }, { "end_time": "10:26", "start_time": "10:19", "text": "You were fighting against a bunch of people, a gorilla warfare who can mix around with the civilians." }, { "end_time": "10:31", "start_time": "10:29", "text": "It was a very difficult place." }, { "end_time": "10:32", "start_time": "10:31", "text": "Your mindset, you were not tuned." }, { "end_time": "10:33", "start_time": "10:32", "text": "You were not trained." }, { "end_time": "10:41", "start_time": "10:34", "text": "And every infantry battalion that went in, suffered casualties, very heavy casualties." }, { "end_time": "10:49", "start_time": "10:43", "text": "My own unit, which is an SF unit, lost 3 officers killed, 5 captains wounded, 32 other ranks." }, { "end_time": "10:56", "start_time": "10:50", "text": "When I joined, senior majors were going into operation, and everybody lost people." }, { "end_time": "10:59", "start_time": "10:57", "text": "They, they shattered the myth of the martial races." }, { "end_time": "11:02", "start_time": "11:00", "text": "The Gokhars, the Sikhs, you name it." }, { "end_time": "11:04", "start_time": "11:03", "text": "They would maul you." }, { "end_time": "11:06", "start_time": "11:05", "text": "They were killers." }, { "end_time": "11:11", "start_time": "11:06", "text": "See, the most dangerous fighter is the guy who is intelligent and motivated." }, { "end_time": "11:20", "start_time": "11:13", "text": "And if he is trained and unleashed on a terrain of his own choosing, he is the most dangerous man." }, { "end_time": "11:28", "start_time": "11:20", "text": "And the special the American special forces say, right man in the right job is the most devastating weapon." }, { "end_time": "11:30", "start_time": "11:28", "text": "And the Tamil Tiger was exactly that." }, { "end_time": "11:37", "start_time": "11:30", "text": "When you use this word motivated in terms of combat, what does that do to a human's mind?" }, { "end_time": "11:46", "start_time": "11:37", "text": "If you say that, okay, my mind is motivated within combat, does that make you do riskier maneuvers, more dangerous moves?" }, { "end_time": "11:47", "start_time": "11:46", "text": "Like, what is it?" }, { "end_time": "11:52", "start_time": "11:48", "text": "Ranveer, if you're not motivated, you are going to hold yourself back in combat." }, { "end_time": "11:53", "start_time": "11:53", "text": "Simple." }, { "end_time": "11:59", "start_time": "11:55", "text": "And in Sri Lanka, everybody was raising this issue at some stage or the other." }, { "end_time": "12:00", "start_time": "11:59", "text": "What are we doing here?" }, { "end_time": "12:02", "start_time": "12:01", "text": "What are the Indian Why are we here?" }, { "end_time": "12:06", "start_time": "12:03", "text": "And there was this big talk that they are always supporting them." }, { "end_time": "12:18", "start_time": "12:06", "text": "I hit a camp, and this is a known fact, I hit a camp, where there were receipts of, their casualties being treated in some, clinic in Rameshwaram." }, { "end_time": "12:20", "start_time": "12:19", "text": "There were movie tickets." }, { "end_time": "12:23", "start_time": "12:21", "text": "They had their safe houses in South India." }, { "end_time": "12:25", "start_time": "12:24", "text": "The role was supporting them." }, { "end_time": "12:28", "start_time": "12:26", "text": "Everybody knew this double game happening." }, { "end_time": "12:30", "start_time": "12:28", "text": "And at the same stage, you were getting mauled." }, { "end_time": "12:36", "start_time": "12:32", "text": "So there were there were what you call radio patrols happening." }, { "end_time": "12:39", "start_time": "12:36", "text": "The things that you see in the Vietnam What is what is it?" }, { "end_time": "12:40", "start_time": "12:39", "text": "Very bit of opinion." }, { "end_time": "12:41", "start_time": "12:40", "text": "You sent a petrol." }, { "end_time": "12:48", "start_time": "12:41", "text": "The petrol go out 200 meters from the perimeter, sit in the bush, fake some radio messages, come back." }, { "end_time": "12:49", "start_time": "12:48", "text": "Why take a chance?" }, { "end_time": "12:52", "start_time": "12:49", "text": "So, you know, it pushed the army to do these things." }, { "end_time": "12:55", "start_time": "12:53", "text": "Because it was such a dangerous place, you stepped out." }, { "end_time": "12:59", "start_time": "12:55", "text": "You stepped out of the post, and and you didn't know you would come back in one piece." }, { "end_time": "13:06", "start_time": "13:01", "text": "And I personally, I have the the concentration of a butterfly." }, { "end_time": "13:10", "start_time": "13:09", "text": "I'm very poor concentration and focus." }, { "end_time": "13:15", "start_time": "13:11", "text": "Sri Lanka is the only place where I'm I still remember." }, { "end_time": "13:21", "start_time": "13:15", "text": "When you stepped out of the post till you reached the ambush site, all your senses were working." }, { "end_time": "13:23", "start_time": "13:22", "text": "All your senses were working." }, { "end_time": "13:27", "start_time": "13:24", "text": "You couldn't you couldn't let your guard down." }, { "end_time": "13:28", "start_time": "13:27", "text": "They would hit you." }, { "end_time": "13:36", "start_time": "13:30", "text": "So could you give some geopolitical slash political, background on the situation?" }, { "end_time": "13:39", "start_time": "13:36", "text": "I'm assuming that this is about 93, 94, roughly that time." }, { "end_time": "13:45", "start_time": "13:40", "text": "What was happening with this whole Tamil Tygo situation, and why were people even riled up in the first place?" }, { "end_time": "13:47", "start_time": "13:45", "text": "Because we have a lot of Gen z listeners who are born after 2005." }, { "end_time": "13:48", "start_time": "13:47", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "13:49", "start_time": "13:48", "text": "They don't know a thing." }, { "end_time": "13:49", "start_time": "13:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:50", "start_time": "13:49", "text": "They don't know a thing." }, { "end_time": "13:55", "start_time": "13:50", "text": "My second book was, on Sri Lanka from about early eighties." }, { "end_time": "14:00", "start_time": "13:57", "text": "The the Senala and the Tamils had been at loggerheads." }, { "end_time": "14:04", "start_time": "14:02", "text": "The Tamil was always treated as second class citizen." }, { "end_time": "14:11", "start_time": "14:04", "text": "Now, you know, in a nutshell, the Tamils who went in the last 100 years who were taken by the Brits for rubber plantations." }, { "end_time": "14:13", "start_time": "14:11", "text": "There were Tamils who had been there from the Chola times." }, { "end_time": "14:15", "start_time": "14:13", "text": "You know, they were the old Tamils." }, { "end_time": "14:20", "start_time": "14:16", "text": "Nevertheless, they were treated as second class citizens and there had been resistance from time to time." }, { "end_time": "14:24", "start_time": "14:21", "text": "And at some stage, a whole bunch of these Tamil parties came up." }, { "end_time": "14:28", "start_time": "14:24", "text": "EPRLF, LTT, LOT, etcetera, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "14:35", "start_time": "14:30", "text": "Prahakkaran was the head of LTT, and he was the most aggressive, pugnacious by nature." }, { "end_time": "14:46", "start_time": "14:36", "text": "And at that stage, a whole bunch of these people under pressure of the genocide sort of genocide being committed by the Sri Lankan forces were coming into Tamil Nadu." }, { "end_time": "14:59", "start_time": "14:46", "text": "And there was a fear in Tamil Nadu that there could be a voice to carve out a separate eelam, including parts of Tamil Nadu and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "15:06", "start_time": "15:00", "text": "So and Tamil Nadu is a big state, and therefore, it was decided at some stage that the Indians have to intervene." }, { "end_time": "15:13", "start_time": "15:07", "text": "And instead of directly intervening, they decided to train the Tamils, arm the Tamils." }, { "end_time": "15:19", "start_time": "15:14", "text": "And a whole bunch of them turned up for training in camps spread across time in Laddu." }, { "end_time": "15:23", "start_time": "15:20", "text": "And one of them was at a place called Chakratha." }, { "end_time": "15:26", "start_time": "15:23", "text": "This is up in the hills next to Dehradun." }, { "end_time": "15:28", "start_time": "15:27", "text": "Really that far up?" }, { "end_time": "15:28", "start_time": "15:28", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "15:31", "start_time": "15:28", "text": "And this is the interesting part, and I say this in my book also." }, { "end_time": "15:34", "start_time": "15:31", "text": "The interesting part is my father was posted there." }, { "end_time": "15:37", "start_time": "15:35", "text": "And that was his last posting." }, { "end_time": "15:38", "start_time": "15:37", "text": "In Chakravath?" }, { "end_time": "15:39", "start_time": "15:38", "text": "In Chakravath." }, { "end_time": "15:40", "start_time": "15:39", "text": "If I can Sure." }, { "end_time": "15:41", "start_time": "15:40", "text": "Digress a little more." }, { "end_time": "15:43", "start_time": "15:41", "text": "Now, Chakravath has a base." }, { "end_time": "15:45", "start_time": "15:43", "text": "It's called establishment 22." }, { "end_time": "15:53", "start_time": "15:46", "text": "It was set up in 60 after the 62 war, funded by the, by the CIA to train Tibetan guerrillas." }, { "end_time": "16:02", "start_time": "15:54", "text": "These are people, who had migrated across the border and come into India, mostly Khams from Eastern Tibet." }, { "end_time": "16:04", "start_time": "16:02", "text": "So they would be trained." }, { "end_time": "16:05", "start_time": "16:04", "text": "It's a it's a it's a Kham." }, { "end_time": "16:10", "start_time": "16:05", "text": "It's a compass, you know, Eastern Tibet area, fighters basically." }, { "end_time": "16:23", "start_time": "16:11", "text": "So it was decided that the Americans would fund, the Indian Indian army would train them and, they would be sent back for sabotage, spying, etcetera, back into Tibet." }, { "end_time": "16:27", "start_time": "16:23", "text": "So it was a very harsh it still is a very secretive place." }, { "end_time": "16:29", "start_time": "16:27", "text": "They haven't developed chakratha." }, { "end_time": "16:32", "start_time": "16:29", "text": "It's at 7,000 feet, it's a nice hill station, but still a single road." }, { "end_time": "16:39", "start_time": "16:32", "text": "And it's not by design, it's by it's not by default, it's by design that the government doesn't allow anything to come up." }, { "end_time": "16:45", "start_time": "16:39", "text": "And from time to time, that school which was training Tibetans was used for training all sorts of unsavory characters in the subcontinent." }, { "end_time": "16:52", "start_time": "16:46", "text": "I, you know, Sindhis, Baluchis, whoever you needed to be trained could be sent there." }, { "end_time": "16:54", "start_time": "16:52", "text": "One corner tucked up in the hills." }, { "end_time": "16:58", "start_time": "16:55", "text": "And then at some stage, they started sending the Tamils." }, { "end_time": "17:03", "start_time": "16:58", "text": "And the the senior leadership of the LTT were trained there." }, { "end_time": "17:04", "start_time": "17:03", "text": "But who were the trainers?" }, { "end_time": "17:06", "start_time": "17:05", "text": "Indian army officers." }, { "end_time": "17:08", "start_time": "17:06", "text": "So this is an official Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:08", "start_time": "17:08", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "17:13", "start_time": "17:09", "text": "And the interesting is thing is, I was about to join the army and I'd come back from college." }, { "end_time": "17:15", "start_time": "17:14", "text": "And my father was posted there." }, { "end_time": "17:19", "start_time": "17:16", "text": "And I recall, every weekend because we were settling down in Dehradun." }, { "end_time": "17:20", "start_time": "17:19", "text": "It's a 2 hour run." }, { "end_time": "17:30", "start_time": "17:22", "text": "So every week, the the school, Tutu Establishment, the institute, would send the bus down to buy provisions at Dehradun, which is the nearest town." }, { "end_time": "17:34", "start_time": "17:30", "text": "So my father would come across every weekend to stay the weekend." }, { "end_time": "17:44", "start_time": "17:34", "text": "And I remember sitting there, and this bus drives up, curtains pulled, the driver wearing civilian clothes, you know, but you can see the mark of a soldier on him." }, { "end_time": "17:49", "start_time": "17:44", "text": "And my father steps out and behind him, there's a South Indian guy carrying his suitcase." }, { "end_time": "17:52", "start_time": "17:50", "text": "And this happened a couple of weekends." }, { "end_time": "17:53", "start_time": "17:52", "text": "And I asked him, I said, who's the South Indian?" }, { "end_time": "17:54", "start_time": "17:53", "text": "He touched my father's feet." }, { "end_time": "17:55", "start_time": "17:54", "text": "And I said, what is this?" }, { "end_time": "17:58", "start_time": "17:55", "text": "Oh, he's, you know, some canteen contractor, you know, just grateful." }, { "end_time": "18:01", "start_time": "18:00", "text": "And then he retired." }, { "end_time": "18:04", "start_time": "18:01", "text": "He settled down and, you know, I got into the army at some stage." }, { "end_time": "18:17", "start_time": "18:04", "text": "And then the India Today came out with some articles about the LTT and the problem in Sri Lanka, and they're being trained in Chakrata, and there was a picture of Prabhakaran standing there, cronies, you know, with the background of the hill." }, { "end_time": "18:18", "start_time": "18:17", "text": "And my brother is also there." }, { "end_time": "18:20", "start_time": "18:18", "text": "My brother looked at him and said, yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:20", "start_time": "18:20", "text": "I've seen this guy." }, { "end_time": "18:21", "start_time": "18:20", "text": "He is pointing at Prabhakaran." }, { "end_time": "18:22", "start_time": "18:22", "text": "So I hear, are you sure?" }, { "end_time": "18:24", "start_time": "18:22", "text": "Because they are writing about this guy now." }, { "end_time": "18:25", "start_time": "18:24", "text": "He is uncertain." }, { "end_time": "18:29", "start_time": "18:26", "text": "Now my brother claimed that Prabhakaran came there to the house." }, { "end_time": "18:30", "start_time": "18:29", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "18:36", "start_time": "18:30", "text": "But I certainly saw a whole bunch of these in, you know, in 18 88, 87." }, { "end_time": "18:39", "start_time": "18:36", "text": "You didn't see too many South Indians in Dehradun up north." }, { "end_time": "18:41", "start_time": "18:39", "text": "And you could see distinctly that they were different." }, { "end_time": "18:44", "start_time": "18:41", "text": "So now look at this." }, { "end_time": "18:51", "start_time": "18:44", "text": "The father trains them without realizing that the son will be facing his former students at some stage." }, { "end_time": "18:58", "start_time": "18:52", "text": "And when I came back from Sri Lanka, I remember he was a he was a very seasoned soldier." }, { "end_time": "19:00", "start_time": "18:58", "text": "I came back from Sri Lanka and I remember the first evening." }, { "end_time": "19:01", "start_time": "19:00", "text": "He didn't ask me anything." }, { "end_time": "19:09", "start_time": "19:01", "text": "The evening we sat down over a drink, and then he looked at me and he says, so what do you think of the boys?" }, { "end_time": "19:11", "start_time": "19:09", "text": "There's a bit of boys." }, { "end_time": "19:12", "start_time": "19:11", "text": "He's my boys." }, { "end_time": "19:15", "start_time": "19:13", "text": "I said, well, they were good." }, { "end_time": "19:17", "start_time": "19:15", "text": "We lost a lot of men and officers." }, { "end_time": "19:25", "start_time": "19:18", "text": "And I think I saw a little smile and a twinkle in the old colonel's eyes as he looked up, and then he raised a salute to the Tamil Tigers of Sri Lanka." }, { "end_time": "19:27", "start_time": "19:25", "text": "He says, serves you bastards right." }, { "end_time": "19:30", "start_time": "19:28", "text": "Bullying the boys, aren't you?" }, { "end_time": "19:32", "start_time": "19:31", "text": "He was very impressed with them." }, { "end_time": "19:35", "start_time": "19:32", "text": "He says, you know, some of them some of them didn't even know how to tie a shoelace." }, { "end_time": "19:39", "start_time": "19:36", "text": "And when we worked out an 8 hour program, training program, they said, no." }, { "end_time": "19:41", "start_time": "19:39", "text": "The senior leader came up and said, no." }, { "end_time": "19:43", "start_time": "19:41", "text": "Make it 13, make it 14." }, { "end_time": "19:45", "start_time": "19:43", "text": "That's the kind of motivation they had." }, { "end_time": "19:50", "start_time": "19:45", "text": "And then you unleash them, train them, arm them and unleash them on their own terrain." }, { "end_time": "19:52", "start_time": "19:51", "text": "They were deadly." }, { "end_time": "19:54", "start_time": "19:52", "text": "Now I understand what you meant by motivated." }, { "end_time": "19:55", "start_time": "19:54", "text": "So so that's one part." }, { "end_time": "20:01", "start_time": "19:55", "text": "The other part is that, you know, after they went back and they took on the Sri Lankan army." }, { "end_time": "20:06", "start_time": "20:02", "text": "And then at some stage, Jayavardhane and Rajiv Gandhi signed this accord." }, { "end_time": "20:14", "start_time": "20:07", "text": "It was supposed to be between 3 people, Prabhakaran, Jayavardhane, and, mister Gandhi." }, { "end_time": "20:19", "start_time": "20:14", "text": "Pravakran was hold up in Ashoka Hotel, I think, sort of a house arrest guest." }, { "end_time": "20:20", "start_time": "20:19", "text": "We were not consulted." }, { "end_time": "20:21", "start_time": "20:20", "text": "They went and signed up." }, { "end_time": "20:23", "start_time": "20:22", "text": "And, he was told, say to complete." }, { "end_time": "20:28", "start_time": "20:23", "text": "Here is the I got he said, I'm not even consulted, and I'm talking about an eelam, an independent state." }, { "end_time": "20:30", "start_time": "20:29", "text": "I'm not interested in all this nonsense." }, { "end_time": "20:32", "start_time": "20:31", "text": "I said, we don't care." }, { "end_time": "20:40", "start_time": "20:33", "text": "We're sending the Indian peacekeeping force to ensure because president Jayavadhani said, look, we can't enforce disarming." }, { "end_time": "20:41", "start_time": "20:40", "text": "We don't have the manpower." }, { "end_time": "20:45", "start_time": "20:42", "text": "So we got embroiled." }, { "end_time": "20:48", "start_time": "20:45", "text": "A whole bunch of us turned up there thinking it's going to be a peacekeeping mission." }, { "end_time": "20:51", "start_time": "20:48", "text": "The Sri Lankan army was sent back into their barracks." }, { "end_time": "20:52", "start_time": "20:51", "text": "We took over their post." }, { "end_time": "20:53", "start_time": "20:52", "text": "Which he owes us?" }, { "end_time": "20:54", "start_time": "20:53", "text": "It is 87." }, { "end_time": "21:00", "start_time": "20:56", "text": "I joined later, of course, but the unit had been committed for some time." }, { "end_time": "21:02", "start_time": "21:00", "text": "All 3 commando units were there." }, { "end_time": "21:07", "start_time": "21:02", "text": "And, till then the Sri Lankan the LTT used to come sit in the mess and stuff like that, chat around." }, { "end_time": "21:08", "start_time": "21:07", "text": "They've been trained." }, { "end_time": "21:10", "start_time": "21:08", "text": "Some of the instructors had trained them from DSF." }, { "end_time": "21:13", "start_time": "21:11", "text": "All one army there." }, { "end_time": "21:15", "start_time": "21:13", "text": "What do you mean they came and sat in the mess?" }, { "end_time": "21:16", "start_time": "21:15", "text": "Because we weren't taking them on." }, { "end_time": "21:23", "start_time": "21:16", "text": "You see, for some time, the the Indian Army, Maratha battalion, and a and a SF unit sitting at Palali Airfield." }, { "end_time": "21:29", "start_time": "21:25", "text": "We're just sitting and watching what is happening between the while the accord was being signed." }, { "end_time": "21:38", "start_time": "21:30", "text": "What what sparked it off was that, they captured 17 of these senior leaders, LTT leaders, the coast guard." }, { "end_time": "21:41", "start_time": "21:38", "text": "And at that stage, the accord had been signed." }, { "end_time": "21:44", "start_time": "21:42", "text": "So Jayavardena said hand them over to us, the Sri Lankan army." }, { "end_time": "21:46", "start_time": "21:44", "text": "The LTT said don't do it." }, { "end_time": "21:47", "start_time": "21:47", "text": "They'll be tortured." }, { "end_time": "21:48", "start_time": "21:47", "text": "They'll be killed." }, { "end_time": "21:55", "start_time": "21:49", "text": "But because the accord accord had been signed, it was decided to hand them over to the Sri Lankan army." }, { "end_time": "22:04", "start_time": "21:56", "text": "At that stage, they asked that a last meal be given to the boys, and they passed cyanide capsules inside." }, { "end_time": "22:08", "start_time": "22:04", "text": "And all 17 of them committed suicide, chewed on their cyanide capsules." }, { "end_time": "22:10", "start_time": "22:08", "text": "To prevent themselves from Oh, yes." }, { "end_time": "22:13", "start_time": "22:10", "text": "From getting taken over by the Sri Lankan army." }, { "end_time": "22:14", "start_time": "22:13", "text": "And that was the spark." }, { "end_time": "22:21", "start_time": "22:14", "text": "After that, the next I think it was a 10 Para without taking any names here." }, { "end_time": "22:25", "start_time": "22:21", "text": "It was one of their, Russian trucks which was going to Jaffna." }, { "end_time": "22:30", "start_time": "22:25", "text": "Got the boys out, burned them, put tires around their neck, and then it was free for all." }, { "end_time": "22:33", "start_time": "22:30", "text": "The enemy was Sri Lanka and the LTT then." }, { "end_time": "22:38", "start_time": "22:33", "text": "They attacked Indian special forces and the infantry unit there." }, { "end_time": "22:40", "start_time": "22:38", "text": "And then the force started building in." }, { "end_time": "22:41", "start_time": "22:40", "text": "Because by then, it was alright." }, { "end_time": "22:48", "start_time": "22:41", "text": "If you're not going to listen to us and disarm and your your intent is clear, you're hostile." }, { "end_time": "22:50", "start_time": "22:49", "text": "Then we're going in." }, { "end_time": "22:56", "start_time": "22:50", "text": "So then they started building in troop movement, and then they realized they needed more troops and more troops." }, { "end_time": "23:02", "start_time": "22:57", "text": "And once we've taken over the the urban centers, the LTD promptly disappeared into the jungle." }, { "end_time": "23:04", "start_time": "23:03", "text": "Then it became jungle fighting." }, { "end_time": "23:09", "start_time": "23:05", "text": "So most of my experience in Sri Lanka is just sitting in bloody ambush." }, { "end_time": "23:11", "start_time": "23:10", "text": "You mean in in a jungle?" }, { "end_time": "23:12", "start_time": "23:11", "text": "In a jungle." }, { "end_time": "23:15", "start_time": "23:13", "text": "It was it was terrible." }, { "end_time": "23:18", "start_time": "23:16", "text": "72 hours, 96 hours, no bloody water." }, { "end_time": "23:20", "start_time": "23:19", "text": "You're just sitting there." }, { "end_time": "23:23", "start_time": "23:20", "text": "Some track coming in, going out, enough bloody, thick jungle." }, { "end_time": "23:27", "start_time": "23:24", "text": "And you would go in at night, sit there, and just sit there." }, { "end_time": "23:36", "start_time": "23:27", "text": "So you guys would just wait for 72 hours continuously in the jungle and observe if there's any kind of movement or any kind of disturbance." }, { "end_time": "23:38", "start_time": "23:37", "text": "And It was an ambush." }, { "end_time": "23:38", "start_time": "23:38", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "23:40", "start_time": "23:38", "text": "It was an ambush operation." }, { "end_time": "23:52", "start_time": "23:41", "text": "For someone who doesn't understand that word, how do you Well, you can see yourself on some intelligence or at random because you feel there's movement, hostile movement Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "23:53", "start_time": "23:52", "text": "On a track." }, { "end_time": "23:54", "start_time": "23:53", "text": "On a track." }, { "end_time": "23:55", "start_time": "23:54", "text": "Track." }, { "end_time": "23:56", "start_time": "23:55", "text": "You mean like a road in the jungle?" }, { "end_time": "23:57", "start_time": "23:56", "text": "Well, yes." }, { "end_time": "24:01", "start_time": "23:57", "text": "And then you hope that the guy comes along so you can hit him." }, { "end_time": "24:02", "start_time": "24:01", "text": "And there's the danger of wild animals." }, { "end_time": "24:03", "start_time": "24:03", "text": "Oh, yes." }, { "end_time": "24:03", "start_time": "24:03", "text": "Certainly." }, { "end_time": "24:04", "start_time": "24:03", "text": "I ran 2 of you." }, { "end_time": "24:05", "start_time": "24:04", "text": "Really?" }, { "end_time": "24:05", "start_time": "24:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:05", "start_time": "24:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:14", "start_time": "24:05", "text": "Well, I know I remember there was a Jart, battalion, and and an elephant picked up the last guy and carried him in the bloody jungle and killed him." }, { "end_time": "24:15", "start_time": "24:14", "text": "And then, oh, no." }, { "end_time": "24:16", "start_time": "24:15", "text": "That swimmed down." }, { "end_time": "24:18", "start_time": "24:16", "text": "He was a little shaken, but he survived." }, { "end_time": "24:24", "start_time": "24:18", "text": "I laid an ambush, I remember, and, I think it was a 72 hour ambush." }, { "end_time": "24:28", "start_time": "24:25", "text": "And, the LMG guy suddenly nudged me." }, { "end_time": "24:29", "start_time": "24:28", "text": "I was right next to him." }, { "end_time": "24:30", "start_time": "24:29", "text": "You're covering a track." }, { "end_time": "24:33", "start_time": "24:30", "text": "He nudged me and then did this." }, { "end_time": "24:38", "start_time": "24:33", "text": "And in that starlight, you know, through the foliage, I couldn't make out what he's showing." }, { "end_time": "24:40", "start_time": "24:38", "text": "And then I saw some movement." }, { "end_time": "24:46", "start_time": "24:40", "text": "You know, I'd see that I could see the foresight of the LMG, and I'd see something rise and fall and rise and fall." }, { "end_time": "24:49", "start_time": "24:47", "text": "And then it's it was a wild boar." }, { "end_time": "24:51", "start_time": "24:49", "text": "The guy was I don't know." }, { "end_time": "24:53", "start_time": "24:51", "text": "Maybe he was, like, drunk on some fruit or something." }, { "end_time": "24:58", "start_time": "24:53", "text": "He just walked up, sat himself, leaned against the LMG barrel, went off to sleep." }, { "end_time": "25:05", "start_time": "24:58", "text": "And here are the 20 hard SF men, you know, shitting bricks." }, { "end_time": "25:09", "start_time": "25:05", "text": "If this guy wakes up and he's a Tusca, he wakes up and he charges, that's the end of your ambush and that's the end." }, { "end_time": "25:11", "start_time": "25:09", "text": "What do you do with a Tusca sitting there?" }, { "end_time": "25:15", "start_time": "25:13", "text": "And then he got up, shook himself, disappeared." }, { "end_time": "25:17", "start_time": "25:16", "text": "And I felt very happy." }, { "end_time": "25:28", "start_time": "25:17", "text": "I said, if if this guy doesn't know me sitting here, that means, you know because it takes time for the jungle smell to start coming." }, { "end_time": "25:29", "start_time": "25:28", "text": "What is that?" }, { "end_time": "25:31", "start_time": "25:29", "text": "So so so, you know, you go." }, { "end_time": "25:32", "start_time": "25:31", "text": "People often land up in ambushes." }, { "end_time": "25:41", "start_time": "25:35", "text": "You can't go wearing a aftershave, hair oil, talcum powder, and all sorts of that kind." }, { "end_time": "25:49", "start_time": "25:41", "text": "So it takes, takes some time before, generally 24 to 36 hours, before you start smelling like the jungle, which is essential." }, { "end_time": "25:57", "start_time": "25:51", "text": "Because, you know, people people who you are after, the opposition, the opposition is only living wild." }, { "end_time": "26:00", "start_time": "25:57", "text": "Their sense or smell is very keen." }, { "end_time": "26:06", "start_time": "26:02", "text": "The guy who's, who's coming down that track, he can smell anything." }, { "end_time": "26:12", "start_time": "26:08", "text": "So you gotta be very careful that you are not using any artificial smell." }, { "end_time": "26:17", "start_time": "26:13", "text": "Which is why you said that Sri Lanka was the most challenging because even those guys were as Oh, they were very aggressive." }, { "end_time": "26:22", "start_time": "26:18", "text": "They were their training films were some of these, these Hollywood movies." }, { "end_time": "26:23", "start_time": "26:22", "text": "Really?" }, { "end_time": "26:25", "start_time": "26:24", "text": "They were aggressive." }, { "end_time": "26:28", "start_time": "26:25", "text": "I mean, some of their operations share madness." }, { "end_time": "26:30", "start_time": "26:29", "text": "What kind of weapons did they use?" }, { "end_time": "26:31", "start_time": "26:30", "text": "They had AKs." }, { "end_time": "26:33", "start_time": "26:31", "text": "They had better weapons in the Indian Army." }, { "end_time": "26:33", "start_time": "26:33", "text": "How?" }, { "end_time": "26:37", "start_time": "26:34", "text": "Well, most of them were supplied by us, then they got into their own procurement." }, { "end_time": "26:38", "start_time": "26:38", "text": "How?" }, { "end_time": "26:40", "start_time": "26:39", "text": "Well, they had money." }, { "end_time": "26:47", "start_time": "26:40", "text": "The entire the entire Sri Lankan diaspora across the world was was giving them money." }, { "end_time": "26:48", "start_time": "26:47", "text": "The funding was being collected." }, { "end_time": "26:50", "start_time": "26:49", "text": "So I came back on leave." }, { "end_time": "26:52", "start_time": "26:50", "text": "This is a strange thing." }, { "end_time": "26:56", "start_time": "26:52", "text": "Is that is that the narrative or could it have been geopolitical powers at play funding it?" }, { "end_time": "26:56", "start_time": "26:56", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "26:56", "start_time": "26:56", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "26:57", "start_time": "26:56", "text": "This this funding was happening." }, { "end_time": "26:58", "start_time": "26:57", "text": "Their own people were funding them." }, { "end_time": "27:00", "start_time": "26:58", "text": "People settled in Sweden, Norway, England." }, { "end_time": "27:02", "start_time": "27:01", "text": "Forget that." }, { "end_time": "27:03", "start_time": "27:02", "text": "I came on leave." }, { "end_time": "27:06", "start_time": "27:03", "text": "And I remember at the, Madras then Madras, now Chennai." }, { "end_time": "27:11", "start_time": "27:06", "text": "Chennai railway station, I had a bunch of these, college guys asking me for donations." }, { "end_time": "27:12", "start_time": "27:11", "text": "So I said, for what?" }, { "end_time": "27:13", "start_time": "27:12", "text": "It's for the LTT." }, { "end_time": "27:18", "start_time": "27:14", "text": "And my first desire was to punch him in the face." }, { "end_time": "27:19", "start_time": "27:18", "text": "And I said, I survived Sri Lanka." }, { "end_time": "27:22", "start_time": "27:19", "text": "I get lynched by the locals in my own country." }, { "end_time": "27:24", "start_time": "27:23", "text": "So they were collecting." }, { "end_time": "27:25", "start_time": "27:24", "text": "They had enough money." }, { "end_time": "27:31", "start_time": "27:25", "text": "They had their own ships, which were, which were getting all the arms equip equipment." }, { "end_time": "27:40", "start_time": "27:31", "text": "Was there a weapon that the LTT had or that you had ever faced in a combat situation which you were kind of wary of in terms of either a dangerous weapon to take on or just No." }, { "end_time": "27:41", "start_time": "27:40", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "27:42", "start_time": "27:41", "text": "The IEDs were terrible." }, { "end_time": "27:43", "start_time": "27:43", "text": "What what?" }, { "end_time": "27:48", "start_time": "27:44", "text": "The improvised explosive devices, the IEDs, they were deadly." }, { "end_time": "27:57", "start_time": "27:48", "text": "Bulk of our casualties were because of their very innovative and imaginative way of using their, explosives." }, { "end_time": "27:59", "start_time": "27:58", "text": "Could you give an example?" }, { "end_time": "28:00", "start_time": "27:59", "text": "Oh, I can give an example." }, { "end_time": "28:03", "start_time": "28:00", "text": "There used to be a road opening party, which used to go, for example." }, { "end_time": "28:11", "start_time": "28:04", "text": "And, after clearing the road, they would, sit under one tree and have a cup of tea." }, { "end_time": "28:15", "start_time": "28:12", "text": "So they laid IEDs in a series like this." }, { "end_time": "28:20", "start_time": "28:16", "text": "I think they got about 12 or 15 people in that." }, { "end_time": "28:26", "start_time": "28:21", "text": "I lost a friend, because they posted they had posters stuck on the balls." }, { "end_time": "28:27", "start_time": "28:26", "text": "LTT posters." }, { "end_time": "28:32", "start_time": "28:28", "text": "Then you, short enough, the Indian Army is going to come, start taking them off." }, { "end_time": "28:34", "start_time": "28:32", "text": "One of them had a little explosive behind it." }, { "end_time": "28:36", "start_time": "28:35", "text": "It blew up." }, { "end_time": "28:38", "start_time": "28:36", "text": "Why is it There has to be a Johnny mind that I remember to take your leg off." }, { "end_time": "28:39", "start_time": "28:38", "text": "It was a plastic thing." }, { "end_time": "28:41", "start_time": "28:39", "text": "You couldn't even detect it." }, { "end_time": "28:44", "start_time": "28:41", "text": "Made by made in a soap soap box." }, { "end_time": "28:44", "start_time": "28:44", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "28:48", "start_time": "28:45", "text": "Why is it called improvised explosive device?" }, { "end_time": "28:49", "start_time": "28:48", "text": "Because you improvise it." }, { "end_time": "28:51", "start_time": "28:49", "text": "Just through scrap material to put it together." }, { "end_time": "28:52", "start_time": "28:51", "text": "What causes the explosion?" }, { "end_time": "28:54", "start_time": "28:52", "text": "Like some mixture of chemicals." }, { "end_time": "28:54", "start_time": "28:54", "text": "Chemical." }, { "end_time": "28:54", "start_time": "28:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:56", "start_time": "28:54", "text": "Potassium, citrate, or whatever." }, { "end_time": "28:56", "start_time": "28:56", "text": "It's simple." }, { "end_time": "29:02", "start_time": "28:57", "text": "It and then you stuff it up with, with nails, with bolts, whatever you have." }, { "end_time": "29:04", "start_time": "29:03", "text": "Takes your leg off." }, { "end_time": "29:04", "start_time": "29:04", "text": "That's good enough." }, { "end_time": "29:06", "start_time": "29:04", "text": "Have you been injured in combat?" }, { "end_time": "29:06", "start_time": "29:06", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "29:07", "start_time": "29:06", "text": "I haven't been luckily." }, { "end_time": "29:08", "start_time": "29:07", "text": "Have you come close to getting injured?" }, { "end_time": "29:10", "start_time": "29:09", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "29:11", "start_time": "29:10", "text": "Nobody wants to get shot." }, { "end_time": "29:16", "start_time": "29:11", "text": "Nobody goes into combat thinking you're gonna get shot, but, you know, I've had people getting shot close to me." }, { "end_time": "29:16", "start_time": "29:16", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "29:23", "start_time": "29:16", "text": "And as an SF teammate, if I can call you that, is your protocol to go and be the medic in that situation as well?" }, { "end_time": "29:25", "start_time": "29:23", "text": "If if there is no medic, yes." }, { "end_time": "29:26", "start_time": "29:26", "text": "And Certainly." }, { "end_time": "29:37", "start_time": "29:26", "text": "What I understand is in the SF uniform, you'll have a bunch of, like, pockets and different pockets have, like, different tools of which one pocket is just your Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:39", "start_time": "29:37", "text": "You carry your field dressing." }, { "end_time": "29:40", "start_time": "29:40", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "29:42", "start_time": "29:40", "text": "So that also includes a morphine injection." }, { "end_time": "29:44", "start_time": "29:43", "text": "Well, not not in my time." }, { "end_time": "29:49", "start_time": "29:44", "text": "I don't know if they still have a morphine injection, but the morphine injection would ideally be carried by the nursing assistant." }, { "end_time": "29:50", "start_time": "29:49", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "29:55", "start_time": "29:50", "text": "But But SF units, they they lay a lot of emphasis on medical training." }, { "end_time": "30:05", "start_time": "29:55", "text": "So a troop going out would ideally have a trained medic, and then the rest of the guys would have rudimentary idea of how gunshot wound has to be addressed." }, { "end_time": "30:06", "start_time": "30:05", "text": "Have you addressed a gunshot wound?" }, { "end_time": "30:09", "start_time": "30:07", "text": "I have addressed a gunshot wound." }, { "end_time": "30:09", "start_time": "30:09", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "30:15", "start_time": "30:10", "text": "What's your mindset seeing a brother, like, in pain plus having to go about your Why?" }, { "end_time": "30:30", "start_time": "30:15", "text": "You know, it it, I was I ran into an ambush in J and K at about 7,000 feet up in our forest And, it was a nasty situation because, there were 2 civilians killed." }, { "end_time": "30:33", "start_time": "30:32", "text": "1 civilian seriously wounded." }, { "end_time": "30:40", "start_time": "30:34", "text": "They were they were cutting wood 5 in the morning, and it was not a disturbed area." }, { "end_time": "30:45", "start_time": "30:40", "text": "It still is not a disturbed area and never was entire Pir Panjal, Badarva and this area." }, { "end_time": "30:51", "start_time": "30:46", "text": "And, I had my lead scout who was a paratrooper, young boy." }, { "end_time": "30:58", "start_time": "30:53", "text": "He had a bullet through his it hit his AK, which had a butt." }, { "end_time": "31:03", "start_time": "30:58", "text": "He crocheted and went through his forearm here and another round went through his stomach." }, { "end_time": "31:13", "start_time": "31:04", "text": "And then we had to carry him down from 8,000 feet to the road head on your back after it had rained and he was in pain." }, { "end_time": "31:16", "start_time": "31:13", "text": "He was sleeping off and trying to keep him awake." }, { "end_time": "31:19", "start_time": "31:17", "text": "And, and we had nothing actually." }, { "end_time": "31:21", "start_time": "31:21", "text": "We had nothing." }, { "end_time": "31:27", "start_time": "31:22", "text": "We used to carry sanitary napkins for gunshot wound issues." }, { "end_time": "31:32", "start_time": "31:28", "text": "This is, you know, I'm talking the old old soldiering." }, { "end_time": "31:35", "start_time": "31:33", "text": "This is the time when they were raising our our units." }, { "end_time": "31:36", "start_time": "31:35", "text": "A shortage of equipment." }, { "end_time": "31:44", "start_time": "31:39", "text": "And they were pulling in resources, cannibalizing the other infantry units." }, { "end_time": "31:47", "start_time": "31:45", "text": "We didn't have any medical thing." }, { "end_time": "31:50", "start_time": "31:47", "text": "Somebody had a pain killer I think we gave it to him." }, { "end_time": "31:51", "start_time": "31:50", "text": "We got him done." }, { "end_time": "31:51", "start_time": "31:51", "text": "We got a chopper." }, { "end_time": "31:52", "start_time": "31:51", "text": "We got him out." }, { "end_time": "31:55", "start_time": "31:52", "text": "But he died 20 days later in the hospital." }, { "end_time": "31:56", "start_time": "31:55", "text": "Negligence." }, { "end_time": "31:57", "start_time": "31:56", "text": "I'm I'm certain about it." }, { "end_time": "31:59", "start_time": "31:57", "text": "Because I met him in the hospital." }, { "end_time": "31:59", "start_time": "31:59", "text": "He was fine." }, { "end_time": "32:02", "start_time": "32:00", "text": "And then suddenly I get a message to say he's dead." }, { "end_time": "32:04", "start_time": "32:02", "text": "Negligence from medical staff." }, { "end_time": "32:05", "start_time": "32:04", "text": "I'm sure." }, { "end_time": "32:06", "start_time": "32:05", "text": "Your stitches opened up." }, { "end_time": "32:08", "start_time": "32:06", "text": "He bled to death." }, { "end_time": "32:16", "start_time": "32:08", "text": "What goes on in your how do you keep your control as a soldier when you're seeing, like, a teammate be that hit?" }, { "end_time": "32:20", "start_time": "32:16", "text": "Is there a certain amount of emotional, training that kicks in?" }, { "end_time": "32:21", "start_time": "32:20", "text": "Certainly." }, { "end_time": "32:25", "start_time": "32:22", "text": "Certainly, it depends on see every situation, Manvi, is gonna be different." }, { "end_time": "32:27", "start_time": "32:26", "text": "You get a chap who's hit." }, { "end_time": "32:30", "start_time": "32:27", "text": "There's still a life contact on." }, { "end_time": "32:31", "start_time": "32:30", "text": "Can you reach him?" }, { "end_time": "32:36", "start_time": "32:32", "text": "Can you in my case, we do share bad luck." }, { "end_time": "32:46", "start_time": "32:36", "text": "I mean, these guys came up from the other side of the hill, spotted us, opened up, and then they they just disappeared." }, { "end_time": "32:49", "start_time": "32:46", "text": "So I had all the time to address my casualty." }, { "end_time": "32:52", "start_time": "32:49", "text": "But, you know, every combat situation is different." }, { "end_time": "32:55", "start_time": "32:52", "text": "As I said, sometimes you may not get the chance to address it." }, { "end_time": "33:03", "start_time": "32:55", "text": "But it certainly takes a lot of your attention away from the fight to addressing this guy who's been wounded." }, { "end_time": "33:07", "start_time": "33:03", "text": "That is why, you know, they they've started playing around with, the caliber of the weapon." }, { "end_time": "33:11", "start_time": "33:08", "text": "They used to use a 7.62, which is powerful." }, { "end_time": "33:12", "start_time": "33:11", "text": "What does that mean for them?" }, { "end_time": "33:14", "start_time": "33:12", "text": "It means you'd rather wound a chap." }, { "end_time": "33:31", "start_time": "33:16", "text": "In a conventional war, you'd rather wound a chap because if you wound him and you have a chap in the battlefield screaming, shouting, if a) he's demoralizing the rest of the people, b) you need another 4 guys to pull him, take him back right till the base." }, { "end_time": "33:34", "start_time": "33:32", "text": "Why would you kill a man?" }, { "end_time": "33:35", "start_time": "33:34", "text": "Because it's simple then." }, { "end_time": "33:36", "start_time": "33:35", "text": "It's done and dusted and over." }, { "end_time": "33:38", "start_time": "33:36", "text": "It's psychological warfare." }, { "end_time": "33:38", "start_time": "33:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:51", "start_time": "33:38", "text": "Psychological plus the the the issue of of making sure that the the guy has to be pulled back, carried, medically treated, etcetera, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "33:56", "start_time": "33:51", "text": "So then you have a 5.56, you know, which would probably injure you, which is a smaller caliber." }, { "end_time": "33:57", "start_time": "33:56", "text": "A shorter bullet." }, { "end_time": "33:58", "start_time": "33:57", "text": "Shorter bullet." }, { "end_time": "34:00", "start_time": "33:58", "text": "Less a powder in it, so to say." }, { "end_time": "34:09", "start_time": "34:01", "text": "So it's it's it's it's worse to have a situation where you have a couple of people wounded and screaming and shouting or whatever is happening." }, { "end_time": "34:11", "start_time": "34:10", "text": "Dead is dead." }, { "end_time": "34:12", "start_time": "34:11", "text": "Party's over." }, { "end_time": "34:28", "start_time": "34:13", "text": "So, the one thing I've realized, and it's really sad, but the one thing I've realized about urban centers is that urban youth don't have too much of a perspective on the Indian special forces, but they have perspective on Navy Seals, on American marines, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "34:32", "start_time": "34:29", "text": "And when you start telling them about Indian special forces, they're blown away." }, { "end_time": "34:35", "start_time": "34:33", "text": "But to explain it to them, I have to talk to them in their language." }, { "end_time": "34:46", "start_time": "34:35", "text": "I have a lot of bros for whom when I was trying to explain what Parasitev is for the first time, I said that, you know, you've played those video games where you have to single handedly go and take out an entire camp of enemies." }, { "end_time": "34:48", "start_time": "34:46", "text": "Special forces does that, but in real life." }, { "end_time": "34:50", "start_time": "34:48", "text": "Is that a fair explanation?" }, { "end_time": "34:50", "start_time": "34:50", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "34:50", "start_time": "34:50", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "34:51", "start_time": "34:50", "text": "It is." }, { "end_time": "34:52", "start_time": "34:51", "text": "I mean, this is the power of Hollywood." }, { "end_time": "34:55", "start_time": "34:52", "text": "This is the power of the American, culture." }, { "end_time": "35:00", "start_time": "34:55", "text": "This is what the the the Arab world says about the American culture." }, { "end_time": "35:06", "start_time": "35:00", "text": "First comes your television with all the Hollywood movies, then comes McDonald, you know?" }, { "end_time": "35:10", "start_time": "35:07", "text": "And that is how they start changing your your culture." }, { "end_time": "35:19", "start_time": "35:10", "text": "And, so the fact is that my own son, is impressed with all these SealSTEAM movies and big brawny guys." }, { "end_time": "35:25", "start_time": "35:21", "text": "I don't think so he has any idea about, what the Indian Special Forces is about." }, { "end_time": "35:33", "start_time": "35:26", "text": "It's all about the American smart uniforms, big guys, And and And Trump are flying all over the place." }, { "end_time": "35:36", "start_time": "35:34", "text": "That's a different it's a different ballgame." }, { "end_time": "35:41", "start_time": "35:36", "text": "I mean, after all these special forces conversations, I can't imagine growing up with a special forces veteran in my house." }, { "end_time": "35:42", "start_time": "35:42", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "35:43", "start_time": "35:42", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "35:44", "start_time": "35:43", "text": "He he's a cool guy." }, { "end_time": "35:45", "start_time": "35:44", "text": "He's a cool guy." }, { "end_time": "35:49", "start_time": "35:45", "text": "You know, whenever I pitch into him, he says, and it's a great saying." }, { "end_time": "35:57", "start_time": "35:49", "text": "He says, father, don't forget, youth today is wasted on the young." }, { "end_time": "35:59", "start_time": "35:58", "text": "Very nice thing." }, { "end_time": "36:06", "start_time": "35:59", "text": "When I tell him you don't do this, your bloody generation not doing anything, constantly mobile, push your limits, exercises." }, { "end_time": "36:09", "start_time": "36:07", "text": "Youth today is wasted on the young." }, { "end_time": "36:09", "start_time": "36:09", "text": "I accept it." }, { "end_time": "36:10", "start_time": "36:09", "text": "Thank you very much." }, { "end_time": "36:11", "start_time": "36:10", "text": "He's not taking the challenge." }, { "end_time": "36:15", "start_time": "36:11", "text": "He very comfortably accepts the fact that we are a soft bunch of people." }, { "end_time": "36:16", "start_time": "36:15", "text": "So thank you very much." }, { "end_time": "36:17", "start_time": "36:16", "text": "I see you." }, { "end_time": "36:17", "start_time": "36:17", "text": "Fine." }, { "end_time": "36:17", "start_time": "36:17", "text": "Alright." }, { "end_time": "36:22", "start_time": "36:18", "text": "I hear you and I also agree that we are all softies to a very large degree." }, { "end_time": "36:38", "start_time": "36:22", "text": "And probably this podcast is a means to still experience a version, like a very visual version of what you have experienced through conversations, and that's what it's been for me as a as an artist." }, { "end_time": "36:41", "start_time": "36:38", "text": "I get to live some perspective from other people's list." }, { "end_time": "36:46", "start_time": "36:41", "text": "And I'm not even saying I've lived, like, 1% of the kind of intensity you've lived, but at least I get a trailer." }, { "end_time": "36:49", "start_time": "36:47", "text": "And I'm hoping that that's what the listeners get as well." }, { "end_time": "36:57", "start_time": "36:50", "text": "In saying that, let's make the podcast a little lighter as well because there are lighter aspects to serving in the special forces, sir." }, { "end_time": "37:02", "start_time": "36:57", "text": "As far as I understand, special forces are trained in land, air, and water." }, { "end_time": "37:12", "start_time": "37:03", "text": "In terms of jumps from aircrafts, you know, long distance I don't wanna call it trekking." }, { "end_time": "37:16", "start_time": "37:12", "text": "What is the official word you would use?" }, { "end_time": "37:18", "start_time": "37:16", "text": "Reconnaissance or penetration, deep penetration." }, { "end_time": "37:19", "start_time": "37:18", "text": "In land." }, { "end_time": "37:22", "start_time": "37:19", "text": "And then diving as well." }, { "end_time": "37:26", "start_time": "37:23", "text": "Had you done a lot of dives as well throughout your tenure?" }, { "end_time": "37:29", "start_time": "37:26", "text": "So you had a primary skill and a secondary skill, each of us." }, { "end_time": "37:30", "start_time": "37:29", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "37:32", "start_time": "37:30", "text": "So my primary skill is, combat diver." }, { "end_time": "37:33", "start_time": "37:33", "text": "Really?" }, { "end_time": "37:34", "start_time": "37:34", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "37:38", "start_time": "37:35", "text": "And everybody had to be a paratrooper, so you had to do that." }, { "end_time": "37:40", "start_time": "37:38", "text": "By by paratrooper, you mean jumps?" }, { "end_time": "37:41", "start_time": "37:40", "text": "Normal jumps." }, { "end_time": "37:42", "start_time": "37:41", "text": "Static line jumps as they say." }, { "end_time": "37:43", "start_time": "37:42", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "37:44", "start_time": "37:43", "text": "Round canopy jumps." }, { "end_time": "37:45", "start_time": "37:44", "text": "Everybody has to do that." }, { "end_time": "37:50", "start_time": "37:45", "text": "Then there's a specialization which is which is called now skydiving outside." }, { "end_time": "37:52", "start_time": "37:50", "text": "We call it combat free fall." }, { "end_time": "37:52", "start_time": "37:52", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "37:54", "start_time": "37:52", "text": "So that could be one scale." }, { "end_time": "37:56", "start_time": "37:54", "text": "Mountaineering could be another scale." }, { "end_time": "38:01", "start_time": "37:57", "text": "You know, then you had sniper skills, demolition, etcetera, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "38:05", "start_time": "38:01", "text": "But your primary skill one of the primary skills that I had was combat diving." }, { "end_time": "38:08", "start_time": "38:05", "text": "Because it came to you naturally as compared to other people." }, { "end_time": "38:11", "start_time": "38:08", "text": "Well, you know, I volunteered for free fall." }, { "end_time": "38:12", "start_time": "38:11", "text": "They had no vacancy then." }, { "end_time": "38:13", "start_time": "38:12", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "38:16", "start_time": "38:13", "text": "So they said there's a vacancy for combat, diving." }, { "end_time": "38:17", "start_time": "38:16", "text": "And it's a very tough course." }, { "end_time": "38:19", "start_time": "38:17", "text": "The navy runs it for us." }, { "end_time": "38:21", "start_time": "38:19", "text": "It's a very tough course and they play merry hell with you." }, { "end_time": "38:23", "start_time": "38:22", "text": "So I said alright." }, { "end_time": "38:24", "start_time": "38:23", "text": "So I went for that." }, { "end_time": "38:25", "start_time": "38:24", "text": "So I became a diver." }, { "end_time": "38:33", "start_time": "38:25", "text": "When when we say combat diving, it's operations like detonating underwater explosives or placing an explosive on." }, { "end_time": "38:45", "start_time": "38:34", "text": "Let me let me simple would be, for any operations happening on the coastline, the marine commandos would probably go in." }, { "end_time": "38:53", "start_time": "38:45", "text": "For any waterborne operation inland, the Indian special forces, these special force units would be deployed." }, { "end_time": "38:57", "start_time": "38:53", "text": "But by and large, what they train you to do is to use it as a mode of infiltration." }, { "end_time": "39:02", "start_time": "38:58", "text": "If you have to move from point a to point b, a couple of ways that you can do it." }, { "end_time": "39:03", "start_time": "39:02", "text": "A, you can walk it." }, { "end_time": "39:14", "start_time": "39:04", "text": "B, you can jump at 24,000, 25,000, 20,000, 18,000, you know, depending on wind conditions, etcetera, at night with weight and then glide in." }, { "end_time": "39:16", "start_time": "39:14", "text": "So this is called combat free fall." }, { "end_time": "39:17", "start_time": "39:16", "text": "What if there's a water body?" }, { "end_time": "39:19", "start_time": "39:17", "text": "Then you get inside and you start swimming." }, { "end_time": "39:20", "start_time": "39:19", "text": "It's horsework." }, { "end_time": "39:24", "start_time": "39:22", "text": "You have a compass direction and you swim." }, { "end_time": "39:32", "start_time": "39:24", "text": "So the whole objective is that, you are using it as a mode of infiltration to move from point a to point b." }, { "end_time": "39:32", "start_time": "39:32", "text": "Quietly." }, { "end_time": "39:35", "start_time": "39:33", "text": "Sun has to be quietly." }, { "end_time": "39:36", "start_time": "39:35", "text": "That's why it's a closed circuit set." }, { "end_time": "39:38", "start_time": "39:37", "text": "Have you dived?" }, { "end_time": "39:39", "start_time": "39:38", "text": "Yes, sir." }, { "end_time": "39:40", "start_time": "39:39", "text": "So you blow out those bubbles." }, { "end_time": "39:42", "start_time": "39:41", "text": "That's an open set." }, { "end_time": "39:44", "start_time": "39:43", "text": "Military diving is different." }, { "end_time": "39:47", "start_time": "39:44", "text": "It's a pure oxygen set and it's a closed circuit set." }, { "end_time": "39:49", "start_time": "39:47", "text": "There are no bubbles going up." }, { "end_time": "39:49", "start_time": "39:49", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "39:53", "start_time": "39:49", "text": "And you can't go below 7 meters because pure oxygen gets poisonous." }, { "end_time": "39:59", "start_time": "39:54", "text": "So you just dip under the surface, get your compass direction, and start swimming." }, { "end_time": "40:05", "start_time": "39:59", "text": "I wanna talk a lot more about your military career, but just for now, I'm gonna ask you something about your career post the military." }, { "end_time": "40:08", "start_time": "40:06", "text": "You're working at a bank at the No." }, { "end_time": "40:08", "start_time": "40:08", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "40:09", "start_time": "40:08", "text": "I'm not working anymore." }, { "end_time": "40:10", "start_time": "40:09", "text": "I'm a gentleman at large." }, { "end_time": "40:11", "start_time": "40:10", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "40:15", "start_time": "40:11", "text": "I wish I could say that I have estates to live off, but I don't." }, { "end_time": "40:16", "start_time": "40:15", "text": "But I have retired." }, { "end_time": "40:33", "start_time": "40:17", "text": "After having done these things in life in terms of being in those kind of combat situations, being a medic in certain situations, pulling bodies out of reverse, You're sitting in a bank, and I'm sure, you know, you're applying your special forces skill set there also and growing." }, { "end_time": "40:37", "start_time": "40:34", "text": "Do you think do you go back to all these memories?" }, { "end_time": "40:37", "start_time": "40:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "40:37", "start_time": "40:37", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "40:39", "start_time": "40:37", "text": "From time to time, ma'am, they fade." }, { "end_time": "40:44", "start_time": "40:39", "text": "You grow old, but you're a soul killing job." }, { "end_time": "40:54", "start_time": "40:44", "text": "There's nothing sitting in a you packed in more excitement in a day than you perhaps back in in 20 years of work outside." }, { "end_time": "40:55", "start_time": "40:55", "text": "There's no excitement." }, { "end_time": "40:56", "start_time": "40:55", "text": "There's nothing." }, { "end_time": "40:57", "start_time": "40:56", "text": "It's just a job." }, { "end_time": "40:58", "start_time": "40:57", "text": "What do you make of civilian reality?" }, { "end_time": "41:08", "start_time": "40:59", "text": "You know, when when you're sitting with all your coworkers at the bank and someone's crying about the kid up at school or whatever, and you're just like, oh, that's what you're crying about." }, { "end_time": "41:08", "start_time": "41:08", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "41:09", "start_time": "41:08", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "41:24", "start_time": "41:09", "text": "So, you know, not really the problem was problem was, that in of all the teachings and learnings that you got from these special forces, one of them was that you don't panic very easily now." }, { "end_time": "41:28", "start_time": "41:25", "text": "After the situation that you've seen, you don't panic." }, { "end_time": "41:38", "start_time": "41:29", "text": "And I had to pinch myself on occasions when there is some serious stuff has happened by civilian standards." }, { "end_time": "41:44", "start_time": "41:40", "text": "And everybody's gathered there and everybody's flapping like headless chicken." }, { "end_time": "41:49", "start_time": "41:46", "text": "And and you're thinking, what the fuck, man?" }, { "end_time": "41:50", "start_time": "41:50", "text": "Where's the problem?" }, { "end_time": "41:57", "start_time": "41:51", "text": "And I remember the HR head to one stand to me and, you know, looked at me and I could see that this guy's he said, you're not taking it seriously, I think." }, { "end_time": "42:02", "start_time": "41:57", "text": "And I thought for a second, I said, how do I explain to him?" }, { "end_time": "42:05", "start_time": "42:03", "text": "That he's sitting in an AC room." }, { "end_time": "42:06", "start_time": "42:05", "text": "There are no bullets flying." }, { "end_time": "42:08", "start_time": "42:06", "text": "Nobody's dead here." }, { "end_time": "42:09", "start_time": "42:08", "text": "I said, I'll sort it out." }, { "end_time": "42:09", "start_time": "42:09", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "42:10", "start_time": "42:09", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "42:11", "start_time": "42:10", "text": "You're not taking it seriously." }, { "end_time": "42:14", "start_time": "42:11", "text": "I said, do I have to what do you want me to do?" }, { "end_time": "42:16", "start_time": "42:14", "text": "Because I don't see there's a problem." }, { "end_time": "42:23", "start_time": "42:16", "text": "So sometimes I realize it used to become a bit of a problem because and and this goes in your personal life also." }, { "end_time": "42:29", "start_time": "42:24", "text": "That, what people perceive as a huge issue is no issue for you." }, { "end_time": "42:35", "start_time": "42:30", "text": "And then you come across as being insensitive, callous, not concerned." }, { "end_time": "42:37", "start_time": "42:36", "text": "And there is no way you can explain." }, { "end_time": "42:41", "start_time": "42:37", "text": "But maybe your spectrum of sensitivity is so wide that No." }, { "end_time": "42:44", "start_time": "42:41", "text": "It's all you see, if you are going to compare anything, which is unfair." }, { "end_time": "42:46", "start_time": "42:44", "text": "And I keep telling myself, ah, look, forget that." }, { "end_time": "42:47", "start_time": "42:46", "text": "It's gone." }, { "end_time": "42:48", "start_time": "42:47", "text": "That life is over." }, { "end_time": "42:49", "start_time": "42:48", "text": "It was a life." }, { "end_time": "42:50", "start_time": "42:49", "text": "Different time." }, { "end_time": "42:51", "start_time": "42:50", "text": "Different context." }, { "end_time": "43:03", "start_time": "42:53", "text": "Don't keep getting that at the back of your head because you'll never have a situation outside in city street like that where somebody is dying, screaming, somebody's being shot, somebody's not gonna happen." }, { "end_time": "43:11", "start_time": "43:04", "text": "And if that is your yardstick to say that is a crisis and nothing else matters, then you're gonna have a problem in CV Street." }, { "end_time": "43:14", "start_time": "43:12", "text": "You'll have problems in your in your relationship." }, { "end_time": "43:17", "start_time": "43:15", "text": "Are you comfortable talking about that?" }, { "end_time": "43:17", "start_time": "43:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "43:21", "start_time": "43:17", "text": "I'm comfortable about everything, but all I'm saying is, yes, I've had problems." }, { "end_time": "43:24", "start_time": "43:21", "text": "I often have problems even now with my wife, you know, and I yeah." }, { "end_time": "43:25", "start_time": "43:24", "text": "You're not serious." }, { "end_time": "43:29", "start_time": "43:27", "text": "Have you seen this movie called American Sniper?" }, { "end_time": "43:30", "start_time": "43:30", "text": "I've seen it." }, { "end_time": "43:31", "start_time": "43:30", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "43:36", "start_time": "43:31", "text": "They kind of depicted exactly what you're saying in terms of as a soldier, you have a certain mindset." }, { "end_time": "43:46", "start_time": "43:36", "text": "But when you go back into the real world, sometimes it's difficult to completely empathize with the real world because you realize how narrow, it is." }, { "end_time": "43:47", "start_time": "43:47", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "43:50", "start_time": "43:47", "text": "Rangir, I you know, I'm disagree." }, { "end_time": "43:53", "start_time": "43:50", "text": "See, the point is to each their own." }, { "end_time": "44:01", "start_time": "43:55", "text": "Your perception is built by what you see, what your experiences are, the environment that you live in." }, { "end_time": "44:03", "start_time": "44:02", "text": "I saw other things." }, { "end_time": "44:07", "start_time": "44:03", "text": "I volunteered for it, and nobody forced me." }, { "end_time": "44:17", "start_time": "44:08", "text": "It's unfair for me to say that, you know, you're not a real man because you haven't seen things, that your perception is narrow, that your your concerns are narrow." }, { "end_time": "44:17", "start_time": "44:17", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "44:18", "start_time": "44:17", "text": "That's your concern." }, { "end_time": "44:19", "start_time": "44:18", "text": "That's the way you look at it." }, { "end_time": "44:20", "start_time": "44:19", "text": "That's the way you grew up." }, { "end_time": "44:21", "start_time": "44:20", "text": "That's what you've seen." }, { "end_time": "44:23", "start_time": "44:22", "text": "Fair deal." }, { "end_time": "44:28", "start_time": "44:24", "text": "So so I am just saying this is the problem I faced." }, { "end_time": "44:29", "start_time": "44:28", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "44:37", "start_time": "44:29", "text": "Otherwise, nothing compared after leaving the SF and joining, you know, the various banks that I worked in." }, { "end_time": "44:38", "start_time": "44:37", "text": "It's been a piece of cake." }, { "end_time": "44:40", "start_time": "44:39", "text": "It's been a piece of cake here." }, { "end_time": "44:43", "start_time": "44:41", "text": "Nothing ever compared to what I went through in the SF." }, { "end_time": "44:45", "start_time": "44:44", "text": "I've had a great time." }, { "end_time": "44:46", "start_time": "44:45", "text": "I retired." }, { "end_time": "44:51", "start_time": "44:46", "text": "I'm out and climbing hills, diving, swimming, doing Piece of cake." }, { "end_time": "45:00", "start_time": "44:51", "text": "In your relationship, was it like a similar problem where you were reacting differently to your partner and then that was becoming the crux of the, misunderstanding?" }, { "end_time": "45:00", "start_time": "45:00", "text": "It can." }, { "end_time": "45:01", "start_time": "45:00", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "45:02", "start_time": "45:01", "text": "It still does." }, { "end_time": "45:05", "start_time": "45:02", "text": "And how do you go past that as a guy?" }, { "end_time": "45:05", "start_time": "45:05", "text": "It still does." }, { "end_time": "45:08", "start_time": "45:05", "text": "I'm often lectured that you have no sensitivity." }, { "end_time": "45:10", "start_time": "45:08", "text": "So it's the age old." }, { "end_time": "45:10", "start_time": "45:10", "text": "Sorry, baby." }, { "end_time": "45:11", "start_time": "45:10", "text": "You're right." }, { "end_time": "45:14", "start_time": "45:11", "text": "See, it is." }, { "end_time": "45:15", "start_time": "45:14", "text": "Everybody's facing the same shape." }, { "end_time": "45:18", "start_time": "45:15", "text": "You see, the point is you don't have to serve in the SF to face that." }, { "end_time": "45:25", "start_time": "45:19", "text": "But I I I think I would agree when I'm told often that there is a lack of, sensitivity." }, { "end_time": "45:26", "start_time": "45:25", "text": "And what can I say?" }, { "end_time": "45:27", "start_time": "45:26", "text": "What can I explain to them?" }, { "end_time": "45:36", "start_time": "45:28", "text": "How do I explain that, you know, your seriousness, your situation, which which seems to you like a crisis is no crisis." }, { "end_time": "45:36", "start_time": "45:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:50", "start_time": "45:38", "text": "Telling me something which has offended a military veteran in the past, and I'm still gonna tell you this, but maybe I've had, like, 10 to 15 military veterans, on the show." }, { "end_time": "46:00", "start_time": "45:51", "text": "And I can think of, like, 2 or 3 who weren't carrying aspects of pain in their eyes at this stage of life as a veteran." }, { "end_time": "46:05", "start_time": "46:01", "text": "I'd also probably put you in that same bracket, but you're one of the older guys I've spoken to." }, { "end_time": "46:06", "start_time": "46:05", "text": "Maybe time has healed you." }, { "end_time": "46:08", "start_time": "46:06", "text": "That's what I sense as well." }, { "end_time": "46:12", "start_time": "46:08", "text": "Was there an angle of some I don't wanna call it PTSD because it's an older No." }, { "end_time": "46:12", "start_time": "46:12", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "46:13", "start_time": "46:12", "text": "I I suffered PTSD." }, { "end_time": "46:14", "start_time": "46:13", "text": "You should call it PTSD." }, { "end_time": "46:15", "start_time": "46:14", "text": "I had problems." }, { "end_time": "46:18", "start_time": "46:15", "text": "For people who don't know what PTSD is, post traumatic stress?" }, { "end_time": "46:19", "start_time": "46:19", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "46:21", "start_time": "46:19", "text": "I had problems for many years." }, { "end_time": "46:23", "start_time": "46:22", "text": "What happened?" }, { "end_time": "46:30", "start_time": "46:26", "text": "You would you would withdraw onto yourself in a gathering." }, { "end_time": "46:38", "start_time": "46:31", "text": "You would you would get anger seeing people enjoying themselves." }, { "end_time": "46:48", "start_time": "46:43", "text": "There was, there was a lot of anger." }, { "end_time": "46:49", "start_time": "46:48", "text": "In my case, there was a lot of anger." }, { "end_time": "46:51", "start_time": "46:49", "text": "But why anger out of someone enjoying themselves?" }, { "end_time": "46:55", "start_time": "46:53", "text": "Why is a bastard enjoying himself?" }, { "end_time": "46:57", "start_time": "46:55", "text": "Doesn't he know that people dying up there?" }, { "end_time": "47:02", "start_time": "46:58", "text": "Does he even have the faintest clue that somebody's you know?" }, { "end_time": "47:06", "start_time": "47:03", "text": "And my problem was, you know, there used to be occasions when I used to come back." }, { "end_time": "47:08", "start_time": "47:06", "text": "There was an occasion when I remember I came back." }, { "end_time": "47:09", "start_time": "47:08", "text": "There was a contact in the valley." }, { "end_time": "47:10", "start_time": "47:09", "text": "I was going on leave." }, { "end_time": "47:12", "start_time": "47:11", "text": "The next day, I was flying." }, { "end_time": "47:14", "start_time": "47:12", "text": "They had an operation in the evening." }, { "end_time": "47:24", "start_time": "47:15", "text": "The firefight, there was a lot of next day, we took a flight from Srinagar, came down, and then I saw some party, and I went for this party." }, { "end_time": "47:31", "start_time": "47:24", "text": "And the the sudden change, Just 13 hours back, you were sitting in a bush and there was fighting happening." }, { "end_time": "47:34", "start_time": "47:31", "text": "And now there is people enjoying themselves." }, { "end_time": "47:37", "start_time": "47:35", "text": "It takes time, you know." }, { "end_time": "47:38", "start_time": "47:37", "text": "There is problem." }, { "end_time": "47:40", "start_time": "47:39", "text": "Is it just time that heals?" }, { "end_time": "47:41", "start_time": "47:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:42", "start_time": "47:41", "text": "Time takes takes time." }, { "end_time": "47:44", "start_time": "47:42", "text": "Did you ever There was no counselling in my time." }, { "end_time": "47:47", "start_time": "47:45", "text": "But there was nobody even talked about PTSD." }, { "end_time": "47:51", "start_time": "47:48", "text": "If you said I'm cracking under the strain, then you were yellow." }, { "end_time": "47:54", "start_time": "47:53", "text": "That was the old Indian army." }, { "end_time": "47:55", "start_time": "47:54", "text": "I don't know even now." }, { "end_time": "47:59", "start_time": "47:55", "text": "You say it's too much too much I've had enough." }, { "end_time": "48:04", "start_time": "48:01", "text": "Your reputation is gonna get tarnished." }, { "end_time": "48:05", "start_time": "48:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:09", "start_time": "48:05", "text": "You know sometimes for some people, therapy may not even be the answer." }, { "end_time": "48:21", "start_time": "48:09", "text": "But at least in my experience of talking to a lot of men from different walks of life, there are some things you can only tell your partner or your girlfriend, and then there's something you can only tell your brothers." }, { "end_time": "48:26", "start_time": "48:22", "text": "So you need bros to kind of look out for each other if therapy is not possible." }, { "end_time": "48:30", "start_time": "48:27", "text": "And for some people, it's not because of financial constraints or whatever." }, { "end_time": "48:35", "start_time": "48:31", "text": "And I don't know how many, counselors there would be who would understand PTSD." }, { "end_time": "48:37", "start_time": "48:35", "text": "Maybe you need a military counselor." }, { "end_time": "48:38", "start_time": "48:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:40", "start_time": "48:38", "text": "You can't talk this with your girlfriend." }, { "end_time": "48:41", "start_time": "48:40", "text": "She not don't understand." }, { "end_time": "48:42", "start_time": "48:41", "text": "Or your wife." }, { "end_time": "48:43", "start_time": "48:42", "text": "She not Did you ever try?" }, { "end_time": "48:44", "start_time": "48:44", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "48:45", "start_time": "48:44", "text": "I didn't try." }, { "end_time": "48:46", "start_time": "48:46", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "48:47", "start_time": "48:46", "text": "I didn't try." }, { "end_time": "48:48", "start_time": "48:48", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "48:50", "start_time": "48:48", "text": "But I ran into problems in my marriage." }, { "end_time": "48:51", "start_time": "48:51", "text": "Which one?" }, { "end_time": "48:52", "start_time": "48:51", "text": "Outcome of the PTSD." }, { "end_time": "48:53", "start_time": "48:52", "text": "I'm sure." }, { "end_time": "48:56", "start_time": "48:53", "text": "Did you ever feel like crying at any point?" }, { "end_time": "48:57", "start_time": "48:57", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "48:58", "start_time": "48:57", "text": "I don't think so." }, { "end_time": "48:59", "start_time": "48:58", "text": "No crying." }, { "end_time": "49:00", "start_time": "48:59", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "49:04", "start_time": "49:00", "text": "But adjustment, you know, basically anger issues." }, { "end_time": "49:05", "start_time": "49:04", "text": "Not that you'd go and do anything." }, { "end_time": "49:10", "start_time": "49:06", "text": "But you just get this strong feeling that I wanna punch this guy in the face." }, { "end_time": "49:14", "start_time": "49:10", "text": "This guy sitting there, I feel like I wish she takes a fight with me." }, { "end_time": "49:15", "start_time": "49:15", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "49:16", "start_time": "49:15", "text": "Why him?" }, { "end_time": "49:16", "start_time": "49:16", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "49:16", "start_time": "49:16", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "49:19", "start_time": "49:16", "text": "It's just that something you've taken a dislike." }, { "end_time": "49:21", "start_time": "49:19", "text": "Maybe he's just enjoying himself so much." }, { "end_time": "49:29", "start_time": "49:22", "text": "Anything could just trigger something in your mind, you know, and you, a lot of withdrawal." }, { "end_time": "49:33", "start_time": "49:31", "text": "Some people have different symptoms." }, { "end_time": "49:34", "start_time": "49:33", "text": "Some don't." }, { "end_time": "49:36", "start_time": "49:34", "text": "Some don't carry any scars at all." }, { "end_time": "49:39", "start_time": "49:36", "text": "Those are the champs you can go through without anything." }, { "end_time": "49:40", "start_time": "49:39", "text": "But I took time." }, { "end_time": "49:42", "start_time": "49:40", "text": "I took about 3, 4 years, 4 years, 5 years." }, { "end_time": "49:49", "start_time": "49:42", "text": "You're one of the guys from whom I sense a lot of healed energy and your and I'm coming from the perspective of doing podcast with everyone." }, { "end_time": "49:53", "start_time": "49:49", "text": "Lots of military folks, but generally there's a lot of people who carry trauma with them." }, { "end_time": "49:55", "start_time": "49:53", "text": "I feel you've grown out of Completely." }, { "end_time": "49:56", "start_time": "49:55", "text": "The trauma." }, { "end_time": "49:58", "start_time": "49:56", "text": "I can actually sense it from you." }, { "end_time": "50:05", "start_time": "49:59", "text": "If I may be rude enough, I do feel there's, like, maybe 10% left to go, like in you, but that's just my reading." }, { "end_time": "50:06", "start_time": "50:05", "text": "And I keep it alive." }, { "end_time": "50:07", "start_time": "50:07", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "50:12", "start_time": "50:07", "text": "When I look back on my military days, it seems a different world." }, { "end_time": "50:15", "start_time": "50:13", "text": "Different it's been so many years now." }, { "end_time": "50:17", "start_time": "50:15", "text": "It's a different life, a different world." }, { "end_time": "50:33", "start_time": "50:17", "text": "I look at some pictures and I see, you know, and when I wrote my 3 books, I made the effort to go back, Including Sri Lanka, I went back to some of those places." }, { "end_time": "50:37", "start_time": "50:35", "text": "And it was catharsis of sorts, you know." }, { "end_time": "50:38", "start_time": "50:37", "text": "And then I wrote." }, { "end_time": "50:48", "start_time": "50:38", "text": "So I think that process of going to those same places, putting it, in a book, I think a lot of it is just out of the system." }, { "end_time": "50:48", "start_time": "50:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "50:51", "start_time": "50:49", "text": "Journaling I look at that book now and I I did this." }, { "end_time": "50:52", "start_time": "50:51", "text": "I don't really." }, { "end_time": "50:56", "start_time": "50:54", "text": "Does it you have a life lesson in you?" }, { "end_time": "50:57", "start_time": "50:56", "text": "What you just said, writing it out." }, { "end_time": "50:58", "start_time": "50:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "50:58", "start_time": "50:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "50:58", "start_time": "50:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "50:59", "start_time": "50:58", "text": "That's the best thing they say." }, { "end_time": "51:03", "start_time": "50:59", "text": "The only thing that helped me deal with the worst breakup of my life was poetry." }, { "end_time": "51:03", "start_time": "51:03", "text": "There you are." }, { "end_time": "51:04", "start_time": "51:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "51:06", "start_time": "51:04", "text": "Because I was looking for a new form of content to create." }, { "end_time": "51:09", "start_time": "51:06", "text": "Someone said that where are all the poets gone?" }, { "end_time": "51:10", "start_time": "51:09", "text": "And I said, oh, that's really 1?" }, { "end_time": "51:11", "start_time": "51:10", "text": "I can do poetry." }, { "end_time": "51:13", "start_time": "51:11", "text": "And then I started writing my pain out." }, { "end_time": "51:14", "start_time": "51:13", "text": "It felt nicer." }, { "end_time": "51:15", "start_time": "51:14", "text": "It felt like taking an emotional shit." }, { "end_time": "51:18", "start_time": "51:16", "text": "But the point is they did continue after that the poetry." }, { "end_time": "51:19", "start_time": "51:18", "text": "Why it stopped?" }, { "end_time": "51:21", "start_time": "51:19", "text": "It stopped once the pain was gone." }, { "end_time": "51:21", "start_time": "51:21", "text": "There you are." }, { "end_time": "51:23", "start_time": "51:22", "text": "Best ways to deal with pain." }, { "end_time": "51:26", "start_time": "51:23", "text": "I should look down upon poetry thinking that why does anyone even do this?" }, { "end_time": "51:28", "start_time": "51:26", "text": "And it started coming out of me." }, { "end_time": "51:35", "start_time": "51:28", "text": "And I realized, oh, there's writing in terms of writing stories, writing articles, where you have to kind of write in a construct." }, { "end_time": "51:37", "start_time": "51:35", "text": "And then this poetry, which is free flow writing." }, { "end_time": "51:37", "start_time": "51:37", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "51:39", "start_time": "51:37", "text": "Free flow comes from your heart." }, { "end_time": "51:40", "start_time": "51:39", "text": "Just write whatever you're feeling." }, { "end_time": "51:41", "start_time": "51:40", "text": "It doesn't even have to rhyme." }, { "end_time": "51:43", "start_time": "51:41", "text": "Write 4, 5 sentences about what you're feeling." }, { "end_time": "51:45", "start_time": "51:43", "text": "Try your hand at, at painting or sketching." }, { "end_time": "51:46", "start_time": "51:45", "text": "I did that too." }, { "end_time": "51:47", "start_time": "51:46", "text": "What did you sketch?" }, { "end_time": "51:50", "start_time": "51:47", "text": "I I sketched human figures and stuff." }, { "end_time": "51:52", "start_time": "51:50", "text": "I I painted watercolors." }, { "end_time": "51:54", "start_time": "51:53", "text": "I have a few pictures up on my wall." }, { "end_time": "51:56", "start_time": "51:54", "text": "A couple of my mates have them on the wall." }, { "end_time": "51:58", "start_time": "51:56", "text": "Did do any of those pictures have pain?" }, { "end_time": "51:59", "start_time": "51:59", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "52:00", "start_time": "51:59", "text": "None." }, { "end_time": "52:01", "start_time": "52:00", "text": "None." }, { "end_time": "52:02", "start_time": "52:01", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "52:02", "start_time": "52:02", "text": "None." }, { "end_time": "52:08", "start_time": "52:02", "text": "Well, mostly mostly by doing it, you know, it was a great way to to de stress, to take things out." }, { "end_time": "52:10", "start_time": "52:08", "text": "I'm just suggesting to you." }, { "end_time": "52:10", "start_time": "52:10", "text": "Oh, okay." }, { "end_time": "52:15", "start_time": "52:11", "text": "I I have terrible handwriting, and I can't I can't draw to save my life." }, { "end_time": "52:18", "start_time": "52:15", "text": "Like, I can draw some crazy shit, but it won't look good." }, { "end_time": "52:20", "start_time": "52:19", "text": "Who cares?" }, { "end_time": "52:23", "start_time": "52:20", "text": "Coming back to the themes of the show." }, { "end_time": "52:31", "start_time": "52:23", "text": "So the with Special Forces podcast, I often struggle to come up with new questions because we've had so many, that I don't know what else to ask." }, { "end_time": "52:35", "start_time": "52:31", "text": "But you've given me 3 or 4 new tangents to think about now." }, { "end_time": "52:40", "start_time": "52:35", "text": "I have to go back to some of my old questions, which are points of interest for me." }, { "end_time": "52:42", "start_time": "52:41", "text": "Animals." }, { "end_time": "52:48", "start_time": "52:42", "text": "We spoke about the wild boar you saw in Sri Lanka, but you've also served in Northeast and Kashmir." }, { "end_time": "52:50", "start_time": "52:48", "text": "Did you have animal encounters?" }, { "end_time": "52:52", "start_time": "52:50", "text": "Not not not in the Northeast." }, { "end_time": "52:53", "start_time": "52:52", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "52:56", "start_time": "52:54", "text": "We were hitting a Naga camp in Burma." }, { "end_time": "53:01", "start_time": "52:57", "text": "You know, people talk about this transborder operation and stuff like that, which happened in the Northeast." }, { "end_time": "53:08", "start_time": "53:03", "text": "The Indian army has been crossing over, especially the SF units have been crossing over for some years." }, { "end_time": "53:15", "start_time": "53:10", "text": "And the Burmese government and the Indian government, of course, know about it." }, { "end_time": "53:18", "start_time": "53:15", "text": "It was with permission from the Burmese government that we would cross over." }, { "end_time": "53:20", "start_time": "53:18", "text": "So this is one of those operations." }, { "end_time": "53:26", "start_time": "53:20", "text": "We've crossed over to the very large Naga camp, and this must have been about 5 or 6 kilometres inside, Burma." }, { "end_time": "53:32", "start_time": "53:27", "text": "And at at night, we started hearing this." }, { "end_time": "53:36", "start_time": "53:33", "text": "It's, it's a monkey called the gibbon." }, { "end_time": "53:37", "start_time": "53:37", "text": "The what?" }, { "end_time": "53:38", "start_time": "53:37", "text": "Gibbon." }, { "end_time": "53:38", "start_time": "53:38", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "53:44", "start_time": "53:40", "text": "And it had a laugh, you know, like a like a it's like a human laugh." }, { "end_time": "53:53", "start_time": "53:46", "text": "And we suddenly heard this loud coming in this very thick forest in the northeast and nobody knew." }, { "end_time": "53:57", "start_time": "53:54", "text": "See, is this is it the the militants coming back?" }, { "end_time": "53:59", "start_time": "53:57", "text": "Is there some sort of a signaling happening?" }, { "end_time": "54:00", "start_time": "53:59", "text": "Much later, we came back." }, { "end_time": "54:02", "start_time": "54:00", "text": "We realized it's an animal of sorts." }, { "end_time": "54:06", "start_time": "54:03", "text": "Much later when I checked it, we realized it's called a gibbon." }, { "end_time": "54:11", "start_time": "54:06", "text": "I think it's called a gibbon, and it's a it's a protected species." }, { "end_time": "54:18", "start_time": "54:12", "text": "In in in J and K, of course, I cited, I cited leopards." }, { "end_time": "54:31", "start_time": "54:19", "text": "In fact, I had a very nice conversation with a militant Shahkur Shere Khan, over this over this incident that happened in North Kashmir." }, { "end_time": "54:32", "start_time": "54:32", "text": "Very Interesting." }, { "end_time": "54:45", "start_time": "54:32", "text": "And the first time I realized that these guys also have a sense of humor because I used to talk to a lot of them on the radio set just trying to get into their head to figure out, you know, are they romantics, adventurers, like, you know, some of the SF guys are." }, { "end_time": "54:46", "start_time": "54:45", "text": "It's a classified podcast." }, { "end_time": "54:52", "start_time": "54:46", "text": "You know, but I you I had a I had a 2, 3 years and chatted quite a few of them." }, { "end_time": "54:52", "start_time": "54:52", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "54:56", "start_time": "54:52", "text": "I had to ensure that I chat only the Paki militants, the foreign militants." }, { "end_time": "55:07", "start_time": "54:57", "text": "And, you know, bulk of them were there for economic reasons, but a lot of them the leaders, of course, had gone to some madras or the other." }, { "end_time": "55:08", "start_time": "55:07", "text": "So, you know, there are other experiences." }, { "end_time": "55:13", "start_time": "55:09", "text": "Coming to this one is thick snow, a place called Lola Valley." }, { "end_time": "55:16", "start_time": "55:13", "text": "And at about 2 o'clock, we were in tents." }, { "end_time": "55:20", "start_time": "55:16", "text": "2 o'clock, there's firing, A burst of fire." }, { "end_time": "55:21", "start_time": "55:20", "text": "Shit." }, { "end_time": "55:22", "start_time": "55:21", "text": "Somebody's attacked the post." }, { "end_time": "55:22", "start_time": "55:22", "text": "Some nonsense." }, { "end_time": "55:24", "start_time": "55:23", "text": "3 feet of snow." }, { "end_time": "55:26", "start_time": "55:25", "text": "Miserably cold." }, { "end_time": "55:33", "start_time": "55:26", "text": "So I got out, walked up to the sentry post, and it was a dug in place with sandbags around it." }, { "end_time": "55:35", "start_time": "55:34", "text": "There's a light machine gun post." }, { "end_time": "55:37", "start_time": "55:35", "text": "There were 2 guys there looking very shaken up." }, { "end_time": "55:39", "start_time": "55:38", "text": "Who fired?" }, { "end_time": "55:41", "start_time": "55:40", "text": "I see any sighting?" }, { "end_time": "55:43", "start_time": "55:41", "text": "Did you see anything of who camped in a forest?" }, { "end_time": "56:02", "start_time": "55:57", "text": "A hard snow, so there were bug marks, and I noticed there were 2 of them." }, { "end_time": "56:04", "start_time": "56:02", "text": "So they were hunting in pair." }, { "end_time": "56:05", "start_time": "56:04", "text": "So I said, what happened?" }, { "end_time": "56:12", "start_time": "56:05", "text": "He says, you know, sir, we saw this ice sparking in the darkness and before we could react, this guy leaped." }, { "end_time": "56:18", "start_time": "56:12", "text": "And he must have miscalculated because he landed on top of the sandbag and knocked the LMG barrel off." }, { "end_time": "56:22", "start_time": "56:19", "text": "The the number 2 guy behind him opened up with the AK." }, { "end_time": "56:24", "start_time": "56:22", "text": "That's when both of them ran off." }, { "end_time": "56:27", "start_time": "56:25", "text": "Next morning, you know, the sun came out." }, { "end_time": "56:28", "start_time": "56:27", "text": "It's bad weather." }, { "end_time": "56:33", "start_time": "56:28", "text": "The sun came out and the radio is crackled to life and militant stations coming alive." }, { "end_time": "56:36", "start_time": "56:33", "text": "And this this militant station, I recognized his voice." }, { "end_time": "56:37", "start_time": "56:36", "text": "He recognized my voice." }, { "end_time": "56:43", "start_time": "56:37", "text": "Came on came on set and said, he's berating some Kashmiri militant." }, { "end_time": "56:53", "start_time": "56:44", "text": "And he's telling that chap, Kashmiri commander, he's telling him, he says, What's happened?" }, { "end_time": "56:55", "start_time": "56:54", "text": "He's gone last 2 days." }, { "end_time": "56:57", "start_time": "56:55", "text": "We haven't had food to eat." }, { "end_time": "57:01", "start_time": "56:58", "text": "If this is the way you conduct jihad, we are your bloody guest." }, { "end_time": "57:02", "start_time": "57:01", "text": "We've come here to fight." }, { "end_time": "57:06", "start_time": "57:03", "text": "3 days, 2 days, he hasn't come back with any bloody food." }, { "end_time": "57:09", "start_time": "57:07", "text": "And added to that, there is another problem." }, { "end_time": "57:13", "start_time": "57:09", "text": "There is a bloody leopard who's come and attacked, and now Javed is mauled." }, { "end_time": "57:17", "start_time": "57:13", "text": "Now they're sitting in a in a in a hideout somewhere in the forest there." }, { "end_time": "57:18", "start_time": "57:17", "text": "Miserable conditions." }, { "end_time": "57:21", "start_time": "57:19", "text": "And now Javed is mauled." }, { "end_time": "57:27", "start_time": "57:22", "text": "Now tell that bastard to come off as soon as possible and get a bloody Hakim also while you're doing that." }, { "end_time": "57:34", "start_time": "57:27", "text": "And in Javed, Javed, he's pitching into this bloody Kashmiri guy who's constantly saying, sorry, sorry, you know, my fault and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "57:36", "start_time": "57:34", "text": "So I, you know, I I I heard this." }, { "end_time": "57:39", "start_time": "57:37", "text": "So I said, Assalamualaikum, sheikh Khan." }, { "end_time": "57:43", "start_time": "57:40", "text": "I'll follow you by, you know, leave the channel, please." }, { "end_time": "57:44", "start_time": "57:43", "text": "I've got problems happening here." }, { "end_time": "57:44", "start_time": "57:44", "text": "Really?" }, { "end_time": "57:46", "start_time": "57:45", "text": "You could talk like that." }, { "end_time": "57:47", "start_time": "57:46", "text": "I got my one set of problems here." }, { "end_time": "57:50", "start_time": "57:47", "text": "I said, I know your problem, sheikh Khan." }, { "end_time": "57:53", "start_time": "57:51", "text": "You've been you've been attacked by a leopard." }, { "end_time": "57:54", "start_time": "57:53", "text": "He says, oh, forget that." }, { "end_time": "57:54", "start_time": "57:54", "text": "And I said, no." }, { "end_time": "57:54", "start_time": "57:54", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "57:55", "start_time": "57:54", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "57:55", "start_time": "57:55", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "57:56", "start_time": "57:55", "text": "Listen to me." }, { "end_time": "58:01", "start_time": "57:57", "text": "That leopard because you fuckers, don't come down and fight." }, { "end_time": "58:06", "start_time": "58:02", "text": "You bastards are sitting up there or hanging around in the villages eating free food." }, { "end_time": "58:08", "start_time": "58:06", "text": "We train these leopards." }, { "end_time": "58:10", "start_time": "58:08", "text": "They're trained by us." }, { "end_time": "58:12", "start_time": "58:10", "text": "Now these leopards are gonna come hunting for you." }, { "end_time": "58:16", "start_time": "58:13", "text": "Aren't leopards, like, extremely shy and try avoiding human food?" }, { "end_time": "58:17", "start_time": "58:16", "text": "They they don't." }, { "end_time": "58:20", "start_time": "58:17", "text": "They'll attack kids, you know, dogs." }, { "end_time": "58:22", "start_time": "58:21", "text": "They're very shy." }, { "end_time": "58:22", "start_time": "58:22", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "58:23", "start_time": "58:22", "text": "But if you're desperate, you're desperate." }, { "end_time": "58:24", "start_time": "58:23", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "58:25", "start_time": "58:24", "text": "There are no food." }, { "end_time": "58:26", "start_time": "58:25", "text": "There's thick snow." }, { "end_time": "58:26", "start_time": "58:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "58:28", "start_time": "58:26", "text": "This is minus 10 minus 15 degrees." }, { "end_time": "58:29", "start_time": "58:28", "text": "No food." }, { "end_time": "58:34", "start_time": "58:31", "text": "I recall that incident with Sherkhand, that conversation." }, { "end_time": "58:38", "start_time": "58:34", "text": "I'm inclined to know more about these classified podcasts you've done with militants." }, { "end_time": "58:39", "start_time": "58:38", "text": "Like No." }, { "end_time": "58:40", "start_time": "58:39", "text": "I had nice conversations with them." }, { "end_time": "58:54", "start_time": "58:40", "text": "You know, I realized that, you know, they were my my my impression of them was that they were a they were a narrow minded, limited people." }, { "end_time": "58:59", "start_time": "58:54", "text": "They're as as, TE Lawrence said in his book." }, { "end_time": "59:06", "start_time": "59:01", "text": "Their intellects lay fallow in incurious resignation." }, { "end_time": "59:11", "start_time": "59:09", "text": "The imagination was not vivid." }, { "end_time": "59:16", "start_time": "59:13", "text": "Their thought process was very mathematical." }, { "end_time": "59:23", "start_time": "59:17", "text": "Those who had studied in a madrasa had been taught history related to Muslim glory." }, { "end_time": "59:42", "start_time": "59:24", "text": "They could tell you about Muhammad Ghauri, Muhammad Ghazni, but if you question them about Ranjit Singh, World War 2, or the British, you know, in North West Frontier or Hari Singh Nalwa, they hadn't heard about all that." }, { "end_time": "59:46", "start_time": "59:44", "text": "They were convinced in their superiority as fighting people." }, { "end_time": "59:53", "start_time": "59:48", "text": "They had a bit of a disdain for the Hindu, called you a Bania." }, { "end_time": "1:00:04", "start_time": "59:54", "text": "And the background is that, you know, most of their villages right up till Kabul, right up till Central Asia, and the the guy who the Hindu generally was the Bania." }, { "end_time": "1:00:07", "start_time": "1:00:04", "text": "So you're not the fighting man." }, { "end_time": "1:00:10", "start_time": "1:00:07", "text": "So their impression was that you're not a good fighter." }, { "end_time": "1:00:12", "start_time": "1:00:10", "text": "Very cocky about his own fighting ability." }, { "end_time": "1:00:18", "start_time": "1:00:16", "text": "But, were they good fighters?" }, { "end_time": "1:00:19", "start_time": "1:00:18", "text": "They were good fighters." }, { "end_time": "1:00:21", "start_time": "1:00:19", "text": "Because of they were good fighters." }, { "end_time": "1:00:21", "start_time": "1:00:21", "text": "Because of training?" }, { "end_time": "1:00:22", "start_time": "1:00:22", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:00:23", "start_time": "1:00:22", "text": "Because of motivation." }, { "end_time": "1:00:24", "start_time": "1:00:23", "text": "Aggression." }, { "end_time": "1:00:26", "start_time": "1:00:24", "text": "All of their commitment to what they believed in." }, { "end_time": "1:00:26", "start_time": "1:00:26", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:00:28", "start_time": "1:00:27", "text": "Having good fighters." }, { "end_time": "1:00:42", "start_time": "1:00:28", "text": "And in my time in my time, the Flotsam, which had been kicked out of Afghanistan after the Soviets left, that bunch which was a foreclosed, was then diverted into Kashmir." }, { "end_time": "1:00:44", "start_time": "1:00:42", "text": "So the bunch which came in were very seasoned fighters." }, { "end_time": "1:00:48", "start_time": "1:00:45", "text": "If you got into a firefight with them, you could see that this guy is not a novice." }, { "end_time": "1:00:56", "start_time": "1:00:48", "text": "You see, if as an experienced, combat man, one can tell from Manoeuvers." }, { "end_time": "1:01:00", "start_time": "1:00:56", "text": "From the way you maneuver, the way you fire, What sort of an opposition you're up against." }, { "end_time": "1:01:02", "start_time": "1:01:00", "text": "From the way you fire." }, { "end_time": "1:01:03", "start_time": "1:01:02", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:01:04", "start_time": "1:01:04", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:01:06", "start_time": "1:01:04", "text": "You can you can see the guy's nervous." }, { "end_time": "1:01:09", "start_time": "1:01:07", "text": "What how accurate does his fire?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:11", "start_time": "1:01:09", "text": "How do they engage you?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:16", "start_time": "1:01:12", "text": "Experienced soldiers will tell you very easily that, oh, I'm up against a novice." }, { "end_time": "1:01:19", "start_time": "1:01:17", "text": "This bunch is not going to stand and fight." }, { "end_time": "1:01:20", "start_time": "1:01:19", "text": "So all this comes with experience." }, { "end_time": "1:01:24", "start_time": "1:01:20", "text": "I mean, the point is this bunch used to fight you exactly the way you were fighting." }, { "end_time": "1:01:26", "start_time": "1:01:24", "text": "You would fire single rounds." }, { "end_time": "1:01:27", "start_time": "1:01:26", "text": "You would fire double time." }, { "end_time": "1:01:31", "start_time": "1:01:27", "text": "The the SF doesn't believe in generally doesn't believe in automatic fire." }, { "end_time": "1:01:33", "start_time": "1:01:32", "text": "What does that in accurate fire." }, { "end_time": "1:01:39", "start_time": "1:01:33", "text": "You know, when you switch the lever and you go tutter, empty the magazine, and, you know, it's all over the place, and you put another magazine." }, { "end_time": "1:01:40", "start_time": "1:01:40", "text": "Nobody does that." }, { "end_time": "1:01:42", "start_time": "1:01:40", "text": "It's discouraged." }, { "end_time": "1:01:42", "start_time": "1:01:42", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:01:43", "start_time": "1:01:42", "text": "Ideally, it's discouraged." }, { "end_time": "1:01:46", "start_time": "1:01:43", "text": "It's more pinpoint accuracy firing." }, { "end_time": "1:01:47", "start_time": "1:01:46", "text": "Precision is more important." }, { "end_time": "1:01:50", "start_time": "1:01:49", "text": "Ammunition is is important." }, { "end_time": "1:01:52", "start_time": "1:01:50", "text": "You got to save it." }, { "end_time": "1:01:55", "start_time": "1:01:53", "text": "What you see is what you fire at." }, { "end_time": "1:01:57", "start_time": "1:01:55", "text": "Unless such a suppressing fire, whatever." }, { "end_time": "1:01:59", "start_time": "1:01:57", "text": "So this bunch you could see." }, { "end_time": "1:02:01", "start_time": "1:02:00", "text": "Their fire was accurate." }, { "end_time": "1:02:04", "start_time": "1:02:02", "text": "They would control their ammunition." }, { "end_time": "1:02:07", "start_time": "1:02:04", "text": "And, well, they would fight till the end." }, { "end_time": "1:02:09", "start_time": "1:02:07", "text": "There was no surrender of any kind." }, { "end_time": "1:02:11", "start_time": "1:02:10", "text": "There were no Fidayins in those days." }, { "end_time": "1:02:13", "start_time": "1:02:12", "text": "Fedayin bunch came in later." }, { "end_time": "1:02:15", "start_time": "1:02:14", "text": "Who are not good fighters?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:15", "start_time": "1:02:15", "text": "Oh, good fighters." }, { "end_time": "1:02:16", "start_time": "1:02:15", "text": "They are." }, { "end_time": "1:02:17", "start_time": "1:02:16", "text": "That's a one way mission." }, { "end_time": "1:02:18", "start_time": "1:02:17", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:02:19", "start_time": "1:02:18", "text": "Like, they're coming to you to die themselves." }, { "end_time": "1:02:19", "start_time": "1:02:19", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:02:21", "start_time": "1:02:19", "text": "It's a one way mission." }, { "end_time": "1:02:22", "start_time": "1:02:21", "text": "He's not going back." }, { "end_time": "1:02:26", "start_time": "1:02:24", "text": "Are there ever any hand to hand combat scenarios?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:34", "start_time": "1:02:28", "text": "Not not in my case, but I know people who've had who had who've had that experience." }, { "end_time": "1:02:36", "start_time": "1:02:35", "text": "They lived to tell the tale?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:38", "start_time": "1:02:37", "text": "They lived." }, { "end_time": "1:02:38", "start_time": "1:02:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:02:39", "start_time": "1:02:38", "text": "How do you tell the truth?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:49", "start_time": "1:02:39", "text": "I know a friend of mine, a very close friend of mine, who chased a militant, who turned around and leveled his AK and fired, and it was a misfire." }, { "end_time": "1:02:51", "start_time": "1:02:50", "text": "1 in a 10000000000chance." }, { "end_time": "1:02:56", "start_time": "1:02:52", "text": "And then, you know, they wrestled on the on the on the road in the darkness." }, { "end_time": "1:02:58", "start_time": "1:02:56", "text": "How big was your friend?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:02", "start_time": "1:02:58", "text": "I he's, he's about shorter than me, but he's alright." }, { "end_time": "1:03:04", "start_time": "1:03:02", "text": "And versus the militant who is I don't know." }, { "end_time": "1:03:08", "start_time": "1:03:04", "text": "But, you know, I I just recall that he's he's a pakki guy, I think." }, { "end_time": "1:03:09", "start_time": "1:03:08", "text": "Pakki guy or whatever." }, { "end_time": "1:03:16", "start_time": "1:03:10", "text": "He's he's getting a small, a book." }, { "end_time": "1:03:20", "start_time": "1:03:18", "text": "And then he says, you know, are you gonna give me any information?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:22", "start_time": "1:03:21", "text": "So you might as well shoot me, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:03:23", "start_time": "1:03:22", "text": "Finish me." }, { "end_time": "1:03:24", "start_time": "1:03:23", "text": "There was no interrogation." }, { "end_time": "1:03:25", "start_time": "1:03:24", "text": "Nothing at all." }, { "end_time": "1:03:29", "start_time": "1:03:25", "text": "He was shot immediately, but he was he was very lucky." }, { "end_time": "1:03:30", "start_time": "1:03:29", "text": "Very lucky." }, { "end_time": "1:03:31", "start_time": "1:03:30", "text": "Luck is very important." }, { "end_time": "1:03:39", "start_time": "1:03:31", "text": "Luck is important in everything in life, but it manifests itself more strongly in the in the profession of arms." }, { "end_time": "1:03:39", "start_time": "1:03:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:03:45", "start_time": "1:03:39", "text": "You know, bad luck bad luck could be as bad as getting shot or or maimed or injured." }, { "end_time": "1:03:51", "start_time": "1:03:46", "text": "And I I remember in my time, there were 4 officers who were known for their luck." }, { "end_time": "1:03:54", "start_time": "1:03:52", "text": "I mean, they were fine officers, all for SF." }, { "end_time": "1:04:05", "start_time": "1:03:57", "text": "One left the army, is, sold his company, retired at 48, a very wealthy man." }, { "end_time": "1:04:11", "start_time": "1:04:06", "text": "The other is still serving as a major general, and 2 are dead." }, { "end_time": "1:04:16", "start_time": "1:04:13", "text": "Malia is one of them and another classmate of mine." }, { "end_time": "1:04:18", "start_time": "1:04:17", "text": "Both are dead." }, { "end_time": "1:04:22", "start_time": "1:04:18", "text": "But the talk was generally, if these chaps are going out, contact is imminent." }, { "end_time": "1:04:25", "start_time": "1:04:24", "text": "Talk your weapons." }, { "end_time": "1:04:27", "start_time": "1:04:25", "text": "So and so is leading something." }, { "end_time": "1:04:29", "start_time": "1:04:27", "text": "Some shit is gonna hit fat for sure." }, { "end_time": "1:04:30", "start_time": "1:04:29", "text": "So luck is very important." }, { "end_time": "1:04:35", "start_time": "1:04:31", "text": "You can keep making the effort, but if you're not lucky, you're not getting the game." }, { "end_time": "1:04:47", "start_time": "1:04:38", "text": "What is it about being out there in the field, up there on a mountain, away from civilization that the average civilian will never understand?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:49", "start_time": "1:04:48", "text": "I'm asking you a question about food." }, { "end_time": "1:04:51", "start_time": "1:04:49", "text": "I'm asking you questions about hunting." }, { "end_time": "1:04:56", "start_time": "1:04:51", "text": "I'm asking you questions about what it feels like being really out there in nature." }, { "end_time": "1:04:59", "start_time": "1:04:58", "text": "What does it do to the mind?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:10", "start_time": "1:04:59", "text": "Like, probably right from your first experience to some really memorable experience because I've had special forces soldiers come on and say they've seen some of the most beautiful places in the world out there." }, { "end_time": "1:05:14", "start_time": "1:05:10", "text": "I've had some people come and say they've eaten things that they would never eat ever." }, { "end_time": "1:05:19", "start_time": "1:05:14", "text": "And I've had people come and say that, they've seen things which they didn't expect to see." }, { "end_time": "1:05:20", "start_time": "1:05:20", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:05:20", "start_time": "1:05:20", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:05:30", "start_time": "1:05:20", "text": "So Ranveer, if you're talking about the scenery, of course, you go and see places which, which I don't think so." }, { "end_time": "1:05:32", "start_time": "1:05:30", "text": "Even the locals go and see." }, { "end_time": "1:05:33", "start_time": "1:05:32", "text": "You end up seeing things." }, { "end_time": "1:05:37", "start_time": "1:05:33", "text": "I mean, I remember this border trans border operation into Burma." }, { "end_time": "1:05:47", "start_time": "1:05:37", "text": "There were teak trees which would practically, you know, size 20 meters and 20 feet in diameter." }, { "end_time": "1:05:49", "start_time": "1:05:47", "text": "Huge teak, Burma teak trees." }, { "end_time": "1:05:52", "start_time": "1:05:49", "text": "They must have been easily 5, 7, 600 years old." }, { "end_time": "1:05:59", "start_time": "1:05:53", "text": "You know, I've seen, the Udhar forest extremely, extremely huge trees." }, { "end_time": "1:06:05", "start_time": "1:06:00", "text": "And there were views, of course, there were there were sunsets and there were sunrises, which were beautiful." }, { "end_time": "1:06:09", "start_time": "1:06:07", "text": "It depends what your state of mind is." }, { "end_time": "1:06:12", "start_time": "1:06:10", "text": "Are you getting that chance to to appreciate?" }, { "end_time": "1:06:13", "start_time": "1:06:12", "text": "You can always get that chance." }, { "end_time": "1:06:16", "start_time": "1:06:13", "text": "It's not that there's a fire fight happening all the time." }, { "end_time": "1:06:22", "start_time": "1:06:16", "text": "And and especially when you're going into your target area, where you're laying in ambush, stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "1:06:23", "start_time": "1:06:22", "text": "But it's it's hard." }, { "end_time": "1:06:26", "start_time": "1:06:24", "text": "It's a hard life." }, { "end_time": "1:06:29", "start_time": "1:06:26", "text": "When you're out, we don't light a fire." }, { "end_time": "1:06:31", "start_time": "1:06:30", "text": "There is no tea." }, { "end_time": "1:06:36", "start_time": "1:06:33", "text": "It's it's food that you carry that you have for the next 3 days, 4 days." }, { "end_time": "1:06:38", "start_time": "1:06:37", "text": "It's raining." }, { "end_time": "1:06:39", "start_time": "1:06:38", "text": "It's cold." }, { "end_time": "1:06:43", "start_time": "1:06:40", "text": "And it's, it's not, it's not comfortable." }, { "end_time": "1:06:48", "start_time": "1:06:46", "text": "But there is a certain amount of training." }, { "end_time": "1:06:53", "start_time": "1:06:48", "text": "There is a certain amount of culture that this is the way you operate." }, { "end_time": "1:06:59", "start_time": "1:06:54", "text": "You know, the the difference is you have a traveler, for example, and a hunter." }, { "end_time": "1:07:04", "start_time": "1:07:00", "text": "A traveler goes along in a jungle on a path he comes across, a wild animal." }, { "end_time": "1:07:07", "start_time": "1:07:05", "text": "He shoots it, carries on." }, { "end_time": "1:07:11", "start_time": "1:07:08", "text": "A hunter will go inside to hunt." }, { "end_time": "1:07:12", "start_time": "1:07:11", "text": "There's a difference." }, { "end_time": "1:07:16", "start_time": "1:07:12", "text": "Special forces by nature because they don't hold ground." }, { "end_time": "1:07:22", "start_time": "1:07:16", "text": "They have that that hunting ability, which means if you need to get game, you need to go out." }, { "end_time": "1:07:27", "start_time": "1:07:22", "text": "You need to be seeking, which means there's so much time you need to spend out, constantly out." }, { "end_time": "1:07:31", "start_time": "1:07:27", "text": "And it takes a lot of effort to get a man, you know." }, { "end_time": "1:07:35", "start_time": "1:07:31", "text": "It's luck is not going to be on your side every time you step out." }, { "end_time": "1:07:57", "start_time": "1:07:36", "text": "So you see these contacts, but the effort that goes in to get that 30 seconds of contact, hours and hours and days and days and nights and nights spent just toiling up hills, sitting in ambushes, sitting in the cold till you get that 1 minute, 2 minutes, 60 second contact, firefight, couple of kills." }, { "end_time": "1:07:59", "start_time": "1:07:58", "text": "But the effort is too much." }, { "end_time": "1:08:06", "start_time": "1:08:02", "text": "When I was there, the place was teeming with militants." }, { "end_time": "1:08:11", "start_time": "1:08:07", "text": "Your radio set used to be like a it was like a cricket commentary, you know." }, { "end_time": "1:08:14", "start_time": "1:08:11", "text": "You start 8 o'clock in the morning, and you're there." }, { "end_time": "1:08:16", "start_time": "1:08:14", "text": "There's chatter, militant chatter all over the place." }, { "end_time": "1:08:22", "start_time": "1:08:18", "text": "And in the evening, the last report would be given to this Pakistani chap there." }, { "end_time": "1:08:30", "start_time": "1:08:23", "text": "So coming to your point, great places, but sometimes you have so much weight." }, { "end_time": "1:08:34", "start_time": "1:08:31", "text": "Sometimes you've been walking 13 hours, 14 hours, 15 hours." }, { "end_time": "1:08:36", "start_time": "1:08:34", "text": "The radio operator starts sitting down." }, { "end_time": "1:08:38", "start_time": "1:08:36", "text": "The RL guy is struggling with the weight." }, { "end_time": "1:08:39", "start_time": "1:08:38", "text": "It starts taining." }, { "end_time": "1:08:45", "start_time": "1:08:43", "text": "One hell of a man to then sit and appreciate." }, { "end_time": "1:08:48", "start_time": "1:08:46", "text": "But I should carry later stages, I started carrying a camera." }, { "end_time": "1:08:52", "start_time": "1:08:48", "text": "I said, you know, I'm seeing something which I'll never see again and I should capture it." }, { "end_time": "1:08:57", "start_time": "1:08:52", "text": "And I did manage to capture a, a big firefight." }, { "end_time": "1:09:10", "start_time": "1:08:58", "text": "I mean, it's very difficult to see that there's a firefight happening because those old cameras which you carry in, you know, Dungare, but there's a house burning and a couple of bodies lying around, some militants lying around for whatever it's worth." }, { "end_time": "1:09:17", "start_time": "1:09:11", "text": "Is there a reality of Kashmir that you would like to highlight for the urban Indian youth listening into this podcast?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:22", "start_time": "1:09:17", "text": "Because again, a lot of them only get their information from news sources, which I feel in the modern day you can't rely on." }, { "end_time": "1:09:25", "start_time": "1:09:22", "text": "So what does a soldier have to say who served there?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:30", "start_time": "1:09:25", "text": "And I'm sure you're also in touch with the soldiers who are currently serving there." }, { "end_time": "1:09:34", "start_time": "1:09:30", "text": "As far as I understand the situation from soldiers, it's gotten cleaner over time." }, { "end_time": "1:09:39", "start_time": "1:09:34", "text": "And it's heading towards a place of the conflict being resolved to a certain degree." }, { "end_time": "1:09:40", "start_time": "1:09:39", "text": "But what's the truth?" }, { "end_time": "1:10:00", "start_time": "1:09:40", "text": "I often tell this to people who I've been called for a couple of other talks and I often tell people that you go to Kashmir now, you can sail down in a shikara, you can go anywhere you feel like and you tend to forget the effort, the toil, the loss of blood that has gone into making this where you cannot go anywhere in Kashmir." }, { "end_time": "1:10:06", "start_time": "1:10:00", "text": "It's so peaceful, so safe, barring Pulwama and, you know, they've always been a hot belt." }, { "end_time": "1:10:18", "start_time": "1:10:06", "text": "And the example I gave is, that in my time, you when you trust Putney Top, you cocked your weapon and you started scanning the hillside." }, { "end_time": "1:10:25", "start_time": "1:10:19", "text": "And I recall the SP Kopara coming to call on us in the low lab." }, { "end_time": "1:10:34", "start_time": "1:10:26", "text": "And like you would call on someone, you'd probably carry a box of chocolates, sweets, or whatever, flowers." }, { "end_time": "1:10:47", "start_time": "1:10:36", "text": "Now the SP Saab drops in, and he's carrying grenades, loose ammunition, and the reaction from the officer standing there." }, { "end_time": "1:10:49", "start_time": "1:10:48", "text": "SP Saab." }, { "end_time": "1:10:57", "start_time": "1:10:52", "text": "And when he left, you know, as a parting gift, he was given some empty vaccines, a pistol or whatever." }, { "end_time": "1:10:59", "start_time": "1:10:58", "text": "Now I just give this example." }, { "end_time": "1:11:01", "start_time": "1:10:59", "text": "Look at look at the culture then." }, { "end_time": "1:11:10", "start_time": "1:11:01", "text": "The SP is calling on you and instead of getting any mithai or anything, this guy is presenting ordinance, arms, ammunition or whatever." }, { "end_time": "1:11:18", "start_time": "1:11:10", "text": "And the joke used to be in the Lulaab that, be careful when you till your land because you don't know whose cache you might just unearth." }, { "end_time": "1:11:27", "start_time": "1:11:19", "text": "I guess every man has gone every boy of fighting age has gone across and got trained and carried a weapon." }, { "end_time": "1:11:31", "start_time": "1:11:28", "text": "It was packed with weapons." }, { "end_time": "1:11:34", "start_time": "1:11:31", "text": "The pakis had really pushed in a lot of stuff, lot of stuff." }, { "end_time": "1:11:40", "start_time": "1:11:35", "text": "But from those days to now, what an amazing change." }, { "end_time": "1:11:43", "start_time": "1:11:41", "text": "And it's been a gradual cleanup." }, { "end_time": "1:11:44", "start_time": "1:11:43", "text": "Of course, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:11:46", "start_time": "1:11:44", "text": "It's taken it's taken a lot of time." }, { "end_time": "1:11:51", "start_time": "1:11:46", "text": "Do you have a timeline on when Kashmir will be conflict free or are we not looking at a conflict free scenario?" }, { "end_time": "1:12:01", "start_time": "1:11:52", "text": "3 seventies come in, which has been removed, and that has not been viewed by a lot of people locally as something which is good for them." }, { "end_time": "1:12:08", "start_time": "1:12:01", "text": "And it takes only a decade, I think, before they see the benefits of coming of things coming in from the center." }, { "end_time": "1:12:10", "start_time": "1:12:08", "text": "The elections have to happen." }, { "end_time": "1:12:19", "start_time": "1:12:10", "text": "They need to then have a bunch of politicians or leaders who look at the larger interest of the of the state." }, { "end_time": "1:12:24", "start_time": "1:12:20", "text": "So far, just the 3, 4 families who are playing around treating it as their own fiefdom." }, { "end_time": "1:12:29", "start_time": "1:12:25", "text": "It was more economics of politics." }, { "end_time": "1:12:36", "start_time": "1:12:30", "text": "Money is being pumped in, money is going to a few buckets, militancy is on, just carries on and on and on." }, { "end_time": "1:12:38", "start_time": "1:12:36", "text": "Nobody wants to stir the pot." }, { "end_time": "1:12:40", "start_time": "1:12:38", "text": "This has stirred the pot now." }, { "end_time": "1:12:50", "start_time": "1:12:40", "text": "And I think we should see moment the mindset changes, moment the average Kashmiri understands that integrating with the rest of the country matters." }, { "end_time": "1:12:53", "start_time": "1:12:50", "text": "And and I think it'll change." }, { "end_time": "1:12:54", "start_time": "1:12:53", "text": "It's already changing." }, { "end_time": "1:12:59", "start_time": "1:12:55", "text": "There's been a couple of changes in my own mind over the course of doing so many military podcasts." }, { "end_time": "1:13:03", "start_time": "1:13:00", "text": "One is that each episode builds perspective in a very deep way." }, { "end_time": "1:13:10", "start_time": "1:13:05", "text": "And that perspective has taught me that our nation is guarded by the best of the best." }, { "end_time": "1:13:16", "start_time": "1:13:10", "text": "Like, I think the Indian population as a whole kind of underestimates the power of its own armed forces in general." }, { "end_time": "1:13:20", "start_time": "1:13:17", "text": "I would especially like to highlight special forces here, but armed forces in general." }, { "end_time": "1:13:23", "start_time": "1:13:21", "text": "But one of the strongest militaries in the world." }, { "end_time": "1:13:35", "start_time": "1:13:24", "text": "The second big change is I have become aware of the dangers around me and my family, and I'm speaking here as a very primal version of myself." }, { "end_time": "1:13:44", "start_time": "1:13:36", "text": "In terms of we don't live in a completely safe world, but the fact that we have the kind of armed forces we have, it gives a lot of civilians hope and security." }, { "end_time": "1:13:46", "start_time": "1:13:45", "text": "Like, we feel like we're in a safe country." }, { "end_time": "1:13:48", "start_time": "1:13:46", "text": "Well, glad to hear that." }, { "end_time": "1:13:48", "start_time": "1:13:48", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:13:49", "start_time": "1:13:48", "text": "And Glad to hear that." }, { "end_time": "1:13:52", "start_time": "1:13:50", "text": "You know, I think with the podcast, this is the intention." }, { "end_time": "1:13:55", "start_time": "1:13:53", "text": "I wish to put out the truth out there." }, { "end_time": "1:13:59", "start_time": "1:13:56", "text": "So, sir, firstly, big salute to you." }, { "end_time": "1:14:00", "start_time": "1:13:59", "text": "I'm sorry I'm not standing." }, { "end_time": "1:14:03", "start_time": "1:14:01", "text": "Oh, I salute you also, Ranveer, for doing a good job." }, { "end_time": "1:14:06", "start_time": "1:14:03", "text": "You're doing more branding than the army does for itself." }, { "end_time": "1:14:20", "start_time": "1:14:07", "text": "And if, through your broadcast podcast, you have a bunch of youngsters who joined the army, saved the nation, you've done it." }, { "end_time": "1:14:23", "start_time": "1:14:20", "text": "If you've got a distribution channel like this, you better use it for the right stuff." }, { "end_time": "1:14:24", "start_time": "1:14:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:14:24", "start_time": "1:14:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:14:26", "start_time": "1:14:24", "text": "This I think it's a it's a good thing you were doing." }, { "end_time": "1:14:28", "start_time": "1:14:26", "text": "It's a good thing that you're doing." }, { "end_time": "1:14:38", "start_time": "1:14:28", "text": "And I'm told I'm so in my time, there used to be just 4, 5, 3, 4, 5 people volunteering for the SF in the entire passing out of 3 or 400 cadets." }, { "end_time": "1:14:41", "start_time": "1:14:38", "text": "Now I'm told, the response is much better." }, { "end_time": "1:14:44", "start_time": "1:14:41", "text": "There's a lot of bunch of youngsters who want to join the SF." }, { "end_time": "1:14:45", "start_time": "1:14:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:14:46", "start_time": "1:14:45", "text": "Very good." }, { "end_time": "1:14:52", "start_time": "1:14:46", "text": "I mean, we're just adding to the strong branding of the strong product, which is the military." }, { "end_time": "1:14:57", "start_time": "1:14:52", "text": "But that's one thing I wanna thank you for, for serving our nation as a soldier, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:15:01", "start_time": "1:14:57", "text": "But the other thing is, on a very human level, thanks for the brotherly conversation." }, { "end_time": "1:15:04", "start_time": "1:15:02", "text": "This was a lot of fun speaking to you." }, { "end_time": "1:15:09", "start_time": "1:15:04", "text": "Very easy to speak to, and I I thought I knew a lot about the s seven." }, { "end_time": "1:15:11", "start_time": "1:15:09", "text": "Then I meet people like you who just keep adding layers." }, { "end_time": "1:15:18", "start_time": "1:15:12", "text": "So what I gained from today's conversation is the whole emotional side of it, honestly." }, { "end_time": "1:15:22", "start_time": "1:15:18", "text": "Not too many people speak for firing and Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:15:24", "start_time": "1:15:23", "text": "That's that's always there in BASF." }, { "end_time": "1:15:25", "start_time": "1:15:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:15:27", "start_time": "1:15:25", "text": "There's an emotional side also." }, { "end_time": "1:15:27", "start_time": "1:15:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:15:33", "start_time": "1:15:27", "text": "And that's what's in it for a lot of listeners who probably may not ever join the military, but are learning from every word that you speak, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:15:39", "start_time": "1:15:34", "text": "So done a huge thing by, like, helping a lot of young dudes with the healing process." }, { "end_time": "1:15:39", "start_time": "1:15:39", "text": "That's what I'll say." }, { "end_time": "1:15:40", "start_time": "1:15:39", "text": "Thank you very much, Nuneet." }, { "end_time": "1:15:42", "start_time": "1:15:40", "text": "It's been a pleasure talking to you." }, { "end_time": "1:15:43", "start_time": "1:15:42", "text": "Hope people enjoy." }, { "end_time": "1:15:44", "start_time": "1:15:43", "text": "Likewise." }, { "end_time": "1:15:47", "start_time": "1:15:44", "text": "And I hope to have you on the show again very soon." }, { "end_time": "1:15:49", "start_time": "1:15:48", "text": "Inshallah, as they say." }, { "end_time": "1:15:50", "start_time": "1:15:50", "text": "Inshallah." }, { "end_time": "1:15:51", "start_time": "1:15:50", "text": "Appreciate it, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:15:52", "start_time": "1:15:51", "text": "Jahan." }, { "end_time": "1:15:52", "start_time": "1:15:52", "text": "Jahan." }, { "end_time": "1:15:52", "start_time": "1:15:52", "text": "Jahan." }, { "end_time": "1:15:53", "start_time": "1:15:52", "text": "Thank you very much." }, { "end_time": "1:15:56", "start_time": "1:15:54", "text": "That was the episode for today." }, { "end_time": "1:16:09", "start_time": "1:15:56", "text": "What I will definitely say is that when we do these Parasoft podcasts, when we do the military podcasts, we can't give you guys the entire unfiltered conversation because sometimes it's a little too long." }, { "end_time": "1:16:19", "start_time": "1:16:09", "text": "That's why the unfiltered sections of this particular episode, just like all our episodes, are uploaded on TRS clips, our highlights channel for this podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:16:21", "start_time": "1:16:19", "text": "I'll be linking it down below." }, { "end_time": "1:16:25", "start_time": "1:16:21", "text": "I'll also be linking some of our other special forces episodes." }, { "end_time": "1:16:26", "start_time": "1:16:25", "text": "I hope you enjoy them." }, { "end_time": "1:16:29", "start_time": "1:16:27", "text": "For more episodes just like this, make sure you follow us on Spotify." }, { "end_time": "1:16:34", "start_time": "1:16:29", "text": "Every episode is available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world." }, { "end_time": "1:16:38", "start_time": "1:16:34", "text": "With every military episode, I learn a little bit more about the military." }, { "end_time": "1:16:43", "start_time": "1:16:38", "text": "But I think we've reached a point now where I want suggestions from you in terms of questions." }, { "end_time": "1:16:49", "start_time": "1:16:44", "text": "What other aspects of the military life would you want covered on TRS?" }, { "end_time": "1:16:50", "start_time": "1:16:49", "text": "Let us know." }, { "end_time": "1:16:52", "start_time": "1:16:50", "text": "Drop your suggestions, and we'll be back soon." } ] }

[ { "content": "**Task Description:** \nYou are provided with a YouTube video transcript in JSON format, where each entry is synchronized with its respective timestamp. This transcript contains the spoken text along with its start and end times. Your objective is to generate high-quality, chapter-wise segments that accurately represent key points or transitions within the video.\n\n**Transcript JSON Format:** \nThe transcript is formatted as a list of dictionaries, where each dictionary represents a spoken sentence, including its text and corresponding start and end times.\n\n**Example Transcript:** \n```json\n[\n {\n \"text\": \"The narrative in the public eye is that you left working with the Modi government because your opinions weren't heard.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:07\"\n },\n {\n \"text\": \"I want to know your side of the story.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:08\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:10\"\n },\n ...\n]\n```\n\n**Your Task:** \nUsing the given transcript, generate a JSON output that breaks down the video into meaningful chapters. Each chapter should encapsulate a key segment of the video and be accompanied by a concise, informative title that reflects the essence of that segment.\n\n**Chapter JSON Format:** \nThe output should follow this structure:\n```json\n{\n \"chapters\": [\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"title\": \"Introduction and Opening Remarks\"\n },\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:07\",\n \"title\": \"Discussing the Exit from Modi Government\"\n },\n ...\n ]\n}\n```\n\n**Requirements:** \n1. **Identify Key Segments:** Extract significant portions of the transcript that represent shifts in topic, important discussions, or transitions in conversation.\n2. **Craft Informative Titles:** Each chapter title should be clear, engaging, and directly related to the content covered in that segment.\n3. **Preserve Time Stamps:** Ensure that each chapter's `start_time` corresponds to the first instance of a key topic or segment in the transcript.\n4. **Conciseness is Key:** While titles should be descriptive, avoid making them overly lengthy. Aim for a balance between informativeness and brevity.", "role": "system" }, { "content": "{'transcripts': array([{'end_time': '0:04', 'start_time': '0:00', 'text': \"See, the the most dangerous fighter is the guy who's intelligent and motivated.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:10', 'start_time': '0:05', 'text': \"And if he's trained and unleashed on a terrain of his own choosing, he's the most dangerous man.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:16', 'start_time': '0:10', 'text': 'And as the special the American special forces say, right man in the right job is the most devastating weapon.'},\n ...,\n {'end_time': '1:16:49', 'start_time': '1:16:44', 'text': 'What other aspects of the military life would you want covered on TRS?'},\n {'end_time': '1:16:50', 'start_time': '1:16:49', 'text': 'Let us know.'},\n {'end_time': '1:16:52', 'start_time': '1:16:50', 'text': \"Drop your suggestions, and we'll be back soon.\"}],\n dtype=object)}", "role": "user" }, { "content": "{'chapters': array([{'start_time': '0:00', 'title': 'Introduction'},\n {'start_time': '2:53', 'title': 'Special forces mindset'},\n {'start_time': '7:40', 'title': 'Unconventional Missions'},\n {'start_time': '9:33', 'title': 'The Sri Lankan war'},\n {'start_time': '32:25', 'title': 'Experiences'},\n {'start_time': '34:00', 'title': 'US Marines & SF'},\n {'start_time': '37:00', 'title': 'Activities in SF'},\n {'start_time': '40:00', 'title': 'Living as a civilian'},\n {'start_time': '45:44', 'title': 'PTSD in army professionals'},\n {'start_time': '52:20', 'title': 'Animal Encounters'},\n {'start_time': '1:02:00', 'title': 'Hand-to-hand combat'},\n {'start_time': '1:04:41', 'title': 'Crazy experiences'}],\n dtype=object)}", "role": "assistant" } ]

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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:07", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "The best part about running this podcast is the opportunities that I get to speak to members of the defense forces of this country." }, { "end_time": "0:28", "start_time": "0:07", "text": "During a week where the country is collectively mourning the loss of general Bipin Rawat and everyone who's with him in that fatal helicopter crash, We got a chance to record this particular episode with major general GD Bakshi who's given us a fantastic Hindi episode on a Hindi podcast, but this particular one was targeted towards urban audiences primarily." }, { "end_time": "0:34", "start_time": "0:29", "text": "This is the Indian Army's message for Indian youth, for the average Indian citizen." }, { "end_time": "0:42", "start_time": "0:34", "text": "Of course, we spoke about the helicopter crash, but we also spoke about the past, present, and the future of the Indian Army." }, { "end_time": "0:50", "start_time": "0:42", "text": "So if you're someone like me who enjoys knowing more about the Indian Army, about the Defense Forces in general, you'll enjoy this episode." }, { "end_time": "0:54", "start_time": "0:51", "text": "Remember, guys, we also have a highlights channel." }, { "end_time": "0:58", "start_time": "0:54", "text": "It's a separate YouTube channel where you'll only find the highlights of this podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:00", "start_time": "0:58", "text": "It's called TRS clips." }, { "end_time": "1:02", "start_time": "1:00", "text": "Also, remember to follow us on Spotify." }, { "end_time": "1:11", "start_time": "1:03", "text": "TRS is a Spotify exclusive now, which means that every episode is available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world." }, { "end_time": "1:20", "start_time": "1:11", "text": "This is Major General GD Bakshi who returns on the Ranveer show with a very fiery, very impactful episode." }, { "end_time": "1:21", "start_time": "1:20", "text": "Jai Hind." }, { "end_time": "1:40", "start_time": "1:37", "text": "General major G d Bakshi, sir, welcome back to the Renveesh show." }, { "end_time": "1:45", "start_time": "1:40", "text": "You've given us an absolutely fantastic episode on our Hindi channel." }, { "end_time": "1:48", "start_time": "1:45", "text": "We're very, very honored to have you back on the English show, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:50", "start_time": "1:49", "text": "Thank you for having me." }, { "end_time": "2:01", "start_time": "1:52", "text": "Sir, the nation is collectively mourning the loss of, 11 of its great sons, including general Bipin Rawat, sir." }, { "end_time": "2:08", "start_time": "2:02", "text": "You know, we even had to postpone the recording of this podcast because of whatever happened this past week." }, { "end_time": "2:12", "start_time": "2:09", "text": "So what's the general sentiment in the Indian army?" }, { "end_time": "2:14", "start_time": "2:12", "text": "Like what's happening on ground right now?" }, { "end_time": "2:21", "start_time": "2:15", "text": "I know that you knew general Raul personally, so, I can't even imagine what you are going through yourself." }, { "end_time": "2:24", "start_time": "2:21", "text": "We'd love to hear what you have to say about the situation." }, { "end_time": "2:31", "start_time": "2:25", "text": "You know, it has been a monumental national tragedy of massive proportions." }, { "end_time": "2:34", "start_time": "2:32", "text": "We've lost General Vipin Rawat." }, { "end_time": "2:36", "start_time": "2:35", "text": "We've lost the lady." }, { "end_time": "2:42", "start_time": "2:37", "text": "And we've lost, you know, some very brilliant officers on his staff and his guard." }, { "end_time": "2:45", "start_time": "2:42", "text": "His entire entourage went down with that helicopter." }, { "end_time": "2:53", "start_time": "2:45", "text": "Only there is only one survivor who is battling for his life right now, group captain from the air force who was an instructor at the staff college." }, { "end_time": "2:57", "start_time": "2:54", "text": "It has been a massive tragedy and a great blow." }, { "end_time": "3:07", "start_time": "2:58", "text": "General Bipin Rawat was the chief of the army staff, and he went on to be India's first chief of defense staff." }, { "end_time": "3:08", "start_time": "3:07", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "3:09", "start_time": "3:08", "text": "He was a combat soldier." }, { "end_time": "3:14", "start_time": "3:10", "text": "After one assignment, after another, he had been in combat." }, { "end_time": "3:24", "start_time": "3:14", "text": "You know, whether in J and K, 2, 3, tenures, he had served as a, brigade commander of the RR sector in the valley." }, { "end_time": "3:28", "start_time": "3:24", "text": "Then he was on the Udi, on the line of control, commanding a division." }, { "end_time": "3:32", "start_time": "3:29", "text": "Earlier than that, he has been in a number of other combat assignments." }, { "end_time": "3:35", "start_time": "3:33", "text": "He had served in the northeast, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "3:38", "start_time": "3:36", "text": "You know, his decorations say it all." }, { "end_time": "3:40", "start_time": "3:38", "text": "Vishisiva medal." }, { "end_time": "3:42", "start_time": "3:40", "text": "Uttam yudseva medal." }, { "end_time": "3:44", "start_time": "3:42", "text": "Ati wishesseva medal." }, { "end_time": "3:46", "start_time": "3:44", "text": "Yudseva medal." }, { "end_time": "3:47", "start_time": "3:46", "text": "Sena medal." }, { "end_time": "3:48", "start_time": "3:47", "text": "Vishseva medal." }, { "end_time": "3:49", "start_time": "3:48", "text": "My God." }, { "end_time": "3:51", "start_time": "3:49", "text": "That's quite a chest full of ribbons." }, { "end_time": "3:54", "start_time": "3:52", "text": "Quite a chest full of ribbons, you know." }, { "end_time": "3:58", "start_time": "3:54", "text": "And, he was, he was a soldier's soldier." }, { "end_time": "4:02", "start_time": "3:59", "text": "He had been in combat, seen it all, done it all." }, { "end_time": "4:11", "start_time": "4:02", "text": "And I don't think that, you know, it's very right for anybody to aspire to be the chief unless he has had solid extensive combat experience." }, { "end_time": "4:17", "start_time": "4:12", "text": "He has experienced the fog of war, taking, you know, calls in the fog of war." }, { "end_time": "4:19", "start_time": "4:18", "text": "So he had that all." }, { "end_time": "4:38", "start_time": "4:20", "text": "I was very privileged that I was posted as an instructor in the Indian Military Academy from 1977 to 1988, when during this period he was a gentleman cadet at the IMA under training, and I had the privilege to impart him training." }, { "end_time": "4:42", "start_time": "4:39", "text": "And, he had earned the sword of honor there." }, { "end_time": "4:44", "start_time": "4:42", "text": "He had earned the sword of honor there." }, { "end_time": "4:48", "start_time": "4:44", "text": "And, we knew he was cut out for great things." }, { "end_time": "4:57", "start_time": "4:49", "text": "Because he was, you know, showing very early signs of all that he would achieve subsequently in life." }, { "end_time": "5:01", "start_time": "4:57", "text": "So we had marked him out as, you know, separate from the rest." }, { "end_time": "5:13", "start_time": "5:01", "text": "And, it was very satisfying to see, the growth, professional growth and rise of one of your students, one of your cadets, you know, as a instructor." }, { "end_time": "5:15", "start_time": "5:14", "text": "It was a great privilege for me." }, { "end_time": "5:18", "start_time": "5:16", "text": "He was a very he was a 2nd generation soldier." }, { "end_time": "5:22", "start_time": "5:18", "text": "His father was a general in the army too, a lieutenant general." }, { "end_time": "5:25", "start_time": "5:22", "text": "And, he served in the Gulkar rifle." }, { "end_time": "5:29", "start_time": "5:25", "text": "He was an infantry officer, salt of this earth, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "5:37", "start_time": "5:30", "text": "Very bright, very brilliant, very future oriented, very much change oriented." }, { "end_time": "5:44", "start_time": "5:38", "text": "You see, good officer is one who has an aura of creative change around him, You know?" }, { "end_time": "5:47", "start_time": "5:44", "text": "So he was he was, he was brilliant." }, { "end_time": "5:51", "start_time": "5:49", "text": "His going, therefore, is a personal loss." }, { "end_time": "5:54", "start_time": "5:52", "text": "I knew him very well." }, { "end_time": "5:59", "start_time": "5:54", "text": "Even after the, you know, the academy, his training got over, we kept in touch." }, { "end_time": "6:02", "start_time": "6:00", "text": "Our paths kept crossing at numerous places." }, { "end_time": "6:09", "start_time": "6:02", "text": "When I was commanding a battalion in Cargill, he was in the military operations directorate where I had served previously." }, { "end_time": "6:12", "start_time": "6:09", "text": "He had come with the DGMO to visit my battalion." }, { "end_time": "6:14", "start_time": "6:12", "text": "We had met after ages." }, { "end_time": "6:18", "start_time": "6:14", "text": "And then we continued our paths continued to cross when he was the vice chief." }, { "end_time": "6:38", "start_time": "6:18", "text": "When he became the vice chief, then, you know, we met at a function, and then he requested me to, sort of come and meet him and, used to occasionally call call me, take my inputs, advice, consult me on various professional issues, take my views, and he was gracious enough." }, { "end_time": "6:48", "start_time": "6:38", "text": "I was I was, now, of course, he was, 3, 2 2, 3 ranks above 2 ranks above me then, and thereafter, 4 ranks above me." }, { "end_time": "6:50", "start_time": "6:48", "text": "But he was gracious enough to an old instructor." }, { "end_time": "7:01", "start_time": "6:50", "text": "He would get up from his office chair and come and receive me at the at the door and take me, sit down and discuss, take notes, and act on them." }, { "end_time": "7:19", "start_time": "7:01", "text": "So we had a very, very, what shall I say, very productive kind of a relationship in which I could put in my 2 pennies worth even after retirement, and it was very, very pleasant to be to be listened to with so much of attention and regard." }, { "end_time": "7:24", "start_time": "7:21", "text": "He was a man in a hurry." }, { "end_time": "7:26", "start_time": "7:25", "text": "Like I said, he was change oriented." }, { "end_time": "7:49", "start_time": "7:27", "text": "After he successfully commanded the Indian Army as a chief, and in his time, he launched proactive operations, cross border operations into Myanmar, And then he was there in chair when the Udi operations went into the surgical strike by our special forces 2, 3 kilometers inside occupied Kashmir." }, { "end_time": "7:54", "start_time": "7:49", "text": "And, then, of course, he was there during the Balakot time." }, { "end_time": "7:59", "start_time": "7:54", "text": "Also, he became the chief of defense staff, India's first chief of defense staff." }, { "end_time": "8:11", "start_time": "8:00", "text": "He has left an indelible impact upon our military acquisition process that was mired, steeped in delays." }, { "end_time": "8:24", "start_time": "8:12", "text": "Bureaucratic red tape, just wasting time amounting to nothing and critical time because you can't let, military acquisition projects language for decades." }, { "end_time": "8:26", "start_time": "8:25", "text": "Not years, decades." }, { "end_time": "8:29", "start_time": "8:28", "text": "He changed all that." }, { "end_time": "8:34", "start_time": "8:29", "text": "He designed his next job himself, the chief of defense staff job." }, { "end_time": "8:41", "start_time": "8:34", "text": "He was given the powers of a secretary of the government of India, and that gave him the financial powers to do this." }, { "end_time": "8:45", "start_time": "8:41", "text": "He integrated, really, the Ministry of Defense with the military." }, { "end_time": "8:52", "start_time": "8:45", "text": "He brought in uniform soldiers there, opened up military affairs bureau there, and headed that bureau." }, { "end_time": "9:02", "start_time": "8:52", "text": "He worked very closely with the national security adviser, mister Doval, and he also worked very closely with the prime minister, the top of the political establishment." }, { "end_time": "9:05", "start_time": "9:02", "text": "He had their trust and faith and their ear." }, { "end_time": "9:07", "start_time": "9:05", "text": "So he could push through a lot of projects." }, { "end_time": "9:14", "start_time": "9:08", "text": "You see, this, whole arms acquisition process, he revolutionized." }, { "end_time": "9:15", "start_time": "9:15", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "9:17", "start_time": "9:15", "text": "Revolutionized this process." }, { "end_time": "9:29", "start_time": "9:17", "text": "And, to the extent that, you know, when China, created problems for us last year, Within a matter of months, he got us 3 squadrons of, you know, fighter aircraft." }, { "end_time": "9:33", "start_time": "9:30", "text": "A squadron of Sukhois, 2 squadrons of MiG 20 nines." }, { "end_time": "9:42", "start_time": "9:34", "text": "And, because the he was the chief of defense staff, he got in the bay navy big 20 nines, you know, moved them up towards Ladakh." }, { "end_time": "9:44", "start_time": "9:43", "text": "So he synergized." }, { "end_time": "9:52", "start_time": "9:45", "text": "He synergized operation, used Marco's commandos and the others for operations against the Chinese." }, { "end_time": "9:55", "start_time": "9:53", "text": "He got in the Rafales." }, { "end_time": "9:57", "start_time": "9:55", "text": "They came in his time." }, { "end_time": "10:01", "start_time": "9:57", "text": "He, you know, the s 400 missiles have come in his time." }, { "end_time": "10:03", "start_time": "10:02", "text": "A missile system, a game changer." }, { "end_time": "10:06", "start_time": "10:04", "text": "The assault rifle has come in his time." }, { "end_time": "10:08", "start_time": "10:06", "text": "So he has left an enduring legacy." }, { "end_time": "10:16", "start_time": "10:09", "text": "He there were a lot of controversy around him because he was a man in a hurry, very keen to bring about sweeping reforms and changes." }, { "end_time": "10:22", "start_time": "10:17", "text": "Now there were people who felt, you know, he wanted to integrate the 3 services." }, { "end_time": "10:28", "start_time": "10:22", "text": "There are 17 different single service headquarters, command level headquarters." }, { "end_time": "10:28", "start_time": "10:28", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "10:38", "start_time": "10:28", "text": "So he wanted to reduce them to just 4 theater commands On the American model, on the Chinese model, he wanted to reduce them to 4 theater commands." }, { "end_time": "10:47", "start_time": "10:38", "text": "People were very worried, very frightened that, you know, China is threatening us, Pakistan is threatening us, There is the Taliban in Afghanistan." }, { "end_time": "10:50", "start_time": "10:47", "text": "There are Turkey trying to create problems for us." }, { "end_time": "10:51", "start_time": "10:50", "text": "There are the Maoists." }, { "end_time": "10:56", "start_time": "10:51", "text": "There are the jihadists, and all these anti national elements within the country." }, { "end_time": "11:05", "start_time": "10:56", "text": "So at such a grim national security scenario, should we be creating organizational turbulence of our own?" }, { "end_time": "11:09", "start_time": "11:05", "text": "Should we be bringing in such massive across the board changes?" }, { "end_time": "11:11", "start_time": "11:10", "text": "But he stuck to his gun." }, { "end_time": "11:19", "start_time": "11:12", "text": "He stuck to his guns, and you need great moral courage and will power to do that in the face of trenchant opposition." }, { "end_time": "11:23", "start_time": "11:20", "text": "And, he did that remarkably well." }, { "end_time": "11:25", "start_time": "11:23", "text": "I we used to discuss very often." }, { "end_time": "11:35", "start_time": "11:25", "text": "Yes, of course, we had our professional differences, but he was a remarkable and, very he did justice to the job of the chief of defense staff." }, { "end_time": "11:37", "start_time": "11:36", "text": "So that's about general Rawat." }, { "end_time": "11:42", "start_time": "11:38", "text": "So it's men like this that have built out the great legacy of army." }, { "end_time": "11:44", "start_time": "11:43", "text": "People who are proactive." }, { "end_time": "11:45", "start_time": "11:44", "text": "People who are patriotic." }, { "end_time": "11:49", "start_time": "11:46", "text": "People who are, brave in the face of attacks." }, { "end_time": "11:49", "start_time": "11:49", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "11:52", "start_time": "11:49", "text": "People who developed counterattack, strategies." }, { "end_time": "12:04", "start_time": "11:54", "text": "So the one advantage we have as podcasters running our own independent media channels is that we can talk about things that television can never talk about, which is what I want to ask you." }, { "end_time": "12:14", "start_time": "12:04", "text": "I feel like we represent the people and there has been a lot of public chatter on social media about, you know, for lack of a better word conspiracy theories about this crash." }, { "end_time": "12:19", "start_time": "12:15", "text": "I'd love to know what the army, has to say specifically about the crash." }, { "end_time": "12:19", "start_time": "12:19", "text": "Why did it happen?" }, { "end_time": "12:22", "start_time": "12:19", "text": "Because there's a lot of research being done about the helicopters used." }, { "end_time": "12:25", "start_time": "12:23", "text": "There's research being done about cybercrime." }, { "end_time": "12:31", "start_time": "12:25", "text": "There are questions being asked about, China's role possibly in this." }, { "end_time": "12:33", "start_time": "12:31", "text": "Is any of this true?" }, { "end_time": "12:37", "start_time": "12:33", "text": "And, is it even fair to bring up these allegations, sir?" }, { "end_time": "12:53", "start_time": "12:39", "text": "Look, the simple fact is that, to really answer this question, it would be very prudent and professional to first wait for the outcome of the court of inquiry." }, { "end_time": "13:03", "start_time": "12:54", "text": "The black box, the data recorder, voice recorder, which is installed in every aircraft, and that is as the crucial clues to what really happened." }, { "end_time": "13:10", "start_time": "13:03", "text": "Unless you analyze what is there in the data voice recorder and that black box as it is called, actually, it is painted orange." }, { "end_time": "13:12", "start_time": "13:11", "text": "That has been recovered." }, { "end_time": "13:17", "start_time": "13:12", "text": "There is a air marshal, level quote of inquiry which has been ordered." }, { "end_time": "13:19", "start_time": "13:17", "text": "The the tri service quote of inquiry." }, { "end_time": "13:23", "start_time": "13:20", "text": "They're all going into it as to how exactly it happened." }, { "end_time": "13:27", "start_time": "13:23", "text": "The b 17 v is a very sturdy machine." }, { "end_time": "13:33", "start_time": "13:27", "text": "I personally have done 5 Elibon operations that otherwise flowed plenty of times with this helicopter." }, { "end_time": "13:39", "start_time": "13:33", "text": "One of my post was being detained by b 17 helicopters when I was a brigade commander in Kistawar." }, { "end_time": "13:44", "start_time": "13:39", "text": "And almost every second week, I used to take flights with that helicopter at, Kistawar." }, { "end_time": "13:48", "start_time": "13:45", "text": "Very high altitude mountains and all that." }, { "end_time": "13:50", "start_time": "13:48", "text": "This machine worked beautifully." }, { "end_time": "13:51", "start_time": "13:50", "text": "We did not see a single crash." }, { "end_time": "13:56", "start_time": "13:52", "text": "It's a very sturdy Russian machine, very rugged, very tough twin engine." }, { "end_time": "14:01", "start_time": "13:57", "text": "So the it's not, that it was a vintage aircraft then." }, { "end_time": "14:08", "start_time": "14:01", "text": "It was a VVIP aircraft flown by a very highly qualified selected crew." }, { "end_time": "14:20", "start_time": "14:11", "text": "So I don't think, really of course, we'd have to await the quote of inquiry that, technical snag was the really the problem." }, { "end_time": "14:27", "start_time": "14:21", "text": "Now in the mountains that I've and, you know, luckily, I have served in, Wellington." }, { "end_time": "14:30", "start_time": "14:27", "text": "That is Kudur is just, next door town." }, { "end_time": "14:30", "start_time": "14:30", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "14:33", "start_time": "14:31", "text": "And I served there for three and a half years." }, { "end_time": "14:34", "start_time": "14:33", "text": "I drove that area backwards." }, { "end_time": "14:39", "start_time": "14:34", "text": "I had my house just overlooking that, helipad, you know." }, { "end_time": "14:43", "start_time": "14:40", "text": "So, the Dalgiris are not very high." }, { "end_time": "14:46", "start_time": "14:44", "text": "Just about 6, 7,000 feet." }, { "end_time": "14:50", "start_time": "14:46", "text": "But it's a very steep climb and it's densely forested." }, { "end_time": "14:51", "start_time": "14:50", "text": "Very densely forested." }, { "end_time": "14:56", "start_time": "14:52", "text": "And the weather is very mercurial like all hill stations." }, { "end_time": "15:01", "start_time": "14:56", "text": "Suddenly, the the cloud it will be bright and shiny and clear and suddenly the clouds will come up." }, { "end_time": "15:03", "start_time": "15:01", "text": "At least the hilltops would be all obscured." }, { "end_time": "15:11", "start_time": "15:04", "text": "Now what happens is when you rise, there are, 2 protocols in in terms of flight." }, { "end_time": "15:17", "start_time": "15:11", "text": "Either you fly by instrument, you know, or you fly by visual." }, { "end_time": "15:26", "start_time": "15:18", "text": "You know, that means pilot uses his eyes to detect, obstacles and avoid collision." }, { "end_time": "15:27", "start_time": "15:26", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "15:31", "start_time": "15:27", "text": "Otherwise, if it is souped up from the beginning, you do instrument flying." }, { "end_time": "15:39", "start_time": "15:32", "text": "Instrument flying means your radar tell you, your altimeters tell you how high or low you are and, what is up ahead." }, { "end_time": "15:42", "start_time": "15:39", "text": "If there is an obstruction up ahead, the radar pings you." }, { "end_time": "15:50", "start_time": "15:43", "text": "So when the weather is clear and when they took off from Solur, that is near Coimbatore, the weather was bright and fine." }, { "end_time": "15:51", "start_time": "15:51", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "15:54", "start_time": "15:51", "text": "It's sad that started climbing up in those 10 minutes." }, { "end_time": "15:58", "start_time": "15:54", "text": "Suddenly, the top of the hills were all obscured by clouds." }, { "end_time": "16:08", "start_time": "15:59", "text": "Now when that happened suddenly, that means he must have been on on, line of sight on a fly by visual, you know, kind of a configuration." }, { "end_time": "16:21", "start_time": "16:09", "text": "And I don't think he would have had the time to switch or may not have wanted to switch to instrument, flying because it was just, I think light cloud cover over the hills." }, { "end_time": "16:25", "start_time": "16:21", "text": "But that light cloud cover covers the hilltop." }, { "end_time": "16:41", "start_time": "16:26", "text": "So when the helicopter is coming up and taking a bank over the hill to get to the valley to land at the, helipad, then, you know, you, may miss out some of the tall trees because you can't see them." }, { "end_time": "16:44", "start_time": "16:42", "text": "You just can't see them." }, { "end_time": "16:46", "start_time": "16:44", "text": "And you don't have the instruments to detect them." }, { "end_time": "16:48", "start_time": "16:46", "text": "But there are trees a 150 feet tall." }, { "end_time": "16:51", "start_time": "16:48", "text": "I've seen that, you know, 80, 90 feet tall." }, { "end_time": "16:52", "start_time": "16:51", "text": "Those, jackfruit trees." }, { "end_time": "16:53", "start_time": "16:52", "text": "Very tall." }, { "end_time": "16:54", "start_time": "16:54", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "17:04", "start_time": "16:55", "text": "So, one theory is that he hit one of the trees, and the helicopter crashed instantly." }, { "end_time": "17:06", "start_time": "17:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:14", "start_time": "17:06", "text": "And because the whole area was so densely forested, you know, the fire tenders could reach." }, { "end_time": "17:15", "start_time": "17:14", "text": "The ambulances could reach." }, { "end_time": "17:20", "start_time": "17:15", "text": "It took them, a lot of time to get off the road and get there and this thing." }, { "end_time": "17:23", "start_time": "17:20", "text": "So the fire could not be put out in time." }, { "end_time": "17:27", "start_time": "17:23", "text": "The the helicopter was carrying fuel for the return journey also." }, { "end_time": "17:29", "start_time": "17:27", "text": "So it was really laden with fuel." }, { "end_time": "17:34", "start_time": "17:30", "text": "High octane fuel and the movement helicopters crashes, they come down like a stone." }, { "end_time": "17:37", "start_time": "17:35", "text": "And, huge fire started." }, { "end_time": "17:45", "start_time": "17:37", "text": "So, that if the fire detectors had reached early, possibly we would have been able to save more people, but that didn't happen." }, { "end_time": "17:50", "start_time": "17:46", "text": "Now, there is a second theory because there is a clip going around." }, { "end_time": "17:56", "start_time": "17:50", "text": "There is a video clip going around of some tourist who had seen this helicopter in almost the last moment." }, { "end_time": "17:59", "start_time": "17:57", "text": "And that has been going big run on various channels." }, { "end_time": "18:04", "start_time": "18:00", "text": "Firstly, we have to check out the authenticity of those videos." }, { "end_time": "18:07", "start_time": "18:05", "text": "We have to ensure that they were not tampered with." }, { "end_time": "18:09", "start_time": "18:07", "text": "They are not, you know, doctored." }, { "end_time": "18:13", "start_time": "18:09", "text": "And, only then can we admit them as evidence." }, { "end_time": "18:21", "start_time": "18:14", "text": "And they must be presented to the court of inquiry, so that they can come to more technical, valid conclusions." }, { "end_time": "18:38", "start_time": "18:22", "text": "But, there is you know, in very similar circumstances, I think about 2 years back, a Taiwanese helicopter had crashed a Blackhawk again, a very reliable machine, which has been flying since Vietnam days." }, { "end_time": "18:44", "start_time": "18:38", "text": "And, the chief of, staff of the Taiwanese armed forces, I mean, he was killed in that crash." }, { "end_time": "19:01", "start_time": "18:45", "text": "So there were a lot of speculation that the Chinese had, a hand in the either sabotage or perhaps they have developed certain, you know, microwave, you know, kind of, instruments, which can fry up these circuits." }, { "end_time": "19:10", "start_time": "19:01", "text": "You see, because most of there are a lot of electronics and computers involved in these aircraft, modern aircraft now, modern helicopters now." }, { "end_time": "19:12", "start_time": "19:10", "text": "So they try up the circuits." }, { "end_time": "19:29", "start_time": "19:13", "text": "There is another, you know, something in the literature which talks of trying to affect the pilot, his cognitive abilities, either by shining laser into his eyes or I mean, psychotronic weapons are being talked off, etcetera, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "19:41", "start_time": "19:29", "text": "These are all, hypothetical theories right now, and we don't know because there have been some very unexplained crashes near the Chinese border of su thirties and aircraft like that." }, { "end_time": "19:45", "start_time": "19:42", "text": "So they were being attributed to what China was doing." }, { "end_time": "19:45", "start_time": "19:45", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "19:46", "start_time": "19:45", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "19:55", "start_time": "19:48", "text": "But, right now, it would be very, very wrong to come and jump to a conclusion." }, { "end_time": "19:57", "start_time": "19:55", "text": "Let the facts speak for themselves." }, { "end_time": "20:04", "start_time": "19:57", "text": "There is an official court of inquiry, and I, for 1, would wait before I pronounce any kind of judgment." }, { "end_time": "20:10", "start_time": "20:05", "text": "All that I'm saying is no angle should be ruled out because the loss to the country has been enormous." }, { "end_time": "20:11", "start_time": "20:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:12", "start_time": "20:12", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "20:29", "start_time": "20:12", "text": "So I think the nation is collectively sharing the same sentiment, and I'm sure there are a lot of, army officers who are going to carry on, general Rawa's legacy in terms of proactiveness, in terms of, something very interesting." }, { "end_time": "20:44", "start_time": "20:29", "text": "You said that he was known for his sense of change and a sense of hastiness, in a modern world where technology is developing so much, everybody knows now that the army actually encounters new technologies before civilians do." }, { "end_time": "20:50", "start_time": "20:45", "text": "So I can't imagine the kind of technological advancements that, the armies are at the brink of." }, { "end_time": "20:53", "start_time": "20:50", "text": "And I think that's, general Rawa's legacy going forward." }, { "end_time": "21:00", "start_time": "20:53", "text": "That the, the officers who actually enable those technological advancements, they are the people who will be carrying his legacy forward." }, { "end_time": "21:01", "start_time": "21:00", "text": "So No." }, { "end_time": "21:07", "start_time": "21:01", "text": "Quite obviously, you see, because, very senior officer general has to be a change agent." }, { "end_time": "21:14", "start_time": "21:07", "text": "Because technological change is, moving at such a rapid pace that Alvin Toffler had coined the word future shock." }, { "end_time": "21:15", "start_time": "21:15", "text": "You see?" }, { "end_time": "21:17", "start_time": "21:15", "text": "And, you can't be shocked by the future." }, { "end_time": "21:19", "start_time": "21:17", "text": "You have to anticipate technology." }, { "end_time": "21:27", "start_time": "21:19", "text": "You have to anticipate military developments and take action well in time, because equipment cycles are 10 year, 15 years long." }, { "end_time": "21:29", "start_time": "21:28", "text": "Acquisition cycles." }, { "end_time": "21:33", "start_time": "21:29", "text": "So, to that extent, it was a very much needed change." }, { "end_time": "21:45", "start_time": "21:33", "text": "But there are people, you know, who have arguments to and, from, fro, you know, that, how much, and at what speed do you induct the change?" }, { "end_time": "21:50", "start_time": "21:45", "text": "Because there is change brings in a certain level of organizational turbulence." }, { "end_time": "21:59", "start_time": "21:50", "text": "So when you have a very high threat scenario, is that the right time for massive across the board changes, or do you wait for a lull before you put them in?" }, { "end_time": "22:03", "start_time": "21:59", "text": "That that was the only question, the the point of discussion." }, { "end_time": "22:06", "start_time": "22:03", "text": "But he was very right in his change orientation." }, { "end_time": "22:07", "start_time": "22:06", "text": "It has to change." }, { "end_time": "22:08", "start_time": "22:07", "text": "Things have to change." }, { "end_time": "22:15", "start_time": "22:08", "text": "So so we are celebrating the 50th anniversary of the 1971 war." }, { "end_time": "22:21", "start_time": "22:15", "text": "So, so I'd love to know what you have to say about that war in retrospect, because you were a part of it." }, { "end_time": "22:27", "start_time": "22:22", "text": "Maybe, maybe we can begin this question with kind of a bridge from the last section." }, { "end_time": "22:33", "start_time": "22:27", "text": "So what do you think really needs to change right now when it comes to the Indian army?" }, { "end_time": "22:36", "start_time": "22:33", "text": "And then you could recollect going 50 years ago." }, { "end_time": "22:37", "start_time": "22:36", "text": "How are things then?" }, { "end_time": "22:39", "start_time": "22:37", "text": "How are things different now?" }, { "end_time": "22:43", "start_time": "22:39", "text": "How would you like the army to function over the next 25 to 50 years?" }, { "end_time": "22:46", "start_time": "22:43", "text": "What legacy would you want the army to carry forward?" }, { "end_time": "22:48", "start_time": "22:46", "text": "Maybe 3 sections to this question, sir." }, { "end_time": "22:50", "start_time": "22:50", "text": "Oh, alright." }, { "end_time": "22:55", "start_time": "22:51", "text": "You know, let me first start with the 1971 war." }, { "end_time": "22:58", "start_time": "22:55", "text": "Let me bring it sequentially forward." }, { "end_time": "23:14", "start_time": "23:00", "text": "The 1971 war, let me be blunt and straightforward, was the greatest military victory India has had in the last 2000 years." }, { "end_time": "23:15", "start_time": "23:14", "text": "Get that right." }, { "end_time": "23:28", "start_time": "23:16", "text": "Greatest military victory after perhaps Chandragupt Seleucos, Chandragupt, defeated the Greek satrapseleucos negator in, in in in Afghanistan." }, { "end_time": "23:34", "start_time": "23:28", "text": "He made him cede Afghanistan and Balochistan to India, and got a scientifically defensible frontier." }, { "end_time": "23:45", "start_time": "23:35", "text": "In 71, we had a brilliant political and military leadership, and which broke Pakistan in 2 in a matter of just 13 days." }, { "end_time": "23:49", "start_time": "23:46", "text": "We marched on the capital city of Dhaka." }, { "end_time": "23:51", "start_time": "23:49", "text": "We marched on an enemy capital." }, { "end_time": "23:53", "start_time": "23:51", "text": "We did regime change." }, { "end_time": "23:56", "start_time": "23:53", "text": "We created a new country with the force of arms." }, { "end_time": "24:03", "start_time": "23:56", "text": "93,000 prisoners of war surrendered, the largest mass surrender after the second world war." }, { "end_time": "24:12", "start_time": "24:05", "text": "You see, we I'm very proud to say were my batch, is called the batch born to battle batch." }, { "end_time": "24:14", "start_time": "24:13", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "24:22", "start_time": "24:14", "text": "And, we were to pass out on 14th December 1971, And, we were somewhere in October." }, { "end_time": "24:24", "start_time": "24:22", "text": "Clouds of war were gathering swiftly." }, { "end_time": "24:26", "start_time": "24:24", "text": "We were called to the drill square." }, { "end_time": "24:27", "start_time": "24:26", "text": "The adjutant came on his white chair." }, { "end_time": "24:32", "start_time": "24:27", "text": "He said, boys, you've done very well, and we are gonna commission you a month in advance." }, { "end_time": "24:34", "start_time": "24:32", "text": "We started cheering, wow." }, { "end_time": "24:39", "start_time": "24:35", "text": "One month's seniority also means a lot in the armed forces." }, { "end_time": "24:40", "start_time": "24:39", "text": "Every day counts." }, { "end_time": "24:45", "start_time": "24:41", "text": "So, you know, he turned to the assistant adjutant, and he said, poor chaps." }, { "end_time": "24:47", "start_time": "24:46", "text": "They don't know what they're in for." }, { "end_time": "24:57", "start_time": "24:48", "text": "His adviser he said, you know, by the time they get commissioned by November, and they join the units, the units would already be involved." }, { "end_time": "24:59", "start_time": "24:58", "text": "They would not have known their men." }, { "end_time": "25:01", "start_time": "24:59", "text": "The men would not have known them." }, { "end_time": "25:08", "start_time": "25:01", "text": "Nobody would have had the time to, you know, sort of break them in into their new service, new roads." }, { "end_time": "25:16", "start_time": "25:08", "text": "And because they are young, they'll go charging, and a lot of them will, you know, will maybe lose their lives or suffer." }, { "end_time": "25:19", "start_time": "25:17", "text": "And that is precisely how it happened." }, { "end_time": "25:31", "start_time": "25:20", "text": "14th November, we passed out 10 days to see mama and papa, and then we got into the trains, and, I, with about 35 course mates, we landed up at Siliguri railway station on the Assam Mill." }, { "end_time": "25:44", "start_time": "25:32", "text": "And the railway station was full of soldiers with steel helmets, banners leaving in the winter sunshine because Siliguri, those days, had no, you know, cover, roof cover on the redwood siding." }, { "end_time": "25:47", "start_time": "25:45", "text": "So it was such a small little place." }, { "end_time": "25:50", "start_time": "25:47", "text": "And, we got off the train." }, { "end_time": "25:51", "start_time": "25:50", "text": "We started hugging one another." }, { "end_time": "25:55", "start_time": "25:51", "text": "We were not sure whether we would again, meet." }, { "end_time": "25:58", "start_time": "25:56", "text": "We would again, be alive." }, { "end_time": "26:00", "start_time": "25:59", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "26:04", "start_time": "26:00", "text": "So that is the time our boy said steel helmet." }, { "end_time": "26:08", "start_time": "26:06", "text": "Steel machine carbine." }, { "end_time": "26:12", "start_time": "26:11", "text": "Bangladesh." }, { "end_time": "26:14", "start_time": "26:14", "text": "So we said, yes." }, { "end_time": "26:27", "start_time": "26:14", "text": "Somebody said, don't worry about your your little blanket and your water bottle, and let's go." }, { "end_time": "26:29", "start_time": "26:28", "text": "So we went." }, { "end_time": "26:33", "start_time": "26:29", "text": "And the very first night of our service, we were in battle." }, { "end_time": "26:35", "start_time": "26:34", "text": "Most of us." }, { "end_time": "26:44", "start_time": "26:36", "text": "And, I'm also sorry to state that on the very first night of service, we lost a number of our very dear friends and comrades." }, { "end_time": "26:51", "start_time": "26:44", "text": "Some died, some lost their blood, blasted their legs, some, blasted their arms, lost their arms." }, { "end_time": "27:05", "start_time": "26:52", "text": "And, you know, our parents back home, in some cases, they got the first pension of of their son before they ever got to see his pay." }, { "end_time": "27:07", "start_time": "27:06", "text": "So that was the thing." }, { "end_time": "27:17", "start_time": "27:07", "text": "We took a lot of casualties, but I'm very proud to say we were at the cutting edge of that war when in 13 days, we broke Pakistan in 2." }, { "end_time": "27:19", "start_time": "27:17", "text": "And that's no big achievement." }, { "end_time": "27:20", "start_time": "27:19", "text": "We changed the map of the world." }, { "end_time": "27:22", "start_time": "27:20", "text": "We changed the map of South Asia." }, { "end_time": "27:25", "start_time": "27:23", "text": "We marched on an enemy capital." }, { "end_time": "27:26", "start_time": "27:25", "text": "We captured an enemy capital." }, { "end_time": "27:28", "start_time": "27:27", "text": "It was a just war." }, { "end_time": "27:32", "start_time": "27:29", "text": "Pakistan had created genocide and mayhem in Bangladesh." }, { "end_time": "27:35", "start_time": "27:33", "text": "3,000,000 Bengalis had been killed." }, { "end_time": "27:37", "start_time": "27:35", "text": "1,000,000,000 women raped." }, { "end_time": "27:43", "start_time": "27:38", "text": "10,000,000,000 Bengalis driven out as refugees into India to shatter our economy." }, { "end_time": "27:48", "start_time": "27:44", "text": "How could we take it lying down so we had no option but to go to war?" }, { "end_time": "27:53", "start_time": "27:48", "text": "It was a just war, and in 13 days, we broke Pakistan in 2." }, { "end_time": "27:58", "start_time": "27:53", "text": "It's the greatest military victory, like I said, in the last 2000 years." }, { "end_time": "28:05", "start_time": "27:58", "text": "3,800 officers, JCOs, men, more than that, laid down their lives in that war." }, { "end_time": "28:11", "start_time": "28:05", "text": "But I'm, sorry to see that it's not been much remembered in the media." }, { "end_time": "28:18", "start_time": "28:12", "text": "Despite it being the 50th anniversary of the war, hopefully now some, events are taking place." }, { "end_time": "28:33", "start_time": "28:19", "text": "But, the simple fact is that, you know, had it happened in the United States, had it happened in Russia, by now there will be a 151, 200 films on this war." }, { "end_time": "28:35", "start_time": "28:34", "text": "That's why we have podcast." }, { "end_time": "28:37", "start_time": "28:36", "text": "There I know." }, { "end_time": "28:38", "start_time": "28:37", "text": "We have podcast players." }, { "end_time": "28:45", "start_time": "28:38", "text": "Because you are making up that gap in the mainstream media, in the electronic, in the in the feature films, in the television." }, { "end_time": "28:48", "start_time": "28:45", "text": "They're they're not covering it as they should be really." }, { "end_time": "28:56", "start_time": "28:48", "text": "You know, because a victory of this magnitude I mean, it's not a small time victory, not a draw, not a stalemate." }, { "end_time": "29:00", "start_time": "28:56", "text": "It's outright decisive victory, you know." }, { "end_time": "29:03", "start_time": "29:00", "text": "And a tri service campaign very well coordinated." }, { "end_time": "29:06", "start_time": "29:04", "text": "I mean, peak of professionalism." }, { "end_time": "29:09", "start_time": "29:07", "text": "Sam Manixar, Sam Bahadur." }, { "end_time": "29:10", "start_time": "29:10", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "29:13", "start_time": "29:10", "text": "We had the air chief, air marshal PC Lal." }, { "end_time": "29:22", "start_time": "29:13", "text": "We had the navy chief, admiral Nanda, whose navy went and hit the Karachi home port, home base of the Pakistani Navy, sank 6 ships there." }, { "end_time": "29:31", "start_time": "29:23", "text": "And and, you know, they they they they put that Karachi oil farm on fire, so they burned for a full week." }, { "end_time": "29:34", "start_time": "29:32", "text": "And the black clouds obscured the sun." }, { "end_time": "29:36", "start_time": "29:35", "text": "That was the level of this thing." }, { "end_time": "29:37", "start_time": "29:36", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "29:47", "start_time": "29:37", "text": "And the air force, they won complete air supremacy over the skies of Bangladesh to enable our armed forces to ground forces to move in so fast." }, { "end_time": "29:53", "start_time": "29:48", "text": "So there isn't question as much as there's gratitude, from an entire generation." }, { "end_time": "30:02", "start_time": "29:53", "text": "I really don't think our generation or even Gen z born after 2000 understands, the magnitude of achievement of the Indian Army up till this point to just give us the India that we know." }, { "end_time": "30:04", "start_time": "30:03", "text": "Keeping that in mind." }, { "end_time": "30:09", "start_time": "30:04", "text": "So I think the legacy of the 1971 war for me is, positive aggression." }, { "end_time": "30:14", "start_time": "30:09", "text": "That's what has been carried forward, which which what brings me to the present." }, { "end_time": "30:16", "start_time": "30:14", "text": "So what is the legacy for you?" }, { "end_time": "30:18", "start_time": "30:16", "text": "Like, am I right in saying positive aggression?" }, { "end_time": "30:19", "start_time": "30:18", "text": "Is it the same for you?" }, { "end_time": "30:25", "start_time": "30:20", "text": "You are not only right, you raised a very, very pertinent point." }, { "end_time": "30:29", "start_time": "30:25", "text": "You see the problem with Indian military history has been his defensive attitude." }, { "end_time": "30:34", "start_time": "30:31", "text": "Let the enemy come into Panipat, then we will fight." }, { "end_time": "30:35", "start_time": "30:34", "text": "Till then we will watch Kathak." }, { "end_time": "30:38", "start_time": "30:36", "text": "I mean, it's so disgusting." }, { "end_time": "30:50", "start_time": "30:39", "text": "You let the enemy come in, he burns your villages, burns your cities, destroys your temple, rapes your women, destroys your crops, livestock, and you fight on your own territory?" }, { "end_time": "30:52", "start_time": "30:51", "text": "You call that an achievement?" }, { "end_time": "30:53", "start_time": "30:53", "text": "It is stupid." }, { "end_time": "31:02", "start_time": "30:55", "text": "So the Gandhian mindset may be very holier than thou, but it is disastrous as far as national defense is concerned." }, { "end_time": "31:04", "start_time": "31:02", "text": "But thank God all that changed." }, { "end_time": "31:05", "start_time": "31:04", "text": "We became proactive." }, { "end_time": "31:07", "start_time": "31:06", "text": "We attacked for a change." }, { "end_time": "31:15", "start_time": "31:08", "text": "But, of course, we still waited for the enemy to strike the first blow, and then we gave it back in terms of a just war." }, { "end_time": "31:17", "start_time": "31:15", "text": "We took the war to his enemy territory." }, { "end_time": "31:27", "start_time": "31:17", "text": "We broke Pakistan in 2, and we had peace for the next 10 years till Afghanistan started and America started pumping arms into Pakistan again." }, { "end_time": "31:34", "start_time": "31:28", "text": "So it was, the greatest thing is, more than positive aggression, being proactive." }, { "end_time": "31:36", "start_time": "31:35", "text": "Being offensive." }, { "end_time": "31:40", "start_time": "31:37", "text": "An offensive outglued rather than a defensive outglued." }, { "end_time": "31:41", "start_time": "31:40", "text": "Very simply explained." }, { "end_time": "31:43", "start_time": "31:41", "text": "Can you fight just with a shield?" }, { "end_time": "31:46", "start_time": "31:44", "text": "You have to have a shield and a sword." }, { "end_time": "31:50", "start_time": "31:46", "text": "India was focusing only on the shield, and therefore, we lost every war." }, { "end_time": "32:08", "start_time": "31:51", "text": "From 10th century onwards, till about, you know, 16th, 17th century, when a military revival of sorts took place under in the south, under Guru Gobind Singh in the north, and under General Lachitpurpo Khan and Assam." }, { "end_time": "32:11", "start_time": "32:09", "text": "And they destroyed the Mughal Empire." }, { "end_time": "32:12", "start_time": "32:11", "text": "They destroyed the foreign invaders." }, { "end_time": "32:17", "start_time": "32:13", "text": "Please don't forget, the British did not free us from the Mughal yoke." }, { "end_time": "32:18", "start_time": "32:17", "text": "We did it." }, { "end_time": "32:24", "start_time": "32:18", "text": "And then we attacked, captured the whole of what is now West Pakistan, went into Afghanistan." }, { "end_time": "32:28", "start_time": "32:25", "text": "Hari Singh Nalwa was the governor of Jalalabad." }, { "end_time": "32:35", "start_time": "32:29", "text": "We had reached up to Kabul, and they are saying no country has ever captured and held Afghanistan." }, { "end_time": "32:38", "start_time": "32:36", "text": "We have Marajar and Jeet Singh forces did." }, { "end_time": "32:45", "start_time": "32:39", "text": "The whole of Northwest Frontier Province, the whole of Fata, Shatha, etcetera, is all conquered by whom?" }, { "end_time": "32:48", "start_time": "32:46", "text": "By by the Sikhs of General Ranjit Singh." }, { "end_time": "32:52", "start_time": "32:49", "text": "So that is in the historical context." }, { "end_time": "32:54", "start_time": "32:53", "text": "So we turned proactive." }, { "end_time": "32:56", "start_time": "32:54", "text": "We turned aggressive like we have again." }, { "end_time": "32:59", "start_time": "32:56", "text": "In between, we went back to our shell." }, { "end_time": "33:06", "start_time": "32:59", "text": "But now we have turned aggressive again, in terms of the fact that, we did the surgical side strike after Rudy for 30 years." }, { "end_time": "33:08", "start_time": "33:07", "text": "We took it on our chin." }, { "end_time": "33:12", "start_time": "33:09", "text": "Then after Rudy, we did the surgical strike in 2016." }, { "end_time": "33:19", "start_time": "33:12", "text": "Then 2019, we did the Balakota strike to tell Pakistan nuclear weapons or no bloody nuclear weapons." }, { "end_time": "33:22", "start_time": "33:19", "text": "We will give it back to you in your own territory." }, { "end_time": "33:25", "start_time": "33:22", "text": "You kill one of us here, we'll kill a 100 on your side." }, { "end_time": "33:30", "start_time": "33:26", "text": "And that is what has deterred Pakistan quite, quite, quite meaningfully." }, { "end_time": "33:35", "start_time": "33:32", "text": "So that's an answer to your specific query." }, { "end_time": "33:35", "start_time": "33:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:40", "start_time": "33:36", "text": "One last question about the army, sir, before we move into talking about your book." }, { "end_time": "33:44", "start_time": "33:41", "text": "What is the future of the Indian army according to you?" }, { "end_time": "33:49", "start_time": "33:44", "text": "Or what needs to change or what needs to be done more slash less according to you, sir?" }, { "end_time": "33:52", "start_time": "33:50", "text": "A little bit of context is required." }, { "end_time": "33:55", "start_time": "33:52", "text": "How did we win the 1971 victory?" }, { "end_time": "33:59", "start_time": "33:55", "text": "Russia gave us the cutting edge military technology." }, { "end_time": "34:07", "start_time": "33:59", "text": "Gave us all the weapons we wanted, sue, Sue 7 fighter bombers, big 21 fighter interceptors." }, { "end_time": "34:11", "start_time": "34:08", "text": "Whatever you wanted, they laid on the table for you." }, { "end_time": "34:16", "start_time": "34:11", "text": "T 54 tanks, t 55 tanks, 130 millimeter, artillery guns." }, { "end_time": "34:22", "start_time": "34:17", "text": "I mean, whatever you wanted, they wanted to give you the Tupolev bombers, strategic bomber." }, { "end_time": "34:23", "start_time": "34:22", "text": "We said no." }, { "end_time": "34:23", "start_time": "34:23", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "34:23", "start_time": "34:23", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "34:24", "start_time": "34:23", "text": "We don't need them." }, { "end_time": "34:28", "start_time": "34:24", "text": "And then we used a 12 transport aircraft for bombing in jump." }, { "end_time": "34:30", "start_time": "34:28", "text": "So they gave you everything." }, { "end_time": "34:39", "start_time": "34:30", "text": "Kashin class destroyer, Foxtrot class submarine, built up your navy, gave you the OSAV missile boats, which did miracles in the attack on Karachi." }, { "end_time": "34:43", "start_time": "34:39", "text": "And the the army, navy, air force, they strengthened all 3 weeks." }, { "end_time": "34:46", "start_time": "34:44", "text": "And courtesy that, we won the major war." }, { "end_time": "34:50", "start_time": "34:47", "text": "Unfortunately, by 1990, the Soviet Union collapsed." }, { "end_time": "34:58", "start_time": "34:51", "text": "And the main source of supply of Indian cutting edge military technology dried up all of a sudden." }, { "end_time": "35:00", "start_time": "34:58", "text": "There was chaos in the Soviet Union." }, { "end_time": "35:03", "start_time": "35:00", "text": "It became Russia, lost a lot of its empire." }, { "end_time": "35:07", "start_time": "35:03", "text": "And for good about 10 years, we had to stop all military modernization." }, { "end_time": "35:09", "start_time": "35:08", "text": "Don't forget the sorry." }, { "end_time": "35:10", "start_time": "35:09", "text": "30 years." }, { "end_time": "35:15", "start_time": "35:11", "text": "Don't forget the fact that in 1990, the Indian economy also came close to collapse." }, { "end_time": "35:18", "start_time": "35:16", "text": "So we were told, just forget about it, buddy." }, { "end_time": "35:20", "start_time": "35:18", "text": "We are in no position to fight." }, { "end_time": "35:23", "start_time": "35:21", "text": "Do what you can with what you have." }, { "end_time": "35:29", "start_time": "35:24", "text": "So even though Pakistan was interfering in Punjab, in the J and K, we could do nothing." }, { "end_time": "35:32", "start_time": "35:30", "text": "Just put out the files within the country." }, { "end_time": "35:34", "start_time": "35:32", "text": "That is all that we could do." }, { "end_time": "35:46", "start_time": "35:35", "text": "Then around, you know, when the 1990 economic deforms of, Narasimha Rao and, Mad Moen Singh, etcetera, They all started kicking in our economy that looked up." }, { "end_time": "35:58", "start_time": "35:47", "text": "Then around 2,000 or so, you know, around the time of the Cargill war, we said, yeah, let's now, upgrade our, armed forces." }, { "end_time": "36:08", "start_time": "35:59", "text": "Because till then, we were flying the big 21 aircraft of the 19 60 vintage, big 23, big 27, 60, seventies vintage." }, { "end_time": "36:10", "start_time": "36:09", "text": "They were going on." }, { "end_time": "36:13", "start_time": "36:10", "text": "And by the year 2000, they were all 30 year life cycle." }, { "end_time": "36:17", "start_time": "36:13", "text": "They were all due for obsolescence and being phased out." }, { "end_time": "36:20", "start_time": "36:17", "text": "But we had no money to buy to replace them." }, { "end_time": "36:22", "start_time": "36:20", "text": "So we started kept flying the big 21." }, { "end_time": "36:25", "start_time": "36:22", "text": "They would became the flying coffin, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "36:39", "start_time": "36:25", "text": "So you still have to phase out this entire sixties, seventies, eighties generation equipment and rebuild a brand new modern army for the next 30, 40 years, army, navy, air force." }, { "end_time": "36:45", "start_time": "36:40", "text": "This is where we lost 10 crucial years in the UPA regime." }, { "end_time": "36:50", "start_time": "36:46", "text": "They did not buy 1 bloody, fighter aircraft." }, { "end_time": "36:55", "start_time": "36:50", "text": "Our squadron strength which should be 45 squadrons is today down to 30 and less." }, { "end_time": "36:57", "start_time": "36:56", "text": "That is criminal." }, { "end_time": "37:02", "start_time": "36:58", "text": "Air power is the is the war winning factor." }, { "end_time": "37:07", "start_time": "37:02", "text": "You grow weak in the air, you you will lose up the ground and in the sea on the sea." }, { "end_time": "37:09", "start_time": "37:08", "text": "So we need a transformation." }, { "end_time": "37:15", "start_time": "37:11", "text": "Now that transformation has started happening with the NDA government came." }, { "end_time": "37:20", "start_time": "37:15", "text": "We thought it would be much faster because we'd already lost 30 30 plus years." }, { "end_time": "37:26", "start_time": "37:22", "text": "So then, you know, the Rafale was being topped off for 10 years." }, { "end_time": "37:27", "start_time": "37:26", "text": "Finally, we got it now." }, { "end_time": "37:28", "start_time": "37:27", "text": "2 squadrons." }, { "end_time": "37:48", "start_time": "37:28", "text": "So as I was saying, you know, that entire, conversion of our equipment from the 19 sixties, 17, eighties era replacement that bringing in modern, fighters, modern tanks, modern technology, modern artillery, modern submarines, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "37:53", "start_time": "37:48", "text": "All had to be done, you know, and that took there was a lot of delay." }, { "end_time": "37:57", "start_time": "37:53", "text": "At least a 10 years, 30 years delay as it is because of the economy." }, { "end_time": "38:04", "start_time": "37:57", "text": "There are 10 years delay because of a very warped decision making process, modern corruption and delays." }, { "end_time": "38:07", "start_time": "38:05", "text": "So it was criminal neglect." }, { "end_time": "38:12", "start_time": "38:07", "text": "And today we are now having to rearm in a very major hurry." }, { "end_time": "38:14", "start_time": "38:12", "text": "Fortunately, our economy is good." }, { "end_time": "38:15", "start_time": "38:14", "text": "It's pretty sound." }, { "end_time": "38:16", "start_time": "38:15", "text": "It can support." }, { "end_time": "38:21", "start_time": "38:16", "text": "We have $650,000,000,000 worth of, for, you know, forex reserves." }, { "end_time": "38:22", "start_time": "38:21", "text": "We can do it now." }, { "end_time": "38:24", "start_time": "38:22", "text": "So we are trying to buy from all over." }, { "end_time": "38:26", "start_time": "38:24", "text": "We are trying to diversify." }, { "end_time": "38:28", "start_time": "38:26", "text": "We are trying to buy from Russia." }, { "end_time": "38:32", "start_time": "38:29", "text": "We are buying from Russia as it is 60, 70 percent is from Russia." }, { "end_time": "38:40", "start_time": "38:32", "text": "We are buying a lot of cutting edge technology equipment from the United States, from France, from Israel to catch up in a hurry." }, { "end_time": "38:49", "start_time": "38:41", "text": "What we are trying to do and which is the way ahead, which comes to your next your third component of your question, We must indigenize." }, { "end_time": "38:55", "start_time": "38:51", "text": "We must have autarky in the production of weapon systems." }, { "end_time": "39:04", "start_time": "38:55", "text": "You can't have a major super power aspirant trying to buy all its weapons tech cutting edge technology from abroad." }, { "end_time": "39:10", "start_time": "39:05", "text": "People can impose sanctions, people can stop supply of space and do you lot of damage." }, { "end_time": "39:16", "start_time": "39:10", "text": "So this Atma Nirbhar project has started and in fact, here, Vipin Robert took a very bold step." }, { "end_time": "39:20", "start_time": "39:16", "text": "He said we will ban import in certain categories of battle." }, { "end_time": "39:22", "start_time": "39:21", "text": "155 millimeter guns." }, { "end_time": "39:34", "start_time": "39:23", "text": "Kalyani forged in India had built a master gun had built up master gun, which is, you know, the American 1 55 millimeter medium gun fires 45." }, { "end_time": "39:36", "start_time": "39:34", "text": "This fires 48 kilometers." }, { "end_time": "39:39", "start_time": "39:37", "text": "They fired 3 rounds a minute." }, { "end_time": "39:40", "start_time": "39:39", "text": "Ours fires 5 rounds a minute." }, { "end_time": "39:42", "start_time": "39:41", "text": "And yet there were people saying, no." }, { "end_time": "39:42", "start_time": "39:42", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "39:42", "start_time": "39:42", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "39:43", "start_time": "39:42", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "39:43", "start_time": "39:43", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "39:43", "start_time": "39:43", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "39:45", "start_time": "39:43", "text": "We don't trust Indian technologies." }, { "end_time": "39:47", "start_time": "39:45", "text": "It's got this problem, that problem." }, { "end_time": "39:51", "start_time": "39:47", "text": "We'll buy from here, there, everywhere but India." }, { "end_time": "40:00", "start_time": "39:51", "text": "So he put a blanket list of items which would bloody well have to be purchased from Indian companies, ex India." }, { "end_time": "40:05", "start_time": "40:01", "text": "We have to go shift from the private sector which is sorry." }, { "end_time": "40:11", "start_time": "40:05", "text": "We have to shift from the public sector which has become a white elephant and most inefficient to the private sector." }, { "end_time": "40:15", "start_time": "40:12", "text": "We have to involve our private firms because they are dynamic." }, { "end_time": "40:17", "start_time": "40:15", "text": "They are forward looking." }, { "end_time": "40:32", "start_time": "40:17", "text": "They can collaborate with other firms in the United States, in Russia, in France, in Japan, in, in in Israel, and produce produce new equipment of our own our own designs, our own r and d." }, { "end_time": "40:33", "start_time": "40:32", "text": "That needs to be pushed up." }, { "end_time": "40:38", "start_time": "40:33", "text": "If you ask me which way the armed forces should go, drones have to come in in a big way." }, { "end_time": "40:39", "start_time": "40:38", "text": "We have to make our own tanks." }, { "end_time": "40:44", "start_time": "40:39", "text": "We have to make our own jet fighters, our own aircraft." }, { "end_time": "40:47", "start_time": "40:44", "text": "Good news is we started building our navy." }, { "end_time": "40:51", "start_time": "40:48", "text": "Almost all the ships that we are inducting are Indian." }, { "end_time": "40:53", "start_time": "40:51", "text": "We built in Indian shipyards." }, { "end_time": "40:58", "start_time": "40:55", "text": "We are making our own tanks under license." }, { "end_time": "41:00", "start_time": "40:58", "text": "We made the Arjun on our own." }, { "end_time": "41:03", "start_time": "41:00", "text": "Now we are building nuclear submarines on our own." }, { "end_time": "41:04", "start_time": "41:03", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "41:06", "start_time": "41:04", "text": "So we must produce our own drones." }, { "end_time": "41:12", "start_time": "41:06", "text": "We must produce we must, you know, take the jump to the next level, quantum jump." }, { "end_time": "41:15", "start_time": "41:13", "text": "That has to be done if we want to become a superpower." }, { "end_time": "41:17", "start_time": "41:15", "text": "We are a nuclear part today." }, { "end_time": "41:21", "start_time": "41:17", "text": "So we have to learn how to fight under a nuclear overhang." }, { "end_time": "41:26", "start_time": "41:22", "text": "So we can't take 8 months like we did to prepare in 71 and then go." }, { "end_time": "41:29", "start_time": "41:26", "text": "We'll have to go in at cold start, 0 notice." }, { "end_time": "41:29", "start_time": "41:29", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "41:30", "start_time": "41:29", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "41:32", "start_time": "41:30", "text": "So those those are the changes I see, technological." }, { "end_time": "41:35", "start_time": "41:33", "text": "And yet, you can't downsize." }, { "end_time": "41:40", "start_time": "41:36", "text": "You know, there is a new mantra in the army that, army is wasting a lot of money." }, { "end_time": "41:43", "start_time": "41:40", "text": "Navy air force are just wasting gobbling up funds." }, { "end_time": "41:48", "start_time": "41:43", "text": "We can spend 1 and a half lakh of crores to revive sinking banks." }, { "end_time": "41:50", "start_time": "41:49", "text": "Revive sinking bank." }, { "end_time": "41:52", "start_time": "41:50", "text": "But we can't spend money on the army." }, { "end_time": "41:56", "start_time": "41:52", "text": "These people in Karashiv, reduce their size." }, { "end_time": "41:57", "start_time": "41:56", "text": "I'm sorry." }, { "end_time": "42:01", "start_time": "41:57", "text": "Your threats have never been higher than they are today." }, { "end_time": "42:02", "start_time": "42:01", "text": "You have China." }, { "end_time": "42:03", "start_time": "42:02", "text": "You have Pakistan." }, { "end_time": "42:06", "start_time": "42:03", "text": "You have Taliban in Afghanistan." }, { "end_time": "42:07", "start_time": "42:06", "text": "You have Turkey." }, { "end_time": "42:08", "start_time": "42:07", "text": "You have Maoist." }, { "end_time": "42:09", "start_time": "42:08", "text": "You have jihadists." }, { "end_time": "42:11", "start_time": "42:09", "text": "You have the insurgents in the northeast." }, { "end_time": "42:13", "start_time": "42:13", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "42:16", "start_time": "42:14", "text": "So you have the highest set envelope." }, { "end_time": "42:19", "start_time": "42:17", "text": "At a time like this, I'm sorry, you can't pinch pennies." }, { "end_time": "42:22", "start_time": "42:20", "text": "You will have to spend what it takes." }, { "end_time": "42:28", "start_time": "42:22", "text": "You'll have to get the equipment that you need Well, best to produce it in India." }, { "end_time": "42:31", "start_time": "42:28", "text": "But where you can't do it, then you just buy from outside." }, { "end_time": "42:34", "start_time": "42:31", "text": "You'll have to get it and get it fast." }, { "end_time": "42:39", "start_time": "42:34", "text": "You don't have 15, 20 years to oh, we will take do it in the next 20 years." }, { "end_time": "42:41", "start_time": "42:39", "text": "The Chinese will not wait." }, { "end_time": "42:42", "start_time": "42:41", "text": "The Pakistanis will not wait." }, { "end_time": "42:45", "start_time": "42:42", "text": "The bloody Turks are trying to get funny." }, { "end_time": "42:50", "start_time": "42:46", "text": "So you have to be ready in the next 2, 3, 4 years." }, { "end_time": "42:52", "start_time": "42:50", "text": "5 is what you have." }, { "end_time": "42:55", "start_time": "42:53", "text": "And therefore, pull out all stops." }, { "end_time": "42:57", "start_time": "42:56", "text": "Oh, cut man part." }, { "end_time": "42:58", "start_time": "42:57", "text": "It's a waste of lap." }, { "end_time": "42:59", "start_time": "42:58", "text": "Are you to fight in the mountains?" }, { "end_time": "43:01", "start_time": "42:59", "text": "You need man part." }, { "end_time": "43:07", "start_time": "43:02", "text": "You know, to fight counterinsurgency, counter terrorist, you need huge man part." }, { "end_time": "43:09", "start_time": "43:07", "text": "You have no earth of manpower." }, { "end_time": "43:11", "start_time": "43:09", "text": "You'll only be creating jobs." }, { "end_time": "43:14", "start_time": "43:11", "text": "You have 1,400,000,000 Indians today." }, { "end_time": "43:17", "start_time": "43:14", "text": "50% of them are below the age of 25." }, { "end_time": "43:18", "start_time": "43:17", "text": "They need jobs." }, { "end_time": "43:19", "start_time": "43:18", "text": "You're cutting jobs." }, { "end_time": "43:23", "start_time": "43:21", "text": "You you understand the anomaly?" }, { "end_time": "43:23", "start_time": "43:23", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "43:23", "start_time": "43:23", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "43:25", "start_time": "43:23", "text": "You need to create jobs." }, { "end_time": "43:27", "start_time": "43:25", "text": "You say, cut the jobs that you have." }, { "end_time": "43:28", "start_time": "43:27", "text": "Who needs them, Adi?" }, { "end_time": "43:30", "start_time": "43:29", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "43:32", "start_time": "43:30", "text": "You you have to be Yep." }, { "end_time": "43:32", "start_time": "43:32", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "43:37", "start_time": "43:34", "text": "Futuristic means futuristic in weapon systems." }, { "end_time": "43:39", "start_time": "43:37", "text": "But you have to know what is your condition." }, { "end_time": "43:40", "start_time": "43:39", "text": "You are not America." }, { "end_time": "43:42", "start_time": "43:41", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "43:42", "start_time": "43:42", "text": "Yes, sir." }, { "end_time": "43:43", "start_time": "43:42", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "43:45", "start_time": "43:43", "text": "You don't have to fight global wars." }, { "end_time": "43:47", "start_time": "43:45", "text": "You have to fight war on your own borders." }, { "end_time": "43:52", "start_time": "43:47", "text": "Maximum, you need intervention capabilities, Afghanistan and beyond." }, { "end_time": "43:55", "start_time": "43:52", "text": "Little bit, Sri Lanka, Ocean area, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "43:57", "start_time": "43:55", "text": "But that's the way to go." }, { "end_time": "43:58", "start_time": "43:57", "text": "You'll Yeah." }, { "end_time": "44:02", "start_time": "43:58", "text": "Napoleon said, God is always on the side of the big battalions." }, { "end_time": "44:04", "start_time": "44:02", "text": "You have to be big." }, { "end_time": "44:05", "start_time": "44:05", "text": "Yes, sir." }, { "end_time": "44:07", "start_time": "44:05", "text": "Don't lose your manpower advantage." }, { "end_time": "44:10", "start_time": "44:07", "text": "This is your biggest advantage even over China." }, { "end_time": "44:12", "start_time": "44:10", "text": "They have an aging population." }, { "end_time": "44:14", "start_time": "44:12", "text": "You have a youthful population." }, { "end_time": "44:17", "start_time": "44:14", "text": "Now you say, we will cut the soldiers from our army." }, { "end_time": "44:19", "start_time": "44:17", "text": "Then what the hell will you do?" }, { "end_time": "44:20", "start_time": "44:19", "text": "How will you give jobs?" }, { "end_time": "44:27", "start_time": "44:22", "text": "How will you face fight the wars in the mountains and the counterinsurgencies, which are everywhere?" }, { "end_time": "44:41", "start_time": "44:28", "text": "J and K, Nagaland, Manipur, Viso Visoram is now over, but also in the heartland in the with the Maoist, and, you know, Chhattisgarh, etcetera etcetera." }, { "end_time": "44:44", "start_time": "44:42", "text": "So you have a major challenge coming up." }, { "end_time": "44:59", "start_time": "44:44", "text": "I'd like to end by saying that Arnold Toynbee, the historian said, great powers rise in response to great challenges from the natural or social environment." }, { "end_time": "45:04", "start_time": "44:59", "text": "The Indian youth, there's a lot of Indian youth watching this particular podcast, and here's what they need to know." }, { "end_time": "45:05", "start_time": "45:04", "text": "Even they can help." }, { "end_time": "45:12", "start_time": "45:05", "text": "There's nothing that stops Indian minds from actually developing, Indian technologies which compete at a world stage." }, { "end_time": "45:22", "start_time": "45:12", "text": "So if there are Indian youth watching this, maybe my personal last message to them would be rather than going and building your careers in America or Europe or Australia, stay here, help build the country." }, { "end_time": "45:24", "start_time": "45:22", "text": "Let's avoid this brain drain problem." }, { "end_time": "45:25", "start_time": "45:25", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "45:28", "start_time": "45:26", "text": "You see, we have the world class IIT." }, { "end_time": "45:40", "start_time": "45:28", "text": "Most of their product goes to the United States and 30% of NASA is Indians and 30% of, Silicon Valley is Indians and, you know, the highest force they are occupying now." }, { "end_time": "45:41", "start_time": "45:41", "text": "You see?" }, { "end_time": "45:44", "start_time": "45:41", "text": "But, they need to be work here." }, { "end_time": "45:48", "start_time": "45:45", "text": "You know, the public sector wasn't giving them good enough pays." }, { "end_time": "45:50", "start_time": "45:48", "text": "The private sector will." }, { "end_time": "45:52", "start_time": "45:50", "text": "The private sector will." }, { "end_time": "45:54", "start_time": "45:52", "text": "And I just told you the example of Kalyani Forge." }, { "end_time": "46:01", "start_time": "45:55", "text": "Baba Kalyani built the world's best medium gun, and yet there is a resistance to accepting it." }, { "end_time": "46:04", "start_time": "46:02", "text": "You know, we are building nuclear submarines." }, { "end_time": "46:10", "start_time": "46:04", "text": "We are building we are building nuclear and conventional submarines." }, { "end_time": "46:12", "start_time": "46:10", "text": "We are building aircraft carriers." }, { "end_time": "46:14", "start_time": "46:12", "text": "We are building fighter jets." }, { "end_time": "46:16", "start_time": "46:14", "text": "Our problem is with engine technology." }, { "end_time": "46:23", "start_time": "46:17", "text": "You know, engines for our warships, engines for our fighters, engines for our tanks, We are still poor." }, { "end_time": "46:24", "start_time": "46:23", "text": "Collaborate with Japan." }, { "end_time": "46:26", "start_time": "46:24", "text": "They make beautiful engines." }, { "end_time": "46:29", "start_time": "46:27", "text": "Collaborate with the Russians or the French." }, { "end_time": "46:30", "start_time": "46:29", "text": "They make lovely engines." }, { "end_time": "46:39", "start_time": "46:31", "text": "So this is what we'll have to go in a very concerted manner, and this is where the Indian youth can contribute majorly." }, { "end_time": "46:41", "start_time": "46:39", "text": "Don't make a beeline for the west." }, { "end_time": "46:41", "start_time": "46:41", "text": "Yes, sir." }, { "end_time": "46:48", "start_time": "46:41", "text": "I think it's very important for spokespeople of the Indian army to put the message out, for the general population." }, { "end_time": "46:54", "start_time": "46:49", "text": "Maybe we can end this particular episode by talking a little bit about the book you're writing, sir." }, { "end_time": "46:56", "start_time": "46:54", "text": "I also feel a soldier's life is very unique." }, { "end_time": "46:58", "start_time": "46:56", "text": "It's not a normal life." }, { "end_time": "47:02", "start_time": "46:58", "text": "It changes the way you perceive, life in general." }, { "end_time": "47:03", "start_time": "47:02", "text": "So what is this book about?" }, { "end_time": "47:05", "start_time": "47:03", "text": "Because, it's called Som." }, { "end_time": "47:07", "start_time": "47:05", "text": "You're talking about psychedelics." }, { "end_time": "47:08", "start_time": "47:07", "text": "You're talking about meditation." }, { "end_time": "47:11", "start_time": "47:08", "text": "All these concepts that are less spoken about in the modern day." }, { "end_time": "47:14", "start_time": "47:11", "text": "So what's the logic behind the book, sir?" }, { "end_time": "47:14", "start_time": "47:14", "text": "Alright." }, { "end_time": "47:18", "start_time": "47:15", "text": "You know, they say, don't tell us, show us." }, { "end_time": "47:20", "start_time": "47:19", "text": "This is the book." }, { "end_time": "47:21", "start_time": "47:20", "text": "This is the book." }, { "end_time": "47:23", "start_time": "47:21", "text": "It's called the quantum book of Soma." }, { "end_time": "47:24", "start_time": "47:24", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "47:28", "start_time": "47:25", "text": "It delves and this is a parallel volume." }, { "end_time": "47:39", "start_time": "47:28", "text": "This is called the songs of Soma, translation of the Vedic hymns into English, transcreations of, the Vedic hymns onto soma into English." }, { "end_time": "47:47", "start_time": "47:40", "text": "You know, this has taken about, this main main book, has taken about 50 years of research." }, { "end_time": "47:52", "start_time": "47:48", "text": "And the topic is something that is surprisingly relevant to the military." }, { "end_time": "47:55", "start_time": "47:53", "text": "The Vedas talk a lot about war." }, { "end_time": "48:00", "start_time": "47:56", "text": "There is the, the war of the 10 kings." }, { "end_time": "48:03", "start_time": "48:00", "text": "There is the Dwadasa youth, the war of the 20 kings." }, { "end_time": "48:07", "start_time": "48:04", "text": "And the war of the 10 kings was almost on the scale of the Mahabharata." }, { "end_time": "48:14", "start_time": "48:07", "text": "60,000 people are supposed to have been killed in that era, and they possibly use weather warfare and what have you." }, { "end_time": "48:19", "start_time": "48:14", "text": "So, you know, India has always been a warrior civilization." }, { "end_time": "48:21", "start_time": "48:20", "text": "Ramayana is about a war." }, { "end_time": "48:24", "start_time": "48:21", "text": "We have the Mahabharata about a war." }, { "end_time": "48:31", "start_time": "48:24", "text": "And suddenly, we are told, oh, we are the most peaceful people on the earth, and, we all follow the Lord Buddha." }, { "end_time": "48:39", "start_time": "48:31", "text": "Unfortunately, that religion there are very few adherents left in India, and yet we want them." }, { "end_time": "48:46", "start_time": "48:39", "text": "We had Gandhi as the next avatar, and, he said India is the most pacific civilization." }, { "end_time": "48:50", "start_time": "48:47", "text": "If somebody hits you on one cheek, you must stop or the other." }, { "end_time": "48:52", "start_time": "48:50", "text": "You should never kill a fly." }, { "end_time": "48:56", "start_time": "48:53", "text": "You know, you don't mind if your women are raped." }, { "end_time": "48:58", "start_time": "48:56", "text": "Don't mind if your temples are destroyed." }, { "end_time": "49:00", "start_time": "48:59", "text": "Go ahead." }, { "end_time": "49:01", "start_time": "49:01", "text": "Bear it." }, { "end_time": "49:04", "start_time": "49:01", "text": "Offer, offer satyagraha." }, { "end_time": "49:11", "start_time": "49:05", "text": "I mean, a country which was invaded from the 10th century onwards till 18th." }, { "end_time": "49:12", "start_time": "49:12", "text": "Non stop." }, { "end_time": "49:16", "start_time": "49:14", "text": "Murderer after murderer." }, { "end_time": "49:18", "start_time": "49:16", "text": "Genocide after genocide." }, { "end_time": "49:22", "start_time": "49:18", "text": "And the civilization conclusion that we had come to is Ghani?" }, { "end_time": "49:25", "start_time": "49:23", "text": "That we must be peaceful." }, { "end_time": "49:32", "start_time": "49:26", "text": "We must surrender meekly, we must not fight for our independence, we must beg for it." }, { "end_time": "49:34", "start_time": "49:32", "text": "So that attitude needs to change." }, { "end_time": "49:38", "start_time": "49:34", "text": "You need to go back to the Vedas, which are a virile people." }, { "end_time": "49:40", "start_time": "49:38", "text": "They were a tough people." }, { "end_time": "49:41", "start_time": "49:40", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "49:47", "start_time": "49:41", "text": "I mean, they they believed." }, { "end_time": "49:58", "start_time": "49:47", "text": "You know, we often hear this, which is called, you know, that, you know, It is from the Mahabharata." }, { "end_time": "50:02", "start_time": "49:59", "text": "Very few people know that the second part of this is." }, { "end_time": "50:17", "start_time": "50:08", "text": "But Dharma or violence, non violence is good, is the best, but violence in the protection of Dharma." }, { "end_time": "50:19", "start_time": "50:18", "text": "Righteousness, not as in religion." }, { "end_time": "50:26", "start_time": "50:20", "text": "Righteousness, justice, right cause, you know, is superior." }, { "end_time": "50:32", "start_time": "50:28", "text": "Dharma That part is never told." }, { "end_time": "50:36", "start_time": "50:33", "text": "The British were, after 18 57, were shaken up." }, { "end_time": "50:43", "start_time": "50:36", "text": "They never wanted to, let India get violent once again, and overthrow the British rule." }, { "end_time": "50:45", "start_time": "50:43", "text": "They wanted India peaceful." }, { "end_time": "50:54", "start_time": "50:45", "text": "Unfortunately, Mahatma Gandhi, you were very sincere, very sincere in his methods, in his beliefs, in his thinking." }, { "end_time": "50:57", "start_time": "50:54", "text": "He was exploited by the British to keep India peaceful." }, { "end_time": "50:59", "start_time": "50:57", "text": "What more did they want?" }, { "end_time": "51:02", "start_time": "50:59", "text": "Why did they give him such a high media profile?" }, { "end_time": "51:04", "start_time": "51:02", "text": "Because he was keeping India peaceful." }, { "end_time": "51:07", "start_time": "51:04", "text": "So India forgot its roots and moorings." }, { "end_time": "51:10", "start_time": "51:07", "text": "This book is to take you back to your roots." }, { "end_time": "51:17", "start_time": "51:11", "text": "To tell you who you are, what you are capable of, and what we can still do." }, { "end_time": "51:23", "start_time": "51:17", "text": "I'm afraid we can't be, monastic and world denying if we want to become a super part." }, { "end_time": "51:32", "start_time": "51:23", "text": "We have to be ready to fight to protect ourselves, to defend ourselves, and not defense by fighting on your own soil only." }, { "end_time": "51:39", "start_time": "51:32", "text": "Without embargo ban on going across, you have to be able to be proactive and cross and hit him in his in his country." }, { "end_time": "51:42", "start_time": "51:40", "text": "Why should he let him come to our country?" }, { "end_time": "51:52", "start_time": "51:43", "text": "So, you know, there is a concept called soma in the Rig Veda and in all the Vedas, very specifically in the 9th, section of the Rig Veda." }, { "end_time": "51:53", "start_time": "51:52", "text": "What is this soma?" }, { "end_time": "51:57", "start_time": "51:54", "text": "You know, the soma was supposed to make you ecstatic." }, { "end_time": "52:02", "start_time": "51:57", "text": "The soma was supposed to confer upon you great amount of creativity, insight." }, { "end_time": "52:06", "start_time": "52:03", "text": "And it took away all fear and pain." }, { "end_time": "52:14", "start_time": "52:08", "text": "It took away all fear and pain and made you absolutely invincible on the battlefield." }, { "end_time": "52:21", "start_time": "52:15", "text": "So not only was it required by the rishis and sages and the scholars, it was equally required by the warrior." }, { "end_time": "52:23", "start_time": "52:22", "text": "So what was this soma?" }, { "end_time": "52:27", "start_time": "52:24", "text": "A lot of people felt it was a psychotropic plant." }, { "end_time": "52:35", "start_time": "52:27", "text": "Somblata used to grow on the lower foothills of the Himalayas in Western Kashmir, Western Tibet, west, parts of Afghanistan." }, { "end_time": "52:38", "start_time": "52:36", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "52:39", "start_time": "52:38", "text": "We call it Soma." }, { "end_time": "52:41", "start_time": "52:39", "text": "The Iranians call it Homa." }, { "end_time": "52:43", "start_time": "52:41", "text": "They pronounce s with an h." }, { "end_time": "52:44", "start_time": "52:43", "text": "We call it the Sindhu." }, { "end_time": "52:46", "start_time": "52:44", "text": "They call it the Hindu." }, { "end_time": "52:47", "start_time": "52:47", "text": "Haptahindhu." }, { "end_time": "52:48", "start_time": "52:48", "text": "Saptahindhu." }, { "end_time": "52:49", "start_time": "52:49", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "52:54", "start_time": "52:49", "text": "So So they also had this concept of, Soma, a psychotropic plant." }, { "end_time": "53:08", "start_time": "52:54", "text": "This concept was there with all the shamans in Siberia, in Alaska, in North America, South America, Australia, Aborigines, they all had a concept of a psychotropic plant of magical qualities." }, { "end_time": "53:13", "start_time": "53:08", "text": "But there is a new research that is now coming up that it was not exogenous." }, { "end_time": "53:15", "start_time": "53:13", "text": "That means it was not something taken from outside." }, { "end_time": "53:21", "start_time": "53:16", "text": "Your own brain secretes neurotransmitters of 3 types." }, { "end_time": "53:24", "start_time": "53:21", "text": "1 is called the endorphins and encephalins." }, { "end_time": "53:27", "start_time": "53:24", "text": "They're the most complex opiates of the brain." }, { "end_time": "53:31", "start_time": "53:28", "text": "They actually give you ecstasy and joy and euphoria." }, { "end_time": "53:34", "start_time": "53:31", "text": "They increase learning abilities and insight." }, { "end_time": "53:37", "start_time": "53:35", "text": "And they take away pain and fear." }, { "end_time": "53:41", "start_time": "53:38", "text": "These are chemicals secreted by the brain." }, { "end_time": "53:42", "start_time": "53:41", "text": "Human brain." }, { "end_time": "53:47", "start_time": "53:44", "text": "So if you meditate, you secrete these chemicals." }, { "end_time": "53:52", "start_time": "53:48", "text": "You also secrete dopamine serotonin, which gives you a high." }, { "end_time": "54:00", "start_time": "53:52", "text": "In battle when you are scared and you are you get an inner dose of neurochemical which give you a high boy." }, { "end_time": "54:02", "start_time": "54:00", "text": "Morale is half the battle won." }, { "end_time": "54:05", "start_time": "54:03", "text": "You go in that war winning attitude." }, { "end_time": "54:09", "start_time": "54:06", "text": "But even when you are short here, you hardly feel the pain." }, { "end_time": "54:10", "start_time": "54:09", "text": "You keep fighting." }, { "end_time": "54:14", "start_time": "54:11", "text": "Officers refusing to be evacuated under shell and shot." }, { "end_time": "54:16", "start_time": "54:15", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "54:18", "start_time": "54:16", "text": "I'm giving you a revolutionary concept." }, { "end_time": "54:24", "start_time": "54:19", "text": "Now being tested, tried in laboratories in the United States." }, { "end_time": "54:33", "start_time": "54:26", "text": "There is a molecule called DMT, which also gives similar reactions produced by the brain." }, { "end_time": "54:35", "start_time": "54:34", "text": "Why is it produced?" }, { "end_time": "54:38", "start_time": "54:35", "text": "You see, when you do meditation, you shut your eyes." }, { "end_time": "54:42", "start_time": "54:38", "text": "Nature has given you certain species preservation mechanisms." }, { "end_time": "54:51", "start_time": "54:43", "text": "If a caveman was attacked by a tiger, a saber toothed tiger, was he, you know, was he." }, { "end_time": "54:54", "start_time": "54:52", "text": "Did he have legs which could run away from a tiger?" }, { "end_time": "54:59", "start_time": "54:55", "text": "And when he had family and kids to protect, could he run away from a tiger?" }, { "end_time": "55:00", "start_time": "54:59", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "55:02", "start_time": "55:01", "text": "He had to stand up and fight." }, { "end_time": "55:04", "start_time": "55:03", "text": "How could he fight a tiger?" }, { "end_time": "55:08", "start_time": "55:05", "text": "Pick up a burning log of wood, poke it in his eyes and noose." }, { "end_time": "55:10", "start_time": "55:09", "text": "Pick up a stone, throw it at him." }, { "end_time": "55:11", "start_time": "55:10", "text": "Make spears." }, { "end_time": "55:15", "start_time": "55:13", "text": "Make flint, stone, swords, whatever." }, { "end_time": "55:16", "start_time": "55:16", "text": "Fight that." }, { "end_time": "55:21", "start_time": "55:16", "text": "That is the only way you can stand up and fight and have a chance in hell of surviving." }, { "end_time": "55:24", "start_time": "55:22", "text": "For that you need courage, boy." }, { "end_time": "55:27", "start_time": "55:24", "text": "And where does courage come from, from this soma?" }, { "end_time": "55:38", "start_time": "55:27", "text": "Now whether it was externally induced soma, I am inclined to believe on the basis of my personal experience and what I have understood of the Vedas, that soma was internal." }, { "end_time": "55:40", "start_time": "55:38", "text": "Soma was egg." }, { "end_time": "55:41", "start_time": "55:41", "text": "Endogenous." }, { "end_time": "55:44", "start_time": "55:42", "text": "Produced by the human brain and body itself." }, { "end_time": "55:45", "start_time": "55:45", "text": "Gut." }, { "end_time": "55:48", "start_time": "55:45", "text": "The gut also secretes some neurotransmitters." }, { "end_time": "55:49", "start_time": "55:49", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "55:50", "start_time": "55:49", "text": "I have a gut feeling." }, { "end_time": "55:51", "start_time": "55:50", "text": "He has guts." }, { "end_time": "55:53", "start_time": "55:52", "text": "You get that?" }, { "end_time": "55:55", "start_time": "55:54", "text": "I'm talking scientific fact." }, { "end_time": "55:59", "start_time": "55:56", "text": "And all this research is to give you that scientific fact." }, { "end_time": "56:05", "start_time": "55:59", "text": "I have shown you how the Vedas are not archaic bits of poetry." }, { "end_time": "56:07", "start_time": "56:05", "text": "They are so aligned with quantum mechanics." }, { "end_time": "56:10", "start_time": "56:08", "text": "That is why I'm calling it the quantum book of Soma." }, { "end_time": "56:14", "start_time": "56:11", "text": "They're so aligned with cosmology." }, { "end_time": "56:17", "start_time": "56:14", "text": "They're so aligned with neuroscience." }, { "end_time": "56:19", "start_time": "56:17", "text": "What neuroscience is coming to now." }, { "end_time": "56:24", "start_time": "56:19", "text": "You know, the biggest question in modern physics is, what exactly is consciousness?" }, { "end_time": "56:26", "start_time": "56:24", "text": "That's called the hard problem." }, { "end_time": "56:32", "start_time": "56:27", "text": "The Vedas attempted to crack this hard problem about 9000 years from today." }, { "end_time": "56:35", "start_time": "56:33", "text": "That is as per radiocarbon dating." }, { "end_time": "56:35", "start_time": "56:35", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "56:36", "start_time": "56:35", "text": "Radiocarbon." }, { "end_time": "56:42", "start_time": "56:36", "text": "I'm not talking, some stuff from any Shaka learned here or there." }, { "end_time": "56:45", "start_time": "56:42", "text": "I'm telling you hard empirical facts." }, { "end_time": "56:49", "start_time": "56:46", "text": "So this is a book that is needed by the scientists." }, { "end_time": "56:51", "start_time": "56:50", "text": "It's needed by our soldiers." }, { "end_time": "56:56", "start_time": "56:52", "text": "It's needed by our scholars, artists who want to be creative." }, { "end_time": "57:00", "start_time": "56:57", "text": "Creativity is the key to any civilization." }, { "end_time": "57:04", "start_time": "57:00", "text": "The Americans are the most innovative, creative people right now." }, { "end_time": "57:04", "start_time": "57:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "57:12", "start_time": "57:04", "text": "Maybe in 5, 10 years, hopefully, the youth of India today will, take that pedestal as being one of the most creative populations of the world." }, { "end_time": "57:21", "start_time": "57:12", "text": "So, but honestly, I feel it's books like these conversations like these that kind of initiate that creativity within a teenager's mind within a college student's mind." }, { "end_time": "57:24", "start_time": "57:21", "text": "So We need creativity across the board." }, { "end_time": "57:46", "start_time": "57:24", "text": "Whether it is an IIT grad, with a start up, whether it is it is a scientist who's working in the lab, you know, cutting edge, fields, whether it is a technology guy making new cars, Elon Musk making, high build, I mean, an electrical car which runs almost as fast as your petrol car." }, { "end_time": "57:48", "start_time": "57:47", "text": "You need creativity." }, { "end_time": "57:51", "start_time": "57:49", "text": "Creativity is the key to progress." }, { "end_time": "57:53", "start_time": "57:52", "text": "Building something new." }, { "end_time": "57:56", "start_time": "57:54", "text": "Discarding the old, getting to the due." }, { "end_time": "57:59", "start_time": "57:56", "text": "So creativity, how do you enhance creativity?" }, { "end_time": "58:01", "start_time": "57:59", "text": "By the process of meditation." }, { "end_time": "58:02", "start_time": "58:01", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "58:03", "start_time": "58:02", "text": "By the process of meditation." }, { "end_time": "58:11", "start_time": "58:03", "text": "You see create those neurotransmitters that the pleasure pathways and the learning pathways are the same in the human brain." }, { "end_time": "58:17", "start_time": "58:12", "text": "I've done a lot of anatomy study and lot of neuroscience latest field study." }, { "end_time": "58:22", "start_time": "58:17", "text": "This have been incorporated in the book so that our people learn." }, { "end_time": "58:27", "start_time": "58:22", "text": "And you see, we have a British era used habit." }, { "end_time": "58:28", "start_time": "58:27", "text": "Everything deshi is inferior." }, { "end_time": "58:30", "start_time": "58:29", "text": "No good." }, { "end_time": "58:31", "start_time": "58:30", "text": "Useless." }, { "end_time": "58:34", "start_time": "58:31", "text": "You know, it has to be foreign." }, { "end_time": "58:36", "start_time": "58:34", "text": "That's why we all want to emigrate abroad." }, { "end_time": "58:43", "start_time": "58:36", "text": "But in your own in your own lore, the Vedas are your root origin." }, { "end_time": "58:46", "start_time": "58:44", "text": "The source books of your civilization." }, { "end_time": "58:51", "start_time": "58:48", "text": "Today, you ask the kids which is the basic book of the Hindus." }, { "end_time": "58:54", "start_time": "58:52", "text": "They'll say it is the Gita." }, { "end_time": "59:00", "start_time": "58:54", "text": "The Gita is one of the Upanishads, which is a derivative of the Vedas." }, { "end_time": "59:04", "start_time": "59:01", "text": "Kids can't name the 4, Vedas." }, { "end_time": "59:13", "start_time": "59:04", "text": "And then, you know, we are under civilization attack now as the Indic religion, the Hindu Buddhist religion are under attack." }, { "end_time": "59:21", "start_time": "59:13", "text": "How 45 universities got together in the United States to hold a seminar dismantling Hindu Twa." }, { "end_time": "59:26", "start_time": "59:21", "text": "Very thinly disguised attack not just on the Hindu Twa, but on Hindus themselves." }, { "end_time": "59:28", "start_time": "59:26", "text": "The Hindu religion itself." }, { "end_time": "59:34", "start_time": "59:28", "text": "So I'm sorry, we don't like to go around, converting people or this thing, But now the time has come to defend yourself." }, { "end_time": "59:41", "start_time": "59:36", "text": "That is what is now the you see the civilization churned in India post 2014." }, { "end_time": "59:44", "start_time": "59:42", "text": "Is that we will stand up and defend ourselves." }, { "end_time": "59:50", "start_time": "59:44", "text": "At a point in time, the Jews said, we will fight and we will defend, and look where Israel is today." }, { "end_time": "1:00:07", "start_time": "59:51", "text": "I think we have to go that path, and that's why this book on Soma, whether you take it as poetry, inspirational poetry, whether you take it as neuroscience, how to enhance creativity, how to increase courage." }, { "end_time": "1:00:10", "start_time": "1:00:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:00:11", "start_time": "1:00:10", "text": "All winning factor." }, { "end_time": "1:00:13", "start_time": "1:00:12", "text": "All winning factor." }, { "end_time": "1:00:15", "start_time": "1:00:13", "text": "It leaks up with all the rest that I have said." }, { "end_time": "1:00:16", "start_time": "1:00:15", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:00:20", "start_time": "1:00:16", "text": "General major JD Bakshi, sir, thank you once again for being on the runway show." }, { "end_time": "1:00:21", "start_time": "1:00:20", "text": "We salute you." }, { "end_time": "1:00:24", "start_time": "1:00:21", "text": "The entire youths salutes the entire Indian army." }, { "end_time": "1:00:30", "start_time": "1:00:24", "text": "We salute general, Bipin Rawat, sir, and, of course, all the soldiers who lost their lives this past week." }, { "end_time": "1:00:31", "start_time": "1:00:30", "text": "Thank you for being on the show, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:00:33", "start_time": "1:00:31", "text": "We're looking forward to having you again." }, { "end_time": "1:00:34", "start_time": "1:00:33", "text": "Thank you for sharing your knowledge." }, { "end_time": "1:00:35", "start_time": "1:00:34", "text": "Thank you, Fahad." }, { "end_time": "1:00:39", "start_time": "1:00:37", "text": "That was the episode for today." }, { "end_time": "1:00:48", "start_time": "1:00:39", "text": "Before talking about this particular episode from my own perspective, I definitely would like to highlight the TRS clips YouTube channel once again." }, { "end_time": "1:01:00", "start_time": "1:00:49", "text": "Because I feel like what the nation needs now, especially the youth of the nation, we need to be educated about multiple subjects in the same way that major general GD Bakshi just highlighted through the course of this episode." }, { "end_time": "1:01:04", "start_time": "1:01:01", "text": "The youth of this nation is going to build our nation going forward." }, { "end_time": "1:01:09", "start_time": "1:01:04", "text": "And it's very important for its future leaders to know about multiple subjects." }, { "end_time": "1:01:11", "start_time": "1:01:09", "text": "Please subscribe to that YouTube channel." }, { "end_time": "1:01:16", "start_time": "1:01:11", "text": "It just contains the best bits from every episode, 2 episodes a week." }, { "end_time": "1:01:20", "start_time": "1:01:16", "text": "Every episodes released on Spotify 48 hours before it's released anywhere in the world." }, { "end_time": "1:01:22", "start_time": "1:01:20", "text": "So make sure you follow us there." }, { "end_time": "1:01:29", "start_time": "1:01:22", "text": "As for this episode, it is definitely not the last army episode that we're releasing on this channel." }, { "end_time": "1:01:37", "start_time": "1:01:29", "text": "It's my personal duty towards my nation to release these kind of stories, these kind of perspectives to the world of the Indian internet." }, { "end_time": "1:01:43", "start_time": "1:01:37", "text": "And yes, while some people might find some of these perspectives a little bit too fiery, it is how it is." }, { "end_time": "1:01:50", "start_time": "1:01:43", "text": "And I feel that the perspectives that need to be respected the most in our society are the perspectives of army veterans." }, { "end_time": "1:01:52", "start_time": "1:01:50", "text": "They've seen more than most of us." }, { "end_time": "1:01:54", "start_time": "1:01:52", "text": "They've experienced more than most of us." }, { "end_time": "1:02:01", "start_time": "1:01:54", "text": "They have much stronger insights when it comes to geopolitics, when it comes to national security." }, { "end_time": "1:02:04", "start_time": "1:02:01", "text": "These people need to be out there more on the Indian internet." }, { "end_time": "1:02:11", "start_time": "1:02:04", "text": "I'd like to end this particular episode by addressing members of the defense forces who are listening to this podcast till this point." }, { "end_time": "1:02:15", "start_time": "1:02:11", "text": "Please reach out, help us create even more episodes." }, { "end_time": "1:02:21", "start_time": "1:02:15", "text": "Our goal is to create at least one episode with a member of the Navy, the Air Force, or the Army." }, { "end_time": "1:02:25", "start_time": "1:02:21", "text": "Every month, we're doing 2 English podcasts, 1 Hindi podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:02:29", "start_time": "1:02:25", "text": "We want to celebrate the defense forces even more on the Indian internet." }, { "end_time": "1:02:30", "start_time": "1:02:29", "text": "So please reach out." }, { "end_time": "1:02:35", "start_time": "1:02:30", "text": "If you're listening until this point, the Indian youth does want to learn from the defense forces." }, { "end_time": "1:02:38", "start_time": "1:02:35", "text": "The Indian youth does want to help build the country." } ] }

[ { "content": "**Task Description:** \nYou are provided with a YouTube video transcript in JSON format, where each entry is synchronized with its respective timestamp. This transcript contains the spoken text along with its start and end times. Your objective is to generate high-quality, chapter-wise segments that accurately represent key points or transitions within the video.\n\n**Transcript JSON Format:** \nThe transcript is formatted as a list of dictionaries, where each dictionary represents a spoken sentence, including its text and corresponding start and end times.\n\n**Example Transcript:** \n```json\n[\n {\n \"text\": \"The narrative in the public eye is that you left working with the Modi government because your opinions weren't heard.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:07\"\n },\n {\n \"text\": \"I want to know your side of the story.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:08\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:10\"\n },\n ...\n]\n```\n\n**Your Task:** \nUsing the given transcript, generate a JSON output that breaks down the video into meaningful chapters. Each chapter should encapsulate a key segment of the video and be accompanied by a concise, informative title that reflects the essence of that segment.\n\n**Chapter JSON Format:** \nThe output should follow this structure:\n```json\n{\n \"chapters\": [\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"title\": \"Introduction and Opening Remarks\"\n },\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:07\",\n \"title\": \"Discussing the Exit from Modi Government\"\n },\n ...\n ]\n}\n```\n\n**Requirements:** \n1. **Identify Key Segments:** Extract significant portions of the transcript that represent shifts in topic, important discussions, or transitions in conversation.\n2. **Craft Informative Titles:** Each chapter title should be clear, engaging, and directly related to the content covered in that segment.\n3. **Preserve Time Stamps:** Ensure that each chapter's `start_time` corresponds to the first instance of a key topic or segment in the transcript.\n4. **Conciseness is Key:** While titles should be descriptive, avoid making them overly lengthy. Aim for a balance between informativeness and brevity.", "role": "system" }, { "content": "{'transcripts': array([{'end_time': '0:07', 'start_time': '0:00', 'text': 'The best part about running this podcast is the opportunities that I get to speak to members of the defense forces of this country.'},\n {'end_time': '0:28', 'start_time': '0:07', 'text': \"During a week where the country is collectively mourning the loss of general Bipin Rawat and everyone who's with him in that fatal helicopter crash, We got a chance to record this particular episode with major general GD Bakshi who's given us a fantastic Hindi episode on a Hindi podcast, but this particular one was targeted towards urban audiences primarily.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:34', 'start_time': '0:29', 'text': \"This is the Indian Army's message for Indian youth, for the average Indian citizen.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:42', 'start_time': '0:34', 'text': 'Of course, we spoke about the helicopter crash, but we also spoke about the past, present, and the future of the Indian Army.'},\n {'end_time': '0:50', 'start_time': '0:42', 'text': \"So if you're someone like me who enjoys knowing more about the Indian Army, about the Defense Forces in general, you'll enjoy this episode.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:54', 'start_time': '0:51', 'text': 'Remember, guys, we also have a highlights channel.'},\n {'end_time': '0:58', 'start_time': '0:54', 'text': \"It's a separate YouTube channel where you'll only find the highlights of this podcast.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:00', 'start_time': '0:58', 'text': \"It's called TRS clips.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:02', 'start_time': '1:00', 'text': 'Also, remember to follow us on Spotify.'},\n {'end_time': '1:11', 'start_time': '1:03', 'text': \"TRS is a Spotify exclusive now, which means that every episode is available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:20', 'start_time': '1:11', 'text': 'This is Major General GD Bakshi who returns on the Ranveer show with a very fiery, very impactful episode.'},\n {'end_time': '1:21', 'start_time': '1:20', 'text': 'Jai Hind.'},\n {'end_time': '1:40', 'start_time': '1:37', 'text': 'General major G d Bakshi, sir, welcome back to the Renveesh show.'},\n {'end_time': '1:45', 'start_time': '1:40', 'text': \"You've given us an absolutely fantastic episode on our Hindi channel.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:48', 'start_time': '1:45', 'text': \"We're very, very honored to have you back on the English show, sir.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:50', 'start_time': '1:49', 'text': 'Thank you for having me.'},\n {'end_time': '2:01', 'start_time': '1:52', 'text': 'Sir, the nation is collectively mourning the loss of, 11 of its great sons, including general Bipin Rawat, sir.'},\n {'end_time': '2:08', 'start_time': '2:02', 'text': 'You know, we even had to postpone the recording of this podcast because of whatever happened this past week.'},\n {'end_time': '2:12', 'start_time': '2:09', 'text': \"So what's the general sentiment in the Indian army?\"},\n {'end_time': '2:14', 'start_time': '2:12', 'text': \"Like what's happening on ground right now?\"},\n {'end_time': '2:21', 'start_time': '2:15', 'text': \"I know that you knew general Raul personally, so, I can't even imagine what you are going through yourself.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:24', 'start_time': '2:21', 'text': \"We'd love to hear what you have to say about the situation.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:31', 'start_time': '2:25', 'text': 'You know, it has been a monumental national tragedy of massive proportions.'},\n {'end_time': '2:34', 'start_time': '2:32', 'text': \"We've lost General Vipin Rawat.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:36', 'start_time': '2:35', 'text': \"We've lost the lady.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:42', 'start_time': '2:37', 'text': \"And we've lost, you know, some very brilliant officers on his staff and his guard.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:45', 'start_time': '2:42', 'text': 'His entire entourage went down with that helicopter.'},\n {'end_time': '2:53', 'start_time': '2:45', 'text': 'Only there is only one survivor who is battling for his life right now, group captain from the air force who was an instructor at the staff college.'},\n {'end_time': '2:57', 'start_time': '2:54', 'text': 'It has been a massive tragedy and a great blow.'},\n {'end_time': '3:07', 'start_time': '2:58', 'text': \"General Bipin Rawat was the chief of the army staff, and he went on to be India's first chief of defense staff.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:08', 'start_time': '3:07', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '3:09', 'start_time': '3:08', 'text': 'He was a combat soldier.'},\n {'end_time': '3:14', 'start_time': '3:10', 'text': 'After one assignment, after another, he had been in combat.'},\n {'end_time': '3:24', 'start_time': '3:14', 'text': 'You know, whether in J and K, 2, 3, tenures, he had served as a, brigade commander of the RR sector in the valley.'},\n {'end_time': '3:28', 'start_time': '3:24', 'text': 'Then he was on the Udi, on the line of control, commanding a division.'},\n {'end_time': '3:32', 'start_time': '3:29', 'text': 'Earlier than that, he has been in a number of other combat assignments.'},\n {'end_time': '3:35', 'start_time': '3:33', 'text': 'He had served in the northeast, etcetera.'},\n {'end_time': '3:38', 'start_time': '3:36', 'text': 'You know, his decorations say it all.'},\n {'end_time': '3:40', 'start_time': '3:38', 'text': 'Vishisiva medal.'},\n {'end_time': '3:42', 'start_time': '3:40', 'text': 'Uttam yudseva medal.'},\n {'end_time': '3:44', 'start_time': '3:42', 'text': 'Ati wishesseva medal.'},\n {'end_time': '3:46', 'start_time': '3:44', 'text': 'Yudseva medal.'},\n {'end_time': '3:47', 'start_time': '3:46', 'text': 'Sena medal.'},\n {'end_time': '3:48', 'start_time': '3:47', 'text': 'Vishseva medal.'},\n {'end_time': '3:49', 'start_time': '3:48', 'text': 'My God.'},\n {'end_time': '3:51', 'start_time': '3:49', 'text': \"That's quite a chest full of ribbons.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:54', 'start_time': '3:52', 'text': 'Quite a chest full of ribbons, you know.'},\n {'end_time': '3:58', 'start_time': '3:54', 'text': \"And, he was, he was a soldier's soldier.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:02', 'start_time': '3:59', 'text': 'He had been in combat, seen it all, done it all.'},\n {'end_time': '4:11', 'start_time': '4:02', 'text': \"And I don't think that, you know, it's very right for anybody to aspire to be the chief unless he has had solid extensive combat experience.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:17', 'start_time': '4:12', 'text': 'He has experienced the fog of war, taking, you know, calls in the fog of war.'},\n {'end_time': '4:19', 'start_time': '4:18', 'text': 'So he had that all.'},\n {'end_time': '4:38', 'start_time': '4:20', 'text': 'I was very privileged that I was posted as an instructor in the Indian Military Academy from 1977 to 1988, when during this period he was a gentleman cadet at the IMA under training, and I had the privilege to impart him training.'},\n {'end_time': '4:42', 'start_time': '4:39', 'text': 'And, he had earned the sword of honor there.'},\n {'end_time': '4:44', 'start_time': '4:42', 'text': 'He had earned the sword of honor there.'},\n {'end_time': '4:48', 'start_time': '4:44', 'text': 'And, we knew he was cut out for great things.'},\n {'end_time': '4:57', 'start_time': '4:49', 'text': 'Because he was, you know, showing very early signs of all that he would achieve subsequently in life.'},\n {'end_time': '5:01', 'start_time': '4:57', 'text': 'So we had marked him out as, you know, separate from the rest.'},\n {'end_time': '5:13', 'start_time': '5:01', 'text': 'And, it was very satisfying to see, the growth, professional growth and rise of one of your students, one of your cadets, you know, as a instructor.'},\n {'end_time': '5:15', 'start_time': '5:14', 'text': 'It was a great privilege for me.'},\n {'end_time': '5:18', 'start_time': '5:16', 'text': 'He was a very he was a 2nd generation soldier.'},\n {'end_time': '5:22', 'start_time': '5:18', 'text': 'His father was a general in the army too, a lieutenant general.'},\n {'end_time': '5:25', 'start_time': '5:22', 'text': 'And, he served in the Gulkar rifle.'},\n {'end_time': '5:29', 'start_time': '5:25', 'text': 'He was an infantry officer, salt of this earth, etcetera.'},\n {'end_time': '5:37', 'start_time': '5:30', 'text': 'Very bright, very brilliant, very future oriented, very much change oriented.'},\n {'end_time': '5:44', 'start_time': '5:38', 'text': 'You see, good officer is one who has an aura of creative change around him, You know?'},\n {'end_time': '5:47', 'start_time': '5:44', 'text': 'So he was he was, he was brilliant.'},\n {'end_time': '5:51', 'start_time': '5:49', 'text': 'His going, therefore, is a personal loss.'},\n {'end_time': '5:54', 'start_time': '5:52', 'text': 'I knew him very well.'},\n {'end_time': '5:59', 'start_time': '5:54', 'text': 'Even after the, you know, the academy, his training got over, we kept in touch.'},\n {'end_time': '6:02', 'start_time': '6:00', 'text': 'Our paths kept crossing at numerous places.'},\n {'end_time': '6:09', 'start_time': '6:02', 'text': 'When I was commanding a battalion in Cargill, he was in the military operations directorate where I had served previously.'},\n {'end_time': '6:12', 'start_time': '6:09', 'text': 'He had come with the DGMO to visit my battalion.'},\n {'end_time': '6:14', 'start_time': '6:12', 'text': 'We had met after ages.'},\n {'end_time': '6:18', 'start_time': '6:14', 'text': 'And then we continued our paths continued to cross when he was the vice chief.'},\n {'end_time': '6:38', 'start_time': '6:18', 'text': 'When he became the vice chief, then, you know, we met at a function, and then he requested me to, sort of come and meet him and, used to occasionally call call me, take my inputs, advice, consult me on various professional issues, take my views, and he was gracious enough.'},\n {'end_time': '6:48', 'start_time': '6:38', 'text': 'I was I was, now, of course, he was, 3, 2 2, 3 ranks above 2 ranks above me then, and thereafter, 4 ranks above me.'},\n {'end_time': '6:50', 'start_time': '6:48', 'text': 'But he was gracious enough to an old instructor.'},\n {'end_time': '7:01', 'start_time': '6:50', 'text': 'He would get up from his office chair and come and receive me at the at the door and take me, sit down and discuss, take notes, and act on them.'},\n {'end_time': '7:19', 'start_time': '7:01', 'text': 'So we had a very, very, what shall I say, very productive kind of a relationship in which I could put in my 2 pennies worth even after retirement, and it was very, very pleasant to be to be listened to with so much of attention and regard.'},\n {'end_time': '7:24', 'start_time': '7:21', 'text': 'He was a man in a hurry.'},\n {'end_time': '7:26', 'start_time': '7:25', 'text': 'Like I said, he was change oriented.'},\n {'end_time': '7:49', 'start_time': '7:27', 'text': 'After he successfully commanded the Indian Army as a chief, and in his time, he launched proactive operations, cross border operations into Myanmar, And then he was there in chair when the Udi operations went into the surgical strike by our special forces 2, 3 kilometers inside occupied Kashmir.'},\n {'end_time': '7:54', 'start_time': '7:49', 'text': 'And, then, of course, he was there during the Balakot time.'},\n {'end_time': '7:59', 'start_time': '7:54', 'text': \"Also, he became the chief of defense staff, India's first chief of defense staff.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:11', 'start_time': '8:00', 'text': 'He has left an indelible impact upon our military acquisition process that was mired, steeped in delays.'},\n {'end_time': '8:24', 'start_time': '8:12', 'text': \"Bureaucratic red tape, just wasting time amounting to nothing and critical time because you can't let, military acquisition projects language for decades.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:26', 'start_time': '8:25', 'text': 'Not years, decades.'},\n {'end_time': '8:29', 'start_time': '8:28', 'text': 'He changed all that.'},\n {'end_time': '8:34', 'start_time': '8:29', 'text': 'He designed his next job himself, the chief of defense staff job.'},\n {'end_time': '8:41', 'start_time': '8:34', 'text': 'He was given the powers of a secretary of the government of India, and that gave him the financial powers to do this.'},\n {'end_time': '8:45', 'start_time': '8:41', 'text': 'He integrated, really, the Ministry of Defense with the military.'},\n {'end_time': '8:52', 'start_time': '8:45', 'text': 'He brought in uniform soldiers there, opened up military affairs bureau there, and headed that bureau.'},\n {'end_time': '9:02', 'start_time': '8:52', 'text': 'He worked very closely with the national security adviser, mister Doval, and he also worked very closely with the prime minister, the top of the political establishment.'},\n {'end_time': '9:05', 'start_time': '9:02', 'text': 'He had their trust and faith and their ear.'},\n {'end_time': '9:07', 'start_time': '9:05', 'text': 'So he could push through a lot of projects.'},\n {'end_time': '9:14', 'start_time': '9:08', 'text': 'You see, this, whole arms acquisition process, he revolutionized.'},\n {'end_time': '9:15', 'start_time': '9:15', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '9:17', 'start_time': '9:15', 'text': 'Revolutionized this process.'},\n {'end_time': '9:29', 'start_time': '9:17', 'text': 'And, to the extent that, you know, when China, created problems for us last year, Within a matter of months, he got us 3 squadrons of, you know, fighter aircraft.'},\n {'end_time': '9:33', 'start_time': '9:30', 'text': 'A squadron of Sukhois, 2 squadrons of MiG 20 nines.'},\n {'end_time': '9:42', 'start_time': '9:34', 'text': 'And, because the he was the chief of defense staff, he got in the bay navy big 20 nines, you know, moved them up towards Ladakh.'},\n {'end_time': '9:44', 'start_time': '9:43', 'text': 'So he synergized.'},\n {'end_time': '9:52', 'start_time': '9:45', 'text': \"He synergized operation, used Marco's commandos and the others for operations against the Chinese.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:55', 'start_time': '9:53', 'text': 'He got in the Rafales.'},\n {'end_time': '9:57', 'start_time': '9:55', 'text': 'They came in his time.'},\n {'end_time': '10:01', 'start_time': '9:57', 'text': 'He, you know, the s 400 missiles have come in his time.'},\n {'end_time': '10:03', 'start_time': '10:02', 'text': 'A missile system, a game changer.'},\n {'end_time': '10:06', 'start_time': '10:04', 'text': 'The assault rifle has come in his time.'},\n {'end_time': '10:08', 'start_time': '10:06', 'text': 'So he has left an enduring legacy.'},\n {'end_time': '10:16', 'start_time': '10:09', 'text': 'He there were a lot of controversy around him because he was a man in a hurry, very keen to bring about sweeping reforms and changes.'},\n {'end_time': '10:22', 'start_time': '10:17', 'text': 'Now there were people who felt, you know, he wanted to integrate the 3 services.'},\n {'end_time': '10:28', 'start_time': '10:22', 'text': 'There are 17 different single service headquarters, command level headquarters.'},\n {'end_time': '10:28', 'start_time': '10:28', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '10:38', 'start_time': '10:28', 'text': 'So he wanted to reduce them to just 4 theater commands On the American model, on the Chinese model, he wanted to reduce them to 4 theater commands.'},\n {'end_time': '10:47', 'start_time': '10:38', 'text': 'People were very worried, very frightened that, you know, China is threatening us, Pakistan is threatening us, There is the Taliban in Afghanistan.'},\n {'end_time': '10:50', 'start_time': '10:47', 'text': 'There are Turkey trying to create problems for us.'},\n {'end_time': '10:51', 'start_time': '10:50', 'text': 'There are the Maoists.'},\n {'end_time': '10:56', 'start_time': '10:51', 'text': 'There are the jihadists, and all these anti national elements within the country.'},\n {'end_time': '11:05', 'start_time': '10:56', 'text': 'So at such a grim national security scenario, should we be creating organizational turbulence of our own?'},\n {'end_time': '11:09', 'start_time': '11:05', 'text': 'Should we be bringing in such massive across the board changes?'},\n {'end_time': '11:11', 'start_time': '11:10', 'text': 'But he stuck to his gun.'},\n {'end_time': '11:19', 'start_time': '11:12', 'text': 'He stuck to his guns, and you need great moral courage and will power to do that in the face of trenchant opposition.'},\n {'end_time': '11:23', 'start_time': '11:20', 'text': 'And, he did that remarkably well.'},\n {'end_time': '11:25', 'start_time': '11:23', 'text': 'I we used to discuss very often.'},\n {'end_time': '11:35', 'start_time': '11:25', 'text': 'Yes, of course, we had our professional differences, but he was a remarkable and, very he did justice to the job of the chief of defense staff.'},\n {'end_time': '11:37', 'start_time': '11:36', 'text': \"So that's about general Rawat.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:42', 'start_time': '11:38', 'text': \"So it's men like this that have built out the great legacy of army.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:44', 'start_time': '11:43', 'text': 'People who are proactive.'},\n {'end_time': '11:45', 'start_time': '11:44', 'text': 'People who are patriotic.'},\n {'end_time': '11:49', 'start_time': '11:46', 'text': 'People who are, brave in the face of attacks.'},\n {'end_time': '11:49', 'start_time': '11:49', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '11:52', 'start_time': '11:49', 'text': 'People who developed counterattack, strategies.'},\n {'end_time': '12:04', 'start_time': '11:54', 'text': 'So the one advantage we have as podcasters running our own independent media channels is that we can talk about things that television can never talk about, which is what I want to ask you.'},\n {'end_time': '12:14', 'start_time': '12:04', 'text': 'I feel like we represent the people and there has been a lot of public chatter on social media about, you know, for lack of a better word conspiracy theories about this crash.'},\n {'end_time': '12:19', 'start_time': '12:15', 'text': \"I'd love to know what the army, has to say specifically about the crash.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:19', 'start_time': '12:19', 'text': 'Why did it happen?'},\n {'end_time': '12:22', 'start_time': '12:19', 'text': \"Because there's a lot of research being done about the helicopters used.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:25', 'start_time': '12:23', 'text': \"There's research being done about cybercrime.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:31', 'start_time': '12:25', 'text': \"There are questions being asked about, China's role possibly in this.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:33', 'start_time': '12:31', 'text': 'Is any of this true?'},\n {'end_time': '12:37', 'start_time': '12:33', 'text': 'And, is it even fair to bring up these allegations, sir?'},\n {'end_time': '12:53', 'start_time': '12:39', 'text': 'Look, the simple fact is that, to really answer this question, it would be very prudent and professional to first wait for the outcome of the court of inquiry.'},\n {'end_time': '13:03', 'start_time': '12:54', 'text': 'The black box, the data recorder, voice recorder, which is installed in every aircraft, and that is as the crucial clues to what really happened.'},\n {'end_time': '13:10', 'start_time': '13:03', 'text': 'Unless you analyze what is there in the data voice recorder and that black box as it is called, actually, it is painted orange.'},\n {'end_time': '13:12', 'start_time': '13:11', 'text': 'That has been recovered.'},\n {'end_time': '13:17', 'start_time': '13:12', 'text': 'There is a air marshal, level quote of inquiry which has been ordered.'},\n {'end_time': '13:19', 'start_time': '13:17', 'text': 'The the tri service quote of inquiry.'},\n {'end_time': '13:23', 'start_time': '13:20', 'text': \"They're all going into it as to how exactly it happened.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:27', 'start_time': '13:23', 'text': 'The b 17 v is a very sturdy machine.'},\n {'end_time': '13:33', 'start_time': '13:27', 'text': 'I personally have done 5 Elibon operations that otherwise flowed plenty of times with this helicopter.'},\n {'end_time': '13:39', 'start_time': '13:33', 'text': 'One of my post was being detained by b 17 helicopters when I was a brigade commander in Kistawar.'},\n {'end_time': '13:44', 'start_time': '13:39', 'text': 'And almost every second week, I used to take flights with that helicopter at, Kistawar.'},\n {'end_time': '13:48', 'start_time': '13:45', 'text': 'Very high altitude mountains and all that.'},\n {'end_time': '13:50', 'start_time': '13:48', 'text': 'This machine worked beautifully.'},\n {'end_time': '13:51', 'start_time': '13:50', 'text': 'We did not see a single crash.'},\n {'end_time': '13:56', 'start_time': '13:52', 'text': \"It's a very sturdy Russian machine, very rugged, very tough twin engine.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:01', 'start_time': '13:57', 'text': \"So the it's not, that it was a vintage aircraft then.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:08', 'start_time': '14:01', 'text': 'It was a VVIP aircraft flown by a very highly qualified selected crew.'},\n {'end_time': '14:20', 'start_time': '14:11', 'text': \"So I don't think, really of course, we'd have to await the quote of inquiry that, technical snag was the really the problem.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:27', 'start_time': '14:21', 'text': \"Now in the mountains that I've and, you know, luckily, I have served in, Wellington.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:30', 'start_time': '14:27', 'text': 'That is Kudur is just, next door town.'},\n {'end_time': '14:30', 'start_time': '14:30', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '14:33', 'start_time': '14:31', 'text': 'And I served there for three and a half years.'},\n {'end_time': '14:34', 'start_time': '14:33', 'text': 'I drove that area backwards.'},\n {'end_time': '14:39', 'start_time': '14:34', 'text': 'I had my house just overlooking that, helipad, you know.'},\n {'end_time': '14:43', 'start_time': '14:40', 'text': 'So, the Dalgiris are not very high.'},\n {'end_time': '14:46', 'start_time': '14:44', 'text': 'Just about 6, 7,000 feet.'},\n {'end_time': '14:50', 'start_time': '14:46', 'text': \"But it's a very steep climb and it's densely forested.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:51', 'start_time': '14:50', 'text': 'Very densely forested.'},\n {'end_time': '14:56', 'start_time': '14:52', 'text': 'And the weather is very mercurial like all hill stations.'},\n {'end_time': '15:01', 'start_time': '14:56', 'text': 'Suddenly, the the cloud it will be bright and shiny and clear and suddenly the clouds will come up.'},\n {'end_time': '15:03', 'start_time': '15:01', 'text': 'At least the hilltops would be all obscured.'},\n {'end_time': '15:11', 'start_time': '15:04', 'text': 'Now what happens is when you rise, there are, 2 protocols in in terms of flight.'},\n {'end_time': '15:17', 'start_time': '15:11', 'text': 'Either you fly by instrument, you know, or you fly by visual.'},\n {'end_time': '15:26', 'start_time': '15:18', 'text': 'You know, that means pilot uses his eyes to detect, obstacles and avoid collision.'},\n {'end_time': '15:27', 'start_time': '15:26', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '15:31', 'start_time': '15:27', 'text': 'Otherwise, if it is souped up from the beginning, you do instrument flying.'},\n {'end_time': '15:39', 'start_time': '15:32', 'text': 'Instrument flying means your radar tell you, your altimeters tell you how high or low you are and, what is up ahead.'},\n {'end_time': '15:42', 'start_time': '15:39', 'text': 'If there is an obstruction up ahead, the radar pings you.'},\n {'end_time': '15:50', 'start_time': '15:43', 'text': 'So when the weather is clear and when they took off from Solur, that is near Coimbatore, the weather was bright and fine.'},\n {'end_time': '15:51', 'start_time': '15:51', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '15:54', 'start_time': '15:51', 'text': \"It's sad that started climbing up in those 10 minutes.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:58', 'start_time': '15:54', 'text': 'Suddenly, the top of the hills were all obscured by clouds.'},\n {'end_time': '16:08', 'start_time': '15:59', 'text': 'Now when that happened suddenly, that means he must have been on on, line of sight on a fly by visual, you know, kind of a configuration.'},\n {'end_time': '16:21', 'start_time': '16:09', 'text': \"And I don't think he would have had the time to switch or may not have wanted to switch to instrument, flying because it was just, I think light cloud cover over the hills.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:25', 'start_time': '16:21', 'text': 'But that light cloud cover covers the hilltop.'},\n {'end_time': '16:41', 'start_time': '16:26', 'text': \"So when the helicopter is coming up and taking a bank over the hill to get to the valley to land at the, helipad, then, you know, you, may miss out some of the tall trees because you can't see them.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:44', 'start_time': '16:42', 'text': \"You just can't see them.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:46', 'start_time': '16:44', 'text': \"And you don't have the instruments to detect them.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:48', 'start_time': '16:46', 'text': 'But there are trees a 150 feet tall.'},\n {'end_time': '16:51', 'start_time': '16:48', 'text': \"I've seen that, you know, 80, 90 feet tall.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:52', 'start_time': '16:51', 'text': 'Those, jackfruit trees.'},\n {'end_time': '16:53', 'start_time': '16:52', 'text': 'Very tall.'},\n {'end_time': '16:54', 'start_time': '16:54', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '17:04', 'start_time': '16:55', 'text': 'So, one theory is that he hit one of the trees, and the helicopter crashed instantly.'},\n {'end_time': '17:06', 'start_time': '17:06', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '17:14', 'start_time': '17:06', 'text': 'And because the whole area was so densely forested, you know, the fire tenders could reach.'},\n {'end_time': '17:15', 'start_time': '17:14', 'text': 'The ambulances could reach.'},\n {'end_time': '17:20', 'start_time': '17:15', 'text': 'It took them, a lot of time to get off the road and get there and this thing.'},\n {'end_time': '17:23', 'start_time': '17:20', 'text': 'So the fire could not be put out in time.'},\n {'end_time': '17:27', 'start_time': '17:23', 'text': 'The the helicopter was carrying fuel for the return journey also.'},\n {'end_time': '17:29', 'start_time': '17:27', 'text': 'So it was really laden with fuel.'},\n {'end_time': '17:34', 'start_time': '17:30', 'text': 'High octane fuel and the movement helicopters crashes, they come down like a stone.'},\n {'end_time': '17:37', 'start_time': '17:35', 'text': 'And, huge fire started.'},\n {'end_time': '17:45', 'start_time': '17:37', 'text': \"So, that if the fire detectors had reached early, possibly we would have been able to save more people, but that didn't happen.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:50', 'start_time': '17:46', 'text': 'Now, there is a second theory because there is a clip going around.'},\n {'end_time': '17:56', 'start_time': '17:50', 'text': 'There is a video clip going around of some tourist who had seen this helicopter in almost the last moment.'},\n {'end_time': '17:59', 'start_time': '17:57', 'text': 'And that has been going big run on various channels.'},\n {'end_time': '18:04', 'start_time': '18:00', 'text': 'Firstly, we have to check out the authenticity of those videos.'},\n {'end_time': '18:07', 'start_time': '18:05', 'text': 'We have to ensure that they were not tampered with.'},\n {'end_time': '18:09', 'start_time': '18:07', 'text': 'They are not, you know, doctored.'},\n {'end_time': '18:13', 'start_time': '18:09', 'text': 'And, only then can we admit them as evidence.'},\n {'end_time': '18:21', 'start_time': '18:14', 'text': 'And they must be presented to the court of inquiry, so that they can come to more technical, valid conclusions.'},\n {'end_time': '18:38', 'start_time': '18:22', 'text': 'But, there is you know, in very similar circumstances, I think about 2 years back, a Taiwanese helicopter had crashed a Blackhawk again, a very reliable machine, which has been flying since Vietnam days.'},\n {'end_time': '18:44', 'start_time': '18:38', 'text': 'And, the chief of, staff of the Taiwanese armed forces, I mean, he was killed in that crash.'},\n {'end_time': '19:01', 'start_time': '18:45', 'text': 'So there were a lot of speculation that the Chinese had, a hand in the either sabotage or perhaps they have developed certain, you know, microwave, you know, kind of, instruments, which can fry up these circuits.'},\n {'end_time': '19:10', 'start_time': '19:01', 'text': 'You see, because most of there are a lot of electronics and computers involved in these aircraft, modern aircraft now, modern helicopters now.'},\n {'end_time': '19:12', 'start_time': '19:10', 'text': 'So they try up the circuits.'},\n {'end_time': '19:29', 'start_time': '19:13', 'text': 'There is another, you know, something in the literature which talks of trying to affect the pilot, his cognitive abilities, either by shining laser into his eyes or I mean, psychotronic weapons are being talked off, etcetera, etcetera.'},\n {'end_time': '19:41', 'start_time': '19:29', 'text': \"These are all, hypothetical theories right now, and we don't know because there have been some very unexplained crashes near the Chinese border of su thirties and aircraft like that.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:45', 'start_time': '19:42', 'text': 'So they were being attributed to what China was doing.'},\n {'end_time': '19:45', 'start_time': '19:45', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '19:46', 'start_time': '19:45', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '19:55', 'start_time': '19:48', 'text': 'But, right now, it would be very, very wrong to come and jump to a conclusion.'},\n {'end_time': '19:57', 'start_time': '19:55', 'text': 'Let the facts speak for themselves.'},\n {'end_time': '20:04', 'start_time': '19:57', 'text': 'There is an official court of inquiry, and I, for 1, would wait before I pronounce any kind of judgment.'},\n {'end_time': '20:10', 'start_time': '20:05', 'text': \"All that I'm saying is no angle should be ruled out because the loss to the country has been enormous.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:11', 'start_time': '20:11', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '20:12', 'start_time': '20:12', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '20:29', 'start_time': '20:12', 'text': \"So I think the nation is collectively sharing the same sentiment, and I'm sure there are a lot of, army officers who are going to carry on, general Rawa's legacy in terms of proactiveness, in terms of, something very interesting.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:44', 'start_time': '20:29', 'text': 'You said that he was known for his sense of change and a sense of hastiness, in a modern world where technology is developing so much, everybody knows now that the army actually encounters new technologies before civilians do.'},\n {'end_time': '20:50', 'start_time': '20:45', 'text': \"So I can't imagine the kind of technological advancements that, the armies are at the brink of.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:53', 'start_time': '20:50', 'text': \"And I think that's, general Rawa's legacy going forward.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:00', 'start_time': '20:53', 'text': 'That the, the officers who actually enable those technological advancements, they are the people who will be carrying his legacy forward.'},\n {'end_time': '21:01', 'start_time': '21:00', 'text': 'So No.'},\n {'end_time': '21:07', 'start_time': '21:01', 'text': 'Quite obviously, you see, because, very senior officer general has to be a change agent.'},\n {'end_time': '21:14', 'start_time': '21:07', 'text': 'Because technological change is, moving at such a rapid pace that Alvin Toffler had coined the word future shock.'},\n {'end_time': '21:15', 'start_time': '21:15', 'text': 'You see?'},\n {'end_time': '21:17', 'start_time': '21:15', 'text': \"And, you can't be shocked by the future.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:19', 'start_time': '21:17', 'text': 'You have to anticipate technology.'},\n {'end_time': '21:27', 'start_time': '21:19', 'text': 'You have to anticipate military developments and take action well in time, because equipment cycles are 10 year, 15 years long.'},\n {'end_time': '21:29', 'start_time': '21:28', 'text': 'Acquisition cycles.'},\n {'end_time': '21:33', 'start_time': '21:29', 'text': 'So, to that extent, it was a very much needed change.'},\n {'end_time': '21:45', 'start_time': '21:33', 'text': 'But there are people, you know, who have arguments to and, from, fro, you know, that, how much, and at what speed do you induct the change?'},\n {'end_time': '21:50', 'start_time': '21:45', 'text': 'Because there is change brings in a certain level of organizational turbulence.'},\n {'end_time': '21:59', 'start_time': '21:50', 'text': 'So when you have a very high threat scenario, is that the right time for massive across the board changes, or do you wait for a lull before you put them in?'},\n {'end_time': '22:03', 'start_time': '21:59', 'text': 'That that was the only question, the the point of discussion.'},\n {'end_time': '22:06', 'start_time': '22:03', 'text': 'But he was very right in his change orientation.'},\n {'end_time': '22:07', 'start_time': '22:06', 'text': 'It has to change.'},\n {'end_time': '22:08', 'start_time': '22:07', 'text': 'Things have to change.'},\n {'end_time': '22:15', 'start_time': '22:08', 'text': 'So so we are celebrating the 50th anniversary of the 1971 war.'},\n {'end_time': '22:21', 'start_time': '22:15', 'text': \"So, so I'd love to know what you have to say about that war in retrospect, because you were a part of it.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:27', 'start_time': '22:22', 'text': 'Maybe, maybe we can begin this question with kind of a bridge from the last section.'},\n {'end_time': '22:33', 'start_time': '22:27', 'text': 'So what do you think really needs to change right now when it comes to the Indian army?'},\n {'end_time': '22:36', 'start_time': '22:33', 'text': 'And then you could recollect going 50 years ago.'},\n {'end_time': '22:37', 'start_time': '22:36', 'text': 'How are things then?'},\n {'end_time': '22:39', 'start_time': '22:37', 'text': 'How are things different now?'},\n {'end_time': '22:43', 'start_time': '22:39', 'text': 'How would you like the army to function over the next 25 to 50 years?'},\n {'end_time': '22:46', 'start_time': '22:43', 'text': 'What legacy would you want the army to carry forward?'},\n {'end_time': '22:48', 'start_time': '22:46', 'text': 'Maybe 3 sections to this question, sir.'},\n {'end_time': '22:50', 'start_time': '22:50', 'text': 'Oh, alright.'},\n {'end_time': '22:55', 'start_time': '22:51', 'text': 'You know, let me first start with the 1971 war.'},\n {'end_time': '22:58', 'start_time': '22:55', 'text': 'Let me bring it sequentially forward.'},\n {'end_time': '23:14', 'start_time': '23:00', 'text': 'The 1971 war, let me be blunt and straightforward, was the greatest military victory India has had in the last 2000 years.'},\n {'end_time': '23:15', 'start_time': '23:14', 'text': 'Get that right.'},\n {'end_time': '23:28', 'start_time': '23:16', 'text': 'Greatest military victory after perhaps Chandragupt Seleucos, Chandragupt, defeated the Greek satrapseleucos negator in, in in in Afghanistan.'},\n {'end_time': '23:34', 'start_time': '23:28', 'text': 'He made him cede Afghanistan and Balochistan to India, and got a scientifically defensible frontier.'},\n {'end_time': '23:45', 'start_time': '23:35', 'text': 'In 71, we had a brilliant political and military leadership, and which broke Pakistan in 2 in a matter of just 13 days.'},\n {'end_time': '23:49', 'start_time': '23:46', 'text': 'We marched on the capital city of Dhaka.'},\n {'end_time': '23:51', 'start_time': '23:49', 'text': 'We marched on an enemy capital.'},\n {'end_time': '23:53', 'start_time': '23:51', 'text': 'We did regime change.'},\n {'end_time': '23:56', 'start_time': '23:53', 'text': 'We created a new country with the force of arms.'},\n {'end_time': '24:03', 'start_time': '23:56', 'text': '93,000 prisoners of war surrendered, the largest mass surrender after the second world war.'},\n {'end_time': '24:12', 'start_time': '24:05', 'text': \"You see, we I'm very proud to say were my batch, is called the batch born to battle batch.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:14', 'start_time': '24:13', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '24:22', 'start_time': '24:14', 'text': 'And, we were to pass out on 14th December 1971, And, we were somewhere in October.'},\n {'end_time': '24:24', 'start_time': '24:22', 'text': 'Clouds of war were gathering swiftly.'},\n {'end_time': '24:26', 'start_time': '24:24', 'text': 'We were called to the drill square.'},\n {'end_time': '24:27', 'start_time': '24:26', 'text': 'The adjutant came on his white chair.'},\n {'end_time': '24:32', 'start_time': '24:27', 'text': \"He said, boys, you've done very well, and we are gonna commission you a month in advance.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:34', 'start_time': '24:32', 'text': 'We started cheering, wow.'},\n {'end_time': '24:39', 'start_time': '24:35', 'text': \"One month's seniority also means a lot in the armed forces.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:40', 'start_time': '24:39', 'text': 'Every day counts.'},\n {'end_time': '24:45', 'start_time': '24:41', 'text': 'So, you know, he turned to the assistant adjutant, and he said, poor chaps.'},\n {'end_time': '24:47', 'start_time': '24:46', 'text': \"They don't know what they're in for.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:57', 'start_time': '24:48', 'text': 'His adviser he said, you know, by the time they get commissioned by November, and they join the units, the units would already be involved.'},\n {'end_time': '24:59', 'start_time': '24:58', 'text': 'They would not have known their men.'},\n {'end_time': '25:01', 'start_time': '24:59', 'text': 'The men would not have known them.'},\n {'end_time': '25:08', 'start_time': '25:01', 'text': 'Nobody would have had the time to, you know, sort of break them in into their new service, new roads.'},\n {'end_time': '25:16', 'start_time': '25:08', 'text': \"And because they are young, they'll go charging, and a lot of them will, you know, will maybe lose their lives or suffer.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:19', 'start_time': '25:17', 'text': 'And that is precisely how it happened.'},\n {'end_time': '25:31', 'start_time': '25:20', 'text': '14th November, we passed out 10 days to see mama and papa, and then we got into the trains, and, I, with about 35 course mates, we landed up at Siliguri railway station on the Assam Mill.'},\n {'end_time': '25:44', 'start_time': '25:32', 'text': 'And the railway station was full of soldiers with steel helmets, banners leaving in the winter sunshine because Siliguri, those days, had no, you know, cover, roof cover on the redwood siding.'},\n {'end_time': '25:47', 'start_time': '25:45', 'text': 'So it was such a small little place.'},\n {'end_time': '25:50', 'start_time': '25:47', 'text': 'And, we got off the train.'},\n {'end_time': '25:51', 'start_time': '25:50', 'text': 'We started hugging one another.'},\n {'end_time': '25:55', 'start_time': '25:51', 'text': 'We were not sure whether we would again, meet.'},\n {'end_time': '25:58', 'start_time': '25:56', 'text': 'We would again, be alive.'},\n {'end_time': '26:00', 'start_time': '25:59', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '26:04', 'start_time': '26:00', 'text': 'So that is the time our boy said steel helmet.'},\n {'end_time': '26:08', 'start_time': '26:06', 'text': 'Steel machine carbine.'},\n {'end_time': '26:12', 'start_time': '26:11', 'text': 'Bangladesh.'},\n {'end_time': '26:14', 'start_time': '26:14', 'text': 'So we said, yes.'},\n {'end_time': '26:27', 'start_time': '26:14', 'text': \"Somebody said, don't worry about your your little blanket and your water bottle, and let's go.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:29', 'start_time': '26:28', 'text': 'So we went.'},\n {'end_time': '26:33', 'start_time': '26:29', 'text': 'And the very first night of our service, we were in battle.'},\n {'end_time': '26:35', 'start_time': '26:34', 'text': 'Most of us.'},\n {'end_time': '26:44', 'start_time': '26:36', 'text': \"And, I'm also sorry to state that on the very first night of service, we lost a number of our very dear friends and comrades.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:51', 'start_time': '26:44', 'text': 'Some died, some lost their blood, blasted their legs, some, blasted their arms, lost their arms.'},\n {'end_time': '27:05', 'start_time': '26:52', 'text': 'And, you know, our parents back home, in some cases, they got the first pension of of their son before they ever got to see his pay.'},\n {'end_time': '27:07', 'start_time': '27:06', 'text': 'So that was the thing.'},\n {'end_time': '27:17', 'start_time': '27:07', 'text': \"We took a lot of casualties, but I'm very proud to say we were at the cutting edge of that war when in 13 days, we broke Pakistan in 2.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:19', 'start_time': '27:17', 'text': \"And that's no big achievement.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:20', 'start_time': '27:19', 'text': 'We changed the map of the world.'},\n {'end_time': '27:22', 'start_time': '27:20', 'text': 'We changed the map of South Asia.'},\n {'end_time': '27:25', 'start_time': '27:23', 'text': 'We marched on an enemy capital.'},\n {'end_time': '27:26', 'start_time': '27:25', 'text': 'We captured an enemy capital.'},\n {'end_time': '27:28', 'start_time': '27:27', 'text': 'It was a just war.'},\n {'end_time': '27:32', 'start_time': '27:29', 'text': 'Pakistan had created genocide and mayhem in Bangladesh.'},\n {'end_time': '27:35', 'start_time': '27:33', 'text': '3,000,000 Bengalis had been killed.'},\n {'end_time': '27:37', 'start_time': '27:35', 'text': '1,000,000,000 women raped.'},\n {'end_time': '27:43', 'start_time': '27:38', 'text': '10,000,000,000 Bengalis driven out as refugees into India to shatter our economy.'},\n {'end_time': '27:48', 'start_time': '27:44', 'text': 'How could we take it lying down so we had no option but to go to war?'},\n {'end_time': '27:53', 'start_time': '27:48', 'text': 'It was a just war, and in 13 days, we broke Pakistan in 2.'},\n {'end_time': '27:58', 'start_time': '27:53', 'text': \"It's the greatest military victory, like I said, in the last 2000 years.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:05', 'start_time': '27:58', 'text': '3,800 officers, JCOs, men, more than that, laid down their lives in that war.'},\n {'end_time': '28:11', 'start_time': '28:05', 'text': \"But I'm, sorry to see that it's not been much remembered in the media.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:18', 'start_time': '28:12', 'text': 'Despite it being the 50th anniversary of the war, hopefully now some, events are taking place.'},\n {'end_time': '28:33', 'start_time': '28:19', 'text': 'But, the simple fact is that, you know, had it happened in the United States, had it happened in Russia, by now there will be a 151, 200 films on this war.'},\n {'end_time': '28:35', 'start_time': '28:34', 'text': \"That's why we have podcast.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:37', 'start_time': '28:36', 'text': 'There I know.'},\n {'end_time': '28:38', 'start_time': '28:37', 'text': 'We have podcast players.'},\n {'end_time': '28:45', 'start_time': '28:38', 'text': 'Because you are making up that gap in the mainstream media, in the electronic, in the in the feature films, in the television.'},\n {'end_time': '28:48', 'start_time': '28:45', 'text': \"They're they're not covering it as they should be really.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:56', 'start_time': '28:48', 'text': \"You know, because a victory of this magnitude I mean, it's not a small time victory, not a draw, not a stalemate.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:00', 'start_time': '28:56', 'text': \"It's outright decisive victory, you know.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:03', 'start_time': '29:00', 'text': 'And a tri service campaign very well coordinated.'},\n {'end_time': '29:06', 'start_time': '29:04', 'text': 'I mean, peak of professionalism.'},\n {'end_time': '29:09', 'start_time': '29:07', 'text': 'Sam Manixar, Sam Bahadur.'},\n {'end_time': '29:10', 'start_time': '29:10', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '29:13', 'start_time': '29:10', 'text': 'We had the air chief, air marshal PC Lal.'},\n {'end_time': '29:22', 'start_time': '29:13', 'text': 'We had the navy chief, admiral Nanda, whose navy went and hit the Karachi home port, home base of the Pakistani Navy, sank 6 ships there.'},\n {'end_time': '29:31', 'start_time': '29:23', 'text': 'And and, you know, they they they they put that Karachi oil farm on fire, so they burned for a full week.'},\n {'end_time': '29:34', 'start_time': '29:32', 'text': 'And the black clouds obscured the sun.'},\n {'end_time': '29:36', 'start_time': '29:35', 'text': 'That was the level of this thing.'},\n {'end_time': '29:37', 'start_time': '29:36', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '29:47', 'start_time': '29:37', 'text': 'And the air force, they won complete air supremacy over the skies of Bangladesh to enable our armed forces to ground forces to move in so fast.'},\n {'end_time': '29:53', 'start_time': '29:48', 'text': \"So there isn't question as much as there's gratitude, from an entire generation.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:02', 'start_time': '29:53', 'text': \"I really don't think our generation or even Gen z born after 2000 understands, the magnitude of achievement of the Indian Army up till this point to just give us the India that we know.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:04', 'start_time': '30:03', 'text': 'Keeping that in mind.'},\n {'end_time': '30:09', 'start_time': '30:04', 'text': 'So I think the legacy of the 1971 war for me is, positive aggression.'},\n {'end_time': '30:14', 'start_time': '30:09', 'text': \"That's what has been carried forward, which which what brings me to the present.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:16', 'start_time': '30:14', 'text': 'So what is the legacy for you?'},\n {'end_time': '30:18', 'start_time': '30:16', 'text': 'Like, am I right in saying positive aggression?'},\n {'end_time': '30:19', 'start_time': '30:18', 'text': 'Is it the same for you?'},\n {'end_time': '30:25', 'start_time': '30:20', 'text': 'You are not only right, you raised a very, very pertinent point.'},\n {'end_time': '30:29', 'start_time': '30:25', 'text': 'You see the problem with Indian military history has been his defensive attitude.'},\n {'end_time': '30:34', 'start_time': '30:31', 'text': 'Let the enemy come into Panipat, then we will fight.'},\n {'end_time': '30:35', 'start_time': '30:34', 'text': 'Till then we will watch Kathak.'},\n {'end_time': '30:38', 'start_time': '30:36', 'text': \"I mean, it's so disgusting.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:50', 'start_time': '30:39', 'text': 'You let the enemy come in, he burns your villages, burns your cities, destroys your temple, rapes your women, destroys your crops, livestock, and you fight on your own territory?'},\n {'end_time': '30:52', 'start_time': '30:51', 'text': 'You call that an achievement?'},\n {'end_time': '30:53', 'start_time': '30:53', 'text': 'It is stupid.'},\n {'end_time': '31:02', 'start_time': '30:55', 'text': 'So the Gandhian mindset may be very holier than thou, but it is disastrous as far as national defense is concerned.'},\n {'end_time': '31:04', 'start_time': '31:02', 'text': 'But thank God all that changed.'},\n {'end_time': '31:05', 'start_time': '31:04', 'text': 'We became proactive.'},\n {'end_time': '31:07', 'start_time': '31:06', 'text': 'We attacked for a change.'},\n {'end_time': '31:15', 'start_time': '31:08', 'text': 'But, of course, we still waited for the enemy to strike the first blow, and then we gave it back in terms of a just war.'},\n {'end_time': '31:17', 'start_time': '31:15', 'text': 'We took the war to his enemy territory.'},\n {'end_time': '31:27', 'start_time': '31:17', 'text': 'We broke Pakistan in 2, and we had peace for the next 10 years till Afghanistan started and America started pumping arms into Pakistan again.'},\n {'end_time': '31:34', 'start_time': '31:28', 'text': 'So it was, the greatest thing is, more than positive aggression, being proactive.'},\n {'end_time': '31:36', 'start_time': '31:35', 'text': 'Being offensive.'},\n {'end_time': '31:40', 'start_time': '31:37', 'text': 'An offensive outglued rather than a defensive outglued.'},\n {'end_time': '31:41', 'start_time': '31:40', 'text': 'Very simply explained.'},\n {'end_time': '31:43', 'start_time': '31:41', 'text': 'Can you fight just with a shield?'},\n {'end_time': '31:46', 'start_time': '31:44', 'text': 'You have to have a shield and a sword.'},\n {'end_time': '31:50', 'start_time': '31:46', 'text': 'India was focusing only on the shield, and therefore, we lost every war.'},\n {'end_time': '32:08', 'start_time': '31:51', 'text': 'From 10th century onwards, till about, you know, 16th, 17th century, when a military revival of sorts took place under in the south, under Guru Gobind Singh in the north, and under General Lachitpurpo Khan and Assam.'},\n {'end_time': '32:11', 'start_time': '32:09', 'text': 'And they destroyed the Mughal Empire.'},\n {'end_time': '32:12', 'start_time': '32:11', 'text': 'They destroyed the foreign invaders.'},\n {'end_time': '32:17', 'start_time': '32:13', 'text': \"Please don't forget, the British did not free us from the Mughal yoke.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:18', 'start_time': '32:17', 'text': 'We did it.'},\n {'end_time': '32:24', 'start_time': '32:18', 'text': 'And then we attacked, captured the whole of what is now West Pakistan, went into Afghanistan.'},\n {'end_time': '32:28', 'start_time': '32:25', 'text': 'Hari Singh Nalwa was the governor of Jalalabad.'},\n {'end_time': '32:35', 'start_time': '32:29', 'text': 'We had reached up to Kabul, and they are saying no country has ever captured and held Afghanistan.'},\n {'end_time': '32:38', 'start_time': '32:36', 'text': 'We have Marajar and Jeet Singh forces did.'},\n {'end_time': '32:45', 'start_time': '32:39', 'text': 'The whole of Northwest Frontier Province, the whole of Fata, Shatha, etcetera, is all conquered by whom?'},\n {'end_time': '32:48', 'start_time': '32:46', 'text': 'By by the Sikhs of General Ranjit Singh.'},\n {'end_time': '32:52', 'start_time': '32:49', 'text': 'So that is in the historical context.'},\n {'end_time': '32:54', 'start_time': '32:53', 'text': 'So we turned proactive.'},\n {'end_time': '32:56', 'start_time': '32:54', 'text': 'We turned aggressive like we have again.'},\n {'end_time': '32:59', 'start_time': '32:56', 'text': 'In between, we went back to our shell.'},\n {'end_time': '33:06', 'start_time': '32:59', 'text': 'But now we have turned aggressive again, in terms of the fact that, we did the surgical side strike after Rudy for 30 years.'},\n {'end_time': '33:08', 'start_time': '33:07', 'text': 'We took it on our chin.'},\n {'end_time': '33:12', 'start_time': '33:09', 'text': 'Then after Rudy, we did the surgical strike in 2016.'},\n {'end_time': '33:19', 'start_time': '33:12', 'text': 'Then 2019, we did the Balakota strike to tell Pakistan nuclear weapons or no bloody nuclear weapons.'},\n {'end_time': '33:22', 'start_time': '33:19', 'text': 'We will give it back to you in your own territory.'},\n {'end_time': '33:25', 'start_time': '33:22', 'text': \"You kill one of us here, we'll kill a 100 on your side.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:30', 'start_time': '33:26', 'text': 'And that is what has deterred Pakistan quite, quite, quite meaningfully.'},\n {'end_time': '33:35', 'start_time': '33:32', 'text': \"So that's an answer to your specific query.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:35', 'start_time': '33:35', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '33:40', 'start_time': '33:36', 'text': 'One last question about the army, sir, before we move into talking about your book.'},\n {'end_time': '33:44', 'start_time': '33:41', 'text': 'What is the future of the Indian army according to you?'},\n {'end_time': '33:49', 'start_time': '33:44', 'text': 'Or what needs to change or what needs to be done more slash less according to you, sir?'},\n {'end_time': '33:52', 'start_time': '33:50', 'text': 'A little bit of context is required.'},\n {'end_time': '33:55', 'start_time': '33:52', 'text': 'How did we win the 1971 victory?'},\n {'end_time': '33:59', 'start_time': '33:55', 'text': 'Russia gave us the cutting edge military technology.'},\n {'end_time': '34:07', 'start_time': '33:59', 'text': 'Gave us all the weapons we wanted, sue, Sue 7 fighter bombers, big 21 fighter interceptors.'},\n {'end_time': '34:11', 'start_time': '34:08', 'text': 'Whatever you wanted, they laid on the table for you.'},\n {'end_time': '34:16', 'start_time': '34:11', 'text': 'T 54 tanks, t 55 tanks, 130 millimeter, artillery guns.'},\n {'end_time': '34:22', 'start_time': '34:17', 'text': 'I mean, whatever you wanted, they wanted to give you the Tupolev bombers, strategic bomber.'},\n {'end_time': '34:23', 'start_time': '34:22', 'text': 'We said no.'},\n {'end_time': '34:23', 'start_time': '34:23', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '34:23', 'start_time': '34:23', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '34:24', 'start_time': '34:23', 'text': \"We don't need them.\"},\n {'end_time': '34:28', 'start_time': '34:24', 'text': 'And then we used a 12 transport aircraft for bombing in jump.'},\n {'end_time': '34:30', 'start_time': '34:28', 'text': 'So they gave you everything.'},\n {'end_time': '34:39', 'start_time': '34:30', 'text': 'Kashin class destroyer, Foxtrot class submarine, built up your navy, gave you the OSAV missile boats, which did miracles in the attack on Karachi.'},\n {'end_time': '34:43', 'start_time': '34:39', 'text': 'And the the army, navy, air force, they strengthened all 3 weeks.'},\n {'end_time': '34:46', 'start_time': '34:44', 'text': 'And courtesy that, we won the major war.'},\n {'end_time': '34:50', 'start_time': '34:47', 'text': 'Unfortunately, by 1990, the Soviet Union collapsed.'},\n {'end_time': '34:58', 'start_time': '34:51', 'text': 'And the main source of supply of Indian cutting edge military technology dried up all of a sudden.'},\n {'end_time': '35:00', 'start_time': '34:58', 'text': 'There was chaos in the Soviet Union.'},\n {'end_time': '35:03', 'start_time': '35:00', 'text': 'It became Russia, lost a lot of its empire.'},\n {'end_time': '35:07', 'start_time': '35:03', 'text': 'And for good about 10 years, we had to stop all military modernization.'},\n {'end_time': '35:09', 'start_time': '35:08', 'text': \"Don't forget the sorry.\"},\n {'end_time': '35:10', 'start_time': '35:09', 'text': '30 years.'},\n {'end_time': '35:15', 'start_time': '35:11', 'text': \"Don't forget the fact that in 1990, the Indian economy also came close to collapse.\"},\n {'end_time': '35:18', 'start_time': '35:16', 'text': 'So we were told, just forget about it, buddy.'},\n {'end_time': '35:20', 'start_time': '35:18', 'text': 'We are in no position to fight.'},\n {'end_time': '35:23', 'start_time': '35:21', 'text': 'Do what you can with what you have.'},\n {'end_time': '35:29', 'start_time': '35:24', 'text': 'So even though Pakistan was interfering in Punjab, in the J and K, we could do nothing.'},\n {'end_time': '35:32', 'start_time': '35:30', 'text': 'Just put out the files within the country.'},\n {'end_time': '35:34', 'start_time': '35:32', 'text': 'That is all that we could do.'},\n {'end_time': '35:46', 'start_time': '35:35', 'text': 'Then around, you know, when the 1990 economic deforms of, Narasimha Rao and, Mad Moen Singh, etcetera, They all started kicking in our economy that looked up.'},\n {'end_time': '35:58', 'start_time': '35:47', 'text': \"Then around 2,000 or so, you know, around the time of the Cargill war, we said, yeah, let's now, upgrade our, armed forces.\"},\n {'end_time': '36:08', 'start_time': '35:59', 'text': 'Because till then, we were flying the big 21 aircraft of the 19 60 vintage, big 23, big 27, 60, seventies vintage.'},\n {'end_time': '36:10', 'start_time': '36:09', 'text': 'They were going on.'},\n {'end_time': '36:13', 'start_time': '36:10', 'text': 'And by the year 2000, they were all 30 year life cycle.'},\n {'end_time': '36:17', 'start_time': '36:13', 'text': 'They were all due for obsolescence and being phased out.'},\n {'end_time': '36:20', 'start_time': '36:17', 'text': 'But we had no money to buy to replace them.'},\n {'end_time': '36:22', 'start_time': '36:20', 'text': 'So we started kept flying the big 21.'},\n {'end_time': '36:25', 'start_time': '36:22', 'text': 'They would became the flying coffin, etcetera.'},\n {'end_time': '36:39', 'start_time': '36:25', 'text': 'So you still have to phase out this entire sixties, seventies, eighties generation equipment and rebuild a brand new modern army for the next 30, 40 years, army, navy, air force.'},\n {'end_time': '36:45', 'start_time': '36:40', 'text': 'This is where we lost 10 crucial years in the UPA regime.'},\n {'end_time': '36:50', 'start_time': '36:46', 'text': 'They did not buy 1 bloody, fighter aircraft.'},\n {'end_time': '36:55', 'start_time': '36:50', 'text': 'Our squadron strength which should be 45 squadrons is today down to 30 and less.'},\n {'end_time': '36:57', 'start_time': '36:56', 'text': 'That is criminal.'},\n {'end_time': '37:02', 'start_time': '36:58', 'text': 'Air power is the is the war winning factor.'},\n {'end_time': '37:07', 'start_time': '37:02', 'text': 'You grow weak in the air, you you will lose up the ground and in the sea on the sea.'},\n {'end_time': '37:09', 'start_time': '37:08', 'text': 'So we need a transformation.'},\n {'end_time': '37:15', 'start_time': '37:11', 'text': 'Now that transformation has started happening with the NDA government came.'},\n {'end_time': '37:20', 'start_time': '37:15', 'text': \"We thought it would be much faster because we'd already lost 30 30 plus years.\"},\n {'end_time': '37:26', 'start_time': '37:22', 'text': 'So then, you know, the Rafale was being topped off for 10 years.'},\n {'end_time': '37:27', 'start_time': '37:26', 'text': 'Finally, we got it now.'},\n {'end_time': '37:28', 'start_time': '37:27', 'text': '2 squadrons.'},\n {'end_time': '37:48', 'start_time': '37:28', 'text': 'So as I was saying, you know, that entire, conversion of our equipment from the 19 sixties, 17, eighties era replacement that bringing in modern, fighters, modern tanks, modern technology, modern artillery, modern submarines, etcetera.'},\n {'end_time': '37:53', 'start_time': '37:48', 'text': 'All had to be done, you know, and that took there was a lot of delay.'},\n {'end_time': '37:57', 'start_time': '37:53', 'text': 'At least a 10 years, 30 years delay as it is because of the economy.'},\n {'end_time': '38:04', 'start_time': '37:57', 'text': 'There are 10 years delay because of a very warped decision making process, modern corruption and delays.'},\n {'end_time': '38:07', 'start_time': '38:05', 'text': 'So it was criminal neglect.'},\n {'end_time': '38:12', 'start_time': '38:07', 'text': 'And today we are now having to rearm in a very major hurry.'},\n {'end_time': '38:14', 'start_time': '38:12', 'text': 'Fortunately, our economy is good.'},\n {'end_time': '38:15', 'start_time': '38:14', 'text': \"It's pretty sound.\"},\n {'end_time': '38:16', 'start_time': '38:15', 'text': 'It can support.'},\n {'end_time': '38:21', 'start_time': '38:16', 'text': 'We have $650,000,000,000 worth of, for, you know, forex reserves.'},\n {'end_time': '38:22', 'start_time': '38:21', 'text': 'We can do it now.'},\n {'end_time': '38:24', 'start_time': '38:22', 'text': 'So we are trying to buy from all over.'},\n {'end_time': '38:26', 'start_time': '38:24', 'text': 'We are trying to diversify.'},\n {'end_time': '38:28', 'start_time': '38:26', 'text': 'We are trying to buy from Russia.'},\n {'end_time': '38:32', 'start_time': '38:29', 'text': 'We are buying from Russia as it is 60, 70 percent is from Russia.'},\n {'end_time': '38:40', 'start_time': '38:32', 'text': 'We are buying a lot of cutting edge technology equipment from the United States, from France, from Israel to catch up in a hurry.'},\n {'end_time': '38:49', 'start_time': '38:41', 'text': 'What we are trying to do and which is the way ahead, which comes to your next your third component of your question, We must indigenize.'},\n {'end_time': '38:55', 'start_time': '38:51', 'text': 'We must have autarky in the production of weapon systems.'},\n {'end_time': '39:04', 'start_time': '38:55', 'text': \"You can't have a major super power aspirant trying to buy all its weapons tech cutting edge technology from abroad.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:10', 'start_time': '39:05', 'text': 'People can impose sanctions, people can stop supply of space and do you lot of damage.'},\n {'end_time': '39:16', 'start_time': '39:10', 'text': 'So this Atma Nirbhar project has started and in fact, here, Vipin Robert took a very bold step.'},\n {'end_time': '39:20', 'start_time': '39:16', 'text': 'He said we will ban import in certain categories of battle.'},\n {'end_time': '39:22', 'start_time': '39:21', 'text': '155 millimeter guns.'},\n {'end_time': '39:34', 'start_time': '39:23', 'text': 'Kalyani forged in India had built a master gun had built up master gun, which is, you know, the American 1 55 millimeter medium gun fires 45.'},\n {'end_time': '39:36', 'start_time': '39:34', 'text': 'This fires 48 kilometers.'},\n {'end_time': '39:39', 'start_time': '39:37', 'text': 'They fired 3 rounds a minute.'},\n {'end_time': '39:40', 'start_time': '39:39', 'text': 'Ours fires 5 rounds a minute.'},\n {'end_time': '39:42', 'start_time': '39:41', 'text': 'And yet there were people saying, no.'},\n {'end_time': '39:42', 'start_time': '39:42', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '39:42', 'start_time': '39:42', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '39:43', 'start_time': '39:42', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '39:43', 'start_time': '39:43', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '39:43', 'start_time': '39:43', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '39:45', 'start_time': '39:43', 'text': \"We don't trust Indian technologies.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:47', 'start_time': '39:45', 'text': \"It's got this problem, that problem.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:51', 'start_time': '39:47', 'text': \"We'll buy from here, there, everywhere but India.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:00', 'start_time': '39:51', 'text': 'So he put a blanket list of items which would bloody well have to be purchased from Indian companies, ex India.'},\n {'end_time': '40:05', 'start_time': '40:01', 'text': 'We have to go shift from the private sector which is sorry.'},\n {'end_time': '40:11', 'start_time': '40:05', 'text': 'We have to shift from the public sector which has become a white elephant and most inefficient to the private sector.'},\n {'end_time': '40:15', 'start_time': '40:12', 'text': 'We have to involve our private firms because they are dynamic.'},\n {'end_time': '40:17', 'start_time': '40:15', 'text': 'They are forward looking.'},\n {'end_time': '40:32', 'start_time': '40:17', 'text': 'They can collaborate with other firms in the United States, in Russia, in France, in Japan, in, in in Israel, and produce produce new equipment of our own our own designs, our own r and d.'},\n {'end_time': '40:33', 'start_time': '40:32', 'text': 'That needs to be pushed up.'},\n {'end_time': '40:38', 'start_time': '40:33', 'text': 'If you ask me which way the armed forces should go, drones have to come in in a big way.'},\n {'end_time': '40:39', 'start_time': '40:38', 'text': 'We have to make our own tanks.'},\n {'end_time': '40:44', 'start_time': '40:39', 'text': 'We have to make our own jet fighters, our own aircraft.'},\n {'end_time': '40:47', 'start_time': '40:44', 'text': 'Good news is we started building our navy.'},\n {'end_time': '40:51', 'start_time': '40:48', 'text': 'Almost all the ships that we are inducting are Indian.'},\n {'end_time': '40:53', 'start_time': '40:51', 'text': 'We built in Indian shipyards.'},\n {'end_time': '40:58', 'start_time': '40:55', 'text': 'We are making our own tanks under license.'},\n {'end_time': '41:00', 'start_time': '40:58', 'text': 'We made the Arjun on our own.'},\n {'end_time': '41:03', 'start_time': '41:00', 'text': 'Now we are building nuclear submarines on our own.'},\n {'end_time': '41:04', 'start_time': '41:03', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '41:06', 'start_time': '41:04', 'text': 'So we must produce our own drones.'},\n {'end_time': '41:12', 'start_time': '41:06', 'text': 'We must produce we must, you know, take the jump to the next level, quantum jump.'},\n {'end_time': '41:15', 'start_time': '41:13', 'text': 'That has to be done if we want to become a superpower.'},\n {'end_time': '41:17', 'start_time': '41:15', 'text': 'We are a nuclear part today.'},\n {'end_time': '41:21', 'start_time': '41:17', 'text': 'So we have to learn how to fight under a nuclear overhang.'},\n {'end_time': '41:26', 'start_time': '41:22', 'text': \"So we can't take 8 months like we did to prepare in 71 and then go.\"},\n {'end_time': '41:29', 'start_time': '41:26', 'text': \"We'll have to go in at cold start, 0 notice.\"},\n {'end_time': '41:29', 'start_time': '41:29', 'text': 'Yep.'},\n {'end_time': '41:30', 'start_time': '41:29', 'text': 'Yep.'},\n {'end_time': '41:32', 'start_time': '41:30', 'text': 'So those those are the changes I see, technological.'},\n {'end_time': '41:35', 'start_time': '41:33', 'text': \"And yet, you can't downsize.\"},\n {'end_time': '41:40', 'start_time': '41:36', 'text': 'You know, there is a new mantra in the army that, army is wasting a lot of money.'},\n {'end_time': '41:43', 'start_time': '41:40', 'text': 'Navy air force are just wasting gobbling up funds.'},\n {'end_time': '41:48', 'start_time': '41:43', 'text': 'We can spend 1 and a half lakh of crores to revive sinking banks.'},\n {'end_time': '41:50', 'start_time': '41:49', 'text': 'Revive sinking bank.'},\n {'end_time': '41:52', 'start_time': '41:50', 'text': \"But we can't spend money on the army.\"},\n {'end_time': '41:56', 'start_time': '41:52', 'text': 'These people in Karashiv, reduce their size.'},\n {'end_time': '41:57', 'start_time': '41:56', 'text': \"I'm sorry.\"},\n {'end_time': '42:01', 'start_time': '41:57', 'text': 'Your threats have never been higher than they are today.'},\n {'end_time': '42:02', 'start_time': '42:01', 'text': 'You have China.'},\n {'end_time': '42:03', 'start_time': '42:02', 'text': 'You have Pakistan.'},\n {'end_time': '42:06', 'start_time': '42:03', 'text': 'You have Taliban in Afghanistan.'},\n {'end_time': '42:07', 'start_time': '42:06', 'text': 'You have Turkey.'},\n {'end_time': '42:08', 'start_time': '42:07', 'text': 'You have Maoist.'},\n {'end_time': '42:09', 'start_time': '42:08', 'text': 'You have jihadists.'},\n {'end_time': '42:11', 'start_time': '42:09', 'text': 'You have the insurgents in the northeast.'},\n {'end_time': '42:13', 'start_time': '42:13', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '42:16', 'start_time': '42:14', 'text': 'So you have the highest set envelope.'},\n {'end_time': '42:19', 'start_time': '42:17', 'text': \"At a time like this, I'm sorry, you can't pinch pennies.\"},\n {'end_time': '42:22', 'start_time': '42:20', 'text': 'You will have to spend what it takes.'},\n {'end_time': '42:28', 'start_time': '42:22', 'text': \"You'll have to get the equipment that you need Well, best to produce it in India.\"},\n {'end_time': '42:31', 'start_time': '42:28', 'text': \"But where you can't do it, then you just buy from outside.\"},\n {'end_time': '42:34', 'start_time': '42:31', 'text': \"You'll have to get it and get it fast.\"},\n {'end_time': '42:39', 'start_time': '42:34', 'text': \"You don't have 15, 20 years to oh, we will take do it in the next 20 years.\"},\n {'end_time': '42:41', 'start_time': '42:39', 'text': 'The Chinese will not wait.'},\n {'end_time': '42:42', 'start_time': '42:41', 'text': 'The Pakistanis will not wait.'},\n {'end_time': '42:45', 'start_time': '42:42', 'text': 'The bloody Turks are trying to get funny.'},\n {'end_time': '42:50', 'start_time': '42:46', 'text': 'So you have to be ready in the next 2, 3, 4 years.'},\n {'end_time': '42:52', 'start_time': '42:50', 'text': '5 is what you have.'},\n {'end_time': '42:55', 'start_time': '42:53', 'text': 'And therefore, pull out all stops.'},\n {'end_time': '42:57', 'start_time': '42:56', 'text': 'Oh, cut man part.'},\n {'end_time': '42:58', 'start_time': '42:57', 'text': \"It's a waste of lap.\"},\n {'end_time': '42:59', 'start_time': '42:58', 'text': 'Are you to fight in the mountains?'},\n {'end_time': '43:01', 'start_time': '42:59', 'text': 'You need man part.'},\n {'end_time': '43:07', 'start_time': '43:02', 'text': 'You know, to fight counterinsurgency, counter terrorist, you need huge man part.'},\n {'end_time': '43:09', 'start_time': '43:07', 'text': 'You have no earth of manpower.'},\n {'end_time': '43:11', 'start_time': '43:09', 'text': \"You'll only be creating jobs.\"},\n {'end_time': '43:14', 'start_time': '43:11', 'text': 'You have 1,400,000,000 Indians today.'},\n {'end_time': '43:17', 'start_time': '43:14', 'text': '50% of them are below the age of 25.'},\n {'end_time': '43:18', 'start_time': '43:17', 'text': 'They need jobs.'},\n {'end_time': '43:19', 'start_time': '43:18', 'text': \"You're cutting jobs.\"},\n {'end_time': '43:23', 'start_time': '43:21', 'text': 'You you understand the anomaly?'},\n {'end_time': '43:23', 'start_time': '43:23', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '43:23', 'start_time': '43:23', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '43:25', 'start_time': '43:23', 'text': 'You need to create jobs.'},\n {'end_time': '43:27', 'start_time': '43:25', 'text': 'You say, cut the jobs that you have.'},\n {'end_time': '43:28', 'start_time': '43:27', 'text': 'Who needs them, Adi?'},\n {'end_time': '43:30', 'start_time': '43:29', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '43:32', 'start_time': '43:30', 'text': 'You you have to be Yep.'},\n {'end_time': '43:32', 'start_time': '43:32', 'text': 'Yep.'},\n {'end_time': '43:37', 'start_time': '43:34', 'text': 'Futuristic means futuristic in weapon systems.'},\n {'end_time': '43:39', 'start_time': '43:37', 'text': 'But you have to know what is your condition.'},\n {'end_time': '43:40', 'start_time': '43:39', 'text': 'You are not America.'},\n {'end_time': '43:42', 'start_time': '43:41', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '43:42', 'start_time': '43:42', 'text': 'Yes, sir.'},\n {'end_time': '43:43', 'start_time': '43:42', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '43:45', 'start_time': '43:43', 'text': \"You don't have to fight global wars.\"},\n {'end_time': '43:47', 'start_time': '43:45', 'text': 'You have to fight war on your own borders.'},\n {'end_time': '43:52', 'start_time': '43:47', 'text': 'Maximum, you need intervention capabilities, Afghanistan and beyond.'},\n {'end_time': '43:55', 'start_time': '43:52', 'text': 'Little bit, Sri Lanka, Ocean area, etcetera.'},\n {'end_time': '43:57', 'start_time': '43:55', 'text': \"But that's the way to go.\"},\n {'end_time': '43:58', 'start_time': '43:57', 'text': \"You'll Yeah.\"},\n {'end_time': '44:02', 'start_time': '43:58', 'text': 'Napoleon said, God is always on the side of the big battalions.'},\n {'end_time': '44:04', 'start_time': '44:02', 'text': 'You have to be big.'},\n {'end_time': '44:05', 'start_time': '44:05', 'text': 'Yes, sir.'},\n {'end_time': '44:07', 'start_time': '44:05', 'text': \"Don't lose your manpower advantage.\"},\n {'end_time': '44:10', 'start_time': '44:07', 'text': 'This is your biggest advantage even over China.'},\n {'end_time': '44:12', 'start_time': '44:10', 'text': 'They have an aging population.'},\n {'end_time': '44:14', 'start_time': '44:12', 'text': 'You have a youthful population.'},\n {'end_time': '44:17', 'start_time': '44:14', 'text': 'Now you say, we will cut the soldiers from our army.'},\n {'end_time': '44:19', 'start_time': '44:17', 'text': 'Then what the hell will you do?'},\n {'end_time': '44:20', 'start_time': '44:19', 'text': 'How will you give jobs?'},\n {'end_time': '44:27', 'start_time': '44:22', 'text': 'How will you face fight the wars in the mountains and the counterinsurgencies, which are everywhere?'},\n {'end_time': '44:41', 'start_time': '44:28', 'text': 'J and K, Nagaland, Manipur, Viso Visoram is now over, but also in the heartland in the with the Maoist, and, you know, Chhattisgarh, etcetera etcetera.'},\n {'end_time': '44:44', 'start_time': '44:42', 'text': 'So you have a major challenge coming up.'},\n {'end_time': '44:59', 'start_time': '44:44', 'text': \"I'd like to end by saying that Arnold Toynbee, the historian said, great powers rise in response to great challenges from the natural or social environment.\"},\n {'end_time': '45:04', 'start_time': '44:59', 'text': \"The Indian youth, there's a lot of Indian youth watching this particular podcast, and here's what they need to know.\"},\n {'end_time': '45:05', 'start_time': '45:04', 'text': 'Even they can help.'},\n {'end_time': '45:12', 'start_time': '45:05', 'text': \"There's nothing that stops Indian minds from actually developing, Indian technologies which compete at a world stage.\"},\n {'end_time': '45:22', 'start_time': '45:12', 'text': 'So if there are Indian youth watching this, maybe my personal last message to them would be rather than going and building your careers in America or Europe or Australia, stay here, help build the country.'},\n {'end_time': '45:24', 'start_time': '45:22', 'text': \"Let's avoid this brain drain problem.\"},\n {'end_time': '45:25', 'start_time': '45:25', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '45:28', 'start_time': '45:26', 'text': 'You see, we have the world class IIT.'},\n {'end_time': '45:40', 'start_time': '45:28', 'text': 'Most of their product goes to the United States and 30% of NASA is Indians and 30% of, Silicon Valley is Indians and, you know, the highest force they are occupying now.'},\n {'end_time': '45:41', 'start_time': '45:41', 'text': 'You see?'},\n {'end_time': '45:44', 'start_time': '45:41', 'text': 'But, they need to be work here.'},\n {'end_time': '45:48', 'start_time': '45:45', 'text': \"You know, the public sector wasn't giving them good enough pays.\"},\n {'end_time': '45:50', 'start_time': '45:48', 'text': 'The private sector will.'},\n {'end_time': '45:52', 'start_time': '45:50', 'text': 'The private sector will.'},\n {'end_time': '45:54', 'start_time': '45:52', 'text': 'And I just told you the example of Kalyani Forge.'},\n {'end_time': '46:01', 'start_time': '45:55', 'text': \"Baba Kalyani built the world's best medium gun, and yet there is a resistance to accepting it.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:04', 'start_time': '46:02', 'text': 'You know, we are building nuclear submarines.'},\n {'end_time': '46:10', 'start_time': '46:04', 'text': 'We are building we are building nuclear and conventional submarines.'},\n {'end_time': '46:12', 'start_time': '46:10', 'text': 'We are building aircraft carriers.'},\n {'end_time': '46:14', 'start_time': '46:12', 'text': 'We are building fighter jets.'},\n {'end_time': '46:16', 'start_time': '46:14', 'text': 'Our problem is with engine technology.'},\n {'end_time': '46:23', 'start_time': '46:17', 'text': 'You know, engines for our warships, engines for our fighters, engines for our tanks, We are still poor.'},\n {'end_time': '46:24', 'start_time': '46:23', 'text': 'Collaborate with Japan.'},\n {'end_time': '46:26', 'start_time': '46:24', 'text': 'They make beautiful engines.'},\n {'end_time': '46:29', 'start_time': '46:27', 'text': 'Collaborate with the Russians or the French.'},\n {'end_time': '46:30', 'start_time': '46:29', 'text': 'They make lovely engines.'},\n {'end_time': '46:39', 'start_time': '46:31', 'text': \"So this is what we'll have to go in a very concerted manner, and this is where the Indian youth can contribute majorly.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:41', 'start_time': '46:39', 'text': \"Don't make a beeline for the west.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:41', 'start_time': '46:41', 'text': 'Yes, sir.'},\n {'end_time': '46:48', 'start_time': '46:41', 'text': \"I think it's very important for spokespeople of the Indian army to put the message out, for the general population.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:54', 'start_time': '46:49', 'text': \"Maybe we can end this particular episode by talking a little bit about the book you're writing, sir.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:56', 'start_time': '46:54', 'text': \"I also feel a soldier's life is very unique.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:58', 'start_time': '46:56', 'text': \"It's not a normal life.\"},\n {'end_time': '47:02', 'start_time': '46:58', 'text': 'It changes the way you perceive, life in general.'},\n {'end_time': '47:03', 'start_time': '47:02', 'text': 'So what is this book about?'},\n {'end_time': '47:05', 'start_time': '47:03', 'text': \"Because, it's called Som.\"},\n {'end_time': '47:07', 'start_time': '47:05', 'text': \"You're talking about psychedelics.\"},\n {'end_time': '47:08', 'start_time': '47:07', 'text': \"You're talking about meditation.\"},\n {'end_time': '47:11', 'start_time': '47:08', 'text': 'All these concepts that are less spoken about in the modern day.'},\n {'end_time': '47:14', 'start_time': '47:11', 'text': \"So what's the logic behind the book, sir?\"},\n {'end_time': '47:14', 'start_time': '47:14', 'text': 'Alright.'},\n {'end_time': '47:18', 'start_time': '47:15', 'text': \"You know, they say, don't tell us, show us.\"},\n {'end_time': '47:20', 'start_time': '47:19', 'text': 'This is the book.'},\n {'end_time': '47:21', 'start_time': '47:20', 'text': 'This is the book.'},\n {'end_time': '47:23', 'start_time': '47:21', 'text': \"It's called the quantum book of Soma.\"},\n {'end_time': '47:24', 'start_time': '47:24', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '47:28', 'start_time': '47:25', 'text': 'It delves and this is a parallel volume.'},\n {'end_time': '47:39', 'start_time': '47:28', 'text': 'This is called the songs of Soma, translation of the Vedic hymns into English, transcreations of, the Vedic hymns onto soma into English.'},\n {'end_time': '47:47', 'start_time': '47:40', 'text': 'You know, this has taken about, this main main book, has taken about 50 years of research.'},\n {'end_time': '47:52', 'start_time': '47:48', 'text': 'And the topic is something that is surprisingly relevant to the military.'},\n {'end_time': '47:55', 'start_time': '47:53', 'text': 'The Vedas talk a lot about war.'},\n {'end_time': '48:00', 'start_time': '47:56', 'text': 'There is the, the war of the 10 kings.'},\n {'end_time': '48:03', 'start_time': '48:00', 'text': 'There is the Dwadasa youth, the war of the 20 kings.'},\n {'end_time': '48:07', 'start_time': '48:04', 'text': 'And the war of the 10 kings was almost on the scale of the Mahabharata.'},\n {'end_time': '48:14', 'start_time': '48:07', 'text': '60,000 people are supposed to have been killed in that era, and they possibly use weather warfare and what have you.'},\n {'end_time': '48:19', 'start_time': '48:14', 'text': 'So, you know, India has always been a warrior civilization.'},\n {'end_time': '48:21', 'start_time': '48:20', 'text': 'Ramayana is about a war.'},\n {'end_time': '48:24', 'start_time': '48:21', 'text': 'We have the Mahabharata about a war.'},\n {'end_time': '48:31', 'start_time': '48:24', 'text': 'And suddenly, we are told, oh, we are the most peaceful people on the earth, and, we all follow the Lord Buddha.'},\n {'end_time': '48:39', 'start_time': '48:31', 'text': 'Unfortunately, that religion there are very few adherents left in India, and yet we want them.'},\n {'end_time': '48:46', 'start_time': '48:39', 'text': 'We had Gandhi as the next avatar, and, he said India is the most pacific civilization.'},\n {'end_time': '48:50', 'start_time': '48:47', 'text': 'If somebody hits you on one cheek, you must stop or the other.'},\n {'end_time': '48:52', 'start_time': '48:50', 'text': 'You should never kill a fly.'},\n {'end_time': '48:56', 'start_time': '48:53', 'text': \"You know, you don't mind if your women are raped.\"},\n {'end_time': '48:58', 'start_time': '48:56', 'text': \"Don't mind if your temples are destroyed.\"},\n {'end_time': '49:00', 'start_time': '48:59', 'text': 'Go ahead.'},\n {'end_time': '49:01', 'start_time': '49:01', 'text': 'Bear it.'},\n {'end_time': '49:04', 'start_time': '49:01', 'text': 'Offer, offer satyagraha.'},\n {'end_time': '49:11', 'start_time': '49:05', 'text': 'I mean, a country which was invaded from the 10th century onwards till 18th.'},\n {'end_time': '49:12', 'start_time': '49:12', 'text': 'Non stop.'},\n {'end_time': '49:16', 'start_time': '49:14', 'text': 'Murderer after murderer.'},\n {'end_time': '49:18', 'start_time': '49:16', 'text': 'Genocide after genocide.'},\n {'end_time': '49:22', 'start_time': '49:18', 'text': 'And the civilization conclusion that we had come to is Ghani?'},\n {'end_time': '49:25', 'start_time': '49:23', 'text': 'That we must be peaceful.'},\n {'end_time': '49:32', 'start_time': '49:26', 'text': 'We must surrender meekly, we must not fight for our independence, we must beg for it.'},\n {'end_time': '49:34', 'start_time': '49:32', 'text': 'So that attitude needs to change.'},\n {'end_time': '49:38', 'start_time': '49:34', 'text': 'You need to go back to the Vedas, which are a virile people.'},\n {'end_time': '49:40', 'start_time': '49:38', 'text': 'They were a tough people.'},\n {'end_time': '49:41', 'start_time': '49:40', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '49:47', 'start_time': '49:41', 'text': 'I mean, they they believed.'},\n {'end_time': '49:58', 'start_time': '49:47', 'text': 'You know, we often hear this, which is called, you know, that, you know, It is from the Mahabharata.'},\n {'end_time': '50:02', 'start_time': '49:59', 'text': 'Very few people know that the second part of this is.'},\n {'end_time': '50:17', 'start_time': '50:08', 'text': 'But Dharma or violence, non violence is good, is the best, but violence in the protection of Dharma.'},\n {'end_time': '50:19', 'start_time': '50:18', 'text': 'Righteousness, not as in religion.'},\n {'end_time': '50:26', 'start_time': '50:20', 'text': 'Righteousness, justice, right cause, you know, is superior.'},\n {'end_time': '50:32', 'start_time': '50:28', 'text': 'Dharma That part is never told.'},\n {'end_time': '50:36', 'start_time': '50:33', 'text': 'The British were, after 18 57, were shaken up.'},\n {'end_time': '50:43', 'start_time': '50:36', 'text': 'They never wanted to, let India get violent once again, and overthrow the British rule.'},\n {'end_time': '50:45', 'start_time': '50:43', 'text': 'They wanted India peaceful.'},\n {'end_time': '50:54', 'start_time': '50:45', 'text': 'Unfortunately, Mahatma Gandhi, you were very sincere, very sincere in his methods, in his beliefs, in his thinking.'},\n {'end_time': '50:57', 'start_time': '50:54', 'text': 'He was exploited by the British to keep India peaceful.'},\n {'end_time': '50:59', 'start_time': '50:57', 'text': 'What more did they want?'},\n {'end_time': '51:02', 'start_time': '50:59', 'text': 'Why did they give him such a high media profile?'},\n {'end_time': '51:04', 'start_time': '51:02', 'text': 'Because he was keeping India peaceful.'},\n {'end_time': '51:07', 'start_time': '51:04', 'text': 'So India forgot its roots and moorings.'},\n {'end_time': '51:10', 'start_time': '51:07', 'text': 'This book is to take you back to your roots.'},\n {'end_time': '51:17', 'start_time': '51:11', 'text': 'To tell you who you are, what you are capable of, and what we can still do.'},\n {'end_time': '51:23', 'start_time': '51:17', 'text': \"I'm afraid we can't be, monastic and world denying if we want to become a super part.\"},\n {'end_time': '51:32', 'start_time': '51:23', 'text': 'We have to be ready to fight to protect ourselves, to defend ourselves, and not defense by fighting on your own soil only.'},\n {'end_time': '51:39', 'start_time': '51:32', 'text': 'Without embargo ban on going across, you have to be able to be proactive and cross and hit him in his in his country.'},\n {'end_time': '51:42', 'start_time': '51:40', 'text': 'Why should he let him come to our country?'},\n {'end_time': '51:52', 'start_time': '51:43', 'text': 'So, you know, there is a concept called soma in the Rig Veda and in all the Vedas, very specifically in the 9th, section of the Rig Veda.'},\n {'end_time': '51:53', 'start_time': '51:52', 'text': 'What is this soma?'},\n {'end_time': '51:57', 'start_time': '51:54', 'text': 'You know, the soma was supposed to make you ecstatic.'},\n {'end_time': '52:02', 'start_time': '51:57', 'text': 'The soma was supposed to confer upon you great amount of creativity, insight.'},\n {'end_time': '52:06', 'start_time': '52:03', 'text': 'And it took away all fear and pain.'},\n {'end_time': '52:14', 'start_time': '52:08', 'text': 'It took away all fear and pain and made you absolutely invincible on the battlefield.'},\n {'end_time': '52:21', 'start_time': '52:15', 'text': 'So not only was it required by the rishis and sages and the scholars, it was equally required by the warrior.'},\n {'end_time': '52:23', 'start_time': '52:22', 'text': 'So what was this soma?'},\n {'end_time': '52:27', 'start_time': '52:24', 'text': 'A lot of people felt it was a psychotropic plant.'},\n {'end_time': '52:35', 'start_time': '52:27', 'text': 'Somblata used to grow on the lower foothills of the Himalayas in Western Kashmir, Western Tibet, west, parts of Afghanistan.'},\n {'end_time': '52:38', 'start_time': '52:36', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '52:39', 'start_time': '52:38', 'text': 'We call it Soma.'},\n {'end_time': '52:41', 'start_time': '52:39', 'text': 'The Iranians call it Homa.'},\n {'end_time': '52:43', 'start_time': '52:41', 'text': 'They pronounce s with an h.'},\n {'end_time': '52:44', 'start_time': '52:43', 'text': 'We call it the Sindhu.'},\n {'end_time': '52:46', 'start_time': '52:44', 'text': 'They call it the Hindu.'},\n {'end_time': '52:47', 'start_time': '52:47', 'text': 'Haptahindhu.'},\n {'end_time': '52:48', 'start_time': '52:48', 'text': 'Saptahindhu.'},\n {'end_time': '52:49', 'start_time': '52:49', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '52:54', 'start_time': '52:49', 'text': 'So So they also had this concept of, Soma, a psychotropic plant.'},\n {'end_time': '53:08', 'start_time': '52:54', 'text': 'This concept was there with all the shamans in Siberia, in Alaska, in North America, South America, Australia, Aborigines, they all had a concept of a psychotropic plant of magical qualities.'},\n {'end_time': '53:13', 'start_time': '53:08', 'text': 'But there is a new research that is now coming up that it was not exogenous.'},\n {'end_time': '53:15', 'start_time': '53:13', 'text': 'That means it was not something taken from outside.'},\n {'end_time': '53:21', 'start_time': '53:16', 'text': 'Your own brain secretes neurotransmitters of 3 types.'},\n {'end_time': '53:24', 'start_time': '53:21', 'text': '1 is called the endorphins and encephalins.'},\n {'end_time': '53:27', 'start_time': '53:24', 'text': \"They're the most complex opiates of the brain.\"},\n {'end_time': '53:31', 'start_time': '53:28', 'text': 'They actually give you ecstasy and joy and euphoria.'},\n {'end_time': '53:34', 'start_time': '53:31', 'text': 'They increase learning abilities and insight.'},\n {'end_time': '53:37', 'start_time': '53:35', 'text': 'And they take away pain and fear.'},\n {'end_time': '53:41', 'start_time': '53:38', 'text': 'These are chemicals secreted by the brain.'},\n {'end_time': '53:42', 'start_time': '53:41', 'text': 'Human brain.'},\n {'end_time': '53:47', 'start_time': '53:44', 'text': 'So if you meditate, you secrete these chemicals.'},\n {'end_time': '53:52', 'start_time': '53:48', 'text': 'You also secrete dopamine serotonin, which gives you a high.'},\n {'end_time': '54:00', 'start_time': '53:52', 'text': 'In battle when you are scared and you are you get an inner dose of neurochemical which give you a high boy.'},\n {'end_time': '54:02', 'start_time': '54:00', 'text': 'Morale is half the battle won.'},\n {'end_time': '54:05', 'start_time': '54:03', 'text': 'You go in that war winning attitude.'},\n {'end_time': '54:09', 'start_time': '54:06', 'text': 'But even when you are short here, you hardly feel the pain.'},\n {'end_time': '54:10', 'start_time': '54:09', 'text': 'You keep fighting.'},\n {'end_time': '54:14', 'start_time': '54:11', 'text': 'Officers refusing to be evacuated under shell and shot.'},\n {'end_time': '54:16', 'start_time': '54:15', 'text': 'Okay?'},\n {'end_time': '54:18', 'start_time': '54:16', 'text': \"I'm giving you a revolutionary concept.\"},\n {'end_time': '54:24', 'start_time': '54:19', 'text': 'Now being tested, tried in laboratories in the United States.'},\n {'end_time': '54:33', 'start_time': '54:26', 'text': 'There is a molecule called DMT, which also gives similar reactions produced by the brain.'},\n {'end_time': '54:35', 'start_time': '54:34', 'text': 'Why is it produced?'},\n {'end_time': '54:38', 'start_time': '54:35', 'text': 'You see, when you do meditation, you shut your eyes.'},\n {'end_time': '54:42', 'start_time': '54:38', 'text': 'Nature has given you certain species preservation mechanisms.'},\n {'end_time': '54:51', 'start_time': '54:43', 'text': 'If a caveman was attacked by a tiger, a saber toothed tiger, was he, you know, was he.'},\n {'end_time': '54:54', 'start_time': '54:52', 'text': 'Did he have legs which could run away from a tiger?'},\n {'end_time': '54:59', 'start_time': '54:55', 'text': 'And when he had family and kids to protect, could he run away from a tiger?'},\n {'end_time': '55:00', 'start_time': '54:59', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '55:02', 'start_time': '55:01', 'text': 'He had to stand up and fight.'},\n {'end_time': '55:04', 'start_time': '55:03', 'text': 'How could he fight a tiger?'},\n {'end_time': '55:08', 'start_time': '55:05', 'text': 'Pick up a burning log of wood, poke it in his eyes and noose.'},\n {'end_time': '55:10', 'start_time': '55:09', 'text': 'Pick up a stone, throw it at him.'},\n {'end_time': '55:11', 'start_time': '55:10', 'text': 'Make spears.'},\n {'end_time': '55:15', 'start_time': '55:13', 'text': 'Make flint, stone, swords, whatever.'},\n {'end_time': '55:16', 'start_time': '55:16', 'text': 'Fight that.'},\n {'end_time': '55:21', 'start_time': '55:16', 'text': 'That is the only way you can stand up and fight and have a chance in hell of surviving.'},\n {'end_time': '55:24', 'start_time': '55:22', 'text': 'For that you need courage, boy.'},\n {'end_time': '55:27', 'start_time': '55:24', 'text': 'And where does courage come from, from this soma?'},\n {'end_time': '55:38', 'start_time': '55:27', 'text': 'Now whether it was externally induced soma, I am inclined to believe on the basis of my personal experience and what I have understood of the Vedas, that soma was internal.'},\n {'end_time': '55:40', 'start_time': '55:38', 'text': 'Soma was egg.'},\n {'end_time': '55:41', 'start_time': '55:41', 'text': 'Endogenous.'},\n {'end_time': '55:44', 'start_time': '55:42', 'text': 'Produced by the human brain and body itself.'},\n {'end_time': '55:45', 'start_time': '55:45', 'text': 'Gut.'},\n {'end_time': '55:48', 'start_time': '55:45', 'text': 'The gut also secretes some neurotransmitters.'},\n {'end_time': '55:49', 'start_time': '55:49', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '55:50', 'start_time': '55:49', 'text': 'I have a gut feeling.'},\n {'end_time': '55:51', 'start_time': '55:50', 'text': 'He has guts.'},\n {'end_time': '55:53', 'start_time': '55:52', 'text': 'You get that?'},\n {'end_time': '55:55', 'start_time': '55:54', 'text': \"I'm talking scientific fact.\"},\n {'end_time': '55:59', 'start_time': '55:56', 'text': 'And all this research is to give you that scientific fact.'},\n {'end_time': '56:05', 'start_time': '55:59', 'text': 'I have shown you how the Vedas are not archaic bits of poetry.'},\n {'end_time': '56:07', 'start_time': '56:05', 'text': 'They are so aligned with quantum mechanics.'},\n {'end_time': '56:10', 'start_time': '56:08', 'text': \"That is why I'm calling it the quantum book of Soma.\"},\n {'end_time': '56:14', 'start_time': '56:11', 'text': \"They're so aligned with cosmology.\"},\n {'end_time': '56:17', 'start_time': '56:14', 'text': \"They're so aligned with neuroscience.\"},\n {'end_time': '56:19', 'start_time': '56:17', 'text': 'What neuroscience is coming to now.'},\n {'end_time': '56:24', 'start_time': '56:19', 'text': 'You know, the biggest question in modern physics is, what exactly is consciousness?'},\n {'end_time': '56:26', 'start_time': '56:24', 'text': \"That's called the hard problem.\"},\n {'end_time': '56:32', 'start_time': '56:27', 'text': 'The Vedas attempted to crack this hard problem about 9000 years from today.'},\n {'end_time': '56:35', 'start_time': '56:33', 'text': 'That is as per radiocarbon dating.'},\n {'end_time': '56:35', 'start_time': '56:35', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '56:36', 'start_time': '56:35', 'text': 'Radiocarbon.'},\n {'end_time': '56:42', 'start_time': '56:36', 'text': \"I'm not talking, some stuff from any Shaka learned here or there.\"},\n {'end_time': '56:45', 'start_time': '56:42', 'text': \"I'm telling you hard empirical facts.\"},\n {'end_time': '56:49', 'start_time': '56:46', 'text': 'So this is a book that is needed by the scientists.'},\n {'end_time': '56:51', 'start_time': '56:50', 'text': \"It's needed by our soldiers.\"},\n {'end_time': '56:56', 'start_time': '56:52', 'text': \"It's needed by our scholars, artists who want to be creative.\"},\n {'end_time': '57:00', 'start_time': '56:57', 'text': 'Creativity is the key to any civilization.'},\n {'end_time': '57:04', 'start_time': '57:00', 'text': 'The Americans are the most innovative, creative people right now.'},\n {'end_time': '57:04', 'start_time': '57:04', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '57:12', 'start_time': '57:04', 'text': 'Maybe in 5, 10 years, hopefully, the youth of India today will, take that pedestal as being one of the most creative populations of the world.'},\n {'end_time': '57:21', 'start_time': '57:12', 'text': \"So, but honestly, I feel it's books like these conversations like these that kind of initiate that creativity within a teenager's mind within a college student's mind.\"},\n {'end_time': '57:24', 'start_time': '57:21', 'text': 'So We need creativity across the board.'},\n {'end_time': '57:46', 'start_time': '57:24', 'text': \"Whether it is an IIT grad, with a start up, whether it is it is a scientist who's working in the lab, you know, cutting edge, fields, whether it is a technology guy making new cars, Elon Musk making, high build, I mean, an electrical car which runs almost as fast as your petrol car.\"},\n {'end_time': '57:48', 'start_time': '57:47', 'text': 'You need creativity.'},\n {'end_time': '57:51', 'start_time': '57:49', 'text': 'Creativity is the key to progress.'},\n {'end_time': '57:53', 'start_time': '57:52', 'text': 'Building something new.'},\n {'end_time': '57:56', 'start_time': '57:54', 'text': 'Discarding the old, getting to the due.'},\n {'end_time': '57:59', 'start_time': '57:56', 'text': 'So creativity, how do you enhance creativity?'},\n {'end_time': '58:01', 'start_time': '57:59', 'text': 'By the process of meditation.'},\n {'end_time': '58:02', 'start_time': '58:01', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '58:03', 'start_time': '58:02', 'text': 'By the process of meditation.'},\n {'end_time': '58:11', 'start_time': '58:03', 'text': 'You see create those neurotransmitters that the pleasure pathways and the learning pathways are the same in the human brain.'},\n {'end_time': '58:17', 'start_time': '58:12', 'text': \"I've done a lot of anatomy study and lot of neuroscience latest field study.\"},\n {'end_time': '58:22', 'start_time': '58:17', 'text': 'This have been incorporated in the book so that our people learn.'},\n {'end_time': '58:27', 'start_time': '58:22', 'text': 'And you see, we have a British era used habit.'},\n {'end_time': '58:28', 'start_time': '58:27', 'text': 'Everything deshi is inferior.'},\n {'end_time': '58:30', 'start_time': '58:29', 'text': 'No good.'},\n {'end_time': '58:31', 'start_time': '58:30', 'text': 'Useless.'},\n {'end_time': '58:34', 'start_time': '58:31', 'text': 'You know, it has to be foreign.'},\n {'end_time': '58:36', 'start_time': '58:34', 'text': \"That's why we all want to emigrate abroad.\"},\n {'end_time': '58:43', 'start_time': '58:36', 'text': 'But in your own in your own lore, the Vedas are your root origin.'},\n {'end_time': '58:46', 'start_time': '58:44', 'text': 'The source books of your civilization.'},\n {'end_time': '58:51', 'start_time': '58:48', 'text': 'Today, you ask the kids which is the basic book of the Hindus.'},\n {'end_time': '58:54', 'start_time': '58:52', 'text': \"They'll say it is the Gita.\"},\n {'end_time': '59:00', 'start_time': '58:54', 'text': 'The Gita is one of the Upanishads, which is a derivative of the Vedas.'},\n {'end_time': '59:04', 'start_time': '59:01', 'text': \"Kids can't name the 4, Vedas.\"},\n {'end_time': '59:13', 'start_time': '59:04', 'text': 'And then, you know, we are under civilization attack now as the Indic religion, the Hindu Buddhist religion are under attack.'},\n {'end_time': '59:21', 'start_time': '59:13', 'text': 'How 45 universities got together in the United States to hold a seminar dismantling Hindu Twa.'},\n {'end_time': '59:26', 'start_time': '59:21', 'text': 'Very thinly disguised attack not just on the Hindu Twa, but on Hindus themselves.'},\n {'end_time': '59:28', 'start_time': '59:26', 'text': 'The Hindu religion itself.'},\n {'end_time': '59:34', 'start_time': '59:28', 'text': \"So I'm sorry, we don't like to go around, converting people or this thing, But now the time has come to defend yourself.\"},\n {'end_time': '59:41', 'start_time': '59:36', 'text': 'That is what is now the you see the civilization churned in India post 2014.'},\n {'end_time': '59:44', 'start_time': '59:42', 'text': 'Is that we will stand up and defend ourselves.'},\n {'end_time': '59:50', 'start_time': '59:44', 'text': 'At a point in time, the Jews said, we will fight and we will defend, and look where Israel is today.'},\n {'end_time': '1:00:07', 'start_time': '59:51', 'text': \"I think we have to go that path, and that's why this book on Soma, whether you take it as poetry, inspirational poetry, whether you take it as neuroscience, how to enhance creativity, how to increase courage.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:00:10', 'start_time': '1:00:09', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '1:00:11', 'start_time': '1:00:10', 'text': 'All winning factor.'},\n {'end_time': '1:00:13', 'start_time': '1:00:12', 'text': 'All winning factor.'},\n {'end_time': '1:00:15', 'start_time': '1:00:13', 'text': 'It leaks up with all the rest that I have said.'},\n {'end_time': '1:00:16', 'start_time': '1:00:15', 'text': 'Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '1:00:20', 'start_time': '1:00:16', 'text': 'General major JD Bakshi, sir, thank you once again for being on the runway show.'},\n {'end_time': '1:00:21', 'start_time': '1:00:20', 'text': 'We salute you.'},\n {'end_time': '1:00:24', 'start_time': '1:00:21', 'text': 'The entire youths salutes the entire Indian army.'},\n {'end_time': '1:00:30', 'start_time': '1:00:24', 'text': 'We salute general, Bipin Rawat, sir, and, of course, all the soldiers who lost their lives this past week.'},\n {'end_time': '1:00:31', 'start_time': '1:00:30', 'text': 'Thank you for being on the show, sir.'},\n {'end_time': '1:00:33', 'start_time': '1:00:31', 'text': \"We're looking forward to having you again.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:00:34', 'start_time': '1:00:33', 'text': 'Thank you for sharing your knowledge.'},\n {'end_time': '1:00:35', 'start_time': '1:00:34', 'text': 'Thank you, Fahad.'},\n {'end_time': '1:00:39', 'start_time': '1:00:37', 'text': 'That was the episode for today.'},\n {'end_time': '1:00:48', 'start_time': '1:00:39', 'text': 'Before talking about this particular episode from my own perspective, I definitely would like to highlight the TRS clips YouTube channel once again.'},\n {'end_time': '1:01:00', 'start_time': '1:00:49', 'text': 'Because I feel like what the nation needs now, especially the youth of the nation, we need to be educated about multiple subjects in the same way that major general GD Bakshi just highlighted through the course of this episode.'},\n {'end_time': '1:01:04', 'start_time': '1:01:01', 'text': 'The youth of this nation is going to build our nation going forward.'},\n {'end_time': '1:01:09', 'start_time': '1:01:04', 'text': \"And it's very important for its future leaders to know about multiple subjects.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:01:11', 'start_time': '1:01:09', 'text': 'Please subscribe to that YouTube channel.'},\n {'end_time': '1:01:16', 'start_time': '1:01:11', 'text': 'It just contains the best bits from every episode, 2 episodes a week.'},\n {'end_time': '1:01:20', 'start_time': '1:01:16', 'text': \"Every episodes released on Spotify 48 hours before it's released anywhere in the world.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:01:22', 'start_time': '1:01:20', 'text': 'So make sure you follow us there.'},\n {'end_time': '1:01:29', 'start_time': '1:01:22', 'text': \"As for this episode, it is definitely not the last army episode that we're releasing on this channel.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:01:37', 'start_time': '1:01:29', 'text': \"It's my personal duty towards my nation to release these kind of stories, these kind of perspectives to the world of the Indian internet.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:01:43', 'start_time': '1:01:37', 'text': 'And yes, while some people might find some of these perspectives a little bit too fiery, it is how it is.'},\n {'end_time': '1:01:50', 'start_time': '1:01:43', 'text': 'And I feel that the perspectives that need to be respected the most in our society are the perspectives of army veterans.'},\n {'end_time': '1:01:52', 'start_time': '1:01:50', 'text': \"They've seen more than most of us.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:01:54', 'start_time': '1:01:52', 'text': \"They've experienced more than most of us.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:02:01', 'start_time': '1:01:54', 'text': 'They have much stronger insights when it comes to geopolitics, when it comes to national security.'},\n {'end_time': '1:02:04', 'start_time': '1:02:01', 'text': 'These people need to be out there more on the Indian internet.'},\n {'end_time': '1:02:11', 'start_time': '1:02:04', 'text': \"I'd like to end this particular episode by addressing members of the defense forces who are listening to this podcast till this point.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:02:15', 'start_time': '1:02:11', 'text': 'Please reach out, help us create even more episodes.'},\n {'end_time': '1:02:21', 'start_time': '1:02:15', 'text': 'Our goal is to create at least one episode with a member of the Navy, the Air Force, or the Army.'},\n {'end_time': '1:02:25', 'start_time': '1:02:21', 'text': \"Every month, we're doing 2 English podcasts, 1 Hindi podcast.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:02:29', 'start_time': '1:02:25', 'text': 'We want to celebrate the defense forces 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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:08", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "There used to be 1 retired colonel with handlebar mustache, 12 war gun in his hand, and trying to protect his daughter from everyone around." }, { "end_time": "0:12", "start_time": "0:09", "text": "And he would be carrying that gun even inside his house." }, { "end_time": "0:13", "start_time": "0:12", "text": "Now that image has to change." }, { "end_time": "0:15", "start_time": "0:14", "text": "Soldiering is a serious business." }, { "end_time": "0:20", "start_time": "0:17", "text": "The storytelling about soldier has to be done very, very seriously." }, { "end_time": "0:28", "start_time": "0:20", "text": "We can't say that I'm making a movie, but then commercial compulsion wants there should be a dance sequence in there, there should be a song sequence in this." }, { "end_time": "0:30", "start_time": "0:28", "text": "How can you have a dance and song on the border?" }, { "end_time": "0:34", "start_time": "0:31", 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honored." }, { "end_time": "1:10", "start_time": "1:06", "text": "I think they are the most powerful women on this planet." }, { "end_time": "1:25", "start_time": "1:10", "text": "So we've done a bunch of military podcasts where we spoke about combat, operations, military life, the special forces, but we've never spoken to someone who holds this kind of a rank in the military, who's served in this manner in the military." }, { "end_time": "1:32", "start_time": "1:26", "text": "Tiny Dhillon so or KGS Dhillon served as the head of the Defence Intelligence Agency." }, { "end_time": "1:34", "start_time": "1:33", "text": "What does that even mean?" }, { "end_time": "1:37", "start_time": "1:34", "text": "I'll let him explain it over the course of this particular podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:39", "start_time": "1:37", "text": "We covered aspects of geopolitics." }, { "end_time": "1:41", "start_time": "1:39", "text": "We covered military life obviously." }, { "end_time": "1:45", "start_time": "1:41", "text": "But moreover, we covered a macro view of the military." }, { "end_time": "1:55", "start_time": "1:45", "text": "What it takes to actually operate the military as a whole and we also spoke about how the Indian military, the Indian Armed Forces is perceiving the present times." }, { "end_time": "1:59", "start_time": "1:55", "text": "I highly recommend that you also check out the Hindi episode we did with Tiny Sir." }, { "end_time": "2:00", "start_time": "2:00", "text": "It's incredible." }, { "end_time": "2:06", "start_time": "2:01", "text": "If you understand Hindi, you'll be unlocking another portal of knowledge with that particular episode." }, { "end_time": "2:11", "start_time": "2:06", "text": "But if you want to unlock portals of knowledge anyway, make sure you follow us on Spotify." }, { "end_time": "2:12", "start_time": "2:11", "text": "We're a Spotify exclusive." }, { "end_time": "2:17", "start_time": "2:13", "text": "Every episode is available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world." }, { "end_time": "2:22", "start_time": "2:18", "text": "AJS Dillonsal on the Runby Show, spreading knowledge, spreading perspectives." }, { "end_time": "2:26", "start_time": "2:22", "text": "It's another powerful Indian Armed Forces episode." }, { "end_time": "2:48", "start_time": "2:46", "text": "Lieutenant General KJS Dhillon, sir." }, { "end_time": "2:50", "start_time": "2:48", "text": "We did an incredible Hindi episode." }, { "end_time": "2:52", "start_time": "2:51", "text": "Welcome to TRS English." }, { "end_time": "2:53", "start_time": "2:53", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "2:54", "start_time": "2:53", "text": "How are you, sir?" }, { "end_time": "2:55", "start_time": "2:54", "text": "Oh, always great." }, { "end_time": "2:55", "start_time": "2:55", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "2:56", "start_time": "2:55", "text": "You had a good time on Hindi?" }, { "end_time": "2:57", "start_time": "2:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:57", "start_time": "2:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:57", "start_time": "2:57", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "2:58", "start_time": "2:58", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "3:02", "start_time": "2:59", "text": "So, I'm thinking we make this a quick and snappy episode." }, { "end_time": "3:04", "start_time": "3:02", "text": "It's primarily self education here." }, { "end_time": "3:08", "start_time": "3:05", "text": "You know, I've had lots of military veterans on the show." }, { "end_time": "3:14", "start_time": "3:08", "text": "You were one of our most highly requested military veterans because of your Twitter presence, because of your entire military tenure." }, { "end_time": "3:16", "start_time": "3:14", "text": "There's a lot of curiosity about you." }, { "end_time": "3:25", "start_time": "3:16", "text": "And I highly recommend that audiences, especially if you all understand Hindi, go check out our Hindi podcast for some incredible, prequel insights." }, { "end_time": "3:29", "start_time": "3:26", "text": "But this one's kind of a more present times episode." }, { "end_time": "3:31", "start_time": "3:29", "text": "So So did you have fun on the Hindi one?" }, { "end_time": "3:31", "start_time": "3:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:32", "start_time": "3:31", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "3:33", "start_time": "3:32", "text": "Enjoyed it." }, { "end_time": "3:34", "start_time": "3:33", "text": "Tiny, sir." }, { "end_time": "3:35", "start_time": "3:34", "text": "Why do they call you tiny, sir?" }, { "end_time": "3:38", "start_time": "3:35", "text": "You're easily 6 2, 6 3 at least?" }, { "end_time": "3:38", "start_time": "3:38", "text": "63." }, { "end_time": "3:39", "start_time": "3:38", "text": "You're 63." }, { "end_time": "3:41", "start_time": "3:39", "text": "And you're an imposing figure." }, { "end_time": "3:45", "start_time": "3:41", "text": "Like, I can tell that, you know, this is there weight training that's gone into this?" }, { "end_time": "3:46", "start_time": "3:45", "text": "Lot of it." }, { "end_time": "3:50", "start_time": "3:47", "text": "Like, your bone structure, everything is, like, you know, really strong." }, { "end_time": "3:52", "start_time": "3:50", "text": "I wouldn't wanna face you in combat." }, { "end_time": "3:54", "start_time": "3:53", "text": "But We are friends." }, { "end_time": "3:58", "start_time": "3:56", "text": "But I have to actually ask you this, sir." }, { "end_time": "4:04", "start_time": "3:58", "text": "With your kind of frame, when you're 6 3, you're weight training, so you're a white guy and you've got Punjabi genetics." }, { "end_time": "4:08", "start_time": "4:04", "text": "So, is that an advantage in combat or is it a disadvantage?" }, { "end_time": "4:14", "start_time": "4:08", "text": "Because I'm assuming if you're a smaller guy, maybe you're able to maneuver more easily, but correct me if I'm wrong." }, { "end_time": "4:19", "start_time": "4:14", "text": "See, gone on the days of physical combat." }, { "end_time": "4:26", "start_time": "4:20", "text": "The trench warfare of 1st world war, 2nd world war where you are physically assaulting an enemy." }, { "end_time": "4:31", "start_time": "4:27", "text": "The Bennett fixed and at times, you get into a close quarter combat." }, { "end_time": "4:47", "start_time": "4:32", "text": "These days, it happens very rarely in a conflict situation or a combat situation with counter terrorist during counter terrorist operation where the terrorist is running out and you weapon has dropped or somewhere you got hold of him and you don't want the collateral damage." }, { "end_time": "4:52", "start_time": "4:47", "text": "So in that type of a situation, maybe there is a, you know, collapse quarter battle." }, { "end_time": "4:54", "start_time": "4:52", "text": "Otherwise, there are officers." }, { "end_time": "4:55", "start_time": "4:54", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "4:58", "start_time": "4:55", "text": "The your height, your weight, and other things, they don't matter." }, { "end_time": "4:59", "start_time": "4:58", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "5:00", "start_time": "4:59", "text": "What matters?" }, { "end_time": "5:15", "start_time": "5:00", "text": "It is a your thinking faculties, your leadership qualities, how you can assess the situation, how you can plan your next move, and how you can lead a man with valor, courage, and, bravery." }, { "end_time": "5:16", "start_time": "5:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:17", "start_time": "5:16", "text": "That is what matters." }, { "end_time": "5:20", "start_time": "5:17", "text": "And in that, the physical appearance has got no place." }, { "end_time": "5:20", "start_time": "5:20", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "5:30", "start_time": "5:22", "text": "Back when you were very actively a combat soldier, I'm assuming that at a certain age, maybe the army doesn't allow you in combat." }, { "end_time": "5:36", "start_time": "5:30", "text": "It probably works just like a sport because physical faculties start withering off at a certain age." }, { "end_time": "5:43", "start_time": "5:37", "text": "But back when you were, like, actively involved in combat, were there any hand to hand combat situations that you had to go through?" }, { "end_time": "5:44", "start_time": "5:43", "text": "Not, individually." }, { "end_time": "5:45", "start_time": "5:45", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "5:57", "start_time": "5:45", "text": "Not individually, but there were instances, especially in the built up areas during counter terrorist or counter insurgent or patients, where an insurgent or terrorist was trying to escape the cordon." }, { "end_time": "6:07", "start_time": "5:58", "text": "And the boy had caught him, but he didn't want to fire because the fire at that situation can go into a neighboring house and, you know, injure a innocent civilian." }, { "end_time": "6:13", "start_time": "6:07", "text": "So at that time, the minimum use of force is the norm in such situations." }, { "end_time": "6:15", "start_time": "6:13", "text": "Very direct question again." }, { "end_time": "6:21", "start_time": "6:15", "text": "I always feel bringing up the topic of movies about the military with actual military vets." }, { "end_time": "6:23", "start_time": "6:23", "text": "Which side are you on?" }, { "end_time": "6:27", "start_time": "6:23", "text": "Are you okay with military movies or do you think that it's not a correct this depiction?" }, { "end_time": "6:29", "start_time": "6:27", "text": "Which I'm sure it's not in many ways." }, { "end_time": "6:34", "start_time": "6:29", "text": "But does that anger you or like, like, I mean, just generally, what's your opinion on military movements?" }, { "end_time": "6:43", "start_time": "6:34", "text": "Communication, expressing yourself, showcasing what you are doing, keeping the security as confidential as in mind." }, { "end_time": "6:44", "start_time": "6:43", "text": "I'm all for it." }, { "end_time": "6:50", "start_time": "6:45", "text": "Our operation, especially in counter terrorism, counterinsurgency areas are so transparent." }, { "end_time": "6:53", "start_time": "6:52", "text": "We need to tell our stories." }, { "end_time": "6:54", "start_time": "6:54", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "7:00", "start_time": "6:54", "text": "We need to tell the public, national and international, this is how we conduct our operation." }, { "end_time": "7:10", "start_time": "7:00", "text": "So there is a very false narratives being made by the the enemies of the state or people who are not friendly to India." }, { "end_time": "7:13", "start_time": "7:11", "text": "We need to counter that narrative with actuals." }, { "end_time": "7:14", "start_time": "7:13", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "7:15", "start_time": "7:14", "text": "Truth prevails." }, { "end_time": "7:17", "start_time": "7:16", "text": "Transparency prevails." }, { "end_time": "7:24", "start_time": "7:18", "text": "Non narrative building will have any ground to stand on if other party is telling the truth and transparent." }, { "end_time": "7:29", "start_time": "7:25", "text": "So how are those, enemies building the narratives through social media?" }, { "end_time": "7:32", "start_time": "7:29", "text": "There's a there's a whole lot of machinery into it." }, { "end_time": "7:32", "start_time": "7:32", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "7:34", "start_time": "7:32", "text": "Social media is one part of it." }, { "end_time": "7:42", "start_time": "7:34", "text": "Diplomatic efforts are there, political efforts are there, and all other types of engineering of mind of various, people." }, { "end_time": "7:52", "start_time": "7:42", "text": "So but when you tell a story, suppose I have to make a so some sort of a serial on Indian Army's operation in Kashmir." }, { "end_time": "7:54", "start_time": "7:52", "text": "I must do thorough research." }, { "end_time": "7:59", "start_time": "7:56", "text": "Starting with what type of recruitments, the uniform they wear." }, { "end_time": "8:05", "start_time": "8:00", "text": "If a person is 20 years of age or 25 years of age, he has to be a captain maximum major." }, { "end_time": "8:05", "start_time": "8:05", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "8:07", "start_time": "8:05", "text": "He can't be a lieutenant." }, { "end_time": "8:11", "start_time": "8:09", "text": "So it has to align to the Reality." }, { "end_time": "8:12", "start_time": "8:11", "text": "Reality." }, { "end_time": "8:17", "start_time": "8:12", "text": "Then it becomes, unfortunately, I don't want to say it, but I have to say it." }, { "end_time": "8:23", "start_time": "8:17", "text": "Indian cinema, there are search work in the defense related movies." }, { "end_time": "8:29", "start_time": "8:23", "text": "Although it has come of age, lot has changed, but there's still lot to be desired." }, { "end_time": "8:30", "start_time": "8:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:32", "start_time": "8:30", "text": "And I hear this as a general narrative from the Indian military." }, { "end_time": "8:33", "start_time": "8:33", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "8:36", "start_time": "8:33", "text": "Because it's not that, I'm from the army." }, { "end_time": "8:42", "start_time": "8:36", "text": "If you are say, whatever you do, if your profession is projected Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "8:50", "start_time": "8:42", "text": "And they are lacunas in that image, You would feel bad and then the image being projected is not correct." }, { "end_time": "8:50", "start_time": "8:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:51", "start_time": "8:50", "text": "I'll give you a small example." }, { "end_time": "9:04", "start_time": "8:52", "text": "In seventies eighties, the Hindi movies which came, there used to be one retired colonel with handlebar mustache, 12 board gun in his hand, and trying to protect his daughter from everyone around." }, { "end_time": "9:08", "start_time": "9:05", "text": "And he would be carrying that gun even inside his house." }, { "end_time": "9:09", "start_time": "9:08", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "9:13", "start_time": "9:09", "text": "I just told on, some other program this you know, that image has to change." }, { "end_time": "9:16", "start_time": "9:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:17", "start_time": "9:16", "text": "It's a soldiering." }, { "end_time": "9:18", "start_time": "9:17", "text": "It's a serious business." }, { "end_time": "9:23", "start_time": "9:19", "text": "The storytelling about soldier has to be done very, very seriously." }, { "end_time": "9:31", "start_time": "9:24", "text": "We can't say that I'm making a movie, but then commercial compulsions want there should be a dance sequence in there." }, { "end_time": "9:33", "start_time": "9:31", "text": "There should be a song sequence in this." }, { "end_time": "9:36", "start_time": "9:34", "text": "How can you have a dance and song on the border?" }, { "end_time": "9:39", "start_time": "9:36", "text": "What's your favorite war movie that you ever seen?" }, { "end_time": "9:40", "start_time": "9:40", "text": "A lot of them." }, { "end_time": "9:41", "start_time": "9:40", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "9:42", "start_time": "9:41", "text": "A lot of them." }, { "end_time": "9:48", "start_time": "9:42", "text": "And, at the intellectual level, there's a very little known movie in India, at least internationally." }, { "end_time": "9:50", "start_time": "9:49", "text": "The movie is called Breaker Morant." }, { "end_time": "9:51", "start_time": "9:51", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "9:53", "start_time": "9:51", "text": "It's about a Boire war in South Africa." }, { "end_time": "9:54", "start_time": "9:54", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "10:02", "start_time": "9:54", "text": "And it's about a Australian officer was working with the British officer, and there's more of a, court martial movie." }, { "end_time": "10:04", "start_time": "10:03", "text": "Why intellectual level?" }, { "end_time": "10:07", "start_time": "10:04", "text": "Why I'm saying it's it's not that physical violence is not there." }, { "end_time": "10:11", "start_time": "10:07", "text": "There is a little bit of it, and it's not that, the armies of IT." }, { "end_time": "10:16", "start_time": "10:11", "text": "It's a very specific incident has happened, and then that officer is put through a court martial." }, { "end_time": "10:25", "start_time": "10:16", "text": "So 70% of the movies of court martial and pros and cons and trying to question the ethos and ethics and, you know, why the ifs and buts of it." }, { "end_time": "10:28", "start_time": "10:25", "text": "So it's a very intense movie from that point of view." }, { "end_time": "10:29", "start_time": "10:28", "text": "I like that movie." }, { "end_time": "10:36", "start_time": "10:29", "text": "And from a more action perspective, any any movie that you felt got it right in terms of real combat scenarios or real army scenarios?" }, { "end_time": "10:37", "start_time": "10:36", "text": "A lot of good movies." }, { "end_time": "10:45", "start_time": "10:38", "text": "Where eagles there, the Saving Private Ryan and even the World War movies and all." }, { "end_time": "10:47", "start_time": "10:45", "text": "I think more of them are very good movies." }, { "end_time": "10:50", "start_time": "10:48", "text": "Saving Private Ryan is a very intense movie." }, { "end_time": "10:52", "start_time": "10:50", "text": "It's a very intense movie." }, { "end_time": "10:58", "start_time": "10:52", "text": "And let me tell you, a lot of young boys and girls might feel soldiering is all about fighting and killing." }, { "end_time": "10:59", "start_time": "10:59", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "11:02", "start_time": "10:59", "text": "A soldier is a very, very human person." }, { "end_time": "11:11", "start_time": "11:03", "text": "He's a very emotional person because children get emotional when they cannot meet the targets at the end of the quarter or a month." }, { "end_time": "11:22", "start_time": "11:12", "text": "For him, the targets are how many deaths he has avoided, how many soldiers or bodies he has saved, how many enemies of the nation he has eliminated." }, { "end_time": "11:23", "start_time": "11:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:24", "start_time": "11:23", "text": "His quantification is different." }, { "end_time": "11:26", "start_time": "11:25", "text": "Now look at that." }, { "end_time": "11:30", "start_time": "11:26", "text": "Some people can't see your blood, see blood in the on the TV screen." }, { "end_time": "11:30", "start_time": "11:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:32", "start_time": "11:30", "text": "He's seeing it day in and day out." }, { "end_time": "11:35", "start_time": "11:33", "text": "His emotional strength has to be understood." }, { "end_time": "11:37", "start_time": "11:36", "text": "He's staying away from his family." }, { "end_time": "11:41", "start_time": "11:37", "text": "His wife is managing the household, the children, they're bringing looking after the old parents." }, { "end_time": "11:44", "start_time": "11:41", "text": "They're looking after the property, all by herself in the village." }, { "end_time": "11:45", "start_time": "11:44", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "11:51", "start_time": "11:46", "text": "He, being aware of all these issues, still giving his 200% on the front." }, { "end_time": "12:00", "start_time": "11:53", "text": "This man, his contribution has to be acknowledged, understood, and appreciated." }, { "end_time": "12:10", "start_time": "12:02", "text": "You know, maybe for deeper context on what you just spoke about, I actually want to highlight Saving Private Ryan's beginning, you know, where they've shown D Day, I believe." }, { "end_time": "12:13", "start_time": "12:11", "text": "Do you remember that scene, the way they've shot it?" }, { "end_time": "12:20", "start_time": "12:14", "text": "For those who don't know about D Day, basically, it was one very important event in the history of World War 2." }, { "end_time": "12:30", "start_time": "12:20", "text": "It was towards the end of World War 2 where American soldiers, the allied soldiers actually invaded, a French beach where they had to take on German soldiers who were on the beach." }, { "end_time": "12:37", "start_time": "12:30", "text": "So the beginning of Saving Private Ryan is a very intense scene where they've shown what happens when you're actually in a scenario like that." }, { "end_time": "12:43", "start_time": "12:37", "text": "And it's one of those movies that it puts you at the edge of your seat right from the beginning, and it's difficult to watch." }, { "end_time": "12:46", "start_time": "12:43", "text": "The beginning is extremely difficult because of the way they've shot it." }, { "end_time": "12:47", "start_time": "12:46", "text": "They show guts falling out." }, { "end_time": "12:52", "start_time": "12:48", "text": "They show people screaming, people with, like, their hands blown out." }, { "end_time": "12:55", "start_time": "12:53", "text": "That's what I want to highlight here as well." }, { "end_time": "13:06", "start_time": "12:55", "text": "So when you're talking about this seeing blood day in, day out, the intensity that they've shown in the d day scene, is that more common than most civilians think?" }, { "end_time": "13:15", "start_time": "13:07", "text": "See, 2nd world war was a very, very you can say bloody war." }, { "end_time": "13:23", "start_time": "13:16", "text": "Lot of young boys because their conscription, the young boys as young as 15, 16, 17 were also taken to the battle front." }, { "end_time": "13:23", "start_time": "13:23", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "13:26", "start_time": "13:23", "text": "And the casualties because it was a contact warfare." }, { "end_time": "13:30", "start_time": "13:27", "text": "The physical contact and there were men dying." }, { "end_time": "13:31", "start_time": "13:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:32", "start_time": "13:31", "text": "Their civilians dying." }, { "end_time": "13:38", "start_time": "13:32", "text": "So the intensity of that war was different in terms of physical human losses." }, { "end_time": "13:39", "start_time": "13:39", "text": "And injury." }, { "end_time": "13:43", "start_time": "13:40", "text": "And injuries and the impact on the psych." }, { "end_time": "13:51", "start_time": "13:44", "text": "Whereas what we are discussing today is, like, Indian army has fought 71 war, 65 war." }, { "end_time": "13:53", "start_time": "13:51", "text": "We fought on Cargill." }, { "end_time": "13:57", "start_time": "13:53", "text": "And then counter terrorist, counter here, things are different." }, { "end_time": "14:01", "start_time": "13:57", "text": "And then, of course, little bit of picturization, the intensity was highlighted also." }, { "end_time": "14:15", "start_time": "14:02", "text": "But for a given individual, when his body gets hit, then that hand blowing off or the intestines coming out can happen to anyone in the combat zone." }, { "end_time": "14:18", "start_time": "14:16", "text": "Have you been close to death at any point?" }, { "end_time": "14:23", "start_time": "14:19", "text": "My wife has, heard my death news twice." }, { "end_time": "14:24", "start_time": "14:23", "text": "Really?" }, { "end_time": "14:28", "start_time": "14:24", "text": "Once when she was, I think, 8 months pregnant." }, { "end_time": "14:30", "start_time": "14:28", "text": "They declared you dead?" }, { "end_time": "14:30", "start_time": "14:30", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "14:33", "start_time": "14:30", "text": "They she saw on the TV, my death news." }, { "end_time": "14:35", "start_time": "14:34", "text": "And, not declared me death." }, { "end_time": "14:36", "start_time": "14:35", "text": "There was some misunderstanding." }, { "end_time": "14:39", "start_time": "14:36", "text": "I have written a book, which is coming out, now." }, { "end_time": "14:50", "start_time": "14:41", "text": "In that this aspect, the emotional aspect which you talked about now that the topic has come up, is given out very, very detail in good detail." }, { "end_time": "14:54", "start_time": "14:52", "text": "Like, a soldier is doing his duty." }, { "end_time": "14:56", "start_time": "14:54", "text": "They are just now saying the wife holds the family together." }, { "end_time": "15:01", "start_time": "14:57", "text": "The wife, the father, the mother, the children, their sacrifice goes unnoticed." }, { "end_time": "15:08", "start_time": "15:03", "text": "Like in my case, both the times, I written a great detail about this in my book." }, { "end_time": "15:12", "start_time": "15:08", "text": "But both the times I was not present when my children are born." }, { "end_time": "15:16", "start_time": "15:13", "text": "Both the times are not present when they joined the college." }, { "end_time": "15:19", "start_time": "15:16", "text": "Both the times are not present when they joined the professional college." }, { "end_time": "15:23", "start_time": "15:20", "text": "Both the times are not present when they did the 10th or did the 12th." }, { "end_time": "15:25", "start_time": "15:24", "text": "And she managed all by herself." }, { "end_time": "15:30", "start_time": "15:27", "text": "In addition, there's news of, husband being dead." }, { "end_time": "15:33", "start_time": "15:31", "text": "One news got clarified after 12 hours." }, { "end_time": "15:33", "start_time": "15:33", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "15:35", "start_time": "15:33", "text": "But what was the logic?" }, { "end_time": "15:37", "start_time": "15:35", "text": "See, first time it happened." }, { "end_time": "15:46", "start_time": "15:38", "text": "2nd time my wife was, pregnant about 8 months pregnant, when this, news came." }, { "end_time": "15:55", "start_time": "15:46", "text": "And she saw it on the TV that the first time this happened, major Swenso killed in." }, { "end_time": "15:59", "start_time": "15:58", "text": "That is the yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:00", "start_time": "15:59", "text": "I was posted in North Kashmir." }, { "end_time": "16:04", "start_time": "16:01", "text": "Major, my name, KJ Singh, all rushed to your rifles." }, { "end_time": "16:14", "start_time": "16:06", "text": "And she the whole night, she could not sleep, but she also felt she was staying with her parents." }, { "end_time": "16:19", "start_time": "16:14", "text": "Her parents were old that tomorrow morning, they should not, get the news first." }, { "end_time": "16:21", "start_time": "16:19", "text": "She had to prepare them." }, { "end_time": "16:26", "start_time": "16:22", "text": "And then when the newspaper came, newspaper had the same, news." }, { "end_time": "16:35", "start_time": "16:27", "text": "She hid the newspaper from her parents, did not cry, did not show her emotions, and kept it to herself." }, { "end_time": "16:38", "start_time": "16:37", "text": "And she was pregnant." }, { "end_time": "16:43", "start_time": "16:39", "text": "Now this is the strength of the second time, I was a commanding officer." }, { "end_time": "16:45", "start_time": "16:44", "text": "Again, 2 children." }, { "end_time": "16:52", "start_time": "16:46", "text": "1 was just about, 2 years old, 3 years old, and one was about 8, 9 years old." }, { "end_time": "16:54", "start_time": "16:52", "text": "She again got the news in the night." }, { "end_time": "16:57", "start_time": "16:54", "text": "Again, Kulkajasingh in J and K." }, { "end_time": "16:58", "start_time": "16:58", "text": "Killed." }, { "end_time": "17:02", "start_time": "16:59", "text": "And she, again, the whole night, she could not sleep." }, { "end_time": "17:04", "start_time": "17:02", "text": "And here, something very important happened." }, { "end_time": "17:06", "start_time": "17:04", "text": "Now she's a commanding officer's wife." }, { "end_time": "17:14", "start_time": "17:07", "text": "She did not want the other Joans or the officer's wife to see tomorrow morning, her in a shattered condition." }, { "end_time": "17:21", "start_time": "17:15", "text": "She held herself together and showed as if it's okay." }, { "end_time": "17:24", "start_time": "17:21", "text": "You can imagine the strength our families have." }, { "end_time": "17:25", "start_time": "17:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:39", "start_time": "17:26", "text": "That is how they are their sacrifice, their contribution in the soldier's life must be acknowledged or appreciated and honored." }, { "end_time": "17:44", "start_time": "17:40", "text": "I think they are the most powerful women on this planet." }, { "end_time": "17:52", "start_time": "17:46", "text": "So I think one of the phases most associated with your tenure is your time in Kashmir." }, { "end_time": "17:59", "start_time": "17:52", "text": "And, even if someone reads your Wikipedia page, it's very evident that you worked a lot towards peace." }, { "end_time": "18:05", "start_time": "17:59", "text": "You actually encouraged the mothers of the insurgents to convince them to not be insurgents." }, { "end_time": "18:14", "start_time": "18:05", "text": "And, I think that's a very noble way of, kind of putting the right message across and trying to do things in the right way." }, { "end_time": "18:24", "start_time": "18:14", "text": "But I also want to ask you a very brutal question here, which is that civilians who are sitting in Mumbai, Delhi, etcetera, what do they not understand about the reality of Kashmir?" }, { "end_time": "18:26", "start_time": "18:24", "text": "You've had 6, 10ures, I believe." }, { "end_time": "18:29", "start_time": "18:27", "text": "6 in Kashmir, 7 in Jammu and Kashmir." }, { "end_time": "18:32", "start_time": "18:29", "text": "Total 8, 10 years encountered terrorist counter incident series." }, { "end_time": "18:38", "start_time": "18:33", "text": "Beginning in 1990 up till as recently as?" }, { "end_time": "18:39", "start_time": "18:38", "text": "2,020." }, { "end_time": "18:40", "start_time": "18:40", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "18:44", "start_time": "18:42", "text": "What has changed in Kashmir?" }, { "end_time": "18:47", "start_time": "18:44", "text": "And what do civilians not understand about the reality?" }, { "end_time": "18:53", "start_time": "18:47", "text": "Because civilians will turn to one news channel and they'll say something, another news channel will say the complete opposite." }, { "end_time": "18:58", "start_time": "18:54", "text": "Traditional news media has lost its reputation because of these things." }, { "end_time": "19:06", "start_time": "18:58", "text": "We're not getting into the details of why they sway in either direction, but I want to know from a soldier what's the reality on ground." }, { "end_time": "19:10", "start_time": "19:07", "text": "See, Kashmir or Jammu and Kashmir issue." }, { "end_time": "19:19", "start_time": "19:12", "text": "Without going into much of a history, I'll just restrict to the terrorist terrorism point of view." }, { "end_time": "19:33", "start_time": "19:20", "text": "Pakistan wanted Kashmir to be destabilized, to be unhappy, and Pakistan wanted something to keep projecting that Kashmir card so that people don't ask them the questions about their domestic failures." }, { "end_time": "19:34", "start_time": "19:34", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "19:43", "start_time": "19:34", "text": "May it be political, may it be economic, and may it be military or whatever diploma, which have now become very pronounced in Pakistan's, on, backyard." }, { "end_time": "19:45", "start_time": "19:44", "text": "They are in economic mess." }, { "end_time": "19:48", "start_time": "19:45", "text": "They have so much of, political issues and all those things." }, { "end_time": "19:51", "start_time": "19:48", "text": "So one thing which binds them together is Kashmir." }, { "end_time": "19:53", "start_time": "19:51", "text": "So they wanted Kashmir to keep burning." }, { "end_time": "19:59", "start_time": "19:55", "text": "So when it happened in 89, when it started, I was there as a young captain, 88." }, { "end_time": "20:01", "start_time": "19:59", "text": "First time I went to Kashmir." }, { "end_time": "20:06", "start_time": "20:01", "text": "When the Kashmiri Pandits came out I'll tell you why this thing is Kashmiri Pandits came out." }, { "end_time": "20:09", "start_time": "20:06", "text": "The population demography changed." }, { "end_time": "20:18", "start_time": "20:10", "text": "Kashmiri Pandits were basically in through education profession plus, other businesses, but the education collapsed." }, { "end_time": "20:24", "start_time": "20:19", "text": "The village schools, which are made of wood those days, those were burned down by the rest." }, { "end_time": "20:29", "start_time": "20:25", "text": "So children were not getting good education because good teachers had left most of them." }, { "end_time": "20:31", "start_time": "20:30", "text": "And they were the problem." }, { "end_time": "20:36", "start_time": "20:31", "text": "There afterwards, the huriyat, the hartal, the lockdowns started." }, { "end_time": "20:42", "start_time": "20:36", "text": "Every second day used to be cashmere lockdown or this for that reason or this reason, and the schools won't open." }, { "end_time": "20:50", "start_time": "20:43", "text": "The children would not go to school for 200 to 250 days in a year because of these lockdowns." }, { "end_time": "20:55", "start_time": "20:51", "text": "You can pick up your grocery if you feel that 3 days lockdown." }, { "end_time": "21:05", "start_time": "20:55", "text": "Today, you can pick up after 3 days of another 7 days, but you cannot catch up on your syllabus which you have missed about 80% of the classes." }, { "end_time": "21:09", "start_time": "21:05", "text": "Then they were promoted en masse without exams." }, { "end_time": "21:13", "start_time": "21:10", "text": "As a result, the base of education was very weak." }, { "end_time": "21:21", "start_time": "21:14", "text": "Then they come to 10th, 12th class when they have to compete for getting admission in good professional college or good universities." }, { "end_time": "21:28", "start_time": "21:21", "text": "So naturally, when the child has not been through a good education upbringing, they could not compete." }, { "end_time": "21:40", "start_time": "21:28", "text": "Now because of 37035 a, mostly 35 a, the industry or the multinational corporations were not allowed to come into Kashmir for establishing industry." }, { "end_time": "21:42", "start_time": "21:40", "text": "So the job opportunities were less." }, { "end_time": "21:44", "start_time": "21:42", "text": "Economic growth was less." }, { "end_time": "21:51", "start_time": "21:44", "text": "And because of terrorism, Kashmir is a basically a tourism oriented, society and a gradient society." }, { "end_time": "21:53", "start_time": "21:52", "text": "Basically fruits." }, { "end_time": "21:57", "start_time": "21:53", "text": "And when the terrorism was there, the tourists stopped coming." }, { "end_time": "22:02", "start_time": "21:57", "text": "So there's a lot of hot layers, lot of, transport businesses, shopkeepers, they lost their income." }, { "end_time": "22:15", "start_time": "22:03", "text": "Coupled with this in 1990, when India opened up to world economy and world become a global village, 1990 is the time when terrorism started in Kashmir." }, { "end_time": "22:20", "start_time": "22:16", "text": "Here, there was economic growth happening, job creations happening." }, { "end_time": "22:27", "start_time": "22:20", "text": "There, the education going down, the economic growth going down, the job creation going down." }, { "end_time": "22:28", "start_time": "22:27", "text": "And what happened in the end?" }, { "end_time": "22:35", "start_time": "22:28", "text": "When the boy could not get into a good university, good college, he was like a cannon fodder for the terrorist to be recruited." }, { "end_time": "22:37", "start_time": "22:35", "text": "And this is exactly what Pakistan wanted." }, { "end_time": "22:46", "start_time": "22:38", "text": "Pakistan did not want this young Kashmir boys to get good education, good job, then they will not ask for what Pakistan is asking." }, { "end_time": "22:47", "start_time": "22:47", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:50", "start_time": "22:47", "text": "So the whole ecosystem, it worked towards it." }, { "end_time": "23:01", "start_time": "22:50", "text": "And now after 5th August 2019, the 370 having been aggregated, there's a lot of investment which is going in, there's a lot of peace which is happening, There's a lot of awareness which has come in." }, { "end_time": "23:06", "start_time": "23:02", "text": "So things are on the upper graph now, and I'm sure they will change for good." }, { "end_time": "23:12", "start_time": "23:06", "text": "What about that lost generation of children which didn't get good education but are also not becoming insurgents?" }, { "end_time": "23:14", "start_time": "23:12", "text": "What are they up to now?" }, { "end_time": "23:20", "start_time": "23:15", "text": "Kashmiri society is a very intellectual society." }, { "end_time": "23:21", "start_time": "23:20", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "23:22", "start_time": "23:21", "text": "They're a very aware society." }, { "end_time": "23:27", "start_time": "23:24", "text": "They're a very education oriented society." }, { "end_time": "23:29", "start_time": "23:28", "text": "They are poets." }, { "end_time": "23:30", "start_time": "23:29", "text": "They are musicians." }, { "end_time": "23:32", "start_time": "23:31", "text": "They are artisans." }, { "end_time": "23:34", "start_time": "23:32", "text": "They are, you know, different types of art." }, { "end_time": "23:40", "start_time": "23:34", "text": "Maybe carpets, maybe paper mache, maybe walnut wood, or what have you." }, { "end_time": "23:45", "start_time": "23:40", "text": "So this whole generation which you're talking about, it's not the generation which suffered." }, { "end_time": "23:48", "start_time": "23:46", "text": "It is the society which suffered." }, { "end_time": "23:53", "start_time": "23:50", "text": "Our society which was so intellectual, which was so nice." }, { "end_time": "24:01", "start_time": "23:54", "text": "Now today, 2 third of the population of Jammu and Kashmir is below the age of 30." }, { "end_time": "24:06", "start_time": "24:03", "text": "And they have grown up under the gun culture like I always say." }, { "end_time": "24:14", "start_time": "24:07", "text": "So that society, that gap in that generation of the age group is what we have to understand." }, { "end_time": "24:15", "start_time": "24:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:23", "start_time": "24:15", "text": "2 third of the population has seen this terrorism happening day in and day out in the neighborhood in their own houses." }, { "end_time": "24:24", "start_time": "24:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:32", "start_time": "24:25", "text": "So we need to understand the psychology psych of, this generation and need to be more human towards their cause and their feelings." }, { "end_time": "24:33", "start_time": "24:32", "text": "All of them are not terrorists." }, { "end_time": "24:35", "start_time": "24:33", "text": "Let me be very clear." }, { "end_time": "24:39", "start_time": "24:35", "text": "The people who are terrorists or people who are terrorist sympathizers, they are in single digit." }, { "end_time": "24:39", "start_time": "24:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:52", "start_time": "24:40", "text": "Normal Kashmiri just wants his daily life, his good education, good hospital facilities, good, you know, job, opportunities and peaceful life with the family." }, { "end_time": "24:58", "start_time": "24:55", "text": "So what's the reality of Pakistan occupied Kashmir?" }, { "end_time": "25:07", "start_time": "24:58", "text": "It's a aspect of the world which is very I'd say it's probably not understood enough by Indian citizens." }, { "end_time": "25:09", "start_time": "25:07", "text": "What's the reality of that land right now?" }, { "end_time": "25:13", "start_time": "25:09", "text": "Like, if you go there right now, what's happening there all over?" }, { "end_time": "25:14", "start_time": "25:13", "text": "Is it peaceful?" }, { "end_time": "25:16", "start_time": "25:14", "text": "Is it a hotbed of insurgency?" }, { "end_time": "25:18", "start_time": "25:17", "text": "What's happening?" }, { "end_time": "25:29", "start_time": "25:18", "text": "I mean, we know the answer, but I want I'll just give you a little background to, where some of the audience may not understand what Pakistan occupied Kashmir is when Kashmir acceded to India on a legal document." }, { "end_time": "25:40", "start_time": "25:30", "text": "Pakistan sent in their radars to occupy Kashmir by force, and they were almost on the outskirts of Serenaagat when the Indian army went in and pushed them back." }, { "end_time": "25:56", "start_time": "25:41", "text": "They have been pushed back from the Kashmir Valley, but some part of the as well, Jammu, and Kashmir, including Gilgit Baltistan and some area of Jammu and Kashmir are still with them because they could only be pushed up to a particular place because it was month of October." }, { "end_time": "26:01", "start_time": "25:57", "text": "Then the winters came in, the passes got covered, and there were the river obstacles." }, { "end_time": "26:08", "start_time": "26:01", "text": "So that area, which is still under Pakistan control, outside the Kashmir Valley, per se, is called Pakistan occupied Kashmir." }, { "end_time": "26:11", "start_time": "26:08", "text": "They are also same Kashmiri people there." }, { "end_time": "26:15", "start_time": "26:11", "text": "The brothers who have this side and that side of the line of control." }, { "end_time": "26:24", "start_time": "26:15", "text": "The situation there is such good thing which happened was the Internet, the social media, the, you know, global village concept." }, { "end_time": "26:29", "start_time": "26:24", "text": "And there were bus service who just started between Pakistan occupied Kashmir and Kashmir." }, { "end_time": "26:36", "start_time": "26:30", "text": "So anyone who went to Pakistan occupied Kashmir spent few days there with their relatives, came back." }, { "end_time": "26:38", "start_time": "26:36", "text": "He came and told the horror stories." }, { "end_time": "26:43", "start_time": "26:39", "text": "The neglect which Pakistan occupied Kashmir was undergoing." }, { "end_time": "26:46", "start_time": "26:44", "text": "The lack of education higher education facilities." }, { "end_time": "26:52", "start_time": "26:48", "text": "Actually, the 9 medical colleges which are coming up are were already there in J and K." }, { "end_time": "26:54", "start_time": "26:52", "text": "Whereas that said they're nil." }, { "end_time": "27:05", "start_time": "26:56", "text": "The type of job opportunity which are now getting created beside the airports, the hospitals, the IITs, the IIMs which are coming up." }, { "end_time": "27:09", "start_time": "27:05", "text": "It's a it's a it's a world of a difference." }, { "end_time": "27:15", "start_time": "27:10", "text": "So that is now becoming clear because of the social media and the Internet." }, { "end_time": "27:16", "start_time": "27:15", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "27:18", "start_time": "27:16", "text": "And people going and physically seeing it." }, { "end_time": "27:22", "start_time": "27:18", "text": "Honestly, this podcast is a lot of Kashmir education for me as well." }, { "end_time": "27:27", "start_time": "27:22", "text": "And I feel so many people who appear on these news channels with strong opinions about it." }, { "end_time": "27:30", "start_time": "27:27", "text": "Is it fair to say that they're not fully informed about the reality?" }, { "end_time": "27:34", "start_time": "27:32", "text": "I will not specifically talk about anyone." }, { "end_time": "27:41", "start_time": "27:35", "text": "I will say anyone who has not been to Kashmir is an opinion maker on Kashmir." }, { "end_time": "27:42", "start_time": "27:41", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "27:43", "start_time": "27:42", "text": "I'll tell you one small anecdote." }, { "end_time": "27:45", "start_time": "27:43", "text": "I was a core commander in Kashmir." }, { "end_time": "27:46", "start_time": "27:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:57", "start_time": "27:46", "text": "And, 370 aggregation had taken place And a top newspaper chief editor wanted to come to Kashmir and interview me." }, { "end_time": "28:07", "start_time": "27:58", "text": "So we fixed up the date and time, and he flew in from Delhi and and say the time was fixed, say, 11 o'clock or so he came at about 10:30." }, { "end_time": "28:11", "start_time": "28:09", "text": "So my staff told me, sir, the gentleman is here." }, { "end_time": "28:12", "start_time": "28:11", "text": "I said, okay." }, { "end_time": "28:14", "start_time": "28:12", "text": "We can finish off the thing." }, { "end_time": "28:16", "start_time": "28:14", "text": "So he came in and he says, sir, I'm very sorry." }, { "end_time": "28:19", "start_time": "28:16", "text": "I underestimated overestimated that travel time." }, { "end_time": "28:21", "start_time": "28:19", "text": "I came a little faster." }, { "end_time": "28:22", "start_time": "28:21", "text": "So I said, yes." }, { "end_time": "28:24", "start_time": "28:22", "text": "Then it takes that much time from the airport." }, { "end_time": "28:27", "start_time": "28:25", "text": "Isabel, I was thinking there's a lockdown." }, { "end_time": "28:29", "start_time": "28:27", "text": "I'm talking of post 5th August." }, { "end_time": "28:30", "start_time": "28:29", "text": "There's a lockdown." }, { "end_time": "28:32", "start_time": "28:30", "text": "There'll be a lot of checking, lot of places." }, { "end_time": "28:38", "start_time": "28:32", "text": "I'll be hold up at the barrier and asked to prove my ID, and it will take me a long time." }, { "end_time": "28:39", "start_time": "28:38", "text": "So I said, no." }, { "end_time": "28:40", "start_time": "28:39", "text": "Nothing like that happened." }, { "end_time": "28:41", "start_time": "28:40", "text": "He said, yes." }, { "end_time": "28:42", "start_time": "28:41", "text": "The all shops are open." }, { "end_time": "28:43", "start_time": "28:42", "text": "All roads are open." }, { "end_time": "28:45", "start_time": "28:43", "text": "Traffic is moving around freely." }, { "end_time": "28:47", "start_time": "28:45", "text": "There is no roadblocks." }, { "end_time": "28:48", "start_time": "28:47", "text": "There are no barriers." }, { "end_time": "28:50", "start_time": "28:48", "text": "And that's why I reached half an hour early." }, { "end_time": "28:51", "start_time": "28:50", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "28:56", "start_time": "28:52", "text": "So I said, who's telling you there was a lockdown?" }, { "end_time": "28:57", "start_time": "28:56", "text": "There's no nothing called lockdown." }, { "end_time": "28:58", "start_time": "28:57", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "29:01", "start_time": "28:58", "text": "He said also about the whole, media is saying there's a lockdown in Kashmir." }, { "end_time": "29:05", "start_time": "29:02", "text": "I told him, I said, you you are the media." }, { "end_time": "29:06", "start_time": "29:05", "text": "You are a newspaper editor." }, { "end_time": "29:09", "start_time": "29:07", "text": "And then comes the beauty." }, { "end_time": "29:12", "start_time": "29:09", "text": "Then he says, actually, I write twice a month." }, { "end_time": "29:16", "start_time": "29:12", "text": "I write an article on Kashmir in editorial column." }, { "end_time": "29:18", "start_time": "29:16", "text": "So I thought I must go and see Kashmir." }, { "end_time": "29:19", "start_time": "29:19", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "29:21", "start_time": "29:19", "text": "He has not been to Kashmir." }, { "end_time": "29:29", "start_time": "29:21", "text": "He's writing editorial articles on Kashmir, and he has a perception even being in the media, which is supposed to be aware of things." }, { "end_time": "29:30", "start_time": "29:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:31", "start_time": "29:30", "text": "And that is what I'm saying." }, { "end_time": "29:42", "start_time": "29:31", "text": "The narrative building about Kashmir, about wrong things going around Kashmir are all narrative building." }, { "end_time": "29:44", "start_time": "29:42", "text": "Pakistan till today is saying Kashmir, there's a lockdown." }, { "end_time": "29:49", "start_time": "29:46", "text": "There are there are movie shootings which happening in, Kashmir." }, { "end_time": "29:49", "start_time": "29:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:03", "start_time": "29:50", "text": "So there that's why if anyone who comes on the TV where they can influence a young mind, my request would be, you should have done your homework, you should be an expert on the subject, and you should know the topic." }, { "end_time": "30:10", "start_time": "30:05", "text": "Because you spent so much time in Kashmir, please feel free not to answer this also." }, { "end_time": "30:14", "start_time": "30:11", "text": "You witnessed the Kashmiri Pandit exodus?" }, { "end_time": "30:15", "start_time": "30:14", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "30:18", "start_time": "30:15", "text": "I was a young captain in North Kashmir in district, Upada." }, { "end_time": "30:21", "start_time": "30:19", "text": "And, on 19th January 1990." }, { "end_time": "30:30", "start_time": "30:22", "text": "Before that, we I reached there in September 1988, and I was there till, better part of, 1990." }, { "end_time": "30:35", "start_time": "30:31", "text": "So I witnessed the situation at that time." }, { "end_time": "30:45", "start_time": "30:35", "text": "However, since I was only a captain and in a particular area with a particular area of responsibility, I written about this in a great detail in my book because what happened on that day?" }, { "end_time": "30:47", "start_time": "30:45", "text": "What happened prior to that?" }, { "end_time": "30:51", "start_time": "30:47", "text": "And a lot of people even question as to why the army didn't do anything." }, { "end_time": "30:53", "start_time": "30:52", "text": "Can you give a gist?" }, { "end_time": "30:56", "start_time": "30:53", "text": "Like I told you, Kashmiri Pandits left." }, { "end_time": "30:58", "start_time": "30:56", "text": "Education system collapsed." }, { "end_time": "31:03", "start_time": "30:58", "text": "The ecosystem of Houriat, the terrorist, and all those people, anyone who didn't align with them got killed." }, { "end_time": "31:07", "start_time": "31:04", "text": "They made sure that society remained uneducated." }, { "end_time": "31:11", "start_time": "31:07", "text": "The sociopolitical economic aspects, outcomes of this." }, { "end_time": "31:13", "start_time": "31:12", "text": "Social outcome." }, { "end_time": "31:16", "start_time": "31:13", "text": "There's a very deep rooted thing." }, { "end_time": "31:22", "start_time": "31:16", "text": "You will see no, you know, higher cast chap getting killed in encounter." }, { "end_time": "31:26", "start_time": "31:22", "text": "They're all the controllers of terrorism." }, { "end_time": "31:31", "start_time": "31:27", "text": "There's a cannon for the cast which gets killed in the encounters." }, { "end_time": "31:32", "start_time": "31:31", "text": "Economics." }, { "end_time": "31:41", "start_time": "31:32", "text": "Because of the terrorism, because of lack of education, because of lack of good opportunities, good infrastructure, good development, no peace, Economic development has not happened." }, { "end_time": "31:46", "start_time": "31:42", "text": "Because the education had not happened, economic development has not happened, the job creation is not there." }, { "end_time": "31:47", "start_time": "31:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:51", "start_time": "31:47", "text": "There are no MNCs, which have come in because of 35 a." }, { "end_time": "31:55", "start_time": "31:51", "text": "And tourism society, basically, everyone depend on tourism." }, { "end_time": "31:58", "start_time": "31:55", "text": "Because there are no peace, tourist tourists were scared to go." }, { "end_time": "32:00", "start_time": "31:58", "text": "At times, the terrorist even killed the tourists." }, { "end_time": "32:01", "start_time": "32:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:03", "start_time": "32:02", "text": "Whose fault?" }, { "end_time": "32:07", "start_time": "32:03", "text": "Not a Kashmiri local's fault, but he suffered." }, { "end_time": "32:08", "start_time": "32:08", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "32:10", "start_time": "32:08", "text": "Very unrelated question." }, { "end_time": "32:11", "start_time": "32:10", "text": "Do you believe in karma?" }, { "end_time": "32:13", "start_time": "32:12", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "32:15", "start_time": "32:13", "text": "You believe that actions have consequences?" }, { "end_time": "32:26", "start_time": "32:17", "text": "See, I will say every man is responsible for himself, for his actions." }, { "end_time": "32:33", "start_time": "32:26", "text": "But as a military commander, I'm also responsible for the well-being of my men under my command." }, { "end_time": "32:45", "start_time": "32:33", "text": "For me, karma is not only that I do good karma so I'll get the good results in this life or the next life where my children will, get a, you know, good result because of the karma." }, { "end_time": "32:47", "start_time": "32:45", "text": "For me, karma is instant." }, { "end_time": "32:48", "start_time": "32:47", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:58", "start_time": "32:48", "text": "If I'm a good commander, if I do my planning properly, I conduct my operations properly, I lead my team properly, my actions are judicial, they're justified and transparent." }, { "end_time": "33:01", "start_time": "32:59", "text": "I'll come back with my men safe." }, { "end_time": "33:02", "start_time": "33:01", "text": "I'll come back myself safe." }, { "end_time": "33:03", "start_time": "33:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:05", "start_time": "33:03", "text": "So Karma is granting me immediately." }, { "end_time": "33:12", "start_time": "33:06", "text": "But the point which you are making you know, every Indian has got that feeling somewhere at the back of the mind." }, { "end_time": "33:21", "start_time": "33:12", "text": "And I'm no different, but I would want to do the thing rightly in the right manner as a part of the team Yes." }, { "end_time": "33:22", "start_time": "33:21", "text": "For the overall good of my team." }, { "end_time": "33:23", "start_time": "33:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:32", "start_time": "33:24", "text": "The reason I ask you this is because I've been reading about this concept called collective karma, which means that societies in general also hold a certain karma." }, { "end_time": "33:42", "start_time": "33:32", "text": "That if a society is inflicting pain or a country is inflicting inflicting pain on another country, it's going to come back at some point, which makes me think about Pakistan in general." }, { "end_time": "33:46", "start_time": "33:42", "text": "After the 2 podcasts we've done, it has been responsible." }, { "end_time": "33:52", "start_time": "33:46", "text": "The ISI has been responsible for, you know, creating havoc in this one area." }, { "end_time": "34:01", "start_time": "33:54", "text": "What I wish to ask you is, you know, what's happening inside Pakistan right now as well, not just economically?" }, { "end_time": "34:12", "start_time": "34:02", "text": "What I believe is that a lot of news is actually blocked in mainstream media in Pakistan from the geopolitical analysts that we've had on the show." }, { "end_time": "34:16", "start_time": "34:12", "text": "They speak about the rewards happening in places like Balochistan, Northwest front Frontier Province." }, { "end_time": "34:19", "start_time": "34:16", "text": "There are parts of Pakistan that don't want to be a part of it." }, { "end_time": "34:20", "start_time": "34:19", "text": "Is that true?" }, { "end_time": "34:23", "start_time": "34:20", "text": "And I'm asking for your objective geopolitical opinion here." }, { "end_time": "34:24", "start_time": "34:23", "text": "I'll sum up in one line." }, { "end_time": "34:25", "start_time": "34:24", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "34:28", "start_time": "34:25", "text": "The whole thing which you are talking about Pakistan and the karma and other things." }, { "end_time": "34:33", "start_time": "34:29", "text": "A very, important world leader had told Pakistan." }, { "end_time": "34:39", "start_time": "34:34", "text": "If you have snakes in your backyard, you can't expect them to bite your neighbor only." }, { "end_time": "34:44", "start_time": "34:40", "text": "So this one statement sums up the whole thing." }, { "end_time": "34:45", "start_time": "34:44", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "34:47", "start_time": "34:45", "text": "What Pakistan has done over the decades." }, { "end_time": "34:50", "start_time": "34:49", "text": "The the terrorists are going to come back." }, { "end_time": "34:51", "start_time": "34:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:54", "start_time": "34:51", "text": "So they're not only going to be there directly towards one side." }, { "end_time": "34:56", "start_time": "34:55", "text": "So I'll leave it at that." }, { "end_time": "34:58", "start_time": "34:57", "text": "One military question." }, { "end_time": "34:59", "start_time": "34:58", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "35:01", "start_time": "34:59", "text": "India has a very large border." }, { "end_time": "35:04", "start_time": "35:02", "text": "It's like so curvy inside out." }, { "end_time": "35:09", "start_time": "35:05", "text": "How do you possibly patrol the entire border?" }, { "end_time": "35:11", "start_time": "35:09", "text": "Are there, like, modern satellite systems?" }, { "end_time": "35:18", "start_time": "35:11", "text": "Like, I I just don't understand how such a la large land mass can be completely protected." }, { "end_time": "35:23", "start_time": "35:18", "text": "And is it a scientific problem that the military is trying to solve for constantly?" }, { "end_time": "35:26", "start_time": "35:25", "text": "Just for the benefit of the audience." }, { "end_time": "35:27", "start_time": "35:26", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "35:32", "start_time": "35:27", "text": "The highest battlefield on earth is searching glacier." }, { "end_time": "35:35", "start_time": "35:33", "text": "India is fighting there." }, { "end_time": "35:40", "start_time": "35:35", "text": "And on the other extreme of the spectrum, India is also protecting its silent territories." }, { "end_time": "35:42", "start_time": "35:41", "text": "There's a main sea level." }, { "end_time": "35:43", "start_time": "35:42", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "35:48", "start_time": "35:43", "text": "So from main sea level right up to the highest battlefield, that's on Himalayas." }, { "end_time": "35:52", "start_time": "35:49", "text": "In between, we have all types of borders." }, { "end_time": "35:59", "start_time": "35:52", "text": "May it be altitude, may it be mountains, may it be riverine, may it be deserts, may it be jungles, may it be coastline." }, { "end_time": "36:09", "start_time": "36:00", "text": "So we as a military or as a nation are guarding all these borders and with 2 nuclear neighbors who are not very friendly." }, { "end_time": "36:15", "start_time": "36:11", "text": "So the question which you asked, there's a mix and match of everything." }, { "end_time": "36:16", "start_time": "36:16", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "36:21", "start_time": "36:16", "text": "There is a electronic, surveillance means which are available." }, { "end_time": "36:33", "start_time": "36:21", "text": "The physical holding of areas which is definitely there, and the physical blocking of areas for a specific period of time coupled with the electronic means of surveillance." }, { "end_time": "36:35", "start_time": "36:33", "text": "They can be ground based." }, { "end_time": "36:37", "start_time": "36:35", "text": "They can be raised platform based." }, { "end_time": "36:39", "start_time": "36:37", "text": "They can be, you know, from the 3rd dimension." }, { "end_time": "36:48", "start_time": "36:40", "text": "So all these coupled together form a very nice network of border management." }, { "end_time": "36:49", "start_time": "36:49", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "36:57", "start_time": "36:49", "text": "Is drone warfare or drone surveillance becoming more and more important in modern day military life?" }, { "end_time": "37:04", "start_time": "36:58", "text": "As far as I understand, in the same way that we have army, navy, air force, we've spoken about cyber and space on the last podcast." }, { "end_time": "37:06", "start_time": "37:04", "text": "One thing I didn't touch upon is drones." }, { "end_time": "37:08", "start_time": "37:07", "text": "Has it come to the forefront?" }, { "end_time": "37:15", "start_time": "37:09", "text": "See, warfare like any other field is a dynamic and evolving field." }, { "end_time": "37:27", "start_time": "37:16", "text": "From spears and swords to horse cavalry to foot infantry to tanks to guns to helicopters to aerial warships and, you know, attack." }, { "end_time": "37:32", "start_time": "37:28", "text": "And the evolving evolution is still going on." }, { "end_time": "37:32", "start_time": "37:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "37:34", "start_time": "37:32", "text": "Drones are just one part of it." }, { "end_time": "37:35", "start_time": "37:35", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "37:40", "start_time": "37:35", "text": "In the recent times, yes, they have gained certain relevance and importance." }, { "end_time": "37:43", "start_time": "37:41", "text": "And but they're not a standalone system." }, { "end_time": "37:47", "start_time": "37:43", "text": "They're part of the overall war fighting network." }, { "end_time": "37:47", "start_time": "37:47", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "37:54", "start_time": "37:47", "text": "But, yes, in the last few of the one decade plus, they are becoming more and more pronounced." }, { "end_time": "37:58", "start_time": "37:54", "text": "The use is becoming more and more lethal and multifaceted." }, { "end_time": "38:02", "start_time": "38:00", "text": "Offense is the best form of defense." }, { "end_time": "38:03", "start_time": "38:02", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "38:06", "start_time": "38:03", "text": "That's something I know every military man believes in strongly." }, { "end_time": "38:10", "start_time": "38:06", "text": "We talk about cyber attacks happening on us or on civilians, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "38:14", "start_time": "38:11", "text": "I'm 110% sure that there is a cyber unit in the military as well." }, { "end_time": "38:16", "start_time": "38:15", "text": "You don't need to elaborate on it." }, { "end_time": "38:22", "start_time": "38:16", "text": "So if if you think it's inappropriate and pardon me if I've asked you something that's too much where I've crossed the line." }, { "end_time": "38:23", "start_time": "38:22", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "38:23", "start_time": "38:23", "text": "I'll tell you." }, { "end_time": "38:27", "start_time": "38:24", "text": "We have a defense cyber agency Okay." }, { "end_time": "38:31", "start_time": "38:27", "text": "Which works under the headquarter ideas under the CDS." }, { "end_time": "38:34", "start_time": "38:31", "text": "We have the defense space agency Okay." }, { "end_time": "38:37", "start_time": "38:34", "text": "Which also works under the headquarter ideas and the CDS." }, { "end_time": "38:48", "start_time": "38:37", "text": "And they also work in conjunction with other assets of the government, other agencies who are dealing with the similar topics and subjects, nonmilitary agencies." }, { "end_time": "38:54", "start_time": "38:48", "text": "And, like, I was in the CDS secretary at function in my last appointment." }, { "end_time": "38:55", "start_time": "38:54", "text": "They work very closely." }, { "end_time": "38:58", "start_time": "38:56", "text": "They actually notes on real time basis." }, { "end_time": "39:03", "start_time": "38:59", "text": "So it's not that, one is working in a different silo." }, { "end_time": "39:09", "start_time": "39:03", "text": "They're very cohesive, coherent, and integrated way of functioning between these agencies." }, { "end_time": "39:10", "start_time": "39:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "39:12", "start_time": "39:11", "text": "So they're there and it's an open secret." }, { "end_time": "39:13", "start_time": "39:12", "text": "I'm not telling you Okay." }, { "end_time": "39:15", "start_time": "39:14", "text": "Anything which is, classified." }, { "end_time": "39:20", "start_time": "39:17", "text": "Again, one more question because I'm enjoying talking to you, sir." }, { "end_time": "39:23", "start_time": "39:20", "text": "It's not every day that you get to a chance or talk to someone like yourself." }, { "end_time": "39:45", "start_time": "39:25", "text": "You know, when you talk about these agencies, secret services of India or even the cyber warfare unit of the Indian military, I'm sure there is a very well thought out recruitment process, which is not going to be the same as recruiting people for the actual military, not the army, navy efforts." }, { "end_time": "39:49", "start_time": "39:45", "text": "That's a whole other process because they're human beings are the weapons." }, { "end_time": "39:52", "start_time": "39:49", "text": "Here, it's much more about probably the human mind being the weapon." }, { "end_time": "40:02", "start_time": "39:52", "text": "So, my question is really there are some, kind of situations that happen in the public eye where the military is keeping an eye on it and recruiting the best talent out of India." }, { "end_time": "40:04", "start_time": "40:02", "text": "Am I right in saying that?" }, { "end_time": "40:05", "start_time": "40:04", "text": "Because that's what the youth hopes for." }, { "end_time": "40:10", "start_time": "40:05", "text": "There's a two way, manning of these agencies." }, { "end_time": "40:11", "start_time": "40:11", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "40:14", "start_time": "40:11", "text": "1 is, you go for a tenure." }, { "end_time": "40:15", "start_time": "40:15", "text": "You come back." }, { "end_time": "40:20", "start_time": "40:15", "text": "But your aptitude and your qualification is from the regular, military." }, { "end_time": "40:33", "start_time": "40:20", "text": "If you are you're having the qualification which is required in these agencies, and you have the aptitude and you are updated because you've done some course or something, then you go for 2 years, 3 years, extendable to 5 years or whatever time." }, { "end_time": "40:35", "start_time": "40:33", "text": "So but these people's career, where does it start?" }, { "end_time": "40:38", "start_time": "40:35", "text": "Like, do they They start as a proper military professionals." }, { "end_time": "40:41", "start_time": "40:39", "text": "You're talking about, like, secret service?" }, { "end_time": "40:41", "start_time": "40:41", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "40:43", "start_time": "40:41", "text": "I'm talking about the cyber and space and other stuff." }, { "end_time": "40:44", "start_time": "40:43", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "40:44", "start_time": "40:44", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "40:45", "start_time": "40:44", "text": "And even the secret services." }, { "end_time": "40:46", "start_time": "40:46", "text": "It's there." }, { "end_time": "40:49", "start_time": "40:46", "text": "There's also in the secret services also." }, { "end_time": "40:52", "start_time": "40:49", "text": "There is there were consist of all the other, services." }, { "end_time": "40:54", "start_time": "40:53", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "40:56", "start_time": "40:54", "text": "So person who has the aptitude, they're taken on deputation." }, { "end_time": "40:58", "start_time": "40:56", "text": "At times, they absorb permanently." }, { "end_time": "41:03", "start_time": "40:58", "text": "So there are various, you know, ways they can work for these agencies or the federal service." }, { "end_time": "41:07", "start_time": "41:03", "text": "Without going to tell, it's it's the best man for the job." }, { "end_time": "41:08", "start_time": "41:07", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "41:10", "start_time": "41:08", "text": "And these are recruited from military colleges, Bert?" }, { "end_time": "41:12", "start_time": "41:10", "text": "They are recruiting from all over." }, { "end_time": "41:16", "start_time": "41:13", "text": "Depending on if the chap is serving in the police." }, { "end_time": "41:16", "start_time": "41:16", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "41:18", "start_time": "41:16", "text": "He has the aptitude and talent." }, { "end_time": "41:20", "start_time": "41:18", "text": "He's picked up and taken there." }, { "end_time": "41:21", "start_time": "41:20", "text": "He's found suitable." }, { "end_time": "41:22", "start_time": "41:21", "text": "He's retained." }, { "end_time": "41:28", "start_time": "41:22", "text": "He can be there for 3 years, 5 years, 10 years, come back to his parent card or he can continue in that card." }, { "end_time": "41:32", "start_time": "41:28", "text": "So it's nothing bad here." }, { "end_time": "41:32", "start_time": "41:32", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "41:36", "start_time": "41:32", "text": "Aim is to pick up the best who can do the best job for the country." }, { "end_time": "41:37", "start_time": "41:37", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "41:39", "start_time": "41:37", "text": "And he can be picked up from, any service." }, { "end_time": "41:41", "start_time": "41:39", "text": "I'm just drawing out a very hypothetical scenario." }, { "end_time": "41:47", "start_time": "41:41", "text": "Suppose there is a hackathon, you know, these coders come together to code something very elaborate." }, { "end_time": "41:53", "start_time": "41:47", "text": "Would the Indian secret services actually go to that hackathon, keep a track of who's the best coder, and then pull them in?" }, { "end_time": "42:01", "start_time": "41:53", "text": "They they the people who are responsible, let's start and all people who are responsible for, you know, defense against all these hackings and all." }, { "end_time": "42:04", "start_time": "42:01", "text": "They do conduct, hacker conferences and all." }, { "end_time": "42:04", "start_time": "42:04", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "42:07", "start_time": "42:04", "text": "And, if they find someone suitable, I'm sure." }, { "end_time": "42:11", "start_time": "42:08", "text": "So I won't know the details of it." }, { "end_time": "42:11", "start_time": "42:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:17", "start_time": "42:11", "text": "But I'm sure if this jab is good and it's got the potential, he must be taken in." }, { "end_time": "42:17", "start_time": "42:17", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "42:26", "start_time": "42:17", "text": "At the end of the day, aim is that his qualities or his potential must be used for the good of the nation." }, { "end_time": "42:29", "start_time": "42:26", "text": "You need the muscle of the mind sometimes Yes." }, { "end_time": "42:29", "start_time": "42:29", "text": "In these situations." }, { "end_time": "42:36", "start_time": "42:30", "text": "I'm assuming that it's the sharpest, most capable minds out of all Yes." }, { "end_time": "42:38", "start_time": "42:36", "text": "Of the available, assets, resources." }, { "end_time": "42:39", "start_time": "42:38", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "42:43", "start_time": "42:39", "text": "And I'm sure they would be having procedural ways and means to select who's very good." }, { "end_time": "42:44", "start_time": "42:43", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "42:46", "start_time": "42:44", "text": "And then taking even depending on their requirements." }, { "end_time": "42:46", "start_time": "42:46", "text": "Gotcha." }, { "end_time": "42:47", "start_time": "42:47", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "42:54", "start_time": "42:47", "text": "This is the juiciest portion of both the podcast, which I have been, like, looking forward to from the time we met you in that room." }, { "end_time": "43:06", "start_time": "42:56", "text": "I know you can't go into the details of this, but on a very surface level, just for education purposes, what is the Defense Intelligence Agency?" }, { "end_time": "43:07", "start_time": "43:06", "text": "Because you headed it." }, { "end_time": "43:09", "start_time": "43:08", "text": "What does that mean?" }, { "end_time": "43:12", "start_time": "43:09", "text": "For teenagers listening to it, what does intelligence mean?" }, { "end_time": "43:17", "start_time": "43:12", "text": "You know, when you say, oh, intelligence, agency, etcetera, like, there's a very foggy idea." }, { "end_time": "43:18", "start_time": "43:17", "text": "People think of James Bond." }, { "end_time": "43:19", "start_time": "43:18", "text": "People think of spies." }, { "end_time": "43:21", "start_time": "43:19", "text": "People think of Raw." }, { "end_time": "43:22", "start_time": "43:21", "text": "How is this different from Raw?" }, { "end_time": "43:23", "start_time": "43:22", "text": "Does it work with Raw?" }, { "end_time": "43:24", "start_time": "43:23", "text": "What's happening?" }, { "end_time": "43:26", "start_time": "43:25", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "43:31", "start_time": "43:27", "text": "Defense intelligence agency is an agency of the defense which collects intelligence." }, { "end_time": "43:33", "start_time": "43:32", "text": "What is intelligence?" }, { "end_time": "43:41", "start_time": "43:34", "text": "So intelligence is synthesizing of collaboration of information, which is available from various domains." }, { "end_time": "43:42", "start_time": "43:42", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "43:46", "start_time": "43:43", "text": "You have information coming from 10 sources." }, { "end_time": "43:48", "start_time": "43:47", "text": "You sift it together." }, { "end_time": "43:50", "start_time": "43:48", "text": "You synthesize it." }, { "end_time": "43:51", "start_time": "43:50", "text": "You filter it." }, { "end_time": "43:52", "start_time": "43:51", "text": "Then there's some words." }, { "end_time": "43:57", "start_time": "43:52", "text": "You task an agency, which is probably better in equation intelligence." }, { "end_time": "43:58", "start_time": "43:57", "text": "You fill up that word." }, { "end_time": "44:01", "start_time": "43:58", "text": "You make the int picture, but then there is a picture." }, { "end_time": "44:09", "start_time": "44:01", "text": "Once it is confirmed intelligence picture, then the information which had been gathered is called intelligence." }, { "end_time": "44:13", "start_time": "44:10", "text": "Once it has got some intelligence, wait in it." }, { "end_time": "44:13", "start_time": "44:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "44:15", "start_time": "44:13", "text": "Now intelligence is of 2 types." }, { "end_time": "44:22", "start_time": "44:15", "text": "1 is red hot intelligence as the civilian would understand that information on which are intelligent which you have to act immediately." }, { "end_time": "44:24", "start_time": "44:22", "text": "Otherwise, it will go bad." }, { "end_time": "44:28", "start_time": "44:25", "text": "Instead, the 4 terrorists are sitting in that hut hut now." }, { "end_time": "44:32", "start_time": "44:28", "text": "If you don't act in next 30 minutes, they will move out." }, { "end_time": "44:35", "start_time": "44:32", "text": "Then this intelligence is of no use." }, { "end_time": "44:40", "start_time": "44:35", "text": "So such like intelligence is even if there's a little bit of wide, then you launch." }, { "end_time": "44:44", "start_time": "44:40", "text": "And on ground, you go and confirm by various means." }, { "end_time": "44:46", "start_time": "44:44", "text": "2nd is a background intelligence." }, { "end_time": "44:48", "start_time": "44:46", "text": "You collected this intelligence and all." }, { "end_time": "44:53", "start_time": "44:48", "text": "You realize like, you would have seen in a lot of movies where the sleeper cells have been identified." }, { "end_time": "44:56", "start_time": "44:53", "text": "You mean terrorist But they are not acted against." }, { "end_time": "44:59", "start_time": "44:57", "text": "The agencies wait for the opportune moment." }, { "end_time": "45:10", "start_time": "44:59", "text": "Probably, when all the, you know, components are together or probably when the big fish which has come in or probably when they're just about to launch some very sensational, attack." }, { "end_time": "45:12", "start_time": "45:11", "text": "So they will hit at that time." }, { "end_time": "45:13", "start_time": "45:12", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "45:14", "start_time": "45:13", "text": "So that is called background intelligence." }, { "end_time": "45:16", "start_time": "45:14", "text": "So there are different types of it." }, { "end_time": "45:22", "start_time": "45:16", "text": "And, the question about, functioning with other agencies like I told you, all intelligence agencies in the country." }, { "end_time": "45:28", "start_time": "45:23", "text": "They've worked in a very cohesive manner, and they meet practically every day." }, { "end_time": "45:37", "start_time": "45:28", "text": "Every day, there's a physical meeting and electronic, flow of information is real time between all these agencies." }, { "end_time": "45:38", "start_time": "45:37", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "45:44", "start_time": "45:38", "text": "This is to make the youth aware that things are happening in the right way." }, { "end_time": "45:49", "start_time": "45:44", "text": "On the previous podcast, you said that the Indian military is always engaged in some form of operation." }, { "end_time": "45:57", "start_time": "45:49", "text": "Now I am assuming that before you strategize for the operation, the step involved is gathering of intelligence." }, { "end_time": "46:00", "start_time": "45:57", "text": "That's where the Defense Intelligence Agency really comes into play." }, { "end_time": "46:10", "start_time": "46:00", "text": "For military based operations, you're gathering all the information for the boys to actually go out and perform the operation efficiently without a loss of life." }, { "end_time": "46:11", "start_time": "46:10", "text": "Am I correct in saying this?" }, { "end_time": "46:23", "start_time": "46:11", "text": "See, what I said in the previous, Hindi podcast was, any military which is not in continuous operations or which stays away from operations for a very long time, they get a little jarred." }, { "end_time": "46:27", "start_time": "46:23", "text": "So when the day of the operation, they may not be up to it." }, { "end_time": "46:28", "start_time": "46:27", "text": "So it's always good." }, { "end_time": "46:34", "start_time": "46:28", "text": "And Indian Army, that way is better because we are always in some sort of a operational area after every peace tenure." }, { "end_time": "46:40", "start_time": "46:34", "text": "Now coming to the point about how the operation and how the intelligence if you have to buy a TV, what do you do?" }, { "end_time": "46:41", "start_time": "46:40", "text": "Research." }, { "end_time": "46:42", "start_time": "46:41", "text": "You search the net." }, { "end_time": "46:45", "start_time": "46:42", "text": "You ask a friend who had bought a particular thing." }, { "end_time": "46:46", "start_time": "46:45", "text": "How is this TV working?" }, { "end_time": "46:47", "start_time": "46:46", "text": "You'll say it's good." }, { "end_time": "46:48", "start_time": "46:47", "text": "You ask other friend." }, { "end_time": "46:49", "start_time": "46:48", "text": "He said, oh, mine is better." }, { "end_time": "46:51", "start_time": "46:49", "text": "Now this is intelligence gathering." }, { "end_time": "46:58", "start_time": "46:52", "text": "Once all this intelligence or the information has come to you, then you start working out which is the best option." }, { "end_time": "46:59", "start_time": "46:59", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "47:01", "start_time": "46:59", "text": "But then you realize you don't have that type of money." }, { "end_time": "47:03", "start_time": "47:02", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "47:04", "start_time": "47:03", "text": "Then you go for the second best." }, { "end_time": "47:05", "start_time": "47:05", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "47:12", "start_time": "47:05", "text": "Similarly, when you're gathering information intelligence, you come to the best possible way of carrying out operations." }, { "end_time": "47:15", "start_time": "47:12", "text": "But then you realize for this, I need these resources." }, { "end_time": "47:17", "start_time": "47:16", "text": "If they're there, go for it." }, { "end_time": "47:24", "start_time": "47:17", "text": "If those resources are not there and you can't wait for them to build up, then you probably do." }, { "end_time": "47:28", "start_time": "47:24", "text": "And there comes in the leadership." }, { "end_time": "47:31", "start_time": "47:29", "text": "There comes in the planning." }, { "end_time": "47:32", "start_time": "47:32", "text": "Creativity?" }, { "end_time": "47:40", "start_time": "47:33", "text": "We we call it, you know, in the military term, we call it how the leaders plan." }, { "end_time": "47:41", "start_time": "47:41", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "47:48", "start_time": "47:41", "text": "And a good leadership can make a difference between the defeat and victory." }, { "end_time": "47:49", "start_time": "47:49", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "47:55", "start_time": "47:49", "text": "Because same resources when employed in a particular manner may give a x dividend." }, { "end_time": "48:05", "start_time": "47:56", "text": "But the same resources when their orchestration is done differently can give you x plus, dividends." }, { "end_time": "48:11", "start_time": "48:06", "text": "So all these things and then impression logistic, I said, they're very important component of any impression planning." }, { "end_time": "48:13", "start_time": "48:12", "text": "I'm asking this very respectfully." }, { "end_time": "48:20", "start_time": "48:16", "text": "Again, because this is a question that we've brought up on the podcast a couple of years ago." }, { "end_time": "48:25", "start_time": "48:20", "text": "I think they'd asked the GD about this and that time there wasn't enough information about it." }, { "end_time": "48:33", "start_time": "48:25", "text": "But whatever had happened with Bipin Rawat, sir, has has the military now understood?" }, { "end_time": "48:35", "start_time": "48:34", "text": "It's just a yes or no question." }, { "end_time": "48:39", "start_time": "48:36", "text": "Because See, it is, accidents happen." }, { "end_time": "48:43", "start_time": "48:40", "text": "The court of inquiry has been conducted in this incident also." }, { "end_time": "48:49", "start_time": "48:43", "text": "And any other, accidents of helicopters or clouds which happen, a court of inquiry is a must." }, { "end_time": "48:52", "start_time": "48:49", "text": "And once a court of inquiry is conducted, what are the outcome?" }, { "end_time": "48:55", "start_time": "48:53", "text": "Whatever the reasons for it." }, { "end_time": "48:57", "start_time": "48:55", "text": "And then they are improved upon." }, { "end_time": "48:58", "start_time": "48:57", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "49:04", "start_time": "48:58", "text": "Whether it's a technical, issue or whether it's a judgmental issue or whatever it is whether issue or not." }, { "end_time": "49:11", "start_time": "49:04", "text": "So in all accidents which happen in the army, even if there's a small accident, I just got a scrape on my finger." }, { "end_time": "49:15", "start_time": "49:11", "text": "There is a court of inquiry so that it does not get repeated." }, { "end_time": "49:21", "start_time": "49:16", "text": "So in this case also, I'm sure the court of inquiry was held and it is, in place." }, { "end_time": "49:22", "start_time": "49:21", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "49:23", "start_time": "49:22", "text": "You had worked with him?" }, { "end_time": "49:24", "start_time": "49:23", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "49:29", "start_time": "49:24", "text": "I was, deputy chief of defense staff, integrated defense staff and looking after intelligence." }, { "end_time": "49:32", "start_time": "49:29", "text": "And, of course, I was the corps commander when he was the chief." }, { "end_time": "49:36", "start_time": "49:33", "text": "I was the BGS in the corps headquarter when he was the GOC." }, { "end_time": "49:38", "start_time": "49:36", "text": "I was the brigade commander." }, { "end_time": "49:41", "start_time": "49:39", "text": "His name is brigade commander when he was the GOC in Baramulla." }, { "end_time": "49:43", "start_time": "49:42", "text": "I was the name is brigade commander in." }, { "end_time": "49:45", "start_time": "49:43", "text": "I worked very closely with him." }, { "end_time": "49:46", "start_time": "49:45", "text": "That was brotherhood." }, { "end_time": "49:48", "start_time": "49:46", "text": "He was a solid commander." }, { "end_time": "49:53", "start_time": "49:50", "text": "Lot of combat experience, very sharp." }, { "end_time": "50:00", "start_time": "49:54", "text": "He'll pick up a team like this, give a decision like this, and he will stand by his subordinates." }, { "end_time": "50:08", "start_time": "50:01", "text": "He had a great vision for future and the perfect commander which you can look for." }, { "end_time": "50:10", "start_time": "50:08", "text": "A military man to the hilt." }, { "end_time": "50:12", "start_time": "50:11", "text": "Why perfect commander?" }, { "end_time": "50:17", "start_time": "50:13", "text": "What I'm saying is he was the man who could gorge your work." }, { "end_time": "50:20", "start_time": "50:17", "text": "He would give you a job and let you do the job." }, { "end_time": "50:24", "start_time": "50:20", "text": "And he's not the one who will keep interfering with you every now and then." }, { "end_time": "50:25", "start_time": "50:24", "text": "He will guide you." }, { "end_time": "50:26", "start_time": "50:25", "text": "He will enable you." }, { "end_time": "50:28", "start_time": "50:26", "text": "He will give you additional sources." }, { "end_time": "50:31", "start_time": "50:29", "text": "He was very good visionary." }, { "end_time": "50:31", "start_time": "50:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "50:34", "start_time": "50:31", "text": "What is his legacy for the Indian military?" }, { "end_time": "50:41", "start_time": "50:35", "text": "All great commanders, all great leaders, leave a legacy where people get, you know, influenced by them, motivated by them." }, { "end_time": "50:45", "start_time": "50:42", "text": "And, there are lot of people who are motivated by his way of functioning." }, { "end_time": "50:48", "start_time": "50:45", "text": "Those who served with him, myself included." }, { "end_time": "50:49", "start_time": "50:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "50:56", "start_time": "50:49", "text": "The way he worked in Kashmir, the way he worked in various combat areas in northeast and other places, and as a chief and serious." }, { "end_time": "50:57", "start_time": "50:57", "text": "Great man." }, { "end_time": "50:58", "start_time": "50:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "51:02", "start_time": "50:58", "text": "Again, it's an honor that I'm getting to talk to such a high ranking military officer." }, { "end_time": "51:03", "start_time": "51:02", "text": "Just sliding that in." }, { "end_time": "51:05", "start_time": "51:03", "text": "That's what I've been feeling throughout these 2." }, { "end_time": "51:09", "start_time": "51:05", "text": "So every question I'm asking you while it's direct, I mean it with a lot of respect." }, { "end_time": "51:11", "start_time": "51:09", "text": "I don't mean to cross any line with you." }, { "end_time": "51:25", "start_time": "51:11", "text": "At the cost of making this a little dark, there's someone who's seen a lot of death and death very up close, and I'm sure your, appreciation for life increases a lot, you know, especially at the end of your military tenure or so." }, { "end_time": "51:30", "start_time": "51:26", "text": "The I've been in combat situation since captain days." }, { "end_time": "51:33", "start_time": "51:30", "text": "Captain, major, lieutenant colonel, CEO, brigade commander." }, { "end_time": "51:39", "start_time": "51:33", "text": "The first death which unfortunate incident which happened under my command was when I was a brigadier." }, { "end_time": "51:41", "start_time": "51:39", "text": "I still remember last night." }, { "end_time": "51:53", "start_time": "51:42", "text": "I written about great detail about this incident also because that is the first death under my command where a soldier lost his life in the line of duty after 4, 5, 10 years." }, { "end_time": "52:05", "start_time": "51:54", "text": "The most difficult part of any commander's duty is to lay the wreath on the mortal remains, which as a corps commander, I had to perform the duty for on few occasions, including Pulwama." }, { "end_time": "52:10", "start_time": "52:06", "text": "After Pulwama, that incident, when we killed them in 100 hours, we lost people." }, { "end_time": "52:12", "start_time": "52:10", "text": "We lost many of them there and, soldiers." }, { "end_time": "52:23", "start_time": "52:13", "text": "So the most difficult job of a commander in his lifetime is to lay the on the mortal remains before they are sent to their next token to their homes." }, { "end_time": "52:32", "start_time": "52:24", "text": "So it's a it's a way what do I say?" }, { "end_time": "52:34", "start_time": "52:32", "text": "It's a job you have to do." }, { "end_time": "52:38", "start_time": "52:35", "text": "It's the job which you can't say I don't like." }, { "end_time": "52:41", "start_time": "52:38", "text": "It's the job where you got to minimize your casualties." }, { "end_time": "52:47", "start_time": "52:43", "text": "And nation wants you to do that job and you have to do it." }, { "end_time": "52:49", "start_time": "52:47", "text": "There's no turning back." }, { "end_time": "52:53", "start_time": "52:49", "text": "But it is a difficult moment when you lose a man." }, { "end_time": "53:05", "start_time": "52:54", "text": "And I have invariably been in the hospital whenever the casualty comes to the hospital So that, you know, last minute, somebody should not falter for some small little thing." }, { "end_time": "53:07", "start_time": "53:05", "text": "I will give a decision then and there." }, { "end_time": "53:08", "start_time": "53:07", "text": "Let go." }, { "end_time": "53:10", "start_time": "53:08", "text": "Money is not a criteria at all." }, { "end_time": "53:13", "start_time": "53:11", "text": "Nothing stops if you can save a man." }, { "end_time": "53:18", "start_time": "53:13", "text": "The doctors in 92 best hospitals in Kashmir, Srinagar are the best you can have." }, { "end_time": "53:22", "start_time": "53:19", "text": "I've seen them reviving almost dying patients." }, { "end_time": "53:28", "start_time": "53:23", "text": "So every evening, you come back with that feeling that I saved someone." }, { "end_time": "53:29", "start_time": "53:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "53:34", "start_time": "53:29", "text": "And as a commander, my biggest responsibility is towards my command, towards the man I command." }, { "end_time": "53:36", "start_time": "53:35", "text": "Tiny, sir." }, { "end_time": "53:37", "start_time": "53:36", "text": "My god." }, { "end_time": "53:40", "start_time": "53:39", "text": "Heavy talking to you." }, { "end_time": "53:46", "start_time": "53:41", "text": "Be it all the information or just perspectives, Want to learn from you more in life." }, { "end_time": "53:53", "start_time": "53:46", "text": "And, before I let you go, at the end of today's episode, I have to ask you a little bit about your book, which I'm very keen on reading." }, { "end_time": "53:57", "start_time": "53:53", "text": "I feel there's there's a lot of heavy stuff in there." }, { "end_time": "54:00", "start_time": "53:57", "text": "What would you like to say about your book to the viewers?" }, { "end_time": "54:12", "start_time": "54:01", "text": "So this book is a life story from the day I was 3 years old till abrogation of article 370 and time after that." }, { "end_time": "54:16", "start_time": "54:13", "text": "So it's a journey of that small 3 year old child." }, { "end_time": "54:20", "start_time": "54:16", "text": "His struggles, which actually started at 3 years of age." }, { "end_time": "54:22", "start_time": "54:21", "text": "How he faced the challenges?" }, { "end_time": "54:23", "start_time": "54:23", "text": "How he failed?" }, { "end_time": "54:26", "start_time": "54:24", "text": "How he fell down?" }, { "end_time": "54:27", "start_time": "54:26", "text": "How he got up?" }, { "end_time": "54:31", "start_time": "54:28", "text": "You know, cleaned himself and ran again, how he failed again." }, { "end_time": "54:36", "start_time": "54:32", "text": "The lesson here is 1 failure or 2 failures don't make you a failure." }, { "end_time": "54:40", "start_time": "54:38", "text": "That gives you energy to win again." }, { "end_time": "54:44", "start_time": "54:41", "text": "And from there, it's about marriage." }, { "end_time": "54:47", "start_time": "54:44", "text": "It's about unit life, NDA, IMA training." }, { "end_time": "54:48", "start_time": "54:47", "text": "Lot of anecdotes." }, { "end_time": "54:56", "start_time": "54:49", "text": "The marriage life, early marriage, children birth, challenges, the wife spot, the children spot, then Kashmir." }, { "end_time": "54:58", "start_time": "54:56", "text": "70% book is on Kashmir." }, { "end_time": "54:58", "start_time": "54:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "55:03", "start_time": "54:58", "text": "Starting with 1988, Russia rifles, sir of army survival." }, { "end_time": "55:06", "start_time": "55:04", "text": "You said army marches on your stomach." }, { "end_time": "55:08", "start_time": "55:06", "text": "They full chapter on survival skills." }, { "end_time": "55:10", "start_time": "55:08", "text": "How army survives when there are no Russians." }, { "end_time": "55:12", "start_time": "55:11", "text": "What are the things we do?" }, { "end_time": "55:19", "start_time": "55:13", "text": "So if anybody wanting to join the army, boy or girl, it's a first time guide." }, { "end_time": "55:24", "start_time": "55:19", "text": "If anyone wants to marry an army boy or army girl, it's again a first time guide." }, { "end_time": "55:32", "start_time": "55:24", "text": "And it's what challenges from a young 3 year old boy to a young lieutenant to a left in general." }, { "end_time": "55:34", "start_time": "55:33", "text": "The levels of challenges differ." }, { "end_time": "55:35", "start_time": "55:35", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "55:43", "start_time": "55:36", "text": "Challenges remain and how you can work them into opportunities is what is the crux of this book." }, { "end_time": "55:49", "start_time": "55:44", "text": "Aim being only to tell the youngsters what they're coming into." }, { "end_time": "55:50", "start_time": "55:49", "text": "The, you know, army aspirants." }, { "end_time": "55:55", "start_time": "55:50", "text": "And the name of the book is cover is just released." }, { "end_time": "55:57", "start_time": "55:56", "text": "I'm sure, I'll send it to you." }, { "end_time": "55:58", "start_time": "55:57", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "56:00", "start_time": "55:58", "text": "We put it right here in this part of the podcast." }, { "end_time": "56:01", "start_time": "56:00", "text": "Yes, sir." }, { "end_time": "56:04", "start_time": "56:01", "text": "I think you know how grateful I am by this point in the show." }, { "end_time": "56:06", "start_time": "56:04", "text": "Once again, sir, I salute you." }, { "end_time": "56:10", "start_time": "56:06", "text": "Thank you for your service, and thank you for giving us 2 incredible episodes." }, { "end_time": "56:13", "start_time": "56:10", "text": "I highly recommend listeners go check out our Hindi episode as well, sir." }, { "end_time": "56:17", "start_time": "56:13", "text": "And, hoping to see you again on the Ranveer show." }, { "end_time": "56:17", "start_time": "56:17", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "56:18", "start_time": "56:17", "text": "Thank you, sir." }, { "end_time": "56:18", "start_time": "56:18", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "56:21", "start_time": "56:20", "text": "That was the episode for today." }, { "end_time": "56:23", "start_time": "56:21", "text": "If you enjoyed it, make sure you hit that like button." }, { "end_time": "56:27", "start_time": "56:23", "text": "Share this episode with as many Indians as is possible." }, { "end_time": "56:35", "start_time": "56:27", "text": "We roam around in cities where people often refuse to even talk about geopolitics, they refuse to talk about aspects related to the armed forces." }, { "end_time": "56:45", "start_time": "56:35", "text": "People like to turn a blind eye to these conversations and I'm hoping that the podcast begins a change in our country, especially considering the times that we're living in." }, { "end_time": "56:48", "start_time": "56:45", "text": "More podcasts like this, make sure you follow us on Spotify." }, { "end_time": "56:52", "start_time": "56:48", "text": "Every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world." }, { "end_time": "56:57", "start_time": "56:52", "text": "Please send in your guest recommendations from a geopolitics perspective." }, { "end_time": "57:00", "start_time": "56:57", "text": "Who else would you like to see featured on TRS?" }, { "end_time": "57:00", "start_time": "57:00", "text": "Let us know." }, { "end_time": "57:05", "start_time": "57:00", "text": "Comment down below and share this podcast as far and as wide as is possible." }, { "end_time": "57:07", "start_time": "57:06", "text": "Lots of love to you guys." }, { "end_time": "57:08", "start_time": "57:07", "text": "Thanks for your support." }, { "end_time": "57:09", "start_time": "57:08", "text": "Jai Hind." } ] }

[ { "content": "**Task Description:** \nYou are provided with a YouTube video transcript in JSON format, where each entry is synchronized with its respective timestamp. This transcript contains the spoken text along with its start and end times. Your objective is to generate high-quality, chapter-wise segments that accurately represent key points or transitions within the video.\n\n**Transcript JSON Format:** \nThe transcript is formatted as a list of dictionaries, where each dictionary represents a spoken sentence, including its text and corresponding start and end times.\n\n**Example Transcript:** \n```json\n[\n {\n \"text\": \"The narrative in the public eye is that you left working with the Modi government because your opinions weren't heard.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:07\"\n },\n {\n \"text\": \"I want to know your side of the story.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:08\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:10\"\n },\n ...\n]\n```\n\n**Your Task:** \nUsing the given transcript, generate a JSON output that breaks down the video into meaningful chapters. Each chapter should encapsulate a key segment of the video and be accompanied by a concise, informative title that reflects the essence of that segment.\n\n**Chapter JSON Format:** \nThe output should follow this structure:\n```json\n{\n \"chapters\": [\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"title\": \"Introduction and Opening Remarks\"\n },\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:07\",\n \"title\": \"Discussing the Exit from Modi Government\"\n },\n ...\n ]\n}\n```\n\n**Requirements:** \n1. **Identify Key Segments:** Extract significant portions of the transcript that represent shifts in topic, important discussions, or transitions in conversation.\n2. **Craft Informative Titles:** Each chapter title should be clear, engaging, and directly related to the content covered in that segment.\n3. **Preserve Time Stamps:** Ensure that each chapter's `start_time` corresponds to the first instance of a key topic or segment in the transcript.\n4. **Conciseness is Key:** While titles should be descriptive, avoid making them overly lengthy. Aim for a balance between informativeness and brevity.", "role": "system" }, { "content": "{'transcripts': array([{'end_time': '0:08', 'start_time': '0:00', 'text': 'There used to be 1 retired colonel with handlebar mustache, 12 war gun in his hand, and trying to protect his daughter from everyone around.'},\n {'end_time': '0:12', 'start_time': '0:09', 'text': 'And he would be carrying that gun even inside his house.'},\n {'end_time': '0:13', 'start_time': '0:12', 'text': 'Now that image has to change.'},\n {'end_time': '0:15', 'start_time': '0:14', 'text': 'Soldiering is a serious business.'},\n {'end_time': '0:20', 'start_time': '0:17', 'text': 'The storytelling about soldier has to be done very, very seriously.'},\n {'end_time': '0:28', 'start_time': '0:20', 'text': \"We can't say that I'm making a movie, but then commercial compulsion wants there should be a dance sequence in there, there should be a song sequence in this.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:30', 'start_time': '0:28', 'text': 'How can you have a dance and song on the border?'},\n {'end_time': '0:34', 'start_time': '0:31', 'text': 'My wife has heard my death news twice.'},\n {'end_time': '0:35', 'start_time': '0:34', 'text': 'Really?'},\n {'end_time': '0:38', 'start_time': '0:35', 'text': 'Once when she was, I think, 8 months pregnant.'},\n {'end_time': '0:40', 'start_time': '0:38', 'text': 'They declared you dead?'},\n {'end_time': '0:40', 'start_time': '0:40', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '0:41', 'start_time': '0:40', 'text': 'That she saw on the TV.'},\n {'end_time': '0:48', 'start_time': '0:41', 'text': \"She did not want the other Joans or the officers' wives to see tomorrow morning, her in a shattered condition.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:52', 'start_time': '0:48', 'text': \"She held herself together and showed as if it's okay.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:55', 'start_time': '0:52', 'text': 'You can imagine the strengths our families have.'},\n {'end_time': '1:05', 'start_time': '0:55', 'text': \"That is how their sacrifice, their contribution in the soldiers' life must be acknowledged, appreciated, and honored.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:10', 'start_time': '1:06', 'text': 'I think they are the most powerful women on this planet.'},\n {'end_time': '1:25', 'start_time': '1:10', 'text': \"So we've done a bunch of military podcasts where we spoke about combat, operations, military life, the special forces, but we've never spoken to someone who holds this kind of a rank in the military, who's served in this manner in the military.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:32', 'start_time': '1:26', 'text': 'Tiny Dhillon so or KGS Dhillon served as the head of the Defence Intelligence Agency.'},\n {'end_time': '1:34', 'start_time': '1:33', 'text': 'What does that even mean?'},\n {'end_time': '1:37', 'start_time': '1:34', 'text': \"I'll let him explain it over the course of this particular podcast.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:39', 'start_time': '1:37', 'text': 'We covered aspects of geopolitics.'},\n {'end_time': '1:41', 'start_time': '1:39', 'text': 'We covered military life obviously.'},\n {'end_time': '1:45', 'start_time': '1:41', 'text': 'But moreover, we covered a macro view of the military.'},\n {'end_time': '1:55', 'start_time': '1:45', 'text': 'What it takes to actually operate the military as a whole and we also spoke about how the Indian military, the Indian Armed Forces is perceiving the present times.'},\n {'end_time': '1:59', 'start_time': '1:55', 'text': 'I highly recommend that you also check out the Hindi episode we did with Tiny Sir.'},\n {'end_time': '2:00', 'start_time': '2:00', 'text': \"It's incredible.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:06', 'start_time': '2:01', 'text': \"If you understand Hindi, you'll be unlocking another portal of knowledge with that particular episode.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:11', 'start_time': '2:06', 'text': 'But if you want to unlock portals of knowledge anyway, make sure you follow us on Spotify.'},\n {'end_time': '2:12', 'start_time': '2:11', 'text': \"We're a Spotify exclusive.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:17', 'start_time': '2:13', 'text': \"Every episode is available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:22', 'start_time': '2:18', 'text': 'AJS Dillonsal on the Runby Show, spreading knowledge, spreading perspectives.'},\n {'end_time': '2:26', 'start_time': '2:22', 'text': \"It's another powerful Indian Armed Forces episode.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:48', 'start_time': '2:46', 'text': 'Lieutenant General KJS Dhillon, sir.'},\n {'end_time': '2:50', 'start_time': '2:48', 'text': 'We did an incredible Hindi episode.'},\n {'end_time': '2:52', 'start_time': '2:51', 'text': 'Welcome to TRS English.'},\n {'end_time': '2:53', 'start_time': '2:53', 'text': 'Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '2:54', 'start_time': '2:53', 'text': 'How are you, sir?'},\n {'end_time': '2:55', 'start_time': '2:54', 'text': 'Oh, always great.'},\n {'end_time': '2:55', 'start_time': '2:55', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '2:56', 'start_time': '2:55', 'text': 'You had a good time on Hindi?'},\n {'end_time': '2:57', 'start_time': '2:56', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '2:57', 'start_time': '2:57', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '2:57', 'start_time': '2:57', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '2:58', 'start_time': '2:58', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '3:02', 'start_time': '2:59', 'text': \"So, I'm thinking we make this a quick and snappy episode.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:04', 'start_time': '3:02', 'text': \"It's primarily self education here.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:08', 'start_time': '3:05', 'text': \"You know, I've had lots of military veterans on the show.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:14', 'start_time': '3:08', 'text': 'You were one of our most highly requested military veterans because of your Twitter presence, because of your entire military tenure.'},\n {'end_time': '3:16', 'start_time': '3:14', 'text': \"There's a lot of curiosity about you.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:25', 'start_time': '3:16', 'text': 'And I highly recommend that audiences, especially if you all understand Hindi, go check out our Hindi podcast for some incredible, prequel insights.'},\n {'end_time': '3:29', 'start_time': '3:26', 'text': \"But this one's kind of a more present times episode.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:31', 'start_time': '3:29', 'text': 'So So did you have fun on the Hindi one?'},\n {'end_time': '3:31', 'start_time': '3:31', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '3:32', 'start_time': '3:31', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '3:33', 'start_time': '3:32', 'text': 'Enjoyed it.'},\n {'end_time': '3:34', 'start_time': '3:33', 'text': 'Tiny, sir.'},\n {'end_time': '3:35', 'start_time': '3:34', 'text': 'Why do they call you tiny, sir?'},\n {'end_time': '3:38', 'start_time': '3:35', 'text': \"You're easily 6 2, 6 3 at least?\"},\n {'end_time': '3:38', 'start_time': '3:38', 'text': '63.'},\n {'end_time': '3:39', 'start_time': '3:38', 'text': \"You're 63.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:41', 'start_time': '3:39', 'text': \"And you're an imposing figure.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:45', 'start_time': '3:41', 'text': \"Like, I can tell that, you know, this is there weight training that's gone into this?\"},\n {'end_time': '3:46', 'start_time': '3:45', 'text': 'Lot of it.'},\n {'end_time': '3:50', 'start_time': '3:47', 'text': 'Like, your bone structure, everything is, like, you know, really strong.'},\n {'end_time': '3:52', 'start_time': '3:50', 'text': \"I wouldn't wanna face you in combat.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:54', 'start_time': '3:53', 'text': 'But We are friends.'},\n {'end_time': '3:58', 'start_time': '3:56', 'text': 'But I have to actually ask you this, sir.'},\n {'end_time': '4:04', 'start_time': '3:58', 'text': \"With your kind of frame, when you're 6 3, you're weight training, so you're a white guy and you've got Punjabi genetics.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:08', 'start_time': '4:04', 'text': 'So, is that an advantage in combat or is it a disadvantage?'},\n {'end_time': '4:14', 'start_time': '4:08', 'text': \"Because I'm assuming if you're a smaller guy, maybe you're able to maneuver more easily, but correct me if I'm wrong.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:19', 'start_time': '4:14', 'text': 'See, gone on the days of physical combat.'},\n {'end_time': '4:26', 'start_time': '4:20', 'text': 'The trench warfare of 1st world war, 2nd world war where you are physically assaulting an enemy.'},\n {'end_time': '4:31', 'start_time': '4:27', 'text': 'The Bennett fixed and at times, you get into a close quarter combat.'},\n {'end_time': '4:47', 'start_time': '4:32', 'text': \"These days, it happens very rarely in a conflict situation or a combat situation with counter terrorist during counter terrorist operation where the terrorist is running out and you weapon has dropped or somewhere you got hold of him and you don't want the collateral damage.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:52', 'start_time': '4:47', 'text': 'So in that type of a situation, maybe there is a, you know, collapse quarter battle.'},\n {'end_time': '4:54', 'start_time': '4:52', 'text': 'Otherwise, there are officers.'},\n {'end_time': '4:55', 'start_time': '4:54', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '4:58', 'start_time': '4:55', 'text': \"The your height, your weight, and other things, they don't matter.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:59', 'start_time': '4:58', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '5:00', 'start_time': '4:59', 'text': 'What matters?'},\n {'end_time': '5:15', 'start_time': '5:00', 'text': 'It is a your thinking faculties, your leadership qualities, how you can assess the situation, how you can plan your next move, and how you can lead a man with valor, courage, and, bravery.'},\n {'end_time': '5:16', 'start_time': '5:15', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '5:17', 'start_time': '5:16', 'text': 'That is what matters.'},\n {'end_time': '5:20', 'start_time': '5:17', 'text': 'And in that, the physical appearance has got no place.'},\n {'end_time': '5:20', 'start_time': '5:20', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '5:30', 'start_time': '5:22', 'text': \"Back when you were very actively a combat soldier, I'm assuming that at a certain age, maybe the army doesn't allow you in combat.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:36', 'start_time': '5:30', 'text': 'It probably works just like a sport because physical faculties start withering off at a certain age.'},\n {'end_time': '5:43', 'start_time': '5:37', 'text': 'But back when you were, like, actively involved in combat, were there any hand to hand combat situations that you had to go through?'},\n {'end_time': '5:44', 'start_time': '5:43', 'text': 'Not, individually.'},\n {'end_time': '5:45', 'start_time': '5:45', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '5:57', 'start_time': '5:45', 'text': 'Not individually, but there were instances, especially in the built up areas during counter terrorist or counter insurgent or patients, where an insurgent or terrorist was trying to escape the cordon.'},\n {'end_time': '6:07', 'start_time': '5:58', 'text': \"And the boy had caught him, but he didn't want to fire because the fire at that situation can go into a neighboring house and, you know, injure a innocent civilian.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:13', 'start_time': '6:07', 'text': 'So at that time, the minimum use of force is the norm in such situations.'},\n {'end_time': '6:15', 'start_time': '6:13', 'text': 'Very direct question again.'},\n {'end_time': '6:21', 'start_time': '6:15', 'text': 'I always feel bringing up the topic of movies about the military with actual military vets.'},\n {'end_time': '6:23', 'start_time': '6:23', 'text': 'Which side are you on?'},\n {'end_time': '6:27', 'start_time': '6:23', 'text': \"Are you okay with military movies or do you think that it's not a correct this depiction?\"},\n {'end_time': '6:29', 'start_time': '6:27', 'text': \"Which I'm sure it's not in many ways.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:34', 'start_time': '6:29', 'text': \"But does that anger you or like, like, I mean, just generally, what's your opinion on military movements?\"},\n {'end_time': '6:43', 'start_time': '6:34', 'text': 'Communication, expressing yourself, showcasing what you are doing, keeping the security as confidential as in mind.'},\n {'end_time': '6:44', 'start_time': '6:43', 'text': \"I'm all for it.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:50', 'start_time': '6:45', 'text': 'Our operation, especially in counter terrorism, counterinsurgency areas are so transparent.'},\n {'end_time': '6:53', 'start_time': '6:52', 'text': 'We need to tell our stories.'},\n {'end_time': '6:54', 'start_time': '6:54', 'text': 'Why?'},\n {'end_time': '7:00', 'start_time': '6:54', 'text': 'We need to tell the public, national and international, this is how we conduct our operation.'},\n {'end_time': '7:10', 'start_time': '7:00', 'text': 'So there is a very false narratives being made by the the enemies of the state or people who are not friendly to India.'},\n {'end_time': '7:13', 'start_time': '7:11', 'text': 'We need to counter that narrative with actuals.'},\n {'end_time': '7:14', 'start_time': '7:13', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '7:15', 'start_time': '7:14', 'text': 'Truth prevails.'},\n {'end_time': '7:17', 'start_time': '7:16', 'text': 'Transparency prevails.'},\n {'end_time': '7:24', 'start_time': '7:18', 'text': 'Non narrative building will have any ground to stand on if other party is telling the truth and transparent.'},\n {'end_time': '7:29', 'start_time': '7:25', 'text': 'So how are those, enemies building the narratives through social media?'},\n {'end_time': '7:32', 'start_time': '7:29', 'text': \"There's a there's a whole lot of machinery into it.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:32', 'start_time': '7:32', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '7:34', 'start_time': '7:32', 'text': 'Social media is one part of it.'},\n {'end_time': '7:42', 'start_time': '7:34', 'text': 'Diplomatic efforts are there, political efforts are there, and all other types of engineering of mind of various, people.'},\n {'end_time': '7:52', 'start_time': '7:42', 'text': \"So but when you tell a story, suppose I have to make a so some sort of a serial on Indian Army's operation in Kashmir.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:54', 'start_time': '7:52', 'text': 'I must do thorough research.'},\n {'end_time': '7:59', 'start_time': '7:56', 'text': 'Starting with what type of recruitments, the uniform they wear.'},\n {'end_time': '8:05', 'start_time': '8:00', 'text': 'If a person is 20 years of age or 25 years of age, he has to be a captain maximum major.'},\n {'end_time': '8:05', 'start_time': '8:05', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '8:07', 'start_time': '8:05', 'text': \"He can't be a lieutenant.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:11', 'start_time': '8:09', 'text': 'So it has to align to the Reality.'},\n {'end_time': '8:12', 'start_time': '8:11', 'text': 'Reality.'},\n {'end_time': '8:17', 'start_time': '8:12', 'text': \"Then it becomes, unfortunately, I don't want to say it, but I have to say it.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:23', 'start_time': '8:17', 'text': 'Indian cinema, there are search work in the defense related movies.'},\n {'end_time': '8:29', 'start_time': '8:23', 'text': \"Although it has come of age, lot has changed, but there's still lot to be desired.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:30', 'start_time': '8:29', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '8:32', 'start_time': '8:30', 'text': 'And I hear this as a general narrative from the Indian military.'},\n {'end_time': '8:33', 'start_time': '8:33', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '8:36', 'start_time': '8:33', 'text': \"Because it's not that, I'm from the army.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:42', 'start_time': '8:36', 'text': 'If you are say, whatever you do, if your profession is projected Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '8:50', 'start_time': '8:42', 'text': 'And they are lacunas in that image, You would feel bad and then the image being projected is not correct.'},\n {'end_time': '8:50', 'start_time': '8:50', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '8:51', 'start_time': '8:50', 'text': \"I'll give you a small example.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:04', 'start_time': '8:52', 'text': 'In seventies eighties, the Hindi movies which came, there used to be one retired colonel with handlebar mustache, 12 board gun in his hand, and trying to protect his daughter from everyone around.'},\n {'end_time': '9:08', 'start_time': '9:05', 'text': 'And he would be carrying that gun even inside his house.'},\n {'end_time': '9:09', 'start_time': '9:08', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '9:13', 'start_time': '9:09', 'text': 'I just told on, some other program this you know, that image has to change.'},\n {'end_time': '9:16', 'start_time': '9:15', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '9:17', 'start_time': '9:16', 'text': \"It's a soldiering.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:18', 'start_time': '9:17', 'text': \"It's a serious business.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:23', 'start_time': '9:19', 'text': 'The storytelling about soldier has to be done very, very seriously.'},\n {'end_time': '9:31', 'start_time': '9:24', 'text': \"We can't say that I'm making a movie, but then commercial compulsions want there should be a dance sequence in there.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:33', 'start_time': '9:31', 'text': 'There should be a song sequence in this.'},\n {'end_time': '9:36', 'start_time': '9:34', 'text': 'How can you have a dance and song on the border?'},\n {'end_time': '9:39', 'start_time': '9:36', 'text': \"What's your favorite war movie that you ever seen?\"},\n {'end_time': '9:40', 'start_time': '9:40', 'text': 'A lot of them.'},\n {'end_time': '9:41', 'start_time': '9:40', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '9:42', 'start_time': '9:41', 'text': 'A lot of them.'},\n {'end_time': '9:48', 'start_time': '9:42', 'text': \"And, at the intellectual level, there's a very little known movie in India, at least internationally.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:50', 'start_time': '9:49', 'text': 'The movie is called Breaker Morant.'},\n {'end_time': '9:51', 'start_time': '9:51', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '9:53', 'start_time': '9:51', 'text': \"It's about a Boire war in South Africa.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:54', 'start_time': '9:54', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '10:02', 'start_time': '9:54', 'text': \"And it's about a Australian officer was working with the British officer, and there's more of a, court martial movie.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:04', 'start_time': '10:03', 'text': 'Why intellectual level?'},\n {'end_time': '10:07', 'start_time': '10:04', 'text': \"Why I'm saying it's it's not that physical violence is not there.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:11', 'start_time': '10:07', 'text': \"There is a little bit of it, and it's not that, the armies of IT.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:16', 'start_time': '10:11', 'text': \"It's a very specific incident has happened, and then that officer is put through a court martial.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:25', 'start_time': '10:16', 'text': 'So 70% of the movies of court martial and pros and cons and trying to question the ethos and ethics and, you know, why the ifs and buts of it.'},\n {'end_time': '10:28', 'start_time': '10:25', 'text': \"So it's a very intense movie from that point of view.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:29', 'start_time': '10:28', 'text': 'I like that movie.'},\n {'end_time': '10:36', 'start_time': '10:29', 'text': 'And from a more action perspective, any any movie that you felt got it right in terms of real combat scenarios or real army scenarios?'},\n {'end_time': '10:37', 'start_time': '10:36', 'text': 'A lot of good movies.'},\n {'end_time': '10:45', 'start_time': '10:38', 'text': 'Where eagles there, the Saving Private Ryan and even the World War movies and all.'},\n {'end_time': '10:47', 'start_time': '10:45', 'text': 'I think more of them are very good movies.'},\n {'end_time': '10:50', 'start_time': '10:48', 'text': 'Saving Private Ryan is a very intense movie.'},\n {'end_time': '10:52', 'start_time': '10:50', 'text': \"It's a very intense movie.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:58', 'start_time': '10:52', 'text': 'And let me tell you, a lot of young boys and girls might feel soldiering is all about fighting and killing.'},\n {'end_time': '10:59', 'start_time': '10:59', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '11:02', 'start_time': '10:59', 'text': 'A soldier is a very, very human person.'},\n {'end_time': '11:11', 'start_time': '11:03', 'text': \"He's a very emotional person because children get emotional when they cannot meet the targets at the end of the quarter or a month.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:22', 'start_time': '11:12', 'text': 'For him, the targets are how many deaths he has avoided, how many soldiers or bodies he has saved, how many enemies of the nation he has eliminated.'},\n {'end_time': '11:23', 'start_time': '11:22', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '11:24', 'start_time': '11:23', 'text': 'His quantification is different.'},\n {'end_time': '11:26', 'start_time': '11:25', 'text': 'Now look at that.'},\n {'end_time': '11:30', 'start_time': '11:26', 'text': \"Some people can't see your blood, see blood in the on the TV screen.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:30', 'start_time': '11:30', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '11:32', 'start_time': '11:30', 'text': \"He's seeing it day in and day out.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:35', 'start_time': '11:33', 'text': 'His emotional strength has to be understood.'},\n {'end_time': '11:37', 'start_time': '11:36', 'text': \"He's staying away from his family.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:41', 'start_time': '11:37', 'text': \"His wife is managing the household, the children, they're bringing looking after the old parents.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:44', 'start_time': '11:41', 'text': \"They're looking after the property, all by herself in the village.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:45', 'start_time': '11:44', 'text': 'Yep.'},\n {'end_time': '11:51', 'start_time': '11:46', 'text': 'He, being aware of all these issues, still giving his 200% on the front.'},\n {'end_time': '12:00', 'start_time': '11:53', 'text': 'This man, his contribution has to be acknowledged, understood, and appreciated.'},\n {'end_time': '12:10', 'start_time': '12:02', 'text': \"You know, maybe for deeper context on what you just spoke about, I actually want to highlight Saving Private Ryan's beginning, you know, where they've shown D Day, I believe.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:13', 'start_time': '12:11', 'text': \"Do you remember that scene, the way they've shot it?\"},\n {'end_time': '12:20', 'start_time': '12:14', 'text': \"For those who don't know about D Day, basically, it was one very important event in the history of World War 2.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:30', 'start_time': '12:20', 'text': 'It was towards the end of World War 2 where American soldiers, the allied soldiers actually invaded, a French beach where they had to take on German soldiers who were on the beach.'},\n {'end_time': '12:37', 'start_time': '12:30', 'text': \"So the beginning of Saving Private Ryan is a very intense scene where they've shown what happens when you're actually in a scenario like that.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:43', 'start_time': '12:37', 'text': \"And it's one of those movies that it puts you at the edge of your seat right from the beginning, and it's difficult to watch.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:46', 'start_time': '12:43', 'text': \"The beginning is extremely difficult because of the way they've shot it.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:47', 'start_time': '12:46', 'text': 'They show guts falling out.'},\n {'end_time': '12:52', 'start_time': '12:48', 'text': 'They show people screaming, people with, like, their hands blown out.'},\n {'end_time': '12:55', 'start_time': '12:53', 'text': \"That's what I want to highlight here as well.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:06', 'start_time': '12:55', 'text': \"So when you're talking about this seeing blood day in, day out, the intensity that they've shown in the d day scene, is that more common than most civilians think?\"},\n {'end_time': '13:15', 'start_time': '13:07', 'text': 'See, 2nd world war was a very, very you can say bloody war.'},\n {'end_time': '13:23', 'start_time': '13:16', 'text': 'Lot of young boys because their conscription, the young boys as young as 15, 16, 17 were also taken to the battle front.'},\n {'end_time': '13:23', 'start_time': '13:23', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '13:26', 'start_time': '13:23', 'text': 'And the casualties because it was a contact warfare.'},\n {'end_time': '13:30', 'start_time': '13:27', 'text': 'The physical contact and there were men dying.'},\n {'end_time': '13:31', 'start_time': '13:30', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '13:32', 'start_time': '13:31', 'text': 'Their civilians dying.'},\n {'end_time': '13:38', 'start_time': '13:32', 'text': 'So the intensity of that war was different in terms of physical human losses.'},\n {'end_time': '13:39', 'start_time': '13:39', 'text': 'And injury.'},\n {'end_time': '13:43', 'start_time': '13:40', 'text': 'And injuries and the impact on the psych.'},\n {'end_time': '13:51', 'start_time': '13:44', 'text': 'Whereas what we are discussing today is, like, Indian army has fought 71 war, 65 war.'},\n {'end_time': '13:53', 'start_time': '13:51', 'text': 'We fought on Cargill.'},\n {'end_time': '13:57', 'start_time': '13:53', 'text': 'And then counter terrorist, counter here, things are different.'},\n {'end_time': '14:01', 'start_time': '13:57', 'text': 'And then, of course, little bit of picturization, the intensity was highlighted also.'},\n {'end_time': '14:15', 'start_time': '14:02', 'text': 'But for a given individual, when his body gets hit, then that hand blowing off or the intestines coming out can happen to anyone in the combat zone.'},\n {'end_time': '14:18', 'start_time': '14:16', 'text': 'Have you been close to death at any point?'},\n {'end_time': '14:23', 'start_time': '14:19', 'text': 'My wife has, heard my death news twice.'},\n {'end_time': '14:24', 'start_time': '14:23', 'text': 'Really?'},\n {'end_time': '14:28', 'start_time': '14:24', 'text': 'Once when she was, I think, 8 months pregnant.'},\n {'end_time': '14:30', 'start_time': '14:28', 'text': 'They declared you dead?'},\n {'end_time': '14:30', 'start_time': '14:30', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '14:33', 'start_time': '14:30', 'text': 'They she saw on the TV, my death news.'},\n {'end_time': '14:35', 'start_time': '14:34', 'text': 'And, not declared me death.'},\n {'end_time': '14:36', 'start_time': '14:35', 'text': 'There was some misunderstanding.'},\n {'end_time': '14:39', 'start_time': '14:36', 'text': 'I have written a book, which is coming out, now.'},\n {'end_time': '14:50', 'start_time': '14:41', 'text': 'In that this aspect, the emotional aspect which you talked about now that the topic has come up, is given out very, very detail in good detail.'},\n {'end_time': '14:54', 'start_time': '14:52', 'text': 'Like, a soldier is doing his duty.'},\n {'end_time': '14:56', 'start_time': '14:54', 'text': 'They are just now saying the wife holds the family together.'},\n {'end_time': '15:01', 'start_time': '14:57', 'text': 'The wife, the father, the mother, the children, their sacrifice goes unnoticed.'},\n {'end_time': '15:08', 'start_time': '15:03', 'text': 'Like in my case, both the times, I written a great detail about this in my book.'},\n {'end_time': '15:12', 'start_time': '15:08', 'text': 'But both the times I was not present when my children are born.'},\n {'end_time': '15:16', 'start_time': '15:13', 'text': 'Both the times are not present when they joined the college.'},\n {'end_time': '15:19', 'start_time': '15:16', 'text': 'Both the times are not present when they joined the professional college.'},\n {'end_time': '15:23', 'start_time': '15:20', 'text': 'Both the times are not present when they did the 10th or did the 12th.'},\n {'end_time': '15:25', 'start_time': '15:24', 'text': 'And she managed all by herself.'},\n {'end_time': '15:30', 'start_time': '15:27', 'text': \"In addition, there's news of, husband being dead.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:33', 'start_time': '15:31', 'text': 'One news got clarified after 12 hours.'},\n {'end_time': '15:33', 'start_time': '15:33', 'text': 'Why?'},\n {'end_time': '15:35', 'start_time': '15:33', 'text': 'But what was the logic?'},\n {'end_time': '15:37', 'start_time': '15:35', 'text': 'See, first time it happened.'},\n {'end_time': '15:46', 'start_time': '15:38', 'text': '2nd time my wife was, pregnant about 8 months pregnant, when this, news came.'},\n {'end_time': '15:55', 'start_time': '15:46', 'text': 'And she saw it on the TV that the first time this happened, major Swenso killed in.'},\n {'end_time': '15:59', 'start_time': '15:58', 'text': 'That is the yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '16:00', 'start_time': '15:59', 'text': 'I was posted in North Kashmir.'},\n {'end_time': '16:04', 'start_time': '16:01', 'text': 'Major, my name, KJ Singh, all rushed to your rifles.'},\n {'end_time': '16:14', 'start_time': '16:06', 'text': 'And she the whole night, she could not sleep, but she also felt she was staying with her parents.'},\n {'end_time': '16:19', 'start_time': '16:14', 'text': 'Her parents were old that tomorrow morning, they should not, get the news first.'},\n {'end_time': '16:21', 'start_time': '16:19', 'text': 'She had to prepare them.'},\n {'end_time': '16:26', 'start_time': '16:22', 'text': 'And then when the newspaper came, newspaper had the same, news.'},\n {'end_time': '16:35', 'start_time': '16:27', 'text': 'She hid the newspaper from her parents, did not cry, did not show her emotions, and kept it to herself.'},\n {'end_time': '16:38', 'start_time': '16:37', 'text': 'And she was pregnant.'},\n {'end_time': '16:43', 'start_time': '16:39', 'text': 'Now this is the strength of the second time, I was a commanding officer.'},\n {'end_time': '16:45', 'start_time': '16:44', 'text': 'Again, 2 children.'},\n {'end_time': '16:52', 'start_time': '16:46', 'text': '1 was just about, 2 years old, 3 years old, and one was about 8, 9 years old.'},\n {'end_time': '16:54', 'start_time': '16:52', 'text': 'She again got the news in the night.'},\n {'end_time': '16:57', 'start_time': '16:54', 'text': 'Again, Kulkajasingh in J and K.'},\n {'end_time': '16:58', 'start_time': '16:58', 'text': 'Killed.'},\n {'end_time': '17:02', 'start_time': '16:59', 'text': 'And she, again, the whole night, she could not sleep.'},\n {'end_time': '17:04', 'start_time': '17:02', 'text': 'And here, something very important happened.'},\n {'end_time': '17:06', 'start_time': '17:04', 'text': \"Now she's a commanding officer's wife.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:14', 'start_time': '17:07', 'text': \"She did not want the other Joans or the officer's wife to see tomorrow morning, her in a shattered condition.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:21', 'start_time': '17:15', 'text': \"She held herself together and showed as if it's okay.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:24', 'start_time': '17:21', 'text': 'You can imagine the strength our families have.'},\n {'end_time': '17:25', 'start_time': '17:25', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '17:39', 'start_time': '17:26', 'text': \"That is how they are their sacrifice, their contribution in the soldier's life must be acknowledged or appreciated and honored.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:44', 'start_time': '17:40', 'text': 'I think they are the most powerful women on this planet.'},\n {'end_time': '17:52', 'start_time': '17:46', 'text': 'So I think one of the phases most associated with your tenure is your time in Kashmir.'},\n {'end_time': '17:59', 'start_time': '17:52', 'text': \"And, even if someone reads your Wikipedia page, it's very evident that you worked a lot towards peace.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:05', 'start_time': '17:59', 'text': 'You actually encouraged the mothers of the insurgents to convince them to not be insurgents.'},\n {'end_time': '18:14', 'start_time': '18:05', 'text': \"And, I think that's a very noble way of, kind of putting the right message across and trying to do things in the right way.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:24', 'start_time': '18:14', 'text': 'But I also want to ask you a very brutal question here, which is that civilians who are sitting in Mumbai, Delhi, etcetera, what do they not understand about the reality of Kashmir?'},\n {'end_time': '18:26', 'start_time': '18:24', 'text': \"You've had 6, 10ures, I believe.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:29', 'start_time': '18:27', 'text': '6 in Kashmir, 7 in Jammu and Kashmir.'},\n {'end_time': '18:32', 'start_time': '18:29', 'text': 'Total 8, 10 years encountered terrorist counter incident series.'},\n {'end_time': '18:38', 'start_time': '18:33', 'text': 'Beginning in 1990 up till as recently as?'},\n {'end_time': '18:39', 'start_time': '18:38', 'text': '2,020.'},\n {'end_time': '18:40', 'start_time': '18:40', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '18:44', 'start_time': '18:42', 'text': 'What has changed in Kashmir?'},\n {'end_time': '18:47', 'start_time': '18:44', 'text': 'And what do civilians not understand about the reality?'},\n {'end_time': '18:53', 'start_time': '18:47', 'text': \"Because civilians will turn to one news channel and they'll say something, another news channel will say the complete opposite.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:58', 'start_time': '18:54', 'text': 'Traditional news media has lost its reputation because of these things.'},\n {'end_time': '19:06', 'start_time': '18:58', 'text': \"We're not getting into the details of why they sway in either direction, but I want to know from a soldier what's the reality on ground.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:10', 'start_time': '19:07', 'text': 'See, Kashmir or Jammu and Kashmir issue.'},\n {'end_time': '19:19', 'start_time': '19:12', 'text': \"Without going into much of a history, I'll just restrict to the terrorist terrorism point of view.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:33', 'start_time': '19:20', 'text': \"Pakistan wanted Kashmir to be destabilized, to be unhappy, and Pakistan wanted something to keep projecting that Kashmir card so that people don't ask them the questions about their domestic failures.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:34', 'start_time': '19:34', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '19:43', 'start_time': '19:34', 'text': \"May it be political, may it be economic, and may it be military or whatever diploma, which have now become very pronounced in Pakistan's, on, backyard.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:45', 'start_time': '19:44', 'text': 'They are in economic mess.'},\n {'end_time': '19:48', 'start_time': '19:45', 'text': 'They have so much of, political issues and all those things.'},\n {'end_time': '19:51', 'start_time': '19:48', 'text': 'So one thing which binds them together is Kashmir.'},\n {'end_time': '19:53', 'start_time': '19:51', 'text': 'So they wanted Kashmir to keep burning.'},\n {'end_time': '19:59', 'start_time': '19:55', 'text': 'So when it happened in 89, when it started, I was there as a young captain, 88.'},\n {'end_time': '20:01', 'start_time': '19:59', 'text': 'First time I went to Kashmir.'},\n {'end_time': '20:06', 'start_time': '20:01', 'text': \"When the Kashmiri Pandits came out I'll tell you why this thing is Kashmiri Pandits came out.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:09', 'start_time': '20:06', 'text': 'The population demography changed.'},\n {'end_time': '20:18', 'start_time': '20:10', 'text': 'Kashmiri Pandits were basically in through education profession plus, other businesses, but the education collapsed.'},\n {'end_time': '20:24', 'start_time': '20:19', 'text': 'The village schools, which are made of wood those days, those were burned down by the rest.'},\n {'end_time': '20:29', 'start_time': '20:25', 'text': 'So children were not getting good education because good teachers had left most of them.'},\n {'end_time': '20:31', 'start_time': '20:30', 'text': 'And they were the problem.'},\n {'end_time': '20:36', 'start_time': '20:31', 'text': 'There afterwards, the huriyat, the hartal, the lockdowns started.'},\n {'end_time': '20:42', 'start_time': '20:36', 'text': \"Every second day used to be cashmere lockdown or this for that reason or this reason, and the schools won't open.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:50', 'start_time': '20:43', 'text': 'The children would not go to school for 200 to 250 days in a year because of these lockdowns.'},\n {'end_time': '20:55', 'start_time': '20:51', 'text': 'You can pick up your grocery if you feel that 3 days lockdown.'},\n {'end_time': '21:05', 'start_time': '20:55', 'text': 'Today, you can pick up after 3 days of another 7 days, but you cannot catch up on your syllabus which you have missed about 80% of the classes.'},\n {'end_time': '21:09', 'start_time': '21:05', 'text': 'Then they were promoted en masse without exams.'},\n {'end_time': '21:13', 'start_time': '21:10', 'text': 'As a result, the base of education was very weak.'},\n {'end_time': '21:21', 'start_time': '21:14', 'text': 'Then they come to 10th, 12th class when they have to compete for getting admission in good professional college or good universities.'},\n {'end_time': '21:28', 'start_time': '21:21', 'text': 'So naturally, when the child has not been through a good education upbringing, they could not compete.'},\n {'end_time': '21:40', 'start_time': '21:28', 'text': 'Now because of 37035 a, mostly 35 a, the industry or the multinational corporations were not allowed to come into Kashmir for establishing industry.'},\n {'end_time': '21:42', 'start_time': '21:40', 'text': 'So the job opportunities were less.'},\n {'end_time': '21:44', 'start_time': '21:42', 'text': 'Economic growth was less.'},\n {'end_time': '21:51', 'start_time': '21:44', 'text': 'And because of terrorism, Kashmir is a basically a tourism oriented, society and a gradient society.'},\n {'end_time': '21:53', 'start_time': '21:52', 'text': 'Basically fruits.'},\n {'end_time': '21:57', 'start_time': '21:53', 'text': 'And when the terrorism was there, the tourists stopped coming.'},\n {'end_time': '22:02', 'start_time': '21:57', 'text': \"So there's a lot of hot layers, lot of, transport businesses, shopkeepers, they lost their income.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:15', 'start_time': '22:03', 'text': 'Coupled with this in 1990, when India opened up to world economy and world become a global village, 1990 is the time when terrorism started in Kashmir.'},\n {'end_time': '22:20', 'start_time': '22:16', 'text': 'Here, there was economic growth happening, job creations happening.'},\n {'end_time': '22:27', 'start_time': '22:20', 'text': 'There, the education going down, the economic growth going down, the job creation going down.'},\n {'end_time': '22:28', 'start_time': '22:27', 'text': 'And what happened in the end?'},\n {'end_time': '22:35', 'start_time': '22:28', 'text': 'When the boy could not get into a good university, good college, he was like a cannon fodder for the terrorist to be recruited.'},\n {'end_time': '22:37', 'start_time': '22:35', 'text': 'And this is exactly what Pakistan wanted.'},\n {'end_time': '22:46', 'start_time': '22:38', 'text': 'Pakistan did not want this young Kashmir boys to get good education, good job, then they will not ask for what Pakistan is asking.'},\n {'end_time': '22:47', 'start_time': '22:47', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '22:50', 'start_time': '22:47', 'text': 'So the whole ecosystem, it worked towards it.'},\n {'end_time': '23:01', 'start_time': '22:50', 'text': \"And now after 5th August 2019, the 370 having been aggregated, there's a lot of investment which is going in, there's a lot of peace which is happening, There's a lot of awareness which has come in.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:06', 'start_time': '23:02', 'text': \"So things are on the upper graph now, and I'm sure they will change for good.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:12', 'start_time': '23:06', 'text': \"What about that lost generation of children which didn't get good education but are also not becoming insurgents?\"},\n {'end_time': '23:14', 'start_time': '23:12', 'text': 'What are they up to now?'},\n {'end_time': '23:20', 'start_time': '23:15', 'text': 'Kashmiri society is a very intellectual society.'},\n {'end_time': '23:21', 'start_time': '23:20', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '23:22', 'start_time': '23:21', 'text': \"They're a very aware society.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:27', 'start_time': '23:24', 'text': \"They're a very education oriented society.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:29', 'start_time': '23:28', 'text': 'They are poets.'},\n {'end_time': '23:30', 'start_time': '23:29', 'text': 'They are musicians.'},\n {'end_time': '23:32', 'start_time': '23:31', 'text': 'They are artisans.'},\n {'end_time': '23:34', 'start_time': '23:32', 'text': 'They are, you know, different types of art.'},\n {'end_time': '23:40', 'start_time': '23:34', 'text': 'Maybe carpets, maybe paper mache, maybe walnut wood, or what have you.'},\n {'end_time': '23:45', 'start_time': '23:40', 'text': \"So this whole generation which you're talking about, it's not the generation which suffered.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:48', 'start_time': '23:46', 'text': 'It is the society which suffered.'},\n {'end_time': '23:53', 'start_time': '23:50', 'text': 'Our society which was so intellectual, which was so nice.'},\n {'end_time': '24:01', 'start_time': '23:54', 'text': 'Now today, 2 third of the population of Jammu and Kashmir is below the age of 30.'},\n {'end_time': '24:06', 'start_time': '24:03', 'text': 'And they have grown up under the gun culture like I always say.'},\n {'end_time': '24:14', 'start_time': '24:07', 'text': 'So that society, that gap in that generation of the age group is what we have to understand.'},\n {'end_time': '24:15', 'start_time': '24:14', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '24:23', 'start_time': '24:15', 'text': '2 third of the population has seen this terrorism happening day in and day out in the neighborhood in their own houses.'},\n {'end_time': '24:24', 'start_time': '24:23', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '24:32', 'start_time': '24:25', 'text': 'So we need to understand the psychology psych of, this generation and need to be more human towards their cause and their feelings.'},\n {'end_time': '24:33', 'start_time': '24:32', 'text': 'All of them are not terrorists.'},\n {'end_time': '24:35', 'start_time': '24:33', 'text': 'Let me be very clear.'},\n {'end_time': '24:39', 'start_time': '24:35', 'text': 'The people who are terrorists or people who are terrorist sympathizers, they are in single digit.'},\n {'end_time': '24:39', 'start_time': '24:39', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '24:52', 'start_time': '24:40', 'text': 'Normal Kashmiri just wants his daily life, his good education, good hospital facilities, good, you know, job, opportunities and peaceful life with the family.'},\n {'end_time': '24:58', 'start_time': '24:55', 'text': \"So what's the reality of Pakistan occupied Kashmir?\"},\n {'end_time': '25:07', 'start_time': '24:58', 'text': \"It's a aspect of the world which is very I'd say it's probably not understood enough by Indian citizens.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:09', 'start_time': '25:07', 'text': \"What's the reality of that land right now?\"},\n {'end_time': '25:13', 'start_time': '25:09', 'text': \"Like, if you go there right now, what's happening there all over?\"},\n {'end_time': '25:14', 'start_time': '25:13', 'text': 'Is it peaceful?'},\n {'end_time': '25:16', 'start_time': '25:14', 'text': 'Is it a hotbed of insurgency?'},\n {'end_time': '25:18', 'start_time': '25:17', 'text': \"What's happening?\"},\n {'end_time': '25:29', 'start_time': '25:18', 'text': \"I mean, we know the answer, but I want I'll just give you a little background to, where some of the audience may not understand what Pakistan occupied Kashmir is when Kashmir acceded to India on a legal document.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:40', 'start_time': '25:30', 'text': 'Pakistan sent in their radars to occupy Kashmir by force, and they were almost on the outskirts of Serenaagat when the Indian army went in and pushed them back.'},\n {'end_time': '25:56', 'start_time': '25:41', 'text': 'They have been pushed back from the Kashmir Valley, but some part of the as well, Jammu, and Kashmir, including Gilgit Baltistan and some area of Jammu and Kashmir are still with them because they could only be pushed up to a particular place because it was month of October.'},\n {'end_time': '26:01', 'start_time': '25:57', 'text': 'Then the winters came in, the passes got covered, and there were the river obstacles.'},\n {'end_time': '26:08', 'start_time': '26:01', 'text': 'So that area, which is still under Pakistan control, outside the Kashmir Valley, per se, is called Pakistan occupied Kashmir.'},\n {'end_time': '26:11', 'start_time': '26:08', 'text': 'They are also same Kashmiri people there.'},\n {'end_time': '26:15', 'start_time': '26:11', 'text': 'The brothers who have this side and that side of the line of control.'},\n {'end_time': '26:24', 'start_time': '26:15', 'text': 'The situation there is such good thing which happened was the Internet, the social media, the, you know, global village concept.'},\n {'end_time': '26:29', 'start_time': '26:24', 'text': 'And there were bus service who just started between Pakistan occupied Kashmir and Kashmir.'},\n {'end_time': '26:36', 'start_time': '26:30', 'text': 'So anyone who went to Pakistan occupied Kashmir spent few days there with their relatives, came back.'},\n {'end_time': '26:38', 'start_time': '26:36', 'text': 'He came and told the horror stories.'},\n {'end_time': '26:43', 'start_time': '26:39', 'text': 'The neglect which Pakistan occupied Kashmir was undergoing.'},\n {'end_time': '26:46', 'start_time': '26:44', 'text': 'The lack of education higher education facilities.'},\n {'end_time': '26:52', 'start_time': '26:48', 'text': 'Actually, the 9 medical colleges which are coming up are were already there in J and K.'},\n {'end_time': '26:54', 'start_time': '26:52', 'text': \"Whereas that said they're nil.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:05', 'start_time': '26:56', 'text': 'The type of job opportunity which are now getting created beside the airports, the hospitals, the IITs, the IIMs which are coming up.'},\n {'end_time': '27:09', 'start_time': '27:05', 'text': \"It's a it's a it's a world of a difference.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:15', 'start_time': '27:10', 'text': 'So that is now becoming clear because of the social media and the Internet.'},\n {'end_time': '27:16', 'start_time': '27:15', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '27:18', 'start_time': '27:16', 'text': 'And people going and physically seeing it.'},\n {'end_time': '27:22', 'start_time': '27:18', 'text': 'Honestly, this podcast is a lot of Kashmir education for me as well.'},\n {'end_time': '27:27', 'start_time': '27:22', 'text': 'And I feel so many people who appear on these news channels with strong opinions about it.'},\n {'end_time': '27:30', 'start_time': '27:27', 'text': \"Is it fair to say that they're not fully informed about the reality?\"},\n {'end_time': '27:34', 'start_time': '27:32', 'text': 'I will not specifically talk about anyone.'},\n {'end_time': '27:41', 'start_time': '27:35', 'text': 'I will say anyone who has not been to Kashmir is an opinion maker on Kashmir.'},\n {'end_time': '27:42', 'start_time': '27:41', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '27:43', 'start_time': '27:42', 'text': \"I'll tell you one small anecdote.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:45', 'start_time': '27:43', 'text': 'I was a core commander in Kashmir.'},\n {'end_time': '27:46', 'start_time': '27:45', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '27:57', 'start_time': '27:46', 'text': 'And, 370 aggregation had taken place And a top newspaper chief editor wanted to come to Kashmir and interview me.'},\n {'end_time': '28:07', 'start_time': '27:58', 'text': \"So we fixed up the date and time, and he flew in from Delhi and and say the time was fixed, say, 11 o'clock or so he came at about 10:30.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:11', 'start_time': '28:09', 'text': 'So my staff told me, sir, the gentleman is here.'},\n {'end_time': '28:12', 'start_time': '28:11', 'text': 'I said, okay.'},\n {'end_time': '28:14', 'start_time': '28:12', 'text': 'We can finish off the thing.'},\n {'end_time': '28:16', 'start_time': '28:14', 'text': \"So he came in and he says, sir, I'm very sorry.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:19', 'start_time': '28:16', 'text': 'I underestimated overestimated that travel time.'},\n {'end_time': '28:21', 'start_time': '28:19', 'text': 'I came a little faster.'},\n {'end_time': '28:22', 'start_time': '28:21', 'text': 'So I said, yes.'},\n {'end_time': '28:24', 'start_time': '28:22', 'text': 'Then it takes that much time from the airport.'},\n {'end_time': '28:27', 'start_time': '28:25', 'text': \"Isabel, I was thinking there's a lockdown.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:29', 'start_time': '28:27', 'text': \"I'm talking of post 5th August.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:30', 'start_time': '28:29', 'text': \"There's a lockdown.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:32', 'start_time': '28:30', 'text': \"There'll be a lot of checking, lot of places.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:38', 'start_time': '28:32', 'text': \"I'll be hold up at the barrier and asked to prove my ID, and it will take me a long time.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:39', 'start_time': '28:38', 'text': 'So I said, no.'},\n {'end_time': '28:40', 'start_time': '28:39', 'text': 'Nothing like that happened.'},\n {'end_time': '28:41', 'start_time': '28:40', 'text': 'He said, yes.'},\n {'end_time': '28:42', 'start_time': '28:41', 'text': 'The all shops are open.'},\n {'end_time': '28:43', 'start_time': '28:42', 'text': 'All roads are open.'},\n {'end_time': '28:45', 'start_time': '28:43', 'text': 'Traffic is moving around freely.'},\n {'end_time': '28:47', 'start_time': '28:45', 'text': 'There is no roadblocks.'},\n {'end_time': '28:48', 'start_time': '28:47', 'text': 'There are no barriers.'},\n {'end_time': '28:50', 'start_time': '28:48', 'text': \"And that's why I reached half an hour early.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:51', 'start_time': '28:50', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '28:56', 'start_time': '28:52', 'text': \"So I said, who's telling you there was a lockdown?\"},\n {'end_time': '28:57', 'start_time': '28:56', 'text': \"There's no nothing called lockdown.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:58', 'start_time': '28:57', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '29:01', 'start_time': '28:58', 'text': \"He said also about the whole, media is saying there's a lockdown in Kashmir.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:05', 'start_time': '29:02', 'text': 'I told him, I said, you you are the media.'},\n {'end_time': '29:06', 'start_time': '29:05', 'text': 'You are a newspaper editor.'},\n {'end_time': '29:09', 'start_time': '29:07', 'text': 'And then comes the beauty.'},\n {'end_time': '29:12', 'start_time': '29:09', 'text': 'Then he says, actually, I write twice a month.'},\n {'end_time': '29:16', 'start_time': '29:12', 'text': 'I write an article on Kashmir in editorial column.'},\n {'end_time': '29:18', 'start_time': '29:16', 'text': 'So I thought I must go and see Kashmir.'},\n {'end_time': '29:19', 'start_time': '29:19', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '29:21', 'start_time': '29:19', 'text': 'He has not been to Kashmir.'},\n {'end_time': '29:29', 'start_time': '29:21', 'text': \"He's writing editorial articles on Kashmir, and he has a perception even being in the media, which is supposed to be aware of things.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:30', 'start_time': '29:30', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '29:31', 'start_time': '29:30', 'text': \"And that is what I'm saying.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:42', 'start_time': '29:31', 'text': 'The narrative building about Kashmir, about wrong things going around Kashmir are all narrative building.'},\n {'end_time': '29:44', 'start_time': '29:42', 'text': \"Pakistan till today is saying Kashmir, there's a lockdown.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:49', 'start_time': '29:46', 'text': 'There are there are movie shootings which happening in, Kashmir.'},\n {'end_time': '29:49', 'start_time': '29:49', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '30:03', 'start_time': '29:50', 'text': \"So there that's why if anyone who comes on the TV where they can influence a young mind, my request would be, you should have done your homework, you should be an expert on the subject, and you should know the topic.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:10', 'start_time': '30:05', 'text': 'Because you spent so much time in Kashmir, please feel free not to answer this also.'},\n {'end_time': '30:14', 'start_time': '30:11', 'text': 'You witnessed the Kashmiri Pandit exodus?'},\n {'end_time': '30:15', 'start_time': '30:14', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '30:18', 'start_time': '30:15', 'text': 'I was a young captain in North Kashmir in district, Upada.'},\n {'end_time': '30:21', 'start_time': '30:19', 'text': 'And, on 19th January 1990.'},\n {'end_time': '30:30', 'start_time': '30:22', 'text': 'Before that, we I reached there in September 1988, and I was there till, better part of, 1990.'},\n {'end_time': '30:35', 'start_time': '30:31', 'text': 'So I witnessed the situation at that time.'},\n {'end_time': '30:45', 'start_time': '30:35', 'text': 'However, since I was only a captain and in a particular area with a particular area of responsibility, I written about this in a great detail in my book because what happened on that day?'},\n {'end_time': '30:47', 'start_time': '30:45', 'text': 'What happened prior to that?'},\n {'end_time': '30:51', 'start_time': '30:47', 'text': \"And a lot of people even question as to why the army didn't do anything.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:53', 'start_time': '30:52', 'text': 'Can you give a gist?'},\n {'end_time': '30:56', 'start_time': '30:53', 'text': 'Like I told you, Kashmiri Pandits left.'},\n {'end_time': '30:58', 'start_time': '30:56', 'text': 'Education system collapsed.'},\n {'end_time': '31:03', 'start_time': '30:58', 'text': \"The ecosystem of Houriat, the terrorist, and all those people, anyone who didn't align with them got killed.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:07', 'start_time': '31:04', 'text': 'They made sure that society remained uneducated.'},\n {'end_time': '31:11', 'start_time': '31:07', 'text': 'The sociopolitical economic aspects, outcomes of this.'},\n {'end_time': '31:13', 'start_time': '31:12', 'text': 'Social outcome.'},\n {'end_time': '31:16', 'start_time': '31:13', 'text': \"There's a very deep rooted thing.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:22', 'start_time': '31:16', 'text': 'You will see no, you know, higher cast chap getting killed in encounter.'},\n {'end_time': '31:26', 'start_time': '31:22', 'text': \"They're all the controllers of terrorism.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:31', 'start_time': '31:27', 'text': \"There's a cannon for the cast which gets killed in the encounters.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:32', 'start_time': '31:31', 'text': 'Economics.'},\n {'end_time': '31:41', 'start_time': '31:32', 'text': 'Because of the terrorism, because of lack of education, because of lack of good opportunities, good infrastructure, good development, no peace, Economic development has not happened.'},\n {'end_time': '31:46', 'start_time': '31:42', 'text': 'Because the education had not happened, economic development has not happened, the job creation is not there.'},\n {'end_time': '31:47', 'start_time': '31:46', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '31:51', 'start_time': '31:47', 'text': 'There are no MNCs, which have come in because of 35 a.'},\n {'end_time': '31:55', 'start_time': '31:51', 'text': 'And tourism society, basically, everyone depend on tourism.'},\n {'end_time': '31:58', 'start_time': '31:55', 'text': 'Because there are no peace, tourist tourists were scared to go.'},\n {'end_time': '32:00', 'start_time': '31:58', 'text': 'At times, the terrorist even killed the tourists.'},\n {'end_time': '32:01', 'start_time': '32:00', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '32:03', 'start_time': '32:02', 'text': 'Whose fault?'},\n {'end_time': '32:07', 'start_time': '32:03', 'text': \"Not a Kashmiri local's fault, but he suffered.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:08', 'start_time': '32:08', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '32:10', 'start_time': '32:08', 'text': 'Very unrelated question.'},\n {'end_time': '32:11', 'start_time': '32:10', 'text': 'Do you believe in karma?'},\n {'end_time': '32:13', 'start_time': '32:12', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '32:15', 'start_time': '32:13', 'text': 'You believe that actions have consequences?'},\n {'end_time': '32:26', 'start_time': '32:17', 'text': 'See, I will say every man is responsible for himself, for his actions.'},\n {'end_time': '32:33', 'start_time': '32:26', 'text': \"But as a military commander, I'm also responsible for the well-being of my men under my command.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:45', 'start_time': '32:33', 'text': \"For me, karma is not only that I do good karma so I'll get the good results in this life or the next life where my children will, get a, you know, good result because of the karma.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:47', 'start_time': '32:45', 'text': 'For me, karma is instant.'},\n {'end_time': '32:48', 'start_time': '32:47', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '32:58', 'start_time': '32:48', 'text': \"If I'm a good commander, if I do my planning properly, I conduct my operations properly, I lead my team properly, my actions are judicial, they're justified and transparent.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:01', 'start_time': '32:59', 'text': \"I'll come back with my men safe.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:02', 'start_time': '33:01', 'text': \"I'll come back myself safe.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:03', 'start_time': '33:02', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '33:05', 'start_time': '33:03', 'text': 'So Karma is granting me immediately.'},\n {'end_time': '33:12', 'start_time': '33:06', 'text': 'But the point which you are making you know, every Indian has got that feeling somewhere at the back of the mind.'},\n {'end_time': '33:21', 'start_time': '33:12', 'text': \"And I'm no different, but I would want to do the thing rightly in the right manner as a part of the team Yes.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:22', 'start_time': '33:21', 'text': 'For the overall good of my team.'},\n {'end_time': '33:23', 'start_time': '33:22', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '33:32', 'start_time': '33:24', 'text': \"The reason I ask you this is because I've been reading about this concept called collective karma, which means that societies in general also hold a certain karma.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:42', 'start_time': '33:32', 'text': \"That if a society is inflicting pain or a country is inflicting inflicting pain on another country, it's going to come back at some point, which makes me think about Pakistan in general.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:46', 'start_time': '33:42', 'text': \"After the 2 podcasts we've done, it has been responsible.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:52', 'start_time': '33:46', 'text': 'The ISI has been responsible for, you know, creating havoc in this one area.'},\n {'end_time': '34:01', 'start_time': '33:54', 'text': \"What I wish to ask you is, you know, what's happening inside Pakistan right now as well, not just economically?\"},\n {'end_time': '34:12', 'start_time': '34:02', 'text': \"What I believe is that a lot of news is actually blocked in mainstream media in Pakistan from the geopolitical analysts that we've had on the show.\"},\n {'end_time': '34:16', 'start_time': '34:12', 'text': 'They speak about the rewards happening in places like Balochistan, Northwest front Frontier Province.'},\n {'end_time': '34:19', 'start_time': '34:16', 'text': \"There are parts of Pakistan that don't want to be a part of it.\"},\n {'end_time': '34:20', 'start_time': '34:19', 'text': 'Is that true?'},\n {'end_time': '34:23', 'start_time': '34:20', 'text': \"And I'm asking for your objective geopolitical opinion here.\"},\n {'end_time': '34:24', 'start_time': '34:23', 'text': \"I'll sum up in one line.\"},\n {'end_time': '34:25', 'start_time': '34:24', 'text': 'Sure.'},\n {'end_time': '34:28', 'start_time': '34:25', 'text': 'The whole thing which you are talking about Pakistan and the karma and other things.'},\n {'end_time': '34:33', 'start_time': '34:29', 'text': 'A very, important world leader had told Pakistan.'},\n {'end_time': '34:39', 'start_time': '34:34', 'text': \"If you have snakes in your backyard, you can't expect them to bite your neighbor only.\"},\n {'end_time': '34:44', 'start_time': '34:40', 'text': 'So this one statement sums up the whole thing.'},\n {'end_time': '34:45', 'start_time': '34:44', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '34:47', 'start_time': '34:45', 'text': 'What Pakistan has done over the decades.'},\n {'end_time': '34:50', 'start_time': '34:49', 'text': 'The the terrorists are going to come back.'},\n {'end_time': '34:51', 'start_time': '34:50', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '34:54', 'start_time': '34:51', 'text': \"So they're not only going to be there directly towards one side.\"},\n {'end_time': '34:56', 'start_time': '34:55', 'text': \"So I'll leave it at that.\"},\n {'end_time': '34:58', 'start_time': '34:57', 'text': 'One military question.'},\n {'end_time': '34:59', 'start_time': '34:58', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '35:01', 'start_time': '34:59', 'text': 'India has a very large border.'},\n {'end_time': '35:04', 'start_time': '35:02', 'text': \"It's like so curvy inside out.\"},\n {'end_time': '35:09', 'start_time': '35:05', 'text': 'How do you possibly patrol the entire border?'},\n {'end_time': '35:11', 'start_time': '35:09', 'text': 'Are there, like, modern satellite systems?'},\n {'end_time': '35:18', 'start_time': '35:11', 'text': \"Like, I I just don't understand how such a la large land mass can be completely protected.\"},\n {'end_time': '35:23', 'start_time': '35:18', 'text': 'And is it a scientific problem that the military is trying to solve for constantly?'},\n {'end_time': '35:26', 'start_time': '35:25', 'text': 'Just for the benefit of the audience.'},\n {'end_time': '35:27', 'start_time': '35:26', 'text': 'Sure.'},\n {'end_time': '35:32', 'start_time': '35:27', 'text': 'The highest battlefield on earth is searching glacier.'},\n {'end_time': '35:35', 'start_time': '35:33', 'text': 'India is fighting there.'},\n {'end_time': '35:40', 'start_time': '35:35', 'text': 'And on the other extreme of the spectrum, India is also protecting its silent territories.'},\n {'end_time': '35:42', 'start_time': '35:41', 'text': \"There's a main sea level.\"},\n {'end_time': '35:43', 'start_time': '35:42', 'text': 'Yep.'},\n {'end_time': '35:48', 'start_time': '35:43', 'text': \"So from main sea level right up to the highest battlefield, that's on Himalayas.\"},\n {'end_time': '35:52', 'start_time': '35:49', 'text': 'In between, we have all types of borders.'},\n {'end_time': '35:59', 'start_time': '35:52', 'text': 'May it be altitude, may it be mountains, may it be riverine, may it be deserts, may it be jungles, may it be coastline.'},\n {'end_time': '36:09', 'start_time': '36:00', 'text': 'So we as a military or as a nation are guarding all these borders and with 2 nuclear neighbors who are not very friendly.'},\n {'end_time': '36:15', 'start_time': '36:11', 'text': \"So the question which you asked, there's a mix and match of everything.\"},\n {'end_time': '36:16', 'start_time': '36:16', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '36:21', 'start_time': '36:16', 'text': 'There is a electronic, surveillance means which are available.'},\n {'end_time': '36:33', 'start_time': '36:21', 'text': 'The physical holding of areas which is definitely there, and the physical blocking of areas for a specific period of time coupled with the electronic means of surveillance.'},\n {'end_time': '36:35', 'start_time': '36:33', 'text': 'They can be ground based.'},\n {'end_time': '36:37', 'start_time': '36:35', 'text': 'They can be raised platform based.'},\n {'end_time': '36:39', 'start_time': '36:37', 'text': 'They can be, you know, from the 3rd dimension.'},\n {'end_time': '36:48', 'start_time': '36:40', 'text': 'So all these coupled together form a very nice network of border management.'},\n {'end_time': '36:49', 'start_time': '36:49', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '36:57', 'start_time': '36:49', 'text': 'Is drone warfare or drone surveillance becoming more and more important in modern day military life?'},\n {'end_time': '37:04', 'start_time': '36:58', 'text': \"As far as I understand, in the same way that we have army, navy, air force, we've spoken about cyber and space on the last podcast.\"},\n {'end_time': '37:06', 'start_time': '37:04', 'text': \"One thing I didn't touch upon is drones.\"},\n {'end_time': '37:08', 'start_time': '37:07', 'text': 'Has it come to the forefront?'},\n {'end_time': '37:15', 'start_time': '37:09', 'text': 'See, warfare like any other field is a dynamic and evolving field.'},\n {'end_time': '37:27', 'start_time': '37:16', 'text': 'From spears and swords to horse cavalry to foot infantry to tanks to guns to helicopters to aerial warships and, you know, attack.'},\n {'end_time': '37:32', 'start_time': '37:28', 'text': 'And the evolving evolution is still going on.'},\n {'end_time': '37:32', 'start_time': '37:32', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '37:34', 'start_time': '37:32', 'text': 'Drones are just one part of it.'},\n {'end_time': '37:35', 'start_time': '37:35', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '37:40', 'start_time': '37:35', 'text': 'In the recent times, yes, they have gained certain relevance and importance.'},\n {'end_time': '37:43', 'start_time': '37:41', 'text': \"And but they're not a standalone system.\"},\n {'end_time': '37:47', 'start_time': '37:43', 'text': \"They're part of the overall war fighting network.\"},\n {'end_time': '37:47', 'start_time': '37:47', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '37:54', 'start_time': '37:47', 'text': 'But, yes, in the last few of the one decade plus, they are becoming more and more pronounced.'},\n {'end_time': '37:58', 'start_time': '37:54', 'text': 'The use is becoming more and more lethal and multifaceted.'},\n {'end_time': '38:02', 'start_time': '38:00', 'text': 'Offense is the best form of defense.'},\n {'end_time': '38:03', 'start_time': '38:02', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '38:06', 'start_time': '38:03', 'text': \"That's something I know every military man believes in strongly.\"},\n {'end_time': '38:10', 'start_time': '38:06', 'text': 'We talk about cyber attacks happening on us or on civilians, etcetera.'},\n {'end_time': '38:14', 'start_time': '38:11', 'text': \"I'm 110% sure that there is a cyber unit in the military as well.\"},\n {'end_time': '38:16', 'start_time': '38:15', 'text': \"You don't need to elaborate on it.\"},\n {'end_time': '38:22', 'start_time': '38:16', 'text': \"So if if you think it's inappropriate and pardon me if I've asked you something that's too much where I've crossed the line.\"},\n {'end_time': '38:23', 'start_time': '38:22', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '38:23', 'start_time': '38:23', 'text': \"I'll tell you.\"},\n {'end_time': '38:27', 'start_time': '38:24', 'text': 'We have a defense cyber agency Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '38:31', 'start_time': '38:27', 'text': 'Which works under the headquarter ideas under the CDS.'},\n {'end_time': '38:34', 'start_time': '38:31', 'text': 'We have the defense space agency Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '38:37', 'start_time': '38:34', 'text': 'Which also works under the headquarter ideas and the CDS.'},\n {'end_time': '38:48', 'start_time': '38:37', 'text': 'And they also work in conjunction with other assets of the government, other agencies who are dealing with the similar topics and subjects, nonmilitary agencies.'},\n {'end_time': '38:54', 'start_time': '38:48', 'text': 'And, like, I was in the CDS secretary at function in my last appointment.'},\n {'end_time': '38:55', 'start_time': '38:54', 'text': 'They work very closely.'},\n {'end_time': '38:58', 'start_time': '38:56', 'text': 'They actually notes on real time basis.'},\n {'end_time': '39:03', 'start_time': '38:59', 'text': \"So it's not that, one is working in a different silo.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:09', 'start_time': '39:03', 'text': \"They're very cohesive, coherent, and integrated way of functioning between these agencies.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:10', 'start_time': '39:10', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '39:12', 'start_time': '39:11', 'text': \"So they're there and it's an open secret.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:13', 'start_time': '39:12', 'text': \"I'm not telling you Okay.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:15', 'start_time': '39:14', 'text': 'Anything which is, classified.'},\n {'end_time': '39:20', 'start_time': '39:17', 'text': \"Again, one more question because I'm enjoying talking to you, sir.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:23', 'start_time': '39:20', 'text': \"It's not every day that you get to a chance or talk to someone like yourself.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:45', 'start_time': '39:25', 'text': \"You know, when you talk about these agencies, secret services of India or even the cyber warfare unit of the Indian military, I'm sure there is a very well thought out recruitment process, which is not going to be the same as recruiting people for the actual military, not the army, navy efforts.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:49', 'start_time': '39:45', 'text': \"That's a whole other process because they're human beings are the weapons.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:52', 'start_time': '39:49', 'text': \"Here, it's much more about probably the human mind being the weapon.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:02', 'start_time': '39:52', 'text': 'So, my question is really there are some, kind of situations that happen in the public eye where the military is keeping an eye on it and recruiting the best talent out of India.'},\n {'end_time': '40:04', 'start_time': '40:02', 'text': 'Am I right in saying that?'},\n {'end_time': '40:05', 'start_time': '40:04', 'text': \"Because that's what the youth hopes for.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:10', 'start_time': '40:05', 'text': \"There's a two way, manning of these agencies.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:11', 'start_time': '40:11', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '40:14', 'start_time': '40:11', 'text': '1 is, you go for a tenure.'},\n {'end_time': '40:15', 'start_time': '40:15', 'text': 'You come back.'},\n {'end_time': '40:20', 'start_time': '40:15', 'text': 'But your aptitude and your qualification is from the regular, military.'},\n {'end_time': '40:33', 'start_time': '40:20', 'text': \"If you are you're having the qualification which is required in these agencies, and you have the aptitude and you are updated because you've done some course or something, then you go for 2 years, 3 years, extendable to 5 years or whatever time.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:35', 'start_time': '40:33', 'text': \"So but these people's career, where does it start?\"},\n {'end_time': '40:38', 'start_time': '40:35', 'text': 'Like, do they They start as a proper military professionals.'},\n {'end_time': '40:41', 'start_time': '40:39', 'text': \"You're talking about, like, secret service?\"},\n {'end_time': '40:41', 'start_time': '40:41', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '40:43', 'start_time': '40:41', 'text': \"I'm talking about the cyber and space and other stuff.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:44', 'start_time': '40:43', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '40:44', 'start_time': '40:44', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '40:45', 'start_time': '40:44', 'text': 'And even the secret services.'},\n {'end_time': '40:46', 'start_time': '40:46', 'text': \"It's there.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:49', 'start_time': '40:46', 'text': \"There's also in the secret services also.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:52', 'start_time': '40:49', 'text': 'There is there were consist of all the other, services.'},\n {'end_time': '40:54', 'start_time': '40:53', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '40:56', 'start_time': '40:54', 'text': \"So person who has the aptitude, they're taken on deputation.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:58', 'start_time': '40:56', 'text': 'At times, they absorb permanently.'},\n {'end_time': '41:03', 'start_time': '40:58', 'text': 'So there are various, you know, ways they can work for these agencies or the federal service.'},\n {'end_time': '41:07', 'start_time': '41:03', 'text': \"Without going to tell, it's it's the best man for the job.\"},\n {'end_time': '41:08', 'start_time': '41:07', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '41:10', 'start_time': '41:08', 'text': 'And these are recruited from military colleges, Bert?'},\n {'end_time': '41:12', 'start_time': '41:10', 'text': 'They are recruiting from all over.'},\n {'end_time': '41:16', 'start_time': '41:13', 'text': 'Depending on if the chap is serving in the police.'},\n {'end_time': '41:16', 'start_time': '41:16', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '41:18', 'start_time': '41:16', 'text': 'He has the aptitude and talent.'},\n {'end_time': '41:20', 'start_time': '41:18', 'text': \"He's picked up and taken there.\"},\n {'end_time': '41:21', 'start_time': '41:20', 'text': \"He's found suitable.\"},\n {'end_time': '41:22', 'start_time': '41:21', 'text': \"He's retained.\"},\n {'end_time': '41:28', 'start_time': '41:22', 'text': 'He can be there for 3 years, 5 years, 10 years, come back to his parent card or he can continue in that card.'},\n {'end_time': '41:32', 'start_time': '41:28', 'text': \"So it's nothing bad here.\"},\n {'end_time': '41:32', 'start_time': '41:32', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '41:36', 'start_time': '41:32', 'text': 'Aim is to pick up the best who can do the best job for the country.'},\n {'end_time': '41:37', 'start_time': '41:37', 'text': 'K.'},\n {'end_time': '41:39', 'start_time': '41:37', 'text': 'And he can be picked up from, any service.'},\n {'end_time': '41:41', 'start_time': '41:39', 'text': \"I'm just drawing out a very hypothetical scenario.\"},\n {'end_time': '41:47', 'start_time': '41:41', 'text': 'Suppose there is a hackathon, you know, these coders come together to code something very elaborate.'},\n {'end_time': '41:53', 'start_time': '41:47', 'text': \"Would the Indian secret services actually go to that hackathon, keep a track of who's the best coder, and then pull them in?\"},\n {'end_time': '42:01', 'start_time': '41:53', 'text': \"They they the people who are responsible, let's start and all people who are responsible for, you know, defense against all these hackings and all.\"},\n {'end_time': '42:04', 'start_time': '42:01', 'text': 'They do conduct, hacker conferences and all.'},\n {'end_time': '42:04', 'start_time': '42:04', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '42:07', 'start_time': '42:04', 'text': \"And, if they find someone suitable, I'm sure.\"},\n {'end_time': '42:11', 'start_time': '42:08', 'text': \"So I won't know the details of it.\"},\n {'end_time': '42:11', 'start_time': '42:11', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '42:17', 'start_time': '42:11', 'text': \"But I'm sure if this jab is good and it's got the potential, he must be taken in.\"},\n {'end_time': '42:17', 'start_time': '42:17', 'text': 'Yep.'},\n {'end_time': '42:26', 'start_time': '42:17', 'text': 'At the end of the day, aim is that his qualities or his potential must be used for the good of the nation.'},\n {'end_time': '42:29', 'start_time': '42:26', 'text': 'You need the muscle of the mind sometimes Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '42:29', 'start_time': '42:29', 'text': 'In these situations.'},\n {'end_time': '42:36', 'start_time': '42:30', 'text': \"I'm assuming that it's the sharpest, most capable minds out of all Yes.\"},\n {'end_time': '42:38', 'start_time': '42:36', 'text': 'Of the available, assets, resources.'},\n {'end_time': '42:39', 'start_time': '42:38', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '42:43', 'start_time': '42:39', 'text': \"And I'm sure they would be having procedural ways and means to select who's very good.\"},\n {'end_time': '42:44', 'start_time': '42:43', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '42:46', 'start_time': '42:44', 'text': 'And then taking even depending on their requirements.'},\n {'end_time': '42:46', 'start_time': '42:46', 'text': 'Gotcha.'},\n {'end_time': '42:47', 'start_time': '42:47', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '42:54', 'start_time': '42:47', 'text': 'This is the juiciest portion of both the podcast, which I have been, like, looking forward to from the time we met you in that room.'},\n {'end_time': '43:06', 'start_time': '42:56', 'text': \"I know you can't go into the details of this, but on a very surface level, just for education purposes, what is the Defense Intelligence Agency?\"},\n {'end_time': '43:07', 'start_time': '43:06', 'text': 'Because you headed it.'},\n {'end_time': '43:09', 'start_time': '43:08', 'text': 'What does that mean?'},\n {'end_time': '43:12', 'start_time': '43:09', 'text': 'For teenagers listening to it, what does intelligence mean?'},\n {'end_time': '43:17', 'start_time': '43:12', 'text': \"You know, when you say, oh, intelligence, agency, etcetera, like, there's a very foggy idea.\"},\n {'end_time': '43:18', 'start_time': '43:17', 'text': 'People think of James Bond.'},\n {'end_time': '43:19', 'start_time': '43:18', 'text': 'People think of spies.'},\n {'end_time': '43:21', 'start_time': '43:19', 'text': 'People think of Raw.'},\n {'end_time': '43:22', 'start_time': '43:21', 'text': 'How is this different from Raw?'},\n {'end_time': '43:23', 'start_time': '43:22', 'text': 'Does it work with Raw?'},\n {'end_time': '43:24', 'start_time': '43:23', 'text': \"What's happening?\"},\n {'end_time': '43:26', 'start_time': '43:25', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '43:31', 'start_time': '43:27', 'text': 'Defense intelligence agency is an agency of the defense which collects intelligence.'},\n {'end_time': '43:33', 'start_time': '43:32', 'text': 'What is intelligence?'},\n {'end_time': '43:41', 'start_time': '43:34', 'text': 'So intelligence is synthesizing of collaboration of information, which is available from various domains.'},\n {'end_time': '43:42', 'start_time': '43:42', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '43:46', 'start_time': '43:43', 'text': 'You have information coming from 10 sources.'},\n {'end_time': '43:48', 'start_time': '43:47', 'text': 'You sift it together.'},\n {'end_time': '43:50', 'start_time': '43:48', 'text': 'You synthesize it.'},\n {'end_time': '43:51', 'start_time': '43:50', 'text': 'You filter it.'},\n {'end_time': '43:52', 'start_time': '43:51', 'text': \"Then there's some words.\"},\n {'end_time': '43:57', 'start_time': '43:52', 'text': 'You task an agency, which is probably better in equation intelligence.'},\n {'end_time': '43:58', 'start_time': '43:57', 'text': 'You fill up that word.'},\n {'end_time': '44:01', 'start_time': '43:58', 'text': 'You make the int picture, but then there is a picture.'},\n {'end_time': '44:09', 'start_time': '44:01', 'text': 'Once it is confirmed intelligence picture, then the information which had been gathered is called intelligence.'},\n {'end_time': '44:13', 'start_time': '44:10', 'text': 'Once it has got some intelligence, wait in it.'},\n {'end_time': '44:13', 'start_time': '44:13', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '44:15', 'start_time': '44:13', 'text': 'Now intelligence is of 2 types.'},\n {'end_time': '44:22', 'start_time': '44:15', 'text': '1 is red hot intelligence as the civilian would understand that information on which are intelligent which you have to act immediately.'},\n {'end_time': '44:24', 'start_time': '44:22', 'text': 'Otherwise, it will go bad.'},\n {'end_time': '44:28', 'start_time': '44:25', 'text': 'Instead, the 4 terrorists are sitting in that hut hut now.'},\n {'end_time': '44:32', 'start_time': '44:28', 'text': \"If you don't act in next 30 minutes, they will move out.\"},\n {'end_time': '44:35', 'start_time': '44:32', 'text': 'Then this intelligence is of no use.'},\n {'end_time': '44:40', 'start_time': '44:35', 'text': \"So such like intelligence is even if there's a little bit of wide, then you launch.\"},\n {'end_time': '44:44', 'start_time': '44:40', 'text': 'And on ground, you go and confirm by various means.'},\n {'end_time': '44:46', 'start_time': '44:44', 'text': '2nd is a background intelligence.'},\n {'end_time': '44:48', 'start_time': '44:46', 'text': 'You collected this intelligence and all.'},\n {'end_time': '44:53', 'start_time': '44:48', 'text': 'You realize like, you would have seen in a lot of movies where the sleeper cells have been identified.'},\n {'end_time': '44:56', 'start_time': '44:53', 'text': 'You mean terrorist But they are not acted against.'},\n {'end_time': '44:59', 'start_time': '44:57', 'text': 'The agencies wait for the opportune moment.'},\n {'end_time': '45:10', 'start_time': '44:59', 'text': \"Probably, when all the, you know, components are together or probably when the big fish which has come in or probably when they're just about to launch some very sensational, attack.\"},\n {'end_time': '45:12', 'start_time': '45:11', 'text': 'So they will hit at that time.'},\n {'end_time': '45:13', 'start_time': '45:12', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '45:14', 'start_time': '45:13', 'text': 'So that is called background intelligence.'},\n {'end_time': '45:16', 'start_time': '45:14', 'text': 'So there are different types of it.'},\n {'end_time': '45:22', 'start_time': '45:16', 'text': 'And, the question about, functioning with other agencies like I told you, all intelligence agencies in the country.'},\n {'end_time': '45:28', 'start_time': '45:23', 'text': \"They've worked in a very cohesive manner, and they meet practically every day.\"},\n {'end_time': '45:37', 'start_time': '45:28', 'text': \"Every day, there's a physical meeting and electronic, flow of information is real time between all these agencies.\"},\n {'end_time': '45:38', 'start_time': '45:37', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '45:44', 'start_time': '45:38', 'text': 'This is to make the youth aware that things are happening in the right way.'},\n {'end_time': '45:49', 'start_time': '45:44', 'text': 'On the previous podcast, you said that the Indian military is always engaged in some form of operation.'},\n {'end_time': '45:57', 'start_time': '45:49', 'text': 'Now I am assuming that before you strategize for the operation, the step involved is gathering of intelligence.'},\n {'end_time': '46:00', 'start_time': '45:57', 'text': \"That's where the Defense Intelligence Agency really comes into play.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:10', 'start_time': '46:00', 'text': \"For military based operations, you're gathering all the information for the boys to actually go out and perform the operation efficiently without a loss of life.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:11', 'start_time': '46:10', 'text': 'Am I correct in saying this?'},\n {'end_time': '46:23', 'start_time': '46:11', 'text': 'See, what I said in the previous, Hindi podcast was, any military which is not in continuous operations or which stays away from operations for a very long time, they get a little jarred.'},\n {'end_time': '46:27', 'start_time': '46:23', 'text': 'So when the day of the operation, they may not be up to it.'},\n {'end_time': '46:28', 'start_time': '46:27', 'text': \"So it's always good.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:34', 'start_time': '46:28', 'text': 'And Indian Army, that way is better because we are always in some sort of a operational area after every peace tenure.'},\n {'end_time': '46:40', 'start_time': '46:34', 'text': 'Now coming to the point about how the operation and how the intelligence if you have to buy a TV, what do you do?'},\n {'end_time': '46:41', 'start_time': '46:40', 'text': 'Research.'},\n {'end_time': '46:42', 'start_time': '46:41', 'text': 'You search the net.'},\n {'end_time': '46:45', 'start_time': '46:42', 'text': 'You ask a friend who had bought a particular thing.'},\n {'end_time': '46:46', 'start_time': '46:45', 'text': 'How is this TV working?'},\n {'end_time': '46:47', 'start_time': '46:46', 'text': \"You'll say it's good.\"},\n {'end_time': '46:48', 'start_time': '46:47', 'text': 'You ask other friend.'},\n {'end_time': '46:49', 'start_time': '46:48', 'text': 'He said, oh, mine is better.'},\n {'end_time': '46:51', 'start_time': '46:49', 'text': 'Now this is intelligence gathering.'},\n {'end_time': '46:58', 'start_time': '46:52', 'text': 'Once all this intelligence or the information has come to you, then you start working out which is the best option.'},\n {'end_time': '46:59', 'start_time': '46:59', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '47:01', 'start_time': '46:59', 'text': \"But then you realize you don't have that type of money.\"},\n {'end_time': '47:03', 'start_time': '47:02', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '47:04', 'start_time': '47:03', 'text': 'Then you go for the second best.'},\n {'end_time': '47:05', 'start_time': '47:05', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '47:12', 'start_time': '47:05', 'text': \"Similarly, when you're gathering information intelligence, you come to the best possible way of carrying out operations.\"},\n {'end_time': '47:15', 'start_time': '47:12', 'text': 'But then you realize for this, I need these resources.'},\n {'end_time': '47:17', 'start_time': '47:16', 'text': \"If they're there, go for it.\"},\n {'end_time': '47:24', 'start_time': '47:17', 'text': \"If those resources are not there and you can't wait for them to build up, then you probably do.\"},\n {'end_time': '47:28', 'start_time': '47:24', 'text': 'And there comes in the leadership.'},\n {'end_time': '47:31', 'start_time': '47:29', 'text': 'There comes in the planning.'},\n {'end_time': '47:32', 'start_time': '47:32', 'text': 'Creativity?'},\n {'end_time': '47:40', 'start_time': '47:33', 'text': 'We we call it, you know, in the military term, we call it how the leaders plan.'},\n {'end_time': '47:41', 'start_time': '47:41', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '47:48', 'start_time': '47:41', 'text': 'And a good leadership can make a difference between the defeat and victory.'},\n {'end_time': '47:49', 'start_time': '47:49', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '47:55', 'start_time': '47:49', 'text': 'Because same resources when employed in a particular manner may give a x dividend.'},\n {'end_time': '48:05', 'start_time': '47:56', 'text': 'But the same resources when their orchestration is done differently can give you x plus, dividends.'},\n {'end_time': '48:11', 'start_time': '48:06', 'text': \"So all these things and then impression logistic, I said, they're very important component of any impression planning.\"},\n {'end_time': '48:13', 'start_time': '48:12', 'text': \"I'm asking this very respectfully.\"},\n {'end_time': '48:20', 'start_time': '48:16', 'text': \"Again, because this is a question that we've brought up on the podcast a couple of years ago.\"},\n {'end_time': '48:25', 'start_time': '48:20', 'text': \"I think they'd asked the GD about this and that time there wasn't enough information about it.\"},\n {'end_time': '48:33', 'start_time': '48:25', 'text': 'But whatever had happened with Bipin Rawat, sir, has has the military now understood?'},\n {'end_time': '48:35', 'start_time': '48:34', 'text': \"It's just a yes or no question.\"},\n {'end_time': '48:39', 'start_time': '48:36', 'text': 'Because See, it is, accidents happen.'},\n {'end_time': '48:43', 'start_time': '48:40', 'text': 'The court of inquiry has been conducted in this incident also.'},\n {'end_time': '48:49', 'start_time': '48:43', 'text': 'And any other, accidents of helicopters or clouds which happen, a court of inquiry is a must.'},\n {'end_time': '48:52', 'start_time': '48:49', 'text': 'And once a court of inquiry is conducted, what are the outcome?'},\n {'end_time': '48:55', 'start_time': '48:53', 'text': 'Whatever the reasons for it.'},\n {'end_time': '48:57', 'start_time': '48:55', 'text': 'And then they are improved upon.'},\n {'end_time': '48:58', 'start_time': '48:57', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '49:04', 'start_time': '48:58', 'text': \"Whether it's a technical, issue or whether it's a judgmental issue or whatever it is whether issue or not.\"},\n {'end_time': '49:11', 'start_time': '49:04', 'text': \"So in all accidents which happen in the army, even if there's a small accident, I just got a scrape on my finger.\"},\n {'end_time': '49:15', 'start_time': '49:11', 'text': 'There is a court of inquiry so that it does not get repeated.'},\n {'end_time': '49:21', 'start_time': '49:16', 'text': \"So in this case also, I'm sure the court of inquiry was held and it is, in place.\"},\n {'end_time': '49:22', 'start_time': '49:21', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '49:23', 'start_time': '49:22', 'text': 'You had worked with him?'},\n {'end_time': '49:24', 'start_time': '49:23', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '49:29', 'start_time': '49:24', 'text': 'I was, deputy chief of defense staff, integrated defense staff and looking after intelligence.'},\n {'end_time': '49:32', 'start_time': '49:29', 'text': 'And, of course, I was the corps commander when he was the chief.'},\n {'end_time': '49:36', 'start_time': '49:33', 'text': 'I was the BGS in the corps headquarter when he was the GOC.'},\n {'end_time': '49:38', 'start_time': '49:36', 'text': 'I was the brigade commander.'},\n {'end_time': '49:41', 'start_time': '49:39', 'text': 'His name is brigade commander when he was the GOC in Baramulla.'},\n {'end_time': '49:43', 'start_time': '49:42', 'text': 'I was the name is brigade commander in.'},\n {'end_time': '49:45', 'start_time': '49:43', 'text': 'I worked very closely with him.'},\n {'end_time': '49:46', 'start_time': '49:45', 'text': 'That was brotherhood.'},\n {'end_time': '49:48', 'start_time': '49:46', 'text': 'He was a solid commander.'},\n {'end_time': '49:53', 'start_time': '49:50', 'text': 'Lot of combat experience, very sharp.'},\n {'end_time': '50:00', 'start_time': '49:54', 'text': \"He'll pick up a team like this, give a decision like this, and he will stand by his subordinates.\"},\n {'end_time': '50:08', 'start_time': '50:01', 'text': 'He had a great vision for future and the perfect commander which you can look for.'},\n {'end_time': '50:10', 'start_time': '50:08', 'text': 'A military man to the hilt.'},\n {'end_time': '50:12', 'start_time': '50:11', 'text': 'Why perfect commander?'},\n {'end_time': '50:17', 'start_time': '50:13', 'text': \"What I'm saying is he was the man who could gorge your work.\"},\n {'end_time': '50:20', 'start_time': '50:17', 'text': 'He would give you a job and let you do the job.'},\n {'end_time': '50:24', 'start_time': '50:20', 'text': \"And he's not the one who will keep interfering with you every now and then.\"},\n {'end_time': '50:25', 'start_time': '50:24', 'text': 'He will guide you.'},\n {'end_time': '50:26', 'start_time': '50:25', 'text': 'He will enable you.'},\n {'end_time': '50:28', 'start_time': '50:26', 'text': 'He will give you additional sources.'},\n {'end_time': '50:31', 'start_time': '50:29', 'text': 'He was very good visionary.'},\n {'end_time': '50:31', 'start_time': '50:31', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '50:34', 'start_time': '50:31', 'text': 'What is his legacy for the Indian military?'},\n {'end_time': '50:41', 'start_time': '50:35', 'text': 'All great commanders, all great leaders, leave a legacy where people get, you know, influenced by them, motivated by them.'},\n {'end_time': '50:45', 'start_time': '50:42', 'text': 'And, there are lot of people who are motivated by his way of functioning.'},\n {'end_time': '50:48', 'start_time': '50:45', 'text': 'Those who served with him, myself included.'},\n {'end_time': '50:49', 'start_time': '50:49', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '50:56', 'start_time': '50:49', 'text': 'The way he worked in Kashmir, the way he worked in various combat areas in northeast and other places, and as a chief and serious.'},\n {'end_time': '50:57', 'start_time': '50:57', 'text': 'Great man.'},\n {'end_time': '50:58', 'start_time': '50:57', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '51:02', 'start_time': '50:58', 'text': \"Again, it's an honor that I'm getting to talk to such a high ranking military officer.\"},\n {'end_time': '51:03', 'start_time': '51:02', 'text': 'Just sliding that in.'},\n {'end_time': '51:05', 'start_time': '51:03', 'text': \"That's what I've been feeling throughout these 2.\"},\n {'end_time': '51:09', 'start_time': '51:05', 'text': \"So every question I'm asking you while it's direct, I mean it with a lot of respect.\"},\n {'end_time': '51:11', 'start_time': '51:09', 'text': \"I don't mean to cross any line with you.\"},\n {'end_time': '51:25', 'start_time': '51:11', 'text': \"At the cost of making this a little dark, there's someone who's seen a lot of death and death very up close, and I'm sure your, appreciation for life increases a lot, you know, especially at the end of your military tenure or so.\"},\n {'end_time': '51:30', 'start_time': '51:26', 'text': \"The I've been in combat situation since captain days.\"},\n {'end_time': '51:33', 'start_time': '51:30', 'text': 'Captain, major, lieutenant colonel, CEO, brigade commander.'},\n {'end_time': '51:39', 'start_time': '51:33', 'text': 'The first death which unfortunate incident which happened under my command was when I was a brigadier.'},\n {'end_time': '51:41', 'start_time': '51:39', 'text': 'I still remember last night.'},\n {'end_time': '51:53', 'start_time': '51:42', 'text': 'I written about great detail about this incident also because that is the first death under my command where a soldier lost his life in the line of duty after 4, 5, 10 years.'},\n {'end_time': '52:05', 'start_time': '51:54', 'text': \"The most difficult part of any commander's duty is to lay the wreath on the mortal remains, which as a corps commander, I had to perform the duty for on few occasions, including Pulwama.\"},\n {'end_time': '52:10', 'start_time': '52:06', 'text': 'After Pulwama, that incident, when we killed them in 100 hours, we lost people.'},\n {'end_time': '52:12', 'start_time': '52:10', 'text': 'We lost many of them there and, soldiers.'},\n {'end_time': '52:23', 'start_time': '52:13', 'text': 'So the most difficult job of a commander in his lifetime is to lay the on the mortal remains before they are sent to their next token to their homes.'},\n {'end_time': '52:32', 'start_time': '52:24', 'text': \"So it's a it's a way what do I say?\"},\n {'end_time': '52:34', 'start_time': '52:32', 'text': \"It's a job you have to do.\"},\n {'end_time': '52:38', 'start_time': '52:35', 'text': \"It's the job which you can't say I don't like.\"},\n {'end_time': '52:41', 'start_time': '52:38', 'text': \"It's the job where you got to minimize your casualties.\"},\n {'end_time': '52:47', 'start_time': '52:43', 'text': 'And nation wants you to do that job and you have to do it.'},\n {'end_time': '52:49', 'start_time': '52:47', 'text': \"There's no turning back.\"},\n {'end_time': '52:53', 'start_time': '52:49', 'text': 'But it is a difficult moment when you lose a man.'},\n {'end_time': '53:05', 'start_time': '52:54', 'text': 'And I have invariably been in the hospital whenever the casualty comes to the hospital So that, you know, last minute, somebody should not falter for some small little thing.'},\n {'end_time': '53:07', 'start_time': '53:05', 'text': 'I will give a decision then and there.'},\n {'end_time': '53:08', 'start_time': '53:07', 'text': 'Let go.'},\n {'end_time': '53:10', 'start_time': '53:08', 'text': 'Money is not a criteria at all.'},\n {'end_time': '53:13', 'start_time': '53:11', 'text': 'Nothing stops if you can save a man.'},\n {'end_time': '53:18', 'start_time': '53:13', 'text': 'The doctors in 92 best hospitals in Kashmir, Srinagar are the best you can have.'},\n {'end_time': '53:22', 'start_time': '53:19', 'text': \"I've seen them reviving almost dying patients.\"},\n {'end_time': '53:28', 'start_time': '53:23', 'text': 'So every evening, you come back with that feeling that I saved someone.'},\n {'end_time': '53:29', 'start_time': '53:28', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '53:34', 'start_time': '53:29', 'text': 'And as a commander, my biggest responsibility is towards my command, towards the man I command.'},\n {'end_time': '53:36', 'start_time': '53:35', 'text': 'Tiny, sir.'},\n {'end_time': '53:37', 'start_time': '53:36', 'text': 'My god.'},\n {'end_time': '53:40', 'start_time': '53:39', 'text': 'Heavy talking to you.'},\n {'end_time': '53:46', 'start_time': '53:41', 'text': 'Be it all the information or just perspectives, Want to learn from you more in life.'},\n {'end_time': '53:53', 'start_time': '53:46', 'text': \"And, before I let you go, at the end of today's episode, I have to ask you a little bit about your book, which I'm very keen on reading.\"},\n {'end_time': '53:57', 'start_time': '53:53', 'text': \"I feel there's there's a lot of heavy stuff in there.\"},\n {'end_time': '54:00', 'start_time': '53:57', 'text': 'What would you like to say about your book to the viewers?'},\n {'end_time': '54:12', 'start_time': '54:01', 'text': 'So this book is a life story from the day I was 3 years old till abrogation of article 370 and time after that.'},\n {'end_time': '54:16', 'start_time': '54:13', 'text': \"So it's a journey of that small 3 year old child.\"},\n {'end_time': '54:20', 'start_time': '54:16', 'text': 'His struggles, which actually started at 3 years of age.'},\n {'end_time': '54:22', 'start_time': '54:21', 'text': 'How he faced the challenges?'},\n {'end_time': '54:23', 'start_time': '54:23', 'text': 'How he failed?'},\n {'end_time': '54:26', 'start_time': '54:24', 'text': 'How he fell down?'},\n {'end_time': '54:27', 'start_time': '54:26', 'text': 'How he got up?'},\n {'end_time': '54:31', 'start_time': '54:28', 'text': 'You know, cleaned himself and ran again, how he failed again.'},\n {'end_time': '54:36', 'start_time': '54:32', 'text': \"The lesson here is 1 failure or 2 failures don't make you a failure.\"},\n {'end_time': '54:40', 'start_time': '54:38', 'text': 'That gives you energy to win again.'},\n {'end_time': '54:44', 'start_time': '54:41', 'text': \"And from there, it's about marriage.\"},\n {'end_time': '54:47', 'start_time': '54:44', 'text': \"It's about unit life, NDA, IMA training.\"},\n {'end_time': '54:48', 'start_time': '54:47', 'text': 'Lot of anecdotes.'},\n {'end_time': '54:56', 'start_time': '54:49', 'text': 'The marriage life, early marriage, children birth, challenges, the wife spot, the children spot, then Kashmir.'},\n {'end_time': '54:58', 'start_time': '54:56', 'text': '70% book is on Kashmir.'},\n {'end_time': '54:58', 'start_time': '54:58', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '55:03', 'start_time': '54:58', 'text': 'Starting with 1988, Russia rifles, sir of army survival.'},\n {'end_time': '55:06', 'start_time': '55:04', 'text': 'You said army marches on your stomach.'},\n {'end_time': '55:08', 'start_time': '55:06', 'text': 'They full chapter on survival skills.'},\n {'end_time': '55:10', 'start_time': '55:08', 'text': 'How army survives when there are no Russians.'},\n {'end_time': '55:12', 'start_time': '55:11', 'text': 'What are the things we do?'},\n {'end_time': '55:19', 'start_time': '55:13', 'text': \"So if anybody wanting to join the army, boy or girl, it's a first time guide.\"},\n {'end_time': '55:24', 'start_time': '55:19', 'text': \"If anyone wants to marry an army boy or army girl, it's again a first time guide.\"},\n {'end_time': '55:32', 'start_time': '55:24', 'text': \"And it's what challenges from a young 3 year old boy to a young lieutenant to a left in general.\"},\n {'end_time': '55:34', 'start_time': '55:33', 'text': 'The levels of challenges differ.'},\n {'end_time': '55:35', 'start_time': '55:35', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '55:43', 'start_time': '55:36', 'text': 'Challenges remain and how you can work them into opportunities is what is the crux of this book.'},\n {'end_time': '55:49', 'start_time': '55:44', 'text': \"Aim being only to tell the youngsters what they're coming into.\"},\n {'end_time': '55:50', 'start_time': '55:49', 'text': 'The, you know, army aspirants.'},\n {'end_time': '55:55', 'start_time': '55:50', 'text': 'And the name of the book is cover is just released.'},\n {'end_time': '55:57', 'start_time': '55:56', 'text': \"I'm sure, I'll send it to you.\"},\n {'end_time': '55:58', 'start_time': '55:57', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '56:00', 'start_time': '55:58', 'text': 'We put it right here in this part of the podcast.'},\n {'end_time': '56:01', 'start_time': '56:00', 'text': 'Yes, sir.'},\n {'end_time': '56:04', 'start_time': '56:01', 'text': 'I think you know how grateful I am by this point in the show.'},\n {'end_time': '56:06', 'start_time': '56:04', 'text': 'Once again, sir, I salute you.'},\n {'end_time': '56:10', 'start_time': '56:06', 'text': 'Thank you for your service, and thank you for giving us 2 incredible episodes.'},\n {'end_time': '56:13', 'start_time': '56:10', 'text': 'I highly recommend listeners go check out our Hindi episode as well, sir.'},\n {'end_time': '56:17', 'start_time': '56:13', 'text': 'And, hoping to see you again on the Ranveer show.'},\n {'end_time': '56:17', 'start_time': '56:17', 'text': 'Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '56:18', 'start_time': '56:17', 'text': 'Thank you, sir.'},\n {'end_time': '56:18', 'start_time': '56:18', 'text': 'Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '56:21', 'start_time': '56:20', 'text': 'That was the episode for today.'},\n {'end_time': '56:23', 'start_time': '56:21', 'text': 'If you enjoyed it, make sure you hit that like button.'},\n {'end_time': '56:27', 'start_time': '56:23', 'text': 'Share this episode with as many Indians as is possible.'},\n {'end_time': '56:35', 'start_time': '56:27', 'text': 'We roam around in cities where people often refuse to even talk about geopolitics, they refuse to talk about aspects related to the armed forces.'},\n {'end_time': '56:45', 'start_time': '56:35', 'text': \"People like to turn a blind eye to these conversations and I'm hoping that the podcast begins a change in our country, especially considering the times that we're living in.\"},\n {'end_time': '56:48', 'start_time': '56:45', 'text': 'More podcasts like this, make sure you follow us on Spotify.'},\n {'end_time': '56:52', 'start_time': '56:48', 'text': \"Every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world.\"},\n {'end_time': '56:57', 'start_time': '56:52', 'text': 'Please send 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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:03", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "They got up and one of them who was, like, their spokesman type of person, so he said, k." }, { "end_time": "0:04", "start_time": "0:03", "text": "We've got some demands." }, { "end_time": "0:05", "start_time": "0:05", "text": "He says, look here." }, { "end_time": "0:06", "start_time": "0:05", "text": "What is our relationship?" }, { "end_time": "0:09", "start_time": "0:06", "text": "I said, you are a mujahid while fellow fights a jihad." }, { "end_time": "0:10", "start_time": "0:09", "text": "By that definition, I am the zalim." }, { "end_time": "0:11", "start_time": "0:10", "text": "I'm the oppressor." }, { "end_time": "0:12", "start_time": "0:11", "text": "We have a conversation." }, { "end_time": "0:12", "start_time": "0:12", "text": "We can't." }, { "end_time": "0:15", "start_time": "0:12", "text": "So what do you ask what are you wanting to have a conversation with me for?" }, { "end_time": "0:16", "start_time": "0:15", "text": "So he was even more confused." }, { "end_time": "0:19", "start_time": "0:17", "text": "So then I turned around and said, look here." }, { "end_time": "0:23", "start_time": "0:19", "text": "As a citizen of my country, if you ask me for anything, I'm obligated to give it to you." }, { "end_time": "0:26", "start_time": "0:23", "text": "So even if you consider yourself to be a mujahideen, you ask him." }, { "end_time": "0:33", "start_time": "0:26", "text": "The mainstay of movement against terrorism in J and K today is the Jammu and Kashmir police, which is almost 70% Muslim." }, { "end_time": "0:35", "start_time": "0:33", "text": "This is what people need to know." }, { "end_time": "0:36", "start_time": "0:35", "text": "This is what they need to know." }, { "end_time": "0:38", "start_time": "0:36", "text": "Appreciate you saying that on the podcast." }, { "end_time": "0:40", "start_time": "0:38", "text": "And this is the reason we started this podcast." }, { "end_time": "0:45", "start_time": "0:40", "text": "I I don't feel like modern day television can get nuggets of truth out like this." }, { "end_time": "0:54", "start_time": "0:45", "text": "If you've enjoyed any of the military episodes, any of the episodes with the police force that we've done on TRS, I promise you, you're going to enjoy this one." }, { "end_time": "1:01", "start_time": "0:54", "text": "Keep in mind, this is one of the most experienced and honestly one of the most legendary IPS officers of our country." }, { "end_time": "1:05", "start_time": "1:01", "text": "This is also a very difficult episode to listen to." }, { "end_time": "1:07", "start_time": "1:05", "text": "It gets very brutal in some parts." }, { "end_time": "1:16", "start_time": "1:08", "text": "So I wish to say enjoy the episode, but honestly, just sit back and take in this man's life experiences." }, { "end_time": "1:18", "start_time": "1:17", "text": "It's about Kashmir." }, { "end_time": "1:20", "start_time": "1:19", "text": "It's about modern day India." }, { "end_time": "1:30", "start_time": "1:21", "text": "And it's about the last 30 years of a slightly more brutal version of India that the generations before us saw." }, { "end_time": "1:33", "start_time": "1:31", "text": "This is SM Saheisel on PRS." }, { "end_time": "1:53", "start_time": "1:52", "text": "SM Sahizer." }, { "end_time": "1:55", "start_time": "1:54", "text": "Welcome to TRS." }, { "end_time": "2:01", "start_time": "1:56", "text": "When you walked in, you walked in with a little bit of an intense vibe." }, { "end_time": "2:04", "start_time": "2:01", "text": "Usually, people come here and the guards fall off." }, { "end_time": "2:05", "start_time": "2:04", "text": "They become relaxed." }, { "end_time": "2:06", "start_time": "2:05", "text": "They become calm." }, { "end_time": "2:08", "start_time": "2:06", "text": "There's a lot of intensity with you." }, { "end_time": "2:11", "start_time": "2:08", "text": "Now I feel your guard has kind of dropped off a little bit." }, { "end_time": "2:11", "start_time": "2:11", "text": "Maybe it hasn't." }, { "end_time": "2:15", "start_time": "2:12", "text": "Well, I mean, as I said, it seemed to be like that." }, { "end_time": "2:15", "start_time": "2:15", "text": "It's not done." }, { "end_time": "2:17", "start_time": "2:15", "text": "It's not that I am like that." }, { "end_time": "2:18", "start_time": "2:17", "text": "You know people call you a super cop." }, { "end_time": "2:22", "start_time": "2:19", "text": "Well, they call every other cop super cop, so there's nothing great about that." }, { "end_time": "2:23", "start_time": "2:22", "text": "Really?" }, { "end_time": "2:24", "start_time": "2:23", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "2:25", "start_time": "2:24", "text": "That's become like a general thing." }, { "end_time": "2:30", "start_time": "2:25", "text": "Anybody any cop that has a bit of a social media profile usually becomes a super cop." }, { "end_time": "2:31", "start_time": "2:30", "text": "Really?" }, { "end_time": "2:31", "start_time": "2:31", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "2:34", "start_time": "2:31", "text": "But in the world of cops, who's the actual super cop?" }, { "end_time": "2:45", "start_time": "2:35", "text": "Well, if you ask me, their word actually originated with, Roberto and got, magnified with KPSG." }, { "end_time": "2:45", "start_time": "2:45", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "2:47", "start_time": "2:45", "text": "You'll have to give a little context." }, { "end_time": "2:48", "start_time": "2:47", "text": "Lot of people don't know these names." }, { "end_time": "2:56", "start_time": "2:49", "text": "But Roberto, was basically a Mumbai cop who was, taken to Punjab in the height the peak of the Palestine problem." }, { "end_time": "3:00", "start_time": "2:57", "text": "And, he was able to set the agenda for the Punjab Police." }, { "end_time": "3:05", "start_time": "3:01", "text": "This is something that happens very often in insurgency hit areas." }, { "end_time": "3:12", "start_time": "3:06", "text": "A word which is now, like, more or less used as terrorism, but I would say insurgency, it has got its own connotations." }, { "end_time": "3:20", "start_time": "3:13", "text": "So when mister O'Barrow came, he, set the agenda, and that laid the groundwork." }, { "end_time": "3:30", "start_time": "3:20", "text": "When mister KPS Gill came, he was the very flamboyant, the Jartic, IPS officers imported from Assam, and he had this very tiring personality, and he also had his own style." }, { "end_time": "3:34", "start_time": "3:31", "text": "So he gave that entire thing a new kind of dimension." }, { "end_time": "3:42", "start_time": "3:35", "text": "And being a local Jartic, it was very good for the narrative because it, the Kazakhstan problem is largely a Jardseeker problem." }, { "end_time": "3:46", "start_time": "3:43", "text": "And he being a Jardseeker cop, we can, you know, provide the contrast." }, { "end_time": "3:48", "start_time": "3:46", "text": "And he was very successful." }, { "end_time": "3:54", "start_time": "3:48", "text": "So that is why I mean, that's where the reward of super cops in the Indian context came." }, { "end_time": "3:54", "start_time": "3:54", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "3:58", "start_time": "3:54", "text": "And then as I said, any moderately successful cop after that is, like, called a super cop." }, { "end_time": "3:58", "start_time": "3:58", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "4:00", "start_time": "3:58", "text": "Very rookie question for you." }, { "end_time": "4:05", "start_time": "4:00", "text": "But you said that, he set the agenda with the cops." }, { "end_time": "4:06", "start_time": "4:05", "text": "You used this sentence." }, { "end_time": "4:07", "start_time": "4:07", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "4:08", "start_time": "4:07", "text": "Break that down." }, { "end_time": "4:10", "start_time": "4:08", "text": "What does that mean, setting an agenda with the cop?" }, { "end_time": "4:18", "start_time": "4:10", "text": "You see what happens in, in certain situations is that usually, the local police is a part of society." }, { "end_time": "4:21", "start_time": "4:19", "text": "The recruitment is from the society." }, { "end_time": "4:21", "start_time": "4:21", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "4:27", "start_time": "4:21", "text": "So anything that is happening within the society, you can't expect a member of the police force not to be influenced by that." }, { "end_time": "4:41", "start_time": "4:28", "text": "So, for example, in in Punjab, when the Khalistan movement started off, then the influences of that Khalistani sentiment, particularly after the operation Blue Star in 84 became very strong." }, { "end_time": "4:52", "start_time": "4:41", "text": "So even a moderate average, sick who was not really concerned about the problem, but had little angst about what happened, in the golden temple." }, { "end_time": "4:55", "start_time": "4:52", "text": "So, you know, these influences do come into the police force." }, { "end_time": "4:59", "start_time": "4:55", "text": "So, you know, you can have people whose loyalties may become questionable." }, { "end_time": "5:04", "start_time": "4:59", "text": "People who are not don't want to be disloyal definitely don't decide with the state." }, { "end_time": "5:08", "start_time": "5:04", "text": "So getting a police force to function in that environment is quite a challenge." }, { "end_time": "5:11", "start_time": "5:08", "text": "And that is when the agenda has to be set." }, { "end_time": "5:14", "start_time": "5:11", "text": "And that is where I think Roberto was very successful." }, { "end_time": "5:28", "start_time": "5:14", "text": "But then he was able to actually identify the fact that the Palestinians were not really looking for separatism, but it was more of a social economic issue based being exploited by a certain element of, people looking at a very personal agenda." }, { "end_time": "5:38", "start_time": "5:29", "text": "So when you have grievances in a society, which all of them have, and, then, you know, some self seeking leadership can exploit." }, { "end_time": "5:39", "start_time": "5:39", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "5:40", "start_time": "5:39", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "5:43", "start_time": "5:40", "text": "And then they exploit that sentiment, and it happens all the time." }, { "end_time": "5:44", "start_time": "5:43", "text": "It's happening today." }, { "end_time": "5:49", "start_time": "5:44", "text": "So, when they exploit that, then, you know, they take the society into a very different direction." }, { "end_time": "5:54", "start_time": "5:50", "text": "And that direction influences everybody, the administration, the police, everybody." }, { "end_time": "5:57", "start_time": "5:54", "text": "So then, you know, you are required leadership in the those organizations." }, { "end_time": "6:06", "start_time": "5:57", "text": "The police leadership is required at that time to then pull the police force out of that sense of inertia or I would say despondency and start fighting the problem." }, { "end_time": "6:07", "start_time": "6:06", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "6:16", "start_time": "6:07", "text": "So basically, setting an agenda for other police officers is kind of partially strategy, partially how your company culture and start ups." }, { "end_time": "6:20", "start_time": "6:16", "text": "It's something like that where you set rules and a game plan." }, { "end_time": "6:25", "start_time": "6:21", "text": "See, the first thing that you're doing in a thing like this is is to actually appeal to the mind." }, { "end_time": "6:27", "start_time": "6:26", "text": "To appeal to the mind." }, { "end_time": "6:27", "start_time": "6:27", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "6:31", "start_time": "6:27", "text": "So you have to explain to the force that, what they're doing is the right thing." }, { "end_time": "6:32", "start_time": "6:31", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "6:36", "start_time": "6:32", "text": "Because there are going to be enough influences in the society, which will tell them otherwise." }, { "end_time": "6:36", "start_time": "6:36", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "6:40", "start_time": "6:36", "text": "Like, if you if you recall, were you born in that or no?" }, { "end_time": "6:44", "start_time": "6:41", "text": "In 84, sorry." }, { "end_time": "6:45", "start_time": "6:44", "text": "I'm 93." }, { "end_time": "6:46", "start_time": "6:45", "text": "I know." }, { "end_time": "6:52", "start_time": "6:47", "text": "In, in when 84 happened, a lot of the secret regiments revolted." }, { "end_time": "6:56", "start_time": "6:53", "text": "And they mutilied, and they came in columns, towards Punjab." }, { "end_time": "7:01", "start_time": "6:57", "text": "So it's not that the Sikhs are were disloyal soldiers, or they are disloyal soldiers today." }, { "end_time": "7:04", "start_time": "7:01", "text": "They've got some of the bravest we've had." }, { "end_time": "7:05", "start_time": "7:04", "text": "But that was the situation." }, { "end_time": "7:10", "start_time": "7:06", "text": "A sentiment over all the, the entire force." }, { "end_time": "7:14", "start_time": "7:10", "text": "So it is very important that you the loyalties of force are not taken for granted." }, { "end_time": "7:20", "start_time": "7:14", "text": "You must explain to them why they are fighting a cause, especially when you're asking them to put their lives in the line." }, { "end_time": "7:24", "start_time": "7:20", "text": "So fighting a routine crime problem or a routine law, not a problem is very different." }, { "end_time": "7:30", "start_time": "7:24", "text": "But when somebody is is expected to put his life online, then it has to be a very different motivation level." }, { "end_time": "7:32", "start_time": "7:31", "text": "So that's why this is very important." }, { "end_time": "7:33", "start_time": "7:33", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "7:38", "start_time": "7:35", "text": "Have you truly enjoyed your journey being a Supercop?" }, { "end_time": "7:41", "start_time": "7:39", "text": "Well, you can take the super part of what it is." }, { "end_time": "7:42", "start_time": "7:41", "text": "I've enjoyed my journey as a cop." }, { "end_time": "7:43", "start_time": "7:42", "text": "Cop?" }, { "end_time": "7:43", "start_time": "7:43", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "7:44", "start_time": "7:43", "text": "What did you enjoy?" }, { "end_time": "7:46", "start_time": "7:45", "text": "The whole challenge of it." }, { "end_time": "7:54", "start_time": "7:46", "text": "I in fact, I think, the Kashmir's most challenging period was seen by, people of my generation and my vintage of officers." }, { "end_time": "7:58", "start_time": "7:55", "text": "So it was it was quite very, very challenging." }, { "end_time": "8:01", "start_time": "7:58", "text": "What's the Especially because you were thrown out into the deep end." }, { "end_time": "8:02", "start_time": "8:02", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "8:06", "start_time": "8:02", "text": "I I wanna totally deep dive into this whole Kashmir angle." }, { "end_time": "8:13", "start_time": "8:06", "text": "But first, from a little human side, what's the actual rush for the heart as an outcome of your job?" }, { "end_time": "8:19", "start_time": "8:13", "text": "For example, as a YouTuber, in 2 hours of my work, I get to influence lakhs of people." }, { "end_time": "8:20", "start_time": "8:19", "text": "That's the rush." }, { "end_time": "8:27", "start_time": "8:21", "text": "And we've built it up over time, but that's the actual human joy that when I go to sleep at night, I think, okay." }, { "end_time": "8:28", "start_time": "8:27", "text": "That's what I'm adding to the world." }, { "end_time": "8:33", "start_time": "8:28", "text": "So I want to know, I mean, it's very obvious what a cop adds to the world, but I want to know from your mouth." }, { "end_time": "8:41", "start_time": "8:34", "text": "Well, I mean, when we landed in J and K, it was quite an peaceful place." }, { "end_time": "8:46", "start_time": "8:42", "text": "It was all about tourism and there was Bellini crime." }, { "end_time": "8:49", "start_time": "8:46", "text": "I think the average murder murder rate of the entire state was 10 murders a year." }, { "end_time": "8:55", "start_time": "8:50", "text": "And most of them would not even qualify as murders because they were actually killings that took place in the heat of the moment." }, { "end_time": "8:57", "start_time": "8:55", "text": "So which is actually culpable homicide." }, { "end_time": "9:12", "start_time": "8:58", "text": "And, from that, you know, suddenly, this whole situation erupted where you had explosions taking place, processions coming out, militants with AK 40 sevens part of those processions, shooting of, policemen, civilians, burning of houses." }, { "end_time": "9:14", "start_time": "9:13", "text": "There was, like, total rampage." }, { "end_time": "9:14", "start_time": "9:14", "text": "Wait." }, { "end_time": "9:18", "start_time": "9:14", "text": "What was the point of the timeline where you visited for the first time?" }, { "end_time": "9:20", "start_time": "9:18", "text": "I joined the state in 88." }, { "end_time": "9:20", "start_time": "9:20", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "9:23", "start_time": "9:20", "text": "And this all started at the end of 89." }, { "end_time": "9:24", "start_time": "9:23", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "9:24", "start_time": "9:24", "text": "Destiny." }, { "end_time": "9:26", "start_time": "9:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:26", "start_time": "9:26", "text": "Destiny." }, { "end_time": "9:32", "start_time": "9:26", "text": "So I really like in when we were in the academy, my batchmates are all technically, you know, we're gonna come to you for our honeymoon." }, { "end_time": "9:38", "start_time": "9:33", "text": "And later on, when I went back for this second, we have two phases of training." }, { "end_time": "9:41", "start_time": "9:38", "text": "So when we went back to the second phase, this whole problem had already erupted." }, { "end_time": "9:43", "start_time": "9:42", "text": "So then they said, give it to no." }, { "end_time": "9:45", "start_time": "9:43", "text": "I think we'll give it a second thought about it." }, { "end_time": "9:47", "start_time": "9:46", "text": "No comfort, honeymoon?" }, { "end_time": "9:51", "start_time": "9:49", "text": "So what's up doing?" }, { "end_time": "9:56", "start_time": "9:53", "text": "So so that was how it was." }, { "end_time": "10:00", "start_time": "9:56", "text": "And then it quite well, it became quite challenging and it was exciting in its own way." }, { "end_time": "10:00", "start_time": "10:00", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "10:06", "start_time": "10:00", "text": "Especially because, you know, what happens in situations like this is that, nobody has a clue of what to do." }, { "end_time": "10:06", "start_time": "10:06", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "10:10", "start_time": "10:07", "text": "And obviously, because if you had a clue what to do, then the situation don't arise." }, { "end_time": "10:12", "start_time": "10:11", "text": "It just randomly started." }, { "end_time": "10:14", "start_time": "10:12", "text": "There was no, like, boiling tension?" }, { "end_time": "10:20", "start_time": "10:16", "text": "Well, I think the indications are all there." }, { "end_time": "10:26", "start_time": "10:21", "text": "It's that, there was political disbelief Break that downs." }, { "end_time": "10:29", "start_time": "10:26", "text": "And, and administrative inertia." }, { "end_time": "10:29", "start_time": "10:29", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "10:37", "start_time": "10:29", "text": "Political disbelief was that what happens is that when political parties are elected to power, it it happens in a certain certain time frame." }, { "end_time": "10:38", "start_time": "10:38", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "10:45", "start_time": "10:39", "text": "So many a few years down the line, the the mandate that was given to you and the popularity that you had may have actually disappeared." }, { "end_time": "10:47", "start_time": "10:46", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "10:48", "start_time": "10:47", "text": "But you have a tenure." }, { "end_time": "10:52", "start_time": "10:49", "text": "You continue to believe that you have this mandate till the end of that tenure." }, { "end_time": "10:53", "start_time": "10:52", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "10:57", "start_time": "10:53", "text": "But you actually may have actually to have dissipated it or lost that mandate in between." }, { "end_time": "11:08", "start_time": "10:59", "text": "So, like, what happened in Kashmir was at 87 elections, which were largely believed to have been rigged." }, { "end_time": "11:11", "start_time": "11:10", "text": "A government came into power." }, { "end_time": "11:17", "start_time": "11:12", "text": "And in this case, the 2 parties that came into power were actually the premier opposing parties." }, { "end_time": "11:23", "start_time": "11:17", "text": "And in in, politically, let me put it this way." }, { "end_time": "11:30", "start_time": "11:24", "text": "What happens is that when the opposition and the ruling parties or the 2 parties combine, they create a vacuum." }, { "end_time": "11:40", "start_time": "11:31", "text": "Because for the balance of power for society and for thought or whatever democracy, let's put it this way, there is a requirement of having an opposing side." }, { "end_time": "11:47", "start_time": "11:40", "text": "So when that disappears, the people who don't like the what is being done by the combination of these two parties have no choice." }, { "end_time": "11:50", "start_time": "11:47", "text": "And that is when this, you know, what disruptive element starts." }, { "end_time": "12:09", "start_time": "11:50", "text": "Sometimes it can be agitation like we saw during the time of the JP movement when the opposition kind of was put behind bars or you have it in terms of where, you know, like you had it in Germany when the the 2 major parties combined and then you had the Baader Meinhof group coming up, but the earliest terrorist movements that took place." }, { "end_time": "12:12", "start_time": "12:09", "text": "So similarly, you know, when there is a concentration of power in one entity." }, { "end_time": "12:17", "start_time": "12:12", "text": "So that's why even freedom struggles will have a lot of terrorist activity happening around it." }, { "end_time": "12:20", "start_time": "12:17", "text": "Because what do you do if you want to challenge that part?" }, { "end_time": "12:24", "start_time": "12:20", "text": "So in a democratic set to set up, at least there is the other to go to." }, { "end_time": "12:25", "start_time": "12:24", "text": "In this case, there is not." }, { "end_time": "12:34", "start_time": "12:25", "text": "So in Kashmir also in 87 when the election took place and the 2 main opposing parties combined, there was a opposition that was created." }, { "end_time": "12:36", "start_time": "12:34", "text": "That was the Muslim United Fund." }, { "end_time": "12:42", "start_time": "12:37", "text": "That Muslim United Fund's candidates, apparently in 87 election, were not allowed to win." }, { "end_time": "12:46", "start_time": "12:43", "text": "And as a consequence of that, there was a lot of disgruntlement." }, { "end_time": "12:56", "start_time": "12:46", "text": "So though there was a political party in power, there was an elected government that the actual acceptance and the mandate of that government is very questionable." }, { "end_time": "13:09", "start_time": "12:57", "text": "And it has been seen time and again that when there is a gap or, in governance, because there is a lack of acceptability of the government in power, then these kind of things begin to rise." }, { "end_time": "13:10", "start_time": "13:09", "text": "That is the reason why it happened." }, { "end_time": "13:11", "start_time": "13:10", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "13:14", "start_time": "13:12", "text": "Very young person perspective here." }, { "end_time": "13:21", "start_time": "13:14", "text": "A lot of people my age and younger only understand the Kashmir problem a little bit from news." }, { "end_time": "13:26", "start_time": "13:21", "text": "And nowadays from Twitter and this whole Kashmir Files movie that release and all the hype that was around it." }, { "end_time": "13:33", "start_time": "13:27", "text": "I'm sorry I'm taking it to the world of movies now but again this is how I have to commercially connect with the audience." }, { "end_time": "13:34", "start_time": "13:33", "text": "Have you watched the film?" }, { "end_time": "13:34", "start_time": "13:34", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "13:39", "start_time": "13:35", "text": "Did you think it was an accurate depiction of what happened?" }, { "end_time": "13:40", "start_time": "13:39", "text": "Not really." }, { "end_time": "13:40", "start_time": "13:40", "text": "It wasn't." }, { "end_time": "13:42", "start_time": "13:41", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "13:44", "start_time": "13:42", "text": "We're going to break down that thought entirely." }, { "end_time": "13:50", "start_time": "13:44", "text": "I want to understand what the truth is and only men like yourself who actually been there have a right to speak about the truth." }, { "end_time": "13:55", "start_time": "13:51", "text": "I want to again begin in a slightly morbid place, so I apologize." }, { "end_time": "13:58", "start_time": "13:56", "text": "But what was the most psychologically difficult thing you saw?" }, { "end_time": "14:08", "start_time": "13:58", "text": "And I ask you that for you to set a bar in terms of intensity and then explain the context if you're comfortable to do so." }, { "end_time": "14:09", "start_time": "14:09", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "14:17", "start_time": "14:09", "text": "I mean, well, I mean, one of the most, I think this is in context with the question you asked with regard to, Kashmir files." }, { "end_time": "14:19", "start_time": "14:17", "text": "Why it's not an accurate depiction." }, { "end_time": "14:23", "start_time": "14:19", "text": "It what happened with the Kashmiri Pandit is a very solid story, and there's no denying that." }, { "end_time": "14:30", "start_time": "14:24", "text": "But why I said it's not an accurate description is because the vilification of the Kashmiri Muslim is not justified." }, { "end_time": "14:31", "start_time": "14:30", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "14:36", "start_time": "14:31", "text": "And I'll give this to you because it connects with the exactly one of the most horrifying incidents that I've seen." }, { "end_time": "14:43", "start_time": "14:38", "text": "I was, what they call the subdivision, subdivisional police officer in Sanagar town." }, { "end_time": "14:47", "start_time": "14:44", "text": "And the heart of that, jurisdiction is Kotibak." }, { "end_time": "14:55", "start_time": "14:49", "text": "And, I was sitting in front of the, women's college in this, huge explosion took place." }, { "end_time": "15:00", "start_time": "14:56", "text": "And from this the distance of the sound I could make out, it had it had happened in my jurisdiction." }, { "end_time": "15:09", "start_time": "15:02", "text": "And I drove to the place, and, what I saw was, a completely abandoned street, which is called." }, { "end_time": "15:14", "start_time": "15:10", "text": "It must have been Naysaruk at one point, but this is part of the old town now." }, { "end_time": "15:22", "start_time": "15:15", "text": "And, there was a piece of pulsating meat, I would say, in the middle of the road." }, { "end_time": "15:32", "start_time": "15:23", "text": "No small shreds of flesh and blood splattered across the street and on the shutters of the shops, alongside." }, { "end_time": "15:44", "start_time": "15:34", "text": "I saw one thigh of a human being lying in one gutter and, one arm lying in another gutter." }, { "end_time": "15:51", "start_time": "15:44", "text": "And I remember there was a crow that picked up a hand and was too heavy for it to carry, so dropped it near me." }, { "end_time": "15:57", "start_time": "15:52", "text": "And this thing was still pulsating, and I immediately understood who the person was." }, { "end_time": "16:02", "start_time": "15:57", "text": "There was a this was an inspector of BSF by the name of Akbar, who's a Kashmiri Muslim." }, { "end_time": "16:08", "start_time": "16:04", "text": "He had been caught by, what was called the Al Umar Mujahideen." }, { "end_time": "16:13", "start_time": "16:09", "text": "And they had tied a bomb around him and blown him up in the middle of the street." }, { "end_time": "16:23", "start_time": "16:15", "text": "So when I when I picked up his dead body, I remember my PSOs came with me and we could barely walk there because, you know, the the boots were sticking to the ground." }, { "end_time": "16:27", "start_time": "16:23", "text": "By by dead body, you mean just Whatever that was left of the upper torso." }, { "end_time": "16:29", "start_time": "16:27", "text": "The rest of it had been blown up." }, { "end_time": "16:33", "start_time": "16:29", "text": "So we picked up that arm, that leg, and, that hand." }, { "end_time": "16:36", "start_time": "16:33", "text": "And, and the the sweater was over his face." }, { "end_time": "16:38", "start_time": "16:36", "text": "When I pulled the sweater, then I saw his face." }, { "end_time": "16:47", "start_time": "16:40", "text": "And such was the the, whole scene that my PSOs were completely transfixed." }, { "end_time": "16:48", "start_time": "16:47", "text": "They couldn't they know what to do." }, { "end_time": "16:58", "start_time": "16:49", "text": "So then I asked I said, get some cloth sheet, sack, whatever you can, to where we can put this remnants of this body." }, { "end_time": "17:02", "start_time": "16:58", "text": "And I, we there's nothing to lift it with." }, { "end_time": "17:13", "start_time": "17:02", "text": "So I actually picked up the dead body with it from its hair and put her into the sack and put the leg and the arm and everything because we we had to wanted to get it off the streets." }, { "end_time": "17:16", "start_time": "17:13", "text": "It is very, very disturbing scene." }, { "end_time": "17:19", "start_time": "17:17", "text": "And then the father of the son and the inspector came." }, { "end_time": "17:24", "start_time": "17:21", "text": "And I looked at him and I saw he was completely stoic." }, { "end_time": "17:26", "start_time": "17:24", "text": "No emotions in his face." }, { "end_time": "17:29", "start_time": "17:27", "text": "He just looked at the sack and he said, is this him?" }, { "end_time": "17:30", "start_time": "17:29", "text": "I said, yes." }, { "end_time": "17:32", "start_time": "17:30", "text": "That's what is left over." }, { "end_time": "17:35", "start_time": "17:34", "text": "So I put it in the vehicle." }, { "end_time": "17:36", "start_time": "17:35", "text": "He took it." }, { "end_time": "17:40", "start_time": "17:36", "text": "We got the fire brigade and washed the street and all that to just kind of normalize the whole thing." }, { "end_time": "17:47", "start_time": "17:40", "text": "Why I made this incident was that it is not that the Kashmirian Muslim did not sacrifice for the Indian cause in Kashmir." }, { "end_time": "17:49", "start_time": "17:47", "text": "That's the point of it." }, { "end_time": "17:49", "start_time": "17:49", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "17:51", "start_time": "17:49", "text": "Like you can't just categorize every single Kashmiri." }, { "end_time": "18:01", "start_time": "17:51", "text": "Most of us someone was against The mainstay of the movement against terrorism in JNK today is the Jammu Kashmir police, which is almost 70% Muslim." }, { "end_time": "18:03", "start_time": "18:02", "text": "This is what people need to know." }, { "end_time": "18:05", "start_time": "18:03", "text": "This is what they need to know." }, { "end_time": "18:05", "start_time": "18:05", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "18:08", "start_time": "18:06", "text": "Appreciate you saying that on my podcast." }, { "end_time": "18:11", "start_time": "18:08", "text": "And this is the reason we started this podcast." }, { "end_time": "18:18", "start_time": "18:11", "text": "I I don't feel like modern day television can get the truth out can get nuggets of truth out like this." }, { "end_time": "18:24", "start_time": "18:20", "text": "Did you have a conversation with his father after No." }, { "end_time": "18:26", "start_time": "18:24", "text": "I didn't have a conversation with his father after that." }, { "end_time": "18:28", "start_time": "18:26", "text": "What was in your mind?" }, { "end_time": "18:34", "start_time": "18:29", "text": "What was in my mind was the the acceptance of that old man when he saw his, son." }, { "end_time": "18:40", "start_time": "18:34", "text": "He must probably must have been as old as I am today with the son who's of a similar age." }, { "end_time": "18:48", "start_time": "18:40", "text": "I can I was well, look, I mean, I was trying to think what is what we're going through the heart and mind of this man who's picking up his child in this form?" }, { "end_time": "18:55", "start_time": "18:49", "text": "And, I was also looking I was thinking about, you know, look at the choice that this man must have had to make." }, { "end_time": "18:59", "start_time": "18:56", "text": "Because at that time, Kashmir was in a state of virtual revolt." }, { "end_time": "19:10", "start_time": "19:00", "text": "There was a vast minority which has had picked up arms, against the state, but the vast majority was was actually not really involved." }, { "end_time": "19:14", "start_time": "19:11", "text": "But you see, there is always what they call the tyranny of the minority." }, { "end_time": "19:20", "start_time": "19:14", "text": "That a very large vocal minority can actually suppress a very moderate reasonable majority." }, { "end_time": "19:25", "start_time": "19:21", "text": "That's why, you know, they say that tyranny actually survives on the the silence of the majority." }, { "end_time": "19:29", "start_time": "19:26", "text": "So that is it's a very typical case in cases of terrorism also." }, { "end_time": "19:39", "start_time": "19:29", "text": "Are you comfortable breaking down the demographics of the vast majority and the small minority at that time to draw the better picture?" }, { "end_time": "19:42", "start_time": "19:42", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "19:48", "start_time": "19:42", "text": "Like, there is oh, let me break down the demographic of this the demography of the state." }, { "end_time": "19:51", "start_time": "19:48", "text": "Do you can you visualize the map of the Yes, sir." }, { "end_time": "19:52", "start_time": "19:52", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "19:53", "start_time": "19:52", "text": "You see the map of the Jamun Kashmir." }, { "end_time": "20:01", "start_time": "19:53", "text": "You see, a squarish, territory with, like, 2 years taking out." }, { "end_time": "20:02", "start_time": "20:01", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "20:03", "start_time": "20:02", "text": "Now those 2 years are not with us." }, { "end_time": "20:04", "start_time": "20:03", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "20:10", "start_time": "20:04", "text": "One is, the part which is Aksai chain, which is a China, and the other part is that Gilgit Baltistan area, which is with Pakistan." }, { "end_time": "20:18", "start_time": "20:10", "text": "So we basically have, like a triangular, piece in between in that square with 2 years." }, { "end_time": "20:22", "start_time": "20:18", "text": "And when we say border with Pakistan, it's actually the edge of the triangle." }, { "end_time": "20:26", "start_time": "20:22", "text": "There is the border of Pakistan is up to Akhnoor in Jammu region." }, { "end_time": "20:30", "start_time": "20:26", "text": "Thereafter is what is we call the line of actual or the line of control." }, { "end_time": "20:33", "start_time": "20:30", "text": "Line of actual control is actually used in terms of China." }, { "end_time": "20:35", "start_time": "20:33", "text": "This is the line of control." }, { "end_time": "20:41", "start_time": "20:36", "text": "So, this is to this is a law." }, { "end_time": "20:45", "start_time": "20:41", "text": "I mean, we can relate to the history of the entire Kashmir movement also." }, { "end_time": "20:49", "start_time": "20:45", "text": "So when you approach J and K State from Punjab side, it has got the Dogras." }, { "end_time": "20:57", "start_time": "20:50", "text": "The Dogras are essentially a people who lived in parts of Northern Punjab, Himachal Pradesh, and in Jammu, division." }, { "end_time": "21:03", "start_time": "20:57", "text": "They're basically that population, Bisholi, Chamba, that population." }, { "end_time": "21:06", "start_time": "21:04", "text": "Dogri is akin to Punjabi." }, { "end_time": "21:14", "start_time": "21:07", "text": "When you move towards the west from Jammu side, you go to a Jodipunj, which is, again, Punjabi speaking, but this week, Pahari version of Punjabi." }, { "end_time": "21:23", "start_time": "21:14", "text": "You got go a little north when you reach the Pita Punjab, then you have got, on, the east side, the area of Doda, Kishwar." }, { "end_time": "21:28", "start_time": "21:23", "text": "There are a mixture of Kashmiri and the Jamba people." }, { "end_time": "21:29", "start_time": "21:28", "text": "What is Chamba people?" }, { "end_time": "21:30", "start_time": "21:30", "text": "Himachalis." }, { "end_time": "21:31", "start_time": "21:30", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "21:35", "start_time": "21:31", "text": "So their, their feature wise are also a mixture and language wise also a mixture." }, { "end_time": "21:39", "start_time": "21:35", "text": "But their way a very similar limited the mixture of both the languages." }, { "end_time": "21:42", "start_time": "21:39", "text": "And then you go up to north into into Kashmir Valley." }, { "end_time": "21:47", "start_time": "21:42", "text": "Now Kashmir Valley is about a 100 kilometers long and 20 kilometers wide." }, { "end_time": "21:53", "start_time": "21:47", "text": "Where pure Sunni Kashmiri Muslims live with some, Shias also." }, { "end_time": "21:57", "start_time": "21:54", "text": "They are all surrounded by mountains where again, party Muslims live." }, { "end_time": "22:02", "start_time": "21:57", "text": "So this is the linguistic and racial breakup of the state." }, { "end_time": "22:07", "start_time": "22:02", "text": "The main movement actually was from the Kashmiri Muslims of the Sunni, which is in that belt." }, { "end_time": "22:11", "start_time": "22:08", "text": "The parties were not with them, but later on, they also got involved." }, { "end_time": "22:15", "start_time": "22:13", "text": "So this is the the thing." }, { "end_time": "22:18", "start_time": "22:15", "text": "If you actually calculate this type of population, it's in the minority." }, { "end_time": "22:29", "start_time": "22:19", "text": "The one that resides in that 100 by 2 20 kilometer stretch that is in the which sparked it off, Which is tactical because they are the basically mind of the the the state." }, { "end_time": "22:30", "start_time": "22:29", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "22:39", "start_time": "22:30", "text": "Now while we are breaking down this truth of Kashmir files section, in no way are we defending the atrocities committed." }, { "end_time": "22:40", "start_time": "22:39", "text": "Like, I want to make that clear." }, { "end_time": "22:41", "start_time": "22:40", "text": "This is just a podcasters." }, { "end_time": "22:42", "start_time": "22:42", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "22:46", "start_time": "22:42", "text": "See, as I said that, you know, the what happened with the Kashmiri pandemic is a very horrific incident." }, { "end_time": "22:52", "start_time": "22:47", "text": "And there's no doubt that the people who perpetrated it had it in mind to do ethnic cleansing." }, { "end_time": "22:56", "start_time": "22:53", "text": "Unfortunately, even the people who are pretending to be secular." }, { "end_time": "22:58", "start_time": "22:56", "text": "It is the the JKLFPP." }, { "end_time": "23:01", "start_time": "22:59", "text": "They also in that it was on a on a religious line." }, { "end_time": "23:02", "start_time": "23:01", "text": "No doubt about it." }, { "end_time": "23:14", "start_time": "23:02", "text": "But the fact is that then if you look at the figures of people who died in the valley, the number of Pandits killed is very small compared to the very large number of Kashmiri Muslims who died." }, { "end_time": "23:16", "start_time": "23:14", "text": "And most of them were killed by the terrorists." }, { "end_time": "23:17", "start_time": "23:17", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "23:18", "start_time": "23:17", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "23:21", "start_time": "23:18", "text": "So obviously, it's not that their entire population was with them." }, { "end_time": "23:23", "start_time": "23:22", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "23:27", "start_time": "23:23", "text": "So you see, there were big factors that people who are in the administration." }, { "end_time": "23:28", "start_time": "23:27", "text": "They were not with terrorism." }, { "end_time": "23:33", "start_time": "23:28", "text": "People who are in the administration and the police whose families were not with terrorism." }, { "end_time": "23:35", "start_time": "23:33", "text": "They were political parties." }, { "end_time": "23:37", "start_time": "23:35", "text": "They were to the Congress, the national conference." }, { "end_time": "23:39", "start_time": "23:37", "text": "Later on, of course, we had the PDP." }, { "end_time": "23:41", "start_time": "23:39", "text": "But when this was happening, PDP didn't exist." }, { "end_time": "23:44", "start_time": "23:41", "text": "But these parties had large followings." }, { "end_time": "23:48", "start_time": "23:45", "text": "It's not that the elections didn't have people voting in it." }, { "end_time": "23:51", "start_time": "23:48", "text": "So there was a general acceptance of the Indian state." }, { "end_time": "23:53", "start_time": "23:51", "text": "Also, it's not that it is only that there was separatism." }, { "end_time": "23:56", "start_time": "23:54", "text": "That's why I said the vast majority was there, but it was silent." }, { "end_time": "24:01", "start_time": "23:57", "text": "So, like, when we went into the valley, the major political leaders had all moved out." }, { "end_time": "24:02", "start_time": "24:01", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "24:02", "start_time": "24:02", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "24:06", "start_time": "24:04", "text": "What sparked of the need for ethnic cleansing?" }, { "end_time": "24:12", "start_time": "24:08", "text": "I think ethnic cleansing had its roots in a lot of historical angst." }, { "end_time": "24:13", "start_time": "24:12", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "24:36", "start_time": "24:13", "text": "So prior to the rule of the, the current rule in the sense when they joined India and became democratic, It was ruled by the Dogras, where the Kashmiri Pandit and the Dogras and, which included the Muslims and large number of Hindu, Hindus also, were the main stakeholders in Kashmir." }, { "end_time": "24:40", "start_time": "24:37", "text": "So you would have people like the wazir, the fish to add over there." }, { "end_time": "24:45", "start_time": "24:40", "text": "They would have the, very many program people holding big estates over there." }, { "end_time": "24:50", "start_time": "24:45", "text": "The people, Kashmiri Muslims who had large holdings of land or any other business were very small." }, { "end_time": "24:58", "start_time": "24:51", "text": "I mean, to come to think of it, the actual movement started off by Sheikh Abdullah, who was a Kashmir's first MSC." }, { "end_time": "25:01", "start_time": "24:58", "text": "And he was refused the government job." }, { "end_time": "25:02", "start_time": "25:02", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "25:03", "start_time": "25:02", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "25:05", "start_time": "25:03", "text": "So, you know, that it is." }, { "end_time": "25:06", "start_time": "25:05", "text": "It's very similar thing." }, { "end_time": "25:13", "start_time": "25:06", "text": "I mean, like if Gandhi hadn't been thrown off the train at, meet Pete, Baritzburg, then this wouldn't have happened." }, { "end_time": "25:16", "start_time": "25:13", "text": "You see this and every individual has it in him." }, { "end_time": "25:17", "start_time": "25:16", "text": "There's something that happens." }, { "end_time": "25:18", "start_time": "25:17", "text": "It sparks it off." }, { "end_time": "25:20", "start_time": "25:18", "text": "So in this case, it was that." }, { "end_time": "25:26", "start_time": "25:20", "text": "So I'm sure Sheikh Abdullah represented a general sentiment of the Kashmiri Muslims and it got sparked off." }, { "end_time": "25:27", "start_time": "25:26", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "25:36", "start_time": "25:27", "text": "So maybe for years, the average Kashmiri Muslim or at least that one minority community had felt some sort of suppression or subjugation." }, { "end_time": "25:39", "start_time": "25:37", "text": "But they did and was not misplaced." }, { "end_time": "25:39", "start_time": "25:39", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "25:53", "start_time": "25:39", "text": "You see, if you go back into history of Kashmir, from the time that, Yusuf Shah Chuck was Kashmir's ruler, was actually betrayed by Akbar." }, { "end_time": "25:58", "start_time": "25:53", "text": "Akbar invited him for an agreement and then arrested him and exiled him to Bihar." }, { "end_time": "25:59", "start_time": "25:58", "text": "He's buried in Bhagalpur." }, { "end_time": "26:01", "start_time": "26:00", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "26:04", "start_time": "26:01", "text": "Thereafter, you had the Mughal rule." }, { "end_time": "26:08", "start_time": "26:04", "text": "The Mughal rule was followed by, a a patent rule." }, { "end_time": "26:13", "start_time": "26:08", "text": "The patent rule was followed by the sick rule, and the sick rule was followed by the Dogra rule." }, { "end_time": "26:19", "start_time": "26:13", "text": "So so from that time onwards, till they they joined India, they Kashmiri never had an opportunity ruling himself." }, { "end_time": "26:20", "start_time": "26:20", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "26:24", "start_time": "26:21", "text": "So they always had this little thing about being surprised." }, { "end_time": "26:28", "start_time": "26:24", "text": "We also talk in the similar terms, colonial rule, Muslim rule, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "26:30", "start_time": "26:28", "text": "So they also had their own narrative around this." }, { "end_time": "26:31", "start_time": "26:31", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "26:36", "start_time": "26:32", "text": "I have to bring you back to the Kashmiri fans conversation, sir." }, { "end_time": "26:41", "start_time": "26:37", "text": "When you saw the movie last year whenever it released, what was your first thought?" }, { "end_time": "26:44", "start_time": "26:42", "text": "First, I didn't want to see it." }, { "end_time": "26:44", "start_time": "26:44", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "26:52", "start_time": "26:45", "text": "Because I knew it would be all unrealistic portrayal of whatever, because I was seeing the conversations around it." }, { "end_time": "27:00", "start_time": "26:52", "text": "Then I actually, met some Kashmiri Pandits who didn't like the film at all." }, { "end_time": "27:03", "start_time": "27:01", "text": "And they said this is a disservice to our community." }, { "end_time": "27:04", "start_time": "27:03", "text": "Really?" }, { "end_time": "27:09", "start_time": "27:04", "text": "He said it has been done by Kashmiri pundits and encouraged by that element, which is never going to go back to Kashmir." }, { "end_time": "27:16", "start_time": "27:10", "text": "But those of us who are going to go back to Kashmir will never find acceptance in Kashmir after this has happened." }, { "end_time": "27:20", "start_time": "27:16", "text": "Because it has painted it has vilified the entire Muslim community." }, { "end_time": "27:28", "start_time": "27:21", "text": "So, I mean, when you are talking about the entire generations, there is an entire generation of Kashmiri Pandit who also had do not connect to the valley anymore." }, { "end_time": "27:36", "start_time": "27:29", "text": "So somebody was born in the eighties and had to flee the valley and has now settled in other parts of the country is getting into his forties now." }, { "end_time": "27:44", "start_time": "27:37", "text": "So that child is not really interested in going back or that young man is not interested in going back because he's built a life around it." }, { "end_time": "27:50", "start_time": "27:44", "text": "And try and they have done very well because the Kashmiri Pandit community is a very evolved community." }, { "end_time": "27:51", "start_time": "27:50", "text": "They study hard." }, { "end_time": "27:52", "start_time": "27:51", "text": "They work hard." }, { "end_time": "27:55", "start_time": "27:52", "text": "And, more or less, it's a civilizational issue." }, { "end_time": "27:58", "start_time": "27:55", "text": "They have capacities of thinking that women are also very well educated." }, { "end_time": "28:00", "start_time": "27:58", "text": "So the family has a very good culture." }, { "end_time": "28:04", "start_time": "28:01", "text": "So therefore, I mean, why would they want to go back to the valley?" }, { "end_time": "28:13", "start_time": "28:05", "text": "But there are many of them who are nostalgic and want to go back to the valley, and it is impossible to settle people if the vast majority do not accept you." }, { "end_time": "28:17", "start_time": "28:13", "text": "Even if they don't come and kill you, and they just don't accept you, you'll find it difficult." }, { "end_time": "28:26", "start_time": "28:17", "text": "Because you're saying that the movie, showed a tiny portion of Kashmiri Muslims doing No." }, { "end_time": "28:30", "start_time": "28:27", "text": "The tiny portion of the Muslims were doing what they did." }, { "end_time": "28:30", "start_time": "28:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:33", "start_time": "28:30", "text": "But the movie they portrayed, everybody has has done it." }, { "end_time": "28:34", "start_time": "28:33", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "28:34", "start_time": "28:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:35", "start_time": "28:34", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "28:38", "start_time": "28:35", "text": "That's the, idea that I was trying to get." }, { "end_time": "28:44", "start_time": "28:38", "text": "For example, like buying the house and then betraying the my parent child when he comes back, you know, and all that story." }, { "end_time": "28:47", "start_time": "28:44", "text": "And then, you know, it was it was it was, I mean, rather poor." }, { "end_time": "28:50", "start_time": "28:47", "text": "I think what happened to them was terrible." }, { "end_time": "28:51", "start_time": "28:50", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "28:54", "start_time": "28:51", "text": "And I've been witness to some of the incidents mindset." }, { "end_time": "28:59", "start_time": "28:54", "text": "Before we get to it, do you want to draw out some of the positives of the movie so people understand that we're just trying to break it down?" }, { "end_time": "29:02", "start_time": "28:59", "text": "As a podcaster, I'm always supposed to just extract information." }, { "end_time": "29:03", "start_time": "29:03", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "29:06", "start_time": "29:03", "text": "But I bring in the we can give a balance to it." }, { "end_time": "29:08", "start_time": "29:06", "text": "What is you give me the balance." }, { "end_time": "29:16", "start_time": "29:09", "text": "See, in the the fact is that, the story of the Kashmiri Pandit needed to be brought out." }, { "end_time": "29:22", "start_time": "29:17", "text": "Somebody had to speak about what happened to them, how they were treated." }, { "end_time": "29:28", "start_time": "29:22", "text": "And I think the biggest problem that the Pandit faced was that he was given more empathy." }, { "end_time": "29:32", "start_time": "29:30", "text": "They were not a not a poor community." }, { "end_time": "29:33", "start_time": "29:32", "text": "They were a fairly prosperous community." }, { "end_time": "29:40", "start_time": "29:33", "text": "They were suddenly overnight or appropriate and dumped into this, I would not even call it a tent." }, { "end_time": "29:43", "start_time": "29:41", "text": "And I would say it was like a jugdi." }, { "end_time": "29:54", "start_time": "29:44", "text": "So you have been dumped into that in a sweltering heat when you come from an extremely, nice, area where the weather is always been good." }, { "end_time": "29:55", "start_time": "29:54", "text": "The place is beautiful." }, { "end_time": "29:59", "start_time": "29:55", "text": "Here you come into a dusty stormy I mean, dusty warm place." }, { "end_time": "30:01", "start_time": "29:59", "text": "You're not accustomed to at all." }, { "end_time": "30:02", "start_time": "30:01", "text": "And completely uprooted." }, { "end_time": "30:04", "start_time": "30:02", "text": "Your life is, like, completely at sea." }, { "end_time": "30:06", "start_time": "30:04", "text": "So that was a terrible story." }, { "end_time": "30:07", "start_time": "30:07", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "30:11", "start_time": "30:08", "text": "The fact that it got recognition so late is also is a big misfortune." }, { "end_time": "30:21", "start_time": "30:12", "text": "But I think it could have been done in a much nicer way when the tragedy of it was could have been brought up because every Kashmiri Muslim did not want to this to happen." }, { "end_time": "30:24", "start_time": "30:22", "text": "In fact, I would say most of them did not want this to happen." }, { "end_time": "30:27", "start_time": "30:24", "text": "When I went there, most of them would regret what happened." }, { "end_time": "30:29", "start_time": "30:28", "text": "They were very sorrowful." }, { "end_time": "30:32", "start_time": "30:29", "text": "Large number of them wanted to blame Jib Mohan for allowing it to happen." }, { "end_time": "30:38", "start_time": "30:33", "text": "And at a personal level, I do feel that the state failed." }, { "end_time": "30:43", "start_time": "30:39", "text": "The primary duty of the state is to protect the life and and properties of their citizens." }, { "end_time": "30:47", "start_time": "30:44", "text": "So at that time, the state should have stood up for the pandemic." }, { "end_time": "30:49", "start_time": "30:47", "text": "There were plenty of forces." }, { "end_time": "30:51", "start_time": "30:49", "text": "After all, you pumped in a huge number of forces." }, { "end_time": "30:54", "start_time": "30:51", "text": "You could have created a situation where you could have protected some of them." }, { "end_time": "30:55", "start_time": "30:54", "text": "Some they would have been attrition." }, { "end_time": "31:01", "start_time": "30:55", "text": "It's not that people you could have ensured that everybody lived, but at least you could have contained the sense of fear." }, { "end_time": "31:01", "start_time": "31:01", "text": "How?" }, { "end_time": "31:05", "start_time": "31:02", "text": "The see one was that the pandas largely lived in localities." }, { "end_time": "31:11", "start_time": "31:06", "text": "So you could you could actually, you know, protect those those localities." }, { "end_time": "31:13", "start_time": "31:11", "text": "Could could, like, you have gated colonies today." }, { "end_time": "31:17", "start_time": "31:13", "text": "Could create a we have created a gated colony and protected them there." }, { "end_time": "31:18", "start_time": "31:17", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "31:26", "start_time": "31:18", "text": "And there's a bunch of more strategies like this, which as a cop, you know, because you practically done it in your own career." }, { "end_time": "31:33", "start_time": "31:26", "text": "And you're saying at that time, they could have just green, lighted these strategies, which definitely would have been pitched by someone." }, { "end_time": "31:40", "start_time": "31:34", "text": "So the general belief is that I mean, a lot of people blame Jig Mohan for allowing this migration to take place." }, { "end_time": "31:49", "start_time": "31:40", "text": "In sec in fact, they said that he facilitated it by providing trucks and all from the army and from the paramilitary to to move the pandits out, which is also not untrue." }, { "end_time": "31:50", "start_time": "31:49", "text": "That is the point." }, { "end_time": "31:55", "start_time": "31:50", "text": "You'll have to give full context to those people who don't know who Jagmon is, like full story." }, { "end_time": "32:00", "start_time": "31:55", "text": "See, Jagmon was the governor of, of Jammu and Kashmir at that time." }, { "end_time": "32:03", "start_time": "32:00", "text": "And Jagmon, Jagmon had a preferred checkered past." }, { "end_time": "32:09", "start_time": "32:03", "text": "Jammu was, infamous for, the Turkmen gate firings during the emergency period in in Old Delhi." }, { "end_time": "32:23", "start_time": "32:09", "text": "Then he went on to become governor, J and K around the 80 early eighties when he was he was actually responsible for dismissing Farooq's report, which is actually the trigger to what is currently happening." }, { "end_time": "32:26", "start_time": "32:23", "text": "And he was again sent back." }, { "end_time": "32:28", "start_time": "32:26", "text": "He came back, and then he was again sent back in 90." }, { "end_time": "32:34", "start_time": "32:28", "text": "So in 1990, Farooq Abdullah resigned as, chief minister, and the government, suddenly disappeared." }, { "end_time": "32:35", "start_time": "32:34", "text": "The movement is already on." }, { "end_time": "32:38", "start_time": "32:35", "text": "We had lots of people hitting the roads." }, { "end_time": "32:42", "start_time": "32:38", "text": "Jaghman came in and, to a very desperate situation." }, { "end_time": "32:45", "start_time": "32:42", "text": "And he then, give a free run." }, { "end_time": "32:49", "start_time": "32:45", "text": "There were a lot of mass killings or in the processions that took place." }, { "end_time": "32:51", "start_time": "32:49", "text": "But alongside this, this also happened." }, { "end_time": "32:57", "start_time": "32:51", "text": "So it was not that the use of force was anyway limited or that they weren't sufficient forces to deal with situation." }, { "end_time": "33:01", "start_time": "32:57", "text": "But you should have prioritized this instead of just allowing them to run." }, { "end_time": "33:04", "start_time": "33:01", "text": "And I think that made a very sad commentary on us." }, { "end_time": "33:11", "start_time": "33:04", "text": "So whereas when you're willing to vilify the Kashmiri Muslims, you should also accept that this this also happened." }, { "end_time": "33:13", "start_time": "33:11", "text": "That vilify the administration as well." }, { "end_time": "33:19", "start_time": "33:14", "text": "Well, I mean, I think that the people who took decisions at that time need to be held responsible for allowing this to happen." }, { "end_time": "33:22", "start_time": "33:19", "text": "How did they feel about it in the years that followed according to you?" }, { "end_time": "33:26", "start_time": "33:23", "text": "See, then the Kashmiri Pandit card became a card." }, { "end_time": "33:35", "start_time": "33:26", "text": "So but, I mean, there it was a terrible story, and I think the international community needed to know that what had happened to them." }, { "end_time": "33:35", "start_time": "33:35", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "33:38", "start_time": "33:35", "text": "You know that lots of people are gonna get to know through this podcast." }, { "end_time": "33:40", "start_time": "33:39", "text": "They're not going to watch the Kashmir Files." }, { "end_time": "33:48", "start_time": "33:40", "text": "There's going to be a segment that will just listen to this podcast, which is why I'm asking you such, for a lack of better word, intense or edgy questions." }, { "end_time": "33:50", "start_time": "33:48", "text": "I want, like, the full No." }, { "end_time": "33:50", "start_time": "33:50", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "33:55", "start_time": "33:50", "text": "I I think it see, the thing is that a subject has to be given its right treatment." }, { "end_time": "33:55", "start_time": "33:55", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "34:02", "start_time": "33:55", "text": "It should not get, it should not get, become a tool for a for a a narrative." }, { "end_time": "34:03", "start_time": "34:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:04", "start_time": "34:03", "text": "So that the story be true." }, { "end_time": "34:11", "start_time": "34:04", "text": "I mean, as I said, the the pundits, I mean, had a terrible time, but the reasons were very different." }, { "end_time": "34:17", "start_time": "34:11", "text": "So in films like Kashmir files and all will again try to vilify, a Kashmiri Muslim administration." }, { "end_time": "34:20", "start_time": "34:19", "text": "Only this happened." }, { "end_time": "34:27", "start_time": "34:20", "text": "No doubt, there was failure on the part of the popular government at that time, but the migration largely took place under the governor's rule." }, { "end_time": "34:28", "start_time": "34:28", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "34:33", "start_time": "34:30", "text": "Would you now like to talk about what you saw with your own eyes?" }, { "end_time": "34:37", "start_time": "34:34", "text": "Like the the incident shown in the movie?" }, { "end_time": "34:41", "start_time": "34:38", "text": "See, the incidents shown in the movie, I mean, they they've been dramatized." }, { "end_time": "34:46", "start_time": "34:41", "text": "But what I mean, in my opinion, I would say that there was some incidents that are even more horrible." }, { "end_time": "35:01", "start_time": "34:47", "text": "I remember, being woken up early morning and having to rush to Kralkod where there was a Kashmiri Pandit, lady and her daughter living in a small house over there." }, { "end_time": "35:07", "start_time": "35:01", "text": "And both had been raped, And they had been shot through the vagina." }, { "end_time": "35:12", "start_time": "35:10", "text": "The daughter had died on the spot." }, { "end_time": "35:14", "start_time": "35:12", "text": "The mother was still alive and not gone there." }, { "end_time": "35:16", "start_time": "35:15", "text": "And I took her to the hospital." }, { "end_time": "35:18", "start_time": "35:16", "text": "She died on the way." }, { "end_time": "35:20", "start_time": "35:18", "text": "Now is there anything more terrible than that?" }, { "end_time": "35:25", "start_time": "35:23", "text": "And that is that's the reality which I've seen." }, { "end_time": "35:32", "start_time": "35:25", "text": "So when you do this thing about crying and, you know, the the word lamenting, of course, it will all follow this kind of crying and lamentation." }, { "end_time": "35:34", "start_time": "35:33", "text": "But you're not swaying off a body and all that." }, { "end_time": "35:40", "start_time": "35:34", "text": "It's not if you told this story, that is probably more, heart wrenching than the what you tried to show in that film." }, { "end_time": "35:42", "start_time": "35:42", "text": "She was conscious?" }, { "end_time": "35:43", "start_time": "35:43", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "35:46", "start_time": "35:44", "text": "What did she tell you guys?" }, { "end_time": "35:48", "start_time": "35:46", "text": "She said, how is my daughter?" }, { "end_time": "35:50", "start_time": "35:49", "text": "Really?" }, { "end_time": "35:54", "start_time": "35:51", "text": "Was she, like She's very much all there." }, { "end_time": "36:00", "start_time": "35:58", "text": "But afraid and, like, don't know." }, { "end_time": "36:00", "start_time": "36:00", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "36:01", "start_time": "36:00", "text": "I think she was way beyond that." }, { "end_time": "36:03", "start_time": "36:01", "text": "She probably realized she was not gonna survive." }, { "end_time": "36:06", "start_time": "36:03", "text": "She's no concern whether her daughter was gonna survive." }, { "end_time": "36:08", "start_time": "36:06", "text": "She was sure she's passing away?" }, { "end_time": "36:08", "start_time": "36:08", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:13", "start_time": "36:08", "text": "But that kind of thing happening, you also have that sense of foreboding, but you know that." }, { "end_time": "36:16", "start_time": "36:13", "text": "How do you as a cop keep your resolve in that situation?" }, { "end_time": "36:19", "start_time": "36:18", "text": "Well, you have to do a duty." }, { "end_time": "36:22", "start_time": "36:19", "text": "You have to get on with your life, and it is it is a time is quite, this thing." }, { "end_time": "36:25", "start_time": "36:22", "text": "But there must be that one moment of, oh my god." }, { "end_time": "36:26", "start_time": "36:25", "text": "What am I seeing here?" }, { "end_time": "36:28", "start_time": "36:26", "text": "And then you have to control that in your own head." }, { "end_time": "36:36", "start_time": "36:29", "text": "So the more, the biggest sentiment that comes out is that you want to go and lash it out at somebody." }, { "end_time": "36:37", "start_time": "36:36", "text": "But the thing is on whom?" }, { "end_time": "36:40", "start_time": "36:37", "text": "Because the person who's done it is nowhere near within your age." }, { "end_time": "36:43", "start_time": "36:40", "text": "And probably at the end of the day, you may may not even know who it was." }, { "end_time": "36:46", "start_time": "36:45", "text": "Did they end up catching?" }, { "end_time": "36:48", "start_time": "36:47", "text": "I see." }, { "end_time": "36:50", "start_time": "36:48", "text": "At that time, attrition rates were so high." }, { "end_time": "36:52", "start_time": "36:50", "text": "Lots of militants were also getting killed." }, { "end_time": "36:55", "start_time": "36:52", "text": "Encounters would take place, you know, 4 or 5 militants would get killed and encounter." }, { "end_time": "36:57", "start_time": "36:55", "text": "You didn't know what act they had done." }, { "end_time": "37:02", "start_time": "36:57", "text": "Identification was a big problem because getting information and evidence is a huge issue." }, { "end_time": "37:04", "start_time": "37:03", "text": "People were scared." }, { "end_time": "37:06", "start_time": "37:04", "text": "Nobody would utter a word against the terrorists." }, { "end_time": "37:07", "start_time": "37:06", "text": "I wouldn't tell you." }, { "end_time": "37:08", "start_time": "37:07", "text": "The cops were scared." }, { "end_time": "37:11", "start_time": "37:08", "text": "Like, that was one of the biggest challenges we had to face." }, { "end_time": "37:15", "start_time": "37:15", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "37:26", "start_time": "37:17", "text": "When you have a body like that in the ambulance with you on the way to the hospital, are you are you also sure as the cop that this person is not going to make it?" }, { "end_time": "37:27", "start_time": "37:26", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "37:30", "start_time": "37:27", "text": "We are hoping that they make it, but, you know, you are also thinking 5050." }, { "end_time": "37:37", "start_time": "37:31", "text": "This if the bullet goes through from where it has gone, it's probably going to injure the major organs of the body." }, { "end_time": "37:40", "start_time": "37:37", "text": "So the chances of survival are are poor." }, { "end_time": "37:48", "start_time": "37:41", "text": "There is where you begin to under I mean, where you see and actually, to be honest with you, it was acts like this that brought the militancy down." }, { "end_time": "37:55", "start_time": "37:48", "text": "Militancy peaked in about 90, and by 93, 94, it had already been to see its decline." }, { "end_time": "38:02", "start_time": "37:56", "text": "So the popular movement is what we would call the reward of the insurgency, died out very fast." }, { "end_time": "38:05", "start_time": "38:02", "text": "Because when this criminalization took place, people didn't support it." }, { "end_time": "38:11", "start_time": "38:05", "text": "Now you wouldn't have found a majority of Kashmiri Muslims coming out against the sect." }, { "end_time": "38:15", "start_time": "38:11", "text": "They won't speak, but it's a closed community." }, { "end_time": "38:16", "start_time": "38:15", "text": "The world travels fast." }, { "end_time": "38:19", "start_time": "38:17", "text": "So they were all resentful of it." }, { "end_time": "38:25", "start_time": "38:19", "text": "I mean, I could make out from the expression on the faces of the SHO and the constables of the police station who came over there." }, { "end_time": "38:26", "start_time": "38:25", "text": "Who are Muslims?" }, { "end_time": "38:27", "start_time": "38:26", "text": "Who are Muslims." }, { "end_time": "38:30", "start_time": "38:27", "text": "And I could see from their faces what what is going through them." }, { "end_time": "38:33", "start_time": "38:30", "text": "They were, I mean, mortified, ashamed." }, { "end_time": "38:39", "start_time": "38:33", "text": "I I do believe and I say this on the basis of all my Muslim friends that I've spoken to about this worldwide." }, { "end_time": "38:56", "start_time": "38:39", "text": "Like, even say you meet an Arab in Arabia somewhere, you meet an Arab in Europe, and you get into a deep conversation, you'll always find this with the Muslim community that a few bad influences have actually brought shame to, like, the entire community." }, { "end_time": "38:59", "start_time": "38:57", "text": "This is a worldwide guilt thing." }, { "end_time": "39:12", "start_time": "38:59", "text": "It's this whole thing about, so their so called enemies, which are the religions, will say things like all Muslims are not terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims." }, { "end_time": "39:18", "start_time": "39:12", "text": "Like, there is this narrative in the world as well, which is why the Muslim community is bearing the brunt right now." }, { "end_time": "39:22", "start_time": "39:18", "text": "Even if there are good people within the Muslim community and as you said, the majority is good." }, { "end_time": "39:28", "start_time": "39:22", "text": "Because of that one sliver of bad, the entire community worldwide is getting a bad name." }, { "end_time": "39:35", "start_time": "39:28", "text": "See, I'll tell you one thing, Ranveer, is that when you get into that discussion, you will actually land up in the Garden of Eden." }, { "end_time": "39:37", "start_time": "39:36", "text": "In the what?" }, { "end_time": "39:38", "start_time": "39:37", "text": "Garden of Eden." }, { "end_time": "39:41", "start_time": "39:38", "text": "That's about Adam and Eve, the beginning of civilization." }, { "end_time": "39:43", "start_time": "39:41", "text": "So these are these are human affairs." }, { "end_time": "39:46", "start_time": "39:43", "text": "You know, one translates into another, you know, things happen." }, { "end_time": "39:47", "start_time": "39:46", "text": "BPP behave." }, { "end_time": "39:50", "start_time": "39:47", "text": "See, human behavior is the most erratic thing." }, { "end_time": "39:53", "start_time": "39:50", "text": "You and I have having this conversation for some time." }, { "end_time": "39:58", "start_time": "39:54", "text": "Where it started, where it is right now, and where it's going to end, you and I don't know." }, { "end_time": "40:04", "start_time": "39:59", "text": "What you were feeling at the beginning of the conversation and what you're feeling now is a a two way different things." }, { "end_time": "40:07", "start_time": "40:04", "text": "What I was feeling at the beginning of this conversation is very different." }, { "end_time": "40:09", "start_time": "40:07", "text": "So human nature transit very quickly." }, { "end_time": "40:13", "start_time": "40:10", "text": "So therefore, you know, what happens in human affairs?" }, { "end_time": "40:17", "start_time": "40:13", "text": "You can all be wise by hindsight, but future is very difficult." }, { "end_time": "40:17", "start_time": "40:17", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "40:21", "start_time": "40:18", "text": "So you're saying it's important to just focus on the present." }, { "end_time": "40:22", "start_time": "40:21", "text": "Highlight what's going on." }, { "end_time": "40:25", "start_time": "40:22", "text": "You have to understand what is how the present is." }, { "end_time": "40:29", "start_time": "40:25", "text": "You the good leaders are the ones who can actually anticipate the future." }, { "end_time": "40:30", "start_time": "40:30", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "40:32", "start_time": "40:31", "text": "Good leaders in any position?" }, { "end_time": "40:34", "start_time": "40:33", "text": "The leaders are every at all levels." }, { "end_time": "40:36", "start_time": "40:34", "text": "You'll have your community leaders." }, { "end_time": "40:37", "start_time": "40:36", "text": "You've got your national leaders." }, { "end_time": "40:38", "start_time": "40:37", "text": "You've got international leaders." }, { "end_time": "40:39", "start_time": "40:38", "text": "You've got religious leaders." }, { "end_time": "40:42", "start_time": "40:39", "text": "You've got leaders on the social field." }, { "end_time": "40:44", "start_time": "40:42", "text": "You are a leader also in your own way." }, { "end_time": "40:48", "start_time": "40:44", "text": "You lead a very big you have a very big following in the podcast." }, { "end_time": "40:54", "start_time": "40:48", "text": "So you will also be determined by the way you bring out your podcast as to what the society is gonna think." }, { "end_time": "40:54", "start_time": "40:54", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "40:59", "start_time": "40:55", "text": "Was this the most intense thing you saw in those 3 years?" }, { "end_time": "41:05", "start_time": "40:59", "text": "I mean, these two incidents have a had a telling impact on me from what I I think there were lots of things that happened." }, { "end_time": "41:10", "start_time": "41:05", "text": "Did you ever get to have a long detailed conversation with an insurgent?" }, { "end_time": "41:13", "start_time": "41:11", "text": "Well, I used to spend lots of time with them." }, { "end_time": "41:14", "start_time": "41:13", "text": "Let's talk about this." }, { "end_time": "41:18", "start_time": "41:14", "text": "First, let's begin with what's the difference between terrorist and insurgent." }, { "end_time": "41:19", "start_time": "41:18", "text": "So okay." }, { "end_time": "41:24", "start_time": "41:19", "text": "Let me begin the define for you the stages in which it happens." }, { "end_time": "41:30", "start_time": "41:24", "text": "So so you have a situation where there is an open revolt." }, { "end_time": "41:33", "start_time": "41:30", "text": "That is the majority of the population is against the state." }, { "end_time": "41:37", "start_time": "41:35", "text": "Something that we saw during our freedom struggle." }, { "end_time": "41:42", "start_time": "41:37", "text": "When we say majority of the population, it doesn't mean that everybody's gonna come out with the streets and start fighting." }, { "end_time": "41:44", "start_time": "41:42", "text": "But the general sentiment is against it." }, { "end_time": "41:47", "start_time": "41:44", "text": "And do the people who fight against the state get support?" }, { "end_time": "41:50", "start_time": "41:47", "text": "This was a similar situation that you did have in the valley." }, { "end_time": "41:57", "start_time": "41:51", "text": "The vast majority of them may not have liked the the the violence, but they were not unsympathetic." }, { "end_time": "42:03", "start_time": "41:59", "text": "They all felt that even if these people are doing taking the wrong part, they are for the right cause." }, { "end_time": "42:07", "start_time": "42:05", "text": "Then, you know, the public support begins to fade." }, { "end_time": "42:19", "start_time": "42:08", "text": "So then you want to have is identifiable groups of people armed who roam around, in, like, in in military form in large bodies, and they fight against the state." }, { "end_time": "42:22", "start_time": "42:19", "text": "So that's when you come into a state, which you call insurgencies." }, { "end_time": "42:33", "start_time": "42:24", "text": "I've had an occasion where very close to the deputy commissioner's office in SINNAGARA have actually been walking up and come to a point there on the 14th August." }, { "end_time": "42:39", "start_time": "42:33", "text": "There was a flag of western for Pakistan and there were terrorists over there giving a salute to that flag." }, { "end_time": "42:40", "start_time": "42:39", "text": "When was this?" }, { "end_time": "42:42", "start_time": "42:41", "text": "90." }, { "end_time": "42:42", "start_time": "42:42", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "42:46", "start_time": "42:43", "text": "So that is a very insurgency kind of situation." }, { "end_time": "42:55", "start_time": "42:46", "text": "Let's get into the shoes of that boy who goes from being a boy born into India, having a normal life, and then suddenly choosing insurgency." }, { "end_time": "42:59", "start_time": "42:55", "text": "What is his circumstances that have led him to getting into insurgency?" }, { "end_time": "43:05", "start_time": "42:59", "text": "Is it the influence of friends, influence of people around, influence of a lack of education, all these factors, or am I missing something?" }, { "end_time": "43:08", "start_time": "43:06", "text": "Well, let me ask you a counter, please." }, { "end_time": "43:08", "start_time": "43:08", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "43:11", "start_time": "43:10", "text": "Why do you think the way you think?" }, { "end_time": "43:13", "start_time": "43:11", "text": "What are the influences that were?" }, { "end_time": "43:15", "start_time": "43:13", "text": "Education that I've gone through." }, { "end_time": "43:21", "start_time": "43:15", "text": "And education doesn't just mean the books you read, but the way your teachers interacted with you, the students studying with you, the sports you played." }, { "end_time": "43:27", "start_time": "43:21", "text": "All my perspectives in childhood added up to a large degree, and they're still adding up." }, { "end_time": "43:29", "start_time": "43:27", "text": "Perspectives in childhood build by whom?" }, { "end_time": "43:31", "start_time": "43:29", "text": "People around you." }, { "end_time": "43:32", "start_time": "43:32", "text": "Like?" }, { "end_time": "43:33", "start_time": "43:33", "text": "Parents." }, { "end_time": "43:36", "start_time": "43:34", "text": "So parents are going to bring history with you." }, { "end_time": "43:48", "start_time": "43:39", "text": "So we I mean, our mental makeup is large very to a very large extent made up by legacy, by history of societies and communities." }, { "end_time": "43:57", "start_time": "43:48", "text": "So a Kashmiri child would have been naturally come up with this whole argument, saying that, you know, the history of Kashmir I mean, the sovereignty of Kashmir is disputed." }, { "end_time": "44:02", "start_time": "43:58", "text": "It's disputed whether we are with to go with India or Pakistan or to become independent." }, { "end_time": "44:08", "start_time": "44:02", "text": "So he his whole issue about loyalty to the state is very, very questioned in his mind." }, { "end_time": "44:25", "start_time": "44:11", "text": "Added to that, if he sees circumstances which he thinks are only, but not only perpetuating, but actually exacerbating or rather enforcing his that little historical belief that's been put into his mind." }, { "end_time": "44:33", "start_time": "44:25", "text": "He will then think of and, sense of grievance because there's already a sense of residual grievance which comes from the parents." }, { "end_time": "44:36", "start_time": "44:33", "text": "So suddenly you finally, you know, an elected government is dismissed." }, { "end_time": "44:39", "start_time": "44:36", "text": "People have come onto the streets and just writing and shouting slogans." }, { "end_time": "44:48", "start_time": "44:39", "text": "In fact, the man who threw his own brother-in-law, Farooq Abdullah's brother-in-law, Gulam Mahinde, Gulam Mamachah, who who replaced him." }, { "end_time": "44:52", "start_time": "44:48", "text": "His popular name was Karfusha, or rather it was Gulkarfu." }, { "end_time": "45:10", "start_time": "45:06", "text": "A, because of the 3 or more, like, what?" }, { "end_time": "45:16", "start_time": "45:10", "text": "500 odd days that he govern the state, he was half of it was undercover." }, { "end_time": "45:20", "start_time": "45:16", "text": "So you then you have that kind of environment." }, { "end_time": "45:22", "start_time": "45:20", "text": "Now nobody talks about that." }, { "end_time": "45:35", "start_time": "45:22", "text": "The period of 80 4 to 87 till the elections are held, which is part governors rule, part Gulshah's rule, the kind of upsurge upsurge that took place in the valley and the angst that was created, nobody talks about it." }, { "end_time": "45:39", "start_time": "45:35", "text": "And you know where from where where it was triggered, the agitation." }, { "end_time": "45:42", "start_time": "45:39", "text": "It was triggered by a film called Omar Mukhtar." }, { "end_time": "45:44", "start_time": "45:44", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "45:45", "start_time": "45:44", "text": "And what was within that film?" }, { "end_time": "45:53", "start_time": "45:45", "text": "Omar Mukhtar was actually a, Libyan rebel who fought against the Italian forces." }, { "end_time": "46:00", "start_time": "45:53", "text": "This film, in which the actor is a very famous actor, the man who's done shoes of the fishermen and all that." }, { "end_time": "46:02", "start_time": "46:00", "text": "I'm forgetting his name." }, { "end_time": "46:07", "start_time": "46:02", "text": "But, one of the very, very well known actors of the sixties." }, { "end_time": "46:08", "start_time": "46:07", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "46:13", "start_time": "46:08", "text": "So, again, it's a same conversation about us being viewed as colonizers on Kashmir." }, { "end_time": "46:14", "start_time": "46:13", "text": "That's what basically caused." }, { "end_time": "46:18", "start_time": "46:14", "text": "See, the thing is that if you go back historically, I explained the Akbar phenomena." }, { "end_time": "46:26", "start_time": "46:18", "text": "But if you bring it back into our our context, there were 2 events post independence that were were of major political importance." }, { "end_time": "46:40", "start_time": "46:26", "text": "1 was, the dismissal of an arrest of Sheikh Abdul in 1953 because he was the popularly elected chief I mean, the prime minister at that time of the state and who had a very large following." }, { "end_time": "46:48", "start_time": "46:41", "text": "And he was suddenly dismissed and and arrested and, again, replaced by his own lieutenant, Watshi Gul Aboh." }, { "end_time": "46:50", "start_time": "46:48", "text": "At that time also, there was a huge upset." }, { "end_time": "46:57", "start_time": "46:50", "text": "Then, in 1984 when Farooq Abdul has very democratically elected government." }, { "end_time": "47:06", "start_time": "46:57", "text": "In fact, the same Kashmir, 78 election in which sheikh Abdullah won after the Indra Sheikh Accord when he was released from jail." }, { "end_time": "47:09", "start_time": "47:06", "text": "And then in 83 when his son won the election." }, { "end_time": "47:15", "start_time": "47:10", "text": "Later on, they go on to say that 2,002 elections were also a fair election because then Mufti came into par." }, { "end_time": "47:18", "start_time": "47:15", "text": "That's where a lot of dynamics in Kashmir politics change." }, { "end_time": "47:22", "start_time": "47:18", "text": "And actually opened up the way for for now what you see as the current situation." }, { "end_time": "47:23", "start_time": "47:23", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "47:28", "start_time": "47:25", "text": "What were your conversations with the insurgents like?" }, { "end_time": "47:34", "start_time": "47:29", "text": "So I got my opportunity to meeting the insurgents, for the first time in, Baramulla." }, { "end_time": "47:40", "start_time": "47:35", "text": "1 is when I went to meet some of them in in jail because they would create keep creating problems." }, { "end_time": "47:40", "start_time": "47:40", "text": "Like what?" }, { "end_time": "47:42", "start_time": "47:41", "text": "I mean, there were large numbers there." }, { "end_time": "47:49", "start_time": "47:42", "text": "The jails are always overcrowded, so he would, they would, you know, go on a rampage or, you know, go on a hunger strike." }, { "end_time": "47:51", "start_time": "47:49", "text": "Rampage doesn't beat up people." }, { "end_time": "47:51", "start_time": "47:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:00", "start_time": "47:51", "text": "Start rapping up the the security guards, etcetera, and, you know, or or, you know, start shouting slogans or not eating their food, which is a very common thing." }, { "end_time": "48:04", "start_time": "48:00", "text": "So then you would have to, you know, intervene and deal with them." }, { "end_time": "48:09", "start_time": "48:04", "text": "So that time as to what sit with them inside the barracks and ask So, like, what is your problem?" }, { "end_time": "48:10", "start_time": "48:09", "text": "Why do you feel like that?" }, { "end_time": "48:12", "start_time": "48:10", "text": "So then they would come out with their feelings." }, { "end_time": "48:15", "start_time": "48:12", "text": "And largely, this was was constantly reflected." }, { "end_time": "48:20", "start_time": "48:15", "text": "And one thing I will tell you in the nineties, don't see it as a teenage movement." }, { "end_time": "48:21", "start_time": "48:21", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "48:25", "start_time": "48:21", "text": "It does not like that every 17, 18, 20 year old had picked up the gun and gone." }, { "end_time": "48:27", "start_time": "48:25", "text": "It was led by very well educated people." }, { "end_time": "48:29", "start_time": "48:27", "text": "Even Yassim Balik is not an idiot." }, { "end_time": "48:33", "start_time": "48:29", "text": "He's quite well educated and quite well read." }, { "end_time": "48:39", "start_time": "48:33", "text": "So then their thought process may be in the wrong place, but it came from a certain amount of rationing that you did." }, { "end_time": "48:46", "start_time": "48:39", "text": "You see, because when you are fighting the terrorist, you must not demean him." }, { "end_time": "48:48", "start_time": "48:47", "text": "Because you will never win that battle." }, { "end_time": "48:56", "start_time": "48:49", "text": "Because in the equation between the terrorist and you, whereas you think you are in the right, he also thinks he's in the right." }, { "end_time": "48:58", "start_time": "48:56", "text": "Both of you all think you are ethical." }, { "end_time": "48:58", "start_time": "48:58", "text": "You're what?" }, { "end_time": "48:59", "start_time": "48:58", "text": "You're ethical." }, { "end_time": "49:00", "start_time": "48:59", "text": "Who's ethical?" }, { "end_time": "49:00", "start_time": "49:00", "text": "Truly?" }, { "end_time": "49:01", "start_time": "49:00", "text": "That is the tragedy." }, { "end_time": "49:07", "start_time": "49:02", "text": "The tragedy is always when good, fights good." }, { "end_time": "49:11", "start_time": "49:08", "text": "Because in this case, if both in their minds are good." }, { "end_time": "49:15", "start_time": "49:11", "text": "And he might think he's good despite going about extremely violent acts." }, { "end_time": "49:17", "start_time": "49:16", "text": "Justifies it in his mind." }, { "end_time": "49:18", "start_time": "49:17", "text": "What is the justification?" }, { "end_time": "49:19", "start_time": "49:19", "text": "Sorry." }, { "end_time": "49:21", "start_time": "49:19", "text": "That he's fighting for a cause." }, { "end_time": "49:21", "start_time": "49:21", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "49:24", "start_time": "49:22", "text": "Now how do you navigate that conversation?" }, { "end_time": "49:31", "start_time": "49:25", "text": "So then you have to start reasoning with them and asking them, you know, why is it that you feel that way?" }, { "end_time": "49:34", "start_time": "49:31", "text": "And then they give their reasons and you count on it." }, { "end_time": "49:41", "start_time": "49:35", "text": "And they they have then you have to explain to them that, you know, they also are have got selective memories." }, { "end_time": "49:41", "start_time": "49:41", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "49:45", "start_time": "49:42", "text": "They will only pick up that part of the conversation that suits their argument." }, { "end_time": "49:48", "start_time": "49:46", "text": "It's like talking to people who are trying to climb up in politics." }, { "end_time": "49:52", "start_time": "49:50", "text": "Well, I mean, it's all about selective narrative." }, { "end_time": "49:56", "start_time": "49:53", "text": "But in their context also, it is it's exactly like that." }, { "end_time": "50:02", "start_time": "49:57", "text": "I've only had biased conversations with people on this show when they have political ambition." }, { "end_time": "50:11", "start_time": "50:03", "text": "Going forward, anyone has political ambition, they will not listen to your imports, not try to come down to the truth and just push them." }, { "end_time": "50:17", "start_time": "50:11", "text": "My thing is that I'm as a professional police officer, I think we cannot get involved in narratives." }, { "end_time": "50:19", "start_time": "50:17", "text": "We our work is with the people." }, { "end_time": "50:23", "start_time": "50:19", "text": "The police is meant only for one thing, and that is to police people." }, { "end_time": "50:25", "start_time": "50:23", "text": "And we have to understand how they think." }, { "end_time": "50:28", "start_time": "50:25", "text": "Were these guys eventually gonna get killed by No." }, { "end_time": "50:29", "start_time": "50:28", "text": "They were in jail." }, { "end_time": "50:29", "start_time": "50:29", "text": "Why would they get killed?" }, { "end_time": "50:30", "start_time": "50:29", "text": "They would get released." }, { "end_time": "50:32", "start_time": "50:31", "text": "They would serve their term and go." }, { "end_time": "50:40", "start_time": "50:32", "text": "So during the time that they serve their term, your intention as a human was let me see if I can soften this guy up and give him another version of the truth." }, { "end_time": "50:42", "start_time": "50:41", "text": "Precisely." }, { "end_time": "50:45", "start_time": "50:42", "text": "But it's also how you deal with them." }, { "end_time": "50:50", "start_time": "50:45", "text": "I'll give you an instance where I was SSP again in Baramulla and we used to have what we call the joint interrogation centers." }, { "end_time": "51:02", "start_time": "50:51", "text": "So people who were arrested were brought there and they would be interrogated by the intelligence agencies, the forces, the police, everybody, and a report will be prepared for everybody's consumption as to what was happening." }, { "end_time": "51:11", "start_time": "51:03", "text": "So I had come back from leave, and the charge of the JAC came and told me that the the people are not eating their food." }, { "end_time": "51:13", "start_time": "51:11", "text": "So they wondered what is." }, { "end_time": "51:16", "start_time": "51:15", "text": "Fine." }, { "end_time": "51:17", "start_time": "51:16", "text": "What is the problem?" }, { "end_time": "51:20", "start_time": "51:17", "text": "You said they are they think they want to meet you." }, { "end_time": "51:27", "start_time": "51:20", "text": "So I just come back from places dressed like in a pair of jeans and a jacket or whatever." }, { "end_time": "51:30", "start_time": "51:27", "text": "In those days, those baggy trousers are very, in fashion." }, { "end_time": "51:33", "start_time": "51:30", "text": "So I was wearing one of those with those high ankle shoes." }, { "end_time": "51:36", "start_time": "51:34", "text": "And the terrorists also dressed exactly like that." }, { "end_time": "51:38", "start_time": "51:36", "text": "So I just walked into the interrogation center." }, { "end_time": "51:40", "start_time": "51:38", "text": "So first, nobody noticed me." }, { "end_time": "51:42", "start_time": "51:40", "text": "They just thought I was one of the people there." }, { "end_time": "51:47", "start_time": "51:42", "text": "So I went there and stood at the door of 1 of the cells, and I was observing their conversation." }, { "end_time": "51:51", "start_time": "51:47", "text": "So they were happily chatting with each other, and then suddenly they observed that they are standing there." }, { "end_time": "51:52", "start_time": "51:51", "text": "This all fell silent." }, { "end_time": "51:58", "start_time": "51:52", "text": "So they looked at me and they said, they got up and one of them who's like their spokesman type of person." }, { "end_time": "51:59", "start_time": "51:58", "text": "So he said, k." }, { "end_time": "52:00", "start_time": "51:59", "text": "We've got some demands." }, { "end_time": "52:04", "start_time": "52:01", "text": "So I looked at him and I said, who's come here to listen to your demands?" }, { "end_time": "52:07", "start_time": "52:05", "text": "So he's looked at me and he was like quite baffled." }, { "end_time": "52:09", "start_time": "52:07", "text": "He thought, you know, I was I had come to know." }, { "end_time": "52:10", "start_time": "52:09", "text": "So I said, look here." }, { "end_time": "52:12", "start_time": "52:10", "text": "I've just come to ask you one question." }, { "end_time": "52:15", "start_time": "52:12", "text": "Are you going to eat your evening meal or not?" }, { "end_time": "52:19", "start_time": "52:15", "text": "Because I am paid 27 rupees per head, per day to give you food." }, { "end_time": "52:20", "start_time": "52:19", "text": "So you're gonna waste it." }, { "end_time": "52:24", "start_time": "52:21", "text": "Then I would rather keep the money and give you a better meal next time." }, { "end_time": "52:26", "start_time": "52:24", "text": "So we are saving for you." }, { "end_time": "52:31", "start_time": "52:26", "text": "So then they look even more, confused as to what is this man up to." }, { "end_time": "52:33", "start_time": "52:31", "text": "So then they said, k, that, you know, we have a few demands." }, { "end_time": "52:34", "start_time": "52:33", "text": "Just look here." }, { "end_time": "52:36", "start_time": "52:35", "text": "What is our relationship?" }, { "end_time": "52:37", "start_time": "52:37", "text": "I said, you're a Mujahid." }, { "end_time": "52:40", "start_time": "52:38", "text": "That's why fellow fights a jihad." }, { "end_time": "52:42", "start_time": "52:40", "text": "By that definition, I'm the zali." }, { "end_time": "52:44", "start_time": "52:43", "text": "I'm the oppressor." }, { "end_time": "52:46", "start_time": "52:44", "text": "I said, can we have a conversation?" }, { "end_time": "52:47", "start_time": "52:46", "text": "We can't." }, { "end_time": "52:48", "start_time": "52:47", "text": "So what do you ask?" }, { "end_time": "52:50", "start_time": "52:48", "text": "What are you wanting to have a conversation with me for?" }, { "end_time": "52:52", "start_time": "52:50", "text": "So he was even more confused." }, { "end_time": "52:55", "start_time": "52:52", "text": "So then I turned around and said, look here." }, { "end_time": "53:01", "start_time": "52:55", "text": "As a citizen of my country, if you ask me for anything, I'm obligated to give it to you." }, { "end_time": "53:04", "start_time": "53:01", "text": "So even if you consider yourself to be a mujahideen, you ask in any case." }, { "end_time": "53:06", "start_time": "53:04", "text": "So then they went on a very petty demand." }, { "end_time": "53:07", "start_time": "53:06", "text": "They immediately said, yeah." }, { "end_time": "53:07", "start_time": "53:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "53:08", "start_time": "53:07", "text": "I'll concede all of that." }, { "end_time": "53:09", "start_time": "53:08", "text": "What were the demands?" }, { "end_time": "53:15", "start_time": "53:09", "text": "One was that they wanted to go to the hospital more often, which is actually basically nothing but an excuse to go meet their family members." }, { "end_time": "53:18", "start_time": "53:15", "text": "2nd is that they wanted the barber to come more often." }, { "end_time": "53:22", "start_time": "53:18", "text": "3rd thing was some other some actually to write anything like that." }, { "end_time": "53:24", "start_time": "53:22", "text": "So explain to them and said, look at their limitations." }, { "end_time": "53:27", "start_time": "53:24", "text": "The numbers are large, but I'll meet their demands." }, { "end_time": "53:28", "start_time": "53:27", "text": "And then it quietened down." }, { "end_time": "53:28", "start_time": "53:28", "text": "Then they said, no." }, { "end_time": "53:28", "start_time": "53:28", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "53:30", "start_time": "53:28", "text": "You must have Namkeen chai with us." }, { "end_time": "53:31", "start_time": "53:30", "text": "So I sat with them in the head." }, { "end_time": "53:31", "start_time": "53:31", "text": "Really?" }, { "end_time": "53:32", "start_time": "53:32", "text": "Tried with them." }, { "end_time": "53:33", "start_time": "53:33", "text": "Got up and left." }, { "end_time": "53:35", "start_time": "53:33", "text": "What do you all talk about while having chai?" }, { "end_time": "53:38", "start_time": "53:36", "text": "That time was a very small mundane thing." }, { "end_time": "53:52", "start_time": "53:48", "text": "As in, like, they had business ambition or something." }, { "end_time": "53:52", "start_time": "53:52", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "53:54", "start_time": "53:52", "text": "They everybody has an ambition." }, { "end_time": "53:55", "start_time": "53:54", "text": "They thought that as a." }, { "end_time": "54:00", "start_time": "53:58", "text": "So what did they want to do in life?" }, { "end_time": "54:01", "start_time": "54:00", "text": "All sorts of things." }, { "end_time": "54:02", "start_time": "54:01", "text": "People had all sorts of visions." }, { "end_time": "54:09", "start_time": "54:04", "text": "What's the energy At the end of the day, they watch the Kashmiri youth things is what the what the global youth things." }, { "end_time": "54:09", "start_time": "54:09", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "54:13", "start_time": "54:09", "text": "There's no difference in the aspirations of that youth on this youth." }, { "end_time": "54:13", "start_time": "54:13", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "54:16", "start_time": "54:13", "text": "Did they look at you differently because you were Hindu?" }, { "end_time": "54:21", "start_time": "54:17", "text": "To be honest with you, a certain segment did, but largely not." }, { "end_time": "54:24", "start_time": "54:21", "text": "Even within the insurgent groups." }, { "end_time": "54:33", "start_time": "54:24", "text": "They just looked at you as enemy, not like See, one thing I had an advantage about is because I never I've actually ever looked at it in the Hindu Muslim context." }, { "end_time": "54:35", "start_time": "54:33", "text": "They saw me as an Indian versus Kashmiri." }, { "end_time": "54:36", "start_time": "54:36", "text": "Ah, okay." }, { "end_time": "54:40", "start_time": "54:36", "text": "And because they would see other Muslim cops also as just Indians." }, { "end_time": "54:41", "start_time": "54:40", "text": "These are enemies." }, { "end_time": "54:41", "start_time": "54:41", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "54:43", "start_time": "54:41", "text": "No difference between a Hindu cop and a Muslim cop." }, { "end_time": "54:44", "start_time": "54:43", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "54:44", "start_time": "54:44", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "54:48", "start_time": "54:44", "text": "I'm not saying that some didn't see it as Hindu, but largely." }, { "end_time": "54:56", "start_time": "54:48", "text": "You know, the secular angle that you and me are taking on this conversation, I can totally sense, and I'm sure audiences also know that you're a secular dude." }, { "end_time": "54:56", "start_time": "54:56", "text": "Sorry." }, { "end_time": "54:57", "start_time": "54:56", "text": "I'm calling you a dude." }, { "end_time": "55:01", "start_time": "54:57", "text": "Like, no disrespect, It's fine." }, { "end_time": "55:05", "start_time": "55:04", "text": "Alright, dude." }, { "end_time": "55:13", "start_time": "55:05", "text": "So, but just taking a secular stand on things pisses people off of the Internet." }, { "end_time": "55:13", "start_time": "55:13", "text": "You do know that." }, { "end_time": "55:14", "start_time": "55:13", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "55:15", "start_time": "55:14", "text": "I do know that." }, { "end_time": "55:16", "start_time": "55:15", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "55:17", "start_time": "55:16", "text": "Because of narratives." }, { "end_time": "55:18", "start_time": "55:17", "text": "Because narratives are so inbuilt." }, { "end_time": "55:21", "start_time": "55:19", "text": "It goes to your emotional body, I'm assuming." }, { "end_time": "55:31", "start_time": "55:23", "text": "You see, I have been born in a town which had a 50% Muslim population." }, { "end_time": "55:33", "start_time": "55:31", "text": "In fact, more than 50% Muslim population." }, { "end_time": "55:36", "start_time": "55:35", "text": "So I lived amongst them." }, { "end_time": "55:39", "start_time": "55:36", "text": "I know what is the pitfalls of that community." }, { "end_time": "55:45", "start_time": "55:40", "text": "I know where they can go wrong, but we have similar problems." }, { "end_time": "55:52", "start_time": "55:46", "text": "It's not that we have not not things that we need to be ashamed of." }, { "end_time": "55:59", "start_time": "55:52", "text": "For example, our entire treatment of the untouchable class or the Dalit class is not something that Hindu can be proud of." }, { "end_time": "56:00", "start_time": "55:59", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "56:04", "start_time": "56:00", "text": "So, I mean, before I point fingers to another community, I have to see what's wrong with me." }, { "end_time": "56:06", "start_time": "56:05", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "56:09", "start_time": "56:06", "text": "And I believe that there would not have been so many Muslims in India." }, { "end_time": "56:11", "start_time": "56:09", "text": "We could have treated other less properly." }, { "end_time": "56:15", "start_time": "56:12", "text": "Or there wouldn't be so many Christians in India, we had treated other as properly." }, { "end_time": "56:17", "start_time": "56:15", "text": "Or our depressed communities properly." }, { "end_time": "56:20", "start_time": "56:18", "text": "Or our fringe communities properly, like the tribal communities." }, { "end_time": "56:29", "start_time": "56:21", "text": "So we have been very negligent also as a community, and especially the court and court, the swan class of our underprivileged people." }, { "end_time": "56:32", "start_time": "56:30", "text": "So we are no one to hold a mirror to anybody." }, { "end_time": "56:38", "start_time": "56:33", "text": "Now, when you bring it down into this context, I know that a lot of people talk about anything." }, { "end_time": "56:41", "start_time": "56:38", "text": "But who is this, Hindu narrative for?" }, { "end_time": "56:43", "start_time": "56:42", "text": "I'm a proud Hindu." }, { "end_time": "56:46", "start_time": "56:44", "text": "I think the civilization has got very great things to offer." }, { "end_time": "56:50", "start_time": "56:47", "text": "The biggest thing that it had to offer was the entire liberation of the mind." }, { "end_time": "56:54", "start_time": "56:51", "text": "It allowed me to think in an unstructured way." }, { "end_time": "57:06", "start_time": "56:54", "text": "I am not obligated to go to form any particular form of religion or culture, any particular, leader, religious leader or a particular sect or a particular thought process." }, { "end_time": "57:07", "start_time": "57:06", "text": "I'm at liberty to do that." }, { "end_time": "57:11", "start_time": "57:08", "text": "And this, I think, was the greatest thing that was attractive about Hinduism." }, { "end_time": "57:14", "start_time": "57:11", "text": "Now if I restrict that, I have defeated the whole purpose of it." }, { "end_time": "57:16", "start_time": "57:15", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "57:19", "start_time": "57:16", "text": "Acceptance, fluidity, that's our nature." }, { "end_time": "57:22", "start_time": "57:19", "text": "I'll bring you to another very secular, but to this thing." }, { "end_time": "57:26", "start_time": "57:22", "text": "And this is a quote from Sarajah Sacha and Vostakumar." }, { "end_time": "57:31", "start_time": "57:28", "text": "People have gotten into different context by doing it." }, { "end_time": "57:35", "start_time": "57:32", "text": "In that, there are 2 things Allah Mayank Bal says." }, { "end_time": "57:38", "start_time": "57:35", "text": "He says, k, unanimous Roma." }, { "end_time": "57:43", "start_time": "57:39", "text": "That means, Greece, Egypt and Rome." }, { "end_time": "57:47", "start_time": "57:44", "text": "That means they all disappeared from this universe." }, { "end_time": "57:51", "start_time": "57:49", "text": "Even then we exist." }, { "end_time": "57:54", "start_time": "57:51", "text": "When he talks about that civilization is not a Muslim civilization." }, { "end_time": "57:59", "start_time": "57:55", "text": "He's talking about the Indian Hindu civilization, which is that old." }, { "end_time": "58:00", "start_time": "57:59", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "58:09", "start_time": "58:00", "text": "And then he goes on to say that there is something about us that we don't we we cannot be destroyed." }, { "end_time": "58:18", "start_time": "58:13", "text": "Despite the fact that for centuries, enemies have remained at our doorstep." }, { "end_time": "58:23", "start_time": "58:18", "text": "This is a tribute to the Indian civilization, the Hindu civilization more than anybody else." }, { "end_time": "58:25", "start_time": "58:24", "text": "And that was our capacity." }, { "end_time": "58:26", "start_time": "58:25", "text": "Big civilizations came." }, { "end_time": "58:27", "start_time": "58:26", "text": "The Greeks came." }, { "end_time": "58:28", "start_time": "58:27", "text": "The Shats came." }, { "end_time": "58:29", "start_time": "58:28", "text": "Everybody came in." }, { "end_time": "58:33", "start_time": "58:29", "text": "I mean, whatever else the Muslims ruled India for a very long time." }, { "end_time": "58:35", "start_time": "58:33", "text": "Industry remained the Hindu majority." }, { "end_time": "58:36", "start_time": "58:35", "text": "Does that was the strength of the religion?" }, { "end_time": "58:37", "start_time": "58:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "58:39", "start_time": "58:38", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "58:47", "start_time": "58:41", "text": "Could you draw out again, using the Kashmir files as a timeline context." }, { "end_time": "58:55", "start_time": "58:49", "text": "What happened in Kashmir after, say, 1993 or 1994, after that period?" }, { "end_time": "58:57", "start_time": "58:55", "text": "You were there throughout the nineties?" }, { "end_time": "58:58", "start_time": "58:57", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "59:02", "start_time": "58:59", "text": "Did you gradually see things calming down, settling down?" }, { "end_time": "59:04", "start_time": "59:03", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "59:04", "start_time": "59:04", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "59:11", "start_time": "59:04", "text": "I think the chaos that, took place in the end of 89, 90 beginning of 90, well, they happened, and then the administration came in." }, { "end_time": "59:13", "start_time": "59:11", "text": "The forces got organized." }, { "end_time": "59:17", "start_time": "59:14", "text": "You know, there was what they call the unified command was set up." }, { "end_time": "59:20", "start_time": "59:18", "text": "Operation groups came into being." }, { "end_time": "59:23", "start_time": "59:20", "text": "The special operation groups of the Jammu and Kashmir police came into being." }, { "end_time": "59:27", "start_time": "59:23", "text": "Because you see, where intelligence is concerned, you can't match the localities." }, { "end_time": "59:31", "start_time": "59:27", "text": "Special operations groups are like what the special forces are for the military." }, { "end_time": "59:32", "start_time": "59:31", "text": "Is it similar?" }, { "end_time": "59:37", "start_time": "59:32", "text": "See, these are actually basically innovations that were created by various state police forces." }, { "end_time": "59:42", "start_time": "59:37", "text": "Because, when terrorism comes up, you know, it's a kind of a desperate situation." }, { "end_time": "59:49", "start_time": "59:42", "text": "And, you and the police forces not normally tend to create special units to fight a special crime." }, { "end_time": "59:55", "start_time": "59:50", "text": "So we'll know suddenly you have a task force being created or anti the court being created or anti gun task being created." }, { "end_time": "59:57", "start_time": "59:55", "text": "In our context, it was terrorism." }, { "end_time": "1:00:00", "start_time": "59:57", "text": "So we created what was called the special operations." }, { "end_time": "1:00:07", "start_time": "1:00:00", "text": "So selected people with commitment and with certain amount of courage or and understanding were brought in." }, { "end_time": "1:00:13", "start_time": "1:00:07", "text": "And then, it was, these forces were put into place." }, { "end_time": "1:00:16", "start_time": "1:00:13", "text": "Intelligence improved, and obviously, the intelligence came from local people." }, { "end_time": "1:00:23", "start_time": "1:00:17", "text": "So when they talk about the police had got a lot of intelligence and good intelligence, where did it come from?" }, { "end_time": "1:00:25", "start_time": "1:00:23", "text": "They came with the the people only." }, { "end_time": "1:00:28", "start_time": "1:00:25", "text": "So it goes to show that not everybody was against him." }, { "end_time": "1:00:32", "start_time": "1:00:28", "text": "What's the truth about Kashmir in the modern day?" }, { "end_time": "1:00:35", "start_time": "1:00:32", "text": "Let's talk about that as, like, the final segment of this podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:00:39", "start_time": "1:00:36", "text": "This is very educative, I feel, especially for urban audiences." }, { "end_time": "1:00:49", "start_time": "1:00:39", "text": "I told you outside right now, off camera, that, I have friends who know about multiple subjects in detail, psychology, geopolitics, economics." }, { "end_time": "1:01:00", "start_time": "1:00:49", "text": "But when it comes to actually what's happened in the country in the last 30 years, their inputs are only from social media, which invariably drives them into a silo." }, { "end_time": "1:01:12", "start_time": "1:01:00", "text": "So they have extremely sharp perspectives about everything from the government to what's happened in the last 30 years to these kind of topics like the Kashmir files." }, { "end_time": "1:01:22", "start_time": "1:01:12", "text": "And I hope that this podcast reaches the educated elite in urban India, especially in Mumbai and Bangalore, where people are much more concerned about money than what's happening in the country, honestly." }, { "end_time": "1:01:28", "start_time": "1:01:22", "text": "So do you want to talk a little bit about that and then head into what's happening into in Kashmir today?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:29", "start_time": "1:01:28", "text": "Do you wanna Whatever." }, { "end_time": "1:01:30", "start_time": "1:01:29", "text": "Just the way you like it." }, { "end_time": "1:01:38", "start_time": "1:01:31", "text": "Why do you think so much of urban India is not in sync with the truth?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:46", "start_time": "1:01:40", "text": "I see that would be very judgmental or meant to say they're not in sync with the truth, but it's about what truth they want to know." }, { "end_time": "1:01:49", "start_time": "1:01:47", "text": "Now when you talk about That's that's exactly what I mean." }, { "end_time": "1:01:50", "start_time": "1:01:50", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:01:52", "start_time": "1:01:50", "text": "You see, everybody has their own worldview." }, { "end_time": "1:01:57", "start_time": "1:01:52", "text": "I mean, and I think that is a big big distinction between what happens within rural India and urban India." }, { "end_time": "1:02:03", "start_time": "1:01:57", "text": "And as India gets more and more urbanized, then that way that entire thing will change." }, { "end_time": "1:02:08", "start_time": "1:02:03", "text": "So it was urban societies are less fractured." }, { "end_time": "1:02:11", "start_time": "1:02:09", "text": "Rural societies in India have got too many issues." }, { "end_time": "1:02:18", "start_time": "1:02:12", "text": "And recently I was, you know, doing a demographic reading up of, of UP, for example, state to which I belong." }, { "end_time": "1:02:27", "start_time": "1:02:18", "text": "I was actually horrified to know there are 250 castes in UP because everything is we we consider the cast to be in the 4 broad groups." }, { "end_time": "1:02:31", "start_time": "1:02:27", "text": "But the subcast and the sub subcast of all those groups is amazing." }, { "end_time": "1:02:44", "start_time": "1:02:31", "text": "So when you have a society which is like, you know, completely, fractured in that way and get organized in its own way, It's it's it's a it's a very different narrative, but all that disappears when you come to the city." }, { "end_time": "1:02:45", "start_time": "1:02:44", "text": "So that conversation obviously will change." }, { "end_time": "1:02:46", "start_time": "1:02:45", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:02:46", "start_time": "1:02:46", "text": "Fair enough." }, { "end_time": "1:02:49", "start_time": "1:02:47", "text": "Again, let's address the audience." }, { "end_time": "1:02:51", "start_time": "1:02:49", "text": "Tell them the truth about what's happening today." }, { "end_time": "1:02:56", "start_time": "1:02:51", "text": "I don't even think there are people who know exactly what article 370 is, so you'll have to talk the ABCs." }, { "end_time": "1:03:01", "start_time": "1:02:57", "text": "You see the I mean, the there is a lot of chatter and talk about, 3 17." }, { "end_time": "1:03:07", "start_time": "1:03:01", "text": "A lot of people who don't have any understanding what 3 70 is actually about." }, { "end_time": "1:03:37", "start_time": "1:03:08", "text": "When you understand the realities of partition and India's position at the time of partition, we must understand that India was at a tremendous disadvantage because India's partition was a geopolitical decision taken by the British supported by the United States at that time, largely to create a strategic territory in the Indian subcontinent, which is sitting at the top of the Indian Ocean region, dominating the oil producing countries." }, { "end_time": "1:03:42", "start_time": "1:03:37", "text": "If you look at Pakistan, they're just next to the Arab world where the oil was being produced." }, { "end_time": "1:03:45", "start_time": "1:03:42", "text": "They were in a dominant position of the Indian Ocean region." }, { "end_time": "1:03:49", "start_time": "1:03:45", "text": "They were sitting on the underbelly of China and at that time, the Soviet Union." }, { "end_time": "1:03:52", "start_time": "1:03:49", "text": "So you couldn't have had a territory which is better poised." }, { "end_time": "1:04:07", "start_time": "1:03:52", "text": "They would have liked if India as a whole could have been there in their camp or but the Congress party at that time had shown its very, very definite intent to be an independent country." }, { "end_time": "1:04:09", "start_time": "1:04:07", "text": "Independent in 2¢." }, { "end_time": "1:04:14", "start_time": "1:04:09", "text": "So that's why you see we went and joined the non aligned movement and we're trying to move away from the 2 major blocks." }, { "end_time": "1:04:19", "start_time": "1:04:15", "text": "This was the the situation which was actually at the background of the creation." }, { "end_time": "1:04:26", "start_time": "1:04:19", "text": "So you imagine India, which is coming out of our colonial setup, pitted against the world's most powerful people." }, { "end_time": "1:04:28", "start_time": "1:04:26", "text": "They just won the 2nd World War." }, { "end_time": "1:04:36", "start_time": "1:04:29", "text": "So you see and then you had this territory, which is being challenged by Pakistan as a neighbor." }, { "end_time": "1:04:40", "start_time": "1:04:36", "text": "And Pakistan at that time was not a diminished state that you see today." }, { "end_time": "1:04:41", "start_time": "1:04:40", "text": "They were powerful." }, { "end_time": "1:04:43", "start_time": "1:04:41", "text": "They were more powerful than you in certain ways." }, { "end_time": "1:04:44", "start_time": "1:04:43", "text": "Like what ways?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:49", "start_time": "1:04:44", "text": "See, you had split a country down the line and that country, when you look at it, was what do you see?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:52", "start_time": "1:04:49", "text": "India today is also with a lot of addition of the princely states." }, { "end_time": "1:05:00", "start_time": "1:04:53", "text": "So the dominions as as such that was split were, well, almost half and half." }, { "end_time": "1:05:01", "start_time": "1:05:01", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:05:03", "start_time": "1:05:01", "text": "As in money wise, basically." }, { "end_time": "1:05:03", "start_time": "1:05:03", "text": "Money wise." }, { "end_time": "1:05:09", "start_time": "1:05:03", "text": "Well, of course, it was the division largely took place on a 2 third, 1 third basis, not exactly why I have enough." }, { "end_time": "1:05:12", "start_time": "1:05:09", "text": "But it that's a comparable, vertical, strength." }, { "end_time": "1:05:13", "start_time": "1:05:12", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:05:16", "start_time": "1:05:13", "text": "And especially we have an international community supporting you." }, { "end_time": "1:05:19", "start_time": "1:05:16", "text": "So Kashmir became a fairly contentious issue at that time." }, { "end_time": "1:05:35", "start_time": "1:05:20", "text": "So it required a lot of legal and constitutional gymnastics on part of the government at that time to create a situation where it could remain part of India yet, give us the legal backdoor to to still show that it was not a result issue." }, { "end_time": "1:05:37", "start_time": "1:05:36", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:05:38", "start_time": "1:05:37", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:05:41", "start_time": "1:05:38", "text": "So anybody who looks at it in that context must appreciate that point." }, { "end_time": "1:05:53", "start_time": "1:05:41", "text": "But, yes, one would take that many years down the line 75 years down the line, when you talk about that context, the relevance of it may have gone." }, { "end_time": "1:05:56", "start_time": "1:05:54", "text": "Go back 70 years ago." }, { "end_time": "1:05:59", "start_time": "1:05:57", "text": "Talk about the rules that was set for Kashmir." }, { "end_time": "1:06:14", "start_time": "1:05:59", "text": "So So the provisions of, 370 largely were that you gave it protection under for for property and the more bigger protection you gave them was that Indian laws would not be applicable to the state of Jammu and Kashmir unless ratified by their own assembly." }, { "end_time": "1:06:23", "start_time": "1:06:15", "text": "And a separate constitution was provided to state of Jammu Kashmir, though it was part of the Indian Union and the first line of the constitution." }, { "end_time": "1:06:34", "start_time": "1:06:23", "text": "No, I think the third line of constitution says, this is I'm forgetting the name now, but it basically means that this is a, integral part of the union of India." }, { "end_time": "1:06:35", "start_time": "1:06:35", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:06:38", "start_time": "1:06:35", "text": "So there was no there was no separatist clause there." }, { "end_time": "1:06:41", "start_time": "1:06:38", "text": "It was just that we'll have some different laws of our own." }, { "end_time": "1:06:42", "start_time": "1:06:41", "text": "Let us deal around it in our own way." }, { "end_time": "1:06:43", "start_time": "1:06:42", "text": "In our own way." }, { "end_time": "1:06:48", "start_time": "1:06:43", "text": "And those all I mean, even, like, they would call the Indian penal code the Ranbir penal code." }, { "end_time": "1:06:50", "start_time": "1:06:49", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "1:06:51", "start_time": "1:06:50", "text": "That is exactly the same code." }, { "end_time": "1:06:53", "start_time": "1:06:51", "text": "The sections are exactly the same." }, { "end_time": "1:06:53", "start_time": "1:06:53", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:06:54", "start_time": "1:06:53", "text": "They also have the CRPC." }, { "end_time": "1:06:55", "start_time": "1:06:54", "text": "We have the same CRPC." }, { "end_time": "1:07:04", "start_time": "1:06:56", "text": "So they they was I mean, there it was like a copy copy book, running of the government, but okay." }, { "end_time": "1:07:05", "start_time": "1:07:04", "text": "They had their own thing." }, { "end_time": "1:07:10", "start_time": "1:07:05", "text": "That is largely to keep a the sentiment and all that in under check because we all know what the background was." }, { "end_time": "1:07:14", "start_time": "1:07:10", "text": "And, then also to keep the the political the world powers that way." }, { "end_time": "1:07:19", "start_time": "1:07:15", "text": "And, and also to administer it in a way that you do not create too much of an upsurge." }, { "end_time": "1:07:23", "start_time": "1:07:20", "text": "Following that, a lot of changes took place." }, { "end_time": "1:07:30", "start_time": "1:07:23", "text": "First of all, is that the titles of the prime minister and, and, southern area asset would change to governor and chief minister." }, { "end_time": "1:07:38", "start_time": "1:07:30", "text": "Lot of the Indian laws were extended, and I think the biggest law that happened was the GST being extended to Jammu." }, { "end_time": "1:07:43", "start_time": "1:07:38", "text": "Because when you economically and taxation wise integrate a country, then there half the work is done in the case." }, { "end_time": "1:07:44", "start_time": "1:07:44", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:07:45", "start_time": "1:07:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:07:49", "start_time": "1:07:45", "text": "Because that's the purpose of geography being a part of your geography." }, { "end_time": "1:07:49", "start_time": "1:07:49", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "1:07:50", "start_time": "1:07:49", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "1:07:52", "start_time": "1:07:50", "text": "So therefore, that had already happened." }, { "end_time": "1:08:07", "start_time": "1:07:52", "text": "And and I think what the amendment of 370 and the revocation of course did was the confusion that was there in the Kashmiri mind about where their their sovereignty lay." }, { "end_time": "1:08:08", "start_time": "1:08:07", "text": "That was what the best." }, { "end_time": "1:08:08", "start_time": "1:08:08", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:08:10", "start_time": "1:08:09", "text": "So it's finality." }, { "end_time": "1:08:17", "start_time": "1:08:10", "text": "At least they got to know that, where is India is concerned, there is no there is no dispute in the Indian mind as to where we have to go." }, { "end_time": "1:08:23", "start_time": "1:08:18", "text": "Because when I was in the state, I would have a lot of Kashmiri youngsters come up to me and ask me this question." }, { "end_time": "1:08:29", "start_time": "1:08:25", "text": "That those of us who want to be with India, what is our position?" }, { "end_time": "1:08:34", "start_time": "1:08:29", "text": "They they used to ask us in a political context that which party should we go with?" }, { "end_time": "1:08:38", "start_time": "1:08:35", "text": "Because, you know, all the politics would be around this whole 370 thing." }, { "end_time": "1:08:40", "start_time": "1:08:38", "text": "So some of them were very pragmatic." }, { "end_time": "1:08:40", "start_time": "1:08:40", "text": "They would say, okay." }, { "end_time": "1:08:41", "start_time": "1:08:40", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:08:42", "start_time": "1:08:41", "text": "We want to do business in there." }, { "end_time": "1:08:43", "start_time": "1:08:42", "text": "We want to stay in India." }, { "end_time": "1:08:44", "start_time": "1:08:43", "text": "Do you know what Pakistan is about?" }, { "end_time": "1:08:46", "start_time": "1:08:44", "text": "We find this a perfectly decent country." }, { "end_time": "1:08:49", "start_time": "1:08:46", "text": "So why should I mean, which direction should we go?" }, { "end_time": "1:08:52", "start_time": "1:08:49", "text": "So therefore, this thought process had already begun to come in." }, { "end_time": "1:08:55", "start_time": "1:08:52", "text": "And therefore, this is a good time to actually do it." }, { "end_time": "1:09:02", "start_time": "1:08:56", "text": "Though, of course, there is a lot of thing and many of my Kashmiri friends are going to rid me about this." }, { "end_time": "1:09:06", "start_time": "1:09:02", "text": "What are the misconceptions that Urban Elite have about 370?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:09", "start_time": "1:09:07", "text": "Misconceptions or its revocation." }, { "end_time": "1:09:12", "start_time": "1:09:10", "text": "See, like, I asked a journalist once a question." }, { "end_time": "1:09:14", "start_time": "1:09:12", "text": "I said, who do you think you gave the constitution of the monk?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:16", "start_time": "1:09:14", "text": "He said the maraja." }, { "end_time": "1:09:17", "start_time": "1:09:16", "text": "I said, no." }, { "end_time": "1:09:19", "start_time": "1:09:17", "text": "It was an act of your own constitution." }, { "end_time": "1:09:25", "start_time": "1:09:20", "text": "Do because the committee when they were framing the Indian constitution, the Kashmir committee was set up." }, { "end_time": "1:09:28", "start_time": "1:09:25", "text": "That Kashmir committee is what provided the constitution." }, { "end_time": "1:09:29", "start_time": "1:09:28", "text": "So it was an Indian construct." }, { "end_time": "1:09:31", "start_time": "1:09:29", "text": "It had nothing to do with the maraja." }, { "end_time": "1:09:38", "start_time": "1:09:31", "text": "So, you know, these kind of fall narrative that this is a hangover to the manager and during that time and the thing is completely wrong, we create that construct." }, { "end_time": "1:09:39", "start_time": "1:09:38", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:09:40", "start_time": "1:09:39", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:09:40", "start_time": "1:09:40", "text": "Alright." }, { "end_time": "1:09:44", "start_time": "1:09:40", "text": "Do you want to add any final layer to this article 370 thing?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:47", "start_time": "1:09:44", "text": "Because I assuming you had asked about it a lot." }, { "end_time": "1:09:47", "start_time": "1:09:47", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:09:51", "start_time": "1:09:47", "text": "I also need to I think we need to put that into into into a context." }, { "end_time": "1:09:51", "start_time": "1:09:51", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:09:56", "start_time": "1:09:52", "text": "Because it's not it's like, this needs to this confusion needs to be removed." }, { "end_time": "1:09:58", "start_time": "1:09:56", "text": "That actually where it came from." }, { "end_time": "1:09:59", "start_time": "1:09:58", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:10:00", "start_time": "1:09:59", "text": "Why does that matter?" }, { "end_time": "1:10:04", "start_time": "1:10:01", "text": "It matters because it is you gave it." }, { "end_time": "1:10:05", "start_time": "1:10:04", "text": "It is not a legacy issue." }, { "end_time": "1:10:11", "start_time": "1:10:06", "text": "So So you when you given it, it means that you you you've also taken it away." }, { "end_time": "1:10:12", "start_time": "1:10:12", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:10:13", "start_time": "1:10:12", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:10:13", "start_time": "1:10:13", "text": "Alright." }, { "end_time": "1:10:18", "start_time": "1:10:14", "text": "So it's it's not that it's not that it's also important that the Kashmiri should understand that." }, { "end_time": "1:10:18", "start_time": "1:10:18", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:10:20", "start_time": "1:10:19", "text": "What's modern day Kashmiri like?" }, { "end_time": "1:10:22", "start_time": "1:10:20", "text": "2023, what's happening?" }, { "end_time": "1:10:30", "start_time": "1:10:23", "text": "Modern day Kashmir, as I said I was telling you earlier, that the average Kashmiri youth and youngster does think like a global youth." }, { "end_time": "1:10:32", "start_time": "1:10:30", "text": "His aspirations are Absolutely normal." }, { "end_time": "1:10:34", "start_time": "1:10:32", "text": "Is are absolutely normal." }, { "end_time": "1:10:34", "start_time": "1:10:34", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:10:37", "start_time": "1:10:34", "text": "So you pull him out of that context, so he will behave like you and I do." }, { "end_time": "1:10:37", "start_time": "1:10:37", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:10:40", "start_time": "1:10:37", "text": "Are there Leave him in that context, then yes." }, { "end_time": "1:10:42", "start_time": "1:10:40", "text": "Are there members of insurgency still?" }, { "end_time": "1:10:47", "start_time": "1:10:42", "text": "There is a sudden resentment that is still Towards India?" }, { "end_time": "1:10:52", "start_time": "1:10:48", "text": "I would not say it's towards India particularly, but it's also about his own situation." }, { "end_time": "1:11:07", "start_time": "1:10:53", "text": "Because one is that, he I mean, he feels I mean, that entire thing about their ability to govern or their their being permitted to govern themselves." }, { "end_time": "1:11:09", "start_time": "1:11:07", "text": "That is still is a dispute in his mind." }, { "end_time": "1:11:11", "start_time": "1:11:10", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "1:11:13", "start_time": "1:11:11", "text": "Because there is no democracy right now." }, { "end_time": "1:11:16", "start_time": "1:11:13", "text": "There is a governor there's a left in governors too." }, { "end_time": "1:11:17", "start_time": "1:11:16", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:11:22", "start_time": "1:11:18", "text": "Do you are you hopeful about where the life of the youth is going in Kashmir?" }, { "end_time": "1:11:26", "start_time": "1:11:23", "text": "See, their economic progress will happen." }, { "end_time": "1:11:29", "start_time": "1:11:27", "text": "As India progresses, so will Kashmir." }, { "end_time": "1:11:31", "start_time": "1:11:30", "text": "They cannot deny that." }, { "end_time": "1:11:33", "start_time": "1:11:31", "text": "That's all you have to say?" }, { "end_time": "1:11:35", "start_time": "1:11:33", "text": "Because that is what it's all about." }, { "end_time": "1:11:35", "start_time": "1:11:35", "text": "Money." }, { "end_time": "1:11:36", "start_time": "1:11:36", "text": "Not money." }, { "end_time": "1:11:37", "start_time": "1:11:36", "text": "It's about progress." }, { "end_time": "1:11:38", "start_time": "1:11:37", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:11:40", "start_time": "1:11:38", "text": "Progress doesn't take place by just by making money." }, { "end_time": "1:11:43", "start_time": "1:11:40", "text": "Your progress takes place a lot of in a lot of different ways." }, { "end_time": "1:11:43", "start_time": "1:11:43", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:11:47", "start_time": "1:11:44", "text": "Because money, that will then lead to education." }, { "end_time": "1:11:51", "start_time": "1:11:47", "text": "Education will lead to an improvement in your lifestyle, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "1:12:01", "start_time": "1:11:51", "text": "See, one of the other confusions that people had about Kashmir is that they are very impoverished people and, you know, that now that c seventy is gone, and, you know, they will be getting this which is completely incorrect." }, { "end_time": "1:12:01", "start_time": "1:12:01", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:12:03", "start_time": "1:12:01", "text": "Kashmir was one of the richest states in India." }, { "end_time": "1:12:05", "start_time": "1:12:04", "text": "Even now?" }, { "end_time": "1:12:06", "start_time": "1:12:06", "text": "Even now." }, { "end_time": "1:12:08", "start_time": "1:12:07", "text": "Richest because?" }, { "end_time": "1:12:10", "start_time": "1:12:08", "text": "Like, but the income is very high." }, { "end_time": "1:12:12", "start_time": "1:12:11", "text": "Very prosperous people." }, { "end_time": "1:12:12", "start_time": "1:12:12", "text": "How?" }, { "end_time": "1:12:18", "start_time": "1:12:13", "text": "Because they've got a lot of economic activity happening there and it got to place despite, all the terrorism." }, { "end_time": "1:12:24", "start_time": "1:12:18", "text": "Because when you talk about tourism, tourism is only one of the factors that actually contributes to Krishna's economy." }, { "end_time": "1:12:25", "start_time": "1:12:24", "text": "Agriculture." }, { "end_time": "1:12:29", "start_time": "1:12:25", "text": "Agriculture prime used to be primary, followed by horticulture." }, { "end_time": "1:12:31", "start_time": "1:12:29", "text": "But I think now horticulture is overtaken agriculture." }, { "end_time": "1:12:38", "start_time": "1:12:32", "text": "But, that then forest produce, what do you call, handicrafts." }, { "end_time": "1:12:40", "start_time": "1:12:38", "text": "Handicrafts are big business." }, { "end_time": "1:12:40", "start_time": "1:12:40", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:12:41", "start_time": "1:12:40", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:12:43", "start_time": "1:12:41", "text": "And then, of course, tourism." }, { "end_time": "1:12:45", "start_time": "1:12:43", "text": "The 6 of those 6 factors that are there." }, { "end_time": "1:12:49", "start_time": "1:12:45", "text": "Tourism would probably till a while ago, was probably at the bottom of the list." }, { "end_time": "1:12:50", "start_time": "1:12:49", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "1:12:54", "start_time": "1:12:51", "text": "Is it safe to travel in the interiors of Kashmir today?" }, { "end_time": "1:12:58", "start_time": "1:12:55", "text": "It has been safe to travel in the interiors of Kashmir for a very long time." }, { "end_time": "1:13:03", "start_time": "1:12:59", "text": "Let's break that down because that's not what urban audiences know." }, { "end_time": "1:13:07", "start_time": "1:13:03", "text": "You know, when someone says that they're going to Kashmir, the common joke is, okay." }, { "end_time": "1:13:08", "start_time": "1:13:07", "text": "It was nice knowing you." }, { "end_time": "1:13:10", "start_time": "1:13:08", "text": "That's the joke in urban environment." }, { "end_time": "1:13:15", "start_time": "1:13:10", "text": "But, from from early 2000, the tourist traffic to Krishna has been quite fast." }, { "end_time": "1:13:19", "start_time": "1:13:15", "text": "And it's safe to travel around in the details and all that." }, { "end_time": "1:13:21", "start_time": "1:13:19", "text": "Anyone can go just take a road trip." }, { "end_time": "1:13:22", "start_time": "1:13:21", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:13:24", "start_time": "1:13:22", "text": "You've been in encounters yourself?" }, { "end_time": "1:13:24", "start_time": "1:13:24", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:13:28", "start_time": "1:13:25", "text": "Would you like It was a fadine attack on me when I was the AZ Reserve." }, { "end_time": "1:13:31", "start_time": "1:13:28", "text": "Really comfy talking over." }, { "end_time": "1:13:31", "start_time": "1:13:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:13:32", "start_time": "1:13:31", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "1:13:33", "start_time": "1:13:32", "text": "No problem." }, { "end_time": "1:13:33", "start_time": "1:13:33", "text": "Take a stool." }, { "end_time": "1:13:37", "start_time": "1:13:34", "text": "This was in the December of 2003." }, { "end_time": "1:13:53", "start_time": "1:13:41", "text": "And I was at my house and, in the colony had, one set of row houses, a park in the middle, and the rows of offices we are I head at the park." }, { "end_time": "1:13:59", "start_time": "1:13:53", "text": "So it was like an in one little colony of houses and, offices for the offices." }, { "end_time": "1:14:07", "start_time": "1:14:01", "text": "So being a cold winter morning, the sun was out and I was going to my office and, I had a visitor." }, { "end_time": "1:14:12", "start_time": "1:14:07", "text": "So one of the SHOs along with his brother-in-law had come to see me for some work." }, { "end_time": "1:14:18", "start_time": "1:14:13", "text": "So I was stepping out and I, told them, I said, you know, I'm going to the office." }, { "end_time": "1:14:19", "start_time": "1:14:18", "text": "Let's walk there." }, { "end_time": "1:14:21", "start_time": "1:14:20", "text": "He said, no." }, { "end_time": "1:14:21", "start_time": "1:14:21", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:14:21", "start_time": "1:14:21", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:14:24", "start_time": "1:14:21", "text": "I've come here and let's finish the conversation here." }, { "end_time": "1:14:25", "start_time": "1:14:24", "text": "It's it." }, { "end_time": "1:14:28", "start_time": "1:14:25", "text": "So I told somebody, please place chairs in the garden." }, { "end_time": "1:14:37", "start_time": "1:14:29", "text": "He sat down and I remember very clearly the guy, said he said, you know, it's a typical that some Chinese style." }, { "end_time": "1:14:42", "start_time": "1:14:40", "text": "That ever since you've come, you know, situation has improved." }, { "end_time": "1:14:45", "start_time": "1:14:43", "text": "It's a very typical line that every administrator has given." }, { "end_time": "1:14:47", "start_time": "1:14:45", "text": "So I said, you know, keep quiet." }, { "end_time": "1:14:51", "start_time": "1:14:48", "text": "Last time I said, you said this, it was a fidiner attack in Poonch." }, { "end_time": "1:14:53", "start_time": "1:14:51", "text": "And, so don't say that to me." }, { "end_time": "1:14:53", "start_time": "1:14:53", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "1:15:03", "start_time": "1:14:54", "text": "So in as I finish the sentence, tuck tuck tuck tuck to the firing of AK 47 rifles came right near there, and I immediately understood that the attack is on us." }, { "end_time": "1:15:06", "start_time": "1:15:04", "text": "So as in you were inside a room?" }, { "end_time": "1:15:06", "start_time": "1:15:06", "text": "I was inside a room in the square." }, { "end_time": "1:15:10", "start_time": "1:15:06", "text": "In my house, which with I'm sitting in the park, the lawn in front." }, { "end_time": "1:15:12", "start_time": "1:15:10", "text": "And this firing took place on the gate." }, { "end_time": "1:15:15", "start_time": "1:15:13", "text": "So Which was on the other side of the house?" }, { "end_time": "1:15:16", "start_time": "1:15:15", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:15:17", "start_time": "1:15:16", "text": "It was right next to where we're sitting." }, { "end_time": "1:15:19", "start_time": "1:15:18", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:15:21", "start_time": "1:15:19", "text": "And they were targeting the guards at the gate?" }, { "end_time": "1:15:22", "start_time": "1:15:21", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:15:23", "start_time": "1:15:22", "text": "Initially." }, { "end_time": "1:15:31", "start_time": "1:15:23", "text": "It's a so when this happened and we kind of got into it, what had happened was that this the feline fellow had come wearing a military uniform." }, { "end_time": "1:15:36", "start_time": "1:15:32", "text": "And it was not uncommon for the military people to be walking over there because it's to come for various reasons." }, { "end_time": "1:15:45", "start_time": "1:15:37", "text": "So you would have people in military often got people coming to deliver letters, people coming to check the telephone lines, people going to the exchange people for all sorts of reasons." }, { "end_time": "1:15:47", "start_time": "1:15:46", "text": "So you guys hanging around there." }, { "end_time": "1:15:52", "start_time": "1:15:48", "text": "And as soon as I sat down, my PSOs were not ready for me to move." }, { "end_time": "1:15:54", "start_time": "1:15:52", "text": "Also, can you not relax?" }, { "end_time": "1:16:04", "start_time": "1:15:54", "text": "And, 2 of them who were actually to escort me this person was to sit in my car and escort me, then decided to walk out." }, { "end_time": "1:16:11", "start_time": "1:16:06", "text": "When they walked out of the gate, they found this fellow standing there, and they asked him, k, that what are you doing here?" }, { "end_time": "1:16:15", "start_time": "1:16:12", "text": "And that point, he realized he would be discovered, so he shot both of them." }, { "end_time": "1:16:19", "start_time": "1:16:17", "text": "Why would they go out and ask?" }, { "end_time": "1:16:26", "start_time": "1:16:20", "text": "Because if they found him standing there necessarily, because of his army uniform, he should have been moving up and down." }, { "end_time": "1:16:29", "start_time": "1:16:26", "text": "Or if he had any business with me, he would come and address to the gate." }, { "end_time": "1:16:31", "start_time": "1:16:29", "text": "But just loosely hanging around there wouldn't make sense." }, { "end_time": "1:16:33", "start_time": "1:16:31", "text": "So this time, we got suspicious." }, { "end_time": "1:16:35", "start_time": "1:16:33", "text": "So this what are you doing here?" }, { "end_time": "1:16:36", "start_time": "1:16:35", "text": "So he shot 2 of them." }, { "end_time": "1:16:38", "start_time": "1:16:36", "text": "That is the firing that took place." }, { "end_time": "1:16:42", "start_time": "1:16:38", "text": "So then, of course, I, escorted those 2 boys." }, { "end_time": "1:16:44", "start_time": "1:16:42", "text": "I mean, had those boys evacuated to the hospital." }, { "end_time": "1:16:45", "start_time": "1:16:44", "text": "Of course, they didn't survive." }, { "end_time": "1:16:46", "start_time": "1:16:45", "text": "They both shot in the head." }, { "end_time": "1:16:52", "start_time": "1:16:47", "text": "And then, we then ran after him, and, we cleared building after building." }, { "end_time": "1:16:54", "start_time": "1:16:52", "text": "So there were no mobile phones or whatever." }, { "end_time": "1:16:58", "start_time": "1:16:54", "text": "So on wireless and through the telephone, we told all the offices that just shut the office." }, { "end_time": "1:16:59", "start_time": "1:16:58", "text": "Do not allow anyone to enter." }, { "end_time": "1:17:01", "start_time": "1:16:59", "text": "You went back inside the house?" }, { "end_time": "1:17:04", "start_time": "1:17:01", "text": "Is there I was there on the day already at the gate." }, { "end_time": "1:17:07", "start_time": "1:17:05", "text": "So what how you were taking cover?" }, { "end_time": "1:17:09", "start_time": "1:17:08", "text": "Oh, you're behind the wall." }, { "end_time": "1:17:13", "start_time": "1:17:09", "text": "So when that happened, I just looked into the gate and saw that he had shot to other people." }, { "end_time": "1:17:18", "start_time": "1:17:13", "text": "So I told my driver, I said, take the car out and take these 2 things." }, { "end_time": "1:17:19", "start_time": "1:17:18", "text": "In fact, my driver only shouted." }, { "end_time": "1:17:21", "start_time": "1:17:19", "text": "He said, sir, what are you?" }, { "end_time": "1:17:22", "start_time": "1:17:21", "text": "Raju or." }, { "end_time": "1:17:23", "start_time": "1:17:22", "text": "Raju or." }, { "end_time": "1:17:26", "start_time": "1:17:24", "text": "Raju is one of them." }, { "end_time": "1:17:28", "start_time": "1:17:26", "text": "Were you carrying a gun on you at this point?" }, { "end_time": "1:17:33", "start_time": "1:17:28", "text": "I usually didn't carry a gun, but I still always keep her naked with me as a precaution, so I picked it up." }, { "end_time": "1:17:36", "start_time": "1:17:34", "text": "So then we ran ran out of the gate." }, { "end_time": "1:17:39", "start_time": "1:17:36", "text": "Of course, by that time, you know, my security was there." }, { "end_time": "1:17:40", "start_time": "1:17:39", "text": "The SSP security was there." }, { "end_time": "1:17:43", "start_time": "1:17:40", "text": "So we all went and then we cleared out building after building." }, { "end_time": "1:17:50", "start_time": "1:17:43", "text": "Then when I was entering my own office as the big, I didn't go into my office." }, { "end_time": "1:17:52", "start_time": "1:17:50", "text": "I went, to the roof." }, { "end_time": "1:18:06", "start_time": "1:17:53", "text": "And, because when the boy was about being vacated, my driver had very cleverly taken 2 of the PSOs and said that if he runs away from this complex, the only place he can run is through a galley from the back." }, { "end_time": "1:18:08", "start_time": "1:18:06", "text": "So they they said go and position us up there." }, { "end_time": "1:18:13", "start_time": "1:18:09", "text": "So the 2 PSOs were positioned in the house just behind my office." }, { "end_time": "1:18:18", "start_time": "1:18:13", "text": "So when I went to the rooftop, one of my PSOs was Praveen." }, { "end_time": "1:18:25", "start_time": "1:18:18", "text": "He was on the other side, and he's with a grenade in his hand, and he was, like, tossing it and indicating to me that the guys below." }, { "end_time": "1:18:32", "start_time": "1:18:25", "text": "So he was, like, saying that, you know, move back because in case it doesn't, you know, land correctly, then we should not get injured." }, { "end_time": "1:18:37", "start_time": "1:18:32", "text": "And then he threw the grenade and that between the two offices." }, { "end_time": "1:18:40", "start_time": "1:18:37", "text": "There's the office of the superintendent engineer was next to mine." }, { "end_time": "1:18:42", "start_time": "1:18:40", "text": "So that little gap between the two buildings." }, { "end_time": "1:18:53", "start_time": "1:18:43", "text": "Then the militant ran to the front of the gate, and now the 3 PSO, Preetam then took his gun and then treated him to the guy." }, { "end_time": "1:18:55", "start_time": "1:18:53", "text": "AK 47 only." }, { "end_time": "1:18:57", "start_time": "1:18:55", "text": "It was all AK versus AK?" }, { "end_time": "1:19:00", "start_time": "1:18:57", "text": "There is also AK and counter terrorism." }, { "end_time": "1:19:02", "start_time": "1:19:00", "text": "It was about a 20 minute operation." }, { "end_time": "1:19:05", "start_time": "1:19:03", "text": "This all happened within a period of 20 minutes." }, { "end_time": "1:19:08", "start_time": "1:19:06", "text": "From your lawn till this moment." }, { "end_time": "1:19:09", "start_time": "1:19:09", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:19:16", "start_time": "1:19:10", "text": "Did you know that this kind of stuff is going to happen to you during your initial stint?" }, { "end_time": "1:19:23", "start_time": "1:19:17", "text": "See, initial extent to me, we've had occasions where, you know, we encounter the face of firings, stand off firings." }, { "end_time": "1:19:30", "start_time": "1:19:24", "text": "I, in synagogue when I was posted there, there were occasions where, you know, they would target me while I was in the in the public places." }, { "end_time": "1:19:40", "start_time": "1:19:30", "text": "I remember instances where, you know, I would have some officers on some of the civilians come and pull you off the streets thinking there was that polite way of thinking." }, { "end_time": "1:19:40", "start_time": "1:19:40", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:19:41", "start_time": "1:19:40", "text": "I think you stayed here too long." }, { "end_time": "1:19:42", "start_time": "1:19:41", "text": "We must move." }, { "end_time": "1:19:46", "start_time": "1:19:42", "text": "Means that they could see that somebody is trying to organize an attack or whatever." }, { "end_time": "1:19:48", "start_time": "1:19:46", "text": "I remember there was an occasion when I was in Larchock." }, { "end_time": "1:19:55", "start_time": "1:19:48", "text": "I was standing in the middle of the street trying to discuss, with the shopkeepers who are protesting or something." }, { "end_time": "1:19:58", "start_time": "1:19:55", "text": "And then, you know, they fired on me that day." }, { "end_time": "1:20:00", "start_time": "1:19:58", "text": "Fortunately, nobody got injured and I was pulled back immediately." }, { "end_time": "1:20:02", "start_time": "1:20:01", "text": "But instance, like, that's happened." }, { "end_time": "1:20:05", "start_time": "1:20:02", "text": "But this was the first time there was, like, an organized event." }, { "end_time": "1:20:06", "start_time": "1:20:05", "text": "Sir, thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:20:07", "start_time": "1:20:06", "text": "It was a good conversation." }, { "end_time": "1:20:11", "start_time": "1:20:08", "text": "Don't feel like I've unpacked all the layers with you." }, { "end_time": "1:20:26", "start_time": "1:20:11", "text": "I do feel like you need to return on the show for a Hindi conversation because it'll reach an even bigger I think another conversation that you you and I should have is about the entire thing about social media, the impact of the this smartphone, and what it is doing to people's minds." }, { "end_time": "1:20:29", "start_time": "1:20:26", "text": "That's a perfect angle for the Hindi conversation." }, { "end_time": "1:20:39", "start_time": "1:20:29", "text": "But, And I mean, like, it probably of late, I've been seeing it in in when you brought it in context to Gupi, the kind of stuff that's happening there." }, { "end_time": "1:20:40", "start_time": "1:20:39", "text": "I was explaining to it earlier." }, { "end_time": "1:20:41", "start_time": "1:20:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:20:41", "start_time": "1:20:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:20:46", "start_time": "1:20:43", "text": "And that when you take it into a terrorism context, it gives a very different dimension." }, { "end_time": "1:20:57", "start_time": "1:20:47", "text": "You said that you're hearing cases where kids 9 to 11 years old have been caught watching porn, have been caught having sex also in some cases." }, { "end_time": "1:20:57", "start_time": "1:20:57", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:20:57", "start_time": "1:20:57", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:21:04", "start_time": "1:20:57", "text": "The thing is that I was told about these 3 girls who disappeared from the town." }, { "end_time": "1:21:09", "start_time": "1:21:05", "text": "And when they searched their email history, they found they were watching a lot of pornography." }, { "end_time": "1:21:10", "start_time": "1:21:09", "text": "And the ages were between 911." }, { "end_time": "1:21:20", "start_time": "1:21:12", "text": "And then when they were trying to track them down, they had gone to Haridwar to check out a hotel there where they were expecting to find this kind of sex." }, { "end_time": "1:21:25", "start_time": "1:21:21", "text": "Fortunately, for them and for their families, the police would track them down there." }, { "end_time": "1:21:32", "start_time": "1:21:25", "text": "And in the morning when they switched on their mobile phone, they suddenly realized they were staying in the hotel right next to the one in which the police was staying." }, { "end_time": "1:21:36", "start_time": "1:21:32", "text": "So we were immediately brought home." }, { "end_time": "1:21:44", "start_time": "1:21:37", "text": "But the alarming part was the the fact that the night between 9 and 11, girls were watching this." }, { "end_time": "1:21:56", "start_time": "1:21:44", "text": "So and what what the other thing that has he was bringing out was that a lot of the crime against children, or the postcode crimes are also perpetrated by juveniles." }, { "end_time": "1:21:56", "start_time": "1:21:56", "text": "Teenagers." }, { "end_time": "1:21:57", "start_time": "1:21:56", "text": "Teenagers." }, { "end_time": "1:21:57", "start_time": "1:21:57", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:22:03", "start_time": "1:21:57", "text": "So that is something that is that is a little disturbing." }, { "end_time": "1:22:07", "start_time": "1:22:03", "text": "It's not that it didn't happen in the past." }, { "end_time": "1:22:16", "start_time": "1:22:07", "text": "We had instances earlier of this happening earlier, but there is a certainly definitely a problem now happening that you have this exposure." }, { "end_time": "1:22:20", "start_time": "1:22:17", "text": "And the, what should I say?" }, { "end_time": "1:22:28", "start_time": "1:22:20", "text": "The the hesitation that used to exist because of social laws, that perhaps is not there anymore." }, { "end_time": "1:22:29", "start_time": "1:22:29", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:22:34", "start_time": "1:22:30", "text": "So so I think that's pretty much the end of this particular episode." }, { "end_time": "1:22:39", "start_time": "1:22:34", "text": "I sincerely hope that I did justice to at least your Kashmir experiences." }, { "end_time": "1:22:42", "start_time": "1:22:39", "text": "And as I said earlier, I think there's a lot more stories to unpack." }, { "end_time": "1:22:57", "start_time": "1:22:45", "text": "What I do with military vets and civil service vets, at the end of certain episodes, which have been extremely impactful for me on a personal but I'm dead sure for the audience as well." }, { "end_time": "1:23:03", "start_time": "1:22:58", "text": "We all collectively salute you on, behalf of team DRS for everything you've done for the country." }, { "end_time": "1:23:09", "start_time": "1:23:05", "text": "I hope that you know that you'd feel gratitude towards people like yourself." }, { "end_time": "1:23:14", "start_time": "1:23:10", "text": "And as they say, hard times build hard men, you're one of the hardest people I've had on the show." }, { "end_time": "1:23:15", "start_time": "1:23:14", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:23:16", "start_time": "1:23:15", "text": "I'm saying that as a compliment." }, { "end_time": "1:23:21", "start_time": "1:23:18", "text": "So just hope to talk to you again the next time in Hindi." }, { "end_time": "1:23:21", "start_time": "1:23:21", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "1:23:23", "start_time": "1:23:21", "text": "And I hope you had fun, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:23:24", "start_time": "1:23:24", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:23:25", "start_time": "1:23:24", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:23:27", "start_time": "1:23:25", "text": "That was the episode with SM Sahai." }, { "end_time": "1:23:29", "start_time": "1:23:27", "text": "I hope to have him back on the show." }, { "end_time": "1:23:32", "start_time": "1:23:29", "text": "Please let me know what you thought of today's episode." }, { "end_time": "1:23:34", "start_time": "1:23:32", "text": "This one was not easy for me to record." }, { "end_time": "1:23:46", "start_time": "1:23:35", "text": "It's been a while since we've been doing those military episodes, so I'd love for you guys to give us guest recommendations of IPS officers, of police officers, of military personnel." }, { "end_time": "1:23:48", "start_time": "1:23:46", "text": "Lots more coming up on TRS." }, { "end_time": "1:24:03", "start_time": "1:23:49", "text": "But for now, make sure you check out our Armed Forces and Police Forces playlist of TRS because if you enjoyed this particular episode, trust me, we've been recording these kind of slightly intense episodes for a very long time now." }, { "end_time": "1:24:05", "start_time": "1:24:03", "text": "And if you're a new listener of TRS, I highly episodes for a very long time now." }, { "end_time": "1:24:10", "start_time": "1:24:05", "text": "And if you're a new listener of TRS, I highly recommend that you go check out those episodes." }, { "end_time": "1:24:15", "start_time": "1:24:10", "text": "These are the real heroes of our nation, and they deserve to be celebrated." }, { "end_time": "1:24:16", "start_time": "1:24:15", "text": "So until next time, guys." }, { "end_time": "1:24:25", "start_time": "1:24:16", "text": "So Ranveer and the entire TRS team, big salute to SM Sahaisal, and a big thank you to you guys for supporting the Ranveer Show." } ] }

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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:07", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "Conversations with legends from the armed forces are my absolute favourite episodes to create on the Ranveer show." }, { "end_time": "0:15", "start_time": "0:07", "text": "We've covered a lot of army men stories on this podcast but this episode is with our first guest from the air force." }, { "end_time": "0:20", "start_time": "0:15", "text": "We were blessed enough to have Air Marshal Anil Chopra on the show." }, { "end_time": "0:23", "start_time": "0:20", "text": "He's considered a legend in the world of the Indian Air Force." }, { "end_time": "0:36", "start_time": "0:23", "text": "He's got countless stories, countless experiences and countless angles when it comes to talking about geopolitics, talking about what we refer to as air power, strategies related to the air force." }, { "end_time": "0:48", "start_time": "0:37", "text": "If you had a chance to check out our episode with Major Vivek Jacob and I know that many of you did and many of you enjoyed it, This is that same kind of energy but with a different kind of flavor." }, { "end_time": "0:52", "start_time": "0:48", "text": "Trust me this is one of the most exciting episodes we've created on the Ranveer show." }, { "end_time": "0:58", "start_time": "0:52", "text": "If you just want highlights of this podcast make sure you subscribe to our highlights channel TRS clips." }, { "end_time": "1:05", "start_time": "0:58", "text": "Also make sure you follow us on Spotify, every episode is available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world." }, { "end_time": "1:13", "start_time": "1:05", "text": "But for now this is m marshall Anil Chopra with his extremely adventurous life story on the Ranveer Show." }, { "end_time": "1:30", "start_time": "1:28", "text": "Air marshal Anil Chopra." }, { "end_time": "1:37", "start_time": "1:30", "text": "Sir, it is an honor having our first ever guest and hero from the world of the air force." }, { "end_time": "1:38", "start_time": "1:37", "text": "Thank you, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:45", "start_time": "1:38", "text": "This podcast was started with the intention of taking stories from the armed forces and inspiration from the armed forces out to the general public." }, { "end_time": "1:51", "start_time": "1:45", "text": "So our first air force podcast begins with an air marshal, and it's just a dream for me, honestly." }, { "end_time": "1:52", "start_time": "1:52", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:55", "start_time": "1:52", "text": "And, it's a pleasure for me to be with you all." }, { "end_time": "2:06", "start_time": "1:55", "text": "And, it's always, you know, one wants to reach out to the nation, and to the young people, so that, we can convey to them what our experiences are all about." }, { "end_time": "2:06", "start_time": "2:06", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "2:10", "start_time": "2:08", "text": "Sir, what do you think this episode is gonna be about?" }, { "end_time": "2:12", "start_time": "2:10", "text": "Like, how are you looking at this?" }, { "end_time": "2:18", "start_time": "2:12", "text": "You know, I I do various types of, you know, shows with different people." }, { "end_time": "2:32", "start_time": "2:18", "text": "But my, you know, global aim in life is to have an outreach to the young people to tell them what life in the military is all about and what, you know, can it be an inspiration to others?" }, { "end_time": "2:39", "start_time": "2:32", "text": "So that is the, you know, main, how I look at this already, events that I normally do." }, { "end_time": "2:40", "start_time": "2:39", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "2:52", "start_time": "2:41", "text": "So, sir, while I have all sorts of questions for you, right from the future of, the air force to the future of the armed forces in general to geopolitics, we have to begin with your story, sir." }, { "end_time": "2:56", "start_time": "2:53", "text": "So you're not from a military background." }, { "end_time": "2:57", "start_time": "2:56", "text": "Like your family is not a military family." }, { "end_time": "2:59", "start_time": "2:57", "text": "For some reason you chose the air force." }, { "end_time": "3:03", "start_time": "2:59", "text": "So I'd love to know how this story arc unfolded for you, sir." }, { "end_time": "3:04", "start_time": "3:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:10", "start_time": "3:04", "text": "You know, I belong to a middle class family from a small Punjab town called Kaputala." }, { "end_time": "3:14", "start_time": "3:10", "text": "You know, and in that place, there were not very many good schools when we were small." }, { "end_time": "3:19", "start_time": "3:14", "text": "And, all the people were looking for some good education for their children." }, { "end_time": "3:23", "start_time": "3:20", "text": "All of a sudden, one school came up in Kaputala." }, { "end_time": "3:26", "start_time": "3:23", "text": "That was one of the first school in 1961." }, { "end_time": "3:36", "start_time": "3:27", "text": "And that's the time all the people who had the who was sort of having some status in the town, they all wanted to put their children into this school." }, { "end_time": "3:38", "start_time": "3:36", "text": "So that's how I joined the school." }, { "end_time": "3:41", "start_time": "3:38", "text": "The aim was my father was a small businessman." }, { "end_time": "3:44", "start_time": "3:42", "text": "His aim was not to get me into the military." }, { "end_time": "3:49", "start_time": "3:45", "text": "So when I joined the school, basically, it was to have good education." }, { "end_time": "3:54", "start_time": "3:49", "text": "And a large number of my friends from the town, they had applied and joined." }, { "end_time": "4:00", "start_time": "3:55", "text": "But I must tell you once I was in the school, I saw people in military uniforms." }, { "end_time": "4:04", "start_time": "4:00", "text": "I saw how, you know, our life was extremely disciplined." }, { "end_time": "4:08", "start_time": "4:04", "text": "It was like a it was like a military kind of, you know, hostel." }, { "end_time": "4:12", "start_time": "4:09", "text": "And seeing this, I thought this is a great life." }, { "end_time": "4:18", "start_time": "4:12", "text": "These guys are my role models, and that is how I chose to want to want to join the armed forces." }, { "end_time": "4:31", "start_time": "4:19", "text": "But then, 1965, what happened and right on top of us, I saw some air combat, some airplanes flying, and that is the time my mind changed from just being a military man to be an air force pilot." }, { "end_time": "4:38", "start_time": "4:33", "text": "And then as I grew up, I applied for the National Defense Academy, and then went to the academy." }, { "end_time": "4:41", "start_time": "4:38", "text": "And in academy, of course, they hammer you hard." }, { "end_time": "4:45", "start_time": "4:42", "text": "You know, they they make a man out of the little boy that you are." }, { "end_time": "4:49", "start_time": "4:45", "text": "And that is, changed my entire life." }, { "end_time": "4:55", "start_time": "4:49", "text": "Being an air force cadet, I started flying and I found that there was a born flyer in me." }, { "end_time": "4:56", "start_time": "4:55", "text": "So did my instructors think." }, { "end_time": "5:02", "start_time": "4:57", "text": "And then, at a young age of 20 and a half, I was a fighter pilot." }, { "end_time": "5:03", "start_time": "5:02", "text": "I have was flying solo." }, { "end_time": "5:07", "start_time": "5:03", "text": "I was flying airplanes with bombs and rockets under it." }, { "end_time": "5:10", "start_time": "5:07", "text": "I was firing these weapons at firing ranges." }, { "end_time": "5:14", "start_time": "5:10", "text": "And that is how, I joined the armed forces." }, { "end_time": "5:17", "start_time": "5:14", "text": "And I must tell you that I'm extremely proud that I took the decision." }, { "end_time": "5:21", "start_time": "5:18", "text": "When I look back, I think that is the best thing I did in my life." }, { "end_time": "5:21", "start_time": "5:21", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "5:31", "start_time": "5:23", "text": "Sir, usually we save the thank yous from the youth for the end of the episode, but I'm going to begin with a thank you from the whole country for you, sir." }, { "end_time": "5:35", "start_time": "5:32", "text": "You know, so many questions related to the air force." }, { "end_time": "5:43", "start_time": "5:36", "text": "While we've covered the army, I I don't I don't think we specifically covered aspects of the air force." }, { "end_time": "5:49", "start_time": "5:43", "text": "So how would you introduce it to someone who doesn't even know what, say, a fighter jet is?" }, { "end_time": "5:54", "start_time": "5:49", "text": "How would you kind of introduce it to say a 4 year old who's watching this episode for the first time?" }, { "end_time": "5:54", "start_time": "5:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:58", "start_time": "5:54", "text": "What does the air force do other than just, you know, taking part in air combat?" }, { "end_time": "5:59", "start_time": "5:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:04", "start_time": "5:59", "text": "You know, I must tell you that, Air Force is well beyond just airplanes." }, { "end_time": "6:06", "start_time": "6:04", "text": "There is so much to the Air Force." }, { "end_time": "6:09", "start_time": "6:06", "text": "And, I've been a flying instructor." }, { "end_time": "6:20", "start_time": "6:09", "text": "So I have taught young boys, you know, who nowadays, of course, girls also, who used to come to the air force, and I used to, you know, educate them how the flying and everything is all about." }, { "end_time": "6:27", "start_time": "6:21", "text": "So what I, I must tell you is that, of course, the the basic thing is aviation." }, { "end_time": "6:32", "start_time": "6:27", "text": "The aircraft, the first thing, whether it's the fighter, the transport aircraft, the helicopters." }, { "end_time": "6:36", "start_time": "6:33", "text": "But there are other departments of the air force." }, { "end_time": "6:38", "start_time": "6:36", "text": "Very important department is the maintenance people." }, { "end_time": "6:41", "start_time": "6:38", "text": "The people who maintain the airplanes, get them fit enough to fly." }, { "end_time": "6:53", "start_time": "6:41", "text": "They're the guys who look after the administration, who are looking at runways, who are looking at various other aspects of the, you know, maintenance on on an airfield." }, { "end_time": "6:56", "start_time": "6:53", "text": "So it's, you know, it's all encompassing." }, { "end_time": "7:01", "start_time": "6:56", "text": "The person will look after your HR, your salaries, your legal aspects." }, { "end_time": "7:11", "start_time": "7:02", "text": "Like any organization, the air force is a self contained organization, but of course the core area remains flying because that is where the action is." }, { "end_time": "7:19", "start_time": "7:11", "text": "And, of course, in military, in the Indian Air Force combat flying is what matters, and that is, where we are." }, { "end_time": "7:19", "start_time": "7:19", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "7:26", "start_time": "7:20", "text": "As far as, you know, telling them how an European looks, Everybody has seen it." }, { "end_time": "7:28", "start_time": "7:26", "text": "Everybody flies in the airliners." }, { "end_time": "7:35", "start_time": "7:29", "text": "Of course, what the Indian Air Force does regularly is we have an outreach program for the children in schools and colleges." }, { "end_time": "7:36", "start_time": "7:35", "text": "We go and visit them." }, { "end_time": "7:37", "start_time": "7:36", "text": "We give them presentations." }, { "end_time": "7:44", "start_time": "7:38", "text": "And we have these displays that we are doing all over the country, whether it's the Surya Krin or the Sarang flying display team." }, { "end_time": "7:49", "start_time": "7:44", "text": "We do para drops, and we have these fighters doing some low level aerobatics." }, { "end_time": "7:51", "start_time": "7:49", "text": "So that is how we are trying to outreach the youth." }, { "end_time": "7:52", "start_time": "7:51", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "7:57", "start_time": "7:53", "text": "So what's the feeling like when you sit in a fighter jet for the first time?" }, { "end_time": "8:01", "start_time": "7:57", "text": "You know, what does the buoy inside every fighter feel?" }, { "end_time": "8:03", "start_time": "8:01", "text": "Like, can you describe your own experience?" }, { "end_time": "8:03", "start_time": "8:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:08", "start_time": "8:03", "text": "You know, firstly, I must tell you when I when did I see a fighter airplane for the first time?" }, { "end_time": "8:18", "start_time": "8:09", "text": "You know, there was an exhibition here in, near, you know, in the exhibition grounds in Delhi that was in 1969 or 6 70." }, { "end_time": "8:22", "start_time": "8:19", "text": "That used to be the famous aircraft those days." }, { "end_time": "8:27", "start_time": "8:23", "text": "And, you know, in the exhibition, there was an aircraft which was on display." }, { "end_time": "8:30", "start_time": "8:27", "text": "And when I looked at that aircraft, I could not believe it." }, { "end_time": "8:30", "start_time": "8:30", "text": "So small." }, { "end_time": "8:34", "start_time": "8:30", "text": "You know, Nat is one of the smallest aircraft ever built in the world, fighters." }, { "end_time": "8:35", "start_time": "8:35", "text": "It was so small." }, { "end_time": "8:40", "start_time": "8:35", "text": "I thought I was seeing a model till, somebody, standing over there told me, sir, no." }, { "end_time": "8:41", "start_time": "8:40", "text": "This is not a model." }, { "end_time": "8:43", "start_time": "8:41", "text": "This is the actual aircraft." }, { "end_time": "8:46", "start_time": "8:43", "text": "And I tell you the cockpit was so small." }, { "end_time": "8:47", "start_time": "8:46", "text": "The size was so small." }, { "end_time": "9:03", "start_time": "8:47", "text": "And when I physically saw when I joined the air force that same aircraft and the others, you know, you're literally squeezed into a very tight space in a fighter cockpit because the airplane has to be kept as thin as possible so that it can go fairly fast so they don't have too much of drag." }, { "end_time": "9:14", "start_time": "9:03", "text": "So therefore, the the the experience that you get first time touching metal, first time when you walk around the airplane, first time you sit in the cockpit, it's, it's out of the ordinary." }, { "end_time": "9:20", "start_time": "9:14", "text": "And I'm telling you, of course, fighter pilots are some people think they are big snobs." }, { "end_time": "9:29", "start_time": "9:20", "text": "But, you know, it's the most dynamic and most, you know, thrilling experience one can have is to fly a fighter airplane at high altitudes." }, { "end_time": "9:29", "start_time": "9:29", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "9:33", "start_time": "9:30", "text": "So what is what is the thrill aspect of it?" }, { "end_time": "9:35", "start_time": "9:33", "text": "Like, if you could describe that a little more." }, { "end_time": "9:35", "start_time": "9:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:39", "start_time": "9:35", "text": "You know, different people derive thrills from different things." }, { "end_time": "9:42", "start_time": "9:39", "text": "Somebody does, you know, paragliding." }, { "end_time": "9:45", "start_time": "9:43", "text": "Somebody does, you know, something on the ground." }, { "end_time": "9:46", "start_time": "9:45", "text": "Somebody is a great sportsman." }, { "end_time": "9:52", "start_time": "9:47", "text": "You know, so everybody derives thrills from different activities that they do in life." }, { "end_time": "10:00", "start_time": "9:52", "text": "But, you know, whenever you do, people especially who do extreme sports, you know, or do deep sea diving." }, { "end_time": "10:08", "start_time": "10:00", "text": "The levels of thrill are also indirectly linked to the level of risk that is involved in that whole exercise." }, { "end_time": "10:21", "start_time": "10:09", "text": "So in a in an aircraft, the, you know, to be able to maneuver, to be able to do aerobatics, to do hard turns in an aircraft, the, you know, the forces on your body are one hell of a lot." }, { "end_time": "10:23", "start_time": "10:21", "text": "The disc level is fairly high." }, { "end_time": "10:26", "start_time": "10:23", "text": "You know, later on, if you'll allow me, I will tell you." }, { "end_time": "10:31", "start_time": "10:26", "text": "I'm the only air marshal in the world to have ejected from a fighter aircraft because my aircraft engine blew up in the air." }, { "end_time": "10:34", "start_time": "10:31", "text": "And that was at an age of 59 years plus." }, { "end_time": "10:37", "start_time": "10:34", "text": "So, there is a level of risk." }, { "end_time": "10:43", "start_time": "10:37", "text": "There may have been at least 8 to 10 occasions in my life when I had a clothes brushed with my life in the air." }, { "end_time": "10:53", "start_time": "10:44", "text": "And all those I have subsequently documented them so that, you know, there were lessons to be learned from each case and so that the young pilots of the future can, you know, benefit from it." }, { "end_time": "10:55", "start_time": "10:54", "text": "So why wait for later?" }, { "end_time": "10:58", "start_time": "10:55", "text": "Why don't you just take us through the story right now?" }, { "end_time": "10:58", "start_time": "10:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:59", "start_time": "10:58", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "11:10", "start_time": "10:59", "text": "You know, I I I talk about this ejection, which has been a big thing because it became my headlines in all media within few minutes of it actually happening." }, { "end_time": "11:13", "start_time": "11:10", "text": "It was in Gwalior, 24th February." }, { "end_time": "11:23", "start_time": "11:13", "text": "I had, as an air marshal, gone on a, sort of official visit to the base Now to and I went into the same squadron which I had commanded many many years back, the Mirage 2000 squadron." }, { "end_time": "11:32", "start_time": "11:24", "text": "So in the squadron, it's traditional for senior military officers to lead from the front to go and fly to show to the young boys that, okay." }, { "end_time": "11:37", "start_time": "11:33", "text": "We we we are as strong, as bold as you people, young people are." }, { "end_time": "11:44", "start_time": "11:37", "text": "So, I, traditionally when a senior person comes, the CEO himself flies with you in a 2 seater." }, { "end_time": "11:47", "start_time": "11:44", "text": "But being a Mirage pioneer I was doing all the flying." }, { "end_time": "11:50", "start_time": "11:48", "text": "After we got the within 5 minutes we were climbing it around the height of 11,000 feet." }, { "end_time": "12:03", "start_time": "11:50", "text": "And when, we heard a huge bang at the back, just behind the rear seat." }, { "end_time": "12:13", "start_time": "12:04", "text": "And, when we looked inside we found that the engine, RPM was winding down, the temperature had shot up, the 5 warning light had come up." }, { "end_time": "12:17", "start_time": "12:14", "text": "So, that is an indication that engine has quit." }, { "end_time": "12:21", "start_time": "12:17", "text": "Something has obviously happened, either something has hit the engine or something has broken inside." }, { "end_time": "12:25", "start_time": "12:21", "text": "Later on we found out it is some turbine blade had broken." }, { "end_time": "12:29", "start_time": "12:25", "text": "But then the aircraft now is a fighter class airplane start descending very quickly." }, { "end_time": "12:38", "start_time": "12:29", "text": "You get a few seconds to take quick calls, and it's a test of your training, a test of your years of experience that time." }, { "end_time": "12:40", "start_time": "12:38", "text": "And you have to take a quick decision." }, { "end_time": "12:48", "start_time": "12:40", "text": "So between the two pilots, we were one was trying to restart the engine, and the other was, reading out all the parameters supporting each other." }, { "end_time": "12:51", "start_time": "12:48", "text": "And, when the time came that, okay, we're running out of height now." }, { "end_time": "12:59", "start_time": "12:51", "text": "So I gave a call to the other person, and that call is recorded on Internet all over because that call became very famous." }, { "end_time": "13:01", "start_time": "12:59", "text": "I said, Ram, it's time to go." }, { "end_time": "13:02", "start_time": "13:01", "text": "Let's pull the handles." }, { "end_time": "13:06", "start_time": "13:02", "text": "Because that boy's name was Ram, the person who was sitting in the other cockpit." }, { "end_time": "13:08", "start_time": "13:06", "text": "And then we pull the handle in." }, { "end_time": "13:18", "start_time": "13:08", "text": "You know, I must tell you, the entire ejection process after you pull the ejection seat handle takes about 2 and a half seconds." }, { "end_time": "13:30", "start_time": "13:19", "text": "In 2 and a half seconds, in this particular aircraft, 19 to 20 rocket stroke cartridges fired in a predesignated sequence." }, { "end_time": "13:34", "start_time": "13:30", "text": "And, moment, and that sequence cannot change." }, { "end_time": "13:36", "start_time": "13:34", "text": "I mean, happens very, very fast." }, { "end_time": "13:38", "start_time": "13:36", "text": "And many things have to be done, you know." }, { "end_time": "13:39", "start_time": "13:38", "text": "Your body is to be pulled back." }, { "end_time": "13:41", "start_time": "13:39", "text": "The canopy has to be flown away." }, { "end_time": "13:42", "start_time": "13:41", "text": "Lots of things." }, { "end_time": "13:48", "start_time": "13:42", "text": "And then you start the rocket must start firing in such a way that your neck or back doesn't go through compression." }, { "end_time": "13:51", "start_time": "13:48", "text": "So like that, lot of activity take place." }, { "end_time": "13:57", "start_time": "13:51", "text": "And in that 2 and a half seconds, the body is going through high g." }, { "end_time": "14:02", "start_time": "13:57", "text": "That is a force of gravity, close to 28, 30 g's." }, { "end_time": "14:05", "start_time": "14:02", "text": "You know, that runs one hell of a lot of force." }, { "end_time": "14:11", "start_time": "14:05", "text": "Your eyes immediately go through a blackout because the blood from your brain drains downwards." }, { "end_time": "14:17", "start_time": "14:11", "text": "And then, after 2 and a half seconds when the parachute opens, my god, that is bliss." }, { "end_time": "14:20", "start_time": "14:18", "text": "That's the time you feel, oh, my god." }, { "end_time": "14:20", "start_time": "14:20", "text": "I'm alright." }, { "end_time": "14:21", "start_time": "14:21", "text": "I'm alive." }, { "end_time": "14:25", "start_time": "14:22", "text": "Then you see the beautiful green countryside under you." }, { "end_time": "14:28", "start_time": "14:25", "text": "And that's the, super absolute feeling." }, { "end_time": "14:30", "start_time": "14:28", "text": "And of course, the parachute then descends." }, { "end_time": "14:35", "start_time": "14:30", "text": "In my case, the injection was on in Chambal, region." }, { "end_time": "14:48", "start_time": "14:35", "text": "We all know Chambal has got these little molds, you know, it's so, but but, you know, when you go by train through Chambal you get an impression that these are of mud." }, { "end_time": "14:56", "start_time": "14:48", "text": "But when you actually hit them, they are rock solid because you have seen 100 of years of weather, wind, and, you know, rain." }, { "end_time": "14:58", "start_time": "14:57", "text": "So they are rock solid." }, { "end_time": "15:02", "start_time": "14:58", "text": "And, you know, of course, they're after the story is long run." }, { "end_time": "15:06", "start_time": "15:02", "text": "How I reached the helicopter came, how we went over there." }, { "end_time": "15:15", "start_time": "15:06", "text": "But I want to tell you one very interesting thing, that, what were my feelings when I came out alive from this accident?" }, { "end_time": "15:18", "start_time": "15:15", "text": "You know, this is something I I want the youth to understand." }, { "end_time": "15:26", "start_time": "15:18", "text": "You know, everybody introspects for that moment that God forbid today, if I had not come back or I had gone." }, { "end_time": "15:31", "start_time": "15:26", "text": "Then I asked myself, what is it that I wanted to do in my life and I had not done?" }, { "end_time": "15:33", "start_time": "15:31", "text": "And 2 things came to my mind." }, { "end_time": "15:36", "start_time": "15:33", "text": "I always wanted to learn a musical instrument." }, { "end_time": "15:39", "start_time": "15:37", "text": "I had never learned a musical instrument." }, { "end_time": "15:41", "start_time": "15:39", "text": "And second thing came to my mind." }, { "end_time": "15:46", "start_time": "15:41", "text": "I always wanted somebody to bake bread in the house, Which had never happened." }, { "end_time": "15:55", "start_time": "15:47", "text": "So I told myself that the moment my initial hospitalization finishes, 1 or 2 days you have to be in the hospital because they have to check you out." }, { "end_time": "15:57", "start_time": "15:55", "text": "That's the first thing I did." }, { "end_time": "16:01", "start_time": "15:57", "text": "I went to Delhi School of Music in Chanakya Puri." }, { "end_time": "16:05", "start_time": "16:01", "text": "And I went and told them that I want to learn a music, musical instruments." }, { "end_time": "16:10", "start_time": "16:05", "text": "And then between us, me and the school decided that I must play saxophone." }, { "end_time": "16:17", "start_time": "16:10", "text": "So I went and bought a saxophone and within, you know, 20, 25 days I played my first song." }, { "end_time": "16:21", "start_time": "16:18", "text": "And today I can play the national anthem on the saxophone." }, { "end_time": "16:24", "start_time": "16:22", "text": "But, that's not what we're gonna do today." }, { "end_time": "16:30", "start_time": "16:25", "text": "And the second thing we got a good chef to come and teach us how to make bread at home." }, { "end_time": "16:33", "start_time": "16:30", "text": "So the point I'm making is, you know, life is short." }, { "end_time": "16:35", "start_time": "16:33", "text": "It has got its own dynamics." }, { "end_time": "16:42", "start_time": "16:35", "text": "And so there is a you must, you know, fulfill your desires as in when as early as you can." }, { "end_time": "16:45", "start_time": "16:42", "text": "So that you don't have to regret later in life." }, { "end_time": "16:45", "start_time": "16:45", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "16:48", "start_time": "16:48", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "16:50", "start_time": "16:48", "text": "So that's a heavy story." }, { "end_time": "16:55", "start_time": "16:51", "text": "But, you know, I gotta take you back to that moment, sir." }, { "end_time": "17:14", "start_time": "16:56", "text": "I don't think the arm gender understands what high G's actually feel like, you know, and, as far as I can tell, I believe as, air force, pilots as air force personal, your you are trained to deal with high g's gradually." }, { "end_time": "17:18", "start_time": "17:15", "text": "So what is that concept like, and what actually happens in your brain?" }, { "end_time": "17:19", "start_time": "17:18", "text": "What's the experience of it?" }, { "end_time": "17:20", "start_time": "17:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:22", "start_time": "17:20", "text": "You know, g is a force of gravity." }, { "end_time": "17:27", "start_time": "17:23", "text": "We all know when we are sitting on the I'm sitting you are sitting on a chair." }, { "end_time": "17:30", "start_time": "17:27", "text": "We are experiencing 1 g." }, { "end_time": "17:33", "start_time": "17:30", "text": "That is the way the earth is pulling to us." }, { "end_time": "17:37", "start_time": "17:33", "text": "We all know that every body attracts each other." }, { "end_time": "17:41", "start_time": "17:38", "text": "It has relation to mass and, you know, size." }, { "end_time": "17:47", "start_time": "17:43", "text": "So, we are getting I'm we are experiencing 1 g when we are sitting." }, { "end_time": "17:57", "start_time": "17:47", "text": "Now, in an airplane, in airliner, when the airliner turns, they turn very very gently and softly, but yet you experience 1.2, 1.3 g's." }, { "end_time": "18:01", "start_time": "17:57", "text": "That means a little more than, your normal g that you would." }, { "end_time": "18:14", "start_time": "18:01", "text": "Now imagine if this, in a fighter airplane, as you turn faster and faster, typically a Mirage 2000 f 16 class of airplanes, they can maximum go up to 9 g's." }, { "end_time": "18:16", "start_time": "18:15", "text": "Because they have been designed." }, { "end_time": "18:21", "start_time": "18:16", "text": "Otherwise, it's human because then you hit the human limit of sustaining such g's." }, { "end_time": "18:28", "start_time": "18:21", "text": "Now to improve your capability to withstand g's, there is a special g suit, which you which is made to wear." }, { "end_time": "18:34", "start_time": "18:28", "text": "Remember, you know, the soft parts of our body are the bellies and the thighs and the calves." }, { "end_time": "18:47", "start_time": "18:35", "text": "When, you when any force was to be exerted on our body, and the blood was to get drained, the blood tends to accumulate at the, you know, in your belly or on the thighs or in the calves." }, { "end_time": "18:51", "start_time": "18:47", "text": "Because that's a place where there is a place for the blood to be able to go." }, { "end_time": "18:55", "start_time": "18:52", "text": "So the g suit is such that you wear the g suit." }, { "end_time": "19:05", "start_time": "18:55", "text": "It has got special bags and automatically the air starts filling up at high pressure to compress these portions, so that the blood does not go." }, { "end_time": "19:07", "start_time": "19:05", "text": "So that is how the g is controlled." }, { "end_time": "19:18", "start_time": "19:08", "text": "And when you are a young pilot, you initially fly in a piston engine airplane and slowly graduate to jets, and then you go to high performance airplanes like Mirage 2,000, Mig 29, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "19:30", "start_time": "19:18", "text": "So by the time you reach those airplanes, your body has been gradually built up from that 1 g to 3, 4, 5 g, and then slowly slowly that you reach, the 9 g stage." }, { "end_time": "19:40", "start_time": "19:30", "text": "Now, what all happens is, even with those bags that you are wearing, you know, special g suit, The at higher g's, still the blood drains." }, { "end_time": "19:52", "start_time": "19:41", "text": "And beyond a point, the once the blood drains out of your brain, then you start getting a gray out and later on a blackout because the blood from the eyes also goes downwards." }, { "end_time": "20:06", "start_time": "19:53", "text": "And that is what is called so, the the airplanes have been designed to take not more to not to go more than 9 g, and these bags will reduce total impact of that 9 g to maybe 4 or 5 g's." }, { "end_time": "20:10", "start_time": "20:06", "text": "So that is how, this whole exercise of, g takes place." }, { "end_time": "20:10", "start_time": "20:10", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "20:17", "start_time": "20:11", "text": "So what do you understand about the sky when you actually start flying?" }, { "end_time": "20:21", "start_time": "20:17", "text": "And, you know, you also said something like you were a natural born fighter pilot." }, { "end_time": "20:24", "start_time": "20:21", "text": "Like, you had some sort of god given talent." }, { "end_time": "20:27", "start_time": "20:24", "text": "So could you take us through these two questions?" }, { "end_time": "20:29", "start_time": "20:27", "text": "Because it's something I'm trying to wrap my head around." }, { "end_time": "20:30", "start_time": "20:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:38", "start_time": "20:30", "text": "You know, in National Defense Academy NDA, till 4th term you are doing combined training, army, navy, air force." }, { "end_time": "20:43", "start_time": "20:38", "text": "We do combine training in the last one year that is, you know, 5th and 6th terms." }, { "end_time": "20:46", "start_time": "20:43", "text": "You start doing specific to your service training." }, { "end_time": "20:52", "start_time": "20:46", "text": "So we have something called the air force training team there, and that is where we used to go and train." }, { "end_time": "21:02", "start_time": "20:53", "text": "Now, when the ground subject started, I realized that, you know, I'm among the toppers as far as the ground subject was concerned related to aviation." }, { "end_time": "21:05", "start_time": "21:02", "text": "I was not the bravest of guys, otherwise." }, { "end_time": "21:10", "start_time": "21:06", "text": "And then when the flying started, they teach you gliding there in India." }, { "end_time": "21:17", "start_time": "21:11", "text": "And when I took to the air for the first time, I knew that, my god, this is quite alright." }, { "end_time": "21:27", "start_time": "21:17", "text": "And my instructor also started realizing that there is something in this guy who in the first attempt itself is being able to fly the airplane very accurately." }, { "end_time": "21:41", "start_time": "21:27", "text": "So I myself sensed it, my instructor sensed it, and you won't believe it that, in India I was selected to go for the trophy check for being the best pilot among the air force guys." }, { "end_time": "21:45", "start_time": "21:41", "text": "And subsequently, when I did get my commission, I won all the flying trophies." }, { "end_time": "21:58", "start_time": "21:46", "text": "But at this stage itself in National Defense Academy, my inclination to flying was so strong that I created a cockpit of an airplane which I was going to fly next in my own cabin." }, { "end_time": "22:06", "start_time": "21:58", "text": "And the entire senior hierarchy of the National Defense Academy and my own batchmates, they all used to come and sit in my cockpit which was fully functional." }, { "end_time": "22:09", "start_time": "22:07", "text": "And I had made it of cardboard and wood myself." }, { "end_time": "22:17", "start_time": "22:10", "text": "So I realized that my love for aviation is in my veins, it's in my blood." }, { "end_time": "22:29", "start_time": "22:17", "text": "And that, my instructors told me and in each stage of my training and subsequently as a test pilot, I was stopping all the, you know, courses related to flying per se." }, { "end_time": "22:38", "start_time": "22:29", "text": "So, there are people who have got that natural flare to fly, not many have." }, { "end_time": "22:42", "start_time": "22:38", "text": "Many are have to struggle, work very very hard to get there." }, { "end_time": "22:45", "start_time": "22:43", "text": "But it's, they they say it's God given." }, { "end_time": "22:47", "start_time": "22:45", "text": "It's like, you know, motor skills." }, { "end_time": "22:55", "start_time": "22:48", "text": "You know, some people learn cycling or swimming or some other motor skills much faster than the others." }, { "end_time": "23:01", "start_time": "22:55", "text": "So it is, I think, something to do with the this motor skills of the individual." }, { "end_time": "23:05", "start_time": "23:02", "text": "Your second question, I was?" }, { "end_time": "23:07", "start_time": "23:05", "text": "What do you learn about the sky, sir?" }, { "end_time": "23:08", "start_time": "23:07", "text": "Sky." }, { "end_time": "23:08", "start_time": "23:08", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:20", "start_time": "23:08", "text": "You know, when you get Avon for the first time, it's like, you know, when we were small, we were not allowed to climb because they had already stopped it." }, { "end_time": "23:27", "start_time": "23:20", "text": "But if somebody had gone to Eiffel Tower, which I went much later in my life, you get a view of the earth." }, { "end_time": "23:30", "start_time": "23:27", "text": "You get a view of the, you know, horizon." }, { "end_time": "23:42", "start_time": "23:31", "text": "When you're flying in an airliner, which most of the people do nowadays, you can if you look out of the window, which some inquisitive people are all the time looking out of the window, you see a horizon." }, { "end_time": "23:45", "start_time": "23:42", "text": "You can see, at very high altitude the earth is curved." }, { "end_time": "23:52", "start_time": "23:46", "text": "So, there is a different feeling you get in the sky, especially when you're flying alone." }, { "end_time": "23:53", "start_time": "23:52", "text": "Many are solo." }, { "end_time": "23:55", "start_time": "23:54", "text": "It's you, she." }, { "end_time": "23:56", "start_time": "23:55", "text": "She means the machine." }, { "end_time": "23:58", "start_time": "23:56", "text": "The airplane, we call her she." }, { "end_time": "24:00", "start_time": "23:58", "text": "The airplane is normally called as she." }, { "end_time": "24:06", "start_time": "24:00", "text": "So you are with her, and and thereafter, you're on your own." }, { "end_time": "24:09", "start_time": "24:06", "text": "Means the whole world is below, and you are there in the sky." }, { "end_time": "24:17", "start_time": "24:09", "text": "And, you know, when you fly in a very high altitude, which I did in the big 21, I flew at altitude of 21 kilometers." }, { "end_time": "24:20", "start_time": "24:17", "text": "That's about 65,000 feet." }, { "end_time": "24:24", "start_time": "24:20", "text": "Now at 65,000 feet, you're very, very close getting to the space." }, { "end_time": "24:30", "start_time": "24:24", "text": "You know, at a 100,000 feet onwards, you can say you're at about 100 kilometers." }, { "end_time": "24:32", "start_time": "24:30", "text": "In any case, the full fledged space starts." }, { "end_time": "24:35", "start_time": "24:32", "text": "And that's where all these space tourism people are going nowadays." }, { "end_time": "24:41", "start_time": "24:36", "text": "So, it's some people say it's a lonely feeling." }, { "end_time": "24:45", "start_time": "24:41", "text": "Because you're alone, and you're at far away from the earth." }, { "end_time": "24:50", "start_time": "24:45", "text": "So that kind of a feeling even some astronauts have said when they went out first time you felt lonely." }, { "end_time": "24:54", "start_time": "24:50", "text": "I did this I got a similar feeling that I am alone." }, { "end_time": "24:56", "start_time": "24:54", "text": "I'm so far away from the earth." }, { "end_time": "24:58", "start_time": "24:56", "text": "So that kind of a feeling you get." }, { "end_time": "25:00", "start_time": "24:58", "text": "Of course, sky changes colors." }, { "end_time": "25:03", "start_time": "25:00", "text": "I've seen a rainbow which is full 360 degree circle." }, { "end_time": "25:07", "start_time": "25:03", "text": "Because we see on the ground a rainbow because we are, you know, static on the ground." }, { "end_time": "25:11", "start_time": "25:07", "text": "But from the air, you'll from some angle you'll see a rainbow which is a full circle." }, { "end_time": "25:11", "start_time": "25:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:13", "start_time": "25:11", "text": "You know, because of the angles." }, { "end_time": "25:25", "start_time": "25:13", "text": "So the sky has its own, you know, dynamics, charm, the colors change, you you do day flying, you do dusk and dawn flying, you do night flying, you you know, how the earth changes." }, { "end_time": "25:33", "start_time": "25:25", "text": "Sun has already set here on the ground and I take off, at a dusk Saudi and after some time I've got sun again in front of me." }, { "end_time": "25:36", "start_time": "25:33", "text": "So, you know, so the the sky has a lot of dynamics." }, { "end_time": "25:37", "start_time": "25:37", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "25:38", "start_time": "25:38", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "25:39", "start_time": "25:39", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "25:48", "start_time": "25:41", "text": "So, like, you know, what could you describe something else that the amjanda won't understand about flying that high?" }, { "end_time": "25:52", "start_time": "25:48", "text": "Is there anything crazy that you've seen that you also not been able to wrap your head around?" }, { "end_time": "25:59", "start_time": "25:53", "text": "You know, the the the the one thing, of course, which is a little more serious in the air is the weather." }, { "end_time": "26:14", "start_time": "26:00", "text": "You know, especially, these thunder clouds, they they they can I have had 2, 3 flights, long duration in a thunder cloud, didn't even have a weather radar to tell me that where am I going?" }, { "end_time": "26:17", "start_time": "26:14", "text": "And the way the aircraft tosses, it can be." }, { "end_time": "26:27", "start_time": "26:17", "text": "And especially, sometimes, you know, when an airliner takes off and you immediately have to take off, especially in Mumbai, because there is so much of more rain there." }, { "end_time": "26:33", "start_time": "26:27", "text": "And sometimes you're coming for landing, you know, till the very last minute the pilot doesn't get to see the runway." }, { "end_time": "26:34", "start_time": "26:33", "text": "It's happened with me." }, { "end_time": "26:40", "start_time": "26:34", "text": "I have in monsoon, tried to land in transport aircraft, which I was flying as a test pilot." }, { "end_time": "26:51", "start_time": "26:40", "text": "And, you it's a close, you know, call that you have to take, whether to continue the landing or to go around and make another another attempt." }, { "end_time": "26:55", "start_time": "26:51", "text": "So there are weather is an issue, which is of, you know, dynamics." }, { "end_time": "27:06", "start_time": "26:55", "text": "And the second issue, which is of dynamics is, when you do air to air combat with multiple airplanes in the air, that is, you know, your situational awareness." }, { "end_time": "27:07", "start_time": "27:06", "text": "Where where is who?" }, { "end_time": "27:08", "start_time": "27:07", "text": "Who's your friend?" }, { "end_time": "27:09", "start_time": "27:08", "text": "Who's your foe?" }, { "end_time": "27:14", "start_time": "27:09", "text": "How we we we have to maneuver to position and not get shot up yourself." }, { "end_time": "27:17", "start_time": "27:14", "text": "Not to let other guy behind your tail." }, { "end_time": "27:24", "start_time": "27:17", "text": "So there is a lot of dynamics, in air combat, especially when it's in a multi, role aircraft." }, { "end_time": "27:30", "start_time": "27:24", "text": "One more area where you get extreme amount of thrill is when you're doing air to ground gunnery and you're getting good results." }, { "end_time": "27:32", "start_time": "27:30", "text": "You drop a bomb and it falls on the pin." }, { "end_time": "27:39", "start_time": "27:32", "text": "You know, you know, from that height, these sort of excitement and the thrill that you get out of that is absolutely out of the ordinary." }, { "end_time": "27:48", "start_time": "27:39", "text": "But same, I'm sure, when somebody on a, you know, firing range on the ground does it and gets a bull's eye, you know, the excitement is that one's there." }, { "end_time": "27:49", "start_time": "27:48", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "27:52", "start_time": "27:50", "text": "We have to ask you about air combat, sir." }, { "end_time": "27:59", "start_time": "27:52", "text": "What was your first experience like, and, what was your most intense experience like of air combat?" }, { "end_time": "27:59", "start_time": "27:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:05", "start_time": "27:59", "text": "You know, in air combat, first thing they do for to train you is to learn to do aerobatics." }, { "end_time": "28:11", "start_time": "28:05", "text": "That means to be able to throw the airplane in all dimensions, at all different speeds." }, { "end_time": "28:21", "start_time": "28:11", "text": "So that is the first phase where you are taught basic combat maneuvering by doing solo aerobatics in different form, which you start doing very early in life." }, { "end_time": "28:26", "start_time": "28:22", "text": "Thereafter you come to the next stage which is called 1 versus 1." }, { "end_time": "28:32", "start_time": "28:26", "text": "That means there are just 2 of you trying to do combat maneuvering between the 2 of you." }, { "end_time": "28:38", "start_time": "28:32", "text": "You could be positioned, you know, visibly abreast on the 2 aircraft in the air." }, { "end_time": "28:47", "start_time": "28:38", "text": "And then you look at the other guy, and the aim of this whole one versus one maneuvering is to not let that guy get behind you, rather you try to get behind him." }, { "end_time": "28:53", "start_time": "28:48", "text": "So that, because to fire a missile or gun, you know, basically you have to get behind the other person." }, { "end_time": "28:56", "start_time": "28:53", "text": "Of course, nowadays there are weapons that you don't have to get behind anybody." }, { "end_time": "29:03", "start_time": "28:56", "text": "You can fire from beyond visual range and you can fire it, you know, the missiles are there right from front quarter you can fire." }, { "end_time": "29:04", "start_time": "29:03", "text": "So that is different." }, { "end_time": "29:09", "start_time": "29:04", "text": "But when it comes to air combat, close combat we call it, that is how it is." }, { "end_time": "29:12", "start_time": "29:10", "text": "Then you graduate to 2 versus 1." }, { "end_time": "29:14", "start_time": "29:12", "text": "And then you graduate to 2 versus 2." }, { "end_time": "29:17", "start_time": "29:14", "text": "And then you graduate to 4 versus 2." }, { "end_time": "29:21", "start_time": "29:17", "text": "Like that number of airplanes and the degree of difficulty changes." }, { "end_time": "29:25", "start_time": "29:22", "text": "And, you could actually be vector by a ground radar." }, { "end_time": "29:27", "start_time": "29:25", "text": "There are 4 guys going on a strike." }, { "end_time": "29:29", "start_time": "29:27", "text": "2 of you are coming as interceptors." }, { "end_time": "29:38", "start_time": "29:29", "text": "You could be vectored from, the ground radar, and you could then pick up on your own airborne radar, and then you close-up to, that guy, and then engage into a combat." }, { "end_time": "29:40", "start_time": "29:38", "text": "So these scenarios keep adding." }, { "end_time": "29:46", "start_time": "29:40", "text": "And then for the complicity can be, complications can be added by bringing electronic warfare." }, { "end_time": "29:50", "start_time": "29:46", "text": "That the other guys, you know, system jams your radar." }, { "end_time": "29:52", "start_time": "29:50", "text": "So you can't see them through your own radar." }, { "end_time": "30:00", "start_time": "29:53", "text": "So like that in air combat, many many, you know, complex situations can be created." }, { "end_time": "30:03", "start_time": "30:00", "text": "And, you continue to train." }, { "end_time": "30:09", "start_time": "30:03", "text": "And, you know, to reach this 4 versus 2 and all, it could take 5, 6, 7 years of flying training." }, { "end_time": "30:17", "start_time": "30:10", "text": "That's the And each stage when you graduate from one stage to the other, you have some operational status attack." }, { "end_time": "30:20", "start_time": "30:17", "text": "You first made operationally fit for day only." }, { "end_time": "30:22", "start_time": "30:20", "text": "Then you're operationally fit day and night." }, { "end_time": "30:24", "start_time": "30:22", "text": "Then you become a 2 aircraft leader." }, { "end_time": "30:25", "start_time": "30:24", "text": "Then you become a 4 aircraft leader." }, { "end_time": "30:30", "start_time": "30:25", "text": "That means you can carry 4 people with you, you know, behind you, as a leader." }, { "end_time": "30:34", "start_time": "30:30", "text": "So like that, there are various phases of air combat training and status." }, { "end_time": "30:35", "start_time": "30:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:38", "start_time": "30:35", "text": "So what's been your most intense combat experience?" }, { "end_time": "30:39", "start_time": "30:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:43", "start_time": "30:39", "text": "You know, it's difficult to qualify because there'll be more than one." }, { "end_time": "30:50", "start_time": "30:43", "text": "There there there will be there were many cases where, the numbers of airplanes involved were large." }, { "end_time": "30:57", "start_time": "30:50", "text": "And since these are practice sorties, but our aircraft have got multifunction displays." }, { "end_time": "31:00", "start_time": "30:57", "text": "We have got our radar, the head up displays there." }, { "end_time": "31:02", "start_time": "31:00", "text": "All the pictures are recorded." }, { "end_time": "31:08", "start_time": "31:03", "text": "So when you come back and debrief, of course, now there are powerful debrief tools." }, { "end_time": "31:12", "start_time": "31:08", "text": "Everybody's position is being recorded on the ground." }, { "end_time": "31:15", "start_time": "31:12", "text": "And you play the entire combat on a single screen." }, { "end_time": "31:17", "start_time": "31:15", "text": "Everybody's airplanes can be played." }, { "end_time": "31:21", "start_time": "31:17", "text": "Like, what you see something in a, you know, video game." }, { "end_time": "31:27", "start_time": "31:21", "text": "So to say a particular, you know, air combat was something special, it's difficult to say." }, { "end_time": "31:36", "start_time": "31:27", "text": "But there were many times when, the air combat was complex and when you came and debriefed, you found, okay, who all made what mistake." }, { "end_time": "31:38", "start_time": "31:36", "text": "I mean, how how do you improve?" }, { "end_time": "31:41", "start_time": "31:38", "text": "Of course, you know, it's a never ending exercise." }, { "end_time": "31:42", "start_time": "31:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:48", "start_time": "31:42", "text": "So I'm almost embarrassed to ask you this question because I know that the armed forces do not like this question." }, { "end_time": "31:51", "start_time": "31:48", "text": "But again, I am sort of a spokesperson for the armed junta." }, { "end_time": "32:02", "start_time": "31:52", "text": "So, there was a movie called top gun that I'd seen when I was a teenager, And it had made me fall in love with the idea of the air force as it did with so many young people." }, { "end_time": "32:09", "start_time": "32:03", "text": "And I the reason I am embarrassed to ask you this question is because I know that movies are not a good representation of the armed forces." }, { "end_time": "32:11", "start_time": "32:09", "text": "That's what I've heard from armed forces all across." }, { "end_time": "32:13", "start_time": "32:12", "text": "Navy, army, air force." }, { "end_time": "32:22", "start_time": "32:13", "text": "But I would still ask you that is top gun the one movie that represents air force training well, or is there another movie, you know, that comes close to the real thing?" }, { "end_time": "32:23", "start_time": "32:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:27", "start_time": "32:23", "text": "You know, I'll tell you my take on this movie is slightly different." }, { "end_time": "32:35", "start_time": "32:27", "text": "You know, I I I feel there are lots of good movies made by different countries in America, UK, India." }, { "end_time": "32:37", "start_time": "32:36", "text": "Good movies." }, { "end_time": "32:42", "start_time": "32:37", "text": "Each movie the director tries to bring in some love story or some different other angles." }, { "end_time": "32:43", "start_time": "32:42", "text": "So it's just part of our life." }, { "end_time": "32:45", "start_time": "32:43", "text": "We all have love stories of our own." }, { "end_time": "32:48", "start_time": "32:45", "text": "So the point I'm saying is, that's okay." }, { "end_time": "32:51", "start_time": "32:49", "text": "Good movies have been made in India." }, { "end_time": "32:52", "start_time": "32:51", "text": "Good movies have been made." }, { "end_time": "32:55", "start_time": "32:52", "text": "Top Gun was very good movie when it was released." }, { "end_time": "32:56", "start_time": "32:55", "text": "I was doing training in Europe." }, { "end_time": "32:59", "start_time": "32:56", "text": "And, you know, so we were thrilled." }, { "end_time": "33:01", "start_time": "32:59", "text": "I saw that movie 2, 3 times." }, { "end_time": "33:06", "start_time": "33:01", "text": "And, of course, Tom Cruise did a great job." }, { "end_time": "33:11", "start_time": "33:06", "text": "And I really like that interpreter girl of, with the, you know, him." }, { "end_time": "33:14", "start_time": "33:12", "text": "But I must tell you an interesting thing." }, { "end_time": "33:16", "start_time": "33:14", "text": "Immediately after that, I was to take a flight those days." }, { "end_time": "33:25", "start_time": "33:16", "text": "I think the year was 87, and I was flying from there to, I I I was going from Amsterdam to Moscow." }, { "end_time": "33:28", "start_time": "33:25", "text": "And that flight would land at Warsaw." }, { "end_time": "33:34", "start_time": "33:28", "text": "And when I went to the boarding gate, and I was waiting, and, no passenger was there at the boarding gate." }, { "end_time": "33:35", "start_time": "33:34", "text": "I was there alone." }, { "end_time": "33:38", "start_time": "33:35", "text": "And then, after some time, some hostess came." }, { "end_time": "33:41", "start_time": "33:38", "text": "She said, sir, if you're ready, we can go." }, { "end_time": "33:42", "start_time": "33:41", "text": "I said, okay." }, { "end_time": "33:46", "start_time": "33:42", "text": "If it's time to go, I go went inside the aircraft and I found the aircraft empty." }, { "end_time": "33:50", "start_time": "33:47", "text": "And she said, sir, you can sit wherever you want." }, { "end_time": "33:51", "start_time": "33:50", "text": "I said, interesting." }, { "end_time": "33:53", "start_time": "33:51", "text": "I said, no, the boarding pass has got some seat." }, { "end_time": "33:53", "start_time": "33:53", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "33:54", "start_time": "33:53", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "33:55", "start_time": "33:54", "text": "You can sit wherever you want." }, { "end_time": "33:56", "start_time": "33:55", "text": "And then she closed the door." }, { "end_time": "33:58", "start_time": "33:57", "text": "I said, what about the other passengers?" }, { "end_time": "33:59", "start_time": "33:58", "text": "She said, sir, no." }, { "end_time": "34:01", "start_time": "33:59", "text": "You're the only passenger on board today." }, { "end_time": "34:03", "start_time": "34:02", "text": "So I asked this question." }, { "end_time": "34:06", "start_time": "34:03", "text": "I said, how many crew?" }, { "end_time": "34:09", "start_time": "34:06", "text": "She says, 2 pilots, 3 hostesses." }, { "end_time": "34:11", "start_time": "34:09", "text": "I said, now you have 3 pilots, 3 hostesses." }, { "end_time": "34:16", "start_time": "34:11", "text": "So, you know, I said, now you have 3." }, { "end_time": "34:17", "start_time": "34:16", "text": "She said, you are a pilot?" }, { "end_time": "34:18", "start_time": "34:17", "text": "I said, yes." }, { "end_time": "34:19", "start_time": "34:18", "text": "She said, what pilot?" }, { "end_time": "34:21", "start_time": "34:19", "text": "I had just finished my Mirage 2000 training." }, { "end_time": "34:23", "start_time": "34:21", "text": "And, I said Mirage 2000." }, { "end_time": "34:24", "start_time": "34:23", "text": "She says, fantastic." }, { "end_time": "34:29", "start_time": "34:25", "text": "And, you know, till today I've got some lovely pictures of those 3 hostesses and me." }, { "end_time": "34:32", "start_time": "34:29", "text": "They're taking some pictures in the cabin, then they invited me to the cockpit." }, { "end_time": "34:34", "start_time": "34:32", "text": "I sat with them in the no." }, { "end_time": "34:37", "start_time": "34:34", "text": "Coming back to this story about movies." }, { "end_time": "34:38", "start_time": "34:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:45", "start_time": "34:38", "text": "There is an element, cinematography, has to be brought in into a movie." }, { "end_time": "34:49", "start_time": "34:45", "text": "But I tell you, a lot of things that are shown are truth." }, { "end_time": "34:54", "start_time": "34:49", "text": "They may be a little exaggerated, which is fair enough because you want the public to understand." }, { "end_time": "35:03", "start_time": "34:54", "text": "But the kind of operation that take place, whether it's from the runways or from the aircraft carriers that they show in, you know, this movie." }, { "end_time": "35:08", "start_time": "35:03", "text": "It's fairly realistic, the kind of life they have in the bar in the evening." }, { "end_time": "35:10", "start_time": "35:08", "text": "How do they do the briefings and debriefing?" }, { "end_time": "35:15", "start_time": "35:11", "text": "They are very very, realistic, you know, movies." }, { "end_time": "35:21", "start_time": "35:15", "text": "And some of the movies even, you know, the army movie was made in 19 sixties immediately after the China war." }, { "end_time": "35:23", "start_time": "35:21", "text": "It was fantastic." }, { "end_time": "35:28", "start_time": "35:23", "text": "And there were some dedicated The border movie showed some good stuff." }, { "end_time": "35:30", "start_time": "35:28", "text": "There were other air force related." }, { "end_time": "35:35", "start_time": "35:30", "text": "Vijaytha was an excellent air force related movie, which shot mostly in Pune and Mumbai." }, { "end_time": "35:37", "start_time": "35:35", "text": "So great movies." }, { "end_time": "35:39", "start_time": "35:37", "text": "And by and large, yes." }, { "end_time": "35:42", "start_time": "35:40", "text": "Was a great movie, a military movie." }, { "end_time": "35:49", "start_time": "35:42", "text": "So, my convention is that, that movies do show fair amount of realistic stuff." }, { "end_time": "35:51", "start_time": "35:49", "text": "Of course, little exaggeration is always there." }, { "end_time": "35:55", "start_time": "35:51", "text": "We saw this movie recently an OTT, of this girl." }, { "end_time": "35:58", "start_time": "35:55", "text": "What is an Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:58", "start_time": "35:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:58", "start_time": "35:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:00", "start_time": "35:58", "text": "Gunjan, movie." }, { "end_time": "36:05", "start_time": "36:01", "text": "A little exaggeration was there about these toilets not being available for girls and all that." }, { "end_time": "36:07", "start_time": "36:06", "text": "But otherwise, the movie is nice." }, { "end_time": "36:09", "start_time": "36:07", "text": "They showed some good helicopter flying." }, { "end_time": "36:10", "start_time": "36:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:26", "start_time": "36:10", "text": "So the good thing for a movie producer is to have some military adviser on board who will make sure that technicalities, you know, if you put the ribbons on the wrong side, it shows more, you know, the research by the producer or the director." }, { "end_time": "36:33", "start_time": "36:27", "text": "So if those little, little things are looked after, Overall, I think that the movies are depicting good stuff." }, { "end_time": "36:38", "start_time": "36:33", "text": "And, you know, they always showing the armed forces in good light, which is important for us also." }, { "end_time": "36:38", "start_time": "36:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:39", "start_time": "36:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:48", "start_time": "36:41", "text": "So the one question I have to ask you is something I've never been able to wrap my head around as an outsider." }, { "end_time": "37:06", "start_time": "36:49", "text": "So as an outsider, sir, you assume that the air force is active in air combat only during war situations, because it will it will you'll basically be combating with the planes of another country, the jets of another country, because they're the only people who can afford it." }, { "end_time": "37:14", "start_time": "37:06", "text": "Now the the armed gender, kind of perceives the armed forces to be engaged in air combat only during, say, a war." }, { "end_time": "37:17", "start_time": "37:14", "text": "Like, you do assume that it was last during the cargo war." }, { "end_time": "37:18", "start_time": "37:17", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "37:23", "start_time": "37:18", "text": "Definitely, you'll have a role to play in something like a surgical strike where you're looking at the ground and there's a ground target." }, { "end_time": "37:25", "start_time": "37:23", "text": "But, is it correct to say that?" }, { "end_time": "37:28", "start_time": "37:25", "text": "Like like, the what can you tell us about air combat?" }, { "end_time": "37:30", "start_time": "37:28", "text": "When does it happen outside of wars?" }, { "end_time": "37:33", "start_time": "37:31", "text": "Like, and and if Yeah." }, { "end_time": "37:33", "start_time": "37:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "37:38", "start_time": "37:33", "text": "You know, I I must tell you that, you know, wars happen once in a while." }, { "end_time": "37:41", "start_time": "37:38", "text": "And in many countries they don't happen anymore." }, { "end_time": "37:43", "start_time": "37:41", "text": "And, we hope that it never happens." }, { "end_time": "37:48", "start_time": "37:43", "text": "Nobody in the military or in any country wants wars to happen." }, { "end_time": "37:53", "start_time": "37:48", "text": "But your training your training and your preparedness is the deterrence for not to happen." }, { "end_time": "38:02", "start_time": "37:54", "text": "So, whatever we do during peace time, of course, one is the combat related training for which what all we do, we do air to air combat practice." }, { "end_time": "38:09", "start_time": "38:02", "text": "We simulate 1 is, enemy adversary, sort of, I wouldn't use the word enemy, adversary airplane." }, { "end_time": "38:12", "start_time": "38:09", "text": "And the other one is, you know, friendly airplane." }, { "end_time": "38:14", "start_time": "38:12", "text": "So we do some exercises in air combat." }, { "end_time": "38:18", "start_time": "38:16", "text": "2nd we do is air to air air to ground gunnery." }, { "end_time": "38:19", "start_time": "38:18", "text": "Air to air gunnery." }, { "end_time": "38:28", "start_time": "38:19", "text": "You know, we practice firing weapons on ground targets so that when actually the balloon goes up, that you are going to hit the targets and not waste your weapons." }, { "end_time": "38:30", "start_time": "38:29", "text": "Weapons are very expensive nowadays." }, { "end_time": "38:33", "start_time": "38:31", "text": "And then you do air to air firing." }, { "end_time": "38:36", "start_time": "38:33", "text": "Now you remember this strike that we did?" }, { "end_time": "38:41", "start_time": "38:36", "text": "We fired the spice, you know, glide bomb." }, { "end_time": "38:44", "start_time": "38:41", "text": "Now that spice glide bomb cost $3,000,000." }, { "end_time": "38:50", "start_time": "38:45", "text": "You know, a fair amount very $300,000, not $3,000,000." }, { "end_time": "38:51", "start_time": "38:51", "text": "$300,000." }, { "end_time": "38:53", "start_time": "38:51", "text": "Fair amount of money." }, { "end_time": "38:57", "start_time": "38:53", "text": "So these weapons and this is the among the cheaper." }, { "end_time": "38:59", "start_time": "38:57", "text": "There are weapons which are costing in 1,000,000." }, { "end_time": "39:00", "start_time": "38:59", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "39:08", "start_time": "39:00", "text": "So, you do practice for these also, but the number of weapons that the country can afford to make you practice is very little." }, { "end_time": "39:11", "start_time": "39:08", "text": "Because it's very expensive and best kept forward." }, { "end_time": "39:18", "start_time": "39:11", "text": "But such weapons are so accurate that they will, 99% go and hit the target on the spot." }, { "end_time": "39:21", "start_time": "39:19", "text": "So, you know, that is why they are expensive." }, { "end_time": "39:25", "start_time": "39:21", "text": "That's why they're being sort of made with such high technology and been embedded." }, { "end_time": "39:29", "start_time": "39:25", "text": "In peacetime there is a lot of other things that the air force does." }, { "end_time": "39:38", "start_time": "39:29", "text": "You know, one is that, you know, assistance to, relief during disasters, for example." }, { "end_time": "39:45", "start_time": "39:38", "text": "You know, armed forces are the first to go in, and they're last to come out." }, { "end_time": "39:48", "start_time": "39:45", "text": "They are the 1st movers in case of a disaster." }, { "end_time": "39:55", "start_time": "39:49", "text": "You know, though we have got in the RF and so many other agencies, home ministry has got police has got each state has got something." }, { "end_time": "40:02", "start_time": "39:55", "text": "But the countries world over realize that the fast to move will be the armed forces." }, { "end_time": "40:09", "start_time": "40:02", "text": "So the air force picks up, even if they have to pick up the army guys, they have to pick up the NDRF guys, the doctors, the supplies." }, { "end_time": "40:13", "start_time": "40:10", "text": "You know, when an earthquake takes place, there's no landing ground." }, { "end_time": "40:15", "start_time": "40:13", "text": "So helicopters are to go and drop." }, { "end_time": "40:17", "start_time": "40:15", "text": "The first thing is to save people." }, { "end_time": "40:19", "start_time": "40:17", "text": "So get them some food and medicine." }, { "end_time": "40:23", "start_time": "40:19", "text": "And then to see if there's there's a landslide, the people are underneath that." }, { "end_time": "40:27", "start_time": "40:24", "text": "So the army must move in quickly to be able to clear that place." }, { "end_time": "40:30", "start_time": "40:27", "text": "So there are a lot of activities that the armed forces do." }, { "end_time": "40:31", "start_time": "40:30", "text": "They are there in India." }, { "end_time": "40:37", "start_time": "40:31", "text": "There is some flood or drop drop all over the country, somewhere or the other." }, { "end_time": "40:41", "start_time": "40:37", "text": "A cyclone are hitting our East Coast every year, 4, 5 of them hit." }, { "end_time": "40:45", "start_time": "40:42", "text": "And even in Gujarat, we we know a lot of cyclones come." }, { "end_time": "40:49", "start_time": "40:45", "text": "So that is where the armed forces in peace time are, you know, coming." }, { "end_time": "40:59", "start_time": "40:49", "text": "And if you see what we are doing in Kashmir, we are picking up small babies, we are carrying them, we are organizing deliveries of ladies, we are doing it to remote place, We are going and giving them food." }, { "end_time": "41:00", "start_time": "40:59", "text": "We are giving them electricity." }, { "end_time": "41:04", "start_time": "41:01", "text": "We are giving them, you know, facilities for education." }, { "end_time": "41:08", "start_time": "41:04", "text": "So lots and lots of things the armed forces are doing in peace time." }, { "end_time": "41:13", "start_time": "41:09", "text": "Other than preparing to, have capability building which will be required in war." }, { "end_time": "41:14", "start_time": "41:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "41:15", "start_time": "41:14", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "41:19", "start_time": "41:17", "text": "So how does one become an air marshal?" }, { "end_time": "41:24", "start_time": "41:19", "text": "Like, how do you actually rise up the ranks in the air force other than taking part in combat?" }, { "end_time": "41:30", "start_time": "41:24", "text": "I'm, the assumption is that you have showcased leadership on many levels, and that's why you've earned the promotion." }, { "end_time": "41:36", "start_time": "41:31", "text": "But could you explain how you showcase leadership, you know, within the air force itself?" }, { "end_time": "41:37", "start_time": "41:36", "text": "Is it strategic?" }, { "end_time": "41:39", "start_time": "41:37", "text": "Is it man management?" }, { "end_time": "41:40", "start_time": "41:39", "text": "Like, what is it?" }, { "end_time": "41:41", "start_time": "41:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "41:46", "start_time": "41:41", "text": "You know, somebody, a superstar may not become an air marshal." }, { "end_time": "41:50", "start_time": "41:46", "text": "Some very ordinary guy may grow up to be a marshal, but that's a generic statement." }, { "end_time": "42:05", "start_time": "41:51", "text": "You know, I personally feel, that's what I want to tell you, you know, viewers is that you must love the profession you are in, or get to the profession you love." }, { "end_time": "42:08", "start_time": "42:05", "text": "You know, there is no in between place." }, { "end_time": "42:10", "start_time": "42:08", "text": "We all know we all saw that movie 3 idiots." }, { "end_time": "42:23", "start_time": "42:11", "text": "And we saw how there is confusion among the youth to choose their profession because of the peer pressure, pressure from parents, you know, career building, making money, you know, all kinds of things come." }, { "end_time": "42:29", "start_time": "42:23", "text": "But the most important thing life is first is you should enjoy this life is once." }, { "end_time": "42:33", "start_time": "42:29", "text": "And then that one time, whatever you do, you must enjoy." }, { "end_time": "42:39", "start_time": "42:34", "text": "My second, point on this is passion and enthusiasm." }, { "end_time": "42:44", "start_time": "42:39", "text": "You know, in my life these are the most important two words of my life." }, { "end_time": "42:45", "start_time": "42:45", "text": "Passion." }, { "end_time": "42:47", "start_time": "42:45", "text": "That means you must love what you're doing." }, { "end_time": "42:48", "start_time": "42:47", "text": "Whatever you're doing." }, { "end_time": "42:49", "start_time": "42:48", "text": "You're right." }, { "end_time": "42:51", "start_time": "42:49", "text": "Now I'm writing books after retirement." }, { "end_time": "42:54", "start_time": "42:51", "text": "I'm loving writing that books." }, { "end_time": "42:55", "start_time": "42:54", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "42:56", "start_time": "42:55", "text": "I was in the air force." }, { "end_time": "42:57", "start_time": "42:56", "text": "I used to love to fly." }, { "end_time": "43:00", "start_time": "42:57", "text": "I wanted to fly again and again and again." }, { "end_time": "43:03", "start_time": "43:00", "text": "You know, even though I know there was a risk to it." }, { "end_time": "43:06", "start_time": "43:03", "text": "So one is passion, and second is enthusiasm." }, { "end_time": "43:24", "start_time": "43:06", "text": "You know, these two words together make a word called So, at a very young age I imbibe these two things." }, { "end_time": "43:26", "start_time": "43:25", "text": "Passion and enthusiasm." }, { "end_time": "43:36", "start_time": "43:27", "text": "Now, in service, to be a good officer, to rise up in rank or otherwise, there are many traits." }, { "end_time": "43:40", "start_time": "43:36", "text": "As you just pointed out leadership very important." }, { "end_time": "43:44", "start_time": "43:40", "text": "You have to lead people from the front, and the leadership doesn't start as an air marshal." }, { "end_time": "43:46", "start_time": "43:44", "text": "The leadership starts at a very young age." }, { "end_time": "43:52", "start_time": "43:46", "text": "You know, when you are leading a small section of 2 airplanes, the flying officer or flight lift, and you're a leader." }, { "end_time": "43:55", "start_time": "43:53", "text": "So leadership is very important." }, { "end_time": "43:59", "start_time": "43:56", "text": "You know, personal professional capability is also very important." }, { "end_time": "44:05", "start_time": "43:59", "text": "You know, that is even more important than, leadership, which becomes important a little later." }, { "end_time": "44:09", "start_time": "44:06", "text": "Is you should be professionally very good." }, { "end_time": "44:11", "start_time": "44:09", "text": "I should be a great flyer." }, { "end_time": "44:13", "start_time": "44:11", "text": "I should have technical information about the airplanes." }, { "end_time": "44:16", "start_time": "44:13", "text": "If somebody asks me a question, I should know about the enemy." }, { "end_time": "44:17", "start_time": "44:16", "text": "I should know." }, { "end_time": "44:18", "start_time": "44:17", "text": "I should have a lot of it." }, { "end_time": "44:21", "start_time": "44:18", "text": "And, you know, these guys get seen at young age." }, { "end_time": "44:23", "start_time": "44:21", "text": "You know, great professional, great flyer." }, { "end_time": "44:25", "start_time": "44:23", "text": "Always has direct hits in a bomb." }, { "end_time": "44:30", "start_time": "44:25", "text": "He's, you know, scoring high marks in every test that he's going through." }, { "end_time": "44:37", "start_time": "44:30", "text": "You and therefore, your annual assessment reports become better if you are more capable." }, { "end_time": "44:41", "start_time": "44:37", "text": "Then are you carrying are you a team man or you're a one man show?" }, { "end_time": "44:43", "start_time": "44:41", "text": "You know, that's very important." }, { "end_time": "44:49", "start_time": "44:43", "text": "There are many people who are want to outshine everybody, do everything themselves, but they're not team people." }, { "end_time": "44:52", "start_time": "44:50", "text": "They they don't carry their others with you." }, { "end_time": "44:53", "start_time": "44:52", "text": "So team is of 2 types." }, { "end_time": "44:56", "start_time": "44:53", "text": "I have to join up with others, others have to join up with me." }, { "end_time": "45:04", "start_time": "44:56", "text": "So, there are many many aspects of our personality, that count when you go higher." }, { "end_time": "45:09", "start_time": "45:04", "text": "Of course, there is a little bit of luck always because the promotion ratios are very adverse." }, { "end_time": "45:15", "start_time": "45:09", "text": "Means beyond the rank of wing commander, between every 3 guys only one mix." }, { "end_time": "45:17", "start_time": "45:15", "text": "So the pyramid is very very steep." }, { "end_time": "45:23", "start_time": "45:18", "text": "And only very very very small percentage become air marshals." }, { "end_time": "45:31", "start_time": "45:23", "text": "So I think I'm also lucky, that I'm sure they were a point comes when the differences between individuals is very little." }, { "end_time": "45:38", "start_time": "45:31", "text": "So hard to quantify these performances, though I've been in the head of HR in the Indian Air Force myself." }, { "end_time": "45:40", "start_time": "45:38", "text": "It's it's very, very difficult." }, { "end_time": "45:45", "start_time": "45:40", "text": "Sometimes one feels bad that somebody who was equally good didn't make it, you know, to that rank." }, { "end_time": "45:47", "start_time": "45:45", "text": "So, that way, yeah, God was kind." }, { "end_time": "45:49", "start_time": "45:47", "text": "God has been extremely kind throughout." }, { "end_time": "45:49", "start_time": "45:49", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "45:59", "start_time": "45:50", "text": "So I feel, you know, the people who are promoted are often the ones with sort of the best energy, and that energy is allowed to trickle down then to the rest of the team." }, { "end_time": "46:01", "start_time": "45:59", "text": "It's it's the same logic." }, { "end_time": "46:05", "start_time": "46:01", "text": "Like, when Dhoni was captain, there was, you know, a sense of calm in the entire Indian cricket team." }, { "end_time": "46:08", "start_time": "46:05", "text": "When Koli was the captain, there's a sense of aggression." }, { "end_time": "46:14", "start_time": "46:08", "text": "So each captain brings their own personality to the team, and that's what I'm assuming about, the military as well, sir." }, { "end_time": "46:15", "start_time": "46:15", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "46:16", "start_time": "46:15", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "46:17", "start_time": "46:16", "text": "It's it's like that." }, { "end_time": "46:21", "start_time": "46:17", "text": "You know, you you get some fantastic great examples you have given." }, { "end_time": "46:30", "start_time": "46:21", "text": "And, so, you know, as you grow in each continent, you require people of different mix because everybody can't be identical." }, { "end_time": "46:32", "start_time": "46:30", "text": "And, then only you form a good team." }, { "end_time": "46:35", "start_time": "46:32", "text": "And out of those team, the leaders emerge." }, { "end_time": "46:36", "start_time": "46:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:39", "start_time": "46:37", "text": "What have you learned about leadership, sir?" }, { "end_time": "46:42", "start_time": "46:39", "text": "Because I'm sure you had a learning curve when it came to leadership." }, { "end_time": "46:44", "start_time": "46:42", "text": "What what's your take on it?" }, { "end_time": "46:44", "start_time": "46:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:53", "start_time": "46:44", "text": "Now you see, for me, on leadership, most important is to find a role model and become one." }, { "end_time": "47:04", "start_time": "46:53", "text": "You know, I think this is the key, thing about leadership is all of us, as we grow, are watching large number of people in better positions, in senior positions." }, { "end_time": "47:09", "start_time": "47:05", "text": "And we are seeing traits in each one of them, which you like." }, { "end_time": "47:12", "start_time": "47:09", "text": "Now each guy may have 1 or 2 traits, may not have other 5." }, { "end_time": "47:14", "start_time": "47:13", "text": "And like there there are many guys." }, { "end_time": "47:20", "start_time": "47:14", "text": "And there are some guys who will have maybe more, maybe 4 out of the 5 traits they have got." }, { "end_time": "47:26", "start_time": "47:20", "text": "So each one of us in each profession in our life, we choose we look for role models." }, { "end_time": "47:31", "start_time": "47:27", "text": "Similarly, I used to tell my own self that I'm looking for role models." }, { "end_time": "47:35", "start_time": "47:31", "text": "There are others who are looking for role models for whom I could be a role model." }, { "end_time": "47:44", "start_time": "47:36", "text": "So if for a good leader, I personally feel is to find good role models and try to become a good role models." }, { "end_time": "47:46", "start_time": "47:44", "text": "You know, we all know the kind of traits." }, { "end_time": "47:51", "start_time": "47:46", "text": "I can, on a table, take a chart and list a 100 traits." }, { "end_time": "47:53", "start_time": "47:52", "text": "They're available on the Internet." }, { "end_time": "47:56", "start_time": "47:53", "text": "Any amount of leadership traits are available over there." }, { "end_time": "48:01", "start_time": "47:57", "text": "The second part of leadership is the buck stops here." }, { "end_time": "48:03", "start_time": "48:01", "text": "Shoulder is yours." }, { "end_time": "48:08", "start_time": "48:04", "text": "For every success, the team, it's the success of the team." }, { "end_time": "48:10", "start_time": "48:08", "text": "For every failure, it's mine." }, { "end_time": "48:12", "start_time": "48:10", "text": "I am responsible for that." }, { "end_time": "48:14", "start_time": "48:12", "text": "Because I was the head of the family." }, { "end_time": "48:18", "start_time": "48:14", "text": "So this head of the family culture is very very important." }, { "end_time": "48:23", "start_time": "48:18", "text": "There are large number of people in this world who the first sign of failure, they're looking for scapegoats." }, { "end_time": "48:25", "start_time": "48:23", "text": "They will blame it on somebody." }, { "end_time": "48:26", "start_time": "48:25", "text": "But he's not a good leader." }, { "end_time": "48:35", "start_time": "48:26", "text": "A leader must take the responsibility on himself, and when it comes to success he must distribute that success to everybody." }, { "end_time": "48:40", "start_time": "48:35", "text": "So I think these two aspects of leadership is what I think, you know, are very important." }, { "end_time": "48:41", "start_time": "48:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:45", "start_time": "48:41", "text": "So you've been a part of the air force for decades now." }, { "end_time": "48:53", "start_time": "48:45", "text": "Even after your retirement, you were still, you know, kind of your you are a part of a think tank when it comes to air power." }, { "end_time": "49:00", "start_time": "48:54", "text": "While I know this question is very wide and maybe your answer, you know, is actually very elaborate." }, { "end_time": "49:02", "start_time": "49:00", "text": "Feel free to answer it in short and long." }, { "end_time": "49:04", "start_time": "49:02", "text": "How will you deem fit?" }, { "end_time": "49:07", "start_time": "49:05", "text": "What is the future of the air force?" }, { "end_time": "49:12", "start_time": "49:07", "text": "Because what people understand is that drones have become a big part of, the air force." }, { "end_time": "49:14", "start_time": "49:13", "text": "Military warfare is changing." }, { "end_time": "49:16", "start_time": "49:14", "text": "Artificial intelligence is coming in." }, { "end_time": "49:21", "start_time": "49:16", "text": "And of course, after this, we're going to do a geopolitics episode, so you'll get to break it down there as well." }, { "end_time": "49:23", "start_time": "49:21", "text": "But could you shed a little bit of light on this?" }, { "end_time": "49:27", "start_time": "49:23", "text": "What's the future of, fighter pilots, basically?" }, { "end_time": "49:28", "start_time": "49:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:33", "start_time": "49:28", "text": "You know, since you in a preamble, you said that, you know, after you retired." }, { "end_time": "49:40", "start_time": "49:33", "text": "I must tell you the day I retired, you know, traditionally an air marshal is given a fable cup of tea by the air chief." }, { "end_time": "49:49", "start_time": "49:40", "text": "So I went to the chief and when I finished my 15, 20 minutes that he had to give me, He asked me, what is your plan now?" }, { "end_time": "49:55", "start_time": "49:50", "text": "So I told him, I said, now I'm the foot soldier of Indian air force." }, { "end_time": "49:56", "start_time": "49:55", "text": "So he said, no." }, { "end_time": "49:56", "start_time": "49:56", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "49:56", "start_time": "49:56", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "49:57", "start_time": "49:56", "text": "You're an air marshal." }, { "end_time": "49:59", "start_time": "49:57", "text": "You can't be a foot soldier." }, { "end_time": "50:00", "start_time": "49:59", "text": "You will be our ambassador." }, { "end_time": "50:01", "start_time": "50:00", "text": "I said, no." }, { "end_time": "50:02", "start_time": "50:01", "text": "Ambassador is big." }, { "end_time": "50:10", "start_time": "50:02", "text": "I said, my single mission after retirement will be to promote air park and bring in positivity in the youth of the country." }, { "end_time": "50:16", "start_time": "50:10", "text": "And I'm telling you, since then till today, that is what I've been doing." }, { "end_time": "50:17", "start_time": "50:16", "text": "The government was very kind." }, { "end_time": "50:23", "start_time": "50:17", "text": "They made me a member of an armed forces tribunal where I could give judgments to look after the welfare of our people." }, { "end_time": "50:30", "start_time": "50:24", "text": "1100 judgments I passed in 4 years as a judge in a tribunal which was equivalent to a high court judge." }, { "end_time": "50:35", "start_time": "50:30", "text": "I worked with National Green Tribunal on special projects that they gave me." }, { "end_time": "50:38", "start_time": "50:35", "text": "I was on the executive council of Johan Heroux University." }, { "end_time": "50:50", "start_time": "50:38", "text": "So in many ways and thereafter, 600 plus published articles I have written and 4 books, and that's how they made me this director general of this, think tank center for past studies." }, { "end_time": "50:53", "start_time": "50:50", "text": "And as far as your question is concerned, where are we heading?" }, { "end_time": "51:01", "start_time": "50:53", "text": "You know, in all times and in most walks of life, there is a demand of a thing and then the technology produces it." }, { "end_time": "51:03", "start_time": "51:01", "text": "Today, the times have changed." }, { "end_time": "51:12", "start_time": "51:03", "text": "There is technology which is driving future of air power and space power and practically every walk of life, including medicine." }, { "end_time": "51:24", "start_time": "51:12", "text": "You know, it is the technology which allowed you to do arthroscopic surgeries, allowed you to have, you know, your heart be repaired without, you know, actually cutting you up." }, { "end_time": "51:28", "start_time": "51:25", "text": "So same is true for the air path." }, { "end_time": "51:34", "start_time": "51:28", "text": "You know, the drones before that the military got the unmanned, uninhabited air vehicles." }, { "end_time": "51:44", "start_time": "51:34", "text": "I do not use the word, unmanned anymore, before somebody takes so uninhabited air vehicles and from that came the smaller drones." }, { "end_time": "51:54", "start_time": "51:44", "text": "And in civil life, you know, the deliveries the delivery of medicines to your milk packets, everything is now newspaper will all be delivered by drones." }, { "end_time": "51:57", "start_time": "51:54", "text": "You all the movies are being made using drone cameras." }, { "end_time": "52:00", "start_time": "51:58", "text": "The drones have got policing roles." }, { "end_time": "52:02", "start_time": "52:00", "text": "Drones are looking after forest." }, { "end_time": "52:12", "start_time": "52:02", "text": "They are looking after all things that you can think of because basically it's a camera which you are mounting at a higher altitude to drone is becoming." }, { "end_time": "52:15", "start_time": "52:12", "text": "Similarly, in military applications, a lot of weaponry." }, { "end_time": "52:17", "start_time": "52:15", "text": "So gradually, the pilots are getting out." }, { "end_time": "52:23", "start_time": "52:18", "text": "We are already talking of this morning, I was writing an article on how the future of air air power is going to be." }, { "end_time": "52:24", "start_time": "52:23", "text": "There are airplanes." }, { "end_time": "52:27", "start_time": "52:25", "text": "Airliners will soon have a single pilot." }, { "end_time": "52:36", "start_time": "52:27", "text": "And 5th maybe another 30, 40 years when the passengers can also be taken on board, you will have a pilotless airliner also." }, { "end_time": "52:37", "start_time": "52:36", "text": "So things are changing." }, { "end_time": "52:45", "start_time": "52:38", "text": "We have larger and larger number of unmanned, systems being inducted into the air force." }, { "end_time": "52:47", "start_time": "52:45", "text": "And technology is driving." }, { "end_time": "52:52", "start_time": "52:48", "text": "In times to come, air combat will not be there of the conventional type." }, { "end_time": "52:58", "start_time": "52:53", "text": "You will be firing missiles from 400, 500 kilometers away to knock off your adversary." }, { "end_time": "53:05", "start_time": "52:59", "text": "So they'll you will never see your adversary physically except on the radar blip or something like that." }, { "end_time": "53:07", "start_time": "53:05", "text": "So technology is gonna change." }, { "end_time": "53:09", "start_time": "53:07", "text": "The drones are here to stay." }, { "end_time": "53:12", "start_time": "53:10", "text": "Drove, we already have driverless cars." }, { "end_time": "53:15", "start_time": "53:12", "text": "You have ships which are having unmanned ships." }, { "end_time": "53:17", "start_time": "53:15", "text": "There are submarines." }, { "end_time": "53:20", "start_time": "53:17", "text": "Everything technology is going to drive." }, { "end_time": "53:25", "start_time": "53:20", "text": "The doctor can sit in America and do the operation in India through remote, you know, controls." }, { "end_time": "53:31", "start_time": "53:26", "text": "So that is how the future of, aviation is going to be." }, { "end_time": "53:33", "start_time": "53:31", "text": "It is going to be, more and more unmanned." }, { "end_time": "53:34", "start_time": "53:33", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "53:41", "start_time": "53:35", "text": "They say that every business eventually becomes a tech business or eventually will become a tech business in the times to come." }, { "end_time": "53:41", "start_time": "53:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "53:49", "start_time": "53:41", "text": "Would you say the same about the military that it will be entirely tech oriented that instead of actual human beings, we might have robots fighting each other." }, { "end_time": "53:50", "start_time": "53:49", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "53:50", "start_time": "53:50", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "53:53", "start_time": "53:51", "text": "Technologies exist today." }, { "end_time": "53:55", "start_time": "53:54", "text": "Robots are doing everything." }, { "end_time": "54:03", "start_time": "53:55", "text": "Why should a mind clearance be done by human being and with the risk of getting, you know, the mind blows up, you you will die." }, { "end_time": "54:06", "start_time": "54:03", "text": "So, robots have taken over mind clearance." }, { "end_time": "54:09", "start_time": "54:07", "text": "Robos are taking up physical fighting." }, { "end_time": "54:13", "start_time": "54:09", "text": "They have cameras, they got a gun, the robot can the robot can walk." }, { "end_time": "54:17", "start_time": "54:14", "text": "He can do every core that a human being could do." }, { "end_time": "54:24", "start_time": "54:18", "text": "Also, there are these special suits that a human being can wear." }, { "end_time": "54:28", "start_time": "54:24", "text": "Where his capacity to run and do things will become much more." }, { "end_time": "54:30", "start_time": "54:28", "text": "He can lift much larger loads." }, { "end_time": "54:35", "start_time": "54:30", "text": "So robotics have come into military in every sphere." }, { "end_time": "54:38", "start_time": "54:36", "text": "You know, inspection of an aircraft." }, { "end_time": "54:45", "start_time": "54:39", "text": "You know, this large airline, you have to have a ladder, to have a man climbing up and checking out the skin of the air." }, { "end_time": "54:46", "start_time": "54:46", "text": "I don't have to do that." }, { "end_time": "54:54", "start_time": "54:46", "text": "I have to have small drone which will go above the airplane and do the job in, one tenth of the time." }, { "end_time": "54:59", "start_time": "54:55", "text": "There are in the aircraft, there are now self healing materials." }, { "end_time": "55:03", "start_time": "55:00", "text": "All airliners will soon have self healing materials." }, { "end_time": "55:14", "start_time": "55:03", "text": "There will crack, there will be some epoxy which will go and, you know, block the so, there are the technology is changing every sphere of life." }, { "end_time": "55:19", "start_time": "55:14", "text": "It is software driven, we are our lives have changed, we are doing mobile banking." }, { "end_time": "55:20", "start_time": "55:19", "text": "I mean, everything we are doing on mobile." }, { "end_time": "55:26", "start_time": "55:20", "text": "Even a gold guy like me, has to remain mobile friendly, otherwise, you'll get left behind." }, { "end_time": "55:29", "start_time": "55:26", "text": "So that is the way things are in." }, { "end_time": "55:33", "start_time": "55:29", "text": "Aviation is surely changing in a big way, with unmanned system." }, { "end_time": "55:34", "start_time": "55:33", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "55:57", "start_time": "55:35", "text": "So major general GD Bakshi's request to the youth was that even if you don't want to join the military as a soldier or a fighter pilot or a navy man, you should join the military in some capacity, maybe as a technician or an engineer or help us develop technologies because that's what the actual need of the future is when it comes to the Indian Armed Forces." }, { "end_time": "55:59", "start_time": "55:57", "text": "So so would you echo that same thought?" }, { "end_time": "56:02", "start_time": "56:00", "text": "And, you know, just yeah." }, { "end_time": "56:09", "start_time": "56:02", "text": "Like, before we head into the final section of this episode, me, what's your message to Indian youth when it comes to the armed forces?" }, { "end_time": "56:09", "start_time": "56:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "56:17", "start_time": "56:09", "text": "You know, I will tell you the the armed forces, have, it's an outstanding carrier." }, { "end_time": "56:19", "start_time": "56:17", "text": "Now I'm gonna explain to you why." }, { "end_time": "56:23", "start_time": "56:20", "text": "First is that we pick up people very young." }, { "end_time": "56:33", "start_time": "56:23", "text": "We mold them, we discipline them, we educate them, we, you know, in, people think that in, when I joined armed forces I said, okay." }, { "end_time": "56:35", "start_time": "56:34", "text": "No more studies." }, { "end_time": "56:37", "start_time": "56:35", "text": "Till today, I'm studying." }, { "end_time": "56:40", "start_time": "56:38", "text": "Because there you have to remain a breast." }, { "end_time": "56:42", "start_time": "56:40", "text": "There is a technology in that." }, { "end_time": "56:47", "start_time": "56:42", "text": "You know, technologies in that first in armed forces and then into all other systems." }, { "end_time": "56:51", "start_time": "56:48", "text": "In all these, microchips and all first came to." }, { "end_time": "56:56", "start_time": "56:51", "text": "1 also because the military is gonna afford to spend much larger amounts of money for research, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "57:04", "start_time": "56:57", "text": "So, there is a discipline, good quality life that the service provides you." }, { "end_time": "57:10", "start_time": "57:04", "text": "I'm not talking about patriotism, which is very much important that every guy is patriotic." }, { "end_time": "57:10", "start_time": "57:10", "text": "We are secular." }, { "end_time": "57:15", "start_time": "57:11", "text": "We are the real guys who have no issues with we are working in my Scotland." }, { "end_time": "57:19", "start_time": "57:15", "text": "They work with the Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, all kinds of Jain." }, { "end_time": "57:19", "start_time": "57:19", "text": "You name it." }, { "end_time": "57:21", "start_time": "57:19", "text": "Buddhist, we have all kinds of people." }, { "end_time": "57:26", "start_time": "57:22", "text": "I mean, never even think on, those lines." }, { "end_time": "57:32", "start_time": "57:26", "text": "And whenever there is a, you know, so discipline of high model, high model." }, { "end_time": "57:37", "start_time": "57:33", "text": "You know, the the the percent of corrupt are very, very, very small." }, { "end_time": "57:42", "start_time": "57:37", "text": "Of course, there is always some influence on the armed forces, but you live a clean life." }, { "end_time": "57:43", "start_time": "57:42", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "57:48", "start_time": "57:43", "text": "If you think that, some people say there's less money in the armed forces." }, { "end_time": "57:51", "start_time": "57:48", "text": "My God, how many people are super rich outside?" }, { "end_time": "57:52", "start_time": "57:51", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "58:00", "start_time": "57:52", "text": "We we Everybody is looking at Ambani and, you know, the Microsoft and the Google heads to compare." }, { "end_time": "58:02", "start_time": "58:00", "text": "I will be able to earn much." }, { "end_time": "58:05", "start_time": "58:02", "text": "Yes, you will not be here because you'll get the government salaries here." }, { "end_time": "58:10", "start_time": "58:05", "text": "But the quality of life that armed forces provide you is phenomenal." }, { "end_time": "58:14", "start_time": "58:11", "text": "You know, you can I I I can pay a $1,000,000?" }, { "end_time": "58:17", "start_time": "58:14", "text": "I can't fly Mirage 2,000 every second day." }, { "end_time": "58:19", "start_time": "58:17", "text": "You know, and the quality of life." }, { "end_time": "58:21", "start_time": "58:19", "text": "You know, quality of life for your wife." }, { "end_time": "58:23", "start_time": "58:21", "text": "Quality of life for your children." }, { "end_time": "58:27", "start_time": "58:23", "text": "You're in a camp which is what see the physical fitness emphasis." }, { "end_time": "58:30", "start_time": "58:27", "text": "See the sports facilities that's available in a in a camp." }, { "end_time": "58:32", "start_time": "58:30", "text": "They see the exposure that they are given." }, { "end_time": "58:45", "start_time": "58:32", "text": "And the young children are all the time being exposed to, you know, the finishing school thing is being done in the in our service, you know, cantonments or camps all the time." }, { "end_time": "58:45", "start_time": "58:45", "text": "For everybody." }, { "end_time": "58:55", "start_time": "58:46", "text": "See these 2 ladies, you know, General Roberts' daughters, the way the composure with which they carried on these ceremonies, you know, in all that grief." }, { "end_time": "59:01", "start_time": "58:55", "text": "That was to tell the people, the youth of this nation that, you know, we have been proud children of a proud father." }, { "end_time": "59:03", "start_time": "59:01", "text": "You know, you this is a good example." }, { "end_time": "59:09", "start_time": "59:03", "text": "You saw how missus Litter, the Brigadier Litter's wife handled herself at the funeral." }, { "end_time": "59:11", "start_time": "59:09", "text": "You know, outstanding." }, { "end_time": "59:19", "start_time": "59:11", "text": "The statement that the daughter made shows military exposure and upbringing right from the childhood." }, { "end_time": "59:22", "start_time": "59:19", "text": "My children, they learn to ride in school." }, { "end_time": "59:26", "start_time": "59:22", "text": "They did, you know, micro flying in the air force." }, { "end_time": "59:29", "start_time": "59:26", "text": "They did They learned to swim." }, { "end_time": "59:34", "start_time": "59:29", "text": "Everything they did, they played scores, they played tennis, all when they were young." }, { "end_time": "59:40", "start_time": "59:34", "text": "Where else in this country or anywhere in the world can you get such an exposure, for your families?" }, { "end_time": "59:49", "start_time": "59:41", "text": "So from every point of view you remain a disciplined, upright, patriotic, secular, solid citizen." }, { "end_time": "59:51", "start_time": "59:49", "text": "You are well looked after." }, { "end_time": "59:52", "start_time": "59:51", "text": "You play best of games." }, { "end_time": "59:55", "start_time": "59:52", "text": "You play sports, tennis, golf, you name it." }, { "end_time": "59:59", "start_time": "59:56", "text": "And your families get such a great exposure." }, { "end_time": "1:00:02", "start_time": "59:59", "text": "Your wife are all the time doing welfare activities." }, { "end_time": "1:00:10", "start_time": "1:00:02", "text": "So which no organization in this country, none, can give you, this kind." }, { "end_time": "1:00:12", "start_time": "1:00:10", "text": "At this you're getting it for no money." }, { "end_time": "1:00:14", "start_time": "1:00:12", "text": "You are not paying any money for this." }, { "end_time": "1:00:17", "start_time": "1:00:14", "text": "It's the system is there." }, { "end_time": "1:00:23", "start_time": "1:00:17", "text": "Each one of us is making sure that every so the, you know, the armed forces are an outstanding place." }, { "end_time": "1:00:30", "start_time": "1:00:24", "text": "You know, whether it's adventure, whether it's, you know, pride, you name it." }, { "end_time": "1:00:35", "start_time": "1:00:31", "text": "Every good adjective that you can think of in a dictionary, you can get here in the armed forces." }, { "end_time": "1:00:36", "start_time": "1:00:35", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:00:38", "start_time": "1:00:36", "text": "So on this episode, we have one last round." }, { "end_time": "1:00:42", "start_time": "1:00:38", "text": "It's called the Twitter verse round, where we take questions from the audiences." }, { "end_time": "1:00:46", "start_time": "1:00:43", "text": "So think of it as a rapid fire kind of round for you." }, { "end_time": "1:00:47", "start_time": "1:00:47", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:00:58", "start_time": "1:00:48", "text": "So Sanjit Keswani from our team actually, he sent in a spicy question, which probably only someone from the air force can answer in a good way." }, { "end_time": "1:01:05", "start_time": "1:00:58", "text": "So the question might seem silly, but it is a topic that's spoken about a lot on the Internet nowadays, which is UFOs and aliens." }, { "end_time": "1:01:14", "start_time": "1:01:06", "text": "Is there any, is there anything you're allowed to say about these kind of topics on a public forum like this?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:15", "start_time": "1:01:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:01:16", "start_time": "1:01:15", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "1:01:17", "start_time": "1:01:16", "text": "It's an open subject." }, { "end_time": "1:01:22", "start_time": "1:01:17", "text": "UFO and aliens are not, they are not made made by the Air Force, Army, or Navy." }, { "end_time": "1:01:23", "start_time": "1:01:22", "text": "These are open subjects." }, { "end_time": "1:01:25", "start_time": "1:01:23", "text": "We can speak on anything." }, { "end_time": "1:01:34", "start_time": "1:01:25", "text": "And see, I tell you, I have read a lot about UFOs just inquisitively wanting to know, are they there or not there?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:44", "start_time": "1:01:34", "text": "You know, are there aliens other than some of the movies which we all have seen, including some, like, Hindi movie and all." }, { "end_time": "1:01:52", "start_time": "1:01:44", "text": "But my contention is I have not yet been able to make out that this is factually true or not." }, { "end_time": "1:01:56", "start_time": "1:01:52", "text": "But I must tell you that I do not wish to rule this out." }, { "end_time": "1:02:08", "start_time": "1:01:56", "text": "Because if Earth's in this huge universe, which is less than a sand, you know, particle, the earth in this whole universe can have intelligent life." }, { "end_time": "1:02:11", "start_time": "1:02:08", "text": "They could be even more intelligent life elsewhere." }, { "end_time": "1:02:12", "start_time": "1:02:11", "text": "In what form?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:13", "start_time": "1:02:12", "text": "How?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:16", "start_time": "1:02:13", "text": "Nobody knows whether it's a EP or is it a UFO?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:17", "start_time": "1:02:16", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "1:02:23", "start_time": "1:02:17", "text": "But we cannot rule that out, and we will continue to search answers for this all our lives." }, { "end_time": "1:02:24", "start_time": "1:02:23", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:02:29", "start_time": "1:02:24", "text": "So when you were flying, did you have any kind of funky experiences like this?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:34", "start_time": "1:02:29", "text": "Did you see anything a little weird ever, like, up there in the sky?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:34", "start_time": "1:02:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:02:42", "start_time": "1:02:34", "text": "You know, it's once at night flying, I I saw light moving all the way up when I was in there myself." }, { "end_time": "1:02:48", "start_time": "1:02:43", "text": "Then immediately called the data guy down below to find out, is there another airplane in this vicinity?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:49", "start_time": "1:02:48", "text": "He said, no." }, { "end_time": "1:02:52", "start_time": "1:02:49", "text": "I knew that it perhaps is some satellite or something else." }, { "end_time": "1:03:04", "start_time": "1:02:53", "text": "Sometimes, you do see some objects which look weird to you in there, whether they are reflections of some light or whether they are, something else." }, { "end_time": "1:03:12", "start_time": "1:03:04", "text": "A few occasions, it was a hydrogen balloon, which had been left let go by the weather department or something, and you didn't know about it." }, { "end_time": "1:03:13", "start_time": "1:03:12", "text": "You know, things like that." }, { "end_time": "1:03:21", "start_time": "1:03:13", "text": "But, otherwise, nothing that could be corroborated, as, being something, you know, alien or something." }, { "end_time": "1:03:22", "start_time": "1:03:21", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:03:22", "start_time": "1:03:22", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "1:03:25", "start_time": "1:03:22", "text": "Any, any kind of life form up there, sir?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:26", "start_time": "1:03:25", "text": "Because I have a I have a friend." }, { "end_time": "1:03:27", "start_time": "1:03:26", "text": "He's a YouTuber." }, { "end_time": "1:03:28", "start_time": "1:03:27", "text": "His name is Gaurav Taneja." }, { "end_time": "1:03:29", "start_time": "1:03:28", "text": "He's a pilot." }, { "end_time": "1:03:34", "start_time": "1:03:29", "text": "He once told me that in one of his flights, he had seen some strange kind of life form." }, { "end_time": "1:03:35", "start_time": "1:03:34", "text": "He's a commercial pilot." }, { "end_time": "1:03:43", "start_time": "1:03:35", "text": "So I'm sure the ultra duty flies at is a lot lower than, the ultra duty you flew at, but still, sir, have you seen any kind of life form?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:44", "start_time": "1:03:43", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:03:52", "start_time": "1:03:44", "text": "See, there are various types of lights, reflections, from you know, at very high altitude, these are these cirrus clouds." }, { "end_time": "1:03:53", "start_time": "1:03:52", "text": "Very, very thin clouds." }, { "end_time": "1:04:00", "start_time": "1:03:54", "text": "It could have some reflection from, sun or some other so there are light forms." }, { "end_time": "1:04:06", "start_time": "1:04:00", "text": "If you go further north, closer to the poles, there are various types of lights we all know about." }, { "end_time": "1:04:12", "start_time": "1:04:07", "text": "So, there are more you fly, more little little things you will get to see." }, { "end_time": "1:04:17", "start_time": "1:04:12", "text": "But, to correlate those things with anything is difficult to say." }, { "end_time": "1:04:18", "start_time": "1:04:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:04:19", "start_time": "1:04:18", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:04:19", "start_time": "1:04:19", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "1:04:21", "start_time": "1:04:21", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:04:24", "start_time": "1:04:21", "text": "Yash, we ask asks a very interesting question." }, { "end_time": "1:04:31", "start_time": "1:04:24", "text": "We actually had someone called Colonel Subin Barakrishnan on the show and, he also kind of brought up this topic." }, { "end_time": "1:04:37", "start_time": "1:04:31", "text": "So the question is how can we utilize the potential of retired defense personnel?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:39", "start_time": "1:04:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:04:48", "start_time": "1:04:39", "text": "You know, I will tell you a tremendous amount big resource, which, we have not yet been able to harness." }, { "end_time": "1:04:53", "start_time": "1:04:49", "text": "You know, for last 70 years, the government and the armed forces are talking." }, { "end_time": "1:04:55", "start_time": "1:04:53", "text": "There are many orders given by the governments." }, { "end_time": "1:05:06", "start_time": "1:04:55", "text": "You see, an air marshal retires at 60, but there are people who have other ranks who retire at young ages of 40, 45, or things like that." }, { "end_time": "1:05:09", "start_time": "1:05:06", "text": "And a huge working life, a disciplined guy." }, { "end_time": "1:05:13", "start_time": "1:05:09", "text": "So we are all the time trying to reskill them before they retire." }, { "end_time": "1:05:22", "start_time": "1:05:13", "text": "We try to reskill with large number of these people are going into banking." }, { "end_time": "1:05:25", "start_time": "1:05:23", "text": "They become general managers, bankers." }, { "end_time": "1:05:30", "start_time": "1:05:25", "text": "I have known when I was posted in Lucknow, there were 4 bank managers who ex sergeants from Indian Air Force." }, { "end_time": "1:05:32", "start_time": "1:05:30", "text": "You know, people are doing law." }, { "end_time": "1:05:38", "start_time": "1:05:32", "text": "A lot of them become lawyers because that's another profession where easy to fit into the outside world." }, { "end_time": "1:05:46", "start_time": "1:05:39", "text": "Aircraft industries, airports, a large number of them join up young people join up even these mobile companies." }, { "end_time": "1:05:48", "start_time": "1:05:46", "text": "So there is a lot of scope." }, { "end_time": "1:05:54", "start_time": "1:05:48", "text": "All the security agencies in the country are mostly being run by servicemen or military people." }, { "end_time": "1:06:03", "start_time": "1:05:54", "text": "So there is a great scope, but I think a lot more needs to be done because, so it's a sort of a mix between the guy." }, { "end_time": "1:06:04", "start_time": "1:06:03", "text": "Is he tired out?" }, { "end_time": "1:06:05", "start_time": "1:06:04", "text": "Does he want to switch off?" }, { "end_time": "1:06:07", "start_time": "1:06:05", "text": "Does he want to live a retired life?" }, { "end_time": "1:06:13", "start_time": "1:06:07", "text": "Or he wants to like the day I retired, I wanted to get going doing something." }, { "end_time": "1:06:14", "start_time": "1:06:13", "text": "Now I was 60." }, { "end_time": "1:06:16", "start_time": "1:06:15", "text": "Nowadays, even 70." }, { "end_time": "1:06:18", "start_time": "1:06:16", "text": "I'm today nearly 70." }, { "end_time": "1:06:22", "start_time": "1:06:19", "text": "And, you know, I I still see a lot of working life ahead of me." }, { "end_time": "1:06:27", "start_time": "1:06:22", "text": "So, the the the individual has to have a desire to want to do." }, { "end_time": "1:06:35", "start_time": "1:06:27", "text": "There are a lot of people who move back to their villages, especially the and they just relax at home or till they land, whatever little land they may have." }, { "end_time": "1:06:40", "start_time": "1:06:35", "text": "But the country has to get, you know, lateral move of people into police, for example." }, { "end_time": "1:06:43", "start_time": "1:06:41", "text": "And other security systems in the government." }, { "end_time": "1:06:46", "start_time": "1:06:45", "text": "They are very good at HR." }, { "end_time": "1:06:48", "start_time": "1:06:46", "text": "They are very good at administration." }, { "end_time": "1:06:49", "start_time": "1:06:48", "text": "So organizations can take on." }, { "end_time": "1:06:51", "start_time": "1:06:49", "text": "The DRDO can take." }, { "end_time": "1:06:52", "start_time": "1:06:51", "text": "The HIL, the PSUs can take." }, { "end_time": "1:06:57", "start_time": "1:06:52", "text": "So large number of areas where the people are all we're all the time interacting." }, { "end_time": "1:07:01", "start_time": "1:06:58", "text": "Some people do manage to get jobs, some don't." }, { "end_time": "1:07:12", "start_time": "1:07:01", "text": "And, sometimes there's a resistance, you know, to where to fit you in, you know, colonel, where when he goes to the police, you can't equate him to equivalent of a, you know, major or below or something like that." }, { "end_time": "1:07:20", "start_time": "1:07:12", "text": "So those concerns are there, but, the the there's a huge disciplined resource, who who's willing to, you know, do a lot of work." }, { "end_time": "1:07:21", "start_time": "1:07:20", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:07:22", "start_time": "1:07:22", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:07:31", "start_time": "1:07:24", "text": "So Harshid Gupta asks, is are the armed forces affected by the politics in the country?" }, { "end_time": "1:07:32", "start_time": "1:07:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:07:36", "start_time": "1:07:32", "text": "You know, see, normally, we are somewhat insulated." }, { "end_time": "1:07:37", "start_time": "1:07:36", "text": "Our controlments are stand alone." }, { "end_time": "1:07:38", "start_time": "1:07:37", "text": "We are." }, { "end_time": "1:07:58", "start_time": "1:07:38", "text": "But after social media came, now everybody has a mobile, smartphone, everybody's smart TV, the channels are mushroom, more than a 1000 channels, and all kinds of so the quantum of influence which was there when I was 40 years back when I was a youngster to what it is today is much much larger." }, { "end_time": "1:07:59", "start_time": "1:07:58", "text": "So we are." }, { "end_time": "1:08:07", "start_time": "1:07:59", "text": "But, you know, I will tell you in the last few years, I found that there is so much of negativity that is being promoted by some other television channels." }, { "end_time": "1:08:12", "start_time": "1:08:07", "text": "They're all the time wanting everybody to go to war, whether it's within India or outside." }, { "end_time": "1:08:15", "start_time": "1:08:13", "text": "Most of us don't even watch." }, { "end_time": "1:08:18", "start_time": "1:08:15", "text": "I do not want to watch a news channel ever." }, { "end_time": "1:08:21", "start_time": "1:08:18", "text": "Because I can get my relevant news on the Twitter." }, { "end_time": "1:08:23", "start_time": "1:08:21", "text": "I was on Twitter also there are awards going on." }, { "end_time": "1:08:26", "start_time": "1:08:24", "text": "But, it's so much better." }, { "end_time": "1:08:32", "start_time": "1:08:26", "text": "The TV time has reduced so much for us, because of, you know, the the other, means of information." }, { "end_time": "1:08:38", "start_time": "1:08:33", "text": "That we rather watch some good OTT movie or something like that in our TV time." }, { "end_time": "1:08:40", "start_time": "1:08:38", "text": "But it is natural." }, { "end_time": "1:08:47", "start_time": "1:08:40", "text": "It will always be that influence on the outside world, whether it's politics, whether it's, other things." }, { "end_time": "1:08:49", "start_time": "1:08:47", "text": "It does filter in." }, { "end_time": "1:08:56", "start_time": "1:08:49", "text": "But we, within these services, have a mechanism to make sure that those guys don't get carried away with those things and within our internal time." }, { "end_time": "1:08:58", "start_time": "1:08:56", "text": "We keep a jawan occupied all the time." }, { "end_time": "1:09:06", "start_time": "1:08:58", "text": "We're doing other works, so he doesn't have too much of time, to see the not so positive things, which flow from outside to inside." }, { "end_time": "1:09:06", "start_time": "1:09:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:09:11", "start_time": "1:09:06", "text": "So so I have one question, which is my final question of this podcast, which I will add to this Twitter section." }, { "end_time": "1:09:21", "start_time": "1:09:13", "text": "In your entire experience of working in the air force, what's the most memorable experience you've ever had?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:27", "start_time": "1:09:21", "text": "You know, something that you feel will, you know, always stay with you, maybe even beyond this life." }, { "end_time": "1:09:28", "start_time": "1:09:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:09:37", "start_time": "1:09:28", "text": "You know, it's, if I may use the word, it is a little little generic kind of a statement I might make." }, { "end_time": "1:09:41", "start_time": "1:09:38", "text": "For me, you know, love of life." }, { "end_time": "1:09:42", "start_time": "1:09:41", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:09:55", "start_time": "1:09:43", "text": "Now, you know, in at the end of our lives, if somebody was to ask you this question, If you were to come back as a human being again in your next life, what would you want to be?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:58", "start_time": "1:09:55", "text": "Then I will say I would want to be a fighter pilot." }, { "end_time": "1:10:18", "start_time": "1:09:58", "text": "You know, in every guy, in whatever profession, if you are a doctor, surgeon, whatever you are, or a software engineer, if you can at the end of your life, or your career, say that in my next life I would want to relive the same life, that means you have actually lived this life." }, { "end_time": "1:10:31", "start_time": "1:10:18", "text": "You know, I think this is a message which I want to again convey is that there are small, small memorable things which happen in our lives, in our personal lives, in professional lives." }, { "end_time": "1:10:41", "start_time": "1:10:32", "text": "But the big picture is that at the end of my life, if I can say I want to relive this life, boy, you have lived your life." }, { "end_time": "1:10:44", "start_time": "1:10:41", "text": "And you have enjoyed every moment of that life." }, { "end_time": "1:10:51", "start_time": "1:10:44", "text": "And that is, you know, what each one must endeavor to." }, { "end_time": "1:10:54", "start_time": "1:10:53", "text": "You you're really enjoying it." }, { "end_time": "1:10:55", "start_time": "1:10:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:10:56", "start_time": "1:10:56", "text": "Hey, Marshall." }, { "end_time": "1:11:05", "start_time": "1:10:56", "text": "And, sir, this was such an honor, such an exhilarating experience hearing about all your stories and, everything you saw up there in the sky." }, { "end_time": "1:11:11", "start_time": "1:11:06", "text": "I really couldn't have imagined a better first air force based podcast episode." }, { "end_time": "1:11:15", "start_time": "1:11:11", "text": "So I really hope it was worth your time as well, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:11:18", "start_time": "1:11:15", "text": "We we just tried creating the best possible piece with you." }, { "end_time": "1:11:21", "start_time": "1:11:18", "text": "And from the bottom of my heart, firstly, thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:11:24", "start_time": "1:11:21", "text": "Huge salute from the Indian youth for serving the country, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:11:30", "start_time": "1:11:24", "text": "And, maybe one last message from you, you know, to end this particular episode." }, { "end_time": "1:11:30", "start_time": "1:11:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:11:40", "start_time": "1:11:30", "text": "All I want to, firstly to thank you, for inviting me, hosting me, for this great podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:11:47", "start_time": "1:11:40", "text": "And, to the youth, I want to tell, you know, I'm a I'm a very very patriotic person." }, { "end_time": "1:11:49", "start_time": "1:11:47", "text": "So I want to give a very patriotic message." }, { "end_time": "1:11:52", "start_time": "1:11:49", "text": "You know, India is a great country." }, { "end_time": "1:11:56", "start_time": "1:11:53", "text": "You know, whether it's our, you know, our history." }, { "end_time": "1:12:11", "start_time": "1:11:56", "text": "Whether it's our, you know, huge, architecture, landmarks, you know, people, multicultural people that we have, the culture that we have, the dresses we wear, the food." }, { "end_time": "1:12:17", "start_time": "1:12:12", "text": "Everybody in the world, including Chinese, are sort of copying things from us." }, { "end_time": "1:12:25", "start_time": "1:12:17", "text": "So we are, you know, I say with pride that the car which is parked underneath here in the building, my car, it's number is 15th August 1947." }, { "end_time": "1:12:27", "start_time": "1:12:26", "text": "15 A 1947." }, { "end_time": "1:12:33", "start_time": "1:12:29", "text": "There are hundreds of things I do every day, which are India first." }, { "end_time": "1:12:36", "start_time": "1:12:33", "text": "I have a website called India first always dot com." }, { "end_time": "1:12:42", "start_time": "1:12:36", "text": "All the time I have make a large number of small, small items which I give as gifts to children." }, { "end_time": "1:12:49", "start_time": "1:12:42", "text": "You know, I've spent huge chunks of my money, of my retirement funds to for India." }, { "end_time": "1:12:51", "start_time": "1:12:49", "text": "Everything has got India on it." }, { "end_time": "1:12:57", "start_time": "1:12:52", "text": "Whether it's the paper pin that I'm wearing, whether there's little two flags over here, which are India." }, { "end_time": "1:13:03", "start_time": "1:12:58", "text": "My house, my everything, my heart, my mind is all India." }, { "end_time": "1:13:09", "start_time": "1:13:03", "text": "And I'm telling you India is a great country, notwithstanding the little complications that we all go through." }, { "end_time": "1:13:18", "start_time": "1:13:09", "text": "And be be proud be proud that we we were India and contribute to the country, to become a strong and good and happy nation." }, { "end_time": "1:13:18", "start_time": "1:13:18", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:13:21", "start_time": "1:13:19", "text": "Anurag Chopra, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:13:21", "start_time": "1:13:21", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:13:23", "start_time": "1:13:21", "text": "Absolute honor, and India salutes you." }, { "end_time": "1:13:24", "start_time": "1:13:23", "text": "Thank you, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:13:26", "start_time": "1:13:24", "text": "Thank you, and god bless you." }, { "end_time": "1:13:27", "start_time": "1:13:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:13:28", "start_time": "1:13:27", "text": "Great." }, { "end_time": "1:13:32", "start_time": "1:13:28", "text": "So you finished this entire episode featuring air marshal Anil Chopra." }, { "end_time": "1:13:35", "start_time": "1:13:32", "text": "Of course, sir, is going to be back on the podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:13:36", "start_time": "1:13:35", "text": "Next time, we'll speak about geopolitics." }, { "end_time": "1:13:42", "start_time": "1:13:37", "text": "I want to know how we can improve these Armed Forces podcasts even further." }, { "end_time": "1:13:50", "start_time": "1:13:42", "text": "I know that within the entire TRS community there's a mini community which only looks forward to Armed Forces podcasts and I'm a part of that community." }, { "end_time": "1:13:58", "start_time": "1:13:50", "text": "Trust me, I want to put out these stories, I want to put out these experiences, these learnings, I want to help the Indian Armed Forces even further with their branding." }, { "end_time": "1:14:09", "start_time": "1:13:58", "text": "So especially if there's Armed Forces personnel who are listening in, please let us know who else we should feature, what other questions we should ask, how we can improve our own game." }, { "end_time": "1:14:15", "start_time": "1:14:09", "text": "Again, I'd urge you guys to follow TRS clips where you'll only find highlights of each episode." }, { "end_time": "1:14:20", "start_time": "1:14:15", "text": "Now that we're releasing 2 podcasts every week, that particular channel is always full of new videos." }, { "end_time": "1:14:31", "start_time": "1:14:21", "text": "We're kind of maintaining it like a library of sorts where someone can go and binge watch all the podcast episodes by just watching the videos that they enjoy." }, { "end_time": "1:14:36", "start_time": "1:14:32", "text": "But also remember to follow the Renvee show on Spotify." }, { "end_time": "1:14:43", "start_time": "1:14:37", "text": "Spotify exclusive which means that every episode is available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world." }, { "end_time": "1:14:49", "start_time": "1:14:43", "text": "The episodes are available even before the clips are available on DRS clips." }, { "end_time": "1:14:53", "start_time": "1:14:49", "text": "Thank you for supporting us, thank you for watching this incredible episode." }, { "end_time": "1:14:58", "start_time": "1:14:53", "text": "This was one of my favourite episodes of the year and I hope you enjoyed it as much." }, { "end_time": "1:15:00", "start_time": "1:14:58", "text": "Namaste, Jai Hind." } ] }

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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:03", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "Some of our podcasts are much more popular than the others." }, { "end_time": "0:08", "start_time": "0:03", "text": "And this special 2 part conversation is gonna be just like that." }, { "end_time": "0:17", "start_time": "0:08", "text": "The podcast where we featured adventurers, people who've seen parts of the planet or parts of life or experiences that other people can only dream to see or experience." }, { "end_time": "0:25", "start_time": "0:18", "text": "Those are the podcasts that are the most fun to create for me, and I'm sure those are the podcasts that are the most fun to consume for you." }, { "end_time": "0:29", "start_time": "0:25", "text": "This is a special 2 part conversation with captain Sid Chakravarthy." }, { "end_time": "0:40", "start_time": "0:30", "text": "They say that 2 thirds of our planet consists of water bodies, and there's very few people who've explored that vast 2 third of the Earth's surface." }, { "end_time": "0:42", "start_time": "0:40", "text": "And Sid Chakravarthy is one of those people." }, { "end_time": "0:47", "start_time": "0:43", "text": "Both these parts have a lot of stories about the ocean, about his perspectives." }, { "end_time": "1:05", "start_time": "0:48", "text": "This part in particular will highlight his time in Antarctica, his journey, why he began this life, and, of course, a lot of stuff about fish, about the animals out there in the oceans, the issues that the oceans are facing right now, and a lot of other adventurous conversation." }, { "end_time": "1:06", "start_time": "1:06", "text": "Trust me." }, { "end_time": "1:08", "start_time": "1:06", "text": "You guys are gonna enjoy this one." }, { "end_time": "1:11", "start_time": "1:08", "text": "For more conversations like this, make sure you follow the show on Spotify." }, { "end_time": "1:18", "start_time": "1:12", "text": "We're Spotify exclusive now, which means that every episode is available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world." }, { "end_time": "1:23", "start_time": "1:19", "text": "This is part 1 of a special conversation with captain Sid Chakravarthy." }, { "end_time": "1:40", "start_time": "1:39", "text": "Captain Sid Chakravarthy." }, { "end_time": "1:42", "start_time": "1:41", "text": "Welcome to the Ranveer Show." }, { "end_time": "1:43", "start_time": "1:42", "text": "Thanks Ranveer." }, { "end_time": "1:44", "start_time": "1:43", "text": "Happy to be here." }, { "end_time": "1:47", "start_time": "1:44", "text": "We've been told that don't do no Bollywood podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:50", "start_time": "1:47", "text": "We want real adventures, real life stories." }, { "end_time": "1:53", "start_time": "1:51", "text": "Well, reality can be stranger than fiction." }, { "end_time": "1:55", "start_time": "1:53", "text": "So Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:05", "start_time": "1:55", "text": "You know, as a content house, what we enjoy the most is when we get a comment saying, yo, this kind of content is not available on Netflix or movies or any of it's available on podcasts." }, { "end_time": "2:09", "start_time": "2:05", "text": "You're someone who spent 20 years dealing with the ocean, all its dangers." }, { "end_time": "2:11", "start_time": "2:09", "text": "You've gone diving." }, { "end_time": "2:14", "start_time": "2:11", "text": "You've seen things that very few human beings have seen." }, { "end_time": "2:18", "start_time": "2:15", "text": "You've had an adventurous 2 decades, man." }, { "end_time": "2:19", "start_time": "2:19", "text": "I have." }, { "end_time": "2:19", "start_time": "2:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:27", "start_time": "2:19", "text": "I mean, the first 10 years of my life were working at sea, which had its own adventures because obviously you're out at sea for many, many months." }, { "end_time": "2:29", "start_time": "2:27", "text": "And then over the next last 10 years, it's taken a very interesting turns." }, { "end_time": "2:40", "start_time": "2:29", "text": "You know, 4 trips to Antarctica, parts of the oceans where very few people have gone to, having helicopters on the ships, fast boats, boat cases, chasing criminals." }, { "end_time": "2:41", "start_time": "2:40", "text": "So there's been a lot of it." }, { "end_time": "2:42", "start_time": "2:41", "text": "Pirates?" }, { "end_time": "2:45", "start_time": "2:43", "text": "Pirates as in pirate fishing vessels." }, { "end_time": "2:45", "start_time": "2:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:47", "start_time": "2:45", "text": "There's a lot of that out there as well in the history." }, { "end_time": "2:49", "start_time": "2:47", "text": "The modern day pirates, honestly." }, { "end_time": "2:50", "start_time": "2:50", "text": "They are." }, { "end_time": "2:53", "start_time": "2:50", "text": "I mean, these are actually pirates at least were not institutional." }, { "end_time": "2:57", "start_time": "2:54", "text": "We have institutionalized piracy now, which happens." }, { "end_time": "2:59", "start_time": "2:57", "text": "You mean governments control these institutions?" }, { "end_time": "3:02", "start_time": "3:00", "text": "Not government really, but these are proper transnational companies." }, { "end_time": "3:04", "start_time": "3:02", "text": "So, you know, they'd be flagged in Spain." }, { "end_time": "3:06", "start_time": "3:04", "text": "They'd probably have an office in Hong Kong." }, { "end_time": "3:11", "start_time": "3:06", "text": "They'd have crew from Peru or Indonesia, and they run very sophisticated operations." }, { "end_time": "3:12", "start_time": "3:11", "text": "So it's not fly by night Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "3:16", "start_time": "3:13", "text": "Piracy that we think about, but it's modern day piracy." }, { "end_time": "3:18", "start_time": "3:16", "text": "So it's got its own modern manifestations." }, { "end_time": "3:26", "start_time": "3:18", "text": "Like, you know, you read about those manual labor camps in the gulf where, people from the interiors of Indian villages are told, okay, go in the gulf." }, { "end_time": "3:27", "start_time": "3:26", "text": "You'll earn higher money." }, { "end_time": "3:33", "start_time": "3:27", "text": "They do earn, like, higher amounts of money, but at the same time, they're undergoing, basically manual labor." }, { "end_time": "3:35", "start_time": "3:34", "text": "And, what's the word for it?" }, { "end_time": "3:39", "start_time": "3:35", "text": "Human rights violations are like rampant in the gulf." }, { "end_time": "3:43", "start_time": "3:39", "text": "But what people don't know is that human rights violations are rampant in the oceans as well." }, { "end_time": "3:46", "start_time": "3:44", "text": "And it's just something that people don't think of a lot." }, { "end_time": "3:51", "start_time": "3:46", "text": "People think of the Gulf who thinks of the ocean, who thinks of the seafood that you're eating your Bengali." }, { "end_time": "3:51", "start_time": "3:51", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "3:54", "start_time": "3:51", "text": "So that's the other angle with seafood." }, { "end_time": "3:54", "start_time": "3:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:01", "start_time": "3:54", "text": "Has your opinion on seafood changed after knowing like, you know, all the human rights violations that go on in the oceans?" }, { "end_time": "4:03", "start_time": "4:02", "text": "It has." }, { "end_time": "4:09", "start_time": "4:03", "text": "I mean, so I when I went out to sea, I was at 18, and I was just somebody who was excited by the sea." }, { "end_time": "4:11", "start_time": "4:09", "text": "You know, you go out there, you work, you put in many hours." }, { "end_time": "4:14", "start_time": "4:11", "text": "I used to work on merchant ships, and it was a whole different life." }, { "end_time": "4:24", "start_time": "4:14", "text": "And then I started working for Sea Shepherd, which is a conservation organization, and started seeing things that usually one doesn't get to see even if you're working at sea." }, { "end_time": "4:27", "start_time": "4:24", "text": "And that's the workers who are on these fishing boats." }, { "end_time": "4:29", "start_time": "4:27", "text": "And it's not just my personal observation." }, { "end_time": "4:31", "start_time": "4:29", "text": "There's a lot of reporting that has now happened." }, { "end_time": "4:37", "start_time": "4:32", "text": "It's one of the least regulated in terms of labor rights, etcetera, enforcement." }, { "end_time": "4:42", "start_time": "4:37", "text": "And it's also a very dangerous job if you're out at sea for 3 65 days of the year." }, { "end_time": "4:45", "start_time": "4:42", "text": "And in fact, some workers are out at sea for 3, 4 years." }, { "end_time": "4:48", "start_time": "4:45", "text": "And they work 20 hour days, low paid work." }, { "end_time": "4:50", "start_time": "4:48", "text": "It's dangerous through storms." }, { "end_time": "4:52", "start_time": "4:50", "text": "Chasing fish is no easy job." }, { "end_time": "4:56", "start_time": "4:52", "text": "And so that brought me to a phase in my life where I was vegan for 6 years." }, { "end_time": "5:00", "start_time": "4:56", "text": "And then I shifted back to India and I started working with fishing communities here." }, { "end_time": "5:03", "start_time": "5:00", "text": "And I saw how fish is primary food for them." }, { "end_time": "5:10", "start_time": "5:03", "text": "And so when I work with them, I've gone to not being vegan again because I've kind of advanced my thinking about what is the ocean, what is food." }, { "end_time": "5:10", "start_time": "5:10", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "5:16", "start_time": "5:10", "text": "But, yeah, there's a huge social component, whether that's workers, whether that's communities, all of that at sea." }, { "end_time": "5:19", "start_time": "5:16", "text": "But that doesn't come back to land as much." }, { "end_time": "5:23", "start_time": "5:19", "text": "What is it that the average person doesn't know at all about the ocean, but you know?" }, { "end_time": "5:27", "start_time": "5:23", "text": "And you're like, your people should, like, know about this." }, { "end_time": "5:39", "start_time": "5:27", "text": "I mean, I think since we were talking about workers, who works for 4 years continuously every single day of the week for 20 hours a week Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "5:42", "start_time": "5:39", "text": "On a fishing boat that, let's say, runs out a 100 kilometers of line." }, { "end_time": "5:46", "start_time": "5:42", "text": "And 100 kilometers, like, I've driven 100 kilometers to be on your shore." }, { "end_time": "5:46", "start_time": "5:46", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "5:50", "start_time": "5:46", "text": "So that's the kind of fishing gear that a fishing boat is laying out every day." }, { "end_time": "5:50", "start_time": "5:50", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "5:53", "start_time": "5:50", "text": "There's 10 people on those boats, and it doesn't come back." }, { "end_time": "5:57", "start_time": "5:53", "text": "So it leaves a port, let's say, in Taiwan, and it's in the middle of the Pacific catching tuna." }, { "end_time": "6:01", "start_time": "5:58", "text": "And it doesn't come back 4 years from the day it's left." }, { "end_time": "6:05", "start_time": "6:01", "text": "And that's immensely industrial and out of people's realities." }, { "end_time": "6:05", "start_time": "6:05", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "6:12", "start_time": "6:05", "text": "Like, we think about people migrating from Bihar or UP and coming to work in the hospitality industry or construction industry." }, { "end_time": "6:15", "start_time": "6:12", "text": "We think about people going to the gulf, but they're still on land." }, { "end_time": "6:16", "start_time": "6:15", "text": "Not to say conditions should be compared." }, { "end_time": "6:23", "start_time": "6:17", "text": "But, you know, just being out at sea on a boat floating in the middle of the ocean for 4 years, I think that's pretty intense." }, { "end_time": "6:29", "start_time": "6:23", "text": "Not a lot of people know that that's the kind of work that is taken to catch fish that we find on our supermarket shelves." }, { "end_time": "6:34", "start_time": "6:29", "text": "Is it true that the ocean is running out of fish that you can eat?" }, { "end_time": "6:36", "start_time": "6:36", "text": "It is." }, { "end_time": "6:42", "start_time": "6:36", "text": "I mean, so let's say a very short history in the way the oceans existed is the last 100 years." }, { "end_time": "6:48", "start_time": "6:42", "text": "So Japanese American expansion after world war 1, world war 2 was the first kind of global expansion into the oceans." }, { "end_time": "6:54", "start_time": "6:48", "text": "Before that, most countries didn't think about the oceans beyond, like, 6 kilometers or 5 kilometers for sure." }, { "end_time": "6:55", "start_time": "6:54", "text": "Technology didn't exist." }, { "end_time": "7:01", "start_time": "6:56", "text": "Staple diets, which go back a few 1000 years at least, didn't really require fish that were further apart from there." }, { "end_time": "7:05", "start_time": "7:01", "text": "But that's where we went, and then you've had World War 2, you've had Spain coming out." }, { "end_time": "7:12", "start_time": "7:05", "text": "And since nineties, at least, when you'll be India inter liberalization, it's been China, which has been happening this global expansion." }, { "end_time": "7:18", "start_time": "7:13", "text": "And what has meant in that is that the oceans have always been a space for profitability." }, { "end_time": "7:27", "start_time": "7:19", "text": "So you the further you go from land, you meet a newer species, you fish that out, you go a little bit further out, you meet a newer species." }, { "end_time": "7:33", "start_time": "7:27", "text": "So the amount of fossil fuel and the amount of distance that fishing boats are spending has almost doubled in the last 50 years alone." }, { "end_time": "7:39", "start_time": "7:34", "text": "So that's an indication that we are expending a lot more energy to catch the same fish." }, { "end_time": "7:41", "start_time": "7:39", "text": "And then you have species change." }, { "end_time": "7:51", "start_time": "7:41", "text": "So, you know, I think urban consumers might think about pomfred, surmaiyah as being a mainstay species, But you speak to anybody who lives on the coast and has a staple fish diet." }, { "end_time": "7:54", "start_time": "7:51", "text": "Fish that were available 20, 30 years ago no longer exist." }, { "end_time": "7:55", "start_time": "7:54", "text": "And that's the second indication." }, { "end_time": "7:58", "start_time": "7:55", "text": "This is people's lived everyday experience." }, { "end_time": "7:59", "start_time": "7:58", "text": "Those fish don't exist." }, { "end_time": "8:08", "start_time": "7:59", "text": "So in that sense, we're landing the same amount of fish, but fish that was edible, that was healthy, that was megafauna, you know, big fish, we're not finding those." }, { "end_time": "8:11", "start_time": "8:08", "text": "What we find are more, what they say, trash fish." }, { "end_time": "8:15", "start_time": "8:11", "text": "That fish gets that gets ground up and fed to fish that's been grown on land." }, { "end_time": "8:19", "start_time": "8:15", "text": "So it's like fish is feeding fish to feed humans as opposed to fish feeding humans directly." }, { "end_time": "8:25", "start_time": "8:20", "text": "So in that sense, there's a lot that has changed in the ocean composition, and it's not a rosy picture for sure." }, { "end_time": "8:29", "start_time": "8:26", "text": "Like, when you say it's not a rosy picture, where are we heading?" }, { "end_time": "8:32", "start_time": "8:29", "text": "Like, say, in 2,030, what are beaches?" }, { "end_time": "8:34", "start_time": "8:32", "text": "What is the ocean gonna look like according to you?" }, { "end_time": "8:36", "start_time": "8:35", "text": "If we keep going this way." }, { "end_time": "8:39", "start_time": "8:36", "text": "So the oceans, of course, are like not just fish." }, { "end_time": "8:39", "start_time": "8:39", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "8:42", "start_time": "8:39", "text": "Like the oceans have marine life." }, { "end_time": "8:45", "start_time": "8:42", "text": "You've also now got an infiltration of plastic." }, { "end_time": "8:51", "start_time": "8:45", "text": "So there's a there's a friend filmmaker called Chris Jordan, who's done this beautiful film called Albatross." }, { "end_time": "8:56", "start_time": "8:51", "text": "And he just went on this atoll, which is like a coral reef, in the middle of the Pacific." }, { "end_time": "8:59", "start_time": "8:57", "text": "And he filmed albatrosses over one cycle." }, { "end_time": "9:04", "start_time": "9:00", "text": "And there are albatrosses who are not being able to take off from the beach when they're born." }, { "end_time": "9:07", "start_time": "9:04", "text": "They get born on the beach, and they go over to the windward side." }, { "end_time": "9:10", "start_time": "9:07", "text": "They spread their wings, and then they take off with the wing." }, { "end_time": "9:15", "start_time": "9:10", "text": "And then they fly for the rest of their lives coming back to the island that they were born on." }, { "end_time": "9:16", "start_time": "9:15", "text": "And they're not being able to take off." }, { "end_time": "9:28", "start_time": "9:16", "text": "They've got so much plastic in their belly because as the adults are flying over the ocean, they are picking up blue things, pink things, white things that resemble reef fish, but it's actually plastic." }, { "end_time": "9:30", "start_time": "9:28", "text": "And this is in the middle of nowhere in the middle of the Pacific." }, { "end_time": "9:33", "start_time": "9:31", "text": "So that's a big concern." }, { "end_time": "9:39", "start_time": "9:34", "text": "In fact, on one of my campaigns in Antarctica, there's this world's deepest fishery." }, { "end_time": "9:42", "start_time": "9:39", "text": "Like, it they catch fish at about a kilometre under the surface." }, { "end_time": "9:48", "start_time": "9:43", "text": "So we did a plastic dissection on some of the fish there on one of our campaigns, and we found plastic there as well." }, { "end_time": "9:50", "start_time": "9:48", "text": "So it's a massive concern." }, { "end_time": "9:52", "start_time": "9:51", "text": "Pollution, of course." }, { "end_time": "9:54", "start_time": "9:52", "text": "I mean, we're speaking from Bombay." }, { "end_time": "10:00", "start_time": "9:54", "text": "And pretty much the 10, 12 kilometres of the coast of Bombay is just industrial and everyday waste that goes out." }, { "end_time": "10:06", "start_time": "10:00", "text": "Whether it's from the pumping stations, whether it's from, you know, the Thane Belapur industrial belt, chemicals, etcetera, going out." }, { "end_time": "10:10", "start_time": "10:07", "text": "So there's obviously, it's like a sink for dumping waste." }, { "end_time": "10:13", "start_time": "10:10", "text": "It's like a cheap disposal site, essentially." }, { "end_time": "10:16", "start_time": "10:14", "text": "And that's not really going well." }, { "end_time": "10:22", "start_time": "10:16", "text": "Then you've got the fishing sector, obviously, that's got this global reach that's wiping out very important species." }, { "end_time": "10:29", "start_time": "10:23", "text": "And then you've got the very real threat of climate change now where there's acidification, which means coral reefs are dying." }, { "end_time": "10:33", "start_time": "10:29", "text": "You've got ocean warming, which means ocean currents are changing." }, { "end_time": "10:36", "start_time": "10:33", "text": "They're either weakening or strengthening depending on where they are." }, { "end_time": "10:41", "start_time": "10:36", "text": "Which means big, you know, keystone species, as they say, like whales, for example." }, { "end_time": "10:43", "start_time": "10:41", "text": "These migrate massive distances." }, { "end_time": "10:46", "start_time": "10:44", "text": "They are massive regenerators of ocean health." }, { "end_time": "10:49", "start_time": "10:46", "text": "There's a drastic impact on their lives as well." }, { "end_time": "10:53", "start_time": "10:49", "text": "Numbers, reproductive rates are dropping, migratory patterns are changing." }, { "end_time": "10:57", "start_time": "10:53", "text": "So the entire chemistry of what happens in the ocean is also shifting underway." }, { "end_time": "11:07", "start_time": "10:58", "text": "And I think it's important to kind of register that for a moment rather than just it being a factual thing because that essentially is, like, the largest ecosystem on this planet." }, { "end_time": "11:07", "start_time": "11:07", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "11:09", "start_time": "11:07", "text": "Like, we call it a blue planet for a reason." }, { "end_time": "11:09", "start_time": "11:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:12", "start_time": "11:09", "text": "Also, is it is it true that only 5% of the oceans are explored?" }, { "end_time": "11:14", "start_time": "11:12", "text": "That's what you read a lot on the Internet." }, { "end_time": "11:15", "start_time": "11:14", "text": "I say that a lot." }, { "end_time": "11:16", "start_time": "11:15", "text": "Is that actually true?" }, { "end_time": "11:20", "start_time": "11:16", "text": "Because considering that you've gone all over the ocean, you had so many adventures." }, { "end_time": "11:22", "start_time": "11:21", "text": "Do you think that's true?" }, { "end_time": "11:26", "start_time": "11:22", "text": "That 95% of water bodies actually, we don't even know what's down there." }, { "end_time": "11:31", "start_time": "11:26", "text": "We don't know how many sea monsters for lack of a better word might be down there." }, { "end_time": "11:38", "start_time": "11:32", "text": "So it's interesting in this idea of the oceans as being an unexplored space." }, { "end_time": "11:43", "start_time": "11:38", "text": "Because when I went out to sea as well, I used to think on this on a cargo ship." }, { "end_time": "11:43", "start_time": "11:43", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "11:46", "start_time": "11:43", "text": "A cargo ship, let's say, from Brazil to Singapore." }, { "end_time": "11:47", "start_time": "11:46", "text": "You cross the Atlantic Ocean." }, { "end_time": "11:49", "start_time": "11:47", "text": "You round South Africa." }, { "end_time": "11:52", "start_time": "11:49", "text": "You cross the Indian Ocean and you reach the Singapore Straits." }, { "end_time": "11:55", "start_time": "11:52", "text": "You'll barely see 5, 6 ships through a 40 day journey." }, { "end_time": "11:58", "start_time": "11:55", "text": "And so for you, it exists as a wild space." }, { "end_time": "12:09", "start_time": "11:58", "text": "But then when I started doing fishing work and, you know, looking at data, satellite patterns, looking at, you know, what researchers have been talking, actually, there's very little of the surface of the earth that is untouched." }, { "end_time": "12:12", "start_time": "12:09", "text": "It's all out there being fished." }, { "end_time": "12:14", "start_time": "12:12", "text": "There's expansion that's happening." }, { "end_time": "12:20", "start_time": "12:14", "text": "Even places like Antarctica, it's sold to us as, you know, this continent without humanity." }, { "end_time": "12:21", "start_time": "12:20", "text": "But there's a lot going on there." }, { "end_time": "12:24", "start_time": "12:21", "text": "There's a geopolitical race to mine Antarctica." }, { "end_time": "12:29", "start_time": "12:25", "text": "There's a treaty in place which is up for renewal, but still, you know, there's a lot that's happening." }, { "end_time": "12:34", "start_time": "12:29", "text": "The Arctic used to be a place, but now you've got all the big oil corporations up there trying to drill." }, { "end_time": "12:41", "start_time": "12:34", "text": "You've got Russia, you know, trying to capture the shipping routes over to China as the ice is melting." }, { "end_time": "12:48", "start_time": "12:41", "text": "So I feel like the moment the opportunity presents itself, the oceans become a place to let's go explore, let's see what profitability can come from there." }, { "end_time": "12:49", "start_time": "12:48", "text": "But depth wise, yes." }, { "end_time": "12:55", "start_time": "12:49", "text": "We know very little of what's happening because an ocean on average is about 3, 4 kilometers deep." }, { "end_time": "12:56", "start_time": "12:55", "text": "That's a lot of water." }, { "end_time": "12:57", "start_time": "12:56", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "12:59", "start_time": "12:57", "text": "A normal swimming pool is like 10 feet." }, { "end_time": "13:01", "start_time": "12:59", "text": "This is a lot more than that." }, { "end_time": "13:02", "start_time": "13:01", "text": "It's it's thousands of times of that." }, { "end_time": "13:05", "start_time": "13:03", "text": "And we don't really know what lives much in the lower layers." }, { "end_time": "13:11", "start_time": "13:05", "text": "Have you seen anything crazy when you're diving, which probably Discovery Channel Naggeo hasn't documented?" }, { "end_time": "13:12", "start_time": "13:12", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "13:21", "start_time": "13:12", "text": "I mean, I'm a I'm an I'm an amateur diver in the sense that I dive but only on regular air mix, which means you're restricted to 40 meters of depth." }, { "end_time": "13:26", "start_time": "13:21", "text": "So I see a lot of what a lot of other people who perhaps are privileged enough to dive can see." }, { "end_time": "13:38", "start_time": "13:27", "text": "But a good way to look to to to kind of experience what is at the ocean of the bottom came with me with one of my campaigns in Antarctica, which is I was on a ship that that that I was captaining." }, { "end_time": "13:44", "start_time": "13:38", "text": "And that ship now holds the world record for the world's longest illegal fishing gear haul." }, { "end_time": "13:51", "start_time": "13:44", "text": "So we were on a campaign, a boat, a pirate fishing boat, dumped its fishing gear, and we picked up 75 kilometers of that fishing gear." }, { "end_time": "13:55", "start_time": "13:51", "text": "And pretty much it was set on the ocean bottom about 8, 900 meters deep." }, { "end_time": "14:00", "start_time": "13:55", "text": "And so we pulled that net up and it came with everything that exists on the ocean bottom." }, { "end_time": "14:04", "start_time": "14:00", "text": "So on the deck of the ship, we had these corals that people hadn't seen." }, { "end_time": "14:08", "start_time": "14:04", "text": "We saw, like, stones that have probably existed for millennia on the bottom." }, { "end_time": "14:11", "start_time": "14:09", "text": "We saw, like, different kinds of fish that haven't existed." }, { "end_time": "14:16", "start_time": "14:11", "text": "And so in that sense, it was exploration, but not of the exploration kind." }, { "end_time": "14:23", "start_time": "14:16", "text": "But, you know, that's what it gives an insight into just how industrial the oceans as a space can be as well." }, { "end_time": "14:32", "start_time": "14:23", "text": "On any of your dives or, you know, when you're in, like, far away from land, have you been in any kind of danger because of, sea animals?" }, { "end_time": "14:35", "start_time": "14:32", "text": "Like, because of, like, fish or sharks or whales?" }, { "end_time": "14:42", "start_time": "14:36", "text": "There's these campaigns that we used to run and the campaigns used to pick up illegal fishing gear." }, { "end_time": "14:45", "start_time": "14:42", "text": "So what usually happens is that the oceans are very unregulated spaces." }, { "end_time": "14:51", "start_time": "14:45", "text": "And so if you show up as, as an activist organization, the boats usually dump their gear and run." }, { "end_time": "14:58", "start_time": "14:52", "text": "And as activists, we wanted to collect that as evidence, but also it's wrong to show up and have this gear and not pick it up." }, { "end_time": "15:00", "start_time": "14:58", "text": "So we've had to pick up fishing gear very often." }, { "end_time": "15:06", "start_time": "15:00", "text": "And I've had a crew member who, while picking up the fishing gear, had her finger chomped on by a shark that was alive." }, { "end_time": "15:12", "start_time": "15:08", "text": "We've run over fishing gear and the propeller of the ship got completely entangled." }, { "end_time": "15:18", "start_time": "15:12", "text": "So in these heavy seas, had to send 2 divers down to kind of, like, cut fishing gear from this giant propeller." }, { "end_time": "15:21", "start_time": "15:19", "text": "You know, we've we've What do you mean heavy seas?" }, { "end_time": "15:27", "start_time": "15:22", "text": "Like, where there's waves obviously, and if the ship isn't moving, you're just, like, constantly moving." }, { "end_time": "15:31", "start_time": "15:27", "text": "So it's very dangerous for the divers to be down there doing these kind of things." }, { "end_time": "15:38", "start_time": "15:32", "text": "We've had helicopters lost in, like, ice blizzards because the communication completely got shut off." }, { "end_time": "15:41", "start_time": "15:38", "text": "Rough weather can very often be really risky as well." }, { "end_time": "15:51", "start_time": "15:41", "text": "But with animals themselves, I think it's telling that we perceive animals as being risky, but animals left to themselves aren't really a risk to humans." }, { "end_time": "15:57", "start_time": "15:51", "text": "I mean, if you're out there in the water trying to do something silly in their habitat, I mean, of sure it's risky." }, { "end_time": "16:00", "start_time": "15:57", "text": "But on a ship, generally, you're on a ship there in the water." }, { "end_time": "16:06", "start_time": "16:00", "text": "Unless there's an encounter, like I said, that happens with, like, either a net or something, it doesn't really get risky like that." }, { "end_time": "16:10", "start_time": "16:08", "text": "What about the other animals?" }, { "end_time": "16:12", "start_time": "16:11", "text": "The human beings?" }, { "end_time": "16:14", "start_time": "16:12", "text": "Have you had dangerous encounters in the far ocean?" }, { "end_time": "16:20", "start_time": "16:14", "text": "Because if you're an activist, you're going away from land where there's a lack of governance, there's a lack of security." }, { "end_time": "16:23", "start_time": "16:21", "text": "I'm sure some of those vessels carry guns." }, { "end_time": "16:26", "start_time": "16:23", "text": "I'm sure some of those vessels will carry some sort of weapons." }, { "end_time": "16:27", "start_time": "16:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:29", "start_time": "16:27", "text": "Have you had situations like that?" }, { "end_time": "16:36", "start_time": "16:30", "text": "So very often when we used to plan our campaigns with Sea Shepherd, there'd be people who we'd seek advice from." }, { "end_time": "16:38", "start_time": "16:36", "text": "Like, okay, you've been a professional fisherman for 40 years." }, { "end_time": "16:41", "start_time": "16:38", "text": "Can you, like, advise us on x y zed?" }, { "end_time": "16:45", "start_time": "16:41", "text": "And one of the first responses we'd get, like, you're gonna get shot." }, { "end_time": "16:47", "start_time": "16:45", "text": "It's not a safe place to just go out and do these things." }, { "end_time": "16:49", "start_time": "16:48", "text": "And we've had a few encounters." }, { "end_time": "16:51", "start_time": "16:49", "text": "Like, we've had ship collisions." }, { "end_time": "16:52", "start_time": "16:51", "text": "We've had things thrown at us." }, { "end_time": "16:54", "start_time": "16:52", "text": "We've had projectiles thrown at us." }, { "end_time": "16:59", "start_time": "16:54", "text": "When we used to do these, anti whaling campaigns, the Japanese coast guard used to be on board." }, { "end_time": "17:04", "start_time": "16:59", "text": "So we'd get, like, sonic booms in our ears to, like, try and deafen us." }, { "end_time": "17:05", "start_time": "17:04", "text": "What does that feel like?" }, { "end_time": "17:08", "start_time": "17:06", "text": "I mean, it momentarily stuns you." }, { "end_time": "17:09", "start_time": "17:08", "text": "That's what it is." }, { "end_time": "17:11", "start_time": "17:09", "text": "Like, it it's a riot control gear." }, { "end_time": "17:13", "start_time": "17:11", "text": "It's not really a deterrent as such." }, { "end_time": "17:18", "start_time": "17:13", "text": "So then we learned, like, very heavy ear protection probably, like, reduces the stunning." }, { "end_time": "17:28", "start_time": "17:19", "text": "We've had, like, water poured down our propeller, like, our engine funnel to try and stall the ship so that you can't keep up with them while they continue wailing and things like that." }, { "end_time": "17:32", "start_time": "17:28", "text": "So there's all of those encounters." }, { "end_time": "17:39", "start_time": "17:32", "text": "Then we followed criminals back to courts, not literally, but through paperwork and through the inter pole and the police and things like that." }, { "end_time": "17:45", "start_time": "17:39", "text": "And then there are those encounters which happen where you're in a courtroom with somebody who's been at sea with you." }, { "end_time": "17:50", "start_time": "17:45", "text": "Your ships have been really close to each other and then, you know, you're giving testimony and they are stewing there." }, { "end_time": "17:52", "start_time": "17:51", "text": "You're under police protection." }, { "end_time": "17:57", "start_time": "17:52", "text": "So when when we had gone for to you know, you get, like, police protection and things like that." }, { "end_time": "18:00", "start_time": "17:57", "text": "So things in that sense always have had risk." }, { "end_time": "18:10", "start_time": "18:00", "text": "What we've always said is that cameras do act up as countering guns in a way because what we were doing was taking an audience with us out there." }, { "end_time": "18:14", "start_time": "18:10", "text": "So people who did campaigns before us obviously faced a lot more risk." }, { "end_time": "18:18", "start_time": "18:14", "text": "But by the time I went out, at least we were carrying an audience with us." }, { "end_time": "18:30", "start_time": "18:18", "text": "And so I think the guns never really came out, but violence as such existed in terms of like aggression, trying to get us off our tails, you know, put the engines down, things like that." }, { "end_time": "18:32", "start_time": "18:30", "text": "Why does whaling even happen in the modern day?" }, { "end_time": "18:35", "start_time": "18:32", "text": "Like what does whale meat or whale bodies used for?" }, { "end_time": "18:41", "start_time": "18:36", "text": "Because I know it ancient used to be used to make soap and things like that in medieval times." }, { "end_time": "18:43", "start_time": "18:41", "text": "But the modern day, why do you want to kill whales?" }, { "end_time": "18:49", "start_time": "18:43", "text": "I mean, with so much environmental, knowledge out there, why are whales still killed?" }, { "end_time": "18:52", "start_time": "18:50", "text": "So I I used to have the same question." }, { "end_time": "18:52", "start_time": "18:52", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "18:53", "start_time": "18:52", "text": "Like, why wailing?" }, { "end_time": "18:56", "start_time": "18:53", "text": "And that's when I was really a part of these anti whaling campaigns." }, { "end_time": "18:58", "start_time": "18:56", "text": "Whaling has a complex history." }, { "end_time": "19:10", "start_time": "18:58", "text": "And I think it's important, to kind of reckon with that because it's not just medieval times like whaling America, for example, or the Dutch or the Australians used to wail right until the middle of 20th century." }, { "end_time": "19:17", "start_time": "19:11", "text": "In fact, some of the biggest massacres have happened by their ships, and it was largely for blubber." }, { "end_time": "19:24", "start_time": "19:17", "text": "In fact, blubber fueled the civil war and actually allowed for the confederates a, you know, big point of advantage over the traders, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "19:26", "start_time": "19:24", "text": "Blubber is like whale fat?" }, { "end_time": "19:27", "start_time": "19:26", "text": "Blubber is whale fat." }, { "end_time": "19:27", "start_time": "19:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:29", "start_time": "19:27", "text": "So essentially, it used to be burnt in turbines." }, { "end_time": "19:30", "start_time": "19:29", "text": "It used to act as a lubricant for machinery." }, { "end_time": "19:33", "start_time": "19:31", "text": "It used to be a very priced cargo." }, { "end_time": "19:45", "start_time": "19:33", "text": "So ships used to go out and really like, there are accounts from the 16th, 17th, 18th century where people would say that they would have to stop their ship for 4, 4, 5, 5 days for a port of whales to go by." }, { "end_time": "19:48", "start_time": "19:45", "text": "And today, literally, you are like, 2 whales or it's a pod of whales that we saw." }, { "end_time": "19:50", "start_time": "19:48", "text": "Like, that's how much." }, { "end_time": "19:51", "start_time": "19:50", "text": "But that happened in that century." }, { "end_time": "19:58", "start_time": "19:52", "text": "Today, whaling happens largely in Norway, in Iceland, and with the Japanese whaling fleet." }, { "end_time": "20:03", "start_time": "19:58", "text": "There's a bit of artisanal whaling that happens, Solomon Islands, some of these islanders also harpoon whales very locally." }, { "end_time": "20:07", "start_time": "20:03", "text": "But that kind of industrial whaling only happens by these three countries." }, { "end_time": "20:11", "start_time": "20:07", "text": "And at least in Norway and Iceland, it's very primarily for meat for consumption." }, { "end_time": "20:12", "start_time": "20:11", "text": "Oh, okay." }, { "end_time": "20:12", "start_time": "20:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:13", "start_time": "20:12", "text": "It's eaten." }, { "end_time": "20:15", "start_time": "20:13", "text": "And Japan's is a different issue." }, { "end_time": "20:17", "start_time": "20:15", "text": "It's it's tied up with World War 2." }, { "end_time": "20:21", "start_time": "20:17", "text": "When Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed, a lot of the land was completely irradiated." }, { "end_time": "20:29", "start_time": "20:22", "text": "And so Japan's foray into Antarctica was largely to bring back meat for, a post World War population." }, { "end_time": "20:38", "start_time": "20:31", "text": "That has kind of changed to a situation where it's looked upon as American imperialism to not, you know, consume whale meat." }, { "end_time": "20:40", "start_time": "20:38", "text": "It's also tied up with territories." }, { "end_time": "20:44", "start_time": "20:40", "text": "As I mentioned earlier, Antarctica is like this big grab for territory." }, { "end_time": "20:49", "start_time": "20:44", "text": "And so Japan's there, China's there, Australia's there, America's there, and there's a whole lot of that." }, { "end_time": "21:00", "start_time": "20:49", "text": "The truth is that in those kind of semi diplomatic, semi masculine geopolitics, it's the whales that are paying the price because there's about a 1000 whales that get harpooned every year." }, { "end_time": "21:01", "start_time": "21:00", "text": "They get taken back." }, { "end_time": "21:03", "start_time": "21:01", "text": "It's a usually subsidized program." }, { "end_time": "21:06", "start_time": "21:03", "text": "There's not much that happens with that whale meat." }, { "end_time": "21:07", "start_time": "21:06", "text": "It's not used in anything." }, { "end_time": "21:14", "start_time": "21:08", "text": "It gets put into, lunch meals for kids, and and not much more beyond that." }, { "end_time": "21:16", "start_time": "21:14", "text": "So it's pretty it's not needed really." }, { "end_time": "21:18", "start_time": "21:16", "text": "So it's just an ego battle thing?" }, { "end_time": "21:19", "start_time": "21:18", "text": "It's an ego battle." }, { "end_time": "21:22", "start_time": "21:19", "text": "One's got historical kind of whaling that it hasn't acknowledged." }, { "end_time": "21:23", "start_time": "21:22", "text": "Let's say America." }, { "end_time": "21:27", "start_time": "21:23", "text": "Thousands of thousands of whales killed for fueling its colonial expansion." }, { "end_time": "21:34", "start_time": "21:27", "text": "And then you've got Japan, which comes from a very different place of whaling, which was, you know, you've bombed the hell out of us." }, { "end_time": "21:36", "start_time": "21:34", "text": "We're trying to rebuild our country." }, { "end_time": "21:47", "start_time": "21:36", "text": "And somehow it has become these 2 kind of narratives with white conservation on one side and, you know, Asian racism and anti racism sentiments on the other side." }, { "end_time": "21:52", "start_time": "21:47", "text": "But as I said, in the middle of that, it's the whales that still get harpooned and taken back here." }, { "end_time": "21:52", "start_time": "21:52", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "21:52", "start_time": "21:52", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "21:56", "start_time": "21:52", "text": "But the conversation could be a lot broader than it actually is at the moment, which is What do you mean?" }, { "end_time": "21:59", "start_time": "21:56", "text": "I mean, I think we don't very often talk about whaling like this, do we?" }, { "end_time": "22:03", "start_time": "21:59", "text": "We very often talk about those Japanese whalers, and that's the end of the conversation." }, { "end_time": "22:11", "start_time": "22:04", "text": "I wish we could actually, as activists, as conservationists, sit down and have more complex conversations because these are complex issues." }, { "end_time": "22:12", "start_time": "22:11", "text": "They've got historical." }, { "end_time": "22:14", "start_time": "22:12", "text": "They've got emotions entangled with it." }, { "end_time": "22:20", "start_time": "22:14", "text": "It's it's easy to lose logic when you are very emotionally charged about something." }, { "end_time": "22:20", "start_time": "22:20", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "22:26", "start_time": "22:20", "text": "And I think if we could have less charged conversations about this, I'm sure that'd be something that can change." }, { "end_time": "22:29", "start_time": "22:26", "text": "Have you seen any wailing in front of you?" }, { "end_time": "22:30", "start_time": "22:29", "text": "Have you seen it happen?" }, { "end_time": "22:44", "start_time": "22:30", "text": "I haven't seen wailing, but I remember in 2012, we have this helicopter that had gone out and got a call on the satellite radio because the helicopter had gone about a 150, 60 kilometers away from the ship." }, { "end_time": "22:49", "start_time": "22:44", "text": "And I got a call and they had just pulled up 3 whales onto the whaling ship." }, { "end_time": "22:52", "start_time": "22:49", "text": "So there were 3 dead whales that had just been harpooned." }, { "end_time": "22:54", "start_time": "22:52", "text": "How do they actually kill them?" }, { "end_time": "22:56", "start_time": "22:54", "text": "Like, what is the process of killing a whale?" }, { "end_time": "22:57", "start_time": "22:56", "text": "Just so big." }, { "end_time": "22:59", "start_time": "22:58", "text": "So there's 2 methods." }, { "end_time": "23:01", "start_time": "22:59", "text": "The first method is a harpoon." }, { "end_time": "23:05", "start_time": "23:02", "text": "So it's a harpoon harpoon with a dynamite that gets shot in." }, { "end_time": "23:10", "start_time": "23:05", "text": "So it essentially pierces the whale and it explodes inside of it." }, { "end_time": "23:14", "start_time": "23:10", "text": "And then a hook opens up, and that's what they bring it into closer." }, { "end_time": "23:18", "start_time": "23:14", "text": "And if it's a good shot to the head and all, it it doesn't suffer for too long." }, { "end_time": "23:22", "start_time": "23:18", "text": "But if it does, one of the approved techniques is to kill it with a shotgun." }, { "end_time": "23:26", "start_time": "23:22", "text": "So then they put a gun over the side, and they put bullets into it till it dies." }, { "end_time": "23:28", "start_time": "23:26", "text": "So there's the two ways to do it." }, { "end_time": "23:29", "start_time": "23:28", "text": "Anyway, go on." }, { "end_time": "23:30", "start_time": "23:29", "text": "You were saying that." }, { "end_time": "23:30", "start_time": "23:30", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "23:36", "start_time": "23:30", "text": "So, I mean, I haven't seen whaling happening in front of me, but I have been on campaigns where we've seen whaling happening." }, { "end_time": "23:40", "start_time": "23:36", "text": "Maybe one of the other ships has seen it because we used to go as a team of 2, 3 ships." }, { "end_time": "23:43", "start_time": "23:40", "text": "Seeing these dead whales for sure on board the ship and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "23:46", "start_time": "23:43", "text": "And it's a very close encounter with them." }, { "end_time": "23:51", "start_time": "23:47", "text": "What was going on in your head when you kinda had that close encounter?" }, { "end_time": "23:57", "start_time": "23:51", "text": "Like, do you do you hear the whale make a sound or, you know, what what's it like being near a whale?" }, { "end_time": "24:02", "start_time": "23:59", "text": "So the interesting thing is I've seen a lot of whales alive as well." }, { "end_time": "24:05", "start_time": "24:02", "text": "And that's one of the beauties of being in Antarctica." }, { "end_time": "24:05", "start_time": "24:05", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "24:06", "start_time": "24:05", "text": "Like, it's summer." }, { "end_time": "24:10", "start_time": "24:06", "text": "Whales have migrated down and they generally migrate with their babies." }, { "end_time": "24:11", "start_time": "24:10", "text": "So they've gone up to the tropics." }, { "end_time": "24:12", "start_time": "24:11", "text": "They've mated over there." }, { "end_time": "24:15", "start_time": "24:12", "text": "There's a calf that has had mother's milk, and they've made this long journey down." }, { "end_time": "24:22", "start_time": "24:16", "text": "And you see them in that, you know, like I said, 24 hours of light in the middle of the ice, and you see them like that." }, { "end_time": "24:24", "start_time": "24:22", "text": "And then in comparison, you see them dead." }, { "end_time": "24:29", "start_time": "24:25", "text": "And at least for me, my personal reaction is to not let it affect me." }, { "end_time": "24:36", "start_time": "24:29", "text": "And I think that was part of my role as being a campaign leader, as being a captain, as being in charge of people who would break down seeing that." }, { "end_time": "24:40", "start_time": "24:36", "text": "And it's similar with other species as well because I've seen lots of fish dead." }, { "end_time": "24:45", "start_time": "24:41", "text": "This one campaign in Antarctica, as I said, we picked up 50,000 kilos of fish from the ocean floor." }, { "end_time": "24:46", "start_time": "24:45", "text": "They were all rotting." }, { "end_time": "24:50", "start_time": "24:47", "text": "So, like, literally, you see these giant toothfish." }, { "end_time": "24:56", "start_time": "24:50", "text": "They might not be whales, but for me, they similarly I think every life counts in in the fact that it's just not there." }, { "end_time": "24:58", "start_time": "24:57", "text": "It started affecting me later." }, { "end_time": "25:05", "start_time": "24:59", "text": "I think a few years after going through photographs, you realize that, you know, you've just become numb to it in the moment." }, { "end_time": "25:20", "start_time": "25:05", "text": "But there's something about that that I've like, even now when I was speaking to you, I feel very deeply about it in the sense of there's something about that life being taken out in front of you in a manner that seems purposeless." }, { "end_time": "25:25", "start_time": "25:21", "text": "Like, I, you know, I work with fishing communities and I see fish being caught all the time." }, { "end_time": "25:28", "start_time": "25:25", "text": "I say it to you and I feel differently saying it." }, { "end_time": "25:38", "start_time": "25:28", "text": "But I think in that setting, thousands of miles from land, a fishing gear or a wailing harpoon, that shouldn't really be there, but it's there for very different reasons." }, { "end_time": "25:42", "start_time": "25:38", "text": "Either it's profitability, either it's geopolitics, either it's history, either it's ego." }, { "end_time": "25:45", "start_time": "25:43", "text": "And that purpose doesn't make sense for that killing." }, { "end_time": "25:48", "start_time": "25:45", "text": "And I think that's what really started affecting me later." }, { "end_time": "25:53", "start_time": "25:48", "text": "Not so much the death of it, but the fact that it had died for something that for me didn't make sense." }, { "end_time": "25:59", "start_time": "25:56", "text": "What is it like seeing a whale that's alive?" }, { "end_time": "26:00", "start_time": "25:59", "text": "Have you seen a blue whale?" }, { "end_time": "26:01", "start_time": "26:00", "text": "I have." }, { "end_time": "26:02", "start_time": "26:01", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "26:02", "start_time": "26:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:03", "start_time": "26:02", "text": "Where where was this?" }, { "end_time": "26:06", "start_time": "26:05", "text": "So I've seen a blue whale." }, { "end_time": "26:08", "start_time": "26:06", "text": "I've seen a fin whale." }, { "end_time": "26:09", "start_time": "26:08", "text": "I've seen a humpback whale." }, { "end_time": "26:10", "start_time": "26:09", "text": "I've seen a minke whale." }, { "end_time": "26:15", "start_time": "26:10", "text": "So these are the 4 big baleen whale species, which means that they eat crustaceans." }, { "end_time": "26:16", "start_time": "26:15", "text": "They don't have teeth." }, { "end_time": "26:23", "start_time": "26:16", "text": "And then I've seen sperm whales and beaked whales and lots of dolphins, which are on the toothed whale, which is their teeth." }, { "end_time": "26:25", "start_time": "26:23", "text": "Is it scary to see something that big?" }, { "end_time": "26:28", "start_time": "26:26", "text": "I would say it's similar to seeing an elephant." }, { "end_time": "26:37", "start_time": "26:29", "text": "I think it's more their size and their grace in their supposedly ungraceful dimensions." }, { "end_time": "26:38", "start_time": "26:37", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "26:40", "start_time": "26:38", "text": "Like, you don't look at an elephant and say this animal is graceful." }, { "end_time": "26:44", "start_time": "26:40", "text": "We have to see it move and there's not a sound that comes." }, { "end_time": "26:50", "start_time": "26:44", "text": "Or you go up to a rescued elephant and it'll take that watermelon or whatever in the lightest of touch." }, { "end_time": "26:51", "start_time": "26:50", "text": "I think whales are like that as well." }, { "end_time": "26:58", "start_time": "26:51", "text": "You think about them as being this big 10,000 kilo animals and you think like they splash and all." }, { "end_time": "26:58", "start_time": "26:58", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "27:00", "start_time": "26:58", "text": "There is a glide through water." }, { "end_time": "27:01", "start_time": "27:00", "text": "They can be silent." }, { "end_time": "27:05", "start_time": "27:02", "text": "You know, in mornings when it's really calm, some days we'd just be drifting." }, { "end_time": "27:07", "start_time": "27:05", "text": "So you shut off the engine and you're just killing time." }, { "end_time": "27:11", "start_time": "27:07", "text": "And you can hear their breaths, you know, coming out." }, { "end_time": "27:15", "start_time": "27:11", "text": "And if you catch them, like, on a good sunny day, you can even see the vapour coming out." }, { "end_time": "27:22", "start_time": "27:15", "text": "So, you know, you see that and you actually see the magic of, let's say, evolution or life, like, in that setting just to be there as a witness to it." }, { "end_time": "27:24", "start_time": "27:23", "text": "Do you feel the intelligence?" }, { "end_time": "27:27", "start_time": "27:25", "text": "Like you say, if you're diving with them and they're near you?" }, { "end_time": "27:31", "start_time": "27:27", "text": "Because the first time I ever went diving and I've spoken about this on the show as well." }, { "end_time": "27:33", "start_time": "27:31", "text": "I saw a whale on my first dive." }, { "end_time": "27:34", "start_time": "27:33", "text": "And I remember the grace." }, { "end_time": "27:37", "start_time": "27:34", "text": "I couldn't articulate it till this point, but that's exactly what I felt." }, { "end_time": "27:37", "start_time": "27:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:38", "start_time": "27:37", "text": "Super grace." }, { "end_time": "27:39", "start_time": "27:38", "text": "Grace in the movement." }, { "end_time": "27:40", "start_time": "27:39", "text": "But I also felt intelligence." }, { "end_time": "27:41", "start_time": "27:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:43", "start_time": "27:41", "text": "Have you felt something like that?" }, { "end_time": "27:47", "start_time": "27:44", "text": "I mean, I have a very different take on intelligence." }, { "end_time": "27:49", "start_time": "27:47", "text": "I read this book about octopus." }, { "end_time": "27:51", "start_time": "27:49", "text": "And recently, there's been a Netflix film about octopus as well." }, { "end_time": "27:53", "start_time": "27:51", "text": "This guy who goes out in South Africa and swims with them." }, { "end_time": "27:55", "start_time": "27:53", "text": "My my octopus friend." }, { "end_time": "27:55", "start_time": "27:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:56", "start_time": "27:55", "text": "So my octopus friend." }, { "end_time": "28:01", "start_time": "27:56", "text": "But, you know, octopi have evolved completely different to how humanity has." }, { "end_time": "28:06", "start_time": "28:02", "text": "So I think when we look let's say we're changing gears, we think about a dog." }, { "end_time": "28:09", "start_time": "28:06", "text": "We say a dog is an intelligent animal because it interacts with us." }, { "end_time": "28:16", "start_time": "28:09", "text": "I think a whale is an interactive animal, and that's why we have a relationship with a whale, especially like what you experienced." }, { "end_time": "28:19", "start_time": "28:16", "text": "I've done it as well in Tonga, you know, when they're in the summer." }, { "end_time": "28:24", "start_time": "28:19", "text": "And Tonga, which is a country in the South Pacific, is a huge whale breeding ground." }, { "end_time": "28:29", "start_time": "28:24", "text": "So whales, after they finish their eating in Antarctica, make this 5,000 nautical mile journey." }, { "end_time": "28:33", "start_time": "28:29", "text": "It's about 8,000 kilometers to Tonga and then they're just there in the reefs for 3, 4 months." }, { "end_time": "28:35", "start_time": "28:34", "text": "And they interact with you." }, { "end_time": "28:35", "start_time": "28:35", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "28:40", "start_time": "28:35", "text": "Like, you could be on a kayak, you could be on a free dive, you could be snorkeling on the surface and they'll come up to you." }, { "end_time": "28:42", "start_time": "28:40", "text": "That thing about the whale eye, it's a real thing." }, { "end_time": "28:43", "start_time": "28:42", "text": "They do look at you." }, { "end_time": "28:46", "start_time": "28:43", "text": "And so I think they're superbly interactive as faces to us." }, { "end_time": "28:47", "start_time": "28:47", "text": "It has." }, { "end_time": "28:47", "start_time": "28:47", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:49", "start_time": "28:47", "text": "And the whales look what do you feel?" }, { "end_time": "28:57", "start_time": "28:51", "text": "I mean, I mean, it's it's a magical moment." }, { "end_time": "28:57", "start_time": "28:57", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "29:02", "start_time": "28:57", "text": "Like, I'm just taking a moment to recollect that because I pretty much remember, like, being under the water." }, { "end_time": "29:04", "start_time": "29:02", "text": "And it's 3 humpback whales coming up." }, { "end_time": "29:08", "start_time": "29:04", "text": "And one of them, like, I saw its eye move as well as it went by." }, { "end_time": "29:16", "start_time": "29:08", "text": "I know thousands of people have seen whale's eyes, but I think that moment with you or, like, your moment with the whale, I think yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:25", "start_time": "29:16", "text": "It's it's it's so big and it's so close And it's just gliding past you, curiously looking at you or, like, trying to see who you are." }, { "end_time": "29:29", "start_time": "29:25", "text": "And it's, yeah, it's it's fascinating that that experience exists on the world." }, { "end_time": "29:30", "start_time": "29:29", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "29:34", "start_time": "29:30", "text": "Like, you've got a species that has evolved in the water, has got nothing to do with you." }, { "end_time": "29:36", "start_time": "29:34", "text": "And yet, probably, it's a 1 year old whale." }, { "end_time": "29:38", "start_time": "29:36", "text": "You don't know it's an old whale that's interacted with humans before." }, { "end_time": "29:39", "start_time": "29:39", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "29:44", "start_time": "29:39", "text": "But somehow, it's just, like, seen you and gone by and and maybe it's a memory for it and it's a memory for you as well." }, { "end_time": "29:45", "start_time": "29:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:49", "start_time": "29:45", "text": "So this is a question I've always wanted to ask the government probably, but now that you're here, I'll ask you." }, { "end_time": "29:52", "start_time": "29:50", "text": "What's out there in the Lakshadweep?" }, { "end_time": "29:54", "start_time": "29:52", "text": "Why is it not developed for tourists?" }, { "end_time": "29:57", "start_time": "29:54", "text": "Is it true that it's more prone to shark attacks or something?" }, { "end_time": "29:59", "start_time": "29:57", "text": "Was that sort of some urban legends say?" }, { "end_time": "30:01", "start_time": "29:59", "text": "Some urban legends say that it's a naval base." }, { "end_time": "30:07", "start_time": "30:01", "text": "Some urban legends say that, there's there's too much marine biology there, and it should be left like that." }, { "end_time": "30:09", "start_time": "30:07", "text": "And that's for environmental reasons." }, { "end_time": "30:10", "start_time": "30:09", "text": "They've not developed it." }, { "end_time": "30:18", "start_time": "30:10", "text": "But if they do develop it, it will become as good, if not better than the Maldives and will become sort of a, revenue generating thing for the Indian government." }, { "end_time": "30:22", "start_time": "30:18", "text": "And some urban legends say that they're actually developing it for tourism in the near future." }, { "end_time": "30:24", "start_time": "30:22", "text": "So what's actually happening in Lakshadweep?" }, { "end_time": "30:27", "start_time": "30:26", "text": "That's an interesting subject." }, { "end_time": "30:31", "start_time": "30:27", "text": "I mean, I spoke to a journalist who was doing a story on this, and I gave her all that I knew." }, { "end_time": "30:35", "start_time": "30:31", "text": "I mean, I don't know too much, but I'll I'll I'll say the same to you as well." }, { "end_time": "30:39", "start_time": "30:35", "text": "So Lakshadweep has not been developed, I think, for a number of reasons." }, { "end_time": "30:51", "start_time": "30:39", "text": "I think, one, its own history with a Muslim population, largely its remoteness from the mainland, its links to Kerala as a trade route and Kerala's own communist history." }, { "end_time": "30:58", "start_time": "30:51", "text": "And there's a lot that has gone very differently, let's say, to Lakshadweep than it has to the Andaman and Nicobar." }, { "end_time": "31:04", "start_time": "30:58", "text": "And the reason for this, I think I mean, I'm sure there are anthropologists and historians who look at this." }, { "end_time": "31:09", "start_time": "31:04", "text": "I think trade routes from India into Malacca have been a historical trend." }, { "end_time": "31:11", "start_time": "31:09", "text": "We've had trade routes." }, { "end_time": "31:12", "start_time": "31:11", "text": "We've had spice trade." }, { "end_time": "31:13", "start_time": "31:12", "text": "We've had human migration." }, { "end_time": "31:17", "start_time": "31:13", "text": "And if Andaman and Nicobar Islands were always on the path of migrating east." }, { "end_time": "31:19", "start_time": "31:17", "text": "We never migrated west as such." }, { "end_time": "31:41", "start_time": "31:20", "text": "The Muslim traders, the the the trading that happened in the 16th, 17th centuries, well, always from the Cape of Good Hope, so from South Africa coming up, which misses the the the Lakshadweep Islands as a space to stop over, or from Somalia, you know, coming around, or from the Persian Gulf, which also misses." }, { "end_time": "31:55", "start_time": "31:42", "text": "So the Lakshadweep, I think, only came into its existence in the last 30 years ever since China became this powerhouse of the world and most shipping containers now pass through the Lakshadweep towards Europe, etcetera, on this side." }, { "end_time": "32:01", "start_time": "31:55", "text": "And so I think the Lakshwadeep has just not been on the development landscape so as to say The Chinese ships stop at Lakshwadeep?" }, { "end_time": "32:04", "start_time": "32:02", "text": "They don't pass through, but it's because it's a chain of islands." }, { "end_time": "32:07", "start_time": "32:04", "text": "You've got the 6 degree channel, 7 degree channel." }, { "end_time": "32:08", "start_time": "32:07", "text": "They're just major shipping routes." }, { "end_time": "32:09", "start_time": "32:08", "text": "Oh, okay." }, { "end_time": "32:16", "start_time": "32:09", "text": "So the ships come out, they round Sri Lanka, and when they're heading for, let's say, the Suez Canal, they go through the Lakshadweep Islands and out there." }, { "end_time": "32:16", "start_time": "32:16", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "32:20", "start_time": "32:16", "text": "So that's where the interest for ports now is coming for the Indian government." }, { "end_time": "32:22", "start_time": "32:20", "text": "It can be a transshipment port." }, { "end_time": "32:24", "start_time": "32:22", "text": "You can have containers over there." }, { "end_time": "32:27", "start_time": "32:24", "text": "It's also an a coral island ecosystem." }, { "end_time": "32:30", "start_time": "32:27", "text": "So which means natural depths close to land are very good." }, { "end_time": "32:38", "start_time": "32:30", "text": "Unlike, let's say the entire east coast where depths are not very much, and you find it very difficult to build ports for bigger vessels." }, { "end_time": "32:41", "start_time": "32:39", "text": "So I think that's where the interest is now coming from." }, { "end_time": "32:50", "start_time": "32:42", "text": "Tourism, I think in terms of tourism globally, we are at a place where tourism is being looked upon as one of these benign sectors, so to say, in terms of development." }, { "end_time": "32:57", "start_time": "32:51", "text": "So rather than, let's say, have mining or build an palm oil plantation, let's build tourism where It's positive." }, { "end_time": "32:58", "start_time": "32:58", "text": "It's positive." }, { "end_time": "33:01", "start_time": "32:58", "text": "So that's where the tourism interest is coming from." }, { "end_time": "33:14", "start_time": "33:02", "text": "But I mean, to quantify all of these, I'm saying, because of my work with fishing communities, at least in India in the last 5, 6 years now, neither ports nor tourism actually being developed into those in their model that they exist today." }, { "end_time": "33:20", "start_time": "33:15", "text": "Because Maldives like tourism is very, very energy pulling." }, { "end_time": "33:24", "start_time": "33:21", "text": "You know, these islands don't have electricity, so you need to have diesel generators." }, { "end_time": "33:26", "start_time": "33:24", "text": "You need to pull electric lines on coral reefs." }, { "end_time": "33:32", "start_time": "33:27", "text": "Tourists who pay upwards of a lack, a lack and a half for a trip will not just eat local food." }, { "end_time": "33:33", "start_time": "33:32", "text": "You need to get them good fish." }, { "end_time": "33:35", "start_time": "33:33", "text": "They need an air conditioner." }, { "end_time": "33:36", "start_time": "33:35", "text": "They need to live in nicer houses." }, { "end_time": "33:40", "start_time": "33:37", "text": "So it becomes very energy intensive to have these tourism projects." }, { "end_time": "33:44", "start_time": "33:40", "text": "You don't have roads and boats because people want to travel in and out of holidays." }, { "end_time": "33:48", "start_time": "33:44", "text": "So you have to have planes, which means you have to build runways on coral reefs." }, { "end_time": "33:53", "start_time": "33:48", "text": "So it doesn't it's not in sync with what exists over there." }, { "end_time": "33:57", "start_time": "33:53", "text": "So I think we need to quantify that tourism is happening, but what kind of tourism." }, { "end_time": "34:02", "start_time": "33:57", "text": "At the moment, it's not looking like it's good tourism in the model, but also the way it's happened." }, { "end_time": "34:06", "start_time": "34:02", "text": "We know what's happened with the posting of the new governor, etcetera, in in the way it's happened." }, { "end_time": "34:10", "start_time": "34:07", "text": "Port, similarly, we've got a port coming up in Little Nicobar." }, { "end_time": "34:13", "start_time": "34:10", "text": "We've got a port coming up in Andaman, in in Port Blair." }, { "end_time": "34:18", "start_time": "34:14", "text": "And sooner or sooner or later, I'm sure there'll be ports also coming up in Lakshadweep Island." }, { "end_time": "34:25", "start_time": "34:18", "text": "So I think the interest is always generated in a particular area depending on where it is in terms of global connectivity." }, { "end_time": "34:30", "start_time": "34:25", "text": "And I think Lakshwadeep was just off the map, but it's come into its mainstream now, and that's where it's happening." }, { "end_time": "34:41", "start_time": "34:30", "text": "And on fishing, which is my area, Lakshwadeep is also a base for a very particular kind of pole and line fishing method where there's this lovely boat, a local indigenous boat." }, { "end_time": "34:44", "start_time": "34:41", "text": "People sit around the boat with a hook and a line, essentially." }, { "end_time": "34:50", "start_time": "34:44", "text": "And they there's somebody who throws feed out as the boat is going to the water, and people catch tuna with it." }, { "end_time": "34:51", "start_time": "34:50", "text": "And that's very sustainable." }, { "end_time": "34:53", "start_time": "34:51", "text": "A lot of Maldives does that as well." }, { "end_time": "34:57", "start_time": "34:54", "text": "But India's expansion that we were speaking about earlier is not pole and line so much." }, { "end_time": "35:08", "start_time": "34:57", "text": "It's about long line, which is mechanized, capital intensive, very destructive because it takes sharks, it takes seabirds, it takes all kinds of fish because it's essentially a hook with a piece of bait on it." }, { "end_time": "35:10", "start_time": "35:08", "text": "And anything that bites it is just stuck on the hook." }, { "end_time": "35:11", "start_time": "35:10", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "35:14", "start_time": "35:11", "text": "So it's a very nonselective at least for a particular kind of species." }, { "end_time": "35:17", "start_time": "35:15", "text": "So that's the kind of expansion that's happening there as well." }, { "end_time": "35:30", "start_time": "35:17", "text": "So what happens to island economies, existing practices, cultures, when these kind of mainland developments go there is something that we've seen in different places, and I fear that it's gonna happen the same in Lakshadweep as well." }, { "end_time": "35:33", "start_time": "35:31", "text": "You think it's gonna have a bad impact on the ecology?" }, { "end_time": "35:39", "start_time": "35:33", "text": "I do think it's gonna have a bad impact on the ecology because I feel and that's not just specific to Lakshwadeep." }, { "end_time": "35:49", "start_time": "35:40", "text": "I think we fundamentally have not registered as people, but also as policy makers, that the ecology is in decline." }, { "end_time": "35:53", "start_time": "35:49", "text": "I mean, I think we've you spoke about this tree that fell outside." }, { "end_time": "35:58", "start_time": "35:53", "text": "Like, you're in a coastal city, but not on the coast, and you've lost a tree right in front of your house." }, { "end_time": "36:05", "start_time": "35:58", "text": "This is the reality of most people who live on the shoreline every year with more intensity, with more frequency." }, { "end_time": "36:07", "start_time": "36:06", "text": "They can see it in the fish disappearing." }, { "end_time": "36:10", "start_time": "36:07", "text": "They can see in in the monsoon cycle changing." }, { "end_time": "36:13", "start_time": "36:10", "text": "They can see it in the amount of jellyfish that come in here." }, { "end_time": "36:16", "start_time": "36:13", "text": "Jellyfish makes fishing absolutely impossible because you get stung." }, { "end_time": "36:18", "start_time": "36:16", "text": "Your fishing nets get clogged." }, { "end_time": "36:19", "start_time": "36:18", "text": "You're seeing it in wind speeds." }, { "end_time": "36:21", "start_time": "36:19", "text": "You're seeing it in cyclones." }, { "end_time": "36:24", "start_time": "36:21", "text": "When are we going to register that the ecology is a very fundamental part of the economy?" }, { "end_time": "36:25", "start_time": "36:25", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "36:31", "start_time": "36:25", "text": "And plans that don't start from that point of view, I think, are not setting up anything for the long term." }, { "end_time": "36:33", "start_time": "36:31", "text": "It's probably going to run its short course." }, { "end_time": "36:36", "start_time": "36:34", "text": "Then then there's gonna be a big cyclone that comes over." }, { "end_time": "36:37", "start_time": "36:36", "text": "Actually, it flattens the resorts." }, { "end_time": "36:38", "start_time": "36:38", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "36:41", "start_time": "36:38", "text": "You probably have a lot of nonperforming assets that come out of it." }, { "end_time": "36:41", "start_time": "36:41", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "36:46", "start_time": "36:41", "text": "But it's not something that leaves the people with anything to look forward for the next 100 years." }, { "end_time": "36:46", "start_time": "36:46", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "36:49", "start_time": "36:46", "text": "Like, what they need is this rising sea level." }, { "end_time": "36:51", "start_time": "36:49", "text": "They need stilted houses." }, { "end_time": "36:55", "start_time": "36:51", "text": "There's the very real frequency of ocean acidification, reef destruction." }, { "end_time": "36:59", "start_time": "36:56", "text": "Where are we looking at that as a central pillar of our development?" }, { "end_time": "37:02", "start_time": "36:59", "text": "I think that's where it's going to fail for a lot of our development policies." }, { "end_time": "37:03", "start_time": "37:03", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "37:07", "start_time": "37:04", "text": "Do you think that the cyclone and Bob may happen for a particular reason now?" }, { "end_time": "37:11", "start_time": "37:07", "text": "Because in 28 years of my existence, I've never come across anything so intense." }, { "end_time": "37:13", "start_time": "37:12", "text": "You're just staring at it." }, { "end_time": "37:15", "start_time": "37:13", "text": "Like, you know, what is happening here?" }, { "end_time": "37:17", "start_time": "37:15", "text": "Never seen wind speeds like that." }, { "end_time": "37:19", "start_time": "37:17", "text": "My mom went to see what's happening in the balcony." }, { "end_time": "37:20", "start_time": "37:19", "text": "She almost flew out." }, { "end_time": "37:20", "start_time": "37:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "37:22", "start_time": "37:20", "text": "It was It was intense." }, { "end_time": "37:24", "start_time": "37:22", "text": "And we had, like, hold her back." }, { "end_time": "37:25", "start_time": "37:24", "text": "I've never seen anything like it." }, { "end_time": "37:30", "start_time": "37:25", "text": "But what why is this happening according to you?" }, { "end_time": "37:39", "start_time": "37:31", "text": "So I'm not a meteorologist, but at least from my conversation with fishers and fishers come with a lot of traditional knowledge." }, { "end_time": "37:48", "start_time": "37:40", "text": "They probably look at the wind and they'll tell you that this month should not be an eastward blowing wind, but it's eastward, and there's gonna be jellyfish in the water." }, { "end_time": "37:51", "start_time": "37:48", "text": "And sure enough, next day, there'll be jellyfish in the water." }, { "end_time": "37:55", "start_time": "37:51", "text": "So there's a lot of confusion that's happening within them as well." }, { "end_time": "37:58", "start_time": "37:55", "text": "And that, for me, is more alarming than, let's say, a meteorological report." }, { "end_time": "38:06", "start_time": "37:58", "text": "But the truth is that ocean temperatures, ocean currents, and therefore existing wind patterns, high pressure, low pressure systems are changing." }, { "end_time": "38:09", "start_time": "38:06", "text": "And that's making weather systems really unpredictable." }, { "end_time": "38:11", "start_time": "38:09", "text": "We've just had the latest IPCC report." }, { "end_time": "38:17", "start_time": "38:12", "text": "It's filled with a lot of big terms, but very simply put, that's what's happening." }, { "end_time": "38:18", "start_time": "38:17", "text": "You know, ocean currents are shifting." }, { "end_time": "38:23", "start_time": "38:19", "text": "Oceans are warmer than they were a few decades or centuries ago." }, { "end_time": "38:27", "start_time": "38:23", "text": "That means that the air that is in contact with the water is of a different pattern." }, { "end_time": "38:35", "start_time": "38:27", "text": "That means that when it comes close to land, just like a southwest monsoons are a high pressure, low pressure system, wind flows from high pressure to low pressure." }, { "end_time": "38:37", "start_time": "38:35", "text": "Those pressure differentials are different." }, { "end_time": "38:40", "start_time": "38:37", "text": "They're either too extreme or they're too closely packed together." }, { "end_time": "38:43", "start_time": "38:40", "text": "And so you have patterns that have not been seen before." }, { "end_time": "38:47", "start_time": "38:43", "text": "And that's what's causing cyclones in April, in May, which are not cyclone months." }, { "end_time": "38:49", "start_time": "38:47", "text": "They're not even monsoon months." }, { "end_time": "38:49", "start_time": "38:49", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "38:49", "start_time": "38:49", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "38:53", "start_time": "38:50", "text": "And what's happening with that is because coastal resilience has been reduced." }, { "end_time": "38:59", "start_time": "38:54", "text": "Bombay's coastal road, the sea the the flyover, the sea, whatever it's called." }, { "end_time": "38:59", "start_time": "38:59", "text": "The sea link." }, { "end_time": "39:00", "start_time": "38:59", "text": "Sea link." }, { "end_time": "39:02", "start_time": "39:01", "text": "The Shivaji statue." }, { "end_time": "39:08", "start_time": "39:03", "text": "The reclamation that has happened over the last 100 years, whether it's the Mayim or Kolaba or all of that." }, { "end_time": "39:13", "start_time": "39:08", "text": "The coastline is no longer able to absorb what it used to with surges that happen in these storms." }, { "end_time": "39:14", "start_time": "39:13", "text": "What used to be there on the coastline?" }, { "end_time": "39:20", "start_time": "39:14", "text": "Like coral reefs or something like that to So there's again this idea that every coastline used to have mangroves." }, { "end_time": "39:24", "start_time": "39:20", "text": "I mean, a lot of our coastline have mangroves, but a lot of our coastlines don't." }, { "end_time": "39:25", "start_time": "39:24", "text": "They were rocky." }, { "end_time": "39:26", "start_time": "39:25", "text": "They were muddy." }, { "end_time": "39:27", "start_time": "39:26", "text": "They were clay." }, { "end_time": "39:29", "start_time": "39:27", "text": "They had estuarine river ecosystems." }, { "end_time": "39:32", "start_time": "39:30", "text": "So they used to absorb shocks in different ways." }, { "end_time": "39:40", "start_time": "39:32", "text": "So a rocky outcrop didn't have mangroves because it could withstand and it will always be a cliff for at a height, impervious rock that can withstand the sea." }, { "end_time": "39:42", "start_time": "39:41", "text": "But we've had a loss of all of that." }, { "end_time": "39:46", "start_time": "39:42", "text": "So when you build, let's say, you put tripods on Varsova beach." }, { "end_time": "39:53", "start_time": "39:46", "text": "The beach, just like sand in rivers, has an immense capacity to absorb water, to absorb that shock." }, { "end_time": "39:59", "start_time": "39:53", "text": "And the narrower and the thinner and the lesser those barriers become, the more the city gets impacted." }, { "end_time": "40:00", "start_time": "39:59", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "40:03", "start_time": "40:01", "text": "And and and and mangroves absorb that kind of water." }, { "end_time": "40:05", "start_time": "40:04", "text": "Sand absorbs that kind of water." }, { "end_time": "40:13", "start_time": "40:06", "text": "Canals and rivers that are healthy wide enough absorb the canal because the mitty, let's say, it didn't have a pillar in the middle of it." }, { "end_time": "40:15", "start_time": "40:13", "text": "It didn't have BKC's waste going into it." }, { "end_time": "40:18", "start_time": "40:15", "text": "A storm surge would have taken it all the way to Sanjay Gandhi National Park." }, { "end_time": "40:19", "start_time": "40:18", "text": "It would have swelled." }, { "end_time": "40:22", "start_time": "40:19", "text": "The sand would have absorbed the current, but that doesn't happen." }, { "end_time": "40:28", "start_time": "40:22", "text": "It just overflows into the banks and causes flooding into whatever reduced space it has." }, { "end_time": "40:30", "start_time": "40:28", "text": "So coastal resilience is reduced as well." }, { "end_time": "40:31", "start_time": "40:30", "text": "And then we've got urbanization." }, { "end_time": "40:36", "start_time": "40:31", "text": "I mean, big buildings coming up on the coastline, big infrastructure coming up on the coastline." }, { "end_time": "40:39", "start_time": "40:37", "text": "These these are not meant to be there." }, { "end_time": "40:45", "start_time": "40:39", "text": "But somehow we believe that the wonder of technology can keep up with and there's that bad Man's greed for money." }, { "end_time": "40:47", "start_time": "40:45", "text": "Because every time you're building a big building, you're also selling flats." }, { "end_time": "40:47", "start_time": "40:47", "text": "You're also possibly going through some form of money laundering in that process." }, { "end_time": "40:53", "start_time": "40:47", "text": "So at the end of the day, it's the ecology." }, { "end_time": "40:53", "start_time": "40:53", "text": "But Yeah." }, { "end_time": "40:54", "start_time": "40:53", "text": "Chase for money and, interestingly, of course, money is one big part of it." }, { "end_time": "40:56", "start_time": "40:54", "text": "But what are we doing?" }, { "end_time": "41:00", "start_time": "40:56", "text": "We're taking funds that are meant to be for the public and channeling it into very private lives." }, { "end_time": "41:13", "start_time": "41:07", "text": "For example, what could have been a a a transit corridor for trains has become a ceiling." }, { "end_time": "41:15", "start_time": "41:13", "text": "A majority of the people don't use cars." }, { "end_time": "41:16", "start_time": "41:15", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "41:19", "start_time": "41:16", "text": "Let one driver and one person is going to Nariman Point to work every day." }, { "end_time": "41:32", "start_time": "41:20", "text": "So we've also taken funds that could have helped the public at large with good infrastructure and fueled it into very narrow interest where the number of people who benefit from it is less, but the people who get impacted by it is more." }, { "end_time": "41:35", "start_time": "41:32", "text": "The fishers at Virli, let's say, being a perfect example." }, { "end_time": "41:38", "start_time": "41:35", "text": "You know, they've got their you know, the Hajji Ali Virli Bay?" }, { "end_time": "41:40", "start_time": "41:38", "text": "That's entirely now taken over." }, { "end_time": "41:42", "start_time": "41:40", "text": "So the fishers there, it's a very rich ecosystem." }, { "end_time": "41:56", "start_time": "41:42", "text": "In fact, a few years ago with our friends, we started something called marine life of Mumbai, which was just to take people out on spring tide days into the intertidal zones, get off the road, and walk into the ocean because the tide really recedes." }, { "end_time": "41:56", "start_time": "41:56", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "42:01", "start_time": "41:56", "text": "And on those days, you see how alive this city's coast, in spite of everything, is." }, { "end_time": "42:03", "start_time": "42:01", "text": "You know, we run a whole Instagram page." }, { "end_time": "42:04", "start_time": "42:03", "text": "It's fascinating." }, { "end_time": "42:07", "start_time": "42:04", "text": "And all of that is gone, which means people who live there are gone." }, { "end_time": "42:12", "start_time": "42:07", "text": "So I think there's also that which we really need to be concerned about because yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:12", "start_time": "42:12", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "42:13", "start_time": "42:12", "text": "Go on." }, { "end_time": "42:13", "start_time": "42:13", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "42:24", "start_time": "42:13", "text": "It's just that that that shift of bad infrastructure that takes from public funds and gives to to a few private hands, it's a very inequal, unequal kind of policy making that's happening." }, { "end_time": "42:24", "start_time": "42:24", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "42:27", "start_time": "42:24", "text": "And we need to be more concerned about it." }, { "end_time": "42:30", "start_time": "42:27", "text": "I have a burning question in my head that's been burning for a bit now." }, { "end_time": "42:32", "start_time": "42:30", "text": "You mentioned Antarctica." }, { "end_time": "42:32", "start_time": "42:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:34", "start_time": "42:32", "text": "So you've you've gone." }, { "end_time": "42:34", "start_time": "42:34", "text": "You've lived there." }, { "end_time": "42:36", "start_time": "42:34", "text": "You've traveled around." }, { "end_time": "42:38", "start_time": "42:37", "text": "What's that land like?" }, { "end_time": "42:40", "start_time": "42:38", "text": "Like, what is crazy about it?" }, { "end_time": "42:41", "start_time": "42:40", "text": "What do you see?" }, { "end_time": "42:44", "start_time": "42:42", "text": "You know, what are the experiences like?" }, { "end_time": "42:45", "start_time": "42:44", "text": "How cold does it get?" }, { "end_time": "42:48", "start_time": "42:46", "text": "All all these questions." }, { "end_time": "42:49", "start_time": "42:48", "text": "Like, just talk about it." }, { "end_time": "42:50", "start_time": "42:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:52", "start_time": "42:51", "text": "So I've been very fortunate." }, { "end_time": "42:58", "start_time": "42:52", "text": "I've been down to Antarctica 4 years in a row between 2,000 and 11 and 2015." }, { "end_time": "43:04", "start_time": "43:00", "text": "Because it's in the southern hemisphere, December is our winters, but it's their summers." }, { "end_time": "43:06", "start_time": "43:04", "text": "So I've gone down in the summers." }, { "end_time": "43:10", "start_time": "43:06", "text": "The reason for those 4 visits was on conservation campaigns." }, { "end_time": "43:13", "start_time": "43:10", "text": "2 were whaling related campaigns, 2 were fishing related campaigns." }, { "end_time": "43:26", "start_time": "43:14", "text": "And so that was the primary motive to go down on these old 50 year old ships with a volunteer crew and go hunting for pirate ships and operations and fly helicopters and chase them and pick up their gear." }, { "end_time": "43:29", "start_time": "43:27", "text": "So it was not just like a visit to Antarctica." }, { "end_time": "43:34", "start_time": "43:29", "text": "It was also a very unique visit to Antarctica because a lot of people get the chance to, let's say, go on holidays to Antarctica." }, { "end_time": "43:37", "start_time": "43:34", "text": "So you leave, you get onto a ship, or you get onto a flight." }, { "end_time": "43:40", "start_time": "43:38", "text": "You fly, you go to one of the bases, you go see the penguins." }, { "end_time": "43:44", "start_time": "43:41", "text": "But this was literally experiencing Antarctica in all its elements." }, { "end_time": "43:56", "start_time": "43:46", "text": "Pushing through ice, standing right next to towering icebergs, sending people to dive under icebergs and you're catching underwater life." }, { "end_time": "43:57", "start_time": "43:56", "text": "How how do people go diving down there?" }, { "end_time": "44:00", "start_time": "43:57", "text": "I mean, is the gear, like, warmer or something?" }, { "end_time": "44:00", "start_time": "44:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "44:06", "start_time": "44:00", "text": "So usually, if you dive in warmer waters, you wear something known as a wet suit, which is just an insulation but doesn't keep the water out." }, { "end_time": "44:11", "start_time": "44:06", "text": "When you dive in cold water, it's something known as a dry suit, which means it's completely sealed." }, { "end_time": "44:14", "start_time": "44:11", "text": "You wear a lot of warm clothes inside, and then you go." }, { "end_time": "44:16", "start_time": "44:14", "text": "Your diving time is much lesser as well." }, { "end_time": "44:20", "start_time": "44:16", "text": "I mean, it still causes a lot of numbness and things like that." }, { "end_time": "44:20", "start_time": "44:20", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "44:20", "start_time": "44:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "44:25", "start_time": "44:20", "text": "And and and saw the beauty on one side, like, fascinating landscapes." }, { "end_time": "44:30", "start_time": "44:25", "text": "The most in December, it's usually 24 hours of light in Antarctica." }, { "end_time": "44:33", "start_time": "44:30", "text": "So you will literally see the sunlight just go around." }, { "end_time": "44:34", "start_time": "44:33", "text": "It never rises and sing." }, { "end_time": "44:37", "start_time": "44:34", "text": "And so you have, like, orange." }, { "end_time": "44:44", "start_time": "44:37", "text": "You have, like, beautiful sunrises and sunsets in the sense that it's just long twilights." }, { "end_time": "44:50", "start_time": "44:44", "text": "So the orange is like 5 hours, then it's sunny, then it's again orange for 5 hours going down." }, { "end_time": "44:53", "start_time": "44:50", "text": "Then in January, February, it starts getting dark for 2 hours, 3 hours." }, { "end_time": "44:56", "start_time": "44:53", "text": "So you start seeing the southern lights, which is essentially the Earth's magnetism." }, { "end_time": "44:58", "start_time": "44:57", "text": "It pulls light and it dances." }, { "end_time": "45:00", "start_time": "44:58", "text": "You know, people know the north northern lights." }, { "end_time": "45:01", "start_time": "45:00", "text": "So you have the southern lights." }, { "end_time": "45:05", "start_time": "45:01", "text": "It's known as the Aurora Australis, which is the southern lights." }, { "end_time": "45:07", "start_time": "45:05", "text": "So there's a lot of that that you see." }, { "end_time": "45:16", "start_time": "45:07", "text": "You're with a bunch of people who are from all across the world, all genders, all sexual orientations, just living on a ship trying to make it through." }, { "end_time": "45:20", "start_time": "45:16", "text": "If we had to extend our campaign, we'd be like, we have to switch off the heaters." }, { "end_time": "45:31", "start_time": "45:20", "text": "So you're literally sitting in your room like, your breath, like, coming out of your mouth completely vaporizing in the room because the generator is just taking too much fuel so you switch it off." }, { "end_time": "45:32", "start_time": "45:31", "text": "So we've done things like that." }, { "end_time": "45:36", "start_time": "45:32", "text": "Helicopters on board, like flying the helicopter 100 nautical miles from the ship." }, { "end_time": "45:38", "start_time": "45:37", "text": "It was a tiny ship." }, { "end_time": "45:43", "start_time": "45:38", "text": "I remember once this naval pilot came and he said, how do you land and take off a helicopter from this thing?" }, { "end_time": "45:46", "start_time": "45:44", "text": "It was completely designed by one of the crew members." }, { "end_time": "45:47", "start_time": "45:46", "text": "There's a and and yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:53", "start_time": "45:47", "text": "So, you know, it was like pushing the limits of design, endurance, skill as well." }, { "end_time": "45:58", "start_time": "45:53", "text": "Like, we very often think about people as being skilled because they've got a degree." }, { "end_time": "46:00", "start_time": "45:58", "text": "But I think intention also builds a lot of skill in people." }, { "end_time": "46:03", "start_time": "46:00", "text": "And the intention was something's wrong, we gotta solve it." }, { "end_time": "46:04", "start_time": "46:03", "text": "We gotta intervene." }, { "end_time": "46:04", "start_time": "46:04", "text": "Jugard." }, { "end_time": "46:05", "start_time": "46:04", "text": "Jugard." }, { "end_time": "46:06", "start_time": "46:05", "text": "And, yeah, total jugard." }, { "end_time": "46:15", "start_time": "46:06", "text": "In fact, jugar reminds me, I built a fishing gear here of Wadala and shipped it to New Zealand and that went to Antarctica on a ship as well just to pick up fishing gear." }, { "end_time": "46:18", "start_time": "46:15", "text": "So Jugard was definitely something that we did." }, { "end_time": "46:20", "start_time": "46:18", "text": "What's the apex predator in Antarctica?" }, { "end_time": "46:21", "start_time": "46:20", "text": "Like, in those ecosystems?" }, { "end_time": "46:23", "start_time": "46:21", "text": "I'm guessing orcas." }, { "end_time": "46:24", "start_time": "46:23", "text": "Are they there?" }, { "end_time": "46:25", "start_time": "46:24", "text": "Orcas are there." }, { "end_time": "46:30", "start_time": "46:25", "text": "So Antarctica is so unique because it doesn't have it's known as a mixed ecosystem." }, { "end_time": "46:37", "start_time": "46:30", "text": "So unlike a triangle that we think about where there's one species and it controls the whole ecosystem, It's very mixed." }, { "end_time": "46:41", "start_time": "46:37", "text": "And the reason it's mixed is because of the ice that recedes and freezes." }, { "end_time": "46:44", "start_time": "46:42", "text": "So when it freezes, that continent becomes bigger." }, { "end_time": "46:50", "start_time": "46:44", "text": "And in the summers, when the ice melts, the continent kind of shrinks because you've got water, the ice becoming water." }, { "end_time": "46:56", "start_time": "46:50", "text": "So what happens is in that warming, a lot of lower species move up and a lot of tropical species move down." }, { "end_time": "47:02", "start_time": "46:56", "text": "So in the southern summers, you'd say that the orca eats seals and toothfish and it's an apex predator." }, { "end_time": "47:07", "start_time": "47:03", "text": "But when it's not there, that same toothfish is the apex predator of the deep sea." }, { "end_time": "47:09", "start_time": "47:07", "text": "It's because of toothfish." }, { "end_time": "47:10", "start_time": "47:09", "text": "It's It's like a shark?" }, { "end_time": "47:16", "start_time": "47:11", "text": "It's actually a big fatty fish that is like no other fish." }, { "end_time": "47:19", "start_time": "47:16", "text": "But it's got teeth and it's a predator of the deep seas." }, { "end_time": "47:21", "start_time": "47:19", "text": "Is it can it harm human beings?" }, { "end_time": "47:23", "start_time": "47:22", "text": "Not really." }, { "end_time": "47:28", "start_time": "47:23", "text": "It it can't harm human beings because it's very slow moving, slow maturity." }, { "end_time": "47:31", "start_time": "47:29", "text": "But the interesting thing is it's the world's most expensive fish." }, { "end_time": "47:32", "start_time": "47:32", "text": "To eat." }, { "end_time": "47:33", "start_time": "47:32", "text": "To eat." }, { "end_time": "47:34", "start_time": "47:33", "text": "Have you eaten it?" }, { "end_time": "47:35", "start_time": "47:34", "text": "I haven't eaten it." }, { "end_time": "47:35", "start_time": "47:35", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "47:40", "start_time": "47:35", "text": "But I I I I think 2 5 star hotels in Bombay serve it." }, { "end_time": "47:42", "start_time": "47:40", "text": "I think Hakka san serves it and then some other place." }, { "end_time": "47:47", "start_time": "47:43", "text": "But, yeah, it's like 2 and a half 1000 rupees, a a small fillet of fish to eat." }, { "end_time": "47:50", "start_time": "47:47", "text": "It retails for, like, quite a bit of money." }, { "end_time": "47:51", "start_time": "47:50", "text": "Just because it's fish from Antarctica." }, { "end_time": "47:53", "start_time": "47:52", "text": "What do you think it tastes like?" }, { "end_time": "48:01", "start_time": "47:54", "text": "It's meant to be really fatty and almost like salmony in the sense that it's that white flesh that separates easily." }, { "end_time": "48:02", "start_time": "48:02", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "48:10", "start_time": "48:02", "text": "So perhaps looks good with, like, beans and and what people eat that with, but probably really fancy." }, { "end_time": "48:11", "start_time": "48:10", "text": "I don't know, dude." }, { "end_time": "48:14", "start_time": "48:11", "text": "Like, I've always kind of been a little bit afraid of the ocean." }, { "end_time": "48:15", "start_time": "48:14", "text": "Like, it's always scared me, you know." }, { "end_time": "48:17", "start_time": "48:15", "text": "I've gone diving, in Seychelles." }, { "end_time": "48:20", "start_time": "48:17", "text": "I've, like, I've I've had some experiences with it." }, { "end_time": "48:24", "start_time": "48:20", "text": "I love the beach, but there's just something that scares the shit out of me when it comes to the ocean." }, { "end_time": "48:30", "start_time": "48:24", "text": "And then when I think of Antarctica, just as a place on earth that scares me because it's at the edge of earth pretty much." }, { "end_time": "48:30", "start_time": "48:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:31", "start_time": "48:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:34", "start_time": "48:31", "text": "Is there any scary aspects to being there?" }, { "end_time": "48:36", "start_time": "48:34", "text": "Like, you know, does the weather get scary?" }, { "end_time": "48:37", "start_time": "48:36", "text": "Why am I scared?" }, { "end_time": "48:39", "start_time": "48:37", "text": "Or kill off my fear, my captain said." }, { "end_time": "48:42", "start_time": "48:40", "text": "Like, what why is it scary?" }, { "end_time": "48:50", "start_time": "48:43", "text": "I mean, I think the ocean is scary because it's been it's been told to us in history as a scary, dark place." }, { "end_time": "48:50", "start_time": "48:50", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "48:54", "start_time": "48:50", "text": "Like, we've got the Kraken, which is like this big monster that exists over there." }, { "end_time": "48:55", "start_time": "48:54", "text": "Do you think it exists?" }, { "end_time": "49:02", "start_time": "48:57", "text": "I mean, I I don't think so because we know we know big squids exist, which are Kraken like." }, { "end_time": "49:08", "start_time": "49:03", "text": "And we know that because now we study sperm whales, and we know sperm whales go a kilometre or a mile under the sea." }, { "end_time": "49:18", "start_time": "49:08", "text": "They catch one of these big things, and they very often come to the surface and, you know, a tentacle of the big squid is hanging out of its mouth or it's in its poop, you know, remains of an octopus." }, { "end_time": "49:26", "start_time": "49:18", "text": "Or I've seen footage in fishing gear where they are picking up this toothfish fishing gear and there's a giant squid just attached to the net coming up." }, { "end_time": "49:26", "start_time": "49:26", "text": "How big is it?" }, { "end_time": "49:29", "start_time": "49:26", "text": "Like, how big is the when you say giant?" }, { "end_time": "49:34", "start_time": "49:31", "text": "I mean, it it it it's about 10 to 11 feet." }, { "end_time": "49:37", "start_time": "49:35", "text": "So the head would be like the size of my torso." }, { "end_time": "49:41", "start_time": "49:38", "text": "Just the head of a usual squid, the heads that much." }, { "end_time": "49:43", "start_time": "49:41", "text": "So and then the tentacles are about 10 feet." }, { "end_time": "49:45", "start_time": "49:43", "text": "So across the length of an average room." }, { "end_time": "49:47", "start_time": "49:45", "text": "It's also something called a colossal squid." }, { "end_time": "49:47", "start_time": "49:47", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "49:47", "start_time": "49:47", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:48", "start_time": "49:47", "text": "Colossal squid." }, { "end_time": "49:49", "start_time": "49:48", "text": "Which is even bigger." }, { "end_time": "49:50", "start_time": "49:49", "text": "Which is bigger." }, { "end_time": "49:54", "start_time": "49:50", "text": "And, you know, we've got now these remains of what these megafauna used to be." }, { "end_time": "49:57", "start_time": "49:54", "text": "So we have this trend of animals becoming smaller." }, { "end_time": "49:58", "start_time": "49:57", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "50:04", "start_time": "49:58", "text": "You know, there are accounts of tunas weighing 600 kilos, which and and, you know, being 11 feet high." }, { "end_time": "50:06", "start_time": "50:04", "text": "You don't find fish like that anymore." }, { "end_time": "50:09", "start_time": "50:06", "text": "The species exist, but it's no longer growing to that size." }, { "end_time": "50:12", "start_time": "50:09", "text": "So there's there's a whole change that is happening of that sort as well." }, { "end_time": "50:16", "start_time": "50:12", "text": "But Antarctica can be scary because of its weather and its remoteness." }, { "end_time": "50:16", "start_time": "50:16", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "50:21", "start_time": "50:16", "text": "So we used to go down on ships that were really old that were not meant to be in the ice." }, { "end_time": "50:23", "start_time": "50:21", "text": "So we've got stuck in ice." }, { "end_time": "50:27", "start_time": "50:23", "text": "There's a time when I was a novice, like, the first summer, and I misread the ice charts." }, { "end_time": "50:29", "start_time": "50:27", "text": "And we got stuck in ice for 3 days." }, { "end_time": "50:32", "start_time": "50:29", "text": "And the ship was not meant to be in ice." }, { "end_time": "50:38", "start_time": "50:32", "text": "So we literally, like, what You mean, when when you say stuck in ice, you mean, like, ice formed around the ship?" }, { "end_time": "50:39", "start_time": "50:38", "text": "Like, what is Ice." }, { "end_time": "50:50", "start_time": "50:39", "text": "So, so, I mean, just to give a little bit of the so so there's these there's a Ross Sea in Antarctica, which is a big whaling ground." }, { "end_time": "50:54", "start_time": "50:50", "text": "And the Ross sea has a current system that's clockwise." }, { "end_time": "50:58", "start_time": "50:54", "text": "And so the ice comes in and Ross sea freezes over in this winters." }, { "end_time": "51:00", "start_time": "50:58", "text": "But in the summer, it starts melting." }, { "end_time": "51:02", "start_time": "51:00", "text": "But it starts melting with the current." }, { "end_time": "51:04", "start_time": "51:02", "text": "So slowly, the ice goes out of it." }, { "end_time": "51:05", "start_time": "51:04", "text": "It doesn't suddenly empty out." }, { "end_time": "51:12", "start_time": "51:06", "text": "And you the way you read ice charts is that the satellite captures an image like an infrared image, and then then it shows you white and black." }, { "end_time": "51:14", "start_time": "51:12", "text": "Black is open water, white is the ice." }, { "end_time": "51:21", "start_time": "51:15", "text": "But it shifts very quickly or it it's not very accurate if there's heavy cloud cover and all, which is very common." }, { "end_time": "51:26", "start_time": "51:22", "text": "So I decided to cut into the Ross Sea thinking it was an open patch." }, { "end_time": "51:30", "start_time": "51:26", "text": "And slowly, the ice got thicker and thicker and thicker, and then we were just in ice." }, { "end_time": "51:35", "start_time": "51:30", "text": "And because the ice is shifting, you feel like, oh, I should just take a turn and go back out, but it doesn't happen like that." }, { "end_time": "51:37", "start_time": "51:35", "text": "So we got stuck in this ice." }, { "end_time": "51:49", "start_time": "51:37", "text": "And it's not like it freezes over, but it's just like the ice becomes so thick and so big and so, like, hard to get out of that you're pretty much, like, just stuck there until something starts moving." }, { "end_time": "51:52", "start_time": "51:49", "text": "And then we started pushing through the ice." }, { "end_time": "52:02", "start_time": "51:53", "text": "And we have this helicopter that was on the front and it was flying with its light on, and it was like every time it would say go right, there's a little bit of open water, it would like tilt." }, { "end_time": "52:04", "start_time": "52:02", "text": "So we'd be like, okay, we have to go right." }, { "end_time": "52:07", "start_time": "52:04", "text": "Then it would because he could see from the height what he was seeing." }, { "end_time": "52:17", "start_time": "52:07", "text": "And we had people in the hull of the ship, which was underwater, literally standing and telling us all the the hull the, like, the metal is, like, bending with, like, hitting into the ice and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "52:18", "start_time": "52:17", "text": "God." }, { "end_time": "52:20", "start_time": "52:18", "text": "So those are, like, scary moments for sure." }, { "end_time": "52:21", "start_time": "52:20", "text": "What the fuck, man?" }, { "end_time": "52:24", "start_time": "52:22", "text": "We had Hans Dalal on the show." }, { "end_time": "52:26", "start_time": "52:24", "text": "We speak a lot about animals to Hans Dalal." }, { "end_time": "52:31", "start_time": "52:27", "text": "And he told me that when a tiger looks you in the eye, it feels like it's scanning your soul." }, { "end_time": "52:32", "start_time": "52:31", "text": "And I've had that experience." }, { "end_time": "52:36", "start_time": "52:33", "text": "Unfortunately, in a sort of zoo, not a zoo Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:43", "start_time": "52:36", "text": "But the other thing called Vanveehar in Bhopal, which they've very turned, like, sort of the small sanctuary into, like, an artificial zoo." }, { "end_time": "52:45", "start_time": "52:43", "text": "But the carnivores are inside cages." }, { "end_time": "52:47", "start_time": "52:45", "text": "But you get to see a tiger super up close." }, { "end_time": "52:52", "start_time": "52:47", "text": "Like a tiger was probably born and raised in the wild, but now they've kept it in captivity." }, { "end_time": "52:54", "start_time": "52:53", "text": "And you feel like it's looking into your soul." }, { "end_time": "53:01", "start_time": "52:54", "text": "And I just feel like some higher animals for the lack of a better word, have that ability to know what's going on inside you." }, { "end_time": "53:04", "start_time": "53:01", "text": "In the same way that dogs smell your hormones Yeah." }, { "end_time": "53:05", "start_time": "53:04", "text": "And they know what you're feeling." }, { "end_time": "53:05", "start_time": "53:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "53:11", "start_time": "53:05", "text": "I feel like some of these elephants or whales for that matter, when they look at you, it's like they're scanning you a lot." }, { "end_time": "53:12", "start_time": "53:11", "text": "Scanning you." }, { "end_time": "53:12", "start_time": "53:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "53:13", "start_time": "53:12", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "53:15", "start_time": "53:13", "text": "It does seem like you feel like there's something behind that look." }, { "end_time": "53:17", "start_time": "53:15", "text": "There's something going on within them." }, { "end_time": "53:17", "start_time": "53:17", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "53:18", "start_time": "53:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "53:18", "start_time": "53:18", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "53:22", "start_time": "53:18", "text": "Which is which is what, troubles me about the concept of whaling." }, { "end_time": "53:22", "start_time": "53:22", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "53:26", "start_time": "53:22", "text": "Like, these animals probably go up to those fishing vessels out of their own curiosity." }, { "end_time": "53:27", "start_time": "53:26", "text": "They are thinking that, hey." }, { "end_time": "53:28", "start_time": "53:27", "text": "What's what's up there?" }, { "end_time": "53:29", "start_time": "53:28", "text": "What's up there?" }, { "end_time": "53:33", "start_time": "53:29", "text": "And they go straight, like, into the swim into their own death, Unfortunately." }, { "end_time": "53:41", "start_time": "53:33", "text": "That unfortunately, I mean, just to allay that fear because actually whales have picked up that these kind of propellers and speeds and frequency mean a harpoon is coming." }, { "end_time": "53:43", "start_time": "53:41", "text": "Because whales communicate a lot with each other." }, { "end_time": "53:50", "start_time": "53:43", "text": "For example, doctor Roger Payne, who I've had the absolute joy of meeting, he's the first one who discovered the songs of the humpback whales." }, { "end_time": "53:54", "start_time": "53:50", "text": "In fact, he even released a LP that's called songs of the humpback whales." }, { "end_time": "54:04", "start_time": "53:54", "text": "And there's literally communication that happens about migratory routes, about dangers, about, you know, storms, and there's patterns that they repeat." }, { "end_time": "54:08", "start_time": "54:04", "text": "Each port has its unique lang language and song that they communicate." }, { "end_time": "54:11", "start_time": "54:08", "text": "So whales, they've actually realized communicate that harpoon ships are coming." }, { "end_time": "54:18", "start_time": "54:11", "text": "So they perhaps won't run away from my ship because the propeller sounds different, but they would run away from a whaling ship that's coming up to it." }, { "end_time": "54:27", "start_time": "54:19", "text": "So that is something but we've just and and that the purposelessness that I was talking about I mean, I used to work on ships." }, { "end_time": "54:27", "start_time": "54:27", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "54:30", "start_time": "54:27", "text": "And I have a deep love for ship engineering, like nautical engineering." }, { "end_time": "54:42", "start_time": "54:31", "text": "But when I saw whaling harpoon ships and their engineering, it awed me and then it disgusted me because it has come out of a space where it turns on a dime." }, { "end_time": "54:44", "start_time": "54:42", "text": "It accelerates at no time." }, { "end_time": "54:49", "start_time": "54:44", "text": "Its center of buoyancy is designed in a way that it can chase ships in a particular weather." }, { "end_time": "54:54", "start_time": "54:49", "text": "And so every engineer sat down and said, how do we design a ship that can kill a whale?" }, { "end_time": "55:00", "start_time": "54:55", "text": "I think that's the kind of purposelessness of killing that really blows my mind that it exists today." }, { "end_time": "55:04", "start_time": "55:00", "text": "And the whales, unfortunately, are completely outdone." }, { "end_time": "55:06", "start_time": "55:04", "text": "Because what happens is when they first hear it, they dive." }, { "end_time": "55:08", "start_time": "55:06", "text": "The whaler's wait." }, { "end_time": "55:09", "start_time": "55:08", "text": "It starts tiring." }, { "end_time": "55:12", "start_time": "55:09", "text": "It can't it and it's running and it's diving." }, { "end_time": "55:17", "start_time": "55:12", "text": "So ultimately, it's just on the surface as a slower whale and that's when it gets harpooned." }, { "end_time": "55:19", "start_time": "55:17", "text": "So it's literally chasing down and killing." }, { "end_time": "55:20", "start_time": "55:19", "text": "This happens all over the world." }, { "end_time": "55:24", "start_time": "55:20", "text": "It's not just the Japanese whalers even though we have the most prolific footage of them." }, { "end_time": "55:25", "start_time": "55:24", "text": "The Norwegians do the same thing." }, { "end_time": "55:27", "start_time": "55:25", "text": "The Icelandic do the same thing." }, { "end_time": "55:31", "start_time": "55:27", "text": "So, yeah, it's it's it's engineered a ship to kill a whale." }, { "end_time": "55:33", "start_time": "55:31", "text": "They go after one whale at a time?" }, { "end_time": "55:39", "start_time": "55:34", "text": "So usually, the fleet goes out and they can only harpoon one whale." }, { "end_time": "55:39", "start_time": "55:39", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "55:42", "start_time": "55:39", "text": "But they usually harpoon one wheel and tie it to the side." }, { "end_time": "55:43", "start_time": "55:42", "text": "It's a dead body floating." }, { "end_time": "55:46", "start_time": "55:43", "text": "And then they'll kill another one and tie it to the other side." }, { "end_time": "55:49", "start_time": "55:46", "text": "So 2 or 3 at one time they can bring back." }, { "end_time": "55:49", "start_time": "55:49", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "55:54", "start_time": "55:49", "text": "But not more than that because it's also a huge weight on the side of the ship once it's killed." }, { "end_time": "55:55", "start_time": "55:54", "text": "You can't really have them for that long." }, { "end_time": "55:57", "start_time": "55:55", "text": "And these are all those whales that you spoke about." }, { "end_time": "55:58", "start_time": "55:57", "text": "It could be a blue whale." }, { "end_time": "56:00", "start_time": "55:58", "text": "It could be a sperm whale." }, { "end_time": "56:02", "start_time": "56:00", "text": "It could be anything or the specific species." }, { "end_time": "56:16", "start_time": "56:03", "text": "So between, let's say, 18 fifties when whaling started in Antarctica and about 1954, that 100 year period, 13 lakh whales were killed in Antarctica alone." }, { "end_time": "56:17", "start_time": "56:16", "text": "That's 1,300,000 whales." }, { "end_time": "56:21", "start_time": "56:17", "text": "So the blue whale species, which is the biggest whale I mean, they are bigger than dinosaurs as well." }, { "end_time": "56:26", "start_time": "56:21", "text": "That's the biggest animal that has ever lived and still lives, was nearly entirely wiped out." }, { "end_time": "56:32", "start_time": "56:26", "text": "Just to give an example, I don't know how people understand sizes, but I understand sizes." }, { "end_time": "56:36", "start_time": "56:32", "text": "It's the size of a average best bus, an average full size bus." }, { "end_time": "56:40", "start_time": "56:36", "text": "29,000 of them were killed in the year 1928 in one summer alone." }, { "end_time": "56:42", "start_time": "56:40", "text": "That's the amount of whaling that used to happen." }, { "end_time": "56:44", "start_time": "56:43", "text": "So they are not allowed to be hunted." }, { "end_time": "56:47", "start_time": "56:44", "text": "There's an international agreement that blue whales can't be hunted." }, { "end_time": "56:50", "start_time": "56:48", "text": "Fin whales also can't be hunted in Antarctica." }, { "end_time": "56:51", "start_time": "56:50", "text": "Humbback whales can't be as well." }, { "end_time": "56:56", "start_time": "56:51", "text": "So the Japanese whaling program is only now Minke whales." }, { "end_time": "56:59", "start_time": "56:56", "text": "They used to have a small fin whale quota, but they no longer do." }, { "end_time": "57:07", "start_time": "56:59", "text": "The Norwegian and the Icelandic, in fact, they do fin most of they they're mostly harpoon fin whales, and they do it within their waters." }, { "end_time": "57:09", "start_time": "57:07", "text": "There's like jurisdictions at sea as well." }, { "end_time": "57:13", "start_time": "57:09", "text": "So no international agreement actually applies in their waters." }, { "end_time": "57:23", "start_time": "57:13", "text": "So it's different, but yeah, blue whales are off and humpback whales are too much of a tourism draw because, you know, they have big pectoral fins and they usually drive the whaling industry." }, { "end_time": "57:25", "start_time": "57:23", "text": "I mean, the tourism industry." }, { "end_time": "57:29", "start_time": "57:25", "text": "But fin whales and minke whales, which are the top 2, are the ones that get targeted mostly." }, { "end_time": "57:31", "start_time": "57:30", "text": "What about orcas?" }, { "end_time": "57:32", "start_time": "57:31", "text": "Killer whales?" }, { "end_time": "57:35", "start_time": "57:32", "text": "Like, where do they kind of land in the spectrum?" }, { "end_time": "57:37", "start_time": "57:35", "text": "Are they also targeted?" }, { "end_time": "57:38", "start_time": "57:37", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "57:44", "start_time": "57:38", "text": "Killer whales have an entirely different fate, which is aquariums and parks." }, { "end_time": "57:47", "start_time": "57:44", "text": "I mean, SeaWorld is born out of orcas being able to do trade." }, { "end_time": "57:48", "start_time": "57:47", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "57:51", "start_time": "57:48", "text": "And that's a horrible, horrible fate to meet as well." }, { "end_time": "57:55", "start_time": "57:51", "text": "Have you heard about those orcas that killed their trainers because they go crazy?" }, { "end_time": "57:56", "start_time": "57:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "57:56", "start_time": "57:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "57:58", "start_time": "57:56", "text": "Do you wanna enlighten the listeners on that?" }, { "end_time": "58:03", "start_time": "57:58", "text": "From the, you know, mouth of a marine biologist, I'd rather have you explain it than myself." }, { "end_time": "58:10", "start_time": "58:03", "text": "I mean, I'm I'm not a marine biologist, but I I do know that, you know, orcas like I said, blue whales are on the bailing side." }, { "end_time": "58:13", "start_time": "58:11", "text": "Orca orcas are the top of the chain on the 2 thirds side." }, { "end_time": "58:19", "start_time": "58:13", "text": "So, you know, they are off the whale species, but they are a cousin of the whale species." }, { "end_time": "58:32", "start_time": "58:19", "text": "And, they are highly mobile, highly evolved, highly pack animals that move multiple like, they cross continents in packs." }, { "end_time": "58:41", "start_time": "58:32", "text": "They people have seen videos, but if they haven't, you know, they they've found ways to swim in stealth, catch seals off the beach, toss them into the air." }, { "end_time": "58:44", "start_time": "58:41", "text": "Like, they play with their food when they want to teach their young." }, { "end_time": "58:47", "start_time": "58:44", "text": "They'll they'll catch a seal, but they'll go and put it back on the stone." }, { "end_time": "58:51", "start_time": "58:47", "text": "And the seal is confused so the mother will then tell the cub how to, like, catch it." }, { "end_time": "58:58", "start_time": "58:51", "text": "So cub They train the children in hunting and they have generational hunting techniques, which one generation passes down to the next generation." }, { "end_time": "59:00", "start_time": "58:58", "text": "That's the intelligence of that animal." }, { "end_time": "59:04", "start_time": "59:00", "text": "So there's oral tradition as we say, you know, you let's say fishing communities have oral tradition." }, { "end_time": "59:07", "start_time": "59:04", "text": "These are animals that have oral traditions as well." }, { "end_time": "59:08", "start_time": "59:07", "text": "It's not written anywhere." }, { "end_time": "59:19", "start_time": "59:09", "text": "What happens with the seawall trade is essentially that for aquariums and performance shows, 1 or 2 individuals of these packs get taken into, used to be." }, { "end_time": "59:21", "start_time": "59:19", "text": "Now you can only breed them in captivity." }, { "end_time": "59:23", "start_time": "59:21", "text": "Wild orcas can't be caught." }, { "end_time": "59:25", "start_time": "59:23", "text": "And the public sentiment around it is changing." }, { "end_time": "59:37", "start_time": "59:25", "text": "But essentially, you've taken an animal that's a very social animal, a highly migratory animal, a animal that requires the open ocean for its full life and put it into a tank that is not much bigger than this room." }, { "end_time": "59:43", "start_time": "59:37", "text": "It's the equivalent of taking a human being and putting it into a Solitary confinement, essentially." }, { "end_time": "59:46", "start_time": "59:43", "text": "Which is like which will make your hands and your legs stick to each other." }, { "end_time": "59:49", "start_time": "59:46", "text": "It's that's the equivalent all its life." }, { "end_time": "59:49", "start_time": "59:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "59:56", "start_time": "59:49", "text": "And so you have behaviors where whales then end up just banging their head all the time or they just go back and forth." }, { "end_time": "59:58", "start_time": "59:56", "text": "Their teeth begin to rot completely." }, { "end_time": "1:00:06", "start_time": "59:59", "text": "They for many, many months, they keep making that sound that they make for finding their pack if they get lost out at sea." }, { "end_time": "1:00:11", "start_time": "1:00:06", "text": "It's a long distance sound that allows it to so, you know, they are looking for their family." }, { "end_time": "1:00:14", "start_time": "1:00:11", "text": "They're poured out there, and that's been denied." }, { "end_time": "1:00:17", "start_time": "1:00:14", "text": "So I think seawall and aquariums have been a horrible experience for orcas." }, { "end_time": "1:00:20", "start_time": "1:00:18", "text": "Luckily, the public sentiment around it is changing." }, { "end_time": "1:00:31", "start_time": "1:00:21", "text": "I just hope countries like India, China, which were also floating these ideas don't end up having them because, you know, it's something that America, Europe did, and it's no longer Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:00:32", "start_time": "1:00:31", "text": "Something that's in vogue." }, { "end_time": "1:00:34", "start_time": "1:00:32", "text": "I don't think we should pick that up and bring it here." }, { "end_time": "1:00:35", "start_time": "1:00:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:00:44", "start_time": "1:00:35", "text": "I actually think one of the good outcomes of COVID other than the environment kind of picking up again is that people started sort of disliking zoos and things like seaworld." }, { "end_time": "1:00:47", "start_time": "1:00:45", "text": "I don't know why that's happened, but I've seen it happen." }, { "end_time": "1:00:49", "start_time": "1:00:47", "text": "It might just be gen you know what Gen z is?" }, { "end_time": "1:00:52", "start_time": "1:00:49", "text": "Like, people born after 1998 upon Gen z." }, { "end_time": "1:00:52", "start_time": "1:00:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:00:56", "start_time": "1:00:53", "text": "They are super environmentally conscious as compared to the previous generation." }, { "end_time": "1:00:58", "start_time": "1:00:56", "text": "So maybe they're spreading the awareness." }, { "end_time": "1:01:04", "start_time": "1:00:58", "text": "But there is a certain amount of hate that's developed towards zoos, which is a good thing according to me." }, { "end_time": "1:01:05", "start_time": "1:01:04", "text": "Zoos of any kind." }, { "end_time": "1:01:06", "start_time": "1:01:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:01:06", "start_time": "1:01:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:01:10", "start_time": "1:01:06", "text": "And yet we've heard the good news about the penguins giving birth." }, { "end_time": "1:01:14", "start_time": "1:01:10", "text": "I think Bombay Zoo has given there's been penguins and there's and I'm I don't know." }, { "end_time": "1:01:23", "start_time": "1:01:14", "text": "I mean, I think that's a complex complex situation for me because I know I'm sitting here with a lot of privilege saying I went for 4 trips to Antarctica." }, { "end_time": "1:01:34", "start_time": "1:01:24", "text": "What does the average person who didn't have a training at sea, who was not upper cast male like me, who didn't have how do you make those connections?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:39", "start_time": "1:01:34", "text": "I think documentaries and storytelling podcasts like these, I think that communication is changing that." }, { "end_time": "1:01:42", "start_time": "1:01:39", "text": "And I think zoos will also be a thing of the past Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:01:46", "start_time": "1:01:43", "text": "For for sure, and especially in their current formats." }, { "end_time": "1:01:51", "start_time": "1:01:46", "text": "I think caged animals as a learning technique, I don't I don't think they have much value." }, { "end_time": "1:02:05", "start_time": "1:01:52", "text": "But I think until we can get people information in more accessible, publicly funded vernacular languages and connect them with what's out there in our world, I think maybe zoos do play some role." }, { "end_time": "1:02:08", "start_time": "1:02:05", "text": "I'm not sure what role that is, but there is some role that they can play." }, { "end_time": "1:02:13", "start_time": "1:02:08", "text": "You mean as a young people end up falling in love with animals because of zoos and then eventually may become conservationists?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:20", "start_time": "1:02:14", "text": "I mean, I don't think anybody has everybody has to become conservationists in my view, but I think it I mean, like the whale's eye." }, { "end_time": "1:02:20", "start_time": "1:02:20", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:23", "start_time": "1:02:21", "text": "It builds something for you and me when we saw it." }, { "end_time": "1:02:31", "start_time": "1:02:23", "text": "What if somebody had a chance to see, like, a brown bear and feel something about the Karnataka Hampi landscape where the brown bear lives?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:33", "start_time": "1:02:31", "text": "Maybe it builds something in them." }, { "end_time": "1:02:36", "start_time": "1:02:33", "text": "They are from Karnataka migrant living in the city." }, { "end_time": "1:02:39", "start_time": "1:02:36", "text": "You know, people chance on some encounter and it changes them." }, { "end_time": "1:02:39", "start_time": "1:02:39", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:02:48", "start_time": "1:02:39", "text": "And maybe a zoo at some point, a well kept zoo, an open zoo, a zoo that is designed for the animal, not that the animal is confined to it." }, { "end_time": "1:02:51", "start_time": "1:02:48", "text": "Which is why we need virtual reality, captain Sadat." }, { "end_time": "1:02:52", "start_time": "1:02:52", "text": "Probably." }, { "end_time": "1:02:52", "start_time": "1:02:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:02:57", "start_time": "1:02:52", "text": "Like, I mean, I actually think that that's just one of the problems that virtual reality was solving." }, { "end_time": "1:03:00", "start_time": "1:02:57", "text": "Virtual reality is on its way, honestly." }, { "end_time": "1:03:03", "start_time": "1:03:00", "text": "So how would you imagine what your reality doing?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:08", "start_time": "1:03:03", "text": "So first of all, I think that there are virtual reality devices which are extremely expensive, and it's a matter of time." }, { "end_time": "1:03:10", "start_time": "1:03:08", "text": "Say around 2 decades, I anticipate Right." }, { "end_time": "1:03:14", "start_time": "1:03:10", "text": "Might be shorter than that because who knew that phones will become so advanced by 2010?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:15", "start_time": "1:03:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:03:20", "start_time": "1:03:15", "text": "Like, I remember when my dad got a a touch screen phone for the first time in 2005, I thought that was crazy." }, { "end_time": "1:03:22", "start_time": "1:03:21", "text": "I was like, oh, a phone you can touch?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:25", "start_time": "1:03:23", "text": "And now it's like every everyone's phones are touch screen phone." }, { "end_time": "1:03:26", "start_time": "1:03:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:03:27", "start_time": "1:03:26", "text": "It's a matter of 15 years." }, { "end_time": "1:03:29", "start_time": "1:03:27", "text": "So who knows what the next 15 years will hold?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:35", "start_time": "1:03:29", "text": "But I feel like once virtual reality becomes affordable, reality is going to move into the metaverse." }, { "end_time": "1:03:35", "start_time": "1:03:35", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:03:41", "start_time": "1:03:35", "text": "So say instead of captain said coming down to my office in Mumbai, you can have a virtual reality board in Nasik." }, { "end_time": "1:03:43", "start_time": "1:03:41", "text": "Why do I need you here in person?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:48", "start_time": "1:03:43", "text": "I need you here to see your body movements while you're talking to me, to see how you look." }, { "end_time": "1:03:48", "start_time": "1:03:48", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:03:51", "start_time": "1:03:48", "text": "But that can actually happen virtually one day." }, { "end_time": "1:03:52", "start_time": "1:03:51", "text": "Right now it can't." }, { "end_time": "1:03:55", "start_time": "1:03:52", "text": "So it'll actually solve a lot of the problems that human beings face." }, { "end_time": "1:03:57", "start_time": "1:03:55", "text": "It'll create new industries." }, { "end_time": "1:04:07", "start_time": "1:03:57", "text": "It'll solve problems like this and life as we know it is going to get divided into the life you live in virtual reality and the life you live for the sake of your health." }, { "end_time": "1:04:09", "start_time": "1:04:07", "text": "Because your body will still be yours." }, { "end_time": "1:04:09", "start_time": "1:04:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:04:11", "start_time": "1:04:09", "text": "So these will be the 2 industries." }, { "end_time": "1:04:16", "start_time": "1:04:12", "text": "Most industries will move to virtual reality, but the industry of health will be here." }, { "end_time": "1:04:17", "start_time": "1:04:16", "text": "That's what I underestimate." }, { "end_time": "1:04:21", "start_time": "1:04:18", "text": "So, yeah, that's that's what I think." }, { "end_time": "1:04:26", "start_time": "1:04:22", "text": "So that was part 1 of this lovely conversation with captain Sid." }, { "end_time": "1:04:28", "start_time": "1:04:26", "text": "Trust me, part 2 gets even better." }, { "end_time": "1:04:30", "start_time": "1:04:28", "text": "Do not miss out on that." }, { "end_time": "1:04:33", "start_time": "1:04:30", "text": "Remember to follow TRS on Spotify." }, { "end_time": "1:04:39", "start_time": "1:04:33", "text": "We're Spotify exclusive, which means that every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world." }, { "end_time": "1:04:51", "start_time": "1:04:40", "text": "In part 2, we're talking about everything from the supposed sea monsters to the geopolitics of oceans to some of the most beautiful places that captain Sid has visited." }, { "end_time": "1:04:54", "start_time": "1:04:51", "text": "You guys are gonna enjoy that one as much as this one." }, { "end_time": "1:04:56", "start_time": "1:04:54", "text": "Until next time, guys, from Ranveer and the team." }, { "end_time": "1:04:58", "start_time": "1:04:57", "text": "See you later." } ] }

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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:10", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "Sea monsters, geopolitics of the ocean, ghost ships, all these fantastic ocean based stories that you hear about in movies, in storybooks." }, { "end_time": "0:14", "start_time": "0:11", "text": "Imagine a person who's actually experienced some of this stuff." }, { "end_time": "0:18", "start_time": "0:14", "text": "This is part 2 of our special conversation with captain Sid Chakravarthy." }, { "end_time": "0:23", "start_time": "0:19", "text": "If you guys haven't checked out part 1, I encourage you to first check out part 1." }, { "end_time": "0:27", "start_time": "0:23", "text": "He spoke about his time in Antarctica, how he began this entire journey." }, { "end_time": "0:30", "start_time": "0:27", "text": "And part 2 is an extension of part 1." }, { "end_time": "0:33", "start_time": "0:30", "text": "But even if you've not checked out part 1, it's okay." }, { "end_time": "0:37", "start_time": "0:33", "text": "You'll still gain a lot of value and entertainment from this particular episode." }, { "end_time": "0:39", "start_time": "0:37", "text": "Make sure you follow the Renby Show on Spotify." }, { "end_time": "0:45", "start_time": "0:39", "text": "We're a Spotify exclusive, which means that every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world." }, { "end_time": "0:52", "start_time": "0:46", "text": "This is part 2 of this conversation about oceans with captain Sid Chakravarthy on the Ranveer Show." }, { "end_time": "1:10", "start_time": "1:07", "text": "I think most of the stars by this point probably know megaphones." }, { "end_time": "1:18", "start_time": "1:11", "text": "So between the time dinosaurs ruled the earth and human beings ruled the earth, there was this long phase where massive animals ruled the earth." }, { "end_time": "1:18", "start_time": "1:18", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:24", "start_time": "1:18", "text": "Which we see in the movies like ice age or 10000 BC, your saber tooth tigers, mammoths." }, { "end_time": "1:25", "start_time": "1:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:31", "start_time": "1:26", "text": "It's said that there are still some megafauna left, but they're probably not discovered." }, { "end_time": "1:35", "start_time": "1:31", "text": "Like, there's supposed to be a stegosaurus somewhere in, the jungles of the Congo." }, { "end_time": "1:41", "start_time": "1:36", "text": "They say that the ocean is probably the likeliest place where you'll find megafauna because their depths aren't explored." }, { "end_time": "1:41", "start_time": "1:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:45", "start_time": "1:41", "text": "Because you've explored the oceans as much as you have, do you think that's that could be true?" }, { "end_time": "1:52", "start_time": "1:45", "text": "Like, the colossal squid is one example or but could there be more stuff down there?" }, { "end_time": "1:55", "start_time": "1:52", "text": "As as as far as I know, and I'm not a marine biologist." }, { "end_time": "1:55", "start_time": "1:55", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:57", "start_time": "1:55", "text": "Like, I've worked with marine biologists." }, { "end_time": "2:02", "start_time": "1:57", "text": "I feel like I mean, source of life is photosynthesis and light is needed." }, { "end_time": "2:05", "start_time": "2:02", "text": "And the deeper we go down to the oceans, there's less of that." }, { "end_time": "2:10", "start_time": "2:05", "text": "But that's again to quantify that everybody thought that no life would exist at depths because of the darkness." }, { "end_time": "2:15", "start_time": "2:10", "text": "And now you're finding coral reefs growing in like sulfur vents somewhere in the bottom of the ocean." }, { "end_time": "2:16", "start_time": "2:15", "text": "So I think it's a question." }, { "end_time": "2:21", "start_time": "2:16", "text": "At the same time, of the coast of Greenland, you have a shark today that's about 360 years old." }, { "end_time": "2:23", "start_time": "2:21", "text": "It's called the basking shark." }, { "end_time": "2:25", "start_time": "2:23", "text": "It's the world's oldest living animal." }, { "end_time": "2:27", "start_time": "2:25", "text": "There's nothing else that's as old with it." }, { "end_time": "2:28", "start_time": "2:27", "text": "What what kind of shark is it?" }, { "end_time": "2:32", "start_time": "2:29", "text": "It's it's a very slow moving Greenland shark." }, { "end_time": "2:36", "start_time": "2:33", "text": "It it so sharks I mean, there's over a 100 species of sharks." }, { "end_time": "2:36", "start_time": "2:36", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "2:38", "start_time": "2:36", "text": "Like, we see jaws and we're like, every shark is a killer." }, { "end_time": "2:45", "start_time": "2:38", "text": "But there's sharks the size of my palm to the whale shark, which is just like a filter feeder that has no teeth even." }, { "end_time": "2:55", "start_time": "2:45", "text": "So it's one of those filter feeding kind of benign sharks that lives in great depths, cold waters, slow moving 360 year old shark." }, { "end_time": "3:00", "start_time": "2:55", "text": "I guess it's encountered a lot of, like, mega fauna in its lifetime." }, { "end_time": "3:01", "start_time": "3:00", "text": "But I would think no." }, { "end_time": "3:09", "start_time": "3:01", "text": "I think there's a lot of bigger interesting species that'll tell us about life, evolution, and how life adapts at different depths." }, { "end_time": "3:14", "start_time": "3:09", "text": "I'm not so confident that there's gonna be a big megafauna that comes to the depths from us." }, { "end_time": "3:15", "start_time": "3:14", "text": "No Megalodon." }, { "end_time": "3:16", "start_time": "3:15", "text": "No Megalodon." }, { "end_time": "3:18", "start_time": "3:16", "text": "I think we it's time has passed." }, { "end_time": "3:19", "start_time": "3:18", "text": "It definitely existed." }, { "end_time": "3:24", "start_time": "3:21", "text": "But that but that's to say that we have megafauna with us right now." }, { "end_time": "3:24", "start_time": "3:24", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "3:26", "start_time": "3:24", "text": "We might not have them in the near future." }, { "end_time": "3:28", "start_time": "3:26", "text": "We've almost lost the blue whale." }, { "end_time": "3:32", "start_time": "3:28", "text": "We've got the orcas that are I mean, we we we don't really know them." }, { "end_time": "3:35", "start_time": "3:32", "text": "We've got great white sharks, which is a megafauna." }, { "end_time": "3:37", "start_time": "3:35", "text": "We've got toothfish, which is a megafauna." }, { "end_time": "3:45", "start_time": "3:37", "text": "We've got, like, animals within their little ecosystem, whether that's a reef, whether that's a wide open ocean, they exist out there." }, { "end_time": "3:56", "start_time": "3:45", "text": "And I think recognizing that we have mecha fauna right now is something that we'd really do good just recognizing that rather than saying we'll find 1 in the near future." }, { "end_time": "3:58", "start_time": "3:56", "text": "Have you come across a great white shark on your travels?" }, { "end_time": "4:01", "start_time": "3:59", "text": "Never a great white shark." }, { "end_time": "4:02", "start_time": "4:01", "text": "But I a tiger." }, { "end_time": "4:02", "start_time": "4:02", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "4:04", "start_time": "4:02", "text": "I've seen a tiger during diving." }, { "end_time": "4:08", "start_time": "4:04", "text": "And in Australia, there's these shark attacks that happen to surfers." }, { "end_time": "4:14", "start_time": "4:08", "text": "And it's a great white shark that are very often like chomps on a surfer that's out in in Western Australia." }, { "end_time": "4:16", "start_time": "4:14", "text": "Do my legs feel something as you say that?" }, { "end_time": "4:18", "start_time": "4:16", "text": "Like, I don't know, man." }, { "end_time": "4:20", "start_time": "4:18", "text": "I I I actually have a fear of sharks." }, { "end_time": "4:20", "start_time": "4:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:22", "start_time": "4:20", "text": "I mean, it's it's understandable." }, { "end_time": "4:22", "start_time": "4:22", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "4:25", "start_time": "4:22", "text": "Like, we are told, we see and and it's a reality." }, { "end_time": "4:27", "start_time": "4:25", "text": "You're in it's like a tiger." }, { "end_time": "4:29", "start_time": "4:27", "text": "Like, it's a apex predator." }, { "end_time": "4:31", "start_time": "4:29", "text": "It's not just megafauna." }, { "end_time": "4:33", "start_time": "4:31", "text": "It also eats everything that's out there." }, { "end_time": "4:36", "start_time": "4:34", "text": "It does cross ocean voyages." }, { "end_time": "4:44", "start_time": "4:36", "text": "It survives as a solitary animal, and it looks up and it sees a surfer paddling out, and it's like, oh, there's a seal out there." }, { "end_time": "4:45", "start_time": "4:44", "text": "And it goes and takes a chomp." }, { "end_time": "4:49", "start_time": "4:45", "text": "It happens to be such a big chomp that it takes half your leg away or your arm away." }, { "end_time": "4:53", "start_time": "4:49", "text": "But then in response to that, the public is like, we have to cull sharks." }, { "end_time": "4:58", "start_time": "4:53", "text": "So the government will send out boats, and they'll start killing sharks." }, { "end_time": "5:00", "start_time": "4:58", "text": "And most of the sharks that they kill are tiger sharks." }, { "end_time": "5:05", "start_time": "5:00", "text": "So actually, in Australia, I've seen a lot of dead tiger sharks because they get shot thinking they're great white sharks and come back." }, { "end_time": "5:07", "start_time": "5:05", "text": "How big are they, tiger sharks?" }, { "end_time": "5:09", "start_time": "5:07", "text": "They'd be about as wide as this room." }, { "end_time": "5:11", "start_time": "5:09", "text": "7 to 10 feet." }, { "end_time": "5:11", "start_time": "5:11", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "5:11", "start_time": "5:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:12", "start_time": "5:11", "text": "Diagonally across." }, { "end_time": "5:14", "start_time": "5:13", "text": "That's big, man." }, { "end_time": "5:14", "start_time": "5:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:14", "start_time": "5:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:15", "start_time": "5:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:16", "start_time": "5:15", "text": "They are big." }, { "end_time": "5:17", "start_time": "5:16", "text": "I think there's life at sea which is so much bigger." }, { "end_time": "5:18", "start_time": "5:17", "text": "Like a bus." }, { "end_time": "5:18", "start_time": "5:18", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "5:24", "start_time": "5:18", "text": "Like, if you were to walk out and see a bus just standing and it was a animal on land, you'd be like, my god." }, { "end_time": "5:25", "start_time": "5:24", "text": "This animal is big." }, { "end_time": "5:30", "start_time": "5:25", "text": "I think somehow at sea, because of the ecosystem being so big, they relationally get scaled down." }, { "end_time": "5:31", "start_time": "5:30", "text": "But that's a big animal." }, { "end_time": "5:32", "start_time": "5:31", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "5:33", "start_time": "5:32", "text": "Like a blue whale is immense." }, { "end_time": "5:37", "start_time": "5:33", "text": "Have you dived with you said you have dived with tiger sharks." }, { "end_time": "5:40", "start_time": "5:38", "text": "I've I've seen them on our dive in the Maldives." }, { "end_time": "5:44", "start_time": "5:40", "text": "What goes on in your head when you know what this animal is capable of?" }, { "end_time": "5:46", "start_time": "5:45", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "5:54", "start_time": "5:46", "text": "I mean, I have this naive belief and I think that naive belief is one day going to not be I'll look at it like I used to be naive, but at the moment, I'm still naive." }, { "end_time": "6:01", "start_time": "5:54", "text": "I feel like that sense that you spoke about the whales, I think there's a certain amount of respect that exists." }, { "end_time": "6:12", "start_time": "6:01", "text": "And I feel like if one conducts themselves with respect in almost like not physic of course, physically also, but also just like submitting to that animal's ecosystem." }, { "end_time": "6:13", "start_time": "6:12", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "6:16", "start_time": "6:13", "text": "Like, you are with a scuba tank in a mask for 30 minutes." }, { "end_time": "6:18", "start_time": "6:16", "text": "That animal is there for 30 years." }, { "end_time": "6:21", "start_time": "6:18", "text": "It's it's home or hunting grounds or whatever." }, { "end_time": "6:25", "start_time": "6:21", "text": "I feel like that sentiment is the safety barrier between that animal and me." }, { "end_time": "6:28", "start_time": "6:25", "text": "That's what I at least naively, like I said, tend to believe." }, { "end_time": "6:31", "start_time": "6:29", "text": "Because on that same dive, I had this other shark." }, { "end_time": "6:32", "start_time": "6:31", "text": "I forget which one it was." }, { "end_time": "6:36", "start_time": "6:32", "text": "But it came and bit the fin of 1 of the one of the divers." }, { "end_time": "6:40", "start_time": "6:36", "text": "And he just stood there and it bit its fin and he lost a chunk of the fin and then we continued diving." }, { "end_time": "6:41", "start_time": "6:40", "text": "You mean the flipper?" }, { "end_time": "6:42", "start_time": "6:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:42", "start_time": "6:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:43", "start_time": "6:42", "text": "The flipper." }, { "end_time": "6:43", "start_time": "6:43", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "6:44", "start_time": "6:43", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "6:46", "start_time": "6:44", "text": "And what what animal was this?" }, { "end_time": "6:47", "start_time": "6:46", "text": "It was a shark." }, { "end_time": "6:48", "start_time": "6:47", "text": "I forget which shark it was." }, { "end_time": "6:50", "start_time": "6:48", "text": "But it was a shark." }, { "end_time": "6:52", "start_time": "6:50", "text": "It was a predator shark that came and bit it." }, { "end_time": "6:58", "start_time": "6:52", "text": "So I feel like that's that that that's that's the safety barrier perhaps." }, { "end_time": "7:01", "start_time": "6:58", "text": "That you respect an animal and the animal respects you visiting it for a little bit." }, { "end_time": "7:02", "start_time": "7:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:06", "start_time": "7:02", "text": "Both tigers and sharks have these, like, little dead eyes, dude." }, { "end_time": "7:10", "start_time": "7:06", "text": "Like, it's I mean, I wanna say it's, like, full of emotion and dead at the same time." }, { "end_time": "7:11", "start_time": "7:10", "text": "Do you know what I'm talking about?" }, { "end_time": "7:14", "start_time": "7:11", "text": "Little dots in the middle of the eye messes you up." }, { "end_time": "7:19", "start_time": "7:14", "text": "Like, I remember about this referencing that same Bhopal, zoo I went to." }, { "end_time": "7:20", "start_time": "7:19", "text": "It's called Vanvehar." }, { "end_time": "7:23", "start_time": "7:20", "text": "So they say that the tiger they kept there is a man eater." }, { "end_time": "7:25", "start_time": "7:23", "text": "Like, so called man eater." }, { "end_time": "7:32", "start_time": "7:25", "text": "And, the moment you're near that cage, so they they've obviously kept in, like, this massive enclosure." }, { "end_time": "7:32", "start_time": "7:32", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "7:33", "start_time": "7:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:37", "start_time": "7:33", "text": "So you go through one we are and you see different open enclosures." }, { "end_time": "7:41", "start_time": "7:37", "text": "They've got one open enclosure for crocodiles, open enclosure for elephants." }, { "end_time": "7:43", "start_time": "7:41", "text": "And what I mean, open enclosure is a massive field." }, { "end_time": "7:46", "start_time": "7:44", "text": "Separated by like a water body." }, { "end_time": "7:49", "start_time": "7:46", "text": "They can't like, you know, reach you." }, { "end_time": "7:56", "start_time": "7:49", "text": "And, and at the edge of the water body, they have sort of a kind of not, not, not a cage, but like sort of a heightened, piece of land." }, { "end_time": "8:01", "start_time": "7:57", "text": "So as you're going through the park, you get to see crocs, you get to see, like, elephants." }, { "end_time": "8:04", "start_time": "8:02", "text": "Deal are free to roam in the park." }, { "end_time": "8:08", "start_time": "8:04", "text": "So as you're going on the road, you'll just see a deal, like, kind of sprint across." }, { "end_time": "8:12", "start_time": "8:09", "text": "But I remember that specific enclosure with the tiger." }, { "end_time": "8:19", "start_time": "8:12", "text": "So they stopped the vehicle, like, about maybe 30 feet away from the cage." }, { "end_time": "8:24", "start_time": "8:19", "text": "And even in that 30 feet radius, you feel some strange energy." }, { "end_time": "8:25", "start_time": "8:24", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "8:27", "start_time": "8:25", "text": "Like, I don't know what to describe it as, but I felt like it was strange energy." }, { "end_time": "8:28", "start_time": "8:27", "text": "And he said, okay." }, { "end_time": "8:30", "start_time": "8:28", "text": "We've reached the tiger enclosure." }, { "end_time": "8:35", "start_time": "8:30", "text": "And they tell you to stay quiet, which makes it even more eerie because everyone's quiet around." }, { "end_time": "8:39", "start_time": "8:35", "text": "And then you get off your vehicle, and as you go closer to the kid, you can feel more and more eeriness." }, { "end_time": "8:44", "start_time": "8:40", "text": "Because that animal is so massive and they've told you it's a man eater." }, { "end_time": "8:46", "start_time": "8:44", "text": "It just has a vibe that it spreads." }, { "end_time": "8:48", "start_time": "8:46", "text": "It's dominant energy that it spreads." }, { "end_time": "8:52", "start_time": "8:49", "text": "And then you go up and it's 2, 3 tigers are just in their cage chilling." }, { "end_time": "8:54", "start_time": "8:53", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "8:54", "start_time": "8:54", "text": "Vibing." }, { "end_time": "8:55", "start_time": "8:55", "text": "They're not chilling." }, { "end_time": "9:02", "start_time": "8:55", "text": "They're probably extremely sad that they're in a cage, but they're just there and that energy is taking over." }, { "end_time": "9:06", "start_time": "9:03", "text": "And I'm vlogging because I'm a YouTuber, and I'm talking to the camera." }, { "end_time": "9:09", "start_time": "9:06", "text": "I'm saying, oh, we've reached the tiger enclosure or whatever." }, { "end_time": "9:18", "start_time": "9:09", "text": "I go up near the cage, and the guy who kind of sits and, like, looks over the cage, he says don't go any closer because it can pounce at the cage." }, { "end_time": "9:22", "start_time": "9:18", "text": "And if even one of its nails hits you, you might have to get a rabies shot Right." }, { "end_time": "9:24", "start_time": "9:22", "text": "And a lot more than a rabies shot probably." }, { "end_time": "9:30", "start_time": "9:25", "text": "So the moment he said that, I shacked my pants a bit, and I put my phone down and I looked up at the tiger." }, { "end_time": "9:34", "start_time": "9:31", "text": "And I saw these 2, like, dead eyes just staring at me." }, { "end_time": "9:37", "start_time": "9:35", "text": "Then looked away for a bit." }, { "end_time": "9:41", "start_time": "9:37", "text": "I kept staring at it, then looked back at me to kind of see that, okay." }, { "end_time": "9:42", "start_time": "9:41", "text": "Is this guy still looking?" }, { "end_time": "9:50", "start_time": "9:43", "text": "But the second time it looked back at me, I felt like it scanned how I taste, how I smelled, what my thoughts are, everything." }, { "end_time": "9:52", "start_time": "9:50", "text": "And I couldn't maintain eye contact." }, { "end_time": "9:54", "start_time": "9:52", "text": "I just looked down out of respect and feel." }, { "end_time": "9:54", "start_time": "9:54", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "9:55", "start_time": "9:54", "text": "And it's behind the cage." }, { "end_time": "9:56", "start_time": "9:55", "text": "Cage." }, { "end_time": "9:56", "start_time": "9:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:57", "start_time": "9:56", "text": "It's not even in the wild." }, { "end_time": "10:03", "start_time": "9:58", "text": "And when you see photos of sharks, I feel like there's the same look in those sharks' eyes." }, { "end_time": "10:03", "start_time": "10:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:05", "start_time": "10:03", "text": "Just very eerie, man." }, { "end_time": "10:11", "start_time": "10:06", "text": "But the deal with sharks is you're in the open ocean where it's dark and blue and Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:12", "start_time": "10:11", "text": "Cold and dangerous." }, { "end_time": "10:15", "start_time": "10:13", "text": "And these animals just dominate that space." }, { "end_time": "10:18", "start_time": "10:15", "text": "I'm sure you feel that dominant eerie energy around them." }, { "end_time": "10:24", "start_time": "10:19", "text": "I mean, it's dominant in the sense that maybe they're not dominating, but one definitely submits to them." }, { "end_time": "10:29", "start_time": "10:24", "text": "And, we used to take these swim stops in the middle of the ocean and, of course, no cage." }, { "end_time": "10:32", "start_time": "10:29", "text": "So for most people, it's like, how deep is the water here?" }, { "end_time": "10:36", "start_time": "10:32", "text": "So we just stop the ship and we put out the life buoy and we'd say whoever wants to jump just jump off." }, { "end_time": "10:42", "start_time": "10:36", "text": "But know that there are sharks in the waters and big fish and all and nobody is really safe." }, { "end_time": "10:43", "start_time": "10:42", "text": "And people would jump off." }, { "end_time": "10:46", "start_time": "10:43", "text": "1 day jumping into water that is 3, 4 kilometers deep." }, { "end_time": "10:46", "start_time": "10:46", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "10:52", "start_time": "10:46", "text": "Like there's it's incredible to think that you're bobbing on the surface and there's 4 kilometres of ocean just under you." }, { "end_time": "10:56", "start_time": "10:53", "text": "But very often I speak to my friends and be like, why do we jump off?" }, { "end_time": "10:57", "start_time": "10:56", "text": "I used to jump off every time." }, { "end_time": "11:01", "start_time": "10:57", "text": "And I feel like a lot of people are like, I'll be okay if a shark takes me." }, { "end_time": "11:09", "start_time": "11:02", "text": "Like, I think it's not to say that I'm taking on death, but it's like, would that be such a bad thing that you jumped off in the middle of the ocean and you got bitten by a shark?" }, { "end_time": "11:13", "start_time": "11:10", "text": "It's so it's naive, and I I know it's probably foolhardy." }, { "end_time": "11:23", "start_time": "11:13", "text": "But in that moment, there's also something about that experience, which it's not you're not thinking about that, but you're like, if it happens, you know, we took the risk of entering its ecosystem." }, { "end_time": "11:25", "start_time": "11:23", "text": "It's not a bad animal." }, { "end_time": "11:29", "start_time": "11:25", "text": "It's just that we happen to be there and made a miscalculation about who I was." }, { "end_time": "11:29", "start_time": "11:29", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "11:32", "start_time": "11:29", "text": "And I think it'd be okay." }, { "end_time": "11:36", "start_time": "11:33", "text": "I mean, not for the others, but I think it'll be okay." }, { "end_time": "11:39", "start_time": "11:36", "text": "So messed up thought, dude, getting eaten underwater." }, { "end_time": "11:46", "start_time": "11:39", "text": "Because, you know, I've I've dived and what people don't understand about diving is what you can't hear underwater." }, { "end_time": "11:54", "start_time": "11:46", "text": "And that's that's what people find meditative about diving also that, oh, it's silence and, you know, it's where do you get to hear this kind of silence or not?" }, { "end_time": "11:54", "start_time": "11:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:56", "start_time": "11:54", "text": "But that's how they look at it." }, { "end_time": "11:58", "start_time": "11:56", "text": "How seasoned divers look at it." }, { "end_time": "12:02", "start_time": "11:58", "text": "If you're not familiar with diving and if you have a fovea of the ocean, that silence can get to you." }, { "end_time": "12:02", "start_time": "12:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:02", "start_time": "12:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:02", "start_time": "12:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:04", "start_time": "12:03", "text": "Where you can just hear your own tank." }, { "end_time": "12:10", "start_time": "12:04", "text": "Now imagine going through something, chomping off your leg in the middle of the water, and you only, you're able to feel the pain." }, { "end_time": "12:11", "start_time": "12:10", "text": "Imagine with someone in your group." }, { "end_time": "12:12", "start_time": "12:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:13", "start_time": "12:13", "text": "Rude question." }, { "end_time": "12:14", "start_time": "12:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:20", "start_time": "12:14", "text": "But have you ever come across Somali pirates or pirates from that part of the world?" }, { "end_time": "12:30", "start_time": "12:21", "text": "So this is really interesting and I I say it because I have really read up, not a lot, but a little bit into piracy in general or Somalian piracy." }, { "end_time": "12:35", "start_time": "12:31", "text": "When I started sailing in 2,001, that's the first time I took I joined a ship." }, { "end_time": "12:42", "start_time": "12:36", "text": "And I used to be on the ship that used to go from Antwerp, which is in Belgium, to, a small port in South Africa." }, { "end_time": "12:45", "start_time": "12:43", "text": "And we used to come around the Suez Canal and we used to come down." }, { "end_time": "12:50", "start_time": "12:46", "text": "We used to sail along the Somalian coast, like you could see Somalia's land." }, { "end_time": "12:55", "start_time": "12:50", "text": "And there used to be advisories that said that keep a lookout in the night." }, { "end_time": "12:59", "start_time": "12:55", "text": "So I was a trainee and there were other workers on the ship as well." }, { "end_time": "13:06", "start_time": "12:59", "text": "And we used to put these bulb lights across on the outside of the ship in the night, and we'd walk on the deck with a with a torch." }, { "end_time": "13:09", "start_time": "13:07", "text": "And it was like we are doing piracy watch." }, { "end_time": "13:21", "start_time": "13:09", "text": "By 2011, my first crossing with sea shepherd, the advisory was that you keep 1,000 nautical miles, which is about 1800 kilometers from the Somalian coast because piracy has exploded so much." }, { "end_time": "13:30", "start_time": "13:22", "text": "So it went in that 10 year period from being something that was petty thievery to being like guns and arms and to America even make a film about it." }, { "end_time": "13:31", "start_time": "13:30", "text": "They even use bazookas, I've heard." }, { "end_time": "13:32", "start_time": "13:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:32", "start_time": "13:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:33", "start_time": "13:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:35", "start_time": "13:33", "text": "Like, rocket launchers, bazookas." }, { "end_time": "13:35", "start_time": "13:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:37", "start_time": "13:36", "text": "Some they have some heavy machinery." }, { "end_time": "13:38", "start_time": "13:37", "text": "I don't know how." }, { "end_time": "13:39", "start_time": "13:38", "text": "They do." }, { "end_time": "13:47", "start_time": "13:39", "text": "I mean, Somalia has a history of gang wars, militia, funded civil wars, a lot of foreign intervention." }, { "end_time": "13:52", "start_time": "13:47", "text": "I don't know too much about that, but there are accounts of American intervention, etcetera, that have happened there as well." }, { "end_time": "14:01", "start_time": "13:52", "text": "But from what I know, there was a lot of dumping of nuclear waste that used to happen from, European countries into the waters of Somalia." }, { "end_time": "14:09", "start_time": "14:02", "text": "And there was also a lot of fishing that used to happen by foreign fishing fleets because Somalia was this poor country that couldn't do anything about controlling its waters." }, { "end_time": "14:20", "start_time": "14:09", "text": "And so a lot of people who went so one has to realize, and I think people should know, that it's not easy one day to suddenly become a pirate and be 1500 nautical miles out at sea." }, { "end_time": "14:27", "start_time": "14:20", "text": "Like, you have to be a very skilled seaman with years or generations of experience at sea to be able to undertake something like that." }, { "end_time": "14:31", "start_time": "14:27", "text": "Because these guys were going out in little skiffs, which is these thin boats with a single engine." }, { "end_time": "14:42", "start_time": "14:32", "text": "And they were surviving by catching fish, by cooking on the boats until a merchant vessel came by, then they would board it and take it to Mogadishu, which was their main capital port and all." }, { "end_time": "14:53", "start_time": "14:42", "text": "So it was these fishers and coastal people who largely were getting completely wiped out by the dumping of waste and overfishing, who went out with and of course there was American and European intervention." }, { "end_time": "14:55", "start_time": "14:53", "text": "A lot of military went out there, navy went out there." }, { "end_time": "15:10", "start_time": "14:55", "text": "But again, I know somebody who was a maritime lawyer in Somalia and he said, you do not know the amount of work that the local mosques and the local community leaders did to bring these boys back into the family and the community from being pirates out at sea." }, { "end_time": "15:17", "start_time": "15:10", "text": "So I feel like, of course, it was a huge problem and it became a huge problem because it was choking and really hitting the world's shipping trade." }, { "end_time": "15:20", "start_time": "15:17", "text": "And today's global economy is nothing without the shipping trade." }, { "end_time": "15:22", "start_time": "15:20", "text": "So insurance rates were going up." }, { "end_time": "15:28", "start_time": "15:23", "text": "Fishing vessel owners were shit scared that their vessel was going to be taken." }, { "end_time": "15:30", "start_time": "15:28", "text": "So they had armed guards on board." }, { "end_time": "15:31", "start_time": "15:30", "text": "The premiums would go up." }, { "end_time": "15:33", "start_time": "15:31", "text": "Crew premiums would grow up." }, { "end_time": "15:37", "start_time": "15:33", "text": "Everybody was like so it was costing a multibillion dollar industry 1,000,000." }, { "end_time": "15:40", "start_time": "15:38", "text": "And that's why the military stepped in." }, { "end_time": "15:41", "start_time": "15:40", "text": "The navy stepped in." }, { "end_time": "15:42", "start_time": "15:41", "text": "It's no longer where it was." }, { "end_time": "15:46", "start_time": "15:43", "text": "But I think we only hear one side of the story, which is the captain whatever." }, { "end_time": "15:48", "start_time": "15:47", "text": "Captain Phillips." }, { "end_time": "15:49", "start_time": "15:48", "text": "Captain Phillips story." }, { "end_time": "15:50", "start_time": "15:49", "text": "I was gonna say captain America." }, { "end_time": "15:51", "start_time": "15:50", "text": "Could be the captain America." }, { "end_time": "15:54", "start_time": "15:52", "text": "But we hear that side, but there's a lot else that has happened." }, { "end_time": "15:56", "start_time": "15:54", "text": "Why it happened and why it stopped." }, { "end_time": "15:58", "start_time": "15:57", "text": "And I think that's important." }, { "end_time": "16:00", "start_time": "15:58", "text": "But, yeah, that it used to be scary." }, { "end_time": "16:09", "start_time": "16:00", "text": "Like, literally, there'd be American helicopters and Chinese and Russian, like, joint patrols happening and the ships would be in a convoy just going." }, { "end_time": "16:12", "start_time": "16:10", "text": "And, you know, any skiff you'd see, you'd be like, is it a pirate?" }, { "end_time": "16:14", "start_time": "16:12", "text": "You would have to call the American warship." }, { "end_time": "16:15", "start_time": "16:14", "text": "They'd send a helicopter." }, { "end_time": "16:17", "start_time": "16:15", "text": "It would take around and it'd be safe." }, { "end_time": "16:23", "start_time": "16:17", "text": "WhatsApp videos of, like, people shooting dead fishing boats, like armed guns just like on ships and all." }, { "end_time": "16:30", "start_time": "16:23", "text": "Like, it became like this wild west kind of thing suddenly in the 20th century." }, { "end_time": "16:31", "start_time": "16:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:32", "start_time": "16:31", "text": "Have you seen any up close?" }, { "end_time": "16:34", "start_time": "16:33", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "16:35", "start_time": "16:34", "text": "I haven't seen pirates up close." }, { "end_time": "16:38", "start_time": "16:35", "text": "The thing is that they all look the same." }, { "end_time": "16:45", "start_time": "16:38", "text": "So it we view past many skiffs, but perhaps because you were in a convoy and the moment was not right that you didn't get attacked." }, { "end_time": "16:56", "start_time": "16:45", "text": "But in that period, if you're on the ship, I've heard maydays be maydays like when you're in trouble, you just make this call that there's been a piracy attack on a ship that's 20, 30, 50 nautical miles away." }, { "end_time": "16:59", "start_time": "16:56", "text": "So it's a it was a very real thing that happened for sure." }, { "end_time": "17:01", "start_time": "17:00", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "17:08", "start_time": "17:01", "text": "So you don't you don't kind of think of the life of people in the merchant navy, but there's all these unforeseen circumstances like this." }, { "end_time": "17:13", "start_time": "17:08", "text": "Are there even more unforeseen circumstances that happen out on sea, which you only know after you've gone out on sea that much?" }, { "end_time": "17:19", "start_time": "17:14", "text": "I mean, two examples which would be very pertinent right now in terms of COVID." }, { "end_time": "17:26", "start_time": "17:19", "text": "1 is COVID, of course, disrupted the entire economy, but it also disrupted movement." }, { "end_time": "17:32", "start_time": "17:26", "text": "And lots of crews on ships were stuck for the longest time without being able to come home." }, { "end_time": "17:39", "start_time": "17:32", "text": "Somebody's lost a parent or a wife or a child or a friend to COVID, and they just couldn't come home." }, { "end_time": "17:40", "start_time": "17:39", "text": "So people were stuck." }, { "end_time": "17:42", "start_time": "17:40", "text": "That was one of the big things that happened at crew members." }, { "end_time": "17:48", "start_time": "17:42", "text": "And the reason they're stuck is because you need a visa to be processed out of the foreign country onto a plane." }, { "end_time": "17:49", "start_time": "17:48", "text": "You can't afford it yourself." }, { "end_time": "17:50", "start_time": "17:49", "text": "You can't leave." }, { "end_time": "17:55", "start_time": "17:50", "text": "So a lot of people got stuck because it was too expensive for companies because from here, nobody wanted to go on board." }, { "end_time": "17:57", "start_time": "17:55", "text": "You couldn't bring people from there." }, { "end_time": "18:00", "start_time": "17:57", "text": "And the second thing is that a lot of companies went bust." }, { "end_time": "18:06", "start_time": "18:00", "text": "So, of course, big companies like Maersk and APL and all that we know about, and we see containers on our roads survived." }, { "end_time": "18:08", "start_time": "18:06", "text": "But a lot of small companies went bust." }, { "end_time": "18:12", "start_time": "18:08", "text": "So owners just started abandoning ships, and they just overnight nobody owned the ship." }, { "end_time": "18:14", "start_time": "18:12", "text": "So the ships ran out of food." }, { "end_time": "18:15", "start_time": "18:14", "text": "They ran out of water." }, { "end_time": "18:18", "start_time": "18:15", "text": "They were just on the mercy of some local church organizations, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "18:20", "start_time": "18:20", "text": "And so yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:26", "start_time": "18:20", "text": "So a lot I think the maritime domain, whether it's fishing or shipping, is a forgotten domain." }, { "end_time": "18:33", "start_time": "18:26", "text": "In the sense that once you're on a ship and away, it's not like you're in no man's land because a ship is flagged in Panama." }, { "end_time": "18:34", "start_time": "18:33", "text": "It's owned." }, { "end_time": "18:43", "start_time": "18:35", "text": "It's got so many jurisdictions that you're a transboundary citizen on a floating ship without really anybody controlling you." }, { "end_time": "18:45", "start_time": "18:43", "text": "You could be Panama's responsibility." }, { "end_time": "18:47", "start_time": "18:45", "text": "If you're Indian, you could be the Indian government's responsibility." }, { "end_time": "18:53", "start_time": "18:48", "text": "If you're passing through the Suez Canal, you could be Egypt's responsibility, but nobody takes responsibility." }, { "end_time": "18:59", "start_time": "18:53", "text": "So it becomes like this forgotten amongst overlapping mixed, control areas." }, { "end_time": "19:05", "start_time": "19:01", "text": "You know how I spoke about how virtual reality and megaphone has become a theme of the podcast?" }, { "end_time": "19:05", "start_time": "19:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:11", "start_time": "19:05", "text": "Another theme of the podcast is, things like the skullcap next to you, which is the occult." }, { "end_time": "19:13", "start_time": "19:11", "text": "Do you have an opinion on the occult?" }, { "end_time": "19:14", "start_time": "19:13", "text": "I don't actually." }, { "end_time": "19:15", "start_time": "19:14", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "19:18", "start_time": "19:15", "text": "I Have you had any occult experiences out in the ocean?" }, { "end_time": "19:22", "start_time": "19:21", "text": "Not really." }, { "end_time": "19:23", "start_time": "19:22", "text": "Maybe ghost ships." }, { "end_time": "19:28", "start_time": "19:24", "text": "Not ghost ships, but I've seen ghosts in the sense of, like, not real ghosts." }, { "end_time": "19:34", "start_time": "19:28", "text": "But I remember in 2,001 again, right, when I started sailing, I used to have to get up at 4 o'clock in the morning and take these fire rounds." }, { "end_time": "19:37", "start_time": "19:35", "text": "And the fire at 4 o'clock, everybody's sleeping." }, { "end_time": "19:41", "start_time": "19:37", "text": "It's just like one engineer who's in the engine room, the trainee cadet, and the watch officer." }, { "end_time": "19:44", "start_time": "19:41", "text": "It's 3 people awake and it's this big 200 meter long ship." }, { "end_time": "19:47", "start_time": "19:45", "text": "You have to walk and take this round." }, { "end_time": "19:51", "start_time": "19:47", "text": "And I remember just, like, walking into this darkness already scared, like, trying to see." }, { "end_time": "19:56", "start_time": "19:51", "text": "And then suddenly, I see these 2 people walking towards me, like, 100 meters away." }, { "end_time": "20:04", "start_time": "19:57", "text": "And I was like I ran into the corner and then I was like, if I go up, that chief officer will be like, yeah, this trainee cadet is useless." }, { "end_time": "20:05", "start_time": "20:04", "text": "He's scared and all." }, { "end_time": "20:06", "start_time": "20:05", "text": "So I have to do this around." }, { "end_time": "20:10", "start_time": "20:06", "text": "And then I looked again after 5 minutes, those people are there only moving." }, { "end_time": "20:11", "start_time": "20:10", "text": "I'm like, what is this?" }, { "end_time": "20:19", "start_time": "20:11", "text": "So I went up slowly slowly inching and then I realized it was 2 raincoats that were hanging with just a blower that was blowing." }, { "end_time": "20:23", "start_time": "20:19", "text": "And, you know, these occult stories because you hear about ghost ships and things like that, which is like Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:28", "start_time": "20:23", "text": "Maybe out there in the ocean when things are that dark, you feel it even more." }, { "end_time": "20:30", "start_time": "20:28", "text": "I mean, there's somebody called Ian Urban." }, { "end_time": "20:37", "start_time": "20:30", "text": "I don't know if you've heard about him, but he was an investigative journalist with the New York Times, and he did some other stories as well." }, { "end_time": "20:42", "start_time": "20:37", "text": "And he got a Pulitzer grant grant to do a series of stories which ran in the New York Times." }, { "end_time": "20:44", "start_time": "20:42", "text": "It's a series called the Outlaw Ocean." }, { "end_time": "20:46", "start_time": "20:44", "text": "And then he wrote a book as well." }, { "end_time": "20:47", "start_time": "20:46", "text": "And it's interesting." }, { "end_time": "20:49", "start_time": "20:47", "text": "Like, his research, it's on fishing boats." }, { "end_time": "20:51", "start_time": "20:49", "text": "It's on shipping vessels." }, { "end_time": "20:52", "start_time": "20:51", "text": "It's on oil rigs." }, { "end_time": "20:54", "start_time": "20:52", "text": "It's on abandoned marine islands." }, { "end_time": "20:57", "start_time": "20:55", "text": "It's on insurance crimes." }, { "end_time": "21:02", "start_time": "20:58", "text": "And it's a very interesting take on what all goes on out there." }, { "end_time": "21:02", "start_time": "21:02", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "21:04", "start_time": "21:02", "text": "Like, so much of it is there." }, { "end_time": "21:07", "start_time": "21:04", "text": "And the ocean has a reputation." }, { "end_time": "21:07", "start_time": "21:07", "text": "It's murky." }, { "end_time": "21:08", "start_time": "21:07", "text": "It's dark." }, { "end_time": "21:11", "start_time": "21:08", "text": "There are ghost ships just drifting completely abandoned." }, { "end_time": "21:16", "start_time": "21:11", "text": "Recently, one ship showed up in the UK filled with rats that have been out there for many years and just yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:18", "start_time": "21:16", "text": "So, like, things happen." }, { "end_time": "21:19", "start_time": "21:18", "text": "All kinds of things happen." }, { "end_time": "21:21", "start_time": "21:19", "text": "And the rats on the ship were multiplying." }, { "end_time": "21:22", "start_time": "21:21", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:24", "start_time": "21:22", "text": "What happened to the humans on the ship?" }, { "end_time": "21:25", "start_time": "21:24", "text": "Nobody knows." }, { "end_time": "21:26", "start_time": "21:25", "text": "I I didn't trace back the story." }, { "end_time": "21:29", "start_time": "21:26", "text": "I'm sure they found out, but the day it arrived, it was just rats." }, { "end_time": "21:29", "start_time": "21:29", "text": "What?" }, { "end_time": "21:32", "start_time": "21:31", "text": "That's crazy." }, { "end_time": "21:37", "start_time": "21:33", "text": "You know, you spoke about one second." }, { "end_time": "21:40", "start_time": "21:37", "text": "I lost my so I'm I'm too into this rat story." }, { "end_time": "21:41", "start_time": "21:40", "text": "Have you read some of his stuff?" }, { "end_time": "21:43", "start_time": "21:41", "text": "This investigative journalist?" }, { "end_time": "21:44", "start_time": "21:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:45", "start_time": "21:44", "text": "I mean, I met him." }, { "end_time": "21:48", "start_time": "21:45", "text": "He he wanted to come on my ship for covering one of the campaigns." }, { "end_time": "21:49", "start_time": "21:48", "text": "So we did this reconnaissance in the middle of the ocean where he came on a ship and then I came on a ship." }, { "end_time": "21:50", "start_time": "21:49", "text": "What is a reconnaissance?" }, { "end_time": "21:53", "start_time": "21:50", "text": "It's ocean where he came on a ship and then I came on a ship." }, { "end_time": "21:54", "start_time": "21:53", "text": "What is a reconnaissance?" }, { "end_time": "21:58", "start_time": "21:54", "text": "It's like we just met in the middle of the sea unofficially." }, { "end_time": "21:59", "start_time": "21:59", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "22:02", "start_time": "21:59", "text": "Just like in the sense that I'll come to x." }, { "end_time": "22:05", "start_time": "22:02", "text": "I'll come to so and so latitude, so and so longitude at so and so hours." }, { "end_time": "22:07", "start_time": "22:05", "text": "I'll wait there for 2 hours." }, { "end_time": "22:08", "start_time": "22:07", "text": "If you show up, you show up." }, { "end_time": "22:09", "start_time": "22:08", "text": "If not so that's a reconnaissance." }, { "end_time": "22:11", "start_time": "22:09", "text": "So then he's like, I'll be there." }, { "end_time": "22:13", "start_time": "22:11", "text": "And then once we missed each other, and I was like, I have to go." }, { "end_time": "22:14", "start_time": "22:13", "text": "Then he's like, no." }, { "end_time": "22:14", "start_time": "22:14", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "22:14", "start_time": "22:14", "text": "I'm coming." }, { "end_time": "22:16", "start_time": "22:14", "text": "So next week, again, we went." }, { "end_time": "22:17", "start_time": "22:16", "text": "Like an ocean Tinder date." }, { "end_time": "22:18", "start_time": "22:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:18", "start_time": "22:18", "text": "Kind of." }, { "end_time": "22:21", "start_time": "22:18", "text": "And when he came, he spent a little bit of time with us and all." }, { "end_time": "22:22", "start_time": "22:21", "text": "And then I met him in London." }, { "end_time": "22:25", "start_time": "22:22", "text": "He had come for his, book launch, so I was there with him as well." }, { "end_time": "22:25", "start_time": "22:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:27", "start_time": "22:25", "text": "Did he tell you anything crazy?" }, { "end_time": "22:30", "start_time": "22:27", "text": "Like, any of these ghost ship stories or any anything murky?" }, { "end_time": "22:39", "start_time": "22:31", "text": "I mean, so he did, but I also because I used to do a bit of work in Indonesia in the middle with labor supply chains and looking at worker conditions on boats." }, { "end_time": "22:46", "start_time": "22:39", "text": "And, like, there there's there's there's there's video evidence and photo evidence that very often just gets given to you." }, { "end_time": "22:57", "start_time": "22:46", "text": "And there was this one case that in 2015, I got given a USB stick to a friend of mine about just these, saying that somebody's died on board, and these are his photos." }, { "end_time": "23:07", "start_time": "22:57", "text": "And it was essentially a 3 month filming process of an Indonesian worker being slowly killed on board by his captain by physical torture." }, { "end_time": "23:08", "start_time": "23:08", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "23:17", "start_time": "23:09", "text": "Just he was a so there's there's a there's a theory that is that working at sea is so arduous that you have to maintain a control." }, { "end_time": "23:24", "start_time": "23:17", "text": "And violence on a couple of crew members one knew is a way for the captain to tell the others that this can be your fate as well." }, { "end_time": "23:27", "start_time": "23:25", "text": "So there's a lot of nasty stuff that happened." }, { "end_time": "23:33", "start_time": "23:27", "text": "And this guy essentially used to be prodded with an electric cattle prodder, given electric shocks, passed out." }, { "end_time": "23:36", "start_time": "23:33", "text": "His knees were capped off with a fishing knife." }, { "end_time": "23:36", "start_time": "23:36", "text": "God." }, { "end_time": "23:39", "start_time": "23:36", "text": "He was beaten and jumped on till he passed on." }, { "end_time": "23:40", "start_time": "23:39", "text": "He was thrown off a deck." }, { "end_time": "23:43", "start_time": "23:40", "text": "He ultimately died because his body couldn't take it." }, { "end_time": "23:45", "start_time": "23:43", "text": "So, you know, that's murky where you see a man who left." }, { "end_time": "23:48", "start_time": "23:45", "text": "I went to Indonesia and met his family and stuff like that as well." }, { "end_time": "23:49", "start_time": "23:49", "text": "So yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:51", "start_time": "23:49", "text": "I mean and this is very common." }, { "end_time": "23:55", "start_time": "23:51", "text": "There's the accidents that happened, but then there's deliberate killing of people that happens as well." }, { "end_time": "24:06", "start_time": "23:56", "text": "And it just happened that this guy's body was gonna be tossed into the ocean, but that fishing trip, another fisher had a fishing accident where the fishing hook caught him and he went overboard and he died." }, { "end_time": "24:11", "start_time": "24:06", "text": "And so it's considered that if he had come back with 2 crew members missing, it would have been too much and would have raised." }, { "end_time": "24:13", "start_time": "24:11", "text": "One crew member missing is okay." }, { "end_time": "24:15", "start_time": "24:13", "text": "Everybody turns a little bit of a blind eye." }, { "end_time": "24:18", "start_time": "24:16", "text": "So he said I have to bring this guy back." }, { "end_time": "24:24", "start_time": "24:18", "text": "So they packed his emaciated dead body into a body bag and put it in the fishing freezer and brought it to Taiwan." }, { "end_time": "24:28", "start_time": "24:25", "text": "Where one of the crew members was just like, what have I experienced?" }, { "end_time": "24:31", "start_time": "24:28", "text": "I've experienced torture of a new crew member for 3 months until he's died." }, { "end_time": "24:34", "start_time": "24:31", "text": "And the other one has just fallen overboard and I really went looking for him." }, { "end_time": "24:40", "start_time": "24:35", "text": "So he threw his sources, just sent out this USB stick because he had been filming it on his phone." }, { "end_time": "24:41", "start_time": "24:40", "text": "What the fuck?" }, { "end_time": "24:46", "start_time": "24:41", "text": "Fishing hooks in the head, bleeding everywhere, like, really, really dark and murky stuff." }, { "end_time": "24:49", "start_time": "24:47", "text": "Why didn't they go after that guy who fell off?" }, { "end_time": "24:55", "start_time": "24:50", "text": "Because their fishing gear was out and it would have meant cutting the fishing gear and turning the ship around." }, { "end_time": "24:58", "start_time": "24:55", "text": "And if you lose that fishing gear, as I said, fishing trips are 3, 4 years." }, { "end_time": "25:00", "start_time": "24:58", "text": "You don't carry that much extra gear." }, { "end_time": "25:04", "start_time": "25:00", "text": "So it would have meant wasting gear and having to actually save a man's life." }, { "end_time": "25:07", "start_time": "25:06", "text": "Morbid question." }, { "end_time": "25:07", "start_time": "25:07", "text": "But Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:10", "start_time": "25:07", "text": "When he's floating out there, how do you think he would have passed away?" }, { "end_time": "25:12", "start_time": "25:10", "text": "Just sort of hunger and thirst." }, { "end_time": "25:20", "start_time": "25:12", "text": "Because I've read that a lot of people who are lost out at sea, eventually, the theory says that they get eaten by reef sharks." }, { "end_time": "25:22", "start_time": "25:20", "text": "Like, that's one of the belief theories." }, { "end_time": "25:22", "start_time": "25:22", "text": "Do you think that's true?" }, { "end_time": "25:31", "start_time": "25:22", "text": "Like, if you're just out at sea Not by reef sharks because reef sharks will be around reef, but tigers tiger sharks, great white sharks, They eventually find nepos." }, { "end_time": "25:35", "start_time": "25:31", "text": "These are like if they're ships, they'd probably kill you." }, { "end_time": "25:36", "start_time": "25:35", "text": "Barracuda as well." }, { "end_time": "25:39", "start_time": "25:36", "text": "Like, they'd probably come and take a chomp off you." }, { "end_time": "25:39", "start_time": "25:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:45", "start_time": "25:41", "text": "But, yeah, most likely dehydration and tiredness." }, { "end_time": "25:49", "start_time": "25:46", "text": "Have you ever seen any dead bodies just floating around in the ocean on your toes?" }, { "end_time": "25:50", "start_time": "25:49", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "25:50", "start_time": "25:50", "text": "Not really." }, { "end_time": "25:53", "start_time": "25:51", "text": "But again, I've seen a lot of videos and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "25:54", "start_time": "25:53", "text": "Like, there's this video." }, { "end_time": "25:56", "start_time": "25:54", "text": "In fact, Ian went after this story." }, { "end_time": "25:57", "start_time": "25:56", "text": "Not not Ian." }, { "end_time": "26:08", "start_time": "25:57", "text": "Another investigative journalist went after this story where there was a Chinese fishing boat just shooting dead 4 Somalians in the water." }, { "end_time": "26:12", "start_time": "26:09", "text": "These Somalians were fishermen and they thought they were pirates." }, { "end_time": "26:18", "start_time": "26:12", "text": "So they just bought out this gun and it's captured on video where he's, like, taking potshots at them from the ship." }, { "end_time": "26:20", "start_time": "26:18", "text": "And because he's never fired a gun before, they don't kill in one shot." }, { "end_time": "26:25", "start_time": "26:20", "text": "So he shoots somebody's shoulder, then he shoots somebody's head, and everybody's, like, cheering him on." }, { "end_time": "26:26", "start_time": "26:25", "text": "And ultimately, all 4 are dead." }, { "end_time": "26:28", "start_time": "26:26", "text": "They're just exploding heads in the water." }, { "end_time": "26:30", "start_time": "26:28", "text": "So, like, there's a lot of murky stuff that happened." }, { "end_time": "26:32", "start_time": "26:30", "text": "And people tell these stories, like, they'll be like, yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:33", "start_time": "26:32", "text": "I met this friend." }, { "end_time": "26:36", "start_time": "26:33", "text": "His backbone was broken on the ship, so they chucked his body." }, { "end_time": "26:40", "start_time": "26:36", "text": "Somebody else will say, I went to join a ship in Pacific, but I was working off Somalia for 4 years." }, { "end_time": "26:44", "start_time": "26:40", "text": "I've killed pirates and stuff like that and just come home last week." }, { "end_time": "26:50", "start_time": "26:45", "text": "Like, there's wild stories that come out from human endurance at sea under working conditions." }, { "end_time": "26:52", "start_time": "26:50", "text": "Have you heard any alien stories?" }, { "end_time": "26:54", "start_time": "26:52", "text": "UFOs, things like that?" }, { "end_time": "26:55", "start_time": "26:54", "text": "I have." }, { "end_time": "26:57", "start_time": "26:55", "text": "Because that's another theme of this podcast." }, { "end_time": "27:00", "start_time": "26:57", "text": "In fact, when you were talking about a man eating tiger, I was thinking about the arrival." }, { "end_time": "27:01", "start_time": "27:00", "text": "Have you seen the arrival?" }, { "end_time": "27:01", "start_time": "27:01", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:01", "start_time": "27:01", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:02", "start_time": "27:01", "text": "We spoke about it." }, { "end_time": "27:07", "start_time": "27:02", "text": "I thought about it, like, when they go in for the first time and they're like, what are you with the birds and all?" }, { "end_time": "27:09", "start_time": "27:07", "text": "I felt like you were describing that scene." }, { "end_time": "27:10", "start_time": "27:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:11", "start_time": "27:11", "text": "Man." }, { "end_time": "27:13", "start_time": "27:12", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "27:20", "start_time": "27:13", "text": "I it's just like, you know, this is one of those episodes that I've been looking forward to since 2 years, but we've never had a chance to create." }, { "end_time": "27:22", "start_time": "27:20", "text": "So this is not the end of the podcast." }, { "end_time": "27:23", "start_time": "27:22", "text": "I have more questions." }, { "end_time": "27:25", "start_time": "27:25", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "27:26", "start_time": "27:25", "text": "I'm just How long are you been?" }, { "end_time": "27:27", "start_time": "27:26", "text": "I'm Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:28", "start_time": "27:27", "text": "It's 10 o'clock." }, { "end_time": "27:31", "start_time": "27:28", "text": "I'm appreciating a brother, an oceanic brother." }, { "end_time": "27:36", "start_time": "27:33", "text": "You know, maybe the last section, which is another theme of the show." }, { "end_time": "27:36", "start_time": "27:36", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "27:41", "start_time": "27:37", "text": "I think earlier on in the episode, we spoke about geopolitics of the ocean." }, { "end_time": "27:41", "start_time": "27:41", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "27:42", "start_time": "27:41", "text": "What's actually happening out there?" }, { "end_time": "27:44", "start_time": "27:42", "text": "And is that something that interests you?" }, { "end_time": "27:45", "start_time": "27:44", "text": "Do you study it?" }, { "end_time": "27:52", "start_time": "27:45", "text": "Like, is it something that you know, something about that you can share with the audience?" }, { "end_time": "28:02", "start_time": "27:52", "text": "So, in in the sense that I'm interested in geopolitics, but not maybe from a national security point of view where most geopolitic conversation comes in." }, { "end_time": "28:06", "start_time": "28:02", "text": "I'm interested in it from the point of view of what role fishing plays in geopolitics." }, { "end_time": "28:11", "start_time": "28:07", "text": "And it's very interesting because very often we think about fishing as just being fishing." }, { "end_time": "28:21", "start_time": "28:11", "text": "But when a fishing boat is out in the oceans, let's say it says an Indian fishing boat in the Indian Ocean, it's a part of India that is in the Indian Ocean." }, { "end_time": "28:27", "start_time": "28:21", "text": "And if there are a 1,000 fishing boats from India, there's a 1,000 pieces of India that are out in the Indian Ocean." }, { "end_time": "28:39", "start_time": "28:27", "text": "So geopolitically, it makes sense that something like fishing, which is primarily an economic activity, also becomes a way to exert, some amount of presence in the world's oceans." }, { "end_time": "28:39", "start_time": "28:39", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "28:42", "start_time": "28:40", "text": "So that's one thing." }, { "end_time": "28:46", "start_time": "28:42", "text": "The second thing is we are living in the age of what is now known as the blue economy or the ocean economy." }, { "end_time": "28:49", "start_time": "28:46", "text": "So we've had the green revolutions in agriculture." }, { "end_time": "28:51", "start_time": "28:49", "text": "We've had the mining extraction that's happened." }, { "end_time": "28:54", "start_time": "28:52", "text": "Now we are seeing something that's happening at sea." }, { "end_time": "28:57", "start_time": "28:54", "text": "So extractive activities are going out to sea." }, { "end_time": "28:59", "start_time": "28:58", "text": "There's a lot of ports that's happening." }, { "end_time": "29:02", "start_time": "28:59", "text": "There's a lot of shipping, etcetera, that's happening." }, { "end_time": "29:07", "start_time": "29:03", "text": "And alongside that, these investments need security." }, { "end_time": "29:14", "start_time": "29:08", "text": "And therefore, geopolitics is becoming a part than national security related to ocean investments in a big way." }, { "end_time": "29:16", "start_time": "29:14", "text": "And fishing vessels do become a part of that." }, { "end_time": "29:20", "start_time": "29:16", "text": "So for example, China has expanded immensely in the Indian Ocean." }, { "end_time": "29:32", "start_time": "29:21", "text": "But the Indian Ocean is a huge security concern for America in the sense that it's it's it's it's it's got the Persian Gulf, so the biggest oil routes of the world." }, { "end_time": "29:36", "start_time": "29:32", "text": "It's got the Suez Canal, which empties out into the Arabian Sea through the Red Sea." }, { "end_time": "29:38", "start_time": "29:36", "text": "So it's a big shipping route for them." }, { "end_time": "29:45", "start_time": "29:39", "text": "And then just extended Indian Ocean, the Malacca, and the Singapore Strait, where about 90% of all the trade passes through." }, { "end_time": "29:53", "start_time": "29:46", "text": "So what happens when China's dominance in this areas grows, it's geopolitical in the sense that America is not fishing back." }, { "end_time": "30:01", "start_time": "29:54", "text": "But what if Chinese boats have arms and can launch a militia kind of war against American bases." }, { "end_time": "30:02", "start_time": "30:01", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "30:06", "start_time": "30:02", "text": "So there's geopolitics in fishing that plays out like that, and it's not just fishing." }, { "end_time": "30:08", "start_time": "30:06", "text": "It's always linked with something." }, { "end_time": "30:13", "start_time": "30:08", "text": "And so when we look at Indian fishing that is expanding into the Indian Ocean, it's not just Indian fishing." }, { "end_time": "30:21", "start_time": "30:13", "text": "Of course, economically, it's claiming part of the ocean through the resource, but also that presence then adds and links up to all of these things." }, { "end_time": "30:23", "start_time": "30:21", "text": "So, that's one thing." }, { "end_time": "30:26", "start_time": "30:23", "text": "The other side of the geopolitics is that maritime borders are very recent." }, { "end_time": "30:40", "start_time": "30:28", "text": "Europe, as Europe has existed pretty much for a long time in the way it has, but maritime boundaries were only formed in the early eighties, and a lot of countries probably claimed them much later." }, { "end_time": "30:49", "start_time": "30:40", "text": "So for example, India's got a maritime boundary with Pakistan, with the Maldives, with Sri Lanka, with Bangladesh, and then with Thailand from Andaman and Nicobar." }, { "end_time": "30:51", "start_time": "30:49", "text": "That's 5 maritime boundaries." }, { "end_time": "30:53", "start_time": "30:52", "text": "Fish don't respect boundaries." }, { "end_time": "30:58", "start_time": "30:53", "text": "They just flow over, But resources can only be claimed if you have that territory." }, { "end_time": "31:07", "start_time": "30:59", "text": "So geopolitically, it's also contested whose waters are what, you know, where do minerals lie, where do whose fish if I capture them on this side of the line, they're mine." }, { "end_time": "31:09", "start_time": "31:07", "text": "If they capture them on that side." }, { "end_time": "31:13", "start_time": "31:09", "text": "So geopolitically, again, there's this fluid boundary of fishing, etcetera, that come in." }, { "end_time": "31:15", "start_time": "31:13", "text": "So I'm interested in those aspects of geopolitics." }, { "end_time": "31:19", "start_time": "31:16", "text": "You gave me 2 great podcast episodes today." }, { "end_time": "31:20", "start_time": "31:19", "text": "I'm going." }, { "end_time": "31:25", "start_time": "31:20", "text": "So that was part 2 of our special 2 part conversation with captain Sid Chakravarthy." }, { "end_time": "31:30", "start_time": "31:25", "text": "If you liked it, do share this podcast these podcasts as much as possible." }, { "end_time": "31:36", "start_time": "31:30", "text": "The podcast, I hope, will grow through conversations like this, people like this, experiences like this." }, { "end_time": "31:42", "start_time": "31:37", "text": "And, honestly, it's gonna grow when you guys share all these episodes on WhatsApp, on your social media." }, { "end_time": "31:44", "start_time": "31:42", "text": "So make sure you share TRS." }, { "end_time": "31:47", "start_time": "31:44", "text": "And make sure you follow TRS on Spotify." }, { "end_time": "31:53", "start_time": "31:47", "text": "The Spotify exclusive, which means that every episode is available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world." }, { "end_time": "31:59", "start_time": "31:54", "text": "And for now, what I will tell you is that I still hate the idea of scuba diving." }, { "end_time": "32:01", "start_time": "31:59", "text": "There's something about the oceans that just scares me immensely." }, { "end_time": "32:09", "start_time": "32:02", "text": "And while I got fascinated because of this conversation with captain Sid, I also got kind of scared about what's out there." }, { "end_time": "32:14", "start_time": "32:10", "text": "About the monsters with swim and about the monsters that board ships." }, { "end_time": "32:20", "start_time": "32:15", "text": "I hope that this is one of those conversations that stayed with you in the same way that it stayed with me." }, { "end_time": "32:27", "start_time": "32:20", "text": "Right after recording this, I went up to Sanjit, and I told him that, I think we've got a super hit podcast in our hands." }, { "end_time": "32:30", "start_time": "32:27", "text": "It was so good that we had to divide it into 2 parts." }, { "end_time": "32:36", "start_time": "32:30", "text": "So make sure you watch both the parts, and make sure you keep sharing episodes like this of the Runway show." }, { "end_time": "32:37", "start_time": "32:37", "text": "Thank you." } ] }

[ { "content": "**Task Description:** \nYou are provided with a YouTube video transcript in JSON format, where each entry is synchronized with its respective timestamp. This transcript contains the spoken text along with its start and end times. Your objective is to generate high-quality, chapter-wise segments that accurately represent key points or transitions within the video.\n\n**Transcript JSON Format:** \nThe transcript is formatted as a list of dictionaries, where each dictionary represents a spoken sentence, including its text and corresponding start and end times.\n\n**Example Transcript:** \n```json\n[\n {\n \"text\": \"The narrative in the public eye is that you left working with the Modi government because your opinions weren't heard.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:07\"\n },\n {\n \"text\": \"I want to know your side of the story.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:08\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:10\"\n },\n ...\n]\n```\n\n**Your Task:** \nUsing the given transcript, generate a JSON output that breaks down the video into meaningful chapters. Each chapter should encapsulate a key segment of the video and be accompanied by a concise, informative title that reflects the essence of that segment.\n\n**Chapter JSON Format:** \nThe output should follow this structure:\n```json\n{\n \"chapters\": [\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"title\": \"Introduction and Opening Remarks\"\n },\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:07\",\n \"title\": \"Discussing the Exit from Modi Government\"\n },\n ...\n ]\n}\n```\n\n**Requirements:** \n1. **Identify Key Segments:** Extract significant portions of the transcript that represent shifts in topic, important discussions, or transitions in conversation.\n2. **Craft Informative Titles:** Each chapter title should be clear, engaging, and directly related to the content covered in that segment.\n3. **Preserve Time Stamps:** Ensure that each chapter's `start_time` corresponds to the first instance of a key topic or segment in the transcript.\n4. **Conciseness is Key:** While titles should be descriptive, avoid making them overly lengthy. Aim for a balance between informativeness and brevity.", "role": "system" }, { "content": "{'transcripts': array([{'end_time': '0:10', 'start_time': '0:00', 'text': 'Sea monsters, geopolitics of the ocean, ghost ships, all these fantastic ocean based stories that you hear about in movies, in storybooks.'},\n {'end_time': '0:14', 'start_time': '0:11', 'text': \"Imagine a person who's actually experienced some of this stuff.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:18', 'start_time': '0:14', 'text': 'This is part 2 of our special conversation with captain Sid Chakravarthy.'},\n {'end_time': '0:23', 'start_time': '0:19', 'text': \"If you guys haven't checked out part 1, I encourage you to first check out part 1.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:27', 'start_time': '0:23', 'text': 'He spoke about his time in Antarctica, how he began this entire journey.'},\n {'end_time': '0:30', 'start_time': '0:27', 'text': 'And part 2 is an extension of part 1.'},\n {'end_time': '0:33', 'start_time': '0:30', 'text': \"But even if you've not checked out part 1, it's okay.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:37', 'start_time': '0:33', 'text': \"You'll still gain a lot of value and entertainment from this particular episode.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:39', 'start_time': '0:37', 'text': 'Make sure you follow the Renby Show on Spotify.'},\n {'end_time': '0:45', 'start_time': '0:39', 'text': \"We're a Spotify exclusive, which means that every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:52', 'start_time': '0:46', 'text': 'This is part 2 of this conversation about oceans with captain Sid Chakravarthy on the Ranveer Show.'},\n {'end_time': '1:10', 'start_time': '1:07', 'text': 'I think most of the stars by this point probably know megaphones.'},\n {'end_time': '1:18', 'start_time': '1:11', 'text': 'So between the time dinosaurs ruled the earth and human beings ruled the earth, there was this long phase where massive animals ruled the earth.'},\n {'end_time': '1:18', 'start_time': '1:18', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '1:24', 'start_time': '1:18', 'text': 'Which we see in the movies like ice age or 10000 BC, your saber tooth tigers, mammoths.'},\n {'end_time': '1:25', 'start_time': '1:24', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '1:31', 'start_time': '1:26', 'text': \"It's said that there are still some megafauna left, but they're probably not discovered.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:35', 'start_time': '1:31', 'text': \"Like, there's supposed to be a stegosaurus somewhere in, the jungles of the Congo.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:41', 'start_time': '1:36', 'text': \"They say that the ocean is probably the likeliest place where you'll find megafauna because their depths aren't explored.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:41', 'start_time': '1:41', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '1:45', 'start_time': '1:41', 'text': \"Because you've explored the oceans as much as you have, do you think that's that could be true?\"},\n {'end_time': '1:52', 'start_time': '1:45', 'text': 'Like, the colossal squid is one example or but could there be more stuff down there?'},\n {'end_time': '1:55', 'start_time': '1:52', 'text': \"As as as far as I know, and I'm not a marine biologist.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:55', 'start_time': '1:55', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '1:57', 'start_time': '1:55', 'text': \"Like, I've worked with marine biologists.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:02', 'start_time': '1:57', 'text': 'I feel like I mean, source of life is photosynthesis and light is needed.'},\n {'end_time': '2:05', 'start_time': '2:02', 'text': \"And the deeper we go down to the oceans, there's less of that.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:10', 'start_time': '2:05', 'text': \"But that's again to quantify that everybody thought that no life would exist at depths because of the darkness.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:15', 'start_time': '2:10', 'text': \"And now you're finding coral reefs growing in like sulfur vents somewhere in the bottom of the ocean.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:16', 'start_time': '2:15', 'text': \"So I think it's a question.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:21', 'start_time': '2:16', 'text': \"At the same time, of the coast of Greenland, you have a shark today that's about 360 years old.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:23', 'start_time': '2:21', 'text': \"It's called the basking shark.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:25', 'start_time': '2:23', 'text': \"It's the world's oldest living animal.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:27', 'start_time': '2:25', 'text': \"There's nothing else that's as old with it.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:28', 'start_time': '2:27', 'text': 'What what kind of shark is it?'},\n {'end_time': '2:32', 'start_time': '2:29', 'text': \"It's it's a very slow moving Greenland shark.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:36', 'start_time': '2:33', 'text': \"It it so sharks I mean, there's over a 100 species of sharks.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:36', 'start_time': '2:36', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '2:38', 'start_time': '2:36', 'text': \"Like, we see jaws and we're like, every shark is a killer.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:45', 'start_time': '2:38', 'text': \"But there's sharks the size of my palm to the whale shark, which is just like a filter feeder that has no teeth even.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:55', 'start_time': '2:45', 'text': \"So it's one of those filter feeding kind of benign sharks that lives in great depths, cold waters, slow moving 360 year old shark.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:00', 'start_time': '2:55', 'text': \"I guess it's encountered a lot of, like, mega fauna in its lifetime.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:01', 'start_time': '3:00', 'text': 'But I would think no.'},\n {'end_time': '3:09', 'start_time': '3:01', 'text': \"I think there's a lot of bigger interesting species that'll tell us about life, evolution, and how life adapts at different depths.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:14', 'start_time': '3:09', 'text': \"I'm not so confident that there's gonna be a big megafauna that comes to the depths from us.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:15', 'start_time': '3:14', 'text': 'No Megalodon.'},\n {'end_time': '3:16', 'start_time': '3:15', 'text': 'No Megalodon.'},\n {'end_time': '3:18', 'start_time': '3:16', 'text': \"I think we it's time has passed.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:19', 'start_time': '3:18', 'text': 'It definitely existed.'},\n {'end_time': '3:24', 'start_time': '3:21', 'text': \"But that but that's to say that we have megafauna with us right now.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:24', 'start_time': '3:24', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '3:26', 'start_time': '3:24', 'text': 'We might not have them in the near future.'},\n {'end_time': '3:28', 'start_time': '3:26', 'text': \"We've almost lost the blue whale.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:32', 'start_time': '3:28', 'text': \"We've got the orcas that are I mean, we we we don't really know them.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:35', 'start_time': '3:32', 'text': \"We've got great white sharks, which is a megafauna.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:37', 'start_time': '3:35', 'text': \"We've got toothfish, which is a megafauna.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:45', 'start_time': '3:37', 'text': \"We've got, like, animals within their little ecosystem, whether that's a reef, whether that's a wide open ocean, they exist out there.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:56', 'start_time': '3:45', 'text': \"And I think recognizing that we have mecha fauna right now is something that we'd really do good just recognizing that rather than saying we'll find 1 in the near future.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:58', 'start_time': '3:56', 'text': 'Have you come across a great white shark on your travels?'},\n {'end_time': '4:01', 'start_time': '3:59', 'text': 'Never a great white shark.'},\n {'end_time': '4:02', 'start_time': '4:01', 'text': 'But I a tiger.'},\n {'end_time': '4:02', 'start_time': '4:02', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '4:04', 'start_time': '4:02', 'text': \"I've seen a tiger during diving.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:08', 'start_time': '4:04', 'text': \"And in Australia, there's these shark attacks that happen to surfers.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:14', 'start_time': '4:08', 'text': \"And it's a great white shark that are very often like chomps on a surfer that's out in in Western Australia.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:16', 'start_time': '4:14', 'text': 'Do my legs feel something as you say that?'},\n {'end_time': '4:18', 'start_time': '4:16', 'text': \"Like, I don't know, man.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:20', 'start_time': '4:18', 'text': 'I I I actually have a fear of sharks.'},\n {'end_time': '4:20', 'start_time': '4:20', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '4:22', 'start_time': '4:20', 'text': \"I mean, it's it's understandable.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:22', 'start_time': '4:22', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '4:25', 'start_time': '4:22', 'text': \"Like, we are told, we see and and it's a reality.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:27', 'start_time': '4:25', 'text': \"You're in it's like a tiger.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:29', 'start_time': '4:27', 'text': \"Like, it's a apex predator.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:31', 'start_time': '4:29', 'text': \"It's not just megafauna.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:33', 'start_time': '4:31', 'text': \"It also eats everything that's out there.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:36', 'start_time': '4:34', 'text': 'It does cross ocean voyages.'},\n {'end_time': '4:44', 'start_time': '4:36', 'text': \"It survives as a solitary animal, and it looks up and it sees a surfer paddling out, and it's like, oh, there's a seal out there.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:45', 'start_time': '4:44', 'text': 'And it goes and takes a chomp.'},\n {'end_time': '4:49', 'start_time': '4:45', 'text': 'It happens to be such a big chomp that it takes half your leg away or your arm away.'},\n {'end_time': '4:53', 'start_time': '4:49', 'text': 'But then in response to that, the public is like, we have to cull sharks.'},\n {'end_time': '4:58', 'start_time': '4:53', 'text': \"So the government will send out boats, and they'll start killing sharks.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:00', 'start_time': '4:58', 'text': 'And most of the sharks that they kill are tiger sharks.'},\n {'end_time': '5:05', 'start_time': '5:00', 'text': \"So actually, in Australia, I've seen a lot of dead tiger sharks because they get shot thinking they're great white sharks and come back.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:07', 'start_time': '5:05', 'text': 'How big are they, tiger sharks?'},\n {'end_time': '5:09', 'start_time': '5:07', 'text': \"They'd be about as wide as this room.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:11', 'start_time': '5:09', 'text': '7 to 10 feet.'},\n {'end_time': '5:11', 'start_time': '5:11', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '5:11', 'start_time': '5:11', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '5:12', 'start_time': '5:11', 'text': 'Diagonally across.'},\n {'end_time': '5:14', 'start_time': '5:13', 'text': \"That's big, man.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:14', 'start_time': '5:14', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '5:14', 'start_time': '5:14', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '5:15', 'start_time': '5:14', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '5:16', 'start_time': '5:15', 'text': 'They are big.'},\n {'end_time': '5:17', 'start_time': '5:16', 'text': \"I think there's life at sea which is so much bigger.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:18', 'start_time': '5:17', 'text': 'Like a bus.'},\n {'end_time': '5:18', 'start_time': '5:18', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '5:24', 'start_time': '5:18', 'text': \"Like, if you were to walk out and see a bus just standing and it was a animal on land, you'd be like, my god.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:25', 'start_time': '5:24', 'text': 'This animal is big.'},\n {'end_time': '5:30', 'start_time': '5:25', 'text': 'I think somehow at sea, because of the ecosystem being so big, they relationally get scaled down.'},\n {'end_time': '5:31', 'start_time': '5:30', 'text': \"But that's a big animal.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:32', 'start_time': '5:31', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '5:33', 'start_time': '5:32', 'text': 'Like a blue whale is immense.'},\n {'end_time': '5:37', 'start_time': '5:33', 'text': 'Have you dived with you said you have dived with tiger sharks.'},\n {'end_time': '5:40', 'start_time': '5:38', 'text': \"I've I've seen them on our dive in the Maldives.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:44', 'start_time': '5:40', 'text': 'What goes on in your head when you know what this animal is capable of?'},\n {'end_time': '5:46', 'start_time': '5:45', 'text': \"I don't know.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:54', 'start_time': '5:46', 'text': \"I mean, I have this naive belief and I think that naive belief is one day going to not be I'll look at it like I used to be naive, but at the moment, I'm still naive.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:01', 'start_time': '5:54', 'text': \"I feel like that sense that you spoke about the whales, I think there's a certain amount of respect that exists.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:12', 'start_time': '6:01', 'text': \"And I feel like if one conducts themselves with respect in almost like not physic of course, physically also, but also just like submitting to that animal's ecosystem.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:13', 'start_time': '6:12', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '6:16', 'start_time': '6:13', 'text': 'Like, you are with a scuba tank in a mask for 30 minutes.'},\n {'end_time': '6:18', 'start_time': '6:16', 'text': 'That animal is there for 30 years.'},\n {'end_time': '6:21', 'start_time': '6:18', 'text': \"It's it's home or hunting grounds or whatever.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:25', 'start_time': '6:21', 'text': 'I feel like that sentiment is the safety barrier between that animal and me.'},\n {'end_time': '6:28', 'start_time': '6:25', 'text': \"That's what I at least naively, like I said, tend to believe.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:31', 'start_time': '6:29', 'text': 'Because on that same dive, I had this other shark.'},\n {'end_time': '6:32', 'start_time': '6:31', 'text': 'I forget which one it was.'},\n {'end_time': '6:36', 'start_time': '6:32', 'text': 'But it came and bit the fin of 1 of the one of the divers.'},\n {'end_time': '6:40', 'start_time': '6:36', 'text': 'And he just stood there and it bit its fin and he lost a chunk of the fin and then we continued diving.'},\n {'end_time': '6:41', 'start_time': '6:40', 'text': 'You mean the flipper?'},\n {'end_time': '6:42', 'start_time': '6:41', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '6:42', 'start_time': '6:42', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '6:43', 'start_time': '6:42', 'text': 'The flipper.'},\n {'end_time': '6:43', 'start_time': '6:43', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '6:44', 'start_time': '6:43', 'text': 'Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '6:46', 'start_time': '6:44', 'text': 'And what what animal was this?'},\n {'end_time': '6:47', 'start_time': '6:46', 'text': 'It was a shark.'},\n {'end_time': '6:48', 'start_time': '6:47', 'text': 'I forget which shark it was.'},\n {'end_time': '6:50', 'start_time': '6:48', 'text': 'But it was a shark.'},\n {'end_time': '6:52', 'start_time': '6:50', 'text': 'It was a predator shark that came and bit it.'},\n {'end_time': '6:58', 'start_time': '6:52', 'text': \"So I feel like that's that that that's that's the safety barrier perhaps.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:01', 'start_time': '6:58', 'text': 'That you respect an animal and the animal respects you visiting it for a little bit.'},\n {'end_time': '7:02', 'start_time': '7:02', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '7:06', 'start_time': '7:02', 'text': 'Both tigers and sharks have these, like, little dead eyes, dude.'},\n {'end_time': '7:10', 'start_time': '7:06', 'text': \"Like, it's I mean, I wanna say it's, like, full of emotion and dead at the same time.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:11', 'start_time': '7:10', 'text': \"Do you know what I'm talking about?\"},\n {'end_time': '7:14', 'start_time': '7:11', 'text': 'Little dots in the middle of the eye messes you up.'},\n {'end_time': '7:19', 'start_time': '7:14', 'text': 'Like, I remember about this referencing that same Bhopal, zoo I went to.'},\n {'end_time': '7:20', 'start_time': '7:19', 'text': \"It's called Vanvehar.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:23', 'start_time': '7:20', 'text': 'So they say that the tiger they kept there is a man eater.'},\n {'end_time': '7:25', 'start_time': '7:23', 'text': 'Like, so called man eater.'},\n {'end_time': '7:32', 'start_time': '7:25', 'text': \"And, the moment you're near that cage, so they they've obviously kept in, like, this massive enclosure.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:32', 'start_time': '7:32', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '7:33', 'start_time': '7:32', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '7:37', 'start_time': '7:33', 'text': 'So you go through one we are and you see different open enclosures.'},\n {'end_time': '7:41', 'start_time': '7:37', 'text': \"They've got one open enclosure for crocodiles, open enclosure for elephants.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:43', 'start_time': '7:41', 'text': 'And what I mean, open enclosure is a massive field.'},\n {'end_time': '7:46', 'start_time': '7:44', 'text': 'Separated by like a water body.'},\n {'end_time': '7:49', 'start_time': '7:46', 'text': \"They can't like, you know, reach you.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:56', 'start_time': '7:49', 'text': 'And, and at the edge of the water body, they have sort of a kind of not, not, not a cage, but like sort of a heightened, piece of land.'},\n {'end_time': '8:01', 'start_time': '7:57', 'text': \"So as you're going through the park, you get to see crocs, you get to see, like, elephants.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:04', 'start_time': '8:02', 'text': 'Deal are free to roam in the park.'},\n {'end_time': '8:08', 'start_time': '8:04', 'text': \"So as you're going on the road, you'll just see a deal, like, kind of sprint across.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:12', 'start_time': '8:09', 'text': 'But I remember that specific enclosure with the tiger.'},\n {'end_time': '8:19', 'start_time': '8:12', 'text': 'So they stopped the vehicle, like, about maybe 30 feet away from the cage.'},\n {'end_time': '8:24', 'start_time': '8:19', 'text': 'And even in that 30 feet radius, you feel some strange energy.'},\n {'end_time': '8:25', 'start_time': '8:24', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '8:27', 'start_time': '8:25', 'text': \"Like, I don't know what to describe it as, but I felt like it was strange energy.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:28', 'start_time': '8:27', 'text': 'And he said, okay.'},\n {'end_time': '8:30', 'start_time': '8:28', 'text': \"We've reached the tiger enclosure.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:35', 'start_time': '8:30', 'text': \"And they tell you to stay quiet, which makes it even more eerie because everyone's quiet around.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:39', 'start_time': '8:35', 'text': 'And then you get off your vehicle, and as you go closer to the kid, you can feel more and more eeriness.'},\n {'end_time': '8:44', 'start_time': '8:40', 'text': \"Because that animal is so massive and they've told you it's a man eater.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:46', 'start_time': '8:44', 'text': 'It just has a vibe that it spreads.'},\n {'end_time': '8:48', 'start_time': '8:46', 'text': \"It's dominant energy that it spreads.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:52', 'start_time': '8:49', 'text': \"And then you go up and it's 2, 3 tigers are just in their cage chilling.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:54', 'start_time': '8:53', 'text': 'Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '8:54', 'start_time': '8:54', 'text': 'Vibing.'},\n {'end_time': '8:55', 'start_time': '8:55', 'text': \"They're not chilling.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:02', 'start_time': '8:55', 'text': \"They're probably extremely sad that they're in a cage, but they're just there and that energy is taking over.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:06', 'start_time': '9:03', 'text': \"And I'm vlogging because I'm a YouTuber, and I'm talking to the camera.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:09', 'start_time': '9:06', 'text': \"I'm saying, oh, we've reached the tiger enclosure or whatever.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:18', 'start_time': '9:09', 'text': \"I go up near the cage, and the guy who kind of sits and, like, looks over the cage, he says don't go any closer because it can pounce at the cage.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:22', 'start_time': '9:18', 'text': 'And if even one of its nails hits you, you might have to get a rabies shot Right.'},\n {'end_time': '9:24', 'start_time': '9:22', 'text': 'And a lot more than a rabies shot probably.'},\n {'end_time': '9:30', 'start_time': '9:25', 'text': 'So the moment he said that, I shacked my pants a bit, and I put my phone down and I looked up at the tiger.'},\n {'end_time': '9:34', 'start_time': '9:31', 'text': 'And I saw these 2, like, dead eyes just staring at me.'},\n {'end_time': '9:37', 'start_time': '9:35', 'text': 'Then looked away for a bit.'},\n {'end_time': '9:41', 'start_time': '9:37', 'text': 'I kept staring at it, then looked back at me to kind of see that, okay.'},\n {'end_time': '9:42', 'start_time': '9:41', 'text': 'Is this guy still looking?'},\n {'end_time': '9:50', 'start_time': '9:43', 'text': 'But the second time it looked back at me, I felt like it scanned how I taste, how I smelled, what my thoughts are, everything.'},\n {'end_time': '9:52', 'start_time': '9:50', 'text': \"And I couldn't maintain eye contact.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:54', 'start_time': '9:52', 'text': 'I just looked down out of respect and feel.'},\n {'end_time': '9:54', 'start_time': '9:54', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '9:55', 'start_time': '9:54', 'text': \"And it's behind the cage.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:56', 'start_time': '9:55', 'text': 'Cage.'},\n {'end_time': '9:56', 'start_time': '9:56', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '9:57', 'start_time': '9:56', 'text': \"It's not even in the wild.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:03', 'start_time': '9:58', 'text': \"And when you see photos of sharks, I feel like there's the same look in those sharks' eyes.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:03', 'start_time': '10:03', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '10:05', 'start_time': '10:03', 'text': 'Just very eerie, man.'},\n {'end_time': '10:11', 'start_time': '10:06', 'text': \"But the deal with sharks is you're in the open ocean where it's dark and blue and Yeah.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:12', 'start_time': '10:11', 'text': 'Cold and dangerous.'},\n {'end_time': '10:15', 'start_time': '10:13', 'text': 'And these animals just dominate that space.'},\n {'end_time': '10:18', 'start_time': '10:15', 'text': \"I'm sure you feel that dominant eerie energy around them.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:24', 'start_time': '10:19', 'text': \"I mean, it's dominant in the sense that maybe they're not dominating, but one definitely submits to them.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:29', 'start_time': '10:24', 'text': 'And, we used to take these swim stops in the middle of the ocean and, of course, no cage.'},\n {'end_time': '10:32', 'start_time': '10:29', 'text': \"So for most people, it's like, how deep is the water here?\"},\n {'end_time': '10:36', 'start_time': '10:32', 'text': \"So we just stop the ship and we put out the life buoy and we'd say whoever wants to jump just jump off.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:42', 'start_time': '10:36', 'text': 'But know that there are sharks in the waters and big fish and all and nobody is really safe.'},\n {'end_time': '10:43', 'start_time': '10:42', 'text': 'And people would jump off.'},\n {'end_time': '10:46', 'start_time': '10:43', 'text': '1 day jumping into water that is 3, 4 kilometers deep.'},\n {'end_time': '10:46', 'start_time': '10:46', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '10:52', 'start_time': '10:46', 'text': \"Like there's it's incredible to think that you're bobbing on the surface and there's 4 kilometres of ocean just under you.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:56', 'start_time': '10:53', 'text': 'But very often I speak to my friends and be like, why do we jump off?'},\n {'end_time': '10:57', 'start_time': '10:56', 'text': 'I used to jump off every time.'},\n {'end_time': '11:01', 'start_time': '10:57', 'text': \"And I feel like a lot of people are like, I'll be okay if a shark takes me.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:09', 'start_time': '11:02', 'text': \"Like, I think it's not to say that I'm taking on death, but it's like, would that be such a bad thing that you jumped off in the middle of the ocean and you got bitten by a shark?\"},\n {'end_time': '11:13', 'start_time': '11:10', 'text': \"It's so it's naive, and I I know it's probably foolhardy.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:23', 'start_time': '11:13', 'text': \"But in that moment, there's also something about that experience, which it's not you're not thinking about that, but you're like, if it happens, you know, we took the risk of entering its ecosystem.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:25', 'start_time': '11:23', 'text': \"It's not a bad animal.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:29', 'start_time': '11:25', 'text': \"It's just that we happen to be there and made a miscalculation about who I was.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:29', 'start_time': '11:29', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '11:32', 'start_time': '11:29', 'text': \"And I think it'd be okay.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:36', 'start_time': '11:33', 'text': \"I mean, not for the others, but I think it'll be okay.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:39', 'start_time': '11:36', 'text': 'So messed up thought, dude, getting eaten underwater.'},\n {'end_time': '11:46', 'start_time': '11:39', 'text': \"Because, you know, I've I've dived and what people don't understand about diving is what you can't hear underwater.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:54', 'start_time': '11:46', 'text': \"And that's that's what people find meditative about diving also that, oh, it's silence and, you know, it's where do you get to hear this kind of silence or not?\"},\n {'end_time': '11:54', 'start_time': '11:54', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '11:56', 'start_time': '11:54', 'text': \"But that's how they look at it.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:58', 'start_time': '11:56', 'text': 'How seasoned divers look at it.'},\n {'end_time': '12:02', 'start_time': '11:58', 'text': \"If you're not familiar with diving and if you have a fovea of the ocean, that silence can get to you.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:02', 'start_time': '12:02', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '12:02', 'start_time': '12:02', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '12:02', 'start_time': '12:02', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '12:04', 'start_time': '12:03', 'text': 'Where you can just hear your own tank.'},\n {'end_time': '12:10', 'start_time': '12:04', 'text': \"Now imagine going through something, chomping off your leg in the middle of the water, and you only, you're able to feel the pain.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:11', 'start_time': '12:10', 'text': 'Imagine with someone in your group.'},\n {'end_time': '12:12', 'start_time': '12:12', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '12:13', 'start_time': '12:13', 'text': 'Rude question.'},\n {'end_time': '12:14', 'start_time': '12:13', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '12:20', 'start_time': '12:14', 'text': 'But have you ever come across Somali pirates or pirates from that part of the world?'},\n {'end_time': '12:30', 'start_time': '12:21', 'text': 'So this is really interesting and I I say it because I have really read up, not a lot, but a little bit into piracy in general or Somalian piracy.'},\n {'end_time': '12:35', 'start_time': '12:31', 'text': \"When I started sailing in 2,001, that's the first time I took I joined a ship.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:42', 'start_time': '12:36', 'text': 'And I used to be on the ship that used to go from Antwerp, which is in Belgium, to, a small port in South Africa.'},\n {'end_time': '12:45', 'start_time': '12:43', 'text': 'And we used to come around the Suez Canal and we used to come down.'},\n {'end_time': '12:50', 'start_time': '12:46', 'text': \"We used to sail along the Somalian coast, like you could see Somalia's land.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:55', 'start_time': '12:50', 'text': 'And there used to be advisories that said that keep a lookout in the night.'},\n {'end_time': '12:59', 'start_time': '12:55', 'text': 'So I was a trainee and there were other workers on the ship as well.'},\n {'end_time': '13:06', 'start_time': '12:59', 'text': \"And we used to put these bulb lights across on the outside of the ship in the night, and we'd walk on the deck with a with a torch.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:09', 'start_time': '13:07', 'text': 'And it was like we are doing piracy watch.'},\n {'end_time': '13:21', 'start_time': '13:09', 'text': 'By 2011, my first crossing with sea shepherd, the advisory was that you keep 1,000 nautical miles, which is about 1800 kilometers from the Somalian coast because piracy has exploded so much.'},\n {'end_time': '13:30', 'start_time': '13:22', 'text': 'So it went in that 10 year period from being something that was petty thievery to being like guns and arms and to America even make a film about it.'},\n {'end_time': '13:31', 'start_time': '13:30', 'text': \"They even use bazookas, I've heard.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:32', 'start_time': '13:32', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '13:32', 'start_time': '13:32', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '13:33', 'start_time': '13:32', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '13:35', 'start_time': '13:33', 'text': 'Like, rocket launchers, bazookas.'},\n {'end_time': '13:35', 'start_time': '13:35', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '13:37', 'start_time': '13:36', 'text': 'Some they have some heavy machinery.'},\n {'end_time': '13:38', 'start_time': '13:37', 'text': \"I don't know how.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:39', 'start_time': '13:38', 'text': 'They do.'},\n {'end_time': '13:47', 'start_time': '13:39', 'text': 'I mean, Somalia has a history of gang wars, militia, funded civil wars, a lot of foreign intervention.'},\n {'end_time': '13:52', 'start_time': '13:47', 'text': \"I don't know too much about that, but there are accounts of American intervention, etcetera, that have happened there as well.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:01', 'start_time': '13:52', 'text': 'But from what I know, there was a lot of dumping of nuclear waste that used to happen from, European countries into the waters of Somalia.'},\n {'end_time': '14:09', 'start_time': '14:02', 'text': \"And there was also a lot of fishing that used to happen by foreign fishing fleets because Somalia was this poor country that couldn't do anything about controlling its waters.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:20', 'start_time': '14:09', 'text': \"And so a lot of people who went so one has to realize, and I think people should know, that it's not easy one day to suddenly become a pirate and be 1500 nautical miles out at sea.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:27', 'start_time': '14:20', 'text': 'Like, you have to be a very skilled seaman with years or generations of experience at sea to be able to undertake something like that.'},\n {'end_time': '14:31', 'start_time': '14:27', 'text': 'Because these guys were going out in little skiffs, which is these thin boats with a single engine.'},\n {'end_time': '14:42', 'start_time': '14:32', 'text': 'And they were surviving by catching fish, by cooking on the boats until a merchant vessel came by, then they would board it and take it to Mogadishu, which was their main capital port and all.'},\n {'end_time': '14:53', 'start_time': '14:42', 'text': 'So it was these fishers and coastal people who largely were getting completely wiped out by the dumping of waste and overfishing, who went out with and of course there was American and European intervention.'},\n {'end_time': '14:55', 'start_time': '14:53', 'text': 'A lot of military went out there, navy went out there.'},\n {'end_time': '15:10', 'start_time': '14:55', 'text': 'But again, I know somebody who was a maritime lawyer in Somalia and he said, you do not know the amount of work that the local mosques and the local community leaders did to bring these boys back into the family and the community from being pirates out at sea.'},\n {'end_time': '15:17', 'start_time': '15:10', 'text': \"So I feel like, of course, it was a huge problem and it became a huge problem because it was choking and really hitting the world's shipping trade.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:20', 'start_time': '15:17', 'text': \"And today's global economy is nothing without the shipping trade.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:22', 'start_time': '15:20', 'text': 'So insurance rates were going up.'},\n {'end_time': '15:28', 'start_time': '15:23', 'text': 'Fishing vessel owners were shit scared that their vessel was going to be taken.'},\n {'end_time': '15:30', 'start_time': '15:28', 'text': 'So they had armed guards on board.'},\n {'end_time': '15:31', 'start_time': '15:30', 'text': 'The premiums would go up.'},\n {'end_time': '15:33', 'start_time': '15:31', 'text': 'Crew premiums would grow up.'},\n {'end_time': '15:37', 'start_time': '15:33', 'text': 'Everybody was like so it was costing a multibillion dollar industry 1,000,000.'},\n {'end_time': '15:40', 'start_time': '15:38', 'text': \"And that's why the military stepped in.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:41', 'start_time': '15:40', 'text': 'The navy stepped in.'},\n {'end_time': '15:42', 'start_time': '15:41', 'text': \"It's no longer where it was.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:46', 'start_time': '15:43', 'text': 'But I think we only hear one side of the story, which is the captain whatever.'},\n {'end_time': '15:48', 'start_time': '15:47', 'text': 'Captain Phillips.'},\n {'end_time': '15:49', 'start_time': '15:48', 'text': 'Captain Phillips story.'},\n {'end_time': '15:50', 'start_time': '15:49', 'text': 'I was gonna say captain America.'},\n {'end_time': '15:51', 'start_time': '15:50', 'text': 'Could be the captain America.'},\n {'end_time': '15:54', 'start_time': '15:52', 'text': \"But we hear that side, but there's a lot else that has happened.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:56', 'start_time': '15:54', 'text': 'Why it happened and why it stopped.'},\n {'end_time': '15:58', 'start_time': '15:57', 'text': \"And I think that's important.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:00', 'start_time': '15:58', 'text': 'But, yeah, that it used to be scary.'},\n {'end_time': '16:09', 'start_time': '16:00', 'text': \"Like, literally, there'd be American helicopters and Chinese and Russian, like, joint patrols happening and the ships would be in a convoy just going.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:12', 'start_time': '16:10', 'text': \"And, you know, any skiff you'd see, you'd be like, is it a pirate?\"},\n {'end_time': '16:14', 'start_time': '16:12', 'text': 'You would have to call the American warship.'},\n {'end_time': '16:15', 'start_time': '16:14', 'text': \"They'd send a helicopter.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:17', 'start_time': '16:15', 'text': \"It would take around and it'd be safe.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:23', 'start_time': '16:17', 'text': 'WhatsApp videos of, like, people shooting dead fishing boats, like armed guns just like on ships and all.'},\n {'end_time': '16:30', 'start_time': '16:23', 'text': 'Like, it became like this wild west kind of thing suddenly in the 20th century.'},\n {'end_time': '16:31', 'start_time': '16:30', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '16:32', 'start_time': '16:31', 'text': 'Have you seen any up close?'},\n {'end_time': '16:34', 'start_time': '16:33', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '16:35', 'start_time': '16:34', 'text': \"I haven't seen pirates up close.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:38', 'start_time': '16:35', 'text': 'The thing is that they all look the same.'},\n {'end_time': '16:45', 'start_time': '16:38', 'text': \"So it we view past many skiffs, but perhaps because you were in a convoy and the moment was not right that you didn't get attacked.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:56', 'start_time': '16:45', 'text': \"But in that period, if you're on the ship, I've heard maydays be maydays like when you're in trouble, you just make this call that there's been a piracy attack on a ship that's 20, 30, 50 nautical miles away.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:59', 'start_time': '16:56', 'text': \"So it's a it was a very real thing that happened for sure.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:01', 'start_time': '17:00', 'text': 'Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '17:08', 'start_time': '17:01', 'text': \"So you don't you don't kind of think of the life of people in the merchant navy, but there's all these unforeseen circumstances like this.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:13', 'start_time': '17:08', 'text': \"Are there even more unforeseen circumstances that happen out on sea, which you only know after you've gone out on sea that much?\"},\n {'end_time': '17:19', 'start_time': '17:14', 'text': 'I mean, two examples which would be very pertinent right now in terms of COVID.'},\n {'end_time': '17:26', 'start_time': '17:19', 'text': '1 is COVID, of course, disrupted the entire economy, but it also disrupted movement.'},\n {'end_time': '17:32', 'start_time': '17:26', 'text': 'And lots of crews on ships were stuck for the longest time without being able to come home.'},\n {'end_time': '17:39', 'start_time': '17:32', 'text': \"Somebody's lost a parent or a wife or a child or a friend to COVID, and they just couldn't come home.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:40', 'start_time': '17:39', 'text': 'So people were stuck.'},\n {'end_time': '17:42', 'start_time': '17:40', 'text': 'That was one of the big things that happened at crew members.'},\n {'end_time': '17:48', 'start_time': '17:42', 'text': \"And the reason they're stuck is because you need a visa to be processed out of the foreign country onto a plane.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:49', 'start_time': '17:48', 'text': \"You can't afford it yourself.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:50', 'start_time': '17:49', 'text': \"You can't leave.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:55', 'start_time': '17:50', 'text': 'So a lot of people got stuck because it was too expensive for companies because from here, nobody wanted to go on board.'},\n {'end_time': '17:57', 'start_time': '17:55', 'text': \"You couldn't bring people from there.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:00', 'start_time': '17:57', 'text': 'And the second thing is that a lot of companies went bust.'},\n {'end_time': '18:06', 'start_time': '18:00', 'text': 'So, of course, big companies like Maersk and APL and all that we know about, and we see containers on our roads survived.'},\n {'end_time': '18:08', 'start_time': '18:06', 'text': 'But a lot of small companies went bust.'},\n {'end_time': '18:12', 'start_time': '18:08', 'text': 'So owners just started abandoning ships, and they just overnight nobody owned the ship.'},\n {'end_time': '18:14', 'start_time': '18:12', 'text': 'So the ships ran out of food.'},\n {'end_time': '18:15', 'start_time': '18:14', 'text': 'They ran out of water.'},\n {'end_time': '18:18', 'start_time': '18:15', 'text': 'They were just on the mercy of some local church organizations, etcetera.'},\n {'end_time': '18:20', 'start_time': '18:20', 'text': 'And so yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '18:26', 'start_time': '18:20', 'text': \"So a lot I think the maritime domain, whether it's fishing or shipping, is a forgotten domain.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:33', 'start_time': '18:26', 'text': \"In the sense that once you're on a ship and away, it's not like you're in no man's land because a ship is flagged in Panama.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:34', 'start_time': '18:33', 'text': \"It's owned.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:43', 'start_time': '18:35', 'text': \"It's got so many jurisdictions that you're a transboundary citizen on a floating ship without really anybody controlling you.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:45', 'start_time': '18:43', 'text': \"You could be Panama's responsibility.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:47', 'start_time': '18:45', 'text': \"If you're Indian, you could be the Indian government's responsibility.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:53', 'start_time': '18:48', 'text': \"If you're passing through the Suez Canal, you could be Egypt's responsibility, but nobody takes responsibility.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:59', 'start_time': '18:53', 'text': 'So it becomes like this forgotten amongst overlapping mixed, control areas.'},\n {'end_time': '19:05', 'start_time': '19:01', 'text': 'You know how I spoke about how virtual reality and megaphone has become a theme of the podcast?'},\n {'end_time': '19:05', 'start_time': '19:05', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '19:11', 'start_time': '19:05', 'text': 'Another theme of the podcast is, things like the skullcap next to you, which is the occult.'},\n {'end_time': '19:13', 'start_time': '19:11', 'text': 'Do you have an opinion on the occult?'},\n {'end_time': '19:14', 'start_time': '19:13', 'text': \"I don't actually.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:15', 'start_time': '19:14', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '19:18', 'start_time': '19:15', 'text': 'I Have you had any occult experiences out in the ocean?'},\n {'end_time': '19:22', 'start_time': '19:21', 'text': 'Not really.'},\n {'end_time': '19:23', 'start_time': '19:22', 'text': 'Maybe ghost ships.'},\n {'end_time': '19:28', 'start_time': '19:24', 'text': \"Not ghost ships, but I've seen ghosts in the sense of, like, not real ghosts.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:34', 'start_time': '19:28', 'text': \"But I remember in 2,001 again, right, when I started sailing, I used to have to get up at 4 o'clock in the morning and take these fire rounds.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:37', 'start_time': '19:35', 'text': \"And the fire at 4 o'clock, everybody's sleeping.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:41', 'start_time': '19:37', 'text': \"It's just like one engineer who's in the engine room, the trainee cadet, and the watch officer.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:44', 'start_time': '19:41', 'text': \"It's 3 people awake and it's this big 200 meter long ship.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:47', 'start_time': '19:45', 'text': 'You have to walk and take this round.'},\n {'end_time': '19:51', 'start_time': '19:47', 'text': 'And I remember just, like, walking into this darkness already scared, like, trying to see.'},\n {'end_time': '19:56', 'start_time': '19:51', 'text': 'And then suddenly, I see these 2 people walking towards me, like, 100 meters away.'},\n {'end_time': '20:04', 'start_time': '19:57', 'text': 'And I was like I ran into the corner and then I was like, if I go up, that chief officer will be like, yeah, this trainee cadet is useless.'},\n {'end_time': '20:05', 'start_time': '20:04', 'text': \"He's scared and all.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:06', 'start_time': '20:05', 'text': 'So I have to do this around.'},\n {'end_time': '20:10', 'start_time': '20:06', 'text': 'And then I looked again after 5 minutes, those people are there only moving.'},\n {'end_time': '20:11', 'start_time': '20:10', 'text': \"I'm like, what is this?\"},\n {'end_time': '20:19', 'start_time': '20:11', 'text': 'So I went up slowly slowly inching and then I realized it was 2 raincoats that were hanging with just a blower that was blowing.'},\n {'end_time': '20:23', 'start_time': '20:19', 'text': 'And, you know, these occult stories because you hear about ghost ships and things like that, which is like Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '20:28', 'start_time': '20:23', 'text': 'Maybe out there in the ocean when things are that dark, you feel it even more.'},\n {'end_time': '20:30', 'start_time': '20:28', 'text': \"I mean, there's somebody called Ian Urban.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:37', 'start_time': '20:30', 'text': \"I don't know if you've heard about him, but he was an investigative journalist with the New York Times, and he did some other stories as well.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:42', 'start_time': '20:37', 'text': 'And he got a Pulitzer grant grant to do a series of stories which ran in the New York Times.'},\n {'end_time': '20:44', 'start_time': '20:42', 'text': \"It's a series called the Outlaw Ocean.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:46', 'start_time': '20:44', 'text': 'And then he wrote a book as well.'},\n {'end_time': '20:47', 'start_time': '20:46', 'text': \"And it's interesting.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:49', 'start_time': '20:47', 'text': \"Like, his research, it's on fishing boats.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:51', 'start_time': '20:49', 'text': \"It's on shipping vessels.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:52', 'start_time': '20:51', 'text': \"It's on oil rigs.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:54', 'start_time': '20:52', 'text': \"It's on abandoned marine islands.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:57', 'start_time': '20:55', 'text': \"It's on insurance crimes.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:02', 'start_time': '20:58', 'text': \"And it's a very interesting take on what all goes on out there.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:02', 'start_time': '21:02', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '21:04', 'start_time': '21:02', 'text': 'Like, so much of it is there.'},\n {'end_time': '21:07', 'start_time': '21:04', 'text': 'And the ocean has a reputation.'},\n {'end_time': '21:07', 'start_time': '21:07', 'text': \"It's murky.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:08', 'start_time': '21:07', 'text': \"It's dark.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:11', 'start_time': '21:08', 'text': 'There are ghost ships just drifting completely abandoned.'},\n {'end_time': '21:16', 'start_time': '21:11', 'text': 'Recently, one ship showed up in the UK filled with rats that have been out there for many years and just yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '21:18', 'start_time': '21:16', 'text': 'So, like, things happen.'},\n {'end_time': '21:19', 'start_time': '21:18', 'text': 'All kinds of things happen.'},\n {'end_time': '21:21', 'start_time': '21:19', 'text': 'And the rats on the ship were multiplying.'},\n {'end_time': '21:22', 'start_time': '21:21', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '21:24', 'start_time': '21:22', 'text': 'What happened to the humans on the ship?'},\n {'end_time': '21:25', 'start_time': '21:24', 'text': 'Nobody knows.'},\n {'end_time': '21:26', 'start_time': '21:25', 'text': \"I I didn't trace back the story.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:29', 'start_time': '21:26', 'text': \"I'm sure they found out, but the day it arrived, it was just rats.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:29', 'start_time': '21:29', 'text': 'What?'},\n {'end_time': '21:32', 'start_time': '21:31', 'text': \"That's crazy.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:37', 'start_time': '21:33', 'text': 'You know, you spoke about one second.'},\n {'end_time': '21:40', 'start_time': '21:37', 'text': \"I lost my so I'm I'm too into this rat story.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:41', 'start_time': '21:40', 'text': 'Have you read some of his stuff?'},\n {'end_time': '21:43', 'start_time': '21:41', 'text': 'This investigative journalist?'},\n {'end_time': '21:44', 'start_time': '21:44', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '21:45', 'start_time': '21:44', 'text': 'I mean, I met him.'},\n {'end_time': '21:48', 'start_time': '21:45', 'text': 'He he wanted to come on my ship for covering one of the campaigns.'},\n {'end_time': '21:49', 'start_time': '21:48', 'text': 'So we did this reconnaissance in the middle of the ocean where he came on a ship and then I came on a ship.'},\n {'end_time': '21:50', 'start_time': '21:49', 'text': 'What is a reconnaissance?'},\n {'end_time': '21:53', 'start_time': '21:50', 'text': \"It's ocean where he came on a ship and then I came on a ship.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:54', 'start_time': '21:53', 'text': 'What is a reconnaissance?'},\n {'end_time': '21:58', 'start_time': '21:54', 'text': \"It's like we just met in the middle of the sea unofficially.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:59', 'start_time': '21:59', 'text': 'Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '22:02', 'start_time': '21:59', 'text': \"Just like in the sense that I'll come to x.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:05', 'start_time': '22:02', 'text': \"I'll come to so and so latitude, so and so longitude at so and so hours.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:07', 'start_time': '22:05', 'text': \"I'll wait there for 2 hours.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:08', 'start_time': '22:07', 'text': 'If you show up, you show up.'},\n {'end_time': '22:09', 'start_time': '22:08', 'text': \"If not so that's a reconnaissance.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:11', 'start_time': '22:09', 'text': \"So then he's like, I'll be there.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:13', 'start_time': '22:11', 'text': 'And then once we missed each other, and I was like, I have to go.'},\n {'end_time': '22:14', 'start_time': '22:13', 'text': \"Then he's like, no.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:14', 'start_time': '22:14', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '22:14', 'start_time': '22:14', 'text': \"I'm coming.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:16', 'start_time': '22:14', 'text': 'So next week, again, we went.'},\n {'end_time': '22:17', 'start_time': '22:16', 'text': 'Like an ocean Tinder date.'},\n {'end_time': '22:18', 'start_time': '22:17', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '22:18', 'start_time': '22:18', 'text': 'Kind of.'},\n {'end_time': '22:21', 'start_time': '22:18', 'text': 'And when he came, he spent a little bit of time with us and all.'},\n {'end_time': '22:22', 'start_time': '22:21', 'text': 'And then I met him in London.'},\n {'end_time': '22:25', 'start_time': '22:22', 'text': 'He had come for his, book launch, so I was there with him as well.'},\n {'end_time': '22:25', 'start_time': '22:25', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '22:27', 'start_time': '22:25', 'text': 'Did he tell you anything crazy?'},\n {'end_time': '22:30', 'start_time': '22:27', 'text': 'Like, any of these ghost ship stories or any anything murky?'},\n {'end_time': '22:39', 'start_time': '22:31', 'text': 'I mean, so he did, but I also because I used to do a bit of work in Indonesia in the middle with labor supply chains and looking at worker conditions on boats.'},\n {'end_time': '22:46', 'start_time': '22:39', 'text': \"And, like, there there's there's there's there's video evidence and photo evidence that very often just gets given to you.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:57', 'start_time': '22:46', 'text': \"And there was this one case that in 2015, I got given a USB stick to a friend of mine about just these, saying that somebody's died on board, and these are his photos.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:07', 'start_time': '22:57', 'text': 'And it was essentially a 3 month filming process of an Indonesian worker being slowly killed on board by his captain by physical torture.'},\n {'end_time': '23:08', 'start_time': '23:08', 'text': 'Why?'},\n {'end_time': '23:17', 'start_time': '23:09', 'text': \"Just he was a so there's there's a there's a theory that is that working at sea is so arduous that you have to maintain a control.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:24', 'start_time': '23:17', 'text': 'And violence on a couple of crew members one knew is a way for the captain to tell the others that this can be your fate as well.'},\n {'end_time': '23:27', 'start_time': '23:25', 'text': \"So there's a lot of nasty stuff that happened.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:33', 'start_time': '23:27', 'text': 'And this guy essentially used to be prodded with an electric cattle prodder, given electric shocks, passed out.'},\n {'end_time': '23:36', 'start_time': '23:33', 'text': 'His knees were capped off with a fishing knife.'},\n {'end_time': '23:36', 'start_time': '23:36', 'text': 'God.'},\n {'end_time': '23:39', 'start_time': '23:36', 'text': 'He was beaten and jumped on till he passed on.'},\n {'end_time': '23:40', 'start_time': '23:39', 'text': 'He was thrown off a deck.'},\n {'end_time': '23:43', 'start_time': '23:40', 'text': \"He ultimately died because his body couldn't take it.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:45', 'start_time': '23:43', 'text': \"So, you know, that's murky where you see a man who left.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:48', 'start_time': '23:45', 'text': 'I went to Indonesia and met his family and stuff like that as well.'},\n {'end_time': '23:49', 'start_time': '23:49', 'text': 'So yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '23:51', 'start_time': '23:49', 'text': 'I mean and this is very common.'},\n {'end_time': '23:55', 'start_time': '23:51', 'text': \"There's the accidents that happened, but then there's deliberate killing of people that happens as well.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:06', 'start_time': '23:56', 'text': \"And it just happened that this guy's body was gonna be tossed into the ocean, but that fishing trip, another fisher had a fishing accident where the fishing hook caught him and he went overboard and he died.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:11', 'start_time': '24:06', 'text': \"And so it's considered that if he had come back with 2 crew members missing, it would have been too much and would have raised.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:13', 'start_time': '24:11', 'text': 'One crew member missing is okay.'},\n {'end_time': '24:15', 'start_time': '24:13', 'text': 'Everybody turns a little bit of a blind eye.'},\n {'end_time': '24:18', 'start_time': '24:16', 'text': 'So he said I have to bring this guy back.'},\n {'end_time': '24:24', 'start_time': '24:18', 'text': 'So they packed his emaciated dead body into a body bag and put it in the fishing freezer and brought it to Taiwan.'},\n {'end_time': '24:28', 'start_time': '24:25', 'text': 'Where one of the crew members was just like, what have I experienced?'},\n {'end_time': '24:31', 'start_time': '24:28', 'text': \"I've experienced torture of a new crew member for 3 months until he's died.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:34', 'start_time': '24:31', 'text': 'And the other one has just fallen overboard and I really went looking for him.'},\n {'end_time': '24:40', 'start_time': '24:35', 'text': 'So he threw his sources, just sent out this USB stick because he had been filming it on his phone.'},\n {'end_time': '24:41', 'start_time': '24:40', 'text': 'What the fuck?'},\n {'end_time': '24:46', 'start_time': '24:41', 'text': 'Fishing hooks in the head, bleeding everywhere, like, really, really dark and murky stuff.'},\n {'end_time': '24:49', 'start_time': '24:47', 'text': \"Why didn't they go after that guy who fell off?\"},\n {'end_time': '24:55', 'start_time': '24:50', 'text': 'Because their fishing gear was out and it would have meant cutting the fishing gear and turning the ship around.'},\n {'end_time': '24:58', 'start_time': '24:55', 'text': 'And if you lose that fishing gear, as I said, fishing trips are 3, 4 years.'},\n {'end_time': '25:00', 'start_time': '24:58', 'text': \"You don't carry that much extra gear.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:04', 'start_time': '25:00', 'text': \"So it would have meant wasting gear and having to actually save a man's life.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:07', 'start_time': '25:06', 'text': 'Morbid question.'},\n {'end_time': '25:07', 'start_time': '25:07', 'text': 'But Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '25:10', 'start_time': '25:07', 'text': \"When he's floating out there, how do you think he would have passed away?\"},\n {'end_time': '25:12', 'start_time': '25:10', 'text': 'Just sort of hunger and thirst.'},\n {'end_time': '25:20', 'start_time': '25:12', 'text': \"Because I've read that a lot of people who are lost out at sea, eventually, the theory says that they get eaten by reef sharks.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:22', 'start_time': '25:20', 'text': \"Like, that's one of the belief theories.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:22', 'start_time': '25:22', 'text': \"Do you think that's true?\"},\n {'end_time': '25:31', 'start_time': '25:22', 'text': \"Like, if you're just out at sea Not by reef sharks because reef sharks will be around reef, but tigers tiger sharks, great white sharks, They eventually find nepos.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:35', 'start_time': '25:31', 'text': \"These are like if they're ships, they'd probably kill you.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:36', 'start_time': '25:35', 'text': 'Barracuda as well.'},\n {'end_time': '25:39', 'start_time': '25:36', 'text': \"Like, they'd probably come and take a chomp off you.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:39', 'start_time': '25:39', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '25:45', 'start_time': '25:41', 'text': 'But, yeah, most likely dehydration and tiredness.'},\n {'end_time': '25:49', 'start_time': '25:46', 'text': 'Have you ever seen any dead bodies just floating around in the ocean on your toes?'},\n {'end_time': '25:50', 'start_time': '25:49', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '25:50', 'start_time': '25:50', 'text': 'Not really.'},\n {'end_time': '25:53', 'start_time': '25:51', 'text': \"But again, I've seen a lot of videos and stuff like that.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:54', 'start_time': '25:53', 'text': \"Like, there's this video.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:56', 'start_time': '25:54', 'text': 'In fact, Ian went after this story.'},\n {'end_time': '25:57', 'start_time': '25:56', 'text': 'Not not Ian.'},\n {'end_time': '26:08', 'start_time': '25:57', 'text': 'Another investigative journalist went after this story where there was a Chinese fishing boat just shooting dead 4 Somalians in the water.'},\n {'end_time': '26:12', 'start_time': '26:09', 'text': 'These Somalians were fishermen and they thought they were pirates.'},\n {'end_time': '26:18', 'start_time': '26:12', 'text': \"So they just bought out this gun and it's captured on video where he's, like, taking potshots at them from the ship.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:20', 'start_time': '26:18', 'text': \"And because he's never fired a gun before, they don't kill in one shot.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:25', 'start_time': '26:20', 'text': \"So he shoots somebody's shoulder, then he shoots somebody's head, and everybody's, like, cheering him on.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:26', 'start_time': '26:25', 'text': 'And ultimately, all 4 are dead.'},\n {'end_time': '26:28', 'start_time': '26:26', 'text': \"They're just exploding heads in the water.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:30', 'start_time': '26:28', 'text': \"So, like, there's a lot of murky stuff that happened.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:32', 'start_time': '26:30', 'text': \"And people tell these stories, like, they'll be like, yeah.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:33', 'start_time': '26:32', 'text': 'I met this friend.'},\n {'end_time': '26:36', 'start_time': '26:33', 'text': 'His backbone was broken on the ship, so they chucked his body.'},\n {'end_time': '26:40', 'start_time': '26:36', 'text': 'Somebody else will say, I went to join a ship in Pacific, but I was working off Somalia for 4 years.'},\n {'end_time': '26:44', 'start_time': '26:40', 'text': \"I've killed pirates and stuff like that and just come home last week.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:50', 'start_time': '26:45', 'text': \"Like, there's wild stories that come out from human endurance at sea under working conditions.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:52', 'start_time': '26:50', 'text': 'Have you heard any alien stories?'},\n {'end_time': '26:54', 'start_time': '26:52', 'text': 'UFOs, things like that?'},\n {'end_time': '26:55', 'start_time': '26:54', 'text': 'I have.'},\n {'end_time': '26:57', 'start_time': '26:55', 'text': \"Because that's another theme of this podcast.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:00', 'start_time': '26:57', 'text': 'In fact, when you were talking about a man eating tiger, I was thinking about the arrival.'},\n {'end_time': '27:01', 'start_time': '27:00', 'text': 'Have you seen the arrival?'},\n {'end_time': '27:01', 'start_time': '27:01', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '27:01', 'start_time': '27:01', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '27:02', 'start_time': '27:01', 'text': 'We spoke about it.'},\n {'end_time': '27:07', 'start_time': '27:02', 'text': \"I thought about it, like, when they go in for the first time and they're like, what are you with the birds and all?\"},\n {'end_time': '27:09', 'start_time': '27:07', 'text': 'I felt like you were describing that scene.'},\n {'end_time': '27:10', 'start_time': '27:09', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '27:11', 'start_time': '27:11', 'text': 'Man.'},\n {'end_time': '27:13', 'start_time': '27:12', 'text': \"I don't know.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:20', 'start_time': '27:13', 'text': \"I it's just like, you know, this is one of those episodes that I've been looking forward to since 2 years, but we've never had a chance to create.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:22', 'start_time': '27:20', 'text': 'So this is not the end of the podcast.'},\n {'end_time': '27:23', 'start_time': '27:22', 'text': 'I have more questions.'},\n {'end_time': '27:25', 'start_time': '27:25', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '27:26', 'start_time': '27:25', 'text': \"I'm just How long are you been?\"},\n {'end_time': '27:27', 'start_time': '27:26', 'text': \"I'm Yeah.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:28', 'start_time': '27:27', 'text': \"It's 10 o'clock.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:31', 'start_time': '27:28', 'text': \"I'm appreciating a brother, an oceanic brother.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:36', 'start_time': '27:33', 'text': 'You know, maybe the last section, which is another theme of the show.'},\n {'end_time': '27:36', 'start_time': '27:36', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '27:41', 'start_time': '27:37', 'text': 'I think earlier on in the episode, we spoke about geopolitics of the ocean.'},\n {'end_time': '27:41', 'start_time': '27:41', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '27:42', 'start_time': '27:41', 'text': \"What's actually happening out there?\"},\n {'end_time': '27:44', 'start_time': '27:42', 'text': 'And is that something that interests you?'},\n {'end_time': '27:45', 'start_time': '27:44', 'text': 'Do you study it?'},\n {'end_time': '27:52', 'start_time': '27:45', 'text': 'Like, is it something that you know, something about that you can share with the audience?'},\n {'end_time': '28:02', 'start_time': '27:52', 'text': \"So, in in the sense that I'm interested in geopolitics, but not maybe from a national security point of view where most geopolitic conversation comes in.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:06', 'start_time': '28:02', 'text': \"I'm interested in it from the point of view of what role fishing plays in geopolitics.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:11', 'start_time': '28:07', 'text': \"And it's very interesting because very often we think about fishing as just being fishing.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:21', 'start_time': '28:11', 'text': \"But when a fishing boat is out in the oceans, let's say it says an Indian fishing boat in the Indian Ocean, it's a part of India that is in the Indian Ocean.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:27', 'start_time': '28:21', 'text': \"And if there are a 1,000 fishing boats from India, there's a 1,000 pieces of India that are out in the Indian Ocean.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:39', 'start_time': '28:27', 'text': \"So geopolitically, it makes sense that something like fishing, which is primarily an economic activity, also becomes a way to exert, some amount of presence in the world's oceans.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:39', 'start_time': '28:39', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '28:42', 'start_time': '28:40', 'text': \"So that's one thing.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:46', 'start_time': '28:42', 'text': 'The second thing is we are living in the age of what is now known as the blue economy or the ocean economy.'},\n {'end_time': '28:49', 'start_time': '28:46', 'text': \"So we've had the green revolutions in agriculture.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:51', 'start_time': '28:49', 'text': \"We've had the mining extraction that's happened.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:54', 'start_time': '28:52', 'text': \"Now we are seeing something that's happening at sea.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:57', 'start_time': '28:54', 'text': 'So extractive activities are going out to sea.'},\n {'end_time': '28:59', 'start_time': '28:58', 'text': \"There's a lot of ports that's happening.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:02', 'start_time': '28:59', 'text': \"There's a lot of shipping, etcetera, that's happening.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:07', 'start_time': '29:03', 'text': 'And alongside that, these investments need security.'},\n {'end_time': '29:14', 'start_time': '29:08', 'text': 'And therefore, geopolitics is becoming a part than national security related to ocean investments in a big way.'},\n {'end_time': '29:16', 'start_time': '29:14', 'text': 'And fishing vessels do become a part of that.'},\n {'end_time': '29:20', 'start_time': '29:16', 'text': 'So for example, China has expanded immensely in the Indian Ocean.'},\n {'end_time': '29:32', 'start_time': '29:21', 'text': \"But the Indian Ocean is a huge security concern for America in the sense that it's it's it's it's it's got the Persian Gulf, so the biggest oil routes of the world.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:36', 'start_time': '29:32', 'text': \"It's got the Suez Canal, which empties out into the Arabian Sea through the Red Sea.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:38', 'start_time': '29:36', 'text': \"So it's a big shipping route for them.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:45', 'start_time': '29:39', 'text': 'And then just extended Indian Ocean, the Malacca, and the Singapore Strait, where about 90% of all the trade passes through.'},\n {'end_time': '29:53', 'start_time': '29:46', 'text': \"So what happens when China's dominance in this areas grows, it's geopolitical in the sense that America is not fishing back.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:01', 'start_time': '29:54', 'text': 'But what if Chinese boats have arms and can launch a militia kind of war against American bases.'},\n {'end_time': '30:02', 'start_time': '30:01', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '30:06', 'start_time': '30:02', 'text': \"So there's geopolitics in fishing that plays out like that, and it's not just fishing.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:08', 'start_time': '30:06', 'text': \"It's always linked with something.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:13', 'start_time': '30:08', 'text': \"And so when we look at Indian fishing that is expanding into the Indian Ocean, it's not just Indian fishing.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:21', 'start_time': '30:13', 'text': \"Of course, economically, it's claiming part of the ocean through the resource, but also that presence then adds and links up to all of these things.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:23', 'start_time': '30:21', 'text': \"So, that's one thing.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:26', 'start_time': '30:23', 'text': 'The other side of the geopolitics is that maritime borders are very recent.'},\n {'end_time': '30:40', 'start_time': '30:28', 'text': 'Europe, as Europe has existed pretty much for a long time in the way it has, but maritime boundaries were only formed in the early eighties, and a lot of countries probably claimed them much later.'},\n {'end_time': '30:49', 'start_time': '30:40', 'text': \"So for example, India's got a maritime boundary with Pakistan, with the Maldives, with Sri Lanka, with Bangladesh, and then with Thailand from Andaman and Nicobar.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:51', 'start_time': '30:49', 'text': \"That's 5 maritime boundaries.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:53', 'start_time': '30:52', 'text': \"Fish don't respect boundaries.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:58', 'start_time': '30:53', 'text': 'They just flow over, But resources can only be claimed if you have that territory.'},\n {'end_time': '31:07', 'start_time': '30:59', 'text': \"So geopolitically, it's also contested whose waters are what, you know, where do minerals lie, where do whose fish if I capture them on this side of the line, they're mine.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:09', 'start_time': '31:07', 'text': 'If they capture them on that side.'},\n {'end_time': '31:13', 'start_time': '31:09', 'text': \"So geopolitically, again, there's this fluid boundary of fishing, etcetera, that come in.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:15', 'start_time': '31:13', 'text': \"So I'm interested in those aspects of geopolitics.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:19', 'start_time': '31:16', 'text': 'You gave me 2 great podcast episodes today.'},\n {'end_time': '31:20', 'start_time': '31:19', 'text': \"I'm going.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:25', 'start_time': '31:20', 'text': 'So that was part 2 of our special 2 part conversation with captain Sid Chakravarthy.'},\n {'end_time': '31:30', 'start_time': '31:25', 'text': 'If you liked it, do share this podcast these podcasts as much as possible.'},\n {'end_time': '31:36', 'start_time': '31:30', 'text': 'The podcast, I hope, will grow through conversations like this, people like this, experiences like this.'},\n {'end_time': '31:42', 'start_time': '31:37', 'text': \"And, honestly, it's gonna grow when you guys share all these episodes on WhatsApp, on your social media.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:44', 'start_time': '31:42', 'text': 'So make sure you share TRS.'},\n {'end_time': '31:47', 'start_time': '31:44', 'text': 'And make sure you follow TRS on Spotify.'},\n {'end_time': '31:53', 'start_time': '31:47', 'text': \"The Spotify exclusive, which means that every episode is available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:59', 'start_time': '31:54', 'text': 'And for now, what I will tell you is that I still hate the idea of scuba diving.'},\n {'end_time': '32:01', 'start_time': '31:59', 'text': \"There's something about the oceans that just scares me immensely.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:09', 'start_time': '32:02', 'text': \"And while I got fascinated because of this conversation with captain Sid, I also got kind of scared about what's out there.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:14', 'start_time': '32:10', 'text': 'About the monsters with swim and about the monsters that board ships.'},\n {'end_time': '32:20', 'start_time': '32:15', 'text': 'I hope that this is one of those conversations that stayed with you in the same way that it stayed with me.'},\n {'end_time': '32:27', 'start_time': '32:20', 'text': \"Right after recording this, I went up to Sanjit, and I told him that, I think we've got a super hit podcast in our hands.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:30', 'start_time': '32:27', 'text': 'It was so good that we had to divide it into 2 parts.'},\n {'end_time': '32:36', 'start_time': '32:30', 'text': 'So make sure you watch both the parts, and make sure you keep sharing episodes like this of the Runway show.'},\n {'end_time': '32:37', 'start_time': '32:37', 'text': 'Thank you.'}],\n dtype=object)}", "role": "user" }, { 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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:05", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "Any podcast that we do with Luke Coutinho happens to be one of the most loved pieces on this channel." }, { "end_time": "0:10", "start_time": "0:06", "text": "This one is about the story behind the brand Luke Coutinho, what it took." }, { "end_time": "0:15", "start_time": "0:10", "text": "Keep in mind, he began creating this brand that we know of at age 34." }, { "end_time": "0:17", "start_time": "0:15", "text": "Before that, he worked in the corporate space." }, { "end_time": "0:19", "start_time": "0:17", "text": "He even worked as a DJ in Goa." }, { "end_time": "0:28", "start_time": "0:19", "text": "This is the story of his journey from growing up in Goa till setting up this internationally famous brand that we know that's called Luc Cateno." }, { "end_time": "0:30", "start_time": "0:28", "text": "Luc is a huge mentor to me." }, { "end_time": "0:33", "start_time": "0:30", "text": "He's guided me in some of the most painful moments of my life." }, { "end_time": "0:35", "start_time": "0:33", "text": "There's some emotional parts of this episode." }, { "end_time": "0:38", "start_time": "0:36", "text": "I actually shed a tear for the first time in this one." }, { "end_time": "0:43", "start_time": "0:38", "text": "It's one of the episodes that's the closest to my heart because I've known Luc for a very long time." }, { "end_time": "0:46", "start_time": "0:43", "text": "Luke has guided me out of some of the darkest moments of my life." }, { "end_time": "0:51", "start_time": "0:46", "text": "And strangely enough, this episode was recorded on a very important day for my career." }, { "end_time": "0:54", "start_time": "0:51", "text": "So I've become an investor on Ready, Set, Jet." }, { "end_time": "0:57", "start_time": "0:54", "text": "It's the first company that I've invested in myself." }, { "end_time": "0:59", "start_time": "0:57", "text": "We've come very far on this YouTube game." }, { "end_time": "1:04", "start_time": "0:59", "text": "Thanks to all the support from you guys, from being a YouTuber to an entrepreneur to now an investor." }, { "end_time": "1:06", "start_time": "1:04", "text": "It's just very overwhelming for me." }, { "end_time": "1:09", "start_time": "1:06", "text": "If you wanna check out Ready, Set, Jet products, of course, they're linked down below." }, { "end_time": "1:12", "start_time": "1:09", "text": "Some amazing cosmetics and skin care products." }, { "end_time": "1:14", "start_time": "1:12", "text": "I really feel you'll enjoy it." }, { "end_time": "1:15", "start_time": "1:14", "text": "Try it out at least." }, { "end_time": "1:17", "start_time": "1:15", "text": "But for now, enjoy." }, { "end_time": "1:22", "start_time": "1:17", "text": "One of my favorite human beings ever in the world, Luca Dino." }, { "end_time": "1:24", "start_time": "1:22", "text": "He's on the Ranveer show." }, { "end_time": "1:45", "start_time": "1:40", "text": "Luke Coutinho, I call you one of the all stars of this show." }, { "end_time": "1:47", "start_time": "1:45", "text": "Your episodes are always the most loved." }, { "end_time": "1:50", "start_time": "1:48", "text": "A lot of people know about your knowledge." }, { "end_time": "1:52", "start_time": "1:50", "text": "This one's a little more about the story." }, { "end_time": "1:55", "start_time": "1:52", "text": "I know that your story is gonna contain a lot of knowledge as well." }, { "end_time": "1:57", "start_time": "1:55", "text": "Firstly, welcome back to the Ranveesh." }, { "end_time": "1:58", "start_time": "1:57", "text": "It's good to see you, bro." }, { "end_time": "1:59", "start_time": "1:58", "text": "Good to see you." }, { "end_time": "2:06", "start_time": "1:59", "text": "So, I think, you know before we started this show we used to have this little inspiring interview series and you're one of my first picks for that." }, { "end_time": "2:14", "start_time": "2:06", "text": "And you explained how you went from being a DJ to starting your own brand which we all know now online." }, { "end_time": "2:18", "start_time": "2:15", "text": "But this one's a little more about like the business side of things also." }, { "end_time": "2:20", "start_time": "2:18", "text": "How did you travels that old?" }, { "end_time": "2:23", "start_time": "2:21", "text": "Let's let's talk about that whole story." }, { "end_time": "2:28", "start_time": "2:23", "text": "But as of now, 2021 life has brought you back to Goa, the place where all of it started." }, { "end_time": "2:28", "start_time": "2:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:31", "start_time": "2:29", "text": "So what's what's that been like?" }, { "end_time": "2:32", "start_time": "2:31", "text": "What how's your lockdown been?" }, { "end_time": "2:34", "start_time": "2:32", "text": "What's the last year been like for you?" }, { "end_time": "2:36", "start_time": "2:35", "text": "My lockdown's been amazing." }, { "end_time": "2:39", "start_time": "2:37", "text": "No disrespect to the people who have suffered through it." }, { "end_time": "2:45", "start_time": "2:39", "text": "You know, I mean, at any point in life, if someone's feeling good and doing good, there's someone on the other side suffering." }, { "end_time": "2:49", "start_time": "2:45", "text": "So I'm not gonna be all saintly and say that, you know, oh, you know, it's been bad right through." }, { "end_time": "2:50", "start_time": "2:49", "text": "It's been great." }, { "end_time": "2:51", "start_time": "2:50", "text": "It's been great." }, { "end_time": "2:54", "start_time": "2:51", "text": "You know, we've worked with patients who have now recovered through COVID." }, { "end_time": "2:55", "start_time": "2:54", "text": "We've seen patients." }, { "end_time": "2:57", "start_time": "2:56", "text": "There's a lot of learning around here." }, { "end_time": "3:02", "start_time": "2:57", "text": "The amount that we've learned through COVID, like if COVID didn't happen, it shouldn't have happened." }, { "end_time": "3:04", "start_time": "3:02", "text": "And it's not as drastic as we think it is." }, { "end_time": "3:06", "start_time": "3:04", "text": "Do you know the amount of people who are dying of starvation?" }, { "end_time": "3:09", "start_time": "3:06", "text": "The numbers are more than the amount of lives lost during COVID." }, { "end_time": "3:13", "start_time": "3:10", "text": "Diabetics, 3,000,000 deaths a year." }, { "end_time": "3:16", "start_time": "3:13", "text": "We've not even done 0.001 percent of that." }, { "end_time": "3:17", "start_time": "3:16", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "3:19", "start_time": "3:17", "text": "Cancer deaths, cardiovascular, heart attacks." }, { "end_time": "3:19", "start_time": "3:19", "text": "It's huge." }, { "end_time": "3:23", "start_time": "3:19", "text": "So you know when the media shows us these numbers, it instills fear in us." }, { "end_time": "3:28", "start_time": "3:23", "text": "But when you when you segment it and break it down, the numbers are not as bad." }, { "end_time": "3:29", "start_time": "3:28", "text": "I wish no one died from COVID." }, { "end_time": "3:31", "start_time": "3:29", "text": "I wish it didn't exist, but it has." }, { "end_time": "3:33", "start_time": "3:31", "text": "But what if we learn from it?" }, { "end_time": "3:36", "start_time": "3:33", "text": "Because, you know, when something bad happens, we can wallow in self pity." }, { "end_time": "3:38", "start_time": "3:36", "text": "We can, you know, be stuck over there." }, { "end_time": "3:41", "start_time": "3:38", "text": "But the way I look at it is what can we learn from this?" }, { "end_time": "3:43", "start_time": "3:41", "text": "And what has it shown us?" }, { "end_time": "3:46", "start_time": "3:43", "text": "The importance of vitamin d 3, which has always been ignored." }, { "end_time": "3:47", "start_time": "3:46", "text": "The importance of lung health." }, { "end_time": "3:50", "start_time": "3:47", "text": "The importance of if you have diabetes, it's not okay." }, { "end_time": "3:51", "start_time": "3:50", "text": "Do something about it." }, { "end_time": "3:52", "start_time": "3:51", "text": "Make it better." }, { "end_time": "3:53", "start_time": "3:52", "text": "But it's your job." }, { "end_time": "3:55", "start_time": "3:53", "text": "You can't just be on meds and say, I'm fine." }, { "end_time": "3:59", "start_time": "3:55", "text": "Because today, these are the cases which are being hurt the most." }, { "end_time": "4:02", "start_time": "3:59", "text": "So COVID has taught us that on a technical front." }, { "end_time": "4:05", "start_time": "4:02", "text": "Number 2, it's also shown us 2 parts you know, 2 populations of people." }, { "end_time": "4:08", "start_time": "4:05", "text": "People lost their jobs, people's businesses crashed." }, { "end_time": "4:14", "start_time": "4:08", "text": "There's 1 population that slipped into depression and another that have made new businesses." }, { "end_time": "4:19", "start_time": "4:15", "text": "You know, same problem, different mindsets." }, { "end_time": "4:22", "start_time": "4:19", "text": "There are some people who lost their job and they said we'll never go back to work." }, { "end_time": "4:25", "start_time": "4:22", "text": "They've built online businesses, new revenue streams." }, { "end_time": "4:33", "start_time": "4:26", "text": "So you see they've taken difficulties and challenging times, and they've converted it into profitability, into a new life." }, { "end_time": "4:34", "start_time": "4:33", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "4:38", "start_time": "4:34", "text": "Perspective, mind change, mindset, strength." }, { "end_time": "4:39", "start_time": "4:38", "text": "So COVID's brought out so much." }, { "end_time": "4:43", "start_time": "4:39", "text": "It's been good for the world in terms of pollution and so many different things." }, { "end_time": "4:46", "start_time": "4:43", "text": "It's made us all realize how vulnerable we are." }, { "end_time": "4:48", "start_time": "4:46", "text": "You know, we can't no medicines worked, Okay?" }, { "end_time": "4:50", "start_time": "4:48", "text": "So we turned back to nature." }, { "end_time": "4:51", "start_time": "4:50", "text": "We turned back." }, { "end_time": "4:52", "start_time": "4:51", "text": "Immunity became a buzzword." }, { "end_time": "4:57", "start_time": "4:52", "text": "You know, before immunity was never even discussed for 5 years, we've been screaming immunity." }, { "end_time": "4:59", "start_time": "4:58", "text": "But people were like, what's immunity?" }, { "end_time": "5:00", "start_time": "4:59", "text": "What's immunity?" }, { "end_time": "5:01", "start_time": "5:00", "text": "Today it's a buzzword." }, { "end_time": "5:06", "start_time": "5:01", "text": "So you see sometimes the world has to change to bring out the best of what is actually real to us." }, { "end_time": "5:07", "start_time": "5:06", "text": "The basics of life." }, { "end_time": "5:09", "start_time": "5:07", "text": "The basics of human life is immunity." }, { "end_time": "5:11", "start_time": "5:09", "text": "You have low immunity, you can get any disease." }, { "end_time": "5:14", "start_time": "5:12", "text": "So I think lockdown's been fabulous." }, { "end_time": "5:15", "start_time": "5:15", "text": "It's been fabulous." }, { "end_time": "5:18", "start_time": "5:16", "text": "You know, that's what we can take away from it right now." }, { "end_time": "5:19", "start_time": "5:18", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:21", "start_time": "5:19", "text": "I think there were 2 things that came to the forefront." }, { "end_time": "5:24", "start_time": "5:21", "text": "The first was a live feel." }, { "end_time": "5:28", "start_time": "5:24", "text": "I feel there's different people with different levels of feel inside them." }, { "end_time": "5:28", "start_time": "5:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:33", "start_time": "5:28", "text": "And you got to see in your own friends circles, okay, who are the ones who live a fearful life Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "5:35", "start_time": "5:33", "text": "Versus who are the ones who just go for it." }, { "end_time": "5:35", "start_time": "5:35", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "5:37", "start_time": "5:35", "text": "That's one thing that came to the forefront." }, { "end_time": "5:44", "start_time": "5:37", "text": "The second thing that came to the forefront from a professional standpoint but also from a life standpoint is mental toughness in people." }, { "end_time": "5:44", "start_time": "5:44", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "5:50", "start_time": "5:44", "text": "And, I know that the narrative over the last 5 5 years or so has been about mental health." }, { "end_time": "5:50", "start_time": "5:50", "text": "And it's important." }, { "end_time": "5:53", "start_time": "5:50", "text": "And we will be touching upon that in this podcast as well." }, { "end_time": "5:57", "start_time": "5:53", "text": "What's not spoken about enough, kudos to someone called David Gorgons." }, { "end_time": "5:59", "start_time": "5:57", "text": "What's not spoken about is mental toughness." }, { "end_time": "5:59", "start_time": "5:59", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "6:04", "start_time": "6:00", "text": "I feel that's going to be the next big thing in the world." }, { "end_time": "6:06", "start_time": "6:04", "text": "We've called it mental fitness in the past." }, { "end_time": "6:12", "start_time": "6:06", "text": "I had to tell mental toughness as mental fitness on the channel for this reason." }, { "end_time": "6:17", "start_time": "6:12", "text": "The moment you say, oh, be tough, people think it's an attack on the conversation of mental health." }, { "end_time": "6:17", "start_time": "6:17", "text": "And that's why I said, no." }, { "end_time": "6:18", "start_time": "6:17", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "6:18", "start_time": "6:18", "text": "Not toughness." }, { "end_time": "6:19", "start_time": "6:18", "text": "It's mental fitness." }, { "end_time": "6:22", "start_time": "6:19", "text": "But that's all the more reason you need to stand with this point." }, { "end_time": "6:24", "start_time": "6:22", "text": "Because what is mental awareness?" }, { "end_time": "6:27", "start_time": "6:25", "text": "We're aware that depression is at its highest." }, { "end_time": "6:35", "start_time": "6:27", "text": "We're aware that suicides, that teenage problems, adult problems, senior citizen problems, mental awareness is not gonna fix it." }, { "end_time": "6:37", "start_time": "6:35", "text": "Mental toughness is gonna fix it." }, { "end_time": "6:39", "start_time": "6:38", "text": "Yes, I'm sad." }, { "end_time": "6:40", "start_time": "6:39", "text": "Now what are you gonna do about it?" }, { "end_time": "6:41", "start_time": "6:41", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "6:45", "start_time": "6:41", "text": "We're not disrespecting that you're sad, but what action are you gonna take?" }, { "end_time": "6:48", "start_time": "6:45", "text": "Oh, yes, my girlfriend or my boyfriend broke up with me." }, { "end_time": "6:49", "start_time": "6:48", "text": "Yes, I empathize with you." }, { "end_time": "6:50", "start_time": "6:49", "text": "No one likes heartbreak." }, { "end_time": "6:51", "start_time": "6:50", "text": "But now what are you gonna do?" }, { "end_time": "6:54", "start_time": "6:52", "text": "Are you gonna stay stuck, or are you gonna move on?" }, { "end_time": "6:58", "start_time": "6:54", "text": "You need mental toughness or like you're coining a word mental fitness." }, { "end_time": "6:58", "start_time": "6:58", "text": "You need it." }, { "end_time": "7:00", "start_time": "6:58", "text": "Or mental awareness is useless." }, { "end_time": "7:02", "start_time": "7:01", "text": "People are aware of their emotions." }, { "end_time": "7:05", "start_time": "7:02", "text": "I don't know anyone who isn't aware of their emotions." }, { "end_time": "7:07", "start_time": "7:05", "text": "The thing lacking is action." }, { "end_time": "7:08", "start_time": "7:08", "text": "They're stuck." }, { "end_time": "7:09", "start_time": "7:08", "text": "They're not moving forward." }, { "end_time": "7:11", "start_time": "7:10", "text": "So, yeah, and you're absolutely right." }, { "end_time": "7:17", "start_time": "7:11", "text": "So when we say you gotta suck it up and be tough, people are like, oh, because you're emotionally weak." }, { "end_time": "7:19", "start_time": "7:17", "text": "You have to be emotionally strong." }, { "end_time": "7:21", "start_time": "7:20", "text": "Weakness cannot be accepted." }, { "end_time": "7:23", "start_time": "7:21", "text": "It can be worked with." }, { "end_time": "7:25", "start_time": "7:23", "text": "Yes, we can accept it, but now we need to move to action." }, { "end_time": "7:27", "start_time": "7:25", "text": "We can't accept it and do nothing about it." }, { "end_time": "7:33", "start_time": "7:27", "text": "Then we're creating a failing model in society where people only get to hear what they wanna hear." }, { "end_time": "7:34", "start_time": "7:33", "text": "Oh, you went through a breakup." }, { "end_time": "7:35", "start_time": "7:34", "text": "Yes, he shouldn't have done that." }, { "end_time": "7:36", "start_time": "7:36", "text": "She shouldn't have done that." }, { "end_time": "7:38", "start_time": "7:36", "text": "Here, come, let's go shop." }, { "end_time": "7:42", "start_time": "7:38", "text": "Let's go numb pain by, you know, smoking a joint, drinking more alcohol." }, { "end_time": "7:43", "start_time": "7:42", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "7:45", "start_time": "7:43", "text": "You've created a mentally weak society." }, { "end_time": "7:47", "start_time": "7:45", "text": "But you need someone to say, yep, okay." }, { "end_time": "7:48", "start_time": "7:47", "text": "You know, go home." }, { "end_time": "7:48", "start_time": "7:48", "text": "Feel bad." }, { "end_time": "7:49", "start_time": "7:48", "text": "Go through the feelings." }, { "end_time": "7:52", "start_time": "7:49", "text": "But tomorrow, get up and move on with your life." }, { "end_time": "7:53", "start_time": "7:52", "text": "It's difficult." }, { "end_time": "7:56", "start_time": "7:53", "text": "No one is saying it is easy, but you gotta do it." }, { "end_time": "7:56", "start_time": "7:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:57", "start_time": "7:56", "text": "That is mental toughness." }, { "end_time": "7:58", "start_time": "7:57", "text": "It's needed." }, { "end_time": "8:10", "start_time": "7:58", "text": "There's a very small section of urban audiences, I believe, that, really, really highlights the darkness of mental health and that whole mental health conversation." }, { "end_time": "8:11", "start_time": "8:10", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "8:13", "start_time": "8:11", "text": "I I want you to highlight that." }, { "end_time": "8:18", "start_time": "8:13", "text": "Like, I know this whole podcast is about your story, and I know that mental toughness has been a part of your journey." }, { "end_time": "8:20", "start_time": "8:18", "text": "You're someone who always looks at the positive side of things." }, { "end_time": "8:23", "start_time": "8:20", "text": "So that's not a part of your life that you highlight often." }, { "end_time": "8:24", "start_time": "8:23", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "8:27", "start_time": "8:24", "text": "I'd love for you to highlight some of your own dark times as well in this conversation." }, { "end_time": "8:28", "start_time": "8:27", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "8:31", "start_time": "8:28", "text": "And right before you do that, again, I've gotta highlight David Gorgons, man." }, { "end_time": "8:32", "start_time": "8:31", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "8:35", "start_time": "8:32", "text": "I discovered him through Joe Rogan and Joe Rogan's podcast." }, { "end_time": "8:35", "start_time": "8:35", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "8:36", "start_time": "8:35", "text": "That guy has a catchphrase." }, { "end_time": "8:37", "start_time": "8:37", "text": "David Gorgans." }, { "end_time": "8:39", "start_time": "8:37", "text": "He says stay hard." }, { "end_time": "8:41", "start_time": "8:39", "text": "And that's that's so important." }, { "end_time": "8:42", "start_time": "8:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:43", "start_time": "8:42", "text": "Especially in the modern day." }, { "end_time": "8:55", "start_time": "8:44", "text": "You know if you like I think before COVID or even during the lockdown if you promoted the idea of mental toughness you had this intersection of urban audiences coming at you and saying that." }, { "end_time": "8:56", "start_time": "8:55", "text": "How dare you say that?" }, { "end_time": "8:57", "start_time": "8:56", "text": "But you know what?" }, { "end_time": "8:59", "start_time": "8:57", "text": "You know where all the problems are in?" }, { "end_time": "9:00", "start_time": "8:59", "text": "That urban audience." }, { "end_time": "9:00", "start_time": "9:00", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "9:02", "start_time": "9:00", "text": "Emotionally weak and unstable." }, { "end_time": "9:04", "start_time": "9:02", "text": "When I say this I don't mean it in a disrespectful way." }, { "end_time": "9:06", "start_time": "9:05", "text": "I'm here to correct a problem." }, { "end_time": "9:08", "start_time": "9:06", "text": "I'm here if I have a patient in front of me." }, { "end_time": "9:10", "start_time": "9:08", "text": "The only thing I see is your recovery." }, { "end_time": "9:13", "start_time": "9:10", "text": "If you are becoming an obstacle to it, it's my job to break it down." }, { "end_time": "9:16", "start_time": "9:13", "text": "If you don't wanna break it down, that's your part." }, { "end_time": "9:17", "start_time": "9:16", "text": "I'm not gonna force you." }, { "end_time": "9:20", "start_time": "9:17", "text": "So all the people who come and say, oh, no, you need to be compassionate." }, { "end_time": "9:21", "start_time": "9:21", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "9:23", "start_time": "9:21", "text": "Compassion and toughness go together." }, { "end_time": "9:31", "start_time": "9:23", "text": "But you'll see all the problems when people attack you from a particular standpoint on social media, those are the audiences that have the problem." }, { "end_time": "9:33", "start_time": "9:31", "text": "You can see it right there." }, { "end_time": "9:36", "start_time": "9:33", "text": "And then I see it and I know you're on the right path to keep moving forward." }, { "end_time": "9:38", "start_time": "9:36", "text": "So stay hard." }, { "end_time": "9:38", "start_time": "9:38", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "9:44", "start_time": "9:38", "text": "It's a fantastic phrase, but you know a lot of groups are gonna say like that's too, you know, callous, that's too rough." }, { "end_time": "9:45", "start_time": "9:44", "text": "But it's the truth." }, { "end_time": "9:49", "start_time": "9:45", "text": "And most people want honesty and the truth, but you know where they feel run weary?" }, { "end_time": "9:50", "start_time": "9:49", "text": "No one can take it." }, { "end_time": "9:57", "start_time": "9:51", "text": "The biggest issue in relationships, I want honesty, but they can't take it when they get honesty." }, { "end_time": "10:02", "start_time": "9:57", "text": "So you build up white lies, you build up walls because you wanna satisfy your partner emotionally." }, { "end_time": "10:07", "start_time": "10:03", "text": "Whereas the easiest thing for a guy or girl is to be yourself and be honest." }, { "end_time": "10:09", "start_time": "10:07", "text": "But the other party has to be able to take it." }, { "end_time": "10:11", "start_time": "10:09", "text": "So stay hard is great." }, { "end_time": "10:15", "start_time": "10:11", "text": "But people have to see it in the perspective of, yes, we empathize you have a problem." }, { "end_time": "10:17", "start_time": "10:15", "text": "We're not disregarding the pain you're going through." }, { "end_time": "10:19", "start_time": "10:18", "text": "But you have to stay hard." }, { "end_time": "10:21", "start_time": "10:19", "text": "That's the only way you stay afloat." }, { "end_time": "10:21", "start_time": "10:21", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "10:21", "start_time": "10:21", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "10:23", "start_time": "10:21", "text": "So there's a lot of wisdom in that for sure." }, { "end_time": "10:24", "start_time": "10:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:27", "start_time": "10:24", "text": "You stream or online trolls or just trolls in general." }, { "end_time": "10:29", "start_time": "10:27", "text": "Doubters and haters in life." }, { "end_time": "10:33", "start_time": "10:29", "text": "People only point out the negatives that they see within themselves." }, { "end_time": "10:35", "start_time": "10:33", "text": "If they feel something negative about themselves." }, { "end_time": "10:41", "start_time": "10:35", "text": "Like, for example, the most common, I'm sure even you get this because you're associated with the world of fitness." }, { "end_time": "10:45", "start_time": "10:41", "text": "Someone, somewhere will be criticizing something about you, Your knowledge or your body." }, { "end_time": "10:49", "start_time": "10:45", "text": "But actually somewhere deep within themselves they are criticizing their own knowledge and their own body." }, { "end_time": "10:50", "start_time": "10:49", "text": "They are projecting." }, { "end_time": "10:51", "start_time": "10:50", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "10:53", "start_time": "10:51", "text": "They are projecting their insecurities on you." }, { "end_time": "10:57", "start_time": "10:53", "text": "And you know trolls basically I mean everyone tries to define trolls." }, { "end_time": "10:58", "start_time": "10:57", "text": "They are cowards." }, { "end_time": "10:59", "start_time": "10:58", "text": "And I'll tell you why." }, { "end_time": "11:01", "start_time": "10:59", "text": "Again, cowards is a word, okay?" }, { "end_time": "11:05", "start_time": "11:01", "text": "And if someone tells me today, Luke, you know, you behave like a coward." }, { "end_time": "11:09", "start_time": "11:05", "text": "For me I wanna know what part of that behavior it was and change it, because I don't wanna be a coward." }, { "end_time": "11:11", "start_time": "11:09", "text": "So I'm taking it positively." }, { "end_time": "11:15", "start_time": "11:11", "text": "But trolls, because they know they don't have to come face to face, they attack and they project." }, { "end_time": "11:19", "start_time": "11:15", "text": "Now face to face, they will never be able to project their insecurities on someone." }, { "end_time": "11:24", "start_time": "11:19", "text": "So social media has given a platform to people to hide behind the screen and project." }, { "end_time": "11:29", "start_time": "11:25", "text": "Because if you wanna give constructive criticism, you can still use the platform." }, { "end_time": "11:35", "start_time": "11:29", "text": "But when someone's strolling, it's a very very deeply rooted negative intent that they project." }, { "end_time": "11:37", "start_time": "11:35", "text": "And you know, a lot of people ask me, Ranveer, I'm sure you've gone through it." }, { "end_time": "11:38", "start_time": "11:37", "text": "It affects us." }, { "end_time": "11:38", "start_time": "11:38", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "11:39", "start_time": "11:38", "text": "And it should affect us." }, { "end_time": "11:40", "start_time": "11:39", "text": "You know why?" }, { "end_time": "11:43", "start_time": "11:40", "text": "Because the brain works on survival." }, { "end_time": "11:49", "start_time": "11:43", "text": "Anything that threatens our peace, our happiness, our safety, the mind is on alert." }, { "end_time": "11:56", "start_time": "11:49", "text": "So if you've ever noticed, I'm going through 500 comments of love and things, but the mind will pick up that one troll and focus." }, { "end_time": "11:59", "start_time": "11:56", "text": "And people will say, oh be strong Luke, I'm trying to be strong." }, { "end_time": "11:59", "start_time": "11:59", "text": "No no." }, { "end_time": "12:01", "start_time": "11:59", "text": "It's natural what's happening." }, { "end_time": "12:02", "start_time": "12:01", "text": "Threat to survival." }, { "end_time": "12:03", "start_time": "12:03", "text": "Negative." }, { "end_time": "12:04", "start_time": "12:03", "text": "Threat." }, { "end_time": "12:06", "start_time": "12:04", "text": "The brain perceives it as a threat." }, { "end_time": "12:07", "start_time": "12:06", "text": "Now what you're going to do is up to you." }, { "end_time": "12:10", "start_time": "12:07", "text": "Whether you're going to take it on, ignore it or whatever." }, { "end_time": "12:13", "start_time": "12:10", "text": "But a lot of people feel, but why is it affecting me Luke?" }, { "end_time": "12:14", "start_time": "12:13", "text": "I shouldn't." }, { "end_time": "12:15", "start_time": "12:14", "text": "I'm meditating every day." }, { "end_time": "12:16", "start_time": "12:15", "text": "It will affect you." }, { "end_time": "12:19", "start_time": "12:16", "text": "Because your brain is focused on survival." }, { "end_time": "12:22", "start_time": "12:20", "text": "Anything that's a threat, it will focus its attention on that." }, { "end_time": "12:26", "start_time": "12:22", "text": "But all the other 300 comments of love and appreciation is not a threat." }, { "end_time": "12:28", "start_time": "12:26", "text": "So it's not gonna stimulate that same thing." }, { "end_time": "12:33", "start_time": "12:28", "text": "So when we accept this, we don't put ourselves down for, like, I need to meditate more because this affected me today." }, { "end_time": "12:34", "start_time": "12:33", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "12:35", "start_time": "12:34", "text": "It was meant to affect you." }, { "end_time": "12:38", "start_time": "12:35", "text": "Now how attached you are to that is your decision." }, { "end_time": "12:43", "start_time": "12:38", "text": "So if you're attached, attached, and entangled, then maybe you need to meditate more, chant more to, detach." }, { "end_time": "12:48", "start_time": "12:43", "text": "But if you're not, you see it, you recognize it as a threat, take action, block, do what you want and move on." }, { "end_time": "12:51", "start_time": "12:48", "text": "So, but the troll thing is nothing but projection." }, { "end_time": "13:00", "start_time": "12:51", "text": "These people are angry or they're trying to be you or they wanna be better than you or what you've achieved is what they've never been able to achieve." }, { "end_time": "13:02", "start_time": "13:00", "text": "So the only thing that they can do is try to pull you down." }, { "end_time": "13:05", "start_time": "13:02", "text": "And they can't do it physically so they do it behind screen." }, { "end_time": "13:12", "start_time": "13:05", "text": "I think this kind of clip from this particular episode is very important for the times that we live in because everyone's become a content creator." }, { "end_time": "13:12", "start_time": "13:12", "text": "No?" }, { "end_time": "13:14", "start_time": "13:12", "text": "That's what they say about the 2,020." }, { "end_time": "13:14", "start_time": "13:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:17", "start_time": "13:14", "text": "Every single human has become a content creator." }, { "end_time": "13:17", "start_time": "13:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:22", "start_time": "13:18", "text": "You know, man, I know you, I think, for, like, 2, 3 years now, maybe." }, { "end_time": "13:27", "start_time": "13:22", "text": "And you've always guided me at some important, junctures in my life." }, { "end_time": "13:32", "start_time": "13:27", "text": "I've never really, really asked you about the guy Luke." }, { "end_time": "13:37", "start_time": "13:32", "text": "I've always looked at you as for lack of a better word, like, you know, big bro." }, { "end_time": "13:42", "start_time": "13:37", "text": "But I've never asked you about what you were like when you were my age, what you were like in your mid twenties." }, { "end_time": "13:46", "start_time": "13:43", "text": "And I feel like you've gone through some shit that you don't address." }, { "end_time": "13:46", "start_time": "13:46", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "13:59", "start_time": "13:46", "text": "So this whole podcast is about that shit, man, that you don't put out online because you do I I know that you speak from your heart and every single piece of content you put up online, it's actually what you're feeling in the present." }, { "end_time": "13:59", "start_time": "13:59", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "14:02", "start_time": "13:59", "text": "And you're someone who doesn't really focus on your past." }, { "end_time": "14:05", "start_time": "14:02", "text": "You don't even call your struggle phase a struggling phase." }, { "end_time": "14:05", "start_time": "14:05", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "14:07", "start_time": "14:06", "text": "What happened?" }, { "end_time": "14:09", "start_time": "14:07", "text": "Like, take us back to that." }, { "end_time": "14:12", "start_time": "14:09", "text": "I mean, I know you don't like using that word, but take us back to that struggle." }, { "end_time": "14:15", "start_time": "14:12", "text": "Like, in your early twenties, mid twenties." }, { "end_time": "14:16", "start_time": "14:15", "text": "I'll be really really honest with you." }, { "end_time": "14:20", "start_time": "14:16", "text": "When I looked at this, okay, I've never had a struggle." }, { "end_time": "14:22", "start_time": "14:20", "text": "I've never seen anything as a struggle." }, { "end_time": "14:23", "start_time": "14:22", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "14:27", "start_time": "14:23", "text": "I think like, so if you ask me my story, there's no story." }, { "end_time": "14:31", "start_time": "14:27", "text": "I'm probably in chapter 2 or chapter 3, and I don't know what's gonna happen the next year." }, { "end_time": "14:34", "start_time": "14:31", "text": "I've gone with the flow always." }, { "end_time": "14:35", "start_time": "14:34", "text": "Go back to my DJ years." }, { "end_time": "14:36", "start_time": "14:35", "text": "I never knew I would do this." }, { "end_time": "14:37", "start_time": "14:36", "text": "One one second." }, { "end_time": "14:39", "start_time": "14:37", "text": "I just wanna give the audience some context." }, { "end_time": "14:39", "start_time": "14:39", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "14:41", "start_time": "14:39", "text": "Your health career started at age 34." }, { "end_time": "14:42", "start_time": "14:42", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "14:43", "start_time": "14:42", "text": "How old do you know?" }, { "end_time": "14:44", "start_time": "14:43", "text": "I am now 41." }, { "end_time": "14:45", "start_time": "14:44", "text": "41." }, { "end_time": "14:46", "start_time": "14:45", "text": "So that's like what?" }, { "end_time": "14:46", "start_time": "14:46", "text": "7 years?" }, { "end_time": "14:47", "start_time": "14:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:47", "start_time": "14:47", "text": "7 years." }, { "end_time": "14:49", "start_time": "14:47", "text": "So twenty 16 14?" }, { "end_time": "14:50", "start_time": "14:49", "text": "2013?" }, { "end_time": "14:51", "start_time": "14:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:54", "start_time": "14:51", "text": "What happened in the pre 2013 2014 basis?" }, { "end_time": "14:57", "start_time": "14:54", "text": "And and like you had like sort of a meteoric rise in this whole health world." }, { "end_time": "14:58", "start_time": "14:57", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "15:01", "start_time": "14:58", "text": "So I'm I'm gonna call it out right now because I don't have a story." }, { "end_time": "15:02", "start_time": "15:01", "text": "I was an IBM." }, { "end_time": "15:02", "start_time": "15:02", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "15:06", "start_time": "15:02", "text": "You know, about to become a deputy general manager and you know that whole thing." }, { "end_time": "15:08", "start_time": "15:06", "text": "You wanna become a GM and a VP and all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "15:10", "start_time": "15:08", "text": "And you always look at the people above you." }, { "end_time": "15:17", "start_time": "15:10", "text": "You know, the VPs, the senior managers, travelling business class all over the world, important meetings and stuff." }, { "end_time": "15:18", "start_time": "15:17", "text": "And I would just look at their lives." }, { "end_time": "15:21", "start_time": "15:18", "text": "1 had cholesterol, 1 had diabetes, 1 had whatever." }, { "end_time": "15:23", "start_time": "15:21", "text": "And I was like, you know, it doesn't make sense." }, { "end_time": "15:26", "start_time": "15:23", "text": "There was one who couldn't even fit into the seat of a business class." }, { "end_time": "15:27", "start_time": "15:26", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "15:29", "start_time": "15:27", "text": "So I was like, you know, something's wrong." }, { "end_time": "15:31", "start_time": "15:29", "text": "What is wrong over here?" }, { "end_time": "15:31", "start_time": "15:31", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "15:33", "start_time": "15:31", "text": "I identified a gap." }, { "end_time": "15:33", "start_time": "15:33", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "15:35", "start_time": "15:33", "text": "I have to tell you one point." }, { "end_time": "15:36", "start_time": "15:35", "text": "I wouldn't see it as a struggle." }, { "end_time": "15:38", "start_time": "15:36", "text": "I see it as a blessing because that's what shape that's what shaped my career." }, { "end_time": "15:40", "start_time": "15:38", "text": "I was into hardcore operations at IBM." }, { "end_time": "15:42", "start_time": "15:41", "text": "I had this boss." }, { "end_time": "15:43", "start_time": "15:42", "text": "His name was Vikas Varma." }, { "end_time": "15:44", "start_time": "15:43", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "15:49", "start_time": "15:44", "text": "And one day he came to me and said, Luke, you're gonna fail in operations because you don't like numbers." }, { "end_time": "15:51", "start_time": "15:49", "text": "Operation is all about excel." }, { "end_time": "15:51", "start_time": "15:51", "text": "And I don't." }, { "end_time": "15:57", "start_time": "15:51", "text": "He identified something that I was just trying to be good at because to succeed in operations you gotta be good at p and l and all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "15:58", "start_time": "15:58", "text": "He said, you know what?" }, { "end_time": "16:04", "start_time": "15:58", "text": "I'm gonna move you into learning and development because you know how to teach, you know, you know, you speak well and all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "16:10", "start_time": "16:04", "text": "So I was upset that night, like, you know, he discovered like a truth of mine, but he had the guts to call it out." }, { "end_time": "16:12", "start_time": "16:10", "text": "The next day I told him, yeah, let's move." }, { "end_time": "16:14", "start_time": "16:12", "text": "I moved to learning and development." }, { "end_time": "16:15", "start_time": "16:14", "text": "Beautiful position in IBM." }, { "end_time": "16:18", "start_time": "16:15", "text": "I had a lot more time to pursue my studies in nutrition." }, { "end_time": "16:20", "start_time": "16:18", "text": "So that was one thing that happened." }, { "end_time": "16:24", "start_time": "16:20", "text": "2 is if he had not pulled me out there, I would still be in the struggle of the corporate ladder." }, { "end_time": "16:25", "start_time": "16:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:25", "start_time": "16:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:28", "start_time": "16:25", "text": "So if you see, he pulled me out of the struggle, which he identified." }, { "end_time": "16:29", "start_time": "16:28", "text": "I didn't see it as a struggle." }, { "end_time": "16:32", "start_time": "16:29", "text": "For me it was like, you know, rat race rat race." }, { "end_time": "16:32", "start_time": "16:32", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "16:33", "start_time": "16:32", "text": "Fake it through the meetings." }, { "end_time": "16:36", "start_time": "16:33", "text": "Pretend you understand numbers and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "16:37", "start_time": "16:36", "text": "I didn't." }, { "end_time": "16:39", "start_time": "16:37", "text": "And then I moved into learning and development." }, { "end_time": "16:40", "start_time": "16:39", "text": "I had a lot more time to study." }, { "end_time": "16:43", "start_time": "16:40", "text": "And that's when I started I was working more closely with the VPs and stuff." }, { "end_time": "16:46", "start_time": "16:43", "text": "I noticed a gap that these people have the worst lifestyles." }, { "end_time": "16:48", "start_time": "16:47", "text": "So I was at the junction of my career." }, { "end_time": "16:53", "start_time": "16:48", "text": "Do I wanna get into nutrition, pediatrics, integrative medicine, all of these things." }, { "end_time": "16:56", "start_time": "16:53", "text": "And I said, there's enough of all of this happening in the world." }, { "end_time": "17:05", "start_time": "16:56", "text": "But no one is teaching people lifestyle, how to live, how to if you're busier, what do you need to do to stay busy, successful, but keep your health." }, { "end_time": "17:08", "start_time": "17:06", "text": "That was the game changer in my life, Ranveer." }, { "end_time": "17:15", "start_time": "17:08", "text": "I took lifestyle, got into lifestyle medicine, integrative medicine, merged everything together, and just filled the gap that no one was filling." }, { "end_time": "17:16", "start_time": "17:16", "text": "No one was filling." }, { "end_time": "17:25", "start_time": "17:16", "text": "So honestly, I've just been flowing through life and wherever I see a gap and I feel if I fill it, there's gonna be impact, I jump into it." }, { "end_time": "17:25", "start_time": "17:25", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "17:28", "start_time": "17:25", "text": "I don't even look to see what's gonna happen and stuff." }, { "end_time": "17:34", "start_time": "17:28", "text": "So 2 months I I started seeing patients and stuff and I said when I was probably earning about, what, 80,000 rupees at that time and I said, okay, fine." }, { "end_time": "17:36", "start_time": "17:34", "text": "Plus plus all of this." }, { "end_time": "17:40", "start_time": "17:36", "text": "So when I hit 1 lakh and my client consults, that's the time I leave." }, { "end_time": "17:41", "start_time": "17:40", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "17:45", "start_time": "17:41", "text": "But one night I realized, why am I so fearful about this?" }, { "end_time": "17:46", "start_time": "17:45", "text": "I know I'm good." }, { "end_time": "17:47", "start_time": "17:46", "text": "My clients are increasing." }, { "end_time": "17:48", "start_time": "17:47", "text": "I'm changing their lives and stuff." }, { "end_time": "17:51", "start_time": "17:48", "text": "I said, let me just resign and see what happens." }, { "end_time": "17:52", "start_time": "17:51", "text": "Best decision of my life." }, { "end_time": "17:56", "start_time": "17:52", "text": "From 1 lakh, it went up to, like, 10 lakhs the next month, to 15 lakhs." }, { "end_time": "17:58", "start_time": "17:56", "text": "Like, you know, it's just that fear." }, { "end_time": "18:00", "start_time": "17:58", "text": "You gotta overcome fear." }, { "end_time": "18:00", "start_time": "18:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:03", "start_time": "18:00", "text": "So I know I can't think of a story." }, { "end_time": "18:05", "start_time": "18:03", "text": "I had a great childhood." }, { "end_time": "18:09", "start_time": "18:05", "text": "I mean everyone, I'm in a family where my parents fought but it's not we're not damaged because of that." }, { "end_time": "18:14", "start_time": "18:09", "text": "I'm happy I saw that because I can relate to other families as well and realize that fighting is real." }, { "end_time": "18:15", "start_time": "18:14", "text": "People are different." }, { "end_time": "18:18", "start_time": "18:15", "text": "But what you can learn from that, my parents are still together." }, { "end_time": "18:20", "start_time": "18:18", "text": "They learn to forgive, we're back as a family." }, { "end_time": "18:22", "start_time": "18:20", "text": "We've grown up seeing forgiveness happen." }, { "end_time": "18:25", "start_time": "18:22", "text": "Maybe that's where we low key connect on a subconscious level." }, { "end_time": "18:26", "start_time": "18:25", "text": "Oh." }, { "end_time": "18:27", "start_time": "18:26", "text": "You didn't know that about me." }, { "end_time": "18:28", "start_time": "18:27", "text": "I didn't know that about you." }, { "end_time": "18:28", "start_time": "18:28", "text": "Oh, nice." }, { "end_time": "18:29", "start_time": "18:28", "text": "Until this point." }, { "end_time": "18:33", "start_time": "18:29", "text": "But I have a exact reflective parallel journey to what you just said." }, { "end_time": "18:35", "start_time": "18:34", "text": "Any friend, let's go on." }, { "end_time": "18:38", "start_time": "18:35", "text": "Family, kids, brothers and sisters, we still fight." }, { "end_time": "18:40", "start_time": "18:38", "text": "I'm in Goa for a year, staying with my parents." }, { "end_time": "18:41", "start_time": "18:40", "text": "That's why I went back to Goa." }, { "end_time": "18:41", "start_time": "18:41", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "18:46", "start_time": "18:41", "text": "Now I left home at the age of 18, and I'm going back at 41 and staying with them." }, { "end_time": "18:49", "start_time": "18:46", "text": "There are going to be differences, adjustments, staying." }, { "end_time": "18:55", "start_time": "18:50", "text": "I fought with my dad several times over this one year, but by dinner time we're fine and it's so healthy." }, { "end_time": "18:57", "start_time": "18:55", "text": "You know, so I think there's so much learning." }, { "end_time": "19:03", "start_time": "18:57", "text": "But you see today that urban audience that you speak about, oh there's a fight, okay let's get a therapist, let's get a counselor." }, { "end_time": "19:05", "start_time": "19:03", "text": "I mean screw it." }, { "end_time": "19:07", "start_time": "19:05", "text": "You know, I mean, I don't disrespect a counselor." }, { "end_time": "19:08", "start_time": "19:07", "text": "Some people need it." }, { "end_time": "19:10", "start_time": "19:08", "text": "But what are you doing to figure it out?" }, { "end_time": "19:13", "start_time": "19:10", "text": "So has the world projected a perfect family to you that doesn't fight?" }, { "end_time": "19:16", "start_time": "19:13", "text": "A perfect relationship where people don't go wrong?" }, { "end_time": "19:20", "start_time": "19:16", "text": "That's the projection of the world and that's where the suffering breeds from." }, { "end_time": "19:28", "start_time": "19:20", "text": "So a child today who has always been told that, oh, you're beautiful, you're the best, and they step out into the real world and people say, we don't give a fuck about you." }, { "end_time": "19:29", "start_time": "19:29", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "19:30", "start_time": "19:29", "text": "You're no one." }, { "end_time": "19:32", "start_time": "19:31", "text": "And then they're like, I need a therapist." }, { "end_time": "19:34", "start_time": "19:33", "text": "I need a therapist so no one loves me." }, { "end_time": "19:36", "start_time": "19:34", "text": "No one appreciates me." }, { "end_time": "19:37", "start_time": "19:36", "text": "Emotionally weak society." }, { "end_time": "19:38", "start_time": "19:38", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "19:39", "start_time": "19:38", "text": "Blame the parents." }, { "end_time": "19:39", "start_time": "19:39", "text": "Blame society." }, { "end_time": "19:41", "start_time": "19:39", "text": "Blame whatever and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "19:45", "start_time": "19:41", "text": "Love your child, but when you need to discipline them, you need to discipline them." }, { "end_time": "19:46", "start_time": "19:45", "text": "You need to call a spade a spade." }, { "end_time": "19:47", "start_time": "19:46", "text": "That's part of our bringing." }, { "end_time": "19:48", "start_time": "19:47", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:48", "start_time": "19:48", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "19:51", "start_time": "19:48", "text": "So I think I've not gone through a struggle." }, { "end_time": "19:53", "start_time": "19:51", "text": "Do I have a dark side of my life?" }, { "end_time": "19:54", "start_time": "19:53", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "19:54", "start_time": "19:54", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "20:01", "start_time": "19:55", "text": "I've done my share of stuff and whatever, but I can tell you, if I had not done that today, I wouldn't be who I am." }, { "end_time": "20:03", "start_time": "20:01", "text": "Because again, there's a lesson to take." }, { "end_time": "20:06", "start_time": "20:03", "text": "Of course, I've not killed anyone, not done anything bad that way." }, { "end_time": "20:09", "start_time": "20:06", "text": "But you know what guys do as we grow up, all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "20:13", "start_time": "20:09", "text": "I've had my share of broken relationships where I've broken them." }, { "end_time": "20:14", "start_time": "20:13", "text": "I've 2 times, I've 3 times." }, { "end_time": "20:15", "start_time": "20:14", "text": "I've gone through it." }, { "end_time": "20:15", "start_time": "20:15", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "20:17", "start_time": "20:15", "text": "Yes, maybe I shouldn't have caused the pain." }, { "end_time": "20:18", "start_time": "20:17", "text": "But there's a lesson." }, { "end_time": "20:19", "start_time": "20:18", "text": "What is the lesson?" }, { "end_time": "20:21", "start_time": "20:19", "text": "Okay, your actions cause hurt." }, { "end_time": "20:22", "start_time": "20:21", "text": "Small lesson." }, { "end_time": "20:23", "start_time": "20:22", "text": "Everyone deals with it." }, { "end_time": "20:25", "start_time": "20:23", "text": "But for me, who was I at that point?" }, { "end_time": "20:27", "start_time": "20:25", "text": "Why couldn't I be satisfied?" }, { "end_time": "20:28", "start_time": "20:27", "text": "Why couldn't I be?" }, { "end_time": "20:31", "start_time": "20:28", "text": "So I can look back at those relationships and say, I was never in love." }, { "end_time": "20:34", "start_time": "20:31", "text": "Don't fool yourself thinking that just because you're in a relationship you were in love." }, { "end_time": "20:38", "start_time": "20:34", "text": "For me it was curiosity, it was wonder, it was fun and all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "20:47", "start_time": "20:38", "text": "But accepting that today makes me more mature when I'm able to handle relationship problems of my clients and tell them it's okay, It's okay." }, { "end_time": "20:49", "start_time": "20:48", "text": "Don't think you messed up everything." }, { "end_time": "20:50", "start_time": "20:49", "text": "It is okay." }, { "end_time": "20:54", "start_time": "20:50", "text": "Because you're beating up your girlfriend or you're beating up your husband, that happens too." }, { "end_time": "20:55", "start_time": "20:54", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "20:56", "start_time": "20:55", "text": "That's not okay." }, { "end_time": "20:57", "start_time": "20:56", "text": "But if there's a problem, fix it." }, { "end_time": "20:59", "start_time": "20:57", "text": "If you don't wanna fix it, don't stay." }, { "end_time": "21:00", "start_time": "21:00", "text": "As simple as that." }, { "end_time": "21:05", "start_time": "21:00", "text": "You don't need a if you don't have the will to fix something, you don't need a counselor to try to fix that." }, { "end_time": "21:07", "start_time": "21:05", "text": "You made up your mind." }, { "end_time": "21:08", "start_time": "21:07", "text": "No one can change that." }, { "end_time": "21:09", "start_time": "21:08", "text": "Walk out." }, { "end_time": "21:10", "start_time": "21:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:20", "start_time": "21:10", "text": "So the dark phases in my life is that, but I cover it with light as quickly as possible because I'll tell you what, whoever I've worked with, everyone, you, me, all of us, we have a bright side and we have a dark side." }, { "end_time": "21:21", "start_time": "21:20", "text": "Be aware of your dark side." }, { "end_time": "21:22", "start_time": "21:21", "text": "Is it harming someone?" }, { "end_time": "21:23", "start_time": "21:22", "text": "Is it harming you?" }, { "end_time": "21:24", "start_time": "21:23", "text": "Is it draining you?" }, { "end_time": "21:25", "start_time": "21:24", "text": "All of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "21:26", "start_time": "21:25", "text": "You know, aim it." }, { "end_time": "21:27", "start_time": "21:26", "text": "Do what you want." }, { "end_time": "21:30", "start_time": "21:28", "text": "Otherwise, we do have brights and dark sides." }, { "end_time": "21:34", "start_time": "21:30", "text": "Now you wanna grow brighter, sort of darker, you know, it becomes less dark." }, { "end_time": "21:35", "start_time": "21:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:37", "start_time": "21:35", "text": "Everyone has it, but everyone's trying to be too good all the time." }, { "end_time": "21:38", "start_time": "21:37", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "21:40", "start_time": "21:38", "text": "Everyone's trying to be like, I'm this, I'm this, I'm this." }, { "end_time": "21:41", "start_time": "21:40", "text": "And I say, what about this, this, this?" }, { "end_time": "21:44", "start_time": "21:41", "text": "Your life is boring if you're only this this this and stuff." }, { "end_time": "21:47", "start_time": "21:44", "text": "Why are you ashamed of talking about it or whatever?" }, { "end_time": "21:48", "start_time": "21:47", "text": "That's what makes life beautiful." }, { "end_time": "21:49", "start_time": "21:49", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "21:51", "start_time": "21:49", "text": "That's what makes life beautiful." }, { "end_time": "21:55", "start_time": "21:51", "text": "So I really don't think I have a struggle in my life at all." }, { "end_time": "21:59", "start_time": "21:55", "text": "My biggest struggle is Mumbai traffic, which is now sorted because I'm in Goa." }, { "end_time": "22:01", "start_time": "21:59", "text": "You know, I don't I don't know how to handle it." }, { "end_time": "22:02", "start_time": "22:01", "text": "It frustrates me." }, { "end_time": "22:05", "start_time": "22:02", "text": "2 hours, I can be I can see, like, like, 4 patients, 5 patients." }, { "end_time": "22:07", "start_time": "22:05", "text": "I've not learned to deal with it." }, { "end_time": "22:08", "start_time": "22:07", "text": "I'll meditate, I'll chant, whatever." }, { "end_time": "22:09", "start_time": "22:09", "text": "But it's fixed." }, { "end_time": "22:10", "start_time": "22:09", "text": "I'm in Goa right now." }, { "end_time": "22:13", "start_time": "22:10", "text": "I I don't have a Mumbai, traffic struggle right now." }, { "end_time": "22:20", "start_time": "22:13", "text": "Well my my immediate solution for that problem in my life is I'm gonna sit in my car and I'm gonna make content." }, { "end_time": "22:23", "start_time": "22:20", "text": "Like I'm just gonna record myself doing something." }, { "end_time": "22:24", "start_time": "22:23", "text": "That's that's the immediate solution." }, { "end_time": "22:28", "start_time": "22:24", "text": "But, you know, from everything you said, there's so many aspects I wish to highlight." }, { "end_time": "22:32", "start_time": "22:28", "text": "There's a lot of people listening to this podcast right now who are like, you highlight the relationships part." }, { "end_time": "22:33", "start_time": "22:32", "text": "I wanna know more about Luke's relationships." }, { "end_time": "22:34", "start_time": "22:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:37", "start_time": "22:34", "text": "Just so you know, that's gonna be another whole episode that we'll record after this." }, { "end_time": "22:41", "start_time": "22:38", "text": "Therefore, I'm gonna go back to the theme of this podcast which is mental toughness." }, { "end_time": "22:42", "start_time": "22:41", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "22:49", "start_time": "22:43", "text": "I'm gonna say something controversial that might get me into some trouble but I'm saying it in a very general way." }, { "end_time": "22:57", "start_time": "22:49", "text": "You highlighted this whole aspect of therapists and psychologists who've dedicated their entire life to helping people and the mental health issues." }, { "end_time": "23:03", "start_time": "22:57", "text": "And I'm sure that they know about the human mind way deeper than people from other professions." }, { "end_time": "23:07", "start_time": "23:05", "text": "But and correct me if I'm wrong." }, { "end_time": "23:08", "start_time": "23:07", "text": "I'm asking you this question." }, { "end_time": "23:10", "start_time": "23:08", "text": "I'm not making any statements." }, { "end_time": "23:19", "start_time": "23:11", "text": "Do you believe that the human mind is, limited enough for someone to take all aspects of it and put it inside a textbook?" }, { "end_time": "23:20", "start_time": "23:19", "text": "Because impossible." }, { "end_time": "23:20", "start_time": "23:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:23", "start_time": "23:20", "text": "I I personally believe especially with psychology students." }, { "end_time": "23:25", "start_time": "23:23", "text": "I've spoken to a few students studying at Mumbai University." }, { "end_time": "23:28", "start_time": "23:25", "text": "They're very arrogant about the stuff they read in their textbooks." }, { "end_time": "23:35", "start_time": "23:28", "text": "For example, I know that there's a textbook in Mumbai University that actually just kind of calls meditation false." }, { "end_time": "23:36", "start_time": "23:35", "text": "It calls meditation fake." }, { "end_time": "23:38", "start_time": "23:36", "text": "That's not what Naval Ravikant says." }, { "end_time": "23:40", "start_time": "23:38", "text": "That's not what Luke Coutinho says." }, { "end_time": "23:41", "start_time": "23:40", "text": "That's not what my experiences have taught me." }, { "end_time": "23:44", "start_time": "23:41", "text": "I've had some out of body experiences in meditation." }, { "end_time": "23:48", "start_time": "23:44", "text": "I have seen my own mental health get better over time through consistent meditation." }, { "end_time": "23:50", "start_time": "23:48", "text": "I've seen my mental toughness increase to meditation." }, { "end_time": "23:50", "start_time": "23:50", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "23:53", "start_time": "23:50", "text": "And I feel that experience is the biggest teacher." }, { "end_time": "24:03", "start_time": "23:53", "text": "Honestly, maybe that was my own subjective experience, but I don't believe that psychology textbooks completely encapsulate the human mind." }, { "end_time": "24:11", "start_time": "24:03", "text": "And I have met some fantastic psychologists, some fantastic therapists who have learned through the experience of coaching or mentoring other people." }, { "end_time": "24:13", "start_time": "24:11", "text": "I feel that that's what teaches them the most." }, { "end_time": "24:18", "start_time": "24:13", "text": "But never limit your perspective on things because of the textbooks that you've read." }, { "end_time": "24:19", "start_time": "24:18", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "24:20", "start_time": "24:19", "text": "Textbooks are guides." }, { "end_time": "24:22", "start_time": "24:20", "text": "Now let's go back to medical science." }, { "end_time": "24:22", "start_time": "24:22", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "24:30", "start_time": "24:23", "text": "Anatomy is my favorite subject, But it gives me information and knowledge on how your heart works." }, { "end_time": "24:32", "start_time": "24:30", "text": "What will happen if your creat levels go up?" }, { "end_time": "24:34", "start_time": "24:32", "text": "What happens if you have plaque in your brain?" }, { "end_time": "24:36", "start_time": "24:34", "text": "You know, it's great as a benchmark." }, { "end_time": "24:37", "start_time": "24:36", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "24:38", "start_time": "24:37", "text": "Anatomy in a book." }, { "end_time": "24:39", "start_time": "24:38", "text": "That's a book." }, { "end_time": "24:41", "start_time": "24:40", "text": "Structure is right." }, { "end_time": "24:42", "start_time": "24:41", "text": "Everything is good." }, { "end_time": "24:43", "start_time": "24:42", "text": "But you are constantly changing." }, { "end_time": "24:44", "start_time": "24:44", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "24:55", "start_time": "24:44", "text": "Just because anatomy says that a plaque will happen in the age groups of 50 to 60, okay, doesn't mean we start looking at it only when you're 50 or 60." }, { "end_time": "25:01", "start_time": "24:55", "text": "It's a process that has started probably when you're 30 because you have low vitamin B12, you're sleep deprived." }, { "end_time": "25:05", "start_time": "25:01", "text": "Example, that's where the book is great, but that's where it ends." }, { "end_time": "25:11", "start_time": "25:06", "text": "Now for me, I want to know how can I prevent that plaque from coming in your brain?" }, { "end_time": "25:13", "start_time": "25:11", "text": "So I'm going to look beyond that." }, { "end_time": "25:19", "start_time": "25:13", "text": "But just because science isn't looking beyond that and they haven't put the pieces together, doesn't mean you're wrong." }, { "end_time": "25:23", "start_time": "25:19", "text": "So psychology, yes, there's a process, there's a book and all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "25:28", "start_time": "25:23", "text": "But your brain is constantly evolving and changing every second." }, { "end_time": "25:29", "start_time": "25:29", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "25:36", "start_time": "25:30", "text": "How can you just take textbook knowledge and put it into a solution for your brain and your emotional problem?" }, { "end_time": "25:38", "start_time": "25:37", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "25:40", "start_time": "25:38", "text": "Someone's going through a divorce, it's the same thing." }, { "end_time": "25:41", "start_time": "25:41", "text": "Accept it." }, { "end_time": "25:43", "start_time": "25:42", "text": "Start going out." }, { "end_time": "25:43", "start_time": "25:43", "text": "Start doing this." }, { "end_time": "25:44", "start_time": "25:43", "text": "Start doing it." }, { "end_time": "25:44", "start_time": "25:44", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "25:46", "start_time": "25:44", "text": "How are you changing?" }, { "end_time": "25:49", "start_time": "25:46", "text": "What role did you play in your own suffering?" }, { "end_time": "25:55", "start_time": "25:49", "text": "They're trying to make you feel better all the time by taking responsibility out of you." }, { "end_time": "26:02", "start_time": "25:55", "text": "But when it comes down to depression, even and a lot of people who are depressed, they don't like when I say this, it's your responsibility at the end of the day." }, { "end_time": "26:03", "start_time": "26:02", "text": "Take help." }, { "end_time": "26:04", "start_time": "26:03", "text": "Take a coach, go to a psychologist." }, { "end_time": "26:06", "start_time": "26:04", "text": "I have psychologists on my team." }, { "end_time": "26:07", "start_time": "26:06", "text": "That's why we say integrative medicine." }, { "end_time": "26:14", "start_time": "26:07", "text": "I know a psychologist cannot fix my patient alone without us looking at their meditation on one side, their yoga." }, { "end_time": "26:17", "start_time": "26:14", "text": "So if my psychologist doesn't believe in meditation, that's fine." }, { "end_time": "26:18", "start_time": "26:17", "text": "You do your bit." }, { "end_time": "26:23", "start_time": "26:18", "text": "My meditation teacher will take over and teach this person meditation because it is needed." }, { "end_time": "26:24", "start_time": "26:23", "text": "So that's what integrative medicine." }, { "end_time": "26:25", "start_time": "26:24", "text": "That is what we do." }, { "end_time": "26:28", "start_time": "26:25", "text": "We take the patient what you need, not what the textbook says." }, { "end_time": "26:29", "start_time": "26:29", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "26:31", "start_time": "26:29", "text": "We won't break the rules of the textbook." }, { "end_time": "26:41", "start_time": "26:31", "text": "But if I feel Ranveer needs a higher protein diet and a higher carb diet because he's carb efficient, I'm not gonna look at a textbook that says, oh, low carb is the best." }, { "end_time": "26:42", "start_time": "26:42", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "26:46", "start_time": "26:42", "text": "Because if I put a CGM monitor on you and I find out that you are carb efficient, guess what?" }, { "end_time": "26:48", "start_time": "26:46", "text": "You're gonna lose more weight with carbs." }, { "end_time": "26:50", "start_time": "26:48", "text": "So I'm treating you as an individual." }, { "end_time": "26:50", "start_time": "26:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:52", "start_time": "26:50", "text": "I'm using the knowledge of the textbook." }, { "end_time": "26:53", "start_time": "26:52", "text": "So you are absolutely right." }, { "end_time": "26:59", "start_time": "26:53", "text": "People who put and see, that's the difference between a successful psychologist and a psychologist who's not so successful." }, { "end_time": "27:01", "start_time": "27:00", "text": "My point is everyone studied the same thing." }, { "end_time": "27:03", "start_time": "27:01", "text": "All of you all should be A class psychologists." }, { "end_time": "27:04", "start_time": "27:03", "text": "What's the difference?" }, { "end_time": "27:05", "start_time": "27:04", "text": "Curiosity." }, { "end_time": "27:07", "start_time": "27:05", "text": "Curiosity and experience." }, { "end_time": "27:11", "start_time": "27:07", "text": "One person goes beyond and uses experience and textbook knowledge." }, { "end_time": "27:19", "start_time": "27:11", "text": "The other person who's probably not made it yet is still stuck in a textbook and is trying to fit the patient in a box in the textbook." }, { "end_time": "27:21", "start_time": "27:20", "text": "It can never ever work that way." }, { "end_time": "27:27", "start_time": "27:21", "text": "I always get a simple example, 100 A plus doctors will pass out of Harvard and Yale Medical College every year." }, { "end_time": "27:30", "start_time": "27:27", "text": "How many of them will make it as the most successful doctors?" }, { "end_time": "27:31", "start_time": "27:30", "text": "2, 3 or 4?" }, { "end_time": "27:32", "start_time": "27:31", "text": "Why not 100?" }, { "end_time": "27:34", "start_time": "27:32", "text": "Same textbook, same knowledge, same professors." }, { "end_time": "27:36", "start_time": "27:35", "text": "What's the difference?" }, { "end_time": "27:42", "start_time": "27:36", "text": "The person, the experience, how much they went the extra mile to fuse everything together and give a result." }, { "end_time": "27:52", "start_time": "27:42", "text": "But those who are still stuck in this textbook textbook writing articles about saturated fat is bad for you, you know, like still articles coming out from leading institutes across the world." }, { "end_time": "27:54", "start_time": "27:52", "text": "You know, that's what I mean." }, { "end_time": "27:56", "start_time": "27:54", "text": "They're textbook, you know, bound." }, { "end_time": "27:57", "start_time": "27:56", "text": "And that's the problem." }, { "end_time": "27:59", "start_time": "27:57", "text": "So look correct me if I'm wrong." }, { "end_time": "28:03", "start_time": "27:59", "text": "Now this is from my fitness only days when I saw only great fitness content." }, { "end_time": "28:10", "start_time": "28:03", "text": "I had to deep dive into fitness and, what I realized is that there's multiple schools of thought." }, { "end_time": "28:10", "start_time": "28:10", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "28:14", "start_time": "28:10", "text": "When it comes to fitness Some of which are extremely contradictory." }, { "end_time": "28:15", "start_time": "28:15", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "28:20", "start_time": "28:16", "text": "Now there's also multiple studies that back those multiple schools." }, { "end_time": "28:20", "start_time": "28:20", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "28:24", "start_time": "28:20", "text": "So school a will say, oh, keto, no carb." }, { "end_time": "28:25", "start_time": "28:24", "text": "And there's lots of studies that back that." }, { "end_time": "28:28", "start_time": "28:25", "text": "And then school b will say say vegan." }, { "end_time": "28:29", "start_time": "28:28", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "28:29", "start_time": "28:29", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "28:30", "start_time": "28:29", "text": "Oh, and there's studies that back that." }, { "end_time": "28:31", "start_time": "28:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:34", "start_time": "28:31", "text": "School c will say balanced and the studies that back that." }, { "end_time": "28:40", "start_time": "28:36", "text": "Studies are something that you can manipulate." }, { "end_time": "28:40", "start_time": "28:40", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "28:41", "start_time": "28:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:43", "start_time": "28:41", "text": "Like, you can change certain Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "28:44", "start_time": "28:43", "text": "That's what my learning was." }, { "end_time": "28:53", "start_time": "28:44", "text": "When I deep dive into stuff, people used factors in those studies to come to conclusions, which could easily be twisted." }, { "end_time": "28:59", "start_time": "28:53", "text": "As in they chose factors that were obviously more beneficial to the conclusion they wanted to reach." }, { "end_time": "28:59", "start_time": "28:59", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "28:59", "start_time": "28:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:06", "start_time": "28:59", "text": "And that's why I realized that yo, you can't really rely on these fitness studies for, the ultimate truth." }, { "end_time": "29:06", "start_time": "29:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:10", "start_time": "29:06", "text": "And then the more I worked with clients, the more I met people like yourself." }, { "end_time": "29:12", "start_time": "29:10", "text": "I realized that it's so subjective." }, { "end_time": "29:22", "start_time": "29:13", "text": "What works for a particular mind or a particular body or a particular weight loss experience for someone or weight gain experience for someone is very subjective to the individual." }, { "end_time": "29:24", "start_time": "29:22", "text": "And you can't say that oh, there's a study that's come out." }, { "end_time": "29:25", "start_time": "29:24", "text": "That's why I'm saying it." }, { "end_time": "29:26", "start_time": "29:25", "text": "Oh, there's a book that's come out." }, { "end_time": "29:27", "start_time": "29:26", "text": "That's why I'm saying it." }, { "end_time": "29:29", "start_time": "29:27", "text": "But we have top fitness professionals." }, { "end_time": "29:39", "start_time": "29:29", "text": "We have people who own fitness academies putting up, you know, stuff that only backs school a or school b or school c or school d and their whole life becomes centered around that." }, { "end_time": "29:43", "start_time": "29:39", "text": "And they're not willing to accept that the human body is different for everyone." }, { "end_time": "29:48", "start_time": "29:43", "text": "And, what you said about, you know, with with integrative medicine, you have a team now." }, { "end_time": "29:48", "start_time": "29:48", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "29:50", "start_time": "29:48", "text": "And the team approaches the same problem from 5 directions." }, { "end_time": "29:51", "start_time": "29:50", "text": "Correct." }, { "end_time": "29:57", "start_time": "29:51", "text": "This is so much more a team sport where different experiences and different learnings come together and help that one person." }, { "end_time": "29:58", "start_time": "29:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:04", "start_time": "29:58", "text": "Because that one person has such a varied subjective experience versus only one person helping your patient Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:08", "start_time": "30:04", "text": "And saying that, oh, I've studied this school a, so you've gotta listen to school a." }, { "end_time": "30:10", "start_time": "30:09", "text": "Am I right in saying this?" }, { "end_time": "30:11", "start_time": "30:10", "text": "You're absolutely right." }, { "end_time": "30:12", "start_time": "30:11", "text": "And let me give you an example." }, { "end_time": "30:12", "start_time": "30:12", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "30:14", "start_time": "30:12", "text": "Most of the studies are manipulated." }, { "end_time": "30:15", "start_time": "30:14", "text": "We know that today." }, { "end_time": "30:16", "start_time": "30:15", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "30:28", "start_time": "30:16", "text": "Today, I mean the more and more you see it on the news, top studies have been manipulated, people have been paid 1,000 and 1,000 of US dollars to manipulate, and because it comes with from a recognized institute, everyone believes, we would like to believe." }, { "end_time": "30:31", "start_time": "30:28", "text": "That would be an ideal world where we don't have to do the thinking." }, { "end_time": "30:32", "start_time": "30:32", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "30:35", "start_time": "30:32", "text": "So you can't base your dynamics." }, { "end_time": "30:38", "start_time": "30:35", "text": "You're made up of physiology, biology, chemistry on a study." }, { "end_time": "30:43", "start_time": "30:38", "text": "Now I will use a study if today one of my patients is on a blood thinner." }, { "end_time": "30:44", "start_time": "30:44", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "30:46", "start_time": "30:44", "text": "And an Ayurvedic doctor says, hey." }, { "end_time": "30:46", "start_time": "30:46", "text": "Listen." }, { "end_time": "30:47", "start_time": "30:46", "text": "I wanna put you on ashwagandha." }, { "end_time": "30:49", "start_time": "30:48", "text": "I wanna know how they contradict." }, { "end_time": "30:56", "start_time": "30:49", "text": "I will look at studies to see what's possibly come safe and then make a decision because you never know even how that's going to interact in the body." }, { "end_time": "30:58", "start_time": "30:56", "text": "So that can give me some base to a decision." }, { "end_time": "31:06", "start_time": "30:59", "text": "But all these studies of fitness, go back, look at people like Arnold Schwarzenegger, you know, all of these, Vintore and Yates." }, { "end_time": "31:09", "start_time": "31:06", "text": "Do you think they even referred to one study in their life?" }, { "end_time": "31:11", "start_time": "31:09", "text": "They followed a principle of progression." }, { "end_time": "31:12", "start_time": "31:12", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "31:17", "start_time": "31:12", "text": "More protein, more progression, more muscle tear, and I have muscle build." }, { "end_time": "31:21", "start_time": "31:18", "text": "A principle which they believed in and they went through this." }, { "end_time": "31:25", "start_time": "31:21", "text": "Do you think at the start of Arnold Schwarzenegger's career they even had as many studies as we have?" }, { "end_time": "31:27", "start_time": "31:26", "text": "You see, I've noticed another thing." }, { "end_time": "31:30", "start_time": "31:27", "text": "A lot of people today, they're not connected inwards." }, { "end_time": "31:36", "start_time": "31:30", "text": "They don't they're scared to make a decision using their own logic and they don't want to think." }, { "end_time": "31:38", "start_time": "31:36", "text": "So they hide behind studies." }, { "end_time": "31:39", "start_time": "31:38", "text": "They go to extremes." }, { "end_time": "31:42", "start_time": "31:40", "text": "Like, I have nothing against vegans, carnivores, I don't know." }, { "end_time": "31:46", "start_time": "31:43", "text": "But a lot of these people, it's a sense of identity for them." }, { "end_time": "31:47", "start_time": "31:46", "text": "I'm vegan." }, { "end_time": "31:48", "start_time": "31:47", "text": "I'm carnivore." }, { "end_time": "31:49", "start_time": "31:48", "text": "I'm whatever." }, { "end_time": "31:50", "start_time": "31:49", "text": "Be what you want." }, { "end_time": "31:51", "start_time": "31:50", "text": "Stay calm." }, { "end_time": "31:53", "start_time": "31:51", "text": "Is it working for you?" }, { "end_time": "31:53", "start_time": "31:53", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "31:59", "start_time": "31:53", "text": "Don't say I'm vegan and then come to me and say I have this issue, I'm carnivore, and then come to say I have cholesterol issues." }, { "end_time": "31:59", "start_time": "31:59", "text": "Be humble about it." }, { "end_time": "32:02", "start_time": "31:59", "text": "If it suits you, it works for you, beautiful." }, { "end_time": "32:02", "start_time": "32:02", "text": "Go." }, { "end_time": "32:09", "start_time": "32:02", "text": "Don't try and change the world by coming up with 10 studies which can also be proven completely wrong by another department." }, { "end_time": "32:13", "start_time": "32:09", "text": "So I think people are wasting their lives behind these studies trying to push things out." }, { "end_time": "32:14", "start_time": "32:13", "text": "It's ego at the end." }, { "end_time": "32:15", "start_time": "32:14", "text": "It's ego and no." }, { "end_time": "32:17", "start_time": "32:15", "text": "It's it's way deeper than that." }, { "end_time": "32:19", "start_time": "32:17", "text": "It's an attention seeking mechanism." }, { "end_time": "32:20", "start_time": "32:19", "text": "I'll tell you why." }, { "end_time": "32:24", "start_time": "32:20", "text": "You only move to extremes when you want a sense of identity." }, { "end_time": "32:26", "start_time": "32:24", "text": "There's nothing wrong with keto." }, { "end_time": "32:26", "start_time": "32:26", "text": "Suits you?" }, { "end_time": "32:27", "start_time": "32:26", "text": "Do it." }, { "end_time": "32:28", "start_time": "32:27", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "32:30", "start_time": "32:28", "text": "If it's not sustainable, don't do it." }, { "end_time": "32:31", "start_time": "32:30", "text": "Change to something else." }, { "end_time": "32:33", "start_time": "32:31", "text": "Go back 10, 15, 20 years." }, { "end_time": "32:39", "start_time": "32:33", "text": "Did our, did the people in that generation need a study to tell them what to eat or were they more intuitive?" }, { "end_time": "32:39", "start_time": "32:39", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "32:42", "start_time": "32:39", "text": "When I eat more fat and protein, I have mental clarity." }, { "end_time": "32:43", "start_time": "32:42", "text": "I lose weight." }, { "end_time": "32:43", "start_time": "32:43", "text": "I feel good." }, { "end_time": "32:44", "start_time": "32:43", "text": "That's my diet." }, { "end_time": "32:45", "start_time": "32:45", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "32:46", "start_time": "32:45", "text": "Oh, I feel better on carbs." }, { "end_time": "32:47", "start_time": "32:46", "text": "I'm gonna eat carbs." }, { "end_time": "32:50", "start_time": "32:47", "text": "Oh, I feel horrible when I'm sitting at home and not working out." }, { "end_time": "32:54", "start_time": "32:51", "text": "They were intuitive and everyone has a different body." }, { "end_time": "32:58", "start_time": "32:55", "text": "So I can't go out and say low carb is the way forward." }, { "end_time": "33:01", "start_time": "32:58", "text": "I have diabetics eating medium carbs and they're doing fantastically well." }, { "end_time": "33:08", "start_time": "33:02", "text": "I have people who go low carb and their blood sugar levels, you know, plummet down and they have bigger problems when they wake up in the morning." }, { "end_time": "33:10", "start_time": "33:08", "text": "Everyone is individual." }, { "end_time": "33:16", "start_time": "33:10", "text": "So hiding behind a study, see, it can possibly give you that move, to move into a direction." }, { "end_time": "33:25", "start_time": "33:17", "text": "But you claim and you, you know, grasp onto that study, you know, it's right, and you ask them 3 or 4 like ask them one question, why are you doing this?" }, { "end_time": "33:28", "start_time": "33:25", "text": "Most of them don't have an answer to why." }, { "end_time": "33:29", "start_time": "33:28", "text": "They're like, oh no no, but vegan is good." }, { "end_time": "33:31", "start_time": "33:29", "text": "But why why are you doing it?" }, { "end_time": "33:34", "start_time": "33:31", "text": "So someone says, oh I blow it up and I have milk and stuff.' Super answer." }, { "end_time": "33:38", "start_time": "33:34", "text": "But most people are like, oh, you know, there are studies that say this." }, { "end_time": "33:44", "start_time": "33:38", "text": "Why you?' So I'm saying, see, there are good studies as well, but most of them can be controlled." }, { "end_time": "33:49", "start_time": "33:44", "text": "My point is, when it comes to things like lifestyle, you don't need a study to tell you to meditate." }, { "end_time": "33:53", "start_time": "33:50", "text": "You don't need a study to tell you to do deep breathing exercises." }, { "end_time": "33:54", "start_time": "33:53", "text": "This is common sense." }, { "end_time": "33:57", "start_time": "33:54", "text": "You don't need a study to tell you these things." }, { "end_time": "34:02", "start_time": "33:57", "text": "My point is if you're connected in words and you're listening, your body is talking to you all the time." }, { "end_time": "34:06", "start_time": "34:02", "text": "Hey, what you ate didn't make me feel good, but you're going on eating the same stuff." }, { "end_time": "34:06", "start_time": "34:06", "text": "Stupidity." }, { "end_time": "34:12", "start_time": "34:07", "text": "And then you wanna look at studies and go on to an extreme measure where the only change was you're overeating." }, { "end_time": "34:15", "start_time": "34:12", "text": "You don't need an extreme change, you need to stop overeating." }, { "end_time": "34:21", "start_time": "34:15", "text": "So I think we've lost that intuitive skill because that's unfortunately what social media and everything does, right?" }, { "end_time": "34:23", "start_time": "34:21", "text": "We're connected outwards." }, { "end_time": "34:27", "start_time": "34:23", "text": "So we don't know how to connect in and rely on our own inner voice." }, { "end_time": "34:32", "start_time": "34:27", "text": "Like look, there's a breakup today or a girl wants a breakup or a boy or a boy wants a breakup or whatever." }, { "end_time": "34:34", "start_time": "34:32", "text": "You have to speak to 10 friends for validation." }, { "end_time": "34:36", "start_time": "34:34", "text": "My point is, what do you want to do?" }, { "end_time": "34:38", "start_time": "34:37", "text": "Oh, I don't know." }, { "end_time": "34:39", "start_time": "34:38", "text": "How can you not know what you want to do?" }, { "end_time": "34:44", "start_time": "34:40", "text": "So that means you are going to base your entire relationship on 10 of your friends." }, { "end_time": "34:45", "start_time": "34:44", "text": "They're opinions." }, { "end_time": "34:46", "start_time": "34:45", "text": "They're not facts." }, { "end_time": "34:47", "start_time": "34:46", "text": "There's a big difference." }, { "end_time": "34:48", "start_time": "34:47", "text": "What is your feeling?" }, { "end_time": "34:54", "start_time": "34:48", "text": "They can't even they need validation to even make a decision of whether I should see this boy or this girl or break up." }, { "end_time": "34:55", "start_time": "34:55", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "34:57", "start_time": "34:55", "text": "And that's dangerous, society." }, { "end_time": "34:58", "start_time": "34:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:59", "start_time": "34:58", "text": "That's very dangerous." }, { "end_time": "34:59", "start_time": "34:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:00", "start_time": "34:59", "text": "Because people are gonna change." }, { "end_time": "35:02", "start_time": "35:00", "text": "Opinions are gonna change." }, { "end_time": "35:03", "start_time": "35:02", "text": "Facts stay the same." }, { "end_time": "35:04", "start_time": "35:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:06", "start_time": "35:04", "text": "So we have to lean more towards facts." }, { "end_time": "35:08", "start_time": "35:06", "text": "Oh, you know what, man?" }, { "end_time": "35:13", "start_time": "35:08", "text": "Like, I was scanning some of Monk Entertainment's young talents." }, { "end_time": "35:23", "start_time": "35:13", "text": "Now there's these bunch of Mumbai kids 18 years old 19 years old they came out with this little podcast, this guy called Dave Rayani and a friend of mine, Panisha." }, { "end_time": "35:25", "start_time": "35:24", "text": "They were 18." }, { "end_time": "35:44", "start_time": "35:25", "text": "They are 18 and they are speaking about some really deep shit I'm like I didn't think like this when I was 18 and they say that like these kids who are 18 years old one of them was talking about the younger sister who's 13 years old and they said that oh my 13 year old sister is way more different than I am." }, { "end_time": "35:47", "start_time": "35:44", "text": "She's even more intelligent, even deeper." }, { "end_time": "35:49", "start_time": "35:47", "text": "She thinks differently at 13 than I did." }, { "end_time": "35:55", "start_time": "35:50", "text": "A 13 year old of 2021 is what born in 2008 where Facebook was at its peak." }, { "end_time": "35:56", "start_time": "35:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:57", "start_time": "35:56", "text": "She was born into a world of social media." }, { "end_time": "35:59", "start_time": "35:57", "text": "She was born into a world of information." }, { "end_time": "35:59", "start_time": "35:59", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "36:03", "start_time": "35:59", "text": "So I feel that that generation is a double edged sword." }, { "end_time": "36:04", "start_time": "36:03", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "36:04", "start_time": "36:04", "text": "Double edged sword?" }, { "end_time": "36:05", "start_time": "36:04", "text": "That's what it's called." }, { "end_time": "36:05", "start_time": "36:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:05", "start_time": "36:05", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "36:06", "start_time": "36:06", "text": "Both ways." }, { "end_time": "36:07", "start_time": "36:06", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "36:07", "start_time": "36:07", "text": "That Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "36:09", "start_time": "36:07", "text": "You'll be extremely intelligent Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:12", "start_time": "36:09", "text": "And deep slash you'll have so much information that'll mess you up." }, { "end_time": "36:13", "start_time": "36:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:15", "start_time": "36:14", "text": "That's the world we're going into." }, { "end_time": "36:16", "start_time": "36:15", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "36:24", "start_time": "36:16", "text": "And I kind of for some reason, because of what happened in the lockdown and people went so much within themselves, I am a little optimistic about that generation after lockdown." }, { "end_time": "36:25", "start_time": "36:24", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "36:26", "start_time": "36:25", "text": "Before the lockdown, I would have said no." }, { "end_time": "36:26", "start_time": "36:26", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "36:27", "start_time": "36:26", "text": "I'm a little worried for you guys." }, { "end_time": "36:28", "start_time": "36:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:36", "start_time": "36:28", "text": "I feel people have people are kind of awakening to intuition again and concepts of going within yourself, looking within yourself, concepts like meditation." }, { "end_time": "36:40", "start_time": "36:36", "text": "People are understanding that how it's something that can add to your mental fitness, add to your mental toughness." }, { "end_time": "36:46", "start_time": "36:41", "text": "The generations that have taken a hit are the nineties born generations and the eighties born generation, which is mine." }, { "end_time": "36:48", "start_time": "36:46", "text": "And I see that around me." }, { "end_time": "36:48", "start_time": "36:48", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "36:51", "start_time": "36:48", "text": "I go to a Soho House." }, { "end_time": "36:52", "start_time": "36:51", "text": "I go to a club." }, { "end_time": "36:52", "start_time": "36:52", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "37:00", "start_time": "36:52", "text": "I speak to people my age, people a little older than me who are dealing with tons of divorces, tons of, you know, just general issues." }, { "end_time": "37:05", "start_time": "37:00", "text": "These 20 years, 1980 to 1999 Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "37:13", "start_time": "37:05", "text": "People born in that phase are probably the most, I'd say, mentally weak almost, man, which is exactly why I wanna highlight your life again." }, { "end_time": "37:14", "start_time": "37:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "37:16", "start_time": "37:14", "text": "What was your twenties like?" }, { "end_time": "37:19", "start_time": "37:16", "text": "Were you were you thinking about some really big shit?" }, { "end_time": "37:24", "start_time": "37:19", "text": "Because I think you've achieved kind of the dream for a lot of health professionals." }, { "end_time": "37:25", "start_time": "37:24", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "37:27", "start_time": "37:25", "text": "So in your twenties, were you putting pressure on yourself?" }, { "end_time": "37:28", "start_time": "37:27", "text": "Because that's what my generation is." }, { "end_time": "37:29", "start_time": "37:28", "text": "I went with the flow." }, { "end_time": "37:31", "start_time": "37:30", "text": "In in my twenties, I didn't know what I wanted to do." }, { "end_time": "37:33", "start_time": "37:31", "text": "But were you were you visualizing your life?" }, { "end_time": "37:34", "start_time": "37:33", "text": "Never." }, { "end_time": "37:38", "start_time": "37:34", "text": "I learned visualization only when I saw how it worked on my patients." }, { "end_time": "37:39", "start_time": "37:38", "text": "I began to believe in it." }, { "end_time": "37:41", "start_time": "37:40", "text": "When you went You know what?" }, { "end_time": "37:42", "start_time": "37:41", "text": "I can share this truth." }, { "end_time": "37:47", "start_time": "37:44", "text": "I wasn't a good student, and this is not negative self talk." }, { "end_time": "37:47", "start_time": "37:47", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "37:50", "start_time": "37:47", "text": "When I say that, I'm gonna tell you why I wasn't a good student." }, { "end_time": "37:52", "start_time": "37:50", "text": "I couldn't understand complication." }, { "end_time": "37:56", "start_time": "37:53", "text": "I couldn't understand anything that was complicated." }, { "end_time": "38:01", "start_time": "37:56", "text": "My brain could pick up things which were simple and, you know, thrive on that." }, { "end_time": "38:01", "start_time": "38:01", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "38:03", "start_time": "38:01", "text": "Which is true knowledge?" }, { "end_time": "38:04", "start_time": "38:03", "text": "Which is true knowledge." }, { "end_time": "38:04", "start_time": "38:04", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "38:10", "start_time": "38:04", "text": "So I was really bad in math, physics, barely scraped through class, all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "38:19", "start_time": "38:10", "text": "So even when I moved into this field, everyone around me couldn't believe that I can talk like, you know, medical science the way I do it today." }, { "end_time": "38:20", "start_time": "38:19", "text": "I reflected on this." }, { "end_time": "38:22", "start_time": "38:20", "text": "What changed in me?" }, { "end_time": "38:23", "start_time": "38:22", "text": "I wasn't aspiring for it." }, { "end_time": "38:26", "start_time": "38:23", "text": "I didn't have this dream I want to be this health professional." }, { "end_time": "38:28", "start_time": "38:27", "text": "Absolutely not." }, { "end_time": "38:29", "start_time": "38:28", "text": "You know what I realized?" }, { "end_time": "38:30", "start_time": "38:29", "text": "And this is my truth." }, { "end_time": "38:39", "start_time": "38:30", "text": "Because my brain can't see complication, I can look at the most complicated problem and my brain will try to simplify it so I can understand it." }, { "end_time": "38:48", "start_time": "38:39", "text": "So you come with me with a ton of reports and a ton of symptoms, my brain is gonna look for the simplest things that could have caused this and build on it." }, { "end_time": "38:50", "start_time": "38:48", "text": "And often And that's my success." }, { "end_time": "38:51", "start_time": "38:50", "text": "And people aren't willing to accept that." }, { "end_time": "38:54", "start_time": "38:51", "text": "That the complicated problems can be that simple." }, { "end_time": "38:55", "start_time": "38:54", "text": "All my complicated cases." }, { "end_time": "39:01", "start_time": "38:55", "text": "I mean, I have medical doctors on my team today who say, Luke, the complicated cases are solved by the simplest solutions." }, { "end_time": "39:04", "start_time": "39:01", "text": "For that, you've got to be hard to accept the truth." }, { "end_time": "39:11", "start_time": "39:04", "text": "So if I'm here to tell you today that your hormonal imbalance, not you, is because of sleep deprivation, I am telling you the truth." }, { "end_time": "39:14", "start_time": "39:11", "text": "Now you not wanting to believe it doesn't change the truth." }, { "end_time": "39:18", "start_time": "39:14", "text": "So the people who believe it, they're like, 'Look, my endometriosis has disappeared." }, { "end_time": "39:21", "start_time": "39:18", "text": "I don't need surgery.' Am I a genius?" }, { "end_time": "39:22", "start_time": "39:21", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "39:28", "start_time": "39:22", "text": "I just told you something which makes sense to me, which is the truth, which can also be backed by studies." }, { "end_time": "39:32", "start_time": "39:28", "text": "Example, for the people who will want to study that oh, I need to sleep well." }, { "end_time": "39:32", "start_time": "39:32", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "39:33", "start_time": "39:32", "text": "That's it." }, { "end_time": "39:39", "start_time": "39:33", "text": "So for me, I have taken a weakness which I thought was always a weakness and today that's become my biggest strength." }, { "end_time": "39:41", "start_time": "39:40", "text": "My biggest strength." }, { "end_time": "39:48", "start_time": "39:41", "text": "So if my CFO comes up with a complicated business expansion plan, okay, I just tell him simplify it in 5 bullet points." }, { "end_time": "39:50", "start_time": "39:48", "text": "And if it makes sense to me, do it." }, { "end_time": "39:53", "start_time": "39:50", "text": "If it doesn't make sense, I don't wanna be involved in it." }, { "end_time": "39:54", "start_time": "39:53", "text": "I don't want to be pulled into complications." }, { "end_time": "39:57", "start_time": "39:55", "text": "So that's honestly my only thing, you know." }, { "end_time": "40:00", "start_time": "39:57", "text": "So if I look back that's why I always say it's never a struggle." }, { "end_time": "40:07", "start_time": "40:00", "text": "I mean, because I've always looked at it, if it's a struggle I've made it into something which is super super beneficial for me." }, { "end_time": "40:10", "start_time": "40:07", "text": "And that's, you know, you keep saying I'm positive, that's how it is." }, { "end_time": "40:13", "start_time": "40:10", "text": "I mean, whatever mistakes I've seen, I've taken away with it." }, { "end_time": "40:16", "start_time": "40:13", "text": "I can't change who may have gotten hurt in the process." }, { "end_time": "40:16", "start_time": "40:16", "text": "I can't." }, { "end_time": "40:27", "start_time": "40:16", "text": "I can intend not to do that again, but I can only move forward and see who I was at that point, who she was at that point, who the patient was at that point and build a new story out of it." }, { "end_time": "40:31", "start_time": "40:27", "text": "So technically in my twenties, let me go back to my twenties, what was I doing?" }, { "end_time": "40:34", "start_time": "40:32", "text": "In twenties I probably hit Dubai at that point." }, { "end_time": "40:36", "start_time": "40:34", "text": "I got selected for an interview." }, { "end_time": "40:41", "start_time": "40:36", "text": "I went in for a base position interview, but I decided to put the higher position, like a team leader." }, { "end_time": "40:42", "start_time": "40:41", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "40:43", "start_time": "40:42", "text": "And I got selected." }, { "end_time": "40:45", "start_time": "40:43", "text": "And everyone was like, you don't even have a year of experience." }, { "end_time": "40:47", "start_time": "40:45", "text": "But the truth is I got selected." }, { "end_time": "40:49", "start_time": "40:47", "text": "So I moved in a higher position to Dubai." }, { "end_time": "40:54", "start_time": "40:49", "text": "From Dubai I moved to London, from London I came back to India, from there I went back to Dubai." }, { "end_time": "40:55", "start_time": "40:54", "text": "I was just going with the flow." }, { "end_time": "40:59", "start_time": "40:56", "text": "Didn't know what I wanted to do until I finished 10 years in IBM." }, { "end_time": "41:01", "start_time": "41:00", "text": "That's when life hit me." }, { "end_time": "41:06", "start_time": "41:01", "text": "And I believe that if life hit me with this health professional in my 20 fives, I would have failed." }, { "end_time": "41:11", "start_time": "41:06", "text": "I didn't have maturity, I didn't have drive and the want to make that my thing." }, { "end_time": "41:14", "start_time": "41:11", "text": "So I believe life pushed me through this journey which is 0." }, { "end_time": "41:16", "start_time": "41:14", "text": "People say Luke, what if you started this when you were 24?" }, { "end_time": "41:18", "start_time": "41:16", "text": "I said, I wouldn't be successful." }, { "end_time": "41:20", "start_time": "41:18", "text": "I was not meant to do this at 24." }, { "end_time": "41:25", "start_time": "41:20", "text": "There's a time and place for everyone in life, for everyone." }, { "end_time": "41:27", "start_time": "41:25", "text": "And I grew up with my dad telling me that." }, { "end_time": "41:29", "start_time": "41:27", "text": "He said, don't try to push your time before." }, { "end_time": "41:30", "start_time": "41:29", "text": "There's a time and place." }, { "end_time": "41:31", "start_time": "41:30", "text": "It is planned." }, { "end_time": "41:32", "start_time": "41:31", "text": "It is written." }, { "end_time": "41:33", "start_time": "41:32", "text": "You can't change that." }, { "end_time": "41:35", "start_time": "41:33", "text": "You can't change certain things in life." }, { "end_time": "41:39", "start_time": "41:35", "text": "And today, I wouldn't change anything in my past at all." }, { "end_time": "41:39", "start_time": "41:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "41:40", "start_time": "41:39", "text": "I wouldn't change anything." }, { "end_time": "41:41", "start_time": "41:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "41:55", "start_time": "41:42", "text": "I definitely wanna ask you a lot about your business journey because I believe that the same mindset that you used to go this deep into the world of health, you have used it to some extent in your business career as well, in your professional life." }, { "end_time": "41:59", "start_time": "41:55", "text": "But before that, I just wanna highlight 3 things that I get from your journey." }, { "end_time": "41:59", "start_time": "41:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:01", "start_time": "41:59", "text": "The first is that you're a forever learner." }, { "end_time": "42:03", "start_time": "42:01", "text": "That's the most basic You never stop learning." }, { "end_time": "42:04", "start_time": "42:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:06", "start_time": "42:04", "text": "That's your biggest strength also." }, { "end_time": "42:20", "start_time": "42:06", "text": "And I feel that, that's something very underrated in the modern day because especially when you're in a scientific field like medicine or engineering, you're always told in college that, oh, if you wanna make it big you've gotta learn a crazy amount." }, { "end_time": "42:24", "start_time": "42:20", "text": "And that process of learning is kind of made fearful for a lot of kids." }, { "end_time": "42:29", "start_time": "42:24", "text": "But when you actually get out in the real world and you begin your learning process, you realize, oh, it was just this?" }, { "end_time": "42:29", "start_time": "42:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:30", "start_time": "42:29", "text": "I figured it out." }, { "end_time": "42:31", "start_time": "42:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:36", "start_time": "42:31", "text": "When for example, if you think of, Elon Musk who's creating SpaceX." }, { "end_time": "42:36", "start_time": "42:36", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "42:37", "start_time": "42:36", "text": "He taught himself rocket science." }, { "end_time": "42:41", "start_time": "42:37", "text": "And on a podcast with Joe Rogan, he's explained rocket science in detail in simple words." }, { "end_time": "42:42", "start_time": "42:41", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "42:42", "start_time": "42:42", "text": "That, okay." }, { "end_time": "42:43", "start_time": "42:42", "text": "This is what you need." }, { "end_time": "42:44", "start_time": "42:43", "text": "This is how I figured it out." }, { "end_time": "42:50", "start_time": "42:44", "text": "And you realize that even something as complicated as rocket science is just about grit in that learning process." }, { "end_time": "42:50", "start_time": "42:50", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "42:52", "start_time": "42:50", "text": "That's one thing I wanna highlight about you." }, { "end_time": "42:59", "start_time": "42:52", "text": "The second thing I wanna highlight about you is probably something you don't give yourself enough credit for, which is maybe genetic, maybe due to childhood experiences." }, { "end_time": "43:00", "start_time": "42:59", "text": "You're a great communicator." }, { "end_time": "43:04", "start_time": "43:00", "text": "You're a great orator, Which again is why you probably got selected as a team leader." }, { "end_time": "43:05", "start_time": "43:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "43:13", "start_time": "43:05", "text": "And the third thing is, again it kind of highlights that learning process but it's a quote of Steve Jobs that stayed with me all my life." }, { "end_time": "43:14", "start_time": "43:13", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "43:17", "start_time": "43:14", "text": "So Steve Jobs said that this one quote changes his entire life." }, { "end_time": "43:25", "start_time": "43:17", "text": "He says that the moment you realize that the entire world was created by people no smarter than yourself is where everything changes for you." }, { "end_time": "43:32", "start_time": "43:25", "text": "Where once you realize that you can create a world that works according to your rules, that's why everything changes." }, { "end_time": "43:34", "start_time": "43:32", "text": "But you need to have the balls to think that way." }, { "end_time": "43:36", "start_time": "43:35", "text": "I think you need guts." }, { "end_time": "43:36", "start_time": "43:36", "text": "See no fear." }, { "end_time": "43:38", "start_time": "43:36", "text": "You gotta put fear on the side." }, { "end_time": "43:40", "start_time": "43:38", "text": "Like a lot of people say, Luca, you know, you're the best." }, { "end_time": "43:43", "start_time": "43:40", "text": "And then no, I say I'm the best in my mind." }, { "end_time": "43:45", "start_time": "43:43", "text": "I have to be, it's not in an arrogant way." }, { "end_time": "43:50", "start_time": "43:45", "text": "People around me can be better, I can learn from them, all of that." }, { "end_time": "43:56", "start_time": "43:50", "text": "But when I'm treating a patient, if I don't think I'm the best in my mind, how am I gonna treat a cancer patient?" }, { "end_time": "43:59", "start_time": "43:56", "text": "I have to be the best in my mind, open to learning." }, { "end_time": "44:01", "start_time": "44:00", "text": "Not the best that I know at all." }, { "end_time": "44:05", "start_time": "44:01", "text": "That's a really bad attitude." }, { "end_time": "44:07", "start_time": "44:05", "text": "Thinking you're the best and that no one is better than you." }, { "end_time": "44:10", "start_time": "44:07", "text": "I know there are people better around me and I can learn from them." }, { "end_time": "44:13", "start_time": "44:10", "text": "But when I'm treating someone, I have to be the best in my mind." }, { "end_time": "44:17", "start_time": "44:13", "text": "Otherwise why will you put your life in my hands if I'm not the best in my mind?" }, { "end_time": "44:21", "start_time": "44:17", "text": "So it comes down to your mindset at the end of the day and absolutely." }, { "end_time": "44:23", "start_time": "44:21", "text": "And I think I've been blessed with a lot of luck." }, { "end_time": "44:35", "start_time": "44:23", "text": "I've always been lucky, some people say it's not lucky, some you know, I think what's worked for me honestly, even I've gotten out of like I told you relationships, this, that, whatever, I've never done anything with the wrong intention." }, { "end_time": "44:51", "start_time": "44:35", "text": "Even the worst things in my life that I shouldn't have done, my intention was never negative, never to harm someone, never to like, if I two timed a girl, I'm telling you honestly right now, I don't care what people say, it was because I didn't know how to say no to the first girl." }, { "end_time": "44:53", "start_time": "44:51", "text": "You know, I didn't want to hurt her." }, { "end_time": "44:56", "start_time": "44:53", "text": "Now I know, you know, you are going to hurt her when she finds out." }, { "end_time": "44:57", "start_time": "44:56", "text": "I just didn't know how to do it." }, { "end_time": "45:00", "start_time": "44:57", "text": "So today when I look back, okay, I don't like confrontation." }, { "end_time": "45:02", "start_time": "45:00", "text": "I have to learn how to be okay with confrontation." }, { "end_time": "45:07", "start_time": "45:02", "text": "But my intention was never like, oh wow, I can get laid on both sides, I can get this." }, { "end_time": "45:09", "start_time": "45:07", "text": "It was never never ever that intention." }, { "end_time": "45:16", "start_time": "45:09", "text": "So I believe that my luck or whatever you, you know, you call it has come always because there's been pure intention behind everything." }, { "end_time": "45:18", "start_time": "45:16", "text": "So when people say, hey, wow, you're lucky." }, { "end_time": "45:20", "start_time": "45:18", "text": "I just think that I never had a bad intention." }, { "end_time": "45:22", "start_time": "45:20", "text": "It's never been so that's my belief." }, { "end_time": "45:25", "start_time": "45:22", "text": "It doesn't have to be other people's stories, but this is my story." }, { "end_time": "45:26", "start_time": "45:25", "text": "It's my belief." }, { "end_time": "45:28", "start_time": "45:26", "text": "That's what I think has worked for me." }, { "end_time": "45:34", "start_time": "45:28", "text": "Because I think a lot of people who look up to us, you know, a lot of I keep telling my fans and followers, don't try to be me." }, { "end_time": "45:36", "start_time": "45:34", "text": "Me is working for me." }, { "end_time": "45:40", "start_time": "45:36", "text": "You may wanna take away one thing from that, but don't try to be me." }, { "end_time": "45:42", "start_time": "45:40", "text": "I've never had a role model in my life." }, { "end_time": "45:43", "start_time": "45:42", "text": "I can't be that person." }, { "end_time": "45:47", "start_time": "45:43", "text": "But I can take away a little bit from, you know, whoever my role models are." }, { "end_time": "45:49", "start_time": "45:47", "text": "A little bit from Mike Tyson." }, { "end_time": "45:50", "start_time": "45:49", "text": "A little bit from Tupac." }, { "end_time": "45:51", "start_time": "45:51", "text": "Example, whatever." }, { "end_time": "45:54", "start_time": "45:52", "text": "I can't say like I wanna be like them." }, { "end_time": "45:54", "start_time": "45:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:54", "start_time": "45:54", "text": "You can't." }, { "end_time": "45:55", "start_time": "45:55", "text": "You can't." }, { "end_time": "45:57", "start_time": "45:56", "text": "So I think it comes from there." }, { "end_time": "45:57", "start_time": "45:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:03", "start_time": "45:57", "text": "So I have this theory about life that I've repeatedly understood is the right theory." }, { "end_time": "46:03", "start_time": "46:03", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "46:07", "start_time": "46:03", "text": "So according to me, life boils down to being a cheesecake." }, { "end_time": "46:08", "start_time": "46:07", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "46:11", "start_time": "46:08", "text": "A cheesecake is made up of your bottom layer which is your crusty biscuit." }, { "end_time": "46:16", "start_time": "46:12", "text": "And then it's made up it's made up also of your cheese and cream on the top." }, { "end_time": "46:17", "start_time": "46:16", "text": "Which is the other layer." }, { "end_time": "46:19", "start_time": "46:17", "text": "It's the brown layer and the yellow layer." }, { "end_time": "46:22", "start_time": "46:20", "text": "The brown layer is who you are as a person." }, { "end_time": "46:23", "start_time": "46:22", "text": "The crust." }, { "end_time": "46:24", "start_time": "46:23", "text": "What's inside?" }, { "end_time": "46:25", "start_time": "46:24", "text": "What's the base of it?" }, { "end_time": "46:26", "start_time": "46:25", "text": "Are you a good person?" }, { "end_time": "46:27", "start_time": "46:26", "text": "Do you have good intentions for other people?" }, { "end_time": "46:29", "start_time": "46:27", "text": "Are you doing good things in the world?" }, { "end_time": "46:35", "start_time": "46:30", "text": "The top layer is your level of domination." }, { "end_time": "46:41", "start_time": "46:35", "text": "This is something I've been teaching my team a lot because I saw it as a missing link in a lot of people within my team." }, { "end_time": "46:43", "start_time": "46:41", "text": "Domination is the spirit of backing yourself." }, { "end_time": "46:45", "start_time": "46:44", "text": "Going after things." }, { "end_time": "46:52", "start_time": "46:45", "text": "Whether that's you giving your all to a relationship or you giving your all to your career mixed with domination in your learning process." }, { "end_time": "46:52", "start_time": "46:52", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "46:54", "start_time": "46:52", "text": "That chasing learning." }, { "end_time": "46:54", "start_time": "46:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:56", "start_time": "46:54", "text": "Going behind learning with everything you've got." }, { "end_time": "46:57", "start_time": "46:56", "text": "Correct." }, { "end_time": "46:57", "start_time": "46:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:01", "start_time": "46:57", "text": "You mix that spirit of domination of your learning with domination with your work." }, { "end_time": "47:03", "start_time": "47:01", "text": "That's your yellow layer of cheese." }, { "end_time": "47:03", "start_time": "47:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:06", "start_time": "47:03", "text": "And your crust is who you are as a person and your karma." }, { "end_time": "47:07", "start_time": "47:06", "text": "That that makes a good cheesecake." }, { "end_time": "47:09", "start_time": "47:08", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:09", "start_time": "47:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:09", "start_time": "47:09", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "47:10", "start_time": "47:09", "text": "That's beautifully put." }, { "end_time": "47:11", "start_time": "47:10", "text": "Beautifully put." }, { "end_time": "47:11", "start_time": "47:11", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "47:13", "start_time": "47:11", "text": "See, the crust can't really be changed." }, { "end_time": "47:14", "start_time": "47:13", "text": "It can be built on." }, { "end_time": "47:23", "start_time": "47:14", "text": "Like you said, the layers, what you put over there, it can be changed over time with a lot of, you know, going back to your childhood, changing the things that didn't work for you back then, and all of those things." }, { "end_time": "47:26", "start_time": "47:23", "text": "But, yeah, that's a brilliant brilliant way of explaining it." }, { "end_time": "47:27", "start_time": "47:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:32", "start_time": "47:27", "text": "Which now brings me to how you applied the cheesecake to your business career, man." }, { "end_time": "47:36", "start_time": "47:32", "text": "Like, because you had corporate experience, which I'm sure taught you people skills." }, { "end_time": "47:38", "start_time": "47:36", "text": "It taught you how the corporate world works." }, { "end_time": "47:39", "start_time": "47:38", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "47:41", "start_time": "47:39", "text": "Again a couple of things I wanna highlight." }, { "end_time": "47:45", "start_time": "47:42", "text": "You're not from an overly privileged or anything like that." }, { "end_time": "47:46", "start_time": "47:45", "text": "Correct." }, { "end_time": "47:46", "start_time": "47:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:49", "start_time": "47:46", "text": "That's an excuse that a lot of people use." }, { "end_time": "47:51", "start_time": "47:49", "text": "I am from a privileged background, honestly." }, { "end_time": "47:59", "start_time": "47:52", "text": "The best thing my dad ever did for me was the moment I got out of college, he had a tough conversation with me where he said that I will let you stay in the house that I've built." }, { "end_time": "48:02", "start_time": "47:59", "text": "I will not give you a single rupee to begin your own thing." }, { "end_time": "48:04", "start_time": "48:02", "text": "Your pocket money stops from today." }, { "end_time": "48:06", "start_time": "48:04", "text": "You are going to figure out how to earn your own money." }, { "end_time": "48:09", "start_time": "48:06", "text": "And if you wanna start a business, I'm not even gonna give you a loan." }, { "end_time": "48:09", "start_time": "48:09", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "48:11", "start_time": "48:09", "text": "You bootstrap from the get go." }, { "end_time": "48:11", "start_time": "48:11", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "48:18", "start_time": "48:12", "text": "While that was a tough listen for me, it put my back against the wall and I asked myself what are the skills that I know right now?" }, { "end_time": "48:19", "start_time": "48:18", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:21", "start_time": "48:19", "text": "I studied fitness in college." }, { "end_time": "48:22", "start_time": "48:21", "text": "I knew I could sell that fitness." }, { "end_time": "48:23", "start_time": "48:22", "text": "Who am I gonna sell that fitness to?" }, { "end_time": "48:25", "start_time": "48:23", "text": "I didn't have any clients at 22." }, { "end_time": "48:29", "start_time": "48:26", "text": "So I literally went up to people at Carter Road Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "48:31", "start_time": "48:29", "text": "And I kind of did a sales ploy." }, { "end_time": "48:32", "start_time": "48:31", "text": "I mean, I was doing sales back then." }, { "end_time": "48:35", "start_time": "48:32", "text": "I didn't know that I was doing sales, but I was selling myself." }, { "end_time": "48:35", "start_time": "48:35", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "48:36", "start_time": "48:35", "text": "I was just speaking confidently." }, { "end_time": "48:37", "start_time": "48:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:40", "start_time": "48:37", "text": "Pointing out their flaws in very positive ways." }, { "end_time": "48:41", "start_time": "48:40", "text": "Pointing out their insecurities." }, { "end_time": "48:46", "start_time": "48:42", "text": "Told a couple of ambitious looking teenagers that yo, maybe you need some fitness help." }, { "end_time": "48:47", "start_time": "48:46", "text": "I'll help you." }, { "end_time": "48:48", "start_time": "48:47", "text": "I'll be that guy for you." }, { "end_time": "48:52", "start_time": "48:48", "text": "I get a message on my Facebook page saying I'm interested in taking your coaching." }, { "end_time": "48:55", "start_time": "48:52", "text": "Those are my first few clients and I was able to pay for myself like that." }, { "end_time": "48:59", "start_time": "48:55", "text": "The money I made through the training I didn't spend on partying." }, { "end_time": "49:01", "start_time": "48:59", "text": "I spent on my YouTube equipment." }, { "end_time": "49:04", "start_time": "49:01", "text": "I spent on the train travel that I did to Bandra Nandiri." }, { "end_time": "49:06", "start_time": "49:04", "text": "I spent on building my own career." }, { "end_time": "49:12", "start_time": "49:06", "text": "People often see someone from a slightly more privileged background and think that even they've had it easier." }, { "end_time": "49:15", "start_time": "49:12", "text": "And I'm not saying I've had it as difficult as many people have." }, { "end_time": "49:21", "start_time": "49:15", "text": "People also believe that I had a backup plan which maybe I did, man, but I never went to that mentality." }, { "end_time": "49:23", "start_time": "49:21", "text": "I always went to the mentality of, okay, whatever." }, { "end_time": "49:24", "start_time": "49:23", "text": "That's fine." }, { "end_time": "49:25", "start_time": "49:24", "text": "I'm gonna look forward." }, { "end_time": "49:26", "start_time": "49:25", "text": "I'm gonna do my own thing." }, { "end_time": "49:27", "start_time": "49:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:28", "start_time": "49:27", "text": "You weren't in that position." }, { "end_time": "49:29", "start_time": "49:28", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "49:31", "start_time": "49:29", "text": "You had earned money through your corporate life." }, { "end_time": "49:31", "start_time": "49:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:32", "start_time": "49:31", "text": "You had saved up some stuff." }, { "end_time": "49:36", "start_time": "49:33", "text": "And my gauge of you is that you probably gave yourself 3 to 6 months." }, { "end_time": "49:37", "start_time": "49:36", "text": "You said that, okay." }, { "end_time": "49:44", "start_time": "49:37", "text": "I'm gonna budget out these 3 to 6 months, but I'm gonna dominate and go for it in terms of building my own career." }, { "end_time": "49:48", "start_time": "49:44", "text": "I'm gonna build my own business with this little backup of this money that I've saved." }, { "end_time": "49:48", "start_time": "49:48", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "49:49", "start_time": "49:48", "text": "And then you backed your skills." }, { "end_time": "49:50", "start_time": "49:49", "text": "You backed your learning process." }, { "end_time": "49:52", "start_time": "49:50", "text": "You backed your sales skills." }, { "end_time": "49:55", "start_time": "49:52", "text": "You backed your idea of preparing yourself." }, { "end_time": "49:55", "start_time": "49:55", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "49:59", "start_time": "49:55", "text": "Is that what happened in that phase when you were switching from corporate to business?" }, { "end_time": "50:00", "start_time": "49:59", "text": "So I'm gonna remove all the masks." }, { "end_time": "50:03", "start_time": "50:00", "text": "I don't think I have a mask on since I started with you anyway." }, { "end_time": "50:03", "start_time": "50:03", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "50:05", "start_time": "50:03", "text": "So this is we have a pretty similar story there." }, { "end_time": "50:08", "start_time": "50:05", "text": "My dad said when you're 18, you're out of the house." }, { "end_time": "50:09", "start_time": "50:08", "text": "In my case, okay?" }, { "end_time": "50:12", "start_time": "50:10", "text": "You can go where you want, whatever." }, { "end_time": "50:15", "start_time": "50:12", "text": "You do your first tattoo, get your first ear piercing when you're 18." }, { "end_time": "50:18", "start_time": "50:15", "text": "So the moment I was 18 I went and got my first tattoo, whatever." }, { "end_time": "50:21", "start_time": "50:18", "text": "The next day I was on a bus from Goa to Bombay with $200 in my pocket." }, { "end_time": "50:22", "start_time": "50:22", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "50:23", "start_time": "50:22", "text": "Sorry, that's a lie." }, { "end_time": "50:24", "start_time": "50:23", "text": "That's a lie." }, { "end_time": "50:27", "start_time": "50:24", "text": "I had about $10 which is a lot of money." }, { "end_time": "50:30", "start_time": "50:27", "text": "All my DJ money, my collected money, I had a nice music system." }, { "end_time": "50:32", "start_time": "50:30", "text": "$10 in my pocket, I headed to Bombay." }, { "end_time": "50:33", "start_time": "50:32", "text": "I was lucky." }, { "end_time": "50:35", "start_time": "50:33", "text": "My mom had a place in Bandra." }, { "end_time": "50:35", "start_time": "50:35", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "50:45", "start_time": "50:35", "text": "Which I got kicked out of 6 months later because my mom's brother was a priest And, he wasn't too happy when he found, like, a chilam in his chalice and the cupboard and stuff." }, { "end_time": "50:46", "start_time": "50:45", "text": "So I was kicked out." }, { "end_time": "50:47", "start_time": "50:46", "text": "Had to rent and stuff." }, { "end_time": "50:48", "start_time": "50:47", "text": "But but super journey." }, { "end_time": "50:49", "start_time": "50:48", "text": "No regrets." }, { "end_time": "50:50", "start_time": "50:49", "text": "It was like fun." }, { "end_time": "50:51", "start_time": "50:50", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "50:51", "start_time": "50:51", "text": "I came." }, { "end_time": "50:53", "start_time": "50:51", "text": "I worked in a I worked in Mcdonalds." }, { "end_time": "50:54", "start_time": "50:53", "text": "I was in IHM." }, { "end_time": "50:54", "start_time": "50:54", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "50:55", "start_time": "50:54", "text": "I was in IHM." }, { "end_time": "50:56", "start_time": "50:55", "text": "I got picked up on campus." }, { "end_time": "51:03", "start_time": "50:56", "text": "So there was this whole management course for 6 months where you come, you work in all departments, clean toilets, do all of that stuff, and then you become a management trainee." }, { "end_time": "51:04", "start_time": "51:03", "text": "Stipend was $500." }, { "end_time": "51:05", "start_time": "51:04", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "51:07", "start_time": "51:05", "text": "I was at the Andheri McDonald's and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "51:10", "start_time": "51:07", "text": "You can't live in Bombay on $500 even at that point." }, { "end_time": "51:10", "start_time": "51:10", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "51:14", "start_time": "51:10", "text": "So I would have all my meals, burgers, shakes, all of that stuff at McDonald's." }, { "end_time": "51:16", "start_time": "51:14", "text": "Go back home, I realized this isn't gonna be it." }, { "end_time": "51:19", "start_time": "51:16", "text": "Call centers were sprouting up in the country at that point." }, { "end_time": "51:19", "start_time": "51:19", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "51:20", "start_time": "51:19", "text": "Salary of $7,000." }, { "end_time": "51:23", "start_time": "51:20", "text": "I said from $500 to 7,000, huge." }, { "end_time": "51:24", "start_time": "51:23", "text": "Just go." }, { "end_time": "51:29", "start_time": "51:24", "text": "And over there you're put into this call center with loads and loads of people, party life, all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "51:32", "start_time": "51:29", "text": "So I worked in a call center for 1 and a half year, time of my life." }, { "end_time": "51:33", "start_time": "51:32", "text": "Beautiful stuff." }, { "end_time": "51:38", "start_time": "51:33", "text": "That's when I got picked up for the interview in Dubai, where they came to select call center agents." }, { "end_time": "51:41", "start_time": "51:38", "text": "I said, let me try for a team leader position, applied, got through." }, { "end_time": "51:42", "start_time": "51:41", "text": "Massive." }, { "end_time": "51:44", "start_time": "51:42", "text": "So went on a slightly higher salary over there." }, { "end_time": "51:52", "start_time": "51:45", "text": "The money I saved in Dubai and all of that stuff, I would send a little money home, I would send a little money, to my parents, all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "51:56", "start_time": "51:52", "text": "Not that they even needed it, but I felt like doing it." }, { "end_time": "52:01", "start_time": "51:56", "text": "When I came back after a couple of months in Dubai, I took whatever money I had saved and I bought an Enfield." }, { "end_time": "52:02", "start_time": "52:02", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "52:04", "start_time": "52:02", "text": "Absolutely no life plan at all." }, { "end_time": "52:07", "start_time": "52:05", "text": "I think I must mention my dad here." }, { "end_time": "52:10", "start_time": "52:07", "text": "He's brought us up with this word called providence and we've seen it." }, { "end_time": "52:11", "start_time": "52:10", "text": "What is that?" }, { "end_time": "52:14", "start_time": "52:11", "text": "We've always believed in providence means you're being looked after." }, { "end_time": "52:17", "start_time": "52:14", "text": "This doesn't mean you sit at home and don't work." }, { "end_time": "52:19", "start_time": "52:17", "text": "Do your best but you're being looked after." }, { "end_time": "52:23", "start_time": "52:19", "text": "And I've seen Providence in my dad's life like anything." }, { "end_time": "52:25", "start_time": "52:23", "text": "He was the general manager of Caterpillar." }, { "end_time": "52:29", "start_time": "52:25", "text": "You know, life private jets to Switzerland, all that jazz and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "52:33", "start_time": "52:29", "text": "Retired at a very young age because he wanted to move back to Goa and be with the kids." }, { "end_time": "52:36", "start_time": "52:33", "text": "So all of that stuff, you know, he did that." }, { "end_time": "52:37", "start_time": "52:36", "text": "He made his money, came back." }, { "end_time": "52:41", "start_time": "52:37", "text": "We had a very, very mediocre, decent childhood and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "52:43", "start_time": "52:41", "text": "But he always told us, I will give you all the best education." }, { "end_time": "52:48", "start_time": "52:43", "text": "After that, You're on your own because you have 6 siblings and I gotta look after all of them." }, { "end_time": "52:48", "start_time": "52:48", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "52:51", "start_time": "52:48", "text": "So this providence and I think it's ingrained in me." }, { "end_time": "52:54", "start_time": "52:51", "text": "I always believed that as long as I'm working hard, I'll be looked after." }, { "end_time": "53:00", "start_time": "52:54", "text": "So I went back to London, came back, made a little bit of money, joined IBM on a salary of maybe 20,000." }, { "end_time": "53:01", "start_time": "53:00", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "53:02", "start_time": "53:01", "text": "Worked and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "53:06", "start_time": "53:02", "text": "Now let me tell you, and I and I wanna I wanna tell you this part of the story." }, { "end_time": "53:11", "start_time": "53:06", "text": "When I quit IBM, I got married a year before 1 year before I quit IBM." }, { "end_time": "53:11", "start_time": "53:11", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "53:17", "start_time": "53:13", "text": "I spent 6 lakhs on my wedding, 5 to 6 with the ring and all of that jazz." }, { "end_time": "53:21", "start_time": "53:17", "text": "You know, Catholic weddings are not you don't have all these fancy things, peaceful, fun, all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "53:34", "start_time": "53:22", "text": "In my total savings, I would have had around maybe 15 to 16 lakhs, okay, which clearly shows you I didn't really save much." }, { "end_time": "53:35", "start_time": "53:34", "text": "I didn't splurge either." }, { "end_time": "53:36", "start_time": "53:35", "text": "I lived." }, { "end_time": "53:37", "start_time": "53:36", "text": "I paid a rent in Bandra." }, { "end_time": "53:38", "start_time": "53:37", "text": "I wanted to stay in Bandra." }, { "end_time": "53:40", "start_time": "53:38", "text": "I paid a rent of 40,000, all of that jazz." }, { "end_time": "53:45", "start_time": "53:40", "text": "And, you know, I didn't need money to start my business because my business was exactly like you." }, { "end_time": "53:48", "start_time": "53:45", "text": "When I was in IBM, how do I get my first client?" }, { "end_time": "53:48", "start_time": "53:48", "text": "It was the biggest." }, { "end_time": "53:49", "start_time": "53:49", "text": "It was Luke." }, { "end_time": "53:50", "start_time": "53:50", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "53:52", "start_time": "53:50", "text": "We had a Britisher in IBM." }, { "end_time": "53:54", "start_time": "53:52", "text": "She was managing an account." }, { "end_time": "53:56", "start_time": "53:54", "text": "And she was like, Luke, I have all these problems." }, { "end_time": "53:57", "start_time": "53:56", "text": "I said, do this, this, this." }, { "end_time": "53:58", "start_time": "53:57", "text": "Sorted her out." }, { "end_time": "54:03", "start_time": "53:58", "text": "She then spoke to a diamond jeweler, okay, whose apartment she was renting in Johu." }, { "end_time": "54:04", "start_time": "54:04", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "54:09", "start_time": "54:04", "text": "I don't wanna mention that guy's name right now for various reasons." }, { "end_time": "54:10", "start_time": "54:09", "text": "He called me." }, { "end_time": "54:11", "start_time": "54:10", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "54:12", "start_time": "54:11", "text": "Overweight guy." }, { "end_time": "54:14", "start_time": "54:12", "text": "He said, stop working with me and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "54:15", "start_time": "54:14", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "54:18", "start_time": "54:15", "text": "My my fee was like $2.50, 300 because I'm, like, trying to please people." }, { "end_time": "54:20", "start_time": "54:18", "text": "I want them to like me for what I do." }, { "end_time": "54:21", "start_time": "54:20", "text": "Sorted him out." }, { "end_time": "54:24", "start_time": "54:21", "text": "Next thing I was on a plane to Belgium because the whole diamond community is there." }, { "end_time": "54:28", "start_time": "54:24", "text": "So this guy Luke, he with Gujarati food he helped me to lose weight." }, { "end_time": "54:32", "start_time": "54:28", "text": "So word-of-mouth went around, he's not gonna stuff your kakras and your dholas and stuff." }, { "end_time": "54:41", "start_time": "54:32", "text": "So I was put on to a flight to Belgium, and every single day meeting, you know, all of these diamond community people, building, understanding health, all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "54:42", "start_time": "54:41", "text": "So I got into that." }, { "end_time": "54:43", "start_time": "54:42", "text": "I didn't need money for that." }, { "end_time": "54:44", "start_time": "54:43", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "54:45", "start_time": "54:44", "text": "I didn't need money for that." }, { "end_time": "54:49", "start_time": "54:45", "text": "Then I told my wife, like, you know, I know, you know, I'm just gonna quit now and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "54:50", "start_time": "54:49", "text": "She didn't go, damn." }, { "end_time": "54:53", "start_time": "54:50", "text": "We didn't even think about, you know, you're not gonna have a fixed salary, this, that, whatever." }, { "end_time": "54:55", "start_time": "54:53", "text": "So I had no backup plan." }, { "end_time": "54:56", "start_time": "54:55", "text": "I had no backup plan." }, { "end_time": "54:58", "start_time": "54:56", "text": "I had Vishal Gondal on one side, okay?" }, { "end_time": "55:01", "start_time": "54:58", "text": "We were building an idea of Gokki and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "55:05", "start_time": "55:01", "text": "He'd say, yeah come I can afford $50,000 right now, ESOPs and stuff like that, you know?" }, { "end_time": "55:08", "start_time": "55:05", "text": "So I just threw myself into it without thinking." }, { "end_time": "55:13", "start_time": "55:08", "text": "A month after that, because I had more time, I don't have a corporate job, my clients increased." }, { "end_time": "55:17", "start_time": "55:14", "text": "And because people needed me more, I started filtering on price." }, { "end_time": "55:20", "start_time": "55:17", "text": "So from $500 I went to a 1,000, from 1,000 I went up 5,000." }, { "end_time": "55:25", "start_time": "55:21", "text": "In 3 months I had gone up to about $25,000 because I could filter it out." }, { "end_time": "55:26", "start_time": "55:25", "text": "I knew I was effective." }, { "end_time": "55:27", "start_time": "55:27", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "55:31", "start_time": "55:29", "text": "I started building, started travelling, all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "55:36", "start_time": "55:31", "text": "You know, started saving more, investing more, you know, learnt the power of compounding." }, { "end_time": "55:38", "start_time": "55:36", "text": "At that point, very late in life." }, { "end_time": "55:38", "start_time": "55:38", "text": "35?" }, { "end_time": "55:40", "start_time": "55:39", "text": "35, 36." }, { "end_time": "55:42", "start_time": "55:40", "text": "So everyone says, Luke, imagine if you did this with you." }, { "end_time": "55:46", "start_time": "55:42", "text": "Yeah, I can imagine, but now I'm gonna imagine what I'm gonna do in the next 35 years." }, { "end_time": "55:50", "start_time": "55:46", "text": "So I put a personal goal because a lot of my friends were already doing it from 24." }, { "end_time": "55:55", "start_time": "55:50", "text": "I said in 3 years, whatever they've compounded and made, I'm gonna make that in 3 years." }, { "end_time": "55:58", "start_time": "55:55", "text": "So then I have no regrets about what I should have done." }, { "end_time": "55:58", "start_time": "55:58", "text": "What's the point?" }, { "end_time": "56:00", "start_time": "55:58", "text": "It's gone, I can't go back and change that." }, { "end_time": "56:04", "start_time": "56:00", "text": "But what if I make that amount now and compound that?" }, { "end_time": "56:05", "start_time": "56:04", "text": "I'm still ahead of the game." }, { "end_time": "56:07", "start_time": "56:05", "text": "So a little bit of competition is also good, you know." }, { "end_time": "56:09", "start_time": "56:07", "text": "That's your Michael Jordan speaking." }, { "end_time": "56:09", "start_time": "56:09", "text": "Why not?" }, { "end_time": "56:10", "start_time": "56:09", "text": "I would do that." }, { "end_time": "56:11", "start_time": "56:10", "text": "And I made it." }, { "end_time": "56:19", "start_time": "56:11", "text": "So then Natasha, we had Tianna and stuff and I was very like, I don't want this family model where the parents are working and the child is like whatever." }, { "end_time": "56:23", "start_time": "56:19", "text": "We had decided, no nanny for the kids, no nothing and she is chilled out." }, { "end_time": "56:24", "start_time": "56:23", "text": "I said work with me." }, { "end_time": "56:26", "start_time": "56:24", "text": "I said, work with me or a project manager?" }, { "end_time": "56:27", "start_time": "56:26", "text": "Manage this." }, { "end_time": "56:28", "start_time": "56:27", "text": "I don't understand Excel." }, { "end_time": "56:30", "start_time": "56:28", "text": "I don't wanna look at P and L, all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "56:37", "start_time": "56:30", "text": "She came on board, started streamlining so I could just go to my coffee shop every day, Taj Mahal people, and consult and consult from morning to night." }, { "end_time": "56:40", "start_time": "56:37", "text": "She was managing the back end and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "56:43", "start_time": "56:40", "text": "6 months later, we had to hire a CFO because we had made a $1,000,000." }, { "end_time": "56:45", "start_time": "56:44", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "56:45", "start_time": "56:45", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "56:47", "start_time": "56:45", "text": "And we didn't even know." }, { "end_time": "56:48", "start_time": "56:47", "text": "She told me, Luke, this is your account now." }, { "end_time": "56:50", "start_time": "56:48", "text": "We were like, oh, tax and this." }, { "end_time": "56:51", "start_time": "56:50", "text": "I was like, you know, sole proprietor." }, { "end_time": "56:54", "start_time": "56:52", "text": "No clue about it, but moving with the flow." }, { "end_time": "56:56", "start_time": "56:54", "text": "So we got a CFO on board because we both didn't understand." }, { "end_time": "56:59", "start_time": "56:56", "text": "This was like suddenly something huge coming into your life." }, { "end_time": "57:01", "start_time": "56:59", "text": "And for me it was like, no, now what should we do?" }, { "end_time": "57:04", "start_time": "57:01", "text": "I'm like, what worked for me is what I should continue doing." }, { "end_time": "57:12", "start_time": "57:05", "text": "You know, if we could make a $1,000,000 of turnover in like 7 to 8 months, This only means one thing, you're doing it right." }, { "end_time": "57:14", "start_time": "57:12", "text": "So I told her that I need to continue doing this." }, { "end_time": "57:17", "start_time": "57:15", "text": "I can't get into HR, this, that." }, { "end_time": "57:18", "start_time": "57:17", "text": "Can you build a team?" }, { "end_time": "57:19", "start_time": "57:18", "text": "She said, I'll build a team." }, { "end_time": "57:21", "start_time": "57:19", "text": "So I was in Singapore when I hired my 1st nutritionist." }, { "end_time": "57:23", "start_time": "57:21", "text": "So then I was doing all the clients myself." }, { "end_time": "57:29", "start_time": "57:23", "text": "I was handling about a 150 patients on WhatsApp every day with meetings, going to town." }, { "end_time": "57:32", "start_time": "57:29", "text": "I used to go to people's houses, you know, to high profile people." }, { "end_time": "57:36", "start_time": "57:32", "text": "I mean, today it's different, they come to us, but, you know, I saw a lot of time expenditure." }, { "end_time": "57:38", "start_time": "57:36", "text": "I was in Singapore, couldn't manage." }, { "end_time": "57:45", "start_time": "57:38", "text": "I called up, interviewed a girl, Sneha on my team, hired her on board, she started helping me out with patients, and we just went with the flow." }, { "end_time": "57:48", "start_time": "57:45", "text": "We didn't have a business strategy, we didn't have a vision." }, { "end_time": "57:52", "start_time": "57:48", "text": "There was one vision, who comes to us, send them with some value added to their life?" }, { "end_time": "57:55", "start_time": "57:52", "text": "Either we reduce their pain, reduce their suffering, or we take care of their problems." }, { "end_time": "57:56", "start_time": "57:55", "text": "3 things." }, { "end_time": "57:58", "start_time": "57:56", "text": "Even today, that's our company vision." }, { "end_time": "57:59", "start_time": "57:58", "text": "Reduce suffering, reduce pain." }, { "end_time": "58:02", "start_time": "58:00", "text": "If we can put them in remission, heal them, great." }, { "end_time": "58:03", "start_time": "58:02", "text": "Do that together." }, { "end_time": "58:06", "start_time": "58:03", "text": "By just focusing on the first two, you achieve the 3rd in most cases." }, { "end_time": "58:07", "start_time": "58:06", "text": "That's when our company vision." }, { "end_time": "58:10", "start_time": "58:07", "text": "So when the CFO came, 'Okay, what's your 5 term plan?' I said, 'I don't have a 5 term plan." }, { "end_time": "58:12", "start_time": "58:10", "text": "I have a 24 hour plan." }, { "end_time": "58:17", "start_time": "58:12", "text": "I have 15 patients tomorrow, that's my plan.' And honestly Ranveer, there is no story." }, { "end_time": "58:20", "start_time": "58:17", "text": "When people project me today as an entrepreneur, I'm not." }, { "end_time": "58:26", "start_time": "58:21", "text": "My only my only skill is what I do with my patients every single day." }, { "end_time": "58:29", "start_time": "58:26", "text": "And since I can't do that now, training the rest of my team." }, { "end_time": "58:36", "start_time": "58:29", "text": "So I'm either consulting or I'm either training because I need to make like 30, 40, 50 looks now to handle the kind of pay that we have." }, { "end_time": "58:39", "start_time": "58:36", "text": "So I've never gotten involved within business and all of these things." }, { "end_time": "58:40", "start_time": "58:39", "text": "I've stuck on my path." }, { "end_time": "58:43", "start_time": "58:40", "text": "I can easily project myself today as an entrepreneur." }, { "end_time": "58:45", "start_time": "58:43", "text": "I did this, I followed this, no." }, { "end_time": "58:47", "start_time": "58:45", "text": "I did what was my gift." }, { "end_time": "58:48", "start_time": "58:47", "text": "I used my gift." }, { "end_time": "58:52", "start_time": "58:48", "text": "And by using I'm a huge believer of this, you know, all of us are given gifts in life." }, { "end_time": "58:54", "start_time": "58:52", "text": "Everyone, all of us." }, { "end_time": "58:56", "start_time": "58:54", "text": "If you don't use it, it will be taken away from you." }, { "end_time": "59:09", "start_time": "58:56", "text": "If you try, you're given a gift, but you try to be greedy and say, I don't want this, I wanna take this and try to build this, it's gonna be taken away because everyone born is given a talent or some talents which you feel lucky to find and use it." }, { "end_time": "59:11", "start_time": "59:09", "text": "That is where the abundance comes from." }, { "end_time": "59:12", "start_time": "59:11", "text": "Nothing else." }, { "end_time": "59:13", "start_time": "59:12", "text": "You think people don't have my knowledge?" }, { "end_time": "59:15", "start_time": "59:13", "text": "There are people who are way more qualified." }, { "end_time": "59:18", "start_time": "59:16", "text": "In fact, in my entire team, I'm the least qualified." }, { "end_time": "59:26", "start_time": "59:18", "text": "I'm the least qualified in my team because I have registered dietitians, I have or, you know, I have medical doctors, I'm integrative lifestyle medicine." }, { "end_time": "59:26", "start_time": "59:26", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "59:28", "start_time": "59:26", "text": "By the way, we built an institute today." }, { "end_time": "59:30", "start_time": "59:28", "text": "We're now recognized by Mumbai University." }, { "end_time": "59:31", "start_time": "59:30", "text": "We're teaching people our skill." }, { "end_time": "59:34", "start_time": "59:31", "text": "So the whole point is, I don't have a story." }, { "end_time": "59:37", "start_time": "59:35", "text": "So when people say, Luke, what's your success?" }, { "end_time": "59:39", "start_time": "59:37", "text": "For me it is just be effective with what gift you have." }, { "end_time": "59:40", "start_time": "59:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "59:44", "start_time": "59:40", "text": "So if I can be effective with a patient today, that's what's building my business every single day." }, { "end_time": "59:45", "start_time": "59:44", "text": "We've not marketed to today." }, { "end_time": "59:47", "start_time": "59:45", "text": "We don't have a marketing plan." }, { "end_time": "59:49", "start_time": "59:47", "text": "We don't do anything." }, { "end_time": "59:53", "start_time": "59:49", "text": "Now I do know, okay, I can be smart, I say, hey, for Salud, this is great." }, { "end_time": "59:53", "start_time": "59:53", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "59:56", "start_time": "59:53", "text": "But what if we do bring in marketing?" }, { "end_time": "59:58", "start_time": "59:56", "text": "What if we do bring in structure, strategy?" }, { "end_time": "1:00:00", "start_time": "59:58", "text": "I said go ahead and do it." }, { "end_time": "1:00:01", "start_time": "1:00:00", "text": "Build it." }, { "end_time": "1:00:02", "start_time": "1:00:01", "text": "I'm not gonna do it." }, { "end_time": "1:00:06", "start_time": "1:00:02", "text": "I don't have an interest in it, I don't have the bandwidth for it and I don't have the passion to do it." }, { "end_time": "1:00:08", "start_time": "1:00:06", "text": "You give me patience, that's my passion." }, { "end_time": "1:00:10", "start_time": "1:00:08", "text": "So honestly, again, simplicity." }, { "end_time": "1:00:12", "start_time": "1:00:12", "text": "Simplicity." }, { "end_time": "1:00:15", "start_time": "1:00:13", "text": "I didn't have the feel that I don't have an MBA." }, { "end_time": "1:00:17", "start_time": "1:00:15", "text": "How am I going to take this to the next level?" }, { "end_time": "1:00:22", "start_time": "1:00:17", "text": "My wife is not an MBA, we both learn principles, some months we've lost money." }, { "end_time": "1:00:22", "start_time": "1:00:22", "text": "Big deal!" }, { "end_time": "1:00:25", "start_time": "1:00:22", "text": "We look at the positives, the other months before we make money." }, { "end_time": "1:00:27", "start_time": "1:00:25", "text": "Okay, now let's do it differently the next month." }, { "end_time": "1:00:31", "start_time": "1:00:27", "text": "And you'll have downs and ups and downs and ups, we're okay with it." }, { "end_time": "1:00:32", "start_time": "1:00:31", "text": "So I've not built a 5 year plan." }, { "end_time": "1:00:37", "start_time": "1:00:32", "text": "Like, if you tell me my 5 year plan right now is a 1,500 crore company." }, { "end_time": "1:00:38", "start_time": "1:00:37", "text": "Ask me why." }, { "end_time": "1:00:42", "start_time": "1:00:38", "text": "Because I have about a 100 people in my team now who have grown with me." }, { "end_time": "1:00:53", "start_time": "1:00:42", "text": "If I get that valuation, I can see myself in the Maldives with them signing out $1,000,000 checks to each of them, and the money I have left over is enough for me to build my hospital, live the rest of my life, and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "1:00:54", "start_time": "1:00:53", "text": "That's my 5 year plan." }, { "end_time": "1:00:55", "start_time": "1:00:54", "text": "If it happens, happens." }, { "end_time": "1:00:56", "start_time": "1:00:55", "text": "If it doesn't happen, we move on." }, { "end_time": "1:00:57", "start_time": "1:00:56", "text": "It's no big deal." }, { "end_time": "1:00:59", "start_time": "1:00:57", "text": "There's nothing to be attached to." }, { "end_time": "1:01:01", "start_time": "1:00:59", "text": "My self worth isn't attached to that." }, { "end_time": "1:01:02", "start_time": "1:01:01", "text": "So So I've honestly kept it simple." }, { "end_time": "1:01:04", "start_time": "1:01:02", "text": "That's the truth of my story." }, { "end_time": "1:01:08", "start_time": "1:01:04", "text": "I can make it sound complicated like I've done this and I've done this and thought strategically." }, { "end_time": "1:01:09", "start_time": "1:01:09", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:01:12", "start_time": "1:01:09", "text": "The only strategy I have is what I do with my patients." }, { "end_time": "1:01:15", "start_time": "1:01:12", "text": "Every patient is a strategy because they're different." }, { "end_time": "1:01:18", "start_time": "1:01:15", "text": "So that's my story in short really, to be quite honest." }, { "end_time": "1:01:20", "start_time": "1:01:18", "text": "I've not had struggles." }, { "end_time": "1:01:23", "start_time": "1:01:20", "text": "If I have, I know I'm not holding back anything." }, { "end_time": "1:01:24", "start_time": "1:01:23", "text": "I'm an open book." }, { "end_time": "1:01:26", "start_time": "1:01:24", "text": "I'm an open book when it comes to things." }, { "end_time": "1:01:28", "start_time": "1:01:26", "text": "I made my mistakes, all of that." }, { "end_time": "1:01:29", "start_time": "1:01:28", "text": "Yes, overcome certain fears." }, { "end_time": "1:01:33", "start_time": "1:01:29", "text": "I was a people pleaser when I started off because who's Luke?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:35", "start_time": "1:01:33", "text": "Come, come, come, I'll treat you free." }, { "end_time": "1:01:36", "start_time": "1:01:35", "text": "I want them to like me." }, { "end_time": "1:01:41", "start_time": "1:01:36", "text": "So they tell people but one lady told me that Luke, don't you have any self worth?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:42", "start_time": "1:01:41", "text": "I said, what do you mean?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:44", "start_time": "1:01:42", "text": "She's saying you're so good." }, { "end_time": "1:01:47", "start_time": "1:01:44", "text": "You don't value yourself to charge for your time?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:48", "start_time": "1:01:47", "text": "Change in a second." }, { "end_time": "1:01:50", "start_time": "1:01:48", "text": "She also complained 3 months later." }, { "end_time": "1:01:52", "start_time": "1:01:50", "text": "She said you moved from 25,000 to a lakh a month." }, { "end_time": "1:01:54", "start_time": "1:01:53", "text": "I said that's it." }, { "end_time": "1:01:57", "start_time": "1:01:54", "text": "She's saying that's the way to do it because you're worth that much." }, { "end_time": "1:02:01", "start_time": "1:01:57", "text": "So she taught me a lesson by just asking me that simple question, don't you value yourself?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:03", "start_time": "1:02:01", "text": "So I'm not ashamed of what I do today." }, { "end_time": "1:02:08", "start_time": "1:02:03", "text": "I have content that has reversed people's thyroid diabetes free, put people's cancers in remission free." }, { "end_time": "1:02:11", "start_time": "1:02:09", "text": "And I have people who want my time, pay for it." }, { "end_time": "1:02:14", "start_time": "1:02:11", "text": "It's a model that doesn't make me feel guilty at all." }, { "end_time": "1:02:16", "start_time": "1:02:15", "text": "So that's the path right now." }, { "end_time": "1:02:18", "start_time": "1:02:16", "text": "Toughness and providence, man." }, { "end_time": "1:02:18", "start_time": "1:02:18", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "1:02:20", "start_time": "1:02:18", "text": "And belief you can't have other people shoot." }, { "end_time": "1:02:22", "start_time": "1:02:20", "text": "You know how many people shot down my plan?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:25", "start_time": "1:02:22", "text": "Oh Luke, there'll be there'll be an economic meltdown." }, { "end_time": "1:02:26", "start_time": "1:02:25", "text": "You're in a service business." }, { "end_time": "1:02:27", "start_time": "1:02:26", "text": "You should have products." }, { "end_time": "1:02:29", "start_time": "1:02:27", "text": "What's gonna happen and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "1:02:31", "start_time": "1:02:29", "text": "For me, I said, you should do a market research." }, { "end_time": "1:02:33", "start_time": "1:02:31", "text": "I said, this is my market research." }, { "end_time": "1:02:36", "start_time": "1:02:33", "text": "Look at the amount of McDonald's, Dunkin' Donuts opening up all around." }, { "end_time": "1:02:38", "start_time": "1:02:36", "text": "I know I'm gonna be in business for the next 10 years." }, { "end_time": "1:02:39", "start_time": "1:02:38", "text": "Period." }, { "end_time": "1:02:40", "start_time": "1:02:39", "text": "That's my business plan and it's working." }, { "end_time": "1:02:41", "start_time": "1:02:41", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:43", "start_time": "1:02:41", "text": "So intelligent intuition." }, { "end_time": "1:02:47", "start_time": "1:02:44", "text": "Because I can't understand anything more complicated than that." }, { "end_time": "1:02:48", "start_time": "1:02:47", "text": "I get what you're saying." }, { "end_time": "1:02:50", "start_time": "1:02:48", "text": "There's a few people I've met in my life Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:02:59", "start_time": "1:02:51", "text": "Who when the first time I meet them, I feel a certain wave of and I'm just trying to articulate this in the best way possible, but I feel a certain wave of freshness." }, { "end_time": "1:03:00", "start_time": "1:02:59", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:03:11", "start_time": "1:03:00", "text": "And I I also believe that if you are even slightly intuitive or if you're spiritually inclined, you become extremely perceptive towards what you feel when you meet somebody for the first time." }, { "end_time": "1:03:11", "start_time": "1:03:11", "text": "True." }, { "end_time": "1:03:14", "start_time": "1:03:11", "text": "They don't have to play a big role or small role in your life." }, { "end_time": "1:03:16", "start_time": "1:03:14", "text": "Just what's that feeling you get?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:23", "start_time": "1:03:16", "text": "And I remember that in my romantic relationships often, the ones where I felt very fiery the first time I met them, it ended fiery as well." }, { "end_time": "1:03:31", "start_time": "1:03:23", "text": "And and my deepest friendships, the first time I saw someone and I felt calm that friendship or that relationship It's ruined." }, { "end_time": "1:03:31", "start_time": "1:03:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:03:31", "start_time": "1:03:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:03:32", "start_time": "1:03:31", "text": "It it blossomed." }, { "end_time": "1:03:33", "start_time": "1:03:32", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "1:03:34", "start_time": "1:03:33", "text": "I I felt very calm when I met." }, { "end_time": "1:03:35", "start_time": "1:03:34", "text": "Do you remember the first time we ever met?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:36", "start_time": "1:03:35", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:03:36", "start_time": "1:03:36", "text": "I did." }, { "end_time": "1:03:37", "start_time": "1:03:36", "text": "At Gokki?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:37", "start_time": "1:03:37", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:03:41", "start_time": "1:03:37", "text": "We met at Gokki but before that we met at, Marine Drive." }, { "end_time": "1:03:44", "start_time": "1:03:41", "text": "Remember we there was some run, a 10 k run." }, { "end_time": "1:03:46", "start_time": "1:03:44", "text": "And that's when Vishal introduced you Right." }, { "end_time": "1:03:47", "start_time": "1:03:46", "text": "To me and stuff briefly." }, { "end_time": "1:03:49", "start_time": "1:03:47", "text": "And then we met at Gokki for a longer time." }, { "end_time": "1:03:49", "start_time": "1:03:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:03:50", "start_time": "1:03:49", "text": "Where I spoke to you." }, { "end_time": "1:03:51", "start_time": "1:03:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:03:53", "start_time": "1:03:51", "text": "I just I don't know why, man." }, { "end_time": "1:03:58", "start_time": "1:03:53", "text": "Like, I didn't know that you're gonna help me as much as you did over, you know, the course of knowing you." }, { "end_time": "1:04:04", "start_time": "1:03:58", "text": "But I just I felt like I felt this weird, like, freshness, which I again feel with some some people." }, { "end_time": "1:04:10", "start_time": "1:04:04", "text": "And my gauge of that is this is something I'm there's something very personal that I'm saying on the podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:04:14", "start_time": "1:04:11", "text": "But I'm I'm deeply into the concept of God." }, { "end_time": "1:04:16", "start_time": "1:04:14", "text": "I'm deeply into the concept of the universe." }, { "end_time": "1:04:25", "start_time": "1:04:16", "text": "I don't talk about it often on the Internet because I feel like it can be perceived with a certain pre preconceived notion." }, { "end_time": "1:04:26", "start_time": "1:04:25", "text": "Oh, he's in a god?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:26", "start_time": "1:04:26", "text": "What?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:26", "start_time": "1:04:26", "text": "He's an uncle?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:28", "start_time": "1:04:26", "text": "Oh, he's he's religious?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:29", "start_time": "1:04:28", "text": "Is he right wing?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:30", "start_time": "1:04:29", "text": "Is he left wing?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:31", "start_time": "1:04:30", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "1:04:37", "start_time": "1:04:32", "text": "And usually this freshness that I feel from certain people, I always come to realize that they are the same." }, { "end_time": "1:04:38", "start_time": "1:04:37", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:04:45", "start_time": "1:04:38", "text": "That they have a pre they have an inclination towards the concept of God and the universe." }, { "end_time": "1:04:47", "start_time": "1:04:46", "text": "I want you to talk about that." }, { "end_time": "1:04:49", "start_time": "1:04:47", "text": "That's something I've not spoken to you about, honestly." }, { "end_time": "1:04:52", "start_time": "1:04:49", "text": "But do you you spoke about, providence Right." }, { "end_time": "1:04:54", "start_time": "1:04:53", "text": "You know, being taken care of." }, { "end_time": "1:05:02", "start_time": "1:04:55", "text": "Do you feel it roots out of that place where you are conscious of that man in the sky just looking after you and throwing down some blessings?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:04", "start_time": "1:05:02", "text": "Like, what's what's that like?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:13", "start_time": "1:05:04", "text": "Because discovering God discovering the universe is a pleasure you only experience once you put your body and your mind through it, man." }, { "end_time": "1:05:15", "start_time": "1:05:14", "text": "What's your opinion on this?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:16", "start_time": "1:05:15", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:05:17", "start_time": "1:05:16", "text": "I believe in the universe." }, { "end_time": "1:05:18", "start_time": "1:05:17", "text": "I believe in God." }, { "end_time": "1:05:20", "start_time": "1:05:18", "text": "Now which God that is, don't." }, { "end_time": "1:05:22", "start_time": "1:05:20", "text": "I'm not gonna say Jesus is the best." }, { "end_time": "1:05:25", "start_time": "1:05:23", "text": "I'm not gonna say I'm not gonna talk about our religions." }, { "end_time": "1:05:27", "start_time": "1:05:25", "text": "I'll talk about mine because this is about me." }, { "end_time": "1:05:30", "start_time": "1:05:27", "text": "Not, you know, everyone's free to have their own views." }, { "end_time": "1:05:31", "start_time": "1:05:30", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:05:32", "start_time": "1:05:31", "text": "Why give it a name?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:33", "start_time": "1:05:32", "text": "I've been brought up in Christianity." }, { "end_time": "1:05:35", "start_time": "1:05:34", "text": "I'm a Catholic, Jesus Christ." }, { "end_time": "1:05:36", "start_time": "1:05:35", "text": "I have faith." }, { "end_time": "1:05:39", "start_time": "1:05:36", "text": "I'll use his name in prayers, you know, sometimes subconsciously." }, { "end_time": "1:05:39", "start_time": "1:05:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:05:41", "start_time": "1:05:39", "text": "Because maybe that's part of my childhood and stuff." }, { "end_time": "1:05:43", "start_time": "1:05:41", "text": "Do you chant in your head subconsciously?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:43", "start_time": "1:05:43", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:05:44", "start_time": "1:05:43", "text": "We have our own mantras." }, { "end_time": "1:05:45", "start_time": "1:05:44", "text": "We have our own prayers." }, { "end_time": "1:05:46", "start_time": "1:05:45", "text": "I say them in the morning." }, { "end_time": "1:05:47", "start_time": "1:05:46", "text": "I say them in the evening." }, { "end_time": "1:05:48", "start_time": "1:05:47", "text": "Sometimes I say them mindlessly." }, { "end_time": "1:05:50", "start_time": "1:05:48", "text": "Sometimes I say them with depth." }, { "end_time": "1:05:55", "start_time": "1:05:50", "text": "You know, but my whole point is I don't wanna try to understand it further." }, { "end_time": "1:05:57", "start_time": "1:05:55", "text": "It's not gonna get me anything." }, { "end_time": "1:06:01", "start_time": "1:05:57", "text": "You see a lot of people today are trying to search deeper into stuff." }, { "end_time": "1:06:06", "start_time": "1:06:02", "text": "My point is, what I've learned is, we learn while living life." }, { "end_time": "1:06:12", "start_time": "1:06:06", "text": "I can't take a break from living life and decide I'm going to go on to this path to search for a deeper meaning." }, { "end_time": "1:06:15", "start_time": "1:06:12", "text": "Because I've seen those people and they finally come back and they're back on that part of life." }, { "end_time": "1:06:20", "start_time": "1:06:16", "text": "What what if we find our deeper meaning or whether God is real or not while living life?" }, { "end_time": "1:06:22", "start_time": "1:06:20", "text": "Everything happens while we're living." }, { "end_time": "1:06:23", "start_time": "1:06:22", "text": "So is there a God?" }, { "end_time": "1:06:23", "start_time": "1:06:23", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:06:23", "start_time": "1:06:23", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "1:06:25", "start_time": "1:06:23", "text": "Do I believe in prayer?" }, { "end_time": "1:06:25", "start_time": "1:06:25", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "1:06:29", "start_time": "1:06:26", "text": "I've seen miracles happen with my patients who pray." }, { "end_time": "1:06:34", "start_time": "1:06:29", "text": "I've seen someone with a brain tumor, a girl in Bandra who would never have the money to go through surgeries." }, { "end_time": "1:06:45", "start_time": "1:06:34", "text": "And when she was given, you know, what it would cost her at Leelavati Hospital for the surgery and stuff, she just went home, calm, whatever, said I'll just go for Sunday mass with faith and whatever and stuff." }, { "end_time": "1:06:46", "start_time": "1:06:45", "text": "Doesn't have a tumor anymore today." }, { "end_time": "1:06:48", "start_time": "1:06:47", "text": "Now what can we say about that?" }, { "end_time": "1:06:50", "start_time": "1:06:48", "text": "Her belief, her faith, doesn't matter." }, { "end_time": "1:06:52", "start_time": "1:06:50", "text": "I don't need to know what it is." }, { "end_time": "1:06:54", "start_time": "1:06:52", "text": "I don't need to study to prove it." }, { "end_time": "1:06:55", "start_time": "1:06:54", "text": "It works." }, { "end_time": "1:06:57", "start_time": "1:06:55", "text": "It makes you feel good." }, { "end_time": "1:06:57", "start_time": "1:06:57", "text": "She has faith." }, { "end_time": "1:06:58", "start_time": "1:06:57", "text": "It's worked." }, { "end_time": "1:07:02", "start_time": "1:06:58", "text": "I don't need science now to tell her whether it worked or not or whatever." }, { "end_time": "1:07:05", "start_time": "1:07:02", "text": "It's prayer my whole life has worked around prayer." }, { "end_time": "1:07:05", "start_time": "1:07:05", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:07:07", "start_time": "1:07:05", "text": "My whole life when I need help, I ask for it." }, { "end_time": "1:07:08", "start_time": "1:07:07", "text": "If it comes to me, it's great." }, { "end_time": "1:07:11", "start_time": "1:07:08", "text": "If it doesn't come to me, I know it's for a better reason." }, { "end_time": "1:07:18", "start_time": "1:07:11", "text": "Everything I prayed for, there was a point in my career, I was in that cold call center phase, and at that point, jet air was was blooming, Emirates." }, { "end_time": "1:07:23", "start_time": "1:07:18", "text": "So the the the biggest thing was, like, become an air you know, a flight passer or an air hostess." }, { "end_time": "1:07:25", "start_time": "1:07:23", "text": "That was, like, the fanciest life." }, { "end_time": "1:07:26", "start_time": "1:07:25", "text": "You fly, you travel." }, { "end_time": "1:07:27", "start_time": "1:07:26", "text": "And I lived in Chimbaai." }, { "end_time": "1:07:30", "start_time": "1:07:27", "text": "So as you come out of Chimbaai, there's Saint Andrew's church." }, { "end_time": "1:07:35", "start_time": "1:07:30", "text": "I would go there and kneel and pray every day, please make me a flight person, please make me a flight person." }, { "end_time": "1:07:36", "start_time": "1:07:35", "text": "It never happened." }, { "end_time": "1:07:41", "start_time": "1:07:36", "text": "I went for interviews, jet airways got kicked out because I couldn't speak Hindi, Emirates." }, { "end_time": "1:07:44", "start_time": "1:07:42", "text": "They said, you have to come to Dubai for the interview." }, { "end_time": "1:07:46", "start_time": "1:07:44", "text": "Didn't have money for my ticket, all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "1:07:49", "start_time": "1:07:46", "text": "Today when I look back, I'm so happy it didn't happen." }, { "end_time": "1:07:50", "start_time": "1:07:49", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:07:54", "start_time": "1:07:50", "text": "I mean, I have nothing against flight persons or not, but for me it was never the right thing." }, { "end_time": "1:07:56", "start_time": "1:07:54", "text": "I would ask, like, I'm praying so much." }, { "end_time": "1:07:58", "start_time": "1:07:56", "text": "Why isn't it happening?" }, { "end_time": "1:08:01", "start_time": "1:07:58", "text": "So do I believe in God and mysteries, which is the universe?" }, { "end_time": "1:08:03", "start_time": "1:08:01", "text": "When people say there are mysteries in life." }, { "end_time": "1:08:05", "start_time": "1:08:03", "text": "You know, things people are scared to discuss that." }, { "end_time": "1:08:11", "start_time": "1:08:05", "text": "You know, they they're easy to say, oh, prove that God exists or prove that the universe gives back." }, { "end_time": "1:08:13", "start_time": "1:08:11", "text": "Prove all of these things and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "1:08:14", "start_time": "1:08:13", "text": "Prove that it doesn't." }, { "end_time": "1:08:14", "start_time": "1:08:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:08:17", "start_time": "1:08:14", "text": "Prove that it doesn't is one massive one and look in the mirror." }, { "end_time": "1:08:19", "start_time": "1:08:18", "text": "Explain you." }, { "end_time": "1:08:24", "start_time": "1:08:20", "text": "Explain you from a cell to what you are right now." }, { "end_time": "1:08:25", "start_time": "1:08:24", "text": "Can your science explain that?" }, { "end_time": "1:08:27", "start_time": "1:08:25", "text": "Can medical science explain that?" }, { "end_time": "1:08:27", "start_time": "1:08:27", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:08:34", "start_time": "1:08:27", "text": "Can medical science explain the composition of breast milk and how perfect the composition is?" }, { "end_time": "1:08:35", "start_time": "1:08:34", "text": "And how did the body make it?" }, { "end_time": "1:08:36", "start_time": "1:08:35", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:08:45", "start_time": "1:08:36", "text": "So let's agree, there are some things in life which is beyond human intelligence, whether that forces from the universe, God, whatever, your choice, your choice." }, { "end_time": "1:08:48", "start_time": "1:08:45", "text": "But absolutely, am I God fearing?" }, { "end_time": "1:08:51", "start_time": "1:08:49", "text": "I wouldn't say I am because there are many things that way." }, { "end_time": "1:08:53", "start_time": "1:08:51", "text": "If you were God fearing, you wouldn't do it." }, { "end_time": "1:08:55", "start_time": "1:08:53", "text": "But I think I'm pretty practical." }, { "end_time": "1:09:01", "start_time": "1:08:55", "text": "I understand, like, you know, again, we have 10 commandments, okay, in the bible." }, { "end_time": "1:09:01", "start_time": "1:09:01", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:06", "start_time": "1:09:03", "text": "There are so many people who follow the 10 commandments." }, { "end_time": "1:09:06", "start_time": "1:09:06", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:09", "start_time": "1:09:06", "text": "And there are so many people who don't, who may break them." }, { "end_time": "1:09:14", "start_time": "1:09:10", "text": "You know, there's no data showing us that the people who have broken the 10 commandments are the ones suffering." }, { "end_time": "1:09:15", "start_time": "1:09:14", "text": "There are people who are doing everything." }, { "end_time": "1:09:19", "start_time": "1:09:16", "text": "Suffering is way beyond just your faith in God." }, { "end_time": "1:09:20", "start_time": "1:09:19", "text": "It's beyond just these things." }, { "end_time": "1:09:21", "start_time": "1:09:20", "text": "It's unexplained." }, { "end_time": "1:09:23", "start_time": "1:09:21", "text": "Like, you prayed all your life." }, { "end_time": "1:09:24", "start_time": "1:09:23", "text": "Why have you gotten sick?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:24", "start_time": "1:09:24", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:09:31", "start_time": "1:09:24", "text": "I know a priest who has gotten cancer and he asks me, say, Luke, I've served God my entire life." }, { "end_time": "1:09:33", "start_time": "1:09:32", "text": "What do I tell him?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:34", "start_time": "1:09:33", "text": "This is part of your plan." }, { "end_time": "1:09:36", "start_time": "1:09:34", "text": "What are you gonna learn from it?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:37", "start_time": "1:09:36", "text": "It's part of your plan." }, { "end_time": "1:09:38", "start_time": "1:09:37", "text": "Why are you seeing it as a negative?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:40", "start_time": "1:09:38", "text": "Just because cancer is a negative term." }, { "end_time": "1:09:41", "start_time": "1:09:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:09:42", "start_time": "1:09:41", "text": "I wish you didn't have it." }, { "end_time": "1:09:43", "start_time": "1:09:42", "text": "You wish you didn't have it." }, { "end_time": "1:09:47", "start_time": "1:09:43", "text": "But why don't you consider it in your path, like when you preach to us that suffering is a part of life?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:50", "start_time": "1:09:48", "text": "Maybe this is your journey that you're going." }, { "end_time": "1:09:52", "start_time": "1:09:50", "text": "We have to change perspectives of how we see it." }, { "end_time": "1:09:54", "start_time": "1:09:52", "text": "But, yeah, there is a higher force." }, { "end_time": "1:09:55", "start_time": "1:09:54", "text": "No doubt the universe." }, { "end_time": "1:09:56", "start_time": "1:09:55", "text": "Where does all this come?" }, { "end_time": "1:10:11", "start_time": "1:09:56", "text": "Like, I'm telling you a story today which doesn't which goes against everything that leadership teaches you, MBAs teach you, strategy teaches you, and, yes, grace of God, build a successful business, have a great team and all of that stuff without doing anything that the books say that's how successful is defined." }, { "end_time": "1:10:12", "start_time": "1:10:11", "text": "Where's that come from?" }, { "end_time": "1:10:13", "start_time": "1:10:12", "text": "My intelligence?" }, { "end_time": "1:10:13", "start_time": "1:10:13", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:10:18", "start_time": "1:10:13", "text": "I've just admitted on your show that I'm I'm I was I was a poor student." }, { "end_time": "1:10:20", "start_time": "1:10:18", "text": "I don't have I don't understand complication." }, { "end_time": "1:10:21", "start_time": "1:10:20", "text": "Where's it come from?" }, { "end_time": "1:10:22", "start_time": "1:10:21", "text": "A higher force." }, { "end_time": "1:10:24", "start_time": "1:10:23", "text": "Maybe I'm doing something right." }, { "end_time": "1:10:25", "start_time": "1:10:24", "text": "Maybe my intentions are good." }, { "end_time": "1:10:27", "start_time": "1:10:25", "text": "Maybe I believe in something with faith." }, { "end_time": "1:10:30", "start_time": "1:10:28", "text": "And I'm getting back from the universe." }, { "end_time": "1:10:44", "start_time": "1:10:30", "text": "You know, if I'm gonna sit here today and visualize money coming into my account, tried it all, the secret, all of that stuff, you know, life is trying to show me that hey, you've already got what you need in terms of you know what the what the mechanism is." }, { "end_time": "1:10:46", "start_time": "1:10:44", "text": "You're effective with your patient." }, { "end_time": "1:10:53", "start_time": "1:10:46", "text": "Abundance comes in 10 times more than what you're doing sitting and saying I want 5 crows, I want 10 crows and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "1:10:55", "start_time": "1:10:53", "text": "So you see again, the secret or whatever, great books." }, { "end_time": "1:11:00", "start_time": "1:10:55", "text": "But if you try to go by textbook knowledge again, everyone right now should have attracted everything." }, { "end_time": "1:11:01", "start_time": "1:11:00", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:11:01", "start_time": "1:11:01", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:11:01", "start_time": "1:11:01", "text": "But why not?" }, { "end_time": "1:11:03", "start_time": "1:11:01", "text": "Everyone's understood the concept." }, { "end_time": "1:11:04", "start_time": "1:11:03", "text": "It's alignment." }, { "end_time": "1:11:05", "start_time": "1:11:05", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:11:07", "start_time": "1:11:05", "text": "It's how you take that and align." }, { "end_time": "1:11:22", "start_time": "1:11:08", "text": "Most people run me when I ask them, say manifest if you ask me to explain manifestation in 2 words, which I know works because we've had I I have a multiple sclerosis patient who visualize coming to see me and reset 1 year later walking." }, { "end_time": "1:11:23", "start_time": "1:11:22", "text": "She was in a wheelchair when she came to previous." }, { "end_time": "1:11:25", "start_time": "1:11:23", "text": "She came walking with a walking stick." }, { "end_time": "1:11:28", "start_time": "1:11:26", "text": "Diet plan, all of that, what worked for me, visualize." }, { "end_time": "1:11:34", "start_time": "1:11:28", "text": "I saw myself pressing the lift button, getting in, walking to you, and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "1:11:36", "start_time": "1:11:34", "text": "She's saying that's the thing I visualize every single day." }, { "end_time": "1:11:38", "start_time": "1:11:36", "text": "So manifestation is 2 things." }, { "end_time": "1:11:41", "start_time": "1:11:38", "text": "1, know crystal clear what you want." }, { "end_time": "1:11:44", "start_time": "1:11:41", "text": "There cannot be no, I want to be rich." }, { "end_time": "1:11:45", "start_time": "1:11:44", "text": "What is rich to you?" }, { "end_time": "1:11:46", "start_time": "1:11:45", "text": "Is it money?" }, { "end_time": "1:11:47", "start_time": "1:11:46", "text": "Is it a BMW?" }, { "end_time": "1:11:47", "start_time": "1:11:47", "text": "Is it a yacht?" }, { "end_time": "1:11:48", "start_time": "1:11:47", "text": "Is it family?" }, { "end_time": "1:11:49", "start_time": "1:11:48", "text": "Is it love in your relationship?" }, { "end_time": "1:11:56", "start_time": "1:11:49", "text": "You have to be so crystal clear, and then you've got to start feeling like you're already getting it." }, { "end_time": "1:11:57", "start_time": "1:11:56", "text": "So how will you that's it." }, { "end_time": "1:12:03", "start_time": "1:11:57", "text": "In the most simple way, visualization, manifestation is crystal clear goal." }, { "end_time": "1:12:07", "start_time": "1:12:03", "text": "So when when I ask people who are struggling in their relationships, what kind of guy do you want?" }, { "end_time": "1:12:08", "start_time": "1:12:07", "text": "I want a hard working guy." }, { "end_time": "1:12:10", "start_time": "1:12:08", "text": "That's not crystal clear." }, { "end_time": "1:12:13", "start_time": "1:12:10", "text": "You can get a hard working guy who beats you up every day." }, { "end_time": "1:12:15", "start_time": "1:12:13", "text": "You can get a hard working guy who's on drugs and alcohol." }, { "end_time": "1:12:21", "start_time": "1:12:16", "text": "You have to be so crystal clear about what you want, and then start living it like you've got it." }, { "end_time": "1:12:23", "start_time": "1:12:21", "text": "Like, how will I feel when I've got this partner?" }, { "end_time": "1:12:26", "start_time": "1:12:23", "text": "How will I feel when I have a $1,000,000 in my account?" }, { "end_time": "1:12:29", "start_time": "1:12:26", "text": "But you see, most people are accumulating and not feeling it." }, { "end_time": "1:12:33", "start_time": "1:12:29", "text": "That that that's when it becomes ingratitude, and the cycle breaks." }, { "end_time": "1:12:35", "start_time": "1:12:33", "text": "So if you ask me, these things are real." }, { "end_time": "1:12:37", "start_time": "1:12:35", "text": "My entire life is built." }, { "end_time": "1:12:42", "start_time": "1:12:37", "text": "I told you I never visualized till the age of 34 or 35 when I started seeing the power of this." }, { "end_time": "1:12:45", "start_time": "1:12:42", "text": "Today, it's like everything in my life is visualized." }, { "end_time": "1:12:49", "start_time": "1:12:45", "text": "Every single thing in my life is visualized because I have a crystal clear vision of what I want." }, { "end_time": "1:12:52", "start_time": "1:12:49", "text": "And the things that I that I don't get when I reflect, why didn't I get this?" }, { "end_time": "1:12:54", "start_time": "1:12:52", "text": "I wasn't sure about what I wanted." }, { "end_time": "1:12:59", "start_time": "1:12:54", "text": "I just said, oh, I want to be, you know, traveling the world doing this, this, this." }, { "end_time": "1:13:00", "start_time": "1:12:59", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:13:04", "start_time": "1:13:00", "text": "I wanna be traveling to New York, London, Dubai, Vietnam, crystal clear." }, { "end_time": "1:13:09", "start_time": "1:13:04", "text": "And how am I gonna be when I land in Vietnam and I have, like, a 100 patients waiting for me?" }, { "end_time": "1:13:09", "start_time": "1:13:09", "text": "How am I gonna be?" }, { "end_time": "1:13:12", "start_time": "1:13:09", "text": "When I changed that, I started living the dream." }, { "end_time": "1:13:18", "start_time": "1:13:12", "text": "Every 3 months, New York, London, Dubai, Singapore, going towards a wait list of patients." }, { "end_time": "1:13:19", "start_time": "1:13:18", "text": "Crystal clear." }, { "end_time": "1:13:21", "start_time": "1:13:19", "text": "All I did was change I didn't have to change anything." }, { "end_time": "1:13:24", "start_time": "1:13:21", "text": "I didn't study more to make that dream happen." }, { "end_time": "1:13:25", "start_time": "1:13:24", "text": "I had the skills." }, { "end_time": "1:13:27", "start_time": "1:13:25", "text": "I just didn't have clarity of thought." }, { "end_time": "1:13:29", "start_time": "1:13:28", "text": "So, God, of course, I believe." }, { "end_time": "1:13:30", "start_time": "1:13:30", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "1:13:35", "start_time": "1:13:30", "text": "The power of prayer, unbelievable to whoever you're praying to, if you really break down prayer." }, { "end_time": "1:13:37", "start_time": "1:13:35", "text": "It cannot work without faith and belief." }, { "end_time": "1:13:47", "start_time": "1:13:37", "text": "So today, Ranbir, if you're praying to the universe, you're embracing a tree or whatever it is with faith and belief, again, it's intention connected with thought, clarity, and the feeling that you are gonna get it." }, { "end_time": "1:13:48", "start_time": "1:13:47", "text": "That's faith and belief." }, { "end_time": "1:13:57", "start_time": "1:13:49", "text": "That could be prayer without even mentioning religion, without ending we know so many people who chant prayers all the time mindlessly, but yet they're so worried." }, { "end_time": "1:14:00", "start_time": "1:13:58", "text": "Nikam, look, I'm at Sunday mass every day." }, { "end_time": "1:14:01", "start_time": "1:14:00", "text": "I go to the temple 5 times." }, { "end_time": "1:14:06", "start_time": "1:14:01", "text": "I say 5 I do 5 times of prayer during the day and stuff like that and whatever." }, { "end_time": "1:14:08", "start_time": "1:14:06", "text": "And they're so stressed and anxious." }, { "end_time": "1:14:11", "start_time": "1:14:08", "text": "I say, if you're praying so much, what happened to faith and belief?" }, { "end_time": "1:14:13", "start_time": "1:14:11", "text": "You're supposed to surrender your problems." }, { "end_time": "1:14:18", "start_time": "1:14:13", "text": "How can you pray and you're still trying to micromanage your problems, anxiety, you're not praying the right way." }, { "end_time": "1:14:19", "start_time": "1:14:18", "text": "So don't blame prayer." }, { "end_time": "1:14:22", "start_time": "1:14:20", "text": "Blame the process with you with what what you're doing it." }, { "end_time": "1:14:24", "start_time": "1:14:22", "text": "I don't that's the whole point." }, { "end_time": "1:14:25", "start_time": "1:14:24", "text": "When people say, Luke, you're not stressed." }, { "end_time": "1:14:28", "start_time": "1:14:26", "text": "How can I be stressed about something I cannot control?" }, { "end_time": "1:14:31", "start_time": "1:14:29", "text": "What's what am I gaining out of it?" }, { "end_time": "1:14:33", "start_time": "1:14:31", "text": "I have to surrender it." }, { "end_time": "1:14:35", "start_time": "1:14:33", "text": "I asked for guidance, I know I'm going to be taken care of." }, { "end_time": "1:14:37", "start_time": "1:14:35", "text": "If I can do something, do it." }, { "end_time": "1:14:39", "start_time": "1:14:37", "text": "If I can't, I have to surrender it." }, { "end_time": "1:14:47", "start_time": "1:14:39", "text": "But trying to control something that you can't is the most I think it's a drain of energy and it's something that you can never achieve, never ever achieve." }, { "end_time": "1:14:49", "start_time": "1:14:47", "text": "So we have to know clarity." }, { "end_time": "1:14:51", "start_time": "1:14:49", "text": "I can control this, I can't control this." }, { "end_time": "1:14:55", "start_time": "1:14:51", "text": "What I can't control, am I a 100% sure I cannot do anything about it?" }, { "end_time": "1:14:57", "start_time": "1:14:55", "text": "You can't do anything about it." }, { "end_time": "1:14:57", "start_time": "1:14:57", "text": "Surrender." }, { "end_time": "1:14:59", "start_time": "1:14:57", "text": "Let me give you an example, a patient." }, { "end_time": "1:15:01", "start_time": "1:14:59", "text": "You have a patient who's dying." }, { "end_time": "1:15:02", "start_time": "1:15:01", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:15:04", "start_time": "1:15:02", "text": "There are certain things that you cannot do." }, { "end_time": "1:15:06", "start_time": "1:15:04", "text": "But what's the one thing I can do?" }, { "end_time": "1:15:11", "start_time": "1:15:07", "text": "Get the family together, make the last few hours comfortable for the patient." }, { "end_time": "1:15:15", "start_time": "1:15:11", "text": "You know, that's the 1% I can do, but I can still do something about it." }, { "end_time": "1:15:19", "start_time": "1:15:15", "text": "I can't change the kidney which is failing hour by hour." }, { "end_time": "1:15:21", "start_time": "1:15:20", "text": "No one can change that." }, { "end_time": "1:15:24", "start_time": "1:15:21", "text": "But at 1%, you can make a difference in that life." }, { "end_time": "1:15:26", "start_time": "1:15:24", "text": "So there's always something that can be done." }, { "end_time": "1:15:28", "start_time": "1:15:26", "text": "So yes, God, deep a term." }, { "end_time": "1:15:33", "start_time": "1:15:28", "text": "And I don't care what people think, you know, people say, oh, you're Roman Catholic, oh, but like you said, but, you know, Jesus did this." }, { "end_time": "1:15:36", "start_time": "1:15:33", "text": "But it doesn't matter to me." }, { "end_time": "1:15:37", "start_time": "1:15:36", "text": "It doesn't matter to me." }, { "end_time": "1:15:38", "start_time": "1:15:37", "text": "I've not read the full bible myself." }, { "end_time": "1:15:42", "start_time": "1:15:38", "text": "I've taken what means to me and I've made my life story out of it." }, { "end_time": "1:15:47", "start_time": "1:15:42", "text": "So I don't care what people think, it's my life, my faith, what I do is working for me." }, { "end_time": "1:15:50", "start_time": "1:15:48", "text": "It's working for me, that's my path." }, { "end_time": "1:15:54", "start_time": "1:15:50", "text": "Couldn't couldn't bother me what's what what someone's opinion is about it." }, { "end_time": "1:15:58", "start_time": "1:15:54", "text": "And some people come, but Luke, you know, this is connected with this." }, { "end_time": "1:16:00", "start_time": "1:15:58", "text": "Have you seen this this religion and that?" }, { "end_time": "1:16:02", "start_time": "1:16:00", "text": "I said, of course, the Vedas are beautiful." }, { "end_time": "1:16:03", "start_time": "1:16:02", "text": "The Quran is also beautiful." }, { "end_time": "1:16:09", "start_time": "1:16:04", "text": "But it all comes down to one message, kindness, compassion, faith, belief, service." }, { "end_time": "1:16:11", "start_time": "1:16:10", "text": "Can you debate any of that?" }, { "end_time": "1:16:12", "start_time": "1:16:11", "text": "He said, no, it's the same thing." }, { "end_time": "1:16:14", "start_time": "1:16:12", "text": "I said, then for me, that's where it ends, simplicity." }, { "end_time": "1:16:16", "start_time": "1:16:15", "text": "Why are you complicating it?" }, { "end_time": "1:16:18", "start_time": "1:16:17", "text": "Why do you need to complicate it?" }, { "end_time": "1:16:20", "start_time": "1:16:19", "text": "You don't need to." }, { "end_time": "1:16:23", "start_time": "1:16:20", "text": "It's the same message that every religion is preaching." }, { "end_time": "1:16:26", "start_time": "1:16:23", "text": "Now my question to you is, what are you doing about it?" }, { "end_time": "1:16:27", "start_time": "1:16:26", "text": "Are you still chasing complication?" }, { "end_time": "1:16:32", "start_time": "1:16:28", "text": "Or are you starting to practice what every religion is boiling down to?" }, { "end_time": "1:16:34", "start_time": "1:16:32", "text": "And that's the way I see it." }, { "end_time": "1:16:37", "start_time": "1:16:34", "text": "So yeah, I don't know if I'm religious, I don't think I am." }, { "end_time": "1:16:37", "start_time": "1:16:37", "text": "Spiritual, yes." }, { "end_time": "1:16:38", "start_time": "1:16:37", "text": "Do I have faith?" }, { "end_time": "1:16:39", "start_time": "1:16:38", "text": "Absolutely, yes." }, { "end_time": "1:16:45", "start_time": "1:16:39", "text": "Do I, you know, can I say every point in my life today is because of what I have done?" }, { "end_time": "1:16:46", "start_time": "1:16:45", "text": "I've been guided." }, { "end_time": "1:16:52", "start_time": "1:16:46", "text": "You know there are times I've told my team so many times after I've spoken to a client, I'm like that wasn't me talking." }, { "end_time": "1:16:53", "start_time": "1:16:52", "text": "That was up there." }, { "end_time": "1:16:55", "start_time": "1:16:53", "text": "Why should I take credit when I know it wasn't me?" }, { "end_time": "1:16:59", "start_time": "1:16:55", "text": "I'm being guided what to say to a dying patient or a patient over a year." }, { "end_time": "1:17:01", "start_time": "1:16:59", "text": "I've not been trained, no textbooks taught me that." }, { "end_time": "1:17:06", "start_time": "1:17:01", "text": "It's a force above that's telling me, does this mean I'm some spiritual guru and I have a gift?" }, { "end_time": "1:17:06", "start_time": "1:17:06", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:17:09", "start_time": "1:17:06", "text": "It's just that I'm open to receiving guidance." }, { "end_time": "1:17:12", "start_time": "1:17:09", "text": "I don't think now like you, we're chasing learning all the time." }, { "end_time": "1:17:14", "start_time": "1:17:12", "text": "If you put a cap on it, we stop receiving." }, { "end_time": "1:17:16", "start_time": "1:17:15", "text": "When we're open to it, we're receiving." }, { "end_time": "1:17:18", "start_time": "1:17:16", "text": "Like, I'll tell you where most people fail in meditation." }, { "end_time": "1:17:20", "start_time": "1:17:18", "text": "They're trying too hard." }, { "end_time": "1:17:23", "start_time": "1:17:20", "text": "They're trying to close my eyes, stop my thoughts." }, { "end_time": "1:17:23", "start_time": "1:17:23", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:17:25", "start_time": "1:17:23", "text": "Meditation is about close your eyes and receive." }, { "end_time": "1:17:29", "start_time": "1:17:26", "text": "Maybe today you won't receive anything in the session." }, { "end_time": "1:17:33", "start_time": "1:17:29", "text": "Tomorrow, be open to receiving because power and energy has to be received." }, { "end_time": "1:17:35", "start_time": "1:17:34", "text": "You can't chase it." }, { "end_time": "1:17:38", "start_time": "1:17:35", "text": "So meditation, most people fail, and I can't stop my mind." }, { "end_time": "1:17:40", "start_time": "1:17:38", "text": "I'm like, you've not understood meditation." }, { "end_time": "1:17:48", "start_time": "1:17:40", "text": "Just sit down, receive what are you receiving in those 5 minutes or your 10 minutes, and then take from there and build whatever you have to do." }, { "end_time": "1:17:54", "start_time": "1:17:49", "text": "So, you know, these are things which, you know, people see in different perceptions." }, { "end_time": "1:17:59", "start_time": "1:17:54", "text": "But now someone would run behind the study and say that unless this is proven, I won't do it." }, { "end_time": "1:18:03", "start_time": "1:17:59", "text": "You're lost, you're gonna waste a lifetime, and 10 years later in your life you'll find out, oh, this study was wrong." }, { "end_time": "1:18:05", "start_time": "1:18:03", "text": "Now which is the next study?" }, { "end_time": "1:18:08", "start_time": "1:18:05", "text": "Now use your intuition, use your gut instinct, science can never explain." }, { "end_time": "1:18:12", "start_time": "1:18:09", "text": "Even surgeons, okay, use their gut instinct in a surgery." }, { "end_time": "1:18:16", "start_time": "1:18:13", "text": "If they go by the textbook that if this happens, you do this." }, { "end_time": "1:18:16", "start_time": "1:18:16", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:18:20", "start_time": "1:18:16", "text": "They think out of the box, they use gut instincts and that's how they save their life." }, { "end_time": "1:18:22", "start_time": "1:18:20", "text": "If they have to go by only the textbook, the patient dies." }, { "end_time": "1:18:25", "start_time": "1:18:22", "text": "And every surgeon knows that, every pilot knows that." }, { "end_time": "1:18:27", "start_time": "1:18:25", "text": "There is gut instinct, which science can't explain." }, { "end_time": "1:18:31", "start_time": "1:18:27", "text": "So these are mysteries in life which we should respect, we should never ridicule." }, { "end_time": "1:18:34", "start_time": "1:18:31", "text": "If you don't believe in it, fine, you ridicule it." }, { "end_time": "1:18:47", "start_time": "1:18:34", "text": "You know, you're only interrupting the energies that are also guiding you, but you're too blinded by your own ego and your pride and the confusion in your mind, which is why, again, meditation is so important for us to see clarity." }, { "end_time": "1:18:48", "start_time": "1:18:47", "text": "Like, look at you." }, { "end_time": "1:18:49", "start_time": "1:18:48", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:18:50", "start_time": "1:18:49", "text": "Look look at you." }, { "end_time": "1:18:52", "start_time": "1:18:50", "text": "You're different from other people." }, { "end_time": "1:18:56", "start_time": "1:18:52", "text": "Doesn't mean you're better than other people, doesn't mean I'm better than someone, you're different." }, { "end_time": "1:18:57", "start_time": "1:18:56", "text": "Different is great." }, { "end_time": "1:19:00", "start_time": "1:18:57", "text": "Different is great because you're harnessing energy, the same energy." }, { "end_time": "1:19:05", "start_time": "1:19:01", "text": "Oh, there are 4 of us in this room right now, the same energy exists." }, { "end_time": "1:19:14", "start_time": "1:19:05", "text": "What you are taking and harnessing that energy and making out of it, okay, is what is making who you, you know, you who you are today." }, { "end_time": "1:19:16", "start_time": "1:19:14", "text": "Everyone's getting the same energy, everyone." }, { "end_time": "1:19:19", "start_time": "1:19:16", "text": "That's why we always say stress is not bad." }, { "end_time": "1:19:20", "start_time": "1:19:19", "text": "Stress is an energy." }, { "end_time": "1:19:21", "start_time": "1:19:20", "text": "It's what you make of it." }, { "end_time": "1:19:23", "start_time": "1:19:21", "text": "It's what you relate to it." }, { "end_time": "1:19:30", "start_time": "1:19:23", "text": "You put 5 people in a room with a problem, some of them will see it as stress, some of them will see it as challenge, some of people will say no big deal." }, { "end_time": "1:19:34", "start_time": "1:19:30", "text": "The same problem, but the way we perceive it, the way we harness it." }, { "end_time": "1:19:36", "start_time": "1:19:34", "text": "There's a tear coming out of my eye, man." }, { "end_time": "1:19:40", "start_time": "1:19:38", "text": "You have cried on the podcast for the first time." }, { "end_time": "1:19:41", "start_time": "1:19:40", "text": "It's it's that's how it is." }, { "end_time": "1:19:47", "start_time": "1:19:41", "text": "And you know my whole point, Ranveer, the reason I like doing content with you is because it's real." }, { "end_time": "1:19:53", "start_time": "1:19:48", "text": "I'm telling you there are loads of podcasts, no disrespect, but we have finite time." }, { "end_time": "1:19:57", "start_time": "1:19:53", "text": "If I'm gonna give 45 minutes to listen to a podcast, I want impact." }, { "end_time": "1:20:02", "start_time": "1:19:58", "text": "I don't wanna learn, hear about stuff that may be nice, you know." }, { "end_time": "1:20:04", "start_time": "1:20:03", "text": "I love social media." }, { "end_time": "1:20:07", "start_time": "1:20:04", "text": "I feel sorry for a lot of so called fans." }, { "end_time": "1:20:10", "start_time": "1:20:07", "text": "And I wish they could change and understand that." }, { "end_time": "1:20:15", "start_time": "1:20:10", "text": "Be a fan, but don't idealize some what are you doing with your extraordinary life?" }, { "end_time": "1:20:17", "start_time": "1:20:15", "text": "You are going to die, you have finite time." }, { "end_time": "1:20:18", "start_time": "1:20:17", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:20:22", "start_time": "1:20:18", "text": "Don't just be this glued in fan on social media putting everyone on a pedestal." }, { "end_time": "1:20:25", "start_time": "1:20:23", "text": "What are you doing with your life?" }, { "end_time": "1:20:26", "start_time": "1:20:25", "text": "Your life?" }, { "end_time": "1:20:34", "start_time": "1:20:26", "text": "People don't understand the unlimited potential, talent that they have, but they're locking that energy, following 1 person, trying to be like them." }, { "end_time": "1:20:35", "start_time": "1:20:34", "text": "Learn, build your life." }, { "end_time": "1:20:36", "start_time": "1:20:35", "text": "Learn, build your life." }, { "end_time": "1:20:41", "start_time": "1:20:36", "text": "So currently, right, I take away from the best doctors, the best nutritionists, the best people, all of that." }, { "end_time": "1:20:42", "start_time": "1:20:41", "text": "And I'm building me." }, { "end_time": "1:20:43", "start_time": "1:20:43", "text": "I'm building me." }, { "end_time": "1:20:45", "start_time": "1:20:43", "text": "But other people are taking and saying, oh, shit." }, { "end_time": "1:20:47", "start_time": "1:20:45", "text": "Let me see what I should do to be better than him." }, { "end_time": "1:20:49", "start_time": "1:20:47", "text": "Let me pull this person down." }, { "end_time": "1:20:50", "start_time": "1:20:49", "text": "Wasting a lifetime." }, { "end_time": "1:20:55", "start_time": "1:20:50", "text": "There's there's abundance in the world, but there's an attitude of lack." }, { "end_time": "1:20:58", "start_time": "1:20:55", "text": "Everyone feels there's not enough, but there is so much." }, { "end_time": "1:20:59", "start_time": "1:20:59", "text": "So much." }, { "end_time": "1:21:03", "start_time": "1:20:59", "text": "So when they change their perspective, they start to change their life right then." }, { "end_time": "1:21:05", "start_time": "1:21:04", "text": "I love you, man." }, { "end_time": "1:21:08", "start_time": "1:21:06", "text": "Like, you you don't know how much." }, { "end_time": "1:21:13", "start_time": "1:21:08", "text": "Like, I mean while I'm grateful for whatever the social media career has given me." }, { "end_time": "1:21:14", "start_time": "1:21:13", "text": "This is what I'm most grateful for." }, { "end_time": "1:21:17", "start_time": "1:21:14", "text": "I'm grateful for social media well but I feel for them." }, { "end_time": "1:21:22", "start_time": "1:21:17", "text": "The other day I put up a post I said do not put people on a pedestal." }, { "end_time": "1:21:23", "start_time": "1:21:22", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:21:25", "start_time": "1:21:23", "text": "Respect them, honor them, appreciate them." }, { "end_time": "1:21:28", "start_time": "1:21:25", "text": "But the moment you put them on a pedestal, you've lowered yourself." }, { "end_time": "1:21:30", "start_time": "1:21:29", "text": "Do you feel you need to lower yourself?" }, { "end_time": "1:21:32", "start_time": "1:21:31", "text": "You don't have to." }, { "end_time": "1:21:34", "start_time": "1:21:32", "text": "You don't have to do that at all." }, { "end_time": "1:21:46", "start_time": "1:21:35", "text": "In our religion, I think all religions against it, they say, worship me, but it is useless if you are not taking my teachings and putting it out to other people." }, { "end_time": "1:21:53", "start_time": "1:21:46", "text": "Don't just come on Sunday mass and touch my toes and kiss me if you are going and treating your brother and your sister and your society badly." }, { "end_time": "1:21:54", "start_time": "1:21:53", "text": "You know, don't do that." }, { "end_time": "1:21:55", "start_time": "1:21:54", "text": "That's false religion." }, { "end_time": "1:21:56", "start_time": "1:21:55", "text": "And that's so beautiful." }, { "end_time": "1:21:57", "start_time": "1:21:57", "text": "That's so beautiful." }, { "end_time": "1:21:59", "start_time": "1:21:57", "text": "So I see that happening on social media." }, { "end_time": "1:22:02", "start_time": "1:21:59", "text": "People are all like trying to be." }, { "end_time": "1:22:03", "start_time": "1:22:02", "text": "What about you?" }, { "end_time": "1:22:08", "start_time": "1:22:03", "text": "What about that unique talent that you know, you're blurring yourself away from?" }, { "end_time": "1:22:10", "start_time": "1:22:08", "text": "And when you find it, people say, look, how did you find your passion?" }, { "end_time": "1:22:11", "start_time": "1:22:10", "text": "I didn't go searching for it." }, { "end_time": "1:22:12", "start_time": "1:22:11", "text": "I found a gap." }, { "end_time": "1:22:14", "start_time": "1:22:13", "text": "I felt inclined towards it." }, { "end_time": "1:22:15", "start_time": "1:22:14", "text": "It became my passion." }, { "end_time": "1:22:16", "start_time": "1:22:15", "text": "It's as simple as that." }, { "end_time": "1:22:19", "start_time": "1:22:16", "text": "There's no strategy around finding it." }, { "end_time": "1:22:22", "start_time": "1:22:19", "text": "You like something, put it first, give it your all." }, { "end_time": "1:22:23", "start_time": "1:22:22", "text": "That's your passion." }, { "end_time": "1:22:24", "start_time": "1:22:23", "text": "Someone's passion could be cooking." }, { "end_time": "1:22:25", "start_time": "1:22:24", "text": "You love cooking." }, { "end_time": "1:22:26", "start_time": "1:22:25", "text": "You have a passion." }, { "end_time": "1:22:28", "start_time": "1:22:26", "text": "You have a passion already." }, { "end_time": "1:22:35", "start_time": "1:22:28", "text": "You know, so I think simplifying things is what keeps me the happiest because I think the world needs simplicity at this point in every aspect." }, { "end_time": "1:22:39", "start_time": "1:22:36", "text": "I do agree when they say that God talks through you." }, { "end_time": "1:22:41", "start_time": "1:22:39", "text": "And and I and I and I feel I feel Now I have to reflect on it." }, { "end_time": "1:22:42", "start_time": "1:22:41", "text": "I agree." }, { "end_time": "1:22:42", "start_time": "1:22:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:22:43", "start_time": "1:22:42", "text": "I'm I'm not a smart guy." }, { "end_time": "1:22:44", "start_time": "1:22:43", "text": "I'm being honest." }, { "end_time": "1:22:46", "start_time": "1:22:44", "text": "And it's not negative self talk." }, { "end_time": "1:22:48", "start_time": "1:22:46", "text": "It's not negative self talk." }, { "end_time": "1:22:50", "start_time": "1:22:48", "text": "My daughter, Tianna, is 7 years old." }, { "end_time": "1:22:51", "start_time": "1:22:50", "text": "She's smart." }, { "end_time": "1:22:55", "start_time": "1:22:51", "text": "Like you said, that generation, intelligent beyond beyond old souls." }, { "end_time": "1:22:57", "start_time": "1:22:55", "text": "And and a very different generation." }, { "end_time": "1:23:01", "start_time": "1:22:57", "text": "You know, Shilpa Shetty and I were talking the other day because of Vianne, her son, Tianna, almost of the same age." }, { "end_time": "1:23:06", "start_time": "1:23:01", "text": "And she was like, Luke, this generation is going to be that change we need, that change." }, { "end_time": "1:23:08", "start_time": "1:23:06", "text": "And I can see it happen." }, { "end_time": "1:23:09", "start_time": "1:23:08", "text": "I can see it happen." }, { "end_time": "1:23:15", "start_time": "1:23:09", "text": "They're like so so intelligent in a different way, and it's a good positive thing to see." }, { "end_time": "1:23:16", "start_time": "1:23:15", "text": "That's why we keep the balance." }, { "end_time": "1:23:19", "start_time": "1:23:16", "text": "This world has to grow up also with social media and everything." }, { "end_time": "1:23:22", "start_time": "1:23:19", "text": "But I think as a society we need to guide them in the right direction." }, { "end_time": "1:23:23", "start_time": "1:23:23", "text": "Be on social media." }, { "end_time": "1:23:24", "start_time": "1:23:23", "text": "But that's not you." }, { "end_time": "1:23:25", "start_time": "1:23:25", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:23:27", "start_time": "1:23:25", "text": "Put your picture up on social media." }, { "end_time": "1:23:27", "start_time": "1:23:27", "text": "But that's not you." }, { "end_time": "1:23:29", "start_time": "1:23:27", "text": "The real you is you." }, { "end_time": "1:23:29", "start_time": "1:23:29", "text": "Are you happy?" }, { "end_time": "1:23:32", "start_time": "1:23:29", "text": "Or are you happier when someone gives you likes on Instagram?" }, { "end_time": "1:23:35", "start_time": "1:23:32", "text": "These are questions that we have to keep asking them because they reflect." }, { "end_time": "1:23:37", "start_time": "1:23:35", "text": "They say, yeah, I'm happy right now." }, { "end_time": "1:23:42", "start_time": "1:23:37", "text": "You know, so we have a lot of work at this stage in our life, bro." }, { "end_time": "1:23:44", "start_time": "1:23:42", "text": "You know, to make them think differently." }, { "end_time": "1:23:47", "start_time": "1:23:44", "text": "Not preach to them, but make them think differently." }, { "end_time": "1:23:53", "start_time": "1:23:47", "text": "Like with Tianna right now, everyone says Luke, you know, you may be this health nutritionist, but they will go through drugs." }, { "end_time": "1:23:54", "start_time": "1:23:53", "text": "They will go through it." }, { "end_time": "1:23:56", "start_time": "1:23:54", "text": "So if they go through it, big deal." }, { "end_time": "1:23:56", "start_time": "1:23:56", "text": "I went through it." }, { "end_time": "1:23:57", "start_time": "1:23:56", "text": "I came out of it fine." }, { "end_time": "1:23:58", "start_time": "1:23:57", "text": "Everyone's tried a joint." }, { "end_time": "1:24:02", "start_time": "1:23:58", "text": "My dad said, Duke, first time you smoke a joint, smoke it with me." }, { "end_time": "1:24:04", "start_time": "1:24:02", "text": "I went to home, smoked a joint with him, lost the thrill of it." }, { "end_time": "1:24:06", "start_time": "1:24:04", "text": "I mean, like, there's no thrill anymore." }, { "end_time": "1:24:07", "start_time": "1:24:06", "text": "He took the thrill out of the whole thing." }, { "end_time": "1:24:08", "start_time": "1:24:07", "text": "It's no big deal." }, { "end_time": "1:24:09", "start_time": "1:24:08", "text": "What's a joint?" }, { "end_time": "1:24:13", "start_time": "1:24:09", "text": "But everyone who's been banned from a joint behind a trill, like, oh, I smoked a joint." }, { "end_time": "1:24:16", "start_time": "1:24:14", "text": "My first joint, second joint, stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "1:24:18", "start_time": "1:24:16", "text": "So I go up to Tianna and I say, come on, let's go out." }, { "end_time": "1:24:19", "start_time": "1:24:18", "text": "Let's go to a shop today." }, { "end_time": "1:24:20", "start_time": "1:24:19", "text": "Let's buy some cigarettes and smoke." }, { "end_time": "1:24:23", "start_time": "1:24:20", "text": "She'd say, daddy, smoking isn't good for you." }, { "end_time": "1:24:25", "start_time": "1:24:23", "text": "And I'll say, no, come on, it's the cool thing." }, { "end_time": "1:24:27", "start_time": "1:24:25", "text": "If you and I wanna be cool, let's smoke a cigarette." }, { "end_time": "1:24:32", "start_time": "1:24:28", "text": "From the age of 5 I've been doing these things with the role, plays and models." }, { "end_time": "1:24:37", "start_time": "1:24:32", "text": "Now I'm not saying it's foolproof, tomorrow she goes and tries a cigarette, I do know she will try it." }, { "end_time": "1:24:40", "start_time": "1:24:37", "text": "And I'm okay, I'm happy if she tries, but I know she will not continue to process." }, { "end_time": "1:24:42", "start_time": "1:24:40", "text": "Because it's in her subconscious mind right now." }, { "end_time": "1:24:45", "start_time": "1:24:42", "text": "So we can only do the best we can." }, { "end_time": "1:24:46", "start_time": "1:24:45", "text": "The best we can." }, { "end_time": "1:24:50", "start_time": "1:24:46", "text": "We can't everything we do cannot be foolproof at all and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "1:24:51", "start_time": "1:24:50", "text": "So I'm experimenting with her." }, { "end_time": "1:24:52", "start_time": "1:24:51", "text": "She's my daughter." }, { "end_time": "1:24:56", "start_time": "1:24:52", "text": "Before I preach to the world, I'm gonna make it work the way I wanna do it, you know." }, { "end_time": "1:24:58", "start_time": "1:24:56", "text": "I'll give you another example with Tianna." }, { "end_time": "1:25:06", "start_time": "1:24:59", "text": "When she was about to turn 2, and all the parents around were, oh, Luke, be ready for the terrible twos, the tantrum threes." }, { "end_time": "1:25:07", "start_time": "1:25:06", "text": "It didn't make sense." }, { "end_time": "1:25:10", "start_time": "1:25:07", "text": "I'm like, this can't be normal." }, { "end_time": "1:25:15", "start_time": "1:25:10", "text": "And in my mind that may be your story, it doesn't have to be my daughter's story and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "1:25:21", "start_time": "1:25:15", "text": "To date, piano 7, I remember one tantrum for something stupid, Natasha, maybe about 3, 4 tantrums and stuff." }, { "end_time": "1:25:23", "start_time": "1:25:22", "text": "Otherwise, it's been a brilliant part." }, { "end_time": "1:25:27", "start_time": "1:25:23", "text": "Now if we had succumbed our thinking to what everyone said, we're manifesting it." }, { "end_time": "1:25:28", "start_time": "1:25:27", "text": "Oh, be ready." }, { "end_time": "1:25:29", "start_time": "1:25:28", "text": "Oh, she's drawing a tantrum." }, { "end_time": "1:25:32", "start_time": "1:25:29", "text": "But we went in with an energy that this doesn't have to be our child." }, { "end_time": "1:25:37", "start_time": "1:25:32", "text": "So when everyone out there is saying, oh, the terrible teens will come and all these parents are, my child, my child." }, { "end_time": "1:25:39", "start_time": "1:25:37", "text": "You're inviting all of that stuff?" }, { "end_time": "1:25:41", "start_time": "1:25:39", "text": "That doesn't have to be your kid." }, { "end_time": "1:25:43", "start_time": "1:25:41", "text": "It doesn't have to be your kid." }, { "end_time": "1:25:44", "start_time": "1:25:43", "text": "Why are you inviting that?" }, { "end_time": "1:25:49", "start_time": "1:25:44", "text": "Why are you manifesting something which is someone else's story in your life?" }, { "end_time": "1:25:51", "start_time": "1:25:49", "text": "It doesn't have to be that way." }, { "end_time": "1:25:52", "start_time": "1:25:51", "text": "Your story can be different." }, { "end_time": "1:25:58", "start_time": "1:25:52", "text": "And how many teenagers are there out there who are stable, who have made lives like you and careers?" }, { "end_time": "1:25:58", "start_time": "1:25:58", "text": "They exist." }, { "end_time": "1:25:59", "start_time": "1:25:58", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:26:03", "start_time": "1:25:59", "text": "So those people's thinking are their stories which they're trying to project on someone else." }, { "end_time": "1:26:07", "start_time": "1:26:03", "text": "And if you're not strong enough, you'd become a victim of their projection." }, { "end_time": "1:26:09", "start_time": "1:26:07", "text": "But if you're strong enough, like, that's your story." }, { "end_time": "1:26:11", "start_time": "1:26:10", "text": "Mine can be different." }, { "end_time": "1:26:20", "start_time": "1:26:11", "text": "And so even if my daughter enters a terrible teen, I'll deal with it at that point, but I'm not gonna start thinking now of a problem that may never exist is my point." }, { "end_time": "1:26:21", "start_time": "1:26:20", "text": "Simplicity, you know." }, { "end_time": "1:26:24", "start_time": "1:26:21", "text": "Stay away from anxiety, which is not required." }, { "end_time": "1:26:28", "start_time": "1:26:25", "text": "So my body is shaking right now." }, { "end_time": "1:26:30", "start_time": "1:26:28", "text": "And I'm not I'm not exaggerating, man." }, { "end_time": "1:26:34", "start_time": "1:26:30", "text": "Like, this is this is just some magic that you've thrown into this content piece." }, { "end_time": "1:26:35", "start_time": "1:26:34", "text": "Like, it's it's crazy." }, { "end_time": "1:26:40", "start_time": "1:26:35", "text": "And, you know, like, just the fact that I get to be a part of this thing with you." }, { "end_time": "1:26:40", "start_time": "1:26:40", "text": "Oh, bro." }, { "end_time": "1:26:41", "start_time": "1:26:40", "text": "Just lay questions at you." }, { "end_time": "1:26:42", "start_time": "1:26:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:26:44", "start_time": "1:26:42", "text": "Man, this is the joy of podcasting, honestly." }, { "end_time": "1:26:47", "start_time": "1:26:44", "text": "Like, that people don't don't understand on that side of the camera." }, { "end_time": "1:26:56", "start_time": "1:26:47", "text": "And I hope that if someone listening to this in 2,031, 41, They should know that in 2021 some something happened in this." }, { "end_time": "1:27:00", "start_time": "1:26:56", "text": "Which brings me to the last portion of this particular episode." }, { "end_time": "1:27:04", "start_time": "1:27:01", "text": "I need I need a break anytime I find my words." }, { "end_time": "1:27:11", "start_time": "1:27:05", "text": "But it brings me to the last, part of this episode which is questions from our Twitter verse, man." }, { "end_time": "1:27:16", "start_time": "1:27:11", "text": "Again, like, listeners of this podcast know that I'm not entered as one like that." }, { "end_time": "1:27:17", "start_time": "1:27:16", "text": "My voice is shaking." }, { "end_time": "1:27:18", "start_time": "1:27:17", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:27:23", "start_time": "1:27:19", "text": "Tushar Vyas asks where do you get your tattoo inspiration from?" }, { "end_time": "1:27:25", "start_time": "1:27:23", "text": "You know I'd love to know this inspiration because okay." }, { "end_time": "1:27:27", "start_time": "1:27:25", "text": "I'll tell you the first time I ever got a tattoo." }, { "end_time": "1:27:30", "start_time": "1:27:27", "text": "I got it in a painful part of my existence." }, { "end_time": "1:27:30", "start_time": "1:27:30", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:27:32", "start_time": "1:27:30", "text": "I don't know if that's the case for you." }, { "end_time": "1:27:32", "start_time": "1:27:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:27:34", "start_time": "1:27:33", "text": "But it gives me strength every day." }, { "end_time": "1:27:36", "start_time": "1:27:34", "text": "I heard The Rock say this about his own tattoos." }, { "end_time": "1:27:47", "start_time": "1:27:36", "text": "He said that there's a certain, cultural trait in Maori culture and Samoan culture where they associate tattoos with strength and moments of their life and their own warrior spirit." }, { "end_time": "1:27:56", "start_time": "1:27:47", "text": "I don't know how much of that is true and how much of that is truly spiritual, but what I do know is that you make your life spiritual or non spiritual through your experiences and your thoughts." }, { "end_time": "1:27:57", "start_time": "1:27:56", "text": "True." }, { "end_time": "1:27:59", "start_time": "1:27:57", "text": "And there's a lot of positivity I attached to my tattoos." }, { "end_time": "1:28:01", "start_time": "1:27:59", "text": "So I'd love to know some of yours." }, { "end_time": "1:28:03", "start_time": "1:28:01", "text": "Like So I grew up in Goa during the hippie time." }, { "end_time": "1:28:04", "start_time": "1:28:04", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:28:09", "start_time": "1:28:04", "text": "And I was always fascinated with these people, you know, white skin, beautiful artwork." }, { "end_time": "1:28:09", "start_time": "1:28:09", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:28:12", "start_time": "1:28:10", "text": "My dad would appreciate paintings." }, { "end_time": "1:28:12", "start_time": "1:28:12", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:28:14", "start_time": "1:28:12", "text": "And I would appreciate body art." }, { "end_time": "1:28:19", "start_time": "1:28:14", "text": "You know, I was there was this one phase where I would go around and see anyone with a tattoo, which was very rare at that point." }, { "end_time": "1:28:21", "start_time": "1:28:19", "text": "Like, Indians having tattoos were very rare, foreigners." }, { "end_time": "1:28:23", "start_time": "1:28:21", "text": "And I would say, can I please click a picture of yours?" }, { "end_time": "1:28:24", "start_time": "1:28:23", "text": "Tell me the story behind your tattoo." }, { "end_time": "1:28:34", "start_time": "1:28:24", "text": "And everyone had this fabulous story about why, what, some of them pain related, some doing dark phases of their life, some of them for strength, some of them were like, you know, I just wanted to be different." }, { "end_time": "1:28:36", "start_time": "1:28:34", "text": "You know, different stories and stuff." }, { "end_time": "1:28:40", "start_time": "1:28:36", "text": "So for me, I was like, when I get a tattoo, it's gonna be, you know, on this arm and that arm and stuff." }, { "end_time": "1:28:44", "start_time": "1:28:40", "text": "So I went and told my dad, he said, do what you want when you earn your own money and you're 18 years old." }, { "end_time": "1:28:49", "start_time": "1:28:44", "text": "So like I said early in the podcast, the moment I was 18, I went and got my first, second tattoo, it grew to an addiction." }, { "end_time": "1:28:54", "start_time": "1:28:49", "text": "So I said, I'll have my own body art on me because I don't appreciate paintings and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "1:28:56", "start_time": "1:28:54", "text": "I can't figure out all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "1:29:00", "start_time": "1:28:56", "text": "But I said I want my own art to be with me, not hanging on a wall." }, { "end_time": "1:29:01", "start_time": "1:29:00", "text": "So I got through it." }, { "end_time": "1:29:04", "start_time": "1:29:01", "text": "Anything that was good in my life at that point or symbolized something, I did it." }, { "end_time": "1:29:08", "start_time": "1:29:04", "text": "So in the yoga phase I got a little bit of a, you know, yoga tattoo." }, { "end_time": "1:29:14", "start_time": "1:29:08", "text": "In my rave party days, I got a whole psychedelic arm with aliens and stars, abstract on one part and stuff." }, { "end_time": "1:29:16", "start_time": "1:29:15", "text": "Zero regrets." }, { "end_time": "1:29:17", "start_time": "1:29:16", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "1:29:19", "start_time": "1:29:17", "text": "Not spiritual at all." }, { "end_time": "1:29:21", "start_time": "1:29:19", "text": "Not to stand out, show off, all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "1:29:22", "start_time": "1:29:21", "text": "It's something personal to me." }, { "end_time": "1:29:26", "start_time": "1:29:22", "text": "I used to feel good having that ink and stuff like that on me." }, { "end_time": "1:29:29", "start_time": "1:29:26", "text": "It's just Is there any inspiration you get from one particular piece?" }, { "end_time": "1:29:35", "start_time": "1:29:32", "text": "So I have I have this in Hebrew, which is dreamer." }, { "end_time": "1:29:38", "start_time": "1:29:35", "text": "I have this in, you know, only God can judge me." }, { "end_time": "1:29:41", "start_time": "1:29:38", "text": "So that's very, very close to my heart, like none of us can judge anyone." }, { "end_time": "1:29:42", "start_time": "1:29:41", "text": "None of us." }, { "end_time": "1:29:44", "start_time": "1:29:42", "text": "Only God can judge us, the universe can judge us." }, { "end_time": "1:29:47", "start_time": "1:29:44", "text": "So that's something which is very inspirational to me." }, { "end_time": "1:29:53", "start_time": "1:29:47", "text": "Also sometimes when my mind goes into judging someone and stuff like that, like, nope, you can't judge that person." }, { "end_time": "1:29:54", "start_time": "1:29:53", "text": "That's god's job." }, { "end_time": "1:29:56", "start_time": "1:29:54", "text": "Your job is to do what you need to do." }, { "end_time": "1:29:58", "start_time": "1:29:56", "text": "So, yeah, that's one inspirational part and stuff." }, { "end_time": "1:30:00", "start_time": "1:29:58", "text": "Will I do another tattoo right now?" }, { "end_time": "1:30:03", "start_time": "1:30:00", "text": "I think I'm out of the phase, but it doesn't mean I may not do it." }, { "end_time": "1:30:03", "start_time": "1:30:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:30:03", "start_time": "1:30:03", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "1:30:09", "start_time": "1:30:03", "text": "I kept a small part on my back, which is free, And I want Diana to draw what she wants." }, { "end_time": "1:30:09", "start_time": "1:30:09", "text": "Like, whatever." }, { "end_time": "1:30:11", "start_time": "1:30:09", "text": "It's crooked and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "1:30:12", "start_time": "1:30:11", "text": "And I wanna get that tattooed." }, { "end_time": "1:30:15", "start_time": "1:30:12", "text": "So it's like raw art of hers on my body." }, { "end_time": "1:30:18", "start_time": "1:30:15", "text": "So I'll I'll probably do that at some point, you know." }, { "end_time": "1:30:20", "start_time": "1:30:18", "text": "Just waiting for our skills to get a little bit better." }, { "end_time": "1:30:22", "start_time": "1:30:20", "text": "A little bit out of whatever now." }, { "end_time": "1:30:23", "start_time": "1:30:22", "text": "But yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:30:27", "start_time": "1:30:24", "text": "Man, oh, this is a nice one." }, { "end_time": "1:30:32", "start_time": "1:30:27", "text": "So Umang Kehlani asks, describe the two parts of his life." }, { "end_time": "1:30:33", "start_time": "1:30:33", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:30:42", "start_time": "1:30:33", "text": "Luke described the two parts of your life in one word each before getting into the world of health and after getting into the world of health." }, { "end_time": "1:30:46", "start_time": "1:30:43", "text": "I think it would be clueless to clued in." }, { "end_time": "1:30:46", "start_time": "1:30:46", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:30:48", "start_time": "1:30:46", "text": "You think just health does that to you?" }, { "end_time": "1:30:49", "start_time": "1:30:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:30:50", "start_time": "1:30:49", "text": "I'm Kludin to my purpose now." }, { "end_time": "1:30:51", "start_time": "1:30:50", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:30:52", "start_time": "1:30:51", "text": "Before that I was clueless." }, { "end_time": "1:30:53", "start_time": "1:30:52", "text": "I was happy." }, { "end_time": "1:30:54", "start_time": "1:30:53", "text": "Just going with the flow." }, { "end_time": "1:30:55", "start_time": "1:30:54", "text": "No complaints." }, { "end_time": "1:30:56", "start_time": "1:30:55", "text": "Clueless." }, { "end_time": "1:30:57", "start_time": "1:30:56", "text": "But now I'm Kludin." }, { "end_time": "1:30:59", "start_time": "1:30:57", "text": "I know what my life mission is." }, { "end_time": "1:31:00", "start_time": "1:30:59", "text": "I know what my gift is." }, { "end_time": "1:31:01", "start_time": "1:31:00", "text": "And I need to utilize it." }, { "end_time": "1:31:03", "start_time": "1:31:01", "text": "So, yeah, I think it would be Kludis to Kludin." }, { "end_time": "1:31:04", "start_time": "1:31:04", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:31:08", "start_time": "1:31:04", "text": "In short, lucky Vignesh at Fitman's Factory asks." }, { "end_time": "1:31:11", "start_time": "1:31:09", "text": "I know you've highlighted this in the podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:31:18", "start_time": "1:31:11", "text": "If you had to highlight some of the initial struggles you faced when you were starting out, if you had to highlight the difficulties, what would the difficulties be?" }, { "end_time": "1:31:19", "start_time": "1:31:19", "text": "Oh, that's a brilliant question." }, { "end_time": "1:31:20", "start_time": "1:31:20", "text": "So number 1." }, { "end_time": "1:31:21", "start_time": "1:31:20", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:31:25", "start_time": "1:31:21", "text": "I didn't have all the fancy certifications that other nutritionists and all have." }, { "end_time": "1:31:28", "start_time": "1:31:25", "text": "You know, I had my basic IHM where nutrition is a subject." }, { "end_time": "1:31:31", "start_time": "1:31:28", "text": "Of course, it's a proper 3 year course, all of that stuff and my GCDA." }, { "end_time": "1:31:37", "start_time": "1:31:32", "text": "So the first thing people would shoot you down, especially when you were growing, like, oh, you don't have these qualifications." }, { "end_time": "1:31:39", "start_time": "1:31:37", "text": "You're not a registered dietitian, all of that." }, { "end_time": "1:31:41", "start_time": "1:31:39", "text": "So I had to go through that struggle." }, { "end_time": "1:31:42", "start_time": "1:31:41", "text": "Like, go through that." }, { "end_time": "1:31:46", "start_time": "1:31:42", "text": "And in my mind is one day I will build my own institute that teaches you my way of thinking." }, { "end_time": "1:31:48", "start_time": "1:31:46", "text": "And we've done it today and affiliated." }, { "end_time": "1:31:49", "start_time": "1:31:48", "text": "So that was a struggle for sure." }, { "end_time": "1:31:58", "start_time": "1:31:49", "text": "Number 2, the second struggle was making the decision of changing from a comfortable 10 year job of fixed money coming in to something where you've never done before." }, { "end_time": "1:32:01", "start_time": "1:31:59", "text": "So that was a struggle that lasted for 24 hours." }, { "end_time": "1:32:01", "start_time": "1:32:01", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:32:06", "start_time": "1:32:01", "text": "You know, the other struggle was making a name for yourself because you don't know who you no one knows you." }, { "end_time": "1:32:09", "start_time": "1:32:06", "text": "No one knows you from corporate to the health field and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "1:32:11", "start_time": "1:32:09", "text": "So that was a little bit of a struggle." }, { "end_time": "1:32:14", "start_time": "1:32:12", "text": "But, I think, that was yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:32:16", "start_time": "1:32:15", "text": "Yeah, the third part on a personal front." }, { "end_time": "1:32:24", "start_time": "1:32:17", "text": "So when I got married and we had Tianna a year later, that was the time my career was like I needed to be in London, Dubai, all of these places." }, { "end_time": "1:32:27", "start_time": "1:32:24", "text": "So that, you know, thing is like your wife's gonna deliver a baby." }, { "end_time": "1:32:27", "start_time": "1:32:27", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:32:29", "start_time": "1:32:27", "text": "And this is the time where you can't be there." }, { "end_time": "1:32:30", "start_time": "1:32:30", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:32:33", "start_time": "1:32:30", "text": "So that was a little bit of a struggle, but of course I had her support completely." }, { "end_time": "1:32:34", "start_time": "1:32:33", "text": "Her mom was down." }, { "end_time": "1:32:36", "start_time": "1:32:34", "text": "She said, just go for it and all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "1:32:41", "start_time": "1:32:36", "text": "So these are struggles which I still think about, but not really as a struggle struggle." }, { "end_time": "1:32:42", "start_time": "1:32:41", "text": "That's what I can think of right now." }, { "end_time": "1:32:43", "start_time": "1:32:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:32:48", "start_time": "1:32:43", "text": "At Ateh22 asks, Luke, what's your way of dealing with toxic and negative people around you?" }, { "end_time": "1:32:50", "start_time": "1:32:48", "text": "And I have some context here." }, { "end_time": "1:32:51", "start_time": "1:32:50", "text": "I remember being in this hall." }, { "end_time": "1:32:53", "start_time": "1:32:51", "text": "I was hosting an event." }, { "end_time": "1:32:55", "start_time": "1:32:54", "text": "You were one of the keynote speakers." }, { "end_time": "1:32:58", "start_time": "1:32:56", "text": "You gave, like, a really powerful keynote speech." }, { "end_time": "1:33:01", "start_time": "1:32:58", "text": "That's the first time I kind of had an open conversation with you also." }, { "end_time": "1:33:03", "start_time": "1:33:01", "text": "I don't know if you remember this." }, { "end_time": "1:33:10", "start_time": "1:33:03", "text": "And there was a panel you were a part of after your keynote speech, and you had dominated the room with that speech." }, { "end_time": "1:33:11", "start_time": "1:33:10", "text": "I remember people being wowed." }, { "end_time": "1:33:12", "start_time": "1:33:11", "text": "I was wowed." }, { "end_time": "1:33:13", "start_time": "1:33:12", "text": "My cofounder Viraj was with me." }, { "end_time": "1:33:14", "start_time": "1:33:13", "text": "He was wowed." }, { "end_time": "1:33:15", "start_time": "1:33:14", "text": "That's the first thing he ever came across." }, { "end_time": "1:33:17", "start_time": "1:33:15", "text": "He said yo, this guy's got something." }, { "end_time": "1:33:20", "start_time": "1:33:17", "text": "You're wearing a t shirt and your track pants." }, { "end_time": "1:33:28", "start_time": "1:33:20", "text": "And there was a businessman in the same room and same panel as you, who was kind of bringing the whole capitalistic side to the fitness discussion." }, { "end_time": "1:33:35", "start_time": "1:33:29", "text": "And he began his talk in that panel by kind of criticizing you for having tattoos." }, { "end_time": "1:33:38", "start_time": "1:33:36", "text": "And you handled it like a gentleman, man." }, { "end_time": "1:33:41", "start_time": "1:33:38", "text": "You you you handled it like a gentleman on the outside." }, { "end_time": "1:33:46", "start_time": "1:33:42", "text": "And I could I could see through you at that point maybe because of all the meditation or just connecting to another child of God." }, { "end_time": "1:33:47", "start_time": "1:33:46", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "1:33:49", "start_time": "1:33:47", "text": "You didn't even let that shake you on the inside." }, { "end_time": "1:33:50", "start_time": "1:33:49", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:33:52", "start_time": "1:33:50", "text": "You he he said something to shake you up." }, { "end_time": "1:33:54", "start_time": "1:33:52", "text": "Do you know what I'm talking about?" }, { "end_time": "1:33:54", "start_time": "1:33:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:33:54", "start_time": "1:33:54", "text": "I remember this." }, { "end_time": "1:33:56", "start_time": "1:33:54", "text": "I remember this very clearly." }, { "end_time": "1:33:57", "start_time": "1:33:56", "text": "You didn't you didn't get shaken up?" }, { "end_time": "1:33:57", "start_time": "1:33:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:33:58", "start_time": "1:33:57", "text": "You're really kinda cool that's your opinion." }, { "end_time": "1:33:59", "start_time": "1:33:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:34:02", "start_time": "1:33:59", "text": "About and and, you know, you didn't give him the permission to affect you." }, { "end_time": "1:34:02", "start_time": "1:34:02", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "1:34:03", "start_time": "1:34:02", "text": "Because I didn't give away my power." }, { "end_time": "1:34:04", "start_time": "1:34:03", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:34:05", "start_time": "1:34:04", "text": "I didn't give away my power." }, { "end_time": "1:34:07", "start_time": "1:34:05", "text": "Only when we give away our power can we be controlled." }, { "end_time": "1:34:09", "start_time": "1:34:08", "text": "So you have to hold on to these." }, { "end_time": "1:34:14", "start_time": "1:34:09", "text": "I'm a 100% clear of why I've done my tattoos and it doesn't define who I am." }, { "end_time": "1:34:19", "start_time": "1:34:15", "text": "It define at the start of my career, I used to go to the US to see patients in hospitals and stuff." }, { "end_time": "1:34:21", "start_time": "1:34:19", "text": "And everyone would be wear your long sleeves." }, { "end_time": "1:34:23", "start_time": "1:34:21", "text": "People would see a tattoo and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "1:34:27", "start_time": "1:34:23", "text": "Today I walk in short pants and whatever to see my patients because they're like, Luke, you're real." }, { "end_time": "1:34:30", "start_time": "1:34:28", "text": "We don't want something someone coming with a suit and a tie." }, { "end_time": "1:34:31", "start_time": "1:34:30", "text": "So people have perspective." }, { "end_time": "1:34:32", "start_time": "1:34:31", "text": "That works for me." }, { "end_time": "1:34:34", "start_time": "1:34:32", "text": "It works for a guy with a suit and a tie." }, { "end_time": "1:34:35", "start_time": "1:34:34", "text": "Wear your suit and a tie." }, { "end_time": "1:34:36", "start_time": "1:34:35", "text": "Don't try to change me." }, { "end_time": "1:34:42", "start_time": "1:34:36", "text": "You you have like this unshaken concrete sense of self confidence, which I've I've picked up from you." }, { "end_time": "1:34:43", "start_time": "1:34:42", "text": "That's what I've learned from you." }, { "end_time": "1:34:45", "start_time": "1:34:43", "text": "See, my job in that room is to share my knowledge." }, { "end_time": "1:34:52", "start_time": "1:34:46", "text": "It doesn't bother me if someone's bothered about what I wear, unless I'm disrespecting someone and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "1:34:59", "start_time": "1:34:52", "text": "Like when I when I go to Dubai and I'm with the Sheikh, he say, Luke, come as you are, but certain events I need you to wear the Arabic tradition for respect of people." }, { "end_time": "1:35:00", "start_time": "1:34:59", "text": "Absolutely fine." }, { "end_time": "1:35:02", "start_time": "1:35:00", "text": "But other events he's saying, be you." }, { "end_time": "1:35:03", "start_time": "1:35:02", "text": "That's who you are." }, { "end_time": "1:35:07", "start_time": "1:35:03", "text": "You're here not for your dress, you're here for your knowledge." }, { "end_time": "1:35:08", "start_time": "1:35:07", "text": "So I'm very clear about that." }, { "end_time": "1:35:12", "start_time": "1:35:08", "text": "So when I'm on stage or whenever I'm whatever, I'm very clear about my intention." }, { "end_time": "1:35:19", "start_time": "1:35:12", "text": "My intention is to impact people, give my message, nothing else nothing else bothers me at all." }, { "end_time": "1:35:24", "start_time": "1:35:19", "text": "So, yeah, I handle this, you know, it doesn't shake me up that much." }, { "end_time": "1:35:24", "start_time": "1:35:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:35:26", "start_time": "1:35:24", "text": "Probably would before and stuff." }, { "end_time": "1:35:28", "start_time": "1:35:26", "text": "Like when I was remember when I was in the people pleaser phase?" }, { "end_time": "1:35:28", "start_time": "1:35:28", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:35:31", "start_time": "1:35:28", "text": "They're like, okay, I gotta dress up now and go and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "1:35:36", "start_time": "1:35:31", "text": "But after a while, people want me for my knowledge, not for how I look and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "1:35:36", "start_time": "1:35:36", "text": "So yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:35:37", "start_time": "1:35:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:35:37", "start_time": "1:35:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:35:37", "start_time": "1:35:37", "text": "I remember this." }, { "end_time": "1:35:39", "start_time": "1:35:37", "text": "I remember this very, very clearly." }, { "end_time": "1:35:40", "start_time": "1:35:39", "text": "Sorry I'm bringing you back." }, { "end_time": "1:35:40", "start_time": "1:35:40", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:35:42", "start_time": "1:35:40", "text": "I'm I'm happy you brought it up again." }, { "end_time": "1:35:46", "start_time": "1:35:42", "text": "Because I want people to know that, you know, I mean, yes, it's nice to dress up all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "1:35:47", "start_time": "1:35:46", "text": "I mean, you dress up fab." }, { "end_time": "1:35:49", "start_time": "1:35:47", "text": "You dress up really, really well." }, { "end_time": "1:35:50", "start_time": "1:35:49", "text": "It it goes with you." }, { "end_time": "1:35:53", "start_time": "1:35:51", "text": "My image goes with me." }, { "end_time": "1:35:59", "start_time": "1:35:53", "text": "And I want everyone to understand that if that's unique to you and you're comfortable, it doesn't matter what the world thinks." }, { "end_time": "1:36:01", "start_time": "1:36:00", "text": "It doesn't matter what the world thinks at all." }, { "end_time": "1:36:03", "start_time": "1:36:01", "text": "I mean, look at David Cox." }, { "end_time": "1:36:05", "start_time": "1:36:04", "text": "It's all his interviews the way he is." }, { "end_time": "1:36:09", "start_time": "1:36:05", "text": "Because you want me for my knowledge or do you want me to look good?" }, { "end_time": "1:36:11", "start_time": "1:36:09", "text": "Be be specific." }, { "end_time": "1:36:14", "start_time": "1:36:11", "text": "Tell me, tomorrow you want me on a podcast, let's say, Luke, I want you to look good." }, { "end_time": "1:36:15", "start_time": "1:36:14", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:36:15", "start_time": "1:36:15", "text": "It's different." }, { "end_time": "1:36:17", "start_time": "1:36:15", "text": "Your intention is not to take my brain." }, { "end_time": "1:36:20", "start_time": "1:36:17", "text": "I won't even come for the podcast because I'm not gonna just dress up and cut." }, { "end_time": "1:36:22", "start_time": "1:36:20", "text": "So intention is everything." }, { "end_time": "1:36:27", "start_time": "1:36:22", "text": "I want I want the younger generation also to realize that, stop looking for validation." }, { "end_time": "1:36:28", "start_time": "1:36:27", "text": "Are you comfortable?" }, { "end_time": "1:36:34", "start_time": "1:36:29", "text": "When I started off on Facebook and stuff where people were like, you need an image consultant, you need to dress." }, { "end_time": "1:36:37", "start_time": "1:36:34", "text": "I said, my job is my message, my job is done." }, { "end_time": "1:36:37", "start_time": "1:36:37", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:36:44", "start_time": "1:36:37", "text": "It's it's built a, you know, multimillion dollar industry today, you know, without me having to change my call and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "1:36:46", "start_time": "1:36:44", "text": "So, yeah, I don't think these things shake me up at all." }, { "end_time": "1:36:47", "start_time": "1:36:46", "text": "It's a personal decision." }, { "end_time": "1:36:48", "start_time": "1:36:47", "text": "I don't have a regret." }, { "end_time": "1:36:54", "start_time": "1:36:48", "text": "Now if I have a regret, I would be attached to guilt, and I would be submissive to that person." }, { "end_time": "1:36:56", "start_time": "1:36:54", "text": "Yes, you know, I shouldn't you know, but that time I was young." }, { "end_time": "1:36:57", "start_time": "1:36:56", "text": "I would justify." }, { "end_time": "1:37:01", "start_time": "1:36:57", "text": "You know, as a kid, you know teenagers, I was a DJ, so I would justify." }, { "end_time": "1:37:08", "start_time": "1:37:01", "text": "You don't have to justify anything that you believe in because you're so strongly, you know, included with what your beliefs are." }, { "end_time": "1:37:10", "start_time": "1:37:08", "text": "No one can shake them ever." }, { "end_time": "1:37:11", "start_time": "1:37:10", "text": "No one can ever shake them." }, { "end_time": "1:37:15", "start_time": "1:37:12", "text": "Every single time I meet you, I pick up something different from you." }, { "end_time": "1:37:18", "start_time": "1:37:15", "text": "And you usually answer the kind of questions that are boiling within my mind." }, { "end_time": "1:37:21", "start_time": "1:37:18", "text": "Maybe in that same week or probably the previous day." }, { "end_time": "1:37:22", "start_time": "1:37:21", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:37:25", "start_time": "1:37:22", "text": "I remember this particular incident was the first time I picked up something from you." }, { "end_time": "1:37:32", "start_time": "1:37:25", "text": "And I was dealing with a lot of image related issues because I had just gotten into the world of fashion based content." }, { "end_time": "1:37:36", "start_time": "1:37:32", "text": "I was dating someone who's extremely image driven at that point, and that energy rubs off on you." }, { "end_time": "1:37:37", "start_time": "1:37:36", "text": "And I saw this happening to you." }, { "end_time": "1:37:45", "start_time": "1:37:37", "text": "And my first inclination when this was happening was that I got I felt extreme anger towards that businessman who I look up to now, by the way." }, { "end_time": "1:37:47", "start_time": "1:37:45", "text": "I followed that guy on Twitter and I see his thoughts." }, { "end_time": "1:37:48", "start_time": "1:37:47", "text": "I realized, okay, there's more to him." }, { "end_time": "1:37:52", "start_time": "1:37:48", "text": "And this was one aspect of his insecurities that he was projecting on you." }, { "end_time": "1:37:56", "start_time": "1:37:52", "text": "I felt anger to him and the way you handled it kind of just cooled me down a bit." }, { "end_time": "1:37:59", "start_time": "1:37:56", "text": "It made me more self confident just by observing you in that room." }, { "end_time": "1:38:04", "start_time": "1:37:59", "text": "The second time I met you in person, which was also the first interview I did with you for biceps." }, { "end_time": "1:38:05", "start_time": "1:38:04", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:38:09", "start_time": "1:38:05", "text": "I picked up so much from you even off camera in that." }, { "end_time": "1:38:14", "start_time": "1:38:09", "text": "But what I picked up from you the most was your sense of belief and how you said that you had spoken to billionaires Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:38:17", "start_time": "1:38:15", "text": "And you asked them what's common between all of them?" }, { "end_time": "1:38:18", "start_time": "1:38:17", "text": "Between all of them." }, { "end_time": "1:38:18", "start_time": "1:38:18", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:38:20", "start_time": "1:38:18", "text": "They said that they all began with a sense of belief." }, { "end_time": "1:38:26", "start_time": "1:38:20", "text": "And I think that's the point in my career where I broke my own perceived limits about my own capabilities." }, { "end_time": "1:38:29", "start_time": "1:38:26", "text": "I always thought that no one the best case scenario for me is to be a media entrepreneur." }, { "end_time": "1:38:30", "start_time": "1:38:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:38:31", "start_time": "1:38:30", "text": "You know, make a little bit of money here and there." }, { "end_time": "1:38:33", "start_time": "1:38:31", "text": "But I won't be able to change the country Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:38:34", "start_time": "1:38:33", "text": "With my current capabilities." }, { "end_time": "1:38:35", "start_time": "1:38:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:38:37", "start_time": "1:38:35", "text": "And that switched something in me." }, { "end_time": "1:38:40", "start_time": "1:38:37", "text": "When now I really started thinking, I started thinking about changing India." }, { "end_time": "1:38:40", "start_time": "1:38:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:38:40", "start_time": "1:38:40", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "1:38:41", "start_time": "1:38:40", "text": "And you can." }, { "end_time": "1:38:42", "start_time": "1:38:41", "text": "Why not?" }, { "end_time": "1:38:43", "start_time": "1:38:42", "text": "You're already doing it." }, { "end_time": "1:38:44", "start_time": "1:38:43", "text": "See, you've done it." }, { "end_time": "1:38:46", "start_time": "1:38:44", "text": "Even if you've done it with one person." }, { "end_time": "1:38:47", "start_time": "1:38:46", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:38:47", "start_time": "1:38:47", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:38:50", "start_time": "1:38:47", "text": "That means you have the capability to incite change." }, { "end_time": "1:38:51", "start_time": "1:38:51", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:38:53", "start_time": "1:38:51", "text": "Now you're adding a number to it." }, { "end_time": "1:38:54", "start_time": "1:38:53", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:38:55", "start_time": "1:38:54", "text": "It doesn't change the fact." }, { "end_time": "1:38:56", "start_time": "1:38:55", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:38:58", "start_time": "1:38:56", "text": "That, you know, you can't change." }, { "end_time": "1:38:59", "start_time": "1:38:58", "text": "You change one person." }, { "end_time": "1:39:02", "start_time": "1:38:59", "text": "Now like Bruce Lee says, you wanna perfect that kick." }, { "end_time": "1:39:02", "start_time": "1:39:02", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:39:04", "start_time": "1:39:02", "text": "Practice that kick 1000 times." }, { "end_time": "1:39:05", "start_time": "1:39:05", "text": "Period." }, { "end_time": "1:39:06", "start_time": "1:39:05", "text": "You've got the first kick perfect." }, { "end_time": "1:39:08", "start_time": "1:39:07", "text": "Now practice it a 1000 times." }, { "end_time": "1:39:10", "start_time": "1:39:08", "text": "So you're impacting 1 person at a time." }, { "end_time": "1:39:15", "start_time": "1:39:10", "text": "Me, so when I say I wanna change the world, that world for me is not like every single country." }, { "end_time": "1:39:18", "start_time": "1:39:15", "text": "That world is if you're sitting in front of me right now, that's my world right now." }, { "end_time": "1:39:20", "start_time": "1:39:18", "text": "I change you, I change someone else tomorrow." }, { "end_time": "1:39:23", "start_time": "1:39:20", "text": "And that's what builds up the entire the mass of the world." }, { "end_time": "1:39:30", "start_time": "1:39:24", "text": "But going out and saying I wanna change the whole world, that's like a very loose statement which I will not have faith in." }, { "end_time": "1:39:35", "start_time": "1:39:30", "text": "But if a patient in front of me at that point, in that 30 minutes they have with me is my world." }, { "end_time": "1:39:36", "start_time": "1:39:35", "text": "There's nothing else." }, { "end_time": "1:39:37", "start_time": "1:39:36", "text": "That's my world." }, { "end_time": "1:39:38", "start_time": "1:39:37", "text": "I changed their life, I've changed the world." }, { "end_time": "1:39:38", "start_time": "1:39:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:39:41", "start_time": "1:39:38", "text": "So I've changed the definition of what the world is to me." }, { "end_time": "1:39:44", "start_time": "1:39:41", "text": "So when you say, oh, my my daughter is my world." }, { "end_time": "1:39:45", "start_time": "1:39:44", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:39:49", "start_time": "1:39:45", "text": "Which means, you know, at that point, whether she's sleeping, whatever, she's my world." }, { "end_time": "1:39:49", "start_time": "1:39:49", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:39:54", "start_time": "1:39:50", "text": "So sometimes we need to take these words and redefine it according to what we are." }, { "end_time": "1:39:56", "start_time": "1:39:54", "text": "So, yes, can I say I'm changing the world today?" }, { "end_time": "1:40:00", "start_time": "1:39:56", "text": "Of course, I am changing the world because my definition of the world doesn't have to be what other people think." }, { "end_time": "1:40:00", "start_time": "1:40:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:40:02", "start_time": "1:40:00", "text": "I'm changing it one world at a time." }, { "end_time": "1:40:02", "start_time": "1:40:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:40:10", "start_time": "1:40:02", "text": "You know, there's one of the criticisms that our team receives that we talk too much about changing India, but that's genuinely because I believe it begins with a belief." }, { "end_time": "1:40:11", "start_time": "1:40:10", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "1:40:11", "start_time": "1:40:11", "text": "You have to have a belief." }, { "end_time": "1:40:15", "start_time": "1:40:11", "text": "There has to be that one guy who thinks that big for the other people to say, okay." }, { "end_time": "1:40:16", "start_time": "1:40:15", "text": "We back you, man." }, { "end_time": "1:40:18", "start_time": "1:40:16", "text": "Yeah, but you know, you have to look at it differently." }, { "end_time": "1:40:20", "start_time": "1:40:18", "text": "You're bang on with your first point." }, { "end_time": "1:40:22", "start_time": "1:40:20", "text": "Why do people have a problem with that?" }, { "end_time": "1:40:24", "start_time": "1:40:22", "text": "Because they don't wanna change." }, { "end_time": "1:40:33", "start_time": "1:40:24", "text": "Once I had a patient who came to me, okay, to lose weight and diabetes and said I know all of this, I know this, I know this, I should do this this this this this this." }, { "end_time": "1:40:35", "start_time": "1:40:34", "text": "And he said, okay, please give me a diet plan." }, { "end_time": "1:40:37", "start_time": "1:40:35", "text": "I said, you don't need a diet plan." }, { "end_time": "1:40:38", "start_time": "1:40:37", "text": "He said, what do I need?" }, { "end_time": "1:40:42", "start_time": "1:40:38", "text": "I said, you need to just do whatever you said you should be doing." }, { "end_time": "1:40:44", "start_time": "1:40:42", "text": "He's saying, I paid you so much for this." }, { "end_time": "1:40:45", "start_time": "1:40:44", "text": "I said, yeah, that's the prescription." }, { "end_time": "1:40:49", "start_time": "1:40:46", "text": "You answered everything the right way." }, { "end_time": "1:40:50", "start_time": "1:40:49", "text": "You just lack action." }, { "end_time": "1:40:54", "start_time": "1:40:50", "text": "How can a diet plan, okay, substitute action?" }, { "end_time": "1:40:54", "start_time": "1:40:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:40:56", "start_time": "1:40:54", "text": "You don't need a diet plan." }, { "end_time": "1:41:00", "start_time": "1:40:56", "text": "She's really angry, went up on Twitter, and all I paid is expensive fees, and he told me action." }, { "end_time": "1:41:01", "start_time": "1:41:00", "text": "I went and replied to him." }, { "end_time": "1:41:03", "start_time": "1:41:01", "text": "I said, still the prescription is the same." }, { "end_time": "1:41:05", "start_time": "1:41:03", "text": "You only have to action what you need to do." }, { "end_time": "1:41:08", "start_time": "1:41:05", "text": "You know, so we gotta call a spade a spade at some point and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "1:41:12", "start_time": "1:41:08", "text": "There are just too many people talking out there, but not applying." }, { "end_time": "1:41:12", "start_time": "1:41:12", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:41:13", "start_time": "1:41:12", "text": "Not applying." }, { "end_time": "1:41:14", "start_time": "1:41:13", "text": "And you know what?" }, { "end_time": "1:41:15", "start_time": "1:41:14", "text": "A lot of that comes from low self worth." }, { "end_time": "1:41:16", "start_time": "1:41:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:41:16", "start_time": "1:41:16", "text": "A 100%." }, { "end_time": "1:41:17", "start_time": "1:41:16", "text": "A lot of it from low self worth." }, { "end_time": "1:41:21", "start_time": "1:41:17", "text": "And you, kind of try eclipsing that low self worth with your sense of intellect." }, { "end_time": "1:41:22", "start_time": "1:41:21", "text": "Oh." }, { "end_time": "1:41:22", "start_time": "1:41:22", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "1:41:23", "start_time": "1:41:22", "text": "That's why I said extremes." }, { "end_time": "1:41:24", "start_time": "1:41:23", "text": "Remember?" }, { "end_time": "1:41:26", "start_time": "1:41:24", "text": "People wanna move into extremes." }, { "end_time": "1:41:26", "start_time": "1:41:26", "text": "They feel important." }, { "end_time": "1:41:27", "start_time": "1:41:26", "text": "They feel empowered." }, { "end_time": "1:41:29", "start_time": "1:41:27", "text": "That, oh, I'm vegan." }, { "end_time": "1:41:30", "start_time": "1:41:29", "text": "I'm carnivore." }, { "end_time": "1:41:31", "start_time": "1:41:30", "text": "I'm this." }, { "end_time": "1:41:32", "start_time": "1:41:31", "text": "I'm no fap." }, { "end_time": "1:41:34", "start_time": "1:41:32", "text": "I'm I respect you." }, { "end_time": "1:41:35", "start_time": "1:41:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:41:36", "start_time": "1:41:35", "text": "Do it quietly." }, { "end_time": "1:41:38", "start_time": "1:41:37", "text": "Do it quietly." }, { "end_time": "1:41:41", "start_time": "1:41:38", "text": "You know, I I said this in a tweet and, I mean, you can bleep off the word." }, { "end_time": "1:41:55", "start_time": "1:41:41", "text": "I said there are people who literally themselves senseless by overeating, overconsuming porn, over dieting, over exercising, and then they want extremes to solve the problem." }, { "end_time": "1:41:56", "start_time": "1:41:56", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:42:01", "start_time": "1:41:56", "text": "If you over consume porn, okay, nofap is not your solution." }, { "end_time": "1:42:02", "start_time": "1:42:01", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:42:03", "start_time": "1:42:02", "text": "Balance is your solution." }, { "end_time": "1:42:08", "start_time": "1:42:04", "text": "If you over consume fad diets, going to an extreme diet is not your solution." }, { "end_time": "1:42:11", "start_time": "1:42:08", "text": "Achieving balance is your solution." }, { "end_time": "1:42:12", "start_time": "1:42:11", "text": "These are good things." }, { "end_time": "1:42:13", "start_time": "1:42:12", "text": "No fap, all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "1:42:15", "start_time": "1:42:13", "text": "But don't make this your world." }, { "end_time": "1:42:16", "start_time": "1:42:15", "text": "You've over consumed it." }, { "end_time": "1:42:24", "start_time": "1:42:16", "text": "You've not just become some spiritual guru of no fap when you were consuming porn like 8 hours in a day and now you've moved from one extreme to another." }, { "end_time": "1:42:25", "start_time": "1:42:24", "text": "Learn self restraint." }, { "end_time": "1:42:27", "start_time": "1:42:26", "text": "Not nofap." }, { "end_time": "1:42:28", "start_time": "1:42:27", "text": "Don't go to an extreme." }, { "end_time": "1:42:29", "start_time": "1:42:28", "text": "Extremes are easy." }, { "end_time": "1:42:34", "start_time": "1:42:29", "text": "But restraint like I wanna watch porn right now but I use self restraint and I don't do it." }, { "end_time": "1:42:37", "start_time": "1:42:34", "text": "You've made a new neural circuit in your mind." }, { "end_time": "1:42:41", "start_time": "1:42:37", "text": "By NoFap you've not really developed anything else over time, yes, you may do it." }, { "end_time": "1:42:44", "start_time": "1:42:41", "text": "But show me self restraint and discipline now in the moment." }, { "end_time": "1:42:51", "start_time": "1:42:45", "text": "But you're empowering yourself with an extreme mechanism, which is not sustainable, which is not sustainable." }, { "end_time": "1:42:54", "start_time": "1:42:52", "text": "The basis of karma sutra is balance." }, { "end_time": "1:42:55", "start_time": "1:42:55", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:42:59", "start_time": "1:42:55", "text": "You're not like screwing and making love every single night." }, { "end_time": "1:43:07", "start_time": "1:42:59", "text": "The beauty of karma sutra is there's a preparation towards that weekend, you know, of conversation, gestures, giving a flower, cooking food." }, { "end_time": "1:43:09", "start_time": "1:43:07", "text": "That's your build up." }, { "end_time": "1:43:12", "start_time": "1:43:09", "text": "That's your foreplay to the main event and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "1:43:16", "start_time": "1:43:12", "text": "I mean you're shagging every day and all of that stuff and whatever and then you wanna choose an extreme." }, { "end_time": "1:43:18", "start_time": "1:43:16", "text": "And then that becomes your self identity." }, { "end_time": "1:43:20", "start_time": "1:43:19", "text": "That becomes your identity." }, { "end_time": "1:43:21", "start_time": "1:43:20", "text": "So now you feel special." }, { "end_time": "1:43:22", "start_time": "1:43:21", "text": "Oh, wow." }, { "end_time": "1:43:27", "start_time": "1:43:22", "text": "But you're not showing people that you over consume something before, so your extreme is not a solution." }, { "end_time": "1:43:32", "start_time": "1:43:27", "text": "What about people my happiest people, okay, are not on fad diets." }, { "end_time": "1:43:34", "start_time": "1:43:32", "text": "They're not on fad exercises." }, { "end_time": "1:43:36", "start_time": "1:43:34", "text": "They enjoy a shag whenever they want." }, { "end_time": "1:43:38", "start_time": "1:43:36", "text": "They're doing all of these things and they're happy." }, { "end_time": "1:43:42", "start_time": "1:43:38", "text": "So is extremes better than balance is the debatable question." }, { "end_time": "1:43:45", "start_time": "1:43:42", "text": "Or is it a sense of, you know, identity?" }, { "end_time": "1:43:46", "start_time": "1:43:45", "text": "I'm right there, Om." }, { "end_time": "1:43:47", "start_time": "1:43:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:43:49", "start_time": "1:43:47", "text": "And I'm I'm feeling part of a group." }, { "end_time": "1:43:53", "start_time": "1:43:49", "text": "I can't stand up I can't stand up alone and say that this is it." }, { "end_time": "1:43:55", "start_time": "1:43:53", "text": "I need to hide with a group." }, { "end_time": "1:43:57", "start_time": "1:43:55", "text": "I have to hide with a group and stuff." }, { "end_time": "1:43:58", "start_time": "1:43:57", "text": "I have nothing against these things." }, { "end_time": "1:44:03", "start_time": "1:43:58", "text": "But my point is you have to look deeper below these things and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "1:44:05", "start_time": "1:44:03", "text": "So I have people on, no, Fab look, I'm having night falls." }, { "end_time": "1:44:07", "start_time": "1:44:05", "text": "What is your body trying to tell you?" }, { "end_time": "1:44:09", "start_time": "1:44:07", "text": "You have extra semen in your testicles?" }, { "end_time": "1:44:12", "start_time": "1:44:09", "text": "Go get a good shag or if you have a partner, make love." }, { "end_time": "1:44:15", "start_time": "1:44:12", "text": "Seriously, you know, listen to your body." }, { "end_time": "1:44:16", "start_time": "1:44:15", "text": "These are natural things." }, { "end_time": "1:44:19", "start_time": "1:44:17", "text": "And now over masturbation is your problem." }, { "end_time": "1:44:20", "start_time": "1:44:19", "text": "You've abused the system." }, { "end_time": "1:44:21", "start_time": "1:44:20", "text": "I talk about alcohol." }, { "end_time": "1:44:23", "start_time": "1:44:21", "text": "The problem is never with alcohol." }, { "end_time": "1:44:25", "start_time": "1:44:23", "text": "The problem is with the person behind the alcohol." }, { "end_time": "1:44:28", "start_time": "1:44:26", "text": "If alcohol was bad, everyone should have liver cirrhosis." }, { "end_time": "1:44:29", "start_time": "1:44:28", "text": "Everyone should be drunk." }, { "end_time": "1:44:32", "start_time": "1:44:30", "text": "But the people who abuse it use it with the wrong intention." }, { "end_time": "1:44:35", "start_time": "1:44:33", "text": "So you don't blame the alcohol, you blame the person." }, { "end_time": "1:44:40", "start_time": "1:44:36", "text": "So extremes, you know, I mean these things are messing up society." }, { "end_time": "1:44:43", "start_time": "1:44:40", "text": "Every young guy thinks I need to be, okay let me select my path." }, { "end_time": "1:44:43", "start_time": "1:44:43", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:44:45", "start_time": "1:44:43", "text": "Oh, vegans are getting attention." }, { "end_time": "1:44:46", "start_time": "1:44:45", "text": "People doing it for the right reasons." }, { "end_time": "1:44:47", "start_time": "1:44:46", "text": "Great." }, { "end_time": "1:44:47", "start_time": "1:44:47", "text": "I understand." }, { "end_time": "1:44:48", "start_time": "1:44:48", "text": "Do it." }, { "end_time": "1:44:49", "start_time": "1:44:49", "text": "Do it the right way." }, { "end_time": "1:44:53", "start_time": "1:44:49", "text": "But don't make it your identity because your self worth is so low." }, { "end_time": "1:44:53", "start_time": "1:44:53", "text": "That's my point." }, { "end_time": "1:44:54", "start_time": "1:44:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:45:01", "start_time": "1:44:54", "text": "I feel like even like, I mean, every young person goes through this where you have to kind of bounce between extremes to then come to equilibrium." }, { "end_time": "1:45:02", "start_time": "1:45:01", "text": "I've gone through that as well." }, { "end_time": "1:45:02", "start_time": "1:45:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:45:03", "start_time": "1:45:02", "text": "All of us have." }, { "end_time": "1:45:04", "start_time": "1:45:03", "text": "But finally, balance." }, { "end_time": "1:45:05", "start_time": "1:45:05", "text": "Look." }, { "end_time": "1:45:07", "start_time": "1:45:05", "text": "I mean, there's no debate about that." }, { "end_time": "1:45:07", "start_time": "1:45:07", "text": "Look at nature." }, { "end_time": "1:45:09", "start_time": "1:45:07", "text": "Nature is balance." }, { "end_time": "1:45:10", "start_time": "1:45:09", "text": "It is balance." }, { "end_time": "1:45:13", "start_time": "1:45:10", "text": "Even though there are one flower a rose." }, { "end_time": "1:45:14", "start_time": "1:45:13", "text": "There can be 5 roses." }, { "end_time": "1:45:15", "start_time": "1:45:14", "text": "They will all look different." }, { "end_time": "1:45:16", "start_time": "1:45:16", "text": "Balance." }, { "end_time": "1:45:18", "start_time": "1:45:16", "text": "They can't all look the same." }, { "end_time": "1:45:19", "start_time": "1:45:18", "text": "It's the same way." }, { "end_time": "1:45:21", "start_time": "1:45:19", "text": "We're products of nature at the end of the day." }, { "end_time": "1:45:22", "start_time": "1:45:21", "text": "We work in balance of equilibrium." }, { "end_time": "1:45:24", "start_time": "1:45:22", "text": "That's why it's called a rhythm." }, { "end_time": "1:45:25", "start_time": "1:45:24", "text": "Your heartbeat is a rhythm." }, { "end_time": "1:45:27", "start_time": "1:45:25", "text": "Your pulse rate is a rhythm." }, { "end_time": "1:45:28", "start_time": "1:45:27", "text": "Your breath is a rhythm." }, { "end_time": "1:45:30", "start_time": "1:45:28", "text": "What happens now if the rhythm of your breath changes?" }, { "end_time": "1:45:32", "start_time": "1:45:30", "text": "The rhythm of your heart changes?" }, { "end_time": "1:45:33", "start_time": "1:45:32", "text": "The rhythm of your pulse?" }, { "end_time": "1:45:37", "start_time": "1:45:33", "text": "You move away from it's called homeostasis when everything is working in rhythm." }, { "end_time": "1:45:37", "start_time": "1:45:37", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:45:38", "start_time": "1:45:37", "text": "That is nature." }, { "end_time": "1:45:43", "start_time": "1:45:38", "text": "The moment one of them change, your body moves into the, sympathetic nervous system." }, { "end_time": "1:45:44", "start_time": "1:45:43", "text": "Fight and flight." }, { "end_time": "1:45:44", "start_time": "1:45:44", "text": "Something's wrong." }, { "end_time": "1:45:50", "start_time": "1:45:44", "text": "So until Ranveer's heartbeat comes back into normal, which is homeostasis, you know the body is in stress mode." }, { "end_time": "1:45:51", "start_time": "1:45:50", "text": "It is rhythm." }, { "end_time": "1:45:53", "start_time": "1:45:51", "text": "Extremes are not rhythm." }, { "end_time": "1:45:54", "start_time": "1:45:53", "text": "It's disharmony." }, { "end_time": "1:45:57", "start_time": "1:45:55", "text": "These people in extreme should be calmer people." }, { "end_time": "1:46:02", "start_time": "1:45:57", "text": "They should be happier people, but they're more aggressive and angry and stuff like that because the intention is wrong." }, { "end_time": "1:46:02", "start_time": "1:46:02", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:46:03", "start_time": "1:46:02", "text": "Simple question." }, { "end_time": "1:46:07", "start_time": "1:46:05", "text": "Asks how to maintain consistency in life?" }, { "end_time": "1:46:09", "start_time": "1:46:07", "text": "That's a simple but profound question." }, { "end_time": "1:46:16", "start_time": "1:46:09", "text": "Yeah, I think it's a beautiful question because like every like the 2 main ingredients for achievement on anything in life is discipline and consistency." }, { "end_time": "1:46:19", "start_time": "1:46:16", "text": "So consistency is like you're already doing it, right?" }, { "end_time": "1:46:21", "start_time": "1:46:19", "text": "I believe you're brushing your teeth every morning." }, { "end_time": "1:46:21", "start_time": "1:46:21", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:46:22", "start_time": "1:46:21", "text": "That's consistency." }, { "end_time": "1:46:23", "start_time": "1:46:23", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:46:24", "start_time": "1:46:23", "text": "It's the same thing." }, { "end_time": "1:46:26", "start_time": "1:46:24", "text": "Something that is important to you." }, { "end_time": "1:46:30", "start_time": "1:46:26", "text": "If you're unable to be consistent with something, that means you've not assigned it enough of value." }, { "end_time": "1:46:31", "start_time": "1:46:30", "text": "It's not important to you." }, { "end_time": "1:46:32", "start_time": "1:46:31", "text": "Don't fool yourself." }, { "end_time": "1:46:35", "start_time": "1:46:33", "text": "Make it important first then it becomes consistent." }, { "end_time": "1:46:37", "start_time": "1:46:35", "text": "Like brushing your teeth is important to you." }, { "end_time": "1:46:38", "start_time": "1:46:37", "text": "You don't want your mouth to smell." }, { "end_time": "1:46:39", "start_time": "1:46:38", "text": "So you do it consistently." }, { "end_time": "1:46:40", "start_time": "1:46:39", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:46:41", "start_time": "1:46:40", "text": "It's become a habit." }, { "end_time": "1:46:43", "start_time": "1:46:41", "text": "Because when you do something consistently, it becomes a habit." }, { "end_time": "1:46:46", "start_time": "1:46:43", "text": "So if your health is really important to you." }, { "end_time": "1:46:46", "start_time": "1:46:46", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:46:48", "start_time": "1:46:46", "text": "So people say, look, I'm not motivated to work out." }, { "end_time": "1:46:50", "start_time": "1:46:48", "text": "Say because it's not important to you." }, { "end_time": "1:46:50", "start_time": "1:46:50", "text": "It's not important." }, { "end_time": "1:46:54", "start_time": "1:46:50", "text": "You make it important first, so you can't keep motivating yourself every day." }, { "end_time": "1:46:56", "start_time": "1:46:54", "text": "But if you make it important, you'll automatically find." }, { "end_time": "1:46:57", "start_time": "1:46:56", "text": "So it's all about assigning values." }, { "end_time": "1:47:02", "start_time": "1:46:57", "text": "So whatever it is that you're trying to be consistent with, assign it value." }, { "end_time": "1:47:04", "start_time": "1:47:02", "text": "Assign it value and then start doing it." }, { "end_time": "1:47:08", "start_time": "1:47:04", "text": "You fail a couple of days, get back on, that's what builds consistency over time." }, { "end_time": "1:47:09", "start_time": "1:47:08", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:47:13", "start_time": "1:47:09", "text": "This is slightly kind of a health and maybe brain related question." }, { "end_time": "1:47:13", "start_time": "1:47:13", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:47:17", "start_time": "1:47:14", "text": "Nitu Singh asks, I have dreams every night when I go to sleep." }, { "end_time": "1:47:18", "start_time": "1:47:17", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:47:20", "start_time": "1:47:18", "text": "I never get a good night sleep." }, { "end_time": "1:47:21", "start_time": "1:47:20", "text": "And how to solve it?" }, { "end_time": "1:47:24", "start_time": "1:47:21", "text": "Is there any solution to having dreamless sleep?" }, { "end_time": "1:47:25", "start_time": "1:47:24", "text": "She's talking about REM sleep." }, { "end_time": "1:47:25", "start_time": "1:47:25", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:47:27", "start_time": "1:47:26", "text": "So how to increase the honor?" }, { "end_time": "1:47:27", "start_time": "1:47:27", "text": "It depends." }, { "end_time": "1:47:28", "start_time": "1:47:27", "text": "Nothing wrong with dreams." }, { "end_time": "1:47:32", "start_time": "1:47:28", "text": "But if you can remember all of your dreams in the morning, that means you've not gone into deep sleep." }, { "end_time": "1:47:35", "start_time": "1:47:32", "text": "And that's why you're possibly feeling tired and fatigued throughout the day." }, { "end_time": "1:47:35", "start_time": "1:47:35", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:47:41", "start_time": "1:47:35", "text": "So what happens is definitely meditation or deep breathing or left nostril breathing before, that helps you to move." }, { "end_time": "1:47:44", "start_time": "1:47:41", "text": "There are your alpha waves, your beta, your theta, your gamma." }, { "end_time": "1:47:47", "start_time": "1:47:44", "text": "So we wanna move into these right phases of deep sleep." }, { "end_time": "1:47:49", "start_time": "1:47:47", "text": "And deep sleep is when it's dreamless." }, { "end_time": "1:47:55", "start_time": "1:47:50", "text": "Many of us may not reach that stage, and if we reach it, it's probably even for just a few minutes, but that's your deepest sleep." }, { "end_time": "1:48:00", "start_time": "1:47:55", "text": "So if you can remember all of your dreams and you're not sleeping deep enough, the dreams are not bad." }, { "end_time": "1:48:02", "start_time": "1:48:00", "text": "But what is your environment before you get to bed?" }, { "end_time": "1:48:07", "start_time": "1:48:02", "text": "You know, do your deep breathing, your cut away from social media because that keeps the thought process going." }, { "end_time": "1:48:10", "start_time": "1:48:07", "text": "You've not yet hit your waves of deep sleep." }, { "end_time": "1:48:12", "start_time": "1:48:10", "text": "So that's that's a very common thing." }, { "end_time": "1:48:15", "start_time": "1:48:12", "text": "It's nothing to worry about but you wanna fall into deeper sleep Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:48:16", "start_time": "1:48:15", "text": "Using these mechanisms." }, { "end_time": "1:48:18", "start_time": "1:48:16", "text": "I'd probably say look into Luke's raw and real." }, { "end_time": "1:48:23", "start_time": "1:48:19", "text": "You might you might find some pranayam related pieces." }, { "end_time": "1:48:24", "start_time": "1:48:24", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:48:31", "start_time": "1:48:24", "text": "Samrit Singh Rajput, he's quoted my tweet and says, are there any tips for students who are in school or colleges?" }, { "end_time": "1:48:33", "start_time": "1:48:31", "text": "There's a lot of mental health issues going around." }, { "end_time": "1:48:36", "start_time": "1:48:33", "text": "Any advice for mental health for school and college students?" }, { "end_time": "1:48:37", "start_time": "1:48:37", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:48:41", "start_time": "1:48:37", "text": "So my first question again, if you do have a genuine mental health problem, okay." }, { "end_time": "1:48:41", "start_time": "1:48:41", "text": "Fine." }, { "end_time": "1:48:46", "start_time": "1:48:42", "text": "But really is your problem a mental health problem?" }, { "end_time": "1:48:49", "start_time": "1:48:46", "text": "Or is it a norm that society has defined for you that you have made a problem?" }, { "end_time": "1:48:53", "start_time": "1:48:49", "text": "Like, oh, I can't party for 3 Saturdays because I have to study." }, { "end_time": "1:48:55", "start_time": "1:48:53", "text": "Is that really a problem?" }, { "end_time": "1:48:59", "start_time": "1:48:55", "text": "Or is it something that you should be sacrificing if you want to achieve something?" }, { "end_time": "1:49:02", "start_time": "1:48:59", "text": "A lot of so called mental problems are not really problems." }, { "end_time": "1:49:06", "start_time": "1:49:02", "text": "It's because it doesn't match with the norms that society has given." }, { "end_time": "1:49:10", "start_time": "1:49:06", "text": "So by now I should be in a psychiatric ward, technically." }, { "end_time": "1:49:12", "start_time": "1:49:10", "text": "Because I don't go out on the weekends." }, { "end_time": "1:49:16", "start_time": "1:49:12", "text": "I don't like chilling with people and friends in a very small circle." }, { "end_time": "1:49:23", "start_time": "1:49:16", "text": "So when people say, Luke, but you're this famous person, you don't whatever, you know, just because it doesn't fit your norms doesn't make me crazy." }, { "end_time": "1:49:27", "start_time": "1:49:23", "text": "It doesn't make me seem like I have a mental problem, you know." }, { "end_time": "1:49:29", "start_time": "1:49:28", "text": "So first, be honest with yourself." }, { "end_time": "1:49:32", "start_time": "1:49:29", "text": "Is your problem really a mental problem?" }, { "end_time": "1:49:36", "start_time": "1:49:33", "text": "If it is, if you need help, take it, however bad it is." }, { "end_time": "1:49:43", "start_time": "1:49:36", "text": "Number 2, my my most important point is remember right now that you are responsible for solving your problem as well." }, { "end_time": "1:49:49", "start_time": "1:49:43", "text": "Take help, coaching, mentors, reach out to people, your parents, communicate, all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "1:49:51", "start_time": "1:49:49", "text": "Being in your own little pit will not solve your problems." }, { "end_time": "1:49:55", "start_time": "1:49:52", "text": "But know at the end of the day that only you can solve your problem." }, { "end_time": "1:50:01", "start_time": "1:49:55", "text": "Whether you get on the medication, it's doing only its little job of balancing your serotonin, your dopamine, or whatever it is." }, { "end_time": "1:50:05", "start_time": "1:50:01", "text": "But finally, you have to decide that I'm bigger than this problem." }, { "end_time": "1:50:07", "start_time": "1:50:05", "text": "I'm bigger than this problem." }, { "end_time": "1:50:12", "start_time": "1:50:07", "text": "So if they can state a little more in the next podcast maybe what these problems are, we can face it." }, { "end_time": "1:50:14", "start_time": "1:50:12", "text": "Like a lot of kids, you know, I'm mentally depressed." }, { "end_time": "1:50:15", "start_time": "1:50:14", "text": "I don't have a girlfriend." }, { "end_time": "1:50:17", "start_time": "1:50:15", "text": "I said, bro, today that's a positive." }, { "end_time": "1:50:19", "start_time": "1:50:17", "text": "At that age, why do you wanna be locked in at 13?" }, { "end_time": "1:50:22", "start_time": "1:50:20", "text": "You know, go explore your options, learn from everyone." }, { "end_time": "1:50:26", "start_time": "1:50:22", "text": "I mean, you'll have an age where you have to be with 1 girl." }, { "end_time": "1:50:26", "start_time": "1:50:26", "text": "Right now, no." }, { "end_time": "1:50:28", "start_time": "1:50:26", "text": "13 is for you to enjoy your life." }, { "end_time": "1:50:29", "start_time": "1:50:28", "text": "That's not a mental problem." }, { "end_time": "1:50:33", "start_time": "1:50:29", "text": "But because everyone else has a girlfriend, okay, you feel inadequate." }, { "end_time": "1:50:34", "start_time": "1:50:33", "text": "You You don't have a mental problem." }, { "end_time": "1:50:35", "start_time": "1:50:34", "text": "You're just different." }, { "end_time": "1:50:37", "start_time": "1:50:35", "text": "Your time is gonna be different for you." }, { "end_time": "1:50:38", "start_time": "1:50:37", "text": "So we have to break it down." }, { "end_time": "1:50:41", "start_time": "1:50:38", "text": "So if you really have a mental problem, then do whatever I told you." }, { "end_time": "1:50:43", "start_time": "1:50:41", "text": "But be honest, is it really a mental problem?" }, { "end_time": "1:50:48", "start_time": "1:50:43", "text": "Don't label things because once you label it, it becomes the way you live every single day." }, { "end_time": "1:50:51", "start_time": "1:50:49", "text": "Every single day it becomes the way you live." }, { "end_time": "1:50:56", "start_time": "1:50:51", "text": "So someone's calling you stupid all the time and you accept it, you begin to feel stupid even though you're the most clever person." }, { "end_time": "1:50:58", "start_time": "1:50:56", "text": "So don't use labels if not necessary." }, { "end_time": "1:51:05", "start_time": "1:50:59", "text": "If really it's a mental help or problem, possibly specifying it next time can actually help us throw some more light on it." }, { "end_time": "1:51:05", "start_time": "1:51:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:51:05", "start_time": "1:51:05", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:51:07", "start_time": "1:51:06", "text": "Final question." }, { "end_time": "1:51:08", "start_time": "1:51:07", "text": "This is a team member." }, { "end_time": "1:51:12", "start_time": "1:51:08", "text": "Satyam Pandey asks, what is the meaning of life?" }, { "end_time": "1:51:20", "start_time": "1:51:15", "text": "See, you know, I've never asked myself that question because I don't know what answer I want out of it." }, { "end_time": "1:51:22", "start_time": "1:51:20", "text": "How's it gonna change what I do?" }, { "end_time": "1:51:27", "start_time": "1:51:22", "text": "You know, I think the meaning of my life is going to be defined by what I do every day." }, { "end_time": "1:51:32", "start_time": "1:51:27", "text": "You know, I mean, how how is it gonna impact my life right now?" }, { "end_time": "1:51:33", "start_time": "1:51:32", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:51:36", "start_time": "1:51:33", "text": "I'm born, I'm here, I have a path, I know what my options are." }, { "end_time": "1:51:37", "start_time": "1:51:36", "text": "That's my life." }, { "end_time": "1:51:38", "start_time": "1:51:37", "text": "That's the meaning of my life." }, { "end_time": "1:51:41", "start_time": "1:51:38", "text": "Right now I have a daughter, there's meaning in my life." }, { "end_time": "1:51:44", "start_time": "1:51:41", "text": "I have a job, nurture her, grow her up with the right values, I have patience." }, { "end_time": "1:51:45", "start_time": "1:51:44", "text": "That's the meaning in my life." }, { "end_time": "1:51:47", "start_time": "1:51:45", "text": "I mean meaning is what we want to give it." }, { "end_time": "1:51:51", "start_time": "1:51:47", "text": "I can have everything and still feel life is unfair because I'm ungrateful." }, { "end_time": "1:51:53", "start_time": "1:51:51", "text": "I don't appreciate what I have." }, { "end_time": "1:51:55", "start_time": "1:51:53", "text": "It's what we give meaning to it." }, { "end_time": "1:51:57", "start_time": "1:51:55", "text": "We give meaning to our own lives and it can be different every day." }, { "end_time": "1:52:00", "start_time": "1:51:57", "text": "Today I could have had a great day, life is great." }, { "end_time": "1:52:02", "start_time": "1:52:00", "text": "Tomorrow I go through a down, it's a bad day." }, { "end_time": "1:52:03", "start_time": "1:52:02", "text": "It doesn't mean life is bad." }, { "end_time": "1:52:04", "start_time": "1:52:03", "text": "It's a bad day." }, { "end_time": "1:52:05", "start_time": "1:52:04", "text": "It's not a bad life." }, { "end_time": "1:52:11", "start_time": "1:52:06", "text": "So, you know, it's a question I don't know how it's gonna impact your life by knowing that answer." }, { "end_time": "1:52:16", "start_time": "1:52:12", "text": "I think most of us get our most deepest questions answered by living life." }, { "end_time": "1:52:18", "start_time": "1:52:17", "text": "By living life." }, { "end_time": "1:52:20", "start_time": "1:52:18", "text": "You know, everyone says, what is love?" }, { "end_time": "1:52:21", "start_time": "1:52:21", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:52:22", "start_time": "1:52:21", "text": "I'll tell you today." }, { "end_time": "1:52:22", "start_time": "1:52:22", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:52:24", "start_time": "1:52:22", "text": "I don't know what love is." }, { "end_time": "1:52:30", "start_time": "1:52:24", "text": "Because when I love my mother, it's very different from the way I love my wife, very different from the way I love a friend, very different from the way I love my daughter." }, { "end_time": "1:52:31", "start_time": "1:52:31", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:52:32", "start_time": "1:52:31", "text": "So it's an energy." }, { "end_time": "1:52:35", "start_time": "1:52:33", "text": "It can never ever be the same for everyone else." }, { "end_time": "1:52:36", "start_time": "1:52:35", "text": "Can love change?" }, { "end_time": "1:52:37", "start_time": "1:52:36", "text": "Absolutely, yes." }, { "end_time": "1:52:40", "start_time": "1:52:37", "text": "There's a time when we hate our parents and then we relove them again." }, { "end_time": "1:52:41", "start_time": "1:52:40", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:52:43", "start_time": "1:52:41", "text": "Daughter, unconditional love." }, { "end_time": "1:52:48", "start_time": "1:52:43", "text": "So if you ask me today that Luke, what if you were to be in another relationship or whatever?" }, { "end_time": "1:52:50", "start_time": "1:52:48", "text": "What kind of girl would you want?" }, { "end_time": "1:52:54", "start_time": "1:52:50", "text": "I would want a girl who I can love the same way that I love my daughter, which is unconditional." }, { "end_time": "1:52:56", "start_time": "1:52:55", "text": "Is it possible?" }, { "end_time": "1:52:56", "start_time": "1:52:56", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:52:58", "start_time": "1:52:56", "text": "They're 2 different kinds of love." }, { "end_time": "1:53:03", "start_time": "1:52:58", "text": "So you know, with these deep questions, I would prefer people see, this is what happens when you read spiritual books." }, { "end_time": "1:53:07", "start_time": "1:53:03", "text": "Because they get you into asking these questions and you're like, okay." }, { "end_time": "1:53:08", "start_time": "1:53:07", "text": "And you're searching." }, { "end_time": "1:53:11", "start_time": "1:53:09", "text": "Is it gonna make a difference to your life finding an answer?" }, { "end_time": "1:53:15", "start_time": "1:53:11", "text": "Maybe your life meaning will be found by you living your life." }, { "end_time": "1:53:19", "start_time": "1:53:15", "text": "Some people on their death beds, because I speak to dying patients all the time, all the time." }, { "end_time": "1:53:21", "start_time": "1:53:19", "text": "What's the meaning of my life?" }, { "end_time": "1:53:22", "start_time": "1:53:21", "text": "I have money in the bank." }, { "end_time": "1:53:25", "start_time": "1:53:22", "text": "I have thing, but I'm dying today of cancer and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "1:53:28", "start_time": "1:53:25", "text": "So I say, what are the 5 best things that happened in your life?" }, { "end_time": "1:53:30", "start_time": "1:53:28", "text": "My kid, my family, my things, I think." }, { "end_time": "1:53:31", "start_time": "1:53:30", "text": "That was the meaning of your life." }, { "end_time": "1:53:32", "start_time": "1:53:31", "text": "Period." }, { "end_time": "1:53:33", "start_time": "1:53:32", "text": "We don't have to go deeper than that." }, { "end_time": "1:53:34", "start_time": "1:53:33", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "1:53:35", "start_time": "1:53:34", "text": "What are we gonna get out of it?" }, { "end_time": "1:53:36", "start_time": "1:53:35", "text": "Nothing." }, { "end_time": "1:53:40", "start_time": "1:53:36", "text": "So sometimes even the depth that we get into, why are we always going into the deep end?" }, { "end_time": "1:53:41", "start_time": "1:53:40", "text": "Is it really necessary?" }, { "end_time": "1:53:44", "start_time": "1:53:41", "text": "Is being in the deep end always gonna teach us something?" }, { "end_time": "1:53:45", "start_time": "1:53:44", "text": "Not necessary." }, { "end_time": "1:53:46", "start_time": "1:53:46", "text": "Not necessary." }, { "end_time": "1:53:50", "start_time": "1:53:47", "text": "So this is again what these are the norms that society hits us with." }, { "end_time": "1:53:56", "start_time": "1:53:50", "text": "Someone will start a podcast or something, ask you the deepest questions so you get the, you know, attention of everyone." }, { "end_time": "1:53:58", "start_time": "1:53:56", "text": "My question is what value is it adding?" }, { "end_time": "1:54:04", "start_time": "1:53:58", "text": "If I tell you the meaning of your life, okay, is it gonna change your life in one way or another?" }, { "end_time": "1:54:05", "start_time": "1:54:04", "text": "Absolutely not." }, { "end_time": "1:54:10", "start_time": "1:54:05", "text": "But I can tell you what you're doing in your life right now is not going to lead you to your goal or you can change just to feel better and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "1:54:11", "start_time": "1:54:10", "text": "But meaning?" }, { "end_time": "1:54:11", "start_time": "1:54:11", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:54:13", "start_time": "1:54:11", "text": "These are the mysteries of life." }, { "end_time": "1:54:18", "start_time": "1:54:13", "text": "People who are clued into themselves realize that this is the meaning of my life, to be happy." }, { "end_time": "1:54:20", "start_time": "1:54:18", "text": "This is the meaning of my life, to forgive." }, { "end_time": "1:54:22", "start_time": "1:54:20", "text": "I found meaning when I forgave." }, { "end_time": "1:54:24", "start_time": "1:54:22", "text": "I found meaning when I got forgiven." }, { "end_time": "1:54:26", "start_time": "1:54:24", "text": "That was meaning in my life." }, { "end_time": "1:54:28", "start_time": "1:54:26", "text": "So to, you know, be careful of depth." }, { "end_time": "1:54:29", "start_time": "1:54:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:54:30", "start_time": "1:54:29", "text": "Be careful of depth." }, { "end_time": "1:54:32", "start_time": "1:54:30", "text": "You know, that would be my answer to him." }, { "end_time": "1:54:34", "start_time": "1:54:32", "text": "I'd like to end this podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:54:35", "start_time": "1:54:34", "text": "1, by thanking you." }, { "end_time": "1:54:36", "start_time": "1:54:35", "text": "Oh, pleasure." }, { "end_time": "1:54:39", "start_time": "1:54:36", "text": "I'm just gonna say a simple thank you to you because Pleasure." }, { "end_time": "1:54:44", "start_time": "1:54:39", "text": "Man, that's like all my emotions and, like, all my gratitude wrapped into that one word." }, { "end_time": "1:54:49", "start_time": "1:54:44", "text": "And the amount of gratitude I feel towards you as a guy just for how much you've helped me through the years." }, { "end_time": "1:54:55", "start_time": "1:54:49", "text": "Without me ever coming to you as a client or just talking to you as a brother, I cannot put it in words, man." }, { "end_time": "1:54:58", "start_time": "1:54:55", "text": "And, like, just I I hope the best for you always." }, { "end_time": "1:55:01", "start_time": "1:54:58", "text": "Like, just I wish the best for you as well, everyone out there." }, { "end_time": "1:55:03", "start_time": "1:55:01", "text": "I mean, I think we should just go on." }, { "end_time": "1:55:06", "start_time": "1:55:03", "text": "Sometimes we feel angry with people, you know, all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "1:55:08", "start_time": "1:55:06", "text": "But at the end of the day, just wish well for everyone." }, { "end_time": "1:55:09", "start_time": "1:55:08", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:55:09", "start_time": "1:55:09", "text": "You know, I mean, whatever." }, { "end_time": "1:55:12", "start_time": "1:55:09", "text": "I always tell people, you know, who find it difficult to forgive." }, { "end_time": "1:55:18", "start_time": "1:55:12", "text": "I said, what you would wish for the person you love, just start wishing that even for your worst enemy." }, { "end_time": "1:55:20", "start_time": "1:55:18", "text": "Yes, it's difficult because you gotta break through ego, pride, hurt." }, { "end_time": "1:55:22", "start_time": "1:55:20", "text": "But I'm saying that is your transformation." }, { "end_time": "1:55:26", "start_time": "1:55:23", "text": "It'll happen 1 month, 2 months, 3 months, there's no other way." }, { "end_time": "1:55:27", "start_time": "1:55:26", "text": "It's just wish well for everyone." }, { "end_time": "1:55:33", "start_time": "1:55:27", "text": "Everyone's struggling, everyone has their own journey, everyone, you know so at the end of the day, we should wish well for everyone." }, { "end_time": "1:55:35", "start_time": "1:55:33", "text": "I think that's that's the essence of spirituality." }, { "end_time": "1:55:36", "start_time": "1:55:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:55:36", "start_time": "1:55:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:55:41", "start_time": "1:55:36", "text": "And, man, just looking forward to having you again on the show." }, { "end_time": "1:55:45", "start_time": "1:55:41", "text": "We'll we'll immediately move into a second recording which is centered around sex and love." }, { "end_time": "1:55:50", "start_time": "1:55:46", "text": "So I'm gonna end this podcast and I'm gonna request my team to start the next podcast immediately." }, { "end_time": "1:55:53", "start_time": "1:55:50", "text": "Audience, please look out for the next one." }, { "end_time": "1:55:54", "start_time": "1:55:53", "text": "This is gonna be good." } ] }

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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:03", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "Luke Coutinho is one of the world's premier health experts." }, { "end_time": "0:05", "start_time": "0:03", "text": "He's renowned for his knowledge." }, { "end_time": "0:10", "start_time": "0:05", "text": "He's renowned for all the research he's done and he's also got a degree in alternative medicine." }, { "end_time": "0:24", "start_time": "0:10", "text": "Now, he's someone who grew up in Goa during the hippie phase and that exposed him to a lot of people who experimented with psychoactive substances like LSD, like DMT, Ayahuasca, weed, alcohol obviously, and a bunch of other substances." }, { "end_time": "0:26", "start_time": "0:24", "text": "That's what we've spoken about in today's podcast." }, { "end_time": "0:29", "start_time": "0:27", "text": "And if you think that, wait, how does all this apply to me?" }, { "end_time": "0:35", "start_time": "0:29", "text": "I highly recommend you watch this podcast till the end because by the end of it, you're going to expand your own mental horizons." }, { "end_time": "0:44", "start_time": "0:36", "text": "You're gonna see how the world of medicine and the world of healing is evolving continuously, and what the modern takes on the psychoactive substances are." }, { "end_time": "0:49", "start_time": "0:44", "text": "In this podcast, Luke and myself have also spoken about our own experiences with some of these substances." }, { "end_time": "0:58", "start_time": "0:50", "text": "So, if you want to hear an honest scientific biology back conversation about the so called drugs, please watch this episode till the end." }, { "end_time": "1:09", "start_time": "0:58", "text": "A lot of people group things like LSD or Ayahuasca or peyote or psilocybin mushrooms in the same category as cocaine or meth or heroin or dangerous drugs like that." }, { "end_time": "1:20", "start_time": "1:09", "text": "But I promise you that by the end of this podcast, you're going to have your mental horizons expanded just a little bit further to understand the use of naturally found substances and the benefits for the human mind and body." }, { "end_time": "1:26", "start_time": "1:20", "text": "We do not recommend drugs to anyone that is not our intention with creating this particular podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:31", "start_time": "1:26", "text": "We're just trying to discuss scientific facts, and we're trying to put knowledge out on the Internet." }, { "end_time": "1:36", "start_time": "1:31", "text": "So I hope you enjoy this extremely intelligent conversation on the Ranveesh." }, { "end_time": "1:48", "start_time": "1:44", "text": "Weed, Ayahuasca, LSD, peyote, shrooms." }, { "end_time": "1:56", "start_time": "1:48", "text": "Some of the topics that we're gonna tackle in today's episode, but from a very biological perspective because we've got one of the world's premier health experts." }, { "end_time": "1:58", "start_time": "1:56", "text": "He's someone who studied alternative medicine." }, { "end_time": "2:04", "start_time": "1:58", "text": "He's gonna bring like the scientific aspect on the so called psychedelic, so called recreational substances." }, { "end_time": "2:08", "start_time": "2:04", "text": "Luc Cateno, thank you once again for being on the runway show, brother." }, { "end_time": "2:08", "start_time": "2:08", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "2:09", "start_time": "2:08", "text": "It's good to be back." }, { "end_time": "2:09", "start_time": "2:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:11", "start_time": "2:09", "text": "This is gonna be an interesting conversation." }, { "end_time": "2:17", "start_time": "2:12", "text": "I wanna just begin by telling you how I came across these substances in my life." }, { "end_time": "2:20", "start_time": "2:17", "text": "Again, I've not I've not experimented with them." }, { "end_time": "2:28", "start_time": "2:20", "text": "I have experimented with marijuana, but I read this book called the teachings of dawn 1 by Carlos Castaneda." }, { "end_time": "2:28", "start_time": "2:28", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "2:45", "start_time": "2:28", "text": "Where he talks about the red Indian culture, the Indian culture from America, where they kind of really value these 9 sacred plants, which are basically psychedelic plants, which also give you extremely spiritual experiences, which kind of change the mental makeup in your head." }, { "end_time": "2:49", "start_time": "2:45", "text": "So some of these plants were peyote, Ayahuasca, another one was datura." }, { "end_time": "2:52", "start_time": "2:49", "text": "There was a bunch of other ones which I don't remember right now." }, { "end_time": "2:55", "start_time": "2:53", "text": "And that just got me really fascinated." }, { "end_time": "2:59", "start_time": "2:55", "text": "I have had an experience with Ayahuasca, but we'll get to that later." }, { "end_time": "3:02", "start_time": "2:59", "text": "I wanna first get your introduction on this subject." }, { "end_time": "3:06", "start_time": "3:03", "text": "How did you come across, you know, information about these substances?" }, { "end_time": "3:09", "start_time": "3:06", "text": "What kind of value can it add to an everyday person's life?" }, { "end_time": "3:10", "start_time": "3:09", "text": "What should people know about it?" }, { "end_time": "3:12", "start_time": "3:10", "text": "What should people not know about it?" }, { "end_time": "3:12", "start_time": "3:12", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "3:16", "start_time": "3:12", "text": "So first, we have to always respect the law, and every law in every country is different." }, { "end_time": "3:21", "start_time": "3:16", "text": "You know, some psychedelics are on, on their class a psychedelics or drugs, and we gotta respect that law." }, { "end_time": "3:28", "start_time": "3:21", "text": "But my interest, was basic I was intrigued when I got to know that pharmaceutical companies study them." }, { "end_time": "3:31", "start_time": "3:28", "text": "Research labs across Mexico, LA, they're studying LSD." }, { "end_time": "3:33", "start_time": "3:31", "text": "They're studying you know, peoria." }, { "end_time": "3:34", "start_time": "3:33", "text": "They're studying." }, { "end_time": "3:39", "start_time": "3:34", "text": "They're bringing down shamans into research labs to find out why they do Ayahuasca rituals." }, { "end_time": "3:40", "start_time": "3:39", "text": "What is a shaman?" }, { "end_time": "3:40", "start_time": "3:40", "text": "And all of these." }, { "end_time": "3:43", "start_time": "3:40", "text": "Shaman is like you could say, he's a native priest." }, { "end_time": "3:43", "start_time": "3:43", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "3:44", "start_time": "3:43", "text": "He's their priest." }, { "end_time": "3:51", "start_time": "3:44", "text": "They basically they use the forces of nature to understand religion and heal diseases and all of these things." }, { "end_time": "3:54", "start_time": "3:51", "text": "And I think everyone has to have an open mind about this." }, { "end_time": "3:57", "start_time": "3:54", "text": "Now with a closed mind, we're gonna be very judgmental right from the start." }, { "end_time": "4:01", "start_time": "3:57", "text": "That psychedelics means drugs, drugs means whatever and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "4:04", "start_time": "4:01", "text": "And then, all I'm trying to say is keep an open heart and the mind." }, { "end_time": "4:09", "start_time": "4:04", "text": "And like, you know, when you point fingers always remember, you know, ask yourself are your hands clean?" }, { "end_time": "4:09", "start_time": "4:09", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "4:11", "start_time": "4:09", "text": "It's as simple as that, you know." }, { "end_time": "4:13", "start_time": "4:11", "text": "So what happens is people term a drug as a drug." }, { "end_time": "4:21", "start_time": "4:13", "text": "But they're okay taking diabetic medication, and a whole laundry list of medication, which are chemicals, which have side effects and all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "4:27", "start_time": "4:21", "text": "So I think we're definitely not here to promote and tell people that get into psychedelics where you have to understand it." }, { "end_time": "4:27", "start_time": "4:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:32", "start_time": "4:27", "text": "So when I got to know that people are looking at research on schizophrenia, dementia, Alzheimer's." }, { "end_time": "4:36", "start_time": "4:32", "text": "Because certain psychedelics have the ability to open blocks in our mind." }, { "end_time": "4:37", "start_time": "4:36", "text": "Can you explain that for me?" }, { "end_time": "4:38", "start_time": "4:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:41", "start_time": "4:38", "text": "So for example, if you go back to the movie Forrest Gump." }, { "end_time": "4:42", "start_time": "4:41", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "4:47", "start_time": "4:42", "text": "And, there's that one scene where she has a sugar cube of LSD and she says expand your horizon." }, { "end_time": "4:49", "start_time": "4:48", "text": "Expand your horizon." }, { "end_time": "4:54", "start_time": "4:49", "text": "So psychedelics are believed to enable someone to really expand their perception towards life." }, { "end_time": "4:59", "start_time": "4:54", "text": "Today, all our perceptions towards everything is controlled by what we have learned." }, { "end_time": "5:02", "start_time": "4:59", "text": "The company that we do, what the media is feeding us and all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "5:05", "start_time": "5:02", "text": "So the media makes us believe that religion is bad." }, { "end_time": "5:07", "start_time": "5:05", "text": "Like I think the best example is religion." }, { "end_time": "5:09", "start_time": "5:08", "text": "Like religion is not the problem." }, { "end_time": "5:11", "start_time": "5:09", "text": "It's the people who are the problem." }, { "end_time": "5:11", "start_time": "5:11", "text": "Not religion." }, { "end_time": "5:12", "start_time": "5:11", "text": "Religion is religion." }, { "end_time": "5:16", "start_time": "5:12", "text": "It's talking about compassion, forgiveness, being good, kind, all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "5:18", "start_time": "5:16", "text": "The problem is with the people." }, { "end_time": "5:18", "start_time": "5:18", "text": "Perception again." }, { "end_time": "5:22", "start_time": "5:19", "text": "So when people do psychedelics, it expands their horizons." }, { "end_time": "5:24", "start_time": "5:22", "text": "They start looking at life very, very differently." }, { "end_time": "5:26", "start_time": "5:25", "text": "And of course, there are the wrong ways." }, { "end_time": "5:28", "start_time": "5:26", "text": "Like I say, everything is intention." }, { "end_time": "5:29", "start_time": "5:28", "text": "Some people get into it." }, { "end_time": "5:31", "start_time": "5:29", "text": "Like datura is used by Indian priests." }, { "end_time": "5:37", "start_time": "5:31", "text": "Priests who wear orange and stuff like that back in North India because it's believed to put them into a trance, a meditative trance." }, { "end_time": "5:44", "start_time": "5:37", "text": "And in that meditative trance, they are able to actually meditate and to come up with, you know, whatever it is that they are looking for." }, { "end_time": "5:44", "start_time": "5:44", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "5:45", "start_time": "5:44", "text": "In a complete state of trance." }, { "end_time": "5:52", "start_time": "5:46", "text": "Even back in Israel, in Bethlehem, in in our own religion, being a Catholic and stuff like that, there was myrrh." }, { "end_time": "5:52", "start_time": "5:52", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "5:55", "start_time": "5:52", "text": "They were they were given as gifts to priests and everything else." }, { "end_time": "5:56", "start_time": "5:55", "text": "What is it?" }, { "end_time": "6:01", "start_time": "5:56", "text": "So myrrh is basically a plant again, which doesn't have a psychedelic thing, but it's it's not really allowed." }, { "end_time": "6:06", "start_time": "6:01", "text": "Like you're not allowed to carry it into the Middle East because it has psychoactive substances in it." }, { "end_time": "6:09", "start_time": "6:06", "text": "You know, so it's always existed, but people have never abused it." }, { "end_time": "6:11", "start_time": "6:09", "text": "Now today people take it and they use it as recreational." }, { "end_time": "6:17", "start_time": "6:11", "text": "Like I have patients all over the world, cancer patients in countries where it's now decriminalized or legalized." }, { "end_time": "6:21", "start_time": "6:17", "text": "So my cancer patients taking medical marijuana and all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "6:26", "start_time": "6:21", "text": "But then you look at the behavior, the patient is taking it and all of a sudden the family starts using it for recreation." }, { "end_time": "6:30", "start_time": "6:27", "text": "So that's where, you know, all the confusion starts coming in." }, { "end_time": "6:31", "start_time": "6:30", "text": "Recreational drug." }, { "end_time": "6:32", "start_time": "6:31", "text": "What is a recreational drug?" }, { "end_time": "6:35", "start_time": "6:32", "text": "Right now we're having a recreational conversation for example." }, { "end_time": "6:35", "start_time": "6:35", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "6:37", "start_time": "6:35", "text": "Do I need a recreational drug to change that?" }, { "end_time": "6:43", "start_time": "6:37", "text": "By just using the term recreational makes people believe that if I have this drug, I'll have a great time." }, { "end_time": "6:44", "start_time": "6:43", "text": "But it's not that." }, { "end_time": "6:48", "start_time": "6:44", "text": "So many people don't do recreational drugs and they have a better time than someone who is on drugs." }, { "end_time": "6:51", "start_time": "6:48", "text": "So you see we're playing around with words and we're playing around with perception." }, { "end_time": "6:56", "start_time": "6:51", "text": "But coming down to psychedelics, because of its ability to basically change our mind." }, { "end_time": "6:58", "start_time": "6:56", "text": "When I say change, our mind changes your perception." }, { "end_time": "7:00", "start_time": "6:58", "text": "So like I grew up in Goa." }, { "end_time": "7:04", "start_time": "7:00", "text": "I witnessed a lot of the hippie culture and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "7:09", "start_time": "7:04", "text": "And if you ask me today, there's a huge comparison between the people who drink and the people who do drugs." }, { "end_time": "7:12", "start_time": "7:09", "text": "I'm not saying either of them are good, bad, and you should do it." }, { "end_time": "7:13", "start_time": "7:12", "text": "We're clearly not saying that." }, { "end_time": "7:19", "start_time": "7:13", "text": "But people who experiment with LSD and the psychedelics and stuff, you know, when you talk to them, they're different people." }, { "end_time": "7:20", "start_time": "7:19", "text": "They take life easy." }, { "end_time": "7:22", "start_time": "7:20", "text": "They don't take stress." }, { "end_time": "7:25", "start_time": "7:22", "text": "You know, they go back to their work countries and they work." }, { "end_time": "7:25", "start_time": "7:25", "text": "They come back." }, { "end_time": "7:26", "start_time": "7:25", "text": "They enjoy themselves." }, { "end_time": "7:28", "start_time": "7:26", "text": "They look after their families." }, { "end_time": "7:29", "start_time": "7:28", "text": "They have children." }, { "end_time": "7:31", "start_time": "7:29", "text": "They think of a dimension which is very different." }, { "end_time": "7:35", "start_time": "7:31", "text": "And you look at someone who's binge drinking alcohol, they lose their jobs." }, { "end_time": "7:40", "start_time": "7:35", "text": "They get into fights, they get into violence, they get into all of these things and stuff like that because they're different." }, { "end_time": "7:46", "start_time": "7:40", "text": "This is a psychedelic, psychedelic substance working for you, and here you have alcohol which is something totally different working for you." }, { "end_time": "7:51", "start_time": "7:46", "text": "I just feel that alcohol is one of those psychedelic substances that's legalized, You know, that's that's made legal." }, { "end_time": "7:51", "start_time": "7:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:53", "start_time": "7:51", "text": "I think it doesn't make people feel psychedelic." }, { "end_time": "7:55", "start_time": "7:53", "text": "It makes people more stupid." }, { "end_time": "7:55", "start_time": "7:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:55", "start_time": "7:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:56", "start_time": "7:55", "text": "I'm being honest with you." }, { "end_time": "7:57", "start_time": "7:56", "text": "Like, what does it do?" }, { "end_time": "7:58", "start_time": "7:57", "text": "It lets down your guard." }, { "end_time": "7:58", "start_time": "7:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:02", "start_time": "7:58", "text": "So, like, every possible guy with the wrong intention of getting a woman drunk." }, { "end_time": "8:03", "start_time": "8:03", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "8:03", "start_time": "8:03", "text": "Why do they do that?" }, { "end_time": "8:06", "start_time": "8:03", "text": "Because they know the woman will not be able to think straight." }, { "end_time": "8:08", "start_time": "8:06", "text": "So you'll be able to take advantage of them." }, { "end_time": "8:08", "start_time": "8:08", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "8:10", "start_time": "8:08", "text": "And you know, it's likewise with guys." }, { "end_time": "8:11", "start_time": "8:10", "text": "Guys, a lot of guys." }, { "end_time": "8:15", "start_time": "8:11", "text": "There was this beautiful Harvard study of why clubs are dark." }, { "end_time": "8:15", "start_time": "8:15", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "8:19", "start_time": "8:15", "text": "Because number 1, a man can't go and have a conversation to a woman." }, { "end_time": "8:20", "start_time": "8:19", "text": "Their confidence levels are low." }, { "end_time": "8:21", "start_time": "8:20", "text": "So it's dark." }, { "end_time": "8:25", "start_time": "8:21", "text": "You have alcohol in your hand and immediately your confidence levels go up." }, { "end_time": "8:25", "start_time": "8:25", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "8:30", "start_time": "8:25", "text": "Because of the darkness and because of that glass of alcohol in your hand." }, { "end_time": "8:33", "start_time": "8:30", "text": "But with psychedelics, you know, we've experienced a lot of rave parties." }, { "end_time": "8:34", "start_time": "8:33", "text": "Seeing that people are free." }, { "end_time": "8:35", "start_time": "8:34", "text": "People are open." }, { "end_time": "8:37", "start_time": "8:36", "text": "People don't rape one another." }, { "end_time": "8:40", "start_time": "8:37", "text": "People don't go and touch and feel up women and men." }, { "end_time": "8:43", "start_time": "8:41", "text": "Everyone's in their own dimension, their own mind." }, { "end_time": "8:44", "start_time": "8:43", "text": "There's no judgement." }, { "end_time": "8:45", "start_time": "8:44", "text": "There's no judgement." }, { "end_time": "8:46", "start_time": "8:45", "text": "This is my observation." }, { "end_time": "8:47", "start_time": "8:46", "text": "This is my observation." }, { "end_time": "8:48", "start_time": "8:47", "text": "I used to play at rape parties." }, { "end_time": "8:49", "start_time": "8:48", "text": "So I got to see people." }, { "end_time": "8:50", "start_time": "8:49", "text": "How they behave." }, { "end_time": "8:58", "start_time": "8:50", "text": "And you come into a club scene and it's like fake and it's chaotic and people are fueled on alcohol and behaving in a way that they're not." }, { "end_time": "9:00", "start_time": "8:58", "text": "There's a lot of insecurity also." }, { "end_time": "9:01", "start_time": "9:00", "text": "Loads of insecurity." }, { "end_time": "9:01", "start_time": "9:01", "text": "Loads." }, { "end_time": "9:05", "start_time": "9:01", "text": "But when you look at people doing psychedelics, you know, they do it at the right time." }, { "end_time": "9:07", "start_time": "9:05", "text": "When there's sunset, they've aligned it with nature." }, { "end_time": "9:09", "start_time": "9:08", "text": "They've aligned it with a full moon." }, { "end_time": "9:11", "start_time": "9:09", "text": "They've aligned it with an ocean at the back." }, { "end_time": "9:12", "start_time": "9:11", "text": "You know, all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "9:15", "start_time": "9:13", "text": "So, you know, the research coming out, there are so many things." }, { "end_time": "9:17", "start_time": "9:15", "text": "Even the snake bite poison." }, { "end_time": "9:19", "start_time": "9:17", "text": "People believe there's a spiritual impact on that." }, { "end_time": "9:26", "start_time": "9:19", "text": "Like some people can take the poison of the snake and not die because their belief is that the snake poison will not kill them." }, { "end_time": "9:29", "start_time": "9:26", "text": "But that same snake poison will kill the person who has doubt." }, { "end_time": "9:31", "start_time": "9:29", "text": "The same thing with frogs." }, { "end_time": "9:35", "start_time": "9:31", "text": "There are frogs in the Amazon that emit a certain poison, which is considered as a psychedelic." }, { "end_time": "9:37", "start_time": "9:35", "text": "So these are good things to talk about." }, { "end_time": "9:42", "start_time": "9:37", "text": "And I think as the world starts researching more and more into this, the biggest problem is how can you control it?" }, { "end_time": "9:44", "start_time": "9:42", "text": "Because it can become recreational, like you said." }, { "end_time": "9:45", "start_time": "9:44", "text": "It can be misused." }, { "end_time": "9:48", "start_time": "9:45", "text": "It can be, you know, used to do bad things and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "9:52", "start_time": "9:48", "text": "So So the way I perceive this whole game is that I feel there's 3 kinds of people." }, { "end_time": "9:56", "start_time": "9:52", "text": "The first are the ones who are very kind of consumed by society, by the media." }, { "end_time": "10:00", "start_time": "9:56", "text": "They see and when they're hearing this conversation, they're already like, what are these guys talking about?" }, { "end_time": "10:01", "start_time": "10:00", "text": "Like, oh my god." }, { "end_time": "10:01", "start_time": "10:01", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "10:02", "start_time": "10:01", "text": "And, that's fine." }, { "end_time": "10:04", "start_time": "10:02", "text": "Like, I understand that's your reality." }, { "end_time": "10:08", "start_time": "10:04", "text": "But I do believe that just open up your mind to what the world is moving towards." }, { "end_time": "10:08", "start_time": "10:08", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:12", "start_time": "10:08", "text": "That brings me to my second kind of person, which is the person who's curious." }, { "end_time": "10:16", "start_time": "10:12", "text": "I would kind of put you and me in that category about, I want to know more about this." }, { "end_time": "10:18", "start_time": "10:16", "text": "This is what the world is moving towards." }, { "end_time": "10:18", "start_time": "10:18", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "10:18", "start_time": "10:18", "text": "Fine." }, { "end_time": "10:22", "start_time": "10:18", "text": "This might have a dark side, but it definitely has a lot of bright sides as well." }, { "end_time": "10:25", "start_time": "10:22", "text": "And it can benefit a lot of minds." }, { "end_time": "10:35", "start_time": "10:25", "text": "And the 3rd category is someone who's very fascinated by psychedelics and then, you know, who might overdo it, who might get consumed by the whole process, probably do drugs that aren't even psychedelic." }, { "end_time": "10:39", "start_time": "10:35", "text": "You might get into like worst kind of drugs that actually harm your body." }, { "end_time": "10:45", "start_time": "10:40", "text": "So, I personally really urge everyone listening to this to place themselves just for this conversation." }, { "end_time": "10:50", "start_time": "10:45", "text": "In that second category of openness, knowledge, learning, just absorb this whole conversation." }, { "end_time": "10:51", "start_time": "10:50", "text": "And right intention." }, { "end_time": "10:51", "start_time": "10:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:54", "start_time": "10:51", "text": "I think the 3rd category we must talk about that." }, { "end_time": "10:58", "start_time": "10:54", "text": "Because you see, I mean, I've seen people doing psychedelics and alcohol at the same time." }, { "end_time": "10:59", "start_time": "10:58", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "11:01", "start_time": "10:59", "text": "They scientifically don't go together." }, { "end_time": "11:04", "start_time": "11:01", "text": "You can't be drinking and you can't be on a psychedelic at the same time." }, { "end_time": "11:06", "start_time": "11:04", "text": "And you see these people get violent." }, { "end_time": "11:08", "start_time": "11:06", "text": "They get they flip out and all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "11:11", "start_time": "11:08", "text": "Like I always say, if you're doing something, do it the right way." }, { "end_time": "11:13", "start_time": "11:11", "text": "If you're on a spiritual path, do it the right way." }, { "end_time": "11:17", "start_time": "11:13", "text": "Don't make it into a fad and just because everyone's chanting you start chanting mindlessly." }, { "end_time": "11:18", "start_time": "11:17", "text": "Find your own spiritual path." }, { "end_time": "11:21", "start_time": "11:18", "text": "Most people find their spiritual paths off the path." }, { "end_time": "11:22", "start_time": "11:21", "text": "You know what I mean?" }, { "end_time": "11:24", "start_time": "11:23", "text": "They're not on the path." }, { "end_time": "11:24", "start_time": "11:24", "text": "But they find it." }, { "end_time": "11:29", "start_time": "11:24", "text": "They've embraced something like say, giving back or helping or kindness." }, { "end_time": "11:30", "start_time": "11:29", "text": "And they only work on that." }, { "end_time": "11:33", "start_time": "11:30", "text": "They are far more spiritual than the people in churches, temples and mosques." }, { "end_time": "11:34", "start_time": "11:33", "text": "It is like that." }, { "end_time": "11:35", "start_time": "11:34", "text": "So we don't go chasing these things." }, { "end_time": "11:39", "start_time": "11:35", "text": "I always believe and they always say that the plant will find you." }, { "end_time": "11:40", "start_time": "11:39", "text": "This is in most books." }, { "end_time": "11:41", "start_time": "11:40", "text": "The plant will find you." }, { "end_time": "11:42", "start_time": "11:41", "text": "You don't have to go searching for it." }, { "end_time": "11:44", "start_time": "11:42", "text": "I feel that it happened with Ayahuasca and me." }, { "end_time": "11:47", "start_time": "11:45", "text": "So it was like the start of beer biceps." }, { "end_time": "11:49", "start_time": "11:47", "text": "Tell me about your Ayahuasca experience." }, { "end_time": "11:54", "start_time": "11:49", "text": "So it was the beginning of beer biceps and I was very nervous about where my career was going." }, { "end_time": "11:58", "start_time": "11:54", "text": "Now for the previous whole year, which was my final year in engineering, I'd read about these plants." }, { "end_time": "12:03", "start_time": "11:58", "text": "I'd read the book and I'd read about Ayahuasca being the substance that actually changes the structure of your brain." }, { "end_time": "12:06", "start_time": "12:03", "text": "It realigns certain neural patterns in your brain." }, { "end_time": "12:13", "start_time": "12:06", "text": "And I had also read that when you do Ayahuasca, you go through a negative phase as well." }, { "end_time": "12:14", "start_time": "12:13", "text": "That's a part of your trip." }, { "end_time": "12:16", "start_time": "12:14", "text": "And I also read that it's not recreational." }, { "end_time": "12:19", "start_time": "12:16", "text": "You need to do it when you are at a cross roads in your life if you want answers." }, { "end_time": "12:21", "start_time": "12:19", "text": "So I was just fascinated about that substance." }, { "end_time": "12:22", "start_time": "12:21", "text": "I began beer biceps." }, { "end_time": "12:23", "start_time": "12:22", "text": "I put out 4 or 5 videos." }, { "end_time": "12:26", "start_time": "12:23", "text": "They did well, but I was still nervous about, okay, what am I doing in life?" }, { "end_time": "12:28", "start_time": "12:26", "text": "Because there was no YouTube culture back in the country then." }, { "end_time": "12:40", "start_time": "12:29", "text": "So I put out 4 or 5 videos and my dad one day just comes up to me and he's like, listen, the family is going to Seychelles for this medical conference, but you can just tag along, come for your vacation and just take a break from your YouTube game." }, { "end_time": "12:40", "start_time": "12:40", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "12:41", "start_time": "12:40", "text": "I was like, cool." }, { "end_time": "12:43", "start_time": "12:41", "text": "Went to Seychelles with no intention." }, { "end_time": "12:54", "start_time": "12:44", "text": "And the resort that we were in happened to have this one really interesting guy who was talking about economics and sport and you know, just like all these deep topics." }, { "end_time": "12:57", "start_time": "12:54", "text": "And he casually mentioned the idea of shamans." }, { "end_time": "12:58", "start_time": "12:57", "text": "And I read that, hold on." }, { "end_time": "13:02", "start_time": "12:58", "text": "So shamans are these priests who conduct Ayahuasca ceremonies for people." }, { "end_time": "13:07", "start_time": "13:02", "text": "And they say that you shouldn't do Ayahuasca unless you have a certified shaman with you because it can be a very intense experience." }, { "end_time": "13:11", "start_time": "13:08", "text": "So he said something about shamans, and I I stopped him right then." }, { "end_time": "13:11", "start_time": "13:11", "text": "I was like, wait." }, { "end_time": "13:13", "start_time": "13:11", "text": "Do you mean, like, the Ayahuasca shamans?" }, { "end_time": "13:15", "start_time": "13:14", "text": "And he's like, where have you heard that word?" }, { "end_time": "13:19", "start_time": "13:15", "text": "So then I told him my perception of Ayahuasca where, you know, you have a negative trip." }, { "end_time": "13:22", "start_time": "13:19", "text": "You have a bit of a scary experience and then it becomes positive." }, { "end_time": "13:25", "start_time": "13:23", "text": "He told me that don't believe everything you read on the Internet." }, { "end_time": "13:26", "start_time": "13:25", "text": "It's not that." }, { "end_time": "13:30", "start_time": "13:26", "text": "And what if I tell you that I have Ayahuasca in my room, will you come and do it?" }, { "end_time": "13:30", "start_time": "13:30", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "13:33", "start_time": "13:30", "text": "So first, I couldn't, like, believe what I was hearing." }, { "end_time": "13:36", "start_time": "13:33", "text": "And then, I I gave it some thought." }, { "end_time": "13:37", "start_time": "13:36", "text": "And I was like, no." }, { "end_time": "13:37", "start_time": "13:37", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "13:40", "start_time": "13:37", "text": "I I won't do this because, you know, I don't want to get into drugs." }, { "end_time": "13:41", "start_time": "13:40", "text": "That was my thinking back." }, { "end_time": "13:43", "start_time": "13:41", "text": "So then he broke it down for me." }, { "end_time": "13:47", "start_time": "13:43", "text": "He told me how it's like a 50,000 year old practice and people in the Amazon have been doing it for that long." }, { "end_time": "13:50", "start_time": "13:47", "text": "And people do it when they are at crossroads in life." }, { "end_time": "13:51", "start_time": "13:50", "text": "So I meditated over it." }, { "end_time": "13:55", "start_time": "13:51", "text": "I had begun meditation by then and my meditation just cleared out my head." }, { "end_time": "13:57", "start_time": "13:55", "text": "I was like, wait, I'm at a crossroads." }, { "end_time": "13:59", "start_time": "13:57", "text": "And I read this quote about how the plant finds you." }, { "end_time": "14:00", "start_time": "13:59", "text": "You don't find the plant." }, { "end_time": "14:06", "start_time": "14:00", "text": "So I was like, if it's come like into my life in this way, it might mean something." }, { "end_time": "14:07", "start_time": "14:06", "text": "I'm young." }, { "end_time": "14:08", "start_time": "14:07", "text": "I need answers." }, { "end_time": "14:08", "start_time": "14:08", "text": "Let me take a plunge." }, { "end_time": "14:11", "start_time": "14:08", "text": "And I got up in the morning with the intention of doing it." }, { "end_time": "14:12", "start_time": "14:11", "text": "I was like, okay." }, { "end_time": "14:14", "start_time": "14:12", "text": "Let me just try what's the worst that can happen." }, { "end_time": "14:15", "start_time": "14:14", "text": "You're not gonna die." }, { "end_time": "14:20", "start_time": "14:15", "text": "And he also had mentioned to me that Ayahuasca will never put you through an experience that you can't handle." }, { "end_time": "14:24", "start_time": "14:20", "text": "So that night I did an Ayahuasca session." }, { "end_time": "14:27", "start_time": "14:24", "text": "I did a ceremony with him in his hotel room." }, { "end_time": "14:32", "start_time": "14:27", "text": "One of the most life changing experiences of my life because I came out a different person." }, { "end_time": "14:42", "start_time": "14:32", "text": "I went into that ceremony asking one question which was what was the weapon that I needed for my life in order to just make my career very solid and, like, in order to take my career further." }, { "end_time": "14:44", "start_time": "14:42", "text": "Everything in my life was about my career at that point." }, { "end_time": "14:46", "start_time": "14:45", "text": "So, we took the drink." }, { "end_time": "14:49", "start_time": "14:46", "text": "It's like this very bitter brew that you take." }, { "end_time": "14:53", "start_time": "14:49", "text": "So I drank it, waited for, like, say 20 minutes or so." }, { "end_time": "14:56", "start_time": "14:53", "text": "And then everything around me started getting like a little wobbly." }, { "end_time": "14:58", "start_time": "14:56", "text": "It started getting a little bit like jelly." }, { "end_time": "14:59", "start_time": "14:58", "text": "And that's why I realized it's kicking." }, { "end_time": "15:01", "start_time": "14:59", "text": "And I told him that he's like, okay, close your eyes now." }, { "end_time": "15:08", "start_time": "15:01", "text": "So I closed my eyes and if I actually begin to elaborate about my whole Ayahuasca journey, that's another conversation." }, { "end_time": "15:14", "start_time": "15:08", "text": "But what I basically felt is, you know, when I'm talking to you and you're talking to me right now, I can feel another human here, another brother." }, { "end_time": "15:16", "start_time": "15:15", "text": "If you're with a woman, you can feel okay." }, { "end_time": "15:17", "start_time": "15:16", "text": "There's a girl here." }, { "end_time": "15:20", "start_time": "15:17", "text": "So in Ayahuasca, they say that you feel a feminine presence." }, { "end_time": "15:24", "start_time": "15:21", "text": "And I did feel that, I felt like what they call mother Ayahuasca." }, { "end_time": "15:26", "start_time": "15:25", "text": "Who guided me through the trip." }, { "end_time": "15:29", "start_time": "15:26", "text": "And it was definitely in my mind it's psychedelic." }, { "end_time": "15:33", "start_time": "15:30", "text": "But I feel like she guided me throughout the entire experience." }, { "end_time": "15:39", "start_time": "15:34", "text": "And at the same time I have like a certain version of God in my head." }, { "end_time": "15:42", "start_time": "15:39", "text": "I perceive him as this old man who, you know, guides me." }, { "end_time": "15:44", "start_time": "15:42", "text": "Like that's just my childhood perception of it." }, { "end_time": "15:45", "start_time": "15:44", "text": "And I felt that presence as well." }, { "end_time": "15:48", "start_time": "15:45", "text": "And I felt like both the mother and the father like guided me through the trip." }, { "end_time": "15:50", "start_time": "15:49", "text": "A lot of things I saw." }, { "end_time": "15:54", "start_time": "15:50", "text": "I felt like I went back to I could go back to individual memories of my life." }, { "end_time": "15:57", "start_time": "15:54", "text": "So I went back to the time my sister and me were kids and we were watching TV." }, { "end_time": "15:59", "start_time": "15:58", "text": "And I saw the fights we had." }, { "end_time": "16:00", "start_time": "16:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:01", "start_time": "16:00", "text": "It becomes very vivid." }, { "end_time": "16:03", "start_time": "16:01", "text": "Your childhood experiences come out very clearly." }, { "end_time": "16:04", "start_time": "16:03", "text": "Very vivid." }, { "end_time": "16:08", "start_time": "16:04", "text": "I I I went back to those little tips that I had with my parents, you know, and I realized, wait." }, { "end_time": "16:09", "start_time": "16:08", "text": "I was being stupid." }, { "end_time": "16:10", "start_time": "16:09", "text": "I was being a stupid teenager there." }, { "end_time": "16:12", "start_time": "16:11", "text": "And you come back." }, { "end_time": "16:14", "start_time": "16:12", "text": "So it it puts you through these experiences." }, { "end_time": "16:16", "start_time": "16:14", "text": "You go through, like, these visuals." }, { "end_time": "16:18", "start_time": "16:17", "text": "You also are able to see yourself." }, { "end_time": "16:20", "start_time": "16:18", "text": "You're able to see your mind much more clearly." }, { "end_time": "16:24", "start_time": "16:20", "text": "It's like you're kind of going through a trip in your you're going through a car ride in your own mind." }, { "end_time": "16:25", "start_time": "16:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:36", "start_time": "16:25", "text": "And then finally the final, kind of most important climax of the trip for me was that it I I imagine that the Ayahuasca took me and put me on the side of a highway." }, { "end_time": "16:36", "start_time": "16:36", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "16:40", "start_time": "16:37", "text": "And on one end, I could hear something coming from the horizon." }, { "end_time": "16:45", "start_time": "16:41", "text": "So I I couldn't see what it was, but I could hear something very big coming from the horizon." }, { "end_time": "16:51", "start_time": "16:45", "text": "And before I knew it, this big fireball just like flew past me and went to the other horizon with like this huge noise." }, { "end_time": "16:54", "start_time": "16:52", "text": "And I was like really taken aback by it." }, { "end_time": "16:57", "start_time": "16:54", "text": "So I opened my eyes and I told my shaman this." }, { "end_time": "16:57", "start_time": "16:57", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "16:58", "start_time": "16:57", "text": "And he's like wait hold on." }, { "end_time": "16:59", "start_time": "16:58", "text": "Go back into your trip." }, { "end_time": "17:05", "start_time": "16:59", "text": "So I closed my eyes again and then I asked the ayahuasca and I asked that father that what does this mean?" }, { "end_time": "17:09", "start_time": "17:05", "text": "So it said that this can be your career if you learn self belief." }, { "end_time": "17:11", "start_time": "17:10", "text": "You have no self belief right now in life." }, { "end_time": "17:19", "start_time": "17:12", "text": "So even if it means faking it, like fake self belief, but really believe that the path you are taking is the correct path." }, { "end_time": "17:28", "start_time": "17:19", "text": "Which is exactly the question I had in my head at that point which is that am I doing the correct thing by quitting engineering, becoming a physical fitness trainer and doing this YouTube thing." }, { "end_time": "17:31", "start_time": "17:29", "text": "And now we have an office full of 40 people." }, { "end_time": "17:35", "start_time": "17:32", "text": "And that's come out of that one trip and I came out a different person." }, { "end_time": "17:39", "start_time": "17:35", "text": "So they say that, Ayahuasca changes you for life." }, { "end_time": "17:42", "start_time": "17:39", "text": "I don't think I'll end up doing it again and I'll tell you why." }, { "end_time": "17:45", "start_time": "17:42", "text": "Because I feel like the science of Ayahuasca is that it's DMT." }, { "end_time": "17:46", "start_time": "17:45", "text": "That's the active substance." }, { "end_time": "17:47", "start_time": "17:46", "text": "Dimethyltryptamine." }, { "end_time": "17:48", "start_time": "17:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:52", "start_time": "17:48", "text": "So DMT is released and I also believe that DMT can be released through intense meditations." }, { "end_time": "17:54", "start_time": "17:52", "text": "And right now I'm deep in the spirituality." }, { "end_time": "17:54", "start_time": "17:54", "text": "I'm deep in the meditation." }, { "end_time": "17:57", "start_time": "17:54", "text": "And I feel like I can get an Ayahuasca trip every night." }, { "end_time": "17:59", "start_time": "17:57", "text": "Like through my 2 hour long meditation." }, { "end_time": "17:59", "start_time": "17:59", "text": "Oh, you're very right there." }, { "end_time": "18:04", "start_time": "17:59", "text": "Because see, the very fact is anything that makes you high means you need to have that receptor." }, { "end_time": "18:04", "start_time": "18:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:04", "start_time": "18:04", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "18:08", "start_time": "18:04", "text": "So when you smoke marijuana or you smoke hash, why does it make you high?" }, { "end_time": "18:09", "start_time": "18:08", "text": "Because we have an opioid receptor now." }, { "end_time": "18:11", "start_time": "18:09", "text": "If we didn't have the receptor, we wouldn't get high." }, { "end_time": "18:15", "start_time": "18:11", "text": "So if I'm gonna eat celery, celery is not making me high because I don't have that receptor." }, { "end_time": "18:15", "start_time": "18:15", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "18:21", "start_time": "18:15", "text": "If we have the receptor, that means we have the ability to create the same chemicals in our mind." }, { "end_time": "18:25", "start_time": "18:22", "text": "And deep meditation produces the bliss molecule." }, { "end_time": "18:25", "start_time": "18:25", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "18:28", "start_time": "18:25", "text": "And that's why you don't have to do psychedelics after a while." }, { "end_time": "18:29", "start_time": "18:28", "text": "You don't have to do it." }, { "end_time": "18:31", "start_time": "18:29", "text": "Some people find it in life." }, { "end_time": "18:31", "start_time": "18:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:33", "start_time": "18:31", "text": "Some people use a psychedelic as a stepping stone." }, { "end_time": "18:37", "start_time": "18:33", "text": "And then you have the 3rd category of people who will use it just to be cool." }, { "end_time": "18:37", "start_time": "18:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:38", "start_time": "18:37", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "18:39", "start_time": "18:38", "text": "So what about you?" }, { "end_time": "18:40", "start_time": "18:39", "text": "Like have you had an Ayahuasca experience?" }, { "end_time": "18:40", "start_time": "18:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:44", "start_time": "18:40", "text": "I did an Ayahuasca trip way way I think I was really young." }, { "end_time": "18:45", "start_time": "18:44", "text": "Maybe in my twenties I think." }, { "end_time": "18:48", "start_time": "18:46", "text": "And, I did it again with the right intention." }, { "end_time": "18:51", "start_time": "18:48", "text": "I wanted to understand what's deeper in my life at that point." }, { "end_time": "18:53", "start_time": "18:52", "text": "That point I had no idea what I was gonna do." }, { "end_time": "18:54", "start_time": "18:53", "text": "Life was good." }, { "end_time": "18:57", "start_time": "18:54", "text": "I had no problems, no negativity, none of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "18:57", "start_time": "18:57", "text": "I just did it." }, { "end_time": "19:00", "start_time": "18:57", "text": "It was part of a whole Amazon adventure kind of a thing." }, { "end_time": "19:08", "start_time": "19:00", "text": "But when, when I finished the trip, the shaman sat with me and he just said, you know, you've not lived enough of life to be here." }, { "end_time": "19:09", "start_time": "19:08", "text": "Come back later." }, { "end_time": "19:12", "start_time": "19:09", "text": "Like you said, the cross when you're at the crossroad in your life." }, { "end_time": "19:13", "start_time": "19:12", "text": "He said, it's great." }, { "end_time": "19:13", "start_time": "19:13", "text": "Go ahead." }, { "end_time": "19:17", "start_time": "19:13", "text": "You know, whatever path you're on, follow the path, but right intention." }, { "end_time": "19:19", "start_time": "19:17", "text": "I learned right intention from the shaman." }, { "end_time": "19:21", "start_time": "19:19", "text": "And today everything we do is with the right intention." }, { "end_time": "19:23", "start_time": "19:21", "text": "See no matter what, we will make mistakes." }, { "end_time": "19:25", "start_time": "19:23", "text": "Everyone out here will make mistakes." }, { "end_time": "19:26", "start_time": "19:25", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "19:27", "start_time": "19:26", "text": "We'll make grave mistakes sometimes." }, { "end_time": "19:28", "start_time": "19:27", "text": "But what was your intention?" }, { "end_time": "19:33", "start_time": "19:28", "text": "When your intention is to manipulate evil, cheat, all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "19:38", "start_time": "19:33", "text": "Sometimes we may make a mistake that may result in like we've hurt someone, betrayed someone or whatever." }, { "end_time": "19:41", "start_time": "19:38", "text": "But as long as the intention was clean and right, it is not going to affect you." }, { "end_time": "19:44", "start_time": "19:41", "text": "But when the intention is wrong, and that's what I learned from them." }, { "end_time": "19:45", "start_time": "19:44", "text": "Intention is everything." }, { "end_time": "19:49", "start_time": "19:46", "text": "My intention to eat an animal is example." }, { "end_time": "19:50", "start_time": "19:49", "text": "This is what the shaman said." }, { "end_time": "19:50", "start_time": "19:50", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "19:51", "start_time": "19:50", "text": "We hunt animals." }, { "end_time": "19:52", "start_time": "19:51", "text": "We kill animals." }, { "end_time": "19:53", "start_time": "19:52", "text": "They're spiritual beings." }, { "end_time": "19:54", "start_time": "19:53", "text": "We should not kill them." }, { "end_time": "19:56", "start_time": "19:54", "text": "Our intention is we need food." }, { "end_time": "19:58", "start_time": "19:56", "text": "This goes back to the ages where there were no groceries." }, { "end_time": "20:00", "start_time": "19:58", "text": "There were no whole foods and none of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "20:02", "start_time": "20:00", "text": "So they killed with the right intention." }, { "end_time": "20:04", "start_time": "20:02", "text": "Today people are doing everything with the wrong intention." }, { "end_time": "20:08", "start_time": "20:05", "text": "And that is why whether you are on a psychedelic or not and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "20:11", "start_time": "20:08", "text": "A lot of people judge people who are on psychedelics." }, { "end_time": "20:15", "start_time": "20:11", "text": "And I would see this whole community in Goa judging the hippies." }, { "end_time": "20:17", "start_time": "20:15", "text": "There was zero crime from the hippies." }, { "end_time": "20:20", "start_time": "20:17", "text": "There was zero you know, child abuse from hippies." }, { "end_time": "20:26", "start_time": "20:20", "text": "All the child abuse came from people who are educated, who are, you know, have a lot of money." }, { "end_time": "20:28", "start_time": "20:27", "text": "All of the bad stuff happened with them." }, { "end_time": "20:31", "start_time": "20:28", "text": "And I was like, who are you to judge anyone?" }, { "end_time": "20:37", "start_time": "20:31", "text": "Some of the people who are more spiritual and praying every day and doing poojas and in churches and stuff have the dirtiest hearts." }, { "end_time": "20:39", "start_time": "20:37", "text": "So you can't judge anyone." }, { "end_time": "20:42", "start_time": "20:39", "text": "It all comes down to intention, intention, intention and intention." }, { "end_time": "20:44", "start_time": "20:42", "text": "So they say a psychedelic works with the right intention." }, { "end_time": "20:45", "start_time": "20:44", "text": "It's like that." }, { "end_time": "20:49", "start_time": "20:45", "text": "I have loads of friends left back in Goa today who have flipped out completely." }, { "end_time": "20:51", "start_time": "20:49", "text": "They did it with the wrong intention." }, { "end_time": "20:54", "start_time": "20:51", "text": "And I have loads of people who have become business tycoons." }, { "end_time": "20:55", "start_time": "20:54", "text": "They're billionaires." }, { "end_time": "20:58", "start_time": "20:55", "text": "They've experimented with psychedelics." }, { "end_time": "21:01", "start_time": "20:58", "text": "I mean, Steve Jobs writes about it in his own book for creativity." }, { "end_time": "21:02", "start_time": "21:01", "text": "He would come down to India." }, { "end_time": "21:03", "start_time": "21:02", "text": "He would go to Rishikesh." }, { "end_time": "21:06", "start_time": "21:04", "text": "He would use LSD and he would go back." }, { "end_time": "21:07", "start_time": "21:06", "text": "What's big in Silicon Valley today?" }, { "end_time": "21:09", "start_time": "21:07", "text": "People are microdosing on LSD." }, { "end_time": "21:18", "start_time": "21:09", "text": "Microdosing means you take such a little you you take small microdots, which means you can go to work, but you can create, you can talk, you can be in meetings." }, { "end_time": "21:20", "start_time": "21:18", "text": "You're not like completely like you're on a psychedelic trip." }, { "end_time": "21:21", "start_time": "21:20", "text": "It's called microdosing." }, { "end_time": "21:21", "start_time": "21:21", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "21:23", "start_time": "21:21", "text": "It's become a new trend in Silicon Valley." }, { "end_time": "21:24", "start_time": "21:23", "text": "Am I saying it's the right thing?" }, { "end_time": "21:27", "start_time": "21:24", "text": "I think Silicon Valley is more of a fad with everything." }, { "end_time": "21:30", "start_time": "21:27", "text": "It comes and it goes done with the right intention." }, { "end_time": "21:33", "start_time": "21:30", "text": "People create music out of their psychedelic trips." }, { "end_time": "21:35", "start_time": "21:33", "text": "What happens in an LSD trip and an acid trip?" }, { "end_time": "21:40", "start_time": "21:36", "text": "So what I've heard from most people and I've I've experienced it once, it's very spiritual." }, { "end_time": "21:42", "start_time": "21:40", "text": "I mean, the first time I did it, it opened my my mind completely." }, { "end_time": "21:43", "start_time": "21:42", "text": "I saw life differently." }, { "end_time": "21:46", "start_time": "21:44", "text": "Completely, completely differently." }, { "end_time": "21:51", "start_time": "21:46", "text": "You know, when you do these things, you know, it's not like you're gonna hit on a girl and pick up a girl and you don't want to." }, { "end_time": "21:53", "start_time": "21:51", "text": "In fact, you wanna be away from people." }, { "end_time": "21:55", "start_time": "21:53", "text": "You wanna be in your own space and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "21:57", "start_time": "21:55", "text": "You feel like connecting with yourself." }, { "end_time": "21:59", "start_time": "21:57", "text": "I had a lot of my childhood memories come up." }, { "end_time": "22:05", "start_time": "21:59", "text": "I could remember vivid conversations at a very young age, which now if you ask me to recall, I would not be able to do that." }, { "end_time": "22:07", "start_time": "22:05", "text": "But I speak to a lot of people." }, { "end_time": "22:13", "start_time": "22:07", "text": "I have some top jewelers who before they create their design, they've done an LSD trip." }, { "end_time": "22:23", "start_time": "22:13", "text": "People in the music industry, you know, people who create animated cartoons, who create films, documentaries, not everyone, but everyone finds a different source of inspiration." }, { "end_time": "22:26", "start_time": "22:23", "text": "And if you channel it the right way, it it is only gonna result in something great." }, { "end_time": "22:30", "start_time": "22:26", "text": "You channel it the wrong way, it's gonna destroy your life and the people around you." }, { "end_time": "22:31", "start_time": "22:30", "text": "It's like that." }, { "end_time": "22:34", "start_time": "22:31", "text": "But like what actually happens in your brain on a biological level with electricity?" }, { "end_time": "22:35", "start_time": "22:34", "text": "It fires up your neurons." }, { "end_time": "22:36", "start_time": "22:35", "text": "It's like an electric circuit." }, { "end_time": "22:41", "start_time": "22:36", "text": "Just think of an electric circuit which is firing like a 1000 times more than normal." }, { "end_time": "22:44", "start_time": "22:42", "text": "So all electric surges moving through your brain." }, { "end_time": "22:46", "start_time": "22:44", "text": "And that's why you have psychedelic trance." }, { "end_time": "22:50", "start_time": "22:46", "text": "The trance basically, you know, moves and guides your high right into a whole journey." }, { "end_time": "22:53", "start_time": "22:50", "text": "So you have like sunset music, then it gets darker." }, { "end_time": "22:56", "start_time": "22:53", "text": "Then you have night, then you get the morning trance and then you have chill out." }, { "end_time": "22:58", "start_time": "22:56", "text": "So it's like a whole journey." }, { "end_time": "23:02", "start_time": "22:58", "text": "You go to a club, your music is dependent on how much alcohol is selling and how drunk people are." }, { "end_time": "23:04", "start_time": "23:02", "text": "Music ends and, you know, that's it." }, { "end_time": "23:05", "start_time": "23:04", "text": "So everything is a journey." }, { "end_time": "23:08", "start_time": "23:05", "text": "And like I said, we're not here to tell people to go and do it." }, { "end_time": "23:17", "start_time": "23:08", "text": "But we have to be open to the fact that, you know, a lot of drugs that people take, pharmaceutical drugs already have built in psychoactive." }, { "end_time": "23:23", "start_time": "23:17", "text": "So don't try to fool yourself by condemning a whole new, you know, possible field of medicine." }, { "end_time": "23:25", "start_time": "23:23", "text": "You know, no one is saying take psychedelic and don't listen to your doctors." }, { "end_time": "23:27", "start_time": "23:25", "text": "No one is saying take psychedelics and drop your meds." }, { "end_time": "23:28", "start_time": "23:27", "text": "No one is saying that." }, { "end_time": "23:39", "start_time": "23:28", "text": "But a lot of your psychoactive or a lot of your depression medication that you're taking, your mood elevators, your sleep medication, They have some of the same constituents that natural plant." }, { "end_time": "23:40", "start_time": "23:39", "text": "They come from plants." }, { "end_time": "23:41", "start_time": "23:40", "text": "Psychedelic plants." }, { "end_time": "23:41", "start_time": "23:41", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "23:42", "start_time": "23:41", "text": "We should be open to it." }, { "end_time": "23:44", "start_time": "23:42", "text": "Even the medical marijuana thing, you know." }, { "end_time": "23:48", "start_time": "23:44", "text": "Now it's stupid if you're gonna say, hey, medical marijuana is gonna take away my cancer." }, { "end_time": "23:48", "start_time": "23:48", "text": "No, it's not." }, { "end_time": "23:50", "start_time": "23:49", "text": "Absolutely not." }, { "end_time": "23:50", "start_time": "23:50", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "23:55", "start_time": "23:50", "text": "There is research showing how it can boost the immune system and work with your stem cell regeneration." }, { "end_time": "23:59", "start_time": "23:55", "text": "But you can't make a claim so everyone starts doing medical marijuana saying it's gonna take away my cancer." }, { "end_time": "24:00", "start_time": "23:59", "text": "That's stupidity." }, { "end_time": "24:01", "start_time": "24:00", "text": "It plays a role." }, { "end_time": "24:03", "start_time": "24:01", "text": "It possibly plays a role." }, { "end_time": "24:04", "start_time": "24:03", "text": "It's still being researched." }, { "end_time": "24:05", "start_time": "24:04", "text": "Takes away pain definitely." }, { "end_time": "24:11", "start_time": "24:05", "text": "In a bone cancer, you get the right cannabis oil, it's gonna take away your pain, which is fantastic because it's not gonna damage your kidney." }, { "end_time": "24:13", "start_time": "24:11", "text": "But again, it needs to be supervised." }, { "end_time": "24:15", "start_time": "24:13", "text": "It needs to be done the right way, the right quality." }, { "end_time": "24:20", "start_time": "24:15", "text": "The THC has to be that's a tetrahydrocannabinol that does the action of taking away pain." }, { "end_time": "24:22", "start_time": "24:20", "text": "Everyone's running after CBD oil." }, { "end_time": "24:23", "start_time": "24:22", "text": "CBD oil." }, { "end_time": "24:26", "start_time": "24:23", "text": "Half of them don't even understand how it's working in their system." }, { "end_time": "24:28", "start_time": "24:26", "text": "But they're doing it because everyone's doing it." }, { "end_time": "24:33", "start_time": "24:28", "text": "So what is what is like the medical field's perception of psychedelics, of marijuana, things like that?" }, { "end_time": "24:34", "start_time": "24:33", "text": "What's happening there right now?" }, { "end_time": "24:36", "start_time": "24:34", "text": "See, it's always gonna be controlled." }, { "end_time": "24:38", "start_time": "24:36", "text": "It's always gonna be controlled for the right reasons." }, { "end_time": "24:41", "start_time": "24:38", "text": "Because I think the biggest thing is if it gets out of control." }, { "end_time": "24:41", "start_time": "24:41", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "24:47", "start_time": "24:41", "text": "If it gets out of control, you're gonna have people who are on psychedelics and drugs and all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "24:49", "start_time": "24:47", "text": "Driving, doing different things." }, { "end_time": "24:51", "start_time": "24:49", "text": "So that's why it comes under a controlled substance." }, { "end_time": "24:57", "start_time": "24:51", "text": "And of course, there's a lot of political controversy about why certain governments are legalizing it and why some are not." }, { "end_time": "25:02", "start_time": "24:57", "text": "If you look at, I mean, Amsterdam and stuff where it's legal, I mean, you never hear of a rape happening in Amsterdam." }, { "end_time": "25:07", "start_time": "25:02", "text": "You never hear of that kind of, you know, crime that happens in a place where it's controlled." }, { "end_time": "25:08", "start_time": "25:07", "text": "So it's a controversial subject." }, { "end_time": "25:12", "start_time": "25:08", "text": "And I'm sure there's a lot more that people have before it really goes." }, { "end_time": "25:21", "start_time": "25:12", "text": "But in the states where it's kind of legalized and all, I mean, the statistics show that crime rate has fallen right to the bottom right there because it's no longer controlled and people are misusing it as well." }, { "end_time": "25:26", "start_time": "25:21", "text": "Because suddenly something which is legal, you know, if you, if you like people, human beings want to break rules." }, { "end_time": "25:29", "start_time": "25:26", "text": "So the stronger the rule, the more the human man wants to break it." }, { "end_time": "25:32", "start_time": "25:29", "text": "So something which was condemned completely and now is out in the open." }, { "end_time": "25:35", "start_time": "25:32", "text": "People have to learn how to behave around it, you know." }, { "end_time": "25:41", "start_time": "25:35", "text": "So I've seen it destroy people's lives and I've seen it like elevate people out of the wrong company." }, { "end_time": "25:42", "start_time": "25:41", "text": "I'm talking about psychedelics." }, { "end_time": "25:43", "start_time": "25:42", "text": "I'm talking about marijuana and all of these things." }, { "end_time": "25:45", "start_time": "25:43", "text": "How does it destroy people's lives?" }, { "end_time": "25:45", "start_time": "25:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:46", "start_time": "25:45", "text": "I mean, you get addicted to it." }, { "end_time": "25:48", "start_time": "25:46", "text": "You start using it as a coping mechanism." }, { "end_time": "25:51", "start_time": "25:48", "text": "You start using it because you don't have a good childhood at home." }, { "end_time": "25:52", "start_time": "25:51", "text": "Your parents are fighting all the time." }, { "end_time": "25:54", "start_time": "25:52", "text": "You look for peace outside." }, { "end_time": "25:56", "start_time": "25:54", "text": "So you know, when parents condemn their children and say, oh, don't do this." }, { "end_time": "26:02", "start_time": "25:56", "text": "You know, a lot of parents whose kids are on drugs, the parents have to understand they are possibly on drugs." }, { "end_time": "26:03", "start_time": "26:02", "text": "1 is bad company for sure." }, { "end_time": "26:06", "start_time": "26:03", "text": "If it's not bad company, it's the environment you've created at home." }, { "end_time": "26:09", "start_time": "26:06", "text": "Most of the kids I counsel are saying, listen, I have no peace at home." }, { "end_time": "26:10", "start_time": "26:09", "text": "My parents are always fighting." }, { "end_time": "26:12", "start_time": "26:10", "text": "They are always whatever and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "26:13", "start_time": "26:12", "text": "I need my peace." }, { "end_time": "26:14", "start_time": "26:13", "text": "They turn to alcohol." }, { "end_time": "26:15", "start_time": "26:14", "text": "They turn to drugs." }, { "end_time": "26:21", "start_time": "26:15", "text": "So we all play a huge role in creating the right environment for our youth, our teenagers, and all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "26:26", "start_time": "26:21", "text": "So like I said, in colleges and stuff, if it is the cool factor that, oh, you're cool if you're seen with a joint." }, { "end_time": "26:28", "start_time": "26:26", "text": "That's the wrong intention to do it." }, { "end_time": "26:29", "start_time": "26:28", "text": "That's the wrong intention to do it." }, { "end_time": "26:32", "start_time": "26:29", "text": "It's gonna destroy you because the cooler you wanna get means you gotta do more of it." }, { "end_time": "26:32", "start_time": "26:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:35", "start_time": "26:32", "text": "What does marijuana do for a human being's mind?" }, { "end_time": "26:37", "start_time": "26:35", "text": "See, in most cases, it actually slows it down." }, { "end_time": "26:38", "start_time": "26:37", "text": "It may make you calm." }, { "end_time": "26:42", "start_time": "26:38", "text": "It may change your behavior completely, but it slows down your sales." }, { "end_time": "26:42", "start_time": "26:42", "text": "In the long term." }, { "end_time": "26:44", "start_time": "26:42", "text": "In the long term, it slows down your sales." }, { "end_time": "26:48", "start_time": "26:44", "text": "Now for some people, it may be great if they're not ambitious about their careers." }, { "end_time": "26:51", "start_time": "26:48", "text": "If they're happy, just doing what they do, like a simple job." }, { "end_time": "26:54", "start_time": "26:51", "text": "But people who want to be creative and move on if it slows you down." }, { "end_time": "26:56", "start_time": "26:54", "text": "Like I said, it's different." }, { "end_time": "26:59", "start_time": "26:56", "text": "People who need to create music, movies, all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "27:00", "start_time": "26:59", "text": "They use it." }, { "end_time": "27:01", "start_time": "27:00", "text": "We all know that." }, { "end_time": "27:01", "start_time": "27:01", "text": "They're open about it." }, { "end_time": "27:02", "start_time": "27:01", "text": "They use it." }, { "end_time": "27:06", "start_time": "27:02", "text": "But a simple person moving into their careers and stuff it can destroy you." }, { "end_time": "27:10", "start_time": "27:06", "text": "Because it puts you on a path which is defined by the drug you're taking, not by what you really want." }, { "end_time": "27:11", "start_time": "27:10", "text": "Because you're confused." }, { "end_time": "27:12", "start_time": "27:11", "text": "It distorts your mind." }, { "end_time": "27:14", "start_time": "27:12", "text": "So you you wanna be really, really careful about this." }, { "end_time": "27:16", "start_time": "27:14", "text": "And like I said, it should come naturally." }, { "end_time": "27:20", "start_time": "27:16", "text": "You should not be pulled into it because you have to do it to be cool." }, { "end_time": "27:22", "start_time": "27:20", "text": "You know, everything comes to you and you are meant to do it." }, { "end_time": "27:24", "start_time": "27:22", "text": "You will do it no matter what." }, { "end_time": "27:25", "start_time": "27:24", "text": "It'll come to you." }, { "end_time": "27:25", "start_time": "27:25", "text": "No matter what." }, { "end_time": "27:26", "start_time": "27:25", "text": "The plants will find you." }, { "end_time": "27:27", "start_time": "27:26", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "27:27", "start_time": "27:27", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "27:35", "start_time": "27:27", "text": "My final segment in this podcast is shrooms, mushrooms, like peyote or, you know, the shrooms you hear about people taking in Silicon Valley." }, { "end_time": "27:37", "start_time": "27:35", "text": "So one, what happens in that trip?" }, { "end_time": "27:39", "start_time": "27:37", "text": "Is it very similar to Ayahuasca?" }, { "end_time": "27:40", "start_time": "27:39", "text": "Is it something like that?" }, { "end_time": "27:40", "start_time": "27:40", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "27:41", "start_time": "27:40", "text": "It's completely different." }, { "end_time": "27:48", "start_time": "27:41", "text": "Again, see, I mean, psilocybin is basically, is basically the psychedelic in a mushroom that, you know, makes you high." }, { "end_time": "27:50", "start_time": "27:48", "text": "Makes you see colors and bubbles and all of that." }, { "end_time": "27:52", "start_time": "27:50", "text": "So everyone, sees it differently." }, { "end_time": "27:54", "start_time": "27:52", "text": "Some people just like to chill, no music." }, { "end_time": "27:56", "start_time": "27:54", "text": "Some people can laugh, they need company around." }, { "end_time": "28:00", "start_time": "27:56", "text": "I mean, it's different for everyone in whatever I've read from different case studies of people." }, { "end_time": "28:02", "start_time": "28:00", "text": "You go up to certain hill stations in India where it grows." }, { "end_time": "28:04", "start_time": "28:02", "text": "You see the cows eating it." }, { "end_time": "28:05", "start_time": "28:04", "text": "Any animals eating it." }, { "end_time": "28:08", "start_time": "28:05", "text": "They're not like acting crazy and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "28:09", "start_time": "28:08", "text": "You know, it's grown." }, { "end_time": "28:09", "start_time": "28:09", "text": "There's a reason." }, { "end_time": "28:11", "start_time": "28:09", "text": "It's not gonna kill you at the same time." }, { "end_time": "28:12", "start_time": "28:11", "text": "It can move you off your path." }, { "end_time": "28:19", "start_time": "28:12", "text": "So if you're really depressed, you're going through a bad phase in your life, and suddenly you take something like a psychedelic that makes you feel so great." }, { "end_time": "28:24", "start_time": "28:19", "text": "The issue is if you use that to get you through life, it builds addiction." }, { "end_time": "28:26", "start_time": "28:25", "text": "It builds addiction." }, { "end_time": "28:27", "start_time": "28:26", "text": "It's as simple as that, you know." }, { "end_time": "28:35", "start_time": "28:27", "text": "But they are again, there's a lot of research on psilocybin how they're trying to extract psilocybin and use it in certain medical therapies." }, { "end_time": "28:36", "start_time": "28:35", "text": "Again, across the world." }, { "end_time": "28:40", "start_time": "28:36", "text": "Because when you go back decades decades, this is what people used." }, { "end_time": "28:42", "start_time": "28:41", "text": "This is what people used, you know." }, { "end_time": "28:45", "start_time": "28:42", "text": "And they figured it out because they had so much more intuition than us." }, { "end_time": "28:46", "start_time": "28:45", "text": "More intuition and more wisdom." }, { "end_time": "28:47", "start_time": "28:46", "text": "We have more knowledge." }, { "end_time": "28:48", "start_time": "28:48", "text": "We have more opinions." }, { "end_time": "28:50", "start_time": "28:48", "text": "We have more so called research." }, { "end_time": "28:53", "start_time": "28:50", "text": "I'm not against research, but everyone hides behind research." }, { "end_time": "28:53", "start_time": "28:53", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "28:57", "start_time": "28:53", "text": "And you'll find that most of the people who have discovered these psychedelics are scientists." }, { "end_time": "29:03", "start_time": "28:58", "text": "When their process of their daily work realized there was something like Hoffman." }, { "end_time": "29:05", "start_time": "29:04", "text": "Hoffman discovered LSD." }, { "end_time": "29:06", "start_time": "29:05", "text": "He was a scientist." }, { "end_time": "29:09", "start_time": "29:06", "text": "He used it on himself and he realized what it could do." }, { "end_time": "29:11", "start_time": "29:09", "text": "And he also realized how it could destroy people." }, { "end_time": "29:12", "start_time": "29:11", "text": "So there's always a balance in everything." }, { "end_time": "29:13", "start_time": "29:12", "text": "I think that's what you do." }, { "end_time": "29:18", "start_time": "29:13", "text": "So what's like the final advice you have for like a young person watching this who's very fascinated by this world?" }, { "end_time": "29:21", "start_time": "29:19", "text": "Just like your final advice." }, { "end_time": "29:26", "start_time": "29:21", "text": "See I think you know I'm I'm no one to give advice because people are gonna explore whether they want to or not." }, { "end_time": "29:28", "start_time": "29:26", "text": "Whatever you're gonna explore in life, it doesn't have to be psychedelics." }, { "end_time": "29:31", "start_time": "29:29", "text": "Everyone will want to explore something at some time." }, { "end_time": "29:37", "start_time": "29:31", "text": "If you're doing it, do it with the right intention, on the right path, within the framework of your law, and everything else." }, { "end_time": "29:42", "start_time": "29:37", "text": "That's the way, you know, you do it Because I think we have to respect that path that people may want to take." }, { "end_time": "29:47", "start_time": "29:42", "text": "Like I'll tell you most of the parents who try to safeguard their kids from drugs throughout their life." }, { "end_time": "29:49", "start_time": "29:47", "text": "They like keep a check on everything." }, { "end_time": "29:51", "start_time": "29:49", "text": "Those are the kids that are doing the most drugs." }, { "end_time": "29:54", "start_time": "29:52", "text": "You know, it's sad, but it's the truth." }, { "end_time": "29:55", "start_time": "29:54", "text": "So sometimes you gotta allow freedom." }, { "end_time": "29:59", "start_time": "29:55", "text": "You know, like I always say, once a child is born, the cord is cut." }, { "end_time": "30:01", "start_time": "29:59", "text": "Your child has his own life." }, { "end_time": "30:02", "start_time": "30:01", "text": "You are the parent." }, { "end_time": "30:07", "start_time": "30:02", "text": "You have to nurture them, give them security, But you can't control their dreams." }, { "end_time": "30:09", "start_time": "30:07", "text": "You can't control how they're gonna go." }, { "end_time": "30:11", "start_time": "30:09", "text": "They will go the way that their path is defined." }, { "end_time": "30:15", "start_time": "30:11", "text": "So when parents are open to that, these are the kids who are more honest with their parents." }, { "end_time": "30:16", "start_time": "30:15", "text": "They share." }, { "end_time": "30:17", "start_time": "30:16", "text": "They do." }, { "end_time": "30:19", "start_time": "30:17", "text": "Parents are involved and all of these things." }, { "end_time": "30:23", "start_time": "30:19", "text": "Like a normal hippie scene in Goa, like the parents are doing stuff in front of their kids." }, { "end_time": "30:26", "start_time": "30:23", "text": "So the kids don't grow up seeing it as something which is taboo." }, { "end_time": "30:29", "start_time": "30:26", "text": "In India, anything which is taboo, you want to do it more." }, { "end_time": "30:30", "start_time": "30:29", "text": "You know, you want to do it more." }, { "end_time": "30:32", "start_time": "30:30", "text": "You want to do all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "30:33", "start_time": "30:32", "text": "So I think we gotta relax with that." }, { "end_time": "30:37", "start_time": "30:33", "text": "Like I said, as long as we're within the framework of the law, we're not harming ourselves." }, { "end_time": "30:39", "start_time": "30:37", "text": "We're not harming other people." }, { "end_time": "30:39", "start_time": "30:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:42", "start_time": "30:39", "text": "And you know, we're not doing anything which is basically illegal." }, { "end_time": "30:43", "start_time": "30:42", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "30:47", "start_time": "30:43", "text": "I feel this with these kind of off the center topics or whatever it's called." }, { "end_time": "30:48", "start_time": "30:47", "text": "Just be open to it." }, { "end_time": "30:49", "start_time": "30:48", "text": "Be open to learning about it." }, { "end_time": "30:50", "start_time": "30:49", "text": "Use it safely." }, { "end_time": "30:52", "start_time": "30:51", "text": "Don't get obsessed by the world." }, { "end_time": "30:54", "start_time": "30:52", "text": "That's like another aspect of it." }, { "end_time": "30:55", "start_time": "30:54", "text": "And yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:58", "start_time": "30:55", "text": "Just keep listening to the Ranbir show for interesting conversations like this." }, { "end_time": "30:59", "start_time": "30:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:00", "start_time": "30:59", "text": "You must do that." }, { "end_time": "31:01", "start_time": "31:00", "text": "And thank you, Luke, again." }, { "end_time": "31:02", "start_time": "31:01", "text": "This is a beautiful conversation." }, { "end_time": "31:05", "start_time": "31:03", "text": "I'm gonna be linking all of Luke's handles down below." }, { "end_time": "31:06", "start_time": "31:05", "text": "Make sure you go follow him every year." }, { "end_time": "31:10", "start_time": "31:06", "text": "One of the most knowledgeable human beings I'm ever gonna come across in multiple lifetimes." }, { "end_time": "31:11", "start_time": "31:10", "text": "So thank you, Luke." }, { "end_time": "31:12", "start_time": "31:11", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "31:13", "start_time": "31:12", "text": "Thank you, Ramika." } ] }

[ { "content": "**Task Description:** \nYou are provided with a YouTube video transcript in JSON format, where each entry is synchronized with its respective timestamp. This transcript contains the spoken text along with its start and end times. Your objective is to generate high-quality, chapter-wise segments that accurately represent key points or transitions within the video.\n\n**Transcript JSON Format:** \nThe transcript is formatted as a list of dictionaries, where each dictionary represents a spoken sentence, including its text and corresponding start and end times.\n\n**Example Transcript:** \n```json\n[\n {\n \"text\": \"The narrative in the public eye is that you left working with the Modi government because your opinions weren't heard.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:07\"\n },\n {\n \"text\": \"I want to know your side of the story.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:08\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:10\"\n },\n ...\n]\n```\n\n**Your Task:** \nUsing the given transcript, generate a JSON output that breaks down the video into meaningful chapters. Each chapter should encapsulate a key segment of the video and be accompanied by a concise, informative title that reflects the essence of that segment.\n\n**Chapter JSON Format:** \nThe output should follow this structure:\n```json\n{\n \"chapters\": [\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"title\": \"Introduction and Opening Remarks\"\n },\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:07\",\n \"title\": \"Discussing the Exit from Modi Government\"\n },\n ...\n ]\n}\n```\n\n**Requirements:** \n1. **Identify Key Segments:** Extract significant portions of the transcript that represent shifts in topic, important discussions, or transitions in conversation.\n2. **Craft Informative Titles:** Each chapter title should be clear, engaging, and directly related to the content covered in that segment.\n3. **Preserve Time Stamps:** Ensure that each chapter's `start_time` corresponds to the first instance of a key topic or segment in the transcript.\n4. **Conciseness is Key:** While titles should be descriptive, avoid making them overly lengthy. Aim for a balance between informativeness and brevity.", "role": "system" }, { "content": "{'transcripts': array([{'end_time': '0:03', 'start_time': '0:00', 'text': \"Luke Coutinho is one of the world's premier health experts.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:05', 'start_time': '0:03', 'text': \"He's renowned for his knowledge.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:10', 'start_time': '0:05', 'text': \"He's renowned for all the research he's done and he's also got a degree in alternative medicine.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:24', 'start_time': '0:10', 'text': \"Now, he's someone who grew up in Goa during the hippie phase and that exposed him to a lot of people who experimented with psychoactive substances like LSD, like DMT, Ayahuasca, weed, alcohol obviously, and a bunch of other substances.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:26', 'start_time': '0:24', 'text': \"That's what we've spoken about in today's podcast.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:29', 'start_time': '0:27', 'text': 'And if you think that, wait, how does all this apply to me?'},\n {'end_time': '0:35', 'start_time': '0:29', 'text': \"I highly recommend you watch this podcast till the end because by the end of it, you're going to expand your own mental horizons.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:44', 'start_time': '0:36', 'text': \"You're gonna see how the world of medicine and the world of healing is evolving continuously, and what the modern takes on the psychoactive substances are.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:49', 'start_time': '0:44', 'text': 'In this podcast, Luke and myself have also spoken about our own experiences with some of these substances.'},\n {'end_time': '0:58', 'start_time': '0:50', 'text': 'So, if you want to hear an honest scientific biology back conversation about the so called drugs, please watch this episode till the end.'},\n {'end_time': '1:09', 'start_time': '0:58', 'text': 'A lot of people group things like LSD or Ayahuasca or peyote or psilocybin mushrooms in the same category as cocaine or meth or heroin or dangerous drugs like that.'},\n {'end_time': '1:20', 'start_time': '1:09', 'text': \"But I promise you that by the end of this podcast, you're going to have your mental horizons expanded just a little bit further to understand the use of naturally found substances and the benefits for the human mind and body.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:26', 'start_time': '1:20', 'text': 'We do not recommend drugs to anyone that is not our intention with creating this particular podcast.'},\n {'end_time': '1:31', 'start_time': '1:26', 'text': \"We're just trying to discuss scientific facts, and we're trying to put knowledge out on the Internet.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:36', 'start_time': '1:31', 'text': 'So I hope you enjoy this extremely intelligent conversation on the Ranveesh.'},\n {'end_time': '1:48', 'start_time': '1:44', 'text': 'Weed, Ayahuasca, LSD, peyote, shrooms.'},\n {'end_time': '1:56', 'start_time': '1:48', 'text': \"Some of the topics that we're gonna tackle in today's episode, but from a very biological perspective because we've got one of the world's premier health experts.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:58', 'start_time': '1:56', 'text': \"He's someone who studied alternative medicine.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:04', 'start_time': '1:58', 'text': \"He's gonna bring like the scientific aspect on the so called psychedelic, so called recreational substances.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:08', 'start_time': '2:04', 'text': 'Luc Cateno, thank you once again for being on the runway show, brother.'},\n {'end_time': '2:08', 'start_time': '2:08', 'text': 'Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '2:09', 'start_time': '2:08', 'text': \"It's good to be back.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:09', 'start_time': '2:09', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '2:11', 'start_time': '2:09', 'text': 'This is gonna be an interesting conversation.'},\n {'end_time': '2:17', 'start_time': '2:12', 'text': 'I wanna just begin by telling you how I came across these substances in my life.'},\n {'end_time': '2:20', 'start_time': '2:17', 'text': \"Again, I've not I've not experimented with them.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:28', 'start_time': '2:20', 'text': 'I have experimented with marijuana, but I read this book called the teachings of dawn 1 by Carlos Castaneda.'},\n {'end_time': '2:28', 'start_time': '2:28', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '2:45', 'start_time': '2:28', 'text': 'Where he talks about the red Indian culture, the Indian culture from America, where they kind of really value these 9 sacred plants, which are basically psychedelic plants, which also give you extremely spiritual experiences, which kind of change the mental makeup in your head.'},\n {'end_time': '2:49', 'start_time': '2:45', 'text': 'So some of these plants were peyote, Ayahuasca, another one was datura.'},\n {'end_time': '2:52', 'start_time': '2:49', 'text': \"There was a bunch of other ones which I don't remember right now.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:55', 'start_time': '2:53', 'text': 'And that just got me really fascinated.'},\n {'end_time': '2:59', 'start_time': '2:55', 'text': \"I have had an experience with Ayahuasca, but we'll get to that later.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:02', 'start_time': '2:59', 'text': 'I wanna first get your introduction on this subject.'},\n {'end_time': '3:06', 'start_time': '3:03', 'text': 'How did you come across, you know, information about these substances?'},\n {'end_time': '3:09', 'start_time': '3:06', 'text': \"What kind of value can it add to an everyday person's life?\"},\n {'end_time': '3:10', 'start_time': '3:09', 'text': 'What should people know about it?'},\n {'end_time': '3:12', 'start_time': '3:10', 'text': 'What should people not know about it?'},\n {'end_time': '3:12', 'start_time': '3:12', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '3:16', 'start_time': '3:12', 'text': 'So first, we have to always respect the law, and every law in every country is different.'},\n {'end_time': '3:21', 'start_time': '3:16', 'text': 'You know, some psychedelics are on, on their class a psychedelics or drugs, and we gotta respect that law.'},\n {'end_time': '3:28', 'start_time': '3:21', 'text': 'But my interest, was basic I was intrigued when I got to know that pharmaceutical companies study them.'},\n {'end_time': '3:31', 'start_time': '3:28', 'text': \"Research labs across Mexico, LA, they're studying LSD.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:33', 'start_time': '3:31', 'text': \"They're studying you know, peoria.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:34', 'start_time': '3:33', 'text': \"They're studying.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:39', 'start_time': '3:34', 'text': \"They're bringing down shamans into research labs to find out why they do Ayahuasca rituals.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:40', 'start_time': '3:39', 'text': 'What is a shaman?'},\n {'end_time': '3:40', 'start_time': '3:40', 'text': 'And all of these.'},\n {'end_time': '3:43', 'start_time': '3:40', 'text': \"Shaman is like you could say, he's a native priest.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:43', 'start_time': '3:43', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '3:44', 'start_time': '3:43', 'text': \"He's their priest.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:51', 'start_time': '3:44', 'text': 'They basically they use the forces of nature to understand religion and heal diseases and all of these things.'},\n {'end_time': '3:54', 'start_time': '3:51', 'text': 'And I think everyone has to have an open mind about this.'},\n {'end_time': '3:57', 'start_time': '3:54', 'text': \"Now with a closed mind, we're gonna be very judgmental right from the start.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:01', 'start_time': '3:57', 'text': 'That psychedelics means drugs, drugs means whatever and stuff like that.'},\n {'end_time': '4:04', 'start_time': '4:01', 'text': \"And then, all I'm trying to say is keep an open heart and the mind.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:09', 'start_time': '4:04', 'text': 'And like, you know, when you point fingers always remember, you know, ask yourself are your hands clean?'},\n {'end_time': '4:09', 'start_time': '4:09', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '4:11', 'start_time': '4:09', 'text': \"It's as simple as that, you know.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:13', 'start_time': '4:11', 'text': 'So what happens is people term a drug as a drug.'},\n {'end_time': '4:21', 'start_time': '4:13', 'text': \"But they're okay taking diabetic medication, and a whole laundry list of medication, which are chemicals, which have side effects and all of that stuff.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:27', 'start_time': '4:21', 'text': \"So I think we're definitely not here to promote and tell people that get into psychedelics where you have to understand it.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:27', 'start_time': '4:27', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '4:32', 'start_time': '4:27', 'text': \"So when I got to know that people are looking at research on schizophrenia, dementia, Alzheimer's.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:36', 'start_time': '4:32', 'text': 'Because certain psychedelics have the ability to open blocks in our mind.'},\n {'end_time': '4:37', 'start_time': '4:36', 'text': 'Can you explain that for me?'},\n {'end_time': '4:38', 'start_time': '4:37', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '4:41', 'start_time': '4:38', 'text': 'So for example, if you go back to the movie Forrest Gump.'},\n {'end_time': '4:42', 'start_time': '4:41', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '4:47', 'start_time': '4:42', 'text': \"And, there's that one scene where she has a sugar cube of LSD and she says expand your horizon.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:49', 'start_time': '4:48', 'text': 'Expand your horizon.'},\n {'end_time': '4:54', 'start_time': '4:49', 'text': 'So psychedelics are believed to enable someone to really expand their perception towards life.'},\n {'end_time': '4:59', 'start_time': '4:54', 'text': 'Today, all our perceptions towards everything is controlled by what we have learned.'},\n {'end_time': '5:02', 'start_time': '4:59', 'text': 'The company that we do, what the media is feeding us and all of that stuff.'},\n {'end_time': '5:05', 'start_time': '5:02', 'text': 'So the media makes us believe that religion is bad.'},\n {'end_time': '5:07', 'start_time': '5:05', 'text': 'Like I think the best example is religion.'},\n {'end_time': '5:09', 'start_time': '5:08', 'text': 'Like religion is not the problem.'},\n {'end_time': '5:11', 'start_time': '5:09', 'text': \"It's the people who are the problem.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:11', 'start_time': '5:11', 'text': 'Not religion.'},\n {'end_time': '5:12', 'start_time': '5:11', 'text': 'Religion is religion.'},\n {'end_time': '5:16', 'start_time': '5:12', 'text': \"It's talking about compassion, forgiveness, being good, kind, all of that stuff.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:18', 'start_time': '5:16', 'text': 'The problem is with the people.'},\n {'end_time': '5:18', 'start_time': '5:18', 'text': 'Perception again.'},\n {'end_time': '5:22', 'start_time': '5:19', 'text': 'So when people do psychedelics, it expands their horizons.'},\n {'end_time': '5:24', 'start_time': '5:22', 'text': 'They start looking at life very, very differently.'},\n {'end_time': '5:26', 'start_time': '5:25', 'text': 'And of course, there are the wrong ways.'},\n {'end_time': '5:28', 'start_time': '5:26', 'text': 'Like I say, everything is intention.'},\n {'end_time': '5:29', 'start_time': '5:28', 'text': 'Some people get into it.'},\n {'end_time': '5:31', 'start_time': '5:29', 'text': 'Like datura is used by Indian priests.'},\n {'end_time': '5:37', 'start_time': '5:31', 'text': \"Priests who wear orange and stuff like that back in North India because it's believed to put them into a trance, a meditative trance.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:44', 'start_time': '5:37', 'text': 'And in that meditative trance, they are able to actually meditate and to come up with, you know, whatever it is that they are looking for.'},\n {'end_time': '5:44', 'start_time': '5:44', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '5:45', 'start_time': '5:44', 'text': 'In a complete state of trance.'},\n {'end_time': '5:52', 'start_time': '5:46', 'text': 'Even back in Israel, in Bethlehem, in in our own religion, being a Catholic and stuff like that, there was myrrh.'},\n {'end_time': '5:52', 'start_time': '5:52', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '5:55', 'start_time': '5:52', 'text': 'They were they were given as gifts to priests and everything else.'},\n {'end_time': '5:56', 'start_time': '5:55', 'text': 'What is it?'},\n {'end_time': '6:01', 'start_time': '5:56', 'text': \"So myrrh is basically a plant again, which doesn't have a psychedelic thing, but it's it's not really allowed.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:06', 'start_time': '6:01', 'text': \"Like you're not allowed to carry it into the Middle East because it has psychoactive substances in it.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:09', 'start_time': '6:06', 'text': \"You know, so it's always existed, but people have never abused it.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:11', 'start_time': '6:09', 'text': 'Now today people take it and they use it as recreational.'},\n {'end_time': '6:17', 'start_time': '6:11', 'text': \"Like I have patients all over the world, cancer patients in countries where it's now decriminalized or legalized.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:21', 'start_time': '6:17', 'text': 'So my cancer patients taking medical marijuana and all of that stuff.'},\n {'end_time': '6:26', 'start_time': '6:21', 'text': 'But then you look at the behavior, the patient is taking it and all of a sudden the family starts using it for recreation.'},\n {'end_time': '6:30', 'start_time': '6:27', 'text': \"So that's where, you know, all the confusion starts coming in.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:31', 'start_time': '6:30', 'text': 'Recreational drug.'},\n {'end_time': '6:32', 'start_time': '6:31', 'text': 'What is a recreational drug?'},\n {'end_time': '6:35', 'start_time': '6:32', 'text': \"Right now we're having a recreational conversation for example.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:35', 'start_time': '6:35', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '6:37', 'start_time': '6:35', 'text': 'Do I need a recreational drug to change that?'},\n {'end_time': '6:43', 'start_time': '6:37', 'text': \"By just using the term recreational makes people believe that if I have this drug, I'll have a great time.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:44', 'start_time': '6:43', 'text': \"But it's not that.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:48', 'start_time': '6:44', 'text': \"So many people don't do recreational drugs and they have a better time than someone who is on drugs.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:51', 'start_time': '6:48', 'text': \"So you see we're playing around with words and we're playing around with perception.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:56', 'start_time': '6:51', 'text': 'But coming down to psychedelics, because of its ability to basically change our mind.'},\n {'end_time': '6:58', 'start_time': '6:56', 'text': 'When I say change, our mind changes your perception.'},\n {'end_time': '7:00', 'start_time': '6:58', 'text': 'So like I grew up in Goa.'},\n {'end_time': '7:04', 'start_time': '7:00', 'text': 'I witnessed a lot of the hippie culture and stuff like that.'},\n {'end_time': '7:09', 'start_time': '7:04', 'text': \"And if you ask me today, there's a huge comparison between the people who drink and the people who do drugs.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:12', 'start_time': '7:09', 'text': \"I'm not saying either of them are good, bad, and you should do it.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:13', 'start_time': '7:12', 'text': \"We're clearly not saying that.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:19', 'start_time': '7:13', 'text': \"But people who experiment with LSD and the psychedelics and stuff, you know, when you talk to them, they're different people.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:20', 'start_time': '7:19', 'text': 'They take life easy.'},\n {'end_time': '7:22', 'start_time': '7:20', 'text': \"They don't take stress.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:25', 'start_time': '7:22', 'text': 'You know, they go back to their work countries and they work.'},\n {'end_time': '7:25', 'start_time': '7:25', 'text': 'They come back.'},\n {'end_time': '7:26', 'start_time': '7:25', 'text': 'They enjoy themselves.'},\n {'end_time': '7:28', 'start_time': '7:26', 'text': 'They look after their families.'},\n {'end_time': '7:29', 'start_time': '7:28', 'text': 'They have children.'},\n {'end_time': '7:31', 'start_time': '7:29', 'text': 'They think of a dimension which is very different.'},\n {'end_time': '7:35', 'start_time': '7:31', 'text': \"And you look at someone who's binge drinking alcohol, they lose their jobs.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:40', 'start_time': '7:35', 'text': \"They get into fights, they get into violence, they get into all of these things and stuff like that because they're different.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:46', 'start_time': '7:40', 'text': 'This is a psychedelic, psychedelic substance working for you, and here you have alcohol which is something totally different working for you.'},\n {'end_time': '7:51', 'start_time': '7:46', 'text': \"I just feel that alcohol is one of those psychedelic substances that's legalized, You know, that's that's made legal.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:51', 'start_time': '7:51', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '7:53', 'start_time': '7:51', 'text': \"I think it doesn't make people feel psychedelic.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:55', 'start_time': '7:53', 'text': 'It makes people more stupid.'},\n {'end_time': '7:55', 'start_time': '7:55', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '7:55', 'start_time': '7:55', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '7:56', 'start_time': '7:55', 'text': \"I'm being honest with you.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:57', 'start_time': '7:56', 'text': 'Like, what does it do?'},\n {'end_time': '7:58', 'start_time': '7:57', 'text': 'It lets down your guard.'},\n {'end_time': '7:58', 'start_time': '7:58', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '8:02', 'start_time': '7:58', 'text': 'So, like, every possible guy with the wrong intention of getting a woman drunk.'},\n {'end_time': '8:03', 'start_time': '8:03', 'text': 'Why?'},\n {'end_time': '8:03', 'start_time': '8:03', 'text': 'Why do they do that?'},\n {'end_time': '8:06', 'start_time': '8:03', 'text': 'Because they know the woman will not be able to think straight.'},\n {'end_time': '8:08', 'start_time': '8:06', 'text': \"So you'll be able to take advantage of them.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:08', 'start_time': '8:08', 'text': 'Okay?'},\n {'end_time': '8:10', 'start_time': '8:08', 'text': \"And you know, it's likewise with guys.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:11', 'start_time': '8:10', 'text': 'Guys, a lot of guys.'},\n {'end_time': '8:15', 'start_time': '8:11', 'text': 'There was this beautiful Harvard study of why clubs are dark.'},\n {'end_time': '8:15', 'start_time': '8:15', 'text': 'Okay?'},\n {'end_time': '8:19', 'start_time': '8:15', 'text': \"Because number 1, a man can't go and have a conversation to a woman.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:20', 'start_time': '8:19', 'text': 'Their confidence levels are low.'},\n {'end_time': '8:21', 'start_time': '8:20', 'text': \"So it's dark.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:25', 'start_time': '8:21', 'text': 'You have alcohol in your hand and immediately your confidence levels go up.'},\n {'end_time': '8:25', 'start_time': '8:25', 'text': 'Okay?'},\n {'end_time': '8:30', 'start_time': '8:25', 'text': 'Because of the darkness and because of that glass of alcohol in your hand.'},\n {'end_time': '8:33', 'start_time': '8:30', 'text': \"But with psychedelics, you know, we've experienced a lot of rave parties.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:34', 'start_time': '8:33', 'text': 'Seeing that people are free.'},\n {'end_time': '8:35', 'start_time': '8:34', 'text': 'People are open.'},\n {'end_time': '8:37', 'start_time': '8:36', 'text': \"People don't rape one another.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:40', 'start_time': '8:37', 'text': \"People don't go and touch and feel up women and men.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:43', 'start_time': '8:41', 'text': \"Everyone's in their own dimension, their own mind.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:44', 'start_time': '8:43', 'text': \"There's no judgement.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:45', 'start_time': '8:44', 'text': \"There's no judgement.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:46', 'start_time': '8:45', 'text': 'This is my observation.'},\n {'end_time': '8:47', 'start_time': '8:46', 'text': 'This is my observation.'},\n {'end_time': '8:48', 'start_time': '8:47', 'text': 'I used to play at rape parties.'},\n {'end_time': '8:49', 'start_time': '8:48', 'text': 'So I got to see people.'},\n {'end_time': '8:50', 'start_time': '8:49', 'text': 'How they behave.'},\n {'end_time': '8:58', 'start_time': '8:50', 'text': \"And you come into a club scene and it's like fake and it's chaotic and people are fueled on alcohol and behaving in a way that they're not.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:00', 'start_time': '8:58', 'text': \"There's a lot of insecurity also.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:01', 'start_time': '9:00', 'text': 'Loads of insecurity.'},\n {'end_time': '9:01', 'start_time': '9:01', 'text': 'Loads.'},\n {'end_time': '9:05', 'start_time': '9:01', 'text': 'But when you look at people doing psychedelics, you know, they do it at the right time.'},\n {'end_time': '9:07', 'start_time': '9:05', 'text': \"When there's sunset, they've aligned it with nature.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:09', 'start_time': '9:08', 'text': \"They've aligned it with a full moon.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:11', 'start_time': '9:09', 'text': \"They've aligned it with an ocean at the back.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:12', 'start_time': '9:11', 'text': 'You know, all of that stuff.'},\n {'end_time': '9:15', 'start_time': '9:13', 'text': 'So, you know, the research coming out, there are so many things.'},\n {'end_time': '9:17', 'start_time': '9:15', 'text': 'Even the snake bite poison.'},\n {'end_time': '9:19', 'start_time': '9:17', 'text': \"People believe there's a spiritual impact on that.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:26', 'start_time': '9:19', 'text': 'Like some people can take the poison of the snake and not die because their belief is that the snake poison will not kill them.'},\n {'end_time': '9:29', 'start_time': '9:26', 'text': 'But that same snake poison will kill the person who has doubt.'},\n {'end_time': '9:31', 'start_time': '9:29', 'text': 'The same thing with frogs.'},\n {'end_time': '9:35', 'start_time': '9:31', 'text': 'There are frogs in the Amazon that emit a certain poison, which is considered as a psychedelic.'},\n {'end_time': '9:37', 'start_time': '9:35', 'text': 'So these are good things to talk about.'},\n {'end_time': '9:42', 'start_time': '9:37', 'text': 'And I think as the world starts researching more and more into this, the biggest problem is how can you control it?'},\n {'end_time': '9:44', 'start_time': '9:42', 'text': 'Because it can become recreational, like you said.'},\n {'end_time': '9:45', 'start_time': '9:44', 'text': 'It can be misused.'},\n {'end_time': '9:48', 'start_time': '9:45', 'text': 'It can be, you know, used to do bad things and stuff like that.'},\n {'end_time': '9:52', 'start_time': '9:48', 'text': \"So So the way I perceive this whole game is that I feel there's 3 kinds of people.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:56', 'start_time': '9:52', 'text': 'The first are the ones who are very kind of consumed by society, by the media.'},\n {'end_time': '10:00', 'start_time': '9:56', 'text': \"They see and when they're hearing this conversation, they're already like, what are these guys talking about?\"},\n {'end_time': '10:01', 'start_time': '10:00', 'text': 'Like, oh my god.'},\n {'end_time': '10:01', 'start_time': '10:01', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '10:02', 'start_time': '10:01', 'text': \"And, that's fine.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:04', 'start_time': '10:02', 'text': \"Like, I understand that's your reality.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:08', 'start_time': '10:04', 'text': 'But I do believe that just open up your mind to what the world is moving towards.'},\n {'end_time': '10:08', 'start_time': '10:08', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '10:12', 'start_time': '10:08', 'text': \"That brings me to my second kind of person, which is the person who's curious.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:16', 'start_time': '10:12', 'text': 'I would kind of put you and me in that category about, I want to know more about this.'},\n {'end_time': '10:18', 'start_time': '10:16', 'text': 'This is what the world is moving towards.'},\n {'end_time': '10:18', 'start_time': '10:18', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '10:18', 'start_time': '10:18', 'text': 'Fine.'},\n {'end_time': '10:22', 'start_time': '10:18', 'text': 'This might have a dark side, but it definitely has a lot of bright sides as well.'},\n {'end_time': '10:25', 'start_time': '10:22', 'text': 'And it can benefit a lot of minds.'},\n {'end_time': '10:35', 'start_time': '10:25', 'text': \"And the 3rd category is someone who's very fascinated by psychedelics and then, you know, who might overdo it, who might get consumed by the whole process, probably do drugs that aren't even psychedelic.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:39', 'start_time': '10:35', 'text': 'You might get into like worst kind of drugs that actually harm your body.'},\n {'end_time': '10:45', 'start_time': '10:40', 'text': 'So, I personally really urge everyone listening to this to place themselves just for this conversation.'},\n {'end_time': '10:50', 'start_time': '10:45', 'text': 'In that second category of openness, knowledge, learning, just absorb this whole conversation.'},\n {'end_time': '10:51', 'start_time': '10:50', 'text': 'And right intention.'},\n {'end_time': '10:51', 'start_time': '10:51', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '10:54', 'start_time': '10:51', 'text': 'I think the 3rd category we must talk about that.'},\n {'end_time': '10:58', 'start_time': '10:54', 'text': \"Because you see, I mean, I've seen people doing psychedelics and alcohol at the same time.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:59', 'start_time': '10:58', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '11:01', 'start_time': '10:59', 'text': \"They scientifically don't go together.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:04', 'start_time': '11:01', 'text': \"You can't be drinking and you can't be on a psychedelic at the same time.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:06', 'start_time': '11:04', 'text': 'And you see these people get violent.'},\n {'end_time': '11:08', 'start_time': '11:06', 'text': 'They get they flip out and all of that stuff.'},\n {'end_time': '11:11', 'start_time': '11:08', 'text': \"Like I always say, if you're doing something, do it the right way.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:13', 'start_time': '11:11', 'text': \"If you're on a spiritual path, do it the right way.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:17', 'start_time': '11:13', 'text': \"Don't make it into a fad and just because everyone's chanting you start chanting mindlessly.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:18', 'start_time': '11:17', 'text': 'Find your own spiritual path.'},\n {'end_time': '11:21', 'start_time': '11:18', 'text': 'Most people find their spiritual paths off the path.'},\n {'end_time': '11:22', 'start_time': '11:21', 'text': 'You know what I mean?'},\n {'end_time': '11:24', 'start_time': '11:23', 'text': \"They're not on the path.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:24', 'start_time': '11:24', 'text': 'But they find it.'},\n {'end_time': '11:29', 'start_time': '11:24', 'text': \"They've embraced something like say, giving back or helping or kindness.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:30', 'start_time': '11:29', 'text': 'And they only work on that.'},\n {'end_time': '11:33', 'start_time': '11:30', 'text': 'They are far more spiritual than the people in churches, temples and mosques.'},\n {'end_time': '11:34', 'start_time': '11:33', 'text': 'It is like that.'},\n {'end_time': '11:35', 'start_time': '11:34', 'text': \"So we don't go chasing these things.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:39', 'start_time': '11:35', 'text': 'I always believe and they always say that the plant will find you.'},\n {'end_time': '11:40', 'start_time': '11:39', 'text': 'This is in most books.'},\n {'end_time': '11:41', 'start_time': '11:40', 'text': 'The plant will find you.'},\n {'end_time': '11:42', 'start_time': '11:41', 'text': \"You don't have to go searching for it.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:44', 'start_time': '11:42', 'text': 'I feel that it happened with Ayahuasca and me.'},\n {'end_time': '11:47', 'start_time': '11:45', 'text': 'So it was like the start of beer biceps.'},\n {'end_time': '11:49', 'start_time': '11:47', 'text': 'Tell me about your Ayahuasca experience.'},\n {'end_time': '11:54', 'start_time': '11:49', 'text': 'So it was the beginning of beer biceps and I was very nervous about where my career was going.'},\n {'end_time': '11:58', 'start_time': '11:54', 'text': \"Now for the previous whole year, which was my final year in engineering, I'd read about these plants.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:03', 'start_time': '11:58', 'text': \"I'd read the book and I'd read about Ayahuasca being the substance that actually changes the structure of your brain.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:06', 'start_time': '12:03', 'text': 'It realigns certain neural patterns in your brain.'},\n {'end_time': '12:13', 'start_time': '12:06', 'text': 'And I had also read that when you do Ayahuasca, you go through a negative phase as well.'},\n {'end_time': '12:14', 'start_time': '12:13', 'text': \"That's a part of your trip.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:16', 'start_time': '12:14', 'text': \"And I also read that it's not recreational.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:19', 'start_time': '12:16', 'text': 'You need to do it when you are at a cross roads in your life if you want answers.'},\n {'end_time': '12:21', 'start_time': '12:19', 'text': 'So I was just fascinated about that substance.'},\n {'end_time': '12:22', 'start_time': '12:21', 'text': 'I began beer biceps.'},\n {'end_time': '12:23', 'start_time': '12:22', 'text': 'I put out 4 or 5 videos.'},\n {'end_time': '12:26', 'start_time': '12:23', 'text': 'They did well, but I was still nervous about, okay, what am I doing in life?'},\n {'end_time': '12:28', 'start_time': '12:26', 'text': 'Because there was no YouTube culture back in the country then.'},\n {'end_time': '12:40', 'start_time': '12:29', 'text': \"So I put out 4 or 5 videos and my dad one day just comes up to me and he's like, listen, the family is going to Seychelles for this medical conference, but you can just tag along, come for your vacation and just take a break from your YouTube game.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:40', 'start_time': '12:40', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '12:41', 'start_time': '12:40', 'text': 'I was like, cool.'},\n {'end_time': '12:43', 'start_time': '12:41', 'text': 'Went to Seychelles with no intention.'},\n {'end_time': '12:54', 'start_time': '12:44', 'text': 'And the resort that we were in happened to have this one really interesting guy who was talking about economics and sport and you know, just like all these deep topics.'},\n {'end_time': '12:57', 'start_time': '12:54', 'text': 'And he casually mentioned the idea of shamans.'},\n {'end_time': '12:58', 'start_time': '12:57', 'text': 'And I read that, hold on.'},\n {'end_time': '13:02', 'start_time': '12:58', 'text': 'So shamans are these priests who conduct Ayahuasca ceremonies for people.'},\n {'end_time': '13:07', 'start_time': '13:02', 'text': \"And they say that you shouldn't do Ayahuasca unless you have a certified shaman with you because it can be a very intense experience.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:11', 'start_time': '13:08', 'text': 'So he said something about shamans, and I I stopped him right then.'},\n {'end_time': '13:11', 'start_time': '13:11', 'text': 'I was like, wait.'},\n {'end_time': '13:13', 'start_time': '13:11', 'text': 'Do you mean, like, the Ayahuasca shamans?'},\n {'end_time': '13:15', 'start_time': '13:14', 'text': \"And he's like, where have you heard that word?\"},\n {'end_time': '13:19', 'start_time': '13:15', 'text': 'So then I told him my perception of Ayahuasca where, you know, you have a negative trip.'},\n {'end_time': '13:22', 'start_time': '13:19', 'text': 'You have a bit of a scary experience and then it becomes positive.'},\n {'end_time': '13:25', 'start_time': '13:23', 'text': \"He told me that don't believe everything you read on the Internet.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:26', 'start_time': '13:25', 'text': \"It's not that.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:30', 'start_time': '13:26', 'text': 'And what if I tell you that I have Ayahuasca in my room, will you come and do it?'},\n {'end_time': '13:30', 'start_time': '13:30', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '13:33', 'start_time': '13:30', 'text': \"So first, I couldn't, like, believe what I was hearing.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:36', 'start_time': '13:33', 'text': 'And then, I I gave it some thought.'},\n {'end_time': '13:37', 'start_time': '13:36', 'text': 'And I was like, no.'},\n {'end_time': '13:37', 'start_time': '13:37', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '13:40', 'start_time': '13:37', 'text': \"I I won't do this because, you know, I don't want to get into drugs.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:41', 'start_time': '13:40', 'text': 'That was my thinking back.'},\n {'end_time': '13:43', 'start_time': '13:41', 'text': 'So then he broke it down for me.'},\n {'end_time': '13:47', 'start_time': '13:43', 'text': \"He told me how it's like a 50,000 year old practice and people in the Amazon have been doing it for that long.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:50', 'start_time': '13:47', 'text': 'And people do it when they are at crossroads in life.'},\n {'end_time': '13:51', 'start_time': '13:50', 'text': 'So I meditated over it.'},\n {'end_time': '13:55', 'start_time': '13:51', 'text': 'I had begun meditation by then and my meditation just cleared out my head.'},\n {'end_time': '13:57', 'start_time': '13:55', 'text': \"I was like, wait, I'm at a crossroads.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:59', 'start_time': '13:57', 'text': 'And I read this quote about how the plant finds you.'},\n {'end_time': '14:00', 'start_time': '13:59', 'text': \"You don't find the plant.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:06', 'start_time': '14:00', 'text': \"So I was like, if it's come like into my life in this way, it might mean something.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:07', 'start_time': '14:06', 'text': \"I'm young.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:08', 'start_time': '14:07', 'text': 'I need answers.'},\n {'end_time': '14:08', 'start_time': '14:08', 'text': 'Let me take a plunge.'},\n {'end_time': '14:11', 'start_time': '14:08', 'text': 'And I got up in the morning with the intention of doing it.'},\n {'end_time': '14:12', 'start_time': '14:11', 'text': 'I was like, okay.'},\n {'end_time': '14:14', 'start_time': '14:12', 'text': \"Let me just try what's the worst that can happen.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:15', 'start_time': '14:14', 'text': \"You're not gonna die.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:20', 'start_time': '14:15', 'text': \"And he also had mentioned to me that Ayahuasca will never put you through an experience that you can't handle.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:24', 'start_time': '14:20', 'text': 'So that night I did an Ayahuasca session.'},\n {'end_time': '14:27', 'start_time': '14:24', 'text': 'I did a ceremony with him in his hotel room.'},\n {'end_time': '14:32', 'start_time': '14:27', 'text': 'One of the most life changing experiences of my life because I came out a different person.'},\n {'end_time': '14:42', 'start_time': '14:32', 'text': 'I went into that ceremony asking one question which was what was the weapon that I needed for my life in order to just make my career very solid and, like, in order to take my career further.'},\n {'end_time': '14:44', 'start_time': '14:42', 'text': 'Everything in my life was about my career at that point.'},\n {'end_time': '14:46', 'start_time': '14:45', 'text': 'So, we took the drink.'},\n {'end_time': '14:49', 'start_time': '14:46', 'text': \"It's like this very bitter brew that you take.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:53', 'start_time': '14:49', 'text': 'So I drank it, waited for, like, say 20 minutes or so.'},\n {'end_time': '14:56', 'start_time': '14:53', 'text': 'And then everything around me started getting like a little wobbly.'},\n {'end_time': '14:58', 'start_time': '14:56', 'text': 'It started getting a little bit like jelly.'},\n {'end_time': '14:59', 'start_time': '14:58', 'text': \"And that's why I realized it's kicking.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:01', 'start_time': '14:59', 'text': \"And I told him that he's like, okay, close your eyes now.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:08', 'start_time': '15:01', 'text': \"So I closed my eyes and if I actually begin to elaborate about my whole Ayahuasca journey, that's another conversation.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:14', 'start_time': '15:08', 'text': \"But what I basically felt is, you know, when I'm talking to you and you're talking to me right now, I can feel another human here, another brother.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:16', 'start_time': '15:15', 'text': \"If you're with a woman, you can feel okay.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:17', 'start_time': '15:16', 'text': \"There's a girl here.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:20', 'start_time': '15:17', 'text': 'So in Ayahuasca, they say that you feel a feminine presence.'},\n {'end_time': '15:24', 'start_time': '15:21', 'text': 'And I did feel that, I felt like what they call mother Ayahuasca.'},\n {'end_time': '15:26', 'start_time': '15:25', 'text': 'Who guided me through the trip.'},\n {'end_time': '15:29', 'start_time': '15:26', 'text': \"And it was definitely in my mind it's psychedelic.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:33', 'start_time': '15:30', 'text': 'But I feel like she guided me throughout the entire experience.'},\n {'end_time': '15:39', 'start_time': '15:34', 'text': 'And at the same time I have like a certain version of God in my head.'},\n {'end_time': '15:42', 'start_time': '15:39', 'text': 'I perceive him as this old man who, you know, guides me.'},\n {'end_time': '15:44', 'start_time': '15:42', 'text': \"Like that's just my childhood perception of it.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:45', 'start_time': '15:44', 'text': 'And I felt that presence as well.'},\n {'end_time': '15:48', 'start_time': '15:45', 'text': 'And I felt like both the mother and the father like guided me through the trip.'},\n {'end_time': '15:50', 'start_time': '15:49', 'text': 'A lot of things I saw.'},\n {'end_time': '15:54', 'start_time': '15:50', 'text': 'I felt like I went back to I could go back to individual memories of my life.'},\n {'end_time': '15:57', 'start_time': '15:54', 'text': 'So I went back to the time my sister and me were kids and we were watching TV.'},\n {'end_time': '15:59', 'start_time': '15:58', 'text': 'And I saw the fights we had.'},\n {'end_time': '16:00', 'start_time': '16:00', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '16:01', 'start_time': '16:00', 'text': 'It becomes very vivid.'},\n {'end_time': '16:03', 'start_time': '16:01', 'text': 'Your childhood experiences come out very clearly.'},\n {'end_time': '16:04', 'start_time': '16:03', 'text': 'Very vivid.'},\n {'end_time': '16:08', 'start_time': '16:04', 'text': 'I I I went back to those little tips that I had with my parents, you know, and I realized, wait.'},\n {'end_time': '16:09', 'start_time': '16:08', 'text': 'I was being stupid.'},\n {'end_time': '16:10', 'start_time': '16:09', 'text': 'I was being a stupid teenager there.'},\n {'end_time': '16:12', 'start_time': '16:11', 'text': 'And you come back.'},\n {'end_time': '16:14', 'start_time': '16:12', 'text': 'So it it puts you through these experiences.'},\n {'end_time': '16:16', 'start_time': '16:14', 'text': 'You go through, like, these visuals.'},\n {'end_time': '16:18', 'start_time': '16:17', 'text': 'You also are able to see yourself.'},\n {'end_time': '16:20', 'start_time': '16:18', 'text': \"You're able to see your mind much more clearly.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:24', 'start_time': '16:20', 'text': \"It's like you're kind of going through a trip in your you're going through a car ride in your own mind.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:25', 'start_time': '16:24', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '16:36', 'start_time': '16:25', 'text': 'And then finally the final, kind of most important climax of the trip for me was that it I I imagine that the Ayahuasca took me and put me on the side of a highway.'},\n {'end_time': '16:36', 'start_time': '16:36', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '16:40', 'start_time': '16:37', 'text': 'And on one end, I could hear something coming from the horizon.'},\n {'end_time': '16:45', 'start_time': '16:41', 'text': \"So I I couldn't see what it was, but I could hear something very big coming from the horizon.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:51', 'start_time': '16:45', 'text': 'And before I knew it, this big fireball just like flew past me and went to the other horizon with like this huge noise.'},\n {'end_time': '16:54', 'start_time': '16:52', 'text': 'And I was like really taken aback by it.'},\n {'end_time': '16:57', 'start_time': '16:54', 'text': 'So I opened my eyes and I told my shaman this.'},\n {'end_time': '16:57', 'start_time': '16:57', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '16:58', 'start_time': '16:57', 'text': \"And he's like wait hold on.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:59', 'start_time': '16:58', 'text': 'Go back into your trip.'},\n {'end_time': '17:05', 'start_time': '16:59', 'text': 'So I closed my eyes again and then I asked the ayahuasca and I asked that father that what does this mean?'},\n {'end_time': '17:09', 'start_time': '17:05', 'text': 'So it said that this can be your career if you learn self belief.'},\n {'end_time': '17:11', 'start_time': '17:10', 'text': 'You have no self belief right now in life.'},\n {'end_time': '17:19', 'start_time': '17:12', 'text': 'So even if it means faking it, like fake self belief, but really believe that the path you are taking is the correct path.'},\n {'end_time': '17:28', 'start_time': '17:19', 'text': 'Which is exactly the question I had in my head at that point which is that am I doing the correct thing by quitting engineering, becoming a physical fitness trainer and doing this YouTube thing.'},\n {'end_time': '17:31', 'start_time': '17:29', 'text': 'And now we have an office full of 40 people.'},\n {'end_time': '17:35', 'start_time': '17:32', 'text': \"And that's come out of that one trip and I came out a different person.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:39', 'start_time': '17:35', 'text': 'So they say that, Ayahuasca changes you for life.'},\n {'end_time': '17:42', 'start_time': '17:39', 'text': \"I don't think I'll end up doing it again and I'll tell you why.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:45', 'start_time': '17:42', 'text': \"Because I feel like the science of Ayahuasca is that it's DMT.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:46', 'start_time': '17:45', 'text': \"That's the active substance.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:47', 'start_time': '17:46', 'text': 'Dimethyltryptamine.'},\n {'end_time': '17:48', 'start_time': '17:48', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '17:52', 'start_time': '17:48', 'text': 'So DMT is released and I also believe that DMT can be released through intense meditations.'},\n {'end_time': '17:54', 'start_time': '17:52', 'text': \"And right now I'm deep in the spirituality.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:54', 'start_time': '17:54', 'text': \"I'm deep in the meditation.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:57', 'start_time': '17:54', 'text': 'And I feel like I can get an Ayahuasca trip every night.'},\n {'end_time': '17:59', 'start_time': '17:57', 'text': 'Like through my 2 hour long meditation.'},\n {'end_time': '17:59', 'start_time': '17:59', 'text': \"Oh, you're very right there.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:04', 'start_time': '17:59', 'text': 'Because see, the very fact is anything that makes you high means you need to have that receptor.'},\n {'end_time': '18:04', 'start_time': '18:04', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '18:04', 'start_time': '18:04', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '18:08', 'start_time': '18:04', 'text': 'So when you smoke marijuana or you smoke hash, why does it make you high?'},\n {'end_time': '18:09', 'start_time': '18:08', 'text': 'Because we have an opioid receptor now.'},\n {'end_time': '18:11', 'start_time': '18:09', 'text': \"If we didn't have the receptor, we wouldn't get high.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:15', 'start_time': '18:11', 'text': \"So if I'm gonna eat celery, celery is not making me high because I don't have that receptor.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:15', 'start_time': '18:15', 'text': '100%.'},\n {'end_time': '18:21', 'start_time': '18:15', 'text': 'If we have the receptor, that means we have the ability to create the same chemicals in our mind.'},\n {'end_time': '18:25', 'start_time': '18:22', 'text': 'And deep meditation produces the bliss molecule.'},\n {'end_time': '18:25', 'start_time': '18:25', 'text': 'Exactly.'},\n {'end_time': '18:28', 'start_time': '18:25', 'text': \"And that's why you don't have to do psychedelics after a while.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:29', 'start_time': '18:28', 'text': \"You don't have to do it.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:31', 'start_time': '18:29', 'text': 'Some people find it in life.'},\n {'end_time': '18:31', 'start_time': '18:31', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '18:33', 'start_time': '18:31', 'text': 'Some people use a psychedelic as a stepping stone.'},\n {'end_time': '18:37', 'start_time': '18:33', 'text': 'And then you have the 3rd category of people who will use it just to be cool.'},\n {'end_time': '18:37', 'start_time': '18:37', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '18:38', 'start_time': '18:37', 'text': '100%.'},\n {'end_time': '18:39', 'start_time': '18:38', 'text': 'So what about you?'},\n {'end_time': '18:40', 'start_time': '18:39', 'text': 'Like have you had an Ayahuasca experience?'},\n {'end_time': '18:40', 'start_time': '18:40', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '18:44', 'start_time': '18:40', 'text': 'I did an Ayahuasca trip way way I think I was really young.'},\n {'end_time': '18:45', 'start_time': '18:44', 'text': 'Maybe in my twenties I think.'},\n {'end_time': '18:48', 'start_time': '18:46', 'text': 'And, I did it again with the right intention.'},\n {'end_time': '18:51', 'start_time': '18:48', 'text': \"I wanted to understand what's deeper in my life at that point.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:53', 'start_time': '18:52', 'text': 'That point I had no idea what I was gonna do.'},\n {'end_time': '18:54', 'start_time': '18:53', 'text': 'Life was good.'},\n {'end_time': '18:57', 'start_time': '18:54', 'text': 'I had no problems, no negativity, none of that stuff.'},\n {'end_time': '18:57', 'start_time': '18:57', 'text': 'I just did it.'},\n {'end_time': '19:00', 'start_time': '18:57', 'text': 'It was part of a whole Amazon adventure kind of a thing.'},\n {'end_time': '19:08', 'start_time': '19:00', 'text': \"But when, when I finished the trip, the shaman sat with me and he just said, you know, you've not lived enough of life to be here.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:09', 'start_time': '19:08', 'text': 'Come back later.'},\n {'end_time': '19:12', 'start_time': '19:09', 'text': \"Like you said, the cross when you're at the crossroad in your life.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:13', 'start_time': '19:12', 'text': \"He said, it's great.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:13', 'start_time': '19:13', 'text': 'Go ahead.'},\n {'end_time': '19:17', 'start_time': '19:13', 'text': \"You know, whatever path you're on, follow the path, but right intention.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:19', 'start_time': '19:17', 'text': 'I learned right intention from the shaman.'},\n {'end_time': '19:21', 'start_time': '19:19', 'text': 'And today everything we do is with the right intention.'},\n {'end_time': '19:23', 'start_time': '19:21', 'text': 'See no matter what, we will make mistakes.'},\n {'end_time': '19:25', 'start_time': '19:23', 'text': 'Everyone out here will make mistakes.'},\n {'end_time': '19:26', 'start_time': '19:25', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '19:27', 'start_time': '19:26', 'text': \"We'll make grave mistakes sometimes.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:28', 'start_time': '19:27', 'text': 'But what was your intention?'},\n {'end_time': '19:33', 'start_time': '19:28', 'text': 'When your intention is to manipulate evil, cheat, all of that stuff.'},\n {'end_time': '19:38', 'start_time': '19:33', 'text': \"Sometimes we may make a mistake that may result in like we've hurt someone, betrayed someone or whatever.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:41', 'start_time': '19:38', 'text': 'But as long as the intention was clean and right, it is not going to affect you.'},\n {'end_time': '19:44', 'start_time': '19:41', 'text': \"But when the intention is wrong, and that's what I learned from them.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:45', 'start_time': '19:44', 'text': 'Intention is everything.'},\n {'end_time': '19:49', 'start_time': '19:46', 'text': 'My intention to eat an animal is example.'},\n {'end_time': '19:50', 'start_time': '19:49', 'text': 'This is what the shaman said.'},\n {'end_time': '19:50', 'start_time': '19:50', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '19:51', 'start_time': '19:50', 'text': 'We hunt animals.'},\n {'end_time': '19:52', 'start_time': '19:51', 'text': 'We kill animals.'},\n {'end_time': '19:53', 'start_time': '19:52', 'text': \"They're spiritual beings.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:54', 'start_time': '19:53', 'text': 'We should not kill them.'},\n {'end_time': '19:56', 'start_time': '19:54', 'text': 'Our intention is we need food.'},\n {'end_time': '19:58', 'start_time': '19:56', 'text': 'This goes back to the ages where there were no groceries.'},\n {'end_time': '20:00', 'start_time': '19:58', 'text': 'There were no whole foods and none of that stuff.'},\n {'end_time': '20:02', 'start_time': '20:00', 'text': 'So they killed with the right intention.'},\n {'end_time': '20:04', 'start_time': '20:02', 'text': 'Today people are doing everything with the wrong intention.'},\n {'end_time': '20:08', 'start_time': '20:05', 'text': 'And that is why whether you are on a psychedelic or not and stuff like that.'},\n {'end_time': '20:11', 'start_time': '20:08', 'text': 'A lot of people judge people who are on psychedelics.'},\n {'end_time': '20:15', 'start_time': '20:11', 'text': 'And I would see this whole community in Goa judging the hippies.'},\n {'end_time': '20:17', 'start_time': '20:15', 'text': 'There was zero crime from the hippies.'},\n {'end_time': '20:20', 'start_time': '20:17', 'text': 'There was zero you know, child abuse from hippies.'},\n {'end_time': '20:26', 'start_time': '20:20', 'text': 'All the child abuse came from people who are educated, who are, you know, have a lot of money.'},\n {'end_time': '20:28', 'start_time': '20:27', 'text': 'All of the bad stuff happened with them.'},\n {'end_time': '20:31', 'start_time': '20:28', 'text': 'And I was like, who are you to judge anyone?'},\n {'end_time': '20:37', 'start_time': '20:31', 'text': 'Some of the people who are more spiritual and praying every day and doing poojas and in churches and stuff have the dirtiest hearts.'},\n {'end_time': '20:39', 'start_time': '20:37', 'text': \"So you can't judge anyone.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:42', 'start_time': '20:39', 'text': 'It all comes down to intention, intention, intention and intention.'},\n {'end_time': '20:44', 'start_time': '20:42', 'text': 'So they say a psychedelic works with the right intention.'},\n {'end_time': '20:45', 'start_time': '20:44', 'text': \"It's like that.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:49', 'start_time': '20:45', 'text': 'I have loads of friends left back in Goa today who have flipped out completely.'},\n {'end_time': '20:51', 'start_time': '20:49', 'text': 'They did it with the wrong intention.'},\n {'end_time': '20:54', 'start_time': '20:51', 'text': 'And I have loads of people who have become business tycoons.'},\n {'end_time': '20:55', 'start_time': '20:54', 'text': \"They're billionaires.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:58', 'start_time': '20:55', 'text': \"They've experimented with psychedelics.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:01', 'start_time': '20:58', 'text': 'I mean, Steve Jobs writes about it in his own book for creativity.'},\n {'end_time': '21:02', 'start_time': '21:01', 'text': 'He would come down to India.'},\n {'end_time': '21:03', 'start_time': '21:02', 'text': 'He would go to Rishikesh.'},\n {'end_time': '21:06', 'start_time': '21:04', 'text': 'He would use LSD and he would go back.'},\n {'end_time': '21:07', 'start_time': '21:06', 'text': \"What's big in Silicon Valley today?\"},\n {'end_time': '21:09', 'start_time': '21:07', 'text': 'People are microdosing on LSD.'},\n {'end_time': '21:18', 'start_time': '21:09', 'text': 'Microdosing means you take such a little you you take small microdots, which means you can go to work, but you can create, you can talk, you can be in meetings.'},\n {'end_time': '21:20', 'start_time': '21:18', 'text': \"You're not like completely like you're on a psychedelic trip.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:21', 'start_time': '21:20', 'text': \"It's called microdosing.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:21', 'start_time': '21:21', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '21:23', 'start_time': '21:21', 'text': \"It's become a new trend in Silicon Valley.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:24', 'start_time': '21:23', 'text': \"Am I saying it's the right thing?\"},\n {'end_time': '21:27', 'start_time': '21:24', 'text': 'I think Silicon Valley is more of a fad with everything.'},\n {'end_time': '21:30', 'start_time': '21:27', 'text': 'It comes and it goes done with the right intention.'},\n {'end_time': '21:33', 'start_time': '21:30', 'text': 'People create music out of their psychedelic trips.'},\n {'end_time': '21:35', 'start_time': '21:33', 'text': 'What happens in an LSD trip and an acid trip?'},\n {'end_time': '21:40', 'start_time': '21:36', 'text': \"So what I've heard from most people and I've I've experienced it once, it's very spiritual.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:42', 'start_time': '21:40', 'text': 'I mean, the first time I did it, it opened my my mind completely.'},\n {'end_time': '21:43', 'start_time': '21:42', 'text': 'I saw life differently.'},\n {'end_time': '21:46', 'start_time': '21:44', 'text': 'Completely, completely differently.'},\n {'end_time': '21:51', 'start_time': '21:46', 'text': \"You know, when you do these things, you know, it's not like you're gonna hit on a girl and pick up a girl and you don't want to.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:53', 'start_time': '21:51', 'text': 'In fact, you wanna be away from people.'},\n {'end_time': '21:55', 'start_time': '21:53', 'text': 'You wanna be in your own space and stuff like that.'},\n {'end_time': '21:57', 'start_time': '21:55', 'text': 'You feel like connecting with yourself.'},\n {'end_time': '21:59', 'start_time': '21:57', 'text': 'I had a lot of my childhood memories come up.'},\n {'end_time': '22:05', 'start_time': '21:59', 'text': 'I could remember vivid conversations at a very young age, which now if you ask me to recall, I would not be able to do that.'},\n {'end_time': '22:07', 'start_time': '22:05', 'text': 'But I speak to a lot of people.'},\n {'end_time': '22:13', 'start_time': '22:07', 'text': \"I have some top jewelers who before they create their design, they've done an LSD trip.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:23', 'start_time': '22:13', 'text': 'People in the music industry, you know, people who create animated cartoons, who create films, documentaries, not everyone, but everyone finds a different source of inspiration.'},\n {'end_time': '22:26', 'start_time': '22:23', 'text': 'And if you channel it the right way, it it is only gonna result in something great.'},\n {'end_time': '22:30', 'start_time': '22:26', 'text': \"You channel it the wrong way, it's gonna destroy your life and the people around you.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:31', 'start_time': '22:30', 'text': \"It's like that.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:34', 'start_time': '22:31', 'text': 'But like what actually happens in your brain on a biological level with electricity?'},\n {'end_time': '22:35', 'start_time': '22:34', 'text': 'It fires up your neurons.'},\n {'end_time': '22:36', 'start_time': '22:35', 'text': \"It's like an electric circuit.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:41', 'start_time': '22:36', 'text': 'Just think of an electric circuit which is firing like a 1000 times more than normal.'},\n {'end_time': '22:44', 'start_time': '22:42', 'text': 'So all electric surges moving through your brain.'},\n {'end_time': '22:46', 'start_time': '22:44', 'text': \"And that's why you have psychedelic trance.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:50', 'start_time': '22:46', 'text': 'The trance basically, you know, moves and guides your high right into a whole journey.'},\n {'end_time': '22:53', 'start_time': '22:50', 'text': 'So you have like sunset music, then it gets darker.'},\n {'end_time': '22:56', 'start_time': '22:53', 'text': 'Then you have night, then you get the morning trance and then you have chill out.'},\n {'end_time': '22:58', 'start_time': '22:56', 'text': \"So it's like a whole journey.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:02', 'start_time': '22:58', 'text': 'You go to a club, your music is dependent on how much alcohol is selling and how drunk people are.'},\n {'end_time': '23:04', 'start_time': '23:02', 'text': \"Music ends and, you know, that's it.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:05', 'start_time': '23:04', 'text': 'So everything is a journey.'},\n {'end_time': '23:08', 'start_time': '23:05', 'text': \"And like I said, we're not here to tell people to go and do it.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:17', 'start_time': '23:08', 'text': 'But we have to be open to the fact that, you know, a lot of drugs that people take, pharmaceutical drugs already have built in psychoactive.'},\n {'end_time': '23:23', 'start_time': '23:17', 'text': \"So don't try to fool yourself by condemning a whole new, you know, possible field of medicine.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:25', 'start_time': '23:23', 'text': \"You know, no one is saying take psychedelic and don't listen to your doctors.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:27', 'start_time': '23:25', 'text': 'No one is saying take psychedelics and drop your meds.'},\n {'end_time': '23:28', 'start_time': '23:27', 'text': 'No one is saying that.'},\n {'end_time': '23:39', 'start_time': '23:28', 'text': \"But a lot of your psychoactive or a lot of your depression medication that you're taking, your mood elevators, your sleep medication, They have some of the same constituents that natural plant.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:40', 'start_time': '23:39', 'text': 'They come from plants.'},\n {'end_time': '23:41', 'start_time': '23:40', 'text': 'Psychedelic plants.'},\n {'end_time': '23:41', 'start_time': '23:41', 'text': 'Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '23:42', 'start_time': '23:41', 'text': 'We should be open to it.'},\n {'end_time': '23:44', 'start_time': '23:42', 'text': 'Even the medical marijuana thing, you know.'},\n {'end_time': '23:48', 'start_time': '23:44', 'text': \"Now it's stupid if you're gonna say, hey, medical marijuana is gonna take away my cancer.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:48', 'start_time': '23:48', 'text': \"No, it's not.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:50', 'start_time': '23:49', 'text': 'Absolutely not.'},\n {'end_time': '23:50', 'start_time': '23:50', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '23:55', 'start_time': '23:50', 'text': 'There is research showing how it can boost the immune system and work with your stem cell regeneration.'},\n {'end_time': '23:59', 'start_time': '23:55', 'text': \"But you can't make a claim so everyone starts doing medical marijuana saying it's gonna take away my cancer.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:00', 'start_time': '23:59', 'text': \"That's stupidity.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:01', 'start_time': '24:00', 'text': 'It plays a role.'},\n {'end_time': '24:03', 'start_time': '24:01', 'text': 'It possibly plays a role.'},\n {'end_time': '24:04', 'start_time': '24:03', 'text': \"It's still being researched.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:05', 'start_time': '24:04', 'text': 'Takes away pain definitely.'},\n {'end_time': '24:11', 'start_time': '24:05', 'text': \"In a bone cancer, you get the right cannabis oil, it's gonna take away your pain, which is fantastic because it's not gonna damage your kidney.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:13', 'start_time': '24:11', 'text': 'But again, it needs to be supervised.'},\n {'end_time': '24:15', 'start_time': '24:13', 'text': 'It needs to be done the right way, the right quality.'},\n {'end_time': '24:20', 'start_time': '24:15', 'text': \"The THC has to be that's a tetrahydrocannabinol that does the action of taking away pain.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:22', 'start_time': '24:20', 'text': \"Everyone's running after CBD oil.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:23', 'start_time': '24:22', 'text': 'CBD oil.'},\n {'end_time': '24:26', 'start_time': '24:23', 'text': \"Half of them don't even understand how it's working in their system.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:28', 'start_time': '24:26', 'text': \"But they're doing it because everyone's doing it.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:33', 'start_time': '24:28', 'text': \"So what is what is like the medical field's perception of psychedelics, of marijuana, things like that?\"},\n {'end_time': '24:34', 'start_time': '24:33', 'text': \"What's happening there right now?\"},\n {'end_time': '24:36', 'start_time': '24:34', 'text': \"See, it's always gonna be controlled.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:38', 'start_time': '24:36', 'text': \"It's always gonna be controlled for the right reasons.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:41', 'start_time': '24:38', 'text': 'Because I think the biggest thing is if it gets out of control.'},\n {'end_time': '24:41', 'start_time': '24:41', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '24:47', 'start_time': '24:41', 'text': \"If it gets out of control, you're gonna have people who are on psychedelics and drugs and all of that stuff.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:49', 'start_time': '24:47', 'text': 'Driving, doing different things.'},\n {'end_time': '24:51', 'start_time': '24:49', 'text': \"So that's why it comes under a controlled substance.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:57', 'start_time': '24:51', 'text': \"And of course, there's a lot of political controversy about why certain governments are legalizing it and why some are not.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:02', 'start_time': '24:57', 'text': \"If you look at, I mean, Amsterdam and stuff where it's legal, I mean, you never hear of a rape happening in Amsterdam.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:07', 'start_time': '25:02', 'text': \"You never hear of that kind of, you know, crime that happens in a place where it's controlled.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:08', 'start_time': '25:07', 'text': \"So it's a controversial subject.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:12', 'start_time': '25:08', 'text': \"And I'm sure there's a lot more that people have before it really goes.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:21', 'start_time': '25:12', 'text': \"But in the states where it's kind of legalized and all, I mean, the statistics show that crime rate has fallen right to the bottom right there because it's no longer controlled and people are misusing it as well.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:26', 'start_time': '25:21', 'text': 'Because suddenly something which is legal, you know, if you, if you like people, human beings want to break rules.'},\n {'end_time': '25:29', 'start_time': '25:26', 'text': 'So the stronger the rule, the more the human man wants to break it.'},\n {'end_time': '25:32', 'start_time': '25:29', 'text': 'So something which was condemned completely and now is out in the open.'},\n {'end_time': '25:35', 'start_time': '25:32', 'text': 'People have to learn how to behave around it, you know.'},\n {'end_time': '25:41', 'start_time': '25:35', 'text': \"So I've seen it destroy people's lives and I've seen it like elevate people out of the wrong company.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:42', 'start_time': '25:41', 'text': \"I'm talking about psychedelics.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:43', 'start_time': '25:42', 'text': \"I'm talking about marijuana and all of these things.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:45', 'start_time': '25:43', 'text': \"How does it destroy people's lives?\"},\n {'end_time': '25:45', 'start_time': '25:45', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '25:46', 'start_time': '25:45', 'text': 'I mean, you get addicted to it.'},\n {'end_time': '25:48', 'start_time': '25:46', 'text': 'You start using it as a coping mechanism.'},\n {'end_time': '25:51', 'start_time': '25:48', 'text': \"You start using it because you don't have a good childhood at home.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:52', 'start_time': '25:51', 'text': 'Your parents are fighting all the time.'},\n {'end_time': '25:54', 'start_time': '25:52', 'text': 'You look for peace outside.'},\n {'end_time': '25:56', 'start_time': '25:54', 'text': \"So you know, when parents condemn their children and say, oh, don't do this.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:02', 'start_time': '25:56', 'text': 'You know, a lot of parents whose kids are on drugs, the parents have to understand they are possibly on drugs.'},\n {'end_time': '26:03', 'start_time': '26:02', 'text': '1 is bad company for sure.'},\n {'end_time': '26:06', 'start_time': '26:03', 'text': \"If it's not bad company, it's the environment you've created at home.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:09', 'start_time': '26:06', 'text': 'Most of the kids I counsel are saying, listen, I have no peace at home.'},\n {'end_time': '26:10', 'start_time': '26:09', 'text': 'My parents are always fighting.'},\n {'end_time': '26:12', 'start_time': '26:10', 'text': 'They are always whatever and stuff like that.'},\n {'end_time': '26:13', 'start_time': '26:12', 'text': 'I need my peace.'},\n {'end_time': '26:14', 'start_time': '26:13', 'text': 'They turn to alcohol.'},\n {'end_time': '26:15', 'start_time': '26:14', 'text': 'They turn to drugs.'},\n {'end_time': '26:21', 'start_time': '26:15', 'text': 'So we all play a huge role in creating the right environment for our youth, our teenagers, and all of that stuff.'},\n {'end_time': '26:26', 'start_time': '26:21', 'text': \"So like I said, in colleges and stuff, if it is the cool factor that, oh, you're cool if you're seen with a joint.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:28', 'start_time': '26:26', 'text': \"That's the wrong intention to do it.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:29', 'start_time': '26:28', 'text': \"That's the wrong intention to do it.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:32', 'start_time': '26:29', 'text': \"It's gonna destroy you because the cooler you wanna get means you gotta do more of it.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:32', 'start_time': '26:32', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '26:35', 'start_time': '26:32', 'text': \"What does marijuana do for a human being's mind?\"},\n {'end_time': '26:37', 'start_time': '26:35', 'text': 'See, in most cases, it actually slows it down.'},\n {'end_time': '26:38', 'start_time': '26:37', 'text': 'It may make you calm.'},\n {'end_time': '26:42', 'start_time': '26:38', 'text': 'It may change your behavior completely, but it slows down your sales.'},\n {'end_time': '26:42', 'start_time': '26:42', 'text': 'In the long term.'},\n {'end_time': '26:44', 'start_time': '26:42', 'text': 'In the long term, it slows down your sales.'},\n {'end_time': '26:48', 'start_time': '26:44', 'text': \"Now for some people, it may be great if they're not ambitious about their careers.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:51', 'start_time': '26:48', 'text': \"If they're happy, just doing what they do, like a simple job.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:54', 'start_time': '26:51', 'text': 'But people who want to be creative and move on if it slows you down.'},\n {'end_time': '26:56', 'start_time': '26:54', 'text': \"Like I said, it's different.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:59', 'start_time': '26:56', 'text': 'People who need to create music, movies, all of that stuff.'},\n {'end_time': '27:00', 'start_time': '26:59', 'text': 'They use it.'},\n {'end_time': '27:01', 'start_time': '27:00', 'text': 'We all know that.'},\n {'end_time': '27:01', 'start_time': '27:01', 'text': \"They're open about it.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:02', 'start_time': '27:01', 'text': 'They use it.'},\n {'end_time': '27:06', 'start_time': '27:02', 'text': 'But a simple person moving into their careers and stuff it can destroy you.'},\n {'end_time': '27:10', 'start_time': '27:06', 'text': \"Because it puts you on a path which is defined by the drug you're taking, not by what you really want.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:11', 'start_time': '27:10', 'text': \"Because you're confused.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:12', 'start_time': '27:11', 'text': 'It distorts your mind.'},\n {'end_time': '27:14', 'start_time': '27:12', 'text': 'So you you wanna be really, really careful about this.'},\n {'end_time': '27:16', 'start_time': '27:14', 'text': 'And like I said, it should come naturally.'},\n {'end_time': '27:20', 'start_time': '27:16', 'text': 'You should not be pulled into it because you have to do it to be cool.'},\n {'end_time': '27:22', 'start_time': '27:20', 'text': 'You know, everything comes to you and you are meant to do it.'},\n {'end_time': '27:24', 'start_time': '27:22', 'text': 'You will do it no matter what.'},\n {'end_time': '27:25', 'start_time': '27:24', 'text': \"It'll come to you.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:25', 'start_time': '27:25', 'text': 'No matter what.'},\n {'end_time': '27:26', 'start_time': '27:25', 'text': 'The plants will find you.'},\n {'end_time': '27:27', 'start_time': '27:26', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '27:27', 'start_time': '27:27', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '27:35', 'start_time': '27:27', 'text': 'My final segment in this podcast is shrooms, mushrooms, like peyote or, you know, the shrooms you hear about people taking in Silicon Valley.'},\n {'end_time': '27:37', 'start_time': '27:35', 'text': 'So one, what happens in that trip?'},\n {'end_time': '27:39', 'start_time': '27:37', 'text': 'Is it very similar to Ayahuasca?'},\n {'end_time': '27:40', 'start_time': '27:39', 'text': 'Is it something like that?'},\n {'end_time': '27:40', 'start_time': '27:40', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '27:41', 'start_time': '27:40', 'text': \"It's completely different.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:48', 'start_time': '27:41', 'text': 'Again, see, I mean, psilocybin is basically, is basically the psychedelic in a mushroom that, you know, makes you high.'},\n {'end_time': '27:50', 'start_time': '27:48', 'text': 'Makes you see colors and bubbles and all of that.'},\n {'end_time': '27:52', 'start_time': '27:50', 'text': 'So everyone, sees it differently.'},\n {'end_time': '27:54', 'start_time': '27:52', 'text': 'Some people just like to chill, no music.'},\n {'end_time': '27:56', 'start_time': '27:54', 'text': 'Some people can laugh, they need company around.'},\n {'end_time': '28:00', 'start_time': '27:56', 'text': \"I mean, it's different for everyone in whatever I've read from different case studies of people.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:02', 'start_time': '28:00', 'text': 'You go up to certain hill stations in India where it grows.'},\n {'end_time': '28:04', 'start_time': '28:02', 'text': 'You see the cows eating it.'},\n {'end_time': '28:05', 'start_time': '28:04', 'text': 'Any animals eating it.'},\n {'end_time': '28:08', 'start_time': '28:05', 'text': \"They're not like acting crazy and stuff like that.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:09', 'start_time': '28:08', 'text': \"You know, it's grown.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:09', 'start_time': '28:09', 'text': \"There's a reason.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:11', 'start_time': '28:09', 'text': \"It's not gonna kill you at the same time.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:12', 'start_time': '28:11', 'text': 'It can move you off your path.'},\n {'end_time': '28:19', 'start_time': '28:12', 'text': \"So if you're really depressed, you're going through a bad phase in your life, and suddenly you take something like a psychedelic that makes you feel so great.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:24', 'start_time': '28:19', 'text': 'The issue is if you use that to get you through life, it builds addiction.'},\n {'end_time': '28:26', 'start_time': '28:25', 'text': 'It builds addiction.'},\n {'end_time': '28:27', 'start_time': '28:26', 'text': \"It's as simple as that, you know.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:35', 'start_time': '28:27', 'text': \"But they are again, there's a lot of research on psilocybin how they're trying to extract psilocybin and use it in certain medical therapies.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:36', 'start_time': '28:35', 'text': 'Again, across the world.'},\n {'end_time': '28:40', 'start_time': '28:36', 'text': 'Because when you go back decades decades, this is what people used.'},\n {'end_time': '28:42', 'start_time': '28:41', 'text': 'This is what people used, you know.'},\n {'end_time': '28:45', 'start_time': '28:42', 'text': 'And they figured it out because they had so much more intuition than us.'},\n {'end_time': '28:46', 'start_time': '28:45', 'text': 'More intuition and more wisdom.'},\n {'end_time': '28:47', 'start_time': '28:46', 'text': 'We have more knowledge.'},\n {'end_time': '28:48', 'start_time': '28:48', 'text': 'We have more opinions.'},\n {'end_time': '28:50', 'start_time': '28:48', 'text': 'We have more so called research.'},\n {'end_time': '28:53', 'start_time': '28:50', 'text': \"I'm not against research, but everyone hides behind research.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:53', 'start_time': '28:53', 'text': '100%.'},\n {'end_time': '28:57', 'start_time': '28:53', 'text': \"And you'll find that most of the people who have discovered these psychedelics are scientists.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:03', 'start_time': '28:58', 'text': 'When their process of their daily work realized there was something like Hoffman.'},\n {'end_time': '29:05', 'start_time': '29:04', 'text': 'Hoffman discovered LSD.'},\n {'end_time': '29:06', 'start_time': '29:05', 'text': 'He was a scientist.'},\n {'end_time': '29:09', 'start_time': '29:06', 'text': 'He used it on himself and he realized what it could do.'},\n {'end_time': '29:11', 'start_time': '29:09', 'text': 'And he also realized how it could destroy people.'},\n {'end_time': '29:12', 'start_time': '29:11', 'text': \"So there's always a balance in everything.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:13', 'start_time': '29:12', 'text': \"I think that's what you do.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:18', 'start_time': '29:13', 'text': \"So what's like the final advice you have for like a young person watching this who's very fascinated by this world?\"},\n {'end_time': '29:21', 'start_time': '29:19', 'text': 'Just like your final advice.'},\n {'end_time': '29:26', 'start_time': '29:21', 'text': \"See I think you know I'm I'm no one to give advice because people are gonna explore whether they want to or not.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:28', 'start_time': '29:26', 'text': \"Whatever you're gonna explore in life, it doesn't have to be psychedelics.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:31', 'start_time': '29:29', 'text': 'Everyone will want to explore something at some time.'},\n {'end_time': '29:37', 'start_time': '29:31', 'text': \"If you're doing it, do it with the right intention, on the right path, within the framework of your law, and everything else.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:42', 'start_time': '29:37', 'text': \"That's the way, you know, you do it Because I think we have to respect that path that people may want to take.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:47', 'start_time': '29:42', 'text': \"Like I'll tell you most of the parents who try to safeguard their kids from drugs throughout their life.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:49', 'start_time': '29:47', 'text': 'They like keep a check on everything.'},\n {'end_time': '29:51', 'start_time': '29:49', 'text': 'Those are the kids that are doing the most drugs.'},\n {'end_time': '29:54', 'start_time': '29:52', 'text': \"You know, it's sad, but it's the truth.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:55', 'start_time': '29:54', 'text': 'So sometimes you gotta allow freedom.'},\n {'end_time': '29:59', 'start_time': '29:55', 'text': 'You know, like I always say, once a child is born, the cord is cut.'},\n {'end_time': '30:01', 'start_time': '29:59', 'text': 'Your child has his own life.'},\n {'end_time': '30:02', 'start_time': '30:01', 'text': 'You are the parent.'},\n {'end_time': '30:07', 'start_time': '30:02', 'text': \"You have to nurture them, give them security, But you can't control their dreams.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:09', 'start_time': '30:07', 'text': \"You can't control how they're gonna go.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:11', 'start_time': '30:09', 'text': 'They will go the way that their path is defined.'},\n {'end_time': '30:15', 'start_time': '30:11', 'text': 'So when parents are open to that, these are the kids who are more honest with their parents.'},\n {'end_time': '30:16', 'start_time': '30:15', 'text': 'They share.'},\n {'end_time': '30:17', 'start_time': '30:16', 'text': 'They do.'},\n {'end_time': '30:19', 'start_time': '30:17', 'text': 'Parents are involved and all of these things.'},\n {'end_time': '30:23', 'start_time': '30:19', 'text': 'Like a normal hippie scene in Goa, like the parents are doing stuff in front of their kids.'},\n {'end_time': '30:26', 'start_time': '30:23', 'text': \"So the kids don't grow up seeing it as something which is taboo.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:29', 'start_time': '30:26', 'text': 'In India, anything which is taboo, you want to do it more.'},\n {'end_time': '30:30', 'start_time': '30:29', 'text': 'You know, you want to do it more.'},\n {'end_time': '30:32', 'start_time': '30:30', 'text': 'You want to do all of that stuff.'},\n {'end_time': '30:33', 'start_time': '30:32', 'text': 'So I think we gotta relax with that.'},\n {'end_time': '30:37', 'start_time': '30:33', 'text': \"Like I said, as long as we're within the framework of the law, we're not harming ourselves.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:39', 'start_time': '30:37', 'text': \"We're not harming other people.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:39', 'start_time': '30:39', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '30:42', 'start_time': '30:39', 'text': \"And you know, we're not doing anything which is basically illegal.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:43', 'start_time': '30:42', 'text': '100%.'},\n {'end_time': '30:47', 'start_time': '30:43', 'text': \"I feel this with these kind of off the center topics or whatever it's called.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:48', 'start_time': '30:47', 'text': 'Just be open to it.'},\n {'end_time': '30:49', 'start_time': '30:48', 'text': 'Be open to learning about it.'},\n {'end_time': '30:50', 'start_time': '30:49', 'text': 'Use it safely.'},\n {'end_time': '30:52', 'start_time': '30:51', 'text': \"Don't get obsessed by the world.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:54', 'start_time': '30:52', 'text': \"That's like another aspect of it.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:55', 'start_time': '30:54', 'text': 'And yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '30:58', 'start_time': '30:55', 'text': 'Just keep listening to the Ranbir show for interesting conversations like this.'},\n {'end_time': '30:59', 'start_time': '30:58', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '31:00', 'start_time': '30:59', 'text': 'You must do that.'},\n {'end_time': '31:01', 'start_time': '31:00', 'text': 'And thank you, Luke, again.'},\n {'end_time': '31:02', 'start_time': '31:01', 'text': 'This is a beautiful conversation.'},\n {'end_time': '31:05', 'start_time': '31:03', 'text': \"I'm gonna be linking all of Luke's handles down below.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:06', 'start_time': '31:05', 'text': 'Make sure you go follow him every year.'},\n {'end_time': '31:10', 'start_time': '31:06', 'text': \"One of the most knowledgeable human beings I'm ever gonna come across in multiple lifetimes.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:11', 'start_time': '31:10', 'text': 'So thank you, Luke.'},\n {'end_time': '31:12', 'start_time': '31:11', 'text': 'Thank you.'},\n 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"start_time": "0:48", "text": "But your body, you're still having a period cycle every month, means your body's preparing you to get pregnant." }, { "end_time": "0:56", "start_time": "0:53", "text": "You don't get pregnant, and you get a period the next month." }, { "end_time": "0:57", "start_time": "0:56", "text": "You get pregnant, it stops." }, { "end_time": "1:03", "start_time": "0:57", "text": "A lot of women who lose weight too quickly or become too thin, skinny thin, have infertility issues." }, { "end_time": "1:05", "start_time": "1:03", "text": "The body will not allow you to get pregnant." }, { "end_time": "1:06", "start_time": "1:05", "text": "Very difficult." }, { "end_time": "1:12", "start_time": "1:07", "text": "Very important episode, especially for people who want to learn more about health and fitness." }, { "end_time": "1:22", "start_time": "1:12", "text": "The words elite, the billionaires of the world, some of the world's most influential people pay Luke Coutinho for these kind of consultations, these kind of conversations, this kind of knowledge." }, { "end_time": "1:26", "start_time": "1:22", "text": "This episode also contains a diet plan towards the end." }, { "end_time": "1:30", "start_time": "1:26", "text": "It also contains common fat loss and muscle building mistakes." }, { "end_time": "1:33", "start_time": "1:30", "text": "Muscle building is important for both men and women." }, { "end_time": "1:36", "start_time": "1:34", "text": "This is a slightly more advanced fitness conversation." }, { "end_time": "1:43", "start_time": "1:36", "text": "A while ago, when the podcast had begun, one of our most successful episodes was a one zero one on fitness and health." }, { "end_time": "1:46", "start_time": "1:43", "text": "Some ground rules that everyone should be following." }, { "end_time": "1:49", "start_time": "1:46", "text": "This is the more advanced version of that same conversation." }, { "end_time": "1:51", "start_time": "1:49", "text": "We'll link that episode down below." }, { "end_time": "1:56", "start_time": "1:51", "text": "But for now, enjoy Luke Coutinho on the Renee Show for more knowledgeable episodes like this." }, { "end_time": "1:57", "start_time": "1:56", "text": "Make sure you follow us on Spotify." }, { "end_time": "2:03", "start_time": "1:58", "text": "Every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world." }, { "end_time": "2:05", "start_time": "2:03", "text": "TRS is a Spotify exclusive." }, { "end_time": "2:09", "start_time": "2:05", "text": "TRS brings you one of its OG all stars, Luke Coutinho." }, { "end_time": "2:11", "start_time": "2:09", "text": "He's back on the Rungeel show." }, { "end_time": "2:28", "start_time": "2:26", "text": "Luke Coutinho, welcome to the Renmin Show again." }, { "end_time": "2:30", "start_time": "2:28", "text": "The all star is back." }, { "end_time": "2:31", "start_time": "2:30", "text": "It's good to be back with you, man." }, { "end_time": "2:33", "start_time": "2:31", "text": "Really good to be back, brother." }, { "end_time": "2:33", "start_time": "2:33", "text": "It's been ages." }, { "end_time": "2:34", "start_time": "2:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:36", "start_time": "2:34", "text": "This is the first episode we're doing today." }, { "end_time": "2:38", "start_time": "2:36", "text": "The second one's gonna be much more of a free flow." }, { "end_time": "2:47", "start_time": "2:38", "text": "For the first one, I thought we're going to create sort of a sequel to our first ever episode that we recorded on this podcast, which was sort of a Health 101." }, { "end_time": "2:50", "start_time": "2:47", "text": "It's also a 3rd most watched episode ever." }, { "end_time": "2:55", "start_time": "2:50", "text": "So there's a huge demand for a more detailed episode on the world of health." }, { "end_time": "3:03", "start_time": "2:55", "text": "I think health is one of those things where a lot of 22 year olds today, as well as obviously people in their thirties and their forties today, especially after the pandemic Right." }, { "end_time": "3:05", "start_time": "3:03", "text": "Are thinking a lot more about." }, { "end_time": "3:05", "start_time": "3:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:08", "start_time": "3:05", "text": "People are thinking a lot more about their bodies taking care of it." }, { "end_time": "3:17", "start_time": "3:08", "text": "I remember meeting you in 20 17 ish and our challenge as health professionals back then used to be to just make people aware about how important their bodies are." }, { "end_time": "3:18", "start_time": "3:17", "text": "Things have changed." }, { "end_time": "3:19", "start_time": "3:18", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "3:21", "start_time": "3:19", "text": "Where would you like to start this topic, mister Coutinho?" }, { "end_time": "3:28", "start_time": "3:22", "text": "So I think we start with perception because the biggest problem right now in anything, health relationships, is perception." }, { "end_time": "3:28", "start_time": "3:28", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "3:29", "start_time": "3:29", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "3:33", "start_time": "3:29", "text": "So if we look at pandemic, before the pandemic, the context was different." }, { "end_time": "3:34", "start_time": "3:33", "text": "People could go out for runs." }, { "end_time": "3:35", "start_time": "3:34", "text": "They could go out for jogs." }, { "end_time": "3:38", "start_time": "3:35", "text": "They had access to gyms, but they didn't do it." }, { "end_time": "3:39", "start_time": "3:38", "text": "A lot of them didn't do it." }, { "end_time": "3:39", "start_time": "3:39", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "3:41", "start_time": "3:39", "text": "So it was about inspiring people to do it." }, { "end_time": "3:52", "start_time": "3:41", "text": "Now in the pandemic, you didn't have access to that, but a whole new population of people actually found themselves getting fitter during the pandemic, and a whole population found themselves getting lazier as well." }, { "end_time": "3:56", "start_time": "3:52", "text": "So the point is not during pandemic, before pandemic, or now." }, { "end_time": "3:57", "start_time": "3:56", "text": "It's the context." }, { "end_time": "4:02", "start_time": "3:57", "text": "The context is always changing, but the fundamentals remain the same." }, { "end_time": "4:02", "start_time": "4:02", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "4:03", "start_time": "4:02", "text": "So it run very simple." }, { "end_time": "4:05", "start_time": "4:03", "text": "Like in engineering, there are fundamentals." }, { "end_time": "4:08", "start_time": "4:06", "text": "No matter how complicated, the fundamentals never change." }, { "end_time": "4:08", "start_time": "4:08", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "4:10", "start_time": "4:08", "text": "It's the same thing with health." }, { "end_time": "4:12", "start_time": "4:10", "text": "It doesn't have to be complicated." }, { "end_time": "4:13", "start_time": "4:12", "text": "It's the fundamentals." }, { "end_time": "4:14", "start_time": "4:13", "text": "What are those fundamentals?" }, { "end_time": "4:17", "start_time": "4:14", "text": "The way you move your body, your exercise." }, { "end_time": "4:18", "start_time": "4:17", "text": "It's not about how much." }, { "end_time": "4:20", "start_time": "4:19", "text": "It's not about the trend." }, { "end_time": "4:22", "start_time": "4:20", "text": "It's about how consistent you can be." }, { "end_time": "4:23", "start_time": "4:22", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "4:25", "start_time": "4:23", "text": "Five push ups, 5 quality push ups." }, { "end_time": "4:25", "start_time": "4:25", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "4:27", "start_time": "4:25", "text": "A week later, maybe you'll do 10." }, { "end_time": "4:32", "start_time": "4:27", "text": "But a 100 push ups and then you're lazy for a week and then you try to do a 100 again, no." }, { "end_time": "4:34", "start_time": "4:32", "text": "That's the first fundamental, movement." }, { "end_time": "4:36", "start_time": "4:34", "text": "I'm not even using the word exercise." }, { "end_time": "4:38", "start_time": "4:36", "text": "Movement, how much can we move?" }, { "end_time": "4:39", "start_time": "4:38", "text": "And quality moves." }, { "end_time": "4:41", "start_time": "4:40", "text": "The second thing, nutrition." }, { "end_time": "4:43", "start_time": "4:41", "text": "Again, doesn't have to be complicated." }, { "end_time": "4:47", "start_time": "4:43", "text": "I'm not here to say do not eat sugar, do not have junk food." }, { "end_time": "4:49", "start_time": "4:47", "text": "I'm saying can 90% of your food come from nature?" }, { "end_time": "4:52", "start_time": "4:50", "text": "And to balance 10% junk." }, { "end_time": "4:53", "start_time": "4:52", "text": "What's wrong with a bag of chips?" }, { "end_time": "4:54", "start_time": "4:53", "text": "What's wrong with an ice cream?" }, { "end_time": "4:55", "start_time": "4:54", "text": "What's wrong with a dessert?" }, { "end_time": "4:57", "start_time": "4:55", "text": "But the fundamental, consistency." }, { "end_time": "5:03", "start_time": "4:58", "text": "If I'm consistent with the good nutrition, I can allow myself the liberty of my junk, which also keeps me happy." }, { "end_time": "5:06", "start_time": "5:03", "text": "But if I'm consistent with the bad stuff, we have a problem." }, { "end_time": "5:08", "start_time": "5:06", "text": "When you say comes from nature, what do you mean?" }, { "end_time": "5:09", "start_time": "5:08", "text": "Everything natural." }, { "end_time": "5:12", "start_time": "5:09", "text": "Your fruits, your vegetables, your nuts, your seeds." }, { "end_time": "5:19", "start_time": "5:12", "text": "We're not talking about the food that comes in packets that have a long ingredient list where you can't even understand half of the chemicals and preservatives." }, { "end_time": "5:19", "start_time": "5:19", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "5:20", "start_time": "5:19", "text": "A lot of food does come in packets." }, { "end_time": "5:24", "start_time": "5:20", "text": "Like, your rice may come, your flour may come, your veggies may come packed." }, { "end_time": "5:25", "start_time": "5:24", "text": "I'm not talking about that packet food." }, { "end_time": "5:31", "start_time": "5:25", "text": "I'm talking about the process, the ultra processed food, which has now become the curse in society, literally." }, { "end_time": "5:36", "start_time": "5:31", "text": "What do big organizations actually put into processed food, generally speaking?" }, { "end_time": "5:39", "start_time": "5:36", "text": "Palm oil, that's like one of the commonalities, preservatives." }, { "end_time": "5:40", "start_time": "5:40", "text": "What else?" }, { "end_time": "5:44", "start_time": "5:40", "text": "You know, when people eat 2 minute noodles and things like that, what are they actually putting inside their body?" }, { "end_time": "5:47", "start_time": "5:44", "text": "So there are many kinds of oils, not one oil." }, { "end_time": "5:48", "start_time": "5:47", "text": "There are many kinds of oils." }, { "end_time": "5:50", "start_time": "5:48", "text": "There are many kinds of sugar." }, { "end_time": "5:53", "start_time": "5:50", "text": "Like, you'll see white sugar, then you'll also see high confructose." }, { "end_time": "5:58", "start_time": "5:53", "text": "You will also see invert sugar, which are all different kinds of sugars with fancy names." }, { "end_time": "6:03", "start_time": "5:58", "text": "So it's okay if you have a product that has one sugar, one oil, but the the point is there are many of these." }, { "end_time": "6:11", "start_time": "6:03", "text": "And then different preservatives, because I'm only gonna be profitable in the food industry if I can keep my food on the shelf for a long period of time." }, { "end_time": "6:15", "start_time": "6:12", "text": "That's why organic is expensive because it's got a low shelf life." }, { "end_time": "6:20", "start_time": "6:15", "text": "But if I can keep a product for 1 year, my entire cost model becomes more profitable." }, { "end_time": "6:26", "start_time": "6:20", "text": "So the more preservatives that can come in my food, okay, which may be good for the product, but it's not good for me." }, { "end_time": "6:28", "start_time": "6:27", "text": "So that's what they keep adding." }, { "end_time": "6:29", "start_time": "6:28", "text": "And taste." }, { "end_time": "6:31", "start_time": "6:29", "text": "Why do we get addicted to 2 minute noodles?" }, { "end_time": "6:33", "start_time": "6:31", "text": "Why do we get addicted to junk?" }, { "end_time": "6:34", "start_time": "6:33", "text": "Because they've studied it." }, { "end_time": "6:38", "start_time": "6:34", "text": "There are scientists whose only job is to study addiction." }, { "end_time": "6:38", "start_time": "6:38", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "6:39", "start_time": "6:38", "text": "It's called neuroexcitement." }, { "end_time": "6:40", "start_time": "6:40", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "6:42", "start_time": "6:40", "text": "So what what excites these neurons?" }, { "end_time": "6:44", "start_time": "6:42", "text": "Salt, sugar, and fat." }, { "end_time": "6:47", "start_time": "6:45", "text": "That's why French fries taste so good." }, { "end_time": "6:54", "start_time": "6:47", "text": "No matter how it's made, anything that has salt, fat, and sugar in the right proportion, it will cause addiction." }, { "end_time": "6:55", "start_time": "6:54", "text": "You will remember it." }, { "end_time": "6:56", "start_time": "6:55", "text": "Your brain will remember it." }, { "end_time": "6:58", "start_time": "6:56", "text": "What's the biology behind that?" }, { "end_time": "6:58", "start_time": "6:58", "text": "Very simple." }, { "end_time": "6:59", "start_time": "6:58", "text": "Everything excites." }, { "end_time": "7:04", "start_time": "6:59", "text": "Like, a good piece of news to excite you, it has to fire certain neurons." }, { "end_time": "7:08", "start_time": "7:04", "text": "So let's say someone gives you a compliment right now, and you feel really good." }, { "end_time": "7:10", "start_time": "7:08", "text": "You've created a new neural pattern." }, { "end_time": "7:16", "start_time": "7:11", "text": "Now that neural pattern gets stronger the second time you get a compliment, and the third time." }, { "end_time": "7:19", "start_time": "7:16", "text": "So now you love appreciation, it keeps you going, it inspires you." }, { "end_time": "7:20", "start_time": "7:19", "text": "It's the same thing with food." }, { "end_time": "7:24", "start_time": "7:20", "text": "So once food creates that and I feed it more, it gets stronger and stronger." }, { "end_time": "7:28", "start_time": "7:24", "text": "Now to break a neural pattern, that's what makes addiction so difficult." }, { "end_time": "7:30", "start_time": "7:28", "text": "Because it's not a it's not really a behavior." }, { "end_time": "7:33", "start_time": "7:30", "text": "The behavior is involved, but it's the neural pattern." }, { "end_time": "7:41", "start_time": "7:33", "text": "Like, if I ask you to change your your belief system about meditation right now, no matter who I am, I can't because it's a belief system." }, { "end_time": "7:47", "start_time": "7:41", "text": "But over time, as I weaken your neural thought process and your belief system, maybe then I can change it." }, { "end_time": "7:49", "start_time": "7:47", "text": "So I have a dark analogy." }, { "end_time": "7:50", "start_time": "7:49", "text": "This is how Teresa created." }, { "end_time": "7:56", "start_time": "7:51", "text": "Over time, you train kids to think in a social You you you teach them the meaning of peace and suffering." }, { "end_time": "7:57", "start_time": "7:57", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "8:01", "start_time": "7:57", "text": "You show them that, oh, all of your brothers and sisters got killed because of this." }, { "end_time": "8:03", "start_time": "8:01", "text": "You auto suggest to them at a young age." }, { "end_time": "8:06", "start_time": "8:03", "text": "They grow up, and we wonder how can someone do this?" }, { "end_time": "8:08", "start_time": "8:06", "text": "How can someone think of this?" }, { "end_time": "8:10", "start_time": "8:08", "text": "But their thinking was created." }, { "end_time": "8:13", "start_time": "8:10", "text": "And that's a that's a great, great analogy that you brought up." }, { "end_time": "8:15", "start_time": "8:13", "text": "So we do the same with our belief systems." }, { "end_time": "8:20", "start_time": "8:15", "text": "There are so many people who look amazing, but you won't believe it right there." }, { "end_time": "8:25", "start_time": "8:20", "text": "They feel they're ugly because they've fed themselves with the thought that they're not good enough." }, { "end_time": "8:29", "start_time": "8:25", "text": "Or maybe their parents are, oh, you're always fat as a child, and it doesn't get out of them." }, { "end_time": "8:30", "start_time": "8:29", "text": "But now they gotta change their belief system." }, { "end_time": "8:31", "start_time": "8:30", "text": "So it's the same thing with food." }, { "end_time": "8:33", "start_time": "8:31", "text": "That's how addiction works." }, { "end_time": "8:34", "start_time": "8:34", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "8:35", "start_time": "8:34", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "8:41", "start_time": "8:35", "text": "You know, a lot of people watching this I mean, it's just a general very Indian problem, though we're trying to make the podcast international." }, { "end_time": "8:43", "start_time": "8:41", "text": "The general Indian problem is weight loss." }, { "end_time": "8:48", "start_time": "8:44", "text": "Like, I'm sure that's a bulk of the kind of inquiries you get as well." }, { "end_time": "8:50", "start_time": "8:48", "text": "Like, oh, help me with weight loss." }, { "end_time": "8:53", "start_time": "8:50", "text": "And, no one diet suits everyone." }, { "end_time": "9:04", "start_time": "8:53", "text": "But from my own perspective on my own journey, as well as all the people I've trained, as well as what I observe now, there were 2 very key moments in my own, I want to call it fat loss journey." }, { "end_time": "9:04", "start_time": "9:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:12", "start_time": "9:04", "text": "One was when I decided to limit how many desserts or generally how much sugar I was having, which meant not buying any fizzy drinks and keeping them at home." }, { "end_time": "9:14", "start_time": "9:12", "text": "Not buying anything sweet and keeping it at home." }, { "end_time": "9:16", "start_time": "9:14", "text": "If I wanted to have something sweet, I'd eat that." }, { "end_time": "9:17", "start_time": "9:16", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:19", "start_time": "9:17", "text": "Or I'd I mean, during the week I'd eat fruit." }, { "end_time": "9:20", "start_time": "9:19", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "9:25", "start_time": "9:20", "text": "On the weekend, yeah, I would either go out or order in, like, you know, something sweet, but not keep sweet stuff at home." }, { "end_time": "9:26", "start_time": "9:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:32", "start_time": "9:26", "text": "And the second one was when I stopped eating what we call chakna, which is your, I don't know, snack time." }, { "end_time": "9:32", "start_time": "9:32", "text": "Snacks." }, { "end_time": "9:33", "start_time": "9:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:33", "start_time": "9:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:35", "start_time": "9:33", "text": "Your snack time options because of what you said." }, { "end_time": "9:38", "start_time": "9:35", "text": "Starch mixed with salt mixed with fat." }, { "end_time": "9:38", "start_time": "9:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:40", "start_time": "9:38", "text": "So, just these two things." }, { "end_time": "9:44", "start_time": "9:40", "text": "If you can it's it's a very simple life hack, especially for Indians." }, { "end_time": "9:46", "start_time": "9:44", "text": "Don't keep processed food in your house." }, { "end_time": "9:46", "start_time": "9:46", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "9:56", "start_time": "9:47", "text": "I recently came back from Delhi and I noticed I believe at least when we were growing up, New Delhi was supposed to be India's, I mean, I hate saying that because I love New Delhi." }, { "end_time": "9:59", "start_time": "9:56", "text": "I love the people there, but it's supposed to be one of the lesser healthy cities in India." }, { "end_time": "10:00", "start_time": "9:59", "text": "Is that true?" }, { "end_time": "10:01", "start_time": "10:00", "text": "It is true." }, { "end_time": "10:04", "start_time": "10:01", "text": "And, see, we shouldn't feel bad about saying this because it's data points." }, { "end_time": "10:06", "start_time": "10:04", "text": "We're not speaking on basis of emotion." }, { "end_time": "10:06", "start_time": "10:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:13", "start_time": "10:06", "text": "So when we look at the Gokie FIT report, when we look at statistics, because constantly in the field of integrative medicine, we're trying where preventive health care." }, { "end_time": "10:19", "start_time": "10:14", "text": "So we get predictors of which city is more prone to heart attacks, which city is more prone to lung cancer." }, { "end_time": "10:22", "start_time": "10:19", "text": "So for example, data shows us Pune has the most smokers." }, { "end_time": "10:23", "start_time": "10:23", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "10:24", "start_time": "10:23", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "10:29", "start_time": "10:24", "text": "New Delhi has most of the cardiovascular problems and lung problems, pollution 1, and lifestyle 2." }, { "end_time": "10:33", "start_time": "10:29", "text": "So the points you're making are data driven points, and it is true." }, { "end_time": "10:33", "start_time": "10:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:37", "start_time": "10:33", "text": "Also, I mean, the hospitality industry booms in New Delhi." }, { "end_time": "10:39", "start_time": "10:37", "text": "So, I mean, it's that's the other data point." }, { "end_time": "10:45", "start_time": "10:39", "text": "But I strongly like, when I observe a lot of my friends in New Delhi, they've kept a lot of processed food at home." }, { "end_time": "10:47", "start_time": "10:45", "text": "They've kept a lot of sugar at home." }, { "end_time": "10:49", "start_time": "10:47", "text": "They're very big on dessert." }, { "end_time": "10:53", "start_time": "10:49", "text": "They're very big on eating outside more than 3, 4 times a week as well." }, { "end_time": "10:55", "start_time": "10:53", "text": "I love like I'm Punjabi as well." }, { "end_time": "11:01", "start_time": "10:55", "text": "So I understand the whole foodie culture, But sometimes I feel a lot of modern day Indians take it a little too far." }, { "end_time": "11:01", "start_time": "11:01", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:04", "start_time": "11:01", "text": "And then by the point they realize, it's a little late." }, { "end_time": "11:07", "start_time": "11:05", "text": "So, have you noticed this as well?" }, { "end_time": "11:07", "start_time": "11:07", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "11:11", "start_time": "11:07", "text": "And, you know, you've in a way answered, you know, the first point that we started talking about." }, { "end_time": "11:12", "start_time": "11:11", "text": "It's a fundamental." }, { "end_time": "11:14", "start_time": "11:13", "text": "Like you said, those are 2 great hacks." }, { "end_time": "11:16", "start_time": "11:14", "text": "They're fundamentals, actually." }, { "end_time": "11:16", "start_time": "11:16", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "11:20", "start_time": "11:16", "text": "Now a lot of people will omit the fundamentals and try to bring complications." }, { "end_time": "11:22", "start_time": "11:20", "text": "I need a diet plan." }, { "end_time": "11:23", "start_time": "11:22", "text": "I need a trainer." }, { "end_time": "11:25", "start_time": "11:23", "text": "I need I don't have a problem with that, but the fundamentals are wrong." }, { "end_time": "11:25", "start_time": "11:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:35", "start_time": "11:26", "text": "No matter what diet you have, no matter who your trainer is, if you still keep processed at home and you're still eating it, how can a diet plan fix your problems?" }, { "end_time": "11:37", "start_time": "11:35", "text": "And how can a celeb trainer fix your problems?" }, { "end_time": "11:39", "start_time": "11:38", "text": "Because the fundamentals are off." }, { "end_time": "11:49", "start_time": "11:39", "text": "I think people wait for, a diet plan to find them or a trainer to find them, but, actually, they're kind of too caught up in their own temptations and their own enjoyment of their diets to say that, no." }, { "end_time": "11:50", "start_time": "11:49", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "11:51", "start_time": "11:50", "text": "I'll, start it tomorrow." }, { "end_time": "11:52", "start_time": "11:51", "text": "I'll start it today." }, { "end_time": "11:55", "start_time": "11:52", "text": "It's that whole concept of you choose." }, { "end_time": "11:56", "start_time": "11:55", "text": "Is it one day or is it day 1?" }, { "end_time": "11:59", "start_time": "11:56", "text": "It's completely up to it's now up to the diet plan or the trainer." }, { "end_time": "12:00", "start_time": "12:00", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "12:06", "start_time": "12:00", "text": "You know, you make another good point, Ranvir, about the fact that, again, you know, what's at home you are gonna utilize." }, { "end_time": "12:07", "start_time": "12:06", "text": "It's gonna be there." }, { "end_time": "12:11", "start_time": "12:07", "text": "So the point is, if you keep junk out of your home, fundamental." }, { "end_time": "12:13", "start_time": "12:11", "text": "We have a lot of kids who reach out to us." }, { "end_time": "12:14", "start_time": "12:13", "text": "Luke, I'm living in a hostel." }, { "end_time": "12:16", "start_time": "12:14", "text": "I can't be healthy because my food is outside." }, { "end_time": "12:18", "start_time": "12:16", "text": "I said, is everyone in your hostel unhealthy?" }, { "end_time": "12:20", "start_time": "12:18", "text": "Is everyone in your hostel with weight problems?" }, { "end_time": "12:21", "start_time": "12:20", "text": "The answer, no." }, { "end_time": "12:27", "start_time": "12:22", "text": "So it is possible to be healthy and maintain a great lifestyle even if you have a hostile life." }, { "end_time": "12:29", "start_time": "12:27", "text": "The point are the choices you're making." }, { "end_time": "12:30", "start_time": "12:29", "text": "Oh, I'm buying junk." }, { "end_time": "12:30", "start_time": "12:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:31", "start_time": "12:30", "text": "My cupboard's full of junk." }, { "end_time": "12:33", "start_time": "12:31", "text": "My cupboard's full of sugar." }, { "end_time": "12:34", "start_time": "12:33", "text": "My cupboard's full of snacks." }, { "end_time": "12:39", "start_time": "12:34", "text": "So the point is there is a solution for someone living in a hostel, someone going to university." }, { "end_time": "12:39", "start_time": "12:39", "text": "It's dead." }, { "end_time": "12:41", "start_time": "12:39", "text": "It's a choice at the end of the day." }, { "end_time": "12:44", "start_time": "12:41", "text": "But I think most people say that, oh, it's difficult for college going kids." }, { "end_time": "12:45", "start_time": "12:44", "text": "It isn't." }, { "end_time": "12:49", "start_time": "12:45", "text": "Otherwise, every single college going kid would be unhealthy, but that's not the truth." }, { "end_time": "12:50", "start_time": "12:50", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "12:54", "start_time": "12:50", "text": "Every hostile kid kid would be sick and with weight problems, but that's not the truth again." }, { "end_time": "12:58", "start_time": "12:55", "text": "So it comes down to a personal choice and, again, the fundamentals." }, { "end_time": "13:00", "start_time": "12:58", "text": "How consistent can I be with the fundamentals?" }, { "end_time": "13:06", "start_time": "13:01", "text": "I think from a more aesthetic and cosmetic standpoint, people need to understand how bloated you get when you have salty snacks." }, { "end_time": "13:07", "start_time": "13:06", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "13:08", "start_time": "13:07", "text": "And sugar too." }, { "end_time": "13:09", "start_time": "13:08", "text": "And sugar as well?" }, { "end_time": "13:10", "start_time": "13:09", "text": "Like it bloats you." }, { "end_time": "13:10", "start_time": "13:10", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "13:11", "start_time": "13:10", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "13:12", "start_time": "13:11", "text": "You wanna talk a little bit about bloating?" }, { "end_time": "13:18", "start_time": "13:12", "text": "People don't understand what bloating means usually, but, I feel it's a very important concept in intermediate health." }, { "end_time": "13:27", "start_time": "13:18", "text": "Once you've gotten done with your basics, try figuring out what food specifically bloat your body because if you're able to cut them off, your body actually becomes really aesthetic." }, { "end_time": "13:28", "start_time": "13:27", "text": "It becomes lean." }, { "end_time": "13:29", "start_time": "13:28", "text": "The way you look changes." }, { "end_time": "13:31", "start_time": "13:29", "text": "The way your face looks changes." }, { "end_time": "13:32", "start_time": "13:31", "text": "So people should know this." }, { "end_time": "13:33", "start_time": "13:32", "text": "You wanna talk a little bit?" }, { "end_time": "13:33", "start_time": "13:33", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "13:34", "start_time": "13:33", "text": "So I'll give you an example." }, { "end_time": "13:39", "start_time": "13:34", "text": "Like, models before they go on stage for swimsuit rounds or bodybuilders." }, { "end_time": "13:45", "start_time": "13:40", "text": "Leading up to the event, they even calculate the drops of water that they consume." }, { "end_time": "13:45", "start_time": "13:45", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "13:49", "start_time": "13:45", "text": "Because too much of water can cause bloating, and dehydration can also cause bloating." }, { "end_time": "13:52", "start_time": "13:49", "text": "At the same time, they start to cut down on carbohydrates." }, { "end_time": "13:52", "start_time": "13:52", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "13:56", "start_time": "13:52", "text": "Because when we ingest carbohydrates, carbohydrates also store water." }, { "end_time": "13:58", "start_time": "13:56", "text": "So you can have that puffy look and all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "14:00", "start_time": "13:58", "text": "This is just for the day of the competition, and then they're back." }, { "end_time": "14:01", "start_time": "14:01", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "14:01", "start_time": "14:01", "text": "So the point is we understand." }, { "end_time": "14:07", "start_time": "14:01", "text": "Now if I'm eating a Now if I'm eating a lot of carbohydrates or sugars, simple sugars, I am gonna store more water." }, { "end_time": "14:08", "start_time": "14:07", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "14:09", "start_time": "14:08", "text": "I am gonna have a puffy look." }, { "end_time": "14:10", "start_time": "14:09", "text": "I'm gonna be bloated." }, { "end_time": "14:14", "start_time": "14:10", "text": "In India, a lot of people, they come and say, Luca, put on weight, but they're actually just bloated." }, { "end_time": "14:15", "start_time": "14:14", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "14:18", "start_time": "14:15", "text": "They're carrying 3 to 4 kilos of excess water in them." }, { "end_time": "14:21", "start_time": "14:18", "text": "And then as you start to work with their food and their lifestyles, they said, hey." }, { "end_time": "14:22", "start_time": "14:21", "text": "My stomach's flat." }, { "end_time": "14:23", "start_time": "14:22", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "14:23", "start_time": "14:23", "text": "It's gone." }, { "end_time": "14:24", "start_time": "14:23", "text": "You were never fat." }, { "end_time": "14:25", "start_time": "14:24", "text": "You were bloated." }, { "end_time": "14:28", "start_time": "14:25", "text": "So bloating is trapped gas or trapped water." }, { "end_time": "14:31", "start_time": "14:29", "text": "Food can be a cause, like gluten, if you're intolerant." }, { "end_time": "14:34", "start_time": "14:32", "text": "A lot of people have gluten and they're fine." }, { "end_time": "14:34", "start_time": "14:34", "text": "Lactose." }, { "end_time": "14:36", "start_time": "14:35", "text": "Some people are intolerant." }, { "end_time": "14:38", "start_time": "14:36", "text": "Some people just have weak guts." }, { "end_time": "14:41", "start_time": "14:38", "text": "So they could have it, but now they can't because their guts are weak." }, { "end_time": "14:42", "start_time": "14:41", "text": "That can bloat you up." }, { "end_time": "14:48", "start_time": "14:42", "text": "If your gut is weak, maybe lentils, the normal lentils and legumes like your rajmachana that you grew up on." }, { "end_time": "14:50", "start_time": "14:48", "text": "Now all of a sudden, you can't eat it because it bloats you up." }, { "end_time": "14:51", "start_time": "14:50", "text": "Why why does this happen?" }, { "end_time": "14:57", "start_time": "14:51", "text": "Like, why does your body develop intolerances towards gluten, lactose, or, lentils later on in life?" }, { "end_time": "14:58", "start_time": "14:57", "text": "Like, what's happening inside your body?" }, { "end_time": "14:58", "start_time": "14:58", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "15:00", "start_time": "14:58", "text": "Let me let me give it with an example." }, { "end_time": "15:10", "start_time": "15:00", "text": "I will develop an intolerance to a person, okay, if I start to become weak and insecure about that person, or that person becomes like a stronger threat to me." }, { "end_time": "15:12", "start_time": "15:10", "text": "It's the same thing with the body." }, { "end_time": "15:16", "start_time": "15:12", "text": "If my gut starts to get weaker, I can't handle the foods that I once could have." }, { "end_time": "15:22", "start_time": "15:16", "text": "Or because food's changing today, there's a lot of GMO and all of that stuff, pesticides in our food." }, { "end_time": "15:25", "start_time": "15:22", "text": "Now that's a threat, but, technically, our body should be able to handle it." }, { "end_time": "15:29", "start_time": "15:25", "text": "But if I'm not weak enough to handle it, now that becomes a threat in my body." }, { "end_time": "15:30", "start_time": "15:29", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "15:34", "start_time": "15:30", "text": "So when we suddenly get an intolerance, it's because poor gut health and poor liver health." }, { "end_time": "15:39", "start_time": "15:35", "text": "And our liver's dealing with pollution, pesticides, so we don't maintain a clean liver." }, { "end_time": "15:40", "start_time": "15:39", "text": "That's the seat house of allergies." }, { "end_time": "15:43", "start_time": "15:40", "text": "So when you go to a doctor to check allergies, you get a tablet." }, { "end_time": "15:44", "start_time": "15:43", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "15:50", "start_time": "15:44", "text": "But today, you need to understand that if I wanna overcome those allergies, I have to look at my liver and I also have to look at my gut." }, { "end_time": "15:54", "start_time": "15:50", "text": "Because they both work together to prevent allergies, fight allergies." }, { "end_time": "15:59", "start_time": "15:55", "text": "So if I have weakness in either of these organs, I am gonna be prone to more and more allergies." }, { "end_time": "16:02", "start_time": "15:59", "text": "And then there are some allergies which you're born with, and it will continue." }, { "end_time": "16:08", "start_time": "16:02", "text": "It's because you don't have the immune factors to basically neutralize that particular allergen or that dust or that pollen." }, { "end_time": "16:11", "start_time": "16:08", "text": "One more intermediate health, angle, gut health." }, { "end_time": "16:12", "start_time": "16:11", "text": "Let's just talk about very quickly." }, { "end_time": "16:14", "start_time": "16:12", "text": "Everyone knows that you need probiotics." }, { "end_time": "16:18", "start_time": "16:14", "text": "You get it from, curd, like dahi, yogurt." }, { "end_time": "16:19", "start_time": "16:18", "text": "What else do you get it from?" }, { "end_time": "16:21", "start_time": "16:19", "text": "Good like, as in You get it from your pickled vegetables." }, { "end_time": "16:23", "start_time": "16:21", "text": "You get it from your pickles." }, { "end_time": "16:23", "start_time": "16:23", "text": "You you get it." }, { "end_time": "16:24", "start_time": "16:23", "text": "And your Kombucha." }, { "end_time": "16:25", "start_time": "16:24", "text": "Kombucha as well." }, { "end_time": "16:27", "start_time": "16:25", "text": "But, again, all of these things are overrated." }, { "end_time": "16:28", "start_time": "16:27", "text": "And I'll tell you something." }, { "end_time": "16:30", "start_time": "16:28", "text": "Probiotics are not always good for you." }, { "end_time": "16:36", "start_time": "16:30", "text": "So you're talking about a gut microflora that has trillions, trillions of strains." }, { "end_time": "16:39", "start_time": "16:36", "text": "And we pick up a probiotic bottle and we say, oh, 50,000,000,000 strains." }, { "end_time": "16:42", "start_time": "16:40", "text": "Now you think you're putting 50,000,000,000 amongst trillions." }, { "end_time": "16:44", "start_time": "16:42", "text": "You don't know how it's gonna fire." }, { "end_time": "16:46", "start_time": "16:44", "text": "You don't know how it's gonna work." }, { "end_time": "16:48", "start_time": "16:46", "text": "Sometimes probiotics will create more disruption." }, { "end_time": "16:50", "start_time": "16:48", "text": "You're disrupting in intelligence." }, { "end_time": "16:54", "start_time": "16:51", "text": "That is why it has to be decided the right way." }, { "end_time": "16:55", "start_time": "16:54", "text": "How do you decide?" }, { "end_time": "16:57", "start_time": "16:55", "text": "It got again, based on your symptoms." }, { "end_time": "16:59", "start_time": "16:57", "text": "Based on it, people are like, oh, I'm I'm bloated." }, { "end_time": "17:00", "start_time": "16:59", "text": "Let me take a probiotic." }, { "end_time": "17:04", "start_time": "17:00", "text": "But you're bloated because you're dehydrated, you're sleep deprived, so why do you need a probiotic?" }, { "end_time": "17:05", "start_time": "17:05", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "17:07", "start_time": "17:05", "text": "So it's always with intention." }, { "end_time": "17:09", "start_time": "17:07", "text": "You take up that's fantastic." }, { "end_time": "17:16", "start_time": "17:09", "text": "You can I can stop someone's diarrhea with a probiotic if I know that the bacterial infection has disrupted some of the bacteria?" }, { "end_time": "17:18", "start_time": "17:16", "text": "So now I'm populating it, and I can solve it." }, { "end_time": "17:22", "start_time": "17:18", "text": "But if that's not the root cause, how does a probiotic work?" }, { "end_time": "17:24", "start_time": "17:22", "text": "And we should we should understand it's an ecosystem." }, { "end_time": "17:33", "start_time": "17:24", "text": "So even the air, the weather, anxiety in a room, my thought process can actually change how my gut's working." }, { "end_time": "17:46", "start_time": "17:33", "text": "Today, there's amazing research that every antibiotic that we've taken or any illegal substance or any substance we've taken, our microbiome has already produced a strain to recognize that, like a blueprint." }, { "end_time": "17:46", "start_time": "17:46", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "17:48", "start_time": "17:46", "text": "It is so intelligent." }, { "end_time": "17:54", "start_time": "17:48", "text": "So if you ask me today gut health, if you wanna improve your gut health, you wanna reset your gut fasting." }, { "end_time": "17:57", "start_time": "17:54", "text": "Because what you do is you stop putting stuff in your system." }, { "end_time": "18:00", "start_time": "17:57", "text": "You give it a break to repopulate with its own intelligence." }, { "end_time": "18:03", "start_time": "18:01", "text": "So fasting is the easiest reset." }, { "end_time": "18:07", "start_time": "18:04", "text": "The second easiest reset, cut out sugar for a week." }, { "end_time": "18:08", "start_time": "18:07", "text": "Cut out all processed food for a week." }, { "end_time": "18:14", "start_time": "18:08", "text": "So now you're getting diversity of micronutrients from natural foods that can help you to populate your gut." }, { "end_time": "18:15", "start_time": "18:14", "text": "So these are the simplest." }, { "end_time": "18:19", "start_time": "18:15", "text": "Do you think there's a lot of stuff in fruits and vegetables that even science hasn't understood yet?" }, { "end_time": "18:22", "start_time": "18:19", "text": "See, when you look at science, it is an extreme saying don't eat fruits." }, { "end_time": "18:23", "start_time": "18:22", "text": "It's simple carbs." }, { "end_time": "18:24", "start_time": "18:23", "text": "You're putting on weight." }, { "end_time": "18:26", "start_time": "18:24", "text": "Those are for people who are only focused on weight loss." }, { "end_time": "18:33", "start_time": "18:27", "text": "But till date, every literature shows the massive potential of micronutrients in different fruits." }, { "end_time": "18:38", "start_time": "18:33", "text": "So starting off with the berry family, the most powerful, but that doesn't make papaya any less." }, { "end_time": "18:49", "start_time": "18:38", "text": "So these are polyphenols, flavonoids, anthocyanins, all of these work at a genetic level in your body in prevention, in recoveries, you name it, cancers, Alzheimer's, whatever." }, { "end_time": "18:52", "start_time": "18:50", "text": "Micronutrients, which no other food has." }, { "end_time": "18:57", "start_time": "18:52", "text": "Now vegetables have them, but in a different form than fruits, which is why we need balance." }, { "end_time": "18:58", "start_time": "18:57", "text": "Gotcha." }, { "end_time": "19:00", "start_time": "18:58", "text": "Which is why a nutraceutical can never replace a fruit." }, { "end_time": "19:01", "start_time": "19:00", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "19:03", "start_time": "19:01", "text": "It can never replace a particular vegetable." }, { "end_time": "19:06", "start_time": "19:03", "text": "Because these polyphenols and flavonoids, you can isolate them." }, { "end_time": "19:10", "start_time": "19:06", "text": "But in a fruit, okay, it's it's a living organism until it's it's plucked off." }, { "end_time": "19:13", "start_time": "19:10", "text": "It's working with its own intelligence to grow." }, { "end_time": "19:14", "start_time": "19:13", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "19:15", "start_time": "19:14", "text": "I I completely hear you." }, { "end_time": "19:19", "start_time": "19:15", "text": "I also want to highlight, packaged fruit juices." }, { "end_time": "19:26", "start_time": "19:19", "text": "I think a lot of people kind of know the advantages of consuming fruits and vegetables, and their version of that is, well, I'm just gonna consume this packaged fruit juice." }, { "end_time": "19:28", "start_time": "19:26", "text": "Do you have anything to say about the juices we get in Tetra packs?" }, { "end_time": "19:32", "start_time": "19:28", "text": "It's a waste of money, and you're gonna mess up your metabolic health right up front." }, { "end_time": "19:34", "start_time": "19:32", "text": "No matter and I don't wanna put down companies." }, { "end_time": "19:36", "start_time": "19:34", "text": "There's no requirement to do that." }, { "end_time": "19:39", "start_time": "19:36", "text": "But at some point in life, you know, I call it compassion at a company level." }, { "end_time": "19:39", "start_time": "19:39", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "19:53", "start_time": "19:39", "text": "If I was running a company, and I am today, and I have a certain amount of success, I need to start compassionately thinking about where the parts of my company are driving things that can sustain health, longevity, and the future generations." }, { "end_time": "19:56", "start_time": "19:53", "text": "The point is fruit juice is absolutely useless." }, { "end_time": "19:57", "start_time": "19:56", "text": "There's enough of science." }, { "end_time": "20:02", "start_time": "19:58", "text": "Number 1, when you juice the fruit, you've broken down most of the nutrients, the fiber." }, { "end_time": "20:04", "start_time": "20:02", "text": "So you're having a glass of sugar, literally." }, { "end_time": "20:07", "start_time": "20:05", "text": "Even if it's sugar free juice, it's a glass of sugar." }, { "end_time": "20:14", "start_time": "20:07", "text": "It's a simple if so if I give a diabetic, a bowl of papaya, they are gonna spike their levels even if they eat it because it's a simple carb." }, { "end_time": "20:15", "start_time": "20:14", "text": "It is." }, { "end_time": "20:17", "start_time": "20:15", "text": "That's why you cut down fruits with a diabetic." }, { "end_time": "20:19", "start_time": "20:17", "text": "You don't you don't have to stop it, but you cut it down." }, { "end_time": "20:23", "start_time": "20:19", "text": "Now a fruit juice is just more fruit broken down the fiber." }, { "end_time": "20:29", "start_time": "20:24", "text": "In the heated process of breaking it into a juice, you're denaturing the vitamins." }, { "end_time": "20:34", "start_time": "20:29", "text": "So, literally, you're just getting something sweet that's gonna make you hungry faster." }, { "end_time": "20:40", "start_time": "20:34", "text": "Now I would use a fruit juice freshly made for certain patients who are end stage." }, { "end_time": "20:42", "start_time": "20:40", "text": "They you know, colorectal cancer, the guts removed." }, { "end_time": "20:45", "start_time": "20:42", "text": "You know, you need some amount of energy going into them." }, { "end_time": "20:53", "start_time": "20:45", "text": "So there is a place for it, but the youth are absolute waste of money and waste of good metabolic health." }, { "end_time": "20:56", "start_time": "20:53", "text": "So my question was only about the tetra packs, you know, that people consume." }, { "end_time": "20:57", "start_time": "20:56", "text": "We've been consuming for decades now." }, { "end_time": "20:58", "start_time": "20:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:00", "start_time": "20:58", "text": "But you're also talking about fresh fruit juice." }, { "end_time": "21:03", "start_time": "21:00", "text": "Even if you make it, you're denaturing it in your own making process." }, { "end_time": "21:05", "start_time": "21:03", "text": "Maybe you don't have the preservatives in it." }, { "end_time": "21:06", "start_time": "21:05", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "21:06", "start_time": "21:06", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "21:07", "start_time": "21:06", "text": "But you gotta eat it." }, { "end_time": "21:08", "start_time": "21:07", "text": "There's a there's a certain science." }, { "end_time": "21:11", "start_time": "21:08", "text": "When I chew a fruit, it's mixing with my saliva." }, { "end_time": "21:17", "start_time": "21:11", "text": "I'm starting to absorb, you know, certain micronutrients, but, you know, it mixes and it goes down." }, { "end_time": "21:23", "start_time": "21:17", "text": "But the point is when I make it into a juice, I'm just swallowing it and gulping it, and it's it's absolutely unnecessary." }, { "end_time": "21:23", "start_time": "21:23", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "21:25", "start_time": "21:23", "text": "Like, I wouldn't even give it to kids." }, { "end_time": "21:30", "start_time": "21:25", "text": "I would say I would tell my daughter, I'll give you a bar of chocolate, but not a fruit juice." }, { "end_time": "21:30", "start_time": "21:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:31", "start_time": "21:31", "text": "That way." }, { "end_time": "21:37", "start_time": "21:31", "text": "You know, I've been overweight in my own life, and I've had that whole educative process fortunately pretty early on in life." }, { "end_time": "21:42", "start_time": "21:37", "text": "The one thing I've noticed about most overweight individuals who want to lose weight Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:46", "start_time": "21:42", "text": "Is that they have some kind of wrong ideas about what the right techniques are." }, { "end_time": "21:46", "start_time": "21:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:48", "start_time": "21:46", "text": "They think that this technique will make me lose weight." }, { "end_time": "21:52", "start_time": "21:48", "text": "Like, they equate weight loss with eating fruits." }, { "end_time": "21:53", "start_time": "21:52", "text": "Again, it's a perception." }, { "end_time": "21:53", "start_time": "21:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:56", "start_time": "21:53", "text": "Because all fruits are healthy, so I'm I'm making a change in my lifestyle." }, { "end_time": "21:57", "start_time": "21:56", "text": "I'm gonna eat fruits." }, { "end_time": "22:01", "start_time": "21:57", "text": "But if you actually even eat more fruits, you can put on a lot of weight." }, { "end_time": "22:01", "start_time": "22:01", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "22:02", "start_time": "22:01", "text": "Even if you're not juicing it." }, { "end_time": "22:03", "start_time": "22:02", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "22:06", "start_time": "22:03", "text": "You know, people have this platter of fruits in the morning in front of them." }, { "end_time": "22:06", "start_time": "22:06", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "22:10", "start_time": "22:06", "text": "You're you're gonna have a nonalcoholic fatty liver at some point if you don't stop that." }, { "end_time": "22:12", "start_time": "22:10", "text": "Even if you're healthy, that's too much of fructose." }, { "end_time": "22:14", "start_time": "22:13", "text": "And that's why nature's given it to you in a mono." }, { "end_time": "22:16", "start_time": "22:14", "text": "One apple, that's your portion." }, { "end_time": "22:17", "start_time": "22:16", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "22:17", "start_time": "22:17", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "22:19", "start_time": "22:17", "text": "A handful of berries, maybe." }, { "end_time": "22:22", "start_time": "22:19", "text": "A small bowl of papaya, but more fruit doesn't mean more health." }, { "end_time": "22:23", "start_time": "22:22", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "22:27", "start_time": "22:23", "text": "If I wanna have 3 fruits in a day, I can space it out, but I'm not gonna have it at one time." }, { "end_time": "22:28", "start_time": "22:27", "text": "What about raw vegetables?" }, { "end_time": "22:29", "start_time": "22:28", "text": "Fantastic." }, { "end_time": "22:31", "start_time": "22:29", "text": "You can mix them up?" }, { "end_time": "22:31", "start_time": "22:31", "text": "I can mix them up." }, { "end_time": "22:32", "start_time": "22:31", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "22:32", "start_time": "22:32", "text": "I'm gonna micronutrients." }, { "end_time": "22:39", "start_time": "22:32", "text": "But, again, if I have too much, okay, too much, it's gonna be difficult for me to digest because it's raw fiber, great fiber." }, { "end_time": "22:40", "start_time": "22:39", "text": "A lot of people will bloat up." }, { "end_time": "22:42", "start_time": "22:40", "text": "And, again, there's a time and place for everything." }, { "end_time": "22:50", "start_time": "22:42", "text": "Someone with a suppressed immune system, someone going through a COVID and with a lot of infection in them, or a chemotherapy, or a cancer." }, { "end_time": "22:51", "start_time": "22:50", "text": "You wanna stay away from raws." }, { "end_time": "22:55", "start_time": "22:51", "text": "Your immune system's already suppressed, and you could get an infection with a raw." }, { "end_time": "22:57", "start_time": "22:55", "text": "So that's when you tell them cook it, steam it, boil it." }, { "end_time": "23:00", "start_time": "22:57", "text": "But otherwise, raw populates our microbiome." }, { "end_time": "23:02", "start_time": "23:00", "text": "But again, everyone's different." }, { "end_time": "23:02", "start_time": "23:02", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "23:05", "start_time": "23:02", "text": "Some people do better with cooked food and a little bit of raw." }, { "end_time": "23:09", "start_time": "23:05", "text": "Some people I know just go on these raw food diets, and they're constantly bloated." }, { "end_time": "23:12", "start_time": "23:09", "text": "And some people can do it and it actually sorts out their gut." }, { "end_time": "23:13", "start_time": "23:12", "text": "Yeah, I think that's the case with me." }, { "end_time": "23:19", "start_time": "23:13", "text": "Like since I have turned to raw, it's just sorted a lot of my problems, including helping with my recovery and all that." }, { "end_time": "23:28", "start_time": "23:19", "text": "So when I was in this whole raw food eating journey, the one thing I came across is that Ayurved recommends that you have it before 4 PM." }, { "end_time": "23:30", "start_time": "23:28", "text": "I don't understand the exact biology of it." }, { "end_time": "23:37", "start_time": "23:30", "text": "I don't even know if there's scientific studies to back this claim, but most Ayurvedic experts will tell you to have raw food before 4 PM." }, { "end_time": "23:39", "start_time": "23:37", "text": "What do you think the It is true." }, { "end_time": "23:43", "start_time": "23:39", "text": "I would I would just say before sunset because, you know, I'm a huge fan of the circadian rhythm." }, { "end_time": "23:44", "start_time": "23:43", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "23:46", "start_time": "23:44", "text": "That's the laws of sunset, sunrise, nature, light." }, { "end_time": "23:47", "start_time": "23:46", "text": "That's how our bodies work." }, { "end_time": "23:49", "start_time": "23:47", "text": "That's how our brains work." }, { "end_time": "23:51", "start_time": "23:49", "text": "A state of wakefulness, a state of sleep." }, { "end_time": "23:52", "start_time": "23:51", "text": "So it's simple science." }, { "end_time": "23:53", "start_time": "23:52", "text": "There's no challenge to it." }, { "end_time": "23:58", "start_time": "23:53", "text": "So 4:30, I I don't know the the science behind 4:30, but I would say after sunset, yes." }, { "end_time": "24:00", "start_time": "23:58", "text": "Cut down or don't have raws." }, { "end_time": "24:04", "start_time": "24:00", "text": "Because after the sun sets, our digestive fire actually decreases." }, { "end_time": "24:05", "start_time": "24:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:08", "start_time": "24:05", "text": "It's it's like a home chemistry textbooks when you're learning chemical equations for the first time." }, { "end_time": "24:09", "start_time": "24:08", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "24:12", "start_time": "24:09", "text": "You know, x plus y gives you a, b, c." }, { "end_time": "24:12", "start_time": "24:12", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "24:15", "start_time": "24:12", "text": "But then there's an arrow between the x plus y and the a, b, c." }, { "end_time": "24:18", "start_time": "24:15", "text": "And that arrow has a catalyst on top, and they sometimes just write sunlight." }, { "end_time": "24:18", "start_time": "24:18", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:20", "start_time": "24:18", "text": "So that's how I look at it." }, { "end_time": "24:24", "start_time": "24:20", "text": "Like, when you consume raw food, sunlight has to be a catalyst for you to digest." }, { "end_time": "24:26", "start_time": "24:24", "text": "Because it's tough to break down raw food." }, { "end_time": "24:28", "start_time": "24:26", "text": "It's plant cellulose." }, { "end_time": "24:35", "start_time": "24:28", "text": "So plants protect themselves in the wild from being eaten, or they try to put off being eaten because of the thick plant cellulose." }, { "end_time": "24:40", "start_time": "24:35", "text": "So an animal will eat it and kind of spit it out or really have to chew and chew and chew a lot." }, { "end_time": "24:44", "start_time": "24:40", "text": "Imagine the amount of digestive energy we need to break down a whole bowl of salad at 9 in the night." }, { "end_time": "24:47", "start_time": "24:44", "text": "We think it's the healthy thing, but you don't." }, { "end_time": "24:53", "start_time": "24:47", "text": "You are not metabolically able to digest it because your metabolism is automatically slower to prepare you for sleep." }, { "end_time": "24:59", "start_time": "24:53", "text": "So I completely go with that science of keeping raws out on minimum, minimum towards night." }, { "end_time": "24:59", "start_time": "24:59", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "25:03", "start_time": "25:00", "text": "I think one theme on this particular episode is bio individuality." }, { "end_time": "25:03", "start_time": "25:03", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "25:05", "start_time": "25:04", "text": "And we'll talk about that." }, { "end_time": "25:14", "start_time": "25:05", "text": "But this particular section of this podcast is the top ten mistakes that mister Luke Coutinho has seen when it comes to weight loss related Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:14", "start_time": "25:14", "text": "Cases." }, { "end_time": "25:15", "start_time": "25:15", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "25:19", "start_time": "25:16", "text": "You wanna you wanna talk about 10 common mistakes you see in India?" }, { "end_time": "25:20", "start_time": "25:19", "text": "Or, actually, you have international clients." }, { "end_time": "25:22", "start_time": "25:20", "text": "I'm sure you see some mistakes all over the world." }, { "end_time": "25:22", "start_time": "25:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:28", "start_time": "25:22", "text": "So I think, again, I I'm a fan of perception because I believe our mind decides right then what's right, what's wrong." }, { "end_time": "25:29", "start_time": "25:28", "text": "So number 1, it's not weight loss." }, { "end_time": "25:31", "start_time": "25:29", "text": "We say fat loss." }, { "end_time": "25:31", "start_time": "25:31", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "25:34", "start_time": "25:31", "text": "Aim to lose fat, burn fat, not weight." }, { "end_time": "25:38", "start_time": "25:34", "text": "Because you could be losing muscle mass, you could be losing bone density, or you could just be losing water." }, { "end_time": "25:39", "start_time": "25:38", "text": "And you'll be like, hey." }, { "end_time": "25:41", "start_time": "25:39", "text": "My weight's going down, but you have a bigger problem." }, { "end_time": "25:43", "start_time": "25:41", "text": "So weight loss alarms me." }, { "end_time": "25:44", "start_time": "25:43", "text": "Fat loss inspires me." }, { "end_time": "25:47", "start_time": "25:44", "text": "Would you say that the mistake is starving yourself or being Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "25:50", "start_time": "25:47", "text": "People don't know the difference between starving and fasting." }, { "end_time": "25:55", "start_time": "25:50", "text": "So if they try to starve, like, they've had a big meal today and they say, I just wanna eat for the next 24 hours." }, { "end_time": "26:06", "start_time": "25:55", "text": "Now you think you're gonna lose weight with that, but you're actually becoming more and more deficient in micronutrients that your body actually needs to help you burn that excess fat and the rubbish that you ate." }, { "end_time": "26:08", "start_time": "26:06", "text": "So starvation will slow down your metabolism." }, { "end_time": "26:11", "start_time": "26:08", "text": "It will depress you because you're psychologically depriving." }, { "end_time": "26:13", "start_time": "26:11", "text": "Your survival system depends on energy." }, { "end_time": "26:16", "start_time": "26:13", "text": "You're cutting it out so that there's gonna be a big problem with that." }, { "end_time": "26:17", "start_time": "26:16", "text": "So that's another mistake, starvation." }, { "end_time": "26:18", "start_time": "26:18", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "26:21", "start_time": "26:18", "text": "Number 3, how people are doing fasting today." }, { "end_time": "26:22", "start_time": "26:21", "text": "Completely wrong." }, { "end_time": "26:23", "start_time": "26:22", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "26:24", "start_time": "26:23", "text": "Fasting also follows a circadian rhythm." }, { "end_time": "26:25", "start_time": "26:25", "text": "Intermittent fasting." }, { "end_time": "26:26", "start_time": "26:25", "text": "Intermittent fasting." }, { "end_time": "26:27", "start_time": "26:26", "text": "Whatever it is." }, { "end_time": "26:29", "start_time": "26:27", "text": "So you start off, try to maintain your timings." }, { "end_time": "26:30", "start_time": "26:30", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "26:38", "start_time": "26:30", "text": "Don't just start off at 8 today and tomorrow it's a weekend, so you'll start at 2 in the morning and then keep changing it because you're actually confusing the biorhythms of your body." }, { "end_time": "26:38", "start_time": "26:38", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "26:40", "start_time": "26:38", "text": "The next part is cardio." }, { "end_time": "26:41", "start_time": "26:40", "text": "People One second." }, { "end_time": "26:41", "start_time": "26:41", "text": "What is biorhythm?" }, { "end_time": "26:43", "start_time": "26:43", "text": "The sorry." }, { "end_time": "26:44", "start_time": "26:43", "text": "What is biorhythm?" }, { "end_time": "26:45", "start_time": "26:44", "text": "What do you mean by biorhythm?" }, { "end_time": "26:45", "start_time": "26:45", "text": "Biorhythm." }, { "end_time": "26:47", "start_time": "26:45", "text": "So so right now, put your hand on your chest." }, { "end_time": "26:49", "start_time": "26:48", "text": "Your heartbeat is a rhythm." }, { "end_time": "26:51", "start_time": "26:49", "text": "Put your hand on your pulse." }, { "end_time": "26:52", "start_time": "26:51", "text": "Rhythm." }, { "end_time": "26:54", "start_time": "26:52", "text": "When you meditate, Ranveer, it's a rhythm." }, { "end_time": "26:56", "start_time": "26:54", "text": "Everything is rhythms." }, { "end_time": "26:58", "start_time": "26:56", "text": "The vibration in the room is a rhythm." }, { "end_time": "26:59", "start_time": "26:58", "text": "Everything's a rhythm." }, { "end_time": "27:02", "start_time": "26:59", "text": "Now I can disrupt the rhythm by getting angry, my heart rate will change." }, { "end_time": "27:06", "start_time": "27:02", "text": "By saying something disrespectful, everyone in this room will change." }, { "end_time": "27:07", "start_time": "27:06", "text": "These are biorhythms." }, { "end_time": "27:08", "start_time": "27:07", "text": "Nature can change my biorhythm." }, { "end_time": "27:10", "start_time": "27:09", "text": "The wind can." }, { "end_time": "27:12", "start_time": "27:10", "text": "Temperature, rain, thunder, lightning." }, { "end_time": "27:13", "start_time": "27:12", "text": "We're all biorhythms." }, { "end_time": "27:14", "start_time": "27:13", "text": "That's why we vibrate." }, { "end_time": "27:17", "start_time": "27:14", "text": "They say vibrational frequencies because we're rhythms." }, { "end_time": "27:19", "start_time": "27:17", "text": "Otherwise, you can't you can't vibrate." }, { "end_time": "27:20", "start_time": "27:19", "text": "Can I cut back a little bit in this conversation?" }, { "end_time": "27:23", "start_time": "27:20", "text": "I count the first mistake primarily as starving yourself." }, { "end_time": "27:24", "start_time": "27:23", "text": "Like, you're reaching Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:29", "start_time": "27:25", "text": "The second mistake I would probably say is, not maintaining your rhythms." }, { "end_time": "27:29", "start_time": "27:29", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "27:32", "start_time": "27:29", "text": "And that could also be of, like, what time you sleep and wake up, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "27:34", "start_time": "27:32", "text": "And that's my that's my next point, sleep deprivation." }, { "end_time": "27:35", "start_time": "27:34", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "27:39", "start_time": "27:35", "text": "If you are sleep deprived and you are struggling to lose weight, it will be a struggle." }, { "end_time": "27:39", "start_time": "27:39", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "27:42", "start_time": "27:39", "text": "No matter how clean your diet is and no matter how much you work out." }, { "end_time": "27:42", "start_time": "27:42", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "27:44", "start_time": "27:43", "text": "Because we lose fat while we sleep." }, { "end_time": "27:51", "start_time": "27:44", "text": "And lots of modern day professionals complain that they don't get time, but the truth is their time is being taken away by empty scrolling on social media." }, { "end_time": "27:52", "start_time": "27:51", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "27:54", "start_time": "27:52", "text": "I'm yet to find one person, and I take it up as a challenge." }, { "end_time": "27:56", "start_time": "27:54", "text": "When they say I don't have time, I say, okay." }, { "end_time": "27:59", "start_time": "27:56", "text": "Sit with me, and I can challenge you." }, { "end_time": "28:02", "start_time": "27:59", "text": "I'll give you a free program, okay, if you really don't have time." }, { "end_time": "28:02", "start_time": "28:02", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "28:03", "start_time": "28:02", "text": "And I always win." }, { "end_time": "28:04", "start_time": "28:03", "text": "And you work with billionaires as well." }, { "end_time": "28:05", "start_time": "28:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:06", "start_time": "28:05", "text": "And we find time for them." }, { "end_time": "28:07", "start_time": "28:06", "text": "They find time." }, { "end_time": "28:08", "start_time": "28:07", "text": "It's not like we do." }, { "end_time": "28:09", "start_time": "28:08", "text": "But simple." }, { "end_time": "28:09", "start_time": "28:09", "text": "Where's this time?" }, { "end_time": "28:10", "start_time": "28:09", "text": "Oh, yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:11", "start_time": "28:10", "text": "This is a waste." }, { "end_time": "28:11", "start_time": "28:11", "text": "Remove it." }, { "end_time": "28:12", "start_time": "28:11", "text": "I have 1 hour." }, { "end_time": "28:13", "start_time": "28:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:13", "start_time": "28:13", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "28:15", "start_time": "28:13", "text": "So we all have time." }, { "end_time": "28:17", "start_time": "28:15", "text": "It's about how we're using it and how we prioritize." }, { "end_time": "28:21", "start_time": "28:17", "text": "Whole concept of the people who say that they don't have time to meditate actually need it the most." }, { "end_time": "28:22", "start_time": "28:21", "text": "They need it the most." }, { "end_time": "28:26", "start_time": "28:22", "text": "And the people who are like, I I wish I had 26 hours in a day." }, { "end_time": "28:26", "start_time": "28:26", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "28:27", "start_time": "28:27", "text": "Absolutely not." }, { "end_time": "28:32", "start_time": "28:27", "text": "Because you're already sending messages to the universe of lack." }, { "end_time": "28:33", "start_time": "28:33", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "28:34", "start_time": "28:33", "text": "So wish I had." }, { "end_time": "28:35", "start_time": "28:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:35", "start_time": "28:35", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "28:35", "start_time": "28:35", "text": "You have it." }, { "end_time": "28:36", "start_time": "28:35", "text": "Make do." }, { "end_time": "28:37", "start_time": "28:36", "text": "Everyone has it." }, { "end_time": "28:41", "start_time": "28:37", "text": "The most successful people have 24 hours, and you, we have 24 hours." }, { "end_time": "28:41", "start_time": "28:41", "text": "What's the difference?" }, { "end_time": "28:43", "start_time": "28:41", "text": "It's not like they have more time." }, { "end_time": "28:45", "start_time": "28:43", "text": "They're utilizing their time more effectively." }, { "end_time": "28:46", "start_time": "28:45", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "28:46", "start_time": "28:46", "text": "Number 4." }, { "end_time": "28:47", "start_time": "28:46", "text": "So number 4 yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:48", "start_time": "28:47", "text": "We spoke about sleep." }, { "end_time": "28:49", "start_time": "28:48", "text": "Cardio." }, { "end_time": "28:51", "start_time": "28:49", "text": "Number 4 is cardio." }, { "end_time": "28:51", "start_time": "28:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:52", "start_time": "28:51", "text": "People are just doing cardio." }, { "end_time": "28:53", "start_time": "28:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:58", "start_time": "28:53", "text": "But the truth to and the science to fat loss is muscle." }, { "end_time": "29:01", "start_time": "28:59", "text": "Now when I say this, people say, but, Luke, I don't wanna lift weights." }, { "end_time": "29:03", "start_time": "29:01", "text": "I don't I'm not talking about big buff muscle." }, { "end_time": "29:11", "start_time": "29:03", "text": "I'm talking about lean muscle that you can get with squats at home, lunges, push ups, playing tennis, playing cricket, playing." }, { "end_time": "29:12", "start_time": "29:11", "text": "You develop muscle." }, { "end_time": "29:13", "start_time": "29:12", "text": "That muscle requires protein." }, { "end_time": "29:17", "start_time": "29:14", "text": "The more muscle you have, the higher your metabolic rate is." }, { "end_time": "29:21", "start_time": "29:17", "text": "The higher your metabolic rate, you convert your body into a fat burning machine." }, { "end_time": "29:22", "start_time": "29:21", "text": "And that's what we want." }, { "end_time": "29:23", "start_time": "29:22", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "29:25", "start_time": "29:23", "text": "People have put themselves into a box." }, { "end_time": "29:26", "start_time": "29:25", "text": "So, like, okay." }, { "end_time": "29:27", "start_time": "29:26", "text": "I ate my 3 meals." }, { "end_time": "29:27", "start_time": "29:27", "text": "I exercised." }, { "end_time": "29:28", "start_time": "29:28", "text": "That's it." }, { "end_time": "29:30", "start_time": "29:28", "text": "And I'm sedentary for the rest of the day." }, { "end_time": "29:32", "start_time": "29:30", "text": "But you're not training your metabolic rate." }, { "end_time": "29:38", "start_time": "29:32", "text": "I wanna train a metabolism so that it works for me even while I'm sleeping, even while I'm on a 15 hour flight to New York." }, { "end_time": "29:41", "start_time": "29:38", "text": "My metabolism is working for me." }, { "end_time": "29:43", "start_time": "29:41", "text": "And that's how I make a fat burning machine." }, { "end_time": "29:44", "start_time": "29:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:52", "start_time": "29:44", "text": "You know, again, I think a lot of people know this, but they just don't get to it because the activities seem daunting or it seems like it'll be a lot of work." }, { "end_time": "29:53", "start_time": "29:52", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "29:56", "start_time": "29:53", "text": "The one thing I've learned at age 25 is choose an activity you enjoy." }, { "end_time": "29:57", "start_time": "29:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:57", "start_time": "29:57", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "29:57", "start_time": "29:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:00", "start_time": "29:57", "text": "I discovered football at 25, and it was life changing." }, { "end_time": "30:01", "start_time": "30:00", "text": "And that's great enough exercise." }, { "end_time": "30:01", "start_time": "30:01", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "30:03", "start_time": "30:01", "text": "That's a fantastic exercise." }, { "end_time": "30:07", "start_time": "30:03", "text": "Of course, you know, you know, as everyone ages, you wanna have a more holistic workout." }, { "end_time": "30:10", "start_time": "30:07", "text": "So now with building muscle, I also want mobility." }, { "end_time": "30:11", "start_time": "30:10", "text": "I also want flexibility." }, { "end_time": "30:13", "start_time": "30:12", "text": "Why do you want mobility and flexibility?" }, { "end_time": "30:17", "start_time": "30:13", "text": "Because I can get stronger and more muscle, but I can also get stiffer." }, { "end_time": "30:20", "start_time": "30:17", "text": "And I know that I'm I'm only as young as my spine." }, { "end_time": "30:22", "start_time": "30:20", "text": "So I have really strong people." }, { "end_time": "30:23", "start_time": "30:22", "text": "They can't touch their toes." }, { "end_time": "30:28", "start_time": "30:23", "text": "So you can really predict how their life's gonna be when they're 45 and 50 and 55 Gotcha." }, { "end_time": "30:29", "start_time": "30:28", "text": "With less flexibility." }, { "end_time": "30:30", "start_time": "30:29", "text": "That's your flexibility." }, { "end_time": "30:31", "start_time": "30:30", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "30:34", "start_time": "30:31", "text": "Your your exercise program should be holistic in nature." }, { "end_time": "30:37", "start_time": "30:35", "text": "Lift heavy if you want, but are you also flexible?" }, { "end_time": "30:40", "start_time": "30:37", "text": "Do as much of yoga as you want, but are you also building strength?" }, { "end_time": "30:41", "start_time": "30:41", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "30:44", "start_time": "30:41", "text": "So it's it's all it's everything together that has to work." }, { "end_time": "30:48", "start_time": "30:44", "text": "The other point is, again, with desserts and sugar, don't put yourself into extremes." }, { "end_time": "30:50", "start_time": "30:49", "text": "It's not necessary." }, { "end_time": "30:51", "start_time": "30:50", "text": "And I'll tell you why." }, { "end_time": "30:56", "start_time": "30:51", "text": "My fittest and happiest people starting from age 98 I have clients at 98." }, { "end_time": "30:59", "start_time": "30:56", "text": "96, 95, 70, 80, 60, 50, 40." }, { "end_time": "31:01", "start_time": "30:59", "text": "What are the commonalities in what they do?" }, { "end_time": "31:02", "start_time": "31:01", "text": "They live in balance." }, { "end_time": "31:08", "start_time": "31:02", "text": "They're not in extremes, which means they will have a dessert, their other fundamentals are also right." }, { "end_time": "31:11", "start_time": "31:08", "text": "They're not gonna get consistent with eating the dessert every day." }, { "end_time": "31:14", "start_time": "31:11", "text": "You know, I have I have my my 96 year old patient." }, { "end_time": "31:16", "start_time": "31:14", "text": "She's ex army Indian army." }, { "end_time": "31:20", "start_time": "31:16", "text": "She has 2 pegs of whiskey every day even at the age of 96." }, { "end_time": "31:22", "start_time": "31:20", "text": "She's healthier than most twenties I know." }, { "end_time": "31:26", "start_time": "31:22", "text": "Most people in their twenties because she's kept the fundamentals in place, and she's happy." }, { "end_time": "31:30", "start_time": "31:27", "text": "Today, a lot of people are trying to get fit at the cost of their happiness." }, { "end_time": "31:36", "start_time": "31:30", "text": "They've become so obsessed, and I believe the first ingredient of fat loss, cancer, anything is a happy mind." }, { "end_time": "31:41", "start_time": "31:36", "text": "Because when you're happy, you send you send a message to your body that everything's okay, so you're in homeostasis." }, { "end_time": "31:46", "start_time": "31:42", "text": "Homeostasis is your body's intelligence to fix you, repair you, lose the extra weight." }, { "end_time": "31:49", "start_time": "31:46", "text": "But when I'm in disharmony because, oh, I'm I I feel so deprived." }, { "end_time": "31:50", "start_time": "31:49", "text": "I can't do this." }, { "end_time": "31:51", "start_time": "31:50", "text": "I can't do that." }, { "end_time": "31:54", "start_time": "31:51", "text": "My life is around my workouts, and you're sad." }, { "end_time": "31:55", "start_time": "31:54", "text": "You're not in homeostasis." }, { "end_time": "32:00", "start_time": "31:55", "text": "When there's disharmony, you know, the biorhythm is no matter what you do." }, { "end_time": "32:06", "start_time": "32:00", "text": "And that's why people are constantly punishing themselves with more exercises, which brings me to my next point, overtraining." }, { "end_time": "32:11", "start_time": "32:06", "text": "If you overtrain, you are gonna put on more weight because you're creating a hormonal imbalance." }, { "end_time": "32:13", "start_time": "32:11", "text": "How do you track that yourself?" }, { "end_time": "32:13", "start_time": "32:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:18", "start_time": "32:13", "text": "In terms of I think, honestly, the world of fitness and health in India today is a lot more educated than it was Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:19", "start_time": "32:19", "text": "Even 3 years ago." }, { "end_time": "32:20", "start_time": "32:20", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "32:23", "start_time": "32:20", "text": "Way more educated than it was 7 years ago when I began when no one do anything." }, { "end_time": "32:25", "start_time": "32:23", "text": "Everyone's gone through some sort of training." }, { "end_time": "32:26", "start_time": "32:25", "text": "Everyone's played a sport." }, { "end_time": "32:27", "start_time": "32:26", "text": "Everyone's gone to the gym." }, { "end_time": "32:29", "start_time": "32:27", "text": "How do you take a step back yourself?" }, { "end_time": "32:31", "start_time": "32:29", "text": "Like, what do you spot in your body?" }, { "end_time": "32:31", "start_time": "32:31", "text": "Soreness?" }, { "end_time": "32:31", "start_time": "32:31", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "32:33", "start_time": "32:31", "text": "So number 1, soreness is good." }, { "end_time": "32:37", "start_time": "32:33", "text": "There could be a a DOM effect, which is a delayed onset muscle soreness, which is good." }, { "end_time": "32:38", "start_time": "32:37", "text": "I'm going to the gym after 5 days." }, { "end_time": "32:39", "start_time": "32:38", "text": "I'm doing bicep curls." }, { "end_time": "32:40", "start_time": "32:39", "text": "My biceps are gonna hurt." }, { "end_time": "32:41", "start_time": "32:40", "text": "Good." }, { "end_time": "32:43", "start_time": "32:41", "text": "But the next time I go, it's become stronger." }, { "end_time": "32:49", "start_time": "32:43", "text": "Now the point is if I'm working out, okay, and I wake up tired and fatigued, those same muscles are paining." }, { "end_time": "32:52", "start_time": "32:50", "text": "I need I know, like, I need more food." }, { "end_time": "32:52", "start_time": "32:52", "text": "I need more recovery." }, { "end_time": "32:54", "start_time": "32:52", "text": "I'm getting injured more often." }, { "end_time": "32:55", "start_time": "32:54", "text": "Sprains." }, { "end_time": "32:58", "start_time": "32:55", "text": "Today, it's like, oh, you know, I got a great, physio." }, { "end_time": "32:59", "start_time": "32:58", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "33:01", "start_time": "32:59", "text": "But my point is, why are you getting injured so often?" }, { "end_time": "33:06", "start_time": "33:02", "text": "Part of your workouts is to make you stronger, not to get more injured." }, { "end_time": "33:09", "start_time": "33:06", "text": "I'm playing more football, but I'm getting more injured." }, { "end_time": "33:15", "start_time": "33:09", "text": "So either my nutrition is out or my recovery because my muscles can only grow stronger in a state of recovery." }, { "end_time": "33:18", "start_time": "33:15", "text": "I'd also like to highlight flexibility again in injury prevention." }, { "end_time": "33:19", "start_time": "33:18", "text": "Here you go." }, { "end_time": "33:21", "start_time": "33:19", "text": "So the more flexible the muscle, the more I can train it." }, { "end_time": "33:25", "start_time": "33:21", "text": "That's why your warm ups and cool downs for my body builders, the warm up is 30 minutes." }, { "end_time": "33:27", "start_time": "33:25", "text": "The cool down could be an hour." }, { "end_time": "33:29", "start_time": "33:27", "text": "I mean, we all know Cristiano Ronaldo." }, { "end_time": "33:36", "start_time": "33:29", "text": "After every game for the last how many years, he's the only football player who goes home to recover." }, { "end_time": "33:38", "start_time": "33:36", "text": "Ice bath, Tera gun, recovery." }, { "end_time": "33:39", "start_time": "33:39", "text": "That's it." }, { "end_time": "33:42", "start_time": "33:39", "text": "Because that's what allows him to be stronger the next day." }, { "end_time": "33:45", "start_time": "33:43", "text": "It's apparently what caused this breakup with Irina Shayk." }, { "end_time": "33:51", "start_time": "33:45", "text": "I don't know I don't know about that, but I think it's his level of discipline is fabulous." }, { "end_time": "33:51", "start_time": "33:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:54", "start_time": "33:51", "text": "He wanted time to himself to focus on his recovery." }, { "end_time": "33:58", "start_time": "33:54", "text": "That's how at age 38, he's still one of the top footballers in the world." }, { "end_time": "33:58", "start_time": "33:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:59", "start_time": "33:58", "text": "But, see, that's a sacrifice." }, { "end_time": "34:00", "start_time": "33:59", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "34:04", "start_time": "34:00", "text": "Anyone's success in today's world, you as well, there will be something that you have to sacrifice." }, { "end_time": "34:06", "start_time": "34:04", "text": "Now what is worth sacrificing?" }, { "end_time": "34:09", "start_time": "34:06", "text": "That is where we have to have the wisdom to decide." }, { "end_time": "34:11", "start_time": "34:09", "text": "What is worth or who is worth sacrificing?" }, { "end_time": "34:13", "start_time": "34:11", "text": "But there can be no success without sacrifice." }, { "end_time": "34:14", "start_time": "34:14", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "34:20", "start_time": "34:14", "text": "A lot of people out there on social media pretend, oh, you can do it all and no sacrifice, but there can be it's a law it's like a law of nature." }, { "end_time": "34:23", "start_time": "34:21", "text": "There can be no success without sacrifice." }, { "end_time": "34:23", "start_time": "34:23", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "34:24", "start_time": "34:23", "text": "It's impossible." }, { "end_time": "34:24", "start_time": "34:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:27", "start_time": "34:24", "text": "We spoke about, neuro programming, I think, earlier." }, { "end_time": "34:30", "start_time": "34:28", "text": "Neuroplasticity, neuro patterns." }, { "end_time": "34:31", "start_time": "34:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:31", "start_time": "34:31", "text": "Neuro patterns." }, { "end_time": "34:39", "start_time": "34:31", "text": "I feel the long term kind of call to action here is the account you follow on social media make it more around health, make it more around inspiration." }, { "end_time": "34:41", "start_time": "34:39", "text": "That's what it helped me as well." }, { "end_time": "34:47", "start_time": "34:41", "text": "Like, just getting that much feedback from the social media I was using, you you are gonna end up using it." }, { "end_time": "34:47", "start_time": "34:47", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "34:50", "start_time": "34:47", "text": "Rather follow a Luca Coutinho, rather follow some motivational page." }, { "end_time": "34:51", "start_time": "34:50", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "34:53", "start_time": "34:51", "text": "So that it kind of vials you over time." }, { "end_time": "34:54", "start_time": "34:53", "text": "I agree with that." }, { "end_time": "34:56", "start_time": "34:54", "text": "And I see, I'm never against social media." }, { "end_time": "34:59", "start_time": "34:56", "text": "I think it's a boon, but it's also a massive curse." }, { "end_time": "34:59", "start_time": "34:59", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "35:01", "start_time": "34:59", "text": "But the social social media is not the problem." }, { "end_time": "35:03", "start_time": "35:01", "text": "It's the person using social media." }, { "end_time": "35:10", "start_time": "35:03", "text": "So now my point is, like, today, a lot of people say, Luke, you're with Gurudev, you're with Dashi, you're with all spiritual leaders across all." }, { "end_time": "35:11", "start_time": "35:10", "text": "What's your part?" }, { "end_time": "35:14", "start_time": "35:11", "text": "My part is still open because there's so much to learn from everyone." }, { "end_time": "35:17", "start_time": "35:14", "text": "Take what you need, making sense, do it." }, { "end_time": "35:19", "start_time": "35:17", "text": "The point is the same thing with social media pages." }, { "end_time": "35:20", "start_time": "35:19", "text": "Follow a 100 nutritionists." }, { "end_time": "35:23", "start_time": "35:21", "text": "But finally, what decisions are you making?" }, { "end_time": "35:26", "start_time": "35:23", "text": "Or are these nutritionists or doctors or influencers?" }, { "end_time": "35:30", "start_time": "35:26", "text": "You're so dependent that you have to even have to wake up in the morning and tweet." }, { "end_time": "35:31", "start_time": "35:30", "text": "You know, I feel this." }, { "end_time": "35:33", "start_time": "35:31", "text": "Should I break up with my girlfriend or boyfriend?" }, { "end_time": "35:40", "start_time": "35:33", "text": "I mean, for you to reach a point to our social media, that shows how disconnected you are and how out of control you are with social media." }, { "end_time": "35:45", "start_time": "35:40", "text": "So my point is we, as human beings, will always have the responsibility of empowering ourselves." }, { "end_time": "35:46", "start_time": "35:46", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "35:49", "start_time": "35:46", "text": "So, like, when I meet a lot of my patients follow you, they're inspired." }, { "end_time": "35:51", "start_time": "35:49", "text": "I say, what inspires you?" }, { "end_time": "35:52", "start_time": "35:51", "text": "I always wanna know the why." }, { "end_time": "35:53", "start_time": "35:52", "text": "What inspires you?" }, { "end_time": "35:57", "start_time": "35:53", "text": "He makes it simple, he speaks from his heart, and he speaks sense." }, { "end_time": "35:59", "start_time": "35:57", "text": "Something as simple as that." }, { "end_time": "36:02", "start_time": "35:59", "text": "You've made a connection to patients, my patients, around the world." }, { "end_time": "36:11", "start_time": "36:02", "text": "So the point is there's always something to take away from everyone, but the moment we hand over the remote control of our emotions and logic to the platform on social media, we're puppets." }, { "end_time": "36:11", "start_time": "36:11", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "36:13", "start_time": "36:11", "text": "So social media, again, would be another point." }, { "end_time": "36:15", "start_time": "36:13", "text": "Stop calling social media to lose fat." }, { "end_time": "36:16", "start_time": "36:15", "text": "Ask yourself one thing." }, { "end_time": "36:17", "start_time": "36:16", "text": "Am I disciplined?" }, { "end_time": "36:19", "start_time": "36:17", "text": "Am I consistent with the basics?" }, { "end_time": "36:19", "start_time": "36:19", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "36:22", "start_time": "36:19", "text": "Now I can maybe look for some more complication." }, { "end_time": "36:25", "start_time": "36:22", "text": "But if I'm not, how is social media gonna help me?" }, { "end_time": "36:25", "start_time": "36:25", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "36:31", "start_time": "36:25", "text": "Maybe you wanna follow accounts that then probably motivate you and inspire you, but you don't need more nutrition advice if you're not doing the basics." }, { "end_time": "36:34", "start_time": "36:31", "text": "You don't need more exercise advice if you're not doing the basics." }, { "end_time": "36:35", "start_time": "36:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:37", "start_time": "36:36", "text": "Do you have any last point?" }, { "end_time": "36:44", "start_time": "36:39", "text": "I think whatever you do for fat loss, okay, I know we wanna look good today, all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "36:51", "start_time": "36:44", "text": "And my point is while you're also aiming towards building that body, ask yourself every day, am I also building happiness?" }, { "end_time": "36:57", "start_time": "36:52", "text": "Because I I'll tell you I have some of the thinnest people and the most amazing physiques depressed." }, { "end_time": "37:00", "start_time": "36:58", "text": "What's the point of a great body?" }, { "end_time": "37:01", "start_time": "37:00", "text": "What's the point?" }, { "end_time": "37:04", "start_time": "37:01", "text": "Are you just eye candy, but you go home and you're miserable, you're depressed?" }, { "end_time": "37:07", "start_time": "37:04", "text": "So my point is lose that weight, but are you also building happiness?" }, { "end_time": "37:11", "start_time": "37:07", "text": "Or have you said that when I lose weight, I'll be happy?" }, { "end_time": "37:15", "start_time": "37:12", "text": "Then you've put a condition, and you are always gonna be miserable." }, { "end_time": "37:17", "start_time": "37:15", "text": "So What's the CTA right now?" }, { "end_time": "37:18", "start_time": "37:17", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "37:19", "start_time": "37:18", "text": "Is it meditation?" }, { "end_time": "37:21", "start_time": "37:19", "text": "Like, is it I would use 2 words." }, { "end_time": "37:21", "start_time": "37:21", "text": "3, actually." }, { "end_time": "37:24", "start_time": "37:22", "text": "Meditation, mindfulness, reflection." }, { "end_time": "37:28", "start_time": "37:24", "text": "I'll give a choice of 3 things because they're both beautiful, powerful." }, { "end_time": "37:31", "start_time": "37:28", "text": "They're actually all the same in different ways, but some people, I can't meditate." }, { "end_time": "37:31", "start_time": "37:31", "text": "Can you reflect?" }, { "end_time": "37:32", "start_time": "37:31", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "37:33", "start_time": "37:32", "text": "Start with reflection." }, { "end_time": "37:33", "start_time": "37:33", "text": "You mean writing?" }, { "end_time": "37:35", "start_time": "37:34", "text": "When Writing, thinking, reflecting." }, { "end_time": "37:36", "start_time": "37:35", "text": "Doesn't matter." }, { "end_time": "37:38", "start_time": "37:36", "text": "Just sitting in one place and thinking about Yeah." }, { "end_time": "37:39", "start_time": "37:38", "text": "Reflect on your day." }, { "end_time": "37:48", "start_time": "37:39", "text": "Like, if we all right now reflect on everything that's happened from morning till now, I'm gonna also pick up the bad things, but I'm also gonna pick up the good things." }, { "end_time": "37:50", "start_time": "37:48", "text": "Now that allows me to be grateful." }, { "end_time": "37:52", "start_time": "37:51", "text": "Whereas people are like, gratitude, Luke." }, { "end_time": "37:54", "start_time": "37:52", "text": "I say, show me your gratitude journal." }, { "end_time": "37:54", "start_time": "37:54", "text": "I'm grateful." }, { "end_time": "37:55", "start_time": "37:54", "text": "I have a family." }, { "end_time": "37:56", "start_time": "37:55", "text": "I'm grateful every day." }, { "end_time": "37:57", "start_time": "37:56", "text": "I said, go deeper." }, { "end_time": "38:00", "start_time": "37:57", "text": "You can only go deeper if you're reflecting on what's gone well for you." }, { "end_time": "38:03", "start_time": "38:00", "text": "Because we spoke about weight loss in so much detail I'm sorry." }, { "end_time": "38:09", "start_time": "38:03", "text": "Fat loss in so much detail, can we talk a little bit about what the Internet calls weight gain as well?" }, { "end_time": "38:10", "start_time": "38:09", "text": "So, Rad, absolutely." }, { "end_time": "38:11", "start_time": "38:10", "text": "So weight gain." }, { "end_time": "38:12", "start_time": "38:11", "text": "Weight gain, a lot of people." }, { "end_time": "38:14", "start_time": "38:12", "text": "I know everyone talks about weight loss and stuff." }, { "end_time": "38:16", "start_time": "38:14", "text": "So, again, there are many ways to do it." }, { "end_time": "38:20", "start_time": "38:16", "text": "Why don't we we I mean, I think a lot of people on the Internet kind of know the science." }, { "end_time": "38:21", "start_time": "38:20", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "38:25", "start_time": "38:21", "text": "There's countless videos about it, but, again, let's highlight 5 mistakes when it comes to weight gain." }, { "end_time": "38:26", "start_time": "38:25", "text": "That's what people don't understand." }, { "end_time": "38:27", "start_time": "38:26", "text": "Eating everything." }, { "end_time": "38:29", "start_time": "38:27", "text": "They think I should eat everything to put on weight." }, { "end_time": "38:32", "start_time": "38:29", "text": "You put on a lot of bad fat, cholesterol, and all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "38:34", "start_time": "38:32", "text": "You gotta eat the right foods, the right macros." }, { "end_time": "38:36", "start_time": "38:34", "text": "So one way is, of course, building muscle." }, { "end_time": "38:39", "start_time": "38:36", "text": "For building muscle, I'll need more of the protein macro." }, { "end_time": "38:41", "start_time": "38:39", "text": "I'll also need to up my carbs, but then there's the quality." }, { "end_time": "38:43", "start_time": "38:42", "text": "So people have tubs of ice cream." }, { "end_time": "38:49", "start_time": "38:43", "text": "They will put on bad weight on the scale, but you can put on good weight by also having the right quality of carbohydrates." }, { "end_time": "38:51", "start_time": "38:49", "text": "So portions are going to change." }, { "end_time": "38:53", "start_time": "38:51", "text": "2, again, understand your body type." }, { "end_time": "38:54", "start_time": "38:53", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "38:59", "start_time": "38:54", "text": "If you have a history of thin people in your family, you probably wouldn't become the big bulked up guy." }, { "end_time": "39:02", "start_time": "38:59", "text": "But you can add more muscle, aesthetics again." }, { "end_time": "39:06", "start_time": "39:02", "text": "So I may appear thin, but by adding on more muscle, I appear to be bigger." }, { "end_time": "39:09", "start_time": "39:06", "text": "Posture, very important." }, { "end_time": "39:11", "start_time": "39:09", "text": "So some most people have a bent back." }, { "end_time": "39:13", "start_time": "39:11", "text": "If I improve my posture, I look bigger." }, { "end_time": "39:15", "start_time": "39:14", "text": "My my chest opens." }, { "end_time": "39:16", "start_time": "39:15", "text": "Everything works that way." }, { "end_time": "39:21", "start_time": "39:16", "text": "Say that, posture can only be improved through self mental checks." }, { "end_time": "39:23", "start_time": "39:21", "text": "Like, when you notice yourself slouching, you gotta Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "39:24", "start_time": "39:23", "text": "That's the only way it fits." }, { "end_time": "39:25", "start_time": "39:24", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "39:27", "start_time": "39:25", "text": "Because we've trained our body to sit that particular way." }, { "end_time": "39:27", "start_time": "39:27", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "39:30", "start_time": "39:27", "text": "I can do all the yoga in the world, but, again, my body will go." }, { "end_time": "39:38", "start_time": "39:30", "text": "But, again, over time, if I'm consistent with my practice of, you know, yoga and strengthening, it's I hunch because my upper back muscles are weak." }, { "end_time": "39:38", "start_time": "39:38", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "39:43", "start_time": "39:38", "text": "As I strengthen them and train my body, a new neural pattern gets so it is possible after a while." }, { "end_time": "39:44", "start_time": "39:43", "text": "You don't even have to do self checks." }, { "end_time": "39:46", "start_time": "39:44", "text": "Your posture is already gonna be changed." }, { "end_time": "39:46", "start_time": "39:46", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "39:49", "start_time": "39:46", "text": "So not a mistake with with people trying to gain weight." }, { "end_time": "39:50", "start_time": "39:49", "text": "They're doing cardio." }, { "end_time": "39:55", "start_time": "39:51", "text": "You gotta do more of weight training and maybe no no cardio at all." }, { "end_time": "40:00", "start_time": "39:56", "text": "No cardio at all while you're starting to gain weight and be patient with the process." }, { "end_time": "40:04", "start_time": "40:00", "text": "Most people are impatient, so they move from supplement to supplement to supplement and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "40:06", "start_time": "40:04", "text": "Do you have anything to say about mask gainers?" }, { "end_time": "40:08", "start_time": "40:06", "text": "Mask gainers can be well used." }, { "end_time": "40:10", "start_time": "40:08", "text": "But, again, you gotta read the label." }, { "end_time": "40:17", "start_time": "40:11", "text": "You know, some mask gainers have 5 different kinds of oils loaded with sugar because they know people wanna put on weight." }, { "end_time": "40:18", "start_time": "40:17", "text": "They don't care about sugar." }, { "end_time": "40:19", "start_time": "40:18", "text": "But what is that doing?" }, { "end_time": "40:22", "start_time": "40:19", "text": "It's creating insulin resistance in a lot of people." }, { "end_time": "40:24", "start_time": "40:22", "text": "Which in the long term will create problems." }, { "end_time": "40:25", "start_time": "40:24", "text": "You're gonna have the wrong fat." }, { "end_time": "40:29", "start_time": "40:25", "text": "You're gonna have the wrong fat, the midriff fat, the love handles, all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "40:34", "start_time": "40:30", "text": "But muscle can make the body look different and increase your body weight." }, { "end_time": "40:35", "start_time": "40:34", "text": "What do you mean wrong fat?" }, { "end_time": "40:35", "start_time": "40:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "40:36", "start_time": "40:35", "text": "Wrong fat." }, { "end_time": "40:40", "start_time": "40:36", "text": "Like, we don't wanna have fat which is estrogen dominant, okay, where my body's storing estrogen." }, { "end_time": "40:43", "start_time": "40:40", "text": "You're you're opening up a whole portal for me, mister Kootina." }, { "end_time": "40:45", "start_time": "40:43", "text": "Like, what do you so what's the right fat?" }, { "end_time": "40:46", "start_time": "40:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "40:49", "start_time": "40:46", "text": "So so, like, you know, when we break it down into women and men." }, { "end_time": "40:53", "start_time": "40:49", "text": "Like, why do women find it a little bit more challenging to lose body fat?" }, { "end_time": "41:03", "start_time": "40:54", "text": "Because they wanna look good, which is fine, but your the the body wants to hold on to fat because the body doesn't know when you're deciding to get pregnant." }, { "end_time": "41:05", "start_time": "41:03", "text": "We're still talking survival and evolution." }, { "end_time": "41:05", "start_time": "41:05", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "41:07", "start_time": "41:05", "text": "The conscious mind is, I don't wanna get pregnant." }, { "end_time": "41:08", "start_time": "41:07", "text": "I don't have kids." }, { "end_time": "41:08", "start_time": "41:08", "text": "Fine." }, { "end_time": "41:09", "start_time": "41:08", "text": "That's what you want." }, { "end_time": "41:16", "start_time": "41:09", "text": "But your body, you're still having a period cycle every month, which means the fact that you're having a period cycle means your body's preparing you to get pregnant." }, { "end_time": "41:19", "start_time": "41:16", "text": "You don't get pregnant, and you get a period the next month." }, { "end_time": "41:20", "start_time": "41:19", "text": "You get pregnant, it stops." }, { "end_time": "41:20", "start_time": "41:20", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "41:23", "start_time": "41:20", "text": "The point is no one everyone forgets that intelligence." }, { "end_time": "41:29", "start_time": "41:23", "text": "Secondly, a woman's body will hold more fat because a lot of vitamins needed for childbirth are fat soluble." }, { "end_time": "41:37", "start_time": "41:30", "text": "So a lot of women who lose weight too quickly or become too thin, skinny thin, have infertility issues." }, { "end_time": "41:39", "start_time": "41:37", "text": "The body will not allow you to get pregnant." }, { "end_time": "41:40", "start_time": "41:39", "text": "Very difficult." }, { "end_time": "41:41", "start_time": "41:41", "text": "Very difficult." }, { "end_time": "41:43", "start_time": "41:41", "text": "So you need some amount of fat." }, { "end_time": "41:44", "start_time": "41:43", "text": "And, again, it comes to perception." }, { "end_time": "41:48", "start_time": "41:44", "text": "You know, why has the world demonized fat in such a way?" }, { "end_time": "42:01", "start_time": "41:48", "text": "Sometimes the body, when you're struggling to lose fat, the body's holding on for it for certain reasons to maintain a particular body temperature for more vitamin absorption, which is why I always tell you, if you're deficient in vitamin d 3, you are storing more body fat." }, { "end_time": "42:02", "start_time": "42:02", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "42:02", "start_time": "42:02", "text": "You are." }, { "end_time": "42:03", "start_time": "42:02", "text": "That's how the body works." }, { "end_time": "42:09", "start_time": "42:03", "text": "In cold countries, you tend to put on weight before winter to store more vitamin d, which you won't get when there's no sun." }, { "end_time": "42:09", "start_time": "42:09", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "42:11", "start_time": "42:09", "text": "So evolution is never gonna change." }, { "end_time": "42:12", "start_time": "42:11", "text": "These things are not gonna change." }, { "end_time": "42:16", "start_time": "42:12", "text": "But these are the things people are battling with when it comes to fat." }, { "end_time": "42:18", "start_time": "42:16", "text": "So women and men are built differently." }, { "end_time": "42:20", "start_time": "42:18", "text": "Women can achieve anything that men achieve." }, { "end_time": "42:22", "start_time": "42:20", "text": "I'm not talking about that, but we're built differently." }, { "end_time": "42:25", "start_time": "42:22", "text": "That's why we have more testosterone, they have more estrogen." }, { "end_time": "42:29", "start_time": "42:25", "text": "But today, men have more estrogen, and that's why we have breast cancer in men." }, { "end_time": "42:32", "start_time": "42:29", "text": "We have big pot bellies that don't go even if you're exercising." }, { "end_time": "42:33", "start_time": "42:32", "text": "Breast cancer in men." }, { "end_time": "42:33", "start_time": "42:33", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "42:34", "start_time": "42:33", "text": "We're treating patients." }, { "end_time": "42:36", "start_time": "42:34", "text": "In India, it used to be a big thing in the US." }, { "end_time": "42:40", "start_time": "42:36", "text": "We've seen breast cancer patients in the US men for the last 7 to 8 years." }, { "end_time": "42:44", "start_time": "42:40", "text": "The last 3 years in India, we're seeing a rise in breast cancer in men." }, { "end_time": "42:45", "start_time": "42:44", "text": "Again, man boobs." }, { "end_time": "42:46", "start_time": "42:45", "text": "How's it growing?" }, { "end_time": "42:46", "start_time": "42:46", "text": "Estrogen." }, { "end_time": "42:49", "start_time": "42:47", "text": "That's what grows women's breast." }, { "end_time": "42:54", "start_time": "42:49", "text": "But it's growing in men because we have less testosterone, which we should actually have more than a woman." }, { "end_time": "42:55", "start_time": "42:54", "text": "How do you balance it out?" }, { "end_time": "42:57", "start_time": "42:55", "text": "Again, raw foods Exercise." }, { "end_time": "42:57", "start_time": "42:57", "text": "Well rounded." }, { "end_time": "43:00", "start_time": "42:57", "text": "Exercise, stress, sleep, all of these." }, { "end_time": "43:01", "start_time": "43:00", "text": "But India has found a better way." }, { "end_time": "43:04", "start_time": "43:01", "text": "Testosterone injections, growth hormones." }, { "end_time": "43:05", "start_time": "43:04", "text": "But still, they can't." }, { "end_time": "43:08", "start_time": "43:05", "text": "Every second day, I have some top person." }, { "end_time": "43:08", "start_time": "43:08", "text": "Hey, Luke." }, { "end_time": "43:09", "start_time": "43:08", "text": "I've lost my libido." }, { "end_time": "43:10", "start_time": "43:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "43:12", "start_time": "43:10", "text": "My first question is, are you pumping yourself with GH?" }, { "end_time": "43:13", "start_time": "43:12", "text": "Are you taking testosterone?" }, { "end_time": "43:13", "start_time": "43:13", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "43:14", "start_time": "43:13", "text": "You mean steroids?" }, { "end_time": "43:15", "start_time": "43:14", "text": "It's not really a steroid." }, { "end_time": "43:17", "start_time": "43:15", "text": "It's it's different from a steroid." }, { "end_time": "43:18", "start_time": "43:17", "text": "You have anabolic and you have testosterone." }, { "end_time": "43:25", "start_time": "43:19", "text": "So if I'm weight training today or you're weight training, and we take a couple of testosterone injections, you're you're gonna be a different person in 10 days." }, { "end_time": "43:27", "start_time": "43:26", "text": "What do you mean different person?" }, { "end_time": "43:27", "start_time": "43:27", "text": "Huge." }, { "end_time": "43:28", "start_time": "43:28", "text": "And mentally?" }, { "end_time": "43:30", "start_time": "43:29", "text": "Mentally charged." }, { "end_time": "43:32", "start_time": "43:31", "text": "A false sense of libido." }, { "end_time": "43:34", "start_time": "43:33", "text": "But the moment False sense of libido." }, { "end_time": "43:35", "start_time": "43:35", "text": "You're driven." }, { "end_time": "43:36", "start_time": "43:35", "text": "You're driven." }, { "end_time": "43:36", "start_time": "43:36", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "43:41", "start_time": "43:36", "text": "The moment you stop that, even if you had a great libido, you're gonna feel." }, { "end_time": "43:42", "start_time": "43:41", "text": "Because it's like porn." }, { "end_time": "43:44", "start_time": "43:43", "text": "You think, wow, when I'm watching porn." }, { "end_time": "43:49", "start_time": "43:44", "text": "But when you actually try to do that and all, most people fail in bed, erectile dysfunction." }, { "end_time": "43:49", "start_time": "43:49", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "43:51", "start_time": "43:49", "text": "They're trying to be something that was not actually possible." }, { "end_time": "43:52", "start_time": "43:51", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "43:55", "start_time": "43:52", "text": "So now you have a false sense sense of sexual energy, and you fail." }, { "end_time": "43:56", "start_time": "43:55", "text": "You can't get it up." }, { "end_time": "43:56", "start_time": "43:56", "text": "Can't keep it up." }, { "end_time": "43:59", "start_time": "43:56", "text": "So the point is with all of this, yes, some people need it." }, { "end_time": "44:01", "start_time": "43:59", "text": "It's their livelihood in movies and stuff." }, { "end_time": "44:01", "start_time": "44:01", "text": "I agree." }, { "end_time": "44:03", "start_time": "44:01", "text": "And they do it in a disciplined way." }, { "end_time": "44:04", "start_time": "44:03", "text": "They clean their systems." }, { "end_time": "44:09", "start_time": "44:04", "text": "There's But today, you have average people in Andheri Bandra all over who can buy this." }, { "end_time": "44:13", "start_time": "44:10", "text": "And you look around and you see all these bodies changing instantly." }, { "end_time": "44:15", "start_time": "44:13", "text": "And what do they come to us for?" }, { "end_time": "44:17", "start_time": "44:15", "text": "Libido problems and insecurity issues." }, { "end_time": "44:21", "start_time": "44:18", "text": "Because now all of a sudden sudden, you're giving your partner the best sex." }, { "end_time": "44:23", "start_time": "44:21", "text": "You're pumped up on testosterone and all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "44:24", "start_time": "44:23", "text": "Now you finished your cycle." }, { "end_time": "44:25", "start_time": "44:24", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "44:27", "start_time": "44:25", "text": "You don't feel that vigor that you would with a shot." }, { "end_time": "44:32", "start_time": "44:27", "text": "And psychologically, you feel that, you know, I'm not performing anymore." }, { "end_time": "44:35", "start_time": "44:32", "text": "But people can just buy these drugs from a chemist?" }, { "end_time": "44:36", "start_time": "44:35", "text": "It's totally unregulated." }, { "end_time": "44:37", "start_time": "44:37", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "44:37", "start_time": "44:37", "text": "Unregulated." }, { "end_time": "44:39", "start_time": "44:37", "text": "There's a whole black market for it." }, { "end_time": "44:42", "start_time": "44:39", "text": "Forget about the chemist, but you have a whole black market for it." }, { "end_time": "44:44", "start_time": "44:42", "text": "Gym trainers are part of this?" }, { "end_time": "44:45", "start_time": "44:44", "text": "You can't really say that." }, { "end_time": "44:47", "start_time": "44:45", "text": "Today, people get it through their own sources." }, { "end_time": "44:49", "start_time": "44:48", "text": "You can't blame anyone for it." }, { "end_time": "44:49", "start_time": "44:49", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "44:50", "start_time": "44:49", "text": "Anyone for it." }, { "end_time": "44:51", "start_time": "44:50", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "44:51", "start_time": "44:51", "text": "That's how it is." }, { "end_time": "44:53", "start_time": "44:51", "text": "What can you blame culturally?" }, { "end_time": "44:55", "start_time": "44:54", "text": "Perception and social media." }, { "end_time": "44:59", "start_time": "44:56", "text": "I'll tell you almost everybody that people are showing on social media." }, { "end_time": "45:04", "start_time": "44:59", "text": "When I see them in real life, I'm like, who are you, man?" }, { "end_time": "45:05", "start_time": "45:04", "text": "I mean, who are you?" }, { "end_time": "45:06", "start_time": "45:05", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "45:07", "start_time": "45:06", "text": "Spicy question." }, { "end_time": "45:07", "start_time": "45:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:08", "start_time": "45:07", "text": "Feel free not to answer." }, { "end_time": "45:10", "start_time": "45:08", "text": "Feel free to go as deep as you wish." }, { "end_time": "45:11", "start_time": "45:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:18", "start_time": "45:12", "text": "The world of Hollywood, Bollywood, Tollywood, Nollywood, all these places, is there rampant steroid use?" }, { "end_time": "45:21", "start_time": "45:19", "text": "It's also in the sports world if we're gonna say that." }, { "end_time": "45:21", "start_time": "45:21", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "45:21", "start_time": "45:21", "text": "Really?" }, { "end_time": "45:24", "start_time": "45:21", "text": "It's also see, it's every and and we we can't actually say that." }, { "end_time": "45:24", "start_time": "45:24", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "45:25", "start_time": "45:24", "text": "It is." }, { "end_time": "45:26", "start_time": "45:25", "text": "I wouldn't say rampant." }, { "end_time": "45:27", "start_time": "45:26", "text": "It's cut down hugely." }, { "end_time": "45:28", "start_time": "45:27", "text": "How do I know that?" }, { "end_time": "45:34", "start_time": "45:28", "text": "Because we have so much of Bollywood, so many football players, a listers, cricket players coming to us, they wanna do it the right way." }, { "end_time": "45:35", "start_time": "45:34", "text": "So it is changing." }, { "end_time": "45:39", "start_time": "45:35", "text": "Maybe this was the case a couple of years ago, but people are like, look, I don't wanna do it this way." }, { "end_time": "45:40", "start_time": "45:40", "text": "I wanna do it." }, { "end_time": "45:44", "start_time": "45:40", "text": "We have we have film producers calling up and saying, look, we're sending you these clients." }, { "end_time": "45:45", "start_time": "45:44", "text": "They wanna do it the natural way." }, { "end_time": "45:46", "start_time": "45:45", "text": "Can we do this?" }, { "end_time": "45:47", "start_time": "45:46", "text": "How long do you think it'll take?" }, { "end_time": "45:48", "start_time": "45:47", "text": "So there is a change." }, { "end_time": "45:51", "start_time": "45:48", "text": "The bigger problem are the average Joes." }, { "end_time": "45:51", "start_time": "45:51", "text": "Not Hollywood." }, { "end_time": "45:52", "start_time": "45:51", "text": "Hollywood." }, { "end_time": "45:55", "start_time": "45:52", "text": "It's the people who have excessive money who can go and buy these things." }, { "end_time": "45:56", "start_time": "45:56", "text": "Normal people." }, { "end_time": "45:58", "start_time": "45:56", "text": "Office going people." }, { "end_time": "46:00", "start_time": "45:58", "text": "But that's because they're influenced by the culture." }, { "end_time": "46:01", "start_time": "46:00", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "46:03", "start_time": "46:01", "text": "Why did you mention sports?" }, { "end_time": "46:05", "start_time": "46:03", "text": "Because we have sports people." }, { "end_time": "46:06", "start_time": "46:05", "text": "In between, they wanna look good." }, { "end_time": "46:13", "start_time": "46:06", "text": "Because today, you're getting all of your contracts and you're getting all of your social media ads and your ads based on also how you look." }, { "end_time": "46:13", "start_time": "46:13", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "46:16", "start_time": "46:13", "text": "So they wanna maintain bodies right through." }, { "end_time": "46:17", "start_time": "46:16", "text": "And it's an easy way." }, { "end_time": "46:17", "start_time": "46:17", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "46:20", "start_time": "46:17", "text": "A lot of people today don't wanna put in the hard work." }, { "end_time": "46:22", "start_time": "46:20", "text": "That's why there are good players and great players." }, { "end_time": "46:30", "start_time": "46:23", "text": "And then there are mediocre players and players who die out, you know, in 1, 2 years because it's lacking the discipline and hard work." }, { "end_time": "46:35", "start_time": "46:30", "text": "And it definitely affects your performance positively as in steroids can be Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "46:38", "start_time": "46:35", "text": "Your reaction time, the amount of power you can generate in a shot." }, { "end_time": "46:39", "start_time": "46:38", "text": "That's why it's banned in sports." }, { "end_time": "46:39", "start_time": "46:39", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "46:42", "start_time": "46:39", "text": "Because you can lose an entire game because of that." }, { "end_time": "46:44", "start_time": "46:42", "text": "You think people get away with it?" }, { "end_time": "46:45", "start_time": "46:44", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "46:46", "start_time": "46:45", "text": "I think it's become much more stricter." }, { "end_time": "46:53", "start_time": "46:46", "text": "But today, at this point in my life, I with what is happening in the world, I believe that ethics is at its lowest." }, { "end_time": "46:56", "start_time": "46:54", "text": "People can get away with anything today." }, { "end_time": "46:57", "start_time": "46:56", "text": "The largest organizations." }, { "end_time": "47:03", "start_time": "46:57", "text": "When you look at frauds happening in companies where you would never dream it can happen, what hope is there for, you know, everyone else?" }, { "end_time": "47:06", "start_time": "47:03", "text": "It is possible because there are weak links everywhere." }, { "end_time": "47:15", "start_time": "47:07", "text": "You know, so back when we used to just create fitness videos, I knew that the audience wanted to know a lot more about Bollywood steroid use." }, { "end_time": "47:15", "start_time": "47:15", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "47:19", "start_time": "47:15", "text": "And a lot of other fitness YouTubers are also making videos around that." }, { "end_time": "47:24", "start_time": "47:19", "text": "When I actually got into reading about steroid usage, what I figured is there's a technique to do it." }, { "end_time": "47:25", "start_time": "47:24", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "47:29", "start_time": "47:25", "text": "And you can do it and still, in the long term, remain healthy if you follow that technique." }, { "end_time": "47:30", "start_time": "47:29", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "47:31", "start_time": "47:30", "text": "I have a couple of questions for you." }, { "end_time": "47:36", "start_time": "47:31", "text": "1, let's just shed some light on this correct technique of using steroids." }, { "end_time": "47:39", "start_time": "47:36", "text": "Because in some cases, it can even boost your health." }, { "end_time": "47:39", "start_time": "47:39", "text": "Correct." }, { "end_time": "47:41", "start_time": "47:39", "text": "Which is strange to say, but there's science behind this." }, { "end_time": "47:41", "start_time": "47:41", "text": "Sure can." }, { "end_time": "47:43", "start_time": "47:41", "text": "I mean, let let's go to the medical world." }, { "end_time": "47:51", "start_time": "47:43", "text": "You'll use a steroid to actually help you relieve a pain or relax your immune system when it's autoimmune and it's attacking you and causing a potential damage." }, { "end_time": "47:53", "start_time": "47:52", "text": "So steroid is good and is bad." }, { "end_time": "47:56", "start_time": "47:53", "text": "So it can definitely bring a lot of improvement." }, { "end_time": "48:03", "start_time": "47:56", "text": "I I know some people who were using it, for their livelihood, I mean, because they had to build a particular body, and all of a sudden, their their skin issues disappeared while using it." }, { "end_time": "48:03", "start_time": "48:03", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "48:06", "start_time": "48:03", "text": "Skin issues like Like, they had, like, a patch of dark skin or psoriasis or eczema or a patch on their neck." }, { "end_time": "48:15", "start_time": "48:06", "text": "It disappeared while they were using a steroid because the steroid actually relaxed their immune system, which was actually causing the skin issue." }, { "end_time": "48:16", "start_time": "48:15", "text": "Gotcha." }, { "end_time": "48:17", "start_time": "48:16", "text": "So, see, there's a right way." }, { "end_time": "48:18", "start_time": "48:17", "text": "There are right people." }, { "end_time": "48:23", "start_time": "48:18", "text": "There are sports nutritionists and physiologists who are trained on tapering it off." }, { "end_time": "48:25", "start_time": "48:23", "text": "A steroid has to be tapered off." }, { "end_time": "48:29", "start_time": "48:25", "text": "It has to be gradually, you know, built into your system." }, { "end_time": "48:33", "start_time": "48:29", "text": "You have to do your ECGs, your 2 d echoes to check, you know, how it's suiting you." }, { "end_time": "48:36", "start_time": "48:33", "text": "It has to be in relation to how much of weight you're lifting." }, { "end_time": "48:40", "start_time": "48:36", "text": "So there is a science behind it, and that's why they can come out of it the safe way." }, { "end_time": "48:41", "start_time": "48:40", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "48:45", "start_time": "48:41", "text": "And then there there's a break system for them to clean out their systems and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "48:46", "start_time": "48:45", "text": "So that's how it is." }, { "end_time": "48:50", "start_time": "48:46", "text": "Again, I'm oversimplifying a very complex topic, which we actually covered in the video." }, { "end_time": "48:51", "start_time": "48:50", "text": "We'll link that below." }, { "end_time": "48:59", "start_time": "48:51", "text": "It was the whole steroid angle in terms of how do you do this, what's it called, post something therapy, post steroid therapy." }, { "end_time": "49:00", "start_time": "49:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:03", "start_time": "49:00", "text": "That's your tapering off when you finish how you're flushing out your system." }, { "end_time": "49:03", "start_time": "49:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:05", "start_time": "49:03", "text": "So, yeah, the whole flush out." }, { "end_time": "49:07", "start_time": "49:05", "text": "So, we made a detailed video on it." }, { "end_time": "49:12", "start_time": "49:07", "text": "Long story short, when you put a steroid inside your body, and please correct me if I'm wrong, Lou, you're the expert here." }, { "end_time": "49:21", "start_time": "49:12", "text": "When you put a steroid inside your body, it's also kind of creating a bit of a load on different organs of your body, including your scalp, including your hairline, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "49:27", "start_time": "49:22", "text": "You need to take medicines that are balanced out those bad effects while you're on steroids or while you're coming off." }, { "end_time": "49:30", "start_time": "49:27", "text": "So that's the kind of medical side of steroids." }, { "end_time": "49:38", "start_time": "49:30", "text": "Then there's whole nutrition side where it basically what it does in your digestive system is that it gives you an ability to increase your protein absorption." }, { "end_time": "49:38", "start_time": "49:38", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "49:39", "start_time": "49:38", "text": "It does." }, { "end_time": "49:49", "start_time": "49:39", "text": "So you can probably say if non steroidal body, in the natural body, maybe you're capable of absorbing 200 grams of protein, which is still a huge amount of protein." }, { "end_time": "49:52", "start_time": "49:49", "text": "With steroidal, suddenly you can absorb 400 grams, which is double." }, { "end_time": "49:56", "start_time": "49:53", "text": "So obviously your muscles are kind of getting more fuel." }, { "end_time": "49:58", "start_time": "49:56", "text": "3rd, your muscle recovery is much faster." }, { "end_time": "50:09", "start_time": "49:59", "text": "And 4, normally when we're training people, when we're putting them through weight training, we stop our workouts at maybe 1 hour, maybe 1 and a half hours sometimes." }, { "end_time": "50:15", "start_time": "50:09", "text": "Because post that 1 and a half hour mark, cortisol levels spike up in your bloodstream, which is your stress hormone." }, { "end_time": "50:21", "start_time": "50:15", "text": "And it actually does more damage to your process of gaining muscle than, you know, the effort you put in to gain the muscle." }, { "end_time": "50:30", "start_time": "50:21", "text": "But once you're on a steroid cycle, I believe it kind of alters your cortisol levels in such a way that you can take your workout to 2 and a half, 3 hours easy." }, { "end_time": "50:30", "start_time": "50:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "50:32", "start_time": "50:30", "text": "And therefore you're putting in more load in the gym." }, { "end_time": "50:37", "start_time": "50:32", "text": "You're fueling it with more protein, and you're medically balancing your body out." }, { "end_time": "50:37", "start_time": "50:37", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "50:39", "start_time": "50:37", "text": "So is this like a raw kind of Yeah." }, { "end_time": "50:41", "start_time": "50:39", "text": "See, it is indirectly." }, { "end_time": "50:41", "start_time": "50:41", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "50:47", "start_time": "50:41", "text": "Like, see, if you and I are not taking steroids, which we don't, our body's producing steroids in its own way." }, { "end_time": "50:52", "start_time": "50:47", "text": "That's how people realize you can pharmaceutically make a steroid because it's in the body." }, { "end_time": "50:53", "start_time": "50:52", "text": "We have receptors." }, { "end_time": "50:53", "start_time": "50:53", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "50:56", "start_time": "50:53", "text": "Now the moment I start taking external, there's a external steroid." }, { "end_time": "50:59", "start_time": "50:56", "text": "There is a burden because my kidneys have to work better." }, { "end_time": "51:05", "start_time": "50:59", "text": "My liver, my heart, your heart rate goes up when you take steroids, which is why you need to do an ECG, you need to do a 2 d echo." }, { "end_time": "51:10", "start_time": "51:05", "text": "So I have I have clients, obviously, because of my clientele who do it, but they're doing it the right way." }, { "end_time": "51:15", "start_time": "51:10", "text": "So while they're on a steroid, my job is to look after the side effects, make sure they're prepared to take it." }, { "end_time": "51:17", "start_time": "51:15", "text": "They've gone through all their tests." }, { "end_time": "51:20", "start_time": "51:17", "text": "Help them in the flushing process so they don't lose their hair." }, { "end_time": "51:25", "start_time": "51:20", "text": "A lot of people today, you see young people pumped up with blotches of, you know, missing hair." }, { "end_time": "51:25", "start_time": "51:25", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "51:26", "start_time": "51:25", "text": "Because like you said, the hairline." }, { "end_time": "51:31", "start_time": "51:26", "text": "But while they're on it, we're calculating the amount of biotin that we need to give them, which is needed for hair." }, { "end_time": "51:33", "start_time": "51:31", "text": "So every medicine so that's what we do." }, { "end_time": "51:36", "start_time": "51:33", "text": "Integrated medicine is, don't you need chemo, take it." }, { "end_time": "51:38", "start_time": "51:36", "text": "But we need to balance the side effects." }, { "end_time": "51:49", "start_time": "51:38", "text": "While chemo is flushing out a vitamins and b vitamins and whatever and class a protein, we need to be putting it back in your system so that the chemo is only for your cancer, and it's not destroying you in any other way." }, { "end_time": "51:49", "start_time": "51:49", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "51:50", "start_time": "51:49", "text": "So it's the same thing with steroids." }, { "end_time": "51:56", "start_time": "51:50", "text": "It's managing the side effects with nutrition, lifestyle, and sometimes certain medications as well have to work with steroids." }, { "end_time": "51:57", "start_time": "51:56", "text": "I kind of feel bad for the acting world sometimes, and this is both I'm not just talking about India." }, { "end_time": "51:59", "start_time": "51:57", "text": "I'm talking about the world sometimes, and this is both." }, { "end_time": "52:00", "start_time": "51:59", "text": "I'm not just talking about India." }, { "end_time": "52:01", "start_time": "52:00", "text": "I'm talking about the world." }, { "end_time": "52:01", "start_time": "52:01", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:03", "start_time": "52:01", "text": "We know that top international movie stars are definitely on some sort of side." }, { "end_time": "52:07", "start_time": "52:03", "text": "I think if you're gym enough, you get to know who's using it versus who's not." }, { "end_time": "52:08", "start_time": "52:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:14", "start_time": "52:11", "text": "But I don't blame them because there's so much pressure for looking good all the time." }, { "end_time": "52:15", "start_time": "52:14", "text": "And it's their livelihood." }, { "end_time": "52:17", "start_time": "52:16", "text": "And think about it." }, { "end_time": "52:20", "start_time": "52:17", "text": "And then the question comes is then how do they take it, and they're still living strong." }, { "end_time": "52:22", "start_time": "52:20", "text": "Their mindsets also are very powerful." }, { "end_time": "52:24", "start_time": "52:22", "text": "They know that I need to do this and see." }, { "end_time": "52:27", "start_time": "52:24", "text": "Whatever you put intention with Ranvir, it works for you positively." }, { "end_time": "52:29", "start_time": "52:27", "text": "I am a firm believer of the power of the mind." }, { "end_time": "52:31", "start_time": "52:29", "text": "So I'm putting an intention." }, { "end_time": "52:33", "start_time": "52:31", "text": "I need this body because my job is entertainment." }, { "end_time": "52:35", "start_time": "52:33", "text": "I wanna run the script and create this movie." }, { "end_time": "52:38", "start_time": "52:35", "text": "I'm not doing it with the intention that, oh, I wanna pick up girls." }, { "end_time": "52:40", "start_time": "52:38", "text": "I wanna pick up guys myself." }, { "end_time": "52:42", "start_time": "52:40", "text": "Worth is so low, so I need to look big." }, { "end_time": "52:43", "start_time": "52:42", "text": "That's wrong intention." }, { "end_time": "52:48", "start_time": "52:43", "text": "And the people getting hurt with steroids and all of this are the people with low self worth and the wrong intention." }, { "end_time": "52:52", "start_time": "52:48", "text": "You mean the everyday Joe who's probably is doing a corporate job but wants to Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:53", "start_time": "52:52", "text": "Go through steroids and all of this." }, { "end_time": "53:00", "start_time": "52:53", "text": "That I need to have a body like this to attract a girl, or a girl believes I need to be skinny thin for guys to love me." }, { "end_time": "53:02", "start_time": "53:00", "text": "I'm giving you examples, both sides." }, { "end_time": "53:05", "start_time": "53:02", "text": "But that thought comes from a from a space of low self worth." }, { "end_time": "53:08", "start_time": "53:05", "text": "My intention is once in my life, I wanna look good." }, { "end_time": "53:10", "start_time": "53:08", "text": "I wanna feel how it is." }, { "end_time": "53:10", "start_time": "53:10", "text": "Right intention." }, { "end_time": "53:11", "start_time": "53:11", "text": "That's it." }, { "end_time": "53:12", "start_time": "53:11", "text": "One life." }, { "end_time": "53:12", "start_time": "53:12", "text": "Try it." }, { "end_time": "53:20", "start_time": "53:13", "text": "But the point is when your intention is misplaced, that's when, again, disharmony, disharmony, discomfort, discomfort, disease." }, { "end_time": "53:21", "start_time": "53:20", "text": "It comes down to intention." }, { "end_time": "53:24", "start_time": "53:21", "text": "What do you have to say to college kids who are thinking about going on a cycle?" }, { "end_time": "53:27", "start_time": "53:25", "text": "See, definitely no." }, { "end_time": "53:28", "start_time": "53:27", "text": "Absolutely not." }, { "end_time": "53:34", "start_time": "53:28", "text": "Unless you're a college kid who's moving into now, you know, 16, 17 year old bodybuilding and stuff." }, { "end_time": "53:38", "start_time": "53:34", "text": "Even then, you you can't do it because for bodybuilding, you're not allowed to use these things anymore." }, { "end_time": "53:40", "start_time": "53:38", "text": "My point is why?" }, { "end_time": "53:43", "start_time": "53:41", "text": "If we had to do statistics, I can bet on this." }, { "end_time": "53:44", "start_time": "53:43", "text": "We've not done the research." }, { "end_time": "53:57", "start_time": "53:44", "text": "But tomorrow, if we had to fund a research project that are the biggest fittest bodies, okay, the ones who are in happy marriages, happy relationships, having the best sex, and having the best girls, the answer will be no, but it's a perception." }, { "end_time": "54:02", "start_time": "53:58", "text": "Every college going kid thinks, the girl thinks I need to be this way to get love." }, { "end_time": "54:04", "start_time": "54:02", "text": "The guy thinks I need to have this body to get love." }, { "end_time": "54:05", "start_time": "54:04", "text": "It's true." }, { "end_time": "54:06", "start_time": "54:05", "text": "It's absolutely false." }, { "end_time": "54:07", "start_time": "54:06", "text": "It's a perception." }, { "end_time": "54:08", "start_time": "54:08", "text": "It's a perception." }, { "end_time": "54:14", "start_time": "54:09", "text": "And then when you see a a really obese guy with a beautiful girl, what's the perception?" }, { "end_time": "54:15", "start_time": "54:14", "text": "Oh, he has a lot of money." }, { "end_time": "54:16", "start_time": "54:15", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "54:18", "start_time": "54:16", "text": "When you actually speak because I have clients like that." }, { "end_time": "54:23", "start_time": "54:18", "text": "And the point is he's got a heart that no one of the fittest guys had." }, { "end_time": "54:24", "start_time": "54:23", "text": "I feel loved." }, { "end_time": "54:25", "start_time": "54:24", "text": "I feel cared." }, { "end_time": "54:25", "start_time": "54:25", "text": "Great." }, { "end_time": "54:26", "start_time": "54:25", "text": "Doesn't matter how he looks." }, { "end_time": "54:29", "start_time": "54:27", "text": "Evolved woman, evolved man." }, { "end_time": "54:41", "start_time": "54:29", "text": "So these are perceptions that if you put the numbers, it's impossible, but otherwise tell me every second body on Instagram, 6 pack abs, beautiful figure, they should be having the best looking partners in the world." }, { "end_time": "54:42", "start_time": "54:41", "text": "They should be the happiest people." }, { "end_time": "54:45", "start_time": "54:42", "text": "They should be, like, having tons of people who wanna marry them." }, { "end_time": "54:47", "start_time": "54:45", "text": "But why doesn't that happen?" }, { "end_time": "54:48", "start_time": "54:47", "text": "Because it's not about that." }, { "end_time": "54:52", "start_time": "54:48", "text": "The psyche of a man and a woman, a girl and a boy is not based on that." }, { "end_time": "54:56", "start_time": "54:52", "text": "That's what the movies are made of us believe, songs and society." }, { "end_time": "54:57", "start_time": "54:56", "text": "It isn't that way." }, { "end_time": "54:59", "start_time": "54:57", "text": "Absolutely far from it." }, { "end_time": "55:11", "start_time": "54:59", "text": "If you sit down a girl and actually ask her what she wants, you'll find a wannabe girl who will tell you everything that society wants to that she's observed from society, or you'll find a wannabe guy who will speak from the basis of being a puppet." }, { "end_time": "55:19", "start_time": "55:11", "text": "But if you sit down with a girl and a guy and you truly ask them what they want in a boy or a girl or a man and a woman, you'll be surprised at what you hear." }, { "end_time": "55:20", "start_time": "55:19", "text": "Surprised." }, { "end_time": "55:22", "start_time": "55:20", "text": "Now that has to be education that goes out to kids." }, { "end_time": "55:22", "start_time": "55:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "55:23", "start_time": "55:22", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "55:29", "start_time": "55:23", "text": "I thought this is gonna be a very pacy, physical health actually, I'll just say holistic health podcast." }, { "end_time": "55:33", "start_time": "55:29", "text": "It's turned into this extremely tangential conversation." }, { "end_time": "55:35", "start_time": "55:33", "text": "We got to talk about some hot topics." }, { "end_time": "55:37", "start_time": "55:35", "text": "And again, my questions are always from a data perspective." }, { "end_time": "55:41", "start_time": "55:37", "text": "The one thing we get asked about a lot nowadays is veganism." }, { "end_time": "55:42", "start_time": "55:41", "text": "Want to talk about that?" }, { "end_time": "55:52", "start_time": "55:42", "text": "Or even if you want to just highlight vegetarianism as a concept because we're talking so much about bio individuality and in terms of one kind of diet lifestyle is not suited to everyone." }, { "end_time": "55:53", "start_time": "55:52", "text": "Everyone's bodies are different." }, { "end_time": "55:53", "start_time": "55:53", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "55:58", "start_time": "55:54", "text": "Like, say some an Inuit person, an Eskimo can't switch to vegetarian food." }, { "end_time": "55:58", "start_time": "55:58", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "55:59", "start_time": "55:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "56:04", "start_time": "55:59", "text": "Because, like, they've eaten that they've eaten meat all their life, and, the ancestors have eaten meat." }, { "end_time": "56:05", "start_time": "56:04", "text": "It's in their DNA." }, { "end_time": "56:06", "start_time": "56:05", "text": "It's in their blueprint." }, { "end_time": "56:06", "start_time": "56:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "56:07", "start_time": "56:06", "text": "That's how it is." }, { "end_time": "56:14", "start_time": "56:08", "text": "So I wanna ask you about vegetarianism in India, but also let's highlight veganism as well." }, { "end_time": "56:15", "start_time": "56:15", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "56:17", "start_time": "56:15", "text": "So, see, everything has its fair points." }, { "end_time": "56:26", "start_time": "56:17", "text": "But finally, okay, for debate purposes, everyone likes to talk, everyone likes to form extreme groups, veganism, carnivores, all of that." }, { "end_time": "56:26", "start_time": "56:26", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "56:28", "start_time": "56:26", "text": "I mean but we gotta go a step further." }, { "end_time": "56:28", "start_time": "56:28", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "56:33", "start_time": "56:28", "text": "There are pros and cons, but the point is, what suits you at the end of the day?" }, { "end_time": "56:39", "start_time": "56:34", "text": "Are you doing it because it's a fad, a trend, or you suddenly have a religious belief, which I respect if that's your religious belief?" }, { "end_time": "56:45", "start_time": "56:39", "text": "Because I'll tell you I have a lot of people today who are like, on strict veg don't give me okay with a fish oil capsule." }, { "end_time": "56:46", "start_time": "56:45", "text": "I said, why?" }, { "end_time": "56:46", "start_time": "56:46", "text": "Why are you okay okay." }, { "end_time": "56:50", "start_time": "56:46", "text": "Because I can give you a I can give you a vegetarian omega as well." }, { "end_time": "56:55", "start_time": "56:50", "text": "Why are you okay with that if you say your religious beliefs are you can't eat eggs, you can't eat this?" }, { "end_time": "56:57", "start_time": "56:55", "text": "How come your religion allows you to eat fish?" }, { "end_time": "56:57", "start_time": "56:57", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "56:57", "start_time": "56:57", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "56:58", "start_time": "56:57", "text": "That'll do for my health." }, { "end_time": "57:01", "start_time": "56:58", "text": "So my point is there's distortion in people's perception again." }, { "end_time": "57:05", "start_time": "57:01", "text": "There's nothing wrong with being a vegetarian if it works for you." }, { "end_time": "57:07", "start_time": "57:05", "text": "There's nothing wrong again, it's intention." }, { "end_time": "57:10", "start_time": "57:07", "text": "When when you say if it works for you, what's the breakdown of that?" }, { "end_time": "57:12", "start_time": "57:10", "text": "Like, what's the version of it not working for you?" }, { "end_time": "57:12", "start_time": "57:12", "text": "Simple." }, { "end_time": "57:13", "start_time": "57:12", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "57:15", "start_time": "57:13", "text": "I'm trying to lose weight, but I'm vegetarian, Luca." }, { "end_time": "57:18", "start_time": "57:15", "text": "And because I'm vegetarian, I have more carbs, but I wanna lose fat." }, { "end_time": "57:26", "start_time": "57:19", "text": "You know, I mean, the point is your intention of being vegetarian, your intention of being vegan, your intention of all of these things." }, { "end_time": "57:29", "start_time": "57:26", "text": "And we have people who, like, oh, how could you post about honey?" }, { "end_time": "57:30", "start_time": "57:30", "text": "It's the bee's food." }, { "end_time": "57:31", "start_time": "57:30", "text": "It's this food." }, { "end_time": "57:32", "start_time": "57:31", "text": "It's that food." }, { "end_time": "57:41", "start_time": "57:32", "text": "And my point is, again, all of this comes from different areas of, you know, people's own perceptions toward it towards it." }, { "end_time": "57:45", "start_time": "57:41", "text": "So my point is I have loads of vegans today who have switched back to eating meat." }, { "end_time": "57:48", "start_time": "57:46", "text": "The same ones who preached it." }, { "end_time": "57:50", "start_time": "57:48", "text": "Am I not here to say that I told you so?" }, { "end_time": "57:51", "start_time": "57:50", "text": "It didn't work for you." }, { "end_time": "57:52", "start_time": "57:51", "text": "You have the guts to move back." }, { "end_time": "57:57", "start_time": "57:53", "text": "You're not trying to hold a facade that you created or whatever it is." }, { "end_time": "58:02", "start_time": "57:57", "text": "I have so many spiritual leaders who, out of goodwill, say, Luke, we used to be non vegetarian." }, { "end_time": "58:05", "start_time": "58:03", "text": "We change, and it's working for us." }, { "end_time": "58:09", "start_time": "58:05", "text": "I was with sister Shivani in Delhi, and she said, Luke, I used to be hardcore non veg." }, { "end_time": "58:09", "start_time": "58:09", "text": "I changed." }, { "end_time": "58:11", "start_time": "58:09", "text": "She's saying, Luke, try it." }, { "end_time": "58:12", "start_time": "58:11", "text": "Try it for 15 days." }, { "end_time": "58:13", "start_time": "58:12", "text": "And this is what I love about her." }, { "end_time": "58:16", "start_time": "58:13", "text": "She said if it works for you and it changes, at least you'll know." }, { "end_time": "58:18", "start_time": "58:16", "text": "If it doesn't, go back to eating non veg." }, { "end_time": "58:20", "start_time": "58:19", "text": "That's how it is." }, { "end_time": "58:25", "start_time": "58:20", "text": "You know, because you've also studied the whole spiritual side of the body Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "58:34", "start_time": "58:25", "text": "I'd love to ask you as a health professional who's backed by science, What's your perception of vegetarianism and spirituality?" }, { "end_time": "58:38", "start_time": "58:34", "text": "And especially after interacting with people like sister Shivani, Daji, people like this." }, { "end_time": "58:38", "start_time": "58:38", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "58:40", "start_time": "58:38", "text": "First, I'm assuming all of them are vegetarian." }, { "end_time": "58:40", "start_time": "58:40", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "58:43", "start_time": "58:40", "text": "They're all vegetarians, but, again, move into Islam." }, { "end_time": "58:48", "start_time": "58:44", "text": "Spiritual leaders, prophets who have non vegetarian." }, { "end_time": "58:50", "start_time": "58:48", "text": "Are they different in spiritual energy?" }, { "end_time": "58:51", "start_time": "58:50", "text": "The answer is no." }, { "end_time": "58:53", "start_time": "58:52", "text": "Move into Catholics." }, { "end_time": "58:56", "start_time": "58:53", "text": "Move into Jews who have predominantly meat diets." }, { "end_time": "58:58", "start_time": "58:56", "text": "Are they any less spiritual than other orders?" }, { "end_time": "59:00", "start_time": "58:59", "text": "Absolutely no." }, { "end_time": "59:01", "start_time": "59:00", "text": "Again, it's a perception." }, { "end_time": "59:05", "start_time": "59:01", "text": "I can make anyone believe if I go with the concept, oh, I'm eating a dead animal." }, { "end_time": "59:06", "start_time": "59:05", "text": "I have dead energy." }, { "end_time": "59:08", "start_time": "59:07", "text": "Energy is energy." }, { "end_time": "59:12", "start_time": "59:09", "text": "I'm breathing the air that someone else has breathed it to." }, { "end_time": "59:13", "start_time": "59:12", "text": "It's not fresh air." }, { "end_time": "59:14", "start_time": "59:13", "text": "The point is it's perception." }, { "end_time": "59:16", "start_time": "59:15", "text": "So I'm not saying those people are wrong." }, { "end_time": "59:17", "start_time": "59:16", "text": "It's their belief." }, { "end_time": "59:24", "start_time": "59:18", "text": "And if it's their belief and it drives them spiritually to be better people and to be better human beings, and this is where I talk about spirituality." }, { "end_time": "59:30", "start_time": "59:25", "text": "If your spiritual part is driving you to be a better human, follow that part." }, { "end_time": "59:32", "start_time": "59:30", "text": "Whether it's veg, non veg, doesn't matter." }, { "end_time": "59:38", "start_time": "59:32", "text": "But if you are just following spirituality and you cannot enforce it into being a better human, it is a fad." }, { "end_time": "59:40", "start_time": "59:38", "text": "Your spirituality is a fad." }, { "end_time": "59:46", "start_time": "59:40", "text": "So the point is, I mean, if it works for you, if you feel like, I've tried meditating when I'm vegetarian." }, { "end_time": "59:46", "start_time": "59:46", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "59:47", "start_time": "59:46", "text": "No difference." }, { "end_time": "59:53", "start_time": "59:47", "text": "I can meditate the same way when I'm non vegetarian because I don't base my meditation on my food." }, { "end_time": "59:56", "start_time": "59:54", "text": "When I fast, I can meditate better." }, { "end_time": "1:00:02", "start_time": "59:56", "text": "So, actually, no food in my stomach, forget whether it's veg or non veg, can make my spiritual practice on my meditation way deeper." }, { "end_time": "1:00:05", "start_time": "1:00:03", "text": "And that's why in the holy month of Ramadan, you're fasting." }, { "end_time": "1:00:11", "start_time": "1:00:06", "text": "In in in the Vedas, you fast on certain days, on on spiritual days, on religious days." }, { "end_time": "1:00:12", "start_time": "1:00:11", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "1:00:13", "start_time": "1:00:12", "text": "Because you can meditate better." }, { "end_time": "1:00:13", "start_time": "1:00:13", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:00:16", "start_time": "1:00:13", "text": "So for me, it's not about what you have in your system." }, { "end_time": "1:00:18", "start_time": "1:00:16", "text": "There should be nothing in your system." }, { "end_time": "1:00:25", "start_time": "1:00:18", "text": "On the days that you wanna reach that spiritual level of meditation, which doesn't have to be every day, unless our path is to be enlightened and to move in that direction." }, { "end_time": "1:00:30", "start_time": "1:00:26", "text": "So if I select one day in a week, I fast 18 to 24 hours on once a week." }, { "end_time": "1:00:34", "start_time": "1:00:30", "text": "Those are the days my meditation is the deepest and the longest." }, { "end_time": "1:00:38", "start_time": "1:00:34", "text": "On other days, it will because there's there's energy breaking down in my system." }, { "end_time": "1:00:42", "start_time": "1:00:38", "text": "So I think people have to pull themselves out of boxes that they've put themselves in." }, { "end_time": "1:00:46", "start_time": "1:00:42", "text": "Coming back to the physical side of, just vegetarianism in India." }, { "end_time": "1:00:47", "start_time": "1:00:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:00:53", "start_time": "1:00:47", "text": "When you get vegetarian patients, what are the other common problems you see other than them overconsuming carbohydrates?" }, { "end_time": "1:00:55", "start_time": "1:00:53", "text": "See, it's it's again a behavioral thing." }, { "end_time": "1:00:57", "start_time": "1:00:55", "text": "I have super fit vegetarians as well." }, { "end_time": "1:01:00", "start_time": "1:00:57", "text": "I have cancer patients who recover on vegetarian diets." }, { "end_time": "1:01:02", "start_time": "1:01:00", "text": "What's your gauge of super fit?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:03", "start_time": "1:01:02", "text": "So when I say super fit, they're happy." }, { "end_time": "1:01:04", "start_time": "1:01:04", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:01:06", "start_time": "1:01:04", "text": "Their metrics are fine, blood parameters." }, { "end_time": "1:01:08", "start_time": "1:01:06", "text": "And if they have a disease, they're progressing." }, { "end_time": "1:01:09", "start_time": "1:01:08", "text": "Their body's responding." }, { "end_time": "1:01:10", "start_time": "1:01:09", "text": "The healing is The healing." }, { "end_time": "1:01:11", "start_time": "1:01:10", "text": "The healing." }, { "end_time": "1:01:13", "start_time": "1:01:11", "text": "The recoveries have the body is healing them." }, { "end_time": "1:01:19", "start_time": "1:01:13", "text": "Now what is not super fit is someone who appears to be fit, but he's on a laundry or she's on a laundry list of medicine." }, { "end_time": "1:01:20", "start_time": "1:01:19", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:01:20", "start_time": "1:01:20", "text": "Yo." }, { "end_time": "1:01:21", "start_time": "1:01:20", "text": "That's your crutch." }, { "end_time": "1:01:22", "start_time": "1:01:21", "text": "You're not fit." }, { "end_time": "1:01:23", "start_time": "1:01:22", "text": "When you say medicine, what do you mean?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:24", "start_time": "1:01:23", "text": "Like, whatever." }, { "end_time": "1:01:25", "start_time": "1:01:24", "text": "I'm on a blood pressure medication." }, { "end_time": "1:01:26", "start_time": "1:01:25", "text": "Oh, I'm I'm fit." }, { "end_time": "1:01:26", "start_time": "1:01:26", "text": "Hey." }, { "end_time": "1:01:28", "start_time": "1:01:26", "text": "But you're on a statin." }, { "end_time": "1:01:29", "start_time": "1:01:28", "text": "You're not fit." }, { "end_time": "1:01:34", "start_time": "1:01:29", "text": "You're dependent on something to give you the appearance of being fit, but your body is still sick." }, { "end_time": "1:01:37", "start_time": "1:01:34", "text": "So, like, when someone comes and says, Luke, I got cancer." }, { "end_time": "1:01:37", "start_time": "1:01:37", "text": "I got sick." }, { "end_time": "1:01:37", "start_time": "1:01:37", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:01:38", "start_time": "1:01:37", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:01:40", "start_time": "1:01:38", "text": "You were already sick and you got cancer." }, { "end_time": "1:01:41", "start_time": "1:01:40", "text": "You're already sick when you get diabetes." }, { "end_time": "1:01:43", "start_time": "1:01:41", "text": "You're already sick when you get Alzheimer's." }, { "end_time": "1:01:44", "start_time": "1:01:44", "text": "That's all." }, { "end_time": "1:01:48", "start_time": "1:01:44", "text": "Your body is already in imbalance when you start gaining weight that you shouldn't be gaining." }, { "end_time": "1:01:51", "start_time": "1:01:48", "text": "When you start losing weight that you shouldn't be, you're already sick." }, { "end_time": "1:01:53", "start_time": "1:01:51", "text": "So sickness isn't, oh, I got the symptom." }, { "end_time": "1:01:54", "start_time": "1:01:53", "text": "I'm sick today." }, { "end_time": "1:01:55", "start_time": "1:01:54", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:01:57", "start_time": "1:01:55", "text": "Do you wanna talk about sugar lobby?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:58", "start_time": "1:01:57", "text": "The sugar lobby?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:59", "start_time": "1:01:58", "text": "You bill?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:59", "start_time": "1:01:59", "text": "If you want." }, { "end_time": "1:02:00", "start_time": "1:01:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:02:00", "start_time": "1:02:00", "text": "We can." }, { "end_time": "1:02:00", "start_time": "1:02:00", "text": "If you want." }, { "end_time": "1:02:01", "start_time": "1:02:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:02:02", "start_time": "1:02:01", "text": "I'd like to ask you about the sugar lobby, Luke." }, { "end_time": "1:02:04", "start_time": "1:02:02", "text": "See, there's a lobby not just for sugar." }, { "end_time": "1:02:06", "start_time": "1:02:04", "text": "There's a fast food lobby." }, { "end_time": "1:02:07", "start_time": "1:02:06", "text": "There's a pharmaceutical lobby." }, { "end_time": "1:02:08", "start_time": "1:02:07", "text": "There's a lobby everywhere." }, { "end_time": "1:02:09", "start_time": "1:02:08", "text": "Why why don't you explain what a lobby is?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:10", "start_time": "1:02:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:02:20", "start_time": "1:02:10", "text": "So lobby is when I can break rules or I can make new rules to sell something that may not be good for people." }, { "end_time": "1:02:22", "start_time": "1:02:20", "text": "Like, create media narratives." }, { "end_time": "1:02:22", "start_time": "1:02:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:02:22", "start_time": "1:02:22", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "1:02:23", "start_time": "1:02:23", "text": "Or I can change." }, { "end_time": "1:02:26", "start_time": "1:02:23", "text": "Like, I can change the, I can change blood parameters." }, { "end_time": "1:02:30", "start_time": "1:02:26", "text": "Everyone knows that high blood pressure was okay at even 145." }, { "end_time": "1:02:33", "start_time": "1:02:30", "text": "Today, it's a pro it's a disease, 120." }, { "end_time": "1:02:35", "start_time": "1:02:34", "text": "You've reduced it." }, { "end_time": "1:02:37", "start_time": "1:02:35", "text": "So you put a whole population onto medication." }, { "end_time": "1:02:44", "start_time": "1:02:38", "text": "There could be right reasons for the person being on medication because there could be other, you know, issues, but you keep changing levels." }, { "end_time": "1:02:44", "start_time": "1:02:44", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:02:46", "start_time": "1:02:44", "text": "Who's changing these levels?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:47", "start_time": "1:02:46", "text": "Who's scrutinizing these levels?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:52", "start_time": "1:02:48", "text": "Why is there no research done on the good things, only on the bad things?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:54", "start_time": "1:02:52", "text": "Today, research can be bought." }, { "end_time": "1:02:59", "start_time": "1:02:54", "text": "I can fund research to make my product successful even if it's not." }, { "end_time": "1:03:02", "start_time": "1:02:59", "text": "They will find 10 good things, but they will find 2 bad things." }, { "end_time": "1:03:06", "start_time": "1:03:02", "text": "But the 10 good things will be sold in such a way that the 2 bad things are negligible." }, { "end_time": "1:03:08", "start_time": "1:03:06", "text": "But when I come to sue that company, they say, oh, yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:03:09", "start_time": "1:03:08", "text": "This these were there." }, { "end_time": "1:03:12", "start_time": "1:03:09", "text": "You just didn't ask for it, or it's just not there, but it is there in the fine print." }, { "end_time": "1:03:24", "start_time": "1:03:12", "text": "What does the average everyday consumer do in a world like this where so many of our perceptions are created because of a few rich people sitting in a room together and deciding that, okay, this will be a marketing strategy, but on a very science y level." }, { "end_time": "1:03:25", "start_time": "1:03:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:03:27", "start_time": "1:03:25", "text": "That's why I again, social media comes in." }, { "end_time": "1:03:30", "start_time": "1:03:27", "text": "Today, if you notice, everything we post is there a link?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:31", "start_time": "1:03:30", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:03:37", "start_time": "1:03:31", "text": "So I said, if there is a link or if there was no link for this, I put up a post the other day on aerated, on something on aerated." }, { "end_time": "1:03:39", "start_time": "1:03:37", "text": "There was a beautiful science that I think Yale had written." }, { "end_time": "1:03:40", "start_time": "1:03:39", "text": "I I think so." }, { "end_time": "1:03:40", "start_time": "1:03:40", "text": "We put it up." }, { "end_time": "1:03:41", "start_time": "1:03:41", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:41", "start_time": "1:03:41", "text": "And we put it up." }, { "end_time": "1:03:44", "start_time": "1:03:41", "text": "And someone said, can I have a link for the research?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:47", "start_time": "1:03:44", "text": "So I said, so without the link, you will continue consuming this?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:48", "start_time": "1:03:47", "text": "So no." }, { "end_time": "1:03:49", "start_time": "1:03:48", "text": "I know it's bad, but I need the link." }, { "end_time": "1:03:53", "start_time": "1:03:49", "text": "So you see, people are conditioned not to use common sense anymore." }, { "end_time": "1:03:58", "start_time": "1:03:53", "text": "Every in the name of research and science, the world has made people lose touch with their intuition." }, { "end_time": "1:04:00", "start_time": "1:03:59", "text": "Of course, we need research." }, { "end_time": "1:04:03", "start_time": "1:04:00", "text": "Of course, we need science, but not for things that common sense can tell you." }, { "end_time": "1:04:04", "start_time": "1:04:04", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:04:08", "start_time": "1:04:04", "text": "Like a common oncologist telling a cancer patient, eat what you want." }, { "end_time": "1:04:08", "start_time": "1:04:08", "text": "Eat sugar." }, { "end_time": "1:04:12", "start_time": "1:04:08", "text": "And I asked the oncologist, oh, do you allow sugar at your home with your kid?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:12", "start_time": "1:04:12", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:04:12", "start_time": "1:04:12", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:04:12", "start_time": "1:04:12", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:04:13", "start_time": "1:04:12", "text": "We we cut it down." }, { "end_time": "1:04:15", "start_time": "1:04:13", "text": "How can you give your sick patient sugar?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:16", "start_time": "1:04:15", "text": "What's the difference?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:19", "start_time": "1:04:16", "text": "Oh, but there's no science behind it." }, { "end_time": "1:04:19", "start_time": "1:04:19", "text": "So you see?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:20", "start_time": "1:04:19", "text": "Common sense." }, { "end_time": "1:04:25", "start_time": "1:04:20", "text": "You don't allow your kids to eat the stuff that you're giving your cancer patients to eat." }, { "end_time": "1:04:26", "start_time": "1:04:25", "text": "That is common sense." }, { "end_time": "1:04:28", "start_time": "1:04:26", "text": "Don't use science to justify your decision." }, { "end_time": "1:04:29", "start_time": "1:04:28", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:04:33", "start_time": "1:04:29", "text": "So you see, all of the science, while we need science, we have the right to ask for science." }, { "end_time": "1:04:37", "start_time": "1:04:33", "text": "Don't let it dim your inner voice, your wisdom, your logic, your intuition." }, { "end_time": "1:04:40", "start_time": "1:04:38", "text": "And that's why you can see what social media is creating today." }, { "end_time": "1:04:45", "start_time": "1:04:40", "text": "A population that needs to be dependent on social media's answers and opinions." }, { "end_time": "1:04:46", "start_time": "1:04:45", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:04:47", "start_time": "1:04:46", "text": "You see it happening right there." }, { "end_time": "1:04:48", "start_time": "1:04:47", "text": "People are not using their logic." }, { "end_time": "1:04:55", "start_time": "1:04:50", "text": "Speaking about social media, again, I'm asking all the hot questions around health." }, { "end_time": "1:05:00", "start_time": "1:04:56", "text": "There's a huge I wanna call it like an acne pandemic Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:05:02", "start_time": "1:05:00", "text": "Amongst the youth and even adults." }, { "end_time": "1:05:05", "start_time": "1:05:02", "text": "Adult acne has become so much more prevalent." }, { "end_time": "1:05:07", "start_time": "1:05:05", "text": "I'm sure you see this as well." }, { "end_time": "1:05:07", "start_time": "1:05:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:05:12", "start_time": "1:05:08", "text": "Is that down to the lifestyle that the society around us has created?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:13", "start_time": "1:05:13", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:05:15", "start_time": "1:05:13", "text": "Is it the foods that we're putting into our body?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:20", "start_time": "1:05:15", "text": "Everyone knows the basics that you drink water, avoid smoking, try avoiding alcohol, avoid acidic foods." }, { "end_time": "1:05:23", "start_time": "1:05:22", "text": "I have a couple of questions for you." }, { "end_time": "1:05:26", "start_time": "1:05:23", "text": "1, what more than this?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:31", "start_time": "1:05:26", "text": "And 2, we have to talk about isotretinoin or accutane because that's a topic not spoken about enough on the Indian Internet." }, { "end_time": "1:05:35", "start_time": "1:05:32", "text": "So I'd love your opinion on both, these things also." }, { "end_time": "1:05:38", "start_time": "1:05:36", "text": "I know a lot of people who are on Accutane forever." }, { "end_time": "1:05:39", "start_time": "1:05:39", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:05:45", "start_time": "1:05:39", "text": "Like, they just choose to stay on Accutane forever because if they don't have Accutane, they start breaking out with a lot of acne." }, { "end_time": "1:05:48", "start_time": "1:05:46", "text": "Almost everybody I know has been on Accutane at some point." }, { "end_time": "1:05:49", "start_time": "1:05:48", "text": "Almost everyone I know." }, { "end_time": "1:05:49", "start_time": "1:05:49", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:05:50", "start_time": "1:05:49", "text": "At some point, at least." }, { "end_time": "1:05:51", "start_time": "1:05:50", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:05:54", "start_time": "1:05:52", "text": "And I'm talking about people in their early thirties Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:05:55", "start_time": "1:05:54", "text": "Etcetera." }, { "end_time": "1:05:56", "start_time": "1:05:55", "text": "They're not teenagers." }, { "end_time": "1:05:57", "start_time": "1:05:56", "text": "What's up, mister Goodenio?" }, { "end_time": "1:06:01", "start_time": "1:05:58", "text": "So you can take it for a while." }, { "end_time": "1:06:05", "start_time": "1:06:01", "text": "But if you continue, you're missing the root cause of why are you getting acne." }, { "end_time": "1:06:10", "start_time": "1:06:05", "text": "So you're not you're not fixing a potential problem that could become way bigger than your acne." }, { "end_time": "1:06:13", "start_time": "1:06:10", "text": "Can you talk a little bit about isotretinoin to give people context on what it is?" }, { "end_time": "1:06:14", "start_time": "1:06:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:06:16", "start_time": "1:06:14", "text": "So, technically, what it does is it works on a hormonal imbalance." }, { "end_time": "1:06:17", "start_time": "1:06:17", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:06:18", "start_time": "1:06:17", "text": "It corrects it." }, { "end_time": "1:06:19", "start_time": "1:06:18", "text": "It's like an oral contraceptive." }, { "end_time": "1:06:20", "start_time": "1:06:19", "text": "You're not getting your period cycle." }, { "end_time": "1:06:22", "start_time": "1:06:20", "text": "You have an issue with your periods and stuff." }, { "end_time": "1:06:22", "start_time": "1:06:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:06:24", "start_time": "1:06:22", "text": "Take this oral contraceptive." }, { "end_time": "1:06:25", "start_time": "1:06:24", "text": "At least you'll be fine for a while." }, { "end_time": "1:06:31", "start_time": "1:06:25", "text": "But we all know today the overuse of oral contraceptives are leading to far more deadly diseases and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "1:06:33", "start_time": "1:06:31", "text": "But it doesn't mean the oral contraceptive is bad." }, { "end_time": "1:06:41", "start_time": "1:06:33", "text": "It is good for you while you figure out that I have PCOS or I have a messed up period cycle because of these lifestyle changes, and I need to do it." }, { "end_time": "1:06:44", "start_time": "1:06:41", "text": "Because the question that if you ask your doctor, can I be on an oral contraceptive all my life?" }, { "end_time": "1:06:45", "start_time": "1:06:44", "text": "He'll say no." }, { "end_time": "1:06:47", "start_time": "1:06:45", "text": "So the point is, when does it stop?" }, { "end_time": "1:06:50", "start_time": "1:06:48", "text": "It's the same thing with all of these chemicals that we put in." }, { "end_time": "1:06:51", "start_time": "1:06:50", "text": "They can help." }, { "end_time": "1:06:55", "start_time": "1:06:51", "text": "Tomorrow, if I had acne, for example, I had acne in college, but we just didn't have these things." }, { "end_time": "1:06:57", "start_time": "1:06:55", "text": "We didn't have information at all, so we got through it." }, { "end_time": "1:06:59", "start_time": "1:06:57", "text": "We learned how to live." }, { "end_time": "1:07:00", "start_time": "1:06:59", "text": "We learned to change our lifestyle." }, { "end_time": "1:07:01", "start_time": "1:07:00", "text": "It went away." }, { "end_time": "1:07:03", "start_time": "1:07:01", "text": "We learned not to base our self worth on it." }, { "end_time": "1:07:05", "start_time": "1:07:03", "text": "You were accepted because a lot of people had it." }, { "end_time": "1:07:09", "start_time": "1:07:05", "text": "The point is your body, after a while, gets immune to all of these things." }, { "end_time": "1:07:11", "start_time": "1:07:09", "text": "It gets immune to everything." }, { "end_time": "1:07:17", "start_time": "1:07:11", "text": "And what's gonna happen is you're gonna start having more acne or the moment you stop it, your acne is gonna come up." }, { "end_time": "1:07:19", "start_time": "1:07:17", "text": "It's like you just put a brake on it." }, { "end_time": "1:07:22", "start_time": "1:07:19", "text": "The moment you, you know, you get you get the pressure of the brake, the car rolls." }, { "end_time": "1:07:27", "start_time": "1:07:22", "text": "There there's also a lot of urban legends about how Accutane's a very dark kind of, medicine." }, { "end_time": "1:07:28", "start_time": "1:07:27", "text": "Is that also true?" }, { "end_time": "1:07:37", "start_time": "1:07:28", "text": "I mean, I've not gone too much into research in that whole thing, but the point is it's a it's a $1,000,000,000 industry only because it makes us look better." }, { "end_time": "1:07:40", "start_time": "1:07:37", "text": "Now the point is, what's the underlying cause of acne?" }, { "end_time": "1:07:42", "start_time": "1:07:40", "text": "Too many toxins in the body or hormonal imbalance?" }, { "end_time": "1:07:48", "start_time": "1:07:43", "text": "Every disease is created by a hormonal imbalance, including a cancer, including an acne." }, { "end_time": "1:07:49", "start_time": "1:07:48", "text": "What is a hormone?" }, { "end_time": "1:07:50", "start_time": "1:07:49", "text": "It's a chemical messenger." }, { "end_time": "1:07:54", "start_time": "1:07:50", "text": "So you're either passing the right messages, one hormone to another, or the wrong message." }, { "end_time": "1:07:56", "start_time": "1:07:54", "text": "Wrong message, I can have acne, I can have a cancer." }, { "end_time": "1:08:00", "start_time": "1:07:56", "text": "I can have hair fall, I can have eczema, depending on the messages." }, { "end_time": "1:08:04", "start_time": "1:08:00", "text": "So hormonal imbalance, because stress has gone up so much, chronic stress." }, { "end_time": "1:08:06", "start_time": "1:08:05", "text": "That's that's the real reason." }, { "end_time": "1:08:07", "start_time": "1:08:06", "text": "Sleep deprivation." }, { "end_time": "1:08:09", "start_time": "1:08:07", "text": "These are the 2 main things, and I'll I'll break it down." }, { "end_time": "1:08:10", "start_time": "1:08:09", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "1:08:13", "start_time": "1:08:10", "text": "I'm sleep deprived, so I wake up with a hormonal imbalance." }, { "end_time": "1:08:18", "start_time": "1:08:13", "text": "Now I'm stressed out because, obviously, you can't be happy and productive if you're sleep deprived." }, { "end_time": "1:08:21", "start_time": "1:08:18", "text": "Plus, my hormones are a mess, so I start craving more sugars." }, { "end_time": "1:08:23", "start_time": "1:08:21", "text": "Now I'm eating more sugars, more toxins." }, { "end_time": "1:08:25", "start_time": "1:08:24", "text": "I'm producing acne." }, { "end_time": "1:08:27", "start_time": "1:08:25", "text": "I'm missing my workouts because I'm too tired." }, { "end_time": "1:08:30", "start_time": "1:08:27", "text": "I'm in a vicious cycle of hormonal imbalance." }, { "end_time": "1:08:32", "start_time": "1:08:30", "text": "Now how does hormonal imbalance work?" }, { "end_time": "1:08:36", "start_time": "1:08:32", "text": "This is gonna answer 2 of your questions, fat loss, fat gain, and acne." }, { "end_time": "1:08:40", "start_time": "1:08:36", "text": "Every time the body's chronically stressed, I'm producing cortisol." }, { "end_time": "1:08:41", "start_time": "1:08:40", "text": "Cortisol is a great hormone." }, { "end_time": "1:08:42", "start_time": "1:08:41", "text": "It's a stress hormone." }, { "end_time": "1:08:46", "start_time": "1:08:42", "text": "But if it's elevated all the time, I start depleting it." }, { "end_time": "1:08:47", "start_time": "1:08:46", "text": "Now the body has to make more cortisol." }, { "end_time": "1:08:48", "start_time": "1:08:48", "text": "It has to." }, { "end_time": "1:08:51", "start_time": "1:08:48", "text": "So it starts to steal a hormone called progesterone." }, { "end_time": "1:08:57", "start_time": "1:08:52", "text": "Now because it's stealing progesterone to make cortisol, my progesterone levels go down." }, { "end_time": "1:08:59", "start_time": "1:08:57", "text": "If progesterone goes down, what happens?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:01", "start_time": "1:09:00", "text": "Estrogen goes up." }, { "end_time": "1:09:04", "start_time": "1:09:01", "text": "If estrogen goes up in a man or woman, what happens?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:17", "start_time": "1:09:04", "text": "Acne, cysts, fibroids, ER positive, breast cancers, endometrial issues, hair fall, belly fat, midriff fat, fat in unwanted places, testosterone goes down in a man, so the potbelly comes up, Muscle mass decreases." }, { "end_time": "1:09:17", "start_time": "1:09:17", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:09:21", "start_time": "1:09:17", "text": "All on the simple science of hormonal imbalance, which is being created." }, { "end_time": "1:09:22", "start_time": "1:09:21", "text": "Now I'll have acne." }, { "end_time": "1:09:24", "start_time": "1:09:22", "text": "I could be eating clean food, but I still have acne." }, { "end_time": "1:09:25", "start_time": "1:09:24", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:27", "start_time": "1:09:25", "text": "Because I'm not correcting my hormonal imbalance." }, { "end_time": "1:09:29", "start_time": "1:09:27", "text": "Which is just your sleep cycle and your stress levels." }, { "end_time": "1:09:30", "start_time": "1:09:29", "text": "Cycle and stress levels." }, { "end_time": "1:09:32", "start_time": "1:09:30", "text": "Now people will say, but this is the real world." }, { "end_time": "1:09:32", "start_time": "1:09:32", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:09:33", "start_time": "1:09:32", "text": "It is." }, { "end_time": "1:09:36", "start_time": "1:09:33", "text": "But there are millions of people who are able to do it right." }, { "end_time": "1:09:37", "start_time": "1:09:36", "text": "What's stopping you?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:40", "start_time": "1:09:37", "text": "Everyone's excuse is but everyone's doing it." }, { "end_time": "1:09:40", "start_time": "1:09:40", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:09:41", "start_time": "1:09:40", "text": "Everyone isn't." }, { "end_time": "1:09:45", "start_time": "1:09:42", "text": "Everyone is not sleep deprived, and everyone is not chronically stressed." }, { "end_time": "1:09:48", "start_time": "1:09:45", "text": "You may have stress, but you're choosing what is worth it and how to combat it." }, { "end_time": "1:09:52", "start_time": "1:09:48", "text": "Does this also boil down to empty scrolling, like being on your phone late at night?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:52", "start_time": "1:09:52", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "1:09:56", "start_time": "1:09:54", "text": "That is the new smoking, like you rightly said." }, { "end_time": "1:09:56", "start_time": "1:09:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:09:57", "start_time": "1:09:56", "text": "It is." }, { "end_time": "1:09:58", "start_time": "1:09:57", "text": "Because now this is dopamine." }, { "end_time": "1:10:02", "start_time": "1:09:59", "text": "You're burning out dopamine, one post to another." }, { "end_time": "1:10:05", "start_time": "1:10:02", "text": "And the fast I'm scrolling is because I'm not I'll stop when I see something interesting." }, { "end_time": "1:10:06", "start_time": "1:10:05", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:10:10", "start_time": "1:10:07", "text": "But until I find something interesting, I'm burning out dopamine." }, { "end_time": "1:10:13", "start_time": "1:10:11", "text": "Your reels are causing your pimples." }, { "end_time": "1:10:16", "start_time": "1:10:13", "text": "You you you can say that directly or indirectly." }, { "end_time": "1:10:17", "start_time": "1:10:16", "text": "Again, it's your perception." }, { "end_time": "1:10:18", "start_time": "1:10:17", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:10:21", "start_time": "1:10:18", "text": "And that's why while reels are I call reels entertainment." }, { "end_time": "1:10:23", "start_time": "1:10:21", "text": "You can put good knowledge capsules in it." }, { "end_time": "1:10:23", "start_time": "1:10:23", "text": "Fantastic." }, { "end_time": "1:10:25", "start_time": "1:10:23", "text": "But it's mainly entertainment." }, { "end_time": "1:10:25", "start_time": "1:10:25", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "1:10:29", "start_time": "1:10:25", "text": "Because if you ask someone today, okay, I saw 10 reels." }, { "end_time": "1:10:33", "start_time": "1:10:29", "text": "Not one of them would remember the context of any of those reels." }, { "end_time": "1:10:34", "start_time": "1:10:33", "text": "It's only dopamine." }, { "end_time": "1:10:35", "start_time": "1:10:35", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:10:37", "start_time": "1:10:35", "text": "That's why people like them more." }, { "end_time": "1:10:39", "start_time": "1:10:37", "text": "I got entertained in 30 seconds." }, { "end_time": "1:10:41", "start_time": "1:10:39", "text": "Like, I wanna see more of this." }, { "end_time": "1:10:41", "start_time": "1:10:41", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "1:10:43", "start_time": "1:10:41", "text": "Because you're depleted in dopamine." }, { "end_time": "1:10:45", "start_time": "1:10:44", "text": "So that's the whole thing." }, { "end_time": "1:10:52", "start_time": "1:10:45", "text": "Like, if I wanna put hardcore content, I can never do it in a reel because the time doesn't justify the value of content I wanna put." }, { "end_time": "1:10:57", "start_time": "1:10:52", "text": "Now if I wanna show a nice place I'm in, and there are many things that you can put beautifully into a reel Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:11:00", "start_time": "1:10:57", "text": "But not solid educative thing that will help someone evolve." }, { "end_time": "1:11:03", "start_time": "1:11:00", "text": "It's just entertainment and dopamine burning." }, { "end_time": "1:11:04", "start_time": "1:11:03", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "1:11:04", "start_time": "1:11:04", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:11:06", "start_time": "1:11:04", "text": "We're almost at the end of this particular episode." }, { "end_time": "1:11:11", "start_time": "1:11:08", "text": "One last question for you, and this is the highlight of this particular episode." }, { "end_time": "1:11:23", "start_time": "1:11:11", "text": "We spoke about bio individuality, which means that everyone kind of requires different foods and different maybe nuanced lifestyle factors that suit their bodies the best, you know, whether it goes to weight loss or weight gain." }, { "end_time": "1:11:37", "start_time": "1:11:23", "text": "But if I had to kind of bracket out a Luc Coutinho diet in terms of, just some things that should be going into every single human body irrespective of race, sex, creed, etcetera, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "1:11:39", "start_time": "1:11:37", "text": "Just all the variables in humanity." }, { "end_time": "1:11:43", "start_time": "1:11:40", "text": "What are those common kind of food items or habits?" }, { "end_time": "1:11:53", "start_time": "1:11:44", "text": "And I'd love for you to give me this in a diet form so that people understand very easily, like right from the time you wake up to the time you sleep, what are some general essentials?" }, { "end_time": "1:11:54", "start_time": "1:11:53", "text": "And you could even say, okay." }, { "end_time": "1:11:55", "start_time": "1:11:54", "text": "Protein Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:11:56", "start_time": "1:11:55", "text": "Portion or carb portion." }, { "end_time": "1:11:57", "start_time": "1:11:56", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:12:00", "start_time": "1:11:57", "text": "So I'm not gonna use the word diet because I call it an ecosystem of food." }, { "end_time": "1:12:00", "start_time": "1:12:00", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "1:12:03", "start_time": "1:12:00", "text": "Because if I'm fasting, I'm starting my day at 12 o'clock." }, { "end_time": "1:12:04", "start_time": "1:12:03", "text": "I miss my breakfast." }, { "end_time": "1:12:10", "start_time": "1:12:04", "text": "The point is in a day, the way we wanna look at it is what does the human body need to survive and thrive?" }, { "end_time": "1:12:14", "start_time": "1:12:11", "text": "Whether I'm having breakfast or not, whether I'm having dinner or not." }, { "end_time": "1:12:16", "start_time": "1:12:14", "text": "As long as I give my body these micronutrients, it's happy." }, { "end_time": "1:12:17", "start_time": "1:12:16", "text": "It's gonna protect us." }, { "end_time": "1:12:21", "start_time": "1:12:17", "text": "Its intelligence is gonna be trained well to protect us and keep us surviving." }, { "end_time": "1:12:22", "start_time": "1:12:21", "text": "So I need colors." }, { "end_time": "1:12:24", "start_time": "1:12:23", "text": "Colors." }, { "end_time": "1:12:25", "start_time": "1:12:24", "text": "Where will I get colors?" }, { "end_time": "1:12:26", "start_time": "1:12:25", "text": "Fruits and vegetables." }, { "end_time": "1:12:27", "start_time": "1:12:26", "text": "Again, quality and quantities, everything." }, { "end_time": "1:12:28", "start_time": "1:12:27", "text": "Bio individual." }, { "end_time": "1:12:29", "start_time": "1:12:28", "text": "I can't give you a portion size." }, { "end_time": "1:12:32", "start_time": "1:12:29", "text": "Do do fruit and vegetable peels contain a lot of Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "1:12:33", "start_time": "1:12:33", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "1:12:35", "start_time": "1:12:33", "text": "But, again, I wanna know my source." }, { "end_time": "1:12:40", "start_time": "1:12:35", "text": "If I'm gonna eat peels, okay, if I have cans, I'm not gonna do peels because if there are pesticides, infection." }, { "end_time": "1:12:45", "start_time": "1:12:40", "text": "If I am supporting ethical farming and getting my fruits and vegetables, I'm gonna have the peel." }, { "end_time": "1:12:46", "start_time": "1:12:45", "text": "I'm definitely gonna have the peel." }, { "end_time": "1:12:49", "start_time": "1:12:46", "text": "So, again, there's always that to look at, quality and quantity." }, { "end_time": "1:12:58", "start_time": "1:12:49", "text": "So I can get all of my colors, which are my polyphenols, my flavonoids, my anthocyanins, which the human brain, body, everything needs from my fruits, from my vegetables, from my nuts, and from my seeds." }, { "end_time": "1:13:00", "start_time": "1:12:59", "text": "I don't have to go expensive on this." }, { "end_time": "1:13:04", "start_time": "1:13:00", "text": "Simple watermelon seeds, which are cheap, can give me that." }, { "end_time": "1:13:04", "start_time": "1:13:04", "text": "Flax seeds." }, { "end_time": "1:13:08", "start_time": "1:13:04", "text": "And then we can go expensive with Brazil nuts and all, but I'm saying, you you take nuts and seeds." }, { "end_time": "1:13:10", "start_time": "1:13:08", "text": "Can I get a portion of that?" }, { "end_time": "1:13:11", "start_time": "1:13:10", "text": "My good fats." }, { "end_time": "1:13:15", "start_time": "1:13:11", "text": "Is it coming from one saturated source like a coconut oil or a piyogi or an avocado oil?" }, { "end_time": "1:13:20", "start_time": "1:13:15", "text": "And my polyunsaturated, which I will find if I'm having 2 meals out of my home." }, { "end_time": "1:13:21", "start_time": "1:13:20", "text": "You'll have enough of the polyunsaturated." }, { "end_time": "1:13:25", "start_time": "1:13:22", "text": "And my monounsaturated, which are my olive oils." }, { "end_time": "1:13:25", "start_time": "1:13:25", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:13:26", "start_time": "1:13:25", "text": "Fantastic." }, { "end_time": "1:13:28", "start_time": "1:13:26", "text": "For my brain, everything immunity." }, { "end_time": "1:13:29", "start_time": "1:13:28", "text": "So I want my fats." }, { "end_time": "1:13:40", "start_time": "1:13:29", "text": "Now my proteins, if you're vegetarian, you're gonna get it from your legumes, you're gonna get it from your lentils, you're gonna get it from your nuts and your seeds, and your dairy, which is ethical and hopefully ethical because you don't want all the estrogen and the hormones in it." }, { "end_time": "1:13:45", "start_time": "1:13:40", "text": "If If I'm non vegetarian, I'm gonna get it from my ethically sourced meats, my fish, my eggs." }, { "end_time": "1:13:46", "start_time": "1:13:45", "text": "That's what I'm looking at at this point." }, { "end_time": "1:13:49", "start_time": "1:13:46", "text": "Now my fiber is gonna come from my vegetables and my fruits." }, { "end_time": "1:13:50", "start_time": "1:13:49", "text": "My protein from those sources." }, { "end_time": "1:13:52", "start_time": "1:13:50", "text": "My carbohydrates, can I have it?" }, { "end_time": "1:13:53", "start_time": "1:13:52", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "1:13:53", "start_time": "1:13:53", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:13:55", "start_time": "1:13:53", "text": "Comes from my whole grains." }, { "end_time": "1:13:58", "start_time": "1:13:55", "text": "My ancient grains, like my amaranth, my jawar, my bajras." }, { "end_time": "1:14:00", "start_time": "1:13:59", "text": "Wheat suits you, go ahead and do it." }, { "end_time": "1:14:01", "start_time": "1:14:00", "text": "Like, wheat doesn't suit me." }, { "end_time": "1:14:02", "start_time": "1:14:01", "text": "It makes me more hungry." }, { "end_time": "1:14:03", "start_time": "1:14:03", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:14:05", "start_time": "1:14:03", "text": "Because of the gliadine and the opioid receptors." }, { "end_time": "1:14:06", "start_time": "1:14:05", "text": "But for some people, it's great." }, { "end_time": "1:14:12", "start_time": "1:14:06", "text": "Is it true that soil quality, especially in India, has depleted so much that the wheat we consume today is Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "1:14:12", "start_time": "1:14:12", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:14:13", "start_time": "1:14:12", "text": "All over the world." }, { "end_time": "1:14:15", "start_time": "1:14:13", "text": "Everything much is wheat." }, { "end_time": "1:14:15", "start_time": "1:14:15", "text": "Even spinach." }, { "end_time": "1:14:16", "start_time": "1:14:15", "text": "If you say, oh, wow." }, { "end_time": "1:14:18", "start_time": "1:14:16", "text": "I'm getting x amount of iron in the spinach." }, { "end_time": "1:14:19", "start_time": "1:14:18", "text": "Make it half." }, { "end_time": "1:14:21", "start_time": "1:14:19", "text": "And this is because of pollution." }, { "end_time": "1:14:24", "start_time": "1:14:21", "text": "Soil depletion, it's because of the overuse of land." }, { "end_time": "1:14:25", "start_time": "1:14:24", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:14:29", "start_time": "1:14:25", "text": "Use of fertilizers, you know, growing crops, which only produce money." }, { "end_time": "1:14:32", "start_time": "1:14:29", "text": "You know, you don't have biodiversity amongst crops growing and stuff." }, { "end_time": "1:14:34", "start_time": "1:14:32", "text": "All of that has, but it's changing." }, { "end_time": "1:14:37", "start_time": "1:14:34", "text": "And soil can change if people change the way they farm." }, { "end_time": "1:14:42", "start_time": "1:14:37", "text": "So that can change, and that will boost nutrients automatically in the foods that we eat." }, { "end_time": "1:14:42", "start_time": "1:14:42", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:14:43", "start_time": "1:14:42", "text": "So these are the things." }, { "end_time": "1:14:44", "start_time": "1:14:43", "text": "This is what I want." }, { "end_time": "1:14:45", "start_time": "1:14:44", "text": "I want hydration." }, { "end_time": "1:14:46", "start_time": "1:14:45", "text": "I want my water coming in." }, { "end_time": "1:14:50", "start_time": "1:14:46", "text": "If sugar's coming in, again, it's gotta be in small quantities." }, { "end_time": "1:14:53", "start_time": "1:14:51", "text": "I can't have a sedentary lifestyle and have too much of sugar." }, { "end_time": "1:14:54", "start_time": "1:14:53", "text": "I'm not burning it." }, { "end_time": "1:14:58", "start_time": "1:14:54", "text": "If I want a cup of chai with a teaspoon of sugar, I'm an active person." }, { "end_time": "1:15:00", "start_time": "1:14:58", "text": "I'm gonna burn that teaspoon of sugar in 10 minutes." }, { "end_time": "1:15:04", "start_time": "1:15:00", "text": "But if I'm a sedentary person, even that one teaspoon of sugar can cause problems." }, { "end_time": "1:15:09", "start_time": "1:15:04", "text": "So when I look at food, I wanna look at diversity and especially the country that you live in." }, { "end_time": "1:15:09", "start_time": "1:15:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:15:10", "start_time": "1:15:09", "text": "What does India grow?" }, { "end_time": "1:15:10", "start_time": "1:15:10", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:15:14", "start_time": "1:15:10", "text": "So if it's growing mangoes in summer, it's a great fruit for you in the summer." }, { "end_time": "1:15:14", "start_time": "1:15:14", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:15:18", "start_time": "1:15:14", "text": "But now people hold on to mangoes and freeze it, and they wanna have it through the winters." }, { "end_time": "1:15:18", "start_time": "1:15:18", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:15:23", "start_time": "1:15:18", "text": "The point is you can do it, but it was as nutritious as the time it was grown for you." }, { "end_time": "1:15:25", "start_time": "1:15:23", "text": "So this is what a diet should look for all of us." }, { "end_time": "1:15:30", "start_time": "1:15:25", "text": "Now break it down to your bio individuality, but most people are only going on macros." }, { "end_time": "1:15:32", "start_time": "1:15:30", "text": "Low protein, high protein, low carb, high carb." }, { "end_time": "1:15:33", "start_time": "1:15:32", "text": "Talk about micro deficiencies." }, { "end_time": "1:15:37", "start_time": "1:15:34", "text": "And that is where your colors and everything that we spoke about comes in." }, { "end_time": "1:15:40", "start_time": "1:15:37", "text": "And all the foods I mentioned, now you can extract superfoods." }, { "end_time": "1:15:42", "start_time": "1:15:40", "text": "So pure ghee, saturated fat, superfood." }, { "end_time": "1:15:44", "start_time": "1:15:42", "text": "Coconut oil, pure, is a saturated fat." }, { "end_time": "1:15:45", "start_time": "1:15:44", "text": "It's a superfood." }, { "end_time": "1:15:45", "start_time": "1:15:45", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:15:48", "start_time": "1:15:45", "text": "Your moringas, your green leafy vegetables, superfood again." }, { "end_time": "1:15:51", "start_time": "1:15:48", "text": "Your pistachios, nut family, superfood again." }, { "end_time": "1:15:59", "start_time": "1:15:51", "text": "So a superfood is a superfood when it has micronutrients at a high level, and that can suffice different functions in the human body." }, { "end_time": "1:16:03", "start_time": "1:16:00", "text": "Mister Luc Cuttino, we're the end of this episode." }, { "end_time": "1:16:04", "start_time": "1:16:04", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:16:05", "start_time": "1:16:04", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:16:07", "start_time": "1:16:05", "text": "We have to move into a much heavier episode." }, { "end_time": "1:16:10", "start_time": "1:16:07", "text": "That's why I'm not gonna give an all out conclusion on this one." }, { "end_time": "1:16:26", "start_time": "1:16:10", "text": "All I'll say is health and diet and movement, these are subjects that you need to keep revisiting over the course of your life because I'm I'm sure you're an ex you're one of the world's most renowned health professionals, and even you're a lifelong learner." }, { "end_time": "1:16:32", "start_time": "1:16:27", "text": "Even you revisit concepts that you studied, say, in your twenties or in your early thirties." }, { "end_time": "1:16:33", "start_time": "1:16:32", "text": "And we're constantly learning." }, { "end_time": "1:16:33", "start_time": "1:16:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:16:42", "start_time": "1:16:33", "text": "Because I may say pistachios are great, great, great, but then sometimes we learn that too much of it for this particular patient is not a good thing because it's got z axanthin, and it doesn't go well with your drug." }, { "end_time": "1:16:44", "start_time": "1:16:42", "text": "So we are always learning." }, { "end_time": "1:16:45", "start_time": "1:16:44", "text": "Always learning." }, { "end_time": "1:16:45", "start_time": "1:16:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:16:45", "start_time": "1:16:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:16:53", "start_time": "1:16:46", "text": "But in saying that, physical health is governed by some mathematical flag post as well, and people need to learn the math early on." }, { "end_time": "1:16:58", "start_time": "1:16:53", "text": "And, of course, the math is different for everyone's bodies, but you've gotta keep experimenting with the healthy foods and figure out what works for you." }, { "end_time": "1:16:59", "start_time": "1:16:58", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "1:17:02", "start_time": "1:16:59", "text": "Maybe bio individuality is the theme of this particular episode." }, { "end_time": "1:17:04", "start_time": "1:17:03", "text": "We'll move into the next one." }, { "end_time": "1:17:05", "start_time": "1:17:04", "text": "I hope it was good for you, mister." }, { "end_time": "1:17:06", "start_time": "1:17:05", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "1:17:07", "start_time": "1:17:06", "text": "I always enjoy it." }, { "end_time": "1:17:07", "start_time": "1:17:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:17:07", "start_time": "1:17:07", "text": "Awesome." }, { "end_time": "1:17:08", "start_time": "1:17:07", "text": "See you." }, { "end_time": "1:17:10", "start_time": "1:17:08", "text": "That was the episode for today." }, { "end_time": "1:17:17", "start_time": "1:17:10", "text": "Some controversial topics that we touched upon, some, commonly asked questions in the world of fitness and health." }, { "end_time": "1:17:26", "start_time": "1:17:18", "text": "Health is scientific and science evolves every 3 years, which is why Luke Coutinho has earned his reputation." }, { "end_time": "1:17:30", "start_time": "1:17:27", "text": "He's not someone who just sits on the knowledge he's gained up till this point." }, { "end_time": "1:17:35", "start_time": "1:17:30", "text": "He's someone who updates himself regularly and that's the sign of the best health professionals out there." }, { "end_time": "1:17:38", "start_time": "1:17:35", "text": "That's why right now, follow us on Spotify." }, { "end_time": "1:17:43", "start_time": "1:17:38", "text": "The Spotify exclusive, every episode is available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world." }, { "end_time": "1:17:49", "start_time": "1:17:43", "text": "Until that episode releases, I would request you to go watch the other episodes we've created with the legend, Luke Coutinho." }, { "end_time": "1:17:53", "start_time": "1:17:49", "text": "Some of our best podcasts have been created with this person." }, { "end_time": "1:17:59", "start_time": "1:17:54", "text": "He's also the 1st guest to have recorded with us at all our different studio locations." }, { "end_time": "1:18:00", "start_time": "1:17:59", "text": "That's some trivia about TRS." }, { "end_time": "1:18:10", "start_time": "1:18:02", "text": "I will see you soon with more knowledge and with an even better conversation with Luke Coutinho coming up very soon." } ] }

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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:03", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "Performing one more rep even if your life depended on it." }, { "end_time": "0:05", "start_time": "0:03", "text": "People get a little bit too scientific." }, { "end_time": "0:07", "start_time": "0:05", "text": "They overcomplicate things." }, { "end_time": "0:12", "start_time": "0:07", "text": "They're like, oh, you know, your legs need to be at this angle when you're doing a squat, or your calves need to be." }, { "end_time": "0:14", "start_time": "0:12", "text": "And it's like, just push, man." }, { "end_time": "0:15", "start_time": "0:14", "text": "Just push." }, { "end_time": "0:16", "start_time": "0:15", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "0:19", "start_time": "0:16", "text": "You know, it it all comes down to how bad you really want it." }, { "end_time": "0:24", "start_time": "0:19", "text": "And if you are as desperate for that last repetition as you are to breathe, then you'll get it." }, { "end_time": "0:25", "start_time": "0:24", "text": "You've trained Hrithik Roshan." }, { "end_time": "0:26", "start_time": "0:25", "text": "You've trained John Abraham." }, { "end_time": "0:29", "start_time": "0:26", "text": "I'm sure you've trained many more Bollywood stars." }, { "end_time": "0:29", "start_time": "0:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "0:31", "start_time": "0:29", "text": "Is there a mathematical formula you follow?" }, { "end_time": "0:34", "start_time": "0:31", "text": "As an example, we'll talk about Riddick now." }, { "end_time": "0:37", "start_time": "0:34", "text": "Is that I recently had him on, like, 4,800 calories." }, { "end_time": "0:38", "start_time": "0:37", "text": "What?" }, { "end_time": "0:38", "start_time": "0:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "0:43", "start_time": "0:38", "text": "4,800 calories because when I first saw him now, I was like, okay." }, { "end_time": "0:45", "start_time": "0:43", "text": "You need to get in shape, but you have no muscle on your frame." }, { "end_time": "0:47", "start_time": "0:45", "text": "He hasn't been training." }, { "end_time": "0:57", "start_time": "0:47", "text": "So I really need even though I wanted to diet him down immediately because he's holding so much body fat, we had no choice but, you know, go into a mass building phase." }, { "end_time": "1:01", "start_time": "0:57", "text": "So he was eating a lot of clean calories." }, { "end_time": "1:08", "start_time": "1:01", "text": "There's some podcast that we create with some personalities where I know that we've packed diamonds into the content." }, { "end_time": "1:21", "start_time": "1:08", "text": "This is one of those episodes if you're inclined towards the world of fitness, hypertrophy, bodybuilding, powerlifting, general wellness, mental health, and holistic health in general." }, { "end_time": "1:24", "start_time": "1:21", "text": "Chris Gethin is one of the world's biggest fitness icons." }, { "end_time": "1:28", "start_time": "1:24", "text": "And after this one conversation, I personally got to know why." }, { "end_time": "1:41", "start_time": "1:28", "text": "The entire world of fitness knows about this man's knowledge, but when you get into a deep conversation with him, you'll notice the ease with which he's cleared out concepts in his head by experimenting with his own body." }, { "end_time": "1:48", "start_time": "1:41", "text": "We spoke about everything from peer reviewed scientific studies to biohacking his own body." }, { "end_time": "1:51", "start_time": "1:48", "text": "There's a lot of content that I wish for you guys to slip into." }, { "end_time": "1:56", "start_time": "1:51", "text": "What I will say is that for more informative conversations like this, follow us on Spotify." }, { "end_time": "2:03", "start_time": "1:56", "text": "We're a Spotify exclusive, which means that every episode is available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world." }, { "end_time": "2:10", "start_time": "2:03", "text": "This is one of the thickest episodes of TRS packed full of science." }, { "end_time": "2:16", "start_time": "2:11", "text": "And for old time's sake, all I wanna say is let science the shit out of it." }, { "end_time": "2:38", "start_time": "2:35", "text": "Chris Gatson, welcome to India, and welcome to the Ranveer Show." }, { "end_time": "2:40", "start_time": "2:38", "text": "Welcome back to India, Radu." }, { "end_time": "2:40", "start_time": "2:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:44", "start_time": "2:40", "text": "It's been a few years, but thank you very much for having me on the show." }, { "end_time": "2:45", "start_time": "2:44", "text": "Been looking forward to this." }, { "end_time": "2:45", "start_time": "2:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:49", "start_time": "2:45", "text": "I've been looking forward to talking to you for a very, very, very long time, probably since college." }, { "end_time": "2:57", "start_time": "2:50", "text": "I mean, when I began lifting weights, it was all about Chris Gethin, which was back in 2010, 2011." }, { "end_time": "3:00", "start_time": "2:57", "text": "So you've been in the Indian scene for a while." }, { "end_time": "3:03", "start_time": "3:02", "text": "How is it feeling being back here?" }, { "end_time": "3:04", "start_time": "3:04", "text": "Feels phenomenal." }, { "end_time": "3:05", "start_time": "3:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:20", "start_time": "3:05", "text": "Like, when I first came here, I surprised how many people knew me from my video series on bodybuilding.com because as we're speaking before the show, that, you know, bodybuilding.com was an office in little old Boise, and we only saw what was happening there in Boise." }, { "end_time": "3:25", "start_time": "3:20", "text": "But to come then to other countries such as India and be recognized, it was absolutely phenomenal." }, { "end_time": "3:26", "start_time": "3:25", "text": "But it's great to be back." }, { "end_time": "3:27", "start_time": "3:26", "text": "I love the culture here." }, { "end_time": "3:28", "start_time": "3:27", "text": "Uh-huh." }, { "end_time": "3:32", "start_time": "3:28", "text": "You know, I think culture is lost in a lot of countries, especially with social media." }, { "end_time": "3:34", "start_time": "3:32", "text": "People don't interact as much." }, { "end_time": "3:39", "start_time": "3:34", "text": "But I see people are a little bit more family orientated here in this country, and I like that connection." }, { "end_time": "3:43", "start_time": "3:40", "text": "What else do you like about this country from a fitness perspective?" }, { "end_time": "3:45", "start_time": "3:43", "text": "Bodybuilding.com is huge here, by the way." }, { "end_time": "3:46", "start_time": "3:45", "text": "Like, it's massive." }, { "end_time": "3:52", "start_time": "3:46", "text": "It's something that every gymming bro has used at some point in his journey to just learn." }, { "end_time": "3:52", "start_time": "3:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:02", "start_time": "3:52", "text": "The one thing that I've noticed that I really enjoy this time around, and I don't know if it was because of the lockdowns over the past couple of years, but I I go to bed super early." }, { "end_time": "4:05", "start_time": "4:02", "text": "I mean, look like a party animal, but I'm in bed at 7:30." }, { "end_time": "4:09", "start_time": "4:05", "text": "But I'm down at the beach doing my cardio very early in the morning." }, { "end_time": "4:14", "start_time": "4:09", "text": "And I remember when I was here some years ago, I would be one of the only people down there." }, { "end_time": "4:24", "start_time": "4:14", "text": "Now I see so many people at 6 AM doing their cardio, walking, and, you know, it's it's just an absolute pleasure to see that many more people are outside being active." }, { "end_time": "4:30", "start_time": "4:24", "text": "I don't know if it's because it was taken away from them, and now they appreciate it that much more, but I certainly do." }, { "end_time": "4:39", "start_time": "4:30", "text": "And I I I kind of vibe of the electricity of seeing so many people out there being active no matter what age, you know, and I really like that vibe." }, { "end_time": "4:39", "start_time": "4:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:48", "start_time": "4:39", "text": "I I remember back when I'd started, training in life, there wasn't that much of a fitness culture, and we had to actually explain things to our parents." }, { "end_time": "4:51", "start_time": "4:48", "text": "We had to convince our parents to allow us to take protein shakes." }, { "end_time": "4:56", "start_time": "4:52", "text": "We had to explain to people that weight training doesn't harm your joints, things like that." }, { "end_time": "5:06", "start_time": "4:56", "text": "Things are completely different now where I feel that, the kids who are taking up training now are probably what, like, 2000 born, 2005 ish born." }, { "end_time": "5:08", "start_time": "5:06", "text": "Their parents were born in the seventies." }, { "end_time": "5:11", "start_time": "5:08", "text": "Their parents grew up training and lifting weights themselves." }, { "end_time": "5:15", "start_time": "5:12", "text": "So there's this whole new generation that's begun lifting weights, especially in India." }, { "end_time": "5:17", "start_time": "5:15", "text": "It's super mainstream." }, { "end_time": "5:19", "start_time": "5:17", "text": "This wasn't the case earlier." }, { "end_time": "5:19", "start_time": "5:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:25", "start_time": "5:19", "text": "And I I think what really happened as well is that, you know, obviously, you know, Riddick looked great in Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:28", "start_time": "5:25", "text": "In, Krish, and then you had so many other actors looking phenomenal." }, { "end_time": "5:36", "start_time": "5:28", "text": "And people wanted to attain some sort of physique to maybe improve their own confidence, more energy, feel better about themselves." }, { "end_time": "5:43", "start_time": "5:36", "text": "And I think it become a little bit more accepted then as well because you know what what, you know, what a lot of people in the entertainment industry are seen as." }, { "end_time": "5:44", "start_time": "5:43", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "5:46", "start_time": "5:44", "text": "They really, really are loyal to them." }, { "end_time": "5:46", "start_time": "5:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:48", "start_time": "5:46", "text": "And I think that's been a really, really good thing." }, { "end_time": "5:48", "start_time": "5:48", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "5:58", "start_time": "5:48", "text": "It's kind of what similar to what happened in the US, like, in the eighties nineties when you had the Van Damme's and the Stallones and the Dolph Lundgren's, and everybody kind of followed that culture Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:02", "start_time": "5:59", "text": "And the gym boom and then a supplement boom, and the same sort of thing happened here." }, { "end_time": "6:03", "start_time": "6:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:03", "start_time": "6:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:11", "start_time": "6:04", "text": "You know, I think what Schwarzenegger and Stallone did there, it was, Ritik and John Abraham, yo." }, { "end_time": "6:11", "start_time": "6:11", "text": "Early 2000." }, { "end_time": "6:17", "start_time": "6:11", "text": "Like, they set the tone for how, the ideal men should look." }, { "end_time": "6:17", "start_time": "6:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:18", "start_time": "6:17", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "6:22", "start_time": "6:18", "text": "And and it inspired, like, 1 or 2 generations after that." }, { "end_time": "6:23", "start_time": "6:22", "text": "But I wanna actually ask you about it." }, { "end_time": "6:25", "start_time": "6:23", "text": "I think a bit how did this happen?" }, { "end_time": "6:28", "start_time": "6:25", "text": "Because that's how a lot of Indians have gotten to know you initially." }, { "end_time": "6:37", "start_time": "6:29", "text": "As the person who kind of transformed it, I think I remember there was this one photo of him on the front page of Bombay Times where he spoke about a transformation, and that's where he really spoke about you." }, { "end_time": "6:41", "start_time": "6:37", "text": "I can't remember when this was exactly, but it was roughly, like, 2,000 2,011." }, { "end_time": "6:42", "start_time": "6:42", "text": "11." }, { "end_time": "6:42", "start_time": "6:42", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "6:43", "start_time": "6:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:43", "start_time": "6:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:46", "start_time": "6:43", "text": "So, when did you start training, Ritik?" }, { "end_time": "6:54", "start_time": "6:46", "text": "It was probably around that time, at the end of 2,011, because I came earlier in 2011 to launch a book that I'd published." }, { "end_time": "6:59", "start_time": "6:54", "text": "And Simon and Schuster, the publishers, wanted me to do one of those launches here in India." }, { "end_time": "7:07", "start_time": "7:00", "text": "And once I did that, our mutual friend, Jag Chima, gave a copy of that book to Riddick." }, { "end_time": "7:10", "start_time": "7:07", "text": "He read the book, and he was in a bad way at the time." }, { "end_time": "7:14", "start_time": "7:10", "text": "You know, he'd he'd just come out of a major injury with his back." }, { "end_time": "7:18", "start_time": "7:14", "text": "His doctors had told him to be bed bound for a couple of months, and he had been." }, { "end_time": "7:30", "start_time": "7:19", "text": "And, then he asked if I would be interested in transforming him because he was about to cancel the or postpone the shooting of Krish because he wasn't able to, get in shape for it." }, { "end_time": "7:30", "start_time": "7:30", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "7:37", "start_time": "7:30", "text": "But when I gave him a consultation, I could see that the guy was definitely serious, very intuitive, and, so decided to kinda transform him." }, { "end_time": "7:46", "start_time": "7:37", "text": "And, you know, we'd set up 12 weeks, but, we managed to transform in about 9 and a half weeks because his body responded so well." }, { "end_time": "7:52", "start_time": "7:48", "text": "I'm assuming that his body responded well because he's had years of training behind him." }, { "end_time": "7:53", "start_time": "7:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:53", "start_time": "7:53", "text": "It's that." }, { "end_time": "8:00", "start_time": "7:53", "text": "And, he's got years of training behind him, but he his body responds really, really well." }, { "end_time": "8:06", "start_time": "8:00", "text": "And he's got such a small frame, like, the smallest frame I've ever trained." }, { "end_time": "8:07", "start_time": "8:06", "text": "You mean like a skeleton?" }, { "end_time": "8:07", "start_time": "8:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:08", "start_time": "8:07", "text": "Skeleton for sure." }, { "end_time": "8:12", "start_time": "8:08", "text": "You know, very small wrist, very small ankles, very small knees joints." }, { "end_time": "8:17", "start_time": "8:13", "text": "So a little bit of muscle on him looks a massive amount of muscle." }, { "end_time": "8:18", "start_time": "8:18", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "8:18", "start_time": "8:18", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "8:25", "start_time": "8:18", "text": "So when we got in shape for, Krish, you know, he looked his absolute biggest, but he was only, like, 68 kilos." }, { "end_time": "8:26", "start_time": "8:25", "text": "Very, very Wow." }, { "end_time": "8:26", "start_time": "8:26", "text": "Earning yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:28", "start_time": "8:26", "text": "The guy's 6 foot." }, { "end_time": "8:46", "start_time": "8:28", "text": "So there wasn't much to him, but when we were able to pump up specifically for different scenes, carb load, reduce the fluid, you know, he he looked very three-dimensional because of the fullness of his muscle bellies, which is genetic as well, along with, very small joints." }, { "end_time": "8:48", "start_time": "8:47", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "8:49", "start_time": "8:48", "text": "Correct me if I'm wrong here." }, { "end_time": "8:55", "start_time": "8:49", "text": "And I'm I'm literally carrying the chatter that goes on in Indian gyms and carrying it to Chris Gethin himself." }, { "end_time": "9:06", "start_time": "8:56", "text": "So what they say is that with, actors who need to get into shape, you would assume that these guys are huge guys." }, { "end_time": "9:08", "start_time": "9:06", "text": "These guys are the biggest guys in the gym." }, { "end_time": "9:14", "start_time": "9:08", "text": "But the situation in reality is that the camera, adds a few pounds firstly." }, { "end_time": "9:20", "start_time": "9:15", "text": "And secondly, if you see the same guys in real life, they probably like, if they have a t shirt on, they'll probably even look skinny." }, { "end_time": "9:23", "start_time": "9:20", "text": "But the moment the t shirt is off, they look huge." }, { "end_time": "9:27", "start_time": "9:23", "text": "And the camera just picks up that hugeness as even huger hugeness." }, { "end_time": "9:29", "start_time": "9:28", "text": "Is that true?" }, { "end_time": "9:30", "start_time": "9:29", "text": "Well, yeah, there's a few things to it." }, { "end_time": "9:33", "start_time": "9:30", "text": "Of course, you know, they're gonna get the lighting just right." }, { "end_time": "9:33", "start_time": "9:33", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "9:37", "start_time": "9:33", "text": "Now if I'm there on set but Riddick's got a great eye, actually." }, { "end_time": "9:43", "start_time": "9:37", "text": "So the the lighting that you would usually have in a scene is very different to allow the physique to pop." }, { "end_time": "9:44", "start_time": "9:43", "text": "You want more harsh lighting." }, { "end_time": "9:48", "start_time": "9:44", "text": "So a lot of people want soft lighting to make you look smoother, younger." }, { "end_time": "9:51", "start_time": "9:48", "text": "You gotta go the opposite when you're trying to enhance the physique." }, { "end_time": "9:54", "start_time": "9:51", "text": "So that's gonna be one aspect of it." }, { "end_time": "10:00", "start_time": "9:54", "text": "And for every scene, for instance, with Krish, he only looked like that for a few hours." }, { "end_time": "10:11", "start_time": "10:00", "text": "And then the next scene where he has to be topless, we would leave that another week because then I'd have to carb deplete him on him all over again and then carb load and then pump up and get rid of the fluid from underneath the skin." }, { "end_time": "10:15", "start_time": "10:11", "text": "So it's quite a process to look like that for a few hours." }, { "end_time": "10:17", "start_time": "10:15", "text": "He's not gonna look like that all year round." }, { "end_time": "10:17", "start_time": "10:17", "text": "Gotcha." }, { "end_time": "10:22", "start_time": "10:17", "text": "Why don't we talk about this, that you spoke about, the the, what'd you say?" }, { "end_time": "10:24", "start_time": "10:22", "text": "Carb Carb loading and depletion." }, { "end_time": "10:25", "start_time": "10:25", "text": "Depleting?" }, { "end_time": "10:29", "start_time": "10:26", "text": "And by depletion, you mean the fluid in the body?" }, { "end_time": "10:33", "start_time": "10:29", "text": "Well, we carb deplete, so we don't eat any carbohydrates for several days." }, { "end_time": "10:34", "start_time": "10:33", "text": "Well, maybe as as long as a week." }, { "end_time": "10:35", "start_time": "10:34", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "10:37", "start_time": "10:35", "text": "So no oats, no rice, no potato." }, { "end_time": "10:39", "start_time": "10:37", "text": "It's just protein and fibrous carbs." }, { "end_time": "10:43", "start_time": "10:39", "text": "So that would be vegetables, basically, like broccoli, lettuce, cucumber." }, { "end_time": "10:50", "start_time": "10:44", "text": "So, you know, you do that for a few days to completely get rid of all the pump or the glycogen in the muscle." }, { "end_time": "10:51", "start_time": "10:51", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "10:56", "start_time": "10:51", "text": "And then once you're completely depleted, then we fill it up really, really hard." }, { "end_time": "10:59", "start_time": "10:56", "text": "We load hard and then eat a lot of carbohydrates." }, { "end_time": "11:03", "start_time": "10:59", "text": "Like, he was on about 800 grams of carbohydrates, and that's a lot." }, { "end_time": "11:07", "start_time": "11:03", "text": "I'd get bodybuilders on that, but his body just takes a lot of carbohydrates." }, { "end_time": "11:13", "start_time": "11:07", "text": "So when he then did some pump ups, some exercises, the muscles just filled and filled and filled." }, { "end_time": "11:20", "start_time": "11:13", "text": "And with that carbohydrates, it pulls the fluid from underneath the skin that makes him look even leaner and more ripped." }, { "end_time": "11:25", "start_time": "11:20", "text": "So when does this process of the 800 grams of carb loading happen, like, right before the shoot?" }, { "end_time": "11:26", "start_time": "11:25", "text": "I like to do it 3 days before." }, { "end_time": "11:37", "start_time": "11:27", "text": "So I will load the hardest 3 days before, then I'll look at the physique the next day to see how many carbs we could probably push into him the next day and the day following." }, { "end_time": "11:38", "start_time": "11:37", "text": "A lot of people do it the other way around." }, { "end_time": "11:47", "start_time": "11:38", "text": "They'll carb load the day before, but then you could possibly spill over where you look softer the day before if that body doesn't take in the carbohydrates that you think it would." }, { "end_time": "11:52", "start_time": "11:47", "text": "Like, he takes in more carbs than me when it comes to carb loading, so everyone's different." }, { "end_time": "11:52", "start_time": "11:52", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "11:55", "start_time": "11:53", "text": "How did you figure this system in life?" }, { "end_time": "12:02", "start_time": "11:55", "text": "Like, as in did you, customize it for him, or is it like a standard system you follow as a coach?" }, { "end_time": "12:10", "start_time": "12:02", "text": "I followed that as as myself when I competed in, drug free bodybuilding for 10 years, 10 years." }, { "end_time": "12:14", "start_time": "12:10", "text": "And I I got as high as second in the natural world championships, and I was competing every year." }, { "end_time": "12:18", "start_time": "12:15", "text": "So I was using myself as a guinea pig because I didn't have any coaches." }, { "end_time": "12:21", "start_time": "12:18", "text": "I didn't really I wanted to learn myself, how the body would react." }, { "end_time": "12:24", "start_time": "12:21", "text": "No one's gonna know me myself better than I would." }, { "end_time": "12:25", "start_time": "12:24", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "12:30", "start_time": "12:25", "text": "So a lot of it was through trial and error and then having other clients and trying different protocols on them." }, { "end_time": "12:37", "start_time": "12:32", "text": "I mean, I'd love to know that when you're taking on a Bollywood project, you have trained other stars other than Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:38", "start_time": "12:37", "text": "Pritik as well." }, { "end_time": "12:47", "start_time": "12:39", "text": "What is the brief given to you, in terms of I'm assuming that the director or the art director, someone will tell you that, listen." }, { "end_time": "12:49", "start_time": "12:47", "text": "We want the body to look like this, Chris." }, { "end_time": "12:50", "start_time": "12:49", "text": "So how do we go about it?" }, { "end_time": "12:56", "start_time": "12:51", "text": "There's a lot of Indian coaches watching this where, you know, their clients tell them that, okay." }, { "end_time": "12:59", "start_time": "12:56", "text": "I want a body like Ritik in this movie or like John in that movie." }, { "end_time": "13:01", "start_time": "12:59", "text": "So this is sort of a one zero one for them as well." }, { "end_time": "13:07", "start_time": "13:02", "text": "And if you can boil it down to the basics, that would be even better because there's teenagers watching this as well." }, { "end_time": "13:07", "start_time": "13:07", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "13:10", "start_time": "13:07", "text": "It's basically I I like to learn what the scene is." }, { "end_time": "13:21", "start_time": "13:10", "text": "If a scene is like action and then that person has to do something powerful, explosive, maybe it's fighting someone, then I want their physique to look bigger, stronger, more imposing, and fuller, bigger." }, { "end_time": "13:26", "start_time": "13:22", "text": "So then I know what sort of carb loading process, depletion process, how much to pump up the physique." }, { "end_time": "13:41", "start_time": "13:27", "text": "But let's say if it's a dance or a romantic video or something like that, then I know the physique needs to look a little bit more slender, a little bit more symmetrical and balanced, less imposing, so then we don't push it as hard." }, { "end_time": "13:43", "start_time": "13:42", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "13:47", "start_time": "13:43", "text": "So you keep an end target of how you want the scene to look like in your mind?" }, { "end_time": "13:47", "start_time": "13:47", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "13:51", "start_time": "13:47", "text": "And then everything from the diet to the workout program is altered based on that?" }, { "end_time": "13:52", "start_time": "13:52", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "13:54", "start_time": "13:52", "text": "It's mostly nutrition based Okay." }, { "end_time": "13:57", "start_time": "13:54", "text": "And mostly, yeah, from a pump up beforehand based Gotcha." }, { "end_time": "13:59", "start_time": "13:57", "text": "How much you're gonna pump up." }, { "end_time": "14:03", "start_time": "13:59", "text": "But the the everything else previous to that is pretty much the same." }, { "end_time": "14:06", "start_time": "14:03", "text": "It's just like the last 3 days, everything changes." }, { "end_time": "14:13", "start_time": "14:07", "text": "I remember when I was at my peak of training, I feel I'm a lot more into yoga right now, but I had this whole power lifting phase." }, { "end_time": "14:17", "start_time": "14:13", "text": "Then I entered, like, a bit of a let's focus on hypertrophy kind of phase." }, { "end_time": "14:22", "start_time": "14:17", "text": "I'd often see that even peer reviewed studies, get updated really, really often." }, { "end_time": "14:27", "start_time": "14:22", "text": "Like, every 2 years, they figure that this is the new rep range that's ideal for building muscle." }, { "end_time": "14:27", "start_time": "14:27", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "14:28", "start_time": "14:27", "text": "This is the new rep range." }, { "end_time": "14:30", "start_time": "14:28", "text": "And it keeps kind of changing a little bit." }, { "end_time": "14:36", "start_time": "14:30", "text": "Like, I remember back in the day, we've always told to stick between 8 16 reps." }, { "end_time": "14:40", "start_time": "14:36", "text": "And there are studies now that, I mean, I'm sure you know Andrew Huberman." }, { "end_time": "14:40", "start_time": "14:40", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "14:42", "start_time": "14:40", "text": "So incredible podcast." }, { "end_time": "14:42", "start_time": "14:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:45", "start_time": "14:42", "text": "It's a big podcast recommendation for anyone who's into biology generally." }, { "end_time": "14:50", "start_time": "14:46", "text": "I was listening to a muscle centric podcast of Andrew Huberman." }, { "end_time": "14:54", "start_time": "14:50", "text": "Now there's a study that says that you can even go up to, like, 30 reps and you'll still gain hypertrophy." }, { "end_time": "14:55", "start_time": "14:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:57", "start_time": "14:55", "text": "I think Brad Schofield put out that paper." }, { "end_time": "14:57", "start_time": "14:57", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "14:58", "start_time": "14:57", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "14:58", "start_time": "14:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:01", "start_time": "14:58", "text": "And that's what I've been doing for many, many years." }, { "end_time": "15:09", "start_time": "15:01", "text": "I wanna ask you that because you spoke about how your exercise program, even for different clients, is sort of the same." }, { "end_time": "15:17", "start_time": "15:09", "text": "So, you know, if you're comfortable with it, I'd love to know, kind of what rep ranges you follow for your, clients." }, { "end_time": "15:23", "start_time": "15:17", "text": "And if you could give, like, a general kind of breakdown of your bodybuilding plan." }, { "end_time": "15:31", "start_time": "15:23", "text": "There's a lot of people who are gonna copy it, but I feel you can never actually copy the trainer because the trainer brings his or her own energy to the, to the mix." }, { "end_time": "15:33", "start_time": "15:31", "text": "But Chris Gethin, let us know." }, { "end_time": "15:34", "start_time": "15:34", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "15:35", "start_time": "15:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:41", "start_time": "15:35", "text": "The rep range that I generally work in with my clients are between 10 50 repetition." }, { "end_time": "15:42", "start_time": "15:41", "text": "50?" }, { "end_time": "15:42", "start_time": "15:42", "text": "50." }, { "end_time": "15:43", "start_time": "15:42", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "15:47", "start_time": "15:43", "text": "So I started a training principal many years ago called DTP." }, { "end_time": "15:59", "start_time": "15:48", "text": "And I started that out of accident because I'd had so many injuries, mostly from racing motocross years ago, and I was dealing with so much inflammation that I thought, well, look." }, { "end_time": "16:00", "start_time": "15:59", "text": "I can't stop training." }, { "end_time": "16:04", "start_time": "16:00", "text": "I don't wanna stop training because it's mentally therapeutic for me." }, { "end_time": "16:07", "start_time": "16:04", "text": "What if I just start going higher reps and lighter weight?" }, { "end_time": "16:08", "start_time": "16:07", "text": "So I would Brother, what is DTP?" }, { "end_time": "16:12", "start_time": "16:08", "text": "Like, what is It it stands for dramatic transformation principle." }, { "end_time": "16:12", "start_time": "16:12", "text": "Gotcha." }, { "end_time": "16:15", "start_time": "16:13", "text": "And there was no name to it back then." }, { "end_time": "16:18", "start_time": "16:15", "text": "I just started doing it, but then more and more people wanted to follow it." }, { "end_time": "16:19", "start_time": "16:18", "text": "So then I I named it." }, { "end_time": "16:28", "start_time": "16:20", "text": "And, so I would train to absolute failure, meaning that I couldn't do one more rep even if my life depended on it around 50 repetitions." }, { "end_time": "16:34", "start_time": "16:28", "text": "And then as that joint or tendon felt a little bit better the next week, I'd increase the weight and go for 40 repetitions." }, { "end_time": "16:37", "start_time": "16:35", "text": "And then the next week, it'd be 50, 40, 30." }, { "end_time": "16:42", "start_time": "16:37", "text": "Then a week after that, if I felt good, you know, 50, 40, 30, 20, and so on and so forth." }, { "end_time": "16:47", "start_time": "16:43", "text": "And then once I got down to my heaviest weight, I'd go I'd reverse." }, { "end_time": "16:54", "start_time": "16:47", "text": "So I'd do 10 reps and then 20 and then 30 and then 40 and 50, but resting for several minutes between these sets." }, { "end_time": "16:54", "start_time": "16:54", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "16:56", "start_time": "16:54", "text": "And just minutes?" }, { "end_time": "16:57", "start_time": "16:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:58", "start_time": "16:57", "text": "Maybe 2 to 3 minutes." }, { "end_time": "16:59", "start_time": "16:58", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "17:03", "start_time": "16:59", "text": "Usually, on the lower rep range, I would rest for about 3 minutes." }, { "end_time": "17:05", "start_time": "17:03", "text": "On the higher rep range, I'd rest for about a minute." }, { "end_time": "17:06", "start_time": "17:05", "text": "Gotcha." }, { "end_time": "17:09", "start_time": "17:06", "text": "I could talk about that, but we we'd have to get a little bit of scientific." }, { "end_time": "17:10", "start_time": "17:09", "text": "Go for it." }, { "end_time": "17:10", "start_time": "17:10", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "17:10", "start_time": "17:10", "text": "Alright." }, { "end_time": "17:16", "start_time": "17:11", "text": "So with the high rep range, you're relying on glycolictic energy, carbohydrates, glycogen." }, { "end_time": "17:24", "start_time": "17:16", "text": "So you've got a pool of them providing that you're eating plenty of carbohydrates that get stored in your muscle, in your liver, so you got plenty resources there." }, { "end_time": "17:28", "start_time": "17:24", "text": "So you can shorten the rest periods and keep pushing between these sets." }, { "end_time": "17:29", "start_time": "17:28", "text": "It burns." }, { "end_time": "17:29", "start_time": "17:29", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "17:42", "start_time": "17:29", "text": "You get a massive lactic acid buildup, but it creates what's called sarcoplasmic hypertrophy that will really shuttle fluid into the muscle, stretch the fascia, which is the webbing that prevents the muscle from growing." }, { "end_time": "17:43", "start_time": "17:42", "text": "Obviously, we don't want that." }, { "end_time": "17:44", "start_time": "17:43", "text": "We want it to grow." }, { "end_time": "17:50", "start_time": "17:45", "text": "And then as you go to the lower rep range, now we're relying on ATP, Addison triphosphate." }, { "end_time": "17:52", "start_time": "17:51", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "17:57", "start_time": "17:52", "text": "Now that can only replenish itself over time, so that's why you'd rest for about several minutes." }, { "end_time": "18:03", "start_time": "17:57", "text": "That's why you'll get a lot of bodybuilders using creatine because that provides energy to the ATP resources." }, { "end_time": "18:04", "start_time": "18:03", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "18:07", "start_time": "18:04", "text": "So we lengthen that rest period usually at that time." }, { "end_time": "18:12", "start_time": "18:07", "text": "So with with my clients, I'll put them through DTP, not all the time." }, { "end_time": "18:16", "start_time": "18:12", "text": "We did DTP today with Riddick, and that will generally look like this." }, { "end_time": "18:20", "start_time": "18:16", "text": "So for shoulder press, we did the Arnold press to begin with." }, { "end_time": "18:27", "start_time": "18:21", "text": "We did 30 reps, then 25 reps, then 20, then 15, then 10." }, { "end_time": "18:36", "start_time": "18:28", "text": "Then I went to the conventional shoulder press, and then we went 10, 15, 20, 25, and 30." }, { "end_time": "18:37", "start_time": "18:36", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "18:43", "start_time": "18:37", "text": "So, you know, we're targeting both our fast twitch muscle fibers and slow twitch muscle fibers." }, { "end_time": "18:52", "start_time": "18:43", "text": "So as you said, you know, the Brad Schofield's research is now showing that you can build muscle with higher reps, but we know that you can build it with lower reps." }, { "end_time": "18:54", "start_time": "18:52", "text": "So why leave any stone unturned?" }, { "end_time": "18:54", "start_time": "18:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:55", "start_time": "18:54", "text": "Why not do them all?" }, { "end_time": "18:57", "start_time": "18:56", "text": "Correct me if I'm wrong." }, { "end_time": "18:59", "start_time": "18:57", "text": "What's the other kind of hypertrophy other than sarcoplasmic?" }, { "end_time": "19:00", "start_time": "18:59", "text": "There's one more Myofibrilar." }, { "end_time": "19:01", "start_time": "19:00", "text": "Myofibrilar." }, { "end_time": "19:05", "start_time": "19:01", "text": "And that's that's through targeting your fast twitch muscle fibers." }, { "end_time": "19:05", "start_time": "19:05", "text": "Gotcha." }, { "end_time": "19:08", "start_time": "19:05", "text": "So what you're basically saying is, okay." }, { "end_time": "19:08", "start_time": "19:08", "text": "Hold on." }, { "end_time": "19:14", "start_time": "19:08", "text": "We we gotta dial back a little bit to break down the science here because this is very helpful for me when I used to train." }, { "end_time": "19:17", "start_time": "19:15", "text": "So correct me wherever I'm wrong." }, { "end_time": "19:26", "start_time": "19:18", "text": "Is sarcoplasmic hypertrophy like your muscles are built up of fibers and the volume of each of those fibers kind of grows a little bit?" }, { "end_time": "19:26", "start_time": "19:26", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "19:29", "start_time": "19:26", "text": "That's gonna be more the fluid within the fibers." }, { "end_time": "19:43", "start_time": "19:30", "text": "So you're gonna have this sarcoplasmic fluid, and that's what expands the fiber and expands through then the fascia, that that webbing that prevents the muscle from growing further and further and further." }, { "end_time": "19:45", "start_time": "19:43", "text": "So you're able to stretch that a little bit more." }, { "end_time": "19:52", "start_time": "19:46", "text": "So with that, you're really working on the pump as much as you possibly can so it feels like your skin is splitting." }, { "end_time": "20:02", "start_time": "19:52", "text": "That's what you get with high repetitions and short rest periods, providing that you're hydrated, you know, providing that you've got plenty of, carbohydrates, glycogen in your system." }, { "end_time": "20:06", "start_time": "20:02", "text": "And is sarcoplasmic hypertrophy the key for the way you look?" }, { "end_time": "20:08", "start_time": "20:07", "text": "I'd say it's both." }, { "end_time": "20:15", "start_time": "20:08", "text": "It's not one or the other because with myofibrilar hypertrophy, then that is going to expand the fibers more." }, { "end_time": "20:16", "start_time": "20:15", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "20:25", "start_time": "20:16", "text": "So you're working at sarcoplasmic, the fluid, and the fascia, and then you got the myofibrilar, which has gotta be more so the expansion of the fibers as they're being engaged through heavyweights." }, { "end_time": "20:29", "start_time": "20:25", "text": "It's kind of like you thinking of muscles like a sort of a pipe." }, { "end_time": "20:29", "start_time": "20:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:36", "start_time": "20:30", "text": "And so myofibril, hypertrophy will increase the volume of the pipe, and sarcoplasmic will fill it with fluid." }, { "end_time": "20:37", "start_time": "20:36", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "20:37", "start_time": "20:37", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "20:37", "start_time": "20:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:38", "start_time": "20:37", "text": "Gotcha." }, { "end_time": "20:47", "start_time": "20:38", "text": "And is it correct to say that sarcoplasmic hypertrophy and hypertrophy for those people who lost their means like growth in the size of your muscles, which is basically what most people want." }, { "end_time": "20:53", "start_time": "20:48", "text": "Is it correct to say that higher reps will help with their sarcoplasmic hypertrophy?" }, { "end_time": "20:54", "start_time": "20:53", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "20:56", "start_time": "20:54", "text": "Lower reps help with myofibril hypertrophy?" }, { "end_time": "20:56", "start_time": "20:56", "text": "You got it." }, { "end_time": "21:02", "start_time": "20:56", "text": "But when you combine the 2, they both benefit each other, and it's not just 2 x ing your hypertrophy." }, { "end_time": "21:04", "start_time": "21:02", "text": "It's probably, like, 2.5 or 3 x ing it." }, { "end_time": "21:05", "start_time": "21:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:09", "start_time": "21:05", "text": "And I think more than anything, it provides more longevity to the person." }, { "end_time": "21:13", "start_time": "21:09", "text": "Because when you're starting off with high repetitions, you're now warming up the joints." }, { "end_time": "21:17", "start_time": "21:13", "text": "You're putting synovial fluid, which is like a lubricant, into the joints." }, { "end_time": "21:24", "start_time": "21:18", "text": "There isn't very good blood flow to the tendons and ligaments, so you're actually warming up of those areas whilst you're working the muscles." }, { "end_time": "21:26", "start_time": "21:24", "text": "So it's kinda like a warm up." }, { "end_time": "21:27", "start_time": "21:26", "text": "However, it's to failure." }, { "end_time": "21:31", "start_time": "21:27", "text": "So it's a very efficient way of working out as well." }, { "end_time": "21:35", "start_time": "21:31", "text": "And, you know, our bodies go through wear and tear." }, { "end_time": "21:39", "start_time": "21:35", "text": "We all age, and there's only so many clicks of that pen that we get before it stops clicking." }, { "end_time": "21:42", "start_time": "21:39", "text": "So we wanna ensure that we can expand that." }, { "end_time": "21:45", "start_time": "21:42", "text": "We improve our longevity without actually getting old." }, { "end_time": "21:49", "start_time": "21:45", "text": "Man, I'm genuinely enjoying this conversation with you so much." }, { "end_time": "21:52", "start_time": "21:50", "text": "Let's go deeper into the science a little bit here." }, { "end_time": "21:52", "start_time": "21:52", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "21:54", "start_time": "21:53", "text": "Alright." }, { "end_time": "21:59", "start_time": "21:54", "text": "So I've got to ask you this from my own personal experience and from speaking to a lot of friends." }, { "end_time": "22:07", "start_time": "22:01", "text": "Stretching, mobility, yoga, these things are kind of coming to the forefront all over the world in the world of health." }, { "end_time": "22:18", "start_time": "22:07", "text": "I have noticed that friends of mine who practice specific forms of yoga where it is a little bit strength based, it actually benefits the way their frame looks, overall." }, { "end_time": "22:19", "start_time": "22:18", "text": "Like, if they combine it with weight training." }, { "end_time": "22:21", "start_time": "22:19", "text": "You've you've you have to kind of do weight training." }, { "end_time": "22:22", "start_time": "22:21", "text": "That's the base of it." }, { "end_time": "22:28", "start_time": "22:22", "text": "But you do get these slight visual benefits when you also focus on your flexibility, also focus on your mobility." }, { "end_time": "22:30", "start_time": "22:28", "text": "Let's keep Hrithik Roshan in mind for this." }, { "end_time": "22:32", "start_time": "22:30", "text": "He's a fucking amazing dancer." }, { "end_time": "22:38", "start_time": "22:32", "text": "Like, in order to be that level of a dancer, you have to be extremely flexible." }, { "end_time": "22:42", "start_time": "22:38", "text": "And I'm sure that he does some flexibility work to maintain that level of flexibility at his age." }, { "end_time": "22:44", "start_time": "22:42", "text": "He's more like 45 ish." }, { "end_time": "22:45", "start_time": "22:44", "text": "He's the same age as me." }, { "end_time": "22:46", "start_time": "22:45", "text": "48." }, { "end_time": "22:47", "start_time": "22:46", "text": "That that's crazy." }, { "end_time": "22:48", "start_time": "22:47", "text": "And he's still a fantastic dancer." }, { "end_time": "22:49", "start_time": "22:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:53", "start_time": "22:50", "text": "So, I mean, I'm sure he's done a lot of flexibility work." }, { "end_time": "22:56", "start_time": "22:53", "text": "And I'm sure that adds something to the training program." }, { "end_time": "22:57", "start_time": "22:56", "text": "Correct me if I'm wrong." }, { "end_time": "22:59", "start_time": "22:57", "text": "You know his body the best." }, { "end_time": "23:02", "start_time": "22:59", "text": "And I wanna know the science of this, if there is any." }, { "end_time": "23:12", "start_time": "23:03", "text": "And even if there's not a peer reviewed study yet, would you believe that higher flexibility and higher mobility actually changes the shape of your body?" }, { "end_time": "23:14", "start_time": "23:12", "text": "Because I I used to see this with guys in my gym as well." }, { "end_time": "23:16", "start_time": "23:14", "text": "The ones who didn't do any mobility work." }, { "end_time": "23:18", "start_time": "23:16", "text": "They're clearly, like, really stiff." }, { "end_time": "23:25", "start_time": "23:18", "text": "I feel like the end product with their bodies also wasn't as good as the people who actually focused on the mobility and flexibility." }, { "end_time": "23:27", "start_time": "23:26", "text": "So what do you think?" }, { "end_time": "23:30", "start_time": "23:28", "text": "So there isn't a right or wrong answer to that." }, { "end_time": "23:41", "start_time": "23:31", "text": "So when you're looking at somebody like, for instance, a Riddick who needs to dance, who needs to do, stunts well, he used to do his own stunts, a lot of action scenes, there needs to be a lot of flexibility." }, { "end_time": "23:47", "start_time": "23:41", "text": "And with the amount of injuries that that guy has had over the years, he needs to be very flexible." }, { "end_time": "23:58", "start_time": "23:47", "text": "So he spends nearly as much time, with flexibility, mobility, and muscle activation as he does training every single day." }, { "end_time": "24:02", "start_time": "23:58", "text": "Like, it was probably about 45 minutes of stretching this morning Wow." }, { "end_time": "24:04", "start_time": "24:02", "text": "Before his lifting session." }, { "end_time": "24:05", "start_time": "24:05", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "24:06", "start_time": "24:05", "text": "And lifting session was an hour." }, { "end_time": "24:11", "start_time": "24:07", "text": "So he he is very he's religious about that." }, { "end_time": "24:14", "start_time": "24:11", "text": "Now does that change the way that his physique looks?" }, { "end_time": "24:15", "start_time": "24:14", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "24:24", "start_time": "24:15", "text": "Because, like, I know a lot of bodybuilders and powerlifters who don't do any flexibility because they feel it compromises them when they're lifting extremely heavy weights." }, { "end_time": "24:32", "start_time": "24:24", "text": "They don't feel like they're stuck in a groove when they're doing a heavy dead lift or a bench press or anything like that because they're too mobile." }, { "end_time": "24:34", "start_time": "24:32", "text": "They feel like they need to be fixed in to a certain degree." }, { "end_time": "24:36", "start_time": "24:34", "text": "Is there science behind that?" }, { "end_time": "24:37", "start_time": "24:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:47", "start_time": "24:37", "text": "So there are is some science that shows that if you do any, like stretching or PNF stretching or anything like that prior to working out, it can decrease your strength." }, { "end_time": "24:54", "start_time": "24:47", "text": "However, you could look at the other side of the car and go, doesn't matter if my strength has decreased a little bit." }, { "end_time": "24:58", "start_time": "24:54", "text": "I just wanna look good and feel good and not get injured." }, { "end_time": "24:59", "start_time": "24:58", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "25:00", "start_time": "24:59", "text": "So there's two sides to that coin." }, { "end_time": "25:09", "start_time": "25:00", "text": "But if you look at, like, the top bodybuilders on the Olympia stage today, for instance, I don't think many of them, really stretch in that much." }, { "end_time": "25:10", "start_time": "25:09", "text": "There's a couple that I know." }, { "end_time": "25:16", "start_time": "25:10", "text": "Like, there's a guy called, Hunter Labrada who's probably gonna be top 5 in the Olympia this year." }, { "end_time": "25:24", "start_time": "25:16", "text": "He stretches religiously before his workouts, but he's one of the very, very few guys of that size that actually does." }, { "end_time": "25:25", "start_time": "25:25", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "25:26", "start_time": "25:25", "text": "Fair enough." }, { "end_time": "25:29", "start_time": "25:26", "text": "Do you think there's more research to be done in this?" }, { "end_time": "25:29", "start_time": "25:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:29", "start_time": "25:29", "text": "Probably." }, { "end_time": "25:30", "start_time": "25:29", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "25:30", "start_time": "25:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:32", "start_time": "25:30", "text": "I'd like to see a lot more research." }, { "end_time": "25:35", "start_time": "25:32", "text": "Like, I stretch in between every single one of my sets." }, { "end_time": "25:43", "start_time": "25:35", "text": "I'll do a little bit of mass muscle activation before my workouts, especially on larger muscle groups like legs, and it definitely helps me." }, { "end_time": "25:43", "start_time": "25:43", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "25:48", "start_time": "25:43", "text": "I feel that, you know, we're talking about stretching the muscle fascia, through blood flow." }, { "end_time": "25:56", "start_time": "25:48", "text": "Well, if you can stretch the fascia through extreme stretching as well, aminipulation through massage, then it can only benefit, I believe." }, { "end_time": "26:01", "start_time": "25:57", "text": "You look gorgeous, by the way, as in, like, your skin, all that, dude." }, { "end_time": "26:03", "start_time": "26:01", "text": "You look so much younger than, like, 48." }, { "end_time": "26:06", "start_time": "26:03", "text": "Like, I don't know if the camera catches it, but you look got a soft lens." }, { "end_time": "26:10", "start_time": "26:08", "text": "But you look like about, like, 35, 34." }, { "end_time": "26:11", "start_time": "26:10", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "26:12", "start_time": "26:11", "text": "You know, it's crazy." }, { "end_time": "26:12", "start_time": "26:12", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "26:17", "start_time": "26:12", "text": "I've got, I so I do it like my goal now is not so much, like, trying to pack on size." }, { "end_time": "26:25", "start_time": "26:17", "text": "It is at this moment because I've got a a project for next year, But my goal now is just longevity, and that's what I try to do with my clients now." }, { "end_time": "26:26", "start_time": "26:25", "text": "Does that mean?" }, { "end_time": "26:28", "start_time": "26:26", "text": "So increase my health span." }, { "end_time": "26:28", "start_time": "26:28", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "26:31", "start_time": "26:28", "text": "I think as we get a little bit older, we get a bit wiser." }, { "end_time": "26:34", "start_time": "26:31", "text": "We face mortality, and we realize, okay." }, { "end_time": "26:36", "start_time": "26:34", "text": "I wanna be here longer." }, { "end_time": "26:39", "start_time": "26:36", "text": "And it helps if you've got a partner that's, like, 15 years younger than you as well." }, { "end_time": "26:40", "start_time": "26:39", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "26:41", "start_time": "26:40", "text": "I gotta be around here." }, { "end_time": "26:53", "start_time": "26:42", "text": "So, you know, I really focus on everything that I do because I know bodybuilding or, you know, extreme athleticism, because I participate in quite a few different sports, causes a lot of inflammation." }, { "end_time": "26:54", "start_time": "26:53", "text": "It can cause aging." }, { "end_time": "26:58", "start_time": "26:54", "text": "Even though we look good, we've got abs, we don't know what's really going on in the inside." }, { "end_time": "27:03", "start_time": "26:58", "text": "And if you're overtraining, you're training really hard, it can shorten your lifespan." }, { "end_time": "27:12", "start_time": "27:03", "text": "So I focus on everything that I can and same with my clients, like with meditation, managing stress, making sure that the food that you're eating is very clean." }, { "end_time": "27:14", "start_time": "27:12", "text": "It's non inflammatory, same with supplements." }, { "end_time": "27:24", "start_time": "27:14", "text": "Going to bed really early, blocking artificial blue lights with blue light blocking glasses, grounding myself, taking my shoes and socks off, and going down to the beach, being open with nature." }, { "end_time": "27:25", "start_time": "27:24", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "27:26", "start_time": "27:25", "text": "Things like that is very, very important." }, { "end_time": "27:35", "start_time": "27:26", "text": "And I think there's a lot that we can learn from ancestral wisdom and, combining it with today's technology and biohacking." }, { "end_time": "27:36", "start_time": "27:35", "text": "So that's that's my goal." }, { "end_time": "27:44", "start_time": "27:36", "text": "So I have my biological age tested every single year, and I've been able to reduce it now for the past 7 years." }, { "end_time": "27:46", "start_time": "27:44", "text": "So my biological age now is 26." }, { "end_time": "27:47", "start_time": "27:47", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "27:52", "start_time": "27:47", "text": "When I started, it was 2 years older than my actual chronological age." }, { "end_time": "27:55", "start_time": "27:52", "text": "So I've been able to reverse that process every year." }, { "end_time": "27:58", "start_time": "27:55", "text": "How how do you even, like, measure the biological age?" }, { "end_time": "27:59", "start_time": "27:58", "text": "Is it like a body test?" }, { "end_time": "28:02", "start_time": "27:59", "text": "There's various ways that you can test it, yeah, through blood and saliva." }, { "end_time": "28:06", "start_time": "28:03", "text": "So there's, one is called like a methylation test." }, { "end_time": "28:09", "start_time": "28:06", "text": "Then there's another one called, a glycan age test." }, { "end_time": "28:17", "start_time": "28:09", "text": "You have glycans in your body, and you have this mitochondria, you know, which is your energy furnace that provides every cell in your body energy." }, { "end_time": "28:18", "start_time": "28:17", "text": "What's the glycan?" }, { "end_time": "28:19", "start_time": "28:18", "text": "Glycan." }, { "end_time": "28:24", "start_time": "28:19", "text": "So you have glycans in your body that can dictate your chronological age." }, { "end_time": "28:25", "start_time": "28:24", "text": "Same and there's another one." }, { "end_time": "28:26", "start_time": "28:25", "text": "It's called telomeres." }, { "end_time": "28:31", "start_time": "28:26", "text": "So think of, like, telomeres as like, you know, the this is the popular analogy." }, { "end_time": "28:37", "start_time": "28:32", "text": "Think of your shoelace, and then over the years, sometimes it starts to fray and then get shorter and shorter." }, { "end_time": "28:45", "start_time": "28:37", "text": "That's what happens with your telomeres in your body, and they use that measurement to dictate your biological age." }, { "end_time": "28:50", "start_time": "28:45", "text": "Because if if that phrase more and more, they've been able to see that that is part of the aging process." }, { "end_time": "28:54", "start_time": "28:50", "text": "So you're trying to prevent that or possibly reverse that." }, { "end_time": "28:55", "start_time": "28:54", "text": "How how do you reverse it?" }, { "end_time": "28:59", "start_time": "28:55", "text": "Like, you said that you've, been able to do it for 6 or 7 years." }, { "end_time": "29:01", "start_time": "28:59", "text": "I'm assuming that sleep is something you're focusing on." }, { "end_time": "29:02", "start_time": "29:01", "text": "Massive." }, { "end_time": "29:03", "start_time": "29:02", "text": "And what else?" }, { "end_time": "29:07", "start_time": "29:03", "text": "That's why I go to bed at 7:30 in the evening and, don't mingle with many people." }, { "end_time": "29:23", "start_time": "29:08", "text": "But, so for a couple of hours before bed, I'll block out all artificial blue light with red lens, blue light blocking glasses because, you know, you think of our ancestors that go to bed with a campfire or candlelight, and then they'd go to bed." }, { "end_time": "29:24", "start_time": "29:23", "text": "Now we have screens." }, { "end_time": "29:28", "start_time": "29:24", "text": "We have, artificial light bulbs that's emitting blue lights." }, { "end_time": "29:29", "start_time": "29:29", "text": "We have computer." }, { "end_time": "29:30", "start_time": "29:29", "text": "We have phone." }, { "end_time": "29:32", "start_time": "29:30", "text": "We have TV, cinema." }, { "end_time": "29:33", "start_time": "29:32", "text": "That's keeping us awake." }, { "end_time": "29:38", "start_time": "29:33", "text": "That raises our cortisol levels when our melatonin should be released." }, { "end_time": "29:40", "start_time": "29:38", "text": "If cortisol is high, we cannot release melatonin." }, { "end_time": "29:42", "start_time": "29:40", "text": "We can't lull ourselves to sleep." }, { "end_time": "29:46", "start_time": "29:42", "text": "And sleep has been shown as, like, the biggest dictator for longevity." }, { "end_time": "29:46", "start_time": "29:46", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "29:51", "start_time": "29:46", "text": "If we're not recovering, we're not performing not only from a physical aspect, but from a life aspect." }, { "end_time": "29:54", "start_time": "29:52", "text": "I'll make sure that I ground myself every day." }, { "end_time": "29:57", "start_time": "29:54", "text": "So, you know, I I do wear earthing shoes." }, { "end_time": "30:00", "start_time": "29:57", "text": "So they actually earth with the ground, if that makes sense." }, { "end_time": "30:09", "start_time": "30:00", "text": "Or, you know, whenever possible, take your shoes and socks off because now, you know, we're exposed to so many EMFs, satellite signals, dirty electricity." }, { "end_time": "30:17", "start_time": "30:10", "text": "It's very important that whatever penetrates us actually passes through us so we can absorb the negative eons, from the earth." }, { "end_time": "30:26", "start_time": "30:18", "text": "So, you know, like the the fanny pack that I've got there, that is, an EMF blocking fanny pack, and I have an EMF blocking phone case." }, { "end_time": "30:34", "start_time": "30:26", "text": "And in my hotel room, I've got, like, an EMF's pollutant scrambler because, obviously, I'm exposed to a lot of EMF in a hotel." }, { "end_time": "30:42", "start_time": "30:34", "text": "So, you know, I even have, the clothing that I'll wear that blocks EMFs when I'm on planes and stuff like that because I'm so exposed." }, { "end_time": "30:53", "start_time": "30:42", "text": "And whenever possible, I'm eating humane raised, organic, grass fed, wild caught because the majority of the antibiotics that we consume today is not through pharmaceuticals." }, { "end_time": "31:02", "start_time": "30:54", "text": "It's what the food is eating, the antibiotics that the fish are fed, you know, especially in a factory farmed, sensors." }, { "end_time": "31:09", "start_time": "31:02", "text": "And, some of the more extreme biohacks that I've done is like stem cells." }, { "end_time": "31:10", "start_time": "31:09", "text": "I've had stem cells." }, { "end_time": "31:27", "start_time": "31:10", "text": "I've flown overseas, to get stem cells on a couple of occasions now because as we get a little bit older, our stem cells decrease, and that is what allows our body to recover, especially from a physical standpoint as well through connective tissue, cartilage, hair, eyes, skin." }, { "end_time": "31:29", "start_time": "31:27", "text": "How how expensive was it?" }, { "end_time": "31:33", "start_time": "31:29", "text": "It was quite expensive, but it was less than half the price that I'd get in the US." }, { "end_time": "31:43", "start_time": "31:33", "text": "And it's more efficacious when you go to places like Mexico, Panama, Colombia because they are allowed to harvest the stem cells over, say, a 2 week period." }, { "end_time": "31:46", "start_time": "31:43", "text": "They can't do that by law in somewhere in the US." }, { "end_time": "31:50", "start_time": "31:46", "text": "You get much more stem cells but much cheaper." }, { "end_time": "31:53", "start_time": "31:50", "text": "But it cost $20,000 for me to have that done." }, { "end_time": "31:53", "start_time": "31:53", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "32:00", "start_time": "31:53", "text": "But I had that done primarily for injuries, but it can prevent the onset of aging as well." }, { "end_time": "32:00", "start_time": "32:00", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "32:06", "start_time": "32:00", "text": "You know, like, I tore I snowboard in a year and a half ago, and I tore 68% of my tricep off the bone." }, { "end_time": "32:06", "start_time": "32:06", "text": "What the?" }, { "end_time": "32:07", "start_time": "32:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:09", "start_time": "32:07", "text": "So I had to have that reattached." }, { "end_time": "32:15", "start_time": "32:09", "text": "The the surgery was more painful than the than the actual, than me tearing it." }, { "end_time": "32:16", "start_time": "32:15", "text": "You know, I tore it." }, { "end_time": "32:17", "start_time": "32:16", "text": "I knew immediately it'd come off." }, { "end_time": "32:19", "start_time": "32:17", "text": "You know, I could feel it just hanging there." }, { "end_time": "32:22", "start_time": "32:19", "text": "But, I'd had I've had so many injuries since I was a kid." }, { "end_time": "32:25", "start_time": "32:22", "text": "I was like, well, there's nothing I can do about it." }, { "end_time": "32:28", "start_time": "32:25", "text": "And it was on Valentine's Day, so I was like, well, I'm not gonna go to the hospital now." }, { "end_time": "32:33", "start_time": "32:28", "text": "I booked a seat I booked a table, and they had bone marrow there, and I love bone marrow." }, { "end_time": "32:40", "start_time": "32:33", "text": "So I went to the hotel, and I got, you know, the string that you get from the robe and strapped my arm straight, and we went out and had dinner." }, { "end_time": "32:42", "start_time": "32:40", "text": "And, that was okay." }, { "end_time": "32:49", "start_time": "32:42", "text": "It was just the next when I had to have surgery because I had to drill through the femur and the humerus to reattach the tendons." }, { "end_time": "32:50", "start_time": "32:49", "text": "I was a little bit gnarly." }, { "end_time": "32:53", "start_time": "32:50", "text": "So I went and had stem cells after to help with the healing." }, { "end_time": "32:54", "start_time": "32:53", "text": "What does it feel like?" }, { "end_time": "32:55", "start_time": "32:54", "text": "It just hangs off." }, { "end_time": "32:56", "start_time": "32:55", "text": "It's just soft." }, { "end_time": "33:00", "start_time": "32:56", "text": "And, I've torn it a couple of times internally since then, not in the gym." }, { "end_time": "33:02", "start_time": "33:00", "text": "I never I never tear things in the gym." }, { "end_time": "33:04", "start_time": "33:02", "text": "It's always outside because I do extreme stuff." }, { "end_time": "33:07", "start_time": "33:05", "text": "But, like, I I feel it bleeding inside." }, { "end_time": "33:08", "start_time": "33:07", "text": "You you can actually you it's weird." }, { "end_time": "33:09", "start_time": "33:08", "text": "You always look down." }, { "end_time": "33:16", "start_time": "33:09", "text": "You're like, there should be blood there because, like, you could feel it trickling down, but it's not there's nothing there because it's bleeding internally." }, { "end_time": "33:18", "start_time": "33:17", "text": "It's it's bizarre." }, { "end_time": "33:23", "start_time": "33:18", "text": "Like, I was at Riddick's gym the other day, and the toilet lid was kinda loose." }, { "end_time": "33:26", "start_time": "33:23", "text": "And it, like, almost fell off, so I went to grab it." }, { "end_time": "33:27", "start_time": "33:26", "text": "And I felt it pull then." }, { "end_time": "33:28", "start_time": "33:27", "text": "It's always things like that." }, { "end_time": "33:30", "start_time": "33:29", "text": "It's nothing heroic." }, { "end_time": "33:31", "start_time": "33:30", "text": "It's always things like that." }, { "end_time": "33:32", "start_time": "33:31", "text": "I'm like, jeez." }, { "end_time": "33:33", "start_time": "33:32", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "33:34", "start_time": "33:33", "text": "I felt my tricep go again." }, { "end_time": "33:35", "start_time": "33:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:36", "start_time": "33:35", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "33:39", "start_time": "33:36", "text": "Let's let's talk about the stem cell stuff again." }, { "end_time": "33:39", "start_time": "33:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:39", "start_time": "33:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:41", "start_time": "33:39", "text": "You spoke about harvesting stem cells." }, { "end_time": "33:49", "start_time": "33:42", "text": "I don't mind if you'd get into the basics of it because as far as I understand, I'm not sure if stem cells are entirely lab made." }, { "end_time": "33:49", "start_time": "33:49", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "33:52", "start_time": "33:49", "text": "Like, they use, embryo cells?" }, { "end_time": "33:52", "start_time": "33:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:52", "start_time": "33:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:53", "start_time": "33:52", "text": "Embryonic." }, { "end_time": "33:55", "start_time": "33:54", "text": "So how does that actually work?" }, { "end_time": "34:00", "start_time": "33:55", "text": "Like, I'm assuming there's an embryo inside a lady's stomach, and they're able to harvest some of the cells from that embryo?" }, { "end_time": "34:01", "start_time": "34:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:03", "start_time": "34:01", "text": "So there's different ways you can get stem cells." }, { "end_time": "34:07", "start_time": "34:03", "text": "So you can have your own stem cells extracted from, like, your bone marrow Okay." }, { "end_time": "34:08", "start_time": "34:07", "text": "Or your body fat." }, { "end_time": "34:10", "start_time": "34:08", "text": "Body fat isn't really that good." }, { "end_time": "34:16", "start_time": "34:11", "text": "But the thing is I'm not really interested in that because that's only be really as good as my own stem cells are." }, { "end_time": "34:17", "start_time": "34:16", "text": "Have you done it?" }, { "end_time": "34:18", "start_time": "34:17", "text": "Stem cells?" }, { "end_time": "34:18", "start_time": "34:18", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "34:18", "start_time": "34:18", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "34:19", "start_time": "34:18", "text": "Like extracting it." }, { "end_time": "34:20", "start_time": "34:19", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "34:20", "start_time": "34:20", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "34:20", "start_time": "34:20", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "34:21", "start_time": "34:20", "text": "Don't bother with that." }, { "end_time": "34:23", "start_time": "34:21", "text": "I'm assuming that'll be really painful." }, { "end_time": "34:23", "start_time": "34:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:23", "start_time": "34:23", "text": "I can't." }, { "end_time": "34:25", "start_time": "34:23", "text": "I've I know a few people that have it added done." }, { "end_time": "34:27", "start_time": "34:25", "text": "You you usually get it withdrawn from your spine or something." }, { "end_time": "34:28", "start_time": "34:27", "text": "What the Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:30", "start_time": "34:28", "text": "And it can be quite painful." }, { "end_time": "34:34", "start_time": "34:30", "text": "A good friend of mine who was in India with me a a few years ago, actually, Ben Greenfield Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:35", "start_time": "34:34", "text": "He had it done there." }, { "end_time": "34:43", "start_time": "34:35", "text": "And, yeah, but I I think it's so much better if you can actually go for, like, the umbilical stem cell." }, { "end_time": "34:48", "start_time": "34:43", "text": "So they can extract the stem cells from the umbilical cord of a of a of a baby." }, { "end_time": "34:55", "start_time": "34:48", "text": "And you'd go to places like Colombia or whatever where they they store the stem cells usually for that family." }, { "end_time": "35:01", "start_time": "34:55", "text": "So if that family ever needs stem cell or that baby as an adult needs stem cells, they've got a bank there." }, { "end_time": "35:02", "start_time": "35:01", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "35:03", "start_time": "35:02", "text": "Quite a few people do this." }, { "end_time": "35:08", "start_time": "35:04", "text": "But then they will donate so many of those stem cells to someone like me." }, { "end_time": "35:09", "start_time": "35:09", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "35:16", "start_time": "35:09", "text": "And then in return, they'll allow those patients to have their stem cells banked for free." }, { "end_time": "35:17", "start_time": "35:16", "text": "Oh." }, { "end_time": "35:17", "start_time": "35:17", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "35:18", "start_time": "35:17", "text": "And that's kinda how it works." }, { "end_time": "35:21", "start_time": "35:19", "text": "And, they can actually harvest those stem cells." }, { "end_time": "35:27", "start_time": "35:21", "text": "So 20,000,000 could turn into 200,000,000 in a lab from from those stem cells." }, { "end_time": "35:29", "start_time": "35:28", "text": "It grows like fungus or something?" }, { "end_time": "35:31", "start_time": "35:30", "text": "I don't know actually how it grows." }, { "end_time": "35:33", "start_time": "35:31", "text": "I've never really seen it." }, { "end_time": "35:37", "start_time": "35:33", "text": "But, I I I well, it's on a petri dish, and that's kind of how it grows." }, { "end_time": "35:39", "start_time": "35:38", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "35:42", "start_time": "35:39", "text": "So how did they put it inside your body then?" }, { "end_time": "35:44", "start_time": "35:42", "text": "They inject it into your bloodstream, Strayedou?" }, { "end_time": "35:44", "start_time": "35:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:49", "start_time": "35:44", "text": "So the last time that I had it done, was in Mexico, the Chipster Hospital." }, { "end_time": "35:56", "start_time": "35:50", "text": "So Chipster Hospital is one of the leading cancer hospitals, that that that practices like Gerson Therapy." }, { "end_time": "36:07", "start_time": "35:56", "text": "And so the surgeons there are very used to injecting, like, cancerous tumors, which are very vascular, so they have to be pinpoint accurate at injecting these tumors, obviously." }, { "end_time": "36:12", "start_time": "36:07", "text": "So they have to use, ultrasound to see exactly where they're injecting." }, { "end_time": "36:15", "start_time": "36:12", "text": "So then I you would show them, and I did." }, { "end_time": "36:24", "start_time": "36:15", "text": "I showed them X rays and MRIs prior to visiting and told them exactly where I'm feeling the discomfort, let's say if it's in my knee, shoulder, tricep, wherever." }, { "end_time": "36:37", "start_time": "36:24", "text": "And then when I'm there, that's exactly where they'll inject maybe once, maybe 4 times to a certain area, maybe into the joint socket, maybe to the tendon surrounding, and then you cannot train." }, { "end_time": "36:45", "start_time": "36:37", "text": "You cannot do any activity or hard activity for about 3 months after because the stem cells go towards the trauma." }, { "end_time": "36:50", "start_time": "36:45", "text": "But let's say if I go to the gym and hit bench press, I'm creating more trauma, so the stem cells are gonna go there." }, { "end_time": "36:50", "start_time": "36:50", "text": "Fuck." }, { "end_time": "36:54", "start_time": "36:50", "text": "So you have to have them stabilized to the certain areas that you work in." }, { "end_time": "36:55", "start_time": "36:54", "text": "And that's why it's very good." }, { "end_time": "37:00", "start_time": "36:55", "text": "If you go to a reputable place, they will put you in a hyperbaric oxygen chamber straight after." }, { "end_time": "37:05", "start_time": "37:00", "text": "Then you do something that's called PEMF, which is pulsed electronic magnetic field therapy." }, { "end_time": "37:08", "start_time": "37:05", "text": "You'll do a blood transfusion of ozone therapy." }, { "end_time": "37:17", "start_time": "37:09", "text": "So all of these things really help detox the body, get rid of a lot of senescent cells, which are like dead zombie like cells in your body." }, { "end_time": "37:22", "start_time": "37:17", "text": "And, it will help stabilize and proliferate those stem cells so they're that much more stabilized in your body." }, { "end_time": "37:25", "start_time": "37:22", "text": "What does it feel like after you're done with it?" }, { "end_time": "37:25", "start_time": "37:25", "text": "Painful." }, { "end_time": "37:25", "start_time": "37:25", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "37:26", "start_time": "37:25", "text": "You're stiff." }, { "end_time": "37:32", "start_time": "37:26", "text": "Because they're putting in needles that are several inches long into your joints." }, { "end_time": "37:32", "start_time": "37:32", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "37:35", "start_time": "37:32", "text": "And, so from that, you're gonna be sore." }, { "end_time": "37:35", "start_time": "37:35", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "37:38", "start_time": "37:35", "text": "You're walking peg legged for the next couple of days." }, { "end_time": "37:38", "start_time": "37:38", "text": "Really?" }, { "end_time": "37:39", "start_time": "37:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "37:40", "start_time": "37:39", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "37:43", "start_time": "37:40", "text": "And straight I mean, transparent question." }, { "end_time": "37:46", "start_time": "37:43", "text": "Rich people all over the world are doing these things now." }, { "end_time": "37:46", "start_time": "37:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "37:48", "start_time": "37:46", "text": "A lot of a lot of athletes do it." }, { "end_time": "37:50", "start_time": "37:48", "text": "So, you know, I followed the UFC." }, { "end_time": "37:54", "start_time": "37:50", "text": "I've trained a few a few fighters, and a lot of them get it done." }, { "end_time": "38:01", "start_time": "37:54", "text": "A lot of top wrestlers go and, like, one of the top wrestlers, was with me when I was getting my stem cells done now." }, { "end_time": "38:13", "start_time": "38:01", "text": "A lot of top athletes, basketball players, they all go get them done because, you know, sometimes they're getting paid 100 of 1,000,000 of dollars for a season, so they need to continue to play." }, { "end_time": "38:14", "start_time": "38:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "38:25", "start_time": "38:14", "text": "I mean, you don't have to name anyone if you don't feel like, but I'd love to know what it's like training a UFC athlete because the bodies are put through so much wear and tear that it kind of changes their biology." }, { "end_time": "38:32", "start_time": "38:26", "text": "So even if you're training with them or you're training them as clients, how is it different training their body?" }, { "end_time": "38:37", "start_time": "38:32", "text": "Because it must be crazy different focusing on hypertrophy for body Bollywood stars." }, { "end_time": "38:37", "start_time": "38:37", "text": "Oh, yes." }, { "end_time": "38:37", "start_time": "38:37", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "38:40", "start_time": "38:37", "text": "And then on the other end, you're training them for sports specific training here." }, { "end_time": "38:43", "start_time": "38:40", "text": "What is it like training them for, see, what are their bodies like?" }, { "end_time": "38:44", "start_time": "38:43", "text": "What are their mentalities like?" }, { "end_time": "38:47", "start_time": "38:44", "text": "And what do they need from a trainer?" }, { "end_time": "38:47", "start_time": "38:47", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "38:48", "start_time": "38:47", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "38:53", "start_time": "38:48", "text": "So their mentality is usually very, very strong, but sometimes it can be it can be a little bit too relaxed." }, { "end_time": "38:54", "start_time": "38:53", "text": "Really?" }, { "end_time": "38:54", "start_time": "38:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "38:56", "start_time": "38:54", "text": "Because, you know, they could be getting ready for a fight." }, { "end_time": "38:57", "start_time": "38:56", "text": "And I go, and you know what?" }, { "end_time": "38:59", "start_time": "38:57", "text": "Because of some they have to make weight." }, { "end_time": "39:05", "start_time": "39:00", "text": "And they're like, well, I can lose it all in the last week because that's what they've always done through a lot of dehydration." }, { "end_time": "39:13", "start_time": "39:05", "text": "You cannot rehydrate in 24 hours properly, before a fight unless you're taking IVs, and now that's illegal." }, { "end_time": "39:16", "start_time": "39:13", "text": "So you can't do an IV of, a fluid now." }, { "end_time": "39:19", "start_time": "39:17", "text": "So a a lot of it is kind of prehistoric." }, { "end_time": "39:26", "start_time": "39:19", "text": "So when you come in with a new point of view, it can be a little bit difficult if that person has just won world championships without that." }, { "end_time": "39:34", "start_time": "39:26", "text": "So everybody's gonna be a little bit different, but the the perspective is usually, I'm not there to improve them as a fighter." }, { "end_time": "39:37", "start_time": "39:34", "text": "I'm there to improve their strength and conditioning." }, { "end_time": "39:40", "start_time": "39:38", "text": "The fight coach does his job." }, { "end_time": "39:42", "start_time": "39:40", "text": "I just improve the strength and conditioning of the athletes." }, { "end_time": "39:52", "start_time": "39:42", "text": "When you say strength and conditioning specifically for an MMA fighter, it's strength in order to throw a heavier punch or a kick or to hold down someone when you're grappling." }, { "end_time": "39:52", "start_time": "39:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "39:53", "start_time": "39:52", "text": "It's very explosive." }, { "end_time": "39:54", "start_time": "39:54", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "39:56", "start_time": "39:54", "text": "So all the work has to be explosive." }, { "end_time": "40:00", "start_time": "39:56", "text": "So with, for instance, an actor, I'm getting to do in controlled movement." }, { "end_time": "40:00", "start_time": "40:00", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "40:02", "start_time": "40:00", "text": "We count the negative." }, { "end_time": "40:12", "start_time": "40:02", "text": "With the, you push that resistance as fast as you possibly can because chest is a punching punching muscle, same as your triceps, same as your shoulders." }, { "end_time": "40:18", "start_time": "40:13", "text": "So we have to engage as many muscle fibers as fast, as quick, and as many as possible." }, { "end_time": "40:19", "start_time": "40:18", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "40:20", "start_time": "40:19", "text": "So it's very explosive movements." }, { "end_time": "40:28", "start_time": "40:20", "text": "And then from a conditioning standpoint, have to just work through pushing through lactic acid thresholds where usually you'd stop at 12 reps." }, { "end_time": "40:28", "start_time": "40:28", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "40:29", "start_time": "40:28", "text": "We got a good pump or whatever." }, { "end_time": "40:30", "start_time": "40:29", "text": "It's like, okay." }, { "end_time": "40:37", "start_time": "40:30", "text": "We're gonna do 30 reps, then we're gonna drop the weights and do another 30, and then another 30, another 30, and then we're gonna go for some sprints." }, { "end_time": "40:37", "start_time": "40:37", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "40:38", "start_time": "40:37", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "40:39", "start_time": "40:38", "text": "It's it's very different." }, { "end_time": "40:41", "start_time": "40:39", "text": "It's like pushing the body to its absolute max." }, { "end_time": "40:44", "start_time": "40:41", "text": "So there's customization based on the person and their systems." }, { "end_time": "40:48", "start_time": "40:44", "text": "But whenever you're training an MMA fighter, it's always about training them for power and explosiveness." }, { "end_time": "40:49", "start_time": "40:49", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "40:52", "start_time": "40:49", "text": "I'm assuming it's the same with other sports as well." }, { "end_time": "40:52", "start_time": "40:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "40:57", "start_time": "40:52", "text": "It's gonna be, you know, again, you know, more sprinting, more combat sports." }, { "end_time": "40:57", "start_time": "40:57", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "41:05", "start_time": "40:57", "text": "Whereas if you look at something else like long distance running, ultramarathon, Ironman Triathlon, that's very, very different again." }, { "end_time": "41:05", "start_time": "41:05", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "41:07", "start_time": "41:05", "text": "That's more, okay, endurance based." }, { "end_time": "41:11", "start_time": "41:07", "text": "Now we've gotta train a lot going long and slow." }, { "end_time": "41:17", "start_time": "41:11", "text": "You know, because sometimes you have to be in the gray zones of recovery or explosiveness." }, { "end_time": "41:21", "start_time": "41:18", "text": "So what rep range will you take if you're training someone for a marathon?" }, { "end_time": "41:24", "start_time": "41:21", "text": "Usually very, very low, funnily enough." }, { "end_time": "41:24", "start_time": "41:24", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "41:27", "start_time": "41:25", "text": "Because, like, I've done some ultra marathons myself." }, { "end_time": "41:32", "start_time": "41:27", "text": "I've done Ironman triathlon, and I made the mistake of thinking, okay." }, { "end_time": "41:38", "start_time": "41:32", "text": "If I do high reps, then that should replicate itself to my run, you know, because I'll be running for high reps." }, { "end_time": "41:42", "start_time": "41:39", "text": "But I noticed that I overtrained very, very quickly." }, { "end_time": "41:43", "start_time": "41:42", "text": "I just was not recovering." }, { "end_time": "41:51", "start_time": "41:43", "text": "So then I brought down the volume of my rep range from, say, 25, 30 down to 8 to tens, and I was able to recover that much faster." }, { "end_time": "41:56", "start_time": "41:52", "text": "So I think it's very important that you don't have a crossover of these systems." }, { "end_time": "41:59", "start_time": "41:56", "text": "We are training both of them all every day." }, { "end_time": "41:59", "start_time": "41:59", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "42:00", "start_time": "41:59", "text": "It's like, okay." }, { "end_time": "42:04", "start_time": "42:00", "text": "We do one for weight training, and one is completely different for endurance." }, { "end_time": "42:10", "start_time": "42:05", "text": "When you go into this rep range of, like, 50, 100, does it have hypertrophy benefits?" }, { "end_time": "42:11", "start_time": "42:10", "text": "Oh, yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:11", "start_time": "42:11", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "42:12", "start_time": "42:11", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "42:13", "start_time": "42:12", "text": "Your muscles will grow bigger?" }, { "end_time": "42:14", "start_time": "42:13", "text": "No doubt about it." }, { "end_time": "42:14", "start_time": "42:14", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "42:19", "start_time": "42:15", "text": "It all comes down to the intensity that you're willing to apply." }, { "end_time": "42:24", "start_time": "42:20", "text": "Like, some people could go through that process and go, well, I didn't build any muscle." }, { "end_time": "42:30", "start_time": "42:24", "text": "Well, the thing is about 1% of the population that train train hard." }, { "end_time": "42:35", "start_time": "42:31", "text": "But the 99% are convinced that they train hard." }, { "end_time": "42:38", "start_time": "42:36", "text": "Let's talk about fucking training hard." }, { "end_time": "42:40", "start_time": "42:38", "text": "What does that mean?" }, { "end_time": "42:42", "start_time": "42:40", "text": "Is that the mind muscle connection angle?" }, { "end_time": "42:44", "start_time": "42:42", "text": "Is it the mentality while training?" }, { "end_time": "42:46", "start_time": "42:44", "text": "And I'll tell you why I say this." }, { "end_time": "42:55", "start_time": "42:47", "text": "I started playing football, like, 3 years back to cope with the breakup, and it was the best decision I ever made for myself because it gives you so much mental peace when you're engaged in sport." }, { "end_time": "42:59", "start_time": "42:57", "text": "I started getting injured, like, in football." }, { "end_time": "43:02", "start_time": "42:59", "text": "You know, I just, like, twist my ankle, and I realized my body's too rigid." }, { "end_time": "43:05", "start_time": "43:02", "text": "That got me into stretching and yoga." }, { "end_time": "43:08", "start_time": "43:05", "text": "And the stretching kind of helped my healing as well." }, { "end_time": "43:09", "start_time": "43:08", "text": "I don't know how." }, { "end_time": "43:09", "start_time": "43:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "43:11", "start_time": "43:09", "text": "I've heard that from a few people." }, { "end_time": "43:14", "start_time": "43:11", "text": "Even my skin, my hair, all of it, like, just everything changed." }, { "end_time": "43:17", "start_time": "43:15", "text": "And I wasn't even doing proper yoga." }, { "end_time": "43:18", "start_time": "43:17", "text": "I was doing, like, sports stretching." }, { "end_time": "43:20", "start_time": "43:18", "text": "You know, just opening up your hip, things like that." }, { "end_time": "43:22", "start_time": "43:21", "text": "Benefited me tremendously." }, { "end_time": "43:25", "start_time": "43:23", "text": "Then I gradually started getting into a bit of yoga." }, { "end_time": "43:33", "start_time": "43:26", "text": "And the rule with yoga is that when you're stretching, especially when you're intense stretches, you try not listening to music or podcasts or anything." }, { "end_time": "43:35", "start_time": "43:33", "text": "And you'd need to be just in the stretch." }, { "end_time": "43:41", "start_time": "43:35", "text": "That's when I really started seeing the difference in my own flexibility or openness of my body." }, { "end_time": "43:44", "start_time": "43:41", "text": "And I figured that let me apply it to weight training as well." }, { "end_time": "43:47", "start_time": "43:44", "text": "And then I started seeing benefits there as well." }, { "end_time": "43:49", "start_time": "43:47", "text": "I just felt like my muscles were responding better." }, { "end_time": "43:52", "start_time": "43:49", "text": "My recovery was better when I was completely engaged in the workout." }, { "end_time": "43:54", "start_time": "43:53", "text": "Is this what you mean?" }, { "end_time": "43:54", "start_time": "43:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "43:55", "start_time": "43:54", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "44:07", "start_time": "43:55", "text": "You know, you have to well, that's one of the parts because you need to have that mind muscle connection where you are focusing and visualize visualizing the anatomy and the physiology of the muscle as you're training it." }, { "end_time": "44:16", "start_time": "44:07", "text": "So a lot of the time, if I'm training someone, I'm especially on their posterior chains, such as their rear delts, their back, their hamstrings, people are pretty good at training their mirror muscles." }, { "end_time": "44:19", "start_time": "44:16", "text": "The ones that they see, those are the ones that grow." }, { "end_time": "44:25", "start_time": "44:19", "text": "So I'm always poking the muscle that that person is trying to train to activate that neuromuscular pathway." }, { "end_time": "44:27", "start_time": "44:26", "text": "Their senses are good." }, { "end_time": "44:27", "start_time": "44:27", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "44:29", "start_time": "44:27", "text": "I'm I'm working this muscle group." }, { "end_time": "44:30", "start_time": "44:29", "text": "So that's very important." }, { "end_time": "44:35", "start_time": "44:30", "text": "And then finding failure in the gym is the only place that we'll find success." }, { "end_time": "44:39", "start_time": "44:35", "text": "Do you do you train all your clients to failure in, like Everybody." }, { "end_time": "44:40", "start_time": "44:39", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "44:45", "start_time": "44:40", "text": "Everybody because that's the only stimuli that's gonna allow the body to change." }, { "end_time": "44:49", "start_time": "44:45", "text": "So for people who don't know what failure means, I'm actually gonna let Chris explain it." }, { "end_time": "44:50", "start_time": "44:49", "text": "Go ahead, man." }, { "end_time": "44:52", "start_time": "44:50", "text": "I'm embarrassed to, like, explain anything." }, { "end_time": "44:53", "start_time": "44:52", "text": "You can carry on, bud." }, { "end_time": "45:04", "start_time": "44:54", "text": "So failure is, you know, performing one more rep even if your life depended on it or as if your life depended on it." }, { "end_time": "45:12", "start_time": "45:04", "text": "So if you think about a time where you've been maybe under the water, you cannot breathe, you cannot get to the surface quick enough, you are desperate." }, { "end_time": "45:20", "start_time": "45:13", "text": "That's how desperate you need to be for completing that last repetition, where it's really uncomfortable." }, { "end_time": "45:24", "start_time": "45:20", "text": "And a lot of people stop before then because they're used to more comfort." }, { "end_time": "45:25", "start_time": "45:25", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "45:31", "start_time": "45:25", "text": "So that's where the 1% are made in training to absolute failure." }, { "end_time": "45:33", "start_time": "45:31", "text": "You know, people get a little bit too scientific." }, { "end_time": "45:35", "start_time": "45:33", "text": "They overcomplicate things." }, { "end_time": "45:40", "start_time": "45:35", "text": "They're like, oh, you know, your legs need to be at this angle when you're doing a squat, or your calves need to be." }, { "end_time": "45:42", "start_time": "45:40", "text": "And it's like, just push, man." }, { "end_time": "45:43", "start_time": "45:42", "text": "Just push." }, { "end_time": "45:44", "start_time": "45:43", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "45:47", "start_time": "45:44", "text": "You know, it it all comes down to how bad you really want it." }, { "end_time": "45:53", "start_time": "45:47", "text": "And if you are as desperate for that last repetition as you are to breathe, then you'll get it." }, { "end_time": "46:00", "start_time": "45:53", "text": "If you think that you can mess around on your phone and have a chat with other people in the gym and then train fucking hard, you're not training hard, man." }, { "end_time": "46:00", "start_time": "46:00", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "46:06", "start_time": "46:00", "text": "As soon as you finish that set, you should be focused and psyching yourself up for that next set." }, { "end_time": "46:07", "start_time": "46:07", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "46:08", "start_time": "46:07", "text": "You don't have time for distraction." }, { "end_time": "46:10", "start_time": "46:09", "text": "That is your work." }, { "end_time": "46:13", "start_time": "46:10", "text": "That is where you've gotta find that success, and it's through the sacrifice." }, { "end_time": "46:14", "start_time": "46:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:17", "start_time": "46:14", "text": "But not many people are willing to make that type of sacrifice." }, { "end_time": "46:19", "start_time": "46:17", "text": "They've just convinced themselves that they already are." }, { "end_time": "46:19", "start_time": "46:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:22", "start_time": "46:19", "text": "We had a Shaolin warrior monk on the show as well." }, { "end_time": "46:29", "start_time": "46:22", "text": "And, he spoke about exercise based meditation, which basically means exactly what you said." }, { "end_time": "46:37", "start_time": "46:29", "text": "Like, you're saying it in a different way, but it's exactly what you said that you give your body 15 minutes at least every day, at least in his school." }, { "end_time": "46:43", "start_time": "46:37", "text": "I look at it as, like, 45 minutes ish where you're just engaged with your body." }, { "end_time": "46:47", "start_time": "46:43", "text": "Nothing about your career, nothing about your breakups, nothing even about family." }, { "end_time": "46:49", "start_time": "46:47", "text": "It's just you and your body." }, { "end_time": "46:52", "start_time": "46:49", "text": "It's an extremely primal activity for you to do." }, { "end_time": "46:52", "start_time": "46:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:59", "start_time": "46:52", "text": "The outcome is definitely better hypertrophy, better strength, all that, but it's very important for a human being's mind." }, { "end_time": "47:07", "start_time": "46:59", "text": "It's kind of like a flush out of everything else other than your body, which is what you're supposed to take care of for longevity, etcetera, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "47:16", "start_time": "47:07", "text": "But it's definitely a form of meditation that keeps your mental health in check as well in the long term because you're switching off from everything else other than the muscles you're targeting." }, { "end_time": "47:16", "start_time": "47:16", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:18", "start_time": "47:16", "text": "I think it's very important." }, { "end_time": "47:19", "start_time": "47:18", "text": "That's why people should meditate." }, { "end_time": "47:21", "start_time": "47:19", "text": "You know, I meditate twice a day." }, { "end_time": "47:22", "start_time": "47:21", "text": "Riddick's meditating twice a day." }, { "end_time": "47:26", "start_time": "47:22", "text": "I've got a meditation instructor while I'm here now in India as well." }, { "end_time": "47:32", "start_time": "47:26", "text": "I've got my apps and everything, but, you know, you can't replace that going down to the beach first thing in the morning because we're so used to distraction." }, { "end_time": "47:32", "start_time": "47:32", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "47:35", "start_time": "47:32", "text": "You can only go out to eat, and you see couples there." }, { "end_time": "47:40", "start_time": "47:35", "text": "As soon as one couple has gone to the toilet, the other one is on the phone straight away because they're used to that distraction." }, { "end_time": "47:42", "start_time": "47:41", "text": "The phone's a drug." }, { "end_time": "47:42", "start_time": "47:42", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "47:46", "start_time": "47:42", "text": "Where if you start to meditate like, I went on a 10 day with Pacino recently." }, { "end_time": "47:50", "start_time": "47:46", "text": "No phone, no computer, can't make eye contact, can't read, can't speak." }, { "end_time": "47:56", "start_time": "47:51", "text": "I was just focused on myself and my own senses instead of the auxiliary senses outside." }, { "end_time": "48:11", "start_time": "47:57", "text": "And I find that a lot of people are just so consumed by distraction that they can't train properly without the distraction of the thoughts in their mind thinking about the breakup or, you know, work or whatever it may be as opposed to on themselves." }, { "end_time": "48:14", "start_time": "48:11", "text": "And that's where the magic happens through that visualization." }, { "end_time": "48:26", "start_time": "48:14", "text": "Like, when I was really serious into training, I would visualize the clothes that I was gonna wear for leg day, how the steel the iron would feel in my hands based on the temperature of that time of the year." }, { "end_time": "48:26", "start_time": "48:26", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "48:27", "start_time": "48:26", "text": "Just picture it." }, { "end_time": "48:32", "start_time": "48:27", "text": "So all I had to do when I got there was go through the motions So I've done the hard work, which is up here." }, { "end_time": "48:33", "start_time": "48:32", "text": "The body follows." }, { "end_time": "48:33", "start_time": "48:33", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "48:36", "start_time": "48:33", "text": "People can talk about genetics and all that sort of stuff." }, { "end_time": "48:36", "start_time": "48:36", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "48:38", "start_time": "48:36", "text": "They talk about steroids." }, { "end_time": "48:41", "start_time": "48:38", "text": "That's your steroid, your head, your brain, the mindset that you put yourself in." }, { "end_time": "48:47", "start_time": "48:41", "text": "That goes for anything, you know, whether you're in the military, whether you're trying to build a career, or whether you're trying to build your physique." }, { "end_time": "48:50", "start_time": "48:49", "text": "No, bro." }, { "end_time": "48:51", "start_time": "48:50", "text": "That's easy." }, { "end_time": "48:53", "start_time": "48:51", "text": "I wanna know about your Vipassana experience." }, { "end_time": "48:56", "start_time": "48:55", "text": "We have international listeners as well." }, { "end_time": "49:05", "start_time": "48:56", "text": "So if you could explain what the basics of Vipassana, I'm sure a lot of Indian listeners know, but, I wasn't expecting you to say that that you've gone for a 10 day course." }, { "end_time": "49:12", "start_time": "49:06", "text": "But, you know, when someone speaks to you in person, they do sense this energy from you, which is not there online." }, { "end_time": "49:14", "start_time": "49:12", "text": "And I've been following you for ages." }, { "end_time": "49:16", "start_time": "49:14", "text": "I also feel you're a very different man now." }, { "end_time": "49:17", "start_time": "49:16", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:17", "start_time": "49:17", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "49:18", "start_time": "49:18", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "49:22", "start_time": "49:19", "text": "I'd love to know about what Vipassana did to your mind, man." }, { "end_time": "49:28", "start_time": "49:22", "text": "Because I know so many of my friends who need it, but are not willing to go because of the silence and more." }, { "end_time": "49:30", "start_time": "49:28", "text": "The whole concept of not speaking." }, { "end_time": "49:35", "start_time": "49:30", "text": "So could you explain the basics and then explain what it did for you as a human being?" }, { "end_time": "49:39", "start_time": "49:35", "text": "And then maybe even, you know, what impact it had on your fitness." }, { "end_time": "49:39", "start_time": "49:39", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "49:52", "start_time": "49:39", "text": "Well, I did this in the US, but, it was it is basically, the, the teacher, is here from Mumbai, and his school is about an hour and a half away from me." }, { "end_time": "49:54", "start_time": "49:52", "text": "I'm I'm dying to visit there Yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:56", "start_time": "49:54", "text": "Because now I'm considered an old student." }, { "end_time": "50:00", "start_time": "49:57", "text": "I can go there for a 3 day, 3 day Vipassana." }, { "end_time": "50:03", "start_time": "50:01", "text": "But you have to start off with a 10 day." }, { "end_time": "50:07", "start_time": "50:03", "text": "So the 10 day is basically you have to you you have to go through an application process." }, { "end_time": "50:08", "start_time": "50:07", "text": "They don't accept anyone." }, { "end_time": "50:13", "start_time": "50:09", "text": "And, and then when accepted, you have to give up your phone." }, { "end_time": "50:17", "start_time": "50:13", "text": "You give up your any writing material, computer, anything like that." }, { "end_time": "50:20", "start_time": "50:17", "text": "You're not allowed to make eye contact during that time." }, { "end_time": "50:24", "start_time": "50:20", "text": "You are only having 2 small vegetarian meals a day." }, { "end_time": "50:28", "start_time": "50:24", "text": "You fast for about 18 and a half hours every day." }, { "end_time": "50:29", "start_time": "50:28", "text": "No eye contact." }, { "end_time": "50:30", "start_time": "50:29", "text": "No speaking." }, { "end_time": "50:32", "start_time": "50:32", "text": "Nothing." }, { "end_time": "50:37", "start_time": "50:32", "text": "You are just meditating from 4:30 in the morning until 9 o'clock in the evening." }, { "end_time": "50:40", "start_time": "50:37", "text": "You have a couple of breaks, which is good." }, { "end_time": "50:45", "start_time": "50:40", "text": "And, I knew going in that, yeah, I'm gonna face a version." }, { "end_time": "50:47", "start_time": "50:45", "text": "The aversion is, I don't wanna be here." }, { "end_time": "50:47", "start_time": "50:47", "text": "This is boring." }, { "end_time": "50:48", "start_time": "50:47", "text": "This is stupid." }, { "end_time": "50:49", "start_time": "50:48", "text": "Why did I do this?" }, { "end_time": "50:50", "start_time": "50:49", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "50:53", "start_time": "50:50", "text": "That's the primitive mind, not wanting to do that." }, { "end_time": "50:55", "start_time": "50:53", "text": "And I knew that there'd be a craving." }, { "end_time": "50:56", "start_time": "50:55", "text": "That craving is, look." }, { "end_time": "50:57", "start_time": "50:56", "text": "Get me out here." }, { "end_time": "50:58", "start_time": "50:57", "text": "I need social interaction." }, { "end_time": "50:59", "start_time": "50:58", "text": "I need to read something." }, { "end_time": "51:01", "start_time": "50:59", "text": "Like, I remember I had my toothpaste." }, { "end_time": "51:05", "start_time": "51:02", "text": "I probably read, like, 18 times, you know, because I needed to read something." }, { "end_time": "51:14", "start_time": "51:06", "text": "And, but after about 4 days of that battle, you kinda get over it, and now you are heightened with your senses." }, { "end_time": "51:20", "start_time": "51:15", "text": "You realize the walk that you've been taking to the meditation school from your sleeping quarters." }, { "end_time": "51:22", "start_time": "51:20", "text": "You realize things that you never realized before." }, { "end_time": "51:26", "start_time": "51:22", "text": "Like, I could hear the grass through the wind." }, { "end_time": "51:28", "start_time": "51:26", "text": "The wind brushing through the grass." }, { "end_time": "51:41", "start_time": "51:28", "text": "There's things that I'd noticed on that walk that I'd never noticed before because we've always got the blinders on, and our senses have become so shut off and dampened from the noise, from the sounds, from the sights, from the smells, everything." }, { "end_time": "51:50", "start_time": "51:41", "text": "And then just being alone so you can actually for once hear your own voice in your head, in your thoughts with clarity is absolutely unbelievable." }, { "end_time": "51:51", "start_time": "51:50", "text": "It's really, really good." }, { "end_time": "51:54", "start_time": "51:51", "text": "But coming back into society was very difficult." }, { "end_time": "51:55", "start_time": "51:55", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "52:01", "start_time": "51:55", "text": "Because, you know, like, I remember going into a gas station on the way back and the lights, and there's music playing." }, { "end_time": "52:04", "start_time": "52:01", "text": "And there's kids in there, and I was like, I cannot handle this." }, { "end_time": "52:06", "start_time": "52:05", "text": "It's too much too soon." }, { "end_time": "52:14", "start_time": "52:06", "text": "And I remember going to the Vipassana, which is about a 4 hour drive for me, had the music play and all that sort of stuff." }, { "end_time": "52:16", "start_time": "52:14", "text": "I just wanted silence on the way back." }, { "end_time": "52:18", "start_time": "52:16", "text": "On the way there, I didn't notice the mountains." }, { "end_time": "52:30", "start_time": "52:18", "text": "On the way back, I'm noticing the beauty in the mountains and noticing the beauty in the small things and appreciating so many of the small things that we usually take for granted and appreciating life." }, { "end_time": "52:30", "start_time": "52:30", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "52:42", "start_time": "52:30", "text": "The lifeline that we've been given are not taking that for, granted, and that's why one of the reasons why I'm working so much on increasing my health span and my longevity and my health." }, { "end_time": "52:48", "start_time": "52:42", "text": "Because, of course, I'm gonna get old, but I don't wanna be elderly in the process where someone has to take care of me." }, { "end_time": "52:51", "start_time": "52:48", "text": "You know, I've got some sort of disability." }, { "end_time": "53:04", "start_time": "52:51", "text": "Because our lives are very, very valuable, And, I think it's very important to do something like Vipassana for those that are just focusing on work, focusing on the next year, focusing on the career, the woman, whatever." }, { "end_time": "53:07", "start_time": "53:04", "text": "You need to focus on yourself a little bit more to ground yourself." }, { "end_time": "53:08", "start_time": "53:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "53:16", "start_time": "53:09", "text": "You know, speaking about grounding yourself, when you actually get into what Vipassana entails, it's extremely mathematical." }, { "end_time": "53:21", "start_time": "53:17", "text": "I don't know the exact technique because I've not really done a course the way you have." }, { "end_time": "53:28", "start_time": "53:21", "text": "But it's something like for these for this much time, you have to focus on your breath, and for this much time, you have to focus on something else." }, { "end_time": "53:29", "start_time": "53:28", "text": "I mean Yeah." }, { "end_time": "53:36", "start_time": "53:29", "text": "So you start off with a larger sort of triangle around the bottom of your lips, over your nose, like the mask." }, { "end_time": "53:37", "start_time": "53:36", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "53:41", "start_time": "53:37", "text": "You focus on your breath around this area and the senses around this area." }, { "end_time": "53:48", "start_time": "53:42", "text": "And as you get a little bit better, you focus on closing that gap until you're just focusing on the inside of your nostril." }, { "end_time": "53:53", "start_time": "53:48", "text": "And then you go through a scanning process starting with the top of the head, going down." }, { "end_time": "53:57", "start_time": "53:53", "text": "If you get distracted by any thought whatsoever, you start again." }, { "end_time": "54:01", "start_time": "53:57", "text": "And if you get down to, say, your eyes, you go back and start again at the top." }, { "end_time": "54:05", "start_time": "54:02", "text": "And, you know, you train yourself not to get distracted." }, { "end_time": "54:06", "start_time": "54:06", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "54:09", "start_time": "54:06", "text": "And that's the hardest part because we're so used to it." }, { "end_time": "54:11", "start_time": "54:09", "text": "You know, if you ask you know what?" }, { "end_time": "54:14", "start_time": "54:11", "text": "When I do my seminars, I always ask people, has anybody meditated?" }, { "end_time": "54:16", "start_time": "54:14", "text": "Everyone puts out their hand." }, { "end_time": "54:18", "start_time": "54:16", "text": "And then I ask them, do you meditate?" }, { "end_time": "54:20", "start_time": "54:18", "text": "Hardly anyone puts up their hands because it's difficult." }, { "end_time": "54:21", "start_time": "54:21", "text": "It's hard." }, { "end_time": "54:28", "start_time": "54:21", "text": "But it's just like, you know, for your training, maybe it's gonna take several months for you to see any results, and it's the same with learning a language or meditating." }, { "end_time": "54:32", "start_time": "54:29", "text": "You know, you just gotta be consistent with it to actually get anything from it." }, { "end_time": "54:42", "start_time": "54:32", "text": "But, mister Esenguenka is just a phenomenal teacher, and he's there through the TV and through the audio at some occasion teaching." }, { "end_time": "54:44", "start_time": "54:42", "text": "And I it really, really did help." }, { "end_time": "54:48", "start_time": "54:45", "text": "But then the rest of the time that you're you're just in silence." }, { "end_time": "54:48", "start_time": "54:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "54:59", "start_time": "54:48", "text": "I think that's the big joy and benefit of meditation that young people, especially college students, teenagers, fail to understand that, you know, when you see a really, really sharp knife where someone's handing you a sharp knife and they say, okay." }, { "end_time": "55:02", "start_time": "54:59", "text": "Don't touch that side because you'll cut yourself very easily." }, { "end_time": "55:08", "start_time": "55:02", "text": "Your mind is capable of becoming that knife if you're able to engage yourself in the grind, which is meditation." }, { "end_time": "55:16", "start_time": "55:08", "text": "People think that when you meditate, it's boring and I you'll you'll get negative thoughts and your mind will run places and all that's okay." }, { "end_time": "55:18", "start_time": "55:16", "text": "It's it's supposed to happen." }, { "end_time": "55:19", "start_time": "55:18", "text": "It's like your mind flushing out the thoughts." }, { "end_time": "55:20", "start_time": "55:19", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "55:20", "start_time": "55:20", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "55:28", "start_time": "55:21", "text": "And your job is to just pull it back to the point of focus, which could be how in Vipassana they focus on the breath and the movement of, consciousness." }, { "end_time": "55:29", "start_time": "55:28", "text": "It could be a mantra." }, { "end_time": "55:31", "start_time": "55:29", "text": "It could be something else." }, { "end_time": "55:32", "start_time": "55:31", "text": "It could be a chant you're doing." }, { "end_time": "55:37", "start_time": "55:32", "text": "But bringing it back to that single point of focus sharpens that knife, which is your mind." }, { "end_time": "55:45", "start_time": "55:37", "text": "And once your mind is, like, that much sharper, you're able to apply it in the gym, in your career, in your relationship." }, { "end_time": "55:49", "start_time": "55:45", "text": "And we had a we had a Sri Lankan monk." }, { "end_time": "55:50", "start_time": "55:49", "text": "His name was Dandapani." }, { "end_time": "55:57", "start_time": "55:50", "text": "And I've spoken about this concept exactly that this is what mindfulness and meditation brings to your life, that your knife for life becomes sharp." }, { "end_time": "55:58", "start_time": "55:58", "text": "And he's like, yeah." }, { "end_time": "55:59", "start_time": "55:58", "text": "That's true." }, { "end_time": "56:05", "start_time": "55:59", "text": "But, also, when you're in moments of happiness, you're able to focus on the happiness much more and extract the happiness." }, { "end_time": "56:05", "start_time": "56:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "56:06", "start_time": "56:05", "text": "That's true." }, { "end_time": "56:07", "start_time": "56:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "56:10", "start_time": "56:07", "text": "Because you're that much more in any particular moment in your present." }, { "end_time": "56:12", "start_time": "56:11", "text": "And very few of us are present." }, { "end_time": "56:13", "start_time": "56:12", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "56:23", "start_time": "56:13", "text": "If we're having a conversation with someone, we're usually waiting for them to finish so we can talk as opposed to really listening, shutting out all the distraction, making the eye contact, and being present Yeah." }, { "end_time": "56:24", "start_time": "56:23", "text": "In that particular moment." }, { "end_time": "56:26", "start_time": "56:24", "text": "And that's why I think a lot of people go, wow." }, { "end_time": "56:28", "start_time": "56:26", "text": "That year went so quick." }, { "end_time": "56:32", "start_time": "56:28", "text": "Last 5 years, I remember when the album came out because no one's present." }, { "end_time": "56:32", "start_time": "56:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "56:34", "start_time": "56:32", "text": "And it's the same when we're eating our meals." }, { "end_time": "56:34", "start_time": "56:34", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "56:35", "start_time": "56:34", "text": "We're talking about the mind muscle connection." }, { "end_time": "56:41", "start_time": "56:36", "text": "I get my clients to really focus on slowing down when they're eating their meals." }, { "end_time": "56:58", "start_time": "56:41", "text": "There's a great book out there called, the Slow Down Diet, where we are appreciated we appreciate the color of the food, the texture of the food when it's in our mouth, how many hands it went through to get onto our plates, and what it's going to do for us, provide us energy, antioxidants, polyphenols for our skin here, whatever." }, { "end_time": "56:59", "start_time": "56:58", "text": "It's our lifeline." }, { "end_time": "57:00", "start_time": "56:59", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "57:00", "start_time": "57:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "57:02", "start_time": "57:00", "text": "And then you appreciate, and you feel more fulfilled." }, { "end_time": "57:05", "start_time": "57:02", "text": "Because a lot of people are eating distracted." }, { "end_time": "57:08", "start_time": "57:05", "text": "Once they finished eating that meal, they're like, what else can I eat?" }, { "end_time": "57:08", "start_time": "57:08", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "57:11", "start_time": "57:08", "text": "And people are overeating because they haven't acknowledged what they've eaten." }, { "end_time": "57:12", "start_time": "57:11", "text": "100%, man." }, { "end_time": "57:14", "start_time": "57:14", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "57:16", "start_time": "57:14", "text": "I'm gonna tell you something." }, { "end_time": "57:17", "start_time": "57:16", "text": "I've spoken more on the show a lot." }, { "end_time": "57:21", "start_time": "57:18", "text": "I was one of those people who really looked down upon meditation and yoga." }, { "end_time": "57:33", "start_time": "57:21", "text": "You know, I thought because, again, I was I was very much into my weight training, my power lifting, and I was single, I mean, there there was a single pointed focus I had towards, like, power lifting and getting my numbers up." }, { "end_time": "57:36", "start_time": "57:33", "text": "And then at age 22, Ayahuasca happened to me." }, { "end_time": "57:38", "start_time": "57:37", "text": "Was that in India?" }, { "end_time": "57:38", "start_time": "57:38", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "57:38", "start_time": "57:38", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "57:39", "start_time": "57:38", "text": "It was it just came to me, man." }, { "end_time": "57:41", "start_time": "57:39", "text": "I didn't go out looking for it." }, { "end_time": "57:44", "start_time": "57:41", "text": "Like, I was in Seychelles, and I met a shaman on the beach." }, { "end_time": "57:44", "start_time": "57:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "57:48", "start_time": "57:44", "text": "And he tried convincing me to do it, and I was fighting the thought." }, { "end_time": "57:48", "start_time": "57:48", "text": "I was like, no." }, { "end_time": "57:50", "start_time": "57:48", "text": "I'm not gonna do this shit." }, { "end_time": "57:56", "start_time": "57:50", "text": "And, that night when I was sleeping, I had a dream where I just felt like some higher power told me do it." }, { "end_time": "58:01", "start_time": "57:56", "text": "I did it the next day, and it was the single most important life experience I've had." }, { "end_time": "58:02", "start_time": "58:01", "text": "Like, everything switched up." }, { "end_time": "58:04", "start_time": "58:02", "text": "Like, I came out a new person." }, { "end_time": "58:06", "start_time": "58:04", "text": "And recently, I've had another kind of shamanic experience." }, { "end_time": "58:07", "start_time": "58:06", "text": "It wasn't Ayahuasca." }, { "end_time": "58:09", "start_time": "58:07", "text": "It was psilocybin Oh, yeah." }, { "end_time": "58:09", "start_time": "58:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "58:10", "start_time": "58:09", "text": "But with a shaman." }, { "end_time": "58:12", "start_time": "58:10", "text": "And that changed me as well." }, { "end_time": "58:16", "start_time": "58:12", "text": "That gave me the empathy that I was missing, especially towards my family." }, { "end_time": "58:20", "start_time": "58:16", "text": "Because with content, you have empathy, you know, towards your audience." }, { "end_time": "58:23", "start_time": "58:20", "text": "You have empathy towards your team because they're building it with you." }, { "end_time": "58:25", "start_time": "58:23", "text": "But that empathy is kind of coming from someone." }, { "end_time": "58:27", "start_time": "58:25", "text": "I was withdrawing it for my family." }, { "end_time": "58:33", "start_time": "58:28", "text": "So I feel like it didn't just, turn back this empathy I'm giving in the forward direction." }, { "end_time": "58:38", "start_time": "58:33", "text": "It added more empathy to my heart so that I can give it in the forward and the backward direction to my family." }, { "end_time": "58:41", "start_time": "58:38", "text": "So both these experiences have been very life changing." }, { "end_time": "58:54", "start_time": "58:42", "text": "Now, parallelly, I've been questioning the meaning of this kind of grind a lot in terms of this is a lot of work to be generating so many podcasts, to be doing social media, to be doing businesses." }, { "end_time": "58:59", "start_time": "58:56", "text": "A couple of years back, I began working on a meditation app." }, { "end_time": "59:03", "start_time": "59:00", "text": "For the last year, we've really been working on it." }, { "end_time": "59:06", "start_time": "59:03", "text": "And I've still been questioning things because it's a lot of work there as well." }, { "end_time": "59:15", "start_time": "59:07", "text": "But I just figured that when I was training people, there was a lot I was doing for people in that 1 hour session." }, { "end_time": "59:20", "start_time": "59:15", "text": "You know, in terms of I wasn't only, like, training their bodies, but I was adding something to their mind as well." }, { "end_time": "59:21", "start_time": "59:20", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "59:22", "start_time": "59:21", "text": "Now imagine that at scale." }, { "end_time": "59:38", "start_time": "59:23", "text": "So the psilocybin actually showed me that the the meditation you're putting out there, it's to convince versions of you who are younger than you in this world that things like meditation, things like mindfulness add a lot to your existence." }, { "end_time": "59:39", "start_time": "59:38", "text": "Interesting." }, { "end_time": "59:42", "start_time": "59:39", "text": "Not everyone's gonna get access to Ioscan, psilocybin to understand that." }, { "end_time": "59:48", "start_time": "59:43", "text": "Everyone has access to technology and apps, and you can do so much more when you do it at scale." }, { "end_time": "59:52", "start_time": "59:49", "text": "Have you ever had any experience like that?" }, { "end_time": "59:54", "start_time": "59:52", "text": "With with plant medicine and stuff?" }, { "end_time": "59:54", "start_time": "59:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "59:54", "start_time": "59:54", "text": "Plant medicine." }, { "end_time": "59:55", "start_time": "59:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "59:58", "start_time": "59:55", "text": "I actually went to Colombia and did Ayahuasca some years ago." }, { "end_time": "1:00:01", "start_time": "59:58", "text": "I didn't have the effect that a lot of people did there." }, { "end_time": "1:00:09", "start_time": "1:00:01", "text": "You know, people you know, I was there for 5 7 days, but we did the Ayahuasca over 5 days, and some people had life changing or 4 days." }, { "end_time": "1:00:12", "start_time": "1:00:09", "text": "Some people had life changing experiences after the 1st day." }, { "end_time": "1:00:15", "start_time": "1:00:12", "text": "You know, I saw a lot of people there, people from around the world." }, { "end_time": "1:00:21", "start_time": "1:00:15", "text": "Didn't have that effect on me, and I kept getting more cups as the days progressed." }, { "end_time": "1:00:34", "start_time": "1:00:22", "text": "And it just wasn't getting the effect as a lot of people were, and they said that because I've grown up with so much control, wanting control, that I wasn't able to let myself go in that scenario." }, { "end_time": "1:00:47", "start_time": "1:00:34", "text": "I've done psilocybin as well, but I found out that I think there's a compound within me that doesn't allow the the psilocybin to have a positive effect because it releases too much dopamine in my brain." }, { "end_time": "1:00:49", "start_time": "1:00:47", "text": "However, I can do LSD." }, { "end_time": "1:00:58", "start_time": "1:00:49", "text": "So I've done I do a lot of LSD on microdosing scale because that helps with, preventing so much dopamine being released." }, { "end_time": "1:00:59", "start_time": "1:00:58", "text": "I I just wanna put a disclaimer." }, { "end_time": "1:01:04", "start_time": "1:00:59", "text": "This is not recreational at all, and we're not, like, talking about drug sale." }, { "end_time": "1:01:06", "start_time": "1:01:04", "text": "This is from a neuro neurology perspective." }, { "end_time": "1:01:06", "start_time": "1:01:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:01:06", "start_time": "1:01:06", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "1:01:09", "start_time": "1:01:06", "text": "And it it can help a lot, you know, with PTSD." }, { "end_time": "1:01:10", "start_time": "1:01:09", "text": "It can help with depression." }, { "end_time": "1:01:16", "start_time": "1:01:11", "text": "And if you have some sort of, hormonal imbalances, everybody's different." }, { "end_time": "1:01:23", "start_time": "1:01:16", "text": "That's why you gotta have your blood work done before you look into anything like this because it could have a negative effect on some people." }, { "end_time": "1:01:26", "start_time": "1:01:23", "text": "Then, you know, the then that's why I do it." }, { "end_time": "1:01:36", "start_time": "1:01:26", "text": "And, the most profound effect that I had, was ketamine therapy, and I did this in a, clinical setting." }, { "end_time": "1:01:36", "start_time": "1:01:36", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:48", "start_time": "1:01:36", "text": "I had the had, you wouldn't call it a shaman that was there, but I had an instructor that was there who's also my meditation instructor and yoga instructor back in Boise." }, { "end_time": "1:01:51", "start_time": "1:01:48", "text": "And that had a very, very positive effect on me." }, { "end_time": "1:01:51", "start_time": "1:01:51", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:01:59", "start_time": "1:01:51", "text": "And that was just, you know, in a basement near a busy street as opposed to going to a luxury place in Colombia where I did, the Ayahuasca." }, { "end_time": "1:02:01", "start_time": "1:01:59", "text": "You know, I was able to get a better effect." }, { "end_time": "1:02:09", "start_time": "1:02:02", "text": "But that goes to show that someone like you can do psilocybin and Ayahuasca, but that's not gonna have a positive effect for someone else." }, { "end_time": "1:02:10", "start_time": "1:02:09", "text": "You have to find what your groove is." }, { "end_time": "1:02:13", "start_time": "1:02:10", "text": "Are you comfortable talking about the ketamine ketamine therapy?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:14", "start_time": "1:02:13", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "1:02:20", "start_time": "1:02:15", "text": "Because I think ketamine has a very negative connotation for a lot of people." }, { "end_time": "1:02:20", "start_time": "1:02:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:02:22", "start_time": "1:02:20", "text": "They'll categorize it with cocaine and heroin." }, { "end_time": "1:02:22", "start_time": "1:02:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:02:27", "start_time": "1:02:23", "text": "And anything including Ayahuasca and psilocybin can be harmful to you if you do it in excess." }, { "end_time": "1:02:28", "start_time": "1:02:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:02:35", "start_time": "1:02:28", "text": "So, any substance, I mean, even even like brown rice and, chicken breast and broccoli can be harmful if you do it in excess." }, { "end_time": "1:02:37", "start_time": "1:02:35", "text": "So, of course, these things can be harmful." }, { "end_time": "1:02:39", "start_time": "1:02:37", "text": "Of course, they can be addictive." }, { "end_time": "1:02:49", "start_time": "1:02:39", "text": "But when you do it with a science backed approach with neurologists around, with people to guide you, things can change radically in your brain." }, { "end_time": "1:02:49", "start_time": "1:02:49", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:02:53", "start_time": "1:02:49", "text": "I would love to know what that was like for you, my man." }, { "end_time": "1:02:53", "start_time": "1:02:53", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:02:55", "start_time": "1:02:53", "text": "So picture this." }, { "end_time": "1:02:57", "start_time": "1:02:55", "text": "So I'm in a room." }, { "end_time": "1:03:08", "start_time": "1:02:57", "text": "I'm lying on, as it's called a pod, which is like a large bin beanbag, and I've got, like, a weighted blanket on me with, a face mask." }, { "end_time": "1:03:14", "start_time": "1:03:08", "text": "But beforehand, for about an hour with the instructor, we're discussing the intention." }, { "end_time": "1:03:16", "start_time": "1:03:14", "text": "What is the attention that I wanna get from this?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:17", "start_time": "1:03:16", "text": "Why am I I'm there?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:20", "start_time": "1:03:17", "text": "Because you're not doing this for a recreational purpose." }, { "end_time": "1:03:25", "start_time": "1:03:20", "text": "You're actually doing this to clear something from your past, from your present, whatever it may be." }, { "end_time": "1:03:33", "start_time": "1:03:26", "text": "And then you take you know, it's then they would actually tell you the amount that you should take of the ketamine." }, { "end_time": "1:03:38", "start_time": "1:03:33", "text": "So then you get, given the ketamine, which is basically like a lodge lozenge." }, { "end_time": "1:03:41", "start_time": "1:03:38", "text": "You can actually have it injected as well through IV." }, { "end_time": "1:03:41", "start_time": "1:03:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:03:51", "start_time": "1:03:41", "text": "But I took the lozenge where you let that melt underneath your tongue, and then they'd start, like, the music and start talking through the process of what you're about to experience." }, { "end_time": "1:03:55", "start_time": "1:03:52", "text": "And then you experience, and you kind of lose track of time." }, { "end_time": "1:03:59", "start_time": "1:03:56", "text": "You're probably under for about 2 hours." }, { "end_time": "1:04:05", "start_time": "1:03:59", "text": "But if you came out and I said it was 20 minutes or 8 hours, you probably wouldn't know the difference." }, { "end_time": "1:04:05", "start_time": "1:04:05", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:08", "start_time": "1:04:05", "text": "You lose you definitely lose track of time." }, { "end_time": "1:04:16", "start_time": "1:04:08", "text": "And the only way that I could properly describe it, it wasn't as if that you're seeing, like, bright colors or you're, like, you're tripping by any sense." }, { "end_time": "1:04:22", "start_time": "1:04:16", "text": "It honestly feels like and this is the only way that I can describe it because there's a lot of darkness there." }, { "end_time": "1:04:32", "start_time": "1:04:22", "text": "It's that it feels like someone is just cleaning out all the rubbish in your brain, and that's what all the darkness is, all the toxic buildup that, you know, you build up in your body." }, { "end_time": "1:04:36", "start_time": "1:04:32", "text": "Let's say if you're drinking alcohol or having bad polluted, air." }, { "end_time": "1:04:37", "start_time": "1:04:37", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:43", "start_time": "1:04:37", "text": "You're getting rid of all the the bad thoughts and a toxic buildup in your brain, and that's what all the dark matter is." }, { "end_time": "1:04:50", "start_time": "1:04:43", "text": "And then when you come out and there's a clearing, it feels like you can fill your brain now with the thoughts that you want to think." }, { "end_time": "1:04:52", "start_time": "1:04:50", "text": "Because a lot of the time, we're like, god." }, { "end_time": "1:04:53", "start_time": "1:04:52", "text": "Why am I thinking this way?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:58", "start_time": "1:04:53", "text": "I've got a great life, and I got a, you know, great wife, got good house, got a dog, or whatever." }, { "end_time": "1:05:00", "start_time": "1:04:58", "text": "But why am I having these thoughts?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:05", "start_time": "1:05:00", "text": "And it it allowed me to clear out a lot of those thoughts so I could fill it with the thoughts that I wanted to think." }, { "end_time": "1:05:05", "start_time": "1:05:05", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:05:07", "start_time": "1:05:05", "text": "Created space in your mind." }, { "end_time": "1:05:07", "start_time": "1:05:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:05:08", "start_time": "1:05:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:05:10", "start_time": "1:05:08", "text": "What did you visualize when this was happening?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:12", "start_time": "1:05:10", "text": "I didn't really visualize anything." }, { "end_time": "1:05:22", "start_time": "1:05:12", "text": "It was so much it was the only way I could describe it is that I saw, like, a lot of waterfalls, but they were made out of, like, leaves." }, { "end_time": "1:05:23", "start_time": "1:05:22", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:24", "start_time": "1:05:23", "text": "That was it." }, { "end_time": "1:05:29", "start_time": "1:05:24", "text": "There was, an occasion where it it felt like the ocean, but the ocean was all black." }, { "end_time": "1:05:33", "start_time": "1:05:29", "text": "But, like, you know, where you see the water break and it's all white?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:35", "start_time": "1:05:33", "text": "Like, that was, like, soft like clouds." }, { "end_time": "1:05:37", "start_time": "1:05:36", "text": "That's kinda what I was seeing." }, { "end_time": "1:05:37", "start_time": "1:05:37", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:43", "start_time": "1:05:37", "text": "It's very difficult where if you were on something like LSD, you're probably gonna see a lot of bright colors." }, { "end_time": "1:05:45", "start_time": "1:05:43", "text": "You're gonna probably see faces in the trees." }, { "end_time": "1:05:47", "start_time": "1:05:45", "text": "It was nothing like that." }, { "end_time": "1:05:48", "start_time": "1:05:47", "text": "It was very soft." }, { "end_time": "1:05:53", "start_time": "1:05:49", "text": "It was very relaxing, but it was very dark as well at the same time." }, { "end_time": "1:05:55", "start_time": "1:05:53", "text": "When I say dark, I just mean the tone, not the thoughts." }, { "end_time": "1:06:06", "start_time": "1:05:57", "text": "When I was on my Ayahuasca and psilocybin experiences, at the peaks of both, I felt the presence of the entities associated with the 2." }, { "end_time": "1:06:11", "start_time": "1:06:06", "text": "For example, when you're gonna do Ayahuasca, they say you always feel a feminine entity with Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:06:11", "start_time": "1:06:11", "text": "That's right." }, { "end_time": "1:06:12", "start_time": "1:06:11", "text": "Mother Ayahuasca." }, { "end_time": "1:06:12", "start_time": "1:06:12", "text": "And Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:06:13", "start_time": "1:06:12", "text": "Same with psilocybin." }, { "end_time": "1:06:16", "start_time": "1:06:13", "text": "You feel, they call it the mushroom." }, { "end_time": "1:06:18", "start_time": "1:06:16", "text": "I think for me, it was like a transgender entity." }, { "end_time": "1:06:19", "start_time": "1:06:18", "text": "You didn't have a gender." }, { "end_time": "1:06:21", "start_time": "1:06:19", "text": "It was just like an entity with me, which is healing." }, { "end_time": "1:06:23", "start_time": "1:06:21", "text": "Did you feel that with No." }, { "end_time": "1:06:23", "start_time": "1:06:23", "text": "I didn't feel that." }, { "end_time": "1:06:24", "start_time": "1:06:23", "text": "I didn't feel that." }, { "end_time": "1:06:24", "start_time": "1:06:24", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:06:25", "start_time": "1:06:24", "text": "I didn't feel that." }, { "end_time": "1:06:29", "start_time": "1:06:25", "text": "What I did feel is that I felt a connection, especially with the Ayahuasca." }, { "end_time": "1:06:31", "start_time": "1:06:29", "text": "I felt a connection with the earth." }, { "end_time": "1:06:32", "start_time": "1:06:31", "text": "Felt the connection." }, { "end_time": "1:06:37", "start_time": "1:06:32", "text": "Like, I remember looking up at the stars and feeling a connection with the stars because it was outside in a hammock." }, { "end_time": "1:06:40", "start_time": "1:06:37", "text": "Feeling a connection with, like, the trees." }, { "end_time": "1:06:47", "start_time": "1:06:41", "text": "I could almost see the the bloodline within the earth, within the walls." }, { "end_time": "1:06:47", "start_time": "1:06:47", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:06:52", "start_time": "1:06:47", "text": "Everything was alive, and that's when I felt more of a connection with the universe." }, { "end_time": "1:06:56", "start_time": "1:06:52", "text": "Maybe for you, the mother Ayahuasca showed up as mother nature." }, { "end_time": "1:06:57", "start_time": "1:06:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:06:58", "start_time": "1:06:57", "text": "Maybe." }, { "end_time": "1:06:58", "start_time": "1:06:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:07:01", "start_time": "1:06:58", "text": "You maybe you've brought something to light that I had no idea." }, { "end_time": "1:07:02", "start_time": "1:07:01", "text": "I didn't think about that." }, { "end_time": "1:07:08", "start_time": "1:07:04", "text": "Did you have, like, a vivid experience in your Ayahuasca session as well?" }, { "end_time": "1:07:10", "start_time": "1:07:08", "text": "Because I'll I'll tell you why I asked you this." }, { "end_time": "1:07:12", "start_time": "1:07:10", "text": "You actually went to the Amazon and did it." }, { "end_time": "1:07:13", "start_time": "1:07:12", "text": "Went to Colombia." }, { "end_time": "1:07:13", "start_time": "1:07:13", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:07:15", "start_time": "1:07:14", "text": "Or Costa Rica." }, { "end_time": "1:07:15", "start_time": "1:07:15", "text": "Sorry." }, { "end_time": "1:07:16", "start_time": "1:07:15", "text": "Costa Rica." }, { "end_time": "1:07:18", "start_time": "1:07:16", "text": "Colombia was, another stem cell experience." }, { "end_time": "1:07:23", "start_time": "1:07:20", "text": "How expensive was it in Costa Rica?" }, { "end_time": "1:07:24", "start_time": "1:07:23", "text": "I actually got that for free." }, { "end_time": "1:07:24", "start_time": "1:07:24", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:07:27", "start_time": "1:07:24", "text": "Because they just wanted me to give them an honest review after." }, { "end_time": "1:07:28", "start_time": "1:07:27", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "1:07:33", "start_time": "1:07:28", "text": "And, I had Jerry who's in charge of the facility." }, { "end_time": "1:07:35", "start_time": "1:07:33", "text": "Fascinating character." }, { "end_time": "1:07:36", "start_time": "1:07:35", "text": "I had him on my podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:07:37", "start_time": "1:07:36", "text": "So I said, yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:07:37", "start_time": "1:07:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:07:41", "start_time": "1:07:37", "text": "I'll give it a shot because that was something that I was interested in." }, { "end_time": "1:07:46", "start_time": "1:07:41", "text": "And a couple of my friends from the biohacking space had already been down there, and they just connected us." }, { "end_time": "1:07:52", "start_time": "1:07:47", "text": "So, myself and my partner, we went down there, and we did it for the week." }, { "end_time": "1:08:06", "start_time": "1:07:52", "text": "And it was only on that last day that I felt an experience, really, but it wasn't as life changing as an other people there where I felt maybe with what you said is that connection with mother Ayahuasca, which was nature, mother nature." }, { "end_time": "1:08:12", "start_time": "1:08:07", "text": "And, you know, just feeling that connection was really, really amazing." }, { "end_time": "1:08:18", "start_time": "1:08:13", "text": "But just see seeing the connection with other people during that time." }, { "end_time": "1:08:21", "start_time": "1:08:18", "text": "I don't know if you purged or you were throwing up." }, { "end_time": "1:08:22", "start_time": "1:08:21", "text": "I didn't have any of that." }, { "end_time": "1:08:24", "start_time": "1:08:22", "text": "I didn't have any of those experiences." }, { "end_time": "1:08:25", "start_time": "1:08:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:08:29", "start_time": "1:08:25", "text": "It it didn't happen to me either, but I cried a lot, and I wasn't sad when I was crying." }, { "end_time": "1:08:31", "start_time": "1:08:29", "text": "It I knew I was just releasing things." }, { "end_time": "1:08:34", "start_time": "1:08:31", "text": "I actually looked at my shaman and asked him why am I crying because I'm not feeling sad." }, { "end_time": "1:08:35", "start_time": "1:08:34", "text": "I'm actually feeling happy." }, { "end_time": "1:08:37", "start_time": "1:08:35", "text": "Wasn't there a lot of people there when you were doing it?" }, { "end_time": "1:08:37", "start_time": "1:08:37", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:08:37", "start_time": "1:08:37", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:08:38", "start_time": "1:08:37", "text": "It was just me." }, { "end_time": "1:08:45", "start_time": "1:08:38", "text": "See, I think that probably would have been better for me because I'm a little bit more of an introvert, and I do better around myself as opposed to a lot of people." }, { "end_time": "1:08:47", "start_time": "1:08:45", "text": "I feel a little bit vulnerable like that." }, { "end_time": "1:08:48", "start_time": "1:08:47", "text": "There's a lot of people there." }, { "end_time": "1:08:52", "start_time": "1:08:48", "text": "You know, you could hear people over here screaming, people over here throwing up." }, { "end_time": "1:08:56", "start_time": "1:08:52", "text": "I don't have one person crying here, and I think that probably kept me straight." }, { "end_time": "1:08:58", "start_time": "1:08:57", "text": "Can I tell you something straight up?" }, { "end_time": "1:08:59", "start_time": "1:08:58", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "1:09:00", "start_time": "1:08:59", "text": "And this is not as a professional." }, { "end_time": "1:09:04", "start_time": "1:09:01", "text": "Brother, so many people in Bollywood need these things, and they don't know it." }, { "end_time": "1:09:09", "start_time": "1:09:04", "text": "And I don't think they have access to it because their world is so glamorous and so so many things to do." }, { "end_time": "1:09:14", "start_time": "1:09:10", "text": "I feel so many of them are in pain, and I say this to you because you've worked with some of them." }, { "end_time": "1:09:16", "start_time": "1:09:15", "text": "And I don't blame them for being in pain, man." }, { "end_time": "1:09:17", "start_time": "1:09:16", "text": "That's their reality." }, { "end_time": "1:09:19", "start_time": "1:09:17", "text": "That's what reality has done to them." }, { "end_time": "1:09:21", "start_time": "1:09:19", "text": "So many of them need it." }, { "end_time": "1:09:27", "start_time": "1:09:21", "text": "In fact, I feel they'll become even better artists if they, go through an experience like this." }, { "end_time": "1:09:27", "start_time": "1:09:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:09:27", "start_time": "1:09:27", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "1:09:33", "start_time": "1:09:27", "text": "Well, I think a lot of them live in bubbles, and they just don't know that these opportunities are out there." }, { "end_time": "1:09:33", "start_time": "1:09:33", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:09:37", "start_time": "1:09:33", "text": "Whether they'll take those opportunities is another thing, but I don't think they're exposed to a lot of them." }, { "end_time": "1:09:37", "start_time": "1:09:37", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:45", "start_time": "1:09:37", "text": "Because the conversations that I've had about various things that happen around here, you know, they they often say, how do you how do you know about that?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:46", "start_time": "1:09:45", "text": "How do you learn about this?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:48", "start_time": "1:09:47", "text": "Well, I've only been here a few weeks." }, { "end_time": "1:09:52", "start_time": "1:09:49", "text": "Dude, it's why podcasts are important culturally." }, { "end_time": "1:09:59", "start_time": "1:09:52", "text": "I mean, I don't see people gaining these things really through Netflix documentaries, but they just put on a podcast, you know, while I don't know." }, { "end_time": "1:10:03", "start_time": "1:09:59", "text": "While just while doing house chores, these are the nuggets you can pick up." }, { "end_time": "1:10:04", "start_time": "1:10:03", "text": "And I'm not trying to sell podcast to people." }, { "end_time": "1:10:07", "start_time": "1:10:04", "text": "I'm saying this because I learned about Ayahuasca through Joe Rogan's podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:10:08", "start_time": "1:10:08", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:10:16", "start_time": "1:10:08", "text": "And, I I listened to a lot of episodes, and a year after the first time I heard about Ayahuasca, It came into my life, and I knew what it was, and I knew what it was capable of." }, { "end_time": "1:10:20", "start_time": "1:10:16", "text": "And I took that leap, and it was the best decision I've ever made for myself back then." }, { "end_time": "1:10:22", "start_time": "1:10:20", "text": "But, again, this is not me promoting it." }, { "end_time": "1:10:23", "start_time": "1:10:22", "text": "It's just me sharing my experience." }, { "end_time": "1:10:24", "start_time": "1:10:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:10:28", "start_time": "1:10:25", "text": "In saying that, did your partner have, like, an intense experience?" }, { "end_time": "1:10:29", "start_time": "1:10:28", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:10:29", "start_time": "1:10:29", "text": "She didn't." }, { "end_time": "1:10:31", "start_time": "1:10:29", "text": "She had more of an intense experience than me." }, { "end_time": "1:10:41", "start_time": "1:10:31", "text": "There's no doubt about it, but not like I said, I maybe we shouldn't be comparing, but comparing to the majority of the people there, not an intense experience is weird." }, { "end_time": "1:10:43", "start_time": "1:10:41", "text": "Maybe it's because we were both there at the same time." }, { "end_time": "1:10:46", "start_time": "1:10:43", "text": "We weren't allowed to be together during the experience." }, { "end_time": "1:10:49", "start_time": "1:10:46", "text": "Like, she's at in one end of the hall." }, { "end_time": "1:10:50", "start_time": "1:10:49", "text": "I'm at the other end." }, { "end_time": "1:10:51", "start_time": "1:10:50", "text": "But I don't know." }, { "end_time": "1:10:52", "start_time": "1:10:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:10:57", "start_time": "1:10:54", "text": "I'll tell you why I'm asking you so many questions about this." }, { "end_time": "1:11:04", "start_time": "1:10:58", "text": "When you take Ayahuasca or shrooms, if you keep your eyes open, it's like being really stoned." }, { "end_time": "1:11:05", "start_time": "1:11:04", "text": "Like, it's kind of like that." }, { "end_time": "1:11:08", "start_time": "1:11:05", "text": "That's the closest thing to it or being really drunk or something." }, { "end_time": "1:11:09", "start_time": "1:11:08", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "1:11:12", "start_time": "1:11:09", "text": "But it's it's definitely like your reality becomes a little hazy." }, { "end_time": "1:11:24", "start_time": "1:11:12", "text": "The moment you close your eyes, at least for me, along with the shaman, along with appropriate music, ideally, meditation should precede this process or some sort of prayer should precede this process." }, { "end_time": "1:11:29", "start_time": "1:11:25", "text": "When you close your eyes, that's where a movie starts playing in your head and things start happening." }, { "end_time": "1:11:30", "start_time": "1:11:29", "text": "At least that's what it's been for me." }, { "end_time": "1:11:38", "start_time": "1:11:30", "text": "In both these experiences, It begins with that entity, like mother Ayahuasca or the mushroom, and then they take you through a process." }, { "end_time": "1:11:39", "start_time": "1:11:38", "text": "And it was very different for me." }, { "end_time": "1:11:48", "start_time": "1:11:39", "text": "With Ayahuasca, it was like, I went I I I went on this, like, road, and I could see little windows where I could enter aspects of my past." }, { "end_time": "1:11:52", "start_time": "1:11:48", "text": "And I could go to past memory, stay there for as long as I'd like, and then come back on the road." }, { "end_time": "1:11:56", "start_time": "1:11:52", "text": "And it helped me heal so many things from my childhood by just going there." }, { "end_time": "1:11:59", "start_time": "1:11:57", "text": "And it it gives you deeper experiences." }, { "end_time": "1:12:04", "start_time": "1:11:59", "text": "Like at the end of my Ayahuasca trip, I saw big visualization which actually gave me my answer." }, { "end_time": "1:12:11", "start_time": "1:12:04", "text": "At that point I was asking Ayahuasca if YouTubing is the right way to go in life because I've done engineering like most Indian dudes." }, { "end_time": "1:12:11", "start_time": "1:12:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:12:14", "start_time": "1:12:11", "text": "And doing YouTube was an extreme jump." }, { "end_time": "1:12:19", "start_time": "1:12:14", "text": "So it just it showed me like a massive fireball going past me." }, { "end_time": "1:12:25", "start_time": "1:12:19", "text": "And the mother Ayahuasca told me that, like, this fireball could be your career if you have self belief." }, { "end_time": "1:12:27", "start_time": "1:12:25", "text": "So take self belief." }, { "end_time": "1:12:29", "start_time": "1:12:27", "text": "And I opened my eyes and I started crying." }, { "end_time": "1:12:30", "start_time": "1:12:30", "text": "Not out of pain." }, { "end_time": "1:12:32", "start_time": "1:12:30", "text": "Just out of, like, joy." }, { "end_time": "1:12:35", "start_time": "1:12:32", "text": "Out of knowing something has switched in my head." }, { "end_time": "1:12:37", "start_time": "1:12:36", "text": "That was Ayahuasca." }, { "end_time": "1:12:40", "start_time": "1:12:37", "text": "But the mushroom, it played around with my head." }, { "end_time": "1:12:44", "start_time": "1:12:41", "text": "When I and I did, like, my meditation, my prayer, all that before it." }, { "end_time": "1:12:52", "start_time": "1:12:45", "text": "It it opened up aspects of my body, showed me a profiling of myself after 7 years of this grind of my career." }, { "end_time": "1:13:01", "start_time": "1:12:52", "text": "After I gained the self belief, after I saw ups and downs, what had happened, who am I right now gave me that level of self awareness, which definitely happens in some deep meditation sessions." }, { "end_time": "1:13:06", "start_time": "1:13:01", "text": "But with meditation, you really you probably realize 3 or 4 things about yourself." }, { "end_time": "1:13:09", "start_time": "1:13:06", "text": "It showed me 90 things about my own mind." }, { "end_time": "1:13:11", "start_time": "1:13:09", "text": "And then it showed me the dark stuff as well." }, { "end_time": "1:13:11", "start_time": "1:13:11", "text": "It told me, no." }, { "end_time": "1:13:11", "start_time": "1:13:11", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:13:12", "start_time": "1:13:11", "text": "Go there." }, { "end_time": "1:13:14", "start_time": "1:13:12", "text": "And I was fighting it." }, { "end_time": "1:13:16", "start_time": "1:13:14", "text": "I was fighting and I told my shaman, I don't wanna fucking go there." }, { "end_time": "1:13:17", "start_time": "1:13:16", "text": "Why is it taking me there?" }, { "end_time": "1:13:18", "start_time": "1:13:17", "text": "And he said, okay." }, { "end_time": "1:13:18", "start_time": "1:13:18", "text": "I can move on." }, { "end_time": "1:13:19", "start_time": "1:13:18", "text": "Go to another part." }, { "end_time": "1:13:23", "start_time": "1:13:19", "text": "Then I started solving the questions that I actually asked of it." }, { "end_time": "1:13:24", "start_time": "1:13:23", "text": "It helped me solve that." }, { "end_time": "1:13:26", "start_time": "1:13:24", "text": "It was like some breakup situation that I was solving." }, { "end_time": "1:13:28", "start_time": "1:13:27", "text": "The same football breakup." }, { "end_time": "1:13:30", "start_time": "1:13:28", "text": "But this is like years after it." }, { "end_time": "1:13:32", "start_time": "1:13:30", "text": "So I was I was questioning why I'm taking so long to heal." }, { "end_time": "1:13:34", "start_time": "1:13:32", "text": "It healed me there." }, { "end_time": "1:13:37", "start_time": "1:13:34", "text": "And after healing me, it took me back to some family situation." }, { "end_time": "1:13:42", "start_time": "1:13:38", "text": "It took me to some And a family situations that you hadn't remembered until then." }, { "end_time": "1:13:43", "start_time": "1:13:42", "text": "That's interesting." }, { "end_time": "1:13:43", "start_time": "1:13:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:13:48", "start_time": "1:13:43", "text": "And it only solved this out solved this out, but I just wasn't able to during the mushroom trip." }, { "end_time": "1:13:52", "start_time": "1:13:48", "text": "But what I ended up with was a task list from the mushroom." }, { "end_time": "1:13:54", "start_time": "1:13:52", "text": "It told me do these things." }, { "end_time": "1:13:56", "start_time": "1:13:54", "text": "And I've done 2 out of the 3 things." }, { "end_time": "1:14:00", "start_time": "1:13:57", "text": "Actually, one out of the 3 things because the other 2 are too difficult." }, { "end_time": "1:14:08", "start_time": "1:14:01", "text": "But it said that that's the stark difference of doing psilocybin with a shaman that it won't sort out your shit the way mother Ayahuasca does." }, { "end_time": "1:14:11", "start_time": "1:14:09", "text": "It'll give you a task list and tell you, listen." }, { "end_time": "1:14:13", "start_time": "1:14:11", "text": "Go do these things, and then you've gotta sort it yourself." }, { "end_time": "1:14:14", "start_time": "1:14:13", "text": "But it'll help you in the process." }, { "end_time": "1:14:15", "start_time": "1:14:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:14:18", "start_time": "1:14:15", "text": "In the same way that mushrooms rot wood in forests." }, { "end_time": "1:14:21", "start_time": "1:14:19", "text": "So imagine the wood to be your darkness or your negativity." }, { "end_time": "1:14:26", "start_time": "1:14:22", "text": "The mushrooms will begin the rotting process, but at the end of the day, you've gotta, like, burn it." }, { "end_time": "1:14:27", "start_time": "1:14:26", "text": "Ah, interesting." }, { "end_time": "1:14:28", "start_time": "1:14:27", "text": "So I like that." }, { "end_time": "1:14:31", "start_time": "1:14:29", "text": "Very, very important life experiences, man." }, { "end_time": "1:14:35", "start_time": "1:14:31", "text": "But when you closed your eyes, did you, like, did you visualize anything at all?" }, { "end_time": "1:14:37", "start_time": "1:14:35", "text": "I visualize more when I opened my eyes." }, { "end_time": "1:14:41", "start_time": "1:14:37", "text": "Like I said, when I was on the hammock, I remember putting my hands up." }, { "end_time": "1:14:47", "start_time": "1:14:41", "text": "My fingers extended into the branch, and the branches extended up into the stars." }, { "end_time": "1:14:48", "start_time": "1:14:47", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:14:49", "start_time": "1:14:48", "text": "That's when I noticed more." }, { "end_time": "1:14:57", "start_time": "1:14:49", "text": "And I remember, you know, going to going to the toilet and just seeing, like I said, the vascular system in the walls and in the ground." }, { "end_time": "1:14:59", "start_time": "1:14:57", "text": "Everything was moving." }, { "end_time": "1:15:00", "start_time": "1:14:59", "text": "And that's when I realized, wow." }, { "end_time": "1:15:03", "start_time": "1:15:00", "text": "Even a cement is part of Earth." }, { "end_time": "1:15:04", "start_time": "1:15:03", "text": "It's alive." }, { "end_time": "1:15:06", "start_time": "1:15:04", "text": "Everything around us is alive." }, { "end_time": "1:15:09", "start_time": "1:15:06", "text": "That's what I saw, and that was on the last evening when my eyes were open." }, { "end_time": "1:15:10", "start_time": "1:15:09", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:15:13", "start_time": "1:15:10", "text": "But like I said, maybe it's because I was around too many people." }, { "end_time": "1:15:14", "start_time": "1:15:13", "text": "There's too many distraction." }, { "end_time": "1:15:17", "start_time": "1:15:14", "text": "I can focus so much of the beauty in a moment." }, { "end_time": "1:15:18", "start_time": "1:15:17", "text": "Who knows?" }, { "end_time": "1:15:22", "start_time": "1:15:18", "text": "There's one guy there that was just I thought it was quite entertaining." }, { "end_time": "1:15:28", "start_time": "1:15:22", "text": "A lot of people were disturbed by it, but he was just screaming, screaming big time." }, { "end_time": "1:15:29", "start_time": "1:15:28", "text": "And I was thinking, this is whiskey." }, { "end_time": "1:15:30", "start_time": "1:15:29", "text": "So you know?" }, { "end_time": "1:15:37", "start_time": "1:15:30", "text": "And but, you know, I know some people said the next day they were disturbed by it, but, you know, it's just a distraction in it." }, { "end_time": "1:15:37", "start_time": "1:15:37", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:15:38", "start_time": "1:15:37", "text": "Like, I tell you what." }, { "end_time": "1:15:41", "start_time": "1:15:38", "text": "I had Nick this is a funny story, actually, if you've got a second." }, { "end_time": "1:15:42", "start_time": "1:15:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:15:42", "start_time": "1:15:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:15:45", "start_time": "1:15:42", "text": "So, I take CBD." }, { "end_time": "1:15:45", "start_time": "1:15:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:15:51", "start_time": "1:15:46", "text": "And in the US, you're allowed to have 0.3% THC in that CBD." }, { "end_time": "1:15:58", "start_time": "1:15:51", "text": "So that's what I usually take on a on a daily basis to help with sleep, help with relaxation, and what and whatnot." }, { "end_time": "1:16:00", "start_time": "1:15:58", "text": "You don't really feel any effects of it, though." }, { "end_time": "1:16:00", "start_time": "1:16:00", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:16:02", "start_time": "1:16:00", "text": "You don't feel like You're stoned." }, { "end_time": "1:16:02", "start_time": "1:16:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:16:03", "start_time": "1:16:02", "text": "You're stoned." }, { "end_time": "1:16:06", "start_time": "1:16:03", "text": "It's just mainly the CBD that's doing the work." }, { "end_time": "1:16:15", "start_time": "1:16:06", "text": "Anyway, this company that I get the CBD from, they also make another form of of the product, another brand of the product." }, { "end_time": "1:16:18", "start_time": "1:16:16", "text": "And I was in a spare bathroom downstairs." }, { "end_time": "1:16:23", "start_time": "1:16:18", "text": "I was watching a movie, and I thought, oh, there's a there's another, CBD here." }, { "end_time": "1:16:25", "start_time": "1:16:23", "text": "I'll take that before bed." }, { "end_time": "1:16:31", "start_time": "1:16:25", "text": "I usually take 3 the 3,000 milligram strength, and I'll take 3 tinctures of that." }, { "end_time": "1:16:31", "start_time": "1:16:31", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:16:34", "start_time": "1:16:31", "text": "Over a 100 milligrams, I'll take 3 tinctures." }, { "end_time": "1:16:35", "start_time": "1:16:34", "text": "And I saw this as 1200." }, { "end_time": "1:16:36", "start_time": "1:16:35", "text": "I was like, oh, right." }, { "end_time": "1:16:39", "start_time": "1:16:36", "text": "I could take probably 3 more of or 2 more of that." }, { "end_time": "1:16:44", "start_time": "1:16:39", "text": "So I took them, started watching a movie, and I was like, I think I'm getting feeling high here." }, { "end_time": "1:16:45", "start_time": "1:16:44", "text": "I was like, what's going on?" }, { "end_time": "1:16:48", "start_time": "1:16:45", "text": "I was like, maybe there's a bad batch that I had in that CBD." }, { "end_time": "1:16:52", "start_time": "1:16:49", "text": "And then I was getting worse and worse, and I was thinking, you know, I'm next to my girlfriend." }, { "end_time": "1:16:56", "start_time": "1:16:52", "text": "I'm like, at what point do I actually say freaking high here?" }, { "end_time": "1:16:58", "start_time": "1:16:56", "text": "And it was getting so bad." }, { "end_time": "1:17:00", "start_time": "1:16:58", "text": "Eventually, I was like, I'm trash." }, { "end_time": "1:17:01", "start_time": "1:17:00", "text": "I feel off my titties." }, { "end_time": "1:17:05", "start_time": "1:17:01", "text": "She said, I thought you were because you're saying things like this movie's odd and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "1:17:07", "start_time": "1:17:05", "text": "There's nothing odd about it." }, { "end_time": "1:17:08", "start_time": "1:17:07", "text": "It's the gray man." }, { "end_time": "1:17:08", "start_time": "1:17:08", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:17:11", "start_time": "1:17:09", "text": "And, and I said, I had that CBD." }, { "end_time": "1:17:13", "start_time": "1:17:11", "text": "I think it was bad batch." }, { "end_time": "1:17:16", "start_time": "1:17:13", "text": "She said, was it the one that said delta 8 on it?" }, { "end_time": "1:17:17", "start_time": "1:17:16", "text": "And I said, yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:17:19", "start_time": "1:17:17", "text": "She's like, that's pure CBD." }, { "end_time": "1:17:20", "start_time": "1:17:19", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "1:17:23", "start_time": "1:17:20", "text": "I'd had a 100 and 60 milligrams oh, no." }, { "end_time": "1:17:24", "start_time": "1:17:23", "text": "Pure THC." }, { "end_time": "1:17:24", "start_time": "1:17:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:17:27", "start_time": "1:17:24", "text": "A 160 milligrams of THC." }, { "end_time": "1:17:36", "start_time": "1:17:27", "text": "And I've spoken to a lot of people that are just into smoking, and I'm like, I don't know anybody that's ever done anything close to a 160." }, { "end_time": "1:17:40", "start_time": "1:17:37", "text": "So that night, I was closing my eyes." }, { "end_time": "1:17:41", "start_time": "1:17:40", "text": "Obviously, I was trying to sleep it off." }, { "end_time": "1:17:43", "start_time": "1:17:41", "text": "I was trying to weather the storm." }, { "end_time": "1:17:44", "start_time": "1:17:43", "text": "I saw a lot." }, { "end_time": "1:17:46", "start_time": "1:17:44", "text": "I saw a lot that night." }, { "end_time": "1:17:47", "start_time": "1:17:46", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:17:50", "start_time": "1:17:47", "text": "And I remember my wife was she she was looking at the label." }, { "end_time": "1:17:53", "start_time": "1:17:50", "text": "She's looking online, and she's going, I think we should call the ambulance." }, { "end_time": "1:17:55", "start_time": "1:17:53", "text": "I'm like, do not call the ambulance." }, { "end_time": "1:17:58", "start_time": "1:17:55", "text": "I'll go upstairs, and I'll just weather this storm." }, { "end_time": "1:17:59", "start_time": "1:17:58", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:18:01", "start_time": "1:17:59", "text": "But I woke up the next day, and I had to film in the morning." }, { "end_time": "1:18:04", "start_time": "1:18:01", "text": "I had to film with my sunglasses on because they're still stoned." }, { "end_time": "1:18:09", "start_time": "1:18:04", "text": "But that was like that was like a a like a heroic dose." }, { "end_time": "1:18:14", "start_time": "1:18:10", "text": "It felt like it was much more than what THC should have been." }, { "end_time": "1:18:20", "start_time": "1:18:14", "text": "It felt, you know, it felt it was really weird because at the moment, I'm like, I just need to straighten myself up." }, { "end_time": "1:18:23", "start_time": "1:18:20", "text": "I just gotta weather through this because I gotta film in the morning." }, { "end_time": "1:18:30", "start_time": "1:18:24", "text": "But in the morning, you know, or throughout the next day, I felt so much more clarity in my brain." }, { "end_time": "1:18:30", "start_time": "1:18:30", "text": "It's weird." }, { "end_time": "1:18:36", "start_time": "1:18:30", "text": "It was so weird because it was so bizarre and hectic and chaotic at the time, but it felt like that chaos." }, { "end_time": "1:18:40", "start_time": "1:18:37", "text": "You know, just much like with a sacrifice, that's where the success comes." }, { "end_time": "1:18:43", "start_time": "1:18:40", "text": "I felt that I experienced the success following." }, { "end_time": "1:18:45", "start_time": "1:18:43", "text": "So weird, but it's all by accident." }, { "end_time": "1:18:46", "start_time": "1:18:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:18:51", "start_time": "1:18:46", "text": "Only when you know the depths of your own darkness can you, like, work with healing, work with light." }, { "end_time": "1:18:52", "start_time": "1:18:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:18:52", "start_time": "1:18:52", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "1:18:52", "start_time": "1:18:52", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:18:55", "start_time": "1:18:52", "text": "It's like, for me, weight training is therapy." }, { "end_time": "1:18:59", "start_time": "1:18:55", "text": "And if I've had a bad day, then I know that's gonna be a terribly hard workout." }, { "end_time": "1:19:09", "start_time": "1:18:59", "text": "I'm gonna hurt for days following because I find that you need to heal those wounds by going a little bit deeper with the with the training, you know, to a certain degree." }, { "end_time": "1:19:09", "start_time": "1:19:09", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:19:13", "start_time": "1:19:09", "text": "The more scar tissue that you build up, the more it's gonna heal after." }, { "end_time": "1:19:14", "start_time": "1:19:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:19:18", "start_time": "1:19:14", "text": "Did you get a bad trip as they call it, like, when you were high on THC?" }, { "end_time": "1:19:19", "start_time": "1:19:19", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:19:20", "start_time": "1:19:19", "text": "I didn't get bad." }, { "end_time": "1:19:22", "start_time": "1:19:21", "text": "Say It is more than anything." }, { "end_time": "1:19:24", "start_time": "1:19:22", "text": "I was just thinking, god." }, { "end_time": "1:19:25", "start_time": "1:19:24", "text": "How did I do this?" }, { "end_time": "1:19:25", "start_time": "1:19:25", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:19:26", "start_time": "1:19:25", "text": "It was just a mistake." }, { "end_time": "1:19:31", "start_time": "1:19:27", "text": "And I just I had a film crew coming around at 7 AM the next morning." }, { "end_time": "1:19:37", "start_time": "1:19:31", "text": "And the whole reason why I took that CBD was to have a really good night's sleep." }, { "end_time": "1:19:40", "start_time": "1:19:38", "text": "I woke up the next day exhausted, like I hadn't slept at all." }, { "end_time": "1:19:40", "start_time": "1:19:40", "text": "Because I think it reduces your REM sleep." }, { "end_time": "1:19:40", "start_time": "1:19:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:19:44", "start_time": "1:19:40", "text": "Like that if too Because I think it reduces your REM sleep." }, { "end_time": "1:19:44", "start_time": "1:19:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:19:45", "start_time": "1:19:44", "text": "Like that if too much I I actually really wanted a tracker." }, { "end_time": "1:19:46", "start_time": "1:19:45", "text": "I usually wear an Oura ring." }, { "end_time": "1:19:51", "start_time": "1:19:46", "text": "I've got it on charge at the moment, but it was flat because I was really interested to know what it did to my sleep." }, { "end_time": "1:19:53", "start_time": "1:19:52", "text": "Fair enough." }, { "end_time": "1:20:06", "start_time": "1:19:57", "text": "Do you feel like all these experiences, the THC edible experience, the Ayahuasca, psilocybin, have you come out a different man from all 3?" }, { "end_time": "1:20:19", "start_time": "1:20:06", "text": "I'd say it's out of everything that I've spoken about, what has had the most profound effect, in light with positivity in my life is the Vipassana for me." }, { "end_time": "1:20:23", "start_time": "1:20:19", "text": "That's personally because I've tried all these things, and I was like, well, let me try the Vipassana." }, { "end_time": "1:20:27", "start_time": "1:20:24", "text": "And that was definitely the most positive experience for me." }, { "end_time": "1:20:32", "start_time": "1:20:27", "text": "And I I would probably do it every year, you know, as in, like, a top up." }, { "end_time": "1:20:32", "start_time": "1:20:32", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:20:38", "start_time": "1:20:32", "text": "Because it's very important that you continue your meditation technique following that." }, { "end_time": "1:20:38", "start_time": "1:20:38", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:20:39", "start_time": "1:20:38", "text": "They'll recommend, like, 3 hours a day." }, { "end_time": "1:20:41", "start_time": "1:20:39", "text": "I'm not gonna do 3 hours a day." }, { "end_time": "1:20:41", "start_time": "1:20:41", "text": "Uh-huh." }, { "end_time": "1:20:46", "start_time": "1:20:41", "text": "But I'll do, you know, 20 30 minutes in the morning and maybe 20 minutes in the evening." }, { "end_time": "1:20:47", "start_time": "1:20:46", "text": "That's what I do right now." }, { "end_time": "1:20:49", "start_time": "1:20:47", "text": "But until you know, I'll keep that top up." }, { "end_time": "1:20:55", "start_time": "1:20:49", "text": "So the end of the year, then I'll maybe do another 10 day, you know, kinda go boot camp again." }, { "end_time": "1:20:55", "start_time": "1:20:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:21:03", "start_time": "1:20:55", "text": "If if 10 years back, you told me Chris Gethin would be speaking to me about Vipassana and psilocybin and Ayahuasca, dude, I wouldn't have believed it." }, { "end_time": "1:21:04", "start_time": "1:21:03", "text": "You were a different person." }, { "end_time": "1:21:05", "start_time": "1:21:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:21:07", "start_time": "1:21:05", "text": "You would have and I've been following you for a while." }, { "end_time": "1:21:07", "start_time": "1:21:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:21:13", "start_time": "1:21:07", "text": "I was definitely you know, like, I wasn't following a lot of the protocols that I'm doing now in regards to eating organic or whatever." }, { "end_time": "1:21:15", "start_time": "1:21:14", "text": "I just had this a lot of aggression." }, { "end_time": "1:21:16", "start_time": "1:21:16", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:21:21", "start_time": "1:21:16", "text": "A lot of aggression that I used to my advantage to help my bodybuilding goals." }, { "end_time": "1:21:26", "start_time": "1:21:21", "text": "And, you know, I I I I got into bodybuilding because I love weight training." }, { "end_time": "1:21:28", "start_time": "1:21:26", "text": "A lot of people get into bodybuilding because they like bodybuilding." }, { "end_time": "1:21:29", "start_time": "1:21:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:21:34", "start_time": "1:21:29", "text": "I love weight training, and I love seeing how far I can push myself in the gym." }, { "end_time": "1:21:40", "start_time": "1:21:34", "text": "And that created a different sort of mindset because I've always been very competitive, not so much in team sports." }, { "end_time": "1:21:47", "start_time": "1:21:40", "text": "You know, I competed in motocross, downhill mountain biking, Ironman triathlon, ultramarathon, bodybuilding." }, { "end_time": "1:21:58", "start_time": "1:21:47", "text": "It's always been a singular journey, and I I'd always have to close myself off and kinda turn into what this AKA character of mine was, which was cage muscle, in order to produce those results." }, { "end_time": "1:22:01", "start_time": "1:21:58", "text": "So I had to turn into it like a bit bit of a different person." }, { "end_time": "1:22:06", "start_time": "1:22:01", "text": "But now I've been able to eliminate the gap between the alter ego and myself now." }, { "end_time": "1:22:12", "start_time": "1:22:06", "text": "There's a story I've been holding back from you since the time I met you even on this podcast, and I thought I'd bring it up in the end." }, { "end_time": "1:22:15", "start_time": "1:22:13", "text": "We actually have to talk about diets as well." }, { "end_time": "1:22:19", "start_time": "1:22:15", "text": "But before getting to the diet section, I'm thinking I'll bring in the story." }, { "end_time": "1:22:21", "start_time": "1:22:19", "text": "You've interacted with me for an hour and a half right now." }, { "end_time": "1:22:23", "start_time": "1:22:21", "text": "Do you feel I wish bad for you?" }, { "end_time": "1:22:24", "start_time": "1:22:24", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:22:25", "start_time": "1:22:24", "text": "Not at all." }, { "end_time": "1:22:28", "start_time": "1:22:26", "text": "You feel like I'm just trying to learn from you." }, { "end_time": "1:22:28", "start_time": "1:22:28", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:22:29", "start_time": "1:22:28", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "1:22:29", "start_time": "1:22:29", "text": "We're just interacting." }, { "end_time": "1:22:30", "start_time": "1:22:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:22:30", "start_time": "1:22:30", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "1:22:34", "start_time": "1:22:31", "text": "You and me have interacted in the past in a negative way." }, { "end_time": "1:22:35", "start_time": "1:22:34", "text": "Oh, really?" }, { "end_time": "1:22:35", "start_time": "1:22:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:22:35", "start_time": "1:22:35", "text": "Interesting." }, { "end_time": "1:22:36", "start_time": "1:22:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:22:37", "start_time": "1:22:36", "text": "This is gonna get juicy." }, { "end_time": "1:22:47", "start_time": "1:22:40", "text": "The reason so when Chris Gethin was brought up as a name for this show, I agreed immediately for this moment." }, { "end_time": "1:22:48", "start_time": "1:22:47", "text": "What's gonna happen right now?" }, { "end_time": "1:22:49", "start_time": "1:22:48", "text": "Alright." }, { "end_time": "1:22:51", "start_time": "1:22:49", "text": "Because I wanted to apologize to you." }, { "end_time": "1:22:51", "start_time": "1:22:51", "text": "Interesting." }, { "end_time": "1:22:52", "start_time": "1:22:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:22:53", "start_time": "1:22:52", "text": "For something that I did?" }, { "end_time": "1:22:53", "start_time": "1:22:53", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:22:55", "start_time": "1:22:53", "text": "Some for something that I did." }, { "end_time": "1:22:55", "start_time": "1:22:55", "text": "Alright." }, { "end_time": "1:22:55", "start_time": "1:22:55", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:22:57", "start_time": "1:22:56", "text": "This is, like, back in 2010." }, { "end_time": "1:22:58", "start_time": "1:22:57", "text": "No?" }, { "end_time": "1:22:59", "start_time": "1:22:58", "text": "Well, when I first came here?" }, { "end_time": "1:23:00", "start_time": "1:22:59", "text": "2010, 2011." }, { "end_time": "1:23:01", "start_time": "1:23:01", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:23:01", "start_time": "1:23:01", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:23:07", "start_time": "1:23:03", "text": "And this is one thing I love about foreigners who are into fitness." }, { "end_time": "1:23:11", "start_time": "1:23:08", "text": "There's definitely that same sense of aggression and go getting." }, { "end_time": "1:23:19", "start_time": "1:23:12", "text": "But at least back then in Indian gyms and Indian fitness, there was a lot of jealousy and insecurity flying around and aggression, obviously." }, { "end_time": "1:23:27", "start_time": "1:23:19", "text": "Like, you if you went to, like, an Indian gym, people would be comparing themselves to each other and putting down the other dude and saying, oh, you've dropped your body and all that." }, { "end_time": "1:23:32", "start_time": "1:23:27", "text": "And you'd notice that most of those dudes have stuck to the process of weight training for the wrong reasons, and it's usually insecurity." }, { "end_time": "1:23:34", "start_time": "1:23:33", "text": "You know, they're insecure about something in their life." }, { "end_time": "1:23:35", "start_time": "1:23:34", "text": "They think they're ugly." }, { "end_time": "1:23:36", "start_time": "1:23:35", "text": "They think they're short." }, { "end_time": "1:23:37", "start_time": "1:23:36", "text": "They think they're fat." }, { "end_time": "1:23:38", "start_time": "1:23:37", "text": "They think whatever." }, { "end_time": "1:23:40", "start_time": "1:23:38", "text": "That's why the majority of people get into bodybuilding." }, { "end_time": "1:23:41", "start_time": "1:23:40", "text": "I got bullied, whatever." }, { "end_time": "1:23:41", "start_time": "1:23:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:23:47", "start_time": "1:23:41", "text": "And the ones that stick to it, stick to it because of the wrong motivations in terms of, oh, I'm gonna put my anger into this, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "1:23:49", "start_time": "1:23:47", "text": "And I was one of those dudes as well." }, { "end_time": "1:23:49", "start_time": "1:23:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:23:50", "start_time": "1:23:49", "text": "That's true." }, { "end_time": "1:23:51", "start_time": "1:23:50", "text": "I'm sure you started, like, in a similar way." }, { "end_time": "1:23:52", "start_time": "1:23:51", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "1:23:53", "start_time": "1:23:52", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "1:24:04", "start_time": "1:23:53", "text": "You need to work that shit out for yourself as a man, get past your own insecurities, and then start training for the right reasons, which is just therapeutic or going into your own body." }, { "end_time": "1:24:08", "start_time": "1:24:04", "text": "Like, one thing I've got to learn about you from this episode is that you experiment with your own body a lot." }, { "end_time": "1:24:10", "start_time": "1:24:08", "text": "And I love doing that as well." }, { "end_time": "1:24:13", "start_time": "1:24:10", "text": "You know, so you've got to kind of transition into the right zone." }, { "end_time": "1:24:17", "start_time": "1:24:14", "text": "Now keep in mind when this had happened, I was in, like, the wrong zone, man." }, { "end_time": "1:24:19", "start_time": "1:24:17", "text": "You know, there was alcohol in my life." }, { "end_time": "1:24:21", "start_time": "1:24:19", "text": "Like, I I've dealt with alcoholism, man." }, { "end_time": "1:24:22", "start_time": "1:24:21", "text": "This is probably around the same time." }, { "end_time": "1:24:28", "start_time": "1:24:23", "text": "So, I think this is when you were just kind of gaining your name in the Indian fitness scene." }, { "end_time": "1:24:34", "start_time": "1:24:28", "text": "And my first impulse towards you as a 19 year old I'm 29 now, so this happened 10 years ago." }, { "end_time": "1:24:39", "start_time": "1:24:34", "text": "As a 19 year old, I saw a fit guy becoming Reticrossian trainer." }, { "end_time": "1:24:43", "start_time": "1:24:39", "text": "You were like like you know, your your photos and all that." }, { "end_time": "1:24:44", "start_time": "1:24:43", "text": "I remember your tattoos, man." }, { "end_time": "1:24:45", "start_time": "1:24:44", "text": "Like, all that." }, { "end_time": "1:24:47", "start_time": "1:24:45", "text": "My first impulse towards you, honestly, was jealousy." }, { "end_time": "1:24:48", "start_time": "1:24:48", "text": "Like, I was jealous." }, { "end_time": "1:24:50", "start_time": "1:24:48", "text": "I was envious of you." }, { "end_time": "1:25:01", "start_time": "1:24:50", "text": "Because I felt like, you know, sometimes as a fitness coach or as a fitness enthusiast, you think you know everything about form and you think that everyone else is not up to the mark, especially if you're scientifically oriented." }, { "end_time": "1:25:06", "start_time": "1:25:02", "text": "So I would always, like, look down upon you in conversations with Feisal and Chris Gethin doesn't know anything." }, { "end_time": "1:25:15", "start_time": "1:25:07", "text": "And this one time, I think you'd put up a photo of your legs, and, my my account name was beer biceps even back then." }, { "end_time": "1:25:17", "start_time": "1:25:15", "text": "This is way before the actual Funny." }, { "end_time": "1:25:21", "start_time": "1:25:18", "text": "And I I told you in that." }, { "end_time": "1:25:28", "start_time": "1:25:21", "text": "Like, a friend of me tagged, my account under your post, and I wrote something like he's a steroid user." }, { "end_time": "1:25:33", "start_time": "1:25:29", "text": "And, you lashed out at me, and I loved fights." }, { "end_time": "1:25:35", "start_time": "1:25:33", "text": "So I mean, I'm I'm a very different person." }, { "end_time": "1:25:38", "start_time": "1:25:35", "text": "That's terrible then because I liked fights back then as well." }, { "end_time": "1:25:40", "start_time": "1:25:38", "text": "I'd argue with everybody online." }, { "end_time": "1:25:48", "start_time": "1:25:41", "text": "And we we had this long ass argument which became famous not only in my gym, but at my workplace." }, { "end_time": "1:25:51", "start_time": "1:25:48", "text": "I was doing this internship with this finance firm back then." }, { "end_time": "1:25:53", "start_time": "1:25:51", "text": "It became famous that this guy took on Chris Gethin." }, { "end_time": "1:25:57", "start_time": "1:25:54", "text": "Do you remember that we met in Soho House 2 weeks ago?" }, { "end_time": "1:25:58", "start_time": "1:25:57", "text": "I remember that." }, { "end_time": "1:25:58", "start_time": "1:25:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:26:02", "start_time": "1:25:58", "text": "I wanted to come up and tell you this, but I had a gut feeling we'll do a podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:26:03", "start_time": "1:26:02", "text": "Oh, that's cool." }, { "end_time": "1:26:05", "start_time": "1:26:04", "text": "Honestly, 2 things, man." }, { "end_time": "1:26:06", "start_time": "1:26:05", "text": "Firstly, I'm really sorry." }, { "end_time": "1:26:07", "start_time": "1:26:06", "text": "Like No." }, { "end_time": "1:26:07", "start_time": "1:26:07", "text": "It's alright." }, { "end_time": "1:26:08", "start_time": "1:26:07", "text": "I thought you was gonna say, hey." }, { "end_time": "1:26:11", "start_time": "1:26:08", "text": "I was the guy that got you banned from Gold's Gym here." }, { "end_time": "1:26:11", "start_time": "1:26:11", "text": "I was like, it's you." }, { "end_time": "1:26:12", "start_time": "1:26:11", "text": "Alright." }, { "end_time": "1:26:12", "start_time": "1:26:12", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:26:13", "start_time": "1:26:12", "text": "But No." }, { "end_time": "1:26:13", "start_time": "1:26:13", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:26:13", "start_time": "1:26:13", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:26:13", "start_time": "1:26:13", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:26:17", "start_time": "1:26:14", "text": "I was just acting out of place of immaturity and jealousy." }, { "end_time": "1:26:22", "start_time": "1:26:18", "text": "And secondly, man, honestly, even even you, you've changed." }, { "end_time": "1:26:25", "start_time": "1:26:22", "text": "Like, I feel if that same thing happened to you now, you wouldn't even lash out." }, { "end_time": "1:26:26", "start_time": "1:26:25", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:26:33", "start_time": "1:26:26", "text": "I'd probably defend myself, you know, because I try to defend myself from people what what's what's what I know is my truth and what's right." }, { "end_time": "1:26:35", "start_time": "1:26:33", "text": "And, you know, people always have their assumptions." }, { "end_time": "1:26:44", "start_time": "1:26:35", "text": "So I always try to, you know, argue my point to a certain degree to defend my position, but I don't go out there and just lash out now or try to, okay, this is an argument." }, { "end_time": "1:26:45", "start_time": "1:26:44", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:26:45", "start_time": "1:26:45", "text": "Pain body's here." }, { "end_time": "1:26:46", "start_time": "1:26:45", "text": "Let's go for it." }, { "end_time": "1:26:46", "start_time": "1:26:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:26:47", "start_time": "1:26:46", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:26:49", "start_time": "1:26:47", "text": "So I I've read about Eckhart Tolle, The Power of Now." }, { "end_time": "1:26:51", "start_time": "1:26:49", "text": "So I realized to back off." }, { "end_time": "1:26:58", "start_time": "1:26:51", "text": "I think when you're not past that phase as a fitness enthusiast, you kind of look for fights a lot more." }, { "end_time": "1:26:58", "start_time": "1:26:58", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:27:04", "start_time": "1:26:58", "text": "You kind of look for places outside of the gym where you can channelize aggression without actually hitting someone." }, { "end_time": "1:27:04", "start_time": "1:27:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:27:08", "start_time": "1:27:04", "text": "Like, none of us wanna kind of get into physical alterations or cause physical harm on anyone." }, { "end_time": "1:27:08", "start_time": "1:27:08", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:27:09", "start_time": "1:27:08", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "1:27:13", "start_time": "1:27:09", "text": "But the Internet becomes like this nice juicy place to kind of act out in terms of aggression." }, { "end_time": "1:27:15", "start_time": "1:27:13", "text": "Everyone's a UFC champ on that." }, { "end_time": "1:27:16", "start_time": "1:27:15", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:27:17", "start_time": "1:27:16", "text": "That's that's true." }, { "end_time": "1:27:21", "start_time": "1:27:17", "text": "But you see it all you know, it hasn't changed in the culture, you know, all around the world." }, { "end_time": "1:27:22", "start_time": "1:27:21", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:27:27", "start_time": "1:27:22", "text": "The online culture is just a victim of it where they see somebody, and they think, okay." }, { "end_time": "1:27:32", "start_time": "1:27:27", "text": "That's I'm not living up to those expectations, so I'm gonna bring them down to mine." }, { "end_time": "1:27:32", "start_time": "1:27:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:27:36", "start_time": "1:27:32", "text": "And, like, I I see it now as a witness to other people." }, { "end_time": "1:27:38", "start_time": "1:27:36", "text": "Like, I'm sure you know Mike O'Hearn." }, { "end_time": "1:27:38", "start_time": "1:27:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:27:42", "start_time": "1:27:38", "text": "Everybody has said for years years years, these guys are on steroids." }, { "end_time": "1:27:43", "start_time": "1:27:42", "text": "He's not natural, whatever." }, { "end_time": "1:27:45", "start_time": "1:27:43", "text": "Well, I like to give him the benefit of the doubt." }, { "end_time": "1:27:50", "start_time": "1:27:45", "text": "I've trained with that guy several times, and I've seen the life that he lives." }, { "end_time": "1:27:53", "start_time": "1:27:50", "text": "So I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt, but people don't see that." }, { "end_time": "1:27:59", "start_time": "1:27:53", "text": "They don't see what he was like at 16 years old when he was winning world titles at that age." }, { "end_time": "1:27:59", "start_time": "1:27:59", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:28:04", "start_time": "1:27:59", "text": "And here he is now 52 and that's lifting more than the the enhanced guys." }, { "end_time": "1:28:05", "start_time": "1:28:04", "text": "But is he looking like the enhanced guys?" }, { "end_time": "1:28:06", "start_time": "1:28:05", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:28:06", "start_time": "1:28:06", "text": "He's not." }, { "end_time": "1:28:14", "start_time": "1:28:07", "text": "So, you know, I think it all comes down to the perspective what you see behind the the what you see online Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:28:20", "start_time": "1:28:14", "text": "That, you know, that 40 odd years or 30 odd years of training and dedication, kinda living like a monk." }, { "end_time": "1:28:20", "start_time": "1:28:20", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:28:24", "start_time": "1:28:20", "text": "It's just an easier sport to point the finger at." }, { "end_time": "1:28:24", "start_time": "1:28:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:28:25", "start_time": "1:28:24", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:28:32", "start_time": "1:28:25", "text": "If you look at somebody that's a car racer and right you know, faster than anyone else, you're not gonna say it's because it's the fuel that he's put in his car." }, { "end_time": "1:28:32", "start_time": "1:28:32", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:28:33", "start_time": "1:28:32", "text": "It's probably the driver." }, { "end_time": "1:28:34", "start_time": "1:28:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:28:34", "start_time": "1:28:34", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "1:28:41", "start_time": "1:28:34", "text": "I mean, the main kind of outcome for me from this session section is, I'm sorry." }, { "end_time": "1:28:42", "start_time": "1:28:41", "text": "Like, didn't mean it, man." }, { "end_time": "1:28:44", "start_time": "1:28:42", "text": "Like, I didn't know what I was doing." }, { "end_time": "1:28:45", "start_time": "1:28:44", "text": "So I appreciate it, brother." }, { "end_time": "1:28:46", "start_time": "1:28:45", "text": "I appreciate it." }, { "end_time": "1:28:47", "start_time": "1:28:46", "text": "Genuine apology to you." }, { "end_time": "1:28:53", "start_time": "1:28:47", "text": "I I there's something that tells me you probably will remember that particular argument because I really riled you up." }, { "end_time": "1:28:57", "start_time": "1:28:53", "text": "Like, the moment I caught on to the fact that you're being aggressive, I tried, like, pinching you even more." }, { "end_time": "1:29:01", "start_time": "1:28:57", "text": "So it it I was also acting out of a place of my own childhood trauma." }, { "end_time": "1:29:01", "start_time": "1:29:01", "text": "So Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:29:05", "start_time": "1:29:01", "text": "You'll also send me some screenshots or or we'll revisit that." }, { "end_time": "1:29:08", "start_time": "1:29:05", "text": "The weird thing is I probably still have the screenshots." }, { "end_time": "1:29:09", "start_time": "1:29:08", "text": "That'd be funny." }, { "end_time": "1:29:10", "start_time": "1:29:09", "text": "Send them to me, man." }, { "end_time": "1:29:20", "start_time": "1:29:10", "text": "That'd be quite funny to have a look back at because I wanna know what I was like back then because there was a time here in India, like, I this is how I went down the biohacking route." }, { "end_time": "1:29:24", "start_time": "1:29:20", "text": "I got mold toxicity when I was living in an apartment underneath, John Abraham." }, { "end_time": "1:29:31", "start_time": "1:29:24", "text": "I was training John Abraham at the time, and I got mold toxicity, which led to me having literally 3 hours of sleep a night." }, { "end_time": "1:29:32", "start_time": "1:29:31", "text": "So I wasn't a good person to be around." }, { "end_time": "1:29:34", "start_time": "1:29:32", "text": "I was an absolute asshole." }, { "end_time": "1:29:37", "start_time": "1:29:34", "text": "And, This is for shootout at Wadala?" }, { "end_time": "1:29:37", "start_time": "1:29:37", "text": "Pardon?" }, { "end_time": "1:29:43", "start_time": "1:29:37", "text": "There was a movie John Abraham did called shootout at Wadala, which is that movie and force, these two movies Oh, yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:29:43", "start_time": "1:29:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:29:43", "start_time": "1:29:43", "text": "Force." }, { "end_time": "1:29:44", "start_time": "1:29:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:29:46", "start_time": "1:29:44", "text": "Were the 2 best John Abraham physiques." }, { "end_time": "1:29:48", "start_time": "1:29:46", "text": "And I'm assuming you were part of Just after force." }, { "end_time": "1:29:49", "start_time": "1:29:48", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:29:49", "start_time": "1:29:49", "text": "Just After Force." }, { "end_time": "1:29:51", "start_time": "1:29:49", "text": "I was just part of him." }, { "end_time": "1:29:51", "start_time": "1:29:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:29:54", "start_time": "1:29:52", "text": "And, I got more toxicity then." }, { "end_time": "1:30:02", "start_time": "1:29:54", "text": "And, so train like, my training at that time was at its all time highest because I was so aggressive." }, { "end_time": "1:30:04", "start_time": "1:30:02", "text": "And I was like, I don't give a fuck who you are." }, { "end_time": "1:30:06", "start_time": "1:30:04", "text": "I'm gonna out train you even though I'm not gonna get sleep." }, { "end_time": "1:30:07", "start_time": "1:30:06", "text": "I'm gonna outwork you." }, { "end_time": "1:30:12", "start_time": "1:30:07", "text": "And that's just the mentality that I had on myself, on myself." }, { "end_time": "1:30:14", "start_time": "1:30:12", "text": "And I was riding so much." }, { "end_time": "1:30:17", "start_time": "1:30:14", "text": "I I I recorded an album here." }, { "end_time": "1:30:20", "start_time": "1:30:18", "text": "I wrote 2 books here." }, { "end_time": "1:30:22", "start_time": "1:30:21", "text": "Thankfully, I self published." }, { "end_time": "1:30:30", "start_time": "1:30:23", "text": "And, when I look back at what I'd written, not only for the music, but in in his books, I'm like, who was that person?" }, { "end_time": "1:30:31", "start_time": "1:30:30", "text": "Honestly." }, { "end_time": "1:30:32", "start_time": "1:30:31", "text": "Honestly." }, { "end_time": "1:30:34", "start_time": "1:30:32", "text": "And and at that time, I knew that wasn't me." }, { "end_time": "1:30:36", "start_time": "1:30:34", "text": "That's why I went and sought help." }, { "end_time": "1:30:42", "start_time": "1:30:36", "text": "I went and stayed in a clinic in, Altima, Florida for 6 weeks to try to get detoxed." }, { "end_time": "1:30:46", "start_time": "1:30:42", "text": "And I knew at that time there was something wrong." }, { "end_time": "1:30:53", "start_time": "1:30:46", "text": "So now when I reflect back and I see, you know, maybe the argument that I had with you, you know, I'd look at that and go, wow." }, { "end_time": "1:30:54", "start_time": "1:30:53", "text": "Who was that person?" }, { "end_time": "1:30:56", "start_time": "1:30:54", "text": "That was an aggressive cat." }, { "end_time": "1:30:57", "start_time": "1:30:56", "text": "He just wanted a fight." }, { "end_time": "1:31:02", "start_time": "1:30:58", "text": "So if you came to a fight with me, then this was the perfect scenario." }, { "end_time": "1:31:03", "start_time": "1:31:02", "text": "This is the perfect war." }, { "end_time": "1:31:03", "start_time": "1:31:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:31:06", "start_time": "1:31:03", "text": "I wouldn't ever come up for the fight with you." }, { "end_time": "1:31:06", "start_time": "1:31:06", "text": "Hey." }, { "end_time": "1:31:07", "start_time": "1:31:06", "text": "Looks so deceiving, buddy." }, { "end_time": "1:31:09", "start_time": "1:31:07", "text": "I'm I'm a soft cat." }, { "end_time": "1:31:10", "start_time": "1:31:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:31:13", "start_time": "1:31:10", "text": "That's what I've got to know about you over the course of this episode." }, { "end_time": "1:31:14", "start_time": "1:31:13", "text": "Let's talk about Jon Abraham a bit." }, { "end_time": "1:31:15", "start_time": "1:31:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:31:16", "start_time": "1:31:15", "text": "I was at different training him." }, { "end_time": "1:31:17", "start_time": "1:31:16", "text": "I've had him on the show." }, { "end_time": "1:31:19", "start_time": "1:31:17", "text": "That guy is motivated." }, { "end_time": "1:31:19", "start_time": "1:31:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:31:20", "start_time": "1:31:19", "text": "He's a he's a cool guy." }, { "end_time": "1:31:26", "start_time": "1:31:20", "text": "He's got that same sharp level of motivation at 50 that he probably had when he was 22." }, { "end_time": "1:31:27", "start_time": "1:31:26", "text": "Is he 50 now?" }, { "end_time": "1:31:28", "start_time": "1:31:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:31:29", "start_time": "1:31:28", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "1:31:31", "start_time": "1:31:29", "text": "Like, I only saw him 2 weeks ago, if that." }, { "end_time": "1:31:35", "start_time": "1:31:32", "text": "I was in, I I was in a gym, and I I bumped into him." }, { "end_time": "1:31:36", "start_time": "1:31:35", "text": "And he looks great." }, { "end_time": "1:31:37", "start_time": "1:31:37", "text": "Looks phenomenal." }, { "end_time": "1:31:39", "start_time": "1:31:37", "text": "I didn't know he was 50 now." }, { "end_time": "1:31:39", "start_time": "1:31:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:31:41", "start_time": "1:31:39", "text": "And he's got a lot of positive energy about it." }, { "end_time": "1:31:45", "start_time": "1:31:41", "text": "Very, very chilled out, very positive, very laid back." }, { "end_time": "1:31:48", "start_time": "1:31:46", "text": "Like, I remember him just being so so laid back." }, { "end_time": "1:31:53", "start_time": "1:31:48", "text": "And, you know, what we I train him very differently to Riddick because he just doesn't sleep." }, { "end_time": "1:31:59", "start_time": "1:31:53", "text": "The guy doesn't sleep, you know, because he wears so many hats, you know, with his production company Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:32:02", "start_time": "1:31:59", "text": "Looking after sports teams and and whatnot, a lot of responsibility." }, { "end_time": "1:32:07", "start_time": "1:32:02", "text": "So knowing that he wasn't sleeping much, then I wouldn't train him as much." }, { "end_time": "1:32:07", "start_time": "1:32:07", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:32:12", "start_time": "1:32:07", "text": "I wouldn't train 5, 6 days a week like I do Riddick because Riddick will live like a monk." }, { "end_time": "1:32:14", "start_time": "1:32:12", "text": "Where John, he'd come in at 2 o'clock in the morning." }, { "end_time": "1:32:16", "start_time": "1:32:14", "text": "We're training at 6." }, { "end_time": "1:32:21", "start_time": "1:32:16", "text": "So odds we wouldn't be training that often, maybe like 4 times a week, 3 or 4 times a week." }, { "end_time": "1:32:23", "start_time": "1:32:21", "text": "But he would never moan, not once." }, { "end_time": "1:32:26", "start_time": "1:32:23", "text": "Even though he's on, like, 3 or 4 hours sleep, he wouldn't whinge." }, { "end_time": "1:32:27", "start_time": "1:32:26", "text": "I'd say, okay." }, { "end_time": "1:32:28", "start_time": "1:32:27", "text": "This is what we gotta do today." }, { "end_time": "1:32:29", "start_time": "1:32:28", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:32:32", "start_time": "1:32:29", "text": "You know, grab the £100 dumbbells." }, { "end_time": "1:32:32", "start_time": "1:32:32", "text": "Let's go." }, { "end_time": "1:32:33", "start_time": "1:32:32", "text": "Oh, yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:32:34", "start_time": "1:32:33", "text": "He's known to lift heavy." }, { "end_time": "1:32:35", "start_time": "1:32:34", "text": "He's very strong." }, { "end_time": "1:32:37", "start_time": "1:32:36", "text": "Very strong guy." }, { "end_time": "1:32:38", "start_time": "1:32:37", "text": "You know what Parsis are?" }, { "end_time": "1:32:41", "start_time": "1:32:38", "text": "Like, they're in they're in ethnicity from Iran." }, { "end_time": "1:32:42", "start_time": "1:32:42", "text": "Oh, yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:32:42", "start_time": "1:32:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:32:46", "start_time": "1:32:42", "text": "As in the Iranian, but they live in India because of historical reasons." }, { "end_time": "1:32:46", "start_time": "1:32:46", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:32:48", "start_time": "1:32:46", "text": "So, Parsis are strong dudes." }, { "end_time": "1:32:49", "start_time": "1:32:49", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:32:50", "start_time": "1:32:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:32:51", "start_time": "1:32:50", "text": "He seems like a naturally strong guy." }, { "end_time": "1:32:55", "start_time": "1:32:52", "text": "You know, he's got, like, just like a big frame." }, { "end_time": "1:32:55", "start_time": "1:32:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:32:56", "start_time": "1:32:56", "text": "Big frame." }, { "end_time": "1:32:58", "start_time": "1:32:56", "text": "So, you know, like, farmer strong, we call him." }, { "end_time": "1:33:01", "start_time": "1:32:59", "text": "Like, naturally, God gifted strength." }, { "end_time": "1:33:01", "start_time": "1:33:01", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:33:02", "start_time": "1:33:01", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "1:33:08", "start_time": "1:33:02", "text": "But, I mean, when a dude is that strong, as a trainer, I'm assuming that you load him up even with more weight." }, { "end_time": "1:33:14", "start_time": "1:33:08", "text": "So his high repetitions will be done with a much heavier dumbbell than, someone who doesn't have that kind of natural strength." }, { "end_time": "1:33:14", "start_time": "1:33:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:33:15", "start_time": "1:33:14", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "1:33:21", "start_time": "1:33:15", "text": "But sometimes they don't have the cardiovascular capacity or they don't have that much aerobic strength." }, { "end_time": "1:33:21", "start_time": "1:33:21", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:33:24", "start_time": "1:33:21", "text": "So let's say, you know, some people are very good with endurance." }, { "end_time": "1:33:27", "start_time": "1:33:24", "text": "They can do those reps with the weight longer." }, { "end_time": "1:33:34", "start_time": "1:33:28", "text": "With someone that's very, very strong, sometimes they stop very short because they've got a lot more anaerobic strength." }, { "end_time": "1:33:37", "start_time": "1:33:34", "text": "So it's it's all dependent on that person." }, { "end_time": "1:33:39", "start_time": "1:33:38", "text": "You know, luckily, I've got a bit of both." }, { "end_time": "1:33:41", "start_time": "1:33:39", "text": "That's why I'm able to do bodybuilding." }, { "end_time": "1:33:44", "start_time": "1:33:41", "text": "But if I wanna do an Ironman Triathlon, I can go do it." }, { "end_time": "1:33:49", "start_time": "1:33:45", "text": "Anything else that's very specific to training Jon Abraham, like, about his body?" }, { "end_time": "1:33:50", "start_time": "1:33:50", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:33:57", "start_time": "1:33:50", "text": "You know, other than you know, obviously, is is when it comes to the nutrition because he's pescatarian, I don't know if he still is." }, { "end_time": "1:33:57", "start_time": "1:33:57", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:34:00", "start_time": "1:33:57", "text": "Obviously, the the food variety is very limited." }, { "end_time": "1:34:01", "start_time": "1:34:01", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:34:10", "start_time": "1:34:01", "text": "Like, he'd eat a lot of eggs, a lot of egg whites, a lot of fish, you know, and depend on, you know, supplements such as protein powders a little bit more." }, { "end_time": "1:34:16", "start_time": "1:34:10", "text": "But other than that, no, there wasn't anything that really stuck out other than his dedication, very dedication." }, { "end_time": "1:34:19", "start_time": "1:34:16", "text": "Like, he's he would never miss a workout ever." }, { "end_time": "1:34:20", "start_time": "1:34:19", "text": "Would he miss a meal?" }, { "end_time": "1:34:21", "start_time": "1:34:20", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:34:26", "start_time": "1:34:21", "text": "You know, even though he'd be lacking on time and lacking on sleep, he'd still make it." }, { "end_time": "1:34:27", "start_time": "1:34:26", "text": "How do you make up for the lack of sleep?" }, { "end_time": "1:34:31", "start_time": "1:34:27", "text": "Because sleep, if done right, is the strongest supplement you can have." }, { "end_time": "1:34:32", "start_time": "1:34:31", "text": "Can't make up for it." }, { "end_time": "1:34:33", "start_time": "1:34:32", "text": "Can't make up for it." }, { "end_time": "1:34:34", "start_time": "1:34:33", "text": "Impossible." }, { "end_time": "1:34:39", "start_time": "1:34:34", "text": "Like, obviously, nutrition helps with the recovery, but sleep is number 1." }, { "end_time": "1:34:41", "start_time": "1:34:39", "text": "And everything falls into place after that." }, { "end_time": "1:34:45", "start_time": "1:34:41", "text": "A lot of people that I see that get injured is through lack of sleep." }, { "end_time": "1:34:45", "start_time": "1:34:45", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:34:49", "start_time": "1:34:45", "text": "The body is in a state of recovery when you're training it." }, { "end_time": "1:34:49", "start_time": "1:34:49", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:34:50", "start_time": "1:34:49", "text": "Something's gonna go wrong." }, { "end_time": "1:34:51", "start_time": "1:34:50", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:35:00", "start_time": "1:34:51", "text": "If you have something and especially with hydration, you know, you think of an elastic band when it perishes due to exposure, you know, you've got all it'll snap." }, { "end_time": "1:35:03", "start_time": "1:35:00", "text": "And that's what I see with, with people and their bodies all the time." }, { "end_time": "1:35:06", "start_time": "1:35:03", "text": "They get injured because they just haven't slept." }, { "end_time": "1:35:07", "start_time": "1:35:06", "text": "They're not hydrated." }, { "end_time": "1:35:08", "start_time": "1:35:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:35:12", "start_time": "1:35:08", "text": "I've I've been reading a lot of meditation research for the meditation app that we're building." }, { "end_time": "1:35:13", "start_time": "1:35:12", "text": "It's called Level." }, { "end_time": "1:35:18", "start_time": "1:35:13", "text": "And there were 2 things that stuck out for Level, and we're trying to actually incorporate these things into Level." }, { "end_time": "1:35:19", "start_time": "1:35:18", "text": "The first is yoga nidra." }, { "end_time": "1:35:20", "start_time": "1:35:19", "text": "Have you heard of this?" }, { "end_time": "1:35:20", "start_time": "1:35:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:35:21", "start_time": "1:35:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:35:23", "start_time": "1:35:21", "text": "And even human talks about yoga nidra." }, { "end_time": "1:35:31", "start_time": "1:35:23", "text": "And when he spoke about it, it kind of really got me thinking because this guy is all about peer reviewed studies, science based, etcetera, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "1:35:32", "start_time": "1:35:31", "text": "Have you ever tried yoga nidra?" }, { "end_time": "1:35:33", "start_time": "1:35:32", "text": "Oh, yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:35:33", "start_time": "1:35:33", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "1:35:38", "start_time": "1:35:33", "text": "You feel it actually so, I mean, I'd love for you again to explain what yoga nidra is from your perspective." }, { "end_time": "1:35:45", "start_time": "1:35:38", "text": "Well, from my perspective is that, you know, you're focusing on one nostril, you know, with your breath and the other nostril." }, { "end_time": "1:35:49", "start_time": "1:35:45", "text": "And what I found, especially when you're doing what do you call it, like, the fast breathing, what would you call it?" }, { "end_time": "1:35:51", "start_time": "1:35:49", "text": "Is it particularly named for you?" }, { "end_time": "1:35:51", "start_time": "1:35:51", "text": "The prana." }, { "end_time": "1:35:51", "start_time": "1:35:51", "text": "The prana." }, { "end_time": "1:35:52", "start_time": "1:35:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:35:54", "start_time": "1:35:52", "text": "Is that it's much like PNF stretching." }, { "end_time": "1:35:58", "start_time": "1:35:54", "text": "You know PNF stretching when you're pushing against that individual?" }, { "end_time": "1:36:01", "start_time": "1:35:58", "text": "They're pushing against you, and then they stretch a little bit further." }, { "end_time": "1:36:08", "start_time": "1:36:01", "text": "I found that with the yoga nidra niprana is that it really helps slow and deepen your breath." }, { "end_time": "1:36:08", "start_time": "1:36:08", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:36:10", "start_time": "1:36:08", "text": "So all of a sudden, everything feels calm." }, { "end_time": "1:36:12", "start_time": "1:36:10", "text": "You've got a calmer, deeper breath." }, { "end_time": "1:36:14", "start_time": "1:36:12", "text": "Everything slows down." }, { "end_time": "1:36:18", "start_time": "1:36:14", "text": "At the time when you're doing it, like, I remember the first time I did it with, my instructor." }, { "end_time": "1:36:19", "start_time": "1:36:18", "text": "I'm like, why am I doing this?" }, { "end_time": "1:36:20", "start_time": "1:36:19", "text": "This is stupid." }, { "end_time": "1:36:23", "start_time": "1:36:20", "text": "I just wanna focus on meditation and being chilled." }, { "end_time": "1:36:27", "start_time": "1:36:23", "text": "But then I after, like, literally a minute of doing it, I'm like, okay." }, { "end_time": "1:36:28", "start_time": "1:36:27", "text": "Now I understand it." }, { "end_time": "1:36:34", "start_time": "1:36:29", "text": "I'm feeling more relaxed now, more of in a, like, a subconscious state." }, { "end_time": "1:36:39", "start_time": "1:36:34", "text": "I feel like the world overall is just going to gravitate towards meditation for the next 10 years." }, { "end_time": "1:36:45", "start_time": "1:36:39", "text": "And one of the other things that has been of benefit for me and, my clients as well is cold therapy." }, { "end_time": "1:36:51", "start_time": "1:36:46", "text": "Like, every single day, I'll do an ice bath for 3 minutes in the morning, and I'll do 1 minute in the evening." }, { "end_time": "1:37:04", "start_time": "1:36:51", "text": "And I don't know if you know that, you know, it helps tone your vagal nerve that takes you from that sympathetic into your parasympathetic state, you know, as long as you've got your neck or your thyroid submerged under under the water." }, { "end_time": "1:37:10", "start_time": "1:37:05", "text": "So, you know, I'm trying to do that in the hotel that I'm at at the moment, but I'm really fit in the in the bathtub properly." }, { "end_time": "1:37:12", "start_time": "1:37:10", "text": "But I'm trying it." }, { "end_time": "1:37:21", "start_time": "1:37:12", "text": "But that is something that has really, really helped me from a mental perspective because it helps stabilize my mood, and, also, it stabilizes your blood sugar levels as well." }, { "end_time": "1:37:25", "start_time": "1:37:21", "text": "So I, you know, I measure my blood sugar, with everything that I eat." }, { "end_time": "1:37:30", "start_time": "1:37:25", "text": "And if I do the ice bath in the morning, my blood sugar levels are so much more stable as well." }, { "end_time": "1:37:35", "start_time": "1:37:30", "text": "So less irregularities, less energy troughs, less cravings, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "1:37:36", "start_time": "1:37:35", "text": "There's so many benefits to it." }, { "end_time": "1:37:38", "start_time": "1:37:37", "text": "Why do you think it just hits that one nerve?" }, { "end_time": "1:37:40", "start_time": "1:37:38", "text": "I'm sure it hits other nerves, but Oh, yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:37:41", "start_time": "1:37:40", "text": "It's has a deeper effect." }, { "end_time": "1:37:51", "start_time": "1:37:41", "text": "All your nodes in your body, of course, your excitatory parts of of your body, but also the the neck as well is where the vagal nerve is." }, { "end_time": "1:37:57", "start_time": "1:37:51", "text": "And if you con if you contrast that with hot and cold therapy so I always start with sauna." }, { "end_time": "1:38:00", "start_time": "1:37:57", "text": "I always finish with cold, but definitely finish with the cold." }, { "end_time": "1:38:05", "start_time": "1:38:00", "text": "It helps tone that area so it can balance the mood so much easier." }, { "end_time": "1:38:11", "start_time": "1:38:05", "text": "If it isn't toned, then it's gonna sway one way or the other, much like, you know, you'll see people that are, like, bipolar." }, { "end_time": "1:38:12", "start_time": "1:38:11", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:38:21", "start_time": "1:38:12", "text": "They're completely different one to the other, but we have more subtle versions of that within ourselves on day to day basis, especially with the environment that we live in today." }, { "end_time": "1:38:21", "start_time": "1:38:21", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:38:36", "start_time": "1:38:21", "text": "So I think ice therapy is gonna become more and more popular as, you know, we're definitely having more science with Wim Hof having so much tests so many tests put on himself on how it can help balance the mood, how it can improve the immune response as well." }, { "end_time": "1:38:45", "start_time": "1:38:36", "text": "Like, he got injected and some of his, workers with E coli and is able to reject it through ice and breath." }, { "end_time": "1:38:46", "start_time": "1:38:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:38:47", "start_time": "1:38:46", "text": "Like breath work as well." }, { "end_time": "1:38:48", "start_time": "1:38:47", "text": "Immunity was really high." }, { "end_time": "1:38:48", "start_time": "1:38:48", "text": "Oh, yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:38:49", "start_time": "1:38:48", "text": "Unbelievable." }, { "end_time": "1:38:50", "start_time": "1:38:49", "text": "You know, it's phenomenal." }, { "end_time": "1:38:53", "start_time": "1:38:50", "text": "And they thought, well, is he just, you know, is it just Wim?" }, { "end_time": "1:38:58", "start_time": "1:38:53", "text": "But, no, they did it on, his his, his teachers as well." }, { "end_time": "1:39:05", "start_time": "1:38:58", "text": "He's a perfect example of someone who's taken from ancient Indian culture and brought it to the west, and he's making himself an example for the west to study." }, { "end_time": "1:39:06", "start_time": "1:39:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:39:12", "start_time": "1:39:06", "text": "When they talk about Indian, like, Rishis who went to the Himalayas, they did things like this." }, { "end_time": "1:39:15", "start_time": "1:39:12", "text": "There are certain Kriyas which are supposed to do in cold water, ice." }, { "end_time": "1:39:16", "start_time": "1:39:15", "text": "I don't know the Kriyas myself." }, { "end_time": "1:39:16", "start_time": "1:39:16", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:39:17", "start_time": "1:39:16", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "1:39:23", "start_time": "1:39:17", "text": "And like the Russians, they even used to put their babies outside in the winter." }, { "end_time": "1:39:26", "start_time": "1:39:23", "text": "You know, they'd put them in the carts, but there's pictures of this online." }, { "end_time": "1:39:33", "start_time": "1:39:26", "text": "You'll find it, like, in the 19 thirties because they they truly believed that it helped with their immune response as they got older." }, { "end_time": "1:39:33", "start_time": "1:39:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:39:38", "start_time": "1:39:34", "text": "Probably, I mean, it might be some version of you getting used to the cold as you grow up or For sure." }, { "end_time": "1:39:39", "start_time": "1:39:38", "text": "As you grow older." }, { "end_time": "1:39:40", "start_time": "1:39:39", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "1:39:40", "start_time": "1:39:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:39:44", "start_time": "1:39:40", "text": "That's probably why I sweat all the time because I'm so used to cold now." }, { "end_time": "1:39:49", "start_time": "1:39:44", "text": "I think Wim Hof says that, if you don't go to the cold, the cold will come to you." }, { "end_time": "1:39:50", "start_time": "1:39:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:39:50", "start_time": "1:39:50", "text": "That's true." }, { "end_time": "1:39:53", "start_time": "1:39:50", "text": "Like, sickness will, like, come to you or you'll feel cold." }, { "end_time": "1:39:58", "start_time": "1:39:53", "text": "But dealing with cold on a regular basis definitely has its long term benefits, man." }, { "end_time": "1:39:58", "start_time": "1:39:58", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "1:40:00", "start_time": "1:39:58", "text": "In every aspect of your life." }, { "end_time": "1:40:03", "start_time": "1:40:00", "text": "And I think, you know, we've become a culture that's very soft now." }, { "end_time": "1:40:06", "start_time": "1:40:03", "text": "And we always seek comfort, yet we're getting sicker." }, { "end_time": "1:40:14", "start_time": "1:40:06", "text": "We're dying earlier for more complications, yet we've become the most comfortable generation ever." }, { "end_time": "1:40:15", "start_time": "1:40:14", "text": "So what's going wrong?" }, { "end_time": "1:40:17", "start_time": "1:40:15", "text": "Well, we're not getting comfortable being uncomfortable." }, { "end_time": "1:40:26", "start_time": "1:40:18", "text": "So we need to seek the discomfort, whether that be working out, whether it be cold, hot therapy, making sure that we are not hitting the snooze button." }, { "end_time": "1:40:28", "start_time": "1:40:26", "text": "If it's raining outside, the monsoons, go out for a run." }, { "end_time": "1:40:29", "start_time": "1:40:28", "text": "Your skin's waterproof." }, { "end_time": "1:40:30", "start_time": "1:40:30", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:40:31", "start_time": "1:40:30", "text": "You'll get through it." }, { "end_time": "1:40:35", "start_time": "1:40:31", "text": "So, I think, you know, we've just become a culture of, like, we want it delivered now." }, { "end_time": "1:40:37", "start_time": "1:40:35", "text": "We want the Wi Fi to be quicker." }, { "end_time": "1:40:39", "start_time": "1:40:37", "text": "We want to avoid the traffic." }, { "end_time": "1:40:42", "start_time": "1:40:39", "text": "We want the AC on, and we wanna seek comfort." }, { "end_time": "1:40:47", "start_time": "1:40:42", "text": "But, you know, we need to get more uncomfortable much like our ancestors did." }, { "end_time": "1:40:47", "start_time": "1:40:47", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:40:48", "start_time": "1:40:47", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "1:40:51", "start_time": "1:40:48", "text": "I I I would like to believe that the world is going in that direction." }, { "end_time": "1:40:51", "start_time": "1:40:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:41:01", "start_time": "1:40:52", "text": "For the final section of this particular episode, mister Gethin, everyone's been waiting for your diet breakdowns on this one." }, { "end_time": "1:41:03", "start_time": "1:41:02", "text": "You've trained Hrithik Roshan." }, { "end_time": "1:41:04", "start_time": "1:41:03", "text": "You've trained John Abraham." }, { "end_time": "1:41:06", "start_time": "1:41:04", "text": "I'm sure you've trained many more Bollywood stars." }, { "end_time": "1:41:07", "start_time": "1:41:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:41:09", "start_time": "1:41:08", "text": "Let's specifically talk about these 2." }, { "end_time": "1:41:16", "start_time": "1:41:09", "text": "When you're helping someone put on muscle, is there a mathematical formula you follow?" }, { "end_time": "1:41:19", "start_time": "1:41:16", "text": "Like, do you go for x grams of protein per kilogram of body weight?" }, { "end_time": "1:41:24", "start_time": "1:41:19", "text": "Is it nuanced based on, you know, the the particular person?" }, { "end_time": "1:41:26", "start_time": "1:41:24", "text": "Where do carbs come in?" }, { "end_time": "1:41:27", "start_time": "1:41:26", "text": "What's your take on fat?" }, { "end_time": "1:41:29", "start_time": "1:41:27", "text": "You can go as scientific as you wanna go." }, { "end_time": "1:41:34", "start_time": "1:41:30", "text": "The audience kind of knows the basics, but at the same time, we'll we'll cover everything." }, { "end_time": "1:41:35", "start_time": "1:41:34", "text": "We'll cover the basics." }, { "end_time": "1:41:36", "start_time": "1:41:35", "text": "We'll cover the advanced stuff as well." }, { "end_time": "1:41:36", "start_time": "1:41:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:41:39", "start_time": "1:41:36", "text": "It's it's not really that, advanced, to be honest." }, { "end_time": "1:41:40", "start_time": "1:41:39", "text": "It's very it's very simple." }, { "end_time": "1:41:42", "start_time": "1:41:41", "text": "I try not to overcomplicate things." }, { "end_time": "1:41:48", "start_time": "1:41:42", "text": "I think when you've got more variables that can go wrong, then, you know, you're you're looking for trouble." }, { "end_time": "1:41:50", "start_time": "1:41:48", "text": "So I try to keep it very, very simple." }, { "end_time": "1:41:56", "start_time": "1:41:50", "text": "So as an example, we'll talk about Riddick now because I'm I'm working with him right now, and I can remember everything." }, { "end_time": "1:42:00", "start_time": "1:41:56", "text": "I can recall is that I recently had him on, like, 4,800 calories." }, { "end_time": "1:42:01", "start_time": "1:42:01", "text": "What?" }, { "end_time": "1:42:02", "start_time": "1:42:01", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:42:03", "start_time": "1:42:02", "text": "4,800 calories." }, { "end_time": "1:42:06", "start_time": "1:42:03", "text": "Because when I first saw him now, I was like, okay." }, { "end_time": "1:42:09", "start_time": "1:42:06", "text": "You need to get in shape, but you have no muscle on your frame." }, { "end_time": "1:42:10", "start_time": "1:42:09", "text": "He hasn't been training." }, { "end_time": "1:42:20", "start_time": "1:42:11", "text": "So I really need even though I wanted to diet him down immediately because he's holding so much body fat, we had no choice but, you know, go into a mass building phase." }, { "end_time": "1:42:24", "start_time": "1:42:21", "text": "So he was eating a lot of clean calories." }, { "end_time": "1:42:27", "start_time": "1:42:24", "text": "The only fats that he was having was several egg yolks." }, { "end_time": "1:42:35", "start_time": "1:42:28", "text": "He'd have, 2 tablespoons of olive oil, and he would have, naturally occurring fats." }, { "end_time": "1:42:40", "start_time": "1:42:35", "text": "I'd have him to supplement with a tablespoon of, EPA and DHEAs as well." }, { "end_time": "1:42:43", "start_time": "1:42:40", "text": "But everything was just everything else is coming in the form of protein and carbohydrates." }, { "end_time": "1:42:51", "start_time": "1:42:44", "text": "You know, your typical chicken, you know, poultry, your meat, your fish, your protein powder, That's his protein sources." }, { "end_time": "1:42:55", "start_time": "1:42:51", "text": "And then the carbohydrates coming from rice, there's some roti in there." }, { "end_time": "1:42:58", "start_time": "1:42:55", "text": "There was, a lot of a lot of potato, oats." }, { "end_time": "1:42:59", "start_time": "1:42:59", "text": "And that was it." }, { "end_time": "1:43:00", "start_time": "1:42:59", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:43:03", "start_time": "1:43:00", "text": "It was split into 6 meals and a shake every single day." }, { "end_time": "1:43:11", "start_time": "1:43:03", "text": "Now his carbohydrates were higher on his training days than his nontraining days and are even higher on chest day." }, { "end_time": "1:43:14", "start_time": "1:43:11", "text": "So I'm really trying to bring up that, weakness at the moment." }, { "end_time": "1:43:21", "start_time": "1:43:14", "text": "Isn't allowed to eat for a good 90 minutes before bed, but his goal is to eat immediately upon wakening." }, { "end_time": "1:43:22", "start_time": "1:43:21", "text": "Gotcha." }, { "end_time": "1:43:25", "start_time": "1:43:22", "text": "So, that's the goal because, obviously, he's fasted for a duration." }, { "end_time": "1:43:31", "start_time": "1:43:25", "text": "I need to take him out of cannibalism and put him into cannibalism by having food as soon as possible." }, { "end_time": "1:43:37", "start_time": "1:43:31", "text": "And then drinking about a gallon of water a day, a lot of people don't perform, not because of nutrition." }, { "end_time": "1:43:38", "start_time": "1:43:37", "text": "It's because of hydration." }, { "end_time": "1:43:45", "start_time": "1:43:39", "text": "And, unfortunately, a lot of people wait until they're thirsty, which is probably a signal for dehydration until they drink." }, { "end_time": "1:43:52", "start_time": "1:43:45", "text": "And, you know, if your body's made up of about 7% fluid and you're dehydrated by, say, 3%, you could be down in productivity by about 20%." }, { "end_time": "1:43:56", "start_time": "1:43:53", "text": "So it's very important to stay hydrated as well." }, { "end_time": "1:43:57", "start_time": "1:43:56", "text": "So, you know, that's a perspective." }, { "end_time": "1:44:14", "start_time": "1:43:57", "text": "And, you know, we'll take digestive enzymes, maybe some apple cider vinegar, some pineapple as well with those meals to help with the breakdown, insulin response to them, maybe a little bit of activity after certain meals whenever he can get the activity in because he's he's a busy guy." }, { "end_time": "1:44:16", "start_time": "1:44:14", "text": "But that's kinda what it looks like." }, { "end_time": "1:44:17", "start_time": "1:44:16", "text": "By activity, you mean like a walk or a jog?" }, { "end_time": "1:44:18", "start_time": "1:44:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:44:19", "start_time": "1:44:18", "text": "It could be, like, 10 minute walk." }, { "end_time": "1:44:21", "start_time": "1:44:19", "text": "It could be you know, a lot of the time, I'll say, okay." }, { "end_time": "1:44:25", "start_time": "1:44:21", "text": "Wherever you are, if you're in your trailer, I want you to stand up and sit down 50 times." }, { "end_time": "1:44:26", "start_time": "1:44:26", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:44:31", "start_time": "1:44:26", "text": "If you're on if you're on a plane, you go to the toilet, and then you go and stand up and sit down, do some toilet squats." }, { "end_time": "1:44:32", "start_time": "1:44:31", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:44:32", "start_time": "1:44:32", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "1:44:34", "start_time": "1:44:32", "text": "Just to get the body activated." }, { "end_time": "1:44:40", "start_time": "1:44:34", "text": "To get the body moving and help with the blood sugar response after having a meal of that bit size because he's eating big meals." }, { "end_time": "1:44:43", "start_time": "1:44:41", "text": "But now we've gone into the fat burning phase." }, { "end_time": "1:44:52", "start_time": "1:44:43", "text": "So, those it's come down to about 2,800 calories now, and it'll come it'll continue to come down now dependent on how much weight." }, { "end_time": "1:44:52", "start_time": "1:44:52", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:44:55", "start_time": "1:44:52", "text": "He's he's still losing weight on that, so I'm not gonna change it." }, { "end_time": "1:44:57", "start_time": "1:44:55", "text": "I only make changes when we plateau." }, { "end_time": "1:44:58", "start_time": "1:44:58", "text": "Gotcha." }, { "end_time": "1:45:06", "start_time": "1:44:59", "text": "Is there, like, an x number of grams of protein that, you stick to in your bulk and your cut?" }, { "end_time": "1:45:06", "start_time": "1:45:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:45:06", "start_time": "1:45:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:45:10", "start_time": "1:45:06", "text": "It could be as high as, like, 1.5 grams of protein." }, { "end_time": "1:45:11", "start_time": "1:45:10", "text": "Per per kilogram?" }, { "end_time": "1:45:13", "start_time": "1:45:12", "text": "Per pound of body weight." }, { "end_time": "1:45:13", "start_time": "1:45:13", "text": "Per pound." }, { "end_time": "1:45:14", "start_time": "1:45:13", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:45:15", "start_time": "1:45:14", "text": "Per pound of body weight." }, { "end_time": "1:45:16", "start_time": "1:45:15", "text": "I can't remember the kilos now." }, { "end_time": "1:45:17", "start_time": "1:45:16", "text": "It's been a long time." }, { "end_time": "1:45:26", "start_time": "1:45:18", "text": "And, then I'll probably come down to about 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight as we're getting into the shredding phase more." }, { "end_time": "1:45:26", "start_time": "1:45:26", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:45:28", "start_time": "1:45:27", "text": "Just to retain." }, { "end_time": "1:45:28", "start_time": "1:45:28", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:45:34", "start_time": "1:45:28", "text": "I think the assumption earlier used to be that when you're shredding, you have, like, higher levels of protein to prevent muscle loss." }, { "end_time": "1:45:35", "start_time": "1:45:34", "text": "Has that changed lately?" }, { "end_time": "1:45:36", "start_time": "1:45:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:45:37", "start_time": "1:45:36", "text": "I always go come lower." }, { "end_time": "1:45:38", "start_time": "1:45:37", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:45:38", "start_time": "1:45:38", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:45:40", "start_time": "1:45:38", "text": "Carbohydrates are protein sparing." }, { "end_time": "1:45:41", "start_time": "1:45:40", "text": "That's true." }, { "end_time": "1:45:45", "start_time": "1:45:41", "text": "But, you know, I if you're taking in too much protein, that can still lead to fats." }, { "end_time": "1:45:46", "start_time": "1:45:46", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:45:46", "start_time": "1:45:46", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:45:49", "start_time": "1:45:46", "text": "A lot of people think it's just protein and carbs." }, { "end_time": "1:45:54", "start_time": "1:45:49", "text": "But when we get into, you know, single digit body fat levels, you have to cut everything." }, { "end_time": "1:45:55", "start_time": "1:45:54", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:45:55", "start_time": "1:45:55", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:45:57", "start_time": "1:45:55", "text": "How do you know if it's too much protein?" }, { "end_time": "1:46:00", "start_time": "1:45:58", "text": "You know, I'll I'll just know that their body's plateauing." }, { "end_time": "1:46:04", "start_time": "1:46:00", "text": "They're just not able to utilize, you know, lose the body fat." }, { "end_time": "1:46:05", "start_time": "1:46:04", "text": "Like, that's visual for you." }, { "end_time": "1:46:06", "start_time": "1:46:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:46:07", "start_time": "1:46:06", "text": "So everything's visual for me." }, { "end_time": "1:46:08", "start_time": "1:46:07", "text": "I take pictures every week." }, { "end_time": "1:46:09", "start_time": "1:46:08", "text": "Gotcha." }, { "end_time": "1:46:12", "start_time": "1:46:09", "text": "But I look at him every day just to make sure I can see everything's going in the right direction." }, { "end_time": "1:46:15", "start_time": "1:46:12", "text": "The weaknesses are continuing to strengths." }, { "end_time": "1:46:17", "start_time": "1:46:15", "text": "But I've got a quite a good eye." }, { "end_time": "1:46:17", "start_time": "1:46:17", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:46:22", "start_time": "1:46:17", "text": "I used to be a judge at bodybuilding shows as well, and I was always very, very critical of myself." }, { "end_time": "1:46:22", "start_time": "1:46:22", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:46:27", "start_time": "1:46:22", "text": "People always look at themselves in their favorite lighting, in the best mirror, look at the best body parts." }, { "end_time": "1:46:30", "start_time": "1:46:27", "text": "I always like to look at the worst body parts in the worst lighting." }, { "end_time": "1:46:33", "start_time": "1:46:30", "text": "And when that is impressive, then you know you've got something." }, { "end_time": "1:46:34", "start_time": "1:46:33", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:46:40", "start_time": "1:46:34", "text": "It's like, you know, when I used to compete in shows, my goal was not to impress the people, you know, the judges at the front." }, { "end_time": "1:46:45", "start_time": "1:46:40", "text": "The person that was just coming in from the back of the auditorium, I wanted to impress that person." }, { "end_time": "1:46:46", "start_time": "1:46:45", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:46:55", "start_time": "1:46:47", "text": "In terms of, like, the worst food that you can possibly put in your body in a phase like this, would you say it's like processed food and sugar?" }, { "end_time": "1:46:56", "start_time": "1:46:55", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "1:46:58", "start_time": "1:46:56", "text": "Sugar, yeah, is terrible for longevity anyway." }, { "end_time": "1:46:59", "start_time": "1:46:58", "text": "It's in in inflammatory." }, { "end_time": "1:47:09", "start_time": "1:47:00", "text": "And, anything that is deep fried because a lot of the fruit is fried in, you know, refined seed oils, canola oil, things like that, soybean oil." }, { "end_time": "1:47:10", "start_time": "1:47:09", "text": "So that's very pro inflammatory." }, { "end_time": "1:47:18", "start_time": "1:47:10", "text": "We try to stay away from a lot of the omega sixes and go for more of the anti inflammatory omega 3 foods." }, { "end_time": "1:47:24", "start_time": "1:47:18", "text": "You know, so if it's grilled, if it's, like, just pan fried with some olive oil, that's absolutely fine." }, { "end_time": "1:47:28", "start_time": "1:47:24", "text": "But when you're going for the deep fried, yeah, you need to stay away from that." }, { "end_time": "1:47:33", "start_time": "1:47:28", "text": "And a lot of the creamy foods that you get here in India, I know the foods taste absolutely awesome." }, { "end_time": "1:47:38", "start_time": "1:47:33", "text": "But I'm testing a lot of these foods now as well in my blood glucose monitor, seeing the response." }, { "end_time": "1:47:40", "start_time": "1:47:38", "text": "A lot of it is carb laden." }, { "end_time": "1:47:41", "start_time": "1:47:40", "text": "Do you mean, like, gravies?" }, { "end_time": "1:47:44", "start_time": "1:47:42", "text": "But and, yeah, like, yeah, creamy gravies." }, { "end_time": "1:47:45", "start_time": "1:47:44", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:47:48", "start_time": "1:47:45", "text": "If it's a lighter sauce and it's not as much calories, then great." }, { "end_time": "1:47:48", "start_time": "1:47:48", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:47:57", "start_time": "1:47:48", "text": "Like, Riddick chef has learned to do some phenomenal sauces just with spinach and put some kimchi in there, a little bit of avocado, whatever." }, { "end_time": "1:48:02", "start_time": "1:47:58", "text": "And the final key question in this entire podcast, what about supplementation?" }, { "end_time": "1:48:08", "start_time": "1:48:03", "text": "When it comes to Bollywood, we had Basu Jankar, who's the coach of the Indian cricket team." }, { "end_time": "1:48:14", "start_time": "1:48:08", "text": "So he's the, you know, all all about sports science, and he spoke about the importance of creatine for athletes." }, { "end_time": "1:48:16", "start_time": "1:48:14", "text": "I supplement a lot of creatine." }, { "end_time": "1:48:19", "start_time": "1:48:16", "text": "I feel it just changes the shape of my body, my performance in the gym." }, { "end_time": "1:48:21", "start_time": "1:48:19", "text": "Therefore, the shape of my body even more." }, { "end_time": "1:48:25", "start_time": "1:48:21", "text": "I am assuming that you administer creatine to your clients." }, { "end_time": "1:48:25", "start_time": "1:48:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:48:26", "start_time": "1:48:25", "text": "Creatine for sure." }, { "end_time": "1:48:30", "start_time": "1:48:26", "text": "It's the most studied amino acid out of all the amino acids for its purity, safety, and performance." }, { "end_time": "1:48:34", "start_time": "1:48:31", "text": "So, yeah, for sure, you know, that's a supplement that I get my clients on." }, { "end_time": "1:48:40", "start_time": "1:48:34", "text": "But, again, you have some people that are responders and that can take the creatine molecule, the size of the particle." }, { "end_time": "1:48:42", "start_time": "1:48:40", "text": "Some people can't." }, { "end_time": "1:48:44", "start_time": "1:48:42", "text": "So then you have to look at this the type of the creatine." }, { "end_time": "1:48:54", "start_time": "1:48:44", "text": "So, if they can't take a monohydrate, which majority of people can, that's the most studied one, They'll have to take a like a micronized HCL, type of creatine." }, { "end_time": "1:48:58", "start_time": "1:48:54", "text": "So everybody's different on the type of creatine that they'd respond to as well." }, { "end_time": "1:49:07", "start_time": "1:48:58", "text": "But creatine, yeah, the basics, you know, the protein powders, the glutamine, the multivitamins, but then you go down the rabbit hole based on their blood work." }, { "end_time": "1:49:10", "start_time": "1:49:07", "text": "Maybe they need glutathione, especially after the age of 40." }, { "end_time": "1:49:13", "start_time": "1:49:10", "text": "Maybe they need more NMN, especially after the age of 40." }, { "end_time": "1:49:22", "start_time": "1:49:13", "text": "If they're low in b 12, maybe they don't absorb vitamin d through the sun, so they have to go very high when it comes to the vitamin d and k 2 supplementation." }, { "end_time": "1:49:23", "start_time": "1:49:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:49:26", "start_time": "1:49:23", "text": "I think this is the kind of breakdown for another whole episode." }, { "end_time": "1:49:29", "start_time": "1:49:26", "text": "Maybe you could go down a rabbit hole of supplementation." }, { "end_time": "1:49:37", "start_time": "1:49:29", "text": "Maybe in this one, we won't really talk much about the supplements because what I've assumed is that it's different depending on the person's blood work." }, { "end_time": "1:49:38", "start_time": "1:49:37", "text": "Body's different." }, { "end_time": "1:49:39", "start_time": "1:49:38", "text": "Everyone's different." }, { "end_time": "1:49:39", "start_time": "1:49:39", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:49:40", "start_time": "1:49:39", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:49:43", "start_time": "1:49:40", "text": "You know, I like to look at the blood work first before saying okay." }, { "end_time": "1:49:47", "start_time": "1:49:43", "text": "Because the thing is all supplements have got a health responsibility to them." }, { "end_time": "1:49:48", "start_time": "1:49:47", "text": "You take them all, you'll probably die." }, { "end_time": "1:49:49", "start_time": "1:49:49", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:49:50", "start_time": "1:49:49", "text": "So you have to look at it logically." }, { "end_time": "1:49:51", "start_time": "1:49:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:49:56", "start_time": "1:49:52", "text": "What about protein shakes, plant protein versus whey protein versus isolates?" }, { "end_time": "1:49:59", "start_time": "1:49:56", "text": "Do you do you acknowledge plant protein?" }, { "end_time": "1:49:59", "start_time": "1:49:59", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "1:50:01", "start_time": "1:49:59", "text": "Do you think you think it works well?" }, { "end_time": "1:50:02", "start_time": "1:50:01", "text": "My own brand has a plant protein." }, { "end_time": "1:50:03", "start_time": "1:50:02", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:50:06", "start_time": "1:50:03", "text": "So with plant protein, pea protein is gonna be the most bioavailable." }, { "end_time": "1:50:11", "start_time": "1:50:07", "text": "However, they still have plant defense mechanisms called lectins." }, { "end_time": "1:50:19", "start_time": "1:50:11", "text": "So it's very important that you have a digestive enzyme to help break that down and increase the surface space of that peptide." }, { "end_time": "1:50:20", "start_time": "1:50:20", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:50:22", "start_time": "1:50:20", "text": "So your body can absorb it that much easier." }, { "end_time": "1:50:26", "start_time": "1:50:22", "text": "But if you do have that, then it will have a a positive effect." }, { "end_time": "1:50:32", "start_time": "1:50:27", "text": "So do plant proteins, like, do they usually get manufactured with that enzyme inbuilt?" }, { "end_time": "1:50:33", "start_time": "1:50:32", "text": "You no." }, { "end_time": "1:50:34", "start_time": "1:50:33", "text": "They don't always." }, { "end_time": "1:50:35", "start_time": "1:50:34", "text": "You'd have to add that to it." }, { "end_time": "1:50:36", "start_time": "1:50:35", "text": "What's the enzyme called?" }, { "end_time": "1:50:38", "start_time": "1:50:37", "text": "Pro there's 2 enzymes." }, { "end_time": "1:50:45", "start_time": "1:50:39", "text": "The the main one for plant based is called IOA, IOA, IOA technology, basically." }, { "end_time": "1:50:54", "start_time": "1:50:46", "text": "And then the other one, which is usually more so, but it can be used in plant protein, but usually, more so in whey proteins is called prohydrolyze." }, { "end_time": "1:51:01", "start_time": "1:50:55", "text": "And that's an enzyme that'll help down help break down the isolate into a smaller fraction to be absorbed easier." }, { "end_time": "1:51:02", "start_time": "1:51:02", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:51:13", "start_time": "1:51:03", "text": "And speaking about whey protein in general, do you do you feel like whey protein has a better effect on human bodies than plant protein, or is it again subjective based on the person?" }, { "end_time": "1:51:16", "start_time": "1:51:14", "text": "Subject based on the person, especially of their background." }, { "end_time": "1:51:21", "start_time": "1:51:16", "text": "If they wanna go for something that's plant based, they don't want to have dairy or anything like that." }, { "end_time": "1:51:27", "start_time": "1:51:22", "text": "I personally think whey is better, but I don't have a pro like, I take the plant protein." }, { "end_time": "1:51:28", "start_time": "1:51:27", "text": "I love it." }, { "end_time": "1:51:33", "start_time": "1:51:29", "text": "But I think whey protein is gonna have a better response, a better anabolic response." }, { "end_time": "1:51:33", "start_time": "1:51:33", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:51:36", "start_time": "1:51:33", "text": "It's got the complete essential amino acid profile." }, { "end_time": "1:51:39", "start_time": "1:51:38", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:51:44", "start_time": "1:51:39", "text": "But you can add extra leucine to a plant based protein to make it a little bit more anabolic as well." }, { "end_time": "1:51:47", "start_time": "1:51:44", "text": "Have you noticed whey protein causing skin issues with people?" }, { "end_time": "1:51:49", "start_time": "1:51:47", "text": "Like, I see that with a lot of Indian guys." }, { "end_time": "1:51:59", "start_time": "1:51:49", "text": "I don't know now whether it is some Indian genetics angle here, but a lot of my friends deal with everything from pimples to bloating to some sort of rashes because of whey protein." }, { "end_time": "1:52:04", "start_time": "1:51:59", "text": "Do you think it's because of using lower quality whey proteins, or is it probably because of their subjective response to dairy?" }, { "end_time": "1:52:11", "start_time": "1:52:05", "text": "It could be both subject to their response to dairy, but I'd say it's probably the quality of the protein more than anything." }, { "end_time": "1:52:17", "start_time": "1:52:12", "text": "You know, like, I know people that take and isolate that are cystic fibrosis sufferers." }, { "end_time": "1:52:20", "start_time": "1:52:17", "text": "So they have an allergen towards a lot of proteins." }, { "end_time": "1:52:29", "start_time": "1:52:20", "text": "But if they take one that's of high premium grade, it's non GMO, it's got less than 1 gram of lactose, they're usually absolutely fine." }, { "end_time": "1:52:30", "start_time": "1:52:30", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:52:32", "start_time": "1:52:30", "text": "So I always tell people as well, look." }, { "end_time": "1:52:34", "start_time": "1:52:32", "text": "Go get a gut microbiome test." }, { "end_time": "1:52:36", "start_time": "1:52:34", "text": "There's a company called Viome that does it." }, { "end_time": "1:52:38", "start_time": "1:52:36", "text": "There's a lot of companies out there." }, { "end_time": "1:52:45", "start_time": "1:52:38", "text": "And see if your body is, like has a lot of histamine or there's some sort of sensitivity that you have to a particular food." }, { "end_time": "1:52:52", "start_time": "1:52:45", "text": "And maybe you have to do an elimination process during for a while and then maybe fix the leaky gut syndrome that you have." }, { "end_time": "1:52:55", "start_time": "1:52:52", "text": "A lot of people will eliminate a food and go, okay." }, { "end_time": "1:52:56", "start_time": "1:52:55", "text": "I feel good now." }, { "end_time": "1:53:04", "start_time": "1:52:56", "text": "And then they try to introduce it again in 6 months' time, but they don't really understand the negative side effects, you have to heal the gut microbiome." }, { "end_time": "1:53:13", "start_time": "1:53:04", "text": "Let's say if you've done antibiotics or you've had pro inflammatory foods, processed foods, all of this is gonna upset the gut microbiome, and you're gonna cause gut dysbiosis." }, { "end_time": "1:53:14", "start_time": "1:53:14", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:53:17", "start_time": "1:53:14", "text": "So then you need to fix it and then introduce it again." }, { "end_time": "1:53:19", "start_time": "1:53:19", "text": "Woah." }, { "end_time": "1:53:19", "start_time": "1:53:19", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:53:23", "start_time": "1:53:19", "text": "Again, this is one of those things we gotta break down on a whole other episode, man." }, { "end_time": "1:53:30", "start_time": "1:53:23", "text": "And, knowing you as a person now, I feel like you're a learner, you're a researcher, and you're an explorer of life." }, { "end_time": "1:53:33", "start_time": "1:53:30", "text": "Like, you do all sorts of things even outside of the world of health." }, { "end_time": "1:53:36", "start_time": "1:53:33", "text": "So I'm just looking forward to, like, meeting you again, Chris." }, { "end_time": "1:53:38", "start_time": "1:53:36", "text": "But what's next for you?" }, { "end_time": "1:53:40", "start_time": "1:53:38", "text": "Like, in life, what's happening this year?" }, { "end_time": "1:53:42", "start_time": "1:53:41", "text": "This year." }, { "end_time": "1:53:42", "start_time": "1:53:42", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:53:47", "start_time": "1:53:42", "text": "Well so for me, personally, with my own training, I've actually got back into bodybuilding." }, { "end_time": "1:53:52", "start_time": "1:53:48", "text": "I've kinda stepped away from it and got into hybrid athleticism and then with the injuries." }, { "end_time": "1:53:57", "start_time": "1:53:52", "text": "But I'm gonna be guest posing, on a bodybuilding stage next year." }, { "end_time": "1:54:14", "start_time": "1:53:57", "text": "So we're going to document that process of, again, muscle kinda like the video trainers that I've done before, but this will have, a different approach on how to do it in your late forties, fifties, and how to avoid injuries, and how to do it from an antiaging perspective to try to reverse your biological age." }, { "end_time": "1:54:20", "start_time": "1:54:14", "text": "And then the end goal will be me guest posing, on on on the stage." }, { "end_time": "1:54:27", "start_time": "1:54:20", "text": "And I haven't guest posed since 2009, so that's gonna be quite exciting, See what the body can do at at 48 now." }, { "end_time": "1:54:31", "start_time": "1:54:27", "text": "And, then, you know, we're we're opening 2 more gyms here in India." }, { "end_time": "1:54:36", "start_time": "1:54:31", "text": "You know, we got the myself and Jack have the the gym franchise, Chris Getton Gyms." }, { "end_time": "1:54:39", "start_time": "1:54:36", "text": "We're opening 2 more here now in India." }, { "end_time": "1:54:47", "start_time": "1:54:39", "text": "And then what I'm looking forward to is, in 2024, because 2023 is booked up, is that I'm gonna go and live in a in a van." }, { "end_time": "1:54:53", "start_time": "1:54:48", "text": "My my self and my partner are just gonna do van life for about 8 months as travel around the US." }, { "end_time": "1:54:54", "start_time": "1:54:53", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:54:54", "start_time": "1:54:54", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "1:54:55", "start_time": "1:54:54", "text": "That's a goal." }, { "end_time": "1:54:56", "start_time": "1:54:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:54:57", "start_time": "1:54:56", "text": "That's crazy." }, { "end_time": "1:55:04", "start_time": "1:54:57", "text": "So we have to delegate as much as we possibly can between now and then so we can go and enjoy that without too much distraction." }, { "end_time": "1:55:06", "start_time": "1:55:04", "text": "Why are you doing that, though?" }, { "end_time": "1:55:09", "start_time": "1:55:06", "text": "Because I I just feel like I wanna explore a lot more." }, { "end_time": "1:55:11", "start_time": "1:55:09", "text": "Like, I definitely wanna travel a lot more overseas." }, { "end_time": "1:55:16", "start_time": "1:55:12", "text": "That feels like it's a calling, that I wanna explore more cultures." }, { "end_time": "1:55:17", "start_time": "1:55:16", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:55:28", "start_time": "1:55:17", "text": "I'm I'm I'm hope to go to the Amazon next year with a couple of my friends that are from the marines, and, we will definitely be going off a beaten track and living with some tribes for a while." }, { "end_time": "1:55:28", "start_time": "1:55:28", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:55:33", "start_time": "1:55:28", "text": "No other you know, it's not as if you that you can go on an organized tour to do this." }, { "end_time": "1:55:40", "start_time": "1:55:33", "text": "This is something that the marines, some of them from the Amazon, that have done before, and I I I know them, and I may be doing that." }, { "end_time": "1:55:40", "start_time": "1:55:40", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:55:44", "start_time": "1:55:40", "text": "I want just want to explore different cultures, different tribes, different experiences." }, { "end_time": "1:55:46", "start_time": "1:55:44", "text": "But I thought, well, look." }, { "end_time": "1:55:50", "start_time": "1:55:46", "text": "The US is so vast, and let's go and do that in a van first." }, { "end_time": "1:55:50", "start_time": "1:55:50", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "1:55:53", "start_time": "1:55:50", "text": "And, that's what myself and my partner are planning on doing." }, { "end_time": "1:55:54", "start_time": "1:55:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:56:00", "start_time": "1:55:54", "text": "You know, the more I talk to you, the more I feel I didn't do justice to this particular podcast because you've got that much to share, man." }, { "end_time": "1:56:01", "start_time": "1:56:00", "text": "But, Oh, that's it." }, { "end_time": "1:56:02", "start_time": "1:56:01", "text": "I'm spent now." }, { "end_time": "1:56:03", "start_time": "1:56:02", "text": "I got no prize." }, { "end_time": "1:56:04", "start_time": "1:56:04", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:56:09", "start_time": "1:56:04", "text": "But knowing how much you come to India, I'm also looking forward to doing this with you more regularly." }, { "end_time": "1:56:10", "start_time": "1:56:09", "text": "You know, maybe the next time you're here Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:56:10", "start_time": "1:56:10", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "1:56:13", "start_time": "1:56:10", "text": "You'll have a whole new set of things to share, man." }, { "end_time": "1:56:14", "start_time": "1:56:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:56:22", "start_time": "1:56:14", "text": "Well, myself and a couple of, other friends in the biohacking space that are internationally recognized, we're thinking of doing a tour here in November or December." }, { "end_time": "1:56:24", "start_time": "1:56:22", "text": "So I'll keep you informed of that." }, { "end_time": "1:56:24", "start_time": "1:56:24", "text": "Very cool." }, { "end_time": "1:56:28", "start_time": "1:56:24", "text": "Chris Gethin, thank you for speaking to us on the show, man." }, { "end_time": "1:56:30", "start_time": "1:56:28", "text": "Thank you for giving out this knowledge like you do." }, { "end_time": "1:56:31", "start_time": "1:56:30", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:56:31", "start_time": "1:56:31", "text": "I appreciate it." }, { "end_time": "1:56:37", "start_time": "1:56:31", "text": "I've heard a lot about you and this podcast, and it's been a pleasure to actually experience it in person." }, { "end_time": "1:56:37", "start_time": "1:56:37", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:56:38", "start_time": "1:56:37", "text": "Likewise." }, { "end_time": "1:56:38", "start_time": "1:56:38", "text": "Likewise." }, { "end_time": "1:56:41", "start_time": "1:56:38", "text": "This is, in many ways, a teenage dream come true for me." }, { "end_time": "1:56:45", "start_time": "1:56:43", "text": "So not in the romantic Katy Perry video in a sense." }, { "end_time": "1:56:48", "start_time": "1:56:45", "text": "I hope you don't have any posters of me on your ceiling, mate." }, { "end_time": "1:56:50", "start_time": "1:56:50", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:56:50", "start_time": "1:56:50", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:56:54", "start_time": "1:56:50", "text": "I just I had to have this conversation with you for a very long time." }, { "end_time": "1:56:56", "start_time": "1:56:54", "text": "I'm just glad I got to learn from you, man." }, { "end_time": "1:56:59", "start_time": "1:56:56", "text": "You're like a whole kind of library of knowledge." }, { "end_time": "1:57:02", "start_time": "1:57:00", "text": "And looking forward to doing more episodes with you, my man." }, { "end_time": "1:57:03", "start_time": "1:57:02", "text": "Brother." }, { "end_time": "1:57:03", "start_time": "1:57:03", "text": "Awesome." }, { "end_time": "1:57:04", "start_time": "1:57:03", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:57:05", "start_time": "1:57:04", "text": "Appreciate it." }, { "end_time": "1:57:12", "start_time": "1:57:05", "text": "At the start of this podcast, I promised you to science the shit out of it, and that's what I hope that we did over the course of this episode." }, { "end_time": "1:57:18", "start_time": "1:57:13", "text": "We couldn't pack all the gems from this conversation into this one podcast episode." }, { "end_time": "1:57:27", "start_time": "1:57:18", "text": "Those gems have been uploaded in an unfiltered format on our other YouTube channel, TRS clips, where you'll only find highlights of this podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:57:31", "start_time": "1:57:27", "text": "And for more fantastic podcasts like this, make sure you follow us on Spotify." }, { "end_time": "1:57:36", "start_time": "1:57:31", "text": "Every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world." }, { "end_time": "1:57:43", "start_time": "1:57:36", "text": "I feel we've only scratched the surface when it comes to Chris Gethen's knowledge about the world of health." }, { "end_time": "1:57:46", "start_time": "1:57:43", "text": "Chris, brother, return on the show very soon." } ] }

[ { "content": "**Task Description:** \nYou are provided with a YouTube video transcript in JSON format, where each entry is synchronized with its respective timestamp. This transcript contains the spoken text along with its start and end times. Your objective is to generate high-quality, chapter-wise segments that accurately represent key points or transitions within the video.\n\n**Transcript JSON Format:** \nThe transcript is formatted as a list of dictionaries, where each dictionary represents a spoken sentence, including its text and corresponding start and end times.\n\n**Example Transcript:** \n```json\n[\n {\n \"text\": \"The narrative in the public eye is that you left working with the Modi government because your opinions weren't heard.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:07\"\n },\n {\n \"text\": \"I want to know your side of the story.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:08\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:10\"\n },\n ...\n]\n```\n\n**Your Task:** \nUsing the given transcript, generate a JSON output that breaks down the video into meaningful chapters. Each chapter should encapsulate a key segment of the video and be accompanied by a concise, informative title that reflects the essence of that segment.\n\n**Chapter JSON Format:** \nThe output should follow this structure:\n```json\n{\n \"chapters\": [\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"title\": \"Introduction and Opening Remarks\"\n },\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:07\",\n \"title\": \"Discussing the Exit from Modi Government\"\n },\n ...\n ]\n}\n```\n\n**Requirements:** \n1. **Identify Key Segments:** Extract significant portions of the transcript that represent shifts in topic, important discussions, or transitions in conversation.\n2. **Craft Informative Titles:** Each chapter title should be clear, engaging, and directly related to the content covered in that segment.\n3. **Preserve Time Stamps:** Ensure that each chapter's `start_time` corresponds to the first instance of a key topic or segment in the transcript.\n4. **Conciseness is Key:** While titles should be descriptive, avoid making them overly lengthy. Aim for a balance between informativeness and brevity.", "role": "system" }, { "content": "{'transcripts': array([{'end_time': '0:03', 'start_time': '0:00', 'text': 'Performing one more rep even if your life depended on it.'},\n {'end_time': '0:05', 'start_time': '0:03', 'text': 'People get a little bit too scientific.'},\n {'end_time': '0:07', 'start_time': '0:05', 'text': 'They overcomplicate things.'},\n ...,\n {'end_time': '1:57:36', 'start_time': '1:57:31', 'text': \"Every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:57:43', 'start_time': '1:57:36', 'text': \"I feel we've only scratched the surface when it comes to Chris Gethen's knowledge about the world of health.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:57:46', 'start_time': '1:57:43', 'text': 'Chris, brother, return on the show very soon.'}],\n dtype=object)}", "role": "user" }, { "content": "{'chapters': array([{'start_time': '0:00', 'title': 'Introduction'},\n {'start_time': '2:51', 'title': 'Fitness culture'},\n {'start_time': '6:09', 'title': 'How he trained Hrithik Roshan?'},\n {'start_time': '12:34', 'title': 'Training Bollywood actors'},\n {'start_time': '14:04', 'title': 'Changing workout plans'},\n {'start_time': '22:04', 'title': 'On flexibility'},\n {'start_time': '26:34', 'title': 'Increase longevity'},\n {'start_time': '33:34', 'title': 'On ‘Stem cells’'},\n {'start_time': '48:59', 'title': '10-Day Vipassana'},\n {'start_time': '1:02:24', 'title': 'On psychedelics'},\n {'start_time': '1:22:30', 'title': 'Personal throwback story'},\n {'start_time': '1:29:52', 'title': 'On John Abraham'},\n {'start_time': '1:41:00', 'title': 'Diet & weight loss'},\n {'start_time': '1:46:30', 'title': 'On food & supplements'},\n {'start_time': '1:53:45', 'title': 'Future plans'}], dtype=object)}", "role": "assistant" } ]

{ "chapters": [ { "start_time": "00:00", "title": "Introduction" }, { "start_time": "04:15", "title": "Monk-E Story" }, { "start_time": "11:40", "title": "Skills" }, { "start_time": "14:06", "title": "The Struggles" }, { "start_time": "15:15", "title": "The Rewards" }, { "start_time": "18:13", "title": "What does Monk-E currently do?" }, { "start_time": "21:07", "title": "How did you learn this?" }, { "start_time": "22:40", "title": "The Future" }, { "start_time": "25:04", "title": "Current Biggest Challenges" } ] }

{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:03", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "Intelligent conversations only, ICO." }, { "end_time": "0:04", "start_time": "0:04", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "0:04", "start_time": "0:04", "text": "That's right." }, { "end_time": "0:06", "start_time": "0:04", "text": "The Bio Bises podcast is now here." }, { "end_time": "0:08", "start_time": "0:06", "text": "We're not calling it the Bio Bises podcast." }, { "end_time": "0:10", "start_time": "0:08", "text": "We're calling it Monk Echat." }, { "end_time": "0:11", "start_time": "0:11", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "0:16", "start_time": "0:11", "text": "Because Monk Entertainment is cofounded by myself and Viraj Sheh, who's also the cohost on this podcast." }, { "end_time": "0:20", "start_time": "0:17", "text": "It's gonna be all about topics which are a little controversial." }, { "end_time": "0:25", "start_time": "0:20", "text": "Maybe the occult, maybe kala jadu, maybe the government, maybe personal finances in detail." }, { "end_time": "0:29", "start_time": "0:25", "text": "Not just start ups, not just motivation, but obviously because that's a part of my existence." }, { "end_time": "0:31", "start_time": "0:29", "text": "A bit of that is gonna be there." }, { "end_time": "0:44", "start_time": "0:31", "text": "The first episode is all about how we built Munk Entertainment from the ground level up to where it is now, our future vision for Munk Entertainment, our own business insights, what we've learned from this world, and our failures in college, obviously." }, { "end_time": "0:48", "start_time": "0:44", "text": "It's going to be very deep, very intellectual conversations." }, { "end_time": "0:55", "start_time": "0:48", "text": "I feel that when I came to video content, I've already put out everything that I could, but now it's my turn to put out detailed information." }, { "end_time": "0:57", "start_time": "0:55", "text": "In my real life, I'm a very deep person." }, { "end_time": "1:03", "start_time": "0:57", "text": "I really enjoy deep conversations, and those same deep conversations are going to be put out for you guys now." }, { "end_time": "1:06", "start_time": "1:03", "text": "Remember that each podcast is divided into chapters." }, { "end_time": "1:08", "start_time": "1:06", "text": "So if you wanna skip to a chapter that you enjoy, go ahead." }, { "end_time": "1:12", "start_time": "1:08", "text": "The chapter list is given down below in the description box." }, { "end_time": "1:14", "start_time": "1:12", "text": "Check it out and make sure you support monkey chat." }, { "end_time": "1:17", "start_time": "1:14", "text": "If you like this concept, give it a thumbs up." }, { "end_time": "1:18", "start_time": "1:17", "text": "Give me more topic suggestions." }, { "end_time": "1:21", "start_time": "1:18", "text": "But for now, enjoy episode 1." }, { "end_time": "1:22", "start_time": "1:21", "text": "See you." }, { "end_time": "1:23", "start_time": "1:23", "text": "Hey." }, { "end_time": "1:24", "start_time": "1:23", "text": "What's good, you guys?" }, { "end_time": "1:26", "start_time": "1:24", "text": "Welcome not to the Ranveer Show." }, { "end_time": "1:29", "start_time": "1:26", "text": "This is a new property we're starting on beer biceps." }, { "end_time": "1:36", "start_time": "1:29", "text": "It's called monkey chat, co hosted by Randeera Labadia and Viraj Sheth, my co founder on Monkey Monk Entertainment." }, { "end_time": "1:40", "start_time": "1:36", "text": "Monkey chat, our podcast, is not just gonna be on business." }, { "end_time": "1:43", "start_time": "1:40", "text": "It's not gonna be Ranveer show style where I just ask people questions about themselves." }, { "end_time": "1:46", "start_time": "1:44", "text": "Like, what is your purpose in life?" }, { "end_time": "1:46", "start_time": "1:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:47", "start_time": "1:46", "text": "Not not things like that." }, { "end_time": "1:48", "start_time": "1:47", "text": "We can talk about anything." }, { "end_time": "1:55", "start_time": "1:48", "text": "So we'll even be talking about ghost stories, conspiracy theories, business lessons, life lessons, quantum physics." }, { "end_time": "1:58", "start_time": "1:55", "text": "Basically, anything that's value adding to you, an informative podcast." }, { "end_time": "2:00", "start_time": "1:58", "text": "Episode 1." }, { "end_time": "2:08", "start_time": "2:00", "text": "This is episode 1 where I'll actually be talking to Viraj about what monkey does, what we've learned in the world of business." }, { "end_time": "2:11", "start_time": "2:08", "text": "And I'll kind of be introducing Viraj to you guys." }, { "end_time": "2:13", "start_time": "2:11", "text": "I just wanna give you all some background on mister Viraj Sheth." }, { "end_time": "2:16", "start_time": "2:14", "text": "He is my junior from engineering college." }, { "end_time": "2:17", "start_time": "2:16", "text": "He is also my co founder." }, { "end_time": "2:27", "start_time": "2:17", "text": "We just happened to do a little bit of jugaad work together and eventually today, we're running an organization that's about 25, 30 people strong." }, { "end_time": "2:27", "start_time": "2:27", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "2:32", "start_time": "2:27", "text": "He's also genuinely one of the most powerful people in the Indian YouTube community." }, { "end_time": "2:40", "start_time": "2:35", "text": "You name any big YouTuber and and chances are that Viraj Sheth has put money on that YouTuber's table." }, { "end_time": "2:43", "start_time": "2:40", "text": "So he manages some of the top YouTube talent in India today." }, { "end_time": "2:46", "start_time": "2:43", "text": "His last 2 years have been full of hustle." }, { "end_time": "2:48", "start_time": "2:46", "text": "He's a brother and we usually fool around a lot." }, { "end_time": "2:52", "start_time": "2:49", "text": "But on today's episode, we're gonna try inspiring you guys." }, { "end_time": "2:54", "start_time": "2:52", "text": "We're gonna try making it a little genuine." }, { "end_time": "2:57", "start_time": "2:54", "text": "So make it a little more sincere than we normally do." }, { "end_time": "2:57", "start_time": "2:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:02", "start_time": "2:57", "text": "Viraj Sheth, I'm gonna allow you to start with the story of how Monk Entertainment happened." }, { "end_time": "3:06", "start_time": "3:03", "text": "Because let me just tell you that 2 years back, we didn't have any office." }, { "end_time": "3:07", "start_time": "3:06", "text": "We were working out of my dining room." }, { "end_time": "3:08", "start_time": "3:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:12", "start_time": "3:08", "text": "So from there, we've kind of moved into an office with, like, 25 people." }, { "end_time": "3:15", "start_time": "3:12", "text": "And this has happened through, like, genuine hard work." }, { "end_time": "3:15", "start_time": "3:15", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "3:24", "start_time": "3:15", "text": "So quickly to give you guys a recap of the story, we start off Ranveer was my senior in college and, he was not the most fun senior for me." }, { "end_time": "3:27", "start_time": "3:24", "text": "The first time I met Viraj, I actually bullied him." }, { "end_time": "3:33", "start_time": "3:27", "text": "So I was, like, super buff in college, and he happened to drop a little sambar in the canteen, and a little bit of it fell on my friend's shoe." }, { "end_time": "3:35", "start_time": "3:33", "text": "So I just looked at him, all buff, and I was like, hey." }, { "end_time": "3:36", "start_time": "3:36", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "3:45", "start_time": "3:44", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "3:46", "start_time": "3:45", "text": "So, yeah, that's how it started." }, { "end_time": "3:47", "start_time": "3:46", "text": "That was our first interaction." }, { "end_time": "3:53", "start_time": "3:47", "text": "I was just trying to be that guy who, you know, goes to seniors and gets the whole vibe of the college." }, { "end_time": "3:56", "start_time": "3:54", "text": "It was a first fresher and I participated." }, { "end_time": "3:57", "start_time": "3:56", "text": "He was the host." }, { "end_time": "3:58", "start_time": "3:57", "text": "That's how it started." }, { "end_time": "4:01", "start_time": "3:58", "text": "And then we started working together a lot more." }, { "end_time": "4:04", "start_time": "4:01", "text": "We started doing internships together, back then." }, { "end_time": "4:07", "start_time": "4:04", "text": "And then that's how we jared and we started working a lot." }, { "end_time": "4:10", "start_time": "4:07", "text": "We also lost touch, like, after college with YouTube and all that." }, { "end_time": "4:13", "start_time": "4:10", "text": "I kind of just got into my own zone with work." }, { "end_time": "4:15", "start_time": "4:13", "text": "Chapter 1, the monkey story." }, { "end_time": "4:20", "start_time": "4:16", "text": "Eventually, I went back to DJ Sanghvi one day, our engineering college, and I met Viraj there." }, { "end_time": "4:26", "start_time": "4:20", "text": "And at that phase of my life, I was really trying to increase the amount of money I was earning through YouTube." }, { "end_time": "4:32", "start_time": "4:26", "text": "So I basically found the first Gujhu I found and said, bro, please help me help me make some money off this." }, { "end_time": "4:33", "start_time": "4:32", "text": "So Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:41", "start_time": "4:33", "text": "So that's how it again, we, rekindled the whole story how to work till I was a president in the esal of my college." }, { "end_time": "4:48", "start_time": "4:41", "text": "And I basically, you know, was doing it to get a certificate at the end of the day, and I didn't want to do it the whole traditional way." }, { "end_time": "4:54", "start_time": "4:48", "text": "So I I just called him up and said, well, actually don't have anyone to call for a talk now." }, { "end_time": "4:56", "start_time": "4:54", "text": "But you're doing something cool in your life." }, { "end_time": "4:59", "start_time": "4:56", "text": "And you're the most accessible person I have right now." }, { "end_time": "5:05", "start_time": "5:00", "text": "So can you come down and give a talk to these young kids about what is the whole situation with YouTube?" }, { "end_time": "5:06", "start_time": "5:05", "text": "Is it genuine?" }, { "end_time": "5:10", "start_time": "5:06", "text": "Does it, like, can you pursue it as a career, any of that?" }, { "end_time": "5:10", "start_time": "5:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:16", "start_time": "5:10", "text": "So, technically, back then, going by the amount of money we used to get on YouTube back in the day, it wasn't really a genuine career." }, { "end_time": "5:19", "start_time": "5:18", "text": "I'm gonna put it out there." }, { "end_time": "5:25", "start_time": "5:19", "text": "I had probably, like, I think, 20,000 rupees or 30,000 rupees in my bank account when I met you back then." }, { "end_time": "5:26", "start_time": "5:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:32", "start_time": "5:26", "text": "And I think the I think the first brand deal we did of sorts was with this energy drink company." }, { "end_time": "5:35", "start_time": "5:32", "text": "We did some 2, 3 Instagram posts." }, { "end_time": "5:36", "start_time": "5:35", "text": "For 7,000 rupees a post." }, { "end_time": "5:37", "start_time": "5:36", "text": "Stories." }, { "end_time": "5:38", "start_time": "5:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:47", "start_time": "5:38", "text": "For barely like 7,000 rupees, which I mean at that point felt like a fairly decent amount to me because we were just starting out." }, { "end_time": "5:52", "start_time": "5:47", "text": "We we just started thinking, oh, you you get paid to take a picture and post it on social media." }, { "end_time": "5:53", "start_time": "5:52", "text": "That's cool." }, { "end_time": "5:53", "start_time": "5:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:02", "start_time": "5:53", "text": "That's when I had my meeting with Ranveer and, you know, he had super hyped it up and oversold it to me that bro this is the next big thing in the 5 years." }, { "end_time": "6:04", "start_time": "6:03", "text": "You will make a lot of money." }, { "end_time": "6:06", "start_time": "6:04", "text": "Just jump into it." }, { "end_time": "6:13", "start_time": "6:06", "text": "This is right when I already had one job offer in hand and I applied to insane universities in the US." }, { "end_time": "6:22", "start_time": "6:13", "text": "That's when this guy enters my life and says that, you know, totally switch everything that you are going to do and jump into this, you know, unknown territory of media." }, { "end_time": "6:30", "start_time": "6:22", "text": "So I remember initially there were few meetings where I'd send Viraj and he really didn't know what to talk about, what to pitch, how to pitch, how to say that, listen, we have a YouTube channel." }, { "end_time": "6:31", "start_time": "6:30", "text": "You can actually put a brand on YouTube channel." }, { "end_time": "6:36", "start_time": "6:31", "text": "And he made a fool of himself many times, but both of us actually learned through that difficult phase." }, { "end_time": "6:37", "start_time": "6:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:44", "start_time": "6:37", "text": "So to give you context, how it worked again then is I didn't know that, there was a way to reach to the brands." }, { "end_time": "6:45", "start_time": "6:44", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "6:48", "start_time": "6:45", "text": "I used to directly reach out to the CEOs of each company." }, { "end_time": "6:52", "start_time": "6:52", "text": "Rock." }, { "end_time": "6:53", "start_time": "6:52", "text": "Rock." }, { "end_time": "6:53", "start_time": "6:53", "text": "Rock." }, { "end_time": "6:57", "start_time": "6:54", "text": "And say that, boss, we run a YouTube channel." }, { "end_time": "6:59", "start_time": "6:57", "text": "This is the coolest form of marketing now." }, { "end_time": "7:01", "start_time": "6:59", "text": "We have x y z number of followers." }, { "end_time": "7:03", "start_time": "7:01", "text": "We will get x y z number of views." }, { "end_time": "7:06", "start_time": "7:03", "text": "So why don't you come to our channel and it'll be a great fit?" }, { "end_time": "7:16", "start_time": "7:06", "text": "So I had written thousands of cold emails and this is 2 years back when the whole situation of YouTube marketing was not, very new organized in India." }, { "end_time": "7:22", "start_time": "7:17", "text": "So no one knew how do you work with YouTubers, how do you integrate your content pieces, all of that." }, { "end_time": "7:31", "start_time": "7:22", "text": "So I've been in so many meetings where, first of all, I'm clueless how to start off it, how to take things forward, what would be the right dressing to go with." }, { "end_time": "7:33", "start_time": "7:31", "text": "All of that I've learned over a span of time." }, { "end_time": "7:34", "start_time": "7:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:42", "start_time": "7:34", "text": "Also, you know, when they say that if you really wanna make a big business, you try understanding the waves that are going around in the market, the kind of waves of money that are rising." }, { "end_time": "7:43", "start_time": "7:42", "text": "So that's pretty much what we did." }, { "end_time": "7:50", "start_time": "7:43", "text": "There was a wave of money that was falling into this YouTubing game, and we just caught our surfboards and started surfing." }, { "end_time": "7:54", "start_time": "7:50", "text": "So we kind of were in the right place at the right time." }, { "end_time": "7:55", "start_time": "7:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:09", "start_time": "7:55", "text": "I think just success in general has a lot to do with being not just courageous enough to take the right step, but also luck plays in a factor where it it gets you to the right place at the right time and you need to grab that opportunity to make sure that you're riding that wave." }, { "end_time": "8:10", "start_time": "8:09", "text": "That's really what we did in general." }, { "end_time": "8:11", "start_time": "8:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:14", "start_time": "8:11", "text": "We just took a gut call and said that let's go ahead." }, { "end_time": "8:15", "start_time": "8:14", "text": "Let's go full fledged into this." }, { "end_time": "8:23", "start_time": "8:15", "text": "I was actually doing a job back then when Ranveer said that, you know, I think we can take this full time, and I quit in 3 months." }, { "end_time": "8:28", "start_time": "8:24", "text": "That's how we started the whole situation and started working full time on this." }, { "end_time": "8:28", "start_time": "8:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:30", "start_time": "8:28", "text": "So I mean, that's called the power of focus." }, { "end_time": "8:33", "start_time": "8:30", "text": "He put all his focus into bringing more money into beer biceps." }, { "end_time": "8:34", "start_time": "8:33", "text": "Eventually, it happened." }, { "end_time": "8:39", "start_time": "8:34", "text": "Like, from that 7,000 rupees per post, I think the next d v went up to was, like, 25,000 rupees." }, { "end_time": "8:41", "start_time": "8:39", "text": "And gradually, we kept going up." }, { "end_time": "8:47", "start_time": "8:41", "text": "Eventually, all our friends on YouTube like, from Flying Beast." }, { "end_time": "8:48", "start_time": "8:47", "text": "They all noticed and they were like, listen." }, { "end_time": "8:49", "start_time": "8:48", "text": "Let's work together." }, { "end_time": "8:53", "start_time": "8:50", "text": "So we started manning even more people in an informal way." }, { "end_time": "8:55", "start_time": "8:53", "text": "And once there were enough people, we figured, okay." }, { "end_time": "8:55", "start_time": "8:55", "text": "Wait." }, { "end_time": "8:58", "start_time": "8:55", "text": "Now we need to make this some kind of a company." }, { "end_time": "8:58", "start_time": "8:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:01", "start_time": "8:58", "text": "That we need to formalize it or else it wouldn't make sense." }, { "end_time": "9:07", "start_time": "9:01", "text": "When I was in my last job, I used to make calls, just do in in my day job." }, { "end_time": "9:14", "start_time": "9:07", "text": "Like I I used to go to the washroom and make some calls and all of that and realize this this stuff isn't going to be long lasting." }, { "end_time": "9:14", "start_time": "9:14", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "9:16", "start_time": "9:14", "text": "You can't be doing 2 jobs at once." }, { "end_time": "9:19", "start_time": "9:16", "text": "So we discussed that, you know, let's let's quit this." }, { "end_time": "9:21", "start_time": "9:19", "text": "Let's start a company, and let's formalize things." }, { "end_time": "9:24", "start_time": "9:21", "text": "Let's get legal papers done and all of that." }, { "end_time": "9:25", "start_time": "9:24", "text": "That's how we started." }, { "end_time": "9:25", "start_time": "9:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:32", "start_time": "9:25", "text": "Also, I remember I had a lack of rupees in my bank account at this stage, and, I invested all of it in redoing my own garage." }, { "end_time": "9:39", "start_time": "9:32", "text": "Like, we painted our garage, like, very cheaply with, like, the cheapest paint of the cheapest painters we could find, put in the cheapest possible furniture." }, { "end_time": "9:39", "start_time": "9:39", "text": "I said, okay." }, { "end_time": "9:40", "start_time": "9:39", "text": "We company." }, { "end_time": "9:46", "start_time": "9:41", "text": "So it was a classic, you know, how they say whatever Apple and all of these started in garages." }, { "end_time": "9:47", "start_time": "9:47", "text": "That's true." }, { "end_time": "9:51", "start_time": "9:47", "text": "I and we get the perspective that, you know, that's they wanted to cut cost." }, { "end_time": "10:02", "start_time": "9:51", "text": "They just wanted to have sufficient amount of, balance in their account to get the legal work done, to get a first few employees, to get some basic logistical stuff like your laptops, all of that." }, { "end_time": "10:02", "start_time": "10:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:10", "start_time": "10:03", "text": "But in saying that, I think that infrastructure, that space gave us a very kind of good platform for the company to get launched." }, { "end_time": "10:14", "start_time": "10:10", "text": "So eventually, we got, like, the right people joining monkey." }, { "end_time": "10:16", "start_time": "10:14", "text": "We got Neel Katar Navray, Jalak Raval initially." }, { "end_time": "10:18", "start_time": "10:17", "text": "Rajas was obviously there." }, { "end_time": "10:25", "start_time": "10:18", "text": "And, I think a bunch of just really good people started working really hard together because of the leader." }, { "end_time": "10:42", "start_time": "10:25", "text": "So Viraj is the leader of both the organizations, beer biceps and Munk Entertainment, and he is the hardest working guy anyone of us has ever met in our lives because, I mean, even if you follow Buneck's story, recently Nick put up the story of Viraj, kind of he's gone to sleep with his phone in his hand." }, { "end_time": "10:45", "start_time": "10:42", "text": "He was texting, and he was that tired that he just, like, fell asleep." }, { "end_time": "10:47", "start_time": "10:45", "text": "And and this is like a daily thing." }, { "end_time": "10:51", "start_time": "10:47", "text": "He'll, you know, start his work the moment he wakes up at, like, 8:30, 9 AM." }, { "end_time": "10:52", "start_time": "10:51", "text": "He's answering calls." }, { "end_time": "10:53", "start_time": "10:52", "text": "He'll reach office at 11." }, { "end_time": "10:59", "start_time": "10:53", "text": "He will continue working probably leave office at like 1 AM, sometimes 3 AM in the morning and all that." }, { "end_time": "11:00", "start_time": "10:59", "text": "He doesn't give himself enough credit for that." }, { "end_time": "11:03", "start_time": "11:00", "text": "No, I mean but that is completely not healthy." }, { "end_time": "11:09", "start_time": "11:03", "text": "What I still feel is you should come in, at your right time, leave early if your work is done." }, { "end_time": "11:11", "start_time": "11:09", "text": "Don't just be there in the office." }, { "end_time": "11:22", "start_time": "11:11", "text": "But there will be certain phases in your life when you you will have to stay back longer, do do longer things because when you're starting off, right, people expect you to have a USP of speed." }, { "end_time": "11:22", "start_time": "11:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:24", "start_time": "11:22", "text": "Like, what is your credibility?" }, { "end_time": "11:29", "start_time": "11:24", "text": "I can go to 1,000 other people, but I'm gonna pick you because you're giving me speed." }, { "end_time": "11:31", "start_time": "11:29", "text": "You are taking the burden off of me." }, { "end_time": "11:31", "start_time": "11:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:35", "start_time": "11:31", "text": "So that's why, you need to have that bit of, leverage Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:36", "start_time": "11:35", "text": "In in general." }, { "end_time": "11:39", "start_time": "11:36", "text": "That's why it's we do what we do." }, { "end_time": "11:41", "start_time": "11:39", "text": "Chapter 2, the skills." }, { "end_time": "11:47", "start_time": "11:41", "text": "So I also feel like what worked for Viraj above anything is definitely hard work and speed, but the other thing that really worked for him was Jugard." }, { "end_time": "11:47", "start_time": "11:47", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "11:50", "start_time": "11:47", "text": "And this is a very underrated aspect of this whole game." }, { "end_time": "11:52", "start_time": "11:51", "text": "He cold emailed people." }, { "end_time": "11:53", "start_time": "11:52", "text": "That's what you call it." }, { "end_time": "11:53", "start_time": "11:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:54", "start_time": "11:53", "text": "Just cold emailed." }, { "end_time": "11:57", "start_time": "11:54", "text": "And just, you know, made his way, like, in this world." }, { "end_time": "12:06", "start_time": "11:57", "text": "Like, he just spoke to whoever he met, networked heavily, took information from his own network, and just learned the game as he was playing it." }, { "end_time": "12:08", "start_time": "12:06", "text": "So he taught himself how to become the best batch." }, { "end_time": "12:13", "start_time": "12:08", "text": "That's how you do do it and I mean, most of these youngsters these days are sort of figuring it out that way." }, { "end_time": "12:13", "start_time": "12:13", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "12:22", "start_time": "12:13", "text": "Everyone, every new, inspiring say photographer, videographer, you know, editor I meet has most of these guys are all self taught." }, { "end_time": "12:27", "start_time": "12:22", "text": "And that's that's been the whole story of millennials or people our age." }, { "end_time": "12:27", "start_time": "12:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:29", "start_time": "12:27", "text": "That, you want to be self taught." }, { "end_time": "12:36", "start_time": "12:29", "text": "You don't wanna be, you know, stuck to your own organizations and figure out this stuff yourself." }, { "end_time": "12:39", "start_time": "12:37", "text": "So that's how I went went ahead." }, { "end_time": "12:42", "start_time": "12:39", "text": "I realized, you know, what is the best way to reach to these agencies?" }, { "end_time": "12:44", "start_time": "12:42", "text": "What is the best way to reach to brands?" }, { "end_time": "12:46", "start_time": "12:44", "text": "How can we work with talents?" }, { "end_time": "12:46", "start_time": "12:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:50", "start_time": "12:46", "text": "At the same time, yeah, grooming a talent or something Viraj focuses on a lot." }, { "end_time": "12:55", "start_time": "12:50", "text": "So, see, from the perspective of YouTubers, all of us are basically children." }, { "end_time": "12:55", "start_time": "12:55", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "13:02", "start_time": "12:55", "text": "We're kids inside and we do need a lot of guidance when it comes to the world of business, the world of YouTube business, the world of brand building." }, { "end_time": "13:04", "start_time": "13:02", "text": "So Viraj is someone who's a big brother to all of us." }, { "end_time": "13:07", "start_time": "13:04", "text": "He's, like, 2 years younger than myself, but I still can't remember him like my elder brother." }, { "end_time": "13:08", "start_time": "13:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:14", "start_time": "13:08", "text": "So, again, what we did is we realized that, you know, let's keep the creative child in these guys active." }, { "end_time": "13:19", "start_time": "13:14", "text": "All the logistical admin finance work, let's move it on to someone else." }, { "end_time": "13:21", "start_time": "13:19", "text": "Let's keep that burden off to someone else." }, { "end_time": "13:27", "start_time": "13:21", "text": "That's how we figured that, you know, the whole management and manager aspect came into the picture then." }, { "end_time": "13:34", "start_time": "13:27", "text": "At the same time, I mean, see, he learned about this particular business, but he also learned about business in general." }, { "end_time": "13:41", "start_time": "13:35", "text": "Like, how to actually grow an organization, how to hire the correct people, how to get rid of the wrong people." }, { "end_time": "13:46", "start_time": "13:41", "text": "All these little things you learn as you are doing business, and you learn it through podcast, you learn through books." }, { "end_time": "13:53", "start_time": "13:46", "text": "So when I say that you guys should listen to podcast, you guys should listen to books, I'm looking at Viraj's life, seeing what he's done correct and just putting it out there." }, { "end_time": "13:55", "start_time": "13:54", "text": "Completely self taught." }, { "end_time": "13:59", "start_time": "13:56", "text": "I wanna ask Viraj my first question of this interview because we've just discussed Oh, shoot." }, { "end_time": "14:04", "start_time": "14:01", "text": "That what's been, like, the hardest aspect of all this?" }, { "end_time": "14:06", "start_time": "14:04", "text": "Chapter 3, the struggles." }, { "end_time": "14:12", "start_time": "14:07", "text": "I think one the most difficult aspect I keep talking about is is the hiring part right." }, { "end_time": "14:24", "start_time": "14:12", "text": "It's extremely difficult to get the right mix of people because I see a lot of people talking about the fact that there is unemployment or there is not enough opportunities in the country in general." }, { "end_time": "14:30", "start_time": "14:25", "text": "I think personally the fact is that a lot of people donit want to grab on to the opportunities." }, { "end_time": "14:35", "start_time": "14:31", "text": "Everyone has a very employee sort of perspective going forward." }, { "end_time": "14:35", "start_time": "14:35", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "14:36", "start_time": "14:35", "text": "Is that I'm coming in at 9." }, { "end_time": "14:38", "start_time": "14:36", "text": "I leave I wanna leave at 6." }, { "end_time": "14:45", "start_time": "14:39", "text": "Initially, I feel you definitely should not have that attitude because you wanna give it your best shot at what you're doing." }, { "end_time": "14:53", "start_time": "14:45", "text": "You just want to learn, you want to keep adding more value because that's when you will get into the eyes of the higher hierarchy." }, { "end_time": "14:58", "start_time": "14:53", "text": "That's as simple as it is or you build your own thing, you innovate, you build a business around it." }, { "end_time": "15:00", "start_time": "14:58", "text": "So there's 2 ways to it." }, { "end_time": "15:08", "start_time": "15:00", "text": "But both of these ways, either being an entrepreneur or when you're being an entry level, job entrant is that you need to add value." }, { "end_time": "15:10", "start_time": "15:08", "text": "You need to show that you are in it." }, { "end_time": "15:12", "start_time": "15:11", "text": "You're all in it." }, { "end_time": "15:14", "start_time": "15:12", "text": "Basically is what you need to show." }, { "end_time": "15:15", "start_time": "15:14", "text": "Chapter 4 the rewards." }, { "end_time": "15:18", "start_time": "15:16", "text": "So and what's been like the high of all this?" }, { "end_time": "15:21", "start_time": "15:18", "text": "Like what's been the best aspect of this whole journey?" }, { "end_time": "15:26", "start_time": "15:21", "text": "I think the high the biggest high is to get to meet a lot of super accomplished people." }, { "end_time": "15:33", "start_time": "15:26", "text": "People who have the expertise the wisdom the knowledge to to do what they've been doing right." }, { "end_time": "15:37", "start_time": "15:33", "text": "And, normally people get to access this at a much elder age." }, { "end_time": "15:53", "start_time": "15:37", "text": "I've been lucky enough to you know pick minds of some geniuses like, you know, people who are running huge organizations is something I feel is the biggest high I get because I can speak to them, on a one to one basis and see that." }, { "end_time": "15:55", "start_time": "15:53", "text": "So these are the problems I'm facing." }, { "end_time": "15:58", "start_time": "15:56", "text": "What is it that you think I should do?" }, { "end_time": "16:00", "start_time": "15:58", "text": "What is the direction I should be moving in?" }, { "end_time": "16:06", "start_time": "16:00", "text": "And as, your mentality stands now, how is it different from when you had just started out?" }, { "end_time": "16:07", "start_time": "16:06", "text": "The one biggest difference." }, { "end_time": "16:09", "start_time": "16:07", "text": "I know there's like a ton of differences." }, { "end_time": "16:09", "start_time": "16:09", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "16:11", "start_time": "16:09", "text": "But what's like the one like stark difference?" }, { "end_time": "16:15", "start_time": "16:11", "text": "I think the biggest difference I see in myself is I was very under confident." }, { "end_time": "16:18", "start_time": "16:16", "text": "I mean fairly so because I hadn't achieved anything." }, { "end_time": "16:23", "start_time": "16:18", "text": "I didn't know if I was going in the right space and all of that, but in general that should not be a factor." }, { "end_time": "16:28", "start_time": "16:23", "text": "You should just go and heads up just be just fake it till you make it." }, { "end_time": "16:28", "start_time": "16:28", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "16:29", "start_time": "16:28", "text": "That's how it works." }, { "end_time": "16:33", "start_time": "16:29", "text": "Be confident every time you're entering the room, make sure that you know your shit." }, { "end_time": "16:34", "start_time": "16:34", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "16:35", "start_time": "16:34", "text": "And that's all that you need." }, { "end_time": "16:35", "start_time": "16:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:37", "start_time": "16:35", "text": "That's what people will only value you." }, { "end_time": "16:38", "start_time": "16:37", "text": "1, if you value yourself." }, { "end_time": "16:39", "start_time": "16:38", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "16:45", "start_time": "16:39", "text": "And 2, if you actually have enough value in here, if you've learned enough, if you have enough information that you can add into their life, then they'll value you." }, { "end_time": "16:45", "start_time": "16:45", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "16:50", "start_time": "16:45", "text": "So, I think step up to that pedestal of being a person of value." }, { "end_time": "16:50", "start_time": "16:50", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "16:52", "start_time": "16:50", "text": "And that's how your real connections get made." }, { "end_time": "16:55", "start_time": "16:52", "text": "And one more crucial thing that we learned, and this is something we learned at Delhi airport, okay." }, { "end_time": "16:59", "start_time": "16:55", "text": "So we were having a dosa, and this uncle came and started talking to us." }, { "end_time": "17:00", "start_time": "16:59", "text": "He's like, you know, we've all suited up." }, { "end_time": "17:02", "start_time": "17:00", "text": "We were wearing suits and he said, who are you kid kids?" }, { "end_time": "17:03", "start_time": "17:02", "text": "And all your kids, you know, wearing suits." }, { "end_time": "17:05", "start_time": "17:03", "text": "You're coming from some business conference." }, { "end_time": "17:05", "start_time": "17:05", "text": "He go, yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:09", "start_time": "17:05", "text": "So he tells us that, okay, guys, I'll tell you all the biggest business lesson of my life." }, { "end_time": "17:12", "start_time": "17:09", "text": "Business in India is made through emotional connections." }, { "end_time": "17:16", "start_time": "17:12", "text": "So I think that's something Viraj has also figured out in our industry especially." }, { "end_time": "17:21", "start_time": "17:16", "text": "You wanna make more money in life, you first become people's friends in the world of Indian business." }, { "end_time": "17:24", "start_time": "17:21", "text": "You make your business connections and money will follow." }, { "end_time": "17:26", "start_time": "17:24", "text": "At the same time, be a person of value." }, { "end_time": "17:29", "start_time": "17:26", "text": "So that even those connections want to be your friend." }, { "end_time": "17:31", "start_time": "17:29", "text": "So would would that be a big learning for you?" }, { "end_time": "17:31", "start_time": "17:31", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "17:31", "start_time": "17:31", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "17:35", "start_time": "17:31", "text": "So that is what our core value of the company is also been right." }, { "end_time": "17:44", "start_time": "17:35", "text": "Even when we are working with talents, you are working with brands, we make sure that we understand what is it they want before, you know, getting all the paperwork done, getting them signed, all of that." }, { "end_time": "17:45", "start_time": "17:44", "text": "That's secondary." }, { "end_time": "17:49", "start_time": "17:45", "text": "We need to understand are we connecting with the individual in the first place?" }, { "end_time": "17:52", "start_time": "17:49", "text": "Are we equipped enough to add value to their lives?" }, { "end_time": "17:55", "start_time": "17:52", "text": "What what is the biggest challenge or problem they're facing?" }, { "end_time": "18:02", "start_time": "17:55", "text": "The again, like Gary v says, and I don't mean to sound make it sound very cliche, empathy is super important when it comes to business." }, { "end_time": "18:02", "start_time": "18:02", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "18:06", "start_time": "18:02", "text": "You need to make sure you're not in it to be a shark only." }, { "end_time": "18:06", "start_time": "18:06", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "18:11", "start_time": "18:06", "text": "Just, you know, go there to add value to collaborate, and that's how you will grow with them." }, { "end_time": "18:12", "start_time": "18:11", "text": "Chapter 5." }, { "end_time": "18:14", "start_time": "18:12", "text": "But what's Monkey up to now, bro?" }, { "end_time": "18:22", "start_time": "18:14", "text": "Now the next question I wanna ask you is as the cofounder of Monk Entertainment, I just wanna explain to you guys how we've divided our responsibilities as cofounders." }, { "end_time": "18:28", "start_time": "18:23", "text": "So Viraj would obviously be kind of the overall CEO of Monk Entertainment." }, { "end_time": "18:29", "start_time": "18:28", "text": "He's the head of operations." }, { "end_time": "18:33", "start_time": "18:30", "text": "He gets the final say on all the key decisions, obviously." }, { "end_time": "18:35", "start_time": "18:33", "text": "He, began the company." }, { "end_time": "18:38", "start_time": "18:35", "text": "He ran it alone, you know, when there was no other person running the company." }, { "end_time": "18:40", "start_time": "18:38", "text": "So he's the king of this organization." }, { "end_time": "18:43", "start_time": "18:41", "text": "I'm primarily in charge of culture." }, { "end_time": "18:46", "start_time": "18:43", "text": "I mentor the people who join in the monk entertainment." }, { "end_time": "18:51", "start_time": "18:47", "text": "Overall, I set strategies for where the organization is headed." }, { "end_time": "18:56", "start_time": "18:51", "text": "But if someone asks me, okay, what what are the activities that monk entertainment does?" }, { "end_time": "18:56", "start_time": "18:56", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "18:57", "start_time": "18:56", "text": "I'll always tell them, wait." }, { "end_time": "19:01", "start_time": "18:57", "text": "Speak to Viraj because he's more in the loop about, these things." }, { "end_time": "19:04", "start_time": "19:01", "text": "So, Viraj, what does monk entertainment do?" }, { "end_time": "19:08", "start_time": "19:04", "text": "And how have we been able to create, an office of, like, 25, 30 kids?" }, { "end_time": "19:13", "start_time": "19:08", "text": "So how we started is again, we realized that we were already working with talents now." }, { "end_time": "19:17", "start_time": "19:13", "text": "We were adding value both monetary, brand wise, all of that." }, { "end_time": "19:21", "start_time": "19:18", "text": "Then we realized that, wait there is a gap." }, { "end_time": "19:29", "start_time": "19:21", "text": "It is not just the talents who do not understand how to work with brands, but it also is the brands who do not understand how to work with youtubers right." }, { "end_time": "19:35", "start_time": "19:29", "text": "They do not know what are the right creators to work with, they do not know how to spend it, They don't know what are the market rates of these guys." }, { "end_time": "19:37", "start_time": "19:35", "text": "They don't know what platforms to leverage." }, { "end_time": "19:40", "start_time": "19:37", "text": "A lot of brands are not digitally equipped as yet." }, { "end_time": "19:43", "start_time": "19:40", "text": "They don't know how what is a swipe up story." }, { "end_time": "19:45", "start_time": "19:43", "text": "They don't know how to use a hashtag in a tweet." }, { "end_time": "19:45", "start_time": "19:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:50", "start_time": "19:45", "text": "I think like, people our age know these things better because we've we're the generation that's grown up with all these around us." }, { "end_time": "19:51", "start_time": "19:50", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "19:52", "start_time": "19:51", "text": "So it's a part of our daily lives." }, { "end_time": "19:54", "start_time": "19:52", "text": "I mean, social media was part of our daily lives." }, { "end_time": "19:54", "start_time": "19:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:59", "start_time": "19:54", "text": "I mean, you grew up, you bought a smartphone, you grew up in the smartphone age." }, { "end_time": "20:06", "start_time": "19:59", "text": "The 2 top 3 apps that you've downloaded are essentially Facebook, Instagram, and probably Twitter or, I don't know, Snapchat." }, { "end_time": "20:08", "start_time": "20:06", "text": "So we know we use these on a daily." }, { "end_time": "20:10", "start_time": "20:08", "text": "So naturally, we know how this works." }, { "end_time": "20:20", "start_time": "20:10", "text": "A lot of the elder people, people who are running organizations was CMOs, CXOs in these companies they are not so well worst with it because they do not use it on a daily right." }, { "end_time": "20:30", "start_time": "20:20", "text": "So, to cut it short what we do is we work with trends to help them understand how to work with talents, we work with talents to make them understand how we can work with brands." }, { "end_time": "20:46", "start_time": "20:31", "text": "And in all of this we also basically do everything else that comes on digital like social media management, video production Everything content related is what Monk Entertainment looks at so that all of it can can come under one umbrella." }, { "end_time": "20:52", "start_time": "20:46", "text": "So tomorrow if a brand comes to me and says that I have x amount to spend on content, I can tell them, okay." }, { "end_time": "20:54", "start_time": "20:52", "text": "These are the talents you should work with." }, { "end_time": "20:56", "start_time": "20:54", "text": "These are the platforms you should work on." }, { "end_time": "21:03", "start_time": "20:56", "text": "This is the branded content you should make beyond using influencers, and this is how you should maintain your social media pieces." }, { "end_time": "21:03", "start_time": "21:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:04", "start_time": "21:03", "text": "And we can do all of that for you." }, { "end_time": "21:06", "start_time": "21:04", "text": "This is like your one stop play." }, { "end_time": "21:07", "start_time": "21:06", "text": "Chapter 6." }, { "end_time": "21:09", "start_time": "21:08", "text": "How you learned all this?" }, { "end_time": "21:14", "start_time": "21:09", "text": "So, also a lot of you all might be looking at this video and saying, how did you all figure all these things?" }, { "end_time": "21:15", "start_time": "21:14", "text": "It was one step at a time." }, { "end_time": "21:17", "start_time": "21:15", "text": "It began just with influencer marketing." }, { "end_time": "21:25", "start_time": "21:17", "text": "In in fact, it began just with managing me, then it went to influencer marketing, then we started helping brands with other, you know, influencer campaigns, digital campaigns." }, { "end_time": "21:30", "start_time": "21:26", "text": "Then we figured, okay, brands need social media, so we began a social media unit in the organization." }, { "end_time": "21:32", "start_time": "21:30", "text": "So it was just one step at a time." }, { "end_time": "21:35", "start_time": "21:32", "text": "Don't ever let these business stories, you know, overwhelm you." }, { "end_time": "21:38", "start_time": "21:35", "text": "Like, you know, I used to get overwhelmed when I should read all these business stories." }, { "end_time": "21:41", "start_time": "21:40", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "21:57", "start_time": "21:41", "text": "And a lot of the stuff you read on the Internet and newspapers and all of that is when you read them, make sure you read through the lines because a lot of the times these figures are bloated that x company got a 100,000,000,000 valuation or $1,000,000,000 valuation all of that is alright." }, { "end_time": "22:04", "start_time": "21:58", "text": "You need to see that what is the companyis core problem solving agenda like what is the problem they are solving." }, { "end_time": "22:07", "start_time": "22:04", "text": "Ola at the end of the day takes you from point a to point b." }, { "end_time": "22:11", "start_time": "22:07", "text": "So, they are making sure that they solve your problem of travelling." }, { "end_time": "22:28", "start_time": "22:11", "text": "Airbnb is making travel fun like they are giving you an experience for example, what is it that we do we make sure that agencies or brands lives are made easier by being the one stop solution in terms of digital solutions that is what the model is." }, { "end_time": "22:36", "start_time": "22:28", "text": "Now how do you scale up from that is you build a team around it, you network, you work with more brands, they will recommend you you do other brands." }, { "end_time": "22:38", "start_time": "22:36", "text": "Your work speaks at the end of the day." }, { "end_time": "22:40", "start_time": "22:38", "text": "That is really all." }, { "end_time": "22:42", "start_time": "22:40", "text": "Chapter 7, the future." }, { "end_time": "22:43", "start_time": "22:43", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "22:46", "start_time": "22:43", "text": "Now, Viraj, where do you see Monk Entertainment going?" }, { "end_time": "22:49", "start_time": "22:46", "text": "Not 5 years from now, but I'm gonna say 25 years from now." }, { "end_time": "22:50", "start_time": "22:49", "text": "Where do you see it?" }, { "end_time": "22:55", "start_time": "22:50", "text": "I think what we wanna do eventually is, like all companies, we wanna build a legacy." }, { "end_time": "22:55", "start_time": "22:55", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "22:59", "start_time": "22:55", "text": "It should work without me, him, anyone else being in the company or not." }, { "end_time": "23:07", "start_time": "22:59", "text": "The company should stay at the end of the day and that will only happen if the if the purpose and the agenda of the company is in the right direction." }, { "end_time": "23:07", "start_time": "23:07", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "23:11", "start_time": "23:07", "text": "If you're all in it just for money, it will be a shallow purpose." }, { "end_time": "23:12", "start_time": "23:11", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "23:26", "start_time": "23:12", "text": "If you are in it to figure out that you are solving a problem, you are adding something to an opposite party that is when the company will sustain and that is when the company will have a sort of a correct approach to what they are doing." }, { "end_time": "23:40", "start_time": "23:27", "text": "So overall I feel I mean as next steps it would be to work with more clients, to work with more talents and to in general expand the team so that we can open much more verticals in general." }, { "end_time": "23:40", "start_time": "23:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:41", "start_time": "23:40", "text": "So that would be the Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:43", "start_time": "23:41", "text": "That's the CEO talking." }, { "end_time": "23:44", "start_time": "23:43", "text": "I don't know what I am." }, { "end_time": "23:47", "start_time": "23:44", "text": "The CSO, chief strategy officer, chief mentoring officer." }, { "end_time": "23:55", "start_time": "23:48", "text": "The way I look at it on a very personal level is that I feel that, okay, now today there's 25 young kids working in this organization." }, { "end_time": "23:56", "start_time": "23:55", "text": "A lot of them are supporting their own families." }, { "end_time": "24:04", "start_time": "23:57", "text": "On a personal level, that's where I get my motivation from that, wait, you know, our hard work is creating income for so many families." }, { "end_time": "24:11", "start_time": "24:05", "text": "And going forward, we always have this dream of going up to 2,000 hires, 20,000 hires at some point." }, { "end_time": "24:15", "start_time": "24:11", "text": "And each of our core people in office will become leaders going forward." }, { "end_time": "24:23", "start_time": "24:15", "text": "So creating more leaders, creating way more employment, and overall adding a lot of money to the Indian business space that is how I am personally looking at." }, { "end_time": "24:24", "start_time": "24:23", "text": "Yeah, definitely." }, { "end_time": "24:38", "start_time": "24:24", "text": "I mean, I am extremely patriotic to this fact that I want to add much more revenue to the whole Indian ecosystem even though I had you know I was all set to apply for my masters and all of that." }, { "end_time": "24:51", "start_time": "24:38", "text": "But, I had sort of had this reckoning recently where I know that you know creating employment or creating opportunities being here in the country itself you doing a great sort of service to the nation." }, { "end_time": "25:01", "start_time": "24:51", "text": "I know not all of us can go to the front facing borderline and face some bullets and all of that, but we can all do our bits in our way to help our country." }, { "end_time": "25:04", "start_time": "25:02", "text": "Chapter 8, challenges." }, { "end_time": "25:12", "start_time": "25:05", "text": "So we know your 25 year goal, but as of now, what's your most difficult challenge on a personal level in terms of business?" }, { "end_time": "25:18", "start_time": "25:12", "text": "So I think the biggest personal challenge I have in, the business is that, just ensuring consistency." }, { "end_time": "25:19", "start_time": "25:19", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "25:23", "start_time": "25:19", "text": "After you're doing a similar job for, say, 6 month period to a year." }, { "end_time": "25:23", "start_time": "25:23", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "25:28", "start_time": "25:23", "text": "It at the end of the day still becomes monotonous no matter how much you love it." }, { "end_time": "25:31", "start_time": "25:28", "text": "So you need to understand how is it that you can do things differently." }, { "end_time": "25:39", "start_time": "25:31", "text": "What is it that you can tweak around to make sure that this is something new, this is something fresh that you're bringing on to the table." }, { "end_time": "25:42", "start_time": "25:39", "text": "I think that always remains to be the biggest challenge." }, { "end_time": "25:45", "start_time": "25:42", "text": "How do you keep yourself entertained while getting the work done?" }, { "end_time": "25:48", "start_time": "25:45", "text": "What's scaring you about working right now?" }, { "end_time": "25:51", "start_time": "25:48", "text": "Like, about this start up, what's the one thing that you feel?" }, { "end_time": "25:59", "start_time": "25:51", "text": "So I'm not fearing anything at the moment specifically, but I feel at the end of the day, that kick when you start off when you are at 0." }, { "end_time": "26:00", "start_time": "25:59", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "26:09", "start_time": "26:00", "text": "That should always sustain in your mind because if you start getting complacent when things are going in your favor, right, eventually that's the end of it." }, { "end_time": "26:14", "start_time": "26:09", "text": "I I just need to be blessed with a feeling, I had when I just started out." }, { "end_time": "26:17", "start_time": "26:14", "text": "You know, I want to be on my toes ticking all the time." }, { "end_time": "26:21", "start_time": "26:17", "text": "I don't want any complacency in my behavior or in my approach." }, { "end_time": "26:24", "start_time": "26:22", "text": "That is what will keep me going in a longer run." }, { "end_time": "26:25", "start_time": "26:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:29", "start_time": "26:25", "text": "And I'm knowing him, I'm pretty sure that he will be able to maintain that." }, { "end_time": "26:39", "start_time": "26:29", "text": "Like, if if 2 years and like a massive office like this, and this fancy space, and these fancy people around us couldn't spoil him, I'm pretty sure he's not gonna get spoiled going forward as well." }, { "end_time": "26:42", "start_time": "26:39", "text": "Chapter 9, our love story." }, { "end_time": "26:45", "start_time": "26:42", "text": "Let's go back to engineering college where we first met." }, { "end_time": "26:49", "start_time": "26:47", "text": "What was your first impression of working with me?" }, { "end_time": "26:52", "start_time": "26:50", "text": "And what value do you think I have added to your life as a cofounder?" }, { "end_time": "26:53", "start_time": "26:52", "text": "I'm not asking for myself." }, { "end_time": "26:57", "start_time": "26:53", "text": "I'm asking you to explain the value of a cofounder to Got it." }, { "end_time": "26:58", "start_time": "26:57", "text": "The general public." }, { "end_time": "27:02", "start_time": "26:58", "text": "Again, picking a co founder is super important." }, { "end_time": "27:05", "start_time": "27:02", "text": "They should either involve 3 things." }, { "end_time": "27:07", "start_time": "27:05", "text": "1 is either they're they're good with tech." }, { "end_time": "27:09", "start_time": "27:07", "text": "2, they have a great network." }, { "end_time": "27:11", "start_time": "27:09", "text": "Or 3, they're putting in some cash on table." }, { "end_time": "27:11", "start_time": "27:11", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "27:23", "start_time": "27:12", "text": "So technically speaking, the the second two things that the the last two things that we mentioned was, fit was was tick boxing for you." }, { "end_time": "27:27", "start_time": "27:23", "text": "You brought in the initial capital and you had a network that we could leverage on." }, { "end_time": "27:27", "start_time": "27:27", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "27:29", "start_time": "27:27", "text": "So that's how it started." }, { "end_time": "27:40", "start_time": "27:29", "text": "Values wise I think one thing I learned big time from Ranveer is that even though he comes off from a from a fairly well off family, he made sure he wanted to make his own name in the space." }, { "end_time": "27:47", "start_time": "27:41", "text": "He has been there at Joo Beach, at Carter Road all of that just distributing pamphlets to people to subscribe to his channel." }, { "end_time": "27:53", "start_time": "27:47", "text": "I do not know how many people know this, but he has been travelling in trains day in day out." }, { "end_time": "28:02", "start_time": "27:53", "text": "I know this is a very common thing to do in Bombay, but, this is at a phase where he was, facing near depression, right, but, he still kept going." }, { "end_time": "28:03", "start_time": "28:02", "text": "That is what I like about him." }, { "end_time": "28:05", "start_time": "28:03", "text": "He does not complain too much." }, { "end_time": "28:08", "start_time": "28:05", "text": "He is all about like going for it." }, { "end_time": "28:09", "start_time": "28:08", "text": "What is the next problem we are solving?" }, { "end_time": "28:11", "start_time": "28:09", "text": "How are we solving it?" }, { "end_time": "28:14", "start_time": "28:11", "text": "It's not about what is the problem and why is the problem." }, { "end_time": "28:16", "start_time": "28:14", "text": "It's about what can we do about it." }, { "end_time": "28:18", "start_time": "28:16", "text": "I think that's the biggest thing I learned from him." }, { "end_time": "28:23", "start_time": "28:18", "text": "And also, like, I feel the cofounders always kind of have an effect on the whole organization." }, { "end_time": "28:25", "start_time": "28:23", "text": "Like, the whole organization's culture becomes that." }, { "end_time": "28:29", "start_time": "28:25", "text": "So if that's what he's learned from me, I've learned like pure discipline from him." }, { "end_time": "28:40", "start_time": "28:29", "text": "Like just he's disciplined about like all aspects of his life and yes maybe I work hard and, you know, I execute but there was a lot of discipline that was lacking from my life, which I get from him and which the whole organization also gets on Viraj Sheit." }, { "end_time": "28:52", "start_time": "28:40", "text": "Like, when we see this guy working in the office, always answering call, always being in that, you know, high speed work mode, it kind of sets a tone on the rest of the organization as well, including even my editing team." }, { "end_time": "28:54", "start_time": "28:52", "text": "They're very inspired by mister Sheit." }, { "end_time": "28:55", "start_time": "28:54", "text": "So, yeah, man." }, { "end_time": "29:00", "start_time": "28:55", "text": "Like, I I I think we've we've just happened to find a great, like, partnership, like, we're very what's the word?" }, { "end_time": "29:02", "start_time": "29:00", "text": "Symbiotic, like Synergizing." }, { "end_time": "29:03", "start_time": "29:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:03", "start_time": "29:03", "text": "Whatever." }, { "end_time": "29:04", "start_time": "29:03", "text": "Whatever." }, { "end_time": "29:05", "start_time": "29:04", "text": "We have great synergy." }, { "end_time": "29:05", "start_time": "29:05", "text": "Compatible." }, { "end_time": "29:06", "start_time": "29:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:06", "start_time": "29:06", "text": "Compatible." }, { "end_time": "29:11", "start_time": "29:07", "text": "So, you know, with with selecting a cofounder, it is kind of like a marriage." }, { "end_time": "29:19", "start_time": "29:11", "text": "And, one other crucial thing about marrying someone in business is that your goals in the long term need to be aligned." }, { "end_time": "29:25", "start_time": "29:19", "text": "Like, if one guy just wants to earn, like, a little money and the other guy wants to build a Reliance Industries, that's not gonna work out." }, { "end_time": "29:27", "start_time": "29:26", "text": "Both you need to want to build a Reliance Industries." }, { "end_time": "29:30", "start_time": "29:27", "text": "Your end goal should be, again, should be the same." }, { "end_time": "29:31", "start_time": "29:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:36", "start_time": "29:31", "text": "It doesn't matter what is the path that's being taken because there will be multiple disagreements Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:37", "start_time": "29:36", "text": "All of that that come into the picture." }, { "end_time": "29:37", "start_time": "29:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:42", "start_time": "29:37", "text": "That's the thing, like, with disagreements, disagreements are gonna be there any relationship you have in work." }, { "end_time": "29:51", "start_time": "29:42", "text": "You in at work, you need to understand that if you're having disagreements, it's because both of you think that this is the best way forward for both of us together." }, { "end_time": "29:54", "start_time": "29:51", "text": "As in we both have the best interest in our mind Exactly." }, { "end_time": "29:58", "start_time": "29:54", "text": "But we just think in different parts and then we try understanding each other and then come to a conclusion." }, { "end_time": "30:01", "start_time": "29:58", "text": "And sometimes it may not be one of the 2 roads also." }, { "end_time": "30:02", "start_time": "30:01", "text": "It will be a 3rd road which is like a mid path." }, { "end_time": "30:11", "start_time": "30:03", "text": "And I mean, you need to have that sort of a relationship with your founder because, if it's a very yes man relationship, it's not adding value to either one of you." }, { "end_time": "30:14", "start_time": "30:11", "text": "You just need to make sure that both of you are thinking individually." }, { "end_time": "30:15", "start_time": "30:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:18", "start_time": "30:15", "text": "So that the best output comes on to the table and then we go forward." }, { "end_time": "30:19", "start_time": "30:18", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:22", "start_time": "30:19", "text": "So anyway, guys, that was a little bit of an inlet into Monk Entertainment." }, { "end_time": "30:29", "start_time": "30:23", "text": "What I'm really requesting you all is that you all kind of support us on our next venture, which is the Monk Entertainment social media handle." }, { "end_time": "30:35", "start_time": "30:29", "text": "So we're basically trying to create an education platform for you guys where we teach you all business from our perspectives." }, { "end_time": "30:39", "start_time": "30:36", "text": "So the members of Monk Entertainment themselves will be creating videos." }, { "end_time": "30:43", "start_time": "30:39", "text": "They'll be talking about a lot of the questions that you guys have in your heads." }, { "end_time": "30:46", "start_time": "30:44", "text": "So firstly, go and follow that page." }, { "end_time": "30:47", "start_time": "30:46", "text": "I've linked it down below." }, { "end_time": "30:48", "start_time": "30:47", "text": "It's an Instagram page." }, { "end_time": "30:51", "start_time": "30:48", "text": "Secondly, obviously, go and follow mister Sheyb's handles." }, { "end_time": "30:53", "start_time": "30:51", "text": "I've linked all of them down below." }, { "end_time": "31:00", "start_time": "30:53", "text": "And Viraj, one last message for anyone who's watching the video till this point because obviously, they're watching it till this point, they're intrigued by this concept of success." }, { "end_time": "31:01", "start_time": "31:00", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "31:07", "start_time": "31:01", "text": "So, I think closing points just make sure that you get things started and you keep at it." }, { "end_time": "31:08", "start_time": "31:07", "text": "That is the most important." }, { "end_time": "31:09", "start_time": "31:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:10", "start_time": "31:09", "text": "Be consistent." }, { "end_time": "31:15", "start_time": "31:10", "text": "I have in the last 2 years not even look back and see me are key catch all right." }, { "end_time": "31:16", "start_time": "31:15", "text": "Just keep building." }, { "end_time": "31:25", "start_time": "31:16", "text": "Just have an overarching longer vision of what you are doing, but, just keep one day at a time one day at a time and I am just getting started." }, { "end_time": "31:30", "start_time": "31:25", "text": "For anyone who is even slightly looking up to me, trust me." }, { "end_time": "31:31", "start_time": "31:30", "text": "I'm just getting started." }, { "end_time": "31:32", "start_time": "31:31", "text": "I'm learning every day." }, { "end_time": "31:39", "start_time": "31:33", "text": "And all the work that we're doing together, right, it's not even 1% of where we want to go." }, { "end_time": "31:43", "start_time": "31:39", "text": "So I think, at the end of the day, it's all about execution." }, { "end_time": "31:44", "start_time": "31:43", "text": "It's about doing the groundwork." }, { "end_time": "31:47", "start_time": "31:45", "text": "Get to the ground and keep executing." }, { "end_time": "31:52", "start_time": "31:47", "text": "Keep doing stuff because I know a lot of people who just like to think and not do." }, { "end_time": "31:56", "start_time": "31:53", "text": "After a point, analysis becomes paralysis Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:56", "start_time": "31:56", "text": "Of sorts." }, { "end_time": "31:56", "start_time": "31:56", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "31:57", "start_time": "31:56", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "31:59", "start_time": "31:57", "text": "Also, again, don't be negative about things." }, { "end_time": "32:02", "start_time": "31:59", "text": "We've seen really dark days and something we've not even spoken about in this interview." }, { "end_time": "32:06", "start_time": "32:03", "text": "But we've seen days that we genuinely felt like this company is not gonna work out." }, { "end_time": "32:08", "start_time": "32:06", "text": "Things aren't gonna work out for us." }, { "end_time": "32:09", "start_time": "32:08", "text": "We used to doubt it." }, { "end_time": "32:11", "start_time": "32:09", "text": "We used to have discussions where, are we doing the correct thing?" }, { "end_time": "32:15", "start_time": "32:11", "text": "But things eventually work out when you put your honest hard work into processes." }, { "end_time": "32:16", "start_time": "32:15", "text": "So that's his message." }, { "end_time": "32:18", "start_time": "32:16", "text": "This is my message as well." }, { "end_time": "32:21", "start_time": "32:18", "text": "And, until next time, guys, from Viraj Sheyit and Ranveer." }, { "end_time": "32:22", "start_time": "32:22", "text": "See you." }, { "end_time": "32:23", "start_time": "32:22", "text": "See you, guys." } ] }

[ { "content": "**Task Description:** \nYou are provided with a YouTube video transcript in JSON format, where each entry is synchronized with its respective timestamp. This transcript contains the spoken text along with its start and end times. Your objective is to generate high-quality, chapter-wise segments that accurately represent key points or transitions within the video.\n\n**Transcript JSON Format:** \nThe transcript is formatted as a list of dictionaries, where each dictionary represents a spoken sentence, including its text and corresponding start and end times.\n\n**Example Transcript:** \n```json\n[\n {\n \"text\": \"The narrative in the public eye is that you left working with the Modi government because your opinions weren't heard.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:07\"\n },\n {\n \"text\": \"I want to know your side of the story.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:08\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:10\"\n },\n ...\n]\n```\n\n**Your Task:** \nUsing the given transcript, generate a JSON output that breaks down the video into meaningful chapters. Each chapter should encapsulate a key segment of the video and be accompanied by a concise, informative title that reflects the essence of that segment.\n\n**Chapter JSON Format:** \nThe output should follow this structure:\n```json\n{\n \"chapters\": [\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"title\": \"Introduction and Opening Remarks\"\n },\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:07\",\n \"title\": \"Discussing the Exit from Modi Government\"\n },\n ...\n ]\n}\n```\n\n**Requirements:** \n1. **Identify Key Segments:** Extract significant portions of the transcript that represent shifts in topic, important discussions, or transitions in conversation.\n2. **Craft Informative Titles:** Each chapter title should be clear, engaging, and directly related to the content covered in that segment.\n3. **Preserve Time Stamps:** Ensure that each chapter's `start_time` corresponds to the first instance of a key topic or segment in the transcript.\n4. **Conciseness is Key:** While titles should be descriptive, avoid making them overly lengthy. Aim for a balance between informativeness and brevity.", "role": "system" }, { "content": "{'transcripts': array([{'end_time': '0:03', 'start_time': '0:00', 'text': 'Intelligent conversations only, ICO.'},\n {'end_time': '0:04', 'start_time': '0:04', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '0:04', 'start_time': '0:04', 'text': \"That's right.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:06', 'start_time': '0:04', 'text': 'The Bio Bises podcast is now here.'},\n {'end_time': '0:08', 'start_time': '0:06', 'text': \"We're not calling it the Bio Bises podcast.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:10', 'start_time': '0:08', 'text': \"We're calling it Monk Echat.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:11', 'start_time': '0:11', 'text': 'Why?'},\n {'end_time': '0:16', 'start_time': '0:11', 'text': \"Because Monk Entertainment is cofounded by myself and Viraj Sheh, who's also the cohost on this podcast.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:20', 'start_time': '0:17', 'text': \"It's gonna be all about topics which are a little controversial.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:25', 'start_time': '0:20', 'text': 'Maybe the occult, maybe kala jadu, maybe the government, maybe personal finances in detail.'},\n {'end_time': '0:29', 'start_time': '0:25', 'text': \"Not just start ups, not just motivation, but obviously because that's a part of my existence.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:31', 'start_time': '0:29', 'text': 'A bit of that is gonna be there.'},\n {'end_time': '0:44', 'start_time': '0:31', 'text': \"The first episode is all about how we built Munk Entertainment from the ground level up to where it is now, our future vision for Munk Entertainment, our own business insights, what we've learned from this world, and our failures in college, obviously.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:48', 'start_time': '0:44', 'text': \"It's going to be very deep, very intellectual conversations.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:55', 'start_time': '0:48', 'text': \"I feel that when I came to video content, I've already put out everything that I could, but now it's my turn to put out detailed information.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:57', 'start_time': '0:55', 'text': \"In my real life, I'm a very deep person.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:03', 'start_time': '0:57', 'text': 'I really enjoy deep conversations, and those same deep conversations are going to be put out for you guys now.'},\n {'end_time': '1:06', 'start_time': '1:03', 'text': 'Remember that each podcast is divided into chapters.'},\n {'end_time': '1:08', 'start_time': '1:06', 'text': 'So if you wanna skip to a chapter that you enjoy, go ahead.'},\n {'end_time': '1:12', 'start_time': '1:08', 'text': 'The chapter list is given down below in the description box.'},\n {'end_time': '1:14', 'start_time': '1:12', 'text': 'Check it out and make sure you support monkey chat.'},\n {'end_time': '1:17', 'start_time': '1:14', 'text': 'If you like this concept, give it a thumbs up.'},\n {'end_time': '1:18', 'start_time': '1:17', 'text': 'Give me more topic suggestions.'},\n {'end_time': '1:21', 'start_time': '1:18', 'text': 'But for now, enjoy episode 1.'},\n {'end_time': '1:22', 'start_time': '1:21', 'text': 'See you.'},\n {'end_time': '1:23', 'start_time': '1:23', 'text': 'Hey.'},\n {'end_time': '1:24', 'start_time': '1:23', 'text': \"What's good, you guys?\"},\n {'end_time': '1:26', 'start_time': '1:24', 'text': 'Welcome not to the Ranveer Show.'},\n {'end_time': '1:29', 'start_time': '1:26', 'text': \"This is a new property we're starting on beer biceps.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:36', 'start_time': '1:29', 'text': \"It's called monkey chat, co hosted by Randeera Labadia and Viraj Sheth, my co founder on Monkey Monk Entertainment.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:40', 'start_time': '1:36', 'text': 'Monkey chat, our podcast, is not just gonna be on business.'},\n {'end_time': '1:43', 'start_time': '1:40', 'text': \"It's not gonna be Ranveer show style where I just ask people questions about themselves.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:46', 'start_time': '1:44', 'text': 'Like, what is your purpose in life?'},\n {'end_time': '1:46', 'start_time': '1:46', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '1:47', 'start_time': '1:46', 'text': 'Not not things like that.'},\n {'end_time': '1:48', 'start_time': '1:47', 'text': 'We can talk about anything.'},\n {'end_time': '1:55', 'start_time': '1:48', 'text': \"So we'll even be talking about ghost stories, conspiracy theories, business lessons, life lessons, quantum physics.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:58', 'start_time': '1:55', 'text': \"Basically, anything that's value adding to you, an informative podcast.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:00', 'start_time': '1:58', 'text': 'Episode 1.'},\n {'end_time': '2:08', 'start_time': '2:00', 'text': \"This is episode 1 where I'll actually be talking to Viraj about what monkey does, what we've learned in the world of business.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:11', 'start_time': '2:08', 'text': \"And I'll kind of be introducing Viraj to you guys.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:13', 'start_time': '2:11', 'text': 'I just wanna give you all some background on mister Viraj Sheth.'},\n {'end_time': '2:16', 'start_time': '2:14', 'text': 'He is my junior from engineering college.'},\n {'end_time': '2:17', 'start_time': '2:16', 'text': 'He is also my co founder.'},\n {'end_time': '2:27', 'start_time': '2:17', 'text': \"We just happened to do a little bit of jugaad work together and eventually today, we're running an organization that's about 25, 30 people strong.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:27', 'start_time': '2:27', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '2:32', 'start_time': '2:27', 'text': \"He's also genuinely one of the most powerful people in the Indian YouTube community.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:40', 'start_time': '2:35', 'text': \"You name any big YouTuber and and chances are that Viraj Sheth has put money on that YouTuber's table.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:43', 'start_time': '2:40', 'text': 'So he manages some of the top YouTube talent in India today.'},\n {'end_time': '2:46', 'start_time': '2:43', 'text': 'His last 2 years have been full of hustle.'},\n {'end_time': '2:48', 'start_time': '2:46', 'text': \"He's a brother and we usually fool around a lot.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:52', 'start_time': '2:49', 'text': \"But on today's episode, we're gonna try inspiring you guys.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:54', 'start_time': '2:52', 'text': \"We're gonna try making it a little genuine.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:57', 'start_time': '2:54', 'text': 'So make it a little more sincere than we normally do.'},\n {'end_time': '2:57', 'start_time': '2:57', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '3:02', 'start_time': '2:57', 'text': \"Viraj Sheth, I'm gonna allow you to start with the story of how Monk Entertainment happened.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:06', 'start_time': '3:03', 'text': \"Because let me just tell you that 2 years back, we didn't have any office.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:07', 'start_time': '3:06', 'text': 'We were working out of my dining room.'},\n {'end_time': '3:08', 'start_time': '3:07', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '3:12', 'start_time': '3:08', 'text': \"So from there, we've kind of moved into an office with, like, 25 people.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:15', 'start_time': '3:12', 'text': 'And this has happened through, like, genuine hard work.'},\n {'end_time': '3:15', 'start_time': '3:15', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '3:24', 'start_time': '3:15', 'text': 'So quickly to give you guys a recap of the story, we start off Ranveer was my senior in college and, he was not the most fun senior for me.'},\n {'end_time': '3:27', 'start_time': '3:24', 'text': 'The first time I met Viraj, I actually bullied him.'},\n {'end_time': '3:33', 'start_time': '3:27', 'text': \"So I was, like, super buff in college, and he happened to drop a little sambar in the canteen, and a little bit of it fell on my friend's shoe.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:35', 'start_time': '3:33', 'text': 'So I just looked at him, all buff, and I was like, hey.'},\n {'end_time': '3:36', 'start_time': '3:36', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '3:45', 'start_time': '3:44', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '3:46', 'start_time': '3:45', 'text': \"So, yeah, that's how it started.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:47', 'start_time': '3:46', 'text': 'That was our first interaction.'},\n {'end_time': '3:53', 'start_time': '3:47', 'text': 'I was just trying to be that guy who, you know, goes to seniors and gets the whole vibe of the college.'},\n {'end_time': '3:56', 'start_time': '3:54', 'text': 'It was a first fresher and I participated.'},\n {'end_time': '3:57', 'start_time': '3:56', 'text': 'He was the host.'},\n {'end_time': '3:58', 'start_time': '3:57', 'text': \"That's how it started.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:01', 'start_time': '3:58', 'text': 'And then we started working together a lot more.'},\n {'end_time': '4:04', 'start_time': '4:01', 'text': 'We started doing internships together, back then.'},\n {'end_time': '4:07', 'start_time': '4:04', 'text': \"And then that's how we jared and we started working a lot.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:10', 'start_time': '4:07', 'text': 'We also lost touch, like, after college with YouTube and all that.'},\n {'end_time': '4:13', 'start_time': '4:10', 'text': 'I kind of just got into my own zone with work.'},\n {'end_time': '4:15', 'start_time': '4:13', 'text': 'Chapter 1, the monkey story.'},\n {'end_time': '4:20', 'start_time': '4:16', 'text': 'Eventually, I went back to DJ Sanghvi one day, our engineering college, and I met Viraj there.'},\n {'end_time': '4:26', 'start_time': '4:20', 'text': 'And at that phase of my life, I was really trying to increase the amount of money I was earning through YouTube.'},\n {'end_time': '4:32', 'start_time': '4:26', 'text': 'So I basically found the first Gujhu I found and said, bro, please help me help me make some money off this.'},\n {'end_time': '4:33', 'start_time': '4:32', 'text': 'So Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '4:41', 'start_time': '4:33', 'text': \"So that's how it again, we, rekindled the whole story how to work till I was a president in the esal of my college.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:48', 'start_time': '4:41', 'text': \"And I basically, you know, was doing it to get a certificate at the end of the day, and I didn't want to do it the whole traditional way.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:54', 'start_time': '4:48', 'text': \"So I I just called him up and said, well, actually don't have anyone to call for a talk now.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:56', 'start_time': '4:54', 'text': \"But you're doing something cool in your life.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:59', 'start_time': '4:56', 'text': \"And you're the most accessible person I have right now.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:05', 'start_time': '5:00', 'text': 'So can you come down and give a talk to these young kids about what is the whole situation with YouTube?'},\n {'end_time': '5:06', 'start_time': '5:05', 'text': 'Is it genuine?'},\n {'end_time': '5:10', 'start_time': '5:06', 'text': 'Does it, like, can you pursue it as a career, any of that?'},\n {'end_time': '5:10', 'start_time': '5:10', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '5:16', 'start_time': '5:10', 'text': \"So, technically, back then, going by the amount of money we used to get on YouTube back in the day, it wasn't really a genuine career.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:19', 'start_time': '5:18', 'text': \"I'm gonna put it out there.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:25', 'start_time': '5:19', 'text': 'I had probably, like, I think, 20,000 rupees or 30,000 rupees in my bank account when I met you back then.'},\n {'end_time': '5:26', 'start_time': '5:25', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '5:32', 'start_time': '5:26', 'text': 'And I think the I think the first brand deal we did of sorts was with this energy drink company.'},\n {'end_time': '5:35', 'start_time': '5:32', 'text': 'We did some 2, 3 Instagram posts.'},\n {'end_time': '5:36', 'start_time': '5:35', 'text': 'For 7,000 rupees a post.'},\n {'end_time': '5:37', 'start_time': '5:36', 'text': 'Stories.'},\n {'end_time': '5:38', 'start_time': '5:38', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '5:47', 'start_time': '5:38', 'text': 'For barely like 7,000 rupees, which I mean at that point felt like a fairly decent amount to me because we were just starting out.'},\n {'end_time': '5:52', 'start_time': '5:47', 'text': 'We we just started thinking, oh, you you get paid to take a picture and post it on social media.'},\n {'end_time': '5:53', 'start_time': '5:52', 'text': \"That's cool.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:53', 'start_time': '5:53', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '6:02', 'start_time': '5:53', 'text': \"That's when I had my meeting with Ranveer and, you know, he had super hyped it up and oversold it to me that bro this is the next big thing in the 5 years.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:04', 'start_time': '6:03', 'text': 'You will make a lot of money.'},\n {'end_time': '6:06', 'start_time': '6:04', 'text': 'Just jump into it.'},\n {'end_time': '6:13', 'start_time': '6:06', 'text': 'This is right when I already had one job offer in hand and I applied to insane universities in the US.'},\n {'end_time': '6:22', 'start_time': '6:13', 'text': \"That's when this guy enters my life and says that, you know, totally switch everything that you are going to do and jump into this, you know, unknown territory of media.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:30', 'start_time': '6:22', 'text': \"So I remember initially there were few meetings where I'd send Viraj and he really didn't know what to talk about, what to pitch, how to pitch, how to say that, listen, we have a YouTube channel.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:31', 'start_time': '6:30', 'text': 'You can actually put a brand on YouTube channel.'},\n {'end_time': '6:36', 'start_time': '6:31', 'text': 'And he made a fool of himself many times, but both of us actually learned through that difficult phase.'},\n {'end_time': '6:37', 'start_time': '6:37', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '6:44', 'start_time': '6:37', 'text': \"So to give you context, how it worked again then is I didn't know that, there was a way to reach to the brands.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:45', 'start_time': '6:44', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '6:48', 'start_time': '6:45', 'text': 'I used to directly reach out to the CEOs of each company.'},\n {'end_time': '6:52', 'start_time': '6:52', 'text': 'Rock.'},\n {'end_time': '6:53', 'start_time': '6:52', 'text': 'Rock.'},\n {'end_time': '6:53', 'start_time': '6:53', 'text': 'Rock.'},\n {'end_time': '6:57', 'start_time': '6:54', 'text': 'And say that, boss, we run a YouTube channel.'},\n {'end_time': '6:59', 'start_time': '6:57', 'text': 'This is the coolest form of marketing now.'},\n {'end_time': '7:01', 'start_time': '6:59', 'text': 'We have x y z number of followers.'},\n {'end_time': '7:03', 'start_time': '7:01', 'text': 'We will get x y z number of views.'},\n {'end_time': '7:06', 'start_time': '7:03', 'text': \"So why don't you come to our channel and it'll be a great fit?\"},\n {'end_time': '7:16', 'start_time': '7:06', 'text': 'So I had written thousands of cold emails and this is 2 years back when the whole situation of YouTube marketing was not, very new organized in India.'},\n {'end_time': '7:22', 'start_time': '7:17', 'text': 'So no one knew how do you work with YouTubers, how do you integrate your content pieces, all of that.'},\n {'end_time': '7:31', 'start_time': '7:22', 'text': \"So I've been in so many meetings where, first of all, I'm clueless how to start off it, how to take things forward, what would be the right dressing to go with.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:33', 'start_time': '7:31', 'text': \"All of that I've learned over a span of time.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:34', 'start_time': '7:34', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '7:42', 'start_time': '7:34', 'text': 'Also, you know, when they say that if you really wanna make a big business, you try understanding the waves that are going around in the market, the kind of waves of money that are rising.'},\n {'end_time': '7:43', 'start_time': '7:42', 'text': \"So that's pretty much what we did.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:50', 'start_time': '7:43', 'text': 'There was a wave of money that was falling into this YouTubing game, and we just caught our surfboards and started surfing.'},\n {'end_time': '7:54', 'start_time': '7:50', 'text': 'So we kind of were in the right place at the right time.'},\n {'end_time': '7:55', 'start_time': '7:54', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '8:09', 'start_time': '7:55', 'text': \"I think just success in general has a lot to do with being not just courageous enough to take the right step, but also luck plays in a factor where it it gets you to the right place at the right time and you need to grab that opportunity to make sure that you're riding that wave.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:10', 'start_time': '8:09', 'text': \"That's really what we did in general.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:11', 'start_time': '8:10', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '8:14', 'start_time': '8:11', 'text': \"We just took a gut call and said that let's go ahead.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:15', 'start_time': '8:14', 'text': \"Let's go full fledged into this.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:23', 'start_time': '8:15', 'text': 'I was actually doing a job back then when Ranveer said that, you know, I think we can take this full time, and I quit in 3 months.'},\n {'end_time': '8:28', 'start_time': '8:24', 'text': \"That's how we started the whole situation and started working full time on this.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:28', 'start_time': '8:28', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '8:30', 'start_time': '8:28', 'text': \"So I mean, that's called the power of focus.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:33', 'start_time': '8:30', 'text': 'He put all his focus into bringing more money into beer biceps.'},\n {'end_time': '8:34', 'start_time': '8:33', 'text': 'Eventually, it happened.'},\n {'end_time': '8:39', 'start_time': '8:34', 'text': 'Like, from that 7,000 rupees per post, I think the next d v went up to was, like, 25,000 rupees.'},\n {'end_time': '8:41', 'start_time': '8:39', 'text': 'And gradually, we kept going up.'},\n {'end_time': '8:47', 'start_time': '8:41', 'text': 'Eventually, all our friends on YouTube like, from Flying Beast.'},\n {'end_time': '8:48', 'start_time': '8:47', 'text': 'They all noticed and they were like, listen.'},\n {'end_time': '8:49', 'start_time': '8:48', 'text': \"Let's work together.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:53', 'start_time': '8:50', 'text': 'So we started manning even more people in an informal way.'},\n {'end_time': '8:55', 'start_time': '8:53', 'text': 'And once there were enough people, we figured, okay.'},\n {'end_time': '8:55', 'start_time': '8:55', 'text': 'Wait.'},\n {'end_time': '8:58', 'start_time': '8:55', 'text': 'Now we need to make this some kind of a company.'},\n {'end_time': '8:58', 'start_time': '8:58', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '9:01', 'start_time': '8:58', 'text': \"That we need to formalize it or else it wouldn't make sense.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:07', 'start_time': '9:01', 'text': 'When I was in my last job, I used to make calls, just do in in my day job.'},\n {'end_time': '9:14', 'start_time': '9:07', 'text': \"Like I I used to go to the washroom and make some calls and all of that and realize this this stuff isn't going to be long lasting.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:14', 'start_time': '9:14', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '9:16', 'start_time': '9:14', 'text': \"You can't be doing 2 jobs at once.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:19', 'start_time': '9:16', 'text': \"So we discussed that, you know, let's let's quit this.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:21', 'start_time': '9:19', 'text': \"Let's start a company, and let's formalize things.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:24', 'start_time': '9:21', 'text': \"Let's get legal papers done and all of that.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:25', 'start_time': '9:24', 'text': \"That's how we started.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:25', 'start_time': '9:25', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '9:32', 'start_time': '9:25', 'text': 'Also, I remember I had a lack of rupees in my bank account at this stage, and, I invested all of it in redoing my own garage.'},\n {'end_time': '9:39', 'start_time': '9:32', 'text': 'Like, we painted our garage, like, very cheaply with, like, the cheapest paint of the cheapest painters we could find, put in the cheapest possible furniture.'},\n {'end_time': '9:39', 'start_time': '9:39', 'text': 'I said, okay.'},\n {'end_time': '9:40', 'start_time': '9:39', 'text': 'We company.'},\n {'end_time': '9:46', 'start_time': '9:41', 'text': 'So it was a classic, you know, how they say whatever Apple and all of these started in garages.'},\n {'end_time': '9:47', 'start_time': '9:47', 'text': \"That's true.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:51', 'start_time': '9:47', 'text': \"I and we get the perspective that, you know, that's they wanted to cut cost.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:02', 'start_time': '9:51', 'text': 'They just wanted to have sufficient amount of, balance in their account to get the legal work done, to get a first few employees, to get some basic logistical stuff like your laptops, all of that.'},\n {'end_time': '10:02', 'start_time': '10:02', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '10:10', 'start_time': '10:03', 'text': 'But in saying that, I think that infrastructure, that space gave us a very kind of good platform for the company to get launched.'},\n {'end_time': '10:14', 'start_time': '10:10', 'text': 'So eventually, we got, like, the right people joining monkey.'},\n {'end_time': '10:16', 'start_time': '10:14', 'text': 'We got Neel Katar Navray, Jalak Raval initially.'},\n {'end_time': '10:18', 'start_time': '10:17', 'text': 'Rajas was obviously there.'},\n {'end_time': '10:25', 'start_time': '10:18', 'text': 'And, I think a bunch of just really good people started working really hard together because of the leader.'},\n {'end_time': '10:42', 'start_time': '10:25', 'text': \"So Viraj is the leader of both the organizations, beer biceps and Munk Entertainment, and he is the hardest working guy anyone of us has ever met in our lives because, I mean, even if you follow Buneck's story, recently Nick put up the story of Viraj, kind of he's gone to sleep with his phone in his hand.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:45', 'start_time': '10:42', 'text': 'He was texting, and he was that tired that he just, like, fell asleep.'},\n {'end_time': '10:47', 'start_time': '10:45', 'text': 'And and this is like a daily thing.'},\n {'end_time': '10:51', 'start_time': '10:47', 'text': \"He'll, you know, start his work the moment he wakes up at, like, 8:30, 9 AM.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:52', 'start_time': '10:51', 'text': \"He's answering calls.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:53', 'start_time': '10:52', 'text': \"He'll reach office at 11.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:59', 'start_time': '10:53', 'text': 'He will continue working probably leave office at like 1 AM, sometimes 3 AM in the morning and all that.'},\n {'end_time': '11:00', 'start_time': '10:59', 'text': \"He doesn't give himself enough credit for that.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:03', 'start_time': '11:00', 'text': 'No, I mean but that is completely not healthy.'},\n {'end_time': '11:09', 'start_time': '11:03', 'text': 'What I still feel is you should come in, at your right time, leave early if your work is done.'},\n {'end_time': '11:11', 'start_time': '11:09', 'text': \"Don't just be there in the office.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:22', 'start_time': '11:11', 'text': \"But there will be certain phases in your life when you you will have to stay back longer, do do longer things because when you're starting off, right, people expect you to have a USP of speed.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:22', 'start_time': '11:22', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '11:24', 'start_time': '11:22', 'text': 'Like, what is your credibility?'},\n {'end_time': '11:29', 'start_time': '11:24', 'text': \"I can go to 1,000 other people, but I'm gonna pick you because you're giving me speed.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:31', 'start_time': '11:29', 'text': 'You are taking the burden off of me.'},\n {'end_time': '11:31', 'start_time': '11:31', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '11:35', 'start_time': '11:31', 'text': \"So that's why, you need to have that bit of, leverage Yeah.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:36', 'start_time': '11:35', 'text': 'In in general.'},\n {'end_time': '11:39', 'start_time': '11:36', 'text': \"That's why it's we do what we do.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:41', 'start_time': '11:39', 'text': 'Chapter 2, the skills.'},\n {'end_time': '11:47', 'start_time': '11:41', 'text': 'So I also feel like what worked for Viraj above anything is definitely hard work and speed, but the other thing that really worked for him was Jugard.'},\n {'end_time': '11:47', 'start_time': '11:47', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '11:50', 'start_time': '11:47', 'text': 'And this is a very underrated aspect of this whole game.'},\n {'end_time': '11:52', 'start_time': '11:51', 'text': 'He cold emailed people.'},\n {'end_time': '11:53', 'start_time': '11:52', 'text': \"That's what you call it.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:53', 'start_time': '11:53', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '11:54', 'start_time': '11:53', 'text': 'Just cold emailed.'},\n {'end_time': '11:57', 'start_time': '11:54', 'text': 'And just, you know, made his way, like, in this world.'},\n {'end_time': '12:06', 'start_time': '11:57', 'text': 'Like, he just spoke to whoever he met, networked heavily, took information from his own network, and just learned the game as he was playing it.'},\n {'end_time': '12:08', 'start_time': '12:06', 'text': 'So he taught himself how to become the best batch.'},\n {'end_time': '12:13', 'start_time': '12:08', 'text': \"That's how you do do it and I mean, most of these youngsters these days are sort of figuring it out that way.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:13', 'start_time': '12:13', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '12:22', 'start_time': '12:13', 'text': 'Everyone, every new, inspiring say photographer, videographer, you know, editor I meet has most of these guys are all self taught.'},\n {'end_time': '12:27', 'start_time': '12:22', 'text': \"And that's that's been the whole story of millennials or people our age.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:27', 'start_time': '12:27', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '12:29', 'start_time': '12:27', 'text': 'That, you want to be self taught.'},\n {'end_time': '12:36', 'start_time': '12:29', 'text': \"You don't wanna be, you know, stuck to your own organizations and figure out this stuff yourself.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:39', 'start_time': '12:37', 'text': \"So that's how I went went ahead.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:42', 'start_time': '12:39', 'text': 'I realized, you know, what is the best way to reach to these agencies?'},\n {'end_time': '12:44', 'start_time': '12:42', 'text': 'What is the best way to reach to brands?'},\n {'end_time': '12:46', 'start_time': '12:44', 'text': 'How can we work with talents?'},\n {'end_time': '12:46', 'start_time': '12:46', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '12:50', 'start_time': '12:46', 'text': 'At the same time, yeah, grooming a talent or something Viraj focuses on a lot.'},\n {'end_time': '12:55', 'start_time': '12:50', 'text': 'So, see, from the perspective of YouTubers, all of us are basically children.'},\n {'end_time': '12:55', 'start_time': '12:55', 'text': 'Okay?'},\n {'end_time': '13:02', 'start_time': '12:55', 'text': \"We're kids inside and we do need a lot of guidance when it comes to the world of business, the world of YouTube business, the world of brand building.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:04', 'start_time': '13:02', 'text': \"So Viraj is someone who's a big brother to all of us.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:07', 'start_time': '13:04', 'text': \"He's, like, 2 years younger than myself, but I still can't remember him like my elder brother.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:08', 'start_time': '13:07', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '13:14', 'start_time': '13:08', 'text': \"So, again, what we did is we realized that, you know, let's keep the creative child in these guys active.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:19', 'start_time': '13:14', 'text': \"All the logistical admin finance work, let's move it on to someone else.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:21', 'start_time': '13:19', 'text': \"Let's keep that burden off to someone else.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:27', 'start_time': '13:21', 'text': \"That's how we figured that, you know, the whole management and manager aspect came into the picture then.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:34', 'start_time': '13:27', 'text': 'At the same time, I mean, see, he learned about this particular business, but he also learned about business in general.'},\n {'end_time': '13:41', 'start_time': '13:35', 'text': 'Like, how to actually grow an organization, how to hire the correct people, how to get rid of the wrong people.'},\n {'end_time': '13:46', 'start_time': '13:41', 'text': 'All these little things you learn as you are doing business, and you learn it through podcast, you learn through books.'},\n {'end_time': '13:53', 'start_time': '13:46', 'text': \"So when I say that you guys should listen to podcast, you guys should listen to books, I'm looking at Viraj's life, seeing what he's done correct and just putting it out there.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:55', 'start_time': '13:54', 'text': 'Completely self taught.'},\n {'end_time': '13:59', 'start_time': '13:56', 'text': \"I wanna ask Viraj my first question of this interview because we've just discussed Oh, shoot.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:04', 'start_time': '14:01', 'text': \"That what's been, like, the hardest aspect of all this?\"},\n {'end_time': '14:06', 'start_time': '14:04', 'text': 'Chapter 3, the struggles.'},\n {'end_time': '14:12', 'start_time': '14:07', 'text': 'I think one the most difficult aspect I keep talking about is is the hiring part right.'},\n {'end_time': '14:24', 'start_time': '14:12', 'text': \"It's extremely difficult to get the right mix of people because I see a lot of people talking about the fact that there is unemployment or there is not enough opportunities in the country in general.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:30', 'start_time': '14:25', 'text': 'I think personally the fact is that a lot of people donit want to grab on to the opportunities.'},\n {'end_time': '14:35', 'start_time': '14:31', 'text': 'Everyone has a very employee sort of perspective going forward.'},\n {'end_time': '14:35', 'start_time': '14:35', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '14:36', 'start_time': '14:35', 'text': \"Is that I'm coming in at 9.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:38', 'start_time': '14:36', 'text': 'I leave I wanna leave at 6.'},\n {'end_time': '14:45', 'start_time': '14:39', 'text': \"Initially, I feel you definitely should not have that attitude because you wanna give it your best shot at what you're doing.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:53', 'start_time': '14:45', 'text': \"You just want to learn, you want to keep adding more value because that's when you will get into the eyes of the higher hierarchy.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:58', 'start_time': '14:53', 'text': \"That's as simple as it is or you build your own thing, you innovate, you build a business around it.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:00', 'start_time': '14:58', 'text': \"So there's 2 ways to it.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:08', 'start_time': '15:00', 'text': \"But both of these ways, either being an entrepreneur or when you're being an entry level, job entrant is that you need to add value.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:10', 'start_time': '15:08', 'text': 'You need to show that you are in it.'},\n {'end_time': '15:12', 'start_time': '15:11', 'text': \"You're all in it.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:14', 'start_time': '15:12', 'text': 'Basically is what you need to show.'},\n {'end_time': '15:15', 'start_time': '15:14', 'text': 'Chapter 4 the rewards.'},\n {'end_time': '15:18', 'start_time': '15:16', 'text': \"So and what's been like the high of all this?\"},\n {'end_time': '15:21', 'start_time': '15:18', 'text': \"Like what's been the best aspect of this whole journey?\"},\n {'end_time': '15:26', 'start_time': '15:21', 'text': 'I think the high the biggest high is to get to meet a lot of super accomplished people.'},\n {'end_time': '15:33', 'start_time': '15:26', 'text': \"People who have the expertise the wisdom the knowledge to to do what they've been doing right.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:37', 'start_time': '15:33', 'text': 'And, normally people get to access this at a much elder age.'},\n {'end_time': '15:53', 'start_time': '15:37', 'text': \"I've been lucky enough to you know pick minds of some geniuses like, you know, people who are running huge organizations is something I feel is the biggest high I get because I can speak to them, on a one to one basis and see that.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:55', 'start_time': '15:53', 'text': \"So these are the problems I'm facing.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:58', 'start_time': '15:56', 'text': 'What is it that you think I should do?'},\n {'end_time': '16:00', 'start_time': '15:58', 'text': 'What is the direction I should be moving in?'},\n {'end_time': '16:06', 'start_time': '16:00', 'text': 'And as, your mentality stands now, how is it different from when you had just started out?'},\n {'end_time': '16:07', 'start_time': '16:06', 'text': 'The one biggest difference.'},\n {'end_time': '16:09', 'start_time': '16:07', 'text': \"I know there's like a ton of differences.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:09', 'start_time': '16:09', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '16:11', 'start_time': '16:09', 'text': \"But what's like the one like stark difference?\"},\n {'end_time': '16:15', 'start_time': '16:11', 'text': 'I think the biggest difference I see in myself is I was very under confident.'},\n {'end_time': '16:18', 'start_time': '16:16', 'text': \"I mean fairly so because I hadn't achieved anything.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:23', 'start_time': '16:18', 'text': \"I didn't know if I was going in the right space and all of that, but in general that should not be a factor.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:28', 'start_time': '16:23', 'text': 'You should just go and heads up just be just fake it till you make it.'},\n {'end_time': '16:28', 'start_time': '16:28', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '16:29', 'start_time': '16:28', 'text': \"That's how it works.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:33', 'start_time': '16:29', 'text': \"Be confident every time you're entering the room, make sure that you know your shit.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:34', 'start_time': '16:34', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '16:35', 'start_time': '16:34', 'text': \"And that's all that you need.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:35', 'start_time': '16:35', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '16:37', 'start_time': '16:35', 'text': \"That's what people will only value you.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:38', 'start_time': '16:37', 'text': '1, if you value yourself.'},\n {'end_time': '16:39', 'start_time': '16:38', 'text': 'Exactly.'},\n {'end_time': '16:45', 'start_time': '16:39', 'text': \"And 2, if you actually have enough value in here, if you've learned enough, if you have enough information that you can add into their life, then they'll value you.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:45', 'start_time': '16:45', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '16:50', 'start_time': '16:45', 'text': 'So, I think step up to that pedestal of being a person of value.'},\n {'end_time': '16:50', 'start_time': '16:50', 'text': 'Exactly.'},\n {'end_time': '16:52', 'start_time': '16:50', 'text': \"And that's how your real connections get made.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:55', 'start_time': '16:52', 'text': 'And one more crucial thing that we learned, and this is something we learned at Delhi airport, okay.'},\n {'end_time': '16:59', 'start_time': '16:55', 'text': 'So we were having a dosa, and this uncle came and started talking to us.'},\n {'end_time': '17:00', 'start_time': '16:59', 'text': \"He's like, you know, we've all suited up.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:02', 'start_time': '17:00', 'text': 'We were wearing suits and he said, who are you kid kids?'},\n {'end_time': '17:03', 'start_time': '17:02', 'text': 'And all your kids, you know, wearing suits.'},\n {'end_time': '17:05', 'start_time': '17:03', 'text': \"You're coming from some business conference.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:05', 'start_time': '17:05', 'text': 'He go, yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '17:09', 'start_time': '17:05', 'text': \"So he tells us that, okay, guys, I'll tell you all the biggest business lesson of my life.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:12', 'start_time': '17:09', 'text': 'Business in India is made through emotional connections.'},\n {'end_time': '17:16', 'start_time': '17:12', 'text': \"So I think that's something Viraj has also figured out in our industry especially.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:21', 'start_time': '17:16', 'text': \"You wanna make more money in life, you first become people's friends in the world of Indian business.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:24', 'start_time': '17:21', 'text': 'You make your business connections and money will follow.'},\n {'end_time': '17:26', 'start_time': '17:24', 'text': 'At the same time, be a person of value.'},\n {'end_time': '17:29', 'start_time': '17:26', 'text': 'So that even those connections want to be your friend.'},\n {'end_time': '17:31', 'start_time': '17:29', 'text': 'So would would that be a big learning for you?'},\n {'end_time': '17:31', 'start_time': '17:31', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '17:31', 'start_time': '17:31', 'text': '100%.'},\n {'end_time': '17:35', 'start_time': '17:31', 'text': 'So that is what our core value of the company is also been right.'},\n {'end_time': '17:44', 'start_time': '17:35', 'text': 'Even when we are working with talents, you are working with brands, we make sure that we understand what is it they want before, you know, getting all the paperwork done, getting them signed, all of that.'},\n {'end_time': '17:45', 'start_time': '17:44', 'text': \"That's secondary.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:49', 'start_time': '17:45', 'text': 'We need to understand are we connecting with the individual in the first place?'},\n {'end_time': '17:52', 'start_time': '17:49', 'text': 'Are we equipped enough to add value to their lives?'},\n {'end_time': '17:55', 'start_time': '17:52', 'text': \"What what is the biggest challenge or problem they're facing?\"},\n {'end_time': '18:02', 'start_time': '17:55', 'text': \"The again, like Gary v says, and I don't mean to sound make it sound very cliche, empathy is super important when it comes to business.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:02', 'start_time': '18:02', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '18:06', 'start_time': '18:02', 'text': \"You need to make sure you're not in it to be a shark only.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:06', 'start_time': '18:06', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '18:11', 'start_time': '18:06', 'text': \"Just, you know, go there to add value to collaborate, and that's how you will grow with them.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:12', 'start_time': '18:11', 'text': 'Chapter 5.'},\n {'end_time': '18:14', 'start_time': '18:12', 'text': \"But what's Monkey up to now, bro?\"},\n {'end_time': '18:22', 'start_time': '18:14', 'text': \"Now the next question I wanna ask you is as the cofounder of Monk Entertainment, I just wanna explain to you guys how we've divided our responsibilities as cofounders.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:28', 'start_time': '18:23', 'text': 'So Viraj would obviously be kind of the overall CEO of Monk Entertainment.'},\n {'end_time': '18:29', 'start_time': '18:28', 'text': \"He's the head of operations.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:33', 'start_time': '18:30', 'text': 'He gets the final say on all the key decisions, obviously.'},\n {'end_time': '18:35', 'start_time': '18:33', 'text': 'He, began the company.'},\n {'end_time': '18:38', 'start_time': '18:35', 'text': 'He ran it alone, you know, when there was no other person running the company.'},\n {'end_time': '18:40', 'start_time': '18:38', 'text': \"So he's the king of this organization.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:43', 'start_time': '18:41', 'text': \"I'm primarily in charge of culture.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:46', 'start_time': '18:43', 'text': 'I mentor the people who join in the monk entertainment.'},\n {'end_time': '18:51', 'start_time': '18:47', 'text': 'Overall, I set strategies for where the organization is headed.'},\n {'end_time': '18:56', 'start_time': '18:51', 'text': 'But if someone asks me, okay, what what are the activities that monk entertainment does?'},\n {'end_time': '18:56', 'start_time': '18:56', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '18:57', 'start_time': '18:56', 'text': \"I'll always tell them, wait.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:01', 'start_time': '18:57', 'text': \"Speak to Viraj because he's more in the loop about, these things.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:04', 'start_time': '19:01', 'text': 'So, Viraj, what does monk entertainment do?'},\n {'end_time': '19:08', 'start_time': '19:04', 'text': 'And how have we been able to create, an office of, like, 25, 30 kids?'},\n {'end_time': '19:13', 'start_time': '19:08', 'text': 'So how we started is again, we realized that we were already working with talents now.'},\n {'end_time': '19:17', 'start_time': '19:13', 'text': 'We were adding value both monetary, brand wise, all of that.'},\n {'end_time': '19:21', 'start_time': '19:18', 'text': 'Then we realized that, wait there is a gap.'},\n {'end_time': '19:29', 'start_time': '19:21', 'text': 'It is not just the talents who do not understand how to work with brands, but it also is the brands who do not understand how to work with youtubers right.'},\n {'end_time': '19:35', 'start_time': '19:29', 'text': \"They do not know what are the right creators to work with, they do not know how to spend it, They don't know what are the market rates of these guys.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:37', 'start_time': '19:35', 'text': \"They don't know what platforms to leverage.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:40', 'start_time': '19:37', 'text': 'A lot of brands are not digitally equipped as yet.'},\n {'end_time': '19:43', 'start_time': '19:40', 'text': \"They don't know how what is a swipe up story.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:45', 'start_time': '19:43', 'text': \"They don't know how to use a hashtag in a tweet.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:45', 'start_time': '19:45', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '19:50', 'start_time': '19:45', 'text': \"I think like, people our age know these things better because we've we're the generation that's grown up with all these around us.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:51', 'start_time': '19:50', 'text': 'Exactly.'},\n {'end_time': '19:52', 'start_time': '19:51', 'text': \"So it's a part of our daily lives.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:54', 'start_time': '19:52', 'text': 'I mean, social media was part of our daily lives.'},\n {'end_time': '19:54', 'start_time': '19:54', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '19:59', 'start_time': '19:54', 'text': 'I mean, you grew up, you bought a smartphone, you grew up in the smartphone age.'},\n {'end_time': '20:06', 'start_time': '19:59', 'text': \"The 2 top 3 apps that you've downloaded are essentially Facebook, Instagram, and probably Twitter or, I don't know, Snapchat.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:08', 'start_time': '20:06', 'text': 'So we know we use these on a daily.'},\n {'end_time': '20:10', 'start_time': '20:08', 'text': 'So naturally, we know how this works.'},\n {'end_time': '20:20', 'start_time': '20:10', 'text': 'A lot of the elder people, people who are running organizations was CMOs, CXOs in these companies they are not so well worst with it because they do not use it on a daily right.'},\n {'end_time': '20:30', 'start_time': '20:20', 'text': 'So, to cut it short what we do is we work with trends to help them understand how to work with talents, we work with talents to make them understand how we can work with brands.'},\n {'end_time': '20:46', 'start_time': '20:31', 'text': 'And in all of this we also basically do everything else that comes on digital like social media management, video production Everything content related is what Monk Entertainment looks at so that all of it can can come under one umbrella.'},\n {'end_time': '20:52', 'start_time': '20:46', 'text': 'So tomorrow if a brand comes to me and says that I have x amount to spend on content, I can tell them, okay.'},\n {'end_time': '20:54', 'start_time': '20:52', 'text': 'These are the talents you should work with.'},\n {'end_time': '20:56', 'start_time': '20:54', 'text': 'These are the platforms you should work on.'},\n {'end_time': '21:03', 'start_time': '20:56', 'text': 'This is the branded content you should make beyond using influencers, and this is how you should maintain your social media pieces.'},\n {'end_time': '21:03', 'start_time': '21:03', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '21:04', 'start_time': '21:03', 'text': 'And we can do all of that for you.'},\n {'end_time': '21:06', 'start_time': '21:04', 'text': 'This is like your one stop play.'},\n {'end_time': '21:07', 'start_time': '21:06', 'text': 'Chapter 6.'},\n {'end_time': '21:09', 'start_time': '21:08', 'text': 'How you learned all this?'},\n {'end_time': '21:14', 'start_time': '21:09', 'text': 'So, also a lot of you all might be looking at this video and saying, how did you all figure all these things?'},\n {'end_time': '21:15', 'start_time': '21:14', 'text': 'It was one step at a time.'},\n {'end_time': '21:17', 'start_time': '21:15', 'text': 'It began just with influencer marketing.'},\n {'end_time': '21:25', 'start_time': '21:17', 'text': 'In in fact, it began just with managing me, then it went to influencer marketing, then we started helping brands with other, you know, influencer campaigns, digital campaigns.'},\n {'end_time': '21:30', 'start_time': '21:26', 'text': 'Then we figured, okay, brands need social media, so we began a social media unit in the organization.'},\n {'end_time': '21:32', 'start_time': '21:30', 'text': 'So it was just one step at a time.'},\n {'end_time': '21:35', 'start_time': '21:32', 'text': \"Don't ever let these business stories, you know, overwhelm you.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:38', 'start_time': '21:35', 'text': 'Like, you know, I used to get overwhelmed when I should read all these business stories.'},\n {'end_time': '21:41', 'start_time': '21:40', 'text': 'Exactly.'},\n {'end_time': '21:57', 'start_time': '21:41', 'text': 'And a lot of the stuff you read on the Internet and newspapers and all of that is when you read them, make sure you read through the lines because a lot of the times these figures are bloated that x company got a 100,000,000,000 valuation or $1,000,000,000 valuation all of that is alright.'},\n {'end_time': '22:04', 'start_time': '21:58', 'text': 'You need to see that what is the companyis core problem solving agenda like what is the problem they are solving.'},\n {'end_time': '22:07', 'start_time': '22:04', 'text': 'Ola at the end of the day takes you from point a to point b.'},\n {'end_time': '22:11', 'start_time': '22:07', 'text': 'So, they are making sure that they solve your problem of travelling.'},\n {'end_time': '22:28', 'start_time': '22:11', 'text': 'Airbnb is making travel fun like they are giving you an experience for example, what is it that we do we make sure that agencies or brands lives are made easier by being the one stop solution in terms of digital solutions that is what the model is.'},\n {'end_time': '22:36', 'start_time': '22:28', 'text': 'Now how do you scale up from that is you build a team around it, you network, you work with more brands, they will recommend you you do other brands.'},\n {'end_time': '22:38', 'start_time': '22:36', 'text': 'Your work speaks at the end of the day.'},\n {'end_time': '22:40', 'start_time': '22:38', 'text': 'That is really all.'},\n {'end_time': '22:42', 'start_time': '22:40', 'text': 'Chapter 7, the future.'},\n {'end_time': '22:43', 'start_time': '22:43', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '22:46', 'start_time': '22:43', 'text': 'Now, Viraj, where do you see Monk Entertainment going?'},\n {'end_time': '22:49', 'start_time': '22:46', 'text': \"Not 5 years from now, but I'm gonna say 25 years from now.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:50', 'start_time': '22:49', 'text': 'Where do you see it?'},\n {'end_time': '22:55', 'start_time': '22:50', 'text': 'I think what we wanna do eventually is, like all companies, we wanna build a legacy.'},\n {'end_time': '22:55', 'start_time': '22:55', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '22:59', 'start_time': '22:55', 'text': 'It should work without me, him, anyone else being in the company or not.'},\n {'end_time': '23:07', 'start_time': '22:59', 'text': 'The company should stay at the end of the day and that will only happen if the if the purpose and the agenda of the company is in the right direction.'},\n {'end_time': '23:07', 'start_time': '23:07', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '23:11', 'start_time': '23:07', 'text': \"If you're all in it just for money, it will be a shallow purpose.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:12', 'start_time': '23:11', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '23:26', 'start_time': '23:12', 'text': 'If you are in it to figure out that you are solving a problem, you are adding something to an opposite party that is when the company will sustain and that is when the company will have a sort of a correct approach to what they are doing.'},\n {'end_time': '23:40', 'start_time': '23:27', 'text': 'So overall I feel I mean as next steps it would be to work with more clients, to work with more talents and to in general expand the team so that we can open much more verticals in general.'},\n {'end_time': '23:40', 'start_time': '23:40', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '23:41', 'start_time': '23:40', 'text': 'So that would be the Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '23:43', 'start_time': '23:41', 'text': \"That's the CEO talking.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:44', 'start_time': '23:43', 'text': \"I don't know what I am.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:47', 'start_time': '23:44', 'text': 'The CSO, chief strategy officer, chief mentoring officer.'},\n {'end_time': '23:55', 'start_time': '23:48', 'text': \"The way I look at it on a very personal level is that I feel that, okay, now today there's 25 young kids working in this organization.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:56', 'start_time': '23:55', 'text': 'A lot of them are supporting their own families.'},\n {'end_time': '24:04', 'start_time': '23:57', 'text': \"On a personal level, that's where I get my motivation from that, wait, you know, our hard work is creating income for so many families.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:11', 'start_time': '24:05', 'text': 'And going forward, we always have this dream of going up to 2,000 hires, 20,000 hires at some point.'},\n {'end_time': '24:15', 'start_time': '24:11', 'text': 'And each of our core people in office will become leaders going forward.'},\n {'end_time': '24:23', 'start_time': '24:15', 'text': 'So creating more leaders, creating way more employment, and overall adding a lot of money to the Indian business space that is how I am personally looking at.'},\n {'end_time': '24:24', 'start_time': '24:23', 'text': 'Yeah, definitely.'},\n {'end_time': '24:38', 'start_time': '24:24', 'text': 'I mean, I am extremely patriotic to this fact that I want to add much more revenue to the whole Indian ecosystem even though I had you know I was all set to apply for my masters and all of that.'},\n {'end_time': '24:51', 'start_time': '24:38', 'text': 'But, I had sort of had this reckoning recently where I know that you know creating employment or creating opportunities being here in the country itself you doing a great sort of service to the nation.'},\n {'end_time': '25:01', 'start_time': '24:51', 'text': 'I know not all of us can go to the front facing borderline and face some bullets and all of that, but we can all do our bits in our way to help our country.'},\n {'end_time': '25:04', 'start_time': '25:02', 'text': 'Chapter 8, challenges.'},\n {'end_time': '25:12', 'start_time': '25:05', 'text': \"So we know your 25 year goal, but as of now, what's your most difficult challenge on a personal level in terms of business?\"},\n {'end_time': '25:18', 'start_time': '25:12', 'text': 'So I think the biggest personal challenge I have in, the business is that, just ensuring consistency.'},\n {'end_time': '25:19', 'start_time': '25:19', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '25:23', 'start_time': '25:19', 'text': \"After you're doing a similar job for, say, 6 month period to a year.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:23', 'start_time': '25:23', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '25:28', 'start_time': '25:23', 'text': 'It at the end of the day still becomes monotonous no matter how much you love it.'},\n {'end_time': '25:31', 'start_time': '25:28', 'text': 'So you need to understand how is it that you can do things differently.'},\n {'end_time': '25:39', 'start_time': '25:31', 'text': \"What is it that you can tweak around to make sure that this is something new, this is something fresh that you're bringing on to the table.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:42', 'start_time': '25:39', 'text': 'I think that always remains to be the biggest challenge.'},\n {'end_time': '25:45', 'start_time': '25:42', 'text': 'How do you keep yourself entertained while getting the work done?'},\n {'end_time': '25:48', 'start_time': '25:45', 'text': \"What's scaring you about working right now?\"},\n {'end_time': '25:51', 'start_time': '25:48', 'text': \"Like, about this start up, what's the one thing that you feel?\"},\n {'end_time': '25:59', 'start_time': '25:51', 'text': \"So I'm not fearing anything at the moment specifically, but I feel at the end of the day, that kick when you start off when you are at 0.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:00', 'start_time': '25:59', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '26:09', 'start_time': '26:00', 'text': \"That should always sustain in your mind because if you start getting complacent when things are going in your favor, right, eventually that's the end of it.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:14', 'start_time': '26:09', 'text': 'I I just need to be blessed with a feeling, I had when I just started out.'},\n {'end_time': '26:17', 'start_time': '26:14', 'text': 'You know, I want to be on my toes ticking all the time.'},\n {'end_time': '26:21', 'start_time': '26:17', 'text': \"I don't want any complacency in my behavior or in my approach.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:24', 'start_time': '26:22', 'text': 'That is what will keep me going in a longer run.'},\n {'end_time': '26:25', 'start_time': '26:24', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '26:29', 'start_time': '26:25', 'text': \"And I'm knowing him, I'm pretty sure that he will be able to maintain that.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:39', 'start_time': '26:29', 'text': \"Like, if if 2 years and like a massive office like this, and this fancy space, and these fancy people around us couldn't spoil him, I'm pretty sure he's not gonna get spoiled going forward as well.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:42', 'start_time': '26:39', 'text': 'Chapter 9, our love story.'},\n {'end_time': '26:45', 'start_time': '26:42', 'text': \"Let's go back to engineering college where we first met.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:49', 'start_time': '26:47', 'text': 'What was your first impression of working with me?'},\n {'end_time': '26:52', 'start_time': '26:50', 'text': 'And what value do you think I have added to your life as a cofounder?'},\n {'end_time': '26:53', 'start_time': '26:52', 'text': \"I'm not asking for myself.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:57', 'start_time': '26:53', 'text': \"I'm asking you to explain the value of a cofounder to Got it.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:58', 'start_time': '26:57', 'text': 'The general public.'},\n {'end_time': '27:02', 'start_time': '26:58', 'text': 'Again, picking a co founder is super important.'},\n {'end_time': '27:05', 'start_time': '27:02', 'text': 'They should either involve 3 things.'},\n {'end_time': '27:07', 'start_time': '27:05', 'text': \"1 is either they're they're good with tech.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:09', 'start_time': '27:07', 'text': '2, they have a great network.'},\n {'end_time': '27:11', 'start_time': '27:09', 'text': \"Or 3, they're putting in some cash on table.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:11', 'start_time': '27:11', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '27:23', 'start_time': '27:12', 'text': 'So technically speaking, the the second two things that the the last two things that we mentioned was, fit was was tick boxing for you.'},\n {'end_time': '27:27', 'start_time': '27:23', 'text': 'You brought in the initial capital and you had a network that we could leverage on.'},\n {'end_time': '27:27', 'start_time': '27:27', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '27:29', 'start_time': '27:27', 'text': \"So that's how it started.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:40', 'start_time': '27:29', 'text': 'Values wise I think one thing I learned big time from Ranveer is that even though he comes off from a from a fairly well off family, he made sure he wanted to make his own name in the space.'},\n {'end_time': '27:47', 'start_time': '27:41', 'text': 'He has been there at Joo Beach, at Carter Road all of that just distributing pamphlets to people to subscribe to his channel.'},\n {'end_time': '27:53', 'start_time': '27:47', 'text': 'I do not know how many people know this, but he has been travelling in trains day in day out.'},\n {'end_time': '28:02', 'start_time': '27:53', 'text': 'I know this is a very common thing to do in Bombay, but, this is at a phase where he was, facing near depression, right, but, he still kept going.'},\n {'end_time': '28:03', 'start_time': '28:02', 'text': 'That is what I like about him.'},\n {'end_time': '28:05', 'start_time': '28:03', 'text': 'He does not complain too much.'},\n {'end_time': '28:08', 'start_time': '28:05', 'text': 'He is all about like going for it.'},\n {'end_time': '28:09', 'start_time': '28:08', 'text': 'What is the next problem we are solving?'},\n {'end_time': '28:11', 'start_time': '28:09', 'text': 'How are we solving it?'},\n {'end_time': '28:14', 'start_time': '28:11', 'text': \"It's not about what is the problem and why is the problem.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:16', 'start_time': '28:14', 'text': \"It's about what can we do about it.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:18', 'start_time': '28:16', 'text': \"I think that's the biggest thing I learned from him.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:23', 'start_time': '28:18', 'text': 'And also, like, I feel the cofounders always kind of have an effect on the whole organization.'},\n {'end_time': '28:25', 'start_time': '28:23', 'text': \"Like, the whole organization's culture becomes that.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:29', 'start_time': '28:25', 'text': \"So if that's what he's learned from me, I've learned like pure discipline from him.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:40', 'start_time': '28:29', 'text': \"Like just he's disciplined about like all aspects of his life and yes maybe I work hard and, you know, I execute but there was a lot of discipline that was lacking from my life, which I get from him and which the whole organization also gets on Viraj Sheit.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:52', 'start_time': '28:40', 'text': 'Like, when we see this guy working in the office, always answering call, always being in that, you know, high speed work mode, it kind of sets a tone on the rest of the organization as well, including even my editing team.'},\n {'end_time': '28:54', 'start_time': '28:52', 'text': \"They're very inspired by mister Sheit.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:55', 'start_time': '28:54', 'text': 'So, yeah, man.'},\n {'end_time': '29:00', 'start_time': '28:55', 'text': \"Like, I I I think we've we've just happened to find a great, like, partnership, like, we're very what's the word?\"},\n {'end_time': '29:02', 'start_time': '29:00', 'text': 'Symbiotic, like Synergizing.'},\n {'end_time': '29:03', 'start_time': '29:03', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '29:03', 'start_time': '29:03', 'text': 'Whatever.'},\n {'end_time': '29:04', 'start_time': '29:03', 'text': 'Whatever.'},\n {'end_time': '29:05', 'start_time': '29:04', 'text': 'We have great synergy.'},\n {'end_time': '29:05', 'start_time': '29:05', 'text': 'Compatible.'},\n {'end_time': '29:06', 'start_time': '29:05', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '29:06', 'start_time': '29:06', 'text': 'Compatible.'},\n {'end_time': '29:11', 'start_time': '29:07', 'text': 'So, you know, with with selecting a cofounder, it is kind of like a marriage.'},\n {'end_time': '29:19', 'start_time': '29:11', 'text': 'And, one other crucial thing about marrying someone in business is that your goals in the long term need to be aligned.'},\n {'end_time': '29:25', 'start_time': '29:19', 'text': \"Like, if one guy just wants to earn, like, a little money and the other guy wants to build a Reliance Industries, that's not gonna work out.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:27', 'start_time': '29:26', 'text': 'Both you need to want to build a Reliance Industries.'},\n {'end_time': '29:30', 'start_time': '29:27', 'text': 'Your end goal should be, again, should be the same.'},\n {'end_time': '29:31', 'start_time': '29:30', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '29:36', 'start_time': '29:31', 'text': \"It doesn't matter what is the path that's being taken because there will be multiple disagreements Yeah.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:37', 'start_time': '29:36', 'text': 'All of that that come into the picture.'},\n {'end_time': '29:37', 'start_time': '29:37', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '29:42', 'start_time': '29:37', 'text': \"That's the thing, like, with disagreements, disagreements are gonna be there any relationship you have in work.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:51', 'start_time': '29:42', 'text': \"You in at work, you need to understand that if you're having disagreements, it's because both of you think that this is the best way forward for both of us together.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:54', 'start_time': '29:51', 'text': 'As in we both have the best interest in our mind Exactly.'},\n {'end_time': '29:58', 'start_time': '29:54', 'text': 'But we just think in different parts and then we try understanding each other and then come to a conclusion.'},\n {'end_time': '30:01', 'start_time': '29:58', 'text': 'And sometimes it may not be one of the 2 roads also.'},\n {'end_time': '30:02', 'start_time': '30:01', 'text': 'It will be a 3rd road which is like a mid path.'},\n {'end_time': '30:11', 'start_time': '30:03', 'text': \"And I mean, you need to have that sort of a relationship with your founder because, if it's a very yes man relationship, it's not adding value to either one of you.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:14', 'start_time': '30:11', 'text': 'You just need to make sure that both of you are thinking individually.'},\n {'end_time': '30:15', 'start_time': '30:15', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '30:18', 'start_time': '30:15', 'text': 'So that the best output comes on to the table and then we go forward.'},\n {'end_time': '30:19', 'start_time': '30:18', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '30:22', 'start_time': '30:19', 'text': 'So anyway, guys, that was a little bit of an inlet into Monk Entertainment.'},\n {'end_time': '30:29', 'start_time': '30:23', 'text': \"What I'm really requesting you all is that you all kind of support us on our next venture, which is the Monk Entertainment social media handle.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:35', 'start_time': '30:29', 'text': \"So we're basically trying to create an education platform for you guys where we teach you all business from our perspectives.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:39', 'start_time': '30:36', 'text': 'So the members of Monk Entertainment themselves will be creating videos.'},\n {'end_time': '30:43', 'start_time': '30:39', 'text': \"They'll be talking about a lot of the questions that you guys have in your heads.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:46', 'start_time': '30:44', 'text': 'So firstly, go and follow that page.'},\n {'end_time': '30:47', 'start_time': '30:46', 'text': \"I've linked it down below.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:48', 'start_time': '30:47', 'text': \"It's an Instagram page.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:51', 'start_time': '30:48', 'text': \"Secondly, obviously, go and follow mister Sheyb's handles.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:53', 'start_time': '30:51', 'text': \"I've linked all of them down below.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:00', 'start_time': '30:53', 'text': \"And Viraj, one last message for anyone who's watching the video till this point because obviously, they're watching it till this point, they're intrigued by this concept of success.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:01', 'start_time': '31:00', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '31:07', 'start_time': '31:01', 'text': 'So, I think closing points just make sure that you get things started and you keep at it.'},\n {'end_time': '31:08', 'start_time': '31:07', 'text': 'That is the most important.'},\n {'end_time': '31:09', 'start_time': '31:09', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '31:10', 'start_time': '31:09', 'text': 'Be consistent.'},\n {'end_time': '31:15', 'start_time': '31:10', 'text': 'I have in the last 2 years not even look back and see me are key catch all right.'},\n {'end_time': '31:16', 'start_time': '31:15', 'text': 'Just keep building.'},\n {'end_time': '31:25', 'start_time': '31:16', 'text': 'Just have an overarching longer vision of what you are doing, but, just keep one day at a time one day at a time and I am just getting started.'},\n {'end_time': '31:30', 'start_time': '31:25', 'text': 'For anyone who is even slightly looking up to me, trust me.'},\n {'end_time': '31:31', 'start_time': '31:30', 'text': \"I'm just getting started.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:32', 'start_time': '31:31', 'text': \"I'm learning every day.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:39', 'start_time': '31:33', 'text': \"And all the work that we're doing together, right, it's not even 1% of where we want to go.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:43', 'start_time': '31:39', 'text': \"So I think, at the end of the day, it's all about execution.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:44', 'start_time': '31:43', 'text': \"It's about doing the groundwork.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:47', 'start_time': '31:45', 'text': 'Get to the ground and keep executing.'},\n {'end_time': '31:52', 'start_time': '31:47', 'text': 'Keep doing stuff because I know a lot of people who just like to think and not do.'},\n {'end_time': '31:56', 'start_time': '31:53', 'text': 'After a point, analysis becomes paralysis Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '31:56', 'start_time': '31:56', 'text': 'Of sorts.'},\n {'end_time': '31:56', 'start_time': '31:56', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '31:57', 'start_time': '31:56', 'text': '100%.'},\n {'end_time': '31:59', 'start_time': '31:57', 'text': \"Also, again, don't be negative about things.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:02', 'start_time': '31:59', 'text': \"We've seen really dark days and something we've not even spoken about in this interview.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:06', 'start_time': '32:03', 'text': \"But we've seen days that we genuinely felt like this company is not gonna work out.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:08', 'start_time': '32:06', 'text': \"Things aren't gonna work out for us.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:09', 'start_time': '32:08', 'text': 'We used to doubt it.'},\n {'end_time': '32:11', 'start_time': '32:09', 'text': 'We used to have discussions where, are we doing the correct thing?'},\n {'end_time': '32:15', 'start_time': '32:11', 'text': 'But things eventually work out when you put your honest hard work into processes.'},\n {'end_time': '32:16', 'start_time': '32:15', 'text': \"So that's his message.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:18', 'start_time': '32:16', 'text': 'This is my message as well.'},\n {'end_time': '32:21', 'start_time': '32:18', 'text': 'And, until next time, guys, from Viraj Sheyit and Ranveer.'},\n {'end_time': '32:22', 'start_time': '32:22', 'text': 'See you.'},\n {'end_time': '32:23', 'start_time': '32:22', 'text': 'See you, guys.'}],\n dtype=object)}", "role": "user" }, { "content": "{'chapters': array([{'start_time': '00:00', 'title': 'Introduction'},\n {'start_time': '04:15', 'title': 'Monk-E Story'},\n {'start_time': '11:40', 'title': 'Skills'},\n {'start_time': '14:06', 'title': 'The Struggles'},\n {'start_time': '15:15', 'title': 'The Rewards'},\n {'start_time': '18:13', 'title': 'What does Monk-E currently do?'},\n {'start_time': '21:07', 'title': 'How did you learn this?'},\n {'start_time': '22:40', 'title': 'The Future'},\n 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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:05", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "The theme of the monkey chat podcast is intelligent conversations only, ICO." }, { "end_time": "0:10", "start_time": "0:05", "text": "In today's episode, we're talking about Indian history, but not the boring Indian history you read about in your textbooks." }, { "end_time": "0:17", "start_time": "0:11", "text": "Interesting, value adding Indian history that'll actually make you a very person if you go out for social situations and you bring up these topics." }, { "end_time": "0:20", "start_time": "0:17", "text": "We featured doctor Radhakrishnan Pillai in today's episode." }, { "end_time": "0:21", "start_time": "0:20", "text": "He's a big mentor to me." }, { "end_time": "0:24", "start_time": "0:21", "text": "He's also one of the smartest human beings I've ever met in my life." }, { "end_time": "0:27", "start_time": "0:24", "text": "He's one of the most well read Indians you'll ever come across." }, { "end_time": "0:36", "start_time": "0:28", "text": "Trust me, in this episode, it's only unadulterated information, not like your boring history textbooks, but in a fun monkey chat episode 2 podcast." }, { "end_time": "0:37", "start_time": "0:37", "text": "Let's go." }, { "end_time": "0:40", "start_time": "0:39", "text": "Crazy stories from Indian history." }, { "end_time": "0:46", "start_time": "0:40", "text": "If you wanna learn history in a much more fun way, we've got the person for you, doctor Radhakishan Pillai, sir." }, { "end_time": "0:53", "start_time": "0:46", "text": "Sir, you're a mentor to me, but, more than that, you're a very interesting kinda I would like to call you a brother figure in my life." }, { "end_time": "0:58", "start_time": "0:53", "text": "And whenever we meet, we talk about some very crazy stories of Indian history that we're not taught in textbooks." }, { "end_time": "0:59", "start_time": "0:59", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "1:06", "start_time": "0:59", "text": "So so whenever kids our age especially learn about history, they learn, you know, about the more recent history, like the medieval times or the independence movement." }, { "end_time": "1:07", "start_time": "1:06", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "1:09", "start_time": "1:07", "text": "But India's got, like, more than a 10000 year old history." }, { "end_time": "1:10", "start_time": "1:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:19", "start_time": "1:10", "text": "And there's actually a lot of history we're not taught in school, including things that are very dark, things that are related to the occult, things that, you know, seem larger than life." }, { "end_time": "1:23", "start_time": "1:20", "text": "So so that's what this podcast is gonna be about." }, { "end_time": "1:33", "start_time": "1:23", "text": "In fact, I'm so happy that you're touching upon some finer points because, you know, as you know, Ranveer, every time we meet, it generally starts with the YouTube channel and everything that you're doing." }, { "end_time": "1:36", "start_time": "1:33", "text": "But slowly, it gets into the next other worldly topics." }, { "end_time": "1:39", "start_time": "1:36", "text": "And most important, the spiritual aspects which we always discover." }, { "end_time": "1:41", "start_time": "1:39", "text": "I'm sure you're gonna, Touch upon that." }, { "end_time": "1:45", "start_time": "1:41", "text": "Touch upon that and ask and dig some real stuff from me also." }, { "end_time": "1:45", "start_time": "1:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:47", "start_time": "1:45", "text": "So we're gonna go very deep on this." }, { "end_time": "1:49", "start_time": "1:47", "text": "Let's actually jump straight in." }, { "end_time": "1:57", "start_time": "1:49", "text": "One very interesting topic I wanna start off this podcast with is this conspiracy theory about, the Aryans, the so called Aryans." }, { "end_time": "2:02", "start_time": "1:57", "text": "Now one thing I strongly believe is that history is written by winners of war." }, { "end_time": "2:02", "start_time": "2:02", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "2:09", "start_time": "2:02", "text": "As in if someone has won a war, they will always write the history textbook according to what favors them." }, { "end_time": "2:09", "start_time": "2:09", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "2:11", "start_time": "2:09", "text": "Or to make the losing side feel a little bad." }, { "end_time": "2:12", "start_time": "2:11", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "2:14", "start_time": "2:12", "text": "You know, to kind of make the losing side's morale spoil." }, { "end_time": "2:15", "start_time": "2:14", "text": "Down." }, { "end_time": "2:15", "start_time": "2:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:22", "start_time": "2:15", "text": "And that's something I strongly believe about, I think the 18th century when Europeans actually defeated a lot of Indians in war." }, { "end_time": "2:24", "start_time": "2:22", "text": "So a lot of our history got erased." }, { "end_time": "2:24", "start_time": "2:24", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "2:26", "start_time": "2:24", "text": "That's what I strongly believe, and it's just surfacing out right now." }, { "end_time": "2:27", "start_time": "2:26", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "2:32", "start_time": "2:27", "text": "One of the things we were taught is that, there was a race called the Dravidians Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "2:36", "start_time": "2:32", "text": "Who, you know, were in the Indus Valley civilization." }, { "end_time": "2:36", "start_time": "2:36", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "2:41", "start_time": "2:36", "text": "And then there was a race that came in from central Europe, central Asia, mainly Europe." }, { "end_time": "2:43", "start_time": "2:41", "text": "A white skinned race called Aryan's." }, { "end_time": "2:50", "start_time": "2:44", "text": "And that's why they say, oh, Punjabis are fair and then the rest of India is not because of Dravidians, which I think is not true at all." }, { "end_time": "2:50", "start_time": "2:50", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "2:50", "start_time": "2:50", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "2:51", "start_time": "2:50", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "2:53", "start_time": "2:51", "text": "So so actually would you like to add anything about this?" }, { "end_time": "2:55", "start_time": "2:53", "text": "Like, what is your understanding of this topic?" }, { "end_time": "2:55", "start_time": "2:55", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "2:56", "start_time": "2:55", "text": "And what is the truth?" }, { "end_time": "2:58", "start_time": "2:57", "text": "So let us look at it this way." }, { "end_time": "3:01", "start_time": "2:59", "text": "To start with the word Aryan." }, { "end_time": "3:06", "start_time": "3:01", "text": "So when you speak about the word Aryan, it has been used in the world history, not only in India." }, { "end_time": "3:11", "start_time": "3:06", "text": "In Germany also, they use this word Aryan and they say what is an Aryan?" }, { "end_time": "3:17", "start_time": "3:11", "text": "It is a noble race that is how the whole thing starts, but if you look at Sanskrit, I mean very fortunate to actually study Sanskrit." }, { "end_time": "3:22", "start_time": "3:18", "text": "The word Aryan comes from the word aarya, which means a noble person." }, { "end_time": "3:26", "start_time": "3:22", "text": "So when you say the Aryan, it's not just a race, it's also quality of a person." }, { "end_time": "3:35", "start_time": "3:27", "text": "So if you look at Mahabharata, the book, which is much more beyond, you know, for 1000 of years, maybe 5000 years, the word Aryan comes very common over there." }, { "end_time": "3:41", "start_time": "3:35", "text": "So when somebody is addressing saying that sir, madam, gentleman in our generation, you say, oh, Arya." }, { "end_time": "3:46", "start_time": "3:41", "text": "So this Aryan word, first of all, as a word is very common in Indian culture." }, { "end_time": "3:50", "start_time": "3:46", "text": "Now coming back, if you look at the world history, there were movements of power politics." }, { "end_time": "3:51", "start_time": "3:51", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "3:58", "start_time": "3:51", "text": "Where, you know, what we call in India, casteism, across the world you find the word racism, the race theory across the globe." }, { "end_time": "4:02", "start_time": "3:58", "text": "So you will see for the Britain world or the western world, race became a very important point." }, { "end_time": "4:06", "start_time": "4:02", "text": "If you look at world wars also, it's about race, the Aryan theory." }, { "end_time": "4:17", "start_time": "4:06", "text": "And if you look at Hitler, the German culture, so prominently this whole theory of Aryan invasion is something that somebody best came from there and I just told him the But that some someone wrote in our history books." }, { "end_time": "4:20", "start_time": "4:18", "text": "Essay but there is only one side to it." }, { "end_time": "4:25", "start_time": "4:20", "text": "So the western world talks about the historical fact that we came to civilize you." }, { "end_time": "4:34", "start_time": "4:25", "text": "So you know the Britishers came and you know we were a backward kind of a, stone age, and they came and maybe made us more human beings, but that's not true." }, { "end_time": "4:42", "start_time": "4:35", "text": "So but, you know, then the backup that westerners have for this Aryan theory is that if you actually see genetic profiles of North Indians Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:51", "start_time": "4:42", "text": "And then if you compare them to people in Central Asia, like Uzbekistan or, you know, Central Europe, like Ukraine, There are some matches, DNA matches." }, { "end_time": "4:58", "start_time": "4:51", "text": "Now what I read from my historical studies, reading autobiography for yogi, you know, books like that, actual Indian spiritual books." }, { "end_time": "5:02", "start_time": "4:58", "text": "They say that, Indian culture was so advanced compared to the rest of the world." }, { "end_time": "5:07", "start_time": "5:03", "text": "Say 15, 20000 years back that people actually left India and went and settled to Ukraine." }, { "end_time": "5:11", "start_time": "5:07", "text": "It went and settled in Ukraine, went and took our culture to central Europe." }, { "end_time": "5:13", "start_time": "5:11", "text": "That's how you see the match of the Yes." }, { "end_time": "5:13", "start_time": "5:13", "text": "True." }, { "end_time": "5:16", "start_time": "5:13", "text": "And this is something that all our Indian spiritual books strongly believe in." }, { "end_time": "5:17", "start_time": "5:16", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "5:21", "start_time": "5:17", "text": "So so what is your take on this Aryan theory finally?" }, { "end_time": "5:27", "start_time": "5:21", "text": "Was there actually a tribe that came to India, conquered the Dravidians, drove them out of the Indus valley civilization?" }, { "end_time": "5:28", "start_time": "5:27", "text": "Did that actually happen?" }, { "end_time": "5:28", "start_time": "5:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:38", "start_time": "5:28", "text": "So I think you spoke about it very rightly that if you look at India geographically, there's a big division in the center, the Vindhyatch Mountains, the Maharashtra and below, and the Maharashtra above." }, { "end_time": "5:45", "start_time": "5:38", "text": "It was not very easy to conquer, Maharashtra and below because of the mountainous regions, you know, and south was comparatively protected." }, { "end_time": "5:56", "start_time": "5:45", "text": "It's not that we did not have inventions in the south, but if you look at the north, you know, once they cross, the Punjab and there's a lot of this foreign people who directly came in." }, { "end_time": "6:00", "start_time": "5:56", "text": "But after Maharashtra, we had lot of resistance, thanks to the Maratha culture on those things." }, { "end_time": "6:03", "start_time": "6:00", "text": "And deep south, they kept the culture very intact." }, { "end_time": "6:06", "start_time": "6:03", "text": "The temples, the monument, they were still very protected." }, { "end_time": "6:11", "start_time": "6:06", "text": "So the one, theory that goes as you rightly pointed out is the Dravidians and the Aryans." }, { "end_time": "6:20", "start_time": "6:11", "text": "So if you divide into half, then the people above are Aryans with them very, white in color and they have a different way of body structure." }, { "end_time": "6:25", "start_time": "6:20", "text": "The caucasian features like The caucasian features and deep within south it's all about you know being dark skin." }, { "end_time": "6:30", "start_time": "6:25", "text": "It's not true I think if you look at the south Indian Brahmin they also are having caucasian features." }, { "end_time": "6:32", "start_time": "6:30", "text": "If you look at Marashtans, many of them have blue colored eyes." }, { "end_time": "6:33", "start_time": "6:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:33", "start_time": "6:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:33", "start_time": "6:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:35", "start_time": "6:33", "text": "So where does all things come up?" }, { "end_time": "6:36", "start_time": "6:35", "text": "So I say, you know, don't look at the past." }, { "end_time": "6:38", "start_time": "6:36", "text": "Look at saying that there's always been mix and matches." }, { "end_time": "6:39", "start_time": "6:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:39", "start_time": "6:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:42", "start_time": "6:39", "text": "In fact, I have seen people in north being very dark." }, { "end_time": "6:42", "start_time": "6:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:42", "start_time": "6:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:43", "start_time": "6:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:43", "start_time": "6:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:46", "start_time": "6:43", "text": "And it doesn't mean that, you know, they're they're not not Indians." }, { "end_time": "6:46", "start_time": "6:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:53", "start_time": "6:46", "text": "So I think what is interesting is to look at the differences, but maturity says that as you look at the differences, you start seeing commonalities." }, { "end_time": "6:54", "start_time": "6:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:54", "start_time": "6:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:58", "start_time": "6:54", "text": "I actually wanna bring you to the next core topic, which is wars in India." }, { "end_time": "6:58", "start_time": "6:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:01", "start_time": "6:58", "text": "And we had had this beautiful conversation about wars." }, { "end_time": "7:01", "start_time": "7:01", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:03", "start_time": "7:01", "text": "Something that's not spoken enough about wars." }, { "end_time": "7:05", "start_time": "7:04", "text": "In our medieval times Yes." }, { "end_time": "7:10", "start_time": "7:05", "text": "By Chanakya himself, there was some dark magic and occult used in the war." }, { "end_time": "7:11", "start_time": "7:10", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "7:13", "start_time": "7:11", "text": "So so you actually read up a lot about occult." }, { "end_time": "7:20", "start_time": "7:13", "text": "And for those of you who don't know the meaning of occult, occult is basically, like, I think the Hindi word for it would be something like, like, you know, am I correct?" }, { "end_time": "7:21", "start_time": "7:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:21", "start_time": "7:21", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:21", "start_time": "7:21", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:24", "start_time": "7:22", "text": "Or dark things, you know, ghosts, demons, things like that." }, { "end_time": "7:24", "start_time": "7:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:25", "start_time": "7:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:26", "start_time": "7:25", "text": "Witches, all that's included in occult." }, { "end_time": "7:27", "start_time": "7:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:27", "start_time": "7:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:30", "start_time": "7:27", "text": "So what is this element of Chanakya using occult to defeat his enemies?" }, { "end_time": "7:31", "start_time": "7:30", "text": "Can you just, like, break it down?" }, { "end_time": "7:32", "start_time": "7:31", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "7:39", "start_time": "7:32", "text": "So let me tell you occult and what you call black magic and things like that, other worldly practices is used across the globe." }, { "end_time": "7:41", "start_time": "7:39", "text": "Like, they do in Africa and all that." }, { "end_time": "7:41", "start_time": "7:41", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "7:47", "start_time": "7:41", "text": "And if you look at even, Harry Potter's, on many of these modern things, you have the concept of witches." }, { "end_time": "7:50", "start_time": "7:48", "text": "And you know, there is a lady who will do some magic." }, { "end_time": "7:54", "start_time": "7:51", "text": "So please understand this that, what is occurred from an Indian perspective?" }, { "end_time": "8:01", "start_time": "7:55", "text": "See, the you rightly put it, there is a darker side to it, which is not generally spoken about kalajadu and all those things." }, { "end_time": "8:19", "start_time": "8:01", "text": "Now what happens is that if you look at things that are known and things that are unknown and typically what happens is that when you are not able to find success in the known methods, you try to look at unknown methods And that's where, you know, slowly from faith in God, you start even worshiping the devils." }, { "end_time": "8:23", "start_time": "8:19", "text": "So there are, you know, people who pray to bhoot, pray, and, you know, get things in place." }, { "end_time": "8:29", "start_time": "8:25", "text": "It still happens, and there are lot of systems, which promotes kalajayadhu." }, { "end_time": "8:34", "start_time": "8:29", "text": "I'm very careful about this whole thing because once you get into that it's a mental trap." }, { "end_time": "8:41", "start_time": "8:34", "text": "So let me also give the other side before I tell you about Chanakhi and the wars and that as there is black magic, there is also white magic." }, { "end_time": "8:43", "start_time": "8:41", "text": "Not many people have heard about what is white magic." }, { "end_time": "8:44", "start_time": "8:43", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "8:46", "start_time": "8:44", "text": "So what is black magic the darker side of it?" }, { "end_time": "8:50", "start_time": "8:46", "text": "White magic is actually healing you to the right methods." }, { "end_time": "8:50", "start_time": "8:50", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "8:52", "start_time": "8:50", "text": "So invite the other worldly people." }, { "end_time": "8:58", "start_time": "8:52", "text": "So the people who invite the demons and the devils or the all cult, but the people who invoke the devtas Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "8:59", "start_time": "8:58", "text": "They are also using it." }, { "end_time": "9:05", "start_time": "8:59", "text": "So at the very superficial level, you know, if you look at 2 people fighting Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:08", "start_time": "9:05", "text": "Or 2 kingdoms fighting, it's generally known as the military war." }, { "end_time": "9:09", "start_time": "9:08", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "9:19", "start_time": "9:09", "text": "Where we have people who are having the army with soldiers, elephants, better weapons, but as things become bigger, it becomes subtler." }, { "end_time": "9:20", "start_time": "9:19", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "9:30", "start_time": "9:20", "text": "So he said, okay, he's got this, I got so can I use So what happens at one particular point of time, Chanakya also realized that, you know, we need to use other worldly practices?" }, { "end_time": "9:35", "start_time": "9:30", "text": "I'm not here to recommend that, but the reality is that it is practiced even today to some extent." }, { "end_time": "9:38", "start_time": "9:35", "text": "So so but what was the practice, like, exactly?" }, { "end_time": "9:38", "start_time": "9:38", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "9:42", "start_time": "9:38", "text": "So if you read the Arthashastra, this is actually mentioned in detail." }, { "end_time": "9:46", "start_time": "9:42", "text": "So what they will do is that, like, if you look at the the positive part of it." }, { "end_time": "9:49", "start_time": "9:46", "text": "So today we do yagna, havan, you know." }, { "end_time": "9:57", "start_time": "9:49", "text": "So we call the priest, and then we put certain, ahusi's in it, and, you know, and then we invoke the god and saying that, oh god, you know, give me this particular thing." }, { "end_time": "9:58", "start_time": "9:57", "text": "You're bringing positive energy into our place." }, { "end_time": "9:58", "start_time": "9:58", "text": "Positive energy." }, { "end_time": "10:12", "start_time": "9:58", "text": "If you look at the other side of it, you actually invoke the darker gurus, the darker devtas, and the ahoots would be sacrifice, the animal animal sacrifice, and you get all the so everything is mentioned in detail, and then you'll look at it a little bit negatively." }, { "end_time": "10:18", "start_time": "10:13", "text": "I said, okay, this veda practice is not practiced by Chanakya, but even the people before it." }, { "end_time": "10:30", "start_time": "10:18", "text": "So if you look at there were many gurus, some gurus actually promoted it in a big way like we have and So one is the devata of the gods and other is devata of the demons." }, { "end_time": "10:32", "start_time": "10:30", "text": "So they will use all this occult practice." }, { "end_time": "10:36", "start_time": "10:32", "text": "The chanaka mentions and said okay let us try this and not try this." }, { "end_time": "10:42", "start_time": "10:36", "text": "So, what is interesting it goes into even finding out certain parts of maybe an animal." }, { "end_time": "10:43", "start_time": "10:42", "text": "Secrets of like the enemy?" }, { "end_time": "10:44", "start_time": "10:43", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "10:49", "start_time": "10:44", "text": "So, they they practice it, they use it, there's witchcraft involved and things like that." }, { "end_time": "10:53", "start_time": "10:49", "text": "So what happens, you know, in those days everything is fair in love and war." }, { "end_time": "10:55", "start_time": "10:53", "text": "So they used many techniques including the occult." }, { "end_time": "11:01", "start_time": "10:55", "text": "But so what was the result of the occult on the enemy like they used to fall ill, they used to get demoralized like?" }, { "end_time": "11:10", "start_time": "11:02", "text": "So there are 3 levels of occult, 1 is at the physical level, the second is at the mental level and the third is the intellectual or spiritual level I would say." }, { "end_time": "11:16", "start_time": "11:10", "text": "At the physical level you know a person actually what we call in today's generation probably what is that?" }, { "end_time": "11:18", "start_time": "11:16", "text": "Bio chemicals." }, { "end_time": "11:18", "start_time": "11:18", "text": "Uh-huh." }, { "end_time": "11:19", "start_time": "11:18", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "11:21", "start_time": "11:19", "text": "So Chemicals of warfare." }, { "end_time": "11:22", "start_time": "11:21", "text": "Warfare." }, { "end_time": "11:22", "start_time": "11:22", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "11:24", "start_time": "11:22", "text": "So, you know, you just pollute a complete river." }, { "end_time": "11:24", "start_time": "11:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:24", "start_time": "11:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:26", "start_time": "11:24", "text": "And then everybody drinks it and everybody dies." }, { "end_time": "11:27", "start_time": "11:26", "text": "So that's the very physical aspect." }, { "end_time": "11:33", "start_time": "11:27", "text": "But at the mental level what happens, you know, the whole people lose their mental balance." }, { "end_time": "11:35", "start_time": "11:33", "text": "The whole society goes crazy." }, { "end_time": "11:37", "start_time": "11:35", "text": "The intellectual level you confuse them." }, { "end_time": "11:37", "start_time": "11:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:42", "start_time": "11:38", "text": "So you know what is it that you send us wrong message and people start believing it." }, { "end_time": "11:42", "start_time": "11:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:47", "start_time": "11:42", "text": "So what's interesting is that finally, in the game of war, you try various techniques." }, { "end_time": "11:53", "start_time": "11:47", "text": "And and the world history, not only in India, it's all about, you know, getting, to the winning side come what it means." }, { "end_time": "11:59", "start_time": "11:53", "text": "So in the western philosophy, Greek philosophy, philosophy specifically, you have the Torjan horse." }, { "end_time": "12:00", "start_time": "11:59", "text": "Have you heard about the Torjan horse?" }, { "end_time": "12:01", "start_time": "12:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:01", "start_time": "12:01", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:05", "start_time": "12:01", "text": "So you send a whole horse as a gift and finally the people come out of it and kill the enemy." }, { "end_time": "12:05", "start_time": "12:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:07", "start_time": "12:05", "text": "It's a Torjan horse as they call it." }, { "end_time": "12:09", "start_time": "12:07", "text": "And then so what is all this?" }, { "end_time": "12:11", "start_time": "12:09", "text": "Trying to use the negative practices to be known with the enemy." }, { "end_time": "12:12", "start_time": "12:11", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "12:12", "start_time": "12:12", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "12:17", "start_time": "12:12", "text": "So basically, and like and little bit little bit I'm sure there's deeper stuff." }, { "end_time": "12:19", "start_time": "12:17", "text": "There's also like mental and spiritual trauma." }, { "end_time": "12:29", "start_time": "12:19", "text": "Let me also tell you, you know, you have to be very very physically, mentally, and intellectually strong to understand this because if you use this, this can actually rebound on you." }, { "end_time": "12:32", "start_time": "12:29", "text": "Like karma, like it can hit you back." }, { "end_time": "12:32", "start_time": "12:32", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "12:36", "start_time": "12:32", "text": "So if you misuse it, you can be the one get affected." }, { "end_time": "12:42", "start_time": "12:36", "text": "Let me tell you, I know of a person, I really know of a particular person who used to do all these things and it was, like, very shocking for me." }, { "end_time": "12:42", "start_time": "12:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:48", "start_time": "12:42", "text": "And he said, you know, I never ever promote what happened because my father actually got impacted by that." }, { "end_time": "12:48", "start_time": "12:48", "text": "Oh, wow." }, { "end_time": "12:49", "start_time": "12:48", "text": "His father went crazy." }, { "end_time": "13:00", "start_time": "12:50", "text": "Suppose and who knew it the science and studied it lot of witchcraft and all those things you you know, I stopped it because I realized when I was trying to use it to somebody, it actually came to my family." }, { "end_time": "13:06", "start_time": "13:00", "text": "So be very careful, It can rebound and what you want to destroy somebody else can actually destroy you." }, { "end_time": "13:07", "start_time": "13:06", "text": "Be very careful." }, { "end_time": "13:11", "start_time": "13:07", "text": "So I think actually this is a very deep topic and we'll we'll touch upon this in another whole podcast." }, { "end_time": "13:15", "start_time": "13:11", "text": "Right now let's move on to the next great Indian conspiracy." }, { "end_time": "13:31", "start_time": "13:15", "text": "So sir as you know I'm a huge fan and a huge follower of YSS, which is the Yoganand Satsang Society, which is run by which is originally founded by mister Yoganand Paramansaji, who is also my yoga guru." }, { "end_time": "13:34", "start_time": "13:31", "text": "His book autobiography for yoga has influenced me a lot." }, { "end_time": "13:36", "start_time": "13:34", "text": "It's influenced Virat Kohli a lot." }, { "end_time": "13:38", "start_time": "13:36", "text": "It's influenced Steve Jobs a lot." }, { "end_time": "13:42", "start_time": "13:38", "text": "And really I feel like that book has all the answers you could ever have in life." }, { "end_time": "13:42", "start_time": "13:42", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "13:43", "start_time": "13:42", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "13:47", "start_time": "13:43", "text": "If I've not read the book, make sure you do because it's a life changing book." }, { "end_time": "13:47", "start_time": "13:47", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:51", "start_time": "13:47", "text": "It's a book that has influenced millions of people directly." }, { "end_time": "13:52", "start_time": "13:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:54", "start_time": "13:52", "text": "And I'm sure if you read it And millions of leaders?" }, { "end_time": "13:55", "start_time": "13:54", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "13:55", "start_time": "13:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:58", "start_time": "13:55", "text": "And so that's a must read if I've not read it." }, { "end_time": "13:59", "start_time": "13:58", "text": "Sorry." }, { "end_time": "13:59", "start_time": "13:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:01", "start_time": "13:59", "text": "But it's also very heavy book to read." }, { "end_time": "14:02", "start_time": "14:01", "text": "It's not everyone's cup of tea." }, { "end_time": "14:03", "start_time": "14:02", "text": "You have to really spend time on that book." }, { "end_time": "14:06", "start_time": "14:03", "text": "You have probably sit to the dictionary on the side and like read it." }, { "end_time": "14:07", "start_time": "14:06", "text": "It's very difficult." }, { "end_time": "14:11", "start_time": "14:07", "text": "But but actually got India to a different level in the western world philosophically." }, { "end_time": "14:11", "start_time": "14:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:13", "start_time": "14:11", "text": "It's deep but it's sure to impact you." }, { "end_time": "14:19", "start_time": "14:14", "text": "And, so one of the key, stories mentioned in that book okay." }, { "end_time": "14:26", "start_time": "14:19", "text": "Before I talk about the story, let's talk about one of the key angles of the book is that there's too many parallels between ancient yogic culture Yes." }, { "end_time": "14:26", "start_time": "14:26", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "14:27", "start_time": "14:26", "text": "And the bible." }, { "end_time": "14:27", "start_time": "14:27", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "14:29", "start_time": "14:27", "text": "There is too many parallels." }, { "end_time": "14:36", "start_time": "14:29", "text": "Like, they've actually almost in every chapter, they extract a verse from the bible and then compare it to something which is a teaching from yoga." }, { "end_time": "14:46", "start_time": "14:38", "text": "Let's not get into the details of the philosophies, but let's talk about one of the stories, which was that, if you actually study the history of Jesus Christ." }, { "end_time": "14:46", "start_time": "14:46", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "14:48", "start_time": "14:46", "text": "So I think he was born around Israel." }, { "end_time": "14:51", "start_time": "14:48", "text": "Like, he was born Jerusalem, and that was his general area, Israel, Palestine." }, { "end_time": "14:54", "start_time": "14:51", "text": "So there's a track record of him till the point where he's a teenager." }, { "end_time": "14:59", "start_time": "14:55", "text": "And then directly, we jump to the point where he's, 30 years and above." }, { "end_time": "15:05", "start_time": "14:59", "text": "And there's one whole period in the middle when no one knows where he went, what he did, and there's no track record of that." }, { "end_time": "15:11", "start_time": "15:05", "text": "Now according to ancient Indian books, according to yogic sciences, they talk about Jesus Christ." }, { "end_time": "15:11", "start_time": "15:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:22", "start_time": "15:11", "text": "And they say that he actually spent a lot of time in India learning something called Kriya yoga, which is also the main kind of teaching of the y axis, the main teaching of the autobiography of a yogi." }, { "end_time": "15:31", "start_time": "15:22", "text": "So to give the viewers some kind of a introduction to Kriya yoga, this is a whole podcast topic by itself, but it's basically a very advanced form of yoga." }, { "end_time": "15:35", "start_time": "15:31", "text": "Now when normally people think of yoga, they think of all those asanas and you're bending your body in different ways." }, { "end_time": "15:37", "start_time": "15:35", "text": "But yoga has a lot to do with your mind also." }, { "end_time": "15:39", "start_time": "15:37", "text": "You can bend your mind in different ways." }, { "end_time": "15:41", "start_time": "15:39", "text": "You can, you know, work with your soul in different ways." }, { "end_time": "15:45", "start_time": "15:41", "text": "And Kriya Yoga involves your mind and your soul a lot as much as it does your body." }, { "end_time": "15:46", "start_time": "15:45", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "15:49", "start_time": "15:46", "text": "The result of this is that you get a lot of spiritual progress." }, { "end_time": "15:53", "start_time": "15:50", "text": "Like, by doing your Kriya yoga, you advance a lot spiritually." }, { "end_time": "15:54", "start_time": "15:53", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "15:57", "start_time": "15:54", "text": "Which leads to actually, on a biological level, brain development." }, { "end_time": "16:01", "start_time": "15:58", "text": "It adds a lot of, capacity to your brain." }, { "end_time": "16:04", "start_time": "16:01", "text": "You know, when they say, oh, your human mind only uses 7 to 8% of its total capacity." }, { "end_time": "16:05", "start_time": "16:04", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "16:10", "start_time": "16:05", "text": "An activity like kriyoga unlocks the remaining 92%, the remaining 90% of it." }, { "end_time": "16:13", "start_time": "16:11", "text": "And that's what they say Jesus Christ did for 12 years." }, { "end_time": "16:14", "start_time": "16:13", "text": "He went to the Himalayas." }, { "end_time": "16:20", "start_time": "16:14", "text": "He got trained by the local Kriya yogis, and then took that knowledge out west." }, { "end_time": "16:29", "start_time": "16:20", "text": "And if you actually go and see the origins of any kind of religion in the world, it always somehow begins with something related to yoga." }, { "end_time": "16:38", "start_time": "16:29", "text": "I'm not saying related to Hinduism or India, just related to yoga as a concept, Manipulating the human body, manipulating the the human mind to achieve your maximum potential." }, { "end_time": "16:38", "start_time": "16:38", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "16:44", "start_time": "16:38", "text": "Now Kriya Yoga was lost both in India and by the west over time because people stopped practicing it." }, { "end_time": "16:44", "start_time": "16:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:44", "start_time": "16:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:45", "start_time": "16:44", "text": "But it's arising again." }, { "end_time": "16:48", "start_time": "16:45", "text": "People are getting more aware about it in the times we live in." }, { "end_time": "16:56", "start_time": "16:49", "text": "So so my question to you is have you heard the story of Jesus and, what do you have to say about, like, this whole so called conspiracy theory?" }, { "end_time": "16:56", "start_time": "16:56", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "16:57", "start_time": "16:56", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "17:01", "start_time": "16:57", "text": "I heard about this and, you know, a lot of people have written about it." }, { "end_time": "17:05", "start_time": "17:01", "text": "There are fictional novels about it and historical references also about it." }, { "end_time": "17:10", "start_time": "17:05", "text": "And as you rightly pointed out, if you read Autobiography of Yogi, you do get references of it." }, { "end_time": "17:17", "start_time": "17:10", "text": "Now I'm not a scholar on the subject, but I wouldn't be against this particular theory saying that, you know, Jesus never came to India." }, { "end_time": "17:17", "start_time": "17:17", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "17:25", "start_time": "17:18", "text": "I'll tell you logically for me, it looks that anybody who has served the world directly and directly is a spiritual person." }, { "end_time": "17:26", "start_time": "17:25", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "17:28", "start_time": "17:26", "text": "And whichever part of the world you are in." }, { "end_time": "17:32", "start_time": "17:28", "text": "And India has been the the center of spirituality for the whole world Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "17:34", "start_time": "17:32", "text": "For human history." }, { "end_time": "17:37", "start_time": "17:34", "text": "So whether he physically came or no, this could be debatable." }, { "end_time": "17:44", "start_time": "17:37", "text": "But the fact that I'm sure whichever era, whoever a great master lived, he or she has got influenced by India." }, { "end_time": "17:46", "start_time": "17:44", "text": "And let me come very specific, the Himalayas." }, { "end_time": "17:47", "start_time": "17:47", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "17:52", "start_time": "17:47", "text": "So what has happened about this particular great country is that, you know, it's almost like a spiritual center." }, { "end_time": "17:53", "start_time": "17:52", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "17:55", "start_time": "17:53", "text": "Now let's say I have this particular hall and I wanna charge a mobile." }, { "end_time": "17:56", "start_time": "17:55", "text": "I'm gonna use a mobile." }, { "end_time": "18:00", "start_time": "17:56", "text": "But there'll be some particular point in where I have to go charge it." }, { "end_time": "18:00", "start_time": "18:00", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "18:03", "start_time": "18:00", "text": "So India has always been the spiritual charging part of all spiritual gurus." }, { "end_time": "18:04", "start_time": "18:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:04", "start_time": "18:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:09", "start_time": "18:04", "text": "So directly and directly, I know that this theory could be true because he must have come here." }, { "end_time": "18:10", "start_time": "18:09", "text": "And, I read somewhere." }, { "end_time": "18:15", "start_time": "18:10", "text": "I don't remember where the refer what the reference is that he actually went to a particular place in Kashmir." }, { "end_time": "18:15", "start_time": "18:15", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "18:21", "start_time": "18:15", "text": "And there is a particular place where a name is equal to Jesus and there is some books written on it." }, { "end_time": "18:23", "start_time": "18:21", "text": "Coming back, what is the essence of it?" }, { "end_time": "18:26", "start_time": "18:23", "text": "The essence whether he came or known is one part of it." }, { "end_time": "18:28", "start_time": "18:26", "text": "What is Jesus respected as a great saint?" }, { "end_time": "18:29", "start_time": "18:28", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "18:35", "start_time": "18:29", "text": "And if you look at his theories, they're very much, close to what we Indians believed in, the theory of nonviolence." }, { "end_time": "18:36", "start_time": "18:36", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "18:42", "start_time": "18:36", "text": "So if you look at the parallels, I mean he was a great saint who believed, you know, whatever be thy will be done." }, { "end_time": "18:44", "start_time": "18:42", "text": "I mean, that's exactly what we believe in India." }, { "end_time": "18:44", "start_time": "18:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:48", "start_time": "18:44", "text": "In our country, you're saying that you do your best and leave the rest." }, { "end_time": "18:53", "start_time": "18:48", "text": "So what happens is that you may do everything, but at the end of it, finally it's about giving up to something higher." }, { "end_time": "18:54", "start_time": "18:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:01", "start_time": "18:54", "text": "The other thing I definitely believe in is that you know, the impact that Jesus created is among very few people in this world would have done." }, { "end_time": "19:05", "start_time": "19:01", "text": "Swami Vivekananda speaks about Jesus and the impact that he had globally." }, { "end_time": "19:10", "start_time": "19:05", "text": "So I think whether you follow a religion or not, they are some of the greatest masters of the world." }, { "end_time": "19:15", "start_time": "19:10", "text": "And if you study their life and you come and say, yes, these are basically some of the common yogic practices." }, { "end_time": "19:18", "start_time": "19:15", "text": "Let me give you one instance to draw a commonality." }, { "end_time": "19:20", "start_time": "19:19", "text": "The bible." }, { "end_time": "19:23", "start_time": "19:20", "text": "Maybe the followers of Jesus who documented the bible and all." }, { "end_time": "19:25", "start_time": "19:23", "text": "Let's say about, you know, everything began with a sound." }, { "end_time": "19:28", "start_time": "19:26", "text": "For us it's om." }, { "end_time": "19:28", "start_time": "19:28", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "19:30", "start_time": "19:28", "text": "Om is a creation of the whole world." }, { "end_time": "19:35", "start_time": "19:30", "text": "So if you look at there are parallels and again, om comes from a lot of theories that we have in yoga." }, { "end_time": "19:37", "start_time": "19:35", "text": "The pranayama, a lot of these scriptural concepts." }, { "end_time": "19:41", "start_time": "19:37", "text": "So no doubt about it that it could be a real fact that Jesus must have come to India." }, { "end_time": "19:44", "start_time": "19:42", "text": "Absolutely, will you accept it or know the reference or no?" }, { "end_time": "19:45", "start_time": "19:44", "text": "But why not, you know?" }, { "end_time": "19:46", "start_time": "19:45", "text": "And what are we saying?" }, { "end_time": "19:48", "start_time": "19:46", "text": "It's actually a great spiritual practice called the Kriya yoga." }, { "end_time": "19:51", "start_time": "19:49", "text": "The last point is that what is Kriya yoga?" }, { "end_time": "19:52", "start_time": "19:51", "text": "I think, you mentioned about it." }, { "end_time": "19:53", "start_time": "19:52", "text": "Please practice it." }, { "end_time": "19:57", "start_time": "19:54", "text": "But it it needs to be trained, like you need to be trained in it." }, { "end_time": "19:57", "start_time": "19:57", "text": "Through a guru." }, { "end_time": "19:58", "start_time": "19:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:58", "start_time": "19:58", "text": "Through guru." }, { "end_time": "19:59", "start_time": "19:58", "text": "Never do it alone, you know." }, { "end_time": "20:01", "start_time": "19:59", "text": "If you do yoga on your own, that's okay." }, { "end_time": "20:05", "start_time": "20:01", "text": "But, you know, when you get to final aspects of yoga, if you don't have a guru, you can break your back." }, { "end_time": "20:06", "start_time": "20:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:08", "start_time": "20:06", "text": "The same way, Kriya yoga is not a physical level." }, { "end_time": "20:10", "start_time": "20:08", "text": "It's highly intellectual, mental, you know." }, { "end_time": "20:11", "start_time": "20:10", "text": "You can go bonkers." }, { "end_time": "20:11", "start_time": "20:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:13", "start_time": "20:11", "text": "So practice whichever form." }, { "end_time": "20:15", "start_time": "20:13", "text": "Even if you want to learn cricket, you require a coach." }, { "end_time": "20:15", "start_time": "20:15", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "20:23", "start_time": "20:15", "text": "So if you have to practice Kriya yoga, make sure that you are having the right guru who will teach you in that particular path because sometimes you get get misguided." }, { "end_time": "20:28", "start_time": "20:23", "text": "If you want to achieve the highest form of yoga, be it Kriya yoga or anything, make sure you have a guru." }, { "end_time": "20:29", "start_time": "20:28", "text": "Are you a Kriya yogi?" }, { "end_time": "20:34", "start_time": "20:29", "text": "I am a practitioner of meditation for my practice form is basically the Vedantic method Okay." }, { "end_time": "20:36", "start_time": "20:35", "text": "Which we call the Pancha Koshas." }, { "end_time": "20:38", "start_time": "20:36", "text": "And again, it's parallel to Kriya yoga." }, { "end_time": "20:40", "start_time": "20:38", "text": "So you may choose various paths." }, { "end_time": "20:40", "start_time": "20:40", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "20:43", "start_time": "20:40", "text": "So my path is Vedantic but that doesn't mean I'm different from Kriya Yoga." }, { "end_time": "20:43", "start_time": "20:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:43", "start_time": "20:43", "text": "It's the same." }, { "end_time": "20:46", "start_time": "20:43", "text": "Finally, at the end of it, it's all about the mind and merging with the universe." }, { "end_time": "20:46", "start_time": "20:46", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "20:47", "start_time": "20:46", "text": "100%, sir." }, { "end_time": "20:52", "start_time": "20:47", "text": "Also, I think a lot of people are wondering kriya yoga start kareye, you know, where can we actually find a guru?" }, { "end_time": "21:03", "start_time": "20:52", "text": "The practical solution in 2019 is that at least from what I have heard, Isha Foundation, which is run by Sadhguru, they conduct fantastic programs and obviously, you can reach out to your nearest biases." }, { "end_time": "21:09", "start_time": "21:03", "text": "That is what I recommend on a personal level, but you really need to, as we call it, vibe with that whole, community." }, { "end_time": "21:18", "start_time": "21:10", "text": "If you find sense in what they're saying, if you understand the science that they talk about and you feel the higher, the talking sense, that's when you go for it." }, { "end_time": "21:21", "start_time": "21:18", "text": "When you are 100% sure that, okay, this is where I wanna be." }, { "end_time": "21:28", "start_time": "21:21", "text": "And one tip, Rambi, you know this that, you know, instead of waiting for a guru, have the deep urge for wanting a guru." }, { "end_time": "21:28", "start_time": "21:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:28", "start_time": "21:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:30", "start_time": "21:28", "text": "And the guru will appear." }, { "end_time": "21:30", "start_time": "21:30", "text": "He will." }, { "end_time": "21:31", "start_time": "21:30", "text": "He has to." }, { "end_time": "21:35", "start_time": "21:31", "text": "In fact, I always believe that if the student is ready, the teacher would come." }, { "end_time": "21:38", "start_time": "21:35", "text": "So if the yogi inside you is ready, the yoga teacher will come." }, { "end_time": "21:38", "start_time": "21:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:45", "start_time": "21:38", "text": "And so this is like a little bit corny, but for me that situation has happened with you as in a lot of answers I was looking for in life came through your words." }, { "end_time": "21:47", "start_time": "21:46", "text": "So so thank you again Thank you." }, { "end_time": "21:50", "start_time": "21:47", "text": "For being on episode 2 of monkey chat." }, { "end_time": "21:51", "start_time": "21:50", "text": "I hope you had fun." }, { "end_time": "21:55", "start_time": "21:51", "text": "I didn't have my co host Viraj Sheth with me today, but we're gonna do a lot more of these historical conversations." }, { "end_time": "22:01", "start_time": "21:56", "text": "So guys, Radha Sur and me will always be open to talking about whatever history you wanna talk about." }, { "end_time": "22:04", "start_time": "22:01", "text": "Let us know in the comment section what you enjoyed about this podcast." }, { "end_time": "22:05", "start_time": "22:04", "text": "What code do you like to change?" }, { "end_time": "22:08", "start_time": "22:05", "text": "We are developing it for you so that you get maximum knowledge." }, { "end_time": "22:09", "start_time": "22:08", "text": "Let us know." }, { "end_time": "22:11", "start_time": "22:09", "text": "Follow us across all our platforms." }, { "end_time": "22:13", "start_time": "22:11", "text": "I'm gonna link all of Radasur's handles down below." }, { "end_time": "22:22", "start_time": "22:13", "text": "And very importantly, if you wanna get a more of an insight into Radasur's mind, I highly recommend you check out the Ranveer show episode that we did with Radasur on the YouTube channel, Be Your Biceps." }, { "end_time": "22:26", "start_time": "22:22", "text": "Sir, any last parting message to the viewers?" }, { "end_time": "22:26", "start_time": "22:26", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "22:27", "start_time": "22:26", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "22:27", "start_time": "22:27", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "22:30", "start_time": "22:27", "text": "My journey is about Indianizing Indian wisdom." }, { "end_time": "22:32", "start_time": "22:31", "text": "What do you got?" }, { "end_time": "22:35", "start_time": "22:32", "text": "So the Indian wisdom is looked at from the western standpoint." }, { "end_time": "22:39", "start_time": "22:35", "text": "So we have a western version of Indian wisdom that we are actually learning." }, { "end_time": "22:41", "start_time": "22:39", "text": "Let's have an Indian way of looking at Indian wisdom." }, { "end_time": "22:48", "start_time": "22:41", "text": "So what we are actually trying to do are probably my life's mission is to say that now, there is Indian wisdom, which everybody knows." }, { "end_time": "22:55", "start_time": "22:48", "text": "There's Indian management, Indian leadership, this is our but you know, it's important to look at it from a pure standpoint from our context." }, { "end_time": "22:55", "start_time": "22:55", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "22:59", "start_time": "22:55", "text": "It's like a mother looking at a child and then outside looking at the child." }, { "end_time": "23:00", "start_time": "22:59", "text": "Nothing wrong and it's beautiful." }, { "end_time": "23:00", "start_time": "23:00", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "23:03", "start_time": "23:00", "text": "But when a mother looks, it's not the complete evolution of the child." }, { "end_time": "23:03", "start_time": "23:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:04", "start_time": "23:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:14", "start_time": "23:04", "text": "So what I'm saying in the purest form, the Indians have a responsibility to study our ancient culture, our Indian history, and probably our whole civilization from a new perspective." }, { "end_time": "23:14", "start_time": "23:14", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "23:20", "start_time": "23:14", "text": "Last thing which I wanna tell is that the good news, the very good news is that it is still documented and available in the libraries." }, { "end_time": "23:23", "start_time": "23:21", "text": "You know, friends, we think that it is all gone." }, { "end_time": "23:24", "start_time": "23:23", "text": "It is not gone." }, { "end_time": "23:26", "start_time": "23:24", "text": "Only thing is that we are not aware where it exists." }, { "end_time": "23:31", "start_time": "23:26", "text": "Go to any library and you'll find thousands of manuscripts in ancient Indian literature still available." }, { "end_time": "23:36", "start_time": "23:31", "text": "Study it and you will give your own perspective and version of the Indian wisdom for the world." }, { "end_time": "23:36", "start_time": "23:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:37", "start_time": "23:36", "text": "Anyway, thank you, Rada." }, { "end_time": "23:39", "start_time": "23:37", "text": "So, again, it was an honor having you on the show." }, { "end_time": "23:43", "start_time": "23:39", "text": "And until next time, guys, we are coming out with another killer episode." } ] }

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Your objective is to generate high-quality, chapter-wise segments that accurately represent key points or transitions within the video.\n\n**Transcript JSON Format:** \nThe transcript is formatted as a list of dictionaries, where each dictionary represents a spoken sentence, including its text and corresponding start and end times.\n\n**Example Transcript:** \n```json\n[\n {\n \"text\": \"The narrative in the public eye is that you left working with the Modi government because your opinions weren't heard.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:07\"\n },\n {\n \"text\": \"I want to know your side of the story.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:08\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:10\"\n },\n ...\n]\n```\n\n**Your Task:** \nUsing the given transcript, generate a JSON output that breaks down the video into meaningful chapters. Each chapter should encapsulate a key segment of the video and be accompanied by a concise, informative title that reflects the essence of that segment.\n\n**Chapter JSON Format:** \nThe output should follow this structure:\n```json\n{\n \"chapters\": [\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"title\": \"Introduction and Opening Remarks\"\n },\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:07\",\n \"title\": \"Discussing the Exit from Modi Government\"\n },\n ...\n ]\n}\n```\n\n**Requirements:** \n1. **Identify Key Segments:** Extract significant portions of the transcript that represent shifts in topic, important discussions, or transitions in conversation.\n2. **Craft Informative Titles:** Each chapter title should be clear, engaging, and directly related to the content covered in that segment.\n3. **Preserve Time Stamps:** Ensure that each chapter's `start_time` corresponds to the first instance of a key topic or segment in the transcript.\n4. **Conciseness is Key:** While titles should be descriptive, avoid making them overly lengthy. Aim for a balance between informativeness and brevity.", "role": "system" }, { "content": "{'transcripts': array([{'end_time': '0:05', 'start_time': '0:00', 'text': 'The theme of the monkey chat podcast is intelligent conversations only, ICO.'},\n {'end_time': '0:10', 'start_time': '0:05', 'text': \"In today's episode, we're talking about Indian history, but not the boring Indian history you read about in your textbooks.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:17', 'start_time': '0:11', 'text': \"Interesting, value adding Indian history that'll actually make you a very person if you go out for social situations and you bring up these topics.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:20', 'start_time': '0:17', 'text': \"We featured doctor Radhakrishnan Pillai in today's episode.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:21', 'start_time': '0:20', 'text': \"He's a big mentor to me.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:24', 'start_time': '0:21', 'text': \"He's also one of the smartest human beings I've ever met in my life.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:27', 'start_time': '0:24', 'text': \"He's one of the most well read Indians you'll ever come across.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:36', 'start_time': '0:28', 'text': \"Trust me, in this episode, it's only unadulterated information, not like your boring history textbooks, but in a fun monkey chat episode 2 podcast.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:37', 'start_time': '0:37', 'text': \"Let's go.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:40', 'start_time': '0:39', 'text': 'Crazy stories from Indian history.'},\n {'end_time': '0:46', 'start_time': '0:40', 'text': \"If you wanna learn history in a much more fun way, we've got the person for you, doctor Radhakishan Pillai, sir.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:53', 'start_time': '0:46', 'text': \"Sir, you're a mentor to me, but, more than that, you're a very interesting kinda I would like to call you a brother figure in my life.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:58', 'start_time': '0:53', 'text': \"And whenever we meet, we talk about some very crazy stories of Indian history that we're not taught in textbooks.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:59', 'start_time': '0:59', 'text': 'Sure.'},\n {'end_time': '1:06', 'start_time': '0:59', 'text': 'So so whenever kids our age especially learn about history, they learn, you know, about the more recent history, like the medieval times or the independence movement.'},\n {'end_time': '1:07', 'start_time': '1:06', 'text': 'Sure.'},\n {'end_time': '1:09', 'start_time': '1:07', 'text': \"But India's got, like, more than a 10000 year old history.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:10', 'start_time': '1:09', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '1:19', 'start_time': '1:10', 'text': \"And there's actually a lot of history we're not taught in school, including things that are very dark, things that are related to the occult, things that, you know, seem larger than life.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:23', 'start_time': '1:20', 'text': \"So so that's what this podcast is gonna be about.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:33', 'start_time': '1:23', 'text': \"In fact, I'm so happy that you're touching upon some finer points because, you know, as you know, Ranveer, every time we meet, it generally starts with the YouTube channel and everything that you're doing.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:36', 'start_time': '1:33', 'text': 'But slowly, it gets into the next other worldly topics.'},\n {'end_time': '1:39', 'start_time': '1:36', 'text': 'And most important, the spiritual aspects which we always discover.'},\n {'end_time': '1:41', 'start_time': '1:39', 'text': \"I'm sure you're gonna, Touch upon that.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:45', 'start_time': '1:41', 'text': 'Touch upon that and ask and dig some real stuff from me also.'},\n {'end_time': '1:45', 'start_time': '1:45', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '1:47', 'start_time': '1:45', 'text': \"So we're gonna go very deep on this.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:49', 'start_time': '1:47', 'text': \"Let's actually jump straight in.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:57', 'start_time': '1:49', 'text': 'One very interesting topic I wanna start off this podcast with is this conspiracy theory about, the Aryans, the so called Aryans.'},\n {'end_time': '2:02', 'start_time': '1:57', 'text': 'Now one thing I strongly believe is that history is written by winners of war.'},\n {'end_time': '2:02', 'start_time': '2:02', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '2:09', 'start_time': '2:02', 'text': 'As in if someone has won a war, they will always write the history textbook according to what favors them.'},\n {'end_time': '2:09', 'start_time': '2:09', 'text': 'Sure.'},\n {'end_time': '2:11', 'start_time': '2:09', 'text': 'Or to make the losing side feel a little bad.'},\n {'end_time': '2:12', 'start_time': '2:11', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '2:14', 'start_time': '2:12', 'text': \"You know, to kind of make the losing side's morale spoil.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:15', 'start_time': '2:14', 'text': 'Down.'},\n {'end_time': '2:15', 'start_time': '2:15', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '2:22', 'start_time': '2:15', 'text': \"And that's something I strongly believe about, I think the 18th century when Europeans actually defeated a lot of Indians in war.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:24', 'start_time': '2:22', 'text': 'So a lot of our history got erased.'},\n {'end_time': '2:24', 'start_time': '2:24', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '2:26', 'start_time': '2:24', 'text': \"That's what I strongly believe, and it's just surfacing out right now.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:27', 'start_time': '2:26', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '2:32', 'start_time': '2:27', 'text': 'One of the things we were taught is that, there was a race called the Dravidians Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '2:36', 'start_time': '2:32', 'text': 'Who, you know, were in the Indus Valley civilization.'},\n {'end_time': '2:36', 'start_time': '2:36', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '2:41', 'start_time': '2:36', 'text': 'And then there was a race that came in from central Europe, central Asia, mainly Europe.'},\n {'end_time': '2:43', 'start_time': '2:41', 'text': \"A white skinned race called Aryan's.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:50', 'start_time': '2:44', 'text': \"And that's why they say, oh, Punjabis are fair and then the rest of India is not because of Dravidians, which I think is not true at all.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:50', 'start_time': '2:50', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '2:50', 'start_time': '2:50', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '2:51', 'start_time': '2:50', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '2:53', 'start_time': '2:51', 'text': 'So so actually would you like to add anything about this?'},\n {'end_time': '2:55', 'start_time': '2:53', 'text': 'Like, what is your understanding of this topic?'},\n {'end_time': '2:55', 'start_time': '2:55', 'text': 'Sure.'},\n {'end_time': '2:56', 'start_time': '2:55', 'text': 'And what is the truth?'},\n {'end_time': '2:58', 'start_time': '2:57', 'text': 'So let us look at it this way.'},\n {'end_time': '3:01', 'start_time': '2:59', 'text': 'To start with the word Aryan.'},\n {'end_time': '3:06', 'start_time': '3:01', 'text': 'So when you speak about the word Aryan, it has been used in the world history, not only in India.'},\n {'end_time': '3:11', 'start_time': '3:06', 'text': 'In Germany also, they use this word Aryan and they say what is an Aryan?'},\n {'end_time': '3:17', 'start_time': '3:11', 'text': 'It is a noble race that is how the whole thing starts, but if you look at Sanskrit, I mean very fortunate to actually study Sanskrit.'},\n {'end_time': '3:22', 'start_time': '3:18', 'text': 'The word Aryan comes from the word aarya, which means a noble person.'},\n {'end_time': '3:26', 'start_time': '3:22', 'text': \"So when you say the Aryan, it's not just a race, it's also quality of a person.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:35', 'start_time': '3:27', 'text': 'So if you look at Mahabharata, the book, which is much more beyond, you know, for 1000 of years, maybe 5000 years, the word Aryan comes very common over there.'},\n {'end_time': '3:41', 'start_time': '3:35', 'text': 'So when somebody is addressing saying that sir, madam, gentleman in our generation, you say, oh, Arya.'},\n {'end_time': '3:46', 'start_time': '3:41', 'text': 'So this Aryan word, first of all, as a word is very common in Indian culture.'},\n {'end_time': '3:50', 'start_time': '3:46', 'text': 'Now coming back, if you look at the world history, there were movements of power politics.'},\n {'end_time': '3:51', 'start_time': '3:51', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '3:58', 'start_time': '3:51', 'text': 'Where, you know, what we call in India, casteism, across the world you find the word racism, the race theory across the globe.'},\n {'end_time': '4:02', 'start_time': '3:58', 'text': 'So you will see for the Britain world or the western world, race became a very important point.'},\n {'end_time': '4:06', 'start_time': '4:02', 'text': \"If you look at world wars also, it's about race, the Aryan theory.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:17', 'start_time': '4:06', 'text': 'And if you look at Hitler, the German culture, so prominently this whole theory of Aryan invasion is something that somebody best came from there and I just told him the But that some someone wrote in our history books.'},\n {'end_time': '4:20', 'start_time': '4:18', 'text': 'Essay but there is only one side to it.'},\n {'end_time': '4:25', 'start_time': '4:20', 'text': 'So the western world talks about the historical fact that we came to civilize you.'},\n {'end_time': '4:34', 'start_time': '4:25', 'text': \"So you know the Britishers came and you know we were a backward kind of a, stone age, and they came and maybe made us more human beings, but that's not true.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:42', 'start_time': '4:35', 'text': 'So but, you know, then the backup that westerners have for this Aryan theory is that if you actually see genetic profiles of North Indians Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '4:51', 'start_time': '4:42', 'text': 'And then if you compare them to people in Central Asia, like Uzbekistan or, you know, Central Europe, like Ukraine, There are some matches, DNA matches.'},\n {'end_time': '4:58', 'start_time': '4:51', 'text': 'Now what I read from my historical studies, reading autobiography for yogi, you know, books like that, actual Indian spiritual books.'},\n {'end_time': '5:02', 'start_time': '4:58', 'text': 'They say that, Indian culture was so advanced compared to the rest of the world.'},\n {'end_time': '5:07', 'start_time': '5:03', 'text': 'Say 15, 20000 years back that people actually left India and went and settled to Ukraine.'},\n {'end_time': '5:11', 'start_time': '5:07', 'text': 'It went and settled in Ukraine, went and took our culture to central Europe.'},\n {'end_time': '5:13', 'start_time': '5:11', 'text': \"That's how you see the match of the Yes.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:13', 'start_time': '5:13', 'text': 'True.'},\n {'end_time': '5:16', 'start_time': '5:13', 'text': 'And this is something that all our Indian spiritual books strongly believe in.'},\n {'end_time': '5:17', 'start_time': '5:16', 'text': 'Sure.'},\n {'end_time': '5:21', 'start_time': '5:17', 'text': 'So so what is your take on this Aryan theory finally?'},\n {'end_time': '5:27', 'start_time': '5:21', 'text': 'Was there actually a tribe that came to India, conquered the Dravidians, drove them out of the Indus valley civilization?'},\n {'end_time': '5:28', 'start_time': '5:27', 'text': 'Did that actually happen?'},\n {'end_time': '5:28', 'start_time': '5:28', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '5:38', 'start_time': '5:28', 'text': \"So I think you spoke about it very rightly that if you look at India geographically, there's a big division in the center, the Vindhyatch Mountains, the Maharashtra and below, and the Maharashtra above.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:45', 'start_time': '5:38', 'text': 'It was not very easy to conquer, Maharashtra and below because of the mountainous regions, you know, and south was comparatively protected.'},\n {'end_time': '5:56', 'start_time': '5:45', 'text': \"It's not that we did not have inventions in the south, but if you look at the north, you know, once they cross, the Punjab and there's a lot of this foreign people who directly came in.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:00', 'start_time': '5:56', 'text': 'But after Maharashtra, we had lot of resistance, thanks to the Maratha culture on those things.'},\n {'end_time': '6:03', 'start_time': '6:00', 'text': 'And deep south, they kept the culture very intact.'},\n {'end_time': '6:06', 'start_time': '6:03', 'text': 'The temples, the monument, they were still very protected.'},\n {'end_time': '6:11', 'start_time': '6:06', 'text': 'So the one, theory that goes as you rightly pointed out is the Dravidians and the Aryans.'},\n {'end_time': '6:20', 'start_time': '6:11', 'text': 'So if you divide into half, then the people above are Aryans with them very, white in color and they have a different way of body structure.'},\n {'end_time': '6:25', 'start_time': '6:20', 'text': \"The caucasian features like The caucasian features and deep within south it's all about you know being dark skin.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:30', 'start_time': '6:25', 'text': \"It's not true I think if you look at the south Indian Brahmin they also are having caucasian features.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:32', 'start_time': '6:30', 'text': 'If you look at Marashtans, many of them have blue colored eyes.'},\n {'end_time': '6:33', 'start_time': '6:32', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '6:33', 'start_time': '6:33', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '6:33', 'start_time': '6:33', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '6:35', 'start_time': '6:33', 'text': 'So where does all things come up?'},\n {'end_time': '6:36', 'start_time': '6:35', 'text': \"So I say, you know, don't look at the past.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:38', 'start_time': '6:36', 'text': \"Look at saying that there's always been mix and matches.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:39', 'start_time': '6:38', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '6:39', 'start_time': '6:39', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '6:42', 'start_time': '6:39', 'text': 'In fact, I have seen people in north being very dark.'},\n {'end_time': '6:42', 'start_time': '6:42', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '6:42', 'start_time': '6:42', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '6:43', 'start_time': '6:42', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '6:43', 'start_time': '6:43', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '6:46', 'start_time': '6:43', 'text': \"And it doesn't mean that, you know, they're they're not not Indians.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:46', 'start_time': '6:46', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '6:53', 'start_time': '6:46', 'text': 'So I think what is interesting is to look at the differences, but maturity says that as you look at the differences, you start seeing commonalities.'},\n {'end_time': '6:54', 'start_time': '6:53', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '6:54', 'start_time': '6:54', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '6:58', 'start_time': '6:54', 'text': 'I actually wanna bring you to the next core topic, which is wars in India.'},\n {'end_time': '6:58', 'start_time': '6:58', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '7:01', 'start_time': '6:58', 'text': 'And we had had this beautiful conversation about wars.'},\n {'end_time': '7:01', 'start_time': '7:01', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '7:03', 'start_time': '7:01', 'text': \"Something that's not spoken enough about wars.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:05', 'start_time': '7:04', 'text': 'In our medieval times Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '7:10', 'start_time': '7:05', 'text': 'By Chanakya himself, there was some dark magic and occult used in the war.'},\n {'end_time': '7:11', 'start_time': '7:10', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '7:13', 'start_time': '7:11', 'text': 'So so you actually read up a lot about occult.'},\n {'end_time': '7:20', 'start_time': '7:13', 'text': \"And for those of you who don't know the meaning of occult, occult is basically, like, I think the Hindi word for it would be something like, like, you know, am I correct?\"},\n {'end_time': '7:21', 'start_time': '7:20', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '7:21', 'start_time': '7:21', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '7:21', 'start_time': '7:21', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '7:24', 'start_time': '7:22', 'text': 'Or dark things, you know, ghosts, demons, things like that.'},\n {'end_time': '7:24', 'start_time': '7:24', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '7:25', 'start_time': '7:24', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '7:26', 'start_time': '7:25', 'text': \"Witches, all that's included in occult.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:27', 'start_time': '7:26', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '7:27', 'start_time': '7:27', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '7:30', 'start_time': '7:27', 'text': 'So what is this element of Chanakya using occult to defeat his enemies?'},\n {'end_time': '7:31', 'start_time': '7:30', 'text': 'Can you just, like, break it down?'},\n {'end_time': '7:32', 'start_time': '7:31', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '7:39', 'start_time': '7:32', 'text': 'So let me tell you occult and what you call black magic and things like that, other worldly practices is used across the globe.'},\n {'end_time': '7:41', 'start_time': '7:39', 'text': 'Like, they do in Africa and all that.'},\n {'end_time': '7:41', 'start_time': '7:41', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '7:47', 'start_time': '7:41', 'text': \"And if you look at even, Harry Potter's, on many of these modern things, you have the concept of witches.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:50', 'start_time': '7:48', 'text': 'And you know, there is a lady who will do some magic.'},\n {'end_time': '7:54', 'start_time': '7:51', 'text': 'So please understand this that, what is occurred from an Indian perspective?'},\n {'end_time': '8:01', 'start_time': '7:55', 'text': 'See, the you rightly put it, there is a darker side to it, which is not generally spoken about kalajadu and all those things.'},\n {'end_time': '8:19', 'start_time': '8:01', 'text': \"Now what happens is that if you look at things that are known and things that are unknown and typically what happens is that when you are not able to find success in the known methods, you try to look at unknown methods And that's where, you know, slowly from faith in God, you start even worshiping the devils.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:23', 'start_time': '8:19', 'text': 'So there are, you know, people who pray to bhoot, pray, and, you know, get things in place.'},\n {'end_time': '8:29', 'start_time': '8:25', 'text': 'It still happens, and there are lot of systems, which promotes kalajayadhu.'},\n {'end_time': '8:34', 'start_time': '8:29', 'text': \"I'm very careful about this whole thing because once you get into that it's a mental trap.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:41', 'start_time': '8:34', 'text': 'So let me also give the other side before I tell you about Chanakhi and the wars and that as there is black magic, there is also white magic.'},\n {'end_time': '8:43', 'start_time': '8:41', 'text': 'Not many people have heard about what is white magic.'},\n {'end_time': '8:44', 'start_time': '8:43', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '8:46', 'start_time': '8:44', 'text': 'So what is black magic the darker side of it?'},\n {'end_time': '8:50', 'start_time': '8:46', 'text': 'White magic is actually healing you to the right methods.'},\n {'end_time': '8:50', 'start_time': '8:50', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '8:52', 'start_time': '8:50', 'text': 'So invite the other worldly people.'},\n {'end_time': '8:58', 'start_time': '8:52', 'text': 'So the people who invite the demons and the devils or the all cult, but the people who invoke the devtas Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '8:59', 'start_time': '8:58', 'text': 'They are also using it.'},\n {'end_time': '9:05', 'start_time': '8:59', 'text': 'So at the very superficial level, you know, if you look at 2 people fighting Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '9:08', 'start_time': '9:05', 'text': \"Or 2 kingdoms fighting, it's generally known as the military war.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:09', 'start_time': '9:08', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '9:19', 'start_time': '9:09', 'text': 'Where we have people who are having the army with soldiers, elephants, better weapons, but as things become bigger, it becomes subtler.'},\n {'end_time': '9:20', 'start_time': '9:19', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '9:30', 'start_time': '9:20', 'text': \"So he said, okay, he's got this, I got so can I use So what happens at one particular point of time, Chanakya also realized that, you know, we need to use other worldly practices?\"},\n {'end_time': '9:35', 'start_time': '9:30', 'text': \"I'm not here to recommend that, but the reality is that it is practiced even today to some extent.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:38', 'start_time': '9:35', 'text': 'So so but what was the practice, like, exactly?'},\n {'end_time': '9:38', 'start_time': '9:38', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '9:42', 'start_time': '9:38', 'text': 'So if you read the Arthashastra, this is actually mentioned in detail.'},\n {'end_time': '9:46', 'start_time': '9:42', 'text': 'So what they will do is that, like, if you look at the the positive part of it.'},\n {'end_time': '9:49', 'start_time': '9:46', 'text': 'So today we do yagna, havan, you know.'},\n {'end_time': '9:57', 'start_time': '9:49', 'text': \"So we call the priest, and then we put certain, ahusi's in it, and, you know, and then we invoke the god and saying that, oh god, you know, give me this particular thing.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:58', 'start_time': '9:57', 'text': \"You're bringing positive energy into our place.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:58', 'start_time': '9:58', 'text': 'Positive energy.'},\n {'end_time': '10:12', 'start_time': '9:58', 'text': \"If you look at the other side of it, you actually invoke the darker gurus, the darker devtas, and the ahoots would be sacrifice, the animal animal sacrifice, and you get all the so everything is mentioned in detail, and then you'll look at it a little bit negatively.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:18', 'start_time': '10:13', 'text': 'I said, okay, this veda practice is not practiced by Chanakya, but even the people before it.'},\n {'end_time': '10:30', 'start_time': '10:18', 'text': 'So if you look at there were many gurus, some gurus actually promoted it in a big way like we have and So one is the devata of the gods and other is devata of the demons.'},\n {'end_time': '10:32', 'start_time': '10:30', 'text': 'So they will use all this occult practice.'},\n {'end_time': '10:36', 'start_time': '10:32', 'text': 'The chanaka mentions and said okay let us try this and not try this.'},\n {'end_time': '10:42', 'start_time': '10:36', 'text': 'So, what is interesting it goes into even finding out certain parts of maybe an animal.'},\n {'end_time': '10:43', 'start_time': '10:42', 'text': 'Secrets of like the enemy?'},\n {'end_time': '10:44', 'start_time': '10:43', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '10:49', 'start_time': '10:44', 'text': \"So, they they practice it, they use it, there's witchcraft involved and things like that.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:53', 'start_time': '10:49', 'text': 'So what happens, you know, in those days everything is fair in love and war.'},\n {'end_time': '10:55', 'start_time': '10:53', 'text': 'So they used many techniques including the occult.'},\n {'end_time': '11:01', 'start_time': '10:55', 'text': 'But so what was the result of the occult on the enemy like they used to fall ill, they used to get demoralized like?'},\n {'end_time': '11:10', 'start_time': '11:02', 'text': 'So there are 3 levels of occult, 1 is at the physical level, the second is at the mental level and the third is the intellectual or spiritual level I would say.'},\n {'end_time': '11:16', 'start_time': '11:10', 'text': \"At the physical level you know a person actually what we call in today's generation probably what is that?\"},\n {'end_time': '11:18', 'start_time': '11:16', 'text': 'Bio chemicals.'},\n {'end_time': '11:18', 'start_time': '11:18', 'text': 'Uh-huh.'},\n {'end_time': '11:19', 'start_time': '11:18', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '11:21', 'start_time': '11:19', 'text': 'So Chemicals of warfare.'},\n {'end_time': '11:22', 'start_time': '11:21', 'text': 'Warfare.'},\n {'end_time': '11:22', 'start_time': '11:22', 'text': 'Exactly.'},\n {'end_time': '11:24', 'start_time': '11:22', 'text': 'So, you know, you just pollute a complete river.'},\n {'end_time': '11:24', 'start_time': '11:24', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '11:24', 'start_time': '11:24', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '11:26', 'start_time': '11:24', 'text': 'And then everybody drinks it and everybody dies.'},\n {'end_time': '11:27', 'start_time': '11:26', 'text': \"So that's the very physical aspect.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:33', 'start_time': '11:27', 'text': 'But at the mental level what happens, you know, the whole people lose their mental balance.'},\n {'end_time': '11:35', 'start_time': '11:33', 'text': 'The whole society goes crazy.'},\n {'end_time': '11:37', 'start_time': '11:35', 'text': 'The intellectual level you confuse them.'},\n {'end_time': '11:37', 'start_time': '11:37', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '11:42', 'start_time': '11:38', 'text': 'So you know what is it that you send us wrong message and people start believing it.'},\n {'end_time': '11:42', 'start_time': '11:42', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '11:47', 'start_time': '11:42', 'text': \"So what's interesting is that finally, in the game of war, you try various techniques.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:53', 'start_time': '11:47', 'text': \"And and the world history, not only in India, it's all about, you know, getting, to the winning side come what it means.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:59', 'start_time': '11:53', 'text': 'So in the western philosophy, Greek philosophy, philosophy specifically, you have the Torjan horse.'},\n {'end_time': '12:00', 'start_time': '11:59', 'text': 'Have you heard about the Torjan horse?'},\n {'end_time': '12:01', 'start_time': '12:00', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '12:01', 'start_time': '12:01', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '12:05', 'start_time': '12:01', 'text': 'So you send a whole horse as a gift and finally the people come out of it and kill the enemy.'},\n {'end_time': '12:05', 'start_time': '12:05', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '12:07', 'start_time': '12:05', 'text': \"It's a Torjan horse as they call it.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:09', 'start_time': '12:07', 'text': 'And then so what is all this?'},\n {'end_time': '12:11', 'start_time': '12:09', 'text': 'Trying to use the negative practices to be known with the enemy.'},\n {'end_time': '12:12', 'start_time': '12:11', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '12:12', 'start_time': '12:12', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '12:17', 'start_time': '12:12', 'text': \"So basically, and like and little bit little bit I'm sure there's deeper stuff.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:19', 'start_time': '12:17', 'text': \"There's also like mental and spiritual trauma.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:29', 'start_time': '12:19', 'text': 'Let me also tell you, you know, you have to be very very physically, mentally, and intellectually strong to understand this because if you use this, this can actually rebound on you.'},\n {'end_time': '12:32', 'start_time': '12:29', 'text': 'Like karma, like it can hit you back.'},\n {'end_time': '12:32', 'start_time': '12:32', 'text': 'Exactly.'},\n {'end_time': '12:36', 'start_time': '12:32', 'text': 'So if you misuse it, you can be the one get affected.'},\n {'end_time': '12:42', 'start_time': '12:36', 'text': 'Let me tell you, I know of a person, I really know of a particular person who used to do all these things and it was, like, very shocking for me.'},\n {'end_time': '12:42', 'start_time': '12:42', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '12:48', 'start_time': '12:42', 'text': 'And he said, you know, I never ever promote what happened because my father actually got impacted by that.'},\n {'end_time': '12:48', 'start_time': '12:48', 'text': 'Oh, wow.'},\n {'end_time': '12:49', 'start_time': '12:48', 'text': 'His father went crazy.'},\n {'end_time': '13:00', 'start_time': '12:50', 'text': 'Suppose and who knew it the science and studied it lot of witchcraft and all those things you you know, I stopped it because I realized when I was trying to use it to somebody, it actually came to my family.'},\n {'end_time': '13:06', 'start_time': '13:00', 'text': 'So be very careful, It can rebound and what you want to destroy somebody else can actually destroy you.'},\n {'end_time': '13:07', 'start_time': '13:06', 'text': 'Be very careful.'},\n {'end_time': '13:11', 'start_time': '13:07', 'text': \"So I think actually this is a very deep topic and we'll we'll touch upon this in another whole podcast.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:15', 'start_time': '13:11', 'text': \"Right now let's move on to the next great Indian conspiracy.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:31', 'start_time': '13:15', 'text': \"So sir as you know I'm a huge fan and a huge follower of YSS, which is the Yoganand Satsang Society, which is run by which is originally founded by mister Yoganand Paramansaji, who is also my yoga guru.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:34', 'start_time': '13:31', 'text': 'His book autobiography for yoga has influenced me a lot.'},\n {'end_time': '13:36', 'start_time': '13:34', 'text': \"It's influenced Virat Kohli a lot.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:38', 'start_time': '13:36', 'text': \"It's influenced Steve Jobs a lot.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:42', 'start_time': '13:38', 'text': 'And really I feel like that book has all the answers you could ever have in life.'},\n {'end_time': '13:42', 'start_time': '13:42', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '13:43', 'start_time': '13:42', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '13:47', 'start_time': '13:43', 'text': \"If I've not read the book, make sure you do because it's a life changing book.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:47', 'start_time': '13:47', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '13:51', 'start_time': '13:47', 'text': \"It's a book that has influenced millions of people directly.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:52', 'start_time': '13:52', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '13:54', 'start_time': '13:52', 'text': \"And I'm sure if you read it And millions of leaders?\"},\n {'end_time': '13:55', 'start_time': '13:54', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '13:55', 'start_time': '13:55', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '13:58', 'start_time': '13:55', 'text': \"And so that's a must read if I've not read it.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:59', 'start_time': '13:58', 'text': 'Sorry.'},\n {'end_time': '13:59', 'start_time': '13:59', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '14:01', 'start_time': '13:59', 'text': \"But it's also very heavy book to read.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:02', 'start_time': '14:01', 'text': \"It's not everyone's cup of tea.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:03', 'start_time': '14:02', 'text': 'You have to really spend time on that book.'},\n {'end_time': '14:06', 'start_time': '14:03', 'text': 'You have probably sit to the dictionary on the side and like read it.'},\n {'end_time': '14:07', 'start_time': '14:06', 'text': \"It's very difficult.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:11', 'start_time': '14:07', 'text': 'But but actually got India to a different level in the western world philosophically.'},\n {'end_time': '14:11', 'start_time': '14:11', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '14:13', 'start_time': '14:11', 'text': \"It's deep but it's sure to impact you.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:19', 'start_time': '14:14', 'text': 'And, so one of the key, stories mentioned in that book okay.'},\n {'end_time': '14:26', 'start_time': '14:19', 'text': \"Before I talk about the story, let's talk about one of the key angles of the book is that there's too many parallels between ancient yogic culture Yes.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:26', 'start_time': '14:26', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '14:27', 'start_time': '14:26', 'text': 'And the bible.'},\n {'end_time': '14:27', 'start_time': '14:27', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '14:29', 'start_time': '14:27', 'text': 'There is too many parallels.'},\n {'end_time': '14:36', 'start_time': '14:29', 'text': \"Like, they've actually almost in every chapter, they extract a verse from the bible and then compare it to something which is a teaching from yoga.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:46', 'start_time': '14:38', 'text': \"Let's not get into the details of the philosophies, but let's talk about one of the stories, which was that, if you actually study the history of Jesus Christ.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:46', 'start_time': '14:46', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '14:48', 'start_time': '14:46', 'text': 'So I think he was born around Israel.'},\n {'end_time': '14:51', 'start_time': '14:48', 'text': 'Like, he was born Jerusalem, and that was his general area, Israel, Palestine.'},\n {'end_time': '14:54', 'start_time': '14:51', 'text': \"So there's a track record of him till the point where he's a teenager.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:59', 'start_time': '14:55', 'text': \"And then directly, we jump to the point where he's, 30 years and above.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:05', 'start_time': '14:59', 'text': \"And there's one whole period in the middle when no one knows where he went, what he did, and there's no track record of that.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:11', 'start_time': '15:05', 'text': 'Now according to ancient Indian books, according to yogic sciences, they talk about Jesus Christ.'},\n {'end_time': '15:11', 'start_time': '15:11', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '15:22', 'start_time': '15:11', 'text': 'And they say that he actually spent a lot of time in India learning something called Kriya yoga, which is also the main kind of teaching of the y axis, the main teaching of the autobiography of a yogi.'},\n {'end_time': '15:31', 'start_time': '15:22', 'text': \"So to give the viewers some kind of a introduction to Kriya yoga, this is a whole podcast topic by itself, but it's basically a very advanced form of yoga.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:35', 'start_time': '15:31', 'text': \"Now when normally people think of yoga, they think of all those asanas and you're bending your body in different ways.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:37', 'start_time': '15:35', 'text': 'But yoga has a lot to do with your mind also.'},\n {'end_time': '15:39', 'start_time': '15:37', 'text': 'You can bend your mind in different ways.'},\n {'end_time': '15:41', 'start_time': '15:39', 'text': 'You can, you know, work with your soul in different ways.'},\n {'end_time': '15:45', 'start_time': '15:41', 'text': 'And Kriya Yoga involves your mind and your soul a lot as much as it does your body.'},\n {'end_time': '15:46', 'start_time': '15:45', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '15:49', 'start_time': '15:46', 'text': 'The result of this is that you get a lot of spiritual progress.'},\n {'end_time': '15:53', 'start_time': '15:50', 'text': 'Like, by doing your Kriya yoga, you advance a lot spiritually.'},\n {'end_time': '15:54', 'start_time': '15:53', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '15:57', 'start_time': '15:54', 'text': 'Which leads to actually, on a biological level, brain development.'},\n {'end_time': '16:01', 'start_time': '15:58', 'text': 'It adds a lot of, capacity to your brain.'},\n {'end_time': '16:04', 'start_time': '16:01', 'text': 'You know, when they say, oh, your human mind only uses 7 to 8% of its total capacity.'},\n {'end_time': '16:05', 'start_time': '16:04', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '16:10', 'start_time': '16:05', 'text': 'An activity like kriyoga unlocks the remaining 92%, the remaining 90% of it.'},\n {'end_time': '16:13', 'start_time': '16:11', 'text': \"And that's what they say Jesus Christ did for 12 years.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:14', 'start_time': '16:13', 'text': 'He went to the Himalayas.'},\n {'end_time': '16:20', 'start_time': '16:14', 'text': 'He got trained by the local Kriya yogis, and then took that knowledge out west.'},\n {'end_time': '16:29', 'start_time': '16:20', 'text': 'And if you actually go and see the origins of any kind of religion in the world, it always somehow begins with something related to yoga.'},\n {'end_time': '16:38', 'start_time': '16:29', 'text': \"I'm not saying related to Hinduism or India, just related to yoga as a concept, Manipulating the human body, manipulating the the human mind to achieve your maximum potential.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:38', 'start_time': '16:38', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '16:44', 'start_time': '16:38', 'text': 'Now Kriya Yoga was lost both in India and by the west over time because people stopped practicing it.'},\n {'end_time': '16:44', 'start_time': '16:44', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '16:44', 'start_time': '16:44', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '16:45', 'start_time': '16:44', 'text': \"But it's arising again.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:48', 'start_time': '16:45', 'text': 'People are getting more aware about it in the times we live in.'},\n {'end_time': '16:56', 'start_time': '16:49', 'text': 'So so my question to you is have you heard the story of Jesus and, what do you have to say about, like, this whole so called conspiracy theory?'},\n {'end_time': '16:56', 'start_time': '16:56', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '16:57', 'start_time': '16:56', 'text': 'Of course.'},\n {'end_time': '17:01', 'start_time': '16:57', 'text': 'I heard about this and, you know, a lot of people have written about it.'},\n {'end_time': '17:05', 'start_time': '17:01', 'text': 'There are fictional novels about it and historical references also about it.'},\n {'end_time': '17:10', 'start_time': '17:05', 'text': 'And as you rightly pointed out, if you read Autobiography of Yogi, you do get references of it.'},\n {'end_time': '17:17', 'start_time': '17:10', 'text': \"Now I'm not a scholar on the subject, but I wouldn't be against this particular theory saying that, you know, Jesus never came to India.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:17', 'start_time': '17:17', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '17:25', 'start_time': '17:18', 'text': \"I'll tell you logically for me, it looks that anybody who has served the world directly and directly is a spiritual person.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:26', 'start_time': '17:25', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '17:28', 'start_time': '17:26', 'text': 'And whichever part of the world you are in.'},\n {'end_time': '17:32', 'start_time': '17:28', 'text': 'And India has been the the center of spirituality for the whole world Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '17:34', 'start_time': '17:32', 'text': 'For human history.'},\n {'end_time': '17:37', 'start_time': '17:34', 'text': 'So whether he physically came or no, this could be debatable.'},\n {'end_time': '17:44', 'start_time': '17:37', 'text': \"But the fact that I'm sure whichever era, whoever a great master lived, he or she has got influenced by India.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:46', 'start_time': '17:44', 'text': 'And let me come very specific, the Himalayas.'},\n {'end_time': '17:47', 'start_time': '17:47', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '17:52', 'start_time': '17:47', 'text': \"So what has happened about this particular great country is that, you know, it's almost like a spiritual center.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:53', 'start_time': '17:52', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '17:55', 'start_time': '17:53', 'text': \"Now let's say I have this particular hall and I wanna charge a mobile.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:56', 'start_time': '17:55', 'text': \"I'm gonna use a mobile.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:00', 'start_time': '17:56', 'text': \"But there'll be some particular point in where I have to go charge it.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:00', 'start_time': '18:00', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '18:03', 'start_time': '18:00', 'text': 'So India has always been the spiritual charging part of all spiritual gurus.'},\n {'end_time': '18:04', 'start_time': '18:03', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '18:04', 'start_time': '18:04', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '18:09', 'start_time': '18:04', 'text': 'So directly and directly, I know that this theory could be true because he must have come here.'},\n {'end_time': '18:10', 'start_time': '18:09', 'text': 'And, I read somewhere.'},\n {'end_time': '18:15', 'start_time': '18:10', 'text': \"I don't remember where the refer what the reference is that he actually went to a particular place in Kashmir.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:15', 'start_time': '18:15', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '18:21', 'start_time': '18:15', 'text': 'And there is a particular place where a name is equal to Jesus and there is some books written on it.'},\n {'end_time': '18:23', 'start_time': '18:21', 'text': 'Coming back, what is the essence of it?'},\n {'end_time': '18:26', 'start_time': '18:23', 'text': 'The essence whether he came or known is one part of it.'},\n {'end_time': '18:28', 'start_time': '18:26', 'text': 'What is Jesus respected as a great saint?'},\n {'end_time': '18:29', 'start_time': '18:28', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '18:35', 'start_time': '18:29', 'text': \"And if you look at his theories, they're very much, close to what we Indians believed in, the theory of nonviolence.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:36', 'start_time': '18:36', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '18:42', 'start_time': '18:36', 'text': 'So if you look at the parallels, I mean he was a great saint who believed, you know, whatever be thy will be done.'},\n {'end_time': '18:44', 'start_time': '18:42', 'text': \"I mean, that's exactly what we believe in India.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:44', 'start_time': '18:44', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '18:48', 'start_time': '18:44', 'text': \"In our country, you're saying that you do your best and leave the rest.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:53', 'start_time': '18:48', 'text': \"So what happens is that you may do everything, but at the end of it, finally it's about giving up to something higher.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:54', 'start_time': '18:53', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '19:01', 'start_time': '18:54', 'text': 'The other thing I definitely believe in is that you know, the impact that Jesus created is among very few people in this world would have done.'},\n {'end_time': '19:05', 'start_time': '19:01', 'text': 'Swami Vivekananda speaks about Jesus and the impact that he had globally.'},\n {'end_time': '19:10', 'start_time': '19:05', 'text': 'So I think whether you follow a religion or not, they are some of the greatest masters of the world.'},\n {'end_time': '19:15', 'start_time': '19:10', 'text': 'And if you study their life and you come and say, yes, these are basically some of the common yogic practices.'},\n {'end_time': '19:18', 'start_time': '19:15', 'text': 'Let me give you one instance to draw a commonality.'},\n {'end_time': '19:20', 'start_time': '19:19', 'text': 'The bible.'},\n {'end_time': '19:23', 'start_time': '19:20', 'text': 'Maybe the followers of Jesus who documented the bible and all.'},\n {'end_time': '19:25', 'start_time': '19:23', 'text': \"Let's say about, you know, everything began with a sound.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:28', 'start_time': '19:26', 'text': \"For us it's om.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:28', 'start_time': '19:28', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '19:30', 'start_time': '19:28', 'text': 'Om is a creation of the whole world.'},\n {'end_time': '19:35', 'start_time': '19:30', 'text': 'So if you look at there are parallels and again, om comes from a lot of theories that we have in yoga.'},\n {'end_time': '19:37', 'start_time': '19:35', 'text': 'The pranayama, a lot of these scriptural concepts.'},\n {'end_time': '19:41', 'start_time': '19:37', 'text': 'So no doubt about it that it could be a real fact that Jesus must have come to India.'},\n {'end_time': '19:44', 'start_time': '19:42', 'text': 'Absolutely, will you accept it or know the reference or no?'},\n {'end_time': '19:45', 'start_time': '19:44', 'text': 'But why not, you know?'},\n {'end_time': '19:46', 'start_time': '19:45', 'text': 'And what are we saying?'},\n {'end_time': '19:48', 'start_time': '19:46', 'text': \"It's actually a great spiritual practice called the Kriya yoga.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:51', 'start_time': '19:49', 'text': 'The last point is that what is Kriya yoga?'},\n {'end_time': '19:52', 'start_time': '19:51', 'text': 'I think, you mentioned about it.'},\n {'end_time': '19:53', 'start_time': '19:52', 'text': 'Please practice it.'},\n {'end_time': '19:57', 'start_time': '19:54', 'text': 'But it it needs to be trained, like you need to be trained in it.'},\n {'end_time': '19:57', 'start_time': '19:57', 'text': 'Through a guru.'},\n {'end_time': '19:58', 'start_time': '19:57', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '19:58', 'start_time': '19:58', 'text': 'Through guru.'},\n {'end_time': '19:59', 'start_time': '19:58', 'text': 'Never do it alone, you know.'},\n {'end_time': '20:01', 'start_time': '19:59', 'text': \"If you do yoga on your own, that's okay.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:05', 'start_time': '20:01', 'text': \"But, you know, when you get to final aspects of yoga, if you don't have a guru, you can break your back.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:06', 'start_time': '20:05', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '20:08', 'start_time': '20:06', 'text': 'The same way, Kriya yoga is not a physical level.'},\n {'end_time': '20:10', 'start_time': '20:08', 'text': \"It's highly intellectual, mental, you know.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:11', 'start_time': '20:10', 'text': 'You can go bonkers.'},\n {'end_time': '20:11', 'start_time': '20:11', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '20:13', 'start_time': '20:11', 'text': 'So practice whichever form.'},\n {'end_time': '20:15', 'start_time': '20:13', 'text': 'Even if you want to learn cricket, you require a coach.'},\n {'end_time': '20:15', 'start_time': '20:15', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '20:23', 'start_time': '20:15', 'text': 'So if you have to practice Kriya yoga, make sure that you are having the right guru who will teach you in that particular path because sometimes you get get misguided.'},\n {'end_time': '20:28', 'start_time': '20:23', 'text': 'If you want to achieve the highest form of yoga, be it Kriya yoga or anything, make sure you have a guru.'},\n {'end_time': '20:29', 'start_time': '20:28', 'text': 'Are you a Kriya yogi?'},\n {'end_time': '20:34', 'start_time': '20:29', 'text': 'I am a practitioner of meditation for my practice form is basically the Vedantic method Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '20:36', 'start_time': '20:35', 'text': 'Which we call the Pancha Koshas.'},\n {'end_time': '20:38', 'start_time': '20:36', 'text': \"And again, it's parallel to Kriya yoga.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:40', 'start_time': '20:38', 'text': 'So you may choose various paths.'},\n {'end_time': '20:40', 'start_time': '20:40', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '20:43', 'start_time': '20:40', 'text': \"So my path is Vedantic but that doesn't mean I'm different from Kriya Yoga.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:43', 'start_time': '20:43', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '20:43', 'start_time': '20:43', 'text': \"It's the same.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:46', 'start_time': '20:43', 'text': \"Finally, at the end of it, it's all about the mind and merging with the universe.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:46', 'start_time': '20:46', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '20:47', 'start_time': '20:46', 'text': '100%, sir.'},\n {'end_time': '20:52', 'start_time': '20:47', 'text': 'Also, I think a lot of people are wondering kriya yoga start kareye, you know, where can we actually find a guru?'},\n {'end_time': '21:03', 'start_time': '20:52', 'text': 'The practical solution in 2019 is that at least from what I have heard, Isha Foundation, which is run by Sadhguru, they conduct fantastic programs and obviously, you can reach out to your nearest biases.'},\n {'end_time': '21:09', 'start_time': '21:03', 'text': 'That is what I recommend on a personal level, but you really need to, as we call it, vibe with that whole, community.'},\n {'end_time': '21:18', 'start_time': '21:10', 'text': \"If you find sense in what they're saying, if you understand the science that they talk about and you feel the higher, the talking sense, that's when you go for it.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:21', 'start_time': '21:18', 'text': 'When you are 100% sure that, okay, this is where I wanna be.'},\n {'end_time': '21:28', 'start_time': '21:21', 'text': 'And one tip, Rambi, you know this that, you know, instead of waiting for a guru, have the deep urge for wanting a guru.'},\n {'end_time': '21:28', 'start_time': '21:28', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '21:28', 'start_time': '21:28', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '21:30', 'start_time': '21:28', 'text': 'And the guru will appear.'},\n {'end_time': '21:30', 'start_time': '21:30', 'text': 'He will.'},\n {'end_time': '21:31', 'start_time': '21:30', 'text': 'He has to.'},\n {'end_time': '21:35', 'start_time': '21:31', 'text': 'In fact, I always believe that if the student is ready, the teacher would come.'},\n {'end_time': '21:38', 'start_time': '21:35', 'text': 'So if the yogi inside you is ready, the yoga teacher will come.'},\n {'end_time': '21:38', 'start_time': '21:38', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '21:45', 'start_time': '21:38', 'text': 'And so this is like a little bit corny, but for me that situation has happened with you as in a lot of answers I was looking for in life came through your words.'},\n {'end_time': '21:47', 'start_time': '21:46', 'text': 'So so thank you again Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '21:50', 'start_time': '21:47', 'text': 'For being on episode 2 of monkey chat.'},\n {'end_time': '21:51', 'start_time': '21:50', 'text': 'I hope you had fun.'},\n {'end_time': '21:55', 'start_time': '21:51', 'text': \"I didn't have my co host Viraj Sheth with me today, but we're gonna do a lot more of these historical conversations.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:01', 'start_time': '21:56', 'text': 'So guys, Radha Sur and me will always be open to talking about whatever history you wanna talk about.'},\n {'end_time': '22:04', 'start_time': '22:01', 'text': 'Let us know in the comment section what you enjoyed about this podcast.'},\n {'end_time': '22:05', 'start_time': '22:04', 'text': 'What code do you like to change?'},\n {'end_time': '22:08', 'start_time': '22:05', 'text': 'We are developing it for you so that you get maximum knowledge.'},\n {'end_time': '22:09', 'start_time': '22:08', 'text': 'Let us know.'},\n {'end_time': '22:11', 'start_time': '22:09', 'text': 'Follow us across all our platforms.'},\n {'end_time': '22:13', 'start_time': '22:11', 'text': \"I'm gonna link all of Radasur's handles down below.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:22', 'start_time': '22:13', 'text': \"And very importantly, if you wanna get a more of an insight into Radasur's mind, I highly recommend you check out the Ranveer show episode that we did with Radasur on the YouTube channel, Be Your Biceps.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:26', 'start_time': '22:22', 'text': 'Sir, any last parting message to the viewers?'},\n {'end_time': '22:26', 'start_time': '22:26', 'text': 'Of course.'},\n {'end_time': '22:27', 'start_time': '22:26', 'text': 'Of course.'},\n {'end_time': '22:27', 'start_time': '22:27', 'text': 'Of course.'},\n {'end_time': '22:30', 'start_time': '22:27', 'text': 'My journey is about Indianizing Indian wisdom.'},\n {'end_time': '22:32', 'start_time': '22:31', 'text': 'What do you got?'},\n {'end_time': '22:35', 'start_time': '22:32', 'text': 'So the Indian wisdom is looked at from the western standpoint.'},\n {'end_time': '22:39', 'start_time': '22:35', 'text': 'So we have a western version of Indian wisdom that we are actually learning.'},\n {'end_time': '22:41', 'start_time': '22:39', 'text': \"Let's have an Indian way of looking at Indian wisdom.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:48', 'start_time': '22:41', 'text': \"So what we are actually trying to do are probably my life's mission is to say that now, there is Indian wisdom, which everybody knows.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:55', 'start_time': '22:48', 'text': \"There's Indian management, Indian leadership, this is our but you know, it's important to look at it from a pure standpoint from our context.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:55', 'start_time': '22:55', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '22:59', 'start_time': '22:55', 'text': \"It's like a mother looking at a child and then outside looking at the child.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:00', 'start_time': '22:59', 'text': \"Nothing wrong and it's beautiful.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:00', 'start_time': '23:00', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '23:03', 'start_time': '23:00', 'text': \"But when a mother looks, it's not the complete evolution of the child.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:03', 'start_time': '23:03', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '23:04', 'start_time': '23:03', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '23:14', 'start_time': '23:04', 'text': \"So what I'm saying in the purest form, the Indians have a responsibility to study our ancient culture, our Indian history, and probably our whole civilization from a new perspective.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:14', 'start_time': '23:14', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '23:20', 'start_time': '23:14', 'text': 'Last thing which I wanna tell is that the good news, the very good news is that it is still documented and available in the libraries.'},\n {'end_time': '23:23', 'start_time': '23:21', 'text': 'You know, friends, we think that it is all gone.'},\n {'end_time': '23:24', 'start_time': '23:23', 'text': 'It is not gone.'},\n {'end_time': '23:26', 'start_time': '23:24', 'text': 'Only thing is that we are not aware where it exists.'},\n {'end_time': '23:31', 'start_time': '23:26', 'text': \"Go to any library and you'll find thousands of manuscripts in ancient Indian literature still available.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:36', 'start_time': '23:31', 'text': 'Study it and you will give your own perspective and version of the Indian wisdom for the world.'},\n {'end_time': '23:36', 'start_time': '23:36', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '23:37', 'start_time': '23:36', 'text': 'Anyway, thank you, Rada.'},\n {'end_time': '23:39', 'start_time': '23:37', 'text': 'So, again, it was an honor having you on the show.'},\n {'end_time': 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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:01", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "What's good, you guys?" }, { "end_time": "0:06", "start_time": "0:01", "text": "The following podcast contains one of the smartest spiritual conversations that you'll ever come across." }, { "end_time": "0:14", "start_time": "0:06", "text": "I'm gonna take concepts from spirituality and compare it to proven scientific concepts, most specifically, proven quantum physics concepts." }, { "end_time": "0:18", "start_time": "0:15", "text": "If you're new to both spirituality or quantum physics, don't worry about it." }, { "end_time": "0:23", "start_time": "0:18", "text": "We're gonna explain everything in a very basic format, so you'll get it easily." }, { "end_time": "0:26", "start_time": "0:23", "text": "The guest joining me in today's podcast is mister Abhijit Pradhan." }, { "end_time": "0:28", "start_time": "0:26", "text": "He's one of the most learned men in India." }, { "end_time": "0:30", "start_time": "0:28", "text": "He's one of the most well read men." }, { "end_time": "0:34", "start_time": "0:30", "text": "He's one of India's top career coaches as well as one of India's top corporate coaches." }, { "end_time": "0:41", "start_time": "0:34", "text": "He's got a flourishing entrepreneurial career, but on the side, he also likes studying about all these crazy subjects." }, { "end_time": "0:43", "start_time": "0:41", "text": "He's gonna be on the podcast a lot in the future." }, { "end_time": "0:45", "start_time": "0:44", "text": "This is our first episode with Abhijit." }, { "end_time": "0:46", "start_time": "0:46", "text": "Enjoy yourselves." }, { "end_time": "0:51", "start_time": "0:49", "text": "The goal with monkey chat is called ICO." }, { "end_time": "0:53", "start_time": "0:51", "text": "That's intelligent conversations only." }, { "end_time": "0:58", "start_time": "0:53", "text": "I've got one of my most intelligent friends in the house today, mister Abhijit Pradhan." }, { "end_time": "1:03", "start_time": "0:58", "text": "He's one of India's biggest personal coaches as well as one of India's biggest corporate coaches." }, { "end_time": "1:06", "start_time": "1:03", "text": "But for me, he's actually the most well read person I've ever come across." }, { "end_time": "1:10", "start_time": "1:07", "text": "He's also got a spiritual side, which is as strong as his business side." }, { "end_time": "1:13", "start_time": "1:10", "text": "So, Abhijit, is that like introduction alright?" }, { "end_time": "1:15", "start_time": "1:14", "text": "I mean, lot of pressure but yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:18", "start_time": "1:16", "text": "How would you introduce yourself?" }, { "end_time": "1:21", "start_time": "1:18", "text": "I think for me, it's all about passion and perspective." }, { "end_time": "1:21", "start_time": "1:21", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:28", "start_time": "1:21", "text": "So for me, everything has to have some element of intrigue, mystery 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handle this intensity of exploration." }, { "end_time": "1:53", "start_time": "1:52", "text": "I feel you." }, { "end_time": "1:54", "start_time": "1:53", "text": "I feel you." }, { "end_time": "1:55", "start_time": "1:54", "text": "I feel it." }, { "end_time": "1:57", "start_time": "1:55", "text": "So again, follow YouTube channel." }, { "end_time": "1:59", "start_time": "1:57", "text": "I think it's a job requirement for me to go deep into things." }, { "end_time": "2:04", "start_time": "2:00", "text": "So when I heard your podcast with Vishal Gondal, sir, actually, like, that's what struck me." }, { "end_time": "2:06", "start_time": "2:04", "text": "I was like, okay, he's another freak like me." }, { "end_time": "2:13", "start_time": "2:07", "text": "So speaking about being freaky, the subject for today's podcast is spirituality versus science." }, { "end_time": "2:14", "start_time": "2:14", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "2:16", "start_time": "2:14", "text": "You've got a spiritual past as well." }, { "end_time": "2:17", "start_time": "2:16", "text": "You're someone who's practiced Reiki." }, { "end_time": "2:18", "start_time": "2:17", "text": "You've practiced meditations." }, { "end_time": "2:19", "start_time": "2:18", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "2:21", "start_time": "2:19", "text": "You're also one of the most logical people." }, { "end_time": "2:23", "start_time": "2:21", "text": "You're someone who studied quantum physics." }, { "end_time": "2:33", "start_time": "2:23", "text": "And one of the most interesting conversations I ever had in my life was this conversation with you where you compared aspects of spirituality to concepts from quantum physics." }, { "end_time": "2:33", "start_time": "2:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:36", "start_time": "2:34", "text": "Let's get to that later on the podcast." }, { "end_time": "2:36", "start_time": "2:36", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "2:39", "start_time": "2:36", "text": "First, I wanna ask you, man, you you had, like, a difficult past." }, { "end_time": "2:40", "start_time": "2:39", "text": "You've dealt with gout." }, { "end_time": "2:43", "start_time": "2:40", "text": "You've dealt with anxiety, mental health issues, things like that." }, { "end_time": "2:44", "start_time": "2:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:47", "start_time": "2:44", "text": "And you told me that spirituality exercise, things like that, had helped you come out of it." }, { "end_time": "2:48", "start_time": "2:47", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:50", "start_time": "2:48", "text": "So could you just, like, run us through what had happened super quick?" }, { "end_time": "2:50", "start_time": "2:50", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "2:51", "start_time": "2:50", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "2:57", "start_time": "2:51", "text": "So I think throughout my life as a, you know, school kid, I was always into science." }, { "end_time": "3:01", "start_time": "2:57", "text": "So for me, it was all so I have never been into God or religion per se." }, { "end_time": "3:03", "start_time": "3:01", "text": "It was always about science." }, { "end_time": "3:12", "start_time": "3:03", "text": "And there was a time, I think, in my career where I was facing gout like you mentioned, and my health was on a total down downward spiral." }, { "end_time": "3:19", "start_time": "3:12", "text": "I had taken a lot of steps, which is cut out alcohol, cut out smoking, and all of that, but somehow gout persisted." }, { "end_time": "3:23", "start_time": "3:20", "text": "So I was, like, very frustrated saying that, you know, I'm doing it all." }, { "end_time": "3:25", "start_time": "3:23", "text": "I'm kind of managing my diet, health, everything." }, { "end_time": "3:28", "start_time": "3:26", "text": "How is it that this continues to come back?" }, { "end_time": "3:37", "start_time": "3:28", "text": "And for those who don't know gout is uric acid levels going up and they go so high that they kind of crystallize in your joints in joints and they become super painful." }, { "end_time": "3:41", "start_time": "3:37", "text": "So you can't even like, you know, walk etcetera etcetera painkillers don't work." }, { "end_time": "3:42", "start_time": "3:41", "text": "It's really really bad." }, { "end_time": "3:51", "start_time": "3:42", "text": "So anyway, so that is to keep coming back and someone just said, hey, you have been through this, you have tried it all maybe, why do not you try reiki?" }, { "end_time": "3:57", "start_time": "3:51", "text": "I was like, I think I have reached this kind of bottom end, you know, in life that why not?" }, { "end_time": "3:59", "start_time": "3:57", "text": "So I think I got into it." }, { "end_time": "4:14", "start_time": "3:59", "text": "And so, you know, I really believe that rather than just react to the outside, shape or what that spirituality is all about, I think for me, I just connected with the essence of it and that worked for me." }, { "end_time": "4:15", "start_time": "4:14", "text": "Which was?" }, { "end_time": "4:16", "start_time": "4:15", "text": "What is the essence of it?" }, { "end_time": "4:27", "start_time": "4:16", "text": "So what I think I took out immediately was that a lot of my issues were not just medical, but there were things that are I'd suppressed Okay." }, { "end_time": "4:28", "start_time": "4:27", "text": "Throughout my life." }, { "end_time": "4:28", "start_time": "4:28", "text": "Like emotions." }, { "end_time": "4:29", "start_time": "4:29", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "4:32", "start_time": "4:30", "text": "So those things were still there." }, { "end_time": "4:34", "start_time": "4:32", "text": "I had never technically dealt with them Got it." }, { "end_time": "4:37", "start_time": "4:34", "text": "Thinking that time is the greatest healer." }, { "end_time": "4:37", "start_time": "4:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:37", "start_time": "4:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:41", "start_time": "4:37", "text": "So I think that that journey essentially got me to realize and accept Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:43", "start_time": "4:41", "text": "That, hey, hang on." }, { "end_time": "4:46", "start_time": "4:43", "text": "You know, we don't necessarily have a process of dealing with it." }, { "end_time": "4:52", "start_time": "4:46", "text": "And that that entire journey that I went through allowed me to understand how I could deal with it." }, { "end_time": "4:57", "start_time": "4:53", "text": "And that gave me a lot of empowerment and, hope." }, { "end_time": "5:04", "start_time": "4:58", "text": "And initially, I just for me it's like this, when I believe in exploring something, I go full on." }, { "end_time": "5:04", "start_time": "5:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:04", "start_time": "5:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:09", "start_time": "5:04", "text": "Then it's it's like full surrender, there is no doubt or suspicion or whatever." }, { "end_time": "5:13", "start_time": "5:09", "text": "So let me just take it on 100% and then see where it goes." }, { "end_time": "5:14", "start_time": "5:13", "text": "So that's what happened." }, { "end_time": "5:24", "start_time": "5:14", "text": "And the funny part of this is that, maybe for almost a year, I just went so spiritual that again again, it scared my wife and everyone around me." }, { "end_time": "5:26", "start_time": "5:24", "text": "I said, what the hell has happened to this guy?" }, { "end_time": "5:27", "start_time": "5:26", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "5:31", "start_time": "5:28", "text": "Using language like love and all that, which was maybe alien." }, { "end_time": "5:32", "start_time": "5:32", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "5:38", "start_time": "5:32", "text": "But as that happened, I suddenly started seeing similarities with science again." }, { "end_time": "5:41", "start_time": "5:39", "text": "And that's where I started realizing that hang on." }, { "end_time": "5:49", "start_time": "5:41", "text": "This wasn't like a totally different exploration or a journey, which is totally kind of, you know, unconnected with whatever I've been doing." }, { "end_time": "5:51", "start_time": "5:49", "text": "But it actually kind of became like a full circle for me." }, { "end_time": "5:52", "start_time": "5:52", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "5:52", "start_time": "5:52", "text": "I was like, oh, hang on." }, { "end_time": "5:53", "start_time": "5:52", "text": "Oh, okay." }, { "end_time": "5:57", "start_time": "5:53", "text": "So this is this and that is that, and these are not this versus that." }, { "end_time": "5:57", "start_time": "5:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:58", "start_time": "5:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:58", "start_time": "5:58", "text": "That's connected." }, { "end_time": "6:03", "start_time": "5:59", "text": "They connected beautifully on their own, like this the whole Steve Jobs thing." }, { "end_time": "6:03", "start_time": "6:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:04", "start_time": "6:03", "text": "The dots will connect." }, { "end_time": "6:05", "start_time": "6:04", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "6:06", "start_time": "6:05", "text": "That's what actually happened." }, { "end_time": "6:14", "start_time": "6:06", "text": "So do you kind of feel that western thought has kind of taken over all of the world where unless there's a western scientific proof about something, people just don't buy it anymore?" }, { "end_time": "6:33", "start_time": "6:14", "text": "Like, they've not taken into consideration the possibility that, wait, do you see that happening a lot more?" }, { "end_time": "6:44", "start_time": "6:33", "text": "Because from my learnings of spirituality and my learnings of the parallels between biology and spirituality, I feel that there's a lot for the scientific world to discover." }, { "end_time": "6:45", "start_time": "6:45", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "6:46", "start_time": "6:45", "text": "The western world to discover these." }, { "end_time": "6:47", "start_time": "6:46", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "6:52", "start_time": "6:48", "text": "So I think to me, ultimately, it's a journey of harmony and alignment." }, { "end_time": "6:53", "start_time": "6:53", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "6:57", "start_time": "6:53", "text": "And like I said, I don't think this is about science or spirituality." }, { "end_time": "6:59", "start_time": "6:57", "text": "It's ultimately how they support each other." }, { "end_time": "6:59", "start_time": "6:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:59", "start_time": "6:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:05", "start_time": "6:59", "text": "And and if science allows you to experience spirituality better, so be it Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:07", "start_time": "7:05", "text": "And vice versa." }, { "end_time": "7:07", "start_time": "7:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:07", "start_time": "7:07", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "7:10", "start_time": "7:07", "text": "So I think today, in fact, it's a it's a funny thing." }, { "end_time": "7:10", "start_time": "7:10", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "7:23", "start_time": "7:10", "text": "The western world is now discovering the eastern, and the eastern world is saying maybe we didn't focus too much on the science a bit, but, hey, you know, there is another way of doing it." }, { "end_time": "7:25", "start_time": "7:23", "text": "So I think to me, there's a convergence happening." }, { "end_time": "7:26", "start_time": "7:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:29", "start_time": "7:26", "text": "For example, let's just talk about reiki because that's something both you and me have done." }, { "end_time": "7:32", "start_time": "7:30", "text": "There's no scientific proof behind reiki." }, { "end_time": "7:32", "start_time": "7:32", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "7:32", "start_time": "7:32", "text": "Wait." }, { "end_time": "7:33", "start_time": "7:32", "text": "Hold on." }, { "end_time": "7:36", "start_time": "7:33", "text": "Let's give you guys a kind of context on what reiki is." }, { "end_time": "7:37", "start_time": "7:36", "text": "So basically, reiki is touch healing." }, { "end_time": "7:47", "start_time": "7:37", "text": "So say you're injured in a particular part, someone will conduct a reiki session over that particular part of your body and related parts that are also injured and kind of heal you through their touch." }, { "end_time": "7:51", "start_time": "7:47", "text": "Now there's not scientific proof behind this, but you've experienced Reiki." }, { "end_time": "7:52", "start_time": "7:51", "text": "I've experienced Reiki." }, { "end_time": "7:58", "start_time": "7:52", "text": "What you feel is actually real, and this is something only a Reiki practitioner will be able to vouch for." }, { "end_time": "7:58", "start_time": "7:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:12", "start_time": "7:59", "text": "Now the science of it according to me, and there's no proof behind this, but is that when you're when I'm touching your knee, say, like, you know, your knee is injured, I'm sending out some kind of electromagnetic waves from my own body into your knees, and that's kind of helping with the healing." }, { "end_time": "8:20", "start_time": "8:12", "text": "And the reason I've kind of drawn this conclusion is because when I had a tennis elbow, when I went to my physio, they gave me, like, these I think they put a machine." }, { "end_time": "8:23", "start_time": "8:20", "text": "I don't know what it's called, but they basically send electric waves on your injured part." }, { "end_time": "8:25", "start_time": "8:23", "text": "And that had actually helped my tennis elbow." }, { "end_time": "8:33", "start_time": "8:25", "text": "That had made it heal, but not com it hadn't healed completely and that's why I had gone for Reiki where someone recommended, you know, why don't you try this alternative healing method?" }, { "end_time": "8:37", "start_time": "8:33", "text": "And Reiki was the thing that actually kind of fixed my tennis elbow back then." }, { "end_time": "8:39", "start_time": "8:37", "text": "And that's when I started buying it." }, { "end_time": "8:39", "start_time": "8:39", "text": "I was like, okay, wait." }, { "end_time": "8:45", "start_time": "8:39", "text": "There's some science to this even if there's no scientific proof because I physically felt the healing inside me." }, { "end_time": "8:45", "start_time": "8:45", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "8:57", "start_time": "8:45", "text": "Similarly, in Reiki then, I mean, you're administering Reiki to injured body parts and all that, but you're also administering Reiki to what we call the chakras, which are, like, key points on your cerebrospinal axis." }, { "end_time": "9:06", "start_time": "8:57", "text": "Like, on the straight line that bisects your body in half, there are some key organs, key glands, and reiki is even administered to key points on that axis." }, { "end_time": "9:08", "start_time": "9:07", "text": "So that's basically the introduction to reiki." }, { "end_time": "9:14", "start_time": "9:08", "text": "I wanna ask, Abhijit, what was your whole experience of something like reiki, and what did it add to your life?" }, { "end_time": "9:15", "start_time": "9:14", "text": "What value did it add?" }, { "end_time": "9:26", "start_time": "9:15", "text": "Because you're a very successful businessman, entrepreneur, one of the most well read scientific human beings I've ever come across in my life, but you have dealt with something, say, nonscientific like Reiki." }, { "end_time": "9:26", "start_time": "9:26", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "9:30", "start_time": "9:26", "text": "So, actually, I must go one step back." }, { "end_time": "9:37", "start_time": "9:30", "text": "When I went in my health transformation journey, I actually got on to the journey of discovering Osho." }, { "end_time": "9:37", "start_time": "9:37", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "9:39", "start_time": "9:37", "text": "So Osho actually happened before Reiki." }, { "end_time": "9:39", "start_time": "9:39", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "9:49", "start_time": "9:39", "text": "So and, I think he helped me bridge the 2 worlds, the logical and, let's say, the total mystical and the spiritual bit." }, { "end_time": "9:51", "start_time": "9:49", "text": "So that was like a, let's say, step 1." }, { "end_time": "9:57", "start_time": "9:51", "text": "And when I got into Reiki, it kind of just synced very well in that." }, { "end_time": "10:09", "start_time": "9:57", "text": "So for me, reiki was number 1, this whole acceptance that there is energy and do you allow energy or do you kind of hold on to it, block it." }, { "end_time": "10:16", "start_time": "10:09", "text": "So the Reiki journey was really about I can let energy flow through me, and it can do good not just for me, for others as well." }, { "end_time": "10:19", "start_time": "10:16", "text": "So I think that was a great kind of, you know, realization." }, { "end_time": "10:26", "start_time": "10:19", "text": "Can you explain the same paragraph to a skeptic who's, like, listening to this and he's, like, what is this energy that Abhijit is speaking about?" }, { "end_time": "10:27", "start_time": "10:26", "text": "So okay." }, { "end_time": "10:29", "start_time": "10:27", "text": "Forget about the spirituality part of it." }, { "end_time": "10:31", "start_time": "10:29", "text": "You know, it's like this." }, { "end_time": "10:34", "start_time": "10:31", "text": "You go into a room and people say, I feel a good vibe." }, { "end_time": "10:36", "start_time": "10:35", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "10:38", "start_time": "10:36", "text": "So sometimes the vibe can be hostile." }, { "end_time": "10:42", "start_time": "10:39", "text": "Sometimes the vibe can be very friendly and welcoming and warm, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "10:43", "start_time": "10:43", "text": "What is it?" }, { "end_time": "10:44", "start_time": "10:43", "text": "What is all that?" }, { "end_time": "10:45", "start_time": "10:44", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "10:47", "start_time": "10:45", "text": "So essentially, we are antenna." }, { "end_time": "10:50", "start_time": "10:47", "text": "Let's if you just look at ourselves as antenna, we are sensing something." }, { "end_time": "10:51", "start_time": "10:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:00", "start_time": "10:51", "text": "Now we may not be able to kind of pinpoint this is, you know, this is a year and this, you know, gets in audio waves etcetera etcetera, but what is that?" }, { "end_time": "11:00", "start_time": "11:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:06", "start_time": "11:00", "text": "And just because we don't have a definition for it or a, you know, a paradigm to define it or A scientific Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:06", "start_time": "11:06", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "11:08", "start_time": "11:07", "text": "We dismiss it." }, { "end_time": "11:09", "start_time": "11:08", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "11:11", "start_time": "11:09", "text": "We dismiss it as soft stuff." }, { "end_time": "11:11", "start_time": "11:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:11", "start_time": "11:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:13", "start_time": "11:11", "text": "Or, you know, that's not that's not yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:14", "start_time": "11:13", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "11:15", "start_time": "11:14", "text": "That's not real." }, { "end_time": "11:15", "start_time": "11:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:19", "start_time": "11:15", "text": "But, you know, and it's not just about being in the same room." }, { "end_time": "11:22", "start_time": "11:19", "text": "For example, you think of someone and someone just calls you." }, { "end_time": "11:24", "start_time": "11:23", "text": "Now what's going on?" }, { "end_time": "11:24", "start_time": "11:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:31", "start_time": "11:24", "text": "You know, is it a coincidence as we call you know, we like to call it and all that, but there's something at play here." }, { "end_time": "11:36", "start_time": "11:31", "text": "And I don't know when we're supposed to jump into quantum physics, but I was about to jump into quantum physics." }, { "end_time": "11:41", "start_time": "11:36", "text": "But, you know, there is there is this principle called entanglement." }, { "end_time": "11:41", "start_time": "11:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:42", "start_time": "11:41", "text": "What does that basically mean?" }, { "end_time": "11:46", "start_time": "11:42", "text": "It means that when 2 electrons start, they interact with each other." }, { "end_time": "11:49", "start_time": "11:46", "text": "Well, electrons are like, the smaller parts of an atom." }, { "end_time": "11:53", "start_time": "11:49", "text": "Like, atom consists of, like, 3 parts, proton, neutrons, and electrons." }, { "end_time": "11:59", "start_time": "11:53", "text": "So, electrons are, like, the tiniest kind of brick that builds the house, which we call an atom." }, { "end_time": "12:06", "start_time": "11:59", "text": "So the electron the electrons are the ones which are, like, you know rotating around this atom which is really tiny." }, { "end_time": "12:24", "start_time": "12:08", "text": "And electrons when they let us say 2 electrons when they interact with each other they suddenly connect and even if they are separated and one electron is in Alaska and the other one is in, you know, Himalayas or whatever Like if you're able to separate them?" }, { "end_time": "12:24", "start_time": "12:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:36", "start_time": "12:24", "text": "So if, like, they've met, they've interacted and then they get separated for whatever reason, What happens to electron a happens simultaneously to electron b." }, { "end_time": "12:36", "start_time": "12:36", "text": "Like so many." }, { "end_time": "12:37", "start_time": "12:36", "text": "And that is what entanglement." }, { "end_time": "12:38", "start_time": "12:38", "text": "Oh." }, { "end_time": "12:40", "start_time": "12:38", "text": "And it is a quantum physics thing." }, { "end_time": "12:43", "start_time": "12:40", "text": "So, this has been proven by scientific experiments, etcetera." }, { "end_time": "12:52", "start_time": "12:43", "text": "So, when you think of that same thing of, hey, I thought of someone and that person connect, something is something is getting communicated." }, { "end_time": "12:53", "start_time": "12:52", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "12:53", "start_time": "12:53", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "12:58", "start_time": "12:53", "text": "So in the science world, they could call it a 0 point field." }, { "end_time": "13:12", "start_time": "12:58", "text": "Something exists and we are essentially we may may not see it, maybe invisible and they could be electrons, they could be particles, they could be waves or whatever, but something allows us to detect feel something instantaneously." }, { "end_time": "13:18", "start_time": "13:13", "text": "And that's that's that's what fascinated me about the quantum physics world." }, { "end_time": "13:18", "start_time": "13:18", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "13:21", "start_time": "13:18", "text": "So, we're gonna get back into quantum physics in detail." }, { "end_time": "13:25", "start_time": "13:21", "text": "I just wanna bring up this one point that I learned from Sadhguru, actually." }, { "end_time": "13:31", "start_time": "13:25", "text": "He has this theory that your entire body, when you break it down, it's just a lot of memory put together." }, { "end_time": "13:31", "start_time": "13:31", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "13:37", "start_time": "13:31", "text": "As in the nose on your face is actually your great great great great grandfather's nose which has been passed on to you." }, { "end_time": "13:38", "start_time": "13:37", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "13:39", "start_time": "13:38", "text": "So that's one aspect of memory." }, { "end_time": "13:48", "start_time": "13:39", "text": "Similarly, if say, you know, you've gone through some pain in life, that mental memory gets stored in your head." }, { "end_time": "13:49", "start_time": "13:48", "text": "So there's different levels of memory." }, { "end_time": "13:50", "start_time": "13:49", "text": "There's physical memory Yep." }, { "end_time": "13:53", "start_time": "13:50", "text": "Mental memory, and then spiritual memory, emotional memory, all that." }, { "end_time": "14:03", "start_time": "13:54", "text": "Also, when if I just, like, rub your knee, can I don't know if this is correct, but some of the electron on my skin may be sticking to, like, your knee?" }, { "end_time": "14:03", "start_time": "14:03", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "14:05", "start_time": "14:03", "text": "Therefore, now they're a part of your body." }, { "end_time": "14:05", "start_time": "14:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:06", "start_time": "14:05", "text": "So we have exchanged information." }, { "end_time": "14:07", "start_time": "14:06", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "14:19", "start_time": "14:07", "text": "Now that person who you were calling who called you back, like, you know, you thought of the person and they called you back, could have been someone who's close to you, who you had physical intimacy with, who you had mental intimacy with, emotional intimacy with." }, { "end_time": "14:21", "start_time": "14:19", "text": "So would you say that there's some parallels Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "14:22", "start_time": "14:21", "text": "Like, memories get exchanged." }, { "end_time": "14:22", "start_time": "14:22", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "14:28", "start_time": "14:22", "text": "That's why they also say that it's important for a parent to touch a child while growing up, that you're passing on a lot of your own memory." }, { "end_time": "14:32", "start_time": "14:28", "text": "So this is spiritual side of it, but you're also bringing in the physics of it, the quantum physics of it." }, { "end_time": "14:33", "start_time": "14:32", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "14:38", "start_time": "14:33", "text": "So in fact, you know, this whole thing we say that we are a system of energy." }, { "end_time": "14:38", "start_time": "14:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:55", "start_time": "14:38", "text": "So while I was deep diving, you know, when I got into that entire space, there's another body of knowledge, etcetera, which really looks at it not just as energy systems, but literally code, information code." }, { "end_time": "14:58", "start_time": "14:55", "text": "So there's a code field around you." }, { "end_time": "15:04", "start_time": "14:58", "text": "And when we're not well or we're not feeling good, things have gotten wrong in that code." }, { "end_time": "15:10", "start_time": "15:04", "text": "Just like, let's say, in a computer system, you have, you know, a program is a bug or something like that." }, { "end_time": "15:15", "start_time": "15:10", "text": "So essentially, it's about getting that code back in play, which is healing." }, { "end_time": "15:15", "start_time": "15:15", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "15:18", "start_time": "15:15", "text": "So it's really about understanding it from that perspective." }, { "end_time": "15:22", "start_time": "15:18", "text": "So could reiki be some form of, like, electronic impulse that heals that cold?" }, { "end_time": "15:23", "start_time": "15:22", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "15:23", "start_time": "15:23", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "15:32", "start_time": "15:23", "text": "Now coming back to quantum physics, you had told me one very beautiful story about, 2001 when the World Trade Center attacks had happened." }, { "end_time": "15:34", "start_time": "15:32", "text": "Could you just, like, share it with the viewers?" }, { "end_time": "15:37", "start_time": "15:34", "text": "Because this kind of blew me away and I'm sure it blew them away as well." }, { "end_time": "15:46", "start_time": "15:37", "text": "So, I got into this rabbit hole of quantum physics, from this documentary called what the bleep do we know." }, { "end_time": "15:46", "start_time": "15:46", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "16:07", "start_time": "15:46", "text": "So what the bleep do we know is really about hey, we look at the world from one perspective and see the quantum physics world is a very intriguing fascinating world which frustrated the likes of Albert Einstein because whatever he could measure, prove in the normal atomic world, he said everything goes topsy-turvy in the subatomic world." }, { "end_time": "16:10", "start_time": "16:07", "text": "Like when you go deeper into an atom when you magnify it." }, { "end_time": "16:18", "start_time": "16:11", "text": "So it is like everything before you get into the atom part is structured, everything is sane, orderly." }, { "end_time": "16:22", "start_time": "16:19", "text": "The moment you go into the subatomic world Got it." }, { "end_time": "16:23", "start_time": "16:22", "text": "It's all chaos." }, { "end_time": "16:24", "start_time": "16:23", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "16:24", "start_time": "16:24", "text": "Hold on." }, { "end_time": "16:29", "start_time": "16:24", "text": "Can you just, like, give the viewers and the listeners an intro on what does quantum physics mean?" }, { "end_time": "16:30", "start_time": "16:29", "text": "Like, what is the meaning of quantum physics?" }, { "end_time": "16:33", "start_time": "16:30", "text": "Is it physics that deals with this smaller world?" }, { "end_time": "16:34", "start_time": "16:33", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "16:37", "start_time": "16:34", "text": "It is the it is the study of the subatomic world." }, { "end_time": "16:37", "start_time": "16:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:42", "start_time": "16:37", "text": "So, compounds say for example, this you can see is a knee." }, { "end_time": "16:42", "start_time": "16:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:44", "start_time": "16:42", "text": "So this is from the normal world." }, { "end_time": "16:45", "start_time": "16:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:53", "start_time": "16:45", "text": "But actually when you go into the the atomic part of it which is very difficult to see right, you may not even see anything close to a knee." }, { "end_time": "17:00", "start_time": "16:53", "text": "It is just energy interacting with each other that is what an atom really is its energy that is it." }, { "end_time": "17:10", "start_time": "17:00", "text": "So the one beautiful part of quantum physics is that electrons can exist in 2 states, okay." }, { "end_time": "17:16", "start_time": "17:10", "text": "1 as a particle and that particle is what let us say allows me to exist and to be seen." }, { "end_time": "17:17", "start_time": "17:16", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:21", "start_time": "17:18", "text": "Or it can also exist in the form of a wave." }, { "end_time": "17:22", "start_time": "17:21", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:22", "start_time": "17:22", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "17:23", "start_time": "17:22", "text": "What does that mean?" }, { "end_time": "17:24", "start_time": "17:23", "text": "The dual nature of Possibility." }, { "end_time": "17:25", "start_time": "17:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:32", "start_time": "17:25", "text": "And it says that only when there is attention on this wave does it transform into a particle." }, { "end_time": "17:40", "start_time": "17:32", "text": "So again when you look at from a spiritual perspective, you have this thing that attention, intention on something creates reality." }, { "end_time": "17:41", "start_time": "17:40", "text": "Manifestation." }, { "end_time": "17:42", "start_time": "17:41", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "17:43", "start_time": "17:42", "text": "It's really about that." }, { "end_time": "17:52", "start_time": "17:43", "text": "So otherwise, it's all possibility, but only when there's consciousness, which kind of gets diverted towards that does it become, like you said, manifested reality." }, { "end_time": "17:55", "start_time": "17:52", "text": "So, so that that's that's the quantum physics world." }, { "end_time": "18:02", "start_time": "17:55", "text": "So I started, because of that documentary and if anyone can watch that, that's a beautiful primer." }, { "end_time": "18:03", "start_time": "18:02", "text": "What's it called again?" }, { "end_time": "18:05", "start_time": "18:03", "text": "What the bleep do we know?" }, { "end_time": "18:05", "start_time": "18:05", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "18:06", "start_time": "18:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:08", "start_time": "18:06", "text": "With the full asterisks etcetera of the bleep." }, { "end_time": "18:09", "start_time": "18:08", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:13", "start_time": "18:09", "text": "And, so it actually kind of it's not just about science or whatever." }, { "end_time": "18:18", "start_time": "18:13", "text": "It's really about life, and it's trying to kind of decode life from this extremely subatomic perspective." }, { "end_time": "18:19", "start_time": "18:19", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "18:28", "start_time": "18:19", "text": "So that got me into this journey because there were various people who had gotten interviewed in that, documentary and I started kind of studying each one of them." }, { "end_time": "18:34", "start_time": "18:28", "text": "And one of those people, Lynn McTaggart, I think she was called, she's written a couple of books." }, { "end_time": "18:47", "start_time": "18:34", "text": "And one of the books, so one book is called the field which really explains how that entanglement or how we're able to sense people, you know, subconsciously etcetera happens." }, { "end_time": "19:03", "start_time": "18:48", "text": "And the second book was the intention experiment and intention experiment is that there are institutes very scientific institutes like Princeton, for example, which has been measuring quantum physics effects for the last let's say 30 plus years." }, { "end_time": "19:04", "start_time": "19:03", "text": "All over the world?" }, { "end_time": "19:14", "start_time": "19:04", "text": "All over the world and they have installed these devices which essentially measure whether the energy is a particle or a wave." }, { "end_time": "19:14", "start_time": "19:14", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "19:19", "start_time": "19:14", "text": "So when nothing is going on, there is no stimuli, it's a wave." }, { "end_time": "19:28", "start_time": "19:19", "text": "When there's attention, when people, let's say, are gravitating towards something that transforms into a particle and those devices detect that." }, { "end_time": "19:28", "start_time": "19:28", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "19:31", "start_time": "19:28", "text": "So let me let me, like, break this down for the layman." }, { "end_time": "19:34", "start_time": "19:31", "text": "Basically, there are these tiny particles Yep." }, { "end_time": "19:35", "start_time": "19:34", "text": "Which have a dual nature." }, { "end_time": "19:39", "start_time": "19:35", "text": "They can be both, say, light waves or they can be a particle." }, { "end_time": "19:40", "start_time": "19:39", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "19:45", "start_time": "19:40", "text": "So, normally, they're light, but when you focus on them, they become a real particle when you actually look at them." }, { "end_time": "19:48", "start_time": "19:45", "text": "Say for example, would a star be a version of this?" }, { "end_time": "19:50", "start_time": "19:49", "text": "Like, you know, you're it's it's actually light." }, { "end_time": "19:51", "start_time": "19:50", "text": "It's a light from somebody." }, { "end_time": "19:53", "start_time": "19:51", "text": "When you're looking at it, it looks like a solid object." }, { "end_time": "19:54", "start_time": "19:53", "text": "Is it like a version of that?" }, { "end_time": "19:59", "start_time": "19:54", "text": "Actually, everything including a star or planet is built up of these atoms." }, { "end_time": "20:00", "start_time": "19:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:04", "start_time": "20:00", "text": "So the the DNA of life are these atoms which behave this way." }, { "end_time": "20:08", "start_time": "20:04", "text": "So everything around you is also has a dual nature?" }, { "end_time": "20:10", "start_time": "20:08", "text": "I look at you right now and there's a physical abhiji?" }, { "end_time": "20:10", "start_time": "20:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:12", "start_time": "20:10", "text": "But then actually you are light." }, { "end_time": "20:12", "start_time": "20:12", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "20:13", "start_time": "20:12", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "20:13", "start_time": "20:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:14", "start_time": "20:13", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "20:20", "start_time": "20:14", "text": "So it is like this, you know, if you look at from a philosophical point of view without context, content has no value." }, { "end_time": "20:30", "start_time": "20:20", "text": "Similarly, in a subatomic perspective without attention or energy or involvement and participation, there is no particle." }, { "end_time": "20:32", "start_time": "20:31", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "20:39", "start_time": "20:32", "text": "And then you would say that hang on, if I am not thinking of a chair, how can the rest of the world see it as a chair is because it is also collective energy." }, { "end_time": "20:45", "start_time": "20:39", "text": "So, you know, you've heard of psychology like this whole thing of the collective consciousness from Carl Jung Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:46", "start_time": "20:45", "text": "And all of that." }, { "end_time": "20:54", "start_time": "20:46", "text": "So there is also an effect of not just individual attention, but a group actually creating attention in that reality manifesting." }, { "end_time": "21:06", "start_time": "20:54", "text": "So that the 911 example that you brought up from that book, the intention experiment that I was just referring to earlier, talked about 5 hours before that event happened." }, { "end_time": "21:15", "start_time": "21:07", "text": "The devices that I mentioned across the world picked up a massive surge of change in energy Wow." }, { "end_time": "21:24", "start_time": "21:15", "text": "5 hours before the event, which meant that something was alerting our subconscious systems before the event." }, { "end_time": "21:29", "start_time": "21:24", "text": "Just think about it, you know, there are times when you feel oh my god something is going to happen and it actually happens." }, { "end_time": "21:30", "start_time": "21:30", "text": "What is that?" }, { "end_time": "21:40", "start_time": "21:30", "text": "Is it just about oh my god this guy is or he is blessed with some major mystical powers or maybe he is just tuned in." }, { "end_time": "21:41", "start_time": "21:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:41", "start_time": "21:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:46", "start_time": "21:41", "text": "You know, so it's a question of how tuned in are you to the energy field or not?" }, { "end_time": "21:49", "start_time": "21:46", "text": "Or And this is what people call intuition, your 6th sense." }, { "end_time": "21:49", "start_time": "21:49", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "21:50", "start_time": "21:49", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "21:57", "start_time": "21:50", "text": "So I think from a coach perspective, I think it's also important to realize that everyone has it." }, { "end_time": "21:59", "start_time": "21:57", "text": "It's just a question of tuning in." }, { "end_time": "22:07", "start_time": "22:00", "text": "You know, you might think that oh, he can do it, I can't, he has fantastic intuition, I don't, which honestly is bullshit." }, { "end_time": "22:11", "start_time": "22:08", "text": "Because it's it's really about helping, so I was tuned out." }, { "end_time": "22:17", "start_time": "22:11", "text": "It's that the Reiki journey actually helped me tune in And that's what I, you know, so realized." }, { "end_time": "22:24", "start_time": "22:17", "text": "So, you know, I usually ask people what kind of role their spirituality has played in their careers, and obviously, I'm gonna ask you the same." }, { "end_time": "22:26", "start_time": "22:25", "text": "But you're also a career coach." }, { "end_time": "22:32", "start_time": "22:26", "text": "Like, you actually tell people how to make their career more efficient, how they can make more money, how they can become bigger in their careers." }, { "end_time": "22:38", "start_time": "22:32", "text": "So what is your whole take on the process of spirituality or becoming spiritual in your career journey?" }, { "end_time": "22:40", "start_time": "22:38", "text": "What kind of tools can it give you?" }, { "end_time": "22:43", "start_time": "22:40", "text": "What are, like, you know, the weapons that it can put in your hand?" }, { "end_time": "22:45", "start_time": "22:43", "text": "So the first one is awareness." }, { "end_time": "22:59", "start_time": "22:46", "text": "So, you know, we are on this hamster wheel, this treadmill of life that pace keeps, you know, just going on and on and on and on and let me get scared to get off it." }, { "end_time": "23:08", "start_time": "22:59", "text": "Saying that, oh my god, if I get off it, I will lose out versus the journey of spirituality actually starts putting in that pause between stimulus and response." }, { "end_time": "23:09", "start_time": "23:09", "text": "Awareness." }, { "end_time": "23:13", "start_time": "23:10", "text": "And I think awareness is a tool which is not taught." }, { "end_time": "23:15", "start_time": "23:14", "text": "It is self awareness." }, { "end_time": "23:15", "start_time": "23:15", "text": "Yes?" }, { "end_time": "23:16", "start_time": "23:15", "text": "Being aware of who you are." }, { "end_time": "23:27", "start_time": "23:16", "text": "To start with self and self awareness is the toughest actually, because it's it's kind of okay and normal to see someone else and, you know, make a comment on it." }, { "end_time": "23:30", "start_time": "23:27", "text": "But to really see yourself needs you to pull back." }, { "end_time": "23:31", "start_time": "23:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:34", "start_time": "23:31", "text": "Because you also have a assumption about yourself." }, { "end_time": "23:34", "start_time": "23:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:34", "start_time": "23:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:37", "start_time": "23:34", "text": "And that assumption could come from what others say about you." }, { "end_time": "23:38", "start_time": "23:37", "text": "Like a version of yourself in your head." }, { "end_time": "23:39", "start_time": "23:38", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "23:40", "start_time": "23:39", "text": "You think you are one person but you may not be that." }, { "end_time": "23:41", "start_time": "23:40", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "23:43", "start_time": "23:41", "text": "Or there could be different dimensions which you have not realized." }, { "end_time": "23:48", "start_time": "23:44", "text": "There could be lot of programming that has led you to believe who you are etcetera etcetera." }, { "end_time": "23:54", "start_time": "23:48", "text": "But have you really pulled back and say okay hang on, hang on, What is it really about me?" }, { "end_time": "24:01", "start_time": "23:54", "text": "Who who am I, you know, and what makes me tick click, you know, with with the word that you motivated about it." }, { "end_time": "24:01", "start_time": "24:01", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "24:09", "start_time": "24:01", "text": "So once I know that and when you ask this question about how does that help in the career progression is really about this is what works for me." }, { "end_time": "24:12", "start_time": "24:09", "text": "This is what happens to me when I get challenged." }, { "end_time": "24:12", "start_time": "24:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:17", "start_time": "24:12", "text": "And this is what if I do this can help me overcome it." }, { "end_time": "24:17", "start_time": "24:17", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "24:21", "start_time": "24:17", "text": "So I think that to me is a very important part of it because what is spirituality?" }, { "end_time": "24:24", "start_time": "24:22", "text": "To me, it's like it's exercising." }, { "end_time": "24:31", "start_time": "24:24", "text": "You know, you go to a gym, you're essentially taking you're stressing a system to get stronger and stronger." }, { "end_time": "24:36", "start_time": "24:31", "text": "You're kind of putting inputs of stress so that your body and your system responds better." }, { "end_time": "24:36", "start_time": "24:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:39", "start_time": "24:36", "text": "So to me, spirituality has to play that role." }, { "end_time": "24:40", "start_time": "24:39", "text": "It's your life gym Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:42", "start_time": "24:40", "text": "Which kind of helps you, you know." }, { "end_time": "24:43", "start_time": "24:42", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "24:43", "start_time": "24:43", "text": "Hang on." }, { "end_time": "24:46", "start_time": "24:44", "text": "Now how do I get even more resilient?" }, { "end_time": "24:46", "start_time": "24:46", "text": "More resilient." }, { "end_time": "24:47", "start_time": "24:46", "text": "More resilient." }, { "end_time": "24:48", "start_time": "24:47", "text": "More intuitive." }, { "end_time": "24:52", "start_time": "24:48", "text": "More listening as opposed to just reacting." }, { "end_time": "24:53", "start_time": "24:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:55", "start_time": "24:53", "text": "Talking, giving out thoughts, things like that." }, { "end_time": "24:55", "start_time": "24:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:58", "start_time": "24:56", "text": "Now I read a lot about spirituality." }, { "end_time": "25:04", "start_time": "24:58", "text": "I only read 2 things which is business and spirituality, and those are the only 2 kind of escapism for me in life." }, { "end_time": "25:09", "start_time": "25:04", "text": "And, with spirituality, I think the one common theme I've read across all the books by, like, the top authors." }, { "end_time": "25:09", "start_time": "25:09", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "25:15", "start_time": "25:09", "text": "So I'm talking like Yoganand Paramans, Krishnan, Osho, people like that who I really look up to." }, { "end_time": "25:25", "start_time": "25:16", "text": "The common theme is that it is like exercise, spirituality, the spiritual game, and it's a parallel game to your career, to your life, and the way to progress is regular meditation." }, { "end_time": "25:29", "start_time": "25:26", "text": "They talk about that because, again, I speak about this a lot on the channel as well." }, { "end_time": "25:33", "start_time": "25:29", "text": "Like, it biologically helps your body, cleans up your lungs, helps your brain develop." }, { "end_time": "25:40", "start_time": "25:33", "text": "In in fact, like, it's it's kind of like how when you do bicep curls and your bicep is, like, becoming bigger, your brain becomes much more intense." }, { "end_time": "25:44", "start_time": "25:40", "text": "And now I've been meditating for, like, 4, 5 years, and I've seen the change in myself." }, { "end_time": "25:46", "start_time": "25:44", "text": "My family's seen the change in me." }, { "end_time": "25:47", "start_time": "25:46", "text": "You know, my loved ones have seen the change." }, { "end_time": "25:56", "start_time": "25:47", "text": "My coworkers know things are much more calm, things are much more efficient, things are firing much faster, and I know it's a result of my meditation." }, { "end_time": "26:01", "start_time": "25:57", "text": "So what is your whole take on this whole meditation wave that's taking over the world?" }, { "end_time": "26:05", "start_time": "26:01", "text": "Because people are actually the way I look at it, people are using meditation as one of those tools, you know." }, { "end_time": "26:07", "start_time": "26:05", "text": "Vishal is our common friend." }, { "end_time": "26:12", "start_time": "26:07", "text": "He actually talks about how every single billionaire in the world has, like, this meditation habit now." }, { "end_time": "26:13", "start_time": "26:12", "text": "So there must be some science to it." }, { "end_time": "26:15", "start_time": "26:14", "text": "So there's something that's happening there." }, { "end_time": "26:20", "start_time": "26:15", "text": "But from a quantum perspective, what do you think is happening and what is your general take on, like, meditation?" }, { "end_time": "26:29", "start_time": "26:20", "text": "So what you just said, the CEOs and all of that, they're all walking, talking meditation now, which is a damn good thing." }, { "end_time": "26:35", "start_time": "26:29", "text": "So see people need this, you know, something to follow." }, { "end_time": "26:41", "start_time": "26:35", "text": "And when you have the right role models doing it, you get a lot of behaviour which follows." }, { "end_time": "26:44", "start_time": "26:42", "text": "And what happens is it becomes a virtuous cycle." }, { "end_time": "26:50", "start_time": "26:44", "text": "So when you have people doing this, it isn't much better than something which is like questionable and following that." }, { "end_time": "27:09", "start_time": "26:51", "text": "So you talked about the before we get into the quantum physics bit, which I have not even, attempted to explain, but I think meditation today, I think in the last 15 odd years has had a lot of neuroscience validation of how it affects brain to body etcetera etcetera." }, { "end_time": "27:25", "start_time": "27:09", "text": "So I think that thanks to I think a lot of work that the Dalai Lamas Institute and, you know, all the neuroscientists who have kind of partnered with them to see the the little the physical, impact, the changes in the brain that happens for people who I know regularly meditate." }, { "end_time": "27:37", "start_time": "27:25", "text": "So I think that has given a lot of confidence to the normally, let's say, skeptic only western way of thinking to saying that hang on this is now good enough to integrate in our way of life." }, { "end_time": "27:38", "start_time": "27:37", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "27:42", "start_time": "27:38", "text": "So for example, Silicon Valley, many years back, they got on to the meditation bandwagon." }, { "end_time": "27:46", "start_time": "27:42", "text": "I'm I'm sure you've heard of Google who created this whole search inside yourself Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:47", "start_time": "27:46", "text": "Program and all that many years ago." }, { "end_time": "27:48", "start_time": "27:47", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "27:50", "start_time": "27:48", "text": "They look at it as a productivity hack." }, { "end_time": "27:54", "start_time": "27:50", "text": "My point is that people might say, oh, but doesn't it take away from its core?" }, { "end_time": "27:59", "start_time": "27:54", "text": "I would say that if it encourages you to do something better than what you did before, so be it." }, { "end_time": "28:00", "start_time": "27:59", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "28:09", "start_time": "28:00", "text": "So I think to me, no matter what which platform you're coming from, if you're affecting affecting positive change, fantastic." }, { "end_time": "28:18", "start_time": "28:10", "text": "So, you know, it does not matter why and what and, you know, so I think to me if good things get kind of, you know, practiced and followed I think that is important." }, { "end_time": "28:23", "start_time": "28:18", "text": "I think today it is reaching this mass following which is fantastic as far as I am concerned." }, { "end_time": "28:24", "start_time": "28:23", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "28:24", "start_time": "28:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:29", "start_time": "28:24", "text": "Coming back to the career coach side of things, what a minute you've got, okay, also the quantum physics." }, { "end_time": "28:36", "start_time": "28:29", "text": "Quantum physics of meditation, I think again it probably gets back into that whole thing of attention." }, { "end_time": "28:37", "start_time": "28:36", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "28:37", "start_time": "28:37", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "28:38", "start_time": "28:37", "text": "To yourself." }, { "end_time": "28:50", "start_time": "28:38", "text": "To yourself to your surroundings and therefore, I am saying helping reality manifest much better because if you remember waves possibility and particle being that physicality." }, { "end_time": "28:54", "start_time": "28:51", "text": "So, I think meditation actually allows you to manifest." }, { "end_time": "28:54", "start_time": "28:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:55", "start_time": "28:54", "text": "Manifest." }, { "end_time": "28:57", "start_time": "28:55", "text": "I'm I'm sure you've heard of these experiments." }, { "end_time": "29:07", "start_time": "28:57", "text": "And in fact, this is also covered in the what the bleep and, things like that where they've had meditators literally change the pH level of water." }, { "end_time": "29:08", "start_time": "29:07", "text": "Damn." }, { "end_time": "29:08", "start_time": "29:08", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "29:10", "start_time": "29:08", "text": "So they have measured this scientifically." }, { "end_time": "29:13", "start_time": "29:10", "text": "This is not a kind of a, experiment." }, { "end_time": "29:19", "start_time": "29:13", "text": "And and I don't know if you're aware, but even one level of change in pH is massive." }, { "end_time": "29:21", "start_time": "29:19", "text": "If you if you do that in the body, you die." }, { "end_time": "29:21", "start_time": "29:21", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "29:31", "start_time": "29:21", "text": "So they've actually like 4 meditators together and focusing on, you know, whatever, you know, water container and they actually changed the pH level." }, { "end_time": "29:32", "start_time": "29:31", "text": "So that's the power." }, { "end_time": "29:39", "start_time": "29:32", "text": "So obviously, you're tapping into something very fundamental, which is where this quantum physics bit comes in if you're not interested." }, { "end_time": "29:41", "start_time": "29:39", "text": "Also ahead of modern science." }, { "end_time": "29:42", "start_time": "29:41", "text": "It's way ahead of modern science as of now." }, { "end_time": "29:43", "start_time": "29:42", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "29:44", "start_time": "29:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:48", "start_time": "29:44", "text": "Like, I mean, people, like, if you say this to, like, the average person, if you're, what are you saying, man?" }, { "end_time": "29:51", "start_time": "29:49", "text": "But there is quantum physics behind it, man." }, { "end_time": "29:52", "start_time": "29:51", "text": "So Sure." }, { "end_time": "29:58", "start_time": "29:52", "text": "So I think, you know, there's there's a quote from there's a quantum physicist called Fred Allen Wolf." }, { "end_time": "29:59", "start_time": "29:58", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "30:01", "start_time": "29:59", "text": "He's one of the people, featured in that documentary." }, { "end_time": "30:03", "start_time": "30:01", "text": "I was mentioning what the bleep do we know." }, { "end_time": "30:12", "start_time": "30:03", "text": "So he says like the beauty of life is not in the know but in the mystery, the k n k n o w." }, { "end_time": "30:16", "start_time": "30:12", "text": "And I think that's a beautiful I use this quote in all my workshops that I do." }, { "end_time": "30:25", "start_time": "30:17", "text": "You know when you are in the know your mind is closed, you're not receiving, the antenna is not tuning in." }, { "end_time": "30:31", "start_time": "30:25", "text": "But when I'm in the mystery you're in curiosity stage and that to me is very important because the flow of energy changes." }, { "end_time": "30:45", "start_time": "30:32", "text": "And I think to me meditation allows you to step back and allow that flow and that curiosity and, you know, all those processes and when it's a practice like you were mentioning." }, { "end_time": "30:51", "start_time": "30:45", "text": "Anything that's a practice is only going to kind of, you know, do good for you." }, { "end_time": "30:55", "start_time": "30:51", "text": "If it's a one off thing, oh, now I want to go make it and become a superstar tomorrow." }, { "end_time": "30:55", "start_time": "30:55", "text": "That's not the point." }, { "end_time": "30:57", "start_time": "30:56", "text": "Exercising the same thing." }, { "end_time": "31:01", "start_time": "30:57", "text": "It's a ritual of exercise, it's more important than One session." }, { "end_time": "31:02", "start_time": "31:01", "text": "Absolutely, you know." }, { "end_time": "31:22", "start_time": "31:03", "text": "My final question to you for this podcast is that if you can tune back into your career coach mode, but also kind of tie in that spirituality element, what would you tell an 18 year old today that he should know in order to expand his mind, expand his career to the best of his capabilities from, like, a spiritual perspective as well?" }, { "end_time": "31:26", "start_time": "31:23", "text": "What spiritual advice would you give an 18 year old for his career or her career?" }, { "end_time": "31:36", "start_time": "31:30", "text": "So, most people have, you know, this one role model." }, { "end_time": "31:41", "start_time": "31:36", "text": "And I think there's a lot of passion there and all of that and people following it and all." }, { "end_time": "31:54", "start_time": "31:41", "text": "But I think if I were to tell anyone starting off saying that hang on, always triangulate your source of insight, which means that maybe your role model is saying this, but is there another perspective behind it?" }, { "end_time": "31:54", "start_time": "31:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:03", "start_time": "31:54", "text": "And I think to me, most people just get into it with blinders, follow follow follow follow follow, then learn in probably the most messy way." }, { "end_time": "32:07", "start_time": "32:03", "text": "And some some learn and they grow, but a lot don't." }, { "end_time": "32:14", "start_time": "32:08", "text": "And then they kind of, you know, blame their either the role models or more the versus blame themselves." }, { "end_time": "32:22", "start_time": "32:14", "text": "So I think to me, this whole thing of cultivating this habit of pulling back and saying hang on, is there another perspective to it?" }, { "end_time": "32:22", "start_time": "32:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:24", "start_time": "32:22", "text": "Maybe there's opposing perspective." }, { "end_time": "32:25", "start_time": "32:24", "text": "Why is it opposing?" }, { "end_time": "32:29", "start_time": "32:26", "text": "Does that mean that this is wrong or maybe it actually adds to that?" }, { "end_time": "32:36", "start_time": "32:29", "text": "I think to me that's a very important part of anyone entering the the game of life, you know." }, { "end_time": "32:39", "start_time": "32:36", "text": "So that's what I would kind of honestly, you know, get." }, { "end_time": "32:43", "start_time": "32:39", "text": "So I hope it kind of ticked the boxes of spirituality As well as and quantum physics hopefully." }, { "end_time": "32:45", "start_time": "32:44", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "32:47", "start_time": "32:46", "text": "Did you enjoy the podcast?" }, { "end_time": "32:48", "start_time": "32:47", "text": "Oh, nice." }, { "end_time": "32:48", "start_time": "32:48", "text": "Good fun, man." }, { "end_time": "32:49", "start_time": "32:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:49", "start_time": "32:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:52", "start_time": "32:49", "text": "So Abhijit is gonna be on a lot of our episodes going forward." }, { "end_time": "32:54", "start_time": "32:52", "text": "I'm gonna link all his handles down below." }, { "end_time": "32:55", "start_time": "32:54", "text": "Make sure you follow him." }, { "end_time": "32:57", "start_time": "32:55", "text": "Anything else you want linked, like, specifically?" }, { "end_time": "32:57", "start_time": "32:57", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "32:57", "start_time": "32:57", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "33:00", "start_time": "32:57", "text": "I'm like I'm honestly active purely on Instagram." }, { "end_time": "33:01", "start_time": "33:01", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "33:02", "start_time": "33:01", "text": "So that's what I do." }, { "end_time": "33:02", "start_time": "33:02", "text": "So Cool." }, { "end_time": "33:03", "start_time": "33:02", "text": "Cool." }, { "end_time": "33:05", "start_time": "33:03", "text": "So, anyway, guys, if you enjoyed it, give it a thumbs up." }, { "end_time": "33:06", "start_time": "33:05", "text": "Make sure you share it with your friends." }, { "end_time": "33:08", "start_time": "33:06", "text": "Share it with other spiritual people." }, { "end_time": "33:10", "start_time": "33:08", "text": "And until next time, guys, from Abhijit Hey, man." }, { "end_time": "33:11", "start_time": "33:10", "text": "Thank you for being here." }, { "end_time": "33:12", "start_time": "33:11", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "33:14", "start_time": "33:12", "text": "And myself, we'll see you later." } ] }

[ { "content": "**Task Description:** \nYou are provided with a YouTube video transcript in JSON format, where each entry is synchronized with its respective timestamp. This transcript contains the spoken text along with its start and end times. Your objective is to generate high-quality, chapter-wise segments that accurately represent key points or transitions within the video.\n\n**Transcript JSON Format:** \nThe transcript is formatted as a list of dictionaries, where each dictionary represents a spoken sentence, including its text and corresponding start and end times.\n\n**Example Transcript:** \n```json\n[\n {\n \"text\": \"The narrative in the public eye is that you left working with the Modi government because your opinions weren't heard.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:07\"\n },\n {\n \"text\": \"I want to know your side of the story.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:08\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:10\"\n },\n ...\n]\n```\n\n**Your Task:** \nUsing the given transcript, generate a JSON output that breaks down the video into meaningful chapters. Each chapter should encapsulate a key segment of the video and be accompanied by a concise, informative title that reflects the essence of that segment.\n\n**Chapter JSON Format:** \nThe output should follow this structure:\n```json\n{\n \"chapters\": [\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"title\": \"Introduction and Opening Remarks\"\n },\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:07\",\n \"title\": \"Discussing the Exit from Modi Government\"\n },\n ...\n ]\n}\n```\n\n**Requirements:** \n1. **Identify Key Segments:** Extract significant portions of the transcript that represent shifts in topic, important discussions, or transitions in conversation.\n2. **Craft Informative Titles:** Each chapter title should be clear, engaging, and directly related to the content covered in that segment.\n3. **Preserve Time Stamps:** Ensure that each chapter's `start_time` corresponds to the first instance of a key topic or segment in the transcript.\n4. **Conciseness is Key:** While titles should be descriptive, avoid making them overly lengthy. Aim for a balance between informativeness and brevity.", "role": "system" }, { "content": "{'transcripts': array([{'end_time': '0:01', 'start_time': '0:00', 'text': \"What's good, you guys?\"},\n {'end_time': '0:06', 'start_time': '0:01', 'text': \"The following podcast contains one of the smartest spiritual conversations that you'll ever come across.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:14', 'start_time': '0:06', 'text': \"I'm gonna take concepts from spirituality and compare it to proven scientific concepts, most specifically, proven quantum physics concepts.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:18', 'start_time': '0:15', 'text': \"If you're new to both spirituality or quantum physics, don't worry about it.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:23', 'start_time': '0:18', 'text': \"We're gonna explain everything in a very basic format, so you'll get it easily.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:26', 'start_time': '0:23', 'text': \"The guest joining me in today's podcast is mister Abhijit Pradhan.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:28', 'start_time': '0:26', 'text': \"He's one of the most learned men in India.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:30', 'start_time': '0:28', 'text': \"He's one of the most well read men.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:34', 'start_time': '0:30', 'text': \"He's one of India's top career coaches as well as one of India's top corporate coaches.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:41', 'start_time': '0:34', 'text': \"He's got a flourishing entrepreneurial career, but on the side, he also likes studying about all these crazy subjects.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:43', 'start_time': '0:41', 'text': \"He's gonna be on the podcast a lot in the future.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:45', 'start_time': '0:44', 'text': 'This is our first episode with Abhijit.'},\n {'end_time': '0:46', 'start_time': '0:46', 'text': 'Enjoy yourselves.'},\n {'end_time': '0:51', 'start_time': '0:49', 'text': 'The goal with monkey chat is called ICO.'},\n {'end_time': '0:53', 'start_time': '0:51', 'text': \"That's intelligent conversations only.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:58', 'start_time': '0:53', 'text': \"I've got one of my most intelligent friends in the house today, mister Abhijit Pradhan.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:03', 'start_time': '0:58', 'text': \"He's one of India's biggest personal coaches as well as one of India's biggest corporate coaches.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:06', 'start_time': '1:03', 'text': \"But for me, he's actually the most well read person I've ever come across.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:10', 'start_time': '1:07', 'text': \"He's also got a spiritual side, which is as strong as his business side.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:13', 'start_time': '1:10', 'text': 'So, Abhijit, is that like introduction alright?'},\n {'end_time': '1:15', 'start_time': '1:14', 'text': 'I mean, lot of pressure but yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '1:18', 'start_time': '1:16', 'text': 'How would you introduce yourself?'},\n {'end_time': '1:21', 'start_time': '1:18', 'text': \"I think for me, it's all about passion and perspective.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:21', 'start_time': '1:21', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '1:28', 'start_time': '1:21', 'text': 'So for me, everything has to have some element of intrigue, mystery for me to explore Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '1:36', 'start_time': '1:28', 'text': 'And then try and find a point of view, the perspective, which suddenly makes me enjoy it far more than what maybe most would be doing.'},\n {'end_time': '1:37', 'start_time': '1:36', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '1:38', 'start_time': '1:37', 'text': \"So that's really my biggest kick in life.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:39', 'start_time': '1:38', 'text': 'Alright.'},\n {'end_time': '1:42', 'start_time': '1:39', 'text': \"You're also one of those people who goes really deep into subjects.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:46', 'start_time': '1:42', 'text': \"Like, I've never met anyone who goes as deep into subjects as you do.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:47', 'start_time': '1:46', 'text': 'Massive complaint from my wife.'},\n {'end_time': '1:49', 'start_time': '1:48', 'text': \"She can't handle it.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:50', 'start_time': '1:49', 'text': \"She's like, no.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:52', 'start_time': '1:50', 'text': \"I can't handle this intensity of exploration.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:53', 'start_time': '1:52', 'text': 'I feel you.'},\n {'end_time': '1:54', 'start_time': '1:53', 'text': 'I feel you.'},\n {'end_time': '1:55', 'start_time': '1:54', 'text': 'I feel it.'},\n {'end_time': '1:57', 'start_time': '1:55', 'text': 'So again, follow YouTube channel.'},\n {'end_time': '1:59', 'start_time': '1:57', 'text': \"I think it's a job requirement for me to go deep into things.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:04', 'start_time': '2:00', 'text': \"So when I heard your podcast with Vishal Gondal, sir, actually, like, that's what struck me.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:06', 'start_time': '2:04', 'text': \"I was like, okay, he's another freak like me.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:13', 'start_time': '2:07', 'text': \"So speaking about being freaky, the subject for today's podcast is spirituality versus science.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:14', 'start_time': '2:14', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '2:16', 'start_time': '2:14', 'text': \"You've got a spiritual past as well.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:17', 'start_time': '2:16', 'text': \"You're someone who's practiced Reiki.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:18', 'start_time': '2:17', 'text': \"You've practiced meditations.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:19', 'start_time': '2:18', 'text': 'Sure.'},\n {'end_time': '2:21', 'start_time': '2:19', 'text': \"You're also one of the most logical people.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:23', 'start_time': '2:21', 'text': \"You're someone who studied quantum physics.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:33', 'start_time': '2:23', 'text': 'And one of the most interesting conversations I ever had in my life was this conversation with you where you compared aspects of spirituality to concepts from quantum physics.'},\n {'end_time': '2:33', 'start_time': '2:33', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '2:36', 'start_time': '2:34', 'text': \"Let's get to that later on the podcast.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:36', 'start_time': '2:36', 'text': 'Sure.'},\n {'end_time': '2:39', 'start_time': '2:36', 'text': 'First, I wanna ask you, man, you you had, like, a difficult past.'},\n {'end_time': '2:40', 'start_time': '2:39', 'text': \"You've dealt with gout.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:43', 'start_time': '2:40', 'text': \"You've dealt with anxiety, mental health issues, things like that.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:44', 'start_time': '2:43', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '2:47', 'start_time': '2:44', 'text': 'And you told me that spirituality exercise, things like that, had helped you come out of it.'},\n {'end_time': '2:48', 'start_time': '2:47', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '2:50', 'start_time': '2:48', 'text': 'So could you just, like, run us through what had happened super quick?'},\n {'end_time': '2:50', 'start_time': '2:50', 'text': 'Sure.'},\n {'end_time': '2:51', 'start_time': '2:50', 'text': 'Sure.'},\n {'end_time': '2:57', 'start_time': '2:51', 'text': 'So I think throughout my life as a, you know, school kid, I was always into science.'},\n {'end_time': '3:01', 'start_time': '2:57', 'text': 'So for me, it was all so I have never been into God or religion per se.'},\n {'end_time': '3:03', 'start_time': '3:01', 'text': 'It was always about science.'},\n {'end_time': '3:12', 'start_time': '3:03', 'text': 'And there was a time, I think, in my career where I was facing gout like you mentioned, and my health was on a total down downward spiral.'},\n {'end_time': '3:19', 'start_time': '3:12', 'text': 'I had taken a lot of steps, which is cut out alcohol, cut out smoking, and all of that, but somehow gout persisted.'},\n {'end_time': '3:23', 'start_time': '3:20', 'text': \"So I was, like, very frustrated saying that, you know, I'm doing it all.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:25', 'start_time': '3:23', 'text': \"I'm kind of managing my diet, health, everything.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:28', 'start_time': '3:26', 'text': 'How is it that this continues to come back?'},\n {'end_time': '3:37', 'start_time': '3:28', 'text': \"And for those who don't know gout is uric acid levels going up and they go so high that they kind of crystallize in your joints in joints and they become super painful.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:41', 'start_time': '3:37', 'text': \"So you can't even like, you know, walk etcetera etcetera painkillers don't work.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:42', 'start_time': '3:41', 'text': \"It's really really bad.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:51', 'start_time': '3:42', 'text': 'So anyway, so that is to keep coming back and someone just said, hey, you have been through this, you have tried it all maybe, why do not you try reiki?'},\n {'end_time': '3:57', 'start_time': '3:51', 'text': 'I was like, I think I have reached this kind of bottom end, you know, in life that why not?'},\n {'end_time': '3:59', 'start_time': '3:57', 'text': 'So I think I got into it.'},\n {'end_time': '4:14', 'start_time': '3:59', 'text': 'And so, you know, I really believe that rather than just react to the outside, shape or what that spirituality is all about, I think for me, I just connected with the essence of it and that worked for me.'},\n {'end_time': '4:15', 'start_time': '4:14', 'text': 'Which was?'},\n {'end_time': '4:16', 'start_time': '4:15', 'text': 'What is the essence of it?'},\n {'end_time': '4:27', 'start_time': '4:16', 'text': \"So what I think I took out immediately was that a lot of my issues were not just medical, but there were things that are I'd suppressed Okay.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:28', 'start_time': '4:27', 'text': 'Throughout my life.'},\n {'end_time': '4:28', 'start_time': '4:28', 'text': 'Like emotions.'},\n {'end_time': '4:29', 'start_time': '4:29', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '4:32', 'start_time': '4:30', 'text': 'So those things were still there.'},\n {'end_time': '4:34', 'start_time': '4:32', 'text': 'I had never technically dealt with them Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '4:37', 'start_time': '4:34', 'text': 'Thinking that time is the greatest healer.'},\n {'end_time': '4:37', 'start_time': '4:37', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '4:37', 'start_time': '4:37', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '4:41', 'start_time': '4:37', 'text': 'So I think that that journey essentially got me to realize and accept Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '4:43', 'start_time': '4:41', 'text': 'That, hey, hang on.'},\n {'end_time': '4:46', 'start_time': '4:43', 'text': \"You know, we don't necessarily have a process of dealing with it.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:52', 'start_time': '4:46', 'text': 'And that that entire journey that I went through allowed me to understand how I could deal with it.'},\n {'end_time': '4:57', 'start_time': '4:53', 'text': 'And that gave me a lot of empowerment and, hope.'},\n {'end_time': '5:04', 'start_time': '4:58', 'text': \"And initially, I just for me it's like this, when I believe in exploring something, I go full on.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:04', 'start_time': '5:04', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '5:04', 'start_time': '5:04', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '5:09', 'start_time': '5:04', 'text': \"Then it's it's like full surrender, there is no doubt or suspicion or whatever.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:13', 'start_time': '5:09', 'text': 'So let me just take it on 100% and then see where it goes.'},\n {'end_time': '5:14', 'start_time': '5:13', 'text': \"So that's what happened.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:24', 'start_time': '5:14', 'text': 'And the funny part of this is that, maybe for almost a year, I just went so spiritual that again again, it scared my wife and everyone around me.'},\n {'end_time': '5:26', 'start_time': '5:24', 'text': 'I said, what the hell has happened to this guy?'},\n {'end_time': '5:27', 'start_time': '5:26', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '5:31', 'start_time': '5:28', 'text': 'Using language like love and all that, which was maybe alien.'},\n {'end_time': '5:32', 'start_time': '5:32', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '5:38', 'start_time': '5:32', 'text': 'But as that happened, I suddenly started seeing similarities with science again.'},\n {'end_time': '5:41', 'start_time': '5:39', 'text': \"And that's where I started realizing that hang on.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:49', 'start_time': '5:41', 'text': \"This wasn't like a totally different exploration or a journey, which is totally kind of, you know, unconnected with whatever I've been doing.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:51', 'start_time': '5:49', 'text': 'But it actually kind of became like a full circle for me.'},\n {'end_time': '5:52', 'start_time': '5:52', 'text': '100%.'},\n {'end_time': '5:52', 'start_time': '5:52', 'text': 'I was like, oh, hang on.'},\n {'end_time': '5:53', 'start_time': '5:52', 'text': 'Oh, okay.'},\n {'end_time': '5:57', 'start_time': '5:53', 'text': 'So this is this and that is that, and these are not this versus that.'},\n {'end_time': '5:57', 'start_time': '5:57', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '5:58', 'start_time': '5:57', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '5:58', 'start_time': '5:58', 'text': \"That's connected.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:03', 'start_time': '5:59', 'text': 'They connected beautifully on their own, like this the whole Steve Jobs thing.'},\n {'end_time': '6:03', 'start_time': '6:03', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '6:04', 'start_time': '6:03', 'text': 'The dots will connect.'},\n {'end_time': '6:05', 'start_time': '6:04', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '6:06', 'start_time': '6:05', 'text': \"That's what actually happened.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:14', 'start_time': '6:06', 'text': \"So do you kind of feel that western thought has kind of taken over all of the world where unless there's a western scientific proof about something, people just don't buy it anymore?\"},\n {'end_time': '6:33', 'start_time': '6:14', 'text': \"Like, they've not taken into consideration the possibility that, wait, do you see that happening a lot more?\"},\n {'end_time': '6:44', 'start_time': '6:33', 'text': \"Because from my learnings of spirituality and my learnings of the parallels between biology and spirituality, I feel that there's a lot for the scientific world to discover.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:45', 'start_time': '6:45', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '6:46', 'start_time': '6:45', 'text': 'The western world to discover these.'},\n {'end_time': '6:47', 'start_time': '6:46', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '6:52', 'start_time': '6:48', 'text': \"So I think to me, ultimately, it's a journey of harmony and alignment.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:53', 'start_time': '6:53', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '6:57', 'start_time': '6:53', 'text': \"And like I said, I don't think this is about science or spirituality.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:59', 'start_time': '6:57', 'text': \"It's ultimately how they support each other.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:59', 'start_time': '6:59', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '6:59', 'start_time': '6:59', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '7:05', 'start_time': '6:59', 'text': 'And and if science allows you to experience spirituality better, so be it Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '7:07', 'start_time': '7:05', 'text': 'And vice versa.'},\n {'end_time': '7:07', 'start_time': '7:07', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '7:07', 'start_time': '7:07', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '7:10', 'start_time': '7:07', 'text': \"So I think today, in fact, it's a it's a funny thing.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:10', 'start_time': '7:10', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '7:23', 'start_time': '7:10', 'text': \"The western world is now discovering the eastern, and the eastern world is saying maybe we didn't focus too much on the science a bit, but, hey, you know, there is another way of doing it.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:25', 'start_time': '7:23', 'text': \"So I think to me, there's a convergence happening.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:26', 'start_time': '7:25', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '7:29', 'start_time': '7:26', 'text': \"For example, let's just talk about reiki because that's something both you and me have done.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:32', 'start_time': '7:30', 'text': \"There's no scientific proof behind reiki.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:32', 'start_time': '7:32', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '7:32', 'start_time': '7:32', 'text': 'Wait.'},\n {'end_time': '7:33', 'start_time': '7:32', 'text': 'Hold on.'},\n {'end_time': '7:36', 'start_time': '7:33', 'text': \"Let's give you guys a kind of context on what reiki is.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:37', 'start_time': '7:36', 'text': 'So basically, reiki is touch healing.'},\n {'end_time': '7:47', 'start_time': '7:37', 'text': \"So say you're injured in a particular part, someone will conduct a reiki session over that particular part of your body and related parts that are also injured and kind of heal you through their touch.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:51', 'start_time': '7:47', 'text': \"Now there's not scientific proof behind this, but you've experienced Reiki.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:52', 'start_time': '7:51', 'text': \"I've experienced Reiki.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:58', 'start_time': '7:52', 'text': 'What you feel is actually real, and this is something only a Reiki practitioner will be able to vouch for.'},\n {'end_time': '7:58', 'start_time': '7:58', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '8:12', 'start_time': '7:59', 'text': \"Now the science of it according to me, and there's no proof behind this, but is that when you're when I'm touching your knee, say, like, you know, your knee is injured, I'm sending out some kind of electromagnetic waves from my own body into your knees, and that's kind of helping with the healing.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:20', 'start_time': '8:12', 'text': \"And the reason I've kind of drawn this conclusion is because when I had a tennis elbow, when I went to my physio, they gave me, like, these I think they put a machine.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:23', 'start_time': '8:20', 'text': \"I don't know what it's called, but they basically send electric waves on your injured part.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:25', 'start_time': '8:23', 'text': 'And that had actually helped my tennis elbow.'},\n {'end_time': '8:33', 'start_time': '8:25', 'text': \"That had made it heal, but not com it hadn't healed completely and that's why I had gone for Reiki where someone recommended, you know, why don't you try this alternative healing method?\"},\n {'end_time': '8:37', 'start_time': '8:33', 'text': 'And Reiki was the thing that actually kind of fixed my tennis elbow back then.'},\n {'end_time': '8:39', 'start_time': '8:37', 'text': \"And that's when I started buying it.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:39', 'start_time': '8:39', 'text': 'I was like, okay, wait.'},\n {'end_time': '8:45', 'start_time': '8:39', 'text': \"There's some science to this even if there's no scientific proof because I physically felt the healing inside me.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:45', 'start_time': '8:45', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '8:57', 'start_time': '8:45', 'text': \"Similarly, in Reiki then, I mean, you're administering Reiki to injured body parts and all that, but you're also administering Reiki to what we call the chakras, which are, like, key points on your cerebrospinal axis.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:06', 'start_time': '8:57', 'text': 'Like, on the straight line that bisects your body in half, there are some key organs, key glands, and reiki is even administered to key points on that axis.'},\n {'end_time': '9:08', 'start_time': '9:07', 'text': \"So that's basically the introduction to reiki.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:14', 'start_time': '9:08', 'text': 'I wanna ask, Abhijit, what was your whole experience of something like reiki, and what did it add to your life?'},\n {'end_time': '9:15', 'start_time': '9:14', 'text': 'What value did it add?'},\n {'end_time': '9:26', 'start_time': '9:15', 'text': \"Because you're a very successful businessman, entrepreneur, one of the most well read scientific human beings I've ever come across in my life, but you have dealt with something, say, nonscientific like Reiki.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:26', 'start_time': '9:26', 'text': 'Sure.'},\n {'end_time': '9:30', 'start_time': '9:26', 'text': 'So, actually, I must go one step back.'},\n {'end_time': '9:37', 'start_time': '9:30', 'text': 'When I went in my health transformation journey, I actually got on to the journey of discovering Osho.'},\n {'end_time': '9:37', 'start_time': '9:37', 'text': 'Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '9:39', 'start_time': '9:37', 'text': 'So Osho actually happened before Reiki.'},\n {'end_time': '9:39', 'start_time': '9:39', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '9:49', 'start_time': '9:39', 'text': \"So and, I think he helped me bridge the 2 worlds, the logical and, let's say, the total mystical and the spiritual bit.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:51', 'start_time': '9:49', 'text': \"So that was like a, let's say, step 1.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:57', 'start_time': '9:51', 'text': 'And when I got into Reiki, it kind of just synced very well in that.'},\n {'end_time': '10:09', 'start_time': '9:57', 'text': 'So for me, reiki was number 1, this whole acceptance that there is energy and do you allow energy or do you kind of hold on to it, block it.'},\n {'end_time': '10:16', 'start_time': '10:09', 'text': 'So the Reiki journey was really about I can let energy flow through me, and it can do good not just for me, for others as well.'},\n {'end_time': '10:19', 'start_time': '10:16', 'text': 'So I think that was a great kind of, you know, realization.'},\n {'end_time': '10:26', 'start_time': '10:19', 'text': \"Can you explain the same paragraph to a skeptic who's, like, listening to this and he's, like, what is this energy that Abhijit is speaking about?\"},\n {'end_time': '10:27', 'start_time': '10:26', 'text': 'So okay.'},\n {'end_time': '10:29', 'start_time': '10:27', 'text': 'Forget about the spirituality part of it.'},\n {'end_time': '10:31', 'start_time': '10:29', 'text': \"You know, it's like this.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:34', 'start_time': '10:31', 'text': 'You go into a room and people say, I feel a good vibe.'},\n {'end_time': '10:36', 'start_time': '10:35', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '10:38', 'start_time': '10:36', 'text': 'So sometimes the vibe can be hostile.'},\n {'end_time': '10:42', 'start_time': '10:39', 'text': 'Sometimes the vibe can be very friendly and welcoming and warm, etcetera.'},\n {'end_time': '10:43', 'start_time': '10:43', 'text': 'What is it?'},\n {'end_time': '10:44', 'start_time': '10:43', 'text': 'What is all that?'},\n {'end_time': '10:45', 'start_time': '10:44', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '10:47', 'start_time': '10:45', 'text': 'So essentially, we are antenna.'},\n {'end_time': '10:50', 'start_time': '10:47', 'text': \"Let's if you just look at ourselves as antenna, we are sensing something.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:51', 'start_time': '10:50', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '11:00', 'start_time': '10:51', 'text': 'Now we may not be able to kind of pinpoint this is, you know, this is a year and this, you know, gets in audio waves etcetera etcetera, but what is that?'},\n {'end_time': '11:00', 'start_time': '11:00', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '11:06', 'start_time': '11:00', 'text': \"And just because we don't have a definition for it or a, you know, a paradigm to define it or A scientific Yeah.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:06', 'start_time': '11:06', 'text': 'Exactly.'},\n {'end_time': '11:08', 'start_time': '11:07', 'text': 'We dismiss it.'},\n {'end_time': '11:09', 'start_time': '11:08', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '11:11', 'start_time': '11:09', 'text': 'We dismiss it as soft stuff.'},\n {'end_time': '11:11', 'start_time': '11:11', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '11:11', 'start_time': '11:11', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '11:13', 'start_time': '11:11', 'text': \"Or, you know, that's not that's not yeah.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:14', 'start_time': '11:13', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '11:15', 'start_time': '11:14', 'text': \"That's not real.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:15', 'start_time': '11:15', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '11:19', 'start_time': '11:15', 'text': \"But, you know, and it's not just about being in the same room.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:22', 'start_time': '11:19', 'text': 'For example, you think of someone and someone just calls you.'},\n {'end_time': '11:24', 'start_time': '11:23', 'text': \"Now what's going on?\"},\n {'end_time': '11:24', 'start_time': '11:24', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '11:31', 'start_time': '11:24', 'text': \"You know, is it a coincidence as we call you know, we like to call it and all that, but there's something at play here.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:36', 'start_time': '11:31', 'text': \"And I don't know when we're supposed to jump into quantum physics, but I was about to jump into quantum physics.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:41', 'start_time': '11:36', 'text': 'But, you know, there is there is this principle called entanglement.'},\n {'end_time': '11:41', 'start_time': '11:41', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '11:42', 'start_time': '11:41', 'text': 'What does that basically mean?'},\n {'end_time': '11:46', 'start_time': '11:42', 'text': 'It means that when 2 electrons start, they interact with each other.'},\n {'end_time': '11:49', 'start_time': '11:46', 'text': 'Well, electrons are like, the smaller parts of an atom.'},\n {'end_time': '11:53', 'start_time': '11:49', 'text': 'Like, atom consists of, like, 3 parts, proton, neutrons, and electrons.'},\n {'end_time': '11:59', 'start_time': '11:53', 'text': 'So, electrons are, like, the tiniest kind of brick that builds the house, which we call an atom.'},\n {'end_time': '12:06', 'start_time': '11:59', 'text': 'So the electron the electrons are the ones which are, like, you know rotating around this atom which is really tiny.'},\n {'end_time': '12:24', 'start_time': '12:08', 'text': \"And electrons when they let us say 2 electrons when they interact with each other they suddenly connect and even if they are separated and one electron is in Alaska and the other one is in, you know, Himalayas or whatever Like if you're able to separate them?\"},\n {'end_time': '12:24', 'start_time': '12:24', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '12:36', 'start_time': '12:24', 'text': \"So if, like, they've met, they've interacted and then they get separated for whatever reason, What happens to electron a happens simultaneously to electron b.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:36', 'start_time': '12:36', 'text': 'Like so many.'},\n {'end_time': '12:37', 'start_time': '12:36', 'text': 'And that is what entanglement.'},\n {'end_time': '12:38', 'start_time': '12:38', 'text': 'Oh.'},\n {'end_time': '12:40', 'start_time': '12:38', 'text': 'And it is a quantum physics thing.'},\n {'end_time': '12:43', 'start_time': '12:40', 'text': 'So, this has been proven by scientific experiments, etcetera.'},\n {'end_time': '12:52', 'start_time': '12:43', 'text': 'So, when you think of that same thing of, hey, I thought of someone and that person connect, something is something is getting communicated.'},\n {'end_time': '12:53', 'start_time': '12:52', 'text': '100%.'},\n {'end_time': '12:53', 'start_time': '12:53', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '12:58', 'start_time': '12:53', 'text': 'So in the science world, they could call it a 0 point field.'},\n {'end_time': '13:12', 'start_time': '12:58', 'text': 'Something exists and we are essentially we may may not see it, maybe invisible and they could be electrons, they could be particles, they could be waves or whatever, but something allows us to detect feel something instantaneously.'},\n {'end_time': '13:18', 'start_time': '13:13', 'text': \"And that's that's that's what fascinated me about the quantum physics world.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:18', 'start_time': '13:18', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '13:21', 'start_time': '13:18', 'text': \"So, we're gonna get back into quantum physics in detail.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:25', 'start_time': '13:21', 'text': 'I just wanna bring up this one point that I learned from Sadhguru, actually.'},\n {'end_time': '13:31', 'start_time': '13:25', 'text': \"He has this theory that your entire body, when you break it down, it's just a lot of memory put together.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:31', 'start_time': '13:31', 'text': 'Sure.'},\n {'end_time': '13:37', 'start_time': '13:31', 'text': \"As in the nose on your face is actually your great great great great grandfather's nose which has been passed on to you.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:38', 'start_time': '13:37', 'text': 'Okay?'},\n {'end_time': '13:39', 'start_time': '13:38', 'text': \"So that's one aspect of memory.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:48', 'start_time': '13:39', 'text': \"Similarly, if say, you know, you've gone through some pain in life, that mental memory gets stored in your head.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:49', 'start_time': '13:48', 'text': \"So there's different levels of memory.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:50', 'start_time': '13:49', 'text': \"There's physical memory Yep.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:53', 'start_time': '13:50', 'text': 'Mental memory, and then spiritual memory, emotional memory, all that.'},\n {'end_time': '14:03', 'start_time': '13:54', 'text': \"Also, when if I just, like, rub your knee, can I don't know if this is correct, but some of the electron on my skin may be sticking to, like, your knee?\"},\n {'end_time': '14:03', 'start_time': '14:03', 'text': 'Sure.'},\n {'end_time': '14:05', 'start_time': '14:03', 'text': \"Therefore, now they're a part of your body.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:05', 'start_time': '14:05', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '14:06', 'start_time': '14:05', 'text': 'So we have exchanged information.'},\n {'end_time': '14:07', 'start_time': '14:06', 'text': 'Yep.'},\n {'end_time': '14:19', 'start_time': '14:07', 'text': \"Now that person who you were calling who called you back, like, you know, you thought of the person and they called you back, could have been someone who's close to you, who you had physical intimacy with, who you had mental intimacy with, emotional intimacy with.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:21', 'start_time': '14:19', 'text': \"So would you say that there's some parallels Absolutely.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:22', 'start_time': '14:21', 'text': 'Like, memories get exchanged.'},\n {'end_time': '14:22', 'start_time': '14:22', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '14:28', 'start_time': '14:22', 'text': \"That's why they also say that it's important for a parent to touch a child while growing up, that you're passing on a lot of your own memory.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:32', 'start_time': '14:28', 'text': \"So this is spiritual side of it, but you're also bringing in the physics of it, the quantum physics of it.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:33', 'start_time': '14:32', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '14:38', 'start_time': '14:33', 'text': 'So in fact, you know, this whole thing we say that we are a system of energy.'},\n {'end_time': '14:38', 'start_time': '14:38', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '14:55', 'start_time': '14:38', 'text': \"So while I was deep diving, you know, when I got into that entire space, there's another body of knowledge, etcetera, which really looks at it not just as energy systems, but literally code, information code.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:58', 'start_time': '14:55', 'text': \"So there's a code field around you.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:04', 'start_time': '14:58', 'text': \"And when we're not well or we're not feeling good, things have gotten wrong in that code.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:10', 'start_time': '15:04', 'text': \"Just like, let's say, in a computer system, you have, you know, a program is a bug or something like that.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:15', 'start_time': '15:10', 'text': \"So essentially, it's about getting that code back in play, which is healing.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:15', 'start_time': '15:15', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '15:18', 'start_time': '15:15', 'text': \"So it's really about understanding it from that perspective.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:22', 'start_time': '15:18', 'text': 'So could reiki be some form of, like, electronic impulse that heals that cold?'},\n {'end_time': '15:23', 'start_time': '15:22', 'text': 'Sure.'},\n {'end_time': '15:23', 'start_time': '15:23', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '15:32', 'start_time': '15:23', 'text': 'Now coming back to quantum physics, you had told me one very beautiful story about, 2001 when the World Trade Center attacks had happened.'},\n {'end_time': '15:34', 'start_time': '15:32', 'text': 'Could you just, like, share it with the viewers?'},\n {'end_time': '15:37', 'start_time': '15:34', 'text': \"Because this kind of blew me away and I'm sure it blew them away as well.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:46', 'start_time': '15:37', 'text': 'So, I got into this rabbit hole of quantum physics, from this documentary called what the bleep do we know.'},\n {'end_time': '15:46', 'start_time': '15:46', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '16:07', 'start_time': '15:46', 'text': 'So what the bleep do we know is really about hey, we look at the world from one perspective and see the quantum physics world is a very intriguing fascinating world which frustrated the likes of Albert Einstein because whatever he could measure, prove in the normal atomic world, he said everything goes topsy-turvy in the subatomic world.'},\n {'end_time': '16:10', 'start_time': '16:07', 'text': 'Like when you go deeper into an atom when you magnify it.'},\n {'end_time': '16:18', 'start_time': '16:11', 'text': 'So it is like everything before you get into the atom part is structured, everything is sane, orderly.'},\n {'end_time': '16:22', 'start_time': '16:19', 'text': 'The moment you go into the subatomic world Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '16:23', 'start_time': '16:22', 'text': \"It's all chaos.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:24', 'start_time': '16:23', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '16:24', 'start_time': '16:24', 'text': 'Hold on.'},\n {'end_time': '16:29', 'start_time': '16:24', 'text': 'Can you just, like, give the viewers and the listeners an intro on what does quantum physics mean?'},\n {'end_time': '16:30', 'start_time': '16:29', 'text': 'Like, what is the meaning of quantum physics?'},\n {'end_time': '16:33', 'start_time': '16:30', 'text': 'Is it physics that deals with this smaller world?'},\n {'end_time': '16:34', 'start_time': '16:33', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '16:37', 'start_time': '16:34', 'text': 'It is the it is the study of the subatomic world.'},\n {'end_time': '16:37', 'start_time': '16:37', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '16:42', 'start_time': '16:37', 'text': 'So, compounds say for example, this you can see is a knee.'},\n {'end_time': '16:42', 'start_time': '16:42', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '16:44', 'start_time': '16:42', 'text': 'So this is from the normal world.'},\n {'end_time': '16:45', 'start_time': '16:45', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '16:53', 'start_time': '16:45', 'text': 'But actually when you go into the the atomic part of it which is very difficult to see right, you may not even see anything close to a knee.'},\n {'end_time': '17:00', 'start_time': '16:53', 'text': 'It is just energy interacting with each other that is what an atom really is its energy that is it.'},\n {'end_time': '17:10', 'start_time': '17:00', 'text': 'So the one beautiful part of quantum physics is that electrons can exist in 2 states, okay.'},\n {'end_time': '17:16', 'start_time': '17:10', 'text': '1 as a particle and that particle is what let us say allows me to exist and to be seen.'},\n {'end_time': '17:17', 'start_time': '17:16', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '17:21', 'start_time': '17:18', 'text': 'Or it can also exist in the form of a wave.'},\n {'end_time': '17:22', 'start_time': '17:21', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '17:22', 'start_time': '17:22', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '17:23', 'start_time': '17:22', 'text': 'What does that mean?'},\n {'end_time': '17:24', 'start_time': '17:23', 'text': 'The dual nature of Possibility.'},\n {'end_time': '17:25', 'start_time': '17:25', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '17:32', 'start_time': '17:25', 'text': 'And it says that only when there is attention on this wave does it transform into a particle.'},\n {'end_time': '17:40', 'start_time': '17:32', 'text': 'So again when you look at from a spiritual perspective, you have this thing that attention, intention on something creates reality.'},\n {'end_time': '17:41', 'start_time': '17:40', 'text': 'Manifestation.'},\n {'end_time': '17:42', 'start_time': '17:41', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '17:43', 'start_time': '17:42', 'text': \"It's really about that.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:52', 'start_time': '17:43', 'text': \"So otherwise, it's all possibility, but only when there's consciousness, which kind of gets diverted towards that does it become, like you said, manifested reality.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:55', 'start_time': '17:52', 'text': \"So, so that that's that's the quantum physics world.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:02', 'start_time': '17:55', 'text': \"So I started, because of that documentary and if anyone can watch that, that's a beautiful primer.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:03', 'start_time': '18:02', 'text': \"What's it called again?\"},\n {'end_time': '18:05', 'start_time': '18:03', 'text': 'What the bleep do we know?'},\n {'end_time': '18:05', 'start_time': '18:05', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '18:06', 'start_time': '18:05', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '18:08', 'start_time': '18:06', 'text': 'With the full asterisks etcetera of the bleep.'},\n {'end_time': '18:09', 'start_time': '18:08', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '18:13', 'start_time': '18:09', 'text': \"And, so it actually kind of it's not just about science or whatever.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:18', 'start_time': '18:13', 'text': \"It's really about life, and it's trying to kind of decode life from this extremely subatomic perspective.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:19', 'start_time': '18:19', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '18:28', 'start_time': '18:19', 'text': 'So that got me into this journey because there were various people who had gotten interviewed in that, documentary and I started kind of studying each one of them.'},\n {'end_time': '18:34', 'start_time': '18:28', 'text': \"And one of those people, Lynn McTaggart, I think she was called, she's written a couple of books.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:47', 'start_time': '18:34', 'text': \"And one of the books, so one book is called the field which really explains how that entanglement or how we're able to sense people, you know, subconsciously etcetera happens.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:03', 'start_time': '18:48', 'text': \"And the second book was the intention experiment and intention experiment is that there are institutes very scientific institutes like Princeton, for example, which has been measuring quantum physics effects for the last let's say 30 plus years.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:04', 'start_time': '19:03', 'text': 'All over the world?'},\n {'end_time': '19:14', 'start_time': '19:04', 'text': 'All over the world and they have installed these devices which essentially measure whether the energy is a particle or a wave.'},\n {'end_time': '19:14', 'start_time': '19:14', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '19:19', 'start_time': '19:14', 'text': \"So when nothing is going on, there is no stimuli, it's a wave.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:28', 'start_time': '19:19', 'text': \"When there's attention, when people, let's say, are gravitating towards something that transforms into a particle and those devices detect that.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:28', 'start_time': '19:28', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '19:31', 'start_time': '19:28', 'text': 'So let me let me, like, break this down for the layman.'},\n {'end_time': '19:34', 'start_time': '19:31', 'text': 'Basically, there are these tiny particles Yep.'},\n {'end_time': '19:35', 'start_time': '19:34', 'text': 'Which have a dual nature.'},\n {'end_time': '19:39', 'start_time': '19:35', 'text': 'They can be both, say, light waves or they can be a particle.'},\n {'end_time': '19:40', 'start_time': '19:39', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '19:45', 'start_time': '19:40', 'text': \"So, normally, they're light, but when you focus on them, they become a real particle when you actually look at them.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:48', 'start_time': '19:45', 'text': 'Say for example, would a star be a version of this?'},\n {'end_time': '19:50', 'start_time': '19:49', 'text': \"Like, you know, you're it's it's actually light.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:51', 'start_time': '19:50', 'text': \"It's a light from somebody.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:53', 'start_time': '19:51', 'text': \"When you're looking at it, it looks like a solid object.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:54', 'start_time': '19:53', 'text': 'Is it like a version of that?'},\n {'end_time': '19:59', 'start_time': '19:54', 'text': 'Actually, everything including a star or planet is built up of these atoms.'},\n {'end_time': '20:00', 'start_time': '19:59', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '20:04', 'start_time': '20:00', 'text': 'So the the DNA of life are these atoms which behave this way.'},\n {'end_time': '20:08', 'start_time': '20:04', 'text': 'So everything around you is also has a dual nature?'},\n {'end_time': '20:10', 'start_time': '20:08', 'text': \"I look at you right now and there's a physical abhiji?\"},\n {'end_time': '20:10', 'start_time': '20:10', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '20:12', 'start_time': '20:10', 'text': 'But then actually you are light.'},\n {'end_time': '20:12', 'start_time': '20:12', 'text': 'Yep.'},\n {'end_time': '20:13', 'start_time': '20:12', 'text': 'Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '20:13', 'start_time': '20:13', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '20:14', 'start_time': '20:13', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '20:20', 'start_time': '20:14', 'text': 'So it is like this, you know, if you look at from a philosophical point of view without context, content has no value.'},\n {'end_time': '20:30', 'start_time': '20:20', 'text': 'Similarly, in a subatomic perspective without attention or energy or involvement and participation, there is no particle.'},\n {'end_time': '20:32', 'start_time': '20:31', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '20:39', 'start_time': '20:32', 'text': 'And then you would say that hang on, if I am not thinking of a chair, how can the rest of the world see it as a chair is because it is also collective energy.'},\n {'end_time': '20:45', 'start_time': '20:39', 'text': \"So, you know, you've heard of psychology like this whole thing of the collective consciousness from Carl Jung Yeah.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:46', 'start_time': '20:45', 'text': 'And all of that.'},\n {'end_time': '20:54', 'start_time': '20:46', 'text': 'So there is also an effect of not just individual attention, but a group actually creating attention in that reality manifesting.'},\n {'end_time': '21:06', 'start_time': '20:54', 'text': 'So that the 911 example that you brought up from that book, the intention experiment that I was just referring to earlier, talked about 5 hours before that event happened.'},\n {'end_time': '21:15', 'start_time': '21:07', 'text': 'The devices that I mentioned across the world picked up a massive surge of change in energy Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '21:24', 'start_time': '21:15', 'text': '5 hours before the event, which meant that something was alerting our subconscious systems before the event.'},\n {'end_time': '21:29', 'start_time': '21:24', 'text': 'Just think about it, you know, there are times when you feel oh my god something is going to happen and it actually happens.'},\n {'end_time': '21:30', 'start_time': '21:30', 'text': 'What is that?'},\n {'end_time': '21:40', 'start_time': '21:30', 'text': 'Is it just about oh my god this guy is or he is blessed with some major mystical powers or maybe he is just tuned in.'},\n {'end_time': '21:41', 'start_time': '21:40', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '21:41', 'start_time': '21:41', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '21:46', 'start_time': '21:41', 'text': \"You know, so it's a question of how tuned in are you to the energy field or not?\"},\n {'end_time': '21:49', 'start_time': '21:46', 'text': 'Or And this is what people call intuition, your 6th sense.'},\n {'end_time': '21:49', 'start_time': '21:49', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '21:50', 'start_time': '21:49', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '21:57', 'start_time': '21:50', 'text': \"So I think from a coach perspective, I think it's also important to realize that everyone has it.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:59', 'start_time': '21:57', 'text': \"It's just a question of tuning in.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:07', 'start_time': '22:00', 'text': \"You know, you might think that oh, he can do it, I can't, he has fantastic intuition, I don't, which honestly is bullshit.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:11', 'start_time': '22:08', 'text': \"Because it's it's really about helping, so I was tuned out.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:17', 'start_time': '22:11', 'text': \"It's that the Reiki journey actually helped me tune in And that's what I, you know, so realized.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:24', 'start_time': '22:17', 'text': \"So, you know, I usually ask people what kind of role their spirituality has played in their careers, and obviously, I'm gonna ask you the same.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:26', 'start_time': '22:25', 'text': \"But you're also a career coach.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:32', 'start_time': '22:26', 'text': 'Like, you actually tell people how to make their career more efficient, how they can make more money, how they can become bigger in their careers.'},\n {'end_time': '22:38', 'start_time': '22:32', 'text': 'So what is your whole take on the process of spirituality or becoming spiritual in your career journey?'},\n {'end_time': '22:40', 'start_time': '22:38', 'text': 'What kind of tools can it give you?'},\n {'end_time': '22:43', 'start_time': '22:40', 'text': 'What are, like, you know, the weapons that it can put in your hand?'},\n {'end_time': '22:45', 'start_time': '22:43', 'text': 'So the first one is awareness.'},\n {'end_time': '22:59', 'start_time': '22:46', 'text': 'So, you know, we are on this hamster wheel, this treadmill of life that pace keeps, you know, just going on and on and on and on and let me get scared to get off it.'},\n {'end_time': '23:08', 'start_time': '22:59', 'text': 'Saying that, oh my god, if I get off it, I will lose out versus the journey of spirituality actually starts putting in that pause between stimulus and response.'},\n {'end_time': '23:09', 'start_time': '23:09', 'text': 'Awareness.'},\n {'end_time': '23:13', 'start_time': '23:10', 'text': 'And I think awareness is a tool which is not taught.'},\n {'end_time': '23:15', 'start_time': '23:14', 'text': 'It is self awareness.'},\n {'end_time': '23:15', 'start_time': '23:15', 'text': 'Yes?'},\n {'end_time': '23:16', 'start_time': '23:15', 'text': 'Being aware of who you are.'},\n {'end_time': '23:27', 'start_time': '23:16', 'text': \"To start with self and self awareness is the toughest actually, because it's it's kind of okay and normal to see someone else and, you know, make a comment on it.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:30', 'start_time': '23:27', 'text': 'But to really see yourself needs you to pull back.'},\n {'end_time': '23:31', 'start_time': '23:31', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '23:34', 'start_time': '23:31', 'text': 'Because you also have a assumption about yourself.'},\n {'end_time': '23:34', 'start_time': '23:34', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '23:34', 'start_time': '23:34', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '23:37', 'start_time': '23:34', 'text': 'And that assumption could come from what others say about you.'},\n {'end_time': '23:38', 'start_time': '23:37', 'text': 'Like a version of yourself in your head.'},\n {'end_time': '23:39', 'start_time': '23:38', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '23:40', 'start_time': '23:39', 'text': 'You think you are one person but you may not be that.'},\n {'end_time': '23:41', 'start_time': '23:40', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '23:43', 'start_time': '23:41', 'text': 'Or there could be different dimensions which you have not realized.'},\n {'end_time': '23:48', 'start_time': '23:44', 'text': 'There could be lot of programming that has led you to believe who you are etcetera etcetera.'},\n {'end_time': '23:54', 'start_time': '23:48', 'text': 'But have you really pulled back and say okay hang on, hang on, What is it really about me?'},\n {'end_time': '24:01', 'start_time': '23:54', 'text': 'Who who am I, you know, and what makes me tick click, you know, with with the word that you motivated about it.'},\n {'end_time': '24:01', 'start_time': '24:01', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '24:09', 'start_time': '24:01', 'text': 'So once I know that and when you ask this question about how does that help in the career progression is really about this is what works for me.'},\n {'end_time': '24:12', 'start_time': '24:09', 'text': 'This is what happens to me when I get challenged.'},\n {'end_time': '24:12', 'start_time': '24:12', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '24:17', 'start_time': '24:12', 'text': 'And this is what if I do this can help me overcome it.'},\n {'end_time': '24:17', 'start_time': '24:17', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '24:21', 'start_time': '24:17', 'text': 'So I think that to me is a very important part of it because what is spirituality?'},\n {'end_time': '24:24', 'start_time': '24:22', 'text': \"To me, it's like it's exercising.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:31', 'start_time': '24:24', 'text': \"You know, you go to a gym, you're essentially taking you're stressing a system to get stronger and stronger.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:36', 'start_time': '24:31', 'text': \"You're kind of putting inputs of stress so that your body and your system responds better.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:36', 'start_time': '24:36', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '24:39', 'start_time': '24:36', 'text': 'So to me, spirituality has to play that role.'},\n {'end_time': '24:40', 'start_time': '24:39', 'text': \"It's your life gym Yeah.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:42', 'start_time': '24:40', 'text': 'Which kind of helps you, you know.'},\n {'end_time': '24:43', 'start_time': '24:42', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '24:43', 'start_time': '24:43', 'text': 'Hang on.'},\n {'end_time': '24:46', 'start_time': '24:44', 'text': 'Now how do I get even more resilient?'},\n {'end_time': '24:46', 'start_time': '24:46', 'text': 'More resilient.'},\n {'end_time': '24:47', 'start_time': '24:46', 'text': 'More resilient.'},\n {'end_time': '24:48', 'start_time': '24:47', 'text': 'More intuitive.'},\n {'end_time': '24:52', 'start_time': '24:48', 'text': 'More listening as opposed to just reacting.'},\n {'end_time': '24:53', 'start_time': '24:53', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '24:55', 'start_time': '24:53', 'text': 'Talking, giving out thoughts, things like that.'},\n {'end_time': '24:55', 'start_time': '24:55', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '24:58', 'start_time': '24:56', 'text': 'Now I read a lot about spirituality.'},\n {'end_time': '25:04', 'start_time': '24:58', 'text': 'I only read 2 things which is business and spirituality, and those are the only 2 kind of escapism for me in life.'},\n {'end_time': '25:09', 'start_time': '25:04', 'text': \"And, with spirituality, I think the one common theme I've read across all the books by, like, the top authors.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:09', 'start_time': '25:09', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '25:15', 'start_time': '25:09', 'text': \"So I'm talking like Yoganand Paramans, Krishnan, Osho, people like that who I really look up to.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:25', 'start_time': '25:16', 'text': \"The common theme is that it is like exercise, spirituality, the spiritual game, and it's a parallel game to your career, to your life, and the way to progress is regular meditation.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:29', 'start_time': '25:26', 'text': 'They talk about that because, again, I speak about this a lot on the channel as well.'},\n {'end_time': '25:33', 'start_time': '25:29', 'text': 'Like, it biologically helps your body, cleans up your lungs, helps your brain develop.'},\n {'end_time': '25:40', 'start_time': '25:33', 'text': \"In in fact, like, it's it's kind of like how when you do bicep curls and your bicep is, like, becoming bigger, your brain becomes much more intense.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:44', 'start_time': '25:40', 'text': \"And now I've been meditating for, like, 4, 5 years, and I've seen the change in myself.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:46', 'start_time': '25:44', 'text': \"My family's seen the change in me.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:47', 'start_time': '25:46', 'text': 'You know, my loved ones have seen the change.'},\n {'end_time': '25:56', 'start_time': '25:47', 'text': \"My coworkers know things are much more calm, things are much more efficient, things are firing much faster, and I know it's a result of my meditation.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:01', 'start_time': '25:57', 'text': \"So what is your whole take on this whole meditation wave that's taking over the world?\"},\n {'end_time': '26:05', 'start_time': '26:01', 'text': 'Because people are actually the way I look at it, people are using meditation as one of those tools, you know.'},\n {'end_time': '26:07', 'start_time': '26:05', 'text': 'Vishal is our common friend.'},\n {'end_time': '26:12', 'start_time': '26:07', 'text': 'He actually talks about how every single billionaire in the world has, like, this meditation habit now.'},\n {'end_time': '26:13', 'start_time': '26:12', 'text': 'So there must be some science to it.'},\n {'end_time': '26:15', 'start_time': '26:14', 'text': \"So there's something that's happening there.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:20', 'start_time': '26:15', 'text': 'But from a quantum perspective, what do you think is happening and what is your general take on, like, meditation?'},\n {'end_time': '26:29', 'start_time': '26:20', 'text': \"So what you just said, the CEOs and all of that, they're all walking, talking meditation now, which is a damn good thing.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:35', 'start_time': '26:29', 'text': 'So see people need this, you know, something to follow.'},\n {'end_time': '26:41', 'start_time': '26:35', 'text': 'And when you have the right role models doing it, you get a lot of behaviour which follows.'},\n {'end_time': '26:44', 'start_time': '26:42', 'text': 'And what happens is it becomes a virtuous cycle.'},\n {'end_time': '26:50', 'start_time': '26:44', 'text': \"So when you have people doing this, it isn't much better than something which is like questionable and following that.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:09', 'start_time': '26:51', 'text': 'So you talked about the before we get into the quantum physics bit, which I have not even, attempted to explain, but I think meditation today, I think in the last 15 odd years has had a lot of neuroscience validation of how it affects brain to body etcetera etcetera.'},\n {'end_time': '27:25', 'start_time': '27:09', 'text': 'So I think that thanks to I think a lot of work that the Dalai Lamas Institute and, you know, all the neuroscientists who have kind of partnered with them to see the the little the physical, impact, the changes in the brain that happens for people who I know regularly meditate.'},\n {'end_time': '27:37', 'start_time': '27:25', 'text': \"So I think that has given a lot of confidence to the normally, let's say, skeptic only western way of thinking to saying that hang on this is now good enough to integrate in our way of life.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:38', 'start_time': '27:37', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '27:42', 'start_time': '27:38', 'text': 'So for example, Silicon Valley, many years back, they got on to the meditation bandwagon.'},\n {'end_time': '27:46', 'start_time': '27:42', 'text': \"I'm I'm sure you've heard of Google who created this whole search inside yourself Yeah.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:47', 'start_time': '27:46', 'text': 'Program and all that many years ago.'},\n {'end_time': '27:48', 'start_time': '27:47', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '27:50', 'start_time': '27:48', 'text': 'They look at it as a productivity hack.'},\n {'end_time': '27:54', 'start_time': '27:50', 'text': \"My point is that people might say, oh, but doesn't it take away from its core?\"},\n {'end_time': '27:59', 'start_time': '27:54', 'text': 'I would say that if it encourages you to do something better than what you did before, so be it.'},\n {'end_time': '28:00', 'start_time': '27:59', 'text': '100%.'},\n {'end_time': '28:09', 'start_time': '28:00', 'text': \"So I think to me, no matter what which platform you're coming from, if you're affecting affecting positive change, fantastic.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:18', 'start_time': '28:10', 'text': 'So, you know, it does not matter why and what and, you know, so I think to me if good things get kind of, you know, practiced and followed I think that is important.'},\n {'end_time': '28:23', 'start_time': '28:18', 'text': 'I think today it is reaching this mass following which is fantastic as far as I am concerned.'},\n {'end_time': '28:24', 'start_time': '28:23', 'text': '100%.'},\n {'end_time': '28:24', 'start_time': '28:24', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '28:29', 'start_time': '28:24', 'text': \"Coming back to the career coach side of things, what a minute you've got, okay, also the quantum physics.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:36', 'start_time': '28:29', 'text': 'Quantum physics of meditation, I think again it probably gets back into that whole thing of attention.'},\n {'end_time': '28:37', 'start_time': '28:36', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '28:37', 'start_time': '28:37', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '28:38', 'start_time': '28:37', 'text': 'To yourself.'},\n {'end_time': '28:50', 'start_time': '28:38', 'text': 'To yourself to your surroundings and therefore, I am saying helping reality manifest much better because if you remember waves possibility and particle being that physicality.'},\n {'end_time': '28:54', 'start_time': '28:51', 'text': 'So, I think meditation actually allows you to manifest.'},\n {'end_time': '28:54', 'start_time': '28:54', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '28:55', 'start_time': '28:54', 'text': 'Manifest.'},\n {'end_time': '28:57', 'start_time': '28:55', 'text': \"I'm I'm sure you've heard of these experiments.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:07', 'start_time': '28:57', 'text': \"And in fact, this is also covered in the what the bleep and, things like that where they've had meditators literally change the pH level of water.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:08', 'start_time': '29:07', 'text': 'Damn.'},\n {'end_time': '29:08', 'start_time': '29:08', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '29:10', 'start_time': '29:08', 'text': 'So they have measured this scientifically.'},\n {'end_time': '29:13', 'start_time': '29:10', 'text': 'This is not a kind of a, experiment.'},\n {'end_time': '29:19', 'start_time': '29:13', 'text': \"And and I don't know if you're aware, but even one level of change in pH is massive.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:21', 'start_time': '29:19', 'text': 'If you if you do that in the body, you die.'},\n {'end_time': '29:21', 'start_time': '29:21', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '29:31', 'start_time': '29:21', 'text': \"So they've actually like 4 meditators together and focusing on, you know, whatever, you know, water container and they actually changed the pH level.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:32', 'start_time': '29:31', 'text': \"So that's the power.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:39', 'start_time': '29:32', 'text': \"So obviously, you're tapping into something very fundamental, which is where this quantum physics bit comes in if you're not interested.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:41', 'start_time': '29:39', 'text': 'Also ahead of modern science.'},\n {'end_time': '29:42', 'start_time': '29:41', 'text': \"It's way ahead of modern science as of now.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:43', 'start_time': '29:42', 'text': 'Sure.'},\n {'end_time': '29:44', 'start_time': '29:43', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '29:48', 'start_time': '29:44', 'text': \"Like, I mean, people, like, if you say this to, like, the average person, if you're, what are you saying, man?\"},\n {'end_time': '29:51', 'start_time': '29:49', 'text': 'But there is quantum physics behind it, man.'},\n {'end_time': '29:52', 'start_time': '29:51', 'text': 'So Sure.'},\n {'end_time': '29:58', 'start_time': '29:52', 'text': \"So I think, you know, there's there's a quote from there's a quantum physicist called Fred Allen Wolf.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:59', 'start_time': '29:58', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '30:01', 'start_time': '29:59', 'text': \"He's one of the people, featured in that documentary.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:03', 'start_time': '30:01', 'text': 'I was mentioning what the bleep do we know.'},\n {'end_time': '30:12', 'start_time': '30:03', 'text': 'So he says like the beauty of life is not in the know but in the mystery, the k n k n o w.'},\n {'end_time': '30:16', 'start_time': '30:12', 'text': \"And I think that's a beautiful I use this quote in all my workshops that I do.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:25', 'start_time': '30:17', 'text': \"You know when you are in the know your mind is closed, you're not receiving, the antenna is not tuning in.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:31', 'start_time': '30:25', 'text': \"But when I'm in the mystery you're in curiosity stage and that to me is very important because the flow of energy changes.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:45', 'start_time': '30:32', 'text': \"And I think to me meditation allows you to step back and allow that flow and that curiosity and, you know, all those processes and when it's a practice like you were mentioning.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:51', 'start_time': '30:45', 'text': \"Anything that's a practice is only going to kind of, you know, do good for you.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:55', 'start_time': '30:51', 'text': \"If it's a one off thing, oh, now I want to go make it and become a superstar tomorrow.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:55', 'start_time': '30:55', 'text': \"That's not the point.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:57', 'start_time': '30:56', 'text': 'Exercising the same thing.'},\n {'end_time': '31:01', 'start_time': '30:57', 'text': \"It's a ritual of exercise, it's more important than One session.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:02', 'start_time': '31:01', 'text': 'Absolutely, you know.'},\n {'end_time': '31:22', 'start_time': '31:03', 'text': 'My final question to you for this podcast is that if you can tune back into your career coach mode, but also kind of tie in that spirituality element, what would you tell an 18 year old today that he should know in order to expand his mind, expand his career to the best of his capabilities from, like, a spiritual perspective as well?'},\n {'end_time': '31:26', 'start_time': '31:23', 'text': 'What spiritual advice would you give an 18 year old for his career or her career?'},\n {'end_time': '31:36', 'start_time': '31:30', 'text': 'So, most people have, you know, this one role model.'},\n {'end_time': '31:41', 'start_time': '31:36', 'text': \"And I think there's a lot of passion there and all of that and people following it and all.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:54', 'start_time': '31:41', 'text': 'But I think if I were to tell anyone starting off saying that hang on, always triangulate your source of insight, which means that maybe your role model is saying this, but is there another perspective behind it?'},\n {'end_time': '31:54', 'start_time': '31:54', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '32:03', 'start_time': '31:54', 'text': 'And I think to me, most people just get into it with blinders, follow follow follow follow follow, then learn in probably the most messy way.'},\n {'end_time': '32:07', 'start_time': '32:03', 'text': \"And some some learn and they grow, but a lot don't.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:14', 'start_time': '32:08', 'text': 'And then they kind of, you know, blame their either the role models or more the versus blame themselves.'},\n {'end_time': '32:22', 'start_time': '32:14', 'text': 'So I think to me, this whole thing of cultivating this habit of pulling back and saying hang on, is there another perspective to it?'},\n {'end_time': '32:22', 'start_time': '32:22', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '32:24', 'start_time': '32:22', 'text': \"Maybe there's opposing perspective.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:25', 'start_time': '32:24', 'text': 'Why is it opposing?'},\n {'end_time': '32:29', 'start_time': '32:26', 'text': 'Does that mean that this is wrong or maybe it actually adds to that?'},\n {'end_time': '32:36', 'start_time': '32:29', 'text': \"I think to me that's a very important part of anyone entering the the game of life, you know.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:39', 'start_time': '32:36', 'text': \"So that's what I would kind of honestly, you know, get.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:43', 'start_time': '32:39', 'text': 'So I hope it kind of ticked the boxes of spirituality As well as and quantum physics hopefully.'},\n {'end_time': '32:45', 'start_time': '32:44', 'text': 'For sure.'},\n {'end_time': '32:47', 'start_time': '32:46', 'text': 'Did you enjoy the podcast?'},\n {'end_time': '32:48', 'start_time': '32:47', 'text': 'Oh, nice.'},\n {'end_time': '32:48', 'start_time': '32:48', 'text': 'Good fun, man.'},\n {'end_time': '32:49', 'start_time': '32:48', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '32:49', 'start_time': '32:49', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '32:52', 'start_time': '32:49', 'text': 'So Abhijit is gonna be on a lot of our episodes going forward.'},\n {'end_time': '32:54', 'start_time': '32:52', 'text': \"I'm gonna link all his handles down below.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:55', 'start_time': '32:54', 'text': 'Make sure you follow him.'},\n {'end_time': '32:57', 'start_time': '32:55', 'text': 'Anything else you want linked, like, specifically?'},\n {'end_time': '32:57', 'start_time': '32:57', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '32:57', 'start_time': '32:57', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '33:00', 'start_time': '32:57', 'text': \"I'm like I'm honestly active purely on Instagram.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:01', 'start_time': '33:01', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '33:02', 'start_time': '33:01', 'text': \"So that's what I do.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:02', 'start_time': '33:02', 'text': 'So Cool.'},\n {'end_time': '33:03', 'start_time': '33:02', 'text': 'Cool.'},\n {'end_time': '33:05', 'start_time': '33:03', 'text': 'So, anyway, guys, if you enjoyed it, give it a thumbs up.'},\n {'end_time': '33:06', 'start_time': '33:05', 'text': 'Make sure you share it with your friends.'},\n {'end_time': '33:08', 'start_time': '33:06', 'text': 'Share it with other spiritual people.'},\n {'end_time': '33:10', 'start_time': '33:08', 'text': 'And until next time, guys, from Abhijit Hey, man.'},\n {'end_time': '33:11', 'start_time': '33:10', 'text': 'Thank you for being here.'},\n {'end_time': '33:12', 'start_time': '33:11', 'text': 'Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '33:14', 'start_time': '33:12', 'text': \"And myself, we'll see you later.\"}],\n dtype=object)}", "role": "user" }, { "content": "{'chapters': array([{'start_time': '00:00', 'title': 'Introduction'},\n {'start_time': '02:36', 'title': 'Anxiety and mental health issues'},\n {'start_time': '06:06', 'title': 'Western scientific proofs'},\n {'start_time': '07:32', 'title': 'What is Reiki?'},\n {'start_time': '13:17', 'title': \"Sadhguru's learning\"},\n {'start_time': '15:23', 'title': 'Story from quantum physics'},\n {'start_time': '22:17', 'title': 'About spirituality'},\n {'start_time': '24:55', 'title': 'Meditation around the globe'},\n {'start_time': '28:27', 'title': 'Quantum physics of meditation'}],\n dtype=object)}", "role": "assistant" } ]

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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:11", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "Welcome to another episode of monkey chat, intelligent conversations only ICO, featuring Vivek Mittal aka Fit Tuber, one of India's top health and fitness YouTubers." }, { "end_time": "0:18", "start_time": "0:11", "text": "The specialty about this gorgeous Insan is that he uses Ayurved to back up all his fitness and health videos." }, { "end_time": "0:21", "start_time": "0:19", "text": "In today's video, we're having some real talk." }, { "end_time": "0:30", "start_time": "0:21", "text": "We're talking about sex, masturbation, porn addiction, vegetarian food versus non vegetarian food, and a lot more gyan from the world of spirituality and Ayurved." }, { "end_time": "0:33", "start_time": "0:30", "text": "Try listening to the entire conversation, it will be worth your time." }, { "end_time": "0:42", "start_time": "0:33", "text": "You'll learn a lot and you'll basically have fun because you'll realize that even health and fitness YouTubers think in the same ways that you think and enjoy the show." }, { "end_time": "0:44", "start_time": "0:43", "text": "What's good, you guys?" }, { "end_time": "0:53", "start_time": "0:44", "text": "Welcome to another episode of monkey chat with my personal favorite YouTuber in India, Vivek Mittalbhai from FitTuber, the most knowledgeable YouTuber you will come across." }, { "end_time": "0:58", "start_time": "0:54", "text": "By our brands for lack of a better word." }, { "end_time": "1:00", "start_time": "0:58", "text": "But you also spread a lot of knowledge." }, { "end_time": "1:09", "start_time": "1:00", "text": "Today's podcast is going to be about nofap, about vegetarianism, about, spirituality, about your story, obviously." }, { "end_time": "1:11", "start_time": "1:10", "text": "By thank you firstly for being on the podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:12", "start_time": "1:11", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:14", "start_time": "1:12", "text": "It's my pleasure to be on beer biceps." }, { "end_time": "1:15", "start_time": "1:14", "text": "Really, I'm humbled." }, { "end_time": "1:18", "start_time": "1:15", "text": "And it's crazy that this is your first ever collaboration with another YouTube." }, { "end_time": "1:22", "start_time": "1:18", "text": "So I am honored that you selected beer biceps as your first collaboration." }, { "end_time": "1:22", "start_time": "1:22", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:23", "start_time": "1:22", "text": "It's my pleasure." }, { "end_time": "1:30", "start_time": "1:24", "text": "Bro, I want to ask you firstly, what is the intention with Fit Tuber?" }, { "end_time": "1:36", "start_time": "1:30", "text": "Because, you know, you're doing all these videos which are, like, 10 best shampoos in India, 10 best, say, soaps in India." }, { "end_time": "1:39", "start_time": "1:36", "text": "And then you also talk about the worst products among those." }, { "end_time": "1:40", "start_time": "1:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:43", "start_time": "1:40", "text": "And I'll tell you a cute story about how I came to know Fit Tuber." }, { "end_time": "1:47", "start_time": "1:44", "text": "Basically, I think Viraj is working on with you on certain projects." }, { "end_time": "1:54", "start_time": "1:47", "text": "And around the same time, one of the brands that you spoke about in your video, you actually spoke some negative stuff about that brand, which was honest." }, { "end_time": "1:56", "start_time": "1:54", "text": "Like, you gave an honest consumer feedback, which is fine." }, { "end_time": "2:02", "start_time": "1:56", "text": "I think it's a very fair argument, but that brand actually took legal action against you." }, { "end_time": "2:02", "start_time": "2:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:04", "start_time": "2:02", "text": "So what had happened there?" }, { "end_time": "2:05", "start_time": "2:04", "text": "Like, what is this?" }, { "end_time": "2:12", "start_time": "2:06", "text": "So basically, I had made this video, in which I had talked about a certain brand." }, { "end_time": "2:21", "start_time": "2:13", "text": "And then, of course, I had given my, honest opinion, and whatever I had said in that video, I very much stand to that even today." }, { "end_time": "2:22", "start_time": "2:22", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "2:25", "start_time": "2:22", "text": "But then what happened, a notice came to me." }, { "end_time": "2:26", "start_time": "2:25", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "2:29", "start_time": "2:26", "text": "And, I did not pay heed to that notice." }, { "end_time": "2:30", "start_time": "2:29", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "2:32", "start_time": "2:30", "text": "That that was a mistake, I believe." }, { "end_time": "2:40", "start_time": "2:32", "text": "And then they had sent me a notice that you have to you have to remove this content, you have to do this, otherwise, you will be taken to the court." }, { "end_time": "2:43", "start_time": "2:41", "text": "And and actually that happened." }, { "end_time": "2:44", "start_time": "2:44", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "2:51", "start_time": "2:45", "text": "I was like, summoned by the courts, and then there in, it was in Bombay High Court." }, { "end_time": "2:52", "start_time": "2:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:55", "start_time": "2:52", "text": "You used to actually live in Kakinarana, and then you fly down to Bombay." }, { "end_time": "2:55", "start_time": "2:55", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "3:00", "start_time": "2:55", "text": "I had to fly down to Bombay, and then it was very much new to me." }, { "end_time": "3:12", "start_time": "3:00", "text": "I had to arrange a lawyer, and when I was called in the court there, I had to speak about what happened, but I was, like, shocked to see, like, they had come with, like, 20 lawyers." }, { "end_time": "3:14", "start_time": "3:12", "text": "They had their own own team." }, { "end_time": "3:20", "start_time": "3:14", "text": "They had a arguing counsel, and in 30 seconds, they just blew me up." }, { "end_time": "3:20", "start_time": "3:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:28", "start_time": "3:21", "text": "And then it then I guess, But but on the product, genuinely, I remember the brand." }, { "end_time": "3:29", "start_time": "3:28", "text": "I remember the product." }, { "end_time": "3:35", "start_time": "3:29", "text": "And they had even come to us with a brand deal, but this is what I think the audience doesn't see about the YouTube world." }, { "end_time": "3:39", "start_time": "3:35", "text": "It's very intense working with brands, you know, all this stuff can happen." }, { "end_time": "3:47", "start_time": "3:39", "text": "But I am very, very choosy and I I'm very cautious about the fact that what I am promoting on my channel Because you're very honest with your audience." }, { "end_time": "3:51", "start_time": "3:47", "text": "I think that's what the whole fit to your audience has been built on by." }, { "end_time": "3:51", "start_time": "3:51", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "3:53", "start_time": "3:51", "text": "Audience is the key for me." }, { "end_time": "3:56", "start_time": "3:53", "text": "Like, I I cannot, like, cheat them." }, { "end_time": "3:57", "start_time": "3:56", "text": "Cheat them anyway." }, { "end_time": "4:07", "start_time": "3:57", "text": "There are certain people who I look at in the YouTube game who I say 30, 40, 50 years from now, this person will still be there and still be making content and be killing it, and you're one of those people." }, { "end_time": "4:08", "start_time": "4:07", "text": "Thank you so much." }, { "end_time": "4:11", "start_time": "4:08", "text": "I don't think I'm I deserve so much of it, but I'm humbled really." }, { "end_time": "4:11", "start_time": "4:11", "text": "Mainly." }, { "end_time": "4:12", "start_time": "4:11", "text": "Genuinely." }, { "end_time": "4:20", "start_time": "4:13", "text": "The other thing I really wanna talk to you about is this side of you that a lot of people don't know about and this is actually something you and me have a lot in common." }, { "end_time": "4:24", "start_time": "4:21", "text": "We are both non vegetarians who have turned vegetarian." }, { "end_time": "4:25", "start_time": "4:24", "text": "We both follow NoFap." }, { "end_time": "4:27", "start_time": "4:25", "text": "We're both deeply into spirituality." }, { "end_time": "4:30", "start_time": "4:28", "text": "It's something we also don't talk about so much." }, { "end_time": "4:32", "start_time": "4:30", "text": "I mean, you don't talk about so much." }, { "end_time": "4:34", "start_time": "4:32", "text": "I keep, like, talking about it all the time." }, { "end_time": "4:38", "start_time": "4:34", "text": "But I wanna start off on this whole NoFap thing, Mai." }, { "end_time": "4:43", "start_time": "4:38", "text": "This is something a lot of teenage guys, especially, are very intrigued by young guys." }, { "end_time": "4:46", "start_time": "4:43", "text": "I think our audience is primarily young and teenage guys only." }, { "end_time": "4:49", "start_time": "4:46", "text": "What's your whole situation with nofap?" }, { "end_time": "4:50", "start_time": "4:49", "text": "How did you get into it?" }, { "end_time": "4:52", "start_time": "4:50", "text": "And, like, you know, I you are following it right now." }, { "end_time": "4:52", "start_time": "4:52", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "4:53", "start_time": "4:52", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "4:53", "start_time": "4:53", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "5:01", "start_time": "4:53", "text": "First of all, I did not I when I came across this, that there is something like no fap and all, I was like, why?" }, { "end_time": "5:02", "start_time": "5:01", "text": "What is the need?" }, { "end_time": "5:04", "start_time": "5:02", "text": "I mean, vicky donor dehghee toh sochha ragi." }, { "end_time": "5:07", "start_time": "5:04", "text": "It's not natural or I'm a biological being." }, { "end_time": "5:09", "start_time": "5:07", "text": "There are urges coming up, so it's not natural." }, { "end_time": "5:26", "start_time": "5:10", "text": "But then I was like, this happened, I was reading a biography about Swami Vivekananda, and he had said this, he had quoted this line that if you do not ejaculate for like 12 years, something else will happen to you." }, { "end_time": "5:33", "start_time": "5:26", "text": "You may call it enlightenment, you may call it like you just cannot explain what will happen and your life will change." }, { "end_time": "5:36", "start_time": "5:33", "text": "That is what he had told and this intrigued me." }, { "end_time": "5:38", "start_time": "5:36", "text": "I was like, okay." }, { "end_time": "6:07", "start_time": "5:38", "text": "Then I went deep into this, I was like, I started reading about it, and there were like so many benefits mentioned even in, Sushruta Samhita, there has been, it has been talked about like how this, keeping this vital fluid in your body can like, have you, yeah, have you achieved the optimal health benefits, your mental clarity will improve, and if you are someone who is on a spiritual path, your growth will increase like many folds." }, { "end_time": "6:07", "start_time": "6:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:07", "start_time": "6:07", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "6:18", "start_time": "6:08", "text": "So, the even the yoga school I follow, they promote, I mean, they don't say they say you should retain your semen because it's something called creative energy." }, { "end_time": "6:19", "start_time": "6:18", "text": "Creative energy." }, { "end_time": "6:22", "start_time": "6:19", "text": "So that's the other word in the world of yoga." }, { "end_time": "6:25", "start_time": "6:22", "text": "They call semen or sexual energy creative energy." }, { "end_time": "6:26", "start_time": "6:25", "text": "And they also say this for women." }, { "end_time": "6:29", "start_time": "6:26", "text": "Like, there is a version of nofap for women as well." }, { "end_time": "6:36", "start_time": "6:29", "text": "And the long term aspect of retaining your creative energy is that you can focus much more easily in your meditations." }, { "end_time": "6:44", "start_time": "6:36", "text": "So for a beginner meditator, we always say that don't try focusing on anything because it becomes difficult for that person to, you know, start a meditation habit." }, { "end_time": "6:54", "start_time": "6:44", "text": "So if you are a beginner of your in your first two years of meditation, you should just kind of get into a habit of meditation, but once you actually enter this whole advanced meditation game, it does become about focus." }, { "end_time": "7:01", "start_time": "6:54", "text": "It becomes on focusing on certain body parts or focusing on certain breathing patterns or, you know, parts of your body." }, { "end_time": "7:03", "start_time": "7:01", "text": "So, all parts of your mind." }, { "end_time": "7:15", "start_time": "7:04", "text": "And, if you are actually able to retain your semen, if you don't basically masturbate, and if you, you know, abstain from sex, it really affects your meditations heavily in a good way." }, { "end_time": "7:15", "start_time": "7:15", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "7:20", "start_time": "7:16", "text": "Maheem Singha, there's one more thing both you and me believe in which is that NoFap is not for everyone also." }, { "end_time": "7:20", "start_time": "7:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:21", "start_time": "7:20", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "7:21", "start_time": "7:21", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:29", "start_time": "7:21", "text": "So, there's a lot of people against this concept of NoFap because they just kind of haven't experienced that whole life." }, { "end_time": "7:36", "start_time": "7:29", "text": "I think if if somebody is, like, intrigued by NoFap, or for example, if you're someone who is skeptic about NoFap Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:44", "start_time": "7:36", "text": "I would just tell them that you try it for like 1 week, 30 days, or whenever how much is it possible for you." }, { "end_time": "7:47", "start_time": "7:44", "text": "You just try it, and you will see the benefits coming in." }, { "end_time": "8:09", "start_time": "7:47", "text": "You will experience like better physical health, Starting mein, such mein mein kungabod mushkilai." }, { "end_time": "8:11", "start_time": "8:09", "text": "It's like really difficult in the beginning." }, { "end_time": "8:15", "start_time": "8:11", "text": "I think you should just, keep it as a challenge for 7 7 to 10 days." }, { "end_time": "8:21", "start_time": "8:15", "text": "Because I think when you keep on masturbating too much, then it's like a compulsion loop." }, { "end_time": "8:21", "start_time": "8:21", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "8:27", "start_time": "8:21", "text": "Even if your body is not looking for it, your mind is just constantly telling you." }, { "end_time": "8:27", "start_time": "8:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:31", "start_time": "8:27", "text": "And then then there is no difference between a cocaine addict and a masturbation." }, { "end_time": "8:32", "start_time": "8:32", "text": "100 100%." }, { "end_time": "8:34", "start_time": "8:32", "text": "Because then it's all about dopamine release only." }, { "end_time": "8:35", "start_time": "8:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:35", "start_time": "8:35", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "8:40", "start_time": "8:35", "text": "I think, masturbation, if you are a 11, 12 year old or a basically, start." }, { "end_time": "8:41", "start_time": "8:41", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "8:46", "start_time": "8:41", "text": "So, you know, it becomes like a body." }, { "end_time": "8:47", "start_time": "8:46", "text": "You know, I can do this." }, { "end_time": "8:58", "start_time": "8:47", "text": "And then over time you start, kind of associating your masturbation with, you know, that's generally how a young guy thinks." }, { "end_time": "9:03", "start_time": "8:58", "text": "And over time it becomes one of those things where you want your dopamine from your masturbation." }, { "end_time": "9:09", "start_time": "9:03", "text": "So one aspect of Nofap is kicking out of that mentality, understanding why you are masturbating so much." }, { "end_time": "9:12", "start_time": "9:09", "text": "And 2, understanding triggers." }, { "end_time": "9:20", "start_time": "9:13", "text": "So basically, if you have a addiction, like whether it is cigarettes, whether it is alcohol, there's always some trigger." }, { "end_time": "9:21", "start_time": "9:20", "text": "So engineer." }, { "end_time": "9:24", "start_time": "9:22", "text": "Engineering college smokers." }, { "end_time": "9:25", "start_time": "9:24", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "9:28", "start_time": "9:27", "text": "Engineering college smoking." }, { "end_time": "9:49", "start_time": "9:45", "text": "People see one guy and they get a trigger and that's why they feel, maybe smoke." }, { "end_time": "9:52", "start_time": "9:49", "text": "If you're hard then boy trigger, boy friend, go be smoke." }, { "end_time": "9:53", "start_time": "9:52", "text": "Maybe smoke." }, { "end_time": "9:54", "start_time": "9:54", "text": "Masturbation." }, { "end_time": "10:27", "start_time": "10:13", "text": "Phone into the bathroom with them always, and I know a lot of people who've done NoFap successfully or basically initially in that first 7, 8 days, they stop taking their phone into the bathroom because they realize that's the trigger and they just go in and do their bathroom work like they have a bathroom." }, { "end_time": "10:28", "start_time": "10:27", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "10:33", "start_time": "10:28", "text": "And I also feel that people are unaware, like, why they should preserve this semen." }, { "end_time": "10:33", "start_time": "10:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:33", "start_time": "10:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:37", "start_time": "10:33", "text": "Like, why even women it's valid for women as well." }, { "end_time": "10:39", "start_time": "10:37", "text": "Like, why they should preserve the Sexual energy." }, { "end_time": "10:40", "start_time": "10:39", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "10:48", "start_time": "10:40", "text": "So in Ayurveda, it has been very clearly mentioned that there are certain fluids in the body which should remain and certain which should go out." }, { "end_time": "10:52", "start_time": "10:48", "text": "For example, blood, semen, these should remain in your body." }, { "end_time": "10:54", "start_time": "10:52", "text": "You should, make them retained." }, { "end_time": "10:59", "start_time": "10:55", "text": "And then there are certain fluids, for example, stool, urine, they should go out." }, { "end_time": "11:05", "start_time": "10:59", "text": "And especially semen, like like whenever we eat some food, so it goes through 7 stages." }, { "end_time": "11:09", "start_time": "11:06", "text": "And after the the last and the final stage is semen." }, { "end_time": "11:12", "start_time": "11:09", "text": "And each stage takes about 5 days." }, { "end_time": "11:18", "start_time": "11:12", "text": "So it's like whatever you are eating today, after 35 days, semen out of that will be produced." }, { "end_time": "11:18", "start_time": "11:18", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:19", "start_time": "11:18", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:19", "start_time": "11:19", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "11:22", "start_time": "11:19", "text": "So it basically it's a very difficult substance for your body to produce." }, { "end_time": "11:23", "start_time": "11:22", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "11:30", "start_time": "11:23", "text": "And that semen, if you retain it, it moves upwards in the form of Ojas, as you've rightly said, creative energy." }, { "end_time": "11:30", "start_time": "11:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:33", "start_time": "11:30", "text": "So that nourishes your cells, your mind, everything." }, { "end_time": "11:34", "start_time": "11:33", "text": "By okay." }, { "end_time": "11:37", "start_time": "11:34", "text": "The yogic and Ayurvedic concept of semen is key." }, { "end_time": "11:41", "start_time": "11:37", "text": "You can channelize it and create it into a different kind of energy in your body." }, { "end_time": "11:48", "start_time": "11:41", "text": "But is the biology behind this concept that your actual, semen liquid, does it get absorbed by the cell walls or something?" }, { "end_time": "11:49", "start_time": "11:48", "text": "Like, what do you think?" }, { "end_time": "11:51", "start_time": "11:49", "text": "Have you do you have any knowledge about this?" }, { "end_time": "11:51", "start_time": "11:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:00", "start_time": "11:51", "text": "So, there was this research done by like 3 scientists, and they had they just wanted to see like what semen constitutes." }, { "end_time": "12:07", "start_time": "12:00", "text": "They they they found that 90% it of it was water, and 10% of it was nutrients." }, { "end_time": "12:15", "start_time": "12:08", "text": "And those were the nutrients which included most of the minerals, cholesterol, and other minerals, which are foods for the brain." }, { "end_time": "12:19", "start_time": "12:15", "text": "Like, madam, it's basically like you're putting petrol into your brain." }, { "end_time": "12:19", "start_time": "12:19", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "12:30", "start_time": "12:19", "text": "It's like moves, like, according to I'm not sure how much forward modern science has gone into it, but Ayurveda is very clear about the fact that it moves upwards and nourishes your cells Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:30", "start_time": "12:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:32", "start_time": "12:30", "text": "Brain and the overall body." }, { "end_time": "12:32", "start_time": "12:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:39", "start_time": "12:32", "text": "In fact, in even in vices, there are certain kinds of pranayams, breathing exercises through which, you can actually change the flow of semen." }, { "end_time": "12:50", "start_time": "12:39", "text": "So I've learnt a pranayam like this, we're not allowed to talk about this kind of pranayama on a public platform, but there are actually techniques in yoga which allow you to change the direction of semen's flow." }, { "end_time": "12:56", "start_time": "12:51", "text": "That's how I actually got into this whole NoFap movement because even I used to be one of those guys who used to say that." }, { "end_time": "12:59", "start_time": "12:57", "text": "But it's a start up." }, { "end_time": "13:01", "start_time": "12:59", "text": "I mean, it's very much natural." }, { "end_time": "13:01", "start_time": "13:01", "text": "Normal." }, { "end_time": "13:04", "start_time": "13:04", "text": "Masturbation." }, { "end_time": "13:10", "start_time": "13:06", "text": "Like there's no guy watching this, hearing this who's not masturbated." }, { "end_time": "13:10", "start_time": "13:10", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "13:13", "start_time": "13:10", "text": "So it becomes that normies a lot because of western culture." }, { "end_time": "13:18", "start_time": "13:13", "text": "But western culture talks about many things, like, which may not be correct for you." }, { "end_time": "13:24", "start_time": "13:18", "text": "For example, something like being polyamorous, having multiple sexual partners, you know, things like that." }, { "end_time": "13:24", "start_time": "13:24", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "13:29", "start_time": "13:25", "text": "So you can't just say, it might be correct." }, { "end_time": "13:31", "start_time": "13:29", "text": "It's it doesn't work like that, I feel." }, { "end_time": "13:35", "start_time": "13:31", "text": "And again, what you said about Ayurveda talking about things, but Western science is not." }, { "end_time": "13:40", "start_time": "13:35", "text": "Western science is going to discover 20,000,000 things in the next 20 years of science." }, { "end_time": "13:41", "start_time": "13:40", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "13:42", "start_time": "13:41", "text": "They are going ahead with this." }, { "end_time": "13:48", "start_time": "13:43", "text": "And according to modern science as well, sure, they say that masturbation is very much normal." }, { "end_time": "13:55", "start_time": "13:48", "text": "Like, we are biological beings, so it's natural urges which come due to hormonal changes after a certain age." }, { "end_time": "14:04", "start_time": "13:55", "text": "But even they warn on excessive masturbation because you are getting into a loop, and you are like your whole life is revolving around masturbation." }, { "end_time": "14:10", "start_time": "14:04", "text": "Like sometimes I get messages, people telling me that we are masturbating 5 to 6 times every day." }, { "end_time": "14:14", "start_time": "14:10", "text": "So so we have to understand like how much time they are wasting on this." }, { "end_time": "14:19", "start_time": "14:15", "text": "Because it's not just that you have masturbated, like before that you have might have watched something." }, { "end_time": "14:24", "start_time": "14:19", "text": "So every time like your whole productivity is going on into that only." }, { "end_time": "14:35", "start_time": "14:24", "text": "And then there have been certain side effects of modern science talks about certain side effects like there is a loss of real sexual sensitivity in women especially." }, { "end_time": "14:35", "start_time": "14:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:35", "start_time": "14:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:37", "start_time": "14:35", "text": "Basically, so I think I've read about this." }, { "end_time": "14:46", "start_time": "14:37", "text": "It's that, if women masturbate often, like, very often, like, every day, it's difficult for them to orgasm in actual sexual intercourse." }, { "end_time": "14:47", "start_time": "14:46", "text": "That's what I mean." }, { "end_time": "14:57", "start_time": "14:47", "text": "So the whole sex life for both the sexual partners becomes a little difficult because for a lot of guys who are having sex, sex for guys a lot of times is about pleasuring the girl." }, { "end_time": "14:58", "start_time": "14:57", "text": "Lot of guys think like that." }, { "end_time": "15:07", "start_time": "14:58", "text": "First I want to pleasure the girl, but if the girl herself is not, like, orgasming then it it kind of, you know, affects the guy's sexual life also badly." }, { "end_time": "15:16", "start_time": "15:08", "text": "In saying that it works in the reverse way also where, because of masturbating, you get very used to your hand on, like, a penis." }, { "end_time": "15:22", "start_time": "15:17", "text": "So when you actually go through sex, it feels very different from having that hand on your penis always." }, { "end_time": "15:36", "start_time": "15:23", "text": "So, a lot of guys, and I know this from engineering college, a lot of my friends, they could last for very long in bed, like, as in they could, like, you know, be having sex for very long, but they never ejaculated because they were so used to masturbating." }, { "end_time": "15:43", "start_time": "15:36", "text": "And after having intercourse, then they would go and, like, masturbate, which is like you're kind of spoiling the vibe for your partner also." }, { "end_time": "15:44", "start_time": "15:43", "text": "Actually, that's true." }, { "end_time": "15:52", "start_time": "15:44", "text": "Like, when you masturbate, like, excessively too much, like, almost every day you're doing it 3, 4 times, then you do not enjoy the real sex." }, { "end_time": "16:00", "start_time": "15:52", "text": "Actually, if you are getting addicted to anything, if that's that thing is becoming your life is revolving around masturbation Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:01", "start_time": "16:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:02", "start_time": "16:01", "text": "Then you are in a mess, I guess." }, { "end_time": "16:02", "start_time": "16:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:02", "start_time": "16:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:03", "start_time": "16:02", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "16:06", "start_time": "16:04", "text": "What's your take on porn generally?" }, { "end_time": "16:14", "start_time": "16:06", "text": "Like, I mean, porn is something I've run away from for the same reason, like, that it again, it's an addiction at the end of the day." }, { "end_time": "16:19", "start_time": "16:15", "text": "It's also one of those things that it's very normalized because all of us have grown up watching porn." }, { "end_time": "16:27", "start_time": "16:23", "text": "But porn also it gives you a wrong idea of what sex is." }, { "end_time": "16:38", "start_time": "16:27", "text": "Sometimes porn is very violent, it also there was this concept I read that if you watch a lot of porn you basically start getting excited about sex as a third person thing." }, { "end_time": "16:39", "start_time": "16:38", "text": "What happened?" }, { "end_time": "16:48", "start_time": "16:39", "text": "Because you are watching people having sex on your screen and that's what you are ejaculating to your brain dopamine release gets associated with the 3rd person view." }, { "end_time": "16:51", "start_time": "16:49", "text": "I'm seeing 2 people having sex and that's what I'm enjoying." }, { "end_time": "16:58", "start_time": "16:51", "text": "So if you actually end up having sex in real life then, you know, you will you won't enjoy it as well because you'll be like, wait, this is a first person view." }, { "end_time": "17:05", "start_time": "16:58", "text": "It's like playing, say, Fortnite versus playing, you know, Call of Duty where it's 1st person versus 3rd person." }, { "end_time": "17:06", "start_time": "17:05", "text": "This is a bad example." }, { "end_time": "17:12", "start_time": "17:06", "text": "But So, according to me, like, as you said, pawn is something which is not real." }, { "end_time": "17:20", "start_time": "17:12", "text": "Like, whatever, like, you have been, if we see if whatever pawn you see, they will just show things just to make it good." }, { "end_time": "17:22", "start_time": "17:21", "text": "That's not real." }, { "end_time": "17:32", "start_time": "17:22", "text": "And when you are in a teenage, you try to grasp all those things and you and when you come into that real kind of scenario, maybe you won't get that kind of thing and then you are like disappointed." }, { "end_time": "17:40", "start_time": "17:32", "text": "So on for some, like, it's okay, like, if you want to relax for some time, it's fine." }, { "end_time": "17:51", "start_time": "17:40", "text": "But if you're making it again, if you're making it a part of your life, like, every day you're watching that and just expecting the same, then you are, like, not going anywhere." }, { "end_time": "17:51", "start_time": "17:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:00", "start_time": "17:51", "text": "The again, this is a joke, but, with watching porn, I think most guys who spend a lot of time on porn spend time finding the correct porn clip." }, { "end_time": "18:00", "start_time": "18:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:03", "start_time": "18:00", "text": "And then, like, you know, I think most of the porn watching time is." }, { "end_time": "18:18", "start_time": "18:09", "text": "It's it's just it's just one of those things where I I feel kicking out of that porn habit, the masturbation habit, it does a lot of wonders for you." }, { "end_time": "18:20", "start_time": "18:18", "text": "Lot of young guys watching this." }, { "end_time": "18:31", "start_time": "18:22", "text": "That's that's that's that's something that both Vivek Bhai and me face because we're health YouTubers." }, { "end_time": "18:33", "start_time": "18:32", "text": "But yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:35", "start_time": "18:33", "text": "Anyway, see, this is our opinion." }, { "end_time": "18:42", "start_time": "18:35", "text": "At the end of the day, I also feel strongly that you don't listen to people unless you yourself agree 100% about what what basically." }, { "end_time": "18:42", "start_time": "18:42", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "18:47", "start_time": "18:42", "text": "I want to just say this that if you're a skeptic, like, even I was like that." }, { "end_time": "18:49", "start_time": "18:47", "text": "So you just explore yourself." }, { "end_time": "18:50", "start_time": "18:49", "text": "You just try NoFap." }, { "end_time": "18:53", "start_time": "18:51", "text": "You try being away from porn." }, { "end_time": "18:55", "start_time": "18:53", "text": "If you feel that that is benefiting you Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:58", "start_time": "18:56", "text": "Then I think you are you will know what to do." }, { "end_time": "18:58", "start_time": "18:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:58", "start_time": "18:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:02", "start_time": "18:58", "text": "But don't kind of discount things without experiencing it yourself." }, { "end_time": "19:10", "start_time": "19:02", "text": "Like, both of us are extremely scientific people, for each of our fitness videos, I'm dead sure Vivek Bhai does 2, 3 days of research." }, { "end_time": "19:11", "start_time": "19:10", "text": "Same." }, { "end_time": "19:11", "start_time": "19:11", "text": "You and I do the same." }, { "end_time": "19:20", "start_time": "19:11", "text": "2, 3 days of research where we'll go through detailed studies, and that's when we're putting out, NoFap videos or vegetarianism videos which is what we are gonna come to next." }, { "end_time": "19:26", "start_time": "19:20", "text": "But Cece, if you wanna learn more about the science of NoFap, I'm gonna link Vivek Bhai's video on NoFap down below." }, { "end_time": "19:29", "start_time": "19:26", "text": "Go check it out, it's one of the best videos I have seen on the topic." }, { "end_time": "19:34", "start_time": "19:30", "text": "Vivek Bhai, the other big change that we've brought about in our lives is vegetarianism." }, { "end_time": "19:36", "start_time": "19:34", "text": "You're also Punjabi guy." }, { "end_time": "19:36", "start_time": "19:36", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "19:37", "start_time": "19:36", "text": "So butter chicken." }, { "end_time": "19:45", "start_time": "19:41", "text": "I think both of us gave up meat, around the same time actually." }, { "end_time": "19:47", "start_time": "19:45", "text": "So, Vivek Bhai, how did this whole vegetarian thing start?" }, { "end_time": "19:55", "start_time": "19:48", "text": "So even I was a non vegetarian before, like, like, even my previous videos, like, I have been talking about non vegetarian diets." }, { "end_time": "19:56", "start_time": "19:55", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "20:01", "start_time": "19:56", "text": "So, like, chicken, fish, mutton, protein." }, { "end_time": "20:05", "start_time": "20:03", "text": "It's now I have protein." }, { "end_time": "20:06", "start_time": "20:05", "text": "I have protein." }, { "end_time": "20:07", "start_time": "20:06", "text": "I have protein." }, { "end_time": "20:08", "start_time": "20:07", "text": "I have protein." }, { "end_time": "20:10", "start_time": "20:08", "text": "I have a stage." }, { "end_time": "20:12", "start_time": "20:10", "text": "I have a stage." }, { "end_time": "20:14", "start_time": "20:12", "text": "But then, certain things happened in my life." }, { "end_time": "20:20", "start_time": "20:14", "text": "I went into a phase and Like a a little sad phase?" }, { "end_time": "20:20", "start_time": "20:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:26", "start_time": "20:20", "text": "It was a little depressing phase, and after that, I, like, I went into spirituality." }, { "end_time": "20:27", "start_time": "20:26", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "20:30", "start_time": "20:27", "text": "And after that, though, I think it just happened to me." }, { "end_time": "20:34", "start_time": "20:30", "text": "Even I do not have the answer that how it happened, but it just it was a calling, I guess." }, { "end_time": "20:35", "start_time": "20:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:35", "start_time": "20:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:37", "start_time": "20:35", "text": "So And but then your body rejected it." }, { "end_time": "20:37", "start_time": "20:37", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "20:42", "start_time": "20:37", "text": "Like, oh, once you once you get into spirituality, I think your body starts rejecting certain food." }, { "end_time": "20:42", "start_time": "20:42", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "20:42", "start_time": "20:42", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "20:47", "start_time": "20:42", "text": "Even even I was, like, eating too much at that point of time." }, { "end_time": "20:49", "start_time": "20:47", "text": "I used to eat like 6 to 8 meals a day." }, { "end_time": "20:57", "start_time": "20:49", "text": "Then slowly I started cutting that down because I was like I was like reading like too much food means like it's not good for you." }, { "end_time": "20:58", "start_time": "20:57", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "21:06", "start_time": "20:58", "text": "Bhai, so okay let's talk about vegetarianism, but first let's talk about the reason why both you and me became vegetarian which is this whole spirituality game." }, { "end_time": "21:11", "start_time": "21:08", "text": "Lot of people think that, yeah, you know, vegetarian." }, { "end_time": "21:13", "start_time": "21:13", "text": "So how are you happy?" }, { "end_time": "21:14", "start_time": "21:13", "text": "How are you being happy?" }, { "end_time": "21:17", "start_time": "21:15", "text": "Don't you feel that this is the happiest you've been in your life?" }, { "end_time": "21:17", "start_time": "21:17", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "21:18", "start_time": "21:18", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "21:18", "start_time": "21:18", "text": "Same." }, { "end_time": "21:27", "start_time": "21:18", "text": "Even I'm in that zone like I'm so thrilled with life, I'm so like genuinely happy from my heart." }, { "end_time": "21:31", "start_time": "21:28", "text": "And a big reason for that is because I've given up the wrong things in life." }, { "end_time": "21:32", "start_time": "21:31", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "21:37", "start_time": "21:32", "text": "And while those things are in your life, you kind of feel like there's a leash around you, but you don't know that there's a leash." }, { "end_time": "21:49", "start_time": "21:37", "text": "And when you actually cut off masturbation, you cut off lot of excess meat, you cut off wrong habits, like, wrong eating habits, and then you do that for 1, 2 months, that's when you really start seeing the happiness change in you." }, { "end_time": "21:54", "start_time": "21:50", "text": "Bhai, so this whole spirituality game, I'm you're a meditator also, you meditate." }, { "end_time": "21:55", "start_time": "21:54", "text": "So do I." }, { "end_time": "22:01", "start_time": "21:55", "text": "One thing I've seen with long term meditation is that see, it definitely changes your mind and there's studies to back it." }, { "end_time": "22:03", "start_time": "22:01", "text": "It changes the structure of your brain." }, { "end_time": "22:09", "start_time": "22:03", "text": "But once your mind structure changes, certain biological aspects of your body also change." }, { "end_time": "22:12", "start_time": "22:10", "text": "Like, this whole thing about rejecting food." }, { "end_time": "22:16", "start_time": "22:13", "text": "I remember there was a phase in my life where I should take chicken breasts." }, { "end_time": "22:19", "start_time": "22:17", "text": "I will boil boil mixer." }, { "end_time": "22:23", "start_time": "22:22", "text": "Chicken breast shake." }, { "end_time": "22:25", "start_time": "22:23", "text": "I used to have it." }, { "end_time": "22:25", "start_time": "22:25", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "22:26", "start_time": "22:25", "text": "Like, I've like, I had that much." }, { "end_time": "22:27", "start_time": "22:27", "text": "Protein." }, { "end_time": "22:32", "start_time": "22:30", "text": "Where my bhail is okay." }, { "end_time": "22:34", "start_time": "22:32", "text": "I used to eat bhail and then I used to put shredded chicken in that." }, { "end_time": "22:41", "start_time": "22:35", "text": "And I think just one day when I saw that chicken in front of me, I was just like, I don't know." }, { "end_time": "22:42", "start_time": "22:41", "text": "It's just seeming too heavy." }, { "end_time": "22:45", "start_time": "22:42", "text": "And I ate also little, and I felt very, like, puffy." }, { "end_time": "22:47", "start_time": "22:45", "text": "Like, I just felt very puffed up." }, { "end_time": "22:51", "start_time": "22:47", "text": "And that's when I realized that, you know, I should try doing without chicken." }, { "end_time": "22:54", "start_time": "22:51", "text": "So this had actually happened to me with red meat before I say lot of mutton." }, { "end_time": "22:58", "start_time": "22:55", "text": "And I gave up mutton because I felt like it was too hot for my body." }, { "end_time": "22:59", "start_time": "22:58", "text": "Then I gave up chicken." }, { "end_time": "23:02", "start_time": "22:59", "text": "Then I ate seafood for some time and slowly I even gave up seafood." }, { "end_time": "23:05", "start_time": "23:02", "text": "Same thing happened to you, like, slowly your body rejected over time." }, { "end_time": "23:06", "start_time": "23:05", "text": "What was your journey?" }, { "end_time": "23:06", "start_time": "23:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:12", "start_time": "23:07", "text": "So as I said, I was, like, too much into veg non vegetarian food at one point of time." }, { "end_time": "23:19", "start_time": "23:13", "text": "Then in that phase when I was, like, quite depressed, and I just found spirituality." }, { "end_time": "23:25", "start_time": "23:20", "text": "I started watching certain spiritual videos as you may call it." }, { "end_time": "23:29", "start_time": "23:25", "text": "So I just felt that I did not know about this dimension of life." }, { "end_time": "23:36", "start_time": "23:30", "text": "And when I went more and more into this, then I felt that I cannot eat non vegetarian food." }, { "end_time": "23:39", "start_time": "23:36", "text": "So I I felt that it was effortless for me." }, { "end_time": "23:40", "start_time": "23:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:40", "start_time": "23:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:43", "start_time": "23:40", "text": "Like, it was like one day I said I won't be eating it." }, { "end_time": "23:45", "start_time": "23:43", "text": "And after that, I've never even touched it." }, { "end_time": "23:45", "start_time": "23:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:45", "start_time": "23:45", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "23:46", "start_time": "23:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:51", "start_time": "23:46", "text": "So that that just happened and I have and I feel that it's amazing." }, { "end_time": "23:51", "start_time": "23:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:58", "start_time": "23:52", "text": "Now I feel and people think that non vegetarian food, if you're not eating non vegetarian food, then Body name banengi." }, { "end_time": "24:01", "start_time": "23:58", "text": "Body name banengi or maybe you're not getting enough nutrients." }, { "end_time": "24:02", "start_time": "24:01", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:02", "start_time": "24:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:09", "start_time": "24:02", "text": "But I can tell you this very surely that even in vegetarian food, you can get each and every nutrient that you want." }, { "end_time": "24:09", "start_time": "24:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:09", "start_time": "24:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:10", "start_time": "24:09", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "24:17", "start_time": "24:10", "text": "Like, that's I think the argument that a lot of hardcore non vegetarians have, like how you and me also used to be hardcore non vegetarians." }, { "end_time": "24:18", "start_time": "24:17", "text": "Even we used to say things like that." }, { "end_time": "24:29", "start_time": "24:18", "text": "You know, you have b 12, you know, calcium But, the kind of benefits you feel internally once you switch fully to vegetarian diet, it's not easy also to switch for many people." }, { "end_time": "24:29", "start_time": "24:29", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "24:30", "start_time": "24:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:32", "start_time": "24:30", "text": "Initially, even I used to crave non veg and all sometimes." }, { "end_time": "24:36", "start_time": "24:32", "text": "But once you're in that vegetarian zone in life, then you can never go back." }, { "end_time": "24:37", "start_time": "24:36", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "24:39", "start_time": "24:37", "text": "Because you realize how differently your mind is thinking." }, { "end_time": "24:45", "start_time": "24:40", "text": "So I keep giving this example of, basically, I'm not mint like chewing gum, minty chewing gum." }, { "end_time": "24:47", "start_time": "24:45", "text": "Do you know how your mouth feels all cool after you eat a mint?" }, { "end_time": "24:48", "start_time": "24:47", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "24:49", "start_time": "24:48", "text": "You kind of feel that with your brain." }, { "end_time": "24:51", "start_time": "24:49", "text": "You feel that with your mental state after you turn vegetarian." }, { "end_time": "25:02", "start_time": "24:52", "text": "So, Vivek, why because you're a big reader of Ayurveda, because you're also a big reader of western sciences, I want to ask you what Ayurveda says about vegetarianism versus non vegetarianism?" }, { "end_time": "25:08", "start_time": "25:03", "text": "So according to Iraved, like food is not just nutrition." }, { "end_time": "25:10", "start_time": "25:09", "text": "It is also energy." }, { "end_time": "25:13", "start_time": "25:11", "text": "It is also vibe that you are putting in." }, { "end_time": "25:14", "start_time": "25:13", "text": "It's also memories." }, { "end_time": "25:16", "start_time": "25:14", "text": "It is also memories." }, { "end_time": "25:16", "start_time": "25:16", "text": "Correct." }, { "end_time": "25:23", "start_time": "25:17", "text": "So if you are eating a non vegetarian food, you know what kind of vibes you are putting in." }, { "end_time": "25:26", "start_time": "25:23", "text": "There is anger, there is fear, there is violence." }, { "end_time": "25:30", "start_time": "25:26", "text": "If you put that kind of vibe within, you're basically eating stress, You're eating stress." }, { "end_time": "25:34", "start_time": "25:30", "text": "And that will come up in the form of mental agitation." }, { "end_time": "25:34", "start_time": "25:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:34", "start_time": "25:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:39", "start_time": "25:34", "text": "And you your life will be more about those kind of vibes." }, { "end_time": "25:40", "start_time": "25:39", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "25:44", "start_time": "25:40", "text": "So basically, I'll explain the biology what I understand of it." }, { "end_time": "25:55", "start_time": "25:45", "text": "Basically when you're cutting an animal, okay, when you're killing an animal, no living being wants to die like that is a natural instinct of any living being that I don't want to die, I want to save myself and I wanna procreate." }, { "end_time": "26:02", "start_time": "25:56", "text": "So the reaction of any living being when you're cutting it is that its cells become extremely acidic." }, { "end_time": "26:04", "start_time": "26:02", "text": "The acid levels in the whole body go up a lot." }, { "end_time": "26:05", "start_time": "26:05", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "26:13", "start_time": "26:05", "text": "So any meat even if you do like, even if you drain the blood, even if you're doing it ethically, it is an acidic substance." }, { "end_time": "26:16", "start_time": "26:13", "text": "Now your body is alkaline like naturally." }, { "end_time": "26:24", "start_time": "26:16", "text": "So when you are eating like that acidic thing, there is a conversion process like that whole like the meat goes from being acidic to becoming alkaline." }, { "end_time": "26:32", "start_time": "26:24", "text": "In the process, obviously, the biological aspect is a lot of heat is released and then that heat causes problems in your body, which in Ayurveda is called pitha?" }, { "end_time": "26:33", "start_time": "26:32", "text": "Pith." }, { "end_time": "26:33", "start_time": "26:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:35", "start_time": "26:33", "text": "The pith of your body gets increased." }, { "end_time": "26:35", "start_time": "26:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:35", "start_time": "26:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:37", "start_time": "26:35", "text": "And that heat actually leads to a lot of issues." }, { "end_time": "26:43", "start_time": "26:37", "text": "And that is why you can see people getting lot of body heating issues, pimples and all those." }, { "end_time": "26:46", "start_time": "26:43", "text": "Like, bad skin quality, bad hair quality, all that." }, { "end_time": "26:58", "start_time": "26:46", "text": "The other kind of spiritual aspect of it is that, basically, if you take off a hair from any human's body or if you take off your nail, your DNA is in that nail or that hair." }, { "end_time": "26:58", "start_time": "26:58", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "27:00", "start_time": "26:58", "text": "And DNA is a form of memory." }, { "end_time": "27:04", "start_time": "27:00", "text": "It's like basically all your genetics are stored in that little stand of DNA." }, { "end_time": "27:09", "start_time": "27:06", "text": "Your memory is also your actual memory which is your life experiences." }, { "end_time": "27:18", "start_time": "27:09", "text": "So an animal has gone through certain experiences in its life and all that gets stored in its mind, in its body, in its flesh in some possible form." }, { "end_time": "27:24", "start_time": "27:19", "text": "Now, if you are actually eating an animal, you're also eating all its memory." }, { "end_time": "27:29", "start_time": "27:24", "text": "Its emotional memory, its biological memory, and that gets stored inside you." }, { "end_time": "27:33", "start_time": "27:29", "text": "But also, the memory of its own death gets stored inside you, all that stress gets stored inside you." }, { "end_time": "27:35", "start_time": "27:33", "text": "That's what the eating stress means." }, { "end_time": "27:40", "start_time": "27:36", "text": "This is something I didn't understand at all when I was eating non veg because I used to enjoy eating non veg." }, { "end_time": "28:02", "start_time": "27:40", "text": "I love galotti kabaz and I love butter chicken and, you know, I still say that non vegetarian food is extremely tasty, but when you're living a vegetarian life and you're seeing the mental benefits of it, and then you also see the fact that you're not causing any pain to any living being, that is even more beneficial than a good tasting food." }, { "end_time": "28:03", "start_time": "28:02", "text": "So that's what I believe." }, { "end_time": "28:08", "start_time": "28:03", "text": "And even, like, some, some people might say that even plants are living." }, { "end_time": "28:09", "start_time": "28:08", "text": "You're killing them." }, { "end_time": "28:09", "start_time": "28:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:10", "start_time": "28:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:18", "start_time": "28:10", "text": "I would like to defer to this because if you're eating a fruit, even if you don't if you you don't have to kill the plant." }, { "end_time": "28:19", "start_time": "28:18", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:19", "start_time": "28:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:19", "start_time": "28:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:22", "start_time": "28:19", "text": "You have to just pluck the fruit or it will anyway fall down." }, { "end_time": "28:22", "start_time": "28:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:24", "start_time": "28:22", "text": "Similarly with a vegetable." }, { "end_time": "28:24", "start_time": "28:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:28", "start_time": "28:24", "text": "Of course, there are certain vegetables you which you have to pull from the ground." }, { "end_time": "28:37", "start_time": "28:28", "text": "So the you have to be little sensible and see the if you can compare the violence, it's too less when it comes to vegetarian food." }, { "end_time": "28:42", "start_time": "28:37", "text": "Also, there do you believe this whole thing that there are lower forms of life and higher forms of life?" }, { "end_time": "28:47", "start_time": "28:42", "text": "Like, for example, what separates a human from an animal is that we can think, we can be spiritual." }, { "end_time": "28:48", "start_time": "28:47", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "28:50", "start_time": "28:48", "text": "You know, we can criticize, we can question things." }, { "end_time": "28:53", "start_time": "28:51", "text": "A dog can't do all the a dog can't be spiritual." }, { "end_time": "28:56", "start_time": "28:53", "text": "A dog can't, like, deeply question things, think of philosophy." }, { "end_time": "29:00", "start_time": "28:57", "text": "So we are definitely more advanced than dogs." }, { "end_time": "29:04", "start_time": "29:00", "text": "A mammal like a dog is much more advanced than say an insect, which doesn't think spiritually." }, { "end_time": "29:10", "start_time": "29:05", "text": "Similarly, an insect is way more advanced than say a plant, which doesn't really have a thought process." }, { "end_time": "29:17", "start_time": "29:11", "text": "So if you are eating a lower form of life and not causing pain to that lower form of life, it's a much more beneficial state to be in." }, { "end_time": "29:17", "start_time": "29:17", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "29:20", "start_time": "29:17", "text": "But this is a concept you won't understand till you become vegetarian." }, { "end_time": "29:24", "start_time": "29:21", "text": "And again, quitting non veg is not for everyone." }, { "end_time": "29:27", "start_time": "29:25", "text": "If you aren't ready for it, don't do it." }, { "end_time": "29:29", "start_time": "29:27", "text": "There's no, like, pressure on you." }, { "end_time": "29:31", "start_time": "29:29", "text": "This is just what Vivek Bai and me have, like, experienced in our life." }, { "end_time": "29:32", "start_time": "29:31", "text": "That's why we're putting it out there." }, { "end_time": "29:37", "start_time": "29:33", "text": "The day you're supposed to become vegetarian, your body will request you from inside, just the way it happened to us." }, { "end_time": "30:06", "start_time": "29:37", "text": "Like, no one actually, a lot of people told me that vegetarian bun bun bun you are a very smart person and that's visible in your content, I want to ask you that all these changes in your life that you are bringing about, how is it helping your career?" }, { "end_time": "30:15", "start_time": "30:06", "text": "Because I know it is, but can you actually break it down for the audience because everyone sees fit tuba videos with all the resource and beautifully shot videos and all that." }, { "end_time": "30:18", "start_time": "30:15", "text": "But all these changes, what has it done to your mental state?" }, { "end_time": "30:20", "start_time": "30:18", "text": "Like, are you able to think more clearly?" }, { "end_time": "30:21", "start_time": "30:20", "text": "Are you more creative?" }, { "end_time": "30:27", "start_time": "30:23", "text": "So I think I've become a little more simple person." }, { "end_time": "30:28", "start_time": "30:27", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "30:30", "start_time": "30:28", "text": "Like, my lifestyle has become very simple." }, { "end_time": "30:32", "start_time": "30:31", "text": "I drive in Alto." }, { "end_time": "30:34", "start_time": "30:33", "text": "I sit on the floor and eat." }, { "end_time": "30:36", "start_time": "30:34", "text": "I love home cooked food." }, { "end_time": "30:38", "start_time": "30:37", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "30:39", "start_time": "30:38", "text": "So that's how it is for me." }, { "end_time": "30:45", "start_time": "30:39", "text": "Like, I personally do not feel that I have to amp up my lifestyle somehow." }, { "end_time": "30:52", "start_time": "30:46", "text": "But yes, there are like certain aspects to my job, for example, money, fame, and all those things." }, { "end_time": "31:12", "start_time": "30:52", "text": "And that I feel is for the sustainability of the model that I have created to provide people, information which is reliable, which is authentic, which can actually make their lives change, which can actually be acted upon." }, { "end_time": "31:13", "start_time": "31:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:13", "start_time": "31:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:20", "start_time": "31:13", "text": "So that's my goal is that has always been my goal, and I think even in the future, that will be my goal." }, { "end_time": "31:27", "start_time": "31:21", "text": "And money, these are outcomes of the value that you are adding to the people." }, { "end_time": "31:30", "start_time": "31:27", "text": "And I feel that somehow it will come back to you." }, { "end_time": "31:49", "start_time": "31:31", "text": "So maybe 5 years down the line, if if I'm able to sustain this thing, and I, if I'm able to maintain the content that I'm making, and if, even if somebody comes to me and tells me that your video has helped me change my lifestyle, I I'm so happy with that." }, { "end_time": "32:01", "start_time": "31:52", "text": "So by my final question to you is that you're doing all this amazing work and fit you, but when you're dying, what would you like to be remembered as?" }, { "end_time": "32:11", "start_time": "32:01", "text": "So when I die, like, I just want to be remembered as somebody who tried to make healthy lifestyle easier." }, { "end_time": "32:17", "start_time": "32:12", "text": "And because there is so much information, people get confused what to do and what not to do." }, { "end_time": "32:19", "start_time": "32:17", "text": "So maybe I might be helpful in that." }, { "end_time": "32:22", "start_time": "32:20", "text": "Otherwise, I want them to be so happy." }, { "end_time": "32:32", "start_time": "32:22", "text": "Even if they don't remember me, it's fine with me, but they should remain healthy, and they should actually understand that health is much more than any other asset that you have." }, { "end_time": "32:33", "start_time": "32:32", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "32:39", "start_time": "32:33", "text": "Do you think that that is the purpose of your life, like to spread information about something like health?" }, { "end_time": "32:39", "start_time": "32:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:47", "start_time": "32:40", "text": "Actually, I think so because whatever is happening on Fitiva, I don't think it is happening because of me." }, { "end_time": "32:54", "start_time": "32:48", "text": "I think there is some power which is making which has made me a medium Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:55", "start_time": "32:54", "text": "To make this happen." }, { "end_time": "32:55", "start_time": "32:55", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "33:00", "start_time": "32:56", "text": "Like, they say that the world's best creativity is never your own." }, { "end_time": "33:04", "start_time": "33:00", "text": "You are given it, and then you are just putting it out, which is what I also strongly believe." }, { "end_time": "33:08", "start_time": "33:05", "text": "The scripts we write sometimes when I'm sure this happens to you also." }, { "end_time": "33:10", "start_time": "33:08", "text": "When I'm writing a script, script." }, { "end_time": "33:13", "start_time": "33:11", "text": "You know, I don't know but." }, { "end_time": "33:20", "start_time": "33:14", "text": "Sometimes this idea comes in, and that video you put in and it's been liked by so many people." }, { "end_time": "33:21", "start_time": "33:20", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "33:21", "start_time": "33:21", "text": "Crazy." }, { "end_time": "33:23", "start_time": "33:22", "text": "Anyway, Vivek Bhai, it was great having you." }, { "end_time": "33:24", "start_time": "33:23", "text": "So much Bhai." }, { "end_time": "33:25", "start_time": "33:24", "text": "I hope you had fun." }, { "end_time": "33:26", "start_time": "33:25", "text": "So much fun." }, { "end_time": "33:26", "start_time": "33:26", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "33:29", "start_time": "33:26", "text": "We're gonna do a lot more podcast with you going forward." }, { "end_time": "33:34", "start_time": "33:29", "text": "I hope you guys had fun about this nofap and vegetarianism and spirituality." }, { "end_time": "33:35", "start_time": "33:34", "text": "And obviously, Vivek Bhai, you." }, { "end_time": "33:37", "start_time": "33:35", "text": "I'm gonna link his channel down below." }, { "end_time": "33:38", "start_time": "33:37", "text": "His handle's down below." }, { "end_time": "33:38", "start_time": "33:38", "text": "Make sure you follow." }, { "end_time": "33:39", "start_time": "33:38", "text": "Make sure you subscribe." }, { "end_time": "33:41", "start_time": "33:40", "text": "And until next time, guys." }, { "end_time": "33:44", "start_time": "33:41", "text": "From Vivek Bhai, Ranveer, and the whole team." }, { "end_time": "33:45", "start_time": "33:44", "text": "We'll see you later." } ] }

[ { "content": "**Task Description:** \nYou are provided with a YouTube video transcript in JSON format, where each entry is synchronized with its respective timestamp. This transcript contains the spoken text along with its start and end times. Your objective is to generate high-quality, chapter-wise segments that accurately represent key points or transitions within the video.\n\n**Transcript JSON Format:** \nThe transcript is formatted as a list of dictionaries, where each dictionary represents a spoken sentence, including its text and corresponding start and end times.\n\n**Example Transcript:** \n```json\n[\n {\n \"text\": \"The narrative in the public eye is that you left working with the Modi government because your opinions weren't heard.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:07\"\n },\n {\n \"text\": \"I want to know your side of the story.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:08\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:10\"\n },\n ...\n]\n```\n\n**Your Task:** \nUsing the given transcript, generate a JSON output that breaks down the video into meaningful chapters. Each chapter should encapsulate a key segment of the video and be accompanied by a concise, informative title that reflects the essence of that segment.\n\n**Chapter JSON Format:** \nThe output should follow this structure:\n```json\n{\n \"chapters\": [\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"title\": \"Introduction and Opening Remarks\"\n },\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:07\",\n \"title\": \"Discussing the Exit from Modi Government\"\n },\n ...\n ]\n}\n```\n\n**Requirements:** \n1. **Identify Key Segments:** Extract significant portions of the transcript that represent shifts in topic, important discussions, or transitions in conversation.\n2. **Craft Informative Titles:** Each chapter title should be clear, engaging, and directly related to the content covered in that segment.\n3. **Preserve Time Stamps:** Ensure that each chapter's `start_time` corresponds to the first instance of a key topic or segment in the transcript.\n4. **Conciseness is Key:** While titles should be descriptive, avoid making them overly lengthy. Aim for a balance between informativeness and brevity.", "role": "system" }, { "content": "{'transcripts': array([{'end_time': '0:11', 'start_time': '0:00', 'text': \"Welcome to another episode of monkey chat, intelligent conversations only ICO, featuring Vivek Mittal aka Fit Tuber, one of India's top health and fitness YouTubers.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:18', 'start_time': '0:11', 'text': 'The specialty about this gorgeous Insan is that he uses Ayurved to back up all his fitness and health videos.'},\n {'end_time': '0:21', 'start_time': '0:19', 'text': \"In today's video, we're having some real talk.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:30', 'start_time': '0:21', 'text': \"We're talking about sex, masturbation, porn addiction, vegetarian food versus non vegetarian food, and a lot more gyan from the world of spirituality and Ayurved.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:33', 'start_time': '0:30', 'text': 'Try listening to the entire conversation, it will be worth your time.'},\n {'end_time': '0:42', 'start_time': '0:33', 'text': \"You'll learn a lot and you'll basically have fun because you'll realize that even health and fitness YouTubers think in the same ways that you think and enjoy the show.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:44', 'start_time': '0:43', 'text': \"What's good, you guys?\"},\n {'end_time': '0:53', 'start_time': '0:44', 'text': 'Welcome to another episode of monkey chat with my personal favorite YouTuber in India, Vivek Mittalbhai from FitTuber, the most knowledgeable YouTuber you will come across.'},\n {'end_time': '0:58', 'start_time': '0:54', 'text': 'By our brands for lack of a better word.'},\n {'end_time': '1:00', 'start_time': '0:58', 'text': 'But you also spread a lot of knowledge.'},\n {'end_time': '1:09', 'start_time': '1:00', 'text': \"Today's podcast is going to be about nofap, about vegetarianism, about, spirituality, about your story, obviously.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:11', 'start_time': '1:10', 'text': 'By thank you firstly for being on the podcast.'},\n {'end_time': '1:12', 'start_time': '1:11', 'text': 'Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '1:14', 'start_time': '1:12', 'text': \"It's my pleasure to be on beer biceps.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:15', 'start_time': '1:14', 'text': \"Really, I'm humbled.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:18', 'start_time': '1:15', 'text': \"And it's crazy that this is your first ever collaboration with another YouTube.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:22', 'start_time': '1:18', 'text': 'So I am honored that you selected beer biceps as your first collaboration.'},\n {'end_time': '1:22', 'start_time': '1:22', 'text': 'Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '1:23', 'start_time': '1:22', 'text': \"It's my pleasure.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:30', 'start_time': '1:24', 'text': 'Bro, I want to ask you firstly, what is the intention with Fit Tuber?'},\n {'end_time': '1:36', 'start_time': '1:30', 'text': \"Because, you know, you're doing all these videos which are, like, 10 best shampoos in India, 10 best, say, soaps in India.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:39', 'start_time': '1:36', 'text': 'And then you also talk about the worst products among those.'},\n {'end_time': '1:40', 'start_time': '1:39', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '1:43', 'start_time': '1:40', 'text': \"And I'll tell you a cute story about how I came to know Fit Tuber.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:47', 'start_time': '1:44', 'text': 'Basically, I think Viraj is working on with you on certain projects.'},\n {'end_time': '1:54', 'start_time': '1:47', 'text': 'And around the same time, one of the brands that you spoke about in your video, you actually spoke some negative stuff about that brand, which was honest.'},\n {'end_time': '1:56', 'start_time': '1:54', 'text': 'Like, you gave an honest consumer feedback, which is fine.'},\n {'end_time': '2:02', 'start_time': '1:56', 'text': \"I think it's a very fair argument, but that brand actually took legal action against you.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:02', 'start_time': '2:02', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '2:04', 'start_time': '2:02', 'text': 'So what had happened there?'},\n {'end_time': '2:05', 'start_time': '2:04', 'text': 'Like, what is this?'},\n {'end_time': '2:12', 'start_time': '2:06', 'text': 'So basically, I had made this video, in which I had talked about a certain brand.'},\n {'end_time': '2:21', 'start_time': '2:13', 'text': 'And then, of course, I had given my, honest opinion, and whatever I had said in that video, I very much stand to that even today.'},\n {'end_time': '2:22', 'start_time': '2:22', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '2:25', 'start_time': '2:22', 'text': 'But then what happened, a notice came to me.'},\n {'end_time': '2:26', 'start_time': '2:25', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '2:29', 'start_time': '2:26', 'text': 'And, I did not pay heed to that notice.'},\n {'end_time': '2:30', 'start_time': '2:29', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '2:32', 'start_time': '2:30', 'text': 'That that was a mistake, I believe.'},\n {'end_time': '2:40', 'start_time': '2:32', 'text': 'And then they had sent me a notice that you have to you have to remove this content, you have to do this, otherwise, you will be taken to the court.'},\n {'end_time': '2:43', 'start_time': '2:41', 'text': 'And and actually that happened.'},\n {'end_time': '2:44', 'start_time': '2:44', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '2:51', 'start_time': '2:45', 'text': 'I was like, summoned by the courts, and then there in, it was in Bombay High Court.'},\n {'end_time': '2:52', 'start_time': '2:51', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '2:55', 'start_time': '2:52', 'text': 'You used to actually live in Kakinarana, and then you fly down to Bombay.'},\n {'end_time': '2:55', 'start_time': '2:55', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '3:00', 'start_time': '2:55', 'text': 'I had to fly down to Bombay, and then it was very much new to me.'},\n {'end_time': '3:12', 'start_time': '3:00', 'text': 'I had to arrange a lawyer, and when I was called in the court there, I had to speak about what happened, but I was, like, shocked to see, like, they had come with, like, 20 lawyers.'},\n {'end_time': '3:14', 'start_time': '3:12', 'text': 'They had their own own team.'},\n {'end_time': '3:20', 'start_time': '3:14', 'text': 'They had a arguing counsel, and in 30 seconds, they just blew me up.'},\n {'end_time': '3:20', 'start_time': '3:20', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '3:28', 'start_time': '3:21', 'text': 'And then it then I guess, But but on the product, genuinely, I remember the brand.'},\n {'end_time': '3:29', 'start_time': '3:28', 'text': 'I remember the product.'},\n {'end_time': '3:35', 'start_time': '3:29', 'text': \"And they had even come to us with a brand deal, but this is what I think the audience doesn't see about the YouTube world.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:39', 'start_time': '3:35', 'text': \"It's very intense working with brands, you know, all this stuff can happen.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:47', 'start_time': '3:39', 'text': \"But I am very, very choosy and I I'm very cautious about the fact that what I am promoting on my channel Because you're very honest with your audience.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:51', 'start_time': '3:47', 'text': \"I think that's what the whole fit to your audience has been built on by.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:51', 'start_time': '3:51', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '3:53', 'start_time': '3:51', 'text': 'Audience is the key for me.'},\n {'end_time': '3:56', 'start_time': '3:53', 'text': 'Like, I I cannot, like, cheat them.'},\n {'end_time': '3:57', 'start_time': '3:56', 'text': 'Cheat them anyway.'},\n {'end_time': '4:07', 'start_time': '3:57', 'text': \"There are certain people who I look at in the YouTube game who I say 30, 40, 50 years from now, this person will still be there and still be making content and be killing it, and you're one of those people.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:08', 'start_time': '4:07', 'text': 'Thank you so much.'},\n {'end_time': '4:11', 'start_time': '4:08', 'text': \"I don't think I'm I deserve so much of it, but I'm humbled really.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:11', 'start_time': '4:11', 'text': 'Mainly.'},\n {'end_time': '4:12', 'start_time': '4:11', 'text': 'Genuinely.'},\n {'end_time': '4:20', 'start_time': '4:13', 'text': \"The other thing I really wanna talk to you about is this side of you that a lot of people don't know about and this is actually something you and me have a lot in common.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:24', 'start_time': '4:21', 'text': 'We are both non vegetarians who have turned vegetarian.'},\n {'end_time': '4:25', 'start_time': '4:24', 'text': 'We both follow NoFap.'},\n {'end_time': '4:27', 'start_time': '4:25', 'text': \"We're both deeply into spirituality.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:30', 'start_time': '4:28', 'text': \"It's something we also don't talk about so much.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:32', 'start_time': '4:30', 'text': \"I mean, you don't talk about so much.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:34', 'start_time': '4:32', 'text': 'I keep, like, talking about it all the time.'},\n {'end_time': '4:38', 'start_time': '4:34', 'text': 'But I wanna start off on this whole NoFap thing, Mai.'},\n {'end_time': '4:43', 'start_time': '4:38', 'text': 'This is something a lot of teenage guys, especially, are very intrigued by young guys.'},\n {'end_time': '4:46', 'start_time': '4:43', 'text': 'I think our audience is primarily young and teenage guys only.'},\n {'end_time': '4:49', 'start_time': '4:46', 'text': \"What's your whole situation with nofap?\"},\n {'end_time': '4:50', 'start_time': '4:49', 'text': 'How did you get into it?'},\n {'end_time': '4:52', 'start_time': '4:50', 'text': 'And, like, you know, I you are following it right now.'},\n {'end_time': '4:52', 'start_time': '4:52', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '4:53', 'start_time': '4:52', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '4:53', 'start_time': '4:53', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '5:01', 'start_time': '4:53', 'text': 'First of all, I did not I when I came across this, that there is something like no fap and all, I was like, why?'},\n {'end_time': '5:02', 'start_time': '5:01', 'text': 'What is the need?'},\n {'end_time': '5:04', 'start_time': '5:02', 'text': 'I mean, vicky donor dehghee toh sochha ragi.'},\n {'end_time': '5:07', 'start_time': '5:04', 'text': \"It's not natural or I'm a biological being.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:09', 'start_time': '5:07', 'text': \"There are urges coming up, so it's not natural.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:26', 'start_time': '5:10', 'text': 'But then I was like, this happened, I was reading a biography about Swami Vivekananda, and he had said this, he had quoted this line that if you do not ejaculate for like 12 years, something else will happen to you.'},\n {'end_time': '5:33', 'start_time': '5:26', 'text': 'You may call it enlightenment, you may call it like you just cannot explain what will happen and your life will change.'},\n {'end_time': '5:36', 'start_time': '5:33', 'text': 'That is what he had told and this intrigued me.'},\n {'end_time': '5:38', 'start_time': '5:36', 'text': 'I was like, okay.'},\n {'end_time': '6:07', 'start_time': '5:38', 'text': 'Then I went deep into this, I was like, I started reading about it, and there were like so many benefits mentioned even in, Sushruta Samhita, there has been, it has been talked about like how this, keeping this vital fluid in your body can like, have you, yeah, have you achieved the optimal health benefits, your mental clarity will improve, and if you are someone who is on a spiritual path, your growth will increase like many folds.'},\n {'end_time': '6:07', 'start_time': '6:07', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '6:07', 'start_time': '6:07', 'text': '100%.'},\n {'end_time': '6:18', 'start_time': '6:08', 'text': \"So, the even the yoga school I follow, they promote, I mean, they don't say they say you should retain your semen because it's something called creative energy.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:19', 'start_time': '6:18', 'text': 'Creative energy.'},\n {'end_time': '6:22', 'start_time': '6:19', 'text': \"So that's the other word in the world of yoga.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:25', 'start_time': '6:22', 'text': 'They call semen or sexual energy creative energy.'},\n {'end_time': '6:26', 'start_time': '6:25', 'text': 'And they also say this for women.'},\n {'end_time': '6:29', 'start_time': '6:26', 'text': 'Like, there is a version of nofap for women as well.'},\n {'end_time': '6:36', 'start_time': '6:29', 'text': 'And the long term aspect of retaining your creative energy is that you can focus much more easily in your meditations.'},\n {'end_time': '6:44', 'start_time': '6:36', 'text': \"So for a beginner meditator, we always say that don't try focusing on anything because it becomes difficult for that person to, you know, start a meditation habit.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:54', 'start_time': '6:44', 'text': 'So if you are a beginner of your in your first two years of meditation, you should just kind of get into a habit of meditation, but once you actually enter this whole advanced meditation game, it does become about focus.'},\n {'end_time': '7:01', 'start_time': '6:54', 'text': 'It becomes on focusing on certain body parts or focusing on certain breathing patterns or, you know, parts of your body.'},\n {'end_time': '7:03', 'start_time': '7:01', 'text': 'So, all parts of your mind.'},\n {'end_time': '7:15', 'start_time': '7:04', 'text': \"And, if you are actually able to retain your semen, if you don't basically masturbate, and if you, you know, abstain from sex, it really affects your meditations heavily in a good way.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:15', 'start_time': '7:15', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '7:20', 'start_time': '7:16', 'text': \"Maheem Singha, there's one more thing both you and me believe in which is that NoFap is not for everyone also.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:20', 'start_time': '7:20', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '7:21', 'start_time': '7:20', 'text': 'Of course.'},\n {'end_time': '7:21', 'start_time': '7:21', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '7:29', 'start_time': '7:21', 'text': \"So, there's a lot of people against this concept of NoFap because they just kind of haven't experienced that whole life.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:36', 'start_time': '7:29', 'text': \"I think if if somebody is, like, intrigued by NoFap, or for example, if you're someone who is skeptic about NoFap Yeah.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:44', 'start_time': '7:36', 'text': 'I would just tell them that you try it for like 1 week, 30 days, or whenever how much is it possible for you.'},\n {'end_time': '7:47', 'start_time': '7:44', 'text': 'You just try it, and you will see the benefits coming in.'},\n {'end_time': '8:09', 'start_time': '7:47', 'text': 'You will experience like better physical health, Starting mein, such mein mein kungabod mushkilai.'},\n {'end_time': '8:11', 'start_time': '8:09', 'text': \"It's like really difficult in the beginning.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:15', 'start_time': '8:11', 'text': 'I think you should just, keep it as a challenge for 7 7 to 10 days.'},\n {'end_time': '8:21', 'start_time': '8:15', 'text': \"Because I think when you keep on masturbating too much, then it's like a compulsion loop.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:21', 'start_time': '8:21', 'text': '100%.'},\n {'end_time': '8:27', 'start_time': '8:21', 'text': 'Even if your body is not looking for it, your mind is just constantly telling you.'},\n {'end_time': '8:27', 'start_time': '8:27', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '8:31', 'start_time': '8:27', 'text': 'And then then there is no difference between a cocaine addict and a masturbation.'},\n {'end_time': '8:32', 'start_time': '8:32', 'text': '100 100%.'},\n {'end_time': '8:34', 'start_time': '8:32', 'text': \"Because then it's all about dopamine release only.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:35', 'start_time': '8:35', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '8:35', 'start_time': '8:35', 'text': 'Exactly.'},\n {'end_time': '8:40', 'start_time': '8:35', 'text': 'I think, masturbation, if you are a 11, 12 year old or a basically, start.'},\n {'end_time': '8:41', 'start_time': '8:41', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '8:46', 'start_time': '8:41', 'text': 'So, you know, it becomes like a body.'},\n {'end_time': '8:47', 'start_time': '8:46', 'text': 'You know, I can do this.'},\n {'end_time': '8:58', 'start_time': '8:47', 'text': \"And then over time you start, kind of associating your masturbation with, you know, that's generally how a young guy thinks.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:03', 'start_time': '8:58', 'text': 'And over time it becomes one of those things where you want your dopamine from your masturbation.'},\n {'end_time': '9:09', 'start_time': '9:03', 'text': 'So one aspect of Nofap is kicking out of that mentality, understanding why you are masturbating so much.'},\n {'end_time': '9:12', 'start_time': '9:09', 'text': 'And 2, understanding triggers.'},\n {'end_time': '9:20', 'start_time': '9:13', 'text': \"So basically, if you have a addiction, like whether it is cigarettes, whether it is alcohol, there's always some trigger.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:21', 'start_time': '9:20', 'text': 'So engineer.'},\n {'end_time': '9:24', 'start_time': '9:22', 'text': 'Engineering college smokers.'},\n {'end_time': '9:25', 'start_time': '9:24', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '9:28', 'start_time': '9:27', 'text': 'Engineering college smoking.'},\n {'end_time': '9:49', 'start_time': '9:45', 'text': \"People see one guy and they get a trigger and that's why they feel, maybe smoke.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:52', 'start_time': '9:49', 'text': \"If you're hard then boy trigger, boy friend, go be smoke.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:53', 'start_time': '9:52', 'text': 'Maybe smoke.'},\n {'end_time': '9:54', 'start_time': '9:54', 'text': 'Masturbation.'},\n {'end_time': '10:27', 'start_time': '10:13', 'text': \"Phone into the bathroom with them always, and I know a lot of people who've done NoFap successfully or basically initially in that first 7, 8 days, they stop taking their phone into the bathroom because they realize that's the trigger and they just go in and do their bathroom work like they have a bathroom.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:28', 'start_time': '10:27', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '10:33', 'start_time': '10:28', 'text': 'And I also feel that people are unaware, like, why they should preserve this semen.'},\n {'end_time': '10:33', 'start_time': '10:33', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '10:33', 'start_time': '10:33', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '10:37', 'start_time': '10:33', 'text': \"Like, why even women it's valid for women as well.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:39', 'start_time': '10:37', 'text': 'Like, why they should preserve the Sexual energy.'},\n {'end_time': '10:40', 'start_time': '10:39', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '10:48', 'start_time': '10:40', 'text': 'So in Ayurveda, it has been very clearly mentioned that there are certain fluids in the body which should remain and certain which should go out.'},\n {'end_time': '10:52', 'start_time': '10:48', 'text': 'For example, blood, semen, these should remain in your body.'},\n {'end_time': '10:54', 'start_time': '10:52', 'text': 'You should, make them retained.'},\n {'end_time': '10:59', 'start_time': '10:55', 'text': 'And then there are certain fluids, for example, stool, urine, they should go out.'},\n {'end_time': '11:05', 'start_time': '10:59', 'text': 'And especially semen, like like whenever we eat some food, so it goes through 7 stages.'},\n {'end_time': '11:09', 'start_time': '11:06', 'text': 'And after the the last and the final stage is semen.'},\n {'end_time': '11:12', 'start_time': '11:09', 'text': 'And each stage takes about 5 days.'},\n {'end_time': '11:18', 'start_time': '11:12', 'text': \"So it's like whatever you are eating today, after 35 days, semen out of that will be produced.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:18', 'start_time': '11:18', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '11:19', 'start_time': '11:18', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '11:19', 'start_time': '11:19', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '11:22', 'start_time': '11:19', 'text': \"So it basically it's a very difficult substance for your body to produce.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:23', 'start_time': '11:22', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '11:30', 'start_time': '11:23', 'text': \"And that semen, if you retain it, it moves upwards in the form of Ojas, as you've rightly said, creative energy.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:30', 'start_time': '11:30', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '11:33', 'start_time': '11:30', 'text': 'So that nourishes your cells, your mind, everything.'},\n {'end_time': '11:34', 'start_time': '11:33', 'text': 'By okay.'},\n {'end_time': '11:37', 'start_time': '11:34', 'text': 'The yogic and Ayurvedic concept of semen is key.'},\n {'end_time': '11:41', 'start_time': '11:37', 'text': 'You can channelize it and create it into a different kind of energy in your body.'},\n {'end_time': '11:48', 'start_time': '11:41', 'text': 'But is the biology behind this concept that your actual, semen liquid, does it get absorbed by the cell walls or something?'},\n {'end_time': '11:49', 'start_time': '11:48', 'text': 'Like, what do you think?'},\n {'end_time': '11:51', 'start_time': '11:49', 'text': 'Have you do you have any knowledge about this?'},\n {'end_time': '11:51', 'start_time': '11:51', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '12:00', 'start_time': '11:51', 'text': 'So, there was this research done by like 3 scientists, and they had they just wanted to see like what semen constitutes.'},\n {'end_time': '12:07', 'start_time': '12:00', 'text': 'They they they found that 90% it of it was water, and 10% of it was nutrients.'},\n {'end_time': '12:15', 'start_time': '12:08', 'text': 'And those were the nutrients which included most of the minerals, cholesterol, and other minerals, which are foods for the brain.'},\n {'end_time': '12:19', 'start_time': '12:15', 'text': \"Like, madam, it's basically like you're putting petrol into your brain.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:19', 'start_time': '12:19', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '12:30', 'start_time': '12:19', 'text': \"It's like moves, like, according to I'm not sure how much forward modern science has gone into it, but Ayurveda is very clear about the fact that it moves upwards and nourishes your cells Yeah.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:30', 'start_time': '12:30', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '12:32', 'start_time': '12:30', 'text': 'Brain and the overall body.'},\n {'end_time': '12:32', 'start_time': '12:32', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '12:39', 'start_time': '12:32', 'text': 'In fact, in even in vices, there are certain kinds of pranayams, breathing exercises through which, you can actually change the flow of semen.'},\n {'end_time': '12:50', 'start_time': '12:39', 'text': \"So I've learnt a pranayam like this, we're not allowed to talk about this kind of pranayama on a public platform, but there are actually techniques in yoga which allow you to change the direction of semen's flow.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:56', 'start_time': '12:51', 'text': \"That's how I actually got into this whole NoFap movement because even I used to be one of those guys who used to say that.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:59', 'start_time': '12:57', 'text': \"But it's a start up.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:01', 'start_time': '12:59', 'text': \"I mean, it's very much natural.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:01', 'start_time': '13:01', 'text': 'Normal.'},\n {'end_time': '13:04', 'start_time': '13:04', 'text': 'Masturbation.'},\n {'end_time': '13:10', 'start_time': '13:06', 'text': \"Like there's no guy watching this, hearing this who's not masturbated.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:10', 'start_time': '13:10', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '13:13', 'start_time': '13:10', 'text': 'So it becomes that normies a lot because of western culture.'},\n {'end_time': '13:18', 'start_time': '13:13', 'text': 'But western culture talks about many things, like, which may not be correct for you.'},\n {'end_time': '13:24', 'start_time': '13:18', 'text': 'For example, something like being polyamorous, having multiple sexual partners, you know, things like that.'},\n {'end_time': '13:24', 'start_time': '13:24', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '13:29', 'start_time': '13:25', 'text': \"So you can't just say, it might be correct.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:31', 'start_time': '13:29', 'text': \"It's it doesn't work like that, I feel.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:35', 'start_time': '13:31', 'text': 'And again, what you said about Ayurveda talking about things, but Western science is not.'},\n {'end_time': '13:40', 'start_time': '13:35', 'text': 'Western science is going to discover 20,000,000 things in the next 20 years of science.'},\n {'end_time': '13:41', 'start_time': '13:40', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '13:42', 'start_time': '13:41', 'text': 'They are going ahead with this.'},\n {'end_time': '13:48', 'start_time': '13:43', 'text': 'And according to modern science as well, sure, they say that masturbation is very much normal.'},\n {'end_time': '13:55', 'start_time': '13:48', 'text': \"Like, we are biological beings, so it's natural urges which come due to hormonal changes after a certain age.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:04', 'start_time': '13:55', 'text': 'But even they warn on excessive masturbation because you are getting into a loop, and you are like your whole life is revolving around masturbation.'},\n {'end_time': '14:10', 'start_time': '14:04', 'text': 'Like sometimes I get messages, people telling me that we are masturbating 5 to 6 times every day.'},\n {'end_time': '14:14', 'start_time': '14:10', 'text': 'So so we have to understand like how much time they are wasting on this.'},\n {'end_time': '14:19', 'start_time': '14:15', 'text': \"Because it's not just that you have masturbated, like before that you have might have watched something.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:24', 'start_time': '14:19', 'text': 'So every time like your whole productivity is going on into that only.'},\n {'end_time': '14:35', 'start_time': '14:24', 'text': 'And then there have been certain side effects of modern science talks about certain side effects like there is a loss of real sexual sensitivity in women especially.'},\n {'end_time': '14:35', 'start_time': '14:35', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '14:35', 'start_time': '14:35', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '14:37', 'start_time': '14:35', 'text': \"Basically, so I think I've read about this.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:46', 'start_time': '14:37', 'text': \"It's that, if women masturbate often, like, very often, like, every day, it's difficult for them to orgasm in actual sexual intercourse.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:47', 'start_time': '14:46', 'text': \"That's what I mean.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:57', 'start_time': '14:47', 'text': 'So the whole sex life for both the sexual partners becomes a little difficult because for a lot of guys who are having sex, sex for guys a lot of times is about pleasuring the girl.'},\n {'end_time': '14:58', 'start_time': '14:57', 'text': 'Lot of guys think like that.'},\n {'end_time': '15:07', 'start_time': '14:58', 'text': \"First I want to pleasure the girl, but if the girl herself is not, like, orgasming then it it kind of, you know, affects the guy's sexual life also badly.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:16', 'start_time': '15:08', 'text': 'In saying that it works in the reverse way also where, because of masturbating, you get very used to your hand on, like, a penis.'},\n {'end_time': '15:22', 'start_time': '15:17', 'text': 'So when you actually go through sex, it feels very different from having that hand on your penis always.'},\n {'end_time': '15:36', 'start_time': '15:23', 'text': 'So, a lot of guys, and I know this from engineering college, a lot of my friends, they could last for very long in bed, like, as in they could, like, you know, be having sex for very long, but they never ejaculated because they were so used to masturbating.'},\n {'end_time': '15:43', 'start_time': '15:36', 'text': \"And after having intercourse, then they would go and, like, masturbate, which is like you're kind of spoiling the vibe for your partner also.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:44', 'start_time': '15:43', 'text': \"Actually, that's true.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:52', 'start_time': '15:44', 'text': \"Like, when you masturbate, like, excessively too much, like, almost every day you're doing it 3, 4 times, then you do not enjoy the real sex.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:00', 'start_time': '15:52', 'text': \"Actually, if you are getting addicted to anything, if that's that thing is becoming your life is revolving around masturbation Yeah.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:01', 'start_time': '16:00', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '16:02', 'start_time': '16:01', 'text': 'Then you are in a mess, I guess.'},\n {'end_time': '16:02', 'start_time': '16:02', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '16:02', 'start_time': '16:02', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '16:03', 'start_time': '16:02', 'text': '100%.'},\n {'end_time': '16:06', 'start_time': '16:04', 'text': \"What's your take on porn generally?\"},\n {'end_time': '16:14', 'start_time': '16:06', 'text': \"Like, I mean, porn is something I've run away from for the same reason, like, that it again, it's an addiction at the end of the day.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:19', 'start_time': '16:15', 'text': \"It's also one of those things that it's very normalized because all of us have grown up watching porn.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:27', 'start_time': '16:23', 'text': 'But porn also it gives you a wrong idea of what sex is.'},\n {'end_time': '16:38', 'start_time': '16:27', 'text': 'Sometimes porn is very violent, it also there was this concept I read that if you watch a lot of porn you basically start getting excited about sex as a third person thing.'},\n {'end_time': '16:39', 'start_time': '16:38', 'text': 'What happened?'},\n {'end_time': '16:48', 'start_time': '16:39', 'text': \"Because you are watching people having sex on your screen and that's what you are ejaculating to your brain dopamine release gets associated with the 3rd person view.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:51', 'start_time': '16:49', 'text': \"I'm seeing 2 people having sex and that's what I'm enjoying.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:58', 'start_time': '16:51', 'text': \"So if you actually end up having sex in real life then, you know, you will you won't enjoy it as well because you'll be like, wait, this is a first person view.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:05', 'start_time': '16:58', 'text': \"It's like playing, say, Fortnite versus playing, you know, Call of Duty where it's 1st person versus 3rd person.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:06', 'start_time': '17:05', 'text': 'This is a bad example.'},\n {'end_time': '17:12', 'start_time': '17:06', 'text': 'But So, according to me, like, as you said, pawn is something which is not real.'},\n {'end_time': '17:20', 'start_time': '17:12', 'text': 'Like, whatever, like, you have been, if we see if whatever pawn you see, they will just show things just to make it good.'},\n {'end_time': '17:22', 'start_time': '17:21', 'text': \"That's not real.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:32', 'start_time': '17:22', 'text': \"And when you are in a teenage, you try to grasp all those things and you and when you come into that real kind of scenario, maybe you won't get that kind of thing and then you are like disappointed.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:40', 'start_time': '17:32', 'text': \"So on for some, like, it's okay, like, if you want to relax for some time, it's fine.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:51', 'start_time': '17:40', 'text': \"But if you're making it again, if you're making it a part of your life, like, every day you're watching that and just expecting the same, then you are, like, not going anywhere.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:51', 'start_time': '17:51', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '18:00', 'start_time': '17:51', 'text': 'The again, this is a joke, but, with watching porn, I think most guys who spend a lot of time on porn spend time finding the correct porn clip.'},\n {'end_time': '18:00', 'start_time': '18:00', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '18:03', 'start_time': '18:00', 'text': 'And then, like, you know, I think most of the porn watching time is.'},\n {'end_time': '18:18', 'start_time': '18:09', 'text': \"It's it's just it's just one of those things where I I feel kicking out of that porn habit, the masturbation habit, it does a lot of wonders for you.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:20', 'start_time': '18:18', 'text': 'Lot of young guys watching this.'},\n {'end_time': '18:31', 'start_time': '18:22', 'text': \"That's that's that's that's something that both Vivek Bhai and me face because we're health YouTubers.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:33', 'start_time': '18:32', 'text': 'But yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '18:35', 'start_time': '18:33', 'text': 'Anyway, see, this is our opinion.'},\n {'end_time': '18:42', 'start_time': '18:35', 'text': \"At the end of the day, I also feel strongly that you don't listen to people unless you yourself agree 100% about what what basically.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:42', 'start_time': '18:42', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '18:47', 'start_time': '18:42', 'text': \"I want to just say this that if you're a skeptic, like, even I was like that.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:49', 'start_time': '18:47', 'text': 'So you just explore yourself.'},\n {'end_time': '18:50', 'start_time': '18:49', 'text': 'You just try NoFap.'},\n {'end_time': '18:53', 'start_time': '18:51', 'text': 'You try being away from porn.'},\n {'end_time': '18:55', 'start_time': '18:53', 'text': 'If you feel that that is benefiting you Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '18:58', 'start_time': '18:56', 'text': 'Then I think you are you will know what to do.'},\n {'end_time': '18:58', 'start_time': '18:58', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '18:58', 'start_time': '18:58', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '19:02', 'start_time': '18:58', 'text': \"But don't kind of discount things without experiencing it yourself.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:10', 'start_time': '19:02', 'text': \"Like, both of us are extremely scientific people, for each of our fitness videos, I'm dead sure Vivek Bhai does 2, 3 days of research.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:11', 'start_time': '19:10', 'text': 'Same.'},\n {'end_time': '19:11', 'start_time': '19:11', 'text': 'You and I do the same.'},\n {'end_time': '19:20', 'start_time': '19:11', 'text': \"2, 3 days of research where we'll go through detailed studies, and that's when we're putting out, NoFap videos or vegetarianism videos which is what we are gonna come to next.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:26', 'start_time': '19:20', 'text': \"But Cece, if you wanna learn more about the science of NoFap, I'm gonna link Vivek Bhai's video on NoFap down below.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:29', 'start_time': '19:26', 'text': \"Go check it out, it's one of the best videos I have seen on the topic.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:34', 'start_time': '19:30', 'text': \"Vivek Bhai, the other big change that we've brought about in our lives is vegetarianism.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:36', 'start_time': '19:34', 'text': \"You're also Punjabi guy.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:36', 'start_time': '19:36', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '19:37', 'start_time': '19:36', 'text': 'So butter chicken.'},\n {'end_time': '19:45', 'start_time': '19:41', 'text': 'I think both of us gave up meat, around the same time actually.'},\n {'end_time': '19:47', 'start_time': '19:45', 'text': 'So, Vivek Bhai, how did this whole vegetarian thing start?'},\n {'end_time': '19:55', 'start_time': '19:48', 'text': 'So even I was a non vegetarian before, like, like, even my previous videos, like, I have been talking about non vegetarian diets.'},\n {'end_time': '19:56', 'start_time': '19:55', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '20:01', 'start_time': '19:56', 'text': 'So, like, chicken, fish, mutton, protein.'},\n {'end_time': '20:05', 'start_time': '20:03', 'text': \"It's now I have protein.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:06', 'start_time': '20:05', 'text': 'I have protein.'},\n {'end_time': '20:07', 'start_time': '20:06', 'text': 'I have protein.'},\n {'end_time': '20:08', 'start_time': '20:07', 'text': 'I have protein.'},\n {'end_time': '20:10', 'start_time': '20:08', 'text': 'I have a stage.'},\n {'end_time': '20:12', 'start_time': '20:10', 'text': 'I have a stage.'},\n {'end_time': '20:14', 'start_time': '20:12', 'text': 'But then, certain things happened in my life.'},\n {'end_time': '20:20', 'start_time': '20:14', 'text': 'I went into a phase and Like a a little sad phase?'},\n {'end_time': '20:20', 'start_time': '20:20', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '20:26', 'start_time': '20:20', 'text': 'It was a little depressing phase, and after that, I, like, I went into spirituality.'},\n {'end_time': '20:27', 'start_time': '20:26', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '20:30', 'start_time': '20:27', 'text': 'And after that, though, I think it just happened to me.'},\n {'end_time': '20:34', 'start_time': '20:30', 'text': 'Even I do not have the answer that how it happened, but it just it was a calling, I guess.'},\n {'end_time': '20:35', 'start_time': '20:34', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '20:35', 'start_time': '20:35', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '20:37', 'start_time': '20:35', 'text': 'So And but then your body rejected it.'},\n {'end_time': '20:37', 'start_time': '20:37', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '20:42', 'start_time': '20:37', 'text': 'Like, oh, once you once you get into spirituality, I think your body starts rejecting certain food.'},\n {'end_time': '20:42', 'start_time': '20:42', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '20:42', 'start_time': '20:42', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '20:47', 'start_time': '20:42', 'text': 'Even even I was, like, eating too much at that point of time.'},\n {'end_time': '20:49', 'start_time': '20:47', 'text': 'I used to eat like 6 to 8 meals a day.'},\n {'end_time': '20:57', 'start_time': '20:49', 'text': \"Then slowly I started cutting that down because I was like I was like reading like too much food means like it's not good for you.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:58', 'start_time': '20:57', 'text': '100%.'},\n {'end_time': '21:06', 'start_time': '20:58', 'text': \"Bhai, so okay let's talk about vegetarianism, but first let's talk about the reason why both you and me became vegetarian which is this whole spirituality game.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:11', 'start_time': '21:08', 'text': 'Lot of people think that, yeah, you know, vegetarian.'},\n {'end_time': '21:13', 'start_time': '21:13', 'text': 'So how are you happy?'},\n {'end_time': '21:14', 'start_time': '21:13', 'text': 'How are you being happy?'},\n {'end_time': '21:17', 'start_time': '21:15', 'text': \"Don't you feel that this is the happiest you've been in your life?\"},\n {'end_time': '21:17', 'start_time': '21:17', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '21:18', 'start_time': '21:18', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '21:18', 'start_time': '21:18', 'text': 'Same.'},\n {'end_time': '21:27', 'start_time': '21:18', 'text': \"Even I'm in that zone like I'm so thrilled with life, I'm so like genuinely happy from my heart.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:31', 'start_time': '21:28', 'text': \"And a big reason for that is because I've given up the wrong things in life.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:32', 'start_time': '21:31', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '21:37', 'start_time': '21:32', 'text': \"And while those things are in your life, you kind of feel like there's a leash around you, but you don't know that there's a leash.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:49', 'start_time': '21:37', 'text': \"And when you actually cut off masturbation, you cut off lot of excess meat, you cut off wrong habits, like, wrong eating habits, and then you do that for 1, 2 months, that's when you really start seeing the happiness change in you.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:54', 'start_time': '21:50', 'text': \"Bhai, so this whole spirituality game, I'm you're a meditator also, you meditate.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:55', 'start_time': '21:54', 'text': 'So do I.'},\n {'end_time': '22:01', 'start_time': '21:55', 'text': \"One thing I've seen with long term meditation is that see, it definitely changes your mind and there's studies to back it.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:03', 'start_time': '22:01', 'text': 'It changes the structure of your brain.'},\n {'end_time': '22:09', 'start_time': '22:03', 'text': 'But once your mind structure changes, certain biological aspects of your body also change.'},\n {'end_time': '22:12', 'start_time': '22:10', 'text': 'Like, this whole thing about rejecting food.'},\n {'end_time': '22:16', 'start_time': '22:13', 'text': 'I remember there was a phase in my life where I should take chicken breasts.'},\n {'end_time': '22:19', 'start_time': '22:17', 'text': 'I will boil boil mixer.'},\n {'end_time': '22:23', 'start_time': '22:22', 'text': 'Chicken breast shake.'},\n {'end_time': '22:25', 'start_time': '22:23', 'text': 'I used to have it.'},\n {'end_time': '22:25', 'start_time': '22:25', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '22:26', 'start_time': '22:25', 'text': \"Like, I've like, I had that much.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:27', 'start_time': '22:27', 'text': 'Protein.'},\n {'end_time': '22:32', 'start_time': '22:30', 'text': 'Where my bhail is okay.'},\n {'end_time': '22:34', 'start_time': '22:32', 'text': 'I used to eat bhail and then I used to put shredded chicken in that.'},\n {'end_time': '22:41', 'start_time': '22:35', 'text': \"And I think just one day when I saw that chicken in front of me, I was just like, I don't know.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:42', 'start_time': '22:41', 'text': \"It's just seeming too heavy.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:45', 'start_time': '22:42', 'text': 'And I ate also little, and I felt very, like, puffy.'},\n {'end_time': '22:47', 'start_time': '22:45', 'text': 'Like, I just felt very puffed up.'},\n {'end_time': '22:51', 'start_time': '22:47', 'text': \"And that's when I realized that, you know, I should try doing without chicken.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:54', 'start_time': '22:51', 'text': 'So this had actually happened to me with red meat before I say lot of mutton.'},\n {'end_time': '22:58', 'start_time': '22:55', 'text': 'And I gave up mutton because I felt like it was too hot for my body.'},\n {'end_time': '22:59', 'start_time': '22:58', 'text': 'Then I gave up chicken.'},\n {'end_time': '23:02', 'start_time': '22:59', 'text': 'Then I ate seafood for some time and slowly I even gave up seafood.'},\n {'end_time': '23:05', 'start_time': '23:02', 'text': 'Same thing happened to you, like, slowly your body rejected over time.'},\n {'end_time': '23:06', 'start_time': '23:05', 'text': 'What was your journey?'},\n {'end_time': '23:06', 'start_time': '23:06', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '23:12', 'start_time': '23:07', 'text': 'So as I said, I was, like, too much into veg non vegetarian food at one point of time.'},\n {'end_time': '23:19', 'start_time': '23:13', 'text': 'Then in that phase when I was, like, quite depressed, and I just found spirituality.'},\n {'end_time': '23:25', 'start_time': '23:20', 'text': 'I started watching certain spiritual videos as you may call it.'},\n {'end_time': '23:29', 'start_time': '23:25', 'text': 'So I just felt that I did not know about this dimension of life.'},\n {'end_time': '23:36', 'start_time': '23:30', 'text': 'And when I went more and more into this, then I felt that I cannot eat non vegetarian food.'},\n {'end_time': '23:39', 'start_time': '23:36', 'text': 'So I I felt that it was effortless for me.'},\n {'end_time': '23:40', 'start_time': '23:39', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '23:40', 'start_time': '23:40', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '23:43', 'start_time': '23:40', 'text': \"Like, it was like one day I said I won't be eating it.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:45', 'start_time': '23:43', 'text': \"And after that, I've never even touched it.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:45', 'start_time': '23:45', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '23:45', 'start_time': '23:45', 'text': '100%.'},\n {'end_time': '23:46', 'start_time': '23:45', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '23:51', 'start_time': '23:46', 'text': \"So that that just happened and I have and I feel that it's amazing.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:51', 'start_time': '23:51', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '23:58', 'start_time': '23:52', 'text': \"Now I feel and people think that non vegetarian food, if you're not eating non vegetarian food, then Body name banengi.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:01', 'start_time': '23:58', 'text': \"Body name banengi or maybe you're not getting enough nutrients.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:02', 'start_time': '24:01', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '24:02', 'start_time': '24:02', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '24:09', 'start_time': '24:02', 'text': 'But I can tell you this very surely that even in vegetarian food, you can get each and every nutrient that you want.'},\n {'end_time': '24:09', 'start_time': '24:09', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '24:09', 'start_time': '24:09', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '24:10', 'start_time': '24:09', 'text': '100%.'},\n {'end_time': '24:17', 'start_time': '24:10', 'text': \"Like, that's I think the argument that a lot of hardcore non vegetarians have, like how you and me also used to be hardcore non vegetarians.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:18', 'start_time': '24:17', 'text': 'Even we used to say things like that.'},\n {'end_time': '24:29', 'start_time': '24:18', 'text': \"You know, you have b 12, you know, calcium But, the kind of benefits you feel internally once you switch fully to vegetarian diet, it's not easy also to switch for many people.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:29', 'start_time': '24:29', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '24:30', 'start_time': '24:29', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '24:32', 'start_time': '24:30', 'text': 'Initially, even I used to crave non veg and all sometimes.'},\n {'end_time': '24:36', 'start_time': '24:32', 'text': \"But once you're in that vegetarian zone in life, then you can never go back.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:37', 'start_time': '24:36', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '24:39', 'start_time': '24:37', 'text': 'Because you realize how differently your mind is thinking.'},\n {'end_time': '24:45', 'start_time': '24:40', 'text': \"So I keep giving this example of, basically, I'm not mint like chewing gum, minty chewing gum.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:47', 'start_time': '24:45', 'text': 'Do you know how your mouth feels all cool after you eat a mint?'},\n {'end_time': '24:48', 'start_time': '24:47', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '24:49', 'start_time': '24:48', 'text': 'You kind of feel that with your brain.'},\n {'end_time': '24:51', 'start_time': '24:49', 'text': 'You feel that with your mental state after you turn vegetarian.'},\n {'end_time': '25:02', 'start_time': '24:52', 'text': \"So, Vivek, why because you're a big reader of Ayurveda, because you're also a big reader of western sciences, I want to ask you what Ayurveda says about vegetarianism versus non vegetarianism?\"},\n {'end_time': '25:08', 'start_time': '25:03', 'text': 'So according to Iraved, like food is not just nutrition.'},\n {'end_time': '25:10', 'start_time': '25:09', 'text': 'It is also energy.'},\n {'end_time': '25:13', 'start_time': '25:11', 'text': 'It is also vibe that you are putting in.'},\n {'end_time': '25:14', 'start_time': '25:13', 'text': \"It's also memories.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:16', 'start_time': '25:14', 'text': 'It is also memories.'},\n {'end_time': '25:16', 'start_time': '25:16', 'text': 'Correct.'},\n {'end_time': '25:23', 'start_time': '25:17', 'text': 'So if you are eating a non vegetarian food, you know what kind of vibes you are putting in.'},\n {'end_time': '25:26', 'start_time': '25:23', 'text': 'There is anger, there is fear, there is violence.'},\n {'end_time': '25:30', 'start_time': '25:26', 'text': \"If you put that kind of vibe within, you're basically eating stress, You're eating stress.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:34', 'start_time': '25:30', 'text': 'And that will come up in the form of mental agitation.'},\n {'end_time': '25:34', 'start_time': '25:34', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '25:34', 'start_time': '25:34', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '25:39', 'start_time': '25:34', 'text': 'And you your life will be more about those kind of vibes.'},\n {'end_time': '25:40', 'start_time': '25:39', 'text': '100%.'},\n {'end_time': '25:44', 'start_time': '25:40', 'text': \"So basically, I'll explain the biology what I understand of it.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:55', 'start_time': '25:45', 'text': \"Basically when you're cutting an animal, okay, when you're killing an animal, no living being wants to die like that is a natural instinct of any living being that I don't want to die, I want to save myself and I wanna procreate.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:02', 'start_time': '25:56', 'text': \"So the reaction of any living being when you're cutting it is that its cells become extremely acidic.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:04', 'start_time': '26:02', 'text': 'The acid levels in the whole body go up a lot.'},\n {'end_time': '26:05', 'start_time': '26:05', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '26:13', 'start_time': '26:05', 'text': \"So any meat even if you do like, even if you drain the blood, even if you're doing it ethically, it is an acidic substance.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:16', 'start_time': '26:13', 'text': 'Now your body is alkaline like naturally.'},\n {'end_time': '26:24', 'start_time': '26:16', 'text': 'So when you are eating like that acidic thing, there is a conversion process like that whole like the meat goes from being acidic to becoming alkaline.'},\n {'end_time': '26:32', 'start_time': '26:24', 'text': 'In the process, obviously, the biological aspect is a lot of heat is released and then that heat causes problems in your body, which in Ayurveda is called pitha?'},\n {'end_time': '26:33', 'start_time': '26:32', 'text': 'Pith.'},\n {'end_time': '26:33', 'start_time': '26:33', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '26:35', 'start_time': '26:33', 'text': 'The pith of your body gets increased.'},\n {'end_time': '26:35', 'start_time': '26:35', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '26:35', 'start_time': '26:35', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '26:37', 'start_time': '26:35', 'text': 'And that heat actually leads to a lot of issues.'},\n {'end_time': '26:43', 'start_time': '26:37', 'text': 'And that is why you can see people getting lot of body heating issues, pimples and all those.'},\n {'end_time': '26:46', 'start_time': '26:43', 'text': 'Like, bad skin quality, bad hair quality, all that.'},\n {'end_time': '26:58', 'start_time': '26:46', 'text': \"The other kind of spiritual aspect of it is that, basically, if you take off a hair from any human's body or if you take off your nail, your DNA is in that nail or that hair.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:58', 'start_time': '26:58', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '27:00', 'start_time': '26:58', 'text': 'And DNA is a form of memory.'},\n {'end_time': '27:04', 'start_time': '27:00', 'text': \"It's like basically all your genetics are stored in that little stand of DNA.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:09', 'start_time': '27:06', 'text': 'Your memory is also your actual memory which is your life experiences.'},\n {'end_time': '27:18', 'start_time': '27:09', 'text': 'So an animal has gone through certain experiences in its life and all that gets stored in its mind, in its body, in its flesh in some possible form.'},\n {'end_time': '27:24', 'start_time': '27:19', 'text': \"Now, if you are actually eating an animal, you're also eating all its memory.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:29', 'start_time': '27:24', 'text': 'Its emotional memory, its biological memory, and that gets stored inside you.'},\n {'end_time': '27:33', 'start_time': '27:29', 'text': 'But also, the memory of its own death gets stored inside you, all that stress gets stored inside you.'},\n {'end_time': '27:35', 'start_time': '27:33', 'text': \"That's what the eating stress means.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:40', 'start_time': '27:36', 'text': \"This is something I didn't understand at all when I was eating non veg because I used to enjoy eating non veg.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:02', 'start_time': '27:40', 'text': \"I love galotti kabaz and I love butter chicken and, you know, I still say that non vegetarian food is extremely tasty, but when you're living a vegetarian life and you're seeing the mental benefits of it, and then you also see the fact that you're not causing any pain to any living being, that is even more beneficial than a good tasting food.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:03', 'start_time': '28:02', 'text': \"So that's what I believe.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:08', 'start_time': '28:03', 'text': 'And even, like, some, some people might say that even plants are living.'},\n {'end_time': '28:09', 'start_time': '28:08', 'text': \"You're killing them.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:09', 'start_time': '28:09', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '28:10', 'start_time': '28:09', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '28:18', 'start_time': '28:10', 'text': \"I would like to defer to this because if you're eating a fruit, even if you don't if you you don't have to kill the plant.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:19', 'start_time': '28:18', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '28:19', 'start_time': '28:19', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '28:19', 'start_time': '28:19', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '28:22', 'start_time': '28:19', 'text': 'You have to just pluck the fruit or it will anyway fall down.'},\n {'end_time': '28:22', 'start_time': '28:22', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '28:24', 'start_time': '28:22', 'text': 'Similarly with a vegetable.'},\n {'end_time': '28:24', 'start_time': '28:24', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '28:28', 'start_time': '28:24', 'text': 'Of course, there are certain vegetables you which you have to pull from the ground.'},\n {'end_time': '28:37', 'start_time': '28:28', 'text': \"So the you have to be little sensible and see the if you can compare the violence, it's too less when it comes to vegetarian food.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:42', 'start_time': '28:37', 'text': 'Also, there do you believe this whole thing that there are lower forms of life and higher forms of life?'},\n {'end_time': '28:47', 'start_time': '28:42', 'text': 'Like, for example, what separates a human from an animal is that we can think, we can be spiritual.'},\n {'end_time': '28:48', 'start_time': '28:47', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '28:50', 'start_time': '28:48', 'text': 'You know, we can criticize, we can question things.'},\n {'end_time': '28:53', 'start_time': '28:51', 'text': \"A dog can't do all the a dog can't be spiritual.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:56', 'start_time': '28:53', 'text': \"A dog can't, like, deeply question things, think of philosophy.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:00', 'start_time': '28:57', 'text': 'So we are definitely more advanced than dogs.'},\n {'end_time': '29:04', 'start_time': '29:00', 'text': \"A mammal like a dog is much more advanced than say an insect, which doesn't think spiritually.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:10', 'start_time': '29:05', 'text': \"Similarly, an insect is way more advanced than say a plant, which doesn't really have a thought process.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:17', 'start_time': '29:11', 'text': \"So if you are eating a lower form of life and not causing pain to that lower form of life, it's a much more beneficial state to be in.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:17', 'start_time': '29:17', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '29:20', 'start_time': '29:17', 'text': \"But this is a concept you won't understand till you become vegetarian.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:24', 'start_time': '29:21', 'text': 'And again, quitting non veg is not for everyone.'},\n {'end_time': '29:27', 'start_time': '29:25', 'text': \"If you aren't ready for it, don't do it.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:29', 'start_time': '29:27', 'text': \"There's no, like, pressure on you.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:31', 'start_time': '29:29', 'text': 'This is just what Vivek Bai and me have, like, experienced in our life.'},\n {'end_time': '29:32', 'start_time': '29:31', 'text': \"That's why we're putting it out there.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:37', 'start_time': '29:33', 'text': \"The day you're supposed to become vegetarian, your body will request you from inside, just the way it happened to us.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:06', 'start_time': '29:37', 'text': \"Like, no one actually, a lot of people told me that vegetarian bun bun bun you are a very smart person and that's visible in your content, I want to ask you that all these changes in your life that you are bringing about, how is it helping your career?\"},\n {'end_time': '30:15', 'start_time': '30:06', 'text': 'Because I know it is, but can you actually break it down for the audience because everyone sees fit tuba videos with all the resource and beautifully shot videos and all that.'},\n {'end_time': '30:18', 'start_time': '30:15', 'text': 'But all these changes, what has it done to your mental state?'},\n {'end_time': '30:20', 'start_time': '30:18', 'text': 'Like, are you able to think more clearly?'},\n {'end_time': '30:21', 'start_time': '30:20', 'text': 'Are you more creative?'},\n {'end_time': '30:27', 'start_time': '30:23', 'text': \"So I think I've become a little more simple person.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:28', 'start_time': '30:27', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '30:30', 'start_time': '30:28', 'text': 'Like, my lifestyle has become very simple.'},\n {'end_time': '30:32', 'start_time': '30:31', 'text': 'I drive in Alto.'},\n {'end_time': '30:34', 'start_time': '30:33', 'text': 'I sit on the floor and eat.'},\n {'end_time': '30:36', 'start_time': '30:34', 'text': 'I love home cooked food.'},\n {'end_time': '30:38', 'start_time': '30:37', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '30:39', 'start_time': '30:38', 'text': \"So that's how it is for me.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:45', 'start_time': '30:39', 'text': 'Like, I personally do not feel that I have to amp up my lifestyle somehow.'},\n {'end_time': '30:52', 'start_time': '30:46', 'text': 'But yes, there are like certain aspects to my job, for example, money, fame, and all those things.'},\n {'end_time': '31:12', 'start_time': '30:52', 'text': 'And that I feel is for the sustainability of the model that I have created to provide people, information which is reliable, which is authentic, which can actually make their lives change, which can actually be acted upon.'},\n {'end_time': '31:13', 'start_time': '31:12', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '31:13', 'start_time': '31:13', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '31:20', 'start_time': '31:13', 'text': \"So that's my goal is that has always been my goal, and I think even in the future, that will be my goal.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:27', 'start_time': '31:21', 'text': 'And money, these are outcomes of the value that you are adding to the people.'},\n {'end_time': '31:30', 'start_time': '31:27', 'text': 'And I feel that somehow it will come back to you.'},\n {'end_time': '31:49', 'start_time': '31:31', 'text': \"So maybe 5 years down the line, if if I'm able to sustain this thing, and I, if I'm able to maintain the content that I'm making, and if, even if somebody comes to me and tells me that your video has helped me change my lifestyle, I I'm so happy with that.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:01', 'start_time': '31:52', 'text': \"So by my final question to you is that you're doing all this amazing work and fit you, but when you're dying, what would you like to be remembered as?\"},\n {'end_time': '32:11', 'start_time': '32:01', 'text': 'So when I die, like, I just want to be remembered as somebody who tried to make healthy lifestyle easier.'},\n {'end_time': '32:17', 'start_time': '32:12', 'text': 'And because there is so much information, people get confused what to do and what not to do.'},\n {'end_time': '32:19', 'start_time': '32:17', 'text': 'So maybe I might be helpful in that.'},\n {'end_time': '32:22', 'start_time': '32:20', 'text': 'Otherwise, I want them to be so happy.'},\n {'end_time': '32:32', 'start_time': '32:22', 'text': \"Even if they don't remember me, it's fine with me, but they should remain healthy, and they should actually understand that health is much more than any other asset that you have.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:33', 'start_time': '32:32', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '32:39', 'start_time': '32:33', 'text': 'Do you think that that is the purpose of your life, like to spread information about something like health?'},\n {'end_time': '32:39', 'start_time': '32:39', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '32:47', 'start_time': '32:40', 'text': \"Actually, I think so because whatever is happening on Fitiva, I don't think it is happening because of me.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:54', 'start_time': '32:48', 'text': 'I think there is some power which is making which has made me a medium Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '32:55', 'start_time': '32:54', 'text': 'To make this happen.'},\n {'end_time': '32:55', 'start_time': '32:55', 'text': '100%.'},\n {'end_time': '33:00', 'start_time': '32:56', 'text': \"Like, they say that the world's best creativity is never your own.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:04', 'start_time': '33:00', 'text': 'You are given it, and then you are just putting it out, which is what I also strongly believe.'},\n {'end_time': '33:08', 'start_time': '33:05', 'text': \"The scripts we write sometimes when I'm sure this happens to you also.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:10', 'start_time': '33:08', 'text': \"When I'm writing a script, script.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:13', 'start_time': '33:11', 'text': \"You know, I don't know but.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:20', 'start_time': '33:14', 'text': \"Sometimes this idea comes in, and that video you put in and it's been liked by so many people.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:21', 'start_time': '33:20', 'text': '100%.'},\n {'end_time': '33:21', 'start_time': '33:21', 'text': 'Crazy.'},\n {'end_time': '33:23', 'start_time': '33:22', 'text': 'Anyway, Vivek Bhai, it was great having you.'},\n {'end_time': '33:24', 'start_time': '33:23', 'text': 'So much Bhai.'},\n {'end_time': '33:25', 'start_time': '33:24', 'text': 'I hope you had fun.'},\n {'end_time': '33:26', 'start_time': '33:25', 'text': 'So much fun.'},\n {'end_time': '33:26', 'start_time': '33:26', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '33:29', 'start_time': '33:26', 'text': \"We're gonna do a lot more podcast with you going forward.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:34', 'start_time': '33:29', 'text': 'I hope you guys had fun about this nofap and vegetarianism and spirituality.'},\n {'end_time': '33:35', 'start_time': '33:34', 'text': 'And obviously, Vivek Bhai, you.'},\n {'end_time': '33:37', 'start_time': '33:35', 'text': \"I'm gonna link his channel down below.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:38', 'start_time': '33:37', 'text': \"His handle's down below.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:38', 'start_time': '33:38', 'text': 'Make sure you follow.'},\n {'end_time': '33:39', 'start_time': '33:38', 'text': 'Make sure you subscribe.'},\n {'end_time': '33:41', 'start_time': '33:40', 'text': 'And until next time, guys.'},\n {'end_time': '33:44', 'start_time': '33:41', 'text': 'From Vivek Bhai, Ranveer, and the whole team.'},\n {'end_time': '33:45', 'start_time': '33:44', 'text': \"We'll see you later.\"}],\n dtype=object)}", "role": "user" }, { "content": "{'chapters': array([{'start_time': '00:00', 'title': 'Introduction'},\n {'start_time': '01:26', 'title': 'About his YouTube channel - Fit Tuber'},\n {'start_time': '04:35', 'title': 'Nofap'},\n {'start_time': '06:08', 'title': 'Creative energy'},\n {'start_time': '09:20', 'title': 'Smoking'},\n {'start_time': '11:41', 'title': 'Science behind semen'},\n {'start_time': '12:32', 'title': 'On YSS Pranayam'},\n {'start_time': '14:38', 'title': 'Sex life'},\n {'start_time': '16:03', 'title': 'Porn addiction'},\n {'start_time': '19:29', 'title': 'Vegetarianism'},\n {'start_time': '29:51', 'title': 'Become a simpler person'}],\n dtype=object)}", "role": "assistant" } ]

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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:06", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "Monkey chat, intelligent conversations only, featuring Ayush Jaiswal, one of India's top startup minds." }, { "end_time": "0:13", "start_time": "0:06", "text": "Irrespective of the career you've chosen for yourself, I feel like every single human being should know how to run a startup, how to launch a business in this country." }, { "end_time": "0:21", "start_time": "0:13", "text": "What kind of business to launch because if you really want to make big huge money in life in India, you have to learn how to run a business." }, { "end_time": "0:23", "start_time": "0:21", "text": "That's what this conversation is about." }, { "end_time": "0:24", "start_time": "0:23", "text": "Why should you listen to Ayush Jaiswal?" }, { "end_time": "0:27", "start_time": "0:24", "text": "He's what I call India's $1,000,000 genius." }, { "end_time": "0:28", "start_time": "0:27", "text": "He runs a company called Pestotech." }, { "end_time": "0:32", "start_time": "0:28", "text": "They basically train engineering grads and engineering dropouts for 3 months." }, { "end_time": "0:33", "start_time": "0:32", "text": "It's kind of a night school." }, { "end_time": "0:40", "start_time": "0:33", "text": "At the end of the night school, they're providing employment and the kind of pay packages they offer to their grads is just incredible." }, { "end_time": "0:47", "start_time": "0:41", "text": "He's basically revamping the education system in the country today and in doing so, he's created a multi $1,000,000 business." }, { "end_time": "0:49", "start_time": "0:48", "text": "That's why you should be listening to this guy." }, { "end_time": "0:53", "start_time": "0:49", "text": "He's also been mentored by some of the top startup minds in the country." }, { "end_time": "0:55", "start_time": "0:53", "text": "This is a slightly long episode." }, { "end_time": "0:56", "start_time": "0:55", "text": "Trust me, listen to it." }, { "end_time": "1:00", "start_time": "0:56", "text": "I know it sounds like a lot, but at the end of the 55 minutes, you'll agree with me." }, { "end_time": "1:05", "start_time": "1:00", "text": "This is one of the episodes which you'll come back to at some point in your future life." }, { "end_time": "1:08", "start_time": "1:05", "text": "If you're all about that startup life, enjoy yourself." }, { "end_time": "1:13", "start_time": "1:09", "text": "Welcome to India's most intelligent podcast with one of India's most intelligent entrepreneurs." }, { "end_time": "1:17", "start_time": "1:14", "text": "Welcome to My friend, Ayush Jaiswal." }, { "end_time": "1:19", "start_time": "1:17", "text": "For those of you who don't know Ayush Jaiswal, please just leave India." }, { "end_time": "1:20", "start_time": "1:19", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:20", "start_time": "1:20", "text": "I'm kidding." }, { "end_time": "1:25", "start_time": "1:20", "text": "For those of you who don't know Ayush Jaiswal, first of all, go watch the video we created together on beer wizips." }, { "end_time": "1:32", "start_time": "1:25", "text": "Ayush Jaiswal is genuinely one of the most knowledgeable people in the entire startup stratosphere in India." }, { "end_time": "1:37", "start_time": "1:32", "text": "So Ayush, today's podcast topic is how to start a startup from an Indian perspective." }, { "end_time": "1:38", "start_time": "1:38", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:49", "start_time": "1:38", "text": "So everything from how you actually get the 1st business idea to selecting your cofounders to raising money, the stage you're at, you recently raised $2,000,000 for Pesto, your company." }, { "end_time": "1:52", "start_time": "1:49", "text": "For those of you who don't know about Pesto, I'll give you all a brief introduction." }, { "end_time": "1:55", "start_time": "1:53", "text": "Ashish, I'll just quickly explain what Pesto does." }, { "end_time": "1:59", "start_time": "1:55", "text": "So Pesto is is a 3 month program for senior engineers." }, { "end_time": "2:04", "start_time": "1:59", "text": "So we take engineers who are really talented in India but who don't have the right opportunities." }, { "end_time": "2:09", "start_time": "2:04", "text": "So we take them, we give them the necessary training to bring them at par with global engineers." }, { "end_time": "2:09", "start_time": "2:09", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "2:11", "start_time": "2:09", "text": "You'll also give them professional training." }, { "end_time": "2:14", "start_time": "2:11", "text": "They've they've become great engineers but they also become great professionals." }, { "end_time": "2:14", "start_time": "2:14", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "2:14", "start_time": "2:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:19", "start_time": "2:14", "text": "So we we kind of like make them a great professionals and and we give them the opportunities which are global." }, { "end_time": "2:20", "start_time": "2:19", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "2:22", "start_time": "2:20", "text": "We get them the opportunities which are there in US." }, { "end_time": "2:25", "start_time": "2:23", "text": "So we place them as remote employees in US tech companies." }, { "end_time": "2:34", "start_time": "2:25", "text": "So this way, they end up making not only much more money than they were making before, but they also get the opportunity to work with some of the brightest minds Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:36", "start_time": "2:34", "text": "And work on complex problems." }, { "end_time": "2:37", "start_time": "2:36", "text": "So they get to learn more." }, { "end_time": "2:37", "start_time": "2:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:39", "start_time": "2:37", "text": "And they can sit in India and work from their homes." }, { "end_time": "2:40", "start_time": "2:39", "text": "From their homes." }, { "end_time": "2:41", "start_time": "2:40", "text": "That's right." }, { "end_time": "2:46", "start_time": "2:41", "text": "Or or they can work from, you know, any co working space or anything which makes them feel comfortable." }, { "end_time": "2:48", "start_time": "2:46", "text": "So I think we brought this up in the last interview also." }, { "end_time": "2:52", "start_time": "2:48", "text": "But on an average, what are the pay package is like after the 3 month program?" }, { "end_time": "2:56", "start_time": "2:52", "text": "So the average right now is 31 lakhs after after they graduate." }, { "end_time": "2:56", "start_time": "2:56", "text": "That's crazy." }, { "end_time": "3:00", "start_time": "2:56", "text": "That's more than almost any engineering college right now, most engineering colleges." }, { "end_time": "3:05", "start_time": "3:00", "text": "And that's on an average, and I'm sure the pay packages go up a lot also depending on how good, like, the student is." }, { "end_time": "3:06", "start_time": "3:05", "text": "So it's crazy, dude." }, { "end_time": "3:09", "start_time": "3:06", "text": "You're kind of revamping the education system in a way." }, { "end_time": "3:11", "start_time": "3:09", "text": "That's what I've always said." }, { "end_time": "3:16", "start_time": "3:11", "text": "Now, bro, before Pesto, you did other jobs in the whole startup world." }, { "end_time": "3:21", "start_time": "3:16", "text": "You were mentored by people like doctor Ritesh Malek, you know, some of the top startup minds in the country." }, { "end_time": "3:24", "start_time": "3:21", "text": "So there's a lot of kids watching this, man." }, { "end_time": "3:31", "start_time": "3:24", "text": "What's the first step if you know yourself I can't ever have a boss and I want to live this start up life." }, { "end_time": "3:33", "start_time": "3:31", "text": "So what is the first step in that process?" }, { "end_time": "3:38", "start_time": "3:33", "text": "Would you suggest going down the same path you went down, like, working in a start up and all understanding what's going on?" }, { "end_time": "3:43", "start_time": "3:38", "text": "I think, like, every path everyone writes their own path and every everyone's path is unique." }, { "end_time": "3:43", "start_time": "3:43", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "3:49", "start_time": "3:43", "text": "It's like I I don't I barely know anyone who has followed, you know, anyone's path." }, { "end_time": "3:49", "start_time": "3:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:50", "start_time": "3:49", "text": "There's there's no fixed guideline." }, { "end_time": "3:52", "start_time": "3:50", "text": "Everyone writes their own story." }, { "end_time": "3:59", "start_time": "3:52", "text": "But I think one of the most important things is to realize that everything which you start is is at least like 3 to 5 years journey." }, { "end_time": "4:11", "start_time": "3:59", "text": "It's like, you know, looking backwards if I see, you know, not only my story but but stories of many other people who have seen, it generally takes like 3 to 5 years to kind of mature into yes." }, { "end_time": "4:12", "start_time": "4:11", "text": "Into whatever you're trying to do." }, { "end_time": "4:14", "start_time": "4:12", "text": "So I think that is one." }, { "end_time": "4:17", "start_time": "4:14", "text": "And the second thing is just having this attitude that I don't want a boss." }, { "end_time": "4:18", "start_time": "4:17", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "4:25", "start_time": "4:18", "text": "Or I don't want believe me when when you're actually, leading a team, you have so many bosses instead of 1." }, { "end_time": "4:34", "start_time": "4:25", "text": "What do you mean they can't You're accountable to every single person because anything which you do wrong harms not only you but everyone else there." }, { "end_time": "4:35", "start_time": "4:34", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "4:37", "start_time": "4:35", "text": "So it's very bigger responsibility." }, { "end_time": "4:43", "start_time": "4:37", "text": "So I think you should not be an entrepreneur just because you want to work for yourself, you don't want any boss because that's like ego." }, { "end_time": "4:57", "start_time": "4:43", "text": "And, that is something which definitely doesn't doesn't fly in in in, you know, in this because, you need to be humble, you need to kind of, you know, understand, where you're trying to go and not take decisions driven by your ego." }, { "end_time": "5:00", "start_time": "4:57", "text": "So I think, you know Don't go in with that mentality." }, { "end_time": "5:01", "start_time": "5:00", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "5:03", "start_time": "5:02", "text": "And all that." }, { "end_time": "5:03", "start_time": "5:03", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "5:14", "start_time": "5:03", "text": "I think that the whole aspect of responsibility is something that you only understand once you actually become an entrepreneur and you see people coming into your office and you realize that the work you're doing is actually feeding mouths." }, { "end_time": "5:17", "start_time": "5:14", "text": "It's probably feeding even the family's mouths and all that." }, { "end_time": "5:24", "start_time": "5:17", "text": "So you definitely feel that aspect of it but coming back to starters, first of all obviously you guys should know entrepreneurship is not easy." }, { "end_time": "5:31", "start_time": "5:24", "text": "That's one kind of glamorized thing that we see on Silicon Valley and that we see on TVF pictures we think, yeah, ahaan kammust life and all." }, { "end_time": "5:33", "start_time": "5:32", "text": "Very difficult." }, { "end_time": "5:36", "start_time": "5:33", "text": "I think Ayush and me have both lost a lot of relationships in this 4 year journey." }, { "end_time": "5:38", "start_time": "5:36", "text": "We've given up a lot of things." }, { "end_time": "5:40", "start_time": "5:38", "text": "We've we don't have a social life pretty much." }, { "end_time": "5:42", "start_time": "5:40", "text": "I think our social life is It's very same." }, { "end_time": "5:42", "start_time": "5:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:45", "start_time": "5:42", "text": "We we meet other entrepreneurs, we meet people from our industries." }, { "end_time": "5:50", "start_time": "5:47", "text": "Your whole life kind of just turns into your career." }, { "end_time": "5:51", "start_time": "5:50", "text": "That's what I feel." }, { "end_time": "5:52", "start_time": "5:51", "text": "Would you agree to something like that?" }, { "end_time": "5:53", "start_time": "5:52", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "5:59", "start_time": "5:53", "text": "I think like, a lot of people tell me, right, I think it's it's it's kind of there are 2 ways to look at it." }, { "end_time": "6:06", "start_time": "5:59", "text": "One way is that, you definitely make compromises like I have very fewer friends and I have, like, you know, few people Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:12", "start_time": "6:06", "text": "Who who are pretty close to me or, you know, people I spend, time with because majority of my time just goes into work." }, { "end_time": "6:13", "start_time": "6:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:14", "start_time": "6:13", "text": "And, even on weekends?" }, { "end_time": "6:15", "start_time": "6:14", "text": "Even on weekends." }, { "end_time": "6:21", "start_time": "6:15", "text": "I mean, like, that's like given, like, if you're trying to be an entrepreneur, you just like have to be there day in and day out." }, { "end_time": "6:21", "start_time": "6:21", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "6:24", "start_time": "6:21", "text": "It's like, you have to be, you know, all the time you have to be added." }, { "end_time": "6:28", "start_time": "6:24", "text": "It's really difficult for me to to turn off." }, { "end_time": "6:29", "start_time": "6:28", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "6:29", "start_time": "6:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:29", "start_time": "6:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:35", "start_time": "6:30", "text": "The second thing is that I see a lot of people who come to me and say that I you don't have a life." }, { "end_time": "6:38", "start_time": "6:35", "text": "I think that's also not the right way to look at it." }, { "end_time": "6:45", "start_time": "6:38", "text": "I think, I don't feel bad about that, because it's it's a choice which I make because I enjoy doing this." }, { "end_time": "6:45", "start_time": "6:45", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "6:49", "start_time": "6:46", "text": "So it's not that it's just too bad in that sense." }, { "end_time": "6:50", "start_time": "6:49", "text": "It's definitely hard work." }, { "end_time": "6:50", "start_time": "6:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:52", "start_time": "6:50", "text": "But then, it's not that you don't have a life." }, { "end_time": "6:55", "start_time": "6:52", "text": "Your life is just like a part of your work." }, { "end_time": "6:57", "start_time": "6:55", "text": "Your work life integration is just 100%." }, { "end_time": "6:58", "start_time": "6:57", "text": "Closer than Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:00", "start_time": "6:58", "text": "What it is for normal people." }, { "end_time": "7:00", "start_time": "7:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:04", "start_time": "7:00", "text": "If you ask us 1,000 times, would you rather be in a club or would you rather be in an office?" }, { "end_time": "7:06", "start_time": "7:04", "text": "I think we'd always say I'd rather be in an office." }, { "end_time": "7:06", "start_time": "7:06", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "7:16", "start_time": "7:06", "text": "Because you know that those 2, 3 hours that you're spending in a club, if you actually invest that time back into building that castle that you're building for yourself, you'd always pick building the castle." }, { "end_time": "7:17", "start_time": "7:16", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "7:23", "start_time": "7:17", "text": "And I'll tell you for me personally, I have like this goal long term of, really kind of creating a change in the world." }, { "end_time": "7:25", "start_time": "7:23", "text": "Like, that's what I know my life's motive is." }, { "end_time": "7:36", "start_time": "7:25", "text": "So either I know I'm gonna do something in animal welfare, I know I'm gonna do something for Indian education, and that's why I'm doing entrepreneurship because I want to earn money in order to become powerful and in order to have the resources to actually change the world." }, { "end_time": "7:38", "start_time": "7:36", "text": "That's my driving force." }, { "end_time": "7:41", "start_time": "7:38", "text": "What's your internal strongest driving force?" }, { "end_time": "7:49", "start_time": "7:41", "text": "I know Steve Jobs is a huge inspiration for you, but on a personal level, are you doing it somewhere for a big mansion that you want Monday for the fancy cars?" }, { "end_time": "7:54", "start_time": "7:49", "text": "Are you doing it to become an investor, invest in start ups further and, you know, pay it, what's it called?" }, { "end_time": "7:55", "start_time": "7:54", "text": "Pay it forward?" }, { "end_time": "7:55", "start_time": "7:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:56", "start_time": "7:55", "text": "Like, what's what's your vibe?" }, { "end_time": "8:08", "start_time": "7:56", "text": "So in interestingly, you brought this up because I think, a lot of people think that it's it's driven by your ambitions to kind of, achieve materialistic goals, but the way you framed it was pretty beautiful." }, { "end_time": "8:19", "start_time": "8:08", "text": "I don't think it's materialistic in any way because if it was materialistic, I would have given up a long time ago, right, because The journey was very difficult." }, { "end_time": "8:31", "start_time": "8:19", "text": "The journey was very difficult and it's like there are there are, you know, simpler ways when you kind of, you know, see that you can achieve that in different ways, rather than going for what what, I ended up doing." }, { "end_time": "8:31", "start_time": "8:31", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "8:32", "start_time": "8:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:35", "start_time": "8:32", "text": "So you're saying there's easier ways to earn money in the world rather than going For sure." }, { "end_time": "8:37", "start_time": "8:35", "text": "In the mail of Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:44", "start_time": "8:37", "text": "Especially when you don't see, you know, the light in the tunnel, then then definitely, you know, that any light kind of like helps you." }, { "end_time": "8:47", "start_time": "8:44", "text": "So you can always figure out some other ways to make money." }, { "end_time": "8:55", "start_time": "8:47", "text": "But, I think my driving force has been to truly create an impact and as you pointed out that you want to create a positive impact in the world." }, { "end_time": "9:05", "start_time": "8:55", "text": "I feel very satisfied when a person graduating out of Pesto gets a job, so rewarding that not only his but his family's lives completely changes." }, { "end_time": "9:05", "start_time": "9:05", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "9:08", "start_time": "9:05", "text": "And that's a very satisfying satisfying feeling." }, { "end_time": "9:11", "start_time": "9:08", "text": "And at the same time, it's also a lot of responsibility." }, { "end_time": "9:11", "start_time": "9:11", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "9:18", "start_time": "9:11", "text": "I feel I feel very nervous and I work day in and day out that all these people are coming in." }, { "end_time": "9:20", "start_time": "9:18", "text": "We make sure that, Their futures are better." }, { "end_time": "9:21", "start_time": "9:20", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "9:23", "start_time": "9:21", "text": "Because their futures are dependent on you." }, { "end_time": "9:23", "start_time": "9:23", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "9:28", "start_time": "9:23", "text": "And And would you say that that's a, like, I think your biggest rush in entrepreneurship, k." }, { "end_time": "9:32", "start_time": "9:31", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "9:32", "start_time": "9:32", "text": "I mean, that's the goal of majority of entrepreneurs." }, { "end_time": "9:44", "start_time": "9:32", "text": "I think I know good entrepreneurs who who just want to create a better, a larger impact in people's lives and I think there's no bad better feeling in the world Than giving back." }, { "end_time": "9:45", "start_time": "9:44", "text": "Than giving back." }, { "end_time": "9:45", "start_time": "9:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:46", "start_time": "9:45", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "9:55", "start_time": "9:46", "text": "And if you can build a business which which is, creating a long lasting impact in anyone's lives, right, even one person's life, I think that's that's incredible." }, { "end_time": "9:55", "start_time": "9:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:56", "start_time": "9:55", "text": "100%, bro." }, { "end_time": "9:56", "start_time": "9:56", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "10:00", "start_time": "9:56", "text": "Ayush, before we actually talk about the process of how to start a start up Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "10:06", "start_time": "10:00", "text": "Wanna ask you one quick question just to give the viewers context about what entrepreneurship is like from the inside." }, { "end_time": "10:12", "start_time": "10:06", "text": "What's the worst, most demeaning moment of your life that's come out of this entrepreneurial journey?" }, { "end_time": "10:20", "start_time": "10:12", "text": "Because we know it's rewarding both monetarily, you make money off it, you get success from it, you feel rewarded because you're giving back to people." }, { "end_time": "10:23", "start_time": "10:20", "text": "But there are bad aspects as well which aren't spoken about enough." }, { "end_time": "10:23", "start_time": "10:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:23", "start_time": "10:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:26", "start_time": "10:23", "text": "What's like, you know, the worst thing that happened in this journey?" }, { "end_time": "10:33", "start_time": "10:27", "text": "I mean, there are there are lots of lows which you hit in your life." }, { "end_time": "10:35", "start_time": "10:33", "text": "I think I You used to go hungry." }, { "end_time": "10:35", "start_time": "10:35", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "10:38", "start_time": "10:35", "text": "Like, at one point, like, to save money initially?" }, { "end_time": "10:38", "start_time": "10:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:40", "start_time": "10:38", "text": "I did that a lot." }, { "end_time": "10:40", "start_time": "10:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:46", "start_time": "10:40", "text": "I used to, bootstrap in using a lot of different hacks." }, { "end_time": "10:47", "start_time": "10:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:53", "start_time": "10:47", "text": "Bootstrapping is basically where you don't have any money from investors and you're actually all the money you're making for your business, you're putting it back into the business." }, { "end_time": "10:54", "start_time": "10:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:54", "start_time": "10:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:55", "start_time": "10:54", "text": "So go on go on." }, { "end_time": "11:05", "start_time": "10:55", "text": "So couple of incidents I can mention there, but I think, like, overall, it has kind of, affected my health a lot and that's that's something which I'm really concerned about now." }, { "end_time": "11:11", "start_time": "11:05", "text": "And it's not only, you know, a financing because I can afford my food now." }, { "end_time": "11:12", "start_time": "11:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:15", "start_time": "11:12", "text": "But, you basically build a habit of things which is really hard to improve." }, { "end_time": "11:16", "start_time": "11:15", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "11:26", "start_time": "11:16", "text": "And there's there's no time for you to do any kind of, physical activity or things like that or, you just don't, are unable to focus on your health that much." }, { "end_time": "11:28", "start_time": "11:26", "text": "I think that might be my bad habit." }, { "end_time": "11:28", "start_time": "11:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:31", "start_time": "11:28", "text": "It's like I I constantly struggle with sleep." }, { "end_time": "11:32", "start_time": "11:31", "text": "I sleep very less." }, { "end_time": "11:32", "start_time": "11:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:35", "start_time": "11:32", "text": "And people keep telling me to get some more sleep." }, { "end_time": "11:39", "start_time": "11:35", "text": "So I think like I need to focus a lot on that so that's like my back point." }, { "end_time": "11:39", "start_time": "11:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:45", "start_time": "11:39", "text": "So I think for me physical health is not the concern because I think for the nature of my job, I'm a YouTuber." }, { "end_time": "11:46", "start_time": "11:45", "text": "I need to look great." }, { "end_time": "11:47", "start_time": "11:46", "text": "I have to go to the gym." }, { "end_time": "11:49", "start_time": "11:47", "text": "I have to get sleep and I have to eat well." }, { "end_time": "11:53", "start_time": "11:49", "text": "So I kind of look at eating, sleeping, gymming as a part of my job profile." }, { "end_time": "11:59", "start_time": "11:54", "text": "But in saying that, I do feel my personal life has been, like, very affected because of entrepreneurship." }, { "end_time": "12:03", "start_time": "12:00", "text": "Again, I know that now what I'm doing is I'm a YouTuber." }, { "end_time": "12:06", "start_time": "12:03", "text": "So my brand is me, this brand image, my face, my body." }, { "end_time": "12:08", "start_time": "12:06", "text": "I have to take care of these things." }, { "end_time": "12:10", "start_time": "12:09", "text": "Now I'm I'm running a business." }, { "end_time": "12:12", "start_time": "12:10", "text": "I'm doing all these businessy things." }, { "end_time": "12:15", "start_time": "12:12", "text": "I'm running this YouTube brand where I have to take care of my body and face." }, { "end_time": "12:19", "start_time": "12:15", "text": "And in that process, I definitely feel my relationships have been affected." }, { "end_time": "12:22", "start_time": "12:19", "text": "I've lost like a long term But that's again like health, right?" }, { "end_time": "12:23", "start_time": "12:22", "text": "It's like it's affecting your mental health." }, { "end_time": "12:24", "start_time": "12:23", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "12:24", "start_time": "12:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:27", "start_time": "12:24", "text": "I'd I'd probably say it's affecting my mental health." }, { "end_time": "12:34", "start_time": "12:27", "text": "It it definitely, you know, okay I'll tell you what, again I'm deep into yoga, meditation, so all that kind of gives you a backup for your mental health." }, { "end_time": "12:38", "start_time": "12:34", "text": "It helps you take care of your mental health, but you definitely take a lot of punches." }, { "end_time": "12:45", "start_time": "12:38", "text": "For example, I the person I broke up with recently, I would have loved to, like, date that person in the long term, but she's ambitious." }, { "end_time": "12:46", "start_time": "12:45", "text": "I'm ambitious." }, { "end_time": "12:49", "start_time": "12:46", "text": "We can't make time for each other in a long term relationship." }, { "end_time": "13:07", "start_time": "12:49", "text": "And it's like if you ask me a 1000 times would you choose a relationship or would you choose this organization where you're paying for 35 families' income, 35 families' food, is my responsibility to that one person or these 35 people or the 2,000,000 people who are following me on beer by substance and waiting for the value adding content?" }, { "end_time": "13:11", "start_time": "13:07", "text": "So I have 2,035 people on one side and then I have this one person on the other side." }, { "end_time": "13:15", "start_time": "13:11", "text": "As much as I love that one person, responsibility is responsibility." }, { "end_time": "13:22", "start_time": "13:16", "text": "So, anyway, it's like difficult moments like this, which kind of life offers you in this process of entrepreneurship." }, { "end_time": "13:23", "start_time": "13:22", "text": "You just said it." }, { "end_time": "13:24", "start_time": "13:23", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "13:24", "start_time": "13:24", "text": "You have no boss." }, { "end_time": "13:25", "start_time": "13:24", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "13:25", "start_time": "13:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:26", "start_time": "13:25", "text": "I mean exactly." }, { "end_time": "13:30", "start_time": "13:26", "text": "But 22,035 bosses." }, { "end_time": "13:32", "start_time": "13:31", "text": "But yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:34", "start_time": "13:32", "text": "So it's it's it's an intense world, man." }, { "end_time": "13:34", "start_time": "13:34", "text": "But okay." }, { "end_time": "13:36", "start_time": "13:34", "text": "Let's quit the emo talk." }, { "end_time": "13:39", "start_time": "13:36", "text": "Let's talk about practicality because we are heartless entrepreneurs." }, { "end_time": "13:39", "start_time": "13:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:39", "start_time": "13:39", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "13:40", "start_time": "13:40", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "13:41", "start_time": "13:40", "text": "We're not heartless, but Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:43", "start_time": "13:41", "text": "We're we're not heartless." }, { "end_time": "13:43", "start_time": "13:43", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "13:49", "start_time": "13:44", "text": "We're we're just kind of very locked in on this whole career world." }, { "end_time": "13:50", "start_time": "13:49", "text": "He's 23, I'm 26." }, { "end_time": "13:53", "start_time": "13:51", "text": "We're deep in the middle of our careers." }, { "end_time": "13:54", "start_time": "13:53", "text": "Ayush, bro." }, { "end_time": "13:56", "start_time": "13:54", "text": "Akedu wants to begin the start up journey." }, { "end_time": "13:57", "start_time": "13:56", "text": "He wants to launch his own business." }, { "end_time": "13:58", "start_time": "13:58", "text": "What does he do?" }, { "end_time": "13:59", "start_time": "13:58", "text": "Where does he start?" }, { "end_time": "14:02", "start_time": "13:59", "text": "I think, there there are different stages of entrepreneurship." }, { "end_time": "14:06", "start_time": "14:02", "text": "You need to figure out, like, you need to be like a different person in different stages." }, { "end_time": "14:14", "start_time": "14:07", "text": "So when, there's someone starting out early in the entrepreneurial, journey, I think learning is is one of the biggest things." }, { "end_time": "14:21", "start_time": "14:15", "text": "I think one of the things which I did right was that at a very early stage I said that I went out to companies and I said that I'm going to work for you for free." }, { "end_time": "14:22", "start_time": "14:21", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "14:22", "start_time": "14:22", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "14:26", "start_time": "14:22", "text": "For for a short time or, you know, if you want even for a long time." }, { "end_time": "14:28", "start_time": "14:26", "text": "And I used to work for them, like, 18 hours a day." }, { "end_time": "14:28", "start_time": "14:28", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "14:29", "start_time": "14:28", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "14:33", "start_time": "14:29", "text": "And, I just did it for free, but in return I got to learn so much." }, { "end_time": "14:35", "start_time": "14:33", "text": "That was, I say, my college education." }, { "end_time": "14:36", "start_time": "14:35", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "14:44", "start_time": "14:37", "text": "And I think that is something which which, people should focus on just educating yourself with tons and tons of content And writing experience." }, { "end_time": "14:46", "start_time": "14:44", "text": "Reading books and work experience." }, { "end_time": "14:49", "start_time": "14:46", "text": "That is something which which is the biggest thing when it comes to entrepreneurship." }, { "end_time": "14:50", "start_time": "14:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:54", "start_time": "14:50", "text": "Because you learn by practical experiences and of course books, right?" }, { "end_time": "14:54", "start_time": "14:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:55", "start_time": "14:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:55", "start_time": "14:55", "text": "And podcasts?" }, { "end_time": "14:56", "start_time": "14:56", "text": "And podcasts." }, { "end_time": "14:59", "start_time": "14:58", "text": "I had to tell that." }, { "end_time": "15:00", "start_time": "14:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:00", "start_time": "15:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:00", "start_time": "15:00", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "15:00", "start_time": "15:00", "text": "But okay." }, { "end_time": "15:01", "start_time": "15:00", "text": "I'll tell you for real." }, { "end_time": "15:07", "start_time": "15:01", "text": "One big reason we started this podcast is because I've kind of just scanned the last 4 years of my life, and I'm like, okay." }, { "end_time": "15:11", "start_time": "15:07", "text": "What were those, you know, hacks that I used in order to learn more?" }, { "end_time": "15:12", "start_time": "15:11", "text": "And for me, personally, it has been podcast." }, { "end_time": "15:14", "start_time": "15:12", "text": "I've learned business through podcast." }, { "end_time": "15:15", "start_time": "15:14", "text": "They've been my MBA." }, { "end_time": "15:20", "start_time": "15:15", "text": "I think my my content consumption more than, reading or watching has been audio." }, { "end_time": "15:21", "start_time": "15:20", "text": "Oh, really?" }, { "end_time": "15:21", "start_time": "15:21", "text": "Like I yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:22", "start_time": "15:21", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:23", "start_time": "15:22", "text": "I am like very big on Audible now." }, { "end_time": "15:26", "start_time": "15:24", "text": "I used to read books a lot earlier." }, { "end_time": "15:28", "start_time": "15:26", "text": "I think that has increased my book reading speed." }, { "end_time": "15:32", "start_time": "15:28", "text": "And at the same time there are some amazing podcasts by wonderful people." }, { "end_time": "15:33", "start_time": "15:32", "text": "Would you recommend some like me?" }, { "end_time": "15:41", "start_time": "15:33", "text": "So this one by Reid Hoffman which which is, one of my favorite ones and then, Reid Hoffman by the way is founder of LinkedIn." }, { "end_time": "15:46", "start_time": "15:41", "text": "He runs like a wonderful podcast, Masters of Scale." }, { "end_time": "15:52", "start_time": "15:46", "text": "And, there's another one, by a 16z, which is a fund in in US." }, { "end_time": "15:55", "start_time": "15:52", "text": "I'm big fan of that podcast as well." }, { "end_time": "15:55", "start_time": "15:55", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "15:58", "start_time": "15:55", "text": "And there's another one, SaaSter, if you want exported to SaaS world." }, { "end_time": "16:14", "start_time": "15:58", "text": "But I think for someone who is trying to enter the entrepreneurial, journey, just just reading books and trying to get exposure working at any small start up, trying to understand how things work and what are the things which can be done and, hustling." }, { "end_time": "16:17", "start_time": "16:14", "text": "That is, like, one of the most important things at an early stage." }, { "end_time": "16:18", "start_time": "16:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:21", "start_time": "16:18", "text": "Figuring your way out in in a very unconventional way Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:22", "start_time": "16:21", "text": "Is is what you need." }, { "end_time": "16:35", "start_time": "16:22", "text": "So bro, I also feel like, you know, everyone knows that you're supposed to hustle, but when it actually comes to hustling, a lot of people back out thinking that, yeah, meriye meinat say, this hard work that I'm putting in, what is the reward I'm gonna get?" }, { "end_time": "16:45", "start_time": "16:35", "text": "You know, like people always kind of attach a lot of value to immediate reward without understanding that, 1, I personally strongly believe that the universe registers all your hard work." }, { "end_time": "16:58", "start_time": "16:45", "text": "Even, like, when you've cleaned your room floor with a broom, even when you've cried and recorded videos on an s 6 camera and put it up as your first YouTube channel videos, okay, okay, but all that gets, like, recorded somewhere in the universe." }, { "end_time": "16:59", "start_time": "16:58", "text": "That's one way of looking at it." }, { "end_time": "17:09", "start_time": "16:59", "text": "2, any kind of consistent hard work in the long term will teach you a lot of lessons, whether it is industry based lessons or whether it's life lessons." }, { "end_time": "17:09", "start_time": "17:09", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "17:11", "start_time": "17:09", "text": "It's making you stronger humans." }, { "end_time": "17:13", "start_time": "17:11", "text": "So don't shy away from hard work." }, { "end_time": "17:18", "start_time": "17:13", "text": "Even if you think that, yeah, if I'm doing this, there's gonna be no kind of value add in my life." }, { "end_time": "17:20", "start_time": "17:18", "text": "There's gonna be no big result into victory for me." }, { "end_time": "17:21", "start_time": "17:20", "text": "It's okay." }, { "end_time": "17:22", "start_time": "17:21", "text": "Do the mehnat." }, { "end_time": "17:24", "start_time": "17:22", "text": "You know how they go like you should work smart, not work hard?" }, { "end_time": "17:32", "start_time": "17:25", "text": "That applies to people at Ayush's stage who have actually worked hard for, like, 6 years, and you always given priority to working hard and not smart." }, { "end_time": "17:33", "start_time": "17:32", "text": "I need to work hard." }, { "end_time": "17:34", "start_time": "17:33", "text": "Oh, really?" }, { "end_time": "17:34", "start_time": "17:34", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "17:34", "start_time": "17:34", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "17:36", "start_time": "17:34", "text": "And that he's one of the hardest working guys I know." }, { "end_time": "17:41", "start_time": "17:36", "text": "So this is him being modest but really Ayush is like one of the biggest hustlers." }, { "end_time": "17:43", "start_time": "17:41", "text": "He's done a lot of free work for people." }, { "end_time": "17:48", "start_time": "17:44", "text": "I know you as a bro and that's why I'm gonna put this out in the podcast as well." }, { "end_time": "17:51", "start_time": "17:48", "text": "A lot of people have taken advantage of you sometime in the past." }, { "end_time": "17:53", "start_time": "17:52", "text": "You and you agree to that." }, { "end_time": "17:57", "start_time": "17:53", "text": "Like they've been like, this guy he's a hardworking dude so let's use him." }, { "end_time": "17:57", "start_time": "17:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:57", "start_time": "17:57", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "17:59", "start_time": "17:57", "text": "But I think that's a part of the grind, bro." }, { "end_time": "18:00", "start_time": "17:59", "text": "That's true." }, { "end_time": "18:01", "start_time": "18:00", "text": "You've gotta go through that." }, { "end_time": "18:04", "start_time": "18:01", "text": "Later on maybe you can call in favors from those same people." }, { "end_time": "18:08", "start_time": "18:04", "text": "Later on maybe, you know, they become your close friends, associates, business associates." }, { "end_time": "18:11", "start_time": "18:09", "text": "There's this beautiful quote you told quote name." }, { "end_time": "18:16", "start_time": "18:13", "text": "You told me this downstairs that, yeah, never have a bad relationship with anyone." }, { "end_time": "18:21", "start_time": "18:16", "text": "That's a huge part of Indian entrepreneurship that your relationships with other human beings should just be clean." }, { "end_time": "18:23", "start_time": "18:21", "text": "Whatever level they're at." }, { "end_time": "18:23", "start_time": "18:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:23", "start_time": "18:23", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "18:25", "start_time": "18:23", "text": "So would you like to expand on that a little?" }, { "end_time": "18:27", "start_time": "18:25", "text": "Like you're this phase of just doing free of cost work for people." }, { "end_time": "18:28", "start_time": "18:27", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "18:32", "start_time": "18:28", "text": "I think like, so this is something which I very truly believe in." }, { "end_time": "18:34", "start_time": "18:32", "text": "It's the word is serendipity." }, { "end_time": "18:35", "start_time": "18:35", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "18:42", "start_time": "18:35", "text": "Serendipity is that, think of this world as as you know, a a positive future just contributing to." }, { "end_time": "18:52", "start_time": "18:42", "text": "And just assume that you just keep giving back and in some form or the other just just assume that it's going to come back at at some point or the other, right?" }, { "end_time": "19:02", "start_time": "18:52", "text": "So I just believe that, you know, as normal human beings, you should not, screw anyone no matter who they are at what stage they are." }, { "end_time": "19:08", "start_time": "19:02", "text": "You should genuinely, not not do anything back to anyone or or be rude to anyone." }, { "end_time": "19:10", "start_time": "19:08", "text": "It's just because At the same time, give you a 200%." }, { "end_time": "19:11", "start_time": "19:11", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "19:28", "start_time": "19:11", "text": "I mean, agreed, like, you know, I think that's that's just the right thing to do and I think this really adds up because, if you look at the ecosystems, especially the startup ecosystem, and I'm and I don't mean this, only from a business perspective that, you know, do well so that good thing can come to you." }, { "end_time": "19:29", "start_time": "19:28", "text": "That's a very selfish approach." }, { "end_time": "19:32", "start_time": "19:30", "text": "And just saying do well by everyone because that's the right thing to do." }, { "end_time": "19:33", "start_time": "19:32", "text": "That's the rule of life." }, { "end_time": "19:34", "start_time": "19:33", "text": "That's the rule of life." }, { "end_time": "19:34", "start_time": "19:34", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "19:38", "start_time": "19:34", "text": "So, you know I'm deep into yoga and I study a lot of yogic theories." }, { "end_time": "19:45", "start_time": "19:38", "text": "So in the world of yoga, this concept of, one, doing good to the world, you know, just being a good human being, all that." }, { "end_time": "19:47", "start_time": "19:45", "text": "And 2, giving your work your honest 100%." }, { "end_time": "19:55", "start_time": "19:48", "text": "Together, these two things together are called karma yoga, which is like it's a form of yoga as in you'll get spiritual advancement by doing these two things." }, { "end_time": "20:00", "start_time": "19:55", "text": "By being a clean human being, not hurting other people, at the same time being 100% into your work." }, { "end_time": "20:04", "start_time": "20:00", "text": "You do these two things and opportunities will present themselves to you." }, { "end_time": "20:04", "start_time": "20:04", "text": "Agreed." }, { "end_time": "20:09", "start_time": "20:04", "text": "And and bro, I I think you've done your you've dropped out of college at 18 and you're like 24 now, so 6 years." }, { "end_time": "20:19", "start_time": "20:10", "text": "And I've had a 4 year career and both of us would strongly agree with this that yeah, that's all we've done, we've not hurt other human beings and we've given our work our honest 100%." }, { "end_time": "20:33", "start_time": "20:19", "text": "And you know a lot of people when I'm sure this happens to you as well, they come to me and say yeah you know damn good you've done so much in life and I'll be like bro I've been really lucky and then they'll say and then you've not been lucky don't discount your hard work." }, { "end_time": "20:40", "start_time": "20:33", "text": "And then I say that yeah you need to come into my shoes, you need to be in my shoes and understand how many opportunities have just presented themselves to me." }, { "end_time": "20:40", "start_time": "20:40", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "20:42", "start_time": "20:40", "text": "And people don't buy that." }, { "end_time": "20:42", "start_time": "20:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:44", "start_time": "20:42", "text": "I'll I'll actually put my theory on this." }, { "end_time": "20:48", "start_time": "20:44", "text": "I feel that, majority of people so I was very curious when I was, like, younger." }, { "end_time": "20:55", "start_time": "20:48", "text": "I would just go to people and ask them, you know, what what's the most important, thing which you think, helped you out." }, { "end_time": "20:59", "start_time": "20:55", "text": "Majority of people just came of this thing that I I got lucky I got lucky." }, { "end_time": "21:03", "start_time": "20:59", "text": "And I was, like, very confused that how can every good person be lucky." }, { "end_time": "21:03", "start_time": "21:03", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "21:10", "start_time": "21:03", "text": "So I think, there's this thing that you need to work hard to put yourself in positions where you can get lucky." }, { "end_time": "21:10", "start_time": "21:10", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "21:10", "start_time": "21:10", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "21:15", "start_time": "21:10", "text": "So it's like there are 2 people in the room sitting, throwing darts at at a wall, right, at a target." }, { "end_time": "21:21", "start_time": "21:16", "text": "Now if you throw 2 darts versus someone else who's throwing 10 darts Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "21:24", "start_time": "21:21", "text": "And you say that the person throwing 10 darts got lucky in a dark room." }, { "end_time": "21:24", "start_time": "21:24", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "21:25", "start_time": "21:24", "text": "He hit the target." }, { "end_time": "21:26", "start_time": "21:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:27", "start_time": "21:26", "text": "And you just threw 2." }, { "end_time": "21:27", "start_time": "21:27", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "21:32", "start_time": "21:27", "text": "So it's basically putting yourself in how many positions that you can get the opportunity." }, { "end_time": "21:32", "start_time": "21:32", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "21:34", "start_time": "21:32", "text": "So Which comes out of honest hard work." }, { "end_time": "21:35", "start_time": "21:34", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "21:37", "start_time": "21:35", "text": "And not worrying about immediate outcomes." }, { "end_time": "21:40", "start_time": "21:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:43", "start_time": "21:40", "text": "We had a lot of people at Monk Entertainment when we had started working." }, { "end_time": "21:59", "start_time": "21:43", "text": "A lot of the early recruits, a lot of, you know, core members in the team who left within a couple of months because I think when you start a startup at the early stage, there is only one kind of human being who can survive in an early stage startup and that's the kind of human being who's capable of eating dirt." }, { "end_time": "22:03", "start_time": "22:01", "text": "He'll laugh it up, he'll say okay, give it to him, you know." }, { "end_time": "22:04", "start_time": "22:03", "text": "I'll do it." }, { "end_time": "22:11", "start_time": "22:04", "text": "And anyone who can't, whether that is a founder of a startup, whether that is a lowest level employee, they can't survive in a startup." }, { "end_time": "22:20", "start_time": "22:11", "text": "Because in an early stage startup, you need to be ready to take insults from your own parents, from society, from your friends, from the people you're working with, from the companies that you're working with." }, { "end_time": "22:22", "start_time": "22:20", "text": "There's insults from everywhere, there's doubts from everywhere." }, { "end_time": "22:33", "start_time": "22:23", "text": "There is obviously very difficult situations where you think that but the people who can survive that are true start up people." }, { "end_time": "22:34", "start_time": "22:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:35", "start_time": "22:34", "text": "That's what I genuinely believe." }, { "end_time": "22:35", "start_time": "22:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:36", "start_time": "22:35", "text": "It's it's just a new path." }, { "end_time": "22:36", "start_time": "22:36", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "22:39", "start_time": "22:36", "text": "It's it's the path which hasn't been explored yet." }, { "end_time": "22:54", "start_time": "22:39", "text": "So I think, it's just I think one of the things which, people like these which which, they should believe in it, which I kind of felt that really helped me a lot was that, you have to remember that you are in it to run, the marathon and not a sprint." }, { "end_time": "22:54", "start_time": "22:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:54", "start_time": "22:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:55", "start_time": "22:54", "text": "And you are in it to win it." }, { "end_time": "22:56", "start_time": "22:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:56", "start_time": "22:56", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "22:58", "start_time": "22:56", "text": "So it's like towards the end of the game you are going to win it Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:59", "start_time": "22:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:00", "start_time": "22:59", "text": "And you are running a marathon." }, { "end_time": "23:03", "start_time": "23:00", "text": "So people who think that you are running a sprint are looking for results Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:07", "start_time": "23:03", "text": "But you know that it's going to come late but it'll come at some point." }, { "end_time": "23:07", "start_time": "23:07", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "23:09", "start_time": "23:08", "text": "Bro, so okay." }, { "end_time": "23:16", "start_time": "23:09", "text": "This is again the reality of startups but what the college kid watching this wants to learn is where will I get my idea for the startup?" }, { "end_time": "23:17", "start_time": "23:16", "text": "They want specific ideas." }, { "end_time": "23:20", "start_time": "23:18", "text": "So I'm not saying that we give people ideas but what I am asking Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:24", "start_time": "23:20", "text": "Ayush Jaiswal is bro, you're very educated in the start up world." }, { "end_time": "23:28", "start_time": "23:25", "text": "Give people very good industries, you know, which is a starting point for them." }, { "end_time": "23:37", "start_time": "23:28", "text": "So if there is 10 college kids watching this, give them, like, 4 or 5 options about industries which they should look into to begin their own start up journey." }, { "end_time": "23:37", "start_time": "23:37", "text": "Interesting." }, { "end_time": "23:44", "start_time": "23:37", "text": "So I think, so there are like a lot of, and as as I said that when you're starting out early, you should always think that you're running a marathon." }, { "end_time": "23:47", "start_time": "23:44", "text": "And if you're running a marathon, you should build for future." }, { "end_time": "23:47", "start_time": "23:47", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "23:51", "start_time": "23:47", "text": "You should build for what what are things going going to be like in next 3 to 5 years." }, { "end_time": "23:51", "start_time": "23:51", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "23:56", "start_time": "23:51", "text": "And not what's today because by the time you build it you'll be irrelevant, right?" }, { "end_time": "24:00", "start_time": "23:56", "text": "And and the world is moving too fast so you should always look for the future." }, { "end_time": "24:08", "start_time": "24:01", "text": "I think, for someone starting out early there are there are certain certain changes which is happening around the world." }, { "end_time": "24:11", "start_time": "24:08", "text": "One of that is remote work, right." }, { "end_time": "24:16", "start_time": "24:11", "text": "The the office culture, the the, People coming together and sitting in one place." }, { "end_time": "24:28", "start_time": "24:16", "text": "The trend of people coming together to an office space to work in a company is slowly getting getting away and the idea of distributed teams is coming in because some people like working from the beaches, right." }, { "end_time": "24:33", "start_time": "24:28", "text": "So because of that, lot of fundamental changes are going on." }, { "end_time": "24:39", "start_time": "24:33", "text": "A 16 z says SAS is going to eat the world and that is kind of like always been been a thing." }, { "end_time": "24:40", "start_time": "24:39", "text": "What does that mean?" }, { "end_time": "24:42", "start_time": "24:40", "text": "SAS is software as a service." }, { "end_time": "24:47", "start_time": "24:42", "text": "So building softwares which can kind of help you integrate as a remote person Okay." }, { "end_time": "24:48", "start_time": "24:48", "text": "Into a team." }, { "end_time": "24:50", "start_time": "24:48", "text": "You can't make it better." }, { "end_time": "24:50", "start_time": "24:50", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "24:55", "start_time": "24:51", "text": "So artificial intelligence is another technology which is changing, many different industries." }, { "end_time": "24:56", "start_time": "24:55", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "24:58", "start_time": "24:56", "text": "So it's another another industry worth exploring." }, { "end_time": "24:58", "start_time": "24:58", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "25:05", "start_time": "24:58", "text": "But so you're saying SaaS is basically like you're replacing a human being with a machine that can do the same human task?" }, { "end_time": "25:07", "start_time": "25:05", "text": "So SaaS is basically it's a software as a service." }, { "end_time": "25:14", "start_time": "25:07", "text": "It's basically, a website or an app which helps you communicate better or helps you do any kind of task better Okay." }, { "end_time": "25:14", "start_time": "25:14", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "25:17", "start_time": "25:14", "text": "Which you have to pay for, you know, on a monthly basis." }, { "end_time": "25:23", "start_time": "25:18", "text": "And AI on the other hand is another technology which is, completely revolutionizing many other industries." }, { "end_time": "25:23", "start_time": "25:23", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "25:24", "start_time": "25:23", "text": "So it's like No." }, { "end_time": "25:25", "start_time": "25:24", "text": "But okay." }, { "end_time": "25:26", "start_time": "25:25", "text": "So AI is artificial intelligence Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:29", "start_time": "25:27", "text": "But what is it really?" }, { "end_time": "25:35", "start_time": "25:29", "text": "Like, you know, for an average kid, everyone knows it's basically machines that are capable of thinking like human beings, taking up human jobs." }, { "end_time": "25:37", "start_time": "25:35", "text": "That's the layman's understanding of it." }, { "end_time": "25:41", "start_time": "25:37", "text": "But 1, in 2019, where does AI stand?" }, { "end_time": "25:49", "start_time": "25:41", "text": "And 2, when will we actually start seeing that iRobot style world, you know, where where there are machines doing all your household tasks and all that." }, { "end_time": "25:53", "start_time": "25:49", "text": "Obviously, initially it'll just be in businesses then it'll go out to consumers, it'll go out to the general public." }, { "end_time": "25:53", "start_time": "25:53", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "25:59", "start_time": "25:53", "text": "So again, you were saying your first industry to look at is this whole remote work industry." }, { "end_time": "26:05", "start_time": "26:01", "text": "So, the second and the second industry would be maybe AI?" }, { "end_time": "26:05", "start_time": "26:05", "text": "AI." }, { "end_time": "26:05", "start_time": "26:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:06", "start_time": "26:05", "text": "Maybe AI." }, { "end_time": "26:08", "start_time": "26:06", "text": "So AI, I'll I'll just give a brief of this." }, { "end_time": "26:11", "start_time": "26:08", "text": "So, I think movies have made people think a lot." }, { "end_time": "26:11", "start_time": "26:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:12", "start_time": "26:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:18", "start_time": "26:12", "text": "But, you're not you're not talking about West World with with robots working on the roads, but, that might actually happen also." }, { "end_time": "26:19", "start_time": "26:19", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "26:24", "start_time": "26:19", "text": "At some point, we do have robots, by the way, but not humanoid robots." }, { "end_time": "26:32", "start_time": "26:24", "text": "But, I think AI is think of it as as, you know, softwares which can, take decisions based on data, right?" }, { "end_time": "26:34", "start_time": "26:32", "text": "Like Janus from Ironman." }, { "end_time": "26:38", "start_time": "26:34", "text": "You could you could maybe say, like, to make it fancy." }, { "end_time": "26:41", "start_time": "26:38", "text": "But, yeah, that is kind of making things way more efficient." }, { "end_time": "26:42", "start_time": "26:42", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "26:47", "start_time": "26:42", "text": "And, it it is kind of like creating, that sort of impact in in many different industries." }, { "end_time": "26:54", "start_time": "26:47", "text": "Like, one cool example of that is, is, you know, for example, Facebook's AI algorithm or or TikTok." }, { "end_time": "26:54", "start_time": "26:54", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "26:56", "start_time": "26:54", "text": "It's like one of the best examples." }, { "end_time": "26:56", "start_time": "26:56", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "26:58", "start_time": "26:56", "text": "TikTok has an AI algorithm in built." }, { "end_time": "26:58", "start_time": "26:58", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "26:59", "start_time": "26:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:00", "start_time": "26:59", "text": "Which understands the user base." }, { "end_time": "27:04", "start_time": "27:00", "text": "It's actually one of the best, you know, AI social companies in the world." }, { "end_time": "27:07", "start_time": "27:04", "text": "Like, as in if you're using TikTok for a while, say you're using it for a day." }, { "end_time": "27:10", "start_time": "27:07", "text": "So TikTok understands you, wait, this person likes this kind of content." }, { "end_time": "27:10", "start_time": "27:10", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "27:19", "start_time": "27:10", "text": "And then that that they'll push push you more of like content like that and then we have In the mainstream, that's where AI stands right now that, it's softwares." }, { "end_time": "27:23", "start_time": "27:19", "text": "It's like things that basically improve the experiences of apps or services." }, { "end_time": "27:24", "start_time": "27:24", "text": "That's true." }, { "end_time": "27:31", "start_time": "27:25", "text": "And, there is I mean, self driving cars are a thing now and all those things are there." }, { "end_time": "27:49", "start_time": "27:32", "text": "Now what's happening what's what's interesting is, that Elon Musk's company called Neuralink just launched a a a a news thing, where they said that they are going to integrate machines with human brain starting next year." }, { "end_time": "27:50", "start_time": "27:49", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "27:52", "start_time": "27:50", "text": "So that that will be interesting to see." }, { "end_time": "27:54", "start_time": "27:52", "text": "I think the machines also have emotions and feelings?" }, { "end_time": "27:55", "start_time": "27:54", "text": "Oh, no." }, { "end_time": "27:55", "start_time": "27:55", "text": "Humans." }, { "end_time": "27:59", "start_time": "27:55", "text": "Oh, humans will have They are going to implant something in your brain." }, { "end_time": "27:59", "start_time": "27:59", "text": "Oh, okay." }, { "end_time": "28:02", "start_time": "27:59", "text": "Using which you'll be able to control, things." }, { "end_time": "28:02", "start_time": "28:02", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "28:03", "start_time": "28:02", "text": "Like, devices." }, { "end_time": "28:04", "start_time": "28:03", "text": "Like black man." }, { "end_time": "28:04", "start_time": "28:04", "text": "So that's what that's what they care." }, { "end_time": "28:05", "start_time": "28:04", "text": "I heard a black man." }, { "end_time": "28:06", "start_time": "28:05", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "28:06", "start_time": "28:06", "text": "Oh, yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:12", "start_time": "28:07", "text": "So that that will be exciting to see, I mean, it's first in the news and, you know, we are all curious about that." }, { "end_time": "28:15", "start_time": "28:12", "text": "We just When do you think, like, this will be a reality?" }, { "end_time": "28:16", "start_time": "28:15", "text": "Say 2025, 2030s?" }, { "end_time": "28:17", "start_time": "28:17", "text": "Way sooner." }, { "end_time": "28:18", "start_time": "28:18", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "28:18", "start_time": "28:18", "text": "Really?" }, { "end_time": "28:19", "start_time": "28:18", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "28:23", "start_time": "28:19", "text": "So Neuralink is supposed to get launched next year, 2020." }, { "end_time": "28:23", "start_time": "28:23", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "28:28", "start_time": "28:23", "text": "And it's like the future is here and it's it's it's happening at a very fast pace." }, { "end_time": "28:28", "start_time": "28:28", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "28:29", "start_time": "28:28", "text": "So it's it's crazy." }, { "end_time": "28:35", "start_time": "28:30", "text": "Another another thing which which I feel pretty excited about is AR and VR." }, { "end_time": "28:39", "start_time": "28:35", "text": "I think that is, something which is Augmented reality and virtual reality." }, { "end_time": "28:40", "start_time": "28:39", "text": "Augmented reality and virtual reality." }, { "end_time": "28:40", "start_time": "28:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:45", "start_time": "28:40", "text": "It's like if you've seen, like, people with huge headsets, that's virtual reality." }, { "end_time": "28:47", "start_time": "28:45", "text": "I think AR is more exciting at this point." }, { "end_time": "28:47", "start_time": "28:47", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "28:57", "start_time": "28:47", "text": "But AR is basically you're taking your, say, Snapchat camera or you're taking a camera and you basically put it on this table and you'll be able to see a bunny rabbit on the table or whatever." }, { "end_time": "28:58", "start_time": "28:57", "text": "Like Things like that." }, { "end_time": "28:58", "start_time": "28:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:58", "start_time": "28:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:59", "start_time": "28:58", "text": "Different applications to that?" }, { "end_time": "29:01", "start_time": "28:59", "text": "Fake facial hair or something on your face." }, { "end_time": "29:01", "start_time": "29:01", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "29:02", "start_time": "29:01", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "29:03", "start_time": "29:02", "text": "You can you can yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:06", "start_time": "29:03", "text": "That's the social media aspect of what AR can do." }, { "end_time": "29:06", "start_time": "29:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:08", "start_time": "29:06", "text": "What are the other applications of something like AR?" }, { "end_time": "29:15", "start_time": "29:08", "text": "There's a very cool company which I knew, from Israel, which got acquired by, another one in SF." }, { "end_time": "29:18", "start_time": "29:15", "text": "So what they do is that they basically help you buy furniture." }, { "end_time": "29:29", "start_time": "29:18", "text": "So just imagine you can pull off your camera, look at your entire room, and select the furniture, from the app which looks good in your room and then buy all of it at once." }, { "end_time": "29:29", "start_time": "29:29", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "29:34", "start_time": "29:29", "text": "So that's like another cool application of, you know, how AR can help you buy furniture, for example." }, { "end_time": "29:40", "start_time": "29:35", "text": "Clothes or basically anything that I think you'd purchase and use in your own human life." }, { "end_time": "29:40", "start_time": "29:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:49", "start_time": "29:40", "text": "Another friend of mine, Meghna is working on a mirror which is basically, you can stand in front of a mirror and you can try any kinds of jewelry." }, { "end_time": "29:49", "start_time": "29:49", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "29:50", "start_time": "29:49", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "29:50", "start_time": "29:50", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "29:50", "start_time": "29:50", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "29:52", "start_time": "29:50", "text": "So that's like Again, you get to know exactly." }, { "end_time": "29:54", "start_time": "29:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:54", "start_time": "29:54", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "29:54", "start_time": "29:54", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "29:56", "start_time": "29:54", "text": "What other industries like popping?" }, { "end_time": "29:57", "start_time": "29:56", "text": "Would you would you okay." }, { "end_time": "29:59", "start_time": "29:57", "text": "I'll I'll I'll come in to you." }, { "end_time": "30:08", "start_time": "29:59", "text": "One, we obviously keep talking about influencer marketing, how it's like the biggest thing, which is pretty much what you see YouTubers do, you know, when we do brand deals on our YouTube, there's massive money in it." }, { "end_time": "30:17", "start_time": "30:09", "text": "There is digital marketing because every single business in the world is, like, kind of moving to digital now and everybody needs a marketing strategy." }, { "end_time": "30:37", "start_time": "30:17", "text": "Another huge industry that you can get into both as a provider of the service and actually kind of utilizing this service for yourself is this whole concept of personal branding which is basically okay now you're Ayush Jaiswal, you run Pesto, but at the same time you're running an Ayush Jaiswal brand which is that you're an entrepreneur who is running a company called Pesto." }, { "end_time": "30:46", "start_time": "30:37", "text": "And then you just put up your real life on Instagram, you put up your real life on YouTube, you put up the stories of Pesto and say that listen I mentored them that becomes Ayush Jai as well personal branding." }, { "end_time": "30:56", "start_time": "30:46", "text": "So we're already seeing a lot of personal branding coaches today and again going forward personal branding is going to be a crucial requirement for many entrepreneurs, for many motivational speakers." }, { "end_time": "30:58", "start_time": "30:56", "text": "There's gonna be a lot of applications of this." }, { "end_time": "31:00", "start_time": "30:58", "text": "Any other industry that's coming to your head?" }, { "end_time": "31:06", "start_time": "31:00", "text": "I I think lot of industries, the content space in general in India is is very exciting." }, { "end_time": "31:06", "start_time": "31:06", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "31:08", "start_time": "31:06", "text": "Video content you're saying?" }, { "end_time": "31:10", "start_time": "31:08", "text": "Video audio, I think both." }, { "end_time": "31:13", "start_time": "31:10", "text": "I think, audio is more exciting." }, { "end_time": "31:13", "start_time": "31:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:14", "start_time": "31:13", "text": "Like podcast." }, { "end_time": "31:24", "start_time": "31:15", "text": "But, I I think what has happened in India since last 2 to 3 years with with Jio coming in putting so many people on on the Internet engine." }, { "end_time": "31:24", "start_time": "31:24", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "31:28", "start_time": "31:24", "text": "And that has kind of given, rise to this entire point in industry Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:29", "start_time": "31:28", "text": "Which I believe is exciting." }, { "end_time": "31:31", "start_time": "31:29", "text": "Not only for India, but but for the world." }, { "end_time": "31:40", "start_time": "31:32", "text": "And that's, like, you know, worth and I think the barrier to entry is so low in that that, that's like something which youngsters Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:42", "start_time": "31:40", "text": "Can kind of, like, explore early on in their careers." }, { "end_time": "31:47", "start_time": "31:42", "text": "And if nothing, they'll just learn a bunch of things in the content space." }, { "end_time": "31:47", "start_time": "31:47", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "31:58", "start_time": "31:47", "text": "Like, that's what if I lose my job tomorrow, I know that I've got so many skills that I'll be able to get absorbed by some marketing company, some digital company, but I won't because I take care of my career." }, { "end_time": "31:59", "start_time": "31:58", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "32:05", "start_time": "31:59", "text": "So that was basically your kind of a brief amount of options for you guys to choose from, you know." }, { "end_time": "32:08", "start_time": "32:05", "text": "So, Ayush says that find your own path." }, { "end_time": "32:11", "start_time": "32:08", "text": "I personally say that what worked for me was actually working in a business." }, { "end_time": "32:18", "start_time": "32:11", "text": "I worked in an old school business, which is my uncle's engineering factory, and that taught me one crucial lesson that any business in the world is doable." }, { "end_time": "32:20", "start_time": "32:19", "text": "It just boils down to common sense." }, { "end_time": "32:26", "start_time": "32:20", "text": "You take a few correct decisions and you'll be able to create anything, you know, like a lot of people." }, { "end_time": "32:29", "start_time": "32:26", "text": "For example, I'm sure that when you started Pesto, you just had this idea, okay, wait." }, { "end_time": "32:31", "start_time": "32:29", "text": "Maybe I'll spread education." }, { "end_time": "32:35", "start_time": "32:31", "text": "Maybe, you know, I'll educate people and then we'll be able to create a business model out of that." }, { "end_time": "32:41", "start_time": "32:35", "text": "Pesto didn't exist at one point in reality, but you had that, you know, you had the balls basically to think that I'll be able to do this." }, { "end_time": "32:43", "start_time": "32:41", "text": "And then you kept executing on it." }, { "end_time": "32:44", "start_time": "32:43", "text": "You kept doing things." }, { "end_time": "32:48", "start_time": "32:44", "text": "And then one day Pesto gets built, it gets a 2,000,000 funding, all that." }, { "end_time": "32:52", "start_time": "32:48", "text": "A fantastic TV show that I'd recommend is the show called Silicon Valley." }, { "end_time": "32:55", "start_time": "32:52", "text": "So it's the American version of pictures." }, { "end_time": "32:57", "start_time": "32:55", "text": "It's one of the shows that's incredibly funny and it's a little stupid." }, { "end_time": "33:04", "start_time": "32:57", "text": "It's got a lot of shit humor, piss humor, all that, but at the same time it's extremely educational, like it'll teach you a lot." }, { "end_time": "33:07", "start_time": "33:04", "text": "You know, you'll understand how the whole startup world works." }, { "end_time": "33:09", "start_time": "33:07", "text": "Again, but that's the American startup world." }, { "end_time": "33:10", "start_time": "33:09", "text": "Let's come back to the Indian startup world." }, { "end_time": "33:20", "start_time": "33:10", "text": "Ayush, to start a business in India, once you have your idea, okay, say suppose you've worked at a company, you've understood okay, maybe your business chalaga, Then what is your next step?" }, { "end_time": "33:22", "start_time": "33:20", "text": "You know, how do you actually start a business?" }, { "end_time": "33:22", "start_time": "33:22", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "33:29", "start_time": "33:22", "text": "So I'll just, kind of, tell talk more about finding the idea or or Okay." }, { "end_time": "33:29", "start_time": "33:29", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "33:31", "start_time": "33:29", "text": "I I think that time is gone." }, { "end_time": "33:39", "start_time": "33:31", "text": "It was the Internet bubble in, early 2000s when you were in that dotcom bubble where you had to kind of, you know, do this." }, { "end_time": "33:42", "start_time": "33:39", "text": "So create, like, you know, do booking for hotels." }, { "end_time": "33:44", "start_time": "33:42", "text": "So you create, like, you know A website that does that." }, { "end_time": "33:46", "start_time": "33:44", "text": "X.com, which which does that." }, { "end_time": "33:46", "start_time": "33:46", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "33:50", "start_time": "33:46", "text": "So I think that time of where idea was a thing is long gone." }, { "end_time": "33:58", "start_time": "33:51", "text": "So we need to kind of stop thinking from idea perspective because it's more about how do you create more value for the customer Problem solving perspective." }, { "end_time": "33:59", "start_time": "33:58", "text": "Problem solving perspective." }, { "end_time": "34:09", "start_time": "34:00", "text": "Now when it comes to problem solving perspective, people start looking for problems, right, that, if you can find a problem then I'm going to solve it and then customers will pay for it." }, { "end_time": "34:23", "start_time": "34:09", "text": "I think that's also a wrong approach, which which, at least by my experience which I had, I kind of think about it this way, that, I and I remember this quote from Ford, right, the founder of, Ford, the car company." }, { "end_time": "34:29", "start_time": "34:23", "text": "He said that if I ask the customers what they want, then the post then the people would have asked for a faster horse." }, { "end_time": "34:31", "start_time": "34:30", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "34:32", "start_time": "34:31", "text": "I decided to create a car." }, { "end_time": "34:34", "start_time": "34:32", "text": "Because that time there was just horse carriages and all." }, { "end_time": "34:35", "start_time": "34:34", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "34:53", "start_time": "34:35", "text": "So if you look for the problems, you're going to look at it from everyone's perspective, but start ups are usually built in a way where you try to make things more efficient, try to find better ways of doing things and one day you find so much better way of doing something that the previous way of doing it looks like a problem." }, { "end_time": "34:53", "start_time": "34:53", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "34:54", "start_time": "34:53", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "35:00", "start_time": "34:54", "text": "For example, Paytm happened, right, but recharging your phone wasn't that difficult, any panwala would do that." }, { "end_time": "35:01", "start_time": "35:00", "text": "Right outside your house." }, { "end_time": "35:01", "start_time": "35:01", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "35:03", "start_time": "35:01", "text": "Who would also accept cash." }, { "end_time": "35:03", "start_time": "35:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:03", "start_time": "35:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:04", "start_time": "35:03", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "35:08", "start_time": "35:04", "text": "So it was easy, It wasn't that difficult, right." }, { "end_time": "35:08", "start_time": "35:08", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "35:12", "start_time": "35:08", "text": "But then after p d n came in, it suddenly looks like a problem." }, { "end_time": "35:12", "start_time": "35:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:12", "start_time": "35:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:13", "start_time": "35:12", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "35:17", "start_time": "35:13", "text": "So it's like you should look to make things much more efficient." }, { "end_time": "35:17", "start_time": "35:17", "text": "Uh-huh." }, { "end_time": "35:21", "start_time": "35:17", "text": "And there's a delta for theory by Kunal Shah which is which is pretty amazing." }, { "end_time": "35:29", "start_time": "35:21", "text": "Says that if you look at the previous way of doing things give it a rating from 0 to 10, then look at the new way of doing things give it a rating from 0 to 10." }, { "end_time": "35:35", "start_time": "35:29", "text": "If the delta between both these way of doing things is more than 4 then you have found something which is of value." }, { "end_time": "35:36", "start_time": "35:35", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "35:37", "start_time": "35:36", "text": "Which will make money." }, { "end_time": "35:38", "start_time": "35:37", "text": "Which will eventually make money." }, { "end_time": "35:38", "start_time": "35:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:38", "start_time": "35:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:43", "start_time": "35:38", "text": "So you basically need to figure out something which which creates value and if you're creating value, your customers will pay for it." }, { "end_time": "35:44", "start_time": "35:43", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "35:45", "start_time": "35:44", "text": "The value has to be there." }, { "end_time": "35:45", "start_time": "35:45", "text": "Beautiful." }, { "end_time": "35:47", "start_time": "35:45", "text": "So I think that's what you need to look for." }, { "end_time": "35:53", "start_time": "35:47", "text": "And again, that will come by kind of keeping your eyes and ears open also to problems, to what's going around." }, { "end_time": "35:54", "start_time": "35:53", "text": "Keep your mind active." }, { "end_time": "35:57", "start_time": "35:54", "text": "Listen to these business style podcast because, go on." }, { "end_time": "36:04", "start_time": "35:58", "text": "I'll just mention something here that, what what you should look for is something which you deeply care about." }, { "end_time": "36:13", "start_time": "36:04", "text": "I mean, not not for a problem, but for a cause which which you stand for, and then you try to figure out, a way to do something for them." }, { "end_time": "36:15", "start_time": "36:13", "text": "For example, like, I deeply care about education." }, { "end_time": "36:16", "start_time": "36:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:27", "start_time": "36:16", "text": "And because I went through that, I had that background, I suffered, through that, you know, semester when I really want to drop out and I didn't really feel good in college." }, { "end_time": "36:28", "start_time": "36:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:32", "start_time": "36:28", "text": "Nobody was allowing me to I wanted to learn engineering, but I couldn't and all of that." }, { "end_time": "36:32", "start_time": "36:32", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "36:40", "start_time": "36:32", "text": "So I feel that, I was really deeply, emotionally vested into and I can I have that emotional connect Yeah?" }, { "end_time": "36:41", "start_time": "36:40", "text": "With all the engineers." }, { "end_time": "36:46", "start_time": "36:41", "text": "Like, when I'm meeting a developer, and I feel like, bro, you're a brother to me." }, { "end_time": "36:54", "start_time": "36:46", "text": "Like, you know, I have that, connect and I'm very passionate about that, which eventually Translated into a business." }, { "end_time": "36:54", "start_time": "36:54", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "37:02", "start_time": "36:55", "text": "And it kind of, like, made me hold on to this in the toughest times, when it was, very easy to give up." }, { "end_time": "37:02", "start_time": "37:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "37:03", "start_time": "37:02", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "37:09", "start_time": "37:03", "text": "So finding that emotional cause So I think I think the world's biggest businesses generally are what they called purpose driven." }, { "end_time": "37:17", "start_time": "37:09", "text": "That your purpose was to like affect the education system in a way, create this parallel version of education, parallel version of employment." }, { "end_time": "37:21", "start_time": "37:18", "text": "Anyway, coming back to how to actually start a business, bro." }, { "end_time": "37:24", "start_time": "37:21", "text": "In this country, what are the logistics like?" }, { "end_time": "37:25", "start_time": "37:24", "text": "What is the paperwork required?" }, { "end_time": "37:26", "start_time": "37:25", "text": "So I'll tell you how we started monkey." }, { "end_time": "37:29", "start_time": "37:27", "text": "We actually hired an agent to just do all of it for us." }, { "end_time": "37:32", "start_time": "37:29", "text": "Like, we didn't we didn't take up any of the official work." }, { "end_time": "37:33", "start_time": "37:32", "text": "We knew what's happening." }, { "end_time": "37:34", "start_time": "37:33", "text": "We were just aware ki haan." }, { "end_time": "37:35", "start_time": "37:34", "text": "These are this is the paperwork required." }, { "end_time": "37:37", "start_time": "37:35", "text": "You need to give a PAN card, a LAR card, whatever." }, { "end_time": "37:39", "start_time": "37:38", "text": "You need to fill it up." }, { "end_time": "37:44", "start_time": "37:39", "text": "Once your business is set up, then you understand a little bit about the business world, like, what is the meaning of proprietorship?" }, { "end_time": "37:46", "start_time": "37:44", "text": "What is the meaning of private limited?" }, { "end_time": "37:47", "start_time": "37:46", "text": "You know, things like that." }, { "end_time": "37:49", "start_time": "37:48", "text": "What is the meaning of equity?" }, { "end_time": "37:50", "start_time": "37:49", "text": "Equity means your shares." }, { "end_time": "37:55", "start_time": "37:50", "text": "So I assume we are starting a business tomorrow if we are 50 50 partners, he owns 50% equity, I own 50% equity." }, { "end_time": "37:59", "start_time": "37:55", "text": "So there's these little business y terms that you understand once you actually dive in." }, { "end_time": "38:05", "start_time": "37:59", "text": "A lot of people fear these business y terms thinking that you are my kesesikunga, you know, it's it's way beyond me." }, { "end_time": "38:06", "start_time": "38:05", "text": "But once you actually get to it, it's very simple." }, { "end_time": "38:07", "start_time": "38:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "38:11", "start_time": "38:07", "text": "So what was your path where you had to actually start your own danda?" }, { "end_time": "38:11", "start_time": "38:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "38:23", "start_time": "38:12", "text": "I remember that, during my college days I used to, like, sell projects, take out, when my clients would ask me for an MOU or or any of the other contract names which I didn't know." }, { "end_time": "38:26", "start_time": "38:23", "text": "I I used to act like I am understanding what they say talking about." }, { "end_time": "38:33", "start_time": "38:27", "text": "Just like, okay, I'll I'll get that delivered, and then I would just go back and Google it and try to, like, create a contract out of that." }, { "end_time": "38:35", "start_time": "38:34", "text": "I think it's it's fairly simple." }, { "end_time": "38:38", "start_time": "38:35", "text": "If you just do your research on Google, you'll get to know about it." }, { "end_time": "38:46", "start_time": "38:38", "text": "If you really want to understand a to z of start up, all the legal terms, there's a book which I highly recommend every entrepreneur to read." }, { "end_time": "38:49", "start_time": "38:46", "text": "It's called venture deals by Brett Feld." }, { "end_time": "38:49", "start_time": "38:49", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "38:50", "start_time": "38:50", "text": "Amazing book." }, { "end_time": "38:55", "start_time": "38:50", "text": "Talks about entire, you know, stuff everything which you need to know as an entrepreneur Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "38:57", "start_time": "38:56", "text": "To be able to talk to lawyers even." }, { "end_time": "38:57", "start_time": "38:57", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "38:59", "start_time": "38:57", "text": "So I think that's that's the biggest one." }, { "end_time": "39:04", "start_time": "38:59", "text": "But I think when you're starting out early, it's it's not your job really." }, { "end_time": "39:05", "start_time": "39:04", "text": "Like, your job is to find value." }, { "end_time": "39:07", "start_time": "39:05", "text": "Your job is to create Focus on the business side." }, { "end_time": "39:08", "start_time": "39:07", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "39:13", "start_time": "39:08", "text": "And and wasting a lot of times in, into getting, you know, into complexities of these things Yeah." }, { "end_time": "39:14", "start_time": "39:14", "text": "Hurts you more." }, { "end_time": "39:15", "start_time": "39:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "39:22", "start_time": "39:15", "text": "So I think the simplest way is to either establish a proprietary firm or a partnership firm which takes, like, you know, less than couple of days." }, { "end_time": "39:30", "start_time": "39:23", "text": "It's it's pretty quick and, you can basically start, the business, get a bank account, and and start getting clients." }, { "end_time": "39:32", "start_time": "39:30", "text": "I think that's the quickest way to start." }, { "end_time": "39:37", "start_time": "39:32", "text": "And once you figure out that you have found something which you really want to do and you want to make this yeah." }, { "end_time": "39:47", "start_time": "39:37", "text": "You know, it's like a proper company and maybe, raise funds in it or things like that, then you should go ahead and establish your private limited fund, private limited company." }, { "end_time": "39:47", "start_time": "39:47", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "39:48", "start_time": "39:47", "text": "So on and so forth." }, { "end_time": "39:50", "start_time": "39:48", "text": "Initially, do your basics." }, { "end_time": "39:51", "start_time": "39:50", "text": "Set up the business." }, { "end_time": "39:52", "start_time": "39:51", "text": "Make some money." }, { "end_time": "39:53", "start_time": "39:52", "text": "Like, I think that's For sure." }, { "end_time": "40:00", "start_time": "39:53", "text": "That's the other huge mistake that you see so many Indian entrepreneurs make, which is that they don't focus on profitability." }, { "end_time": "40:03", "start_time": "40:00", "text": "They don't focus on, okay, how do I run this bhanda?" }, { "end_time": "40:07", "start_time": "40:03", "text": "As in they, kind of lose a lot of money or they spend it where it shouldn't be spent." }, { "end_time": "40:09", "start_time": "40:07", "text": "They're not careful about their cash flows." }, { "end_time": "40:18", "start_time": "40:10", "text": "So firstly, even if you want to raise money going forward from investors, you need to show them that, yeah, you know, I'm capable of making money first as well." }, { "end_time": "40:20", "start_time": "40:18", "text": "So, what are your experience?" }, { "end_time": "40:24", "start_time": "40:20", "text": "Like, from in Pesto, did you invest your own money as capital initially?" }, { "end_time": "40:27", "start_time": "40:24", "text": "I mean, so so you're all the time bankrupt." }, { "end_time": "40:29", "start_time": "40:28", "text": "Initially, I was also bankrupt." }, { "end_time": "40:30", "start_time": "40:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "40:32", "start_time": "40:30", "text": "So that that's where your struggle period was." }, { "end_time": "40:32", "start_time": "40:32", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "40:33", "start_time": "40:32", "text": "Where you still go hungry?" }, { "end_time": "40:34", "start_time": "40:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "40:38", "start_time": "40:34", "text": "So you basically, invest everything which you're trying which you make." }, { "end_time": "40:40", "start_time": "40:38", "text": "So it's like that's the bootstrapping process." }, { "end_time": "40:41", "start_time": "40:40", "text": "You go forward with that." }, { "end_time": "40:45", "start_time": "40:42", "text": "When you have some money, you, of course, invest, whatever you have." }, { "end_time": "40:46", "start_time": "40:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "40:56", "start_time": "40:46", "text": "And, when you look for investors, I think, like, there there was a research by by a company called Ideal Labs which which is an accelerator based in US." }, { "end_time": "41:04", "start_time": "40:56", "text": "It said that there are 5 top reasons why companies fail and funding money was the least important one of those." }, { "end_time": "41:05", "start_time": "41:04", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "41:07", "start_time": "41:05", "text": "So companies don't fail because of funding." }, { "end_time": "41:08", "start_time": "41:07", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "41:11", "start_time": "41:08", "text": "The reason being that investors are in the business of making money." }, { "end_time": "41:15", "start_time": "41:11", "text": "As long as your business can make money, there will be investors." }, { "end_time": "41:17", "start_time": "41:15", "text": "Because they are in the business of making money." }, { "end_time": "41:17", "start_time": "41:17", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "41:21", "start_time": "41:17", "text": "The only thing is that venture capital works in a different way." }, { "end_time": "41:28", "start_time": "41:22", "text": "Like, you have to have the potential to make lots of money in long term." }, { "end_time": "41:28", "start_time": "41:28", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "41:31", "start_time": "41:28", "text": "We'll we'll we'll get to VC venture capital all that later." }, { "end_time": "41:31", "start_time": "41:31", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "41:33", "start_time": "41:31", "text": "But right now, let's come back to how you made money." }, { "end_time": "41:34", "start_time": "41:33", "text": "So wait." }, { "end_time": "41:40", "start_time": "41:34", "text": "I'm after a career and give them the PESO story which you told me and I hope that it's okay that I'm putting it out on a podcast." }, { "end_time": "41:40", "start_time": "41:40", "text": "Yeah for sure." }, { "end_time": "41:49", "start_time": "41:41", "text": "Initially basically you're a fantastic coder as well like and you you I mean you're a good coder, you're capable of doing coding." }, { "end_time": "41:50", "start_time": "41:49", "text": "I could make some websites." }, { "end_time": "41:51", "start_time": "41:50", "text": "Yeah, okay." }, { "end_time": "42:01", "start_time": "41:51", "text": "So you made a website for people and you basically made your initial money on Pesto as a business you earned money by giving out your services as a coder." }, { "end_time": "42:02", "start_time": "42:01", "text": "Oh, no." }, { "end_time": "42:05", "start_time": "42:02", "text": "So when I used to code, I think that was a consulting company before Pesto." }, { "end_time": "42:12", "start_time": "42:05", "text": "That was, like, my first company when I used to kind of score a bunch of websites and make some money, bootstrap, using that." }, { "end_time": "42:17", "start_time": "42:12", "text": "I think, I did a bunch of, other startup projects which didn't didn't work out." }, { "end_time": "42:23", "start_time": "42:17", "text": "By the time I started Pesto, I found a coder who is who is just an insane coder." }, { "end_time": "42:23", "start_time": "42:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:24", "start_time": "42:23", "text": "Andrew is my cofounder." }, { "end_time": "42:25", "start_time": "42:24", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "42:26", "start_time": "42:25", "text": "Like your partner on Pesto?" }, { "end_time": "42:28", "start_time": "42:26", "text": "My partner on Pesto." }, { "end_time": "42:34", "start_time": "42:28", "text": "So he's a really, really amazing coder and also, amazing person based in SF now." }, { "end_time": "42:40", "start_time": "42:35", "text": "So what we did is that we saw a huge gap between Indian engineers and US engineers." }, { "end_time": "42:41", "start_time": "42:40", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "42:43", "start_time": "42:41", "text": "And, huge paying gaps." }, { "end_time": "42:46", "start_time": "42:43", "text": "So that's when we decided that we are going to do some tech consulting Got it." }, { "end_time": "42:47", "start_time": "42:46", "text": "For US firms?" }, { "end_time": "42:48", "start_time": "42:47", "text": "For US firms." }, { "end_time": "42:48", "start_time": "42:48", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "42:50", "start_time": "42:48", "text": "So that's how we started Pesto." }, { "end_time": "42:54", "start_time": "42:50", "text": "Like, we saw, Pesto started with the pure mission of just making money." }, { "end_time": "42:54", "start_time": "42:54", "text": "Like Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:54", "start_time": "42:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "43:00", "start_time": "42:55", "text": "You know, it's like we were we were just tired of, startup projects, and we just decided that we're going to make some money." }, { "end_time": "43:02", "start_time": "43:00", "text": "And, we want to make money quick." }, { "end_time": "43:03", "start_time": "43:03", "text": "So we did consulting." }, { "end_time": "43:06", "start_time": "43:03", "text": "We made some money in over the next, like, 3 to 7 months." }, { "end_time": "43:11", "start_time": "43:07", "text": "And, once we had made money, both of us were, like, startup people." }, { "end_time": "43:15", "start_time": "43:11", "text": "We wanted to create value, create impact, and also add value to people." }, { "end_time": "43:21", "start_time": "43:15", "text": "So once we had money, we decided to do something which which is actually valuable, which is creating impact." }, { "end_time": "43:22", "start_time": "43:21", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "43:24", "start_time": "43:22", "text": "Which what what which is what you all are doing right now?" }, { "end_time": "43:24", "start_time": "43:24", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "43:26", "start_time": "43:24", "text": "And it the thought process was pretty simple." }, { "end_time": "43:26", "start_time": "43:26", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "43:31", "start_time": "43:27", "text": "We were hiring engineers in India, and we were placing them in US for 5 x their salaries." }, { "end_time": "43:32", "start_time": "43:31", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "43:38", "start_time": "43:32", "text": "But we realized that our business is based on artificially keeping their salaries low, that's how you make money." }, { "end_time": "43:45", "start_time": "43:38", "text": "And we thought that the entire focal point of this entire engagement is the engineer in himself, right, or herself." }, { "end_time": "43:47", "start_time": "43:46", "text": "But they are not winning." }, { "end_time": "43:50", "start_time": "43:48", "text": "We are winning because we are making money." }, { "end_time": "43:53", "start_time": "43:50", "text": "The companies are winning, they are getting talent, but these engineers don't win." }, { "end_time": "43:56", "start_time": "43:53", "text": "This is weird because that's the focal point." }, { "end_time": "43:59", "start_time": "43:56", "text": "So we decided that we are going to come up with a model to make a genius win." }, { "end_time": "43:59", "start_time": "43:59", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "44:12", "start_time": "43:59", "text": "So we decided to come up, with this, concept of Pesto where we said that we we are going to give you everything which which we needed to to kind of make you compatible with the company, in US." }, { "end_time": "44:15", "start_time": "44:12", "text": "And then after 3 months of training, we'll place you as remote employee." }, { "end_time": "44:22", "start_time": "44:15", "text": "You won't have to pay us anything upfront, so it's free of cost upfront, and we'll take 17% of your salary for next 3 years." }, { "end_time": "44:23", "start_time": "44:22", "text": "Crazy." }, { "end_time": "44:24", "start_time": "44:23", "text": "That's the business model now." }, { "end_time": "44:24", "start_time": "44:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "44:28", "start_time": "44:24", "text": "So people end up making, like, 5 x of what they were making before." }, { "end_time": "44:29", "start_time": "44:28", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "44:31", "start_time": "44:29", "text": "So, it's like a win win for everyone now." }, { "end_time": "44:31", "start_time": "44:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "44:31", "start_time": "44:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "44:31", "start_time": "44:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "44:40", "start_time": "44:31", "text": "And I'm sure they're also grateful, like, other than the fact that, like, you know, you're making money from, like, their job, but they themselves must be really grateful to people like you." }, { "end_time": "44:50", "start_time": "44:41", "text": "They are I mean, we have we have been lucky to have wonderful people around, and we genuinely wanted to help them irrespective of, you know, what situation we are we are in." }, { "end_time": "45:02", "start_time": "44:50", "text": "We have come across multiple situations where we didn't had to help people but we kind of stepped out of the way, out of our way to kind of go on to help people who maybe don't even make it to the best of program." }, { "end_time": "45:03", "start_time": "45:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:06", "start_time": "45:03", "text": "But our goal is to just help these 5,000,000 engineers." }, { "end_time": "45:07", "start_time": "45:06", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "45:10", "start_time": "45:07", "text": "We have helped only 50 till now, which is like some 0.0001%." }, { "end_time": "45:14", "start_time": "45:12", "text": "So it's like a long long way to go." }, { "end_time": "45:14", "start_time": "45:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:16", "start_time": "45:14", "text": "But we are all in to help all these people." }, { "end_time": "45:17", "start_time": "45:16", "text": "Crazy." }, { "end_time": "45:17", "start_time": "45:17", "text": "Crazy." }, { "end_time": "45:21", "start_time": "45:17", "text": "And now the final part of this podcast, which is the VCs, the venture capitalist." }, { "end_time": "45:43", "start_time": "45:22", "text": "I actually think we should do another whole episode on this but so in today's episode just very briefly, in layman's terms can you explain this whole process of raising money, why a company even needs to raise money in the first place, how do they raise money, the dangers of it, the benefits of it, the classic success stories like Facebook and Amazon that have been written out of this whole raising money game." }, { "end_time": "45:45", "start_time": "45:43", "text": "So what is this whole world?" }, { "end_time": "45:47", "start_time": "45:45", "text": "So I'll I'll first explain, who are VCs?" }, { "end_time": "45:52", "start_time": "45:47", "text": "So, venture capitalists, I think it's really important to understand who they are and and where they come from." }, { "end_time": "46:06", "start_time": "45:52", "text": "The understanding their psychology with which they invest in, because that kind of gives you more perspective into analyzing yourself whether whether you are ready for funding or not, or whether you should even go for venture capital or not." }, { "end_time": "46:08", "start_time": "46:06", "text": "Because some businesses are just not fit for venture capital." }, { "end_time": "46:09", "start_time": "46:08", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "46:12", "start_time": "46:09", "text": "And and they and they see that they keep pushing for it, but they're just not fit." }, { "end_time": "46:14", "start_time": "46:12", "text": "And it's not a bad thing Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:16", "start_time": "46:14", "text": "To be not fit for It's just the nature of a business." }, { "end_time": "46:17", "start_time": "46:16", "text": "It's just the nature of a business." }, { "end_time": "46:17", "start_time": "46:17", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "46:25", "start_time": "46:17", "text": "So, I think, so I was with one of, people I admire of Avnish sir who is who is, running matrix." }, { "end_time": "46:25", "start_time": "46:25", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "46:29", "start_time": "46:25", "text": "So he said something which which really, kind of stuck with me." }, { "end_time": "46:33", "start_time": "46:29", "text": "Said we are in the business of, we are we are in the riskiest business." }, { "end_time": "46:33", "start_time": "46:33", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "46:43", "start_time": "46:33", "text": "So understand that VCs come from the standpoint that they are they are investing in the most risky asset class ever." }, { "end_time": "46:44", "start_time": "46:43", "text": "What is this risky asset class?" }, { "end_time": "46:51", "start_time": "46:44", "text": "This is investing in equity in a developing market which is not matured yet." }, { "end_time": "46:51", "start_time": "46:51", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "46:56", "start_time": "46:51", "text": "India So India is a developing market and you're investing in startups in India." }, { "end_time": "46:56", "start_time": "46:56", "text": "In India." }, { "end_time": "46:57", "start_time": "46:56", "text": "What will happen." }, { "end_time": "46:58", "start_time": "46:57", "text": "Can't get riskier." }, { "end_time": "46:58", "start_time": "46:58", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "46:58", "start_time": "46:58", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "46:58", "start_time": "46:58", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "47:01", "start_time": "46:58", "text": "So, it's it's very risky to invest in that." }, { "end_time": "47:11", "start_time": "47:01", "text": "Now when you look at VCs, the way they invest is that if they are investing in n number of companies, they they know that majority of them chances of them failing is very high." }, { "end_time": "47:12", "start_time": "47:11", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "47:13", "start_time": "47:12", "text": "Because because of the nature." }, { "end_time": "47:13", "start_time": "47:13", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "47:19", "start_time": "47:14", "text": "Now they need to look for those 1 or 2 companies which are going to win." }, { "end_time": "47:20", "start_time": "47:19", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "47:30", "start_time": "47:20", "text": "And if there are only few companies, like, let's say, 2 or 3 companies which are going to win out of 10, then they not only need to win for themselves, but also for everyone else who failed." }, { "end_time": "47:30", "start_time": "47:30", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "47:39", "start_time": "47:30", "text": "They need to cover up, the losses for the, investors and and also make money, for for those investors, right." }, { "end_time": "47:53", "start_time": "47:39", "text": "That means you need to win big and when you need to win big on those fewer investments, that means that every business which you invest in as a venture capitalist, the potential of that business has to be very high." }, { "end_time": "47:54", "start_time": "47:53", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "48:03", "start_time": "47:54", "text": "So that's that's like, a basic understanding which which So the core the core idea is that investors will always look for businesses with scalability." }, { "end_time": "48:03", "start_time": "48:03", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "48:05", "start_time": "48:03", "text": "Which can be scaled up almost infinitely." }, { "end_time": "48:07", "start_time": "48:06", "text": "The Agreed." }, { "end_time": "48:07", "start_time": "48:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:11", "start_time": "48:07", "text": "If if not infinitely, then at least the addressable market has to be big enough Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:13", "start_time": "48:12", "text": "For the company to become huge." }, { "end_time": "48:13", "start_time": "48:13", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "48:13", "start_time": "48:13", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "48:18", "start_time": "48:13", "text": "So they they basically look for businesses that can capture the maximum amount of customers or users." }, { "end_time": "48:19", "start_time": "48:18", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:24", "start_time": "48:19", "text": "Or I think, like, one good way to look at it is just to look at the market itself Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:25", "start_time": "48:24", "text": "And how it's maturing." }, { "end_time": "48:30", "start_time": "48:25", "text": "And one of the best markets to be in is the market which is growing at a rapid, pace." }, { "end_time": "48:35", "start_time": "48:30", "text": "Like, it may not be that huge yet, but which is growing at a massive pace." }, { "end_time": "48:36", "start_time": "48:35", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "48:36", "start_time": "48:36", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "48:39", "start_time": "48:36", "text": "So, one version of that would be India." }, { "end_time": "48:45", "start_time": "48:39", "text": "Like, India is a market that's growing very fast, but in terms of industries, all the industries that you named, like probably AI." }, { "end_time": "48:46", "start_time": "48:45", "text": "AI, remote, AI." }, { "end_time": "48:47", "start_time": "48:46", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "48:47", "start_time": "48:47", "text": "Beautiful." }, { "end_time": "48:48", "start_time": "48:47", "text": "Education." }, { "end_time": "48:51", "start_time": "48:48", "text": "Education and health care is like the thing right now." }, { "end_time": "48:52", "start_time": "48:51", "text": "Crazy." }, { "end_time": "48:57", "start_time": "48:52", "text": "So that is the idea from the VC side of things, the venture capitalist side of things." }, { "end_time": "48:59", "start_time": "48:57", "text": "What about the business side of things?" }, { "end_time": "49:01", "start_time": "48:59", "text": "Why do you and me need money from VCs?" }, { "end_time": "49:09", "start_time": "49:02", "text": "So I think, from a business point of view, you need to kind of, think what kind of business which you are trying to build." }, { "end_time": "49:09", "start_time": "49:09", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "49:13", "start_time": "49:10", "text": "If if you don't need VC, that's completely fine." }, { "end_time": "49:13", "start_time": "49:13", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "49:24", "start_time": "49:13", "text": "It's like, I can build the company in a profitable way, and, survive for whatever timeline, and and be happy if that that will be my personal choice." }, { "end_time": "49:29", "start_time": "49:25", "text": "But my mission was to change lives of 5,000,000 engineers." }, { "end_time": "49:30", "start_time": "49:29", "text": "We have done only 58." }, { "end_time": "49:31", "start_time": "49:30", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "49:33", "start_time": "49:31", "text": "And we want to take that to 5,000,000." }, { "end_time": "49:34", "start_time": "49:34", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "49:35", "start_time": "49:34", "text": "How do you do that?" }, { "end_time": "49:59", "start_time": "49:35", "text": "So for that, in order to kind of expand your kind of business in terms of the scale which you are trying to work, in terms of impact which you're trying to create, and in terms of verticals you're trying to expand, that kind of, taking money to kind of fund your cash flows or or, you know, expanding to those You're basically taking steroids in them in in the form of money." }, { "end_time": "50:00", "start_time": "49:59", "text": "Steroids You could you could say that." }, { "end_time": "50:04", "start_time": "50:00", "text": "I think, like, so there there's this thing called product market fit." }, { "end_time": "50:04", "start_time": "50:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "50:14", "start_time": "50:04", "text": "Once you figure out what is it which you're going to create, which is going to add value to the customers, that's when you go for raising funds." }, { "end_time": "50:15", "start_time": "50:14", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "50:24", "start_time": "50:15", "text": "And only after that, the steroids will work because if you take it in a when you're not mature enough, then then Steroids will have the bad effects." }, { "end_time": "50:24", "start_time": "50:24", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "50:24", "start_time": "50:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "50:26", "start_time": "50:24", "text": "So It'll probably screw you up." }, { "end_time": "50:26", "start_time": "50:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "50:28", "start_time": "50:26", "text": "What What's Silicon Valley?" }, { "end_time": "50:28", "start_time": "50:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "50:31", "start_time": "50:28", "text": "So Silicon Valley, that's the one thing even I gained from it." }, { "end_time": "50:32", "start_time": "50:31", "text": "I'm like, oh, sebi hota." }, { "end_time": "50:33", "start_time": "50:32", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "50:34", "start_time": "50:33", "text": "The bad side of the world." }, { "end_time": "50:37", "start_time": "50:34", "text": "I just taught you about the ugly side of startups and all that is real." }, { "end_time": "50:37", "start_time": "50:37", "text": "That stuff happens." }, { "end_time": "50:39", "start_time": "50:37", "text": "It's just very real." }, { "end_time": "50:39", "start_time": "50:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "50:48", "start_time": "50:39", "text": "So but for Indian startups, you know, who are raising money from Indian VCs and all this, like, is there a big danger of you crashing and burning?" }, { "end_time": "50:57", "start_time": "50:48", "text": "Like if you're not working with the correct kind of human beings or maybe you're taking too much money from one particular person or you're giving out too much equity to one particular person." }, { "end_time": "51:01", "start_time": "50:57", "text": "There is a lot of different dangers, right, like in this whole world." }, { "end_time": "51:05", "start_time": "51:01", "text": "So what are some of like the top dangers that you should look for when you're trying to raise money for your startup?" }, { "end_time": "51:14", "start_time": "51:06", "text": "I think like it's it's overhyped a little bit like because, you just people watch too much movies." }, { "end_time": "51:17", "start_time": "51:14", "text": "They they want to be able to share that funding really like Yeah." }, { "end_time": "51:20", "start_time": "51:17", "text": "I mean, the it's not that bad." }, { "end_time": "51:23", "start_time": "51:20", "text": "I mean, people by default generally are nice." }, { "end_time": "51:23", "start_time": "51:23", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "51:26", "start_time": "51:23", "text": "It's really it's really difficult to come across bad people." }, { "end_time": "51:32", "start_time": "51:27", "text": "But in business there are terms which you should be aware of, which, which you should kind of like be cautious of." }, { "end_time": "51:49", "start_time": "51:33", "text": "And one thing I truly believe in is that I really really, want to work with people, who you enjoy working with, because it's it's it'll be a long journey and you don't want to kind of be in the room in the hardest times with people whose faces you don't like." }, { "end_time": "51:49", "start_time": "51:49", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "51:49", "start_time": "51:49", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "51:54", "start_time": "51:49", "text": "So you basically want to work with people who you like working asshole rule in the media world." }, { "end_time": "51:54", "start_time": "51:54", "text": "Oh." }, { "end_time": "51:55", "start_time": "51:54", "text": "Anyone?" }, { "end_time": "51:58", "start_time": "51:55", "text": "I wouldn't I wouldn't say asshole, but it's just the vibe like, you know, some someone can go along really well with you but not too well with me." }, { "end_time": "51:58", "start_time": "51:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "51:59", "start_time": "51:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "51:59", "start_time": "51:59", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "52:03", "start_time": "51:59", "text": "It's it's like, you know You need to vibe with that human." }, { "end_time": "52:07", "start_time": "52:03", "text": "You need to vibe with those people, right?" }, { "end_time": "52:09", "start_time": "52:07", "text": "It's like you need to be their kind of people." }, { "end_time": "52:17", "start_time": "52:09", "text": "So I think choosing the people is is is really important but when it comes to terms I think there are certain terms, we there are a couple of things." }, { "end_time": "52:20", "start_time": "52:17", "text": "I think there are certain terms which you should be kind of cautious of." }, { "end_time": "52:27", "start_time": "52:21", "text": "You can always read that venture deals and you'll get to know everything about, you know, all these terms." }, { "end_time": "52:33", "start_time": "52:27", "text": "But I think at the same time, you should also respect, what others are looking for." }, { "end_time": "52:36", "start_time": "52:33", "text": "We should always think about creating a business from a win win perspective." }, { "end_time": "52:42", "start_time": "52:36", "text": "Investors are there to make money as well and you basically have to make money for them." }, { "end_time": "52:42", "start_time": "52:42", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "52:49", "start_time": "52:42", "text": "And having an investor on board is actually a big responsibility because they are believing in you." }, { "end_time": "52:49", "start_time": "52:49", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "52:50", "start_time": "52:49", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "52:52", "start_time": "52:50", "text": "They're giving you that massive chunk of money Exactly." }, { "end_time": "52:53", "start_time": "52:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:56", "start_time": "52:53", "text": "And I mean, like, it's it's more of a partnership." }, { "end_time": "52:56", "start_time": "52:56", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "52:59", "start_time": "52:56", "text": "You they are a part of your small family which you're trying to build." }, { "end_time": "53:00", "start_time": "52:59", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "53:05", "start_time": "53:00", "text": "And and you have to kind of, like, you know, treat them like your own family now once they come on board." }, { "end_time": "53:06", "start_time": "53:05", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "53:15", "start_time": "53:06", "text": "And believe me, it's like, once, investors are in it, investors are not in it just just like, you know, that giving you money, now you do the thing." }, { "end_time": "53:20", "start_time": "53:16", "text": "Investors also feel, that they are part of the same journey as well." }, { "end_time": "53:21", "start_time": "53:20", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "53:22", "start_time": "53:21", "text": "Or at least the good investors." }, { "end_time": "53:23", "start_time": "53:22", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "53:32", "start_time": "53:23", "text": "They they they become a part of the journey and they're also very emotionally connected like, ever since I took, money from matrix, right, which is our our investors." }, { "end_time": "53:39", "start_time": "53:33", "text": "I never took Uber rides because I feel that I'm a part of the same family now." }, { "end_time": "53:43", "start_time": "53:39", "text": "So I take Ola rights because because, Ola is part of the matrix family." }, { "end_time": "53:44", "start_time": "53:43", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "53:45", "start_time": "53:44", "text": "I just feel more associated." }, { "end_time": "53:50", "start_time": "53:46", "text": "Whenever I use Razorpay, I feel more proud because they're part of the same family." }, { "end_time": "53:50", "start_time": "53:50", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "53:56", "start_time": "53:50", "text": "So it's like every company which is there in in in their portfolio just feel a part of that, ecosystem." }, { "end_time": "53:57", "start_time": "53:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "53:59", "start_time": "53:57", "text": "And and I feel that it's it's more like that." }, { "end_time": "54:01", "start_time": "53:59", "text": "And I think it's it's healthy in that way." }, { "end_time": "54:06", "start_time": "54:01", "text": "And it's it's also healthy to respect, kind of everyone's interests." }, { "end_time": "54:11", "start_time": "54:06", "text": "So you need to make sure that, you know, everybody is winning in every scenario and, yeah." }, { "end_time": "54:17", "start_time": "54:11", "text": "It's like a small world, so better live it with everyone just not feeling screwed." }, { "end_time": "54:18", "start_time": "54:17", "text": "Oh, god." }, { "end_time": "54:19", "start_time": "54:18", "text": "Keep the world in a good place." }, { "end_time": "54:19", "start_time": "54:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "54:20", "start_time": "54:19", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "54:23", "start_time": "54:20", "text": "That's what mister AJ stands for." }, { "end_time": "54:26", "start_time": "54:23", "text": "AJ, bro, thank you so much again for coming on to monkey chat." }, { "end_time": "54:26", "start_time": "54:26", "text": "Hope you had fun." }, { "end_time": "54:27", "start_time": "54:26", "text": "Appreciate it." }, { "end_time": "54:27", "start_time": "54:27", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "54:28", "start_time": "54:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "54:33", "start_time": "54:28", "text": "So again AJ is gonna be a recurring person, a recurring guest on monkey chat." }, { "end_time": "54:34", "start_time": "54:33", "text": "I'm gonna link all his handles down below." }, { "end_time": "54:36", "start_time": "54:34", "text": "Make sure you follow him." }, { "end_time": "54:38", "start_time": "54:36", "text": "Any last one liner for the public?" }, { "end_time": "54:40", "start_time": "54:39", "text": "Take care of your health." }, { "end_time": "54:42", "start_time": "54:41", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "54:43", "start_time": "54:42", "text": "Cool." }, { "end_time": "54:45", "start_time": "54:43", "text": "So we'll end this podcast which is all about startups." }, { "end_time": "54:48", "start_time": "54:45", "text": "Probably next time we'll just do one on AI." }, { "end_time": "54:50", "start_time": "54:48", "text": "We'll just do one maybe on VR." }, { "end_time": "54:53", "start_time": "54:50", "text": "We'll just do one on VCs and all these topics." }, { "end_time": "54:58", "start_time": "54:53", "text": "We'll see you later for now because we're gonna go and get some gifts for our sisters actually." }, { "end_time": "55:00", "start_time": "54:58", "text": "We're going Rakshabandhan shopping together." }, { "end_time": "55:00", "start_time": "55:00", "text": "Oh, yeah." } ] }

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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:05", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "Monkey chat's back featuring another episode with India's smartest man Radhakrishnan Pillai." }, { "end_time": "0:13", "start_time": "0:05", "text": "If there's any human who knows as much about the history of India as this man does, bring him to monkey chat because I have not met anyone like that." }, { "end_time": "0:17", "start_time": "0:13", "text": "You know, growing up, we're always told that India ko sonne ki chhediya bulaaya jata." }, { "end_time": "0:19", "start_time": "0:17", "text": "India was one of the richest countries in the world." }, { "end_time": "0:24", "start_time": "0:19", "text": "So in today's episode, we break down exactly what made ancient India so rich, in detail, okay." }, { "end_time": "0:25", "start_time": "0:24", "text": "You're gonna learn a lot from this episode." }, { "end_time": "0:38", "start_time": "0:26", "text": "You're also gonna learn what made us poor in the long term, how the British stole money exactly, how the European imperialism movements stole money exactly from us and you're also going to learn how India's becoming rich again." }, { "end_time": "0:49", "start_time": "0:38", "text": "We're on par towards becoming one of the richest countries in the world once again and if you wanna be a part of that richness wave and make your own money through that wave, if you wanna become rich in life, this is the episode for you." }, { "end_time": "0:55", "start_time": "0:49", "text": "So if you want to create the best possible future for yourself, learn in detail about the past of this country." }, { "end_time": "0:57", "start_time": "0:55", "text": "Watch the entire episode." }, { "end_time": "0:58", "start_time": "0:57", "text": "There's a lot of value to be gained." }, { "end_time": "1:02", "start_time": "0:58", "text": "Enjoy with one of the smartest men in India, doctor Radhakrishnan Pillai." }, { "end_time": "1:07", "start_time": "1:03", "text": "This is gonna be one of the most motivational episodes of monkey chat." }, { "end_time": "1:08", "start_time": "1:07", "text": "We're gonna talk about the concept." }, { "end_time": "1:14", "start_time": "1:09", "text": "Bharat was once one of the richest countries in the world, the richest country in the world." }, { "end_time": "1:18", "start_time": "1:14", "text": "We went on to become one of the poorest countries in the world, thanks to British rule, thanks to European invasions." }, { "end_time": "1:21", "start_time": "1:19", "text": "And who better to talk about history than Radha, sir?" }, { "end_time": "1:23", "start_time": "1:21", "text": "Welcome to monkey chat again, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:26", "start_time": "1:23", "text": "So we got to talk very openly about this whole concept." }, { "end_time": "1:29", "start_time": "1:26", "text": "My whole generation is told that we were very rich at one point of time." }, { "end_time": "1:35", "start_time": "1:29", "text": "And we're also told that we are part of the world's biggest economy now, fastest growing economy." }, { "end_time": "1:44", "start_time": "1:35", "text": "So all of us, my entire generation will have a lot of billionaires, will be amongst the world's richest people and we're a special generation because we had that focal point." }, { "end_time": "1:50", "start_time": "1:44", "text": "We've seen our parents' generation which was kind of middle class, upper middle class and now I'm dead sure that we're gonna see a lot of riches." }, { "end_time": "1:50", "start_time": "1:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:51", "start_time": "1:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:54", "start_time": "1:52", "text": "Let's start the story at the back, sir." }, { "end_time": "1:54", "start_time": "1:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:54", "start_time": "1:54", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "1:57", "start_time": "1:54", "text": "How did India get rich in the first place firstly in ancient times?" }, { "end_time": "1:59", "start_time": "1:57", "text": "Like, were we doing correct business?" }, { "end_time": "2:02", "start_time": "2:00", "text": "Were we selling a lot of, ancient gemstones?" }, { "end_time": "2:03", "start_time": "2:03", "text": "What was happening?" }, { "end_time": "2:07", "start_time": "2:04", "text": "So there are many factors because of which India became very rich." }, { "end_time": "2:09", "start_time": "2:07", "text": "To begin with, nature blessed us." }, { "end_time": "2:13", "start_time": "2:09", "text": "Even today, if you look at it geographically, we are positioned very rightly." }, { "end_time": "2:18", "start_time": "2:13", "text": "We got, the nature with all things that is very positive for an economic development." }, { "end_time": "2:21", "start_time": "2:19", "text": "For example, if you look at it, we got defined seasons." }, { "end_time": "2:23", "start_time": "2:22", "text": "Not many countries have it." }, { "end_time": "2:24", "start_time": "2:23", "text": "So we have a rainy season." }, { "end_time": "2:25", "start_time": "2:24", "text": "We have a summer season." }, { "end_time": "2:27", "start_time": "2:25", "text": "We got a lot of greenery, flora, and fauna." }, { "end_time": "2:28", "start_time": "2:27", "text": "We got the ocean." }, { "end_time": "2:29", "start_time": "2:28", "text": "Coastline." }, { "end_time": "2:29", "start_time": "2:29", "text": "Coastline." }, { "end_time": "2:33", "start_time": "2:30", "text": "So if you look at it, not many countries have this advantages." }, { "end_time": "2:35", "start_time": "2:33", "text": "Some countries are completely desert." }, { "end_time": "2:36", "start_time": "2:35", "text": "Some people under snow." }, { "end_time": "2:37", "start_time": "2:36", "text": "So you have the right mix." }, { "end_time": "2:42", "start_time": "2:38", "text": "The second is that, it's quite surprising that we actually focused on research." }, { "end_time": "2:42", "start_time": "2:42", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "2:43", "start_time": "2:42", "text": "People r and d." }, { "end_time": "2:44", "start_time": "2:43", "text": "R and d." }, { "end_time": "2:50", "start_time": "2:44", "text": "So every field that we were in, if you look at it 100 1000 years back, we were the people who contributed." }, { "end_time": "2:55", "start_time": "2:50", "text": "So if you look at metallurgy, if you look at architectures, we had built the best monuments across the globe." }, { "end_time": "3:02", "start_time": "2:56", "text": "The third and the most important thing is that we had a very different and interesting social system." }, { "end_time": "3:05", "start_time": "3:02", "text": "You cannot bring, become rich individually." }, { "end_time": "3:06", "start_time": "3:05", "text": "You know, there there is a community." }, { "end_time": "3:07", "start_time": "3:06", "text": "There's a family." }, { "end_time": "3:15", "start_time": "3:07", "text": "So what happened is that somewhere, if you look at it, the kind of a professions that we followed during those early times were very, very defined and structured." }, { "end_time": "3:23", "start_time": "3:16", "text": "Let me go back and it's quite surprising that you may never have heard about a process called as Jati Puran." }, { "end_time": "3:23", "start_time": "3:23", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "3:27", "start_time": "3:23", "text": "So if you look at the word jati, people say, you know, jati vivad hooray." }, { "end_time": "3:33", "start_time": "3:27", "text": "But you know, jati is actually a profession, and every profession actually had an SOP, standard operating process books." }, { "end_time": "3:43", "start_time": "3:33", "text": "And 1000 years ago, suppose you were born a doctor, and, of course, if your parent was a doctor and you want to be a doctor and your children want to be a doctor, there is a process and you follow the family business." }, { "end_time": "3:46", "start_time": "3:43", "text": "If you don't want to be a doctor also, you can leave." }, { "end_time": "3:52", "start_time": "3:46", "text": "But 1000 of years, maybe 10, 15 generations, you have perfected the particular art of medicine and research." }, { "end_time": "3:53", "start_time": "3:52", "text": "It was documented." }, { "end_time": "3:56", "start_time": "3:54", "text": "So if you're in the shipping business, it was documented." }, { "end_time": "4:05", "start_time": "3:57", "text": "So if you look at why India was the richest country in the world that we did lot of things simultaneously over many generations we got into a perfect system." }, { "end_time": "4:11", "start_time": "4:06", "text": "Unfortunately, what has happened is that we have lost that particular continuity of knowledge evolution." }, { "end_time": "4:12", "start_time": "4:11", "text": "So knowledge evolves." }, { "end_time": "4:16", "start_time": "4:12", "text": "As in we kept learning and then that learning process stopped." }, { "end_time": "4:17", "start_time": "4:16", "text": "It it stopped." }, { "end_time": "4:18", "start_time": "4:17", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "4:21", "start_time": "4:18", "text": "So if you go back to the past, why the whole world came to us?" }, { "end_time": "4:23", "start_time": "4:21", "text": "We were the richest part of the world." }, { "end_time": "4:26", "start_time": "4:23", "text": "Even though we were trading with other countries, we're a very self sufficient nature." }, { "end_time": "4:27", "start_time": "4:26", "text": "I mean, country." }, { "end_time": "4:29", "start_time": "4:27", "text": "Nature, gave us that particular opportunity." }, { "end_time": "4:37", "start_time": "4:30", "text": "But the thing is that after so many, generations of foreign invasions, we lost out on so many things which actually made us the richest part of the world." }, { "end_time": "4:41", "start_time": "4:37", "text": "Like like for example, the traditional businesses are getting challenged." }, { "end_time": "4:45", "start_time": "4:41", "text": "Instead of evolving, it is actually getting shut off." }, { "end_time": "4:46", "start_time": "4:45", "text": "So let me give you a specific example." }, { "end_time": "4:52", "start_time": "4:47", "text": "Do you know Gujarat actually was the point where lot of trading and shipping used to happen?" }, { "end_time": "4:56", "start_time": "4:52", "text": "So if you look at the Gujarat coastal belt, you know, though actually the foreigners came through that road." }, { "end_time": "4:58", "start_time": "4:56", "text": "So the Parsis came from that." }, { "end_time": "5:03", "start_time": "4:58", "text": "And today, it Britishers actually changed it from Gujarat to Kolkata and now Mumbai." }, { "end_time": "5:04", "start_time": "5:04", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "5:11", "start_time": "5:04", "text": "So in Gujarat, traditionally, there were a lot of communities who were very good in shipping as an industry, in boat building, in ship building." }, { "end_time": "5:13", "start_time": "5:12", "text": "In Gujarat, there are a lot of ports." }, { "end_time": "5:14", "start_time": "5:13", "text": "Where are they?" }, { "end_time": "5:16", "start_time": "5:14", "text": "All the Gujaratis have migrated across the globe." }, { "end_time": "5:18", "start_time": "5:16", "text": "Why did the British do this?" }, { "end_time": "5:20", "start_time": "5:18", "text": "They intentionally wanted to spoil this thing about India." }, { "end_time": "5:25", "start_time": "5:21", "text": "So let me go back to the history of British." }, { "end_time": "5:33", "start_time": "5:25", "text": "British actually were a part of a particular, you know, community or a particular group which came from Europe." }, { "end_time": "5:36", "start_time": "5:33", "text": "And Europe, if you look at it, it looks very beautiful scenic wise." }, { "end_time": "5:41", "start_time": "5:37", "text": "But if you look at another side of it, it doesn't have that much natural advantages that we have." }, { "end_time": "5:42", "start_time": "5:41", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "5:44", "start_time": "5:42", "text": "So there are, you know, it can rain anytime." }, { "end_time": "5:47", "start_time": "5:45", "text": "There are so many pluses and minuses over." }, { "end_time": "5:50", "start_time": "5:47", "text": "So they actually explored the world for a lot of trade activities." }, { "end_time": "5:55", "start_time": "5:50", "text": "So when they landed up in India, actually it was East India Company which was a trading company." }, { "end_time": "5:56", "start_time": "5:55", "text": "We hear about it." }, { "end_time": "6:02", "start_time": "5:56", "text": "And the French and the Spanish, they came as a trade opportunity because we had spices, we had tea, we had coffee." }, { "end_time": "6:03", "start_time": "6:02", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "6:05", "start_time": "6:03", "text": "We had everything in the world which they did not have." }, { "end_time": "6:07", "start_time": "6:05", "text": "So spices is not very popular in Europe." }, { "end_time": "6:08", "start_time": "6:07", "text": "They took it." }, { "end_time": "6:13", "start_time": "6:08", "text": "If you go to Europe even today, actually they eat very bland food." }, { "end_time": "6:15", "start_time": "6:13", "text": "Varieties of, food." }, { "end_time": "6:19", "start_time": "6:16", "text": "So when they came in, they actually never thought that they will rule it." }, { "end_time": "6:22", "start_time": "6:19", "text": "They came as a trading people and slowly so the Eastern became so big." }, { "end_time": "6:25", "start_time": "6:22", "text": "The British parliament and all the queens and all the intellectuals said, okay." }, { "end_time": "6:27", "start_time": "6:25", "text": "Now you have your own little office here." }, { "end_time": "6:28", "start_time": "6:27", "text": "It became so big." }, { "end_time": "6:35", "start_time": "6:28", "text": "You have your own army also and suddenly the east India company, which was a trading company, actually became a revenue for the Britishers." }, { "end_time": "6:35", "start_time": "6:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:36", "start_time": "6:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:42", "start_time": "6:36", "text": "So coming back what is the thing that we lost is that we had a lot of traditional practices and Britishers actually broke many of them." }, { "end_time": "6:46", "start_time": "6:42", "text": "So the shipping industry actually got destroyed in its own way." }, { "end_time": "6:52", "start_time": "6:46", "text": "The the whole industries that we had as traditional practices, we don't see much of them continue." }, { "end_time": "6:55", "start_time": "6:52", "text": "Can you, like, quickly name 3 other things like the shipping industry that got destroyed?" }, { "end_time": "6:57", "start_time": "6:55", "text": "So let me speak speak about Ayurveda." }, { "end_time": "7:04", "start_time": "6:57", "text": "You know, Ayurveda was a part of our and then nadi will nadi will still tell you, you know, this is what you use." }, { "end_time": "7:07", "start_time": "7:04", "text": "But where do we have the Ayurvedic system today in India?" }, { "end_time": "7:10", "start_time": "7:07", "text": "It's kind of looked down upon also by society in a lot of aspects." }, { "end_time": "7:10", "start_time": "7:10", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "7:12", "start_time": "7:11", "text": "But Ayurvedic research." }, { "end_time": "7:21", "start_time": "7:13", "text": "So what happened is that today probably in Kerala you have some Ayurvedic, systems going on and typically it's Ayurvedic massage and Panchoja system." }, { "end_time": "7:22", "start_time": "7:22", "text": "But you know what?" }, { "end_time": "7:29", "start_time": "7:22", "text": "People don't know that traditionally we used to do a lot of research in Ayurveda and say, okay, we used to do operations based on it." }, { "end_time": "7:30", "start_time": "7:29", "text": "So it's all gone." }, { "end_time": "7:31", "start_time": "7:30", "text": "Today, allopathy has taken over." }, { "end_time": "7:33", "start_time": "7:31", "text": "Nothing wrong, but the r and d destroyed." }, { "end_time": "7:43", "start_time": "7:33", "text": "2nd is yoga systems, which now luckily it's getting so if you look at the system of yoga, we had yogic teachers and we mentioned about this in the, previous episodes also Kriya yoga." }, { "end_time": "7:44", "start_time": "7:43", "text": "Patanjali's yoga sutra." }, { "end_time": "7:46", "start_time": "7:44", "text": "Now these are all systems of yoga." }, { "end_time": "7:49", "start_time": "7:46", "text": "So So if you look at Ayurveda yoga, everything gone." }, { "end_time": "7:56", "start_time": "7:49", "text": "The 3rd industry which I definitely want to talk about, I'm very proud about, we were actually people who gave the best metallurgy to the world." }, { "end_time": "7:56", "start_time": "7:56", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "7:59", "start_time": "7:56", "text": "We were actually people who knew what to do with metals." }, { "end_time": "7:59", "start_time": "7:59", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "8:02", "start_time": "7:59", "text": "We were a As in make good weapons or, like, anything." }, { "end_time": "8:04", "start_time": "8:03", "text": "So metals and its applications." }, { "end_time": "8:06", "start_time": "8:04", "text": "So weaponry is one part of it." }, { "end_time": "8:08", "start_time": "8:06", "text": "But if you look at the ornaments Oh, okay." }, { "end_time": "8:10", "start_time": "8:08", "text": "So we were a country full of gold." }, { "end_time": "8:11", "start_time": "8:10", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "8:18", "start_time": "8:11", "text": "If you look at all the temples, be it, you know, Tirupati or you go to Kerala or you so today we have these temples where gold is given." }, { "end_time": "8:21", "start_time": "8:18", "text": "Without a goldsmith or a blacksmith, there no village was complete." }, { "end_time": "8:22", "start_time": "8:21", "text": "So there was something." }, { "end_time": "8:26", "start_time": "8:22", "text": "If you had 6 like villages, probably every particular village had a goldsmith." }, { "end_time": "8:29", "start_time": "8:26", "text": "So they were so evolved And let me tell you about Arthashastra." }, { "end_time": "8:36", "start_time": "8:29", "text": "Arthashastra is a very good document of going back to Indian history 2,004 years ago and say why we were the richest part of the world." }, { "end_time": "8:39", "start_time": "8:36", "text": "We actually were the first to have coinage systems." }, { "end_time": "8:39", "start_time": "8:39", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "8:40", "start_time": "8:39", "text": "Instead of barter?" }, { "end_time": "8:42", "start_time": "8:40", "text": "In the barter plus coinage." }, { "end_time": "8:42", "start_time": "8:42", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "8:45", "start_time": "8:42", "text": "So barter is one of the important even today we do barters." }, { "end_time": "8:46", "start_time": "8:45", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "8:46", "start_time": "8:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:49", "start_time": "8:46", "text": "So when we're going to do a show or maybe a movie, we do barters." }, { "end_time": "8:49", "start_time": "8:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:53", "start_time": "8:49", "text": "So the barter system continues because it's more about understanding, you know." }, { "end_time": "8:54", "start_time": "8:53", "text": "I give you this, you give me that." }, { "end_time": "9:00", "start_time": "8:54", "text": "But that's not a perfect economic model because I may be giving you something worth 100 rupees, but you may be partnering with 20 rupees." }, { "end_time": "9:00", "start_time": "9:00", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "9:04", "start_time": "9:00", "text": "The coinage system has got a value which is commonly accepted by both." }, { "end_time": "9:04", "start_time": "9:04", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "9:10", "start_time": "9:04", "text": "So India 1000 of years ago actually had a coinage system much before all this banking system in all the world." }, { "end_time": "9:15", "start_time": "9:10", "text": "So what is important is that we had certain very, very futuristic vision." }, { "end_time": "9:16", "start_time": "9:15", "text": "Futuristic and very sustainable." }, { "end_time": "9:19", "start_time": "9:16", "text": "I think today we talk about sustainability as a keyword." }, { "end_time": "9:23", "start_time": "9:19", "text": "We had sustainable models and that is exactly why India was the richest part of the world." }, { "end_time": "9:24", "start_time": "9:23", "text": "World." }, { "end_time": "9:25", "start_time": "9:24", "text": "Then what went wrong?" }, { "end_time": "9:26", "start_time": "9:25", "text": "Why did we lose all our money?" }, { "end_time": "9:28", "start_time": "9:26", "text": "Oh, we stopped research." }, { "end_time": "9:29", "start_time": "9:28", "text": "Really?" }, { "end_time": "9:33", "start_time": "9:29", "text": "So once you think that we actually lost out because of our own arrogance?" }, { "end_time": "9:40", "start_time": "9:33", "text": "Because the general perception is that the invaders came, they spoiled it but I feel that if something went wrong, there must have been something that went wrong in your house as well." }, { "end_time": "9:41", "start_time": "9:40", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "9:41", "start_time": "9:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:43", "start_time": "9:41", "text": "So there are, multiple theories to it." }, { "end_time": "9:49", "start_time": "9:43", "text": "So we are not here to point out what went wrong and the answer is this, but it's a combination of various things." }, { "end_time": "9:52", "start_time": "9:49", "text": "So let me start with saying, what Sardar Wallabhai Patel once said." }, { "end_time": "9:56", "start_time": "9:53", "text": "Sardar Wallabhai Patel, one of the greatest leaders that our country saw." }, { "end_time": "10:01", "start_time": "9:56", "text": "He was once asked, do you believe Britishers have the policy of divide and rule?" }, { "end_time": "10:02", "start_time": "10:01", "text": "He said no." }, { "end_time": "10:04", "start_time": "10:02", "text": "We divide ourselves and they rule." }, { "end_time": "10:12", "start_time": "10:05", "text": "So it's a very profound statement that we kept fighting, and we never saw there is a who has come in and, you know, sometimes we're gonna be smart to understand." }, { "end_time": "10:15", "start_time": "10:13", "text": "We are to unite." }, { "end_time": "10:22", "start_time": "10:15", "text": "So if you look at it, we never really thought that British shows are actually taking over us till the 9 18 57 national uprising." }, { "end_time": "10:23", "start_time": "10:22", "text": "They said, okay, come on." }, { "end_time": "10:27", "start_time": "10:23", "text": "And it again took another 90 years and so many moments to say, okay, we are a free country." }, { "end_time": "10:27", "start_time": "10:27", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "10:30", "start_time": "10:27", "text": "The first is, we were fighting amongst ourselves." }, { "end_time": "10:34", "start_time": "10:31", "text": "The second theory that goes is that we never understood what is happening in the west." }, { "end_time": "10:36", "start_time": "10:34", "text": "Somewhere, you know, we're very happy." }, { "end_time": "10:42", "start_time": "10:36", "text": "So the scientific development that happened in the west, we were either cut off or we're not giving it too much importance." }, { "end_time": "10:44", "start_time": "10:42", "text": "For example, the industrialization that happened." }, { "end_time": "10:45", "start_time": "10:45", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "10:46", "start_time": "10:45", "text": "The steam engines and all those things." }, { "end_time": "10:50", "start_time": "10:46", "text": "That whole generation where Britain had a scientific advantage over us." }, { "end_time": "10:51", "start_time": "10:50", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "10:54", "start_time": "10:51", "text": "So Britain did something correct in that phase and Europe did something correct in that." }, { "end_time": "10:58", "start_time": "10:54", "text": "So Europe was going through a lot of, movements within themselves." }, { "end_time": "10:59", "start_time": "10:58", "text": "So the French revolution happened." }, { "end_time": "11:01", "start_time": "11:00", "text": "So it was called the renaissance era." }, { "end_time": "11:04", "start_time": "11:01", "text": "So if you read the world history, what is renaissance era?" }, { "end_time": "11:09", "start_time": "11:04", "text": "The society is questioning itself and pushing itself to something higher which America did then." }, { "end_time": "11:17", "start_time": "11:09", "text": "So if you look at the European model was touched upon a little bit in Japan and some other parts of the world, but then over here the American took it." }, { "end_time": "11:19", "start_time": "11:17", "text": "But you know what, since you asked this question what went wrong?" }, { "end_time": "11:22", "start_time": "11:19", "text": "One of my philosophy teacher said it very nicely." }, { "end_time": "11:25", "start_time": "11:22", "text": "The British has left us and we accepted the Americans." }, { "end_time": "11:27", "start_time": "11:26", "text": "We never actually became Indians." }, { "end_time": "11:39", "start_time": "11:29", "text": "So what's happened I mean, what really happened wrong if I were to analyze it saying that when the world was putting lot of efforts, time into the next generation what is required for Indians?" }, { "end_time": "11:43", "start_time": "11:39", "text": "Probably they were inventing papers and our documentation was still in palm leaves." }, { "end_time": "11:48", "start_time": "11:43", "text": "They were talking about machineries and, you know, and we were still doing that, you know, hand woven material." }, { "end_time": "11:49", "start_time": "11:48", "text": "Nothing wrong." }, { "end_time": "11:52", "start_time": "11:49", "text": "But when they came in we were so wowed with the British scientific development." }, { "end_time": "11:55", "start_time": "11:52", "text": "We were fighting with swords and they were actually having cannons." }, { "end_time": "12:00", "start_time": "11:56", "text": "So why when you look at it, probably this was the reason why we were a little bit behind." }, { "end_time": "12:05", "start_time": "12:00", "text": "And anybody who is probably working in the fields and suddenly looks at industrial revolution and wow." }, { "end_time": "12:08", "start_time": "12:05", "text": "Most important, they got their economical angles right." }, { "end_time": "12:11", "start_time": "12:08", "text": "So, you know, they started paying the people differently." }, { "end_time": "12:13", "start_time": "12:11", "text": "So people got attracted to their models." }, { "end_time": "12:16", "start_time": "12:14", "text": "They came here and made us their servants." }, { "end_time": "12:19", "start_time": "12:16", "text": "I mean, I really appreciate them in one way." }, { "end_time": "12:22", "start_time": "12:19", "text": "Imagine the Babus who ran the British empire were actually Indians." }, { "end_time": "12:24", "start_time": "12:23", "text": "So they hired the best of our minds." }, { "end_time": "12:33", "start_time": "12:24", "text": "They paid them very well, gave them a government secured job, made them collectors, and the collectors were Indians and the army which contained Indians actually took all the money to Britain." }, { "end_time": "12:37", "start_time": "12:33", "text": "So we never actually had a idea of sitting down analyzing it." }, { "end_time": "12:41", "start_time": "12:37", "text": "And when it really hit us Because everyone was looking for their own personal gain." }, { "end_time": "12:41", "start_time": "12:41", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "12:44", "start_time": "12:42", "text": "And somewhere, I mean, that's a very interesting point." }, { "end_time": "12:46", "start_time": "12:44", "text": "We're a little bit selfish." }, { "end_time": "12:47", "start_time": "12:46", "text": "It's like I, me, and my family." }, { "end_time": "12:50", "start_time": "12:48", "text": "And it doesn't matter about what's happening to the village." }, { "end_time": "12:50", "start_time": "12:50", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "12:59", "start_time": "12:50", "text": "Which is also what's happening in the modern day with a lot of Indians leaving India and going abroad for like giving themselves a better life, what they call intellectual theft." }, { "end_time": "13:01", "start_time": "12:59", "text": "I would say brain drain." }, { "end_time": "13:05", "start_time": "13:01", "text": "So there are two reasons, one is at the government level and one is at the individual level." }, { "end_time": "13:09", "start_time": "13:05", "text": "So if the government doesn't give that opportunity to create then you feel frustrated." }, { "end_time": "13:09", "start_time": "13:09", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "13:10", "start_time": "13:09", "text": "So I'm qualified." }, { "end_time": "13:13", "start_time": "13:10", "text": "I will do something for the country, but there is no ecosystem." }, { "end_time": "13:13", "start_time": "13:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:16", "start_time": "13:13", "text": "It's changing now with, you know, the ecosystem of start up India." }, { "end_time": "13:17", "start_time": "13:17", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "13:18", "start_time": "13:17", "text": "All those things is happening." }, { "end_time": "13:19", "start_time": "13:18", "text": "But yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:20", "start_time": "13:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:23", "start_time": "13:20", "text": "But what happened is the pros independence around 1947, you look at it." }, { "end_time": "13:26", "start_time": "13:23", "text": "It took us almost like 50 years to actually look back." }, { "end_time": "13:29", "start_time": "13:26", "text": "Even now, the best of the brains go, and they're doing very well abroad." }, { "end_time": "13:30", "start_time": "13:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:30", "start_time": "13:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:32", "start_time": "13:30", "text": "The Googles and the Microsofts are run by Indians." }, { "end_time": "13:32", "start_time": "13:32", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "13:32", "start_time": "13:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:37", "start_time": "13:32", "text": "So there is a very interesting statement that we used to have when we were young and colleges." }, { "end_time": "13:41", "start_time": "13:37", "text": "It is saying it's better to have brain drain rather than having brain in the drain." }, { "end_time": "13:43", "start_time": "13:42", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "13:43", "start_time": "13:43", "text": "That's dark." }, { "end_time": "13:45", "start_time": "13:44", "text": "But I'm saying it's changing." }, { "end_time": "13:47", "start_time": "13:45", "text": "So where did we go wrong?" }, { "end_time": "13:48", "start_time": "13:47", "text": "Probably we only thought about my benefit." }, { "end_time": "13:49", "start_time": "13:48", "text": "So we went abroad." }, { "end_time": "13:54", "start_time": "13:49", "text": "How many people stayed back and say, okay, India may not be the most developed country, but I'll make it a developed country." }, { "end_time": "13:56", "start_time": "13:54", "text": "It's better to go to America and get the money." }, { "end_time": "13:58", "start_time": "13:56", "text": "Sir, that could have also been because of so many kingdoms." }, { "end_time": "13:59", "start_time": "13:58", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "13:59", "start_time": "13:59", "text": "Everyone had their own idea." }, { "end_time": "14:00", "start_time": "13:59", "text": "We can't have a problem." }, { "end_time": "14:00", "start_time": "14:00", "text": "We can't have a problem." }, { "end_time": "14:02", "start_time": "14:00", "text": "We can't have a problem." }, { "end_time": "14:03", "start_time": "14:02", "text": "We can't have a problem." }, { "end_time": "14:03", "start_time": "14:03", "text": "We can't have a problem." }, { "end_time": "14:03", "start_time": "14:03", "text": "We can't have a problem." }, { "end_time": "14:06", "start_time": "14:03", "text": "We can't have a problem." }, { "end_time": "14:07", "start_time": "14:06", "text": "We can't have a problem." }, { "end_time": "14:09", "start_time": "14:07", "text": "We can't have a problem." }, { "end_time": "14:11", "start_time": "14:10", "text": "India was not even a country." }, { "end_time": "14:13", "start_time": "14:11", "text": "It was 550 princely states." }, { "end_time": "14:16", "start_time": "14:14", "text": "So when Britishers left India, we were not one nation." }, { "end_time": "14:20", "start_time": "14:16", "text": "We were 3 geographically administered country." }, { "end_time": "14:23", "start_time": "14:20", "text": "We had Bombay presidency, Calcutta presidency, and Maitreya's presidency." }, { "end_time": "14:24", "start_time": "14:23", "text": "That was administratively." }, { "end_time": "14:26", "start_time": "14:24", "text": "But otherwise it was Raj Gharana." }, { "end_time": "14:30", "start_time": "14:26", "text": "What Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel did, he is called as the we have the statue of unity." }, { "end_time": "14:33", "start_time": "14:31", "text": "And he had a department called the department of states." }, { "end_time": "14:40", "start_time": "14:34", "text": "So he actually combined 5 50 princely states, and we still have the Kashmir problem not solved because Kashmir was a princely state." }, { "end_time": "14:46", "start_time": "14:41", "text": "So the biggest challenge you absolutely pointed around that we we did not have one common common government system." }, { "end_time": "14:49", "start_time": "14:46", "text": "It is only after the constitution of India was formed." }, { "end_time": "14:52", "start_time": "14:49", "text": "Everybody is now aligning to one particular form of governance." }, { "end_time": "14:57", "start_time": "14:52", "text": "So I think you're right because it's easy to break 5 50 people than break one complete nation." }, { "end_time": "14:58", "start_time": "14:57", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "14:59", "start_time": "14:58", "text": "That's where we went wrong." }, { "end_time": "15:02", "start_time": "14:59", "text": "So so my next question to you is did the British do any, like, chimpty?" }, { "end_time": "15:06", "start_time": "15:02", "text": "Like, when they were going, did they do anything to, like, mess us up and leave?" }, { "end_time": "15:10", "start_time": "15:06", "text": "Or was their intention good and, you know, they wanted to do the best for us?" }, { "end_time": "15:12", "start_time": "15:10", "text": "Like, what what's your take on that?" }, { "end_time": "15:14", "start_time": "15:12", "text": "So I would look at this from 2 angles." }, { "end_time": "15:15", "start_time": "15:14", "text": "Did that generation mess it up?" }, { "end_time": "15:17", "start_time": "15:15", "text": "I don't know because none of them are alive." }, { "end_time": "15:18", "start_time": "15:17", "text": "That generation was of the British." }, { "end_time": "15:21", "start_time": "15:18", "text": "The British generation was actually ruled us and gave us freedom." }, { "end_time": "15:27", "start_time": "15:21", "text": "So I don't know because I've not worked with them because intentions you can never understand by reading books or documents." }, { "end_time": "15:30", "start_time": "15:27", "text": "They they say that, if you go to UK now Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:32", "start_time": "15:30", "text": "The older the younger white people are amazing Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:34", "start_time": "15:32", "text": "But the older white people are a little racist." }, { "end_time": "15:34", "start_time": "15:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:35", "start_time": "15:34", "text": "They are." }, { "end_time": "15:38", "start_time": "15:35", "text": "As I told you that racism is a problem." }, { "end_time": "15:42", "start_time": "15:38", "text": "Like, we have been told that we have casteism as a problem, that racism was a problem." }, { "end_time": "15:47", "start_time": "15:42", "text": "And even children in the royal families, the so called current royal families, race is a major thing to think about." }, { "end_time": "15:48", "start_time": "15:47", "text": "In Europe." }, { "end_time": "15:48", "start_time": "15:48", "text": "In Europe." }, { "end_time": "15:50", "start_time": "15:49", "text": "Across Europe." }, { "end_time": "15:57", "start_time": "15:50", "text": "Now specifically, when, Britishers were ruling us, they had different strategies and everybody knows about the Macaulay education model." }, { "end_time": "16:02", "start_time": "15:57", "text": "They came and they said, oh, let's make a plan to destroy these people at the intellectual levels." }, { "end_time": "16:04", "start_time": "16:02", "text": "Can you can you explain this model?" }, { "end_time": "16:08", "start_time": "16:04", "text": "So what is is it is it mugging up?" }, { "end_time": "16:12", "start_time": "16:09", "text": "Basically, everything about Indian knowledge is not the best." }, { "end_time": "16:12", "start_time": "16:12", "text": "They're outdated." }, { "end_time": "16:13", "start_time": "16:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:15", "start_time": "16:13", "text": "And the British model is very scientific and advanced." }, { "end_time": "16:15", "start_time": "16:15", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "16:18", "start_time": "16:15", "text": "Because at the Oxford and the Cambridge, you had the Newtons and the Darwin's." }, { "end_time": "16:19", "start_time": "16:18", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:20", "start_time": "16:19", "text": "That's what we learned." }, { "end_time": "16:28", "start_time": "16:20", "text": "So and, you know, I feel this harms us even today when we have such a rich spiritual, scientific knowledge and, you know, we have yogic knowledge." }, { "end_time": "16:31", "start_time": "16:28", "text": "And young Indians look down at it and say, where's the scientific backing?" }, { "end_time": "16:34", "start_time": "16:31", "text": "Like, you know, mad love, how is this not backed by science?" }, { "end_time": "16:41", "start_time": "16:34", "text": "Have you ever considered the possibility that eastern science must be way beyond western science but you've been conditioned to think that western science is not true?" }, { "end_time": "16:43", "start_time": "16:41", "text": "And it starts with education system in the school." }, { "end_time": "16:43", "start_time": "16:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:49", "start_time": "16:43", "text": "So we de, I mean, belittle the whole idea of saying that everything that comes from the west is good and everything about India is bad." }, { "end_time": "16:55", "start_time": "16:49", "text": "And as rightly pointed out, it's a myth that spirituality is not scientific Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "16:56", "start_time": "16:55", "text": "And biological." }, { "end_time": "16:57", "start_time": "16:56", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "17:03", "start_time": "16:57", "text": "So what I'm saying if you look at Patanjali yoga sutra, it's a system which is scientific, but highest level is spiritual." }, { "end_time": "17:06", "start_time": "17:03", "text": "So for us spirituality and science are always 1." }, { "end_time": "17:08", "start_time": "17:06", "text": "They broke it up and saying that if you're spiritual you're not scientific." }, { "end_time": "17:10", "start_time": "17:08", "text": "And if you're scientific you're not spiritual." }, { "end_time": "17:10", "start_time": "17:10", "text": "Who said so?" }, { "end_time": "17:11", "start_time": "17:10", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "17:13", "start_time": "17:11", "text": "You can be a yogi and a rishi at the same time." }, { "end_time": "17:17", "start_time": "17:13", "text": "In fact, rishi is actually were thinkers, they were scientist of different fields." }, { "end_time": "17:17", "start_time": "17:17", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "17:22", "start_time": "17:17", "text": "I feel very bad that we actually lost on generations of scientific development." }, { "end_time": "17:22", "start_time": "17:22", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "17:28", "start_time": "17:22", "text": "So when you built a temple architecture, if you look at Kedarnath very specifically, 1000 of years." }, { "end_time": "17:32", "start_time": "17:28", "text": "Cyclone came, earthquakes came, but the temple that Jotaling is still scientific." }, { "end_time": "17:33", "start_time": "17:32", "text": "Don't you think it's scientific?" }, { "end_time": "17:36", "start_time": "17:34", "text": "Today we are talking about sustainable ecosystems." }, { "end_time": "17:42", "start_time": "17:36", "text": "If you look at Rameshwaram, the same Shiva temple right in the south, do you know it's actually on a sea bank?" }, { "end_time": "17:43", "start_time": "17:42", "text": "You're not going to Rameshwaram." }, { "end_time": "17:43", "start_time": "17:43", "text": "Please go." }, { "end_time": "17:49", "start_time": "17:43", "text": "You'll be surprised that it's on the banks of a sea, seashore and that's from where Rama went to Lanka." }, { "end_time": "17:51", "start_time": "17:49", "text": "Now I have seen this architecture." }, { "end_time": "17:52", "start_time": "17:51", "text": "I've studied this in detail." }, { "end_time": "18:03", "start_time": "17:52", "text": "You'd be surprised that those particular temple is designed in such a way that if a flood comes in or the, you know, the sea water comes in, it comes into the temple and within 5 minutes it gets dried up." }, { "end_time": "18:05", "start_time": "18:03", "text": "So the drainage system is so perfect." }, { "end_time": "18:18", "start_time": "18:06", "text": "If you look at, the kind of architecture temples being done in Ajanta and Alora, I mean, you see the the paints, the the actual paint which was used, the pigments, it has been there for more than 1000 years." }, { "end_time": "18:23", "start_time": "18:19", "text": "Paint every year you have to do something about it." }, { "end_time": "18:26", "start_time": "18:23", "text": "So so where is the whole research about the whole thing, you know." }, { "end_time": "18:27", "start_time": "18:26", "text": "Is it documented?" }, { "end_time": "18:28", "start_time": "18:27", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "18:36", "start_time": "18:28", "text": "Somewhere, you know, what happened, the whole wow of the westernization that came in, we were somewhere lost and of course very important economically." }, { "end_time": "18:43", "start_time": "18:37", "text": "So if the British is able to give you some model economically which can give you 100 rupees, we say this is better." }, { "end_time": "18:45", "start_time": "18:43", "text": "Anyway, things are changing." }, { "end_time": "18:45", "start_time": "18:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:47", "start_time": "18:45", "text": "So, what's happening now?" }, { "end_time": "18:48", "start_time": "18:47", "text": "Things are changing." }, { "end_time": "18:53", "start_time": "18:48", "text": "We've read about two important factors in the history of India becoming rich after independence." }, { "end_time": "18:53", "start_time": "18:53", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "18:58", "start_time": "18:53", "text": "One was something called liberalization of the Indian economy, which is that Manmohan Singh opened up the economy." }, { "end_time": "18:59", "start_time": "18:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:59", "start_time": "18:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:02", "start_time": "18:59", "text": "So very simply to a junior GED student, can you explain that in, like, few sentences?" }, { "end_time": "19:03", "start_time": "19:02", "text": "What what happened?" }, { "end_time": "19:05", "start_time": "19:03", "text": "So this actually happened in 1991." }, { "end_time": "19:16", "start_time": "19:05", "text": "So what happened post independence 1947, we were a very poor nation, everything was looted, our all treasuries were empty, we didn't have food to eat, we were a war torn country, you know, a lot of things." }, { "end_time": "19:18", "start_time": "19:16", "text": "I mean, it was a very bad state." }, { "end_time": "19:24", "start_time": "19:18", "text": "And the growth rate every year after independence till 1990 was some 1 or 2 percent which is terrible." }, { "end_time": "19:26", "start_time": "19:24", "text": "And the population became 4 times." }, { "end_time": "19:27", "start_time": "19:26", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "19:31", "start_time": "19:27", "text": "So when we got independence of 30 crores and it's 130 crores now." }, { "end_time": "19:34", "start_time": "19:31", "text": "So you have the same problem multiplied by 4 times." }, { "end_time": "19:38", "start_time": "19:34", "text": "So you have to educate them, you have to feed them, you have to give them job." }, { "end_time": "19:41", "start_time": "19:38", "text": "I really pity those people who actually work for the nation post independence." }, { "end_time": "19:42", "start_time": "19:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:51", "start_time": "19:42", "text": "But what is very interesting is that coming back if 1990 one what happened is in a simple layman's language we started getting money which we did not have on the foreign funds." }, { "end_time": "19:51", "start_time": "19:51", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "19:52", "start_time": "19:51", "text": "So people started funding India." }, { "end_time": "19:54", "start_time": "19:52", "text": "So 1990 we opened out means what?" }, { "end_time": "19:57", "start_time": "19:54", "text": "Suppose I want to start something, a company which requires 100 crores." }, { "end_time": "19:59", "start_time": "19:58", "text": "My I may have 20 crores." }, { "end_time": "20:01", "start_time": "19:59", "text": "So where do I raise the money from?" }, { "end_time": "20:02", "start_time": "20:01", "text": "Maybe we have model like the stock market." }, { "end_time": "20:03", "start_time": "20:02", "text": "I take some from friends." }, { "end_time": "20:07", "start_time": "20:03", "text": "I'm able to raise maybe 30 crores, but 70 crores I can't say." }, { "end_time": "20:07", "start_time": "20:07", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "20:10", "start_time": "20:07", "text": "So I'm putting up a big plant, maybe a machinery and all those things." }, { "end_time": "20:16", "start_time": "20:11", "text": "FDI and FII, foreign direct investment and foreign institutional investments." }, { "end_time": "20:16", "start_time": "20:16", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "20:18", "start_time": "20:16", "text": "So this is what actually happened in 1991." }, { "end_time": "20:21", "start_time": "20:18", "text": "So a lot of people started saying that okay, I'm gonna give you a 100 crores." }, { "end_time": "20:22", "start_time": "20:21", "text": "What will be my benefit?" }, { "end_time": "20:30", "start_time": "20:22", "text": "There was a lot of resistance because till 1991 people thought that, you know, if we allow another group to come into India, they will be like the Britishers." }, { "end_time": "20:33", "start_time": "20:30", "text": "They came in as traders and they looted us." }, { "end_time": "20:37", "start_time": "20:33", "text": "So are you stupid that you are not learning from the mistake that the Britishers did?" }, { "end_time": "20:41", "start_time": "20:37", "text": "So you are telling the American company and the Japanese company to come again and give us money?" }, { "end_time": "20:42", "start_time": "20:41", "text": "Don't be stupid." }, { "end_time": "20:52", "start_time": "20:42", "text": "But over a period of time, I think the maturity evolved and thanks to our then prime minister Nalsimarao and then we have the finance minister Manmohan Singh who became the prime minister." }, { "end_time": "20:53", "start_time": "20:52", "text": "They said, okay." }, { "end_time": "20:55", "start_time": "20:53", "text": "It's important that we can't suffer." }, { "end_time": "20:56", "start_time": "20:56", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "21:03", "start_time": "20:57", "text": "And what happened is that we did not just get money, but we actually got the best practice of the world in India." }, { "end_time": "21:05", "start_time": "21:03", "text": "So let me give you a specific example." }, { "end_time": "21:08", "start_time": "21:05", "text": "I remember I was a part of the 1991 generation." }, { "end_time": "21:16", "start_time": "21:09", "text": "When we never understood what is this whole liberalization and all those things, it took 10 years for Indian youth to understand it." }, { "end_time": "21:24", "start_time": "21:16", "text": "And actually we understood what is, the impact of globalization liberalization in the year 2000 when the IT industry got its biggest boom." }, { "end_time": "21:26", "start_time": "21:24", "text": "So, you know, there was a problem called y two k." }, { "end_time": "21:29", "start_time": "21:26", "text": "You should do a little bit of a research on it." }, { "end_time": "21:31", "start_time": "21:29", "text": "So we all learn computers, but we never understood." }, { "end_time": "21:42", "start_time": "21:31", "text": "But suddenly in 1998 and 1999, people realized the year 2000 when we are gonna change into a new millionaire, 200, everything in computers, was actually coded as dates." }, { "end_time": "21:47", "start_time": "21:42", "text": "They said that if we don't get it right, maybe the airplane will collapse because the computers give instructions." }, { "end_time": "21:52", "start_time": "21:47", "text": "So computers, work on something called bits and bytes, 1 and 2." }, { "end_time": "21:58", "start_time": "21:52", "text": "So 1990 but the moment it becomes 2,012 o'clock, January 1, 2000, maybe the whole system will go." }, { "end_time": "21:58", "start_time": "21:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:07", "start_time": "21:58", "text": "And as a backup plan, they say who are the intelligent people who can do recoding or decoding, uncoding, and all that coding things Indians were best." }, { "end_time": "22:11", "start_time": "22:07", "text": "And the whole 2, 3 years we got into global platform." }, { "end_time": "22:13", "start_time": "22:11", "text": "So that was one impact." }, { "end_time": "22:19", "start_time": "22:13", "text": "The second impact that happened in, liberalization period was basically we did not just get money but we got the global best practices into India." }, { "end_time": "22:26", "start_time": "22:20", "text": "For example, when you look at a McDonald's in India and if you look at a McDonald's in maybe New York, they're the same." }, { "end_time": "22:31", "start_time": "22:26", "text": "So we don't just get McDonald's into India but you see the efficiency, the fact The work culture." }, { "end_time": "22:32", "start_time": "22:31", "text": "The work culture." }, { "end_time": "22:37", "start_time": "22:32", "text": "So what exactly happened is that it's not just getting money, but you're actually getting trained by them with their money." }, { "end_time": "22:38", "start_time": "22:37", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "22:40", "start_time": "22:38", "text": "So you got the offices of the foreign companies coming here." }, { "end_time": "22:45", "start_time": "22:40", "text": "So today if I work probably with a JP Morgan here and I go to Singapore office, I don't feel a difference." }, { "end_time": "22:45", "start_time": "22:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:50", "start_time": "22:45", "text": "So I think what is very important, we were blessed in a way that we don't have to travel abroad to see a different world." }, { "end_time": "22:52", "start_time": "22:50", "text": "We can actually see that world in a mini way in India." }, { "end_time": "22:53", "start_time": "22:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:55", "start_time": "22:53", "text": "So I think that was a turning point, 1991." }, { "end_time": "22:58", "start_time": "22:55", "text": "And then take those ideas and book culture and start Indian businesses." }, { "end_time": "22:59", "start_time": "22:58", "text": "You are absolutely right." }, { "end_time": "23:02", "start_time": "22:59", "text": "In fact, learn from the best, but make it better in India." }, { "end_time": "23:02", "start_time": "23:02", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "23:05", "start_time": "23:02", "text": "And that's what I feel our generation's money will be based on." }, { "end_time": "23:05", "start_time": "23:05", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "23:06", "start_time": "23:05", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "23:10", "start_time": "23:06", "text": "Because Indians are beautiful businessmen, may not be the best innovators." }, { "end_time": "23:11", "start_time": "23:10", "text": "That's what I feel." }, { "end_time": "23:12", "start_time": "23:11", "text": "Americans are fantastic innovators." }, { "end_time": "23:13", "start_time": "23:12", "text": "That's debatable." }, { "end_time": "23:19", "start_time": "23:13", "text": "But I feel Indians are fantastic at taking an idea, tweaking it, making it desi, and then selling it." }, { "end_time": "23:23", "start_time": "23:19", "text": "So I will look at it differently and saying that we are already natural innovators." }, { "end_time": "23:27", "start_time": "23:23", "text": "In between, we are actually being told not to innovate Oh, okay." }, { "end_time": "23:29", "start_time": "23:27", "text": "Because of the fear of psychology of the foreign rulers." }, { "end_time": "23:30", "start_time": "23:29", "text": "And the education system." }, { "end_time": "23:31", "start_time": "23:30", "text": "And the education system." }, { "end_time": "23:32", "start_time": "23:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:37", "start_time": "23:32", "text": "So what typically happened is that we were a nation which could design anything and everything that we wanted." }, { "end_time": "23:41", "start_time": "23:37", "text": "Imagine putting up an erotic image in a temple." }, { "end_time": "23:48", "start_time": "23:42", "text": "So if you look at all the temples, I mean, wasn't that innovation with an idea which people will not accept socially today?" }, { "end_time": "23:50", "start_time": "23:48", "text": "Saying that we gave the best of the ideas." }, { "end_time": "23:53", "start_time": "23:50", "text": "I'll tell you I have studied a lot of Indian architecture." }, { "end_time": "23:58", "start_time": "23:53", "text": "Go to any ancient Indian temple which is 1000 years old, maybe north or south." }, { "end_time": "24:01", "start_time": "23:58", "text": "There are similar looking pillars." }, { "end_time": "24:02", "start_time": "24:01", "text": "But do you know anything?" }, { "end_time": "24:04", "start_time": "24:02", "text": "Every pillar has got a different design." }, { "end_time": "24:05", "start_time": "24:04", "text": "It is not mass production." }, { "end_time": "24:07", "start_time": "24:06", "text": "So coming back, what happened?" }, { "end_time": "24:10", "start_time": "24:07", "text": "Innovation is something which is ingrained in us." }, { "end_time": "24:12", "start_time": "24:10", "text": "But with the Britishians, you know, you don't know it." }, { "end_time": "24:13", "start_time": "24:12", "text": "You listen to what happens." }, { "end_time": "24:14", "start_time": "24:13", "text": "The bossy culture came." }, { "end_time": "24:15", "start_time": "24:14", "text": "The creativity died out." }, { "end_time": "24:15", "start_time": "24:15", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "24:17", "start_time": "24:15", "text": "But Indians are naturally very creative." }, { "end_time": "24:23", "start_time": "24:17", "text": "What happened you absolutely rightly said is that now with money, and we require 1 generation of parents to phase out." }, { "end_time": "24:29", "start_time": "24:24", "text": "I'm telling you, you know, somewhere the parent generation will tell this do and don't do this and they're okay." }, { "end_time": "24:34", "start_time": "24:29", "text": "I'm not telling the parent generation doesn't have experience, but they had an experience of having a follower's mindset." }, { "end_time": "24:34", "start_time": "24:34", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "24:37", "start_time": "24:35", "text": "Your generation is the advantage of a leadership mindset." }, { "end_time": "24:37", "start_time": "24:37", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "24:45", "start_time": "24:37", "text": "And I always talk about this and that we have to change our mindset from a followership thinking to a leadership thinking, and that's the advantage you have." }, { "end_time": "24:47", "start_time": "24:45", "text": "If you have an idea, you will get funds." }, { "end_time": "24:47", "start_time": "24:47", "text": "You get a market." }, { "end_time": "24:48", "start_time": "24:47", "text": "You got technology." }, { "end_time": "24:50", "start_time": "24:49", "text": "We did not have that advantage." }, { "end_time": "24:51", "start_time": "24:50", "text": "We have social media." }, { "end_time": "24:52", "start_time": "24:52", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "24:55", "start_time": "24:53", "text": "That's why I'm partnering with you." }, { "end_time": "25:04", "start_time": "24:56", "text": "So the whole idea with the advent that we will have lots of billionaires and in a space which parents will be shocked, maybe your grandparents will not understand." }, { "end_time": "25:18", "start_time": "25:16", "text": "So he said to me you do some TV show." }, { "end_time": "25:18", "start_time": "25:18", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "25:20", "start_time": "25:18", "text": "And I was like, yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:20", "start_time": "25:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:21", "start_time": "25:20", "text": "That's what I do." }, { "end_time": "25:23", "start_time": "25:21", "text": "So it's that's what's happening." }, { "end_time": "25:29", "start_time": "25:23", "text": "And he's like, I don't understand what you do but what I've heard is everything's going well and you're happy so that's all that matters." }, { "end_time": "25:29", "start_time": "25:29", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "25:30", "start_time": "25:29", "text": "This is a shift." }, { "end_time": "25:30", "start_time": "25:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:35", "start_time": "25:30", "text": "So what is gonna happen is there are so many ideas getting, you know, experimented." }, { "end_time": "25:39", "start_time": "25:36", "text": "I'm not saying that all of them will succeed, but all of them will not fail either." }, { "end_time": "25:44", "start_time": "25:39", "text": "And this is something I want to tell all the youth of India is get into that positive mindset." }, { "end_time": "25:54", "start_time": "25:45", "text": "You know, this American mindset of innovation and investing into an idea is slowly coming to India, but it is not at its matured level." }, { "end_time": "25:57", "start_time": "25:54", "text": "I remember somebody asking Bill Gates about it, you know." }, { "end_time": "26:00", "start_time": "25:57", "text": "Suppose you have an idea, you experiment it, invest on it, and what if it fails?" }, { "end_time": "26:02", "start_time": "26:01", "text": "You know what is Bill Gates answer?" }, { "end_time": "26:03", "start_time": "26:02", "text": "What if it succeeds?" }, { "end_time": "26:08", "start_time": "26:04", "text": "So this is something so important." }, { "end_time": "26:12", "start_time": "26:08", "text": "So when we the parents when we look at it, oh, he's doing something, she's doing something, what if it fails?" }, { "end_time": "26:13", "start_time": "26:12", "text": "It's the opposite." }, { "end_time": "26:14", "start_time": "26:13", "text": "What if it succeeds?" }, { "end_time": "26:18", "start_time": "26:15", "text": "So Americans when they look at innovation, it's not about failures." }, { "end_time": "26:20", "start_time": "26:18", "text": "Failures is bound to happen if it doesn't succeed." }, { "end_time": "26:20", "start_time": "26:20", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "26:21", "start_time": "26:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:21", "start_time": "26:21", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:22", "start_time": "26:21", "text": "But they don't focus on failure." }, { "end_time": "26:27", "start_time": "26:22", "text": "They say, okay, let's try give it our best and they put lot of time, effort, money, research into it." }, { "end_time": "26:27", "start_time": "26:27", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "26:31", "start_time": "26:27", "text": "So when one product succeeds, I'm sure there'll be 5 products which did not succeed." }, { "end_time": "26:33", "start_time": "26:31", "text": "But the mindset is that let's make it work." }, { "end_time": "26:33", "start_time": "26:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:35", "start_time": "26:33", "text": "If you're doing something good I will partner with you." }, { "end_time": "26:36", "start_time": "26:35", "text": "I'll invest with you." }, { "end_time": "26:36", "start_time": "26:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:36", "start_time": "26:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:41", "start_time": "26:36", "text": "So I think if you get into this and the last and the most important thing required is mentoring." }, { "end_time": "26:41", "start_time": "26:41", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "26:45", "start_time": "26:41", "text": "Because you're experimenting so much and you're a bit full of energy ideas but who's gonna show you the way?" }, { "end_time": "26:46", "start_time": "26:45", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "26:51", "start_time": "26:46", "text": "And it's always better to take the way from somebody who's more mature than finding out your way because you may find your way after 5 years." }, { "end_time": "26:51", "start_time": "26:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:53", "start_time": "26:51", "text": "But it's better to get it succeeded now." }, { "end_time": "26:53", "start_time": "26:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:54", "start_time": "26:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:54", "start_time": "26:54", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "27:02", "start_time": "26:54", "text": "So energy, innovation, idea, capital, money along with maybe a mentor will make the whole difference and will become the richest part of the world much faster." }, { "end_time": "27:05", "start_time": "27:02", "text": "Can I add one more factor to that game which you have taught me?" }, { "end_time": "27:05", "start_time": "27:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:06", "start_time": "27:05", "text": "Which is infrastructure." }, { "end_time": "27:07", "start_time": "27:06", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "27:12", "start_time": "27:07", "text": "But when I look at and but when I talk about infrastructure, I'm not talking about building office." }, { "end_time": "27:19", "start_time": "27:12", "text": "I'm talking about Internet infrastructure which I believe Mukesh Ambani has put into the youth's hands through the geo effect." }, { "end_time": "27:33", "start_time": "27:19", "text": "And this is not me fanboying over reliance when we go into like 2,045, 255 we're going to look back at 2016 and see that that was a defining moment in the Indian economic boom because the Internet reached villages." }, { "end_time": "27:34", "start_time": "27:33", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "27:40", "start_time": "27:34", "text": "Maybe everyone's not using Jio today, but people are using a cheaper version of Airtel, a cheaper version of say, idea Vodafone, all that." }, { "end_time": "27:46", "start_time": "27:41", "text": "So the Internet is reaching everywhere people are going to start getting educated much more rapidly." }, { "end_time": "27:48", "start_time": "27:46", "text": "People are going to become smarter, people are going to become more capable." }, { "end_time": "27:55", "start_time": "27:49", "text": "You will be creating another Dhirubaya money somewhere in some small village in Gujarat just through your YouTube videos." }, { "end_time": "27:55", "start_time": "27:55", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "27:57", "start_time": "27:55", "text": "And make maybe only Bombay guys smarter." }, { "end_time": "27:58", "start_time": "27:58", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "28:03", "start_time": "27:59", "text": "So let's start looking at it as saying that, you know, YouTube is going to affect the poor part of it." }, { "end_time": "28:05", "start_time": "28:03", "text": "They're gonna impact the people sitting in cities also." }, { "end_time": "28:07", "start_time": "28:05", "text": "They're gonna make them on level platform, the same level platform." }, { "end_time": "28:08", "start_time": "28:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:11", "start_time": "28:08", "text": "So what you get probably in a village is something what you get in Bombay and vice versa." }, { "end_time": "28:21", "start_time": "28:12", "text": "And back to the geo example, you know, it's quite interesting that I remember Mukesh Ambani actually coming to Mumbai University and he was there as a chief guest of a convocation ceremony." }, { "end_time": "28:27", "start_time": "28:22", "text": "And he said something, and when he said this, it was actually for me a very different outlook of a business." }, { "end_time": "28:37", "start_time": "28:27", "text": "When he said, till now, we were focusing on oil, o I l, because Reliance is petroleum, and that's their major cash cow, or cash flow comes from oil, the petroleum part of it." }, { "end_time": "28:40", "start_time": "28:37", "text": "But then today, he he said data is the next oil." }, { "end_time": "28:40", "start_time": "28:40", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "28:44", "start_time": "28:41", "text": "So what is actually it's not Internet, it's data." }, { "end_time": "28:44", "start_time": "28:44", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "28:47", "start_time": "28:44", "text": "And I know people who actually told me this, who are YouTubers." }, { "end_time": "28:55", "start_time": "28:47", "text": "When I say YouTubers not like you, the the people who are on the back, they had to actually have bigger server farms." }, { "end_time": "28:55", "start_time": "28:55", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "28:58", "start_time": "28:55", "text": "Because the consumption of India has gone 10 times bigger." }, { "end_time": "29:03", "start_time": "28:58", "text": "Then suddenly, why are Indians watching so much YouTube?" }, { "end_time": "29:05", "start_time": "29:03", "text": "There's a there is an impact of Geo on that." }, { "end_time": "29:05", "start_time": "29:05", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "29:13", "start_time": "29:05", "text": "So what actually made is that Geo got everybody into a different platform and saying that data whatever it is." }, { "end_time": "29:13", "start_time": "29:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:17", "start_time": "29:13", "text": "And believe me, the world cannot exist without Indian data." }, { "end_time": "29:18", "start_time": "29:17", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "29:20", "start_time": "29:18", "text": "We're talking 1 sixth of the 1000000000 people here." }, { "end_time": "29:20", "start_time": "29:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:20", "start_time": "29:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:27", "start_time": "29:20", "text": "And today with Google or Facebook or maybe a Twitter or Instagram, they're all having offices in India." }, { "end_time": "29:27", "start_time": "29:27", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "29:28", "start_time": "29:27", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "29:32", "start_time": "29:28", "text": "I mean LinkedIn cannot exist without India even though it's an American company." }, { "end_time": "29:38", "start_time": "29:32", "text": "And looking at the culture today maybe the prime minister, is promoting it, the government infrastructure." }, { "end_time": "29:40", "start_time": "29:39", "text": "Please ride on the way." }, { "end_time": "29:41", "start_time": "29:41", "text": "Please ride on the way." }, { "end_time": "29:44", "start_time": "29:41", "text": "Our generation, rode on the way of the IT culture." }, { "end_time": "29:44", "start_time": "29:44", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "29:52", "start_time": "29:44", "text": "So 20 years ago, we had the advantage of being that generation that define Indian, professionalism through an IT culture." }, { "end_time": "29:54", "start_time": "29:52", "text": "And today we rule the world through the IT." }, { "end_time": "29:58", "start_time": "29:54", "text": "I mean, you go across any country, we Indians are there in the IT field." }, { "end_time": "30:01", "start_time": "29:58", "text": "Your generation will be in the data field, the digital infrastructure." }, { "end_time": "30:03", "start_time": "30:01", "text": "Rule it and rule it nicely." }, { "end_time": "30:04", "start_time": "30:03", "text": "How to rule it?" }, { "end_time": "30:08", "start_time": "30:04", "text": "Number 1 is that you use it as a medium of education and business." }, { "end_time": "30:09", "start_time": "30:08", "text": "So what is the business model you understand?" }, { "end_time": "30:12", "start_time": "30:09", "text": "But you know what is happening So there is something called a soft power." }, { "end_time": "30:13", "start_time": "30:12", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "30:14", "start_time": "30:13", "text": "So what is economical power?" }, { "end_time": "30:15", "start_time": "30:14", "text": "What's economical power?" }, { "end_time": "30:16", "start_time": "30:15", "text": "I can make money out of it." }, { "end_time": "30:21", "start_time": "30:16", "text": "So if you do this particular broadcast maybe you'll get likes, you'll get video ads out of it." }, { "end_time": "30:22", "start_time": "30:21", "text": "That's the economic model." }, { "end_time": "30:26", "start_time": "30:22", "text": "But can you use the same platform to actually educate people on certain platform?" }, { "end_time": "30:30", "start_time": "30:26", "text": "For example, what we are doing is that we're talking about history, we're talking about Indian culture." }, { "end_time": "30:36", "start_time": "30:30", "text": "Let me tell you my dear friends that if you look at probably you create a video on Chanakya, I mean that's my area." }, { "end_time": "30:50", "start_time": "30:36", "text": "When I started learning Chanakya probably 20 years ago, I didn't even know China care and today by the grace of God I know something about China care but there are actually 1,000,000,000 people in India who don't know China care." }, { "end_time": "30:55", "start_time": "30:50", "text": "But I suddenly realized one thing, if 1,000,000,000 people don't know your market actually 7,000,000,000 people." }, { "end_time": "30:59", "start_time": "30:56", "text": "Do you think that the European sitting here knows about China care?" }, { "end_time": "31:00", "start_time": "30:59", "text": "He doesn't." }, { "end_time": "31:02", "start_time": "31:00", "text": "But if you educate him, he'll come to you." }, { "end_time": "31:06", "start_time": "31:02", "text": "Today morning, I'm telling you specifically to him, I had a person called Michael Raffel." }, { "end_time": "31:07", "start_time": "31:07", "text": "I don't even know." }, { "end_time": "31:11", "start_time": "31:07", "text": "So he he actually tweets me and gets in touch with me." }, { "end_time": "31:13", "start_time": "31:11", "text": "For the last 1 year, this guy has been following me." }, { "end_time": "31:17", "start_time": "31:13", "text": "For me, I never actually did a background research of who Michael is." }, { "end_time": "31:21", "start_time": "31:17", "text": "And then he writes me a long mail and says, actually, an European trying to find his identity." }, { "end_time": "31:23", "start_time": "31:21", "text": "He's not from India." }, { "end_time": "31:27", "start_time": "31:23", "text": "He's migrated to India just because he's wowed by the Indian yogic systems." }, { "end_time": "31:33", "start_time": "31:27", "text": "And I said, oh, India doesn't know about Indians or Indian knowledge but the world doesn't know about Indian knowledge." }, { "end_time": "31:40", "start_time": "31:33", "text": "So when I say how do you make YouTube or the social media work, believe me that 7,000,000,000 people are frustrated." }, { "end_time": "31:41", "start_time": "31:40", "text": "They don't have a direction in life." }, { "end_time": "31:42", "start_time": "31:41", "text": "They don't have a purpose in life." }, { "end_time": "31:43", "start_time": "31:42", "text": "They don't have knowledge." }, { "end_time": "31:50", "start_time": "31:43", "text": "So what the superficial knowledge we have at the level is something which probably we can give quality inputs." }, { "end_time": "31:56", "start_time": "31:50", "text": "Like if you talk about yoga today, today yoga has become a product or a service for 7,000,000,000 people." }, { "end_time": "31:56", "start_time": "31:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:58", "start_time": "31:56", "text": "Don't you think Arthashastra can do that?" }, { "end_time": "31:58", "start_time": "31:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:00", "start_time": "31:58", "text": "Maybe Indian wisdom, Indian Ayurveda can do that." }, { "end_time": "32:04", "start_time": "32:00", "text": "So use this platform to take India's soft power globally." }, { "end_time": "32:05", "start_time": "32:04", "text": "We don't have to attack people." }, { "end_time": "32:05", "start_time": "32:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:07", "start_time": "32:05", "text": "We have Indian Vedic systems." }, { "end_time": "32:08", "start_time": "32:07", "text": "Mathematics is there." }, { "end_time": "32:09", "start_time": "32:08", "text": "There are so many things." }, { "end_time": "32:10", "start_time": "32:10", "text": "First, study yourself." }, { "end_time": "32:16", "start_time": "32:11", "text": "So, you know, I'll give you 4 steps if you don't mind and I'll use a little bit of a Sanskrit words to it." }, { "end_time": "32:17", "start_time": "32:16", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "32:23", "start_time": "32:17", "text": "If suppose you take any particular field, I mean you decide which field and all our Indians have done solid research work in the past in that particular field." }, { "end_time": "32:25", "start_time": "32:23", "text": "So let me give you, politics." }, { "end_time": "32:30", "start_time": "32:26", "text": "The most hottest topic everybody talks about with the social media politics." }, { "end_time": "32:33", "start_time": "32:30", "text": "So, okay, we talk about Narendra Modiara, that's okay." }, { "end_time": "32:39", "start_time": "32:33", "text": "But then you say, okay, let me study and then say, okay, In India, we actually got democracy post 1947." }, { "end_time": "32:43", "start_time": "32:40", "text": "But we are always a country of monarchy for 1000 of years." }, { "end_time": "32:47", "start_time": "32:43", "text": "So actually, technically, democracy is a new thing for our country." }, { "end_time": "32:49", "start_time": "32:47", "text": "We are always having rajas." }, { "end_time": "32:51", "start_time": "32:49", "text": "Now I say, were we bad?" }, { "end_time": "32:52", "start_time": "32:51", "text": "Not really." }, { "end_time": "32:56", "start_time": "32:52", "text": "So what you do is that you go and study all those things and what were the Indian models of governance?" }, { "end_time": "32:57", "start_time": "32:56", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "33:03", "start_time": "32:57", "text": "So the first step, if you take a subject like politics, one is called study it, research on it." }, { "end_time": "33:06", "start_time": "33:03", "text": "Then the second step is, Anubhava." }, { "end_time": "33:08", "start_time": "33:06", "text": "You know, practice it yourself." }, { "end_time": "33:09", "start_time": "33:08", "text": "Don't just glorify it." }, { "end_time": "33:10", "start_time": "33:09", "text": "Try something on your Internship." }, { "end_time": "33:11", "start_time": "33:10", "text": "Internship." }, { "end_time": "33:12", "start_time": "33:11", "text": "So you study it." }, { "end_time": "33:13", "start_time": "33:12", "text": "So I study it." }, { "end_time": "33:14", "start_time": "33:13", "text": "I like your practice." }, { "end_time": "33:15", "start_time": "33:14", "text": "And third is called prachar." }, { "end_time": "33:17", "start_time": "33:16", "text": "What is a prachar?" }, { "end_time": "33:19", "start_time": "33:17", "text": "Prachar means share it." }, { "end_time": "33:23", "start_time": "33:19", "text": "Go like a missionary and not to, you know, convert somebody saying the Indian is the best." }, { "end_time": "33:25", "start_time": "33:23", "text": "But I'm making you aware of this also thing." }, { "end_time": "33:25", "start_time": "33:25", "text": "The prachar." }, { "end_time": "33:29", "start_time": "33:26", "text": "And the 4th and the most important is document it." }, { "end_time": "33:32", "start_time": "33:29", "text": "So it's very important to actually protect it." }, { "end_time": "33:41", "start_time": "33:35", "text": "So learn it, practice it, promote it, document it." }, { "end_time": "33:43", "start_time": "33:41", "text": "So if we can do the 4 steps, take only something." }, { "end_time": "33:48", "start_time": "33:43", "text": "If you like chemistry, you take biology, take aeroplane and we say, I don't know." }, { "end_time": "33:49", "start_time": "33:48", "text": "Study it." }, { "end_time": "33:55", "start_time": "33:49", "text": "Take a protocol, go into IIT, make a model out of it and actually this is an Indian model of aeroplane." }, { "end_time": "34:02", "start_time": "33:55", "text": "Probably you'll get some mathematics, take a Pythagoras theorem, take a gravitational theory, you decide natya shastra, arthya shastra, karma suddhu." }, { "end_time": "34:07", "start_time": "34:02", "text": "You decide what you want and then you experiment it and you look perfect and then finally you will find everything is spiritual." }, { "end_time": "34:13", "start_time": "34:08", "text": "See finally the beauty of India is that whatever subject you take finally you will come to Godhood." }, { "end_time": "34:19", "start_time": "34:13", "text": "Which country in this particular world has given every knowledge finally reaches you to the supreme which the westerners have called as self actualization." }, { "end_time": "34:22", "start_time": "34:20", "text": "Use social media for that." }, { "end_time": "34:23", "start_time": "34:22", "text": "Boom." }, { "end_time": "34:24", "start_time": "34:23", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "34:27", "start_time": "34:24", "text": "So so that was a general kind of help that you've put out there." }, { "end_time": "34:39", "start_time": "34:27", "text": "Now I wanna be selfish and ask you as the mentor monkey, you mentored like Viraj, myself, Rajas, what do we do to become the Elon Musk, the Steve Jobs of India now?" }, { "end_time": "34:40", "start_time": "34:39", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "34:42", "start_time": "34:40", "text": "So first of all I'm a student of your space." }, { "end_time": "34:43", "start_time": "34:42", "text": "I know." }, { "end_time": "34:46", "start_time": "34:43", "text": "So you call me big brother, but you feel you are bigger than me." }, { "end_time": "34:47", "start_time": "34:46", "text": "So let me accept that." }, { "end_time": "34:48", "start_time": "34:47", "text": "What can you do?" }, { "end_time": "34:48", "start_time": "34:48", "text": "Three things." }, { "end_time": "34:53", "start_time": "34:48", "text": "Definitely is that, you know, number 1 is that you need to create a road map." }, { "end_time": "34:53", "start_time": "34:53", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "34:57", "start_time": "34:53", "text": "So you know many times when we do any particular business, it starts with an idea." }, { "end_time": "35:00", "start_time": "34:58", "text": "But what a period of your time you should get into structures." }, { "end_time": "35:01", "start_time": "35:00", "text": "I'm sure you're working on that." }, { "end_time": "35:06", "start_time": "35:02", "text": "The second level and which is very important for you are not thinking about is getting to government policies." }, { "end_time": "35:08", "start_time": "35:07", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "35:09", "start_time": "35:08", "text": "I knew this is gonna come." }, { "end_time": "35:11", "start_time": "35:11", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "35:12", "start_time": "35:11", "text": "Social media was a government policy." }, { "end_time": "35:21", "start_time": "35:12", "text": "Remember one thing, government of India specifically is big about social media, but you only created a platform maybe all these channels." }, { "end_time": "35:27", "start_time": "35:21", "text": "But do you know you can actually get into policy decision making because in our country social media is not structured." }, { "end_time": "35:29", "start_time": "35:28", "text": "You can structure it." }, { "end_time": "35:31", "start_time": "35:30", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "35:32", "start_time": "35:32", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "35:35", "start_time": "35:32", "text": "And I'll give you a specific example how it happened in our generation." }, { "end_time": "35:38", "start_time": "35:35", "text": "When we started our generation started IT, do you think it was structured?" }, { "end_time": "35:44", "start_time": "35:38", "text": "Some guys experimenting here and there, some background, I buy a diaper, and suddenly the government decided there's lot of money in that." }, { "end_time": "35:47", "start_time": "35:45", "text": "It became an IT department." }, { "end_time": "35:51", "start_time": "35:47", "text": "Do you know we have an information technology department of the government of India, but it happened later on." }, { "end_time": "35:54", "start_time": "35:51", "text": "Why don't you go to the government and say that this is what the youth wants?" }, { "end_time": "35:55", "start_time": "35:54", "text": "Believe me, your moody will listen to you." }, { "end_time": "35:59", "start_time": "35:55", "text": "He is the biggest social media brand today across the globe." }, { "end_time": "36:01", "start_time": "35:59", "text": "And do you know he's got a team but it is not structured." }, { "end_time": "36:02", "start_time": "36:01", "text": "It's just evolving." }, { "end_time": "36:04", "start_time": "36:02", "text": "Geo is doing something, you are doing something unfuddling." }, { "end_time": "36:05", "start_time": "36:04", "text": "It's big." }, { "end_time": "36:10", "start_time": "36:05", "text": "It's very big but one thing if you don't partner with the government they can even kill you." }, { "end_time": "36:16", "start_time": "36:11", "text": "I'm not telling they will kill you but they can because the power of the government can never underestimate it." }, { "end_time": "36:19", "start_time": "36:16", "text": "So first of all the last 5 10 years what we have done was a baby step." }, { "end_time": "36:21", "start_time": "36:19", "text": "Now you have to think like an industry." }, { "end_time": "36:26", "start_time": "36:21", "text": "See many times if you look at film industry, do you know it got an industry station just 10 years ago?" }, { "end_time": "36:28", "start_time": "36:27", "text": "Are you aware of this?" }, { "end_time": "36:38", "start_time": "36:28", "text": "So a country has been having films for 100 years and then it was like making films creativity, you know, and Raja Harish and the black and white and some Raj Kapoor era." }, { "end_time": "36:41", "start_time": "36:39", "text": "And suddenly suddenly so many people are dependent." }, { "end_time": "36:42", "start_time": "36:41", "text": "Their livelihood is different." }, { "end_time": "36:43", "start_time": "36:42", "text": "People are migrating." }, { "end_time": "36:53", "start_time": "36:43", "text": "They produce the largest films and then some thinkers, evolved people in that particular field sat down and said okay, there are people who are the bread and butter is dependent on it." }, { "end_time": "36:57", "start_time": "36:53", "text": "And they went to the government of India, what it said is that please give us status of an industry." }, { "end_time": "36:59", "start_time": "36:57", "text": "What do you mean by status of industry?" }, { "end_time": "37:00", "start_time": "36:59", "text": "You get a lot of tax benefit." }, { "end_time": "37:02", "start_time": "37:01", "text": "You get a lot of funding." }, { "end_time": "37:07", "start_time": "37:02", "text": "Your organized sector, you get capital and you've got a minister who will tell you what to do and what not to do." }, { "end_time": "37:10", "start_time": "37:07", "text": "And you can tell the minister what we want and we already don't want." }, { "end_time": "37:13", "start_time": "37:10", "text": "Social media as a platform is at a very baby stage." }, { "end_time": "37:14", "start_time": "37:13", "text": "You can see the growth." }, { "end_time": "37:18", "start_time": "37:15", "text": "You will be surprised it's going to be a giant and a monster which can eat you." }, { "end_time": "37:19", "start_time": "37:19", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "37:20", "start_time": "37:19", "text": "But we said okay." }, { "end_time": "37:21", "start_time": "37:20", "text": "Let's look at the positive." }, { "end_time": "37:22", "start_time": "37:21", "text": "Go to the comment and say that's gonna go." }, { "end_time": "37:25", "start_time": "37:22", "text": "Don't you think social media is only gonna go to bigger and bigger with time?" }, { "end_time": "37:25", "start_time": "37:25", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "37:28", "start_time": "37:25", "text": "But have you ever thought of it that it can actually become a part of the government of India?" }, { "end_time": "37:29", "start_time": "37:28", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "37:30", "start_time": "37:30", "text": "But as a future." }, { "end_time": "37:41", "start_time": "37:31", "text": "That's where you have to be very smart and after 10 years, can Ranveer's show not just be a show but Ranveer and maybe 10 youtubers sit down and go to the p m o, which the film industry is doing by the way." }, { "end_time": "37:44", "start_time": "37:42", "text": "The best of the thinkers go and say this is what we want." }, { "end_time": "37:46", "start_time": "37:44", "text": "We want the tax benefit, we want this, we want people." }, { "end_time": "37:52", "start_time": "37:46", "text": "And today the film industry has evolved to such an extent that today we have a Bahubali which actually gets 100 crores." }, { "end_time": "37:59", "start_time": "37:52", "text": "But tomorrow if you want an investment, you can actually get organized, invested and probably you can list your company in a stock market." }, { "end_time": "38:03", "start_time": "38:00", "text": "The first things Maybe." }, { "end_time": "38:06", "start_time": "38:04", "text": "So first thing was structure yourself." }, { "end_time": "38:07", "start_time": "38:06", "text": "2nd is get into government policy." }, { "end_time": "38:11", "start_time": "38:07", "text": "And the last and the most important thing is that ask yourself when are you gonna exit it?" }, { "end_time": "38:14", "start_time": "38:14", "text": "Exit." }, { "end_time": "38:16", "start_time": "38:14", "text": "Sorry I'm a teacher." }, { "end_time": "38:17", "start_time": "38:16", "text": "I look at from the Indian wisdom." }, { "end_time": "38:25", "start_time": "38:18", "text": "You will be away probably after 20, 30, 50 years but the organization that you start, the company that you start should be sustainable." }, { "end_time": "38:27", "start_time": "38:26", "text": "When I go to exit social media." }, { "end_time": "38:29", "start_time": "38:28", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "38:30", "start_time": "38:29", "text": "Is that a question or like No." }, { "end_time": "38:31", "start_time": "38:30", "text": "It's a question." }, { "end_time": "38:32", "start_time": "38:31", "text": "It's a very serious question." }, { "end_time": "38:34", "start_time": "38:32", "text": "Believe me, industries that grow." }, { "end_time": "38:37", "start_time": "38:34", "text": "So for example, probably Raj Kapoor is gone." }, { "end_time": "38:38", "start_time": "38:37", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "38:40", "start_time": "38:38", "text": "But unfortunately, the company also died with him." }, { "end_time": "38:41", "start_time": "38:40", "text": "R k films." }, { "end_time": "38:42", "start_time": "38:41", "text": "Do you want such a language?" }, { "end_time": "38:44", "start_time": "38:42", "text": "What do you create in a lifetime?" }, { "end_time": "38:46", "start_time": "38:44", "text": "Or you want to be Steve Jobs or Elon Musk?" }, { "end_time": "38:49", "start_time": "38:46", "text": "Steve Jobs is not Steve Jobs because he created Apple." }, { "end_time": "38:53", "start_time": "38:49", "text": "Steve Jobs is Steve Jobs because Apple continues to grow after Steve Jobs." }, { "end_time": "38:55", "start_time": "38:54", "text": "We have that vision." }, { "end_time": "38:55", "start_time": "38:55", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "38:56", "start_time": "38:56", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "39:00", "start_time": "38:56", "text": "But getting the structures, getting the government policies and getting the leadership succession." }, { "end_time": "39:02", "start_time": "39:00", "text": "Because after 40 50 you will slow down." }, { "end_time": "39:03", "start_time": "39:02", "text": "It's natural phase." }, { "end_time": "39:04", "start_time": "39:03", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "39:07", "start_time": "39:04", "text": "But then you should have the young energetic team who will make it better." }, { "end_time": "39:13", "start_time": "39:08", "text": "So if India and Bollywood has got somebody called as Dharma production, Karan Johar, do you know the history?" }, { "end_time": "39:18", "start_time": "39:14", "text": "Not many people know that actually the foundation of Dharma production is not Karan Johar." }, { "end_time": "39:20", "start_time": "39:18", "text": "It's actually his father." }, { "end_time": "39:20", "start_time": "39:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "39:20", "start_time": "39:20", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "39:21", "start_time": "39:20", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "39:23", "start_time": "39:21", "text": "So he's gone, but Dharma production is taken forward." }, { "end_time": "39:25", "start_time": "39:23", "text": "I'm telling you social media will be young." }, { "end_time": "39:26", "start_time": "39:25", "text": "It may be baby stage for you." }, { "end_time": "39:31", "start_time": "39:26", "text": "3, 4, 5, 7 years but believe me, you're to think saying that after 3 generations what's gonna happen?" }, { "end_time": "39:32", "start_time": "39:31", "text": "Start thinking now." }, { "end_time": "39:34", "start_time": "39:32", "text": "That's when China builds an empire." }, { "end_time": "39:37", "start_time": "39:34", "text": "He says, you know, what's gonna happen after a 100 years, after maybe 500 years." }, { "end_time": "39:43", "start_time": "39:38", "text": "The foundations of social media should be so strong and it's a sustainable model for generations to come." }, { "end_time": "39:45", "start_time": "39:43", "text": "Of course with innovation and adaptability to change." }, { "end_time": "39:46", "start_time": "39:45", "text": "Alright, Premja." }, { "end_time": "39:50", "start_time": "39:46", "text": "And so my final question to you super quick is that what are the different industries that young India should look at and say, growth." }, { "end_time": "39:55", "start_time": "39:50", "text": "That's why I'll grow my own that's why I'll grow my own career." }, { "end_time": "39:56", "start_time": "39:55", "text": "There are 2 ways of looking at it." }, { "end_time": "39:59", "start_time": "39:56", "text": "There are many industries and for me the number one industry is travel." }, { "end_time": "40:01", "start_time": "40:00", "text": "It's the reason kya." }, { "end_time": "40:06", "start_time": "40:01", "text": "Traditionally if you look at it and the Marwadi communities, the Gujarati communities know this very well." }, { "end_time": "40:08", "start_time": "40:07", "text": "People will eat, isn't it?" }, { "end_time": "40:08", "start_time": "40:08", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "40:11", "start_time": "40:08", "text": "So food industry will always be there with lot of innovation." }, { "end_time": "40:13", "start_time": "40:11", "text": "Kapara, we like fashion, fiber." }, { "end_time": "40:13", "start_time": "40:13", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "40:19", "start_time": "40:13", "text": "Makan, you know, we always like housing infrastructure, but we have forgotten that one of the key industries for India's travel." }, { "end_time": "40:20", "start_time": "40:19", "text": "We love to travel, isn't it?" }, { "end_time": "40:22", "start_time": "40:20", "text": "We just came back from Nagpur." }, { "end_time": "40:23", "start_time": "40:22", "text": "No more you're gonna go there." }, { "end_time": "40:26", "start_time": "40:23", "text": "Airline industry, hotel industry, everything is interconnected." }, { "end_time": "40:29", "start_time": "40:26", "text": "We actually don't give importance to travel in this particular country." }, { "end_time": "40:30", "start_time": "40:29", "text": "Travel is not a career." }, { "end_time": "40:30", "start_time": "40:30", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "40:32", "start_time": "40:30", "text": "It is something that you do logistically." }, { "end_time": "40:33", "start_time": "40:32", "text": "But do you know how big it is?" }, { "end_time": "40:36", "start_time": "40:33", "text": "And it's unfortunate that jet terrorist failed in such an industry." }, { "end_time": "40:36", "start_time": "40:36", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "40:40", "start_time": "40:36", "text": "Somewhere the management system didn't know but it's not good for an economy." }, { "end_time": "40:46", "start_time": "40:40", "text": "So when I say travel, not when I speak to a lot of people, all the career options, engineers, doctors, you know, slowly that's dying off." }, { "end_time": "40:50", "start_time": "40:46", "text": "The whole idea is that they never looked at travel which is India's biggest thing." }, { "end_time": "40:52", "start_time": "40:50", "text": "There are countries which are dependent on travel." }, { "end_time": "40:55", "start_time": "40:52", "text": "If you look at Singapore or many other countries, how can we not look at it?" }, { "end_time": "40:58", "start_time": "40:55", "text": "So coming back to the young generation should give importance to travel." }, { "end_time": "41:04", "start_time": "40:58", "text": "2nd industry problem it's very important to know is anything and everything connected to heritage." }, { "end_time": "41:07", "start_time": "41:05", "text": "See Indian heritage is coming back in its big way." }, { "end_time": "41:12", "start_time": "41:07", "text": "For example, again thanks to Modi ji, he's promoting a lot of cultural tourism." }, { "end_time": "41:14", "start_time": "41:12", "text": "But cultural tourism is not about the travel." }, { "end_time": "41:15", "start_time": "41:14", "text": "I already told you about travels." }, { "end_time": "41:18", "start_time": "41:15", "text": "When you go to a particular place, can you hold them?" }, { "end_time": "41:18", "start_time": "41:18", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "41:19", "start_time": "41:18", "text": "Maybe do a research." }, { "end_time": "41:20", "start_time": "41:19", "text": "So let me give an example." }, { "end_time": "41:22", "start_time": "41:20", "text": "If you go to Ujjain temple." }, { "end_time": "41:23", "start_time": "41:22", "text": "Ujjain temple?" }, { "end_time": "41:25", "start_time": "41:23", "text": "Man Shiva great temple?" }, { "end_time": "41:25", "start_time": "41:25", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "41:30", "start_time": "41:25", "text": "But there is a system of knowledge in Ujjain temple that if you go there, they'll actually tell you whether your grandfather came to this temple." }, { "end_time": "41:32", "start_time": "41:31", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "41:39", "start_time": "41:33", "text": "If you actually go to places like Tirupati or you go to Kerala, their knowledge system we don't know." }, { "end_time": "41:41", "start_time": "41:39", "text": "So what I'm saying is young people can get into research." }, { "end_time": "41:56", "start_time": "41:41", "text": "And very important, if you look at current budget, even Nirmala Sitharaman, her first female full time finance minister actually has announced huge huge huge points for r and d, research and development." }, { "end_time": "41:59", "start_time": "41:57", "text": "So what I'm saying is that when are we looking at research?" }, { "end_time": "42:06", "start_time": "41:59", "text": "For example, if you want to do research on social media, actually you can get 100 crores from the government of India or any particular field, IIT, IIM." }, { "end_time": "42:10", "start_time": "42:06", "text": "So what I'm saying that this youth is full of opportunities but we are not thinking like a researcher." }, { "end_time": "42:11", "start_time": "42:10", "text": "We're not looking at the future." }, { "end_time": "42:13", "start_time": "42:11", "text": "We are looking at you know what what is innovation." }, { "end_time": "42:17", "start_time": "42:13", "text": "But 5 years after that, 5 years apple puts a lot of money in research." }, { "end_time": "42:18", "start_time": "42:17", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "42:20", "start_time": "42:18", "text": "Luckily there are Indian companies for example, Patanjali." }, { "end_time": "42:22", "start_time": "42:21", "text": "Like Baba Ramdev, do you know?" }, { "end_time": "42:26", "start_time": "42:23", "text": "500 crores is their annual budget for research for RND." }, { "end_time": "42:31", "start_time": "42:27", "text": "And that's why they just go and, you know, almost touch Unilever in 1 5 years." }, { "end_time": "42:33", "start_time": "42:32", "text": "We don't see." }, { "end_time": "42:45", "start_time": "42:37", "text": "So what I'm saying is whatever be your field, I think the youth should focus on various industries but whichever industry you are, the automobile industry, the research is the future." }, { "end_time": "42:46", "start_time": "42:46", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "42:46", "start_time": "42:46", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "42:48", "start_time": "42:46", "text": "So that's the key decision?" }, { "end_time": "42:50", "start_time": "42:48", "text": "India went down because they stopped doing research?" }, { "end_time": "42:50", "start_time": "42:50", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "42:51", "start_time": "42:50", "text": "I totally feel that." }, { "end_time": "42:51", "start_time": "42:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:54", "start_time": "42:51", "text": "Going up because they will do research." }, { "end_time": "42:54", "start_time": "42:54", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "42:56", "start_time": "42:54", "text": "Anyway, thank you Radha sir again." }, { "end_time": "42:58", "start_time": "42:56", "text": "Another episode of monkey chat has blown me away." }, { "end_time": "43:00", "start_time": "42:58", "text": "I'm sure it's blown you away as well." }, { "end_time": "43:01", "start_time": "43:00", "text": "Thank you Radha sir." }, { "end_time": "43:05", "start_time": "43:01", "text": "Obviously, I'll be linking Radha sir's handles down below, his books down below." }, { "end_time": "43:06", "start_time": "43:05", "text": "Make sure you go check it out." }, { "end_time": "43:07", "start_time": "43:06", "text": "Make sure you buy." }, { "end_time": "43:08", "start_time": "43:07", "text": "Make sure you subscribe to We Are Buysas." }, { "end_time": "43:09", "start_time": "43:08", "text": "Make sure you follow Radha sir." }, { "end_time": "43:14", "start_time": "43:10", "text": "And from this super intelligent conversation, we will see you later." }, { "end_time": "43:14", "start_time": "43:14", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "43:15", "start_time": "43:14", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "43:16", "start_time": "43:15", "text": "It's been an honor to be here." }, { "end_time": "43:17", "start_time": "43:17", "text": "Thank you, sir." } ] }

[ { "content": "**Task Description:** \nYou are provided with a YouTube video transcript in JSON format, where each entry is synchronized with its respective timestamp. This transcript contains the spoken text along with its start and end times. Your objective is to generate high-quality, chapter-wise segments that accurately represent key points or transitions within the video.\n\n**Transcript JSON Format:** \nThe transcript is formatted as a list of dictionaries, where each dictionary represents a spoken sentence, including its text and corresponding start and end times.\n\n**Example Transcript:** \n```json\n[\n {\n \"text\": \"The narrative in the public eye is that you left working with the Modi government because your opinions weren't heard.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:07\"\n },\n {\n \"text\": \"I want to know your side of the story.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:08\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:10\"\n },\n ...\n]\n```\n\n**Your Task:** \nUsing the given transcript, generate a JSON output that breaks down the video into meaningful chapters. Each chapter should encapsulate a key segment of the video and be accompanied by a concise, informative title that reflects the essence of that segment.\n\n**Chapter JSON Format:** \nThe output should follow this structure:\n```json\n{\n \"chapters\": [\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"title\": \"Introduction and Opening Remarks\"\n },\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:07\",\n \"title\": \"Discussing the Exit from Modi Government\"\n },\n ...\n ]\n}\n```\n\n**Requirements:** \n1. **Identify Key Segments:** Extract significant portions of the transcript that represent shifts in topic, important discussions, or transitions in conversation.\n2. **Craft Informative Titles:** Each chapter title should be clear, engaging, and directly related to the content covered in that segment.\n3. **Preserve Time Stamps:** Ensure that each chapter's `start_time` corresponds to the first instance of a key topic or segment in the transcript.\n4. **Conciseness is Key:** While titles should be descriptive, avoid making them overly lengthy. Aim for a balance between informativeness and brevity.", "role": "system" }, { "content": "{'transcripts': array([{'end_time': '0:05', 'start_time': '0:00', 'text': \"Monkey chat's back featuring another episode with India's smartest man Radhakrishnan Pillai.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:13', 'start_time': '0:05', 'text': \"If there's any human who knows as much about the history of India as this man does, bring him to monkey chat because I have not met anyone like that.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:17', 'start_time': '0:13', 'text': \"You know, growing up, we're always told that India ko sonne ki chhediya bulaaya jata.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:19', 'start_time': '0:17', 'text': 'India was one of the richest countries in the world.'},\n {'end_time': '0:24', 'start_time': '0:19', 'text': \"So in today's episode, we break down exactly what made ancient India so rich, in detail, okay.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:25', 'start_time': '0:24', 'text': \"You're gonna learn a lot from this episode.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:38', 'start_time': '0:26', 'text': \"You're also gonna learn what made us poor in the long term, how the British stole money exactly, how the European imperialism movements stole money exactly from us and you're also going to learn how India's becoming rich again.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:49', 'start_time': '0:38', 'text': \"We're on par towards becoming one of the richest countries in the world once again and if you wanna be a part of that richness wave and make your own money through that wave, if you wanna become rich in life, this is the episode for you.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:55', 'start_time': '0:49', 'text': 'So if you want to create the best possible future for yourself, learn in detail about the past of this country.'},\n {'end_time': '0:57', 'start_time': '0:55', 'text': 'Watch the entire episode.'},\n {'end_time': '0:58', 'start_time': '0:57', 'text': \"There's a lot of value to be gained.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:02', 'start_time': '0:58', 'text': 'Enjoy with one of the smartest men in India, doctor Radhakrishnan Pillai.'},\n {'end_time': '1:07', 'start_time': '1:03', 'text': 'This is gonna be one of the most motivational episodes of monkey chat.'},\n {'end_time': '1:08', 'start_time': '1:07', 'text': \"We're gonna talk about the concept.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:14', 'start_time': '1:09', 'text': 'Bharat was once one of the richest countries in the world, the richest country in the world.'},\n {'end_time': '1:18', 'start_time': '1:14', 'text': 'We went on to become one of the poorest countries in the world, thanks to British rule, thanks to European invasions.'},\n {'end_time': '1:21', 'start_time': '1:19', 'text': 'And who better to talk about history than Radha, sir?'},\n {'end_time': '1:23', 'start_time': '1:21', 'text': 'Welcome to monkey chat again, sir.'},\n {'end_time': '1:26', 'start_time': '1:23', 'text': 'So we got to talk very openly about this whole concept.'},\n {'end_time': '1:29', 'start_time': '1:26', 'text': 'My whole generation is told that we were very rich at one point of time.'},\n {'end_time': '1:35', 'start_time': '1:29', 'text': \"And we're also told that we are part of the world's biggest economy now, fastest growing economy.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:44', 'start_time': '1:35', 'text': \"So all of us, my entire generation will have a lot of billionaires, will be amongst the world's richest people and we're a special generation because we had that focal point.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:50', 'start_time': '1:44', 'text': \"We've seen our parents' generation which was kind of middle class, upper middle class and now I'm dead sure that we're gonna see a lot of riches.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:50', 'start_time': '1:50', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '1:51', 'start_time': '1:50', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '1:54', 'start_time': '1:52', 'text': \"Let's start the story at the back, sir.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:54', 'start_time': '1:54', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '1:54', 'start_time': '1:54', 'text': 'Sure.'},\n {'end_time': '1:57', 'start_time': '1:54', 'text': 'How did India get rich in the first place firstly in ancient times?'},\n {'end_time': '1:59', 'start_time': '1:57', 'text': 'Like, were we doing correct business?'},\n {'end_time': '2:02', 'start_time': '2:00', 'text': 'Were we selling a lot of, ancient gemstones?'},\n {'end_time': '2:03', 'start_time': '2:03', 'text': 'What was happening?'},\n {'end_time': '2:07', 'start_time': '2:04', 'text': 'So there are many factors because of which India became very rich.'},\n {'end_time': '2:09', 'start_time': '2:07', 'text': 'To begin with, nature blessed us.'},\n {'end_time': '2:13', 'start_time': '2:09', 'text': 'Even today, if you look at it geographically, we are positioned very rightly.'},\n {'end_time': '2:18', 'start_time': '2:13', 'text': 'We got, the nature with all things that is very positive for an economic development.'},\n {'end_time': '2:21', 'start_time': '2:19', 'text': 'For example, if you look at it, we got defined seasons.'},\n {'end_time': '2:23', 'start_time': '2:22', 'text': 'Not many countries have it.'},\n {'end_time': '2:24', 'start_time': '2:23', 'text': 'So we have a rainy season.'},\n {'end_time': '2:25', 'start_time': '2:24', 'text': 'We have a summer season.'},\n {'end_time': '2:27', 'start_time': '2:25', 'text': 'We got a lot of greenery, flora, and fauna.'},\n {'end_time': '2:28', 'start_time': '2:27', 'text': 'We got the ocean.'},\n {'end_time': '2:29', 'start_time': '2:28', 'text': 'Coastline.'},\n {'end_time': '2:29', 'start_time': '2:29', 'text': 'Coastline.'},\n {'end_time': '2:33', 'start_time': '2:30', 'text': 'So if you look at it, not many countries have this advantages.'},\n {'end_time': '2:35', 'start_time': '2:33', 'text': 'Some countries are completely desert.'},\n {'end_time': '2:36', 'start_time': '2:35', 'text': 'Some people under snow.'},\n {'end_time': '2:37', 'start_time': '2:36', 'text': 'So you have the right mix.'},\n {'end_time': '2:42', 'start_time': '2:38', 'text': \"The second is that, it's quite surprising that we actually focused on research.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:42', 'start_time': '2:42', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '2:43', 'start_time': '2:42', 'text': 'People r and d.'},\n {'end_time': '2:44', 'start_time': '2:43', 'text': 'R and d.'},\n {'end_time': '2:50', 'start_time': '2:44', 'text': 'So every field that we were in, if you look at it 100 1000 years back, we were the people who contributed.'},\n {'end_time': '2:55', 'start_time': '2:50', 'text': 'So if you look at metallurgy, if you look at architectures, we had built the best monuments across the globe.'},\n {'end_time': '3:02', 'start_time': '2:56', 'text': 'The third and the most important thing is that we had a very different and interesting social system.'},\n {'end_time': '3:05', 'start_time': '3:02', 'text': 'You cannot bring, become rich individually.'},\n {'end_time': '3:06', 'start_time': '3:05', 'text': 'You know, there there is a community.'},\n {'end_time': '3:07', 'start_time': '3:06', 'text': \"There's a family.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:15', 'start_time': '3:07', 'text': 'So what happened is that somewhere, if you look at it, the kind of a professions that we followed during those early times were very, very defined and structured.'},\n {'end_time': '3:23', 'start_time': '3:16', 'text': \"Let me go back and it's quite surprising that you may never have heard about a process called as Jati Puran.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:23', 'start_time': '3:23', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '3:27', 'start_time': '3:23', 'text': 'So if you look at the word jati, people say, you know, jati vivad hooray.'},\n {'end_time': '3:33', 'start_time': '3:27', 'text': 'But you know, jati is actually a profession, and every profession actually had an SOP, standard operating process books.'},\n {'end_time': '3:43', 'start_time': '3:33', 'text': 'And 1000 years ago, suppose you were born a doctor, and, of course, if your parent was a doctor and you want to be a doctor and your children want to be a doctor, there is a process and you follow the family business.'},\n {'end_time': '3:46', 'start_time': '3:43', 'text': \"If you don't want to be a doctor also, you can leave.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:52', 'start_time': '3:46', 'text': 'But 1000 of years, maybe 10, 15 generations, you have perfected the particular art of medicine and research.'},\n {'end_time': '3:53', 'start_time': '3:52', 'text': 'It was documented.'},\n {'end_time': '3:56', 'start_time': '3:54', 'text': \"So if you're in the shipping business, it was documented.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:05', 'start_time': '3:57', 'text': 'So if you look at why India was the richest country in the world that we did lot of things simultaneously over many generations we got into a perfect system.'},\n {'end_time': '4:11', 'start_time': '4:06', 'text': 'Unfortunately, what has happened is that we have lost that particular continuity of knowledge evolution.'},\n {'end_time': '4:12', 'start_time': '4:11', 'text': 'So knowledge evolves.'},\n {'end_time': '4:16', 'start_time': '4:12', 'text': 'As in we kept learning and then that learning process stopped.'},\n {'end_time': '4:17', 'start_time': '4:16', 'text': 'It it stopped.'},\n {'end_time': '4:18', 'start_time': '4:17', 'text': 'Exactly.'},\n {'end_time': '4:21', 'start_time': '4:18', 'text': 'So if you go back to the past, why the whole world came to us?'},\n {'end_time': '4:23', 'start_time': '4:21', 'text': 'We were the richest part of the world.'},\n {'end_time': '4:26', 'start_time': '4:23', 'text': \"Even though we were trading with other countries, we're a very self sufficient nature.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:27', 'start_time': '4:26', 'text': 'I mean, country.'},\n {'end_time': '4:29', 'start_time': '4:27', 'text': 'Nature, gave us that particular opportunity.'},\n {'end_time': '4:37', 'start_time': '4:30', 'text': 'But the thing is that after so many, generations of foreign invasions, we lost out on so many things which actually made us the richest part of the world.'},\n {'end_time': '4:41', 'start_time': '4:37', 'text': 'Like like for example, the traditional businesses are getting challenged.'},\n {'end_time': '4:45', 'start_time': '4:41', 'text': 'Instead of evolving, it is actually getting shut off.'},\n {'end_time': '4:46', 'start_time': '4:45', 'text': 'So let me give you a specific example.'},\n {'end_time': '4:52', 'start_time': '4:47', 'text': 'Do you know Gujarat actually was the point where lot of trading and shipping used to happen?'},\n {'end_time': '4:56', 'start_time': '4:52', 'text': 'So if you look at the Gujarat coastal belt, you know, though actually the foreigners came through that road.'},\n {'end_time': '4:58', 'start_time': '4:56', 'text': 'So the Parsis came from that.'},\n {'end_time': '5:03', 'start_time': '4:58', 'text': 'And today, it Britishers actually changed it from Gujarat to Kolkata and now Mumbai.'},\n {'end_time': '5:04', 'start_time': '5:04', 'text': 'Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '5:11', 'start_time': '5:04', 'text': 'So in Gujarat, traditionally, there were a lot of communities who were very good in shipping as an industry, in boat building, in ship building.'},\n {'end_time': '5:13', 'start_time': '5:12', 'text': 'In Gujarat, there are a lot of ports.'},\n {'end_time': '5:14', 'start_time': '5:13', 'text': 'Where are they?'},\n {'end_time': '5:16', 'start_time': '5:14', 'text': 'All the Gujaratis have migrated across the globe.'},\n {'end_time': '5:18', 'start_time': '5:16', 'text': 'Why did the British do this?'},\n {'end_time': '5:20', 'start_time': '5:18', 'text': 'They intentionally wanted to spoil this thing about India.'},\n {'end_time': '5:25', 'start_time': '5:21', 'text': 'So let me go back to the history of British.'},\n {'end_time': '5:33', 'start_time': '5:25', 'text': 'British actually were a part of a particular, you know, community or a particular group which came from Europe.'},\n {'end_time': '5:36', 'start_time': '5:33', 'text': 'And Europe, if you look at it, it looks very beautiful scenic wise.'},\n {'end_time': '5:41', 'start_time': '5:37', 'text': \"But if you look at another side of it, it doesn't have that much natural advantages that we have.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:42', 'start_time': '5:41', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '5:44', 'start_time': '5:42', 'text': 'So there are, you know, it can rain anytime.'},\n {'end_time': '5:47', 'start_time': '5:45', 'text': 'There are so many pluses and minuses over.'},\n {'end_time': '5:50', 'start_time': '5:47', 'text': 'So they actually explored the world for a lot of trade activities.'},\n {'end_time': '5:55', 'start_time': '5:50', 'text': 'So when they landed up in India, actually it was East India Company which was a trading company.'},\n {'end_time': '5:56', 'start_time': '5:55', 'text': 'We hear about it.'},\n {'end_time': '6:02', 'start_time': '5:56', 'text': 'And the French and the Spanish, they came as a trade opportunity because we had spices, we had tea, we had coffee.'},\n {'end_time': '6:03', 'start_time': '6:02', 'text': \"I don't know.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:05', 'start_time': '6:03', 'text': 'We had everything in the world which they did not have.'},\n {'end_time': '6:07', 'start_time': '6:05', 'text': 'So spices is not very popular in Europe.'},\n {'end_time': '6:08', 'start_time': '6:07', 'text': 'They took it.'},\n {'end_time': '6:13', 'start_time': '6:08', 'text': 'If you go to Europe even today, actually they eat very bland food.'},\n {'end_time': '6:15', 'start_time': '6:13', 'text': 'Varieties of, food.'},\n {'end_time': '6:19', 'start_time': '6:16', 'text': 'So when they came in, they actually never thought that they will rule it.'},\n {'end_time': '6:22', 'start_time': '6:19', 'text': 'They came as a trading people and slowly so the Eastern became so big.'},\n {'end_time': '6:25', 'start_time': '6:22', 'text': 'The British parliament and all the queens and all the intellectuals said, okay.'},\n {'end_time': '6:27', 'start_time': '6:25', 'text': 'Now you have your own little office here.'},\n {'end_time': '6:28', 'start_time': '6:27', 'text': 'It became so big.'},\n {'end_time': '6:35', 'start_time': '6:28', 'text': 'You have your own army also and suddenly the east India company, which was a trading company, actually became a revenue for the Britishers.'},\n {'end_time': '6:35', 'start_time': '6:35', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '6:36', 'start_time': '6:35', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '6:42', 'start_time': '6:36', 'text': 'So coming back what is the thing that we lost is that we had a lot of traditional practices and Britishers actually broke many of them.'},\n {'end_time': '6:46', 'start_time': '6:42', 'text': 'So the shipping industry actually got destroyed in its own way.'},\n {'end_time': '6:52', 'start_time': '6:46', 'text': \"The the whole industries that we had as traditional practices, we don't see much of them continue.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:55', 'start_time': '6:52', 'text': 'Can you, like, quickly name 3 other things like the shipping industry that got destroyed?'},\n {'end_time': '6:57', 'start_time': '6:55', 'text': 'So let me speak speak about Ayurveda.'},\n {'end_time': '7:04', 'start_time': '6:57', 'text': 'You know, Ayurveda was a part of our and then nadi will nadi will still tell you, you know, this is what you use.'},\n {'end_time': '7:07', 'start_time': '7:04', 'text': 'But where do we have the Ayurvedic system today in India?'},\n {'end_time': '7:10', 'start_time': '7:07', 'text': \"It's kind of looked down upon also by society in a lot of aspects.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:10', 'start_time': '7:10', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '7:12', 'start_time': '7:11', 'text': 'But Ayurvedic research.'},\n {'end_time': '7:21', 'start_time': '7:13', 'text': \"So what happened is that today probably in Kerala you have some Ayurvedic, systems going on and typically it's Ayurvedic massage and Panchoja system.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:22', 'start_time': '7:22', 'text': 'But you know what?'},\n {'end_time': '7:29', 'start_time': '7:22', 'text': \"People don't know that traditionally we used to do a lot of research in Ayurveda and say, okay, we used to do operations based on it.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:30', 'start_time': '7:29', 'text': \"So it's all gone.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:31', 'start_time': '7:30', 'text': 'Today, allopathy has taken over.'},\n {'end_time': '7:33', 'start_time': '7:31', 'text': 'Nothing wrong, but the r and d destroyed.'},\n {'end_time': '7:43', 'start_time': '7:33', 'text': \"2nd is yoga systems, which now luckily it's getting so if you look at the system of yoga, we had yogic teachers and we mentioned about this in the, previous episodes also Kriya yoga.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:44', 'start_time': '7:43', 'text': \"Patanjali's yoga sutra.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:46', 'start_time': '7:44', 'text': 'Now these are all systems of yoga.'},\n {'end_time': '7:49', 'start_time': '7:46', 'text': 'So So if you look at Ayurveda yoga, everything gone.'},\n {'end_time': '7:56', 'start_time': '7:49', 'text': \"The 3rd industry which I definitely want to talk about, I'm very proud about, we were actually people who gave the best metallurgy to the world.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:56', 'start_time': '7:56', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '7:59', 'start_time': '7:56', 'text': 'We were actually people who knew what to do with metals.'},\n {'end_time': '7:59', 'start_time': '7:59', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '8:02', 'start_time': '7:59', 'text': 'We were a As in make good weapons or, like, anything.'},\n {'end_time': '8:04', 'start_time': '8:03', 'text': 'So metals and its applications.'},\n {'end_time': '8:06', 'start_time': '8:04', 'text': 'So weaponry is one part of it.'},\n {'end_time': '8:08', 'start_time': '8:06', 'text': 'But if you look at the ornaments Oh, okay.'},\n {'end_time': '8:10', 'start_time': '8:08', 'text': 'So we were a country full of gold.'},\n {'end_time': '8:11', 'start_time': '8:10', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '8:18', 'start_time': '8:11', 'text': 'If you look at all the temples, be it, you know, Tirupati or you go to Kerala or you so today we have these temples where gold is given.'},\n {'end_time': '8:21', 'start_time': '8:18', 'text': 'Without a goldsmith or a blacksmith, there no village was complete.'},\n {'end_time': '8:22', 'start_time': '8:21', 'text': 'So there was something.'},\n {'end_time': '8:26', 'start_time': '8:22', 'text': 'If you had 6 like villages, probably every particular village had a goldsmith.'},\n {'end_time': '8:29', 'start_time': '8:26', 'text': 'So they were so evolved And let me tell you about Arthashastra.'},\n {'end_time': '8:36', 'start_time': '8:29', 'text': 'Arthashastra is a very good document of going back to Indian history 2,004 years ago and say why we were the richest part of the world.'},\n {'end_time': '8:39', 'start_time': '8:36', 'text': 'We actually were the first to have coinage systems.'},\n {'end_time': '8:39', 'start_time': '8:39', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '8:40', 'start_time': '8:39', 'text': 'Instead of barter?'},\n {'end_time': '8:42', 'start_time': '8:40', 'text': 'In the barter plus coinage.'},\n {'end_time': '8:42', 'start_time': '8:42', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '8:45', 'start_time': '8:42', 'text': 'So barter is one of the important even today we do barters.'},\n {'end_time': '8:46', 'start_time': '8:45', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '8:46', 'start_time': '8:46', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '8:49', 'start_time': '8:46', 'text': \"So when we're going to do a show or maybe a movie, we do barters.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:49', 'start_time': '8:49', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '8:53', 'start_time': '8:49', 'text': \"So the barter system continues because it's more about understanding, you know.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:54', 'start_time': '8:53', 'text': 'I give you this, you give me that.'},\n {'end_time': '9:00', 'start_time': '8:54', 'text': \"But that's not a perfect economic model because I may be giving you something worth 100 rupees, but you may be partnering with 20 rupees.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:00', 'start_time': '9:00', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '9:04', 'start_time': '9:00', 'text': 'The coinage system has got a value which is commonly accepted by both.'},\n {'end_time': '9:04', 'start_time': '9:04', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '9:10', 'start_time': '9:04', 'text': 'So India 1000 of years ago actually had a coinage system much before all this banking system in all the world.'},\n {'end_time': '9:15', 'start_time': '9:10', 'text': 'So what is important is that we had certain very, very futuristic vision.'},\n {'end_time': '9:16', 'start_time': '9:15', 'text': 'Futuristic and very sustainable.'},\n {'end_time': '9:19', 'start_time': '9:16', 'text': 'I think today we talk about sustainability as a keyword.'},\n {'end_time': '9:23', 'start_time': '9:19', 'text': 'We had sustainable models and that is exactly why India was the richest part of the world.'},\n {'end_time': '9:24', 'start_time': '9:23', 'text': 'World.'},\n {'end_time': '9:25', 'start_time': '9:24', 'text': 'Then what went wrong?'},\n {'end_time': '9:26', 'start_time': '9:25', 'text': 'Why did we lose all our money?'},\n {'end_time': '9:28', 'start_time': '9:26', 'text': 'Oh, we stopped research.'},\n {'end_time': '9:29', 'start_time': '9:28', 'text': 'Really?'},\n {'end_time': '9:33', 'start_time': '9:29', 'text': 'So once you think that we actually lost out because of our own arrogance?'},\n {'end_time': '9:40', 'start_time': '9:33', 'text': 'Because the general perception is that the invaders came, they spoiled it but I feel that if something went wrong, there must have been something that went wrong in your house as well.'},\n {'end_time': '9:41', 'start_time': '9:40', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '9:41', 'start_time': '9:41', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '9:43', 'start_time': '9:41', 'text': 'So there are, multiple theories to it.'},\n {'end_time': '9:49', 'start_time': '9:43', 'text': \"So we are not here to point out what went wrong and the answer is this, but it's a combination of various things.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:52', 'start_time': '9:49', 'text': 'So let me start with saying, what Sardar Wallabhai Patel once said.'},\n {'end_time': '9:56', 'start_time': '9:53', 'text': 'Sardar Wallabhai Patel, one of the greatest leaders that our country saw.'},\n {'end_time': '10:01', 'start_time': '9:56', 'text': 'He was once asked, do you believe Britishers have the policy of divide and rule?'},\n {'end_time': '10:02', 'start_time': '10:01', 'text': 'He said no.'},\n {'end_time': '10:04', 'start_time': '10:02', 'text': 'We divide ourselves and they rule.'},\n {'end_time': '10:12', 'start_time': '10:05', 'text': \"So it's a very profound statement that we kept fighting, and we never saw there is a who has come in and, you know, sometimes we're gonna be smart to understand.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:15', 'start_time': '10:13', 'text': 'We are to unite.'},\n {'end_time': '10:22', 'start_time': '10:15', 'text': 'So if you look at it, we never really thought that British shows are actually taking over us till the 9 18 57 national uprising.'},\n {'end_time': '10:23', 'start_time': '10:22', 'text': 'They said, okay, come on.'},\n {'end_time': '10:27', 'start_time': '10:23', 'text': 'And it again took another 90 years and so many moments to say, okay, we are a free country.'},\n {'end_time': '10:27', 'start_time': '10:27', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '10:30', 'start_time': '10:27', 'text': 'The first is, we were fighting amongst ourselves.'},\n {'end_time': '10:34', 'start_time': '10:31', 'text': 'The second theory that goes is that we never understood what is happening in the west.'},\n {'end_time': '10:36', 'start_time': '10:34', 'text': \"Somewhere, you know, we're very happy.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:42', 'start_time': '10:36', 'text': \"So the scientific development that happened in the west, we were either cut off or we're not giving it too much importance.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:44', 'start_time': '10:42', 'text': 'For example, the industrialization that happened.'},\n {'end_time': '10:45', 'start_time': '10:45', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '10:46', 'start_time': '10:45', 'text': 'The steam engines and all those things.'},\n {'end_time': '10:50', 'start_time': '10:46', 'text': 'That whole generation where Britain had a scientific advantage over us.'},\n {'end_time': '10:51', 'start_time': '10:50', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '10:54', 'start_time': '10:51', 'text': 'So Britain did something correct in that phase and Europe did something correct in that.'},\n {'end_time': '10:58', 'start_time': '10:54', 'text': 'So Europe was going through a lot of, movements within themselves.'},\n {'end_time': '10:59', 'start_time': '10:58', 'text': 'So the French revolution happened.'},\n {'end_time': '11:01', 'start_time': '11:00', 'text': 'So it was called the renaissance era.'},\n {'end_time': '11:04', 'start_time': '11:01', 'text': 'So if you read the world history, what is renaissance era?'},\n {'end_time': '11:09', 'start_time': '11:04', 'text': 'The society is questioning itself and pushing itself to something higher which America did then.'},\n {'end_time': '11:17', 'start_time': '11:09', 'text': 'So if you look at the European model was touched upon a little bit in Japan and some other parts of the world, but then over here the American took it.'},\n {'end_time': '11:19', 'start_time': '11:17', 'text': 'But you know what, since you asked this question what went wrong?'},\n {'end_time': '11:22', 'start_time': '11:19', 'text': 'One of my philosophy teacher said it very nicely.'},\n {'end_time': '11:25', 'start_time': '11:22', 'text': 'The British has left us and we accepted the Americans.'},\n {'end_time': '11:27', 'start_time': '11:26', 'text': 'We never actually became Indians.'},\n {'end_time': '11:39', 'start_time': '11:29', 'text': \"So what's happened I mean, what really happened wrong if I were to analyze it saying that when the world was putting lot of efforts, time into the next generation what is required for Indians?\"},\n {'end_time': '11:43', 'start_time': '11:39', 'text': 'Probably they were inventing papers and our documentation was still in palm leaves.'},\n {'end_time': '11:48', 'start_time': '11:43', 'text': 'They were talking about machineries and, you know, and we were still doing that, you know, hand woven material.'},\n {'end_time': '11:49', 'start_time': '11:48', 'text': 'Nothing wrong.'},\n {'end_time': '11:52', 'start_time': '11:49', 'text': 'But when they came in we were so wowed with the British scientific development.'},\n {'end_time': '11:55', 'start_time': '11:52', 'text': 'We were fighting with swords and they were actually having cannons.'},\n {'end_time': '12:00', 'start_time': '11:56', 'text': 'So why when you look at it, probably this was the reason why we were a little bit behind.'},\n {'end_time': '12:05', 'start_time': '12:00', 'text': 'And anybody who is probably working in the fields and suddenly looks at industrial revolution and wow.'},\n {'end_time': '12:08', 'start_time': '12:05', 'text': 'Most important, they got their economical angles right.'},\n {'end_time': '12:11', 'start_time': '12:08', 'text': 'So, you know, they started paying the people differently.'},\n {'end_time': '12:13', 'start_time': '12:11', 'text': 'So people got attracted to their models.'},\n {'end_time': '12:16', 'start_time': '12:14', 'text': 'They came here and made us their servants.'},\n {'end_time': '12:19', 'start_time': '12:16', 'text': 'I mean, I really appreciate them in one way.'},\n {'end_time': '12:22', 'start_time': '12:19', 'text': 'Imagine the Babus who ran the British empire were actually Indians.'},\n {'end_time': '12:24', 'start_time': '12:23', 'text': 'So they hired the best of our minds.'},\n {'end_time': '12:33', 'start_time': '12:24', 'text': 'They paid them very well, gave them a government secured job, made them collectors, and the collectors were Indians and the army which contained Indians actually took all the money to Britain.'},\n {'end_time': '12:37', 'start_time': '12:33', 'text': 'So we never actually had a idea of sitting down analyzing it.'},\n {'end_time': '12:41', 'start_time': '12:37', 'text': 'And when it really hit us Because everyone was looking for their own personal gain.'},\n {'end_time': '12:41', 'start_time': '12:41', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '12:44', 'start_time': '12:42', 'text': \"And somewhere, I mean, that's a very interesting point.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:46', 'start_time': '12:44', 'text': \"We're a little bit selfish.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:47', 'start_time': '12:46', 'text': \"It's like I, me, and my family.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:50', 'start_time': '12:48', 'text': \"And it doesn't matter about what's happening to the village.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:50', 'start_time': '12:50', 'text': 'Exactly.'},\n {'end_time': '12:59', 'start_time': '12:50', 'text': \"Which is also what's happening in the modern day with a lot of Indians leaving India and going abroad for like giving themselves a better life, what they call intellectual theft.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:01', 'start_time': '12:59', 'text': 'I would say brain drain.'},\n {'end_time': '13:05', 'start_time': '13:01', 'text': 'So there are two reasons, one is at the government level and one is at the individual level.'},\n {'end_time': '13:09', 'start_time': '13:05', 'text': \"So if the government doesn't give that opportunity to create then you feel frustrated.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:09', 'start_time': '13:09', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '13:10', 'start_time': '13:09', 'text': \"So I'm qualified.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:13', 'start_time': '13:10', 'text': 'I will do something for the country, but there is no ecosystem.'},\n {'end_time': '13:13', 'start_time': '13:13', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '13:16', 'start_time': '13:13', 'text': \"It's changing now with, you know, the ecosystem of start up India.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:17', 'start_time': '13:17', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '13:18', 'start_time': '13:17', 'text': 'All those things is happening.'},\n {'end_time': '13:19', 'start_time': '13:18', 'text': 'But yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '13:20', 'start_time': '13:19', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '13:23', 'start_time': '13:20', 'text': 'But what happened is the pros independence around 1947, you look at it.'},\n {'end_time': '13:26', 'start_time': '13:23', 'text': 'It took us almost like 50 years to actually look back.'},\n {'end_time': '13:29', 'start_time': '13:26', 'text': \"Even now, the best of the brains go, and they're doing very well abroad.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:30', 'start_time': '13:29', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '13:30', 'start_time': '13:30', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '13:32', 'start_time': '13:30', 'text': 'The Googles and the Microsofts are run by Indians.'},\n {'end_time': '13:32', 'start_time': '13:32', 'text': 'Yep.'},\n {'end_time': '13:32', 'start_time': '13:32', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '13:37', 'start_time': '13:32', 'text': 'So there is a very interesting statement that we used to have when we were young and colleges.'},\n {'end_time': '13:41', 'start_time': '13:37', 'text': \"It is saying it's better to have brain drain rather than having brain in the drain.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:43', 'start_time': '13:42', 'text': 'Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '13:43', 'start_time': '13:43', 'text': \"That's dark.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:45', 'start_time': '13:44', 'text': \"But I'm saying it's changing.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:47', 'start_time': '13:45', 'text': 'So where did we go wrong?'},\n {'end_time': '13:48', 'start_time': '13:47', 'text': 'Probably we only thought about my benefit.'},\n {'end_time': '13:49', 'start_time': '13:48', 'text': 'So we went abroad.'},\n {'end_time': '13:54', 'start_time': '13:49', 'text': \"How many people stayed back and say, okay, India may not be the most developed country, but I'll make it a developed country.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:56', 'start_time': '13:54', 'text': \"It's better to go to America and get the money.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:58', 'start_time': '13:56', 'text': 'Sir, that could have also been because of so many kingdoms.'},\n {'end_time': '13:59', 'start_time': '13:58', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '13:59', 'start_time': '13:59', 'text': 'Everyone had their own idea.'},\n {'end_time': '14:00', 'start_time': '13:59', 'text': \"We can't have a problem.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:00', 'start_time': '14:00', 'text': \"We can't have a problem.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:02', 'start_time': '14:00', 'text': \"We can't have a problem.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:03', 'start_time': '14:02', 'text': \"We can't have a problem.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:03', 'start_time': '14:03', 'text': \"We can't have a problem.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:03', 'start_time': '14:03', 'text': \"We can't have a problem.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:06', 'start_time': '14:03', 'text': \"We can't have a problem.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:07', 'start_time': '14:06', 'text': \"We can't have a problem.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:09', 'start_time': '14:07', 'text': \"We can't have a problem.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:11', 'start_time': '14:10', 'text': 'India was not even a country.'},\n {'end_time': '14:13', 'start_time': '14:11', 'text': 'It was 550 princely states.'},\n {'end_time': '14:16', 'start_time': '14:14', 'text': 'So when Britishers left India, we were not one nation.'},\n {'end_time': '14:20', 'start_time': '14:16', 'text': 'We were 3 geographically administered country.'},\n {'end_time': '14:23', 'start_time': '14:20', 'text': \"We had Bombay presidency, Calcutta presidency, and Maitreya's presidency.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:24', 'start_time': '14:23', 'text': 'That was administratively.'},\n {'end_time': '14:26', 'start_time': '14:24', 'text': 'But otherwise it was Raj Gharana.'},\n {'end_time': '14:30', 'start_time': '14:26', 'text': 'What Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel did, he is called as the we have the statue of unity.'},\n {'end_time': '14:33', 'start_time': '14:31', 'text': 'And he had a department called the department of states.'},\n {'end_time': '14:40', 'start_time': '14:34', 'text': 'So he actually combined 5 50 princely states, and we still have the Kashmir problem not solved because Kashmir was a princely state.'},\n {'end_time': '14:46', 'start_time': '14:41', 'text': 'So the biggest challenge you absolutely pointed around that we we did not have one common common government system.'},\n {'end_time': '14:49', 'start_time': '14:46', 'text': 'It is only after the constitution of India was formed.'},\n {'end_time': '14:52', 'start_time': '14:49', 'text': 'Everybody is now aligning to one particular form of governance.'},\n {'end_time': '14:57', 'start_time': '14:52', 'text': \"So I think you're right because it's easy to break 5 50 people than break one complete nation.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:58', 'start_time': '14:57', 'text': 'Exactly.'},\n {'end_time': '14:59', 'start_time': '14:58', 'text': \"That's where we went wrong.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:02', 'start_time': '14:59', 'text': 'So so my next question to you is did the British do any, like, chimpty?'},\n {'end_time': '15:06', 'start_time': '15:02', 'text': 'Like, when they were going, did they do anything to, like, mess us up and leave?'},\n {'end_time': '15:10', 'start_time': '15:06', 'text': 'Or was their intention good and, you know, they wanted to do the best for us?'},\n {'end_time': '15:12', 'start_time': '15:10', 'text': \"Like, what what's your take on that?\"},\n {'end_time': '15:14', 'start_time': '15:12', 'text': 'So I would look at this from 2 angles.'},\n {'end_time': '15:15', 'start_time': '15:14', 'text': 'Did that generation mess it up?'},\n {'end_time': '15:17', 'start_time': '15:15', 'text': \"I don't know because none of them are alive.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:18', 'start_time': '15:17', 'text': 'That generation was of the British.'},\n {'end_time': '15:21', 'start_time': '15:18', 'text': 'The British generation was actually ruled us and gave us freedom.'},\n {'end_time': '15:27', 'start_time': '15:21', 'text': \"So I don't know because I've not worked with them because intentions you can never understand by reading books or documents.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:30', 'start_time': '15:27', 'text': 'They they say that, if you go to UK now Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '15:32', 'start_time': '15:30', 'text': 'The older the younger white people are amazing Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '15:34', 'start_time': '15:32', 'text': 'But the older white people are a little racist.'},\n {'end_time': '15:34', 'start_time': '15:34', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '15:35', 'start_time': '15:34', 'text': 'They are.'},\n {'end_time': '15:38', 'start_time': '15:35', 'text': 'As I told you that racism is a problem.'},\n {'end_time': '15:42', 'start_time': '15:38', 'text': 'Like, we have been told that we have casteism as a problem, that racism was a problem.'},\n {'end_time': '15:47', 'start_time': '15:42', 'text': 'And even children in the royal families, the so called current royal families, race is a major thing to think about.'},\n {'end_time': '15:48', 'start_time': '15:47', 'text': 'In Europe.'},\n {'end_time': '15:48', 'start_time': '15:48', 'text': 'In Europe.'},\n {'end_time': '15:50', 'start_time': '15:49', 'text': 'Across Europe.'},\n {'end_time': '15:57', 'start_time': '15:50', 'text': 'Now specifically, when, Britishers were ruling us, they had different strategies and everybody knows about the Macaulay education model.'},\n {'end_time': '16:02', 'start_time': '15:57', 'text': \"They came and they said, oh, let's make a plan to destroy these people at the intellectual levels.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:04', 'start_time': '16:02', 'text': 'Can you can you explain this model?'},\n {'end_time': '16:08', 'start_time': '16:04', 'text': 'So what is is it is it mugging up?'},\n {'end_time': '16:12', 'start_time': '16:09', 'text': 'Basically, everything about Indian knowledge is not the best.'},\n {'end_time': '16:12', 'start_time': '16:12', 'text': \"They're outdated.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:13', 'start_time': '16:12', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '16:15', 'start_time': '16:13', 'text': 'And the British model is very scientific and advanced.'},\n {'end_time': '16:15', 'start_time': '16:15', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '16:18', 'start_time': '16:15', 'text': \"Because at the Oxford and the Cambridge, you had the Newtons and the Darwin's.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:19', 'start_time': '16:18', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '16:20', 'start_time': '16:19', 'text': \"That's what we learned.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:28', 'start_time': '16:20', 'text': 'So and, you know, I feel this harms us even today when we have such a rich spiritual, scientific knowledge and, you know, we have yogic knowledge.'},\n {'end_time': '16:31', 'start_time': '16:28', 'text': \"And young Indians look down at it and say, where's the scientific backing?\"},\n {'end_time': '16:34', 'start_time': '16:31', 'text': 'Like, you know, mad love, how is this not backed by science?'},\n {'end_time': '16:41', 'start_time': '16:34', 'text': \"Have you ever considered the possibility that eastern science must be way beyond western science but you've been conditioned to think that western science is not true?\"},\n {'end_time': '16:43', 'start_time': '16:41', 'text': 'And it starts with education system in the school.'},\n {'end_time': '16:43', 'start_time': '16:43', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '16:49', 'start_time': '16:43', 'text': 'So we de, I mean, belittle the whole idea of saying that everything that comes from the west is good and everything about India is bad.'},\n {'end_time': '16:55', 'start_time': '16:49', 'text': \"And as rightly pointed out, it's a myth that spirituality is not scientific Mhmm.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:56', 'start_time': '16:55', 'text': 'And biological.'},\n {'end_time': '16:57', 'start_time': '16:56', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '17:03', 'start_time': '16:57', 'text': \"So what I'm saying if you look at Patanjali yoga sutra, it's a system which is scientific, but highest level is spiritual.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:06', 'start_time': '17:03', 'text': 'So for us spirituality and science are always 1.'},\n {'end_time': '17:08', 'start_time': '17:06', 'text': \"They broke it up and saying that if you're spiritual you're not scientific.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:10', 'start_time': '17:08', 'text': \"And if you're scientific you're not spiritual.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:10', 'start_time': '17:10', 'text': 'Who said so?'},\n {'end_time': '17:11', 'start_time': '17:10', 'text': '100%.'},\n {'end_time': '17:13', 'start_time': '17:11', 'text': 'You can be a yogi and a rishi at the same time.'},\n {'end_time': '17:17', 'start_time': '17:13', 'text': 'In fact, rishi is actually were thinkers, they were scientist of different fields.'},\n {'end_time': '17:17', 'start_time': '17:17', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '17:22', 'start_time': '17:17', 'text': 'I feel very bad that we actually lost on generations of scientific development.'},\n {'end_time': '17:22', 'start_time': '17:22', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '17:28', 'start_time': '17:22', 'text': 'So when you built a temple architecture, if you look at Kedarnath very specifically, 1000 of years.'},\n {'end_time': '17:32', 'start_time': '17:28', 'text': 'Cyclone came, earthquakes came, but the temple that Jotaling is still scientific.'},\n {'end_time': '17:33', 'start_time': '17:32', 'text': \"Don't you think it's scientific?\"},\n {'end_time': '17:36', 'start_time': '17:34', 'text': 'Today we are talking about sustainable ecosystems.'},\n {'end_time': '17:42', 'start_time': '17:36', 'text': \"If you look at Rameshwaram, the same Shiva temple right in the south, do you know it's actually on a sea bank?\"},\n {'end_time': '17:43', 'start_time': '17:42', 'text': \"You're not going to Rameshwaram.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:43', 'start_time': '17:43', 'text': 'Please go.'},\n {'end_time': '17:49', 'start_time': '17:43', 'text': \"You'll be surprised that it's on the banks of a sea, seashore and that's from where Rama went to Lanka.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:51', 'start_time': '17:49', 'text': 'Now I have seen this architecture.'},\n {'end_time': '17:52', 'start_time': '17:51', 'text': \"I've studied this in detail.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:03', 'start_time': '17:52', 'text': \"You'd be surprised that those particular temple is designed in such a way that if a flood comes in or the, you know, the sea water comes in, it comes into the temple and within 5 minutes it gets dried up.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:05', 'start_time': '18:03', 'text': 'So the drainage system is so perfect.'},\n {'end_time': '18:18', 'start_time': '18:06', 'text': 'If you look at, the kind of architecture temples being done in Ajanta and Alora, I mean, you see the the paints, the the actual paint which was used, the pigments, it has been there for more than 1000 years.'},\n {'end_time': '18:23', 'start_time': '18:19', 'text': 'Paint every year you have to do something about it.'},\n {'end_time': '18:26', 'start_time': '18:23', 'text': 'So so where is the whole research about the whole thing, you know.'},\n {'end_time': '18:27', 'start_time': '18:26', 'text': 'Is it documented?'},\n {'end_time': '18:28', 'start_time': '18:27', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '18:36', 'start_time': '18:28', 'text': 'Somewhere, you know, what happened, the whole wow of the westernization that came in, we were somewhere lost and of course very important economically.'},\n {'end_time': '18:43', 'start_time': '18:37', 'text': 'So if the British is able to give you some model economically which can give you 100 rupees, we say this is better.'},\n {'end_time': '18:45', 'start_time': '18:43', 'text': 'Anyway, things are changing.'},\n {'end_time': '18:45', 'start_time': '18:45', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '18:47', 'start_time': '18:45', 'text': \"So, what's happening now?\"},\n {'end_time': '18:48', 'start_time': '18:47', 'text': 'Things are changing.'},\n {'end_time': '18:53', 'start_time': '18:48', 'text': \"We've read about two important factors in the history of India becoming rich after independence.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:53', 'start_time': '18:53', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '18:58', 'start_time': '18:53', 'text': 'One was something called liberalization of the Indian economy, which is that Manmohan Singh opened up the economy.'},\n {'end_time': '18:59', 'start_time': '18:58', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '18:59', 'start_time': '18:59', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '19:02', 'start_time': '18:59', 'text': 'So very simply to a junior GED student, can you explain that in, like, few sentences?'},\n {'end_time': '19:03', 'start_time': '19:02', 'text': 'What what happened?'},\n {'end_time': '19:05', 'start_time': '19:03', 'text': 'So this actually happened in 1991.'},\n {'end_time': '19:16', 'start_time': '19:05', 'text': \"So what happened post independence 1947, we were a very poor nation, everything was looted, our all treasuries were empty, we didn't have food to eat, we were a war torn country, you know, a lot of things.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:18', 'start_time': '19:16', 'text': 'I mean, it was a very bad state.'},\n {'end_time': '19:24', 'start_time': '19:18', 'text': 'And the growth rate every year after independence till 1990 was some 1 or 2 percent which is terrible.'},\n {'end_time': '19:26', 'start_time': '19:24', 'text': 'And the population became 4 times.'},\n {'end_time': '19:27', 'start_time': '19:26', 'text': 'Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '19:31', 'start_time': '19:27', 'text': \"So when we got independence of 30 crores and it's 130 crores now.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:34', 'start_time': '19:31', 'text': 'So you have the same problem multiplied by 4 times.'},\n {'end_time': '19:38', 'start_time': '19:34', 'text': 'So you have to educate them, you have to feed them, you have to give them job.'},\n {'end_time': '19:41', 'start_time': '19:38', 'text': 'I really pity those people who actually work for the nation post independence.'},\n {'end_time': '19:42', 'start_time': '19:41', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '19:51', 'start_time': '19:42', 'text': \"But what is very interesting is that coming back if 1990 one what happened is in a simple layman's language we started getting money which we did not have on the foreign funds.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:51', 'start_time': '19:51', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '19:52', 'start_time': '19:51', 'text': 'So people started funding India.'},\n {'end_time': '19:54', 'start_time': '19:52', 'text': 'So 1990 we opened out means what?'},\n {'end_time': '19:57', 'start_time': '19:54', 'text': 'Suppose I want to start something, a company which requires 100 crores.'},\n {'end_time': '19:59', 'start_time': '19:58', 'text': 'My I may have 20 crores.'},\n {'end_time': '20:01', 'start_time': '19:59', 'text': 'So where do I raise the money from?'},\n {'end_time': '20:02', 'start_time': '20:01', 'text': 'Maybe we have model like the stock market.'},\n {'end_time': '20:03', 'start_time': '20:02', 'text': 'I take some from friends.'},\n {'end_time': '20:07', 'start_time': '20:03', 'text': \"I'm able to raise maybe 30 crores, but 70 crores I can't say.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:07', 'start_time': '20:07', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '20:10', 'start_time': '20:07', 'text': \"So I'm putting up a big plant, maybe a machinery and all those things.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:16', 'start_time': '20:11', 'text': 'FDI and FII, foreign direct investment and foreign institutional investments.'},\n {'end_time': '20:16', 'start_time': '20:16', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '20:18', 'start_time': '20:16', 'text': 'So this is what actually happened in 1991.'},\n {'end_time': '20:21', 'start_time': '20:18', 'text': \"So a lot of people started saying that okay, I'm gonna give you a 100 crores.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:22', 'start_time': '20:21', 'text': 'What will be my benefit?'},\n {'end_time': '20:30', 'start_time': '20:22', 'text': 'There was a lot of resistance because till 1991 people thought that, you know, if we allow another group to come into India, they will be like the Britishers.'},\n {'end_time': '20:33', 'start_time': '20:30', 'text': 'They came in as traders and they looted us.'},\n {'end_time': '20:37', 'start_time': '20:33', 'text': 'So are you stupid that you are not learning from the mistake that the Britishers did?'},\n {'end_time': '20:41', 'start_time': '20:37', 'text': 'So you are telling the American company and the Japanese company to come again and give us money?'},\n {'end_time': '20:42', 'start_time': '20:41', 'text': \"Don't be stupid.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:52', 'start_time': '20:42', 'text': 'But over a period of time, I think the maturity evolved and thanks to our then prime minister Nalsimarao and then we have the finance minister Manmohan Singh who became the prime minister.'},\n {'end_time': '20:53', 'start_time': '20:52', 'text': 'They said, okay.'},\n {'end_time': '20:55', 'start_time': '20:53', 'text': \"It's important that we can't suffer.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:56', 'start_time': '20:56', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '21:03', 'start_time': '20:57', 'text': 'And what happened is that we did not just get money, but we actually got the best practice of the world in India.'},\n {'end_time': '21:05', 'start_time': '21:03', 'text': 'So let me give you a specific example.'},\n {'end_time': '21:08', 'start_time': '21:05', 'text': 'I remember I was a part of the 1991 generation.'},\n {'end_time': '21:16', 'start_time': '21:09', 'text': 'When we never understood what is this whole liberalization and all those things, it took 10 years for Indian youth to understand it.'},\n {'end_time': '21:24', 'start_time': '21:16', 'text': 'And actually we understood what is, the impact of globalization liberalization in the year 2000 when the IT industry got its biggest boom.'},\n {'end_time': '21:26', 'start_time': '21:24', 'text': 'So, you know, there was a problem called y two k.'},\n {'end_time': '21:29', 'start_time': '21:26', 'text': 'You should do a little bit of a research on it.'},\n {'end_time': '21:31', 'start_time': '21:29', 'text': 'So we all learn computers, but we never understood.'},\n {'end_time': '21:42', 'start_time': '21:31', 'text': 'But suddenly in 1998 and 1999, people realized the year 2000 when we are gonna change into a new millionaire, 200, everything in computers, was actually coded as dates.'},\n {'end_time': '21:47', 'start_time': '21:42', 'text': \"They said that if we don't get it right, maybe the airplane will collapse because the computers give instructions.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:52', 'start_time': '21:47', 'text': 'So computers, work on something called bits and bytes, 1 and 2.'},\n {'end_time': '21:58', 'start_time': '21:52', 'text': \"So 1990 but the moment it becomes 2,012 o'clock, January 1, 2000, maybe the whole system will go.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:58', 'start_time': '21:58', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '22:07', 'start_time': '21:58', 'text': 'And as a backup plan, they say who are the intelligent people who can do recoding or decoding, uncoding, and all that coding things Indians were best.'},\n {'end_time': '22:11', 'start_time': '22:07', 'text': 'And the whole 2, 3 years we got into global platform.'},\n {'end_time': '22:13', 'start_time': '22:11', 'text': 'So that was one impact.'},\n {'end_time': '22:19', 'start_time': '22:13', 'text': 'The second impact that happened in, liberalization period was basically we did not just get money but we got the global best practices into India.'},\n {'end_time': '22:26', 'start_time': '22:20', 'text': \"For example, when you look at a McDonald's in India and if you look at a McDonald's in maybe New York, they're the same.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:31', 'start_time': '22:26', 'text': \"So we don't just get McDonald's into India but you see the efficiency, the fact The work culture.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:32', 'start_time': '22:31', 'text': 'The work culture.'},\n {'end_time': '22:37', 'start_time': '22:32', 'text': \"So what exactly happened is that it's not just getting money, but you're actually getting trained by them with their money.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:38', 'start_time': '22:37', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '22:40', 'start_time': '22:38', 'text': 'So you got the offices of the foreign companies coming here.'},\n {'end_time': '22:45', 'start_time': '22:40', 'text': \"So today if I work probably with a JP Morgan here and I go to Singapore office, I don't feel a difference.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:45', 'start_time': '22:45', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '22:50', 'start_time': '22:45', 'text': \"So I think what is very important, we were blessed in a way that we don't have to travel abroad to see a different world.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:52', 'start_time': '22:50', 'text': 'We can actually see that world in a mini way in India.'},\n {'end_time': '22:53', 'start_time': '22:52', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '22:55', 'start_time': '22:53', 'text': 'So I think that was a turning point, 1991.'},\n {'end_time': '22:58', 'start_time': '22:55', 'text': 'And then take those ideas and book culture and start Indian businesses.'},\n {'end_time': '22:59', 'start_time': '22:58', 'text': 'You are absolutely right.'},\n {'end_time': '23:02', 'start_time': '22:59', 'text': 'In fact, learn from the best, but make it better in India.'},\n {'end_time': '23:02', 'start_time': '23:02', 'text': '100%.'},\n {'end_time': '23:05', 'start_time': '23:02', 'text': \"And that's what I feel our generation's money will be based on.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:05', 'start_time': '23:05', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '23:06', 'start_time': '23:05', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '23:10', 'start_time': '23:06', 'text': 'Because Indians are beautiful businessmen, may not be the best innovators.'},\n {'end_time': '23:11', 'start_time': '23:10', 'text': \"That's what I feel.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:12', 'start_time': '23:11', 'text': 'Americans are fantastic innovators.'},\n {'end_time': '23:13', 'start_time': '23:12', 'text': \"That's debatable.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:19', 'start_time': '23:13', 'text': 'But I feel Indians are fantastic at taking an idea, tweaking it, making it desi, and then selling it.'},\n {'end_time': '23:23', 'start_time': '23:19', 'text': 'So I will look at it differently and saying that we are already natural innovators.'},\n {'end_time': '23:27', 'start_time': '23:23', 'text': 'In between, we are actually being told not to innovate Oh, okay.'},\n {'end_time': '23:29', 'start_time': '23:27', 'text': 'Because of the fear of psychology of the foreign rulers.'},\n {'end_time': '23:30', 'start_time': '23:29', 'text': 'And the education system.'},\n {'end_time': '23:31', 'start_time': '23:30', 'text': 'And the education system.'},\n {'end_time': '23:32', 'start_time': '23:31', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '23:37', 'start_time': '23:32', 'text': 'So what typically happened is that we were a nation which could design anything and everything that we wanted.'},\n {'end_time': '23:41', 'start_time': '23:37', 'text': 'Imagine putting up an erotic image in a temple.'},\n {'end_time': '23:48', 'start_time': '23:42', 'text': \"So if you look at all the temples, I mean, wasn't that innovation with an idea which people will not accept socially today?\"},\n {'end_time': '23:50', 'start_time': '23:48', 'text': 'Saying that we gave the best of the ideas.'},\n {'end_time': '23:53', 'start_time': '23:50', 'text': \"I'll tell you I have studied a lot of Indian architecture.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:58', 'start_time': '23:53', 'text': 'Go to any ancient Indian temple which is 1000 years old, maybe north or south.'},\n {'end_time': '24:01', 'start_time': '23:58', 'text': 'There are similar looking pillars.'},\n {'end_time': '24:02', 'start_time': '24:01', 'text': 'But do you know anything?'},\n {'end_time': '24:04', 'start_time': '24:02', 'text': 'Every pillar has got a different design.'},\n {'end_time': '24:05', 'start_time': '24:04', 'text': 'It is not mass production.'},\n {'end_time': '24:07', 'start_time': '24:06', 'text': 'So coming back, what happened?'},\n {'end_time': '24:10', 'start_time': '24:07', 'text': 'Innovation is something which is ingrained in us.'},\n {'end_time': '24:12', 'start_time': '24:10', 'text': \"But with the Britishians, you know, you don't know it.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:13', 'start_time': '24:12', 'text': 'You listen to what happens.'},\n {'end_time': '24:14', 'start_time': '24:13', 'text': 'The bossy culture came.'},\n {'end_time': '24:15', 'start_time': '24:14', 'text': 'The creativity died out.'},\n {'end_time': '24:15', 'start_time': '24:15', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '24:17', 'start_time': '24:15', 'text': 'But Indians are naturally very creative.'},\n {'end_time': '24:23', 'start_time': '24:17', 'text': 'What happened you absolutely rightly said is that now with money, and we require 1 generation of parents to phase out.'},\n {'end_time': '24:29', 'start_time': '24:24', 'text': \"I'm telling you, you know, somewhere the parent generation will tell this do and don't do this and they're okay.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:34', 'start_time': '24:29', 'text': \"I'm not telling the parent generation doesn't have experience, but they had an experience of having a follower's mindset.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:34', 'start_time': '24:34', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '24:37', 'start_time': '24:35', 'text': 'Your generation is the advantage of a leadership mindset.'},\n {'end_time': '24:37', 'start_time': '24:37', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '24:45', 'start_time': '24:37', 'text': \"And I always talk about this and that we have to change our mindset from a followership thinking to a leadership thinking, and that's the advantage you have.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:47', 'start_time': '24:45', 'text': 'If you have an idea, you will get funds.'},\n {'end_time': '24:47', 'start_time': '24:47', 'text': 'You get a market.'},\n {'end_time': '24:48', 'start_time': '24:47', 'text': 'You got technology.'},\n {'end_time': '24:50', 'start_time': '24:49', 'text': 'We did not have that advantage.'},\n {'end_time': '24:51', 'start_time': '24:50', 'text': 'We have social media.'},\n {'end_time': '24:52', 'start_time': '24:52', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '24:55', 'start_time': '24:53', 'text': \"That's why I'm partnering with you.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:04', 'start_time': '24:56', 'text': 'So the whole idea with the advent that we will have lots of billionaires and in a space which parents will be shocked, maybe your grandparents will not understand.'},\n {'end_time': '25:18', 'start_time': '25:16', 'text': 'So he said to me you do some TV show.'},\n {'end_time': '25:18', 'start_time': '25:18', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '25:20', 'start_time': '25:18', 'text': 'And I was like, yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '25:20', 'start_time': '25:20', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '25:21', 'start_time': '25:20', 'text': \"That's what I do.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:23', 'start_time': '25:21', 'text': \"So it's that's what's happening.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:29', 'start_time': '25:23', 'text': \"And he's like, I don't understand what you do but what I've heard is everything's going well and you're happy so that's all that matters.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:29', 'start_time': '25:29', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '25:30', 'start_time': '25:29', 'text': 'This is a shift.'},\n {'end_time': '25:30', 'start_time': '25:30', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '25:35', 'start_time': '25:30', 'text': 'So what is gonna happen is there are so many ideas getting, you know, experimented.'},\n {'end_time': '25:39', 'start_time': '25:36', 'text': \"I'm not saying that all of them will succeed, but all of them will not fail either.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:44', 'start_time': '25:39', 'text': 'And this is something I want to tell all the youth of India is get into that positive mindset.'},\n {'end_time': '25:54', 'start_time': '25:45', 'text': 'You know, this American mindset of innovation and investing into an idea is slowly coming to India, but it is not at its matured level.'},\n {'end_time': '25:57', 'start_time': '25:54', 'text': 'I remember somebody asking Bill Gates about it, you know.'},\n {'end_time': '26:00', 'start_time': '25:57', 'text': 'Suppose you have an idea, you experiment it, invest on it, and what if it fails?'},\n {'end_time': '26:02', 'start_time': '26:01', 'text': 'You know what is Bill Gates answer?'},\n {'end_time': '26:03', 'start_time': '26:02', 'text': 'What if it succeeds?'},\n {'end_time': '26:08', 'start_time': '26:04', 'text': 'So this is something so important.'},\n {'end_time': '26:12', 'start_time': '26:08', 'text': \"So when we the parents when we look at it, oh, he's doing something, she's doing something, what if it fails?\"},\n {'end_time': '26:13', 'start_time': '26:12', 'text': \"It's the opposite.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:14', 'start_time': '26:13', 'text': 'What if it succeeds?'},\n {'end_time': '26:18', 'start_time': '26:15', 'text': \"So Americans when they look at innovation, it's not about failures.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:20', 'start_time': '26:18', 'text': \"Failures is bound to happen if it doesn't succeed.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:20', 'start_time': '26:20', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '26:21', 'start_time': '26:20', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '26:21', 'start_time': '26:21', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '26:22', 'start_time': '26:21', 'text': \"But they don't focus on failure.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:27', 'start_time': '26:22', 'text': \"They say, okay, let's try give it our best and they put lot of time, effort, money, research into it.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:27', 'start_time': '26:27', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '26:31', 'start_time': '26:27', 'text': \"So when one product succeeds, I'm sure there'll be 5 products which did not succeed.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:33', 'start_time': '26:31', 'text': \"But the mindset is that let's make it work.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:33', 'start_time': '26:33', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '26:35', 'start_time': '26:33', 'text': \"If you're doing something good I will partner with you.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:36', 'start_time': '26:35', 'text': \"I'll invest with you.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:36', 'start_time': '26:36', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '26:36', 'start_time': '26:36', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '26:41', 'start_time': '26:36', 'text': 'So I think if you get into this and the last and the most important thing required is mentoring.'},\n {'end_time': '26:41', 'start_time': '26:41', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '26:45', 'start_time': '26:41', 'text': \"Because you're experimenting so much and you're a bit full of energy ideas but who's gonna show you the way?\"},\n {'end_time': '26:46', 'start_time': '26:45', 'text': '100%.'},\n {'end_time': '26:51', 'start_time': '26:46', 'text': \"And it's always better to take the way from somebody who's more mature than finding out your way because you may find your way after 5 years.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:51', 'start_time': '26:51', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '26:53', 'start_time': '26:51', 'text': \"But it's better to get it succeeded now.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:53', 'start_time': '26:53', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '26:54', 'start_time': '26:53', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '26:54', 'start_time': '26:54', 'text': '100%.'},\n {'end_time': '27:02', 'start_time': '26:54', 'text': 'So energy, innovation, idea, capital, money along with maybe a mentor will make the whole difference and will become the richest part of the world much faster.'},\n {'end_time': '27:05', 'start_time': '27:02', 'text': 'Can I add one more factor to that game which you have taught me?'},\n {'end_time': '27:05', 'start_time': '27:05', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '27:06', 'start_time': '27:05', 'text': 'Which is infrastructure.'},\n {'end_time': '27:07', 'start_time': '27:06', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '27:12', 'start_time': '27:07', 'text': \"But when I look at and but when I talk about infrastructure, I'm not talking about building office.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:19', 'start_time': '27:12', 'text': \"I'm talking about Internet infrastructure which I believe Mukesh Ambani has put into the youth's hands through the geo effect.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:33', 'start_time': '27:19', 'text': \"And this is not me fanboying over reliance when we go into like 2,045, 255 we're going to look back at 2016 and see that that was a defining moment in the Indian economic boom because the Internet reached villages.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:34', 'start_time': '27:33', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '27:40', 'start_time': '27:34', 'text': \"Maybe everyone's not using Jio today, but people are using a cheaper version of Airtel, a cheaper version of say, idea Vodafone, all that.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:46', 'start_time': '27:41', 'text': 'So the Internet is reaching everywhere people are going to start getting educated much more rapidly.'},\n {'end_time': '27:48', 'start_time': '27:46', 'text': 'People are going to become smarter, people are going to become more capable.'},\n {'end_time': '27:55', 'start_time': '27:49', 'text': 'You will be creating another Dhirubaya money somewhere in some small village in Gujarat just through your YouTube videos.'},\n {'end_time': '27:55', 'start_time': '27:55', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '27:57', 'start_time': '27:55', 'text': 'And make maybe only Bombay guys smarter.'},\n {'end_time': '27:58', 'start_time': '27:58', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '28:03', 'start_time': '27:59', 'text': \"So let's start looking at it as saying that, you know, YouTube is going to affect the poor part of it.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:05', 'start_time': '28:03', 'text': \"They're gonna impact the people sitting in cities also.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:07', 'start_time': '28:05', 'text': \"They're gonna make them on level platform, the same level platform.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:08', 'start_time': '28:07', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '28:11', 'start_time': '28:08', 'text': 'So what you get probably in a village is something what you get in Bombay and vice versa.'},\n {'end_time': '28:21', 'start_time': '28:12', 'text': \"And back to the geo example, you know, it's quite interesting that I remember Mukesh Ambani actually coming to Mumbai University and he was there as a chief guest of a convocation ceremony.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:27', 'start_time': '28:22', 'text': 'And he said something, and when he said this, it was actually for me a very different outlook of a business.'},\n {'end_time': '28:37', 'start_time': '28:27', 'text': \"When he said, till now, we were focusing on oil, o I l, because Reliance is petroleum, and that's their major cash cow, or cash flow comes from oil, the petroleum part of it.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:40', 'start_time': '28:37', 'text': 'But then today, he he said data is the next oil.'},\n {'end_time': '28:40', 'start_time': '28:40', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '28:44', 'start_time': '28:41', 'text': \"So what is actually it's not Internet, it's data.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:44', 'start_time': '28:44', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '28:47', 'start_time': '28:44', 'text': 'And I know people who actually told me this, who are YouTubers.'},\n {'end_time': '28:55', 'start_time': '28:47', 'text': 'When I say YouTubers not like you, the the people who are on the back, they had to actually have bigger server farms.'},\n {'end_time': '28:55', 'start_time': '28:55', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '28:58', 'start_time': '28:55', 'text': 'Because the consumption of India has gone 10 times bigger.'},\n {'end_time': '29:03', 'start_time': '28:58', 'text': 'Then suddenly, why are Indians watching so much YouTube?'},\n {'end_time': '29:05', 'start_time': '29:03', 'text': \"There's a there is an impact of Geo on that.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:05', 'start_time': '29:05', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '29:13', 'start_time': '29:05', 'text': 'So what actually made is that Geo got everybody into a different platform and saying that data whatever it is.'},\n {'end_time': '29:13', 'start_time': '29:13', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '29:17', 'start_time': '29:13', 'text': 'And believe me, the world cannot exist without Indian data.'},\n {'end_time': '29:18', 'start_time': '29:17', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '29:20', 'start_time': '29:18', 'text': \"We're talking 1 sixth of the 1000000000 people here.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:20', 'start_time': '29:20', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '29:20', 'start_time': '29:20', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '29:27', 'start_time': '29:20', 'text': \"And today with Google or Facebook or maybe a Twitter or Instagram, they're all having offices in India.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:27', 'start_time': '29:27', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '29:28', 'start_time': '29:27', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '29:32', 'start_time': '29:28', 'text': \"I mean LinkedIn cannot exist without India even though it's an American company.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:38', 'start_time': '29:32', 'text': 'And looking at the culture today maybe the prime minister, is promoting it, the government infrastructure.'},\n {'end_time': '29:40', 'start_time': '29:39', 'text': 'Please ride on the way.'},\n {'end_time': '29:41', 'start_time': '29:41', 'text': 'Please ride on the way.'},\n {'end_time': '29:44', 'start_time': '29:41', 'text': 'Our generation, rode on the way of the IT culture.'},\n {'end_time': '29:44', 'start_time': '29:44', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '29:52', 'start_time': '29:44', 'text': 'So 20 years ago, we had the advantage of being that generation that define Indian, professionalism through an IT culture.'},\n {'end_time': '29:54', 'start_time': '29:52', 'text': 'And today we rule the world through the IT.'},\n {'end_time': '29:58', 'start_time': '29:54', 'text': 'I mean, you go across any country, we Indians are there in the IT field.'},\n {'end_time': '30:01', 'start_time': '29:58', 'text': 'Your generation will be in the data field, the digital infrastructure.'},\n {'end_time': '30:03', 'start_time': '30:01', 'text': 'Rule it and rule it nicely.'},\n {'end_time': '30:04', 'start_time': '30:03', 'text': 'How to rule it?'},\n {'end_time': '30:08', 'start_time': '30:04', 'text': 'Number 1 is that you use it as a medium of education and business.'},\n {'end_time': '30:09', 'start_time': '30:08', 'text': 'So what is the business model you understand?'},\n {'end_time': '30:12', 'start_time': '30:09', 'text': 'But you know what is happening So there is something called a soft power.'},\n {'end_time': '30:13', 'start_time': '30:12', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '30:14', 'start_time': '30:13', 'text': 'So what is economical power?'},\n {'end_time': '30:15', 'start_time': '30:14', 'text': \"What's economical power?\"},\n {'end_time': '30:16', 'start_time': '30:15', 'text': 'I can make money out of it.'},\n {'end_time': '30:21', 'start_time': '30:16', 'text': \"So if you do this particular broadcast maybe you'll get likes, you'll get video ads out of it.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:22', 'start_time': '30:21', 'text': \"That's the economic model.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:26', 'start_time': '30:22', 'text': 'But can you use the same platform to actually educate people on certain platform?'},\n {'end_time': '30:30', 'start_time': '30:26', 'text': \"For example, what we are doing is that we're talking about history, we're talking about Indian culture.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:36', 'start_time': '30:30', 'text': \"Let me tell you my dear friends that if you look at probably you create a video on Chanakya, I mean that's my area.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:50', 'start_time': '30:36', 'text': \"When I started learning Chanakya probably 20 years ago, I didn't even know China care and today by the grace of God I know something about China care but there are actually 1,000,000,000 people in India who don't know China care.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:55', 'start_time': '30:50', 'text': \"But I suddenly realized one thing, if 1,000,000,000 people don't know your market actually 7,000,000,000 people.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:59', 'start_time': '30:56', 'text': 'Do you think that the European sitting here knows about China care?'},\n {'end_time': '31:00', 'start_time': '30:59', 'text': \"He doesn't.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:02', 'start_time': '31:00', 'text': \"But if you educate him, he'll come to you.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:06', 'start_time': '31:02', 'text': \"Today morning, I'm telling you specifically to him, I had a person called Michael Raffel.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:07', 'start_time': '31:07', 'text': \"I don't even know.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:11', 'start_time': '31:07', 'text': 'So he he actually tweets me and gets in touch with me.'},\n {'end_time': '31:13', 'start_time': '31:11', 'text': 'For the last 1 year, this guy has been following me.'},\n {'end_time': '31:17', 'start_time': '31:13', 'text': 'For me, I never actually did a background research of who Michael is.'},\n {'end_time': '31:21', 'start_time': '31:17', 'text': 'And then he writes me a long mail and says, actually, an European trying to find his identity.'},\n {'end_time': '31:23', 'start_time': '31:21', 'text': \"He's not from India.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:27', 'start_time': '31:23', 'text': \"He's migrated to India just because he's wowed by the Indian yogic systems.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:33', 'start_time': '31:27', 'text': \"And I said, oh, India doesn't know about Indians or Indian knowledge but the world doesn't know about Indian knowledge.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:40', 'start_time': '31:33', 'text': 'So when I say how do you make YouTube or the social media work, believe me that 7,000,000,000 people are frustrated.'},\n {'end_time': '31:41', 'start_time': '31:40', 'text': \"They don't have a direction in life.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:42', 'start_time': '31:41', 'text': \"They don't have a purpose in life.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:43', 'start_time': '31:42', 'text': \"They don't have knowledge.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:50', 'start_time': '31:43', 'text': 'So what the superficial knowledge we have at the level is something which probably we can give quality inputs.'},\n {'end_time': '31:56', 'start_time': '31:50', 'text': 'Like if you talk about yoga today, today yoga has become a product or a service for 7,000,000,000 people.'},\n {'end_time': '31:56', 'start_time': '31:56', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '31:58', 'start_time': '31:56', 'text': \"Don't you think Arthashastra can do that?\"},\n {'end_time': '31:58', 'start_time': '31:58', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '32:00', 'start_time': '31:58', 'text': 'Maybe Indian wisdom, Indian Ayurveda can do that.'},\n {'end_time': '32:04', 'start_time': '32:00', 'text': \"So use this platform to take India's soft power globally.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:05', 'start_time': '32:04', 'text': \"We don't have to attack people.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:05', 'start_time': '32:05', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '32:07', 'start_time': '32:05', 'text': 'We have Indian Vedic systems.'},\n {'end_time': '32:08', 'start_time': '32:07', 'text': 'Mathematics is there.'},\n {'end_time': '32:09', 'start_time': '32:08', 'text': 'There are so many things.'},\n {'end_time': '32:10', 'start_time': '32:10', 'text': 'First, study yourself.'},\n {'end_time': '32:16', 'start_time': '32:11', 'text': \"So, you know, I'll give you 4 steps if you don't mind and I'll use a little bit of a Sanskrit words to it.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:17', 'start_time': '32:16', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '32:23', 'start_time': '32:17', 'text': 'If suppose you take any particular field, I mean you decide which field and all our Indians have done solid research work in the past in that particular field.'},\n {'end_time': '32:25', 'start_time': '32:23', 'text': 'So let me give you, politics.'},\n {'end_time': '32:30', 'start_time': '32:26', 'text': 'The most hottest topic everybody talks about with the social media politics.'},\n {'end_time': '32:33', 'start_time': '32:30', 'text': \"So, okay, we talk about Narendra Modiara, that's okay.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:39', 'start_time': '32:33', 'text': 'But then you say, okay, let me study and then say, okay, In India, we actually got democracy post 1947.'},\n {'end_time': '32:43', 'start_time': '32:40', 'text': 'But we are always a country of monarchy for 1000 of years.'},\n {'end_time': '32:47', 'start_time': '32:43', 'text': 'So actually, technically, democracy is a new thing for our country.'},\n {'end_time': '32:49', 'start_time': '32:47', 'text': 'We are always having rajas.'},\n {'end_time': '32:51', 'start_time': '32:49', 'text': 'Now I say, were we bad?'},\n {'end_time': '32:52', 'start_time': '32:51', 'text': 'Not really.'},\n {'end_time': '32:56', 'start_time': '32:52', 'text': 'So what you do is that you go and study all those things and what were the Indian models of governance?'},\n {'end_time': '32:57', 'start_time': '32:56', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '33:03', 'start_time': '32:57', 'text': 'So the first step, if you take a subject like politics, one is called study it, research on it.'},\n {'end_time': '33:06', 'start_time': '33:03', 'text': 'Then the second step is, Anubhava.'},\n {'end_time': '33:08', 'start_time': '33:06', 'text': 'You know, practice it yourself.'},\n {'end_time': '33:09', 'start_time': '33:08', 'text': \"Don't just glorify it.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:10', 'start_time': '33:09', 'text': 'Try something on your Internship.'},\n {'end_time': '33:11', 'start_time': '33:10', 'text': 'Internship.'},\n {'end_time': '33:12', 'start_time': '33:11', 'text': 'So you study it.'},\n {'end_time': '33:13', 'start_time': '33:12', 'text': 'So I study it.'},\n {'end_time': '33:14', 'start_time': '33:13', 'text': 'I like your practice.'},\n {'end_time': '33:15', 'start_time': '33:14', 'text': 'And third is called prachar.'},\n {'end_time': '33:17', 'start_time': '33:16', 'text': 'What is a prachar?'},\n {'end_time': '33:19', 'start_time': '33:17', 'text': 'Prachar means share it.'},\n {'end_time': '33:23', 'start_time': '33:19', 'text': 'Go like a missionary and not to, you know, convert somebody saying the Indian is the best.'},\n {'end_time': '33:25', 'start_time': '33:23', 'text': \"But I'm making you aware of this also thing.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:25', 'start_time': '33:25', 'text': 'The prachar.'},\n {'end_time': '33:29', 'start_time': '33:26', 'text': 'And the 4th and the most important is document it.'},\n {'end_time': '33:32', 'start_time': '33:29', 'text': \"So it's very important to actually protect it.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:41', 'start_time': '33:35', 'text': 'So learn it, practice it, promote it, document it.'},\n {'end_time': '33:43', 'start_time': '33:41', 'text': 'So if we can do the 4 steps, take only something.'},\n {'end_time': '33:48', 'start_time': '33:43', 'text': \"If you like chemistry, you take biology, take aeroplane and we say, I don't know.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:49', 'start_time': '33:48', 'text': 'Study it.'},\n {'end_time': '33:55', 'start_time': '33:49', 'text': 'Take a protocol, go into IIT, make a model out of it and actually this is an Indian model of aeroplane.'},\n {'end_time': '34:02', 'start_time': '33:55', 'text': \"Probably you'll get some mathematics, take a Pythagoras theorem, take a gravitational theory, you decide natya shastra, arthya shastra, karma suddhu.\"},\n {'end_time': '34:07', 'start_time': '34:02', 'text': 'You decide what you want and then you experiment it and you look perfect and then finally you will find everything is spiritual.'},\n {'end_time': '34:13', 'start_time': '34:08', 'text': 'See finally the beauty of India is that whatever subject you take finally you will come to Godhood.'},\n {'end_time': '34:19', 'start_time': '34:13', 'text': 'Which country in this particular world has given every knowledge finally reaches you to the supreme which the westerners have called as self actualization.'},\n {'end_time': '34:22', 'start_time': '34:20', 'text': 'Use social media for that.'},\n {'end_time': '34:23', 'start_time': '34:22', 'text': 'Boom.'},\n {'end_time': '34:24', 'start_time': '34:23', 'text': 'Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '34:27', 'start_time': '34:24', 'text': \"So so that was a general kind of help that you've put out there.\"},\n {'end_time': '34:39', 'start_time': '34:27', 'text': 'Now I wanna be selfish and ask you as the mentor monkey, you mentored like Viraj, myself, Rajas, what do we do to become the Elon Musk, the Steve Jobs of India now?'},\n {'end_time': '34:40', 'start_time': '34:39', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '34:42', 'start_time': '34:40', 'text': \"So first of all I'm a student of your space.\"},\n {'end_time': '34:43', 'start_time': '34:42', 'text': 'I know.'},\n {'end_time': '34:46', 'start_time': '34:43', 'text': 'So you call me big brother, but you feel you are bigger than me.'},\n {'end_time': '34:47', 'start_time': '34:46', 'text': 'So let me accept that.'},\n {'end_time': '34:48', 'start_time': '34:47', 'text': 'What can you do?'},\n {'end_time': '34:48', 'start_time': '34:48', 'text': 'Three things.'},\n {'end_time': '34:53', 'start_time': '34:48', 'text': 'Definitely is that, you know, number 1 is that you need to create a road map.'},\n {'end_time': '34:53', 'start_time': '34:53', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '34:57', 'start_time': '34:53', 'text': 'So you know many times when we do any particular business, it starts with an idea.'},\n {'end_time': '35:00', 'start_time': '34:58', 'text': 'But what a period of your time you should get into structures.'},\n {'end_time': '35:01', 'start_time': '35:00', 'text': \"I'm sure you're working on that.\"},\n {'end_time': '35:06', 'start_time': '35:02', 'text': 'The second level and which is very important for you are not thinking about is getting to government policies.'},\n {'end_time': '35:08', 'start_time': '35:07', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '35:09', 'start_time': '35:08', 'text': 'I knew this is gonna come.'},\n {'end_time': '35:11', 'start_time': '35:11', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '35:12', 'start_time': '35:11', 'text': 'Social media was a government policy.'},\n {'end_time': '35:21', 'start_time': '35:12', 'text': 'Remember one thing, government of India specifically is big about social media, but you only created a platform maybe all these channels.'},\n {'end_time': '35:27', 'start_time': '35:21', 'text': 'But do you know you can actually get into policy decision making because in our country social media is not structured.'},\n {'end_time': '35:29', 'start_time': '35:28', 'text': 'You can structure it.'},\n {'end_time': '35:31', 'start_time': '35:30', 'text': 'Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '35:32', 'start_time': '35:32', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '35:35', 'start_time': '35:32', 'text': \"And I'll give you a specific example how it happened in our generation.\"},\n {'end_time': '35:38', 'start_time': '35:35', 'text': 'When we started our generation started IT, do you think it was structured?'},\n {'end_time': '35:44', 'start_time': '35:38', 'text': \"Some guys experimenting here and there, some background, I buy a diaper, and suddenly the government decided there's lot of money in that.\"},\n {'end_time': '35:47', 'start_time': '35:45', 'text': 'It became an IT department.'},\n {'end_time': '35:51', 'start_time': '35:47', 'text': 'Do you know we have an information technology department of the government of India, but it happened later on.'},\n {'end_time': '35:54', 'start_time': '35:51', 'text': \"Why don't you go to the government and say that this is what the youth wants?\"},\n {'end_time': '35:55', 'start_time': '35:54', 'text': 'Believe me, your moody will listen to you.'},\n {'end_time': '35:59', 'start_time': '35:55', 'text': 'He is the biggest social media brand today across the globe.'},\n {'end_time': '36:01', 'start_time': '35:59', 'text': \"And do you know he's got a team but it is not structured.\"},\n {'end_time': '36:02', 'start_time': '36:01', 'text': \"It's just evolving.\"},\n {'end_time': '36:04', 'start_time': '36:02', 'text': 'Geo is doing something, you are doing something unfuddling.'},\n {'end_time': '36:05', 'start_time': '36:04', 'text': \"It's big.\"},\n {'end_time': '36:10', 'start_time': '36:05', 'text': \"It's very big but one thing if you don't partner with the government they can even kill you.\"},\n {'end_time': '36:16', 'start_time': '36:11', 'text': \"I'm not telling they will kill you but they can because the power of the government can never underestimate it.\"},\n {'end_time': '36:19', 'start_time': '36:16', 'text': 'So first of all the last 5 10 years what we have done was a baby step.'},\n {'end_time': '36:21', 'start_time': '36:19', 'text': 'Now you have to think like an industry.'},\n {'end_time': '36:26', 'start_time': '36:21', 'text': 'See many times if you look at film industry, do you know it got an industry station just 10 years ago?'},\n {'end_time': '36:28', 'start_time': '36:27', 'text': 'Are you aware of this?'},\n {'end_time': '36:38', 'start_time': '36:28', 'text': 'So a country has been having films for 100 years and then it was like making films creativity, you know, and Raja Harish and the black and white and some Raj Kapoor era.'},\n {'end_time': '36:41', 'start_time': '36:39', 'text': 'And suddenly suddenly so many people are dependent.'},\n {'end_time': '36:42', 'start_time': '36:41', 'text': 'Their livelihood is different.'},\n {'end_time': '36:43', 'start_time': '36:42', 'text': 'People are migrating.'},\n {'end_time': '36:53', 'start_time': '36:43', 'text': 'They produce the largest films and then some thinkers, evolved people in that particular field sat down and said okay, there are people who are the bread and butter is dependent on it.'},\n {'end_time': '36:57', 'start_time': '36:53', 'text': 'And they went to the government of India, what it said is that please give us status of an industry.'},\n {'end_time': '36:59', 'start_time': '36:57', 'text': 'What do you mean by status of industry?'},\n {'end_time': '37:00', 'start_time': '36:59', 'text': 'You get a lot of tax benefit.'},\n {'end_time': '37:02', 'start_time': '37:01', 'text': 'You get a lot of funding.'},\n {'end_time': '37:07', 'start_time': '37:02', 'text': \"Your organized sector, you get capital and you've got a minister who will tell you what to do and what not to do.\"},\n {'end_time': '37:10', 'start_time': '37:07', 'text': \"And you can tell the minister what we want and we already don't want.\"},\n {'end_time': '37:13', 'start_time': '37:10', 'text': 'Social media as a platform is at a very baby stage.'},\n {'end_time': '37:14', 'start_time': '37:13', 'text': 'You can see the growth.'},\n {'end_time': '37:18', 'start_time': '37:15', 'text': \"You will be surprised it's going to be a giant and a monster which can eat you.\"},\n {'end_time': '37:19', 'start_time': '37:19', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '37:20', 'start_time': '37:19', 'text': 'But we said okay.'},\n {'end_time': '37:21', 'start_time': '37:20', 'text': \"Let's look at the positive.\"},\n {'end_time': '37:22', 'start_time': '37:21', 'text': \"Go to the comment and say that's gonna go.\"},\n {'end_time': '37:25', 'start_time': '37:22', 'text': \"Don't you think social media is only gonna go to bigger and bigger with time?\"},\n {'end_time': '37:25', 'start_time': '37:25', 'text': '100%.'},\n {'end_time': '37:28', 'start_time': '37:25', 'text': 'But have you ever thought of it that it can actually become a part of the government of India?'},\n {'end_time': '37:29', 'start_time': '37:28', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '37:30', 'start_time': '37:30', 'text': 'But as a future.'},\n {'end_time': '37:41', 'start_time': '37:31', 'text': \"That's where you have to be very smart and after 10 years, can Ranveer's show not just be a show but Ranveer and maybe 10 youtubers sit down and go to the p m o, which the film industry is doing by the way.\"},\n {'end_time': '37:44', 'start_time': '37:42', 'text': 'The best of the thinkers go and say this is what we want.'},\n {'end_time': '37:46', 'start_time': '37:44', 'text': 'We want the tax benefit, we want this, we want people.'},\n {'end_time': '37:52', 'start_time': '37:46', 'text': 'And today the film industry has evolved to such an extent that today we have a Bahubali which actually gets 100 crores.'},\n {'end_time': '37:59', 'start_time': '37:52', 'text': 'But tomorrow if you want an investment, you can actually get organized, invested and probably you can list your company in a stock market.'},\n {'end_time': '38:03', 'start_time': '38:00', 'text': 'The first things Maybe.'},\n {'end_time': '38:06', 'start_time': '38:04', 'text': 'So first thing was structure yourself.'},\n {'end_time': '38:07', 'start_time': '38:06', 'text': '2nd is get into government policy.'},\n {'end_time': '38:11', 'start_time': '38:07', 'text': 'And the last and the most important thing is that ask yourself when are you gonna exit it?'},\n {'end_time': '38:14', 'start_time': '38:14', 'text': 'Exit.'},\n {'end_time': '38:16', 'start_time': '38:14', 'text': \"Sorry I'm a teacher.\"},\n {'end_time': '38:17', 'start_time': '38:16', 'text': 'I look at from the Indian wisdom.'},\n {'end_time': '38:25', 'start_time': '38:18', 'text': 'You will be away probably after 20, 30, 50 years but the organization that you start, the company that you start should be sustainable.'},\n {'end_time': '38:27', 'start_time': '38:26', 'text': 'When I go to exit social media.'},\n {'end_time': '38:29', 'start_time': '38:28', 'text': 'Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '38:30', 'start_time': '38:29', 'text': 'Is that a question or like No.'},\n {'end_time': '38:31', 'start_time': '38:30', 'text': \"It's a question.\"},\n {'end_time': '38:32', 'start_time': '38:31', 'text': \"It's a very serious question.\"},\n {'end_time': '38:34', 'start_time': '38:32', 'text': 'Believe me, industries that grow.'},\n {'end_time': '38:37', 'start_time': '38:34', 'text': 'So for example, probably Raj Kapoor is gone.'},\n {'end_time': '38:38', 'start_time': '38:37', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '38:40', 'start_time': '38:38', 'text': 'But unfortunately, the company also died with him.'},\n {'end_time': '38:41', 'start_time': '38:40', 'text': 'R k films.'},\n {'end_time': '38:42', 'start_time': '38:41', 'text': 'Do you want such a language?'},\n {'end_time': '38:44', 'start_time': '38:42', 'text': 'What do you create in a lifetime?'},\n {'end_time': '38:46', 'start_time': '38:44', 'text': 'Or you want to be Steve Jobs or Elon Musk?'},\n {'end_time': '38:49', 'start_time': '38:46', 'text': 'Steve Jobs is not Steve Jobs because he created Apple.'},\n {'end_time': '38:53', 'start_time': '38:49', 'text': 'Steve Jobs is Steve Jobs because Apple continues to grow after Steve Jobs.'},\n {'end_time': '38:55', 'start_time': '38:54', 'text': 'We have that vision.'},\n {'end_time': '38:55', 'start_time': '38:55', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '38:56', 'start_time': '38:56', 'text': 'Exactly.'},\n {'end_time': '39:00', 'start_time': '38:56', 'text': 'But getting the structures, getting the government policies and getting the leadership succession.'},\n {'end_time': '39:02', 'start_time': '39:00', 'text': 'Because after 40 50 you will slow down.'},\n {'end_time': '39:03', 'start_time': '39:02', 'text': \"It's natural phase.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:04', 'start_time': '39:03', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '39:07', 'start_time': '39:04', 'text': 'But then you should have the young energetic team who will make it better.'},\n {'end_time': '39:13', 'start_time': '39:08', 'text': 'So if India and Bollywood has got somebody called as Dharma production, Karan Johar, do you know the history?'},\n {'end_time': '39:18', 'start_time': '39:14', 'text': 'Not many people know that actually the foundation of Dharma production is not Karan Johar.'},\n {'end_time': '39:20', 'start_time': '39:18', 'text': \"It's actually his father.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:20', 'start_time': '39:20', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '39:20', 'start_time': '39:20', 'text': 'Sure.'},\n {'end_time': '39:21', 'start_time': '39:20', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '39:23', 'start_time': '39:21', 'text': \"So he's gone, but Dharma production is taken forward.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:25', 'start_time': '39:23', 'text': \"I'm telling you social media will be young.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:26', 'start_time': '39:25', 'text': 'It may be baby stage for you.'},\n {'end_time': '39:31', 'start_time': '39:26', 'text': \"3, 4, 5, 7 years but believe me, you're to think saying that after 3 generations what's gonna happen?\"},\n {'end_time': '39:32', 'start_time': '39:31', 'text': 'Start thinking now.'},\n {'end_time': '39:34', 'start_time': '39:32', 'text': \"That's when China builds an empire.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:37', 'start_time': '39:34', 'text': \"He says, you know, what's gonna happen after a 100 years, after maybe 500 years.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:43', 'start_time': '39:38', 'text': \"The foundations of social media should be so strong and it's a sustainable model for generations to come.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:45', 'start_time': '39:43', 'text': 'Of course with innovation and adaptability to change.'},\n {'end_time': '39:46', 'start_time': '39:45', 'text': 'Alright, Premja.'},\n {'end_time': '39:50', 'start_time': '39:46', 'text': 'And so my final question to you super quick is that what are the different industries that young India should look at and say, growth.'},\n {'end_time': '39:55', 'start_time': '39:50', 'text': \"That's why I'll grow my own that's why I'll grow my own career.\"},\n {'end_time': '39:56', 'start_time': '39:55', 'text': 'There are 2 ways of looking at it.'},\n {'end_time': '39:59', 'start_time': '39:56', 'text': 'There are many industries and for me the number one industry is travel.'},\n {'end_time': '40:01', 'start_time': '40:00', 'text': \"It's the reason kya.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:06', 'start_time': '40:01', 'text': 'Traditionally if you look at it and the Marwadi communities, the Gujarati communities know this very well.'},\n {'end_time': '40:08', 'start_time': '40:07', 'text': \"People will eat, isn't it?\"},\n {'end_time': '40:08', 'start_time': '40:08', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '40:11', 'start_time': '40:08', 'text': 'So food industry will always be there with lot of innovation.'},\n {'end_time': '40:13', 'start_time': '40:11', 'text': 'Kapara, we like fashion, fiber.'},\n {'end_time': '40:13', 'start_time': '40:13', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '40:19', 'start_time': '40:13', 'text': \"Makan, you know, we always like housing infrastructure, but we have forgotten that one of the key industries for India's travel.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:20', 'start_time': '40:19', 'text': \"We love to travel, isn't it?\"},\n {'end_time': '40:22', 'start_time': '40:20', 'text': 'We just came back from Nagpur.'},\n {'end_time': '40:23', 'start_time': '40:22', 'text': \"No more you're gonna go there.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:26', 'start_time': '40:23', 'text': 'Airline industry, hotel industry, everything is interconnected.'},\n {'end_time': '40:29', 'start_time': '40:26', 'text': \"We actually don't give importance to travel in this particular country.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:30', 'start_time': '40:29', 'text': 'Travel is not a career.'},\n {'end_time': '40:30', 'start_time': '40:30', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '40:32', 'start_time': '40:30', 'text': 'It is something that you do logistically.'},\n {'end_time': '40:33', 'start_time': '40:32', 'text': 'But do you know how big it is?'},\n {'end_time': '40:36', 'start_time': '40:33', 'text': \"And it's unfortunate that jet terrorist failed in such an industry.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:36', 'start_time': '40:36', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '40:40', 'start_time': '40:36', 'text': \"Somewhere the management system didn't know but it's not good for an economy.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:46', 'start_time': '40:40', 'text': \"So when I say travel, not when I speak to a lot of people, all the career options, engineers, doctors, you know, slowly that's dying off.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:50', 'start_time': '40:46', 'text': \"The whole idea is that they never looked at travel which is India's biggest thing.\"},\n {'end_time': '40:52', 'start_time': '40:50', 'text': 'There are countries which are dependent on travel.'},\n {'end_time': '40:55', 'start_time': '40:52', 'text': 'If you look at Singapore or many other countries, how can we not look at it?'},\n {'end_time': '40:58', 'start_time': '40:55', 'text': 'So coming back to the young generation should give importance to travel.'},\n {'end_time': '41:04', 'start_time': '40:58', 'text': \"2nd industry problem it's very important to know is anything and everything connected to heritage.\"},\n {'end_time': '41:07', 'start_time': '41:05', 'text': 'See Indian heritage is coming back in its big way.'},\n {'end_time': '41:12', 'start_time': '41:07', 'text': \"For example, again thanks to Modi ji, he's promoting a lot of cultural tourism.\"},\n {'end_time': '41:14', 'start_time': '41:12', 'text': 'But cultural tourism is not about the travel.'},\n {'end_time': '41:15', 'start_time': '41:14', 'text': 'I already told you about travels.'},\n {'end_time': '41:18', 'start_time': '41:15', 'text': 'When you go to a particular place, can you hold them?'},\n {'end_time': '41:18', 'start_time': '41:18', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '41:19', 'start_time': '41:18', 'text': 'Maybe do a research.'},\n {'end_time': '41:20', 'start_time': '41:19', 'text': 'So let me give an example.'},\n {'end_time': '41:22', 'start_time': '41:20', 'text': 'If you go to Ujjain temple.'},\n {'end_time': '41:23', 'start_time': '41:22', 'text': 'Ujjain temple?'},\n {'end_time': '41:25', 'start_time': '41:23', 'text': 'Man Shiva great temple?'},\n {'end_time': '41:25', 'start_time': '41:25', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '41:30', 'start_time': '41:25', 'text': \"But there is a system of knowledge in Ujjain temple that if you go there, they'll actually tell you whether your grandfather came to this temple.\"},\n {'end_time': '41:32', 'start_time': '41:31', 'text': 'Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '41:39', 'start_time': '41:33', 'text': \"If you actually go to places like Tirupati or you go to Kerala, their knowledge system we don't know.\"},\n {'end_time': '41:41', 'start_time': '41:39', 'text': \"So what I'm saying is young people can get into research.\"},\n {'end_time': '41:56', 'start_time': '41:41', 'text': 'And very important, if you look at current budget, even Nirmala Sitharaman, her first female full time finance minister actually has announced huge huge huge points for r and d, research and development.'},\n {'end_time': '41:59', 'start_time': '41:57', 'text': \"So what I'm saying is that when are we looking at research?\"},\n {'end_time': '42:06', 'start_time': '41:59', 'text': 'For example, if you want to do research on social media, actually you can get 100 crores from the government of India or any particular field, IIT, IIM.'},\n {'end_time': '42:10', 'start_time': '42:06', 'text': \"So what I'm saying that this youth is full of opportunities but we are not thinking like a researcher.\"},\n {'end_time': '42:11', 'start_time': '42:10', 'text': \"We're not looking at the future.\"},\n {'end_time': '42:13', 'start_time': '42:11', 'text': 'We are looking at you know what what is innovation.'},\n {'end_time': '42:17', 'start_time': '42:13', 'text': 'But 5 years after that, 5 years apple puts a lot of money in research.'},\n {'end_time': '42:18', 'start_time': '42:17', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '42:20', 'start_time': '42:18', 'text': 'Luckily there are Indian companies for example, Patanjali.'},\n {'end_time': '42:22', 'start_time': '42:21', 'text': 'Like Baba Ramdev, do you know?'},\n {'end_time': '42:26', 'start_time': '42:23', 'text': '500 crores is their annual budget for research for RND.'},\n {'end_time': '42:31', 'start_time': '42:27', 'text': \"And that's why they just go and, you know, almost touch Unilever in 1 5 years.\"},\n {'end_time': '42:33', 'start_time': '42:32', 'text': \"We don't see.\"},\n {'end_time': '42:45', 'start_time': '42:37', 'text': \"So what I'm saying is whatever be your field, I think the youth should focus on various industries but whichever industry you are, the automobile industry, the research is the future.\"},\n {'end_time': '42:46', 'start_time': '42:46', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '42:46', 'start_time': '42:46', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '42:48', 'start_time': '42:46', 'text': \"So that's the key decision?\"},\n {'end_time': '42:50', 'start_time': '42:48', 'text': 'India went down because they stopped doing research?'},\n {'end_time': '42:50', 'start_time': '42:50', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '42:51', 'start_time': '42:50', 'text': 'I totally feel that.'},\n {'end_time': '42:51', 'start_time': '42:51', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '42:54', 'start_time': '42:51', 'text': 'Going up because they will do research.'},\n {'end_time': '42:54', 'start_time': '42:54', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '42:56', 'start_time': '42:54', 'text': 'Anyway, thank you Radha sir again.'},\n {'end_time': '42:58', 'start_time': '42:56', 'text': 'Another episode of monkey chat has blown me away.'},\n {'end_time': '43:00', 'start_time': '42:58', 'text': \"I'm sure it's blown you away as well.\"},\n {'end_time': '43:01', 'start_time': '43:00', 'text': 'Thank you Radha sir.'},\n {'end_time': '43:05', 'start_time': '43:01', 'text': \"Obviously, I'll be linking Radha sir's handles down below, his books down below.\"},\n {'end_time': '43:06', 'start_time': '43:05', 'text': 'Make sure you go check it out.'},\n {'end_time': '43:07', 'start_time': '43:06', 'text': 'Make sure you buy.'},\n {'end_time': '43:08', 'start_time': '43:07', 'text': 'Make sure you subscribe to We Are Buysas.'},\n {'end_time': '43:09', 'start_time': '43:08', 'text': 'Make sure you follow Radha sir.'},\n {'end_time': '43:14', 'start_time': '43:10', 'text': 'And from this super intelligent conversation, we will see you later.'},\n {'end_time': '43:14', 'start_time': '43:14', 'text': 'Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '43:15', 'start_time': '43:14', 'text': 'Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '43:16', 'start_time': '43:15', 'text': \"It's been an honor to be here.\"},\n {'end_time': '43:17', 'start_time': '43:17', 'text': 'Thank you, sir.'}],\n dtype=object)}", "role": "user" }, { "content": "{'chapters': 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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:05", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "Welcome to another episode of monkey chat featuring my boy, Viraj Sheth, my cofounder on monkey entertainment." }, { "end_time": "0:08", "start_time": "0:05", "text": "Once again, today's theme is engineering college." }, { "end_time": "0:22", "start_time": "0:08", "text": "We're gonna go over entire engineering college journey, right from 6th standard where we began IIT coaching up to now when we're, like, 25 year olds, and we're looking back at engineering college and figuring, okay, that's what we gained from there, and those are all the mistakes we made in engineering college." }, { "end_time": "0:29", "start_time": "0:22", "text": "So this is gonna be a super fun conversation if you're an engineer, if you're currently in engineering college, or even if you're thinking about getting into engineering college." }, { "end_time": "0:34", "start_time": "0:29", "text": "Absolutely everything you need to know in a super fun, true Indian engineering student way." }, { "end_time": "0:35", "start_time": "0:34", "text": "Enjoy the episode." }, { "end_time": "0:39", "start_time": "0:37", "text": "Welcome to another episode of monkey chat." }, { "end_time": "0:43", "start_time": "0:39", "text": "He was supposed to be my co host, then we decided that I'm gonna host this show instead." }, { "end_time": "0:43", "start_time": "0:43", "text": "Oh." }, { "end_time": "0:43", "start_time": "0:43", "text": "Alon." }, { "end_time": "0:44", "start_time": "0:43", "text": "Shit." }, { "end_time": "0:47", "start_time": "0:44", "text": "He's also my business partner, mister Viraj Sheid." }, { "end_time": "0:51", "start_time": "0:47", "text": "He's the man who's made me millions and made himself millions." }, { "end_time": "0:54", "start_time": "0:51", "text": "So very humble Gujrati, Khaleem." }, { "end_time": "0:57", "start_time": "0:55", "text": "One of the most intelligent guys I've met in my life." }, { "end_time": "0:58", "start_time": "0:57", "text": "Also, a brother." }, { "end_time": "1:03", "start_time": "0:58", "text": "And this episode is entirely about engineering college, specifically for engineering students." }, { "end_time": "1:06", "start_time": "1:03", "text": "Trust me." }, { "end_time": "1:06", "start_time": "1:06", "text": "You're gonna learn a lot in this episode." }, { "end_time": "1:09", "start_time": "1:06", "text": "You're also going to feel very connected to us because we have shared your pain." }, { "end_time": "1:12", "start_time": "1:09", "text": "We have shared all the stuff you have gone through." }, { "end_time": "1:15", "start_time": "1:12", "text": "Viraj Sheth, my first question to you is let's jump straight into it." }, { "end_time": "1:19", "start_time": "1:15", "text": "As a 10th standard kid, did you know that you're gonna enter engineering college?" }, { "end_time": "1:27", "start_time": "1:19", "text": "Not at all, but, my most obvious path was science because I was that guy who just succumb to peer pressure very easily." }, { "end_time": "1:29", "start_time": "1:27", "text": "So I was from a CBSE school." }, { "end_time": "1:37", "start_time": "1:29", "text": "Everyone in my school, literally everyone, like, 98 out of a 100 students went for science because that's probably how the curriculum was." }, { "end_time": "1:38", "start_time": "1:37", "text": "So everyone went for science." }, { "end_time": "1:41", "start_time": "1:39", "text": "Most of them went for engineering only." }, { "end_time": "1:47", "start_time": "1:41", "text": "So my first experience after 10th was keep PACE entrance exam because we have to get into PACE." }, { "end_time": "1:48", "start_time": "1:47", "text": "I I filled the PACE money." }, { "end_time": "1:50", "start_time": "1:48", "text": "Like, I gave money to PACE." }, { "end_time": "1:50", "start_time": "1:50", "text": "Oh, and you did." }, { "end_time": "1:51", "start_time": "1:50", "text": "I went for classes." }, { "end_time": "1:52", "start_time": "1:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:55", "start_time": "1:52", "text": "And then I realized, what is it?" }, { "end_time": "1:57", "start_time": "1:55", "text": "Dude, do you know the questions they ask in PACE?" }, { "end_time": "2:00", "start_time": "1:57", "text": "The maths questions are like, there is a bird on top of a train." }, { "end_time": "2:03", "start_time": "2:00", "text": "The train is moving, and there's another train moving on the same track from the other side." }, { "end_time": "2:03", "start_time": "2:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:05", "start_time": "2:03", "text": "And both the trains are gonna collide." }, { "end_time": "2:06", "start_time": "2:05", "text": "At what point will they collide?" }, { "end_time": "2:07", "start_time": "2:06", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "2:07", "start_time": "2:07", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "2:07", "start_time": "2:07", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "2:08", "start_time": "2:07", "text": "It gets worse." }, { "end_time": "2:15", "start_time": "2:08", "text": "Then the bird flies from one train to the other, touches that, and then comes back to this train, but both the trainings are moving trains are moving towards each other." }, { "end_time": "2:18", "start_time": "2:16", "text": "So calculate how many times the bird touches the train." }, { "end_time": "2:19", "start_time": "2:18", "text": "So This is like Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:23", "start_time": "2:20", "text": "I gave the aptitude test and I didn't take the decision." }, { "end_time": "2:26", "start_time": "2:23", "text": "My mom was like, Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:29", "start_time": "2:26", "text": "Dude, my my family from my mom's side is full of IIT engineers." }, { "end_time": "2:29", "start_time": "2:29", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "2:31", "start_time": "2:29", "text": "So IIT is basically in my khoon." }, { "end_time": "2:33", "start_time": "2:31", "text": "And they were like, oh, you're also a smart kid, bro." }, { "end_time": "2:34", "start_time": "2:33", "text": "You have to." }, { "end_time": "2:35", "start_time": "2:34", "text": "I didn't get it." }, { "end_time": "2:39", "start_time": "2:35", "text": "And I went there super competitive, like Environment." }, { "end_time": "2:40", "start_time": "2:39", "text": "Environment." }, { "end_time": "2:41", "start_time": "2:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:43", "start_time": "2:41", "text": "Super intense environment." }, { "end_time": "2:44", "start_time": "2:43", "text": "Very depressive." }, { "end_time": "2:48", "start_time": "2:44", "text": "It's like, you wake up at, like, 5 in the morning, classes start at 6." }, { "end_time": "2:52", "start_time": "2:48", "text": "From 6 to 11, you have to attend, IIT classes." }, { "end_time": "2:52", "start_time": "2:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:55", "start_time": "2:52", "text": "Extremely difficult problems." }, { "end_time": "2:55", "start_time": "2:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:58", "start_time": "2:55", "text": "I think that if I had better teaching that time Right." }, { "end_time": "3:01", "start_time": "2:58", "text": "I would have probably managed better, but the teaching wasn't good." }, { "end_time": "3:06", "start_time": "3:02", "text": "For me, it was mostly I don't think I was, like, meant for that kind of Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:07", "start_time": "3:06", "text": "A curriculum itself." }, { "end_time": "3:09", "start_time": "3:07", "text": "It was not my interest at all." }, { "end_time": "3:11", "start_time": "3:09", "text": "I I think both of us have found our vibes in life." }, { "end_time": "3:15", "start_time": "3:11", "text": "Like, I think I was always born the way you do or you're born to be the To be the head of behind." }, { "end_time": "3:16", "start_time": "3:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:16", "start_time": "3:16", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:21", "start_time": "3:16", "text": "So it's like, yeah, I I knew math, physics, chemistry was not my vibe in general." }, { "end_time": "3:23", "start_time": "3:21", "text": "I think you personally love physics a lot." }, { "end_time": "3:24", "start_time": "3:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:26", "start_time": "3:24", "text": "But I didn't like PCM at all." }, { "end_time": "3:31", "start_time": "3:26", "text": "But for me, it's like I was really good with, like, communication, social sciences and all of that." }, { "end_time": "3:32", "start_time": "3:31", "text": "And floating." }, { "end_time": "3:33", "start_time": "3:32", "text": "And, that." }, { "end_time": "3:35", "start_time": "3:34", "text": "Not really." }, { "end_time": "3:44", "start_time": "3:35", "text": "But, but the thing is, I couldn't go back to my mom and say that, mom, these are the subjects I topped in English and social sciences." }, { "end_time": "3:46", "start_time": "3:44", "text": "So my obvious degree is arts." }, { "end_time": "3:47", "start_time": "3:46", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "3:50", "start_time": "3:47", "text": "So it's like that was never the situation." }, { "end_time": "3:53", "start_time": "3:50", "text": "Dude, in school, my mom told me there's this beautiful course called BMM." }, { "end_time": "3:55", "start_time": "3:53", "text": "Ranveer, if your heart says BMM, do it." }, { "end_time": "3:56", "start_time": "3:55", "text": "So then I finished my 10,000." }, { "end_time": "4:02", "start_time": "3:58", "text": "And then when time for BMM came in, she's like, no, But try PACE." }, { "end_time": "4:03", "start_time": "4:02", "text": "Try try IIT." }, { "end_time": "4:04", "start_time": "4:03", "text": "Try IIT." }, { "end_time": "4:05", "start_time": "4:04", "text": "And I'm like, okay." }, { "end_time": "4:05", "start_time": "4:05", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "4:09", "start_time": "4:07", "text": "And so she's like, to be IIT." }, { "end_time": "4:10", "start_time": "4:09", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "4:12", "start_time": "4:10", "text": "I got actor actor director director." }, { "end_time": "4:14", "start_time": "4:12", "text": "And that's why I got in that." }, { "end_time": "4:22", "start_time": "4:14", "text": "And the thing with PACE is, every single day, those classes start with, like, you have to go to IIT." }, { "end_time": "4:22", "start_time": "4:22", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "4:23", "start_time": "4:22", "text": "There's no other way." }, { "end_time": "4:23", "start_time": "4:23", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "4:26", "start_time": "4:23", "text": "You will you will fail in your life if you go to IIT." }, { "end_time": "4:28", "start_time": "4:26", "text": "So those kids are like, oh, everyone's scared." }, { "end_time": "4:31", "start_time": "4:28", "text": "Everyone's like, I have to call non IIT tuitions also." }, { "end_time": "4:47", "start_time": "4:31", "text": "So if you go for engineering tuitions Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:49", "start_time": "4:47", "text": "We are not in Bombay context." }, { "end_time": "4:51", "start_time": "4:49", "text": "It's like Borivali and Villiparli and Martunga." }, { "end_time": "4:52", "start_time": "4:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:52", "start_time": "4:52", "text": "So And all of that." }, { "end_time": "4:58", "start_time": "4:52", "text": "If you go for those tuitions, there they tell you that if you've not got VJTI or UDCT, which are the 2 top Bombay Colleges, your life is good." }, { "end_time": "4:59", "start_time": "4:58", "text": "You're like you're dead." }, { "end_time": "5:01", "start_time": "4:59", "text": "Like, you know, why are you existing?" }, { "end_time": "5:02", "start_time": "5:01", "text": "Why are you doing engineering?" }, { "end_time": "5:03", "start_time": "5:02", "text": "Then might as well do some whatever course." }, { "end_time": "5:05", "start_time": "5:03", "text": "IIT becomes a little discounted because it's too far." }, { "end_time": "5:07", "start_time": "5:05", "text": "Then the next layer becomes the ultimate." }, { "end_time": "5:07", "start_time": "5:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:10", "start_time": "5:07", "text": "Then if you don't get in, you go into the other colleges." }, { "end_time": "5:10", "start_time": "5:10", "text": "Like Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:12", "start_time": "5:10", "text": "And that's why you and me Which was yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:13", "start_time": "5:12", "text": "Which was The 3rd layer." }, { "end_time": "5:14", "start_time": "5:13", "text": "Which was the 3rd layer." }, { "end_time": "5:20", "start_time": "5:15", "text": "Sanghvi, SPIT, and, Tharomal Chandi would be probably the 3rd one." }, { "end_time": "5:24", "start_time": "5:20", "text": "And in those colleges, they tell you that if you don't go for an MBA or MS, then your life is screwed." }, { "end_time": "5:32", "start_time": "5:24", "text": "Life is dead because again, if you are from DJ Sanghvi, which means you are coming from an affluent family because the school the college had AC." }, { "end_time": "5:32", "start_time": "5:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:36", "start_time": "5:32", "text": "So DG Sangvi was in good situation." }, { "end_time": "5:40", "start_time": "5:36", "text": "If you don't do an MS or masters after that, it's over for you." }, { "end_time": "5:41", "start_time": "5:40", "text": "Like, what else will you do?" }, { "end_time": "5:43", "start_time": "5:41", "text": "So technically, you and me are not even in the 3rd layer now." }, { "end_time": "5:44", "start_time": "5:43", "text": "We're in the 4th layer." }, { "end_time": "5:44", "start_time": "5:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:48", "start_time": "5:45", "text": "And now we have those versions in business, but I think we've that's what engineering teaches you." }, { "end_time": "5:49", "start_time": "5:48", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "5:52", "start_time": "5:49", "text": "Teaches you to eat a lot of and insults Lot of stuff." }, { "end_time": "5:59", "start_time": "5:52", "text": "Like, for I think both of us were, like, similar kinds of students, like, backbenchers and you know doing assignments on the last QT." }, { "end_time": "6:00", "start_time": "6:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:01", "start_time": "6:00", "text": "All of that." }, { "end_time": "6:04", "start_time": "6:01", "text": "And it's always like we were those kids just class." }, { "end_time": "6:05", "start_time": "6:04", "text": "They were always like, hi." }, { "end_time": "6:06", "start_time": "6:05", "text": "You too." }, { "end_time": "6:07", "start_time": "6:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:08", "start_time": "6:08", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:12", "start_time": "6:09", "text": "Like with you, it was like, how do you do that?" }, { "end_time": "6:17", "start_time": "6:12", "text": "Oh, I'll I'll we'll come to these dumbbell stories later, and I have a ton of even motivational stories." }, { "end_time": "6:20", "start_time": "6:18", "text": "But let's rewind back to 11, 12." }, { "end_time": "6:25", "start_time": "6:21", "text": "Very unhealthy environment for 16, 17 year old kids when I look back." }, { "end_time": "6:25", "start_time": "6:25", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "6:27", "start_time": "6:25", "text": "I had a teacher in my tuitions." }, { "end_time": "6:28", "start_time": "6:27", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "6:33", "start_time": "6:28", "text": "So basically, in PACE, they're again I mean, in IIT coaching, they tell you, again, IIT, your whole life is screwed." }, { "end_time": "6:34", "start_time": "6:33", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "6:36", "start_time": "6:34", "text": "Those kids are living in so much pressure." }, { "end_time": "6:37", "start_time": "6:36", "text": "People get depressed." }, { "end_time": "6:37", "start_time": "6:37", "text": "People drop out." }, { "end_time": "6:40", "start_time": "6:37", "text": "People cry because their whole life becomes IIT." }, { "end_time": "6:43", "start_time": "6:40", "text": "And if they don't get it, people, you know, it even drives some people to suicidal." }, { "end_time": "6:44", "start_time": "6:43", "text": "Exactly, dude." }, { "end_time": "6:45", "start_time": "6:44", "text": "It's like they get distraught." }, { "end_time": "6:46", "start_time": "6:45", "text": "They're crying." }, { "end_time": "6:48", "start_time": "6:47", "text": "What do I do?" }, { "end_time": "6:52", "start_time": "6:48", "text": "2 years of my life at first getting decided by one day of examination?" }, { "end_time": "6:53", "start_time": "6:52", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "6:54", "start_time": "6:53", "text": "And there's so much pressure, dude." }, { "end_time": "6:54", "start_time": "6:54", "text": "I've been into that situation." }, { "end_time": "6:54", "start_time": "6:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:54", "start_time": "6:54", "text": "So I personally gave CED and not IIT." }, { "end_time": "6:54", "start_time": "6:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:57", "start_time": "6:54", "text": "And even though So I personally gave CED and not IIT." }, { "end_time": "6:57", "start_time": "6:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:59", "start_time": "6:57", "text": "And even that, first of all, you have, like, barely an hour to complete." }, { "end_time": "7:00", "start_time": "6:59", "text": "Like CED is the state version of the level." }, { "end_time": "7:02", "start_time": "7:00", "text": "Level of the National exam." }, { "end_time": "7:04", "start_time": "7:02", "text": "Get into, State college." }, { "end_time": "7:06", "start_time": "7:04", "text": "Or local state college or something like that." }, { "end_time": "7:11", "start_time": "7:10", "text": "And there's so much pressure." }, { "end_time": "7:14", "start_time": "7:11", "text": "First of all, like so many students into one center." }, { "end_time": "7:19", "start_time": "7:14", "text": "Everyone's like, you know, trying to at the last moment, learn some of the formulas or that." }, { "end_time": "7:20", "start_time": "7:19", "text": "It gets so high intensity." }, { "end_time": "7:24", "start_time": "7:21", "text": "It's definitely one of my worst experience." }, { "end_time": "7:26", "start_time": "7:24", "text": "Those 2 years were the worst 2 years of my life." }, { "end_time": "7:32", "start_time": "7:27", "text": "And I know there's a bunch of students who've also had, like, the golden years or whatever, but I know that they won't relish it." }, { "end_time": "7:33", "start_time": "7:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:33", "start_time": "7:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:34", "start_time": "7:33", "text": "Like, whoever topped it." }, { "end_time": "7:34", "start_time": "7:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:35", "start_time": "7:34", "text": "Whoever topped it and all." }, { "end_time": "7:38", "start_time": "7:35", "text": "There's too much pressure and that system Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:39", "start_time": "7:38", "text": "Just not sustainable." }, { "end_time": "7:41", "start_time": "7:39", "text": "It's as bad on the medical side if not worse." }, { "end_time": "7:41", "start_time": "7:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:42", "start_time": "7:41", "text": "It's just as bad." }, { "end_time": "7:47", "start_time": "7:42", "text": "So for me, actually, my IIT journey actually started back when I was in the 6th grade." }, { "end_time": "7:57", "start_time": "7:48", "text": "My mom put me in these classes called insight, which is one of the classes that starts teaching students from the 6th grade." }, { "end_time": "7:57", "start_time": "7:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:00", "start_time": "7:57", "text": "So there's like a 5 year pre prep for IIT." }, { "end_time": "8:00", "start_time": "8:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:01", "start_time": "8:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:03", "start_time": "8:01", "text": "And after that, there's 2 year 2 more years of prep." }, { "end_time": "8:05", "start_time": "8:03", "text": "And then there's 4 more years of IIT." }, { "end_time": "8:08", "start_time": "8:05", "text": "So your life is IIT." }, { "end_time": "8:11", "start_time": "8:08", "text": "Like there is nothing else you know, there's no personality development." }, { "end_time": "8:12", "start_time": "8:11", "text": "Nothing." }, { "end_time": "8:12", "start_time": "8:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:16", "start_time": "8:12", "text": "And they tell you that personality development and all doesn't matter only and only this matter." }, { "end_time": "8:20", "start_time": "8:16", "text": "You learn carbon properties and why it has so many fucking branches." }, { "end_time": "8:20", "start_time": "8:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:22", "start_time": "8:20", "text": "So, anyway, we're not gonna hate on the education system." }, { "end_time": "8:23", "start_time": "8:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:26", "start_time": "8:23", "text": "But I'll tell you what, this whole parent pushing the kids into IIT is the version is the parent's version of people getting out of an airplane." }, { "end_time": "8:27", "start_time": "8:26", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "8:36", "start_time": "8:27", "text": "Like, you know, when an airplane lands and then everybody gets up, they'll stand in line for, like, half an hour." }, { "end_time": "8:41", "start_time": "8:36", "text": "And then there'll be some kids sitting around saying, like, we were those kids." }, { "end_time": "8:41", "start_time": "8:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:41", "start_time": "8:41", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "8:43", "start_time": "8:41", "text": "And we still, like, even in airplanes now." }, { "end_time": "8:46", "start_time": "8:43", "text": "We'll we'll leave last." }, { "end_time": "8:46", "start_time": "8:46", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "8:48", "start_time": "8:47", "text": "So, anyway, I dropped out of those IIT classes because I was, like, fuck this shit, basically." }, { "end_time": "8:49", "start_time": "8:48", "text": "You know, I can't calculate basically." }, { "end_time": "8:51", "start_time": "8:50", "text": "You know, I can't calculate words between trains and shit." }, { "end_time": "8:52", "start_time": "8:51", "text": "And I remember literally that that I confronted my parents." }, { "end_time": "8:54", "start_time": "8:52", "text": "I was like, there's no way I can do this." }, { "end_time": "8:55", "start_time": "8:54", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "8:58", "start_time": "8:56", "text": "And first, it was me." }, { "end_time": "8:59", "start_time": "8:58", "text": "Finally, I convinced them." }, { "end_time": "8:59", "start_time": "8:59", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "9:06", "start_time": "8:59", "text": "The next day, I felt I felt relieved." }, { "end_time": "9:07", "start_time": "9:06", "text": "Relieved." }, { "end_time": "9:07", "start_time": "9:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:08", "start_time": "9:07", "text": "I was like, that felt nice." }, { "end_time": "9:11", "start_time": "9:08", "text": "So but did you join, like, CD classes and all that?" }, { "end_time": "9:13", "start_time": "9:11", "text": "And little did I know that they're also pretty intense." }, { "end_time": "9:16", "start_time": "9:13", "text": "It's the same shit, just at a little bit of a micro level." }, { "end_time": "9:17", "start_time": "9:16", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:17", "start_time": "9:17", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "9:17", "start_time": "9:17", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "9:19", "start_time": "9:17", "text": "It's a lot easier than IIT, but it's still a lot of hard work." }, { "end_time": "9:27", "start_time": "9:19", "text": "There's a lot of So IIT is a lot of non but in the end, you have to use your brain and analytical thinking." }, { "end_time": "9:27", "start_time": "9:27", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "9:30", "start_time": "9:27", "text": "Here, it's a lot of little analytic." }, { "end_time": "9:31", "start_time": "9:30", "text": "Little analytical." }, { "end_time": "9:32", "start_time": "9:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:34", "start_time": "9:32", "text": "So anyway, 11, 12 is also intense." }, { "end_time": "9:38", "start_time": "9:34", "text": "Even those teachers who know you about engineering, medicine life." }, { "end_time": "9:39", "start_time": "9:38", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "9:39", "start_time": "9:39", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "9:40", "start_time": "9:39", "text": "Too much pressure." }, { "end_time": "9:44", "start_time": "9:40", "text": "Like, we had this one physics tuition teacher we went to, very famous physics tuition teacher in Bombay." }, { "end_time": "9:51", "start_time": "9:44", "text": "Dude, the things she used to say to students, math is equivalent." }, { "end_time": "9:53", "start_time": "9:52", "text": "Like, basically, the teachers used to tie up." }, { "end_time": "9:53", "start_time": "9:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:56", "start_time": "9:53", "text": "They used to tie up and have their internal, like, Exactly." }, { "end_time": "9:56", "start_time": "9:56", "text": "Internal factions." }, { "end_time": "9:57", "start_time": "9:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:57", "start_time": "9:57", "text": "Stable." }, { "end_time": "10:00", "start_time": "9:57", "text": "As if you're not in my tag team, you've joined maths with that guy." }, { "end_time": "10:01", "start_time": "10:00", "text": "I was having a treat you." }, { "end_time": "10:01", "start_time": "10:01", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "10:02", "start_time": "10:01", "text": "Your mom is having an affair with him." }, { "end_time": "10:03", "start_time": "10:02", "text": "Oh my god." }, { "end_time": "10:05", "start_time": "10:03", "text": "And you're putting 16 year olds through, like, shit like that." }, { "end_time": "10:06", "start_time": "10:05", "text": "Shit." }, { "end_time": "10:07", "start_time": "10:06", "text": "And 16 year olds are so dumb, dude." }, { "end_time": "10:09", "start_time": "10:07", "text": "Like, they don't like, whatever the teachers say becomes their life." }, { "end_time": "10:13", "start_time": "10:09", "text": "And that's a perspective that you wish you had when you were 16, 17." }, { "end_time": "10:13", "start_time": "10:13", "text": "I know." }, { "end_time": "10:13", "start_time": "10:13", "text": "I know." }, { "end_time": "10:17", "start_time": "10:13", "text": "So anyway, you get through 2 years, and then they tell you that, hey, you're not a CED." }, { "end_time": "10:18", "start_time": "10:17", "text": "Your life is chill." }, { "end_time": "10:21", "start_time": "10:19", "text": "So I'm not a slut bro." }, { "end_time": "10:23", "start_time": "10:21", "text": "So call it starts." }, { "end_time": "10:23", "start_time": "10:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:23", "start_time": "10:23", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "10:26", "start_time": "10:23", "text": "And, dude, like an idiot in my first time." }, { "end_time": "10:29", "start_time": "10:26", "text": "I thought that only, like, Right." }, { "end_time": "10:30", "start_time": "10:29", "text": "Way too easy." }, { "end_time": "10:30", "start_time": "10:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:31", "start_time": "10:30", "text": "I was like, nah, dude." }, { "end_time": "10:32", "start_time": "10:31", "text": "I've struggled in my life." }, { "end_time": "10:32", "start_time": "10:32", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "10:33", "start_time": "10:32", "text": "I've hustled." }, { "end_time": "10:40", "start_time": "10:33", "text": "I've so 4 years, I'm not going to do anything, especially the first step because 12 Little did you know." }, { "end_time": "10:40", "start_time": "10:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:43", "start_time": "10:40", "text": "So what was your 1st semester or 1st year experience?" }, { "end_time": "10:44", "start_time": "10:43", "text": "Dude, okay." }, { "end_time": "10:48", "start_time": "10:44", "text": "To be honest, I feel like I had a very fancy schooling." }, { "end_time": "10:50", "start_time": "10:48", "text": "Like, I went to the Durvaa Mani International." }, { "end_time": "10:51", "start_time": "10:50", "text": "Money school." }, { "end_time": "10:52", "start_time": "10:51", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "10:54", "start_time": "10:52", "text": "Where you're brought up very yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:01", "start_time": "10:54", "text": "You're brought up like a fancy person, but you're also taught very analytical thinking, very you know, your personality is developed in that school." }, { "end_time": "11:01", "start_time": "11:01", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "11:02", "start_time": "11:01", "text": "And they don't just focus on studies." }, { "end_time": "11:05", "start_time": "11:02", "text": "They focus on sports and they focus on communication skills." }, { "end_time": "11:05", "start_time": "11:05", "text": "And Right." }, { "end_time": "11:07", "start_time": "11:05", "text": "And whatever I am today is because of that school." }, { "end_time": "11:08", "start_time": "11:07", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "11:11", "start_time": "11:08", "text": "But back then, I did have perspective on, like, the real world." }, { "end_time": "11:11", "start_time": "11:11", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "11:16", "start_time": "11:11", "text": "So when I entered, DJ Sanghvi, which I again owe a lot to Right." }, { "end_time": "11:16", "start_time": "11:16", "text": "But Same." }, { "end_time": "11:19", "start_time": "11:16", "text": "The level of education was, like, a lot lesser, okay, to be honest." }, { "end_time": "11:20", "start_time": "11:19", "text": "Like, it was no Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:25", "start_time": "11:20", "text": "Because it was, like, under Mumbai University and the whole curriculum is suited to be across all colleges." }, { "end_time": "11:25", "start_time": "11:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:26", "start_time": "11:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:32", "start_time": "11:26", "text": "So, my mentality, firstly, was kind of looking down on engineering because I realized once engineering started Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "11:35", "start_time": "11:33", "text": "That it was again a lot of rote learning." }, { "end_time": "12:10", "start_time": "11:35", "text": "In fact, it was more rote learning than even what, like, systems or computers you're using, and those computers are not in usage right now." }, { "end_time": "12:13", "start_time": "12:10", "text": "Like, so why the hell am I learning about those computers now?" }, { "end_time": "12:15", "start_time": "12:13", "text": "Dude, and it doesn't just stop at the curriculum." }, { "end_time": "12:18", "start_time": "12:15", "text": "I'll tell you at to what degree the rote learning goes to engineering." }, { "end_time": "12:21", "start_time": "12:19", "text": "Everyone goes for tuitions in the 1st 7 Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:22", "start_time": "12:21", "text": "Which is so weird, dude." }, { "end_time": "12:25", "start_time": "12:22", "text": "You've done intense levels of tuitions in your 11th, 12th." }, { "end_time": "12:26", "start_time": "12:25", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "12:27", "start_time": "12:26", "text": "And your 1st year, again, people are like, no." }, { "end_time": "12:28", "start_time": "12:27", "text": "I'm not gonna do mechanics." }, { "end_time": "12:31", "start_time": "12:28", "text": "I'm not gonna do computer programming." }, { "end_time": "12:36", "start_time": "12:32", "text": "So you you go there on herd mentality because your whole class is going and you think, shit, I'll miss out on something." }, { "end_time": "12:38", "start_time": "12:36", "text": "There's probably 1, 2 kids who don't go." }, { "end_time": "12:38", "start_time": "12:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:40", "start_time": "12:38", "text": "BEE and mechanics and all that." }, { "end_time": "12:44", "start_time": "12:40", "text": "It's also because your parents sort of now feel that you're crippled without tuitions." }, { "end_time": "12:44", "start_time": "12:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:47", "start_time": "12:44", "text": "Dude, and you go for the tuitions and it's not even like 11 of tuitions." }, { "end_time": "12:50", "start_time": "12:47", "text": "There, even the professor teach you from the rata mentality." }, { "end_time": "12:50", "start_time": "12:50", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "12:55", "start_time": "12:50", "text": "I went we had a subject called EDC and it was a very famous, electronic design professor." }, { "end_time": "12:55", "start_time": "12:55", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "12:56", "start_time": "12:55", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "13:01", "start_time": "12:56", "text": "And electronic design is a very complex subject where you're supposed to teach about electron movements inside circuits and all." }, { "end_time": "13:01", "start_time": "13:01", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "13:05", "start_time": "13:01", "text": "So you go in expecting that you teach your teacher to make a movement." }, { "end_time": "13:05", "start_time": "13:05", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "13:09", "start_time": "13:08", "text": "And what does he teach you?" }, { "end_time": "13:11", "start_time": "13:09", "text": "He gives you a and what's that thing called?" }, { "end_time": "13:12", "start_time": "13:11", "text": "Anagram Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:12", "start_time": "13:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:14", "start_time": "13:12", "text": "To remember particular formula." }, { "end_time": "13:22", "start_time": "13:18", "text": "So, f is equal to m into c or in m into I don't know why it was." }, { "end_time": "13:24", "start_time": "13:22", "text": "And you're like, what am I learning, dude?" }, { "end_time": "13:25", "start_time": "13:24", "text": "This is not engineering." }, { "end_time": "13:26", "start_time": "13:25", "text": "This is a class." }, { "end_time": "13:27", "start_time": "13:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:29", "start_time": "13:27", "text": "So that was my 1st year, 1st sem." }, { "end_time": "13:32", "start_time": "13:29", "text": "How how was your math 3 experience?" }, { "end_time": "13:33", "start_time": "13:32", "text": "I'm I'm too good in math." }, { "end_time": "13:33", "start_time": "13:33", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "13:33", "start_time": "13:33", "text": "Good." }, { "end_time": "13:34", "start_time": "13:33", "text": "So math?" }, { "end_time": "13:38", "start_time": "13:34", "text": "Because math 3 is like the worst subject of all of engineering." }, { "end_time": "13:38", "start_time": "13:38", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "13:42", "start_time": "13:38", "text": "If they're getting a drop or getting a k t, it was math 3." }, { "end_time": "13:49", "start_time": "13:43", "text": "And I was that guy because just say that there was like I got into fest and all of that too early." }, { "end_time": "13:51", "start_time": "13:50", "text": "He's a fucking loser." }, { "end_time": "13:53", "start_time": "13:51", "text": "And okay." }, { "end_time": "13:55", "start_time": "13:54", "text": "So and then I was like, okay." }, { "end_time": "13:58", "start_time": "13:55", "text": "I'm actually dancing with Harbin." }, { "end_time": "14:03", "start_time": "13:58", "text": "But I was just going to watch the dance team perform, but I didn't study at all." }, { "end_time": "14:04", "start_time": "14:03", "text": "So I was chill the next day." }, { "end_time": "14:05", "start_time": "14:04", "text": "There was a paper." }, { "end_time": "14:06", "start_time": "14:05", "text": "I got one out of, like, 20." }, { "end_time": "14:07", "start_time": "14:06", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "14:08", "start_time": "14:07", "text": "Then I tried to recover." }, { "end_time": "14:09", "start_time": "14:08", "text": "Didn't get into it." }, { "end_time": "14:10", "start_time": "14:09", "text": "Got a KT." }, { "end_time": "14:10", "start_time": "14:10", "text": "All of that." }, { "end_time": "14:11", "start_time": "14:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:12", "start_time": "14:11", "text": "Parents still didn't know about it." }, { "end_time": "14:15", "start_time": "14:12", "text": "I gotta talk about this whole KT story also from my end." }, { "end_time": "14:15", "start_time": "14:15", "text": "Oh, yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:17", "start_time": "14:15", "text": "You had a KT in your first year." }, { "end_time": "14:24", "start_time": "14:17", "text": "And I I I think I got so I was the highest marks in CED in my class, and I'd I'd got into really good colleges in Bombay." }, { "end_time": "14:25", "start_time": "14:25", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "14:27", "start_time": "14:25", "text": "And I purposely taken DJ Sanghi because I heard crowd master." }, { "end_time": "14:28", "start_time": "14:27", "text": "Chill." }, { "end_time": "14:29", "start_time": "14:28", "text": "Crowd master." }, { "end_time": "14:32", "start_time": "14:30", "text": "So, at college, I see it." }, { "end_time": "14:32", "start_time": "14:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:33", "start_time": "14:32", "text": "All all that." }, { "end_time": "14:33", "start_time": "14:33", "text": "All that shit." }, { "end_time": "14:34", "start_time": "14:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:34", "start_time": "14:34", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "14:36", "start_time": "14:34", "text": "And that was my reasoning behind taking DJ Sanghi." }, { "end_time": "14:41", "start_time": "14:36", "text": "But little did I know that that crowd must have 1, 2 students in each class." }, { "end_time": "14:45", "start_time": "14:41", "text": "It's people from Kandivali saying that this is what's a crowd." }, { "end_time": "14:48", "start_time": "14:46", "text": "And shout out to people from Kandivali." }, { "end_time": "14:54", "start_time": "14:48", "text": "So beer wise, I was like, you know, it's like it's it's I thought it's like a great call, but it wasn't." }, { "end_time": "14:54", "start_time": "14:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:56", "start_time": "14:54", "text": "People are still very nerdy." }, { "end_time": "14:59", "start_time": "14:56", "text": "And they're nerdy not in terms of I want to learn circuits." }, { "end_time": "15:00", "start_time": "14:59", "text": "I want to learn programming." }, { "end_time": "15:02", "start_time": "15:00", "text": "It's nerdy in terms of, you know, it's not a formula." }, { "end_time": "15:05", "start_time": "15:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:09", "start_time": "15:05", "text": "It's like they're nerdy based on which is a very wrong kind of nerdy, and it's not their fault." }, { "end_time": "15:11", "start_time": "15:09", "text": "That's the kind of education they've grown up with." }, { "end_time": "15:12", "start_time": "15:11", "text": "I know." }, { "end_time": "15:19", "start_time": "15:12", "text": "Anyway, coming back to this KT thing, the way in 11, 12, you're told that if you don't get IIT or if you don't get a good engineer because your careers ruined." }, { "end_time": "15:24", "start_time": "15:19", "text": "In engineering, the version of that is if you get a KT, dude, who will hire you Oh, bosh." }, { "end_time": "15:25", "start_time": "15:24", "text": "And then you go ahead." }, { "end_time": "15:27", "start_time": "15:25", "text": "Like, you've ruined your career." }, { "end_time": "15:28", "start_time": "15:27", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "15:34", "start_time": "15:28", "text": "And my my way of being rebellious in 1st time was Okay?" }, { "end_time": "15:35", "start_time": "15:34", "text": "So I I literally did that." }, { "end_time": "15:42", "start_time": "15:36", "text": "And I remember sitting in that one BW basic engineering electronics paper and not knowing anything in the morning." }, { "end_time": "15:43", "start_time": "15:42", "text": "I saw the paper." }, { "end_time": "15:44", "start_time": "15:43", "text": "I was like, Katie." }, { "end_time": "15:46", "start_time": "15:45", "text": "So I was like, no." }, { "end_time": "15:48", "start_time": "15:46", "text": "I just need to not get single digit out of 100." }, { "end_time": "15:51", "start_time": "15:49", "text": "Just save your ass, like, save yourself from embarrassment." }, { "end_time": "15:54", "start_time": "15:53", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "15:55", "start_time": "15:54", "text": "And I got a KT." }, { "end_time": "16:00", "start_time": "15:55", "text": "And from being, like, the topper in CET, I went to, like, the bottom 3 of my class." }, { "end_time": "16:01", "start_time": "16:00", "text": "I got 48%." }, { "end_time": "16:02", "start_time": "16:01", "text": "How was that feeling?" }, { "end_time": "16:04", "start_time": "16:03", "text": "Damn bad." }, { "end_time": "16:07", "start_time": "16:05", "text": "The next day like, on the day I got it, I was like, oh, oh, shit." }, { "end_time": "16:08", "start_time": "16:07", "text": "Like, you know, that's bad." }, { "end_time": "16:10", "start_time": "16:08", "text": "Like, I failed for the first time in my life." }, { "end_time": "16:11", "start_time": "16:10", "text": "Then your conscience kicked in." }, { "end_time": "16:13", "start_time": "16:11", "text": "I'm like, bro, I was the topper." }, { "end_time": "16:13", "start_time": "16:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:14", "start_time": "16:13", "text": "Or what happened?" }, { "end_time": "16:18", "start_time": "16:14", "text": "It started getting worse at home, but when I went to college, dude, people look at you like you murdered someone." }, { "end_time": "16:19", "start_time": "16:19", "text": "Damn." }, { "end_time": "16:25", "start_time": "16:22", "text": "People people really talk to you like your dog has died or something." }, { "end_time": "16:26", "start_time": "16:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:27", "start_time": "16:26", "text": "Sorry." }, { "end_time": "16:27", "start_time": "16:27", "text": "Are you okay?" }, { "end_time": "16:32", "start_time": "16:30", "text": "And I'm just like, dude, okay." }, { "end_time": "16:34", "start_time": "16:32", "text": "I wasn't feeling bad, but you're making me feel worse." }, { "end_time": "16:37", "start_time": "16:35", "text": "Then it really started to kick in." }, { "end_time": "16:37", "start_time": "16:37", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "16:40", "start_time": "16:37", "text": "Then it, like, it really got to me." }, { "end_time": "16:45", "start_time": "16:40", "text": "And because you hear so many voices around you telling you that your whole career is ruined, you actually start believing that." }, { "end_time": "16:46", "start_time": "16:45", "text": "Shit." }, { "end_time": "16:47", "start_time": "16:46", "text": "I've actually messed up in life." }, { "end_time": "16:48", "start_time": "16:47", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "16:49", "start_time": "16:48", "text": "Very depressed." }, { "end_time": "16:51", "start_time": "16:49", "text": "That was, like, the height of depression that I got." }, { "end_time": "16:54", "start_time": "16:51", "text": "At the same time, in my personal life, I I had, like, a very bad situation." }, { "end_time": "16:54", "start_time": "16:54", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "16:57", "start_time": "16:54", "text": "In fact, we made a detailed video on this." }, { "end_time": "16:58", "start_time": "16:57", "text": "It's called You had a break up." }, { "end_time": "16:58", "start_time": "16:58", "text": "I'm guessing." }, { "end_time": "16:59", "start_time": "16:59", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "17:00", "start_time": "16:59", "text": "I got I got played around with." }, { "end_time": "17:03", "start_time": "17:00", "text": "I made a depression story video, so go check it out." }, { "end_time": "17:07", "start_time": "17:03", "text": "That one came straight on my heart, and that story is genuinely true." }, { "end_time": "17:10", "start_time": "17:07", "text": "I think with age, I've learned to look back at that phase and laugh." }, { "end_time": "17:12", "start_time": "17:11", "text": "Like, why do you take it to No." }, { "end_time": "17:13", "start_time": "17:12", "text": "That's how it should be." }, { "end_time": "17:14", "start_time": "17:13", "text": "So fair enough." }, { "end_time": "17:20", "start_time": "17:14", "text": "But, okay, let's move to discussing about, you know, those courses that seniors sell to you." }, { "end_time": "17:22", "start_time": "17:20", "text": "He learn coding in, like, 5 days." }, { "end_time": "17:25", "start_time": "17:22", "text": "Learn ethical hacking in 1 week or 2 days." }, { "end_time": "17:26", "start_time": "17:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:29", "start_time": "17:26", "text": "Did you take that up or were you the one who sold that course?" }, { "end_time": "17:31", "start_time": "17:29", "text": "Initially, I was the one who took it up." }, { "end_time": "17:33", "start_time": "17:31", "text": "Later, I bet my businessman kicked in and I was like, no." }, { "end_time": "17:35", "start_time": "17:33", "text": "I'll be the I'll be the one selling that too." }, { "end_time": "17:35", "start_time": "17:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:35", "start_time": "17:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:36", "start_time": "17:35", "text": "That's also interesting story about how we met." }, { "end_time": "17:37", "start_time": "17:36", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "17:38", "start_time": "17:37", "text": "About how we met." }, { "end_time": "17:40", "start_time": "17:38", "text": "Anyway, we'll we'll come to this." }, { "end_time": "17:46", "start_time": "17:40", "text": "My point is basically, even with this whole thing about going for those courses, there's too much herd mentality in engineering college." }, { "end_time": "17:50", "start_time": "17:46", "text": "If kids see 5 kids going somewhere, they they get FOMO, and then they go for it." }, { "end_time": "17:50", "start_time": "17:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:51", "start_time": "17:50", "text": "And they're wasting their time." }, { "end_time": "17:55", "start_time": "17:51", "text": "That ethical hacking and those other courses that they sell you, don't crap." }, { "end_time": "17:56", "start_time": "17:55", "text": "Add anything to your CV." }, { "end_time": "17:57", "start_time": "17:56", "text": "So stop going for those." }, { "end_time": "17:59", "start_time": "17:57", "text": "It's basically you know what you're doing?" }, { "end_time": "18:02", "start_time": "17:59", "text": "You're giving that organizer a 5 star on his CV." }, { "end_time": "18:04", "start_time": "18:02", "text": "You're not doing anything for your own." }, { "end_time": "18:06", "start_time": "18:04", "text": "He's being able to say that I organize a course." }, { "end_time": "18:10", "start_time": "18:06", "text": "So that's what if you really wanna build your CV in engineering college, it comes from leadership pedestal." }, { "end_time": "18:15", "start_time": "18:10", "text": "So if you're actually able to organize workshops Sell things, don't, like, buy these stupid things." }, { "end_time": "18:15", "start_time": "18:15", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "18:18", "start_time": "18:15", "text": "You are never gonna learn ethical hacking in 2 days." }, { "end_time": "18:19", "start_time": "18:18", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:21", "start_time": "18:19", "text": "So, dude, there's too much herd mentality." }, { "end_time": "18:32", "start_time": "18:21", "text": "And I completely fell out of love with engineering, but, dude, getting that KT and having people, point fingers at you and, you know, kind of being mentally convinced that your whole career is over Right." }, { "end_time": "18:34", "start_time": "18:32", "text": "Makes you very tough." }, { "end_time": "18:36", "start_time": "18:34", "text": "How did you get out of the feeling that, oh, shit." }, { "end_time": "18:38", "start_time": "18:36", "text": "Now I have a I have a KD." }, { "end_time": "18:40", "start_time": "18:38", "text": "How do you rise up from that?" }, { "end_time": "18:42", "start_time": "18:40", "text": "Dude, so honestly, I got this tattoo." }, { "end_time": "18:42", "start_time": "18:42", "text": "And Okay." }, { "end_time": "18:43", "start_time": "18:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:43", "start_time": "18:43", "text": "Till today." }, { "end_time": "18:45", "start_time": "18:43", "text": "And, you know, people look down on tattoos and all." }, { "end_time": "18:52", "start_time": "18:45", "text": "I feel the thing with tattoos is if it has a motivational message, and if it's helping you, if it's adding positivity in your life, tattoos are good thing." }, { "end_time": "18:56", "start_time": "18:53", "text": "In saying that, I mean, think a lot before getting a tattoo." }, { "end_time": "19:00", "start_time": "18:56", "text": "I got this super impulsively because I could have the story to tell throughout my life." }, { "end_time": "19:00", "start_time": "19:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:04", "start_time": "19:00", "text": "And I legit had that feeling of, okay, dude." }, { "end_time": "19:05", "start_time": "19:04", "text": "Now you're at rock bottom." }, { "end_time": "19:07", "start_time": "19:05", "text": "So now literally the only thing you can do is go upwards." }, { "end_time": "19:08", "start_time": "19:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:08", "start_time": "19:08", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:12", "start_time": "19:08", "text": "So I asked some of my seniors who had also failed and asked them that does it really affect your career?" }, { "end_time": "19:13", "start_time": "19:12", "text": "And there was all mixed reaction." }, { "end_time": "19:14", "start_time": "19:13", "text": "Some people said it doesn't." }, { "end_time": "19:15", "start_time": "19:14", "text": "Some people said it does." }, { "end_time": "19:17", "start_time": "19:15", "text": "The nerds said that, oh, bro." }, { "end_time": "19:19", "start_time": "19:18", "text": "Be born." }, { "end_time": "19:23", "start_time": "19:23", "text": "It's it's all that." }, { "end_time": "19:30", "start_time": "19:24", "text": "So anyway, 2nd year, for most engineers is actually also where the alcohol, weed, and all kicks in." }, { "end_time": "19:31", "start_time": "19:30", "text": "What are you talking about?" }, { "end_time": "19:33", "start_time": "19:32", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "19:34", "start_time": "19:33", "text": "For most engineers." }, { "end_time": "19:34", "start_time": "19:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:34", "start_time": "19:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:39", "start_time": "19:34", "text": "So, there was And it's also like a lot of college fests that creeps into your life." }, { "end_time": "19:39", "start_time": "19:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:39", "start_time": "19:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:43", "start_time": "19:39", "text": "2nd year is where engineering college actually becomes More fun, I think." }, { "end_time": "19:43", "start_time": "19:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:44", "start_time": "19:43", "text": "Engineering college." }, { "end_time": "19:44", "start_time": "19:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:51", "start_time": "19:44", "text": "So when we look back at engineering college, I think 2nd year onwards is where you kind of look back and say, that's where I grew up a little bit." }, { "end_time": "19:51", "start_time": "19:51", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "19:58", "start_time": "19:52", "text": "In terms of it's not a good thing, but getting drunk a lot, partying a lot, which is not good for health." }, { "end_time": "20:01", "start_time": "19:58", "text": "And in retrospect, I wouldn't have drank as much as I did back then." }, { "end_time": "20:04", "start_time": "20:01", "text": "But I think I was so much in pain and so much You know?" }, { "end_time": "20:05", "start_time": "20:04", "text": "It was an escape route for you." }, { "end_time": "20:05", "start_time": "20:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:06", "start_time": "20:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:07", "start_time": "20:06", "text": "And I didn't have a career." }, { "end_time": "20:09", "start_time": "20:07", "text": "That's what it is for most of these engineering students." }, { "end_time": "20:09", "start_time": "20:09", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "20:10", "start_time": "20:09", "text": "It's like, shit." }, { "end_time": "20:12", "start_time": "20:10", "text": "We didn't expect engineering to be like this." }, { "end_time": "20:12", "start_time": "20:12", "text": "So bad." }, { "end_time": "20:13", "start_time": "20:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:13", "start_time": "20:13", "text": "But fine." }, { "end_time": "20:15", "start_time": "20:13", "text": "I mean, we are in it now, so might as well get through." }, { "end_time": "20:18", "start_time": "20:15", "text": "That's where this whole stereotype of engineering students being Ganges and drunkards comes from." }, { "end_time": "20:18", "start_time": "20:18", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "20:19", "start_time": "20:18", "text": "Because everyone is suffering." }, { "end_time": "20:24", "start_time": "20:19", "text": "Like, people think that after studying so hard in your 11, 12, you'll be able to chill, but it's not that." }, { "end_time": "20:25", "start_time": "20:24", "text": "That's not the case." }, { "end_time": "20:30", "start_time": "20:25", "text": "In fact, there's even more pressure because you know that on the other side of engineering college, once you cross the line is your career." }, { "end_time": "20:30", "start_time": "20:30", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "20:35", "start_time": "20:30", "text": "And engineering college, the whole vibe is even the professors tell you that there is no scope for your career beyond engineering." }, { "end_time": "20:39", "start_time": "20:36", "text": "So you kind of create a reality for yourself that shit." }, { "end_time": "20:42", "start_time": "20:39", "text": "Abhijme, my path entered and I won't be able to change my also." }, { "end_time": "20:42", "start_time": "20:42", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "20:44", "start_time": "20:42", "text": "So lot of people get depressed." }, { "end_time": "20:45", "start_time": "20:44", "text": "3, 4 years into their career." }, { "end_time": "20:47", "start_time": "20:45", "text": "At the age of 20 526, they realize, hold on." }, { "end_time": "20:48", "start_time": "20:47", "text": "Wait." }, { "end_time": "20:49", "start_time": "20:48", "text": "There are other careers out there." }, { "end_time": "20:50", "start_time": "20:49", "text": "I was lying." }, { "end_time": "20:51", "start_time": "20:50", "text": "More careers." }, { "end_time": "20:53", "start_time": "20:51", "text": "And the thing is with engineering professors is right." }, { "end_time": "20:55", "start_time": "20:53", "text": "Their whole life has been about that." }, { "end_time": "20:57", "start_time": "20:55", "text": "Oh, engineering, physics." }, { "end_time": "21:03", "start_time": "20:57", "text": "Just like stuck to it, and that's what they propagate to their kids also, and that's what they propagate to the students also." }, { "end_time": "21:04", "start_time": "21:03", "text": "So don't fall for that." }, { "end_time": "21:04", "start_time": "21:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:10", "start_time": "21:05", "text": "And there's this other famous stereotype over engineering professors where there is a lot of picking on students." }, { "end_time": "21:11", "start_time": "21:11", "text": "Oh." }, { "end_time": "21:15", "start_time": "21:12", "text": "People are biased all the time in any field, anywhere." }, { "end_time": "21:15", "start_time": "21:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:20", "start_time": "21:15", "text": "So So that always happens, and I was that guy who was always picked against." }, { "end_time": "21:20", "start_time": "21:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:22", "start_time": "21:20", "text": "Because why one last venture?" }, { "end_time": "21:28", "start_time": "21:22", "text": "2 never gives assignments on times, 3 always gets the assignments done by someone else." }, { "end_time": "21:30", "start_time": "21:28", "text": "And it's it was just that." }, { "end_time": "21:31", "start_time": "21:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:31", "start_time": "21:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:31", "start_time": "21:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:34", "start_time": "21:31", "text": "Even so, I don't participate." }, { "end_time": "21:40", "start_time": "21:34", "text": "For the non engineers watching this, you might think that assignments are these really intelligent coding or engineering projects." }, { "end_time": "21:42", "start_time": "21:40", "text": "I'll tell you what assignments are." }, { "end_time": "21:51", "start_time": "21:42", "text": "Basically, they'll teach you a chapter in class and where, the teacher will tell you that assignment is 1 student in class, the most nerdy student." }, { "end_time": "21:53", "start_time": "21:51", "text": "This is their every engineer will do that assignment." }, { "end_time": "21:55", "start_time": "21:53", "text": "And what is the assignment?" }, { "end_time": "21:56", "start_time": "21:55", "text": "It's basically." }, { "end_time": "21:59", "start_time": "21:56", "text": "You have to copy, things from your textbook." }, { "end_time": "22:01", "start_time": "21:59", "text": "What is the formula for this equation?" }, { "end_time": "22:02", "start_time": "22:01", "text": "And then you see the paragraph." }, { "end_time": "22:05", "start_time": "22:02", "text": "You write the paragraph exactly like how it's written in the textbook." }, { "end_time": "22:09", "start_time": "22:05", "text": "So that that diligent student, the smart student, will copy the paragraphs." }, { "end_time": "22:09", "start_time": "22:09", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "22:12", "start_time": "22:10", "text": "And then and he'll be a good guy, usually." }, { "end_time": "22:17", "start_time": "22:12", "text": "He'll give his assignment to his best friend, and that best friend will make 5 copies of it in in the end." }, { "end_time": "22:17", "start_time": "22:17", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "22:21", "start_time": "22:17", "text": "They'll just put on WhatsApp groups to just share a material in WhatsApp groups." }, { "end_time": "22:22", "start_time": "22:21", "text": "That that's what happened during my time." }, { "end_time": "22:23", "start_time": "22:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:24", "start_time": "22:23", "text": "So it's it's whatever." }, { "end_time": "22:25", "start_time": "22:24", "text": "WhatsApp or Xerox." }, { "end_time": "22:26", "start_time": "22:25", "text": "He'll Xerox the thing." }, { "end_time": "22:27", "start_time": "22:26", "text": "All of that." }, { "end_time": "22:27", "start_time": "22:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:29", "start_time": "22:27", "text": "The Xerox guy in engineering called Mints Money." }, { "end_time": "22:29", "start_time": "22:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:31", "start_time": "22:29", "text": "He's the biggest moneymaker in engineering." }, { "end_time": "22:37", "start_time": "22:31", "text": "Because, again, it's a copy based copying based, what's it called, course." }, { "end_time": "22:37", "start_time": "22:37", "text": "Course." }, { "end_time": "22:41", "start_time": "22:37", "text": "So you have to copy close to 30 to 40 pages per assignment." }, { "end_time": "22:42", "start_time": "22:41", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "22:43", "start_time": "22:42", "text": "You're not learning shit." }, { "end_time": "22:44", "start_time": "22:43", "text": "You're copying blindly." }, { "end_time": "22:48", "start_time": "22:44", "text": "If you don't know what it's like actually a design, and that's not a meme." }, { "end_time": "22:49", "start_time": "22:48", "text": "That's the truth." }, { "end_time": "22:50", "start_time": "22:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:53", "start_time": "22:50", "text": "So, and you have to copy things the way they're written in textbooks." }, { "end_time": "22:57", "start_time": "22:53", "text": "So the textbooks also, the sentences get over halfway through the sentences, like grammar mistakes." }, { "end_time": "22:59", "start_time": "22:57", "text": "There's logical mistakes." }, { "end_time": "22:59", "start_time": "22:59", "text": "K?" }, { "end_time": "23:01", "start_time": "22:59", "text": "How have you entered the chapter here?" }, { "end_time": "23:02", "start_time": "23:01", "text": "We've not explained that thing, but it ends there." }, { "end_time": "23:04", "start_time": "23:02", "text": "So you're just supposed to copy it the way it's written in the textbook." }, { "end_time": "23:05", "start_time": "23:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:10", "start_time": "23:05", "text": "The cool thing about engineering college is that near our college, we had another college called Mukesh Patel." }, { "end_time": "23:10", "start_time": "23:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:17", "start_time": "23:10", "text": "And under Mukesh Patel, there is this guy who started a business of taking assignments from students and writing it for you." }, { "end_time": "23:17", "start_time": "23:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:19", "start_time": "23:17", "text": "That was the best business model for us." }, { "end_time": "23:20", "start_time": "23:19", "text": "So and and it's expensive." }, { "end_time": "23:24", "start_time": "23:20", "text": "It's like like I think it's 10 rupees per page, 5 rupees a page or something like that." }, { "end_time": "23:28", "start_time": "23:24", "text": "If you're doing, like, you know, 40 pages per assignment, that's 400 rupees per assignment." }, { "end_time": "23:30", "start_time": "23:28", "text": "So it's a good business for him." }, { "end_time": "23:30", "start_time": "23:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:34", "start_time": "23:30", "text": "But imagine, dude, people have made a business out of doing your assignments in engineering college." }, { "end_time": "23:34", "start_time": "23:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:36", "start_time": "23:34", "text": "That's how wrecked the system is." }, { "end_time": "23:36", "start_time": "23:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:40", "start_time": "23:36", "text": "And this is what people don't understand outside of the engineering college world." }, { "end_time": "23:44", "start_time": "23:40", "text": "People think that when you're entering engineering college, you think that, hey, I'm getting good education." }, { "end_time": "23:44", "start_time": "23:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:46", "start_time": "23:44", "text": "I'm becoming a man of worth or woman of worth." }, { "end_time": "24:06", "start_time": "23:46", "text": "And and So, it's that." }, { "end_time": "24:13", "start_time": "24:07", "text": "Again, really, you see people going down spirals of smoking, smoking up, and drinking Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:14", "start_time": "24:13", "text": "Finding the peace there." }, { "end_time": "24:23", "start_time": "24:15", "text": "Professors start picking on you because you, enter your department and people realize that Now there's a segment of professors that govern you Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:25", "start_time": "24:23", "text": "Before the 1st year is a general category." }, { "end_time": "24:26", "start_time": "24:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:28", "start_time": "24:26", "text": "And you basically come to terms with reality." }, { "end_time": "24:34", "start_time": "24:28", "text": "Then what happens is that, once a professor starts picking on you, it becomes very intense, I think." }, { "end_time": "24:35", "start_time": "24:34", "text": "It never stops." }, { "end_time": "24:39", "start_time": "24:35", "text": "Rohan Joshi also tweeted about this this one professor who used to psychologically pick on him." }, { "end_time": "24:39", "start_time": "24:39", "text": "Rohan." }, { "end_time": "24:40", "start_time": "24:39", "text": "It always used to happen." }, { "end_time": "24:40", "start_time": "24:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:42", "start_time": "24:40", "text": "Dude, and they'll they'll say, like, very toxic things." }, { "end_time": "24:44", "start_time": "24:42", "text": "Like, you shouldn't say that to, like, a 19 year old." }, { "end_time": "24:45", "start_time": "24:44", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "24:46", "start_time": "24:45", "text": "It can really affect someone's confidence." }, { "end_time": "24:48", "start_time": "24:46", "text": "Sir, I look up to you." }, { "end_time": "24:48", "start_time": "24:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:53", "start_time": "24:48", "text": "So, there was this one professor who, basically, again, we had to copy the assignment." }, { "end_time": "25:03", "start_time": "24:53", "text": "So I copied the entire assignment just like the rest of the class, but because my reputation was, so she gave the whole class an a and she gave me a d." }, { "end_time": "25:04", "start_time": "25:03", "text": "Like, not even like a b." }, { "end_time": "25:05", "start_time": "25:04", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "25:06", "start_time": "25:05", "text": "And I confronted her." }, { "end_time": "25:07", "start_time": "25:06", "text": "I was like, what?" }, { "end_time": "25:08", "start_time": "25:07", "text": "Worst thing true." }, { "end_time": "25:09", "start_time": "25:08", "text": "How many kya?" }, { "end_time": "25:10", "start_time": "25:09", "text": "Like, why do you give me a d?" }, { "end_time": "25:10", "start_time": "25:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:12", "start_time": "25:10", "text": "Because this overall reduces your aggregate." }, { "end_time": "25:13", "start_time": "25:12", "text": "This reduces your overall percentage." }, { "end_time": "25:15", "start_time": "25:14", "text": "And she's like, no." }, { "end_time": "25:16", "start_time": "25:15", "text": "And she smiled at me." }, { "end_time": "25:17", "start_time": "25:16", "text": "She did this." }, { "end_time": "25:19", "start_time": "25:19", "text": "Sorry." }, { "end_time": "25:25", "start_time": "25:19", "text": "So, you can't confront." }, { "end_time": "25:28", "start_time": "25:27", "text": "So shit like that." }, { "end_time": "25:29", "start_time": "25:28", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "25:32", "start_time": "25:29", "text": "And you you see this happening a lot." }, { "end_time": "25:39", "start_time": "25:33", "text": "There was once in my 2nd year results, the the results came out and a professor literally did this." }, { "end_time": "25:46", "start_time": "25:39", "text": "He made the toppers of the class, like, the best magus get up and said, Okay." }, { "end_time": "25:49", "start_time": "25:46", "text": "He make it all, like, the top 6 guys of the class or 60 get up." }, { "end_time": "25:53", "start_time": "25:49", "text": "And he's like, Okay?" }, { "end_time": "26:12", "start_time": "26:11", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "26:14", "start_time": "26:12", "text": "And and, you know, you're you're subjected to shit like that." }, { "end_time": "26:14", "start_time": "26:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:20", "start_time": "26:15", "text": "Which which feels awesome when I go back to college now and I call for lectures and I meet the same professors." }, { "end_time": "26:22", "start_time": "26:20", "text": "That's the other side of the story." }, { "end_time": "26:24", "start_time": "26:22", "text": "But, yeah, basically, lot of ego battles that Oh, god." }, { "end_time": "26:27", "start_time": "26:24", "text": "A lot of power play happening between the professors also." }, { "end_time": "26:27", "start_time": "26:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:29", "start_time": "26:27", "text": "And it's don't think that, you know, we were the arrogant ones." }, { "end_time": "26:31", "start_time": "26:29", "text": "Like, we were just regular students too." }, { "end_time": "26:33", "start_time": "26:31", "text": "That we didn't have anything to do with college." }, { "end_time": "26:34", "start_time": "26:33", "text": "It was like, we'll come." }, { "end_time": "26:35", "start_time": "26:34", "text": "We'll study." }, { "end_time": "26:35", "start_time": "26:35", "text": "We'll leave." }, { "end_time": "26:36", "start_time": "26:35", "text": "That's all." }, { "end_time": "26:40", "start_time": "26:36", "text": "We've never said anything negative to professors, but, that's what happens in engineering college." }, { "end_time": "26:51", "start_time": "26:40", "text": "We there's this one more instance, which was, like, basically the professor after the Viva, he picked out students based on, his overall relationship with them throughout the semester." }, { "end_time": "26:51", "start_time": "26:51", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "26:54", "start_time": "26:51", "text": "So if they weren't basically licking his ass Right." }, { "end_time": "26:54", "start_time": "26:54", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "26:54", "start_time": "26:54", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "26:55", "start_time": "26:54", "text": "You were in his bad books." }, { "end_time": "26:56", "start_time": "26:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:01", "start_time": "26:56", "text": "So he made 30 students stay back after the viva 2 days before the actual written exam starts." }, { "end_time": "27:01", "start_time": "27:01", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "27:02", "start_time": "27:01", "text": "2 days before." }, { "end_time": "27:02", "start_time": "27:02", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "27:09", "start_time": "27:04", "text": "2 whole days including the day before the exam, he made us stay in college from 7 in the morning till 11 at 8." }, { "end_time": "27:10", "start_time": "27:09", "text": "And write assignments?" }, { "end_time": "27:10", "start_time": "27:10", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "27:11", "start_time": "27:10", "text": "Just stay." }, { "end_time": "27:11", "start_time": "27:11", "text": "Just stay." }, { "end_time": "27:11", "start_time": "27:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:13", "start_time": "27:11", "text": "Like, nothing to do with the same thing." }, { "end_time": "27:14", "start_time": "27:13", "text": "You can't go home and work?" }, { "end_time": "27:14", "start_time": "27:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:15", "start_time": "27:14", "text": "There's no reason Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:15", "start_time": "27:15", "text": "But just stay." }, { "end_time": "27:15", "start_time": "27:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:37", "start_time": "27:15", "text": "So we were like, so please, we'll give you a Viva right now, but let is that you'll only end up teaching if you've not got your dream engineering job, and there's limited dream engineering jobs." }, { "end_time": "27:38", "start_time": "27:37", "text": "Impossible." }, { "end_time": "27:43", "start_time": "27:39", "text": "So a lot of them have that little, like, fire inside them." }, { "end_time": "27:43", "start_time": "27:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:44", "start_time": "27:44", "text": "Not not everyone." }, { "end_time": "27:45", "start_time": "27:44", "text": "We had some fan Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:52", "start_time": "27:45", "text": "We had some fantastic professors also who knew that how the college was about, but they taught you engineering the way it's supposed to be taught." }, { "end_time": "27:54", "start_time": "27:52", "text": "They taught you the logic of things." }, { "end_time": "27:58", "start_time": "27:54", "text": "They taught you how electricity actually works, you know, how mobiles actually work or whatever." }, { "end_time": "27:59", "start_time": "27:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:07", "start_time": "27:59", "text": "We are a bunch of professors who would actually take in and put in all the effort to teach us, like, the the basics and take us through all the diagrams and all of that." }, { "end_time": "28:13", "start_time": "28:07", "text": "Which is where the positive aspect of engineering kicks into play that, you are given that of how machines work." }, { "end_time": "28:20", "start_time": "28:13", "text": "So, basically, when I'm looking at a camera, I'm able to break down exactly, okay, what is the logic of how it's writing down the information Right." }, { "end_time": "28:22", "start_time": "28:21", "text": "That it's recording through us." }, { "end_time": "28:22", "start_time": "28:22", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "28:24", "start_time": "28:22", "text": "Now you might think that, Achabot, what's the use of that?" }, { "end_time": "28:25", "start_time": "28:24", "text": "Like, I'm not gonna make cameras." }, { "end_time": "28:28", "start_time": "28:25", "text": "What that does is it allows you to break down systems in your head." }, { "end_time": "28:29", "start_time": "28:28", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "28:30", "start_time": "28:29", "text": "Allows you to think critically." }, { "end_time": "28:30", "start_time": "28:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:32", "start_time": "28:30", "text": "And in a 3 d manner about all your problems." }, { "end_time": "28:33", "start_time": "28:32", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "28:41", "start_time": "28:33", "text": "Now when Biraj and me are doing business, to be honest, in office, we kind of it's slightly a Wolf of Wall Street vibe without the drugs and all that, obviously." }, { "end_time": "28:45", "start_time": "28:41", "text": "But it's that little fast paced vibe where after we crack a d or something, it's like a boom." }, { "end_time": "28:45", "start_time": "28:45", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "28:46", "start_time": "28:45", "text": "It's like a good vibe." }, { "end_time": "28:46", "start_time": "28:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:47", "start_time": "28:46", "text": "It's a good vibe." }, { "end_time": "28:50", "start_time": "28:47", "text": "But in order to have that speed, we need to think Very fast." }, { "end_time": "28:50", "start_time": "28:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:51", "start_time": "28:50", "text": "Problem solving very fast." }, { "end_time": "28:53", "start_time": "28:51", "text": "And that's come directly out of engineering college." }, { "end_time": "28:58", "start_time": "28:53", "text": "Being exposed to that one good teacher, being exposed to a lot of intelligent, kids Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:59", "start_time": "28:58", "text": "Who are on the same boat as you." }, { "end_time": "29:00", "start_time": "28:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:02", "start_time": "29:00", "text": "We used to think fast, who used to be on their toes." }, { "end_time": "29:03", "start_time": "29:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:05", "start_time": "29:03", "text": "And, like, multidimensional, not just like books." }, { "end_time": "29:05", "start_time": "29:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:18", "start_time": "29:05", "text": "I've realized this over the last year when we moved into an office and we're running this startup like a proper company, like a corporate office, leadership is learnt in engineering college because there you have to lead your own game plan." }, { "end_time": "29:19", "start_time": "29:18", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "29:20", "start_time": "29:19", "text": "You're by yourself." }, { "end_time": "29:20", "start_time": "29:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:23", "start_time": "29:20", "text": "If you don't basically, all of us used to leave our assignments till the end." }, { "end_time": "29:24", "start_time": "29:23", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "29:25", "start_time": "29:24", "text": "We used to leave all our studying till the end." }, { "end_time": "29:30", "start_time": "29:26", "text": "And kind of fixing those problems in a very short span of time Time." }, { "end_time": "29:30", "start_time": "29:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:32", "start_time": "29:30", "text": "Teaches you a lot of jugar Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:33", "start_time": "29:32", "text": "Lot of problem solving." }, { "end_time": "29:36", "start_time": "29:33", "text": "At the end of engineering calls, you'll be a slightly messed up, saddened human." }, { "end_time": "29:38", "start_time": "29:36", "text": "But But you will be an ace at these things." }, { "end_time": "29:39", "start_time": "29:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:41", "start_time": "29:39", "text": "You'll be solving problems and taking up deadlines and all of that." }, { "end_time": "29:42", "start_time": "29:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:45", "start_time": "29:42", "text": "I think 3rd year for me Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:48", "start_time": "29:45", "text": "Was where I kind of slowly started making peace with the situation." }, { "end_time": "29:50", "start_time": "29:48", "text": "And I also realized that hold on, bro." }, { "end_time": "29:52", "start_time": "29:51", "text": "I actually don't know what I'm gonna do in life." }, { "end_time": "29:53", "start_time": "29:52", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "29:56", "start_time": "29:53", "text": "And my overall aggregate, my overall percentage is too low." }, { "end_time": "29:56", "start_time": "29:56", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "29:58", "start_time": "29:56", "text": "So I better start starting a little bit." }, { "end_time": "29:58", "start_time": "29:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:58", "start_time": "29:58", "text": "Same." }, { "end_time": "30:04", "start_time": "29:58", "text": "That's when I picked up to I you I scored, like a 5.35 in one of my semesters, which is the lowest, like Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:08", "start_time": "30:04", "text": "I tell this to my friend and, like, bro, I've never heard anyone get that low." }, { "end_time": "30:08", "start_time": "30:08", "text": "Same for me." }, { "end_time": "30:09", "start_time": "30:08", "text": "It was 48%." }, { "end_time": "30:10", "start_time": "30:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:11", "start_time": "30:10", "text": "It was, like, barely anything." }, { "end_time": "30:13", "start_time": "30:11", "text": "And then I was like, dude, this is when I need to pick up." }, { "end_time": "30:13", "start_time": "30:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:14", "start_time": "30:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:16", "start_time": "30:14", "text": "So did you do you give your GRE or something of that sort?" }, { "end_time": "30:16", "start_time": "30:16", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "30:22", "start_time": "30:16", "text": "So, yeah, to give the non engineers context, now what starts happening in 3rd year is that you're 21 years old." }, { "end_time": "30:28", "start_time": "30:22", "text": "And, people start kind of getting very serious about their career post engineering college." }, { "end_time": "30:31", "start_time": "30:28", "text": "And this is also where the f starts again, like, the 11, 12 mentality." }, { "end_time": "30:33", "start_time": "30:32", "text": "Again." }, { "end_time": "30:36", "start_time": "30:33", "text": "Where people start judging you for not going for MBA classes." }, { "end_time": "30:36", "start_time": "30:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:38", "start_time": "30:36", "text": "Not going for GRE classes." }, { "end_time": "30:38", "start_time": "30:38", "text": "Classes." }, { "end_time": "30:41", "start_time": "30:38", "text": "Not going for, what's the third thing?" }, { "end_time": "30:42", "start_time": "30:41", "text": "For not preparing for a placement." }, { "end_time": "30:43", "start_time": "30:42", "text": "Tech or something, I think." }, { "end_time": "30:44", "start_time": "30:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:47", "start_time": "30:44", "text": "If you are someone who doesn't have a game plan, you'll look down on a lot." }, { "end_time": "30:47", "start_time": "30:47", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:53", "start_time": "30:47", "text": "And in retrospect, the one advice I have for people at that stage of life right now is that don't follow the rat race." }, { "end_time": "30:55", "start_time": "30:53", "text": "Don't get into things because everybody is doing it." }, { "end_time": "30:59", "start_time": "30:55", "text": "So there are people who are very sure they wanna settle down in the United States." }, { "end_time": "31:01", "start_time": "30:59", "text": "There are people who are very sure that they wanna do an MBN." }, { "end_time": "31:02", "start_time": "31:01", "text": "They want a stable corporate job." }, { "end_time": "31:05", "start_time": "31:02", "text": "There are people who are very sure they want to enter the Indian engineering space." }, { "end_time": "31:05", "start_time": "31:05", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "31:10", "start_time": "31:06", "text": "But if you are not sure of the three things, don't do those three things." }, { "end_time": "31:10", "start_time": "31:10", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "31:11", "start_time": "31:10", "text": "Just chill out." }, { "end_time": "31:11", "start_time": "31:11", "text": "Like, it's okay." }, { "end_time": "31:12", "start_time": "31:11", "text": "Take your time with it." }, { "end_time": "31:13", "start_time": "31:12", "text": "You're still in your 3rd year." }, { "end_time": "31:14", "start_time": "31:13", "text": "You will figure it out." }, { "end_time": "31:14", "start_time": "31:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:15", "start_time": "31:14", "text": "Go for internships." }, { "end_time": "31:23", "start_time": "31:15", "text": "That's where I actually that was, like, the highlight of my life in engineering college that, yeah, in my vacation, I utilized my time and actually went for internships." }, { "end_time": "31:26", "start_time": "31:23", "text": "You know, in in college, I think, Wolf of Wall Street are released around that time." }, { "end_time": "31:26", "start_time": "31:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:29", "start_time": "31:26", "text": "And I used to perceive that whole world as the world of finance." }, { "end_time": "31:35", "start_time": "31:29", "text": "So I told my, I told my teacher I'm taking a finance internship, and I interned at this company called Ernst and Young." }, { "end_time": "31:35", "start_time": "31:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:38", "start_time": "31:36", "text": "Didn't learn anything much about finance." }, { "end_time": "31:41", "start_time": "31:38", "text": "I learned corporate culture, and I realized, oh, shit." }, { "end_time": "31:42", "start_time": "31:41", "text": "Even this is not for me." }, { "end_time": "31:44", "start_time": "31:43", "text": "I thought, okay." }, { "end_time": "31:50", "start_time": "31:50", "text": "I thought, okay." }, { "end_time": "31:53", "start_time": "31:50", "text": "I thought that, but, it was not for me." }, { "end_time": "31:53", "start_time": "31:53", "text": "It out." }, { "end_time": "31:53", "start_time": "31:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:54", "start_time": "31:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:57", "start_time": "31:54", "text": "Because, those people are many of them are very happy in the job." }, { "end_time": "32:00", "start_time": "31:57", "text": "Many are unhappy, because what they've done is they've done engineering." }, { "end_time": "32:06", "start_time": "32:00", "text": "They've gone to IIM ABC, like the top IIMs, gotten this top job at, like, a financial company." }, { "end_time": "32:07", "start_time": "32:06", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "32:08", "start_time": "32:07", "text": "A finance company." }, { "end_time": "32:10", "start_time": "32:08", "text": "And, at the end of it, they're not happy." }, { "end_time": "32:11", "start_time": "32:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:12", "start_time": "32:11", "text": "Because from 9 What now?" }, { "end_time": "32:12", "start_time": "32:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:15", "start_time": "32:12", "text": "From 9 AM to 9 PM, they are in office." }, { "end_time": "32:15", "start_time": "32:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:16", "start_time": "32:15", "text": "It's like we don't have a life." }, { "end_time": "32:19", "start_time": "32:16", "text": "Struggle even now, what was all this noise about?" }, { "end_time": "32:23", "start_time": "32:19", "text": "Oh, your life will be solved after CED, after engineering, after IIM." }, { "end_time": "32:23", "start_time": "32:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:24", "start_time": "32:23", "text": "Why have I worked so hard?" }, { "end_time": "32:25", "start_time": "32:24", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "32:28", "start_time": "32:25", "text": "So, dude, even we work for like more than 12 hours a day." }, { "end_time": "32:31", "start_time": "32:28", "text": "But we are in an industry that we vibe hard." }, { "end_time": "32:31", "start_time": "32:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:32", "start_time": "32:31", "text": "It's it's true, man." }, { "end_time": "32:33", "start_time": "32:32", "text": "It's not about the hours that you're putting in." }, { "end_time": "32:44", "start_time": "32:33", "text": "It's like even if you're working wherever, like 24 hours hours a day for something that you like, you you will not mind it because you're not you're not like, oh, why do I, do this?" }, { "end_time": "32:45", "start_time": "32:44", "text": "Why am I here?" }, { "end_time": "32:45", "start_time": "32:45", "text": "It's chill." }, { "end_time": "32:47", "start_time": "32:45", "text": "Like, you wanna be in this space." }, { "end_time": "32:49", "start_time": "32:47", "text": "So that's that's alright." }, { "end_time": "32:53", "start_time": "32:49", "text": "But, you you did your internship at I interned at Reliance too." }, { "end_time": "32:54", "start_time": "32:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:58", "start_time": "32:54", "text": "My experience with Reliance was that, dude." }, { "end_time": "33:01", "start_time": "32:58", "text": "Like, I I interned in the petroleum segment of Reliance." }, { "end_time": "33:03", "start_time": "33:01", "text": "Contact through my internship." }, { "end_time": "33:05", "start_time": "33:03", "text": "I see normally for IITs." }, { "end_time": "33:11", "start_time": "33:07", "text": "So I went there for, for a certificate, all that I was directionless than keyword." }, { "end_time": "33:12", "start_time": "33:11", "text": "I, I didn't know what I wanted to do." }, { "end_time": "33:17", "start_time": "33:13", "text": "So it was a whatever experience I had to do some data entry and I had to do some calls and all that." }, { "end_time": "33:21", "start_time": "33:17", "text": "But most of the times, what I realized is people there were not actually working." }, { "end_time": "33:29", "start_time": "33:21", "text": "Like if you were doing a 9 to 7 job, you the only time and work you so happened was the initial, like, 2 hours." }, { "end_time": "33:38", "start_time": "33:30", "text": "You take your whatever chai break, lunch break, then you play a little bit on your phone, then you chitchat with your friends." }, { "end_time": "33:38", "start_time": "33:38", "text": "It's over." }, { "end_time": "33:39", "start_time": "33:38", "text": "The day is over." }, { "end_time": "33:40", "start_time": "33:39", "text": "It's 6 PM." }, { "end_time": "33:41", "start_time": "33:40", "text": "Now you're making a move." }, { "end_time": "33:43", "start_time": "33:41", "text": "The the bus has come." }, { "end_time": "33:44", "start_time": "33:43", "text": "You're you're going to your home." }, { "end_time": "33:45", "start_time": "33:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:47", "start_time": "33:45", "text": "That's what I see in a lot of corporate culture even now." }, { "end_time": "33:50", "start_time": "33:48", "text": "Even people at really high positions in corporate culture." }, { "end_time": "33:50", "start_time": "33:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:52", "start_time": "33:50", "text": "Their work tasks are very simple." }, { "end_time": "33:52", "start_time": "33:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:54", "start_time": "33:52", "text": "And they can actually finish them in, like, 2 hours Exactly." }, { "end_time": "33:55", "start_time": "33:54", "text": "But they stretch it out." }, { "end_time": "33:56", "start_time": "33:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:00", "start_time": "33:56", "text": "And that's the big difference I see in the young start up culture versus the old corporate culture." }, { "end_time": "34:08", "start_time": "34:00", "text": "This is not the case with all corporates, but this is a lot of corporates I've seen and who I've spoken to, where their work is actually pretty simple, but they only do the task that I've given to them." }, { "end_time": "34:09", "start_time": "34:08", "text": "Very minimal task." }, { "end_time": "34:10", "start_time": "34:09", "text": "They're very, like, straightforward." }, { "end_time": "34:10", "start_time": "34:10", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "34:12", "start_time": "34:10", "text": "I need to do these three things." }, { "end_time": "34:14", "start_time": "34:12", "text": "In a in an hour, that is, like, ten hours." }, { "end_time": "34:14", "start_time": "34:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:21", "start_time": "34:14", "text": "So one one take I have on corporate culture is that they've not gotten out of that engineering college mentality of, hey, there is assignment." }, { "end_time": "34:29", "start_time": "34:21", "text": "So, I think the crucial coming back to engineering college, the crucial turning point for us was 3rd, 4th year." }, { "end_time": "34:31", "start_time": "34:29", "text": "4th year was where shit got real." }, { "end_time": "34:31", "start_time": "34:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:34", "start_time": "34:31", "text": "And, again, I succumbed to pressure from herd mentality." }, { "end_time": "34:37", "start_time": "34:34", "text": "My whole class was going to MBA classes." }, { "end_time": "34:37", "start_time": "34:37", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "34:44", "start_time": "34:37", "text": "And I was like, dude, I don't I definitely don't wanna leave this country because I always had this thing of giving back to India since I was in engineering college." }, { "end_time": "34:44", "start_time": "34:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:46", "start_time": "34:44", "text": "And friends around me were like, you are in a high desh me." }, { "end_time": "34:47", "start_time": "34:46", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "34:49", "start_time": "34:47", "text": "They were, like, looking down in India." }, { "end_time": "34:49", "start_time": "34:49", "text": "And all that." }, { "end_time": "34:49", "start_time": "34:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:55", "start_time": "34:49", "text": "So a lot of people in engineering college only enter engineering college with that mentality of this is my outlet to leaving the country." }, { "end_time": "34:56", "start_time": "34:55", "text": "To to US." }, { "end_time": "34:56", "start_time": "34:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:00", "start_time": "34:56", "text": "I mean, that's the easiest way out, to be honest, because here, he's not that difficult." }, { "end_time": "35:01", "start_time": "35:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:02", "start_time": "35:01", "text": "And US is a lot of colleges." }, { "end_time": "35:03", "start_time": "35:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:04", "start_time": "35:03", "text": "There's so many colleges." }, { "end_time": "35:08", "start_time": "35:04", "text": "First of all, don't go to any college in the US, man." }, { "end_time": "35:09", "start_time": "35:08", "text": "You will wreck yourself up." }, { "end_time": "35:10", "start_time": "35:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:13", "start_time": "35:10", "text": "Don't go to any college colleges that are calling you." }, { "end_time": "35:21", "start_time": "35:16", "text": "So it's it's difficult to get a job in the USA according to, like, the current, scenarios there." }, { "end_time": "35:21", "start_time": "35:21", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:22", "start_time": "35:21", "text": "We'll come to that." }, { "end_time": "35:25", "start_time": "35:22", "text": "We'll come to post engineering college, what our friends are doing." }, { "end_time": "35:25", "start_time": "35:25", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "35:28", "start_time": "35:25", "text": "Right now, coming back to 3rd year, a lot of people are hustling for the GRE." }, { "end_time": "35:32", "start_time": "35:28", "text": "Even if they get average GRE scores, they go in with that thing." }, { "end_time": "35:33", "start_time": "35:32", "text": "I'll continue." }, { "end_time": "35:34", "start_time": "35:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:38", "start_time": "35:35", "text": "I'll I'll still take a polish because my goal is to get out of this country." }, { "end_time": "35:38", "start_time": "35:38", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "35:39", "start_time": "35:38", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "35:43", "start_time": "35:39", "text": "So, basically, people are very anti India in this phase." }, { "end_time": "35:45", "start_time": "35:43", "text": "And I always question that you don't know." }, { "end_time": "35:46", "start_time": "35:45", "text": "This is a growing economy." }, { "end_time": "35:48", "start_time": "35:46", "text": "It's a land of opportunities." }, { "end_time": "35:50", "start_time": "35:48", "text": "The start up world is growing so much." }, { "end_time": "35:53", "start_time": "35:50", "text": "Dude, I I think by the time you were in your 3rd year, you're 2 years younger than me Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:53", "start_time": "35:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:55", "start_time": "35:53", "text": "Things about the start up world changed." }, { "end_time": "35:58", "start_time": "35:55", "text": "Back when I was in 3rd year, people used to really look down on start ups." }, { "end_time": "35:58", "start_time": "35:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:59", "start_time": "35:58", "text": "Do your math while you're doing a start up." }, { "end_time": "36:00", "start_time": "35:59", "text": "What you learn?" }, { "end_time": "36:01", "start_time": "36:00", "text": "Everything is very bad." }, { "end_time": "36:01", "start_time": "36:01", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:03", "start_time": "36:02", "text": "Fast money Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:05", "start_time": "36:03", "text": "Because their parents have told them this." }, { "end_time": "36:06", "start_time": "36:05", "text": "And then they're echoing those thoughts." }, { "end_time": "36:07", "start_time": "36:06", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "36:09", "start_time": "36:07", "text": "I think both of us are slightly rebellious kids." }, { "end_time": "36:10", "start_time": "36:09", "text": "So even our parents have told us that, we were like, nay." }, { "end_time": "36:11", "start_time": "36:10", "text": "Maybe you don't know." }, { "end_time": "36:12", "start_time": "36:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:12", "start_time": "36:12", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "36:12", "start_time": "36:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:14", "start_time": "36:12", "text": "So and sometimes they actually don't." }, { "end_time": "36:17", "start_time": "36:14", "text": "They're actually just trying to be, to be fending for you." }, { "end_time": "36:19", "start_time": "36:17", "text": "They're like, okay, it's unstable." }, { "end_time": "36:20", "start_time": "36:19", "text": "Don't do it." }, { "end_time": "36:20", "start_time": "36:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:21", "start_time": "36:20", "text": "But they probably don't know that." }, { "end_time": "36:22", "start_time": "36:21", "text": "Maybe it's not." }, { "end_time": "36:22", "start_time": "36:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:23", "start_time": "36:22", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "36:23", "start_time": "36:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:24", "start_time": "36:23", "text": "It's just some of the few startups." }, { "end_time": "36:25", "start_time": "36:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:28", "start_time": "36:25", "text": "Radhakrishnan Pilla, mentor both Viraj and he had this beautiful saying." }, { "end_time": "36:35", "start_time": "36:28", "text": "He he said that, you know, a lot of people always look at big ideas and big plans and ask you, but like, if it doesn't happen, then what will you do?" }, { "end_time": "36:40", "start_time": "36:35", "text": "So your response to that should be So, like, what if it actually happens?" }, { "end_time": "36:40", "start_time": "36:40", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "36:42", "start_time": "36:40", "text": "So can you tell me what?" }, { "end_time": "36:46", "start_time": "36:42", "text": "So I think in 3rd, 4th year, I was I wanted to do what I wanted." }, { "end_time": "36:48", "start_time": "36:46", "text": "Was just sure I'm not gonna leave the country." }, { "end_time": "36:49", "start_time": "36:48", "text": "So GRE was out." }, { "end_time": "36:49", "start_time": "36:49", "text": "MS was out." }, { "end_time": "36:51", "start_time": "36:49", "text": "A lot of people looked down on me." }, { "end_time": "36:52", "start_time": "36:51", "text": "They're like, mad, what are you doing, dude?" }, { "end_time": "36:52", "start_time": "36:52", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "36:53", "start_time": "36:52", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "36:54", "start_time": "36:53", "text": "The next thing was, like, okay, dude." }, { "end_time": "37:01", "start_time": "36:54", "text": "I don't ideally want to do a job after engineering because the companies that come to every engineering college are TCS, Infosys Yeah." }, { "end_time": "37:04", "start_time": "37:01", "text": "Capgemini, Mu Sigma, which are all coding based jobs usually." }, { "end_time": "37:05", "start_time": "37:04", "text": "Good companies." }, { "end_time": "37:05", "start_time": "37:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "37:08", "start_time": "37:05", "text": "And and I didn't want to become a part of corporate culture at that point." }, { "end_time": "37:10", "start_time": "37:08", "text": "I still I I don't know." }, { "end_time": "37:13", "start_time": "37:10", "text": "But, at that point also, I was sure that I'd seen Ernst and Young." }, { "end_time": "37:15", "start_time": "37:13", "text": "I was like, I'm not gonna do that for even 2, 3 years." }, { "end_time": "37:16", "start_time": "37:15", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "37:17", "start_time": "37:16", "text": "I need to do something different." }, { "end_time": "37:18", "start_time": "37:17", "text": "But I was like, okay." }, { "end_time": "37:21", "start_time": "37:18", "text": "Let me just taste this whole MBA world." }, { "end_time": "37:21", "start_time": "37:21", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "37:21", "start_time": "37:21", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "37:22", "start_time": "37:21", "text": "So I went." }, { "end_time": "37:23", "start_time": "37:22", "text": "I started studying for CAT." }, { "end_time": "37:24", "start_time": "37:23", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "37:26", "start_time": "37:24", "text": "CAT studies are actually interesting." }, { "end_time": "37:26", "start_time": "37:26", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "37:27", "start_time": "37:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "37:28", "start_time": "37:27", "text": "Have you gone for CAT classes?" }, { "end_time": "37:29", "start_time": "37:28", "text": "I have given GRE." }, { "end_time": "37:29", "start_time": "37:29", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "37:30", "start_time": "37:29", "text": "So CAT is different from GRE." }, { "end_time": "37:31", "start_time": "37:30", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "37:32", "start_time": "37:31", "text": "GRE is also little logic based Yeah." }, { "end_time": "37:35", "start_time": "37:32", "text": "But CAT actually tests your logic." }, { "end_time": "37:38", "start_time": "37:35", "text": "It tests your English ability, but not your vocabulary." }, { "end_time": "37:38", "start_time": "37:38", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "37:40", "start_time": "37:38", "text": "It tests how well your mind can perceive reading." }, { "end_time": "37:41", "start_time": "37:40", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "37:43", "start_time": "37:41", "text": "It tests how how You can grasp suggestions." }, { "end_time": "37:45", "start_time": "37:43", "text": "How calmly you can think." }, { "end_time": "37:46", "start_time": "37:45", "text": "It's actually a very good exam." }, { "end_time": "37:47", "start_time": "37:46", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "37:51", "start_time": "37:47", "text": "And that's where I actually felt mentally stimulated for the first time since 10 standard." }, { "end_time": "37:52", "start_time": "37:51", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "37:52", "start_time": "37:52", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "37:53", "start_time": "37:52", "text": "I was like, okay." }, { "end_time": "37:54", "start_time": "37:53", "text": "This is not Retta." }, { "end_time": "37:54", "start_time": "37:54", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "37:56", "start_time": "37:54", "text": "You'll have to actually use my mind." }, { "end_time": "37:56", "start_time": "37:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "38:01", "start_time": "37:56", "text": "So I was pretty good compared to the rest of my class because I think they were trained in that hardcore Retta mentality." }, { "end_time": "38:04", "start_time": "38:02", "text": "So I just solved problems really fast." }, { "end_time": "38:04", "start_time": "38:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "38:04", "start_time": "38:04", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "38:10", "start_time": "38:05", "text": "But, I just felt like, again, I started reading a lot more." }, { "end_time": "38:12", "start_time": "38:10", "text": "What do you do once you get into an IIM?" }, { "end_time": "38:12", "start_time": "38:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "38:15", "start_time": "38:12", "text": "What do you do once you get into, like, a very big MBA college?" }, { "end_time": "38:15", "start_time": "38:15", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "38:19", "start_time": "38:15", "text": "And I was like, dude, I don't want to do finance because I know what that world is like, Bosa." }, { "end_time": "38:20", "start_time": "38:19", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "38:22", "start_time": "38:20", "text": "The other option becomes a marketing MBA." }, { "end_time": "38:22", "start_time": "38:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "38:22", "start_time": "38:22", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "38:30", "start_time": "38:23", "text": "And then I started reading about marketing MBAs, and I read that hold on the perception I had offered that, yeah, you'll be able to design advertisements." }, { "end_time": "38:32", "start_time": "38:30", "text": "Basically, what we're doing right now What we're doing right now." }, { "end_time": "38:32", "start_time": "38:32", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "38:35", "start_time": "38:32", "text": "I thought that you could do that after marketing MBA, but that's not the case." }, { "end_time": "38:36", "start_time": "38:35", "text": "But they give you sales job." }, { "end_time": "38:36", "start_time": "38:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "38:41", "start_time": "38:36", "text": "They give you a sales job where you have to basically Cold call people and say, buy a product." }, { "end_time": "38:45", "start_time": "38:41", "text": "And you have to live in, like, a very small part of India, very limited resources." }, { "end_time": "38:46", "start_time": "38:45", "text": "It's a very hardcore job, very intense." }, { "end_time": "38:49", "start_time": "38:46", "text": "It might pay you well, like, 40, 50 k a month." }, { "end_time": "38:49", "start_time": "38:49", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "38:53", "start_time": "38:49", "text": "But it's not gonna satisfy you intellectually." }, { "end_time": "38:55", "start_time": "38:53", "text": "It's like very mechanical works too." }, { "end_time": "39:00", "start_time": "38:55", "text": "It's like after all these studies, why am I just picking up the phone and doing, like, a cold call." }, { "end_time": "39:00", "start_time": "39:00", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "39:00", "start_time": "39:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "39:03", "start_time": "39:00", "text": "So I I just felt like, dude, you know, I'll I'm only gonna be young once." }, { "end_time": "39:05", "start_time": "39:03", "text": "I might as well utilize my mind better." }, { "end_time": "39:06", "start_time": "39:05", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "39:08", "start_time": "39:06", "text": "So I canceled out the MBA option also." }, { "end_time": "39:09", "start_time": "39:08", "text": "I I, again, I stopped going for those classes." }, { "end_time": "39:10", "start_time": "39:09", "text": "That's pretty daring, man." }, { "end_time": "39:12", "start_time": "39:10", "text": "Like, I didn't have the pulse to do that." }, { "end_time": "39:13", "start_time": "39:12", "text": "I gave my GRE." }, { "end_time": "39:14", "start_time": "39:13", "text": "I applied for jobs as well." }, { "end_time": "39:14", "start_time": "39:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "39:16", "start_time": "39:14", "text": "I didn't have a direction what I wanted to do." }, { "end_time": "39:18", "start_time": "39:16", "text": "I was also in the mentality." }, { "end_time": "39:18", "start_time": "39:18", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "39:19", "start_time": "39:18", "text": "I know I don't wanna do engineering." }, { "end_time": "39:21", "start_time": "39:19", "text": "I'm great with, like, management or something." }, { "end_time": "39:24", "start_time": "39:21", "text": "So I'll do an engineering management degree in the US." }, { "end_time": "39:24", "start_time": "39:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "39:24", "start_time": "39:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "39:25", "start_time": "39:24", "text": "So that's what I did." }, { "end_time": "39:26", "start_time": "39:25", "text": "Yeah, dude." }, { "end_time": "39:29", "start_time": "39:27", "text": "I've met MBAs of all kinds." }, { "end_time": "39:29", "start_time": "39:29", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "39:31", "start_time": "39:29", "text": "And I have I respect some of them, like, intensely." }, { "end_time": "39:34", "start_time": "39:31", "text": "It's not easy to crack CAT at all." }, { "end_time": "39:34", "start_time": "39:34", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "39:37", "start_time": "39:34", "text": "It's really difficult to have, like, a stable GPA score Yeah." }, { "end_time": "39:39", "start_time": "39:37", "text": "Score or really good in CAT." }, { "end_time": "39:42", "start_time": "39:39", "text": "Plus the whole general male quota is, like, really reg." }, { "end_time": "39:42", "start_time": "39:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "39:44", "start_time": "39:42", "text": "So whoever gets through, like, respect." }, { "end_time": "39:46", "start_time": "39:44", "text": "It's it's not an easy exam to crack." }, { "end_time": "39:49", "start_time": "39:46", "text": "MBA is not a a good MBA college is not easy to get into." }, { "end_time": "39:49", "start_time": "39:49", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "39:53", "start_time": "39:49", "text": "But the problem is that there's a lot of other MBA colleges also, just like engineering." }, { "end_time": "39:57", "start_time": "39:53", "text": "Like, if you get into IIT and all, you'll actually learn engineering in some aspects and all." }, { "end_time": "39:57", "start_time": "39:57", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "40:04", "start_time": "39:57", "text": "With MBA schools, our reading of it as professionals today is kind of the same where when we talk to majority of MBAs, there's a lot of problems." }, { "end_time": "40:07", "start_time": "40:04", "text": "Again, they're taught to think in boxes." }, { "end_time": "40:08", "start_time": "40:07", "text": "See, the world works like this." }, { "end_time": "40:11", "start_time": "40:08", "text": "You need to get up in the morning and read the newspaper every day." }, { "end_time": "40:13", "start_time": "40:11", "text": "You need to go to your job on time." }, { "end_time": "40:15", "start_time": "40:13", "text": "You need to do the task given to." }, { "end_time": "40:21", "start_time": "40:15", "text": "MBA does create a lot of leaders, but in most MBA colleges in India, we actually definitely see a lack of leadership." }, { "end_time": "40:22", "start_time": "40:21", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "40:22", "start_time": "40:22", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "40:24", "start_time": "40:22", "text": "People who think in boxes, people who are institutionalized." }, { "end_time": "40:28", "start_time": "40:24", "text": "They worship their own company, but they can't think of ideas themselves." }, { "end_time": "40:28", "start_time": "40:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "40:31", "start_time": "40:28", "text": "So even when the company's is probably not doing things morally right." }, { "end_time": "40:31", "start_time": "40:31", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "40:32", "start_time": "40:31", "text": "They're like, no." }, { "end_time": "40:34", "start_time": "40:32", "text": "This is still the best product for your health." }, { "end_time": "40:35", "start_time": "40:34", "text": "Take it." }, { "end_time": "40:37", "start_time": "40:35", "text": "Even if it's a junk food company." }, { "end_time": "40:39", "start_time": "40:37", "text": "The home remedies are all our product is the best." }, { "end_time": "40:40", "start_time": "40:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "40:43", "start_time": "40:40", "text": "So that and that's the version of MBAs that you were not taught in engineering college." }, { "end_time": "40:47", "start_time": "40:43", "text": "In engineering college, while you're studying CAT, you're told that they go to IIM A or IIM A." }, { "end_time": "40:51", "start_time": "40:47", "text": "So you study for IIM A not understanding that IIM A is not easy to get." }, { "end_time": "40:52", "start_time": "40:51", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "41:01", "start_time": "40:52", "text": "Like, there is you're competing with the rest of the country, people in your batch and people 5 batches above you who have not taken other MBA colleges because they're targeting IIM." }, { "end_time": "41:06", "start_time": "41:01", "text": "And you're competing against people who are not doing engineering and whoever actually a better chance of getting into that college." }, { "end_time": "41:12", "start_time": "41:07", "text": "So, again, I I kind of think this mentality that that's when I realized I'd hold on." }, { "end_time": "41:17", "start_time": "41:13", "text": "11, 12, I gave into my herd mentality of doing engineering college, and I've suffered for 3 years of my life." }, { "end_time": "41:18", "start_time": "41:17", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "41:20", "start_time": "41:18", "text": "I'm not gonna suffer for, like Got it." }, { "end_time": "41:21", "start_time": "41:20", "text": "2, 3 more years." }, { "end_time": "41:21", "start_time": "41:21", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "41:23", "start_time": "41:21", "text": "So I was like, I'm not gonna do these MBA classes." }, { "end_time": "41:23", "start_time": "41:23", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "41:26", "start_time": "41:23", "text": "These 4 years are my last moments to chill." }, { "end_time": "41:27", "start_time": "41:26", "text": "That time was 4th year." }, { "end_time": "41:29", "start_time": "41:27", "text": "I was like, this year is my last moment to chill." }, { "end_time": "41:31", "start_time": "41:29", "text": "I became a more hardcore party boy." }, { "end_time": "41:32", "start_time": "41:31", "text": "But I was like, no." }, { "end_time": "41:33", "start_time": "41:32", "text": "I'll do some development." }, { "end_time": "41:38", "start_time": "41:33", "text": "And I didn't realize it then, but I look back at it now and I realize it now." }, { "end_time": "41:40", "start_time": "41:38", "text": "I went and did a fitness certification." }, { "end_time": "41:40", "start_time": "41:40", "text": "Oh, yeah." }, { "end_time": "41:43", "start_time": "41:40", "text": "That was really important for this whole part." }, { "end_time": "41:43", "start_time": "41:43", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "41:45", "start_time": "41:43", "text": "And you know what else I did?" }, { "end_time": "41:46", "start_time": "41:45", "text": "I started cooking." }, { "end_time": "41:47", "start_time": "41:46", "text": "Oh." }, { "end_time": "41:48", "start_time": "41:47", "text": "And BL YSES That was important." }, { "end_time": "41:48", "start_time": "41:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "41:51", "start_time": "41:48", "text": "And and I didn't know that it helped me, but those are skills I learned." }, { "end_time": "41:52", "start_time": "41:51", "text": "Those are real life skills." }, { "end_time": "41:52", "start_time": "41:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "41:55", "start_time": "41:53", "text": "My BYServe YouTube channel started as a fitness and cooking channel." }, { "end_time": "41:56", "start_time": "41:55", "text": "Cooking channel." }, { "end_time": "42:01", "start_time": "41:56", "text": "Because I had I was a certified professional trainer, and I was a great cook." }, { "end_time": "42:04", "start_time": "42:01", "text": "And I should just put out, like, my recipes and my fitness stuff on YouTube." }, { "end_time": "42:05", "start_time": "42:04", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "42:07", "start_time": "42:05", "text": "And that's given me my career today." }, { "end_time": "42:09", "start_time": "42:07", "text": "Dropping out of, like See, exactly." }, { "end_time": "42:14", "start_time": "42:09", "text": "That's when it comes to, right, the college, the curriculum is not gonna teach you these things." }, { "end_time": "42:15", "start_time": "42:14", "text": "You need to pick up those skill sets." }, { "end_time": "42:16", "start_time": "42:15", "text": "Know that consciously, this is what I wanna learn outside of my college curriculum." }, { "end_time": "42:19", "start_time": "42:16", "text": "And consciously, this is what I wanna learn outside of my college curriculum and approach it." }, { "end_time": "42:19", "start_time": "42:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:20", "start_time": "42:19", "text": "Learn those skills." }, { "end_time": "42:21", "start_time": "42:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:22", "start_time": "42:21", "text": "That's that's what I did." }, { "end_time": "42:26", "start_time": "42:22", "text": "I did a bunch of like internships in the marketing space, digital media space, just to experiment and see if this is my calling." }, { "end_time": "42:32", "start_time": "42:26", "text": "And I just went with it." }, { "end_time": "42:33", "start_time": "42:32", "text": "It works." }, { "end_time": "42:34", "start_time": "42:33", "text": "Go do it." }, { "end_time": "42:38", "start_time": "42:34", "text": "If you're a Mumbai University University student, you won't get the time to do it." }, { "end_time": "42:40", "start_time": "42:38", "text": "But bunk those college lectures." }, { "end_time": "42:42", "start_time": "42:40", "text": "They are really not important." }, { "end_time": "42:42", "start_time": "42:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:49", "start_time": "42:42", "text": "I mean, figure out your tendency because college people will really screw you if, like, you know, you don't match up to your attendance level." }, { "end_time": "42:52", "start_time": "42:49", "text": "But, goddamn, you have to learn skills, man." }, { "end_time": "42:56", "start_time": "42:52", "text": "Don't get into that jamayla of, oh, I definitely wanna go to the US because my friends are going." }, { "end_time": "42:58", "start_time": "42:56", "text": "I definitely wanna go for MBA because my friends are going." }, { "end_time": "43:02", "start_time": "42:58", "text": "I was the only kid in my entire batch who didn't sit for a single job placement because I knew what jobs are Yeah." }, { "end_time": "43:03", "start_time": "43:02", "text": "That's true." }, { "end_time": "43:05", "start_time": "43:03", "text": "Going to be offered because I had that internship." }, { "end_time": "43:06", "start_time": "43:05", "text": "I had perspective." }, { "end_time": "43:09", "start_time": "43:07", "text": "People looked down on me so much." }, { "end_time": "43:10", "start_time": "43:09", "text": "I tried, like, getting on Katie again." }, { "end_time": "43:10", "start_time": "43:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "43:12", "start_time": "43:10", "text": "People were like, are you crazy, dude?" }, { "end_time": "43:13", "start_time": "43:12", "text": "Like, what are you doing?" }, { "end_time": "43:15", "start_time": "43:13", "text": "I think 50% over the Yeah." }, { "end_time": "43:19", "start_time": "43:15", "text": "I had, like, a very close mind telling me that, bro, you're definitely making the wrong move." }, { "end_time": "43:20", "start_time": "43:19", "text": "I don't know what you're thinking right now." }, { "end_time": "43:21", "start_time": "43:20", "text": "You're not thinking straight." }, { "end_time": "43:23", "start_time": "43:21", "text": "Get out of your whole gym mentality." }, { "end_time": "43:24", "start_time": "43:23", "text": "Get out of your drinking mentality." }, { "end_time": "43:27", "start_time": "43:25", "text": "And I was like, dude, I think I know what I'm doing." }, { "end_time": "43:28", "start_time": "43:27", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "43:28", "start_time": "43:28", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "43:29", "start_time": "43:28", "text": "I'm a little scared for you." }, { "end_time": "43:32", "start_time": "43:29", "text": "And that same person today is extremely unhappy." }, { "end_time": "43:33", "start_time": "43:32", "text": "He left his job." }, { "end_time": "43:34", "start_time": "43:33", "text": "Job over." }, { "end_time": "43:34", "start_time": "43:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "43:38", "start_time": "43:34", "text": "Left his job, like, you know, so, anyway, my point is learn skills, man." }, { "end_time": "43:40", "start_time": "43:38", "text": "That's what's gonna pay off in life." }, { "end_time": "43:49", "start_time": "43:41", "text": "Again, if you're sure about getting a job after engineering, if you're sure about MBA, if you're sure about MS, okay, if you've done your research, you have a relative whose life you've seen, you're like, okay." }, { "end_time": "43:50", "start_time": "43:49", "text": "I want that kind of life." }, { "end_time": "43:54", "start_time": "43:50", "text": "Go for Do do, like, the regular You know what I'm like, we are not against it, of course." }, { "end_time": "43:58", "start_time": "43:54", "text": "Like, MS is a great opportunity for people who are actually into core engineering." }, { "end_time": "44:01", "start_time": "43:59", "text": "US is the place to be, man, to be honest." }, { "end_time": "44:07", "start_time": "44:01", "text": "So, again, this is just our perspective with 2 guys who've where it's worked out for us." }, { "end_time": "44:11", "start_time": "44:07", "text": "We've been really relentless in our careers in terms of even we've seen a lot of failures." }, { "end_time": "44:11", "start_time": "44:11", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "44:14", "start_time": "44:11", "text": "But we've kept going because this is all we had." }, { "end_time": "44:15", "start_time": "44:14", "text": "We couldn't turn to MBA, MS." }, { "end_time": "44:17", "start_time": "44:16", "text": "Like, you know, our back was against the wall." }, { "end_time": "44:18", "start_time": "44:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "44:21", "start_time": "44:18", "text": "My biggest motivation for myself was like, bro, my cat." }, { "end_time": "44:22", "start_time": "44:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "44:23", "start_time": "44:22", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "44:26", "start_time": "44:23", "text": "I don't wanna go to the US because I can't do core engineering." }, { "end_time": "44:31", "start_time": "44:27", "text": "And if I'm doing a job otherwise, then I don't know how I'll start, man." }, { "end_time": "44:31", "start_time": "44:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "44:34", "start_time": "44:31", "text": "Kudos to our parents who allowed us to do this for some time." }, { "end_time": "44:34", "start_time": "44:34", "text": "That's off to them." }, { "end_time": "44:39", "start_time": "44:34", "text": "That's one kind of battle that you guys will have to fight if you're sure y'all don't want to do the traditional things." }, { "end_time": "44:41", "start_time": "44:39", "text": "Explain your game plan to your parents." }, { "end_time": "44:46", "start_time": "44:42", "text": "We will not be on board the right moment, the first moment, but you'll have to build towards it." }, { "end_time": "44:50", "start_time": "44:46", "text": "You'll have to show there's some cash flow coming into through this business." }, { "end_time": "44:55", "start_time": "44:50", "text": "Only then will they be satisfied that, okay, maybe this is the right path for my kid." }, { "end_time": "44:56", "start_time": "44:55", "text": "I'll wait for it for a year." }, { "end_time": "45:03", "start_time": "44:56", "text": "And if you can afford it, okay, if your family is financially alright, take a year where maybe you can't earn anything." }, { "end_time": "45:04", "start_time": "45:03", "text": "Assume." }, { "end_time": "45:05", "start_time": "45:04", "text": "Don't go in with that mentality." }, { "end_time": "45:09", "start_time": "45:06", "text": "Don't go to find yourself in the hills for, like, a year Yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:10", "start_time": "45:09", "text": "Do something about it." }, { "end_time": "45:10", "start_time": "45:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:11", "start_time": "45:10", "text": "Do something in your life." }, { "end_time": "45:14", "start_time": "45:11", "text": "And, you know, if you're living in India, there's a lot of opportunities to make money." }, { "end_time": "45:14", "start_time": "45:14", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "45:16", "start_time": "45:14", "text": "You can sit at home, become a digital marketer, make money." }, { "end_time": "45:18", "start_time": "45:16", "text": "You have to just go out looking." }, { "end_time": "45:19", "start_time": "45:18", "text": "You have to talk to a lot of intelligent people." }, { "end_time": "45:20", "start_time": "45:19", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "45:24", "start_time": "45:20", "text": "In my first year of I mean, when I in my first year of, like, real life Right." }, { "end_time": "45:26", "start_time": "45:25", "text": "2 great decisions I made." }, { "end_time": "45:35", "start_time": "45:26", "text": "1 was I was unemployed, and I went to my mama's factory, like, my uncle's factory, and I just observed how, like, the real world works." }, { "end_time": "45:36", "start_time": "45:35", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "45:37", "start_time": "45:36", "text": "Non college world works." }, { "end_time": "45:40", "start_time": "45:37", "text": "Like, assignments, all that is not a thing." }, { "end_time": "45:40", "start_time": "45:40", "text": "A thing." }, { "end_time": "45:41", "start_time": "45:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:47", "start_time": "45:41", "text": "Very difficult phase for any 22 year old because you're switching from the mentality of education to real world and money and all that." }, { "end_time": "45:54", "start_time": "45:47", "text": "I remember my mama was also against this decision of not going along the conventional parts because he's from a generation that used to go along conventional parts." }, { "end_time": "45:57", "start_time": "45:54", "text": "So, dude, he so narrowed me a lot like that time." }, { "end_time": "45:59", "start_time": "45:57", "text": "He was like, dude, you're making a huge mistake this time." }, { "end_time": "46:01", "start_time": "45:59", "text": "And I remember weeping in front of him." }, { "end_time": "46:03", "start_time": "46:01", "text": "Like, this big buff power lifter backpack there." }, { "end_time": "46:04", "start_time": "46:03", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "46:05", "start_time": "46:04", "text": "I'm, like, weeping in front of my mama." }, { "end_time": "46:06", "start_time": "46:05", "text": "Like, oh, god, dude." }, { "end_time": "46:08", "start_time": "46:06", "text": "I I literally can't do those other three things." }, { "end_time": "46:08", "start_time": "46:08", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:08", "start_time": "46:08", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "46:11", "start_time": "46:09", "text": "And he was in his mentality of his generation that, no, dude." }, { "end_time": "46:12", "start_time": "46:11", "text": "You have to." }, { "end_time": "46:13", "start_time": "46:12", "text": "Otherwise, your whole career will be screwed." }, { "end_time": "46:15", "start_time": "46:13", "text": "He probably seen people around him screw up their careers Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:16", "start_time": "46:15", "text": "That's true." }, { "end_time": "46:17", "start_time": "46:16", "text": "But times have changed." }, { "end_time": "46:18", "start_time": "46:17", "text": "Yeah, man." }, { "end_time": "46:22", "start_time": "46:18", "text": "So the closing notes on this engineering podcast are that develop your skills in college." }, { "end_time": "46:24", "start_time": "46:22", "text": "A lot of people think going for FES being on your FESC committee is like a skill." }, { "end_time": "46:25", "start_time": "46:24", "text": "It is a skill in some cases." }, { "end_time": "46:25", "start_time": "46:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:28", "start_time": "46:25", "text": "But don't think that it's gonna add to your CV." }, { "end_time": "46:29", "start_time": "46:28", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "46:30", "start_time": "46:29", "text": "Like, don't go go in it that way." }, { "end_time": "46:33", "start_time": "46:30", "text": "You learn Jugard." }, { "end_time": "46:35", "start_time": "46:33", "text": "You learn, like, last minute situations." }, { "end_time": "46:39", "start_time": "46:35", "text": "How to deal with how to, you know, speak to a celebrity, how to manage things and all of that." }, { "end_time": "46:40", "start_time": "46:39", "text": "It's important." }, { "end_time": "46:41", "start_time": "46:40", "text": "Do it if you can." }, { "end_time": "46:44", "start_time": "46:43", "text": "But do internships." }, { "end_time": "46:45", "start_time": "46:44", "text": "That's like Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:46", "start_time": "46:45", "text": "Like, we couldn't stress more." }, { "end_time": "46:48", "start_time": "46:46", "text": "Internships are where it's at in engineering college." }, { "end_time": "46:51", "start_time": "46:49", "text": "You know, also professors." }, { "end_time": "46:52", "start_time": "46:51", "text": "Keep them in your good books." }, { "end_time": "46:52", "start_time": "46:52", "text": "Oh, yes." }, { "end_time": "46:52", "start_time": "46:52", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "46:53", "start_time": "46:52", "text": "Very important." }, { "end_time": "46:59", "start_time": "46:53", "text": "Nothing wrong in, like, Keep your ego to the side because these guys will take you through those 4 years in your life." }, { "end_time": "47:00", "start_time": "46:59", "text": "So just keep a good relation with them." }, { "end_time": "47:02", "start_time": "47:01", "text": "If you can, definitely try passing." }, { "end_time": "47:03", "start_time": "47:02", "text": "Don't go through that Katie situation." }, { "end_time": "47:04", "start_time": "47:03", "text": "It might hurt the your family." }, { "end_time": "47:04", "start_time": "47:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:07", "start_time": "47:04", "text": "You know, people that are out of your day more well." }, { "end_time": "47:08", "start_time": "47:08", "text": "More than yourself." }, { "end_time": "47:08", "start_time": "47:08", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:21", "start_time": "47:09", "text": "And just know that irrespective of what people tell you while you're in college, your real career starts after, you know, you turn 22 after you graduate irrespective of the marks you got." }, { "end_time": "47:25", "start_time": "47:21", "text": "So even if you actually graduated with just, you know, just passing marks, you're starting from 0." }, { "end_time": "47:27", "start_time": "47:25", "text": "You're not starting from those marks." }, { "end_time": "47:27", "start_time": "47:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:31", "start_time": "47:27", "text": "I mean, try to have good grades if it's, like, possible logistically for you guys." }, { "end_time": "47:36", "start_time": "47:31", "text": "But even if you don't, it's fine because it's not like you're learning anything that you're actually gonna implement in real life." }, { "end_time": "47:39", "start_time": "47:36", "text": "We've learned about shit things that are not even relevant anymore." }, { "end_time": "47:39", "start_time": "47:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:46", "start_time": "47:40", "text": "Coming to that whole topic of, engineering based jobs, MBA, MS, let's tackle one situation at a time." }, { "end_time": "47:50", "start_time": "47:46", "text": "Engineering based jobs, go through the job profile really well before applying." }, { "end_time": "47:51", "start_time": "47:50", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "47:52", "start_time": "47:51", "text": "Understand what you're gonna be doing." }, { "end_time": "47:55", "start_time": "47:52", "text": "If you are interested in coding, then take up a coding job." }, { "end_time": "47:55", "start_time": "47:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:58", "start_time": "47:55", "text": "Don't just be like, oh, I don't know what the name will ring." }, { "end_time": "47:59", "start_time": "47:58", "text": "I'll be a data analyst." }, { "end_time": "48:02", "start_time": "47:59", "text": "But do you know what the data analyst profile requires you to do?" }, { "end_time": "48:02", "start_time": "48:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:04", "start_time": "48:02", "text": "Like, what languages are you gonna learn?" }, { "end_time": "48:06", "start_time": "48:04", "text": "What profile are you going to take up?" }, { "end_time": "48:07", "start_time": "48:06", "text": "What is your actual job?" }, { "end_time": "48:09", "start_time": "48:07", "text": "Like, look at it very, like, properly." }, { "end_time": "48:10", "start_time": "48:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:13", "start_time": "48:10", "text": "Neil Katanavare from Munk Entertainment is actually my age." }, { "end_time": "48:13", "start_time": "48:13", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "48:15", "start_time": "48:13", "text": "He, got 2 ear drops." }, { "end_time": "48:15", "start_time": "48:15", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "48:17", "start_time": "48:15", "text": "So he graduated at the same time as you." }, { "end_time": "48:17", "start_time": "48:17", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "48:18", "start_time": "48:17", "text": "But he's my age." }, { "end_time": "48:20", "start_time": "48:19", "text": "And, his Doesn't matter." }, { "end_time": "48:20", "start_time": "48:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:27", "start_time": "48:20", "text": "He got a job at Munga Entertainment because he showed us like, when he gave us interview, he was just very energetic and very enthusiastic and very intelligent." }, { "end_time": "48:30", "start_time": "48:27", "text": "He, in fact, DM'd me on, like, 5 platforms." }, { "end_time": "48:32", "start_time": "48:30", "text": "He messaged me on Facebook, man." }, { "end_time": "48:35", "start_time": "48:32", "text": "Like, if you are resilient enough to do that, you would really want the job." }, { "end_time": "48:40", "start_time": "48:35", "text": "So, you know, he didn't go for a regular engineering job because, actually, he couldn't get to hunt because of his 2 ear drops." }, { "end_time": "48:41", "start_time": "48:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:43", "start_time": "48:41", "text": "But he's one of our stars at Mankad treatment today." }, { "end_time": "48:47", "start_time": "48:43", "text": "It's about how you take your life after the whole engineering thing." }, { "end_time": "48:49", "start_time": "48:47", "text": "And a lot of the best jobs, according to me, actually don't visit colleges." }, { "end_time": "48:49", "start_time": "48:49", "text": "So you have to go out looking." }, { "end_time": "48:51", "start_time": "48:49", "text": "Don't think that's don't visit colleges." }, { "end_time": "48:52", "start_time": "48:51", "text": "So you have to go out looking." }, { "end_time": "48:55", "start_time": "48:52", "text": "Don't think that only, you know, the peep the companies that are coming for placements are the best jobs out there." }, { "end_time": "48:57", "start_time": "48:55", "text": "You'll find your dream job when you apply yourself from the outside." }, { "end_time": "48:59", "start_time": "48:57", "text": "So go on, like, nawki.com." }, { "end_time": "49:01", "start_time": "49:00", "text": "You know, talk to your friends." }, { "end_time": "49:02", "start_time": "49:01", "text": "Try utilize your friends as well." }, { "end_time": "49:10", "start_time": "49:02", "text": "And references, they really work because those guys know they've been in the circle for a while." }, { "end_time": "49:12", "start_time": "49:10", "text": "They know where the right jobs are at." }, { "end_time": "49:15", "start_time": "49:12", "text": "The digital scene in India, the start up scene in India is popping." }, { "end_time": "49:17", "start_time": "49:15", "text": "There are great jobs out there." }, { "end_time": "49:18", "start_time": "49:17", "text": "Kind of go out looking." }, { "end_time": "49:18", "start_time": "49:18", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "49:22", "start_time": "49:18", "text": "Don't just stick to engineering based jobs thinking that, yeah, I'll get my own placement." }, { "end_time": "49:23", "start_time": "49:22", "text": "I won't get a job." }, { "end_time": "49:24", "start_time": "49:23", "text": "Don't think like that." }, { "end_time": "49:25", "start_time": "49:25", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "49:26", "start_time": "49:25", "text": "So that's the case with jobs." }, { "end_time": "49:27", "start_time": "49:26", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "49:32", "start_time": "49:27", "text": "Case with MBAs is that, ask yourself, from now, do you wanna do a marketing MBA?" }, { "end_time": "49:34", "start_time": "49:32", "text": "Do you wanna do a finance MBA?" }, { "end_time": "49:35", "start_time": "49:34", "text": "Understand your specialization." }, { "end_time": "49:38", "start_time": "49:35", "text": "There's more even to it than marketing, finance, or whatever." }, { "end_time": "49:38", "start_time": "49:38", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "49:40", "start_time": "49:38", "text": "So so pick your specialization." }, { "end_time": "49:45", "start_time": "49:40", "text": "Understand that maybe 2 years after I've done this course and specialization, I will do these things." }, { "end_time": "49:45", "start_time": "49:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:50", "start_time": "49:45", "text": "If you're doing a communications MBA, know that you wanna be a brand manager at some company Yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:53", "start_time": "49:50", "text": "So that you can improve the branding of that specific company." }, { "end_time": "49:54", "start_time": "49:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:58", "start_time": "49:54", "text": "My, understanding and learning from seeing my friends who've done MBAs right after college Right." }, { "end_time": "50:00", "start_time": "49:59", "text": "Is that you shouldn't do it right after college." }, { "end_time": "50:02", "start_time": "50:00", "text": "You should you should taste the professional world." }, { "end_time": "50:07", "start_time": "50:03", "text": "Also, if you're keen on doing a finance MBA, do a finance internship like that Onsen Young thing I did." }, { "end_time": "50:08", "start_time": "50:07", "text": "It is built for some people." }, { "end_time": "50:09", "start_time": "50:08", "text": "It's not built for some people." }, { "end_time": "50:09", "start_time": "50:09", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "50:16", "start_time": "50:09", "text": "In terms of marketing, new age marketing is digital, and you're gonna learn much more by working in a digital marketing start than you'll learn from." }, { "end_time": "50:19", "start_time": "50:16", "text": "And in fact, it'll actually harm you if you study marketing in MBA college." }, { "end_time": "50:20", "start_time": "50:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "50:24", "start_time": "50:20", "text": "Because they have their own specific ways of thinking, and they probably don't know what's actually happening on ground." }, { "end_time": "50:30", "start_time": "50:24", "text": "They will give you case studies, but they'll give you case studies of the biggest companies, and that's not like an average you can take." }, { "end_time": "50:33", "start_time": "50:30", "text": "Also, the courses are kind of outdated now." }, { "end_time": "50:35", "start_time": "50:33", "text": "In the last 3, 4 years, they become outdated because of digital." }, { "end_time": "50:35", "start_time": "50:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "50:38", "start_time": "50:35", "text": "And in, you know, digital marketing is not really taught in MBA college." }, { "end_time": "50:39", "start_time": "50:38", "text": "It's the way it should be taught." }, { "end_time": "50:40", "start_time": "50:39", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "50:41", "start_time": "50:40", "text": "We are hardcore marketers." }, { "end_time": "50:41", "start_time": "50:41", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "50:46", "start_time": "50:41", "text": "Now, like, I mean, our job is we are we are probably in the in the middle of the marketing industry of of the world." }, { "end_time": "50:47", "start_time": "50:46", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "50:48", "start_time": "50:47", "text": "And we learn on the job." }, { "end_time": "50:52", "start_time": "50:48", "text": "And it's see, marketing is also one of those things where it comes to some people and it doesn't." }, { "end_time": "50:55", "start_time": "50:52", "text": "If you're a very outgoing person, you know, if you can think of starting very easily." }, { "end_time": "50:56", "start_time": "50:55", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "50:58", "start_time": "50:56", "text": "Like, you you need to know that this product Yeah." }, { "end_time": "50:59", "start_time": "50:58", "text": "This year." }, { "end_time": "51:00", "start_time": "50:59", "text": "And this is how it'll work." }, { "end_time": "51:02", "start_time": "51:00", "text": "Maybe through this platform is how we can promote it." }, { "end_time": "51:03", "start_time": "51:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "51:04", "start_time": "51:03", "text": "It's very like you need to be on the job." }, { "end_time": "51:06", "start_time": "51:04", "text": "You guys are on your phones all the time." }, { "end_time": "51:08", "start_time": "51:06", "text": "Marketing today is happening through social media platforms." }, { "end_time": "51:09", "start_time": "51:08", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "51:10", "start_time": "51:09", "text": "It's not difficult to grab it." }, { "end_time": "51:13", "start_time": "51:10", "text": "You just need to keep your eyes and ears open." }, { "end_time": "51:17", "start_time": "51:13", "text": "So if you think you can do social media well, that means you'll probably be a great marketer." }, { "end_time": "51:17", "start_time": "51:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "51:22", "start_time": "51:18", "text": "So again, MBA, think about it a lot before just jumping on to that ship." }, { "end_time": "51:25", "start_time": "51:22", "text": "Do a job, understand how the professional world works." }, { "end_time": "51:25", "start_time": "51:25", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "51:29", "start_time": "51:25", "text": "If you can afford it, consider doing an a finance MBA abroad." }, { "end_time": "51:30", "start_time": "51:29", "text": "You'll gain more skills there." }, { "end_time": "51:35", "start_time": "51:30", "text": "If you want to settle abroad and you don't wanna do the engineering side of things, try going for an MBA abroad." }, { "end_time": "51:37", "start_time": "51:35", "text": "But in order to do that, you need to work for 4, 5 years." }, { "end_time": "51:39", "start_time": "51:37", "text": "You might even get Stanford, Howard, the best course." }, { "end_time": "51:40", "start_time": "51:39", "text": "Definitely." }, { "end_time": "51:45", "start_time": "51:40", "text": "And you can apply your skills much better when you have, like, 2, 3 years of job experience and then you go for an MBA." }, { "end_time": "51:46", "start_time": "51:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "51:50", "start_time": "51:46", "text": "And the final option that people go for is MS." }, { "end_time": "51:50", "start_time": "51:50", "text": "MS." }, { "end_time": "51:55", "start_time": "51:50", "text": "Again, it is for you if you are genuinely interested in the world of engineering." }, { "end_time": "51:58", "start_time": "51:55", "text": "You're not taught real engineering in India unless you're from an IIT." }, { "end_time": "52:03", "start_time": "51:58", "text": "And probably even there, you're not taught it to the level with which you're taught in, like, like, abroad." }, { "end_time": "52:09", "start_time": "52:03", "text": "So my point is that, yeah, if you're genuinely interested, if you are actually a ranger from 3 years, that's when you should do an MS." }, { "end_time": "52:09", "start_time": "52:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:11", "start_time": "52:09", "text": "Have you written, like, some papers?" }, { "end_time": "52:13", "start_time": "52:11", "text": "Have you made some really cool projects?" }, { "end_time": "52:14", "start_time": "52:13", "text": "Do you know that this is your calling?" }, { "end_time": "52:15", "start_time": "52:14", "text": "Only then go for it." }, { "end_time": "52:18", "start_time": "52:15", "text": "Don't just go data science." }, { "end_time": "52:21", "start_time": "52:20", "text": "All our friends who went to that herd mentality." }, { "end_time": "52:22", "start_time": "52:21", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:28", "start_time": "52:24", "text": "Don't go with that mentality because you will injure yourself." }, { "end_time": "52:28", "start_time": "52:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:31", "start_time": "52:28", "text": "It's you'll you'll you might realize that that this is not for you." }, { "end_time": "52:31", "start_time": "52:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:34", "start_time": "52:31", "text": "And then you would have taken a big loan to, you know, fund your education." }, { "end_time": "52:37", "start_time": "52:34", "text": "So genuinely, for that reason, go to a good college." }, { "end_time": "52:38", "start_time": "52:37", "text": "Don't go to a whatever college." }, { "end_time": "52:39", "start_time": "52:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:42", "start_time": "52:39", "text": "And then say, Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:44", "start_time": "52:42", "text": "But, because you'll be miserable then, to be honest." }, { "end_time": "52:46", "start_time": "52:44", "text": "And you won't, like, enjoy your life." }, { "end_time": "52:46", "start_time": "52:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:51", "start_time": "52:46", "text": "And also, know this about going to the US and this is something people don't talk about often." }, { "end_time": "52:53", "start_time": "52:51", "text": "Viraj may have traveled throughout the world." }, { "end_time": "53:00", "start_time": "52:53", "text": "Remember that the way a brown person is perceived in the subcontinent is always like a raja." }, { "end_time": "53:00", "start_time": "53:00", "text": "You'll always be a raja in the subcontinent." }, { "end_time": "53:06", "start_time": "53:00", "text": "And if you travel anywhere in the world, there is this subtle subtle it's not like out there, but there's a subtle layer of racism." }, { "end_time": "53:06", "start_time": "53:06", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "53:10", "start_time": "53:06", "text": "I mean, more than anything, it's just that in your own home, you'll be celebrated." }, { "end_time": "53:10", "start_time": "53:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "53:10", "start_time": "53:10", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "53:12", "start_time": "53:10", "text": "Like, you'll have all the rights." }, { "end_time": "53:14", "start_time": "53:12", "text": "You you don't have the same rights going to another country." }, { "end_time": "53:18", "start_time": "53:14", "text": "Don't be a second class citizen abroad when you're gonna be a 1st class citizen in 100%." }, { "end_time": "53:19", "start_time": "53:18", "text": "And there's logic behind this." }, { "end_time": "53:22", "start_time": "53:19", "text": "See, the Indian startup scene is popping." }, { "end_time": "53:23", "start_time": "53:22", "text": "The Indian economy is popping." }, { "end_time": "53:27", "start_time": "53:24", "text": "It is the biggest market because China, you can't enter." }, { "end_time": "53:33", "start_time": "53:27", "text": "There's no foreign investment that can go into China, which makes India the biggest market, biggest population by 2025, 2030." }, { "end_time": "53:33", "start_time": "53:33", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "53:33", "start_time": "53:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "53:34", "start_time": "53:33", "text": "Youngest population." }, { "end_time": "53:35", "start_time": "53:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "53:37", "start_time": "53:35", "text": "That's the most money to be made here." }, { "end_time": "53:37", "start_time": "53:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "53:39", "start_time": "53:37", "text": "This is where the money's at, to be honest." }, { "end_time": "53:44", "start_time": "53:39", "text": "So if there is a market gap that you see today, go for it, attack it, build a startup around it." }, { "end_time": "53:46", "start_time": "53:44", "text": "Build something sustainable." }, { "end_time": "53:49", "start_time": "53:46", "text": "If you don't work at a startup, get the right skills and do things." }, { "end_time": "53:49", "start_time": "53:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "53:58", "start_time": "53:49", "text": "But don't if you don't have a game plan in mind, what about what you're gonna do in the US or abroad, just don't, like, mindlessly go there." }, { "end_time": "53:58", "start_time": "53:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "54:02", "start_time": "53:58", "text": "And if you're not sure about anything, trust me, work at a startup." }, { "end_time": "54:04", "start_time": "54:02", "text": "Like, that is your 4th option." }, { "end_time": "54:05", "start_time": "54:04", "text": "That is not spoken about enough." }, { "end_time": "54:06", "start_time": "54:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "54:10", "start_time": "54:06", "text": "Startups in India, the correct ones, are hungry for the right The right minds." }, { "end_time": "54:11", "start_time": "54:10", "text": "And fits." }, { "end_time": "54:12", "start_time": "54:11", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "54:14", "start_time": "54:12", "text": "It's beautiful work life balance." }, { "end_time": "54:15", "start_time": "54:14", "text": "It's a very rewarding job." }, { "end_time": "54:19", "start_time": "54:16", "text": "If you join the right startup, the cofounders will take care of you." }, { "end_time": "54:20", "start_time": "54:19", "text": "Go out hunting." }, { "end_time": "54:21", "start_time": "54:20", "text": "Do internships at startups." }, { "end_time": "54:22", "start_time": "54:21", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "54:25", "start_time": "54:22", "text": "Dude, if I just wish someone had told me this when I was an engineer in college." }, { "end_time": "54:26", "start_time": "54:25", "text": "Everyone just told me that, no, dude." }, { "end_time": "54:28", "start_time": "54:26", "text": "Three things or your career's over." }, { "end_time": "54:28", "start_time": "54:28", "text": "It's not that." }, { "end_time": "54:29", "start_time": "54:28", "text": "That's not the truth." }, { "end_time": "54:29", "start_time": "54:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "54:36", "start_time": "54:30", "text": "And going to a PCS, Infosys, and all is it's probably not gonna teach you, especially when you're doing, like, 3 years of your entry level job." }, { "end_time": "54:37", "start_time": "54:36", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "54:39", "start_time": "54:37", "text": "You'll have the same job all the time." }, { "end_time": "54:39", "start_time": "54:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "54:41", "start_time": "54:39", "text": "And there will be a cap on your career in that case." }, { "end_time": "54:41", "start_time": "54:41", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "54:43", "start_time": "54:41", "text": "In startups, there's no cap on your career." }, { "end_time": "54:44", "start_time": "54:43", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "54:47", "start_time": "54:44", "text": "Because, there's so many things you learn on the job." }, { "end_time": "54:47", "start_time": "54:47", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "54:49", "start_time": "54:47", "text": "Today, you're doing a task a." }, { "end_time": "54:50", "start_time": "54:49", "text": "Tomorrow, you're doing task b." }, { "end_time": "54:52", "start_time": "54:50", "text": "You have to fill up for someone sometime." }, { "end_time": "54:52", "start_time": "54:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "54:56", "start_time": "54:52", "text": "Like the 100th employee at Facebook, today is worth more than $1,000,000,000." }, { "end_time": "54:57", "start_time": "54:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "54:59", "start_time": "54:57", "text": "Now that's gonna be the case in India in the 2030s." }, { "end_time": "55:01", "start_time": "54:59", "text": "There's gonna be, like, 5 Facebooks that come out of India." }, { "end_time": "55:04", "start_time": "55:02", "text": "Be one of those first 500 people." }, { "end_time": "55:04", "start_time": "55:04", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "55:09", "start_time": "55:04", "text": "Don't don't aim to be 1 cog in the wheel of, like, TCS, 1 cog in the wheel of Infosys unless that's your calling in life." }, { "end_time": "55:12", "start_time": "55:09", "text": "And, you know, then it's another separate story." }, { "end_time": "55:16", "start_time": "55:12", "text": "But my advice to you guys is really be open to working at start ups." }, { "end_time": "55:18", "start_time": "55:16", "text": "You will find your dream job if you look hard enough." }, { "end_time": "55:18", "start_time": "55:18", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "55:21", "start_time": "55:18", "text": "You'll wake up every morning and you'll look forward to going to office." }, { "end_time": "55:24", "start_time": "55:21", "text": "That's the most important thing you want in your life." }, { "end_time": "55:24", "start_time": "55:24", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "55:25", "start_time": "55:24", "text": "Cool." }, { "end_time": "55:26", "start_time": "55:25", "text": "So that was a monkey chat podcast." }, { "end_time": "55:29", "start_time": "55:26", "text": "It was supposed to be a 20 minute episode, but I think once we got talking Yes." }, { "end_time": "55:31", "start_time": "55:29", "text": "It become more like an an hour." }, { "end_time": "55:32", "start_time": "55:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "55:32", "start_time": "55:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "55:33", "start_time": "55:32", "text": "Or whatever." }, { "end_time": "55:33", "start_time": "55:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "55:38", "start_time": "55:33", "text": "Also for, like, a lot of professional help, like, not professional help, professional advice." }, { "end_time": "55:40", "start_time": "55:38", "text": "Go follow our Instagram page, Monk Entertainment." }, { "end_time": "55:44", "start_time": "55:40", "text": "It's all about creating the best quality professionals, quality start up." }, { "end_time": "55:46", "start_time": "55:45", "text": "So go follow the page." }, { "end_time": "55:50", "start_time": "55:46", "text": "Make sure you follow Viraj and myself at Viraj shade at beer biceps on Instagram." }, { "end_time": "55:54", "start_time": "55:50", "text": "And until next time, guys, from monkey chat, from Viraj and Ranvir you." }, { "end_time": "55:55", "start_time": "55:54", "text": "See you, man." } ] }

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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:00", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "Hey." }, { "end_time": "0:01", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "What's good you guys?" }, { "end_time": "0:04", "start_time": "0:01", "text": "I've always promised you intelligent conversations only." }, { "end_time": "0:06", "start_time": "0:04", "text": "Reynold Abraham is a Bollywood insider." }, { "end_time": "0:07", "start_time": "0:06", "text": "He hosts his own chat show." }, { "end_time": "0:12", "start_time": "0:07", "text": "He's also one of the most highly networked people I've met in the media industry in general." }, { "end_time": "0:18", "start_time": "0:12", "text": "So the dope that he's gonna dish on this podcast is gonna be super spicy, super real, and super deep." }, { "end_time": "0:26", "start_time": "0:18", "text": "It's gonna be a deep intelligent conversation about the dark side of Bollywood but also about the bright side of Bollywood, what it takes to become big in the Bollywood industry." }, { "end_time": "0:32", "start_time": "0:26", "text": "So if you're even remotely interested in the Bollywood industry, trust me, you're gonna enjoy every bit of this podcast." }, { "end_time": "0:38", "start_time": "0:32", "text": "I know it's 1 hour long, but podcast are one of those things we're not really supposed to watch the podcast, you're supposed to listen to it." }, { "end_time": "0:43", "start_time": "0:38", "text": "So just before sleeping and keep your phone on the side of the bed, listen to it deeply." }, { "end_time": "0:45", "start_time": "0:43", "text": "You're gonna have fun throughout this conversation." }, { "end_time": "0:52", "start_time": "0:45", "text": "You're gonna learn a lot and if you're even remotely connected to the media industry or interested in the media industry, this one's gonna add a lot of value to your life." }, { "end_time": "0:55", "start_time": "0:52", "text": "And even if it doesn't add value, it's just gonna entertain you a lot." }, { "end_time": "0:59", "start_time": "0:56", "text": "Fun, gossipy session with Reynold Abraham." }, { "end_time": "1:08", "start_time": "1:00", "text": "The theme of this podcast is intelligent conversations only, and the theme of this episode is Bollywood gossip with my man." }, { "end_time": "1:12", "start_time": "1:08", "text": "I love how you've put intelligent conversations and Bollywood together." }, { "end_time": "1:13", "start_time": "1:12", "text": "You are a visionary." }, { "end_time": "1:14", "start_time": "1:13", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:14", "start_time": "1:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:16", "start_time": "1:14", "text": "This don't people don't put these 2 and 2 together." }, { "end_time": "1:18", "start_time": "1:16", "text": "I'll I'll tell you why Reynold Abraham." }, { "end_time": "1:19", "start_time": "1:18", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:21", "start_time": "1:19", "text": "1, you're actually younger than me." }, { "end_time": "1:22", "start_time": "1:21", "text": "You're, like, 25." }, { "end_time": "1:25", "start_time": "1:22", "text": "You've been in Bombay for like 2, 3 years." }, { "end_time": "1:26", "start_time": "1:25", "text": "It'll be 4 years." }, { "end_time": "1:26", "start_time": "1:26", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:26", "start_time": "1:26", "text": "4 years." }, { "end_time": "1:27", "start_time": "1:26", "text": "4 years in September." }, { "end_time": "1:32", "start_time": "1:27", "text": "And you've risen to a place in your career where people like dream of being." }, { "end_time": "1:32", "start_time": "1:32", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:33", "start_time": "1:32", "text": "And you've done that in 4 years." }, { "end_time": "1:38", "start_time": "1:34", "text": "I feel that that is because of the big brain that you hide from the world." }, { "end_time": "1:38", "start_time": "1:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:40", "start_time": "1:38", "text": "But you, I've I've told you this before." }, { "end_time": "1:44", "start_time": "1:40", "text": "I feel like you're the kind of person who shows one version of themselves to Bollywood and the world." }, { "end_time": "1:44", "start_time": "1:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:45", "start_time": "1:44", "text": "You are a little crazy." }, { "end_time": "1:47", "start_time": "1:45", "text": "I should tell you, you like you are creepy." }, { "end_time": "1:48", "start_time": "1:47", "text": "That's accurate." }, { "end_time": "1:48", "start_time": "1:48", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:48", "start_time": "1:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:49", "start_time": "1:48", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:50", "start_time": "1:49", "text": "So and then there's Your yoga." }, { "end_time": "1:51", "start_time": "1:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:51", "start_time": "1:51", "text": "That's my yoga." }, { "end_time": "1:52", "start_time": "1:51", "text": "That's my yoga talking." }, { "end_time": "1:53", "start_time": "1:52", "text": "You can see through people." }, { "end_time": "1:59", "start_time": "1:54", "text": "And there's one version of you that you keep to yourself where you're calculating, where you're understanding how to get forward in your career." }, { "end_time": "1:59", "start_time": "1:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:00", "start_time": "1:59", "text": "But you're not a bad person." }, { "end_time": "2:03", "start_time": "2:00", "text": "You're not using that to, like, you know, you're not using it to hurt someone." }, { "end_time": "2:05", "start_time": "2:03", "text": "You're just using it to progress your own career, which is fine." }, { "end_time": "2:05", "start_time": "2:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:13", "start_time": "2:06", "text": "In this process of progressing, talking to people, heavy networking, you're like one of the most crazily networked people that I know in my life." }, { "end_time": "2:15", "start_time": "2:14", "text": "You built like a massive Bollywood network." }, { "end_time": "2:19", "start_time": "2:15", "text": "You have a lot of GUP as you call it on Bollywood, a lot of gossip." }, { "end_time": "2:19", "start_time": "2:19", "text": "I do." }, { "end_time": "2:21", "start_time": "2:20", "text": "Without names, there is a lot of GUP." }, { "end_time": "2:22", "start_time": "2:21", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:27", "start_time": "2:23", "text": "In saying that with the gossip, you've also got a lot of learnings, which you always share with me." }, { "end_time": "2:35", "start_time": "2:27", "text": "You give me a lot of insights on how the Bollywood business works, how the Bollywood industry works, how the vibes are, the drug culture, the party and the sleeping around." }, { "end_time": "2:36", "start_time": "2:35", "text": "So My God." }, { "end_time": "2:37", "start_time": "2:36", "text": "What is this about?" }, { "end_time": "2:41", "start_time": "2:39", "text": "You have like no chill." }, { "end_time": "2:45", "start_time": "2:41", "text": "Straight into the drug culture, the party and the sleeping around." }, { "end_time": "2:45", "start_time": "2:45", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "2:46", "start_time": "2:45", "text": "Well done." }, { "end_time": "2:46", "start_time": "2:46", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "2:49", "start_time": "2:46", "text": "And I think that's what the viewers are here for as well." }, { "end_time": "2:55", "start_time": "2:49", "text": "So Reynold, my first question to you is that is this drug culture partying and sleeping around a real thing in Bollywood?" }, { "end_time": "2:56", "start_time": "2:55", "text": "Does it happen?" }, { "end_time": "3:02", "start_time": "2:57", "text": "See, I mean, you know how, see when I came into the industry, right?" }, { "end_time": "3:08", "start_time": "3:02", "text": "Obviously, like I didn't come into, I think I'm a part of the industry now because of like the people that I'm associated with." }, { "end_time": "3:13", "start_time": "3:08", "text": "Otherwise for the job that I do, I should ideally not be a part of Bollywood as much." }, { "end_time": "3:15", "start_time": "3:13", "text": "And I should be a part of the media fraternity or whatever." }, { "end_time": "3:24", "start_time": "3:16", "text": "But I think when I came to Bombay, there are always these notions of like like how you're saying, like, there's drugs everywhere and there's everywhere." }, { "end_time": "3:27", "start_time": "3:24", "text": "It's like it sounds like a massive orgy that's happening." }, { "end_time": "3:32", "start_time": "3:28", "text": "It's it's not that, but it's cool though." }, { "end_time": "3:35", "start_time": "3:32", "text": "I mean, it's it's not just because it's Bollywood." }, { "end_time": "3:37", "start_time": "3:35", "text": "I think it happens everywhere." }, { "end_time": "3:37", "start_time": "3:37", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "3:40", "start_time": "3:37", "text": "I feel like in Bollywood see, I've said this to a lot of people." }, { "end_time": "3:42", "start_time": "3:41", "text": "I feel like you will understand." }, { "end_time": "3:43", "start_time": "3:42", "text": "I'm sure." }, { "end_time": "3:45", "start_time": "3:43", "text": "Because I think it's entertainment and creative." }, { "end_time": "3:50", "start_time": "3:45", "text": "I think people are a lot more liberal and a lot more chill when it comes to trying out things." }, { "end_time": "3:51", "start_time": "3:50", "text": "Accepting." }, { "end_time": "3:51", "start_time": "3:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:01", "start_time": "3:51", "text": "Now when it comes to trying out things, it could mean, like, it could be alcohol or drugs or, like, even sleeping around when you I mean, you could say this in a very derogatory way." }, { "end_time": "4:06", "start_time": "4:01", "text": "But then you could also mean that you're just, like, just having sex with someone, whatever." }, { "end_time": "4:07", "start_time": "4:06", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "4:07", "start_time": "4:07", "text": "Which is chill." }, { "end_time": "4:08", "start_time": "4:07", "text": "Like Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:08", "start_time": "4:08", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:10", "start_time": "4:08", "text": "Like and people are very chill with, like, everything." }, { "end_time": "4:18", "start_time": "4:11", "text": "And I think that comes with a space of being creative and meddling with art and all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "4:18", "start_time": "4:18", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "4:19", "start_time": "4:18", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "4:21", "start_time": "4:19", "text": "So I think it's a very chill space." }, { "end_time": "4:21", "start_time": "4:21", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "4:21", "start_time": "4:21", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "4:23", "start_time": "4:21", "text": "Everyone's very, like, accepting is a good word." }, { "end_time": "4:24", "start_time": "4:23", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "4:24", "start_time": "4:24", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "4:24", "start_time": "4:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:26", "start_time": "4:24", "text": "But is there also cheating on spouses and all that?" }, { "end_time": "4:27", "start_time": "4:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:27", "start_time": "4:27", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "4:28", "start_time": "4:27", "text": "That's not true." }, { "end_time": "4:29", "start_time": "4:29", "text": "Gotcha." }, { "end_time": "4:31", "start_time": "4:30", "text": "See, I'll tell you." }, { "end_time": "4:34", "start_time": "4:31", "text": "Now I really feel like I mean, there's a lot of it." }, { "end_time": "4:40", "start_time": "4:34", "text": "And, I mean, I know people like neighbors who have done this from the industry." }, { "end_time": "4:46", "start_time": "4:40", "text": "And I've, I might be even guilty of, like, encouraging it or like making a few happen." }, { "end_time": "4:47", "start_time": "4:46", "text": "But, like, I'm very chill though." }, { "end_time": "4:48", "start_time": "4:47", "text": "Like, see this again." }, { "end_time": "4:49", "start_time": "4:48", "text": "No judgments." }, { "end_time": "4:49", "start_time": "4:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:54", "start_time": "4:49", "text": "Like, I feel like so there are people who are married and yet have open relationships in industry." }, { "end_time": "4:59", "start_time": "4:54", "text": "There are people who are cheating on, their spouses with another person." }, { "end_time": "5:06", "start_time": "4:59", "text": "But like, I remember having a conversation with this woman, who's an actor and also like a, supermodel." }, { "end_time": "5:09", "start_time": "5:06", "text": "She's she's won a lot of pageants and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "5:12", "start_time": "5:09", "text": "She told me she's married to this guy who doesn't live in, live in Bombay." }, { "end_time": "5:15", "start_time": "5:12", "text": "And he lives in Delhi as a businessman or whatever." }, { "end_time": "5:16", "start_time": "5:15", "text": "I'm giving away too much." }, { "end_time": "5:22", "start_time": "5:16", "text": "But, she told me that, like, emotional infidelity is the problem." }, { "end_time": "5:30", "start_time": "5:22", "text": "Like physically, if you are like a because because if you know, in biology we learn food, sex and water are the 3 basic needs." }, { "end_time": "5:38", "start_time": "5:30", "text": "And now if I'm telling you that you can only drink from 1 bottle water bottle, but when you're thirsty, you have to go back all the way home and then drink it." }, { "end_time": "5:38", "start_time": "5:38", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "5:39", "start_time": "5:38", "text": "It's your basic need." }, { "end_time": "5:40", "start_time": "5:39", "text": "No?" }, { "end_time": "5:40", "start_time": "5:40", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "5:42", "start_time": "5:40", "text": "So if it's just about, can I swear?" }, { "end_time": "5:42", "start_time": "5:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:42", "start_time": "5:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:42", "start_time": "5:42", "text": "Go for it." }, { "end_time": "5:43", "start_time": "5:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:45", "start_time": "5:43", "text": "If it's just about it out, then might as well." }, { "end_time": "5:48", "start_time": "5:45", "text": "But if you're going back to the same person for your emotional needs Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:55", "start_time": "5:48", "text": "Because I feel like a lot of people, a lot of couples in the industry have that very proper distinction." }, { "end_time": "5:58", "start_time": "5:55", "text": "So they're sleeping around, but emotionally they're coming back home." }, { "end_time": "5:58", "start_time": "5:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:58", "start_time": "5:58", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "5:59", "start_time": "5:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:00", "start_time": "5:59", "text": "Even like the top actors in the industry." }, { "end_time": "6:01", "start_time": "6:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:01", "start_time": "6:01", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "6:02", "start_time": "6:01", "text": "That's happening." }, { "end_time": "6:02", "start_time": "6:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:03", "start_time": "6:02", "text": "Damn." }, { "end_time": "6:04", "start_time": "6:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:04", "start_time": "6:04", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "6:06", "start_time": "6:04", "text": "And I think it's very progressive though." }, { "end_time": "6:06", "start_time": "6:06", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "6:07", "start_time": "6:06", "text": "Like, I feel like cool." }, { "end_time": "6:08", "start_time": "6:07", "text": "It's accepted in the industry." }, { "end_time": "6:08", "start_time": "6:08", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:09", "start_time": "6:08", "text": "Damn." }, { "end_time": "6:14", "start_time": "6:09", "text": "I mean, otherwise that marriage wouldn't I mean, see the thing is, it's not like it's a marriage on compromise." }, { "end_time": "6:20", "start_time": "6:14", "text": "Like, we would like to imagine that, oh my god, like, they might be having big problems and like, you know, they're just together for the sake of it." }, { "end_time": "6:21", "start_time": "6:20", "text": "There are people that are also." }, { "end_time": "6:22", "start_time": "6:21", "text": "Some of the biggest." }, { "end_time": "6:26", "start_time": "6:23", "text": "But like, but there are also people who are very chill." }, { "end_time": "6:30", "start_time": "6:26", "text": "Some from the young generation who got married and have been very chill about it." }, { "end_time": "6:32", "start_time": "6:30", "text": "Do you know any of these people personally?" }, { "end_time": "6:32", "start_time": "6:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:34", "start_time": "6:32", "text": "Are they emotionally in a good place?" }, { "end_time": "6:34", "start_time": "6:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:34", "start_time": "6:34", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "6:35", "start_time": "6:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:36", "start_time": "6:35", "text": "They're actually in a great place." }, { "end_time": "6:37", "start_time": "6:36", "text": "They're at peace with Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:37", "start_time": "6:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:42", "start_time": "6:37", "text": "And I think that comes from a very good space of mind and, like, yoga and meditation." }, { "end_time": "6:47", "start_time": "6:44", "text": "Well, let's let's get to the next topic." }, { "end_time": "6:48", "start_time": "6:47", "text": "But what are your thoughts on this, Nava?" }, { "end_time": "6:49", "start_time": "6:48", "text": "What are my thoughts on this?" }, { "end_time": "6:54", "start_time": "6:49", "text": "Are you okay with, like, in a relationship, would you be okay with, physical, physical cheating?" }, { "end_time": "6:55", "start_time": "6:54", "text": "Fidelity?" }, { "end_time": "6:55", "start_time": "6:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:55", "start_time": "6:55", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "6:57", "start_time": "6:55", "text": "Because, like, that's that's how I've been brought up." }, { "end_time": "6:58", "start_time": "6:57", "text": "Those are my ethics." }, { "end_time": "7:00", "start_time": "6:58", "text": "But I don't judge anyone because that's also my ethics." }, { "end_time": "7:00", "start_time": "7:00", "text": "I'll tell you." }, { "end_time": "7:01", "start_time": "7:00", "text": "I'll tell you." }, { "end_time": "7:03", "start_time": "7:01", "text": "Even with me, like, personally in a relationship, I'm very loyal." }, { "end_time": "7:04", "start_time": "7:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:16", "start_time": "7:04", "text": "But if I ever date somebody who is okay with being open, I'd probably be not so okay with it in the beginning, but maybe I'd come around, you know, because I I feel like as human beings, we're always learning and evolving." }, { "end_time": "7:16", "start_time": "7:16", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:17", "start_time": "7:16", "text": "We might get there one day." }, { "end_time": "7:18", "start_time": "7:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:18", "start_time": "7:18", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "7:18", "start_time": "7:18", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "7:20", "start_time": "7:18", "text": "I I I get Bombay." }, { "end_time": "7:22", "start_time": "7:20", "text": "I've grown up in the city." }, { "end_time": "7:25", "start_time": "7:22", "text": "So I understand the mentalities that go on in the city and each to his own." }, { "end_time": "7:26", "start_time": "7:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:34", "start_time": "7:26", "text": "For me, at the end of the day, I feel like if you have a strong set of ethics that you've been brought up with, that you believe in, and you're following that and you're happy following that, if you yourself are at peace, then that's what matters." }, { "end_time": "7:34", "start_time": "7:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:37", "start_time": "7:34", "text": "Just for me, it's like I've been brought up in a very old school way." }, { "end_time": "7:39", "start_time": "7:37", "text": "Like an old school guy loving an old school way." }, { "end_time": "7:41", "start_time": "7:39", "text": "If I love someone, I love them with, like, everything I have." }, { "end_time": "7:43", "start_time": "7:41", "text": "Everything I do is for that person." }, { "end_time": "7:43", "start_time": "7:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:46", "start_time": "7:43", "text": "You are telling me I've been brought up for 17 years of my life in Kerala." }, { "end_time": "7:46", "start_time": "7:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:47", "start_time": "7:46", "text": "We're gonna get to that." }, { "end_time": "7:47", "start_time": "7:47", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "7:53", "start_time": "7:47", "text": "That's can I tell you something about this drug culture because something just happened now with the whole Karan post of the video?" }, { "end_time": "7:55", "start_time": "7:53", "text": "And I felt really bad." }, { "end_time": "7:56", "start_time": "7:55", "text": "What video are you talking about?" }, { "end_time": "7:57", "start_time": "7:56", "text": "Karan post Karan had a party at his house." }, { "end_time": "8:03", "start_time": "7:57", "text": "There was Vicky and Shahid and Varun and, like, a lot of, big people in the industry." }, { "end_time": "8:07", "start_time": "8:03", "text": "There was Deepika and Shakun Batra and Ranbir and I think Ranbir was there." }, { "end_time": "8:07", "start_time": "8:07", "text": "I think." }, { "end_time": "8:08", "start_time": "8:07", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "8:09", "start_time": "8:08", "text": "I I was there." }, { "end_time": "8:10", "start_time": "8:09", "text": "Zoya was there." }, { "end_time": "8:11", "start_time": "8:10", "text": "All these people." }, { "end_time": "8:15", "start_time": "8:11", "text": "And there were these common it was a video and they were probably drinking or like, I don't know what they were doing." }, { "end_time": "8:16", "start_time": "8:15", "text": "What the fuck they wanted to." }, { "end_time": "8:23", "start_time": "8:16", "text": "They're adults and they I mean, I mean, I understand the loss of the country, but it's a chill video of, like, people having fun." }, { "end_time": "8:29", "start_time": "8:23", "text": "And they were like slammed for, like, their eyes looking red and like, they were like giving me drugs and all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "8:35", "start_time": "8:29", "text": "And some Emily slammed them on Twitter saying, like these are drug related Bollywood and all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "8:43", "start_time": "8:35", "text": "I get very concerned when like, when you just slam an industry, but because this is the perception, right?" }, { "end_time": "8:46", "start_time": "8:43", "text": "It's just like a massive orgy on MDMA or something like that." }, { "end_time": "8:47", "start_time": "8:46", "text": "But it's not." }, { "end_time": "8:54", "start_time": "8:47", "text": "And, like, I'm okay with, like, if people are doing a couple of things to relax because they have, like, 20 hour shift sometimes." }, { "end_time": "8:54", "start_time": "8:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:57", "start_time": "8:54", "text": "And it's like, accomplished Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:00", "start_time": "8:57", "text": "People who've, like, worked their ass off to where they are today." }, { "end_time": "9:01", "start_time": "9:01", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:03", "start_time": "9:01", "text": "I also, I want to add one more thing to what you're saying." }, { "end_time": "9:15", "start_time": "9:03", "text": "Definitely people have this negative so called Bollywood, from the perspective of someone in the media industry do to reach the top of Bollywood, forget the top, even to reach the top 30 people in Bollywood, you need to be a hustler in life." }, { "end_time": "9:17", "start_time": "9:15", "text": "You need to be in a positive way an opportunist." }, { "end_time": "9:17", "start_time": "9:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:20", "start_time": "9:17", "text": "You need to be a great networker, great communication skills." }, { "end_time": "9:22", "start_time": "9:20", "text": "You can't settle at just one hit movie." }, { "end_time": "9:23", "start_time": "9:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:25", "start_time": "9:23", "text": "So you're perpetually a workaholic, you know, for life." }, { "end_time": "9:25", "start_time": "9:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:28", "start_time": "9:25", "text": "All these guys are incredibly hardworking." }, { "end_time": "9:30", "start_time": "9:28", "text": "And it's not just the actors, the top directors, the top producers." }, { "end_time": "9:31", "start_time": "9:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:32", "start_time": "9:31", "text": "They're very fast thinkers." }, { "end_time": "9:32", "start_time": "9:32", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "9:34", "start_time": "9:33", "text": "And that's why not everyone makes it in Bollywood." }, { "end_time": "9:35", "start_time": "9:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:35", "start_time": "9:35", "text": "You can be good looking." }, { "end_time": "9:36", "start_time": "9:35", "text": "You can be a great dancer." }, { "end_time": "9:38", "start_time": "9:36", "text": "You can have a sexy body." }, { "end_time": "9:38", "start_time": "9:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:39", "start_time": "9:38", "text": "But then you need that x factor." }, { "end_time": "9:41", "start_time": "9:39", "text": "But some people consider a dark x factor." }, { "end_time": "9:44", "start_time": "9:41", "text": "But that these days everybody has a good body and good looks." }, { "end_time": "9:46", "start_time": "9:44", "text": "But that x factor is what sets you apart." }, { "end_time": "9:46", "start_time": "9:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:47", "start_time": "9:46", "text": "That too yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:47", "start_time": "9:47", "text": "Obviously." }, { "end_time": "9:51", "start_time": "9:48", "text": "I mean, that that x factor is just like a mix of a lot of things I feel." }, { "end_time": "9:55", "start_time": "9:52", "text": "And like these days, I mean, a lot of things are coming to place." }, { "end_time": "9:56", "start_time": "9:55", "text": "I mean, casting is a big thing." }, { "end_time": "10:01", "start_time": "9:56", "text": "It has become like a lot more channeled and systematic and all of that." }, { "end_time": "10:09", "start_time": "10:01", "text": "But then even if you do that one movie where you've been casted, it's not like, people are sitting there wanting to cast you again and again, unless you're so good." }, { "end_time": "10:11", "start_time": "10:09", "text": "And that's been such a big launch." }, { "end_time": "10:15", "start_time": "10:11", "text": "And even for like, so you should know that a launch happens as a launch." }, { "end_time": "10:18", "start_time": "10:15", "text": "When a launch is happening, they have like 3 movies planned." }, { "end_time": "10:28", "start_time": "10:18", "text": "It's not like one movie because it's very important that you have this one movie and in the next year, in like 6, 7 months, you should have your next movie Or at least announce it because otherwise, people forget you." }, { "end_time": "10:29", "start_time": "10:28", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "10:32", "start_time": "10:29", "text": "So it's very important to be like out there and be Continuously working." }, { "end_time": "10:32", "start_time": "10:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:33", "start_time": "10:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:34", "start_time": "10:33", "text": "Does parting help you get cast?" }, { "end_time": "10:36", "start_time": "10:34", "text": "Does parting help you grow your network in Bollywood?" }, { "end_time": "10:37", "start_time": "10:36", "text": "You are." }, { "end_time": "10:38", "start_time": "10:37", "text": "I mean, it it helps you be seen." }, { "end_time": "10:39", "start_time": "10:38", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "10:39", "start_time": "10:39", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "10:46", "start_time": "10:39", "text": "Because you are, see, it's it's all about as much as I really want to believe that this is an industry based on merits and all of that, it's not." }, { "end_time": "10:47", "start_time": "10:46", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "10:50", "start_time": "10:47", "text": "It's an industry that that likes working with people they know they like." }, { "end_time": "10:51", "start_time": "10:50", "text": "And they like." }, { "end_time": "10:51", "start_time": "10:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:52", "start_time": "10:51", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "10:55", "start_time": "10:52", "text": "So party is see, I'm not saying that you go party or whatever." }, { "end_time": "10:56", "start_time": "10:55", "text": "I'm just saying chill also." }, { "end_time": "10:57", "start_time": "10:56", "text": "It could be a chill situation." }, { "end_time": "10:59", "start_time": "10:57", "text": "I'm not saying go get drunk and sleep with someone." }, { "end_time": "11:01", "start_time": "10:59", "text": "It's it's just about being visible." }, { "end_time": "11:03", "start_time": "11:01", "text": "And you feel like you've made stuck up a conversation with them." }, { "end_time": "11:06", "start_time": "11:03", "text": "Like, I imagine you are an actor and I'm a casting director." }, { "end_time": "11:07", "start_time": "11:06", "text": "We meet at a party." }, { "end_time": "11:08", "start_time": "11:07", "text": "We had a conversation." }, { "end_time": "11:10", "start_time": "11:08", "text": "We we hear it off." }, { "end_time": "11:12", "start_time": "11:10", "text": "And I I feel like I like your wife." }, { "end_time": "11:13", "start_time": "11:12", "text": "And tomorrow I'm casting for something." }, { "end_time": "11:14", "start_time": "11:13", "text": "I'll be like, I like his wife." }, { "end_time": "11:15", "start_time": "11:14", "text": "I wanna work with him." }, { "end_time": "11:17", "start_time": "11:15", "text": "Because I might have to work him for a month." }, { "end_time": "11:17", "start_time": "11:17", "text": "Might as well like the guy." }, { "end_time": "11:18", "start_time": "11:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:18", "start_time": "11:18", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "11:18", "start_time": "11:18", "text": "Nice." }, { "end_time": "11:20", "start_time": "11:18", "text": "So that's the whole thing." }, { "end_time": "11:26", "start_time": "11:20", "text": "It's not I mean, again, like people are saying, oh, party you know, go home with it's not that." }, { "end_time": "11:27", "start_time": "11:26", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "11:29", "start_time": "11:27", "text": "I mean, there are people who are also have no problem." }, { "end_time": "11:31", "start_time": "11:29", "text": "Whatever party you wanna take, please take." }, { "end_time": "11:34", "start_time": "11:31", "text": "But, it's about I mean, it's good to be seen." }, { "end_time": "11:34", "start_time": "11:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:34", "start_time": "11:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:43", "start_time": "11:35", "text": "My next question to you, Reynal, is just give me 3 really controversial spicy stories from the world of Bollywood." }, { "end_time": "11:44", "start_time": "11:43", "text": "You are like 1 Janani." }, { "end_time": "11:50", "start_time": "11:45", "text": "You're like, give me 3 stories with, with or without taking names." }, { "end_time": "11:51", "start_time": "11:50", "text": "That's up to you." }, { "end_time": "11:51", "start_time": "11:51", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "11:52", "start_time": "11:51", "text": "Can you not okay." }, { "end_time": "11:53", "start_time": "11:52", "text": "Narrow it down for me." }, { "end_time": "11:53", "start_time": "11:53", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "11:55", "start_time": "11:53", "text": "Like give me like a context to this." }, { "end_time": "11:56", "start_time": "11:55", "text": "Give me like okay." }, { "end_time": "11:57", "start_time": "11:56", "text": "Let's let's go live." }, { "end_time": "12:00", "start_time": "11:57", "text": "Like you do 111 and then give me like context for something." }, { "end_time": "12:00", "start_time": "12:00", "text": "Like Okay." }, { "end_time": "12:03", "start_time": "12:00", "text": "You give me something on the show, something at a party, something like that." }, { "end_time": "12:04", "start_time": "12:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:06", "start_time": "12:04", "text": "Could you give me, like, 1?" }, { "end_time": "12:06", "start_time": "12:06", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "12:08", "start_time": "12:06", "text": "Give me, like, the wildest story you can recall." }, { "end_time": "12:10", "start_time": "12:08", "text": "Like, if I say the wildest story, what's the story that pops up in your head?" }, { "end_time": "12:11", "start_time": "12:10", "text": "That's the first one." }, { "end_time": "12:14", "start_time": "12:13", "text": "Oh." }, { "end_time": "12:17", "start_time": "12:17", "text": "Wireless." }, { "end_time": "12:18", "start_time": "12:17", "text": "See, I can't see." }, { "end_time": "12:25", "start_time": "12:18", "text": "Again, like, it's not a see now, this is not very wild for me because see, I'm very chill with casual sex." }, { "end_time": "12:25", "start_time": "12:25", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "12:25", "start_time": "12:25", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "12:30", "start_time": "12:25", "text": "I mean, so obviously, like, private parties are a scene and like House parties?" }, { "end_time": "12:30", "start_time": "12:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:35", "start_time": "12:30", "text": "They can be house parties or even a club for that matter, which could be just taken for that party for that night." }, { "end_time": "12:40", "start_time": "12:36", "text": "There are people like very close friends of mine who would like move from one person to the other in the same night." }, { "end_time": "12:41", "start_time": "12:41", "text": "And which is very true." }, { "end_time": "12:43", "start_time": "12:41", "text": "And I'm like sex with one person to the other." }, { "end_time": "12:44", "start_time": "12:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:46", "start_time": "12:44", "text": "I mean, you can't have sex in the club." }, { "end_time": "12:49", "start_time": "12:46", "text": "But like you could like make out and move to the other person, which is chill." }, { "end_time": "12:57", "start_time": "12:49", "text": "And I know about of people who are like married and in like strong like 5 year, 6 year relationships who like comes to parties and like are very chill." }, { "end_time": "12:57", "start_time": "12:57", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "12:59", "start_time": "12:57", "text": "And like, I don't know." }, { "end_time": "13:00", "start_time": "12:59", "text": "See, each to its own." }, { "end_time": "13:00", "start_time": "13:00", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "13:04", "start_time": "13:00", "text": "I mean, maybe, like, we're okay with that or, like, they're not, but they still wanna do it." }, { "end_time": "13:06", "start_time": "13:04", "text": "Is there a lot of coke generally involved cooking?" }, { "end_time": "13:08", "start_time": "13:08", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:09", "start_time": "13:08", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "13:09", "start_time": "13:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:11", "start_time": "13:09", "text": "But, like, again, see, it's not like everyone's doing it." }, { "end_time": "13:11", "start_time": "13:11", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "13:12", "start_time": "13:11", "text": "There are people who do it." }, { "end_time": "13:13", "start_time": "13:12", "text": "There are people who don't." }, { "end_time": "13:14", "start_time": "13:13", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "13:18", "start_time": "13:14", "text": "But like, I mean, of course, no one's like randomly throwing it on the see, this is the idea." }, { "end_time": "13:18", "start_time": "13:18", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "13:25", "start_time": "13:18", "text": "Like, we enter someone's house and there's 1 on the, like, the the living room seat and then one in the dining room, 1 in the bedroom." }, { "end_time": "13:26", "start_time": "13:25", "text": "That's not the scene." }, { "end_time": "13:27", "start_time": "13:26", "text": "I've seen that also." }, { "end_time": "13:31", "start_time": "13:27", "text": "I've seen I've seen parties where I like but like every room someone's snorting." }, { "end_time": "13:31", "start_time": "13:31", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "13:32", "start_time": "13:31", "text": "That has happened." }, { "end_time": "13:32", "start_time": "13:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:36", "start_time": "13:32", "text": "But like, more like that was more like Bollywood politics like, oh." }, { "end_time": "13:40", "start_time": "13:38", "text": "So, yeah, something like that." }, { "end_time": "13:42", "start_time": "13:40", "text": "Oh, like like the politicians and Bollywood people as well." }, { "end_time": "13:43", "start_time": "13:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:43", "start_time": "13:43", "text": "Something like that." }, { "end_time": "13:43", "start_time": "13:43", "text": "Damn." }, { "end_time": "13:47", "start_time": "13:43", "text": "Oh, so the MLA who you tweeted about Karan's party." }, { "end_time": "13:48", "start_time": "13:47", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "13:48", "start_time": "13:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:49", "start_time": "13:48", "text": "Crazy." }, { "end_time": "13:49", "start_time": "13:49", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "13:52", "start_time": "13:49", "text": "So that's one story that, there's like Oh, shit." }, { "end_time": "13:56", "start_time": "13:52", "text": "Actually, at this party, this the the one where, there was a lot of coke involved." }, { "end_time": "13:57", "start_time": "13:56", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "13:58", "start_time": "13:57", "text": "There was this one woman." }, { "end_time": "14:01", "start_time": "13:58", "text": "Now it's this is actually ridiculous for her to say this." }, { "end_time": "14:03", "start_time": "14:01", "text": "She is she lives in the US." }, { "end_time": "14:07", "start_time": "14:03", "text": "She has come down for this party and she has met a friend of mine, Amaira Dastoor, who is an actor." }, { "end_time": "14:09", "start_time": "14:07", "text": "Who is He's a junior from school by way." }, { "end_time": "14:10", "start_time": "14:09", "text": "Oh, God really." }, { "end_time": "14:10", "start_time": "14:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:10", "start_time": "14:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:11", "start_time": "14:10", "text": "But God." }, { "end_time": "14:12", "start_time": "14:11", "text": "Shout out to Amy." }, { "end_time": "14:12", "start_time": "14:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:13", "start_time": "14:12", "text": "What's up, Amy?" }, { "end_time": "14:17", "start_time": "14:13", "text": "So Amy was there and we were at both at this room and this woman is snorting." }, { "end_time": "14:20", "start_time": "14:17", "text": "This, woman who lives in the US." }, { "end_time": "14:21", "start_time": "14:20", "text": "And we were like, whatever." }, { "end_time": "14:23", "start_time": "14:21", "text": "Then like, so we don't do it." }, { "end_time": "14:25", "start_time": "14:23", "text": "So I was like, we were just in the room." }, { "end_time": "14:26", "start_time": "14:25", "text": "So chilling, whatever." }, { "end_time": "14:30", "start_time": "14:27", "text": "So now she, she didn't know who Amy was." }, { "end_time": "14:32", "start_time": "14:30", "text": "So she was like, what do you do?" }, { "end_time": "14:34", "start_time": "14:32", "text": "And there was another male actor in the same room." }, { "end_time": "14:35", "start_time": "14:34", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "14:40", "start_time": "14:35", "text": "So there's me, Amira, and this other male actor who's doing really well right now on the web and all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "14:41", "start_time": "14:40", "text": "And, she goes to Amy." }, { "end_time": "14:42", "start_time": "14:41", "text": "She's like, what do you do?" }, { "end_time": "14:43", "start_time": "14:42", "text": "You look so pretty." }, { "end_time": "14:44", "start_time": "14:43", "text": "You're lovely looking." }, { "end_time": "14:45", "start_time": "14:44", "text": "What do you do?" }, { "end_time": "14:47", "start_time": "14:45", "text": "And she's like, I'm an actor." }, { "end_time": "14:49", "start_time": "14:47", "text": "She was like, oh, don't tell me." }, { "end_time": "14:52", "start_time": "14:49", "text": "And I was like, so she was like, but why?" }, { "end_time": "14:53", "start_time": "14:52", "text": "So easy." }, { "end_time": "14:54", "start_time": "14:53", "text": "He's also an actor." }, { "end_time": "14:57", "start_time": "14:54", "text": "And this girl, this woman is like, but that's different for him." }, { "end_time": "15:01", "start_time": "14:58", "text": "And and she was like, you could do so much better." }, { "end_time": "15:03", "start_time": "15:01", "text": "Why would you why would you be an actor?" }, { "end_time": "15:07", "start_time": "15:03", "text": "And I'm like, you are an educated woman who lives in the US." }, { "end_time": "15:09", "start_time": "15:07", "text": "You can't, I mean, illiteracy is not a complaint here." }, { "end_time": "15:10", "start_time": "15:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:10", "start_time": "15:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:13", "start_time": "15:10", "text": "It blew my mind, you know." }, { "end_time": "15:15", "start_time": "15:13", "text": "I'm like, this is a modern setup." }, { "end_time": "15:17", "start_time": "15:15", "text": "Contemporary, like, whatever." }, { "end_time": "15:18", "start_time": "15:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:20", "start_time": "15:18", "text": "And you're just like and being a woman, you're like Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:21", "start_time": "15:20", "text": "How can you be an actor?" }, { "end_time": "15:24", "start_time": "15:21", "text": "I'm guessing this person is like a super old school actor." }, { "end_time": "15:25", "start_time": "15:24", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "15:26", "start_time": "15:25", "text": "She's not not an actor." }, { "end_time": "15:27", "start_time": "15:26", "text": "Oh, okay." }, { "end_time": "15:28", "start_time": "15:27", "text": "Like a like a business woman." }, { "end_time": "15:28", "start_time": "15:28", "text": "Oh, wow." }, { "end_time": "15:30", "start_time": "15:28", "text": "Probably like independent and self made, you know." }, { "end_time": "15:31", "start_time": "15:31", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "15:32", "start_time": "15:31", "text": "Crazy." }, { "end_time": "15:32", "start_time": "15:32", "text": "Crazy." }, { "end_time": "15:34", "start_time": "15:33", "text": "Are there like physical fights in Bollywood?" }, { "end_time": "15:38", "start_time": "15:34", "text": "Fist fights between guys Or at least almost at the brink of becoming physical?" }, { "end_time": "15:42", "start_time": "15:41", "text": "See, I'll tell you something." }, { "end_time": "15:49", "start_time": "15:43", "text": "The there's none in the young generation because everyone's very safe." }, { "end_time": "15:50", "start_time": "15:50", "text": "What do you mean?" }, { "end_time": "15:57", "start_time": "15:50", "text": "Safe in the sense see, obviously, like, with social media and phones and cameras and stuff like that, no one's doing anything public." }, { "end_time": "15:59", "start_time": "15:58", "text": "No one's fighting." }, { "end_time": "15:59", "start_time": "15:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:00", "start_time": "15:59", "text": "No one's fighting." }, { "end_time": "16:03", "start_time": "16:00", "text": "No one's having a problem because you never know what will go out." }, { "end_time": "16:12", "start_time": "16:03", "text": "But I'll tell you, like, see, a lot of my friends are people who are becoming actors, are people who are part of, very, what do you call it?" }, { "end_time": "16:14", "start_time": "16:12", "text": "Renowned households in the industry." }, { "end_time": "16:15", "start_time": "16:14", "text": "There are fights there." }, { "end_time": "16:17", "start_time": "16:16", "text": "That I mean, because they're also kids." }, { "end_time": "16:18", "start_time": "16:17", "text": "I mean, what can you imagine?" }, { "end_time": "16:21", "start_time": "16:18", "text": "They're like 18 to 22 year old kids." }, { "end_time": "16:25", "start_time": "16:21", "text": "I mean, there's one who's like who's a very big actor son." }, { "end_time": "16:28", "start_time": "16:25", "text": "And there so there is this club called Trist that we go to very often." }, { "end_time": "16:29", "start_time": "16:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:33", "start_time": "16:29", "text": "And he got no fist fight with someone on the center table, which is on top." }, { "end_time": "16:36", "start_time": "16:33", "text": "You know that that one table which is like in the middle?" }, { "end_time": "16:36", "start_time": "16:36", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "16:38", "start_time": "16:36", "text": "And I was like, what the hell are you doing?" }, { "end_time": "16:41", "start_time": "16:39", "text": "Like one person takes out a phone." }, { "end_time": "16:41", "start_time": "16:41", "text": "This is like." }, { "end_time": "16:42", "start_time": "16:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:42", "start_time": "16:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:42", "start_time": "16:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:50", "start_time": "16:42", "text": "So obviously a lot of these fights don't happen because the older ones, slightly older ones still in the younger group, they're very aware of, like, what they're doing." }, { "end_time": "16:50", "start_time": "16:50", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "16:54", "start_time": "16:50", "text": "They would never even, like, bring too much in a place like this, you know, unless it's a house party or whatever." }, { "end_time": "16:55", "start_time": "16:54", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "16:57", "start_time": "16:55", "text": "Then to but like, it's very, like, it's very muted." }, { "end_time": "16:59", "start_time": "16:57", "text": "It's there aren't many fights and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "17:00", "start_time": "16:59", "text": "People aren't very Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:03", "start_time": "17:00", "text": "But you said the older actors of generation has actual fights." }, { "end_time": "17:04", "start_time": "17:03", "text": "That too we've all heard." }, { "end_time": "17:08", "start_time": "17:04", "text": "What was that some, Sanjay that fight and all we have heard?" }, { "end_time": "17:09", "start_time": "17:08", "text": "I have no idea." }, { "end_time": "17:11", "start_time": "17:09", "text": "I forgot who he somebody he slapped Okay." }, { "end_time": "17:12", "start_time": "17:11", "text": "In his house party." }, { "end_time": "17:13", "start_time": "17:12", "text": "Like some other actor?" }, { "end_time": "17:13", "start_time": "17:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:14", "start_time": "17:13", "text": "Oh, damn." }, { "end_time": "17:15", "start_time": "17:14", "text": "There was a big, like, proper." }, { "end_time": "17:16", "start_time": "17:16", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "17:16", "start_time": "17:16", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:18", "start_time": "17:16", "text": "But this I think is a little famous though." }, { "end_time": "17:20", "start_time": "17:18", "text": "Like I forgot who he slapped, but somebody is beat up." }, { "end_time": "17:21", "start_time": "17:20", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "17:21", "start_time": "17:21", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "17:33", "start_time": "17:21", "text": "And, like my third story that I wanna ask you is, is there anyone who's going through a lot of emotional trauma just because of the world, but hides it like a lot, like major mental health issues, but like is hiding it?" }, { "end_time": "17:35", "start_time": "17:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:41", "start_time": "17:35", "text": "I mean, see, I mean she would talk about this herself and I'm, see, I'm really proud of this one person." }, { "end_time": "17:42", "start_time": "17:41", "text": "I'm glad you asked me this." }, { "end_time": "17:46", "start_time": "17:43", "text": "I mean, I would take this opportunity to congratulate Nora." }, { "end_time": "17:48", "start_time": "17:46", "text": "I think she's fabulous." }, { "end_time": "17:54", "start_time": "17:49", "text": "And she went through one of the darkest times that anybody could go through in this industry." }, { "end_time": "18:00", "start_time": "17:55", "text": "I think the beginning, and the relationship that she was in was not good at all." }, { "end_time": "18:07", "start_time": "18:00", "text": "She's spoken about before she's spoken on the show, but like, but I think the way she just like changed it." }, { "end_time": "18:11", "start_time": "18:07", "text": "She went through a lot of it in her career and in her personal life." }, { "end_time": "18:13", "start_time": "18:11", "text": "But I think she's like a woman of strength." }, { "end_time": "18:14", "start_time": "18:13", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "18:15", "start_time": "18:14", "text": "And she motivates me majorly." }, { "end_time": "18:16", "start_time": "18:15", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "18:24", "start_time": "18:16", "text": "I'm all for people who are not from this place and, like, has no backing, no kind of support and come to this place and, like, make it on their own." }, { "end_time": "18:25", "start_time": "18:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:28", "start_time": "18:25", "text": "I mean That's that's one one reason I really look up to you, bro." }, { "end_time": "18:28", "start_time": "18:28", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "18:29", "start_time": "18:28", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "18:29", "start_time": "18:29", "text": "Everyone." }, { "end_time": "18:29", "start_time": "18:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:34", "start_time": "18:29", "text": "But, like, see, I mean, I I was gonna say that I kinda did a bit of that." }, { "end_time": "18:37", "start_time": "18:34", "text": "But like, see, I'm not even close to what she has achieved." }, { "end_time": "18:39", "start_time": "18:37", "text": "But I mean, she really motivates me." }, { "end_time": "18:48", "start_time": "18:39", "text": "Like before coming here, the reason why she's in my mind is because I watched an interview she gave and I messed her saying, you have no idea how much you've grown and become mature." }, { "end_time": "18:54", "start_time": "18:48", "text": "And like, you have like, you know, the things that you say now is because you've gone through those emotional trauma and mental trauma that you went through." }, { "end_time": "19:00", "start_time": "18:54", "text": "And like somewhere, like, she's also glad that she went through because that probably made her the person that she is today." }, { "end_time": "19:01", "start_time": "19:00", "text": "But it's fantastic." }, { "end_time": "19:02", "start_time": "19:01", "text": "She's crazy." }, { "end_time": "19:05", "start_time": "19:02", "text": "Extremely talented, extremely hardworking." }, { "end_time": "19:09", "start_time": "19:06", "text": "I mean, 24 hours is like less for her to work, you know." }, { "end_time": "19:09", "start_time": "19:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:16", "start_time": "19:09", "text": "So I mean, bro, as much as I love this conversation, we still need a 3rd hardcore story." }, { "end_time": "19:20", "start_time": "19:17", "text": "So I remember I shot this episode with Richa Chadda and Malika Dua." }, { "end_time": "19:24", "start_time": "19:20", "text": "Richa and Malika people that I know for a while before, in a in a very friendly way." }, { "end_time": "19:26", "start_time": "19:24", "text": "We've been in the same group, partying multiple times." }, { "end_time": "19:30", "start_time": "19:27", "text": "So this was like a not a no promotions associated." }, { "end_time": "19:32", "start_time": "19:30", "text": "Just a very candid chat." }, { "end_time": "19:48", "start_time": "19:32", "text": "And, like, while I really love Gangana as an actor, I'm not a fan of the way she conducts herself in terms of the comment that she makes and like the way she visits people in the industry and like just says nasty things about other content reason all of that." }, { "end_time": "19:53", "start_time": "19:48", "text": "I'm not, and especially her sister who is just just like, like I don't know what she is." }, { "end_time": "19:56", "start_time": "19:53", "text": "It's just like if Twitter is a dark place, she's the black hole." }, { "end_time": "19:59", "start_time": "19:57", "text": "That that Rangoli, Chandel Twitter needs to be banned." }, { "end_time": "20:04", "start_time": "20:00", "text": "The kind of shit that she sees on that platform, it's just crazy." }, { "end_time": "20:07", "start_time": "20:05", "text": "You can't say things like that about people." }, { "end_time": "20:12", "start_time": "20:07", "text": "So I want because Richa and Malika very openly, I mean vocal people." }, { "end_time": "20:22", "start_time": "20:12", "text": "I wanted to get an opinion on this because I felt like if you're a strong actor, a strong woman in the industry, it doesn't mean you have to like step on other people in the industry." }, { "end_time": "20:29", "start_time": "20:22", "text": "You can be a great actor, have opinions on a lot of things, but that doesn't mean you have to stand on like other people in the industry to prove that I'm not strong or whatever." }, { "end_time": "20:33", "start_time": "20:30", "text": "So I asked them, I was like, because you are open and all of that." }, { "end_time": "20:34", "start_time": "20:33", "text": "You're a strong woman industry too." }, { "end_time": "20:36", "start_time": "20:34", "text": "What do you think of her?" }, { "end_time": "20:39", "start_time": "20:36", "text": "Now Malika said something very, safe." }, { "end_time": "20:41", "start_time": "20:39", "text": "And she she was like, but you know, you can't ignore her past." }, { "end_time": "20:41", "start_time": "20:41", "text": "Blah blah." }, { "end_time": "20:44", "start_time": "20:42", "text": "And it just said something very, very chill." }, { "end_time": "20:52", "start_time": "20:44", "text": "She said, like, if I had a problem with somebody, I wouldn't have a war of words on a public platform." }, { "end_time": "20:53", "start_time": "20:52", "text": "I'd rather do it 1 on 1." }, { "end_time": "20:55", "start_time": "20:53", "text": "I think 2 weeks later is when we are airing this." }, { "end_time": "20:57", "start_time": "20:55", "text": "And of course there's PR around the episode." }, { "end_time": "20:59", "start_time": "20:57", "text": "There's people who watch the show." }, { "end_time": "21:02", "start_time": "20:59", "text": "Now I think Malika spoke about her father's." }, { "end_time": "21:04", "start_time": "21:02", "text": "Her father was accused on me too." }, { "end_time": "21:06", "start_time": "21:04", "text": "And I we spoke about that." }, { "end_time": "21:14", "start_time": "21:06", "text": "And, so she got back to me saying over the 2 weeks, she told me that Randall, if the PR puts it out, then it'll be a big, like a lynch mob situation again." }, { "end_time": "21:15", "start_time": "21:14", "text": "They'll call me on Twitter and I don't want it." }, { "end_time": "21:18", "start_time": "21:15", "text": "Can you take it out from the PR and these that you guys send?" }, { "end_time": "21:19", "start_time": "21:18", "text": "So I said absolutely." }, { "end_time": "21:23", "start_time": "21:19", "text": "So taking one piece of thing out was not a big thing, but I did." }, { "end_time": "21:24", "start_time": "21:23", "text": "I do that all the time." }, { "end_time": "21:26", "start_time": "21:24", "text": "Now Richa never got back to me." }, { "end_time": "21:27", "start_time": "21:26", "text": "Her manager was on set." }, { "end_time": "21:27", "start_time": "21:27", "text": "PR was on set." }, { "end_time": "21:28", "start_time": "21:27", "text": "We had no problem." }, { "end_time": "21:31", "start_time": "21:28", "text": "Now obviously, she has spoken about Kangana." }, { "end_time": "21:32", "start_time": "21:31", "text": "This was in the episode." }, { "end_time": "21:35", "start_time": "21:32", "text": "Nobody saw this becoming a thing." }, { "end_time": "21:36", "start_time": "21:35", "text": "It blew up." }, { "end_time": "21:37", "start_time": "21:36", "text": "It blew up." }, { "end_time": "21:38", "start_time": "21:37", "text": "Rangoli was tweeting against her." }, { "end_time": "21:42", "start_time": "21:38", "text": "She was doing I think she probably got scared because she was doing a movie with Gangana called Panga." }, { "end_time": "21:52", "start_time": "21:43", "text": "And miss Arunort is very famous for cutting out people's out of air movies in the edit because she's usually closely associated with the editing of the movie." }, { "end_time": "21:53", "start_time": "21:52", "text": "And these days she's directing also." }, { "end_time": "21:55", "start_time": "21:54", "text": "So you never know." }, { "end_time": "21:57", "start_time": "21:55", "text": "So she I woke up to work." }, { "end_time": "22:02", "start_time": "21:57", "text": "This happened in the night because Rangoli usually tweets sometimes tweets in the night and I was sleeping." }, { "end_time": "22:08", "start_time": "22:02", "text": "I woke up to a missed call from Richa and I called her back and then she was like, so I said I just woke up." }, { "end_time": "22:09", "start_time": "22:08", "text": "What's up?" }, { "end_time": "22:10", "start_time": "22:09", "text": "Then she was like, did you do you know what happened?" }, { "end_time": "22:11", "start_time": "22:10", "text": "So I was like, no." }, { "end_time": "22:13", "start_time": "22:11", "text": "And then she was like, oh, Rangoli is sweet." }, { "end_time": "22:19", "start_time": "22:14", "text": "And then she said something on the lines of, you've used my friendship to do this." }, { "end_time": "22:23", "start_time": "22:20", "text": "And I was like, so I was very polite in the whole conversation." }, { "end_time": "22:25", "start_time": "22:23", "text": "It went on for about I think 20, 25 minutes." }, { "end_time": "22:34", "start_time": "22:25", "text": "She spoke about how I'm I will use my friendship with others in the industry to to get controversial things on my show and to get headlines." }, { "end_time": "22:35", "start_time": "22:34", "text": "And that's ruining them." }, { "end_time": "22:39", "start_time": "22:36", "text": "And I asked polite as I could be." }, { "end_time": "22:50", "start_time": "22:39", "text": "I was all of that in that call, where I very politely told her that, babe, you have the equation with me where you could just message me and tell me to take this out." }, { "end_time": "22:51", "start_time": "22:50", "text": "Your PR was on set who said nothing." }, { "end_time": "22:53", "start_time": "22:51", "text": "Your manager was on set who said nothing." }, { "end_time": "22:54", "start_time": "22:53", "text": "Your whole team was there." }, { "end_time": "22:55", "start_time": "22:54", "text": "You never got back." }, { "end_time": "22:57", "start_time": "22:55", "text": "We saw this 2 weeks ago." }, { "end_time": "22:59", "start_time": "22:57", "text": "And then she said something on the line." }, { "end_time": "23:01", "start_time": "22:59", "text": "She took Amy's name because she knew we were best friends." }, { "end_time": "23:08", "start_time": "23:01", "text": "And she said, I'm gonna tell Amy that you're gonna use her friendship to, your advantage and like make something controversial out of it." }, { "end_time": "23:11", "start_time": "23:08", "text": "And that like, this is the first call I was doing in the morning." }, { "end_time": "23:13", "start_time": "23:11", "text": "I was in my bed, you know." }, { "end_time": "23:14", "start_time": "23:13", "text": "I almost teared up." }, { "end_time": "23:16", "start_time": "23:14", "text": "And then I called Amy and I spoke whatever." }, { "end_time": "23:21", "start_time": "23:16", "text": "And then this woman started sending me links of, like, articles online." }, { "end_time": "23:24", "start_time": "23:22", "text": "So I called up and this went on, like, through the day." }, { "end_time": "23:27", "start_time": "23:25", "text": "This is like like, she was like, oh, this has come." }, { "end_time": "23:27", "start_time": "23:27", "text": "This has come." }, { "end_time": "23:27", "start_time": "23:27", "text": "What do you mean?" }, { "end_time": "23:28", "start_time": "23:27", "text": "What do you mean?" }, { "end_time": "23:30", "start_time": "23:28", "text": "And I'm explaining everything to her." }, { "end_time": "23:34", "start_time": "23:30", "text": "And then in the end I called up a manager and I said, listen, this is too much." }, { "end_time": "23:36", "start_time": "23:34", "text": "Your talent, like, is attacking me." }, { "end_time": "23:38", "start_time": "23:36", "text": "So then her manager was saying, no." }, { "end_time": "23:38", "start_time": "23:38", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "23:40", "start_time": "23:38", "text": "She might be, like, doing it in the spur of a moment." }, { "end_time": "23:41", "start_time": "23:40", "text": "She'll call you and apologize." }, { "end_time": "23:42", "start_time": "23:41", "text": "I said, no." }, { "end_time": "23:44", "start_time": "23:43", "text": "I don't want any apology." }, { "end_time": "23:46", "start_time": "23:44", "text": "Just let this go." }, { "end_time": "23:48", "start_time": "23:46", "text": "Like, I just want I want no communication with this person." }, { "end_time": "23:49", "start_time": "23:49", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "23:54", "start_time": "23:49", "text": "So because for me, I was like, because sometimes, you know, they wanna say things." }, { "end_time": "23:55", "start_time": "23:54", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "23:58", "start_time": "23:55", "text": "They want to be opinionated, opinionated, whatever." }, { "end_time": "24:03", "start_time": "23:58", "text": "But then, sometimes when shit goes loose, then they get very nervous." }, { "end_time": "24:09", "start_time": "24:03", "text": "So, Randall, tell me one thing, bro, does the success in the acting world in Bollywood get to people's heads?" }, { "end_time": "24:09", "start_time": "24:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:12", "start_time": "24:09", "text": "So I mean, yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:16", "start_time": "24:13", "text": "Like, I I don't wanna take this name because I mean, that'll become too controversial." }, { "end_time": "24:21", "start_time": "24:17", "text": "But I know of of an actor who's become fairly big right now." }, { "end_time": "24:23", "start_time": "24:21", "text": "Who's doing some of the biggest movies." }, { "end_time": "24:27", "start_time": "24:24", "text": "Working with really good act, directors and actors and all of that." }, { "end_time": "24:34", "start_time": "24:28", "text": "I remember meeting this person when, and I he I He was on the rise?" }, { "end_time": "24:34", "start_time": "24:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:37", "start_time": "24:34", "text": "And like he had like movies that never worked." }, { "end_time": "24:38", "start_time": "24:37", "text": "Like 2, 3 of them." }, { "end_time": "24:40", "start_time": "24:38", "text": "And there's one movie which like blew up." }, { "end_time": "24:43", "start_time": "24:40", "text": "Not the best movie in terms of content." }, { "end_time": "24:45", "start_time": "24:43", "text": "But slightly sexist or something?" }, { "end_time": "24:47", "start_time": "24:46", "text": "Sorry?" }, { "end_time": "24:48", "start_time": "24:47", "text": "Was the movie slightly sexist?" }, { "end_time": "24:49", "start_time": "24:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:49", "start_time": "24:49", "text": "Very." }, { "end_time": "24:50", "start_time": "24:49", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "24:53", "start_time": "24:50", "text": "And then and he had like a bunch of movies before that." }, { "end_time": "24:53", "start_time": "24:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:54", "start_time": "24:53", "text": "One movie took off." }, { "end_time": "24:55", "start_time": "24:55", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "24:56", "start_time": "24:55", "text": "School, go on." }, { "end_time": "24:59", "start_time": "24:58", "text": "So, yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:02", "start_time": "24:59", "text": "So and then this person just changed, dude." }, { "end_time": "25:07", "start_time": "25:02", "text": "And like, I have, like, I know stories where anyway, that's why." }, { "end_time": "25:16", "start_time": "25:07", "text": "Like, very like so I was actually going for, I mean, like stupid, silly cheat things that he's done at parties and like very like, yeah, very stupid things." }, { "end_time": "25:16", "start_time": "25:16", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "25:19", "start_time": "25:16", "text": "And then like he was known for that, you know." }, { "end_time": "25:22", "start_time": "25:19", "text": "And suddenly like he's become like this arrogant thing." }, { "end_time": "25:28", "start_time": "25:22", "text": "Like who who would like look through people at, places and like, I mean, it's, I mean, it's not about me." }, { "end_time": "25:29", "start_time": "25:28", "text": "I mean, I don't care." }, { "end_time": "25:29", "start_time": "25:29", "text": "I'm not." }, { "end_time": "25:33", "start_time": "25:30", "text": "But I know of like from actors that he's working with now." }, { "end_time": "25:37", "start_time": "25:33", "text": "And who who said, like, we have no idea what what has happened to him." }, { "end_time": "25:41", "start_time": "25:37", "text": "And you know, these are actors who who achieved a lot more than he has." }, { "end_time": "25:52", "start_time": "25:41", "text": "And while I understand that the Bollywood hero is the important thing in a movie, But, they he's working with some of the actors who have been in the industry for a while now, you know, and has done much better work than he has." }, { "end_time": "25:53", "start_time": "25:52", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "25:54", "start_time": "25:53", "text": "But, yeah, it changes people." }, { "end_time": "25:55", "start_time": "25:54", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "25:56", "start_time": "25:55", "text": "But there are also people who are very cool." }, { "end_time": "25:57", "start_time": "25:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:57", "start_time": "25:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:58", "start_time": "25:57", "text": "I mean, I Vicky Kaushal." }, { "end_time": "25:58", "start_time": "25:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:00", "start_time": "25:58", "text": "I think Vicky is fantastic." }, { "end_time": "26:06", "start_time": "26:00", "text": "I think I I would put my money on Vicky Kaushal to become I want to say the next Akhir Kumar, but I think he can be the first Vicky Kaushal." }, { "end_time": "26:06", "start_time": "26:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:07", "start_time": "26:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:07", "start_time": "26:07", "text": "I think it's crazy." }, { "end_time": "26:15", "start_time": "26:07", "text": "And I also feel like, see, when I meet like a Shah Rukh, I feel like, I mean, see he does it." }, { "end_time": "26:16", "start_time": "26:15", "text": "He's Shahrukh Khan." }, { "end_time": "26:18", "start_time": "26:16", "text": "He doesn't have to make you feel comfortable." }, { "end_time": "26:20", "start_time": "26:18", "text": "He doesn't have to give you his time." }, { "end_time": "26:25", "start_time": "26:20", "text": "Even if he's giving you like 35 minutes for your show, he doesn't have to give you his best." }, { "end_time": "26:28", "start_time": "26:25", "text": "He can just sit there and not talk for 35 minutes and I would still be happy." }, { "end_time": "26:31", "start_time": "26:28", "text": "I'd be like Shahrukh sat here for 35." }, { "end_time": "26:32", "start_time": "26:31", "text": "I'm happy." }, { "end_time": "26:32", "start_time": "26:32", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "26:37", "start_time": "26:32", "text": "But he humble, grounded, gives you his best every time." }, { "end_time": "26:40", "start_time": "26:38", "text": "Would I have never seen him in a bad mood." }, { "end_time": "26:40", "start_time": "26:40", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "26:46", "start_time": "26:40", "text": "If in front of the camera or like, you know, if he walks into you, he just make sure that I mean, he don't have to come into my crew and ask them if they have had dinner." }, { "end_time": "26:47", "start_time": "26:46", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "26:49", "start_time": "26:47", "text": "I mean, why would he care?" }, { "end_time": "26:49", "start_time": "26:49", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "26:52", "start_time": "26:49", "text": "So I feel like when you're completely secure Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:01", "start_time": "26:53", "text": "There is no like arrogance and like being bitchy or like this, you know, like this one attitude where, like, where you know that success has gone to your head." }, { "end_time": "27:07", "start_time": "27:01", "text": "It I think it's that middle space where you've just suddenly grown and you have no idea what to do with it." }, { "end_time": "27:08", "start_time": "27:07", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "27:09", "start_time": "27:08", "text": "That happens a lot." }, { "end_time": "27:17", "start_time": "27:09", "text": "And then there are people who are like some of these, there is one, from a very entitled family in Bollywood." }, { "end_time": "27:17", "start_time": "27:17", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "27:21", "start_time": "27:19", "text": "Which and a couple of them are doing fine." }, { "end_time": "27:30", "start_time": "27:21", "text": "But like one is there who is so entitled and he is he hits up like people on DM, like including bloggers, models." }, { "end_time": "27:31", "start_time": "27:31", "text": "He's the son." }, { "end_time": "27:32", "start_time": "27:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:33", "start_time": "27:32", "text": "He's the son." }, { "end_time": "27:37", "start_time": "27:34", "text": "The models, like bloggers or whatever." }, { "end_time": "27:42", "start_time": "27:37", "text": "So 3 kids may say he's the son and he's the one who's like, doing this." }, { "end_time": "27:44", "start_time": "27:42", "text": "I don't know how many kids are there." }, { "end_time": "27:45", "start_time": "27:44", "text": "But like he's the son." }, { "end_time": "27:46", "start_time": "27:45", "text": "There are multiple people." }, { "end_time": "27:47", "start_time": "27:46", "text": "But you said the the couple of others." }, { "end_time": "27:47", "start_time": "27:47", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "27:48", "start_time": "27:47", "text": "Go on." }, { "end_time": "27:48", "start_time": "27:48", "text": "Go on." }, { "end_time": "27:49", "start_time": "27:48", "text": "I'm sorry." }, { "end_time": "27:49", "start_time": "27:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:52", "start_time": "27:49", "text": "I mean couple of others as in like it's a form of saying." }, { "end_time": "27:52", "start_time": "27:52", "text": "No?" }, { "end_time": "27:53", "start_time": "27:52", "text": "It's like whatever way of saying." }, { "end_time": "27:58", "start_time": "27:53", "text": "Ranbir, this podcast is not called ending Reynolds career." }, { "end_time": "27:59", "start_time": "27:58", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "28:04", "start_time": "27:59", "text": "Reynolds, bro, your career is already safe because you're one of the most intelligent, chill people on social media." }, { "end_time": "28:04", "start_time": "28:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:05", "start_time": "28:04", "text": "You keep saying this." }, { "end_time": "28:05", "start_time": "28:05", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "28:08", "start_time": "28:05", "text": "But like sometimes when I say these things, I feel like I'm not." }, { "end_time": "28:08", "start_time": "28:08", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "28:09", "start_time": "28:08", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "28:10", "start_time": "28:09", "text": "You you're you're good." }, { "end_time": "28:10", "start_time": "28:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:16", "start_time": "28:10", "text": "But this guy, he is like, he eats up these people and he wants to sleep with all of them." }, { "end_time": "28:20", "start_time": "28:16", "text": "And actors also who are like in their nasal stages in the industry or whatever." }, { "end_time": "28:25", "start_time": "28:20", "text": "And he really feels like because he's from there, they must sleep with him." }, { "end_time": "28:25", "start_time": "28:25", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "28:28", "start_time": "28:25", "text": "And I've heard this from multiple people." }, { "end_time": "28:32", "start_time": "28:28", "text": "And he feels like, and he gets, like, upset if they don't sleep with him." }, { "end_time": "28:33", "start_time": "28:32", "text": "He'll be like, how can they not sleep with me?" }, { "end_time": "28:34", "start_time": "28:33", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "28:35", "start_time": "28:34", "text": "Have you seen yourself?" }, { "end_time": "28:36", "start_time": "28:35", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "28:37", "start_time": "28:36", "text": "People would have standards." }, { "end_time": "28:38", "start_time": "28:37", "text": "You know, like, money is not the only thing." }, { "end_time": "28:39", "start_time": "28:39", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "28:40", "start_time": "28:39", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "28:40", "start_time": "28:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:42", "start_time": "28:40", "text": "Coming back to the positives of Bollywood, dude." }, { "end_time": "28:43", "start_time": "28:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:44", "start_time": "28:43", "text": "Shah Rukh Khan, man." }, { "end_time": "28:44", "start_time": "28:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:45", "start_time": "28:44", "text": "You said how he's humble." }, { "end_time": "28:48", "start_time": "28:45", "text": "You said how, you know, he carries himself with positivity everywhere." }, { "end_time": "28:48", "start_time": "28:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:50", "start_time": "28:48", "text": "On a personal duty, someone who inspires me a lot." }, { "end_time": "28:51", "start_time": "28:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:53", "start_time": "28:51", "text": "There's certain people who I study in my life." }, { "end_time": "28:56", "start_time": "28:53", "text": "One of them is Virat Kohli, another one's someone like." }, { "end_time": "28:56", "start_time": "28:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:57", "start_time": "28:56", "text": "Karan Johor is someone I study." }, { "end_time": "28:57", "start_time": "28:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:58", "start_time": "28:57", "text": "Sharukhan is someone I study." }, { "end_time": "28:58", "start_time": "28:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:59", "start_time": "28:58", "text": "Sharukhan is someone I study." }, { "end_time": "29:01", "start_time": "28:59", "text": "I try imbibing pieces of their personality." }, { "end_time": "29:04", "start_time": "29:01", "text": "Dude, the way that guy carries himself into rooms." }, { "end_time": "29:06", "start_time": "29:04", "text": "The way he carries himself on screen." }, { "end_time": "29:06", "start_time": "29:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:07", "start_time": "29:07", "text": "Man." }, { "end_time": "29:12", "start_time": "29:07", "text": "Like, I completely get what you're saying in terms of, he's he's magnetic." }, { "end_time": "29:12", "start_time": "29:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:16", "start_time": "29:12", "text": "And also you understand why life has allowed him to grow to that Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:21", "start_time": "29:16", "text": "Like if he flops in every other movie after this, people will still remember him as the superhero." }, { "end_time": "29:21", "start_time": "29:21", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:22", "start_time": "29:21", "text": "That's what he's been able to achieve." }, { "end_time": "29:28", "start_time": "29:22", "text": "And you can't even say that about, like, people who've actually who are doing well continuously now for like 10 years." }, { "end_time": "29:28", "start_time": "29:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:30", "start_time": "29:28", "text": "You know, but you'd say that about Sharukan." }, { "end_time": "29:36", "start_time": "29:30", "text": "When an entire generation looks back at like 2000 to 2015, they'll be like, okay, those are Shahrukh's years and no one else is." }, { "end_time": "29:36", "start_time": "29:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:39", "start_time": "29:36", "text": "But what is what is like the most interesting thing for you when it comes to Shahrukh?" }, { "end_time": "29:40", "start_time": "29:39", "text": "When it comes to Shahrukh?" }, { "end_time": "29:41", "start_time": "29:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:44", "start_time": "29:41", "text": "So as study You said that you imbibe, like, qualities from different people." }, { "end_time": "29:44", "start_time": "29:44", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "29:45", "start_time": "29:44", "text": "So what did you take from Shahrukh?" }, { "end_time": "29:46", "start_time": "29:46", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "29:47", "start_time": "29:46", "text": "I'll answer your first question first." }, { "end_time": "29:51", "start_time": "29:47", "text": "What's the most interesting thing is that he's been a low key struggle." }, { "end_time": "29:52", "start_time": "29:51", "text": "Not too many people know about his struggles." }, { "end_time": "29:52", "start_time": "29:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:55", "start_time": "29:52", "text": "He's made it big late in life relatively late." }, { "end_time": "29:56", "start_time": "29:55", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "30:02", "start_time": "29:57", "text": "And in terms of, what I take from him, what I is class." }, { "end_time": "30:07", "start_time": "30:03", "text": "As in there is something called new money and something called old money in the world." }, { "end_time": "30:07", "start_time": "30:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:14", "start_time": "30:07", "text": "New money is where you suddenly become rich overnight and you don't know what to do, which is what you're saying about that young actor who's had one hit film." }, { "end_time": "30:16", "start_time": "30:14", "text": "And what happens to a lot of people?" }, { "end_time": "30:19", "start_time": "30:16", "text": "Old money is when your family's had money for 2, 3 generations." }, { "end_time": "30:19", "start_time": "30:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:20", "start_time": "30:19", "text": "And you're brought up in wealth." }, { "end_time": "30:22", "start_time": "30:20", "text": "You're brought up amongst wealthy." }, { "end_time": "30:22", "start_time": "30:22", "text": "I know." }, { "end_time": "30:23", "start_time": "30:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:24", "start_time": "30:23", "text": "You don't show off." }, { "end_time": "30:26", "start_time": "30:24", "text": "You don't, you know, go out hunting for things." }, { "end_time": "30:28", "start_time": "30:26", "text": "You're very comfortable and secure in who you are." }, { "end_time": "30:30", "start_time": "30:28", "text": "Shah Rukh Khan doesn't have old money." }, { "end_time": "30:32", "start_time": "30:30", "text": "He's he's new money, but he's kept his head old money." }, { "end_time": "30:32", "start_time": "30:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:33", "start_time": "30:32", "text": "That's what I take from you." }, { "end_time": "30:34", "start_time": "30:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:34", "start_time": "30:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:35", "start_time": "30:34", "text": "That's true." }, { "end_time": "30:45", "start_time": "30:35", "text": "And, speaking of Bollywood, now this is not something I know for sure, but there is this whole controversy theory that, apparently success went to Govinda's head." }, { "end_time": "30:46", "start_time": "30:45", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "30:49", "start_time": "30:46", "text": "And Govinda is also someone who the whole generation has looked up." }, { "end_time": "30:50", "start_time": "30:49", "text": "My entire generation has looked up to Govinda." }, { "end_time": "30:53", "start_time": "30:51", "text": "But can I tell you one thing right before we get into this?" }, { "end_time": "30:53", "start_time": "30:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:59", "start_time": "30:53", "text": "Because you mentioned I mean, we did talk about, like, I did talk about, like, a few people in the industry, like, who have done stupid things and fucked up things." }, { "end_time": "31:04", "start_time": "31:00", "text": "But I'll tell you when you talk about these people who I said, like, do these things or whatever." }, { "end_time": "31:06", "start_time": "31:04", "text": "For me, they don't even make the industry for me." }, { "end_time": "31:07", "start_time": "31:06", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "31:12", "start_time": "31:07", "text": "Like for me, while there are, like, negative things, it's also an industry of like Shahrukh." }, { "end_time": "31:12", "start_time": "31:12", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "31:12", "start_time": "31:12", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "31:14", "start_time": "31:12", "text": "I mean, these are people who make the industry for me." }, { "end_time": "31:17", "start_time": "31:14", "text": "I'm like, there's Deepika who's doing monumental work." }, { "end_time": "31:20", "start_time": "31:17", "text": "But, like, who's seen the like, the the way this industry functions." }, { "end_time": "31:21", "start_time": "31:20", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "31:25", "start_time": "31:21", "text": "She was the first one to be on a poster of a huge budget movie like Padmaavat." }, { "end_time": "31:26", "start_time": "31:25", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "31:28", "start_time": "31:26", "text": "So, I mean, this is what makes the industry for me." }, { "end_time": "31:33", "start_time": "31:29", "text": "Like but then, like, these other, like, little Chidumu people, like, who are making stupid decisions." }, { "end_time": "31:33", "start_time": "31:33", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "31:35", "start_time": "31:33", "text": "I mean, they give the industry a bad name." }, { "end_time": "31:36", "start_time": "31:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:40", "start_time": "31:36", "text": "I mean, I mean, unfortunately, we just like the the negative part of it gets highlighted a lot more." }, { "end_time": "31:40", "start_time": "31:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:44", "start_time": "31:40", "text": "But that doesn't I mean, for me, these are not even, like, big parts of the industry." }, { "end_time": "31:45", "start_time": "31:44", "text": "These are just, like, I don't know." }, { "end_time": "31:46", "start_time": "31:45", "text": "Rodents need to be killed." }, { "end_time": "31:46", "start_time": "31:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:47", "start_time": "31:46", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "31:51", "start_time": "31:47", "text": "But coming back to Govinda." }, { "end_time": "31:51", "start_time": "31:51", "text": "Govinda." }, { "end_time": "31:52", "start_time": "31:51", "text": "What do you know about Govinda?" }, { "end_time": "31:54", "start_time": "31:52", "text": "Like, do you have any dope on Govinda?" }, { "end_time": "32:03", "start_time": "31:54", "text": "I heard this very, like, interesting thing recently that apparently he said in some interview that he was offered avatar." }, { "end_time": "32:04", "start_time": "32:03", "text": "Oh, right." }, { "end_time": "32:04", "start_time": "32:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:04", "start_time": "32:04", "text": "Did you hear this?" }, { "end_time": "32:05", "start_time": "32:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:08", "start_time": "32:05", "text": "And James Cameron, consulted with him about certain aspects of the movie." }, { "end_time": "32:14", "start_time": "32:08", "text": "And apparently, he said no to the project because he didn't wanna put color on his body." }, { "end_time": "32:15", "start_time": "32:14", "text": "He didn't want body paint." }, { "end_time": "32:16", "start_time": "32:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:19", "start_time": "32:16", "text": "This is just the stupidest thing that you get." }, { "end_time": "32:24", "start_time": "32:19", "text": "I feel like if you are if you're a star of that capacity, that like you're saying that you've looked up to him." }, { "end_time": "32:33", "start_time": "32:24", "text": "Now he was not a part of my childhood because I grew up in Kerala and like, I mean the first time I was introduced to Bollywood was like DDLJ and Kabikushi Kabikam that I watched in college and stuff." }, { "end_time": "32:37", "start_time": "32:34", "text": "Downloaded from Torrance, giving pen drives and all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "32:39", "start_time": "32:37", "text": "But Govinda was not like a part of my childhood." }, { "end_time": "32:47", "start_time": "32:39", "text": "But, like, I know the kind of craze that is and how Baru looks up to Govinda and he's I mean, tries to imbibe qualities of him in his performance sometimes and all that stuff." }, { "end_time": "32:48", "start_time": "32:47", "text": "And I get that." }, { "end_time": "32:56", "start_time": "32:48", "text": "But I think if you are at that stature, I think you need to conduct yourself in a very respectful way." }, { "end_time": "33:00", "start_time": "32:56", "text": "You can't do a movie like Friday that he did." }, { "end_time": "33:01", "start_time": "33:00", "text": "Oh, my God." }, { "end_time": "33:03", "start_time": "33:01", "text": "I went for the screening of that movie." }, { "end_time": "33:08", "start_time": "33:04", "text": "It was just like I have no I I left in the interval." }, { "end_time": "33:08", "start_time": "33:08", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "33:17", "start_time": "33:08", "text": "And I said like I had to go down to get something and I just left because this I mean, you can't be like in that stature." }, { "end_time": "33:19", "start_time": "33:17", "text": "You can't be this like sleazy." }, { "end_time": "33:22", "start_time": "33:19", "text": "I mean, you can be playing whatever character." }, { "end_time": "33:29", "start_time": "33:23", "text": "But in a movie like that where you're playing a sleazy character trying to hook up with like an underage looking girl." }, { "end_time": "33:32", "start_time": "33:30", "text": "I mean, it's just a stupid decision to make." }, { "end_time": "33:35", "start_time": "33:32", "text": "And I wonder why people make these decisions." }, { "end_time": "33:36", "start_time": "33:35", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "33:37", "start_time": "33:36", "text": "You know, when Easter zone Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:39", "start_time": "33:37", "text": "Gonda, I don't I don't get what happened." }, { "end_time": "33:43", "start_time": "33:39", "text": "Like, for for growing up and seeing him, you know, do You really love Gonda." }, { "end_time": "33:44", "start_time": "33:43", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "33:45", "start_time": "33:44", "text": "I mean You were like, don't tell him more." }, { "end_time": "33:46", "start_time": "33:45", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "33:46", "start_time": "33:46", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "33:46", "start_time": "33:46", "text": "No, man." }, { "end_time": "33:47", "start_time": "33:46", "text": "Like, nothing." }, { "end_time": "34:04", "start_time": "34:02", "text": "I want to ask him what happened." }, { "end_time": "34:04", "start_time": "34:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:05", "start_time": "34:04", "text": "I wanna ask him what happened." }, { "end_time": "34:05", "start_time": "34:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:06", "start_time": "34:05", "text": "I know what you feel." }, { "end_time": "34:06", "start_time": "34:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:06", "start_time": "34:06", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "34:08", "start_time": "34:06", "text": "But let's let's tell me something." }, { "end_time": "34:11", "start_time": "34:08", "text": "You said you were not into Bollywood and like the movies that much." }, { "end_time": "34:14", "start_time": "34:11", "text": "But, do you like someone in Bollywood?" }, { "end_time": "34:17", "start_time": "34:14", "text": "Do I like as in, like, do I look up to someone?" }, { "end_time": "34:17", "start_time": "34:17", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "34:19", "start_time": "34:17", "text": "Like, do you find someone cute?" }, { "end_time": "34:22", "start_time": "34:19", "text": "I've I've I mean, I should ask you this question because, I mean, that's my vibe too." }, { "end_time": "34:22", "start_time": "34:22", "text": "I should ask you." }, { "end_time": "34:22", "start_time": "34:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:23", "start_time": "34:22", "text": "Go for it." }, { "end_time": "34:24", "start_time": "34:23", "text": "I've said this on your show." }, { "end_time": "34:25", "start_time": "34:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:28", "start_time": "34:27", "text": "I've I've told her this." }, { "end_time": "34:28", "start_time": "34:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:29", "start_time": "34:28", "text": "Thank you for that." }, { "end_time": "34:31", "start_time": "34:30", "text": "Did you, like, tag her in something?" }, { "end_time": "34:32", "start_time": "34:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:35", "start_time": "34:32", "text": "I I'm I'm probably collaborating with her on something as well." }, { "end_time": "34:35", "start_time": "34:35", "text": "Oh." }, { "end_time": "34:35", "start_time": "34:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:35", "start_time": "34:35", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "34:36", "start_time": "34:35", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "34:38", "start_time": "34:36", "text": "But there's so she again, she's okay." }, { "end_time": "34:40", "start_time": "34:38", "text": "Basically, I'll We are giving some dope guys." }, { "end_time": "34:41", "start_time": "34:40", "text": "He's collabing with Ananya." }, { "end_time": "34:43", "start_time": "34:42", "text": "I'll give you some context." }, { "end_time": "34:48", "start_time": "34:43", "text": "When you're from the same school, which is me and Ananya, a school has a certain culture." }, { "end_time": "34:54", "start_time": "34:48", "text": "And when you meet another person from our school, which is the Dhruva Learning International School, you have a deep vibe with that person immediately." }, { "end_time": "34:54", "start_time": "34:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:57", "start_time": "34:54", "text": "So, I've always had this thing that we'll end up collaborating." }, { "end_time": "34:59", "start_time": "34:57", "text": "In saying that, I do find it very cute and I find it very intelligent." }, { "end_time": "35:00", "start_time": "34:59", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "35:02", "start_time": "35:00", "text": "And I think she's one of those people who's using a fame for something good." }, { "end_time": "35:03", "start_time": "35:02", "text": "So Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:05", "start_time": "35:03", "text": "Really like Ananiabani, really look up to her." }, { "end_time": "35:07", "start_time": "35:05", "text": "Oh, you spoke about her, BSR activity." }, { "end_time": "35:08", "start_time": "35:08", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "35:08", "start_time": "35:08", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:09", "start_time": "35:08", "text": "I saw this." }, { "end_time": "35:09", "start_time": "35:09", "text": "Correct." }, { "end_time": "35:09", "start_time": "35:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:10", "start_time": "35:09", "text": "So positive." }, { "end_time": "35:11", "start_time": "35:10", "text": "She's a cool girl." }, { "end_time": "35:11", "start_time": "35:11", "text": "I really like her." }, { "end_time": "35:12", "start_time": "35:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:14", "start_time": "35:12", "text": "I met her I think so one of my hold on bro." }, { "end_time": "35:18", "start_time": "35:14", "text": "I've gotta ask before speaking with Ananya because I know she's gonna be the answer to my next question." }, { "end_time": "35:18", "start_time": "35:18", "text": "Oh." }, { "end_time": "35:23", "start_time": "35:20", "text": "Name 2 guys and 2 girls in Bollywood that you'd put your money on in the long term." }, { "end_time": "35:24", "start_time": "35:23", "text": "You'd be like, okay." }, { "end_time": "35:25", "start_time": "35:24", "text": "These people have big potential." }, { "end_time": "35:27", "start_time": "35:26", "text": "I know Ananya Band is one of them." }, { "end_time": "35:30", "start_time": "35:27", "text": "Let's kind of just put her out of the question and she's also someone I would pick." }, { "end_time": "35:30", "start_time": "35:30", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "35:32", "start_time": "35:30", "text": "Because I know how I know her." }, { "end_time": "35:33", "start_time": "35:32", "text": "We'll have you Ananya." }, { "end_time": "35:33", "start_time": "35:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:33", "start_time": "35:33", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "35:37", "start_time": "35:33", "text": "So but other than Ananya, which 2 other girls would you put in that bracket?" }, { "end_time": "35:38", "start_time": "35:37", "text": "Which 2 other guys would you put in that bracket?" }, { "end_time": "35:42", "start_time": "35:38", "text": "And you would want people who are already in the industry who've made their debuts." }, { "end_time": "35:43", "start_time": "35:43", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "35:47", "start_time": "35:43", "text": "So can I can I name one person who's just coming in November?" }, { "end_time": "35:48", "start_time": "35:47", "text": "Sure." }, { "end_time": "35:53", "start_time": "35:48", "text": "So there's this girl called Alaya Furniturewala who, is Puja Bedi's daughter." }, { "end_time": "35:55", "start_time": "35:54", "text": "Incredible talent." }, { "end_time": "35:57", "start_time": "35:55", "text": "I'm like, wow." }, { "end_time": "35:58", "start_time": "35:57", "text": "I mean, she's one of my closest friends." }, { "end_time": "36:03", "start_time": "35:58", "text": "I mean, also, I'm in a really good space in my life right now because a lot of my friends are becoming actors." }, { "end_time": "36:04", "start_time": "36:03", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "36:07", "start_time": "36:04", "text": "Like like, they're getting launched now, this year, next year, all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "36:09", "start_time": "36:07", "text": "So I've seen the stuff Alaya does." }, { "end_time": "36:11", "start_time": "36:10", "text": "And, she's incredible." }, { "end_time": "36:14", "start_time": "36:11", "text": "So I would definitely and she's coming to a movie called Jawaani Janiman with Seth." }, { "end_time": "36:15", "start_time": "36:14", "text": "It's a father daughter movie." }, { "end_time": "36:18", "start_time": "36:15", "text": "We're not plugging this movie, but like whatever." }, { "end_time": "36:19", "start_time": "36:18", "text": "But I think she's fantastic." }, { "end_time": "36:20", "start_time": "36:19", "text": "Big love to Seth Ali Khan as well." }, { "end_time": "36:21", "start_time": "36:20", "text": "Big love to Seth Ali Khan." }, { "end_time": "36:22", "start_time": "36:21", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:24", "start_time": "36:22", "text": "You become a little Paditi Chopra in this episode." }, { "end_time": "36:26", "start_time": "36:24", "text": "She really love that." }, { "end_time": "36:26", "start_time": "36:26", "text": "She really love Saif." }, { "end_time": "36:27", "start_time": "36:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:28", "start_time": "36:27", "text": "Like Saif is the guy." }, { "end_time": "36:30", "start_time": "36:28", "text": "So everyone used to call me Sif in school in jail." }, { "end_time": "36:30", "start_time": "36:30", "text": "Oh." }, { "end_time": "36:32", "start_time": "36:30", "text": "Because I have I have a bit of a Saif look." }, { "end_time": "36:34", "start_time": "36:32", "text": "Like a little tum tum tights." }, { "end_time": "36:34", "start_time": "36:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:34", "start_time": "36:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:34", "start_time": "36:34", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "36:36", "start_time": "36:34", "text": "And that's also the guy I am." }, { "end_time": "36:37", "start_time": "36:36", "text": "Like the self character." }, { "end_time": "36:37", "start_time": "36:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:39", "start_time": "36:37", "text": "I'm that guy." }, { "end_time": "36:39", "start_time": "36:39", "text": "You are that guy." }, { "end_time": "36:40", "start_time": "36:39", "text": "Hey, guys." }, { "end_time": "36:41", "start_time": "36:41", "text": "Oh, my god." }, { "end_time": "36:42", "start_time": "36:41", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "36:42", "start_time": "36:42", "text": "It is legit." }, { "end_time": "36:44", "start_time": "36:43", "text": "Like whatever." }, { "end_time": "36:45", "start_time": "36:44", "text": "And and the cute lover." }, { "end_time": "36:45", "start_time": "36:45", "text": "But this is true." }, { "end_time": "36:49", "start_time": "36:45", "text": "Viraj was telling me that you are like the person who and you told me this." }, { "end_time": "36:54", "start_time": "36:49", "text": "That you are the person who would throw parties and have fun and you now you become this yogi." }, { "end_time": "36:54", "start_time": "36:54", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "36:55", "start_time": "36:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:56", "start_time": "36:55", "text": "That's that's exactly what it is." }, { "end_time": "36:57", "start_time": "36:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:58", "start_time": "36:57", "text": "I really wanna break it though." }, { "end_time": "37:00", "start_time": "36:59", "text": "That is my conversation." }, { "end_time": "37:01", "start_time": "37:00", "text": "It's one of my missions." }, { "end_time": "37:03", "start_time": "37:02", "text": "Breaking my yoginess." }, { "end_time": "37:03", "start_time": "37:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "37:07", "start_time": "37:04", "text": "And make you party with, like, alcohol, drugs, and casual sex." }, { "end_time": "37:08", "start_time": "37:07", "text": "Cool." }, { "end_time": "37:08", "start_time": "37:08", "text": "Cool." }, { "end_time": "37:09", "start_time": "37:08", "text": "I'll I'll sit there." }, { "end_time": "37:12", "start_time": "37:09", "text": "All these things that you think happens at parties." }, { "end_time": "37:14", "start_time": "37:12", "text": "I'll sit there and light up the party with my yoga." }, { "end_time": "37:20", "start_time": "37:15", "text": "Listen, I just wanna tell you right before this, Viraj told me to spike your food with drugs." }, { "end_time": "37:21", "start_time": "37:20", "text": "That's what he told me." }, { "end_time": "37:27", "start_time": "37:21", "text": "Well You know your manager has the best interest in Right right now you can spike my mind with your phobics." }, { "end_time": "37:30", "start_time": "37:28", "text": "Oh, he's like come back to the conversation." }, { "end_time": "37:31", "start_time": "37:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "37:32", "start_time": "37:31", "text": "He's a psychology major." }, { "end_time": "37:32", "start_time": "37:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "37:34", "start_time": "37:32", "text": "So I'll give you like 22." }, { "end_time": "37:34", "start_time": "37:34", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "37:39", "start_time": "37:34", "text": "I think Vicky definitely and, Ayushman." }, { "end_time": "37:40", "start_time": "37:39", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "37:44", "start_time": "37:40", "text": "Vicky and Ayushman, I think are they've already been selected as Oh, like the debuts." }, { "end_time": "37:44", "start_time": "37:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "37:47", "start_time": "37:44", "text": "People who, you know, are like, who's the next one we're using?" }, { "end_time": "37:51", "start_time": "37:48", "text": "I mean, from the debuts there is no one." }, { "end_time": "37:51", "start_time": "37:51", "text": "Mezaan?" }, { "end_time": "37:54", "start_time": "37:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "37:54", "start_time": "37:54", "text": "Cool." }, { "end_time": "37:55", "start_time": "37:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "37:55", "start_time": "37:55", "text": "This I forgot." }, { "end_time": "37:55", "start_time": "37:55", "text": "Sorry." }, { "end_time": "37:56", "start_time": "37:55", "text": "Mezaan." }, { "end_time": "37:56", "start_time": "37:56", "text": "Mezaan." }, { "end_time": "37:57", "start_time": "37:56", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "38:01", "start_time": "37:57", "text": "See now again, I'm I'm, so see I really love me." }, { "end_time": "38:04", "start_time": "38:01", "text": "Although I hated the movie, I thought it was really bad movie to be made." }, { "end_time": "38:07", "start_time": "38:04", "text": "I told I've told, Samin is a closer friend." }, { "end_time": "38:08", "start_time": "38:07", "text": "So I told her that." }, { "end_time": "38:10", "start_time": "38:08", "text": "But I thought, is a good good actor." }, { "end_time": "38:13", "start_time": "38:10", "text": "But do you know that is also my junior and so was Sara Ali Khan?" }, { "end_time": "38:13", "start_time": "38:13", "text": "Oh, wow." }, { "end_time": "38:16", "start_time": "38:14", "text": "So, Sara, I've not been in touch with that all." }, { "end_time": "38:17", "start_time": "38:16", "text": "I didn't, like, know her well in school." }, { "end_time": "38:17", "start_time": "38:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "38:21", "start_time": "38:17", "text": "Mizan and me actually had, like, a few tips since like, cute boy, boyhood tips." }, { "end_time": "38:23", "start_time": "38:21", "text": "And the first movie I sent him, like, a best of luck man." }, { "end_time": "38:25", "start_time": "38:23", "text": "So we even we have that DIs vibe." }, { "end_time": "38:26", "start_time": "38:25", "text": "He's a real guy." }, { "end_time": "38:26", "start_time": "38:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "38:26", "start_time": "38:26", "text": "He's a very cool guy." }, { "end_time": "38:27", "start_time": "38:26", "text": "He's a beautiful guy." }, { "end_time": "38:27", "start_time": "38:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "38:28", "start_time": "38:28", "text": "Talented." }, { "end_time": "38:30", "start_time": "38:29", "text": "And very confident." }, { "end_time": "38:31", "start_time": "38:30", "text": "Very confident." }, { "end_time": "38:33", "start_time": "38:31", "text": "Even from time he was in school, he had a lot of personality." }, { "end_time": "38:33", "start_time": "38:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "38:34", "start_time": "38:33", "text": "I remember." }, { "end_time": "38:35", "start_time": "38:34", "text": "I think Friday the movie released." }, { "end_time": "38:36", "start_time": "38:35", "text": "Saturday, I met him at a party." }, { "end_time": "38:39", "start_time": "38:37", "text": "And he said, so I said I'll go for the movie tomorrow day after." }, { "end_time": "38:40", "start_time": "38:39", "text": "So he said, go watch it." }, { "end_time": "38:41", "start_time": "38:40", "text": "I killed it." }, { "end_time": "38:42", "start_time": "38:41", "text": "So I said, cool." }, { "end_time": "38:42", "start_time": "38:42", "text": "Cool." }, { "end_time": "38:43", "start_time": "38:42", "text": "I'll watch it." }, { "end_time": "38:44", "start_time": "38:43", "text": "Calm down." }, { "end_time": "38:47", "start_time": "38:44", "text": "So I mean, I didn't like the movie, but I thought he was, like, quite good." }, { "end_time": "38:53", "start_time": "38:48", "text": "But like again, I think from the debuts this year, yeah, I think it's very like, patchy." }, { "end_time": "38:54", "start_time": "38:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "38:54", "start_time": "38:54", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "38:54", "start_time": "38:54", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "38:55", "start_time": "38:54", "text": "Fine." }, { "end_time": "38:58", "start_time": "38:55", "text": "I'm quite excited for a few debuts that are coming up, you know." }, { "end_time": "39:04", "start_time": "38:58", "text": "From the other from the girls, I'm really excited about, Ananya for sure and Sara." }, { "end_time": "39:05", "start_time": "39:04", "text": "Oh, crazy." }, { "end_time": "39:05", "start_time": "39:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "39:05", "start_time": "39:05", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "39:06", "start_time": "39:05", "text": "Crazy." }, { "end_time": "39:07", "start_time": "39:06", "text": "I yeah." }, { "end_time": "39:08", "start_time": "39:07", "text": "I think she's damn good." }, { "end_time": "39:11", "start_time": "39:08", "text": "And like, I wanna ask you specifically about Ranveer Singh." }, { "end_time": "39:12", "start_time": "39:11", "text": "He came up." }, { "end_time": "39:13", "start_time": "39:12", "text": "What has made you You are a fan." }, { "end_time": "39:13", "start_time": "39:13", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "39:15", "start_time": "39:13", "text": "I'll give you a Ranveer Singh story." }, { "end_time": "39:16", "start_time": "39:15", "text": "We're family friends." }, { "end_time": "39:17", "start_time": "39:16", "text": "And this I got no." }, { "end_time": "39:18", "start_time": "39:17", "text": "Actually very Oh, really?" }, { "end_time": "39:21", "start_time": "39:18", "text": "Like, as in, like, our parents knew each other and our grandparents knew each other." }, { "end_time": "39:21", "start_time": "39:21", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "39:21", "start_time": "39:21", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "39:24", "start_time": "39:21", "text": "But the age difference between me and him was so much that I think we never chilled." }, { "end_time": "39:27", "start_time": "39:24", "text": "We just swim together at this place called the Otter's Club when we were kids." }, { "end_time": "39:28", "start_time": "39:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "39:28", "start_time": "39:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "39:30", "start_time": "39:28", "text": "And I remember this dude coming with, like, crazy hairstyles on." }, { "end_time": "39:33", "start_time": "39:30", "text": "Later on in life, like, 2 years back, my mom went, you remember that dude?" }, { "end_time": "39:34", "start_time": "39:33", "text": "That was amazing." }, { "end_time": "39:35", "start_time": "39:34", "text": "Oh, okay." }, { "end_time": "39:35", "start_time": "39:35", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "39:36", "start_time": "39:35", "text": "So I'll I'll give you a cute story." }, { "end_time": "39:38", "start_time": "39:36", "text": "And again, this is a true story." }, { "end_time": "39:42", "start_time": "39:38", "text": "So, my family has a bad history with first names." }, { "end_time": "39:44", "start_time": "39:42", "text": "And, yeah." }, { "end_time": "39:46", "start_time": "39:44", "text": "Like my first name on my birth certificate was gonna be Ajitab." }, { "end_time": "39:50", "start_time": "39:47", "text": "Like Ajitaab." }, { "end_time": "39:51", "start_time": "39:50", "text": "Now now that's where it gets I'm keen." }, { "end_time": "39:53", "start_time": "39:52", "text": "This is where it gets interesting." }, { "end_time": "39:53", "start_time": "39:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "39:56", "start_time": "39:53", "text": "So my mom was clearly cosmopolitan lady." }, { "end_time": "40:00", "start_time": "39:56", "text": "And she was like, yo, my kids are not gonna be called Ajitaab no matter what happens." }, { "end_time": "40:01", "start_time": "40:00", "text": "And she's like, you know what?" }, { "end_time": "40:03", "start_time": "40:02", "text": "Chotu's son, his name is Ranveer." }, { "end_time": "40:06", "start_time": "40:03", "text": "So why do we name this kid after, like, Chotu's son?" }, { "end_time": "40:08", "start_time": "40:06", "text": "And that Ranveer turned out to be Ranveer Singh Bhavnani." }, { "end_time": "40:11", "start_time": "40:09", "text": "And this Ranveer turned out to be beer biceps, baby." }, { "end_time": "40:13", "start_time": "40:12", "text": "That is damn cool." }, { "end_time": "40:14", "start_time": "40:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "40:17", "start_time": "40:14", "text": "So But you should like fall on your mother's feet every day." }, { "end_time": "40:22", "start_time": "40:18", "text": "Can you imagine being called Ajitaab and going to school and college?" }, { "end_time": "40:27", "start_time": "40:22", "text": "And, I think a lot of the girls who have ended up dating have said that, you know, I kind of half dated you for your name." }, { "end_time": "40:29", "start_time": "40:27", "text": "So as in not because of Ranveer Singh, Ranveer is just a hot name." }, { "end_time": "40:32", "start_time": "40:29", "text": "Ranveer means what does it mean, man?" }, { "end_time": "40:32", "start_time": "40:32", "text": "I forgot." }, { "end_time": "40:33", "start_time": "40:32", "text": "Brave on the battlefield." }, { "end_time": "40:35", "start_time": "40:34", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "40:37", "start_time": "40:36", "text": "Whatever the battlefield means." }, { "end_time": "40:37", "start_time": "40:37", "text": "Uh-huh." }, { "end_time": "40:38", "start_time": "40:37", "text": "Oh, yeah." }, { "end_time": "40:42", "start_time": "40:38", "text": "And that's something I I kind of have put as a deep thought in my head." }, { "end_time": "40:42", "start_time": "40:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "40:43", "start_time": "40:42", "text": "Like It's like Ranveer Singh." }, { "end_time": "40:44", "start_time": "40:43", "text": "On the battlefield, you're like, be brave." }, { "end_time": "40:45", "start_time": "40:44", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "40:46", "start_time": "40:45", "text": "But we do what you wouldn't do usually." }, { "end_time": "40:47", "start_time": "40:47", "text": "In line." }, { "end_time": "40:48", "start_time": "40:47", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "40:51", "start_time": "40:48", "text": "Ranveer Singh, why has his career taken off?" }, { "end_time": "40:52", "start_time": "40:51", "text": "What has he done correct?" }, { "end_time": "40:56", "start_time": "40:52", "text": "Other than, you know, the obvious things that people know like, oh, he selected the right movies." }, { "end_time": "40:56", "start_time": "40:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "40:58", "start_time": "40:56", "text": "Has he has there been a right place, right time thing for him?" }, { "end_time": "41:00", "start_time": "40:58", "text": "Is he a hardworking guy?" }, { "end_time": "41:08", "start_time": "41:00", "text": "See, I mean, of course, now with Ranveer from the from see, again, he's not a personal friend." }, { "end_time": "41:12", "start_time": "41:09", "text": "Not there are mutual friends there, of course." }, { "end_time": "41:15", "start_time": "41:12", "text": "But from what I've heard, I mean, he, I don't think admits this or like whatever." }, { "end_time": "41:21", "start_time": "41:15", "text": "From the story that I've heard, there there was like an involvement of money in like launching himself and all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "41:30", "start_time": "41:21", "text": "And now this is like a weird, I think, nepotistic situation where like you've sort of are like involved in the industry through money as a factor and then sort of Yeah." }, { "end_time": "41:33", "start_time": "41:30", "text": "But dude, that's like that's like a 1,000 other people who launched like Yeah." }, { "end_time": "41:33", "start_time": "41:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "41:33", "start_time": "41:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "41:33", "start_time": "41:33", "text": "Correct." }, { "end_time": "41:33", "start_time": "41:33", "text": "Correct." }, { "end_time": "41:35", "start_time": "41:33", "text": "So what's what's made him the new shark?" }, { "end_time": "41:35", "start_time": "41:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "41:41", "start_time": "41:35", "text": "So of course like there is, like, money playing a part in, like, launching yourself." }, { "end_time": "41:44", "start_time": "41:41", "text": "But in in these cases, I have no problem when there's so much talent." }, { "end_time": "41:45", "start_time": "41:44", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "41:56", "start_time": "41:45", "text": "But I just feel like it's this crazy energy and, like, no inhibition and, like, a very, like, metro sexual comfort Like much more." }, { "end_time": "41:56", "start_time": "41:56", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "41:57", "start_time": "41:56", "text": "Like Yeah." }, { "end_time": "41:57", "start_time": "41:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "41:58", "start_time": "41:57", "text": "He's like a man." }, { "end_time": "41:59", "start_time": "41:58", "text": "Like a guy's guy." }, { "end_time": "42:00", "start_time": "41:59", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "42:06", "start_time": "42:00", "text": "But he's also very like modern and contemporary and like like like, what do you call it?" }, { "end_time": "42:07", "start_time": "42:06", "text": "It's he's not like Approachable." }, { "end_time": "42:08", "start_time": "42:07", "text": "He he is approachable." }, { "end_time": "42:11", "start_time": "42:08", "text": "And like, he's just like, he's a boy's boy." }, { "end_time": "42:11", "start_time": "42:11", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "42:13", "start_time": "42:11", "text": "But he's also like the the sweetheart." }, { "end_time": "42:13", "start_time": "42:13", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "42:13", "start_time": "42:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:13", "start_time": "42:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:20", "start_time": "42:13", "text": "He's also the I mean, he he's not like he's not Salman Khan who you would be scared of." }, { "end_time": "42:20", "start_time": "42:20", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "42:27", "start_time": "42:20", "text": "He's like he's like a guy who guys can look up to and like like but he's also be a yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:27", "start_time": "42:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:28", "start_time": "42:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:29", "start_time": "42:28", "text": "Also very approachable." }, { "end_time": "42:30", "start_time": "42:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:33", "start_time": "42:30", "text": "And he does all of these crazy things and, like, it's hard to ignore." }, { "end_time": "42:34", "start_time": "42:33", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "42:38", "start_time": "42:34", "text": "Like, it's just I mean I mean, I'm Ashar is very good with strategies." }, { "end_time": "42:45", "start_time": "42:38", "text": "And, like, you are just putting this out and, like, I mean, if you're dancing on linking road, then, like, where will I ignore you?" }, { "end_time": "42:45", "start_time": "42:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:45", "start_time": "42:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:46", "start_time": "42:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:46", "start_time": "42:46", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "42:53", "start_time": "42:46", "text": "Are there 2 power houses of Bollywood currently, like, Dharma Productions and Yash Raj in terms of I obviously, they're the powers in terms of film production." }, { "end_time": "42:53", "start_time": "42:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:57", "start_time": "42:53", "text": "But do they control the pawns on the chessboard?" }, { "end_time": "42:57", "start_time": "42:57", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "42:58", "start_time": "42:57", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "42:58", "start_time": "42:58", "text": "It's not like that?" }, { "end_time": "42:59", "start_time": "42:58", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "42:59", "start_time": "42:59", "text": "Not at all." }, { "end_time": "43:06", "start_time": "42:59", "text": "I think it's it's I mean, see now when you say Yash Rajan Daima Productions, you're talking about, 2 big organizations." }, { "end_time": "43:07", "start_time": "43:06", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "43:08", "start_time": "43:07", "text": "I think it's people." }, { "end_time": "43:08", "start_time": "43:08", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "43:13", "start_time": "43:08", "text": "I think it's it's select few people in these Yeah." }, { "end_time": "43:15", "start_time": "43:13", "text": "And which is which is very cool." }, { "end_time": "43:16", "start_time": "43:15", "text": "I I have no problem with that." }, { "end_time": "43:21", "start_time": "43:16", "text": "Because I think, in so many years that they have been in the industry, they've earned the right to." }, { "end_time": "43:23", "start_time": "43:21", "text": "And they have that power and kudos to them." }, { "end_time": "43:24", "start_time": "43:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "43:24", "start_time": "43:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "43:31", "start_time": "43:24", "text": "I mean, this is like I'd never be this is not I mean, not that I want to do any of these things, but, like, it's insane." }, { "end_time": "43:31", "start_time": "43:31", "text": "Yeah, bro." }, { "end_time": "43:40", "start_time": "43:31", "text": "I mean, for for someone to have that kind of power for, like, you know, if, like I'm sure if Karen picks up his call, picks up a call on somebody and says I want you to do this, I'm sure people will do it." }, { "end_time": "43:40", "start_time": "43:40", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "43:45", "start_time": "43:40", "text": "And I'm sure that's the same case with, like, Aditya Chopra who is Yash Raj." }, { "end_time": "43:50", "start_time": "43:45", "text": "And of course, it's true that, they have some of the biggest talent in the country." }, { "end_time": "43:50", "start_time": "43:50", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "43:52", "start_time": "43:50", "text": "I mean, And they're very smart businessmen as well." }, { "end_time": "43:53", "start_time": "43:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "43:53", "start_time": "43:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "44:02", "start_time": "43:53", "text": "Adharma manages, I mean, unless you put out a but but Adharma has like Adharma has Varun and Alia and Vicky." }, { "end_time": "44:03", "start_time": "44:02", "text": "I mean, that's a great decision." }, { "end_time": "44:04", "start_time": "44:03", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "44:14", "start_time": "44:04", "text": "Adharma, which only had like, the commercially viable, like the massy stars now also acquired Vicky as their talent." }, { "end_time": "44:19", "start_time": "44:14", "text": "It's Vicky's in house Dharma Talent now who's managed by Matrix who usually manages Dharma's talent." }, { "end_time": "44:20", "start_time": "44:19", "text": "So there's Vicky." }, { "end_time": "44:22", "start_time": "44:20", "text": "There's Akshay." }, { "end_time": "44:25", "start_time": "44:23", "text": "There is, Farooon Alia." }, { "end_time": "44:30", "start_time": "44:25", "text": "There is, I think Tara." }, { "end_time": "44:32", "start_time": "44:30", "text": "Tara I think is Dharma." }, { "end_time": "44:33", "start_time": "44:32", "text": "So stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "44:38", "start_time": "44:33", "text": "And Yash Raja, Anushka, Parniti, Ayushman, Arjun, all of these people." }, { "end_time": "44:39", "start_time": "44:38", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "44:41", "start_time": "44:39", "text": "Got So but like SmackDown versus Raw." }, { "end_time": "44:42", "start_time": "44:41", "text": "Do you get that's a WWE Raw?" }, { "end_time": "44:42", "start_time": "44:42", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "44:43", "start_time": "44:42", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "44:43", "start_time": "44:43", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "44:44", "start_time": "44:43", "text": "Never mind lad." }, { "end_time": "44:45", "start_time": "44:44", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "44:45", "start_time": "44:45", "text": "But go ahead." }, { "end_time": "44:46", "start_time": "44:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "44:46", "start_time": "44:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "44:50", "start_time": "44:46", "text": "So I mean, so there are big important people in both these places." }, { "end_time": "44:55", "start_time": "44:50", "text": "But I don't think I don't think it's 2 big agencies or organizations just controlling everything, you know." }, { "end_time": "44:56", "start_time": "44:55", "text": "I think it's people." }, { "end_time": "44:56", "start_time": "44:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:00", "start_time": "44:56", "text": "But there are also, again, there are also other things." }, { "end_time": "45:04", "start_time": "45:00", "text": "Like Dinesh Vijayan who's who has Maddock." }, { "end_time": "45:05", "start_time": "45:05", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "45:07", "start_time": "45:05", "text": "He's making some really cool movies." }, { "end_time": "45:12", "start_time": "45:08", "text": "That's also like but I mean, it's probably not as big as dharma because dharma comes with that kind of leading agent." }, { "end_time": "45:15", "start_time": "45:12", "text": "Yash Raj comes with the Ash Chopra and that leading agent and all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "45:17", "start_time": "45:15", "text": "It's like Lannister and Starks and then there's like Yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:17", "start_time": "45:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:19", "start_time": "45:17", "text": "Oh, GOT reference I get." }, { "end_time": "45:19", "start_time": "45:19", "text": "But yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:21", "start_time": "45:20", "text": "But Okay." }, { "end_time": "45:21", "start_time": "45:21", "text": "Cool." }, { "end_time": "45:23", "start_time": "45:21", "text": "So that was Bollywood." }, { "end_time": "45:25", "start_time": "45:23", "text": "I also wanna ask you because you're kind of on the digital side as well." }, { "end_time": "45:27", "start_time": "45:25", "text": "You interviewed digital people." }, { "end_time": "45:28", "start_time": "45:27", "text": "You interviewed TikTok stars." }, { "end_time": "45:32", "start_time": "45:28", "text": "You interviewed you know, you've you've I've been told heavily for this TikTok decision I have made." }, { "end_time": "45:32", "start_time": "45:32", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "45:35", "start_time": "45:32", "text": "But but you you basically know the digital space as well." }, { "end_time": "45:36", "start_time": "45:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:37", "start_time": "45:36", "text": "Webras." }, { "end_time": "45:42", "start_time": "45:37", "text": "So, like, I want to know how digital people are different from Bollywood people." }, { "end_time": "45:45", "start_time": "45:43", "text": "Like, say a Bionic beer biceps." }, { "end_time": "45:49", "start_time": "45:45", "text": "When you first interviewed us, when you first chided with us, How's the world and same with Prajakta, Bhuvan." }, { "end_time": "45:50", "start_time": "45:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:52", "start_time": "45:50", "text": "How is the vibe different from like chilling with a body weight person?" }, { "end_time": "45:54", "start_time": "45:52", "text": "And you're a psychology major." }, { "end_time": "45:56", "start_time": "45:54", "text": "So break it down to like the T." }, { "end_time": "45:56", "start_time": "45:56", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "46:04", "start_time": "45:57", "text": "See, I mean see, I'm not a very like, I do each to his own." }, { "end_time": "46:06", "start_time": "46:04", "text": "Like, each person has their own vibe." }, { "end_time": "46:06", "start_time": "46:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:11", "start_time": "46:06", "text": "I mean, see, I mean, I can draw differences if I spin down to it." }, { "end_time": "46:17", "start_time": "46:11", "text": "But I'll tell you, like, for me, I'm not an advocate of, like, you know, when people say, like, because they are from Bollywood, they will act a certain way." }, { "end_time": "46:20", "start_time": "46:17", "text": "And, like, because stardom and all of that, there are people who do that." }, { "end_time": "46:21", "start_time": "46:20", "text": "There are people who don't." }, { "end_time": "46:26", "start_time": "46:21", "text": "You know, I'm sure in, like, digital space also, there might be people who come with, like, an airy vibe to them." }, { "end_time": "46:29", "start_time": "46:26", "text": "And like, you know, we are like the thing or whatever." }, { "end_time": "46:34", "start_time": "46:29", "text": "I mean, but thankfully I have met 4 of you guys that I've interacted with Bibi Bhuvan or Prajakta and you and Nick." }, { "end_time": "46:36", "start_time": "46:34", "text": "I've just had like the best time." }, { "end_time": "46:38", "start_time": "46:37", "text": "We've had fun." }, { "end_time": "46:48", "start_time": "46:38", "text": "And I really like the fact that I mean now I don't know if once like this big boom and like, like if you will change and like the the way like the entourage and all of that." }, { "end_time": "46:52", "start_time": "46:48", "text": "But like of course with Bollywood, like it's a thing to walk around with 15 people." }, { "end_time": "46:52", "start_time": "46:52", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "46:53", "start_time": "46:52", "text": "There is no need for that." }, { "end_time": "46:57", "start_time": "46:53", "text": "There are people who walk around with bodyguards who no one is clicking a picture with." }, { "end_time": "46:59", "start_time": "46:57", "text": "Like, there is no need." }, { "end_time": "47:00", "start_time": "46:59", "text": "But like, it's it's become a thing." }, { "end_time": "47:04", "start_time": "47:00", "text": "You need one manager, you need one PR, you need your makeup, style, their assistant." }, { "end_time": "47:07", "start_time": "47:05", "text": "I'll I'll tell you the difference between digital and Bollywood." }, { "end_time": "47:09", "start_time": "47:07", "text": "In Bollywood, I think people chase entourages." }, { "end_time": "47:12", "start_time": "47:10", "text": "In digital, even if you don't have an entourage, the entourage just gets creative." }, { "end_time": "47:13", "start_time": "47:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:13", "start_time": "47:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:14", "start_time": "47:13", "text": "That's that's one difference." }, { "end_time": "47:14", "start_time": "47:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:15", "start_time": "47:14", "text": "But it's cool." }, { "end_time": "47:21", "start_time": "47:15", "text": "But like, I like the vibe of digital because I feel like it's a growing space and, it might change Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:25", "start_time": "47:21", "text": "Like once it becomes like, I still feel like we are on the growing Yes." }, { "end_time": "47:26", "start_time": "47:25", "text": "Like, the graph." }, { "end_time": "47:30", "start_time": "47:26", "text": "But, like, once it, like, hits that level, now I don't know if it'll change things or whatever." }, { "end_time": "47:32", "start_time": "47:30", "text": "But I really like the vibe now." }, { "end_time": "47:32", "start_time": "47:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:35", "start_time": "47:32", "text": "Because I feel like it's a very approachable, very chilled out, very fun." }, { "end_time": "47:36", "start_time": "47:35", "text": "Real." }, { "end_time": "47:36", "start_time": "47:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:37", "start_time": "47:36", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "47:37", "start_time": "47:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:42", "start_time": "47:38", "text": "Now my next question to you is kind of not related to Bollywood, but it's just this conversation we've had once." }, { "end_time": "47:42", "start_time": "47:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:46", "start_time": "47:42", "text": "It's what 2 people I look up to for their professional prowess, KL Rahul and Hardik Pandya." }, { "end_time": "47:47", "start_time": "47:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:48", "start_time": "47:47", "text": "After the whole Karan Johar controversy." }, { "end_time": "47:55", "start_time": "47:48", "text": "I mean, of course, what they said wasn't appropriate, but in saying that, can you, like, elaborate a little bit how these brothers in, like, real life?" }, { "end_time": "48:02", "start_time": "47:55", "text": "Because in terms of a cricket fan, like, from a cricket fan, Kia Raul is in some books considered the next Rahul Raul." }, { "end_time": "48:04", "start_time": "48:03", "text": "Hardik Pandya is couple of days successor." }, { "end_time": "48:08", "start_time": "48:05", "text": "These guys are have huge potential in the world of cricket." }, { "end_time": "48:11", "start_time": "48:08", "text": "And every single Indian Cricket fan back KL Rahul Hardik Pandya on the pitch." }, { "end_time": "48:12", "start_time": "48:11", "text": "Like, we want them to do well." }, { "end_time": "48:15", "start_time": "48:12", "text": "We want to see them becoming legends of Indian cricket." }, { "end_time": "48:15", "start_time": "48:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:16", "start_time": "48:15", "text": "What are these brothers like in real life?" }, { "end_time": "48:17", "start_time": "48:16", "text": "Because they're close friends of yours." }, { "end_time": "48:18", "start_time": "48:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:18", "start_time": "48:18", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:27", "start_time": "48:18", "text": "So KL and I met even I mean, the first time we met, that only was one controversy because, I met Suni, Kail, Nidi, and Nidi Agarwal, who is your yoga too." }, { "end_time": "48:27", "start_time": "48:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:30", "start_time": "48:27", "text": "Who's one of my closest friends because she went to college with me." }, { "end_time": "48:31", "start_time": "48:30", "text": "She was my senior there." }, { "end_time": "48:32", "start_time": "48:31", "text": "She wouldn't admit it." }, { "end_time": "48:33", "start_time": "48:32", "text": "And she's also gorgeous." }, { "end_time": "48:34", "start_time": "48:33", "text": "She is beautiful." }, { "end_time": "48:36", "start_time": "48:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:38", "start_time": "48:36", "text": "Nidi's single, by the way." }, { "end_time": "48:38", "start_time": "48:38", "text": "Oh." }, { "end_time": "48:38", "start_time": "48:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:39", "start_time": "48:38", "text": "But she doesn't do her yoga, man." }, { "end_time": "48:41", "start_time": "48:39", "text": "So it's not my vibe." }, { "end_time": "48:42", "start_time": "48:42", "text": "Excuse me." }, { "end_time": "48:44", "start_time": "48:43", "text": "Don't talk shit about my best friend." }, { "end_time": "48:46", "start_time": "48:44", "text": "But anyway, that's fine." }, { "end_time": "48:47", "start_time": "48:46", "text": "She works out." }, { "end_time": "48:48", "start_time": "48:47", "text": "Cool." }, { "end_time": "48:48", "start_time": "48:48", "text": "I'll no." }, { "end_time": "48:49", "start_time": "48:48", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "48:49", "start_time": "48:49", "text": "Whatever." }, { "end_time": "48:50", "start_time": "48:49", "text": "It's 1 fourth of the game one." }, { "end_time": "48:52", "start_time": "48:51", "text": "Go on." }, { "end_time": "48:54", "start_time": "48:52", "text": "What a bitch this person is." }, { "end_time": "48:56", "start_time": "48:54", "text": "I thought I was bitchy." }, { "end_time": "48:57", "start_time": "48:56", "text": "He's sassier than I am." }, { "end_time": "48:58", "start_time": "48:57", "text": "Well done." }, { "end_time": "49:00", "start_time": "48:58", "text": "Just being my digital self." }, { "end_time": "49:00", "start_time": "49:00", "text": "Oh, okay." }, { "end_time": "49:01", "start_time": "49:00", "text": "Cool." }, { "end_time": "49:03", "start_time": "49:01", "text": "So, Nidi, me, Krish Krishna was in there." }, { "end_time": "49:06", "start_time": "49:03", "text": "There was Rahul, KL and a couple of other friends." }, { "end_time": "49:09", "start_time": "49:07", "text": "So we all went to this place in Bandra for coffee." }, { "end_time": "49:11", "start_time": "49:09", "text": "That's when I met him for the first time." }, { "end_time": "49:17", "start_time": "49:11", "text": "And then he when we went down, obviously, Cricket Bollywood though is like in this country is like the biggest two poles." }, { "end_time": "49:17", "start_time": "49:17", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "49:20", "start_time": "49:17", "text": "And they got everyone got papped and then the next day they were like, okay." }, { "end_time": "49:24", "start_time": "49:20", "text": "Now this is a relation Because I think after Virat and Anushka they couldn't find anybody." }, { "end_time": "49:26", "start_time": "49:24", "text": "So they were like this next." }, { "end_time": "49:26", "start_time": "49:26", "text": "But there was nothing." }, { "end_time": "49:28", "start_time": "49:26", "text": "There was no conversation." }, { "end_time": "49:31", "start_time": "49:28", "text": "There was no like nothing that was going on between them." }, { "end_time": "49:32", "start_time": "49:31", "text": "Friends from Bangalore met." }, { "end_time": "49:39", "start_time": "49:33", "text": "But like Hardik again, I met through, Rahul at one of the parties." }, { "end_time": "49:43", "start_time": "49:40", "text": "And but they are very chill people in in real life." }, { "end_time": "49:52", "start_time": "49:43", "text": "And I see I mean, the only place that I disagree with you a little bit because you said it was slightly inappropriate for them to say that, but I don't think it was inappropriate at all." }, { "end_time": "49:53", "start_time": "49:52", "text": "I'll tell you why." }, { "end_time": "50:00", "start_time": "49:54", "text": "Because see, because I've had personal conversations with Hardik, I feel like, like he talks like this." }, { "end_time": "50:00", "start_time": "50:00", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "50:02", "start_time": "50:00", "text": "And I think as brothers, we all talk like that." }, { "end_time": "50:04", "start_time": "50:02", "text": "Like there are things that we would see now." }, { "end_time": "50:10", "start_time": "50:04", "text": "My the only problem for me is you should be a little careful about where you're seeing this." }, { "end_time": "50:11", "start_time": "50:10", "text": "I don't think it was inappropriate." }, { "end_time": "50:18", "start_time": "50:11", "text": "You just talked about like how many girls that you've slept with or whatever like or that you go to a party or that you slept with this one, this one." }, { "end_time": "50:21", "start_time": "50:18", "text": "I mean that, I mean, you're not saying that only guys can say this." }, { "end_time": "50:25", "start_time": "50:22", "text": "A girl also on that show, like many girls talk about all of these things." }, { "end_time": "50:26", "start_time": "50:25", "text": "So that doesn't make it sexist." }, { "end_time": "50:29", "start_time": "50:26", "text": "That doesn't make that doesn't mean that they're demeaning those women." }, { "end_time": "50:31", "start_time": "50:29", "text": "They're not saying anything bad about those women." }, { "end_time": "50:34", "start_time": "50:31", "text": "They're saying that maybe he slept with these people or like, you know, whatever." }, { "end_time": "50:37", "start_time": "50:34", "text": "There are times when you're having casual sex or whatever, which is very cool." }, { "end_time": "50:39", "start_time": "50:37", "text": "I mean, how can you like no, that's a big deal." }, { "end_time": "50:48", "start_time": "50:39", "text": "You can't like make suddenly, like you can't make, oh, they're degrading women or like I mean, of course you have to be very careful about what you say in a public platform, which is a very big talk show." }, { "end_time": "50:53", "start_time": "50:49", "text": "Because then obviously people have that space to digest, I mean, dissect it." }, { "end_time": "50:59", "start_time": "50:53", "text": "And people in this country have in the world have a lot of time and especially with cricket being the gentleman's game and all of that." }, { "end_time": "51:01", "start_time": "50:59", "text": "You have to be extra careful." }, { "end_time": "51:02", "start_time": "51:01", "text": "So that's the only thing." }, { "end_time": "51:05", "start_time": "51:02", "text": "But I really thought they were really cool and cool and that's so poor." }, { "end_time": "51:08", "start_time": "51:05", "text": "Rahul, he said no word in it but still got into trouble." }, { "end_time": "51:11", "start_time": "51:08", "text": "But like, but yeah, I think I thought it was really chill." }, { "end_time": "51:11", "start_time": "51:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "51:13", "start_time": "51:12", "text": "He, I mean, he talks like this." }, { "end_time": "51:17", "start_time": "51:13", "text": "And I'm glad that he was his real self, but, like, just Yeah." }, { "end_time": "51:19", "start_time": "51:18", "text": "Just like to give you the victor." }, { "end_time": "51:19", "start_time": "51:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "51:21", "start_time": "51:19", "text": "To give you the cricket fans perspective." }, { "end_time": "51:21", "start_time": "51:21", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "51:23", "start_time": "51:21", "text": "Because I think we're coming from 2 different sides." }, { "end_time": "51:23", "start_time": "51:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "51:23", "start_time": "51:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "51:25", "start_time": "51:23", "text": "To give you the cricket fans perspective, bro." }, { "end_time": "51:29", "start_time": "51:25", "text": "And this is also something I feel as a fitness and lifestyle influencer." }, { "end_time": "51:33", "start_time": "51:30", "text": "Your thoughts, actions, words you say have a huge impact on young kids." }, { "end_time": "51:34", "start_time": "51:33", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "51:34", "start_time": "51:34", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "51:38", "start_time": "51:34", "text": "So that's where the cricket fan came in and got offended because in our country, cricketers are gods." }, { "end_time": "51:42", "start_time": "51:39", "text": "So anything a cricketer says, it becomes a part of a kid's mindset." }, { "end_time": "51:45", "start_time": "51:42", "text": "So they might have said it in a casual fun way." }, { "end_time": "51:46", "start_time": "51:45", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "51:49", "start_time": "51:46", "text": "Like, as we said, and I understand their perspective as bros." }, { "end_time": "51:58", "start_time": "51:49", "text": "But, what they kind of look past is that do this like 11, 12 year old kid who's just coming to terms with his own sexuality and he settings in some corner of the country in like a village." }, { "end_time": "52:06", "start_time": "51:58", "text": "He's probably listening to that guy's words and saying, okay, so these guys are chill about, you know, talking about sex and women so casually, even I'll become that casual." }, { "end_time": "52:10", "start_time": "52:07", "text": "And then it becomes a case of Chinese whispers of thoughts." }, { "end_time": "52:11", "start_time": "52:10", "text": "But I'll tell you something Ranvir." }, { "end_time": "52:11", "start_time": "52:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:19", "start_time": "52:11", "text": "Now see the thing is, we've been in the entertainment industry where like people are actors or directors or like writers, whatever." }, { "end_time": "52:21", "start_time": "52:19", "text": "And in cricket or sports, whatever." }, { "end_time": "52:28", "start_time": "52:22", "text": "Now when I if I'm signing a movie contract or if I'm signing the Indian cricket team contract, what do I sign?" }, { "end_time": "52:33", "start_time": "52:28", "text": "I sign that I will put in all my hard work for to to win." }, { "end_time": "52:33", "start_time": "52:33", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "52:34", "start_time": "52:33", "text": "To win in the sport." }, { "end_time": "52:37", "start_time": "52:34", "text": "Am I signing a contract to be the role model for the country?" }, { "end_time": "52:37", "start_time": "52:37", "text": "I'm not." }, { "end_time": "52:38", "start_time": "52:37", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "52:40", "start_time": "52:38", "text": "I mean, I am in the Indian cricketing because I can play cricket." }, { "end_time": "52:41", "start_time": "52:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:41", "start_time": "52:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:44", "start_time": "52:41", "text": "Am I like I mean, are we put Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:46", "start_time": "52:44", "text": "Trying and putting up Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:49", "start_time": "52:46", "text": "This thing is also curse of being at that pedestal." }, { "end_time": "52:49", "start_time": "52:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:50", "start_time": "52:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:53", "start_time": "52:50", "text": "Because see, I think and I think that people need to understand." }, { "end_time": "53:02", "start_time": "52:54", "text": "See, now it's about censoring content to maybe people who wouldn't understand it and wouldn't, intake it properly." }, { "end_time": "53:05", "start_time": "53:03", "text": "Maybe a 9 year old child might not get it." }, { "end_time": "53:07", "start_time": "53:05", "text": "Then maybe restrict the content Yeah." }, { "end_time": "53:08", "start_time": "53:07", "text": "Like that." }, { "end_time": "53:12", "start_time": "53:08", "text": "Because I feel like you can't make somebody a 100% perfect." }, { "end_time": "53:13", "start_time": "53:12", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "53:15", "start_time": "53:13", "text": "You can't be I mean, we all have flaws." }, { "end_time": "53:15", "start_time": "53:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "53:16", "start_time": "53:15", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "53:17", "start_time": "53:16", "text": "We all talk a certain way." }, { "end_time": "53:23", "start_time": "53:17", "text": "But like, because I am in this industry, because I'm a cricketer, I'm an actor, yeah, I have to be perfect." }, { "end_time": "53:23", "start_time": "53:23", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "53:24", "start_time": "53:23", "text": "I can't be." }, { "end_time": "53:25", "start_time": "53:24", "text": "So I'll be personal pressure." }, { "end_time": "53:26", "start_time": "53:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "53:29", "start_time": "53:26", "text": "It's my, I mean, it's my personal life and I'm talking about it." }, { "end_time": "53:33", "start_time": "53:29", "text": "And suddenly like, oh, you can't talk about it because you're not being a role model." }, { "end_time": "53:35", "start_time": "53:33", "text": "But where where did I where did I sign up for this?" }, { "end_time": "53:39", "start_time": "53:35", "text": "In in saying all this, the outcome has been that, as a cricket fan?" }, { "end_time": "53:42", "start_time": "53:39", "text": "Again, you've you've seen KL and Were you affected by it personally?" }, { "end_time": "53:43", "start_time": "53:42", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "53:43", "start_time": "53:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "53:45", "start_time": "53:43", "text": "Because, like, I'm I think I have my own mind." }, { "end_time": "53:46", "start_time": "53:45", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "53:46", "start_time": "53:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "53:46", "start_time": "53:46", "text": "What's it called?" }, { "end_time": "53:47", "start_time": "53:46", "text": "My my own mentality." }, { "end_time": "53:49", "start_time": "53:47", "text": "How to process information that's coming to you." }, { "end_time": "53:49", "start_time": "53:49", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "53:50", "start_time": "53:49", "text": "That's that's his opinion on things." }, { "end_time": "53:52", "start_time": "53:50", "text": "I have my own opinion on things." }, { "end_time": "53:57", "start_time": "53:52", "text": "That may not be the case for a 16 year old young cricketer who's, like, be trying to become an all rounder because Hardik wonders are all rounder." }, { "end_time": "53:58", "start_time": "53:57", "text": "And then trying to do everything Hardik does." }, { "end_time": "54:04", "start_time": "53:59", "text": "In saying that, that's why we see Virat and Dhoni as, like, the nation's biggest brands because they're good boys as well." }, { "end_time": "54:09", "start_time": "54:04", "text": "And in terms of being a cricket fan, both KL and Hardik have really stepped up Yeah." }, { "end_time": "54:10", "start_time": "54:09", "text": "After that." }, { "end_time": "54:12", "start_time": "54:10", "text": "They've both gone really serious about their games." }, { "end_time": "54:13", "start_time": "54:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "54:16", "start_time": "54:13", "text": "You see even more determination in Hardik's eyes when he's bowling." }, { "end_time": "54:17", "start_time": "54:16", "text": "He's become a way better bowler." }, { "end_time": "54:17", "start_time": "54:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "54:21", "start_time": "54:18", "text": "I'm so happy with the turns that careers have taken." }, { "end_time": "54:22", "start_time": "54:21", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "54:23", "start_time": "54:22", "text": "God bless those brothers." }, { "end_time": "54:24", "start_time": "54:23", "text": "Everyone makes mistakes." }, { "end_time": "54:28", "start_time": "54:24", "text": "I remember I sent her when this whole thing went down and they were being penalized for what they did and all that." }, { "end_time": "54:31", "start_time": "54:28", "text": "KL is a very close friend and I know him better than Hardik." }, { "end_time": "54:31", "start_time": "54:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "54:40", "start_time": "54:31", "text": "So I remember I sent him a message saying, I know this is a step back, but after this, if you come back like a lion, there'll be nothing better." }, { "end_time": "54:42", "start_time": "54:40", "text": "What was their mentality when this was going on?" }, { "end_time": "54:45", "start_time": "54:42", "text": "I mean, obviously they took in the side of the things and all of that." }, { "end_time": "54:50", "start_time": "54:45", "text": "They were, I mean, of course it's not a it's they were not playing a few matches and all of that stuff." }, { "end_time": "54:51", "start_time": "54:50", "text": "They're not something like that happened." }, { "end_time": "54:52", "start_time": "54:51", "text": "They got suspended for a while." }, { "end_time": "54:52", "start_time": "54:52", "text": "Correct." }, { "end_time": "54:54", "start_time": "54:52", "text": "But they're warriors in their hearts." }, { "end_time": "54:54", "start_time": "54:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "54:59", "start_time": "54:54", "text": "So I said, I mean, you know, like when you get it's also a cool thing." }, { "end_time": "54:59", "start_time": "54:59", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "55:05", "start_time": "54:59", "text": "Like you get sort of like pulled down a little bit and then when you come back like a lion, then that's just like crazy." }, { "end_time": "55:05", "start_time": "55:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "55:06", "start_time": "55:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "55:07", "start_time": "55:06", "text": "So I said this is what you should be doing." }, { "end_time": "55:08", "start_time": "55:07", "text": "So I sent him a sweet message." }, { "end_time": "55:10", "start_time": "55:08", "text": "He was like, thank you, you know." }, { "end_time": "55:10", "start_time": "55:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "55:12", "start_time": "55:10", "text": "So I think, yeah, I think they did that." }, { "end_time": "55:14", "start_time": "55:12", "text": "And I think now they're doing really well, I think." }, { "end_time": "55:23", "start_time": "55:14", "text": "They are and, you know, if it continues this way, I wouldn't be surprised if they become the next captain and vice captain after the current generations of, like, colleague, Rohe Sharma, and are done." }, { "end_time": "55:24", "start_time": "55:23", "text": "I think these 2 other leaders of the team." }, { "end_time": "55:26", "start_time": "55:24", "text": "Can I get some gupp from you?" }, { "end_time": "55:26", "start_time": "55:26", "text": "Go on." }, { "end_time": "55:31", "start_time": "55:26", "text": "Because you are like you're see, I'm very like I'm a little disassociated with cricket." }, { "end_time": "55:36", "start_time": "55:31", "text": "But like, I just watch it sometimes for Rahul and what happened between, Virat and, what is that?" }, { "end_time": "55:37", "start_time": "55:36", "text": "Rohit Sharma?" }, { "end_time": "55:37", "start_time": "55:37", "text": "Rohit Sharma." }, { "end_time": "55:39", "start_time": "55:38", "text": "I follow cricket very intensely." }, { "end_time": "55:40", "start_time": "55:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "55:41", "start_time": "55:40", "text": "And I feel it was a lot of media hype." }, { "end_time": "55:48", "start_time": "55:41", "text": "Rohit Sharma and Virat for true cricket fans, if you see them on the pitch, there might have been some, you know, small tiff, which happens amongst any professionals." }, { "end_time": "55:51", "start_time": "55:48", "text": "Like me and my cofounder, Viraj, we love more than my own family." }, { "end_time": "55:51", "start_time": "55:51", "text": "We have tiffs." }, { "end_time": "55:52", "start_time": "55:52", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "55:53", "start_time": "55:52", "text": "But so it was that." }, { "end_time": "55:53", "start_time": "55:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "55:57", "start_time": "55:53", "text": "When you're playing sport at that kind of a level Yeah." }, { "end_time": "55:58", "start_time": "55:57", "text": "Your teammates are your family." }, { "end_time": "56:01", "start_time": "55:59", "text": "You see that when you watch cricket as a as a cricket fan." }, { "end_time": "56:03", "start_time": "56:01", "text": "You're seeing an entire 50 o match." }, { "end_time": "56:04", "start_time": "56:03", "text": "You see an entire test match." }, { "end_time": "56:05", "start_time": "56:04", "text": "You see a Rohit and Virat talk to each other." }, { "end_time": "56:07", "start_time": "56:05", "text": "You see how they play along with each other." }, { "end_time": "56:08", "start_time": "56:07", "text": "They've had arguments on the pitch as well." }, { "end_time": "56:13", "start_time": "56:08", "text": "Like Rohit has gone Virat run out many times, but you see the love between them like brothers." }, { "end_time": "56:14", "start_time": "56:13", "text": "So it was a lot of media." }, { "end_time": "56:22", "start_time": "56:14", "text": "Even if you read the media articles, you realize that it's written from a very, It's that right." }, { "end_time": "56:23", "start_time": "56:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "56:24", "start_time": "56:23", "text": "Every Every single article was written like that." }, { "end_time": "56:27", "start_time": "56:24", "text": "He unfollowed them on Instagram and stuff like that." }, { "end_time": "56:29", "start_time": "56:27", "text": "It might have it might be a small tip." }, { "end_time": "56:30", "start_time": "56:29", "text": "It's blown up way out of proportion." }, { "end_time": "56:35", "start_time": "56:30", "text": "The next day, there was this, dressing room video that came out of Ravindra Jadeja who's another cricketer." }, { "end_time": "56:35", "start_time": "56:35", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "56:38", "start_time": "56:35", "text": "And Rohit Sharma playing a game about oh, guess the cricketer." }, { "end_time": "56:40", "start_time": "56:38", "text": "So, Jadeja imitates Kohli." }, { "end_time": "56:42", "start_time": "56:40", "text": "And Rohit Sharma says, oh, this is my boy Virat." }, { "end_time": "56:43", "start_time": "56:42", "text": "And Virat laughs in the corner." }, { "end_time": "56:45", "start_time": "56:43", "text": "And this is what he leaves us next day." }, { "end_time": "56:45", "start_time": "56:45", "text": "Oh." }, { "end_time": "56:45", "start_time": "56:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "56:46", "start_time": "56:45", "text": "So they're fine?" }, { "end_time": "56:46", "start_time": "56:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "56:47", "start_time": "56:46", "text": "They're alright." }, { "end_time": "56:48", "start_time": "56:47", "text": "It's a lot of media hype, dude." }, { "end_time": "56:48", "start_time": "56:48", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "56:51", "start_time": "56:48", "text": "That's the curse of being an actor or a cricketer." }, { "end_time": "56:56", "start_time": "56:51", "text": "That little, you know, nuggets of negativity in your life amplified and thrown out in the public." }, { "end_time": "57:00", "start_time": "56:56", "text": "And that's about social media that you've got your boy be or by yourself backing you." }, { "end_time": "57:02", "start_time": "57:00", "text": "And you've got the voice of, like, the youth backing you." }, { "end_time": "57:03", "start_time": "57:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "57:06", "start_time": "57:03", "text": "So anyway, man, that was like the interview today." }, { "end_time": "57:07", "start_time": "57:06", "text": "Hey." }, { "end_time": "57:08", "start_time": "57:07", "text": "This is fab." }, { "end_time": "57:09", "start_time": "57:08", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "57:09", "start_time": "57:09", "text": "I had a great conversation." }, { "end_time": "57:10", "start_time": "57:09", "text": "Yeah, bro." }, { "end_time": "57:12", "start_time": "57:10", "text": "One last, like, super quick question I have." }, { "end_time": "57:14", "start_time": "57:12", "text": "And this is a more personal question." }, { "end_time": "57:18", "start_time": "57:14", "text": "Dude, you have like a crazy network in like Bollywood and like cricket." }, { "end_time": "57:22", "start_time": "57:18", "text": "And, you know, you've reached out to like the biggest of the biggest people." }, { "end_time": "57:26", "start_time": "57:22", "text": "Now I wanna ask you because you're a really smart guy." }, { "end_time": "57:28", "start_time": "57:26", "text": "Your street smarts are like crazy." }, { "end_time": "57:28", "start_time": "57:28", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "57:32", "start_time": "57:28", "text": "How much have you used your psychology major degree to get ahead in life?" }, { "end_time": "57:34", "start_time": "57:32", "text": "Like how much have you used your communication skills?" }, { "end_time": "57:39", "start_time": "57:34", "text": "See, I think it's more communication skills than, reading people or whatever." }, { "end_time": "57:39", "start_time": "57:39", "text": "Not really." }, { "end_time": "57:40", "start_time": "57:39", "text": "I'll be very honest." }, { "end_time": "57:43", "start_time": "57:40", "text": "I mean, see, I did 3 years of psychology in Christ at Bangalore." }, { "end_time": "57:44", "start_time": "57:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "57:49", "start_time": "57:44", "text": "And, for my parents, I was like the happiest thing because they were like, you know, some kind of doctor he will become." }, { "end_time": "57:50", "start_time": "57:49", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "57:52", "start_time": "57:50", "text": "The Malu parents, they want that's what they wanted." }, { "end_time": "57:55", "start_time": "57:52", "text": "But I think I was always good with people, you know." }, { "end_time": "58:01", "start_time": "57:55", "text": "And and, you know, sometimes sometimes people ask me, is it just like so difficult because you have to be at a party?" }, { "end_time": "58:02", "start_time": "58:01", "text": "It's like you're always working, you know." }, { "end_time": "58:02", "start_time": "58:02", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "58:04", "start_time": "58:02", "text": "And you have to talk to everybody." }, { "end_time": "58:06", "start_time": "58:04", "text": "And for me, that's not the case." }, { "end_time": "58:07", "start_time": "58:06", "text": "I'm like this anyway." }, { "end_time": "58:07", "start_time": "58:07", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "58:09", "start_time": "58:07", "text": "I'm always talking to people." }, { "end_time": "58:12", "start_time": "58:09", "text": "I have no inhibition in going up to a person and starting a conversation." }, { "end_time": "58:15", "start_time": "58:12", "text": "I'm never like, I will wait for this person to come talk to me." }, { "end_time": "58:15", "start_time": "58:15", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "58:15", "start_time": "58:15", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "58:18", "start_time": "58:16", "text": "I'm I would I'm I'm a people's person." }, { "end_time": "58:20", "start_time": "58:18", "text": "I've always been a people's person." }, { "end_time": "58:23", "start_time": "58:20", "text": "I talk to everybody unless I don't want to." }, { "end_time": "58:27", "start_time": "58:23", "text": "Like, if I don't want to, like, if I don't like, that's a different thing." }, { "end_time": "58:29", "start_time": "58:27", "text": "But, like, I'm very chill with people." }, { "end_time": "58:32", "start_time": "58:29", "text": "So you think being a people's person pays off the most in your career?" }, { "end_time": "58:32", "start_time": "58:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "58:33", "start_time": "58:32", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "58:34", "start_time": "58:33", "text": "In my career at least." }, { "end_time": "58:34", "start_time": "58:34", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "58:35", "start_time": "58:34", "text": "In any career, bro." }, { "end_time": "58:36", "start_time": "58:35", "text": "Especially in the industry." }, { "end_time": "58:37", "start_time": "58:36", "text": "But Okay." }, { "end_time": "58:39", "start_time": "58:37", "text": "I've worked in, like, hardcore engineering industries and even that's all Yeah." }, { "end_time": "58:40", "start_time": "58:39", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "58:45", "start_time": "58:40", "text": "Because teamwork and, like, you know, like working in a group, working with people, all of that's always very important." }, { "end_time": "58:49", "start_time": "58:45", "text": "For me, it was very important that, I mean, I never studied journalism." }, { "end_time": "58:51", "start_time": "58:50", "text": "I never wanted to be a journalist." }, { "end_time": "58:52", "start_time": "58:51", "text": "I'm not qualified to be 1." }, { "end_time": "58:54", "start_time": "58:52", "text": "I didn't want to be called 1." }, { "end_time": "59:01", "start_time": "58:54", "text": "Because I think sometimes it comes with a bit of a negative connotation because then you sound like this person who's always looking for a story, not my vibe." }, { "end_time": "59:05", "start_time": "59:01", "text": "I host a talk show, which is a very friendly vibe, sort whatever." }, { "end_time": "59:08", "start_time": "59:05", "text": "You call it, poor version of coffee with Karen, but you say that." }, { "end_time": "59:12", "start_time": "59:08", "text": "Mean, not if you it's own vibe, like, for people who actually go into their details of it." }, { "end_time": "59:12", "start_time": "59:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "59:14", "start_time": "59:12", "text": "For people who watch the show, they know what like." }, { "end_time": "59:15", "start_time": "59:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "59:17", "start_time": "59:15", "text": "But I get that a lot on YouTube, on the comment, but that's fine." }, { "end_time": "59:18", "start_time": "59:17", "text": "That's fine." }, { "end_time": "59:22", "start_time": "59:18", "text": "You talk you're talking to similar sounding dudes hosting a talk show." }, { "end_time": "59:25", "start_time": "59:22", "text": "I'm sure, this is the only comparison people can draw, but that's fine." }, { "end_time": "59:26", "start_time": "59:25", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "59:30", "start_time": "59:26", "text": "But, but like for me, I wanted that friendly vibe." }, { "end_time": "59:35", "start_time": "59:30", "text": "And so because thankfully I'm a people's person and I'm I'm good with communication and the language I'm okay with." }, { "end_time": "59:38", "start_time": "59:36", "text": "So I'm always I'm always been very good with people." }, { "end_time": "59:41", "start_time": "59:38", "text": "And people are like most of the friends that I made in the industry in the first place." }, { "end_time": "59:43", "start_time": "59:41", "text": "I made them through the show." }, { "end_time": "59:46", "start_time": "59:43", "text": "Like a lot of the actors who came on the show and they were like, oh, you're a chill guy." }, { "end_time": "59:47", "start_time": "59:46", "text": "Like, whatever." }, { "end_time": "59:47", "start_time": "59:47", "text": "Let's hang." }, { "end_time": "59:48", "start_time": "59:47", "text": "You know, it was always that." }, { "end_time": "59:48", "start_time": "59:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "59:50", "start_time": "59:48", "text": "We got along like that." }, { "end_time": "59:51", "start_time": "59:50", "text": "We met for the first time on the show." }, { "end_time": "59:51", "start_time": "59:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "59:54", "start_time": "59:51", "text": "And, like, today we're doing this because we got along." }, { "end_time": "59:54", "start_time": "59:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "59:54", "start_time": "59:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "59:56", "start_time": "59:54", "text": "And I think I it's always been that." }, { "end_time": "1:00:00", "start_time": "59:56", "text": "But, like, now, a lot of other friends that I made like that, now they're becoming actors." }, { "end_time": "1:00:04", "start_time": "1:00:00", "text": "So that's a very good space for me because now, like, I've seen all of it." }, { "end_time": "1:00:06", "start_time": "1:00:04", "text": "You know, I've seen them, struggle." }, { "end_time": "1:00:08", "start_time": "1:00:06", "text": "I've seen them, like, get their first movie." }, { "end_time": "1:00:10", "start_time": "1:00:08", "text": "I've dropped them to the airport when they're leaving." }, { "end_time": "1:00:12", "start_time": "1:00:10", "text": "So now that that's special." }, { "end_time": "1:00:13", "start_time": "1:00:12", "text": "But, like, yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:00:16", "start_time": "1:00:13", "text": "You're one of the most low key influential guys in the space." }, { "end_time": "1:00:21", "start_time": "1:00:17", "text": "I want to believe that I have a lot of influence, but like, I don't know, man." }, { "end_time": "1:00:24", "start_time": "1:00:21", "text": "Like it's, I think, yeah, maybe a little bit." }, { "end_time": "1:00:25", "start_time": "1:00:24", "text": "Oh." }, { "end_time": "1:00:26", "start_time": "1:00:25", "text": "I like that." }, { "end_time": "1:00:27", "start_time": "1:00:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:00:28", "start_time": "1:00:27", "text": "Like maybe." }, { "end_time": "1:00:29", "start_time": "1:00:28", "text": "I'm I'm good with people." }, { "end_time": "1:00:32", "start_time": "1:00:29", "text": "Like, you know, I feel like I can give good good advices." }, { "end_time": "1:00:32", "start_time": "1:00:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:00:34", "start_time": "1:00:32", "text": "And, you know, you come from a genuine place also." }, { "end_time": "1:00:35", "start_time": "1:00:34", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:00:35", "start_time": "1:00:35", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:00:36", "start_time": "1:00:35", "text": "I mean, that's your fault." }, { "end_time": "1:00:37", "start_time": "1:00:36", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:00:39", "start_time": "1:00:37", "text": "Thank you for this beautiful episode, bro." }, { "end_time": "1:00:40", "start_time": "1:00:39", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:00:41", "start_time": "1:00:40", "text": "I had fun." }, { "end_time": "1:00:42", "start_time": "1:00:41", "text": "Did you get?" }, { "end_time": "1:00:42", "start_time": "1:00:42", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:00:48", "start_time": "1:00:42", "text": "But we're also gonna be doing a lot more because there's a lot more treasure in your head that's not exposed to the world." }, { "end_time": "1:00:48", "start_time": "1:00:48", "text": "That's true." }, { "end_time": "1:00:49", "start_time": "1:00:48", "text": "Yeah, bro." }, { "end_time": "1:00:50", "start_time": "1:00:49", "text": "You'll find out." }, { "end_time": "1:00:52", "start_time": "1:00:50", "text": "I'll be linking all of Reynolds' handles down below." }, { "end_time": "1:00:52", "start_time": "1:00:52", "text": "Make sure you follow him." }, { "end_time": "1:00:55", "start_time": "1:00:52", "text": "We'll be linking the episode we did on Reynolds Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:00:57", "start_time": "1:00:55", "text": "Show and With BU Nick." }, { "end_time": "1:00:58", "start_time": "1:00:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:00:59", "start_time": "1:00:58", "text": "With with my boy, Nick." }, { "end_time": "1:01:01", "start_time": "1:00:59", "text": "And my other boy, Renner." }, { "end_time": "1:01:01", "start_time": "1:01:01", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:01:01", "start_time": "1:01:01", "text": "Anyway." }, { "end_time": "1:01:02", "start_time": "1:01:02", "text": "So guys, see you." }, { "end_time": "1:01:03", "start_time": "1:01:02", "text": "Hope you had fun." } ] }

[ { "content": "**Task Description:** \nYou are provided with a YouTube video transcript in JSON format, where each entry is synchronized with its respective timestamp. This transcript contains the spoken text along with its start and end times. Your objective is to generate high-quality, chapter-wise segments that accurately represent key points or transitions within the video.\n\n**Transcript JSON Format:** \nThe transcript is formatted as a list of dictionaries, where each dictionary represents a spoken sentence, including its text and corresponding start and end times.\n\n**Example Transcript:** \n```json\n[\n {\n \"text\": \"The narrative in the public eye is that you left working with the Modi government because your opinions weren't heard.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:07\"\n },\n {\n \"text\": \"I want to know your side of the story.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:08\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:10\"\n },\n ...\n]\n```\n\n**Your Task:** \nUsing the given transcript, generate a JSON output that breaks down the video into meaningful chapters. Each chapter should encapsulate a key segment of the video and be accompanied by a concise, informative title that reflects the essence of that segment.\n\n**Chapter JSON Format:** \nThe output should follow this structure:\n```json\n{\n \"chapters\": [\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"title\": \"Introduction and Opening Remarks\"\n },\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:07\",\n \"title\": \"Discussing the Exit from Modi Government\"\n },\n ...\n ]\n}\n```\n\n**Requirements:** \n1. **Identify Key Segments:** Extract significant portions of the transcript that represent shifts in topic, important discussions, or transitions in conversation.\n2. **Craft Informative Titles:** Each chapter title should be clear, engaging, and directly related to the content covered in that segment.\n3. **Preserve Time Stamps:** Ensure that each chapter's `start_time` corresponds to the first instance of a key topic or segment in the transcript.\n4. **Conciseness is Key:** While titles should be descriptive, avoid making them overly lengthy. Aim for a balance between informativeness and brevity.", "role": "system" }, { "content": "{'transcripts': array([{'end_time': '0:00', 'start_time': '0:00', 'text': 'Hey.'},\n {'end_time': '0:01', 'start_time': '0:00', 'text': \"What's good you guys?\"},\n {'end_time': '0:04', 'start_time': '0:01', 'text': \"I've always promised you intelligent conversations only.\"},\n ...,\n {'end_time': '1:01:01', 'start_time': '1:01:01', 'text': 'Anyway.'},\n {'end_time': '1:01:02', 'start_time': '1:01:02', 'text': 'So guys, see you.'},\n {'end_time': '1:01:03', 'start_time': '1:01:02', 'text': 'Hope you had fun.'}],\n dtype=object)}", "role": "user" }, { "content": "{'chapters': array([{'start_time': '00:00', 'title': 'Introduction'},\n {'start_time': '02:50', 'title': 'Drugs, partying and sleeping around culture'},\n {'start_time': '10:30', 'title': 'Networking in parties'},\n {'start_time': '11:35', 'title': 'Controversial gossips from bollywood'},\n {'start_time': '17:24', 'title': 'Mental health issues'},\n {'start_time': '23:03', 'title': 'Handling success'},\n {'start_time': '26:07', 'title': 'Meeting Shahrukh Khan'},\n {'start_time': '30:35', 'title': \"Govinda's Success\"},\n {'start_time': '34:04', 'title': 'Ranveer on Ananya Pandey'},\n {'start_time': '36:19', 'title': 'About Saif Ali Khan'},\n {'start_time': '39:09', 'title': 'The secret Ranveer Singh connection'},\n {'start_time': '42:46', 'title': 'Powerhouses of bollywood'},\n {'start_time': '45:20', 'title': 'Digital vs. Bollywood stars'},\n {'start_time': '47:37', 'title': 'Hardik Pandya & K. L. Rahul controversy'},\n {'start_time': '55:25', 'title': 'About cricket'},\n {'start_time': '57:14', 'title': 'About communication skills'}],\n dtype=object)}", "role": "assistant" } ]

{ "chapters": [ { "start_time": "00:00", "title": "Introduction" }, { "start_time": "03:07", "title": "Srishti's Career at Buzz-feed India" }, { "start_time": "04:26", "title": "Mental Health" }, { "start_time": "06:09", "title": "Self Awareness" }, { "start_time": "08:21", "title": "How people effects your Mentality" }, { "start_time": "10:45", "title": "Obsession with Positivity" }, { "start_time": "11:45", "title": "Vibe at Buzz-feed" }, { "start_time": "14:05", "title": "Optimism" }, { "start_time": "15:52", "title": "Problem Solving" }, { "start_time": "17:35", "title": "Taking care of body" }, { "start_time": "19:40", "title": "How to get in shape" }, { "start_time": "22:13", "title": "Fat Phobia" }, { "start_time": "27:00", "title": "Understanding Negativity" }, { "start_time": "29:05", "title": "Confidence to guide people" }, { "start_time": "31:47", "title": "Her obstacles in life" }, { "start_time": "35:25", "title": "Two changes in Ranveer's Life" }, { "start_time": "42:50", "title": "Her bad habits" }, { "start_time": "45:40", "title": "Ranveer's perspective on things" }, { "start_time": "51:44", "title": "Srishti's negative thoughts" }, { "start_time": "55:30", "title": "Brand - Srishti Dixit" }, { "start_time": "57:24", "title": "Srishti's advice to Ranveer" }, { "start_time": "01:02:03", "title": "Small talks" }, { "start_time": "01:03:04", "title": "Srishti at the age of 60" }, { "start_time": "01:04:30", "title": "Ranveer's Ending Note" } ] }

{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:00", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "What's good you guys?" }, { "end_time": "0:02", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "Welcome to another beautiful podcast episode." }, { "end_time": "0:06", "start_time": "0:02", "text": "This time featuring Shishti Dixit who's kind of known as the face of BuzzFeed India." }, { "end_time": "0:08", "start_time": "0:06", "text": "Today, she's not working with BuzzFeed India." }, { "end_time": "0:12", "start_time": "0:08", "text": "She's on the brink of launching her own big social media brand called Shishti Dixit." }, { "end_time": "0:17", "start_time": "0:12", "text": "Of course, She's one of the most intelligent, most practical human beings you'll ever meet in your life." }, { "end_time": "0:24", "start_time": "0:17", "text": "The whole conversation actually is kind of a clash between my super optimistic outlook on life and her super practical outlook on life." }, { "end_time": "0:30", "start_time": "0:24", "text": "We talk and we debate about a lot of topics from body positivity to fat shaming to physical health to mental health." }, { "end_time": "0:35", "start_time": "0:30", "text": "And one thing you guys may not know about me is that I also run a mental coaching service." }, { "end_time": "0:40", "start_time": "0:35", "text": "It's actually a side business that I'm running along with biceps where I help people in their careers." }, { "end_time": "0:42", "start_time": "0:40", "text": "I help people level up in life." }, { "end_time": "0:45", "start_time": "0:42", "text": "So the whole conversation kind of became a mental coaching session for Shishti." }, { "end_time": "0:49", "start_time": "0:46", "text": "And through the course of the coaching session, she taught me a lot of things as well." }, { "end_time": "0:53", "start_time": "0:49", "text": "So this is actually one of the most intellectual conversations we've done on this podcast." }, { "end_time": "0:57", "start_time": "0:53", "text": "And without further ado, I'm gonna let you all enjoy the show." }, { "end_time": "0:58", "start_time": "0:57", "text": "Make sure you all give this a deep lesson." }, { "end_time": "1:04", "start_time": "0:58", "text": "There's a lot to learn about physical health, mental health, body positivity, life positivity, and the correct lifestyles." }, { "end_time": "1:09", "start_time": "1:05", "text": "Things that the modern day Indian young person needs to learn about desperately." }, { "end_time": "1:10", "start_time": "1:10", "text": "Enjoy." }, { "end_time": "1:12", "start_time": "1:10", "text": "Grow through this podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:21", "start_time": "1:14", "text": "Welcome to another podcast with mister Ranveer Allahbadia hosting miss Shishti Dixit, the queen of Indian social media." }, { "end_time": "1:23", "start_time": "1:21", "text": "What is that voice, Ranveer?" }, { "end_time": "1:25", "start_time": "1:23", "text": "I have not heard that voice before." }, { "end_time": "1:28", "start_time": "1:26", "text": "Sounds like a radio show has started just Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:30", "start_time": "1:28", "text": "I'm I'm totally getting into this whole podcasting zone." }, { "end_time": "1:32", "start_time": "1:30", "text": "I feel like a podcaster from inside." }, { "end_time": "1:35", "start_time": "1:32", "text": "I'm sure girls love it and some boys too." }, { "end_time": "1:35", "start_time": "1:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:36", "start_time": "1:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:36", "start_time": "1:36", "text": "That's right." }, { "end_time": "1:40", "start_time": "1:37", "text": "So, we're gonna get deep into your mind in this podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:41", "start_time": "1:40", "text": "Alright." }, { "end_time": "1:45", "start_time": "1:41", "text": "We're gonna get deep into the mind of someone who's moved from Kanpur to Bombay Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:48", "start_time": "1:45", "text": "To take the whole career to, like, a new level." }, { "end_time": "1:58", "start_time": "1:48", "text": "But we're also gonna get deep into the realms of mental health and the realms of possibly spirituality because that's the conversation we just had before the podcast started." }, { "end_time": "2:02", "start_time": "1:59", "text": "And all obviously, we're gonna do it in the fun way." }, { "end_time": "2:02", "start_time": "2:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:10", "start_time": "2:02", "text": "So it'll just be, like, self deprecating jokes and, some sad facts about my life, But also jokes mostly." }, { "end_time": "2:10", "start_time": "2:10", "text": "So yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:11", "start_time": "2:10", "text": "But it'll be enjoyable." }, { "end_time": "2:12", "start_time": "2:11", "text": "Keeping it real?" }, { "end_time": "2:16", "start_time": "2:12", "text": "I feel like you're one of the smartest human beings I've met in the social media world." }, { "end_time": "2:16", "start_time": "2:16", "text": "That's tight." }, { "end_time": "2:18", "start_time": "2:16", "text": "Meet more people than me." }, { "end_time": "2:19", "start_time": "2:18", "text": "That's all I would say to that." }, { "end_time": "2:20", "start_time": "2:20", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "2:20", "start_time": "2:20", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "2:33", "start_time": "2:20", "text": "For you you you know you're smart and you keep, like, trying to, like, underplay it with the I know I'm smart, but, I try to not give myself too much credit because then I would be, like, too full of myself and that's a dangerous place to be in." }, { "end_time": "2:34", "start_time": "2:33", "text": "Can I give you credit for something?" }, { "end_time": "2:35", "start_time": "2:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:35", "start_time": "2:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:35", "start_time": "2:35", "text": "Go ahead." }, { "end_time": "2:41", "start_time": "2:35", "text": "So when you left BuzzFeed India, I felt like the heart and soul of BuzzFeed India led to Stop it." }, { "end_time": "2:43", "start_time": "2:41", "text": "This is you're right." }, { "end_time": "2:43", "start_time": "2:43", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "2:44", "start_time": "2:43", "text": "It's yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:44", "start_time": "2:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:45", "start_time": "2:44", "text": "It's it's yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:47", "start_time": "2:45", "text": "Little bit, you are right, maybe." }, { "end_time": "2:47", "start_time": "2:47", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "2:54", "start_time": "2:47", "text": "Like, it I feel like a lot of what BuzzFeed India became on YouTube happened because I was Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:54", "start_time": "2:54", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "2:55", "start_time": "2:54", "text": "A big part of it." }, { "end_time": "3:00", "start_time": "2:55", "text": "So I wouldn't say I took away the heart and soul, but, like, yeah, it was a loss to the company." }, { "end_time": "3:01", "start_time": "3:00", "text": "I would like to believe." }, { "end_time": "3:01", "start_time": "3:01", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:03", "start_time": "3:02", "text": "And, it was it was time also." }, { "end_time": "3:07", "start_time": "3:03", "text": "Like, it was time for me to go and explore new things, so I did that." }, { "end_time": "3:08", "start_time": "3:07", "text": "Why did you leave?" }, { "end_time": "3:10", "start_time": "3:08", "text": "Again, to bring your career to, like, a new level?" }, { "end_time": "3:12", "start_time": "3:11", "text": "That's what you're thinking of?" }, { "end_time": "3:18", "start_time": "3:12", "text": "I had worked at BuzzFeed for 3 years, and, I began as a Bollywood and entertainment writer." }, { "end_time": "3:23", "start_time": "3:19", "text": "So my first job there was to write posts about celebrities in Bollywood." }, { "end_time": "3:35", "start_time": "3:23", "text": "And then very organically as BuzzFeed as a company pivoted to making videos for the Internet, I thought that because I had a knack for acting back in college and I loved to perform back in school." }, { "end_time": "3:43", "start_time": "3:35", "text": "So I just, floated this idea with my higher ups and I said, I would like to act and maybe, like, write my own videos and all." }, { "end_time": "3:44", "start_time": "3:43", "text": "So let's see how that goes." }, { "end_time": "3:49", "start_time": "3:44", "text": "And then just very organically, casually, not promising any, like, big numbers or anything." }, { "end_time": "3:51", "start_time": "3:49", "text": "We just started doing that." }, { "end_time": "3:51", "start_time": "3:51", "text": "And it took off." }, { "end_time": "3:55", "start_time": "3:51", "text": "Like, it just even I was shocked by the response we got." }, { "end_time": "3:55", "start_time": "3:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:57", "start_time": "3:55", "text": "And you've built a personal brand along with it." }, { "end_time": "4:00", "start_time": "3:57", "text": "And, yeah, like, then there was was Instagram, then there was Facebook." }, { "end_time": "4:02", "start_time": "4:00", "text": "How many followers do you have on Instagram?" }, { "end_time": "4:05", "start_time": "4:02", "text": "On Instagram, currently, 173 k, I guess." }, { "end_time": "4:06", "start_time": "4:05", "text": "Baby." }, { "end_time": "4:06", "start_time": "4:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:15", "start_time": "4:06", "text": "Like, I I also when I started, a lot of other people around me also started, And currently, they're at, like, 500 k, 600 k, a 1000000." }, { "end_time": "4:23", "start_time": "4:16", "text": "But I don't feel very upset about that because I have understood my pace of creating and being." }, { "end_time": "4:26", "start_time": "4:23", "text": "Like, I would much rather have peace of mind than, like, big numbers." }, { "end_time": "4:29", "start_time": "4:26", "text": "What's your mental health status like right now?" }, { "end_time": "4:31", "start_time": "4:30", "text": "We were talking about this before." }, { "end_time": "4:34", "start_time": "4:31", "text": "I think, it's, like, very divided." }, { "end_time": "4:37", "start_time": "4:34", "text": "It's many like, my mental health is is in many places." }, { "end_time": "4:44", "start_time": "4:37", "text": "I feel very calm and certain about certain aspects of my life and very shaky and uneasy about certain other aspects." }, { "end_time": "4:45", "start_time": "4:44", "text": "What do you feel shaky about?" }, { "end_time": "4:47", "start_time": "4:46", "text": "Just the future, man." }, { "end_time": "4:50", "start_time": "4:47", "text": "Like Like And also like about the world around you, Ranveer." }, { "end_time": "4:52", "start_time": "4:50", "text": "Like, we are like the oath is crumbling." }, { "end_time": "4:54", "start_time": "4:52", "text": "Like, this world is dying." }, { "end_time": "4:54", "start_time": "4:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:55", "start_time": "4:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:57", "start_time": "4:55", "text": "And, like, also not just the environment." }, { "end_time": "5:02", "start_time": "4:57", "text": "Like, there's terrorism and there's, like, crime and people are dying willy nilly." }, { "end_time": "5:06", "start_time": "5:02", "text": "Like, sometimes I wake up in the morning, and I think that this could be my last day." }, { "end_time": "5:09", "start_time": "5:07", "text": "So what have I done in this world for me?" }, { "end_time": "5:11", "start_time": "5:09", "text": "Like that since you were a kid?" }, { "end_time": "5:20", "start_time": "5:11", "text": "Not since I was when I was a kid, I used to think that I was the center of the universe and everything is revolving around me and I will kill it in my life and I will become Why do you think you lost that along the way?" }, { "end_time": "5:24", "start_time": "5:20", "text": "Because I became a real human being in the real world Okay." }, { "end_time": "5:28", "start_time": "5:24", "text": "Who was out of her cocoon and then realized that, wait a minute, Srishti." }, { "end_time": "5:31", "start_time": "5:29", "text": "You are not the center of the universe." }, { "end_time": "5:34", "start_time": "5:31", "text": "Actually, a lot of other things are going down and bad things are going down." }, { "end_time": "5:37", "start_time": "5:34", "text": "So, like, you never know anything for sure." }, { "end_time": "5:40", "start_time": "5:37", "text": "So, like, I think you're one of the smartest people I've met in my life." }, { "end_time": "5:41", "start_time": "5:40", "text": "But can I disagree with you on one thing?" }, { "end_time": "5:43", "start_time": "5:41", "text": "Again and again, but, yeah, please disagree." }, { "end_time": "5:45", "start_time": "5:43", "text": "I feel I'm the center of the universe." }, { "end_time": "5:45", "start_time": "5:45", "text": "Awesome." }, { "end_time": "5:46", "start_time": "5:45", "text": "That's so nice for you." }, { "end_time": "5:47", "start_time": "5:46", "text": "I'm still in that room." }, { "end_time": "5:48", "start_time": "5:47", "text": "I'm so happy for you." }, { "end_time": "5:58", "start_time": "5:49", "text": "It's good to keep that kind of, you know, like that wonder and love for yourself because I really envy I genuinely envy people like you." }, { "end_time": "5:59", "start_time": "5:58", "text": "But why do you think you lost that?" }, { "end_time": "6:00", "start_time": "5:59", "text": "For real?" }, { "end_time": "6:02", "start_time": "6:00", "text": "Like, did was it people around you?" }, { "end_time": "6:03", "start_time": "6:02", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "6:09", "start_time": "6:03", "text": "It was just, like, crumb like, crushing self awareness and mixed with self loathing, I feel." }, { "end_time": "6:11", "start_time": "6:09", "text": "How do you get that self awareness?" }, { "end_time": "6:26", "start_time": "6:11", "text": "I'm telling you just by getting out of Kanpur, coming to a big city like Delhi and then from Delhi coming to because when you are growing up in a small town, you are maybe the best at everything and then you mistake yourself to be the best at everything everywhere in the whole world." }, { "end_time": "6:27", "start_time": "6:26", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "6:33", "start_time": "6:27", "text": "Then you go into the world and you find out that everybody is just as good as you are, maybe better, and some people are, like, untouchable." }, { "end_time": "6:34", "start_time": "6:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:42", "start_time": "6:34", "text": "Then you realize your true worth in the world, and you start questioning, yeah, like, your self worth and who are you and what do you want and what is your purpose." }, { "end_time": "6:42", "start_time": "6:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:55", "start_time": "6:42", "text": "All the deeper questions, which I started thinking about sometime around when I was in college where I was surrounded by brilliant genius people and teachers and just everyone everyone was I felt better than me for some reason." }, { "end_time": "6:59", "start_time": "6:55", "text": "Even though everybody else around me was kinda telling me that, no, you are also awesome." }, { "end_time": "6:59", "start_time": "6:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:08", "start_time": "6:59", "text": "So for me, like, it took very long to realize that for, like, someone else to be the best at something doesn't mean that I'm bad at something." }, { "end_time": "7:11", "start_time": "7:08", "text": "Like, too And I'm sure out of all those people, you're the most famous one now." }, { "end_time": "7:13", "start_time": "7:11", "text": "You're the most successful one now." }, { "end_time": "7:13", "start_time": "7:13", "text": "I guess." }, { "end_time": "7:23", "start_time": "7:13", "text": "Not maybe not successful, but, like, like, numbers wise, if you wanna say, like, visibility wise, if you wanna say that, yeah, my my face is known by more people in that group." }, { "end_time": "7:25", "start_time": "7:23", "text": "Numbers wise, we can relate to that." }, { "end_time": "7:29", "start_time": "7:25", "text": "Like, in that group, not everybody had the same aspirations and career path as I did." }, { "end_time": "7:34", "start_time": "7:29", "text": "Like, some people are teaching and some people are, like they have jobs at corporates and all." }, { "end_time": "7:34", "start_time": "7:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:37", "start_time": "7:34", "text": "So, like, because of my job, I think I have become this." }, { "end_time": "7:40", "start_time": "7:37", "text": "I didn't really, like, do much for it." }, { "end_time": "7:42", "start_time": "7:40", "text": "But if you didn't do it, then who did it?" }, { "end_time": "7:44", "start_time": "7:43", "text": "I don't know, man." }, { "end_time": "7:49", "start_time": "7:44", "text": "There's some, like, gap between what I've actually done and what I think I deserve in life." }, { "end_time": "7:55", "start_time": "7:49", "text": "Like, it's a weird, strange feeling of I don't deserve things that have happened to me." }, { "end_time": "8:00", "start_time": "7:55", "text": "Like, I was listening to this song somewhere, and there was one line which says, there's so much love." }, { "end_time": "8:10", "start_time": "8:00", "text": "It feels like a lie, which is, like, a lot of times there is some disconnect between me and this person who's online, and I feel like I'm not this person." }, { "end_time": "8:16", "start_time": "8:10", "text": "And it's like a scam that I'm running where I'm lying to a bunch of people and being, like, all cool and rule model y." }, { "end_time": "8:16", "start_time": "8:16", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "8:19", "start_time": "8:16", "text": "But, actually, I don't have an idea what's happening." }, { "end_time": "8:20", "start_time": "8:19", "text": "So okay." }, { "end_time": "8:21", "start_time": "8:20", "text": "Can I give you my perspective on this?" }, { "end_time": "8:22", "start_time": "8:21", "text": "Please do." }, { "end_time": "8:23", "start_time": "8:22", "text": "So there's 3 things." }, { "end_time": "8:23", "start_time": "8:23", "text": "Alright?" }, { "end_time": "8:23", "start_time": "8:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:25", "start_time": "8:23", "text": "That, like, come to my head." }, { "end_time": "8:31", "start_time": "8:25", "text": "Firstly, I feel that your mentality and the thoughts that a human being has generally are primarily dependent on 2 aspects." }, { "end_time": "8:36", "start_time": "8:32", "text": "1 is, like, what the way your parents have spoken to you throughout your childhood in your growing up is." }, { "end_time": "8:39", "start_time": "8:36", "text": "So I feel like my mom was always positive with me." }, { "end_time": "8:40", "start_time": "8:39", "text": "She always told me that superstar." }, { "end_time": "8:42", "start_time": "8:41", "text": "Like, it was always that." }, { "end_time": "8:45", "start_time": "8:42", "text": "So that thing sat in my head, like, always." }, { "end_time": "8:46", "start_time": "8:45", "text": "And that's the mentality of your mom." }, { "end_time": "8:46", "start_time": "8:46", "text": "That." }, { "end_time": "8:47", "start_time": "8:46", "text": "You were like, yes." }, { "end_time": "8:48", "start_time": "8:47", "text": "I am a superstar." }, { "end_time": "8:48", "start_time": "8:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:49", "start_time": "8:48", "text": "I I think that's just how a child thinks." }, { "end_time": "8:51", "start_time": "8:49", "text": "Whatever your parents say, that becomes your reality." }, { "end_time": "8:51", "start_time": "8:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:57", "start_time": "8:52", "text": "I would say to that, there is a counterargument that even my parents treated me like pretty much a superstar." }, { "end_time": "8:59", "start_time": "8:57", "text": "That brings me to my second point." }, { "end_time": "8:59", "start_time": "8:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:04", "start_time": "8:59", "text": "Which is while you were in Kanpur with your parents, that was your mentality of, like, yeah, I'm the single biggest." }, { "end_time": "9:09", "start_time": "9:04", "text": "But your second important aspect of life, which affects your mentality, is the people around you." }, { "end_time": "9:09", "start_time": "9:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:11", "start_time": "9:09", "text": "In your adolescent years." }, { "end_time": "9:14", "start_time": "9:11", "text": "Like, in your teenage years and in your young adult years." }, { "end_time": "9:14", "start_time": "9:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:15", "start_time": "9:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:23", "start_time": "9:15", "text": "So between the ages of, like, say 16 to 25, the people who you meet and the people who you hang out with the most affect your mentality heavily." }, { "end_time": "9:24", "start_time": "9:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:24", "start_time": "9:24", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "9:25", "start_time": "9:24", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "9:28", "start_time": "9:25", "text": "And I'll give you a perspective, and this is gonna be slightly controversial, but I'll tell you." }, { "end_time": "9:30", "start_time": "9:28", "text": "It's it's an honest social media perspective." }, { "end_time": "9:34", "start_time": "9:31", "text": "You know, so Viraj, myself, my cofounder, and monkey Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "9:37", "start_time": "9:34", "text": "My entire team of, like, 40 motivated kids at monkey." }, { "end_time": "9:37", "start_time": "9:37", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "9:42", "start_time": "9:37", "text": "I feel like we select people based on their positivity levels." }, { "end_time": "9:43", "start_time": "9:42", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "9:45", "start_time": "9:43", "text": "We only select positive people in this office." }, { "end_time": "9:45", "start_time": "9:45", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "9:51", "start_time": "9:45", "text": "And everyone feels like generally, a lot of the people at BuzzFeed have, like, a negative outlook on life." }, { "end_time": "9:51", "start_time": "9:51", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "9:54", "start_time": "9:51", "text": "And they put it out a lot on social media." }, { "end_time": "9:54", "start_time": "9:54", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "9:58", "start_time": "9:54", "text": "And even someone like you, dude, you're like the face of BuzzFeed." }, { "end_time": "10:04", "start_time": "9:58", "text": "But I feel like if you had correct people around you telling you your worth and sometimes you need a mirror in front of you to tell you." }, { "end_time": "10:06", "start_time": "10:04", "text": "Sometimes you need validation from Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:07", "start_time": "10:06", "text": "Outside." }, { "end_time": "10:13", "start_time": "10:07", "text": "I feel like I feel like just in your young twin like your early twenties, you've not got people telling you that shit shit shit." }, { "end_time": "10:23", "start_time": "10:13", "text": "And I I wanna tell you that from the outside, when we're looking at your brand, when I see Shashi Dixit's content pieces on Instagram or your stories, my immediate thought is, dude, this girl is so smart." }, { "end_time": "10:25", "start_time": "10:23", "text": "It's such fresh humor." }, { "end_time": "10:25", "start_time": "10:25", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "10:27", "start_time": "10:25", "text": "You're so watchable, which is, like, very difficult." }, { "end_time": "10:29", "start_time": "10:27", "text": "Only people who watchable grow on social media." }, { "end_time": "10:30", "start_time": "10:29", "text": "That's true." }, { "end_time": "10:31", "start_time": "10:30", "text": "That's true." }, { "end_time": "10:34", "start_time": "10:31", "text": "So you're really your actual worth is, like, up here." }, { "end_time": "10:35", "start_time": "10:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:37", "start_time": "10:35", "text": "But you constantly think that you're, like, at that 1%." }, { "end_time": "10:41", "start_time": "10:38", "text": "So I have a question about this whole positive and negative outlook." }, { "end_time": "10:42", "start_time": "10:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:46", "start_time": "10:42", "text": "What is the deal with, like, why are people so obsessed with positivity?" }, { "end_time": "10:48", "start_time": "10:47", "text": "I don't get it." }, { "end_time": "10:50", "start_time": "10:48", "text": "Dude, because I feel like that's kind of the purpose of life, man." }, { "end_time": "10:53", "start_time": "10:50", "text": "Like, you've gotta make the best of what's given to you." }, { "end_time": "10:56", "start_time": "10:53", "text": "And that's the kind of focus I've always had in my career Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:59", "start_time": "10:56", "text": "That obviously you're gonna be beaten down by life, dude." }, { "end_time": "11:00", "start_time": "10:59", "text": "Everyone sees lows in life." }, { "end_time": "11:01", "start_time": "11:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:04", "start_time": "11:01", "text": "And I've my job is like a I'm a motivational speaker." }, { "end_time": "11:05", "start_time": "11:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:06", "start_time": "11:05", "text": "I'm a motivational content creator." }, { "end_time": "11:06", "start_time": "11:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:09", "start_time": "11:06", "text": "I study, like, really successful people." }, { "end_time": "11:09", "start_time": "11:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:17", "start_time": "11:09", "text": "And the one common trait I see in all of them is that they have this constant kind of, urge for positivity, wherein negative things happen to them." }, { "end_time": "11:20", "start_time": "11:18", "text": "They just take that hit and they move forward." }, { "end_time": "11:21", "start_time": "11:20", "text": "They don't focus on the negatives." }, { "end_time": "11:25", "start_time": "11:21", "text": "Then I feel like the difference is, not positivity and negativity." }, { "end_time": "11:27", "start_time": "11:25", "text": "It is optimism and pessimism." }, { "end_time": "11:35", "start_time": "11:27", "text": "What's the difference between Because, like, with positivity, there is some kind of understanding that you are always happy." }, { "end_time": "11:36", "start_time": "11:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:41", "start_time": "11:36", "text": "And negativity is like you're always mad about everything, which is not the case." }, { "end_time": "11:41", "start_time": "11:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:41", "start_time": "11:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:41", "start_time": "11:41", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "11:42", "start_time": "11:41", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "11:50", "start_time": "11:42", "text": "What I would aspire to be personally in life is to be more of an optimist because I currently feel a little cynical about the world and, like, everything that I've seen." }, { "end_time": "11:51", "start_time": "11:50", "text": "That that's because you've worked at BuzzFeed." }, { "end_time": "11:52", "start_time": "11:52", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "11:53", "start_time": "11:52", "text": "That's not." }, { "end_time": "11:55", "start_time": "11:53", "text": "That's the way worse than I am." }, { "end_time": "11:57", "start_time": "11:55", "text": "That's the perception of BuzzFeed from the outside." }, { "end_time": "11:58", "start_time": "11:57", "text": "In the yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:05", "start_time": "11:58", "text": "In generally, in Indian social media, we are talking about But we are like Because because you're now all have I mean, BuzzFeed is always, like, crying about some problem or the other and not talking about the solutions." }, { "end_time": "12:06", "start_time": "12:05", "text": "So many problems." }, { "end_time": "12:08", "start_time": "12:06", "text": "And y'all but BuzzFeed doesn't talk about the solutions." }, { "end_time": "12:10", "start_time": "12:08", "text": "They just talk about the problems." }, { "end_time": "12:11", "start_time": "12:10", "text": "Like, give me one example." }, { "end_time": "12:13", "start_time": "12:11", "text": "For example, the whole okay." }, { "end_time": "12:15", "start_time": "12:13", "text": "Dude, I have grown up as an obese kid." }, { "end_time": "12:16", "start_time": "12:16", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "12:20", "start_time": "12:16", "text": "And I have been fat shamed more than you can imagine Honestly." }, { "end_time": "12:20", "start_time": "12:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:21", "start_time": "12:20", "text": "And I understand." }, { "end_time": "12:25", "start_time": "12:21", "text": "I actually really appreciate for putting out that fat shaming related content." }, { "end_time": "12:25", "start_time": "12:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:26", "start_time": "12:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:27", "start_time": "12:26", "text": "But at the end of it, dude, what's the solution?" }, { "end_time": "12:31", "start_time": "12:28", "text": "Is the solution just that, listen, it's okay to be fat, which is fine." }, { "end_time": "12:31", "start_time": "12:31", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "12:33", "start_time": "12:31", "text": "Which I think it's fine to be overweight." }, { "end_time": "12:34", "start_time": "12:33", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "12:38", "start_time": "12:34", "text": "But in saying that, there has to be a solution to that whole problem." }, { "end_time": "12:48", "start_time": "12:38", "text": "And the solution is do do something about it because it's fine to love your body the way it is, but also know that 10 years from now and if you keep your body the way it is right now, it's gonna start deteriorating rapidly." }, { "end_time": "12:50", "start_time": "12:49", "text": "I agree with that." }, { "end_time": "12:52", "start_time": "12:50", "text": "And I'm a very solution oriented, action oriented person." }, { "end_time": "12:53", "start_time": "12:52", "text": "I agree with that." }, { "end_time": "12:53", "start_time": "12:53", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "12:54", "start_time": "12:53", "text": "Like most of my audience." }, { "end_time": "12:55", "start_time": "12:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:55", "start_time": "12:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:55", "start_time": "12:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:57", "start_time": "12:55", "text": "So if there's a problem Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:58", "start_time": "12:57", "text": "Tackle it." }, { "end_time": "13:01", "start_time": "12:58", "text": "Don't just talk about the problem, analyze it, glorify the problem." }, { "end_time": "13:07", "start_time": "13:01", "text": "But then sometimes talking about the problem normalizes it and helps people who are going through the same problem, like Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:10", "start_time": "13:07", "text": "Specifically with body positivity and fat shaming." }, { "end_time": "13:10", "start_time": "13:10", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "13:10", "start_time": "13:10", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "13:14", "start_time": "13:10", "text": "A lot of times, it's not just that people are not doing anything about it." }, { "end_time": "13:19", "start_time": "13:14", "text": "Sometimes people are doing a lot about it, but still failing because of various reasons we may not know." }, { "end_time": "13:19", "start_time": "13:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:20", "start_time": "13:19", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "13:26", "start_time": "13:20", "text": "So our narrative or Buzz Feed's big narrative or conversation is that it is okay to fail." }, { "end_time": "13:29", "start_time": "13:27", "text": "It is okay to be the person you are." }, { "end_time": "13:29", "start_time": "13:29", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "13:32", "start_time": "13:29", "text": "Because you are not one island unto yourself." }, { "end_time": "13:35", "start_time": "13:32", "text": "You are a product of everything that's happening with you." }, { "end_time": "13:37", "start_time": "13:35", "text": "I I feel it's okay to fail and it's okay to be where you are." }, { "end_time": "13:37", "start_time": "13:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:41", "start_time": "13:37", "text": "But it's also important to constantly strive for going forward in life." }, { "end_time": "13:43", "start_time": "13:42", "text": "Do you agree with that?" }, { "end_time": "13:48", "start_time": "13:43", "text": "I feel like our big motto will be to tell people to love, like, try to love yourself." }, { "end_time": "13:49", "start_time": "13:48", "text": "Love?" }, { "end_time": "13:54", "start_time": "13:49", "text": "That would mean, like, I have to be comfortable with the body I'm in right now." }, { "end_time": "14:04", "start_time": "13:54", "text": "I can't keep, like maybe that works for you as an individual, but I'm saying for some other people, constantly chasing some goal may not work, and it just may be unproductive." }, { "end_time": "14:09", "start_time": "14:04", "text": "You know, optimism is the outcome of a busy mind, and that's something I strongly believe." }, { "end_time": "14:13", "start_time": "14:09", "text": "And I believe that a lot of the problems I see around me like, I go to colleges all over the country." }, { "end_time": "14:18", "start_time": "14:14", "text": "Usually, the kind of slightly pessimistic kids are the ones who aren't busy." }, { "end_time": "14:21", "start_time": "14:19", "text": "So I my my motto in life is just keep your mind busy." }, { "end_time": "14:24", "start_time": "14:21", "text": "And you don't have to Exactly." }, { "end_time": "14:24", "start_time": "14:24", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "14:29", "start_time": "14:24", "text": "You don't you don't have to I mean, it's good to accept yourself the way you are, to love yourself the way you are." }, { "end_time": "14:31", "start_time": "14:29", "text": "When I was, like, obese and I should look at myself naked in the mirror Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "14:31", "start_time": "14:31", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "14:34", "start_time": "14:31", "text": "And I I should bend down and always see, like, a roll of fat on the side." }, { "end_time": "14:34", "start_time": "14:34", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "14:36", "start_time": "14:34", "text": "And I should kind of feel like, okay." }, { "end_time": "14:36", "start_time": "14:36", "text": "That's a little bad." }, { "end_time": "14:37", "start_time": "14:36", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "14:39", "start_time": "14:37", "text": "Because there were these girls in school who who had seen me once shirtless." }, { "end_time": "14:42", "start_time": "14:39", "text": "They made a lot of fun of my man boobs and, like, my stomach and all." }, { "end_time": "14:43", "start_time": "14:42", "text": "The girls had made fun of me?" }, { "end_time": "14:43", "start_time": "14:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:43", "start_time": "14:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:44", "start_time": "14:43", "text": "I was in a co ed school." }, { "end_time": "14:44", "start_time": "14:44", "text": "Oh my god." }, { "end_time": "14:45", "start_time": "14:44", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "14:47", "start_time": "14:45", "text": "And I was in, like, a super preppy school." }, { "end_time": "14:48", "start_time": "14:47", "text": "So it's, like, very acidic." }, { "end_time": "14:49", "start_time": "14:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:51", "start_time": "14:49", "text": "But, I used to feel bad." }, { "end_time": "14:51", "start_time": "14:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:53", "start_time": "14:51", "text": "But my immediate thought was hold on." }, { "end_time": "14:55", "start_time": "14:53", "text": "What can I do about this?" }, { "end_time": "15:00", "start_time": "14:55", "text": "And I feel that what can I do about this concept is what has gotten humanity this far in life?" }, { "end_time": "15:04", "start_time": "15:00", "text": "If you're trying to colonize Mars today, it's because, you know, we're on Earth and we're saying, okay." }, { "end_time": "15:05", "start_time": "15:04", "text": "What can I do about this?" }, { "end_time": "15:06", "start_time": "15:05", "text": "How can I go forward?" }, { "end_time": "15:08", "start_time": "15:06", "text": "And that's one one more reason." }, { "end_time": "15:13", "start_time": "15:08", "text": "First, I used this wasn't just my mentality in life, but Viraj and me applied this mentality to our business as well." }, { "end_time": "15:13", "start_time": "15:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:17", "start_time": "15:14", "text": "And we select people who have that mentality in their minds." }, { "end_time": "15:24", "start_time": "15:17", "text": "And we feel our business has grown because of the people we selected, where everyone is just constantly trying to get to one level higher." }, { "end_time": "15:28", "start_time": "15:24", "text": "Everyone doesn't have to run and work like crazy hard like Viraj and me." }, { "end_time": "15:28", "start_time": "15:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:31", "start_time": "15:28", "text": "But they have to keep their mind busy." }, { "end_time": "15:33", "start_time": "15:31", "text": "They have to be problem solving all the time." }, { "end_time": "15:33", "start_time": "15:33", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "15:35", "start_time": "15:33", "text": "Not problem solving all the time." }, { "end_time": "15:38", "start_time": "15:35", "text": "But just do your duty well." }, { "end_time": "15:38", "start_time": "15:38", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "15:40", "start_time": "15:38", "text": "You know, you have to constantly do things." }, { "end_time": "15:42", "start_time": "15:40", "text": "You can't, like, sit and just analyze." }, { "end_time": "15:45", "start_time": "15:42", "text": "If there is a problem and there's a ton of problems in business and in life Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:47", "start_time": "15:46", "text": "The mentality should be like, wait." }, { "end_time": "15:50", "start_time": "15:47", "text": "What can I do about this rather than, okay, that's a problem?" }, { "end_time": "15:52", "start_time": "15:50", "text": "And I'm feeling okay about the problem now." }, { "end_time": "16:06", "start_time": "15:52", "text": "Maybe I'll give you a counter of how I feel sometimes about things in life is I would get like, I would look at a problem and I would think about the problem, which means that I would sit with that problem and analyze it." }, { "end_time": "16:16", "start_time": "16:07", "text": "Not always will I arrive at a conclusion where I know that there is a solution to that problem and I have to do, like, this one particular thing to solve it." }, { "end_time": "16:21", "start_time": "16:16", "text": "But just understanding that, okay, that there is this problem, we are gonna work on it." }, { "end_time": "16:25", "start_time": "16:21", "text": "There is no rush to, like, just get done with it and, like, move on to For sure." }, { "end_time": "16:26", "start_time": "16:25", "text": "The next problem." }, { "end_time": "16:28", "start_time": "16:26", "text": "So my question is, and coming back to the BuzzFeed video Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:35", "start_time": "16:29", "text": "Then why not attach, like, at the end of the video instead of saying it's okay to be, like, body positive, which should have been, like, the body of the video." }, { "end_time": "16:36", "start_time": "16:35", "text": "It's like the middle of the video." }, { "end_time": "16:39", "start_time": "16:36", "text": "The end of the video, I feel always should have been a solution." }, { "end_time": "16:48", "start_time": "16:39", "text": "So you're taking a problem and you're stopping it only up till But Ranveer, who doesn't know the solution so to like, I'm double air quoting this right now." }, { "end_time": "16:48", "start_time": "16:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:54", "start_time": "16:48", "text": "Everybody knows that the solution to, quote, unquote being fat is to quote, unquote lose weight Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:54", "start_time": "16:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:58", "start_time": "16:54", "text": "Which is so reductionist and so simplistic." }, { "end_time": "17:00", "start_time": "16:58", "text": "They're like, it's it's a complex problem." }, { "end_time": "17:00", "start_time": "17:00", "text": "Like Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:00", "start_time": "17:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:06", "start_time": "17:00", "text": "There's a lot of other factors involved, like mental health, privilege, like, what is the background of this person?" }, { "end_time": "17:08", "start_time": "17:06", "text": "What kind of life do they have?" }, { "end_time": "17:10", "start_time": "17:08", "text": "What kind of people are surrounding them?" }, { "end_time": "17:12", "start_time": "17:10", "text": "What are they going through on a daily basis?" }, { "end_time": "17:13", "start_time": "17:12", "text": "It can be very different for you 100%." }, { "end_time": "17:15", "start_time": "17:14", "text": "To, like, another person." }, { "end_time": "17:15", "start_time": "17:15", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "17:16", "start_time": "17:15", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "17:18", "start_time": "17:16", "text": "So I feel like the solution is always there." }, { "end_time": "17:20", "start_time": "17:18", "text": "Like, you always know what to do." }, { "end_time": "17:23", "start_time": "17:20", "text": "The hard part, the struggle is to actually do those things." }, { "end_time": "17:26", "start_time": "17:23", "text": "You know, for a teenager watching that video Okay." }, { "end_time": "17:28", "start_time": "17:26", "text": "When you end the conversation and listen, it's okay." }, { "end_time": "17:29", "start_time": "17:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:34", "start_time": "17:29", "text": "That sits in their head as, like, the final call to action when the action I would disagree with that." }, { "end_time": "17:36", "start_time": "17:34", "text": "What do you think is the goal of it?" }, { "end_time": "17:44", "start_time": "17:36", "text": "Call to action becomes that you need to love yourself the way you are instead of chasing some ideal that someone else in the world has set for you." }, { "end_time": "17:48", "start_time": "17:44", "text": "And I'm not I'm not saying you should lose weight for the visual aspect of it." }, { "end_time": "17:52", "start_time": "17:48", "text": "I am saying that you should just be in shape because that means you're respecting your own body." }, { "end_time": "17:55", "start_time": "17:52", "text": "I'm saying to do whatever the fuck you want and makes you happy." }, { "end_time": "17:56", "start_time": "17:55", "text": "That is the big goal." }, { "end_time": "18:00", "start_time": "17:56", "text": "And if you do so if there's someone who just agrees that, okay, dude, you know what?" }, { "end_time": "18:01", "start_time": "18:00", "text": "I I love my body the way it is." }, { "end_time": "18:03", "start_time": "18:01", "text": "I'm not gonna do anything about it." }, { "end_time": "18:06", "start_time": "18:03", "text": "10, 15 years from now when problems start creeping up." }, { "end_time": "18:06", "start_time": "18:06", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "18:07", "start_time": "18:06", "text": "And that's when they'll realize." }, { "end_time": "18:09", "start_time": "18:07", "text": "And then they'll regret, like, 15 years of their life." }, { "end_time": "18:15", "start_time": "18:09", "text": "And I'm saying this because at the age of 16, I had a gallbladder I had a gallbladder removal because I had a cholesterol, so my gallbladder." }, { "end_time": "18:17", "start_time": "18:15", "text": "Because all my life, I was told that, listen." }, { "end_time": "18:19", "start_time": "18:18", "text": "It's okay to be the way you are." }, { "end_time": "18:20", "start_time": "18:19", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "18:23", "start_time": "18:20", "text": "And then I got, like, this operation, which is the most painful thing I've ever gone through." }, { "end_time": "18:26", "start_time": "18:23", "text": "And I got a wake up call, like, very early in life." }, { "end_time": "18:26", "start_time": "18:26", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "18:26", "start_time": "18:26", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "18:29", "start_time": "18:26", "text": "And I just feel like our generation hasn't got wake up calls early." }, { "end_time": "18:32", "start_time": "18:29", "text": "But if you don't, take care of your body." }, { "end_time": "18:35", "start_time": "18:32", "text": "And I'm not saying you you get, like, a 6 pack That I 100% agree with." }, { "end_time": "18:39", "start_time": "18:35", "text": "Taking care of your body and your mind is the biggest prerogative." }, { "end_time": "18:44", "start_time": "18:39", "text": "And for someone who's not taking care of their body okay, it is important not to push them and say, hey." }, { "end_time": "18:45", "start_time": "18:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:45", "start_time": "18:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:45", "start_time": "18:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:46", "start_time": "18:45", "text": "You know, diet." }, { "end_time": "18:46", "start_time": "18:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:50", "start_time": "18:46", "text": "But it is important to tell them that, listen, love your body." }, { "end_time": "18:50", "start_time": "18:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:51", "start_time": "18:50", "text": "Be body positive." }, { "end_time": "18:51", "start_time": "18:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:59", "start_time": "18:51", "text": "At the same time, keep it in your head that 1 year from now, you want to be at a different position that you are right now in order to take care of the version of yourself 10 years from now." }, { "end_time": "19:05", "start_time": "18:59", "text": "That's important because when diabetes creeps up, when arthritis creeps up, hospital bills are gonna increase." }, { "end_time": "19:07", "start_time": "19:05", "text": "Then your mental health is really gonna go for a toss." }, { "end_time": "19:08", "start_time": "19:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:09", "start_time": "19:08", "text": "Then your family life is affected." }, { "end_time": "19:10", "start_time": "19:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:11", "start_time": "19:10", "text": "You your self image is affected." }, { "end_time": "19:12", "start_time": "19:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:13", "start_time": "19:12", "text": "Your abilities are affected." }, { "end_time": "19:17", "start_time": "19:13", "text": "So I feel that mental health is very important, and I'm a mental health influencer as well." }, { "end_time": "19:18", "start_time": "19:17", "text": "I talk about this." }, { "end_time": "19:20", "start_time": "19:18", "text": "I talk about being positive." }, { "end_time": "19:21", "start_time": "19:20", "text": "You know, all that stuff." }, { "end_time": "19:27", "start_time": "19:21", "text": "But Ranveer, in this scenario, I feel like you are talking about a person who just eats their feelings." }, { "end_time": "19:31", "start_time": "19:27", "text": "And, like, there are no other medical issues to this hypothetical person." }, { "end_time": "19:34", "start_time": "19:31", "text": "Like, what if this person is trying very hard to lose weight but can't?" }, { "end_time": "19:36", "start_time": "19:34", "text": "Like, what does that person do?" }, { "end_time": "19:37", "start_time": "19:37", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "19:40", "start_time": "19:37", "text": "Now this is me talking as the trainer, like, when I used to train people." }, { "end_time": "19:47", "start_time": "19:41", "text": "I genuinely feel it is not difficult for people to lose weight but it is difficult to get yourself to take those steps." }, { "end_time": "19:48", "start_time": "19:48", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "19:51", "start_time": "19:48", "text": "If you literally don't touch desserts." }, { "end_time": "19:52", "start_time": "19:51", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "19:55", "start_time": "19:52", "text": "If you literally don't eat any processed food and you just do these two things." }, { "end_time": "19:59", "start_time": "19:55", "text": "If you wanna take it one level higher, just keep your body active for 20 minutes every day." }, { "end_time": "19:59", "start_time": "19:59", "text": "Just walk around your house." }, { "end_time": "20:01", "start_time": "19:59", "text": "Take take, like, around around the building." }, { "end_time": "20:01", "start_time": "20:01", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "20:02", "start_time": "20:01", "text": "You'll see your body changing." }, { "end_time": "20:06", "start_time": "20:03", "text": "But on training, back when I was a physical trainer Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:07", "start_time": "20:06", "text": "That's all we did." }, { "end_time": "20:08", "start_time": "20:07", "text": "We didn't focus on diets." }, { "end_time": "20:10", "start_time": "20:08", "text": "We focused on a bit of exercise, twice a week." }, { "end_time": "20:12", "start_time": "20:11", "text": "And just cut off your dessert, cut off your process." }, { "end_time": "20:15", "start_time": "20:12", "text": "Being mindful of what you're putting in your body basically." }, { "end_time": "20:17", "start_time": "20:15", "text": "When you're eating, don't eat, like, while watching TV." }, { "end_time": "20:20", "start_time": "20:17", "text": "Don't don't just eat, like, you know, in, like, a restaurant and talk to other people." }, { "end_time": "20:21", "start_time": "20:20", "text": "Be completely in your food." }, { "end_time": "20:22", "start_time": "20:21", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "20:23", "start_time": "20:22", "text": "Be aware of what you're doing." }, { "end_time": "20:23", "start_time": "20:23", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "20:26", "start_time": "20:23", "text": "And just avoid desserts and avoid processed food as much as you can." }, { "end_time": "20:27", "start_time": "20:26", "text": "Don't even cut it out." }, { "end_time": "20:27", "start_time": "20:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:28", "start_time": "20:27", "text": "Eat it like once a week." }, { "end_time": "20:29", "start_time": "20:28", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "20:32", "start_time": "20:29", "text": "That's all you have to focus on, and you will see your weight rapidly dropping." }, { "end_time": "20:33", "start_time": "20:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:38", "start_time": "20:33", "text": "So my argument as a personal trainer is that I've trained maybe, like, 50, 60 people in my life." }, { "end_time": "20:40", "start_time": "20:39", "text": "Almost all of them before weight loss." }, { "end_time": "20:44", "start_time": "20:41", "text": "And we just did these two changes and you see actual quantitative results." }, { "end_time": "20:47", "start_time": "20:44", "text": "Like, you see 5, 6 KGs dropped, like, in 2 months." }, { "end_time": "20:50", "start_time": "20:47", "text": "So weight loss per se is actually that easy." }, { "end_time": "20:53", "start_time": "20:51", "text": "And I feel it's, like, complicated by the world." }, { "end_time": "20:55", "start_time": "20:53", "text": "People have this image of weight loss that's really difficult." }, { "end_time": "20:56", "start_time": "20:55", "text": "Weight loss isn't difficult." }, { "end_time": "21:05", "start_time": "20:56", "text": "It's difficult to get yourself to not buy that packet of chips or that packet of noodles to not have that, you know, soft drink, to not drink alcohol." }, { "end_time": "21:06", "start_time": "21:05", "text": "Those are the difficult things." }, { "end_time": "21:07", "start_time": "21:06", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "21:09", "start_time": "21:07", "text": "But this knowledge needs to be put out there." }, { "end_time": "21:09", "start_time": "21:09", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "21:13", "start_time": "21:09", "text": "But then let me pose another, scenario to you." }, { "end_time": "21:25", "start_time": "21:13", "text": "What if this is a person who according to you is overweight, but is fairly healthy, very happy with the way they are, dress however they want, date however they want, eat whatever they want, and are fairly healthy." }, { "end_time": "21:26", "start_time": "21:25", "text": "But to you, they are overweight." }, { "end_time": "21:30", "start_time": "21:27", "text": "Then, like, do you think that this person needs to change themselves?" }, { "end_time": "21:32", "start_time": "21:31", "text": "Each to his own." }, { "end_time": "21:36", "start_time": "21:32", "text": "But I'll tell you what, I've gone through the pain of that gallbladder removal." }, { "end_time": "21:39", "start_time": "21:36", "text": "And if you don't take care of your body in the long term, you're gonna go on one of those tangents." }, { "end_time": "21:43", "start_time": "21:40", "text": "Person I'm, by the way, is taking very a lot of care of their body." }, { "end_time": "21:43", "start_time": "21:43", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "21:44", "start_time": "21:43", "text": "They love their body." }, { "end_time": "21:45", "start_time": "21:44", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "21:45", "start_time": "21:45", "text": "I'll tell you what." }, { "end_time": "21:50", "start_time": "21:45", "text": "Like, when you visually see someone, you can almost tell who's gonna have, like, long term health problems and who isn't." }, { "end_time": "21:52", "start_time": "21:50", "text": "You're not gonna have any long term health problems." }, { "end_time": "21:52", "start_time": "21:52", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "21:54", "start_time": "21:52", "text": "Dude, you're not What about the high of cancer, like, in, like, the next 5 years?" }, { "end_time": "21:58", "start_time": "21:54", "text": "Obviously, if you if you like, don't take care of your body completely, then yes." }, { "end_time": "22:07", "start_time": "21:58", "text": "But if someone is obese, per se, you can almost predict, like, what's gonna happen in the long term." }, { "end_time": "22:08", "start_time": "22:07", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "22:12", "start_time": "22:09", "text": "I have something to say which I may if you like it could be offensive." }, { "end_time": "22:13", "start_time": "22:12", "text": "Go for it." }, { "end_time": "22:13", "start_time": "22:13", "text": "Go for it." }, { "end_time": "22:30", "start_time": "22:13", "text": "But a lot of people who have been through, like, a lot of body shaming in life and end up, like, losing weight come back with, like, some kind of fat phobia, which is like like, this is the most painful, hardest part of your life Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:31", "start_time": "22:30", "text": "That you don't want to go back to." }, { "end_time": "22:32", "start_time": "22:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:35", "start_time": "22:32", "text": "And you're almost, like, scared about." }, { "end_time": "22:36", "start_time": "22:35", "text": "Like, you're like, this is bad." }, { "end_time": "22:40", "start_time": "22:36", "text": "And I want to tell everyone in the world that this is bad and, like, nobody do this." }, { "end_time": "22:46", "start_time": "22:40", "text": "Nobody do this, which is not the same space everyone is at or is coming from." }, { "end_time": "22:46", "start_time": "22:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:55", "start_time": "22:46", "text": "So I feel like in that aspect, the larger conversation then still needs to be about you need to be okay with who you are first." }, { "end_time": "22:55", "start_time": "22:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:56", "start_time": "22:55", "text": "Then work on yourself." }, { "end_time": "22:57", "start_time": "22:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:57", "start_time": "22:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:57", "start_time": "22:57", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "23:00", "start_time": "22:57", "text": "You need to understand who you are baseline bottom." }, { "end_time": "23:01", "start_time": "23:00", "text": "What are you as a person?" }, { "end_time": "23:01", "start_time": "23:01", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:03", "start_time": "23:01", "text": "What do what are your likes and dislikes?" }, { "end_time": "23:04", "start_time": "23:03", "text": "What do you care about?" }, { "end_time": "23:04", "start_time": "23:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:08", "start_time": "23:04", "text": "And then from there, go on to, okay, how do people look at me?" }, { "end_time": "23:11", "start_time": "23:08", "text": "Because even this idea of overweight and, like No." }, { "end_time": "23:12", "start_time": "23:11", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "23:12", "start_time": "23:12", "text": "Hold on." }, { "end_time": "23:14", "start_time": "23:12", "text": "My is a body standard." }, { "end_time": "23:15", "start_time": "23:14", "text": "My argument is nothing about looks." }, { "end_time": "23:21", "start_time": "23:15", "text": "I feel like if you're the skinniest human being in the world and if you're the fattest human being in the world, you should love yourself because you're the superstar." }, { "end_time": "23:22", "start_time": "23:21", "text": "That's my mentality." }, { "end_time": "23:22", "start_time": "23:22", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "23:22", "start_time": "23:22", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "23:25", "start_time": "23:22", "text": "But at the same time, my argument is not about the visuals." }, { "end_time": "23:27", "start_time": "23:25", "text": "It's about what's happening inside your body." }, { "end_time": "23:27", "start_time": "23:27", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "23:28", "start_time": "23:27", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "23:32", "start_time": "23:28", "text": "So and every I I understand that there might be people like this, but I've trained a lot of people." }, { "end_time": "23:36", "start_time": "23:32", "text": "In fact, I've made a whole career out of, like, training people online, technically." }, { "end_time": "23:36", "start_time": "23:36", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "23:38", "start_time": "23:36", "text": "Like, through biceps and all." }, { "end_time": "23:44", "start_time": "23:39", "text": "And 99% of the people who are able to lose weight will always come and say, thanks, bro." }, { "end_time": "23:46", "start_time": "23:44", "text": "You know, you've you've genuinely, like, helped me." }, { "end_time": "23:47", "start_time": "23:46", "text": "And I've been there." }, { "end_time": "23:50", "start_time": "23:47", "text": "I've been there myself where I've wanted parts to lose weight." }, { "end_time": "23:59", "start_time": "23:50", "text": "When I met the correct kind of trainers in life, when I met the correct people who educate me, when they got me to my health and fitness goals, it is one of the most beautiful feelings in the world." }, { "end_time": "24:04", "start_time": "23:59", "text": "It's one of the most relieving feelings in the world for 99% of the people who walk that journey." }, { "end_time": "24:08", "start_time": "24:04", "text": "So I understand that there might be 1% of people who, like, be like, shit, dude." }, { "end_time": "24:10", "start_time": "24:08", "text": "You know, they develop a fear of, like, weight loss." }, { "end_time": "24:14", "start_time": "24:10", "text": "But I also feel for that 1%, they're surrounded by the wrong people." }, { "end_time": "24:14", "start_time": "24:14", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "24:18", "start_time": "24:14", "text": "Because a lot of your own mentality is decided by the people around you." }, { "end_time": "24:18", "start_time": "24:18", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "24:18", "start_time": "24:18", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "24:20", "start_time": "24:18", "text": "And if the people around you are constantly saying, nah." }, { "end_time": "24:21", "start_time": "24:20", "text": "And, you know, dude, good on you." }, { "end_time": "24:23", "start_time": "24:21", "text": "You know, you took care of your body." }, { "end_time": "24:23", "start_time": "24:23", "text": "Good." }, { "end_time": "24:24", "start_time": "24:23", "text": "Like, you're happy right now." }, { "end_time": "24:25", "start_time": "24:24", "text": "You're healthier right now." }, { "end_time": "24:25", "start_time": "24:25", "text": "Good on you." }, { "end_time": "24:27", "start_time": "24:25", "text": "Those thoughts are in your head." }, { "end_time": "24:31", "start_time": "24:27", "text": "But if the one that that person is also telling you that you weren't good enough before." }, { "end_time": "24:31", "start_time": "24:31", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "24:32", "start_time": "24:31", "text": "It's not that." }, { "end_time": "24:33", "start_time": "24:32", "text": "You had to lose weight to become better." }, { "end_time": "24:34", "start_time": "24:33", "text": "It's not good enough." }, { "end_time": "24:36", "start_time": "24:34", "text": "It's not about you being good enough before." }, { "end_time": "24:43", "start_time": "24:36", "text": "It's about Because anytime a person is telling you this, trust me, Ranvir, they don't give about what you are on the inside or what's going on in your body." }, { "end_time": "24:46", "start_time": "24:44", "text": "They care about what you look on the outside." }, { "end_time": "24:47", "start_time": "24:46", "text": "They're like, now you look better." }, { "end_time": "24:51", "start_time": "24:47", "text": "Now you fit some standard that was given to us by someone else." }, { "end_time": "24:52", "start_time": "24:51", "text": "And now you are great." }, { "end_time": "24:52", "start_time": "24:52", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "24:56", "start_time": "24:52", "text": "Now we can get on board with this new great looking person." }, { "end_time": "24:56", "start_time": "24:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:56", "start_time": "24:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:01", "start_time": "24:56", "text": "And it is clearly telling you a terrible truth, which is that I didn't like you before because you were fat." }, { "end_time": "25:03", "start_time": "25:01", "text": "I mean, that's the way to perceive it." }, { "end_time": "25:05", "start_time": "25:03", "text": "That may not be the case for, like, every human being." }, { "end_time": "25:07", "start_time": "25:05", "text": "That's the way you're perceiving it." }, { "end_time": "25:11", "start_time": "25:07", "text": "I'm telling you as someone again who trains people, who's been surrounded by the world of fitness." }, { "end_time": "25:16", "start_time": "25:12", "text": "If a fit person sees another person who's latched on fitness wagon, you're genuinely happy." }, { "end_time": "25:23", "start_time": "25:16", "text": "When you see a slightly overweight person gymming in a gym, oh, an actual person who's motivated about the fitness lifestyle will be very appreciative of that person." }, { "end_time": "25:27", "start_time": "25:23", "text": "You'll you'll you'll have to be an absolute dick to go and tell us an a a motorway gym maker." }, { "end_time": "25:28", "start_time": "25:27", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "25:40", "start_time": "25:28", "text": "So you are saying that people working out at the gym so this just, like, struck up a new thought in my head, which is, like, all the activewear brands in the world, for, like, maybe just some exceptions maybe there." }, { "end_time": "25:49", "start_time": "25:40", "text": "But, like, mostly are centered around thin people already who are already beautiful and thin working out at the gym." }, { "end_time": "26:06", "start_time": "25:49", "text": "So in that scenario, the person who is, quote, unquote, overweight or, quote, unquote, not like like, whatever beautiful looking or whatever, will feel very, like, ashamed to go to the gym, which is, like, according to you, the first step." }, { "end_time": "26:07", "start_time": "26:06", "text": "Not not all of them." }, { "end_time": "26:08", "start_time": "26:07", "text": "It depends completely on the person." }, { "end_time": "26:14", "start_time": "26:08", "text": "Some people will look at that and say, that's where I wanna be, which is how I've grown up, which is I think what Rajas has grown up with." }, { "end_time": "26:15", "start_time": "26:14", "text": "Like, my camera person, he was very skinny." }, { "end_time": "26:17", "start_time": "26:15", "text": "He had, like, thin shaming problems." }, { "end_time": "26:17", "start_time": "26:17", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "26:25", "start_time": "26:17", "text": "And I remember both of us used to watch, like, bossy bodybuilding back in the day or say even just general sports and usually, you know, that's the body I want." }, { "end_time": "26:27", "start_time": "26:25", "text": "So it depends completely on the person." }, { "end_time": "26:31", "start_time": "26:27", "text": "Some people are just again, they have an aspirational mentality and some people have a victim mentality." }, { "end_time": "26:36", "start_time": "26:31", "text": "And those aspirational versus victim mentalities are decided by the people you choose to surround yourself with." }, { "end_time": "26:38", "start_time": "26:37", "text": "Or your life experiences." }, { "end_time": "26:40", "start_time": "26:38", "text": "Or your or your the way a parent has spoken to you." }, { "end_time": "26:41", "start_time": "26:40", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "26:41", "start_time": "26:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:43", "start_time": "26:41", "text": "Like or like some other things also." }, { "end_time": "26:50", "start_time": "26:43", "text": "Like, there has to have like, there has to you're a product of everything that happens to you, around you, and your own choices, obviously." }, { "end_time": "26:52", "start_time": "26:50", "text": "I think the key here Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:54", "start_time": "26:52", "text": "Is to cut off the negative people from your life." }, { "end_time": "26:55", "start_time": "26:54", "text": "Agreed." }, { "end_time": "26:56", "start_time": "26:55", "text": "That I agree with a 100%." }, { "end_time": "27:05", "start_time": "26:56", "text": "And then but then I feel like you your yours and mine, understanding of what negativity is is a little different." }, { "end_time": "27:08", "start_time": "27:05", "text": "My my understanding of negativity is, again, someone who's not solution oriented." }, { "end_time": "27:10", "start_time": "27:08", "text": "1, that's like the core of it." }, { "end_time": "27:18", "start_time": "27:10", "text": "And 2, again, someone who who's, like, cynical, who finds problems in parts." }, { "end_time": "27:21", "start_time": "27:18", "text": "You know, if there's, like, a potential path that'll lead you to some kind of growth." }, { "end_time": "27:22", "start_time": "27:21", "text": "Even if it's a risky path." }, { "end_time": "27:26", "start_time": "27:23", "text": "And then there's 1 dude or duret who just goes, hey." }, { "end_time": "27:30", "start_time": "27:27", "text": "You know, like, this is not it's not worth the effort." }, { "end_time": "27:31", "start_time": "27:30", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "27:34", "start_time": "27:31", "text": "That that those are people I wanna cut off, and I've consciously cut off those people in my life." }, { "end_time": "27:39", "start_time": "27:34", "text": "Like, there's this whole saying that you sense the energy of a person before they speak to you." }, { "end_time": "27:39", "start_time": "27:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:41", "start_time": "27:39", "text": "Do you agree with that?" }, { "end_time": "27:42", "start_time": "27:41", "text": "Little bit." }, { "end_time": "27:44", "start_time": "27:42", "text": "But, like, I'm also wrong about it." }, { "end_time": "27:50", "start_time": "27:44", "text": "Like, that's that's then a little bit of a prejudice or, like, I'm judging someone just based on what they look like maybe?" }, { "end_time": "27:50", "start_time": "27:50", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "27:50", "start_time": "27:50", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "27:51", "start_time": "27:50", "text": "Not what they look like." }, { "end_time": "27:56", "start_time": "27:51", "text": "Like, the moment they start, having a bit of a conversation to you the way like, they talk to you." }, { "end_time": "27:57", "start_time": "27:56", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "27:59", "start_time": "27:57", "text": "Like, for example, when you made the my energy?" }, { "end_time": "28:00", "start_time": "27:59", "text": "You want me to tell you?" }, { "end_time": "28:00", "start_time": "28:00", "text": "Tell me." }, { "end_time": "28:01", "start_time": "28:00", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "28:01", "start_time": "28:01", "text": "I I don't have any energy." }, { "end_time": "28:03", "start_time": "28:01", "text": "I'll I'll tell you your energy." }, { "end_time": "28:03", "start_time": "28:03", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "28:06", "start_time": "28:03", "text": "Your energy is really intelligent, analytical." }, { "end_time": "28:07", "start_time": "28:07", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "28:08", "start_time": "28:07", "text": "That's like 2 things." }, { "end_time": "28:10", "start_time": "28:08", "text": "And you can see people's energies through their social media stories." }, { "end_time": "28:18", "start_time": "28:11", "text": "So even on Instagram, you can't really tell how much about a person through their posts, but you can tell a lot about that person through their stories." }, { "end_time": "28:21", "start_time": "28:19", "text": "And I'll tell you and I'll tell you, and this is a career coach in me speaking." }, { "end_time": "28:29", "start_time": "28:21", "text": "I feel like right now, Shishti Dixit, at at this stage of your career, one, I feel you have the potential to become one of India's, like, biggest brands in the long term." }, { "end_time": "28:30", "start_time": "28:29", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "28:34", "start_time": "28:30", "text": "I see you as, like, an Ellen DeGeneres kind of person for India 20 years from now." }, { "end_time": "28:34", "start_time": "28:34", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "28:36", "start_time": "28:34", "text": "But you need to go back to your Kanpur mentality." }, { "end_time": "28:37", "start_time": "28:36", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "28:38", "start_time": "28:37", "text": "That you were a superstar." }, { "end_time": "28:39", "start_time": "28:38", "text": "Or feeling like a superstar." }, { "end_time": "28:43", "start_time": "28:39", "text": "Because because trust me, I just feel like you've not had enough people in your life tell you that." }, { "end_time": "28:46", "start_time": "28:43", "text": "And maybe I've not had therapy also, which is actually the fact." }, { "end_time": "28:51", "start_time": "28:46", "text": "Don't you think that therapy also does the same thing where they're, like, they're giving you a mirror of, like, your mind Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:53", "start_time": "28:52", "text": "But at the same time giving you solutions." }, { "end_time": "28:54", "start_time": "28:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:59", "start_time": "28:54", "text": "And, like, most I feel like the a lot of therapies, you arriving at those solutions yourself." }, { "end_time": "28:59", "start_time": "28:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:01", "start_time": "28:59", "text": "Instead of someone else giving you That's the mirror." }, { "end_time": "29:02", "start_time": "29:01", "text": "Like, just, like, do this." }, { "end_time": "29:03", "start_time": "29:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:07", "start_time": "29:03", "text": "It's like, because a lot of times when you are prescribed so this is a question I have for you." }, { "end_time": "29:07", "start_time": "29:07", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "29:16", "start_time": "29:07", "text": "A lot of times you prescribe things to someone, but, like, the same thing doesn't work for everybody to because to each their own, like, one method works for you." }, { "end_time": "29:17", "start_time": "29:16", "text": "It may not work for everyone." }, { "end_time": "29:28", "start_time": "29:18", "text": "So then as a coach, not not fitness, but like a mental health coach or a or someone like that, how do you find the confidence to guide people?" }, { "end_time": "29:28", "start_time": "29:28", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "29:30", "start_time": "29:28", "text": "This is also a leadership concept." }, { "end_time": "29:30", "start_time": "29:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:31", "start_time": "29:30", "text": "When you're leading any kind of team." }, { "end_time": "29:32", "start_time": "29:31", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "29:33", "start_time": "29:32", "text": "Like, it can be a sports team." }, { "end_time": "29:34", "start_time": "29:33", "text": "It can be business." }, { "end_time": "29:37", "start_time": "29:34", "text": "The core of leadership is to understand each person, like, deeply." }, { "end_time": "29:40", "start_time": "29:37", "text": "You're not gonna lead by just putting out a general kind of solution." }, { "end_time": "29:47", "start_time": "29:41", "text": "I have to do that as a YouTuber because my general solution is helping 90% of the population, then that's what should be put out." }, { "end_time": "29:48", "start_time": "29:47", "text": "It's majority wins." }, { "end_time": "29:53", "start_time": "29:48", "text": "But if I'm doing like a 1 on 1 session, first I'll try understanding Shishti, like inside out." }, { "end_time": "29:53", "start_time": "29:53", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "29:59", "start_time": "29:53", "text": "And I'll understand what your insecurities are, what ambitions you have for yourself, what your past is." }, { "end_time": "30:00", "start_time": "30:00", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "30:02", "start_time": "30:00", "text": "And then I'll tailor make an answer for you." }, { "end_time": "30:09", "start_time": "30:02", "text": "And even if the answer is the same thing as I would, like, give someone else with a completely different mentality, I'll explain it to you in your words." }, { "end_time": "30:12", "start_time": "30:10", "text": "So and leadership also boils down to those same principles." }, { "end_time": "30:15", "start_time": "30:12", "text": "Like, LeBron James, he's this big idol of mine, this big basketball star." }, { "end_time": "30:15", "start_time": "30:15", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "30:16", "start_time": "30:15", "text": "He has this saying." }, { "end_time": "30:20", "start_time": "30:16", "text": "He says that, dude, you can shout at 1 brother and that guy get motivated." }, { "end_time": "30:23", "start_time": "30:20", "text": "But if you shout at another brother, he won't wanna play basketball with you forever." }, { "end_time": "30:24", "start_time": "30:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:25", "start_time": "30:24", "text": "And I've seen that, like, in leadership as well." }, { "end_time": "30:26", "start_time": "30:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:27", "start_time": "30:26", "text": "The same thing applies in coaching." }, { "end_time": "30:28", "start_time": "30:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:29", "start_time": "30:28", "text": "The same thing applies in fitness coaching as well." }, { "end_time": "30:32", "start_time": "30:29", "text": "Like, I remember with Tanmay, I had to be his, like, brother with him." }, { "end_time": "30:33", "start_time": "30:32", "text": "I was like Like hype man." }, { "end_time": "30:35", "start_time": "30:33", "text": "Hype man plus, like, insult." }, { "end_time": "30:36", "start_time": "30:35", "text": "Like, you're not gonna be able to do this." }, { "end_time": "30:37", "start_time": "30:37", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "30:37", "start_time": "30:37", "text": "I'll do it." }, { "end_time": "30:39", "start_time": "30:37", "text": "She liked it rough then." }, { "end_time": "30:40", "start_time": "30:39", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "30:40", "start_time": "30:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:41", "start_time": "30:40", "text": "So yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:42", "start_time": "30:41", "text": "So exactly." }, { "end_time": "30:48", "start_time": "30:42", "text": "So with this, like, this exact thought of I could be yelling the same thing at 2 sets of people." }, { "end_time": "30:52", "start_time": "30:49", "text": "One set can take away something completely different Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:55", "start_time": "30:52", "text": "From this other set that has taken away, like, okay." }, { "end_time": "30:59", "start_time": "30:55", "text": "This person is yelling at me, and they clearly do what's best for me and get the fuck out of you." }, { "end_time": "30:59", "start_time": "30:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:00", "start_time": "30:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:01", "start_time": "31:00", "text": "I don't wanna see their face." }, { "end_time": "31:01", "start_time": "31:01", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:03", "start_time": "31:02", "text": "And that is not in your hands." }, { "end_time": "31:09", "start_time": "31:03", "text": "All you can do is, like, just see As as cautiously with many trigger warnings." }, { "end_time": "31:09", "start_time": "31:09", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "31:14", "start_time": "31:09", "text": "I just feel as a coach, you have to put out the most likely correct answer." }, { "end_time": "31:15", "start_time": "31:14", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "31:16", "start_time": "31:15", "text": "If you're talking to a crowd." }, { "end_time": "31:18", "start_time": "31:16", "text": "If I'm talking to a crowd so many perspectives in the world." }, { "end_time": "31:20", "start_time": "31:18", "text": "How do you know what's the most likely correct answer?" }, { "end_time": "31:24", "start_time": "31:20", "text": "But you have to put out something that'll definitely help most number of people." }, { "end_time": "31:27", "start_time": "31:24", "text": "As if it's going to help 80 to 90% of people, I'll put it out." }, { "end_time": "31:33", "start_time": "31:27", "text": "And the 10% who it hasn't helped can come up to me later or can do further research or they can go to someone else who fits their answer." }, { "end_time": "31:36", "start_time": "31:33", "text": "That's my job as a YouTuber and as a motivational speaker when I'm speaking to a crowd." }, { "end_time": "31:40", "start_time": "31:36", "text": "But let's bring this super micro and talk about you, Shrishti Dixit." }, { "end_time": "31:41", "start_time": "31:40", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "31:43", "start_time": "31:41", "text": "What's your Why do you say my whole name every time?" }, { "end_time": "31:45", "start_time": "31:43", "text": "I You can just say Srishti also." }, { "end_time": "31:46", "start_time": "31:45", "text": "That's a vibe." }, { "end_time": "31:46", "start_time": "31:46", "text": "That's a vibe." }, { "end_time": "31:52", "start_time": "31:48", "text": "What stops you from thinking that you'll become like the Ellen DeGeneres of India?" }, { "end_time": "31:56", "start_time": "31:52", "text": "First of all, that is not my aspiration to become the Ellen DeGeneres of anywhere." }, { "end_time": "32:01", "start_time": "31:56", "text": "There's already an Ellen DeGeneres, and I feel like I can be your Srishti Dikshit of wherever I feel you." }, { "end_time": "32:02", "start_time": "32:01", "text": "Which I'm working on." }, { "end_time": "32:02", "start_time": "32:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:05", "start_time": "32:02", "text": "It's just I, I'm taking my time, man." }, { "end_time": "32:08", "start_time": "32:05", "text": "Like, I'm in no rush to be anywhere right now." }, { "end_time": "32:10", "start_time": "32:08", "text": "But you are super ambitious person." }, { "end_time": "32:11", "start_time": "32:10", "text": "I am I am ambitious." }, { "end_time": "32:16", "start_time": "32:12", "text": "I would say that, like, I procras tinate a little bit." }, { "end_time": "32:18", "start_time": "32:16", "text": "I wouldn't even say procrastination." }, { "end_time": "32:22", "start_time": "32:18", "text": "I'll say that I, get bogged down by a problem." }, { "end_time": "32:32", "start_time": "32:22", "text": "Like, if there is a huge massive undertaking, and I know that I have to do this, I have to cross this big hurdle to get to point b, which is where I wanna be." }, { "end_time": "32:36", "start_time": "32:32", "text": "I'll get really, like, overwhelmed by it and, like, oftentimes, like, give up on that." }, { "end_time": "32:37", "start_time": "32:36", "text": "You get overwhelmed by it?" }, { "end_time": "32:39", "start_time": "32:37", "text": "Because it's just a lot." }, { "end_time": "32:42", "start_time": "32:39", "text": "And, like, then I then maybe it is some bitumen." }, { "end_time": "32:44", "start_time": "32:42", "text": "Have you, yeah, have you had some bad experience in life?" }, { "end_time": "32:46", "start_time": "32:44", "text": "Like, has stuff not worked out?" }, { "end_time": "32:47", "start_time": "32:47", "text": "No, man." }, { "end_time": "32:48", "start_time": "32:47", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "32:50", "start_time": "32:48", "text": "Like, stuff has general like, life has been good." }, { "end_time": "32:52", "start_time": "32:50", "text": "Stuff has generally worked out." }, { "end_time": "32:57", "start_time": "32:52", "text": "In those moments, why can't you rewind back to your mom who believed, like, that you I don't I really don't know." }, { "end_time": "33:02", "start_time": "32:57", "text": "Like, sometimes I can't believe my life, and I can't believe where I have gotten." }, { "end_time": "33:12", "start_time": "33:02", "text": "Because when I was a kid, I used to think that I'll become mother's shit and, like, be this, like, gorgeous Bollywood actor who was dancing and, like, looking beautiful." }, { "end_time": "33:15", "start_time": "33:12", "text": "Then I grew older and then body image of shoes came." }, { "end_time": "33:18", "start_time": "33:16", "text": "And then I had, like, a terrible eating disorder in college." }, { "end_time": "33:19", "start_time": "33:18", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "33:22", "start_time": "33:19", "text": "Then I lost a whole bunch of weight, then I put on a whole bunch of weight." }, { "end_time": "33:28", "start_time": "33:22", "text": "And, like, just my mind and body were, like, in, like, a storm of thoughts." }, { "end_time": "33:33", "start_time": "33:28", "text": "The way I look at it from the outside, I think it was this whole phase of the eating disorders and the body issues." }, { "end_time": "33:36", "start_time": "33:33", "text": "Like, the body image still have body image issues." }, { "end_time": "33:39", "start_time": "33:36", "text": "I I don't know if I'll ever be able to fully solve them." }, { "end_time": "33:44", "start_time": "33:40", "text": "Was it was it some guy who, like, insulted you or something like that?" }, { "end_time": "33:44", "start_time": "33:44", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "33:45", "start_time": "33:44", "text": "It wasn't." }, { "end_time": "33:47", "start_time": "33:45", "text": "It was it was social it was media." }, { "end_time": "33:48", "start_time": "33:47", "text": "It was, like, movies." }, { "end_time": "33:56", "start_time": "33:48", "text": "It was Shraddha Kapoor have drinking green tea in that ad and, like, looking at her stomach in the mirror and, like, sucking it in." }, { "end_time": "33:57", "start_time": "33:56", "text": "Like, it was, like, microaggressions." }, { "end_time": "34:09", "start_time": "33:59", "text": "Like, just looking at many hot women or, like, guys going up to hot women and, like, not even looking at you as a prospective someone Were you like they want to date." }, { "end_time": "34:13", "start_time": "34:09", "text": "I was not I was very I feel like I'm very conventionally whatever." }, { "end_time": "34:13", "start_time": "34:13", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "34:17", "start_time": "34:13", "text": "Like, I'm I'm sure that there are men who will like me and men who will dislike me." }, { "end_time": "34:17", "start_time": "34:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:21", "start_time": "34:17", "text": "But I know that I'm not supermodel, and I don't even aspire to me." }, { "end_time": "34:21", "start_time": "34:21", "text": "Like, that's fine." }, { "end_time": "34:24", "start_time": "34:21", "text": "Are you comfortable, like, in yourself right now?" }, { "end_time": "34:25", "start_time": "34:24", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "34:30", "start_time": "34:25", "text": "I want to like, if I could, I would, like, circle things on my body and be like, I want this to go." }, { "end_time": "34:30", "start_time": "34:30", "text": "I want this to go." }, { "end_time": "34:31", "start_time": "34:30", "text": "Like, just give me, like, an example." }, { "end_time": "34:33", "start_time": "34:31", "text": "Like, I want my stomach to be thinner." }, { "end_time": "34:35", "start_time": "34:33", "text": "I want my face to be smaller." }, { "end_time": "34:37", "start_time": "34:35", "text": "I want my nose to be, like, sharper." }, { "end_time": "34:38", "start_time": "34:37", "text": "Which is all Yeah." }, { "end_time": "34:45", "start_time": "34:38", "text": "Eurocentric beauty standards that I have now understood that, like, I saw in movies and in ads and in magazines." }, { "end_time": "34:48", "start_time": "34:45", "text": "And I I ate it up." }, { "end_time": "34:50", "start_time": "34:48", "text": "Like, I I've totally bought into it." }, { "end_time": "34:54", "start_time": "34:50", "text": "I was like, I have to look like this person who is just hot all the time." }, { "end_time": "34:54", "start_time": "34:54", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "34:55", "start_time": "34:54", "text": "Nobody's that hot all the time." }, { "end_time": "34:57", "start_time": "34:55", "text": "I mean, see, nobody can be perfect." }, { "end_time": "34:58", "start_time": "34:57", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "34:58", "start_time": "34:58", "text": "It is." }, { "end_time": "35:00", "start_time": "34:58", "text": "Unless you do, like, a lot of plastic surgery." }, { "end_time": "35:00", "start_time": "35:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:02", "start_time": "35:01", "text": "That that also is But Some." }, { "end_time": "35:02", "start_time": "35:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:04", "start_time": "35:02", "text": "But nobody can be perfect." }, { "end_time": "35:04", "start_time": "35:04", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "35:04", "start_time": "35:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:07", "start_time": "35:04", "text": "We actually see this image in the gym a lot with, like, hardcore gymmers." }, { "end_time": "35:11", "start_time": "35:07", "text": "You know, the guys are, like, with what I used to be at one point, just guzzling protein shake, rib." }, { "end_time": "35:11", "start_time": "35:11", "text": "Everywhere." }, { "end_time": "35:14", "start_time": "35:11", "text": "And, like, his face is ripped somehow." }, { "end_time": "35:14", "start_time": "35:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "35:15", "start_time": "35:14", "text": "Like, criticize each other's biceps." }, { "end_time": "35:17", "start_time": "35:15", "text": "Like, the other guy would also have huge biceps." }, { "end_time": "35:18", "start_time": "35:18", "text": "My god." }, { "end_time": "35:23", "start_time": "35:18", "text": "So, you know, I I see these same images in, like, the bodybuilding and gymming world as well." }, { "end_time": "35:26", "start_time": "35:23", "text": "But in saying that, I'll tell you, this is just my experience." }, { "end_time": "35:39", "start_time": "35:26", "text": "The 2 kind of greatest changes in my life, one was the gym, not just because of how it made my body But every time you gym, every time you exert your body, you put in, like, 45 minutes of work weight, like, thrice a week." }, { "end_time": "35:42", "start_time": "35:39", "text": "And at the end of it, your entire mental state changes." }, { "end_time": "35:44", "start_time": "35:42", "text": "Like, you'll enter the gym with one kind of mental state." }, { "end_time": "35:45", "start_time": "35:44", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "35:51", "start_time": "35:45", "text": "Like, you'll have questions in your head and you'll have confusion in your head and doubts and negative, like, just tangents going on in your head." }, { "end_time": "35:55", "start_time": "35:51", "text": "And immediately, as soon as, like, your gymming session is over, you'll be, oh, okay." }, { "end_time": "35:56", "start_time": "35:55", "text": "I feel much better now." }, { "end_time": "35:58", "start_time": "35:57", "text": "Like, some clarity in your head." }, { "end_time": "35:59", "start_time": "35:58", "text": "There's science behind this." }, { "end_time": "36:01", "start_time": "35:59", "text": "There's, like, a lot of dopamine that's released." }, { "end_time": "36:01", "start_time": "36:01", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:01", "start_time": "36:01", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "36:05", "start_time": "36:01", "text": "There is all the feel good hormones, so called feel good hormones of the body that are Serotonin?" }, { "end_time": "36:06", "start_time": "36:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:07", "start_time": "36:06", "text": "It's it's a bunch." }, { "end_time": "36:07", "start_time": "36:07", "text": "There's serotonin." }, { "end_time": "36:08", "start_time": "36:07", "text": "There's oxytocin." }, { "end_time": "36:09", "start_time": "36:08", "text": "There's dopamine." }, { "end_time": "36:09", "start_time": "36:09", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "36:13", "start_time": "36:09", "text": "But when dopamine can basically be released when you're doing drugs, when you do anything, you enjoy." }, { "end_time": "36:14", "start_time": "36:13", "text": "Even with sex also." }, { "end_time": "36:14", "start_time": "36:14", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "36:15", "start_time": "36:14", "text": "That's the truth." }, { "end_time": "36:15", "start_time": "36:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:17", "start_time": "36:16", "text": "Oxytocin is released when you're cuddling." }, { "end_time": "36:18", "start_time": "36:17", "text": "That's why it's called, like, the love hormone." }, { "end_time": "36:19", "start_time": "36:18", "text": "Oxytocin and serotonin." }, { "end_time": "36:23", "start_time": "36:20", "text": "But, basically, when you're gymming, these hormones are released for two reasons." }, { "end_time": "36:23", "start_time": "36:23", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "36:24", "start_time": "36:23", "text": "Or when you're exerting your body." }, { "end_time": "36:26", "start_time": "36:24", "text": "See, what is exertion of a body?" }, { "end_time": "36:27", "start_time": "36:26", "text": "I'm taking, like, this glass and picking it up." }, { "end_time": "36:28", "start_time": "36:27", "text": "So I'm using my muscle to pick it up." }, { "end_time": "36:30", "start_time": "36:28", "text": "So my muscle gets slightly damaged." }, { "end_time": "36:32", "start_time": "36:30", "text": "So body realizes shit damage." }, { "end_time": "36:32", "start_time": "36:32", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "36:36", "start_time": "36:32", "text": "And it just throws in those hormones to make your mental space feel better." }, { "end_time": "36:39", "start_time": "36:36", "text": "So it'll definitely help your muscle, but at the same time, it'll help your mental space also a lot." }, { "end_time": "36:40", "start_time": "36:39", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "36:46", "start_time": "36:40", "text": "And, I work at like a very high pace in work right now, and there's thousands of business problems that creep into my head every single day." }, { "end_time": "36:47", "start_time": "36:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:51", "start_time": "36:47", "text": "But I have to have that 1 hour of gymming just to be able to mentally, like, release myself." }, { "end_time": "36:53", "start_time": "36:51", "text": "It's like blowing off steam." }, { "end_time": "36:54", "start_time": "36:53", "text": "So the first change was the gym." }, { "end_time": "36:59", "start_time": "36:55", "text": "The second big change I brought into my life was playing a sport again." }, { "end_time": "37:02", "start_time": "36:59", "text": "Because you don't get to know where time passes by you." }, { "end_time": "37:02", "start_time": "37:02", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "37:07", "start_time": "37:02", "text": "Like, when you're playing a game of football, you'll be playing for, like, 2 hours, and you're so involved in the game, so involved with your bros, with your teammates." }, { "end_time": "37:08", "start_time": "37:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "37:10", "start_time": "37:08", "text": "And and, I mean, the same applies to something like dance." }, { "end_time": "37:10", "start_time": "37:10", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "37:12", "start_time": "37:10", "text": "I've I've had, like, a dancing phase as well." }, { "end_time": "37:17", "start_time": "37:12", "text": "Anything physical where you throw yourself entirely and are just focused on that activity." }, { "end_time": "37:17", "start_time": "37:17", "text": "A lot." }, { "end_time": "37:20", "start_time": "37:17", "text": "And I've had a lot of mental health issues growing up." }, { "end_time": "37:20", "start_time": "37:20", "text": "You can't imagine." }, { "end_time": "37:22", "start_time": "37:20", "text": "Like, I've gone through, like, major depression." }, { "end_time": "37:23", "start_time": "37:22", "text": "You say had." }, { "end_time": "37:23", "start_time": "37:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "37:26", "start_time": "37:23", "text": "So you are, like, you feel like you are solved?" }, { "end_time": "37:26", "start_time": "37:26", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "37:27", "start_time": "37:26", "text": "As opposed?" }, { "end_time": "37:27", "start_time": "37:27", "text": "Now I am." }, { "end_time": "37:28", "start_time": "37:28", "text": "And you know why?" }, { "end_time": "37:29", "start_time": "37:28", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "37:31", "start_time": "37:29", "text": "Because there's literally no toxin that goes inside my body." }, { "end_time": "37:32", "start_time": "37:31", "text": "Like, I've given up alcohol." }, { "end_time": "37:34", "start_time": "37:32", "text": "I've given up pot." }, { "end_time": "37:36", "start_time": "37:34", "text": "I've given up there's no smoking ever in my life." }, { "end_time": "37:39", "start_time": "37:36", "text": "Like, there's no meat in my life." }, { "end_time": "37:39", "start_time": "37:39", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "37:43", "start_time": "37:39", "text": "There is, like, a very kind of balanced, slightly boring satwik diet." }, { "end_time": "37:49", "start_time": "37:43", "text": "And all this is backed by 3 important aspects, physical exercise, like a lot of work." }, { "end_time": "37:51", "start_time": "37:49", "text": "Like, my mind is very busy." }, { "end_time": "37:53", "start_time": "37:51", "text": "And the third is that I meditate for 2 hours daily." }, { "end_time": "38:00", "start_time": "37:53", "text": "And then meditation session is like you're taking an ice bucket full of water and pouring it onto, like, your hot brain." }, { "end_time": "38:03", "start_time": "38:00", "text": "So every morning when I wake up and, you know, I'll have, oh, god, dude." }, { "end_time": "38:05", "start_time": "38:03", "text": "Like, I've got, like, all these things to do today." }, { "end_time": "38:06", "start_time": "38:05", "text": "I have to sort out these problems." }, { "end_time": "38:07", "start_time": "38:06", "text": "And I'll meditate." }, { "end_time": "38:13", "start_time": "38:07", "text": "My mind will get cool, and then the solution to all those problems will be, like, right in front of me, and then I go into office." }, { "end_time": "38:18", "start_time": "38:14", "text": "So at work, obviously, there's, like, your daily work tensions, all of that, you know, and people coming up to you." }, { "end_time": "38:24", "start_time": "38:18", "text": "And also if you're running businesses, you have responsibility of salaries, you have responsibility of people's leadership, individual problems." }, { "end_time": "38:27", "start_time": "38:24", "text": "Tomorrow, Raja saw Blake, one of them could be having a problem." }, { "end_time": "38:29", "start_time": "38:27", "text": "And as a leader, I wanna take a little bit of that on myself." }, { "end_time": "38:31", "start_time": "38:29", "text": "So I I take away some of the attention from them." }, { "end_time": "38:31", "start_time": "38:31", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "38:32", "start_time": "38:31", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "38:33", "start_time": "38:32", "text": "So and then I get home." }, { "end_time": "38:34", "start_time": "38:33", "text": "I do my Netflix for a bit." }, { "end_time": "38:34", "start_time": "38:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "38:39", "start_time": "38:34", "text": "But then my head is full of these micro problems of other people, my own problems." }, { "end_time": "38:39", "start_time": "38:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "38:42", "start_time": "38:39", "text": "And with the micro problems, it gets all heated up." }, { "end_time": "38:42", "start_time": "38:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "38:44", "start_time": "38:42", "text": "And, again, I, like, pour the cold water on myself." }, { "end_time": "38:45", "start_time": "38:44", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "38:46", "start_time": "38:45", "text": "Meditate for, like, an hour." }, { "end_time": "38:46", "start_time": "38:46", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "38:47", "start_time": "38:46", "text": "And I do, like, intense meditations." }, { "end_time": "38:48", "start_time": "38:47", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "38:53", "start_time": "38:48", "text": "Now the core of why meditation helps you with your mental health is two reasons." }, { "end_time": "38:53", "start_time": "38:53", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "38:57", "start_time": "38:53", "text": "1, you become super self aware in the silence." }, { "end_time": "39:05", "start_time": "38:58", "text": "So when you're silent for, like, an hour, all your thoughts kind of just bubble up in front of you." }, { "end_time": "39:07", "start_time": "39:05", "text": "They'll they'll like rise within you." }, { "end_time": "39:08", "start_time": "39:07", "text": "And you're not supposed to talk." }, { "end_time": "39:10", "start_time": "39:08", "text": "So even if there's a negative thought, you don't see anything." }, { "end_time": "39:10", "start_time": "39:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "39:13", "start_time": "39:10", "text": "So you're just able to observe it really well." }, { "end_time": "39:18", "start_time": "39:13", "text": "And because there's so much silence and calm inside you, the solution also always pops in your head." }, { "end_time": "39:19", "start_time": "39:18", "text": "That's one aspect of it." }, { "end_time": "39:24", "start_time": "39:19", "text": "The second aspect of it is something called grounding, which is the core aspect of, like, all mental health issues in the world." }, { "end_time": "39:25", "start_time": "39:24", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "39:26", "start_time": "39:25", "text": "Which is that okay." }, { "end_time": "39:26", "start_time": "39:26", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "39:30", "start_time": "39:26", "text": "Any kind of mental health issue basically boils down to an aspect of overthinking." }, { "end_time": "39:31", "start_time": "39:31", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "39:31", "start_time": "39:31", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "39:33", "start_time": "39:31", "text": "Like, so it can be, like, any negative thing." }, { "end_time": "39:34", "start_time": "39:33", "text": "It can be like a breakup." }, { "end_time": "39:36", "start_time": "39:34", "text": "It can be, say, body image issues." }, { "end_time": "39:39", "start_time": "39:36", "text": "It can be, career, nervousness." }, { "end_time": "39:43", "start_time": "39:39", "text": "All of it is because you're going on these tangents of what ifs." }, { "end_time": "39:47", "start_time": "39:43", "text": "Like, my body image issues are bad to what will people think of me." }, { "end_time": "39:48", "start_time": "39:47", "text": "What will my family think of me?" }, { "end_time": "39:49", "start_time": "39:48", "text": "Where will I find a spouse?" }, { "end_time": "39:51", "start_time": "39:50", "text": "My career may not go well." }, { "end_time": "39:52", "start_time": "39:51", "text": "Shit." }, { "end_time": "39:53", "start_time": "39:52", "text": "How will I pay for all this?" }, { "end_time": "39:53", "start_time": "39:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "39:53", "start_time": "39:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "39:53", "start_time": "39:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "39:54", "start_time": "39:53", "text": "It's all overthinking." }, { "end_time": "39:59", "start_time": "39:55", "text": "But if you're able to ground yourself, you stay in one moment." }, { "end_time": "39:59", "start_time": "39:59", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "40:02", "start_time": "39:59", "text": "And there are actual meditations to be able to ground yourself." }, { "end_time": "40:03", "start_time": "40:02", "text": "So are you familiar with chakras?" }, { "end_time": "40:03", "start_time": "40:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "40:08", "start_time": "40:03", "text": "I know about the chakras and them having to be aligned." }, { "end_time": "40:09", "start_time": "40:08", "text": "That's all I know." }, { "end_time": "40:09", "start_time": "40:09", "text": "That's all I know." }, { "end_time": "40:09", "start_time": "40:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "40:13", "start_time": "40:09", "text": "So chakras, it's a long conversation which we won't have right now." }, { "end_time": "40:16", "start_time": "40:13", "text": "But, basically, if you know there are 7 chakras along your cerebrospinal axis." }, { "end_time": "40:22", "start_time": "40:16", "text": "So in yoga, the most important part of your body is your brain and your spine together." }, { "end_time": "40:22", "start_time": "40:22", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "40:24", "start_time": "40:22", "text": "And the organs along your brain and your spine Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "40:34", "start_time": "40:25", "text": "Which is your, brain, obviously, your cerebrum, your medulla oblongata, along with your pineal gland, your thyroid, obviously, your heart Uh-huh." }, { "end_time": "40:38", "start_time": "40:34", "text": "Your stomach, your, intestine, and then your sex organs." }, { "end_time": "40:39", "start_time": "40:38", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "40:46", "start_time": "40:39", "text": "Now coming to mental health, the most important chakra related to overthinking mental health is your lowest chakra Okay." }, { "end_time": "40:47", "start_time": "40:46", "text": "Which is in your sex organs." }, { "end_time": "40:47", "start_time": "40:47", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "40:51", "start_time": "40:47", "text": "So there are particular meditations to kind of calm down that lowest chakra." }, { "end_time": "40:51", "start_time": "40:51", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "40:56", "start_time": "40:51", "text": "And I've I've this is something that you'll only believe after you actually experience it yourself." }, { "end_time": "41:00", "start_time": "40:56", "text": "I can't talk about it on the Internet because in yoga, you're not supposed to put out information like this." }, { "end_time": "41:00", "start_time": "41:00", "text": "Uh-huh." }, { "end_time": "41:02", "start_time": "41:00", "text": "This conversation we'll have after the podcast." }, { "end_time": "41:02", "start_time": "41:02", "text": "Afterwards." }, { "end_time": "41:05", "start_time": "41:02", "text": "But, in saying that, what is grounding?" }, { "end_time": "41:08", "start_time": "41:05", "text": "It's basically just your ability to stay in one place." }, { "end_time": "41:10", "start_time": "41:08", "text": "And as a kid, you're usually very grounded." }, { "end_time": "41:13", "start_time": "41:10", "text": "If if someone gives you a toy, you know, you're, like, you're just in that toy." }, { "end_time": "41:13", "start_time": "41:13", "text": "You're focused." }, { "end_time": "41:14", "start_time": "41:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "41:17", "start_time": "41:14", "text": "Even a fascinating TV show is going on, you're just in that fascinating TV show." }, { "end_time": "41:19", "start_time": "41:17", "text": "And as you grow up, problems start creeping in." }, { "end_time": "41:20", "start_time": "41:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "41:20", "start_time": "41:20", "text": "Why?" }, { "end_time": "41:30", "start_time": "41:20", "text": "Because the world kind of takes away your innocence, which is what happened to you from Kanpur to Delhi, where people make you aware of how bad people in this world you're probably a really good human being at Kanpur." }, { "end_time": "41:30", "start_time": "41:30", "text": "You probably yourself." }, { "end_time": "41:31", "start_time": "41:30", "text": "I still am." }, { "end_time": "41:33", "start_time": "41:31", "text": "I mean, I mean, yeah." }, { "end_time": "41:34", "start_time": "41:33", "text": "Just You grew up." }, { "end_time": "41:34", "start_time": "41:34", "text": "Bad though." }, { "end_time": "41:34", "start_time": "41:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "41:37", "start_time": "41:34", "text": "So you grew up as a very innocent person in Kanpur." }, { "end_time": "41:38", "start_time": "41:37", "text": "You never judge too many people yourself." }, { "end_time": "41:42", "start_time": "41:39", "text": "And then you probably went to Delhi and you saw a lot more judgment there in general." }, { "end_time": "41:44", "start_time": "41:42", "text": "You went to a big city and saw that, okay, people are capable of judging." }, { "end_time": "41:45", "start_time": "41:44", "text": "So shit." }, { "end_time": "41:46", "start_time": "41:45", "text": "Am I also victim of all this judgment?" }, { "end_time": "41:47", "start_time": "41:47", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "41:48", "start_time": "41:47", "text": "That's one aspect of it." }, { "end_time": "41:53", "start_time": "41:48", "text": "But then secondly, and more importantly, and this is something I've only realized through my own experience." }, { "end_time": "42:02", "start_time": "41:53", "text": "The one biggest factor in keeping you ungrounded in life is these toxins that have become super normalized now due to western culture, which is that now I'm biceps." }, { "end_time": "42:03", "start_time": "42:02", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "42:06", "start_time": "42:03", "text": "Even I've had my partying past Think about it, Ravi." }, { "end_time": "42:07", "start_time": "42:06", "text": "What are you saying?" }, { "end_time": "42:10", "start_time": "42:07", "text": "But I think giving up alcohol and this is not something for everyone." }, { "end_time": "42:10", "start_time": "42:10", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "42:12", "start_time": "42:10", "text": "Not everyone's capable of giving up alcohol, and you're not you shouldn't." }, { "end_time": "42:16", "start_time": "42:12", "text": "I gave it up for my yoga, for my meditation to take those things more deeper." }, { "end_time": "42:17", "start_time": "42:16", "text": "Uh-huh." }, { "end_time": "42:21", "start_time": "42:17", "text": "But when you properly give up alcohol, you kind of feel like there's a leash that's, like, removed from you." }, { "end_time": "42:22", "start_time": "42:21", "text": "And then you can't ever go back to it." }, { "end_time": "42:23", "start_time": "42:22", "text": "Like, you can't even smell it." }, { "end_time": "42:24", "start_time": "42:23", "text": "Like, you don't even feel comfortable smelling." }, { "end_time": "42:26", "start_time": "42:24", "text": "And I've been a huge drinker myself." }, { "end_time": "42:28", "start_time": "42:26", "text": "Like, I've enjoyed my old manh, and I've enjoyed my beers, but I cannot drink." }, { "end_time": "42:32", "start_time": "42:28", "text": "I've been to, like, huge parties with, like, the biggest people now, and they offer me drinks, and I just say, sorry, bro." }, { "end_time": "42:33", "start_time": "42:32", "text": "I'm a yoga guy." }, { "end_time": "42:34", "start_time": "42:33", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "42:35", "start_time": "42:34", "text": "And I'm so happy because of that." }, { "end_time": "42:36", "start_time": "42:35", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "42:37", "start_time": "42:36", "text": "That's one aspect of it." }, { "end_time": "42:45", "start_time": "42:41", "text": "Secondly, obviously, I've spoken a lot about meat on other podcasts." }, { "end_time": "42:45", "start_time": "42:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:47", "start_time": "42:45", "text": "That was the other I mean, you're a vegetarian as well." }, { "end_time": "42:47", "start_time": "42:47", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "42:48", "start_time": "42:47", "text": "And And I'm also a retailer." }, { "end_time": "42:49", "start_time": "42:48", "text": "Oh, really?" }, { "end_time": "42:49", "start_time": "42:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:49", "start_time": "42:49", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "42:50", "start_time": "42:49", "text": "Cool." }, { "end_time": "42:52", "start_time": "42:50", "text": "So, you are stable." }, { "end_time": "42:54", "start_time": "42:52", "text": "Are there any bad habits in your life?" }, { "end_time": "42:59", "start_time": "42:55", "text": "Just, just thinking and overthinking and, like, shit like that." }, { "end_time": "42:59", "start_time": "42:59", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "43:01", "start_time": "42:59", "text": "So But, like, not like like, eating." }, { "end_time": "43:02", "start_time": "43:01", "text": "I yeah." }, { "end_time": "43:03", "start_time": "43:02", "text": "Like, I eat a lot of junk." }, { "end_time": "43:05", "start_time": "43:03", "text": "So that's that's where the toxins are entering from." }, { "end_time": "43:05", "start_time": "43:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "43:11", "start_time": "43:05", "text": "So when you remove the junk, obviously, it's gonna help your physical body, but you have no idea how much it helps your body as well." }, { "end_time": "43:16", "start_time": "43:11", "text": "Like, if you move to actual clean home cooked fresh food, lots of vegetables so good, Ranvir." }, { "end_time": "43:19", "start_time": "43:17", "text": "So good to eat chips at the end of the day." }, { "end_time": "43:22", "start_time": "43:19", "text": "Have you ever just eaten chips dipped in cheese?" }, { "end_time": "43:22", "start_time": "43:22", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "43:23", "start_time": "43:22", "text": "What if I told you?" }, { "end_time": "43:24", "start_time": "43:23", "text": "Disgusting." }, { "end_time": "43:25", "start_time": "43:24", "text": "I But it's so good." }, { "end_time": "43:26", "start_time": "43:25", "text": "I agree with you." }, { "end_time": "43:27", "start_time": "43:26", "text": "I agree with you." }, { "end_time": "43:29", "start_time": "43:27", "text": "But You can see that glimmer in your eye, and you're like, no." }, { "end_time": "43:30", "start_time": "43:29", "text": "Shut up." }, { "end_time": "43:30", "start_time": "43:30", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "43:30", "start_time": "43:30", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "43:31", "start_time": "43:30", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "43:31", "start_time": "43:31", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "43:32", "start_time": "43:31", "text": "I I agree with you." }, { "end_time": "43:33", "start_time": "43:32", "text": "But okay." }, { "end_time": "43:35", "start_time": "43:33", "text": "And now I'm gonna give you 2 options." }, { "end_time": "43:42", "start_time": "43:35", "text": "A life full of chips and cheese every night with a lot of mental health issues or chips and cheese once a week with, like I'll die tomorrow for chips, Rafi." }, { "end_time": "43:44", "start_time": "43:42", "text": "I don't care about this." }, { "end_time": "43:44", "start_time": "43:44", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "43:46", "start_time": "43:44", "text": "I I get what you're saying." }, { "end_time": "43:46", "start_time": "43:46", "text": "I understand." }, { "end_time": "43:56", "start_time": "43:46", "text": "Why you also see a lot of older people just automatically their bodies switch to like Because they become aware of this fact over their lifetimes." }, { "end_time": "44:00", "start_time": "43:56", "text": "And again, I have become a Buddha, like super human like How old are you, Santh Ranveer?" }, { "end_time": "44:03", "start_time": "44:01", "text": "I I know that the way I live my life is too extreme." }, { "end_time": "44:03", "start_time": "44:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "44:04", "start_time": "44:03", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "44:04", "start_time": "44:04", "text": "It's not Yeah." }, { "end_time": "44:06", "start_time": "44:04", "text": "Every young person's cup of tea, which is fine." }, { "end_time": "44:07", "start_time": "44:06", "text": "I get that." }, { "end_time": "44:12", "start_time": "44:08", "text": "And I don't force it on people, but I also believe I'm the happiest dude you'll ever meet in your life." }, { "end_time": "44:14", "start_time": "44:12", "text": "So That's really good." }, { "end_time": "44:15", "start_time": "44:14", "text": "That is aspirational." }, { "end_time": "44:19", "start_time": "44:15", "text": "Actually, I see you and I've almost never seen you not smiling." }, { "end_time": "44:19", "start_time": "44:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "44:22", "start_time": "44:19", "text": "And to myself, I've thought, what's the deal with this guy?" }, { "end_time": "44:27", "start_time": "44:22", "text": "Like, how right can everything be going in his life that he's this happy all the time?" }, { "end_time": "44:28", "start_time": "44:27", "text": "Like, whenever I've seen you." }, { "end_time": "44:28", "start_time": "44:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "44:31", "start_time": "44:28", "text": "But that's also because I've had my share of partying Of course." }, { "end_time": "44:31", "start_time": "44:31", "text": "Sadness." }, { "end_time": "44:32", "start_time": "44:31", "text": "Of course, you have." }, { "end_time": "44:32", "start_time": "44:32", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "44:32", "start_time": "44:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "44:33", "start_time": "44:32", "text": "I I get it." }, { "end_time": "44:33", "start_time": "44:33", "text": "I get it." }, { "end_time": "44:35", "start_time": "44:33", "text": "So that's that's that aspect of life." }, { "end_time": "44:35", "start_time": "44:35", "text": "But okay." }, { "end_time": "44:36", "start_time": "44:35", "text": "I'll tell you what." }, { "end_time": "44:37", "start_time": "44:36", "text": "Take it as a challenge for yourself." }, { "end_time": "44:40", "start_time": "44:38", "text": "Go 30 days without processed food and see the way your brain changes." }, { "end_time": "44:44", "start_time": "44:41", "text": "But then I have another conundrum." }, { "end_time": "44:53", "start_time": "44:45", "text": "Everything in this currently, what whatever is available, easily available, not so easily available, has some amount of processed whatever in it." }, { "end_time": "44:56", "start_time": "44:53", "text": "Like, not everything can be organic 100%." }, { "end_time": "44:57", "start_time": "44:56", "text": "That you put in your body." }, { "end_time": "44:58", "start_time": "44:57", "text": "So then what do you do?" }, { "end_time": "45:03", "start_time": "44:58", "text": "And and this is someone who's middle class and doesn't have access to nature's basket and stuff." }, { "end_time": "45:06", "start_time": "45:03", "text": "When I'm when I'm saying processed, I don't mean organic vegetables." }, { "end_time": "45:08", "start_time": "45:06", "text": "I just mean things that you cook and eat." }, { "end_time": "45:11", "start_time": "45:09", "text": "As in you can put processed salt." }, { "end_time": "45:13", "start_time": "45:11", "text": "You can put, like, you know, you can buy your local stuff." }, { "end_time": "45:14", "start_time": "45:13", "text": "Whatever." }, { "end_time": "45:16", "start_time": "45:14", "text": "I'm just saying you avoid the packaged stuff." }, { "end_time": "45:22", "start_time": "45:16", "text": "Stuff that comes out of a factory, like your chips or your, excess amounts of cheese." }, { "end_time": "45:24", "start_time": "45:22", "text": "Desserts, that's another huge one." }, { "end_time": "45:25", "start_time": "45:24", "text": "Like, desserts, my god." }, { "end_time": "45:27", "start_time": "45:25", "text": "Again, I've had a huge sweet tooth in my life." }, { "end_time": "45:30", "start_time": "45:27", "text": "That was the earliest change I made after my gallbladder removal." }, { "end_time": "45:30", "start_time": "45:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:34", "start_time": "45:30", "text": "Like, I had this phase in my life where I was literally eating as I go to, like, this local mithai shop." }, { "end_time": "45:34", "start_time": "45:34", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "45:36", "start_time": "45:34", "text": "And I still have, like, 4 gulab jamuns." }, { "end_time": "45:37", "start_time": "45:36", "text": "Do you know what Malpu is?" }, { "end_time": "45:38", "start_time": "45:37", "text": "That's yesterday." }, { "end_time": "45:40", "start_time": "45:38", "text": "That's last night for me, actually." }, { "end_time": "45:40", "start_time": "45:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:46", "start_time": "45:40", "text": "And But then what is there to life if there is no dessert There's is my question." }, { "end_time": "45:47", "start_time": "45:46", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "45:48", "start_time": "45:47", "text": "I'll tell I'll give you my answer." }, { "end_time": "45:55", "start_time": "45:48", "text": "There's a lot of love, generally, because when your mental health is great, you just wanna be a giver, and you wanna spread your positivity." }, { "end_time": "45:55", "start_time": "45:55", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "46:01", "start_time": "45:55", "text": "There is sport, which is one of the most mentally engaging and spiritually engaging things if you get into it in the long run." }, { "end_time": "46:03", "start_time": "46:01", "text": "I've seen I've seen the appeal in that." }, { "end_time": "46:03", "start_time": "46:03", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "46:06", "start_time": "46:03", "text": "And sport also includes dance or any activity that you win." }, { "end_time": "46:07", "start_time": "46:06", "text": "Any physical activity." }, { "end_time": "46:07", "start_time": "46:07", "text": "Physically moving." }, { "end_time": "46:08", "start_time": "46:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:08", "start_time": "46:08", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:09", "start_time": "46:08", "text": "There is work." }, { "end_time": "46:11", "start_time": "46:09", "text": "Dude, work is one of the most fulfilling things." }, { "end_time": "46:15", "start_time": "46:11", "text": "Today, Shashi, you're earning way more than you expected yourself to earn." }, { "end_time": "46:15", "start_time": "46:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:15", "start_time": "46:15", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "46:16", "start_time": "46:15", "text": "So what is happening?" }, { "end_time": "46:17", "start_time": "46:16", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:25", "start_time": "46:17", "text": "There is at least now if you're paying your maid, okay, who comes home to clean, and I'm sure you're paying, like, maybe 1, 2 other people indirectly, you are also in charge for their live livelihood." }, { "end_time": "46:28", "start_time": "46:26", "text": "Shout out to Reshma Didi at this point." }, { "end_time": "46:29", "start_time": "46:28", "text": "She's literally the best." }, { "end_time": "46:34", "start_time": "46:29", "text": "And I feel in your mid twenties, if you're earning well, if you're earning decently enough, if you're able to contribute to your family Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:41", "start_time": "46:35", "text": "That is a huge advantage because, one, you've proven yourself from every young kid doubts himself that you'll be able to do something like that." }, { "end_time": "46:43", "start_time": "46:41", "text": "I have savings and tell me this." }, { "end_time": "46:46", "start_time": "46:43", "text": "This isn't this the best, most awesome feeling as an adult?" }, { "end_time": "46:47", "start_time": "46:46", "text": "Like, I have an SIP." }, { "end_time": "46:49", "start_time": "46:47", "text": "Like, I didn't know what it was." }, { "end_time": "46:50", "start_time": "46:49", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "46:51", "start_time": "46:50", "text": "Now mutual funds, dude." }, { "end_time": "46:52", "start_time": "46:51", "text": "Like, it's wild." }, { "end_time": "46:53", "start_time": "46:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:55", "start_time": "46:53", "text": "And coming to, like, business sis Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:04", "start_time": "46:56", "text": "Dude, when I see, like, kids, like, walking into this office, and I realized that, damn, this started with Rajas and me, you know, just recording videos, and now there's, like, 40 people here." }, { "end_time": "47:05", "start_time": "47:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:06", "start_time": "47:05", "text": "40 families are getting back." }, { "end_time": "47:07", "start_time": "47:06", "text": "It's an office." }, { "end_time": "47:09", "start_time": "47:07", "text": "Like, it's a blowout, dude." }, { "end_time": "47:10", "start_time": "47:09", "text": "Like, it's massive." }, { "end_time": "47:15", "start_time": "47:10", "text": "So that's that so that feeling of responsibility is the biggest rush of life." }, { "end_time": "47:19", "start_time": "47:15", "text": "It's bigger it's a bigger rush than alcohol, marijuana, smoking Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "47:20", "start_time": "47:19", "text": "Non veg, anything." }, { "end_time": "47:23", "start_time": "47:21", "text": "So every morning, maybe I wake up with a little tension." }, { "end_time": "47:28", "start_time": "47:25", "text": "I sort out the tension in my meditation and I enter this office in a very positive mind space." }, { "end_time": "47:29", "start_time": "47:29", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "47:32", "start_time": "47:29", "text": "Where I get to mentor young motivated capable kids." }, { "end_time": "47:34", "start_time": "47:32", "text": "I get to grow this business further." }, { "end_time": "47:37", "start_time": "47:34", "text": "I get to increase the amount of employment I'm creating in the world." }, { "end_time": "47:40", "start_time": "47:37", "text": "But that's again my very personal perspective on things." }, { "end_time": "47:41", "start_time": "47:41", "text": "That's nice." }, { "end_time": "47:42", "start_time": "47:41", "text": "That's nice to have." }, { "end_time": "47:45", "start_time": "47:42", "text": "My perspective is we are all going to die." }, { "end_time": "47:45", "start_time": "47:45", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "47:46", "start_time": "47:45", "text": "Like, you are gonna die." }, { "end_time": "47:47", "start_time": "47:46", "text": "I'm gonna die." }, { "end_time": "47:48", "start_time": "47:47", "text": "This guy's gonna die." }, { "end_time": "47:49", "start_time": "47:48", "text": "Everyone is gonna die." }, { "end_time": "47:49", "start_time": "47:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:50", "start_time": "47:49", "text": "It's inescapable." }, { "end_time": "47:51", "start_time": "47:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:54", "start_time": "47:51", "text": "It shocks me that we don't talk about it all the time." }, { "end_time": "47:55", "start_time": "47:54", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "47:57", "start_time": "47:55", "text": "But but you're I think about it a lot." }, { "end_time": "48:06", "start_time": "47:57", "text": "And to the point where I sometimes feel like what is the point of anything, which is classic nihilism, nihilistic feeling of the world doesn't matter." }, { "end_time": "48:13", "start_time": "48:07", "text": "So for me, that becomes a little paralyzing in my, like, real like, in the real world, I need money to survive." }, { "end_time": "48:13", "start_time": "48:13", "text": "I need to go out." }, { "end_time": "48:14", "start_time": "48:13", "text": "I need to have a social life." }, { "end_time": "48:17", "start_time": "48:14", "text": "I need to, like, make money and whatever." }, { "end_time": "48:22", "start_time": "48:18", "text": "But this crippling feeling of I'm gonna die anyway." }, { "end_time": "48:24", "start_time": "48:22", "text": "How does any of you But you're also going to live for so many years before you die." }, { "end_time": "48:27", "start_time": "48:24", "text": "So why not create a huge impact in those years?" }, { "end_time": "48:31", "start_time": "48:27", "text": "I feel like we're all specks of dust in the big old universe." }, { "end_time": "48:31", "start_time": "48:31", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "48:33", "start_time": "48:31", "text": "Like, how does it who gives a what we do?" }, { "end_time": "48:37", "start_time": "48:33", "text": "Like, do you think people give about, like, Chanakya or Swami Vivekananda?" }, { "end_time": "48:39", "start_time": "48:37", "text": "I'm I'm sure." }, { "end_time": "48:44", "start_time": "48:39", "text": "But, like, imagine, like, in the next 20,000 years, the oath is dead." }, { "end_time": "48:45", "start_time": "48:44", "text": "Then Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:45", "start_time": "48:45", "text": "It matters." }, { "end_time": "48:50", "start_time": "48:45", "text": "I feel like I mean, what's the purpose of human life other than doing your duty, which is making the world a better place?" }, { "end_time": "48:52", "start_time": "48:50", "text": "So while you're here, make the best of it." }, { "end_time": "48:55", "start_time": "48:52", "text": "Like, spread happiness, spread positivity, spread money." }, { "end_time": "48:57", "start_time": "48:55", "text": "So Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:58", "start_time": "48:57", "text": "That is so yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:00", "start_time": "48:58", "text": "Anybody who's making enough money, give it to other people." }, { "end_time": "49:02", "start_time": "49:00", "text": "Now don't just hold it like an idiot." }, { "end_time": "49:03", "start_time": "49:02", "text": "The biggest rush of making money Yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:04", "start_time": "49:04", "text": "Is giving it away." }, { "end_time": "49:11", "start_time": "49:04", "text": "So there's this beautiful quote which says that, the the reason you're born is to find out what you're born for." }, { "end_time": "49:16", "start_time": "49:12", "text": "And the purpose you're born is to be able to give away that thing you were born for." }, { "end_time": "49:17", "start_time": "49:17", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "49:18", "start_time": "49:17", "text": "Who said that?" }, { "end_time": "49:23", "start_time": "49:18", "text": "I don't remember, but it's a quote that a lot of entrepreneurs use, and I feel it strongly as an entrepreneur." }, { "end_time": "49:25", "start_time": "49:23", "text": "Like Giving giving away." }, { "end_time": "49:25", "start_time": "49:25", "text": "Giving back." }, { "end_time": "49:25", "start_time": "49:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:29", "start_time": "49:25", "text": "If I'm if I have to get up early for, like, a meeting, like, let's say 7 AM, and I'm a late rise." }, { "end_time": "49:29", "start_time": "49:29", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "49:30", "start_time": "49:29", "text": "Get up at 11." }, { "end_time": "49:32", "start_time": "49:30", "text": "So getting up at 7 AM is a huge deal for me." }, { "end_time": "49:33", "start_time": "49:32", "text": "And I hate it." }, { "end_time": "49:35", "start_time": "49:33", "text": "What is 7 AM?" }, { "end_time": "49:37", "start_time": "49:35", "text": "Like, school Yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:38", "start_time": "49:37", "text": "It's not a real thing." }, { "end_time": "49:38", "start_time": "49:38", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "49:39", "start_time": "49:38", "text": "I hate the idea of getting up." }, { "end_time": "49:40", "start_time": "49:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:43", "start_time": "49:40", "text": "But I put the faces of the 40 kids in my organization in front of me, and I'm like, no." }, { "end_time": "49:44", "start_time": "49:43", "text": "I'll get up for them." }, { "end_time": "49:46", "start_time": "49:44", "text": "That's the purpose of my life." }, { "end_time": "49:46", "start_time": "49:46", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "49:46", "start_time": "49:46", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "49:50", "start_time": "49:46", "text": "And that's what helps me wake up every day and stay positive every day." }, { "end_time": "49:54", "start_time": "49:50", "text": "If I bring a negative mentality into these 4 walls it's gonna spread to each person." }, { "end_time": "49:55", "start_time": "49:54", "text": "Everyone will be negative." }, { "end_time": "49:55", "start_time": "49:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:58", "start_time": "49:55", "text": "But if the leader brings a positive mentality, it spreads." }, { "end_time": "49:58", "start_time": "49:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:59", "start_time": "49:58", "text": "Are you in a split?" }, { "end_time": "50:00", "start_time": "49:59", "text": "I agree with that." }, { "end_time": "50:04", "start_time": "50:00", "text": "I agree with, like, one fish will poison the pond kind of situation." }, { "end_time": "50:04", "start_time": "50:04", "text": "Like, that happens." }, { "end_time": "50:09", "start_time": "50:04", "text": "Like, your psyche is gonna affect the other next person, whoever you are talking to." }, { "end_time": "50:13", "start_time": "50:09", "text": "So, yeah, like, being positive obviously has it." }, { "end_time": "50:13", "start_time": "50:13", "text": "It's whatever." }, { "end_time": "50:16", "start_time": "50:14", "text": "And, like, I don't know." }, { "end_time": "50:24", "start_time": "50:16", "text": "Like, it's just I I really am kind of in awe of you also and slightly jealous of you also because, like, you just I'm jealous of you." }, { "end_time": "50:29", "start_time": "50:24", "text": "You just know that you have to wake up every day and be this person." }, { "end_time": "50:31", "start_time": "50:29", "text": "And I just know that I have to wake up every day and be this person." }, { "end_time": "50:32", "start_time": "50:31", "text": "Bro, can I tell you something?" }, { "end_time": "50:33", "start_time": "50:32", "text": "Was like sad." }, { "end_time": "50:34", "start_time": "50:33", "text": "Can I tell you something?" }, { "end_time": "50:34", "start_time": "50:34", "text": "What?" }, { "end_time": "50:36", "start_time": "50:34", "text": "I've met the correct people in my life." }, { "end_time": "50:38", "start_time": "50:36", "text": "I've met someone called Manish Pande, who's a big mentor to me." }, { "end_time": "50:41", "start_time": "50:38", "text": "I've met Viraj, Rajesh, who are amazing cofounders." }, { "end_time": "50:44", "start_time": "50:42", "text": "And they are the people who fill these thoughts in my head." }, { "end_time": "50:46", "start_time": "50:44", "text": "I feel like all of us have come from the same base." }, { "end_time": "50:50", "start_time": "50:46", "text": "I was also that kid with body image issues, with self too much self doubt." }, { "end_time": "50:53", "start_time": "50:50", "text": "And I just happened to find the correct people in life." }, { "end_time": "50:56", "start_time": "50:53", "text": "And I showed them myself doubt, and they told me that hold on." }, { "end_time": "50:56", "start_time": "50:56", "text": "Wait." }, { "end_time": "50:56", "start_time": "50:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "50:57", "start_time": "50:56", "text": "You need a mirror." }, { "end_time": "51:04", "start_time": "50:58", "text": "They showed me my mirror, which helped me, and this is what I'm trying to do through my career coaching, through talking to you." }, { "end_time": "51:04", "start_time": "51:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "51:08", "start_time": "51:04", "text": "Then I wanna remind you that Shishti Dixit, you're building one of the biggest brands." }, { "end_time": "51:09", "start_time": "51:08", "text": "And I'm I'm jealous of you." }, { "end_time": "51:10", "start_time": "51:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "51:12", "start_time": "51:10", "text": "Because, again, I see your stories on, like, Instagram." }, { "end_time": "51:13", "start_time": "51:12", "text": "I see the post you do." }, { "end_time": "51:16", "start_time": "51:13", "text": "I see how casually you write and just make people love you." }, { "end_time": "51:18", "start_time": "51:16", "text": "Like, you've been so casual about your brand." }, { "end_time": "51:19", "start_time": "51:18", "text": "I'm very hilarious." }, { "end_time": "51:20", "start_time": "51:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "51:21", "start_time": "51:20", "text": "It's like such a problem." }, { "end_time": "51:21", "start_time": "51:21", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "51:22", "start_time": "51:21", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "51:25", "start_time": "51:22", "text": "It's But I I I strongly also believe you've not met the right people in your life." }, { "end_time": "51:26", "start_time": "51:25", "text": "Strongly." }, { "end_time": "51:29", "start_time": "51:27", "text": "Like and I feel I feel like it's therapy." }, { "end_time": "51:35", "start_time": "51:29", "text": "Like, I feel like therapy will help me, and I do not know what it is that is stopping me from going for it." }, { "end_time": "51:44", "start_time": "51:35", "text": "Like, I've known this for the longest part, like, for the longest time in my life that I need to talk to someone about the way I feel and all the things I feel." }, { "end_time": "51:47", "start_time": "51:44", "text": "So what what is, like, the most negative thing in your head right now?" }, { "end_time": "51:49", "start_time": "51:47", "text": "Like, what is what is the thing that causes the most pain?" }, { "end_time": "51:52", "start_time": "51:49", "text": "What what do you get nervous about when you're sleeping at night?" }, { "end_time": "51:57", "start_time": "51:54", "text": "That I'm gonna die insignificantly, and it wouldn't matter." }, { "end_time": "52:00", "start_time": "51:57", "text": "And, like, nobody would, like, miss me or remember me." }, { "end_time": "52:02", "start_time": "52:00", "text": "173 k people disagree." }, { "end_time": "52:03", "start_time": "52:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:05", "start_time": "52:03", "text": "But, like, do they care that much?" }, { "end_time": "52:08", "start_time": "52:05", "text": "Like, even with that number, Ranvir, I think about a lot." }, { "end_time": "52:16", "start_time": "52:08", "text": "And I'm like, do these people actually give a shit about what I'm going through or what I am feeling or my happiness?" }, { "end_time": "52:17", "start_time": "52:17", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "52:18", "start_time": "52:17", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "52:21", "start_time": "52:18", "text": "Like, I would like to believe that they are, but I know for a fact that they don't know." }, { "end_time": "52:24", "start_time": "52:21", "text": "When I when I log on to your stories, I'm curious about what's Srishti up to today." }, { "end_time": "52:26", "start_time": "52:24", "text": "That shows some amount of care." }, { "end_time": "52:26", "start_time": "52:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:28", "start_time": "52:26", "text": "It's not just like I'm not just watching for entertainment." }, { "end_time": "52:28", "start_time": "52:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:28", "start_time": "52:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:28", "start_time": "52:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:28", "start_time": "52:28", "text": "That's true." }, { "end_time": "52:30", "start_time": "52:28", "text": "I'm sure that there are other human beings like me as well." }, { "end_time": "52:31", "start_time": "52:30", "text": "I'm yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:33", "start_time": "52:31", "text": "My parents love me and all that." }, { "end_time": "52:33", "start_time": "52:33", "text": "That I know." }, { "end_time": "52:34", "start_time": "52:33", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "52:35", "start_time": "52:34", "text": "I I I don't know." }, { "end_time": "52:37", "start_time": "52:35", "text": "And I wanna remind you of one more thing you told me the first time I met you." }, { "end_time": "52:39", "start_time": "52:37", "text": "You told me that in Kanpur, you're a celebrity." }, { "end_time": "52:39", "start_time": "52:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:41", "start_time": "52:39", "text": "Like you're a big time celebrity." }, { "end_time": "52:43", "start_time": "52:41", "text": "After Raju Shrivastava, it's me too." }, { "end_time": "52:44", "start_time": "52:43", "text": "Like I've made it." }, { "end_time": "52:44", "start_time": "52:44", "text": "I've killed it." }, { "end_time": "52:47", "start_time": "52:44", "text": "So do you still feel insignificant after that?" }, { "end_time": "52:48", "start_time": "52:47", "text": "In Kanpur, no." }, { "end_time": "52:51", "start_time": "52:48", "text": "In Kanpur, I can run for politics and, like, become mayor or something." }, { "end_time": "52:53", "start_time": "52:51", "text": "But But then I No." }, { "end_time": "53:00", "start_time": "52:53", "text": "I don't I don't I don't know what I mean when I say that I I'm I'm afraid of dying insignificantly." }, { "end_time": "53:04", "start_time": "53:00", "text": "That's probably because I don't still know what my purpose in life is." }, { "end_time": "53:07", "start_time": "53:04", "text": "Like, I still don't know what am I meant to do here." }, { "end_time": "53:14", "start_time": "53:07", "text": "Like, I feel very lost about What's what's stopping you from keeping yourself busy?" }, { "end_time": "53:17", "start_time": "53:15", "text": "I keep myself busy." }, { "end_time": "53:21", "start_time": "53:17", "text": "A lot of my being busy is, like, writing or reading or watching." }, { "end_time": "53:23", "start_time": "53:22", "text": "Like, I watch a lot of shit." }, { "end_time": "53:24", "start_time": "53:24", "text": "I mean Yeah." }, { "end_time": "53:25", "start_time": "53:24", "text": "I mean okay." }, { "end_time": "53:31", "start_time": "53:25", "text": "The the way I look at it is, like, I feel like what we are doing in the present, again, you've gotten to 173 k on your own Balbutha." }, { "end_time": "53:32", "start_time": "53:32", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "53:33", "start_time": "53:32", "text": "So No." }, { "end_time": "53:35", "start_time": "53:33", "text": "I wouldn't say that by myself." }, { "end_time": "53:37", "start_time": "53:35", "text": "Like, there there was a team and there is For sure." }, { "end_time": "53:41", "start_time": "53:37", "text": "Multiple other people whose efforts have to Who thought of those first viral videos, which you mean?" }, { "end_time": "53:43", "start_time": "53:41", "text": "Multiple other people again in the room." }, { "end_time": "53:50", "start_time": "53:43", "text": "Like, I'm sure that this is the thing now with movies and, like, anything that you see, you see the face." }, { "end_time": "53:55", "start_time": "53:50", "text": "You don't see the director, the cinematographer, the sound guy, the art art director." }, { "end_time": "53:59", "start_time": "53:55", "text": "Like, there are a 100 people who are working behind the thing for a thing to become a thing." }, { "end_time": "54:01", "start_time": "53:59", "text": "Like, nobody can do anything by themselves." }, { "end_time": "54:05", "start_time": "54:01", "text": "But the movie the movie sells based on the actor actress." }, { "end_time": "54:11", "start_time": "54:09", "text": "And BuzzFeed's soul based on Shrishi Dixit." }, { "end_time": "54:13", "start_time": "54:11", "text": "Like, if you type BuzzFeed, Shrishi Dixit." }, { "end_time": "54:16", "start_time": "54:13", "text": "I won't change what you think, but it's fine." }, { "end_time": "54:20", "start_time": "54:16", "text": "Shrishi man, you need someone to inject the positivity in your head." }, { "end_time": "54:21", "start_time": "54:20", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "54:21", "start_time": "54:21", "text": "I I know this." }, { "end_time": "54:24", "start_time": "54:21", "text": "I feel like it'll be a therapist and it should be soon." }, { "end_time": "54:24", "start_time": "54:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "54:34", "start_time": "54:24", "text": "Dude, I I again, like, I think you're And the I don't know why, but, like, maybe from this conversation, you may have assumed that, like, there aren't people around me who tell me that I'm awesome." }, { "end_time": "54:34", "start_time": "54:34", "text": "There are." }, { "end_time": "54:38", "start_time": "54:34", "text": "I get hella validation constantly a lot." }, { "end_time": "54:40", "start_time": "54:38", "text": "But I don't know." }, { "end_time": "54:48", "start_time": "54:40", "text": "There again, there's this impostor syndrome or this feeling of I'm lying or I'm scamming, which I was talking about earlier, which is like I no." }, { "end_time": "54:49", "start_time": "54:48", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "54:49", "start_time": "54:49", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "54:50", "start_time": "54:49", "text": "You are mistaken." }, { "end_time": "54:51", "start_time": "54:50", "text": "I have lied to you." }, { "end_time": "54:54", "start_time": "54:51", "text": "You've been scammed, and I'm not this person who deserves all this." }, { "end_time": "54:55", "start_time": "54:54", "text": "Have you ever tried talking to your parents?" }, { "end_time": "54:59", "start_time": "54:57", "text": "Man, you don't know my parents." }, { "end_time": "55:01", "start_time": "54:59", "text": "I mean But, like, I have." }, { "end_time": "55:07", "start_time": "55:01", "text": "I have a little bit, but they also like, they are very they're not very conservative." }, { "end_time": "55:10", "start_time": "55:07", "text": "That'll just be very reductionist to say." }, { "end_time": "55:15", "start_time": "55:10", "text": "They come from a very different, like, school of thought and yeah." }, { "end_time": "55:16", "start_time": "55:15", "text": "And, like, my world has changed." }, { "end_time": "55:20", "start_time": "55:16", "text": "So, like, I have grown up, but they are still, like, kinda there." }, { "end_time": "55:26", "start_time": "55:20", "text": "So a lot of things that wouldn't even strike me as things that are important, they would, like, really deeply think about." }, { "end_time": "55:31", "start_time": "55:26", "text": "Like, but they are thinking about it a lot." }, { "end_time": "55:33", "start_time": "55:31", "text": "So Can I tell you something about the brand, Shishti Dixit?" }, { "end_time": "55:36", "start_time": "55:33", "text": "People are drawn to your brand because they see gen unity." }, { "end_time": "55:39", "start_time": "55:36", "text": "They see a little bit of goodness, a little bit of innocence in you." }, { "end_time": "55:43", "start_time": "55:39", "text": "And don't you feel like those are core traits which you got from your childhood and, like, therefore your parents?" }, { "end_time": "55:44", "start_time": "55:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "55:45", "start_time": "55:44", "text": "So don't you feel that?" }, { "end_time": "55:50", "start_time": "55:45", "text": "Like, I mean, if they could give you those core aspects of who Shashi Dixit is Yeah." }, { "end_time": "55:54", "start_time": "55:50", "text": "They'll be able to guide you in this phase also, possibly even better than a therapist." }, { "end_time": "55:57", "start_time": "55:55", "text": "I'll I don't know." }, { "end_time": "56:02", "start_time": "55:57", "text": "I just know one thing that I'm constantly lying and I constantly don't want to lie." }, { "end_time": "56:05", "start_time": "56:02", "text": "Like, it's a weird Lying on social media?" }, { "end_time": "56:08", "start_time": "56:05", "text": "Like, lying in my life even if it is to people." }, { "end_time": "56:13", "start_time": "56:08", "text": "Like, if if someone asks me how are you doing today, my instant response will be, I'm fine." }, { "end_time": "56:15", "start_time": "56:13", "text": "Or it'll be, I I don't know." }, { "end_time": "56:20", "start_time": "56:15", "text": "I don't like, it's never like a straight actual answer of whatever I would be going through." }, { "end_time": "56:27", "start_time": "56:20", "text": "And I also want to be this real authentic person who is genuine and, like, you see yourself in her." }, { "end_time": "56:30", "start_time": "56:27", "text": "Like, it's I feel like sometimes it's a sham Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "56:34", "start_time": "56:30", "text": "But I also want that sham to actually be the person I am." }, { "end_time": "56:45", "start_time": "56:34", "text": "So this person who is on for so, like, if I meet someone, for instance, a follower or a fan, I want to see myself as they see me, but I I don't know how to." }, { "end_time": "56:47", "start_time": "56:45", "text": "Like, that's that's a handicap." }, { "end_time": "56:47", "start_time": "56:47", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "56:51", "start_time": "56:47", "text": "I I kind of know what you mean because I had this phase very early on in Be Your Wiser Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "57:00", "start_time": "56:51", "text": "Where I just I felt like But, I think then once Rajas and me started working together, and I think that whole money thing fixed it for me." }, { "end_time": "57:00", "start_time": "57:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "57:01", "start_time": "57:00", "text": "Where I was like, wait." }, { "end_time": "57:04", "start_time": "57:01", "text": "This hustle is like creating someone else's livelihood." }, { "end_time": "57:04", "start_time": "57:04", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "57:07", "start_time": "57:04", "text": "Just I think being a giver helped me personally in that." }, { "end_time": "57:08", "start_time": "57:07", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "57:13", "start_time": "57:08", "text": "And I feel that now because you're starting your own brand, you know, know, you're starting like Shushpi Dikshat as a thing." }, { "end_time": "57:19", "start_time": "57:13", "text": "When you get your 1st cofounder or your first people working with you, when you start building your team, I think a lot of your issues will be solved." }, { "end_time": "57:23", "start_time": "57:19", "text": "So it's possibly about action because and this is just from my experience." }, { "end_time": "57:24", "start_time": "57:23", "text": "This is what helped me." }, { "end_time": "57:26", "start_time": "57:24", "text": "Now I wanna ask you one crucial question." }, { "end_time": "57:26", "start_time": "57:26", "text": "Oh, yeah." }, { "end_time": "57:27", "start_time": "57:26", "text": "You give me advice." }, { "end_time": "57:30", "start_time": "57:28", "text": "I want I want to know what you're thinking." }, { "end_time": "57:33", "start_time": "57:30", "text": "And you tell me what I'm doing wrong in, like, my life and my brand." }, { "end_time": "57:35", "start_time": "57:33", "text": "I think you are killing it, man." }, { "end_time": "57:36", "start_time": "57:35", "text": "Like, just No." }, { "end_time": "57:40", "start_time": "57:36", "text": "I seriously don't I feel like I don't know." }, { "end_time": "57:50", "start_time": "57:40", "text": "I don't have any advice, but I would say that there is I can sense a certain militancy in your way of life Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "57:56", "start_time": "57:51", "text": "Because you worked very hard to become the person you are, and I get that and I respect that." }, { "end_time": "58:01", "start_time": "57:56", "text": "But I would maybe want you to be a little more yeah." }, { "end_time": "58:04", "start_time": "58:01", "text": "Like, just losing the fuck off than we hear." }, { "end_time": "58:06", "start_time": "58:04", "text": "Like, calm down." }, { "end_time": "58:08", "start_time": "58:06", "text": "Like, it's I get it." }, { "end_time": "58:11", "start_time": "58:08", "text": "I totally get who you are, why you are." }, { "end_time": "58:12", "start_time": "58:11", "text": "I I respect it." }, { "end_time": "58:13", "start_time": "58:12", "text": "I'm all for it." }, { "end_time": "58:13", "start_time": "58:13", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "58:16", "start_time": "58:13", "text": "But, like, you'll get so tired." }, { "end_time": "58:21", "start_time": "58:16", "text": "You're babu, but don't don't, like, express yourself out so much." }, { "end_time": "58:22", "start_time": "58:21", "text": "Like, I've do this." }, { "end_time": "58:23", "start_time": "58:22", "text": "I've do that." }, { "end_time": "58:25", "start_time": "58:23", "text": "Like, it's just like just chill." }, { "end_time": "58:27", "start_time": "58:25", "text": "Just go for a vacation, man." }, { "end_time": "58:27", "start_time": "58:27", "text": "Yeah, man." }, { "end_time": "58:29", "start_time": "58:27", "text": "So, you know, my mom tells me the same thing." }, { "end_time": "58:29", "start_time": "58:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "58:31", "start_time": "58:29", "text": "And somewhere I know that that's true." }, { "end_time": "58:33", "start_time": "58:31", "text": "That I'm going I'm going too hard at life." }, { "end_time": "58:34", "start_time": "58:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "58:38", "start_time": "58:34", "text": "Like with those like some regimented, like, NDA type." }, { "end_time": "58:43", "start_time": "58:39", "text": "But I legit wanna become, like, one of the biggest success stories of all time of India." }, { "end_time": "58:44", "start_time": "58:44", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "58:46", "start_time": "58:44", "text": "That is a huge aspiration." }, { "end_time": "58:46", "start_time": "58:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "58:47", "start_time": "58:46", "text": "I Which is fair." }, { "end_time": "58:48", "start_time": "58:47", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "58:52", "start_time": "58:48", "text": "And if you want something unachievable, you have to do unthinkable shit when you're younger." }, { "end_time": "58:53", "start_time": "58:52", "text": "I get it." }, { "end_time": "58:58", "start_time": "58:53", "text": "And I think more than that, again, I have this strong sense of responsibility and leadership here." }, { "end_time": "59:13", "start_time": "58:58", "text": "So I feel that if I can be that best possible team member, like how Virat Kohli is for India, if I can model myself and become, like, the best batsman of all time, then somewhere I'll be able to create another Rohit Sharma, another Hardik partner, and then we'll be able to win the World Cup." }, { "end_time": "59:15", "start_time": "59:13", "text": "So you wanna be a king and a kingmaker?" }, { "end_time": "59:15", "start_time": "59:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "59:16", "start_time": "59:15", "text": "Strongly." }, { "end_time": "59:18", "start_time": "59:16", "text": "That's I think that's like a modern leader, dude." }, { "end_time": "59:19", "start_time": "59:18", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "59:28", "start_time": "59:19", "text": "Like and I I legit when if if I am dying and if I'm I've not become, like, one of the greatest success stories of India, I won't feel like I fulfilled my potential in life." }, { "end_time": "59:30", "start_time": "59:28", "text": "And I know internally that I'm capable of." }, { "end_time": "59:32", "start_time": "59:30", "text": "Man, Ranveer, you have." }, { "end_time": "59:32", "start_time": "59:32", "text": "You will." }, { "end_time": "59:36", "start_time": "59:32", "text": "You're already like, you have this whole office." }, { "end_time": "59:36", "start_time": "59:36", "text": "I know." }, { "end_time": "59:36", "start_time": "59:36", "text": "I know." }, { "end_time": "59:38", "start_time": "59:36", "text": "But, where did you start?" }, { "end_time": "59:41", "start_time": "59:38", "text": "Like, just like, can you can you believe where you are?" }, { "end_time": "59:47", "start_time": "59:42", "text": "It's I'm just saying take 2 minutes every day to just look around and be like, this is where I am." }, { "end_time": "59:50", "start_time": "59:47", "text": "I take 2 hours every day to do that in my meditations." }, { "end_time": "59:50", "start_time": "59:50", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "59:52", "start_time": "59:50", "text": "So That's good." }, { "end_time": "59:53", "start_time": "59:52", "text": "I'll take that back." }, { "end_time": "59:54", "start_time": "59:53", "text": "Yeah, man." }, { "end_time": "59:56", "start_time": "59:54", "text": "But I'm not saying that my life is perfect, dude." }, { "end_time": "59:56", "start_time": "59:56", "text": "Like, okay." }, { "end_time": "59:58", "start_time": "59:56", "text": "I'll tell you I'll tell you the downside of all this." }, { "end_time": "1:00:04", "start_time": "59:58", "text": "Now tell me your struggles which will make you a real human being and not an android who has the perfect body." }, { "end_time": "1:00:04", "start_time": "1:00:04", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:00:09", "start_time": "1:00:04", "text": "There was a girl who I liked very much, and I thought that it's a long time ago." }, { "end_time": "1:00:11", "start_time": "1:00:09", "text": "Problems eventually." }, { "end_time": "1:00:13", "start_time": "1:00:11", "text": "And and I had to break up." }, { "end_time": "1:00:15", "start_time": "1:00:13", "text": "And, I mean, we had to break up because even she's super ambitious." }, { "end_time": "1:00:16", "start_time": "1:00:15", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:00:21", "start_time": "1:00:16", "text": "And I just feel that both of us, you know, kind of picked our careers over each other." }, { "end_time": "1:00:27", "start_time": "1:00:21", "text": "Even though it was the most genuine, symbiotic, enriching relationship, that's the downside of this world." }, { "end_time": "1:00:32", "start_time": "1:00:28", "text": "And also, I think I'd I've I've been brought up in a nuclear family, like just 4, 5 members." }, { "end_time": "1:00:32", "start_time": "1:00:32", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:00:34", "start_time": "1:00:32", "text": "So I don't have an extended family life." }, { "end_time": "1:00:39", "start_time": "1:00:34", "text": "Like, I'm close to my cousins and my mama, mommy and all, but it's only like the tight, you know, group of family I'm close to." }, { "end_time": "1:00:40", "start_time": "1:00:39", "text": "It's the main family." }, { "end_time": "1:00:40", "start_time": "1:00:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:00:41", "start_time": "1:00:40", "text": "The main matters." }, { "end_time": "1:00:43", "start_time": "1:00:41", "text": "Like cousins cousins." }, { "end_time": "1:00:45", "start_time": "1:00:43", "text": "Like, those are the people I'm close to." }, { "end_time": "1:00:48", "start_time": "1:00:46", "text": "But there's no extended family life." }, { "end_time": "1:00:50", "start_time": "1:00:48", "text": "There's no, love of my life." }, { "end_time": "1:00:59", "start_time": "1:00:50", "text": "And I actually there's this one thought I've had of never actually dating and getting married because the life I've chosen for myself is too difficult to put someone else through." }, { "end_time": "1:01:01", "start_time": "1:00:59", "text": "Who are you to decide that for someone else?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:01", "start_time": "1:01:01", "text": "Maybe." }, { "end_time": "1:01:04", "start_time": "1:01:01", "text": "If I find someone crazy enough, we'll be like, you know, this is fine." }, { "end_time": "1:01:11", "start_time": "1:01:04", "text": "Or, like, just like it's a a have you seen this, stand up special by Daniel Sloss on Netflix?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:12", "start_time": "1:01:11", "text": "I would recommend you watch it." }, { "end_time": "1:01:21", "start_time": "1:01:12", "text": "It's called Jigsaw, which is basically that all of us are puzzle pieces, and we just need to, like, find the right piece who fits in just the way, like, we would like." }, { "end_time": "1:01:22", "start_time": "1:01:21", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:01:25", "start_time": "1:01:22", "text": "And it'll also be a constant struggle." }, { "end_time": "1:01:29", "start_time": "1:01:25", "text": "Like, I'm hella single right now and I shouldn't be giving relationship advice to anyone." }, { "end_time": "1:01:32", "start_time": "1:01:29", "text": "But, like, don't don't be a monk." }, { "end_time": "1:01:36", "start_time": "1:01:32", "text": "Like, don't think that you would never want to I mean, I'm be with anyone." }, { "end_time": "1:01:37", "start_time": "1:01:36", "text": "Like, I'm sure you want companionship." }, { "end_time": "1:01:38", "start_time": "1:01:37", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "1:01:38", "start_time": "1:01:38", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "1:01:39", "start_time": "1:01:38", "text": "I'm like a lover boy at heart." }, { "end_time": "1:01:40", "start_time": "1:01:39", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:41", "start_time": "1:01:40", "text": "Like, I'm I'm super romantic." }, { "end_time": "1:01:45", "start_time": "1:01:41", "text": "Like, I'm the guy who will, like, who will, like, throws rocks and then play violin." }, { "end_time": "1:01:46", "start_time": "1:01:45", "text": "Oh my god." }, { "end_time": "1:01:47", "start_time": "1:01:46", "text": "Who does that?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:48", "start_time": "1:01:47", "text": "Me." }, { "end_time": "1:01:49", "start_time": "1:01:48", "text": "This is what?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:50", "start_time": "1:01:49", "text": "Me." }, { "end_time": "1:01:51", "start_time": "1:01:50", "text": "This is what?" }, { "end_time": "1:01:58", "start_time": "1:01:51", "text": "But, again, like, my love for my 40 babies in office is more than my love for just one human." }, { "end_time": "1:02:00", "start_time": "1:01:59", "text": "And, that's one aspect of it." }, { "end_time": "1:02:04", "start_time": "1:02:00", "text": "And, like, the third downside, so we went over, like, family." }, { "end_time": "1:02:05", "start_time": "1:02:04", "text": "We went over relationships." }, { "end_time": "1:02:07", "start_time": "1:02:05", "text": "My only friends are my team." }, { "end_time": "1:02:08", "start_time": "1:02:08", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:02:12", "start_time": "1:02:08", "text": "And the the people I need to work, like, say you or say BUNIC or say project and Nikhil." }, { "end_time": "1:02:14", "start_time": "1:02:13", "text": "They are my family." }, { "end_time": "1:02:19", "start_time": "1:02:14", "text": "So when I meet you guys, one, I know I can open up to you all as, like, a content creator, and I can be myself." }, { "end_time": "1:02:23", "start_time": "1:02:19", "text": "Because I also kind of don't really have friends outside of business and work." }, { "end_time": "1:02:27", "start_time": "1:02:23", "text": "I also feel like being myself in front of everyone is also a waste." }, { "end_time": "1:02:31", "start_time": "1:02:27", "text": "Like, I would only want to be myself in front of, like, a limited number of people." }, { "end_time": "1:02:34", "start_time": "1:02:31", "text": "Like, Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:02:34", "start_time": "1:02:34", "text": "Oh, okay." }, { "end_time": "1:02:37", "start_time": "1:02:34", "text": "That's Like, I don't I don't wanna, like I hate small talk." }, { "end_time": "1:02:39", "start_time": "1:02:37", "text": "Like, I just cannot do it." }, { "end_time": "1:02:39", "start_time": "1:02:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:02:42", "start_time": "1:02:39", "text": "I don't care about, like, what are your hobbies and interests." }, { "end_time": "1:02:56", "start_time": "1:02:42", "text": "I don't, like and, like, that that really, like, holds me back from being a person in the world where, like, I could have a crazy social life and, like, a ton of friends, but I just don't because I don't care that much." }, { "end_time": "1:02:58", "start_time": "1:02:56", "text": "How far do you wanna take your career?" }, { "end_time": "1:02:59", "start_time": "1:02:58", "text": "My career?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:02", "start_time": "1:03:00", "text": "I feel like it's limitless." }, { "end_time": "1:03:02", "start_time": "1:03:02", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:06", "start_time": "1:03:02", "text": "Like, I I can't fully foresee Where would you like to be as a 60 year old?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:08", "start_time": "1:03:06", "text": "Like, in a big house?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:09", "start_time": "1:03:08", "text": "Like a big house." }, { "end_time": "1:03:10", "start_time": "1:03:09", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:03:11", "start_time": "1:03:11", "text": "Pool." }, { "end_time": "1:03:14", "start_time": "1:03:12", "text": "And I would have learned how to swim by then." }, { "end_time": "1:03:22", "start_time": "1:03:15", "text": "Jacuzzi, many, many animals, like, some sanctuary kind of scenario where there are Crazy cat lady." }, { "end_time": "1:03:23", "start_time": "1:03:22", "text": "Not just cats." }, { "end_time": "1:03:24", "start_time": "1:03:23", "text": "Good." }, { "end_time": "1:03:25", "start_time": "1:03:24", "text": "Why limit yourself to cats?" }, { "end_time": "1:03:29", "start_time": "1:03:25", "text": "Cats, dogs, giraffes, like, what the sky is the limit." }, { "end_time": "1:03:47", "start_time": "1:03:30", "text": "And, just I want to be, like, a self sufficient, self reliant producer, maybe, who makes their own shit and is known for, like, being that strong independent woman." }, { "end_time": "1:03:47", "start_time": "1:03:47", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:03:48", "start_time": "1:03:47", "text": "I think you're on path to that." }, { "end_time": "1:03:49", "start_time": "1:03:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:03:56", "start_time": "1:03:49", "text": "Like, one thing I really respect you for is, like, obviously, the career you've built, but just this fact that you're this person chose to come to Bombay from outside Bombay." }, { "end_time": "1:03:57", "start_time": "1:03:56", "text": "Set up your life here." }, { "end_time": "1:03:58", "start_time": "1:03:57", "text": "You lived alone." }, { "end_time": "1:03:58", "start_time": "1:03:58", "text": "It's hard." }, { "end_time": "1:04:05", "start_time": "1:03:58", "text": "Dude, like, the moment I found out that about you, and I knew you from before you became big on BuzzFeed, that man told me this about you." }, { "end_time": "1:04:06", "start_time": "1:04:05", "text": "This is Gugur Shishti, and this is a story." }, { "end_time": "1:04:09", "start_time": "1:04:07", "text": "And I was, like, fascinated back then." }, { "end_time": "1:04:12", "start_time": "1:04:09", "text": "I mean, I just have, like, crazy amounts of respect for you." }, { "end_time": "1:04:15", "start_time": "1:04:12", "text": "And then then I started following you on social media properly." }, { "end_time": "1:04:16", "start_time": "1:04:15", "text": "Then you're like, what is this bitch?" }, { "end_time": "1:04:16", "start_time": "1:04:16", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:04:17", "start_time": "1:04:16", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:04:23", "start_time": "1:04:17", "text": "Then I was like I I love I love how you're so low key about, like, your success and your job." }, { "end_time": "1:04:24", "start_time": "1:04:23", "text": "You just you just, like, put it out there." }, { "end_time": "1:04:30", "start_time": "1:04:24", "text": "Because if I because then if I start thinking about it, then like, we'll get like, it's it's fine." }, { "end_time": "1:04:31", "start_time": "1:04:30", "text": "It's chill." }, { "end_time": "1:04:31", "start_time": "1:04:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:04:34", "start_time": "1:04:31", "text": "So, Shishti, like, the ending note for this whole podcast is 2 things." }, { "end_time": "1:04:36", "start_time": "1:04:34", "text": "1, I hope you enjoyed the deep conversation." }, { "end_time": "1:04:37", "start_time": "1:04:36", "text": "I loved it." }, { "end_time": "1:04:42", "start_time": "1:04:37", "text": "My mind is open, and I feels like that cool ice bucket that you're talking about." }, { "end_time": "1:04:45", "start_time": "1:04:42", "text": "Like, a cool ALS challenge we have done right now." }, { "end_time": "1:04:46", "start_time": "1:04:45", "text": "That's rad." }, { "end_time": "1:04:48", "start_time": "1:04:46", "text": "So I hope you enjoyed it." }, { "end_time": "1:04:56", "start_time": "1:04:48", "text": "Secondly, yo, if there's, like, one thing I want you to take away from this podcast is again and I have to do this for a lot of people on the podcast for some reason." }, { "end_time": "1:04:56", "start_time": "1:04:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:05:02", "start_time": "1:04:56", "text": "But please, please just know that you're onto huge things and everyone who follows you on social media adores you." }, { "end_time": "1:05:03", "start_time": "1:05:02", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "1:05:07", "start_time": "1:05:03", "text": "I would I would suggest, like, the 173 k out of the 173 k, I adore you." }, { "end_time": "1:05:09", "start_time": "1:05:07", "text": "So I would like for that to be true." }, { "end_time": "1:05:09", "start_time": "1:05:09", "text": "Yes, man." }, { "end_time": "1:05:10", "start_time": "1:05:09", "text": "Just just keep going." }, { "end_time": "1:05:13", "start_time": "1:05:10", "text": "Produce that cash, chill, positive content." }, { "end_time": "1:05:13", "start_time": "1:05:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:05:15", "start_time": "1:05:13", "text": "And, man, good luck with everything." }, { "end_time": "1:05:16", "start_time": "1:05:15", "text": "I don't need to tell you that." }, { "end_time": "1:05:18", "start_time": "1:05:16", "text": "I also wanna say 2, 3 things." }, { "end_time": "1:05:19", "start_time": "1:05:18", "text": "So I'll just say that." }, { "end_time": "1:05:21", "start_time": "1:05:19", "text": "I don't know why I'm talking like this." }, { "end_time": "1:05:33", "start_time": "1:05:22", "text": "You are really sweet, And, like, I don't meet many men who are, like, this, like, kind and, like, sweet and, like, generous." }, { "end_time": "1:05:40", "start_time": "1:05:33", "text": "Like, there is some generosity of spirit I see in you, and, like, that's really nice, and you should like, cherish that forever." }, { "end_time": "1:05:40", "start_time": "1:05:40", "text": "That's right." }, { "end_time": "1:05:43", "start_time": "1:05:41", "text": "Also, like, don't be a don't become some son." }, { "end_time": "1:05:44", "start_time": "1:05:43", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "1:05:56", "start_time": "1:05:44", "text": "Like like, fall in love, have lots of sex, maybe have children if you are inclined to do so, but, like, you will be you will find a companion who will like, that jigsaw puzzle that that'll happen for you." }, { "end_time": "1:05:56", "start_time": "1:05:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:05:58", "start_time": "1:05:56", "text": "You I can see that for you." }, { "end_time": "1:05:59", "start_time": "1:05:58", "text": "You know, I hope so." }, { "end_time": "1:05:59", "start_time": "1:05:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:06:01", "start_time": "1:05:59", "text": "Like, I hope, like, the correct person walks in a mountain." }, { "end_time": "1:06:06", "start_time": "1:06:01", "text": "Like, because, like, you are so positive about everything else, every other aspect in your life." }, { "end_time": "1:06:08", "start_time": "1:06:06", "text": "How can this one thing be where you're like, no." }, { "end_time": "1:06:09", "start_time": "1:06:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:06:11", "start_time": "1:06:09", "text": "I mean, it's just that, like I know you're hurt." }, { "end_time": "1:06:14", "start_time": "1:06:11", "text": "I know that there is a certain kind of space you are in right now." }, { "end_time": "1:06:15", "start_time": "1:06:14", "text": "I okay." }, { "end_time": "1:06:18", "start_time": "1:06:15", "text": "I'll tell you, I was hurt and I'm genuinely fine now." }, { "end_time": "1:06:25", "start_time": "1:06:18", "text": "I'm just like, I've taken on so much work onto myself in order to get over the breakup that I think that this and this this quantity of work is paying off." }, { "end_time": "1:06:27", "start_time": "1:06:25", "text": "Like, there's growth everywhere." }, { "end_time": "1:06:29", "start_time": "1:06:27", "text": "There's a new company being built." }, { "end_time": "1:06:36", "start_time": "1:06:29", "text": "So I just But then Ranveer, one day you go back to your mansion and sit on your 2 lakh rupees per couch and like then I meditate." }, { "end_time": "1:06:37", "start_time": "1:06:36", "text": "I meditate for like 5 hours." }, { "end_time": "1:06:38", "start_time": "1:06:37", "text": "But then you're alone." }, { "end_time": "1:06:40", "start_time": "1:06:39", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:06:43", "start_time": "1:06:40", "text": "But like think after the meditation, the days the night is still there." }, { "end_time": "1:06:43", "start_time": "1:06:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:06:44", "start_time": "1:06:43", "text": "I'll tell you." }, { "end_time": "1:06:47", "start_time": "1:06:44", "text": "Showering alone and brushing alone." }, { "end_time": "1:06:47", "start_time": "1:06:47", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:06:49", "start_time": "1:06:47", "text": "I'll tell you I'll tell you what." }, { "end_time": "1:06:51", "start_time": "1:06:49", "text": "I'll give you the perspective of a long term meditator." }, { "end_time": "1:06:55", "start_time": "1:06:52", "text": "And this is something you'll only realize after like 3, 4 years of your meditation." }, { "end_time": "1:06:56", "start_time": "1:06:55", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:06:57", "start_time": "1:06:56", "text": "And it's something I've realized very recently." }, { "end_time": "1:07:02", "start_time": "1:06:58", "text": "Now the human mind and the human spirit is like an empty glass." }, { "end_time": "1:07:04", "start_time": "1:07:02", "text": "And through throughout your life, you're trying to fill that up." }, { "end_time": "1:07:06", "start_time": "1:07:04", "text": "Some people choose to fill that up with material things." }, { "end_time": "1:07:12", "start_time": "1:07:06", "text": "You may go, brands Some people try to fill it up with intoxicants." }, { "end_time": "1:07:14", "start_time": "1:07:12", "text": "Like, I wanna be stoned all the time, bro." }, { "end_time": "1:07:15", "start_time": "1:07:14", "text": "I wanna be drunk all the time, bro." }, { "end_time": "1:07:17", "start_time": "1:07:15", "text": "I wanna eat junk food all the time, bro." }, { "end_time": "1:07:18", "start_time": "1:07:17", "text": "Yeah, bro." }, { "end_time": "1:07:19", "start_time": "1:07:18", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:07:21", "start_time": "1:07:19", "text": "Some people try filling it up with another person." }, { "end_time": "1:07:23", "start_time": "1:07:22", "text": "Where it's like, no." }, { "end_time": "1:07:25", "start_time": "1:07:23", "text": "You complete me." }, { "end_time": "1:07:27", "start_time": "1:07:25", "text": "I want you to make up for this thing." }, { "end_time": "1:07:32", "start_time": "1:07:27", "text": "On you entirely, and you are the sole reason of my happiness and sadness." }, { "end_time": "1:07:33", "start_time": "1:07:32", "text": "That's creepy." }, { "end_time": "1:07:33", "start_time": "1:07:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:07:33", "start_time": "1:07:33", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:07:45", "start_time": "1:07:34", "text": "And the world of yoga says that if you actually live your life with that much discipline, and you follow certain yogic rules and you meditate with determination, you do your yoga religiously with determination." }, { "end_time": "1:07:47", "start_time": "1:07:45", "text": "Again, yoga is not religious." }, { "end_time": "1:07:48", "start_time": "1:07:47", "text": "It's a spiritual process." }, { "end_time": "1:07:48", "start_time": "1:07:48", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "1:07:50", "start_time": "1:07:49", "text": "You It's discipline." }, { "end_time": "1:07:50", "start_time": "1:07:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:07:50", "start_time": "1:07:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:07:52", "start_time": "1:07:50", "text": "It is it's a lot of discipline." }, { "end_time": "1:07:54", "start_time": "1:07:52", "text": "Like, it doesn't that these changes don't happen without discipline." }, { "end_time": "1:07:57", "start_time": "1:07:54", "text": "You're able to actually fill up that glass." }, { "end_time": "1:08:00", "start_time": "1:07:57", "text": "And this is something I've only felt now after, like, 4 years of meditation." }, { "end_time": "1:08:07", "start_time": "1:08:00", "text": "After, like, determined meditation, Now I actually feel complete just by myself." }, { "end_time": "1:08:11", "start_time": "1:08:08", "text": "And only when your glass is full can you pour wine in other people's glass." }, { "end_time": "1:08:12", "start_time": "1:08:11", "text": "100% agree with that." }, { "end_time": "1:08:13", "start_time": "1:08:12", "text": "So Hardcore agree." }, { "end_time": "1:08:14", "start_time": "1:08:13", "text": "Yeah, man." }, { "end_time": "1:08:19", "start_time": "1:08:14", "text": "And it's taken me 4 years to reach this point and a lot of discipline, and it's not everyone's cup of tea." }, { "end_time": "1:08:37", "start_time": "1:08:19", "text": "And that's why I'm saying that there is a chance that even though in my heart, I wanna date, like, this beautiful girl who I like tamper and, like, all that, because I'm that lover boy inside, I also have a part of me which is that I want Rajas, Blake, Akshat, Sai, the guys are calling this to be driving Lamborghinis by the time they're 40." }, { "end_time": "1:08:38", "start_time": "1:08:37", "text": "My god, you guys." }, { "end_time": "1:08:41", "start_time": "1:08:39", "text": "Your life is gonna be sick." }, { "end_time": "1:08:42", "start_time": "1:08:41", "text": "Oh my god." }, { "end_time": "1:08:43", "start_time": "1:08:42", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:08:45", "start_time": "1:08:43", "text": "Like, I have these visions for them." }, { "end_time": "1:08:53", "start_time": "1:08:45", "text": "And I would be much happier giving my boys and the people in my office, you know, like, gifts and just showering gifts on that one person." }, { "end_time": "1:08:57", "start_time": "1:08:53", "text": "May I suggest a mild tweak to this vision?" }, { "end_time": "1:08:58", "start_time": "1:08:57", "text": "Beautiful vision." }, { "end_time": "1:08:59", "start_time": "1:08:58", "text": "It's great." }, { "end_time": "1:09:00", "start_time": "1:08:59", "text": "Everybody has Lamborghinis, guys." }, { "end_time": "1:09:02", "start_time": "1:09:00", "text": "Hopefully, I want to win this." }, { "end_time": "1:09:04", "start_time": "1:09:02", "text": "But maybe Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:09:17", "start_time": "1:09:04", "text": "Whoever your companion would be or if you eventually fall for someone, hope for that person to have their glass full So that these these two glasses can clink and cheers." }, { "end_time": "1:09:18", "start_time": "1:09:17", "text": "Can I tell you something?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:21", "start_time": "1:09:18", "text": "Be like their own people and also great together." }, { "end_time": "1:09:23", "start_time": "1:09:21", "text": "Can I also tell you something slightly shallow?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:28", "start_time": "1:09:23", "text": "I think when once you're very deep on the spiritual path, you look for spirituality in your partner as well." }, { "end_time": "1:09:30", "start_time": "1:09:28", "text": "And there are people out there, like Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:09:30", "start_time": "1:09:30", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "1:09:30", "start_time": "1:09:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:09:31", "start_time": "1:09:30", "text": "So Of course." }, { "end_time": "1:09:32", "start_time": "1:09:31", "text": "You'll find your tribe." }, { "end_time": "1:09:32", "start_time": "1:09:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:09:35", "start_time": "1:09:32", "text": "You'll find your community or people who, like, are like minded." }, { "end_time": "1:09:36", "start_time": "1:09:35", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "1:09:37", "start_time": "1:09:36", "text": "I think earlier Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:09:49", "start_time": "1:09:37", "text": "I was looking for, say, you know, a mind in a relationship or a certain kind of Now the core aspect for me and what I look for the potential girl I can date is, Brooke, please be on the same spiritual path." }, { "end_time": "1:09:52", "start_time": "1:09:49", "text": "Is this because otherwise you're not gonna get all this, like, discipline?" }, { "end_time": "1:09:54", "start_time": "1:09:53", "text": "So I get it." }, { "end_time": "1:09:54", "start_time": "1:09:54", "text": "I get it." }, { "end_time": "1:09:57", "start_time": "1:09:54", "text": "Anyway, dating is like such an exhausting concept." }, { "end_time": "1:09:58", "start_time": "1:09:57", "text": "But, yeah, I get that." }, { "end_time": "1:09:59", "start_time": "1:09:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:10:01", "start_time": "1:09:59", "text": "I just hope you find someone who I hope so." }, { "end_time": "1:10:02", "start_time": "1:10:01", "text": "Is on the same page as well." }, { "end_time": "1:10:03", "start_time": "1:10:02", "text": "I hope so too." }, { "end_time": "1:10:04", "start_time": "1:10:03", "text": "I I do pray for that." }, { "end_time": "1:10:05", "start_time": "1:10:04", "text": "That's one of those things that I ask for." }, { "end_time": "1:10:09", "start_time": "1:10:05", "text": "So I know what when there are times right that person's gonna walk into my life Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:10:11", "start_time": "1:10:09", "text": "As as, like, everything else, I just walk into it." }, { "end_time": "1:10:13", "start_time": "1:10:11", "text": "You'll just will it into your life." }, { "end_time": "1:10:13", "start_time": "1:10:13", "text": "You'll be like." }, { "end_time": "1:10:15", "start_time": "1:10:14", "text": "I'm a man." }, { "end_time": "1:10:16", "start_time": "1:10:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:10:17", "start_time": "1:10:16", "text": "I'll manifest." }, { "end_time": "1:10:17", "start_time": "1:10:17", "text": "Awesome." }, { "end_time": "1:10:19", "start_time": "1:10:18", "text": "Thank you, Shishrini." }, { "end_time": "1:10:20", "start_time": "1:10:19", "text": "Thank you so much for having me." }, { "end_time": "1:10:22", "start_time": "1:10:20", "text": "This was like awesome fun." }, { "end_time": "1:10:22", "start_time": "1:10:22", "text": "It was really good." }, { "end_time": "1:10:24", "start_time": "1:10:22", "text": "I really hope you enjoyed it, man." }, { "end_time": "1:10:24", "start_time": "1:10:24", "text": "I did." }, { "end_time": "1:10:24", "start_time": "1:10:24", "text": "I did." }, { "end_time": "1:10:24", "start_time": "1:10:24", "text": "I did." }, { "end_time": "1:10:27", "start_time": "1:10:24", "text": "So you're gonna be back on the podcast soon, mister Shishri." }, { "end_time": "1:10:31", "start_time": "1:10:27", "text": "I'm gonna be moving yours and working out of this place." }, { "end_time": "1:10:33", "start_time": "1:10:31", "text": "I like I like the card." }, { "end_time": "1:10:35", "start_time": "1:10:33", "text": "I'm gonna link Shishri's handles down below." }, { "end_time": "1:10:36", "start_time": "1:10:35", "text": "Make sure you go follow her everywhere." }, { "end_time": "1:10:41", "start_time": "1:10:37", "text": "And until next time, guys, from the podcast, which we're probably gonna rename soon." }, { "end_time": "1:10:42", "start_time": "1:10:41", "text": "We'll see you later." } ] }

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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:01", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "What's good everybody?" }, { "end_time": "0:08", "start_time": "0:01", "text": "Welcome to another gorgeous value adding podcast episode with my own biggest mentor, Manish Bande." }, { "end_time": "0:09", "start_time": "0:08", "text": "He's a big brother to me." }, { "end_time": "0:17", "start_time": "0:09", "text": "He's one of India's biggest and brightest digital marketing minds, and he's one of the most spiritually advanced people you'll ever come across in your life." }, { "end_time": "0:19", "start_time": "0:17", "text": "He's mentored me for the last 3 years." }, { "end_time": "0:26", "start_time": "0:19", "text": "He's basically helped us construct all this the monkey office, the monkey company, the beer business brand, the Ranveer Allahabadya brand." }, { "end_time": "0:27", "start_time": "0:26", "text": "He's a business coach." }, { "end_time": "0:34", "start_time": "0:27", "text": "He's a spiritual guide to a lot of people, but above all, he's a genuine family member to those he mentors." }, { "end_time": "0:46", "start_time": "0:34", "text": "So through this 1 hour long episode, I'm trying to go over our mentoring story, How we met each other, what ways he mentored me, and then obviously we're also gonna talk about a lot of dark secrets from my past." }, { "end_time": "0:48", "start_time": "0:46", "text": "So I hope you'll enjoy this episode." }, { "end_time": "0:56", "start_time": "0:48", "text": "He's gonna be back on the podcast for a lot of episodes because 1 hour isn't enough to justify the knowledge that this man possesses in his mind." }, { "end_time": "0:58", "start_time": "0:56", "text": "I hope you enjoy the episode." }, { "end_time": "1:02", "start_time": "0:58", "text": "I promise you that if you get through the entire length of it, you'll come out a different person." }, { "end_time": "1:05", "start_time": "1:02", "text": "This is your mentoring session as much as it was mine." }, { "end_time": "1:06", "start_time": "1:05", "text": "Enjoy yourselves." }, { "end_time": "1:10", "start_time": "1:08", "text": "Welcome to our latest podcast episode." }, { "end_time": "1:14", "start_time": "1:10", "text": "This time we've got my mentor, my big brother, mister Manish Pandey." }, { "end_time": "1:17", "start_time": "1:14", "text": "Manish Pandey has got one of the most incredible stories." }, { "end_time": "1:20", "start_time": "1:17", "text": "He's gone from being, I'm gonna go into the details." }, { "end_time": "1:20", "start_time": "1:20", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:24", "start_time": "1:20", "text": "He's gone from working in, like, a factory as almost like a child labor Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:28", "start_time": "1:24", "text": "To rising and becoming one of the country's top digital marketing minds." }, { "end_time": "1:29", "start_time": "1:28", "text": "Am I allowed to say that?" }, { "end_time": "1:30", "start_time": "1:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:31", "start_time": "1:30", "text": "I mean, yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:35", "start_time": "1:31", "text": "So he's legit one of the top marketing minds in the country." }, { "end_time": "1:39", "start_time": "1:35", "text": "He's also incredibly advanced on the yogic path." }, { "end_time": "1:53", "start_time": "1:39", "text": "He's also someone who kind of turned me from a party boy, meat guzzling, fun loving, wanting to do business, potential businessman to whatever I am today, which I call, I think, kind of like a yogi businessman." }, { "end_time": "1:57", "start_time": "1:54", "text": "So Manish, this is gonna be one of the most interesting episodes." }, { "end_time": "2:03", "start_time": "1:57", "text": "We're gonna take you guys through the whole story of how we met, the kind of changes he brought into my life." }, { "end_time": "2:06", "start_time": "2:03", "text": "Today, Manish also mentors other huge YouTube talent." }, { "end_time": "2:08", "start_time": "2:06", "text": "To some extent, he mentors Bhoo and Bam." }, { "end_time": "2:09", "start_time": "2:08", "text": "He's spoken to Prajakta in detail." }, { "end_time": "2:13", "start_time": "2:10", "text": "He speaks to every single person in our office at Mangan Entertainment." }, { "end_time": "2:15", "start_time": "2:13", "text": "He's personally mentored Virajid, my cofounder." }, { "end_time": "2:21", "start_time": "2:15", "text": "So I think this is gonna be a very value adding episode for you if you're looking for that little extra push to yourself." }, { "end_time": "2:29", "start_time": "2:21", "text": "If you wanna get to the next level in life, you're gonna gain a lot from just listening to this conversation through the beautiful story of Ranbir and Manish." }, { "end_time": "2:31", "start_time": "2:30", "text": "Makes sense." }, { "end_time": "2:32", "start_time": "2:31", "text": "So, bro, thank you for being on the podcast." }, { "end_time": "2:33", "start_time": "2:33", "text": "My pleasure." }, { "end_time": "2:38", "start_time": "2:33", "text": "Thank you for guiding me through every single day of my career since I've met you." }, { "end_time": "2:42", "start_time": "2:38", "text": "Thank you for getting me out of those overthinking tangents that I went on." }, { "end_time": "2:52", "start_time": "2:42", "text": "Like, I remember calling you so many times and saying, I went on all these deep tangents and you very calmly pull me out." }, { "end_time": "2:59", "start_time": "2:52", "text": "And today, I think all the talent we've signed on to monkey, I'm kind of doing that for them where I think creative people generally are a little unstable." }, { "end_time": "3:00", "start_time": "2:59", "text": "That was the goal." }, { "end_time": "3:00", "start_time": "3:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:00", "start_time": "3:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:07", "start_time": "3:00", "text": "So, so I mean, just to put a thought across me talking to all the YouTubers and everything because I've met all of them because of you." }, { "end_time": "3:12", "start_time": "3:07", "text": "And, when, I don't want anyone to mistake when I say mentor mentor." }, { "end_time": "3:13", "start_time": "3:12", "text": "I'm not a teacher to anyone." }, { "end_time": "3:19", "start_time": "3:13", "text": "It's just that we meet and we talk and in conversation, some things come out and I end up saying things." }, { "end_time": "3:20", "start_time": "3:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:25", "start_time": "3:20", "text": "And they they I think they apply, they don't apply, I don't know that, but they feel good about that." }, { "end_time": "3:27", "start_time": "3:25", "text": "And it's very logical." }, { "end_time": "3:27", "start_time": "3:27", "text": "Logical." }, { "end_time": "3:27", "start_time": "3:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:30", "start_time": "3:27", "text": "So I've had conversation with all the names that you took." }, { "end_time": "3:35", "start_time": "3:31", "text": "But, officially, it would wrong to be wrong to say that I've mentored them or anything like that." }, { "end_time": "3:38", "start_time": "3:35", "text": "But yes, honestly, we have conversations." }, { "end_time": "3:45", "start_time": "3:38", "text": "And in from that conversation, you know, in a mentor is something that anyone can become to anyone, like, an ant can become a mentor to an elephant." }, { "end_time": "3:45", "start_time": "3:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:49", "start_time": "3:45", "text": "I also feel that, you know, the one advantage you have over all of us is that you began your career at 18." }, { "end_time": "3:53", "start_time": "3:49", "text": "Immediately after 12 standard, you started your career in kind of the digital marketing space." }, { "end_time": "3:55", "start_time": "3:53", "text": "Professionally, yes." }, { "end_time": "3:55", "start_time": "3:55", "text": "Like that." }, { "end_time": "4:00", "start_time": "3:55", "text": "But, like, as you rightly said, I started working when I was 11 year old." }, { "end_time": "4:00", "start_time": "4:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:05", "start_time": "4:00", "text": "So I was I started taking tuitions because the conditions were like that that I had to Of the family." }, { "end_time": "4:06", "start_time": "4:05", "text": "Of the family." }, { "end_time": "4:07", "start_time": "4:06", "text": "So I had to support." }, { "end_time": "4:12", "start_time": "4:07", "text": "So, you know, when I was in 5th standard, I used to take tuitions for kids of 3rd standard and second standard." }, { "end_time": "4:13", "start_time": "4:12", "text": "It was easier for me." }, { "end_time": "4:17", "start_time": "4:13", "text": "When I went to 6th, that came, like, 3rd, 4th, 5th." }, { "end_time": "4:19", "start_time": "4:18", "text": "And I was making money and contributing." }, { "end_time": "4:20", "start_time": "4:19", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "4:24", "start_time": "4:20", "text": "So there was requirement of the time and, you know, I don't I don't have any regrets about it." }, { "end_time": "4:25", "start_time": "4:24", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "4:26", "start_time": "4:25", "text": "It made me stronger only." }, { "end_time": "4:26", "start_time": "4:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:29", "start_time": "4:26", "text": "It made me very, you know, independent only." }, { "end_time": "4:29", "start_time": "4:29", "text": "Wiser." }, { "end_time": "4:29", "start_time": "4:29", "text": "Wiser." }, { "end_time": "4:30", "start_time": "4:30", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "4:32", "start_time": "4:30", "text": "And intelligent at the same time." }, { "end_time": "4:32", "start_time": "4:32", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "4:34", "start_time": "4:32", "text": "Not forgetting my basics." }, { "end_time": "4:34", "start_time": "4:34", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "4:36", "start_time": "4:34", "text": "So it it added a lot of value." }, { "end_time": "4:36", "start_time": "4:36", "text": "Yep." }, { "end_time": "4:38", "start_time": "4:36", "text": "So I'm thankful for that kind of situation that I got." }, { "end_time": "4:39", "start_time": "4:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:47", "start_time": "4:39", "text": "Before we get actually into a detailed story of what happened, like, how Manish and me became so close, I want to just give you all a brief overview of what he does." }, { "end_time": "4:49", "start_time": "4:47", "text": "So he's the head of content at Josh Talks today." }, { "end_time": "4:51", "start_time": "4:50", "text": "Not head of content." }, { "end_time": "4:55", "start_time": "4:52", "text": "I used to head research at Josh Talks." }, { "end_time": "4:55", "start_time": "4:55", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "4:58", "start_time": "4:55", "text": "And now I, head culture and growth." }, { "end_time": "4:59", "start_time": "4:58", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "5:01", "start_time": "4:59", "text": "But that's one of the many things you do." }, { "end_time": "5:01", "start_time": "5:01", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:03", "start_time": "5:01", "text": "You're a consultant to so many big companies." }, { "end_time": "5:04", "start_time": "5:03", "text": "You work on TEDx gateway." }, { "end_time": "5:05", "start_time": "5:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:06", "start_time": "5:05", "text": "Friends." }, { "end_time": "5:11", "start_time": "5:06", "text": "I mean, it would be great to say friends because, when you say consultant, it's like you draw money." }, { "end_time": "5:11", "start_time": "5:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:13", "start_time": "5:11", "text": "But, too many people I talk to, and Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:16", "start_time": "5:13", "text": "I am not that person who goes and draws money out of Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:17", "start_time": "5:16", "text": "You know, all those things." }, { "end_time": "5:18", "start_time": "5:17", "text": "Even though you can?" }, { "end_time": "5:21", "start_time": "5:19", "text": "I can, but I don't feel the want of it." }, { "end_time": "5:22", "start_time": "5:21", "text": "I am okay." }, { "end_time": "5:26", "start_time": "5:22", "text": "I mean, I'm I'm very, very happy, the kind of work that I'm doing with Joe Stocks." }, { "end_time": "5:26", "start_time": "5:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:28", "start_time": "5:26", "text": "Very, very dear and very close to my heart." }, { "end_time": "5:28", "start_time": "5:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:30", "start_time": "5:28", "text": "You know, you've seen it personally how we work there." }, { "end_time": "5:31", "start_time": "5:30", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "5:35", "start_time": "5:31", "text": "And, absolutely in love with, the team there." }, { "end_time": "5:35", "start_time": "5:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:38", "start_time": "5:35", "text": "Shobhit, Supriya, you know, all these guys Vedant and all." }, { "end_time": "5:41", "start_time": "5:38", "text": "I love them a lot, and, you know, we we like family." }, { "end_time": "5:45", "start_time": "5:41", "text": "All also on, like, a start up level, you're someone who's, like, helped a lot of start ups." }, { "end_time": "5:46", "start_time": "5:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:48", "start_time": "5:46", "text": "I mean, same as I said, same with the YouTuber." }, { "end_time": "5:49", "start_time": "5:48", "text": "I meet them." }, { "end_time": "5:51", "start_time": "5:49", "text": "We talk for a couple of hours and something comes out." }, { "end_time": "5:51", "start_time": "5:51", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "6:01", "start_time": "5:51", "text": "So I don't want to take credit for it because I had a conversation something came out it came from inside me or whatever came out of me is not mine anymore." }, { "end_time": "6:06", "start_time": "6:01", "text": "So I cannot hold, the right of content or whatever you say copyright." }, { "end_time": "6:06", "start_time": "6:06", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "6:07", "start_time": "6:07", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "6:09", "start_time": "6:08", "text": "It's after see." }, { "end_time": "6:11", "start_time": "6:09", "text": "Ranvir, if I give you some advice, it's yours now." }, { "end_time": "6:12", "start_time": "6:11", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "6:17", "start_time": "6:12", "text": "I cannot go and market or that is wrong." }, { "end_time": "6:18", "start_time": "6:17", "text": "That's spiritually wrong." }, { "end_time": "6:18", "start_time": "6:18", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:23", "start_time": "6:18", "text": "And for those of you doubting this, so that's something I got to know later." }, { "end_time": "6:23", "start_time": "6:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:25", "start_time": "6:23", "text": "That That people like this definitely exist in the world." }, { "end_time": "6:29", "start_time": "6:25", "text": "I'm gonna tell you all about, like, Manish's power in the start up world." }, { "end_time": "6:47", "start_time": "6:29", "text": "He's single handedly helped start ups, like, almost 10 x their revenue, 20 x their revenue, things like that, by being, like, just a small consultant yogic level, dude, because of your family lineage, the stuff your Nanaji taught you Yes." }, { "end_time": "6:47", "start_time": "6:47", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "6:49", "start_time": "6:48", "text": "You are extremely advanced spiritually." }, { "end_time": "6:50", "start_time": "6:50", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "6:51", "start_time": "6:50", "text": "I mean, you can say that." }, { "end_time": "6:59", "start_time": "6:51", "text": "I mean, I the the there is no scale to, measure or there is no certification or there is no level that, okay, you are on level 12 or 11 13." }, { "end_time": "7:01", "start_time": "6:59", "text": "If they are, they're all false." }, { "end_time": "7:02", "start_time": "7:01", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:07", "start_time": "7:02", "text": "You know, if they are there in the market, that level 1 yoga, level 2 yoga, it's all false." }, { "end_time": "7:07", "start_time": "7:07", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "7:08", "start_time": "7:07", "text": "It's a journey." }, { "end_time": "7:08", "start_time": "7:08", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "7:10", "start_time": "7:08", "text": "And there cannot be levels of it." }, { "end_time": "7:10", "start_time": "7:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:12", "start_time": "7:10", "text": "And there is no age of attending those level." }, { "end_time": "7:19", "start_time": "7:12", "text": "Maybe a 5 year old tomorrow will be more spiritually advanced, you know, put together all the spiritual person in the world." }, { "end_time": "7:20", "start_time": "7:19", "text": "We don't know about it." }, { "end_time": "7:24", "start_time": "7:20", "text": "And maybe a 60 year old will not be spiritual spiritually advanced at all." }, { "end_time": "7:24", "start_time": "7:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:34", "start_time": "7:24", "text": "So that's the reason I come across too many people, in my life who are way older than my age, but I end up kind of giving them something." }, { "end_time": "7:41", "start_time": "7:34", "text": "And I have met couple of very young people and, like, way, you know, younger than me, and they've taught me a lot of things." }, { "end_time": "7:41", "start_time": "7:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:42", "start_time": "7:41", "text": "100%, bro." }, { "end_time": "7:47", "start_time": "7:42", "text": "But also, like, I think spirituality is one of the things that just stabilizes you from the inside." }, { "end_time": "7:50", "start_time": "7:47", "text": "It also helps your mind grow a lot in terms of your brain works faster." }, { "end_time": "7:51", "start_time": "7:50", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "7:51", "start_time": "7:51", "text": "It does." }, { "end_time": "7:54", "start_time": "7:51", "text": "It unlocks your, inner potential." }, { "end_time": "7:54", "start_time": "7:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:57", "start_time": "7:54", "text": "Like, it it it just breaks your, thought process." }, { "end_time": "7:59", "start_time": "7:57", "text": "It makes you think out of the box." }, { "end_time": "8:01", "start_time": "7:59", "text": "And I feel entrepreneurs need a spiritual side." }, { "end_time": "8:03", "start_time": "8:01", "text": "It's everyone needs it." }, { "end_time": "8:03", "start_time": "8:03", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "8:12", "start_time": "8:03", "text": "But probably the people who need it the most are people who are working in a start up in their twenties and entrepreneurs in their twenties who need creativity, who need that little bit of stamina to work on weekends, things like that." }, { "end_time": "8:13", "start_time": "8:12", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "8:15", "start_time": "8:13", "text": "I, tell I always tell this thing." }, { "end_time": "8:16", "start_time": "8:15", "text": "There are 2 things in the world." }, { "end_time": "8:19", "start_time": "8:17", "text": "One, you become rich, another you become wealthy." }, { "end_time": "8:20", "start_time": "8:20", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "8:23", "start_time": "8:20", "text": "And when I say rich, that means maybe money." }, { "end_time": "8:27", "start_time": "8:23", "text": "But when I say wealthy, you have a lot of things in it and spirituality is one of them." }, { "end_time": "8:27", "start_time": "8:27", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "8:31", "start_time": "8:27", "text": "To have spirituality within within you is very very important." }, { "end_time": "8:31", "start_time": "8:31", "text": "And it's rare." }, { "end_time": "8:35", "start_time": "8:32", "text": "It is like how common sense is rare?" }, { "end_time": "8:35", "start_time": "8:35", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "8:36", "start_time": "8:35", "text": "It's same thing." }, { "end_time": "8:37", "start_time": "8:36", "text": "Like, common sense is very easy." }, { "end_time": "8:38", "start_time": "8:37", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "8:38", "start_time": "8:38", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "8:40", "start_time": "8:38", "text": "But not everyone holds it." }, { "end_time": "8:41", "start_time": "8:40", "text": "Same with spirituality." }, { "end_time": "8:43", "start_time": "8:41", "text": "It's easy but a tough path." }, { "end_time": "8:51", "start_time": "8:43", "text": "So anyway, we're gonna come to the story and why we gave you guys a background on all this because, just who probably the of the story." }, { "end_time": "8:54", "start_time": "8:52", "text": "But through the of the story." }, { "end_time": "8:55", "start_time": "8:55", "text": "Story." }, { "end_time": "8:58", "start_time": "8:56", "text": "Manish has also helped me with my Hindi." }, { "end_time": "9:02", "start_time": "8:58", "text": "He was actually the biggest pusher in me starting my own Hindi YouTube channel." }, { "end_time": "9:06", "start_time": "9:03", "text": "But anyway, coming to the topic, I'm gonna talk about how I met him." }, { "end_time": "9:11", "start_time": "9:06", "text": "So, back when I think we have ourselves at about 100,000 subs, maybe a little less than that." }, { "end_time": "9:14", "start_time": "9:11", "text": "I was going to be giving a big, kind of public speech at some event." }, { "end_time": "9:18", "start_time": "9:14", "text": "Manish was mentoring the team back, and he was working as a consultant there." }, { "end_time": "9:18", "start_time": "9:18", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:21", "start_time": "9:18", "text": "I I I used to take care of the social media part of it." }, { "end_time": "9:27", "start_time": "9:21", "text": "So one of my, core, inputs were always to meet speakers." }, { "end_time": "9:31", "start_time": "9:27", "text": "And, you know, advise them marketable." }, { "end_time": "9:34", "start_time": "9:33", "text": "So that was my role there." }, { "end_time": "9:34", "start_time": "9:34", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "9:38", "start_time": "9:34", "text": "Basically, trying to make the talk as, commercial as possible." }, { "end_time": "9:39", "start_time": "9:38", "text": "Sellable." }, { "end_time": "9:39", "start_time": "9:39", "text": "Sellable." }, { "end_time": "9:40", "start_time": "9:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:40", "start_time": "9:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:48", "start_time": "9:40", "text": "Marketable, sellable, whatever word you so the process that they do for each speaker in that particular organization is that they take your life and they write it down on the board." }, { "end_time": "9:50", "start_time": "9:48", "text": "They ask you detailed questions about your life." }, { "end_time": "9:52", "start_time": "9:50", "text": "They ask you." }, { "end_time": "9:54", "start_time": "9:52", "text": "And this one is not Joe Stocks?" }, { "end_time": "9:54", "start_time": "9:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:55", "start_time": "9:54", "text": "This is not Joe Stocks." }, { "end_time": "9:55", "start_time": "9:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:59", "start_time": "9:55", "text": "So, basically, it sounds a little superficial that they might be making you write your whole life." }, { "end_time": "10:06", "start_time": "9:59", "text": "But when you actually put in that position where your whole life is in front of you written down on the board, it's a little creepy and little emotional." }, { "end_time": "10:06", "start_time": "10:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:07", "start_time": "10:07", "text": "It is." }, { "end_time": "10:11", "start_time": "10:07", "text": "And through the process, like, you know, I think 10 people are asking you all these questions." }, { "end_time": "10:12", "start_time": "10:11", "text": "What were you thinking at this point?" }, { "end_time": "10:13", "start_time": "10:12", "text": "Why did this lead you to that?" }, { "end_time": "10:16", "start_time": "10:14", "text": "Very intense situation for the person in question, which was me at that point." }, { "end_time": "10:17", "start_time": "10:16", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:18", "start_time": "10:17", "text": "I was very emotional." }, { "end_time": "10:19", "start_time": "10:18", "text": "I was like, woah." }, { "end_time": "10:22", "start_time": "10:19", "text": "You know, that's how much I've struggled to even get to, like, 100,000 subscribers." }, { "end_time": "10:22", "start_time": "10:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:31", "start_time": "10:22", "text": "Because, you know, I think once you're on that journey of hustle, once you're growing your YouTube channel, you're constantly thinking about the next video, the next step you wanna take in business, the next thing you wanna do in life." }, { "end_time": "10:33", "start_time": "10:31", "text": "And you don't have time to think of, oh, yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:34", "start_time": "10:33", "text": "I struggled there." }, { "end_time": "10:34", "start_time": "10:34", "text": "Oh, that's what I did." }, { "end_time": "10:36", "start_time": "10:34", "text": "But when you see in front of you, you're like, oh, damn." }, { "end_time": "10:38", "start_time": "10:37", "text": "I'll give a test to you." }, { "end_time": "10:51", "start_time": "10:39", "text": "If we do the same exercise with you now, you will actually do it with a lot of ease without getting all those anxiousness and all because you're calmer as a person now and you are not." }, { "end_time": "10:53", "start_time": "10:51", "text": "You are very unstable then." }, { "end_time": "10:55", "start_time": "10:53", "text": "You are, younger by age also." }, { "end_time": "10:56", "start_time": "10:55", "text": "2, 3 years back." }, { "end_time": "10:57", "start_time": "10:56", "text": "2, 3 years back." }, { "end_time": "11:00", "start_time": "10:57", "text": "And on top of that, you know the kind of habits you had that time." }, { "end_time": "11:03", "start_time": "11:00", "text": "So That's So that brought a lot of unstability in you." }, { "end_time": "11:04", "start_time": "11:03", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "11:08", "start_time": "11:04", "text": "And that that is the that is the biggest problem of, the youth of our country today." }, { "end_time": "11:16", "start_time": "11:08", "text": "And, irrespective of where they are, Bombay, Puna or Nashik or Delhi or or or the smallest ever village that you can think of." }, { "end_time": "11:16", "start_time": "11:16", "text": "Goa?" }, { "end_time": "11:17", "start_time": "11:17", "text": "Goa." }, { "end_time": "11:17", "start_time": "11:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:20", "start_time": "11:17", "text": "I mean, I have I know Yogi's in Goa too." }, { "end_time": "11:21", "start_time": "11:20", "text": "So, you know." }, { "end_time": "11:21", "start_time": "11:21", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "11:22", "start_time": "11:21", "text": "But I'm kidding." }, { "end_time": "11:23", "start_time": "11:22", "text": "So, but, yeah, you're right, bro." }, { "end_time": "11:24", "start_time": "11:23", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "11:30", "start_time": "11:24", "text": "In terms of, this is again, a lot of stuff I'm gonna reveal in this podcast is the first time talking about this on the YouTube channel." }, { "end_time": "11:33", "start_time": "11:30", "text": "And I'm gonna be honest because there's nothing to hide from you guys." }, { "end_time": "11:36", "start_time": "11:34", "text": "Too much meat in my life, firstly." }, { "end_time": "11:39", "start_time": "11:36", "text": "I think there was non veg in, like, 4 meals of the day." }, { "end_time": "11:44", "start_time": "11:39", "text": "I should get up and I should put chicken in, like, my, like a sandwich, eat it." }, { "end_time": "11:46", "start_time": "11:44", "text": "Then for lunch, I would have, like, a chicken breast." }, { "end_time": "11:55", "start_time": "11:46", "text": "Then for, at the 4 o'clock meet, I used to make pohan, put shredded chicken inside, then have eggs before going to the gym, then probably at night, either have fish or lot of red meat." }, { "end_time": "12:01", "start_time": "11:55", "text": "You know, there was just and this was the case for maybe, I think, from 2012 till, say, 2017." }, { "end_time": "12:01", "start_time": "12:01", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "12:02", "start_time": "12:01", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "12:04", "start_time": "12:02", "text": "5 years of my life, every single day I've done that." }, { "end_time": "12:05", "start_time": "12:04", "text": "And other stuff?" }, { "end_time": "12:07", "start_time": "12:06", "text": "And other stuff, a lot." }, { "end_time": "12:14", "start_time": "12:07", "text": "Weekend every single weekend, there had to be at least 1 or sometimes 2 days of, like, hardcore drinking, binge drinking on weekends." }, { "end_time": "12:18", "start_time": "12:14", "text": "Because I just felt that YouTube was such an intense phase of life." }, { "end_time": "12:21", "start_time": "12:18", "text": "And I'd come out of engineering college where drinking culture is such a big thing." }, { "end_time": "12:22", "start_time": "12:21", "text": "I was drinking a lot." }, { "end_time": "12:24", "start_time": "12:22", "text": "I've spoken about my alcoholism problem also on the channel." }, { "end_time": "12:28", "start_time": "12:24", "text": "And wait for it, of course, like the rest of India, I used to, you know, consume marijuana also." }, { "end_time": "12:30", "start_time": "12:29", "text": "Consume marijuana also." }, { "end_time": "12:33", "start_time": "12:30", "text": "I had gone to this habit of actually making canna butter, which is that you take ghee and you take a little butter." }, { "end_time": "12:35", "start_time": "12:33", "text": "Don't give these recipes to the people." }, { "end_time": "12:38", "start_time": "12:35", "text": "But, yeah, I I basically used to consume edible, cannabis." }, { "end_time": "12:40", "start_time": "12:38", "text": "I'm very against smoking." }, { "end_time": "12:42", "start_time": "12:40", "text": "But, in terms of eating, I would like basically, how cannabis." }, { "end_time": "12:43", "start_time": "12:42", "text": "I'm very against smoking." }, { "end_time": "12:49", "start_time": "12:44", "text": "But, in terms of eating, I would like basically, how people consume bhang, you know, it's kind of a version of that." }, { "end_time": "12:51", "start_time": "12:49", "text": "You heat, whatever." }, { "end_time": "12:55", "start_time": "12:51", "text": "Your cannabis with your butter, you make cannabis, you put it on bread and toast and eat it." }, { "end_time": "12:55", "start_time": "12:55", "text": "So I've done shit." }, { "end_time": "12:56", "start_time": "12:55", "text": "I've done shit like that." }, { "end_time": "12:57", "start_time": "12:56", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "13:06", "start_time": "12:57", "text": "But now in my life, there's literally no intoxicant because the biggest intoxicant has been introduced in my life by you, which is the process of spirituality." }, { "end_time": "13:07", "start_time": "13:06", "text": "We'll get to that later as well." }, { "end_time": "13:12", "start_time": "13:08", "text": "Now what this these intoxicants do in the short term is that they'll give you that escapism." }, { "end_time": "13:13", "start_time": "13:12", "text": "They'll give you that party." }, { "end_time": "13:13", "start_time": "13:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:15", "start_time": "13:13", "text": "But in the long term, they make you extremely unstable." }, { "end_time": "13:16", "start_time": "13:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:18", "start_time": "13:16", "text": "So you might even be able to work well." }, { "end_time": "13:19", "start_time": "13:18", "text": "You might even be creative." }, { "end_time": "13:19", "start_time": "13:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:22", "start_time": "13:19", "text": "Hell, you might even be more creative when you're little high on weight." }, { "end_time": "13:23", "start_time": "13:22", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "13:25", "start_time": "13:23", "text": "But when you're not high, when you're sober Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:26", "start_time": "13:25", "text": "Then you're gone." }, { "end_time": "13:26", "start_time": "13:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:28", "start_time": "13:26", "text": "Your whole stability is just, like, completely." }, { "end_time": "13:31", "start_time": "13:28", "text": "You think that there is no life and, you know, you have no motivation." }, { "end_time": "13:31", "start_time": "13:31", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "13:35", "start_time": "13:31", "text": "So I'll I'll I'll touch on the mean meat part first that, you know, it's okay to eat meat." }, { "end_time": "13:38", "start_time": "13:35", "text": "I mean, see, I'm not against people who eat meat." }, { "end_time": "13:41", "start_time": "13:38", "text": "You know, it's their choice, but I'm just going to put the fact out." }, { "end_time": "13:43", "start_time": "13:41", "text": "And this is not my theory." }, { "end_time": "13:44", "start_time": "13:43", "text": "You can Google it." }, { "end_time": "13:46", "start_time": "13:44", "text": "It's there, and it's that's how very simple." }, { "end_time": "13:47", "start_time": "13:46", "text": "It's a common sense." }, { "end_time": "13:51", "start_time": "13:47", "text": "As we said, common sense is very, very, you know, uncommon." }, { "end_time": "14:00", "start_time": "13:51", "text": "So think of this, which all animal, in in in animal kingdom, all the animals that they eat meat and all the animals that they eat grass." }, { "end_time": "14:13", "start_time": "14:00", "text": "Now and also think the way we are evolved like humans, how they were from you know, when you take science you you say that you are monkeys and then you became chimpanzees and apes and whatever and then you became human, you know, homo sapiens today." }, { "end_time": "14:13", "start_time": "14:13", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "14:17", "start_time": "14:13", "text": "Before homo sapiens, there are 4 to 5 more categories of humans which are extinct now." }, { "end_time": "14:17", "start_time": "14:17", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "14:26", "start_time": "14:18", "text": "So if you see their physiological, development biological development, it was completely different and changed time to time, right." }, { "end_time": "14:30", "start_time": "14:26", "text": "Why do we have, molars and, teeth, which can grind food?" }, { "end_time": "14:33", "start_time": "14:30", "text": "Why do we have a tongue that we have in the structure?" }, { "end_time": "14:33", "start_time": "14:33", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "14:34", "start_time": "14:33", "text": "Look at the gut system." }, { "end_time": "14:39", "start_time": "14:35", "text": "Our gut system is around, I think, 9 or 14 meter in between 9 and 14 meter long." }, { "end_time": "14:42", "start_time": "14:40", "text": "Same for the cows or other herbivorous animal." }, { "end_time": "14:46", "start_time": "14:43", "text": "At the same time, if you compare the Tiger." }, { "end_time": "14:50", "start_time": "14:46", "text": "Tiger and all the meat eating carnivore animal, they have a short gut system." }, { "end_time": "14:57", "start_time": "14:51", "text": "The teeth are just the canines and, you know, at most in seizures because they eat by tearing Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "14:59", "start_time": "14:57", "text": "And we eat by chewing Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "14:59", "start_time": "14:59", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "15:01", "start_time": "14:59", "text": "So that gives a fact." }, { "end_time": "15:05", "start_time": "15:01", "text": "The whole digestive process, the the acids that we have in our stomach and all." }, { "end_time": "15:11", "start_time": "15:05", "text": "We are not now evolved and not designed to consume meat." }, { "end_time": "15:13", "start_time": "15:12", "text": "Physiologically, biologically." }, { "end_time": "15:17", "start_time": "15:14", "text": "So we are actually not doing good to our body Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "15:18", "start_time": "15:17", "text": "And to the environment." }, { "end_time": "15:18", "start_time": "15:18", "text": "To the environment." }, { "end_time": "15:22", "start_time": "15:18", "text": "I mean, now I'm sure people must have read about what's happened in Amazon." }, { "end_time": "15:29", "start_time": "15:22", "text": "And a lot of scientists have come up and said that too much of meat consumption is led to what has happened directly, indirectly, the butterfly effect." }, { "end_time": "15:33", "start_time": "15:29", "text": "Climate change meat is directly responsible." }, { "end_time": "15:39", "start_time": "15:33", "text": "I mean, there are a lot of theories you can read and people who used to be meat consumers, scientists from the west." }, { "end_time": "15:40", "start_time": "15:39", "text": "It's a fashion in India." }, { "end_time": "15:40", "start_time": "15:40", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "15:41", "start_time": "15:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:42", "start_time": "15:41", "text": "Trust what people invest in." }, { "end_time": "15:47", "start_time": "15:42", "text": "In fact, Anush was an ego, LeBron James, people like that are actually leaving meat." }, { "end_time": "15:47", "start_time": "15:47", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:48", "start_time": "15:47", "text": "Leaving meat." }, { "end_time": "15:48", "start_time": "15:48", "text": "Virat Kohli." }, { "end_time": "15:49", "start_time": "15:48", "text": "Virat Kohli for that matter." }, { "end_time": "15:51", "start_time": "15:49", "text": "He used to be huge on, like, chicken and all." }, { "end_time": "15:56", "start_time": "15:51", "text": "And, you know, Virat Kohli, now how he's become he's I think he's become vegan also." }, { "end_time": "15:56", "start_time": "15:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:58", "start_time": "15:56", "text": "So he's also left dairy product and all." }, { "end_time": "15:59", "start_time": "15:58", "text": "So yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:01", "start_time": "15:59", "text": "And and at the same time, see, understand." }, { "end_time": "16:03", "start_time": "16:01", "text": "He's one of the fittest athlete in the world." }, { "end_time": "16:04", "start_time": "16:03", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "16:04", "start_time": "16:04", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "16:06", "start_time": "16:04", "text": "He's at the peak of his career." }, { "end_time": "16:08", "start_time": "16:06", "text": "He's scoring so many runs and Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:10", "start_time": "16:08", "text": "Business wise also, he's doing good." }, { "end_time": "16:10", "start_time": "16:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:12", "start_time": "16:10", "text": "I mean, apart from cricket, he has a lot of business." }, { "end_time": "16:13", "start_time": "16:12", "text": "He's a very entrepreneurial guy." }, { "end_time": "16:15", "start_time": "16:13", "text": "Oh, he's got much cooler in the head." }, { "end_time": "16:20", "start_time": "16:15", "text": "Cooler, a calmer and as the role that he's been given captain, he's come out as matured guy." }, { "end_time": "16:23", "start_time": "16:20", "text": "Like, no one no one can talk anything ill about Virat Kol today." }, { "end_time": "16:24", "start_time": "16:23", "text": "Because why?" }, { "end_time": "16:25", "start_time": "16:24", "text": "Because he's brought that calmness." }, { "end_time": "16:30", "start_time": "16:25", "text": "He's very loyal to his, exercises, what he eats, reading, whatever he reads." }, { "end_time": "16:32", "start_time": "16:30", "text": "He teaches himself a lot." }, { "end_time": "16:32", "start_time": "16:32", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "16:35", "start_time": "16:33", "text": "He meditates and all also I've got to know." }, { "end_time": "16:38", "start_time": "16:35", "text": "And, I'm sure he must be doing yoga and all those things." }, { "end_time": "16:42", "start_time": "16:38", "text": "And he's read the same book that we all read, Autobiography of Yogi." }, { "end_time": "16:47", "start_time": "16:42", "text": "You keep mentioning that, you know, that book brought a lot of impact in my life." }, { "end_time": "16:48", "start_time": "16:47", "text": "That's the whole reason I suggested that Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:49", "start_time": "16:48", "text": "You should be back." }, { "end_time": "16:50", "start_time": "16:50", "text": "Back." }, { "end_time": "16:50", "start_time": "16:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:50", "start_time": "16:50", "text": "Cool." }, { "end_time": "16:53", "start_time": "16:51", "text": "So I mean, see, and this is what happened." }, { "end_time": "17:03", "start_time": "16:53", "text": "So again, I'm I want to tell it to everyone, it's your choice, but if you love the Earth, understand there is no other planet like Earth is." }, { "end_time": "17:05", "start_time": "17:03", "text": "It's nowhere else is green." }, { "end_time": "17:05", "start_time": "17:05", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "17:06", "start_time": "17:05", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "17:12", "start_time": "17:06", "text": "No no other planet has 21% of oxygen that you we are all surviving on today." }, { "end_time": "17:27", "start_time": "17:12", "text": "If you care for it, if you want your, kids or your generation to have a good place, I think you should consider, at least lowering down, reducing and slowly if you can leave it, it's great." }, { "end_time": "17:28", "start_time": "17:27", "text": "So if not, it's your choice." }, { "end_time": "17:28", "start_time": "17:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:32", "start_time": "17:28", "text": "Again, it's a very personal call, coming from a meat eater." }, { "end_time": "17:33", "start_time": "17:32", "text": "I've eaten meat all my life." }, { "end_time": "17:34", "start_time": "17:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:42", "start_time": "17:34", "text": "See, the thing is you kind of get addicted to the taste of it, and you can't imagine life without it because chicken biryani, mutton smells a particular way and it makes your mouth water." }, { "end_time": "17:45", "start_time": "17:42", "text": "Sausages smell a particular way and they make your mouth water." }, { "end_time": "17:45", "start_time": "17:45", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "17:47", "start_time": "17:45", "text": "So it's very difficult to just tell someone to leave meat." }, { "end_time": "17:49", "start_time": "17:47", "text": "That voice has to come from inside you." }, { "end_time": "17:52", "start_time": "17:49", "text": "If you feel that your system is now rejected, that's when you do." }, { "end_time": "17:54", "start_time": "17:52", "text": "And I'll explain to you all how I left it also." }, { "end_time": "17:56", "start_time": "17:54", "text": "It's not like Manish told me once he leave meat and I left it." }, { "end_time": "17:58", "start_time": "17:56", "text": "He used to tell me, but I'll be like, okay." }, { "end_time": "18:00", "start_time": "17:58", "text": "But maybe after, you know, this chicken biryani Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:01", "start_time": "18:00", "text": "I'll think of leaving." }, { "end_time": "18:02", "start_time": "18:01", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:02", "start_time": "18:02", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "18:04", "start_time": "18:02", "text": "So, again, leaving meat is very personal." }, { "end_time": "18:10", "start_time": "18:05", "text": "Leaving alcohol and weed, that's a whole other, conversation." }, { "end_time": "18:10", "start_time": "18:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:12", "start_time": "18:10", "text": "And that's the other thing I wanted to talk to you about, dude." }, { "end_time": "18:18", "start_time": "18:13", "text": "What does alcohol and weed do to your to the system of a young person in the long term?" }, { "end_time": "18:22", "start_time": "18:18", "text": "A lot of people are using it as an escapism, especially in corporate culture." }, { "end_time": "18:24", "start_time": "18:22", "text": "Corporate culture too even there's a lot of smoking cigarettes." }, { "end_time": "18:24", "start_time": "18:24", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "18:28", "start_time": "18:24", "text": "But, generally, there's a lot of binge drinking and pot smoking Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:29", "start_time": "18:28", "text": "Amongst the youth." }, { "end_time": "18:34", "start_time": "18:29", "text": "So why are are the youth turning to pot smoking and drinking so much?" }, { "end_time": "18:37", "start_time": "18:34", "text": "Why did I drink and eat so much pot?" }, { "end_time": "18:44", "start_time": "18:37", "text": "I, I'm sorry to be a little harsh here, but I clearly want to blame the western world here, about it." }, { "end_time": "18:52", "start_time": "18:45", "text": "You know, all that things that you listen and you read that, oh, Bhulebava, Sankar Bhagwan used to smoke up and they're all bullshit." }, { "end_time": "18:54", "start_time": "18:53", "text": "It was never like that." }, { "end_time": "18:55", "start_time": "18:54", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "18:56", "start_time": "18:55", "text": "He didn't need all these things." }, { "end_time": "19:05", "start_time": "18:56", "text": "And, also, you see sadhus and all, you know, people say now when you go to Rishikesh or you go to Banaras, when you go to Kumbh Mela, you see Naga Baba and all this smoking up and all." }, { "end_time": "19:07", "start_time": "19:05", "text": "You talk to them and all." }, { "end_time": "19:12", "start_time": "19:07", "text": "Only those smoke up who've not got to that level to help them to get to that level." }, { "end_time": "19:15", "start_time": "19:12", "text": "But once they get to the level, they leave it." }, { "end_time": "19:16", "start_time": "19:15", "text": "How does it help you get to that level?" }, { "end_time": "19:19", "start_time": "19:16", "text": "So the whole point is it makes you, like, out of your mind." }, { "end_time": "19:21", "start_time": "19:19", "text": "It just helps you focus in one direction." }, { "end_time": "19:22", "start_time": "19:21", "text": "In one direction." }, { "end_time": "19:28", "start_time": "19:22", "text": "But see, I understand it's a very dangerous thing to have because, they the yogis, they leave it." }, { "end_time": "19:30", "start_time": "19:28", "text": "But the youth, they don't end up leaving." }, { "end_time": "19:31", "start_time": "19:30", "text": "They make this their life." }, { "end_time": "19:32", "start_time": "19:31", "text": "And they justify it." }, { "end_time": "19:32", "start_time": "19:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:40", "start_time": "19:32", "text": "And, I I I have come across a couple of videos on on Be Your Biceps channel or on Veer Allahabadya's channel, and you've spoken very clearly about it." }, { "end_time": "19:41", "start_time": "19:40", "text": "See, let's talk science." }, { "end_time": "19:52", "start_time": "19:42", "text": "What does alcohol or what does, weed or whatever name you have for that does, is it is just chemical." }, { "end_time": "19:56", "start_time": "19:52", "text": "It enters your body, and it stimulates some other chemical to make something else." }, { "end_time": "20:04", "start_time": "19:57", "text": "And, again, if you deep go deep down, you will spook about oxytonin, you know, you'll talk about serotonin and, you know, all those, things." }, { "end_time": "20:06", "start_time": "20:05", "text": "So what it does and all?" }, { "end_time": "20:14", "start_time": "20:06", "text": "So what happens is with time, it becomes one of the component of your chemical system of body." }, { "end_time": "20:23", "start_time": "20:14", "text": "And when you don't get that, that's the time you feel very lethargic, you feel angry and all because your blood demands it, your your system demands it." }, { "end_time": "20:24", "start_time": "20:23", "text": "That's what is called addiction." }, { "end_time": "20:24", "start_time": "20:24", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "20:26", "start_time": "20:24", "text": "So that is what alcohol and weed does it." }, { "end_time": "20:33", "start_time": "20:26", "text": "It actually makes you a slave of of of the component of the chemicals that go in into your body." }, { "end_time": "20:34", "start_time": "20:33", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "20:35", "start_time": "20:34", "text": "Wherein you don't need it." }, { "end_time": "20:35", "start_time": "20:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:40", "start_time": "20:35", "text": "Our body is capable enough to manufacture those Feel good hormones." }, { "end_time": "20:42", "start_time": "20:40", "text": "Feel good hormones automatically." }, { "end_time": "20:42", "start_time": "20:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:44", "start_time": "20:42", "text": "And there are yogi processes for it." }, { "end_time": "20:46", "start_time": "20:44", "text": "There are spiritual processes for it." }, { "end_time": "20:47", "start_time": "20:46", "text": "And and it is not rocket science." }, { "end_time": "20:49", "start_time": "20:47", "text": "It is very simple, but it needs practice." }, { "end_time": "20:50", "start_time": "20:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:57", "start_time": "20:50", "text": "This is also perfect example of the kind of mentoring you gave me, initially, where I think I should turn to that for my party because I was working so hard at BYS subs." }, { "end_time": "21:00", "start_time": "20:57", "text": "I think back then, it was literally just Rajesh, Viraj, and myself." }, { "end_time": "21:03", "start_time": "21:00", "text": "And we were really giving it a 5,000%." }, { "end_time": "21:04", "start_time": "21:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:07", "start_time": "21:04", "text": "So at night, after my work was done, I always wanted to chill a little bit Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:13", "start_time": "21:08", "text": "Without realizing that, wait, I can give my 50,000 percent if I choose not to chill in the long run." }, { "end_time": "21:14", "start_time": "21:13", "text": "What do you call it?" }, { "end_time": "21:15", "start_time": "21:14", "text": "Hot box?" }, { "end_time": "21:16", "start_time": "21:15", "text": "That No." }, { "end_time": "21:16", "start_time": "21:16", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "21:17", "start_time": "21:16", "text": "I I didn't I didn't smoke up." }, { "end_time": "21:19", "start_time": "21:17", "text": "But, like, my friends used to smoke up." }, { "end_time": "21:22", "start_time": "21:19", "text": "I used to eat more, like, of that can of butter." }, { "end_time": "21:23", "start_time": "21:22", "text": "Oh, whatever." }, { "end_time": "21:23", "start_time": "21:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:31", "start_time": "21:24", "text": "Anyway, in I used to even actually eat it and kind of try writing beer wise scripts for the same reason that it helps you think in one time." }, { "end_time": "21:35", "start_time": "21:31", "text": "But but but now go to those scripts and compare those scripts with the script that you write now." }, { "end_time": "21:36", "start_time": "21:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:37", "start_time": "21:36", "text": "You'll get your answer." }, { "end_time": "21:37", "start_time": "21:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:37", "start_time": "21:37", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "21:40", "start_time": "21:37", "text": "It's everything's become much more intense, much more better now." }, { "end_time": "21:41", "start_time": "21:40", "text": "Better and, with a vision." }, { "end_time": "21:42", "start_time": "21:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:42", "start_time": "21:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:42", "start_time": "21:42", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "21:44", "start_time": "21:42", "text": "And with not that shortcuts." }, { "end_time": "21:44", "start_time": "21:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:45", "start_time": "21:44", "text": "That shortcut." }, { "end_time": "21:51", "start_time": "21:46", "text": "Also, there's, like, close to 35 people working at, like, and the associated businesses." }, { "end_time": "21:52", "start_time": "21:51", "text": "See, family has grown." }, { "end_time": "21:53", "start_time": "21:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:54", "start_time": "21:53", "text": "So So everything positive has happened." }, { "end_time": "21:55", "start_time": "21:54", "text": "A 100%." }, { "end_time": "22:01", "start_time": "21:55", "text": "And I just feel too much pressure now to even consider the possibility of being stoned or being drunk." }, { "end_time": "22:04", "start_time": "22:01", "text": "It's like, dude, if I'm drunk or stoned, my brain won't work fast." }, { "end_time": "22:16", "start_time": "22:04", "text": "I mean I mean, see, there are enough example in the in in front of us who've been slave of this nationally, internationally, and amazingly talented people going, losing their lives." }, { "end_time": "22:22", "start_time": "22:17", "text": "I mean, I read the other day, about, Berris Bock, what is his name?" }, { "end_time": "22:24", "start_time": "22:22", "text": "Berris that tennis player?" }, { "end_time": "22:25", "start_time": "22:24", "text": "Boris Bocko." }, { "end_time": "22:25", "start_time": "22:25", "text": "Boris Bocko." }, { "end_time": "22:28", "start_time": "22:25", "text": "I read that a very east tennis player." }, { "end_time": "22:35", "start_time": "22:29", "text": "Was bankrupt because, he had, drinking habits, alcohol, and then, you know, multiple wives and all those things whatever." }, { "end_time": "22:36", "start_time": "22:35", "text": "Maradona, I read about." }, { "end_time": "22:38", "start_time": "22:36", "text": "Maradona, oh my God." }, { "end_time": "22:39", "start_time": "22:38", "text": "I mean, such a legendary player." }, { "end_time": "22:41", "start_time": "22:39", "text": "There are too many examples in Bollywood." }, { "end_time": "22:41", "start_time": "22:41", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "22:47", "start_time": "22:41", "text": "You know, people and amazing artists losing their life for this small pity things Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:48", "start_time": "22:47", "text": "Is very sad." }, { "end_time": "22:48", "start_time": "22:48", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "22:49", "start_time": "22:48", "text": "But let's come back to the story." }, { "end_time": "22:59", "start_time": "22:50", "text": "So, dude, what was your first impression when, when I did my whole story and I was like, when I struggle And I was smiling." }, { "end_time": "23:01", "start_time": "22:59", "text": "I said, I I have a first world problem." }, { "end_time": "23:03", "start_time": "23:01", "text": "We struggle with rice." }, { "end_time": "23:03", "start_time": "23:03", "text": "Go." }, { "end_time": "23:04", "start_time": "23:03", "text": "I used to." }, { "end_time": "23:04", "start_time": "23:04", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "23:09", "start_time": "23:04", "text": "I used to sleep in a very comfortable bed with AC on and, I was restless." }, { "end_time": "23:10", "start_time": "23:09", "text": "I said, okay, cool." }, { "end_time": "23:13", "start_time": "23:10", "text": "There are people sleeping under the flyover as under the flyover as well." }, { "end_time": "23:13", "start_time": "23:13", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "23:14", "start_time": "23:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:15", "start_time": "23:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:16", "start_time": "23:15", "text": "So, I mean, it's okay." }, { "end_time": "23:18", "start_time": "23:16", "text": "Everyone's struggle is struggle." }, { "end_time": "23:19", "start_time": "23:18", "text": "You should never underestimate struggle." }, { "end_time": "23:20", "start_time": "23:19", "text": "All good, bro." }, { "end_time": "23:20", "start_time": "23:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:25", "start_time": "23:21", "text": "Why don't you tell that story of you try to find out who am I and what is happening?" }, { "end_time": "23:30", "start_time": "23:26", "text": "Now coming to the context of my life at that point, I'd gotten already into spirituality." }, { "end_time": "23:33", "start_time": "23:30", "text": "Like, I was very intrigued by the concept of meditation." }, { "end_time": "23:35", "start_time": "23:33", "text": "I read the scientific aspects of it." }, { "end_time": "23:36", "start_time": "23:35", "text": "You learned reiki?" }, { "end_time": "23:36", "start_time": "23:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:38", "start_time": "23:36", "text": "And I enrolled for a reiki course." }, { "end_time": "23:40", "start_time": "23:38", "text": "I've spoken about this on the podcast earlier also." }, { "end_time": "23:44", "start_time": "23:40", "text": "It was one of the greatest experience of my life going for that particular Reiki course." }, { "end_time": "23:45", "start_time": "23:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:50", "start_time": "23:45", "text": "And I used to keep recommending Reiki to everyone because it had really helped me and healed me in that course." }, { "end_time": "23:50", "start_time": "23:50", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "23:57", "start_time": "23:50", "text": "So, dude, throughout that exercise of me writing stuff on the wall about myself, you were, like, on the side." }, { "end_time": "23:57", "start_time": "23:57", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "23:59", "start_time": "23:57", "text": "Like, you were you were saying some aggressive stuff to me." }, { "end_time": "24:00", "start_time": "23:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:01", "start_time": "24:00", "text": "I think to shake me up." }, { "end_time": "24:01", "start_time": "24:01", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:03", "start_time": "24:01", "text": "So I read it as, Hari, why are you so angry in life?" }, { "end_time": "24:03", "start_time": "24:03", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "24:04", "start_time": "24:03", "text": "I didn't tell you that." }, { "end_time": "24:04", "start_time": "24:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:05", "start_time": "24:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:06", "start_time": "24:05", "text": "But I was like, this guy is one angry guy." }, { "end_time": "24:08", "start_time": "24:06", "text": "Man, he's the most negative guy in the room." }, { "end_time": "24:08", "start_time": "24:08", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:11", "start_time": "24:08", "text": "So I don't exactly remember or something like that." }, { "end_time": "24:14", "start_time": "24:11", "text": "So I felt like you were a really negative angry guy and when everyone left the room, I was like, hey, man." }, { "end_time": "24:16", "start_time": "24:14", "text": "Who did this to you?" }, { "end_time": "24:16", "start_time": "24:16", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:23", "start_time": "24:16", "text": "I wasn't that and I told you, Manish, dude, I've gone for this incredible thing called Reiki and and you should go for it." }, { "end_time": "24:23", "start_time": "24:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:24", "start_time": "24:23", "text": "You should start meditating." }, { "end_time": "24:24", "start_time": "24:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:26", "start_time": "24:24", "text": "And you just looked at me." }, { "end_time": "24:27", "start_time": "24:26", "text": "And then, alright." }, { "end_time": "24:27", "start_time": "24:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:28", "start_time": "24:27", "text": "And you're like, oh, okay." }, { "end_time": "24:28", "start_time": "24:28", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "24:28", "start_time": "24:28", "text": "Cool." }, { "end_time": "24:29", "start_time": "24:28", "text": "Cool." }, { "end_time": "24:30", "start_time": "24:29", "text": "Cool." }, { "end_time": "24:40", "start_time": "24:30", "text": "So you gave me that pipe and I think in the next half an hour, you told me about your family's history of how deep you all are into spirituality, how much meditation you've done, how many kriyas you've done." }, { "end_time": "24:46", "start_time": "24:41", "text": "And for those of you who know anything about meditation, Manish is like very, very evolved." }, { "end_time": "24:56", "start_time": "24:46", "text": "For those of you who don't know anything about spirituality and meditation, he's playing, like, semi professional football if, like, you know, professional football is, like, sub guru or, like, say Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:04", "start_time": "24:56", "text": "Well, I don't, I don't, endorse the comparison here because as I said in initially as well, you know, and and might be more spiritual than what I am and actually they are." }, { "end_time": "25:05", "start_time": "25:04", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "25:09", "start_time": "25:05", "text": "So, so anyone who can bring themselves into some focus are spiritual." }, { "end_time": "25:11", "start_time": "25:09", "text": "So we all have to practice." }, { "end_time": "25:11", "start_time": "25:11", "text": "Cool." }, { "end_time": "25:12", "start_time": "25:12", "text": "Cool." }, { "end_time": "25:13", "start_time": "25:12", "text": "But but what what coming back to that story." }, { "end_time": "25:19", "start_time": "25:13", "text": "So, bro, what was, like, your whole opinion on that situation that had happened?" }, { "end_time": "25:22", "start_time": "25:19", "text": "See, I'm a person who does not form any opinion." }, { "end_time": "25:28", "start_time": "25:22", "text": "Like, it is against, the rules of spirituality or spiritual people don't do it." }, { "end_time": "25:28", "start_time": "25:28", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "25:29", "start_time": "25:28", "text": "Then you cannot call yourself." }, { "end_time": "25:31", "start_time": "25:29", "text": "So why were you me so much?" }, { "end_time": "25:32", "start_time": "25:31", "text": "I was not." }, { "end_time": "25:35", "start_time": "25:33", "text": "I was just saying things which were true." }, { "end_time": "25:38", "start_time": "25:35", "text": "And that seemed like to you because you actually took it on your ego." }, { "end_time": "25:38", "start_time": "25:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:38", "start_time": "25:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:39", "start_time": "25:39", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "25:45", "start_time": "25:40", "text": "That's that's exactly what it was." }, { "end_time": "25:49", "start_time": "25:45", "text": "And then you tried to kind of come across, like." }, { "end_time": "25:50", "start_time": "25:49", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "25:53", "start_time": "25:50", "text": "And that is where I you failed your test." }, { "end_time": "25:56", "start_time": "25:53", "text": "And, you know, later and then after that, everything is is what what do you say?" }, { "end_time": "25:57", "start_time": "25:56", "text": "History or whatever." }, { "end_time": "25:57", "start_time": "25:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:01", "start_time": "25:57", "text": "So, basically, what I was doing in that room was I was trying to intrigue you to tell you, bro, chill." }, { "end_time": "26:03", "start_time": "26:01", "text": "All this exercise is happening for your good only." }, { "end_time": "26:39", "start_time": "26:03", "text": "You because you're too why are they going into my family like why are why do they want to know about my mom why do they want to know about my dog like all that questions so so as I said they were just trying to get all this information from inside you to form something which which is completely okay because you're not that person you don't like that and it's completely fine so what I was doing in the whole process was just to telling you to come down yeah it's okay I also remember at that point, you had just launched Munken Entertainment." }, { "end_time": "26:47", "start_time": "26:39", "text": "And, my pitch to that team was, let me do a talk on how to create a business from scratch because that's what I had successfully done on BYSIS." }, { "end_time": "26:51", "start_time": "26:48", "text": "And I was very sure I was successfully doing on Munken Entertainment at that point also." }, { "end_time": "26:51", "start_time": "26:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:53", "start_time": "26:51", "text": "And the team, like, bluntly rejected it." }, { "end_time": "26:53", "start_time": "26:53", "text": "They were like, no." }, { "end_time": "26:59", "start_time": "26:53", "text": "Why should we get a young kid to, give a talk on business when we have an option of getting, like, an established business plan?" }, { "end_time": "27:00", "start_time": "26:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:05", "start_time": "27:00", "text": "My belief on it still is that you should let a young kid give it because only young other young kids can only connect with another young kid." }, { "end_time": "27:06", "start_time": "27:05", "text": "I I I get your point." }, { "end_time": "27:08", "start_time": "27:06", "text": "And that's what you've been doing on the channels." }, { "end_time": "27:08", "start_time": "27:08", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:14", "start_time": "27:08", "text": "So I decided against doing that talk because I was like, you know, I'd rather than talk through my own channel and tell people what I'm doing." }, { "end_time": "27:14", "start_time": "27:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:16", "start_time": "27:14", "text": "And I I remember we had that conversation." }, { "end_time": "27:18", "start_time": "27:16", "text": "I said that it's completely okay to say no." }, { "end_time": "27:18", "start_time": "27:18", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:19", "start_time": "27:18", "text": "Because Because you're not feeling like it." }, { "end_time": "27:20", "start_time": "27:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:21", "start_time": "27:20", "text": "So I I did say no." }, { "end_time": "27:21", "start_time": "27:21", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:22", "start_time": "27:21", "text": "And, I eventually started frustrating you a lot with my phone calls because I knew I had, like, that weed problem." }, { "end_time": "27:24", "start_time": "27:22", "text": "I had that alcohol problem." }, { "end_time": "27:30", "start_time": "27:24", "text": "And I would, like, call you up and say, hey, bro, can I just, like, meet you?" }, { "end_time": "27:36", "start_time": "27:30", "text": "Because I just needed I think I needed, like, a big brother in my life at that point." }, { "end_time": "27:38", "start_time": "27:36", "text": "I hadn't had a mentor in my life." }, { "end_time": "27:39", "start_time": "27:38", "text": "I had one mentor." }, { "end_time": "27:40", "start_time": "27:39", "text": "His name was Tanmaybhat from AIB." }, { "end_time": "27:44", "start_time": "27:41", "text": "Back in the day, he was the first guy who gave me all my digital knowledge." }, { "end_time": "27:45", "start_time": "27:44", "text": "And then I had not been in touch with him." }, { "end_time": "27:50", "start_time": "27:45", "text": "So I needed that one big brother in my life to just tell me, bro, what are we in Munger Entertainment is correct?" }, { "end_time": "27:52", "start_time": "27:50", "text": "This is what you should be doing next." }, { "end_time": "27:55", "start_time": "27:52", "text": "So, now I want to correct you here with a little bit." }, { "end_time": "27:59", "start_time": "27:55", "text": "You said that you called me and you frustrated me, but I was not frustrated." }, { "end_time": "28:00", "start_time": "27:59", "text": "I I bothered you." }, { "end_time": "28:01", "start_time": "28:00", "text": "I bothered you." }, { "end_time": "28:02", "start_time": "28:01", "text": "I was not frustrated." }, { "end_time": "28:06", "start_time": "28:03", "text": "The whole point, if I would have been frustrated, we would have never met." }, { "end_time": "28:08", "start_time": "28:06", "text": "I could have just said that, bro, you know what?" }, { "end_time": "28:10", "start_time": "28:09", "text": "And I was actually doing a lot of things that time." }, { "end_time": "28:14", "start_time": "28:10", "text": "I was, working, as a consultant at, Reliance." }, { "end_time": "28:18", "start_time": "28:14", "text": "So I was very busy with the and I was working with a very senior team there." }, { "end_time": "28:19", "start_time": "28:18", "text": "So I was I was actually busy." }, { "end_time": "28:26", "start_time": "28:19", "text": "You know, I had there were a lot of responsibility on my shoulder and the other organization, which I was a part of and couple of more things." }, { "end_time": "28:28", "start_time": "28:26", "text": "So I was doing too many things." }, { "end_time": "28:32", "start_time": "28:28", "text": "So but but what I scanned of you and I said that, okay." }, { "end_time": "28:35", "start_time": "28:32", "text": "This flower needs to bloom." }, { "end_time": "28:37", "start_time": "28:35", "text": "This bud needs to bloom." }, { "end_time": "28:44", "start_time": "28:37", "text": "And that's the reason what I will call it is I actually did a part of whatever I could." }, { "end_time": "28:47", "start_time": "28:45", "text": "And I lived a dream within inside you." }, { "end_time": "28:54", "start_time": "28:47", "text": "Whatever I wanted to do in my life, and I was not able to do because of my responsibilities and situations and family and everything." }, { "end_time": "28:56", "start_time": "28:54", "text": "I lived that in you." }, { "end_time": "28:56", "start_time": "28:56", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "29:01", "start_time": "28:56", "text": "So so so that fire I put in you, and, you did wonderful job." }, { "end_time": "29:04", "start_time": "29:01", "text": "I mean, you did 100 times better than what I could have done." }, { "end_time": "29:04", "start_time": "29:04", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "29:04", "start_time": "29:04", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "29:09", "start_time": "29:04", "text": "I'm I'm I'm very, I'm frankly saying, please." }, { "end_time": "29:10", "start_time": "29:09", "text": "And I'm through you." }, { "end_time": "29:21", "start_time": "29:10", "text": "I'm also telling you telling this to all the brothers and sisters that we know in our content world, like, and too many people, and all." }, { "end_time": "29:32", "start_time": "29:21", "text": "You guys are incredibly talented, incredibly, you know, capable of, actually writing a new history of the nation." }, { "end_time": "29:35", "start_time": "29:32", "text": "And I'm not I'm I'm I'm I'm chewing my words when I'm saying this." }, { "end_time": "29:39", "start_time": "29:35", "text": "Can I can I take you through these four names, and can you quickly tell me one positive thing about each person?" }, { "end_time": "29:39", "start_time": "29:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:40", "start_time": "29:40", "text": "Buwan?" }, { "end_time": "29:41", "start_time": "29:40", "text": "Very creative." }, { "end_time": "29:42", "start_time": "29:41", "text": "Nikunj?" }, { "end_time": "29:44", "start_time": "29:43", "text": "Very straight headed." }, { "end_time": "29:45", "start_time": "29:44", "text": "Very focused." }, { "end_time": "29:45", "start_time": "29:45", "text": "That's." }, { "end_time": "29:46", "start_time": "29:46", "text": "Oh, okay." }, { "end_time": "29:47", "start_time": "29:46", "text": "Flying." }, { "end_time": "29:50", "start_time": "29:47", "text": "He is a package." }, { "end_time": "29:51", "start_time": "29:51", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "29:52", "start_time": "29:51", "text": "Amazing package." }, { "end_time": "29:53", "start_time": "29:52", "text": "And Prajakta?" }, { "end_time": "29:57", "start_time": "29:53", "text": "Prajakta is very, very, what do you say, like, ambitious." }, { "end_time": "30:01", "start_time": "29:57", "text": "She she wants to, like, hit all the tops, you know?" }, { "end_time": "30:01", "start_time": "30:01", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "30:02", "start_time": "30:01", "text": "Number 1." }, { "end_time": "30:02", "start_time": "30:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:06", "start_time": "30:02", "text": "She she wants to be there, like, you know, like and that's a good thing to have." }, { "end_time": "30:06", "start_time": "30:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:06", "start_time": "30:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:10", "start_time": "30:06", "text": "And what did you see in Viraj and me that you were like, okay, I'll mentor these guys very closely?" }, { "end_time": "30:15", "start_time": "30:11", "text": "That the things that you guys will create, the country will remember." }, { "end_time": "30:21", "start_time": "30:16", "text": "The concept of Ranveer, the concept of Viraj is gonna be there for 1000 of years." }, { "end_time": "30:22", "start_time": "30:21", "text": "It's not gonna fade away." }, { "end_time": "30:23", "start_time": "30:23", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "30:29", "start_time": "30:23", "text": "So I think Viraj and me, I think our work life relationship, like, cofounder relationship is very Hello." }, { "end_time": "30:31", "start_time": "30:29", "text": "Then what do you say the relationship with Rajas you have?" }, { "end_time": "30:33", "start_time": "30:31", "text": "He's my work wife and beer wife." }, { "end_time": "30:34", "start_time": "30:33", "text": "Oh, so you have 2 wives?" }, { "end_time": "30:34", "start_time": "30:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:34", "start_time": "30:34", "text": "I do." }, { "end_time": "30:35", "start_time": "30:34", "text": "I do." }, { "end_time": "30:37", "start_time": "30:35", "text": "So, and I'll end up with in fact, it's not just Viraj." }, { "end_time": "30:39", "start_time": "30:37", "text": "It's both Rajas and Viraj." }, { "end_time": "30:39", "start_time": "30:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:40", "start_time": "30:39", "text": "Both of them." }, { "end_time": "30:43", "start_time": "30:40", "text": "I think it's, like, fully ego less work, and it's been like that since day 1." }, { "end_time": "30:44", "start_time": "30:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:49", "start_time": "30:44", "text": "So even if we have arguments, we know that it's always for the best of, you know, the best end result for the companies." }, { "end_time": "30:49", "start_time": "30:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:59", "start_time": "30:50", "text": "So it's I've been blessed with, like, the most beautiful cofounders, the most beautiful mentors, and this is Well, I that I take, I mean, I'm lucky enough to be in the No." }, { "end_time": "31:00", "start_time": "31:00", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "31:01", "start_time": "31:00", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "31:01", "start_time": "31:01", "text": "Nothing." }, { "end_time": "31:07", "start_time": "31:01", "text": "I I know I know why I'm saying because, you know, maybe we'll talk about it in some other conversation if we have." }, { "end_time": "31:09", "start_time": "31:08", "text": "I've seen the kind of things that I've seen." }, { "end_time": "31:14", "start_time": "31:09", "text": "Dude, why didn't you, you know, tell me to leave something like weed from the beginning?" }, { "end_time": "31:15", "start_time": "31:14", "text": "Why did you wait?" }, { "end_time": "31:16", "start_time": "31:15", "text": "Because, everything is a process." }, { "end_time": "31:24", "start_time": "31:17", "text": "I remember and I know that one time when we were sitting at the Holy Seafood, I guess, it was group I mean, it was a one." }, { "end_time": "31:24", "start_time": "31:24", "text": "Not group." }, { "end_time": "31:25", "start_time": "31:24", "text": "1." }, { "end_time": "31:29", "start_time": "31:26", "text": "And that day also, you were pretty high and you came and you spoke to me." }, { "end_time": "31:30", "start_time": "31:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:31", "start_time": "31:30", "text": "And I didn't react." }, { "end_time": "31:34", "start_time": "31:31", "text": "And I didn't I didn't comment that you are high and I'll not talk to you right now." }, { "end_time": "31:35", "start_time": "31:34", "text": "And I spoke to you." }, { "end_time": "31:36", "start_time": "31:35", "text": "We spoke for hours, I guess." }, { "end_time": "31:36", "start_time": "31:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:37", "start_time": "31:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:37", "start_time": "31:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:37", "start_time": "31:37", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "31:38", "start_time": "31:37", "text": "I was also very damaged in my life." }, { "end_time": "31:41", "start_time": "31:38", "text": "Damaged in that day you said channel and all that." }, { "end_time": "31:42", "start_time": "31:41", "text": "And I said, are you mad?" }, { "end_time": "31:42", "start_time": "31:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:45", "start_time": "31:42", "text": "This was at, like, a 150 k something something." }, { "end_time": "31:57", "start_time": "31:45", "text": "So I said And and and one thing which, again, that I think that was the first time when I told you that if you have 150 k people on you, that means you have 150 k people responsibility on your shoulder." }, { "end_time": "31:58", "start_time": "31:57", "text": "They're looking up to you." }, { "end_time": "32:00", "start_time": "31:58", "text": "They've they've they've put in trust in you." }, { "end_time": "32:02", "start_time": "32:00", "text": "They've put in time in you." }, { "end_time": "32:07", "start_time": "32:02", "text": "They have given the most valuable thing to you, which is time of their life by watching the video." }, { "end_time": "32:09", "start_time": "32:07", "text": "How can you betray them?" }, { "end_time": "32:09", "start_time": "32:09", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:11", "start_time": "32:09", "text": "So I think I was just very beaten down in life, man." }, { "end_time": "32:16", "start_time": "32:11", "text": "At that point, probably also some wrong people around me, you know, wrong voices, things like that." }, { "end_time": "32:18", "start_time": "32:16", "text": "So I was having this conversation." }, { "end_time": "32:21", "start_time": "32:18", "text": "I remember, Ayush, you've done, interview with Pesto Tech." }, { "end_time": "32:28", "start_time": "32:21", "text": "You know, you've heard about this quote, right, that you are, a result of what, 5 books you read and 5 people you're around." }, { "end_time": "32:33", "start_time": "32:28", "text": "But today's in digital context, it's a little changed because you're on social media." }, { "end_time": "32:34", "start_time": "32:33", "text": "And too many people follow you." }, { "end_time": "32:36", "start_time": "32:34", "text": "You follow too many people." }, { "end_time": "32:38", "start_time": "32:36", "text": "And there are friends and peer groups and family and everything." }, { "end_time": "32:42", "start_time": "32:38", "text": "You actually become, something." }, { "end_time": "32:48", "start_time": "32:42", "text": "You become a result or you become an example of the 500 people you connected online." }, { "end_time": "32:51", "start_time": "32:48", "text": "So this is for, all people who are watching." }, { "end_time": "32:56", "start_time": "32:51", "text": "Please be very careful of who you're subscribing to and what kind of content they are putting." }, { "end_time": "33:00", "start_time": "32:57", "text": "So, you know, entertainment is a different thing altogether." }, { "end_time": "33:04", "start_time": "33:00", "text": "Please, all entertainment creator do subscribe there because you need entertainment." }, { "end_time": "33:05", "start_time": "33:04", "text": "You need comedy." }, { "end_time": "33:05", "start_time": "33:05", "text": "You need laughter." }, { "end_time": "33:06", "start_time": "33:05", "text": "You need songs." }, { "end_time": "33:07", "start_time": "33:06", "text": "You need whatever you like." }, { "end_time": "33:08", "start_time": "33:07", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "33:13", "start_time": "33:08", "text": "But but when it comes to opinionative talks, be very, very careful who you are." }, { "end_time": "33:19", "start_time": "33:13", "text": "Subscribers who and I feel there's a lot of opinionated people who creating so called infotainment content which bring out negativity on life." }, { "end_time": "33:20", "start_time": "33:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:21", "start_time": "33:20", "text": "Like a lot of sexism." }, { "end_time": "33:21", "start_time": "33:21", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:25", "start_time": "33:21", "text": "A lot of, like, like, there's people who talk about, hustle and business." }, { "end_time": "33:26", "start_time": "33:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:27", "start_time": "33:26", "text": "And what are they actually But with anger." }, { "end_time": "33:28", "start_time": "33:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:32", "start_time": "33:28", "text": "With anger, and they they're not doing they've not done anything to justify that they should be the ones talking about hustle." }, { "end_time": "33:34", "start_time": "33:32", "text": "They don't have business of their own." }, { "end_time": "33:34", "start_time": "33:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:39", "start_time": "33:34", "text": "Did some of them haven't even completed education and are giving talks on, like Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:42", "start_time": "33:39", "text": "But, bro, what have you done it?" }, { "end_time": "33:45", "start_time": "33:42", "text": "So you you should not preach if you've not practiced that." }, { "end_time": "33:53", "start_time": "33:45", "text": "Which is also why I think Manish really pushed Viraj and me hard to grow manga entertainment fast and big." }, { "end_time": "34:05", "start_time": "33:53", "text": "Because if at all I am that guy who is gonna talk about working hard and creating business, there should be a very solid business other than just biceps to be able to say that, listen, we've built that as well so I know what I'm talking about." }, { "end_time": "34:05", "start_time": "34:05", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "34:08", "start_time": "34:05", "text": "And that's why Manish is also mentoring my team on the next startup." }, { "end_time": "34:09", "start_time": "34:08", "text": "It's in the education space." }, { "end_time": "34:11", "start_time": "34:09", "text": "More on that some other time." }, { "end_time": "34:14", "start_time": "34:11", "text": "Wanna come back to, you and your process of mentoring." }, { "end_time": "34:16", "start_time": "34:14", "text": "I'm not the only person you've mentored." }, { "end_time": "34:19", "start_time": "34:16", "text": "Dude, like a mentee, like someone who you mentor, what do you look for?" }, { "end_time": "34:21", "start_time": "34:19", "text": "Do you look for some kind of traits?" }, { "end_time": "34:25", "start_time": "34:21", "text": "But, like, I'll put my time and effort into this person if he has these things." }, { "end_time": "34:29", "start_time": "34:26", "text": "Some spark, you know, couple of things." }, { "end_time": "34:31", "start_time": "34:29", "text": "Dedication and discipline is must." }, { "end_time": "34:38", "start_time": "34:32", "text": "See, if I am giving you my time and if not respecting what I'm saying, I'm gonna say thank you and be friends." }, { "end_time": "34:47", "start_time": "34:39", "text": "But if if you show that sign that, okay, whatever instructions or whatever talks that we had and and you're implementing things towards it." }, { "end_time": "34:49", "start_time": "34:47", "text": "Even if I see 1% of it, then I'll put my time." }, { "end_time": "34:49", "start_time": "34:49", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "34:57", "start_time": "34:49", "text": "So anyone, like, too many people, today, text me and all, on Instagram, on Facebook also saying that I'm doing this startup." }, { "end_time": "34:58", "start_time": "34:57", "text": "Can you help me and all?" }, { "end_time": "35:02", "start_time": "34:58", "text": "You need to be very, very prepared and do your homework before reaching out to anyone." }, { "end_time": "35:05", "start_time": "35:02", "text": "Like, for example, let us say, if anyone has a startup." }, { "end_time": "35:07", "start_time": "35:05", "text": "Let's say, Mangan Entertainment, for example." }, { "end_time": "35:11", "start_time": "35:07", "text": "Today, whatever, you know, business we are doing and where we are or whatever." }, { "end_time": "35:14", "start_time": "35:12", "text": "If we have to go let's take an ideal situation." }, { "end_time": "35:25", "start_time": "35:14", "text": "If we have to go to, investor an investor that say that, sir, please invest, these many lakhs or these many crores in our business, we need to go with a lot of homework done." }, { "end_time": "35:25", "start_time": "35:25", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "35:29", "start_time": "35:25", "text": "That who we are, where we are, who are our competitors, market analysis." }, { "end_time": "35:34", "start_time": "35:29", "text": "There must be there are a lot of data points that we need to prepare ourself and go, and then then only they will give you money." }, { "end_time": "35:34", "start_time": "35:34", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "36:14", "start_time": "35:34", "text": "Because they will give you money or time, after you show some, so that's what I want that you should prepare in anything like for example, even if you're going to a subject teacher to ask some doubts make sure that you have the basic yeah clear I I feel strongly that you know it's not necessary to know 100% about the industry wanna take part in but you should have that curiosity and that little basics ABC of that industry exactly so so till the time you've practice that don't make it a content and put it out like I cannot, like, like, now we are in such relation that, you know, we, we you ask me strongly on what kind of content you're putting." }, { "end_time": "36:24", "start_time": "36:14", "text": "So I now have that liberty to tell you wherein and it's been in the past also, that you've made some content and I've strongly rejected it saying that don't put it out." }, { "end_time": "36:24", "start_time": "36:24", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "36:26", "start_time": "36:24", "text": "Because we've not done it ourselves." }, { "end_time": "36:27", "start_time": "36:26", "text": "You've not done it yourself." }, { "end_time": "36:28", "start_time": "36:27", "text": "Then how can you put it out?" }, { "end_time": "36:31", "start_time": "36:28", "text": "Like, I I cannot allow you to talk about Kriya Yoga." }, { "end_time": "36:32", "start_time": "36:32", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "36:33", "start_time": "36:32", "text": "I will not talk about it." }, { "end_time": "36:34", "start_time": "36:34", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "36:39", "start_time": "36:34", "text": "Even though I know the basics, but I have not practiced it myself, like, to that level that I can talk of." }, { "end_time": "36:40", "start_time": "36:39", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "36:42", "start_time": "36:40", "text": "Then it's always great to listen to people who've done it." }, { "end_time": "36:43", "start_time": "36:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:43", "start_time": "36:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:45", "start_time": "36:43", "text": "The books read the books of the people who've done it." }, { "end_time": "36:46", "start_time": "36:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:46", "start_time": "36:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:46", "start_time": "36:46", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "36:47", "start_time": "36:46", "text": "So the concept is like that." }, { "end_time": "36:48", "start_time": "36:47", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "36:53", "start_time": "36:48", "text": "Dude, why do you say that each YouTuber who exist you say this a lot." }, { "end_time": "36:59", "start_time": "36:53", "text": "You say that almost any YouTuber above 1,000,000 subs or so right now is capable of creating a 100 or 500 crore company." }, { "end_time": "37:02", "start_time": "36:59", "text": "So from, like, a startup perspective, what are you seeing as a mentor?" }, { "end_time": "37:11", "start_time": "37:02", "text": "See, one beautiful thing is that our nation is a nation of possibility, and our nation is a little emotional, cultural nation." }, { "end_time": "37:12", "start_time": "37:11", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "37:12", "start_time": "37:12", "text": "It's still been." }, { "end_time": "37:16", "start_time": "37:12", "text": "I mean, it always will be because our our roots have been like that." }, { "end_time": "37:21", "start_time": "37:17", "text": "So why I say that is if you have a 1,000,000 subscriber, that means 10 lakh." }, { "end_time": "37:21", "start_time": "37:21", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "37:23", "start_time": "37:22", "text": "1000000 is 10 lakh." }, { "end_time": "37:24", "start_time": "37:23", "text": "10 lakh people with you." }, { "end_time": "37:26", "start_time": "37:24", "text": "That means you have 10 lakh people backing you." }, { "end_time": "37:28", "start_time": "37:26", "text": "Imagine that's this rupees have to." }, { "end_time": "37:46", "start_time": "37:29", "text": "You need to create that something which can give you that 10.10 rupees yeah yeah so that you can make your wealth at the same time give back to give back some part and like how you are giving back today like how entertainment and is giving back is by designing something for, you know, kids Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "37:49", "start_time": "37:46", "text": "And giving it I don't know it will be free or it will be chargeable or whatever." }, { "end_time": "37:51", "start_time": "37:49", "text": "But you spoke to Radha Krishna, sir." }, { "end_time": "37:53", "start_time": "37:51", "text": "You spoke to, sir." }, { "end_time": "37:55", "start_time": "37:53", "text": "And you spoke about this idea you had in your head." }, { "end_time": "37:57", "start_time": "37:55", "text": "And they approved, and then you brought to me." }, { "end_time": "37:58", "start_time": "37:57", "text": "And then we discussed and we said, yeah, go ahead." }, { "end_time": "37:59", "start_time": "37:58", "text": "Do it." }, { "end_time": "37:59", "start_time": "37:59", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "38:00", "start_time": "37:59", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "38:01", "start_time": "38:00", "text": "So it's like that." }, { "end_time": "38:03", "start_time": "38:01", "text": "So everyone has is capable." }, { "end_time": "38:06", "start_time": "38:03", "text": "And I'm and I'm seeing also couple of YouTubers." }, { "end_time": "38:07", "start_time": "38:06", "text": "They've all already started." }, { "end_time": "38:10", "start_time": "38:07", "text": "Someone is, selling, T shirts online." }, { "end_time": "38:11", "start_time": "38:10", "text": "Someone is selling something." }, { "end_time": "38:12", "start_time": "38:11", "text": "Someone is designing." }, { "end_time": "38:17", "start_time": "38:13", "text": "I met a very interesting YouTuber, regional YouTuber in Delhi." }, { "end_time": "38:18", "start_time": "38:17", "text": "Regional from?" }, { "end_time": "38:19", "start_time": "38:18", "text": "He's from Delhi only." }, { "end_time": "38:21", "start_time": "38:19", "text": "I'm talking about Mahatma ji Technical." }, { "end_time": "38:21", "start_time": "38:21", "text": "Oh." }, { "end_time": "38:22", "start_time": "38:21", "text": "You should meet him." }, { "end_time": "38:23", "start_time": "38:22", "text": "Very, very nice guy." }, { "end_time": "38:23", "start_time": "38:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "38:23", "start_time": "38:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "38:28", "start_time": "38:23", "text": "So he's designing courses, Abhinav, Abhi Viral that who we know." }, { "end_time": "38:31", "start_time": "38:28", "text": "You know, he write writes rap and all those motivation." }, { "end_time": "38:33", "start_time": "38:31", "text": "He has some online courses that he does." }, { "end_time": "38:36", "start_time": "38:33", "text": "So these guys have been doing not like yesterday." }, { "end_time": "38:37", "start_time": "38:36", "text": "They've been doing for last 3, 4 years." }, { "end_time": "38:39", "start_time": "38:37", "text": "They've build a parallel business." }, { "end_time": "38:39", "start_time": "38:39", "text": "What?" }, { "end_time": "38:41", "start_time": "38:39", "text": "So using YouTube as a base." }, { "end_time": "38:45", "start_time": "38:41", "text": "I mean, even, Nick, BUNIC, he is doing something entrepreneurial." }, { "end_time": "38:49", "start_time": "38:45", "text": "He always talks to, Viraj about, starting some new businesses and all that." }, { "end_time": "38:58", "start_time": "38:49", "text": "So obviously, see, imagine today, an asset that you have is you don't have to spend on marketing." }, { "end_time": "39:00", "start_time": "38:58", "text": "You will just have to make a video and put it out Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "39:01", "start_time": "39:00", "text": "Subtly." }, { "end_time": "39:01", "start_time": "39:01", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "39:03", "start_time": "39:01", "text": "And people will end." }, { "end_time": "39:22", "start_time": "39:04", "text": "Forget about hardcore marketing because you've been too loyal to your fans you've been too loyal to people who subscribe they will believe in what you're giving them and they will say Like, for example, let's say let's take name." }, { "end_time": "39:27", "start_time": "39:22", "text": "I mean, tomorrow, Prajakta or Bhuvan or there are too many other YouTube, but I'm not but too many." }, { "end_time": "39:31", "start_time": "39:27", "text": "Ashish Chanchlani for that matter, very inspiring that his entire family does it." }, { "end_time": "39:32", "start_time": "39:31", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "39:33", "start_time": "39:32", "text": "They are all on YouTube and Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "39:44", "start_time": "39:34", "text": "If they, try and launch something as a product and they want to sell, they will sell it very easily than someone who starts a product from scratch because he has to go and market and all." }, { "end_time": "39:45", "start_time": "39:44", "text": "You have a market ready." }, { "end_time": "39:47", "start_time": "39:45", "text": "You have a you have a platform ready." }, { "end_time": "39:47", "start_time": "39:47", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "39:52", "start_time": "39:47", "text": "So that's the reason I say this that you have all potential, but it's about how much hard work you can do." }, { "end_time": "39:55", "start_time": "39:52", "text": "But it's also very difficult to go from being a YouTuber to being an entrepreneur." }, { "end_time": "39:55", "start_time": "39:55", "text": "It is." }, { "end_time": "39:57", "start_time": "39:55", "text": "In the world of YouTube, there's too much glamour." }, { "end_time": "39:57", "start_time": "39:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "39:59", "start_time": "39:57", "text": "There's too much self obsession." }, { "end_time": "40:03", "start_time": "39:59", "text": "There's too much, give me more negative aspects of it from your own eyes." }, { "end_time": "40:10", "start_time": "40:03", "text": "See, one thing which, comes along, is a bubble of being celebrity." }, { "end_time": "40:10", "start_time": "40:10", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "40:12", "start_time": "40:11", "text": "I always tell, people." }, { "end_time": "40:14", "start_time": "40:12", "text": "Like I tell you, I I think I sometimes very hard I'm very hard on you when I say things." }, { "end_time": "40:17", "start_time": "40:14", "text": "I say that how many people subscribe, on you, and you will say that, okay, total of 2,300,000." }, { "end_time": "40:19", "start_time": "40:17", "text": "I said convert it to lakhs." }, { "end_time": "40:20", "start_time": "40:19", "text": "You will say, job is luck." }, { "end_time": "40:31", "start_time": "40:26", "text": "I said, now compare the population we have in the country, and it's a 130, 135 crore." }, { "end_time": "40:33", "start_time": "40:31", "text": "I said, now calculate the percentage." }, { "end_time": "40:35", "start_time": "40:33", "text": "Now you tell tell yourself, are you a celebrity?" }, { "end_time": "40:35", "start_time": "40:35", "text": "How?" }, { "end_time": "40:40", "start_time": "40:36", "text": "You know, if you fall sick tomorrow, will people pray and do for you?" }, { "end_time": "40:40", "start_time": "40:40", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "40:41", "start_time": "40:40", "text": "You're not a celebrity." }, { "end_time": "40:43", "start_time": "40:42", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "40:50", "start_time": "40:43", "text": "You are in a bubble of being a celebrity and it's I mean, people who take it positively, you've seen them prosper." }, { "end_time": "40:52", "start_time": "40:50", "text": "People who just pass it are there." }, { "end_time": "40:52", "start_time": "40:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "40:53", "start_time": "40:52", "text": "Bro, yeah." }, { "end_time": "40:55", "start_time": "40:53", "text": "That's what we've seen YouTube was go down." }, { "end_time": "40:56", "start_time": "40:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "40:57", "start_time": "40:56", "text": "We've seen big companies go down." }, { "end_time": "40:58", "start_time": "40:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "41:04", "start_time": "40:58", "text": "I know that when we take you for a lot of YouTube parties, you actually point people to me and say that that person's good." }, { "end_time": "41:06", "start_time": "41:04", "text": "That person I'm a little afraid for." }, { "end_time": "41:06", "start_time": "41:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "41:10", "start_time": "41:06", "text": "So when you're talking about the people you're afraid for, what are you seeing them doing wrong?" }, { "end_time": "41:32", "start_time": "41:10", "text": "You know there is no rocket science the behavior if you observe people the kind of behavior they have the way they shake hands the way they meet people greet people it all gives you be behavioral traits right and it is it is all about common sense and yes because of some spiritual advancements, I can, like, seek a couple of things and, you know, which You have better intuition." }, { "end_time": "41:32", "start_time": "41:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "41:34", "start_time": "41:32", "text": "And and which is not to be misused." }, { "end_time": "41:34", "start_time": "41:34", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "41:41", "start_time": "41:34", "text": "I always tell you, like, you keep sending me pictures and you say, and I tell you that, you know, this is not really correct." }, { "end_time": "41:42", "start_time": "41:41", "text": "We should not do this." }, { "end_time": "41:44", "start_time": "41:42", "text": "And and and when required, we do it also." }, { "end_time": "41:46", "start_time": "41:44", "text": "We're in the talent management business." }, { "end_time": "41:48", "start_time": "41:47", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "41:48", "start_time": "41:48", "text": "So yeah." }, { "end_time": "41:50", "start_time": "41:49", "text": "So so yeah." }, { "end_time": "41:52", "start_time": "41:50", "text": "All that things, you know." }, { "end_time": "41:58", "start_time": "41:52", "text": "And and it's always, by God's grace, it is always been correct of whoever we've so now this is not judging." }, { "end_time": "42:00", "start_time": "41:58", "text": "This is just understanding people Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:01", "start_time": "42:00", "text": "Who they are." }, { "end_time": "42:03", "start_time": "42:01", "text": "Are we are we going to invest time with them or not?" }, { "end_time": "42:09", "start_time": "42:03", "text": "Are we going to are they open enough to take take some submissions of thought and change few things to, you know, grow their career." }, { "end_time": "42:10", "start_time": "42:09", "text": "The next level." }, { "end_time": "42:10", "start_time": "42:10", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "42:15", "start_time": "42:10", "text": "A lot of female YouTubers who you made me speak to, and I've said couple of things, and I've done it." }, { "end_time": "42:16", "start_time": "42:15", "text": "And they're feeling good about it." }, { "end_time": "42:16", "start_time": "42:16", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "42:18", "start_time": "42:16", "text": "And there's been too many things have been technical also." }, { "end_time": "42:18", "start_time": "42:18", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:22", "start_time": "42:18", "text": "And, in couple of cases, team at Joe Stocks has also helped them." }, { "end_time": "42:24", "start_time": "42:22", "text": "Like, I've taken people to offices." }, { "end_time": "42:29", "start_time": "42:24", "text": "And, Harsh, who is a crazy guy in our office, has helped them, like, read their analytics and tell them and all." }, { "end_time": "42:34", "start_time": "42:29", "text": "So, yeah, it's it's both technical advancement plus what you can do on personality." }, { "end_time": "42:34", "start_time": "42:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:35", "start_time": "42:34", "text": "So all that." }, { "end_time": "42:35", "start_time": "42:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:35", "start_time": "42:35", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "42:39", "start_time": "42:35", "text": "But now coming back to the story which we've gone away from a lot, but it's cool." }, { "end_time": "42:40", "start_time": "42:39", "text": "That's the nature of a podcast." }, { "end_time": "42:46", "start_time": "42:41", "text": "Dude, you know, you kind of told me to cut off one negative element at a time, which is usually what I do as a fitness coach." }, { "end_time": "42:48", "start_time": "42:46", "text": "I tell people don't take up a diet." }, { "end_time": "42:50", "start_time": "42:48", "text": "Instead of just cut a one negative thing from your diet." }, { "end_time": "42:51", "start_time": "42:50", "text": "I remember that." }, { "end_time": "42:52", "start_time": "42:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:56", "start_time": "42:52", "text": "So, dude, like, why you first told me, I think, alcohol." }, { "end_time": "42:59", "start_time": "42:56", "text": "Alcohol is the first thing you can do when you easy to Yeah." }, { "end_time": "42:59", "start_time": "42:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "43:03", "start_time": "42:59", "text": "Alcohol, you know, once you leave it also, you feel like actually your leash has come off your neck." }, { "end_time": "43:04", "start_time": "43:03", "text": "Once you leave it for a while Yeah." }, { "end_time": "43:06", "start_time": "43:05", "text": "Even leave social drinking." }, { "end_time": "43:07", "start_time": "43:06", "text": "Just completely don't touch that shit." }, { "end_time": "43:08", "start_time": "43:07", "text": "That's what I believe in now." }, { "end_time": "43:12", "start_time": "43:08", "text": "And this is something you'll only understand once you come out of alcohol coming from beer biceps." }, { "end_time": "43:16", "start_time": "43:12", "text": "I literally named this channel with the intention of telling people, you know what?" }, { "end_time": "43:18", "start_time": "43:16", "text": "It's okay to drink, and it's okay to drink beer." }, { "end_time": "43:23", "start_time": "43:18", "text": "And that was me being, like, a little rebellious and you know, a lot of anger in my life at that point." }, { "end_time": "43:29", "start_time": "43:24", "text": "Shame that that the name that came out of that angry face was beer bicep, which has given me my career today." }, { "end_time": "43:33", "start_time": "43:30", "text": "But, anyway, now I tell people that as much as you can, stay away from alcohol." }, { "end_time": "43:34", "start_time": "43:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "43:35", "start_time": "43:34", "text": "It's not everyone's cup of tea again." }, { "end_time": "43:38", "start_time": "43:35", "text": "If you want to drink, if you're not ready to give up, don't." }, { "end_time": "43:38", "start_time": "43:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "43:46", "start_time": "43:38", "text": "But some days after heavy drinking session, when you get up with a hangover, one voice inside your head might tell you that, dude, maybe this isn't built for you." }, { "end_time": "43:47", "start_time": "43:46", "text": "Listen to that voice." }, { "end_time": "43:48", "start_time": "43:48", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "43:49", "start_time": "43:48", "text": "And please don't binge drink." }, { "end_time": "43:49", "start_time": "43:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "43:50", "start_time": "43:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "43:51", "start_time": "43:50", "text": "Don't give in to it again." }, { "end_time": "43:56", "start_time": "43:51", "text": "If your friend group drinks a lot, drinks to unhealthy levels, stop hanging out with them." }, { "end_time": "43:56", "start_time": "43:56", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "43:58", "start_time": "43:56", "text": "That's what I strongly believe in." }, { "end_time": "43:59", "start_time": "43:58", "text": "So alcohol was the first thing." }, { "end_time": "44:09", "start_time": "43:59", "text": "You are So I think, you know, what happened at that moment I remember that moment when I told you that, bro, you should consider, you know, giving up alcohol." }, { "end_time": "44:12", "start_time": "44:11", "text": "You know what I did?" }, { "end_time": "44:16", "start_time": "44:12", "text": "I looked into you, and you were thinking it already." }, { "end_time": "44:16", "start_time": "44:16", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "44:18", "start_time": "44:16", "text": "And I just said that." }, { "end_time": "44:20", "start_time": "44:20", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "44:22", "start_time": "44:20", "text": "So that's what happened." }, { "end_time": "44:31", "start_time": "44:22", "text": "So I think it was a right moment of both of us meeting, and you were actually thinking you had somewhere understood that you're Yeah." }, { "end_time": "44:31", "start_time": "44:31", "text": "Relationship." }, { "end_time": "44:35", "start_time": "44:35", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "44:36", "start_time": "44:35", "text": "You already were feeling that." }, { "end_time": "44:38", "start_time": "44:36", "text": "I just ignited that thought and Yeah." }, { "end_time": "44:41", "start_time": "44:38", "text": "And as I said, discipline dedication Yeah." }, { "end_time": "44:42", "start_time": "44:41", "text": "And you follow." }, { "end_time": "44:42", "start_time": "44:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "44:43", "start_time": "44:42", "text": "Dude, that's that's how It's your win." }, { "end_time": "44:45", "start_time": "44:43", "text": "I have nothing to contribute." }, { "end_time": "44:48", "start_time": "44:45", "text": "But I think in a way you kind of trained me through that process." }, { "end_time": "44:48", "start_time": "44:48", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "44:52", "start_time": "44:49", "text": "I know that you were going to load a lot more work into my life Yes." }, { "end_time": "44:53", "start_time": "44:53", "text": "Eventually." }, { "end_time": "44:53", "start_time": "44:53", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "44:54", "start_time": "44:53", "text": "And this is the first step in that Yeah." }, { "end_time": "44:57", "start_time": "44:54", "text": "That is the phase where I said that why don't you write a book?" }, { "end_time": "44:57", "start_time": "44:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "44:58", "start_time": "44:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "44:58", "start_time": "44:58", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "44:59", "start_time": "44:58", "text": "And now the book is written." }, { "end_time": "45:00", "start_time": "44:59", "text": "The book is written." }, { "end_time": "45:00", "start_time": "45:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:03", "start_time": "45:00", "text": "See, one phase I knew something was happening." }, { "end_time": "45:05", "start_time": "45:03", "text": "I said, why don't you start Hindi?" }, { "end_time": "45:08", "start_time": "45:05", "text": "And Hindi is 1,000,000 plus family now." }, { "end_time": "45:08", "start_time": "45:08", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:10", "start_time": "45:08", "text": "And this is gonna probably Yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:12", "start_time": "45:10", "text": "You know, surpass the English channel also soon." }, { "end_time": "45:14", "start_time": "45:13", "text": "Next, what about the weed?" }, { "end_time": "45:20", "start_time": "45:15", "text": "Like, that was something which is a little more difficult for me to leave compared to alcohol because alcohol is horrible for your health." }, { "end_time": "45:20", "start_time": "45:20", "text": "It makes you fat." }, { "end_time": "45:21", "start_time": "45:21", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:22", "start_time": "45:21", "text": "Even weed does." }, { "end_time": "45:22", "start_time": "45:22", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "45:25", "start_time": "45:22", "text": "But weed doesn't weed has lesser bad effects than alcohol." }, { "end_time": "45:26", "start_time": "45:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:28", "start_time": "45:26", "text": "And that's how I used to justify it to myself." }, { "end_time": "45:29", "start_time": "45:28", "text": "I was like, you to nature." }, { "end_time": "45:32", "start_time": "45:29", "text": "It's because weed is branded that way." }, { "end_time": "45:32", "start_time": "45:32", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "45:35", "start_time": "45:32", "text": "Weed has been branded like, this is cool thing." }, { "end_time": "45:36", "start_time": "45:35", "text": "This is calm thing." }, { "end_time": "45:38", "start_time": "45:36", "text": "This is people who are Thinkers." }, { "end_time": "45:42", "start_time": "45:38", "text": "Thinkers and people who are, like, happy in life and people who are successful in life do." }, { "end_time": "45:43", "start_time": "45:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:47", "start_time": "45:43", "text": "That's what I think I think a big reason I got so deep into it was all this American YouTube content." }, { "end_time": "45:48", "start_time": "45:47", "text": "I used to see where this would be like, yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:48", "start_time": "45:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:49", "start_time": "45:48", "text": "Snoop Dogg does it." }, { "end_time": "45:50", "start_time": "45:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "45:51", "start_time": "45:50", "text": "Obama did it." }, { "end_time": "45:52", "start_time": "45:51", "text": "I'm like, you know, Steve Jobs did it." }, { "end_time": "45:53", "start_time": "45:52", "text": "I don't know if Obama did it." }, { "end_time": "45:54", "start_time": "45:53", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "45:54", "start_time": "45:54", "text": "Obama did it." }, { "end_time": "45:54", "start_time": "45:54", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "45:55", "start_time": "45:54", "text": "I don't know that." }, { "end_time": "46:02", "start_time": "45:55", "text": "So So a lot of it was a branding that Steve Steve Jobs, I know and when he came to India then and when he went back Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:06", "start_time": "46:02", "text": "Then I mean even Mark Zuckerberg when he came back to India, he became more spiritual." }, { "end_time": "46:08", "start_time": "46:06", "text": "I don't know if he did smoke or not." }, { "end_time": "46:09", "start_time": "46:08", "text": "I don't know it." }, { "end_time": "46:11", "start_time": "46:09", "text": "So it's, wrong to say the fact." }, { "end_time": "46:11", "start_time": "46:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:16", "start_time": "46:11", "text": "But I think I think the at that phase of my life, I was definitely very influenced by all the video content I saw." }, { "end_time": "46:19", "start_time": "46:16", "text": "Also, the friend I hang out with were big weed smokers." }, { "end_time": "46:19", "start_time": "46:19", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "46:24", "start_time": "46:19", "text": "And if you hang out with them, I think they'd only talk about weed, and they'd only talk about hash." }, { "end_time": "46:25", "start_time": "46:24", "text": "They'd also talk about very intelligent shit." }, { "end_time": "46:27", "start_time": "46:25", "text": "So the conversations were very intelligent." }, { "end_time": "46:28", "start_time": "46:27", "text": "Weed is amazing." }, { "end_time": "46:29", "start_time": "46:28", "text": "Very intelligent." }, { "end_time": "46:30", "start_time": "46:29", "text": "Weed is amazing." }, { "end_time": "46:30", "start_time": "46:30", "text": "So I was like, yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:30", "start_time": "46:30", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "46:30", "start_time": "46:30", "text": "Cool." }, { "end_time": "46:31", "start_time": "46:30", "text": "Cool." }, { "end_time": "46:31", "start_time": "46:31", "text": "Cool." }, { "end_time": "46:31", "start_time": "46:31", "text": "Cool." }, { "end_time": "46:31", "start_time": "46:31", "text": "Cool." }, { "end_time": "46:36", "start_time": "46:31", "text": "And I got sucked into that tangent despite being a YouTuber with, like, a subscription base and all." }, { "end_time": "46:38", "start_time": "46:36", "text": "Why don't you answer this question now?" }, { "end_time": "46:38", "start_time": "46:38", "text": "What?" }, { "end_time": "46:49", "start_time": "46:38", "text": "So last, last one and a half year, you've been intense meditation and yoga, and you enrolled yourself to a school which is guiding which has, you know, 500 years of research, in yoga and and spirituality." }, { "end_time": "46:52", "start_time": "46:50", "text": "And so what what did change for you?" }, { "end_time": "46:53", "start_time": "46:52", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "46:55", "start_time": "46:53", "text": "So I think that school is actually one of the big reasons I stayed." }, { "end_time": "46:57", "start_time": "46:55", "text": "I kept staying away from weed." }, { "end_time": "46:59", "start_time": "46:57", "text": "Like, I have not touched it in a long time." }, { "end_time": "47:04", "start_time": "46:59", "text": "And, I'm not afraid to admit now that I did definitely had a problem back then." }, { "end_time": "47:04", "start_time": "47:04", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "47:07", "start_time": "47:04", "text": "But now there's 2 things yoga does to you." }, { "end_time": "47:14", "start_time": "47:07", "text": "1 is that it will give you that escapism that you are desperately looking for in your correct meditation sessions." }, { "end_time": "47:17", "start_time": "47:15", "text": "You meditate for a half an hour, 45 minutes." }, { "end_time": "47:28", "start_time": "47:17", "text": "You go to yoga school, you learn the technical way of doing meditations where you keep your back straight, you breathe in a certain pattern and you are actually able to stimulate the good feels inside it Yes." }, { "end_time": "47:29", "start_time": "47:28", "text": "Without relying on an external substance." }, { "end_time": "47:31", "start_time": "47:30", "text": "So even talking about it makes you feel good." }, { "end_time": "47:32", "start_time": "47:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:36", "start_time": "47:32", "text": "When when you open your eyes after the meditation session, you're like, woah, colors are more saturated right now." }, { "end_time": "47:38", "start_time": "47:36", "text": "The world is better now." }, { "end_time": "47:40", "start_time": "47:38", "text": "The wind feels nicer now." }, { "end_time": "47:40", "start_time": "47:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:41", "start_time": "47:40", "text": "This feels just like being stoned Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:43", "start_time": "47:41", "text": "Without having to put an external substance to it." }, { "end_time": "47:44", "start_time": "47:43", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "47:45", "start_time": "47:44", "text": "This is what I wanted to know from you." }, { "end_time": "47:47", "start_time": "47:45", "text": "That stoned word that you used right now." }, { "end_time": "47:50", "start_time": "47:47", "text": "But I'll I'll give you I'll give you the second aspect of it as well." }, { "end_time": "47:53", "start_time": "47:50", "text": "This is something interesting and this is not something everyone will understand." }, { "end_time": "47:54", "start_time": "47:53", "text": "But try wrapping your head around it." }, { "end_time": "47:55", "start_time": "47:54", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "47:55", "start_time": "47:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "47:58", "start_time": "47:56", "text": "Manish help me wherever I'm going wrong in this." }, { "end_time": "48:00", "start_time": "47:58", "text": "There's a concept of siddhis and yoga." }, { "end_time": "48:01", "start_time": "48:00", "text": "Now what are siddhis?" }, { "end_time": "48:06", "start_time": "48:02", "text": "Basically, they say you only use 10% of your waking mind." }, { "end_time": "48:10", "start_time": "48:06", "text": "Like, as in when you're awake and you're working, you're only using 10% of your brain." }, { "end_time": "48:14", "start_time": "48:10", "text": "But if you do yoga, you start unlocking the remaining 90% slowly." }, { "end_time": "48:14", "start_time": "48:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:15", "start_time": "48:14", "text": "And it's been scientifically proven." }, { "end_time": "48:16", "start_time": "48:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:16", "start_time": "48:16", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "48:21", "start_time": "48:16", "text": "So, I would advise everyone to go and watch a series on Netflix." }, { "end_time": "48:22", "start_time": "48:21", "text": "It's on brains." }, { "end_time": "48:24", "start_time": "48:23", "text": "I think it's called the brains." }, { "end_time": "48:35", "start_time": "48:25", "text": "And they have spoken that how may yoga and meditation actually helps you unlock, the endless possibilities of what mind can do." }, { "end_time": "48:37", "start_time": "48:35", "text": "And they have come to India and they have been surprised." }, { "end_time": "48:45", "start_time": "48:37", "text": "Scientists have come to India, and they have seen yogis who live without food, who drink water and survive." }, { "end_time": "48:48", "start_time": "48:45", "text": "There are some yogis who eat one time a day and function." }, { "end_time": "49:10", "start_time": "48:48", "text": "They walk in the chilliest mountains with just a robe and what just one on their body wherein you wearing thermal and what not so what is this yeah okay so that's what you that's what siddhi and sadhanas do to you coming back to siddhis for lack of a better word and for lack of better reference when the closest word in English to Siddis would be superpowers." }, { "end_time": "49:14", "start_time": "49:10", "text": "As in you can't you can't say laser." }, { "end_time": "49:14", "start_time": "49:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:14", "start_time": "49:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:14", "start_time": "49:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:16", "start_time": "49:14", "text": "It's not that curse." }, { "end_time": "49:19", "start_time": "49:17", "text": "But that is an eventual Siddis." }, { "end_time": "49:19", "start_time": "49:19", "text": "I mean Yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:25", "start_time": "49:19", "text": "But, coming back to basics siddhis on a human level, you become extremely calm." }, { "end_time": "49:26", "start_time": "49:25", "text": "That's a siddhi." }, { "end_time": "49:27", "start_time": "49:26", "text": "You stop getting a siddhi." }, { "end_time": "49:28", "start_time": "49:27", "text": "What siddhi means?" }, { "end_time": "49:29", "start_time": "49:28", "text": "Siddhi is an achievement." }, { "end_time": "49:30", "start_time": "49:30", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "49:32", "start_time": "49:31", "text": "Siddhi is achievement." }, { "end_time": "49:34", "start_time": "49:32", "text": "It's like getting from one level to another." }, { "end_time": "49:35", "start_time": "49:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:38", "start_time": "49:35", "text": "So that's being called being being wise." }, { "end_time": "49:39", "start_time": "49:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:40", "start_time": "49:39", "text": "So that's what it's called." }, { "end_time": "49:43", "start_time": "49:40", "text": "Radha Sarri explained it better in the other podcast." }, { "end_time": "49:43", "start_time": "49:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "49:52", "start_time": "49:43", "text": "In the long term, I just feel like these are one of those things that initially keeps you very motivated about sticking to your yoga process because you're like, wow." }, { "end_time": "49:53", "start_time": "49:52", "text": "What is happening to my world?" }, { "end_time": "49:55", "start_time": "49:53", "text": "Why am I able to see through people right now?" }, { "end_time": "49:59", "start_time": "49:55", "text": "Why am I able to understand that what this person is kind of thinking about?" }, { "end_time": "50:01", "start_time": "49:59", "text": "Why is why are all these colors more saturated?" }, { "end_time": "50:03", "start_time": "50:01", "text": "Why am I more at peace?" }, { "end_time": "50:04", "start_time": "50:03", "text": "So initially, yoga becomes that." }, { "end_time": "50:06", "start_time": "50:04", "text": "Then you educate yourself when you realize, hold on." }, { "end_time": "50:08", "start_time": "50:06", "text": "This is just the tip of the iceberg." }, { "end_time": "50:08", "start_time": "50:08", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "50:10", "start_time": "50:08", "text": "And there's a lot lot to it." }, { "end_time": "50:13", "start_time": "50:10", "text": "You should not be excited because of this small small things." }, { "end_time": "50:14", "start_time": "50:13", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "50:16", "start_time": "50:14", "text": "So this spiritual world is really funny also." }, { "end_time": "50:16", "start_time": "50:16", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "50:18", "start_time": "50:16", "text": "They they I keep telling you." }, { "end_time": "50:21", "start_time": "50:18", "text": "They throw a lot of tests on you." }, { "end_time": "50:32", "start_time": "50:21", "text": "They will make you see through a person or they will make you, understand, a person better or couple of things about gaze couple of things about the past or the present or maybe something that person is doing in life right now." }, { "end_time": "50:36", "start_time": "50:33", "text": "But if you start feeding on these things, you will lose." }, { "end_time": "50:36", "start_time": "50:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "50:36", "start_time": "50:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "50:43", "start_time": "50:36", "text": "That's the reason I always say that we should not always see picture then get into people's mind and you know Yeah." }, { "end_time": "50:44", "start_time": "50:43", "text": "But it is one of these." }, { "end_time": "50:46", "start_time": "50:44", "text": "Talk to anyone who's on yoga in the long term." }, { "end_time": "50:49", "start_time": "50:46", "text": "They'll tell you that they're a very good, judge, not judging." }, { "end_time": "50:50", "start_time": "50:49", "text": "Not judge." }, { "end_time": "50:51", "start_time": "50:50", "text": "It is observation." }, { "end_time": "50:51", "start_time": "50:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "50:52", "start_time": "50:51", "text": "They're very good observation Yeah." }, { "end_time": "50:54", "start_time": "50:53", "text": "Of other people." }, { "end_time": "50:54", "start_time": "50:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "50:55", "start_time": "50:54", "text": "Because they're calm inside." }, { "end_time": "50:59", "start_time": "50:55", "text": "And I'll tell you why I'm talking about this in the whole weed section because I started seeing all these siddhis around me." }, { "end_time": "51:00", "start_time": "50:59", "text": "My head was calm." }, { "end_time": "51:01", "start_time": "51:00", "text": "I was way more creative." }, { "end_time": "51:04", "start_time": "51:02", "text": "Business was growing because of my creative processes." }, { "end_time": "51:10", "start_time": "51:05", "text": "And even if once in a while I again got little stoned, it would go away for 2, 3 weeks." }, { "end_time": "51:11", "start_time": "51:10", "text": "The peace would go away for 2, 3 weeks." }, { "end_time": "51:12", "start_time": "51:11", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "51:13", "start_time": "51:12", "text": "The calm would go away." }, { "end_time": "51:13", "start_time": "51:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "51:15", "start_time": "51:13", "text": "And I'd just be like, no, wait." }, { "end_time": "51:16", "start_time": "51:15", "text": "I want that again." }, { "end_time": "51:16", "start_time": "51:16", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "51:17", "start_time": "51:16", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "51:21", "start_time": "51:17", "text": "I I remember, I watched a Sadhguru's video and it made a lot of sense to me." }, { "end_time": "51:29", "start_time": "51:21", "text": "Someone asked him a question saying that he asked a question saying what do you want, to ultimately achieve?" }, { "end_time": "51:31", "start_time": "51:29", "text": "And that person said peace." }, { "end_time": "51:35", "start_time": "51:32", "text": "Then he laughed and he said, peace is not something that should be a goal." }, { "end_time": "51:36", "start_time": "51:35", "text": "Peace should be a requirement." }, { "end_time": "51:37", "start_time": "51:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "51:37", "start_time": "51:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "51:38", "start_time": "51:37", "text": "So same thing." }, { "end_time": "51:39", "start_time": "51:38", "text": "Good habit should be a requirement." }, { "end_time": "51:40", "start_time": "51:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "51:42", "start_time": "51:40", "text": "And I mean, you happiness is not a destination." }, { "end_time": "51:43", "start_time": "51:42", "text": "It's a journey." }, { "end_time": "51:43", "start_time": "51:43", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "51:44", "start_time": "51:44", "text": "Peace." }, { "end_time": "51:44", "start_time": "51:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "51:47", "start_time": "51:44", "text": "So, the peace became a journey." }, { "end_time": "51:47", "start_time": "51:47", "text": "I was like, no." }, { "end_time": "51:50", "start_time": "51:47", "text": "I'm not going to spoil this journey Yeah." }, { "end_time": "51:51", "start_time": "51:50", "text": "With that blob of weed." }, { "end_time": "51:51", "start_time": "51:51", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "51:52", "start_time": "51:51", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "51:55", "start_time": "51:52", "text": "So that that's kind of why I just let it go after a point." }, { "end_time": "51:56", "start_time": "51:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "51:58", "start_time": "51:56", "text": "And finally, coming down to non veg." }, { "end_time": "51:58", "start_time": "51:58", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "52:05", "start_time": "51:58", "text": "Now, keep in mind, I was a powerlifter gymmer, so I kind of needed the non veg to really maintain my musculature." }, { "end_time": "52:07", "start_time": "52:05", "text": "And it's definitely reduced since I've become vegetarian." }, { "end_time": "52:16", "start_time": "52:08", "text": "But the advantages that leaving non veg has given me can make up 110,000 times for losing a little bit of your musculature." }, { "end_time": "52:17", "start_time": "52:16", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "52:20", "start_time": "52:17", "text": "For example, I'm extremely cool in the head." }, { "end_time": "52:20", "start_time": "52:20", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "52:21", "start_time": "52:20", "text": "Like, you can't imagine." }, { "end_time": "52:24", "start_time": "52:21", "text": "I feel like someone's just taken all the anger out of me and thrown it away." }, { "end_time": "52:25", "start_time": "52:24", "text": "Obviously, it's also the meditation." }, { "end_time": "52:27", "start_time": "52:25", "text": "It's not like all vegetarians are cool in the head." }, { "end_time": "52:27", "start_time": "52:27", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "52:28", "start_time": "52:27", "text": "They are not." }, { "end_time": "52:30", "start_time": "52:28", "text": "Even I mean I mean, let me be very honest with you." }, { "end_time": "52:31", "start_time": "52:30", "text": "Even I get angry very Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:31", "start_time": "52:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:33", "start_time": "52:31", "text": "But but Yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:34", "start_time": "52:33", "text": "But it doesn't mean yeah." }, { "end_time": "52:36", "start_time": "52:34", "text": "My mental health is way better." }, { "end_time": "52:39", "start_time": "52:36", "text": "All the inflammations in my body, the injuries, the long term injuries have all vanished." }, { "end_time": "52:42", "start_time": "52:39", "text": "The tennis elbow, the wrist injuries, all that's gone." }, { "end_time": "52:42", "start_time": "52:42", "text": "See." }, { "end_time": "52:46", "start_time": "52:42", "text": "Again, there's science behind this, which we've spoken about in the Fit Tuber podcast in detail." }, { "end_time": "52:47", "start_time": "52:46", "text": "So go watch that." }, { "end_time": "52:48", "start_time": "52:47", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "52:53", "start_time": "52:48", "text": "But the point of leaving Meat and All for Me again was to get to the next level." }, { "end_time": "52:55", "start_time": "52:53", "text": "I have this whole concept of living my life like an athlete." }, { "end_time": "53:05", "start_time": "52:56", "text": "To be more specific, LeBron James, who has always maintained this thing in his life, about every season, he tries adding one skill to his skill set." }, { "end_time": "53:05", "start_time": "53:05", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "53:06", "start_time": "53:05", "text": "Which is Every off season." }, { "end_time": "53:06", "start_time": "53:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "53:09", "start_time": "53:07", "text": "So that he can become the ultimate basketball player on the ball." }, { "end_time": "53:13", "start_time": "53:09", "text": "And he's actually been able to achieve that now as, like, I think, 35 year old." }, { "end_time": "53:14", "start_time": "53:13", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "53:14", "start_time": "53:14", "text": "Okay?" }, { "end_time": "53:15", "start_time": "53:14", "text": "He's become the ultimate guy." }, { "end_time": "53:19", "start_time": "53:15", "text": "And even as a 35 year old, he's still considered one of the top players in the league." }, { "end_time": "53:22", "start_time": "53:19", "text": "And the lesson I take from here is I think he's competing with himself." }, { "end_time": "53:23", "start_time": "53:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "53:25", "start_time": "53:23", "text": "And that's that's what I try doing as well." }, { "end_time": "53:31", "start_time": "53:25", "text": "I can ask myself that, listen, if I want to take everything to the next level, if I wanna grow biceps even more, I wanna launch a Hindi channel." }, { "end_time": "53:32", "start_time": "53:31", "text": "After this, I wanna launch monk and Raymond." }, { "end_time": "53:37", "start_time": "53:32", "text": "After that, if I wanna launch an education start up, I have to change certain things in my own life." }, { "end_time": "53:37", "start_time": "53:37", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "53:39", "start_time": "53:37", "text": "I have to add more skill sets." }, { "end_time": "53:39", "start_time": "53:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "53:43", "start_time": "53:39", "text": "So my way of adding a skill set is work on yourself." }, { "end_time": "53:43", "start_time": "53:43", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "53:46", "start_time": "53:43", "text": "And at that phase in my life, the answer is obvious that leave meat." }, { "end_time": "53:50", "start_time": "53:47", "text": "Because meat, 1, will open up your channels for more advanced yoga." }, { "end_time": "53:52", "start_time": "53:51", "text": "2, it'll make you more calm." }, { "end_time": "53:53", "start_time": "53:52", "text": "3, who knows?" }, { "end_time": "53:56", "start_time": "53:53", "text": "Let's see what kind of change this brings in my life or other changes." }, { "end_time": "53:58", "start_time": "53:56", "text": "And this is the best decision I've made in my life." }, { "end_time": "53:58", "start_time": "53:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "54:04", "start_time": "53:58", "text": "I mean, too many people watching or listening to this would think hard work or meets." }, { "end_time": "54:08", "start_time": "54:05", "text": "So again, it's like." }, { "end_time": "54:10", "start_time": "54:10", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "54:11", "start_time": "54:10", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "54:13", "start_time": "54:11", "text": "So, you know, actually, there is no way of proving." }, { "end_time": "54:23", "start_time": "54:17", "text": "But, you know, they have never gone back." }, { "end_time": "54:23", "start_time": "54:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "54:27", "start_time": "54:23", "text": "I know I know too many people, like, too many people in our friends in Bollywood and all." }, { "end_time": "54:30", "start_time": "54:27", "text": "I know them that they never been gone back." }, { "end_time": "54:32", "start_time": "54:30", "text": "I mean, too many of them have become vegan, today." }, { "end_time": "54:33", "start_time": "54:32", "text": "They also leave daily." }, { "end_time": "54:34", "start_time": "54:33", "text": "I totally get that." }, { "end_time": "54:37", "start_time": "54:34", "text": "So so it's it's magical when you experience it." }, { "end_time": "54:37", "start_time": "54:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "54:44", "start_time": "54:37", "text": "And and the reason we've spoken so much about alcohol, weed, meat is because that's also part of the big mentoring that Manish gave me." }, { "end_time": "54:46", "start_time": "54:44", "text": "He told me introduce yoga into your life." }, { "end_time": "54:51", "start_time": "54:46", "text": "He told me, okay, do these steps next because this will improve your work efficiency." }, { "end_time": "54:57", "start_time": "54:51", "text": "And once your work efficiency improves, your dreams of, like, having 20,000 people working in an organization organization." }, { "end_time": "54:57", "start_time": "54:57", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "54:59", "start_time": "54:57", "text": "And, you know, building to that high degree of subscribers." }, { "end_time": "54:59", "start_time": "54:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "55:01", "start_time": "54:59", "text": "Not not high degree." }, { "end_time": "55:02", "start_time": "55:01", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "55:03", "start_time": "55:02", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "55:05", "start_time": "55:03", "text": "But but like that huge I don't get half of the things you say." }, { "end_time": "55:11", "start_time": "55:05", "text": "So I'm little dumb in that area." }, { "end_time": "55:12", "start_time": "55:11", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "55:15", "start_time": "55:12", "text": "But, dude, so thank you for introducing all these changes in my life." }, { "end_time": "55:21", "start_time": "55:15", "text": "I just wanna end the podcast on a note of, dude, what advice do you have for me now?" }, { "end_time": "55:24", "start_time": "55:21", "text": "When I've cut off all these things, what skill set should I add now?" }, { "end_time": "55:29", "start_time": "55:24", "text": "When you call me every day and you ask the same thing, now you're asking it, what do you call on air?" }, { "end_time": "55:32", "start_time": "55:30", "text": "So see, advice, I don't know." }, { "end_time": "55:35", "start_time": "55:32", "text": "But, it is, submission of thought." }, { "end_time": "55:46", "start_time": "55:35", "text": "Like, I always make it a submission of thought because it's your call to it or not, is, now, the time is to think very holistic." }, { "end_time": "55:55", "start_time": "55:47", "text": "So every decision that you take, in your life, Ranvir, am I I mean, just keep yourself in this thing that your decision is going to influence too many people's life." }, { "end_time": "56:00", "start_time": "55:56", "text": "So that decision has to be thought through and wisely taken." }, { "end_time": "56:06", "start_time": "56:00", "text": "At the same time, you need to be that entrepreneur that what, you know, that go getter and then drift taker and all." }, { "end_time": "56:09", "start_time": "56:07", "text": "But risk leh, helmet pein leh." }, { "end_time": "56:10", "start_time": "56:09", "text": "Is what I'm trying to say." }, { "end_time": "56:12", "start_time": "56:10", "text": "For which I have in my life." }, { "end_time": "56:12", "start_time": "56:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "56:15", "start_time": "56:12", "text": "You you can go and do your stunts, but please wear your gear." }, { "end_time": "56:15", "start_time": "56:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "56:18", "start_time": "56:15", "text": "Don't do it like, Yeah." }, { "end_time": "56:18", "start_time": "56:18", "text": "Your language." }, { "end_time": "56:19", "start_time": "56:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "56:23", "start_time": "56:19", "text": "Which which grew it which grew it till this point, but I even I feel that right now." }, { "end_time": "56:25", "start_time": "56:23", "text": "I'm in that mid twenties part of my life." }, { "end_time": "56:28", "start_time": "56:25", "text": "You know, when a footballer is young, he runs around a lot." }, { "end_time": "56:30", "start_time": "56:28", "text": "He's able to do, like, flying kicks or whatever." }, { "end_time": "56:32", "start_time": "56:30", "text": "And then in mid twenties injury." }, { "end_time": "56:34", "start_time": "56:33", "text": "Or or when you get older." }, { "end_time": "56:34", "start_time": "56:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "56:35", "start_time": "56:34", "text": "Then you play in the midfield." }, { "end_time": "56:36", "start_time": "56:35", "text": "You play at the back and you're like, okay." }, { "end_time": "56:38", "start_time": "56:36", "text": "Let my teammates run." }, { "end_time": "56:45", "start_time": "56:38", "text": "But the guy at the midfield, they actually, like, envision the game and they strategize it and they say, hi to ball." }, { "end_time": "56:47", "start_time": "56:45", "text": "That's that's exactly what I'm feeling in my life right now." }, { "end_time": "56:51", "start_time": "56:47", "text": "Like, I need to become assisting LeBron from scoring LeBron." }, { "end_time": "56:51", "start_time": "56:51", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "56:52", "start_time": "56:51", "text": "I mean, in your language." }, { "end_time": "56:53", "start_time": "56:52", "text": "I'm not captain." }, { "end_time": "56:54", "start_time": "56:53", "text": "That's cool." }, { "end_time": "56:57", "start_time": "56:54", "text": "Or let me just say captain Virat Kohli from Run Machine Virat Kohli." }, { "end_time": "56:57", "start_time": "56:57", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "56:57", "start_time": "56:57", "text": "Cool." }, { "end_time": "56:58", "start_time": "56:57", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "56:58", "start_time": "56:58", "text": "Makes sense." }, { "end_time": "56:59", "start_time": "56:58", "text": "I understand cricket." }, { "end_time": "57:00", "start_time": "56:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "57:02", "start_time": "57:00", "text": "So, just that, man." }, { "end_time": "57:08", "start_time": "57:02", "text": "What is your vision for Monk Entertainment and Be Your Biceps as, like, the main mentor that we have?" }, { "end_time": "57:13", "start_time": "57:08", "text": "So, any organization that I'm, you know, even, like, Ayush, I have been friends to Ayush." }, { "end_time": "57:15", "start_time": "57:13", "text": "I've been friends to, like, too many other people." }, { "end_time": "57:18", "start_time": "57:15", "text": "So I what I want them to do is grow ethically." }, { "end_time": "57:22", "start_time": "57:19", "text": "So monk entertainment, if you ask me, I want monk entertainment to grow ethically." }, { "end_time": "57:30", "start_time": "57:22", "text": "Though we are in a business where a lot of things happen and all that thing, but still, we might lose couple of pennies, but we'll we'll we'll we'll stand through our ethics." }, { "end_time": "57:32", "start_time": "57:30", "text": "We will not break the ethics." }, { "end_time": "57:33", "start_time": "57:32", "text": "We will not do those wrong things." }, { "end_time": "57:36", "start_time": "57:33", "text": "We will not do that tax cut jury or we'll not do that too many things." }, { "end_time": "57:40", "start_time": "57:36", "text": "So that's that's something I always keep talking to, you know." }, { "end_time": "57:42", "start_time": "57:40", "text": "So that is what one thing we will do." }, { "end_time": "57:43", "start_time": "57:42", "text": "Obviously, we are going to grow." }, { "end_time": "57:45", "start_time": "57:43", "text": "There is no doubt about it." }, { "end_time": "57:49", "start_time": "57:45", "text": "We have around 35 people I want to make this one of India's biggest companies." }, { "end_time": "57:52", "start_time": "57:49", "text": "There is no harm in, you know, aiming like that." }, { "end_time": "57:54", "start_time": "57:53", "text": "There always always should be a target." }, { "end_time": "57:57", "start_time": "57:54", "text": "But, yes, we're gonna take the hard way if required." }, { "end_time": "58:02", "start_time": "57:57", "text": "We we might not end up being, number 1, but we need to be number 1 in our hearts." }, { "end_time": "58:02", "start_time": "58:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "58:10", "start_time": "58:02", "text": "In the people who are working with us in their family members heart that okay, my kid or my brother or my sister is going to a very beautiful place to work." }, { "end_time": "58:11", "start_time": "58:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "58:13", "start_time": "58:11", "text": "That's that's what consciously we've always tried to set up." }, { "end_time": "58:13", "start_time": "58:13", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "58:13", "start_time": "58:13", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "58:15", "start_time": "58:13", "text": "Deep family culture." }, { "end_time": "58:15", "start_time": "58:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "58:16", "start_time": "58:15", "text": "Deep family culture in office." }, { "end_time": "58:19", "start_time": "58:16", "text": "And if one person grows, the whole family grows together." }, { "end_time": "58:19", "start_time": "58:19", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "58:19", "start_time": "58:19", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "58:24", "start_time": "58:19", "text": "And it is always always important to if, you know, family means it doesn't mean." }, { "end_time": "58:28", "start_time": "58:26", "text": "If someone is doing wrong Yeah." }, { "end_time": "58:32", "start_time": "58:28", "text": "Make them sit and make them realize that brother or sister, you're doing this wrong." }, { "end_time": "58:37", "start_time": "58:32", "text": "If you or if you bring change, it will help you." }, { "end_time": "58:37", "start_time": "58:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "58:39", "start_time": "58:37", "text": "And if not, then we have to cut off those people also." }, { "end_time": "58:41", "start_time": "58:39", "text": "It is very, very fair." }, { "end_time": "58:41", "start_time": "58:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "58:43", "start_time": "58:41", "text": "I know the if you have gangrene, you have to cut your leg." }, { "end_time": "58:44", "start_time": "58:43", "text": "As simple as that." }, { "end_time": "58:45", "start_time": "58:44", "text": "And what about biceps?" }, { "end_time": "58:46", "start_time": "58:46", "text": "Biceps." }, { "end_time": "58:56", "start_time": "58:49", "text": "Biceps is going to be so be I what I see biceps are on channels is these are going to be institutions." }, { "end_time": "58:58", "start_time": "58:56", "text": "They are they are not just mere YouTube channels." }, { "end_time": "58:59", "start_time": "58:58", "text": "They are institutions." }, { "end_time": "59:08", "start_time": "58:59", "text": "I mean and I am saying this again because I read I have read the comments that you get, and I've seen people react to you when they meet you." }, { "end_time": "59:09", "start_time": "59:08", "text": "Don't you feel heavy?" }, { "end_time": "59:10", "start_time": "59:09", "text": "Don't you feel responsible?" }, { "end_time": "59:11", "start_time": "59:11", "text": "I feel cool." }, { "end_time": "59:12", "start_time": "59:11", "text": "You feel cool?" }, { "end_time": "59:14", "start_time": "59:12", "text": "And I feel like, oh my god." }, { "end_time": "59:15", "start_time": "59:14", "text": "This is such a big responsibility." }, { "end_time": "59:21", "start_time": "59:16", "text": "And, you know, when people come and say you've changed my life, and it's like, right?" }, { "end_time": "59:26", "start_time": "59:22", "text": "It's like like when you say certain things to me, I'm like, you know, what what are you talking about?" }, { "end_time": "59:27", "start_time": "59:26", "text": "We just had normal conversation." }, { "end_time": "59:28", "start_time": "59:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "59:28", "start_time": "59:28", "text": "So, yeah." }, { "end_time": "59:30", "start_time": "59:28", "text": "That's Like, recently I came back from Nagpur." }, { "end_time": "59:38", "start_time": "59:30", "text": "There's this kid who basically goes around villages and small towns around Nagpur, and he basically does motivational sessions Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "59:40", "start_time": "59:38", "text": "Where he just repeats Bir Bais's videos." }, { "end_time": "59:41", "start_time": "59:40", "text": "And he met me there." }, { "end_time": "59:41", "start_time": "59:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "59:44", "start_time": "59:41", "text": "And he's like, bro, anything I talk in those sessions, it's actually your videos." }, { "end_time": "59:44", "start_time": "59:44", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "59:47", "start_time": "59:44", "text": "And people come and take my autograph and take my photos and hug me." }, { "end_time": "59:53", "start_time": "59:47", "text": "And they're like, and I was like, dude, that is the most beautiful thing anyone's ever told me." }, { "end_time": "59:53", "start_time": "59:53", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "59:58", "start_time": "59:53", "text": "Because my brother, Manish, once told me that your goal with beer biceps should be to create a 1,000 more runways." }, { "end_time": "59:59", "start_time": "59:58", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "1:00:05", "start_time": "59:59", "text": "And be happy and be very proud if one of those 1,000 become bigger than you." }, { "end_time": "1:00:05", "start_time": "1:00:05", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:00:06", "start_time": "1:00:05", "text": "I'm I'm always up for that." }, { "end_time": "1:00:07", "start_time": "1:00:06", "text": "Bigger than you." }, { "end_time": "1:00:07", "start_time": "1:00:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:00:08", "start_time": "1:00:07", "text": "Like like Pay it forward." }, { "end_time": "1:00:08", "start_time": "1:00:08", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:00:10", "start_time": "1:00:08", "text": "I mean, that's the biggest goal, you know." }, { "end_time": "1:00:11", "start_time": "1:00:10", "text": "100%, bro." }, { "end_time": "1:00:11", "start_time": "1:00:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:00:13", "start_time": "1:00:11", "text": "Anyway, thank you for this podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:00:14", "start_time": "1:00:13", "text": "I hope you had fun, bro." }, { "end_time": "1:00:15", "start_time": "1:00:14", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "1:00:16", "start_time": "1:00:15", "text": "I was relaxing." }, { "end_time": "1:00:18", "start_time": "1:00:16", "text": "It was a therapy for me as well." }, { "end_time": "1:00:19", "start_time": "1:00:18", "text": "I loved it." }, { "end_time": "1:00:19", "start_time": "1:00:19", "text": "Cool." }, { "end_time": "1:00:19", "start_time": "1:00:19", "text": "Cool." }, { "end_time": "1:00:21", "start_time": "1:00:19", "text": "I'll link all of Manish's handles down below." }, { "end_time": "1:00:21", "start_time": "1:00:21", "text": "Make sure you follow." }, { "end_time": "1:00:22", "start_time": "1:00:21", "text": "Make sure you subscribe." }, { "end_time": "1:00:23", "start_time": "1:00:22", "text": "Hope you guys enjoyed." }, { "end_time": "1:00:25", "start_time": "1:00:23", "text": "Tell me what else you'd wanna learn from Manish." }, { "end_time": "1:00:28", "start_time": "1:00:25", "text": "We're gonna be bringing Manish back on the podcast very soon." }, { "end_time": "1:00:30", "start_time": "1:00:28", "text": "Until next time, say bye to everyone, bro." }, { "end_time": "1:00:31", "start_time": "1:00:30", "text": "Bye." }, { "end_time": "1:00:32", "start_time": "1:00:31", "text": "And it's not goodbye." }, { "end_time": "1:00:33", "start_time": "1:00:33", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:00:34", "start_time": "1:00:33", "text": "See you." }, { "end_time": "1:00:35", "start_time": "1:00:34", "text": "See you, guys." } ] }

[ { "content": "**Task Description:** \nYou are provided with a YouTube video transcript in JSON format, where each entry is synchronized with its respective timestamp. This transcript contains the spoken text along with its start and end times. Your objective is to generate high-quality, chapter-wise segments that accurately represent key points or transitions within the video.\n\n**Transcript JSON Format:** \nThe transcript is formatted as a list of dictionaries, where each dictionary represents a spoken sentence, including its text and corresponding start and end times.\n\n**Example Transcript:** \n```json\n[\n {\n \"text\": \"The narrative in the public eye is that you left working with the Modi government because your opinions weren't heard.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:07\"\n },\n {\n \"text\": \"I want to know your side of the story.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:08\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:10\"\n },\n ...\n]\n```\n\n**Your Task:** \nUsing the given transcript, generate a JSON output that breaks down the video into meaningful chapters. Each chapter should encapsulate a key segment of the video and be accompanied by a concise, informative title that reflects the essence of that segment.\n\n**Chapter JSON Format:** \nThe output should follow this structure:\n```json\n{\n \"chapters\": [\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"title\": \"Introduction and Opening Remarks\"\n },\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:07\",\n \"title\": \"Discussing the Exit from Modi Government\"\n },\n ...\n ]\n}\n```\n\n**Requirements:** \n1. **Identify Key Segments:** Extract significant portions of the transcript that represent shifts in topic, important discussions, or transitions in conversation.\n2. **Craft Informative Titles:** Each chapter title should be clear, engaging, and directly related to the content covered in that segment.\n3. **Preserve Time Stamps:** Ensure that each chapter's `start_time` corresponds to the first instance of a key topic or segment in the transcript.\n4. **Conciseness is Key:** While titles should be descriptive, avoid making them overly lengthy. Aim for a balance between informativeness and brevity.", "role": "system" }, { "content": "{'transcripts': array([{'end_time': '0:01', 'start_time': '0:00', 'text': \"What's good everybody?\"},\n {'end_time': '0:08', 'start_time': '0:01', 'text': 'Welcome to another gorgeous value adding podcast episode with my own biggest mentor, Manish Bande.'},\n {'end_time': '0:09', 'start_time': '0:08', 'text': \"He's a big brother to me.\"},\n ...,\n {'end_time': '1:00:33', 'start_time': '1:00:33', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '1:00:34', 'start_time': '1:00:33', 'text': 'See you.'},\n {'end_time': '1:00:35', 'start_time': '1:00:34', 'text': 'See you, guys.'}],\n dtype=object)}", "role": "user" }, { "content": "{'chapters': array([{'start_time': '00:00', 'title': 'Introduction'},\n {'start_time': '03:03', 'title': 'Value-adding conversations'},\n {'start_time': '03:57', 'title': 'First job at the Age of 11'},\n {'start_time': '04:49', 'title': 'Manish Pandey on Startups'},\n {'start_time': '06:44', 'title': 'Manish on Spirituality and Yoga'},\n {'start_time': '08:49', 'title': 'The Manish and Ranveer Story'},\n {'start_time': '11:34', 'title': \"Ranveer's Lifestyle before Spirituality\"},\n {'start_time': '13:34', 'title': 'Facts on Consuming Non-Veg Food'},\n {'start_time': '18:15', 'title': 'Effects of Intoxicants in the Long Run'},\n {'start_time': '23:05', 'title': \"Manish and Ranveer's First Meet\"},\n {'start_time': '24:37', 'title': 'Manish and Meditation'},\n {'start_time': '26:00', 'title': 'First Circle of Information with Manish'},\n {'start_time': '26:40', 'title': 'Youngsters connect'},\n {'start_time': '27:55', 'title': \"Manish starting as Ranveer's Mentor\"},\n {'start_time': '29:14', 'title': \"Manish's Message to YouTubers\"},\n {'start_time': '30:24', 'title': 'Relationship with co-founders'},\n {'start_time': '31:15', 'title': 'Giving up intoxicants'},\n {'start_time': '32:25', 'title': 'Conscious Following on Social Media'},\n {'start_time': '34:26', 'title': \"Manish's funda for Mentoring\"},\n {'start_time': '37:02', 'title': \"Manish's View on Startups\"},\n {'start_time': '38:04', 'title': 'YouTubers and Entrepreneurship'},\n {'start_time': '40:05', 'title': 'Negative Aspects of a YouTuber'},\n {'start_time': '41:11', 'title': 'Observing People for Behaviors'},\n {'start_time': '44:05', 'title': 'How Ranveer stopped drinking'},\n {'start_time': '45:31', 'title': 'Manish on Weed'},\n {'start_time': '46:40', 'title': 'Changes through Yoga'},\n {'start_time': '48:01', 'title': 'What are Siddhis in Yoga?'},\n {'start_time': '51:59', 'title': 'Ranveer On Going Vegetarian'},\n {'start_time': '55:25', 'title': \"Manish's Advice to Ranveer\"}],\n dtype=object)}", "role": "assistant" } ]

{ "chapters": [ { "start_time": "00:00", "title": "Introduction" }, { "start_time": "02:00", "title": "How did he become Mens Fashion Designer" }, { "start_time": "03:24", "title": "Early memories" }, { "start_time": "03:55", "title": "World's Top 50 Fashion Designers" }, { "start_time": "04:45", "title": "Depression" }, { "start_time": "06:01", "title": "Learnings from J. Krishnamurti" }, { "start_time": "06:41", "title": "That X Factor" }, { "start_time": "08:31", "title": "Reading" }, { "start_time": "13:02", "title": "Marriage" }, { "start_time": "15:51", "title": "Advice for 20 year old" }, { "start_time": "20:50", "title": "Mistakes by people" }, { "start_time": "22:27", "title": "Creativity and stability" }, { "start_time": "23:51", "title": "What destroys people's career" } ] }

{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:08", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "Narendar Kumar or Nari as most people know him is one of the most influential people in the world of men's fashion in today's day and age." }, { "end_time": "0:17", "start_time": "0:08", "text": "He's been voted as one of the top 50 menswear designers, and today he's heading the creative aspect of the entire vertical called Amazon fashion." }, { "end_time": "0:24", "start_time": "0:17", "text": "He's interacted with Jeff Bezos and Jeff Bezos is just one of the 1,000,000 successful people that this man has interacted with." }, { "end_time": "0:26", "start_time": "0:24", "text": "He's learned from all of them." }, { "end_time": "0:28", "start_time": "0:26", "text": "He's a crazily voracious reader." }, { "end_time": "0:34", "start_time": "0:29", "text": "This conversation of the Rani show is going to add a lot of information into your mind." }, { "end_time": "0:43", "start_time": "0:34", "text": "We're also gonna touch upon what makes a human being more attractive and you know what More than the information, there's a lot of classiness to be gained from this man." }, { "end_time": "0:48", "start_time": "0:43", "text": "So without further ado, enjoy Narendur Kumar on the Ranveer show." }, { "end_time": "1:02", "start_time": "0:55", "text": "One of the best things about my own career, one of my biggest blessings is that this YouTuber slash entrepreneur tag opens up a lot of doors." }, { "end_time": "1:05", "start_time": "1:02", "text": "I'm very fortunate to have met Narendu Kumar." }, { "end_time": "1:05", "start_time": "1:05", "text": "Pleasure." }, { "end_time": "1:06", "start_time": "1:06", "text": "Nare?" }, { "end_time": "1:07", "start_time": "1:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:09", "start_time": "1:07", "text": "Proud to call you somewhat of a mentor to me." }, { "end_time": "1:10", "start_time": "1:09", "text": "Glad to be 1." }, { "end_time": "1:14", "start_time": "1:11", "text": "Proud to also I didn't know that, but glad to be 1." }, { "end_time": "1:15", "start_time": "1:14", "text": "Well, you are." }, { "end_time": "1:18", "start_time": "1:15", "text": "Proud to also, know you as a fellow." }, { "end_time": "1:20", "start_time": "1:19", "text": "I'd like to call it bachelor." }, { "end_time": "1:21", "start_time": "1:20", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:24", "start_time": "1:21", "text": "You are in a relationship, but you're an unmarried 49 year old person." }, { "end_time": "1:25", "start_time": "1:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:26", "start_time": "1:25", "text": "And you don't see that a lot in India?" }, { "end_time": "1:28", "start_time": "1:27", "text": "You don't see that." }, { "end_time": "1:29", "start_time": "1:28", "text": "That's by choice." }, { "end_time": "1:29", "start_time": "1:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:30", "start_time": "1:29", "text": "And That's by choice." }, { "end_time": "1:34", "start_time": "1:30", "text": "Some of our most interesting conversations have been about relationships, about partying Right." }, { "end_time": "1:39", "start_time": "1:34", "text": "But also about how you've landed the country's most desired creative job." }, { "end_time": "1:39", "start_time": "1:39", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "1:42", "start_time": "1:39", "text": "You're the head of, creatives." }, { "end_time": "1:43", "start_time": "1:42", "text": "For Amazon Fashion." }, { "end_time": "1:44", "start_time": "1:43", "text": "For Amazon Fashion." }, { "end_time": "1:45", "start_time": "1:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:45", "start_time": "1:45", "text": "Glad to be there." }, { "end_time": "1:47", "start_time": "1:45", "text": "Nice to be there from the very beginning." }, { "end_time": "1:51", "start_time": "1:47", "text": "And you're considered one of the world's top 50 fashion designers." }, { "end_time": "1:51", "start_time": "1:51", "text": "Menswear designers." }, { "end_time": "1:52", "start_time": "1:51", "text": "Menswear designers." }, { "end_time": "1:53", "start_time": "1:52", "text": "You crushed that." }, { "end_time": "1:54", "start_time": "1:53", "text": "And you're talking to menswear YouTuber." }, { "end_time": "1:58", "start_time": "1:54", "text": "So we're gonna be tackling all these topics through this podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:59", "start_time": "1:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:59", "start_time": "1:59", "text": "Look forward to it." }, { "end_time": "2:00", "start_time": "1:59", "text": "Go for it." }, { "end_time": "2:09", "start_time": "2:00", "text": "So I wanna ask you, man, how did you go from being an everyday average sports playing Bombay kid to being up there?" }, { "end_time": "2:09", "start_time": "2:09", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "2:11", "start_time": "2:10", "text": "I mean, a long journey." }, { "end_time": "2:17", "start_time": "2:11", "text": "I mean, you know, I was really not that great at studies and education was really not my forte." }, { "end_time": "2:20", "start_time": "2:17", "text": "I didn't I didn't do so great when it came to my university." }, { "end_time": "2:23", "start_time": "2:20", "text": "Really did badly actually passed by copying." }, { "end_time": "2:25", "start_time": "2:23", "text": "If I have to say that right now." }, { "end_time": "2:35", "start_time": "2:25", "text": "But, I think in I was quite lost for many years until I really found my calling when I was 26, 27." }, { "end_time": "2:38", "start_time": "2:36", "text": "What did you do from 21 to 26?" }, { "end_time": "2:44", "start_time": "2:38", "text": "My my first job was selling photocopies at 10 paisa and 15 paisa from office to office in Nariman Point." }, { "end_time": "2:46", "start_time": "2:44", "text": "Were you that guy in the Xerox shop?" }, { "end_time": "2:46", "start_time": "2:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:47", "start_time": "2:46", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "2:47", "start_time": "2:47", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:49", "start_time": "2:48", "text": "Packed that and gave it to people." }, { "end_time": "2:56", "start_time": "2:50", "text": "And then I think my parents felt a little bad for me and they said I should get they should get me a more respectable job kind of stuff." }, { "end_time": "3:03", "start_time": "2:57", "text": "And, I got a job selling glass bottles like milk bottles and I did that for about 5, 6 years." }, { "end_time": "3:10", "start_time": "3:03", "text": "And then I heard this school, NIFT, National Institute of Fashion Technology, opening up." }, { "end_time": "3:17", "start_time": "3:10", "text": "And they looked for 1 year's, they looked for either a first class in graduation or a year's experience in the industry." }, { "end_time": "3:18", "start_time": "3:17", "text": "I had neither." }, { "end_time": "3:24", "start_time": "3:19", "text": "And so I quit my job the day I got to know about it and life took on from then." }, { "end_time": "3:25", "start_time": "3:24", "text": "You always liked clothes?" }, { "end_time": "3:26", "start_time": "3:25", "text": "You liked fashion?" }, { "end_time": "3:27", "start_time": "3:26", "text": "I did." }, { "end_time": "3:31", "start_time": "3:27", "text": "I mean, I did like fashion from the very beginning." }, { "end_time": "3:34", "start_time": "3:31", "text": "I remember the first time, maybe I was in my 10th standard or so." }, { "end_time": "3:38", "start_time": "3:35", "text": "I used to alter my clothes, my own clothes for the fit and the shape." }, { "end_time": "3:43", "start_time": "3:38", "text": "I used to use my mother's hand sewing machine to play around with the shapes and fits of clothing." }, { "end_time": "3:48", "start_time": "3:44", "text": "But, then there were no school, real schools to, for boys to learn fashion in." }, { "end_time": "3:49", "start_time": "3:48", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "3:49", "start_time": "3:49", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "3:50", "start_time": "3:49", "text": "The only girls schools." }, { "end_time": "3:50", "start_time": "3:50", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "3:55", "start_time": "3:51", "text": "And fashion was not considered a career for, boys at that time." }, { "end_time": "3:55", "start_time": "3:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:56", "start_time": "3:55", "text": "How do you climb up the ranks?" }, { "end_time": "4:00", "start_time": "3:56", "text": "How do you become one of the world's 50 top fashion designers?" }, { "end_time": "4:08", "start_time": "4:00", "text": "I tell myself that I think to put it simply is I tell myself I told myself when I finished fashion school that I should be the best." }, { "end_time": "4:10", "start_time": "4:08", "text": "I just kept the bar really high." }, { "end_time": "4:14", "start_time": "4:10", "text": "So I said to myself, I should be the best in the world and nothing less." }, { "end_time": "4:21", "start_time": "4:14", "text": "But I also knew that it was a very difficult task for a menswear design for a designer in India to reach on to the top kind of stuff." }, { "end_time": "4:27", "start_time": "4:21", "text": "And but what I did is put my head down and worked at it every single day of my life." }, { "end_time": "4:32", "start_time": "4:27", "text": "Every single day of my career, I looked at creating the best that I could." }, { "end_time": "4:37", "start_time": "4:34", "text": "Always fascinated by something nice that I would do." }, { "end_time": "4:45", "start_time": "4:37", "text": "It would be something that would lift me to such great heights, and take me past all my depression." }, { "end_time": "4:46", "start_time": "4:46", "text": "All your depression?" }, { "end_time": "4:47", "start_time": "4:46", "text": "All my depression." }, { "end_time": "4:47", "start_time": "4:47", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:48", "start_time": "4:47", "text": "Take us through that." }, { "end_time": "4:51", "start_time": "4:48", "text": "Because a lot of, you know, depression's always been around." }, { "end_time": "4:51", "start_time": "4:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:56", "start_time": "4:51", "text": "But it's just that because of social media and the modern day, it's been highlighted a lot more by young people." }, { "end_time": "4:56", "start_time": "4:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:59", "start_time": "4:56", "text": "It's highlighted more and it's seen as a disease." }, { "end_time": "4:59", "start_time": "4:59", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:06", "start_time": "4:59", "text": "But, you know, I don't know if it is true and I'm not qualified to say if it's a disease or not." }, { "end_time": "5:14", "start_time": "5:06", "text": "But I look at both the high and the low, the depression for being that inspired me, that drove me every day." }, { "end_time": "5:15", "start_time": "5:14", "text": "It was a teacher." }, { "end_time": "5:20", "start_time": "5:15", "text": "It was it was a teacher, actually, yeah, from the age of it was not just a teacher." }, { "end_time": "5:28", "start_time": "5:20", "text": "I think it was a lesson learned in life very much early, that my parents took me to these lectures by Krishnamurthi, Jay Krishnamurthi." }, { "end_time": "5:37", "start_time": "5:29", "text": "And that's where I got of understanding that, you know, you're really not much in control of what is going to happen to your life." }, { "end_time": "5:41", "start_time": "5:38", "text": "The only thing you can do is live it, you know." }, { "end_time": "5:45", "start_time": "5:41", "text": "Of course, you can plan it but your plans might not go the way you want to." }, { "end_time": "5:49", "start_time": "5:45", "text": "And so it allowed me to deal with the highs and the lows in the same manner." }, { "end_time": "5:53", "start_time": "5:49", "text": "And therefore, both the high and the low were inspiring." }, { "end_time": "6:01", "start_time": "5:53", "text": "And I've created great shows, ideas from being depressed and also from being high." }, { "end_time": "6:04", "start_time": "6:01", "text": "Like could you give an example of something you learned from J." }, { "end_time": "6:06", "start_time": "6:04", "text": "Krishnamurti that stayed with you?" }, { "end_time": "6:16", "start_time": "6:06", "text": "I mean, I think that, that there is no great authority in life, a God kind of spirit." }, { "end_time": "6:25", "start_time": "6:16", "text": "It is about how you deal with everyday life and how you look at life everyday and how you deal with your next person, the person you meet." }, { "end_time": "6:34", "start_time": "6:25", "text": "And really, that is where apparently the godliness comes in is how you deal with the next person you meet or the people you see." }, { "end_time": "6:40", "start_time": "6:34", "text": "And, that to me has really been a driving idea through my career and through my life." }, { "end_time": "6:41", "start_time": "6:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:47", "start_time": "6:41", "text": "Also with successful people, especially people like you who've done different things and been successful in different things." }, { "end_time": "6:49", "start_time": "6:47", "text": "I'm sure you have like this core formula that you follow." }, { "end_time": "6:50", "start_time": "6:49", "text": "You know, like, okay, work hard." }, { "end_time": "6:51", "start_time": "6:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:52", "start_time": "6:51", "text": "Keep learning about this industry." }, { "end_time": "6:53", "start_time": "6:52", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "6:54", "start_time": "6:53", "text": "And maybe that x factor." }, { "end_time": "6:55", "start_time": "6:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:02", "start_time": "6:55", "text": "The x factor was just, you know, if I were to describe my life, I mean, that x factor would be no review." }, { "end_time": "7:03", "start_time": "7:02", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "7:07", "start_time": "7:03", "text": "I've always wanted to expand on every aspect of what I do." }, { "end_time": "7:11", "start_time": "7:07", "text": "And when I did fashion, I also taught in fashion school." }, { "end_time": "7:13", "start_time": "7:11", "text": "I was also a fashion journalist." }, { "end_time": "7:14", "start_time": "7:13", "text": "I've done photography." }, { "end_time": "7:22", "start_time": "7:15", "text": "I told myself that I should be trained in every aspect of that function or that career, you know." }, { "end_time": "7:28", "start_time": "7:22", "text": "Most people just become designers and just remain designers for 30, 40 years in their life." }, { "end_time": "7:29", "start_time": "7:28", "text": "I couldn't do that." }, { "end_time": "7:32", "start_time": "7:29", "text": "I wanted to know every aspect of design from styling." }, { "end_time": "7:33", "start_time": "7:32", "text": "I don't know if you guys know." }, { "end_time": "7:38", "start_time": "7:33", "text": "We style India's most seminal film on fashion called fashion." }, { "end_time": "7:39", "start_time": "7:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:41", "start_time": "7:39", "text": "With Priyanka Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:44", "start_time": "7:41", "text": "And Kangana and Moogda and people." }, { "end_time": "7:53", "start_time": "7:45", "text": "And, so I I had this need to know every aspect of the work that I was doing." }, { "end_time": "7:58", "start_time": "7:53", "text": "So it never what it did was it kept me independent, at least at a top view." }, { "end_time": "8:02", "start_time": "7:58", "text": "Maybe I didn't do everything at the same time, but at least I knew what I wanted." }, { "end_time": "8:07", "start_time": "8:02", "text": "And probably that's what really helped me, bring these things." }, { "end_time": "8:10", "start_time": "8:07", "text": "And I used all of them and everything." }, { "end_time": "8:19", "start_time": "8:10", "text": "And I tell myself that everything that I have learned through my life has always been helpful because somewhere or the other, it has come." }, { "end_time": "8:26", "start_time": "8:19", "text": "It has been of help whether it is my personal life or how I see it or how I execute my ideas." }, { "end_time": "8:28", "start_time": "8:26", "text": "They say knowledge is never wasted." }, { "end_time": "8:29", "start_time": "8:28", "text": "It is absolutely agree." }, { "end_time": "8:31", "start_time": "8:29", "text": "And all knowledge is great knowledge." }, { "end_time": "8:31", "start_time": "8:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:33", "start_time": "8:31", "text": "You're also someone who reads a lot." }, { "end_time": "8:33", "start_time": "8:33", "text": "I do." }, { "end_time": "8:37", "start_time": "8:33", "text": "And I know you as a person and you're the kind of person who reads again to add layers to their mind." }, { "end_time": "8:38", "start_time": "8:37", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "8:45", "start_time": "8:38", "text": "I mean, I I think there are reading is a way of understanding how other people think." }, { "end_time": "8:48", "start_time": "8:45", "text": "And you know, to grow yourself, you relate to other people." }, { "end_time": "8:54", "start_time": "8:48", "text": "And therefore, without understanding them, it becomes difficult to relate to people on this on life." }, { "end_time": "8:55", "start_time": "8:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:58", "start_time": "8:55", "text": "You know, with my generation, a lot of people don't read." }, { "end_time": "8:58", "start_time": "8:58", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "9:00", "start_time": "8:58", "text": "But there are people who are hungry for knowledge." }, { "end_time": "9:03", "start_time": "9:00", "text": "So things like this podcast have become our versions of books." }, { "end_time": "9:04", "start_time": "9:03", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "9:13", "start_time": "9:04", "text": "So, I think the difference between books and podcasts is that books, you go and you scan the subconscious mind and the conscious mind of the writer, the author." }, { "end_time": "9:13", "start_time": "9:13", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "9:16", "start_time": "9:13", "text": "But with podcasts, you're getting a larger quantity of information that's spread out." }, { "end_time": "9:17", "start_time": "9:16", "text": "You're not going as deep." }, { "end_time": "9:21", "start_time": "9:17", "text": "You're getting a lot of So I read multiple books at the same time." }, { "end_time": "9:24", "start_time": "9:21", "text": "I read 6 different books on different subjects, you know?" }, { "end_time": "9:39", "start_time": "9:25", "text": "And I recently saw in apparently a documentary film on how you expand your brain, how your neurons fire when you're doing multiple things as opposed to doing just a single thing, you know." }, { "end_time": "9:43", "start_time": "9:40", "text": "It has happened all along and this was just a confirmation." }, { "end_time": "9:49", "start_time": "9:44", "text": "But it's not like I would read a book from page 1 to page to the last page." }, { "end_time": "9:52", "start_time": "9:49", "text": "I mean, I go back to books in different stages." }, { "end_time": "10:01", "start_time": "9:52", "text": "And the most important thing is picking out the essence of the book because you know the author has spent a lot of time qualifying that thought." }, { "end_time": "10:03", "start_time": "10:01", "text": "There is a single line." }, { "end_time": "10:08", "start_time": "10:03", "text": "If you can collapse a book into 5 lines, that is really the essence of the book, you know." }, { "end_time": "10:15", "start_time": "10:08", "text": "And to me always, yeah, more important than what somebody has done in their lives like artists for instance." }, { "end_time": "10:23", "start_time": "10:15", "text": "It was always important to me to understand how they grew up, what their influences were, and how did they think." }, { "end_time": "10:35", "start_time": "10:23", "text": "Because for me, it gives me a way to adapt their thought process into my own world instead of just repeating what they have done physically and convert it into my world." }, { "end_time": "10:39", "start_time": "10:35", "text": "So it gives me a deeper method of thinking." }, { "end_time": "10:46", "start_time": "10:39", "text": "And I was always interested by the method of the thought rather than the final thought itself." }, { "end_time": "10:47", "start_time": "10:46", "text": "What's the thought?" }, { "end_time": "10:47", "start_time": "10:47", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "10:48", "start_time": "10:47", "text": "Beautiful." }, { "end_time": "10:52", "start_time": "10:48", "text": "So straight off the top of your head, 3 books that were like life changing for you?" }, { "end_time": "10:56", "start_time": "10:53", "text": "You know, different books have influenced me In different ways." }, { "end_time": "10:57", "start_time": "10:56", "text": "In different." }, { "end_time": "11:01", "start_time": "10:57", "text": "I think number 1 was, Krishnamurti's book, The Awakening of Intelligence." }, { "end_time": "11:02", "start_time": "11:01", "text": "J Krishnamurti." }, { "end_time": "11:04", "start_time": "11:02", "text": "J Krishnamurti's book of the awakening of intelligence." }, { "end_time": "11:15", "start_time": "11:05", "text": "And the other book was the atheist guide to reality, living life without illusions by Alex Rosenberg, which is absolutely a fantastic, fantastic view of why we are here as human beings on this earth." }, { "end_time": "11:20", "start_time": "11:15", "text": "And what is the purpose that we did?" }, { "end_time": "11:29", "start_time": "11:24", "text": "And it says there is no real purpose to our lives, but since we are here, we should make the most of it." }, { "end_time": "11:30", "start_time": "11:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:35", "start_time": "11:30", "text": "And I think the third one is called the antidote, by Oliver Berkman." }, { "end_time": "11:43", "start_time": "11:36", "text": "And that talks about for those, for people who, and the byline says for people who hate positive thinking." }, { "end_time": "12:00", "start_time": "11:44", "text": "And I think it's a real great view, because positive thinking was created, in the 6 in the fifties and sixties in America for people to get over the war and depression and live in the future and escape what they were living then, you know." }, { "end_time": "12:06", "start_time": "12:00", "text": "Today, if you look at the millennials and Gen Z, everybody wants to live the moment, You know?" }, { "end_time": "12:14", "start_time": "12:06", "text": "This positive thinking of like, oh, I want to live what I'm going to live 20 years from now, live and believe that I'm going to work towards that." }, { "end_time": "12:17", "start_time": "12:14", "text": "I don't know how relevant it is Today." }, { "end_time": "12:17", "start_time": "12:17", "text": "In today's world." }, { "end_time": "12:18", "start_time": "12:17", "text": "I think it's coming back." }, { "end_time": "12:19", "start_time": "12:18", "text": "It's making a huge comeback." }, { "end_time": "12:30", "start_time": "12:19", "text": "So I I think that, you know, contrary, I feel that, you know, positive thinking, is, in today's world, people want to live today more than today." }, { "end_time": "12:37", "start_time": "12:30", "text": "And you look at, and that's the reason why everybody has 15 different things that they do don't last in a job for 6 months or 8 months." }, { "end_time": "12:38", "start_time": "12:37", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "12:42", "start_time": "12:38", "text": "So people are finding they're searching for what makes them happy." }, { "end_time": "12:44", "start_time": "12:42", "text": "And sometimes small things don't make them happy." }, { "end_time": "12:48", "start_time": "12:44", "text": "You know, positive thinking is just live like you are happy today." }, { "end_time": "12:49", "start_time": "12:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:49", "start_time": "12:49", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "12:53", "start_time": "12:49", "text": "And it might not be there but just live about think about it today." }, { "end_time": "12:56", "start_time": "12:53", "text": "You're living in the future and you really don't want to do that." }, { "end_time": "13:01", "start_time": "12:56", "text": "And for most young people I know, they want to do things now because there's lots to do." }, { "end_time": "13:04", "start_time": "13:02", "text": "Why did you not get married through all this?" }, { "end_time": "13:13", "start_time": "13:06", "text": "I think that marriage is signing a paper is never an important issue for me." }, { "end_time": "13:14", "start_time": "13:13", "text": "It was commitment." }, { "end_time": "13:21", "start_time": "13:14", "text": "And commitment is what is really important, commitment to your work, commitment to your partner, commitment to all of that." }, { "end_time": "13:23", "start_time": "13:21", "text": "Those are important things, you know." }, { "end_time": "13:26", "start_time": "13:23", "text": "And a paper does not qualify that." }, { "end_time": "13:27", "start_time": "13:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:36", "start_time": "13:28", "text": "I have been through a lot in my life and I have been through, I have been with partners, which are really long." }, { "end_time": "13:38", "start_time": "13:36", "text": "I have a partner for many years now." }, { "end_time": "13:43", "start_time": "13:38", "text": "All of that kind of stuff and and business partner, work partner, all of that kind of stuff." }, { "end_time": "13:51", "start_time": "13:43", "text": "And I think that, it is commitment that is really the most important thing." }, { "end_time": "13:55", "start_time": "13:51", "text": "You know, you could have signed that paper and not be committed to." }, { "end_time": "13:55", "start_time": "13:55", "text": "Yeah?" }, { "end_time": "13:58", "start_time": "13:55", "text": "So for me, I never looked at it as an important aspect." }, { "end_time": "13:59", "start_time": "13:58", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "14:02", "start_time": "13:59", "text": "Like, but did you see marriages fail around you as well?" }, { "end_time": "14:03", "start_time": "14:02", "text": "Like your friends and things like that?" }, { "end_time": "14:08", "start_time": "14:03", "text": "But I would still not use that as a qualification as to why I never got married." }, { "end_time": "14:08", "start_time": "14:08", "text": "I I don't." }, { "end_time": "14:09", "start_time": "14:08", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:12", "start_time": "14:09", "text": "But from an external perspective, as an observer, why?" }, { "end_time": "14:14", "start_time": "14:12", "text": "I think the pressures are a lot." }, { "end_time": "14:14", "start_time": "14:14", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "14:15", "start_time": "14:14", "text": "Expectations are a lot." }, { "end_time": "14:17", "start_time": "14:16", "text": "That's why the marriage is Today I mean, yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:23", "start_time": "14:17", "text": "Because, you know, you are open today to so many influences that were never there before in your life." }, { "end_time": "14:24", "start_time": "14:23", "text": "For example?" }, { "end_time": "14:41", "start_time": "14:24", "text": "I mean, people that you meet, careers that you want, travel that you want to do, and it's difficult to find people with both the same level of expectations and somebody who would probably encourage you in your own journey." }, { "end_time": "14:41", "start_time": "14:41", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "14:42", "start_time": "14:41", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "14:47", "start_time": "14:42", "text": "And a lot of people look within themselves rather than look to others to help others and put people out." }, { "end_time": "14:48", "start_time": "14:47", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "14:55", "start_time": "14:49", "text": "And I think that the pressure is lot more, you know, there are a lot more things to do, a lot more things to achieve." }, { "end_time": "15:06", "start_time": "14:56", "text": "And unless you have this commitment of taking each other along or multiple people along, it finds it very difficult to get through a long relationship." }, { "end_time": "15:07", "start_time": "15:07", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "15:09", "start_time": "15:07", "text": "And have you seen any successful long relationship?" }, { "end_time": "15:10", "start_time": "15:09", "text": "Of course, I have." }, { "end_time": "15:12", "start_time": "15:10", "text": "My parents were married for the longest time." }, { "end_time": "15:12", "start_time": "15:12", "text": "Ever do." }, { "end_time": "15:12", "start_time": "15:12", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "15:19", "start_time": "15:13", "text": "But my I mean, I think that, they committed and respected each other." }, { "end_time": "15:22", "start_time": "15:19", "text": "They knew that each one qualified their life." }, { "end_time": "15:26", "start_time": "15:22", "text": "They were friends first before they got married more than anything else." }, { "end_time": "15:31", "start_time": "15:26", "text": "I mean, it's not to say that you have not to be friends to you can be strangers and you can get together." }, { "end_time": "15:35", "start_time": "15:31", "text": "You can explore and you can find out each other in the journey as you get along." }, { "end_time": "15:37", "start_time": "15:35", "text": "And that itself is a great thing, you know?" }, { "end_time": "15:46", "start_time": "15:37", "text": "So there are lots of successful people, but you also hear of a lot of things that go, awry when it comes to relationships and marriages." }, { "end_time": "15:50", "start_time": "15:48", "text": "And I'm no judge for this." }, { "end_time": "15:54", "start_time": "15:50", "text": "What advice do you have for people in their twenties, both in terms of relationships and both?" }, { "end_time": "16:03", "start_time": "15:54", "text": "I think that, relationships can nurture you a lot and can destroy you also." }, { "end_time": "16:04", "start_time": "16:03", "text": "Yeah?" }, { "end_time": "16:12", "start_time": "16:05", "text": "You need to be able to you need to be mindful of what, relationships are and how it is nurturing you." }, { "end_time": "16:16", "start_time": "16:12", "text": "I mean, nurturing cannot be selfish, cannot be just about you." }, { "end_time": "16:23", "start_time": "16:16", "text": "It also depends on how you nurture the other person because that is what is a nourishing relationship where you can nurture each other Kind of person." }, { "end_time": "16:25", "start_time": "16:23", "text": "In the ways that you wanna do." }, { "end_time": "16:36", "start_time": "16:25", "text": "As far as careers are concerned, you know, today, there has never been a time like this over the last 200 years of our industrial revolution, you know." }, { "end_time": "16:43", "start_time": "16:37", "text": "We learn today our parents learn today from generation to generation." }, { "end_time": "16:44", "start_time": "16:43", "text": "They grew up." }, { "end_time": "16:45", "start_time": "16:44", "text": "Their parents taught them." }, { "end_time": "16:45", "start_time": "16:45", "text": "Their father taught them." }, { "end_time": "16:49", "start_time": "16:45", "text": "They're the values and they spoke about careers to their children, you know." }, { "end_time": "16:57", "start_time": "16:49", "text": "And they said, I mean, 100 years or 50 years ago, when someone said, oh, doctor Banjo because that is great for you in life." }, { "end_time": "17:00", "start_time": "16:58", "text": "You did it because that was a choice." }, { "end_time": "17:06", "start_time": "17:00", "text": "Today, I think the other real important thing is how health has improved over life." }, { "end_time": "17:06", "start_time": "17:06", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "17:16", "start_time": "17:06", "text": "Earlier people told you generation in the past, people told you that you have to do and build your career from the age of, say, 21, 22 to 60." }, { "end_time": "17:18", "start_time": "17:16", "text": "And then you are retired, you know." }, { "end_time": "17:22", "start_time": "17:18", "text": "And then you have to save for the next part of your life." }, { "end_time": "17:25", "start_time": "17:22", "text": "The age in the future is not going to be limited to 60." }, { "end_time": "17:27", "start_time": "17:25", "text": "You know, people are already living till their eighties." }, { "end_time": "17:30", "start_time": "17:27", "text": "In another 20 years, they will live up to a 100." }, { "end_time": "17:32", "start_time": "17:30", "text": "And you probably will have to work until you're 80." }, { "end_time": "17:37", "start_time": "17:32", "text": "And you will be in good health and good, you know, kind of stuff because all of that is improving." }, { "end_time": "17:38", "start_time": "17:37", "text": "Healthcare is improving." }, { "end_time": "17:39", "start_time": "17:38", "text": "Life is improving." }, { "end_time": "17:41", "start_time": "17:39", "text": "Standards are improving for everybody, you know?" }, { "end_time": "17:43", "start_time": "17:41", "text": "So people will live longer." }, { "end_time": "17:47", "start_time": "17:43", "text": "And in in that situation, how do you measure your life?" }, { "end_time": "17:53", "start_time": "17:48", "text": "You know, do you want to become a CEO by within 15 years of your career?" }, { "end_time": "17:55", "start_time": "17:53", "text": "Do you want to be an entrepreneur?" }, { "end_time": "17:56", "start_time": "17:55", "text": "What do you want to be?" }, { "end_time": "17:58", "start_time": "17:56", "text": "Because what do you do after that?" }, { "end_time": "18:01", "start_time": "17:58", "text": "You know, there are not millions and millions of CEOs." }, { "end_time": "18:05", "start_time": "18:01", "text": "There are only a limited amount of jobs that go with that." }, { "end_time": "18:17", "start_time": "18:06", "text": "You know, how do you maintain or sustain your interest in one thing or the next 40, 50, 60 years is a difficult thing also for people, you know." }, { "end_time": "18:25", "start_time": "18:17", "text": "So, that's where people need to think, you know, I would say that it is a steady climb instead of a vertical climb when it comes to careers." }, { "end_time": "18:33", "start_time": "18:26", "text": "I think that as you build your career, you got to know today every aspect of your career, you know?" }, { "end_time": "18:39", "start_time": "18:34", "text": "I mean, you cannot be just a, a master of 1." }, { "end_time": "18:49", "start_time": "18:39", "text": "You need to be a master of 1, which is the basis of your career, but you need to be a Jack of all other stuff because today is the age of the entrepreneur." }, { "end_time": "18:53", "start_time": "18:49", "text": "And to be an entrepreneur, you need to know something about everything." }, { "end_time": "18:53", "start_time": "18:53", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "18:54", "start_time": "18:53", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "18:54", "start_time": "18:54", "text": "Yeah?" }, { "end_time": "18:58", "start_time": "18:54", "text": "You also you work with a lot of young people in your Amazon team." }, { "end_time": "18:58", "start_time": "18:58", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "19:03", "start_time": "18:58", "text": "So I'm sure in your hiring process, you're hiring people with that little kind of mentality of you look for certain things." }, { "end_time": "19:04", "start_time": "19:03", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "19:05", "start_time": "19:04", "text": "What do you look for in that hot prospect?" }, { "end_time": "19:15", "start_time": "19:06", "text": "I think that, you know, looking for people in is you're looking at a place where you think about the new work culture." }, { "end_time": "19:18", "start_time": "19:15", "text": "You think about millennials and how they work." }, { "end_time": "19:19", "start_time": "19:18", "text": "How you're going to foster?" }, { "end_time": "19:21", "start_time": "19:19", "text": "How you're going to help them?" }, { "end_time": "19:23", "start_time": "19:21", "text": "How you're going to nurture them into their careers?" }, { "end_time": "19:26", "start_time": "19:23", "text": "And the kind of backgrounds they come with, you know?" }, { "end_time": "19:27", "start_time": "19:26", "text": "Are you a free thinker?" }, { "end_time": "19:28", "start_time": "19:27", "text": "Are you independent?" }, { "end_time": "19:30", "start_time": "19:28", "text": "Do you follow processes?" }, { "end_time": "19:33", "start_time": "19:31", "text": "How do you structure your thought process?" }, { "end_time": "19:36", "start_time": "19:34", "text": "And how widely you think?" }, { "end_time": "19:36", "start_time": "19:36", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "19:37", "start_time": "19:36", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "19:39", "start_time": "19:37", "text": "And for me, that is the most important thing." }, { "end_time": "19:53", "start_time": "19:39", "text": "And some of the questions I ask people at, interviews is, what's the top of their playlist music list currently, you know, and or what are the 3 top books they're reading currently kind of stuff." }, { "end_time": "19:59", "start_time": "19:53", "text": "I mean, not related anything to do with the actual, job But the structure of their minds." }, { "end_time": "20:00", "start_time": "20:00", "text": "Minds." }, { "end_time": "20:09", "start_time": "20:00", "text": "You know, to me, that is really the essence of the person because I know if you have your favorite music so who is your favorite musician?" }, { "end_time": "20:12", "start_time": "20:09", "text": "You know, maybe a band, Pearl Jam, you know." }, { "end_time": "20:17", "start_time": "20:12", "text": "And for me, what is important is what do you know about them?" }, { "end_time": "20:18", "start_time": "20:17", "text": "How do you follow what you love?" }, { "end_time": "20:23", "start_time": "20:18", "text": "And to me, that gives me a perspective of how the person thinks about what they do." }, { "end_time": "20:28", "start_time": "20:23", "text": "Because if you are really thorough about what you love, you know, it could be anything." }, { "end_time": "20:29", "start_time": "20:28", "text": "You know, it could be music." }, { "end_time": "20:30", "start_time": "20:29", "text": "It could be wine." }, { "end_time": "20:33", "start_time": "20:30", "text": "It could be it could be traveling." }, { "end_time": "20:34", "start_time": "20:33", "text": "It could be cars." }, { "end_time": "20:35", "start_time": "20:34", "text": "It could be anything of the kind." }, { "end_time": "20:47", "start_time": "20:35", "text": "How deeply you get into it allows me to give a pers allows me the perspective of the person as being someone who's thorough in what they love." }, { "end_time": "20:49", "start_time": "20:47", "text": "And so definitely they should be thorough in what they do." }, { "end_time": "20:50", "start_time": "20:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:50", "start_time": "20:50", "text": "Wonderful." }, { "end_time": "20:58", "start_time": "20:50", "text": "So Mary, you know, you're a really good guy and though your career's gone Good is a relative term to use." }, { "end_time": "20:59", "start_time": "20:58", "text": "From, from when I've met you." }, { "end_time": "21:01", "start_time": "20:59", "text": "Like, you seem like a really nice person." }, { "end_time": "21:02", "start_time": "21:02", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "21:05", "start_time": "21:02", "text": "I'm sure you've like, you know, you've gone really fast in your career." }, { "end_time": "21:07", "start_time": "21:05", "text": "You've gone way ahead of a lot of people." }, { "end_time": "21:07", "start_time": "21:07", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "21:11", "start_time": "21:07", "text": "And I'm sure you've seen people who don't capitalize on their moment." }, { "end_time": "21:12", "start_time": "21:12", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "21:13", "start_time": "21:12", "text": "What have those people done wrong?" }, { "end_time": "21:16", "start_time": "21:13", "text": "You're the ones who've not reached where they were supposed to reach." }, { "end_time": "21:19", "start_time": "21:16", "text": "I mean, I think that that's a lesson in life that I have learned." }, { "end_time": "21:24", "start_time": "21:19", "text": "You know, I used to also be like this person racing ahead, doing the next thing and the next thing and the next thing." }, { "end_time": "21:26", "start_time": "21:24", "text": "I couldn't stop myself." }, { "end_time": "21:34", "start_time": "21:26", "text": "And then I realized that I was just creating these ideas of next thing where everybody else was benefiting from it, profiting from the idea." }, { "end_time": "21:34", "start_time": "21:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:52", "start_time": "21:35", "text": "And, I also told myself I need to do the next thing, but I need to be able to, make the most of the things that I'm talking about, develop it further, develop it a little deeper and layer it with the new things." }, { "end_time": "21:52", "start_time": "21:52", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "21:53", "start_time": "21:52", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "21:57", "start_time": "21:53", "text": "And, and that is really important." }, { "end_time": "22:04", "start_time": "21:57", "text": "I mean, a simple example would be I do shows and my shows I would have like 30 different ideas in one show." }, { "end_time": "22:04", "start_time": "22:04", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "22:05", "start_time": "22:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:13", "start_time": "22:05", "text": "And I realized that, you know, I was doing 30 different ideas, but there were other people who were taking my one idea and building empires and businesses out of for themselves." }, { "end_time": "22:17", "start_time": "22:14", "text": "And I decided that that's when I realized that I needed to slow down." }, { "end_time": "22:26", "start_time": "22:18", "text": "I needed to be able to, put this out in a way that was digestible and I could take ownership of it." }, { "end_time": "22:27", "start_time": "22:26", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "22:32", "start_time": "22:27", "text": "So they say that the curse of creativity is being slightly ungrounded in terms of you're born with a lot of creativity." }, { "end_time": "22:33", "start_time": "22:33", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "22:35", "start_time": "22:33", "text": "You're also born with a slight lack of stability." }, { "end_time": "22:36", "start_time": "22:36", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "22:41", "start_time": "22:36", "text": "I think stability is good because it keeps that itch of learning." }, { "end_time": "22:46", "start_time": "22:42", "text": "It allows you to build, but you don't have, you know, you don't have to go over the top." }, { "end_time": "22:52", "start_time": "22:46", "text": "I mean, I don't believe in this fantasy idea of, you know, you need to take drugs to be creative." }, { "end_time": "22:58", "start_time": "22:52", "text": "You know, you don't have to be wallowing in drugs all the time to be create this kind of creative person." }, { "end_time": "23:02", "start_time": "22:59", "text": "I never felt the need for that in my life ever." }, { "end_time": "23:04", "start_time": "23:03", "text": "But he's kept the hunger on." }, { "end_time": "23:08", "start_time": "23:04", "text": "I mean, for me, is what are the new ideas that are firing my brain?" }, { "end_time": "23:12", "start_time": "23:08", "text": "You know, what is the new it's the hunger to learn that really keeps firing." }, { "end_time": "23:17", "start_time": "23:13", "text": "And, and I think that's what careers are about." }, { "end_time": "23:27", "start_time": "23:17", "text": "I mean, for creative people also, you can be a straightjacket straightjacketed person but you can be terribly, terribly creative in what you think." }, { "end_time": "23:31", "start_time": "23:27", "text": "And, you know, a lot of research shows that you need to be a little crazy to survive." }, { "end_time": "23:37", "start_time": "23:31", "text": "Or I would twist Seal's song and I say, You need to be a little crazy to be creative." }, { "end_time": "23:43", "start_time": "23:39", "text": "The craziness comes not from your demeanor or your personality." }, { "end_time": "23:48", "start_time": "23:44", "text": "The craziness comes craziness comes from your hunger to learn more." }, { "end_time": "23:48", "start_time": "23:48", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "23:49", "start_time": "23:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:51", "start_time": "23:49", "text": "And sometimes people don't see that." }, { "end_time": "23:51", "start_time": "23:51", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "23:52", "start_time": "23:51", "text": "What up careers?" }, { "end_time": "23:55", "start_time": "23:52", "text": "Because you're someone who's worked in multiple industries." }, { "end_time": "23:55", "start_time": "23:55", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "23:57", "start_time": "23:55", "text": "What what up careers?" }, { "end_time": "24:00", "start_time": "23:57", "text": "I think relationships and how you deal with no." }, { "end_time": "24:08", "start_time": "24:00", "text": "I mean, not personal inter not family relationships, but I think interpersonal relationships is really important how you deal with the other person." }, { "end_time": "24:09", "start_time": "24:08", "text": "As in your coworkers." }, { "end_time": "24:10", "start_time": "24:09", "text": "As your coworkers." }, { "end_time": "24:10", "start_time": "24:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:18", "start_time": "24:10", "text": "And and and I think that, you know, failing is not a bad thing in life, you know, as long as you learn from it." }, { "end_time": "24:18", "start_time": "24:18", "text": "Yeah?" }, { "end_time": "24:21", "start_time": "24:19", "text": "And not we only hear about the success story." }, { "end_time": "24:22", "start_time": "24:21", "text": "We don't hear about failures." }, { "end_time": "24:25", "start_time": "24:23", "text": "But, you know, big people have also failed in life." }, { "end_time": "24:31", "start_time": "24:25", "text": "You know, Steve Jobs was thrown out over the job that he company that he created, but he came back to be successful." }, { "end_time": "24:33", "start_time": "24:31", "text": "And there are many stories like that." }, { "end_time": "24:35", "start_time": "24:33", "text": "There are great people who have done great stuff." }, { "end_time": "24:40", "start_time": "24:35", "text": "And looking down upon failure is probably not the right thing that we have learned now." }, { "end_time": "24:42", "start_time": "24:40", "text": "That is not the right thing." }, { "end_time": "24:47", "start_time": "24:42", "text": "It is something this is a part of the journey because you don't know the downsides of everything." }, { "end_time": "24:48", "start_time": "24:47", "text": "You learn a lot from it." }, { "end_time": "24:55", "start_time": "24:48", "text": "So it's important, you know, to learn from your failings and grow from it." }, { "end_time": "24:56", "start_time": "24:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:59", "start_time": "24:56", "text": "You know, you're also someone who's spoken to Jeff Bezos." }, { "end_time": "25:02", "start_time": "24:59", "text": "Like, you're at that kind of a leadership position at Amazon." }, { "end_time": "25:03", "start_time": "25:02", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "25:04", "start_time": "25:03", "text": "What's it like hanging out with him?" }, { "end_time": "25:06", "start_time": "25:04", "text": "What's made him the world's richest person?" }, { "end_time": "25:10", "start_time": "25:06", "text": "And what's his mentality that's trickled down all the layers of the Amazon organization?" }, { "end_time": "25:17", "start_time": "25:11", "text": "I think I mean, it it I will qualify it by a a little a little story of my interview." }, { "end_time": "25:33", "start_time": "25:17", "text": "And I interviewed with many people in Amazon, including the global expansion head and people in the us and teams across, and you know, pea and finally I was asked, so, you know, you are a famous designer." }, { "end_time": "25:34", "start_time": "25:33", "text": "You design for Mr." }, { "end_time": "25:36", "start_time": "25:34", "text": "Bachchan, Bollywood, Shah Rukh, everyone." }, { "end_time": "25:39", "start_time": "25:37", "text": "You've done this fashion film." }, { "end_time": "25:42", "start_time": "25:40", "text": "Why do you want why would you want to work with Amazon?" }, { "end_time": "26:00", "start_time": "25:42", "text": "You know, I think my my answer then really was qualifies what he was saying is what that organization believes in was as a creative director, I I was I told them how many people get a chance to change the way a 1000000000 people live." }, { "end_time": "26:00", "start_time": "26:00", "text": "Yeah?" }, { "end_time": "26:02", "start_time": "26:00", "text": "It's the perspective of your job." }, { "end_time": "26:06", "start_time": "26:02", "text": "It's the vision that you have for the role that you are playing in that company." }, { "end_time": "26:13", "start_time": "26:07", "text": "Always have a large vision, vision beyond what most people cannot comprehend." }, { "end_time": "26:14", "start_time": "26:13", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "26:17", "start_time": "26:14", "text": "And that's what really is Amazon." }, { "end_time": "26:27", "start_time": "26:17", "text": "Amazon is this single person's vision along working, of course, along with working with the whole team of people over many years or having a vision that was 20 years long." }, { "end_time": "26:28", "start_time": "26:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:37", "start_time": "26:28", "text": "But working at it every day with processes, structure analysis, everything in place." }, { "end_time": "26:41", "start_time": "26:37", "text": "You know, in Amazon, there's a great saying, it's always day 1." }, { "end_time": "26:41", "start_time": "26:41", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "26:42", "start_time": "26:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:45", "start_time": "26:42", "text": "Every day is day 1 and we still live day 1 every day." }, { "end_time": "26:46", "start_time": "26:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:58", "start_time": "26:46", "text": "And and I think that that is the greatness of that organization that it has meant You had a vision which started from a book to an to such a large place today in the world." }, { "end_time": "26:59", "start_time": "26:59", "text": "From book to book it." }, { "end_time": "27:00", "start_time": "26:59", "text": "What book was it?" }, { "end_time": "27:01", "start_time": "27:00", "text": "What book was it?" }, { "end_time": "27:02", "start_time": "27:01", "text": "Selling books, basically." }, { "end_time": "27:03", "start_time": "27:02", "text": "Oh, okay." }, { "end_time": "27:03", "start_time": "27:03", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "27:06", "start_time": "27:03", "text": "He mean Amazon began as a Books book company." }, { "end_time": "27:06", "start_time": "27:06", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "27:10", "start_time": "27:06", "text": "So, and that, and you can see that creativity." }, { "end_time": "27:14", "start_time": "27:10", "text": "You can see that, energy amongst the team members." }, { "end_time": "27:19", "start_time": "27:14", "text": "Everyone in the team is as energized when they think and talk about stuff like this." }, { "end_time": "27:23", "start_time": "27:19", "text": "But on a human level, what was in Jeff Bezos that took him that fight?" }, { "end_time": "27:24", "start_time": "27:23", "text": "Was it the same thing?" }, { "end_time": "27:24", "start_time": "27:24", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "27:28", "start_time": "27:24", "text": "But I I think it was one division, of course." }, { "end_time": "27:46", "start_time": "27:28", "text": "And the fact that, you know, there was value for people who worked with him, sharing and understanding value and building good structure where a sense of value was appreciated, by everybody and and the very fact that everybody had a voice." }, { "end_time": "27:47", "start_time": "27:46", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "27:51", "start_time": "27:47", "text": "And it would be heard, you know, from the lowest in the team to the highest in the team." }, { "end_time": "28:01", "start_time": "27:51", "text": "This is something, you know, great about Amazon is if somebody, even at the lowest level, asks you a question, you're obliged to answer and answer with respect." }, { "end_time": "28:06", "start_time": "28:01", "text": "You know, you cannot just say, okay, shoe." }, { "end_time": "28:06", "start_time": "28:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:07", "start_time": "28:06", "text": "This is my answer and just go." }, { "end_time": "28:10", "start_time": "28:07", "text": "You need to qualify everything you did your answer." }, { "end_time": "28:12", "start_time": "28:10", "text": "And I have learned a lot being there." }, { "end_time": "28:21", "start_time": "28:12", "text": "I have learned a lot being there, understanding the thought process and the openness that the organization is to bring." }, { "end_time": "28:24", "start_time": "28:21", "text": "So, yeah, I mean, I think that's what's trickled down from him." }, { "end_time": "28:31", "start_time": "28:24", "text": "Because from whatever you've told me about him, I feel like even he's that kind of guy who takes opinions, who takes other people's opinions despite being the world's richest person." }, { "end_time": "28:32", "start_time": "28:31", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "28:35", "start_time": "28:32", "text": "And I think that's a what's a great attribute to have as a person." }, { "end_time": "28:37", "start_time": "28:35", "text": "What's it like being in the same room as him?" }, { "end_time": "28:38", "start_time": "28:37", "text": "Is he like a rapid thing?" }, { "end_time": "28:39", "start_time": "28:39", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "28:47", "start_time": "28:39", "text": "I I think he's like an ordinary like you and me talking, understanding, probing, and getting a better understanding of the place." }, { "end_time": "28:51", "start_time": "28:47", "text": "That's I mean, that's what like any other person." }, { "end_time": "28:52", "start_time": "28:51", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "28:53", "start_time": "28:52", "text": "Does he wanna get even richer?" }, { "end_time": "28:55", "start_time": "28:53", "text": "Like, is that I don't." }, { "end_time": "28:56", "start_time": "28:55", "text": "I think he wants to do more." }, { "end_time": "29:00", "start_time": "28:56", "text": "I mean, richer is what is money at some point?" }, { "end_time": "29:02", "start_time": "29:00", "text": "You know, after a certain point." }, { "end_time": "29:09", "start_time": "29:02", "text": "I think the the like I come back to the fact that he's hungry to do more, which is amazing." }, { "end_time": "29:10", "start_time": "29:09", "text": "That's crazy." }, { "end_time": "29:10", "start_time": "29:10", "text": "You're like, you have no competition." }, { "end_time": "29:15", "start_time": "29:10", "text": "You have only your own glass ceiling to break." }, { "end_time": "29:15", "start_time": "29:15", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "29:18", "start_time": "29:15", "text": "So how do you keep stay motivated at that level?" }, { "end_time": "29:21", "start_time": "29:19", "text": "Hunger to do stuff." }, { "end_time": "29:21", "start_time": "29:21", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "29:23", "start_time": "29:22", "text": "Without any reference point." }, { "end_time": "29:24", "start_time": "29:23", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "29:24", "start_time": "29:24", "text": "That's crazy." }, { "end_time": "29:27", "start_time": "29:24", "text": "So, mister Narenda Kumar, thank you again." }, { "end_time": "29:28", "start_time": "29:27", "text": "Lovely to talk to you." }, { "end_time": "29:28", "start_time": "29:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:33", "start_time": "29:29", "text": "I've learned a lot from you, in terms of Hopefully, you'll be a better man." }, { "end_time": "29:34", "start_time": "29:33", "text": "I hope so too." }, { "end_time": "29:36", "start_time": "29:36", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "29:42", "start_time": "29:36", "text": "But seriously, I mean, like, talking to you sometimes gets a little heavy in a very positive way." }, { "end_time": "29:46", "start_time": "29:42", "text": "So I I always take I I would say that comes with age." }, { "end_time": "29:46", "start_time": "29:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:47", "start_time": "29:46", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "29:51", "start_time": "29:47", "text": "But we're we're hungry for this kind of information, these kind of experiences." }, { "end_time": "29:53", "start_time": "29:51", "text": "Because young people are aging faster than they used to before." }, { "end_time": "29:54", "start_time": "29:53", "text": "A 100%." }, { "end_time": "29:55", "start_time": "29:54", "text": "And I think that's sorry." }, { "end_time": "29:55", "start_time": "29:55", "text": "Growing up." }, { "end_time": "29:56", "start_time": "29:55", "text": "I'm joking." }, { "end_time": "30:00", "start_time": "29:57", "text": "I think it's one aging and growing up is one of the most beautiful things." }, { "end_time": "30:08", "start_time": "30:00", "text": "And, this talking to someone who's been there, done it, and is doing it still and is continuously growing is one of the best aspects of growing up." }, { "end_time": "30:09", "start_time": "30:08", "text": "I think so." }, { "end_time": "30:10", "start_time": "30:09", "text": "I mean, I learn every day." }, { "end_time": "30:12", "start_time": "30:10", "text": "So for me, this is learning also." }, { "end_time": "30:13", "start_time": "30:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:16", "start_time": "30:13", "text": "So anyway, guys, I'm gonna be linking Nari's handles down below." }, { "end_time": "30:18", "start_time": "30:16", "text": "So make sure you check it out in the description box." }, { "end_time": "30:20", "start_time": "30:18", "text": "Make sure you give him a follow." }, { "end_time": "30:25", "start_time": "30:20", "text": "And, make sure you give this episode of the Ranveer Show a like, share it with your friends." }, { "end_time": "30:27", "start_time": "30:25", "text": "And until next time, from missus Narendu Kumar." }, { "end_time": "30:27", "start_time": "30:27", "text": "Well, then." }, { "end_time": "30:28", "start_time": "30:27", "text": "Thank you so much." }, { "end_time": "30:30", "start_time": "30:29", "text": "Pleasure being here." }, { "end_time": "30:30", "start_time": "30:30", "text": "Likewise." }, { "end_time": "30:32", "start_time": "30:30", "text": "I mean, pleasure being on my own show." }, { "end_time": "30:36", "start_time": "30:33", "text": "From the main command and we'll we'll see you later from the Ranveer show." }, { "end_time": "30:38", "start_time": "30:36", "text": "Oh, this is the Ranveer show?" }, { "end_time": "30:38", "start_time": "30:38", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "30:40", "start_time": "30:38", "text": "Is that what I was talking about?" }, { "end_time": "30:41", "start_time": "30:40", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "30:41", "start_time": "30:41", "text": "Really?" }, { "end_time": "30:42", "start_time": "30:41", "text": "I didn't know that." }, { "end_time": "30:44", "start_time": "30:43", "text": "Just cancel everything." }, { "end_time": "30:45", "start_time": "30:45", "text": "Delete." }, { "end_time": "30:45", "start_time": "30:45", "text": "Delete." }, { "end_time": "30:46", "start_time": "30:45", "text": "Delete." }, { "end_time": "30:47", "start_time": "30:47", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "30:48", "start_time": "30:47", "text": "See you guys." } ] }

[ { "content": "**Task Description:** \nYou are provided with a YouTube video transcript in JSON format, where each entry is synchronized with its respective timestamp. This transcript contains the spoken text along with its start and end times. Your objective is to generate high-quality, chapter-wise segments that accurately represent key points or transitions within the video.\n\n**Transcript JSON Format:** \nThe transcript is formatted as a list of dictionaries, where each dictionary represents a spoken sentence, including its text and corresponding start and end times.\n\n**Example Transcript:** \n```json\n[\n {\n \"text\": \"The narrative in the public eye is that you left working with the Modi government because your opinions weren't heard.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:07\"\n },\n {\n \"text\": \"I want to know your side of the story.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:08\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:10\"\n },\n ...\n]\n```\n\n**Your Task:** \nUsing the given transcript, generate a JSON output that breaks down the video into meaningful chapters. Each chapter should encapsulate a key segment of the video and be accompanied by a concise, informative title that reflects the essence of that segment.\n\n**Chapter JSON Format:** \nThe output should follow this structure:\n```json\n{\n \"chapters\": [\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"title\": \"Introduction and Opening Remarks\"\n },\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:07\",\n \"title\": \"Discussing the Exit from Modi Government\"\n },\n ...\n ]\n}\n```\n\n**Requirements:** \n1. **Identify Key Segments:** Extract significant portions of the transcript that represent shifts in topic, important discussions, or transitions in conversation.\n2. **Craft Informative Titles:** Each chapter title should be clear, engaging, and directly related to the content covered in that segment.\n3. **Preserve Time Stamps:** Ensure that each chapter's `start_time` corresponds to the first instance of a key topic or segment in the transcript.\n4. **Conciseness is Key:** While titles should be descriptive, avoid making them overly lengthy. Aim for a balance between informativeness and brevity.", "role": "system" }, { "content": "{'transcripts': array([{'end_time': '0:08', 'start_time': '0:00', 'text': \"Narendar Kumar or Nari as most people know him is one of the most influential people in the world of men's fashion in today's day and age.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:17', 'start_time': '0:08', 'text': \"He's been voted as one of the top 50 menswear designers, and today he's heading the creative aspect of the entire vertical called Amazon fashion.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:24', 'start_time': '0:17', 'text': \"He's interacted with Jeff Bezos and Jeff Bezos is just one of the 1,000,000 successful people that this man has interacted with.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:26', 'start_time': '0:24', 'text': \"He's learned from all of them.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:28', 'start_time': '0:26', 'text': \"He's a crazily voracious reader.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:34', 'start_time': '0:29', 'text': 'This conversation of the Rani show is going to add a lot of information into your mind.'},\n {'end_time': '0:43', 'start_time': '0:34', 'text': \"We're also gonna touch upon what makes a human being more attractive and you know what More than the information, there's a lot of classiness to be gained from this man.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:48', 'start_time': '0:43', 'text': 'So without further ado, enjoy Narendur Kumar on the Ranveer show.'},\n {'end_time': '1:02', 'start_time': '0:55', 'text': 'One of the best things about my own career, one of my biggest blessings is that this YouTuber slash entrepreneur tag opens up a lot of doors.'},\n {'end_time': '1:05', 'start_time': '1:02', 'text': \"I'm very fortunate to have met Narendu Kumar.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:05', 'start_time': '1:05', 'text': 'Pleasure.'},\n {'end_time': '1:06', 'start_time': '1:06', 'text': 'Nare?'},\n {'end_time': '1:07', 'start_time': '1:06', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '1:09', 'start_time': '1:07', 'text': 'Proud to call you somewhat of a mentor to me.'},\n {'end_time': '1:10', 'start_time': '1:09', 'text': 'Glad to be 1.'},\n {'end_time': '1:14', 'start_time': '1:11', 'text': \"Proud to also I didn't know that, but glad to be 1.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:15', 'start_time': '1:14', 'text': 'Well, you are.'},\n {'end_time': '1:18', 'start_time': '1:15', 'text': 'Proud to also, know you as a fellow.'},\n {'end_time': '1:20', 'start_time': '1:19', 'text': \"I'd like to call it bachelor.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:21', 'start_time': '1:20', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '1:24', 'start_time': '1:21', 'text': \"You are in a relationship, but you're an unmarried 49 year old person.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:25', 'start_time': '1:24', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '1:26', 'start_time': '1:25', 'text': \"And you don't see that a lot in India?\"},\n {'end_time': '1:28', 'start_time': '1:27', 'text': \"You don't see that.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:29', 'start_time': '1:28', 'text': \"That's by choice.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:29', 'start_time': '1:29', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '1:30', 'start_time': '1:29', 'text': \"And That's by choice.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:34', 'start_time': '1:30', 'text': 'Some of our most interesting conversations have been about relationships, about partying Right.'},\n {'end_time': '1:39', 'start_time': '1:34', 'text': \"But also about how you've landed the country's most desired creative job.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:39', 'start_time': '1:39', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '1:42', 'start_time': '1:39', 'text': \"You're the head of, creatives.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:43', 'start_time': '1:42', 'text': 'For Amazon Fashion.'},\n {'end_time': '1:44', 'start_time': '1:43', 'text': 'For Amazon Fashion.'},\n {'end_time': '1:45', 'start_time': '1:45', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '1:45', 'start_time': '1:45', 'text': 'Glad to be there.'},\n {'end_time': '1:47', 'start_time': '1:45', 'text': 'Nice to be there from the very beginning.'},\n {'end_time': '1:51', 'start_time': '1:47', 'text': \"And you're considered one of the world's top 50 fashion designers.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:51', 'start_time': '1:51', 'text': 'Menswear designers.'},\n {'end_time': '1:52', 'start_time': '1:51', 'text': 'Menswear designers.'},\n {'end_time': '1:53', 'start_time': '1:52', 'text': 'You crushed that.'},\n {'end_time': '1:54', 'start_time': '1:53', 'text': \"And you're talking to menswear YouTuber.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:58', 'start_time': '1:54', 'text': \"So we're gonna be tackling all these topics through this podcast.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:59', 'start_time': '1:58', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '1:59', 'start_time': '1:59', 'text': 'Look forward to it.'},\n {'end_time': '2:00', 'start_time': '1:59', 'text': 'Go for it.'},\n {'end_time': '2:09', 'start_time': '2:00', 'text': 'So I wanna ask you, man, how did you go from being an everyday average sports playing Bombay kid to being up there?'},\n {'end_time': '2:09', 'start_time': '2:09', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '2:11', 'start_time': '2:10', 'text': 'I mean, a long journey.'},\n {'end_time': '2:17', 'start_time': '2:11', 'text': 'I mean, you know, I was really not that great at studies and education was really not my forte.'},\n {'end_time': '2:20', 'start_time': '2:17', 'text': \"I didn't I didn't do so great when it came to my university.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:23', 'start_time': '2:20', 'text': 'Really did badly actually passed by copying.'},\n {'end_time': '2:25', 'start_time': '2:23', 'text': 'If I have to say that right now.'},\n {'end_time': '2:35', 'start_time': '2:25', 'text': 'But, I think in I was quite lost for many years until I really found my calling when I was 26, 27.'},\n {'end_time': '2:38', 'start_time': '2:36', 'text': 'What did you do from 21 to 26?'},\n {'end_time': '2:44', 'start_time': '2:38', 'text': 'My my first job was selling photocopies at 10 paisa and 15 paisa from office to office in Nariman Point.'},\n {'end_time': '2:46', 'start_time': '2:44', 'text': 'Were you that guy in the Xerox shop?'},\n {'end_time': '2:46', 'start_time': '2:46', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '2:47', 'start_time': '2:46', 'text': 'Exactly.'},\n {'end_time': '2:47', 'start_time': '2:47', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '2:49', 'start_time': '2:48', 'text': 'Packed that and gave it to people.'},\n {'end_time': '2:56', 'start_time': '2:50', 'text': 'And then I think my parents felt a little bad for me and they said I should get they should get me a more respectable job kind of stuff.'},\n {'end_time': '3:03', 'start_time': '2:57', 'text': 'And, I got a job selling glass bottles like milk bottles and I did that for about 5, 6 years.'},\n {'end_time': '3:10', 'start_time': '3:03', 'text': 'And then I heard this school, NIFT, National Institute of Fashion Technology, opening up.'},\n {'end_time': '3:17', 'start_time': '3:10', 'text': \"And they looked for 1 year's, they looked for either a first class in graduation or a year's experience in the industry.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:18', 'start_time': '3:17', 'text': 'I had neither.'},\n {'end_time': '3:24', 'start_time': '3:19', 'text': 'And so I quit my job the day I got to know about it and life took on from then.'},\n {'end_time': '3:25', 'start_time': '3:24', 'text': 'You always liked clothes?'},\n {'end_time': '3:26', 'start_time': '3:25', 'text': 'You liked fashion?'},\n {'end_time': '3:27', 'start_time': '3:26', 'text': 'I did.'},\n {'end_time': '3:31', 'start_time': '3:27', 'text': 'I mean, I did like fashion from the very beginning.'},\n {'end_time': '3:34', 'start_time': '3:31', 'text': 'I remember the first time, maybe I was in my 10th standard or so.'},\n {'end_time': '3:38', 'start_time': '3:35', 'text': 'I used to alter my clothes, my own clothes for the fit and the shape.'},\n {'end_time': '3:43', 'start_time': '3:38', 'text': \"I used to use my mother's hand sewing machine to play around with the shapes and fits of clothing.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:48', 'start_time': '3:44', 'text': 'But, then there were no school, real schools to, for boys to learn fashion in.'},\n {'end_time': '3:49', 'start_time': '3:48', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '3:49', 'start_time': '3:49', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '3:50', 'start_time': '3:49', 'text': 'The only girls schools.'},\n {'end_time': '3:50', 'start_time': '3:50', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '3:55', 'start_time': '3:51', 'text': 'And fashion was not considered a career for, boys at that time.'},\n {'end_time': '3:55', 'start_time': '3:55', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '3:56', 'start_time': '3:55', 'text': 'How do you climb up the ranks?'},\n {'end_time': '4:00', 'start_time': '3:56', 'text': \"How do you become one of the world's 50 top fashion designers?\"},\n {'end_time': '4:08', 'start_time': '4:00', 'text': 'I tell myself that I think to put it simply is I tell myself I told myself when I finished fashion school that I should be the best.'},\n {'end_time': '4:10', 'start_time': '4:08', 'text': 'I just kept the bar really high.'},\n {'end_time': '4:14', 'start_time': '4:10', 'text': 'So I said to myself, I should be the best in the world and nothing less.'},\n {'end_time': '4:21', 'start_time': '4:14', 'text': 'But I also knew that it was a very difficult task for a menswear design for a designer in India to reach on to the top kind of stuff.'},\n {'end_time': '4:27', 'start_time': '4:21', 'text': 'And but what I did is put my head down and worked at it every single day of my life.'},\n {'end_time': '4:32', 'start_time': '4:27', 'text': 'Every single day of my career, I looked at creating the best that I could.'},\n {'end_time': '4:37', 'start_time': '4:34', 'text': 'Always fascinated by something nice that I would do.'},\n {'end_time': '4:45', 'start_time': '4:37', 'text': 'It would be something that would lift me to such great heights, and take me past all my depression.'},\n {'end_time': '4:46', 'start_time': '4:46', 'text': 'All your depression?'},\n {'end_time': '4:47', 'start_time': '4:46', 'text': 'All my depression.'},\n {'end_time': '4:47', 'start_time': '4:47', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '4:48', 'start_time': '4:47', 'text': 'Take us through that.'},\n {'end_time': '4:51', 'start_time': '4:48', 'text': \"Because a lot of, you know, depression's always been around.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:51', 'start_time': '4:51', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '4:56', 'start_time': '4:51', 'text': \"But it's just that because of social media and the modern day, it's been highlighted a lot more by young people.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:56', 'start_time': '4:56', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '4:59', 'start_time': '4:56', 'text': \"It's highlighted more and it's seen as a disease.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:59', 'start_time': '4:59', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '5:06', 'start_time': '4:59', 'text': \"But, you know, I don't know if it is true and I'm not qualified to say if it's a disease or not.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:14', 'start_time': '5:06', 'text': 'But I look at both the high and the low, the depression for being that inspired me, that drove me every day.'},\n {'end_time': '5:15', 'start_time': '5:14', 'text': 'It was a teacher.'},\n {'end_time': '5:20', 'start_time': '5:15', 'text': 'It was it was a teacher, actually, yeah, from the age of it was not just a teacher.'},\n {'end_time': '5:28', 'start_time': '5:20', 'text': 'I think it was a lesson learned in life very much early, that my parents took me to these lectures by Krishnamurthi, Jay Krishnamurthi.'},\n {'end_time': '5:37', 'start_time': '5:29', 'text': \"And that's where I got of understanding that, you know, you're really not much in control of what is going to happen to your life.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:41', 'start_time': '5:38', 'text': 'The only thing you can do is live it, you know.'},\n {'end_time': '5:45', 'start_time': '5:41', 'text': 'Of course, you can plan it but your plans might not go the way you want to.'},\n {'end_time': '5:49', 'start_time': '5:45', 'text': 'And so it allowed me to deal with the highs and the lows in the same manner.'},\n {'end_time': '5:53', 'start_time': '5:49', 'text': 'And therefore, both the high and the low were inspiring.'},\n {'end_time': '6:01', 'start_time': '5:53', 'text': \"And I've created great shows, ideas from being depressed and also from being high.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:04', 'start_time': '6:01', 'text': 'Like could you give an example of something you learned from J.'},\n {'end_time': '6:06', 'start_time': '6:04', 'text': 'Krishnamurti that stayed with you?'},\n {'end_time': '6:16', 'start_time': '6:06', 'text': 'I mean, I think that, that there is no great authority in life, a God kind of spirit.'},\n {'end_time': '6:25', 'start_time': '6:16', 'text': 'It is about how you deal with everyday life and how you look at life everyday and how you deal with your next person, the person you meet.'},\n {'end_time': '6:34', 'start_time': '6:25', 'text': 'And really, that is where apparently the godliness comes in is how you deal with the next person you meet or the people you see.'},\n {'end_time': '6:40', 'start_time': '6:34', 'text': 'And, that to me has really been a driving idea through my career and through my life.'},\n {'end_time': '6:41', 'start_time': '6:40', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '6:47', 'start_time': '6:41', 'text': \"Also with successful people, especially people like you who've done different things and been successful in different things.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:49', 'start_time': '6:47', 'text': \"I'm sure you have like this core formula that you follow.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:50', 'start_time': '6:49', 'text': 'You know, like, okay, work hard.'},\n {'end_time': '6:51', 'start_time': '6:50', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '6:52', 'start_time': '6:51', 'text': 'Keep learning about this industry.'},\n {'end_time': '6:53', 'start_time': '6:52', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '6:54', 'start_time': '6:53', 'text': 'And maybe that x factor.'},\n {'end_time': '6:55', 'start_time': '6:54', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '7:02', 'start_time': '6:55', 'text': 'The x factor was just, you know, if I were to describe my life, I mean, that x factor would be no review.'},\n {'end_time': '7:03', 'start_time': '7:02', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '7:07', 'start_time': '7:03', 'text': \"I've always wanted to expand on every aspect of what I do.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:11', 'start_time': '7:07', 'text': 'And when I did fashion, I also taught in fashion school.'},\n {'end_time': '7:13', 'start_time': '7:11', 'text': 'I was also a fashion journalist.'},\n {'end_time': '7:14', 'start_time': '7:13', 'text': \"I've done photography.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:22', 'start_time': '7:15', 'text': 'I told myself that I should be trained in every aspect of that function or that career, you know.'},\n {'end_time': '7:28', 'start_time': '7:22', 'text': 'Most people just become designers and just remain designers for 30, 40 years in their life.'},\n {'end_time': '7:29', 'start_time': '7:28', 'text': \"I couldn't do that.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:32', 'start_time': '7:29', 'text': 'I wanted to know every aspect of design from styling.'},\n {'end_time': '7:33', 'start_time': '7:32', 'text': \"I don't know if you guys know.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:38', 'start_time': '7:33', 'text': \"We style India's most seminal film on fashion called fashion.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:39', 'start_time': '7:38', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '7:41', 'start_time': '7:39', 'text': 'With Priyanka Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '7:44', 'start_time': '7:41', 'text': 'And Kangana and Moogda and people.'},\n {'end_time': '7:53', 'start_time': '7:45', 'text': 'And, so I I had this need to know every aspect of the work that I was doing.'},\n {'end_time': '7:58', 'start_time': '7:53', 'text': 'So it never what it did was it kept me independent, at least at a top view.'},\n {'end_time': '8:02', 'start_time': '7:58', 'text': \"Maybe I didn't do everything at the same time, but at least I knew what I wanted.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:07', 'start_time': '8:02', 'text': \"And probably that's what really helped me, bring these things.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:10', 'start_time': '8:07', 'text': 'And I used all of them and everything.'},\n {'end_time': '8:19', 'start_time': '8:10', 'text': 'And I tell myself that everything that I have learned through my life has always been helpful because somewhere or the other, it has come.'},\n {'end_time': '8:26', 'start_time': '8:19', 'text': 'It has been of help whether it is my personal life or how I see it or how I execute my ideas.'},\n {'end_time': '8:28', 'start_time': '8:26', 'text': 'They say knowledge is never wasted.'},\n {'end_time': '8:29', 'start_time': '8:28', 'text': 'It is absolutely agree.'},\n {'end_time': '8:31', 'start_time': '8:29', 'text': 'And all knowledge is great knowledge.'},\n {'end_time': '8:31', 'start_time': '8:31', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '8:33', 'start_time': '8:31', 'text': \"You're also someone who reads a lot.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:33', 'start_time': '8:33', 'text': 'I do.'},\n {'end_time': '8:37', 'start_time': '8:33', 'text': \"And I know you as a person and you're the kind of person who reads again to add layers to their mind.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:38', 'start_time': '8:37', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '8:45', 'start_time': '8:38', 'text': 'I mean, I I think there are reading is a way of understanding how other people think.'},\n {'end_time': '8:48', 'start_time': '8:45', 'text': 'And you know, to grow yourself, you relate to other people.'},\n {'end_time': '8:54', 'start_time': '8:48', 'text': 'And therefore, without understanding them, it becomes difficult to relate to people on this on life.'},\n {'end_time': '8:55', 'start_time': '8:54', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '8:58', 'start_time': '8:55', 'text': \"You know, with my generation, a lot of people don't read.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:58', 'start_time': '8:58', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '9:00', 'start_time': '8:58', 'text': 'But there are people who are hungry for knowledge.'},\n {'end_time': '9:03', 'start_time': '9:00', 'text': 'So things like this podcast have become our versions of books.'},\n {'end_time': '9:04', 'start_time': '9:03', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '9:13', 'start_time': '9:04', 'text': 'So, I think the difference between books and podcasts is that books, you go and you scan the subconscious mind and the conscious mind of the writer, the author.'},\n {'end_time': '9:13', 'start_time': '9:13', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '9:16', 'start_time': '9:13', 'text': \"But with podcasts, you're getting a larger quantity of information that's spread out.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:17', 'start_time': '9:16', 'text': \"You're not going as deep.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:21', 'start_time': '9:17', 'text': \"You're getting a lot of So I read multiple books at the same time.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:24', 'start_time': '9:21', 'text': 'I read 6 different books on different subjects, you know?'},\n {'end_time': '9:39', 'start_time': '9:25', 'text': \"And I recently saw in apparently a documentary film on how you expand your brain, how your neurons fire when you're doing multiple things as opposed to doing just a single thing, you know.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:43', 'start_time': '9:40', 'text': 'It has happened all along and this was just a confirmation.'},\n {'end_time': '9:49', 'start_time': '9:44', 'text': \"But it's not like I would read a book from page 1 to page to the last page.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:52', 'start_time': '9:49', 'text': 'I mean, I go back to books in different stages.'},\n {'end_time': '10:01', 'start_time': '9:52', 'text': 'And the most important thing is picking out the essence of the book because you know the author has spent a lot of time qualifying that thought.'},\n {'end_time': '10:03', 'start_time': '10:01', 'text': 'There is a single line.'},\n {'end_time': '10:08', 'start_time': '10:03', 'text': 'If you can collapse a book into 5 lines, that is really the essence of the book, you know.'},\n {'end_time': '10:15', 'start_time': '10:08', 'text': 'And to me always, yeah, more important than what somebody has done in their lives like artists for instance.'},\n {'end_time': '10:23', 'start_time': '10:15', 'text': 'It was always important to me to understand how they grew up, what their influences were, and how did they think.'},\n {'end_time': '10:35', 'start_time': '10:23', 'text': 'Because for me, it gives me a way to adapt their thought process into my own world instead of just repeating what they have done physically and convert it into my world.'},\n {'end_time': '10:39', 'start_time': '10:35', 'text': 'So it gives me a deeper method of thinking.'},\n {'end_time': '10:46', 'start_time': '10:39', 'text': 'And I was always interested by the method of the thought rather than the final thought itself.'},\n {'end_time': '10:47', 'start_time': '10:46', 'text': \"What's the thought?\"},\n {'end_time': '10:47', 'start_time': '10:47', 'text': 'Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '10:48', 'start_time': '10:47', 'text': 'Beautiful.'},\n {'end_time': '10:52', 'start_time': '10:48', 'text': 'So straight off the top of your head, 3 books that were like life changing for you?'},\n {'end_time': '10:56', 'start_time': '10:53', 'text': 'You know, different books have influenced me In different ways.'},\n {'end_time': '10:57', 'start_time': '10:56', 'text': 'In different.'},\n {'end_time': '11:01', 'start_time': '10:57', 'text': \"I think number 1 was, Krishnamurti's book, The Awakening of Intelligence.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:02', 'start_time': '11:01', 'text': 'J Krishnamurti.'},\n {'end_time': '11:04', 'start_time': '11:02', 'text': \"J Krishnamurti's book of the awakening of intelligence.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:15', 'start_time': '11:05', 'text': 'And the other book was the atheist guide to reality, living life without illusions by Alex Rosenberg, which is absolutely a fantastic, fantastic view of why we are here as human beings on this earth.'},\n {'end_time': '11:20', 'start_time': '11:15', 'text': 'And what is the purpose that we did?'},\n {'end_time': '11:29', 'start_time': '11:24', 'text': 'And it says there is no real purpose to our lives, but since we are here, we should make the most of it.'},\n {'end_time': '11:30', 'start_time': '11:29', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '11:35', 'start_time': '11:30', 'text': 'And I think the third one is called the antidote, by Oliver Berkman.'},\n {'end_time': '11:43', 'start_time': '11:36', 'text': 'And that talks about for those, for people who, and the byline says for people who hate positive thinking.'},\n {'end_time': '12:00', 'start_time': '11:44', 'text': \"And I think it's a real great view, because positive thinking was created, in the 6 in the fifties and sixties in America for people to get over the war and depression and live in the future and escape what they were living then, you know.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:06', 'start_time': '12:00', 'text': 'Today, if you look at the millennials and Gen Z, everybody wants to live the moment, You know?'},\n {'end_time': '12:14', 'start_time': '12:06', 'text': \"This positive thinking of like, oh, I want to live what I'm going to live 20 years from now, live and believe that I'm going to work towards that.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:17', 'start_time': '12:14', 'text': \"I don't know how relevant it is Today.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:17', 'start_time': '12:17', 'text': \"In today's world.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:18', 'start_time': '12:17', 'text': \"I think it's coming back.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:19', 'start_time': '12:18', 'text': \"It's making a huge comeback.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:30', 'start_time': '12:19', 'text': \"So I I think that, you know, contrary, I feel that, you know, positive thinking, is, in today's world, people want to live today more than today.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:37', 'start_time': '12:30', 'text': \"And you look at, and that's the reason why everybody has 15 different things that they do don't last in a job for 6 months or 8 months.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:38', 'start_time': '12:37', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '12:42', 'start_time': '12:38', 'text': \"So people are finding they're searching for what makes them happy.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:44', 'start_time': '12:42', 'text': \"And sometimes small things don't make them happy.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:48', 'start_time': '12:44', 'text': 'You know, positive thinking is just live like you are happy today.'},\n {'end_time': '12:49', 'start_time': '12:48', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '12:49', 'start_time': '12:49', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '12:53', 'start_time': '12:49', 'text': 'And it might not be there but just live about think about it today.'},\n {'end_time': '12:56', 'start_time': '12:53', 'text': \"You're living in the future and you really don't want to do that.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:01', 'start_time': '12:56', 'text': \"And for most young people I know, they want to do things now because there's lots to do.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:04', 'start_time': '13:02', 'text': 'Why did you not get married through all this?'},\n {'end_time': '13:13', 'start_time': '13:06', 'text': 'I think that marriage is signing a paper is never an important issue for me.'},\n {'end_time': '13:14', 'start_time': '13:13', 'text': 'It was commitment.'},\n {'end_time': '13:21', 'start_time': '13:14', 'text': 'And commitment is what is really important, commitment to your work, commitment to your partner, commitment to all of that.'},\n {'end_time': '13:23', 'start_time': '13:21', 'text': 'Those are important things, you know.'},\n {'end_time': '13:26', 'start_time': '13:23', 'text': 'And a paper does not qualify that.'},\n {'end_time': '13:27', 'start_time': '13:26', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '13:36', 'start_time': '13:28', 'text': 'I have been through a lot in my life and I have been through, I have been with partners, which are really long.'},\n {'end_time': '13:38', 'start_time': '13:36', 'text': 'I have a partner for many years now.'},\n {'end_time': '13:43', 'start_time': '13:38', 'text': 'All of that kind of stuff and and business partner, work partner, all of that kind of stuff.'},\n {'end_time': '13:51', 'start_time': '13:43', 'text': 'And I think that, it is commitment that is really the most important thing.'},\n {'end_time': '13:55', 'start_time': '13:51', 'text': 'You know, you could have signed that paper and not be committed to.'},\n {'end_time': '13:55', 'start_time': '13:55', 'text': 'Yeah?'},\n {'end_time': '13:58', 'start_time': '13:55', 'text': 'So for me, I never looked at it as an important aspect.'},\n {'end_time': '13:59', 'start_time': '13:58', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '14:02', 'start_time': '13:59', 'text': 'Like, but did you see marriages fail around you as well?'},\n {'end_time': '14:03', 'start_time': '14:02', 'text': 'Like your friends and things like that?'},\n {'end_time': '14:08', 'start_time': '14:03', 'text': 'But I would still not use that as a qualification as to why I never got married.'},\n {'end_time': '14:08', 'start_time': '14:08', 'text': \"I I don't.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:09', 'start_time': '14:08', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '14:12', 'start_time': '14:09', 'text': 'But from an external perspective, as an observer, why?'},\n {'end_time': '14:14', 'start_time': '14:12', 'text': 'I think the pressures are a lot.'},\n {'end_time': '14:14', 'start_time': '14:14', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '14:15', 'start_time': '14:14', 'text': 'Expectations are a lot.'},\n {'end_time': '14:17', 'start_time': '14:16', 'text': \"That's why the marriage is Today I mean, yeah.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:23', 'start_time': '14:17', 'text': 'Because, you know, you are open today to so many influences that were never there before in your life.'},\n {'end_time': '14:24', 'start_time': '14:23', 'text': 'For example?'},\n {'end_time': '14:41', 'start_time': '14:24', 'text': \"I mean, people that you meet, careers that you want, travel that you want to do, and it's difficult to find people with both the same level of expectations and somebody who would probably encourage you in your own journey.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:41', 'start_time': '14:41', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '14:42', 'start_time': '14:41', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '14:47', 'start_time': '14:42', 'text': 'And a lot of people look within themselves rather than look to others to help others and put people out.'},\n {'end_time': '14:48', 'start_time': '14:47', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '14:55', 'start_time': '14:49', 'text': 'And I think that the pressure is lot more, you know, there are a lot more things to do, a lot more things to achieve.'},\n {'end_time': '15:06', 'start_time': '14:56', 'text': 'And unless you have this commitment of taking each other along or multiple people along, it finds it very difficult to get through a long relationship.'},\n {'end_time': '15:07', 'start_time': '15:07', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '15:09', 'start_time': '15:07', 'text': 'And have you seen any successful long relationship?'},\n {'end_time': '15:10', 'start_time': '15:09', 'text': 'Of course, I have.'},\n {'end_time': '15:12', 'start_time': '15:10', 'text': 'My parents were married for the longest time.'},\n {'end_time': '15:12', 'start_time': '15:12', 'text': 'Ever do.'},\n {'end_time': '15:12', 'start_time': '15:12', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '15:19', 'start_time': '15:13', 'text': 'But my I mean, I think that, they committed and respected each other.'},\n {'end_time': '15:22', 'start_time': '15:19', 'text': 'They knew that each one qualified their life.'},\n {'end_time': '15:26', 'start_time': '15:22', 'text': 'They were friends first before they got married more than anything else.'},\n {'end_time': '15:31', 'start_time': '15:26', 'text': \"I mean, it's not to say that you have not to be friends to you can be strangers and you can get together.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:35', 'start_time': '15:31', 'text': 'You can explore and you can find out each other in the journey as you get along.'},\n {'end_time': '15:37', 'start_time': '15:35', 'text': 'And that itself is a great thing, you know?'},\n {'end_time': '15:46', 'start_time': '15:37', 'text': 'So there are lots of successful people, but you also hear of a lot of things that go, awry when it comes to relationships and marriages.'},\n {'end_time': '15:50', 'start_time': '15:48', 'text': \"And I'm no judge for this.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:54', 'start_time': '15:50', 'text': 'What advice do you have for people in their twenties, both in terms of relationships and both?'},\n {'end_time': '16:03', 'start_time': '15:54', 'text': 'I think that, relationships can nurture you a lot and can destroy you also.'},\n {'end_time': '16:04', 'start_time': '16:03', 'text': 'Yeah?'},\n {'end_time': '16:12', 'start_time': '16:05', 'text': 'You need to be able to you need to be mindful of what, relationships are and how it is nurturing you.'},\n {'end_time': '16:16', 'start_time': '16:12', 'text': 'I mean, nurturing cannot be selfish, cannot be just about you.'},\n {'end_time': '16:23', 'start_time': '16:16', 'text': 'It also depends on how you nurture the other person because that is what is a nourishing relationship where you can nurture each other Kind of person.'},\n {'end_time': '16:25', 'start_time': '16:23', 'text': 'In the ways that you wanna do.'},\n {'end_time': '16:36', 'start_time': '16:25', 'text': 'As far as careers are concerned, you know, today, there has never been a time like this over the last 200 years of our industrial revolution, you know.'},\n {'end_time': '16:43', 'start_time': '16:37', 'text': 'We learn today our parents learn today from generation to generation.'},\n {'end_time': '16:44', 'start_time': '16:43', 'text': 'They grew up.'},\n {'end_time': '16:45', 'start_time': '16:44', 'text': 'Their parents taught them.'},\n {'end_time': '16:45', 'start_time': '16:45', 'text': 'Their father taught them.'},\n {'end_time': '16:49', 'start_time': '16:45', 'text': \"They're the values and they spoke about careers to their children, you know.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:57', 'start_time': '16:49', 'text': 'And they said, I mean, 100 years or 50 years ago, when someone said, oh, doctor Banjo because that is great for you in life.'},\n {'end_time': '17:00', 'start_time': '16:58', 'text': 'You did it because that was a choice.'},\n {'end_time': '17:06', 'start_time': '17:00', 'text': 'Today, I think the other real important thing is how health has improved over life.'},\n {'end_time': '17:06', 'start_time': '17:06', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '17:16', 'start_time': '17:06', 'text': 'Earlier people told you generation in the past, people told you that you have to do and build your career from the age of, say, 21, 22 to 60.'},\n {'end_time': '17:18', 'start_time': '17:16', 'text': 'And then you are retired, you know.'},\n {'end_time': '17:22', 'start_time': '17:18', 'text': 'And then you have to save for the next part of your life.'},\n {'end_time': '17:25', 'start_time': '17:22', 'text': 'The age in the future is not going to be limited to 60.'},\n {'end_time': '17:27', 'start_time': '17:25', 'text': 'You know, people are already living till their eighties.'},\n {'end_time': '17:30', 'start_time': '17:27', 'text': 'In another 20 years, they will live up to a 100.'},\n {'end_time': '17:32', 'start_time': '17:30', 'text': \"And you probably will have to work until you're 80.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:37', 'start_time': '17:32', 'text': 'And you will be in good health and good, you know, kind of stuff because all of that is improving.'},\n {'end_time': '17:38', 'start_time': '17:37', 'text': 'Healthcare is improving.'},\n {'end_time': '17:39', 'start_time': '17:38', 'text': 'Life is improving.'},\n {'end_time': '17:41', 'start_time': '17:39', 'text': 'Standards are improving for everybody, you know?'},\n {'end_time': '17:43', 'start_time': '17:41', 'text': 'So people will live longer.'},\n {'end_time': '17:47', 'start_time': '17:43', 'text': 'And in in that situation, how do you measure your life?'},\n {'end_time': '17:53', 'start_time': '17:48', 'text': 'You know, do you want to become a CEO by within 15 years of your career?'},\n {'end_time': '17:55', 'start_time': '17:53', 'text': 'Do you want to be an entrepreneur?'},\n {'end_time': '17:56', 'start_time': '17:55', 'text': 'What do you want to be?'},\n {'end_time': '17:58', 'start_time': '17:56', 'text': 'Because what do you do after that?'},\n {'end_time': '18:01', 'start_time': '17:58', 'text': 'You know, there are not millions and millions of CEOs.'},\n {'end_time': '18:05', 'start_time': '18:01', 'text': 'There are only a limited amount of jobs that go with that.'},\n {'end_time': '18:17', 'start_time': '18:06', 'text': 'You know, how do you maintain or sustain your interest in one thing or the next 40, 50, 60 years is a difficult thing also for people, you know.'},\n {'end_time': '18:25', 'start_time': '18:17', 'text': \"So, that's where people need to think, you know, I would say that it is a steady climb instead of a vertical climb when it comes to careers.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:33', 'start_time': '18:26', 'text': 'I think that as you build your career, you got to know today every aspect of your career, you know?'},\n {'end_time': '18:39', 'start_time': '18:34', 'text': 'I mean, you cannot be just a, a master of 1.'},\n {'end_time': '18:49', 'start_time': '18:39', 'text': 'You need to be a master of 1, which is the basis of your career, but you need to be a Jack of all other stuff because today is the age of the entrepreneur.'},\n {'end_time': '18:53', 'start_time': '18:49', 'text': 'And to be an entrepreneur, you need to know something about everything.'},\n {'end_time': '18:53', 'start_time': '18:53', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '18:54', 'start_time': '18:53', 'text': '100%.'},\n {'end_time': '18:54', 'start_time': '18:54', 'text': 'Yeah?'},\n {'end_time': '18:58', 'start_time': '18:54', 'text': 'You also you work with a lot of young people in your Amazon team.'},\n {'end_time': '18:58', 'start_time': '18:58', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '19:03', 'start_time': '18:58', 'text': \"So I'm sure in your hiring process, you're hiring people with that little kind of mentality of you look for certain things.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:04', 'start_time': '19:03', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '19:05', 'start_time': '19:04', 'text': 'What do you look for in that hot prospect?'},\n {'end_time': '19:15', 'start_time': '19:06', 'text': \"I think that, you know, looking for people in is you're looking at a place where you think about the new work culture.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:18', 'start_time': '19:15', 'text': 'You think about millennials and how they work.'},\n {'end_time': '19:19', 'start_time': '19:18', 'text': \"How you're going to foster?\"},\n {'end_time': '19:21', 'start_time': '19:19', 'text': \"How you're going to help them?\"},\n {'end_time': '19:23', 'start_time': '19:21', 'text': \"How you're going to nurture them into their careers?\"},\n {'end_time': '19:26', 'start_time': '19:23', 'text': 'And the kind of backgrounds they come with, you know?'},\n {'end_time': '19:27', 'start_time': '19:26', 'text': 'Are you a free thinker?'},\n {'end_time': '19:28', 'start_time': '19:27', 'text': 'Are you independent?'},\n {'end_time': '19:30', 'start_time': '19:28', 'text': 'Do you follow processes?'},\n {'end_time': '19:33', 'start_time': '19:31', 'text': 'How do you structure your thought process?'},\n {'end_time': '19:36', 'start_time': '19:34', 'text': 'And how widely you think?'},\n {'end_time': '19:36', 'start_time': '19:36', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '19:37', 'start_time': '19:36', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '19:39', 'start_time': '19:37', 'text': 'And for me, that is the most important thing.'},\n {'end_time': '19:53', 'start_time': '19:39', 'text': \"And some of the questions I ask people at, interviews is, what's the top of their playlist music list currently, you know, and or what are the 3 top books they're reading currently kind of stuff.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:59', 'start_time': '19:53', 'text': 'I mean, not related anything to do with the actual, job But the structure of their minds.'},\n {'end_time': '20:00', 'start_time': '20:00', 'text': 'Minds.'},\n {'end_time': '20:09', 'start_time': '20:00', 'text': 'You know, to me, that is really the essence of the person because I know if you have your favorite music so who is your favorite musician?'},\n {'end_time': '20:12', 'start_time': '20:09', 'text': 'You know, maybe a band, Pearl Jam, you know.'},\n {'end_time': '20:17', 'start_time': '20:12', 'text': 'And for me, what is important is what do you know about them?'},\n {'end_time': '20:18', 'start_time': '20:17', 'text': 'How do you follow what you love?'},\n {'end_time': '20:23', 'start_time': '20:18', 'text': 'And to me, that gives me a perspective of how the person thinks about what they do.'},\n {'end_time': '20:28', 'start_time': '20:23', 'text': 'Because if you are really thorough about what you love, you know, it could be anything.'},\n {'end_time': '20:29', 'start_time': '20:28', 'text': 'You know, it could be music.'},\n {'end_time': '20:30', 'start_time': '20:29', 'text': 'It could be wine.'},\n {'end_time': '20:33', 'start_time': '20:30', 'text': 'It could be it could be traveling.'},\n {'end_time': '20:34', 'start_time': '20:33', 'text': 'It could be cars.'},\n {'end_time': '20:35', 'start_time': '20:34', 'text': 'It could be anything of the kind.'},\n {'end_time': '20:47', 'start_time': '20:35', 'text': \"How deeply you get into it allows me to give a pers allows me the perspective of the person as being someone who's thorough in what they love.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:49', 'start_time': '20:47', 'text': 'And so definitely they should be thorough in what they do.'},\n {'end_time': '20:50', 'start_time': '20:49', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '20:50', 'start_time': '20:50', 'text': 'Wonderful.'},\n {'end_time': '20:58', 'start_time': '20:50', 'text': \"So Mary, you know, you're a really good guy and though your career's gone Good is a relative term to use.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:59', 'start_time': '20:58', 'text': \"From, from when I've met you.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:01', 'start_time': '20:59', 'text': 'Like, you seem like a really nice person.'},\n {'end_time': '21:02', 'start_time': '21:02', 'text': 'Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '21:05', 'start_time': '21:02', 'text': \"I'm sure you've like, you know, you've gone really fast in your career.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:07', 'start_time': '21:05', 'text': \"You've gone way ahead of a lot of people.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:07', 'start_time': '21:07', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '21:11', 'start_time': '21:07', 'text': \"And I'm sure you've seen people who don't capitalize on their moment.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:12', 'start_time': '21:12', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '21:13', 'start_time': '21:12', 'text': 'What have those people done wrong?'},\n {'end_time': '21:16', 'start_time': '21:13', 'text': \"You're the ones who've not reached where they were supposed to reach.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:19', 'start_time': '21:16', 'text': \"I mean, I think that that's a lesson in life that I have learned.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:24', 'start_time': '21:19', 'text': 'You know, I used to also be like this person racing ahead, doing the next thing and the next thing and the next thing.'},\n {'end_time': '21:26', 'start_time': '21:24', 'text': \"I couldn't stop myself.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:34', 'start_time': '21:26', 'text': 'And then I realized that I was just creating these ideas of next thing where everybody else was benefiting from it, profiting from the idea.'},\n {'end_time': '21:34', 'start_time': '21:34', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '21:52', 'start_time': '21:35', 'text': \"And, I also told myself I need to do the next thing, but I need to be able to, make the most of the things that I'm talking about, develop it further, develop it a little deeper and layer it with the new things.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:52', 'start_time': '21:52', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '21:53', 'start_time': '21:52', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '21:57', 'start_time': '21:53', 'text': 'And, and that is really important.'},\n {'end_time': '22:04', 'start_time': '21:57', 'text': 'I mean, a simple example would be I do shows and my shows I would have like 30 different ideas in one show.'},\n {'end_time': '22:04', 'start_time': '22:04', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '22:05', 'start_time': '22:04', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '22:13', 'start_time': '22:05', 'text': 'And I realized that, you know, I was doing 30 different ideas, but there were other people who were taking my one idea and building empires and businesses out of for themselves.'},\n {'end_time': '22:17', 'start_time': '22:14', 'text': \"And I decided that that's when I realized that I needed to slow down.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:26', 'start_time': '22:18', 'text': 'I needed to be able to, put this out in a way that was digestible and I could take ownership of it.'},\n {'end_time': '22:27', 'start_time': '22:26', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '22:32', 'start_time': '22:27', 'text': \"So they say that the curse of creativity is being slightly ungrounded in terms of you're born with a lot of creativity.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:33', 'start_time': '22:33', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '22:35', 'start_time': '22:33', 'text': \"You're also born with a slight lack of stability.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:36', 'start_time': '22:36', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '22:41', 'start_time': '22:36', 'text': 'I think stability is good because it keeps that itch of learning.'},\n {'end_time': '22:46', 'start_time': '22:42', 'text': \"It allows you to build, but you don't have, you know, you don't have to go over the top.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:52', 'start_time': '22:46', 'text': \"I mean, I don't believe in this fantasy idea of, you know, you need to take drugs to be creative.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:58', 'start_time': '22:52', 'text': \"You know, you don't have to be wallowing in drugs all the time to be create this kind of creative person.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:02', 'start_time': '22:59', 'text': 'I never felt the need for that in my life ever.'},\n {'end_time': '23:04', 'start_time': '23:03', 'text': \"But he's kept the hunger on.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:08', 'start_time': '23:04', 'text': 'I mean, for me, is what are the new ideas that are firing my brain?'},\n {'end_time': '23:12', 'start_time': '23:08', 'text': \"You know, what is the new it's the hunger to learn that really keeps firing.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:17', 'start_time': '23:13', 'text': \"And, and I think that's what careers are about.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:27', 'start_time': '23:17', 'text': 'I mean, for creative people also, you can be a straightjacket straightjacketed person but you can be terribly, terribly creative in what you think.'},\n {'end_time': '23:31', 'start_time': '23:27', 'text': 'And, you know, a lot of research shows that you need to be a little crazy to survive.'},\n {'end_time': '23:37', 'start_time': '23:31', 'text': \"Or I would twist Seal's song and I say, You need to be a little crazy to be creative.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:43', 'start_time': '23:39', 'text': 'The craziness comes not from your demeanor or your personality.'},\n {'end_time': '23:48', 'start_time': '23:44', 'text': 'The craziness comes craziness comes from your hunger to learn more.'},\n {'end_time': '23:48', 'start_time': '23:48', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '23:49', 'start_time': '23:48', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '23:51', 'start_time': '23:49', 'text': \"And sometimes people don't see that.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:51', 'start_time': '23:51', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '23:52', 'start_time': '23:51', 'text': 'What up careers?'},\n {'end_time': '23:55', 'start_time': '23:52', 'text': \"Because you're someone who's worked in multiple industries.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:55', 'start_time': '23:55', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '23:57', 'start_time': '23:55', 'text': 'What what up careers?'},\n {'end_time': '24:00', 'start_time': '23:57', 'text': 'I think relationships and how you deal with no.'},\n {'end_time': '24:08', 'start_time': '24:00', 'text': 'I mean, not personal inter not family relationships, but I think interpersonal relationships is really important how you deal with the other person.'},\n {'end_time': '24:09', 'start_time': '24:08', 'text': 'As in your coworkers.'},\n {'end_time': '24:10', 'start_time': '24:09', 'text': 'As your coworkers.'},\n {'end_time': '24:10', 'start_time': '24:10', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '24:18', 'start_time': '24:10', 'text': 'And and and I think that, you know, failing is not a bad thing in life, you know, as long as you learn from it.'},\n {'end_time': '24:18', 'start_time': '24:18', 'text': 'Yeah?'},\n {'end_time': '24:21', 'start_time': '24:19', 'text': 'And not we only hear about the success story.'},\n {'end_time': '24:22', 'start_time': '24:21', 'text': \"We don't hear about failures.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:25', 'start_time': '24:23', 'text': 'But, you know, big people have also failed in life.'},\n {'end_time': '24:31', 'start_time': '24:25', 'text': 'You know, Steve Jobs was thrown out over the job that he company that he created, but he came back to be successful.'},\n {'end_time': '24:33', 'start_time': '24:31', 'text': 'And there are many stories like that.'},\n {'end_time': '24:35', 'start_time': '24:33', 'text': 'There are great people who have done great stuff.'},\n {'end_time': '24:40', 'start_time': '24:35', 'text': 'And looking down upon failure is probably not the right thing that we have learned now.'},\n {'end_time': '24:42', 'start_time': '24:40', 'text': 'That is not the right thing.'},\n {'end_time': '24:47', 'start_time': '24:42', 'text': \"It is something this is a part of the journey because you don't know the downsides of everything.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:48', 'start_time': '24:47', 'text': 'You learn a lot from it.'},\n {'end_time': '24:55', 'start_time': '24:48', 'text': \"So it's important, you know, to learn from your failings and grow from it.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:56', 'start_time': '24:55', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '24:59', 'start_time': '24:56', 'text': \"You know, you're also someone who's spoken to Jeff Bezos.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:02', 'start_time': '24:59', 'text': \"Like, you're at that kind of a leadership position at Amazon.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:03', 'start_time': '25:02', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '25:04', 'start_time': '25:03', 'text': \"What's it like hanging out with him?\"},\n {'end_time': '25:06', 'start_time': '25:04', 'text': \"What's made him the world's richest person?\"},\n {'end_time': '25:10', 'start_time': '25:06', 'text': \"And what's his mentality that's trickled down all the layers of the Amazon organization?\"},\n {'end_time': '25:17', 'start_time': '25:11', 'text': 'I think I mean, it it I will qualify it by a a little a little story of my interview.'},\n {'end_time': '25:33', 'start_time': '25:17', 'text': 'And I interviewed with many people in Amazon, including the global expansion head and people in the us and teams across, and you know, pea and finally I was asked, so, you know, you are a famous designer.'},\n {'end_time': '25:34', 'start_time': '25:33', 'text': 'You design for Mr.'},\n {'end_time': '25:36', 'start_time': '25:34', 'text': 'Bachchan, Bollywood, Shah Rukh, everyone.'},\n {'end_time': '25:39', 'start_time': '25:37', 'text': \"You've done this fashion film.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:42', 'start_time': '25:40', 'text': 'Why do you want why would you want to work with Amazon?'},\n {'end_time': '26:00', 'start_time': '25:42', 'text': 'You know, I think my my answer then really was qualifies what he was saying is what that organization believes in was as a creative director, I I was I told them how many people get a chance to change the way a 1000000000 people live.'},\n {'end_time': '26:00', 'start_time': '26:00', 'text': 'Yeah?'},\n {'end_time': '26:02', 'start_time': '26:00', 'text': \"It's the perspective of your job.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:06', 'start_time': '26:02', 'text': \"It's the vision that you have for the role that you are playing in that company.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:13', 'start_time': '26:07', 'text': 'Always have a large vision, vision beyond what most people cannot comprehend.'},\n {'end_time': '26:14', 'start_time': '26:13', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '26:17', 'start_time': '26:14', 'text': \"And that's what really is Amazon.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:27', 'start_time': '26:17', 'text': \"Amazon is this single person's vision along working, of course, along with working with the whole team of people over many years or having a vision that was 20 years long.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:28', 'start_time': '26:27', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '26:37', 'start_time': '26:28', 'text': 'But working at it every day with processes, structure analysis, everything in place.'},\n {'end_time': '26:41', 'start_time': '26:37', 'text': \"You know, in Amazon, there's a great saying, it's always day 1.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:41', 'start_time': '26:41', 'text': 'Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '26:42', 'start_time': '26:42', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '26:45', 'start_time': '26:42', 'text': 'Every day is day 1 and we still live day 1 every day.'},\n {'end_time': '26:46', 'start_time': '26:45', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '26:58', 'start_time': '26:46', 'text': 'And and I think that that is the greatness of that organization that it has meant You had a vision which started from a book to an to such a large place today in the world.'},\n {'end_time': '26:59', 'start_time': '26:59', 'text': 'From book to book it.'},\n {'end_time': '27:00', 'start_time': '26:59', 'text': 'What book was it?'},\n {'end_time': '27:01', 'start_time': '27:00', 'text': 'What book was it?'},\n {'end_time': '27:02', 'start_time': '27:01', 'text': 'Selling books, basically.'},\n {'end_time': '27:03', 'start_time': '27:02', 'text': 'Oh, okay.'},\n {'end_time': '27:03', 'start_time': '27:03', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '27:06', 'start_time': '27:03', 'text': 'He mean Amazon began as a Books book company.'},\n {'end_time': '27:06', 'start_time': '27:06', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '27:10', 'start_time': '27:06', 'text': 'So, and that, and you can see that creativity.'},\n {'end_time': '27:14', 'start_time': '27:10', 'text': 'You can see that, energy amongst the team members.'},\n {'end_time': '27:19', 'start_time': '27:14', 'text': 'Everyone in the team is as energized when they think and talk about stuff like this.'},\n {'end_time': '27:23', 'start_time': '27:19', 'text': 'But on a human level, what was in Jeff Bezos that took him that fight?'},\n {'end_time': '27:24', 'start_time': '27:23', 'text': 'Was it the same thing?'},\n {'end_time': '27:24', 'start_time': '27:24', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '27:28', 'start_time': '27:24', 'text': 'But I I think it was one division, of course.'},\n {'end_time': '27:46', 'start_time': '27:28', 'text': 'And the fact that, you know, there was value for people who worked with him, sharing and understanding value and building good structure where a sense of value was appreciated, by everybody and and the very fact that everybody had a voice.'},\n {'end_time': '27:47', 'start_time': '27:46', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '27:51', 'start_time': '27:47', 'text': 'And it would be heard, you know, from the lowest in the team to the highest in the team.'},\n {'end_time': '28:01', 'start_time': '27:51', 'text': \"This is something, you know, great about Amazon is if somebody, even at the lowest level, asks you a question, you're obliged to answer and answer with respect.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:06', 'start_time': '28:01', 'text': 'You know, you cannot just say, okay, shoe.'},\n {'end_time': '28:06', 'start_time': '28:06', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '28:07', 'start_time': '28:06', 'text': 'This is my answer and just go.'},\n {'end_time': '28:10', 'start_time': '28:07', 'text': 'You need to qualify everything you did your answer.'},\n {'end_time': '28:12', 'start_time': '28:10', 'text': 'And I have learned a lot being there.'},\n {'end_time': '28:21', 'start_time': '28:12', 'text': 'I have learned a lot being there, understanding the thought process and the openness that the organization is to bring.'},\n {'end_time': '28:24', 'start_time': '28:21', 'text': \"So, yeah, I mean, I think that's what's trickled down from him.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:31', 'start_time': '28:24', 'text': \"Because from whatever you've told me about him, I feel like even he's that kind of guy who takes opinions, who takes other people's opinions despite being the world's richest person.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:32', 'start_time': '28:31', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '28:35', 'start_time': '28:32', 'text': \"And I think that's a what's a great attribute to have as a person.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:37', 'start_time': '28:35', 'text': \"What's it like being in the same room as him?\"},\n {'end_time': '28:38', 'start_time': '28:37', 'text': 'Is he like a rapid thing?'},\n {'end_time': '28:39', 'start_time': '28:39', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '28:47', 'start_time': '28:39', 'text': \"I I think he's like an ordinary like you and me talking, understanding, probing, and getting a better understanding of the place.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:51', 'start_time': '28:47', 'text': \"That's I mean, that's what like any other person.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:52', 'start_time': '28:51', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '28:53', 'start_time': '28:52', 'text': 'Does he wanna get even richer?'},\n {'end_time': '28:55', 'start_time': '28:53', 'text': \"Like, is that I don't.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:56', 'start_time': '28:55', 'text': 'I think he wants to do more.'},\n {'end_time': '29:00', 'start_time': '28:56', 'text': 'I mean, richer is what is money at some point?'},\n {'end_time': '29:02', 'start_time': '29:00', 'text': 'You know, after a certain point.'},\n {'end_time': '29:09', 'start_time': '29:02', 'text': \"I think the the like I come back to the fact that he's hungry to do more, which is amazing.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:10', 'start_time': '29:09', 'text': \"That's crazy.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:10', 'start_time': '29:10', 'text': \"You're like, you have no competition.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:15', 'start_time': '29:10', 'text': 'You have only your own glass ceiling to break.'},\n {'end_time': '29:15', 'start_time': '29:15', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '29:18', 'start_time': '29:15', 'text': 'So how do you keep stay motivated at that level?'},\n {'end_time': '29:21', 'start_time': '29:19', 'text': 'Hunger to do stuff.'},\n {'end_time': '29:21', 'start_time': '29:21', 'text': 'Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '29:23', 'start_time': '29:22', 'text': 'Without any reference point.'},\n {'end_time': '29:24', 'start_time': '29:23', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '29:24', 'start_time': '29:24', 'text': \"That's crazy.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:27', 'start_time': '29:24', 'text': 'So, mister Narenda Kumar, thank you again.'},\n {'end_time': '29:28', 'start_time': '29:27', 'text': 'Lovely to talk to you.'},\n {'end_time': '29:28', 'start_time': '29:28', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '29:33', 'start_time': '29:29', 'text': \"I've learned a lot from you, in terms of Hopefully, you'll be a better man.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:34', 'start_time': '29:33', 'text': 'I hope so too.'},\n {'end_time': '29:36', 'start_time': '29:36', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '29:42', 'start_time': '29:36', 'text': 'But seriously, I mean, like, talking to you sometimes gets a little heavy in a very positive way.'},\n {'end_time': '29:46', 'start_time': '29:42', 'text': 'So I I always take I I would say that comes with age.'},\n {'end_time': '29:46', 'start_time': '29:46', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '29:47', 'start_time': '29:46', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '29:51', 'start_time': '29:47', 'text': \"But we're we're hungry for this kind of information, these kind of experiences.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:53', 'start_time': '29:51', 'text': 'Because young people are aging faster than they used to before.'},\n {'end_time': '29:54', 'start_time': '29:53', 'text': 'A 100%.'},\n {'end_time': '29:55', 'start_time': '29:54', 'text': \"And I think that's sorry.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:55', 'start_time': '29:55', 'text': 'Growing up.'},\n {'end_time': '29:56', 'start_time': '29:55', 'text': \"I'm joking.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:00', 'start_time': '29:57', 'text': \"I think it's one aging and growing up is one of the most beautiful things.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:08', 'start_time': '30:00', 'text': \"And, this talking to someone who's been there, done it, and is doing it still and is continuously growing is one of the best aspects of growing up.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:09', 'start_time': '30:08', 'text': 'I think so.'},\n {'end_time': '30:10', 'start_time': '30:09', 'text': 'I mean, I learn every day.'},\n {'end_time': '30:12', 'start_time': '30:10', 'text': 'So for me, this is learning also.'},\n {'end_time': '30:13', 'start_time': '30:12', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '30:16', 'start_time': '30:13', 'text': \"So anyway, guys, I'm gonna be linking Nari's handles down below.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:18', 'start_time': '30:16', 'text': 'So make sure you check it out in the description box.'},\n {'end_time': '30:20', 'start_time': '30:18', 'text': 'Make sure you give him a follow.'},\n {'end_time': '30:25', 'start_time': '30:20', 'text': 'And, make sure you give this episode of the Ranveer Show a like, share it with your friends.'},\n {'end_time': '30:27', 'start_time': '30:25', 'text': 'And until next time, 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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:01", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "What's good, you guys?" }, { "end_time": "0:07", "start_time": "0:01", "text": "Welcome to the most gorgeous episode of the Ranveesh Show with the most gorgeous guest that we've had on the show, Priyanka Chopra." }, { "end_time": "0:12", "start_time": "0:07", "text": "What can be said about this beautiful woman and this beautiful mind that's not already been said?" }, { "end_time": "0:23", "start_time": "0:12", "text": "So in the time that I had with her through this podcast, we really were trying to dig deep to find out what keeps her clock ticking, what keeps her mentality and ambition going." }, { "end_time": "0:31", "start_time": "0:23", "text": "We even spoke about her mental health issues, her experiences in the early part of her career, how she built herself up to this point, and even her plans for the future." }, { "end_time": "0:39", "start_time": "0:31", "text": "Trust me, one of the most inspiring conversations I've ever had on a personal level because she's someone who's inspired me a lot, but I've also had the biggest crush on her growing up." }, { "end_time": "0:44", "start_time": "0:39", "text": "So without further ado, I hope you enjoy one of the most memorable moments of my life." }, { "end_time": "0:45", "start_time": "0:44", "text": "Enjoy yourselves." }, { "end_time": "0:58", "start_time": "0:53", "text": "So there's queens that you come across in your life, and then there's, like, mega hyper super queens." }, { "end_time": "0:59", "start_time": "0:58", "text": "That's what we've got today." }, { "end_time": "1:01", "start_time": "0:59", "text": "Priyanka Chopra, welcome to the Ranveer Show." }, { "end_time": "1:03", "start_time": "1:02", "text": "Thank you so much for having me." }, { "end_time": "1:08", "start_time": "1:03", "text": "So before asking you any questions, could I just tell you 2, thoughts of you that I've got in mind?" }, { "end_time": "1:08", "start_time": "1:08", "text": "Of course, please." }, { "end_time": "1:08", "start_time": "1:08", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:14", "start_time": "1:08", "text": "So the first is that, you know, with Bollywood celebrities, usually the nation always has mixed opinions on them." }, { "end_time": "1:17", "start_time": "1:14", "text": "Like, you have some people who like you and some people who don't like you." }, { "end_time": "1:23", "start_time": "1:17", "text": "But with Priyanka Chopra, irrespective of age, gender, cast, all that, everyone loves you." }, { "end_time": "1:25", "start_time": "1:23", "text": "Like That's first of all, very, very kind." }, { "end_time": "1:28", "start_time": "1:26", "text": "And second of all, I don't think that's true." }, { "end_time": "1:29", "start_time": "1:28", "text": "That's true." }, { "end_time": "1:30", "start_time": "1:29", "text": "That's I I I mean, okay." }, { "end_time": "1:32", "start_time": "1:30", "text": "Let's we'll get to the haters later." }, { "end_time": "1:34", "start_time": "1:32", "text": "Haters don't exist in my life." }, { "end_time": "1:34", "start_time": "1:34", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "1:35", "start_time": "1:34", "text": "I feel that." }, { "end_time": "1:36", "start_time": "1:35", "text": "I feel that vibe." }, { "end_time": "1:42", "start_time": "1:36", "text": "But, really, you're someone who generally is super magnetic and that's why the nation has backed you." }, { "end_time": "1:49", "start_time": "1:42", "text": "The second thing I really wanna tell you is that the first time I ever realized that a guy can like a girl and I realized that this concept of crushes exist." }, { "end_time": "1:51", "start_time": "1:49", "text": "You were my first crush in life after I saw Andas." }, { "end_time": "1:53", "start_time": "1:52", "text": "So After Andaaz?" }, { "end_time": "1:54", "start_time": "1:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:54", "start_time": "1:54", "text": "Oh my." }, { "end_time": "1:56", "start_time": "1:54", "text": "So You really must like me." }, { "end_time": "1:57", "start_time": "1:57", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "1:58", "start_time": "1:57", "text": "You were you were fantastic." }, { "end_time": "1:59", "start_time": "1:58", "text": "You stole the show." }, { "end_time": "2:00", "start_time": "1:59", "text": "I remember you coming on the second half." }, { "end_time": "2:02", "start_time": "2:00", "text": "I remember that movie like at the back of my head." }, { "end_time": "2:02", "start_time": "2:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:02", "start_time": "2:02", "text": "I did." }, { "end_time": "2:04", "start_time": "2:02", "text": "I came in after the interval." }, { "end_time": "2:04", "start_time": "2:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:06", "start_time": "2:04", "text": "And my story was done before the climax." }, { "end_time": "2:07", "start_time": "2:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:07", "start_time": "2:07", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "2:08", "start_time": "2:07", "text": "But but you stole the show." }, { "end_time": "2:09", "start_time": "2:08", "text": "You stole the show." }, { "end_time": "2:09", "start_time": "2:09", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "2:14", "start_time": "2:10", "text": "So the first question I have for you is what is the secret to this magnetism?" }, { "end_time": "2:15", "start_time": "2:14", "text": "Because it's not inbuilt." }, { "end_time": "2:17", "start_time": "2:15", "text": "It's something you've worked on over time." }, { "end_time": "2:19", "start_time": "2:17", "text": "I wasn't born with it, I would say." }, { "end_time": "2:21", "start_time": "2:19", "text": "I think it's called confidence." }, { "end_time": "2:21", "start_time": "2:21", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "2:24", "start_time": "2:21", "text": "I feel like confidence is something you can teach yourself." }, { "end_time": "2:28", "start_time": "2:24", "text": "Confidence is and you know, your story is a little bit like that." }, { "end_time": "2:33", "start_time": "2:28", "text": "You taught yourself and you told yourself what you wanted to be and you worked towards it." }, { "end_time": "2:35", "start_time": "2:33", "text": "You're one of the people I learned it from." }, { "end_time": "2:35", "start_time": "2:35", "text": "Oh, thank you." }, { "end_time": "2:37", "start_time": "2:35", "text": "But that's what I mean." }, { "end_time": "2:38", "start_time": "2:37", "text": "I learned it from my mother." }, { "end_time": "2:43", "start_time": "2:39", "text": "I learned it from the very, very strong people in my family that I looked up to." }, { "end_time": "2:46", "start_time": "2:43", "text": "That showed me that it doesn't matter what your circumstances are." }, { "end_time": "2:48", "start_time": "2:46", "text": "It matters how large your dreams are." }, { "end_time": "2:51", "start_time": "2:48", "text": "And, I have really large dreams." }, { "end_time": "2:52", "start_time": "2:51", "text": "And you know what I love about you?" }, { "end_time": "2:56", "start_time": "2:52", "text": "Even now, I'm pretty sure you're as ambitious as you were when you started out." }, { "end_time": "2:56", "start_time": "2:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:57", "start_time": "2:56", "text": "Everyone can see that." }, { "end_time": "2:59", "start_time": "2:57", "text": "My ambition gives me purpose." }, { "end_time": "3:01", "start_time": "2:59", "text": "And I think purpose is very important in life." }, { "end_time": "3:03", "start_time": "3:01", "text": "You have to have a sense of purpose." }, { "end_time": "3:04", "start_time": "3:03", "text": "Whatever that might be." }, { "end_time": "3:05", "start_time": "3:04", "text": "It could be your children." }, { "end_time": "3:07", "start_time": "3:05", "text": "It could be your family." }, { "end_time": "3:08", "start_time": "3:07", "text": "It could be your career." }, { "end_time": "3:09", "start_time": "3:08", "text": "It could be anything." }, { "end_time": "3:18", "start_time": "3:09", "text": "But as a human being, I feel like my purpose is the ex I think my purpose is the pursuit of excellence in anything that I do." }, { "end_time": "3:21", "start_time": "3:18", "text": "I don't like doing anything less than perfect." }, { "end_time": "3:24", "start_time": "3:21", "text": "When you're dying, what do you want people to remember you as?" }, { "end_time": "3:27", "start_time": "3:24", "text": "I want them to say that I left behind a legacy." }, { "end_time": "3:31", "start_time": "3:27", "text": "I want my kids to feel like, you know, proud to say that that's our mom." }, { "end_time": "3:49", "start_time": "3:32", "text": "I want people to say that I made a dent in my art, in entertainment, in my profession, that I'm a public person, that actually through every facet of my life, whether it was, my acting, my profe my producing, my philanthropy, just being a girl." }, { "end_time": "3:50", "start_time": "3:49", "text": "Can I tell you something?" }, { "end_time": "3:51", "start_time": "3:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:51", "start_time": "3:51", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "3:56", "start_time": "3:51", "text": "So right now, Indians, when they're looking at Priyanka Chopra, every single Indian is like, that's our girl." }, { "end_time": "3:57", "start_time": "3:56", "text": "That's our girl." }, { "end_time": "3:58", "start_time": "3:57", "text": "That's what you've been able to do, like, right now." }, { "end_time": "4:00", "start_time": "3:58", "text": "So I got So that's that's already amazing." }, { "end_time": "4:04", "start_time": "4:00", "text": "I mean, eventually, it makes me I'm I'm I'm from a very small town." }, { "end_time": "4:06", "start_time": "4:04", "text": "I was raised in Bareilly." }, { "end_time": "4:07", "start_time": "4:06", "text": "I was born in Jamshedpur." }, { "end_time": "4:10", "start_time": "4:08", "text": "My dad's from Punjab." }, { "end_time": "4:22", "start_time": "4:11", "text": "I think that if I can have aspirations and be sitting on this chair being interviewed by you hearing the words that you're saying, it can happen to anyone as long as you you have the perseverance to go there." }, { "end_time": "4:29", "start_time": "4:22", "text": "So my next question to you is, when you began in Bollywood, I'm sure you had, like, a version of it, you know, before you started out." }, { "end_time": "4:29", "start_time": "4:29", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "4:31", "start_time": "4:29", "text": "And then it must have changed something in you." }, { "end_time": "4:33", "start_time": "4:31", "text": "So what were those things that you saw and you were like, wait." }, { "end_time": "4:33", "start_time": "4:33", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "4:35", "start_time": "4:33", "text": "So this world works like this?" }, { "end_time": "4:39", "start_time": "4:35", "text": "Well, when I first I was 17 when I won Miss India and Miss World." }, { "end_time": "4:40", "start_time": "4:39", "text": "I just turned 18." }, { "end_time": "4:41", "start_time": "4:40", "text": "I started getting movie offers." }, { "end_time": "4:44", "start_time": "4:41", "text": "So at that time, it was very like, oh, yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:52", "start_time": "4:44", "text": "Being an actor is about wearing the nicest clothes and, like, getting hair and makeup done and, like, you know, saying your lines and, like, dancing." }, { "end_time": "4:58", "start_time": "4:52", "text": "And it was very trivial in my head because no one from my entire family had ever even been to Bombay." }, { "end_time": "5:01", "start_time": "4:58", "text": "Forget, like, been in entertainment." }, { "end_time": "5:03", "start_time": "5:01", "text": "My dad was a musician, but that was his joy." }, { "end_time": "5:05", "start_time": "5:03", "text": "And he he used to sing on stage." }, { "end_time": "5:08", "start_time": "5:05", "text": "It was never in the business of entertainment." }, { "end_time": "5:18", "start_time": "5:08", "text": "But when I started working, like in Andaz, for for example, there was a moment where, you know that song, the one in, with Akshay and me when we're in South Africa." }, { "end_time": "5:19", "start_time": "5:18", "text": "What is the song or Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:20", "start_time": "5:19", "text": "When you're a party?" }, { "end_time": "5:21", "start_time": "5:21", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "5:22", "start_time": "5:21", "text": "The other one." }, { "end_time": "5:23", "start_time": "5:22", "text": "The romantic song." }, { "end_time": "5:25", "start_time": "5:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:26", "start_time": "5:25", "text": "That one." }, { "end_time": "5:28", "start_time": "5:26", "text": "So that was one of the first songs we shot." }, { "end_time": "5:32", "start_time": "5:28", "text": "And so there were multiple things that I had to achieve at that point." }, { "end_time": "5:40", "start_time": "5:32", "text": "But and once the 40 something take had happened and I didn't get it right, I remember Raju Khan was the choreographer at that time, Usaraju's son." }, { "end_time": "5:41", "start_time": "5:40", "text": "He threw his mic down." }, { "end_time": "5:44", "start_time": "5:41", "text": "He said, just because you're Miss World, you think you can become an actress?" }, { "end_time": "5:46", "start_time": "5:44", "text": "Go learn how to dance and then come back and perform." }, { "end_time": "5:54", "start_time": "5:47", "text": "And luckily, Akshay's wife went into labor at that point to sort of set schedule went, was cut short." }, { "end_time": "5:58", "start_time": "5:54", "text": "And we came back to to India just for a break." }, { "end_time": "6:04", "start_time": "5:58", "text": "And I remember going to, Pandit Virukrishnan's class and started I started learning Kathak." }, { "end_time": "6:07", "start_time": "6:04", "text": "I did about 6 hours every single day." }, { "end_time": "6:11", "start_time": "6:07", "text": "And then when I went back for the next schedule, I knew so much more." }, { "end_time": "6:15", "start_time": "6:11", "text": "And that day I realized that there is there's something about knowledge." }, { "end_time": "6:19", "start_time": "6:16", "text": "There's something about if you learn, even if you don't know something." }, { "end_time": "6:25", "start_time": "6:19", "text": "If you have an ambition to be somewhere, if you prepare yourself, you have the ability to be better than everyone else." }, { "end_time": "6:28", "start_time": "6:25", "text": "So you you decide to level up at every stage?" }, { "end_time": "6:30", "start_time": "6:28", "text": "I I like to be prepared for everything." }, { "end_time": "6:35", "start_time": "6:30", "text": "Even if it's an interview, even if I'm if I'm going for a red carpet, even if something is trivial to someone." }, { "end_time": "6:37", "start_time": "6:35", "text": "Even if you're stepping up and becoming a boyhood producer." }, { "end_time": "6:38", "start_time": "6:37", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "6:38", "start_time": "6:38", "text": "I like to learn." }, { "end_time": "6:49", "start_time": "6:38", "text": "Which is why as becoming a Hindi movie producer, I the reason I decided to do, produce Sky is Pink with was because the producers are Sid Roy Kapoor and Roni Skruvala." }, { "end_time": "6:51", "start_time": "6:49", "text": "As producers, I admire them tremendously." }, { "end_time": "6:57", "start_time": "6:51", "text": "They have I've done about 6 films with them, Barfi, fashion, films that have defined my career." }, { "end_time": "7:00", "start_time": "6:57", "text": "So I knew I could learn again from them." }, { "end_time": "7:04", "start_time": "7:00", "text": "So I'm new as a producer, so I'm working with people who I can learn from." }, { "end_time": "7:05", "start_time": "7:04", "text": "Nervous about this release?" }, { "end_time": "7:08", "start_time": "7:06", "text": "I it's too special for me to be nervous." }, { "end_time": "7:15", "start_time": "7:08", "text": "Whatever the destiny of this film is, I know it doesn't have the the comedy and laughter and the big set number and the song pieces." }, { "end_time": "7:17", "start_time": "7:16", "text": "I know it's not that film." }, { "end_time": "7:25", "start_time": "7:17", "text": "But at the same time, there's something that has come really from the deep pinnacles of my heart because it's based on a real life couple." }, { "end_time": "7:30", "start_time": "7:25", "text": "Not some, you know, medal winning athlete like I played the last time or not some superstar." }, { "end_time": "7:35", "start_time": "7:31", "text": "It's based on real people with extraordinary circumstances, and that's something very special." }, { "end_time": "7:36", "start_time": "7:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:40", "start_time": "7:36", "text": "You know, the film poetry is like the real kind of trajectory of a relationship." }, { "end_time": "7:44", "start_time": "7:40", "text": "So, have you what have you learned from your relationships in your life?" }, { "end_time": "7:45", "start_time": "7:44", "text": "And I'm not just talking about romantic relationships." }, { "end_time": "7:46", "start_time": "7:45", "text": "All kinds." }, { "end_time": "7:49", "start_time": "7:47", "text": "What's that added to you?" }, { "end_time": "7:51", "start_time": "7:49", "text": "I think honesty is very important in relationships." }, { "end_time": "7:58", "start_time": "7:52", "text": "Whether it's with friends, whether it's with family, whether it's with your loved one, whether it's in a romantic relationship." }, { "end_time": "8:02", "start_time": "7:58", "text": "I think being real to what you really are feeling is very important." }, { "end_time": "8:09", "start_time": "8:02", "text": "And a lot of people don't have the guts to do that because we are always pretending to be a certain way so that we can maintain a relationship." }, { "end_time": "8:19", "start_time": "8:09", "text": "But I think the healthiest relationships happen when you have the ability to call out someone and say, well, that's not right or I don't feel a certain way and you're wrong or you're right." }, { "end_time": "8:20", "start_time": "8:19", "text": "And to be able to talk about it." }, { "end_time": "8:21", "start_time": "8:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:27", "start_time": "8:21", "text": "It takes taking that cloak of being, careful about your emotions off." }, { "end_time": "8:28", "start_time": "8:27", "text": "That's very important." }, { "end_time": "8:33", "start_time": "8:28", "text": "You know, so I've seen a lot of your interviews, in my life and I can see how inspired you are from your parents." }, { "end_time": "8:33", "start_time": "8:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:36", "start_time": "8:33", "text": "And I'm sure you're inspired from their relationship as well." }, { "end_time": "8:36", "start_time": "8:36", "text": "Totally." }, { "end_time": "8:37", "start_time": "8:36", "text": "What have you learned from them?" }, { "end_time": "8:41", "start_time": "8:37", "text": "I think the beauty about their relationship was it was a relationship of equals." }, { "end_time": "8:42", "start_time": "8:41", "text": "From the very beginning." }, { "end_time": "8:53", "start_time": "8:43", "text": "You know, my parents, even though they had separate responsibilities and they they always worked together, but they always gave each other respect in terms of each other's opinions." }, { "end_time": "8:55", "start_time": "8:53", "text": "And I was raised in an environment like that." }, { "end_time": "8:58", "start_time": "8:55", "text": "My mom's opinion was as important as my dad's opinion." }, { "end_time": "9:00", "start_time": "8:59", "text": "They both took decisions together." }, { "end_time": "9:02", "start_time": "9:00", "text": "It was never one person's monopoly." }, { "end_time": "9:05", "start_time": "9:03", "text": "And that's an extremely healthy marriage." }, { "end_time": "9:10", "start_time": "9:05", "text": "So Priyanka, they were both physicians in the army, and I'm sure that that job comes with a lot of discipline." }, { "end_time": "9:10", "start_time": "9:10", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "9:12", "start_time": "9:10", "text": "So I'm sure that that discipline trickled down at home as well." }, { "end_time": "9:12", "start_time": "9:12", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "9:14", "start_time": "9:12", "text": "And that's a part of your growing up." }, { "end_time": "9:18", "start_time": "9:14", "text": "And would you say that discipline is also the reason that you've become Priyanka Chopra?" }, { "end_time": "9:19", "start_time": "9:18", "text": "Like, the Priyanka Chopra?" }, { "end_time": "9:21", "start_time": "9:19", "text": "Has discipline been a big part of your life?" }, { "end_time": "9:21", "start_time": "9:21", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "9:25", "start_time": "9:21", "text": "I think people confuse discipline with, like, punctuality sometimes." }, { "end_time": "9:27", "start_time": "9:25", "text": "But that's not what discipline is." }, { "end_time": "9:28", "start_time": "9:27", "text": "Discipline is being prepared." }, { "end_time": "9:30", "start_time": "9:28", "text": "Discipline is, riyaz." }, { "end_time": "9:32", "start_time": "9:30", "text": "Discipline is, training." }, { "end_time": "9:34", "start_time": "9:32", "text": "Discipline is, learning." }, { "end_time": "9:38", "start_time": "9:34", "text": "Discipline is knowing that if I'm going to do a job, I'm going to give it my 120%." }, { "end_time": "9:40", "start_time": "9:38", "text": "Otherwise, I'm not gonna do it." }, { "end_time": "9:46", "start_time": "9:40", "text": "Because when it comes to the military, even one mistake can cause a big big butterfly effect." }, { "end_time": "9:53", "start_time": "9:47", "text": "And, that's something I definitely learned from both my parents as physicians and as people who were in the military." }, { "end_time": "9:58", "start_time": "9:53", "text": "And then, you know, again from a lot of times when you're in the middle of your hustle, you don't come to know how good you are." }, { "end_time": "9:59", "start_time": "9:58", "text": "And if you need an outside perspective." }, { "end_time": "10:00", "start_time": "9:59", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "10:07", "start_time": "10:00", "text": "So trust me from the outside, again, seeing your career, you're someone who's constantly moved on to the next project even after victories." }, { "end_time": "10:11", "start_time": "10:08", "text": "Is that something you do consciously that if a film is a hit, you're like, cool, good." }, { "end_time": "10:13", "start_time": "10:11", "text": "I'll be zen about it, but I'll move on to the next one." }, { "end_time": "10:14", "start_time": "10:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:20", "start_time": "10:14", "text": "I mean, I really feel like you are defined by every time, you're defined by what you do next, not what you left behind." }, { "end_time": "10:23", "start_time": "10:20", "text": "So when when you have a super hit film, what's going on in your head?" }, { "end_time": "10:23", "start_time": "10:23", "text": "Great." }, { "end_time": "10:24", "start_time": "10:23", "text": "That happened." }, { "end_time": "10:25", "start_time": "10:24", "text": "What's next?" }, { "end_time": "10:25", "start_time": "10:25", "text": "I like that." }, { "end_time": "10:27", "start_time": "10:25", "text": "How am I gonna top that?" }, { "end_time": "10:29", "start_time": "10:27", "text": "Or what am I gonna do that's gonna be different?" }, { "end_time": "10:34", "start_time": "10:29", "text": "It might not be the same thing, because there's no point of doing the same thing over again." }, { "end_time": "10:36", "start_time": "10:34", "text": "I try not to do the same thing over again." }, { "end_time": "10:37", "start_time": "10:36", "text": "You have to take risks." }, { "end_time": "10:40", "start_time": "10:37", "text": "Risks are so important in evolution." }, { "end_time": "10:42", "start_time": "10:41", "text": "Playing it safe." }, { "end_time": "10:43", "start_time": "10:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:47", "start_time": "10:43", "text": "You can have an existence, but you'll never be someone who's a trailblazer." }, { "end_time": "10:48", "start_time": "10:47", "text": "Who's a legend." }, { "end_time": "10:48", "start_time": "10:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:50", "start_time": "10:48", "text": "And legendary shit." }, { "end_time": "10:52", "start_time": "10:50", "text": "I like legendary shit." }, { "end_time": "10:53", "start_time": "10:52", "text": "We can see that." }, { "end_time": "10:58", "start_time": "10:54", "text": "What did you learn from your dad that stayed with you for your career and that's been an anchor point for your career?" }, { "end_time": "11:00", "start_time": "10:59", "text": "To smile through everything." }, { "end_time": "11:05", "start_time": "11:01", "text": "My dad was extremely sensitive, but he was also, like, my biggest champion." }, { "end_time": "11:09", "start_time": "11:06", "text": "The one thing that I learned with from him was the hustle." }, { "end_time": "11:13", "start_time": "11:09", "text": "He he always taught me that don't be afraid of the failure." }, { "end_time": "11:17", "start_time": "11:13", "text": "What you do next after failure is what'll define you." }, { "end_time": "11:18", "start_time": "11:17", "text": "Everyone fails." }, { "end_time": "11:19", "start_time": "11:18", "text": "It's gonna happen to you." }, { "end_time": "11:20", "start_time": "11:19", "text": "It's gonna happen to me." }, { "end_time": "11:21", "start_time": "11:20", "text": "It's gonna happen to everyone." }, { "end_time": "11:27", "start_time": "11:21", "text": "Instead of sitting on your hands and saying I can't do it again, find the courage inside of you and saying what can I do differently?" }, { "end_time": "11:29", "start_time": "11:27", "text": "How do you look back into your mistake and say, alright." }, { "end_time": "11:30", "start_time": "11:29", "text": "That was a mistake." }, { "end_time": "11:31", "start_time": "11:30", "text": "Great." }, { "end_time": "11:32", "start_time": "11:31", "text": "Not doing that again." }, { "end_time": "11:34", "start_time": "11:32", "text": "That's something I really learned from my dad." }, { "end_time": "11:34", "start_time": "11:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:38", "start_time": "11:34", "text": "And that whole thing about you being magnetic, this is a part of it that you smile through everything." }, { "end_time": "11:50", "start_time": "11:39", "text": "So the other thing I really wanna know from you is, you know, in, like, peep with generally with the Indian youth, there's these huge mental health issues that are going around because of social media and things like that." }, { "end_time": "11:56", "start_time": "11:50", "text": "So, through your career, have you had any mental health issues which you've just hidden by, like, you know, smiling through it?" }, { "end_time": "11:57", "start_time": "11:56", "text": "I think so." }, { "end_time": "11:58", "start_time": "11:57", "text": "I think each one of us has." }, { "end_time": "12:01", "start_time": "11:58", "text": "I don't know if I because I never went to a therapist." }, { "end_time": "12:03", "start_time": "12:01", "text": "I kind of therapist myself." }, { "end_time": "12:04", "start_time": "12:03", "text": "Because you didn't need one." }, { "end_time": "12:04", "start_time": "12:04", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "12:05", "start_time": "12:04", "text": "I I tried it." }, { "end_time": "12:06", "start_time": "12:05", "text": "I tried it a couple of times." }, { "end_time": "12:09", "start_time": "12:06", "text": "There were phases in my life, especially after my dad." }, { "end_time": "12:12", "start_time": "12:10", "text": "I didn't know how to deal with my emotions." }, { "end_time": "12:14", "start_time": "12:13", "text": "I was in a new country." }, { "end_time": "12:15", "start_time": "12:14", "text": "I didn't know people." }, { "end_time": "12:18", "start_time": "12:15", "text": "I was walking into meetings where people didn't know me." }, { "end_time": "12:25", "start_time": "12:18", "text": "I was reintroducing myself at the age of 31, 32 after I had conquered, another industry in India." }, { "end_time": "12:32", "start_time": "12:25", "text": "So, you know, all of those things added a lot of pressures on me, you know, when you're starting all over again in another country where the culture is different." }, { "end_time": "12:33", "start_time": "12:32", "text": "Everything was different, and I was alone." }, { "end_time": "12:37", "start_time": "12:34", "text": "So it took a big toll on me at that point." }, { "end_time": "12:42", "start_time": "12:37", "text": "And I don't know if I can clinically say I was depressed or not, but I really felt like I was." }, { "end_time": "12:48", "start_time": "12:42", "text": "I tried to go to a therapist, but because I didn't have the consistency of time, I didn't I didn't follow through." }, { "end_time": "12:50", "start_time": "12:48", "text": "So I kind of logified with myself." }, { "end_time": "12:56", "start_time": "12:50", "text": "I'm someone who talks to myself and I I think about things whether it's in my dreams or whether it's when I'm awake." }, { "end_time": "13:00", "start_time": "12:57", "text": "I talk to myself about how I'm feeling and how I can overcome it." }, { "end_time": "13:02", "start_time": "13:00", "text": "What did you tell yourself that got you out of your difficult times?" }, { "end_time": "13:05", "start_time": "13:02", "text": "I told myself to allow myself to feel it." }, { "end_time": "13:06", "start_time": "13:05", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "13:06", "start_time": "13:06", "text": "To accept it." }, { "end_time": "13:07", "start_time": "13:06", "text": "To accept it." }, { "end_time": "13:14", "start_time": "13:07", "text": "I think you have to reach a place of acceptance of the fact that it's okay to feel that way instead of beating yourself up about it." }, { "end_time": "13:16", "start_time": "13:14", "text": "Did you also keep your mind busy with work?" }, { "end_time": "13:19", "start_time": "13:17", "text": "For a while, I did." }, { "end_time": "13:22", "start_time": "13:20", "text": "And that was not the best decision." }, { "end_time": "13:25", "start_time": "13:23", "text": "It was me running away from my issues." }, { "end_time": "13:33", "start_time": "13:25", "text": "Whereas I realized that especially when you have something that you're mentally feeling, like, you can't move on from, you have to find support." }, { "end_time": "13:35", "start_time": "13:33", "text": "You have to find someone you can rely on." }, { "end_time": "13:37", "start_time": "13:35", "text": "I relied a lot on my friends at that point." }, { "end_time": "13:46", "start_time": "13:38", "text": "I relied a lot on I chose instead of being alone and dealing with it alone, I would go out, seek out people that actually care about me." }, { "end_time": "13:49", "start_time": "13:47", "text": "And I think a lot of kids don't do that." }, { "end_time": "13:54", "start_time": "13:49", "text": "We because of stuff we read and people's opinions that we read on online." }, { "end_time": "13:59", "start_time": "13:54", "text": "And trust me, no one has more opinions about people I mean, about someone as they do about me." }, { "end_time": "14:02", "start_time": "14:00", "text": "I get so many opinions from people." }, { "end_time": "14:03", "start_time": "14:02", "text": "Good, bad, ugly." }, { "end_time": "14:06", "start_time": "14:03", "text": "And I could very easily succumb under the pressure of it." }, { "end_time": "14:09", "start_time": "14:06", "text": "But I feel like social media can be good and can be evil." }, { "end_time": "14:13", "start_time": "14:09", "text": "If you focus on the good, the idea of social media was to get people together." }, { "end_time": "14:18", "start_time": "14:14", "text": "It was never to make people feel like they are, Targeted." }, { "end_time": "14:19", "start_time": "14:18", "text": "Their targets." }, { "end_time": "14:19", "start_time": "14:19", "text": "Exactly." }, { "end_time": "14:29", "start_time": "14:19", "text": "So I think instead of focusing on the negativity and taking the pressure off, it's important if you're feeling down, dark, deep to not keep it to yourself, To not be alone." }, { "end_time": "14:33", "start_time": "14:29", "text": "It's very important to find someone that you can talk to." }, { "end_time": "14:34", "start_time": "14:33", "text": "Even if they they can't help you." }, { "end_time": "14:35", "start_time": "14:34", "text": "It doesn't have to be a therapist." }, { "end_time": "14:36", "start_time": "14:35", "text": "It could be your mom." }, { "end_time": "14:37", "start_time": "14:36", "text": "It could be your friend." }, { "end_time": "14:39", "start_time": "14:37", "text": "It could be someone." }, { "end_time": "14:40", "start_time": "14:39", "text": "But don't do it alone." }, { "end_time": "14:40", "start_time": "14:40", "text": "Good." }, { "end_time": "14:42", "start_time": "14:40", "text": "That's that's your biggest advice." }, { "end_time": "14:42", "start_time": "14:42", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "14:43", "start_time": "14:42", "text": "Find support from Find support." }, { "end_time": "14:51", "start_time": "14:44", "text": "Because a lot of kids end up, like, taking their lives, end up, you know, getting into deep dark places because they think they have to solve it themselves." }, { "end_time": "14:52", "start_time": "14:51", "text": "You don't have to." }, { "end_time": "14:54", "start_time": "14:52", "text": "Also, you know, the sky is pink as a movie?" }, { "end_time": "14:58", "start_time": "14:54", "text": "From the trailer, you can tell that there's this whole concept of the mother helping her daughter." }, { "end_time": "15:02", "start_time": "14:58", "text": "And I'm sure that, the main characters have their own mental health issues through the film." }, { "end_time": "15:05", "start_time": "15:02", "text": "So what have you picked up from this film being a part of it?" }, { "end_time": "15:14", "start_time": "15:05", "text": "I think the beauty of this film was that the takeaway of this movie, which I think whenever when you guys go and watch it, you'll realize that the it's the philosophy of the movie." }, { "end_time": "15:19", "start_time": "15:14", "text": "What she means by a sky is pink is don't let anyone tell you what the color of your sky should be." }, { "end_time": "15:25", "start_time": "15:19", "text": "When Aditi was which is the character I play, was, her daughter was diagnosed with a terminal illness." }, { "end_time": "15:32", "start_time": "15:25", "text": "She was in London, getting her daughter treated alone, while her husband was taking care of her son who was 4 years old in Delhi." }, { "end_time": "15:46", "start_time": "15:32", "text": "And one day her son called her up while she was in London and was crying and stammering and said that, you know, mom, the teacher really yelled at me because when in painting class, she made me stand in the corner because in painting class, I made the sky pink." }, { "end_time": "15:47", "start_time": "15:46", "text": "And she said the sky is blue." }, { "end_time": "15:51", "start_time": "15:48", "text": "But it the sky can be is the sky blue?" }, { "end_time": "15:53", "start_time": "15:51", "text": "So the mother got so affected by that." }, { "end_time": "15:57", "start_time": "15:53", "text": "And she said, don't ever let anyone define to you what your sky should be." }, { "end_time": "16:00", "start_time": "15:57", "text": "So it's a metaphor of live your life on your terms." }, { "end_time": "16:04", "start_time": "16:00", "text": "Don't let anyone's expectations of you define what you want to do." }, { "end_time": "16:05", "start_time": "16:04", "text": "It's not their life." }, { "end_time": "16:06", "start_time": "16:05", "text": "It's yours." }, { "end_time": "16:13", "start_time": "16:06", "text": "So I found that so beautiful about the movie that it's about it doesn't matter if your life is long or not." }, { "end_time": "16:15", "start_time": "16:13", "text": "It it matters if it's big." }, { "end_time": "16:15", "start_time": "16:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:17", "start_time": "16:15", "text": "And this movie is about that." }, { "end_time": "16:21", "start_time": "16:17", "text": "So, you know, Priyanka Chopra is inspiring, but Priyanka Chopra's mom is equally inspiring." }, { "end_time": "16:21", "start_time": "16:21", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:23", "start_time": "16:21", "text": "How much of your mom have you put into this movie?" }, { "end_time": "16:24", "start_time": "16:24", "text": "A lot of it." }, { "end_time": "16:27", "start_time": "16:24", "text": "My mom was very ferociously protective about me." }, { "end_time": "16:34", "start_time": "16:27", "text": "She it was very important to her that every dream that I had whether it was small, whether it was big, my aspirations were fulfilled." }, { "end_time": "16:37", "start_time": "16:34", "text": "My parents never wanted me to have a what if in my life." }, { "end_time": "16:38", "start_time": "16:37", "text": "What if I had done it?" }, { "end_time": "16:39", "start_time": "16:38", "text": "What if I had tried that?" }, { "end_time": "16:41", "start_time": "16:40", "text": "So they always supported me." }, { "end_time": "16:46", "start_time": "16:41", "text": "They said no matter what you do, whatever mistake you make, have the confidence to come and tell us." }, { "end_time": "16:50", "start_time": "16:46", "text": "Because, like, even if you kill someone my dad, I remember him telling me this." }, { "end_time": "16:52", "start_time": "16:50", "text": "Even if you kill someone, come and tell me." }, { "end_time": "16:53", "start_time": "16:52", "text": "I'll help you find the body." }, { "end_time": "16:57", "start_time": "16:53", "text": "I'll help you, bury the body, but then I'll take you to the cops too." }, { "end_time": "17:03", "start_time": "16:58", "text": "So you will you'll always have to have courage of conviction, which was something my parents have to talk." }, { "end_time": "17:05", "start_time": "17:03", "text": "And they're big support systems in your life." }, { "end_time": "17:05", "start_time": "17:05", "text": "Very much." }, { "end_time": "17:06", "start_time": "17:05", "text": "Even till today." }, { "end_time": "17:06", "start_time": "17:06", "text": "Yes, ma'am." }, { "end_time": "17:09", "start_time": "17:06", "text": "So, you know, from the outside, again, it seems like everything is perfect for you." }, { "end_time": "17:11", "start_time": "17:09", "text": "Are there any challenges in your life right now?" }, { "end_time": "17:13", "start_time": "17:11", "text": "Or do you keep challenging yourself through your work?" }, { "end_time": "17:21", "start_time": "17:13", "text": "I just feel like, I don't because I'm a public person, it's very easy for my my entire life to be a open book." }, { "end_time": "17:23", "start_time": "17:21", "text": "But I like to keep a few things to myself." }, { "end_time": "17:28", "start_time": "17:23", "text": "I feel like I wanna be like a duck, you know, paddling furious furiously under the water." }, { "end_time": "17:31", "start_time": "17:28", "text": "But low But looking really low key and calm outside." }, { "end_time": "17:36", "start_time": "17:32", "text": "And, I feel like grace under fire is what I believe I want to be." }, { "end_time": "17:39", "start_time": "17:36", "text": "Having dignity and grace is really important to me." }, { "end_time": "17:40", "start_time": "17:39", "text": "Everyone has struggles." }, { "end_time": "17:42", "start_time": "17:40", "text": "I don't like to be a victim." }, { "end_time": "17:43", "start_time": "17:42", "text": "I'll find my own solutions." }, { "end_time": "17:47", "start_time": "17:44", "text": "They might be good for me, bad for me, but they'll be mine." }, { "end_time": "17:51", "start_time": "17:47", "text": "What message do you have for for a young girl watching this or listening to this podcast?" }, { "end_time": "17:55", "start_time": "17:51", "text": "Well, the one thing I would definitely say is there's no do or die in this world." }, { "end_time": "18:01", "start_time": "17:55", "text": "Nothing is important enough for you to take so much pressure that it defines your life." }, { "end_time": "18:02", "start_time": "18:01", "text": "You have to be like water." }, { "end_time": "18:03", "start_time": "18:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:04", "start_time": "18:03", "text": "You know, learn to be like water." }, { "end_time": "18:05", "start_time": "18:04", "text": "Adaptable." }, { "end_time": "18:05", "start_time": "18:05", "text": "Adaptable." }, { "end_time": "18:06", "start_time": "18:05", "text": "Fit into any vessel." }, { "end_time": "18:08", "start_time": "18:07", "text": "Have a sense of calm." }, { "end_time": "18:09", "start_time": "18:08", "text": "Have a sense of patience." }, { "end_time": "18:11", "start_time": "18:09", "text": "But ambition is extremely important." }, { "end_time": "18:13", "start_time": "18:11", "text": "And I don't just say this to girls." }, { "end_time": "18:14", "start_time": "18:13", "text": "I say this to boys and girls." }, { "end_time": "18:18", "start_time": "18:14", "text": "Just everyone who wants to be able to have a purpose in life, have an ambition." }, { "end_time": "18:21", "start_time": "18:19", "text": "Have the guts to find your glory." }, { "end_time": "18:28", "start_time": "18:21", "text": "It's extremely important to have guts, to have conviction, to be able to say that, you know, this is what I want and I wanna achieve it." }, { "end_time": "18:30", "start_time": "18:28", "text": "And to challenge yourself?" }, { "end_time": "18:30", "start_time": "18:30", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "18:32", "start_time": "18:30", "text": "I I find challenging myself extremely fulfilling." }, { "end_time": "18:35", "start_time": "18:32", "text": "I do my best work when I feel nervous." }, { "end_time": "18:37", "start_time": "18:35", "text": "I do my best work under pressure." }, { "end_time": "18:39", "start_time": "18:37", "text": "But that doesn't work for everyone." }, { "end_time": "18:41", "start_time": "18:39", "text": "Some people like to work in a sense of calm." }, { "end_time": "18:43", "start_time": "18:41", "text": "I like to work in a sense of chaos." }, { "end_time": "18:43", "start_time": "18:43", "text": "Beautiful." }, { "end_time": "18:44", "start_time": "18:43", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "18:45", "start_time": "18:44", "text": "Priyanka Chopra, you inspire me every day." }, { "end_time": "18:47", "start_time": "18:45", "text": "You inspire the whole country every day." }, { "end_time": "18:52", "start_time": "18:47", "text": "And I'm dead short 10 years from now, you're gonna be running one of the biggest production houses that this country has seen." }, { "end_time": "19:00", "start_time": "18:52", "text": "Because I feel like every stage people have always challenged you and they've doubted you about, like, the things you've done and you've always proved people wrong." }, { "end_time": "19:04", "start_time": "19:00", "text": "When you're dying, you're gonna be remembered as a legend of the world and not just this country." }, { "end_time": "19:05", "start_time": "19:04", "text": "You're very, very kind." }, { "end_time": "19:05", "start_time": "19:05", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "19:09", "start_time": "19:07", "text": "So thank you for being on the Ranveer Show." }, { "end_time": "19:10", "start_time": "19:09", "text": "Thank you so much for having me." }, { "end_time": "19:13", "start_time": "19:10", "text": "And if you could ask everyone to subscribe, that would be Hey, guys." }, { "end_time": "19:15", "start_time": "19:13", "text": "You're watching the Ranveer Show." }, { "end_time": "19:17", "start_time": "19:15", "text": "You must subscribe to this podcast." }, { "end_time": "19:17", "start_time": "19:17", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "19:18", "start_time": "19:17", "text": "Thank you, Priyanka." }, { "end_time": "19:19", "start_time": "19:18", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "19:19", "start_time": "19:19", "text": "Thank you." } ] }

[ { "content": "**Task Description:** \nYou are provided with a YouTube video transcript in JSON format, where each entry is synchronized with its respective timestamp. This transcript contains the spoken text along with its start and end times. Your objective is to generate high-quality, chapter-wise segments that accurately represent key points or transitions within the video.\n\n**Transcript JSON Format:** \nThe transcript is formatted as a list of dictionaries, where each dictionary represents a spoken sentence, including its text and corresponding start and end times.\n\n**Example Transcript:** \n```json\n[\n {\n \"text\": \"The narrative in the public eye is that you left working with the Modi government because your opinions weren't heard.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:07\"\n },\n {\n \"text\": \"I want to know your side of the story.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:08\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:10\"\n },\n ...\n]\n```\n\n**Your Task:** \nUsing the given transcript, generate a JSON output that breaks down the video into meaningful chapters. Each chapter should encapsulate a key segment of the video and be accompanied by a concise, informative title that reflects the essence of that segment.\n\n**Chapter JSON Format:** \nThe output should follow this structure:\n```json\n{\n \"chapters\": [\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"title\": \"Introduction and Opening Remarks\"\n },\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:07\",\n \"title\": \"Discussing the Exit from Modi Government\"\n },\n ...\n ]\n}\n```\n\n**Requirements:** \n1. **Identify Key Segments:** Extract significant portions of the transcript that represent shifts in topic, important discussions, or transitions in conversation.\n2. **Craft Informative Titles:** Each chapter title should be clear, engaging, and directly related to the content covered in that segment.\n3. **Preserve Time Stamps:** Ensure that each chapter's `start_time` corresponds to the first instance of a key topic or segment in the transcript.\n4. **Conciseness is Key:** While titles should be descriptive, avoid making them overly lengthy. Aim for a balance between informativeness and brevity.", "role": "system" }, { "content": "{'transcripts': array([{'end_time': '0:01', 'start_time': '0:00', 'text': \"What's good, you guys?\"},\n {'end_time': '0:07', 'start_time': '0:01', 'text': \"Welcome to the most gorgeous episode of the Ranveesh Show with the most gorgeous guest that we've had on the show, Priyanka Chopra.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:12', 'start_time': '0:07', 'text': \"What can be said about this beautiful woman and this beautiful mind that's not already been said?\"},\n {'end_time': '0:23', 'start_time': '0:12', 'text': 'So in the time that I had with her through this podcast, we really were trying to dig deep to find out what keeps her clock ticking, what keeps her mentality and ambition going.'},\n {'end_time': '0:31', 'start_time': '0:23', 'text': 'We even spoke about her mental health issues, her experiences in the early part of her career, how she built herself up to this point, and even her plans for the future.'},\n {'end_time': '0:39', 'start_time': '0:31', 'text': \"Trust me, one of the most inspiring conversations I've ever had on a personal level because she's someone who's inspired me a lot, but I've also had the biggest crush on her growing up.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:44', 'start_time': '0:39', 'text': 'So without further ado, I hope you enjoy one of the most memorable moments of my life.'},\n {'end_time': '0:45', 'start_time': '0:44', 'text': 'Enjoy yourselves.'},\n {'end_time': '0:58', 'start_time': '0:53', 'text': \"So there's queens that you come across in your life, and then there's, like, mega hyper super queens.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:59', 'start_time': '0:58', 'text': \"That's what we've got today.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:01', 'start_time': '0:59', 'text': 'Priyanka Chopra, welcome to the Ranveer Show.'},\n {'end_time': '1:03', 'start_time': '1:02', 'text': 'Thank you so much for having me.'},\n {'end_time': '1:08', 'start_time': '1:03', 'text': \"So before asking you any questions, could I just tell you 2, thoughts of you that I've got in mind?\"},\n {'end_time': '1:08', 'start_time': '1:08', 'text': 'Of course, please.'},\n {'end_time': '1:08', 'start_time': '1:08', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '1:14', 'start_time': '1:08', 'text': 'So the first is that, you know, with Bollywood celebrities, usually the nation always has mixed opinions on them.'},\n {'end_time': '1:17', 'start_time': '1:14', 'text': \"Like, you have some people who like you and some people who don't like you.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:23', 'start_time': '1:17', 'text': 'But with Priyanka Chopra, irrespective of age, gender, cast, all that, everyone loves you.'},\n {'end_time': '1:25', 'start_time': '1:23', 'text': \"Like That's first of all, very, very kind.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:28', 'start_time': '1:26', 'text': \"And second of all, I don't think that's true.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:29', 'start_time': '1:28', 'text': \"That's true.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:30', 'start_time': '1:29', 'text': \"That's I I I mean, okay.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:32', 'start_time': '1:30', 'text': \"Let's we'll get to the haters later.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:34', 'start_time': '1:32', 'text': \"Haters don't exist in my life.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:34', 'start_time': '1:34', 'text': 'Exactly.'},\n {'end_time': '1:35', 'start_time': '1:34', 'text': 'I feel that.'},\n {'end_time': '1:36', 'start_time': '1:35', 'text': 'I feel that vibe.'},\n {'end_time': '1:42', 'start_time': '1:36', 'text': \"But, really, you're someone who generally is super magnetic and that's why the nation has backed you.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:49', 'start_time': '1:42', 'text': 'The second thing I really wanna tell you is that the first time I ever realized that a guy can like a girl and I realized that this concept of crushes exist.'},\n {'end_time': '1:51', 'start_time': '1:49', 'text': 'You were my first crush in life after I saw Andas.'},\n {'end_time': '1:53', 'start_time': '1:52', 'text': 'So After Andaaz?'},\n {'end_time': '1:54', 'start_time': '1:54', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '1:54', 'start_time': '1:54', 'text': 'Oh my.'},\n {'end_time': '1:56', 'start_time': '1:54', 'text': 'So You really must like me.'},\n {'end_time': '1:57', 'start_time': '1:57', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '1:58', 'start_time': '1:57', 'text': 'You were you were fantastic.'},\n {'end_time': '1:59', 'start_time': '1:58', 'text': 'You stole the show.'},\n {'end_time': '2:00', 'start_time': '1:59', 'text': 'I remember you coming on the second half.'},\n {'end_time': '2:02', 'start_time': '2:00', 'text': 'I remember that movie like at the back of my head.'},\n {'end_time': '2:02', 'start_time': '2:02', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '2:02', 'start_time': '2:02', 'text': 'I did.'},\n {'end_time': '2:04', 'start_time': '2:02', 'text': 'I came in after the interval.'},\n {'end_time': '2:04', 'start_time': '2:04', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '2:06', 'start_time': '2:04', 'text': 'And my story was done before the climax.'},\n {'end_time': '2:07', 'start_time': '2:06', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '2:07', 'start_time': '2:07', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '2:08', 'start_time': '2:07', 'text': 'But but you stole the show.'},\n {'end_time': '2:09', 'start_time': '2:08', 'text': 'You stole the show.'},\n {'end_time': '2:09', 'start_time': '2:09', 'text': 'Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '2:14', 'start_time': '2:10', 'text': 'So the first question I have for you is what is the secret to this magnetism?'},\n {'end_time': '2:15', 'start_time': '2:14', 'text': \"Because it's not inbuilt.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:17', 'start_time': '2:15', 'text': \"It's something you've worked on over time.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:19', 'start_time': '2:17', 'text': \"I wasn't born with it, I would say.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:21', 'start_time': '2:19', 'text': \"I think it's called confidence.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:21', 'start_time': '2:21', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '2:24', 'start_time': '2:21', 'text': 'I feel like confidence is something you can teach yourself.'},\n {'end_time': '2:28', 'start_time': '2:24', 'text': 'Confidence is and you know, your story is a little bit like that.'},\n {'end_time': '2:33', 'start_time': '2:28', 'text': 'You taught yourself and you told yourself what you wanted to be and you worked towards it.'},\n {'end_time': '2:35', 'start_time': '2:33', 'text': \"You're one of the people I learned it from.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:35', 'start_time': '2:35', 'text': 'Oh, thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '2:37', 'start_time': '2:35', 'text': \"But that's what I mean.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:38', 'start_time': '2:37', 'text': 'I learned it from my mother.'},\n {'end_time': '2:43', 'start_time': '2:39', 'text': 'I learned it from the very, very strong people in my family that I looked up to.'},\n {'end_time': '2:46', 'start_time': '2:43', 'text': \"That showed me that it doesn't matter what your circumstances are.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:48', 'start_time': '2:46', 'text': 'It matters how large your dreams are.'},\n {'end_time': '2:51', 'start_time': '2:48', 'text': 'And, I have really large dreams.'},\n {'end_time': '2:52', 'start_time': '2:51', 'text': 'And you know what I love about you?'},\n {'end_time': '2:56', 'start_time': '2:52', 'text': \"Even now, I'm pretty sure you're as ambitious as you were when you started out.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:56', 'start_time': '2:56', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '2:57', 'start_time': '2:56', 'text': 'Everyone can see that.'},\n {'end_time': '2:59', 'start_time': '2:57', 'text': 'My ambition gives me purpose.'},\n {'end_time': '3:01', 'start_time': '2:59', 'text': 'And I think purpose is very important in life.'},\n {'end_time': '3:03', 'start_time': '3:01', 'text': 'You have to have a sense of purpose.'},\n {'end_time': '3:04', 'start_time': '3:03', 'text': 'Whatever that might be.'},\n {'end_time': '3:05', 'start_time': '3:04', 'text': 'It could be your children.'},\n {'end_time': '3:07', 'start_time': '3:05', 'text': 'It could be your family.'},\n {'end_time': '3:08', 'start_time': '3:07', 'text': 'It could be your career.'},\n {'end_time': '3:09', 'start_time': '3:08', 'text': 'It could be anything.'},\n {'end_time': '3:18', 'start_time': '3:09', 'text': 'But as a human being, I feel like my purpose is the ex I think my purpose is the pursuit of excellence in anything that I do.'},\n {'end_time': '3:21', 'start_time': '3:18', 'text': \"I don't like doing anything less than perfect.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:24', 'start_time': '3:21', 'text': \"When you're dying, what do you want people to remember you as?\"},\n {'end_time': '3:27', 'start_time': '3:24', 'text': 'I want them to say that I left behind a legacy.'},\n {'end_time': '3:31', 'start_time': '3:27', 'text': \"I want my kids to feel like, you know, proud to say that that's our mom.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:49', 'start_time': '3:32', 'text': \"I want people to say that I made a dent in my art, in entertainment, in my profession, that I'm a public person, that actually through every facet of my life, whether it was, my acting, my profe my producing, my philanthropy, just being a girl.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:50', 'start_time': '3:49', 'text': 'Can I tell you something?'},\n {'end_time': '3:51', 'start_time': '3:50', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '3:51', 'start_time': '3:51', 'text': 'Of course.'},\n {'end_time': '3:56', 'start_time': '3:51', 'text': \"So right now, Indians, when they're looking at Priyanka Chopra, every single Indian is like, that's our girl.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:57', 'start_time': '3:56', 'text': \"That's our girl.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:58', 'start_time': '3:57', 'text': \"That's what you've been able to do, like, right now.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:00', 'start_time': '3:58', 'text': \"So I got So that's that's already amazing.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:04', 'start_time': '4:00', 'text': \"I mean, eventually, it makes me I'm I'm I'm from a very small town.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:06', 'start_time': '4:04', 'text': 'I was raised in Bareilly.'},\n {'end_time': '4:07', 'start_time': '4:06', 'text': 'I was born in Jamshedpur.'},\n {'end_time': '4:10', 'start_time': '4:08', 'text': \"My dad's from Punjab.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:22', 'start_time': '4:11', 'text': \"I think that if I can have aspirations and be sitting on this chair being interviewed by you hearing the words that you're saying, it can happen to anyone as long as you you have the perseverance to go there.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:29', 'start_time': '4:22', 'text': \"So my next question to you is, when you began in Bollywood, I'm sure you had, like, a version of it, you know, before you started out.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:29', 'start_time': '4:29', 'text': 'For sure.'},\n {'end_time': '4:31', 'start_time': '4:29', 'text': 'And then it must have changed something in you.'},\n {'end_time': '4:33', 'start_time': '4:31', 'text': 'So what were those things that you saw and you were like, wait.'},\n {'end_time': '4:33', 'start_time': '4:33', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '4:35', 'start_time': '4:33', 'text': 'So this world works like this?'},\n {'end_time': '4:39', 'start_time': '4:35', 'text': 'Well, when I first I was 17 when I won Miss India and Miss World.'},\n {'end_time': '4:40', 'start_time': '4:39', 'text': 'I just turned 18.'},\n {'end_time': '4:41', 'start_time': '4:40', 'text': 'I started getting movie offers.'},\n {'end_time': '4:44', 'start_time': '4:41', 'text': 'So at that time, it was very like, oh, yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '4:52', 'start_time': '4:44', 'text': 'Being an actor is about wearing the nicest clothes and, like, getting hair and makeup done and, like, you know, saying your lines and, like, dancing.'},\n {'end_time': '4:58', 'start_time': '4:52', 'text': 'And it was very trivial in my head because no one from my entire family had ever even been to Bombay.'},\n {'end_time': '5:01', 'start_time': '4:58', 'text': 'Forget, like, been in entertainment.'},\n {'end_time': '5:03', 'start_time': '5:01', 'text': 'My dad was a musician, but that was his joy.'},\n {'end_time': '5:05', 'start_time': '5:03', 'text': 'And he he used to sing on stage.'},\n {'end_time': '5:08', 'start_time': '5:05', 'text': 'It was never in the business of entertainment.'},\n {'end_time': '5:18', 'start_time': '5:08', 'text': \"But when I started working, like in Andaz, for for example, there was a moment where, you know that song, the one in, with Akshay and me when we're in South Africa.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:19', 'start_time': '5:18', 'text': 'What is the song or Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '5:20', 'start_time': '5:19', 'text': \"When you're a party?\"},\n {'end_time': '5:21', 'start_time': '5:21', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '5:22', 'start_time': '5:21', 'text': 'The other one.'},\n {'end_time': '5:23', 'start_time': '5:22', 'text': 'The romantic song.'},\n {'end_time': '5:25', 'start_time': '5:25', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '5:26', 'start_time': '5:25', 'text': 'That one.'},\n {'end_time': '5:28', 'start_time': '5:26', 'text': 'So that was one of the first songs we shot.'},\n {'end_time': '5:32', 'start_time': '5:28', 'text': 'And so there were multiple things that I had to achieve at that point.'},\n {'end_time': '5:40', 'start_time': '5:32', 'text': \"But and once the 40 something take had happened and I didn't get it right, I remember Raju Khan was the choreographer at that time, Usaraju's son.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:41', 'start_time': '5:40', 'text': 'He threw his mic down.'},\n {'end_time': '5:44', 'start_time': '5:41', 'text': \"He said, just because you're Miss World, you think you can become an actress?\"},\n {'end_time': '5:46', 'start_time': '5:44', 'text': 'Go learn how to dance and then come back and perform.'},\n {'end_time': '5:54', 'start_time': '5:47', 'text': \"And luckily, Akshay's wife went into labor at that point to sort of set schedule went, was cut short.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:58', 'start_time': '5:54', 'text': 'And we came back to to India just for a break.'},\n {'end_time': '6:04', 'start_time': '5:58', 'text': \"And I remember going to, Pandit Virukrishnan's class and started I started learning Kathak.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:07', 'start_time': '6:04', 'text': 'I did about 6 hours every single day.'},\n {'end_time': '6:11', 'start_time': '6:07', 'text': 'And then when I went back for the next schedule, I knew so much more.'},\n {'end_time': '6:15', 'start_time': '6:11', 'text': \"And that day I realized that there is there's something about knowledge.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:19', 'start_time': '6:16', 'text': \"There's something about if you learn, even if you don't know something.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:25', 'start_time': '6:19', 'text': 'If you have an ambition to be somewhere, if you prepare yourself, you have the ability to be better than everyone else.'},\n {'end_time': '6:28', 'start_time': '6:25', 'text': 'So you you decide to level up at every stage?'},\n {'end_time': '6:30', 'start_time': '6:28', 'text': 'I I like to be prepared for everything.'},\n {'end_time': '6:35', 'start_time': '6:30', 'text': \"Even if it's an interview, even if I'm if I'm going for a red carpet, even if something is trivial to someone.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:37', 'start_time': '6:35', 'text': \"Even if you're stepping up and becoming a boyhood producer.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:38', 'start_time': '6:37', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '6:38', 'start_time': '6:38', 'text': 'I like to learn.'},\n {'end_time': '6:49', 'start_time': '6:38', 'text': 'Which is why as becoming a Hindi movie producer, I the reason I decided to do, produce Sky is Pink with was because the producers are Sid Roy Kapoor and Roni Skruvala.'},\n {'end_time': '6:51', 'start_time': '6:49', 'text': 'As producers, I admire them tremendously.'},\n {'end_time': '6:57', 'start_time': '6:51', 'text': \"They have I've done about 6 films with them, Barfi, fashion, films that have defined my career.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:00', 'start_time': '6:57', 'text': 'So I knew I could learn again from them.'},\n {'end_time': '7:04', 'start_time': '7:00', 'text': \"So I'm new as a producer, so I'm working with people who I can learn from.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:05', 'start_time': '7:04', 'text': 'Nervous about this release?'},\n {'end_time': '7:08', 'start_time': '7:06', 'text': \"I it's too special for me to be nervous.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:15', 'start_time': '7:08', 'text': \"Whatever the destiny of this film is, I know it doesn't have the the comedy and laughter and the big set number and the song pieces.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:17', 'start_time': '7:16', 'text': \"I know it's not that film.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:25', 'start_time': '7:17', 'text': \"But at the same time, there's something that has come really from the deep pinnacles of my heart because it's based on a real life couple.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:30', 'start_time': '7:25', 'text': 'Not some, you know, medal winning athlete like I played the last time or not some superstar.'},\n {'end_time': '7:35', 'start_time': '7:31', 'text': \"It's based on real people with extraordinary circumstances, and that's something very special.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:36', 'start_time': '7:35', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '7:40', 'start_time': '7:36', 'text': 'You know, the film poetry is like the real kind of trajectory of a relationship.'},\n {'end_time': '7:44', 'start_time': '7:40', 'text': 'So, have you what have you learned from your relationships in your life?'},\n {'end_time': '7:45', 'start_time': '7:44', 'text': \"And I'm not just talking about romantic relationships.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:46', 'start_time': '7:45', 'text': 'All kinds.'},\n {'end_time': '7:49', 'start_time': '7:47', 'text': \"What's that added to you?\"},\n {'end_time': '7:51', 'start_time': '7:49', 'text': 'I think honesty is very important in relationships.'},\n {'end_time': '7:58', 'start_time': '7:52', 'text': \"Whether it's with friends, whether it's with family, whether it's with your loved one, whether it's in a romantic relationship.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:02', 'start_time': '7:58', 'text': 'I think being real to what you really are feeling is very important.'},\n {'end_time': '8:09', 'start_time': '8:02', 'text': \"And a lot of people don't have the guts to do that because we are always pretending to be a certain way so that we can maintain a relationship.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:19', 'start_time': '8:09', 'text': \"But I think the healthiest relationships happen when you have the ability to call out someone and say, well, that's not right or I don't feel a certain way and you're wrong or you're right.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:20', 'start_time': '8:19', 'text': 'And to be able to talk about it.'},\n {'end_time': '8:21', 'start_time': '8:20', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '8:27', 'start_time': '8:21', 'text': 'It takes taking that cloak of being, careful about your emotions off.'},\n {'end_time': '8:28', 'start_time': '8:27', 'text': \"That's very important.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:33', 'start_time': '8:28', 'text': \"You know, so I've seen a lot of your interviews, in my life and I can see how inspired you are from your parents.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:33', 'start_time': '8:33', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '8:36', 'start_time': '8:33', 'text': \"And I'm sure you're inspired from their relationship as well.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:36', 'start_time': '8:36', 'text': 'Totally.'},\n {'end_time': '8:37', 'start_time': '8:36', 'text': 'What have you learned from them?'},\n {'end_time': '8:41', 'start_time': '8:37', 'text': 'I think the beauty about their relationship was it was a relationship of equals.'},\n {'end_time': '8:42', 'start_time': '8:41', 'text': 'From the very beginning.'},\n {'end_time': '8:53', 'start_time': '8:43', 'text': \"You know, my parents, even though they had separate responsibilities and they they always worked together, but they always gave each other respect in terms of each other's opinions.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:55', 'start_time': '8:53', 'text': 'And I was raised in an environment like that.'},\n {'end_time': '8:58', 'start_time': '8:55', 'text': \"My mom's opinion was as important as my dad's opinion.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:00', 'start_time': '8:59', 'text': 'They both took decisions together.'},\n {'end_time': '9:02', 'start_time': '9:00', 'text': \"It was never one person's monopoly.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:05', 'start_time': '9:03', 'text': \"And that's an extremely healthy marriage.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:10', 'start_time': '9:05', 'text': \"So Priyanka, they were both physicians in the army, and I'm sure that that job comes with a lot of discipline.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:10', 'start_time': '9:10', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '9:12', 'start_time': '9:10', 'text': \"So I'm sure that that discipline trickled down at home as well.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:12', 'start_time': '9:12', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '9:14', 'start_time': '9:12', 'text': \"And that's a part of your growing up.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:18', 'start_time': '9:14', 'text': \"And would you say that discipline is also the reason that you've become Priyanka Chopra?\"},\n {'end_time': '9:19', 'start_time': '9:18', 'text': 'Like, the Priyanka Chopra?'},\n {'end_time': '9:21', 'start_time': '9:19', 'text': 'Has discipline been a big part of your life?'},\n {'end_time': '9:21', 'start_time': '9:21', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '9:25', 'start_time': '9:21', 'text': 'I think people confuse discipline with, like, punctuality sometimes.'},\n {'end_time': '9:27', 'start_time': '9:25', 'text': \"But that's not what discipline is.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:28', 'start_time': '9:27', 'text': 'Discipline is being prepared.'},\n {'end_time': '9:30', 'start_time': '9:28', 'text': 'Discipline is, riyaz.'},\n {'end_time': '9:32', 'start_time': '9:30', 'text': 'Discipline is, training.'},\n {'end_time': '9:34', 'start_time': '9:32', 'text': 'Discipline is, learning.'},\n {'end_time': '9:38', 'start_time': '9:34', 'text': \"Discipline is knowing that if I'm going to do a job, I'm going to give it my 120%.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:40', 'start_time': '9:38', 'text': \"Otherwise, I'm not gonna do it.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:46', 'start_time': '9:40', 'text': 'Because when it comes to the military, even one mistake can cause a big big butterfly effect.'},\n {'end_time': '9:53', 'start_time': '9:47', 'text': \"And, that's something I definitely learned from both my parents as physicians and as people who were in the military.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:58', 'start_time': '9:53', 'text': \"And then, you know, again from a lot of times when you're in the middle of your hustle, you don't come to know how good you are.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:59', 'start_time': '9:58', 'text': 'And if you need an outside perspective.'},\n {'end_time': '10:00', 'start_time': '9:59', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '10:07', 'start_time': '10:00', 'text': \"So trust me from the outside, again, seeing your career, you're someone who's constantly moved on to the next project even after victories.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:11', 'start_time': '10:08', 'text': \"Is that something you do consciously that if a film is a hit, you're like, cool, good.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:13', 'start_time': '10:11', 'text': \"I'll be zen about it, but I'll move on to the next one.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:14', 'start_time': '10:14', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '10:20', 'start_time': '10:14', 'text': \"I mean, I really feel like you are defined by every time, you're defined by what you do next, not what you left behind.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:23', 'start_time': '10:20', 'text': \"So when when you have a super hit film, what's going on in your head?\"},\n {'end_time': '10:23', 'start_time': '10:23', 'text': 'Great.'},\n {'end_time': '10:24', 'start_time': '10:23', 'text': 'That happened.'},\n {'end_time': '10:25', 'start_time': '10:24', 'text': \"What's next?\"},\n {'end_time': '10:25', 'start_time': '10:25', 'text': 'I like that.'},\n {'end_time': '10:27', 'start_time': '10:25', 'text': 'How am I gonna top that?'},\n {'end_time': '10:29', 'start_time': '10:27', 'text': \"Or what am I gonna do that's gonna be different?\"},\n {'end_time': '10:34', 'start_time': '10:29', 'text': \"It might not be the same thing, because there's no point of doing the same thing over again.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:36', 'start_time': '10:34', 'text': 'I try not to do the same thing over again.'},\n {'end_time': '10:37', 'start_time': '10:36', 'text': 'You have to take risks.'},\n {'end_time': '10:40', 'start_time': '10:37', 'text': 'Risks are so important in evolution.'},\n {'end_time': '10:42', 'start_time': '10:41', 'text': 'Playing it safe.'},\n {'end_time': '10:43', 'start_time': '10:42', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '10:47', 'start_time': '10:43', 'text': \"You can have an existence, but you'll never be someone who's a trailblazer.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:48', 'start_time': '10:47', 'text': \"Who's a legend.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:48', 'start_time': '10:48', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '10:50', 'start_time': '10:48', 'text': 'And legendary shit.'},\n {'end_time': '10:52', 'start_time': '10:50', 'text': 'I like legendary shit.'},\n {'end_time': '10:53', 'start_time': '10:52', 'text': 'We can see that.'},\n {'end_time': '10:58', 'start_time': '10:54', 'text': \"What did you learn from your dad that stayed with you for your career and that's been an anchor point for your career?\"},\n {'end_time': '11:00', 'start_time': '10:59', 'text': 'To smile through everything.'},\n {'end_time': '11:05', 'start_time': '11:01', 'text': 'My dad was extremely sensitive, but he was also, like, my biggest champion.'},\n {'end_time': '11:09', 'start_time': '11:06', 'text': 'The one thing that I learned with from him was the hustle.'},\n {'end_time': '11:13', 'start_time': '11:09', 'text': \"He he always taught me that don't be afraid of the failure.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:17', 'start_time': '11:13', 'text': \"What you do next after failure is what'll define you.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:18', 'start_time': '11:17', 'text': 'Everyone fails.'},\n {'end_time': '11:19', 'start_time': '11:18', 'text': \"It's gonna happen to you.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:20', 'start_time': '11:19', 'text': \"It's gonna happen to me.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:21', 'start_time': '11:20', 'text': \"It's gonna happen to everyone.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:27', 'start_time': '11:21', 'text': \"Instead of sitting on your hands and saying I can't do it again, find the courage inside of you and saying what can I do differently?\"},\n {'end_time': '11:29', 'start_time': '11:27', 'text': 'How do you look back into your mistake and say, alright.'},\n {'end_time': '11:30', 'start_time': '11:29', 'text': 'That was a mistake.'},\n {'end_time': '11:31', 'start_time': '11:30', 'text': 'Great.'},\n {'end_time': '11:32', 'start_time': '11:31', 'text': 'Not doing that again.'},\n {'end_time': '11:34', 'start_time': '11:32', 'text': \"That's something I really learned from my dad.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:34', 'start_time': '11:34', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '11:38', 'start_time': '11:34', 'text': 'And that whole thing about you being magnetic, this is a part of it that you smile through everything.'},\n {'end_time': '11:50', 'start_time': '11:39', 'text': \"So the other thing I really wanna know from you is, you know, in, like, peep with generally with the Indian youth, there's these huge mental health issues that are going around because of social media and things like that.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:56', 'start_time': '11:50', 'text': \"So, through your career, have you had any mental health issues which you've just hidden by, like, you know, smiling through it?\"},\n {'end_time': '11:57', 'start_time': '11:56', 'text': 'I think so.'},\n {'end_time': '11:58', 'start_time': '11:57', 'text': 'I think each one of us has.'},\n {'end_time': '12:01', 'start_time': '11:58', 'text': \"I don't know if I because I never went to a therapist.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:03', 'start_time': '12:01', 'text': 'I kind of therapist myself.'},\n {'end_time': '12:04', 'start_time': '12:03', 'text': \"Because you didn't need one.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:04', 'start_time': '12:04', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '12:05', 'start_time': '12:04', 'text': 'I I tried it.'},\n {'end_time': '12:06', 'start_time': '12:05', 'text': 'I tried it a couple of times.'},\n {'end_time': '12:09', 'start_time': '12:06', 'text': 'There were phases in my life, especially after my dad.'},\n {'end_time': '12:12', 'start_time': '12:10', 'text': \"I didn't know how to deal with my emotions.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:14', 'start_time': '12:13', 'text': 'I was in a new country.'},\n {'end_time': '12:15', 'start_time': '12:14', 'text': \"I didn't know people.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:18', 'start_time': '12:15', 'text': \"I was walking into meetings where people didn't know me.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:25', 'start_time': '12:18', 'text': 'I was reintroducing myself at the age of 31, 32 after I had conquered, another industry in India.'},\n {'end_time': '12:32', 'start_time': '12:25', 'text': \"So, you know, all of those things added a lot of pressures on me, you know, when you're starting all over again in another country where the culture is different.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:33', 'start_time': '12:32', 'text': 'Everything was different, and I was alone.'},\n {'end_time': '12:37', 'start_time': '12:34', 'text': 'So it took a big toll on me at that point.'},\n {'end_time': '12:42', 'start_time': '12:37', 'text': \"And I don't know if I can clinically say I was depressed or not, but I really felt like I was.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:48', 'start_time': '12:42', 'text': \"I tried to go to a therapist, but because I didn't have the consistency of time, I didn't I didn't follow through.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:50', 'start_time': '12:48', 'text': 'So I kind of logified with myself.'},\n {'end_time': '12:56', 'start_time': '12:50', 'text': \"I'm someone who talks to myself and I I think about things whether it's in my dreams or whether it's when I'm awake.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:00', 'start_time': '12:57', 'text': \"I talk to myself about how I'm feeling and how I can overcome it.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:02', 'start_time': '13:00', 'text': 'What did you tell yourself that got you out of your difficult times?'},\n {'end_time': '13:05', 'start_time': '13:02', 'text': 'I told myself to allow myself to feel it.'},\n {'end_time': '13:06', 'start_time': '13:05', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '13:06', 'start_time': '13:06', 'text': 'To accept it.'},\n {'end_time': '13:07', 'start_time': '13:06', 'text': 'To accept it.'},\n {'end_time': '13:14', 'start_time': '13:07', 'text': \"I think you have to reach a place of acceptance of the fact that it's okay to feel that way instead of beating yourself up about it.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:16', 'start_time': '13:14', 'text': 'Did you also keep your mind busy with work?'},\n {'end_time': '13:19', 'start_time': '13:17', 'text': 'For a while, I did.'},\n {'end_time': '13:22', 'start_time': '13:20', 'text': 'And that was not the best decision.'},\n {'end_time': '13:25', 'start_time': '13:23', 'text': 'It was me running away from my issues.'},\n {'end_time': '13:33', 'start_time': '13:25', 'text': \"Whereas I realized that especially when you have something that you're mentally feeling, like, you can't move on from, you have to find support.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:35', 'start_time': '13:33', 'text': 'You have to find someone you can rely on.'},\n {'end_time': '13:37', 'start_time': '13:35', 'text': 'I relied a lot on my friends at that point.'},\n {'end_time': '13:46', 'start_time': '13:38', 'text': 'I relied a lot on I chose instead of being alone and dealing with it alone, I would go out, seek out people that actually care about me.'},\n {'end_time': '13:49', 'start_time': '13:47', 'text': \"And I think a lot of kids don't do that.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:54', 'start_time': '13:49', 'text': \"We because of stuff we read and people's opinions that we read on online.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:59', 'start_time': '13:54', 'text': 'And trust me, no one has more opinions about people I mean, about someone as they do about me.'},\n {'end_time': '14:02', 'start_time': '14:00', 'text': 'I get so many opinions from people.'},\n {'end_time': '14:03', 'start_time': '14:02', 'text': 'Good, bad, ugly.'},\n {'end_time': '14:06', 'start_time': '14:03', 'text': 'And I could very easily succumb under the pressure of it.'},\n {'end_time': '14:09', 'start_time': '14:06', 'text': 'But I feel like social media can be good and can be evil.'},\n {'end_time': '14:13', 'start_time': '14:09', 'text': 'If you focus on the good, the idea of social media was to get people together.'},\n {'end_time': '14:18', 'start_time': '14:14', 'text': 'It was never to make people feel like they are, Targeted.'},\n {'end_time': '14:19', 'start_time': '14:18', 'text': 'Their targets.'},\n {'end_time': '14:19', 'start_time': '14:19', 'text': 'Exactly.'},\n {'end_time': '14:29', 'start_time': '14:19', 'text': \"So I think instead of focusing on the negativity and taking the pressure off, it's important if you're feeling down, dark, deep to not keep it to yourself, To not be alone.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:33', 'start_time': '14:29', 'text': \"It's very important to find someone that you can talk to.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:34', 'start_time': '14:33', 'text': \"Even if they they can't help you.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:35', 'start_time': '14:34', 'text': \"It doesn't have to be a therapist.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:36', 'start_time': '14:35', 'text': 'It could be your mom.'},\n {'end_time': '14:37', 'start_time': '14:36', 'text': 'It could be your friend.'},\n {'end_time': '14:39', 'start_time': '14:37', 'text': 'It could be someone.'},\n {'end_time': '14:40', 'start_time': '14:39', 'text': \"But don't do it alone.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:40', 'start_time': '14:40', 'text': 'Good.'},\n {'end_time': '14:42', 'start_time': '14:40', 'text': \"That's that's your biggest advice.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:42', 'start_time': '14:42', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '14:43', 'start_time': '14:42', 'text': 'Find support from Find support.'},\n {'end_time': '14:51', 'start_time': '14:44', 'text': 'Because a lot of kids end up, like, taking their lives, end up, you know, getting into deep dark places because they think they have to solve it themselves.'},\n {'end_time': '14:52', 'start_time': '14:51', 'text': \"You don't have to.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:54', 'start_time': '14:52', 'text': 'Also, you know, the sky is pink as a movie?'},\n {'end_time': '14:58', 'start_time': '14:54', 'text': \"From the trailer, you can tell that there's this whole concept of the mother helping her daughter.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:02', 'start_time': '14:58', 'text': \"And I'm sure that, the main characters have their own mental health issues through the film.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:05', 'start_time': '15:02', 'text': 'So what have you picked up from this film being a part of it?'},\n {'end_time': '15:14', 'start_time': '15:05', 'text': \"I think the beauty of this film was that the takeaway of this movie, which I think whenever when you guys go and watch it, you'll realize that the it's the philosophy of the movie.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:19', 'start_time': '15:14', 'text': \"What she means by a sky is pink is don't let anyone tell you what the color of your sky should be.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:25', 'start_time': '15:19', 'text': 'When Aditi was which is the character I play, was, her daughter was diagnosed with a terminal illness.'},\n {'end_time': '15:32', 'start_time': '15:25', 'text': 'She was in London, getting her daughter treated alone, while her husband was taking care of her son who was 4 years old in Delhi.'},\n {'end_time': '15:46', 'start_time': '15:32', 'text': 'And one day her son called her up while she was in London and was crying and stammering and said that, you know, mom, the teacher really yelled at me because when in painting class, she made me stand in the corner because in painting class, I made the sky pink.'},\n {'end_time': '15:47', 'start_time': '15:46', 'text': 'And she said the sky is blue.'},\n {'end_time': '15:51', 'start_time': '15:48', 'text': 'But it the sky can be is the sky blue?'},\n {'end_time': '15:53', 'start_time': '15:51', 'text': 'So the mother got so affected by that.'},\n {'end_time': '15:57', 'start_time': '15:53', 'text': \"And she said, don't ever let anyone define to you what your sky should be.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:00', 'start_time': '15:57', 'text': \"So it's a metaphor of live your life on your terms.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:04', 'start_time': '16:00', 'text': \"Don't let anyone's expectations of you define what you want to do.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:05', 'start_time': '16:04', 'text': \"It's not their life.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:06', 'start_time': '16:05', 'text': \"It's yours.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:13', 'start_time': '16:06', 'text': \"So I found that so beautiful about the movie that it's about it doesn't matter if your life is long or not.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:15', 'start_time': '16:13', 'text': \"It it matters if it's big.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:15', 'start_time': '16:15', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '16:17', 'start_time': '16:15', 'text': 'And this movie is about that.'},\n {'end_time': '16:21', 'start_time': '16:17', 'text': \"So, you know, Priyanka Chopra is inspiring, but Priyanka Chopra's mom is equally inspiring.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:21', 'start_time': '16:21', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '16:23', 'start_time': '16:21', 'text': 'How much of your mom have you put into this movie?'},\n {'end_time': '16:24', 'start_time': '16:24', 'text': 'A lot of it.'},\n {'end_time': '16:27', 'start_time': '16:24', 'text': 'My mom was very ferociously protective about me.'},\n {'end_time': '16:34', 'start_time': '16:27', 'text': 'She it was very important to her that every dream that I had whether it was small, whether it was big, my aspirations were fulfilled.'},\n {'end_time': '16:37', 'start_time': '16:34', 'text': 'My parents never wanted me to have a what if in my life.'},\n {'end_time': '16:38', 'start_time': '16:37', 'text': 'What if I had done it?'},\n {'end_time': '16:39', 'start_time': '16:38', 'text': 'What if I had tried that?'},\n {'end_time': '16:41', 'start_time': '16:40', 'text': 'So they always supported me.'},\n {'end_time': '16:46', 'start_time': '16:41', 'text': 'They said no matter what you do, whatever mistake you make, have the confidence to come and tell us.'},\n {'end_time': '16:50', 'start_time': '16:46', 'text': 'Because, like, even if you kill someone my dad, I remember him telling me this.'},\n {'end_time': '16:52', 'start_time': '16:50', 'text': 'Even if you kill someone, come and tell me.'},\n {'end_time': '16:53', 'start_time': '16:52', 'text': \"I'll help you find the body.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:57', 'start_time': '16:53', 'text': \"I'll help you, bury the body, but then I'll take you to the cops too.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:03', 'start_time': '16:58', 'text': \"So you will you'll always have to have courage of conviction, which was something my parents have to talk.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:05', 'start_time': '17:03', 'text': \"And they're big support systems in your life.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:05', 'start_time': '17:05', 'text': 'Very much.'},\n {'end_time': '17:06', 'start_time': '17:05', 'text': 'Even till today.'},\n {'end_time': '17:06', 'start_time': '17:06', 'text': \"Yes, ma'am.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:09', 'start_time': '17:06', 'text': 'So, you know, from the outside, again, it seems like everything is perfect for you.'},\n {'end_time': '17:11', 'start_time': '17:09', 'text': 'Are there any challenges in your life right now?'},\n {'end_time': '17:13', 'start_time': '17:11', 'text': 'Or do you keep challenging yourself through your work?'},\n {'end_time': '17:21', 'start_time': '17:13', 'text': \"I just feel like, I don't because I'm a public person, it's very easy for my my entire life to be a open book.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:23', 'start_time': '17:21', 'text': 'But I like to keep a few things to myself.'},\n {'end_time': '17:28', 'start_time': '17:23', 'text': 'I feel like I wanna be like a duck, you know, paddling furious furiously under the water.'},\n {'end_time': '17:31', 'start_time': '17:28', 'text': 'But low But looking really low key and calm outside.'},\n {'end_time': '17:36', 'start_time': '17:32', 'text': 'And, I feel like grace under fire is what I believe I want to be.'},\n {'end_time': '17:39', 'start_time': '17:36', 'text': 'Having dignity and grace is really important to me.'},\n {'end_time': '17:40', 'start_time': '17:39', 'text': 'Everyone has struggles.'},\n {'end_time': '17:42', 'start_time': '17:40', 'text': \"I don't like to be a victim.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:43', 'start_time': '17:42', 'text': \"I'll find my own solutions.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:47', 'start_time': '17:44', 'text': \"They might be good for me, bad for me, but they'll be mine.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:51', 'start_time': '17:47', 'text': 'What message do you have for for a young girl watching this or listening to this podcast?'},\n {'end_time': '17:55', 'start_time': '17:51', 'text': \"Well, the one thing I would definitely say is there's no do or die in this world.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:01', 'start_time': '17:55', 'text': 'Nothing is important enough for you to take so much pressure that it defines your life.'},\n {'end_time': '18:02', 'start_time': '18:01', 'text': 'You have to be like water.'},\n {'end_time': '18:03', 'start_time': '18:03', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '18:04', 'start_time': '18:03', 'text': 'You know, learn to be like water.'},\n {'end_time': '18:05', 'start_time': '18:04', 'text': 'Adaptable.'},\n {'end_time': '18:05', 'start_time': '18:05', 'text': 'Adaptable.'},\n {'end_time': '18:06', 'start_time': '18:05', 'text': 'Fit into any vessel.'},\n {'end_time': '18:08', 'start_time': '18:07', 'text': 'Have a sense of calm.'},\n {'end_time': '18:09', 'start_time': '18:08', 'text': 'Have a sense of patience.'},\n {'end_time': '18:11', 'start_time': '18:09', 'text': 'But ambition is extremely important.'},\n {'end_time': '18:13', 'start_time': '18:11', 'text': \"And I don't just say this to girls.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:14', 'start_time': '18:13', 'text': 'I say this to boys and girls.'},\n {'end_time': '18:18', 'start_time': '18:14', 'text': 'Just everyone who wants to be able to have a purpose in life, have an ambition.'},\n {'end_time': '18:21', 'start_time': '18:19', 'text': 'Have the guts to find your glory.'},\n {'end_time': '18:28', 'start_time': '18:21', 'text': \"It's extremely important to have guts, to have conviction, to be able to say that, you know, this is what I want and I wanna achieve it.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:30', 'start_time': '18:28', 'text': 'And to challenge yourself?'},\n {'end_time': '18:30', 'start_time': '18:30', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '18:32', 'start_time': '18:30', 'text': 'I I find challenging myself extremely fulfilling.'},\n {'end_time': '18:35', 'start_time': '18:32', 'text': 'I do my best work when I feel nervous.'},\n {'end_time': '18:37', 'start_time': '18:35', 'text': 'I do my best work under pressure.'},\n {'end_time': '18:39', 'start_time': '18:37', 'text': \"But that doesn't work for everyone.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:41', 'start_time': '18:39', 'text': 'Some people like to work in a sense of calm.'},\n {'end_time': '18:43', 'start_time': '18:41', 'text': 'I like to work in a sense of chaos.'},\n {'end_time': '18:43', 'start_time': '18:43', 'text': 'Beautiful.'},\n {'end_time': '18:44', 'start_time': '18:43', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '18:45', 'start_time': '18:44', 'text': 'Priyanka Chopra, you inspire me every day.'},\n {'end_time': '18:47', 'start_time': '18:45', 'text': 'You inspire the whole country every day.'},\n {'end_time': '18:52', 'start_time': '18:47', 'text': \"And I'm dead short 10 years from now, you're gonna be running one of the biggest production houses that this country has seen.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:00', 'start_time': '18:52', 'text': \"Because I feel like every stage people have always challenged you and they've doubted you about, like, the things you've done and you've always proved people wrong.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:04', 'start_time': '19:00', 'text': \"When you're dying, you're gonna be remembered as a legend of the world and not just this country.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:05', 'start_time': '19:04', 'text': \"You're very, very kind.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:05', 'start_time': '19:05', 'text': 'Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '19:09', 'start_time': '19:07', 'text': 'So thank you for being on the Ranveer Show.'},\n {'end_time': '19:10', 'start_time': '19:09', 'text': 'Thank you so much for having me.'},\n {'end_time': '19:13', 'start_time': '19:10', 'text': 'And if you could ask everyone to subscribe, that would be Hey, guys.'},\n {'end_time': 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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:00", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "0:04", "start_time": "0:02", "text": "I don't sound like that." }, { "end_time": "0:05", "start_time": "0:04", "text": "I don't sound like that." }, { "end_time": "0:05", "start_time": "0:05", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "0:06", "start_time": "0:05", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "0:06", "start_time": "0:06", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "0:08", "start_time": "0:07", "text": "What's good, you guys?" }, { "end_time": "0:10", "start_time": "0:08", "text": "Welcome to another episode of the Renby Show." }, { "end_time": "0:15", "start_time": "0:10", "text": "What's really weird for me on a personal level is that there's few people in the Hindi film industry who I really idolize." }, { "end_time": "0:19", "start_time": "0:15", "text": "One of them is Priyanka Chopra, another big idol of mine is Efrae Khan." }, { "end_time": "0:26", "start_time": "0:19", "text": "So doing this particular podcast, I was actually kind of nervous and that led me to saying man man man after every sentence." }, { "end_time": "0:30", "start_time": "0:26", "text": "It was like one of those filler things you do to dumb down your nervousness." }, { "end_time": "0:32", "start_time": "0:30", "text": "And also, this happened." }, { "end_time": "0:43", "start_time": "0:32", "text": "You know, you get taught like these guys at Eton and Winchester and A head intro and via voice of Akshay Tiwari actually collapsed on Saif Ali Khan in the middle of the podcast." }, { "end_time": "0:46", "start_time": "0:43", "text": "So we had to actually start the podcast again." }, { "end_time": "0:49", "start_time": "0:46", "text": "So pardon me if I'm coming off as a little bit nervous through it." }, { "end_time": "0:59", "start_time": "0:49", "text": "I was trying to get the best possible content for you guys because this man is the most intellectual guy in Bollywood and that's not something that a lot of people know." }, { "end_time": "1:01", "start_time": "0:59", "text": "He's one of the most well read guys." }, { "end_time": "1:06", "start_time": "1:01", "text": "He reads a lot about history, and he's extremely passionate about the projects he takes up." }, { "end_time": "1:08", "start_time": "1:06", "text": "Enjoy this podcast." }, { "end_time": "1:12", "start_time": "1:08", "text": "Enrich yourself through the information that Saif Ali Khan's provided to you guys." }, { "end_time": "1:26", "start_time": "1:12", "text": "We cover topics related to reading, to learning, to even finance, and obviously, things related to Bollywood, like competition, like ambitions, like career goals, and the evolution of India." }, { "end_time": "1:27", "start_time": "1:26", "text": "Enjoy the episode." }, { "end_time": "1:28", "start_time": "1:27", "text": "I will see you later." }, { "end_time": "1:40", "start_time": "1:36", "text": "So when I was growing up a lot of people used to call me Chota Seth and I'm with Bara Seth today." }, { "end_time": "1:41", "start_time": "1:40", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "1:43", "start_time": "1:41", "text": "Zefeli Khan Nice having you." }, { "end_time": "1:43", "start_time": "1:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:44", "start_time": "1:43", "text": "Thanks." }, { "end_time": "1:46", "start_time": "1:44", "text": "Nice having you on the Ranveer show, man." }, { "end_time": "1:47", "start_time": "1:46", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:52", "start_time": "1:47", "text": "I want I wanna start off this chat by telling you, something like it's a message from the entire generation." }, { "end_time": "1:52", "start_time": "1:52", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:53", "start_time": "1:52", "text": "So we grew up watching you, man." }, { "end_time": "1:54", "start_time": "1:53", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "1:57", "start_time": "1:54", "text": "And primarily the guys, especially we've learned three important things from you." }, { "end_time": "1:58", "start_time": "1:57", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "2:01", "start_time": "1:58", "text": "The first is seeing Dil Jatai, Humtum, and Kalona Ho." }, { "end_time": "2:03", "start_time": "2:01", "text": "In that case, we learned how to be charming." }, { "end_time": "2:07", "start_time": "2:03", "text": "So we've used all your tricks that you've used on screen with a lot of the girls we wanna Did you get anywhere?" }, { "end_time": "2:08", "start_time": "2:07", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "2:08", "start_time": "2:08", "text": "Oh, wow." }, { "end_time": "2:09", "start_time": "2:08", "text": "That's nice." }, { "end_time": "2:13", "start_time": "2:09", "text": "The second thing I've learned from you is watching you in that Omkara phase when you used to come and chat shows." }, { "end_time": "2:15", "start_time": "2:13", "text": "You used to host award shows." }, { "end_time": "2:15", "start_time": "2:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:16", "start_time": "2:15", "text": "We learned class from you." }, { "end_time": "2:17", "start_time": "2:16", "text": "We learned how to dress." }, { "end_time": "2:17", "start_time": "2:17", "text": "God." }, { "end_time": "2:18", "start_time": "2:17", "text": "You're embarrassing me." }, { "end_time": "2:19", "start_time": "2:18", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "2:20", "start_time": "2:19", "text": "Very very kind, dear." }, { "end_time": "2:22", "start_time": "2:20", "text": "And the third thing is a more human thing." }, { "end_time": "2:24", "start_time": "2:22", "text": "We learned resilience from you." }, { "end_time": "2:25", "start_time": "2:24", "text": "Like seeing sacred games happen Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:26", "start_time": "2:26", "text": "And all that." }, { "end_time": "2:31", "start_time": "2:26", "text": "I want I wanna ask you, what's your mental space like right now at this age?" }, { "end_time": "2:33", "start_time": "2:31", "text": "You're about to turn, like, 50?" }, { "end_time": "2:33", "start_time": "2:33", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "2:35", "start_time": "2:33", "text": "About to turn 50 next next year." }, { "end_time": "2:36", "start_time": "2:35", "text": "I'll be 50 Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:36", "start_time": "2:36", "text": "In August." }, { "end_time": "2:39", "start_time": "2:36", "text": "So 49, I don't know." }, { "end_time": "2:45", "start_time": "2:39", "text": "I mean, sometimes you feel, you know, that you've lived more, more than half your life." }, { "end_time": "2:50", "start_time": "2:45", "text": "So, I wake up sometimes in the morning thinking, what exactly do I want?" }, { "end_time": "2:53", "start_time": "2:50", "text": "How do I wanna live the rest of my, existence?" }, { "end_time": "2:57", "start_time": "2:53", "text": "Does it do I wanna be on a film set all the time, or do I wanna be on a holiday more?" }, { "end_time": "3:00", "start_time": "2:57", "text": "How do I, you know, want to spend this time?" }, { "end_time": "3:07", "start_time": "3:00", "text": "And, I mean, the answers I come up with are usually family and friends based, but and a nice mix of work as well." }, { "end_time": "3:15", "start_time": "3:07", "text": "But I think confronting mortality and thinking about thinking about pretty serious things like Reading?" }, { "end_time": "3:17", "start_time": "3:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:19", "start_time": "3:17", "text": "Reading is is part of everything." }, { "end_time": "3:21", "start_time": "3:19", "text": "I mean, reading also gives me great great happiness." }, { "end_time": "3:23", "start_time": "3:21", "text": "Are you a good mental space right now?" }, { "end_time": "3:23", "start_time": "3:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:24", "start_time": "3:23", "text": "I'd say I am." }, { "end_time": "3:25", "start_time": "3:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:33", "start_time": "3:25", "text": "I mean, I'm quite satisfied and realistic and happy with I'm happy with I mean, I mean, you know, I'm not greedy, but I'm always looking to do slightly better work." }, { "end_time": "3:40", "start_time": "3:33", "text": "I think I'm a slow learner and I'm still learning and I'm still kind of getting better at at acting Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:41", "start_time": "3:40", "text": "And at life." }, { "end_time": "3:46", "start_time": "3:41", "text": "So, you know, the better you get at these things, the the kind of more you enjoy it." }, { "end_time": "3:46", "start_time": "3:46", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "3:48", "start_time": "3:46", "text": "So so I am enjoying it." }, { "end_time": "3:48", "start_time": "3:48", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "3:48", "start_time": "3:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:51", "start_time": "3:48", "text": "Are you are you consciously picking, like, edgy stuff?" }, { "end_time": "3:55", "start_time": "3:51", "text": "Like, we've seen your kind of content get slightly darker, slightly edgier." }, { "end_time": "3:55", "start_time": "3:55", "text": "You know, I don't know." }, { "end_time": "3:58", "start_time": "3:55", "text": "I think I I probably should be a bit more commercial." }, { "end_time": "4:01", "start_time": "3:59", "text": "But but We we love this after." }, { "end_time": "4:01", "start_time": "4:01", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "4:08", "start_time": "4:01", "text": "I kind of look at some of the stuff that's really commercial, and I feel like I really don't even wanna watch it." }, { "end_time": "4:10", "start_time": "4:09", "text": "So so I don't know." }, { "end_time": "4:14", "start_time": "4:10", "text": "I don't mean to be judgy on that, but, I think there's a middle ground." }, { "end_time": "4:16", "start_time": "4:14", "text": "I'd like to be a little more commercial." }, { "end_time": "4:20", "start_time": "4:16", "text": "I'd like I don't want to do films that that people don't wanna watch." }, { "end_time": "4:20", "start_time": "4:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:21", "start_time": "4:20", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "4:22", "start_time": "4:21", "text": "But but I think there's a common ground." }, { "end_time": "4:26", "start_time": "4:22", "text": "I mean, I'd love to do a film like, you know, I think that Gully Boys own Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:26", "start_time": "4:26", "text": "Kind of place." }, { "end_time": "4:28", "start_time": "4:26", "text": "Intellectual as well as commercial." }, { "end_time": "4:30", "start_time": "4:28", "text": "Well, not too intellectual even, but just little artistic Got it." }, { "end_time": "4:35", "start_time": "4:31", "text": "And, nice looking and and, you know, a good film that moves you." }, { "end_time": "4:36", "start_time": "4:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:40", "start_time": "4:36", "text": "But but that isn't kind of, demented, hopefully." }, { "end_time": "4:41", "start_time": "4:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:46", "start_time": "4:41", "text": "So if someone studies your career, they notice that you've been so patient with, like, picking your roles." }, { "end_time": "4:50", "start_time": "4:46", "text": "Like, all your roles have, like, this little bit of, you know, they have a little bit of bite." }, { "end_time": "4:50", "start_time": "4:50", "text": "At least that's what I feel." }, { "end_time": "4:51", "start_time": "4:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "4:57", "start_time": "4:51", "text": "Especially in that phase where we were growing up, you were kind of consciously remodeling yourself in every phase." }, { "end_time": "4:58", "start_time": "4:57", "text": "That's what I felt." }, { "end_time": "4:59", "start_time": "4:58", "text": "Well, I think it's balance, you know." }, { "end_time": "5:02", "start_time": "4:59", "text": "You gotta kinda it depends on your outlook and what you want in life." }, { "end_time": "5:07", "start_time": "5:02", "text": "And, I mean, who knows where our influences are from and what drives us and what we think is beautiful." }, { "end_time": "5:11", "start_time": "5:07", "text": "I mean, these are all constructs that kind of are created in your childhood with your experiences." }, { "end_time": "5:13", "start_time": "5:11", "text": "So there are certain films that I've grown up with." }, { "end_time": "5:16", "start_time": "5:13", "text": "There are certain things that I've watched and I like." }, { "end_time": "5:29", "start_time": "5:16", "text": "Like, I mean, if you ask talk about Laal Kaphtan, I mean, I wouldn't have done it if I hadn't grown up watching, Clint Eastwood, and if I didn't understand the relevance of wearing, like, a red East India Company jacket or riding a horse in the desert." }, { "end_time": "5:33", "start_time": "5:29", "text": "I mean, these are things that, you know, an actor with my outlook Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:37", "start_time": "5:33", "text": "Would kind of give his eye teeth to kind of do, you know." }, { "end_time": "5:46", "start_time": "5:37", "text": "But, someone else might see it totally differently and and and would rather do, you know, Housefull, for example, you know, which is great." }, { "end_time": "5:49", "start_time": "5:46", "text": "That's I mean, that that diversity is what makes the industry interesting." }, { "end_time": "5:50", "start_time": "5:49", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:50", "start_time": "5:50", "text": "For sure." }, { "end_time": "5:53", "start_time": "5:50", "text": "But at this stage, I think with something like Lal Kapitan, it's looking crazy." }, { "end_time": "5:54", "start_time": "5:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:58", "start_time": "5:54", "text": "My question to you is, how close is this film to your heart?" }, { "end_time": "6:00", "start_time": "5:58", "text": "Because it's coming after something like Sacred Games." }, { "end_time": "6:02", "start_time": "6:00", "text": "Are you Well, you know, it's really close to my heart." }, { "end_time": "6:04", "start_time": "6:02", "text": "It's been like a passion project." }, { "end_time": "6:06", "start_time": "6:04", "text": "It was, like, so hard." }, { "end_time": "6:07", "start_time": "6:06", "text": "Why is it a passion project?" }, { "end_time": "6:12", "start_time": "6:07", "text": "Well, well, for first of all, it's like a it's a western, the kind of film it is." }, { "end_time": "6:15", "start_time": "6:12", "text": "I mean, when I say western, it's not like a copy of a guy in a hat." }, { "end_time": "6:16", "start_time": "6:15", "text": "It's a Indian story." }, { "end_time": "6:17", "start_time": "6:16", "text": "It's like an Indian superhero." }, { "end_time": "6:19", "start_time": "6:18", "text": "Like, what would be an Indian superhero?" }, { "end_time": "6:20", "start_time": "6:19", "text": "Krish." }, { "end_time": "6:20", "start_time": "6:20", "text": "Nagasadu." }, { "end_time": "6:21", "start_time": "6:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:29", "start_time": "6:21", "text": "Krish is also he's very great and, you know, amazing, but, he's kind of like a a mix of a lot of western superheroes." }, { "end_time": "6:34", "start_time": "6:30", "text": "Whereas this guy is Indian at his core?" }, { "end_time": "6:35", "start_time": "6:34", "text": "He's Indian." }, { "end_time": "6:38", "start_time": "6:35", "text": "I mean, first of all, he's not really supernatural even though he kinda looks it." }, { "end_time": "6:40", "start_time": "6:38", "text": "I mean, you can't jump over Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:42", "start_time": "6:41", "text": "Buildings and stuff, but he's a swordsman." }, { "end_time": "6:49", "start_time": "6:42", "text": "And, if you've seen those Japanese so there's Japanese kind of influence in terms of samurai influence and the fighting and stuff like this." }, { "end_time": "6:56", "start_time": "6:49", "text": "The fact that he's a sadhu, the fact that he's this mix of the East India Company, the time that this film is set in is a fascinating time." }, { "end_time": "7:01", "start_time": "6:56", "text": "It's like wilder than the Wild West, you know, like, without being boring about I mean, the Mughal Empire is collapsing." }, { "end_time": "7:04", "start_time": "7:01", "text": "There's little pockets of power that have popped up everywhere all over India." }, { "end_time": "7:05", "start_time": "7:04", "text": "It's like the badlands." }, { "end_time": "7:10", "start_time": "7:05", "text": "You can't ride a horse from one town to another without getting attacked by bandits or something." }, { "end_time": "7:13", "start_time": "7:10", "text": "And in the middle of this is like the Wild West, but it's India." }, { "end_time": "7:18", "start_time": "7:13", "text": "So we drive, like, 4, 5 hours to find the most rugged landscape we can find." }, { "end_time": "7:23", "start_time": "7:18", "text": "We, like, we take this really badass film crew and go out there and make this movie." }, { "end_time": "7:25", "start_time": "7:23", "text": "So, I mean, you need to be a little crazy." }, { "end_time": "7:26", "start_time": "7:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:27", "start_time": "7:26", "text": "But it's looking badass." }, { "end_time": "7:28", "start_time": "7:27", "text": "It's looking crazy." }, { "end_time": "7:28", "start_time": "7:28", "text": "It is." }, { "end_time": "7:29", "start_time": "7:28", "text": "It's beautiful." }, { "end_time": "7:30", "start_time": "7:29", "text": "And it's so well shot." }, { "end_time": "7:38", "start_time": "7:30", "text": "And considering the budget we had to actually pull this thing off, I mean, I whatever happens to this at the box office, I will, like, be proud forever that Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:40", "start_time": "7:38", "text": "You know, I I was on this film." }, { "end_time": "7:40", "start_time": "7:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:46", "start_time": "7:40", "text": "So, you know, you're deep in the history, and I think that's a big reason this film is kind of close to your heart." }, { "end_time": "7:46", "start_time": "7:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:50", "start_time": "7:46", "text": "So my question to you is, like, of all the history you've read and I know that you read a lot Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:53", "start_time": "7:50", "text": "What's, like, three lessons that have stayed with you and changed you a little bit as a person?" }, { "end_time": "7:54", "start_time": "7:53", "text": "Three lessons from history." }, { "end_time": "7:59", "start_time": "7:54", "text": "Well, one thing is I think men learn nothing from history except that men learn nothing from history." }, { "end_time": "8:01", "start_time": "7:59", "text": "That, you know, it kind of repeats itself for sure." }, { "end_time": "8:02", "start_time": "8:01", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:05", "start_time": "8:02", "text": "If you and especially if you're not aware of it." }, { "end_time": "8:07", "start_time": "8:05", "text": "Lessons from history." }, { "end_time": "8:14", "start_time": "8:07", "text": "I mean, so many things that I mean, the you know, that life has a usually has a good patch, and bad patches." }, { "end_time": "8:27", "start_time": "8:15", "text": "And, you know, things change, but they don't always in the sense that it's important to recognize what the good times are because when you look at a person's history, you say, ah, these 7 years were the best years of his life." }, { "end_time": "8:29", "start_time": "8:27", "text": "Now if only you could recognize that while it's happening." }, { "end_time": "8:30", "start_time": "8:29", "text": "Can I just tell you something?" }, { "end_time": "8:31", "start_time": "8:30", "text": "Can I interrupt you a little bit, man?" }, { "end_time": "8:32", "start_time": "8:31", "text": "Please." }, { "end_time": "8:36", "start_time": "8:32", "text": "I sincerely believe that the best phase of your career is about to come." }, { "end_time": "8:37", "start_time": "8:36", "text": "I hope so." }, { "end_time": "8:37", "start_time": "8:37", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "8:41", "start_time": "8:37", "text": "I feel Our entire generation is like, really looks up to you, looks up to your class, looks up to you smart." }, { "end_time": "8:41", "start_time": "8:41", "text": "Kind." }, { "end_time": "8:42", "start_time": "8:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:45", "start_time": "8:42", "text": "And the kind of content you're selecting, man, this is where it's at for, like, an entire generation." }, { "end_time": "8:47", "start_time": "8:45", "text": "Please go and see the movie." }, { "end_time": "8:48", "start_time": "8:47", "text": "I will." }, { "end_time": "8:49", "start_time": "8:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:49", "start_time": "8:49", "text": "But go on." }, { "end_time": "8:50", "start_time": "8:49", "text": "I'm sorry." }, { "end_time": "8:50", "start_time": "8:50", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "8:50", "start_time": "8:50", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "8:50", "start_time": "8:50", "text": "That's it." }, { "end_time": "8:53", "start_time": "8:50", "text": "So, I mean, what else does one learn from history?" }, { "end_time": "8:57", "start_time": "8:53", "text": "I mean, the thing I love about history, okay, is that there are all these people." }, { "end_time": "9:03", "start_time": "8:57", "text": "Like, there's things that are lost in time, you know, like the library of Alexandria, like all of Aristotle's books." }, { "end_time": "9:05", "start_time": "9:03", "text": "I mean, the only thing surviving are his notes, you know?" }, { "end_time": "9:11", "start_time": "9:06", "text": "So there's all these great people have been lost, but we get a chance to kinda meet these people in history." }, { "end_time": "9:19", "start_time": "9:11", "text": "You know, you can meet like, you can, like, almost have a conversation with, you know, Plato and Alexander the Great by reading the book." }, { "end_time": "9:23", "start_time": "9:19", "text": "So, I mean, I I feel I I remember my my dad, I said to him once, I said, you're alright?" }, { "end_time": "9:25", "start_time": "9:23", "text": "Because he was living alone." }, { "end_time": "9:27", "start_time": "9:25", "text": "He was my mom was away or something in Delhi." }, { "end_time": "9:29", "start_time": "9:27", "text": "And, he said, yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:29", "start_time": "9:29", "text": "I've got my books." }, { "end_time": "9:30", "start_time": "9:29", "text": "I'm fine." }, { "end_time": "9:32", "start_time": "9:30", "text": "So I understand that now." }, { "end_time": "9:33", "start_time": "9:32", "text": "Books and friends." }, { "end_time": "9:33", "start_time": "9:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:33", "start_time": "9:33", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "9:34", "start_time": "9:33", "text": "And you're never alone." }, { "end_time": "9:34", "start_time": "9:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:37", "start_time": "9:34", "text": "So I wanna ask you, how are you this classy?" }, { "end_time": "9:39", "start_time": "9:37", "text": "Is there, like, can you give me some core rules of being classy?" }, { "end_time": "9:40", "start_time": "9:39", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "9:40", "start_time": "9:40", "text": "Look." }, { "end_time": "9:43", "start_time": "9:40", "text": "I I think first of all, you have to be unaware of that sort of thing." }, { "end_time": "9:44", "start_time": "9:43", "text": "And and and be Low key." }, { "end_time": "9:45", "start_time": "9:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:52", "start_time": "9:45", "text": "Low key and kind of, it's I think it's to do with what we've seen as kids and respect." }, { "end_time": "9:52", "start_time": "9:52", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "9:52", "start_time": "9:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:55", "start_time": "9:52", "text": "Like, this country is so un there's so much unfairness." }, { "end_time": "10:08", "start_time": "9:56", "text": "The people that work for us, the people that drive our cars and stuff, like, I mean, I it just constantly kind of bothers me, and I'm aware that the least we can do is be kind of polite about things to to everyone." }, { "end_time": "10:08", "start_time": "10:08", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:15", "start_time": "10:09", "text": "And and I think my dad was like an ultimate so I get a lot of this from from your father if you respect him." }, { "end_time": "10:17", "start_time": "10:15", "text": "Some people don't and they join the Taliban." }, { "end_time": "10:21", "start_time": "10:17", "text": "But, you know, it's not not actually a joke." }, { "end_time": "10:22", "start_time": "10:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:23", "start_time": "10:22", "text": "They don't." }, { "end_time": "10:25", "start_time": "10:23", "text": "I mean, some people don't respect their fathers." }, { "end_time": "10:25", "start_time": "10:25", "text": "They're like, okay." }, { "end_time": "10:26", "start_time": "10:25", "text": "I'm gonna join a street gang." }, { "end_time": "10:27", "start_time": "10:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:27", "start_time": "10:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:29", "start_time": "10:27", "text": "But some people do respect their fathers." }, { "end_time": "10:33", "start_time": "10:29", "text": "And and, I think Do you think respect is the core of class?" }, { "end_time": "10:34", "start_time": "10:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:38", "start_time": "10:34", "text": "For yourself, for life, kind of I mean, most classy people Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:41", "start_time": "10:40", "text": "Have have respect." }, { "end_time": "10:43", "start_time": "10:41", "text": "So and what about charm?" }, { "end_time": "10:45", "start_time": "10:44", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "10:47", "start_time": "10:45", "text": "What about I think all this has taken years." }, { "end_time": "10:47", "start_time": "10:47", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "10:48", "start_time": "10:47", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "10:49", "start_time": "10:48", "text": "You weren't always this charming?" }, { "end_time": "10:49", "start_time": "10:49", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "10:51", "start_time": "10:49", "text": "I used to really try." }, { "end_time": "10:51", "start_time": "10:51", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "10:57", "start_time": "10:51", "text": "It was this I remember being a kid and and a lot of girls telling me in Delhi that, yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:58", "start_time": "10:57", "text": "You like my brother." }, { "end_time": "10:59", "start_time": "10:58", "text": "And I used to be really upset." }, { "end_time": "11:01", "start_time": "10:59", "text": "And then one summer, I think it just changed." }, { "end_time": "11:02", "start_time": "11:01", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "11:03", "start_time": "11:02", "text": "I think it's growing up." }, { "end_time": "11:04", "start_time": "11:03", "text": "I don't know what it is." }, { "end_time": "11:08", "start_time": "11:05", "text": "I just know the a bad thing is to be pretentious." }, { "end_time": "11:10", "start_time": "11:08", "text": "I think if you get if you you know, don't pretend." }, { "end_time": "11:11", "start_time": "11:11", "text": "Be yourself." }, { "end_time": "11:12", "start_time": "11:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:12", "start_time": "11:12", "text": "Just be yourself." }, { "end_time": "11:15", "start_time": "11:12", "text": "And if if yourself is filled with a lot of books in the head, you know." }, { "end_time": "11:22", "start_time": "11:15", "text": "I mean it helps, you know, if you've got some new fresh ideas and it's better than, you know, talking you gotta be careful who you're talking to." }, { "end_time": "11:23", "start_time": "11:22", "text": "It all rubs off." }, { "end_time": "11:27", "start_time": "11:23", "text": "It rubs off, you know, if you that you're like people, it's a cliche that you're known by the company you keep." }, { "end_time": "11:29", "start_time": "11:27", "text": "You're an average of the 5 people around you." }, { "end_time": "11:30", "start_time": "11:30", "text": "There you go." }, { "end_time": "11:32", "start_time": "11:30", "text": "So, I mean, you know, you be careful." }, { "end_time": "11:40", "start_time": "11:32", "text": "Maybe it's better off sometimes reading a book, I feel, than than, you know, just hanging out for the sake of, but maybe you're lucky." }, { "end_time": "11:42", "start_time": "11:40", "text": "You have 5 great nice people around you then." }, { "end_time": "11:44", "start_time": "11:42", "text": "Do you get a little bored in Bollywood sometimes?" }, { "end_time": "11:50", "start_time": "11:44", "text": "I get a little bit bored in in Bombay because I can't go out much, and that's nothing to do with celebrities." }, { "end_time": "11:56", "start_time": "11:50", "text": "It's the climate, and it's the fact that there's no park to feed the ducks in, you know, like, whatever." }, { "end_time": "11:59", "start_time": "11:56", "text": "So we suffer on that level, and and it goes deep, you know." }, { "end_time": "12:06", "start_time": "11:59", "text": "That means people are kind of addicted more to, you know, social media and indoor things and and become insular." }, { "end_time": "12:10", "start_time": "12:06", "text": "Don't even kind of really connect to each other sometimes." }, { "end_time": "12:10", "start_time": "12:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:12", "start_time": "12:10", "text": "That's all I mean, whatever." }, { "end_time": "12:12", "start_time": "12:12", "text": "Each to their own." }, { "end_time": "12:22", "start_time": "12:12", "text": "But I'm saying, for me, this business of not being able to walk down the road, you know, maybe quite bare in the pub in the evening." }, { "end_time": "12:34", "start_time": "12:22", "text": "It's a little less social, so I I kind of get a bit bored, and then I might be mindly, you know, self destructive as in I have a couple of drinks in order to kind of just A couple is okay, man." }, { "end_time": "12:34", "start_time": "12:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:34", "start_time": "12:34", "text": "It's okay." }, { "end_time": "12:41", "start_time": "12:34", "text": "But, you know, I just noticed that it's happening a bit because of boredom, which is that's how it is." }, { "end_time": "12:42", "start_time": "12:41", "text": "You should get into podcasts." }, { "end_time": "12:42", "start_time": "12:42", "text": "Maybe." }, { "end_time": "12:43", "start_time": "12:42", "text": "Or and you should get into Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:46", "start_time": "12:43", "text": "Maybe you could creative or just act in films more." }, { "end_time": "12:47", "start_time": "12:46", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "12:50", "start_time": "12:47", "text": "So I mean, I'm I'm I'm in a deep e totaler thing in my life." }, { "end_time": "12:51", "start_time": "12:50", "text": "I don't have any intoxicant." }, { "end_time": "12:52", "start_time": "12:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:55", "start_time": "12:52", "text": "Podcast and YouTube stimulants in terms of informative videos help me a lot." }, { "end_time": "12:56", "start_time": "12:55", "text": "That's great." }, { "end_time": "12:58", "start_time": "12:56", "text": "So I see I see a lot of myself in you." }, { "end_time": "12:58", "start_time": "12:58", "text": "That's good." }, { "end_time": "12:59", "start_time": "12:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "12:59", "start_time": "12:59", "text": "That's one thing." }, { "end_time": "13:02", "start_time": "12:59", "text": "Secondly, I wanna ask you about the last 10 years." }, { "end_time": "13:03", "start_time": "13:02", "text": "Like, before Sacred Games happened." }, { "end_time": "13:04", "start_time": "13:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:09", "start_time": "13:04", "text": "Do you kind of feel like, you know, you were in some kind of a difficult phase in life?" }, { "end_time": "13:11", "start_time": "13:09", "text": "Like, you know, when you're talking about bad patches?" }, { "end_time": "13:21", "start_time": "13:11", "text": "Well, I've never really, you know, I had a friend of mine, come and spend my wife's birthday with us in England recently, and he was really, like, so comfortable." }, { "end_time": "13:24", "start_time": "13:21", "text": "And he looked like he was, you know, lord so and so." }, { "end_time": "13:25", "start_time": "13:24", "text": "And he's he's not really." }, { "end_time": "13:41", "start_time": "13:25", "text": "I mean, he's but he looked like he was really flamboyant and comfortable and happy, but I'm I've always been a little even though I'm really privileged compared to a lot of people, I I I feel it could all end, you know." }, { "end_time": "13:44", "start_time": "13:41", "text": "So I have a very strong sense of zen?" }, { "end_time": "13:44", "start_time": "13:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:47", "start_time": "13:44", "text": "And doom could could descend at any moment." }, { "end_time": "13:50", "start_time": "13:47", "text": "So I'm really not that comfortable, and I haven't really ever been." }, { "end_time": "13:52", "start_time": "13:50", "text": "Even when the success was on?" }, { "end_time": "13:52", "start_time": "13:52", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "13:54", "start_time": "13:52", "text": "Even when the success was on, you're like, okay." }, { "end_time": "14:05", "start_time": "13:54", "text": "This is a phase and perhaps it's because of understanding a little bit about history that and I'm also quite into mythology and the Greek myths and the Indian myths and all this kind of stuff." }, { "end_time": "14:10", "start_time": "14:05", "text": "So you're aware that the gods are watching, you know, so you shouldn't be too, arrogant?" }, { "end_time": "14:10", "start_time": "14:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:12", "start_time": "14:10", "text": "Hubris and all that." }, { "end_time": "14:14", "start_time": "14:12", "text": "So so, yeah, it was tough." }, { "end_time": "14:19", "start_time": "14:14", "text": "I mean, there are times, but luckily, I think I've always had it depends what your sights are." }, { "end_time": "14:25", "start_time": "14:19", "text": "If you wanna be, you know, the greatest, most successful actor in Bombay, then, you know, you'll probably constantly be disappointed." }, { "end_time": "14:27", "start_time": "14:25", "text": "But And constantly working?" }, { "end_time": "14:28", "start_time": "14:27", "text": "And constantly working." }, { "end_time": "14:28", "start_time": "14:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:40", "start_time": "14:28", "text": "So that balance, even my wife has that balance, is important that, but I I have always had a fairly steady and and interesting job, no matter what, over the last 10 years, including Sacred Games." }, { "end_time": "14:43", "start_time": "14:40", "text": "So every year, the content's been changing, getting better." }, { "end_time": "14:46", "start_time": "14:43", "text": "If you ask me, are you happy being an actor?" }, { "end_time": "14:49", "start_time": "14:46", "text": "And it was still 1995 and we're still making the same kind of movies." }, { "end_time": "14:51", "start_time": "14:50", "text": "You know, maybe not." }, { "end_time": "14:52", "start_time": "14:51", "text": "But luckily, there's been, like, a growth." }, { "end_time": "14:53", "start_time": "14:52", "text": "A shift?" }, { "end_time": "14:54", "start_time": "14:53", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:56", "start_time": "14:54", "text": "What's been, like, the worst moment of your life?" }, { "end_time": "14:58", "start_time": "14:57", "text": "The worst moment of my life?" }, { "end_time": "14:59", "start_time": "14:59", "text": "My god." }, { "end_time": "15:00", "start_time": "14:59", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "15:02", "start_time": "15:00", "text": "There's been some run ins with the law." }, { "end_time": "15:04", "start_time": "15:02", "text": "There's been some, you know No." }, { "end_time": "15:05", "start_time": "15:04", "text": "But on an emotional level." }, { "end_time": "15:05", "start_time": "15:05", "text": "Fan." }, { "end_time": "15:09", "start_time": "15:07", "text": "See, you know, my father died." }, { "end_time": "15:11", "start_time": "15:09", "text": "That wasn't that wasn't very nice." }, { "end_time": "15:12", "start_time": "15:11", "text": "What did it teach you?" }, { "end_time": "15:19", "start_time": "15:14", "text": "Well, that all this is going to end in a hospital room with tubes in you." }, { "end_time": "15:20", "start_time": "15:19", "text": "God knows when." }, { "end_time": "15:21", "start_time": "15:20", "text": "Does that trouble you?" }, { "end_time": "15:23", "start_time": "15:21", "text": "It doesn't trouble me, but it makes me aware." }, { "end_time": "15:23", "start_time": "15:23", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "15:26", "start_time": "15:23", "text": "And I think about it, and I I just say, okay." }, { "end_time": "15:30", "start_time": "15:26", "text": "So that's where I I don't understand people who never think about it." }, { "end_time": "15:36", "start_time": "15:30", "text": "I think everything is actually driven by, by the fact that we're going to die, you know, whether we understand it or not." }, { "end_time": "15:36", "start_time": "15:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:39", "start_time": "15:37", "text": "That's why we like things or or not like things." }, { "end_time": "15:41", "start_time": "15:39", "text": "That's what it all boils down to." }, { "end_time": "15:41", "start_time": "15:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:44", "start_time": "15:42", "text": "You know you're getting like That's why art is great." }, { "end_time": "15:44", "start_time": "15:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:51", "start_time": "15:44", "text": "Because it's like, you're capturing a moment in in film or in or in, Thought." }, { "end_time": "15:53", "start_time": "15:51", "text": "Thought or like even a painting or whatever." }, { "end_time": "16:04", "start_time": "15:53", "text": "You're like freezing time and saying it's kind of defying, it's defying the oblivion of time, right, of death, by saying okay, I'll do something that will maybe last." }, { "end_time": "16:06", "start_time": "16:04", "text": "Is that a driving force as an actor?" }, { "end_time": "16:08", "start_time": "16:07", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "16:09", "start_time": "16:08", "text": "Yeah, I mean, for myself." }, { "end_time": "16:22", "start_time": "16:09", "text": "I mean, I actually, the only thing that's driven me as an actor, which I think is the same, is to, do do a film that I can sit down at 2 in the morning and watch myself, you know, and say, yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:23", "start_time": "16:22", "text": "That's really great I did that." }, { "end_time": "16:26", "start_time": "16:23", "text": "And I I honestly, I think Lal Kaptan is one of those." }, { "end_time": "16:27", "start_time": "16:26", "text": "I mean, Sacred Games is one of those." }, { "end_time": "16:30", "start_time": "16:28", "text": "I don't know about so many." }, { "end_time": "16:31", "start_time": "16:30", "text": "There are a few." }, { "end_time": "16:31", "start_time": "16:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:33", "start_time": "16:31", "text": "You know with Lal Kaptan and Sacred Games?" }, { "end_time": "16:33", "start_time": "16:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:35", "start_time": "16:33", "text": "They're slightly more gritty and all that." }, { "end_time": "16:35", "start_time": "16:35", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "16:37", "start_time": "16:35", "text": "Is that because you've become slightly more gritty in your own life?" }, { "end_time": "16:38", "start_time": "16:38", "text": "Definitely." }, { "end_time": "16:39", "start_time": "16:38", "text": "I've also grown." }, { "end_time": "16:45", "start_time": "16:39", "text": "I mean, a role like this, I mean, I actually, the sound recordist told me you're not sounding like the guy on day 2." }, { "end_time": "16:45", "start_time": "16:45", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "16:46", "start_time": "16:45", "text": "So I Wow." }, { "end_time": "16:47", "start_time": "16:46", "text": "Had to go and work on it." }, { "end_time": "16:49", "start_time": "16:47", "text": "And I had a lot of time in Rajasthan alone." }, { "end_time": "16:50", "start_time": "16:49", "text": "And Yeah." }, { "end_time": "16:57", "start_time": "16:50", "text": "I I spent a lot of time alone just thinking thinking that this guy is like a like a so they were like, oh, it's like Clint Eastwood, my director said." }, { "end_time": "16:58", "start_time": "16:57", "text": "And I said, no." }, { "end_time": "16:58", "start_time": "16:58", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "16:59", "start_time": "16:58", "text": "He's not like Clint Eastwood." }, { "end_time": "17:00", "start_time": "16:59", "text": "He's he's like a wolf." }, { "end_time": "17:00", "start_time": "17:00", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "17:02", "start_time": "17:00", "text": "Clint Eastwood is really cool and laid back." }, { "end_time": "17:03", "start_time": "17:02", "text": "This guy's more Out there." }, { "end_time": "17:06", "start_time": "17:04", "text": "Feral and more wild like this thing." }, { "end_time": "17:11", "start_time": "17:06", "text": "So he's got that, you know, so all that, how do you find that and get into that?" }, { "end_time": "17:14", "start_time": "17:11", "text": "So it's not just me, it's also the films have have become like that." }, { "end_time": "17:16", "start_time": "17:14", "text": "People are writing more interesting stuff, you know." }, { "end_time": "17:17", "start_time": "17:16", "text": "What's age taught you?" }, { "end_time": "17:23", "start_time": "17:17", "text": "Well, I think, age has taught me humility and also appreciation of so many things." }, { "end_time": "17:36", "start_time": "17:23", "text": "And I think you slow down a little bit, and you're a little less arrogant, like I was saying, and you, just, you know, a little more understanding of of things around." }, { "end_time": "17:42", "start_time": "17:36", "text": "Also that thing you said about being slightly stressed all the time where you don't know when success will last and when your bad things will start." }, { "end_time": "17:43", "start_time": "17:42", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:44", "start_time": "17:43", "text": "Has that reduced with age?" }, { "end_time": "17:45", "start_time": "17:44", "text": "Because that happens to all of us, man." }, { "end_time": "17:51", "start_time": "17:46", "text": "Well, I mean, I you know, if you're lucky, you're kind of in a decent place with friends and family." }, { "end_time": "17:56", "start_time": "17:51", "text": "And actually, I've learned the kind of life I've had and upbringing I've had." }, { "end_time": "17:58", "start_time": "17:56", "text": "Like, you know, you don't need so much money." }, { "end_time": "18:02", "start_time": "17:58", "text": "I mean, after a point, you see guys just being silly with, you know, with money." }, { "end_time": "18:03", "start_time": "18:02", "text": "I mean, of course, there's no end." }, { "end_time": "18:05", "start_time": "18:03", "text": "You can have What's money taught you?" }, { "end_time": "18:07", "start_time": "18:05", "text": "What's money taught me?" }, { "end_time": "18:07", "start_time": "18:07", "text": "Haven't you?" }, { "end_time": "18:09", "start_time": "18:07", "text": "Not not very much." }, { "end_time": "18:10", "start_time": "18:09", "text": "Not very much." }, { "end_time": "18:13", "start_time": "18:10", "text": "I mean When did you realize that you're privileged in life?" }, { "end_time": "18:20", "start_time": "18:13", "text": "I think it's I was privileged in terms of education, in terms there are many things that can prove you know, make you feel privileged beyond money." }, { "end_time": "18:26", "start_time": "18:20", "text": "Like, an education can make is a great privilege, which I really didn't think was a privilege when it was happening." }, { "end_time": "18:27", "start_time": "18:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:28", "start_time": "18:27", "text": "But it is." }, { "end_time": "18:35", "start_time": "18:28", "text": "Like, I mean, if you if, like, my driver had gone to that school, maybe he would be, like, CEO of, you know, Britannia." }, { "end_time": "18:36", "start_time": "18:35", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "18:36", "start_time": "18:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:36", "start_time": "18:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:39", "start_time": "18:36", "text": "So that that kind of thing is, like, crazy to think about." }, { "end_time": "18:42", "start_time": "18:39", "text": "I also feel your education has kind of played a role in your film choices right now." }, { "end_time": "18:43", "start_time": "18:42", "text": "Like something like Laal Kaphtan?" }, { "end_time": "18:43", "start_time": "18:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:44", "start_time": "18:43", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "18:48", "start_time": "18:44", "text": "I mean, in everything in everything you do, you're colored by that kind of thing, your value system." }, { "end_time": "18:54", "start_time": "18:48", "text": "And particularly, you know, some of these schools can really teach you about the important things in life." }, { "end_time": "18:57", "start_time": "18:54", "text": "Also, as they say, you become more woke through a great education." }, { "end_time": "18:59", "start_time": "18:57", "text": "So woke is like you become aware." }, { "end_time": "19:00", "start_time": "18:59", "text": "You get a better 360 degree view." }, { "end_time": "19:01", "start_time": "19:00", "text": "What have you learned from fame?" }, { "end_time": "19:05", "start_time": "19:03", "text": "But I'm not really a fan of fame." }, { "end_time": "19:07", "start_time": "19:05", "text": "I I don't think it's You don't enjoy it?" }, { "end_time": "19:07", "start_time": "19:07", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "19:09", "start_time": "19:07", "text": "I don't think it's useful at all." }, { "end_time": "19:12", "start_time": "19:09", "text": "I think it's in fact quite a hindrance, and it's quite quite annoying." }, { "end_time": "19:18", "start_time": "19:13", "text": "Unfortunately, in India, sometimes you have to be someone special in order to get things done normally." }, { "end_time": "19:25", "start_time": "19:18", "text": "Like, if you, you know, just want to get things done normally, you it helps if you're somebody, which is a little sad." }, { "end_time": "19:29", "start_time": "19:25", "text": "But also, let me let me tell you that you've inspired a lot of guys who are, like, around my age Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:31", "start_time": "19:29", "text": "To just be classy, be charming, be resilient." }, { "end_time": "19:32", "start_time": "19:31", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "19:34", "start_time": "19:32", "text": "So that's that's an outcome of your fame." }, { "end_time": "19:34", "start_time": "19:34", "text": "Well, okay." }, { "end_time": "19:38", "start_time": "19:34", "text": "I mean, if you do something and you spread the word, then that's nice." }, { "end_time": "19:44", "start_time": "19:38", "text": "I mean, for me personally, I'd rather, you know, go to Goa and walk around without being necessarily recognized." }, { "end_time": "19:45", "start_time": "19:45", "text": "I love being an actor." }, { "end_time": "19:46", "start_time": "19:46", "text": "Miss that?" }, { "end_time": "19:50", "start_time": "19:47", "text": "Well, you know, there's places I can go where it's fine." }, { "end_time": "19:52", "start_time": "19:50", "text": "You just, you know, your hangouts change." }, { "end_time": "19:52", "start_time": "19:52", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:00", "start_time": "19:52", "text": "But, I think money can give you a lot of, things that you think fame can." }, { "end_time": "20:00", "start_time": "20:00", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "20:06", "start_time": "20:00", "text": "I mean, you know, you're like I mean, there's some let's say you're mister Ambani or something." }, { "end_time": "20:08", "start_time": "20:06", "text": "I mean, you don't need to be famous." }, { "end_time": "20:08", "start_time": "20:08", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "20:10", "start_time": "20:08", "text": "I mean, you have the world at your feet." }, { "end_time": "20:11", "start_time": "20:10", "text": "So money can also do that." }, { "end_time": "20:14", "start_time": "20:11", "text": "Fame is in fact a hindrance to to getting things done." }, { "end_time": "20:16", "start_time": "20:14", "text": "Does it take away from your peace?" }, { "end_time": "20:26", "start_time": "20:19", "text": "I'm sure a little bit, but what it gives you is way way way more I mean, it's not peace is the most important thing." }, { "end_time": "20:26", "start_time": "20:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:28", "start_time": "20:26", "text": "So it doesn't take away your peace." }, { "end_time": "20:29", "start_time": "20:28", "text": "I mean What's your advice?" }, { "end_time": "20:34", "start_time": "20:29", "text": "You shouldn't look for peace on Chopati if you're famous, But look for it somewhere else." }, { "end_time": "20:37", "start_time": "20:34", "text": "With Sara's career, like, coming up right now, and she Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:38", "start_time": "20:37", "text": "Like, you know, she's becoming super famous." }, { "end_time": "20:41", "start_time": "20:38", "text": "What's your advice to her, like, both in terms of fame and in terms of career?" }, { "end_time": "20:47", "start_time": "20:41", "text": "You know, after a point, I mean, things change and outlooks I mean, there's not so much advice, really." }, { "end_time": "20:49", "start_time": "20:48", "text": "She knows." }, { "end_time": "20:51", "start_time": "20:49", "text": "She's got her head screwed on pretty straight." }, { "end_time": "21:12", "start_time": "20:51", "text": "So, I mean, I just say, the last time we had a chat about this was to be as as original and just to be herself, you know, and also to enjoy the work and enjoy acting and to think like a actor rather than than be too focused on wanting to be a star." }, { "end_time": "21:14", "start_time": "21:12", "text": "Was competition ever a big part of your life?" }, { "end_time": "21:18", "start_time": "21:14", "text": "Like, a big part of your mind and your existence, especially early 2000, You know?" }, { "end_time": "21:18", "start_time": "21:18", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:18", "start_time": "21:18", "text": "It kind of was." }, { "end_time": "21:22", "start_time": "21:18", "text": "I mean, competition was important, and I it was a big part of my life." }, { "end_time": "21:32", "start_time": "21:22", "text": "But I realized once when, you know, when, dear old Sanjay Dutt went to jail, he didn't help me much." }, { "end_time": "21:37", "start_time": "21:32", "text": "So I realized that wishing ill on your on your, you know Pills." }, { "end_time": "21:39", "start_time": "21:37", "text": "Doesn't help you." }, { "end_time": "21:43", "start_time": "21:39", "text": "The only thing that can really help you is is you doing better." }, { "end_time": "21:43", "start_time": "21:43", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:44", "start_time": "21:43", "text": "Improving yourself." }, { "end_time": "21:44", "start_time": "21:44", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:45", "start_time": "21:44", "text": "Competing with yourself." }, { "end_time": "21:46", "start_time": "21:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:47", "start_time": "21:46", "text": "Competing with yourself." }, { "end_time": "21:49", "start_time": "21:47", "text": "Really, it sounds a bit boring, but that's the best competition." }, { "end_time": "21:51", "start_time": "21:49", "text": "Because they're called stars." }, { "end_time": "21:51", "start_time": "21:51", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "21:53", "start_time": "21:51", "text": "We're called stars, meaning there's a galaxy of stars." }, { "end_time": "21:56", "start_time": "21:53", "text": "You're not called something that's there's only one of." }, { "end_time": "21:56", "start_time": "21:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:57", "start_time": "21:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:01", "start_time": "21:57", "text": "So that means that everyone is appreciated for having their own way of doing things." }, { "end_time": "22:07", "start_time": "22:01", "text": "Like as an actor, you like different people because the same scene can be done so differently by different guys." }, { "end_time": "22:07", "start_time": "22:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:09", "start_time": "22:07", "text": "And that difference is what makes it interesting." }, { "end_time": "22:10", "start_time": "22:09", "text": "Sorry." }, { "end_time": "22:10", "start_time": "22:10", "text": "So Yeah." }, { "end_time": "22:14", "start_time": "22:10", "text": "So And, Seff, so, you know, when I talk to you, there's so many layers of, like, intellect." }, { "end_time": "22:19", "start_time": "22:14", "text": "I want you to give your top 3 book recommendations and then your top three learning recommendations." }, { "end_time": "22:20", "start_time": "22:19", "text": "What do you do to learn?" }, { "end_time": "22:25", "start_time": "22:20", "text": "Top 3 books would be, I think, the Fountainhead by Ayn Rand." }, { "end_time": "22:32", "start_time": "22:29", "text": "I really like PG Woodhouse and the Jeeves and Wooster stories." }, { "end_time": "22:33", "start_time": "22:32", "text": "They're really funny." }, { "end_time": "22:38", "start_time": "22:33", "text": "And any collection of ghost stories by MR James." }, { "end_time": "22:39", "start_time": "22:38", "text": "What does it add to your mind?" }, { "end_time": "22:41", "start_time": "22:40", "text": "Well, there's an amazing atmosphere." }, { "end_time": "22:46", "start_time": "22:42", "text": "And right reading, if you're reading something you're interested in, there's a whole process that happens." }, { "end_time": "22:50", "start_time": "22:46", "text": "There's a connection to the words that are used, the mental images that are evoked in your mind." }, { "end_time": "23:04", "start_time": "22:51", "text": "There's kind of like a interaction between the brain and the page that is just, I think, keeps the brain really interestingly engaged and keeps your imagination as like a imaginative workout." }, { "end_time": "23:04", "start_time": "23:04", "text": "Stimulant." }, { "end_time": "23:05", "start_time": "23:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:15", "start_time": "23:05", "text": "And it's, and so I mean, you know, cheaper than making a movie, you can get an insight into a different world." }, { "end_time": "23:22", "start_time": "23:15", "text": "And and great writers and good writers with language can just create a certain rhythm and a certain kind of style." }, { "end_time": "23:22", "start_time": "23:22", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:27", "start_time": "23:22", "text": "You know, like Emma I mean, Henry James, for example, and and all these the great writers." }, { "end_time": "23:27", "start_time": "23:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:29", "start_time": "23:27", "text": "The I mean, the classics." }, { "end_time": "23:29", "start_time": "23:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:34", "start_time": "23:29", "text": "These guys are unbelievable in terms of the atmosphere that they can just create." }, { "end_time": "23:34", "start_time": "23:34", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "23:36", "start_time": "23:34", "text": "Like Charles Dickens, for example." }, { "end_time": "23:37", "start_time": "23:36", "text": "I mean, you know, just outstanding." }, { "end_time": "23:41", "start_time": "23:37", "text": "Like like, today, like, at you know, you're almost 50." }, { "end_time": "23:43", "start_time": "23:41", "text": "So how do you stimulate yourself mentally now?" }, { "end_time": "23:44", "start_time": "23:43", "text": "Oh, there's so many things." }, { "end_time": "23:48", "start_time": "23:44", "text": "I mean, you're you're still being offered really interesting, roles." }, { "end_time": "23:54", "start_time": "23:49", "text": "So films and and work, is a main part of it, like, you know, planning that." }, { "end_time": "24:03", "start_time": "23:54", "text": "And then also, you know, planning a nice holiday with friends and and celebrating life in the right way with family and, like, you know, great bottle of wine." }, { "end_time": "24:03", "start_time": "24:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:13", "start_time": "24:03", "text": "And looking forward to, I think, balancing, like, a patch of hard work followed by a kind of a celebration with kind of usually food and drink of some sort." }, { "end_time": "24:16", "start_time": "24:13", "text": "So you you're really good, and you deny yourself Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:17", "start_time": "24:16", "text": "And then you indulge." }, { "end_time": "24:17", "start_time": "24:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:18", "start_time": "24:17", "text": "And you So it's that kind of magic." }, { "end_time": "24:21", "start_time": "24:18", "text": "When you're doing something like La Al Capran, which so dark Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:22", "start_time": "24:21", "text": "Are you bringing the darkness from inside your head?" }, { "end_time": "24:24", "start_time": "24:22", "text": "It's not it's not even it's not really dark." }, { "end_time": "24:29", "start_time": "24:24", "text": "It's, like, heavy, and there is kind of, like, an animal there, and you have to find that somewhere." }, { "end_time": "24:32", "start_time": "24:29", "text": "And once you find it, I think you change." }, { "end_time": "24:33", "start_time": "24:32", "text": "That's why it stimulates you?" }, { "end_time": "24:33", "start_time": "24:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:34", "start_time": "24:33", "text": "In a sense." }, { "end_time": "24:37", "start_time": "24:34", "text": "And but I came back from that outdoor, slightly different person." }, { "end_time": "24:39", "start_time": "24:37", "text": "People were looking at me like, you look different." }, { "end_time": "24:43", "start_time": "24:39", "text": "Because, you know, you can change if you keep doing things like this somewhere." }, { "end_time": "24:45", "start_time": "24:43", "text": "Do your movies stay with you forever?" }, { "end_time": "24:45", "start_time": "24:45", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "24:49", "start_time": "24:45", "text": "I guess partially, but, you know, they were always there." }, { "end_time": "24:58", "start_time": "24:50", "text": "It's just, you know, they're they're in your blood, so you just have to magnify certain, but some things stay." }, { "end_time": "25:00", "start_time": "24:58", "text": "Depends how long you do it, you know." }, { "end_time": "25:02", "start_time": "25:00", "text": "Why why should a young person go watch this film?" }, { "end_time": "25:05", "start_time": "25:02", "text": "Because it's a it's a it's a cool revenge drama." }, { "end_time": "25:12", "start_time": "25:05", "text": "That's why that's why you should go and see any film is because it's entertaining to watch as in, you know, it's like a really nice story." }, { "end_time": "25:14", "start_time": "25:12", "text": "But this is a unique film." }, { "end_time": "25:20", "start_time": "25:14", "text": "There's been no film that kinda captures, it's it's like a proper cinematic experience." }, { "end_time": "25:21", "start_time": "25:20", "text": "You see it on big screen." }, { "end_time": "25:29", "start_time": "25:21", "text": "Today, everyone's making CG movies, and every kind of battle sequence looks the same with these, you know, crowd crowd multiplication techniques." }, { "end_time": "25:32", "start_time": "25:29", "text": "And people also warping history, and I don't know what's going on." }, { "end_time": "25:35", "start_time": "25:32", "text": "I mean, of course, we have interesting movies somewhere." }, { "end_time": "25:35", "start_time": "25:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:40", "start_time": "25:35", "text": "But this is like, like an Indian superhero Got it." }, { "end_time": "25:44", "start_time": "25:40", "text": "Set in a very real time Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:46", "start_time": "25:44", "text": "Which William Dalrymple has just written a book called The Anarchy." }, { "end_time": "25:55", "start_time": "25:47", "text": "So you could almost call it like it was set in the badlands during during the Anarchy on the cursed earth, like Judge Dredd." }, { "end_time": "25:55", "start_time": "25:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:55", "start_time": "25:55", "text": "Beautiful." }, { "end_time": "25:57", "start_time": "25:56", "text": "So, again, a mental stimulant." }, { "end_time": "25:59", "start_time": "25:57", "text": "It's kind of a mental stimulant." }, { "end_time": "26:06", "start_time": "25:59", "text": "Well, hopefully, I mean, the effort made by the cinematographers and the director to go to these forts and these locations in India Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:08", "start_time": "26:06", "text": "Where, you know, they've been dead for 100 of years." }, { "end_time": "26:11", "start_time": "26:08", "text": "And to come alive on screen again is quite fascinating." }, { "end_time": "26:12", "start_time": "26:11", "text": "Okay, Saif." }, { "end_time": "26:19", "start_time": "26:12", "text": "And my last segment of this podcast for you is, something I can only ask you because I feel like I can have the conversation with you at this level." }, { "end_time": "26:19", "start_time": "26:19", "text": "Right." }, { "end_time": "26:21", "start_time": "26:20", "text": "What do actors do with the money?" }, { "end_time": "26:24", "start_time": "26:21", "text": "So you make money through a film or whatever and then what do you do?" }, { "end_time": "26:26", "start_time": "26:24", "text": "You invested or you do you take care of the person?" }, { "end_time": "26:27", "start_time": "26:26", "text": "It's a good question." }, { "end_time": "26:30", "start_time": "26:27", "text": "I don't know what actors do but I know a lot of people What do you do?" }, { "end_time": "26:31", "start_time": "26:30", "text": "Don't okay." }, { "end_time": "26:31", "start_time": "26:31", "text": "I'll tell you." }, { "end_time": "26:32", "start_time": "26:31", "text": "I know I I spend it." }, { "end_time": "26:34", "start_time": "26:32", "text": "I save some of it." }, { "end_time": "26:38", "start_time": "26:34", "text": "I mean, there's always a thought that, you know, it'll all end tomorrow like I told you." }, { "end_time": "26:39", "start_time": "26:38", "text": "You think about money and losing money?" }, { "end_time": "26:43", "start_time": "26:42", "text": "You know, I tell you something." }, { "end_time": "26:45", "start_time": "26:43", "text": "This that guy just fell over here." }, { "end_time": "26:45", "start_time": "26:45", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:46", "start_time": "26:45", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "26:46", "start_time": "26:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:53", "start_time": "26:46", "text": "So, I mean, that frightens me and it worries me, but doesn't completely surprise me because I think that can happen to any of us at any time." }, { "end_time": "26:57", "start_time": "26:54", "text": "So I spend more than half of it." }, { "end_time": "27:04", "start_time": "26:57", "text": "And in case I don't fall over tomorrow, I keep some of it, and I invest it, and I look after it, to kind of keep things going." }, { "end_time": "27:09", "start_time": "27:04", "text": "And, and money cannot be enjoyed without a certain amount of culture." }, { "end_time": "27:10", "start_time": "27:09", "text": "That much I can tell you." }, { "end_time": "27:10", "start_time": "27:10", "text": "What do you mean?" }, { "end_time": "27:11", "start_time": "27:10", "text": "Can you elaborate?" }, { "end_time": "27:11", "start_time": "27:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:17", "start_time": "27:12", "text": "Like, if you've got cash, I mean, how do you how do you how to convert that into enjoyment?" }, { "end_time": "27:19", "start_time": "27:17", "text": "That conduit is is is culture." }, { "end_time": "27:31", "start_time": "27:20", "text": "Because whether it's listening to music, whether it's like, you know, having a nice drink of something good, or, you know, going somewhere interesting or watching something or engaging the senses somehow." }, { "end_time": "27:34", "start_time": "27:33", "text": "Money's no good in the bank, basically." }, { "end_time": "27:35", "start_time": "27:34", "text": "Like, you need to spend money." }, { "end_time": "27:40", "start_time": "27:35", "text": "Give you a sense of security and some people make the mistake because of the environment they live in." }, { "end_time": "27:45", "start_time": "27:41", "text": "The most fun thing that they find to do is to make the money." }, { "end_time": "27:48", "start_time": "27:45", "text": "That feeling of making it is what they live on, which is not what I do." }, { "end_time": "27:52", "start_time": "27:48", "text": "So I really enjoy converting it into fun." }, { "end_time": "27:53", "start_time": "27:52", "text": "Into experiences?" }, { "end_time": "27:53", "start_time": "27:53", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "27:54", "start_time": "27:53", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "27:57", "start_time": "27:54", "text": "And But in terms of your personal finances, do you invest in businesses?" }, { "end_time": "27:58", "start_time": "27:57", "text": "Do you Well, you gotta balance it." }, { "end_time": "27:58", "start_time": "27:58", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "28:02", "start_time": "27:58", "text": "I mean, they put it all in the Punjab National Bank, you'll be in trouble." }, { "end_time": "28:15", "start_time": "28:02", "text": "So, you you know, across in India, across between property and, you know, certain very safe, stocks and shares and kind of banks that are boring on the interest, but are solid." }, { "end_time": "28:15", "start_time": "28:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:16", "start_time": "28:15", "text": "So things like that." }, { "end_time": "28:21", "start_time": "28:16", "text": "Not I wouldn't get too adventurous with, with the markets either." }, { "end_time": "28:25", "start_time": "28:21", "text": "So, I mean, one hopes the economy will do well, but, you know, we never know." }, { "end_time": "28:27", "start_time": "28:25", "text": "Diversity in investment." }, { "end_time": "28:27", "start_time": "28:27", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "28:27", "start_time": "28:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:28", "start_time": "28:27", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "28:28", "start_time": "28:28", "text": "Beautiful." }, { "end_time": "28:30", "start_time": "28:29", "text": "And you learned that over time?" }, { "end_time": "28:31", "start_time": "28:30", "text": "It's kind of common sense." }, { "end_time": "28:35", "start_time": "28:31", "text": "I mean, you know, don't put all your eggs in one basket is what you're taught when you're a kid." }, { "end_time": "28:35", "start_time": "28:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:35", "start_time": "28:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:36", "start_time": "28:35", "text": "Again, reading." }, { "end_time": "28:39", "start_time": "28:37", "text": "You read about personal finance and all that as well?" }, { "end_time": "28:42", "start_time": "28:39", "text": "A little bit, but this is more moral of the story." }, { "end_time": "28:44", "start_time": "28:42", "text": "What is that story that says don't put all your eggs in one basket?" }, { "end_time": "28:48", "start_time": "28:44", "text": "Like a Jakarta tale or one of those comics you read when you're a kid." }, { "end_time": "28:48", "start_time": "28:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:49", "start_time": "28:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:50", "start_time": "28:49", "text": "I mean, everyone knows the moral." }, { "end_time": "28:50", "start_time": "28:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:00", "start_time": "28:51", "text": "Not as an actor, not as someone from the Indian film industry, but could you give a young 22 year old, 23 year old human some career advice?" }, { "end_time": "29:05", "start_time": "29:01", "text": "Well, if you if you you know, I think you gotta find your vocation." }, { "end_time": "29:08", "start_time": "29:06", "text": "You gotta find what really it's called a vocation." }, { "end_time": "29:09", "start_time": "29:08", "text": "It's from Latin." }, { "end_time": "29:14", "start_time": "29:10", "text": "So it's like a voice that speaks to you, that tells you this is where you should be." }, { "end_time": "29:16", "start_time": "29:14", "text": "A lot of people are in the wrong job." }, { "end_time": "29:23", "start_time": "29:16", "text": "So if you find the right job for yourself, and hopefully you really love it, you know, you have to love it." }, { "end_time": "29:23", "start_time": "29:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:33", "start_time": "29:23", "text": "And and it's all changing now I don't know I mean those classic jobs like doctor and lawyer and there's so many things now you can be a YouTuber or a podcast?" }, { "end_time": "29:40", "start_time": "29:33", "text": "Yeah so follow your heart as long as if you're passionate about it you might be good at it and on an emotional level what's your advice on a human level?" }, { "end_time": "29:41", "start_time": "29:41", "text": "To people?" }, { "end_time": "29:42", "start_time": "29:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:44", "start_time": "29:42", "text": "About relationships or whatever." }, { "end_time": "29:46", "start_time": "29:45", "text": "Gosh." }, { "end_time": "29:48", "start_time": "29:46", "text": "So many things to say that I've learned." }, { "end_time": "29:49", "start_time": "29:48", "text": "I mean, I learned from me." }, { "end_time": "29:50", "start_time": "29:49", "text": "I mean You can go for it all." }, { "end_time": "29:50", "start_time": "29:50", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "29:51", "start_time": "29:50", "text": "I'm just saying." }, { "end_time": "29:58", "start_time": "29:51", "text": "I mean, you know, the idea is to try and be kind and to be nice to each other, of course, and, you know, read about Jesus and yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:59", "start_time": "29:58", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:59", "start_time": "29:59", "text": "Seriously." }, { "end_time": "29:59", "start_time": "29:59", "text": "I mean, yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:01", "start_time": "29:59", "text": "It was a wonderful outlook to life." }, { "end_time": "30:02", "start_time": "30:01", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:06", "start_time": "30:03", "text": "But, I mean, there's so many things." }, { "end_time": "30:08", "start_time": "30:06", "text": "I I mean, I don't wanna sound like like I'm preaching." }, { "end_time": "30:09", "start_time": "30:08", "text": "But just be a nice person." }, { "end_time": "30:12", "start_time": "30:10", "text": "I mean, that's so easy to say." }, { "end_time": "30:14", "start_time": "30:12", "text": "Don't But, yeah, just make sure you sleep well at night." }, { "end_time": "30:15", "start_time": "30:14", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "30:15", "start_time": "30:15", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "30:16", "start_time": "30:15", "text": "Without guilt." }, { "end_time": "30:16", "start_time": "30:16", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:19", "start_time": "30:16", "text": "Try if you keep yourself guilt free okay." }, { "end_time": "30:20", "start_time": "30:19", "text": "I'll tell you what slightly deeper." }, { "end_time": "30:27", "start_time": "30:21", "text": "If you like all you have to ever read really is Shakespeare and Milton." }, { "end_time": "30:36", "start_time": "30:27", "text": "So Shakespeare in in Hamlet, Polonius' speech where he tells his son, who is leaving and going somewhere, gives him some advice." }, { "end_time": "30:40", "start_time": "30:36", "text": "So you just read Polonius' speech to his son and just follow that." }, { "end_time": "30:46", "start_time": "30:40", "text": "The last few lines of it are, and above all else, to thine own self be true." }, { "end_time": "30:47", "start_time": "30:46", "text": "So be true to yourself." }, { "end_time": "30:51", "start_time": "30:47", "text": "For then, as sure as night follows day, you cannot be false to anyone else." }, { "end_time": "30:52", "start_time": "30:51", "text": "Beautiful." }, { "end_time": "30:52", "start_time": "30:52", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "30:55", "start_time": "30:52", "text": "So that I think is good advice from father to his son." }, { "end_time": "30:57", "start_time": "30:55", "text": "Saif Ali Khan, thank you so much, man." }, { "end_time": "30:58", "start_time": "30:57", "text": "Learned a lot from you." }, { "end_time": "31:00", "start_time": "30:58", "text": "Learned a lot from this particular conversation." }, { "end_time": "31:04", "start_time": "31:00", "text": "If you could ask everyone to subscribe to beer biceps, it will make my day." }, { "end_time": "31:04", "start_time": "31:04", "text": "Hi." }, { "end_time": "31:08", "start_time": "31:04", "text": "This is Saif Ali Khan, and please subscribe to beer biceps." }, { "end_time": "31:08", "start_time": "31:08", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:09", "start_time": "31:08", "text": "Thank you, Saif." }, { "end_time": "31:10", "start_time": "31:09", "text": "Alright." }, { "end_time": "31:10", "start_time": "31:10", "text": "Pleasure." } ] }

[ { "content": "**Task Description:** \nYou are provided with a YouTube video transcript in JSON format, where each entry is synchronized with its respective timestamp. This transcript contains the spoken text along with its start and end times. Your objective is to generate high-quality, chapter-wise segments that accurately represent key points or transitions within the video.\n\n**Transcript JSON Format:** \nThe transcript is formatted as a list of dictionaries, where each dictionary represents a spoken sentence, including its text and corresponding start and end times.\n\n**Example Transcript:** \n```json\n[\n {\n \"text\": \"The narrative in the public eye is that you left working with the Modi government because your opinions weren't heard.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:07\"\n },\n {\n \"text\": \"I want to know your side of the story.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:08\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:10\"\n },\n ...\n]\n```\n\n**Your Task:** \nUsing the given transcript, generate a JSON output that breaks down the video into meaningful chapters. Each chapter should encapsulate a key segment of the video and be accompanied by a concise, informative title that reflects the essence of that segment.\n\n**Chapter JSON Format:** \nThe output should follow this structure:\n```json\n{\n \"chapters\": [\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"title\": \"Introduction and Opening Remarks\"\n },\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:07\",\n \"title\": \"Discussing the Exit from Modi Government\"\n },\n ...\n ]\n}\n```\n\n**Requirements:** \n1. **Identify Key Segments:** Extract significant portions of the transcript that represent shifts in topic, important discussions, or transitions in conversation.\n2. **Craft Informative Titles:** Each chapter title should be clear, engaging, and directly related to the content covered in that segment.\n3. **Preserve Time Stamps:** Ensure that each chapter's `start_time` corresponds to the first instance of a key topic or segment in the transcript.\n4. **Conciseness is Key:** While titles should be descriptive, avoid making them overly lengthy. Aim for a balance between informativeness and brevity.", "role": "system" }, { "content": "{'transcripts': array([{'end_time': '0:00', 'start_time': '0:00', 'text': 'Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '0:04', 'start_time': '0:02', 'text': \"I don't sound like that.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:05', 'start_time': '0:04', 'text': \"I don't sound like that.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:05', 'start_time': '0:05', 'text': 'Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '0:06', 'start_time': '0:05', 'text': 'Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '0:06', 'start_time': '0:06', 'text': 'Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '0:08', 'start_time': '0:07', 'text': \"What's good, you guys?\"},\n {'end_time': '0:10', 'start_time': '0:08', 'text': 'Welcome to another episode of the Renby Show.'},\n {'end_time': '0:15', 'start_time': '0:10', 'text': \"What's really weird for me on a personal level is that there's few people in the Hindi film industry who I really idolize.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:19', 'start_time': '0:15', 'text': 'One of them is Priyanka Chopra, another big idol of mine is Efrae Khan.'},\n {'end_time': '0:26', 'start_time': '0:19', 'text': 'So doing this particular podcast, I was actually kind of nervous and that led me to saying man man man after every sentence.'},\n {'end_time': '0:30', 'start_time': '0:26', 'text': 'It was like one of those filler things you do to dumb down your nervousness.'},\n {'end_time': '0:32', 'start_time': '0:30', 'text': 'And also, this happened.'},\n {'end_time': '0:43', 'start_time': '0:32', 'text': 'You know, you get taught like these guys at Eton and Winchester and A head intro and via voice of Akshay Tiwari actually collapsed on Saif Ali Khan in the middle of the podcast.'},\n {'end_time': '0:46', 'start_time': '0:43', 'text': 'So we had to actually start the podcast again.'},\n {'end_time': '0:49', 'start_time': '0:46', 'text': \"So pardon me if I'm coming off as a little bit nervous through it.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:59', 'start_time': '0:49', 'text': \"I was trying to get the best possible content for you guys because this man is the most intellectual guy in Bollywood and that's not something that a lot of people know.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:01', 'start_time': '0:59', 'text': \"He's one of the most well read guys.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:06', 'start_time': '1:01', 'text': \"He reads a lot about history, and he's extremely passionate about the projects he takes up.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:08', 'start_time': '1:06', 'text': 'Enjoy this podcast.'},\n {'end_time': '1:12', 'start_time': '1:08', 'text': \"Enrich yourself through the information that Saif Ali Khan's provided to you guys.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:26', 'start_time': '1:12', 'text': 'We cover topics related to reading, to learning, to even finance, and obviously, things related to Bollywood, like competition, like ambitions, like career goals, and the evolution of India.'},\n {'end_time': '1:27', 'start_time': '1:26', 'text': 'Enjoy the episode.'},\n {'end_time': '1:28', 'start_time': '1:27', 'text': 'I will see you later.'},\n {'end_time': '1:40', 'start_time': '1:36', 'text': \"So when I was growing up a lot of people used to call me Chota Seth and I'm with Bara Seth today.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:41', 'start_time': '1:40', 'text': 'Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '1:43', 'start_time': '1:41', 'text': 'Zefeli Khan Nice having you.'},\n {'end_time': '1:43', 'start_time': '1:43', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '1:44', 'start_time': '1:43', 'text': 'Thanks.'},\n {'end_time': '1:46', 'start_time': '1:44', 'text': 'Nice having you on the Ranveer show, man.'},\n {'end_time': '1:47', 'start_time': '1:46', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '1:52', 'start_time': '1:47', 'text': \"I want I wanna start off this chat by telling you, something like it's a message from the entire generation.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:52', 'start_time': '1:52', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '1:53', 'start_time': '1:52', 'text': 'So we grew up watching you, man.'},\n {'end_time': '1:54', 'start_time': '1:53', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '1:57', 'start_time': '1:54', 'text': \"And primarily the guys, especially we've learned three important things from you.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:58', 'start_time': '1:57', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '2:01', 'start_time': '1:58', 'text': 'The first is seeing Dil Jatai, Humtum, and Kalona Ho.'},\n {'end_time': '2:03', 'start_time': '2:01', 'text': 'In that case, we learned how to be charming.'},\n {'end_time': '2:07', 'start_time': '2:03', 'text': \"So we've used all your tricks that you've used on screen with a lot of the girls we wanna Did you get anywhere?\"},\n {'end_time': '2:08', 'start_time': '2:07', 'text': 'Of course.'},\n {'end_time': '2:08', 'start_time': '2:08', 'text': 'Oh, wow.'},\n {'end_time': '2:09', 'start_time': '2:08', 'text': \"That's nice.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:13', 'start_time': '2:09', 'text': \"The second thing I've learned from you is watching you in that Omkara phase when you used to come and chat shows.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:15', 'start_time': '2:13', 'text': 'You used to host award shows.'},\n {'end_time': '2:15', 'start_time': '2:15', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '2:16', 'start_time': '2:15', 'text': 'We learned class from you.'},\n {'end_time': '2:17', 'start_time': '2:16', 'text': 'We learned how to dress.'},\n {'end_time': '2:17', 'start_time': '2:17', 'text': 'God.'},\n {'end_time': '2:18', 'start_time': '2:17', 'text': \"You're embarrassing me.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:19', 'start_time': '2:18', 'text': 'Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '2:20', 'start_time': '2:19', 'text': 'Very very kind, dear.'},\n {'end_time': '2:22', 'start_time': '2:20', 'text': 'And the third thing is a more human thing.'},\n {'end_time': '2:24', 'start_time': '2:22', 'text': 'We learned resilience from you.'},\n {'end_time': '2:25', 'start_time': '2:24', 'text': 'Like seeing sacred games happen Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '2:26', 'start_time': '2:26', 'text': 'And all that.'},\n {'end_time': '2:31', 'start_time': '2:26', 'text': \"I want I wanna ask you, what's your mental space like right now at this age?\"},\n {'end_time': '2:33', 'start_time': '2:31', 'text': \"You're about to turn, like, 50?\"},\n {'end_time': '2:33', 'start_time': '2:33', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '2:35', 'start_time': '2:33', 'text': 'About to turn 50 next next year.'},\n {'end_time': '2:36', 'start_time': '2:35', 'text': \"I'll be 50 Yeah.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:36', 'start_time': '2:36', 'text': 'In August.'},\n {'end_time': '2:39', 'start_time': '2:36', 'text': \"So 49, I don't know.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:45', 'start_time': '2:39', 'text': \"I mean, sometimes you feel, you know, that you've lived more, more than half your life.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:50', 'start_time': '2:45', 'text': 'So, I wake up sometimes in the morning thinking, what exactly do I want?'},\n {'end_time': '2:53', 'start_time': '2:50', 'text': 'How do I wanna live the rest of my, existence?'},\n {'end_time': '2:57', 'start_time': '2:53', 'text': 'Does it do I wanna be on a film set all the time, or do I wanna be on a holiday more?'},\n {'end_time': '3:00', 'start_time': '2:57', 'text': 'How do I, you know, want to spend this time?'},\n {'end_time': '3:07', 'start_time': '3:00', 'text': 'And, I mean, the answers I come up with are usually family and friends based, but and a nice mix of work as well.'},\n {'end_time': '3:15', 'start_time': '3:07', 'text': 'But I think confronting mortality and thinking about thinking about pretty serious things like Reading?'},\n {'end_time': '3:17', 'start_time': '3:17', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '3:19', 'start_time': '3:17', 'text': 'Reading is is part of everything.'},\n {'end_time': '3:21', 'start_time': '3:19', 'text': 'I mean, reading also gives me great great happiness.'},\n {'end_time': '3:23', 'start_time': '3:21', 'text': 'Are you a good mental space right now?'},\n {'end_time': '3:23', 'start_time': '3:23', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '3:24', 'start_time': '3:23', 'text': \"I'd say I am.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:25', 'start_time': '3:24', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '3:33', 'start_time': '3:25', 'text': \"I mean, I'm quite satisfied and realistic and happy with I'm happy with I mean, I mean, you know, I'm not greedy, but I'm always looking to do slightly better work.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:40', 'start_time': '3:33', 'text': \"I think I'm a slow learner and I'm still learning and I'm still kind of getting better at at acting Yeah.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:41', 'start_time': '3:40', 'text': 'And at life.'},\n {'end_time': '3:46', 'start_time': '3:41', 'text': 'So, you know, the better you get at these things, the the kind of more you enjoy it.'},\n {'end_time': '3:46', 'start_time': '3:46', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '3:48', 'start_time': '3:46', 'text': 'So so I am enjoying it.'},\n {'end_time': '3:48', 'start_time': '3:48', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '3:48', 'start_time': '3:48', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '3:51', 'start_time': '3:48', 'text': 'Are you are you consciously picking, like, edgy stuff?'},\n {'end_time': '3:55', 'start_time': '3:51', 'text': \"Like, we've seen your kind of content get slightly darker, slightly edgier.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:55', 'start_time': '3:55', 'text': \"You know, I don't know.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:58', 'start_time': '3:55', 'text': 'I think I I probably should be a bit more commercial.'},\n {'end_time': '4:01', 'start_time': '3:59', 'text': 'But but We we love this after.'},\n {'end_time': '4:01', 'start_time': '4:01', 'text': \"I don't know.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:08', 'start_time': '4:01', 'text': \"I kind of look at some of the stuff that's really commercial, and I feel like I really don't even wanna watch it.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:10', 'start_time': '4:09', 'text': \"So so I don't know.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:14', 'start_time': '4:10', 'text': \"I don't mean to be judgy on that, but, I think there's a middle ground.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:16', 'start_time': '4:14', 'text': \"I'd like to be a little more commercial.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:20', 'start_time': '4:16', 'text': \"I'd like I don't want to do films that that people don't wanna watch.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:20', 'start_time': '4:20', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '4:21', 'start_time': '4:20', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '4:22', 'start_time': '4:21', 'text': \"But but I think there's a common ground.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:26', 'start_time': '4:22', 'text': \"I mean, I'd love to do a film like, you know, I think that Gully Boys own Yeah.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:26', 'start_time': '4:26', 'text': 'Kind of place.'},\n {'end_time': '4:28', 'start_time': '4:26', 'text': 'Intellectual as well as commercial.'},\n {'end_time': '4:30', 'start_time': '4:28', 'text': 'Well, not too intellectual even, but just little artistic Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '4:35', 'start_time': '4:31', 'text': 'And, nice looking and and, you know, a good film that moves you.'},\n {'end_time': '4:36', 'start_time': '4:35', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '4:40', 'start_time': '4:36', 'text': \"But but that isn't kind of, demented, hopefully.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:41', 'start_time': '4:40', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '4:46', 'start_time': '4:41', 'text': \"So if someone studies your career, they notice that you've been so patient with, like, picking your roles.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:50', 'start_time': '4:46', 'text': 'Like, all your roles have, like, this little bit of, you know, they have a little bit of bite.'},\n {'end_time': '4:50', 'start_time': '4:50', 'text': \"At least that's what I feel.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:51', 'start_time': '4:50', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '4:57', 'start_time': '4:51', 'text': 'Especially in that phase where we were growing up, you were kind of consciously remodeling yourself in every phase.'},\n {'end_time': '4:58', 'start_time': '4:57', 'text': \"That's what I felt.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:59', 'start_time': '4:58', 'text': \"Well, I think it's balance, you know.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:02', 'start_time': '4:59', 'text': 'You gotta kinda it depends on your outlook and what you want in life.'},\n {'end_time': '5:07', 'start_time': '5:02', 'text': 'And, I mean, who knows where our influences are from and what drives us and what we think is beautiful.'},\n {'end_time': '5:11', 'start_time': '5:07', 'text': 'I mean, these are all constructs that kind of are created in your childhood with your experiences.'},\n {'end_time': '5:13', 'start_time': '5:11', 'text': \"So there are certain films that I've grown up with.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:16', 'start_time': '5:13', 'text': \"There are certain things that I've watched and I like.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:29', 'start_time': '5:16', 'text': \"Like, I mean, if you ask talk about Laal Kaphtan, I mean, I wouldn't have done it if I hadn't grown up watching, Clint Eastwood, and if I didn't understand the relevance of wearing, like, a red East India Company jacket or riding a horse in the desert.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:33', 'start_time': '5:29', 'text': 'I mean, these are things that, you know, an actor with my outlook Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '5:37', 'start_time': '5:33', 'text': 'Would kind of give his eye teeth to kind of do, you know.'},\n {'end_time': '5:46', 'start_time': '5:37', 'text': 'But, someone else might see it totally differently and and and would rather do, you know, Housefull, for example, you know, which is great.'},\n {'end_time': '5:49', 'start_time': '5:46', 'text': \"That's I mean, that that diversity is what makes the industry interesting.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:50', 'start_time': '5:49', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '5:50', 'start_time': '5:50', 'text': 'For sure.'},\n {'end_time': '5:53', 'start_time': '5:50', 'text': \"But at this stage, I think with something like Lal Kapitan, it's looking crazy.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:54', 'start_time': '5:53', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '5:58', 'start_time': '5:54', 'text': 'My question to you is, how close is this film to your heart?'},\n {'end_time': '6:00', 'start_time': '5:58', 'text': \"Because it's coming after something like Sacred Games.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:02', 'start_time': '6:00', 'text': \"Are you Well, you know, it's really close to my heart.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:04', 'start_time': '6:02', 'text': \"It's been like a passion project.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:06', 'start_time': '6:04', 'text': 'It was, like, so hard.'},\n {'end_time': '6:07', 'start_time': '6:06', 'text': 'Why is it a passion project?'},\n {'end_time': '6:12', 'start_time': '6:07', 'text': \"Well, well, for first of all, it's like a it's a western, the kind of film it is.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:15', 'start_time': '6:12', 'text': \"I mean, when I say western, it's not like a copy of a guy in a hat.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:16', 'start_time': '6:15', 'text': \"It's a Indian story.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:17', 'start_time': '6:16', 'text': \"It's like an Indian superhero.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:19', 'start_time': '6:18', 'text': 'Like, what would be an Indian superhero?'},\n {'end_time': '6:20', 'start_time': '6:19', 'text': 'Krish.'},\n {'end_time': '6:20', 'start_time': '6:20', 'text': 'Nagasadu.'},\n {'end_time': '6:21', 'start_time': '6:20', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '6:29', 'start_time': '6:21', 'text': \"Krish is also he's very great and, you know, amazing, but, he's kind of like a a mix of a lot of western superheroes.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:34', 'start_time': '6:30', 'text': 'Whereas this guy is Indian at his core?'},\n {'end_time': '6:35', 'start_time': '6:34', 'text': \"He's Indian.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:38', 'start_time': '6:35', 'text': \"I mean, first of all, he's not really supernatural even though he kinda looks it.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:40', 'start_time': '6:38', 'text': \"I mean, you can't jump over Yeah.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:42', 'start_time': '6:41', 'text': \"Buildings and stuff, but he's a swordsman.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:49', 'start_time': '6:42', 'text': \"And, if you've seen those Japanese so there's Japanese kind of influence in terms of samurai influence and the fighting and stuff like this.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:56', 'start_time': '6:49', 'text': \"The fact that he's a sadhu, the fact that he's this mix of the East India Company, the time that this film is set in is a fascinating time.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:01', 'start_time': '6:56', 'text': \"It's like wilder than the Wild West, you know, like, without being boring about I mean, the Mughal Empire is collapsing.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:04', 'start_time': '7:01', 'text': \"There's little pockets of power that have popped up everywhere all over India.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:05', 'start_time': '7:04', 'text': \"It's like the badlands.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:10', 'start_time': '7:05', 'text': \"You can't ride a horse from one town to another without getting attacked by bandits or something.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:13', 'start_time': '7:10', 'text': \"And in the middle of this is like the Wild West, but it's India.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:18', 'start_time': '7:13', 'text': 'So we drive, like, 4, 5 hours to find the most rugged landscape we can find.'},\n {'end_time': '7:23', 'start_time': '7:18', 'text': 'We, like, we take this really badass film crew and go out there and make this movie.'},\n {'end_time': '7:25', 'start_time': '7:23', 'text': 'So, I mean, you need to be a little crazy.'},\n {'end_time': '7:26', 'start_time': '7:26', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '7:27', 'start_time': '7:26', 'text': \"But it's looking badass.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:28', 'start_time': '7:27', 'text': \"It's looking crazy.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:28', 'start_time': '7:28', 'text': 'It is.'},\n {'end_time': '7:29', 'start_time': '7:28', 'text': \"It's beautiful.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:30', 'start_time': '7:29', 'text': \"And it's so well shot.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:38', 'start_time': '7:30', 'text': 'And considering the budget we had to actually pull this thing off, I mean, I whatever happens to this at the box office, I will, like, be proud forever that Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '7:40', 'start_time': '7:38', 'text': 'You know, I I was on this film.'},\n {'end_time': '7:40', 'start_time': '7:40', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '7:46', 'start_time': '7:40', 'text': \"So, you know, you're deep in the history, and I think that's a big reason this film is kind of close to your heart.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:46', 'start_time': '7:46', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '7:50', 'start_time': '7:46', 'text': \"So my question to you is, like, of all the history you've read and I know that you read a lot Yeah.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:53', 'start_time': '7:50', 'text': \"What's, like, three lessons that have stayed with you and changed you a little bit as a person?\"},\n {'end_time': '7:54', 'start_time': '7:53', 'text': 'Three lessons from history.'},\n {'end_time': '7:59', 'start_time': '7:54', 'text': 'Well, one thing is I think men learn nothing from history except that men learn nothing from history.'},\n {'end_time': '8:01', 'start_time': '7:59', 'text': 'That, you know, it kind of repeats itself for sure.'},\n {'end_time': '8:02', 'start_time': '8:01', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '8:05', 'start_time': '8:02', 'text': \"If you and especially if you're not aware of it.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:07', 'start_time': '8:05', 'text': 'Lessons from history.'},\n {'end_time': '8:14', 'start_time': '8:07', 'text': 'I mean, so many things that I mean, the you know, that life has a usually has a good patch, and bad patches.'},\n {'end_time': '8:27', 'start_time': '8:15', 'text': \"And, you know, things change, but they don't always in the sense that it's important to recognize what the good times are because when you look at a person's history, you say, ah, these 7 years were the best years of his life.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:29', 'start_time': '8:27', 'text': \"Now if only you could recognize that while it's happening.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:30', 'start_time': '8:29', 'text': 'Can I just tell you something?'},\n {'end_time': '8:31', 'start_time': '8:30', 'text': 'Can I interrupt you a little bit, man?'},\n {'end_time': '8:32', 'start_time': '8:31', 'text': 'Please.'},\n {'end_time': '8:36', 'start_time': '8:32', 'text': 'I sincerely believe that the best phase of your career is about to come.'},\n {'end_time': '8:37', 'start_time': '8:36', 'text': 'I hope so.'},\n {'end_time': '8:37', 'start_time': '8:37', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '8:41', 'start_time': '8:37', 'text': 'I feel Our entire generation is like, really looks up to you, looks up to your class, looks up to you smart.'},\n {'end_time': '8:41', 'start_time': '8:41', 'text': 'Kind.'},\n {'end_time': '8:42', 'start_time': '8:41', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '8:45', 'start_time': '8:42', 'text': \"And the kind of content you're selecting, man, this is where it's at for, like, an entire generation.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:47', 'start_time': '8:45', 'text': 'Please go and see the movie.'},\n {'end_time': '8:48', 'start_time': '8:47', 'text': 'I will.'},\n {'end_time': '8:49', 'start_time': '8:48', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '8:49', 'start_time': '8:49', 'text': 'But go on.'},\n {'end_time': '8:50', 'start_time': '8:49', 'text': \"I'm sorry.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:50', 'start_time': '8:50', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '8:50', 'start_time': '8:50', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '8:50', 'start_time': '8:50', 'text': \"That's it.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:53', 'start_time': '8:50', 'text': 'So, I mean, what else does one learn from history?'},\n {'end_time': '8:57', 'start_time': '8:53', 'text': 'I mean, the thing I love about history, okay, is that there are all these people.'},\n {'end_time': '9:03', 'start_time': '8:57', 'text': \"Like, there's things that are lost in time, you know, like the library of Alexandria, like all of Aristotle's books.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:05', 'start_time': '9:03', 'text': 'I mean, the only thing surviving are his notes, you know?'},\n {'end_time': '9:11', 'start_time': '9:06', 'text': \"So there's all these great people have been lost, but we get a chance to kinda meet these people in history.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:19', 'start_time': '9:11', 'text': 'You know, you can meet like, you can, like, almost have a conversation with, you know, Plato and Alexander the Great by reading the book.'},\n {'end_time': '9:23', 'start_time': '9:19', 'text': \"So, I mean, I I feel I I remember my my dad, I said to him once, I said, you're alright?\"},\n {'end_time': '9:25', 'start_time': '9:23', 'text': 'Because he was living alone.'},\n {'end_time': '9:27', 'start_time': '9:25', 'text': 'He was my mom was away or something in Delhi.'},\n {'end_time': '9:29', 'start_time': '9:27', 'text': 'And, he said, yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '9:29', 'start_time': '9:29', 'text': \"I've got my books.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:30', 'start_time': '9:29', 'text': \"I'm fine.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:32', 'start_time': '9:30', 'text': 'So I understand that now.'},\n {'end_time': '9:33', 'start_time': '9:32', 'text': 'Books and friends.'},\n {'end_time': '9:33', 'start_time': '9:33', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '9:33', 'start_time': '9:33', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '9:34', 'start_time': '9:33', 'text': \"And you're never alone.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:34', 'start_time': '9:34', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '9:37', 'start_time': '9:34', 'text': 'So I wanna ask you, how are you this classy?'},\n {'end_time': '9:39', 'start_time': '9:37', 'text': 'Is there, like, can you give me some core rules of being classy?'},\n {'end_time': '9:40', 'start_time': '9:39', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '9:40', 'start_time': '9:40', 'text': 'Look.'},\n {'end_time': '9:43', 'start_time': '9:40', 'text': 'I I think first of all, you have to be unaware of that sort of thing.'},\n {'end_time': '9:44', 'start_time': '9:43', 'text': 'And and and be Low key.'},\n {'end_time': '9:45', 'start_time': '9:44', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '9:52', 'start_time': '9:45', 'text': \"Low key and kind of, it's I think it's to do with what we've seen as kids and respect.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:52', 'start_time': '9:52', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '9:52', 'start_time': '9:52', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '9:55', 'start_time': '9:52', 'text': \"Like, this country is so un there's so much unfairness.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:08', 'start_time': '9:56', 'text': \"The people that work for us, the people that drive our cars and stuff, like, I mean, I it just constantly kind of bothers me, and I'm aware that the least we can do is be kind of polite about things to to everyone.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:08', 'start_time': '10:08', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '10:15', 'start_time': '10:09', 'text': 'And and I think my dad was like an ultimate so I get a lot of this from from your father if you respect him.'},\n {'end_time': '10:17', 'start_time': '10:15', 'text': \"Some people don't and they join the Taliban.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:21', 'start_time': '10:17', 'text': \"But, you know, it's not not actually a joke.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:22', 'start_time': '10:22', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '10:23', 'start_time': '10:22', 'text': \"They don't.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:25', 'start_time': '10:23', 'text': \"I mean, some people don't respect their fathers.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:25', 'start_time': '10:25', 'text': \"They're like, okay.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:26', 'start_time': '10:25', 'text': \"I'm gonna join a street gang.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:27', 'start_time': '10:26', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '10:27', 'start_time': '10:27', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '10:29', 'start_time': '10:27', 'text': 'But some people do respect their fathers.'},\n {'end_time': '10:33', 'start_time': '10:29', 'text': 'And and, I think Do you think respect is the core of class?'},\n {'end_time': '10:34', 'start_time': '10:34', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '10:38', 'start_time': '10:34', 'text': 'For yourself, for life, kind of I mean, most classy people Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '10:41', 'start_time': '10:40', 'text': 'Have have respect.'},\n {'end_time': '10:43', 'start_time': '10:41', 'text': 'So and what about charm?'},\n {'end_time': '10:45', 'start_time': '10:44', 'text': \"I don't know.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:47', 'start_time': '10:45', 'text': 'What about I think all this has taken years.'},\n {'end_time': '10:47', 'start_time': '10:47', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '10:48', 'start_time': '10:47', 'text': \"I don't know.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:49', 'start_time': '10:48', 'text': \"You weren't always this charming?\"},\n {'end_time': '10:49', 'start_time': '10:49', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '10:51', 'start_time': '10:49', 'text': 'I used to really try.'},\n {'end_time': '10:51', 'start_time': '10:51', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '10:57', 'start_time': '10:51', 'text': 'It was this I remember being a kid and and a lot of girls telling me in Delhi that, yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '10:58', 'start_time': '10:57', 'text': 'You like my brother.'},\n {'end_time': '10:59', 'start_time': '10:58', 'text': 'And I used to be really upset.'},\n {'end_time': '11:01', 'start_time': '10:59', 'text': 'And then one summer, I think it just changed.'},\n {'end_time': '11:02', 'start_time': '11:01', 'text': \"I don't know.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:03', 'start_time': '11:02', 'text': \"I think it's growing up.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:04', 'start_time': '11:03', 'text': \"I don't know what it is.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:08', 'start_time': '11:05', 'text': 'I just know the a bad thing is to be pretentious.'},\n {'end_time': '11:10', 'start_time': '11:08', 'text': \"I think if you get if you you know, don't pretend.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:11', 'start_time': '11:11', 'text': 'Be yourself.'},\n {'end_time': '11:12', 'start_time': '11:11', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '11:12', 'start_time': '11:12', 'text': 'Just be yourself.'},\n {'end_time': '11:15', 'start_time': '11:12', 'text': 'And if if yourself is filled with a lot of books in the head, you know.'},\n {'end_time': '11:22', 'start_time': '11:15', 'text': \"I mean it helps, you know, if you've got some new fresh ideas and it's better than, you know, talking you gotta be careful who you're talking to.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:23', 'start_time': '11:22', 'text': 'It all rubs off.'},\n {'end_time': '11:27', 'start_time': '11:23', 'text': \"It rubs off, you know, if you that you're like people, it's a cliche that you're known by the company you keep.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:29', 'start_time': '11:27', 'text': \"You're an average of the 5 people around you.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:30', 'start_time': '11:30', 'text': 'There you go.'},\n {'end_time': '11:32', 'start_time': '11:30', 'text': 'So, I mean, you know, you be careful.'},\n {'end_time': '11:40', 'start_time': '11:32', 'text': \"Maybe it's better off sometimes reading a book, I feel, than than, you know, just hanging out for the sake of, but maybe you're lucky.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:42', 'start_time': '11:40', 'text': 'You have 5 great nice people around you then.'},\n {'end_time': '11:44', 'start_time': '11:42', 'text': 'Do you get a little bored in Bollywood sometimes?'},\n {'end_time': '11:50', 'start_time': '11:44', 'text': \"I get a little bit bored in in Bombay because I can't go out much, and that's nothing to do with celebrities.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:56', 'start_time': '11:50', 'text': \"It's the climate, and it's the fact that there's no park to feed the ducks in, you know, like, whatever.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:59', 'start_time': '11:56', 'text': 'So we suffer on that level, and and it goes deep, you know.'},\n {'end_time': '12:06', 'start_time': '11:59', 'text': 'That means people are kind of addicted more to, you know, social media and indoor things and and become insular.'},\n {'end_time': '12:10', 'start_time': '12:06', 'text': \"Don't even kind of really connect to each other sometimes.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:10', 'start_time': '12:10', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '12:12', 'start_time': '12:10', 'text': \"That's all I mean, whatever.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:12', 'start_time': '12:12', 'text': 'Each to their own.'},\n {'end_time': '12:22', 'start_time': '12:12', 'text': \"But I'm saying, for me, this business of not being able to walk down the road, you know, maybe quite bare in the pub in the evening.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:34', 'start_time': '12:22', 'text': \"It's a little less social, so I I kind of get a bit bored, and then I might be mindly, you know, self destructive as in I have a couple of drinks in order to kind of just A couple is okay, man.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:34', 'start_time': '12:34', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '12:34', 'start_time': '12:34', 'text': \"It's okay.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:41', 'start_time': '12:34', 'text': \"But, you know, I just noticed that it's happening a bit because of boredom, which is that's how it is.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:42', 'start_time': '12:41', 'text': 'You should get into podcasts.'},\n {'end_time': '12:42', 'start_time': '12:42', 'text': 'Maybe.'},\n {'end_time': '12:43', 'start_time': '12:42', 'text': 'Or and you should get into Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '12:46', 'start_time': '12:43', 'text': 'Maybe you could creative or just act in films more.'},\n {'end_time': '12:47', 'start_time': '12:46', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '12:50', 'start_time': '12:47', 'text': \"So I mean, I'm I'm I'm in a deep e totaler thing in my life.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:51', 'start_time': '12:50', 'text': \"I don't have any intoxicant.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:52', 'start_time': '12:51', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '12:55', 'start_time': '12:52', 'text': 'Podcast and YouTube stimulants in terms of informative videos help me a lot.'},\n {'end_time': '12:56', 'start_time': '12:55', 'text': \"That's great.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:58', 'start_time': '12:56', 'text': 'So I see I see a lot of myself in you.'},\n {'end_time': '12:58', 'start_time': '12:58', 'text': \"That's good.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:59', 'start_time': '12:58', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '12:59', 'start_time': '12:59', 'text': \"That's one thing.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:02', 'start_time': '12:59', 'text': 'Secondly, I wanna ask you about the last 10 years.'},\n {'end_time': '13:03', 'start_time': '13:02', 'text': 'Like, before Sacred Games happened.'},\n {'end_time': '13:04', 'start_time': '13:03', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '13:09', 'start_time': '13:04', 'text': 'Do you kind of feel like, you know, you were in some kind of a difficult phase in life?'},\n {'end_time': '13:11', 'start_time': '13:09', 'text': \"Like, you know, when you're talking about bad patches?\"},\n {'end_time': '13:21', 'start_time': '13:11', 'text': \"Well, I've never really, you know, I had a friend of mine, come and spend my wife's birthday with us in England recently, and he was really, like, so comfortable.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:24', 'start_time': '13:21', 'text': 'And he looked like he was, you know, lord so and so.'},\n {'end_time': '13:25', 'start_time': '13:24', 'text': \"And he's he's not really.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:41', 'start_time': '13:25', 'text': \"I mean, he's but he looked like he was really flamboyant and comfortable and happy, but I'm I've always been a little even though I'm really privileged compared to a lot of people, I I I feel it could all end, you know.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:44', 'start_time': '13:41', 'text': 'So I have a very strong sense of zen?'},\n {'end_time': '13:44', 'start_time': '13:44', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '13:47', 'start_time': '13:44', 'text': 'And doom could could descend at any moment.'},\n {'end_time': '13:50', 'start_time': '13:47', 'text': \"So I'm really not that comfortable, and I haven't really ever been.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:52', 'start_time': '13:50', 'text': 'Even when the success was on?'},\n {'end_time': '13:52', 'start_time': '13:52', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '13:54', 'start_time': '13:52', 'text': \"Even when the success was on, you're like, okay.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:05', 'start_time': '13:54', 'text': \"This is a phase and perhaps it's because of understanding a little bit about history that and I'm also quite into mythology and the Greek myths and the Indian myths and all this kind of stuff.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:10', 'start_time': '14:05', 'text': \"So you're aware that the gods are watching, you know, so you shouldn't be too, arrogant?\"},\n {'end_time': '14:10', 'start_time': '14:10', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '14:12', 'start_time': '14:10', 'text': 'Hubris and all that.'},\n {'end_time': '14:14', 'start_time': '14:12', 'text': 'So so, yeah, it was tough.'},\n {'end_time': '14:19', 'start_time': '14:14', 'text': \"I mean, there are times, but luckily, I think I've always had it depends what your sights are.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:25', 'start_time': '14:19', 'text': \"If you wanna be, you know, the greatest, most successful actor in Bombay, then, you know, you'll probably constantly be disappointed.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:27', 'start_time': '14:25', 'text': 'But And constantly working?'},\n {'end_time': '14:28', 'start_time': '14:27', 'text': 'And constantly working.'},\n {'end_time': '14:28', 'start_time': '14:28', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '14:40', 'start_time': '14:28', 'text': 'So that balance, even my wife has that balance, is important that, but I I have always had a fairly steady and and interesting job, no matter what, over the last 10 years, including Sacred Games.'},\n {'end_time': '14:43', 'start_time': '14:40', 'text': \"So every year, the content's been changing, getting better.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:46', 'start_time': '14:43', 'text': 'If you ask me, are you happy being an actor?'},\n {'end_time': '14:49', 'start_time': '14:46', 'text': \"And it was still 1995 and we're still making the same kind of movies.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:51', 'start_time': '14:50', 'text': 'You know, maybe not.'},\n {'end_time': '14:52', 'start_time': '14:51', 'text': \"But luckily, there's been, like, a growth.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:53', 'start_time': '14:52', 'text': 'A shift?'},\n {'end_time': '14:54', 'start_time': '14:53', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '14:56', 'start_time': '14:54', 'text': \"What's been, like, the worst moment of your life?\"},\n {'end_time': '14:58', 'start_time': '14:57', 'text': 'The worst moment of my life?'},\n {'end_time': '14:59', 'start_time': '14:59', 'text': 'My god.'},\n {'end_time': '15:00', 'start_time': '14:59', 'text': \"I don't know.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:02', 'start_time': '15:00', 'text': \"There's been some run ins with the law.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:04', 'start_time': '15:02', 'text': \"There's been some, you know No.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:05', 'start_time': '15:04', 'text': 'But on an emotional level.'},\n {'end_time': '15:05', 'start_time': '15:05', 'text': 'Fan.'},\n {'end_time': '15:09', 'start_time': '15:07', 'text': 'See, you know, my father died.'},\n {'end_time': '15:11', 'start_time': '15:09', 'text': \"That wasn't that wasn't very nice.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:12', 'start_time': '15:11', 'text': 'What did it teach you?'},\n {'end_time': '15:19', 'start_time': '15:14', 'text': 'Well, that all this is going to end in a hospital room with tubes in you.'},\n {'end_time': '15:20', 'start_time': '15:19', 'text': 'God knows when.'},\n {'end_time': '15:21', 'start_time': '15:20', 'text': 'Does that trouble you?'},\n {'end_time': '15:23', 'start_time': '15:21', 'text': \"It doesn't trouble me, but it makes me aware.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:23', 'start_time': '15:23', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '15:26', 'start_time': '15:23', 'text': 'And I think about it, and I I just say, okay.'},\n {'end_time': '15:30', 'start_time': '15:26', 'text': \"So that's where I I don't understand people who never think about it.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:36', 'start_time': '15:30', 'text': \"I think everything is actually driven by, by the fact that we're going to die, you know, whether we understand it or not.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:36', 'start_time': '15:36', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '15:39', 'start_time': '15:37', 'text': \"That's why we like things or or not like things.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:41', 'start_time': '15:39', 'text': \"That's what it all boils down to.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:41', 'start_time': '15:41', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '15:44', 'start_time': '15:42', 'text': \"You know you're getting like That's why art is great.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:44', 'start_time': '15:44', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '15:51', 'start_time': '15:44', 'text': \"Because it's like, you're capturing a moment in in film or in or in, Thought.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:53', 'start_time': '15:51', 'text': 'Thought or like even a painting or whatever.'},\n {'end_time': '16:04', 'start_time': '15:53', 'text': \"You're like freezing time and saying it's kind of defying, it's defying the oblivion of time, right, of death, by saying okay, I'll do something that will maybe last.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:06', 'start_time': '16:04', 'text': 'Is that a driving force as an actor?'},\n {'end_time': '16:08', 'start_time': '16:07', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '16:09', 'start_time': '16:08', 'text': 'Yeah, I mean, for myself.'},\n {'end_time': '16:22', 'start_time': '16:09', 'text': \"I mean, I actually, the only thing that's driven me as an actor, which I think is the same, is to, do do a film that I can sit down at 2 in the morning and watch myself, you know, and say, yeah.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:23', 'start_time': '16:22', 'text': \"That's really great I did that.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:26', 'start_time': '16:23', 'text': 'And I I honestly, I think Lal Kaptan is one of those.'},\n {'end_time': '16:27', 'start_time': '16:26', 'text': 'I mean, Sacred Games is one of those.'},\n {'end_time': '16:30', 'start_time': '16:28', 'text': \"I don't know about so many.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:31', 'start_time': '16:30', 'text': 'There are a few.'},\n {'end_time': '16:31', 'start_time': '16:31', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '16:33', 'start_time': '16:31', 'text': 'You know with Lal Kaptan and Sacred Games?'},\n {'end_time': '16:33', 'start_time': '16:33', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '16:35', 'start_time': '16:33', 'text': \"They're slightly more gritty and all that.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:35', 'start_time': '16:35', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '16:37', 'start_time': '16:35', 'text': \"Is that because you've become slightly more gritty in your own life?\"},\n {'end_time': '16:38', 'start_time': '16:38', 'text': 'Definitely.'},\n {'end_time': '16:39', 'start_time': '16:38', 'text': \"I've also grown.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:45', 'start_time': '16:39', 'text': \"I mean, a role like this, I mean, I actually, the sound recordist told me you're not sounding like the guy on day 2.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:45', 'start_time': '16:45', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '16:46', 'start_time': '16:45', 'text': 'So I Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '16:47', 'start_time': '16:46', 'text': 'Had to go and work on it.'},\n {'end_time': '16:49', 'start_time': '16:47', 'text': 'And I had a lot of time in Rajasthan alone.'},\n {'end_time': '16:50', 'start_time': '16:49', 'text': 'And Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '16:57', 'start_time': '16:50', 'text': \"I I spent a lot of time alone just thinking thinking that this guy is like a like a so they were like, oh, it's like Clint Eastwood, my director said.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:58', 'start_time': '16:57', 'text': 'And I said, no.'},\n {'end_time': '16:58', 'start_time': '16:58', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '16:59', 'start_time': '16:58', 'text': \"He's not like Clint Eastwood.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:00', 'start_time': '16:59', 'text': \"He's he's like a wolf.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:00', 'start_time': '17:00', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '17:02', 'start_time': '17:00', 'text': 'Clint Eastwood is really cool and laid back.'},\n {'end_time': '17:03', 'start_time': '17:02', 'text': \"This guy's more Out there.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:06', 'start_time': '17:04', 'text': 'Feral and more wild like this thing.'},\n {'end_time': '17:11', 'start_time': '17:06', 'text': \"So he's got that, you know, so all that, how do you find that and get into that?\"},\n {'end_time': '17:14', 'start_time': '17:11', 'text': \"So it's not just me, it's also the films have have become like that.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:16', 'start_time': '17:14', 'text': 'People are writing more interesting stuff, you know.'},\n {'end_time': '17:17', 'start_time': '17:16', 'text': \"What's age taught you?\"},\n {'end_time': '17:23', 'start_time': '17:17', 'text': 'Well, I think, age has taught me humility and also appreciation of so many things.'},\n {'end_time': '17:36', 'start_time': '17:23', 'text': \"And I think you slow down a little bit, and you're a little less arrogant, like I was saying, and you, just, you know, a little more understanding of of things around.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:42', 'start_time': '17:36', 'text': \"Also that thing you said about being slightly stressed all the time where you don't know when success will last and when your bad things will start.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:43', 'start_time': '17:42', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '17:44', 'start_time': '17:43', 'text': 'Has that reduced with age?'},\n {'end_time': '17:45', 'start_time': '17:44', 'text': 'Because that happens to all of us, man.'},\n {'end_time': '17:51', 'start_time': '17:46', 'text': \"Well, I mean, I you know, if you're lucky, you're kind of in a decent place with friends and family.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:56', 'start_time': '17:51', 'text': \"And actually, I've learned the kind of life I've had and upbringing I've had.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:58', 'start_time': '17:56', 'text': \"Like, you know, you don't need so much money.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:02', 'start_time': '17:58', 'text': 'I mean, after a point, you see guys just being silly with, you know, with money.'},\n {'end_time': '18:03', 'start_time': '18:02', 'text': \"I mean, of course, there's no end.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:05', 'start_time': '18:03', 'text': \"You can have What's money taught you?\"},\n {'end_time': '18:07', 'start_time': '18:05', 'text': \"What's money taught me?\"},\n {'end_time': '18:07', 'start_time': '18:07', 'text': \"Haven't you?\"},\n {'end_time': '18:09', 'start_time': '18:07', 'text': 'Not not very much.'},\n {'end_time': '18:10', 'start_time': '18:09', 'text': 'Not very much.'},\n {'end_time': '18:13', 'start_time': '18:10', 'text': \"I mean When did you realize that you're privileged in life?\"},\n {'end_time': '18:20', 'start_time': '18:13', 'text': \"I think it's I was privileged in terms of education, in terms there are many things that can prove you know, make you feel privileged beyond money.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:26', 'start_time': '18:20', 'text': \"Like, an education can make is a great privilege, which I really didn't think was a privilege when it was happening.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:27', 'start_time': '18:26', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '18:28', 'start_time': '18:27', 'text': 'But it is.'},\n {'end_time': '18:35', 'start_time': '18:28', 'text': 'Like, I mean, if you if, like, my driver had gone to that school, maybe he would be, like, CEO of, you know, Britannia.'},\n {'end_time': '18:36', 'start_time': '18:35', 'text': \"I don't know.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:36', 'start_time': '18:36', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '18:36', 'start_time': '18:36', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '18:39', 'start_time': '18:36', 'text': 'So that that kind of thing is, like, crazy to think about.'},\n {'end_time': '18:42', 'start_time': '18:39', 'text': 'I also feel your education has kind of played a role in your film choices right now.'},\n {'end_time': '18:43', 'start_time': '18:42', 'text': 'Like something like Laal Kaphtan?'},\n {'end_time': '18:43', 'start_time': '18:43', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '18:44', 'start_time': '18:43', 'text': 'Of course.'},\n {'end_time': '18:48', 'start_time': '18:44', 'text': \"I mean, in everything in everything you do, you're colored by that kind of thing, your value system.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:54', 'start_time': '18:48', 'text': 'And particularly, you know, some of these schools can really teach you about the important things in life.'},\n {'end_time': '18:57', 'start_time': '18:54', 'text': 'Also, as they say, you become more woke through a great education.'},\n {'end_time': '18:59', 'start_time': '18:57', 'text': 'So woke is like you become aware.'},\n {'end_time': '19:00', 'start_time': '18:59', 'text': 'You get a better 360 degree view.'},\n {'end_time': '19:01', 'start_time': '19:00', 'text': 'What have you learned from fame?'},\n {'end_time': '19:05', 'start_time': '19:03', 'text': \"But I'm not really a fan of fame.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:07', 'start_time': '19:05', 'text': \"I I don't think it's You don't enjoy it?\"},\n {'end_time': '19:07', 'start_time': '19:07', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '19:09', 'start_time': '19:07', 'text': \"I don't think it's useful at all.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:12', 'start_time': '19:09', 'text': \"I think it's in fact quite a hindrance, and it's quite quite annoying.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:18', 'start_time': '19:13', 'text': 'Unfortunately, in India, sometimes you have to be someone special in order to get things done normally.'},\n {'end_time': '19:25', 'start_time': '19:18', 'text': \"Like, if you, you know, just want to get things done normally, you it helps if you're somebody, which is a little sad.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:29', 'start_time': '19:25', 'text': \"But also, let me let me tell you that you've inspired a lot of guys who are, like, around my age Yeah.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:31', 'start_time': '19:29', 'text': 'To just be classy, be charming, be resilient.'},\n {'end_time': '19:32', 'start_time': '19:31', 'text': 'Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '19:34', 'start_time': '19:32', 'text': \"So that's that's an outcome of your fame.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:34', 'start_time': '19:34', 'text': 'Well, okay.'},\n {'end_time': '19:38', 'start_time': '19:34', 'text': \"I mean, if you do something and you spread the word, then that's nice.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:44', 'start_time': '19:38', 'text': \"I mean, for me personally, I'd rather, you know, go to Goa and walk around without being necessarily recognized.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:45', 'start_time': '19:45', 'text': 'I love being an actor.'},\n {'end_time': '19:46', 'start_time': '19:46', 'text': 'Miss that?'},\n {'end_time': '19:50', 'start_time': '19:47', 'text': \"Well, you know, there's places I can go where it's fine.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:52', 'start_time': '19:50', 'text': 'You just, you know, your hangouts change.'},\n {'end_time': '19:52', 'start_time': '19:52', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '20:00', 'start_time': '19:52', 'text': 'But, I think money can give you a lot of, things that you think fame can.'},\n {'end_time': '20:00', 'start_time': '20:00', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '20:06', 'start_time': '20:00', 'text': \"I mean, you know, you're like I mean, there's some let's say you're mister Ambani or something.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:08', 'start_time': '20:06', 'text': \"I mean, you don't need to be famous.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:08', 'start_time': '20:08', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '20:10', 'start_time': '20:08', 'text': 'I mean, you have the world at your feet.'},\n {'end_time': '20:11', 'start_time': '20:10', 'text': 'So money can also do that.'},\n {'end_time': '20:14', 'start_time': '20:11', 'text': 'Fame is in fact a hindrance to to getting things done.'},\n {'end_time': '20:16', 'start_time': '20:14', 'text': 'Does it take away from your peace?'},\n {'end_time': '20:26', 'start_time': '20:19', 'text': \"I'm sure a little bit, but what it gives you is way way way more I mean, it's not peace is the most important thing.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:26', 'start_time': '20:26', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '20:28', 'start_time': '20:26', 'text': \"So it doesn't take away your peace.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:29', 'start_time': '20:28', 'text': \"I mean What's your advice?\"},\n {'end_time': '20:34', 'start_time': '20:29', 'text': \"You shouldn't look for peace on Chopati if you're famous, But look for it somewhere else.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:37', 'start_time': '20:34', 'text': \"With Sara's career, like, coming up right now, and she Yeah.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:38', 'start_time': '20:37', 'text': \"Like, you know, she's becoming super famous.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:41', 'start_time': '20:38', 'text': \"What's your advice to her, like, both in terms of fame and in terms of career?\"},\n {'end_time': '20:47', 'start_time': '20:41', 'text': \"You know, after a point, I mean, things change and outlooks I mean, there's not so much advice, really.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:49', 'start_time': '20:48', 'text': 'She knows.'},\n {'end_time': '20:51', 'start_time': '20:49', 'text': \"She's got her head screwed on pretty straight.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:12', 'start_time': '20:51', 'text': 'So, I mean, I just say, the last time we had a chat about this was to be as as original and just to be herself, you know, and also to enjoy the work and enjoy acting and to think like a actor rather than than be too focused on wanting to be a star.'},\n {'end_time': '21:14', 'start_time': '21:12', 'text': 'Was competition ever a big part of your life?'},\n {'end_time': '21:18', 'start_time': '21:14', 'text': 'Like, a big part of your mind and your existence, especially early 2000, You know?'},\n {'end_time': '21:18', 'start_time': '21:18', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '21:18', 'start_time': '21:18', 'text': 'It kind of was.'},\n {'end_time': '21:22', 'start_time': '21:18', 'text': 'I mean, competition was important, and I it was a big part of my life.'},\n {'end_time': '21:32', 'start_time': '21:22', 'text': \"But I realized once when, you know, when, dear old Sanjay Dutt went to jail, he didn't help me much.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:37', 'start_time': '21:32', 'text': 'So I realized that wishing ill on your on your, you know Pills.'},\n {'end_time': '21:39', 'start_time': '21:37', 'text': \"Doesn't help you.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:43', 'start_time': '21:39', 'text': 'The only thing that can really help you is is you doing better.'},\n {'end_time': '21:43', 'start_time': '21:43', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '21:44', 'start_time': '21:43', 'text': 'Improving yourself.'},\n {'end_time': '21:44', 'start_time': '21:44', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '21:45', 'start_time': '21:44', 'text': 'Competing with yourself.'},\n {'end_time': '21:46', 'start_time': '21:45', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '21:47', 'start_time': '21:46', 'text': 'Competing with yourself.'},\n {'end_time': '21:49', 'start_time': '21:47', 'text': \"Really, it sounds a bit boring, but that's the best competition.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:51', 'start_time': '21:49', 'text': \"Because they're called stars.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:51', 'start_time': '21:51', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '21:53', 'start_time': '21:51', 'text': \"We're called stars, meaning there's a galaxy of stars.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:56', 'start_time': '21:53', 'text': \"You're not called something that's there's only one of.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:56', 'start_time': '21:56', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '21:57', 'start_time': '21:56', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '22:01', 'start_time': '21:57', 'text': 'So that means that everyone is appreciated for having their own way of doing things.'},\n {'end_time': '22:07', 'start_time': '22:01', 'text': 'Like as an actor, you like different people because the same scene can be done so differently by different guys.'},\n {'end_time': '22:07', 'start_time': '22:07', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '22:09', 'start_time': '22:07', 'text': 'And that difference is what makes it interesting.'},\n {'end_time': '22:10', 'start_time': '22:09', 'text': 'Sorry.'},\n {'end_time': '22:10', 'start_time': '22:10', 'text': 'So Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '22:14', 'start_time': '22:10', 'text': \"So And, Seff, so, you know, when I talk to you, there's so many layers of, like, intellect.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:19', 'start_time': '22:14', 'text': 'I want you to give your top 3 book recommendations and then your top three learning recommendations.'},\n {'end_time': '22:20', 'start_time': '22:19', 'text': 'What do you do to learn?'},\n {'end_time': '22:25', 'start_time': '22:20', 'text': 'Top 3 books would be, I think, the Fountainhead by Ayn Rand.'},\n {'end_time': '22:32', 'start_time': '22:29', 'text': 'I really like PG Woodhouse and the Jeeves and Wooster stories.'},\n {'end_time': '22:33', 'start_time': '22:32', 'text': \"They're really funny.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:38', 'start_time': '22:33', 'text': 'And any collection of ghost stories by MR James.'},\n {'end_time': '22:39', 'start_time': '22:38', 'text': 'What does it add to your mind?'},\n {'end_time': '22:41', 'start_time': '22:40', 'text': \"Well, there's an amazing atmosphere.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:46', 'start_time': '22:42', 'text': \"And right reading, if you're reading something you're interested in, there's a whole process that happens.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:50', 'start_time': '22:46', 'text': \"There's a connection to the words that are used, the mental images that are evoked in your mind.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:04', 'start_time': '22:51', 'text': \"There's kind of like a interaction between the brain and the page that is just, I think, keeps the brain really interestingly engaged and keeps your imagination as like a imaginative workout.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:04', 'start_time': '23:04', 'text': 'Stimulant.'},\n {'end_time': '23:05', 'start_time': '23:04', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '23:15', 'start_time': '23:05', 'text': \"And it's, and so I mean, you know, cheaper than making a movie, you can get an insight into a different world.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:22', 'start_time': '23:15', 'text': 'And and great writers and good writers with language can just create a certain rhythm and a certain kind of style.'},\n {'end_time': '23:22', 'start_time': '23:22', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '23:27', 'start_time': '23:22', 'text': 'You know, like Emma I mean, Henry James, for example, and and all these the great writers.'},\n {'end_time': '23:27', 'start_time': '23:27', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '23:29', 'start_time': '23:27', 'text': 'The I mean, the classics.'},\n {'end_time': '23:29', 'start_time': '23:29', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '23:34', 'start_time': '23:29', 'text': 'These guys are unbelievable in terms of the atmosphere that they can just create.'},\n {'end_time': '23:34', 'start_time': '23:34', 'text': '100%.'},\n {'end_time': '23:36', 'start_time': '23:34', 'text': 'Like Charles Dickens, for example.'},\n {'end_time': '23:37', 'start_time': '23:36', 'text': 'I mean, you know, just outstanding.'},\n {'end_time': '23:41', 'start_time': '23:37', 'text': \"Like like, today, like, at you know, you're almost 50.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:43', 'start_time': '23:41', 'text': 'So how do you stimulate yourself mentally now?'},\n {'end_time': '23:44', 'start_time': '23:43', 'text': \"Oh, there's so many things.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:48', 'start_time': '23:44', 'text': \"I mean, you're you're still being offered really interesting, roles.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:54', 'start_time': '23:49', 'text': 'So films and and work, is a main part of it, like, you know, planning that.'},\n {'end_time': '24:03', 'start_time': '23:54', 'text': 'And then also, you know, planning a nice holiday with friends and and celebrating life in the right way with family and, like, you know, great bottle of wine.'},\n {'end_time': '24:03', 'start_time': '24:03', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '24:13', 'start_time': '24:03', 'text': 'And looking forward to, I think, balancing, like, a patch of hard work followed by a kind of a celebration with kind of usually food and drink of some sort.'},\n {'end_time': '24:16', 'start_time': '24:13', 'text': \"So you you're really good, and you deny yourself Yeah.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:17', 'start_time': '24:16', 'text': 'And then you indulge.'},\n {'end_time': '24:17', 'start_time': '24:17', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '24:18', 'start_time': '24:17', 'text': \"And you So it's that kind of magic.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:21', 'start_time': '24:18', 'text': \"When you're doing something like La Al Capran, which so dark Yeah.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:22', 'start_time': '24:21', 'text': 'Are you bringing the darkness from inside your head?'},\n {'end_time': '24:24', 'start_time': '24:22', 'text': \"It's not it's not even it's not really dark.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:29', 'start_time': '24:24', 'text': \"It's, like, heavy, and there is kind of, like, an animal there, and you have to find that somewhere.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:32', 'start_time': '24:29', 'text': 'And once you find it, I think you change.'},\n {'end_time': '24:33', 'start_time': '24:32', 'text': \"That's why it stimulates you?\"},\n {'end_time': '24:33', 'start_time': '24:33', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '24:34', 'start_time': '24:33', 'text': 'In a sense.'},\n {'end_time': '24:37', 'start_time': '24:34', 'text': 'And but I came back from that outdoor, slightly different person.'},\n {'end_time': '24:39', 'start_time': '24:37', 'text': 'People were looking at me like, you look different.'},\n {'end_time': '24:43', 'start_time': '24:39', 'text': 'Because, you know, you can change if you keep doing things like this somewhere.'},\n {'end_time': '24:45', 'start_time': '24:43', 'text': 'Do your movies stay with you forever?'},\n {'end_time': '24:45', 'start_time': '24:45', 'text': \"I don't know.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:49', 'start_time': '24:45', 'text': 'I guess partially, but, you know, they were always there.'},\n {'end_time': '24:58', 'start_time': '24:50', 'text': \"It's just, you know, they're they're in your blood, so you just have to magnify certain, but some things stay.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:00', 'start_time': '24:58', 'text': 'Depends how long you do it, you know.'},\n {'end_time': '25:02', 'start_time': '25:00', 'text': 'Why why should a young person go watch this film?'},\n {'end_time': '25:05', 'start_time': '25:02', 'text': \"Because it's a it's a it's a cool revenge drama.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:12', 'start_time': '25:05', 'text': \"That's why that's why you should go and see any film is because it's entertaining to watch as in, you know, it's like a really nice story.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:14', 'start_time': '25:12', 'text': 'But this is a unique film.'},\n {'end_time': '25:20', 'start_time': '25:14', 'text': \"There's been no film that kinda captures, it's it's like a proper cinematic experience.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:21', 'start_time': '25:20', 'text': 'You see it on big screen.'},\n {'end_time': '25:29', 'start_time': '25:21', 'text': \"Today, everyone's making CG movies, and every kind of battle sequence looks the same with these, you know, crowd crowd multiplication techniques.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:32', 'start_time': '25:29', 'text': \"And people also warping history, and I don't know what's going on.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:35', 'start_time': '25:32', 'text': 'I mean, of course, we have interesting movies somewhere.'},\n {'end_time': '25:35', 'start_time': '25:35', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '25:40', 'start_time': '25:35', 'text': 'But this is like, like an Indian superhero Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '25:44', 'start_time': '25:40', 'text': 'Set in a very real time Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '25:46', 'start_time': '25:44', 'text': 'Which William Dalrymple has just written a book called The Anarchy.'},\n {'end_time': '25:55', 'start_time': '25:47', 'text': 'So you could almost call it like it was set in the badlands during during the Anarchy on the cursed earth, like Judge Dredd.'},\n {'end_time': '25:55', 'start_time': '25:55', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '25:55', 'start_time': '25:55', 'text': 'Beautiful.'},\n {'end_time': '25:57', 'start_time': '25:56', 'text': 'So, again, a mental stimulant.'},\n {'end_time': '25:59', 'start_time': '25:57', 'text': \"It's kind of a mental stimulant.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:06', 'start_time': '25:59', 'text': 'Well, hopefully, I mean, the effort made by the cinematographers and the director to go to these forts and these locations in India Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '26:08', 'start_time': '26:06', 'text': \"Where, you know, they've been dead for 100 of years.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:11', 'start_time': '26:08', 'text': 'And to come alive on screen again is quite fascinating.'},\n {'end_time': '26:12', 'start_time': '26:11', 'text': 'Okay, Saif.'},\n {'end_time': '26:19', 'start_time': '26:12', 'text': 'And my last segment of this podcast for you is, something I can only ask you because I feel like I can have the conversation with you at this level.'},\n {'end_time': '26:19', 'start_time': '26:19', 'text': 'Right.'},\n {'end_time': '26:21', 'start_time': '26:20', 'text': 'What do actors do with the money?'},\n {'end_time': '26:24', 'start_time': '26:21', 'text': 'So you make money through a film or whatever and then what do you do?'},\n {'end_time': '26:26', 'start_time': '26:24', 'text': 'You invested or you do you take care of the person?'},\n {'end_time': '26:27', 'start_time': '26:26', 'text': \"It's a good question.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:30', 'start_time': '26:27', 'text': \"I don't know what actors do but I know a lot of people What do you do?\"},\n {'end_time': '26:31', 'start_time': '26:30', 'text': \"Don't okay.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:31', 'start_time': '26:31', 'text': \"I'll tell you.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:32', 'start_time': '26:31', 'text': 'I know I I spend it.'},\n {'end_time': '26:34', 'start_time': '26:32', 'text': 'I save some of it.'},\n {'end_time': '26:38', 'start_time': '26:34', 'text': \"I mean, there's always a thought that, you know, it'll all end tomorrow like I told you.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:39', 'start_time': '26:38', 'text': 'You think about money and losing money?'},\n {'end_time': '26:43', 'start_time': '26:42', 'text': 'You know, I tell you something.'},\n {'end_time': '26:45', 'start_time': '26:43', 'text': 'This that guy just fell over here.'},\n {'end_time': '26:45', 'start_time': '26:45', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '26:46', 'start_time': '26:45', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '26:46', 'start_time': '26:46', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '26:53', 'start_time': '26:46', 'text': \"So, I mean, that frightens me and it worries me, but doesn't completely surprise me because I think that can happen to any of us at any time.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:57', 'start_time': '26:54', 'text': 'So I spend more than half of it.'},\n {'end_time': '27:04', 'start_time': '26:57', 'text': \"And in case I don't fall over tomorrow, I keep some of it, and I invest it, and I look after it, to kind of keep things going.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:09', 'start_time': '27:04', 'text': 'And, and money cannot be enjoyed without a certain amount of culture.'},\n {'end_time': '27:10', 'start_time': '27:09', 'text': 'That much I can tell you.'},\n {'end_time': '27:10', 'start_time': '27:10', 'text': 'What do you mean?'},\n {'end_time': '27:11', 'start_time': '27:10', 'text': 'Can you elaborate?'},\n {'end_time': '27:11', 'start_time': '27:11', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '27:17', 'start_time': '27:12', 'text': \"Like, if you've got cash, I mean, how do you how do you how to convert that into enjoyment?\"},\n {'end_time': '27:19', 'start_time': '27:17', 'text': 'That conduit is is is culture.'},\n {'end_time': '27:31', 'start_time': '27:20', 'text': \"Because whether it's listening to music, whether it's like, you know, having a nice drink of something good, or, you know, going somewhere interesting or watching something or engaging the senses somehow.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:34', 'start_time': '27:33', 'text': \"Money's no good in the bank, basically.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:35', 'start_time': '27:34', 'text': 'Like, you need to spend money.'},\n {'end_time': '27:40', 'start_time': '27:35', 'text': 'Give you a sense of security and some people make the mistake because of the environment they live in.'},\n {'end_time': '27:45', 'start_time': '27:41', 'text': 'The most fun thing that they find to do is to make the money.'},\n {'end_time': '27:48', 'start_time': '27:45', 'text': 'That feeling of making it is what they live on, which is not what I do.'},\n {'end_time': '27:52', 'start_time': '27:48', 'text': 'So I really enjoy converting it into fun.'},\n {'end_time': '27:53', 'start_time': '27:52', 'text': 'Into experiences?'},\n {'end_time': '27:53', 'start_time': '27:53', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '27:54', 'start_time': '27:53', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '27:57', 'start_time': '27:54', 'text': 'And But in terms of your personal finances, do you invest in businesses?'},\n {'end_time': '27:58', 'start_time': '27:57', 'text': 'Do you Well, you gotta balance it.'},\n {'end_time': '27:58', 'start_time': '27:58', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '28:02', 'start_time': '27:58', 'text': \"I mean, they put it all in the Punjab National Bank, you'll be in trouble.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:15', 'start_time': '28:02', 'text': 'So, you you know, across in India, across between property and, you know, certain very safe, stocks and shares and kind of banks that are boring on the interest, but are solid.'},\n {'end_time': '28:15', 'start_time': '28:15', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '28:16', 'start_time': '28:15', 'text': 'So things like that.'},\n {'end_time': '28:21', 'start_time': '28:16', 'text': \"Not I wouldn't get too adventurous with, with the markets either.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:25', 'start_time': '28:21', 'text': 'So, I mean, one hopes the economy will do well, but, you know, we never know.'},\n {'end_time': '28:27', 'start_time': '28:25', 'text': 'Diversity in investment.'},\n {'end_time': '28:27', 'start_time': '28:27', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '28:27', 'start_time': '28:27', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '28:28', 'start_time': '28:27', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '28:28', 'start_time': '28:28', 'text': 'Beautiful.'},\n {'end_time': '28:30', 'start_time': '28:29', 'text': 'And you learned that over time?'},\n {'end_time': '28:31', 'start_time': '28:30', 'text': \"It's kind of common sense.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:35', 'start_time': '28:31', 'text': \"I mean, you know, don't put all your eggs in one basket is what you're taught when you're a kid.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:35', 'start_time': '28:35', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '28:35', 'start_time': '28:35', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '28:36', 'start_time': '28:35', 'text': 'Again, reading.'},\n {'end_time': '28:39', 'start_time': '28:37', 'text': 'You read about personal finance and all that as well?'},\n {'end_time': '28:42', 'start_time': '28:39', 'text': 'A little bit, but this is more moral of the story.'},\n {'end_time': '28:44', 'start_time': '28:42', 'text': \"What is that story that says don't put all your eggs in one basket?\"},\n {'end_time': '28:48', 'start_time': '28:44', 'text': \"Like a Jakarta tale or one of those comics you read when you're a kid.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:48', 'start_time': '28:48', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '28:49', 'start_time': '28:48', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '28:50', 'start_time': '28:49', 'text': 'I mean, everyone knows the moral.'},\n {'end_time': '28:50', 'start_time': '28:50', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '29:00', 'start_time': '28:51', 'text': 'Not as an actor, not as someone from the Indian film industry, but could you give a young 22 year old, 23 year old human some career advice?'},\n {'end_time': '29:05', 'start_time': '29:01', 'text': 'Well, if you if you you know, I think you gotta find your vocation.'},\n {'end_time': '29:08', 'start_time': '29:06', 'text': \"You gotta find what really it's called a vocation.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:09', 'start_time': '29:08', 'text': \"It's from Latin.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:14', 'start_time': '29:10', 'text': \"So it's like a voice that speaks to you, that tells you this is where you should be.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:16', 'start_time': '29:14', 'text': 'A lot of people are in the wrong job.'},\n {'end_time': '29:23', 'start_time': '29:16', 'text': 'So if you find the right job for yourself, and hopefully you really love it, you know, you have to love it.'},\n {'end_time': '29:23', 'start_time': '29:23', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '29:33', 'start_time': '29:23', 'text': \"And and it's all changing now I don't know I mean those classic jobs like doctor and lawyer and there's so many things now you can be a YouTuber or a podcast?\"},\n {'end_time': '29:40', 'start_time': '29:33', 'text': \"Yeah so follow your heart as long as if you're passionate about it you might be good at it and on an emotional level what's your advice on a human level?\"},\n {'end_time': '29:41', 'start_time': '29:41', 'text': 'To people?'},\n {'end_time': '29:42', 'start_time': '29:41', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '29:44', 'start_time': '29:42', 'text': 'About relationships or whatever.'},\n {'end_time': '29:46', 'start_time': '29:45', 'text': 'Gosh.'},\n {'end_time': '29:48', 'start_time': '29:46', 'text': \"So many things to say that I've learned.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:49', 'start_time': '29:48', 'text': 'I mean, I learned from me.'},\n {'end_time': '29:50', 'start_time': '29:49', 'text': 'I mean You can go for it all.'},\n {'end_time': '29:50', 'start_time': '29:50', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '29:51', 'start_time': '29:50', 'text': \"I'm just saying.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:58', 'start_time': '29:51', 'text': 'I mean, you know, the idea is to try and be kind and to be nice to each other, of course, and, you know, read about Jesus and yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '29:59', 'start_time': '29:58', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '29:59', 'start_time': '29:59', 'text': 'Seriously.'},\n {'end_time': '29:59', 'start_time': '29:59', 'text': 'I mean, yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '30:01', 'start_time': '29:59', 'text': 'It was a wonderful outlook to life.'},\n {'end_time': '30:02', 'start_time': '30:01', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '30:06', 'start_time': '30:03', 'text': \"But, I mean, there's so many things.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:08', 'start_time': '30:06', 'text': \"I I mean, I don't wanna sound like like I'm preaching.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:09', 'start_time': '30:08', 'text': 'But just be a nice person.'},\n {'end_time': '30:12', 'start_time': '30:10', 'text': \"I mean, that's so easy to say.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:14', 'start_time': '30:12', 'text': \"Don't But, yeah, just make sure you sleep well at night.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:15', 'start_time': '30:14', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '30:15', 'start_time': '30:15', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '30:16', 'start_time': '30:15', 'text': 'Without guilt.'},\n {'end_time': '30:16', 'start_time': '30:16', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '30:19', 'start_time': '30:16', 'text': 'Try if you keep yourself guilt free okay.'},\n {'end_time': '30:20', 'start_time': '30:19', 'text': \"I'll tell you what slightly deeper.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:27', 'start_time': '30:21', 'text': 'If you like all you have to ever read really is Shakespeare and Milton.'},\n {'end_time': '30:36', 'start_time': '30:27', 'text': \"So Shakespeare in in Hamlet, Polonius' speech where he tells his son, who is leaving and going somewhere, gives him some advice.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:40', 'start_time': '30:36', 'text': \"So you just read Polonius' speech to his son and just follow that.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:46', 'start_time': '30:40', 'text': 'The last few lines of it are, and above all else, to thine own self be true.'},\n {'end_time': '30:47', 'start_time': '30:46', 'text': 'So be true to yourself.'},\n {'end_time': '30:51', 'start_time': '30:47', 'text': 'For then, as sure as night follows day, you cannot be false to anyone else.'},\n {'end_time': '30:52', 'start_time': '30:51', 'text': 'Beautiful.'},\n {'end_time': '30:52', 'start_time': '30:52', 'text': 'K.'},\n {'end_time': '30:55', 'start_time': '30:52', 'text': 'So that I think is good advice from father to his son.'},\n {'end_time': '30:57', 'start_time': '30:55', 'text': 'Saif Ali Khan, thank you so much, man.'},\n {'end_time': '30:58', 'start_time': '30:57', 'text': 'Learned a lot from you.'},\n {'end_time': '31:00', 'start_time': '30:58', 'text': 'Learned a lot from this particular conversation.'},\n {'end_time': '31:04', 'start_time': '31:00', 'text': 'If you could ask everyone to subscribe to beer biceps, it will make my day.'},\n {'end_time': '31:04', 'start_time': '31:04', 'text': 'Hi.'},\n {'end_time': '31:08', 'start_time': '31:04', 'text': 'This is Saif Ali Khan, and please subscribe to beer 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{ "transcripts": [ { "end_time": "0:01", "start_time": "0:00", "text": "What's good, you guys?" }, { "end_time": "0:02", "start_time": "0:01", "text": "Another episode of the Ranveer Show." }, { "end_time": "0:08", "start_time": "0:02", "text": "This time featuring who I call the Virat Kohli of the Hindi film industry, Rajkumar Rao." }, { "end_time": "0:11", "start_time": "0:08", "text": "Purely built his career on hard work." }, { "end_time": "0:13", "start_time": "0:11", "text": "He's seen some very dark, very difficult times." }, { "end_time": "0:16", "start_time": "0:13", "text": "And the best part about this guy is that he doesn't even acknowledge it." }, { "end_time": "0:18", "start_time": "0:16", "text": "He's just having so much fun acting." }, { "end_time": "0:24", "start_time": "0:18", "text": "He's just having so much fun in his hustle that his career is just flying without him even realizing it." }, { "end_time": "0:29", "start_time": "0:24", "text": "In today's podcast, once again, we've dive deep into this man's amazing mind." }, { "end_time": "0:37", "start_time": "0:29", "text": "So if you want some inspiration, if you need some fire to follow your own passion, watch the entire episode till the end." }, { "end_time": "0:41", "start_time": "0:37", "text": "It's one of our most fiery inspiring episodes of the Ranveer Show." }, { "end_time": "0:42", "start_time": "0:41", "text": "Enjoy yourselves." }, { "end_time": "0:52", "start_time": "0:50", "text": "Welcome to another episode of the Ranveer Show." }, { "end_time": "0:58", "start_time": "0:52", "text": "When I was creating this podcast, one of the original episodes I had in mind was the inspirational story of Rajkumar Rao." }, { "end_time": "0:59", "start_time": "0:59", "text": "Thank you so much." }, { "end_time": "1:00", "start_time": "0:59", "text": "Thank you so much." }, { "end_time": "1:02", "start_time": "1:00", "text": "I thank you so much for being on this episode." }, { "end_time": "1:03", "start_time": "1:02", "text": "My pleasure." }, { "end_time": "1:08", "start_time": "1:04", "text": "Again, I'd if you've seen this show, we go very deep with each of our guests." }, { "end_time": "1:14", "start_time": "1:08", "text": "I want someone to come up to you and tell you that this episode changed their life because let's see." }, { "end_time": "1:19", "start_time": "1:14", "text": "Any, anyone who's like studied your journey knows what you've been through early on in your career." }, { "end_time": "1:23", "start_time": "1:19", "text": "So I actually want to take you even before your early career to your childhood." }, { "end_time": "1:25", "start_time": "1:24", "text": "What was your mentality then?" }, { "end_time": "1:27", "start_time": "1:25", "text": "Because I know you really look up to Shah Rukh Khan." }, { "end_time": "1:28", "start_time": "1:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:29", "start_time": "1:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:29", "start_time": "1:29", "text": "When I was a kid." }, { "end_time": "1:30", "start_time": "1:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "1:34", "start_time": "1:31", "text": "So you know I I was good at studies." }, { "end_time": "1:35", "start_time": "1:34", "text": "I grew up in a joint family in Gurgaon." }, { "end_time": "1:38", "start_time": "1:35", "text": "So it's like some 4 brothers, 2 sisters." }, { "end_time": "1:46", "start_time": "1:39", "text": "And so once I was in class 2nd or 3rd and my brother used to take us we used to go for jocks and runs early in the morning." }, { "end_time": "1:49", "start_time": "1:46", "text": "And once we were just going to the stadium called Nehru stadium in Gurgaon." }, { "end_time": "1:51", "start_time": "1:49", "text": "And my brother used to elder brother, the eldest one." }, { "end_time": "1:55", "start_time": "1:51", "text": "He used to teach us some as a film me fights as we could we all were kids." }, { "end_time": "1:57", "start_time": "1:55", "text": "So we used to go, yeah, you." }, { "end_time": "1:59", "start_time": "1:57", "text": "And there's this guy sitting there, young guy." }, { "end_time": "2:00", "start_time": "1:59", "text": "He just noticed that." }, { "end_time": "2:00", "start_time": "2:00", "text": "He said, k." }, { "end_time": "2:02", "start_time": "2:00", "text": "Do you guys do you wanna learn some martial arts?" }, { "end_time": "2:03", "start_time": "2:02", "text": "We're like, yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:03", "start_time": "2:03", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "2:03", "start_time": "2:03", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "2:04", "start_time": "2:03", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "2:06", "start_time": "2:04", "text": "And he started teaching us taekwondo." }, { "end_time": "2:06", "start_time": "2:06", "text": "He was a professional." }, { "end_time": "2:07", "start_time": "2:06", "text": "His name is mister Yamin." }, { "end_time": "2:09", "start_time": "2:07", "text": "He's my taekwondo coach." }, { "end_time": "2:12", "start_time": "2:09", "text": "And I was the only one who continued for almost 11, 12 years." }, { "end_time": "2:14", "start_time": "2:12", "text": "Everybody just, you know, quit." }, { "end_time": "2:17", "start_time": "2:14", "text": "And I went on to, like, win some national gold medals and all." }, { "end_time": "2:19", "start_time": "2:17", "text": "And then dance came into my life." }, { "end_time": "2:22", "start_time": "2:19", "text": "I think somewhere through him, somewhere through my dance teachers, in my school." }, { "end_time": "2:26", "start_time": "2:22", "text": "So I started enjoying doing these different things apart from studies also." }, { "end_time": "2:36", "start_time": "2:26", "text": "I was I started getting attention, you know, a lot of attention in school and this guy dances well and, this guy is is in martial arts and then acting just happened in class 9, 10th." }, { "end_time": "2:40", "start_time": "2:37", "text": "We had this tradition that we used to watch 2, 3 films every weekend." }, { "end_time": "2:42", "start_time": "2:40", "text": "The whole family would watch." }, { "end_time": "2:43", "start_time": "2:42", "text": "And I would get deeply involved." }, { "end_time": "2:51", "start_time": "2:43", "text": "And when I saw Agneepath, when Amajee dies in Agneepath, Vijay, you know, Ajahn, I remember just howling under my pillow that how can Amitabh Bachchan die, man?" }, { "end_time": "2:52", "start_time": "2:51", "text": "He's Amitabh Bachchan." }, { "end_time": "2:53", "start_time": "2:52", "text": "I got so involved." }, { "end_time": "2:57", "start_time": "2:53", "text": "It was so believable for me that I was praying to God that please, you know, let him come back." }, { "end_time": "2:59", "start_time": "2:57", "text": "Please, please make him alive." }, { "end_time": "3:02", "start_time": "2:59", "text": "So I was very, very moved by by watching these great stories." }, { "end_time": "3:05", "start_time": "3:02", "text": "And I since then, I think I I was very influenced that I want to do this." }, { "end_time": "3:07", "start_time": "3:05", "text": "I wanna be a part of these guys." }, { "end_time": "3:13", "start_time": "3:07", "text": "Whenever I would see, like, once there was this, we got to know there's a shoot happening in Gurgaon, like, somebody really outskirts." }, { "end_time": "3:16", "start_time": "3:13", "text": "And we all went there as kids, like, on our cycles." }, { "end_time": "3:18", "start_time": "3:16", "text": "And some action sequence were going on." }, { "end_time": "3:19", "start_time": "3:18", "text": "I think it was some Dino Moria film." }, { "end_time": "3:26", "start_time": "3:19", "text": "Of course, we couldn't see Dinomoria, but we were just so I was just so fascinated with all those lights and people screaming, yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:26", "start_time": "3:26", "text": "It's called a Usla." }, { "end_time": "3:27", "start_time": "3:26", "text": "Oh, Rala." }, { "end_time": "3:27", "start_time": "3:27", "text": "Rala." }, { "end_time": "3:27", "start_time": "3:27", "text": "Rala." }, { "end_time": "3:28", "start_time": "3:27", "text": "And like, wow." }, { "end_time": "3:30", "start_time": "3:28", "text": "I wanna be in this world, man." }, { "end_time": "3:32", "start_time": "3:30", "text": "Did you feel internally drawn?" }, { "end_time": "3:32", "start_time": "3:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:32", "start_time": "3:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:32", "start_time": "3:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:34", "start_time": "3:32", "text": "The whole goosebump thing happened with me." }, { "end_time": "3:42", "start_time": "3:39", "text": "And then I, then of course I got conned in Delhi." }, { "end_time": "3:46", "start_time": "3:43", "text": "Somebody just took 10,000 rupees from me for for nothing." }, { "end_time": "3:46", "start_time": "3:46", "text": "I was in class." }, { "end_time": "3:47", "start_time": "3:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "3:47", "start_time": "3:47", "text": "10th." }, { "end_time": "3:50", "start_time": "3:47", "text": "And I read in newspaper some Zee TV serial." }, { "end_time": "3:53", "start_time": "3:50", "text": "I had no idea about, you know, what is the difference between television or or films." }, { "end_time": "3:58", "start_time": "3:54", "text": "So I went there and then he made some Filmy portfolio of mine and said, k." }, { "end_time": "3:59", "start_time": "3:58", "text": "Then I got a call also." }, { "end_time": "4:00", "start_time": "3:59", "text": "You got selected and I was like, woah." }, { "end_time": "4:01", "start_time": "4:00", "text": "I got set, man." }, { "end_time": "4:04", "start_time": "4:03", "text": "And then I went there again." }, { "end_time": "4:05", "start_time": "4:04", "text": "The office was not there." }, { "end_time": "4:07", "start_time": "4:05", "text": "Exactly like how, you know, and that's." }, { "end_time": "4:09", "start_time": "4:08", "text": "You know, my moods are seen." }, { "end_time": "4:11", "start_time": "4:09", "text": "Same way." }, { "end_time": "4:24", "start_time": "4:14", "text": "But then I said kid it's fine you know but this is something I want to do then I started doing theater in Delhi, for 2 years and 3 years during my graduation then luckily FDI acting course restarted." }, { "end_time": "4:30", "start_time": "4:24", "text": "So I applied there after my graduation I I I got through And then FDI film school just changed my life." }, { "end_time": "4:35", "start_time": "4:30", "text": "That just opened the whole perception of my whole perception of acting change for me." }, { "end_time": "4:40", "start_time": "4:35", "text": "Is it is it fair to say, like, that you do want to become, say, the next Shah Rukh Khan?" }, { "end_time": "4:43", "start_time": "4:40", "text": "I know you're going to become the first Rajkumar Rao, but somewhere in your heart No." }, { "end_time": "4:44", "start_time": "4:43", "text": "I know." }, { "end_time": "4:44", "start_time": "4:44", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "4:45", "start_time": "4:44", "text": "I I don't think so." }, { "end_time": "4:47", "start_time": "4:45", "text": "I really I've stopped thinking like that." }, { "end_time": "4:47", "start_time": "4:47", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "4:48", "start_time": "4:47", "text": "But you say so too there." }, { "end_time": "4:49", "start_time": "4:48", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "4:52", "start_time": "4:49", "text": "When I was growing up as a kid, I was full Shah Rukh Khan." }, { "end_time": "4:54", "start_time": "4:52", "text": "I used to watch Mob, but they were not even Shah Rukh Khan." }, { "end_time": "4:57", "start_time": "4:54", "text": "I think everybody whatever film I would watch, I would become that character for 2 weeks." }, { "end_time": "5:01", "start_time": "4:57", "text": "Did you see any actor and think to yourself, I want to reach somewhere where he has reached?" }, { "end_time": "5:03", "start_time": "5:01", "text": "He inspired me a lot." }, { "end_time": "5:03", "start_time": "5:03", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "5:05", "start_time": "5:03", "text": "Because I could connect to his journey." }, { "end_time": "5:06", "start_time": "5:05", "text": "He's also from Delhi." }, { "end_time": "5:07", "start_time": "5:06", "text": "He used to do theater." }, { "end_time": "5:10", "start_time": "5:07", "text": "So I thought if and he's like my I really love him." }, { "end_time": "5:11", "start_time": "5:10", "text": "I I adore him." }, { "end_time": "5:11", "start_time": "5:11", "text": "Like all of us." }, { "end_time": "5:12", "start_time": "5:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:13", "start_time": "5:12", "text": "Like all of us." }, { "end_time": "5:13", "start_time": "5:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:16", "start_time": "5:13", "text": "So I thought, you know, when he can make it, why can't I make it?" }, { "end_time": "5:16", "start_time": "5:16", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:17", "start_time": "5:16", "text": "I can also make it." }, { "end_time": "5:20", "start_time": "5:17", "text": "But So he really inspired me to to really try harder." }, { "end_time": "5:22", "start_time": "5:20", "text": "What was that moment for you in Gurgaon?" }, { "end_time": "5:28", "start_time": "5:24", "text": "So this ZTV thing happened and then I I decided, it's fine." }, { "end_time": "5:30", "start_time": "5:28", "text": "It didn't work out here, but I wanna go to Bombay." }, { "end_time": "5:31", "start_time": "5:30", "text": "I I want to see that city." }, { "end_time": "5:34", "start_time": "5:31", "text": "I want to, you know, at least start from somewhere." }, { "end_time": "5:37", "start_time": "5:34", "text": "So I came to actually to give audition for Boogie Woogie with my younger brother." }, { "end_time": "5:38", "start_time": "5:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "5:39", "start_time": "5:38", "text": "We came in the train." }, { "end_time": "5:41", "start_time": "5:39", "text": "It took us around 2 and a half, 3 days at that time." }, { "end_time": "5:44", "start_time": "5:41", "text": "And we were like I'm from, like, a middle class family, you know, just managing." }, { "end_time": "5:46", "start_time": "5:45", "text": "So somehow we reached here." }, { "end_time": "5:50", "start_time": "5:46", "text": "He is I was in class 11th, and he is, 3 years younger than me." }, { "end_time": "5:57", "start_time": "5:50", "text": "So we both came to this city, and I would just we give the audition luckily or unluckily I, you know, they didn't select me." }, { "end_time": "6:00", "start_time": "5:58", "text": "But I was just so fascinated with the city." }, { "end_time": "6:01", "start_time": "6:00", "text": "We were just walking." }, { "end_time": "6:01", "start_time": "6:01", "text": "We didn't have money." }, { "end_time": "6:07", "start_time": "6:01", "text": "We were stay sleeping at the station for 2 nights, and I was just standing outside Manat for hours." }, { "end_time": "6:07", "start_time": "6:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "6:11", "start_time": "6:07", "text": "Just to have a glimpse of, you know, the guy I'm so much in love with." }, { "end_time": "6:15", "start_time": "6:11", "text": "Like, but that then I, of course, then I went back." }, { "end_time": "6:18", "start_time": "6:15", "text": "And then after 12th, I joined series, like, a theater group in Delhi, Shiram Center." }, { "end_time": "6:19", "start_time": "6:18", "text": "I wanna stop you." }, { "end_time": "6:26", "start_time": "6:19", "text": "How do you feel now when you're in the same room as people like that and, you know, you're spoken about as a category a Bollywood star?" }, { "end_time": "6:31", "start_time": "6:26", "text": "Now, you know, it's it's strange because, of course, first time when I met him, it was very surreal for me." }, { "end_time": "6:32", "start_time": "6:31", "text": "I stood out for this van." }, { "end_time": "6:34", "start_time": "6:32", "text": "I sent a message to Shakhun." }, { "end_time": "6:37", "start_time": "6:34", "text": "He was shooting an ad with him that, you know, I wanna I would love to meet him." }, { "end_time": "6:38", "start_time": "6:37", "text": "I'm a big fan." }, { "end_time": "6:40", "start_time": "6:38", "text": "So he met me so nicely." }, { "end_time": "6:44", "start_time": "6:40", "text": "Like, all my you know, they always say you should never meet your mentor, your idol." }, { "end_time": "6:46", "start_time": "6:44", "text": "But in this case, it was absolutely absolutely opposite." }, { "end_time": "6:48", "start_time": "6:46", "text": "What did you learn from him?" }, { "end_time": "6:52", "start_time": "6:48", "text": "His humility, how he makes you feel so special, how he knows everything about you." }, { "end_time": "6:59", "start_time": "6:52", "text": "And so that I was just amazed that how can someone be so grounded and and and can just charm you Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "7:01", "start_time": "6:59", "text": "Just by his just by meeting you." }, { "end_time": "7:02", "start_time": "7:01", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:04", "start_time": "7:02", "text": "But not by not being anything special, not being anything extra." }, { "end_time": "7:05", "start_time": "7:04", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:07", "start_time": "7:05", "text": "I became a bigger fan after that." }, { "end_time": "7:07", "start_time": "7:07", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "7:12", "start_time": "7:08", "text": "Now, of course, we we are close, you know, close as in, like, I I know that I can send him a message." }, { "end_time": "7:13", "start_time": "7:12", "text": "I know that I can call him." }, { "end_time": "7:16", "start_time": "7:14", "text": "I get a call from him also sometimes." }, { "end_time": "7:17", "start_time": "7:16", "text": "So it's it's great." }, { "end_time": "7:17", "start_time": "7:17", "text": "It's surreal." }, { "end_time": "7:18", "start_time": "7:17", "text": "It's still surreal." }, { "end_time": "7:24", "start_time": "7:19", "text": "But now I think I've I've reached, that state that I know that, you know, he is he's somebody I I I have access to." }, { "end_time": "7:27", "start_time": "7:24", "text": "I can I can reach out to whenever I'm in trouble?" }, { "end_time": "7:27", "start_time": "7:27", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:31", "start_time": "7:27", "text": "I personally look at Shahrukh Khan as kind of an entrepreneur, and that's what you're doing in made in China." }, { "end_time": "7:32", "start_time": "7:31", "text": "You're playing an entrepreneur." }, { "end_time": "7:32", "start_time": "7:32", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:37", "start_time": "7:32", "text": "And I also heard you saying in one of your interviews that your acting is kind of like entrepreneurship." }, { "end_time": "7:37", "start_time": "7:37", "text": "Actors." }, { "end_time": "7:38", "start_time": "7:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "7:44", "start_time": "7:38", "text": "Like, you know, when you're beginning, when you're just starting out, like, as entrepreneur, startup guys, you try and sell your ideas." }, { "end_time": "7:45", "start_time": "7:44", "text": "You try and sell your your product." }, { "end_time": "7:46", "start_time": "7:45", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "7:48", "start_time": "7:46", "text": "Same like us, you know, we go to different audition." }, { "end_time": "7:49", "start_time": "7:48", "text": "We try and sell ourselves." }, { "end_time": "7:51", "start_time": "7:49", "text": "We try and sell the best version of ourselves." }, { "end_time": "7:55", "start_time": "7:51", "text": "We try and sell our talent, you know, so that somebody out there can invest in us." }, { "end_time": "7:55", "start_time": "7:55", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "7:56", "start_time": "7:55", "text": "So it's the same thing." }, { "end_time": "8:00", "start_time": "7:56", "text": "In a way, it's the same thing, you know, here you're selling something which is of your own." }, { "end_time": "8:03", "start_time": "8:00", "text": "And as an entrepreneur, you're selling a different product, a different commodity." }, { "end_time": "8:04", "start_time": "8:03", "text": "Crazy." }, { "end_time": "8:07", "start_time": "8:04", "text": "I want to take you to the actual struggling phase, the auditions." }, { "end_time": "8:08", "start_time": "8:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:08", "start_time": "8:08", "text": "Auditions, man." }, { "end_time": "8:09", "start_time": "8:08", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:10", "start_time": "8:09", "text": "Was it a dark time for you?" }, { "end_time": "8:11", "start_time": "8:10", "text": "Not dark." }, { "end_time": "8:12", "start_time": "8:11", "text": "I really enjoyed it." }, { "end_time": "8:13", "start_time": "8:12", "text": "I was so happy coming to the city." }, { "end_time": "8:21", "start_time": "8:13", "text": "You know, after after FTI, I came here on 17th February 2008 on my bike, which I used to drive, like, ride in On your bike?" }, { "end_time": "8:21", "start_time": "8:21", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:23", "start_time": "8:21", "text": "But have you drove from Gurgaon?" }, { "end_time": "8:23", "start_time": "8:23", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "8:23", "start_time": "8:23", "text": "From Pune." }, { "end_time": "8:24", "start_time": "8:23", "text": "Oh." }, { "end_time": "8:26", "start_time": "8:24", "text": "So I got my bike and train from Delhi to Pune." }, { "end_time": "8:26", "start_time": "8:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:29", "start_time": "8:26", "text": "And from Pune to Bombay, I I I came here on my bike." }, { "end_time": "8:32", "start_time": "8:29", "text": "I used to travel like, ride that bike for almost 4 years." }, { "end_time": "8:34", "start_time": "8:32", "text": "I I I was on that used I used that bike." }, { "end_time": "8:35", "start_time": "8:35", "text": "Abhi Kornji." }, { "end_time": "8:38", "start_time": "8:36", "text": "Abhi, it's a q 7 and a Mercedes." }, { "end_time": "8:39", "start_time": "8:38", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "8:40", "start_time": "8:39", "text": "But let's come back to your audition." }, { "end_time": "8:40", "start_time": "8:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:48", "start_time": "8:41", "text": "So it was great great just to be here and to and, you know, start living your dream that, you know, I you're really close to your dream Yeah." }, { "end_time": "8:50", "start_time": "8:49", "text": "Of to become this film actor." }, { "end_time": "8:52", "start_time": "8:50", "text": "You always I always wanted to act in films." }, { "end_time": "8:54", "start_time": "8:52", "text": "I like, at least I'm here now, you know." }, { "end_time": "8:56", "start_time": "8:54", "text": "Exam hall." }, { "end_time": "9:04", "start_time": "8:56", "text": "But, my only thing was that I had to I made sure that I meet at least one person every day." }, { "end_time": "9:08", "start_time": "9:04", "text": "If not, I can't really sit at home in Mumbai and do for work." }, { "end_time": "9:09", "start_time": "9:09", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "9:11", "start_time": "9:09", "text": "I And that's helped you actually in your career?" }, { "end_time": "9:11", "start_time": "9:11", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "9:12", "start_time": "9:11", "text": "Of course." }, { "end_time": "9:13", "start_time": "9:12", "text": "I I came here with a showreel." }, { "end_time": "9:26", "start_time": "9:13", "text": "I made this, like, a 5 minute showreel where I I put everything of mine from FTI days, my dance, my martial arts acting portion, my short films, plays, my portfolios, really weird portfolios now when I look back." }, { "end_time": "9:30", "start_time": "9:27", "text": "But I was trying to show that port showreel to everyone, whoever I can." }, { "end_time": "9:32", "start_time": "9:30", "text": "But luckily, they were casting directors by then." }, { "end_time": "9:32", "start_time": "9:32", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "9:35", "start_time": "9:32", "text": "So, you know, at least you have someone to reach out to, someone to meet." }, { "end_time": "9:38", "start_time": "9:36", "text": "So I was trying to meet a lot of people, trying to show them my showreel." }, { "end_time": "9:43", "start_time": "9:39", "text": "But for one and a half, 2 years, like, they would they would like it." }, { "end_time": "9:48", "start_time": "9:43", "text": "They would call me for for audition, but they would say, you know, there's this really one scene part." }, { "end_time": "9:51", "start_time": "9:48", "text": "Do that or maybe just a very passing shot, which I did also." }, { "end_time": "9:55", "start_time": "9:51", "text": "Like, I I did one ad where there were some 50 people and I was one of them." }, { "end_time": "10:00", "start_time": "9:56", "text": "My but the first audition that I gave in Mumbai was on 3rd March." }, { "end_time": "10:01", "start_time": "10:00", "text": "I still remember the date." }, { "end_time": "10:02", "start_time": "10:01", "text": "And I cracked that audition." }, { "end_time": "10:04", "start_time": "10:02", "text": "It was an ad audition for HDFC Bank." }, { "end_time": "10:12", "start_time": "10:05", "text": "I was supposed to play some petrol, like, some someone on the petrol at the petrol pump station, and I I got it." }, { "end_time": "10:13", "start_time": "10:12", "text": "I was like, this city loves me." }, { "end_time": "10:14", "start_time": "10:13", "text": "1st audition, I got it." }, { "end_time": "10:17", "start_time": "10:14", "text": "And after that, of course, 1 and a half, 2 year, there was nothing." }, { "end_time": "10:17", "start_time": "10:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:19", "start_time": "10:18", "text": "But people were very, very helpful." }, { "end_time": "10:20", "start_time": "10:19", "text": "People who were were positive." }, { "end_time": "10:23", "start_time": "10:20", "text": "In those 2 years, did you have a positive mindset?" }, { "end_time": "10:24", "start_time": "10:23", "text": "I have." }, { "end_time": "10:24", "start_time": "10:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:25", "start_time": "10:24", "text": "I had." }, { "end_time": "10:25", "start_time": "10:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:26", "start_time": "10:25", "text": "I I had a full positive mindset." }, { "end_time": "10:28", "start_time": "10:26", "text": "Also, my mother really supported me." }, { "end_time": "10:30", "start_time": "10:28", "text": "Like, What did she tell you?" }, { "end_time": "10:31", "start_time": "10:30", "text": "She would just tell me just be at it." }, { "end_time": "10:32", "start_time": "10:31", "text": "You know, work hard." }, { "end_time": "10:33", "start_time": "10:32", "text": "You're gonna make it." }, { "end_time": "10:33", "start_time": "10:33", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "10:34", "start_time": "10:33", "text": "She must have seen something." }, { "end_time": "10:35", "start_time": "10:34", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:37", "start_time": "10:35", "text": "She she was just always there for me." }, { "end_time": "10:39", "start_time": "10:37", "text": "Did you believe in yourself at that point?" }, { "end_time": "10:40", "start_time": "10:39", "text": "I I did believe in myself." }, { "end_time": "10:42", "start_time": "10:40", "text": "I was I was very positive." }, { "end_time": "10:44", "start_time": "10:42", "text": "I'm, my blood group is also b positive." }, { "end_time": "10:46", "start_time": "10:44", "text": "So So I was I was pretty sure it would work out." }, { "end_time": "10:49", "start_time": "10:46", "text": "Maybe it might take some time, but I don't know." }, { "end_time": "10:51", "start_time": "10:49", "text": "I I was not sure how long would I go." }, { "end_time": "10:51", "start_time": "10:51", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "10:53", "start_time": "10:51", "text": "But I was sure that I'm gonna get into it." }, { "end_time": "10:55", "start_time": "10:54", "text": "I'm gonna get some some work." }, { "end_time": "10:57", "start_time": "10:55", "text": "I'm gonna I'm gonna act in films." }, { "end_time": "10:57", "start_time": "10:57", "text": "Crazy." }, { "end_time": "11:04", "start_time": "10:57", "text": "I used to, like, roam around on my bike with some a parlejika packet and a fruity or or a Coke because, you know, times were hard." }, { "end_time": "11:05", "start_time": "11:04", "text": "There was not really too much money." }, { "end_time": "11:14", "start_time": "11:05", "text": "And they would at one point of time, I was living with a friend of mine and I had some, I think, 18 rupees in my account and he had some 23 rupees in his account." }, { "end_time": "11:15", "start_time": "11:14", "text": "It's like, oh, man." }, { "end_time": "11:17", "start_time": "11:15", "text": "What what we gonna do about the dinner today?" }, { "end_time": "11:21", "start_time": "11:17", "text": "So we called another friend of ours and then we asked him, you know, can we come and share your meal?" }, { "end_time": "11:21", "start_time": "11:21", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "11:24", "start_time": "11:21", "text": "So we have seen those times, but but with a happy face." }, { "end_time": "11:26", "start_time": "11:24", "text": "We never thought that, you know, it's gonna it's getting tougher." }, { "end_time": "11:28", "start_time": "11:26", "text": "Maybe we should try something else." }, { "end_time": "11:32", "start_time": "11:28", "text": "There were a couple of people around me who told me that why don't you try television, you know." }, { "end_time": "11:34", "start_time": "11:32", "text": "It it it it might be easy." }, { "end_time": "11:36", "start_time": "11:34", "text": "I'm sure it even that's not easy." }, { "end_time": "11:40", "start_time": "11:36", "text": "But I I never wanted to do anything else apart from films." }, { "end_time": "11:40", "start_time": "11:40", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "11:43", "start_time": "11:41", "text": "Through this whole struggle phase, what was your lowest point?" }, { "end_time": "11:46", "start_time": "11:43", "text": "What was the point where you were almost about to break?" }, { "end_time": "11:49", "start_time": "11:47", "text": "Whenever there was no money." }, { "end_time": "11:49", "start_time": "11:49", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "11:53", "start_time": "11:49", "text": "And and that happened quite a lot when you feel that, oh, suddenly shit." }, { "end_time": "11:54", "start_time": "11:53", "text": "There's no money in my account." }, { "end_time": "11:55", "start_time": "11:54", "text": "But then you have friends." }, { "end_time": "11:59", "start_time": "11:55", "text": "I think FTI is a big community and we all really love each other." }, { "end_time": "12:05", "start_time": "11:59", "text": "You know, anybody from FTI up, if you ask him or ask him or ask him best time, they would say FTI." }, { "end_time": "12:08", "start_time": "12:05", "text": "Being in FTI is the best time of their lives." }, { "end_time": "12:09", "start_time": "12:08", "text": "So I think I used to call." }, { "end_time": "12:11", "start_time": "12:09", "text": "They were friends everywhere." }, { "end_time": "12:14", "start_time": "12:11", "text": "So I would go and meet them and and share a meal with them." }, { "end_time": "12:23", "start_time": "12:14", "text": "But one thing which I kept doing which made me really happy was which I tell all the actors out there who are trying to, you know, make it big that don't just sit at home doing nothing." }, { "end_time": "12:27", "start_time": "12:24", "text": "What I used to do is because I I I wanted to act every day of my life." }, { "end_time": "12:29", "start_time": "12:27", "text": "I still want to act every day of my life." }, { "end_time": "12:35", "start_time": "12:29", "text": "So we, 3, 4 of, like, friends of mine, we would just get together and we would do some scene work, some improvisation work." }, { "end_time": "12:37", "start_time": "12:36", "text": "And that would give us so much of happiness." }, { "end_time": "12:38", "start_time": "12:37", "text": "Trust me." }, { "end_time": "12:40", "start_time": "12:38", "text": "That would make us feel like a life." }, { "end_time": "12:42", "start_time": "12:40", "text": "Something worth your time." }, { "end_time": "12:43", "start_time": "12:42", "text": "You kept your mind busy always." }, { "end_time": "12:44", "start_time": "12:43", "text": "I kept your mind very busy." }, { "end_time": "12:52", "start_time": "12:44", "text": "I never really, and luckily I was not into anything wrong like alcohol, smoking, drugs, nothing." }, { "end_time": "12:53", "start_time": "12:52", "text": "Have you seen people go down because of that?" }, { "end_time": "13:00", "start_time": "12:55", "text": "Maybe not go down, but I but I've seen people that, you know, taking taking it little lightly." }, { "end_time": "13:03", "start_time": "13:01", "text": "Like the careers are lightly and doing this?" }, { "end_time": "13:10", "start_time": "13:04", "text": "I won't say, like, career light career lightly, but maybe they could have worked more harder Got it." }, { "end_time": "13:11", "start_time": "13:10", "text": "Than what they have done." }, { "end_time": "13:15", "start_time": "13:11", "text": "What is what is, like, the core trait in you that's actually got you this far?" }, { "end_time": "13:18", "start_time": "13:15", "text": "Would you say that it's this thing of keeping yourself busy always?" }, { "end_time": "13:21", "start_time": "13:19", "text": "I was really hard working when I was in Delhi." }, { "end_time": "13:25", "start_time": "13:21", "text": "I used to cycle from Gurgaon to Delhi almost 70 kilometers up and down." }, { "end_time": "13:29", "start_time": "13:25", "text": "So I know if I have to be somewhere, I'm ready to really push myself." }, { "end_time": "13:30", "start_time": "13:29", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "13:36", "start_time": "13:30", "text": "I can maybe I I can't be the most talented, but I can be I can work really hard." }, { "end_time": "13:36", "start_time": "13:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:37", "start_time": "13:36", "text": "That I can work hardest." }, { "end_time": "13:37", "start_time": "13:37", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "13:39", "start_time": "13:37", "text": "So that is something which really kept me going." }, { "end_time": "13:41", "start_time": "13:39", "text": "What was your financial turning point?" }, { "end_time": "13:43", "start_time": "13:41", "text": "Like, what was the point where money became a little easier?" }, { "end_time": "13:52", "start_time": "13:46", "text": "So first thing happened in 2010, LSD, for which I got paid, 11,000 rupees, which was nothing, actually." }, { "end_time": "13:56", "start_time": "13:52", "text": "Then I did Ragnew MS for which I got paid around 1 lakh rupees, and I thought 1 lakh?" }, { "end_time": "13:58", "start_time": "13:56", "text": "I'm gonna have 1 lakh rupees in my account." }, { "end_time": "13:59", "start_time": "13:58", "text": "That's huge." }, { "end_time": "14:04", "start_time": "14:00", "text": "And then I think since after that, I was I was just working constantly." }, { "end_time": "14:09", "start_time": "14:04", "text": "I was doing a lot of, like, supporting parts in a lot of films, Gangs of Wassepur, Shaitan, Talaz." }, { "end_time": "14:12", "start_time": "14:10", "text": "And I was getting paid decent amount." }, { "end_time": "14:14", "start_time": "14:12", "text": "I'm, like, 2 lakhs, 3 lakhs, 4 lakhs." }, { "end_time": "14:17", "start_time": "14:15", "text": "So after that, I think I was surviving." }, { "end_time": "14:24", "start_time": "14:18", "text": "But then the turning point happened maybe, in 2016, I think, when, after." }, { "end_time": "14:25", "start_time": "14:25", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "14:26", "start_time": "14:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "14:29", "start_time": "14:26", "text": "And how did it change things for you financially, madam, in your real life?" }, { "end_time": "14:35", "start_time": "14:30", "text": "In my real life, you know, money somewhere, of course, gives you that comfort." }, { "end_time": "14:36", "start_time": "14:35", "text": "It it takes away a lot of stress." }, { "end_time": "14:37", "start_time": "14:37", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "14:41", "start_time": "14:37", "text": "And also I'm I'm I was like, I'm I send money back home also." }, { "end_time": "14:46", "start_time": "14:41", "text": "I I I try and, like, you know, give them as much comfort as I can because they were there for me." }, { "end_time": "14:47", "start_time": "14:46", "text": "It's my family." }, { "end_time": "14:51", "start_time": "14:48", "text": "But I think apart from that, doesn't really do much to me." }, { "end_time": "14:53", "start_time": "14:51", "text": "I still don't really take it too seriously." }, { "end_time": "14:56", "start_time": "14:53", "text": "Like, I've never really left a film for for monetary reasons." }, { "end_time": "14:57", "start_time": "14:56", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "14:58", "start_time": "14:57", "text": "Money is just a byproduct?" }, { "end_time": "14:58", "start_time": "14:58", "text": "It's just a byproduct." }, { "end_time": "15:00", "start_time": "14:59", "text": "It just gives you some comfort in life." }, { "end_time": "15:06", "start_time": "15:00", "text": "But apart from that I think it's it's the work that you do with That's your driving force today?" }, { "end_time": "15:07", "start_time": "15:06", "text": "You want to put out art?" }, { "end_time": "15:08", "start_time": "15:07", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:08", "start_time": "15:08", "text": "Absolutely." }, { "end_time": "15:10", "start_time": "15:08", "text": "I want to put out exciting parts." }, { "end_time": "15:12", "start_time": "15:10", "text": "I want to challenge myself as an actor." }, { "end_time": "15:16", "start_time": "15:12", "text": "I wanna surprise you, you know, with my work and You do that in every film." }, { "end_time": "15:17", "start_time": "15:16", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "15:20", "start_time": "15:17", "text": "And that's the only thing which keeps me going, which is which motivates me every day." }, { "end_time": "15:20", "start_time": "15:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:24", "start_time": "15:20", "text": "You know, they say that Bollywood used to be about glam and all that." }, { "end_time": "15:25", "start_time": "15:24", "text": "Now it's about content." }, { "end_time": "15:25", "start_time": "15:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:28", "start_time": "15:25", "text": "I think you're at the forefront of that whole content revolution." }, { "end_time": "15:30", "start_time": "15:28", "text": "People have seen Rajkumar taking a risk and Thank you." }, { "end_time": "15:32", "start_time": "15:31", "text": "Everyone's following you in a way." }, { "end_time": "15:33", "start_time": "15:32", "text": "Thanks a lot." }, { "end_time": "15:33", "start_time": "15:33", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "15:34", "start_time": "15:33", "text": "Do you see yourself that way?" }, { "end_time": "15:36", "start_time": "15:34", "text": "Do you see yourself as a leader of a change?" }, { "end_time": "15:36", "start_time": "15:36", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "15:37", "start_time": "15:36", "text": "That's a good name." }, { "end_time": "15:38", "start_time": "15:37", "text": "I know." }, { "end_time": "15:40", "start_time": "15:38", "text": "I I live a very, trust me, I I live a very simple life." }, { "end_time": "15:42", "start_time": "15:40", "text": "I I do my work." }, { "end_time": "15:43", "start_time": "15:42", "text": "I go back home." }, { "end_time": "15:45", "start_time": "15:43", "text": "I I'm this really simple guy." }, { "end_time": "15:50", "start_time": "15:45", "text": "I would be roaming around in his boxer and and and banyan at home and would be washing utensils." }, { "end_time": "15:50", "start_time": "15:50", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "15:57", "start_time": "15:50", "text": "I would be washing utensils, would be serving my own food, would take would go to Godrej, Supermart to do shopping." }, { "end_time": "15:59", "start_time": "15:57", "text": "I do I do everything on my own." }, { "end_time": "16:03", "start_time": "15:59", "text": "You'll you'll you can find me in juvoo eating gulga pani puri and pochkas." }, { "end_time": "16:05", "start_time": "16:03", "text": "So I lead a very, very simple life." }, { "end_time": "16:06", "start_time": "16:05", "text": "I don't really take anything too seriously." }, { "end_time": "16:08", "start_time": "16:06", "text": "You know, you're the struggling face." }, { "end_time": "16:14", "start_time": "16:08", "text": "I feel like everyone who goes to any kind of struggle, it always gives them one weapon, which they can use for the rest of their life." }, { "end_time": "16:15", "start_time": "16:14", "text": "So what was that weapon for you?" }, { "end_time": "16:18", "start_time": "16:15", "text": "What did your struggling face teach you, which you're still using even today?" }, { "end_time": "16:22", "start_time": "16:18", "text": "I think more than my struggling days, the kind of, childhood I had, it was very adventurous." }, { "end_time": "16:26", "start_time": "16:23", "text": "I saw all kinds of people when I was growing up." }, { "end_time": "16:28", "start_time": "16:27", "text": "And I picked up." }, { "end_time": "16:29", "start_time": "16:28", "text": "I picked up." }, { "end_time": "16:33", "start_time": "16:29", "text": "I picked up a lot from my childhood, which I'm using it in my performances now." }, { "end_time": "16:36", "start_time": "16:33", "text": "I think they of course, that's why the reason they say life is the biggest teacher, especially for an actor." }, { "end_time": "16:47", "start_time": "16:36", "text": "I think if you can observe just yourself properly, how you behave in situations, if you can just recreate that honestly in your performances, that will do a a lot of job of yours as an actor." }, { "end_time": "16:49", "start_time": "16:47", "text": "You put a lot of yourself into your acting." }, { "end_time": "16:49", "start_time": "16:49", "text": "Right?" }, { "end_time": "16:52", "start_time": "16:49", "text": "More than myself, I I now I've started picking up from life." }, { "end_time": "16:54", "start_time": "16:52", "text": "Now, of course, I start thinking like my characters." }, { "end_time": "16:57", "start_time": "16:54", "text": "Not I'm I'm not really trying to portray myself now." }, { "end_time": "17:01", "start_time": "16:57", "text": "Like, the whole, the way I say hello in Bariliki Barfi, like, hello." }, { "end_time": "17:02", "start_time": "17:01", "text": "That's how my brother-in-law speaks." }, { "end_time": "17:07", "start_time": "17:02", "text": "And those apps thing that you've seen in in, made in China." }, { "end_time": "17:12", "start_time": "17:07", "text": "That's the picture my sister sent me some 2 years back of my nephews who were, like, 4 at that time." }, { "end_time": "17:12", "start_time": "17:12", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:16", "start_time": "17:12", "text": "And they were just, my brother just made, like, those 6 pack with a brown sketch pen." }, { "end_time": "17:18", "start_time": "17:16", "text": "And I thought that's that's very fascinating." }, { "end_time": "17:21", "start_time": "17:18", "text": "And then and I kept it with me that I'm gonna use it one day." }, { "end_time": "17:26", "start_time": "17:21", "text": "And then here I got some chance where I could just, you know, make those, 6 pack with that Yeah." }, { "end_time": "17:27", "start_time": "17:26", "text": "Sketch pen." }, { "end_time": "17:29", "start_time": "17:27", "text": "So I I pick up from life also now." }, { "end_time": "17:31", "start_time": "17:29", "text": "So what made you sign this movie?" }, { "end_time": "17:31", "start_time": "17:31", "text": "Made in China?" }, { "end_time": "17:34", "start_time": "17:31", "text": "Like, was that entrepreneurship, magic?" }, { "end_time": "17:35", "start_time": "17:34", "text": "Magic soup." }, { "end_time": "17:39", "start_time": "17:36", "text": "It was, it's an exciting journey of this guy Raghu Mehta." }, { "end_time": "17:43", "start_time": "17:39", "text": "You know, he's a he's a struggling Gujarati businessman, and I could relate to his journey." }, { "end_time": "17:46", "start_time": "17:43", "text": "He's also somebody who's very aspiring, who won't give up easily." }, { "end_time": "17:49", "start_time": "17:47", "text": "Like, he has failed so many times but still attained." }, { "end_time": "17:52", "start_time": "17:49", "text": "So I could relate to him, because he never had a plan b." }, { "end_time": "17:53", "start_time": "17:52", "text": "I never had a plan b." }, { "end_time": "17:57", "start_time": "17:53", "text": "That's the only thing he wants to do in life, and he and he wants to be very successful in that." }, { "end_time": "18:00", "start_time": "17:57", "text": "And that's the only thing I wanted to do in life, to be an actor." }, { "end_time": "18:03", "start_time": "18:01", "text": "And the way I think it's been written, it's very quirky." }, { "end_time": "18:05", "start_time": "18:03", "text": "It's, it's very funny." }, { "end_time": "18:05", "start_time": "18:05", "text": "It's very entertaining." }, { "end_time": "18:10", "start_time": "18:05", "text": "But still, the heart, it's, its heart is at the right place, which is the most important thing." }, { "end_time": "18:14", "start_time": "18:10", "text": "From the trailer, it looks like the movie is about hard work and hustle in a way." }, { "end_time": "18:14", "start_time": "18:14", "text": "Oh, yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:14", "start_time": "18:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:14", "start_time": "18:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:15", "start_time": "18:14", "text": "It is." }, { "end_time": "18:15", "start_time": "18:15", "text": "It is." }, { "end_time": "18:16", "start_time": "18:15", "text": "It is." }, { "end_time": "18:17", "start_time": "18:16", "text": "But in a very entertaining way." }, { "end_time": "18:19", "start_time": "18:17", "text": "Like, it will make you laugh, but it will touch you." }, { "end_time": "18:20", "start_time": "18:19", "text": "It will definitely touch you in the story." }, { "end_time": "18:24", "start_time": "18:20", "text": "And I don't know why at least just talking to you, I feel like this movie is somewhere closer to you than other movies." }, { "end_time": "18:26", "start_time": "18:24", "text": "I know all your movies are close to your heart." }, { "end_time": "18:26", "start_time": "18:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:31", "start_time": "18:26", "text": "This this is, definitely closer because because I really enjoyed, portraying Raghu Mehta on screen." }, { "end_time": "18:38", "start_time": "18:31", "text": "I I had a great time picking up the accent to gain weight and to be somebody else, you know, the whole shift in body language." }, { "end_time": "18:41", "start_time": "18:38", "text": "And the cat just starts talking to you after a few days." }, { "end_time": "18:41", "start_time": "18:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "18:42", "start_time": "18:41", "text": "It will just tell you where to go." }, { "end_time": "18:48", "start_time": "18:42", "text": "It will start guiding you that you should stand like this and you should walk like this, and that's how you're gonna laugh." }, { "end_time": "18:49", "start_time": "18:48", "text": "It just happens with me." }, { "end_time": "18:50", "start_time": "18:49", "text": "I I don't really plan it." }, { "end_time": "18:52", "start_time": "18:50", "text": "It just comes to me naturally." }, { "end_time": "18:54", "start_time": "18:52", "text": "And I I find that so amazing, so magical." }, { "end_time": "19:11", "start_time": "19:08", "text": "It was such a dark movie in a way." }, { "end_time": "19:12", "start_time": "19:11", "text": "There was that one scene." }, { "end_time": "19:13", "start_time": "19:12", "text": "I don't remember the exact thing." }, { "end_time": "19:15", "start_time": "19:13", "text": "I think we are cooking a bird." }, { "end_time": "19:15", "start_time": "19:15", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:16", "start_time": "19:15", "text": "I'm trying to cut that pigeon." }, { "end_time": "19:17", "start_time": "19:16", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:17", "start_time": "19:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "19:19", "start_time": "19:17", "text": "And then I'm, then I'm barbecuing." }, { "end_time": "19:20", "start_time": "19:19", "text": "And you're able to actually do something." }, { "end_time": "19:22", "start_time": "19:20", "text": "You start clapping and all in the middle." }, { "end_time": "19:23", "start_time": "19:22", "text": "It's a very dark scene." }, { "end_time": "19:27", "start_time": "19:23", "text": "Could you elaborate a little bit on that movie and what it did to you as a person in your real life?" }, { "end_time": "19:31", "start_time": "19:29", "text": "It gave me a lot of blackouts while shooting." }, { "end_time": "19:31", "start_time": "19:31", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "19:33", "start_time": "19:32", "text": "It was a great story." }, { "end_time": "19:34", "start_time": "19:33", "text": "I met Vikram Sarabh." }, { "end_time": "19:36", "start_time": "19:34", "text": "I've been a big fan of his work." }, { "end_time": "19:37", "start_time": "19:36", "text": "I always wanted to work with him." }, { "end_time": "19:41", "start_time": "19:37", "text": "So I met him at one of the screenings and he told me that, you know, he's planning this film." }, { "end_time": "19:48", "start_time": "19:41", "text": "He just told me the ones like, one liner that this guy stuck in an apartment without food, water, electricity, and that's the story." }, { "end_time": "19:52", "start_time": "19:48", "text": "I said I'm doing it because I found it so challenging, you know, so fascinating as an actor." }, { "end_time": "19:55", "start_time": "19:52", "text": "I thought there there would be so much to do for me there." }, { "end_time": "19:57", "start_time": "19:55", "text": "It would really challenge me." }, { "end_time": "19:59", "start_time": "19:57", "text": "And on top of that, there was Vikram Motwani." }, { "end_time": "20:02", "start_time": "19:59", "text": "So I thought, you know, it's the best combination I can ever get." }, { "end_time": "20:02", "start_time": "20:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:04", "start_time": "20:02", "text": "And then we started shooting." }, { "end_time": "20:06", "start_time": "20:04", "text": "We started actually, we went in an order." }, { "end_time": "20:09", "start_time": "20:06", "text": "Like, it was very the way it's supposed to be in the film." }, { "end_time": "20:12", "start_time": "20:09", "text": "That's how we were shooting because also I was growing my beard during the process." }, { "end_time": "20:14", "start_time": "20:12", "text": "I was losing weight in the process." }, { "end_time": "20:15", "start_time": "20:14", "text": "Crazy." }, { "end_time": "20:16", "start_time": "20:15", "text": "But I it was great." }, { "end_time": "20:16", "start_time": "20:16", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:24", "start_time": "20:16", "text": "You know, I I know not many people have seen that film, but whoever has seen it, they all say the same thing that it's your best work till date." }, { "end_time": "20:25", "start_time": "20:24", "text": "And that's what I I wanted." }, { "end_time": "20:30", "start_time": "20:25", "text": "I I actually wanted to stay in that house for those 20 days, but the production thought it would be really dangerous." }, { "end_time": "20:31", "start_time": "20:30", "text": "So it would be allowed." }, { "end_time": "20:33", "start_time": "20:31", "text": "I thought, what if something goes wrong?" }, { "end_time": "20:34", "start_time": "20:33", "text": "We don't want to take that responsibility." }, { "end_time": "20:39", "start_time": "20:35", "text": "But that's the film which gave me a chance to really, you know, get deep into it." }, { "end_time": "20:40", "start_time": "20:39", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "20:41", "start_time": "20:40", "text": "I started living Shauria's life." }, { "end_time": "20:43", "start_time": "20:41", "text": "I I stopped eating." }, { "end_time": "20:45", "start_time": "20:43", "text": "I stopped having water." }, { "end_time": "20:48", "start_time": "20:45", "text": "I gave my own blood to the film, and I'm a vegetarian." }, { "end_time": "20:50", "start_time": "20:48", "text": "So Is is this because of dedication?" }, { "end_time": "20:53", "start_time": "20:51", "text": "Like, is this the dedication you have for your craft?" }, { "end_time": "20:56", "start_time": "20:53", "text": "These this is the kind of stories I've heard from the actors that have influenced me now." }, { "end_time": "21:01", "start_time": "20:56", "text": "Like, you know, Daniel Day Lewis and and Robert De Niro, Philip Seymour Hoffman." }, { "end_time": "21:05", "start_time": "21:01", "text": "And I think that's the only fun of being an actor, you know, otherwise and I really can't fake it." }, { "end_time": "21:08", "start_time": "21:05", "text": "I I hate fake things in life also." }, { "end_time": "21:11", "start_time": "21:08", "text": "Like, I can't really hog myself with food and then go and act like I'm so hungry." }, { "end_time": "21:12", "start_time": "21:11", "text": "Oh my god." }, { "end_time": "21:17", "start_time": "21:12", "text": "That actually also makes it so much, like, troublesome that you'll have to act double." }, { "end_time": "21:20", "start_time": "21:17", "text": "It's better to just not eat and then just be yourself." }, { "end_time": "21:20", "start_time": "21:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "21:20", "start_time": "21:20", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "21:21", "start_time": "21:20", "text": "Be the character." }, { "end_time": "21:26", "start_time": "21:21", "text": "If someone asks a normal college kid who's the best actor in the country, a lot of them will name you." }, { "end_time": "21:29", "start_time": "21:26", "text": "So a lot of people consider you like the top actor in the country." }, { "end_time": "21:31", "start_time": "21:29", "text": "You know, you can portray characters really well." }, { "end_time": "21:33", "start_time": "21:32", "text": "I have 2 questions for you." }, { "end_time": "21:35", "start_time": "21:33", "text": "Is this something you've built over time?" }, { "end_time": "21:38", "start_time": "21:35", "text": "And the other question is, do you feel with every film you're getting even better?" }, { "end_time": "21:42", "start_time": "21:38", "text": "Like when athlete gets better when they're playing more, when they're batting more, you become better as a batsman." }, { "end_time": "21:44", "start_time": "21:42", "text": "So do you feel it's something like that for you?" }, { "end_time": "21:45", "start_time": "21:44", "text": "With every film you're getting better?" }, { "end_time": "21:48", "start_time": "21:46", "text": "I I want to I want to grow with every film." }, { "end_time": "21:48", "start_time": "21:48", "text": "That is for sure." }, { "end_time": "21:50", "start_time": "21:48", "text": "That's a conscious effort that I'm Ruin watery?" }, { "end_time": "21:52", "start_time": "21:50", "text": "Trying, like, as an actor." }, { "end_time": "21:52", "start_time": "21:52", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "21:56", "start_time": "21:52", "text": "You know, I want to, and I want I'm challenging myself with every character." }, { "end_time": "22:02", "start_time": "21:56", "text": "Like, whatever next three or four films that you will see, there can be some really simple character, but I want to just push my limits." }, { "end_time": "22:05", "start_time": "22:02", "text": "So I I add something which makes my job very hard." }, { "end_time": "22:09", "start_time": "22:06", "text": "It it gets very tough sometimes, but that's the fun I see." }, { "end_time": "22:10", "start_time": "22:09", "text": "You know?" }, { "end_time": "22:15", "start_time": "22:10", "text": "I just I can't just go and see my lines and come back and look the same and everything." }, { "end_time": "22:15", "start_time": "22:15", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "22:16", "start_time": "22:15", "text": "It it it becomes boring." }, { "end_time": "22:17", "start_time": "22:16", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "22:21", "start_time": "22:17", "text": "I wanna be I wanna feel like a different guy when I'm whenever I'm shooting for a new film." }, { "end_time": "22:23", "start_time": "22:21", "text": "When I'm talking to you, I feel like you really love acting." }, { "end_time": "22:24", "start_time": "22:23", "text": "I do." }, { "end_time": "22:28", "start_time": "22:24", "text": "And you're in this industry for acting because it's the experience that it's giving you on a human level." }, { "end_time": "22:28", "start_time": "22:28", "text": "Oh, absolutely." }, { "end_time": "22:29", "start_time": "22:28", "text": "I I really cherish it." }, { "end_time": "22:33", "start_time": "22:29", "text": "Whenever somebody asked me to act even in an interview, sometimes they say, can you do that?" }, { "end_time": "22:34", "start_time": "22:33", "text": "I I feel so happy." }, { "end_time": "22:36", "start_time": "22:34", "text": "You're having a chance to act again." }, { "end_time": "22:37", "start_time": "22:36", "text": "You were born for this?" }, { "end_time": "22:38", "start_time": "22:37", "text": "I think so." }, { "end_time": "22:39", "start_time": "22:38", "text": "Now when I look back, yeah, I guess." }, { "end_time": "22:42", "start_time": "22:39", "text": "And that's why you probably had those goosebumps when you saw the cell." }, { "end_time": "22:43", "start_time": "22:42", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "22:49", "start_time": "22:43", "text": "Even now even now whenever I'm traveling in my car, if I see some light somewhere, some shoot happening, I'd roll down my window and say, k." }, { "end_time": "22:49", "start_time": "22:49", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "22:49", "start_time": "22:49", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "22:49", "start_time": "22:49", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "22:49", "start_time": "22:49", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "22:49", "start_time": "22:49", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "22:49", "start_time": "22:49", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "22:49", "start_time": "22:49", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "22:49", "start_time": "22:49", "text": "K." }, { "end_time": "22:52", "start_time": "22:49", "text": "And then my teeth said, I'm shooting." }, { "end_time": "22:53", "start_time": "22:52", "text": "I'm not shooting." }, { "end_time": "22:57", "start_time": "22:54", "text": "Sir, but you know, any industry has some downsides also." }, { "end_time": "23:00", "start_time": "22:57", "text": "So what is one thing on a personal level you don't enjoy about the Hindi film industry?" }, { "end_time": "23:02", "start_time": "23:01", "text": "I don't enjoy." }, { "end_time": "23:10", "start_time": "23:04", "text": "Sometimes I think we really judge films on the basis of how much money they've made." }, { "end_time": "23:10", "start_time": "23:10", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "23:12", "start_time": "23:10", "text": "I think that needs to be numbers." }, { "end_time": "23:14", "start_time": "23:12", "text": "Numbers play a big game here." }, { "end_time": "23:17", "start_time": "23:14", "text": "I think that is something which actors shouldn't, you know, worry about." }, { "end_time": "23:18", "start_time": "23:17", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "23:24", "start_time": "23:18", "text": "So I think that's the only thing which I would like to change that, you know, some because when you you know, I say this to everyone." }, { "end_time": "23:26", "start_time": "23:24", "text": "Would you know how much money Godfather has made?" }, { "end_time": "23:27", "start_time": "23:26", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "23:27", "start_time": "23:27", "text": "I don't know." }, { "end_time": "23:28", "start_time": "23:27", "text": "Godfather." }, { "end_time": "23:28", "start_time": "23:28", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:30", "start_time": "23:28", "text": "But but you remember Godfather." }, { "end_time": "23:31", "start_time": "23:30", "text": "You're gonna remember it for the next 100 years." }, { "end_time": "23:31", "start_time": "23:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:31", "start_time": "23:31", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:34", "start_time": "23:31", "text": "So it doesn't matter how much money your affiliate is making at the box office." }, { "end_time": "23:36", "start_time": "23:34", "text": "That's what I always believe in." }, { "end_time": "23:38", "start_time": "23:36", "text": "What's the legacy that you're gonna leave behind?" }, { "end_time": "23:41", "start_time": "23:38", "text": "It's not nobody would remember that Stree has made 130 Karoots." }, { "end_time": "23:42", "start_time": "23:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:48", "start_time": "23:42", "text": "If it's a good one, people would say this Stree was a unique a very it's a cult film because it was one of the first horror comedies." }, { "end_time": "23:49", "start_time": "23:48", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:52", "start_time": "23:49", "text": "Or people would talk about Shahid or trapped, you know." }, { "end_time": "23:53", "start_time": "23:52", "text": "Or made in China." }, { "end_time": "23:54", "start_time": "23:53", "text": "Newton or made in China." }, { "end_time": "23:54", "start_time": "23:54", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "23:56", "start_time": "23:54", "text": "So people so I want to that's how I see it." }, { "end_time": "23:57", "start_time": "23:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:03", "start_time": "23:57", "text": "Saying that, of course, I I want my films to make money because so that we can get more work and we can do make exciting stories." }, { "end_time": "24:09", "start_time": "24:03", "text": "But we shouldn't we should not only judge films on the basis of, you know, how much they're doing at the box office." }, { "end_time": "24:11", "start_time": "24:09", "text": "What's your mental zone like right now for your career?" }, { "end_time": "24:16", "start_time": "24:11", "text": "I understand you enjoy films, but obviously you have to look out for the brand Rajkumar Rao also." }, { "end_time": "24:19", "start_time": "24:16", "text": "I I really don't see any brand Rajkumar Rao." }, { "end_time": "24:20", "start_time": "24:19", "text": "You you focus on your film." }, { "end_time": "24:20", "start_time": "24:20", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:22", "start_time": "24:20", "text": "I'm I'm very bad when it comes to PR." }, { "end_time": "24:26", "start_time": "24:22", "text": "That's the only complaint my PR people have with me that we need you need to buck up." }, { "end_time": "24:27", "start_time": "24:26", "text": "You need to we need to do this." }, { "end_time": "24:30", "start_time": "24:27", "text": "We're gonna do that and I like I'm done with my work." }, { "end_time": "24:31", "start_time": "24:30", "text": "I want to go back home." }, { "end_time": "24:33", "start_time": "24:31", "text": "I want to watch something on television." }, { "end_time": "24:34", "start_time": "24:33", "text": "I want to play with my dog." }, { "end_time": "24:35", "start_time": "24:34", "text": "Do you watch any YouTube?" }, { "end_time": "24:36", "start_time": "24:36", "text": "I do." }, { "end_time": "24:36", "start_time": "24:36", "text": "I do." }, { "end_time": "24:36", "start_time": "24:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:38", "start_time": "24:36", "text": "What what do you enjoy watching?" }, { "end_time": "24:39", "start_time": "24:38", "text": "On YouTube." }, { "end_time": "24:40", "start_time": "24:39", "text": "I I randomly search it." }, { "end_time": "24:40", "start_time": "24:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:44", "start_time": "24:40", "text": "I don't really, not any go to channels." }, { "end_time": "24:46", "start_time": "24:44", "text": "Not Not really any go to channels." }, { "end_time": "24:46", "start_time": "24:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "24:51", "start_time": "24:46", "text": "And in terms of I watch a lot of Ellen Page's interviews and So I'll be a beer by suggest channel." }, { "end_time": "24:51", "start_time": "24:51", "text": "Show." }, { "end_time": "24:52", "start_time": "24:51", "text": "Beer by suggest, of course." }, { "end_time": "24:53", "start_time": "24:52", "text": "Beer by suggest I've seen." }, { "end_time": "24:57", "start_time": "24:55", "text": "But, yeah, I I just whatever comes, like, I just Okay." }, { "end_time": "24:58", "start_time": "24:57", "text": "Cool." }, { "end_time": "24:59", "start_time": "24:58", "text": "I wanna ask you now." }, { "end_time": "25:01", "start_time": "24:59", "text": "You're someone who's genuinely passionate about films." }, { "end_time": "25:03", "start_time": "25:01", "text": "I won't even say you're passionate about Bollywood." }, { "end_time": "25:04", "start_time": "25:03", "text": "You're a passionate actor." }, { "end_time": "25:16", "start_time": "25:04", "text": "So what are 3 films that you suggest to just all young people to watch, which, you know, you feel had an impact on you and can have an impact on them even if they're not getting into the world of acting just for their careers." }, { "end_time": "25:18", "start_time": "25:16", "text": "Rocky, Rocky really inspires me." }, { "end_time": "25:19", "start_time": "25:18", "text": "Big time." }, { "end_time": "25:19", "start_time": "25:19", "text": "Big time." }, { "end_time": "25:19", "start_time": "25:19", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:20", "start_time": "25:19", "text": "Rocky's amazing." }, { "end_time": "25:22", "start_time": "25:21", "text": "Eye of the tiger." }, { "end_time": "25:23", "start_time": "25:22", "text": "Eye of the tiger baby." }, { "end_time": "25:26", "start_time": "25:26", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:27", "start_time": "25:26", "text": "Pursuit of happiness." }, { "end_time": "25:30", "start_time": "25:28", "text": "That's another one." }, { "end_time": "25:34", "start_time": "25:31", "text": "And 3rd actually 2." }, { "end_time": "25:35", "start_time": "25:34", "text": "Life is beautiful." }, { "end_time": "25:40", "start_time": "25:35", "text": "Just because the you know, just the thing that it tells you the message that, you know, you still can be happy." }, { "end_time": "25:40", "start_time": "25:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:42", "start_time": "25:40", "text": "No matter what the conditions are." }, { "end_time": "25:48", "start_time": "25:42", "text": "And Sophie's Choice, though it's a very dark film, but it really had a great impact on me." }, { "end_time": "25:49", "start_time": "25:48", "text": "And what about Hindi films?" }, { "end_time": "25:50", "start_time": "25:49", "text": "Any like, you don't need name 3?" }, { "end_time": "25:51", "start_time": "25:50", "text": "Whatever's coming to your head?" }, { "end_time": "25:55", "start_time": "25:52", "text": "Hindi films, Swadesh I really liked." }, { "end_time": "25:55", "start_time": "25:55", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "25:55", "start_time": "25:55", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "25:56", "start_time": "25:55", "text": "I really liked that film." }, { "end_time": "26:01", "start_time": "25:58", "text": "Shul, Lakshya." }, { "end_time": "26:02", "start_time": "26:01", "text": "Lakshya was very good." }, { "end_time": "26:05", "start_time": "26:04", "text": "And, yeah, maybe Trapped." }, { "end_time": "26:06", "start_time": "26:06", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:10", "start_time": "26:06", "text": "Did you feel connected to that movie, that luck by chance with Faranakhtar?" }, { "end_time": "26:10", "start_time": "26:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:10", "start_time": "26:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:10", "start_time": "26:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:11", "start_time": "26:10", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:13", "start_time": "26:11", "text": "Because I think that phase was right after your start date." }, { "end_time": "26:13", "start_time": "26:13", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:14", "start_time": "26:13", "text": "I just started out." }, { "end_time": "26:14", "start_time": "26:14", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:16", "start_time": "26:14", "text": "In 2009, I think it came." }, { "end_time": "26:17", "start_time": "26:17", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:19", "start_time": "26:17", "text": "I was I was pretty excited seeing that film." }, { "end_time": "26:22", "start_time": "26:19", "text": "And and there was a scene of, you know, Shah Rukhsa was there, Ramesh was there." }, { "end_time": "26:25", "start_time": "26:22", "text": "I was like, oh, wish one day I can just meet them." }, { "end_time": "26:29", "start_time": "26:25", "text": "And, you know, there's this scene at the end of the film where I think Kaunas and Sharma, she's giving a monologue." }, { "end_time": "26:29", "start_time": "26:29", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:30", "start_time": "26:29", "text": "And she says, k, yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:35", "start_time": "26:30", "text": "Maybe I didn't make it big as a film actor, but I'm getting to do acting and making money everyday." }, { "end_time": "26:36", "start_time": "26:35", "text": "Now how much do you relate to that?" }, { "end_time": "26:38", "start_time": "26:36", "text": "Because you're doing that and you're a film actor." }, { "end_time": "26:39", "start_time": "26:38", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "26:41", "start_time": "26:39", "text": "And you're just on the rise of careers on the up." }, { "end_time": "26:41", "start_time": "26:41", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "26:42", "start_time": "26:41", "text": "I can relate to her." }, { "end_time": "26:46", "start_time": "26:42", "text": "Do you look at your life right now and ask her if you have any doubts?" }, { "end_time": "26:48", "start_time": "26:48", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "26:51", "start_time": "26:48", "text": "Honestly, you know, I really don't think about anything." }, { "end_time": "26:51", "start_time": "26:51", "text": "You just work?" }, { "end_time": "26:52", "start_time": "26:51", "text": "I just I just work." }, { "end_time": "26:54", "start_time": "26:52", "text": "I just think about my characters." }, { "end_time": "26:55", "start_time": "26:54", "text": "What I'm doing today." }, { "end_time": "26:56", "start_time": "26:55", "text": "I'm not a futuristic at all." }, { "end_time": "26:58", "start_time": "26:56", "text": "I have no plans what's gonna happen after 5 years." }, { "end_time": "27:01", "start_time": "26:59", "text": "I really think about, like, the next character that I'm doing." }, { "end_time": "27:04", "start_time": "27:01", "text": "That right now, I'm I'm preparing for White Tiger." }, { "end_time": "27:08", "start_time": "27:04", "text": "So all my energy apart from these interviews and and PR things is only there." }, { "end_time": "27:09", "start_time": "27:08", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "27:12", "start_time": "27:09", "text": "I'm I'm constantly thinking about Ashok It's at the back of your head also?" }, { "end_time": "27:13", "start_time": "27:12", "text": "It's the back of my head." }, { "end_time": "27:13", "start_time": "27:13", "text": "Wow." }, { "end_time": "27:14", "start_time": "27:13", "text": "I'm constantly doing that." }, { "end_time": "27:19", "start_time": "27:14", "text": "I'm I'm working on my accent, my, because I need to have some American accent there." }, { "end_time": "27:19", "start_time": "27:19", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "27:20", "start_time": "27:19", "text": "So I'm working on that." }, { "end_time": "27:24", "start_time": "27:21", "text": "So that that's the work that's going on and that's the only thing I think about." }, { "end_time": "27:29", "start_time": "27:24", "text": "I don't really think about what should I do, who's doing what, or what's my brand, what's up is." }, { "end_time": "27:30", "start_time": "27:29", "text": "No." }, { "end_time": "27:34", "start_time": "27:30", "text": "Someone I really look up to personally is Virat Kohli, and Virat Kohli has a theory for all careers." }, { "end_time": "27:41", "start_time": "27:34", "text": "He says that every career is like facing a bowler, but you have to only care about the next ball that you're facing and you play that really well." }, { "end_time": "27:42", "start_time": "27:41", "text": "And that's what actually builds up your career." }, { "end_time": "27:45", "start_time": "27:42", "text": "So I feel unknowingly somebody when you're following that same theory." }, { "end_time": "27:52", "start_time": "27:46", "text": "So, my question to you was, do you look at anyone in modern India who you get inspiration from even today?" }, { "end_time": "27:54", "start_time": "27:52", "text": "Because a lot of people look up to you." }, { "end_time": "27:55", "start_time": "27:54", "text": "So who do you look up to?" }, { "end_time": "27:59", "start_time": "27:56", "text": "In modern India, I I look up to Virat, of course." }, { "end_time": "28:04", "start_time": "28:01", "text": "I look up to, mister Kairaj Sathyarthi." }, { "end_time": "28:07", "start_time": "28:04", "text": "I think that's again a it's a great thing that he's doing." }, { "end_time": "28:12", "start_time": "28:11", "text": "There's so many people." }, { "end_time": "28:14", "start_time": "28:12", "text": "I maybe I don't know them." }, { "end_time": "28:14", "start_time": "28:14", "text": "Sharukkhar?" }, { "end_time": "28:15", "start_time": "28:15", "text": "Know my name." }, { "end_time": "28:16", "start_time": "28:16", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:17", "start_time": "28:16", "text": "That's, of course." }, { "end_time": "28:18", "start_time": "28:17", "text": "The whole world knows that." }, { "end_time": "28:19", "start_time": "28:18", "text": "He's always inspired me." }, { "end_time": "28:20", "start_time": "28:19", "text": "And he's at it, you know." }, { "end_time": "28:23", "start_time": "28:20", "text": "He's still, like, he's still I know he's gonna come back with a bang now." }, { "end_time": "28:24", "start_time": "28:23", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:26", "start_time": "28:25", "text": "And there's so many people now." }, { "end_time": "28:27", "start_time": "28:26", "text": "I just went to Bangalore." }, { "end_time": "28:30", "start_time": "28:27", "text": "I I met so many youngsters there for I went to the Tech Sparks." }, { "end_time": "28:36", "start_time": "28:30", "text": "I met, like, young people who are just starting out and and want they want to be entrepreneurs." }, { "end_time": "28:38", "start_time": "28:36", "text": "It's I mean, this great energy Yeah." }, { "end_time": "28:41", "start_time": "28:38", "text": "You know, especially now this whole digital boom that is happening in our country." }, { "end_time": "28:44", "start_time": "28:42", "text": "Anybody can just achieve their dreams." }, { "end_time": "28:47", "start_time": "28:44", "text": "You don't really have to just think of that I want to act in films or TV." }, { "end_time": "28:50", "start_time": "28:48", "text": "You can do what you want to do." }, { "end_time": "28:58", "start_time": "28:50", "text": "Raj, lot of people look up to you not just as an actor, but just as someone who's followed his passion, made it big, you know, genuinely done what he's loved." }, { "end_time": "29:03", "start_time": "28:58", "text": "What is your message for a lot of people who are struggling to kind of monetize their passion?" }, { "end_time": "29:06", "start_time": "29:03", "text": "They're trying to make money off their passion, but they're not able to." }, { "end_time": "29:08", "start_time": "29:07", "text": "Well, it takes time." }, { "end_time": "29:09", "start_time": "29:08", "text": "Patience." }, { "end_time": "29:09", "start_time": "29:09", "text": "Patience." }, { "end_time": "29:11", "start_time": "29:11", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "29:14", "start_time": "29:12", "text": "But you have to have faith in yourself." }, { "end_time": "29:18", "start_time": "29:14", "text": "You have to have faith in whatever that you wanna do, your talent." }, { "end_time": "29:25", "start_time": "29:18", "text": "And, of course, there will be times there will be people around you who might tell you to do things otherwise, other way, or do something else altogether." }, { "end_time": "29:27", "start_time": "29:25", "text": "But do not listen to them." }, { "end_time": "29:28", "start_time": "29:27", "text": "Just do not give up." }, { "end_time": "29:29", "start_time": "29:28", "text": "Just hang on, buddy." }, { "end_time": "29:30", "start_time": "29:29", "text": "It it it will happen." }, { "end_time": "29:33", "start_time": "29:30", "text": "Just just be as crazy about whatever you wanna do in life." }, { "end_time": "29:34", "start_time": "29:33", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:36", "start_time": "29:34", "text": "And just give all give it whatever you have." }, { "end_time": "29:36", "start_time": "29:36", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "29:38", "start_time": "29:36", "text": "And it will turn out well." }, { "end_time": "29:41", "start_time": "29:38", "text": "I'm sure when you were on the rise, a lot of people were telling you that." }, { "end_time": "29:45", "start_time": "29:42", "text": "So in those moments, what did you tell yourself that kept yourself pumped?" }, { "end_time": "29:47", "start_time": "29:46", "text": "I kept acting." }, { "end_time": "29:49", "start_time": "29:47", "text": "As I said, I I I kept watching great films." }, { "end_time": "29:52", "start_time": "29:49", "text": "I I I used to write my own monologues." }, { "end_time": "29:54", "start_time": "29:52", "text": "I used to prepare them, perform them." }, { "end_time": "29:55", "start_time": "29:54", "text": "You kept working, basically?" }, { "end_time": "29:56", "start_time": "29:55", "text": "I kept working." }, { "end_time": "30:00", "start_time": "29:56", "text": "Maybe I was not making money with that work but at least I was working." }, { "end_time": "30:01", "start_time": "30:00", "text": "I was I was very happy working." }, { "end_time": "30:02", "start_time": "30:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:08", "start_time": "30:02", "text": "And, what do you think is that one trait inside you other than hard work that got you like this far?" }, { "end_time": "30:16", "start_time": "30:12", "text": "I say this also quite often, you know, you need to ask yourself why." }, { "end_time": "30:18", "start_time": "30:16", "text": "Why are you doing what you're doing?" }, { "end_time": "30:22", "start_time": "30:19", "text": "So I think my reasons are are are maybe at the right place." }, { "end_time": "30:26", "start_time": "30:22", "text": "I'm doing it because I feel very passionately about it." }, { "end_time": "30:30", "start_time": "30:26", "text": "I never wanted to be an actor because I wanted to make money or I wanted fame." }, { "end_time": "30:33", "start_time": "30:31", "text": "The reason was always because I genuinely love it." }, { "end_time": "30:36", "start_time": "30:33", "text": "I genuinely feel very passionate passionately about it." }, { "end_time": "30:38", "start_time": "30:36", "text": "So I think you need to have your reasons right." }, { "end_time": "30:41", "start_time": "30:38", "text": "If you want to if you're doing it for money, then of course, make money." }, { "end_time": "30:41", "start_time": "30:41", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:42", "start_time": "30:41", "text": "And do whatever you want to do." }, { "end_time": "30:44", "start_time": "30:42", "text": "Do whatever kind of films you want to do." }, { "end_time": "30:49", "start_time": "30:45", "text": "But then maybe you might not have a really, you know, long career ahead of you." }, { "end_time": "30:51", "start_time": "30:50", "text": "So So do it for the right reason." }, { "end_time": "30:52", "start_time": "30:51", "text": "So I think my reasons are right." }, { "end_time": "30:55", "start_time": "30:52", "text": "I feel you're someone who goes to work, but you don't look at it as work." }, { "end_time": "30:56", "start_time": "30:55", "text": "You look at it as like Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:57", "start_time": "30:56", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "30:57", "start_time": "30:57", "text": "It is." }, { "end_time": "30:58", "start_time": "30:57", "text": "It is not work." }, { "end_time": "31:02", "start_time": "30:58", "text": "What is your opinion on, like, God and, like, the universe and things like that larger than life?" }, { "end_time": "31:03", "start_time": "31:02", "text": "I believe in it." }, { "end_time": "31:05", "start_time": "31:03", "text": "I I believe in universe." }, { "end_time": "31:08", "start_time": "31:05", "text": "I I believe in, I believe in all gods." }, { "end_time": "31:10", "start_time": "31:08", "text": "I think there's definitely supreme power out there." }, { "end_time": "31:13", "start_time": "31:11", "text": "Do you think about it for your career?" }, { "end_time": "31:14", "start_time": "31:14", "text": "I pray." }, { "end_time": "31:15", "start_time": "31:14", "text": "I pray every day." }, { "end_time": "31:16", "start_time": "31:15", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "31:21", "start_time": "31:16", "text": "I I definitely believe that there is somebody out there who's who's who's looking at you." }, { "end_time": "31:22", "start_time": "31:21", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "31:23", "start_time": "31:22", "text": "So I do that." }, { "end_time": "31:28", "start_time": "31:23", "text": "Also gives me you know, it's like you're talking to you you're talking to someone." }, { "end_time": "31:29", "start_time": "31:28", "text": "You can you can just put your heart out." }, { "end_time": "31:33", "start_time": "31:29", "text": "You can just tell whatever you want to say and put it out in the universe." }, { "end_time": "31:33", "start_time": "31:33", "text": "Mhmm." }, { "end_time": "31:34", "start_time": "31:33", "text": "I believe in universe also." }, { "end_time": "31:38", "start_time": "31:34", "text": "I think just give it out to to the universe and Positivity will yeah." }, { "end_time": "31:39", "start_time": "31:38", "text": "Positivity will come back." }, { "end_time": "31:40", "start_time": "31:39", "text": "Definitely." }, { "end_time": "31:42", "start_time": "31:40", "text": "You experienced this in your own career?" }, { "end_time": "31:42", "start_time": "31:42", "text": "I have." }, { "end_time": "31:43", "start_time": "31:42", "text": "I have." }, { "end_time": "31:44", "start_time": "31:43", "text": "Like in what way?" }, { "end_time": "31:48", "start_time": "31:45", "text": "As I said, I I was I was trying not to be negative ever." }, { "end_time": "31:54", "start_time": "31:48", "text": "I was being very positive, and that's the only message I kept giving to the universe that, yeah, it will work out." }, { "end_time": "31:56", "start_time": "31:54", "text": "And my mother as I told you, my mother kept saying it will work out." }, { "end_time": "31:57", "start_time": "31:56", "text": "Don't worry." }, { "end_time": "31:58", "start_time": "31:57", "text": "Just work hard." }, { "end_time": "32:00", "start_time": "31:58", "text": "Just it it's you're gonna make it." }, { "end_time": "32:01", "start_time": "32:00", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:02", "start_time": "32:01", "text": "And that's the only thing I I kept saying." }, { "end_time": "32:03", "start_time": "32:02", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:06", "start_time": "32:03", "text": "How important is your love life at this stage of your life?" }, { "end_time": "32:07", "start_time": "32:06", "text": "It is important." }, { "end_time": "32:08", "start_time": "32:07", "text": "It balances out?" }, { "end_time": "32:09", "start_time": "32:08", "text": "It balances out." }, { "end_time": "32:09", "start_time": "32:09", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "32:09", "start_time": "32:09", "text": "Yes." }, { "end_time": "32:10", "start_time": "32:09", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "32:15", "start_time": "32:10", "text": "And you feel it's important to have both, like, a career and a love life or you need to choose one another?" }, { "end_time": "32:16", "start_time": "32:15", "text": "To find that balance." }, { "end_time": "32:25", "start_time": "32:16", "text": "We really, really can't choose because as I said, you know, of course, work is there, every 13, 14 hours a day, but then you have those another 10 hours." }, { "end_time": "32:25", "start_time": "32:25", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:25", "start_time": "32:25", "text": "And yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:28", "start_time": "32:25", "text": "So you need you need an emotional support as well." }, { "end_time": "32:28", "start_time": "32:28", "text": "Got it." }, { "end_time": "32:29", "start_time": "32:28", "text": "And it helps in your career also." }, { "end_time": "32:30", "start_time": "32:29", "text": "It does." }, { "end_time": "32:30", "start_time": "32:30", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "32:31", "start_time": "32:30", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "32:33", "start_time": "32:31", "text": "So, Rajgong, from you, I've learned hard work." }, { "end_time": "32:39", "start_time": "32:33", "text": "I've learned positivity, and I've learned doing work not for money, but for genuine passion and Money follows." }, { "end_time": "32:40", "start_time": "32:40", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "32:46", "start_time": "32:40", "text": "What's your last piece of advice for someone watching this who wants to become the Rajkumar Rao of their industry?" }, { "end_time": "32:57", "start_time": "32:49", "text": "Oh, I think whatever you just said, there's as we all know, there's no substitute to hard work and just do it for the right reason, man." }, { "end_time": "33:03", "start_time": "32:57", "text": "And just just be more passionate every day in like, about whatever you're doing in your life." }, { "end_time": "33:04", "start_time": "33:03", "text": "Don't let your love die." }, { "end_time": "33:07", "start_time": "33:04", "text": "Don't let your love vanish for for the work." }, { "end_time": "33:07", "start_time": "33:07", "text": "Okay." }, { "end_time": "33:11", "start_time": "33:07", "text": "And finally, what is your message to people who are thinking of watching Made in China?" }, { "end_time": "33:12", "start_time": "33:11", "text": "Why should people go watch this film?" }, { "end_time": "33:13", "start_time": "33:12", "text": "It's a very unique story." }, { "end_time": "33:17", "start_time": "33:13", "text": "It's, it's highly entertaining, and it will touch you somewhere." }, { "end_time": "33:24", "start_time": "33:18", "text": "And if you want to meet some quirky, funny, relatable characters, then Made in China is your family film." }, { "end_time": "33:24", "start_time": "33:24", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:25", "start_time": "33:24", "text": "100%." }, { "end_time": "33:26", "start_time": "33:25", "text": "Anyway, Rajkumar." }, { "end_time": "33:27", "start_time": "33:26", "text": "Thank you, brother." }, { "end_time": "33:28", "start_time": "33:27", "text": "My pleasure." }, { "end_time": "33:29", "start_time": "33:28", "text": "I hope you enjoyed, like, the conversation." }, { "end_time": "33:30", "start_time": "33:29", "text": "I did." }, { "end_time": "33:30", "start_time": "33:30", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "33:33", "start_time": "33:30", "text": "And, again, guys, make sure you go and watch Made in China very soon." }, { "end_time": "33:34", "start_time": "33:33", "text": "It's coming out." }, { "end_time": "33:35", "start_time": "33:34", "text": "25th October." }, { "end_time": "33:35", "start_time": "33:35", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:36", "start_time": "33:35", "text": "Awesome." }, { "end_time": "33:37", "start_time": "33:36", "text": "Good luck for it, man." }, { "end_time": "33:41", "start_time": "33:37", "text": "Like, I'm sure, you know, whenever we see you on any movie poster, we know it's gonna be a good movie." }, { "end_time": "33:41", "start_time": "33:41", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "33:43", "start_time": "33:41", "text": "Because we trust your choice that much." }, { "end_time": "33:45", "start_time": "33:43", "text": "You've built that reputation over time." }, { "end_time": "33:46", "start_time": "33:45", "text": "This one is good for sure." }, { "end_time": "33:46", "start_time": "33:46", "text": "Yeah." }, { "end_time": "33:46", "start_time": "33:46", "text": "We know that." }, { "end_time": "33:49", "start_time": "33:46", "text": "And I can see how much of your heart you've actually put in this one." }, { "end_time": "33:53", "start_time": "33:49", "text": "Like all your movies, but again, this character is very similar to who you are in real life." }, { "end_time": "33:54", "start_time": "33:53", "text": "Okay, Rajwan." }, { "end_time": "33:54", "start_time": "33:54", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "33:54", "start_time": "33:54", "text": "Thank you." }, { "end_time": "33:55", "start_time": "33:54", "text": "Thank you, Ravi." } ] }

[ { "content": "**Task Description:** \nYou are provided with a YouTube video transcript in JSON format, where each entry is synchronized with its respective timestamp. This transcript contains the spoken text along with its start and end times. Your objective is to generate high-quality, chapter-wise segments that accurately represent key points or transitions within the video.\n\n**Transcript JSON Format:** \nThe transcript is formatted as a list of dictionaries, where each dictionary represents a spoken sentence, including its text and corresponding start and end times.\n\n**Example Transcript:** \n```json\n[\n {\n \"text\": \"The narrative in the public eye is that you left working with the Modi government because your opinions weren't heard.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:07\"\n },\n {\n \"text\": \"I want to know your side of the story.\",\n \"start_time\": \"0:08\",\n \"end_time\": \"0:10\"\n },\n ...\n]\n```\n\n**Your Task:** \nUsing the given transcript, generate a JSON output that breaks down the video into meaningful chapters. Each chapter should encapsulate a key segment of the video and be accompanied by a concise, informative title that reflects the essence of that segment.\n\n**Chapter JSON Format:** \nThe output should follow this structure:\n```json\n{\n \"chapters\": [\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:00\",\n \"title\": \"Introduction and Opening Remarks\"\n },\n {\n \"start_time\": \"0:07\",\n \"title\": \"Discussing the Exit from Modi Government\"\n },\n ...\n ]\n}\n```\n\n**Requirements:** \n1. **Identify Key Segments:** Extract significant portions of the transcript that represent shifts in topic, important discussions, or transitions in conversation.\n2. **Craft Informative Titles:** Each chapter title should be clear, engaging, and directly related to the content covered in that segment.\n3. **Preserve Time Stamps:** Ensure that each chapter's `start_time` corresponds to the first instance of a key topic or segment in the transcript.\n4. **Conciseness is Key:** While titles should be descriptive, avoid making them overly lengthy. Aim for a balance between informativeness and brevity.", "role": "system" }, { "content": "{'transcripts': array([{'end_time': '0:01', 'start_time': '0:00', 'text': \"What's good, you guys?\"},\n {'end_time': '0:02', 'start_time': '0:01', 'text': 'Another episode of the Ranveer Show.'},\n {'end_time': '0:08', 'start_time': '0:02', 'text': 'This time featuring who I call the Virat Kohli of the Hindi film industry, Rajkumar Rao.'},\n {'end_time': '0:11', 'start_time': '0:08', 'text': 'Purely built his career on hard work.'},\n {'end_time': '0:13', 'start_time': '0:11', 'text': \"He's seen some very dark, very difficult times.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:16', 'start_time': '0:13', 'text': \"And the best part about this guy is that he doesn't even acknowledge it.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:18', 'start_time': '0:16', 'text': \"He's just having so much fun acting.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:24', 'start_time': '0:18', 'text': \"He's just having so much fun in his hustle that his career is just flying without him even realizing it.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:29', 'start_time': '0:24', 'text': \"In today's podcast, once again, we've dive deep into this man's amazing mind.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:37', 'start_time': '0:29', 'text': 'So if you want some inspiration, if you need some fire to follow your own passion, watch the entire episode till the end.'},\n {'end_time': '0:41', 'start_time': '0:37', 'text': \"It's one of our most fiery inspiring episodes of the Ranveer Show.\"},\n {'end_time': '0:42', 'start_time': '0:41', 'text': 'Enjoy yourselves.'},\n {'end_time': '0:52', 'start_time': '0:50', 'text': 'Welcome to another episode of the Ranveer Show.'},\n {'end_time': '0:58', 'start_time': '0:52', 'text': 'When I was creating this podcast, one of the original episodes I had in mind was the inspirational story of Rajkumar Rao.'},\n {'end_time': '0:59', 'start_time': '0:59', 'text': 'Thank you so much.'},\n {'end_time': '1:00', 'start_time': '0:59', 'text': 'Thank you so much.'},\n {'end_time': '1:02', 'start_time': '1:00', 'text': 'I thank you so much for being on this episode.'},\n {'end_time': '1:03', 'start_time': '1:02', 'text': 'My pleasure.'},\n {'end_time': '1:08', 'start_time': '1:04', 'text': \"Again, I'd if you've seen this show, we go very deep with each of our guests.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:14', 'start_time': '1:08', 'text': \"I want someone to come up to you and tell you that this episode changed their life because let's see.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:19', 'start_time': '1:14', 'text': \"Any, anyone who's like studied your journey knows what you've been through early on in your career.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:23', 'start_time': '1:19', 'text': 'So I actually want to take you even before your early career to your childhood.'},\n {'end_time': '1:25', 'start_time': '1:24', 'text': 'What was your mentality then?'},\n {'end_time': '1:27', 'start_time': '1:25', 'text': 'Because I know you really look up to Shah Rukh Khan.'},\n {'end_time': '1:28', 'start_time': '1:27', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '1:29', 'start_time': '1:29', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '1:29', 'start_time': '1:29', 'text': 'When I was a kid.'},\n {'end_time': '1:30', 'start_time': '1:29', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '1:34', 'start_time': '1:31', 'text': 'So you know I I was good at studies.'},\n {'end_time': '1:35', 'start_time': '1:34', 'text': 'I grew up in a joint family in Gurgaon.'},\n {'end_time': '1:38', 'start_time': '1:35', 'text': \"So it's like some 4 brothers, 2 sisters.\"},\n {'end_time': '1:46', 'start_time': '1:39', 'text': 'And so once I was in class 2nd or 3rd and my brother used to take us we used to go for jocks and runs early in the morning.'},\n {'end_time': '1:49', 'start_time': '1:46', 'text': 'And once we were just going to the stadium called Nehru stadium in Gurgaon.'},\n {'end_time': '1:51', 'start_time': '1:49', 'text': 'And my brother used to elder brother, the eldest one.'},\n {'end_time': '1:55', 'start_time': '1:51', 'text': 'He used to teach us some as a film me fights as we could we all were kids.'},\n {'end_time': '1:57', 'start_time': '1:55', 'text': 'So we used to go, yeah, you.'},\n {'end_time': '1:59', 'start_time': '1:57', 'text': \"And there's this guy sitting there, young guy.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:00', 'start_time': '1:59', 'text': 'He just noticed that.'},\n {'end_time': '2:00', 'start_time': '2:00', 'text': 'He said, k.'},\n {'end_time': '2:02', 'start_time': '2:00', 'text': 'Do you guys do you wanna learn some martial arts?'},\n {'end_time': '2:03', 'start_time': '2:02', 'text': \"We're like, yeah.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:03', 'start_time': '2:03', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '2:03', 'start_time': '2:03', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '2:04', 'start_time': '2:03', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '2:06', 'start_time': '2:04', 'text': 'And he started teaching us taekwondo.'},\n {'end_time': '2:06', 'start_time': '2:06', 'text': 'He was a professional.'},\n {'end_time': '2:07', 'start_time': '2:06', 'text': 'His name is mister Yamin.'},\n {'end_time': '2:09', 'start_time': '2:07', 'text': \"He's my taekwondo coach.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:12', 'start_time': '2:09', 'text': 'And I was the only one who continued for almost 11, 12 years.'},\n {'end_time': '2:14', 'start_time': '2:12', 'text': 'Everybody just, you know, quit.'},\n {'end_time': '2:17', 'start_time': '2:14', 'text': 'And I went on to, like, win some national gold medals and all.'},\n {'end_time': '2:19', 'start_time': '2:17', 'text': 'And then dance came into my life.'},\n {'end_time': '2:22', 'start_time': '2:19', 'text': 'I think somewhere through him, somewhere through my dance teachers, in my school.'},\n {'end_time': '2:26', 'start_time': '2:22', 'text': 'So I started enjoying doing these different things apart from studies also.'},\n {'end_time': '2:36', 'start_time': '2:26', 'text': 'I was I started getting attention, you know, a lot of attention in school and this guy dances well and, this guy is is in martial arts and then acting just happened in class 9, 10th.'},\n {'end_time': '2:40', 'start_time': '2:37', 'text': 'We had this tradition that we used to watch 2, 3 films every weekend.'},\n {'end_time': '2:42', 'start_time': '2:40', 'text': 'The whole family would watch.'},\n {'end_time': '2:43', 'start_time': '2:42', 'text': 'And I would get deeply involved.'},\n {'end_time': '2:51', 'start_time': '2:43', 'text': 'And when I saw Agneepath, when Amajee dies in Agneepath, Vijay, you know, Ajahn, I remember just howling under my pillow that how can Amitabh Bachchan die, man?'},\n {'end_time': '2:52', 'start_time': '2:51', 'text': \"He's Amitabh Bachchan.\"},\n {'end_time': '2:53', 'start_time': '2:52', 'text': 'I got so involved.'},\n {'end_time': '2:57', 'start_time': '2:53', 'text': 'It was so believable for me that I was praying to God that please, you know, let him come back.'},\n {'end_time': '2:59', 'start_time': '2:57', 'text': 'Please, please make him alive.'},\n {'end_time': '3:02', 'start_time': '2:59', 'text': 'So I was very, very moved by by watching these great stories.'},\n {'end_time': '3:05', 'start_time': '3:02', 'text': 'And I since then, I think I I was very influenced that I want to do this.'},\n {'end_time': '3:07', 'start_time': '3:05', 'text': 'I wanna be a part of these guys.'},\n {'end_time': '3:13', 'start_time': '3:07', 'text': \"Whenever I would see, like, once there was this, we got to know there's a shoot happening in Gurgaon, like, somebody really outskirts.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:16', 'start_time': '3:13', 'text': 'And we all went there as kids, like, on our cycles.'},\n {'end_time': '3:18', 'start_time': '3:16', 'text': 'And some action sequence were going on.'},\n {'end_time': '3:19', 'start_time': '3:18', 'text': 'I think it was some Dino Moria film.'},\n {'end_time': '3:26', 'start_time': '3:19', 'text': \"Of course, we couldn't see Dinomoria, but we were just so I was just so fascinated with all those lights and people screaming, yeah.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:26', 'start_time': '3:26', 'text': \"It's called a Usla.\"},\n {'end_time': '3:27', 'start_time': '3:26', 'text': 'Oh, Rala.'},\n {'end_time': '3:27', 'start_time': '3:27', 'text': 'Rala.'},\n {'end_time': '3:27', 'start_time': '3:27', 'text': 'Rala.'},\n {'end_time': '3:28', 'start_time': '3:27', 'text': 'And like, wow.'},\n {'end_time': '3:30', 'start_time': '3:28', 'text': 'I wanna be in this world, man.'},\n {'end_time': '3:32', 'start_time': '3:30', 'text': 'Did you feel internally drawn?'},\n {'end_time': '3:32', 'start_time': '3:32', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '3:32', 'start_time': '3:32', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '3:32', 'start_time': '3:32', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '3:34', 'start_time': '3:32', 'text': 'The whole goosebump thing happened with me.'},\n {'end_time': '3:42', 'start_time': '3:39', 'text': 'And then I, then of course I got conned in Delhi.'},\n {'end_time': '3:46', 'start_time': '3:43', 'text': 'Somebody just took 10,000 rupees from me for for nothing.'},\n {'end_time': '3:46', 'start_time': '3:46', 'text': 'I was in class.'},\n {'end_time': '3:47', 'start_time': '3:46', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '3:47', 'start_time': '3:47', 'text': '10th.'},\n {'end_time': '3:50', 'start_time': '3:47', 'text': 'And I read in newspaper some Zee TV serial.'},\n {'end_time': '3:53', 'start_time': '3:50', 'text': 'I had no idea about, you know, what is the difference between television or or films.'},\n {'end_time': '3:58', 'start_time': '3:54', 'text': 'So I went there and then he made some Filmy portfolio of mine and said, k.'},\n {'end_time': '3:59', 'start_time': '3:58', 'text': 'Then I got a call also.'},\n {'end_time': '4:00', 'start_time': '3:59', 'text': 'You got selected and I was like, woah.'},\n {'end_time': '4:01', 'start_time': '4:00', 'text': 'I got set, man.'},\n {'end_time': '4:04', 'start_time': '4:03', 'text': 'And then I went there again.'},\n {'end_time': '4:05', 'start_time': '4:04', 'text': 'The office was not there.'},\n {'end_time': '4:07', 'start_time': '4:05', 'text': \"Exactly like how, you know, and that's.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:09', 'start_time': '4:08', 'text': 'You know, my moods are seen.'},\n {'end_time': '4:11', 'start_time': '4:09', 'text': 'Same way.'},\n {'end_time': '4:24', 'start_time': '4:14', 'text': \"But then I said kid it's fine you know but this is something I want to do then I started doing theater in Delhi, for 2 years and 3 years during my graduation then luckily FDI acting course restarted.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:30', 'start_time': '4:24', 'text': 'So I applied there after my graduation I I I got through And then FDI film school just changed my life.'},\n {'end_time': '4:35', 'start_time': '4:30', 'text': 'That just opened the whole perception of my whole perception of acting change for me.'},\n {'end_time': '4:40', 'start_time': '4:35', 'text': 'Is it is it fair to say, like, that you do want to become, say, the next Shah Rukh Khan?'},\n {'end_time': '4:43', 'start_time': '4:40', 'text': \"I know you're going to become the first Rajkumar Rao, but somewhere in your heart No.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:44', 'start_time': '4:43', 'text': 'I know.'},\n {'end_time': '4:44', 'start_time': '4:44', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '4:45', 'start_time': '4:44', 'text': \"I I don't think so.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:47', 'start_time': '4:45', 'text': \"I really I've stopped thinking like that.\"},\n {'end_time': '4:47', 'start_time': '4:47', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '4:48', 'start_time': '4:47', 'text': 'But you say so too there.'},\n {'end_time': '4:49', 'start_time': '4:48', 'text': 'Of course.'},\n {'end_time': '4:52', 'start_time': '4:49', 'text': 'When I was growing up as a kid, I was full Shah Rukh Khan.'},\n {'end_time': '4:54', 'start_time': '4:52', 'text': 'I used to watch Mob, but they were not even Shah Rukh Khan.'},\n {'end_time': '4:57', 'start_time': '4:54', 'text': 'I think everybody whatever film I would watch, I would become that character for 2 weeks.'},\n {'end_time': '5:01', 'start_time': '4:57', 'text': 'Did you see any actor and think to yourself, I want to reach somewhere where he has reached?'},\n {'end_time': '5:03', 'start_time': '5:01', 'text': 'He inspired me a lot.'},\n {'end_time': '5:03', 'start_time': '5:03', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '5:05', 'start_time': '5:03', 'text': 'Because I could connect to his journey.'},\n {'end_time': '5:06', 'start_time': '5:05', 'text': \"He's also from Delhi.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:07', 'start_time': '5:06', 'text': 'He used to do theater.'},\n {'end_time': '5:10', 'start_time': '5:07', 'text': \"So I thought if and he's like my I really love him.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:11', 'start_time': '5:10', 'text': 'I I adore him.'},\n {'end_time': '5:11', 'start_time': '5:11', 'text': 'Like all of us.'},\n {'end_time': '5:12', 'start_time': '5:11', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '5:13', 'start_time': '5:12', 'text': 'Like all of us.'},\n {'end_time': '5:13', 'start_time': '5:13', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '5:16', 'start_time': '5:13', 'text': \"So I thought, you know, when he can make it, why can't I make it?\"},\n {'end_time': '5:16', 'start_time': '5:16', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '5:17', 'start_time': '5:16', 'text': 'I can also make it.'},\n {'end_time': '5:20', 'start_time': '5:17', 'text': 'But So he really inspired me to to really try harder.'},\n {'end_time': '5:22', 'start_time': '5:20', 'text': 'What was that moment for you in Gurgaon?'},\n {'end_time': '5:28', 'start_time': '5:24', 'text': \"So this ZTV thing happened and then I I decided, it's fine.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:30', 'start_time': '5:28', 'text': \"It didn't work out here, but I wanna go to Bombay.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:31', 'start_time': '5:30', 'text': 'I I want to see that city.'},\n {'end_time': '5:34', 'start_time': '5:31', 'text': 'I want to, you know, at least start from somewhere.'},\n {'end_time': '5:37', 'start_time': '5:34', 'text': 'So I came to actually to give audition for Boogie Woogie with my younger brother.'},\n {'end_time': '5:38', 'start_time': '5:37', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '5:39', 'start_time': '5:38', 'text': 'We came in the train.'},\n {'end_time': '5:41', 'start_time': '5:39', 'text': 'It took us around 2 and a half, 3 days at that time.'},\n {'end_time': '5:44', 'start_time': '5:41', 'text': \"And we were like I'm from, like, a middle class family, you know, just managing.\"},\n {'end_time': '5:46', 'start_time': '5:45', 'text': 'So somehow we reached here.'},\n {'end_time': '5:50', 'start_time': '5:46', 'text': 'He is I was in class 11th, and he is, 3 years younger than me.'},\n {'end_time': '5:57', 'start_time': '5:50', 'text': \"So we both came to this city, and I would just we give the audition luckily or unluckily I, you know, they didn't select me.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:00', 'start_time': '5:58', 'text': 'But I was just so fascinated with the city.'},\n {'end_time': '6:01', 'start_time': '6:00', 'text': 'We were just walking.'},\n {'end_time': '6:01', 'start_time': '6:01', 'text': \"We didn't have money.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:07', 'start_time': '6:01', 'text': 'We were stay sleeping at the station for 2 nights, and I was just standing outside Manat for hours.'},\n {'end_time': '6:07', 'start_time': '6:07', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '6:11', 'start_time': '6:07', 'text': \"Just to have a glimpse of, you know, the guy I'm so much in love with.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:15', 'start_time': '6:11', 'text': 'Like, but that then I, of course, then I went back.'},\n {'end_time': '6:18', 'start_time': '6:15', 'text': 'And then after 12th, I joined series, like, a theater group in Delhi, Shiram Center.'},\n {'end_time': '6:19', 'start_time': '6:18', 'text': 'I wanna stop you.'},\n {'end_time': '6:26', 'start_time': '6:19', 'text': \"How do you feel now when you're in the same room as people like that and, you know, you're spoken about as a category a Bollywood star?\"},\n {'end_time': '6:31', 'start_time': '6:26', 'text': \"Now, you know, it's it's strange because, of course, first time when I met him, it was very surreal for me.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:32', 'start_time': '6:31', 'text': 'I stood out for this van.'},\n {'end_time': '6:34', 'start_time': '6:32', 'text': 'I sent a message to Shakhun.'},\n {'end_time': '6:37', 'start_time': '6:34', 'text': 'He was shooting an ad with him that, you know, I wanna I would love to meet him.'},\n {'end_time': '6:38', 'start_time': '6:37', 'text': \"I'm a big fan.\"},\n {'end_time': '6:40', 'start_time': '6:38', 'text': 'So he met me so nicely.'},\n {'end_time': '6:44', 'start_time': '6:40', 'text': 'Like, all my you know, they always say you should never meet your mentor, your idol.'},\n {'end_time': '6:46', 'start_time': '6:44', 'text': 'But in this case, it was absolutely absolutely opposite.'},\n {'end_time': '6:48', 'start_time': '6:46', 'text': 'What did you learn from him?'},\n {'end_time': '6:52', 'start_time': '6:48', 'text': 'His humility, how he makes you feel so special, how he knows everything about you.'},\n {'end_time': '6:59', 'start_time': '6:52', 'text': 'And so that I was just amazed that how can someone be so grounded and and and can just charm you Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '7:01', 'start_time': '6:59', 'text': 'Just by his just by meeting you.'},\n {'end_time': '7:02', 'start_time': '7:01', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '7:04', 'start_time': '7:02', 'text': 'But not by not being anything special, not being anything extra.'},\n {'end_time': '7:05', 'start_time': '7:04', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '7:07', 'start_time': '7:05', 'text': 'I became a bigger fan after that.'},\n {'end_time': '7:07', 'start_time': '7:07', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '7:12', 'start_time': '7:08', 'text': 'Now, of course, we we are close, you know, close as in, like, I I know that I can send him a message.'},\n {'end_time': '7:13', 'start_time': '7:12', 'text': 'I know that I can call him.'},\n {'end_time': '7:16', 'start_time': '7:14', 'text': 'I get a call from him also sometimes.'},\n {'end_time': '7:17', 'start_time': '7:16', 'text': \"So it's it's great.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:17', 'start_time': '7:17', 'text': \"It's surreal.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:18', 'start_time': '7:17', 'text': \"It's still surreal.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:24', 'start_time': '7:19', 'text': \"But now I think I've I've reached, that state that I know that, you know, he is he's somebody I I I have access to.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:27', 'start_time': '7:24', 'text': \"I can I can reach out to whenever I'm in trouble?\"},\n {'end_time': '7:27', 'start_time': '7:27', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '7:31', 'start_time': '7:27', 'text': \"I personally look at Shahrukh Khan as kind of an entrepreneur, and that's what you're doing in made in China.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:32', 'start_time': '7:31', 'text': \"You're playing an entrepreneur.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:32', 'start_time': '7:32', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '7:37', 'start_time': '7:32', 'text': 'And I also heard you saying in one of your interviews that your acting is kind of like entrepreneurship.'},\n {'end_time': '7:37', 'start_time': '7:37', 'text': 'Actors.'},\n {'end_time': '7:38', 'start_time': '7:37', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '7:44', 'start_time': '7:38', 'text': \"Like, you know, when you're beginning, when you're just starting out, like, as entrepreneur, startup guys, you try and sell your ideas.\"},\n {'end_time': '7:45', 'start_time': '7:44', 'text': 'You try and sell your your product.'},\n {'end_time': '7:46', 'start_time': '7:45', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '7:48', 'start_time': '7:46', 'text': 'Same like us, you know, we go to different audition.'},\n {'end_time': '7:49', 'start_time': '7:48', 'text': 'We try and sell ourselves.'},\n {'end_time': '7:51', 'start_time': '7:49', 'text': 'We try and sell the best version of ourselves.'},\n {'end_time': '7:55', 'start_time': '7:51', 'text': 'We try and sell our talent, you know, so that somebody out there can invest in us.'},\n {'end_time': '7:55', 'start_time': '7:55', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '7:56', 'start_time': '7:55', 'text': \"So it's the same thing.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:00', 'start_time': '7:56', 'text': \"In a way, it's the same thing, you know, here you're selling something which is of your own.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:03', 'start_time': '8:00', 'text': \"And as an entrepreneur, you're selling a different product, a different commodity.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:04', 'start_time': '8:03', 'text': 'Crazy.'},\n {'end_time': '8:07', 'start_time': '8:04', 'text': 'I want to take you to the actual struggling phase, the auditions.'},\n {'end_time': '8:08', 'start_time': '8:07', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '8:08', 'start_time': '8:08', 'text': 'Auditions, man.'},\n {'end_time': '8:09', 'start_time': '8:08', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '8:10', 'start_time': '8:09', 'text': 'Was it a dark time for you?'},\n {'end_time': '8:11', 'start_time': '8:10', 'text': 'Not dark.'},\n {'end_time': '8:12', 'start_time': '8:11', 'text': 'I really enjoyed it.'},\n {'end_time': '8:13', 'start_time': '8:12', 'text': 'I was so happy coming to the city.'},\n {'end_time': '8:21', 'start_time': '8:13', 'text': 'You know, after after FTI, I came here on 17th February 2008 on my bike, which I used to drive, like, ride in On your bike?'},\n {'end_time': '8:21', 'start_time': '8:21', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '8:23', 'start_time': '8:21', 'text': 'But have you drove from Gurgaon?'},\n {'end_time': '8:23', 'start_time': '8:23', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '8:23', 'start_time': '8:23', 'text': 'From Pune.'},\n {'end_time': '8:24', 'start_time': '8:23', 'text': 'Oh.'},\n {'end_time': '8:26', 'start_time': '8:24', 'text': 'So I got my bike and train from Delhi to Pune.'},\n {'end_time': '8:26', 'start_time': '8:26', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '8:29', 'start_time': '8:26', 'text': 'And from Pune to Bombay, I I I came here on my bike.'},\n {'end_time': '8:32', 'start_time': '8:29', 'text': 'I used to travel like, ride that bike for almost 4 years.'},\n {'end_time': '8:34', 'start_time': '8:32', 'text': 'I I I was on that used I used that bike.'},\n {'end_time': '8:35', 'start_time': '8:35', 'text': 'Abhi Kornji.'},\n {'end_time': '8:38', 'start_time': '8:36', 'text': \"Abhi, it's a q 7 and a Mercedes.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:39', 'start_time': '8:38', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '8:40', 'start_time': '8:39', 'text': \"But let's come back to your audition.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:40', 'start_time': '8:40', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '8:48', 'start_time': '8:41', 'text': \"So it was great great just to be here and to and, you know, start living your dream that, you know, I you're really close to your dream Yeah.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:50', 'start_time': '8:49', 'text': 'Of to become this film actor.'},\n {'end_time': '8:52', 'start_time': '8:50', 'text': 'You always I always wanted to act in films.'},\n {'end_time': '8:54', 'start_time': '8:52', 'text': \"I like, at least I'm here now, you know.\"},\n {'end_time': '8:56', 'start_time': '8:54', 'text': 'Exam hall.'},\n {'end_time': '9:04', 'start_time': '8:56', 'text': 'But, my only thing was that I had to I made sure that I meet at least one person every day.'},\n {'end_time': '9:08', 'start_time': '9:04', 'text': \"If not, I can't really sit at home in Mumbai and do for work.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:09', 'start_time': '9:09', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '9:11', 'start_time': '9:09', 'text': \"I And that's helped you actually in your career?\"},\n {'end_time': '9:11', 'start_time': '9:11', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '9:12', 'start_time': '9:11', 'text': 'Of course.'},\n {'end_time': '9:13', 'start_time': '9:12', 'text': 'I I came here with a showreel.'},\n {'end_time': '9:26', 'start_time': '9:13', 'text': 'I made this, like, a 5 minute showreel where I I put everything of mine from FTI days, my dance, my martial arts acting portion, my short films, plays, my portfolios, really weird portfolios now when I look back.'},\n {'end_time': '9:30', 'start_time': '9:27', 'text': 'But I was trying to show that port showreel to everyone, whoever I can.'},\n {'end_time': '9:32', 'start_time': '9:30', 'text': 'But luckily, they were casting directors by then.'},\n {'end_time': '9:32', 'start_time': '9:32', 'text': 'Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '9:35', 'start_time': '9:32', 'text': 'So, you know, at least you have someone to reach out to, someone to meet.'},\n {'end_time': '9:38', 'start_time': '9:36', 'text': 'So I was trying to meet a lot of people, trying to show them my showreel.'},\n {'end_time': '9:43', 'start_time': '9:39', 'text': 'But for one and a half, 2 years, like, they would they would like it.'},\n {'end_time': '9:48', 'start_time': '9:43', 'text': \"They would call me for for audition, but they would say, you know, there's this really one scene part.\"},\n {'end_time': '9:51', 'start_time': '9:48', 'text': 'Do that or maybe just a very passing shot, which I did also.'},\n {'end_time': '9:55', 'start_time': '9:51', 'text': 'Like, I I did one ad where there were some 50 people and I was one of them.'},\n {'end_time': '10:00', 'start_time': '9:56', 'text': 'My but the first audition that I gave in Mumbai was on 3rd March.'},\n {'end_time': '10:01', 'start_time': '10:00', 'text': 'I still remember the date.'},\n {'end_time': '10:02', 'start_time': '10:01', 'text': 'And I cracked that audition.'},\n {'end_time': '10:04', 'start_time': '10:02', 'text': 'It was an ad audition for HDFC Bank.'},\n {'end_time': '10:12', 'start_time': '10:05', 'text': 'I was supposed to play some petrol, like, some someone on the petrol at the petrol pump station, and I I got it.'},\n {'end_time': '10:13', 'start_time': '10:12', 'text': 'I was like, this city loves me.'},\n {'end_time': '10:14', 'start_time': '10:13', 'text': '1st audition, I got it.'},\n {'end_time': '10:17', 'start_time': '10:14', 'text': 'And after that, of course, 1 and a half, 2 year, there was nothing.'},\n {'end_time': '10:17', 'start_time': '10:17', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '10:19', 'start_time': '10:18', 'text': 'But people were very, very helpful.'},\n {'end_time': '10:20', 'start_time': '10:19', 'text': 'People who were were positive.'},\n {'end_time': '10:23', 'start_time': '10:20', 'text': 'In those 2 years, did you have a positive mindset?'},\n {'end_time': '10:24', 'start_time': '10:23', 'text': 'I have.'},\n {'end_time': '10:24', 'start_time': '10:24', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '10:25', 'start_time': '10:24', 'text': 'I had.'},\n {'end_time': '10:25', 'start_time': '10:25', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '10:26', 'start_time': '10:25', 'text': 'I I had a full positive mindset.'},\n {'end_time': '10:28', 'start_time': '10:26', 'text': 'Also, my mother really supported me.'},\n {'end_time': '10:30', 'start_time': '10:28', 'text': 'Like, What did she tell you?'},\n {'end_time': '10:31', 'start_time': '10:30', 'text': 'She would just tell me just be at it.'},\n {'end_time': '10:32', 'start_time': '10:31', 'text': 'You know, work hard.'},\n {'end_time': '10:33', 'start_time': '10:32', 'text': \"You're gonna make it.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:33', 'start_time': '10:33', 'text': \"I don't know.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:34', 'start_time': '10:33', 'text': 'She must have seen something.'},\n {'end_time': '10:35', 'start_time': '10:34', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '10:37', 'start_time': '10:35', 'text': 'She she was just always there for me.'},\n {'end_time': '10:39', 'start_time': '10:37', 'text': 'Did you believe in yourself at that point?'},\n {'end_time': '10:40', 'start_time': '10:39', 'text': 'I I did believe in myself.'},\n {'end_time': '10:42', 'start_time': '10:40', 'text': 'I was I was very positive.'},\n {'end_time': '10:44', 'start_time': '10:42', 'text': \"I'm, my blood group is also b positive.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:46', 'start_time': '10:44', 'text': 'So So I was I was pretty sure it would work out.'},\n {'end_time': '10:49', 'start_time': '10:46', 'text': \"Maybe it might take some time, but I don't know.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:51', 'start_time': '10:49', 'text': 'I I was not sure how long would I go.'},\n {'end_time': '10:51', 'start_time': '10:51', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '10:53', 'start_time': '10:51', 'text': \"But I was sure that I'm gonna get into it.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:55', 'start_time': '10:54', 'text': \"I'm gonna get some some work.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:57', 'start_time': '10:55', 'text': \"I'm gonna I'm gonna act in films.\"},\n {'end_time': '10:57', 'start_time': '10:57', 'text': 'Crazy.'},\n {'end_time': '11:04', 'start_time': '10:57', 'text': 'I used to, like, roam around on my bike with some a parlejika packet and a fruity or or a Coke because, you know, times were hard.'},\n {'end_time': '11:05', 'start_time': '11:04', 'text': 'There was not really too much money.'},\n {'end_time': '11:14', 'start_time': '11:05', 'text': 'And they would at one point of time, I was living with a friend of mine and I had some, I think, 18 rupees in my account and he had some 23 rupees in his account.'},\n {'end_time': '11:15', 'start_time': '11:14', 'text': \"It's like, oh, man.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:17', 'start_time': '11:15', 'text': 'What what we gonna do about the dinner today?'},\n {'end_time': '11:21', 'start_time': '11:17', 'text': 'So we called another friend of ours and then we asked him, you know, can we come and share your meal?'},\n {'end_time': '11:21', 'start_time': '11:21', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '11:24', 'start_time': '11:21', 'text': 'So we have seen those times, but but with a happy face.'},\n {'end_time': '11:26', 'start_time': '11:24', 'text': \"We never thought that, you know, it's gonna it's getting tougher.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:28', 'start_time': '11:26', 'text': 'Maybe we should try something else.'},\n {'end_time': '11:32', 'start_time': '11:28', 'text': \"There were a couple of people around me who told me that why don't you try television, you know.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:34', 'start_time': '11:32', 'text': 'It it it it might be easy.'},\n {'end_time': '11:36', 'start_time': '11:34', 'text': \"I'm sure it even that's not easy.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:40', 'start_time': '11:36', 'text': 'But I I never wanted to do anything else apart from films.'},\n {'end_time': '11:40', 'start_time': '11:40', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '11:43', 'start_time': '11:41', 'text': 'Through this whole struggle phase, what was your lowest point?'},\n {'end_time': '11:46', 'start_time': '11:43', 'text': 'What was the point where you were almost about to break?'},\n {'end_time': '11:49', 'start_time': '11:47', 'text': 'Whenever there was no money.'},\n {'end_time': '11:49', 'start_time': '11:49', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '11:53', 'start_time': '11:49', 'text': 'And and that happened quite a lot when you feel that, oh, suddenly shit.'},\n {'end_time': '11:54', 'start_time': '11:53', 'text': \"There's no money in my account.\"},\n {'end_time': '11:55', 'start_time': '11:54', 'text': 'But then you have friends.'},\n {'end_time': '11:59', 'start_time': '11:55', 'text': 'I think FTI is a big community and we all really love each other.'},\n {'end_time': '12:05', 'start_time': '11:59', 'text': 'You know, anybody from FTI up, if you ask him or ask him or ask him best time, they would say FTI.'},\n {'end_time': '12:08', 'start_time': '12:05', 'text': 'Being in FTI is the best time of their lives.'},\n {'end_time': '12:09', 'start_time': '12:08', 'text': 'So I think I used to call.'},\n {'end_time': '12:11', 'start_time': '12:09', 'text': 'They were friends everywhere.'},\n {'end_time': '12:14', 'start_time': '12:11', 'text': 'So I would go and meet them and and share a meal with them.'},\n {'end_time': '12:23', 'start_time': '12:14', 'text': \"But one thing which I kept doing which made me really happy was which I tell all the actors out there who are trying to, you know, make it big that don't just sit at home doing nothing.\"},\n {'end_time': '12:27', 'start_time': '12:24', 'text': 'What I used to do is because I I I wanted to act every day of my life.'},\n {'end_time': '12:29', 'start_time': '12:27', 'text': 'I still want to act every day of my life.'},\n {'end_time': '12:35', 'start_time': '12:29', 'text': 'So we, 3, 4 of, like, friends of mine, we would just get together and we would do some scene work, some improvisation work.'},\n {'end_time': '12:37', 'start_time': '12:36', 'text': 'And that would give us so much of happiness.'},\n {'end_time': '12:38', 'start_time': '12:37', 'text': 'Trust me.'},\n {'end_time': '12:40', 'start_time': '12:38', 'text': 'That would make us feel like a life.'},\n {'end_time': '12:42', 'start_time': '12:40', 'text': 'Something worth your time.'},\n {'end_time': '12:43', 'start_time': '12:42', 'text': 'You kept your mind busy always.'},\n {'end_time': '12:44', 'start_time': '12:43', 'text': 'I kept your mind very busy.'},\n {'end_time': '12:52', 'start_time': '12:44', 'text': 'I never really, and luckily I was not into anything wrong like alcohol, smoking, drugs, nothing.'},\n {'end_time': '12:53', 'start_time': '12:52', 'text': 'Have you seen people go down because of that?'},\n {'end_time': '13:00', 'start_time': '12:55', 'text': \"Maybe not go down, but I but I've seen people that, you know, taking taking it little lightly.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:03', 'start_time': '13:01', 'text': 'Like the careers are lightly and doing this?'},\n {'end_time': '13:10', 'start_time': '13:04', 'text': \"I won't say, like, career light career lightly, but maybe they could have worked more harder Got it.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:11', 'start_time': '13:10', 'text': 'Than what they have done.'},\n {'end_time': '13:15', 'start_time': '13:11', 'text': \"What is what is, like, the core trait in you that's actually got you this far?\"},\n {'end_time': '13:18', 'start_time': '13:15', 'text': \"Would you say that it's this thing of keeping yourself busy always?\"},\n {'end_time': '13:21', 'start_time': '13:19', 'text': 'I was really hard working when I was in Delhi.'},\n {'end_time': '13:25', 'start_time': '13:21', 'text': 'I used to cycle from Gurgaon to Delhi almost 70 kilometers up and down.'},\n {'end_time': '13:29', 'start_time': '13:25', 'text': \"So I know if I have to be somewhere, I'm ready to really push myself.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:30', 'start_time': '13:29', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '13:36', 'start_time': '13:30', 'text': \"I can maybe I I can't be the most talented, but I can be I can work really hard.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:36', 'start_time': '13:36', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '13:37', 'start_time': '13:36', 'text': 'That I can work hardest.'},\n {'end_time': '13:37', 'start_time': '13:37', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '13:39', 'start_time': '13:37', 'text': 'So that is something which really kept me going.'},\n {'end_time': '13:41', 'start_time': '13:39', 'text': 'What was your financial turning point?'},\n {'end_time': '13:43', 'start_time': '13:41', 'text': 'Like, what was the point where money became a little easier?'},\n {'end_time': '13:52', 'start_time': '13:46', 'text': 'So first thing happened in 2010, LSD, for which I got paid, 11,000 rupees, which was nothing, actually.'},\n {'end_time': '13:56', 'start_time': '13:52', 'text': 'Then I did Ragnew MS for which I got paid around 1 lakh rupees, and I thought 1 lakh?'},\n {'end_time': '13:58', 'start_time': '13:56', 'text': \"I'm gonna have 1 lakh rupees in my account.\"},\n {'end_time': '13:59', 'start_time': '13:58', 'text': \"That's huge.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:04', 'start_time': '14:00', 'text': 'And then I think since after that, I was I was just working constantly.'},\n {'end_time': '14:09', 'start_time': '14:04', 'text': 'I was doing a lot of, like, supporting parts in a lot of films, Gangs of Wassepur, Shaitan, Talaz.'},\n {'end_time': '14:12', 'start_time': '14:10', 'text': 'And I was getting paid decent amount.'},\n {'end_time': '14:14', 'start_time': '14:12', 'text': \"I'm, like, 2 lakhs, 3 lakhs, 4 lakhs.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:17', 'start_time': '14:15', 'text': 'So after that, I think I was surviving.'},\n {'end_time': '14:24', 'start_time': '14:18', 'text': 'But then the turning point happened maybe, in 2016, I think, when, after.'},\n {'end_time': '14:25', 'start_time': '14:25', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '14:26', 'start_time': '14:25', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '14:29', 'start_time': '14:26', 'text': 'And how did it change things for you financially, madam, in your real life?'},\n {'end_time': '14:35', 'start_time': '14:30', 'text': 'In my real life, you know, money somewhere, of course, gives you that comfort.'},\n {'end_time': '14:36', 'start_time': '14:35', 'text': 'It it takes away a lot of stress.'},\n {'end_time': '14:37', 'start_time': '14:37', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '14:41', 'start_time': '14:37', 'text': \"And also I'm I'm I was like, I'm I send money back home also.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:46', 'start_time': '14:41', 'text': 'I I I try and, like, you know, give them as much comfort as I can because they were there for me.'},\n {'end_time': '14:47', 'start_time': '14:46', 'text': \"It's my family.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:51', 'start_time': '14:48', 'text': \"But I think apart from that, doesn't really do much to me.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:53', 'start_time': '14:51', 'text': \"I still don't really take it too seriously.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:56', 'start_time': '14:53', 'text': \"Like, I've never really left a film for for monetary reasons.\"},\n {'end_time': '14:57', 'start_time': '14:56', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '14:58', 'start_time': '14:57', 'text': 'Money is just a byproduct?'},\n {'end_time': '14:58', 'start_time': '14:58', 'text': \"It's just a byproduct.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:00', 'start_time': '14:59', 'text': 'It just gives you some comfort in life.'},\n {'end_time': '15:06', 'start_time': '15:00', 'text': \"But apart from that I think it's it's the work that you do with That's your driving force today?\"},\n {'end_time': '15:07', 'start_time': '15:06', 'text': 'You want to put out art?'},\n {'end_time': '15:08', 'start_time': '15:07', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '15:08', 'start_time': '15:08', 'text': 'Absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '15:10', 'start_time': '15:08', 'text': 'I want to put out exciting parts.'},\n {'end_time': '15:12', 'start_time': '15:10', 'text': 'I want to challenge myself as an actor.'},\n {'end_time': '15:16', 'start_time': '15:12', 'text': 'I wanna surprise you, you know, with my work and You do that in every film.'},\n {'end_time': '15:17', 'start_time': '15:16', 'text': 'Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '15:20', 'start_time': '15:17', 'text': \"And that's the only thing which keeps me going, which is which motivates me every day.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:20', 'start_time': '15:20', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '15:24', 'start_time': '15:20', 'text': 'You know, they say that Bollywood used to be about glam and all that.'},\n {'end_time': '15:25', 'start_time': '15:24', 'text': \"Now it's about content.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:25', 'start_time': '15:25', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '15:28', 'start_time': '15:25', 'text': \"I think you're at the forefront of that whole content revolution.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:30', 'start_time': '15:28', 'text': 'People have seen Rajkumar taking a risk and Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '15:32', 'start_time': '15:31', 'text': \"Everyone's following you in a way.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:33', 'start_time': '15:32', 'text': 'Thanks a lot.'},\n {'end_time': '15:33', 'start_time': '15:33', 'text': 'Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '15:34', 'start_time': '15:33', 'text': 'Do you see yourself that way?'},\n {'end_time': '15:36', 'start_time': '15:34', 'text': 'Do you see yourself as a leader of a change?'},\n {'end_time': '15:36', 'start_time': '15:36', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '15:37', 'start_time': '15:36', 'text': \"That's a good name.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:38', 'start_time': '15:37', 'text': 'I know.'},\n {'end_time': '15:40', 'start_time': '15:38', 'text': 'I I live a very, trust me, I I live a very simple life.'},\n {'end_time': '15:42', 'start_time': '15:40', 'text': 'I I do my work.'},\n {'end_time': '15:43', 'start_time': '15:42', 'text': 'I go back home.'},\n {'end_time': '15:45', 'start_time': '15:43', 'text': \"I I'm this really simple guy.\"},\n {'end_time': '15:50', 'start_time': '15:45', 'text': 'I would be roaming around in his boxer and and and banyan at home and would be washing utensils.'},\n {'end_time': '15:50', 'start_time': '15:50', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '15:57', 'start_time': '15:50', 'text': 'I would be washing utensils, would be serving my own food, would take would go to Godrej, Supermart to do shopping.'},\n {'end_time': '15:59', 'start_time': '15:57', 'text': 'I do I do everything on my own.'},\n {'end_time': '16:03', 'start_time': '15:59', 'text': \"You'll you'll you can find me in juvoo eating gulga pani puri and pochkas.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:05', 'start_time': '16:03', 'text': 'So I lead a very, very simple life.'},\n {'end_time': '16:06', 'start_time': '16:05', 'text': \"I don't really take anything too seriously.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:08', 'start_time': '16:06', 'text': \"You know, you're the struggling face.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:14', 'start_time': '16:08', 'text': 'I feel like everyone who goes to any kind of struggle, it always gives them one weapon, which they can use for the rest of their life.'},\n {'end_time': '16:15', 'start_time': '16:14', 'text': 'So what was that weapon for you?'},\n {'end_time': '16:18', 'start_time': '16:15', 'text': \"What did your struggling face teach you, which you're still using even today?\"},\n {'end_time': '16:22', 'start_time': '16:18', 'text': 'I think more than my struggling days, the kind of, childhood I had, it was very adventurous.'},\n {'end_time': '16:26', 'start_time': '16:23', 'text': 'I saw all kinds of people when I was growing up.'},\n {'end_time': '16:28', 'start_time': '16:27', 'text': 'And I picked up.'},\n {'end_time': '16:29', 'start_time': '16:28', 'text': 'I picked up.'},\n {'end_time': '16:33', 'start_time': '16:29', 'text': \"I picked up a lot from my childhood, which I'm using it in my performances now.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:36', 'start_time': '16:33', 'text': \"I think they of course, that's why the reason they say life is the biggest teacher, especially for an actor.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:47', 'start_time': '16:36', 'text': 'I think if you can observe just yourself properly, how you behave in situations, if you can just recreate that honestly in your performances, that will do a a lot of job of yours as an actor.'},\n {'end_time': '16:49', 'start_time': '16:47', 'text': 'You put a lot of yourself into your acting.'},\n {'end_time': '16:49', 'start_time': '16:49', 'text': 'Right?'},\n {'end_time': '16:52', 'start_time': '16:49', 'text': \"More than myself, I I now I've started picking up from life.\"},\n {'end_time': '16:54', 'start_time': '16:52', 'text': 'Now, of course, I start thinking like my characters.'},\n {'end_time': '16:57', 'start_time': '16:54', 'text': \"Not I'm I'm not really trying to portray myself now.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:01', 'start_time': '16:57', 'text': 'Like, the whole, the way I say hello in Bariliki Barfi, like, hello.'},\n {'end_time': '17:02', 'start_time': '17:01', 'text': \"That's how my brother-in-law speaks.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:07', 'start_time': '17:02', 'text': \"And those apps thing that you've seen in in, made in China.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:12', 'start_time': '17:07', 'text': \"That's the picture my sister sent me some 2 years back of my nephews who were, like, 4 at that time.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:12', 'start_time': '17:12', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '17:16', 'start_time': '17:12', 'text': 'And they were just, my brother just made, like, those 6 pack with a brown sketch pen.'},\n {'end_time': '17:18', 'start_time': '17:16', 'text': \"And I thought that's that's very fascinating.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:21', 'start_time': '17:18', 'text': \"And then and I kept it with me that I'm gonna use it one day.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:26', 'start_time': '17:21', 'text': 'And then here I got some chance where I could just, you know, make those, 6 pack with that Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '17:27', 'start_time': '17:26', 'text': 'Sketch pen.'},\n {'end_time': '17:29', 'start_time': '17:27', 'text': 'So I I pick up from life also now.'},\n {'end_time': '17:31', 'start_time': '17:29', 'text': 'So what made you sign this movie?'},\n {'end_time': '17:31', 'start_time': '17:31', 'text': 'Made in China?'},\n {'end_time': '17:34', 'start_time': '17:31', 'text': 'Like, was that entrepreneurship, magic?'},\n {'end_time': '17:35', 'start_time': '17:34', 'text': 'Magic soup.'},\n {'end_time': '17:39', 'start_time': '17:36', 'text': \"It was, it's an exciting journey of this guy Raghu Mehta.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:43', 'start_time': '17:39', 'text': \"You know, he's a he's a struggling Gujarati businessman, and I could relate to his journey.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:46', 'start_time': '17:43', 'text': \"He's also somebody who's very aspiring, who won't give up easily.\"},\n {'end_time': '17:49', 'start_time': '17:47', 'text': 'Like, he has failed so many times but still attained.'},\n {'end_time': '17:52', 'start_time': '17:49', 'text': 'So I could relate to him, because he never had a plan b.'},\n {'end_time': '17:53', 'start_time': '17:52', 'text': 'I never had a plan b.'},\n {'end_time': '17:57', 'start_time': '17:53', 'text': \"That's the only thing he wants to do in life, and he and he wants to be very successful in that.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:00', 'start_time': '17:57', 'text': \"And that's the only thing I wanted to do in life, to be an actor.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:03', 'start_time': '18:01', 'text': \"And the way I think it's been written, it's very quirky.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:05', 'start_time': '18:03', 'text': \"It's, it's very funny.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:05', 'start_time': '18:05', 'text': \"It's very entertaining.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:10', 'start_time': '18:05', 'text': \"But still, the heart, it's, its heart is at the right place, which is the most important thing.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:14', 'start_time': '18:10', 'text': 'From the trailer, it looks like the movie is about hard work and hustle in a way.'},\n {'end_time': '18:14', 'start_time': '18:14', 'text': 'Oh, yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '18:14', 'start_time': '18:14', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '18:14', 'start_time': '18:14', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '18:15', 'start_time': '18:14', 'text': 'It is.'},\n {'end_time': '18:15', 'start_time': '18:15', 'text': 'It is.'},\n {'end_time': '18:16', 'start_time': '18:15', 'text': 'It is.'},\n {'end_time': '18:17', 'start_time': '18:16', 'text': 'But in a very entertaining way.'},\n {'end_time': '18:19', 'start_time': '18:17', 'text': 'Like, it will make you laugh, but it will touch you.'},\n {'end_time': '18:20', 'start_time': '18:19', 'text': 'It will definitely touch you in the story.'},\n {'end_time': '18:24', 'start_time': '18:20', 'text': \"And I don't know why at least just talking to you, I feel like this movie is somewhere closer to you than other movies.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:26', 'start_time': '18:24', 'text': 'I know all your movies are close to your heart.'},\n {'end_time': '18:26', 'start_time': '18:26', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '18:31', 'start_time': '18:26', 'text': 'This this is, definitely closer because because I really enjoyed, portraying Raghu Mehta on screen.'},\n {'end_time': '18:38', 'start_time': '18:31', 'text': 'I I had a great time picking up the accent to gain weight and to be somebody else, you know, the whole shift in body language.'},\n {'end_time': '18:41', 'start_time': '18:38', 'text': 'And the cat just starts talking to you after a few days.'},\n {'end_time': '18:41', 'start_time': '18:41', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '18:42', 'start_time': '18:41', 'text': 'It will just tell you where to go.'},\n {'end_time': '18:48', 'start_time': '18:42', 'text': \"It will start guiding you that you should stand like this and you should walk like this, and that's how you're gonna laugh.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:49', 'start_time': '18:48', 'text': 'It just happens with me.'},\n {'end_time': '18:50', 'start_time': '18:49', 'text': \"I I don't really plan it.\"},\n {'end_time': '18:52', 'start_time': '18:50', 'text': 'It just comes to me naturally.'},\n {'end_time': '18:54', 'start_time': '18:52', 'text': 'And I I find that so amazing, so magical.'},\n {'end_time': '19:11', 'start_time': '19:08', 'text': 'It was such a dark movie in a way.'},\n {'end_time': '19:12', 'start_time': '19:11', 'text': 'There was that one scene.'},\n {'end_time': '19:13', 'start_time': '19:12', 'text': \"I don't remember the exact thing.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:15', 'start_time': '19:13', 'text': 'I think we are cooking a bird.'},\n {'end_time': '19:15', 'start_time': '19:15', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '19:16', 'start_time': '19:15', 'text': \"I'm trying to cut that pigeon.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:17', 'start_time': '19:16', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '19:17', 'start_time': '19:17', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '19:19', 'start_time': '19:17', 'text': \"And then I'm, then I'm barbecuing.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:20', 'start_time': '19:19', 'text': \"And you're able to actually do something.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:22', 'start_time': '19:20', 'text': 'You start clapping and all in the middle.'},\n {'end_time': '19:23', 'start_time': '19:22', 'text': \"It's a very dark scene.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:27', 'start_time': '19:23', 'text': 'Could you elaborate a little bit on that movie and what it did to you as a person in your real life?'},\n {'end_time': '19:31', 'start_time': '19:29', 'text': 'It gave me a lot of blackouts while shooting.'},\n {'end_time': '19:31', 'start_time': '19:31', 'text': 'Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '19:33', 'start_time': '19:32', 'text': 'It was a great story.'},\n {'end_time': '19:34', 'start_time': '19:33', 'text': 'I met Vikram Sarabh.'},\n {'end_time': '19:36', 'start_time': '19:34', 'text': \"I've been a big fan of his work.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:37', 'start_time': '19:36', 'text': 'I always wanted to work with him.'},\n {'end_time': '19:41', 'start_time': '19:37', 'text': \"So I met him at one of the screenings and he told me that, you know, he's planning this film.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:48', 'start_time': '19:41', 'text': \"He just told me the ones like, one liner that this guy stuck in an apartment without food, water, electricity, and that's the story.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:52', 'start_time': '19:48', 'text': \"I said I'm doing it because I found it so challenging, you know, so fascinating as an actor.\"},\n {'end_time': '19:55', 'start_time': '19:52', 'text': 'I thought there there would be so much to do for me there.'},\n {'end_time': '19:57', 'start_time': '19:55', 'text': 'It would really challenge me.'},\n {'end_time': '19:59', 'start_time': '19:57', 'text': 'And on top of that, there was Vikram Motwani.'},\n {'end_time': '20:02', 'start_time': '19:59', 'text': \"So I thought, you know, it's the best combination I can ever get.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:02', 'start_time': '20:02', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '20:04', 'start_time': '20:02', 'text': 'And then we started shooting.'},\n {'end_time': '20:06', 'start_time': '20:04', 'text': 'We started actually, we went in an order.'},\n {'end_time': '20:09', 'start_time': '20:06', 'text': \"Like, it was very the way it's supposed to be in the film.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:12', 'start_time': '20:09', 'text': \"That's how we were shooting because also I was growing my beard during the process.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:14', 'start_time': '20:12', 'text': 'I was losing weight in the process.'},\n {'end_time': '20:15', 'start_time': '20:14', 'text': 'Crazy.'},\n {'end_time': '20:16', 'start_time': '20:15', 'text': 'But I it was great.'},\n {'end_time': '20:16', 'start_time': '20:16', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '20:24', 'start_time': '20:16', 'text': \"You know, I I know not many people have seen that film, but whoever has seen it, they all say the same thing that it's your best work till date.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:25', 'start_time': '20:24', 'text': \"And that's what I I wanted.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:30', 'start_time': '20:25', 'text': 'I I actually wanted to stay in that house for those 20 days, but the production thought it would be really dangerous.'},\n {'end_time': '20:31', 'start_time': '20:30', 'text': 'So it would be allowed.'},\n {'end_time': '20:33', 'start_time': '20:31', 'text': 'I thought, what if something goes wrong?'},\n {'end_time': '20:34', 'start_time': '20:33', 'text': \"We don't want to take that responsibility.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:39', 'start_time': '20:35', 'text': \"But that's the film which gave me a chance to really, you know, get deep into it.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:40', 'start_time': '20:39', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '20:41', 'start_time': '20:40', 'text': \"I started living Shauria's life.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:43', 'start_time': '20:41', 'text': 'I I stopped eating.'},\n {'end_time': '20:45', 'start_time': '20:43', 'text': 'I stopped having water.'},\n {'end_time': '20:48', 'start_time': '20:45', 'text': \"I gave my own blood to the film, and I'm a vegetarian.\"},\n {'end_time': '20:50', 'start_time': '20:48', 'text': 'So Is is this because of dedication?'},\n {'end_time': '20:53', 'start_time': '20:51', 'text': 'Like, is this the dedication you have for your craft?'},\n {'end_time': '20:56', 'start_time': '20:53', 'text': \"These this is the kind of stories I've heard from the actors that have influenced me now.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:01', 'start_time': '20:56', 'text': 'Like, you know, Daniel Day Lewis and and Robert De Niro, Philip Seymour Hoffman.'},\n {'end_time': '21:05', 'start_time': '21:01', 'text': \"And I think that's the only fun of being an actor, you know, otherwise and I really can't fake it.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:08', 'start_time': '21:05', 'text': 'I I hate fake things in life also.'},\n {'end_time': '21:11', 'start_time': '21:08', 'text': \"Like, I can't really hog myself with food and then go and act like I'm so hungry.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:12', 'start_time': '21:11', 'text': 'Oh my god.'},\n {'end_time': '21:17', 'start_time': '21:12', 'text': \"That actually also makes it so much, like, troublesome that you'll have to act double.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:20', 'start_time': '21:17', 'text': \"It's better to just not eat and then just be yourself.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:20', 'start_time': '21:20', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '21:20', 'start_time': '21:20', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '21:21', 'start_time': '21:20', 'text': 'Be the character.'},\n {'end_time': '21:26', 'start_time': '21:21', 'text': \"If someone asks a normal college kid who's the best actor in the country, a lot of them will name you.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:29', 'start_time': '21:26', 'text': 'So a lot of people consider you like the top actor in the country.'},\n {'end_time': '21:31', 'start_time': '21:29', 'text': 'You know, you can portray characters really well.'},\n {'end_time': '21:33', 'start_time': '21:32', 'text': 'I have 2 questions for you.'},\n {'end_time': '21:35', 'start_time': '21:33', 'text': \"Is this something you've built over time?\"},\n {'end_time': '21:38', 'start_time': '21:35', 'text': \"And the other question is, do you feel with every film you're getting even better?\"},\n {'end_time': '21:42', 'start_time': '21:38', 'text': \"Like when athlete gets better when they're playing more, when they're batting more, you become better as a batsman.\"},\n {'end_time': '21:44', 'start_time': '21:42', 'text': \"So do you feel it's something like that for you?\"},\n {'end_time': '21:45', 'start_time': '21:44', 'text': \"With every film you're getting better?\"},\n {'end_time': '21:48', 'start_time': '21:46', 'text': 'I I want to I want to grow with every film.'},\n {'end_time': '21:48', 'start_time': '21:48', 'text': 'That is for sure.'},\n {'end_time': '21:50', 'start_time': '21:48', 'text': \"That's a conscious effort that I'm Ruin watery?\"},\n {'end_time': '21:52', 'start_time': '21:50', 'text': 'Trying, like, as an actor.'},\n {'end_time': '21:52', 'start_time': '21:52', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '21:56', 'start_time': '21:52', 'text': \"You know, I want to, and I want I'm challenging myself with every character.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:02', 'start_time': '21:56', 'text': 'Like, whatever next three or four films that you will see, there can be some really simple character, but I want to just push my limits.'},\n {'end_time': '22:05', 'start_time': '22:02', 'text': 'So I I add something which makes my job very hard.'},\n {'end_time': '22:09', 'start_time': '22:06', 'text': \"It it gets very tough sometimes, but that's the fun I see.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:10', 'start_time': '22:09', 'text': 'You know?'},\n {'end_time': '22:15', 'start_time': '22:10', 'text': \"I just I can't just go and see my lines and come back and look the same and everything.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:15', 'start_time': '22:15', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '22:16', 'start_time': '22:15', 'text': 'It it it becomes boring.'},\n {'end_time': '22:17', 'start_time': '22:16', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '22:21', 'start_time': '22:17', 'text': \"I wanna be I wanna feel like a different guy when I'm whenever I'm shooting for a new film.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:23', 'start_time': '22:21', 'text': \"When I'm talking to you, I feel like you really love acting.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:24', 'start_time': '22:23', 'text': 'I do.'},\n {'end_time': '22:28', 'start_time': '22:24', 'text': \"And you're in this industry for acting because it's the experience that it's giving you on a human level.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:28', 'start_time': '22:28', 'text': 'Oh, absolutely.'},\n {'end_time': '22:29', 'start_time': '22:28', 'text': 'I I really cherish it.'},\n {'end_time': '22:33', 'start_time': '22:29', 'text': 'Whenever somebody asked me to act even in an interview, sometimes they say, can you do that?'},\n {'end_time': '22:34', 'start_time': '22:33', 'text': 'I I feel so happy.'},\n {'end_time': '22:36', 'start_time': '22:34', 'text': \"You're having a chance to act again.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:37', 'start_time': '22:36', 'text': 'You were born for this?'},\n {'end_time': '22:38', 'start_time': '22:37', 'text': 'I think so.'},\n {'end_time': '22:39', 'start_time': '22:38', 'text': 'Now when I look back, yeah, I guess.'},\n {'end_time': '22:42', 'start_time': '22:39', 'text': \"And that's why you probably had those goosebumps when you saw the cell.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:43', 'start_time': '22:42', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '22:49', 'start_time': '22:43', 'text': \"Even now even now whenever I'm traveling in my car, if I see some light somewhere, some shoot happening, I'd roll down my window and say, k.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:49', 'start_time': '22:49', 'text': 'K.'},\n {'end_time': '22:49', 'start_time': '22:49', 'text': 'K.'},\n {'end_time': '22:49', 'start_time': '22:49', 'text': 'K.'},\n {'end_time': '22:49', 'start_time': '22:49', 'text': 'K.'},\n {'end_time': '22:49', 'start_time': '22:49', 'text': 'K.'},\n {'end_time': '22:49', 'start_time': '22:49', 'text': 'K.'},\n {'end_time': '22:49', 'start_time': '22:49', 'text': 'K.'},\n {'end_time': '22:49', 'start_time': '22:49', 'text': 'K.'},\n {'end_time': '22:52', 'start_time': '22:49', 'text': \"And then my teeth said, I'm shooting.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:53', 'start_time': '22:52', 'text': \"I'm not shooting.\"},\n {'end_time': '22:57', 'start_time': '22:54', 'text': 'Sir, but you know, any industry has some downsides also.'},\n {'end_time': '23:00', 'start_time': '22:57', 'text': \"So what is one thing on a personal level you don't enjoy about the Hindi film industry?\"},\n {'end_time': '23:02', 'start_time': '23:01', 'text': \"I don't enjoy.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:10', 'start_time': '23:04', 'text': \"Sometimes I think we really judge films on the basis of how much money they've made.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:10', 'start_time': '23:10', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '23:12', 'start_time': '23:10', 'text': 'I think that needs to be numbers.'},\n {'end_time': '23:14', 'start_time': '23:12', 'text': 'Numbers play a big game here.'},\n {'end_time': '23:17', 'start_time': '23:14', 'text': \"I think that is something which actors shouldn't, you know, worry about.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:18', 'start_time': '23:17', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '23:24', 'start_time': '23:18', 'text': \"So I think that's the only thing which I would like to change that, you know, some because when you you know, I say this to everyone.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:26', 'start_time': '23:24', 'text': 'Would you know how much money Godfather has made?'},\n {'end_time': '23:27', 'start_time': '23:26', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '23:27', 'start_time': '23:27', 'text': \"I don't know.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:28', 'start_time': '23:27', 'text': 'Godfather.'},\n {'end_time': '23:28', 'start_time': '23:28', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '23:30', 'start_time': '23:28', 'text': 'But but you remember Godfather.'},\n {'end_time': '23:31', 'start_time': '23:30', 'text': \"You're gonna remember it for the next 100 years.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:31', 'start_time': '23:31', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '23:31', 'start_time': '23:31', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '23:34', 'start_time': '23:31', 'text': \"So it doesn't matter how much money your affiliate is making at the box office.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:36', 'start_time': '23:34', 'text': \"That's what I always believe in.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:38', 'start_time': '23:36', 'text': \"What's the legacy that you're gonna leave behind?\"},\n {'end_time': '23:41', 'start_time': '23:38', 'text': \"It's not nobody would remember that Stree has made 130 Karoots.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:42', 'start_time': '23:41', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '23:48', 'start_time': '23:42', 'text': \"If it's a good one, people would say this Stree was a unique a very it's a cult film because it was one of the first horror comedies.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:49', 'start_time': '23:48', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '23:52', 'start_time': '23:49', 'text': 'Or people would talk about Shahid or trapped, you know.'},\n {'end_time': '23:53', 'start_time': '23:52', 'text': 'Or made in China.'},\n {'end_time': '23:54', 'start_time': '23:53', 'text': 'Newton or made in China.'},\n {'end_time': '23:54', 'start_time': '23:54', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '23:56', 'start_time': '23:54', 'text': \"So people so I want to that's how I see it.\"},\n {'end_time': '23:57', 'start_time': '23:56', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '24:03', 'start_time': '23:57', 'text': 'Saying that, of course, I I want my films to make money because so that we can get more work and we can do make exciting stories.'},\n {'end_time': '24:09', 'start_time': '24:03', 'text': \"But we shouldn't we should not only judge films on the basis of, you know, how much they're doing at the box office.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:11', 'start_time': '24:09', 'text': \"What's your mental zone like right now for your career?\"},\n {'end_time': '24:16', 'start_time': '24:11', 'text': 'I understand you enjoy films, but obviously you have to look out for the brand Rajkumar Rao also.'},\n {'end_time': '24:19', 'start_time': '24:16', 'text': \"I I really don't see any brand Rajkumar Rao.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:20', 'start_time': '24:19', 'text': 'You you focus on your film.'},\n {'end_time': '24:20', 'start_time': '24:20', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '24:22', 'start_time': '24:20', 'text': \"I'm I'm very bad when it comes to PR.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:26', 'start_time': '24:22', 'text': \"That's the only complaint my PR people have with me that we need you need to buck up.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:27', 'start_time': '24:26', 'text': 'You need to we need to do this.'},\n {'end_time': '24:30', 'start_time': '24:27', 'text': \"We're gonna do that and I like I'm done with my work.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:31', 'start_time': '24:30', 'text': 'I want to go back home.'},\n {'end_time': '24:33', 'start_time': '24:31', 'text': 'I want to watch something on television.'},\n {'end_time': '24:34', 'start_time': '24:33', 'text': 'I want to play with my dog.'},\n {'end_time': '24:35', 'start_time': '24:34', 'text': 'Do you watch any YouTube?'},\n {'end_time': '24:36', 'start_time': '24:36', 'text': 'I do.'},\n {'end_time': '24:36', 'start_time': '24:36', 'text': 'I do.'},\n {'end_time': '24:36', 'start_time': '24:36', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '24:38', 'start_time': '24:36', 'text': 'What what do you enjoy watching?'},\n {'end_time': '24:39', 'start_time': '24:38', 'text': 'On YouTube.'},\n {'end_time': '24:40', 'start_time': '24:39', 'text': 'I I randomly search it.'},\n {'end_time': '24:40', 'start_time': '24:40', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '24:44', 'start_time': '24:40', 'text': \"I don't really, not any go to channels.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:46', 'start_time': '24:44', 'text': 'Not Not really any go to channels.'},\n {'end_time': '24:46', 'start_time': '24:46', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '24:51', 'start_time': '24:46', 'text': \"And in terms of I watch a lot of Ellen Page's interviews and So I'll be a beer by suggest channel.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:51', 'start_time': '24:51', 'text': 'Show.'},\n {'end_time': '24:52', 'start_time': '24:51', 'text': 'Beer by suggest, of course.'},\n {'end_time': '24:53', 'start_time': '24:52', 'text': \"Beer by suggest I've seen.\"},\n {'end_time': '24:57', 'start_time': '24:55', 'text': 'But, yeah, I I just whatever comes, like, I just Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '24:58', 'start_time': '24:57', 'text': 'Cool.'},\n {'end_time': '24:59', 'start_time': '24:58', 'text': 'I wanna ask you now.'},\n {'end_time': '25:01', 'start_time': '24:59', 'text': \"You're someone who's genuinely passionate about films.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:03', 'start_time': '25:01', 'text': \"I won't even say you're passionate about Bollywood.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:04', 'start_time': '25:03', 'text': \"You're a passionate actor.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:16', 'start_time': '25:04', 'text': \"So what are 3 films that you suggest to just all young people to watch, which, you know, you feel had an impact on you and can have an impact on them even if they're not getting into the world of acting just for their careers.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:18', 'start_time': '25:16', 'text': 'Rocky, Rocky really inspires me.'},\n {'end_time': '25:19', 'start_time': '25:18', 'text': 'Big time.'},\n {'end_time': '25:19', 'start_time': '25:19', 'text': 'Big time.'},\n {'end_time': '25:19', 'start_time': '25:19', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '25:20', 'start_time': '25:19', 'text': \"Rocky's amazing.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:22', 'start_time': '25:21', 'text': 'Eye of the tiger.'},\n {'end_time': '25:23', 'start_time': '25:22', 'text': 'Eye of the tiger baby.'},\n {'end_time': '25:26', 'start_time': '25:26', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '25:27', 'start_time': '25:26', 'text': 'Pursuit of happiness.'},\n {'end_time': '25:30', 'start_time': '25:28', 'text': \"That's another one.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:34', 'start_time': '25:31', 'text': 'And 3rd actually 2.'},\n {'end_time': '25:35', 'start_time': '25:34', 'text': 'Life is beautiful.'},\n {'end_time': '25:40', 'start_time': '25:35', 'text': 'Just because the you know, just the thing that it tells you the message that, you know, you still can be happy.'},\n {'end_time': '25:40', 'start_time': '25:40', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '25:42', 'start_time': '25:40', 'text': 'No matter what the conditions are.'},\n {'end_time': '25:48', 'start_time': '25:42', 'text': \"And Sophie's Choice, though it's a very dark film, but it really had a great impact on me.\"},\n {'end_time': '25:49', 'start_time': '25:48', 'text': 'And what about Hindi films?'},\n {'end_time': '25:50', 'start_time': '25:49', 'text': \"Any like, you don't need name 3?\"},\n {'end_time': '25:51', 'start_time': '25:50', 'text': \"Whatever's coming to your head?\"},\n {'end_time': '25:55', 'start_time': '25:52', 'text': 'Hindi films, Swadesh I really liked.'},\n {'end_time': '25:55', 'start_time': '25:55', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '25:55', 'start_time': '25:55', 'text': '100%.'},\n {'end_time': '25:56', 'start_time': '25:55', 'text': 'I really liked that film.'},\n {'end_time': '26:01', 'start_time': '25:58', 'text': 'Shul, Lakshya.'},\n {'end_time': '26:02', 'start_time': '26:01', 'text': 'Lakshya was very good.'},\n {'end_time': '26:05', 'start_time': '26:04', 'text': 'And, yeah, maybe Trapped.'},\n {'end_time': '26:06', 'start_time': '26:06', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '26:10', 'start_time': '26:06', 'text': 'Did you feel connected to that movie, that luck by chance with Faranakhtar?'},\n {'end_time': '26:10', 'start_time': '26:10', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '26:10', 'start_time': '26:10', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '26:10', 'start_time': '26:10', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '26:11', 'start_time': '26:10', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '26:13', 'start_time': '26:11', 'text': 'Because I think that phase was right after your start date.'},\n {'end_time': '26:13', 'start_time': '26:13', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '26:14', 'start_time': '26:13', 'text': 'I just started out.'},\n {'end_time': '26:14', 'start_time': '26:14', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '26:16', 'start_time': '26:14', 'text': 'In 2009, I think it came.'},\n {'end_time': '26:17', 'start_time': '26:17', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '26:19', 'start_time': '26:17', 'text': 'I was I was pretty excited seeing that film.'},\n {'end_time': '26:22', 'start_time': '26:19', 'text': 'And and there was a scene of, you know, Shah Rukhsa was there, Ramesh was there.'},\n {'end_time': '26:25', 'start_time': '26:22', 'text': 'I was like, oh, wish one day I can just meet them.'},\n {'end_time': '26:29', 'start_time': '26:25', 'text': \"And, you know, there's this scene at the end of the film where I think Kaunas and Sharma, she's giving a monologue.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:29', 'start_time': '26:29', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '26:30', 'start_time': '26:29', 'text': 'And she says, k, yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '26:35', 'start_time': '26:30', 'text': \"Maybe I didn't make it big as a film actor, but I'm getting to do acting and making money everyday.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:36', 'start_time': '26:35', 'text': 'Now how much do you relate to that?'},\n {'end_time': '26:38', 'start_time': '26:36', 'text': \"Because you're doing that and you're a film actor.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:39', 'start_time': '26:38', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '26:41', 'start_time': '26:39', 'text': \"And you're just on the rise of careers on the up.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:41', 'start_time': '26:41', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '26:42', 'start_time': '26:41', 'text': 'I can relate to her.'},\n {'end_time': '26:46', 'start_time': '26:42', 'text': 'Do you look at your life right now and ask her if you have any doubts?'},\n {'end_time': '26:48', 'start_time': '26:48', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '26:51', 'start_time': '26:48', 'text': \"Honestly, you know, I really don't think about anything.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:51', 'start_time': '26:51', 'text': 'You just work?'},\n {'end_time': '26:52', 'start_time': '26:51', 'text': 'I just I just work.'},\n {'end_time': '26:54', 'start_time': '26:52', 'text': 'I just think about my characters.'},\n {'end_time': '26:55', 'start_time': '26:54', 'text': \"What I'm doing today.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:56', 'start_time': '26:55', 'text': \"I'm not a futuristic at all.\"},\n {'end_time': '26:58', 'start_time': '26:56', 'text': \"I have no plans what's gonna happen after 5 years.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:01', 'start_time': '26:59', 'text': \"I really think about, like, the next character that I'm doing.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:04', 'start_time': '27:01', 'text': \"That right now, I'm I'm preparing for White Tiger.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:08', 'start_time': '27:04', 'text': 'So all my energy apart from these interviews and and PR things is only there.'},\n {'end_time': '27:09', 'start_time': '27:08', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '27:12', 'start_time': '27:09', 'text': \"I'm I'm constantly thinking about Ashok It's at the back of your head also?\"},\n {'end_time': '27:13', 'start_time': '27:12', 'text': \"It's the back of my head.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:13', 'start_time': '27:13', 'text': 'Wow.'},\n {'end_time': '27:14', 'start_time': '27:13', 'text': \"I'm constantly doing that.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:19', 'start_time': '27:14', 'text': \"I'm I'm working on my accent, my, because I need to have some American accent there.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:19', 'start_time': '27:19', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '27:20', 'start_time': '27:19', 'text': \"So I'm working on that.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:24', 'start_time': '27:21', 'text': \"So that that's the work that's going on and that's the only thing I think about.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:29', 'start_time': '27:24', 'text': \"I don't really think about what should I do, who's doing what, or what's my brand, what's up is.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:30', 'start_time': '27:29', 'text': 'No.'},\n {'end_time': '27:34', 'start_time': '27:30', 'text': 'Someone I really look up to personally is Virat Kohli, and Virat Kohli has a theory for all careers.'},\n {'end_time': '27:41', 'start_time': '27:34', 'text': \"He says that every career is like facing a bowler, but you have to only care about the next ball that you're facing and you play that really well.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:42', 'start_time': '27:41', 'text': \"And that's what actually builds up your career.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:45', 'start_time': '27:42', 'text': \"So I feel unknowingly somebody when you're following that same theory.\"},\n {'end_time': '27:52', 'start_time': '27:46', 'text': 'So, my question to you was, do you look at anyone in modern India who you get inspiration from even today?'},\n {'end_time': '27:54', 'start_time': '27:52', 'text': 'Because a lot of people look up to you.'},\n {'end_time': '27:55', 'start_time': '27:54', 'text': 'So who do you look up to?'},\n {'end_time': '27:59', 'start_time': '27:56', 'text': 'In modern India, I I look up to Virat, of course.'},\n {'end_time': '28:04', 'start_time': '28:01', 'text': 'I look up to, mister Kairaj Sathyarthi.'},\n {'end_time': '28:07', 'start_time': '28:04', 'text': \"I think that's again a it's a great thing that he's doing.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:12', 'start_time': '28:11', 'text': \"There's so many people.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:14', 'start_time': '28:12', 'text': \"I maybe I don't know them.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:14', 'start_time': '28:14', 'text': 'Sharukkhar?'},\n {'end_time': '28:15', 'start_time': '28:15', 'text': 'Know my name.'},\n {'end_time': '28:16', 'start_time': '28:16', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '28:17', 'start_time': '28:16', 'text': \"That's, of course.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:18', 'start_time': '28:17', 'text': 'The whole world knows that.'},\n {'end_time': '28:19', 'start_time': '28:18', 'text': \"He's always inspired me.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:20', 'start_time': '28:19', 'text': \"And he's at it, you know.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:23', 'start_time': '28:20', 'text': \"He's still, like, he's still I know he's gonna come back with a bang now.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:24', 'start_time': '28:23', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '28:26', 'start_time': '28:25', 'text': \"And there's so many people now.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:27', 'start_time': '28:26', 'text': 'I just went to Bangalore.'},\n {'end_time': '28:30', 'start_time': '28:27', 'text': 'I I met so many youngsters there for I went to the Tech Sparks.'},\n {'end_time': '28:36', 'start_time': '28:30', 'text': 'I met, like, young people who are just starting out and and want they want to be entrepreneurs.'},\n {'end_time': '28:38', 'start_time': '28:36', 'text': \"It's I mean, this great energy Yeah.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:41', 'start_time': '28:38', 'text': 'You know, especially now this whole digital boom that is happening in our country.'},\n {'end_time': '28:44', 'start_time': '28:42', 'text': 'Anybody can just achieve their dreams.'},\n {'end_time': '28:47', 'start_time': '28:44', 'text': \"You don't really have to just think of that I want to act in films or TV.\"},\n {'end_time': '28:50', 'start_time': '28:48', 'text': 'You can do what you want to do.'},\n {'end_time': '28:58', 'start_time': '28:50', 'text': \"Raj, lot of people look up to you not just as an actor, but just as someone who's followed his passion, made it big, you know, genuinely done what he's loved.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:03', 'start_time': '28:58', 'text': 'What is your message for a lot of people who are struggling to kind of monetize their passion?'},\n {'end_time': '29:06', 'start_time': '29:03', 'text': \"They're trying to make money off their passion, but they're not able to.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:08', 'start_time': '29:07', 'text': 'Well, it takes time.'},\n {'end_time': '29:09', 'start_time': '29:08', 'text': 'Patience.'},\n {'end_time': '29:09', 'start_time': '29:09', 'text': 'Patience.'},\n {'end_time': '29:11', 'start_time': '29:11', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '29:14', 'start_time': '29:12', 'text': 'But you have to have faith in yourself.'},\n {'end_time': '29:18', 'start_time': '29:14', 'text': 'You have to have faith in whatever that you wanna do, your talent.'},\n {'end_time': '29:25', 'start_time': '29:18', 'text': 'And, of course, there will be times there will be people around you who might tell you to do things otherwise, other way, or do something else altogether.'},\n {'end_time': '29:27', 'start_time': '29:25', 'text': 'But do not listen to them.'},\n {'end_time': '29:28', 'start_time': '29:27', 'text': 'Just do not give up.'},\n {'end_time': '29:29', 'start_time': '29:28', 'text': 'Just hang on, buddy.'},\n {'end_time': '29:30', 'start_time': '29:29', 'text': 'It it it will happen.'},\n {'end_time': '29:33', 'start_time': '29:30', 'text': 'Just just be as crazy about whatever you wanna do in life.'},\n {'end_time': '29:34', 'start_time': '29:33', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '29:36', 'start_time': '29:34', 'text': 'And just give all give it whatever you have.'},\n {'end_time': '29:36', 'start_time': '29:36', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '29:38', 'start_time': '29:36', 'text': 'And it will turn out well.'},\n {'end_time': '29:41', 'start_time': '29:38', 'text': \"I'm sure when you were on the rise, a lot of people were telling you that.\"},\n {'end_time': '29:45', 'start_time': '29:42', 'text': 'So in those moments, what did you tell yourself that kept yourself pumped?'},\n {'end_time': '29:47', 'start_time': '29:46', 'text': 'I kept acting.'},\n {'end_time': '29:49', 'start_time': '29:47', 'text': 'As I said, I I I kept watching great films.'},\n {'end_time': '29:52', 'start_time': '29:49', 'text': 'I I I used to write my own monologues.'},\n {'end_time': '29:54', 'start_time': '29:52', 'text': 'I used to prepare them, perform them.'},\n {'end_time': '29:55', 'start_time': '29:54', 'text': 'You kept working, basically?'},\n {'end_time': '29:56', 'start_time': '29:55', 'text': 'I kept working.'},\n {'end_time': '30:00', 'start_time': '29:56', 'text': 'Maybe I was not making money with that work but at least I was working.'},\n {'end_time': '30:01', 'start_time': '30:00', 'text': 'I was I was very happy working.'},\n {'end_time': '30:02', 'start_time': '30:02', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '30:08', 'start_time': '30:02', 'text': 'And, what do you think is that one trait inside you other than hard work that got you like this far?'},\n {'end_time': '30:16', 'start_time': '30:12', 'text': 'I say this also quite often, you know, you need to ask yourself why.'},\n {'end_time': '30:18', 'start_time': '30:16', 'text': \"Why are you doing what you're doing?\"},\n {'end_time': '30:22', 'start_time': '30:19', 'text': 'So I think my reasons are are are maybe at the right place.'},\n {'end_time': '30:26', 'start_time': '30:22', 'text': \"I'm doing it because I feel very passionately about it.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:30', 'start_time': '30:26', 'text': 'I never wanted to be an actor because I wanted to make money or I wanted fame.'},\n {'end_time': '30:33', 'start_time': '30:31', 'text': 'The reason was always because I genuinely love it.'},\n {'end_time': '30:36', 'start_time': '30:33', 'text': 'I genuinely feel very passionate passionately about it.'},\n {'end_time': '30:38', 'start_time': '30:36', 'text': 'So I think you need to have your reasons right.'},\n {'end_time': '30:41', 'start_time': '30:38', 'text': \"If you want to if you're doing it for money, then of course, make money.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:41', 'start_time': '30:41', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '30:42', 'start_time': '30:41', 'text': 'And do whatever you want to do.'},\n {'end_time': '30:44', 'start_time': '30:42', 'text': 'Do whatever kind of films you want to do.'},\n {'end_time': '30:49', 'start_time': '30:45', 'text': 'But then maybe you might not have a really, you know, long career ahead of you.'},\n {'end_time': '30:51', 'start_time': '30:50', 'text': 'So So do it for the right reason.'},\n {'end_time': '30:52', 'start_time': '30:51', 'text': 'So I think my reasons are right.'},\n {'end_time': '30:55', 'start_time': '30:52', 'text': \"I feel you're someone who goes to work, but you don't look at it as work.\"},\n {'end_time': '30:56', 'start_time': '30:55', 'text': 'You look at it as like Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '30:57', 'start_time': '30:56', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '30:57', 'start_time': '30:57', 'text': 'It is.'},\n {'end_time': '30:58', 'start_time': '30:57', 'text': 'It is not work.'},\n {'end_time': '31:02', 'start_time': '30:58', 'text': 'What is your opinion on, like, God and, like, the universe and things like that larger than life?'},\n {'end_time': '31:03', 'start_time': '31:02', 'text': 'I believe in it.'},\n {'end_time': '31:05', 'start_time': '31:03', 'text': 'I I believe in universe.'},\n {'end_time': '31:08', 'start_time': '31:05', 'text': 'I I believe in, I believe in all gods.'},\n {'end_time': '31:10', 'start_time': '31:08', 'text': \"I think there's definitely supreme power out there.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:13', 'start_time': '31:11', 'text': 'Do you think about it for your career?'},\n {'end_time': '31:14', 'start_time': '31:14', 'text': 'I pray.'},\n {'end_time': '31:15', 'start_time': '31:14', 'text': 'I pray every day.'},\n {'end_time': '31:16', 'start_time': '31:15', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '31:21', 'start_time': '31:16', 'text': \"I I definitely believe that there is somebody out there who's who's who's looking at you.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:22', 'start_time': '31:21', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '31:23', 'start_time': '31:22', 'text': 'So I do that.'},\n {'end_time': '31:28', 'start_time': '31:23', 'text': \"Also gives me you know, it's like you're talking to you you're talking to someone.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:29', 'start_time': '31:28', 'text': 'You can you can just put your heart out.'},\n {'end_time': '31:33', 'start_time': '31:29', 'text': 'You can just tell whatever you want to say and put it out in the universe.'},\n {'end_time': '31:33', 'start_time': '31:33', 'text': 'Mhmm.'},\n {'end_time': '31:34', 'start_time': '31:33', 'text': 'I believe in universe also.'},\n {'end_time': '31:38', 'start_time': '31:34', 'text': 'I think just give it out to to the universe and Positivity will yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '31:39', 'start_time': '31:38', 'text': 'Positivity will come back.'},\n {'end_time': '31:40', 'start_time': '31:39', 'text': 'Definitely.'},\n {'end_time': '31:42', 'start_time': '31:40', 'text': 'You experienced this in your own career?'},\n {'end_time': '31:42', 'start_time': '31:42', 'text': 'I have.'},\n {'end_time': '31:43', 'start_time': '31:42', 'text': 'I have.'},\n {'end_time': '31:44', 'start_time': '31:43', 'text': 'Like in what way?'},\n {'end_time': '31:48', 'start_time': '31:45', 'text': 'As I said, I I was I was trying not to be negative ever.'},\n {'end_time': '31:54', 'start_time': '31:48', 'text': \"I was being very positive, and that's the only message I kept giving to the universe that, yeah, it will work out.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:56', 'start_time': '31:54', 'text': 'And my mother as I told you, my mother kept saying it will work out.'},\n {'end_time': '31:57', 'start_time': '31:56', 'text': \"Don't worry.\"},\n {'end_time': '31:58', 'start_time': '31:57', 'text': 'Just work hard.'},\n {'end_time': '32:00', 'start_time': '31:58', 'text': \"Just it it's you're gonna make it.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:01', 'start_time': '32:00', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '32:02', 'start_time': '32:01', 'text': \"And that's the only thing I I kept saying.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:03', 'start_time': '32:02', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '32:06', 'start_time': '32:03', 'text': 'How important is your love life at this stage of your life?'},\n {'end_time': '32:07', 'start_time': '32:06', 'text': 'It is important.'},\n {'end_time': '32:08', 'start_time': '32:07', 'text': 'It balances out?'},\n {'end_time': '32:09', 'start_time': '32:08', 'text': 'It balances out.'},\n {'end_time': '32:09', 'start_time': '32:09', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '32:09', 'start_time': '32:09', 'text': 'Yes.'},\n {'end_time': '32:10', 'start_time': '32:09', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '32:15', 'start_time': '32:10', 'text': \"And you feel it's important to have both, like, a career and a love life or you need to choose one another?\"},\n {'end_time': '32:16', 'start_time': '32:15', 'text': 'To find that balance.'},\n {'end_time': '32:25', 'start_time': '32:16', 'text': \"We really, really can't choose because as I said, you know, of course, work is there, every 13, 14 hours a day, but then you have those another 10 hours.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:25', 'start_time': '32:25', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '32:25', 'start_time': '32:25', 'text': 'And yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '32:28', 'start_time': '32:25', 'text': 'So you need you need an emotional support as well.'},\n {'end_time': '32:28', 'start_time': '32:28', 'text': 'Got it.'},\n {'end_time': '32:29', 'start_time': '32:28', 'text': 'And it helps in your career also.'},\n {'end_time': '32:30', 'start_time': '32:29', 'text': 'It does.'},\n {'end_time': '32:30', 'start_time': '32:30', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '32:31', 'start_time': '32:30', 'text': '100%.'},\n {'end_time': '32:33', 'start_time': '32:31', 'text': \"So, Rajgong, from you, I've learned hard work.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:39', 'start_time': '32:33', 'text': \"I've learned positivity, and I've learned doing work not for money, but for genuine passion and Money follows.\"},\n {'end_time': '32:40', 'start_time': '32:40', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '32:46', 'start_time': '32:40', 'text': \"What's your last piece of advice for someone watching this who wants to become the Rajkumar Rao of their industry?\"},\n {'end_time': '32:57', 'start_time': '32:49', 'text': \"Oh, I think whatever you just said, there's as we all know, there's no substitute to hard work and just do it for the right reason, man.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:03', 'start_time': '32:57', 'text': \"And just just be more passionate every day in like, about whatever you're doing in your life.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:04', 'start_time': '33:03', 'text': \"Don't let your love die.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:07', 'start_time': '33:04', 'text': \"Don't let your love vanish for for the work.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:07', 'start_time': '33:07', 'text': 'Okay.'},\n {'end_time': '33:11', 'start_time': '33:07', 'text': 'And finally, what is your message to people who are thinking of watching Made in China?'},\n {'end_time': '33:12', 'start_time': '33:11', 'text': 'Why should people go watch this film?'},\n {'end_time': '33:13', 'start_time': '33:12', 'text': \"It's a very unique story.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:17', 'start_time': '33:13', 'text': \"It's, it's highly entertaining, and it will touch you somewhere.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:24', 'start_time': '33:18', 'text': 'And if you want to meet some quirky, funny, relatable characters, then Made in China is your family film.'},\n {'end_time': '33:24', 'start_time': '33:24', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '33:25', 'start_time': '33:24', 'text': '100%.'},\n {'end_time': '33:26', 'start_time': '33:25', 'text': 'Anyway, Rajkumar.'},\n {'end_time': '33:27', 'start_time': '33:26', 'text': 'Thank you, brother.'},\n {'end_time': '33:28', 'start_time': '33:27', 'text': 'My pleasure.'},\n {'end_time': '33:29', 'start_time': '33:28', 'text': 'I hope you enjoyed, like, the conversation.'},\n {'end_time': '33:30', 'start_time': '33:29', 'text': 'I did.'},\n {'end_time': '33:30', 'start_time': '33:30', 'text': 'Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '33:33', 'start_time': '33:30', 'text': 'And, again, guys, make sure you go and watch Made in China very soon.'},\n {'end_time': '33:34', 'start_time': '33:33', 'text': \"It's coming out.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:35', 'start_time': '33:34', 'text': '25th October.'},\n {'end_time': '33:35', 'start_time': '33:35', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '33:36', 'start_time': '33:35', 'text': 'Awesome.'},\n {'end_time': '33:37', 'start_time': '33:36', 'text': 'Good luck for it, man.'},\n {'end_time': '33:41', 'start_time': '33:37', 'text': \"Like, I'm sure, you know, whenever we see you on any movie poster, we know it's gonna be a good movie.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:41', 'start_time': '33:41', 'text': 'Thank you.'},\n {'end_time': '33:43', 'start_time': '33:41', 'text': 'Because we trust your choice that much.'},\n {'end_time': '33:45', 'start_time': '33:43', 'text': \"You've built that reputation over time.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:46', 'start_time': '33:45', 'text': 'This one is good for sure.'},\n {'end_time': '33:46', 'start_time': '33:46', 'text': 'Yeah.'},\n {'end_time': '33:46', 'start_time': '33:46', 'text': 'We know that.'},\n {'end_time': '33:49', 'start_time': '33:46', 'text': \"And I can see how much of your heart you've actually put in this one.\"},\n {'end_time': '33:53', 'start_time': '33:49', 'text': 'Like all your movies, but again, this character is very similar to who you are in real life.'},\n {'end_time': '33:54', 'start_time': '33:53', 'text': 'Okay, Rajwan.'},\n 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