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``` (def printed-objects [CoreLabel TaggedWord Word]) (defn set-print-methods! [print-objects] (doseq [o print-objects] (defmethod print-method o [piece ^java.io.Writer writer] (.write writer (str “#<” (.getSimpleName o) ” ” (.toString piece) “>”))))) (set-print-methods! printed-objects) ```
2017-11-15T22:20:50.000085
Ernesto
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clojure
`(-> “Short and sweet.” tokenize pos-tag)`
2017-11-15T22:21:16.000050
Ernesto
clojurians
clojure
`;;=> [#<TaggedWord Short/JJ> #<TaggedWord and/CC> #<TaggedWord sweet/JJ> #<TaggedWord ./.>]`
2017-11-15T22:21:40.000015
Ernesto
clojurians
clojure
I have two channels. One sends frequent, but low-priority messages. Another sends infrequent, but high-priority messages. I want to process messages from these channels sequentially. If a message is available on the high-priority channel, I want to process that message before the low priority channel is considered. In essence, is there some variant of `alts!` that I can use/build that has a deterministic order in which it takes from channels?
2017-11-16T02:25:59.000180
Nilda
clojurians
clojure
have you read the docstring for `alts!`?
2017-11-16T02:27:35.000010
Rebeca
clojurians
clojure
You can specify `:priority true` after the channel and handler forms to indicate that the channels should be tried in declared order.
2017-11-16T02:39:28.000195
Valorie
clojurians
clojure
hi guys. I'm using Cursive to develop & debug our Clojure apps, often experimenting things with the REPL. I wonder if there is an efficient way to create datastructures in the REPL sourced from a Debug breakpoint - e.g. if I have a complex datastructure, which I'd like to work with in the REPL as well (to test functions, debug etc...), how can I have a var referencing it the easiest way in the REPL? Of course I dont want to type the whole thing in the REPL, but would like to get the data from an app under- debugging (say I have a breakpoint and the object is there)?
2017-11-16T03:31:07.000297
Mirna
clojurians
clojure
<@Mirna> perhaps `def`? It should be generally avoided inside functions but I guess it's fine for debugging. ``` ;; let's say I want to get `m` (defn debug-me [x y] (let [z (* x y) w (Math/pow z x) m {:x x :y y :wz {:z z :w w}}] (def d-m m) (keys m))) (debug-me 4 5) d-m ```
2017-11-16T03:49:02.000512
Terra
clojurians
clojure
<@Terra> <@Mirna> Yes, `def` should work for this. When stopped at your breakpoint, use Evaluate Expression to do something like: `(def test-data-var (my-expr))` - that should work fine.
2017-11-16T03:58:40.000022
Delois
clojurians
clojure
I’m actually planning to try to have the REPL work when stopped at a breakpoint, but there’s some trickiness there when the user changes context (i.e. clicks on a higher stack frame)
2017-11-16T03:59:38.000132
Delois
clojurians
clojure
{:keys [ .... ]} works with unqualified names. Does it also work with qualified names (from other namespaces)? intuition says no, since there could be more than one match, and there's no obvious way which to pick.
2017-11-16T04:01:54.000483
Berry
clojurians
clojure
<https://clojure.org/guides/destructuring#_namespaced_keywords> ?
2017-11-16T04:08:04.000208
Rosia
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clojure
Not really. Binding `*defaults*` isn’t really a done thing. Normally you’d `(merge defaults overrides)`. Can even do patterns like: ``` (def default-sentiment-labels ["foo" "bar"]) (defn my-fn [{:keys [labels] :or {labels default-sentiment-labels}] ,,,) ```
2017-11-16T04:22:18.000042
Magdalena
clojurians
clojure
thanks for the responses <@Terra> <@Delois> <@Berry> Indeed, `def` can be used - was too obviuos for me to find it :slightly_smiling_face:
2017-11-16T04:30:03.000090
Mirna
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clojure
hello folks - just wondering if I can dip into the hive mind for five mins….
2017-11-16T07:34:27.000305
Troy
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clojure
I want to use a resource and have it clean up …. like `with-open`
2017-11-16T07:34:54.000157
Troy
clojurians
clojure
but the resource has a shutdown method rather than a close method
2017-11-16T07:35:20.000015
Troy
clojurians
clojure
do I make my own or is there a more idiomatic alternative?
2017-11-16T07:35:42.000255
Troy
clojurians
clojure
<@Troy> we use a custom macro like this:
2017-11-16T08:17:23.000063
Karolyn
clojurians
clojure
and then something like `(with-cleanup [r (make-resource) .shutdown] ...)`
2017-11-16T08:17:56.000542
Karolyn
clojurians
clojure
thanks <@Karolyn>
2017-11-16T08:18:31.000339
Troy
clojurians
clojure
For the moment I just copied / pasted with-open
2017-11-16T08:18:53.000032
Troy
clojurians
clojure
but yours is nicer as the method can be varied
2017-11-16T08:19:23.000328
Troy
clojurians
clojure
in the end you can also just write out a `(let [r (make-resource)] (try .... (finally (.shutdown r))`
2017-11-16T08:19:43.000005
Karolyn
clojurians
clojure
indeed
2017-11-16T08:21:49.000092
Troy
clojurians
clojure
<@Mirna> if you might also want to use the data in a regression test, I wrote a library that simplifies stashing the clojure data to disk and re-inflating it to use it in test code
2017-11-16T12:47:59.000283
Margaret
clojurians
clojure
In that context, it's fair to say that macros make Lisp a more 'tangible' language than others
2017-11-16T14:32:48.000204
Jeanene
clojurians
clojure
what are some highly-considered db migration libraries (mysql specific?)
2017-11-16T14:46:40.000162
Lori
clojurians
clojure
Calling Flyway (Java lib) from Clojure is just a few lines of code
2017-11-16T14:48:44.000369
Carletta
clojurians
clojure
good point, I always forget I can reach for java :slightly_smiling_face:
2017-11-16T14:51:26.000181
Lori
clojurians
clojure
anybody know if ideaVim, Cursive, and parinfer play well together?
2017-11-16T16:13:44.000089
Antonia
clojurians
clojure
<@Antonia> Mostly, yes. There’s some doc here about problems: <https://github.com/cursive-ide/cursive/wiki/IdeaVim-issues>
2017-11-16T16:15:28.000593
Delois
clojurians
clojure
Certainly there are Cursive users using it, and most seem to consider it more or less EVIL-level emulation.
2017-11-16T16:16:37.000093
Delois
clojurians
clojure
I don’t use it myself so I only have hearsay on that though.
2017-11-16T16:16:48.000550
Delois
clojurians
clojure
<@Delois> you get parinfer 3.0 ported over yet?
2017-11-16T16:17:02.000348
Antonia
clojurians
clojure
I have it mostly done, it’s waiting on a couple of outstanding bugs. Shaun was hopefully going to find time to look at them soon. Once they’re fixed it’ll be good to go.
2017-11-16T16:17:45.000452
Delois
clojurians
clojure
IdeaVim seems to have many issues on its own that are frustrating. I can never get certain leader combinations to work properly
2017-11-16T16:20:35.000294
Antonia
clojurians
clojure
I’m not sure, sorry - I’m not vim-literate myself.
2017-11-16T16:21:54.000482
Delois
clojurians
clojure
they seem to be known issues....I'm resigned to carpal tunnel syndrome on some of the action with some hideous ctrl-alt-shift-....if I just had one more pinkie" combination
2017-11-16T16:26:32.000460
Antonia
clojurians
clojure
Hi, this is beginner stuff, an exercise to re-implement boolean: (defn boolean [x] (if (x == "false") false (if (x == "nil") false true)))
2017-11-16T16:56:04.000442
Katina
clojurians
clojure
but
2017-11-16T16:56:30.000181
Katina
clojurians
clojure
user&gt; (boolean "asd") java.lang.ClassCastException: java.lang.String cannot be cast to clojure.lang.IFn
2017-11-16T16:56:32.000443
Katina
clojurians
clojure
can't understand what's wrong
2017-11-16T16:56:42.000402
Katina
clojurians
clojure
<@Katina> assuming you were wanting to output based on string values `(cond (= x "false") false (= x "nil") false true)`
2017-11-16T16:57:57.000135
Shameka
clojurians
clojure
`(x == "false")` I think you want `(= x "false")`
2017-11-16T16:58:02.000192
Mia
clojurians
clojure
ohh, :slightly_smiling_face:
2017-11-16T16:58:19.000200
Katina
clojurians
clojure
depending on what you’re actually testing for
2017-11-16T16:58:34.000228
Mia
clojurians
clojure
the string `false` or the value `false`
2017-11-16T16:58:51.000291
Mia
clojurians
clojure
but, the root cause, `(x == "false")` is not doing what you think it’s doing
2017-11-16T16:59:23.000423
Mia
clojurians
clojure
there is a <#C053AK3F9|beginners> channel that may be helpful for you
2017-11-16T17:00:11.000340
Mia
clojurians
clojure
yes, this is for the <http://mooc.fi|mooc.fi> course, I'll see how the tests go, but that one was really noob
2017-11-16T17:00:17.000162
Katina
clojurians
clojure
Thanks, and thanks for the suggestion
2017-11-16T17:00:27.000572
Katina
clojurians
clojure
<@Antonia> Years ago I bought one of these and have used one for heavy typing ever since -- not cheap, but way cheaper than wrist surgery. Puts most of those modifier keys under your thumbs, and the keys are programmable, too. <https://www.kinesis-ergo.com/shop/advantage2/>
2017-11-16T17:19:52.000048
Micha
clojurians
clojure
<@Micha> nice. I use this <https://www.microsoft.com/accessories/en-us/products/keyboards/sculpt-ergonomic-desktop/l5v-00001>
2017-11-16T17:29:45.000234
Antonia
clojurians
clojure
<@Micha> nice. I use this <https://www.microsoft.com/accessories/en-us/products/keyboards/sculpt-ergonomic-desktop/l5v-00001>
2017-11-16T17:29:54.000520
Antonia
clojurians
clojure
<@Micha> you use footpedals?
2017-11-16T17:31:12.000174
Antonia
clojurians
clojure
I have them, but have only used them on occasions when I was transcribing some audio lectures, where i mapped foot pedals to play/pause on the audio. I do use VI key bindings inside of Emacs, too, just to be weird, although there are still plenty of control keys I use too often for my own good.
2017-11-16T17:32:29.000248
Micha
clojurians
clojure
(Sorry, Clojure denizens, we can take this privately if it gets too much longer)
2017-11-16T17:32:55.000170
Micha
clojurians
clojure
<@Antonia> sorry to hear about RSI :disappointed: I've owned those mentioned Microsoft and Kinesis in the past (circa 2011). I found them dangerously misleading - I've used Apple keyboards since 2013 - zero pain now, zero contortions (un-natural movements)
2017-11-16T19:24:52.000262
Kristy
clojurians
clojure
I have used Emacs this whole time. It hasn't been a factor of pain, given that since day one I rejected the emacsy way of using the keyboard. all my shortcuts are in the form: command-s ctrl-a alt-e etc. simple stuff. particularly good that one can use three modifiers easily, in Mac
2017-11-16T19:27:24.000197
Kristy
clojurians
clojure
you may read a little about my approach (and my real list of shortcuts) in <https://github.com/vemv/.emacs.d> . my config is not shareable as of today, but I'm working towards that. anyone interested can ping me
2017-11-16T19:29:11.000057
Kristy
clojurians
clojure
--- in general I think I have quite a story to tell, about how I beat wrist pain. Like, it really hurted a few years ago, felt how my career was at risk. did lots of research and found some really good advice buried in a sea of workarounds. as a sad trivia, the only people I've ever met with RSI (or similar) were clojure programmers. and I couldn't really share my advice with them, because normally you can't tell people they're just wrong
2017-11-16T19:32:44.000080
Kristy
clojurians
clojure
--- this "good advice" is a bit complex to tldr, I guess I could record a 20m video for anyone interested
2017-11-16T19:38:57.000212
Kristy
clojurians
clojure
is there a way to alias a namespace without requiring it?
2017-11-16T23:07:11.000096
Herminia
clojurians
clojure
Maybe clojure.core/alias can do that? Not sure.
2017-11-16T23:12:22.000048
Micha
clojurians
clojure
e.g. (alias 'str 'clojure.string) followed by (doc str/join) gives docs for clojure.string/join
2017-11-16T23:14:25.000006
Micha
clojurians
clojure
I have a naming question. I am genuinely tempted to mix camelCase with - . Here is the problem&gt; Suppose I have an object, say update-event then, I have other functions: update-event-new update-event-process update-event-do-foo-bar but then it's not clear to me where the "noun" and the "verb" are separated. Whereas, if I named my event updateEvent then I ca ndo updateEvent-new updateEvent-process updateEvent-doFooBar however, Clojure seems to uniformly dislike camelCase
2017-11-16T23:22:21.000042
Berry
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clojure
oh wait, Protocols use camelCase -- so it's actually acceptable right?
2017-11-16T23:23:26.000221
Berry
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clojure
that’s a red herring - clojure.string is loaded during startup. alias requires the namespace to be loaded to be able to alias it. So the answer to the original question is no. But you can work around that with a call to `create-ns` first
2017-11-16T23:23:29.000017
Sonny
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clojure
Clojure doesn’t care what you do, but other people might :)
2017-11-16T23:24:22.000206
Sonny
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clojure
right, by "Clojure" I meant to say "Clojure Community"
2017-11-16T23:24:52.000080
Berry
clojurians
clojure
why do you need to repeat “updateEvent” in all those names?
2017-11-16T23:25:23.000004
Sonny
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clojure
it seems like the Protocol naming convention sets precedence that it's 'okay to have camelCase for multi word nouns"
2017-11-16T23:25:24.000106
Berry
clojurians
clojure
protocols create Java interfaces under the hood so they steal Java style naming
2017-11-16T23:25:43.000130
Sonny
clojurians
clojure
or at least many people follow that
2017-11-16T23:26:03.000017
Sonny
clojurians
clojure
you only really refer to protocols by name when you implement them though
2017-11-16T23:26:25.000095
Sonny
clojurians
clojure
most clojurists do not use camelCase for nouns, they use kebab case
2017-11-16T23:27:00.000096
Sonny
clojurians
clojure
I have a lot of functions of type signature verb :: foobar -&gt; ... -&gt; ... -&gt; ... -&gt; foobar so I like to have functions of name foobar-verb1 foobar-verb2 foobar-verb3 when 'foobar' and 'verbi' both contain dashes, I find it awkward to read
2017-11-16T23:28:47.000225
Berry
clojurians
clojure
some-noun-name-do-action-one vs someNounName-doActionOne
2017-11-16T23:29:25.000211
Berry
clojurians
clojure
that seems more verbose than most clojure code
2017-11-16T23:29:58.000002
Sonny
clojurians
clojure
why not just (defn verb1 [foobar])
2017-11-16T23:30:14.000053
Sonny
clojurians
clojure
<https://stuartsierra.com/2016/01/09/how-to-name-clojure-functions> has a lot of good advice
2017-11-16T23:31:32.000077
Sonny
clojurians
clojure
<@Sonny>: the suggestion there seems to be lots of small namespaces, and not repeat namespace name
2017-11-16T23:37:49.000080
Berry
clojurians
clojure
I like his suggestions
2017-11-16T23:40:39.000038
Herminia
clojurians
clojure
I don't think I've ever used camelCase in Clojure
2017-11-16T23:40:50.000028
Herminia
clojurians
clojure
I also prefer verbs in front
2017-11-16T23:41:11.000079
Herminia
clojurians
clojure
like a command/imperative
2017-11-16T23:41:21.000031
Herminia
clojurians
clojure
but when I see what you've written above, the first thing that pops into my head is "that's a namespace"
2017-11-16T23:42:00.000122
Herminia
clojurians
clojure
that is, a common prefix for top-level definition names
2017-11-16T23:42:28.000140
Herminia
clojurians
clojure
but the nice thing is it splits the two pieces with a different character, `/`
2017-11-17T00:02:17.000074
Herminia
clojurians
clojure
that could solve the readability issue you're having
2017-11-17T00:02:33.000211
Herminia
clojurians
clojure
I think I'd solve it how the CSS people do: `update-event--new`. But I'd also avoid this problem in the first place by not doing this.
2017-11-17T04:05:16.000346
Jodie
clojurians
clojure
I'm writing some "scripts" that will help to check a few things like status of database tables or marathon tasks for example
2017-11-17T05:08:49.000394
Krystina
clojurians
clojure
the scripts now simply do `log/error` on errors and `log/info` otherwise, however it would be also nice to keep track of all the errors in a data structure
2017-11-17T05:09:36.000118
Krystina
clojurians
clojure
(which is computed across different functions), and exit with failure Exit code in case anything failed
2017-11-17T05:10:08.000290
Krystina
clojurians
clojure
any suggestions about how to do that?
2017-11-17T05:10:49.000259
Krystina
clojurians
clojure
the easiest way would be to use an `atom` maybe, but it would have to be shared across different namespaces or being passed in from `core.clj`
2017-11-17T05:11:21.000396
Krystina
clojurians
clojure
Hi guys I need your help. I want to make a clojure query, but the :where conditions are condition. SO i used cond-&gt;. this works well. but now my problem is that I want to make a clojure function call inside a (‘) or quote. (defn foo [num] (inc num)) (def query ‘[:find ?e :in $ :where ]) (cond-&gt; query (some-condition) (conj ‘[? :data/number ?number]) (some-other-condition) (conj `[~’(&gt; ?number ~(foo 2))])) I get this result: [:find ?e :in $ :where [? :data/number ?number] [(&gt; ?number (clojure.core/unquote (foo 2)))]] What I am trying to achieve is this: [:find ?e :in $ :where [? :data/number ?number] [(&gt; ?number 3)]] Can anyone please help
2017-11-17T05:15:03.000119
Janean
clojurians
clojure
In clojure I do same transformation to the var and then want to store the result by same name. Is this ok to do so? I don't want to invent new var names for this. Eg. `(let [address (cleanup address)] address)`
2017-11-17T05:23:02.000031
Anika
clojurians
clojure
This will work: ``` (cond-&gt; query (some-condition) (conj '[? :data/number ?number]) (some-other-condition) (conj `[(~'&gt; ~'?number ~(foo 2))])) ``` You could write a little helper function to make this easier though. ``` ;; NB: Only use this when you specifically want a list (ie. code). ;; Normally prefer using conj on a vector. (defn append [coll &amp; xs] (concat coll xs)) (cond-&gt; query (some-condition) ;; This is probably supposed to be ?e and not just ? (conj '[?e :data/number ?number]) (some-other-condition) (conj [(append '(&gt; ?number) (foo 2))])) ```
2017-11-17T06:46:08.000030
Giovanna