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yxr8a1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | FedEx lost my package worth $2500 and is telling me they will only pay out $244. what recourse do I have to get the full amount they lost I sold a motor on eBay and FedEx "lost" the package at the center right before deliver. As the seller I'm trying to recoup my lost motor or get appropriate compensation for it. I filed a claim. Sent in documents to show the actual value and cost customer paid and FedEx is telling me they can only pay me $244. How screwed am I? | iwqd1vh | iwpzcwh | 1,668,700,290 | 1,668,694,412 | 153 | 24 | There are two questions to answer: what did you declare the value of the shipment to be when you shipped it? And what insurance did you purchase for it? | Not a lawyer and this comes back to some of your agreement with FedEx, but generally speaking if you didn’t insure your package a private courier only refunds shipping costs. | 1 | 5,878 | 6.375 |
yxr8a1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | FedEx lost my package worth $2500 and is telling me they will only pay out $244. what recourse do I have to get the full amount they lost I sold a motor on eBay and FedEx "lost" the package at the center right before deliver. As the seller I'm trying to recoup my lost motor or get appropriate compensation for it. I filed a claim. Sent in documents to show the actual value and cost customer paid and FedEx is telling me they can only pay me $244. How screwed am I? | iws0av7 | iwq7bjy | 1,668,723,887 | 1,668,697,923 | 150 | 117 | $244, I'm guessing you paid $144 shipping and are getting a $100 standard insurance. If you didn't opt to pay for additional insurance, that's all you get. I would give them time to find the shipment, before taking the $244, because once you are paid, the lost item is no longer yours. | Did you insure the package? Identify its value when shipping? | 1 | 25,964 | 1.282051 |
yxr8a1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | FedEx lost my package worth $2500 and is telling me they will only pay out $244. what recourse do I have to get the full amount they lost I sold a motor on eBay and FedEx "lost" the package at the center right before deliver. As the seller I'm trying to recoup my lost motor or get appropriate compensation for it. I filed a claim. Sent in documents to show the actual value and cost customer paid and FedEx is telling me they can only pay me $244. How screwed am I? | iws0av7 | iwpzj7t | 1,668,723,887 | 1,668,694,493 | 150 | 81 | $244, I'm guessing you paid $144 shipping and are getting a $100 standard insurance. If you didn't opt to pay for additional insurance, that's all you get. I would give them time to find the shipment, before taking the $244, because once you are paid, the lost item is no longer yours. | You did not insure nor declare the value of the item being shipped. Count yourself lucky they are willing to do anything besides refund the shipping costs. | 1 | 29,394 | 1.851852 |
yxr8a1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | FedEx lost my package worth $2500 and is telling me they will only pay out $244. what recourse do I have to get the full amount they lost I sold a motor on eBay and FedEx "lost" the package at the center right before deliver. As the seller I'm trying to recoup my lost motor or get appropriate compensation for it. I filed a claim. Sent in documents to show the actual value and cost customer paid and FedEx is telling me they can only pay me $244. How screwed am I? | iws0av7 | iwruc3x | 1,668,723,887 | 1,668,721,369 | 150 | 42 | $244, I'm guessing you paid $144 shipping and are getting a $100 standard insurance. If you didn't opt to pay for additional insurance, that's all you get. I would give them time to find the shipment, before taking the $244, because once you are paid, the lost item is no longer yours. | I’ll tell you this - if they give you a check for $244 (or any amount) and you deposit it, you’ve lost your right to appeal and ask for more | 1 | 2,518 | 3.571429 |
yxr8a1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | FedEx lost my package worth $2500 and is telling me they will only pay out $244. what recourse do I have to get the full amount they lost I sold a motor on eBay and FedEx "lost" the package at the center right before deliver. As the seller I'm trying to recoup my lost motor or get appropriate compensation for it. I filed a claim. Sent in documents to show the actual value and cost customer paid and FedEx is telling me they can only pay me $244. How screwed am I? | iwpzcwh | iws0av7 | 1,668,694,412 | 1,668,723,887 | 24 | 150 | Not a lawyer and this comes back to some of your agreement with FedEx, but generally speaking if you didn’t insure your package a private courier only refunds shipping costs. | $244, I'm guessing you paid $144 shipping and are getting a $100 standard insurance. If you didn't opt to pay for additional insurance, that's all you get. I would give them time to find the shipment, before taking the $244, because once you are paid, the lost item is no longer yours. | 0 | 29,475 | 6.25 |
yxr8a1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | FedEx lost my package worth $2500 and is telling me they will only pay out $244. what recourse do I have to get the full amount they lost I sold a motor on eBay and FedEx "lost" the package at the center right before deliver. As the seller I'm trying to recoup my lost motor or get appropriate compensation for it. I filed a claim. Sent in documents to show the actual value and cost customer paid and FedEx is telling me they can only pay me $244. How screwed am I? | iwr9g1v | iws0av7 | 1,668,713,075 | 1,668,723,887 | 26 | 150 | I used to work for ups and they would not pay out over $100 for a lost package unless insurance was paid for a higher declared amount-- if you didn't declare the value of the items and pay for more of the insurance, you're probably just screwed. That's why you pay to insure valuables, unfortunately. | $244, I'm guessing you paid $144 shipping and are getting a $100 standard insurance. If you didn't opt to pay for additional insurance, that's all you get. I would give them time to find the shipment, before taking the $244, because once you are paid, the lost item is no longer yours. | 0 | 10,812 | 5.769231 |
yxr8a1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | FedEx lost my package worth $2500 and is telling me they will only pay out $244. what recourse do I have to get the full amount they lost I sold a motor on eBay and FedEx "lost" the package at the center right before deliver. As the seller I'm trying to recoup my lost motor or get appropriate compensation for it. I filed a claim. Sent in documents to show the actual value and cost customer paid and FedEx is telling me they can only pay me $244. How screwed am I? | iws0av7 | iwr5nw3 | 1,668,723,887 | 1,668,711,570 | 150 | 15 | $244, I'm guessing you paid $144 shipping and are getting a $100 standard insurance. If you didn't opt to pay for additional insurance, that's all you get. I would give them time to find the shipment, before taking the $244, because once you are paid, the lost item is no longer yours. | How much insurance did you purchase? | 1 | 12,317 | 10 |
yxr8a1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | FedEx lost my package worth $2500 and is telling me they will only pay out $244. what recourse do I have to get the full amount they lost I sold a motor on eBay and FedEx "lost" the package at the center right before deliver. As the seller I'm trying to recoup my lost motor or get appropriate compensation for it. I filed a claim. Sent in documents to show the actual value and cost customer paid and FedEx is telling me they can only pay me $244. How screwed am I? | iwravqs | iws0av7 | 1,668,713,642 | 1,668,723,887 | 15 | 150 | As others posted, if you didn’t purchase additional insurance for the full value of the shipment, you are out of luck. Please be aware however that sometimes lost shipments mysteriously make it to their destination many weeks after being listed as “lost.” (I’ve experienced this.) But because the shipment is going to the Buyer, you’d have no way to track this unless the Buyer is honest and reports to eBay that the shipment finally arrived AND in good condition. This is a long shot, but it is at least a glimmer of hope to get the full amount of the engine. | $244, I'm guessing you paid $144 shipping and are getting a $100 standard insurance. If you didn't opt to pay for additional insurance, that's all you get. I would give them time to find the shipment, before taking the $244, because once you are paid, the lost item is no longer yours. | 0 | 10,245 | 10 |
yxr8a1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | FedEx lost my package worth $2500 and is telling me they will only pay out $244. what recourse do I have to get the full amount they lost I sold a motor on eBay and FedEx "lost" the package at the center right before deliver. As the seller I'm trying to recoup my lost motor or get appropriate compensation for it. I filed a claim. Sent in documents to show the actual value and cost customer paid and FedEx is telling me they can only pay me $244. How screwed am I? | iwq7bjy | iwpzj7t | 1,668,697,923 | 1,668,694,493 | 117 | 81 | Did you insure the package? Identify its value when shipping? | You did not insure nor declare the value of the item being shipped. Count yourself lucky they are willing to do anything besides refund the shipping costs. | 1 | 3,430 | 1.444444 |
yxr8a1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | FedEx lost my package worth $2500 and is telling me they will only pay out $244. what recourse do I have to get the full amount they lost I sold a motor on eBay and FedEx "lost" the package at the center right before deliver. As the seller I'm trying to recoup my lost motor or get appropriate compensation for it. I filed a claim. Sent in documents to show the actual value and cost customer paid and FedEx is telling me they can only pay me $244. How screwed am I? | iwpzcwh | iwq7bjy | 1,668,694,412 | 1,668,697,923 | 24 | 117 | Not a lawyer and this comes back to some of your agreement with FedEx, but generally speaking if you didn’t insure your package a private courier only refunds shipping costs. | Did you insure the package? Identify its value when shipping? | 0 | 3,511 | 4.875 |
yxr8a1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | FedEx lost my package worth $2500 and is telling me they will only pay out $244. what recourse do I have to get the full amount they lost I sold a motor on eBay and FedEx "lost" the package at the center right before deliver. As the seller I'm trying to recoup my lost motor or get appropriate compensation for it. I filed a claim. Sent in documents to show the actual value and cost customer paid and FedEx is telling me they can only pay me $244. How screwed am I? | iwpzcwh | iwpzj7t | 1,668,694,412 | 1,668,694,493 | 24 | 81 | Not a lawyer and this comes back to some of your agreement with FedEx, but generally speaking if you didn’t insure your package a private courier only refunds shipping costs. | You did not insure nor declare the value of the item being shipped. Count yourself lucky they are willing to do anything besides refund the shipping costs. | 0 | 81 | 3.375 |
yxr8a1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | FedEx lost my package worth $2500 and is telling me they will only pay out $244. what recourse do I have to get the full amount they lost I sold a motor on eBay and FedEx "lost" the package at the center right before deliver. As the seller I'm trying to recoup my lost motor or get appropriate compensation for it. I filed a claim. Sent in documents to show the actual value and cost customer paid and FedEx is telling me they can only pay me $244. How screwed am I? | iwruc3x | iwpzcwh | 1,668,721,369 | 1,668,694,412 | 42 | 24 | I’ll tell you this - if they give you a check for $244 (or any amount) and you deposit it, you’ve lost your right to appeal and ask for more | Not a lawyer and this comes back to some of your agreement with FedEx, but generally speaking if you didn’t insure your package a private courier only refunds shipping costs. | 1 | 26,957 | 1.75 |
yxr8a1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | FedEx lost my package worth $2500 and is telling me they will only pay out $244. what recourse do I have to get the full amount they lost I sold a motor on eBay and FedEx "lost" the package at the center right before deliver. As the seller I'm trying to recoup my lost motor or get appropriate compensation for it. I filed a claim. Sent in documents to show the actual value and cost customer paid and FedEx is telling me they can only pay me $244. How screwed am I? | iwruc3x | iwr9g1v | 1,668,721,369 | 1,668,713,075 | 42 | 26 | I’ll tell you this - if they give you a check for $244 (or any amount) and you deposit it, you’ve lost your right to appeal and ask for more | I used to work for ups and they would not pay out over $100 for a lost package unless insurance was paid for a higher declared amount-- if you didn't declare the value of the items and pay for more of the insurance, you're probably just screwed. That's why you pay to insure valuables, unfortunately. | 1 | 8,294 | 1.615385 |
yxr8a1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | FedEx lost my package worth $2500 and is telling me they will only pay out $244. what recourse do I have to get the full amount they lost I sold a motor on eBay and FedEx "lost" the package at the center right before deliver. As the seller I'm trying to recoup my lost motor or get appropriate compensation for it. I filed a claim. Sent in documents to show the actual value and cost customer paid and FedEx is telling me they can only pay me $244. How screwed am I? | iwr5nw3 | iwruc3x | 1,668,711,570 | 1,668,721,369 | 15 | 42 | How much insurance did you purchase? | I’ll tell you this - if they give you a check for $244 (or any amount) and you deposit it, you’ve lost your right to appeal and ask for more | 0 | 9,799 | 2.8 |
yxr8a1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | FedEx lost my package worth $2500 and is telling me they will only pay out $244. what recourse do I have to get the full amount they lost I sold a motor on eBay and FedEx "lost" the package at the center right before deliver. As the seller I'm trying to recoup my lost motor or get appropriate compensation for it. I filed a claim. Sent in documents to show the actual value and cost customer paid and FedEx is telling me they can only pay me $244. How screwed am I? | iwruc3x | iwravqs | 1,668,721,369 | 1,668,713,642 | 42 | 15 | I’ll tell you this - if they give you a check for $244 (or any amount) and you deposit it, you’ve lost your right to appeal and ask for more | As others posted, if you didn’t purchase additional insurance for the full value of the shipment, you are out of luck. Please be aware however that sometimes lost shipments mysteriously make it to their destination many weeks after being listed as “lost.” (I’ve experienced this.) But because the shipment is going to the Buyer, you’d have no way to track this unless the Buyer is honest and reports to eBay that the shipment finally arrived AND in good condition. This is a long shot, but it is at least a glimmer of hope to get the full amount of the engine. | 1 | 7,727 | 2.8 |
yxr8a1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | FedEx lost my package worth $2500 and is telling me they will only pay out $244. what recourse do I have to get the full amount they lost I sold a motor on eBay and FedEx "lost" the package at the center right before deliver. As the seller I'm trying to recoup my lost motor or get appropriate compensation for it. I filed a claim. Sent in documents to show the actual value and cost customer paid and FedEx is telling me they can only pay me $244. How screwed am I? | iwr9g1v | iwpzcwh | 1,668,713,075 | 1,668,694,412 | 26 | 24 | I used to work for ups and they would not pay out over $100 for a lost package unless insurance was paid for a higher declared amount-- if you didn't declare the value of the items and pay for more of the insurance, you're probably just screwed. That's why you pay to insure valuables, unfortunately. | Not a lawyer and this comes back to some of your agreement with FedEx, but generally speaking if you didn’t insure your package a private courier only refunds shipping costs. | 1 | 18,663 | 1.083333 |
yxr8a1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | FedEx lost my package worth $2500 and is telling me they will only pay out $244. what recourse do I have to get the full amount they lost I sold a motor on eBay and FedEx "lost" the package at the center right before deliver. As the seller I'm trying to recoup my lost motor or get appropriate compensation for it. I filed a claim. Sent in documents to show the actual value and cost customer paid and FedEx is telling me they can only pay me $244. How screwed am I? | iwr5nw3 | iwr9g1v | 1,668,711,570 | 1,668,713,075 | 15 | 26 | How much insurance did you purchase? | I used to work for ups and they would not pay out over $100 for a lost package unless insurance was paid for a higher declared amount-- if you didn't declare the value of the items and pay for more of the insurance, you're probably just screwed. That's why you pay to insure valuables, unfortunately. | 0 | 1,505 | 1.733333 |
5akt6j | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | (TX) Neighbor cut tree down and threw limbs/trunk into my yard damaging my fence. Need advice! My neighbor hired people to cut out the top of one of his trees and drop the trunk sections and limbs over his fence and into my yard and two other neighbors, damaging our fences. This tree was not leaning over any of our yards and there is no way any of the materials would have dropped in our yards naturally. I spoke to the workers and my neighbor and they all ensured me that they would pick up the trunk sections and fix my fence. They then bent back my mangled fence, not actually repairing it, and then he paid them and they left without picking up the giant trunk sections they dumped into my yard. It has been several days and my neighbor will not respond to any emails or phone calls and he won’t answer the door. I figured this would happen because he is an old disbarred attorney that has a reputation for screwing people over. Since I anticipated this, I took video of the workers dropping limbs and photos of the damage, workers vehicles/plates, and him speaking with them before they left to never come back. What are my options? Should I call the police? Take it to small claims court? I’d much rather not deal with the hassle of a court case, but he can’t just get away with dumping his crap on all of his neighbors and damaging our property. | d9i0w26 | d9hoifn | 1,478,065,862 | 1,478,047,415 | 3 | 2 | Call your local non emergency police, and request a police report documenting this criminal damage and disorderly conduct. Most states have victims bill of rights written into their constitutions and guarantee victims restitution (out of pocket). Since the burden in a criminal case is higher, if any conviction occurs this will come in any civil suit filled against him - though, unless he's money bags, I dont see this a fruitful. I'd consider getting some form of court order preventing him from contacting you in the future - narrows down focus on any future altercation and puts him on notice (helps establish necessary intent in criminal cases in future). If you get a conviction on a criminal case, you can request probation and no contact, no threatening, harming or harassing, etc, which is way more beneficial than the threat of jail. Depending on his criminal record, jail may be necessary, but isn't in and of itself a necessary component of criminal prosecutions. | If this were Dallas County, I would call 311 and report it to Code Enforcement. Is there something similar in Smith County? | 1 | 18,447 | 1.5 |
md1sxj | legaladvice_train | 0.92 | [NC] Neighbor's kid (2yo) threw his mom's purse over the fence and into my garden. I gave the purse back as soon as I saw it but now they accuse me of stealing from it. I have these neighbors, a family with a 2 yo son. The child is very smart and has a lot of creative ideas. One of them is that he loves to throw stuff over the fence that separates our gardens. Usually it's just a ball or a toy that I throw back, but he's also thrown things like headphones, a video game controller, a plastic bowl, a book... just about everything he can get his hands on it seems. Of course I always gave everything back. A few days ago he threw a small purse that belongs to his mom over the fence. I gave it back to my neighbors as soon as I found it but they knocked on my door an hour later and said that a phone was missing from the purse as well as $40 that were inside. I offered to search the area of the garden near the fence with them in case it would have fallen in the grass when the kid tossed the purse, but we couldn't find anything. I didn't take these things and told them so and they left, only to come back 20 minutes later because the "find my iPhone" thing is locating the device in my home (I don't have an iPhone so I have no idea how that works), but I didn't take this phone (nor the money) so I don't know how that could be. The neighbors accused me of going through the purse and taking stuff. I was offended and I accused them of not supervising their kid properly, and it ended up in a shouting match. I had to ask them to leave my property, but they say they will to call the police for theft. Now I know that I didn't do anything wrong and it's their job to tell their son to stop, still I'm worried because although we searched the garden thoroughly, there's still a possibility that the phone could be in the grass and we couldn't find it so technically it would be in my possession. I'd hate to be investigated for theft when I didn't do anything wrong, what should I do to be safe? | gs7jm9t | gs8y0nr | 1,616,701,228 | 1,616,725,646 | 19 | 26 | Here are a few thoughts on this: 1. They probably aren't actually going to call the cops, especially if that threat was made in the course of a heated argument. 2. Even if the phone is on your property, don't assume it's "technically in \[my\] possession." You looked for it, and couldn't find it. You don't know where it is, so it's not in your possession. Even if it was somehow in your possession as a matter of law, that doesn't make you guilty of theft, because you never took their property with the intention of depriving them of it. 3. If the cops do show up, don't let them search your house. Don't talk to them at all, really. If you really can't help yourself, keep it limited to that you didn't take it and don't where it is. 4. Did they try calling the phone? Do you have the number so you can try yourself? It's probably somewhere on their property. | Sounds like a scam indeed Don't let the police search without a warrant, you can be in trouble if they actually planted the iphone inside your house I would call the non emergency police line to report the situation beforehand | 0 | 24,418 | 1.368421 |
beoqid | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | [MA] I bought a house that was in foreclosure. The old mortgage company keeps sending certified foreclosure documents and is trying to charge me legal fees. They also keep sending people to my house. Do they have any standing? Hi all! So I recently bought a house in foreclosure. We had a real estate attorney complete the transaction, our mortgage is all funded, and the old mortgage company was paid off. However, the old mortgage company decided to add more fees and are now coming after us for them. They keep sending me certified letters and are threatening foreclosure (for the $2k fees). To add to it, they are hiring lawyers to send this docs and are charging me those lawyer fees! They also keep sending people to my house to inspect it (I see them in my security cams). What the hell are they doing? Do hey even have any standing to do this? The old mortgage company was terrible and stupid - our closing got pushed back 3 times because they did not have their shit together and refused to provide payoff amounts (and then charged fees for the closing date being pushed back). Can I kindly tell these people to get the hell off my property and the old mortgage company to leave me alone? Tl;dr: last residents mortgage company is trying to foreclose in my house. | el7uwna | el7g3ja | 1,555,621,767 | 1,555,612,716 | 106 | 73 | This is a stupid game to play in Massachusetts. The 93A consumer protection statutes allows for treble damages and fee-shifting (i.e. they pay for your lawyer if you win). Start with the closing attorney and go from there. | What fees, besides legal, are they trying to charge you for? The "old mortgage company" is who you bought your house from, unless they sold it off (not uncommon). If it was them you bought it from, you need to look at your Purchase and Sales agreement and see what costs you were responsible for. It's very uncommon that any costs would have not been paid out at closing. Are you sure they are threatening to foreclose? They have absolutely zero standing to do so unless they are your current mortgagee. | 1 | 9,051 | 1.452055 |
beoqid | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | [MA] I bought a house that was in foreclosure. The old mortgage company keeps sending certified foreclosure documents and is trying to charge me legal fees. They also keep sending people to my house. Do they have any standing? Hi all! So I recently bought a house in foreclosure. We had a real estate attorney complete the transaction, our mortgage is all funded, and the old mortgage company was paid off. However, the old mortgage company decided to add more fees and are now coming after us for them. They keep sending me certified letters and are threatening foreclosure (for the $2k fees). To add to it, they are hiring lawyers to send this docs and are charging me those lawyer fees! They also keep sending people to my house to inspect it (I see them in my security cams). What the hell are they doing? Do hey even have any standing to do this? The old mortgage company was terrible and stupid - our closing got pushed back 3 times because they did not have their shit together and refused to provide payoff amounts (and then charged fees for the closing date being pushed back). Can I kindly tell these people to get the hell off my property and the old mortgage company to leave me alone? Tl;dr: last residents mortgage company is trying to foreclose in my house. | el7uwna | el7d76v | 1,555,621,767 | 1,555,610,993 | 106 | 66 | This is a stupid game to play in Massachusetts. The 93A consumer protection statutes allows for treble damages and fee-shifting (i.e. they pay for your lawyer if you win). Start with the closing attorney and go from there. | This is worth it to have a lawyer tell them to desist. Alternatively, if you have title insurance, use it. Sick them on these nutjobs before it becomes a real problem. | 1 | 10,774 | 1.606061 |
beoqid | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | [MA] I bought a house that was in foreclosure. The old mortgage company keeps sending certified foreclosure documents and is trying to charge me legal fees. They also keep sending people to my house. Do they have any standing? Hi all! So I recently bought a house in foreclosure. We had a real estate attorney complete the transaction, our mortgage is all funded, and the old mortgage company was paid off. However, the old mortgage company decided to add more fees and are now coming after us for them. They keep sending me certified letters and are threatening foreclosure (for the $2k fees). To add to it, they are hiring lawyers to send this docs and are charging me those lawyer fees! They also keep sending people to my house to inspect it (I see them in my security cams). What the hell are they doing? Do hey even have any standing to do this? The old mortgage company was terrible and stupid - our closing got pushed back 3 times because they did not have their shit together and refused to provide payoff amounts (and then charged fees for the closing date being pushed back). Can I kindly tell these people to get the hell off my property and the old mortgage company to leave me alone? Tl;dr: last residents mortgage company is trying to foreclose in my house. | el7mxnl | el7uwna | 1,555,616,689 | 1,555,621,767 | 28 | 106 | You want to have a real estate attorney thoroughly investigate the situation. If it's as you think it is, that should be straightforward and they should quietly slink away when they realize how in the wrong they are. But - if there's something strange going on, such as a second mortgage or other debt that legitimately justifies the lien, you absolutely could have problems you need to sort out. If you purchased the home at auction and only received a sheriff's deed, that does NOT necessarily quiet old claims on the title and you MAY find out that someone else still has a legitimate interest in the property. | This is a stupid game to play in Massachusetts. The 93A consumer protection statutes allows for treble damages and fee-shifting (i.e. they pay for your lawyer if you win). Start with the closing attorney and go from there. | 0 | 5,078 | 3.785714 |
beoqid | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | [MA] I bought a house that was in foreclosure. The old mortgage company keeps sending certified foreclosure documents and is trying to charge me legal fees. They also keep sending people to my house. Do they have any standing? Hi all! So I recently bought a house in foreclosure. We had a real estate attorney complete the transaction, our mortgage is all funded, and the old mortgage company was paid off. However, the old mortgage company decided to add more fees and are now coming after us for them. They keep sending me certified letters and are threatening foreclosure (for the $2k fees). To add to it, they are hiring lawyers to send this docs and are charging me those lawyer fees! They also keep sending people to my house to inspect it (I see them in my security cams). What the hell are they doing? Do hey even have any standing to do this? The old mortgage company was terrible and stupid - our closing got pushed back 3 times because they did not have their shit together and refused to provide payoff amounts (and then charged fees for the closing date being pushed back). Can I kindly tell these people to get the hell off my property and the old mortgage company to leave me alone? Tl;dr: last residents mortgage company is trying to foreclose in my house. | el7uwna | el7f8ub | 1,555,621,767 | 1,555,612,233 | 106 | 27 | This is a stupid game to play in Massachusetts. The 93A consumer protection statutes allows for treble damages and fee-shifting (i.e. they pay for your lawyer if you win). Start with the closing attorney and go from there. | Title insurance? | 1 | 9,534 | 3.925926 |
beoqid | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | [MA] I bought a house that was in foreclosure. The old mortgage company keeps sending certified foreclosure documents and is trying to charge me legal fees. They also keep sending people to my house. Do they have any standing? Hi all! So I recently bought a house in foreclosure. We had a real estate attorney complete the transaction, our mortgage is all funded, and the old mortgage company was paid off. However, the old mortgage company decided to add more fees and are now coming after us for them. They keep sending me certified letters and are threatening foreclosure (for the $2k fees). To add to it, they are hiring lawyers to send this docs and are charging me those lawyer fees! They also keep sending people to my house to inspect it (I see them in my security cams). What the hell are they doing? Do hey even have any standing to do this? The old mortgage company was terrible and stupid - our closing got pushed back 3 times because they did not have their shit together and refused to provide payoff amounts (and then charged fees for the closing date being pushed back). Can I kindly tell these people to get the hell off my property and the old mortgage company to leave me alone? Tl;dr: last residents mortgage company is trying to foreclose in my house. | el7qyat | el7uwna | 1,555,619,175 | 1,555,621,767 | 10 | 106 | Hire a lawyer to tell them to stop, and retaining a lawyer will be *especially* useful if they actually try to foreclose on your house. Consider planting "no trespassing" signs. | This is a stupid game to play in Massachusetts. The 93A consumer protection statutes allows for treble damages and fee-shifting (i.e. they pay for your lawyer if you win). Start with the closing attorney and go from there. | 0 | 2,592 | 10.6 |
beoqid | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | [MA] I bought a house that was in foreclosure. The old mortgage company keeps sending certified foreclosure documents and is trying to charge me legal fees. They also keep sending people to my house. Do they have any standing? Hi all! So I recently bought a house in foreclosure. We had a real estate attorney complete the transaction, our mortgage is all funded, and the old mortgage company was paid off. However, the old mortgage company decided to add more fees and are now coming after us for them. They keep sending me certified letters and are threatening foreclosure (for the $2k fees). To add to it, they are hiring lawyers to send this docs and are charging me those lawyer fees! They also keep sending people to my house to inspect it (I see them in my security cams). What the hell are they doing? Do hey even have any standing to do this? The old mortgage company was terrible and stupid - our closing got pushed back 3 times because they did not have their shit together and refused to provide payoff amounts (and then charged fees for the closing date being pushed back). Can I kindly tell these people to get the hell off my property and the old mortgage company to leave me alone? Tl;dr: last residents mortgage company is trying to foreclose in my house. | el7d76v | el7g3ja | 1,555,610,993 | 1,555,612,716 | 66 | 73 | This is worth it to have a lawyer tell them to desist. Alternatively, if you have title insurance, use it. Sick them on these nutjobs before it becomes a real problem. | What fees, besides legal, are they trying to charge you for? The "old mortgage company" is who you bought your house from, unless they sold it off (not uncommon). If it was them you bought it from, you need to look at your Purchase and Sales agreement and see what costs you were responsible for. It's very uncommon that any costs would have not been paid out at closing. Are you sure they are threatening to foreclose? They have absolutely zero standing to do so unless they are your current mortgagee. | 0 | 1,723 | 1.106061 |
beoqid | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | [MA] I bought a house that was in foreclosure. The old mortgage company keeps sending certified foreclosure documents and is trying to charge me legal fees. They also keep sending people to my house. Do they have any standing? Hi all! So I recently bought a house in foreclosure. We had a real estate attorney complete the transaction, our mortgage is all funded, and the old mortgage company was paid off. However, the old mortgage company decided to add more fees and are now coming after us for them. They keep sending me certified letters and are threatening foreclosure (for the $2k fees). To add to it, they are hiring lawyers to send this docs and are charging me those lawyer fees! They also keep sending people to my house to inspect it (I see them in my security cams). What the hell are they doing? Do hey even have any standing to do this? The old mortgage company was terrible and stupid - our closing got pushed back 3 times because they did not have their shit together and refused to provide payoff amounts (and then charged fees for the closing date being pushed back). Can I kindly tell these people to get the hell off my property and the old mortgage company to leave me alone? Tl;dr: last residents mortgage company is trying to foreclose in my house. | el7f8ub | el7g3ja | 1,555,612,233 | 1,555,612,716 | 27 | 73 | Title insurance? | What fees, besides legal, are they trying to charge you for? The "old mortgage company" is who you bought your house from, unless they sold it off (not uncommon). If it was them you bought it from, you need to look at your Purchase and Sales agreement and see what costs you were responsible for. It's very uncommon that any costs would have not been paid out at closing. Are you sure they are threatening to foreclose? They have absolutely zero standing to do so unless they are your current mortgagee. | 0 | 483 | 2.703704 |
beoqid | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | [MA] I bought a house that was in foreclosure. The old mortgage company keeps sending certified foreclosure documents and is trying to charge me legal fees. They also keep sending people to my house. Do they have any standing? Hi all! So I recently bought a house in foreclosure. We had a real estate attorney complete the transaction, our mortgage is all funded, and the old mortgage company was paid off. However, the old mortgage company decided to add more fees and are now coming after us for them. They keep sending me certified letters and are threatening foreclosure (for the $2k fees). To add to it, they are hiring lawyers to send this docs and are charging me those lawyer fees! They also keep sending people to my house to inspect it (I see them in my security cams). What the hell are they doing? Do hey even have any standing to do this? The old mortgage company was terrible and stupid - our closing got pushed back 3 times because they did not have their shit together and refused to provide payoff amounts (and then charged fees for the closing date being pushed back). Can I kindly tell these people to get the hell off my property and the old mortgage company to leave me alone? Tl;dr: last residents mortgage company is trying to foreclose in my house. | el7mxnl | el7f8ub | 1,555,616,689 | 1,555,612,233 | 28 | 27 | You want to have a real estate attorney thoroughly investigate the situation. If it's as you think it is, that should be straightforward and they should quietly slink away when they realize how in the wrong they are. But - if there's something strange going on, such as a second mortgage or other debt that legitimately justifies the lien, you absolutely could have problems you need to sort out. If you purchased the home at auction and only received a sheriff's deed, that does NOT necessarily quiet old claims on the title and you MAY find out that someone else still has a legitimate interest in the property. | Title insurance? | 1 | 4,456 | 1.037037 |
6y7f5u | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | [FL] 4 year old son went on play date - $20k TV got broken but kids were unsupervised so don't know if it was my kid or his, owner wants me to pay half. Surely there's a limit on this kind of thing? My son went on a play date to some people we're friendly with through pre-k. While at their house, this guy's $20k TV got broken. There were no adults present so they don't know who broke it (his kid or mine). He says "lets's just split the difference". Putting aside the fact that this jackass had kids around a $20k TV in the first place, surely there's a limit on how much I would have to pay out? If this went to court, would he be responsible for the full amount as my kid was in his care? Could a judge say "a reasonable TV costs $1000 so give him $500?" If worst comes to worst, could I claim this on my home insurance? Finally, who lets kids unsupervised with a $20k TV? Dude's not even super loaded. If I found out he won the TV, would that give me wiggle room? | dml7i53 | dml5sor | 1,504,615,083 | 1,504,611,878 | 5,376 | 341 | Even under the strained assumption that your son is even liable, the TV would be valued based on its depreciated value, not its new value. Moreover, for a TV that expensive it might be able to be repaired for significantly less. For all of these reasons, you should not humor this BS claim. | By playdate do you mean you were in the home at the time? | 1 | 3,205 | 15.765396 |
6y7f5u | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | [FL] 4 year old son went on play date - $20k TV got broken but kids were unsupervised so don't know if it was my kid or his, owner wants me to pay half. Surely there's a limit on this kind of thing? My son went on a play date to some people we're friendly with through pre-k. While at their house, this guy's $20k TV got broken. There were no adults present so they don't know who broke it (his kid or mine). He says "lets's just split the difference". Putting aside the fact that this jackass had kids around a $20k TV in the first place, surely there's a limit on how much I would have to pay out? If this went to court, would he be responsible for the full amount as my kid was in his care? Could a judge say "a reasonable TV costs $1000 so give him $500?" If worst comes to worst, could I claim this on my home insurance? Finally, who lets kids unsupervised with a $20k TV? Dude's not even super loaded. If I found out he won the TV, would that give me wiggle room? | dml80ko | dml5sor | 1,504,615,945 | 1,504,611,878 | 2,242 | 341 | I don't think you or your child is in any way responsible for this, it falls on whatever adult was supposed to be supervising. And there's a 50/50 shot it was their kid's fault anyway. I think that's been covered in the other comments. I just wanted to add: also, there's a good chance that the $20K TV doesn't have $20K worth of damage. Even if the screen cracked or shattered, it can be replaced. | By playdate do you mean you were in the home at the time? | 1 | 4,067 | 6.57478 |
6y7f5u | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | [FL] 4 year old son went on play date - $20k TV got broken but kids were unsupervised so don't know if it was my kid or his, owner wants me to pay half. Surely there's a limit on this kind of thing? My son went on a play date to some people we're friendly with through pre-k. While at their house, this guy's $20k TV got broken. There were no adults present so they don't know who broke it (his kid or mine). He says "lets's just split the difference". Putting aside the fact that this jackass had kids around a $20k TV in the first place, surely there's a limit on how much I would have to pay out? If this went to court, would he be responsible for the full amount as my kid was in his care? Could a judge say "a reasonable TV costs $1000 so give him $500?" If worst comes to worst, could I claim this on my home insurance? Finally, who lets kids unsupervised with a $20k TV? Dude's not even super loaded. If I found out he won the TV, would that give me wiggle room? | dml80ko | dml7srf | 1,504,615,945 | 1,504,615,588 | 2,242 | 302 | I don't think you or your child is in any way responsible for this, it falls on whatever adult was supposed to be supervising. And there's a 50/50 shot it was their kid's fault anyway. I think that's been covered in the other comments. I just wanted to add: also, there's a good chance that the $20K TV doesn't have $20K worth of damage. Even if the screen cracked or shattered, it can be replaced. | If your kid was at their house, he was acting as your child's supervisor. Any damage done to property as a result of your child acting like a child is completely his responsibility. In addition, if your child had damaged a third party's property he would be responsible for that too. Source NALBWJJ (not a lawyer but watch judge Judy). | 1 | 357 | 7.423841 |
6y7f5u | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | [FL] 4 year old son went on play date - $20k TV got broken but kids were unsupervised so don't know if it was my kid or his, owner wants me to pay half. Surely there's a limit on this kind of thing? My son went on a play date to some people we're friendly with through pre-k. While at their house, this guy's $20k TV got broken. There were no adults present so they don't know who broke it (his kid or mine). He says "lets's just split the difference". Putting aside the fact that this jackass had kids around a $20k TV in the first place, surely there's a limit on how much I would have to pay out? If this went to court, would he be responsible for the full amount as my kid was in his care? Could a judge say "a reasonable TV costs $1000 so give him $500?" If worst comes to worst, could I claim this on my home insurance? Finally, who lets kids unsupervised with a $20k TV? Dude's not even super loaded. If I found out he won the TV, would that give me wiggle room? | dmld5ze | dml5sor | 1,504,623,022 | 1,504,611,878 | 1,890 | 341 | That's a homeowner insurance claim he should be making- not shaking you down for money. Plus who knows how the tv was damaged- and if it's repairable no need to replace. Just like a car, house, child, wedding ring, etc... you don't have something that expensive that is not insured- unless you want to keep it off the books. I wouldn't pay, and because they left the children unsupervised he could be dancing with child endangerment charges on his end. When you abdicate your responsibility- do it in writing outlining your child endangerment concern, as the kids could've been hurt, and you don't appreciate the "shake down" of being asked to replace an overpriced $20k television that should be getting coordinated with his insurance. | By playdate do you mean you were in the home at the time? | 1 | 11,144 | 5.542522 |
6y7f5u | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | [FL] 4 year old son went on play date - $20k TV got broken but kids were unsupervised so don't know if it was my kid or his, owner wants me to pay half. Surely there's a limit on this kind of thing? My son went on a play date to some people we're friendly with through pre-k. While at their house, this guy's $20k TV got broken. There were no adults present so they don't know who broke it (his kid or mine). He says "lets's just split the difference". Putting aside the fact that this jackass had kids around a $20k TV in the first place, surely there's a limit on how much I would have to pay out? If this went to court, would he be responsible for the full amount as my kid was in his care? Could a judge say "a reasonable TV costs $1000 so give him $500?" If worst comes to worst, could I claim this on my home insurance? Finally, who lets kids unsupervised with a $20k TV? Dude's not even super loaded. If I found out he won the TV, would that give me wiggle room? | dml7srf | dmld5ze | 1,504,615,588 | 1,504,623,022 | 302 | 1,890 | If your kid was at their house, he was acting as your child's supervisor. Any damage done to property as a result of your child acting like a child is completely his responsibility. In addition, if your child had damaged a third party's property he would be responsible for that too. Source NALBWJJ (not a lawyer but watch judge Judy). | That's a homeowner insurance claim he should be making- not shaking you down for money. Plus who knows how the tv was damaged- and if it's repairable no need to replace. Just like a car, house, child, wedding ring, etc... you don't have something that expensive that is not insured- unless you want to keep it off the books. I wouldn't pay, and because they left the children unsupervised he could be dancing with child endangerment charges on his end. When you abdicate your responsibility- do it in writing outlining your child endangerment concern, as the kids could've been hurt, and you don't appreciate the "shake down" of being asked to replace an overpriced $20k television that should be getting coordinated with his insurance. | 0 | 7,434 | 6.258278 |
6y7f5u | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | [FL] 4 year old son went on play date - $20k TV got broken but kids were unsupervised so don't know if it was my kid or his, owner wants me to pay half. Surely there's a limit on this kind of thing? My son went on a play date to some people we're friendly with through pre-k. While at their house, this guy's $20k TV got broken. There were no adults present so they don't know who broke it (his kid or mine). He says "lets's just split the difference". Putting aside the fact that this jackass had kids around a $20k TV in the first place, surely there's a limit on how much I would have to pay out? If this went to court, would he be responsible for the full amount as my kid was in his care? Could a judge say "a reasonable TV costs $1000 so give him $500?" If worst comes to worst, could I claim this on my home insurance? Finally, who lets kids unsupervised with a $20k TV? Dude's not even super loaded. If I found out he won the TV, would that give me wiggle room? | dmlaz5r | dmld5ze | 1,504,620,271 | 1,504,623,022 | 190 | 1,890 | I wouldn't even entertain the idea of paying him anything without first having a receipt for $20,000 as well as photographic evidence of the alleged damage, first of all. As others have said, if you were responsible for anything (which, considering he can't even definitively say who broke it, his case is shaky at best), you'd need that first, and would most likely only be responsible for the depreciated value anyway, and TV's depreciate in value rather quickly. Secondly, for a purchase this large, surely he'd have insurance on it, and the insurance company would be the ones responsible for reimbursing him for any damages beyond his deductible, and they would try to recoup their losses from you. And in that case, again, their case is shaky at best. There's no proof and no witnesses per his own statement. Honestly, I don't think that he has a leg to stand on, and it also seems unlikely to me that he: 1) Paid full price for this television. 2) That two 4 year olds could so irreparably damage a television that it needed to be scrapped entirely. 3) That he doesn't have insurance on a $20,000 TV. The timing is suspicious here as well. Has your child spent any other time at this home with this guy and his family or was this the first time? Because it sounds like he's trying to take you for a ride.. | That's a homeowner insurance claim he should be making- not shaking you down for money. Plus who knows how the tv was damaged- and if it's repairable no need to replace. Just like a car, house, child, wedding ring, etc... you don't have something that expensive that is not insured- unless you want to keep it off the books. I wouldn't pay, and because they left the children unsupervised he could be dancing with child endangerment charges on his end. When you abdicate your responsibility- do it in writing outlining your child endangerment concern, as the kids could've been hurt, and you don't appreciate the "shake down" of being asked to replace an overpriced $20k television that should be getting coordinated with his insurance. | 0 | 2,751 | 9.947368 |
6y7f5u | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | [FL] 4 year old son went on play date - $20k TV got broken but kids were unsupervised so don't know if it was my kid or his, owner wants me to pay half. Surely there's a limit on this kind of thing? My son went on a play date to some people we're friendly with through pre-k. While at their house, this guy's $20k TV got broken. There were no adults present so they don't know who broke it (his kid or mine). He says "lets's just split the difference". Putting aside the fact that this jackass had kids around a $20k TV in the first place, surely there's a limit on how much I would have to pay out? If this went to court, would he be responsible for the full amount as my kid was in his care? Could a judge say "a reasonable TV costs $1000 so give him $500?" If worst comes to worst, could I claim this on my home insurance? Finally, who lets kids unsupervised with a $20k TV? Dude's not even super loaded. If I found out he won the TV, would that give me wiggle room? | dmldctw | dml5sor | 1,504,623,245 | 1,504,611,878 | 736 | 341 | I believe the legal term is "unbridled chutzpah." There are a number of reasons you should not pay a dime, most have been enumerated, but most importantly is the unbridled chutzpah of a man to tell you that your son could have DIED under his (lack of) supervision, but because he lost a TV, he has the audacity to ask YOU to pay money?! You are lucky your child is alive, screw him. He owes you an apology for even bringing up such an inhuman request. Legally, he doesn't have a chance in heck, because if he sues, he will have the burden of proving (by preponderance of evidence most likely) that your son's negligence caused the damage. He also has to prove what the damages are. But stop and think for a minute that this jack@ss would be suing your son, and only because you are the deeper pockets, he's suing you. What cause if action does he have against you? Were YOU negligent? Probably not, unless he can prove you knew your son had a high propensity to break things, higher than the average 4-year old, and failed to warn or take precautions. And there's the issue of mitigation and you never had the opportunity to purchase insurance, only HE had that opportunity. I think this suit would lose at the motions stage, but if this hero made it to a jury or judge, human beings are not going to reward this guy for failing to watch the kids that broke his isht. It's not "equitable." | By playdate do you mean you were in the home at the time? | 1 | 11,367 | 2.158358 |
6y7f5u | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | [FL] 4 year old son went on play date - $20k TV got broken but kids were unsupervised so don't know if it was my kid or his, owner wants me to pay half. Surely there's a limit on this kind of thing? My son went on a play date to some people we're friendly with through pre-k. While at their house, this guy's $20k TV got broken. There were no adults present so they don't know who broke it (his kid or mine). He says "lets's just split the difference". Putting aside the fact that this jackass had kids around a $20k TV in the first place, surely there's a limit on how much I would have to pay out? If this went to court, would he be responsible for the full amount as my kid was in his care? Could a judge say "a reasonable TV costs $1000 so give him $500?" If worst comes to worst, could I claim this on my home insurance? Finally, who lets kids unsupervised with a $20k TV? Dude's not even super loaded. If I found out he won the TV, would that give me wiggle room? | dml7srf | dmldctw | 1,504,615,588 | 1,504,623,245 | 302 | 736 | If your kid was at their house, he was acting as your child's supervisor. Any damage done to property as a result of your child acting like a child is completely his responsibility. In addition, if your child had damaged a third party's property he would be responsible for that too. Source NALBWJJ (not a lawyer but watch judge Judy). | I believe the legal term is "unbridled chutzpah." There are a number of reasons you should not pay a dime, most have been enumerated, but most importantly is the unbridled chutzpah of a man to tell you that your son could have DIED under his (lack of) supervision, but because he lost a TV, he has the audacity to ask YOU to pay money?! You are lucky your child is alive, screw him. He owes you an apology for even bringing up such an inhuman request. Legally, he doesn't have a chance in heck, because if he sues, he will have the burden of proving (by preponderance of evidence most likely) that your son's negligence caused the damage. He also has to prove what the damages are. But stop and think for a minute that this jack@ss would be suing your son, and only because you are the deeper pockets, he's suing you. What cause if action does he have against you? Were YOU negligent? Probably not, unless he can prove you knew your son had a high propensity to break things, higher than the average 4-year old, and failed to warn or take precautions. And there's the issue of mitigation and you never had the opportunity to purchase insurance, only HE had that opportunity. I think this suit would lose at the motions stage, but if this hero made it to a jury or judge, human beings are not going to reward this guy for failing to watch the kids that broke his isht. It's not "equitable." | 0 | 7,657 | 2.437086 |
6y7f5u | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | [FL] 4 year old son went on play date - $20k TV got broken but kids were unsupervised so don't know if it was my kid or his, owner wants me to pay half. Surely there's a limit on this kind of thing? My son went on a play date to some people we're friendly with through pre-k. While at their house, this guy's $20k TV got broken. There were no adults present so they don't know who broke it (his kid or mine). He says "lets's just split the difference". Putting aside the fact that this jackass had kids around a $20k TV in the first place, surely there's a limit on how much I would have to pay out? If this went to court, would he be responsible for the full amount as my kid was in his care? Could a judge say "a reasonable TV costs $1000 so give him $500?" If worst comes to worst, could I claim this on my home insurance? Finally, who lets kids unsupervised with a $20k TV? Dude's not even super loaded. If I found out he won the TV, would that give me wiggle room? | dmldctw | dmlaz5r | 1,504,623,245 | 1,504,620,271 | 736 | 190 | I believe the legal term is "unbridled chutzpah." There are a number of reasons you should not pay a dime, most have been enumerated, but most importantly is the unbridled chutzpah of a man to tell you that your son could have DIED under his (lack of) supervision, but because he lost a TV, he has the audacity to ask YOU to pay money?! You are lucky your child is alive, screw him. He owes you an apology for even bringing up such an inhuman request. Legally, he doesn't have a chance in heck, because if he sues, he will have the burden of proving (by preponderance of evidence most likely) that your son's negligence caused the damage. He also has to prove what the damages are. But stop and think for a minute that this jack@ss would be suing your son, and only because you are the deeper pockets, he's suing you. What cause if action does he have against you? Were YOU negligent? Probably not, unless he can prove you knew your son had a high propensity to break things, higher than the average 4-year old, and failed to warn or take precautions. And there's the issue of mitigation and you never had the opportunity to purchase insurance, only HE had that opportunity. I think this suit would lose at the motions stage, but if this hero made it to a jury or judge, human beings are not going to reward this guy for failing to watch the kids that broke his isht. It's not "equitable." | I wouldn't even entertain the idea of paying him anything without first having a receipt for $20,000 as well as photographic evidence of the alleged damage, first of all. As others have said, if you were responsible for anything (which, considering he can't even definitively say who broke it, his case is shaky at best), you'd need that first, and would most likely only be responsible for the depreciated value anyway, and TV's depreciate in value rather quickly. Secondly, for a purchase this large, surely he'd have insurance on it, and the insurance company would be the ones responsible for reimbursing him for any damages beyond his deductible, and they would try to recoup their losses from you. And in that case, again, their case is shaky at best. There's no proof and no witnesses per his own statement. Honestly, I don't think that he has a leg to stand on, and it also seems unlikely to me that he: 1) Paid full price for this television. 2) That two 4 year olds could so irreparably damage a television that it needed to be scrapped entirely. 3) That he doesn't have insurance on a $20,000 TV. The timing is suspicious here as well. Has your child spent any other time at this home with this guy and his family or was this the first time? Because it sounds like he's trying to take you for a ride.. | 1 | 2,974 | 3.873684 |
6y7f5u | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | [FL] 4 year old son went on play date - $20k TV got broken but kids were unsupervised so don't know if it was my kid or his, owner wants me to pay half. Surely there's a limit on this kind of thing? My son went on a play date to some people we're friendly with through pre-k. While at their house, this guy's $20k TV got broken. There were no adults present so they don't know who broke it (his kid or mine). He says "lets's just split the difference". Putting aside the fact that this jackass had kids around a $20k TV in the first place, surely there's a limit on how much I would have to pay out? If this went to court, would he be responsible for the full amount as my kid was in his care? Could a judge say "a reasonable TV costs $1000 so give him $500?" If worst comes to worst, could I claim this on my home insurance? Finally, who lets kids unsupervised with a $20k TV? Dude's not even super loaded. If I found out he won the TV, would that give me wiggle room? | dmlf2gu | dml7srf | 1,504,625,240 | 1,504,615,588 | 308 | 302 | Hey, friend. I'm a practicing attorney in Georgia and I went to law school down there in Florida. Don't worry, man. You aren't on the hook for anything. If that owner were to try to sue you for the damages, he would lose. If he can't prove causation, there's fuck all he can do to recover against you. Tell him to go suck a dick. | If your kid was at their house, he was acting as your child's supervisor. Any damage done to property as a result of your child acting like a child is completely his responsibility. In addition, if your child had damaged a third party's property he would be responsible for that too. Source NALBWJJ (not a lawyer but watch judge Judy). | 1 | 9,652 | 1.019868 |
6y7f5u | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | [FL] 4 year old son went on play date - $20k TV got broken but kids were unsupervised so don't know if it was my kid or his, owner wants me to pay half. Surely there's a limit on this kind of thing? My son went on a play date to some people we're friendly with through pre-k. While at their house, this guy's $20k TV got broken. There were no adults present so they don't know who broke it (his kid or mine). He says "lets's just split the difference". Putting aside the fact that this jackass had kids around a $20k TV in the first place, surely there's a limit on how much I would have to pay out? If this went to court, would he be responsible for the full amount as my kid was in his care? Could a judge say "a reasonable TV costs $1000 so give him $500?" If worst comes to worst, could I claim this on my home insurance? Finally, who lets kids unsupervised with a $20k TV? Dude's not even super loaded. If I found out he won the TV, would that give me wiggle room? | dmlf2gu | dmldyyx | 1,504,625,240 | 1,504,623,979 | 308 | 271 | Hey, friend. I'm a practicing attorney in Georgia and I went to law school down there in Florida. Don't worry, man. You aren't on the hook for anything. If that owner were to try to sue you for the damages, he would lose. If he can't prove causation, there's fuck all he can do to recover against you. Tell him to go suck a dick. | This is nonsense. Even if he could prove that your child damaged, the TV, which he admits he cannot prove, you are not responsible for the torts of your child unless he can prove that your son willfully or maliciously destroyed the TV. I am not even sure that a 4 year old is capable of meeting that legal standard. Ignore this person and do not entertain this further unless and until a lawsuit is filed against you. If that happens, hire a lawyer to respond for you. | 1 | 1,261 | 1.136531 |
6y7f5u | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | [FL] 4 year old son went on play date - $20k TV got broken but kids were unsupervised so don't know if it was my kid or his, owner wants me to pay half. Surely there's a limit on this kind of thing? My son went on a play date to some people we're friendly with through pre-k. While at their house, this guy's $20k TV got broken. There were no adults present so they don't know who broke it (his kid or mine). He says "lets's just split the difference". Putting aside the fact that this jackass had kids around a $20k TV in the first place, surely there's a limit on how much I would have to pay out? If this went to court, would he be responsible for the full amount as my kid was in his care? Could a judge say "a reasonable TV costs $1000 so give him $500?" If worst comes to worst, could I claim this on my home insurance? Finally, who lets kids unsupervised with a $20k TV? Dude's not even super loaded. If I found out he won the TV, would that give me wiggle room? | dmlaz5r | dmlf2gu | 1,504,620,271 | 1,504,625,240 | 190 | 308 | I wouldn't even entertain the idea of paying him anything without first having a receipt for $20,000 as well as photographic evidence of the alleged damage, first of all. As others have said, if you were responsible for anything (which, considering he can't even definitively say who broke it, his case is shaky at best), you'd need that first, and would most likely only be responsible for the depreciated value anyway, and TV's depreciate in value rather quickly. Secondly, for a purchase this large, surely he'd have insurance on it, and the insurance company would be the ones responsible for reimbursing him for any damages beyond his deductible, and they would try to recoup their losses from you. And in that case, again, their case is shaky at best. There's no proof and no witnesses per his own statement. Honestly, I don't think that he has a leg to stand on, and it also seems unlikely to me that he: 1) Paid full price for this television. 2) That two 4 year olds could so irreparably damage a television that it needed to be scrapped entirely. 3) That he doesn't have insurance on a $20,000 TV. The timing is suspicious here as well. Has your child spent any other time at this home with this guy and his family or was this the first time? Because it sounds like he's trying to take you for a ride.. | Hey, friend. I'm a practicing attorney in Georgia and I went to law school down there in Florida. Don't worry, man. You aren't on the hook for anything. If that owner were to try to sue you for the damages, he would lose. If he can't prove causation, there's fuck all he can do to recover against you. Tell him to go suck a dick. | 0 | 4,969 | 1.621053 |
6y7f5u | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | [FL] 4 year old son went on play date - $20k TV got broken but kids were unsupervised so don't know if it was my kid or his, owner wants me to pay half. Surely there's a limit on this kind of thing? My son went on a play date to some people we're friendly with through pre-k. While at their house, this guy's $20k TV got broken. There were no adults present so they don't know who broke it (his kid or mine). He says "lets's just split the difference". Putting aside the fact that this jackass had kids around a $20k TV in the first place, surely there's a limit on how much I would have to pay out? If this went to court, would he be responsible for the full amount as my kid was in his care? Could a judge say "a reasonable TV costs $1000 so give him $500?" If worst comes to worst, could I claim this on my home insurance? Finally, who lets kids unsupervised with a $20k TV? Dude's not even super loaded. If I found out he won the TV, would that give me wiggle room? | dmlf2gu | dmletvj | 1,504,625,240 | 1,504,624,972 | 308 | 143 | Hey, friend. I'm a practicing attorney in Georgia and I went to law school down there in Florida. Don't worry, man. You aren't on the hook for anything. If that owner were to try to sue you for the damages, he would lose. If he can't prove causation, there's fuck all he can do to recover against you. Tell him to go suck a dick. | > surely there's a limit on how much I would have to pay out? There's no monetary limit to actual damages for civil negligence. You could be just barely negligent and liable for millions of dollars. >Could a judge say "a reasonable TV costs $1000 so give him $500?" No. People are allowed to have unreasonably expensive televisions. >Dude's not even super loaded. If I found out he won the TV, would that give me wiggle room? No. >If this went to court, would he be responsible for the full amount as my kid was in his care? Yes. Your son is almost certainly too young to be personally liable, Florida's parental responsibility statutes impose parental liability only for negligent driving and intentional damage to property, and you cannot be liable on a theory of negligent supervision because, at the time, he was the one responsible for supervising your son. | 1 | 268 | 2.153846 |
6y7f5u | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | [FL] 4 year old son went on play date - $20k TV got broken but kids were unsupervised so don't know if it was my kid or his, owner wants me to pay half. Surely there's a limit on this kind of thing? My son went on a play date to some people we're friendly with through pre-k. While at their house, this guy's $20k TV got broken. There were no adults present so they don't know who broke it (his kid or mine). He says "lets's just split the difference". Putting aside the fact that this jackass had kids around a $20k TV in the first place, surely there's a limit on how much I would have to pay out? If this went to court, would he be responsible for the full amount as my kid was in his care? Could a judge say "a reasonable TV costs $1000 so give him $500?" If worst comes to worst, could I claim this on my home insurance? Finally, who lets kids unsupervised with a $20k TV? Dude's not even super loaded. If I found out he won the TV, would that give me wiggle room? | dmlf2gu | dmldxqd | 1,504,625,240 | 1,504,623,938 | 308 | 58 | Hey, friend. I'm a practicing attorney in Georgia and I went to law school down there in Florida. Don't worry, man. You aren't on the hook for anything. If that owner were to try to sue you for the damages, he would lose. If he can't prove causation, there's fuck all he can do to recover against you. Tell him to go suck a dick. | > If worst comes to worst, could I claim this on my home insurance? Maybe, but *he* should be claiming this on *HIS* policy. Chances are his deductible is $1k. If you are friends, I would offer to pay $500 of that. | 1 | 1,302 | 5.310345 |
6y7f5u | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | [FL] 4 year old son went on play date - $20k TV got broken but kids were unsupervised so don't know if it was my kid or his, owner wants me to pay half. Surely there's a limit on this kind of thing? My son went on a play date to some people we're friendly with through pre-k. While at their house, this guy's $20k TV got broken. There were no adults present so they don't know who broke it (his kid or mine). He says "lets's just split the difference". Putting aside the fact that this jackass had kids around a $20k TV in the first place, surely there's a limit on how much I would have to pay out? If this went to court, would he be responsible for the full amount as my kid was in his care? Could a judge say "a reasonable TV costs $1000 so give him $500?" If worst comes to worst, could I claim this on my home insurance? Finally, who lets kids unsupervised with a $20k TV? Dude's not even super loaded. If I found out he won the TV, would that give me wiggle room? | dmlf2gu | dmle1gb | 1,504,625,240 | 1,504,624,063 | 308 | 58 | Hey, friend. I'm a practicing attorney in Georgia and I went to law school down there in Florida. Don't worry, man. You aren't on the hook for anything. If that owner were to try to sue you for the damages, he would lose. If he can't prove causation, there's fuck all he can do to recover against you. Tell him to go suck a dick. | what did your kid say happened? | 1 | 1,177 | 5.310345 |
6y7f5u | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | [FL] 4 year old son went on play date - $20k TV got broken but kids were unsupervised so don't know if it was my kid or his, owner wants me to pay half. Surely there's a limit on this kind of thing? My son went on a play date to some people we're friendly with through pre-k. While at their house, this guy's $20k TV got broken. There were no adults present so they don't know who broke it (his kid or mine). He says "lets's just split the difference". Putting aside the fact that this jackass had kids around a $20k TV in the first place, surely there's a limit on how much I would have to pay out? If this went to court, would he be responsible for the full amount as my kid was in his care? Could a judge say "a reasonable TV costs $1000 so give him $500?" If worst comes to worst, could I claim this on my home insurance? Finally, who lets kids unsupervised with a $20k TV? Dude's not even super loaded. If I found out he won the TV, would that give me wiggle room? | dmlaz5r | dmldyyx | 1,504,620,271 | 1,504,623,979 | 190 | 271 | I wouldn't even entertain the idea of paying him anything without first having a receipt for $20,000 as well as photographic evidence of the alleged damage, first of all. As others have said, if you were responsible for anything (which, considering he can't even definitively say who broke it, his case is shaky at best), you'd need that first, and would most likely only be responsible for the depreciated value anyway, and TV's depreciate in value rather quickly. Secondly, for a purchase this large, surely he'd have insurance on it, and the insurance company would be the ones responsible for reimbursing him for any damages beyond his deductible, and they would try to recoup their losses from you. And in that case, again, their case is shaky at best. There's no proof and no witnesses per his own statement. Honestly, I don't think that he has a leg to stand on, and it also seems unlikely to me that he: 1) Paid full price for this television. 2) That two 4 year olds could so irreparably damage a television that it needed to be scrapped entirely. 3) That he doesn't have insurance on a $20,000 TV. The timing is suspicious here as well. Has your child spent any other time at this home with this guy and his family or was this the first time? Because it sounds like he's trying to take you for a ride.. | This is nonsense. Even if he could prove that your child damaged, the TV, which he admits he cannot prove, you are not responsible for the torts of your child unless he can prove that your son willfully or maliciously destroyed the TV. I am not even sure that a 4 year old is capable of meeting that legal standard. Ignore this person and do not entertain this further unless and until a lawsuit is filed against you. If that happens, hire a lawyer to respond for you. | 0 | 3,708 | 1.426316 |
6y7f5u | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | [FL] 4 year old son went on play date - $20k TV got broken but kids were unsupervised so don't know if it was my kid or his, owner wants me to pay half. Surely there's a limit on this kind of thing? My son went on a play date to some people we're friendly with through pre-k. While at their house, this guy's $20k TV got broken. There were no adults present so they don't know who broke it (his kid or mine). He says "lets's just split the difference". Putting aside the fact that this jackass had kids around a $20k TV in the first place, surely there's a limit on how much I would have to pay out? If this went to court, would he be responsible for the full amount as my kid was in his care? Could a judge say "a reasonable TV costs $1000 so give him $500?" If worst comes to worst, could I claim this on my home insurance? Finally, who lets kids unsupervised with a $20k TV? Dude's not even super loaded. If I found out he won the TV, would that give me wiggle room? | dmldyyx | dmldxqd | 1,504,623,979 | 1,504,623,938 | 271 | 58 | This is nonsense. Even if he could prove that your child damaged, the TV, which he admits he cannot prove, you are not responsible for the torts of your child unless he can prove that your son willfully or maliciously destroyed the TV. I am not even sure that a 4 year old is capable of meeting that legal standard. Ignore this person and do not entertain this further unless and until a lawsuit is filed against you. If that happens, hire a lawyer to respond for you. | > If worst comes to worst, could I claim this on my home insurance? Maybe, but *he* should be claiming this on *HIS* policy. Chances are his deductible is $1k. If you are friends, I would offer to pay $500 of that. | 1 | 41 | 4.672414 |
6y7f5u | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | [FL] 4 year old son went on play date - $20k TV got broken but kids were unsupervised so don't know if it was my kid or his, owner wants me to pay half. Surely there's a limit on this kind of thing? My son went on a play date to some people we're friendly with through pre-k. While at their house, this guy's $20k TV got broken. There were no adults present so they don't know who broke it (his kid or mine). He says "lets's just split the difference". Putting aside the fact that this jackass had kids around a $20k TV in the first place, surely there's a limit on how much I would have to pay out? If this went to court, would he be responsible for the full amount as my kid was in his care? Could a judge say "a reasonable TV costs $1000 so give him $500?" If worst comes to worst, could I claim this on my home insurance? Finally, who lets kids unsupervised with a $20k TV? Dude's not even super loaded. If I found out he won the TV, would that give me wiggle room? | dmletvj | dmldxqd | 1,504,624,972 | 1,504,623,938 | 143 | 58 | > surely there's a limit on how much I would have to pay out? There's no monetary limit to actual damages for civil negligence. You could be just barely negligent and liable for millions of dollars. >Could a judge say "a reasonable TV costs $1000 so give him $500?" No. People are allowed to have unreasonably expensive televisions. >Dude's not even super loaded. If I found out he won the TV, would that give me wiggle room? No. >If this went to court, would he be responsible for the full amount as my kid was in his care? Yes. Your son is almost certainly too young to be personally liable, Florida's parental responsibility statutes impose parental liability only for negligent driving and intentional damage to property, and you cannot be liable on a theory of negligent supervision because, at the time, he was the one responsible for supervising your son. | > If worst comes to worst, could I claim this on my home insurance? Maybe, but *he* should be claiming this on *HIS* policy. Chances are his deductible is $1k. If you are friends, I would offer to pay $500 of that. | 1 | 1,034 | 2.465517 |
6y7f5u | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | [FL] 4 year old son went on play date - $20k TV got broken but kids were unsupervised so don't know if it was my kid or his, owner wants me to pay half. Surely there's a limit on this kind of thing? My son went on a play date to some people we're friendly with through pre-k. While at their house, this guy's $20k TV got broken. There were no adults present so they don't know who broke it (his kid or mine). He says "lets's just split the difference". Putting aside the fact that this jackass had kids around a $20k TV in the first place, surely there's a limit on how much I would have to pay out? If this went to court, would he be responsible for the full amount as my kid was in his care? Could a judge say "a reasonable TV costs $1000 so give him $500?" If worst comes to worst, could I claim this on my home insurance? Finally, who lets kids unsupervised with a $20k TV? Dude's not even super loaded. If I found out he won the TV, would that give me wiggle room? | dmle1gb | dmletvj | 1,504,624,063 | 1,504,624,972 | 58 | 143 | what did your kid say happened? | > surely there's a limit on how much I would have to pay out? There's no monetary limit to actual damages for civil negligence. You could be just barely negligent and liable for millions of dollars. >Could a judge say "a reasonable TV costs $1000 so give him $500?" No. People are allowed to have unreasonably expensive televisions. >Dude's not even super loaded. If I found out he won the TV, would that give me wiggle room? No. >If this went to court, would he be responsible for the full amount as my kid was in his care? Yes. Your son is almost certainly too young to be personally liable, Florida's parental responsibility statutes impose parental liability only for negligent driving and intentional damage to property, and you cannot be liable on a theory of negligent supervision because, at the time, he was the one responsible for supervising your son. | 0 | 909 | 2.465517 |
71hh8o | legaladvice_train | 0.91 | New York - Acquaintance's Facebook left open. I wanted to mess with him and when I saw the chat, I saw a weird convo he was having with an 11 year old who's mother he was dating. He's mid/late 30s with a daughter the same age as the one he was chatting with. I'm not sure what I can do since I wasn't given permission to be on the facebook/look at the convos. I copied it all down in Word and it saved profile photos/names/dates, ect. Am I open to any kind of repercussion for having this if I turn it in? Some chat convos in question M=Him F=Her M:Get off the computer!!!!! F:noooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and be quiet what??? write this on here so i know M:U could keep me quiet.... F:how??? M: I can't tell u F:please tell me pleeeeeeeeease or i will tell on u M: Great. Figures F:tell me then pleeeeeaaaasssse i wont tell no matter what but please tell me M:Ha...uhmm...i forgot F:suuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrre tellllllllllllllllllllll meeeeeeeeeeeee M:Cant. Id get in trouble and goto jail. Not happenin F:pleeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaase u act like im gonna tell somebody M: Possibly. Ur 11. F: i wont i promise soo pleeeaaassseee tel me M:Not to mention...u never know who else could be reading this F:noone im keeping an eye out so tellll me now telllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee nowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww tell me here not in person M:Tell u when u turn 17 F:Please tell me why it is and does it have to do with sec stuff I mean sex M:Sex stuff? F:what i mean is what u wouldnt tell me till im seventeen does it have to do with that im just really curious M:Yup. So I'll have to see u in 6 yrs. If I'm still around here. F:please just tell me no one gets on my facebook and i wont tell anybody i promise M:When you get older you'll understand why I won't. Jail time is not worth it. F:please tell me i promise i wont tell anybody and no one knows my password and u wont go to jail i will earase them so no one will see them M:You dont understand the gravity of the situation. I simply can not take the chance. Im sorry. What are you guys doin tonight? So, pretty weird right? Like I said, I didn't have permission to be on his account or anything, it was left open, but those are some odd convos for a guy in his 30's to have with an 11 year old. Not sure if they're actually illegal or just nothing. | dnatved | dnatei9 | 1,505,983,085 | 1,505,981,731 | 216 | 32 | You could at least send this to the kid's mom so she knows what kind of men she's bringing around her daughter. Scary! | So, to address your actual questions: > Am I open to any kind of repercussion for having this if I turn it in? If you simply looked at his computer, then I don't see any crime here. (If you had guessed his password that violate computer access laws.) And reporting suspicions to the police is not a crime. But of COURSE there are reprucussions... non-legal ones. Your friends might decide you are a snoop and stop associating with you, or they might decide you were a hero for intervening. >So, pretty weird right? Yeah, that's weird. Not actually illegal, but certainly concerning. | 1 | 1,354 | 6.75 |
71hh8o | legaladvice_train | 0.91 | New York - Acquaintance's Facebook left open. I wanted to mess with him and when I saw the chat, I saw a weird convo he was having with an 11 year old who's mother he was dating. He's mid/late 30s with a daughter the same age as the one he was chatting with. I'm not sure what I can do since I wasn't given permission to be on the facebook/look at the convos. I copied it all down in Word and it saved profile photos/names/dates, ect. Am I open to any kind of repercussion for having this if I turn it in? Some chat convos in question M=Him F=Her M:Get off the computer!!!!! F:noooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and be quiet what??? write this on here so i know M:U could keep me quiet.... F:how??? M: I can't tell u F:please tell me pleeeeeeeeease or i will tell on u M: Great. Figures F:tell me then pleeeeeaaaasssse i wont tell no matter what but please tell me M:Ha...uhmm...i forgot F:suuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrre tellllllllllllllllllllll meeeeeeeeeeeee M:Cant. Id get in trouble and goto jail. Not happenin F:pleeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaase u act like im gonna tell somebody M: Possibly. Ur 11. F: i wont i promise soo pleeeaaassseee tel me M:Not to mention...u never know who else could be reading this F:noone im keeping an eye out so tellll me now telllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee nowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww tell me here not in person M:Tell u when u turn 17 F:Please tell me why it is and does it have to do with sec stuff I mean sex M:Sex stuff? F:what i mean is what u wouldnt tell me till im seventeen does it have to do with that im just really curious M:Yup. So I'll have to see u in 6 yrs. If I'm still around here. F:please just tell me no one gets on my facebook and i wont tell anybody i promise M:When you get older you'll understand why I won't. Jail time is not worth it. F:please tell me i promise i wont tell anybody and no one knows my password and u wont go to jail i will earase them so no one will see them M:You dont understand the gravity of the situation. I simply can not take the chance. Im sorry. What are you guys doin tonight? So, pretty weird right? Like I said, I didn't have permission to be on his account or anything, it was left open, but those are some odd convos for a guy in his 30's to have with an 11 year old. Not sure if they're actually illegal or just nothing. | dnb3uuq | dnatei9 | 1,506,002,739 | 1,505,981,731 | 110 | 32 | That is extremely weird and I think you should report it to the mother for two reasons: 1.) He is goading her on. He likes the attention from an 11-year-old. It will not stay at the level of chat on FB. 2.) The mom needs to better monitor her child's internet access and be aware that she is susceptible to this. Children like attention, and they don't understand how wrong this is all the time. Kids like to please adults. Kids also like to feel grown-up. Tell the mom that her boyfriend is talking about sex with her child. I personally would report this to the police. It is only going to go further. | So, to address your actual questions: > Am I open to any kind of repercussion for having this if I turn it in? If you simply looked at his computer, then I don't see any crime here. (If you had guessed his password that violate computer access laws.) And reporting suspicions to the police is not a crime. But of COURSE there are reprucussions... non-legal ones. Your friends might decide you are a snoop and stop associating with you, or they might decide you were a hero for intervening. >So, pretty weird right? Yeah, that's weird. Not actually illegal, but certainly concerning. | 1 | 21,008 | 3.4375 |
71hh8o | legaladvice_train | 0.91 | New York - Acquaintance's Facebook left open. I wanted to mess with him and when I saw the chat, I saw a weird convo he was having with an 11 year old who's mother he was dating. He's mid/late 30s with a daughter the same age as the one he was chatting with. I'm not sure what I can do since I wasn't given permission to be on the facebook/look at the convos. I copied it all down in Word and it saved profile photos/names/dates, ect. Am I open to any kind of repercussion for having this if I turn it in? Some chat convos in question M=Him F=Her M:Get off the computer!!!!! F:noooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and be quiet what??? write this on here so i know M:U could keep me quiet.... F:how??? M: I can't tell u F:please tell me pleeeeeeeeease or i will tell on u M: Great. Figures F:tell me then pleeeeeaaaasssse i wont tell no matter what but please tell me M:Ha...uhmm...i forgot F:suuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrre tellllllllllllllllllllll meeeeeeeeeeeee M:Cant. Id get in trouble and goto jail. Not happenin F:pleeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaase u act like im gonna tell somebody M: Possibly. Ur 11. F: i wont i promise soo pleeeaaassseee tel me M:Not to mention...u never know who else could be reading this F:noone im keeping an eye out so tellll me now telllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee nowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww tell me here not in person M:Tell u when u turn 17 F:Please tell me why it is and does it have to do with sec stuff I mean sex M:Sex stuff? F:what i mean is what u wouldnt tell me till im seventeen does it have to do with that im just really curious M:Yup. So I'll have to see u in 6 yrs. If I'm still around here. F:please just tell me no one gets on my facebook and i wont tell anybody i promise M:When you get older you'll understand why I won't. Jail time is not worth it. F:please tell me i promise i wont tell anybody and no one knows my password and u wont go to jail i will earase them so no one will see them M:You dont understand the gravity of the situation. I simply can not take the chance. Im sorry. What are you guys doin tonight? So, pretty weird right? Like I said, I didn't have permission to be on his account or anything, it was left open, but those are some odd convos for a guy in his 30's to have with an 11 year old. Not sure if they're actually illegal or just nothing. | dnatei9 | dnb57lf | 1,505,981,731 | 1,506,004,277 | 32 | 47 | So, to address your actual questions: > Am I open to any kind of repercussion for having this if I turn it in? If you simply looked at his computer, then I don't see any crime here. (If you had guessed his password that violate computer access laws.) And reporting suspicions to the police is not a crime. But of COURSE there are reprucussions... non-legal ones. Your friends might decide you are a snoop and stop associating with you, or they might decide you were a hero for intervening. >So, pretty weird right? Yeah, that's weird. Not actually illegal, but certainly concerning. | Honestly, reading that conversation it seems like something might have already happened. You just don't know. More importantly, you don't have to know for sure that something illegal has happened in order to report. If you report it to the police, they can figure out what to do. | 0 | 22,546 | 1.46875 |
71hh8o | legaladvice_train | 0.91 | New York - Acquaintance's Facebook left open. I wanted to mess with him and when I saw the chat, I saw a weird convo he was having with an 11 year old who's mother he was dating. He's mid/late 30s with a daughter the same age as the one he was chatting with. I'm not sure what I can do since I wasn't given permission to be on the facebook/look at the convos. I copied it all down in Word and it saved profile photos/names/dates, ect. Am I open to any kind of repercussion for having this if I turn it in? Some chat convos in question M=Him F=Her M:Get off the computer!!!!! F:noooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and be quiet what??? write this on here so i know M:U could keep me quiet.... F:how??? M: I can't tell u F:please tell me pleeeeeeeeease or i will tell on u M: Great. Figures F:tell me then pleeeeeaaaasssse i wont tell no matter what but please tell me M:Ha...uhmm...i forgot F:suuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrre tellllllllllllllllllllll meeeeeeeeeeeee M:Cant. Id get in trouble and goto jail. Not happenin F:pleeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaase u act like im gonna tell somebody M: Possibly. Ur 11. F: i wont i promise soo pleeeaaassseee tel me M:Not to mention...u never know who else could be reading this F:noone im keeping an eye out so tellll me now telllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee nowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww tell me here not in person M:Tell u when u turn 17 F:Please tell me why it is and does it have to do with sec stuff I mean sex M:Sex stuff? F:what i mean is what u wouldnt tell me till im seventeen does it have to do with that im just really curious M:Yup. So I'll have to see u in 6 yrs. If I'm still around here. F:please just tell me no one gets on my facebook and i wont tell anybody i promise M:When you get older you'll understand why I won't. Jail time is not worth it. F:please tell me i promise i wont tell anybody and no one knows my password and u wont go to jail i will earase them so no one will see them M:You dont understand the gravity of the situation. I simply can not take the chance. Im sorry. What are you guys doin tonight? So, pretty weird right? Like I said, I didn't have permission to be on his account or anything, it was left open, but those are some odd convos for a guy in his 30's to have with an 11 year old. Not sure if they're actually illegal or just nothing. | dnbdp6l | dnatei9 | 1,506,013,165 | 1,505,981,731 | 38 | 32 | This made me sick to my stomach, good instincts Op, go to the police "M:U could keep me quiet.... F:how??? M: I can't tell u" This is disgusting, how she could "keep him quiet" would in HIS words get him in trouble and he'd go to jail, HE says it's sex stuff Op, this is more than weird, he's a pedophile grooming his girlfriends daughter, 11 year old daughter Go to the police, the way he's talking it sounds like he's maybe done something like this before She's only 11 | So, to address your actual questions: > Am I open to any kind of repercussion for having this if I turn it in? If you simply looked at his computer, then I don't see any crime here. (If you had guessed his password that violate computer access laws.) And reporting suspicions to the police is not a crime. But of COURSE there are reprucussions... non-legal ones. Your friends might decide you are a snoop and stop associating with you, or they might decide you were a hero for intervening. >So, pretty weird right? Yeah, that's weird. Not actually illegal, but certainly concerning. | 1 | 31,434 | 1.1875 |
71hh8o | legaladvice_train | 0.91 | New York - Acquaintance's Facebook left open. I wanted to mess with him and when I saw the chat, I saw a weird convo he was having with an 11 year old who's mother he was dating. He's mid/late 30s with a daughter the same age as the one he was chatting with. I'm not sure what I can do since I wasn't given permission to be on the facebook/look at the convos. I copied it all down in Word and it saved profile photos/names/dates, ect. Am I open to any kind of repercussion for having this if I turn it in? Some chat convos in question M=Him F=Her M:Get off the computer!!!!! F:noooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and be quiet what??? write this on here so i know M:U could keep me quiet.... F:how??? M: I can't tell u F:please tell me pleeeeeeeeease or i will tell on u M: Great. Figures F:tell me then pleeeeeaaaasssse i wont tell no matter what but please tell me M:Ha...uhmm...i forgot F:suuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrre tellllllllllllllllllllll meeeeeeeeeeeee M:Cant. Id get in trouble and goto jail. Not happenin F:pleeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaase u act like im gonna tell somebody M: Possibly. Ur 11. F: i wont i promise soo pleeeaaassseee tel me M:Not to mention...u never know who else could be reading this F:noone im keeping an eye out so tellll me now telllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee nowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww tell me here not in person M:Tell u when u turn 17 F:Please tell me why it is and does it have to do with sec stuff I mean sex M:Sex stuff? F:what i mean is what u wouldnt tell me till im seventeen does it have to do with that im just really curious M:Yup. So I'll have to see u in 6 yrs. If I'm still around here. F:please just tell me no one gets on my facebook and i wont tell anybody i promise M:When you get older you'll understand why I won't. Jail time is not worth it. F:please tell me i promise i wont tell anybody and no one knows my password and u wont go to jail i will earase them so no one will see them M:You dont understand the gravity of the situation. I simply can not take the chance. Im sorry. What are you guys doin tonight? So, pretty weird right? Like I said, I didn't have permission to be on his account or anything, it was left open, but those are some odd convos for a guy in his 30's to have with an 11 year old. Not sure if they're actually illegal or just nothing. | dnbdp6l | dnba189 | 1,506,013,165 | 1,506,009,374 | 38 | 24 | This made me sick to my stomach, good instincts Op, go to the police "M:U could keep me quiet.... F:how??? M: I can't tell u" This is disgusting, how she could "keep him quiet" would in HIS words get him in trouble and he'd go to jail, HE says it's sex stuff Op, this is more than weird, he's a pedophile grooming his girlfriends daughter, 11 year old daughter Go to the police, the way he's talking it sounds like he's maybe done something like this before She's only 11 | You're asking if it's illegal. I suggest you call your local police department & let them know. You saw someone's open Facebook page. You didn't hack his Facebook. I wouldn't trust contacting the mother. While parents are supposed to protect their child & kick their disgusting significant other who grooms minors out, unfortunately not all of them do. | 1 | 3,791 | 1.583333 |
71hh8o | legaladvice_train | 0.91 | New York - Acquaintance's Facebook left open. I wanted to mess with him and when I saw the chat, I saw a weird convo he was having with an 11 year old who's mother he was dating. He's mid/late 30s with a daughter the same age as the one he was chatting with. I'm not sure what I can do since I wasn't given permission to be on the facebook/look at the convos. I copied it all down in Word and it saved profile photos/names/dates, ect. Am I open to any kind of repercussion for having this if I turn it in? Some chat convos in question M=Him F=Her M:Get off the computer!!!!! F:noooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and be quiet what??? write this on here so i know M:U could keep me quiet.... F:how??? M: I can't tell u F:please tell me pleeeeeeeeease or i will tell on u M: Great. Figures F:tell me then pleeeeeaaaasssse i wont tell no matter what but please tell me M:Ha...uhmm...i forgot F:suuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrre tellllllllllllllllllllll meeeeeeeeeeeee M:Cant. Id get in trouble and goto jail. Not happenin F:pleeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaase u act like im gonna tell somebody M: Possibly. Ur 11. F: i wont i promise soo pleeeaaassseee tel me M:Not to mention...u never know who else could be reading this F:noone im keeping an eye out so tellll me now telllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee nowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww tell me here not in person M:Tell u when u turn 17 F:Please tell me why it is and does it have to do with sec stuff I mean sex M:Sex stuff? F:what i mean is what u wouldnt tell me till im seventeen does it have to do with that im just really curious M:Yup. So I'll have to see u in 6 yrs. If I'm still around here. F:please just tell me no one gets on my facebook and i wont tell anybody i promise M:When you get older you'll understand why I won't. Jail time is not worth it. F:please tell me i promise i wont tell anybody and no one knows my password and u wont go to jail i will earase them so no one will see them M:You dont understand the gravity of the situation. I simply can not take the chance. Im sorry. What are you guys doin tonight? So, pretty weird right? Like I said, I didn't have permission to be on his account or anything, it was left open, but those are some odd convos for a guy in his 30's to have with an 11 year old. Not sure if they're actually illegal or just nothing. | dnbdp6l | dnbaori | 1,506,013,165 | 1,506,010,050 | 38 | 19 | This made me sick to my stomach, good instincts Op, go to the police "M:U could keep me quiet.... F:how??? M: I can't tell u" This is disgusting, how she could "keep him quiet" would in HIS words get him in trouble and he'd go to jail, HE says it's sex stuff Op, this is more than weird, he's a pedophile grooming his girlfriends daughter, 11 year old daughter Go to the police, the way he's talking it sounds like he's maybe done something like this before She's only 11 | He is a pedophile who is grooming her. Tell the mom | 1 | 3,115 | 2 |
748tm2 | legaladvice_train | 0.78 | Nevada: A long time, very dear friend was killed in the Las Vegas shooting. She left behind a 26 year old son...seeking advice for him. Hey There, LA, Just like the title says. I woke up this morning to find that a long time friend of mine (30+ years) was killed by the senseless violence in Las Vegas. She left behind a 26-year-old son. I am unsure if there were any preparations made (e.g., a will). I'm hoping to make this time less confusing for him by getting him some help to navigate what will be a horrible time in his young life. In the worst case scenario, that being no preparations were made, what advice can I share with him? And if preparations have been made, what kind of advice can I pass along? I am going to share the link to this post with him so he can see any advice for himself. I do not know if he will choose to comment. Thanks in advance..... | dnwq62w | dnx6s0c | 1,507,144,532 | 1,507,163,214 | 2 | 5 | I'm at a loss here... is he incompetent or something? Dude is 26, best advice is to tell him to find a trustworthy probate attorney and work it out through them, and that only if there's a large estate. Without knowing what's on the line anything any of us tell you will necessarily be too vague to be useful. | I'm hoping this is not against the rules but I'm going to post a link to another subreddit article from /r/personalfinance that is similar to a post that I came across a year ago when my father died, It's not the same thing but it helped me get everything in order and really helped me move forward by having a clear set of information for me to follow. Else I would have felt lost and as much as I hate to say it.. wallowed in grief. https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/wiki/death_of_loved_one Mods, if this is against the rules please let me know and I'll correct it, or remove it. @OP, I hope this helps your friend. edit: a word, and formatting. | 0 | 18,682 | 2.5 |
748tm2 | legaladvice_train | 0.78 | Nevada: A long time, very dear friend was killed in the Las Vegas shooting. She left behind a 26 year old son...seeking advice for him. Hey There, LA, Just like the title says. I woke up this morning to find that a long time friend of mine (30+ years) was killed by the senseless violence in Las Vegas. She left behind a 26-year-old son. I am unsure if there were any preparations made (e.g., a will). I'm hoping to make this time less confusing for him by getting him some help to navigate what will be a horrible time in his young life. In the worst case scenario, that being no preparations were made, what advice can I share with him? And if preparations have been made, what kind of advice can I pass along? I am going to share the link to this post with him so he can see any advice for himself. I do not know if he will choose to comment. Thanks in advance..... | dnx6s0c | dnx3mp0 | 1,507,163,214 | 1,507,159,407 | 5 | 2 | I'm hoping this is not against the rules but I'm going to post a link to another subreddit article from /r/personalfinance that is similar to a post that I came across a year ago when my father died, It's not the same thing but it helped me get everything in order and really helped me move forward by having a clear set of information for me to follow. Else I would have felt lost and as much as I hate to say it.. wallowed in grief. https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/wiki/death_of_loved_one Mods, if this is against the rules please let me know and I'll correct it, or remove it. @OP, I hope this helps your friend. edit: a word, and formatting. | Just to be clear, your friend was not married? Most of the advice here is for her not being married. There are some hints to that, but you didn't specify it. | 1 | 3,807 | 2.5 |
6smnxv | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | West Virginia: Possibly being fired from bank tomorrow morning for discussing wages First of all, thanks to anyone who takes time to read this. I have a meeting at 9am tomorrow morning with the Bank president, HR manager, and Ops manager. They sent me home today, with pay, after a brief scolding. They are very angry that I discussed my own and other's pay rates with a fellow employee. The issue at hand: employee A told several people they had a job offer from a competing bank for $14.75/hr. Employee A told the bank president and so he raised their pay to match the offer. Employee A told me about the raise and that they were not leaving our bank. I told employee B everything employee A had told me. Employee B has been at the bank several years more than employee A and was furious due to their much lower pay (undisclosed to me). This morning I was called into a meeting where I was told to leave and my fate would be decided tomorrow morning. I'm not proud that I caused drama, but I also don't feel that I did something to warrant termination with no prior offenses. As an aside, EVERYONE at the bank discusses other people's salary and wages. I'm not certain why I am the one taking the heat. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Sorry if I left anything of importance out. | dldwyb8 | dldwer2 | 1,502,297,914 | 1,502,297,371 | 1,354 | 383 | First, no you cannot be fired for discussing your pay with fellow employees. The U.S. has *very* few employment protections, but amazingly this is one of them. DO NOT tell management that it is illegal to fire you for this until AFTER you have the reason in writing. E-mail, text, etc. WV is, I believe, a one party consent state so I would get a cheap digital recorder or use an app on your phone to record the meeting. Play dumb instead of arguing, make them spell out ***exactly*** why they are firing you. Make them tell you it was wrong. "So it is against the rules for employees to discuss their wages?" Or even better: "I didn't know it was against the rules for employees to discuss their pay." Because these types love to point to some handbook passage or explain in great detail that it IS wrong and they are right to fire you. Give them enough rope to hang themselves. Then go immediately to an employment attorney and witness the justice boner. **edit:** This only applies if you can afford to be fired. If not, still try to get it in writing and record the meeting, but IF I needed the job because I was paycheck to paycheck I would fight like hell in that meeting and I would point out that if the NLRA applies then discussing wages is absolutely protected, even discussing third party employee wages. If you need it, tell them they cannot fire you for this and that we should all just go back to normal. Then immediately start looking for a new job. | If they do terminate you, go immediately to an employment attorney. I would probably hesitate arguing your case to them, and telling them it's illegal. That may give them an opportunity to amend their reasons for termination. And DO NOT SIGN ANYTHING. | 1 | 543 | 3.535248 |
6smnxv | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | West Virginia: Possibly being fired from bank tomorrow morning for discussing wages First of all, thanks to anyone who takes time to read this. I have a meeting at 9am tomorrow morning with the Bank president, HR manager, and Ops manager. They sent me home today, with pay, after a brief scolding. They are very angry that I discussed my own and other's pay rates with a fellow employee. The issue at hand: employee A told several people they had a job offer from a competing bank for $14.75/hr. Employee A told the bank president and so he raised their pay to match the offer. Employee A told me about the raise and that they were not leaving our bank. I told employee B everything employee A had told me. Employee B has been at the bank several years more than employee A and was furious due to their much lower pay (undisclosed to me). This morning I was called into a meeting where I was told to leave and my fate would be decided tomorrow morning. I'm not proud that I caused drama, but I also don't feel that I did something to warrant termination with no prior offenses. As an aside, EVERYONE at the bank discusses other people's salary and wages. I'm not certain why I am the one taking the heat. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Sorry if I left anything of importance out. | dldwyb8 | dldvr5w | 1,502,297,914 | 1,502,296,708 | 1,354 | 99 | First, no you cannot be fired for discussing your pay with fellow employees. The U.S. has *very* few employment protections, but amazingly this is one of them. DO NOT tell management that it is illegal to fire you for this until AFTER you have the reason in writing. E-mail, text, etc. WV is, I believe, a one party consent state so I would get a cheap digital recorder or use an app on your phone to record the meeting. Play dumb instead of arguing, make them spell out ***exactly*** why they are firing you. Make them tell you it was wrong. "So it is against the rules for employees to discuss their wages?" Or even better: "I didn't know it was against the rules for employees to discuss their pay." Because these types love to point to some handbook passage or explain in great detail that it IS wrong and they are right to fire you. Give them enough rope to hang themselves. Then go immediately to an employment attorney and witness the justice boner. **edit:** This only applies if you can afford to be fired. If not, still try to get it in writing and record the meeting, but IF I needed the job because I was paycheck to paycheck I would fight like hell in that meeting and I would point out that if the NLRA applies then discussing wages is absolutely protected, even discussing third party employee wages. If you need it, tell them they cannot fire you for this and that we should all just go back to normal. Then immediately start looking for a new job. | If you can tie this directly to you discussing pay, that would be a violation of the NLRA and that is illegal to be fired in retaliation. | 1 | 1,206 | 13.676768 |
6smnxv | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | West Virginia: Possibly being fired from bank tomorrow morning for discussing wages First of all, thanks to anyone who takes time to read this. I have a meeting at 9am tomorrow morning with the Bank president, HR manager, and Ops manager. They sent me home today, with pay, after a brief scolding. They are very angry that I discussed my own and other's pay rates with a fellow employee. The issue at hand: employee A told several people they had a job offer from a competing bank for $14.75/hr. Employee A told the bank president and so he raised their pay to match the offer. Employee A told me about the raise and that they were not leaving our bank. I told employee B everything employee A had told me. Employee B has been at the bank several years more than employee A and was furious due to their much lower pay (undisclosed to me). This morning I was called into a meeting where I was told to leave and my fate would be decided tomorrow morning. I'm not proud that I caused drama, but I also don't feel that I did something to warrant termination with no prior offenses. As an aside, EVERYONE at the bank discusses other people's salary and wages. I'm not certain why I am the one taking the heat. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Sorry if I left anything of importance out. | dldvr5w | dldwer2 | 1,502,296,708 | 1,502,297,371 | 99 | 383 | If you can tie this directly to you discussing pay, that would be a violation of the NLRA and that is illegal to be fired in retaliation. | If they do terminate you, go immediately to an employment attorney. I would probably hesitate arguing your case to them, and telling them it's illegal. That may give them an opportunity to amend their reasons for termination. And DO NOT SIGN ANYTHING. | 0 | 663 | 3.868687 |
6smnxv | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | West Virginia: Possibly being fired from bank tomorrow morning for discussing wages First of all, thanks to anyone who takes time to read this. I have a meeting at 9am tomorrow morning with the Bank president, HR manager, and Ops manager. They sent me home today, with pay, after a brief scolding. They are very angry that I discussed my own and other's pay rates with a fellow employee. The issue at hand: employee A told several people they had a job offer from a competing bank for $14.75/hr. Employee A told the bank president and so he raised their pay to match the offer. Employee A told me about the raise and that they were not leaving our bank. I told employee B everything employee A had told me. Employee B has been at the bank several years more than employee A and was furious due to their much lower pay (undisclosed to me). This morning I was called into a meeting where I was told to leave and my fate would be decided tomorrow morning. I'm not proud that I caused drama, but I also don't feel that I did something to warrant termination with no prior offenses. As an aside, EVERYONE at the bank discusses other people's salary and wages. I'm not certain why I am the one taking the heat. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Sorry if I left anything of importance out. | dldvr5w | dledwvf | 1,502,296,708 | 1,502,315,585 | 99 | 204 | If you can tie this directly to you discussing pay, that would be a violation of the NLRA and that is illegal to be fired in retaliation. | West Virginia is a one-party consent state so put your phone on 'record' and take it into the meeting. Not in plain sight. Then, if they fire you, and tell you that is why they fired you, take the recording - BACK IT UP - and go to a lawyer. | 0 | 18,877 | 2.060606 |
ojhm3b | legaladvice_train | 0.9 | (NC) Fired from my job discussing wages I used to work as an assistant manager and yesterday my district manager asked me if I could step down and take a regular full time associate job instead, because it "wasn't working out". I pressed for $25/hr and we settled on $21/hr. Immediately after we came to an agreement, district manager brought some new hire in and had them set their stuff up on my desk. Later that day, I was talking on the phone with a friend that works for a different store (within the same company) and told them I was making $21/hr now, and they ended up telling multiple coworkers about my pay. They complained to management and I got an email saying I was terminated "for violating company policy" I checked the employee handbook and one clause says that discussing salary/pay is a violation of company policy. this doesn't sound legal. What are my options? | h51n2rl | h51n602 | 1,626,189,631 | 1,626,189,670 | 25 | 26 | That’s not a legal policy, at least for all positions. Discussing wages is protected concerted activity for employees in non-managerial positions. You can file a complaint with the NLRB. Could get interesting with you being in a managerial role at the time of your separation, but sounds like your wage discussions were surrounding the individual contributor role. I’d submit the complaint with the NLRB and file for unemployment | Since you were discussing your future income as an associate, you are most likely protected by the NLRB. Make a complaint If you had been discussing your current salary, it would have depended on your exact duties and authority as an assistant manager, since you weren't necessarily protected by the NLRA in that role | 0 | 39 | 1.04 |
zb7p3h | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | I was sent home for discussing my paycheck with a coworker. The company I work for has recently began doing payroll in house and for the last two pay periods I have been shorted on overtime and health insurance has not been deducted from my paycheck. I was paid on the first of the month and realized the issue was still occurring and asked employee A, a manager, who was doing payroll so I could talk to them because my paycheck was not correct. He directed me to employee B, who he thought might have done payroll. Turns out B had not but she directed me employee C, the owners wife, who did payroll. Perfect. I texted the person in charge of payroll to try and set up a meeting so that we could go over the issue. She said we could meet that afternoon. Perfect. As I was about to leave the office and get back to work, B asked me what was wrong with my pay and I told her about the insurance issue and that it “seemed a little shorter that usual”. B told me that they had also been shorted and we briefly discussed the inconvenience due to the coming holidays. We knew it would get resolved in no time so it wasn’t too big of a deal. Our conversation lasted about 2 minutes and I was out the door. As I opened the door the owner of the company walks in and tells me we need to talk about my paycheck. He sat down and angrily asked me what was wrong. When I told him my issues he completely disregarded them and began yelling at me claiming I “attacked” multiple employees and made them feel “extremely uncomfortable” when I was inquiring about who did payroll. He told me they deducted 30 minutes per day for “mandatory lunch breaks”, and that was probably the issue so I shouldn’t worry about it. He then told me that I’m absolutely not allowed to discuss my paycheck with anybody but him. When I told him that this was never a rule at any of my previous jobs he snapped at me saying he “doesn’t give a shit about my other jobs, this is his company and his rule”. He was becoming so aggressive that I suggested recording our conversation because I felt it was becoming unprofessional, given that we’re trying to resolve a payroll error. He said “you don’t discuss your pay with other employees. Leave and go home before you really make me mad.” I asked if he was serious and he just repeated himself. So I left without saying another word. While packing up my tools, both A and B approached me asking what happened and I told them I’m was being sent home. I apologized to them for making them feel uncomfortable and they both were very confused, saying I didn’t make them feel that way at all, and that I had actually been pretty calm about the whole thing. I left. The next day we had a meeting to discuss my paycheck errors and he basically just yelled at me for 2 hours about how I was wrong for what I had done, and that I shouldn’t have “attacked” my coworkers about the issue . He reiterated heavily that I’m not allowed to discuss pay with others and he avoided my main issues with the pay until the very end of our conversation, where we finally got that resolved, although we couldn’t agree on how much he owed me due to an OT error. I was then sent home for the rest of the day while he figured it out my paycheck. I was told to think about whether or not I still want to work for him and let him know on Monday. My concern is that I’m going to get fired. I’m already strapped for cash and now I’m also down two days on this pay period due to being sent home. With the holiday around the corner I’m worried about my finances. Do I have a leg to stand on or did I mess up? Can he really send me home for discussing my paycheck with a coworker? | iypqfzq | iyqkvfd | 1,670,042,814 | 1,670,067,011 | 395 | 582 | Straight from the government site: Under the National Labor Relations Act, employees have the right to communicate with other employees at their workplace about their wages. | If they switched from a payroll processor to doing it in house it is only because they are tightening their belt before the company fully collapses. If you are in a one party state record as much as you are able to, start tracking your hours immediately and freshen up your resume. It is highly likely they are going to try to find a reason to let you go that will make it so you don't get unemployment so be on your best behavior, make it more difficult for them to fire you for cause. | 0 | 24,197 | 1.473418 |
zb7p3h | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | I was sent home for discussing my paycheck with a coworker. The company I work for has recently began doing payroll in house and for the last two pay periods I have been shorted on overtime and health insurance has not been deducted from my paycheck. I was paid on the first of the month and realized the issue was still occurring and asked employee A, a manager, who was doing payroll so I could talk to them because my paycheck was not correct. He directed me to employee B, who he thought might have done payroll. Turns out B had not but she directed me employee C, the owners wife, who did payroll. Perfect. I texted the person in charge of payroll to try and set up a meeting so that we could go over the issue. She said we could meet that afternoon. Perfect. As I was about to leave the office and get back to work, B asked me what was wrong with my pay and I told her about the insurance issue and that it “seemed a little shorter that usual”. B told me that they had also been shorted and we briefly discussed the inconvenience due to the coming holidays. We knew it would get resolved in no time so it wasn’t too big of a deal. Our conversation lasted about 2 minutes and I was out the door. As I opened the door the owner of the company walks in and tells me we need to talk about my paycheck. He sat down and angrily asked me what was wrong. When I told him my issues he completely disregarded them and began yelling at me claiming I “attacked” multiple employees and made them feel “extremely uncomfortable” when I was inquiring about who did payroll. He told me they deducted 30 minutes per day for “mandatory lunch breaks”, and that was probably the issue so I shouldn’t worry about it. He then told me that I’m absolutely not allowed to discuss my paycheck with anybody but him. When I told him that this was never a rule at any of my previous jobs he snapped at me saying he “doesn’t give a shit about my other jobs, this is his company and his rule”. He was becoming so aggressive that I suggested recording our conversation because I felt it was becoming unprofessional, given that we’re trying to resolve a payroll error. He said “you don’t discuss your pay with other employees. Leave and go home before you really make me mad.” I asked if he was serious and he just repeated himself. So I left without saying another word. While packing up my tools, both A and B approached me asking what happened and I told them I’m was being sent home. I apologized to them for making them feel uncomfortable and they both were very confused, saying I didn’t make them feel that way at all, and that I had actually been pretty calm about the whole thing. I left. The next day we had a meeting to discuss my paycheck errors and he basically just yelled at me for 2 hours about how I was wrong for what I had done, and that I shouldn’t have “attacked” my coworkers about the issue . He reiterated heavily that I’m not allowed to discuss pay with others and he avoided my main issues with the pay until the very end of our conversation, where we finally got that resolved, although we couldn’t agree on how much he owed me due to an OT error. I was then sent home for the rest of the day while he figured it out my paycheck. I was told to think about whether or not I still want to work for him and let him know on Monday. My concern is that I’m going to get fired. I’m already strapped for cash and now I’m also down two days on this pay period due to being sent home. With the holiday around the corner I’m worried about my finances. Do I have a leg to stand on or did I mess up? Can he really send me home for discussing my paycheck with a coworker? | iyqkvfd | iypqvbw | 1,670,067,011 | 1,670,043,046 | 582 | 181 | If they switched from a payroll processor to doing it in house it is only because they are tightening their belt before the company fully collapses. If you are in a one party state record as much as you are able to, start tracking your hours immediately and freshen up your resume. It is highly likely they are going to try to find a reason to let you go that will make it so you don't get unemployment so be on your best behavior, make it more difficult for them to fire you for cause. | Contact your local NLRB office. I did at one of my college jobs and it was hilarious watching my boss have to post a bunch of posters saying we were allowed to discuss wages. | 1 | 23,965 | 3.21547 |
zb7p3h | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | I was sent home for discussing my paycheck with a coworker. The company I work for has recently began doing payroll in house and for the last two pay periods I have been shorted on overtime and health insurance has not been deducted from my paycheck. I was paid on the first of the month and realized the issue was still occurring and asked employee A, a manager, who was doing payroll so I could talk to them because my paycheck was not correct. He directed me to employee B, who he thought might have done payroll. Turns out B had not but she directed me employee C, the owners wife, who did payroll. Perfect. I texted the person in charge of payroll to try and set up a meeting so that we could go over the issue. She said we could meet that afternoon. Perfect. As I was about to leave the office and get back to work, B asked me what was wrong with my pay and I told her about the insurance issue and that it “seemed a little shorter that usual”. B told me that they had also been shorted and we briefly discussed the inconvenience due to the coming holidays. We knew it would get resolved in no time so it wasn’t too big of a deal. Our conversation lasted about 2 minutes and I was out the door. As I opened the door the owner of the company walks in and tells me we need to talk about my paycheck. He sat down and angrily asked me what was wrong. When I told him my issues he completely disregarded them and began yelling at me claiming I “attacked” multiple employees and made them feel “extremely uncomfortable” when I was inquiring about who did payroll. He told me they deducted 30 minutes per day for “mandatory lunch breaks”, and that was probably the issue so I shouldn’t worry about it. He then told me that I’m absolutely not allowed to discuss my paycheck with anybody but him. When I told him that this was never a rule at any of my previous jobs he snapped at me saying he “doesn’t give a shit about my other jobs, this is his company and his rule”. He was becoming so aggressive that I suggested recording our conversation because I felt it was becoming unprofessional, given that we’re trying to resolve a payroll error. He said “you don’t discuss your pay with other employees. Leave and go home before you really make me mad.” I asked if he was serious and he just repeated himself. So I left without saying another word. While packing up my tools, both A and B approached me asking what happened and I told them I’m was being sent home. I apologized to them for making them feel uncomfortable and they both were very confused, saying I didn’t make them feel that way at all, and that I had actually been pretty calm about the whole thing. I left. The next day we had a meeting to discuss my paycheck errors and he basically just yelled at me for 2 hours about how I was wrong for what I had done, and that I shouldn’t have “attacked” my coworkers about the issue . He reiterated heavily that I’m not allowed to discuss pay with others and he avoided my main issues with the pay until the very end of our conversation, where we finally got that resolved, although we couldn’t agree on how much he owed me due to an OT error. I was then sent home for the rest of the day while he figured it out my paycheck. I was told to think about whether or not I still want to work for him and let him know on Monday. My concern is that I’m going to get fired. I’m already strapped for cash and now I’m also down two days on this pay period due to being sent home. With the holiday around the corner I’m worried about my finances. Do I have a leg to stand on or did I mess up? Can he really send me home for discussing my paycheck with a coworker? | iyqkvfd | iyq46ug | 1,670,067,011 | 1,670,052,343 | 582 | 79 | If they switched from a payroll processor to doing it in house it is only because they are tightening their belt before the company fully collapses. If you are in a one party state record as much as you are able to, start tracking your hours immediately and freshen up your resume. It is highly likely they are going to try to find a reason to let you go that will make it so you don't get unemployment so be on your best behavior, make it more difficult for them to fire you for cause. | You can and should contact the NLRB if you get fired over this. You are allowed to discuss wages, if you get fired for it (and can prove it) you will have a claim against your boss. Note, this process will take months at best, the NLRB will not float you through the holidays and pay your rent while the process is happening. I don’t mention this to discourage you from exercising your rights, just for the practicality of your situation. | 1 | 14,668 | 7.367089 |
zb7p3h | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | I was sent home for discussing my paycheck with a coworker. The company I work for has recently began doing payroll in house and for the last two pay periods I have been shorted on overtime and health insurance has not been deducted from my paycheck. I was paid on the first of the month and realized the issue was still occurring and asked employee A, a manager, who was doing payroll so I could talk to them because my paycheck was not correct. He directed me to employee B, who he thought might have done payroll. Turns out B had not but she directed me employee C, the owners wife, who did payroll. Perfect. I texted the person in charge of payroll to try and set up a meeting so that we could go over the issue. She said we could meet that afternoon. Perfect. As I was about to leave the office and get back to work, B asked me what was wrong with my pay and I told her about the insurance issue and that it “seemed a little shorter that usual”. B told me that they had also been shorted and we briefly discussed the inconvenience due to the coming holidays. We knew it would get resolved in no time so it wasn’t too big of a deal. Our conversation lasted about 2 minutes and I was out the door. As I opened the door the owner of the company walks in and tells me we need to talk about my paycheck. He sat down and angrily asked me what was wrong. When I told him my issues he completely disregarded them and began yelling at me claiming I “attacked” multiple employees and made them feel “extremely uncomfortable” when I was inquiring about who did payroll. He told me they deducted 30 minutes per day for “mandatory lunch breaks”, and that was probably the issue so I shouldn’t worry about it. He then told me that I’m absolutely not allowed to discuss my paycheck with anybody but him. When I told him that this was never a rule at any of my previous jobs he snapped at me saying he “doesn’t give a shit about my other jobs, this is his company and his rule”. He was becoming so aggressive that I suggested recording our conversation because I felt it was becoming unprofessional, given that we’re trying to resolve a payroll error. He said “you don’t discuss your pay with other employees. Leave and go home before you really make me mad.” I asked if he was serious and he just repeated himself. So I left without saying another word. While packing up my tools, both A and B approached me asking what happened and I told them I’m was being sent home. I apologized to them for making them feel uncomfortable and they both were very confused, saying I didn’t make them feel that way at all, and that I had actually been pretty calm about the whole thing. I left. The next day we had a meeting to discuss my paycheck errors and he basically just yelled at me for 2 hours about how I was wrong for what I had done, and that I shouldn’t have “attacked” my coworkers about the issue . He reiterated heavily that I’m not allowed to discuss pay with others and he avoided my main issues with the pay until the very end of our conversation, where we finally got that resolved, although we couldn’t agree on how much he owed me due to an OT error. I was then sent home for the rest of the day while he figured it out my paycheck. I was told to think about whether or not I still want to work for him and let him know on Monday. My concern is that I’m going to get fired. I’m already strapped for cash and now I’m also down two days on this pay period due to being sent home. With the holiday around the corner I’m worried about my finances. Do I have a leg to stand on or did I mess up? Can he really send me home for discussing my paycheck with a coworker? | iyqkvfd | iyq194k | 1,670,067,011 | 1,670,049,999 | 582 | 47 | If they switched from a payroll processor to doing it in house it is only because they are tightening their belt before the company fully collapses. If you are in a one party state record as much as you are able to, start tracking your hours immediately and freshen up your resume. It is highly likely they are going to try to find a reason to let you go that will make it so you don't get unemployment so be on your best behavior, make it more difficult for them to fire you for cause. | It is illegal for a US employer to prohibit an employee from discussing wages. Labor commissioners (or your state's equivalent government agencies) take this seriously, and if you report it, your boss will get in trouble, as he deserves. I encourage you to document this and report it. Can he fire you for it? Of course he can. He can fire you for anything. But he'll get in even more trouble, and probably be forced to pay you compensation and hire you back. Keep in mind, if he's savvy, and he does fire you, it could be hard to prove he fired you because of your labor complaint. But if he was savvy, he wouldn't be doing something so obviously illegal. | 1 | 17,012 | 12.382979 |
zb7p3h | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | I was sent home for discussing my paycheck with a coworker. The company I work for has recently began doing payroll in house and for the last two pay periods I have been shorted on overtime and health insurance has not been deducted from my paycheck. I was paid on the first of the month and realized the issue was still occurring and asked employee A, a manager, who was doing payroll so I could talk to them because my paycheck was not correct. He directed me to employee B, who he thought might have done payroll. Turns out B had not but she directed me employee C, the owners wife, who did payroll. Perfect. I texted the person in charge of payroll to try and set up a meeting so that we could go over the issue. She said we could meet that afternoon. Perfect. As I was about to leave the office and get back to work, B asked me what was wrong with my pay and I told her about the insurance issue and that it “seemed a little shorter that usual”. B told me that they had also been shorted and we briefly discussed the inconvenience due to the coming holidays. We knew it would get resolved in no time so it wasn’t too big of a deal. Our conversation lasted about 2 minutes and I was out the door. As I opened the door the owner of the company walks in and tells me we need to talk about my paycheck. He sat down and angrily asked me what was wrong. When I told him my issues he completely disregarded them and began yelling at me claiming I “attacked” multiple employees and made them feel “extremely uncomfortable” when I was inquiring about who did payroll. He told me they deducted 30 minutes per day for “mandatory lunch breaks”, and that was probably the issue so I shouldn’t worry about it. He then told me that I’m absolutely not allowed to discuss my paycheck with anybody but him. When I told him that this was never a rule at any of my previous jobs he snapped at me saying he “doesn’t give a shit about my other jobs, this is his company and his rule”. He was becoming so aggressive that I suggested recording our conversation because I felt it was becoming unprofessional, given that we’re trying to resolve a payroll error. He said “you don’t discuss your pay with other employees. Leave and go home before you really make me mad.” I asked if he was serious and he just repeated himself. So I left without saying another word. While packing up my tools, both A and B approached me asking what happened and I told them I’m was being sent home. I apologized to them for making them feel uncomfortable and they both were very confused, saying I didn’t make them feel that way at all, and that I had actually been pretty calm about the whole thing. I left. The next day we had a meeting to discuss my paycheck errors and he basically just yelled at me for 2 hours about how I was wrong for what I had done, and that I shouldn’t have “attacked” my coworkers about the issue . He reiterated heavily that I’m not allowed to discuss pay with others and he avoided my main issues with the pay until the very end of our conversation, where we finally got that resolved, although we couldn’t agree on how much he owed me due to an OT error. I was then sent home for the rest of the day while he figured it out my paycheck. I was told to think about whether or not I still want to work for him and let him know on Monday. My concern is that I’m going to get fired. I’m already strapped for cash and now I’m also down two days on this pay period due to being sent home. With the holiday around the corner I’m worried about my finances. Do I have a leg to stand on or did I mess up? Can he really send me home for discussing my paycheck with a coworker? | iyq46ug | iyq194k | 1,670,052,343 | 1,670,049,999 | 79 | 47 | You can and should contact the NLRB if you get fired over this. You are allowed to discuss wages, if you get fired for it (and can prove it) you will have a claim against your boss. Note, this process will take months at best, the NLRB will not float you through the holidays and pay your rent while the process is happening. I don’t mention this to discourage you from exercising your rights, just for the practicality of your situation. | It is illegal for a US employer to prohibit an employee from discussing wages. Labor commissioners (or your state's equivalent government agencies) take this seriously, and if you report it, your boss will get in trouble, as he deserves. I encourage you to document this and report it. Can he fire you for it? Of course he can. He can fire you for anything. But he'll get in even more trouble, and probably be forced to pay you compensation and hire you back. Keep in mind, if he's savvy, and he does fire you, it could be hard to prove he fired you because of your labor complaint. But if he was savvy, he wouldn't be doing something so obviously illegal. | 1 | 2,344 | 1.680851 |
zb7p3h | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | I was sent home for discussing my paycheck with a coworker. The company I work for has recently began doing payroll in house and for the last two pay periods I have been shorted on overtime and health insurance has not been deducted from my paycheck. I was paid on the first of the month and realized the issue was still occurring and asked employee A, a manager, who was doing payroll so I could talk to them because my paycheck was not correct. He directed me to employee B, who he thought might have done payroll. Turns out B had not but she directed me employee C, the owners wife, who did payroll. Perfect. I texted the person in charge of payroll to try and set up a meeting so that we could go over the issue. She said we could meet that afternoon. Perfect. As I was about to leave the office and get back to work, B asked me what was wrong with my pay and I told her about the insurance issue and that it “seemed a little shorter that usual”. B told me that they had also been shorted and we briefly discussed the inconvenience due to the coming holidays. We knew it would get resolved in no time so it wasn’t too big of a deal. Our conversation lasted about 2 minutes and I was out the door. As I opened the door the owner of the company walks in and tells me we need to talk about my paycheck. He sat down and angrily asked me what was wrong. When I told him my issues he completely disregarded them and began yelling at me claiming I “attacked” multiple employees and made them feel “extremely uncomfortable” when I was inquiring about who did payroll. He told me they deducted 30 minutes per day for “mandatory lunch breaks”, and that was probably the issue so I shouldn’t worry about it. He then told me that I’m absolutely not allowed to discuss my paycheck with anybody but him. When I told him that this was never a rule at any of my previous jobs he snapped at me saying he “doesn’t give a shit about my other jobs, this is his company and his rule”. He was becoming so aggressive that I suggested recording our conversation because I felt it was becoming unprofessional, given that we’re trying to resolve a payroll error. He said “you don’t discuss your pay with other employees. Leave and go home before you really make me mad.” I asked if he was serious and he just repeated himself. So I left without saying another word. While packing up my tools, both A and B approached me asking what happened and I told them I’m was being sent home. I apologized to them for making them feel uncomfortable and they both were very confused, saying I didn’t make them feel that way at all, and that I had actually been pretty calm about the whole thing. I left. The next day we had a meeting to discuss my paycheck errors and he basically just yelled at me for 2 hours about how I was wrong for what I had done, and that I shouldn’t have “attacked” my coworkers about the issue . He reiterated heavily that I’m not allowed to discuss pay with others and he avoided my main issues with the pay until the very end of our conversation, where we finally got that resolved, although we couldn’t agree on how much he owed me due to an OT error. I was then sent home for the rest of the day while he figured it out my paycheck. I was told to think about whether or not I still want to work for him and let him know on Monday. My concern is that I’m going to get fired. I’m already strapped for cash and now I’m also down two days on this pay period due to being sent home. With the holiday around the corner I’m worried about my finances. Do I have a leg to stand on or did I mess up? Can he really send me home for discussing my paycheck with a coworker? | iyr2d2h | iyr0sjh | 1,670,078,170 | 1,670,077,377 | 30 | 19 | Did you actually get those 30 minute breaks? | If you were shorted on pay and they do not correct it, you can file a claim with your state's department of Labor. If your state does not have a department of Labor, you can report it to the federal dept of Labor. Search for "reporting unpaid wages (your state)". | 1 | 793 | 1.578947 |
zb7p3h | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | I was sent home for discussing my paycheck with a coworker. The company I work for has recently began doing payroll in house and for the last two pay periods I have been shorted on overtime and health insurance has not been deducted from my paycheck. I was paid on the first of the month and realized the issue was still occurring and asked employee A, a manager, who was doing payroll so I could talk to them because my paycheck was not correct. He directed me to employee B, who he thought might have done payroll. Turns out B had not but she directed me employee C, the owners wife, who did payroll. Perfect. I texted the person in charge of payroll to try and set up a meeting so that we could go over the issue. She said we could meet that afternoon. Perfect. As I was about to leave the office and get back to work, B asked me what was wrong with my pay and I told her about the insurance issue and that it “seemed a little shorter that usual”. B told me that they had also been shorted and we briefly discussed the inconvenience due to the coming holidays. We knew it would get resolved in no time so it wasn’t too big of a deal. Our conversation lasted about 2 minutes and I was out the door. As I opened the door the owner of the company walks in and tells me we need to talk about my paycheck. He sat down and angrily asked me what was wrong. When I told him my issues he completely disregarded them and began yelling at me claiming I “attacked” multiple employees and made them feel “extremely uncomfortable” when I was inquiring about who did payroll. He told me they deducted 30 minutes per day for “mandatory lunch breaks”, and that was probably the issue so I shouldn’t worry about it. He then told me that I’m absolutely not allowed to discuss my paycheck with anybody but him. When I told him that this was never a rule at any of my previous jobs he snapped at me saying he “doesn’t give a shit about my other jobs, this is his company and his rule”. He was becoming so aggressive that I suggested recording our conversation because I felt it was becoming unprofessional, given that we’re trying to resolve a payroll error. He said “you don’t discuss your pay with other employees. Leave and go home before you really make me mad.” I asked if he was serious and he just repeated himself. So I left without saying another word. While packing up my tools, both A and B approached me asking what happened and I told them I’m was being sent home. I apologized to them for making them feel uncomfortable and they both were very confused, saying I didn’t make them feel that way at all, and that I had actually been pretty calm about the whole thing. I left. The next day we had a meeting to discuss my paycheck errors and he basically just yelled at me for 2 hours about how I was wrong for what I had done, and that I shouldn’t have “attacked” my coworkers about the issue . He reiterated heavily that I’m not allowed to discuss pay with others and he avoided my main issues with the pay until the very end of our conversation, where we finally got that resolved, although we couldn’t agree on how much he owed me due to an OT error. I was then sent home for the rest of the day while he figured it out my paycheck. I was told to think about whether or not I still want to work for him and let him know on Monday. My concern is that I’m going to get fired. I’m already strapped for cash and now I’m also down two days on this pay period due to being sent home. With the holiday around the corner I’m worried about my finances. Do I have a leg to stand on or did I mess up? Can he really send me home for discussing my paycheck with a coworker? | iyr0sjh | iyr5f36 | 1,670,077,377 | 1,670,079,666 | 19 | 20 | If you were shorted on pay and they do not correct it, you can file a claim with your state's department of Labor. If your state does not have a department of Labor, you can report it to the federal dept of Labor. Search for "reporting unpaid wages (your state)". | Sounds to me like the owner has something to hide with such a vehement outburst regarding pay. Willing to bet there may be some serious pay disparity going on. In the U.S. it is not illegal to discuss pay. That said, you need to do what you need to do regarding continuing to work there. In the meantime, I suggest doing a serious review of all of your paystubs. Also follow the advice of earlier posters, look into national labor laws and even your state laws. If you have an L&I (labor and industries) in your state, also check with them regarding your pay discrepancies and being sent home for asking about them. | 0 | 2,289 | 1.052632 |
zb7p3h | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | I was sent home for discussing my paycheck with a coworker. The company I work for has recently began doing payroll in house and for the last two pay periods I have been shorted on overtime and health insurance has not been deducted from my paycheck. I was paid on the first of the month and realized the issue was still occurring and asked employee A, a manager, who was doing payroll so I could talk to them because my paycheck was not correct. He directed me to employee B, who he thought might have done payroll. Turns out B had not but she directed me employee C, the owners wife, who did payroll. Perfect. I texted the person in charge of payroll to try and set up a meeting so that we could go over the issue. She said we could meet that afternoon. Perfect. As I was about to leave the office and get back to work, B asked me what was wrong with my pay and I told her about the insurance issue and that it “seemed a little shorter that usual”. B told me that they had also been shorted and we briefly discussed the inconvenience due to the coming holidays. We knew it would get resolved in no time so it wasn’t too big of a deal. Our conversation lasted about 2 minutes and I was out the door. As I opened the door the owner of the company walks in and tells me we need to talk about my paycheck. He sat down and angrily asked me what was wrong. When I told him my issues he completely disregarded them and began yelling at me claiming I “attacked” multiple employees and made them feel “extremely uncomfortable” when I was inquiring about who did payroll. He told me they deducted 30 minutes per day for “mandatory lunch breaks”, and that was probably the issue so I shouldn’t worry about it. He then told me that I’m absolutely not allowed to discuss my paycheck with anybody but him. When I told him that this was never a rule at any of my previous jobs he snapped at me saying he “doesn’t give a shit about my other jobs, this is his company and his rule”. He was becoming so aggressive that I suggested recording our conversation because I felt it was becoming unprofessional, given that we’re trying to resolve a payroll error. He said “you don’t discuss your pay with other employees. Leave and go home before you really make me mad.” I asked if he was serious and he just repeated himself. So I left without saying another word. While packing up my tools, both A and B approached me asking what happened and I told them I’m was being sent home. I apologized to them for making them feel uncomfortable and they both were very confused, saying I didn’t make them feel that way at all, and that I had actually been pretty calm about the whole thing. I left. The next day we had a meeting to discuss my paycheck errors and he basically just yelled at me for 2 hours about how I was wrong for what I had done, and that I shouldn’t have “attacked” my coworkers about the issue . He reiterated heavily that I’m not allowed to discuss pay with others and he avoided my main issues with the pay until the very end of our conversation, where we finally got that resolved, although we couldn’t agree on how much he owed me due to an OT error. I was then sent home for the rest of the day while he figured it out my paycheck. I was told to think about whether or not I still want to work for him and let him know on Monday. My concern is that I’m going to get fired. I’m already strapped for cash and now I’m also down two days on this pay period due to being sent home. With the holiday around the corner I’m worried about my finances. Do I have a leg to stand on or did I mess up? Can he really send me home for discussing my paycheck with a coworker? | iyrctwe | iyrwveg | 1,670,082,924 | 1,670,091,103 | 17 | 18 | Not a lawyer but former union organizer. It is an unfair labor practice to direct an employee not to discuss wages, benefits, or working conditions. That is a federally protected right. They may not retaliate against an employee doing so even if it’s “against company policy not to discuss” and termination based along those grounds is definitely a ULP. Filing with the NLRB is free. | Advice here is wild; I'm hoping you're in the states. This is illegal; you can't be fired or punished for talking to coworkers about your paycheck. The best thing you can do right now is get written confirmation from your boss that you're having your hours reduced as punishment for talking about wages. That's a smoking gun for the NLRB and your state labor board. Contact them immediately. It's hard to tell from your post if the business is going under, or if it's just very poorly managed-so time may or may not be a factor. This is illegal treatment of employees; there are big fines attached as well as additional serious financial penalties if you are punished later for reporting the illegal activity. You need to start looking for a new job regardless, but reporting this will establish a paper trail and will open your boss up to a lawsuit if you're fired. | 0 | 8,179 | 1.058824 |
zb7p3h | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | I was sent home for discussing my paycheck with a coworker. The company I work for has recently began doing payroll in house and for the last two pay periods I have been shorted on overtime and health insurance has not been deducted from my paycheck. I was paid on the first of the month and realized the issue was still occurring and asked employee A, a manager, who was doing payroll so I could talk to them because my paycheck was not correct. He directed me to employee B, who he thought might have done payroll. Turns out B had not but she directed me employee C, the owners wife, who did payroll. Perfect. I texted the person in charge of payroll to try and set up a meeting so that we could go over the issue. She said we could meet that afternoon. Perfect. As I was about to leave the office and get back to work, B asked me what was wrong with my pay and I told her about the insurance issue and that it “seemed a little shorter that usual”. B told me that they had also been shorted and we briefly discussed the inconvenience due to the coming holidays. We knew it would get resolved in no time so it wasn’t too big of a deal. Our conversation lasted about 2 minutes and I was out the door. As I opened the door the owner of the company walks in and tells me we need to talk about my paycheck. He sat down and angrily asked me what was wrong. When I told him my issues he completely disregarded them and began yelling at me claiming I “attacked” multiple employees and made them feel “extremely uncomfortable” when I was inquiring about who did payroll. He told me they deducted 30 minutes per day for “mandatory lunch breaks”, and that was probably the issue so I shouldn’t worry about it. He then told me that I’m absolutely not allowed to discuss my paycheck with anybody but him. When I told him that this was never a rule at any of my previous jobs he snapped at me saying he “doesn’t give a shit about my other jobs, this is his company and his rule”. He was becoming so aggressive that I suggested recording our conversation because I felt it was becoming unprofessional, given that we’re trying to resolve a payroll error. He said “you don’t discuss your pay with other employees. Leave and go home before you really make me mad.” I asked if he was serious and he just repeated himself. So I left without saying another word. While packing up my tools, both A and B approached me asking what happened and I told them I’m was being sent home. I apologized to them for making them feel uncomfortable and they both were very confused, saying I didn’t make them feel that way at all, and that I had actually been pretty calm about the whole thing. I left. The next day we had a meeting to discuss my paycheck errors and he basically just yelled at me for 2 hours about how I was wrong for what I had done, and that I shouldn’t have “attacked” my coworkers about the issue . He reiterated heavily that I’m not allowed to discuss pay with others and he avoided my main issues with the pay until the very end of our conversation, where we finally got that resolved, although we couldn’t agree on how much he owed me due to an OT error. I was then sent home for the rest of the day while he figured it out my paycheck. I was told to think about whether or not I still want to work for him and let him know on Monday. My concern is that I’m going to get fired. I’m already strapped for cash and now I’m also down two days on this pay period due to being sent home. With the holiday around the corner I’m worried about my finances. Do I have a leg to stand on or did I mess up? Can he really send me home for discussing my paycheck with a coworker? | iyrwveg | iyrayz1 | 1,670,091,103 | 1,670,082,181 | 18 | 12 | Advice here is wild; I'm hoping you're in the states. This is illegal; you can't be fired or punished for talking to coworkers about your paycheck. The best thing you can do right now is get written confirmation from your boss that you're having your hours reduced as punishment for talking about wages. That's a smoking gun for the NLRB and your state labor board. Contact them immediately. It's hard to tell from your post if the business is going under, or if it's just very poorly managed-so time may or may not be a factor. This is illegal treatment of employees; there are big fines attached as well as additional serious financial penalties if you are punished later for reporting the illegal activity. You need to start looking for a new job regardless, but reporting this will establish a paper trail and will open your boss up to a lawsuit if you're fired. | The law allows you to discuss pay unless you’re in a top management position. If your employer takes any action against you for discussing pay, you can take legal action. | 1 | 8,922 | 1.5 |
zb7p3h | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | I was sent home for discussing my paycheck with a coworker. The company I work for has recently began doing payroll in house and for the last two pay periods I have been shorted on overtime and health insurance has not been deducted from my paycheck. I was paid on the first of the month and realized the issue was still occurring and asked employee A, a manager, who was doing payroll so I could talk to them because my paycheck was not correct. He directed me to employee B, who he thought might have done payroll. Turns out B had not but she directed me employee C, the owners wife, who did payroll. Perfect. I texted the person in charge of payroll to try and set up a meeting so that we could go over the issue. She said we could meet that afternoon. Perfect. As I was about to leave the office and get back to work, B asked me what was wrong with my pay and I told her about the insurance issue and that it “seemed a little shorter that usual”. B told me that they had also been shorted and we briefly discussed the inconvenience due to the coming holidays. We knew it would get resolved in no time so it wasn’t too big of a deal. Our conversation lasted about 2 minutes and I was out the door. As I opened the door the owner of the company walks in and tells me we need to talk about my paycheck. He sat down and angrily asked me what was wrong. When I told him my issues he completely disregarded them and began yelling at me claiming I “attacked” multiple employees and made them feel “extremely uncomfortable” when I was inquiring about who did payroll. He told me they deducted 30 minutes per day for “mandatory lunch breaks”, and that was probably the issue so I shouldn’t worry about it. He then told me that I’m absolutely not allowed to discuss my paycheck with anybody but him. When I told him that this was never a rule at any of my previous jobs he snapped at me saying he “doesn’t give a shit about my other jobs, this is his company and his rule”. He was becoming so aggressive that I suggested recording our conversation because I felt it was becoming unprofessional, given that we’re trying to resolve a payroll error. He said “you don’t discuss your pay with other employees. Leave and go home before you really make me mad.” I asked if he was serious and he just repeated himself. So I left without saying another word. While packing up my tools, both A and B approached me asking what happened and I told them I’m was being sent home. I apologized to them for making them feel uncomfortable and they both were very confused, saying I didn’t make them feel that way at all, and that I had actually been pretty calm about the whole thing. I left. The next day we had a meeting to discuss my paycheck errors and he basically just yelled at me for 2 hours about how I was wrong for what I had done, and that I shouldn’t have “attacked” my coworkers about the issue . He reiterated heavily that I’m not allowed to discuss pay with others and he avoided my main issues with the pay until the very end of our conversation, where we finally got that resolved, although we couldn’t agree on how much he owed me due to an OT error. I was then sent home for the rest of the day while he figured it out my paycheck. I was told to think about whether or not I still want to work for him and let him know on Monday. My concern is that I’m going to get fired. I’m already strapped for cash and now I’m also down two days on this pay period due to being sent home. With the holiday around the corner I’m worried about my finances. Do I have a leg to stand on or did I mess up? Can he really send me home for discussing my paycheck with a coworker? | iyrwveg | iyrte7x | 1,670,091,103 | 1,670,089,662 | 18 | 3 | Advice here is wild; I'm hoping you're in the states. This is illegal; you can't be fired or punished for talking to coworkers about your paycheck. The best thing you can do right now is get written confirmation from your boss that you're having your hours reduced as punishment for talking about wages. That's a smoking gun for the NLRB and your state labor board. Contact them immediately. It's hard to tell from your post if the business is going under, or if it's just very poorly managed-so time may or may not be a factor. This is illegal treatment of employees; there are big fines attached as well as additional serious financial penalties if you are punished later for reporting the illegal activity. You need to start looking for a new job regardless, but reporting this will establish a paper trail and will open your boss up to a lawsuit if you're fired. | Also, make sure that everyone else knows that HE sent YOU home. Both that you just walked out those two days. | 1 | 1,441 | 6 |
zb7p3h | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | I was sent home for discussing my paycheck with a coworker. The company I work for has recently began doing payroll in house and for the last two pay periods I have been shorted on overtime and health insurance has not been deducted from my paycheck. I was paid on the first of the month and realized the issue was still occurring and asked employee A, a manager, who was doing payroll so I could talk to them because my paycheck was not correct. He directed me to employee B, who he thought might have done payroll. Turns out B had not but she directed me employee C, the owners wife, who did payroll. Perfect. I texted the person in charge of payroll to try and set up a meeting so that we could go over the issue. She said we could meet that afternoon. Perfect. As I was about to leave the office and get back to work, B asked me what was wrong with my pay and I told her about the insurance issue and that it “seemed a little shorter that usual”. B told me that they had also been shorted and we briefly discussed the inconvenience due to the coming holidays. We knew it would get resolved in no time so it wasn’t too big of a deal. Our conversation lasted about 2 minutes and I was out the door. As I opened the door the owner of the company walks in and tells me we need to talk about my paycheck. He sat down and angrily asked me what was wrong. When I told him my issues he completely disregarded them and began yelling at me claiming I “attacked” multiple employees and made them feel “extremely uncomfortable” when I was inquiring about who did payroll. He told me they deducted 30 minutes per day for “mandatory lunch breaks”, and that was probably the issue so I shouldn’t worry about it. He then told me that I’m absolutely not allowed to discuss my paycheck with anybody but him. When I told him that this was never a rule at any of my previous jobs he snapped at me saying he “doesn’t give a shit about my other jobs, this is his company and his rule”. He was becoming so aggressive that I suggested recording our conversation because I felt it was becoming unprofessional, given that we’re trying to resolve a payroll error. He said “you don’t discuss your pay with other employees. Leave and go home before you really make me mad.” I asked if he was serious and he just repeated himself. So I left without saying another word. While packing up my tools, both A and B approached me asking what happened and I told them I’m was being sent home. I apologized to them for making them feel uncomfortable and they both were very confused, saying I didn’t make them feel that way at all, and that I had actually been pretty calm about the whole thing. I left. The next day we had a meeting to discuss my paycheck errors and he basically just yelled at me for 2 hours about how I was wrong for what I had done, and that I shouldn’t have “attacked” my coworkers about the issue . He reiterated heavily that I’m not allowed to discuss pay with others and he avoided my main issues with the pay until the very end of our conversation, where we finally got that resolved, although we couldn’t agree on how much he owed me due to an OT error. I was then sent home for the rest of the day while he figured it out my paycheck. I was told to think about whether or not I still want to work for him and let him know on Monday. My concern is that I’m going to get fired. I’m already strapped for cash and now I’m also down two days on this pay period due to being sent home. With the holiday around the corner I’m worried about my finances. Do I have a leg to stand on or did I mess up? Can he really send me home for discussing my paycheck with a coworker? | iyrayz1 | iyrctwe | 1,670,082,181 | 1,670,082,924 | 12 | 17 | The law allows you to discuss pay unless you’re in a top management position. If your employer takes any action against you for discussing pay, you can take legal action. | Not a lawyer but former union organizer. It is an unfair labor practice to direct an employee not to discuss wages, benefits, or working conditions. That is a federally protected right. They may not retaliate against an employee doing so even if it’s “against company policy not to discuss” and termination based along those grounds is definitely a ULP. Filing with the NLRB is free. | 0 | 743 | 1.416667 |
zb7p3h | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | I was sent home for discussing my paycheck with a coworker. The company I work for has recently began doing payroll in house and for the last two pay periods I have been shorted on overtime and health insurance has not been deducted from my paycheck. I was paid on the first of the month and realized the issue was still occurring and asked employee A, a manager, who was doing payroll so I could talk to them because my paycheck was not correct. He directed me to employee B, who he thought might have done payroll. Turns out B had not but she directed me employee C, the owners wife, who did payroll. Perfect. I texted the person in charge of payroll to try and set up a meeting so that we could go over the issue. She said we could meet that afternoon. Perfect. As I was about to leave the office and get back to work, B asked me what was wrong with my pay and I told her about the insurance issue and that it “seemed a little shorter that usual”. B told me that they had also been shorted and we briefly discussed the inconvenience due to the coming holidays. We knew it would get resolved in no time so it wasn’t too big of a deal. Our conversation lasted about 2 minutes and I was out the door. As I opened the door the owner of the company walks in and tells me we need to talk about my paycheck. He sat down and angrily asked me what was wrong. When I told him my issues he completely disregarded them and began yelling at me claiming I “attacked” multiple employees and made them feel “extremely uncomfortable” when I was inquiring about who did payroll. He told me they deducted 30 minutes per day for “mandatory lunch breaks”, and that was probably the issue so I shouldn’t worry about it. He then told me that I’m absolutely not allowed to discuss my paycheck with anybody but him. When I told him that this was never a rule at any of my previous jobs he snapped at me saying he “doesn’t give a shit about my other jobs, this is his company and his rule”. He was becoming so aggressive that I suggested recording our conversation because I felt it was becoming unprofessional, given that we’re trying to resolve a payroll error. He said “you don’t discuss your pay with other employees. Leave and go home before you really make me mad.” I asked if he was serious and he just repeated himself. So I left without saying another word. While packing up my tools, both A and B approached me asking what happened and I told them I’m was being sent home. I apologized to them for making them feel uncomfortable and they both were very confused, saying I didn’t make them feel that way at all, and that I had actually been pretty calm about the whole thing. I left. The next day we had a meeting to discuss my paycheck errors and he basically just yelled at me for 2 hours about how I was wrong for what I had done, and that I shouldn’t have “attacked” my coworkers about the issue . He reiterated heavily that I’m not allowed to discuss pay with others and he avoided my main issues with the pay until the very end of our conversation, where we finally got that resolved, although we couldn’t agree on how much he owed me due to an OT error. I was then sent home for the rest of the day while he figured it out my paycheck. I was told to think about whether or not I still want to work for him and let him know on Monday. My concern is that I’m going to get fired. I’m already strapped for cash and now I’m also down two days on this pay period due to being sent home. With the holiday around the corner I’m worried about my finances. Do I have a leg to stand on or did I mess up? Can he really send me home for discussing my paycheck with a coworker? | iyrte7x | iyrxlg3 | 1,670,089,662 | 1,670,091,411 | 3 | 6 | Also, make sure that everyone else knows that HE sent YOU home. Both that you just walked out those two days. | It is completely illegal for him to tell you that you can’t discuss your pay with your coworkers | 0 | 1,749 | 2 |
zb7p3h | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | I was sent home for discussing my paycheck with a coworker. The company I work for has recently began doing payroll in house and for the last two pay periods I have been shorted on overtime and health insurance has not been deducted from my paycheck. I was paid on the first of the month and realized the issue was still occurring and asked employee A, a manager, who was doing payroll so I could talk to them because my paycheck was not correct. He directed me to employee B, who he thought might have done payroll. Turns out B had not but she directed me employee C, the owners wife, who did payroll. Perfect. I texted the person in charge of payroll to try and set up a meeting so that we could go over the issue. She said we could meet that afternoon. Perfect. As I was about to leave the office and get back to work, B asked me what was wrong with my pay and I told her about the insurance issue and that it “seemed a little shorter that usual”. B told me that they had also been shorted and we briefly discussed the inconvenience due to the coming holidays. We knew it would get resolved in no time so it wasn’t too big of a deal. Our conversation lasted about 2 minutes and I was out the door. As I opened the door the owner of the company walks in and tells me we need to talk about my paycheck. He sat down and angrily asked me what was wrong. When I told him my issues he completely disregarded them and began yelling at me claiming I “attacked” multiple employees and made them feel “extremely uncomfortable” when I was inquiring about who did payroll. He told me they deducted 30 minutes per day for “mandatory lunch breaks”, and that was probably the issue so I shouldn’t worry about it. He then told me that I’m absolutely not allowed to discuss my paycheck with anybody but him. When I told him that this was never a rule at any of my previous jobs he snapped at me saying he “doesn’t give a shit about my other jobs, this is his company and his rule”. He was becoming so aggressive that I suggested recording our conversation because I felt it was becoming unprofessional, given that we’re trying to resolve a payroll error. He said “you don’t discuss your pay with other employees. Leave and go home before you really make me mad.” I asked if he was serious and he just repeated himself. So I left without saying another word. While packing up my tools, both A and B approached me asking what happened and I told them I’m was being sent home. I apologized to them for making them feel uncomfortable and they both were very confused, saying I didn’t make them feel that way at all, and that I had actually been pretty calm about the whole thing. I left. The next day we had a meeting to discuss my paycheck errors and he basically just yelled at me for 2 hours about how I was wrong for what I had done, and that I shouldn’t have “attacked” my coworkers about the issue . He reiterated heavily that I’m not allowed to discuss pay with others and he avoided my main issues with the pay until the very end of our conversation, where we finally got that resolved, although we couldn’t agree on how much he owed me due to an OT error. I was then sent home for the rest of the day while he figured it out my paycheck. I was told to think about whether or not I still want to work for him and let him know on Monday. My concern is that I’m going to get fired. I’m already strapped for cash and now I’m also down two days on this pay period due to being sent home. With the holiday around the corner I’m worried about my finances. Do I have a leg to stand on or did I mess up? Can he really send me home for discussing my paycheck with a coworker? | iyrte7x | iyrypbd | 1,670,089,662 | 1,670,091,874 | 3 | 4 | Also, make sure that everyone else knows that HE sent YOU home. Both that you just walked out those two days. | Write everything down that you can remember in a time stamped document, and include names of all witnesses and what portions they witnessed, who you told about it immediately after, etc. Keep this on your personal laptop, not at work. If any of this is written down in an email, forward it to yourself. Not a lawyer, but as far as I can tell there are two labor laws violations here: not paying you for hours worked (very illegal) and prohibiting you from discussing salary (unless you’re a manager; also very illegal). Report immediately to the labor board as others suggested and keep as much evidence and a paper trail of everything. Also, ask a manager gives excellent advice on how to handle this kind of stuff in a non-adversarial manner and has loads of great resources on job searching that might help. | 0 | 2,212 | 1.333333 |
zb7p3h | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | I was sent home for discussing my paycheck with a coworker. The company I work for has recently began doing payroll in house and for the last two pay periods I have been shorted on overtime and health insurance has not been deducted from my paycheck. I was paid on the first of the month and realized the issue was still occurring and asked employee A, a manager, who was doing payroll so I could talk to them because my paycheck was not correct. He directed me to employee B, who he thought might have done payroll. Turns out B had not but she directed me employee C, the owners wife, who did payroll. Perfect. I texted the person in charge of payroll to try and set up a meeting so that we could go over the issue. She said we could meet that afternoon. Perfect. As I was about to leave the office and get back to work, B asked me what was wrong with my pay and I told her about the insurance issue and that it “seemed a little shorter that usual”. B told me that they had also been shorted and we briefly discussed the inconvenience due to the coming holidays. We knew it would get resolved in no time so it wasn’t too big of a deal. Our conversation lasted about 2 minutes and I was out the door. As I opened the door the owner of the company walks in and tells me we need to talk about my paycheck. He sat down and angrily asked me what was wrong. When I told him my issues he completely disregarded them and began yelling at me claiming I “attacked” multiple employees and made them feel “extremely uncomfortable” when I was inquiring about who did payroll. He told me they deducted 30 minutes per day for “mandatory lunch breaks”, and that was probably the issue so I shouldn’t worry about it. He then told me that I’m absolutely not allowed to discuss my paycheck with anybody but him. When I told him that this was never a rule at any of my previous jobs he snapped at me saying he “doesn’t give a shit about my other jobs, this is his company and his rule”. He was becoming so aggressive that I suggested recording our conversation because I felt it was becoming unprofessional, given that we’re trying to resolve a payroll error. He said “you don’t discuss your pay with other employees. Leave and go home before you really make me mad.” I asked if he was serious and he just repeated himself. So I left without saying another word. While packing up my tools, both A and B approached me asking what happened and I told them I’m was being sent home. I apologized to them for making them feel uncomfortable and they both were very confused, saying I didn’t make them feel that way at all, and that I had actually been pretty calm about the whole thing. I left. The next day we had a meeting to discuss my paycheck errors and he basically just yelled at me for 2 hours about how I was wrong for what I had done, and that I shouldn’t have “attacked” my coworkers about the issue . He reiterated heavily that I’m not allowed to discuss pay with others and he avoided my main issues with the pay until the very end of our conversation, where we finally got that resolved, although we couldn’t agree on how much he owed me due to an OT error. I was then sent home for the rest of the day while he figured it out my paycheck. I was told to think about whether or not I still want to work for him and let him know on Monday. My concern is that I’m going to get fired. I’m already strapped for cash and now I’m also down two days on this pay period due to being sent home. With the holiday around the corner I’m worried about my finances. Do I have a leg to stand on or did I mess up? Can he really send me home for discussing my paycheck with a coworker? | iyry4pw | iyrypbd | 1,670,091,634 | 1,670,091,874 | 3 | 4 | Call the NLRB. | Write everything down that you can remember in a time stamped document, and include names of all witnesses and what portions they witnessed, who you told about it immediately after, etc. Keep this on your personal laptop, not at work. If any of this is written down in an email, forward it to yourself. Not a lawyer, but as far as I can tell there are two labor laws violations here: not paying you for hours worked (very illegal) and prohibiting you from discussing salary (unless you’re a manager; also very illegal). Report immediately to the labor board as others suggested and keep as much evidence and a paper trail of everything. Also, ask a manager gives excellent advice on how to handle this kind of stuff in a non-adversarial manner and has loads of great resources on job searching that might help. | 0 | 240 | 1.333333 |
x4gn2j | legaladvice_train | 0.88 | My boss fired me as soon as I brought up Him stealing our wages. It was basically the end of my shift and i was slightly argumentative about a menial task that was supposed to happen. There was some slight bickering back and forth and then I brought up that he was stealing from us and he told me that I can't do that and that I need to leave. It's Minnesota so technically he can fire me for any reason he wants almost. But there has to be something illegal about that and if so what do I do? I'm sorry if this isn't the place for this but I feel like I can win a case here. | imvddk9 | imva5zz | 1,662,166,972 | 1,662,165,414 | 280 | 18 | You file for unemployment. If you can prove that he owes you wages, file a wage claim with the state. | Did you keep records of everything? Dates and times worked and not paid? | 1 | 1,558 | 15.555556 |
x4gn2j | legaladvice_train | 0.88 | My boss fired me as soon as I brought up Him stealing our wages. It was basically the end of my shift and i was slightly argumentative about a menial task that was supposed to happen. There was some slight bickering back and forth and then I brought up that he was stealing from us and he told me that I can't do that and that I need to leave. It's Minnesota so technically he can fire me for any reason he wants almost. But there has to be something illegal about that and if so what do I do? I'm sorry if this isn't the place for this but I feel like I can win a case here. | imva5zz | imvjeaz | 1,662,165,414 | 1,662,169,899 | 18 | 88 | Did you keep records of everything? Dates and times worked and not paid? | >then I brought up that he was stealing from us and he told me that I can't do that and that I need to leave. What words did you use more or less exactly? How was he stealing from you? You may have a claim for wrongful termination depending on the specific facts of what you said to him. It's illegal in Minnesota for an employer for fire an employee in retaliation for reporting a violation of law to the employer. https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/181.932 *Subdivision 1.Prohibited action. An employer shall not discharge, discipline, threaten, otherwise discriminate against, or penalize an employee regarding the employee's compensation, terms, conditions, location, or privileges of employment because:* *(1) the employee, or a person acting on behalf of an employee, in good faith, reports a violation, suspected violation, or planned violation of any federal or state law or common law or rule adopted pursuant to law to an employer or to any governmental body or law enforcement official;* | 0 | 4,485 | 4.888889 |
x4gn2j | legaladvice_train | 0.88 | My boss fired me as soon as I brought up Him stealing our wages. It was basically the end of my shift and i was slightly argumentative about a menial task that was supposed to happen. There was some slight bickering back and forth and then I brought up that he was stealing from us and he told me that I can't do that and that I need to leave. It's Minnesota so technically he can fire me for any reason he wants almost. But there has to be something illegal about that and if so what do I do? I'm sorry if this isn't the place for this but I feel like I can win a case here. | imy1n4d | imx3hr2 | 1,662,223,569 | 1,662,208,382 | 8 | 5 | What do you mean by "stealing our wages"? | MN residence (worked in HR) report to the MN Department of Labor, file a wage claim woth them. You also need to bring up the firing and if ypu can prove it, it could be retaliation for the wage complaint and they could get in serious trouble for it. | 1 | 15,187 | 1.6 |
wp873e | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Cousin is threatening to challenge my parents will when they die. Ok so My Parents both still alive and well and hopefully for awhile are fairly well off and recently wrote up there wills having just reached retirement age. They left everything to me there only remaining living son, my brother died in 2012. Well we hear from the grapevine of gossip from multiple sources that my Moms sisters daughter has been talking allot about how shes gonna get everything they have. That she plans on if my Dad dies challenging the will in court with the claim that my mom is incompetent and she should be put in control of the inheritance. Same if they both die and i end up with it. She thinks she can easily get me or mom declared incompetent and get the money and house. While i doubt she could do any of this because there’s literally nothing showing either of us as incompetent beyond her bullshit. I still want to be prepared for the battle to come. Any advice? | ikfcrq1 | ikfl524 | 1,660,593,779 | 1,660,596,952 | 70 | 81 | Sounds like your mother needs an in terrorem clause in her will (if allowed by state law, most do) | Not an attorney, but when I did my will/trust, my attorney specified something like "no funds are to go to xxxx" (my granddaughter's biological father). This was in Ohio. | 0 | 3,173 | 1.157143 |
wp873e | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Cousin is threatening to challenge my parents will when they die. Ok so My Parents both still alive and well and hopefully for awhile are fairly well off and recently wrote up there wills having just reached retirement age. They left everything to me there only remaining living son, my brother died in 2012. Well we hear from the grapevine of gossip from multiple sources that my Moms sisters daughter has been talking allot about how shes gonna get everything they have. That she plans on if my Dad dies challenging the will in court with the claim that my mom is incompetent and she should be put in control of the inheritance. Same if they both die and i end up with it. She thinks she can easily get me or mom declared incompetent and get the money and house. While i doubt she could do any of this because there’s literally nothing showing either of us as incompetent beyond her bullshit. I still want to be prepared for the battle to come. Any advice? | ikfz9hm | ikg9qik | 1,660,602,640 | 1,660,607,200 | 18 | 25 | If nothing else, start to document this. If it ever comes to it, there would be a trail indicating she was thinking in her own benefit long time prior. You could start with a log "on day X, time, so and so said that cousin blah blah", maybe even take a photocopy ,sign it and mail it to yourself certified and then keep the enevelope closed. Point is, if it ever comes to it, you want to show that cousin is the least adequate person to do this. Of course, also talk to the attorney about this. | Not a lawyer. You could suggest that your parents set up a trust to hold everything they will still have full access to everything and with you as the beneficiary then when they pass. no one has the ability to challenge anything in probate court it would seamlessly pass to you. Also, do this if you think either of them is going to end up on Medicaid in a nursing home. Medicaid asset protection trusts will protect everything as long as its setup 5 years before they use Medicaid for that purpose. any way you looks at this you should probably have them setup a consult with a estate atty | 0 | 4,560 | 1.388889 |
wp873e | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Cousin is threatening to challenge my parents will when they die. Ok so My Parents both still alive and well and hopefully for awhile are fairly well off and recently wrote up there wills having just reached retirement age. They left everything to me there only remaining living son, my brother died in 2012. Well we hear from the grapevine of gossip from multiple sources that my Moms sisters daughter has been talking allot about how shes gonna get everything they have. That she plans on if my Dad dies challenging the will in court with the claim that my mom is incompetent and she should be put in control of the inheritance. Same if they both die and i end up with it. She thinks she can easily get me or mom declared incompetent and get the money and house. While i doubt she could do any of this because there’s literally nothing showing either of us as incompetent beyond her bullshit. I still want to be prepared for the battle to come. Any advice? | ikg75qc | ikg9qik | 1,660,606,056 | 1,660,607,200 | 18 | 25 | Not a lawyer, but currently dealing with the probate of my mother's estate. I'm speaking from the POV of a U.S. citizen, so please disregard if you are not in the U.S. Your cousin is not a blood relative to your dad, so it would do her very little good to protest his will. If your dad outlives your mom, she won't have a leg to stand on. If your mom outlives your dad and your aunt is still living, your cousin has no claim as an heir. As others have said, your parents need to specifically name her in their wills as someone who shall inherit none of their estate. The will should be notarized, and witnessed by non-interested parties (nobody who would be mentioned in the will). | Not a lawyer. You could suggest that your parents set up a trust to hold everything they will still have full access to everything and with you as the beneficiary then when they pass. no one has the ability to challenge anything in probate court it would seamlessly pass to you. Also, do this if you think either of them is going to end up on Medicaid in a nursing home. Medicaid asset protection trusts will protect everything as long as its setup 5 years before they use Medicaid for that purpose. any way you looks at this you should probably have them setup a consult with a estate atty | 0 | 1,144 | 1.388889 |
wp873e | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Cousin is threatening to challenge my parents will when they die. Ok so My Parents both still alive and well and hopefully for awhile are fairly well off and recently wrote up there wills having just reached retirement age. They left everything to me there only remaining living son, my brother died in 2012. Well we hear from the grapevine of gossip from multiple sources that my Moms sisters daughter has been talking allot about how shes gonna get everything they have. That she plans on if my Dad dies challenging the will in court with the claim that my mom is incompetent and she should be put in control of the inheritance. Same if they both die and i end up with it. She thinks she can easily get me or mom declared incompetent and get the money and house. While i doubt she could do any of this because there’s literally nothing showing either of us as incompetent beyond her bullshit. I still want to be prepared for the battle to come. Any advice? | ikg9qik | ikg34ae | 1,660,607,200 | 1,660,604,292 | 25 | 12 | Not a lawyer. You could suggest that your parents set up a trust to hold everything they will still have full access to everything and with you as the beneficiary then when they pass. no one has the ability to challenge anything in probate court it would seamlessly pass to you. Also, do this if you think either of them is going to end up on Medicaid in a nursing home. Medicaid asset protection trusts will protect everything as long as its setup 5 years before they use Medicaid for that purpose. any way you looks at this you should probably have them setup a consult with a estate atty | Ask her to share whatever she is smoking | 1 | 2,908 | 2.083333 |
wp873e | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Cousin is threatening to challenge my parents will when they die. Ok so My Parents both still alive and well and hopefully for awhile are fairly well off and recently wrote up there wills having just reached retirement age. They left everything to me there only remaining living son, my brother died in 2012. Well we hear from the grapevine of gossip from multiple sources that my Moms sisters daughter has been talking allot about how shes gonna get everything they have. That she plans on if my Dad dies challenging the will in court with the claim that my mom is incompetent and she should be put in control of the inheritance. Same if they both die and i end up with it. She thinks she can easily get me or mom declared incompetent and get the money and house. While i doubt she could do any of this because there’s literally nothing showing either of us as incompetent beyond her bullshit. I still want to be prepared for the battle to come. Any advice? | ikg75qc | ikg34ae | 1,660,606,056 | 1,660,604,292 | 18 | 12 | Not a lawyer, but currently dealing with the probate of my mother's estate. I'm speaking from the POV of a U.S. citizen, so please disregard if you are not in the U.S. Your cousin is not a blood relative to your dad, so it would do her very little good to protest his will. If your dad outlives your mom, she won't have a leg to stand on. If your mom outlives your dad and your aunt is still living, your cousin has no claim as an heir. As others have said, your parents need to specifically name her in their wills as someone who shall inherit none of their estate. The will should be notarized, and witnessed by non-interested parties (nobody who would be mentioned in the will). | Ask her to share whatever she is smoking | 1 | 1,764 | 1.5 |
wp873e | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Cousin is threatening to challenge my parents will when they die. Ok so My Parents both still alive and well and hopefully for awhile are fairly well off and recently wrote up there wills having just reached retirement age. They left everything to me there only remaining living son, my brother died in 2012. Well we hear from the grapevine of gossip from multiple sources that my Moms sisters daughter has been talking allot about how shes gonna get everything they have. That she plans on if my Dad dies challenging the will in court with the claim that my mom is incompetent and she should be put in control of the inheritance. Same if they both die and i end up with it. She thinks she can easily get me or mom declared incompetent and get the money and house. While i doubt she could do any of this because there’s literally nothing showing either of us as incompetent beyond her bullshit. I still want to be prepared for the battle to come. Any advice? | ikgns6w | ikgi9y8 | 1,660,613,357 | 1,660,610,975 | 12 | 6 | There is a lot of irrelevant, bad advice in this thread. I practice in this area, in a different country. I am not your lawyer, and none of this establishes a relationship of any kind. 1) It's probably just hot air. This isn't really how Wills work - even if they got the will set aside, it would mean that your parent(s) died intestate (assuming no earlier Will that names them). In most jurisdictions I'm familiar with, this would mean that all of the assets would go to the first surviving child - more distant relatives get nothing. 2) An *in terrorem* clause (a 'no contest') clause might be helpful if they have something to lose - eg. current Will gives them $10k, which they lose if they contest the Will. If they're not named beneficiaries, however, it does nothing. **3) If your parents believe that there might actually be some basis to worry about this:** a) Capacity Assessments: They could get their capacity assessed by a psychiatrist, who would say that they have the requisite level of capacity to execute a Will and name beneficiaries. b) Joint Accounts/Designated Beneficiaries: Depending on your jurisdiction, it may be possible for them to name a beneficiary, which allows the assets to bypass the Estate (and therefore the Will) on death. Usually just houses, investment/retirement accounts. Again, depends where you live. c) Will Clause: They can add in '*I am only leaving $1 to Carol, because of how unkindly she has behaved to me in life. I have left this nominal sum such that she cannot raise a claim upon my death that she was omitted from my Will*.' d) Letter from Counsel: Your folks could pay a lawyer to write a letter (and retain a copy) to Aunt Carol saying 'I have been told your family is saying XYZ, let this be a formal record during my lifetime that this is not my intent, and my Will(s) will reflect this always.' **TL;DR: You probably don't need to worry, but if your parents feel concerned, they have options to get in front of this.** | > That she plans on if my Dad dies challenging the will in court with the claim that my mom is incompetent and she should be put in control of the inheritance. In addition to the other advice here, your mom should get a durable power of attorney. That way, even if mom (or dad) is declared legally incompetent, the PoA would take over, not just a random relative. And honestly, I’m not sure your mother’s niece would have standing to challenge the will. Anyway, Mom & Dad should talk to an estate lawyer and bring up their concerns with him. It is a worthwhile expense to get this all resolved ahead of time. | 1 | 2,382 | 2 |
wp873e | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Cousin is threatening to challenge my parents will when they die. Ok so My Parents both still alive and well and hopefully for awhile are fairly well off and recently wrote up there wills having just reached retirement age. They left everything to me there only remaining living son, my brother died in 2012. Well we hear from the grapevine of gossip from multiple sources that my Moms sisters daughter has been talking allot about how shes gonna get everything they have. That she plans on if my Dad dies challenging the will in court with the claim that my mom is incompetent and she should be put in control of the inheritance. Same if they both die and i end up with it. She thinks she can easily get me or mom declared incompetent and get the money and house. While i doubt she could do any of this because there’s literally nothing showing either of us as incompetent beyond her bullshit. I still want to be prepared for the battle to come. Any advice? | ikgns6w | ikgnair | 1,660,613,357 | 1,660,613,145 | 12 | 2 | There is a lot of irrelevant, bad advice in this thread. I practice in this area, in a different country. I am not your lawyer, and none of this establishes a relationship of any kind. 1) It's probably just hot air. This isn't really how Wills work - even if they got the will set aside, it would mean that your parent(s) died intestate (assuming no earlier Will that names them). In most jurisdictions I'm familiar with, this would mean that all of the assets would go to the first surviving child - more distant relatives get nothing. 2) An *in terrorem* clause (a 'no contest') clause might be helpful if they have something to lose - eg. current Will gives them $10k, which they lose if they contest the Will. If they're not named beneficiaries, however, it does nothing. **3) If your parents believe that there might actually be some basis to worry about this:** a) Capacity Assessments: They could get their capacity assessed by a psychiatrist, who would say that they have the requisite level of capacity to execute a Will and name beneficiaries. b) Joint Accounts/Designated Beneficiaries: Depending on your jurisdiction, it may be possible for them to name a beneficiary, which allows the assets to bypass the Estate (and therefore the Will) on death. Usually just houses, investment/retirement accounts. Again, depends where you live. c) Will Clause: They can add in '*I am only leaving $1 to Carol, because of how unkindly she has behaved to me in life. I have left this nominal sum such that she cannot raise a claim upon my death that she was omitted from my Will*.' d) Letter from Counsel: Your folks could pay a lawyer to write a letter (and retain a copy) to Aunt Carol saying 'I have been told your family is saying XYZ, let this be a formal record during my lifetime that this is not my intent, and my Will(s) will reflect this always.' **TL;DR: You probably don't need to worry, but if your parents feel concerned, they have options to get in front of this.** | > Moms sisters daughter Cousin. The word is cousin. | 1 | 212 | 6 |
wp873e | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Cousin is threatening to challenge my parents will when they die. Ok so My Parents both still alive and well and hopefully for awhile are fairly well off and recently wrote up there wills having just reached retirement age. They left everything to me there only remaining living son, my brother died in 2012. Well we hear from the grapevine of gossip from multiple sources that my Moms sisters daughter has been talking allot about how shes gonna get everything they have. That she plans on if my Dad dies challenging the will in court with the claim that my mom is incompetent and she should be put in control of the inheritance. Same if they both die and i end up with it. She thinks she can easily get me or mom declared incompetent and get the money and house. While i doubt she could do any of this because there’s literally nothing showing either of us as incompetent beyond her bullshit. I still want to be prepared for the battle to come. Any advice? | ikgi9y8 | ikgo6z1 | 1,660,610,975 | 1,660,613,539 | 6 | 7 | > That she plans on if my Dad dies challenging the will in court with the claim that my mom is incompetent and she should be put in control of the inheritance. In addition to the other advice here, your mom should get a durable power of attorney. That way, even if mom (or dad) is declared legally incompetent, the PoA would take over, not just a random relative. And honestly, I’m not sure your mother’s niece would have standing to challenge the will. Anyway, Mom & Dad should talk to an estate lawyer and bring up their concerns with him. It is a worthwhile expense to get this all resolved ahead of time. | Trust based estate plans may be harder to challenge too. | 0 | 2,564 | 1.166667 |
wp873e | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Cousin is threatening to challenge my parents will when they die. Ok so My Parents both still alive and well and hopefully for awhile are fairly well off and recently wrote up there wills having just reached retirement age. They left everything to me there only remaining living son, my brother died in 2012. Well we hear from the grapevine of gossip from multiple sources that my Moms sisters daughter has been talking allot about how shes gonna get everything they have. That she plans on if my Dad dies challenging the will in court with the claim that my mom is incompetent and she should be put in control of the inheritance. Same if they both die and i end up with it. She thinks she can easily get me or mom declared incompetent and get the money and house. While i doubt she could do any of this because there’s literally nothing showing either of us as incompetent beyond her bullshit. I still want to be prepared for the battle to come. Any advice? | ikgo6z1 | ikgnair | 1,660,613,539 | 1,660,613,145 | 7 | 2 | Trust based estate plans may be harder to challenge too. | > Moms sisters daughter Cousin. The word is cousin. | 1 | 394 | 3.5 |
wp873e | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Cousin is threatening to challenge my parents will when they die. Ok so My Parents both still alive and well and hopefully for awhile are fairly well off and recently wrote up there wills having just reached retirement age. They left everything to me there only remaining living son, my brother died in 2012. Well we hear from the grapevine of gossip from multiple sources that my Moms sisters daughter has been talking allot about how shes gonna get everything they have. That she plans on if my Dad dies challenging the will in court with the claim that my mom is incompetent and she should be put in control of the inheritance. Same if they both die and i end up with it. She thinks she can easily get me or mom declared incompetent and get the money and house. While i doubt she could do any of this because there’s literally nothing showing either of us as incompetent beyond her bullshit. I still want to be prepared for the battle to come. Any advice? | ikgu9h1 | ikgnair | 1,660,616,193 | 1,660,613,145 | 5 | 2 | For financial situations, a beneficiary takes precedence over the conditions of a will. So, Aunt Ellen might 'will' someone some money, but if you are the beneficiary of her checking account, you get paid first. Other conditions in a will, like 'who gets the 1969 Firebird', or 'my favorite shotgun', are valid and are up to the executor to enforce. No offense, but this challenge sounds kind of crazy and its a good thing your parents are still alive so they can make their intentions known. | > Moms sisters daughter Cousin. The word is cousin. | 1 | 3,048 | 2.5 |
wp873e | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Cousin is threatening to challenge my parents will when they die. Ok so My Parents both still alive and well and hopefully for awhile are fairly well off and recently wrote up there wills having just reached retirement age. They left everything to me there only remaining living son, my brother died in 2012. Well we hear from the grapevine of gossip from multiple sources that my Moms sisters daughter has been talking allot about how shes gonna get everything they have. That she plans on if my Dad dies challenging the will in court with the claim that my mom is incompetent and she should be put in control of the inheritance. Same if they both die and i end up with it. She thinks she can easily get me or mom declared incompetent and get the money and house. While i doubt she could do any of this because there’s literally nothing showing either of us as incompetent beyond her bullshit. I still want to be prepared for the battle to come. Any advice? | ikgnair | ikhlo2b | 1,660,613,145 | 1,660,631,827 | 2 | 3 | > Moms sisters daughter Cousin. The word is cousin. | If you’re in the US have you’re parents write a letter on why they disinherited her she could still contest but the chances of her winning are few to none is what I have heard. | 0 | 18,682 | 1.5 |
wp873e | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Cousin is threatening to challenge my parents will when they die. Ok so My Parents both still alive and well and hopefully for awhile are fairly well off and recently wrote up there wills having just reached retirement age. They left everything to me there only remaining living son, my brother died in 2012. Well we hear from the grapevine of gossip from multiple sources that my Moms sisters daughter has been talking allot about how shes gonna get everything they have. That she plans on if my Dad dies challenging the will in court with the claim that my mom is incompetent and she should be put in control of the inheritance. Same if they both die and i end up with it. She thinks she can easily get me or mom declared incompetent and get the money and house. While i doubt she could do any of this because there’s literally nothing showing either of us as incompetent beyond her bullshit. I still want to be prepared for the battle to come. Any advice? | ikh5sqe | ikhlo2b | 1,660,621,709 | 1,660,631,827 | 2 | 3 | My parents are quite wealthy - they put a clause in the will with their attorney to say that should anyone contest it, they get $1.00USD and their original share becomes split between the rest. Will be a beautiful thing to see when my money hungry brother attempts it. | If you’re in the US have you’re parents write a letter on why they disinherited her she could still contest but the chances of her winning are few to none is what I have heard. | 0 | 10,118 | 1.5 |
wp873e | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Cousin is threatening to challenge my parents will when they die. Ok so My Parents both still alive and well and hopefully for awhile are fairly well off and recently wrote up there wills having just reached retirement age. They left everything to me there only remaining living son, my brother died in 2012. Well we hear from the grapevine of gossip from multiple sources that my Moms sisters daughter has been talking allot about how shes gonna get everything they have. That she plans on if my Dad dies challenging the will in court with the claim that my mom is incompetent and she should be put in control of the inheritance. Same if they both die and i end up with it. She thinks she can easily get me or mom declared incompetent and get the money and house. While i doubt she could do any of this because there’s literally nothing showing either of us as incompetent beyond her bullshit. I still want to be prepared for the battle to come. Any advice? | ikgnair | ikhuijn | 1,660,613,145 | 1,660,638,998 | 2 | 3 | > Moms sisters daughter Cousin. The word is cousin. | 😂😂😂 you are next of kin. Unless she comes up with some magical dna test she ain’t got shit | 0 | 25,853 | 1.5 |
wp873e | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Cousin is threatening to challenge my parents will when they die. Ok so My Parents both still alive and well and hopefully for awhile are fairly well off and recently wrote up there wills having just reached retirement age. They left everything to me there only remaining living son, my brother died in 2012. Well we hear from the grapevine of gossip from multiple sources that my Moms sisters daughter has been talking allot about how shes gonna get everything they have. That she plans on if my Dad dies challenging the will in court with the claim that my mom is incompetent and she should be put in control of the inheritance. Same if they both die and i end up with it. She thinks she can easily get me or mom declared incompetent and get the money and house. While i doubt she could do any of this because there’s literally nothing showing either of us as incompetent beyond her bullshit. I still want to be prepared for the battle to come. Any advice? | ikhuijn | ikh5sqe | 1,660,638,998 | 1,660,621,709 | 3 | 2 | 😂😂😂 you are next of kin. Unless she comes up with some magical dna test she ain’t got shit | My parents are quite wealthy - they put a clause in the will with their attorney to say that should anyone contest it, they get $1.00USD and their original share becomes split between the rest. Will be a beautiful thing to see when my money hungry brother attempts it. | 1 | 17,289 | 1.5 |
wp873e | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Cousin is threatening to challenge my parents will when they die. Ok so My Parents both still alive and well and hopefully for awhile are fairly well off and recently wrote up there wills having just reached retirement age. They left everything to me there only remaining living son, my brother died in 2012. Well we hear from the grapevine of gossip from multiple sources that my Moms sisters daughter has been talking allot about how shes gonna get everything they have. That she plans on if my Dad dies challenging the will in court with the claim that my mom is incompetent and she should be put in control of the inheritance. Same if they both die and i end up with it. She thinks she can easily get me or mom declared incompetent and get the money and house. While i doubt she could do any of this because there’s literally nothing showing either of us as incompetent beyond her bullshit. I still want to be prepared for the battle to come. Any advice? | ikimjeu | ikgnair | 1,660,656,799 | 1,660,613,145 | 3 | 2 | I am not a lawyer Beyond preparing to take care of your mom yourself should she become unable to do it, make sure you have a plan to secure your parents home and property when they both die. Some unscrupulous relatives will squat in the home and/or take things from the home when the immediate family is busy dealing with the death. By the time the immediate family starts paying attention, things are gone and/or you have to do an eviction on your squatter relative. | > Moms sisters daughter Cousin. The word is cousin. | 1 | 43,654 | 1.5 |
wp873e | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Cousin is threatening to challenge my parents will when they die. Ok so My Parents both still alive and well and hopefully for awhile are fairly well off and recently wrote up there wills having just reached retirement age. They left everything to me there only remaining living son, my brother died in 2012. Well we hear from the grapevine of gossip from multiple sources that my Moms sisters daughter has been talking allot about how shes gonna get everything they have. That she plans on if my Dad dies challenging the will in court with the claim that my mom is incompetent and she should be put in control of the inheritance. Same if they both die and i end up with it. She thinks she can easily get me or mom declared incompetent and get the money and house. While i doubt she could do any of this because there’s literally nothing showing either of us as incompetent beyond her bullshit. I still want to be prepared for the battle to come. Any advice? | ikimjeu | ikh5sqe | 1,660,656,799 | 1,660,621,709 | 3 | 2 | I am not a lawyer Beyond preparing to take care of your mom yourself should she become unable to do it, make sure you have a plan to secure your parents home and property when they both die. Some unscrupulous relatives will squat in the home and/or take things from the home when the immediate family is busy dealing with the death. By the time the immediate family starts paying attention, things are gone and/or you have to do an eviction on your squatter relative. | My parents are quite wealthy - they put a clause in the will with their attorney to say that should anyone contest it, they get $1.00USD and their original share becomes split between the rest. Will be a beautiful thing to see when my money hungry brother attempts it. | 1 | 35,090 | 1.5 |
wp873e | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Cousin is threatening to challenge my parents will when they die. Ok so My Parents both still alive and well and hopefully for awhile are fairly well off and recently wrote up there wills having just reached retirement age. They left everything to me there only remaining living son, my brother died in 2012. Well we hear from the grapevine of gossip from multiple sources that my Moms sisters daughter has been talking allot about how shes gonna get everything they have. That she plans on if my Dad dies challenging the will in court with the claim that my mom is incompetent and she should be put in control of the inheritance. Same if they both die and i end up with it. She thinks she can easily get me or mom declared incompetent and get the money and house. While i doubt she could do any of this because there’s literally nothing showing either of us as incompetent beyond her bullshit. I still want to be prepared for the battle to come. Any advice? | ikihpu9 | ikimjeu | 1,660,654,525 | 1,660,656,799 | 2 | 3 | Oh, family just makes me cringe! My father would come back from the dead just to shut that cousin up; one does not disrespect my father or his decisions! My father passed over a decade ago. My parents set up a trust that my stepmom is in charge of and we have to wait until she passes just to know what's in the trust! Upon her passing my oldest sister is the Executor (not sure if that title is correct) but other than that....we know nothing. I think that a trust is the way to go. Just to avoid any family issues. Your cousin should not feel entitled to anything! | I am not a lawyer Beyond preparing to take care of your mom yourself should she become unable to do it, make sure you have a plan to secure your parents home and property when they both die. Some unscrupulous relatives will squat in the home and/or take things from the home when the immediate family is busy dealing with the death. By the time the immediate family starts paying attention, things are gone and/or you have to do an eviction on your squatter relative. | 0 | 2,274 | 1.5 |
sgz77q | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | My kids' dad is in jail & soon to be prison for a *long* time. His parents are threatening to get grandparents rights. I'm in Texas, they're in another state. My ex has several charges, all sexual assault related, with the worst being aggravated sexual assault of a child. Our 10 year old being his victim. Originally I had no issue with his family being in the kids' lives, but they have done some very suspicious things. For example, their son asked his parents to take his laptop so they could "pay his bills." They did take the laptop back to their home state after a visit to Texas despite being made aware the police were going to be seizing his computers. When I questioned them on taking it, they gaslit me claiming I didn't know what I was talking about, but eventually confessed to taking it. Due to this, I decided it was in my kids' best interest to cut off contact with them. I explained my reasoning to them yesterday. I received a text back stating "if necessary, they would get Texas grandparents rights." They have seen these kids once a year. In fact, they had to ask me how old they are last month when I spoke to them. Do they have any chance of getting rights to them? | huzm4v2 | huzfpbn | 1,643,634,674 | 1,643,630,889 | 3,346 | 1,187 | One thing you should do is report to police that they have taken one of the laptops the could potentially have evidence on it. If it does that will pretty much guarantee they don't have a chance. | Can they file? Yes. Will they win? No one can guess. If they file, hire an attorney. If it looks like they might win something, try to be sure it is supervised by yourself or someone you trust or a visitation center. Most people that threaten legal action don't do anything. Ignore them until and unless you get court documents. | 1 | 3,785 | 2.818871 |
sgz77q | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | My kids' dad is in jail & soon to be prison for a *long* time. His parents are threatening to get grandparents rights. I'm in Texas, they're in another state. My ex has several charges, all sexual assault related, with the worst being aggravated sexual assault of a child. Our 10 year old being his victim. Originally I had no issue with his family being in the kids' lives, but they have done some very suspicious things. For example, their son asked his parents to take his laptop so they could "pay his bills." They did take the laptop back to their home state after a visit to Texas despite being made aware the police were going to be seizing his computers. When I questioned them on taking it, they gaslit me claiming I didn't know what I was talking about, but eventually confessed to taking it. Due to this, I decided it was in my kids' best interest to cut off contact with them. I explained my reasoning to them yesterday. I received a text back stating "if necessary, they would get Texas grandparents rights." They have seen these kids once a year. In fact, they had to ask me how old they are last month when I spoke to them. Do they have any chance of getting rights to them? | huzm4v2 | huzekr2 | 1,643,634,674 | 1,643,630,130 | 3,346 | 263 | One thing you should do is report to police that they have taken one of the laptops the could potentially have evidence on it. If it does that will pretty much guarantee they don't have a chance. | TX does list the parent being incarcerated as one of the circumstances that can trigger court-ordered visitation. It's no sure thing, but it won't be thrown out on it's face. | 1 | 4,544 | 12.722433 |
sgz77q | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | My kids' dad is in jail & soon to be prison for a *long* time. His parents are threatening to get grandparents rights. I'm in Texas, they're in another state. My ex has several charges, all sexual assault related, with the worst being aggravated sexual assault of a child. Our 10 year old being his victim. Originally I had no issue with his family being in the kids' lives, but they have done some very suspicious things. For example, their son asked his parents to take his laptop so they could "pay his bills." They did take the laptop back to their home state after a visit to Texas despite being made aware the police were going to be seizing his computers. When I questioned them on taking it, they gaslit me claiming I didn't know what I was talking about, but eventually confessed to taking it. Due to this, I decided it was in my kids' best interest to cut off contact with them. I explained my reasoning to them yesterday. I received a text back stating "if necessary, they would get Texas grandparents rights." They have seen these kids once a year. In fact, they had to ask me how old they are last month when I spoke to them. Do they have any chance of getting rights to them? | huzh4j8 | huzm4v2 | 1,643,631,797 | 1,643,634,674 | 225 | 3,346 | The biggest thing (besides me not being a lawyer) would be what was in the children's best interest - as far as the court is concerned. So for instance. If the children were seeing the grandparents regularly and had a positive relationship with said grandparents then that is taken into consideration. If the grandparent have seen them a handful of times and the kids don't know these people then the same is usually taken into consideration. If you don't want them to have a relationship with the kids then you'll need to start building a case against them in regards to why it's not in the children's best interest. For instance if the grandparents knew about the abuse and covered it up this would not be in the children's best interest to force visitation. Keep any evidence of them knowingly trying to hamper the investigation into the father's acts (i.e. removing the computer knowing it was subject to seizure). Now with that said if the grandparents are in another state, comes the while issue of you shipping these kids to a state in which they are not from for visiting. Usually these laws are where the child(ren) are seeing a grandparent (s) on a regular basis and have an existing relationship with the grandparent and the law is for the child(ren) not the grandparents. Adults usually then manipulate said laws for the benefits and use the children as pawns which is exactly what these laws were hoping to avoid in the first place. Do the grandparents often visit the kids in Texas - that would be the first prong in figuring out if Texas should be granting them visitation. Edit: re-read your post and see they visit once a year. It will be a rough sell to a judge to force visitation to a person in which they have less of a relationship with than a neighbor. Hopefully they texted the question on how old they were because that's proof that they don't have the children's best interest at heart. | One thing you should do is report to police that they have taken one of the laptops the could potentially have evidence on it. If it does that will pretty much guarantee they don't have a chance. | 0 | 2,877 | 14.871111 |
sgz77q | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | My kids' dad is in jail & soon to be prison for a *long* time. His parents are threatening to get grandparents rights. I'm in Texas, they're in another state. My ex has several charges, all sexual assault related, with the worst being aggravated sexual assault of a child. Our 10 year old being his victim. Originally I had no issue with his family being in the kids' lives, but they have done some very suspicious things. For example, their son asked his parents to take his laptop so they could "pay his bills." They did take the laptop back to their home state after a visit to Texas despite being made aware the police were going to be seizing his computers. When I questioned them on taking it, they gaslit me claiming I didn't know what I was talking about, but eventually confessed to taking it. Due to this, I decided it was in my kids' best interest to cut off contact with them. I explained my reasoning to them yesterday. I received a text back stating "if necessary, they would get Texas grandparents rights." They have seen these kids once a year. In fact, they had to ask me how old they are last month when I spoke to them. Do they have any chance of getting rights to them? | huzm4v2 | huzej1b | 1,643,634,674 | 1,643,630,099 | 3,346 | 189 | One thing you should do is report to police that they have taken one of the laptops the could potentially have evidence on it. If it does that will pretty much guarantee they don't have a chance. | No. I would highly suggest you get sole and legal custody of your children even if your ex is in prison. I would completely cut his family off at this point. Feel for you guys. | 1 | 4,575 | 17.703704 |
sgz77q | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | My kids' dad is in jail & soon to be prison for a *long* time. His parents are threatening to get grandparents rights. I'm in Texas, they're in another state. My ex has several charges, all sexual assault related, with the worst being aggravated sexual assault of a child. Our 10 year old being his victim. Originally I had no issue with his family being in the kids' lives, but they have done some very suspicious things. For example, their son asked his parents to take his laptop so they could "pay his bills." They did take the laptop back to their home state after a visit to Texas despite being made aware the police were going to be seizing his computers. When I questioned them on taking it, they gaslit me claiming I didn't know what I was talking about, but eventually confessed to taking it. Due to this, I decided it was in my kids' best interest to cut off contact with them. I explained my reasoning to them yesterday. I received a text back stating "if necessary, they would get Texas grandparents rights." They have seen these kids once a year. In fact, they had to ask me how old they are last month when I spoke to them. Do they have any chance of getting rights to them? | huzfpbn | huzekr2 | 1,643,630,889 | 1,643,630,130 | 1,187 | 263 | Can they file? Yes. Will they win? No one can guess. If they file, hire an attorney. If it looks like they might win something, try to be sure it is supervised by yourself or someone you trust or a visitation center. Most people that threaten legal action don't do anything. Ignore them until and unless you get court documents. | TX does list the parent being incarcerated as one of the circumstances that can trigger court-ordered visitation. It's no sure thing, but it won't be thrown out on it's face. | 1 | 759 | 4.513308 |
sgz77q | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | My kids' dad is in jail & soon to be prison for a *long* time. His parents are threatening to get grandparents rights. I'm in Texas, they're in another state. My ex has several charges, all sexual assault related, with the worst being aggravated sexual assault of a child. Our 10 year old being his victim. Originally I had no issue with his family being in the kids' lives, but they have done some very suspicious things. For example, their son asked his parents to take his laptop so they could "pay his bills." They did take the laptop back to their home state after a visit to Texas despite being made aware the police were going to be seizing his computers. When I questioned them on taking it, they gaslit me claiming I didn't know what I was talking about, but eventually confessed to taking it. Due to this, I decided it was in my kids' best interest to cut off contact with them. I explained my reasoning to them yesterday. I received a text back stating "if necessary, they would get Texas grandparents rights." They have seen these kids once a year. In fact, they had to ask me how old they are last month when I spoke to them. Do they have any chance of getting rights to them? | huzej1b | huzfpbn | 1,643,630,099 | 1,643,630,889 | 189 | 1,187 | No. I would highly suggest you get sole and legal custody of your children even if your ex is in prison. I would completely cut his family off at this point. Feel for you guys. | Can they file? Yes. Will they win? No one can guess. If they file, hire an attorney. If it looks like they might win something, try to be sure it is supervised by yourself or someone you trust or a visitation center. Most people that threaten legal action don't do anything. Ignore them until and unless you get court documents. | 0 | 790 | 6.280423 |
sgz77q | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | My kids' dad is in jail & soon to be prison for a *long* time. His parents are threatening to get grandparents rights. I'm in Texas, they're in another state. My ex has several charges, all sexual assault related, with the worst being aggravated sexual assault of a child. Our 10 year old being his victim. Originally I had no issue with his family being in the kids' lives, but they have done some very suspicious things. For example, their son asked his parents to take his laptop so they could "pay his bills." They did take the laptop back to their home state after a visit to Texas despite being made aware the police were going to be seizing his computers. When I questioned them on taking it, they gaslit me claiming I didn't know what I was talking about, but eventually confessed to taking it. Due to this, I decided it was in my kids' best interest to cut off contact with them. I explained my reasoning to them yesterday. I received a text back stating "if necessary, they would get Texas grandparents rights." They have seen these kids once a year. In fact, they had to ask me how old they are last month when I spoke to them. Do they have any chance of getting rights to them? | hv0scml | huzekr2 | 1,643,651,998 | 1,643,630,130 | 326 | 263 | I would really pursue the FBI contact about the laptop going across state lines. If they are willing to commit a Federal offense by tampering with evidence in a child sex crime investigation then you REALLY don't want them getting any sort of visitation granted at all. They should be investigated and charged. If you have their admitting to doing it in an email or text, back it up offline and give it to the FBI. | TX does list the parent being incarcerated as one of the circumstances that can trigger court-ordered visitation. It's no sure thing, but it won't be thrown out on it's face. | 1 | 21,868 | 1.239544 |
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