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310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxxfhy | cpxg0y0 | 1,427,905,218 | 1,427,857,877 | 24 | 13 | This is the best April Fools Day joke on Reddit. | You got me pretty good with that. Good job. | 1 | 47,341 | 1.846154 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxxfhy | cpxilhb | 1,427,905,218 | 1,427,863,005 | 24 | 15 | This is the best April Fools Day joke on Reddit. | I have OP UPDATE blueballs....so good until it was so painful and disappointing. | 1 | 42,213 | 1.6 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxxfhy | cpxsoxh | 1,427,905,218 | 1,427,896,714 | 24 | 14 | This is the best April Fools Day joke on Reddit. | I hate you with the fiery white hot passion of a thousand suns. May fleas infest your armpits and leaches find your naughty areas. | 1 | 8,504 | 1.714286 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxgejj | cpxxfhy | 1,427,858,589 | 1,427,905,218 | 9 | 24 | You magnificent bastard. http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/851/804/7db.gif | This is the best April Fools Day joke on Reddit. | 0 | 46,629 | 2.666667 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxfz5o | cpxxfhy | 1,427,857,780 | 1,427,905,218 | 9 | 24 | Best one so far! | This is the best April Fools Day joke on Reddit. | 0 | 47,438 | 2.666667 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxxfhy | cpxjgb2 | 1,427,905,218 | 1,427,864,910 | 24 | 9 | This is the best April Fools Day joke on Reddit. | ... ... Well played. | 1 | 40,308 | 2.666667 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxxfhy | cpxk2kc | 1,427,905,218 | 1,427,866,372 | 24 | 10 | This is the best April Fools Day joke on Reddit. | I knew this was going to happen. I knew it. And yet, I still clicked. Hoping. Fuck you, OP. | 1 | 38,846 | 2.4 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxjk1j | cpxxfhy | 1,427,865,150 | 1,427,905,218 | 9 | 24 | *sobs* | This is the best April Fools Day joke on Reddit. | 0 | 40,068 | 2.666667 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxqaeb | cpxxfhy | 1,427,890,865 | 1,427,905,218 | 7 | 24 | This is and will be the best thing I've read all day. | This is the best April Fools Day joke on Reddit. | 0 | 14,353 | 3.428571 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxxfhy | cpxt0zb | 1,427,905,218 | 1,427,897,394 | 24 | 6 | This is the best April Fools Day joke on Reddit. | I EVEN SCROLLED TO THE TL;DR TO CHECK FOR TREE FIDDY, BUT YOU HID IT RIGHT BEFORE THAT. I hate everything. Also, beautifully well-written. | 1 | 7,824 | 4 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxxfhy | cpxjhye | 1,427,905,218 | 1,427,865,017 | 24 | 8 | This is the best April Fools Day joke on Reddit. | This is the best thing I've read in this subreddit since I've been here. One day this sub's "safe" will be opened. One day... | 1 | 40,201 | 3 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxnhb2 | cpxxfhy | 1,427,878,886 | 1,427,905,218 | 7 | 24 | Ding Ding Ding...we have a winner! | This is the best April Fools Day joke on Reddit. | 0 | 26,332 | 3.428571 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxvmvr | cpxxfhy | 1,427,902,186 | 1,427,905,218 | 7 | 24 | UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS EDIT: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO | This is the best April Fools Day joke on Reddit. | 0 | 3,032 | 3.428571 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxxfhy | cpxp9yk | 1,427,905,218 | 1,427,887,392 | 24 | 6 | This is the best April Fools Day joke on Reddit. | OP needs to tell us how long ago he came up with this plan. I imagine that he's been waiting 3 months just for this opportunity. Good work. | 1 | 17,826 | 4 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxh6ry | cpxfp2h | 1,427,860,111 | 1,427,857,264 | 23 | 16 | That was the cruelest thing I have seen all day. | *I am a bot whose sole purpose is to improve the timeliness and accuracy of responses in this subreddit.* ---
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> So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): > > Original post here > > So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. > > Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. > > So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. > > My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. > > So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. > > So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. > > And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. > > So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. > > He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! > > He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. > > Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." > > I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! > > **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | 1 | 2,847 | 1.4375 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxg0y0 | cpxh6ry | 1,427,857,877 | 1,427,860,111 | 13 | 23 | You got me pretty good with that. Good job. | That was the cruelest thing I have seen all day. | 0 | 2,234 | 1.769231 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxgejj | cpxh6ry | 1,427,858,589 | 1,427,860,111 | 9 | 23 | You magnificent bastard. http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/851/804/7db.gif | That was the cruelest thing I have seen all day. | 0 | 1,522 | 2.555556 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxfz5o | cpxh6ry | 1,427,857,780 | 1,427,860,111 | 9 | 23 | Best one so far! | That was the cruelest thing I have seen all day. | 0 | 2,331 | 2.555556 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxilhb | cpxg0y0 | 1,427,863,005 | 1,427,857,877 | 15 | 13 | I have OP UPDATE blueballs....so good until it was so painful and disappointing. | You got me pretty good with that. Good job. | 1 | 5,128 | 1.153846 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxsoxh | cpxg0y0 | 1,427,896,714 | 1,427,857,877 | 14 | 13 | I hate you with the fiery white hot passion of a thousand suns. May fleas infest your armpits and leaches find your naughty areas. | You got me pretty good with that. Good job. | 1 | 38,837 | 1.076923 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxg0y0 | cpxfz5o | 1,427,857,877 | 1,427,857,780 | 13 | 9 | You got me pretty good with that. Good job. | Best one so far! | 1 | 97 | 1.444444 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxilhb | cpxgejj | 1,427,863,005 | 1,427,858,589 | 15 | 9 | I have OP UPDATE blueballs....so good until it was so painful and disappointing. | You magnificent bastard. http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/851/804/7db.gif | 1 | 4,416 | 1.666667 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxilhb | cpxfz5o | 1,427,863,005 | 1,427,857,780 | 15 | 9 | I have OP UPDATE blueballs....so good until it was so painful and disappointing. | Best one so far! | 1 | 5,225 | 1.666667 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxgejj | cpxsoxh | 1,427,858,589 | 1,427,896,714 | 9 | 14 | You magnificent bastard. http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/851/804/7db.gif | I hate you with the fiery white hot passion of a thousand suns. May fleas infest your armpits and leaches find your naughty areas. | 0 | 38,125 | 1.555556 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxsoxh | cpxfz5o | 1,427,896,714 | 1,427,857,780 | 14 | 9 | I hate you with the fiery white hot passion of a thousand suns. May fleas infest your armpits and leaches find your naughty areas. | Best one so far! | 1 | 38,934 | 1.555556 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxsoxh | cpxjgb2 | 1,427,896,714 | 1,427,864,910 | 14 | 9 | I hate you with the fiery white hot passion of a thousand suns. May fleas infest your armpits and leaches find your naughty areas. | ... ... Well played. | 1 | 31,804 | 1.555556 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxk2kc | cpxsoxh | 1,427,866,372 | 1,427,896,714 | 10 | 14 | I knew this was going to happen. I knew it. And yet, I still clicked. Hoping. Fuck you, OP. | I hate you with the fiery white hot passion of a thousand suns. May fleas infest your armpits and leaches find your naughty areas. | 0 | 30,342 | 1.4 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxsoxh | cpxjk1j | 1,427,896,714 | 1,427,865,150 | 14 | 9 | I hate you with the fiery white hot passion of a thousand suns. May fleas infest your armpits and leaches find your naughty areas. | *sobs* | 1 | 31,564 | 1.555556 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxsoxh | cpxqaeb | 1,427,896,714 | 1,427,890,865 | 14 | 7 | I hate you with the fiery white hot passion of a thousand suns. May fleas infest your armpits and leaches find your naughty areas. | This is and will be the best thing I've read all day. | 1 | 5,849 | 2 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxjhye | cpxsoxh | 1,427,865,017 | 1,427,896,714 | 8 | 14 | This is the best thing I've read in this subreddit since I've been here. One day this sub's "safe" will be opened. One day... | I hate you with the fiery white hot passion of a thousand suns. May fleas infest your armpits and leaches find your naughty areas. | 0 | 31,697 | 1.75 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxnhb2 | cpxsoxh | 1,427,878,886 | 1,427,896,714 | 7 | 14 | Ding Ding Ding...we have a winner! | I hate you with the fiery white hot passion of a thousand suns. May fleas infest your armpits and leaches find your naughty areas. | 0 | 17,828 | 2 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxsoxh | cpxp9yk | 1,427,896,714 | 1,427,887,392 | 14 | 6 | I hate you with the fiery white hot passion of a thousand suns. May fleas infest your armpits and leaches find your naughty areas. | OP needs to tell us how long ago he came up with this plan. I imagine that he's been waiting 3 months just for this opportunity. Good work. | 1 | 9,322 | 2.333333 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxgejj | cpxk2kc | 1,427,858,589 | 1,427,866,372 | 9 | 10 | You magnificent bastard. http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/851/804/7db.gif | I knew this was going to happen. I knew it. And yet, I still clicked. Hoping. Fuck you, OP. | 0 | 7,783 | 1.111111 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxk2kc | cpxfz5o | 1,427,866,372 | 1,427,857,780 | 10 | 9 | I knew this was going to happen. I knew it. And yet, I still clicked. Hoping. Fuck you, OP. | Best one so far! | 1 | 8,592 | 1.111111 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxk2kc | cpxjgb2 | 1,427,866,372 | 1,427,864,910 | 10 | 9 | I knew this was going to happen. I knew it. And yet, I still clicked. Hoping. Fuck you, OP. | ... ... Well played. | 1 | 1,462 | 1.111111 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxk2kc | cpxjk1j | 1,427,866,372 | 1,427,865,150 | 10 | 9 | I knew this was going to happen. I knew it. And yet, I still clicked. Hoping. Fuck you, OP. | *sobs* | 1 | 1,222 | 1.111111 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxk2kc | cpxjhye | 1,427,866,372 | 1,427,865,017 | 10 | 8 | I knew this was going to happen. I knew it. And yet, I still clicked. Hoping. Fuck you, OP. | This is the best thing I've read in this subreddit since I've been here. One day this sub's "safe" will be opened. One day... | 1 | 1,355 | 1.25 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxjk1j | cpxjhye | 1,427,865,150 | 1,427,865,017 | 9 | 8 | *sobs* | This is the best thing I've read in this subreddit since I've been here. One day this sub's "safe" will be opened. One day... | 1 | 133 | 1.125 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpy3okl | cpxqaeb | 1,427,915,789 | 1,427,890,865 | 8 | 7 | 3.50/3.50, best April Fools' Prank of the year, hands down. I was so excited for an update that I didn't even look at the username. | This is and will be the best thing I've read all day. | 1 | 24,924 | 1.142857 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxp9yk | cpxqaeb | 1,427,887,392 | 1,427,890,865 | 6 | 7 | OP needs to tell us how long ago he came up with this plan. I imagine that he's been waiting 3 months just for this opportunity. Good work. | This is and will be the best thing I've read all day. | 0 | 3,473 | 1.166667 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxvmvr | cpxt0zb | 1,427,902,186 | 1,427,897,394 | 7 | 6 | UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS EDIT: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO | I EVEN SCROLLED TO THE TL;DR TO CHECK FOR TREE FIDDY, BUT YOU HID IT RIGHT BEFORE THAT. I hate everything. Also, beautifully well-written. | 1 | 4,792 | 1.166667 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxt0zb | cpy3okl | 1,427,897,394 | 1,427,915,789 | 6 | 8 | I EVEN SCROLLED TO THE TL;DR TO CHECK FOR TREE FIDDY, BUT YOU HID IT RIGHT BEFORE THAT. I hate everything. Also, beautifully well-written. | 3.50/3.50, best April Fools' Prank of the year, hands down. I was so excited for an update that I didn't even look at the username. | 0 | 18,395 | 1.333333 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpy3okl | cpxnhb2 | 1,427,915,789 | 1,427,878,886 | 8 | 7 | 3.50/3.50, best April Fools' Prank of the year, hands down. I was so excited for an update that I didn't even look at the username. | Ding Ding Ding...we have a winner! | 1 | 36,903 | 1.142857 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxvmvr | cpy3okl | 1,427,902,186 | 1,427,915,789 | 7 | 8 | UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS EDIT: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO | 3.50/3.50, best April Fools' Prank of the year, hands down. I was so excited for an update that I didn't even look at the username. | 0 | 13,603 | 1.142857 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxvmvr | cpxp9yk | 1,427,902,186 | 1,427,887,392 | 7 | 6 | UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS EDIT: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO | OP needs to tell us how long ago he came up with this plan. I imagine that he's been waiting 3 months just for this opportunity. Good work. | 1 | 14,794 | 1.166667 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpy3okl | cpxp9yk | 1,427,915,789 | 1,427,887,392 | 8 | 6 | 3.50/3.50, best April Fools' Prank of the year, hands down. I was so excited for an update that I didn't even look at the username. | OP needs to tell us how long ago he came up with this plan. I imagine that he's been waiting 3 months just for this opportunity. Good work. | 1 | 28,397 | 1.333333 |
2o3g9g | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Neighbors stupidly caused themselves to be landlocked. Are we going to be legally required to share our private road? Here is a picture of the land area. State: MN. The vertical gray strip on the left side of the image is the public main road. I own the land in pink. Our private road we use to access it is entirely on our land (surrounded by pink, denoted by "our road"). It has a locked gate and the sides of our land that are against roads are fenced. We have remotes for it or can open/close it from our house. The neighbor used to own the land in blue AND purple, but sold the purple land to someone else a couple of weeks ago. They accessed their property by a gravel road on the purple land before, but the person who owns it now is planning on getting rid of that gravel road. Apparently when they sold the land they were assuming they could start using our private driveway instead. They didn't actually check with us first. They've effectively landlocked themselves, ultimately. The neighbors want to use our road (denoted in gray) and make a gravel road from our road onto their property in blue that they still own. We have had some heated discussions about it and things went downhill fast. They say that by not giving them access to our private road we are infringing the rights of their property ownership. Now they are threatening to sue us. If they sue, is it likely that a judge would require us to let them use our road? Do we need to lawyer up? THanks | cmjdbtp | cmjeh6g | 1,417,563,182 | 1,417,565,336 | 398 | 494 | Going by general principles of easements and property transfers: When blue severed his parcel into blue and purple, he should have reserved an easement across purple. You have no legal relationship with blue and no duty to provide blue with access. That blue did not check with you for permission first is not your problem. An easement is a "burden" on title. A parcel of land carrying an easement is (at least in theory) reduced in value to some extent. Thus, a neighboring landowner with whom you have no legal relationship cannot impose a burden on your land. Something you do has to give rise to the easement. I cannot imagine your neighbor having *any* recourse against you whatsoever. If he were the purple guy and sold off the blue portion to a third party, *that party* could claim an easement by implication (or by necessity) against purple. Court assumes that the purchaser wouldn't have made the purchase without assuming he'd have access. It's a little different in blue's case. He *may or may not* be able to claim an easement against purple. Against *you*, can't see it. Don't worry about an attorney unless he sues you. If you decide to allow him access or reach some kind of settlement, make sure to use a written lease that shows that he has your permission to use the access. You want it in writing. He may have no intention of attempting to gain an easement by prescription, and your state's laws may not allow it under these conditions. But a writing is cheap to do and defeats any claim of easement by prescription. (Prescriptive easement is when you are unaware of or ignore your neighbor using your land for a long period of time, such that he can later claim a right to use it indefinitely. Giving explicit permission to use the land defeats this since it shows you were aware of and not ignoring your rights.) Google "MN easement by necessity" and look at the top unsponsored link. I'd paste the link but my browser is making it unintelligible. Anyway, it's a link to a PDF that appears to discuss easements in MN. I can't vouch for it since I'm not barred in MN, but it appears to cover the ground. | Not advice, but THANK YOU for bringing a fresh, well explained and documented novel issue to this sub and thanks to all the commenters for providing thoughtful responses. Reminds me of the good ol days of this sub. | 0 | 2,154 | 1.241206 |
2o3g9g | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Neighbors stupidly caused themselves to be landlocked. Are we going to be legally required to share our private road? Here is a picture of the land area. State: MN. The vertical gray strip on the left side of the image is the public main road. I own the land in pink. Our private road we use to access it is entirely on our land (surrounded by pink, denoted by "our road"). It has a locked gate and the sides of our land that are against roads are fenced. We have remotes for it or can open/close it from our house. The neighbor used to own the land in blue AND purple, but sold the purple land to someone else a couple of weeks ago. They accessed their property by a gravel road on the purple land before, but the person who owns it now is planning on getting rid of that gravel road. Apparently when they sold the land they were assuming they could start using our private driveway instead. They didn't actually check with us first. They've effectively landlocked themselves, ultimately. The neighbors want to use our road (denoted in gray) and make a gravel road from our road onto their property in blue that they still own. We have had some heated discussions about it and things went downhill fast. They say that by not giving them access to our private road we are infringing the rights of their property ownership. Now they are threatening to sue us. If they sue, is it likely that a judge would require us to let them use our road? Do we need to lawyer up? THanks | cmjeh6g | cmjefnb | 1,417,565,336 | 1,417,565,254 | 494 | 93 | Not advice, but THANK YOU for bringing a fresh, well explained and documented novel issue to this sub and thanks to all the commenters for providing thoughtful responses. Reminds me of the good ol days of this sub. | Read this -- your answer is in here and I don't think the other side can get an easement out of your property just because they need it. http://olson-law.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Establishing-Access-to-Real-Property-MSPS-2011.pdf What makes this so ridiculous is they could have so easily reserved an easement from the property they sold. And without even talking to you they did this? They're idiots. I suspect they will have a good legal malpractice claim next as their real estate attorney must be incompetent if he didn't warn them of this. See this: The Court of Appeals stated in Lake George Park, L.L.C. that, unless the party claiming an implied easement is claiming against the person who was the owner at the time of severance, the use must have been continuous and apparent: ―Appellant cites no Minnesota case where an easement of necessity was implied for the benefit of a party remote to the severing transaction without a showing of apparent and continued use. This court, as an error correcting court, is without authority to change the law. Lake George Park, L.L.C. v. IBM Mid America Employees, 576 N.W.2d 463, 466 (Minn. Ct. App. 1998). Here, they've never had use of your property. And your property and theirs was never joined at the time of the severance. I think a prescriptive easement is far more likely as to the recent buyer than from you. Continuous use at the time of severance. | 1 | 82 | 5.311828 |
2o3g9g | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Neighbors stupidly caused themselves to be landlocked. Are we going to be legally required to share our private road? Here is a picture of the land area. State: MN. The vertical gray strip on the left side of the image is the public main road. I own the land in pink. Our private road we use to access it is entirely on our land (surrounded by pink, denoted by "our road"). It has a locked gate and the sides of our land that are against roads are fenced. We have remotes for it or can open/close it from our house. The neighbor used to own the land in blue AND purple, but sold the purple land to someone else a couple of weeks ago. They accessed their property by a gravel road on the purple land before, but the person who owns it now is planning on getting rid of that gravel road. Apparently when they sold the land they were assuming they could start using our private driveway instead. They didn't actually check with us first. They've effectively landlocked themselves, ultimately. The neighbors want to use our road (denoted in gray) and make a gravel road from our road onto their property in blue that they still own. We have had some heated discussions about it and things went downhill fast. They say that by not giving them access to our private road we are infringing the rights of their property ownership. Now they are threatening to sue us. If they sue, is it likely that a judge would require us to let them use our road? Do we need to lawyer up? THanks | cmjd0ih | cmjeh6g | 1,417,562,608 | 1,417,565,336 | 86 | 494 | I can't offer any advice, but please don't forget to update us on how this one pans out. I have to know how a judge is going to handle this stupid property owner. Did they not plan ahead? What were they thinking? | Not advice, but THANK YOU for bringing a fresh, well explained and documented novel issue to this sub and thanks to all the commenters for providing thoughtful responses. Reminds me of the good ol days of this sub. | 0 | 2,728 | 5.744186 |
2o3g9g | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Neighbors stupidly caused themselves to be landlocked. Are we going to be legally required to share our private road? Here is a picture of the land area. State: MN. The vertical gray strip on the left side of the image is the public main road. I own the land in pink. Our private road we use to access it is entirely on our land (surrounded by pink, denoted by "our road"). It has a locked gate and the sides of our land that are against roads are fenced. We have remotes for it or can open/close it from our house. The neighbor used to own the land in blue AND purple, but sold the purple land to someone else a couple of weeks ago. They accessed their property by a gravel road on the purple land before, but the person who owns it now is planning on getting rid of that gravel road. Apparently when they sold the land they were assuming they could start using our private driveway instead. They didn't actually check with us first. They've effectively landlocked themselves, ultimately. The neighbors want to use our road (denoted in gray) and make a gravel road from our road onto their property in blue that they still own. We have had some heated discussions about it and things went downhill fast. They say that by not giving them access to our private road we are infringing the rights of their property ownership. Now they are threatening to sue us. If they sue, is it likely that a judge would require us to let them use our road? Do we need to lawyer up? THanks | cmjeh6g | cmjecfo | 1,417,565,336 | 1,417,565,082 | 494 | 69 | Not advice, but THANK YOU for bringing a fresh, well explained and documented novel issue to this sub and thanks to all the commenters for providing thoughtful responses. Reminds me of the good ol days of this sub. | Somewhere, my 1L property professor is laughing at me and my class . . . This seems like a straight up Hypo from an exam. Everyone else seems to have covered it very well. I came to discuss easements and property transfers, but they have it. Please keep us updated! This is very interesting, though I am sorry you are having to go through it! | 1 | 254 | 7.15942 |
2o3g9g | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Neighbors stupidly caused themselves to be landlocked. Are we going to be legally required to share our private road? Here is a picture of the land area. State: MN. The vertical gray strip on the left side of the image is the public main road. I own the land in pink. Our private road we use to access it is entirely on our land (surrounded by pink, denoted by "our road"). It has a locked gate and the sides of our land that are against roads are fenced. We have remotes for it or can open/close it from our house. The neighbor used to own the land in blue AND purple, but sold the purple land to someone else a couple of weeks ago. They accessed their property by a gravel road on the purple land before, but the person who owns it now is planning on getting rid of that gravel road. Apparently when they sold the land they were assuming they could start using our private driveway instead. They didn't actually check with us first. They've effectively landlocked themselves, ultimately. The neighbors want to use our road (denoted in gray) and make a gravel road from our road onto their property in blue that they still own. We have had some heated discussions about it and things went downhill fast. They say that by not giving them access to our private road we are infringing the rights of their property ownership. Now they are threatening to sue us. If they sue, is it likely that a judge would require us to let them use our road? Do we need to lawyer up? THanks | cmjd0ih | cmjdbtp | 1,417,562,608 | 1,417,563,182 | 86 | 398 | I can't offer any advice, but please don't forget to update us on how this one pans out. I have to know how a judge is going to handle this stupid property owner. Did they not plan ahead? What were they thinking? | Going by general principles of easements and property transfers: When blue severed his parcel into blue and purple, he should have reserved an easement across purple. You have no legal relationship with blue and no duty to provide blue with access. That blue did not check with you for permission first is not your problem. An easement is a "burden" on title. A parcel of land carrying an easement is (at least in theory) reduced in value to some extent. Thus, a neighboring landowner with whom you have no legal relationship cannot impose a burden on your land. Something you do has to give rise to the easement. I cannot imagine your neighbor having *any* recourse against you whatsoever. If he were the purple guy and sold off the blue portion to a third party, *that party* could claim an easement by implication (or by necessity) against purple. Court assumes that the purchaser wouldn't have made the purchase without assuming he'd have access. It's a little different in blue's case. He *may or may not* be able to claim an easement against purple. Against *you*, can't see it. Don't worry about an attorney unless he sues you. If you decide to allow him access or reach some kind of settlement, make sure to use a written lease that shows that he has your permission to use the access. You want it in writing. He may have no intention of attempting to gain an easement by prescription, and your state's laws may not allow it under these conditions. But a writing is cheap to do and defeats any claim of easement by prescription. (Prescriptive easement is when you are unaware of or ignore your neighbor using your land for a long period of time, such that he can later claim a right to use it indefinitely. Giving explicit permission to use the land defeats this since it shows you were aware of and not ignoring your rights.) Google "MN easement by necessity" and look at the top unsponsored link. I'd paste the link but my browser is making it unintelligible. Anyway, it's a link to a PDF that appears to discuss easements in MN. I can't vouch for it since I'm not barred in MN, but it appears to cover the ground. | 0 | 574 | 4.627907 |
2o3g9g | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Neighbors stupidly caused themselves to be landlocked. Are we going to be legally required to share our private road? Here is a picture of the land area. State: MN. The vertical gray strip on the left side of the image is the public main road. I own the land in pink. Our private road we use to access it is entirely on our land (surrounded by pink, denoted by "our road"). It has a locked gate and the sides of our land that are against roads are fenced. We have remotes for it or can open/close it from our house. The neighbor used to own the land in blue AND purple, but sold the purple land to someone else a couple of weeks ago. They accessed their property by a gravel road on the purple land before, but the person who owns it now is planning on getting rid of that gravel road. Apparently when they sold the land they were assuming they could start using our private driveway instead. They didn't actually check with us first. They've effectively landlocked themselves, ultimately. The neighbors want to use our road (denoted in gray) and make a gravel road from our road onto their property in blue that they still own. We have had some heated discussions about it and things went downhill fast. They say that by not giving them access to our private road we are infringing the rights of their property ownership. Now they are threatening to sue us. If they sue, is it likely that a judge would require us to let them use our road? Do we need to lawyer up? THanks | cmjd0ih | cmjefnb | 1,417,562,608 | 1,417,565,254 | 86 | 93 | I can't offer any advice, but please don't forget to update us on how this one pans out. I have to know how a judge is going to handle this stupid property owner. Did they not plan ahead? What were they thinking? | Read this -- your answer is in here and I don't think the other side can get an easement out of your property just because they need it. http://olson-law.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Establishing-Access-to-Real-Property-MSPS-2011.pdf What makes this so ridiculous is they could have so easily reserved an easement from the property they sold. And without even talking to you they did this? They're idiots. I suspect they will have a good legal malpractice claim next as their real estate attorney must be incompetent if he didn't warn them of this. See this: The Court of Appeals stated in Lake George Park, L.L.C. that, unless the party claiming an implied easement is claiming against the person who was the owner at the time of severance, the use must have been continuous and apparent: ―Appellant cites no Minnesota case where an easement of necessity was implied for the benefit of a party remote to the severing transaction without a showing of apparent and continued use. This court, as an error correcting court, is without authority to change the law. Lake George Park, L.L.C. v. IBM Mid America Employees, 576 N.W.2d 463, 466 (Minn. Ct. App. 1998). Here, they've never had use of your property. And your property and theirs was never joined at the time of the severance. I think a prescriptive easement is far more likely as to the recent buyer than from you. Continuous use at the time of severance. | 0 | 2,646 | 1.081395 |
2o3g9g | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Neighbors stupidly caused themselves to be landlocked. Are we going to be legally required to share our private road? Here is a picture of the land area. State: MN. The vertical gray strip on the left side of the image is the public main road. I own the land in pink. Our private road we use to access it is entirely on our land (surrounded by pink, denoted by "our road"). It has a locked gate and the sides of our land that are against roads are fenced. We have remotes for it or can open/close it from our house. The neighbor used to own the land in blue AND purple, but sold the purple land to someone else a couple of weeks ago. They accessed their property by a gravel road on the purple land before, but the person who owns it now is planning on getting rid of that gravel road. Apparently when they sold the land they were assuming they could start using our private driveway instead. They didn't actually check with us first. They've effectively landlocked themselves, ultimately. The neighbors want to use our road (denoted in gray) and make a gravel road from our road onto their property in blue that they still own. We have had some heated discussions about it and things went downhill fast. They say that by not giving them access to our private road we are infringing the rights of their property ownership. Now they are threatening to sue us. If they sue, is it likely that a judge would require us to let them use our road? Do we need to lawyer up? THanks | cmjecfo | cmjefnb | 1,417,565,082 | 1,417,565,254 | 69 | 93 | Somewhere, my 1L property professor is laughing at me and my class . . . This seems like a straight up Hypo from an exam. Everyone else seems to have covered it very well. I came to discuss easements and property transfers, but they have it. Please keep us updated! This is very interesting, though I am sorry you are having to go through it! | Read this -- your answer is in here and I don't think the other side can get an easement out of your property just because they need it. http://olson-law.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Establishing-Access-to-Real-Property-MSPS-2011.pdf What makes this so ridiculous is they could have so easily reserved an easement from the property they sold. And without even talking to you they did this? They're idiots. I suspect they will have a good legal malpractice claim next as their real estate attorney must be incompetent if he didn't warn them of this. See this: The Court of Appeals stated in Lake George Park, L.L.C. that, unless the party claiming an implied easement is claiming against the person who was the owner at the time of severance, the use must have been continuous and apparent: ―Appellant cites no Minnesota case where an easement of necessity was implied for the benefit of a party remote to the severing transaction without a showing of apparent and continued use. This court, as an error correcting court, is without authority to change the law. Lake George Park, L.L.C. v. IBM Mid America Employees, 576 N.W.2d 463, 466 (Minn. Ct. App. 1998). Here, they've never had use of your property. And your property and theirs was never joined at the time of the severance. I think a prescriptive easement is far more likely as to the recent buyer than from you. Continuous use at the time of severance. | 0 | 172 | 1.347826 |
2o3g9g | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Neighbors stupidly caused themselves to be landlocked. Are we going to be legally required to share our private road? Here is a picture of the land area. State: MN. The vertical gray strip on the left side of the image is the public main road. I own the land in pink. Our private road we use to access it is entirely on our land (surrounded by pink, denoted by "our road"). It has a locked gate and the sides of our land that are against roads are fenced. We have remotes for it or can open/close it from our house. The neighbor used to own the land in blue AND purple, but sold the purple land to someone else a couple of weeks ago. They accessed their property by a gravel road on the purple land before, but the person who owns it now is planning on getting rid of that gravel road. Apparently when they sold the land they were assuming they could start using our private driveway instead. They didn't actually check with us first. They've effectively landlocked themselves, ultimately. The neighbors want to use our road (denoted in gray) and make a gravel road from our road onto their property in blue that they still own. We have had some heated discussions about it and things went downhill fast. They say that by not giving them access to our private road we are infringing the rights of their property ownership. Now they are threatening to sue us. If they sue, is it likely that a judge would require us to let them use our road? Do we need to lawyer up? THanks | cmjru1w | cmjig49 | 1,417,597,343 | 1,417,572,776 | 58 | 43 | Surprised no one else has said this yet: Just to avoid any "misunderstanding", send your neighbor a letter, certified return receipt requested, stating that they do not have permission to use your land or driveway, and that any use of your land will be considered trespassing. Because I can 100% guarantee if they do trespass and you call the cops, they are going to say they had permission. When you whip out the letter and show they are liars, they will be in trouble. | Honestly, your neighbor has made a very expensive problem for himself. At this point, he will lose any case against you. He can sue the owner of the purple property and you may get joined to the case. In my opinion, the likely outcome is the blue owner will get an easement over the gravel drive of purple's property and have to contribute to the maintenance of that road. The purple will probably counter sue to recoup a portion of the sale price of the parcel or to have the contract between blue and purple rescinded all together. The whole process will likely cost the blue property owner a lot of money in litigation cost and he will look to settle. The option of you having to grant an easement is pretty remote, but you should be on the look-out for a case. If you get pulled into litigation get a lawyer and make sure they request your legal fees and costs be paid by the blue party that pulled you into the case. Don't let the blue property owner use your driveway. Keep records of any correspondence you have with the other property owners. Record phone calls if you have too. Wait on retaining a lawyer, until the other property owner sues. | 1 | 24,567 | 1.348837 |
2o3g9g | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Neighbors stupidly caused themselves to be landlocked. Are we going to be legally required to share our private road? Here is a picture of the land area. State: MN. The vertical gray strip on the left side of the image is the public main road. I own the land in pink. Our private road we use to access it is entirely on our land (surrounded by pink, denoted by "our road"). It has a locked gate and the sides of our land that are against roads are fenced. We have remotes for it or can open/close it from our house. The neighbor used to own the land in blue AND purple, but sold the purple land to someone else a couple of weeks ago. They accessed their property by a gravel road on the purple land before, but the person who owns it now is planning on getting rid of that gravel road. Apparently when they sold the land they were assuming they could start using our private driveway instead. They didn't actually check with us first. They've effectively landlocked themselves, ultimately. The neighbors want to use our road (denoted in gray) and make a gravel road from our road onto their property in blue that they still own. We have had some heated discussions about it and things went downhill fast. They say that by not giving them access to our private road we are infringing the rights of their property ownership. Now they are threatening to sue us. If they sue, is it likely that a judge would require us to let them use our road? Do we need to lawyer up? THanks | cmjjegt | cmjru1w | 1,417,574,588 | 1,417,597,343 | 32 | 58 | Bearing in mind I'm not from the US and am talking straight from my lower colon... It was said elsewhere that you don't need a lawyer until you hear from the neighbours' lawyer, but I think you need to see one straight away. It's fairly accepted in this thread that any easement should go on the purple property and not on yours. The only instance a judge should order otherwise is if it's too costly to establish an easement once the purples have started erecting fences, tearing up the road and housing animals there. If that starts happening you have less and less chance that a judge will let you keep your road to yourself. I think you need a lawyer to get an injunction against the purples from starting any construction on the road, and you need to commence interpleader proceedings between your neighbour and the purples to force them to figure out the easement issue. I have no idea if you'll be able to do that, a smart lawyer in your jurisdiction will. At the moment your neighbours are avoiding fighting each other and are dragging you in. They need to be fighting each other. An easement should go in, the purples should be entitled to damages or rescission of their real estate contract for the vendors idiocy, and your neighbour should be suing his conveyancers as was stated elsewhere. But I would try everything possible to nip this in the bud before it's too late. | Surprised no one else has said this yet: Just to avoid any "misunderstanding", send your neighbor a letter, certified return receipt requested, stating that they do not have permission to use your land or driveway, and that any use of your land will be considered trespassing. Because I can 100% guarantee if they do trespass and you call the cops, they are going to say they had permission. When you whip out the letter and show they are liars, they will be in trouble. | 0 | 22,755 | 1.8125 |
wpzkx9 | legaladvice_train | 0.88 | I'm(M33) a non offending parent. DCS has taken 9 months to get DNA results. Feel like my child has been stolen from me. Indianapolis, IN. Haven't done anything wrong. All the court wanted is DNA since birth. I took me 9 months of daily calls to finally get DNA taken and to get the results. My case is so old, nobody still works there involved with my case. They said they only have 1 person that covers all of Indianapolis. Well they removed him from his job without a replacement. My attorney is a DCS attorney and doesn't seem to be helping, and I think he actually quit DCS as well. Several emails, call, and texts. What do I do? Do my daughter and I have rights? Can I hold DCS accountable for their negligence? Not to mention they lost my original DNA swabs. Is this not a HIPPA violation? Are there laws that protect families for this situation? My daughter is beyond in need of their services. How is it legal to take someone's child when all that's asked by the court is a DNA test? They can take my child for a year because of their negligence? How are there not laws that protect families from these situations? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. | ikk0104 | ikk9luj | 1,660,675,741 | 1,660,679,380 | 13 | 48 | Not a lawyer but I would suggest going to your local and federal representatives. They have staff who can assist with bureaucratic red tape | Not a lawyer, but worked with criminal and family courts for years. Return to the Court that requested the DNA testing. The Court asked for proof of paternity and now you have it. The Court can subpoena the DNA records from the lab you used. Once the Court is satisfied with the test results (legitimate, Court recognized lab, results provided according to the rules of evidence, etc) the Court can declare you the father and then move forward with custody. It may take a couple of hearings. Try to be patient. If you can afford to do so, hiring an attorney may speed this process up, and will certainly increase your chances of having all this info presented to the Court in an appropriate way. The delays by DFS will be relevant to the point of why it has taken so long to comply with the Court's order to get the DNA testing done. Providing a 1-3 page summary of your efforts, phone calls and emails and DFS responses will be helpful. Date and action/response only. Also, copies of phone records and emails/texts would be beneficial. This will show the Court you bent over backwards to do as the Court ordered in a timely manner; but, due to DFS, you've already been apart from her for 9 months. The Court will likely not be surprised. They are well aware of what goes on at DFS.... I hope everything works out well for your little girl. ADDED: To get the hearing before the judge, go to the Court Clerk's office and complete a request for a review hearing. (Ask the clerk. It may be called something different there. Notice of the hearing hearing should go to DFS, the child's attorney and your DFS attorney. Also, the CASA worker, if one has been appointed.) The hearing will likely be set out 3-4 weeks, to provide time for everyone to receive notice and prepare. | 0 | 3,639 | 3.692308 |
wpzkx9 | legaladvice_train | 0.88 | I'm(M33) a non offending parent. DCS has taken 9 months to get DNA results. Feel like my child has been stolen from me. Indianapolis, IN. Haven't done anything wrong. All the court wanted is DNA since birth. I took me 9 months of daily calls to finally get DNA taken and to get the results. My case is so old, nobody still works there involved with my case. They said they only have 1 person that covers all of Indianapolis. Well they removed him from his job without a replacement. My attorney is a DCS attorney and doesn't seem to be helping, and I think he actually quit DCS as well. Several emails, call, and texts. What do I do? Do my daughter and I have rights? Can I hold DCS accountable for their negligence? Not to mention they lost my original DNA swabs. Is this not a HIPPA violation? Are there laws that protect families for this situation? My daughter is beyond in need of their services. How is it legal to take someone's child when all that's asked by the court is a DNA test? They can take my child for a year because of their negligence? How are there not laws that protect families from these situations? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. | ikk1sgb | ikk9luj | 1,660,676,394 | 1,660,679,380 | 7 | 48 | I am not a lawyer and I do not have any experience in Indiana; child welfare law varies greatly from state to state so my experience in the field is of only limited utility. That said, I think you need a private attorney to look into how to pursue having the court recognize you as a putative father during the periodic review hearings that should be held on your daughter's case approximately every six months. A private attorney could also discuss whether you have any cause of action against the agency here, though I personally wouldn't get your hopes up as even insofar as this may be a violation of the laws governing child welfare in Indiana (and I don't know for certain that it would be), the response is almost certainly going to be regulatory in nature if one is to be had at all, though I'm not sure if the legal obligation for DCS to establish your paternity for you actually exists (again, I'm not familiar with Indiana well enough to say). But this is certainly well into the territory where you want your own private representation - a DCS-provided attorney is not going to be of much utility if you aren't actually seen as a party to the case (and I'm actually confused as to why they would provide you with one if you aren't... I'm wondering if that's why you aren't getting any responsiveness from them). | Not a lawyer, but worked with criminal and family courts for years. Return to the Court that requested the DNA testing. The Court asked for proof of paternity and now you have it. The Court can subpoena the DNA records from the lab you used. Once the Court is satisfied with the test results (legitimate, Court recognized lab, results provided according to the rules of evidence, etc) the Court can declare you the father and then move forward with custody. It may take a couple of hearings. Try to be patient. If you can afford to do so, hiring an attorney may speed this process up, and will certainly increase your chances of having all this info presented to the Court in an appropriate way. The delays by DFS will be relevant to the point of why it has taken so long to comply with the Court's order to get the DNA testing done. Providing a 1-3 page summary of your efforts, phone calls and emails and DFS responses will be helpful. Date and action/response only. Also, copies of phone records and emails/texts would be beneficial. This will show the Court you bent over backwards to do as the Court ordered in a timely manner; but, due to DFS, you've already been apart from her for 9 months. The Court will likely not be surprised. They are well aware of what goes on at DFS.... I hope everything works out well for your little girl. ADDED: To get the hearing before the judge, go to the Court Clerk's office and complete a request for a review hearing. (Ask the clerk. It may be called something different there. Notice of the hearing hearing should go to DFS, the child's attorney and your DFS attorney. Also, the CASA worker, if one has been appointed.) The hearing will likely be set out 3-4 weeks, to provide time for everyone to receive notice and prepare. | 0 | 2,986 | 6.857143 |
oli3ea | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Got called by out of state police saying a report has been filed against me for theft - I left the product on the buyer's bed. Throwaway account for obvious reasons. ​ I live in state A and drove to \[MA\] to deliver a laptop that someone wanted to purchase from me. To preface the story: 1. The individual said he wouldn't be there to claim delivery 2. The individual told me that a lot of people lived at the house 3. The individual told me he would have someone let me in to the house. I drive, get there, and drop off the laptop. I do a few things: 1. Make sure to say hi and bye to the person that let me in 2. Took a video of the laptop on the buyer's bed Buyer paid me through Zelle. I leave, go home, and think nothing of it. Fast forward a week and I get a call from his police department and the buyer is claiming I scammed him. He has not provided any proof of how he's come to this conclusion. I'm at a loss of how to go forward with the situation. | h5ehrgz | h5eha7q | 1,626,446,636 | 1,626,446,427 | 831 | 108 | > his police department and the buyer is claiming I scammed him The police don't usually do this. You follow up with them through a direct call? Because it sounds like a scam | This sounds like scam to me, and I bet the next request will be for you to refund the money. If it is legitimate, don't talk to the police. It is their job to investigate, in the unlikely event they take you into custody, don't talk to them and ask for an attorney. | 1 | 209 | 7.694444 |
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Title: **Got called by out of state police saying a report has been filed against me for theft - I left the product on the buyer's bed.**
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> Throwaway account for obvious reasons. > > > > I live in state A and drove to \MA\] to deliver a laptop that someone wanted to purchase from me. To preface the story: > > 1. The individual said he wouldn't be there to claim delivery > 2. The individual told me that a lot of people lived at the house > 3. The individual told me he would have someone let me in to the house. > > I drive, get there, and drop off the laptop. I do a few things: > > 1. Make sure to say hi and bye to the person that let me in > 2. Took a video of the laptop on the buyer's bed > > Buyer paid me through Zelle. I leave, go home, and think nothing of it. Fast forward a week and I get a call from his police department and the buyer is claiming I scammed him. He has not provided any proof of how he's come to this conclusion. I'm at a loss of how to go forward with the situation.
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oli3ea | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Got called by out of state police saying a report has been filed against me for theft - I left the product on the buyer's bed. Throwaway account for obvious reasons. ​ I live in state A and drove to \[MA\] to deliver a laptop that someone wanted to purchase from me. To preface the story: 1. The individual said he wouldn't be there to claim delivery 2. The individual told me that a lot of people lived at the house 3. The individual told me he would have someone let me in to the house. I drive, get there, and drop off the laptop. I do a few things: 1. Make sure to say hi and bye to the person that let me in 2. Took a video of the laptop on the buyer's bed Buyer paid me through Zelle. I leave, go home, and think nothing of it. Fast forward a week and I get a call from his police department and the buyer is claiming I scammed him. He has not provided any proof of how he's come to this conclusion. I'm at a loss of how to go forward with the situation. | h5g5dgz | h5g5j5a | 1,626,472,451 | 1,626,472,526 | 3 | 13 | If you can try and get your GPS data from your phone showing you went to his house. Because why else would you go there. | The buyer cannot file charges. He can file a police report, but only the prosecuting attorney can file charges. Which he won’t. This is a civil matter. | 0 | 75 | 4.333333 |
oli3ea | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Got called by out of state police saying a report has been filed against me for theft - I left the product on the buyer's bed. Throwaway account for obvious reasons. ​ I live in state A and drove to \[MA\] to deliver a laptop that someone wanted to purchase from me. To preface the story: 1. The individual said he wouldn't be there to claim delivery 2. The individual told me that a lot of people lived at the house 3. The individual told me he would have someone let me in to the house. I drive, get there, and drop off the laptop. I do a few things: 1. Make sure to say hi and bye to the person that let me in 2. Took a video of the laptop on the buyer's bed Buyer paid me through Zelle. I leave, go home, and think nothing of it. Fast forward a week and I get a call from his police department and the buyer is claiming I scammed him. He has not provided any proof of how he's come to this conclusion. I'm at a loss of how to go forward with the situation. | h5hai5x | h5h2u5y | 1,626,494,031 | 1,626,489,563 | 5 | 3 | This is likely a scam. Everytime I sell something online and hand it off to someone in person, they try something like this. Even if I videotaped the exchange and have documents of the serial numbers and hardware. It’s most likely posturing and very unlikely something will come of it. The videotape is helpful, also you said you drove across state lines. I’m guessing this was a fair distance. Any documentation or receipts you may have gas, food, etc, of the date of the exchange could also bolster your case. Why would someone drive to another state to not deliver a product? If they didn’t get it, why did they pay you? If they didn’t get it, why not contact you? If they didn’t get it, why wait a week to file a police report? If you do get served just show up to court with your documentation. Also, keep an eye on the form of payment and make sure they haven’t filed a protest or claim against it. I’m not sure how Zella handles these things, but unscrupulous buyers do stuff like this with PayPal and it can be an infuriating and burdensome process. Best of Luck. | I think you’re the one being scammed. | 1 | 4,468 | 1.666667 |
oli3ea | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Got called by out of state police saying a report has been filed against me for theft - I left the product on the buyer's bed. Throwaway account for obvious reasons. ​ I live in state A and drove to \[MA\] to deliver a laptop that someone wanted to purchase from me. To preface the story: 1. The individual said he wouldn't be there to claim delivery 2. The individual told me that a lot of people lived at the house 3. The individual told me he would have someone let me in to the house. I drive, get there, and drop off the laptop. I do a few things: 1. Make sure to say hi and bye to the person that let me in 2. Took a video of the laptop on the buyer's bed Buyer paid me through Zelle. I leave, go home, and think nothing of it. Fast forward a week and I get a call from his police department and the buyer is claiming I scammed him. He has not provided any proof of how he's come to this conclusion. I'm at a loss of how to go forward with the situation. | h5hai5x | h5egv7d | 1,626,494,031 | 1,626,446,242 | 5 | 3 | This is likely a scam. Everytime I sell something online and hand it off to someone in person, they try something like this. Even if I videotaped the exchange and have documents of the serial numbers and hardware. It’s most likely posturing and very unlikely something will come of it. The videotape is helpful, also you said you drove across state lines. I’m guessing this was a fair distance. Any documentation or receipts you may have gas, food, etc, of the date of the exchange could also bolster your case. Why would someone drive to another state to not deliver a product? If they didn’t get it, why did they pay you? If they didn’t get it, why not contact you? If they didn’t get it, why wait a week to file a police report? If you do get served just show up to court with your documentation. Also, keep an eye on the form of payment and make sure they haven’t filed a protest or claim against it. I’m not sure how Zella handles these things, but unscrupulous buyers do stuff like this with PayPal and it can be an infuriating and burdensome process. Best of Luck. | ---
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Title: **Got called by out of state police saying a report has been filed against me for theft - I left the product on the buyer's bed.**
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> Throwaway account for obvious reasons. > > > > I live in state A and drove to \MA\] to deliver a laptop that someone wanted to purchase from me. To preface the story: > > 1. The individual said he wouldn't be there to claim delivery > 2. The individual told me that a lot of people lived at the house > 3. The individual told me he would have someone let me in to the house. > > I drive, get there, and drop off the laptop. I do a few things: > > 1. Make sure to say hi and bye to the person that let me in > 2. Took a video of the laptop on the buyer's bed > > Buyer paid me through Zelle. I leave, go home, and think nothing of it. Fast forward a week and I get a call from his police department and the buyer is claiming I scammed him. He has not provided any proof of how he's come to this conclusion. I'm at a loss of how to go forward with the situation.
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oli3ea | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Got called by out of state police saying a report has been filed against me for theft - I left the product on the buyer's bed. Throwaway account for obvious reasons. ​ I live in state A and drove to \[MA\] to deliver a laptop that someone wanted to purchase from me. To preface the story: 1. The individual said he wouldn't be there to claim delivery 2. The individual told me that a lot of people lived at the house 3. The individual told me he would have someone let me in to the house. I drive, get there, and drop off the laptop. I do a few things: 1. Make sure to say hi and bye to the person that let me in 2. Took a video of the laptop on the buyer's bed Buyer paid me through Zelle. I leave, go home, and think nothing of it. Fast forward a week and I get a call from his police department and the buyer is claiming I scammed him. He has not provided any proof of how he's come to this conclusion. I'm at a loss of how to go forward with the situation. | h5hai5x | h5g5dgz | 1,626,494,031 | 1,626,472,451 | 5 | 3 | This is likely a scam. Everytime I sell something online and hand it off to someone in person, they try something like this. Even if I videotaped the exchange and have documents of the serial numbers and hardware. It’s most likely posturing and very unlikely something will come of it. The videotape is helpful, also you said you drove across state lines. I’m guessing this was a fair distance. Any documentation or receipts you may have gas, food, etc, of the date of the exchange could also bolster your case. Why would someone drive to another state to not deliver a product? If they didn’t get it, why did they pay you? If they didn’t get it, why not contact you? If they didn’t get it, why wait a week to file a police report? If you do get served just show up to court with your documentation. Also, keep an eye on the form of payment and make sure they haven’t filed a protest or claim against it. I’m not sure how Zella handles these things, but unscrupulous buyers do stuff like this with PayPal and it can be an infuriating and burdensome process. Best of Luck. | If you can try and get your GPS data from your phone showing you went to his house. Because why else would you go there. | 1 | 21,580 | 1.666667 |
oli3ea | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Got called by out of state police saying a report has been filed against me for theft - I left the product on the buyer's bed. Throwaway account for obvious reasons. ​ I live in state A and drove to \[MA\] to deliver a laptop that someone wanted to purchase from me. To preface the story: 1. The individual said he wouldn't be there to claim delivery 2. The individual told me that a lot of people lived at the house 3. The individual told me he would have someone let me in to the house. I drive, get there, and drop off the laptop. I do a few things: 1. Make sure to say hi and bye to the person that let me in 2. Took a video of the laptop on the buyer's bed Buyer paid me through Zelle. I leave, go home, and think nothing of it. Fast forward a week and I get a call from his police department and the buyer is claiming I scammed him. He has not provided any proof of how he's come to this conclusion. I'm at a loss of how to go forward with the situation. | h5hmut6 | h5h2u5y | 1,626,502,630 | 1,626,489,563 | 4 | 3 | You’re being scammed. How do you know it was the police who called you? Do you have a name? Badge number? Can you call and verify they work there? I would message the “buyer” and inform him that you have a video and to stop harassing you. I assume you had an idea that this wasn’t legit if you decided to take a video. Next time don’t even go that far. There are plenty of legitimate places to sell your laptop to. | I think you’re the one being scammed. | 1 | 13,067 | 1.333333 |
oli3ea | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Got called by out of state police saying a report has been filed against me for theft - I left the product on the buyer's bed. Throwaway account for obvious reasons. ​ I live in state A and drove to \[MA\] to deliver a laptop that someone wanted to purchase from me. To preface the story: 1. The individual said he wouldn't be there to claim delivery 2. The individual told me that a lot of people lived at the house 3. The individual told me he would have someone let me in to the house. I drive, get there, and drop off the laptop. I do a few things: 1. Make sure to say hi and bye to the person that let me in 2. Took a video of the laptop on the buyer's bed Buyer paid me through Zelle. I leave, go home, and think nothing of it. Fast forward a week and I get a call from his police department and the buyer is claiming I scammed him. He has not provided any proof of how he's come to this conclusion. I'm at a loss of how to go forward with the situation. | h5hmut6 | h5egv7d | 1,626,502,630 | 1,626,446,242 | 4 | 3 | You’re being scammed. How do you know it was the police who called you? Do you have a name? Badge number? Can you call and verify they work there? I would message the “buyer” and inform him that you have a video and to stop harassing you. I assume you had an idea that this wasn’t legit if you decided to take a video. Next time don’t even go that far. There are plenty of legitimate places to sell your laptop to. | ---
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> Throwaway account for obvious reasons. > > > > I live in state A and drove to \MA\] to deliver a laptop that someone wanted to purchase from me. To preface the story: > > 1. The individual said he wouldn't be there to claim delivery > 2. The individual told me that a lot of people lived at the house > 3. The individual told me he would have someone let me in to the house. > > I drive, get there, and drop off the laptop. I do a few things: > > 1. Make sure to say hi and bye to the person that let me in > 2. Took a video of the laptop on the buyer's bed > > Buyer paid me through Zelle. I leave, go home, and think nothing of it. Fast forward a week and I get a call from his police department and the buyer is claiming I scammed him. He has not provided any proof of how he's come to this conclusion. I'm at a loss of how to go forward with the situation.
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oli3ea | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Got called by out of state police saying a report has been filed against me for theft - I left the product on the buyer's bed. Throwaway account for obvious reasons. ​ I live in state A and drove to \[MA\] to deliver a laptop that someone wanted to purchase from me. To preface the story: 1. The individual said he wouldn't be there to claim delivery 2. The individual told me that a lot of people lived at the house 3. The individual told me he would have someone let me in to the house. I drive, get there, and drop off the laptop. I do a few things: 1. Make sure to say hi and bye to the person that let me in 2. Took a video of the laptop on the buyer's bed Buyer paid me through Zelle. I leave, go home, and think nothing of it. Fast forward a week and I get a call from his police department and the buyer is claiming I scammed him. He has not provided any proof of how he's come to this conclusion. I'm at a loss of how to go forward with the situation. | h5g5dgz | h5hmut6 | 1,626,472,451 | 1,626,502,630 | 3 | 4 | If you can try and get your GPS data from your phone showing you went to his house. Because why else would you go there. | You’re being scammed. How do you know it was the police who called you? Do you have a name? Badge number? Can you call and verify they work there? I would message the “buyer” and inform him that you have a video and to stop harassing you. I assume you had an idea that this wasn’t legit if you decided to take a video. Next time don’t even go that far. There are plenty of legitimate places to sell your laptop to. | 0 | 30,179 | 1.333333 |
oli3ea | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Got called by out of state police saying a report has been filed against me for theft - I left the product on the buyer's bed. Throwaway account for obvious reasons. ​ I live in state A and drove to \[MA\] to deliver a laptop that someone wanted to purchase from me. To preface the story: 1. The individual said he wouldn't be there to claim delivery 2. The individual told me that a lot of people lived at the house 3. The individual told me he would have someone let me in to the house. I drive, get there, and drop off the laptop. I do a few things: 1. Make sure to say hi and bye to the person that let me in 2. Took a video of the laptop on the buyer's bed Buyer paid me through Zelle. I leave, go home, and think nothing of it. Fast forward a week and I get a call from his police department and the buyer is claiming I scammed him. He has not provided any proof of how he's come to this conclusion. I'm at a loss of how to go forward with the situation. | h5hmut6 | h5hd0lw | 1,626,502,630 | 1,626,495,623 | 4 | 2 | You’re being scammed. How do you know it was the police who called you? Do you have a name? Badge number? Can you call and verify they work there? I would message the “buyer” and inform him that you have a video and to stop harassing you. I assume you had an idea that this wasn’t legit if you decided to take a video. Next time don’t even go that far. There are plenty of legitimate places to sell your laptop to. | NOT a lawyer. But... This would likely be a civil issue. Also, a few things that might be of some comfort: 1. Theft implies, generally, that you STOLE something. As in, someone had something which they owned, and you took it without their permission. You can't steal something (the laptop) that they never had. 2. They sent you the money via <financial transfer service>. Thus, they cannot accuse you of stealing the money, either, (well, they can accuse you of whatever they want, but, you get the idea...) as they sent the money to you. You didn't take it from them forcibly. 3. The thing they COULD try and (likely in a civil court) accuse you of, is some sort of fraud or false advertising. Don't get me wrong, fraud is serious, and there are criminal fraud charges. However... I feel like a DA worth their weight in salt is likely going to look at this and go, "Oh, no, I'm not bothering with this garbage." 4. Someone filing a police report is NOT the same as you being charged with a crime. A police report is literally what it says, a report filed with the police about something that supposedly happened.I could walk into a police station in the next town and file a report that I saw bigfoot steal a truck from the bar across the street.There are a number of reasons I won't do this, despite how hilarious the idea sounds, including that lying to the police in and of itself is usually a crime. But the fact remains, technically, you can usually file a report with the police about anything, true or not. :P The police then make some judgement call regarding if they are going to follow up on it, or not. ​ However, standard advice going forward if you are contacted by a law enforcement officer: 1. Do not talk to the police. You likely already told them that there's either a misunderstanding or the other guy is lying, etc.; but even this isn't really advisable. If they (the police) contact you again, inform them that you have nothing further to say. If they insist on you talking to them, tell them you'll only do so with a lawyer representing you present. 2. Since the buyer has demonstrated that they are not willing to handle this in a reasonable manner, I would not really recommend communicating with them. 3. If this goes anywhere further, sadly, you'll need to retain a lawyer to ensure you don't get screwed over. ​ EDIT: Technically, as others have pointed out, if he sues you in small claims court (which is likely where it would be), you do not need a lawyer. If somehow it is NOT in small claims court... you need a lawyer. | 1 | 7,007 | 2 |
79iras | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | [GA] Was badly assaulted at the haunted house I work at. It's been strongly suggested I file a civil suit but I don't know what to do. This sub is an addiction for me but I never thought I would be posting here. Background: My current haunt is the top in the nation. It's been open 21 years. I have been here 5. I have worked a previous 5 years at another haunt before moving near this one. Because of the size and noterity of the haunt we have lots of police stationed there on the weekends as well as a staffed paramedic. There are many different types of spots you can work at this job but this season I am a "lead." I'm assigned 5-6 people of similar costume/spot to take care of. I walk through and check on all actors but I only give breaks to my assigned actors. All my spots but one are female actors. I break statues and our mermaid. I'm 5'6 and 130lbs and my people are in that range. Having spent the last decade of my life working at a haunted house I know you get hit. I can't even count the amount of times I've been hit, kicked, slapped, shoved, and stomped on. There are three types of hits you get. 1) "ohohoho I'm so funny I'm gonna touch/grab the minimum wage actor." 2) "oh shit you scared me good I'm sorry I hit you." 3) "you kinda scared me but I'm an asshole with a tiny c**k so I'm gonna hit you a few times and laugh and keep going." This guy, though, was something I have never seen in my career. The incident: I was cycling through my first round of breaks and was breaking a girl in basically a tall rectangular box. It's open in the front where you can reach out and scare the people walking by. It's maybe 3 feet deep. And the inside is rough saw wood. This spot is at the very beginning of this attraction. The first actual actor to scare you when you come in. A group of about 8 20-somethings African Americans came by and I scared the first two then went back to Statue Mode. A male (approx 6'2 and 220lbs) at the end of the group reached in and grabbed my arm. I said to him: "Do NOT touch the actors." And he let go and said "Or what?" And I replied: "Or I'll throw you out." He yelled: "The fuck did you say, n****r?" Then slammed be backwards into the wooden box. He started punching me in the side of the head. His presumed girlfriend (maybe 5'8 and around my weight) yelled: "Not again" and wedged herself between us facing him. She was yelling for people to help get him off me. She was attempting to protect me but also left me pinned with my head exposed. He continued to reach around her and continued punching my head. I was able to turn my head after several blows and he then grabbed my hair and was slamming my head into the wooden box wall a few times before he was pulled off me by my casting director. The spot I was located in was directly between the two curtains leading to our main backstage area. The female actor about 20 feet away (but around a turn) was able to run in and get immediate help. I remember immediately stepping out once he was pulled back and his girlfriend was able to move but then nothing for the next few minutes. I apparently made it a few steps before falling and seizing for approximately 45 seconds. Our staffed paramedic was on me by the time I hit the floor. I had epilepsy as a child but it was all light triggered. I haven't had a seizure in 7 years before this. He was immediately arrested and taken to jail. I was immediately put in an ambulance and sent to the hospital. My cat scan result were fine. I have two black eyes, lots of swelling on one side of my face, a 1.5 inch cut in a downward diagonal from the end of my eyebrow, and two smaller cuts on my face. I also am starting to get a lot of stiffness in my neck which I was told could be whiplash. He was charged with assault but I was told the DA is going to try to bump it to felony assault because of the seizure and cuts. There is security footage of him turning back to start hitting me and then me having a seizure but the closed box made it unable to see him hitting me directly. I have been advised by practically everyone to also file a civil suit against him. This would cover medical expenses and lost wages I believe. I'm missing a week of my regular job and two nights at the haunt so it's around $456 without taxes being taken out. Do I have any grounds in a civil suit? How do I go about even finding a lawyer and such? My only court experience is watching Judge Judy. Tl;dr: guy used my head as a punching bag and I'm decently injured. | dp29aua | dp29jhm | 1,509,308,062 | 1,509,308,327 | 314 | 1,622 | Did you talk to the DA about restitution? And I'm just thinking off the top of my head here, did you file a worker's compensation claim? Those avenues might be better than trying for a civil suit. | Holy shit, yes you definitely have grounds to sue. That said, you should be able to file for workman' comp as well since you were on the clock when you were attacked. Contact a personal injury attorney and start finding out what they can do for you. | 0 | 265 | 5.165605 |
79iras | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | [GA] Was badly assaulted at the haunted house I work at. It's been strongly suggested I file a civil suit but I don't know what to do. This sub is an addiction for me but I never thought I would be posting here. Background: My current haunt is the top in the nation. It's been open 21 years. I have been here 5. I have worked a previous 5 years at another haunt before moving near this one. Because of the size and noterity of the haunt we have lots of police stationed there on the weekends as well as a staffed paramedic. There are many different types of spots you can work at this job but this season I am a "lead." I'm assigned 5-6 people of similar costume/spot to take care of. I walk through and check on all actors but I only give breaks to my assigned actors. All my spots but one are female actors. I break statues and our mermaid. I'm 5'6 and 130lbs and my people are in that range. Having spent the last decade of my life working at a haunted house I know you get hit. I can't even count the amount of times I've been hit, kicked, slapped, shoved, and stomped on. There are three types of hits you get. 1) "ohohoho I'm so funny I'm gonna touch/grab the minimum wage actor." 2) "oh shit you scared me good I'm sorry I hit you." 3) "you kinda scared me but I'm an asshole with a tiny c**k so I'm gonna hit you a few times and laugh and keep going." This guy, though, was something I have never seen in my career. The incident: I was cycling through my first round of breaks and was breaking a girl in basically a tall rectangular box. It's open in the front where you can reach out and scare the people walking by. It's maybe 3 feet deep. And the inside is rough saw wood. This spot is at the very beginning of this attraction. The first actual actor to scare you when you come in. A group of about 8 20-somethings African Americans came by and I scared the first two then went back to Statue Mode. A male (approx 6'2 and 220lbs) at the end of the group reached in and grabbed my arm. I said to him: "Do NOT touch the actors." And he let go and said "Or what?" And I replied: "Or I'll throw you out." He yelled: "The fuck did you say, n****r?" Then slammed be backwards into the wooden box. He started punching me in the side of the head. His presumed girlfriend (maybe 5'8 and around my weight) yelled: "Not again" and wedged herself between us facing him. She was yelling for people to help get him off me. She was attempting to protect me but also left me pinned with my head exposed. He continued to reach around her and continued punching my head. I was able to turn my head after several blows and he then grabbed my hair and was slamming my head into the wooden box wall a few times before he was pulled off me by my casting director. The spot I was located in was directly between the two curtains leading to our main backstage area. The female actor about 20 feet away (but around a turn) was able to run in and get immediate help. I remember immediately stepping out once he was pulled back and his girlfriend was able to move but then nothing for the next few minutes. I apparently made it a few steps before falling and seizing for approximately 45 seconds. Our staffed paramedic was on me by the time I hit the floor. I had epilepsy as a child but it was all light triggered. I haven't had a seizure in 7 years before this. He was immediately arrested and taken to jail. I was immediately put in an ambulance and sent to the hospital. My cat scan result were fine. I have two black eyes, lots of swelling on one side of my face, a 1.5 inch cut in a downward diagonal from the end of my eyebrow, and two smaller cuts on my face. I also am starting to get a lot of stiffness in my neck which I was told could be whiplash. He was charged with assault but I was told the DA is going to try to bump it to felony assault because of the seizure and cuts. There is security footage of him turning back to start hitting me and then me having a seizure but the closed box made it unable to see him hitting me directly. I have been advised by practically everyone to also file a civil suit against him. This would cover medical expenses and lost wages I believe. I'm missing a week of my regular job and two nights at the haunt so it's around $456 without taxes being taken out. Do I have any grounds in a civil suit? How do I go about even finding a lawyer and such? My only court experience is watching Judge Judy. Tl;dr: guy used my head as a punching bag and I'm decently injured. | dp29d4e | dp29jhm | 1,509,308,135 | 1,509,308,327 | 210 | 1,622 | Yes you have a case for a civil suit. There are a number of things you should do. You can talk to the DA and try to have them add restitution to whatever plea deal they may offer this guy. That would require him to pay you an can often be highly motivating since they can link it to his punishment (i.e. you don't get off probation until you pay). Outside the criminal system you should file for worker's compensation. That could end up covering all your expenses and then they would have to deal with going after him rather than you. Any damages not covered by workers comp you can sue for. If this is within the small claims limit you can sue without a lawyer (although for injuries this severe I would really suggest you at least consult one in case they can suggest to you an amount you didn't think of already). If it is over the small claims limit you'll have to get a personal injury attorney. | Holy shit, yes you definitely have grounds to sue. That said, you should be able to file for workman' comp as well since you were on the clock when you were attacked. Contact a personal injury attorney and start finding out what they can do for you. | 0 | 192 | 7.72381 |
79iras | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | [GA] Was badly assaulted at the haunted house I work at. It's been strongly suggested I file a civil suit but I don't know what to do. This sub is an addiction for me but I never thought I would be posting here. Background: My current haunt is the top in the nation. It's been open 21 years. I have been here 5. I have worked a previous 5 years at another haunt before moving near this one. Because of the size and noterity of the haunt we have lots of police stationed there on the weekends as well as a staffed paramedic. There are many different types of spots you can work at this job but this season I am a "lead." I'm assigned 5-6 people of similar costume/spot to take care of. I walk through and check on all actors but I only give breaks to my assigned actors. All my spots but one are female actors. I break statues and our mermaid. I'm 5'6 and 130lbs and my people are in that range. Having spent the last decade of my life working at a haunted house I know you get hit. I can't even count the amount of times I've been hit, kicked, slapped, shoved, and stomped on. There are three types of hits you get. 1) "ohohoho I'm so funny I'm gonna touch/grab the minimum wage actor." 2) "oh shit you scared me good I'm sorry I hit you." 3) "you kinda scared me but I'm an asshole with a tiny c**k so I'm gonna hit you a few times and laugh and keep going." This guy, though, was something I have never seen in my career. The incident: I was cycling through my first round of breaks and was breaking a girl in basically a tall rectangular box. It's open in the front where you can reach out and scare the people walking by. It's maybe 3 feet deep. And the inside is rough saw wood. This spot is at the very beginning of this attraction. The first actual actor to scare you when you come in. A group of about 8 20-somethings African Americans came by and I scared the first two then went back to Statue Mode. A male (approx 6'2 and 220lbs) at the end of the group reached in and grabbed my arm. I said to him: "Do NOT touch the actors." And he let go and said "Or what?" And I replied: "Or I'll throw you out." He yelled: "The fuck did you say, n****r?" Then slammed be backwards into the wooden box. He started punching me in the side of the head. His presumed girlfriend (maybe 5'8 and around my weight) yelled: "Not again" and wedged herself between us facing him. She was yelling for people to help get him off me. She was attempting to protect me but also left me pinned with my head exposed. He continued to reach around her and continued punching my head. I was able to turn my head after several blows and he then grabbed my hair and was slamming my head into the wooden box wall a few times before he was pulled off me by my casting director. The spot I was located in was directly between the two curtains leading to our main backstage area. The female actor about 20 feet away (but around a turn) was able to run in and get immediate help. I remember immediately stepping out once he was pulled back and his girlfriend was able to move but then nothing for the next few minutes. I apparently made it a few steps before falling and seizing for approximately 45 seconds. Our staffed paramedic was on me by the time I hit the floor. I had epilepsy as a child but it was all light triggered. I haven't had a seizure in 7 years before this. He was immediately arrested and taken to jail. I was immediately put in an ambulance and sent to the hospital. My cat scan result were fine. I have two black eyes, lots of swelling on one side of my face, a 1.5 inch cut in a downward diagonal from the end of my eyebrow, and two smaller cuts on my face. I also am starting to get a lot of stiffness in my neck which I was told could be whiplash. He was charged with assault but I was told the DA is going to try to bump it to felony assault because of the seizure and cuts. There is security footage of him turning back to start hitting me and then me having a seizure but the closed box made it unable to see him hitting me directly. I have been advised by practically everyone to also file a civil suit against him. This would cover medical expenses and lost wages I believe. I'm missing a week of my regular job and two nights at the haunt so it's around $456 without taxes being taken out. Do I have any grounds in a civil suit? How do I go about even finding a lawyer and such? My only court experience is watching Judge Judy. Tl;dr: guy used my head as a punching bag and I'm decently injured. | dp29jhm | dp2914j | 1,509,308,327 | 1,509,307,776 | 1,622 | 72 | Holy shit, yes you definitely have grounds to sue. That said, you should be able to file for workman' comp as well since you were on the clock when you were attacked. Contact a personal injury attorney and start finding out what they can do for you. | >Do I have any grounds in a civil suit? Absolutely. Whether it is worth pursuing is a different question. Look up personal injury lawyers in your area. Most will do a free consultation. | 1 | 551 | 22.527778 |
79iras | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | [GA] Was badly assaulted at the haunted house I work at. It's been strongly suggested I file a civil suit but I don't know what to do. This sub is an addiction for me but I never thought I would be posting here. Background: My current haunt is the top in the nation. It's been open 21 years. I have been here 5. I have worked a previous 5 years at another haunt before moving near this one. Because of the size and noterity of the haunt we have lots of police stationed there on the weekends as well as a staffed paramedic. There are many different types of spots you can work at this job but this season I am a "lead." I'm assigned 5-6 people of similar costume/spot to take care of. I walk through and check on all actors but I only give breaks to my assigned actors. All my spots but one are female actors. I break statues and our mermaid. I'm 5'6 and 130lbs and my people are in that range. Having spent the last decade of my life working at a haunted house I know you get hit. I can't even count the amount of times I've been hit, kicked, slapped, shoved, and stomped on. There are three types of hits you get. 1) "ohohoho I'm so funny I'm gonna touch/grab the minimum wage actor." 2) "oh shit you scared me good I'm sorry I hit you." 3) "you kinda scared me but I'm an asshole with a tiny c**k so I'm gonna hit you a few times and laugh and keep going." This guy, though, was something I have never seen in my career. The incident: I was cycling through my first round of breaks and was breaking a girl in basically a tall rectangular box. It's open in the front where you can reach out and scare the people walking by. It's maybe 3 feet deep. And the inside is rough saw wood. This spot is at the very beginning of this attraction. The first actual actor to scare you when you come in. A group of about 8 20-somethings African Americans came by and I scared the first two then went back to Statue Mode. A male (approx 6'2 and 220lbs) at the end of the group reached in and grabbed my arm. I said to him: "Do NOT touch the actors." And he let go and said "Or what?" And I replied: "Or I'll throw you out." He yelled: "The fuck did you say, n****r?" Then slammed be backwards into the wooden box. He started punching me in the side of the head. His presumed girlfriend (maybe 5'8 and around my weight) yelled: "Not again" and wedged herself between us facing him. She was yelling for people to help get him off me. She was attempting to protect me but also left me pinned with my head exposed. He continued to reach around her and continued punching my head. I was able to turn my head after several blows and he then grabbed my hair and was slamming my head into the wooden box wall a few times before he was pulled off me by my casting director. The spot I was located in was directly between the two curtains leading to our main backstage area. The female actor about 20 feet away (but around a turn) was able to run in and get immediate help. I remember immediately stepping out once he was pulled back and his girlfriend was able to move but then nothing for the next few minutes. I apparently made it a few steps before falling and seizing for approximately 45 seconds. Our staffed paramedic was on me by the time I hit the floor. I had epilepsy as a child but it was all light triggered. I haven't had a seizure in 7 years before this. He was immediately arrested and taken to jail. I was immediately put in an ambulance and sent to the hospital. My cat scan result were fine. I have two black eyes, lots of swelling on one side of my face, a 1.5 inch cut in a downward diagonal from the end of my eyebrow, and two smaller cuts on my face. I also am starting to get a lot of stiffness in my neck which I was told could be whiplash. He was charged with assault but I was told the DA is going to try to bump it to felony assault because of the seizure and cuts. There is security footage of him turning back to start hitting me and then me having a seizure but the closed box made it unable to see him hitting me directly. I have been advised by practically everyone to also file a civil suit against him. This would cover medical expenses and lost wages I believe. I'm missing a week of my regular job and two nights at the haunt so it's around $456 without taxes being taken out. Do I have any grounds in a civil suit? How do I go about even finding a lawyer and such? My only court experience is watching Judge Judy. Tl;dr: guy used my head as a punching bag and I'm decently injured. | dp29aua | dp2914j | 1,509,308,062 | 1,509,307,776 | 314 | 72 | Did you talk to the DA about restitution? And I'm just thinking off the top of my head here, did you file a worker's compensation claim? Those avenues might be better than trying for a civil suit. | >Do I have any grounds in a civil suit? Absolutely. Whether it is worth pursuing is a different question. Look up personal injury lawyers in your area. Most will do a free consultation. | 1 | 286 | 4.361111 |
79iras | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | [GA] Was badly assaulted at the haunted house I work at. It's been strongly suggested I file a civil suit but I don't know what to do. This sub is an addiction for me but I never thought I would be posting here. Background: My current haunt is the top in the nation. It's been open 21 years. I have been here 5. I have worked a previous 5 years at another haunt before moving near this one. Because of the size and noterity of the haunt we have lots of police stationed there on the weekends as well as a staffed paramedic. There are many different types of spots you can work at this job but this season I am a "lead." I'm assigned 5-6 people of similar costume/spot to take care of. I walk through and check on all actors but I only give breaks to my assigned actors. All my spots but one are female actors. I break statues and our mermaid. I'm 5'6 and 130lbs and my people are in that range. Having spent the last decade of my life working at a haunted house I know you get hit. I can't even count the amount of times I've been hit, kicked, slapped, shoved, and stomped on. There are three types of hits you get. 1) "ohohoho I'm so funny I'm gonna touch/grab the minimum wage actor." 2) "oh shit you scared me good I'm sorry I hit you." 3) "you kinda scared me but I'm an asshole with a tiny c**k so I'm gonna hit you a few times and laugh and keep going." This guy, though, was something I have never seen in my career. The incident: I was cycling through my first round of breaks and was breaking a girl in basically a tall rectangular box. It's open in the front where you can reach out and scare the people walking by. It's maybe 3 feet deep. And the inside is rough saw wood. This spot is at the very beginning of this attraction. The first actual actor to scare you when you come in. A group of about 8 20-somethings African Americans came by and I scared the first two then went back to Statue Mode. A male (approx 6'2 and 220lbs) at the end of the group reached in and grabbed my arm. I said to him: "Do NOT touch the actors." And he let go and said "Or what?" And I replied: "Or I'll throw you out." He yelled: "The fuck did you say, n****r?" Then slammed be backwards into the wooden box. He started punching me in the side of the head. His presumed girlfriend (maybe 5'8 and around my weight) yelled: "Not again" and wedged herself between us facing him. She was yelling for people to help get him off me. She was attempting to protect me but also left me pinned with my head exposed. He continued to reach around her and continued punching my head. I was able to turn my head after several blows and he then grabbed my hair and was slamming my head into the wooden box wall a few times before he was pulled off me by my casting director. The spot I was located in was directly between the two curtains leading to our main backstage area. The female actor about 20 feet away (but around a turn) was able to run in and get immediate help. I remember immediately stepping out once he was pulled back and his girlfriend was able to move but then nothing for the next few minutes. I apparently made it a few steps before falling and seizing for approximately 45 seconds. Our staffed paramedic was on me by the time I hit the floor. I had epilepsy as a child but it was all light triggered. I haven't had a seizure in 7 years before this. He was immediately arrested and taken to jail. I was immediately put in an ambulance and sent to the hospital. My cat scan result were fine. I have two black eyes, lots of swelling on one side of my face, a 1.5 inch cut in a downward diagonal from the end of my eyebrow, and two smaller cuts on my face. I also am starting to get a lot of stiffness in my neck which I was told could be whiplash. He was charged with assault but I was told the DA is going to try to bump it to felony assault because of the seizure and cuts. There is security footage of him turning back to start hitting me and then me having a seizure but the closed box made it unable to see him hitting me directly. I have been advised by practically everyone to also file a civil suit against him. This would cover medical expenses and lost wages I believe. I'm missing a week of my regular job and two nights at the haunt so it's around $456 without taxes being taken out. Do I have any grounds in a civil suit? How do I go about even finding a lawyer and such? My only court experience is watching Judge Judy. Tl;dr: guy used my head as a punching bag and I'm decently injured. | dp2914j | dp29d4e | 1,509,307,776 | 1,509,308,135 | 72 | 210 | >Do I have any grounds in a civil suit? Absolutely. Whether it is worth pursuing is a different question. Look up personal injury lawyers in your area. Most will do a free consultation. | Yes you have a case for a civil suit. There are a number of things you should do. You can talk to the DA and try to have them add restitution to whatever plea deal they may offer this guy. That would require him to pay you an can often be highly motivating since they can link it to his punishment (i.e. you don't get off probation until you pay). Outside the criminal system you should file for worker's compensation. That could end up covering all your expenses and then they would have to deal with going after him rather than you. Any damages not covered by workers comp you can sue for. If this is within the small claims limit you can sue without a lawyer (although for injuries this severe I would really suggest you at least consult one in case they can suggest to you an amount you didn't think of already). If it is over the small claims limit you'll have to get a personal injury attorney. | 0 | 359 | 2.916667 |
79iras | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | [GA] Was badly assaulted at the haunted house I work at. It's been strongly suggested I file a civil suit but I don't know what to do. This sub is an addiction for me but I never thought I would be posting here. Background: My current haunt is the top in the nation. It's been open 21 years. I have been here 5. I have worked a previous 5 years at another haunt before moving near this one. Because of the size and noterity of the haunt we have lots of police stationed there on the weekends as well as a staffed paramedic. There are many different types of spots you can work at this job but this season I am a "lead." I'm assigned 5-6 people of similar costume/spot to take care of. I walk through and check on all actors but I only give breaks to my assigned actors. All my spots but one are female actors. I break statues and our mermaid. I'm 5'6 and 130lbs and my people are in that range. Having spent the last decade of my life working at a haunted house I know you get hit. I can't even count the amount of times I've been hit, kicked, slapped, shoved, and stomped on. There are three types of hits you get. 1) "ohohoho I'm so funny I'm gonna touch/grab the minimum wage actor." 2) "oh shit you scared me good I'm sorry I hit you." 3) "you kinda scared me but I'm an asshole with a tiny c**k so I'm gonna hit you a few times and laugh and keep going." This guy, though, was something I have never seen in my career. The incident: I was cycling through my first round of breaks and was breaking a girl in basically a tall rectangular box. It's open in the front where you can reach out and scare the people walking by. It's maybe 3 feet deep. And the inside is rough saw wood. This spot is at the very beginning of this attraction. The first actual actor to scare you when you come in. A group of about 8 20-somethings African Americans came by and I scared the first two then went back to Statue Mode. A male (approx 6'2 and 220lbs) at the end of the group reached in and grabbed my arm. I said to him: "Do NOT touch the actors." And he let go and said "Or what?" And I replied: "Or I'll throw you out." He yelled: "The fuck did you say, n****r?" Then slammed be backwards into the wooden box. He started punching me in the side of the head. His presumed girlfriend (maybe 5'8 and around my weight) yelled: "Not again" and wedged herself between us facing him. She was yelling for people to help get him off me. She was attempting to protect me but also left me pinned with my head exposed. He continued to reach around her and continued punching my head. I was able to turn my head after several blows and he then grabbed my hair and was slamming my head into the wooden box wall a few times before he was pulled off me by my casting director. The spot I was located in was directly between the two curtains leading to our main backstage area. The female actor about 20 feet away (but around a turn) was able to run in and get immediate help. I remember immediately stepping out once he was pulled back and his girlfriend was able to move but then nothing for the next few minutes. I apparently made it a few steps before falling and seizing for approximately 45 seconds. Our staffed paramedic was on me by the time I hit the floor. I had epilepsy as a child but it was all light triggered. I haven't had a seizure in 7 years before this. He was immediately arrested and taken to jail. I was immediately put in an ambulance and sent to the hospital. My cat scan result were fine. I have two black eyes, lots of swelling on one side of my face, a 1.5 inch cut in a downward diagonal from the end of my eyebrow, and two smaller cuts on my face. I also am starting to get a lot of stiffness in my neck which I was told could be whiplash. He was charged with assault but I was told the DA is going to try to bump it to felony assault because of the seizure and cuts. There is security footage of him turning back to start hitting me and then me having a seizure but the closed box made it unable to see him hitting me directly. I have been advised by practically everyone to also file a civil suit against him. This would cover medical expenses and lost wages I believe. I'm missing a week of my regular job and two nights at the haunt so it's around $456 without taxes being taken out. Do I have any grounds in a civil suit? How do I go about even finding a lawyer and such? My only court experience is watching Judge Judy. Tl;dr: guy used my head as a punching bag and I'm decently injured. | dp2c7qm | dp2914j | 1,509,311,343 | 1,509,307,776 | 101 | 72 | 1) File worker's Comp. You'll get your bills paid, and a large insurance company is more likely to have the resources to litigate and collect what they're owed from this douche-nozzle. 2) You can also request the DA make restitution part of the sentence. You would be responsible for collecting it/hiring someone to serve him/generally making sure he pays it. This is why option one is better in my opinion; its easier. 3) Tell the DA that he called you a racial slur before assaulting you. I'm pretty sure that makes this a racially charged assault and he should face the repercussions of his actions. | >Do I have any grounds in a civil suit? Absolutely. Whether it is worth pursuing is a different question. Look up personal injury lawyers in your area. Most will do a free consultation. | 1 | 3,567 | 1.402778 |
79iras | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | [GA] Was badly assaulted at the haunted house I work at. It's been strongly suggested I file a civil suit but I don't know what to do. This sub is an addiction for me but I never thought I would be posting here. Background: My current haunt is the top in the nation. It's been open 21 years. I have been here 5. I have worked a previous 5 years at another haunt before moving near this one. Because of the size and noterity of the haunt we have lots of police stationed there on the weekends as well as a staffed paramedic. There are many different types of spots you can work at this job but this season I am a "lead." I'm assigned 5-6 people of similar costume/spot to take care of. I walk through and check on all actors but I only give breaks to my assigned actors. All my spots but one are female actors. I break statues and our mermaid. I'm 5'6 and 130lbs and my people are in that range. Having spent the last decade of my life working at a haunted house I know you get hit. I can't even count the amount of times I've been hit, kicked, slapped, shoved, and stomped on. There are three types of hits you get. 1) "ohohoho I'm so funny I'm gonna touch/grab the minimum wage actor." 2) "oh shit you scared me good I'm sorry I hit you." 3) "you kinda scared me but I'm an asshole with a tiny c**k so I'm gonna hit you a few times and laugh and keep going." This guy, though, was something I have never seen in my career. The incident: I was cycling through my first round of breaks and was breaking a girl in basically a tall rectangular box. It's open in the front where you can reach out and scare the people walking by. It's maybe 3 feet deep. And the inside is rough saw wood. This spot is at the very beginning of this attraction. The first actual actor to scare you when you come in. A group of about 8 20-somethings African Americans came by and I scared the first two then went back to Statue Mode. A male (approx 6'2 and 220lbs) at the end of the group reached in and grabbed my arm. I said to him: "Do NOT touch the actors." And he let go and said "Or what?" And I replied: "Or I'll throw you out." He yelled: "The fuck did you say, n****r?" Then slammed be backwards into the wooden box. He started punching me in the side of the head. His presumed girlfriend (maybe 5'8 and around my weight) yelled: "Not again" and wedged herself between us facing him. She was yelling for people to help get him off me. She was attempting to protect me but also left me pinned with my head exposed. He continued to reach around her and continued punching my head. I was able to turn my head after several blows and he then grabbed my hair and was slamming my head into the wooden box wall a few times before he was pulled off me by my casting director. The spot I was located in was directly between the two curtains leading to our main backstage area. The female actor about 20 feet away (but around a turn) was able to run in and get immediate help. I remember immediately stepping out once he was pulled back and his girlfriend was able to move but then nothing for the next few minutes. I apparently made it a few steps before falling and seizing for approximately 45 seconds. Our staffed paramedic was on me by the time I hit the floor. I had epilepsy as a child but it was all light triggered. I haven't had a seizure in 7 years before this. He was immediately arrested and taken to jail. I was immediately put in an ambulance and sent to the hospital. My cat scan result were fine. I have two black eyes, lots of swelling on one side of my face, a 1.5 inch cut in a downward diagonal from the end of my eyebrow, and two smaller cuts on my face. I also am starting to get a lot of stiffness in my neck which I was told could be whiplash. He was charged with assault but I was told the DA is going to try to bump it to felony assault because of the seizure and cuts. There is security footage of him turning back to start hitting me and then me having a seizure but the closed box made it unable to see him hitting me directly. I have been advised by practically everyone to also file a civil suit against him. This would cover medical expenses and lost wages I believe. I'm missing a week of my regular job and two nights at the haunt so it's around $456 without taxes being taken out. Do I have any grounds in a civil suit? How do I go about even finding a lawyer and such? My only court experience is watching Judge Judy. Tl;dr: guy used my head as a punching bag and I'm decently injured. | dp2dxvt | dp2kb8y | 1,509,313,379 | 1,509,320,949 | 28 | 36 | Did you try to file it under workman’s comp at the hospital? | You call up a lawyer and you say "I was assaulted by a customer at my place of employment and he was arrested while I was transported to the hospital. I would like to file a civil suit against this person. Here is the police report and my hospital paperwork." | 0 | 7,570 | 1.285714 |
sxbd4h | legaladvice_train | 0.63 | FedEx left package right in front of closed garage door where car backed over package and is now damaged. basically what is above, but the package was worth over $500. should I take this up with fedex or the company I bought it from? | hxr0pmp | hxr1a0z | 1,645,391,364 | 1,645,391,602 | 34 | 54 | Were there some kind of delivery instructions that indicated the package was not to be left in front of the garage? Even then, I'm not sure FedEx or the merchant have any responsibility for a package being damaged because a driver was careless and didn't check that there were no obstructions before moving. You could try asking the merchant for a replacement item but they'd be under no obligation to provide one. | You should see if your payment method, especially if a credit card, insures events like this. I'm having a hard time seeing how this is negligence by anyone other than the driver. | 0 | 238 | 1.588235 |
sxbd4h | legaladvice_train | 0.63 | FedEx left package right in front of closed garage door where car backed over package and is now damaged. basically what is above, but the package was worth over $500. should I take this up with fedex or the company I bought it from? | hxr1zpe | hxrflll | 1,645,391,905 | 1,645,397,684 | 37 | 42 | Who's car was it? Who was driving the car? Maybe you can draw us a diagram. Most of the planet would say the driver of the vehicle would be responsible for the damages. Did you drive over your own package? | Why do people come to this sub for advice but then get pissed off and tell the people giving advice they’re wrong? The carrier has no obligation to put it anywhere specific, unless specified. You said earlier you didn’t give instructions. | 0 | 5,779 | 1.135135 |
sxbd4h | legaladvice_train | 0.63 | FedEx left package right in front of closed garage door where car backed over package and is now damaged. basically what is above, but the package was worth over $500. should I take this up with fedex or the company I bought it from? | hxrflll | hxr0pmp | 1,645,397,684 | 1,645,391,364 | 42 | 34 | Why do people come to this sub for advice but then get pissed off and tell the people giving advice they’re wrong? The carrier has no obligation to put it anywhere specific, unless specified. You said earlier you didn’t give instructions. | Were there some kind of delivery instructions that indicated the package was not to be left in front of the garage? Even then, I'm not sure FedEx or the merchant have any responsibility for a package being damaged because a driver was careless and didn't check that there were no obstructions before moving. You could try asking the merchant for a replacement item but they'd be under no obligation to provide one. | 1 | 6,320 | 1.235294 |
sxbd4h | legaladvice_train | 0.63 | FedEx left package right in front of closed garage door where car backed over package and is now damaged. basically what is above, but the package was worth over $500. should I take this up with fedex or the company I bought it from? | hxrdv53 | hxrflll | 1,645,396,930 | 1,645,397,684 | 23 | 42 | A good rule of thumb before driving any vehicle is to look in front of and behind the car so as not to run over packages, objects, people or animals. You can call customer service but you don't have any legal recourse, in front of a garage is a standard delivery spot. | Why do people come to this sub for advice but then get pissed off and tell the people giving advice they’re wrong? The carrier has no obligation to put it anywhere specific, unless specified. You said earlier you didn’t give instructions. | 0 | 754 | 1.826087 |
sxbd4h | legaladvice_train | 0.63 | FedEx left package right in front of closed garage door where car backed over package and is now damaged. basically what is above, but the package was worth over $500. should I take this up with fedex or the company I bought it from? | hxr1zpe | hxr0pmp | 1,645,391,905 | 1,645,391,364 | 37 | 34 | Who's car was it? Who was driving the car? Maybe you can draw us a diagram. Most of the planet would say the driver of the vehicle would be responsible for the damages. Did you drive over your own package? | Were there some kind of delivery instructions that indicated the package was not to be left in front of the garage? Even then, I'm not sure FedEx or the merchant have any responsibility for a package being damaged because a driver was careless and didn't check that there were no obstructions before moving. You could try asking the merchant for a replacement item but they'd be under no obligation to provide one. | 1 | 541 | 1.088235 |
yxr8a1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | FedEx lost my package worth $2500 and is telling me they will only pay out $244. what recourse do I have to get the full amount they lost I sold a motor on eBay and FedEx "lost" the package at the center right before deliver. As the seller I'm trying to recoup my lost motor or get appropriate compensation for it. I filed a claim. Sent in documents to show the actual value and cost customer paid and FedEx is telling me they can only pay me $244. How screwed am I? | iwpzj7t | iwq3b3i | 1,668,694,493 | 1,668,696,181 | 81 | 1,900 | You did not insure nor declare the value of the item being shipped. Count yourself lucky they are willing to do anything besides refund the shipping costs. | > How screwed am I? Pretty much screwed. They only owe you whatever you insured the package for. It costs more for a reason. | 0 | 1,688 | 23.45679 |
yxr8a1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | FedEx lost my package worth $2500 and is telling me they will only pay out $244. what recourse do I have to get the full amount they lost I sold a motor on eBay and FedEx "lost" the package at the center right before deliver. As the seller I'm trying to recoup my lost motor or get appropriate compensation for it. I filed a claim. Sent in documents to show the actual value and cost customer paid and FedEx is telling me they can only pay me $244. How screwed am I? | iwpzcwh | iwq3b3i | 1,668,694,412 | 1,668,696,181 | 24 | 1,900 | Not a lawyer and this comes back to some of your agreement with FedEx, but generally speaking if you didn’t insure your package a private courier only refunds shipping costs. | > How screwed am I? Pretty much screwed. They only owe you whatever you insured the package for. It costs more for a reason. | 0 | 1,769 | 79.166667 |
yxr8a1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | FedEx lost my package worth $2500 and is telling me they will only pay out $244. what recourse do I have to get the full amount they lost I sold a motor on eBay and FedEx "lost" the package at the center right before deliver. As the seller I'm trying to recoup my lost motor or get appropriate compensation for it. I filed a claim. Sent in documents to show the actual value and cost customer paid and FedEx is telling me they can only pay me $244. How screwed am I? | iwqd1vh | iwql2al | 1,668,700,290 | 1,668,703,502 | 153 | 451 | There are two questions to answer: what did you declare the value of the shipment to be when you shipped it? And what insurance did you purchase for it? | There is, or used to be, an option to add additional insurance based on the value of the product, within the ebay shipping tool. If you didn't choose any additional insurance then your only real hope is that the package gets unlost. Otherwise you're out of luck. | 0 | 3,212 | 2.947712 |
yxr8a1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | FedEx lost my package worth $2500 and is telling me they will only pay out $244. what recourse do I have to get the full amount they lost I sold a motor on eBay and FedEx "lost" the package at the center right before deliver. As the seller I'm trying to recoup my lost motor or get appropriate compensation for it. I filed a claim. Sent in documents to show the actual value and cost customer paid and FedEx is telling me they can only pay me $244. How screwed am I? | iwql2al | iwq7bjy | 1,668,703,502 | 1,668,697,923 | 451 | 117 | There is, or used to be, an option to add additional insurance based on the value of the product, within the ebay shipping tool. If you didn't choose any additional insurance then your only real hope is that the package gets unlost. Otherwise you're out of luck. | Did you insure the package? Identify its value when shipping? | 1 | 5,579 | 3.854701 |
yxr8a1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | FedEx lost my package worth $2500 and is telling me they will only pay out $244. what recourse do I have to get the full amount they lost I sold a motor on eBay and FedEx "lost" the package at the center right before deliver. As the seller I'm trying to recoup my lost motor or get appropriate compensation for it. I filed a claim. Sent in documents to show the actual value and cost customer paid and FedEx is telling me they can only pay me $244. How screwed am I? | iwpzj7t | iwql2al | 1,668,694,493 | 1,668,703,502 | 81 | 451 | You did not insure nor declare the value of the item being shipped. Count yourself lucky they are willing to do anything besides refund the shipping costs. | There is, or used to be, an option to add additional insurance based on the value of the product, within the ebay shipping tool. If you didn't choose any additional insurance then your only real hope is that the package gets unlost. Otherwise you're out of luck. | 0 | 9,009 | 5.567901 |
yxr8a1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | FedEx lost my package worth $2500 and is telling me they will only pay out $244. what recourse do I have to get the full amount they lost I sold a motor on eBay and FedEx "lost" the package at the center right before deliver. As the seller I'm trying to recoup my lost motor or get appropriate compensation for it. I filed a claim. Sent in documents to show the actual value and cost customer paid and FedEx is telling me they can only pay me $244. How screwed am I? | iwpzcwh | iwql2al | 1,668,694,412 | 1,668,703,502 | 24 | 451 | Not a lawyer and this comes back to some of your agreement with FedEx, but generally speaking if you didn’t insure your package a private courier only refunds shipping costs. | There is, or used to be, an option to add additional insurance based on the value of the product, within the ebay shipping tool. If you didn't choose any additional insurance then your only real hope is that the package gets unlost. Otherwise you're out of luck. | 0 | 9,090 | 18.791667 |
yxr8a1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | FedEx lost my package worth $2500 and is telling me they will only pay out $244. what recourse do I have to get the full amount they lost I sold a motor on eBay and FedEx "lost" the package at the center right before deliver. As the seller I'm trying to recoup my lost motor or get appropriate compensation for it. I filed a claim. Sent in documents to show the actual value and cost customer paid and FedEx is telling me they can only pay me $244. How screwed am I? | iwqd1vh | iwqrx75 | 1,668,700,290 | 1,668,706,200 | 153 | 281 | There are two questions to answer: what did you declare the value of the shipment to be when you shipped it? And what insurance did you purchase for it? | Very. The value of a lost shipment is covered by insurance the shipper purchases. | 0 | 5,910 | 1.836601 |
yxr8a1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | FedEx lost my package worth $2500 and is telling me they will only pay out $244. what recourse do I have to get the full amount they lost I sold a motor on eBay and FedEx "lost" the package at the center right before deliver. As the seller I'm trying to recoup my lost motor or get appropriate compensation for it. I filed a claim. Sent in documents to show the actual value and cost customer paid and FedEx is telling me they can only pay me $244. How screwed am I? | iwqrx75 | iwq7bjy | 1,668,706,200 | 1,668,697,923 | 281 | 117 | Very. The value of a lost shipment is covered by insurance the shipper purchases. | Did you insure the package? Identify its value when shipping? | 1 | 8,277 | 2.401709 |
yxr8a1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | FedEx lost my package worth $2500 and is telling me they will only pay out $244. what recourse do I have to get the full amount they lost I sold a motor on eBay and FedEx "lost" the package at the center right before deliver. As the seller I'm trying to recoup my lost motor or get appropriate compensation for it. I filed a claim. Sent in documents to show the actual value and cost customer paid and FedEx is telling me they can only pay me $244. How screwed am I? | iwpzj7t | iwqrx75 | 1,668,694,493 | 1,668,706,200 | 81 | 281 | You did not insure nor declare the value of the item being shipped. Count yourself lucky they are willing to do anything besides refund the shipping costs. | Very. The value of a lost shipment is covered by insurance the shipper purchases. | 0 | 11,707 | 3.469136 |
yxr8a1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | FedEx lost my package worth $2500 and is telling me they will only pay out $244. what recourse do I have to get the full amount they lost I sold a motor on eBay and FedEx "lost" the package at the center right before deliver. As the seller I'm trying to recoup my lost motor or get appropriate compensation for it. I filed a claim. Sent in documents to show the actual value and cost customer paid and FedEx is telling me they can only pay me $244. How screwed am I? | iwqrx75 | iwpzcwh | 1,668,706,200 | 1,668,694,412 | 281 | 24 | Very. The value of a lost shipment is covered by insurance the shipper purchases. | Not a lawyer and this comes back to some of your agreement with FedEx, but generally speaking if you didn’t insure your package a private courier only refunds shipping costs. | 1 | 11,788 | 11.708333 |
yxr8a1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | FedEx lost my package worth $2500 and is telling me they will only pay out $244. what recourse do I have to get the full amount they lost I sold a motor on eBay and FedEx "lost" the package at the center right before deliver. As the seller I'm trying to recoup my lost motor or get appropriate compensation for it. I filed a claim. Sent in documents to show the actual value and cost customer paid and FedEx is telling me they can only pay me $244. How screwed am I? | iwqd1vh | iwrl3qa | 1,668,700,290 | 1,668,717,689 | 153 | 206 | There are two questions to answer: what did you declare the value of the shipment to be when you shipped it? And what insurance did you purchase for it? | Look at the tracking and see if you can figure out what facility it vanished at. Then call that site's local operations manager and explain. Don't bother with the FedEx support line, they can't/won't help much. An motor is a huge parcel. If it didn't get delivered then chances are all labels somehow got torn off and lost. It is also a huge package that the site manager would want to get out of his facility. USPS lost one of my packages and it was found by getting through to the local Postmaster. I first tried calling support and the guy on the phone literelly told me its not their problem. | 0 | 17,399 | 1.346405 |
yxr8a1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | FedEx lost my package worth $2500 and is telling me they will only pay out $244. what recourse do I have to get the full amount they lost I sold a motor on eBay and FedEx "lost" the package at the center right before deliver. As the seller I'm trying to recoup my lost motor or get appropriate compensation for it. I filed a claim. Sent in documents to show the actual value and cost customer paid and FedEx is telling me they can only pay me $244. How screwed am I? | iwq7bjy | iwrl3qa | 1,668,697,923 | 1,668,717,689 | 117 | 206 | Did you insure the package? Identify its value when shipping? | Look at the tracking and see if you can figure out what facility it vanished at. Then call that site's local operations manager and explain. Don't bother with the FedEx support line, they can't/won't help much. An motor is a huge parcel. If it didn't get delivered then chances are all labels somehow got torn off and lost. It is also a huge package that the site manager would want to get out of his facility. USPS lost one of my packages and it was found by getting through to the local Postmaster. I first tried calling support and the guy on the phone literelly told me its not their problem. | 0 | 19,766 | 1.760684 |
yxr8a1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | FedEx lost my package worth $2500 and is telling me they will only pay out $244. what recourse do I have to get the full amount they lost I sold a motor on eBay and FedEx "lost" the package at the center right before deliver. As the seller I'm trying to recoup my lost motor or get appropriate compensation for it. I filed a claim. Sent in documents to show the actual value and cost customer paid and FedEx is telling me they can only pay me $244. How screwed am I? | iwrl3qa | iwpzj7t | 1,668,717,689 | 1,668,694,493 | 206 | 81 | Look at the tracking and see if you can figure out what facility it vanished at. Then call that site's local operations manager and explain. Don't bother with the FedEx support line, they can't/won't help much. An motor is a huge parcel. If it didn't get delivered then chances are all labels somehow got torn off and lost. It is also a huge package that the site manager would want to get out of his facility. USPS lost one of my packages and it was found by getting through to the local Postmaster. I first tried calling support and the guy on the phone literelly told me its not their problem. | You did not insure nor declare the value of the item being shipped. Count yourself lucky they are willing to do anything besides refund the shipping costs. | 1 | 23,196 | 2.54321 |
yxr8a1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | FedEx lost my package worth $2500 and is telling me they will only pay out $244. what recourse do I have to get the full amount they lost I sold a motor on eBay and FedEx "lost" the package at the center right before deliver. As the seller I'm trying to recoup my lost motor or get appropriate compensation for it. I filed a claim. Sent in documents to show the actual value and cost customer paid and FedEx is telling me they can only pay me $244. How screwed am I? | iwrl3qa | iwpzcwh | 1,668,717,689 | 1,668,694,412 | 206 | 24 | Look at the tracking and see if you can figure out what facility it vanished at. Then call that site's local operations manager and explain. Don't bother with the FedEx support line, they can't/won't help much. An motor is a huge parcel. If it didn't get delivered then chances are all labels somehow got torn off and lost. It is also a huge package that the site manager would want to get out of his facility. USPS lost one of my packages and it was found by getting through to the local Postmaster. I first tried calling support and the guy on the phone literelly told me its not their problem. | Not a lawyer and this comes back to some of your agreement with FedEx, but generally speaking if you didn’t insure your package a private courier only refunds shipping costs. | 1 | 23,277 | 8.583333 |
yxr8a1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | FedEx lost my package worth $2500 and is telling me they will only pay out $244. what recourse do I have to get the full amount they lost I sold a motor on eBay and FedEx "lost" the package at the center right before deliver. As the seller I'm trying to recoup my lost motor or get appropriate compensation for it. I filed a claim. Sent in documents to show the actual value and cost customer paid and FedEx is telling me they can only pay me $244. How screwed am I? | iwrl3qa | iwr9g1v | 1,668,717,689 | 1,668,713,075 | 206 | 26 | Look at the tracking and see if you can figure out what facility it vanished at. Then call that site's local operations manager and explain. Don't bother with the FedEx support line, they can't/won't help much. An motor is a huge parcel. If it didn't get delivered then chances are all labels somehow got torn off and lost. It is also a huge package that the site manager would want to get out of his facility. USPS lost one of my packages and it was found by getting through to the local Postmaster. I first tried calling support and the guy on the phone literelly told me its not their problem. | I used to work for ups and they would not pay out over $100 for a lost package unless insurance was paid for a higher declared amount-- if you didn't declare the value of the items and pay for more of the insurance, you're probably just screwed. That's why you pay to insure valuables, unfortunately. | 1 | 4,614 | 7.923077 |
yxr8a1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | FedEx lost my package worth $2500 and is telling me they will only pay out $244. what recourse do I have to get the full amount they lost I sold a motor on eBay and FedEx "lost" the package at the center right before deliver. As the seller I'm trying to recoup my lost motor or get appropriate compensation for it. I filed a claim. Sent in documents to show the actual value and cost customer paid and FedEx is telling me they can only pay me $244. How screwed am I? | iwr5nw3 | iwrl3qa | 1,668,711,570 | 1,668,717,689 | 15 | 206 | How much insurance did you purchase? | Look at the tracking and see if you can figure out what facility it vanished at. Then call that site's local operations manager and explain. Don't bother with the FedEx support line, they can't/won't help much. An motor is a huge parcel. If it didn't get delivered then chances are all labels somehow got torn off and lost. It is also a huge package that the site manager would want to get out of his facility. USPS lost one of my packages and it was found by getting through to the local Postmaster. I first tried calling support and the guy on the phone literelly told me its not their problem. | 0 | 6,119 | 13.733333 |
yxr8a1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | FedEx lost my package worth $2500 and is telling me they will only pay out $244. what recourse do I have to get the full amount they lost I sold a motor on eBay and FedEx "lost" the package at the center right before deliver. As the seller I'm trying to recoup my lost motor or get appropriate compensation for it. I filed a claim. Sent in documents to show the actual value and cost customer paid and FedEx is telling me they can only pay me $244. How screwed am I? | iwrl3qa | iwravqs | 1,668,717,689 | 1,668,713,642 | 206 | 15 | Look at the tracking and see if you can figure out what facility it vanished at. Then call that site's local operations manager and explain. Don't bother with the FedEx support line, they can't/won't help much. An motor is a huge parcel. If it didn't get delivered then chances are all labels somehow got torn off and lost. It is also a huge package that the site manager would want to get out of his facility. USPS lost one of my packages and it was found by getting through to the local Postmaster. I first tried calling support and the guy on the phone literelly told me its not their problem. | As others posted, if you didn’t purchase additional insurance for the full value of the shipment, you are out of luck. Please be aware however that sometimes lost shipments mysteriously make it to their destination many weeks after being listed as “lost.” (I’ve experienced this.) But because the shipment is going to the Buyer, you’d have no way to track this unless the Buyer is honest and reports to eBay that the shipment finally arrived AND in good condition. This is a long shot, but it is at least a glimmer of hope to get the full amount of the engine. | 1 | 4,047 | 13.733333 |
yxr8a1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | FedEx lost my package worth $2500 and is telling me they will only pay out $244. what recourse do I have to get the full amount they lost I sold a motor on eBay and FedEx "lost" the package at the center right before deliver. As the seller I'm trying to recoup my lost motor or get appropriate compensation for it. I filed a claim. Sent in documents to show the actual value and cost customer paid and FedEx is telling me they can only pay me $244. How screwed am I? | iwqd1vh | iwq7bjy | 1,668,700,290 | 1,668,697,923 | 153 | 117 | There are two questions to answer: what did you declare the value of the shipment to be when you shipped it? And what insurance did you purchase for it? | Did you insure the package? Identify its value when shipping? | 1 | 2,367 | 1.307692 |
yxr8a1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | FedEx lost my package worth $2500 and is telling me they will only pay out $244. what recourse do I have to get the full amount they lost I sold a motor on eBay and FedEx "lost" the package at the center right before deliver. As the seller I'm trying to recoup my lost motor or get appropriate compensation for it. I filed a claim. Sent in documents to show the actual value and cost customer paid and FedEx is telling me they can only pay me $244. How screwed am I? | iwqd1vh | iwpzj7t | 1,668,700,290 | 1,668,694,493 | 153 | 81 | There are two questions to answer: what did you declare the value of the shipment to be when you shipped it? And what insurance did you purchase for it? | You did not insure nor declare the value of the item being shipped. Count yourself lucky they are willing to do anything besides refund the shipping costs. | 1 | 5,797 | 1.888889 |
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