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znpcog | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | [California] I got ghosted by my job on the day I was supposed to receive my first payment. I recently started a job at a company and was doing my month of probation, which was a simple job of receiving packages at home checking to make sure they're intact, with photos to show, the print the label when they send it to to then send the package to the next person in the process. I'm not really able to get out of the house much do to back pains so this kind of thing where I just need send the packages from the nearest postal business just two block away from my home was nice. It started with a base monthly pay of $2,400 and could add up to $900 extra with the bonus of enough packages delivered at $40 each sent and $75 for a few. I had gotten my bonus up to $450 with the packages I had delivered for the month. ​ It had all been going smoothly without much problems (lost packages) up until the 14th when I was supposed to be paid. When I got up that day and logged onto the work account I had I couldn't login and no one responded to my calls or messages. Nor was the money sent to the bank account I had given the direct deposit I had given. ​ I'm not sure exactly what steps I need to take to be able to at least get the money I signed a contract to be paid for. Any help accepted, thanks. | j0icu2v | j0id6os | 1,671,225,994 | 1,671,226,141 | 34 | 109 | File a wage claim with the DLSE. But this sounds like a scam job, not an actual job, a reshipping scam. If the police contact you, do not answer any questions. | This is a scam | 0 | 147 | 3.205882 |
znpcog | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | [California] I got ghosted by my job on the day I was supposed to receive my first payment. I recently started a job at a company and was doing my month of probation, which was a simple job of receiving packages at home checking to make sure they're intact, with photos to show, the print the label when they send it to to then send the package to the next person in the process. I'm not really able to get out of the house much do to back pains so this kind of thing where I just need send the packages from the nearest postal business just two block away from my home was nice. It started with a base monthly pay of $2,400 and could add up to $900 extra with the bonus of enough packages delivered at $40 each sent and $75 for a few. I had gotten my bonus up to $450 with the packages I had delivered for the month. ​ It had all been going smoothly without much problems (lost packages) up until the 14th when I was supposed to be paid. When I got up that day and logged onto the work account I had I couldn't login and no one responded to my calls or messages. Nor was the money sent to the bank account I had given the direct deposit I had given. ​ I'm not sure exactly what steps I need to take to be able to at least get the money I signed a contract to be paid for. Any help accepted, thanks. | j0jsbc0 | j0kc0mv | 1,671,250,751 | 1,671,264,361 | 64 | 108 | This is a scam and most likely packages purchased through fraudulent means (stolen). Your address used to create distance with scammer. | For future reference, anything that’s too good to be true is a scam. No such thing as working from home, get paid easy $2000-$5000 a week or whatever. Stick to this and you’re less likely to get scammed. | 0 | 13,610 | 1.6875 |
znpcog | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | [California] I got ghosted by my job on the day I was supposed to receive my first payment. I recently started a job at a company and was doing my month of probation, which was a simple job of receiving packages at home checking to make sure they're intact, with photos to show, the print the label when they send it to to then send the package to the next person in the process. I'm not really able to get out of the house much do to back pains so this kind of thing where I just need send the packages from the nearest postal business just two block away from my home was nice. It started with a base monthly pay of $2,400 and could add up to $900 extra with the bonus of enough packages delivered at $40 each sent and $75 for a few. I had gotten my bonus up to $450 with the packages I had delivered for the month. ​ It had all been going smoothly without much problems (lost packages) up until the 14th when I was supposed to be paid. When I got up that day and logged onto the work account I had I couldn't login and no one responded to my calls or messages. Nor was the money sent to the bank account I had given the direct deposit I had given. ​ I'm not sure exactly what steps I need to take to be able to at least get the money I signed a contract to be paid for. Any help accepted, thanks. | j0kc0mv | j0jwvsi | 1,671,264,361 | 1,671,253,468 | 108 | 50 | For future reference, anything that’s too good to be true is a scam. No such thing as working from home, get paid easy $2000-$5000 a week or whatever. Stick to this and you’re less likely to get scammed. | Since they have your bank routing and account numbers, maybe a call to your bank would be prudent. Perhaps even move everything to a new account. Good luck. Sorry people can be such $h!ts! | 1 | 10,893 | 2.16 |
znpcog | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | [California] I got ghosted by my job on the day I was supposed to receive my first payment. I recently started a job at a company and was doing my month of probation, which was a simple job of receiving packages at home checking to make sure they're intact, with photos to show, the print the label when they send it to to then send the package to the next person in the process. I'm not really able to get out of the house much do to back pains so this kind of thing where I just need send the packages from the nearest postal business just two block away from my home was nice. It started with a base monthly pay of $2,400 and could add up to $900 extra with the bonus of enough packages delivered at $40 each sent and $75 for a few. I had gotten my bonus up to $450 with the packages I had delivered for the month. ​ It had all been going smoothly without much problems (lost packages) up until the 14th when I was supposed to be paid. When I got up that day and logged onto the work account I had I couldn't login and no one responded to my calls or messages. Nor was the money sent to the bank account I had given the direct deposit I had given. ​ I'm not sure exactly what steps I need to take to be able to at least get the money I signed a contract to be paid for. Any help accepted, thanks. | j0kc0mv | j0icu2v | 1,671,264,361 | 1,671,225,994 | 108 | 34 | For future reference, anything that’s too good to be true is a scam. No such thing as working from home, get paid easy $2000-$5000 a week or whatever. Stick to this and you’re less likely to get scammed. | File a wage claim with the DLSE. But this sounds like a scam job, not an actual job, a reshipping scam. If the police contact you, do not answer any questions. | 1 | 38,367 | 3.176471 |
znpcog | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | [California] I got ghosted by my job on the day I was supposed to receive my first payment. I recently started a job at a company and was doing my month of probation, which was a simple job of receiving packages at home checking to make sure they're intact, with photos to show, the print the label when they send it to to then send the package to the next person in the process. I'm not really able to get out of the house much do to back pains so this kind of thing where I just need send the packages from the nearest postal business just two block away from my home was nice. It started with a base monthly pay of $2,400 and could add up to $900 extra with the bonus of enough packages delivered at $40 each sent and $75 for a few. I had gotten my bonus up to $450 with the packages I had delivered for the month. ​ It had all been going smoothly without much problems (lost packages) up until the 14th when I was supposed to be paid. When I got up that day and logged onto the work account I had I couldn't login and no one responded to my calls or messages. Nor was the money sent to the bank account I had given the direct deposit I had given. ​ I'm not sure exactly what steps I need to take to be able to at least get the money I signed a contract to be paid for. Any help accepted, thanks. | j0k2q1b | j0kc0mv | 1,671,257,315 | 1,671,264,361 | 32 | 108 | Don't talk to the police. Your attorney can handle this very well, especially since it was a scam. **Nothing you tell the police will save you.** | For future reference, anything that’s too good to be true is a scam. No such thing as working from home, get paid easy $2000-$5000 a week or whatever. Stick to this and you’re less likely to get scammed. | 0 | 7,046 | 3.375 |
znpcog | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | [California] I got ghosted by my job on the day I was supposed to receive my first payment. I recently started a job at a company and was doing my month of probation, which was a simple job of receiving packages at home checking to make sure they're intact, with photos to show, the print the label when they send it to to then send the package to the next person in the process. I'm not really able to get out of the house much do to back pains so this kind of thing where I just need send the packages from the nearest postal business just two block away from my home was nice. It started with a base monthly pay of $2,400 and could add up to $900 extra with the bonus of enough packages delivered at $40 each sent and $75 for a few. I had gotten my bonus up to $450 with the packages I had delivered for the month. ​ It had all been going smoothly without much problems (lost packages) up until the 14th when I was supposed to be paid. When I got up that day and logged onto the work account I had I couldn't login and no one responded to my calls or messages. Nor was the money sent to the bank account I had given the direct deposit I had given. ​ I'm not sure exactly what steps I need to take to be able to at least get the money I signed a contract to be paid for. Any help accepted, thanks. | j0kc0mv | j0jqoba | 1,671,264,361 | 1,671,249,828 | 108 | 20 | For future reference, anything that’s too good to be true is a scam. No such thing as working from home, get paid easy $2000-$5000 a week or whatever. Stick to this and you’re less likely to get scammed. | Seconding many others who believe that this is a scam. In my experience, it often comes with some form of check fraud, where they will send you a larger-than-expected 'bad' check, and ask you to write a 'good' check back to them. Of course, you deposit the 'bad' check, it doesn't clear, and you have lost the 'good' check. | 1 | 14,533 | 5.4 |
znpcog | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | [California] I got ghosted by my job on the day I was supposed to receive my first payment. I recently started a job at a company and was doing my month of probation, which was a simple job of receiving packages at home checking to make sure they're intact, with photos to show, the print the label when they send it to to then send the package to the next person in the process. I'm not really able to get out of the house much do to back pains so this kind of thing where I just need send the packages from the nearest postal business just two block away from my home was nice. It started with a base monthly pay of $2,400 and could add up to $900 extra with the bonus of enough packages delivered at $40 each sent and $75 for a few. I had gotten my bonus up to $450 with the packages I had delivered for the month. ​ It had all been going smoothly without much problems (lost packages) up until the 14th when I was supposed to be paid. When I got up that day and logged onto the work account I had I couldn't login and no one responded to my calls or messages. Nor was the money sent to the bank account I had given the direct deposit I had given. ​ I'm not sure exactly what steps I need to take to be able to at least get the money I signed a contract to be paid for. Any help accepted, thanks. | j0icu2v | j0jsbc0 | 1,671,225,994 | 1,671,250,751 | 34 | 64 | File a wage claim with the DLSE. But this sounds like a scam job, not an actual job, a reshipping scam. If the police contact you, do not answer any questions. | This is a scam and most likely packages purchased through fraudulent means (stolen). Your address used to create distance with scammer. | 0 | 24,757 | 1.882353 |
znpcog | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | [California] I got ghosted by my job on the day I was supposed to receive my first payment. I recently started a job at a company and was doing my month of probation, which was a simple job of receiving packages at home checking to make sure they're intact, with photos to show, the print the label when they send it to to then send the package to the next person in the process. I'm not really able to get out of the house much do to back pains so this kind of thing where I just need send the packages from the nearest postal business just two block away from my home was nice. It started with a base monthly pay of $2,400 and could add up to $900 extra with the bonus of enough packages delivered at $40 each sent and $75 for a few. I had gotten my bonus up to $450 with the packages I had delivered for the month. ​ It had all been going smoothly without much problems (lost packages) up until the 14th when I was supposed to be paid. When I got up that day and logged onto the work account I had I couldn't login and no one responded to my calls or messages. Nor was the money sent to the bank account I had given the direct deposit I had given. ​ I'm not sure exactly what steps I need to take to be able to at least get the money I signed a contract to be paid for. Any help accepted, thanks. | j0jsbc0 | j0jqoba | 1,671,250,751 | 1,671,249,828 | 64 | 20 | This is a scam and most likely packages purchased through fraudulent means (stolen). Your address used to create distance with scammer. | Seconding many others who believe that this is a scam. In my experience, it often comes with some form of check fraud, where they will send you a larger-than-expected 'bad' check, and ask you to write a 'good' check back to them. Of course, you deposit the 'bad' check, it doesn't clear, and you have lost the 'good' check. | 1 | 923 | 3.2 |
znpcog | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | [California] I got ghosted by my job on the day I was supposed to receive my first payment. I recently started a job at a company and was doing my month of probation, which was a simple job of receiving packages at home checking to make sure they're intact, with photos to show, the print the label when they send it to to then send the package to the next person in the process. I'm not really able to get out of the house much do to back pains so this kind of thing where I just need send the packages from the nearest postal business just two block away from my home was nice. It started with a base monthly pay of $2,400 and could add up to $900 extra with the bonus of enough packages delivered at $40 each sent and $75 for a few. I had gotten my bonus up to $450 with the packages I had delivered for the month. ​ It had all been going smoothly without much problems (lost packages) up until the 14th when I was supposed to be paid. When I got up that day and logged onto the work account I had I couldn't login and no one responded to my calls or messages. Nor was the money sent to the bank account I had given the direct deposit I had given. ​ I'm not sure exactly what steps I need to take to be able to at least get the money I signed a contract to be paid for. Any help accepted, thanks. | j0jwvsi | j0icu2v | 1,671,253,468 | 1,671,225,994 | 50 | 34 | Since they have your bank routing and account numbers, maybe a call to your bank would be prudent. Perhaps even move everything to a new account. Good luck. Sorry people can be such $h!ts! | File a wage claim with the DLSE. But this sounds like a scam job, not an actual job, a reshipping scam. If the police contact you, do not answer any questions. | 1 | 27,474 | 1.470588 |
znpcog | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | [California] I got ghosted by my job on the day I was supposed to receive my first payment. I recently started a job at a company and was doing my month of probation, which was a simple job of receiving packages at home checking to make sure they're intact, with photos to show, the print the label when they send it to to then send the package to the next person in the process. I'm not really able to get out of the house much do to back pains so this kind of thing where I just need send the packages from the nearest postal business just two block away from my home was nice. It started with a base monthly pay of $2,400 and could add up to $900 extra with the bonus of enough packages delivered at $40 each sent and $75 for a few. I had gotten my bonus up to $450 with the packages I had delivered for the month. ​ It had all been going smoothly without much problems (lost packages) up until the 14th when I was supposed to be paid. When I got up that day and logged onto the work account I had I couldn't login and no one responded to my calls or messages. Nor was the money sent to the bank account I had given the direct deposit I had given. ​ I'm not sure exactly what steps I need to take to be able to at least get the money I signed a contract to be paid for. Any help accepted, thanks. | j0jwvsi | j0jqoba | 1,671,253,468 | 1,671,249,828 | 50 | 20 | Since they have your bank routing and account numbers, maybe a call to your bank would be prudent. Perhaps even move everything to a new account. Good luck. Sorry people can be such $h!ts! | Seconding many others who believe that this is a scam. In my experience, it often comes with some form of check fraud, where they will send you a larger-than-expected 'bad' check, and ask you to write a 'good' check back to them. Of course, you deposit the 'bad' check, it doesn't clear, and you have lost the 'good' check. | 1 | 3,640 | 2.5 |
znpcog | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | [California] I got ghosted by my job on the day I was supposed to receive my first payment. I recently started a job at a company and was doing my month of probation, which was a simple job of receiving packages at home checking to make sure they're intact, with photos to show, the print the label when they send it to to then send the package to the next person in the process. I'm not really able to get out of the house much do to back pains so this kind of thing where I just need send the packages from the nearest postal business just two block away from my home was nice. It started with a base monthly pay of $2,400 and could add up to $900 extra with the bonus of enough packages delivered at $40 each sent and $75 for a few. I had gotten my bonus up to $450 with the packages I had delivered for the month. ​ It had all been going smoothly without much problems (lost packages) up until the 14th when I was supposed to be paid. When I got up that day and logged onto the work account I had I couldn't login and no one responded to my calls or messages. Nor was the money sent to the bank account I had given the direct deposit I had given. ​ I'm not sure exactly what steps I need to take to be able to at least get the money I signed a contract to be paid for. Any help accepted, thanks. | j0l467h | j0icu2v | 1,671,285,911 | 1,671,225,994 | 50 | 34 | Package mule. Don’t be surprised if the police show up at some point. Most likely everything you shipped was purchased via fraud. | File a wage claim with the DLSE. But this sounds like a scam job, not an actual job, a reshipping scam. If the police contact you, do not answer any questions. | 1 | 59,917 | 1.470588 |
znpcog | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | [California] I got ghosted by my job on the day I was supposed to receive my first payment. I recently started a job at a company and was doing my month of probation, which was a simple job of receiving packages at home checking to make sure they're intact, with photos to show, the print the label when they send it to to then send the package to the next person in the process. I'm not really able to get out of the house much do to back pains so this kind of thing where I just need send the packages from the nearest postal business just two block away from my home was nice. It started with a base monthly pay of $2,400 and could add up to $900 extra with the bonus of enough packages delivered at $40 each sent and $75 for a few. I had gotten my bonus up to $450 with the packages I had delivered for the month. ​ It had all been going smoothly without much problems (lost packages) up until the 14th when I was supposed to be paid. When I got up that day and logged onto the work account I had I couldn't login and no one responded to my calls or messages. Nor was the money sent to the bank account I had given the direct deposit I had given. ​ I'm not sure exactly what steps I need to take to be able to at least get the money I signed a contract to be paid for. Any help accepted, thanks. | j0l467h | j0k2q1b | 1,671,285,911 | 1,671,257,315 | 50 | 32 | Package mule. Don’t be surprised if the police show up at some point. Most likely everything you shipped was purchased via fraud. | Don't talk to the police. Your attorney can handle this very well, especially since it was a scam. **Nothing you tell the police will save you.** | 1 | 28,596 | 1.5625 |
znpcog | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | [California] I got ghosted by my job on the day I was supposed to receive my first payment. I recently started a job at a company and was doing my month of probation, which was a simple job of receiving packages at home checking to make sure they're intact, with photos to show, the print the label when they send it to to then send the package to the next person in the process. I'm not really able to get out of the house much do to back pains so this kind of thing where I just need send the packages from the nearest postal business just two block away from my home was nice. It started with a base monthly pay of $2,400 and could add up to $900 extra with the bonus of enough packages delivered at $40 each sent and $75 for a few. I had gotten my bonus up to $450 with the packages I had delivered for the month. ​ It had all been going smoothly without much problems (lost packages) up until the 14th when I was supposed to be paid. When I got up that day and logged onto the work account I had I couldn't login and no one responded to my calls or messages. Nor was the money sent to the bank account I had given the direct deposit I had given. ​ I'm not sure exactly what steps I need to take to be able to at least get the money I signed a contract to be paid for. Any help accepted, thanks. | j0l467h | j0jqoba | 1,671,285,911 | 1,671,249,828 | 50 | 20 | Package mule. Don’t be surprised if the police show up at some point. Most likely everything you shipped was purchased via fraud. | Seconding many others who believe that this is a scam. In my experience, it often comes with some form of check fraud, where they will send you a larger-than-expected 'bad' check, and ask you to write a 'good' check back to them. Of course, you deposit the 'bad' check, it doesn't clear, and you have lost the 'good' check. | 1 | 36,083 | 2.5 |
znpcog | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | [California] I got ghosted by my job on the day I was supposed to receive my first payment. I recently started a job at a company and was doing my month of probation, which was a simple job of receiving packages at home checking to make sure they're intact, with photos to show, the print the label when they send it to to then send the package to the next person in the process. I'm not really able to get out of the house much do to back pains so this kind of thing where I just need send the packages from the nearest postal business just two block away from my home was nice. It started with a base monthly pay of $2,400 and could add up to $900 extra with the bonus of enough packages delivered at $40 each sent and $75 for a few. I had gotten my bonus up to $450 with the packages I had delivered for the month. ​ It had all been going smoothly without much problems (lost packages) up until the 14th when I was supposed to be paid. When I got up that day and logged onto the work account I had I couldn't login and no one responded to my calls or messages. Nor was the money sent to the bank account I had given the direct deposit I had given. ​ I'm not sure exactly what steps I need to take to be able to at least get the money I signed a contract to be paid for. Any help accepted, thanks. | j0icu2v | j0la5cp | 1,671,225,994 | 1,671,288,990 | 34 | 42 | File a wage claim with the DLSE. But this sounds like a scam job, not an actual job, a reshipping scam. If the police contact you, do not answer any questions. | Reshipping scam, if you still have any pictures you should alert the police and give them any photos, addresses, or shipping information that you can. You were unknowingly commiting a felony, you should attempt to help the investigation as much as possible in return for your potential involvement being dismissed. CONTACT A LAWYER FIRST. Edit: you should alert your bank immediately, change everything now before it's gone. | 0 | 62,996 | 1.235294 |
znpcog | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | [California] I got ghosted by my job on the day I was supposed to receive my first payment. I recently started a job at a company and was doing my month of probation, which was a simple job of receiving packages at home checking to make sure they're intact, with photos to show, the print the label when they send it to to then send the package to the next person in the process. I'm not really able to get out of the house much do to back pains so this kind of thing where I just need send the packages from the nearest postal business just two block away from my home was nice. It started with a base monthly pay of $2,400 and could add up to $900 extra with the bonus of enough packages delivered at $40 each sent and $75 for a few. I had gotten my bonus up to $450 with the packages I had delivered for the month. ​ It had all been going smoothly without much problems (lost packages) up until the 14th when I was supposed to be paid. When I got up that day and logged onto the work account I had I couldn't login and no one responded to my calls or messages. Nor was the money sent to the bank account I had given the direct deposit I had given. ​ I'm not sure exactly what steps I need to take to be able to at least get the money I signed a contract to be paid for. Any help accepted, thanks. | j0k2q1b | j0la5cp | 1,671,257,315 | 1,671,288,990 | 32 | 42 | Don't talk to the police. Your attorney can handle this very well, especially since it was a scam. **Nothing you tell the police will save you.** | Reshipping scam, if you still have any pictures you should alert the police and give them any photos, addresses, or shipping information that you can. You were unknowingly commiting a felony, you should attempt to help the investigation as much as possible in return for your potential involvement being dismissed. CONTACT A LAWYER FIRST. Edit: you should alert your bank immediately, change everything now before it's gone. | 0 | 31,675 | 1.3125 |
znpcog | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | [California] I got ghosted by my job on the day I was supposed to receive my first payment. I recently started a job at a company and was doing my month of probation, which was a simple job of receiving packages at home checking to make sure they're intact, with photos to show, the print the label when they send it to to then send the package to the next person in the process. I'm not really able to get out of the house much do to back pains so this kind of thing where I just need send the packages from the nearest postal business just two block away from my home was nice. It started with a base monthly pay of $2,400 and could add up to $900 extra with the bonus of enough packages delivered at $40 each sent and $75 for a few. I had gotten my bonus up to $450 with the packages I had delivered for the month. ​ It had all been going smoothly without much problems (lost packages) up until the 14th when I was supposed to be paid. When I got up that day and logged onto the work account I had I couldn't login and no one responded to my calls or messages. Nor was the money sent to the bank account I had given the direct deposit I had given. ​ I'm not sure exactly what steps I need to take to be able to at least get the money I signed a contract to be paid for. Any help accepted, thanks. | j0jqoba | j0la5cp | 1,671,249,828 | 1,671,288,990 | 20 | 42 | Seconding many others who believe that this is a scam. In my experience, it often comes with some form of check fraud, where they will send you a larger-than-expected 'bad' check, and ask you to write a 'good' check back to them. Of course, you deposit the 'bad' check, it doesn't clear, and you have lost the 'good' check. | Reshipping scam, if you still have any pictures you should alert the police and give them any photos, addresses, or shipping information that you can. You were unknowingly commiting a felony, you should attempt to help the investigation as much as possible in return for your potential involvement being dismissed. CONTACT A LAWYER FIRST. Edit: you should alert your bank immediately, change everything now before it's gone. | 0 | 39,162 | 2.1 |
znpcog | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | [California] I got ghosted by my job on the day I was supposed to receive my first payment. I recently started a job at a company and was doing my month of probation, which was a simple job of receiving packages at home checking to make sure they're intact, with photos to show, the print the label when they send it to to then send the package to the next person in the process. I'm not really able to get out of the house much do to back pains so this kind of thing where I just need send the packages from the nearest postal business just two block away from my home was nice. It started with a base monthly pay of $2,400 and could add up to $900 extra with the bonus of enough packages delivered at $40 each sent and $75 for a few. I had gotten my bonus up to $450 with the packages I had delivered for the month. ​ It had all been going smoothly without much problems (lost packages) up until the 14th when I was supposed to be paid. When I got up that day and logged onto the work account I had I couldn't login and no one responded to my calls or messages. Nor was the money sent to the bank account I had given the direct deposit I had given. ​ I'm not sure exactly what steps I need to take to be able to at least get the money I signed a contract to be paid for. Any help accepted, thanks. | j0jqoba | j0k2q1b | 1,671,249,828 | 1,671,257,315 | 20 | 32 | Seconding many others who believe that this is a scam. In my experience, it often comes with some form of check fraud, where they will send you a larger-than-expected 'bad' check, and ask you to write a 'good' check back to them. Of course, you deposit the 'bad' check, it doesn't clear, and you have lost the 'good' check. | Don't talk to the police. Your attorney can handle this very well, especially since it was a scam. **Nothing you tell the police will save you.** | 0 | 7,487 | 1.6 |
vcxlr0 | legaladvice_train | 0.82 | Apartment charging us rent after we had discussion of being unlivable. Been living in a hotel since beginning of June and we're being g charged for July, which my lease ends in...July. Long story short, our apartment got affected by a fire adjacent to us. Restoration company and property management says everything is fine, but a few days later, the smoke odor was so strong that my newborn baby's poop started to smell like cigarettes. We were advised by the hospital to not stay there. I told propery management what happened and they couldn't offer us a different unit because they were full capacity. And we're unable to find any other apartments in our budget due to my wife being a stay at home mom. My income isn't enough to even afford to rent or meet the income criteria. And majority of the low income/affordable housing are on a long waiting list. Fortunately, our insurance has put us in a hotel for the time being. But I just got an email from the property management that we're being charged a full month's rent for July even though we haven't been able to live in it since June due to the smoke odor. Not sure what to do. | ichss64 | icgutf0 | 1,655,322,101 | 1,655,308,257 | 4 | 2 | Location is not optional. Did you province the property management with notice that you intend to end your lease at the end of June, in the manner specified by your lease? If you didn't, it very likely converted to a month-to-month lease and that's why you owe rent for July. | Hi there! I’m the LegalFAQ bot. It looks like you may be experiencing housing issues related to housing or eviction. Come to https://legalfaq.org to find legal resources for renters in each state. You can also find links to local groups that can help you with legal, financial, or other problems at https://legalfaq.org/getHelp. Help us provide accurate advice to fellow redditors: if your post was related to housing or eviction, please like this comment; otherwise, please dislike this comment. *v0.1* | 1 | 13,844 | 2 |
vcxlr0 | legaladvice_train | 0.82 | Apartment charging us rent after we had discussion of being unlivable. Been living in a hotel since beginning of June and we're being g charged for July, which my lease ends in...July. Long story short, our apartment got affected by a fire adjacent to us. Restoration company and property management says everything is fine, but a few days later, the smoke odor was so strong that my newborn baby's poop started to smell like cigarettes. We were advised by the hospital to not stay there. I told propery management what happened and they couldn't offer us a different unit because they were full capacity. And we're unable to find any other apartments in our budget due to my wife being a stay at home mom. My income isn't enough to even afford to rent or meet the income criteria. And majority of the low income/affordable housing are on a long waiting list. Fortunately, our insurance has put us in a hotel for the time being. But I just got an email from the property management that we're being charged a full month's rent for July even though we haven't been able to live in it since June due to the smoke odor. Not sure what to do. | ichss64 | ichlj77 | 1,655,322,101 | 1,655,319,122 | 4 | 2 | Location is not optional. Did you province the property management with notice that you intend to end your lease at the end of June, in the manner specified by your lease? If you didn't, it very likely converted to a month-to-month lease and that's why you owe rent for July. | Obligatory: I’m a lawyer but not a lawyer in the housing sector, nor am I your lawyer. But what you can do to best protect yourself from being forced to pay would be to document in writing your concerns about the habitability of your apartment including a brief summary of the fire, the smell, the fact your babies poop smells like smoke, the medical advice not to live there, any and all insurance contact, and the date you began living at the hotel (with proof) and send that to yourself and your property management company explaining that you have not been and will not be living there because of health risks Further, I would open a separate bank account I believe it’s an escrow account and put the money that would be spent on rent into that account, you should indicate the creation of this account to your property management company as well. This might be enough to get them to waive your rent fee, however, don’t be surprised if they still demand payment and if they do you then you need to hire an attorney and your actions I stated above will make it easier for your attorney to get them to drop any case. | 1 | 2,979 | 2 |
n881wp | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | Neighbors house burned down, our home owners association is demanding that we take care and clean up the property by next Monday, or we are going to be fined for negligence. I was told to post this here by my son. We own a home in a HOA in New York State. We had a few problems with our HOA in the past, but this is beyond anything I have ever dealt with. About 3 weeks ago there was a fire and our neighbors house was heavily damaged by fire, i am not privy to the details of the fire, but the house was apparently written off. Last week the remains still standing were bulldozed for safety reasons. However most of the actual remains were pilled up. I was expecting them to remove it, but they have not. I don't really know what is going on with it at all. Tonight our HOA came to our house to tell us we are shirking our HOA duties as their lot is a mess. Our HOA president is arguing that both me and the other adjacent neighbor are responsible for the upkeep of any vacant dwellings. This is what they are arguing: "In the event of a unit being unoccupied with no clear owner. It is the responsibility of any adjacent units to perform any required upkeep to ensure the vacant unit is up to the community standards....(insert reference to our bylaws regarding how stuff is supposed to look)". Our HOA more or less wants us to remove all the debris, fix the lawn etc. I have so many issues with this, firstly it is not safe at all. Secondly i don't know who owns the plot now. According to our HOA the original owners took the insurance money and are moving somewhere else. So wouldn't that mean the insurance company owns the land and not us? We have until May 17th, to apparently get this done otherwise we will be fined. Am I crazy or does this seem idiotic? | gxhrav0 | gxh41rx | 1,620,564,966 | 1,620,544,398 | 1,614 | 1,319 | Pull the county record on ownership, send a letter to the HOA saying “Great news, I found the owner for you, pound sand”. | I don't see any reasonable way the property could fail to have a clear owner. Either the previous owners still own it, or they've sold or given it away, in which case the new owners are a matter of public record. Just about the only way this situation could lead to unclear ownership is if the owners _died_, and no heir could be located or the estate was not probated in a reasonable amount of time. However, it sounds like the HOA is prepared to play fast and loose with this. I can guess why - if the owners are walking away from the property, it might be years before the delinquent dues and property taxes reach a point where a forced sale is practical, during which time the lot will be an eyesore unless the HOA itself takes action to fix it up - at the expense of all of the owners. If they can pressure you and your neighbours into paying for it directly, it saves the HOA (and thus all of the other owners) money. Get together with the other neighbours affected by this nonsense and get a consult with a local lawyer. Let your lawyer advise you on how to confront the HOA, and if there is some way that the HOA is in the right, advise you on exactly what your obligations actually are. | 1 | 20,568 | 1.223654 |
n881wp | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | Neighbors house burned down, our home owners association is demanding that we take care and clean up the property by next Monday, or we are going to be fined for negligence. I was told to post this here by my son. We own a home in a HOA in New York State. We had a few problems with our HOA in the past, but this is beyond anything I have ever dealt with. About 3 weeks ago there was a fire and our neighbors house was heavily damaged by fire, i am not privy to the details of the fire, but the house was apparently written off. Last week the remains still standing were bulldozed for safety reasons. However most of the actual remains were pilled up. I was expecting them to remove it, but they have not. I don't really know what is going on with it at all. Tonight our HOA came to our house to tell us we are shirking our HOA duties as their lot is a mess. Our HOA president is arguing that both me and the other adjacent neighbor are responsible for the upkeep of any vacant dwellings. This is what they are arguing: "In the event of a unit being unoccupied with no clear owner. It is the responsibility of any adjacent units to perform any required upkeep to ensure the vacant unit is up to the community standards....(insert reference to our bylaws regarding how stuff is supposed to look)". Our HOA more or less wants us to remove all the debris, fix the lawn etc. I have so many issues with this, firstly it is not safe at all. Secondly i don't know who owns the plot now. According to our HOA the original owners took the insurance money and are moving somewhere else. So wouldn't that mean the insurance company owns the land and not us? We have until May 17th, to apparently get this done otherwise we will be fined. Am I crazy or does this seem idiotic? | gxhrav0 | gxh0smy | 1,620,564,966 | 1,620,541,596 | 1,614 | 618 | Pull the county record on ownership, send a letter to the HOA saying “Great news, I found the owner for you, pound sand”. | Real estate lawyer time. I would argue that the clause he mentions has no bearing in this case. There is a clear owner of the title and remaining structure. They are in contact with him even. | 1 | 23,370 | 2.61165 |
n881wp | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | Neighbors house burned down, our home owners association is demanding that we take care and clean up the property by next Monday, or we are going to be fined for negligence. I was told to post this here by my son. We own a home in a HOA in New York State. We had a few problems with our HOA in the past, but this is beyond anything I have ever dealt with. About 3 weeks ago there was a fire and our neighbors house was heavily damaged by fire, i am not privy to the details of the fire, but the house was apparently written off. Last week the remains still standing were bulldozed for safety reasons. However most of the actual remains were pilled up. I was expecting them to remove it, but they have not. I don't really know what is going on with it at all. Tonight our HOA came to our house to tell us we are shirking our HOA duties as their lot is a mess. Our HOA president is arguing that both me and the other adjacent neighbor are responsible for the upkeep of any vacant dwellings. This is what they are arguing: "In the event of a unit being unoccupied with no clear owner. It is the responsibility of any adjacent units to perform any required upkeep to ensure the vacant unit is up to the community standards....(insert reference to our bylaws regarding how stuff is supposed to look)". Our HOA more or less wants us to remove all the debris, fix the lawn etc. I have so many issues with this, firstly it is not safe at all. Secondly i don't know who owns the plot now. According to our HOA the original owners took the insurance money and are moving somewhere else. So wouldn't that mean the insurance company owns the land and not us? We have until May 17th, to apparently get this done otherwise we will be fined. Am I crazy or does this seem idiotic? | gxhrav0 | gxh2ew8 | 1,620,564,966 | 1,620,542,965 | 1,614 | 190 | Pull the county record on ownership, send a letter to the HOA saying “Great news, I found the owner for you, pound sand”. | [I am an attorney but I do not practice your jurisdiction. My response should not be considered at advice but offered as for its entertainment value. (recommend you contact the state bar association and find an attorney).] Someone previously mentioned you should check the terms of your HOA. I agree but would believe in the very extreme of the HOA agreement would mean things like “mow the front yard” not clean up the rumble. Also, home owners’ insurance pays for demo & cleanup after a fire. But if they are expecting for you to pay for the work, I would write a letter and send it certified to the HOA. I would say you are in the process of retaining counsel. Tell them you will happily appear at the next HOA to explain the opinion of the attorney. I would call the neighbor with the burned out house and explain they need to expedite the debris removal. Hopefully your HOA meeting is longer than the two weeks and you’ll have even more time. I would also consider preparing to sue the burned out neighbor. The insurance company would represent him and you would force them to speed things up. | 1 | 22,001 | 8.494737 |
n881wp | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | Neighbors house burned down, our home owners association is demanding that we take care and clean up the property by next Monday, or we are going to be fined for negligence. I was told to post this here by my son. We own a home in a HOA in New York State. We had a few problems with our HOA in the past, but this is beyond anything I have ever dealt with. About 3 weeks ago there was a fire and our neighbors house was heavily damaged by fire, i am not privy to the details of the fire, but the house was apparently written off. Last week the remains still standing were bulldozed for safety reasons. However most of the actual remains were pilled up. I was expecting them to remove it, but they have not. I don't really know what is going on with it at all. Tonight our HOA came to our house to tell us we are shirking our HOA duties as their lot is a mess. Our HOA president is arguing that both me and the other adjacent neighbor are responsible for the upkeep of any vacant dwellings. This is what they are arguing: "In the event of a unit being unoccupied with no clear owner. It is the responsibility of any adjacent units to perform any required upkeep to ensure the vacant unit is up to the community standards....(insert reference to our bylaws regarding how stuff is supposed to look)". Our HOA more or less wants us to remove all the debris, fix the lawn etc. I have so many issues with this, firstly it is not safe at all. Secondly i don't know who owns the plot now. According to our HOA the original owners took the insurance money and are moving somewhere else. So wouldn't that mean the insurance company owns the land and not us? We have until May 17th, to apparently get this done otherwise we will be fined. Am I crazy or does this seem idiotic? | gxh8ekv | gxhrav0 | 1,620,548,439 | 1,620,564,966 | 89 | 1,614 | lmfao no. get a lawyer and tell the HOA to speak to them. | Pull the county record on ownership, send a letter to the HOA saying “Great news, I found the owner for you, pound sand”. | 0 | 16,527 | 18.134831 |
n881wp | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | Neighbors house burned down, our home owners association is demanding that we take care and clean up the property by next Monday, or we are going to be fined for negligence. I was told to post this here by my son. We own a home in a HOA in New York State. We had a few problems with our HOA in the past, but this is beyond anything I have ever dealt with. About 3 weeks ago there was a fire and our neighbors house was heavily damaged by fire, i am not privy to the details of the fire, but the house was apparently written off. Last week the remains still standing were bulldozed for safety reasons. However most of the actual remains were pilled up. I was expecting them to remove it, but they have not. I don't really know what is going on with it at all. Tonight our HOA came to our house to tell us we are shirking our HOA duties as their lot is a mess. Our HOA president is arguing that both me and the other adjacent neighbor are responsible for the upkeep of any vacant dwellings. This is what they are arguing: "In the event of a unit being unoccupied with no clear owner. It is the responsibility of any adjacent units to perform any required upkeep to ensure the vacant unit is up to the community standards....(insert reference to our bylaws regarding how stuff is supposed to look)". Our HOA more or less wants us to remove all the debris, fix the lawn etc. I have so many issues with this, firstly it is not safe at all. Secondly i don't know who owns the plot now. According to our HOA the original owners took the insurance money and are moving somewhere else. So wouldn't that mean the insurance company owns the land and not us? We have until May 17th, to apparently get this done otherwise we will be fined. Am I crazy or does this seem idiotic? | gxh41rx | gxh0smy | 1,620,544,398 | 1,620,541,596 | 1,319 | 618 | I don't see any reasonable way the property could fail to have a clear owner. Either the previous owners still own it, or they've sold or given it away, in which case the new owners are a matter of public record. Just about the only way this situation could lead to unclear ownership is if the owners _died_, and no heir could be located or the estate was not probated in a reasonable amount of time. However, it sounds like the HOA is prepared to play fast and loose with this. I can guess why - if the owners are walking away from the property, it might be years before the delinquent dues and property taxes reach a point where a forced sale is practical, during which time the lot will be an eyesore unless the HOA itself takes action to fix it up - at the expense of all of the owners. If they can pressure you and your neighbours into paying for it directly, it saves the HOA (and thus all of the other owners) money. Get together with the other neighbours affected by this nonsense and get a consult with a local lawyer. Let your lawyer advise you on how to confront the HOA, and if there is some way that the HOA is in the right, advise you on exactly what your obligations actually are. | Real estate lawyer time. I would argue that the clause he mentions has no bearing in this case. There is a clear owner of the title and remaining structure. They are in contact with him even. | 1 | 2,802 | 2.134304 |
n881wp | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | Neighbors house burned down, our home owners association is demanding that we take care and clean up the property by next Monday, or we are going to be fined for negligence. I was told to post this here by my son. We own a home in a HOA in New York State. We had a few problems with our HOA in the past, but this is beyond anything I have ever dealt with. About 3 weeks ago there was a fire and our neighbors house was heavily damaged by fire, i am not privy to the details of the fire, but the house was apparently written off. Last week the remains still standing were bulldozed for safety reasons. However most of the actual remains were pilled up. I was expecting them to remove it, but they have not. I don't really know what is going on with it at all. Tonight our HOA came to our house to tell us we are shirking our HOA duties as their lot is a mess. Our HOA president is arguing that both me and the other adjacent neighbor are responsible for the upkeep of any vacant dwellings. This is what they are arguing: "In the event of a unit being unoccupied with no clear owner. It is the responsibility of any adjacent units to perform any required upkeep to ensure the vacant unit is up to the community standards....(insert reference to our bylaws regarding how stuff is supposed to look)". Our HOA more or less wants us to remove all the debris, fix the lawn etc. I have so many issues with this, firstly it is not safe at all. Secondly i don't know who owns the plot now. According to our HOA the original owners took the insurance money and are moving somewhere else. So wouldn't that mean the insurance company owns the land and not us? We have until May 17th, to apparently get this done otherwise we will be fined. Am I crazy or does this seem idiotic? | gxh2ew8 | gxh41rx | 1,620,542,965 | 1,620,544,398 | 190 | 1,319 | [I am an attorney but I do not practice your jurisdiction. My response should not be considered at advice but offered as for its entertainment value. (recommend you contact the state bar association and find an attorney).] Someone previously mentioned you should check the terms of your HOA. I agree but would believe in the very extreme of the HOA agreement would mean things like “mow the front yard” not clean up the rumble. Also, home owners’ insurance pays for demo & cleanup after a fire. But if they are expecting for you to pay for the work, I would write a letter and send it certified to the HOA. I would say you are in the process of retaining counsel. Tell them you will happily appear at the next HOA to explain the opinion of the attorney. I would call the neighbor with the burned out house and explain they need to expedite the debris removal. Hopefully your HOA meeting is longer than the two weeks and you’ll have even more time. I would also consider preparing to sue the burned out neighbor. The insurance company would represent him and you would force them to speed things up. | I don't see any reasonable way the property could fail to have a clear owner. Either the previous owners still own it, or they've sold or given it away, in which case the new owners are a matter of public record. Just about the only way this situation could lead to unclear ownership is if the owners _died_, and no heir could be located or the estate was not probated in a reasonable amount of time. However, it sounds like the HOA is prepared to play fast and loose with this. I can guess why - if the owners are walking away from the property, it might be years before the delinquent dues and property taxes reach a point where a forced sale is practical, during which time the lot will be an eyesore unless the HOA itself takes action to fix it up - at the expense of all of the owners. If they can pressure you and your neighbours into paying for it directly, it saves the HOA (and thus all of the other owners) money. Get together with the other neighbours affected by this nonsense and get a consult with a local lawyer. Let your lawyer advise you on how to confront the HOA, and if there is some way that the HOA is in the right, advise you on exactly what your obligations actually are. | 0 | 1,433 | 6.942105 |
n881wp | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | Neighbors house burned down, our home owners association is demanding that we take care and clean up the property by next Monday, or we are going to be fined for negligence. I was told to post this here by my son. We own a home in a HOA in New York State. We had a few problems with our HOA in the past, but this is beyond anything I have ever dealt with. About 3 weeks ago there was a fire and our neighbors house was heavily damaged by fire, i am not privy to the details of the fire, but the house was apparently written off. Last week the remains still standing were bulldozed for safety reasons. However most of the actual remains were pilled up. I was expecting them to remove it, but they have not. I don't really know what is going on with it at all. Tonight our HOA came to our house to tell us we are shirking our HOA duties as their lot is a mess. Our HOA president is arguing that both me and the other adjacent neighbor are responsible for the upkeep of any vacant dwellings. This is what they are arguing: "In the event of a unit being unoccupied with no clear owner. It is the responsibility of any adjacent units to perform any required upkeep to ensure the vacant unit is up to the community standards....(insert reference to our bylaws regarding how stuff is supposed to look)". Our HOA more or less wants us to remove all the debris, fix the lawn etc. I have so many issues with this, firstly it is not safe at all. Secondly i don't know who owns the plot now. According to our HOA the original owners took the insurance money and are moving somewhere else. So wouldn't that mean the insurance company owns the land and not us? We have until May 17th, to apparently get this done otherwise we will be fined. Am I crazy or does this seem idiotic? | gxh8ekv | gxi4fbn | 1,620,548,439 | 1,620,572,457 | 89 | 140 | lmfao no. get a lawyer and tell the HOA to speak to them. | Someone owns the property, you can just check the deed record to figure out who that is. However, being that there is certainly an owner, how do you have the authority to 1) enter their property and 2) remove or alter their possessions. Although I doubt anyone would ever come after you, you certainly could be opening yourself up to liability from the owner, or possibly even a trespass action. | 0 | 24,018 | 1.573034 |
n881wp | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | Neighbors house burned down, our home owners association is demanding that we take care and clean up the property by next Monday, or we are going to be fined for negligence. I was told to post this here by my son. We own a home in a HOA in New York State. We had a few problems with our HOA in the past, but this is beyond anything I have ever dealt with. About 3 weeks ago there was a fire and our neighbors house was heavily damaged by fire, i am not privy to the details of the fire, but the house was apparently written off. Last week the remains still standing were bulldozed for safety reasons. However most of the actual remains were pilled up. I was expecting them to remove it, but they have not. I don't really know what is going on with it at all. Tonight our HOA came to our house to tell us we are shirking our HOA duties as their lot is a mess. Our HOA president is arguing that both me and the other adjacent neighbor are responsible for the upkeep of any vacant dwellings. This is what they are arguing: "In the event of a unit being unoccupied with no clear owner. It is the responsibility of any adjacent units to perform any required upkeep to ensure the vacant unit is up to the community standards....(insert reference to our bylaws regarding how stuff is supposed to look)". Our HOA more or less wants us to remove all the debris, fix the lawn etc. I have so many issues with this, firstly it is not safe at all. Secondly i don't know who owns the plot now. According to our HOA the original owners took the insurance money and are moving somewhere else. So wouldn't that mean the insurance company owns the land and not us? We have until May 17th, to apparently get this done otherwise we will be fined. Am I crazy or does this seem idiotic? | gxi4fbn | gxhy3eq | 1,620,572,457 | 1,620,569,170 | 140 | 46 | Someone owns the property, you can just check the deed record to figure out who that is. However, being that there is certainly an owner, how do you have the authority to 1) enter their property and 2) remove or alter their possessions. Although I doubt anyone would ever come after you, you certainly could be opening yourself up to liability from the owner, or possibly even a trespass action. | Your neighbor probably got paid the value on the structure and for the removal, but still owns the lot. Home Owners insurance isn't like car insurance. If you can reach them, explain the situation, and get details on when the land will be cleaned, it will help your attorney with his work. Best of luck! | 1 | 3,287 | 3.043478 |
wemmia | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | My neighbor is planning to have our bordering fence line replaced and is demanding i pay half or she'll take me to court. To start, I live in California, I bought my first house last month. We just moved in. There is Civil Code 841 that states that because we'll equally benefit we have to pay equal shares under most circumstances. Initially she did approach me and told me that the fence was old and she'd like to replace it and needed me to pay half. I told her I would, but I just bought the home and I dont have any extra money and it would take a few months for me to save up to cover my half. She was extremely upset and berated me for well over 10 minutes over how I "have to" A week later she plastered an invoice on my door with a letter attached that said I need to pay half once again. Which again I'd be fine with, if I had money to spare. In this letter she says the work is already scheduled to be done 2 weeks from now, I need to clear my fence line and keep my dogs inside for 2 to 3 days while the work is completed. Mind you ive had 0 say in the design or the fence, or height, or plank width, or material etc. Shes made all the decisions about it. Today I got a certified letter in the mail from her saying that I need to pay or shes willing to take me to court over the matter. If shes initiated the replacing of the fence after ive informed her I have no money to cover it. If shes made all design choices and decisions regarding the fence without asking for any input from me. If the fence is standing and in decent condition but just "old," am I still legally responsible for paying half of it? | iip4a0k | iip88wf | 1,659,475,213 | 1,659,476,761 | 1,686 | 3,011 | Your neighbor is going about it wrong and I disbelieve they are aware exactly of what they are doing here. She and you are correct that [CA CIV 840 - 848]( https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=CIV§ionNum=841) boundary maintenance between real properties. The presumption is that each side benefits equally and therefore responsible for the costs(see CIV 841(b)(2) and 841(b)(3)( of REASONABLE and NECESSARY maintenance. The presumption exists but you can rebut the presumption via either showing it doesn't meet the requirements or does meet exclusions in (b)(3)(A-E) This appears to be an asthetic preference to rebuild and not functionally necessary. It also appears to be a hardship on your part in the immediate. It also appears the fence isn't actually broken and she's done nothing to actually approach getting it done right other than just trying to tell you what to do. If this is the case, she can probably ultimately have a judge tell her to kick the bill she's trying to send you right up your neighbors butthole without even touching the rim, which while fun to watch, can be so expensive. It's best to avoid, and the cheapest way to do that is to involve an attorney as soon as it's prudent. If she sends you a certified letter that actually does what is listed in rather plain English in the above link, you need to contact a real estate or land use attorney in your area to remind her that things hurt a ton to have kicked up their butthole and she may wish to consider trying to avoid that. You appear to be reasonable here, just keep being reasonable. But do reach out to an attorney if she's starting work without negotiation or notice, as she may need to halt, can not tell you what you "have to" do for her and force the issue, and would generally not be able to retroactively pursue you for a portion of she does it wrong. Best of luck. Neighbors can be a mixed bag of fortune. | Make sure you document the current condition of the fence, to be able to contest the necessity for what she is having installed. | 0 | 1,548 | 1.785884 |
wemmia | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | My neighbor is planning to have our bordering fence line replaced and is demanding i pay half or she'll take me to court. To start, I live in California, I bought my first house last month. We just moved in. There is Civil Code 841 that states that because we'll equally benefit we have to pay equal shares under most circumstances. Initially she did approach me and told me that the fence was old and she'd like to replace it and needed me to pay half. I told her I would, but I just bought the home and I dont have any extra money and it would take a few months for me to save up to cover my half. She was extremely upset and berated me for well over 10 minutes over how I "have to" A week later she plastered an invoice on my door with a letter attached that said I need to pay half once again. Which again I'd be fine with, if I had money to spare. In this letter she says the work is already scheduled to be done 2 weeks from now, I need to clear my fence line and keep my dogs inside for 2 to 3 days while the work is completed. Mind you ive had 0 say in the design or the fence, or height, or plank width, or material etc. Shes made all the decisions about it. Today I got a certified letter in the mail from her saying that I need to pay or shes willing to take me to court over the matter. If shes initiated the replacing of the fence after ive informed her I have no money to cover it. If shes made all design choices and decisions regarding the fence without asking for any input from me. If the fence is standing and in decent condition but just "old," am I still legally responsible for paying half of it? | iip7tnu | iip88wf | 1,659,476,596 | 1,659,476,761 | 471 | 3,011 | Simply being old does not meet the requirements to force shared costs under the code you cited. It must actually need to be replaced, and the specific reason must be part of the notification to each party. If there is no specific reason to replace the fence now then she can't force equal costs just because she wants a new fence. In addition, the code that covers equal costs has an exception when the cost would cause an undue financial hardship. It also specifically allows exceptions to equal costs when the work is primarily for the benefit on one parties asthetic preferences, so she screwed herself even more by making all the decisions herself. So she has a very weak case due to multiple reasons. If I were you I would notify her in writing that the fence does not need to be replaced, and will not pay for an unnecessary fence replacement. Also include that you do not have the money to pay for a new fence at this time, and that replacing a fence at this time would be an undue financial hardship. You can also include that you refuse to pay for a fence that you do not have equal say in the design or other aesthetic choices. All in accordance with civil code 841, paragraph b(3). Then ignore her unless she sues you or something happens that requires the fence to be replaced. If she seems crazy then maybe buy a cheap camera to watch the fence to make sure she doesn't try and wreck it as an excuse to force you to pay for it. If she sues you then make sure to respond and attend any court dates, where you can watch her try and explain to a judge why she thinks the law should be ignored in multiple places so she can make others pay for her pointless fence. | Make sure you document the current condition of the fence, to be able to contest the necessity for what she is having installed. | 0 | 165 | 6.392781 |
wemmia | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | My neighbor is planning to have our bordering fence line replaced and is demanding i pay half or she'll take me to court. To start, I live in California, I bought my first house last month. We just moved in. There is Civil Code 841 that states that because we'll equally benefit we have to pay equal shares under most circumstances. Initially she did approach me and told me that the fence was old and she'd like to replace it and needed me to pay half. I told her I would, but I just bought the home and I dont have any extra money and it would take a few months for me to save up to cover my half. She was extremely upset and berated me for well over 10 minutes over how I "have to" A week later she plastered an invoice on my door with a letter attached that said I need to pay half once again. Which again I'd be fine with, if I had money to spare. In this letter she says the work is already scheduled to be done 2 weeks from now, I need to clear my fence line and keep my dogs inside for 2 to 3 days while the work is completed. Mind you ive had 0 say in the design or the fence, or height, or plank width, or material etc. Shes made all the decisions about it. Today I got a certified letter in the mail from her saying that I need to pay or shes willing to take me to court over the matter. If shes initiated the replacing of the fence after ive informed her I have no money to cover it. If shes made all design choices and decisions regarding the fence without asking for any input from me. If the fence is standing and in decent condition but just "old," am I still legally responsible for paying half of it? | iippez7 | iip4a0k | 1,659,483,812 | 1,659,475,213 | 1,850 | 1,686 | Whomever sold you the home has likely been telling this neighbor to pound sand for quite some time. Perhaps you're viewed as a softer target. Stand your ground. | Your neighbor is going about it wrong and I disbelieve they are aware exactly of what they are doing here. She and you are correct that [CA CIV 840 - 848]( https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=CIV§ionNum=841) boundary maintenance between real properties. The presumption is that each side benefits equally and therefore responsible for the costs(see CIV 841(b)(2) and 841(b)(3)( of REASONABLE and NECESSARY maintenance. The presumption exists but you can rebut the presumption via either showing it doesn't meet the requirements or does meet exclusions in (b)(3)(A-E) This appears to be an asthetic preference to rebuild and not functionally necessary. It also appears to be a hardship on your part in the immediate. It also appears the fence isn't actually broken and she's done nothing to actually approach getting it done right other than just trying to tell you what to do. If this is the case, she can probably ultimately have a judge tell her to kick the bill she's trying to send you right up your neighbors butthole without even touching the rim, which while fun to watch, can be so expensive. It's best to avoid, and the cheapest way to do that is to involve an attorney as soon as it's prudent. If she sends you a certified letter that actually does what is listed in rather plain English in the above link, you need to contact a real estate or land use attorney in your area to remind her that things hurt a ton to have kicked up their butthole and she may wish to consider trying to avoid that. You appear to be reasonable here, just keep being reasonable. But do reach out to an attorney if she's starting work without negotiation or notice, as she may need to halt, can not tell you what you "have to" do for her and force the issue, and would generally not be able to retroactively pursue you for a portion of she does it wrong. Best of luck. Neighbors can be a mixed bag of fortune. | 1 | 8,599 | 1.097272 |
wemmia | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | My neighbor is planning to have our bordering fence line replaced and is demanding i pay half or she'll take me to court. To start, I live in California, I bought my first house last month. We just moved in. There is Civil Code 841 that states that because we'll equally benefit we have to pay equal shares under most circumstances. Initially she did approach me and told me that the fence was old and she'd like to replace it and needed me to pay half. I told her I would, but I just bought the home and I dont have any extra money and it would take a few months for me to save up to cover my half. She was extremely upset and berated me for well over 10 minutes over how I "have to" A week later she plastered an invoice on my door with a letter attached that said I need to pay half once again. Which again I'd be fine with, if I had money to spare. In this letter she says the work is already scheduled to be done 2 weeks from now, I need to clear my fence line and keep my dogs inside for 2 to 3 days while the work is completed. Mind you ive had 0 say in the design or the fence, or height, or plank width, or material etc. Shes made all the decisions about it. Today I got a certified letter in the mail from her saying that I need to pay or shes willing to take me to court over the matter. If shes initiated the replacing of the fence after ive informed her I have no money to cover it. If shes made all design choices and decisions regarding the fence without asking for any input from me. If the fence is standing and in decent condition but just "old," am I still legally responsible for paying half of it? | iipa74h | iippez7 | 1,659,477,513 | 1,659,483,812 | 858 | 1,850 | You need to start covering your bases. Because odds are you are going to court over this. So start collecting evidence. First off go take pictures and video of the fence right now. I’d do a video where you state the date and time them walk down the fence line and record the condition/type of the fence as it is right now. This gives you evidence that the fence doesn’t NEED to be replaced. I’d get 1-2 quotes from a fencing company(s) to replace the fence with one of a similar style. This gives you a baseline for what it should cost to replace the fence with something similar in case your neighbor is significantly upgrading the fence. | Whomever sold you the home has likely been telling this neighbor to pound sand for quite some time. Perhaps you're viewed as a softer target. Stand your ground. | 0 | 6,299 | 2.156177 |
wemmia | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | My neighbor is planning to have our bordering fence line replaced and is demanding i pay half or she'll take me to court. To start, I live in California, I bought my first house last month. We just moved in. There is Civil Code 841 that states that because we'll equally benefit we have to pay equal shares under most circumstances. Initially she did approach me and told me that the fence was old and she'd like to replace it and needed me to pay half. I told her I would, but I just bought the home and I dont have any extra money and it would take a few months for me to save up to cover my half. She was extremely upset and berated me for well over 10 minutes over how I "have to" A week later she plastered an invoice on my door with a letter attached that said I need to pay half once again. Which again I'd be fine with, if I had money to spare. In this letter she says the work is already scheduled to be done 2 weeks from now, I need to clear my fence line and keep my dogs inside for 2 to 3 days while the work is completed. Mind you ive had 0 say in the design or the fence, or height, or plank width, or material etc. Shes made all the decisions about it. Today I got a certified letter in the mail from her saying that I need to pay or shes willing to take me to court over the matter. If shes initiated the replacing of the fence after ive informed her I have no money to cover it. If shes made all design choices and decisions regarding the fence without asking for any input from me. If the fence is standing and in decent condition but just "old," am I still legally responsible for paying half of it? | iippez7 | iip7tnu | 1,659,483,812 | 1,659,476,596 | 1,850 | 471 | Whomever sold you the home has likely been telling this neighbor to pound sand for quite some time. Perhaps you're viewed as a softer target. Stand your ground. | Simply being old does not meet the requirements to force shared costs under the code you cited. It must actually need to be replaced, and the specific reason must be part of the notification to each party. If there is no specific reason to replace the fence now then she can't force equal costs just because she wants a new fence. In addition, the code that covers equal costs has an exception when the cost would cause an undue financial hardship. It also specifically allows exceptions to equal costs when the work is primarily for the benefit on one parties asthetic preferences, so she screwed herself even more by making all the decisions herself. So she has a very weak case due to multiple reasons. If I were you I would notify her in writing that the fence does not need to be replaced, and will not pay for an unnecessary fence replacement. Also include that you do not have the money to pay for a new fence at this time, and that replacing a fence at this time would be an undue financial hardship. You can also include that you refuse to pay for a fence that you do not have equal say in the design or other aesthetic choices. All in accordance with civil code 841, paragraph b(3). Then ignore her unless she sues you or something happens that requires the fence to be replaced. If she seems crazy then maybe buy a cheap camera to watch the fence to make sure she doesn't try and wreck it as an excuse to force you to pay for it. If she sues you then make sure to respond and attend any court dates, where you can watch her try and explain to a judge why she thinks the law should be ignored in multiple places so she can make others pay for her pointless fence. | 1 | 7,216 | 3.927813 |
wemmia | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | My neighbor is planning to have our bordering fence line replaced and is demanding i pay half or she'll take me to court. To start, I live in California, I bought my first house last month. We just moved in. There is Civil Code 841 that states that because we'll equally benefit we have to pay equal shares under most circumstances. Initially she did approach me and told me that the fence was old and she'd like to replace it and needed me to pay half. I told her I would, but I just bought the home and I dont have any extra money and it would take a few months for me to save up to cover my half. She was extremely upset and berated me for well over 10 minutes over how I "have to" A week later she plastered an invoice on my door with a letter attached that said I need to pay half once again. Which again I'd be fine with, if I had money to spare. In this letter she says the work is already scheduled to be done 2 weeks from now, I need to clear my fence line and keep my dogs inside for 2 to 3 days while the work is completed. Mind you ive had 0 say in the design or the fence, or height, or plank width, or material etc. Shes made all the decisions about it. Today I got a certified letter in the mail from her saying that I need to pay or shes willing to take me to court over the matter. If shes initiated the replacing of the fence after ive informed her I have no money to cover it. If shes made all design choices and decisions regarding the fence without asking for any input from me. If the fence is standing and in decent condition but just "old," am I still legally responsible for paying half of it? | iipo3jc | iippez7 | 1,659,483,239 | 1,659,483,812 | 33 | 1,850 | Maybe contact the company listed on the invoice and let them know that you are the other party involved and have no way to pay their bill right now? ... I have no experience in this, but it sounds like a way to at least slow the process down a little. | Whomever sold you the home has likely been telling this neighbor to pound sand for quite some time. Perhaps you're viewed as a softer target. Stand your ground. | 0 | 573 | 56.060606 |
wemmia | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | My neighbor is planning to have our bordering fence line replaced and is demanding i pay half or she'll take me to court. To start, I live in California, I bought my first house last month. We just moved in. There is Civil Code 841 that states that because we'll equally benefit we have to pay equal shares under most circumstances. Initially she did approach me and told me that the fence was old and she'd like to replace it and needed me to pay half. I told her I would, but I just bought the home and I dont have any extra money and it would take a few months for me to save up to cover my half. She was extremely upset and berated me for well over 10 minutes over how I "have to" A week later she plastered an invoice on my door with a letter attached that said I need to pay half once again. Which again I'd be fine with, if I had money to spare. In this letter she says the work is already scheduled to be done 2 weeks from now, I need to clear my fence line and keep my dogs inside for 2 to 3 days while the work is completed. Mind you ive had 0 say in the design or the fence, or height, or plank width, or material etc. Shes made all the decisions about it. Today I got a certified letter in the mail from her saying that I need to pay or shes willing to take me to court over the matter. If shes initiated the replacing of the fence after ive informed her I have no money to cover it. If shes made all design choices and decisions regarding the fence without asking for any input from me. If the fence is standing and in decent condition but just "old," am I still legally responsible for paying half of it? | iip7tnu | iipa74h | 1,659,476,596 | 1,659,477,513 | 471 | 858 | Simply being old does not meet the requirements to force shared costs under the code you cited. It must actually need to be replaced, and the specific reason must be part of the notification to each party. If there is no specific reason to replace the fence now then she can't force equal costs just because she wants a new fence. In addition, the code that covers equal costs has an exception when the cost would cause an undue financial hardship. It also specifically allows exceptions to equal costs when the work is primarily for the benefit on one parties asthetic preferences, so she screwed herself even more by making all the decisions herself. So she has a very weak case due to multiple reasons. If I were you I would notify her in writing that the fence does not need to be replaced, and will not pay for an unnecessary fence replacement. Also include that you do not have the money to pay for a new fence at this time, and that replacing a fence at this time would be an undue financial hardship. You can also include that you refuse to pay for a fence that you do not have equal say in the design or other aesthetic choices. All in accordance with civil code 841, paragraph b(3). Then ignore her unless she sues you or something happens that requires the fence to be replaced. If she seems crazy then maybe buy a cheap camera to watch the fence to make sure she doesn't try and wreck it as an excuse to force you to pay for it. If she sues you then make sure to respond and attend any court dates, where you can watch her try and explain to a judge why she thinks the law should be ignored in multiple places so she can make others pay for her pointless fence. | You need to start covering your bases. Because odds are you are going to court over this. So start collecting evidence. First off go take pictures and video of the fence right now. I’d do a video where you state the date and time them walk down the fence line and record the condition/type of the fence as it is right now. This gives you evidence that the fence doesn’t NEED to be replaced. I’d get 1-2 quotes from a fencing company(s) to replace the fence with one of a similar style. This gives you a baseline for what it should cost to replace the fence with something similar in case your neighbor is significantly upgrading the fence. | 0 | 917 | 1.821656 |
wemmia | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | My neighbor is planning to have our bordering fence line replaced and is demanding i pay half or she'll take me to court. To start, I live in California, I bought my first house last month. We just moved in. There is Civil Code 841 that states that because we'll equally benefit we have to pay equal shares under most circumstances. Initially she did approach me and told me that the fence was old and she'd like to replace it and needed me to pay half. I told her I would, but I just bought the home and I dont have any extra money and it would take a few months for me to save up to cover my half. She was extremely upset and berated me for well over 10 minutes over how I "have to" A week later she plastered an invoice on my door with a letter attached that said I need to pay half once again. Which again I'd be fine with, if I had money to spare. In this letter she says the work is already scheduled to be done 2 weeks from now, I need to clear my fence line and keep my dogs inside for 2 to 3 days while the work is completed. Mind you ive had 0 say in the design or the fence, or height, or plank width, or material etc. Shes made all the decisions about it. Today I got a certified letter in the mail from her saying that I need to pay or shes willing to take me to court over the matter. If shes initiated the replacing of the fence after ive informed her I have no money to cover it. If shes made all design choices and decisions regarding the fence without asking for any input from me. If the fence is standing and in decent condition but just "old," am I still legally responsible for paying half of it? | iipz707 | iipo3jc | 1,659,488,109 | 1,659,483,239 | 99 | 33 | So the good neighbor fence law in California also states that if one of the neighbors can’t pay for the fence and it’s too much of burden, then one neighbor can pay for the whole fence. CA 841 (C) Whether the financial burden to one landowner would impose an undue financial hardship given that party’s financial circumstances as demonstrated by reasonable proof. | Maybe contact the company listed on the invoice and let them know that you are the other party involved and have no way to pay their bill right now? ... I have no experience in this, but it sounds like a way to at least slow the process down a little. | 1 | 4,870 | 3 |
wemmia | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | My neighbor is planning to have our bordering fence line replaced and is demanding i pay half or she'll take me to court. To start, I live in California, I bought my first house last month. We just moved in. There is Civil Code 841 that states that because we'll equally benefit we have to pay equal shares under most circumstances. Initially she did approach me and told me that the fence was old and she'd like to replace it and needed me to pay half. I told her I would, but I just bought the home and I dont have any extra money and it would take a few months for me to save up to cover my half. She was extremely upset and berated me for well over 10 minutes over how I "have to" A week later she plastered an invoice on my door with a letter attached that said I need to pay half once again. Which again I'd be fine with, if I had money to spare. In this letter she says the work is already scheduled to be done 2 weeks from now, I need to clear my fence line and keep my dogs inside for 2 to 3 days while the work is completed. Mind you ive had 0 say in the design or the fence, or height, or plank width, or material etc. Shes made all the decisions about it. Today I got a certified letter in the mail from her saying that I need to pay or shes willing to take me to court over the matter. If shes initiated the replacing of the fence after ive informed her I have no money to cover it. If shes made all design choices and decisions regarding the fence without asking for any input from me. If the fence is standing and in decent condition but just "old," am I still legally responsible for paying half of it? | iipsoa9 | iipz707 | 1,659,485,224 | 1,659,488,109 | 19 | 99 | When you purchased the home, where there any disclosures about the fence? Is there a history regarding this between the previous owner and the neighbor? | So the good neighbor fence law in California also states that if one of the neighbors can’t pay for the fence and it’s too much of burden, then one neighbor can pay for the whole fence. CA 841 (C) Whether the financial burden to one landowner would impose an undue financial hardship given that party’s financial circumstances as demonstrated by reasonable proof. | 0 | 2,885 | 5.210526 |
wemmia | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | My neighbor is planning to have our bordering fence line replaced and is demanding i pay half or she'll take me to court. To start, I live in California, I bought my first house last month. We just moved in. There is Civil Code 841 that states that because we'll equally benefit we have to pay equal shares under most circumstances. Initially she did approach me and told me that the fence was old and she'd like to replace it and needed me to pay half. I told her I would, but I just bought the home and I dont have any extra money and it would take a few months for me to save up to cover my half. She was extremely upset and berated me for well over 10 minutes over how I "have to" A week later she plastered an invoice on my door with a letter attached that said I need to pay half once again. Which again I'd be fine with, if I had money to spare. In this letter she says the work is already scheduled to be done 2 weeks from now, I need to clear my fence line and keep my dogs inside for 2 to 3 days while the work is completed. Mind you ive had 0 say in the design or the fence, or height, or plank width, or material etc. Shes made all the decisions about it. Today I got a certified letter in the mail from her saying that I need to pay or shes willing to take me to court over the matter. If shes initiated the replacing of the fence after ive informed her I have no money to cover it. If shes made all design choices and decisions regarding the fence without asking for any input from me. If the fence is standing and in decent condition but just "old," am I still legally responsible for paying half of it? | iipz707 | iipwc20 | 1,659,488,109 | 1,659,486,835 | 99 | 21 | So the good neighbor fence law in California also states that if one of the neighbors can’t pay for the fence and it’s too much of burden, then one neighbor can pay for the whole fence. CA 841 (C) Whether the financial burden to one landowner would impose an undue financial hardship given that party’s financial circumstances as demonstrated by reasonable proof. | In addition to all the advice here, I would request a survey to be safe as well. And in your pictures make sure you get reference points visible to ensure if they do put a fence up it is not encroaching or anything. | 1 | 1,274 | 4.714286 |
wemmia | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | My neighbor is planning to have our bordering fence line replaced and is demanding i pay half or she'll take me to court. To start, I live in California, I bought my first house last month. We just moved in. There is Civil Code 841 that states that because we'll equally benefit we have to pay equal shares under most circumstances. Initially she did approach me and told me that the fence was old and she'd like to replace it and needed me to pay half. I told her I would, but I just bought the home and I dont have any extra money and it would take a few months for me to save up to cover my half. She was extremely upset and berated me for well over 10 minutes over how I "have to" A week later she plastered an invoice on my door with a letter attached that said I need to pay half once again. Which again I'd be fine with, if I had money to spare. In this letter she says the work is already scheduled to be done 2 weeks from now, I need to clear my fence line and keep my dogs inside for 2 to 3 days while the work is completed. Mind you ive had 0 say in the design or the fence, or height, or plank width, or material etc. Shes made all the decisions about it. Today I got a certified letter in the mail from her saying that I need to pay or shes willing to take me to court over the matter. If shes initiated the replacing of the fence after ive informed her I have no money to cover it. If shes made all design choices and decisions regarding the fence without asking for any input from me. If the fence is standing and in decent condition but just "old," am I still legally responsible for paying half of it? | iiqm6xw | iipo3jc | 1,659,498,809 | 1,659,483,239 | 40 | 33 | So there are several problems with her approach. First, she is ignoring the notice requirements, unless there was more to her letter than you indicated. She hasn't given 30 days notice; no description of the nature of the problem; etc. Just read the parentetical. ("Where a landowner intends to incur costs for a fence described in paragraph (1), the landowner shall give 30 days’ prior written notice to each affected adjoining landowner. The notice shall include notification of the presumption of equal responsibility for the reasonable costs of construction, maintenance, or necessary replacement of the fence. The notice shall include a description of the nature of the problem facing the shared fence, the proposed solution for addressing the problem, the estimated construction or maintenance costs involved to address the problem, the proposed cost sharing approach, and the proposed timeline for getting the problem addressed." Civ. Code s841(b)(2).) From what you have said, she is fucked on this. Second, as someone else says in this thread, you can rebut the presumption it should be split 50-50. Just read Civ. Code s841(b)(3). Third, you need to respond in writing. Write it like a business letter. Explain (1) she had not followed the statutory notice requirements of California's Civil Code to compel.you to share the cost; (2) the law does not apply tompeople.who would suffer a disproportionate financial burden, which you would, as you just bought your house; (3) you have not been told what the problem is with the current fence, nor have you been consulted on the design decisions, and if she wants any sort of contribution from you, you require input into the fence's design and look; (4) as you explained, you are happy to share the cost a bit of time down the road, but her scheduling this without your consent or participation, and insisting you have to pay whether or not you have any say in the fence being built makes clear she intends to.pay for it on her own, in its entirety. The only way you are prepared to be involved in the project 50-50 is if it takes place at least x months from now, and if you have input into the design, color, height, materials, etc. Failing that, she will be paying for it on her own. Some shit like that. Mail it certified. | Maybe contact the company listed on the invoice and let them know that you are the other party involved and have no way to pay their bill right now? ... I have no experience in this, but it sounds like a way to at least slow the process down a little. | 1 | 15,570 | 1.212121 |
wemmia | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | My neighbor is planning to have our bordering fence line replaced and is demanding i pay half or she'll take me to court. To start, I live in California, I bought my first house last month. We just moved in. There is Civil Code 841 that states that because we'll equally benefit we have to pay equal shares under most circumstances. Initially she did approach me and told me that the fence was old and she'd like to replace it and needed me to pay half. I told her I would, but I just bought the home and I dont have any extra money and it would take a few months for me to save up to cover my half. She was extremely upset and berated me for well over 10 minutes over how I "have to" A week later she plastered an invoice on my door with a letter attached that said I need to pay half once again. Which again I'd be fine with, if I had money to spare. In this letter she says the work is already scheduled to be done 2 weeks from now, I need to clear my fence line and keep my dogs inside for 2 to 3 days while the work is completed. Mind you ive had 0 say in the design or the fence, or height, or plank width, or material etc. Shes made all the decisions about it. Today I got a certified letter in the mail from her saying that I need to pay or shes willing to take me to court over the matter. If shes initiated the replacing of the fence after ive informed her I have no money to cover it. If shes made all design choices and decisions regarding the fence without asking for any input from me. If the fence is standing and in decent condition but just "old," am I still legally responsible for paying half of it? | iipsoa9 | iiqm6xw | 1,659,485,224 | 1,659,498,809 | 19 | 40 | When you purchased the home, where there any disclosures about the fence? Is there a history regarding this between the previous owner and the neighbor? | So there are several problems with her approach. First, she is ignoring the notice requirements, unless there was more to her letter than you indicated. She hasn't given 30 days notice; no description of the nature of the problem; etc. Just read the parentetical. ("Where a landowner intends to incur costs for a fence described in paragraph (1), the landowner shall give 30 days’ prior written notice to each affected adjoining landowner. The notice shall include notification of the presumption of equal responsibility for the reasonable costs of construction, maintenance, or necessary replacement of the fence. The notice shall include a description of the nature of the problem facing the shared fence, the proposed solution for addressing the problem, the estimated construction or maintenance costs involved to address the problem, the proposed cost sharing approach, and the proposed timeline for getting the problem addressed." Civ. Code s841(b)(2).) From what you have said, she is fucked on this. Second, as someone else says in this thread, you can rebut the presumption it should be split 50-50. Just read Civ. Code s841(b)(3). Third, you need to respond in writing. Write it like a business letter. Explain (1) she had not followed the statutory notice requirements of California's Civil Code to compel.you to share the cost; (2) the law does not apply tompeople.who would suffer a disproportionate financial burden, which you would, as you just bought your house; (3) you have not been told what the problem is with the current fence, nor have you been consulted on the design decisions, and if she wants any sort of contribution from you, you require input into the fence's design and look; (4) as you explained, you are happy to share the cost a bit of time down the road, but her scheduling this without your consent or participation, and insisting you have to pay whether or not you have any say in the fence being built makes clear she intends to.pay for it on her own, in its entirety. The only way you are prepared to be involved in the project 50-50 is if it takes place at least x months from now, and if you have input into the design, color, height, materials, etc. Failing that, she will be paying for it on her own. Some shit like that. Mail it certified. | 0 | 13,585 | 2.105263 |
wemmia | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | My neighbor is planning to have our bordering fence line replaced and is demanding i pay half or she'll take me to court. To start, I live in California, I bought my first house last month. We just moved in. There is Civil Code 841 that states that because we'll equally benefit we have to pay equal shares under most circumstances. Initially she did approach me and told me that the fence was old and she'd like to replace it and needed me to pay half. I told her I would, but I just bought the home and I dont have any extra money and it would take a few months for me to save up to cover my half. She was extremely upset and berated me for well over 10 minutes over how I "have to" A week later she plastered an invoice on my door with a letter attached that said I need to pay half once again. Which again I'd be fine with, if I had money to spare. In this letter she says the work is already scheduled to be done 2 weeks from now, I need to clear my fence line and keep my dogs inside for 2 to 3 days while the work is completed. Mind you ive had 0 say in the design or the fence, or height, or plank width, or material etc. Shes made all the decisions about it. Today I got a certified letter in the mail from her saying that I need to pay or shes willing to take me to court over the matter. If shes initiated the replacing of the fence after ive informed her I have no money to cover it. If shes made all design choices and decisions regarding the fence without asking for any input from me. If the fence is standing and in decent condition but just "old," am I still legally responsible for paying half of it? | iiqm6xw | iipwc20 | 1,659,498,809 | 1,659,486,835 | 40 | 21 | So there are several problems with her approach. First, she is ignoring the notice requirements, unless there was more to her letter than you indicated. She hasn't given 30 days notice; no description of the nature of the problem; etc. Just read the parentetical. ("Where a landowner intends to incur costs for a fence described in paragraph (1), the landowner shall give 30 days’ prior written notice to each affected adjoining landowner. The notice shall include notification of the presumption of equal responsibility for the reasonable costs of construction, maintenance, or necessary replacement of the fence. The notice shall include a description of the nature of the problem facing the shared fence, the proposed solution for addressing the problem, the estimated construction or maintenance costs involved to address the problem, the proposed cost sharing approach, and the proposed timeline for getting the problem addressed." Civ. Code s841(b)(2).) From what you have said, she is fucked on this. Second, as someone else says in this thread, you can rebut the presumption it should be split 50-50. Just read Civ. Code s841(b)(3). Third, you need to respond in writing. Write it like a business letter. Explain (1) she had not followed the statutory notice requirements of California's Civil Code to compel.you to share the cost; (2) the law does not apply tompeople.who would suffer a disproportionate financial burden, which you would, as you just bought your house; (3) you have not been told what the problem is with the current fence, nor have you been consulted on the design decisions, and if she wants any sort of contribution from you, you require input into the fence's design and look; (4) as you explained, you are happy to share the cost a bit of time down the road, but her scheduling this without your consent or participation, and insisting you have to pay whether or not you have any say in the fence being built makes clear she intends to.pay for it on her own, in its entirety. The only way you are prepared to be involved in the project 50-50 is if it takes place at least x months from now, and if you have input into the design, color, height, materials, etc. Failing that, she will be paying for it on her own. Some shit like that. Mail it certified. | In addition to all the advice here, I would request a survey to be safe as well. And in your pictures make sure you get reference points visible to ensure if they do put a fence up it is not encroaching or anything. | 1 | 11,974 | 1.904762 |
wemmia | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | My neighbor is planning to have our bordering fence line replaced and is demanding i pay half or she'll take me to court. To start, I live in California, I bought my first house last month. We just moved in. There is Civil Code 841 that states that because we'll equally benefit we have to pay equal shares under most circumstances. Initially she did approach me and told me that the fence was old and she'd like to replace it and needed me to pay half. I told her I would, but I just bought the home and I dont have any extra money and it would take a few months for me to save up to cover my half. She was extremely upset and berated me for well over 10 minutes over how I "have to" A week later she plastered an invoice on my door with a letter attached that said I need to pay half once again. Which again I'd be fine with, if I had money to spare. In this letter she says the work is already scheduled to be done 2 weeks from now, I need to clear my fence line and keep my dogs inside for 2 to 3 days while the work is completed. Mind you ive had 0 say in the design or the fence, or height, or plank width, or material etc. Shes made all the decisions about it. Today I got a certified letter in the mail from her saying that I need to pay or shes willing to take me to court over the matter. If shes initiated the replacing of the fence after ive informed her I have no money to cover it. If shes made all design choices and decisions regarding the fence without asking for any input from me. If the fence is standing and in decent condition but just "old," am I still legally responsible for paying half of it? | iiqm6xw | iiq0vif | 1,659,498,809 | 1,659,488,847 | 40 | 18 | So there are several problems with her approach. First, she is ignoring the notice requirements, unless there was more to her letter than you indicated. She hasn't given 30 days notice; no description of the nature of the problem; etc. Just read the parentetical. ("Where a landowner intends to incur costs for a fence described in paragraph (1), the landowner shall give 30 days’ prior written notice to each affected adjoining landowner. The notice shall include notification of the presumption of equal responsibility for the reasonable costs of construction, maintenance, or necessary replacement of the fence. The notice shall include a description of the nature of the problem facing the shared fence, the proposed solution for addressing the problem, the estimated construction or maintenance costs involved to address the problem, the proposed cost sharing approach, and the proposed timeline for getting the problem addressed." Civ. Code s841(b)(2).) From what you have said, she is fucked on this. Second, as someone else says in this thread, you can rebut the presumption it should be split 50-50. Just read Civ. Code s841(b)(3). Third, you need to respond in writing. Write it like a business letter. Explain (1) she had not followed the statutory notice requirements of California's Civil Code to compel.you to share the cost; (2) the law does not apply tompeople.who would suffer a disproportionate financial burden, which you would, as you just bought your house; (3) you have not been told what the problem is with the current fence, nor have you been consulted on the design decisions, and if she wants any sort of contribution from you, you require input into the fence's design and look; (4) as you explained, you are happy to share the cost a bit of time down the road, but her scheduling this without your consent or participation, and insisting you have to pay whether or not you have any say in the fence being built makes clear she intends to.pay for it on her own, in its entirety. The only way you are prepared to be involved in the project 50-50 is if it takes place at least x months from now, and if you have input into the design, color, height, materials, etc. Failing that, she will be paying for it on her own. Some shit like that. Mail it certified. | It would concern me that she is pushing hard for the replacement of the fence. Does she know the contractor and is she receiving any side benefits? There should have been at least two quotes for comparison on costs. | 1 | 9,962 | 2.222222 |
wemmia | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | My neighbor is planning to have our bordering fence line replaced and is demanding i pay half or she'll take me to court. To start, I live in California, I bought my first house last month. We just moved in. There is Civil Code 841 that states that because we'll equally benefit we have to pay equal shares under most circumstances. Initially she did approach me and told me that the fence was old and she'd like to replace it and needed me to pay half. I told her I would, but I just bought the home and I dont have any extra money and it would take a few months for me to save up to cover my half. She was extremely upset and berated me for well over 10 minutes over how I "have to" A week later she plastered an invoice on my door with a letter attached that said I need to pay half once again. Which again I'd be fine with, if I had money to spare. In this letter she says the work is already scheduled to be done 2 weeks from now, I need to clear my fence line and keep my dogs inside for 2 to 3 days while the work is completed. Mind you ive had 0 say in the design or the fence, or height, or plank width, or material etc. Shes made all the decisions about it. Today I got a certified letter in the mail from her saying that I need to pay or shes willing to take me to court over the matter. If shes initiated the replacing of the fence after ive informed her I have no money to cover it. If shes made all design choices and decisions regarding the fence without asking for any input from me. If the fence is standing and in decent condition but just "old," am I still legally responsible for paying half of it? | iiq015m | iiqm6xw | 1,659,488,477 | 1,659,498,809 | 13 | 40 | Can you reach out to the previous owner and see if there was a fence issue before with this neighbor? Or if there was any issues with this neighbor? | So there are several problems with her approach. First, she is ignoring the notice requirements, unless there was more to her letter than you indicated. She hasn't given 30 days notice; no description of the nature of the problem; etc. Just read the parentetical. ("Where a landowner intends to incur costs for a fence described in paragraph (1), the landowner shall give 30 days’ prior written notice to each affected adjoining landowner. The notice shall include notification of the presumption of equal responsibility for the reasonable costs of construction, maintenance, or necessary replacement of the fence. The notice shall include a description of the nature of the problem facing the shared fence, the proposed solution for addressing the problem, the estimated construction or maintenance costs involved to address the problem, the proposed cost sharing approach, and the proposed timeline for getting the problem addressed." Civ. Code s841(b)(2).) From what you have said, she is fucked on this. Second, as someone else says in this thread, you can rebut the presumption it should be split 50-50. Just read Civ. Code s841(b)(3). Third, you need to respond in writing. Write it like a business letter. Explain (1) she had not followed the statutory notice requirements of California's Civil Code to compel.you to share the cost; (2) the law does not apply tompeople.who would suffer a disproportionate financial burden, which you would, as you just bought your house; (3) you have not been told what the problem is with the current fence, nor have you been consulted on the design decisions, and if she wants any sort of contribution from you, you require input into the fence's design and look; (4) as you explained, you are happy to share the cost a bit of time down the road, but her scheduling this without your consent or participation, and insisting you have to pay whether or not you have any say in the fence being built makes clear she intends to.pay for it on her own, in its entirety. The only way you are prepared to be involved in the project 50-50 is if it takes place at least x months from now, and if you have input into the design, color, height, materials, etc. Failing that, she will be paying for it on her own. Some shit like that. Mail it certified. | 0 | 10,332 | 3.076923 |
wemmia | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | My neighbor is planning to have our bordering fence line replaced and is demanding i pay half or she'll take me to court. To start, I live in California, I bought my first house last month. We just moved in. There is Civil Code 841 that states that because we'll equally benefit we have to pay equal shares under most circumstances. Initially she did approach me and told me that the fence was old and she'd like to replace it and needed me to pay half. I told her I would, but I just bought the home and I dont have any extra money and it would take a few months for me to save up to cover my half. She was extremely upset and berated me for well over 10 minutes over how I "have to" A week later she plastered an invoice on my door with a letter attached that said I need to pay half once again. Which again I'd be fine with, if I had money to spare. In this letter she says the work is already scheduled to be done 2 weeks from now, I need to clear my fence line and keep my dogs inside for 2 to 3 days while the work is completed. Mind you ive had 0 say in the design or the fence, or height, or plank width, or material etc. Shes made all the decisions about it. Today I got a certified letter in the mail from her saying that I need to pay or shes willing to take me to court over the matter. If shes initiated the replacing of the fence after ive informed her I have no money to cover it. If shes made all design choices and decisions regarding the fence without asking for any input from me. If the fence is standing and in decent condition but just "old," am I still legally responsible for paying half of it? | iiqe8u3 | iiqm6xw | 1,659,494,877 | 1,659,498,809 | 13 | 40 | OP You need a Real Estate attorney. You also want a surveyor to come out and mark out the lines of the property and find out if the fence is indeed on the property line or on one side or the other. And then tell your neighbor that from now on all communications have to go through your attorney that you will no longer be talking directly to her. There is so much here that needs to be taken into account. The fact that she is making all of these decisions without your input, kind of negates the entire bit about you having to pay for half of anything. And one would think that a judge would look at her and ask her what kind of input you had, in say the way the fence is suppose to be, the style, color and so forth. What if you wanted another style, or say to put in a large hedge that can grow and block the view/access from her yard to yours? What if you wanted say a chain link fence on the inside of your yard to keep your animals in and under control. Do not sign off on anything, make her waste her money, and sue you. Just make sure you have an attorney present to represent you and your interest, and to countersue for all of the attorneys fees and court costs. | So there are several problems with her approach. First, she is ignoring the notice requirements, unless there was more to her letter than you indicated. She hasn't given 30 days notice; no description of the nature of the problem; etc. Just read the parentetical. ("Where a landowner intends to incur costs for a fence described in paragraph (1), the landowner shall give 30 days’ prior written notice to each affected adjoining landowner. The notice shall include notification of the presumption of equal responsibility for the reasonable costs of construction, maintenance, or necessary replacement of the fence. The notice shall include a description of the nature of the problem facing the shared fence, the proposed solution for addressing the problem, the estimated construction or maintenance costs involved to address the problem, the proposed cost sharing approach, and the proposed timeline for getting the problem addressed." Civ. Code s841(b)(2).) From what you have said, she is fucked on this. Second, as someone else says in this thread, you can rebut the presumption it should be split 50-50. Just read Civ. Code s841(b)(3). Third, you need to respond in writing. Write it like a business letter. Explain (1) she had not followed the statutory notice requirements of California's Civil Code to compel.you to share the cost; (2) the law does not apply tompeople.who would suffer a disproportionate financial burden, which you would, as you just bought your house; (3) you have not been told what the problem is with the current fence, nor have you been consulted on the design decisions, and if she wants any sort of contribution from you, you require input into the fence's design and look; (4) as you explained, you are happy to share the cost a bit of time down the road, but her scheduling this without your consent or participation, and insisting you have to pay whether or not you have any say in the fence being built makes clear she intends to.pay for it on her own, in its entirety. The only way you are prepared to be involved in the project 50-50 is if it takes place at least x months from now, and if you have input into the design, color, height, materials, etc. Failing that, she will be paying for it on her own. Some shit like that. Mail it certified. | 0 | 3,932 | 3.076923 |
wemmia | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | My neighbor is planning to have our bordering fence line replaced and is demanding i pay half or she'll take me to court. To start, I live in California, I bought my first house last month. We just moved in. There is Civil Code 841 that states that because we'll equally benefit we have to pay equal shares under most circumstances. Initially she did approach me and told me that the fence was old and she'd like to replace it and needed me to pay half. I told her I would, but I just bought the home and I dont have any extra money and it would take a few months for me to save up to cover my half. She was extremely upset and berated me for well over 10 minutes over how I "have to" A week later she plastered an invoice on my door with a letter attached that said I need to pay half once again. Which again I'd be fine with, if I had money to spare. In this letter she says the work is already scheduled to be done 2 weeks from now, I need to clear my fence line and keep my dogs inside for 2 to 3 days while the work is completed. Mind you ive had 0 say in the design or the fence, or height, or plank width, or material etc. Shes made all the decisions about it. Today I got a certified letter in the mail from her saying that I need to pay or shes willing to take me to court over the matter. If shes initiated the replacing of the fence after ive informed her I have no money to cover it. If shes made all design choices and decisions regarding the fence without asking for any input from me. If the fence is standing and in decent condition but just "old," am I still legally responsible for paying half of it? | iiq0kzg | iiqm6xw | 1,659,488,718 | 1,659,498,809 | 13 | 40 | Do you have an HOA? It's possible the HOA is making her fix it within a certain period of time, but has not yet cited you due to you just moving in. ETA: In terms of advice, I am a tenant attorney in CA, and occasionally deal with other related issues. I am not your attorney, none of this should be construed as actual legal advice, you should seek counsel. 841 has an "unless otherwise agreed to by the parties in a written agreement" clause. Is it possible, absent an HOA, the previous owners had such clause and she is now taking advantage of you being a new owner? You are allowed to provide a similar letter in kind, inquiring as to why you have had no say in the type of fence being installed, as that certainly impacts costs. There is nothing wrong with being assertive. Did she say what kind of court? Did the letter come from an attorney's office? If small claims, you can't be represented by counsel. If not small claims, you should contact one ASAP. You should also be sending your own letter to the previous owner, as they passed off these costs to you, that likely were not at all disclosed in escrow. | So there are several problems with her approach. First, she is ignoring the notice requirements, unless there was more to her letter than you indicated. She hasn't given 30 days notice; no description of the nature of the problem; etc. Just read the parentetical. ("Where a landowner intends to incur costs for a fence described in paragraph (1), the landowner shall give 30 days’ prior written notice to each affected adjoining landowner. The notice shall include notification of the presumption of equal responsibility for the reasonable costs of construction, maintenance, or necessary replacement of the fence. The notice shall include a description of the nature of the problem facing the shared fence, the proposed solution for addressing the problem, the estimated construction or maintenance costs involved to address the problem, the proposed cost sharing approach, and the proposed timeline for getting the problem addressed." Civ. Code s841(b)(2).) From what you have said, she is fucked on this. Second, as someone else says in this thread, you can rebut the presumption it should be split 50-50. Just read Civ. Code s841(b)(3). Third, you need to respond in writing. Write it like a business letter. Explain (1) she had not followed the statutory notice requirements of California's Civil Code to compel.you to share the cost; (2) the law does not apply tompeople.who would suffer a disproportionate financial burden, which you would, as you just bought your house; (3) you have not been told what the problem is with the current fence, nor have you been consulted on the design decisions, and if she wants any sort of contribution from you, you require input into the fence's design and look; (4) as you explained, you are happy to share the cost a bit of time down the road, but her scheduling this without your consent or participation, and insisting you have to pay whether or not you have any say in the fence being built makes clear she intends to.pay for it on her own, in its entirety. The only way you are prepared to be involved in the project 50-50 is if it takes place at least x months from now, and if you have input into the design, color, height, materials, etc. Failing that, she will be paying for it on her own. Some shit like that. Mail it certified. | 0 | 10,091 | 3.076923 |
wemmia | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | My neighbor is planning to have our bordering fence line replaced and is demanding i pay half or she'll take me to court. To start, I live in California, I bought my first house last month. We just moved in. There is Civil Code 841 that states that because we'll equally benefit we have to pay equal shares under most circumstances. Initially she did approach me and told me that the fence was old and she'd like to replace it and needed me to pay half. I told her I would, but I just bought the home and I dont have any extra money and it would take a few months for me to save up to cover my half. She was extremely upset and berated me for well over 10 minutes over how I "have to" A week later she plastered an invoice on my door with a letter attached that said I need to pay half once again. Which again I'd be fine with, if I had money to spare. In this letter she says the work is already scheduled to be done 2 weeks from now, I need to clear my fence line and keep my dogs inside for 2 to 3 days while the work is completed. Mind you ive had 0 say in the design or the fence, or height, or plank width, or material etc. Shes made all the decisions about it. Today I got a certified letter in the mail from her saying that I need to pay or shes willing to take me to court over the matter. If shes initiated the replacing of the fence after ive informed her I have no money to cover it. If shes made all design choices and decisions regarding the fence without asking for any input from me. If the fence is standing and in decent condition but just "old," am I still legally responsible for paying half of it? | iiq4k12 | iiqm6xw | 1,659,490,464 | 1,659,498,809 | 8 | 40 | I would write a reply certified mail also. You are not consenting to replacing the fence at this time. You don’t think it needs replacing and she has to wait. Also talk to a lawyer . | So there are several problems with her approach. First, she is ignoring the notice requirements, unless there was more to her letter than you indicated. She hasn't given 30 days notice; no description of the nature of the problem; etc. Just read the parentetical. ("Where a landowner intends to incur costs for a fence described in paragraph (1), the landowner shall give 30 days’ prior written notice to each affected adjoining landowner. The notice shall include notification of the presumption of equal responsibility for the reasonable costs of construction, maintenance, or necessary replacement of the fence. The notice shall include a description of the nature of the problem facing the shared fence, the proposed solution for addressing the problem, the estimated construction or maintenance costs involved to address the problem, the proposed cost sharing approach, and the proposed timeline for getting the problem addressed." Civ. Code s841(b)(2).) From what you have said, she is fucked on this. Second, as someone else says in this thread, you can rebut the presumption it should be split 50-50. Just read Civ. Code s841(b)(3). Third, you need to respond in writing. Write it like a business letter. Explain (1) she had not followed the statutory notice requirements of California's Civil Code to compel.you to share the cost; (2) the law does not apply tompeople.who would suffer a disproportionate financial burden, which you would, as you just bought your house; (3) you have not been told what the problem is with the current fence, nor have you been consulted on the design decisions, and if she wants any sort of contribution from you, you require input into the fence's design and look; (4) as you explained, you are happy to share the cost a bit of time down the road, but her scheduling this without your consent or participation, and insisting you have to pay whether or not you have any say in the fence being built makes clear she intends to.pay for it on her own, in its entirety. The only way you are prepared to be involved in the project 50-50 is if it takes place at least x months from now, and if you have input into the design, color, height, materials, etc. Failing that, she will be paying for it on her own. Some shit like that. Mail it certified. | 0 | 8,345 | 5 |
wemmia | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | My neighbor is planning to have our bordering fence line replaced and is demanding i pay half or she'll take me to court. To start, I live in California, I bought my first house last month. We just moved in. There is Civil Code 841 that states that because we'll equally benefit we have to pay equal shares under most circumstances. Initially she did approach me and told me that the fence was old and she'd like to replace it and needed me to pay half. I told her I would, but I just bought the home and I dont have any extra money and it would take a few months for me to save up to cover my half. She was extremely upset and berated me for well over 10 minutes over how I "have to" A week later she plastered an invoice on my door with a letter attached that said I need to pay half once again. Which again I'd be fine with, if I had money to spare. In this letter she says the work is already scheduled to be done 2 weeks from now, I need to clear my fence line and keep my dogs inside for 2 to 3 days while the work is completed. Mind you ive had 0 say in the design or the fence, or height, or plank width, or material etc. Shes made all the decisions about it. Today I got a certified letter in the mail from her saying that I need to pay or shes willing to take me to court over the matter. If shes initiated the replacing of the fence after ive informed her I have no money to cover it. If shes made all design choices and decisions regarding the fence without asking for any input from me. If the fence is standing and in decent condition but just "old," am I still legally responsible for paying half of it? | iipsoa9 | iipwc20 | 1,659,485,224 | 1,659,486,835 | 19 | 21 | When you purchased the home, where there any disclosures about the fence? Is there a history regarding this between the previous owner and the neighbor? | In addition to all the advice here, I would request a survey to be safe as well. And in your pictures make sure you get reference points visible to ensure if they do put a fence up it is not encroaching or anything. | 0 | 1,611 | 1.105263 |
wemmia | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | My neighbor is planning to have our bordering fence line replaced and is demanding i pay half or she'll take me to court. To start, I live in California, I bought my first house last month. We just moved in. There is Civil Code 841 that states that because we'll equally benefit we have to pay equal shares under most circumstances. Initially she did approach me and told me that the fence was old and she'd like to replace it and needed me to pay half. I told her I would, but I just bought the home and I dont have any extra money and it would take a few months for me to save up to cover my half. She was extremely upset and berated me for well over 10 minutes over how I "have to" A week later she plastered an invoice on my door with a letter attached that said I need to pay half once again. Which again I'd be fine with, if I had money to spare. In this letter she says the work is already scheduled to be done 2 weeks from now, I need to clear my fence line and keep my dogs inside for 2 to 3 days while the work is completed. Mind you ive had 0 say in the design or the fence, or height, or plank width, or material etc. Shes made all the decisions about it. Today I got a certified letter in the mail from her saying that I need to pay or shes willing to take me to court over the matter. If shes initiated the replacing of the fence after ive informed her I have no money to cover it. If shes made all design choices and decisions regarding the fence without asking for any input from me. If the fence is standing and in decent condition but just "old," am I still legally responsible for paying half of it? | iiq015m | iiq0vif | 1,659,488,477 | 1,659,488,847 | 13 | 18 | Can you reach out to the previous owner and see if there was a fence issue before with this neighbor? Or if there was any issues with this neighbor? | It would concern me that she is pushing hard for the replacement of the fence. Does she know the contractor and is she receiving any side benefits? There should have been at least two quotes for comparison on costs. | 0 | 370 | 1.384615 |
wemmia | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | My neighbor is planning to have our bordering fence line replaced and is demanding i pay half or she'll take me to court. To start, I live in California, I bought my first house last month. We just moved in. There is Civil Code 841 that states that because we'll equally benefit we have to pay equal shares under most circumstances. Initially she did approach me and told me that the fence was old and she'd like to replace it and needed me to pay half. I told her I would, but I just bought the home and I dont have any extra money and it would take a few months for me to save up to cover my half. She was extremely upset and berated me for well over 10 minutes over how I "have to" A week later she plastered an invoice on my door with a letter attached that said I need to pay half once again. Which again I'd be fine with, if I had money to spare. In this letter she says the work is already scheduled to be done 2 weeks from now, I need to clear my fence line and keep my dogs inside for 2 to 3 days while the work is completed. Mind you ive had 0 say in the design or the fence, or height, or plank width, or material etc. Shes made all the decisions about it. Today I got a certified letter in the mail from her saying that I need to pay or shes willing to take me to court over the matter. If shes initiated the replacing of the fence after ive informed her I have no money to cover it. If shes made all design choices and decisions regarding the fence without asking for any input from me. If the fence is standing and in decent condition but just "old," am I still legally responsible for paying half of it? | iiq0kzg | iiq0vif | 1,659,488,718 | 1,659,488,847 | 13 | 18 | Do you have an HOA? It's possible the HOA is making her fix it within a certain period of time, but has not yet cited you due to you just moving in. ETA: In terms of advice, I am a tenant attorney in CA, and occasionally deal with other related issues. I am not your attorney, none of this should be construed as actual legal advice, you should seek counsel. 841 has an "unless otherwise agreed to by the parties in a written agreement" clause. Is it possible, absent an HOA, the previous owners had such clause and she is now taking advantage of you being a new owner? You are allowed to provide a similar letter in kind, inquiring as to why you have had no say in the type of fence being installed, as that certainly impacts costs. There is nothing wrong with being assertive. Did she say what kind of court? Did the letter come from an attorney's office? If small claims, you can't be represented by counsel. If not small claims, you should contact one ASAP. You should also be sending your own letter to the previous owner, as they passed off these costs to you, that likely were not at all disclosed in escrow. | It would concern me that she is pushing hard for the replacement of the fence. Does she know the contractor and is she receiving any side benefits? There should have been at least two quotes for comparison on costs. | 0 | 129 | 1.384615 |
wemmia | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | My neighbor is planning to have our bordering fence line replaced and is demanding i pay half or she'll take me to court. To start, I live in California, I bought my first house last month. We just moved in. There is Civil Code 841 that states that because we'll equally benefit we have to pay equal shares under most circumstances. Initially she did approach me and told me that the fence was old and she'd like to replace it and needed me to pay half. I told her I would, but I just bought the home and I dont have any extra money and it would take a few months for me to save up to cover my half. She was extremely upset and berated me for well over 10 minutes over how I "have to" A week later she plastered an invoice on my door with a letter attached that said I need to pay half once again. Which again I'd be fine with, if I had money to spare. In this letter she says the work is already scheduled to be done 2 weeks from now, I need to clear my fence line and keep my dogs inside for 2 to 3 days while the work is completed. Mind you ive had 0 say in the design or the fence, or height, or plank width, or material etc. Shes made all the decisions about it. Today I got a certified letter in the mail from her saying that I need to pay or shes willing to take me to court over the matter. If shes initiated the replacing of the fence after ive informed her I have no money to cover it. If shes made all design choices and decisions regarding the fence without asking for any input from me. If the fence is standing and in decent condition but just "old," am I still legally responsible for paying half of it? | iiqe8u3 | iiq4k12 | 1,659,494,877 | 1,659,490,464 | 13 | 8 | OP You need a Real Estate attorney. You also want a surveyor to come out and mark out the lines of the property and find out if the fence is indeed on the property line or on one side or the other. And then tell your neighbor that from now on all communications have to go through your attorney that you will no longer be talking directly to her. There is so much here that needs to be taken into account. The fact that she is making all of these decisions without your input, kind of negates the entire bit about you having to pay for half of anything. And one would think that a judge would look at her and ask her what kind of input you had, in say the way the fence is suppose to be, the style, color and so forth. What if you wanted another style, or say to put in a large hedge that can grow and block the view/access from her yard to yours? What if you wanted say a chain link fence on the inside of your yard to keep your animals in and under control. Do not sign off on anything, make her waste her money, and sue you. Just make sure you have an attorney present to represent you and your interest, and to countersue for all of the attorneys fees and court costs. | I would write a reply certified mail also. You are not consenting to replacing the fence at this time. You don’t think it needs replacing and she has to wait. Also talk to a lawyer . | 1 | 4,413 | 1.625 |
wemmia | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | My neighbor is planning to have our bordering fence line replaced and is demanding i pay half or she'll take me to court. To start, I live in California, I bought my first house last month. We just moved in. There is Civil Code 841 that states that because we'll equally benefit we have to pay equal shares under most circumstances. Initially she did approach me and told me that the fence was old and she'd like to replace it and needed me to pay half. I told her I would, but I just bought the home and I dont have any extra money and it would take a few months for me to save up to cover my half. She was extremely upset and berated me for well over 10 minutes over how I "have to" A week later she plastered an invoice on my door with a letter attached that said I need to pay half once again. Which again I'd be fine with, if I had money to spare. In this letter she says the work is already scheduled to be done 2 weeks from now, I need to clear my fence line and keep my dogs inside for 2 to 3 days while the work is completed. Mind you ive had 0 say in the design or the fence, or height, or plank width, or material etc. Shes made all the decisions about it. Today I got a certified letter in the mail from her saying that I need to pay or shes willing to take me to court over the matter. If shes initiated the replacing of the fence after ive informed her I have no money to cover it. If shes made all design choices and decisions regarding the fence without asking for any input from me. If the fence is standing and in decent condition but just "old," am I still legally responsible for paying half of it? | iiqshqo | iiq4k12 | 1,659,502,358 | 1,659,490,464 | 10 | 8 | If there is nothing structurally wrong with your fence your neighbour cannot force you to get a new one. You should be able to find boundary fence information in your area online. | I would write a reply certified mail also. You are not consenting to replacing the fence at this time. You don’t think it needs replacing and she has to wait. Also talk to a lawyer . | 1 | 11,894 | 1.25 |
wemmia | legaladvice_train | 0.99 | My neighbor is planning to have our bordering fence line replaced and is demanding i pay half or she'll take me to court. To start, I live in California, I bought my first house last month. We just moved in. There is Civil Code 841 that states that because we'll equally benefit we have to pay equal shares under most circumstances. Initially she did approach me and told me that the fence was old and she'd like to replace it and needed me to pay half. I told her I would, but I just bought the home and I dont have any extra money and it would take a few months for me to save up to cover my half. She was extremely upset and berated me for well over 10 minutes over how I "have to" A week later she plastered an invoice on my door with a letter attached that said I need to pay half once again. Which again I'd be fine with, if I had money to spare. In this letter she says the work is already scheduled to be done 2 weeks from now, I need to clear my fence line and keep my dogs inside for 2 to 3 days while the work is completed. Mind you ive had 0 say in the design or the fence, or height, or plank width, or material etc. Shes made all the decisions about it. Today I got a certified letter in the mail from her saying that I need to pay or shes willing to take me to court over the matter. If shes initiated the replacing of the fence after ive informed her I have no money to cover it. If shes made all design choices and decisions regarding the fence without asking for any input from me. If the fence is standing and in decent condition but just "old," am I still legally responsible for paying half of it? | iir9y48 | iiq4k12 | 1,659,514,932 | 1,659,490,464 | 10 | 8 | Obligatory NOT A LAWYER. My comments are based off of comments I've seen posted on similar stories I've come across. Double check with whoever you need to locally, to make sure the fence is even being put in the right place according to property surveys. Try finding out the company doing it and tell them she was told you don't have the money to cover half, she was not given permission to start, and she is threatening to make this a legal matter. If that happens tell them they will absolutely be pulled into it if they do the work on the SHARED PROPERTY LINE without your permission or input. You DO NOT give them permission to be on your property and will have them trespassed if they show up. Most businesses don't like hearing words like laws, Court, and police and may most likely walk away from the situation to avoid it. Have a what if conversation with the local police and the local "grand pooba" in charge of knowing the local property laws. Also check out your cities website regarding the property laws. The answer may already be at the top of your fingers. Best of luck | I would write a reply certified mail also. You are not consenting to replacing the fence at this time. You don’t think it needs replacing and she has to wait. Also talk to a lawyer . | 1 | 24,468 | 1.25 |
kp5zdk | legaladvice_train | 0.91 | Neighboring tenant will not stop going through our mailbox. I thought I could get a lot of good feedback here since this covers two legal areas, laws about mailboxes and landlords legal responsibilities. We live in a house split into 3 units. The front shared porch is where all 3 separate mailboxes are located. Stacked on top of each other, matching what floor each apartment is on. Our mailbox is the middle box. Flip top mailbox. Ours is labeled with our names. The other two tenants aren’t. I had to contact our property manager (who is just slightlllyyy less of a deadbeat as far as dealing with having renters than our landlord) last month because the upstairs tenant never removed any mail from his box except for what he wanted. So the box was completely overflowing which lead to mail being put in our box constantly. It took 3 and a half weeks for the landlord/property manager duo to make him remove the mail from the box...which is now laying on the ground shoved under a chair on the shared porch in a garbage bag. He literally did not understand the 3 notices he was given by the property manager that “removing mail from his mailbox” didn’t just mean mail addressed to him. During that time period, we installed a security camera with live feed and recording. Which revealed that the upstairs tenant was never locking the door into our shared entry way and the downstairs tenant digging through our mailbox daily and now today, removing two pieces of mail. On camera. I have contacted the property manager and landlord with no response to the mail incident today. Last week I had to contact them after placing a written note on the front door for the second time for the upstairs tenant to please lock the door. The note was ripped down. Today, Ive also requested locking mailboxes to be installed immediately to both the landlord and property manager. Legally where am I at here? I do not know who the mail was addressed to the downstairs tenant took. It’s more the principal that I do not want anyone going through the mail I receive. And honestly, that I’m so fed up with these other tenants literally not knowing how to be adults and my landlord and property managers not doing anything about things I feel they are responsible for. Also for reference, because it alters my own judgement of the situation so I feel it is relevant to the story for others. The downstairs tenants smoke crack and are pill addicts and alcoholics. Multiple physical fights between the mother and daughter. The upstairs tenant is sleeping with the underage daughter that lives downstairs that can’t keep her hands out of my mailbox and also recently opened one of my packages. | ghv48np | ghv4m5y | 1,609,622,379 | 1,609,622,574 | 2 | 142 | ---
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Title: **Neighboring tenant will not stop going through our mailbox.**
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> I thought I could get a lot of good feedback here since this covers two legal areas, laws about mailboxes and landlords legal responsibilities. We live in a house split into 3 units. The front shared porch is where all 3 separate mailboxes are located. Stacked on top of each other, matching what floor each apartment is on. Our mailbox is the middle box. Flip top mailbox. Ours is labeled with our names. The other two tenants aren’t. I had to contact our property manager (who is just slightlllyyy less of a deadbeat as far as dealing with having renters than our landlord) last month because the upstairs tenant never removed any mail from his box except for what he wanted. So the box was completely overflowing which lead to mail being put in our box constantly. It took 3 and a half weeks for the landlord/property manager duo to make him remove the mail from the box...which is now laying on the ground shoved under a chair on the shared porch in a garbage bag. He literally did not understand the 3 notices he was given by the property manager that “removing mail from his mailbox” didn’t just mean mail addressed to him. During that time period, we installed a security camera with live feed and recording. Which revealed that the upstairs tenant was never locking the door into our shared entry way and the downstairs tenant digging through our mailbox daily and now today, removing two pieces of mail. On camera. I have contacted the property manager and landlord with no response to the mail incident today. Last week I had to contact them after placing a written note on the front door for the second time for the upstairs tenant to please lock the door. The note was ripped down. Today, Ive also requested locking mailboxes to be installed immediately to both the landlord and property manager. Legally where am I at here? I do not know who the mail was addressed to the downstairs tenant took. It’s more the principal that I do not want anyone going through the mail I receive. And honestly, that I’m so fed up with these other tenants literally not knowing how to be adults and my landlord and property managers not doing anything about things I feel they are responsible for. Also for reference, because it alters my own judgement of the situation so I feel it is relevant to the story for others. The downstairs tenants smoke crack and are pill addicts and alcoholics. Multiple physical fights between the mother and daughter. The upstairs tenant is sleeping with the underage daughter that lives downstairs that can’t keep her hands out of my mailbox and also recently opened one of my packages.
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kp5zdk | legaladvice_train | 0.91 | Neighboring tenant will not stop going through our mailbox. I thought I could get a lot of good feedback here since this covers two legal areas, laws about mailboxes and landlords legal responsibilities. We live in a house split into 3 units. The front shared porch is where all 3 separate mailboxes are located. Stacked on top of each other, matching what floor each apartment is on. Our mailbox is the middle box. Flip top mailbox. Ours is labeled with our names. The other two tenants aren’t. I had to contact our property manager (who is just slightlllyyy less of a deadbeat as far as dealing with having renters than our landlord) last month because the upstairs tenant never removed any mail from his box except for what he wanted. So the box was completely overflowing which lead to mail being put in our box constantly. It took 3 and a half weeks for the landlord/property manager duo to make him remove the mail from the box...which is now laying on the ground shoved under a chair on the shared porch in a garbage bag. He literally did not understand the 3 notices he was given by the property manager that “removing mail from his mailbox” didn’t just mean mail addressed to him. During that time period, we installed a security camera with live feed and recording. Which revealed that the upstairs tenant was never locking the door into our shared entry way and the downstairs tenant digging through our mailbox daily and now today, removing two pieces of mail. On camera. I have contacted the property manager and landlord with no response to the mail incident today. Last week I had to contact them after placing a written note on the front door for the second time for the upstairs tenant to please lock the door. The note was ripped down. Today, Ive also requested locking mailboxes to be installed immediately to both the landlord and property manager. Legally where am I at here? I do not know who the mail was addressed to the downstairs tenant took. It’s more the principal that I do not want anyone going through the mail I receive. And honestly, that I’m so fed up with these other tenants literally not knowing how to be adults and my landlord and property managers not doing anything about things I feel they are responsible for. Also for reference, because it alters my own judgement of the situation so I feel it is relevant to the story for others. The downstairs tenants smoke crack and are pill addicts and alcoholics. Multiple physical fights between the mother and daughter. The upstairs tenant is sleeping with the underage daughter that lives downstairs that can’t keep her hands out of my mailbox and also recently opened one of my packages. | ghvyupx | ghvvsh3 | 1,609,638,753 | 1,609,637,024 | 30 | 20 | I'm a mail carrier. My advice would be to just get a PO box and forward all of your mail to it. Or you can forward your mail to a trusted friend/relative and collect it from them. You can sign up for informed delivery if you'd like but it's not 100% accurate and could be off by a day or two sometimes. Conversely you could try talking your landlord into allowing you to install your own, more secure mailbox (there are models that lock and only have a small slot to fit mail into) but it doesn't sound like they'll be very keen. | A PO box can cost as little as \~$10/month. Surely, it's unfair that you would need to pay your way out of a situation that wasn't of your making. But if you get a PO box at least the problem will be solved and behind you for good. | 1 | 1,729 | 1.5 |
kp5zdk | legaladvice_train | 0.91 | Neighboring tenant will not stop going through our mailbox. I thought I could get a lot of good feedback here since this covers two legal areas, laws about mailboxes and landlords legal responsibilities. We live in a house split into 3 units. The front shared porch is where all 3 separate mailboxes are located. Stacked on top of each other, matching what floor each apartment is on. Our mailbox is the middle box. Flip top mailbox. Ours is labeled with our names. The other two tenants aren’t. I had to contact our property manager (who is just slightlllyyy less of a deadbeat as far as dealing with having renters than our landlord) last month because the upstairs tenant never removed any mail from his box except for what he wanted. So the box was completely overflowing which lead to mail being put in our box constantly. It took 3 and a half weeks for the landlord/property manager duo to make him remove the mail from the box...which is now laying on the ground shoved under a chair on the shared porch in a garbage bag. He literally did not understand the 3 notices he was given by the property manager that “removing mail from his mailbox” didn’t just mean mail addressed to him. During that time period, we installed a security camera with live feed and recording. Which revealed that the upstairs tenant was never locking the door into our shared entry way and the downstairs tenant digging through our mailbox daily and now today, removing two pieces of mail. On camera. I have contacted the property manager and landlord with no response to the mail incident today. Last week I had to contact them after placing a written note on the front door for the second time for the upstairs tenant to please lock the door. The note was ripped down. Today, Ive also requested locking mailboxes to be installed immediately to both the landlord and property manager. Legally where am I at here? I do not know who the mail was addressed to the downstairs tenant took. It’s more the principal that I do not want anyone going through the mail I receive. And honestly, that I’m so fed up with these other tenants literally not knowing how to be adults and my landlord and property managers not doing anything about things I feel they are responsible for. Also for reference, because it alters my own judgement of the situation so I feel it is relevant to the story for others. The downstairs tenants smoke crack and are pill addicts and alcoholics. Multiple physical fights between the mother and daughter. The upstairs tenant is sleeping with the underage daughter that lives downstairs that can’t keep her hands out of my mailbox and also recently opened one of my packages. | ghv48np | ghvyupx | 1,609,622,379 | 1,609,638,753 | 2 | 30 | ---
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> I thought I could get a lot of good feedback here since this covers two legal areas, laws about mailboxes and landlords legal responsibilities. We live in a house split into 3 units. The front shared porch is where all 3 separate mailboxes are located. Stacked on top of each other, matching what floor each apartment is on. Our mailbox is the middle box. Flip top mailbox. Ours is labeled with our names. The other two tenants aren’t. I had to contact our property manager (who is just slightlllyyy less of a deadbeat as far as dealing with having renters than our landlord) last month because the upstairs tenant never removed any mail from his box except for what he wanted. So the box was completely overflowing which lead to mail being put in our box constantly. It took 3 and a half weeks for the landlord/property manager duo to make him remove the mail from the box...which is now laying on the ground shoved under a chair on the shared porch in a garbage bag. He literally did not understand the 3 notices he was given by the property manager that “removing mail from his mailbox” didn’t just mean mail addressed to him. During that time period, we installed a security camera with live feed and recording. Which revealed that the upstairs tenant was never locking the door into our shared entry way and the downstairs tenant digging through our mailbox daily and now today, removing two pieces of mail. On camera. I have contacted the property manager and landlord with no response to the mail incident today. Last week I had to contact them after placing a written note on the front door for the second time for the upstairs tenant to please lock the door. The note was ripped down. Today, Ive also requested locking mailboxes to be installed immediately to both the landlord and property manager. Legally where am I at here? I do not know who the mail was addressed to the downstairs tenant took. It’s more the principal that I do not want anyone going through the mail I receive. And honestly, that I’m so fed up with these other tenants literally not knowing how to be adults and my landlord and property managers not doing anything about things I feel they are responsible for. Also for reference, because it alters my own judgement of the situation so I feel it is relevant to the story for others. The downstairs tenants smoke crack and are pill addicts and alcoholics. Multiple physical fights between the mother and daughter. The upstairs tenant is sleeping with the underage daughter that lives downstairs that can’t keep her hands out of my mailbox and also recently opened one of my packages.
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kp5zdk | legaladvice_train | 0.91 | Neighboring tenant will not stop going through our mailbox. I thought I could get a lot of good feedback here since this covers two legal areas, laws about mailboxes and landlords legal responsibilities. We live in a house split into 3 units. The front shared porch is where all 3 separate mailboxes are located. Stacked on top of each other, matching what floor each apartment is on. Our mailbox is the middle box. Flip top mailbox. Ours is labeled with our names. The other two tenants aren’t. I had to contact our property manager (who is just slightlllyyy less of a deadbeat as far as dealing with having renters than our landlord) last month because the upstairs tenant never removed any mail from his box except for what he wanted. So the box was completely overflowing which lead to mail being put in our box constantly. It took 3 and a half weeks for the landlord/property manager duo to make him remove the mail from the box...which is now laying on the ground shoved under a chair on the shared porch in a garbage bag. He literally did not understand the 3 notices he was given by the property manager that “removing mail from his mailbox” didn’t just mean mail addressed to him. During that time period, we installed a security camera with live feed and recording. Which revealed that the upstairs tenant was never locking the door into our shared entry way and the downstairs tenant digging through our mailbox daily and now today, removing two pieces of mail. On camera. I have contacted the property manager and landlord with no response to the mail incident today. Last week I had to contact them after placing a written note on the front door for the second time for the upstairs tenant to please lock the door. The note was ripped down. Today, Ive also requested locking mailboxes to be installed immediately to both the landlord and property manager. Legally where am I at here? I do not know who the mail was addressed to the downstairs tenant took. It’s more the principal that I do not want anyone going through the mail I receive. And honestly, that I’m so fed up with these other tenants literally not knowing how to be adults and my landlord and property managers not doing anything about things I feel they are responsible for. Also for reference, because it alters my own judgement of the situation so I feel it is relevant to the story for others. The downstairs tenants smoke crack and are pill addicts and alcoholics. Multiple physical fights between the mother and daughter. The upstairs tenant is sleeping with the underage daughter that lives downstairs that can’t keep her hands out of my mailbox and also recently opened one of my packages. | ghvvsh3 | ghv48np | 1,609,637,024 | 1,609,622,379 | 20 | 2 | A PO box can cost as little as \~$10/month. Surely, it's unfair that you would need to pay your way out of a situation that wasn't of your making. But if you get a PO box at least the problem will be solved and behind you for good. | ---
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> I thought I could get a lot of good feedback here since this covers two legal areas, laws about mailboxes and landlords legal responsibilities. We live in a house split into 3 units. The front shared porch is where all 3 separate mailboxes are located. Stacked on top of each other, matching what floor each apartment is on. Our mailbox is the middle box. Flip top mailbox. Ours is labeled with our names. The other two tenants aren’t. I had to contact our property manager (who is just slightlllyyy less of a deadbeat as far as dealing with having renters than our landlord) last month because the upstairs tenant never removed any mail from his box except for what he wanted. So the box was completely overflowing which lead to mail being put in our box constantly. It took 3 and a half weeks for the landlord/property manager duo to make him remove the mail from the box...which is now laying on the ground shoved under a chair on the shared porch in a garbage bag. He literally did not understand the 3 notices he was given by the property manager that “removing mail from his mailbox” didn’t just mean mail addressed to him. During that time period, we installed a security camera with live feed and recording. Which revealed that the upstairs tenant was never locking the door into our shared entry way and the downstairs tenant digging through our mailbox daily and now today, removing two pieces of mail. On camera. I have contacted the property manager and landlord with no response to the mail incident today. Last week I had to contact them after placing a written note on the front door for the second time for the upstairs tenant to please lock the door. The note was ripped down. Today, Ive also requested locking mailboxes to be installed immediately to both the landlord and property manager. Legally where am I at here? I do not know who the mail was addressed to the downstairs tenant took. It’s more the principal that I do not want anyone going through the mail I receive. And honestly, that I’m so fed up with these other tenants literally not knowing how to be adults and my landlord and property managers not doing anything about things I feel they are responsible for. Also for reference, because it alters my own judgement of the situation so I feel it is relevant to the story for others. The downstairs tenants smoke crack and are pill addicts and alcoholics. Multiple physical fights between the mother and daughter. The upstairs tenant is sleeping with the underage daughter that lives downstairs that can’t keep her hands out of my mailbox and also recently opened one of my packages.
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q18gn8 | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Insurance stopped coverage but continued taking payments for over a year, will not give refund, no lawyers will take this case The company I worked for Atwood Oceanics (for over 34 years) was acquitted by Ensco in October 2017. Upon my termination I was informed that because of my age (55) at that time I was eligible to have Cobra insurance until I could collect Medicare or acquired other insurance. I went to the doctor August 3, 2021 for a COVID test, only to be told that I did not have insurance. Since the premiums have been taken from my checking account every month I assumed that I had coverage. Upon further investigation I found that Blue Cross/Blue Shield said my coverage ended April 2020, because Cobra only goes for 17 months. I did have someone that I talked to verify that my files showed I could have extended coverage. Since August 4, I have talked with BC/BS and WEX (the company that withdraws the premiums from my account and pays BC/BS. Blue Cross says it’s WEX’s problem, WEX says it is Blue Cross problem. I have documented my calls to each, the person I spoke with, I have back statements showing the premiums being withdrawn, the website picture showing coverage ended April 2020. Now when I call WEX they take my information, put me on hold and then every time they disconnect the call. I’m beyond upset how a company can have over $8,000.00, it’s causing health issues (which I can’t go to a dr because I don’t have coverage). The latest email WEX sent me stated that “We are unable to issue a refund backdated all the way to May of 2020. At this time, you are only able to terminate coverage for 9/30/2021. We would only be able to issue a refund for October …..”. Well, I put a stop on them withdrawing any more funds from my bank. If, both companies thought that my coverage ended April 2020 then why did the continually take premiums out. I’ve tried 3 lawyers so far and no one will help me. This is beyond upsetting because I can’t afford to just lose $8,000.00+, as I’m no longer employed and my husband lost his job last year. | hfdkp8l | hfdf83b | 1,633,369,622 | 1,633,367,574 | 828 | 192 | COBRA benefits usually fall under ERISA, so complaints would be directed to the Department of Labor. Last time I called the DOL about a pts insurance problems I called 877.693.5236 and was routed to a very helpful person who is going to bat for my patient, so have the pt call that number and discuss it with the rep you get if this plan falls under ERISA. | Your contract was with blue cross, now WEX. they can deal with WEX, that's not your problem. Blue cross knew your premiums were coming in, they chose not to stop them, or didn't have processes in place. Regardless, they didn't provide the service you'd paid for, therefore you are entitled to a refund. Remember, you deal with who you contracted with. Anything in between is their problem. It may also be possible to claim it as fraud, seeing as it was money obtained under false pretences. | 1 | 2,048 | 4.3125 |
q18gn8 | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Insurance stopped coverage but continued taking payments for over a year, will not give refund, no lawyers will take this case The company I worked for Atwood Oceanics (for over 34 years) was acquitted by Ensco in October 2017. Upon my termination I was informed that because of my age (55) at that time I was eligible to have Cobra insurance until I could collect Medicare or acquired other insurance. I went to the doctor August 3, 2021 for a COVID test, only to be told that I did not have insurance. Since the premiums have been taken from my checking account every month I assumed that I had coverage. Upon further investigation I found that Blue Cross/Blue Shield said my coverage ended April 2020, because Cobra only goes for 17 months. I did have someone that I talked to verify that my files showed I could have extended coverage. Since August 4, I have talked with BC/BS and WEX (the company that withdraws the premiums from my account and pays BC/BS. Blue Cross says it’s WEX’s problem, WEX says it is Blue Cross problem. I have documented my calls to each, the person I spoke with, I have back statements showing the premiums being withdrawn, the website picture showing coverage ended April 2020. Now when I call WEX they take my information, put me on hold and then every time they disconnect the call. I’m beyond upset how a company can have over $8,000.00, it’s causing health issues (which I can’t go to a dr because I don’t have coverage). The latest email WEX sent me stated that “We are unable to issue a refund backdated all the way to May of 2020. At this time, you are only able to terminate coverage for 9/30/2021. We would only be able to issue a refund for October …..”. Well, I put a stop on them withdrawing any more funds from my bank. If, both companies thought that my coverage ended April 2020 then why did the continually take premiums out. I’ve tried 3 lawyers so far and no one will help me. This is beyond upsetting because I can’t afford to just lose $8,000.00+, as I’m no longer employed and my husband lost his job last year. | hfdw6w2 | hfdot8u | 1,633,373,877 | 1,633,371,143 | 44 | 8 | Definitely contact your state's insurance commission (as u/StarAnchorFire suggested) as well as the DOL (as u/DishwaterBukkake suggested). In addition to finding out about why your coverage was lapsed, you also need to ask about being able to enroll in new insurance, as you are not currently in an open enrollment period. If you don't hear anything back within 3-5 days, contact your state rep/senator as well as your US Rep/Senator. Even if you are eligible for COBRA and to get your coverage reinstated, you may want to check to see the cost of insurance through your state's insurance exchange (especially if your husband lost his job). You may be eligible for lower-cost insurance via ACA subsidies. I would start investigating now, so you can have all your options on the table once you get an answer back from the state insurance commission and/or the DOL. | Assuming the payments were taken from a bank account can you raise it with the bank? I'm not sure if this would come under a fraud claim because they carried on taking payment on a cancelled policy. | 1 | 2,734 | 5.5 |
q18gn8 | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Insurance stopped coverage but continued taking payments for over a year, will not give refund, no lawyers will take this case The company I worked for Atwood Oceanics (for over 34 years) was acquitted by Ensco in October 2017. Upon my termination I was informed that because of my age (55) at that time I was eligible to have Cobra insurance until I could collect Medicare or acquired other insurance. I went to the doctor August 3, 2021 for a COVID test, only to be told that I did not have insurance. Since the premiums have been taken from my checking account every month I assumed that I had coverage. Upon further investigation I found that Blue Cross/Blue Shield said my coverage ended April 2020, because Cobra only goes for 17 months. I did have someone that I talked to verify that my files showed I could have extended coverage. Since August 4, I have talked with BC/BS and WEX (the company that withdraws the premiums from my account and pays BC/BS. Blue Cross says it’s WEX’s problem, WEX says it is Blue Cross problem. I have documented my calls to each, the person I spoke with, I have back statements showing the premiums being withdrawn, the website picture showing coverage ended April 2020. Now when I call WEX they take my information, put me on hold and then every time they disconnect the call. I’m beyond upset how a company can have over $8,000.00, it’s causing health issues (which I can’t go to a dr because I don’t have coverage). The latest email WEX sent me stated that “We are unable to issue a refund backdated all the way to May of 2020. At this time, you are only able to terminate coverage for 9/30/2021. We would only be able to issue a refund for October …..”. Well, I put a stop on them withdrawing any more funds from my bank. If, both companies thought that my coverage ended April 2020 then why did the continually take premiums out. I’ve tried 3 lawyers so far and no one will help me. This is beyond upsetting because I can’t afford to just lose $8,000.00+, as I’m no longer employed and my husband lost his job last year. | hfecrfd | hfdot8u | 1,633,379,919 | 1,633,371,143 | 38 | 8 | Here is a link to DOL FAQ about COBRA. Your past employer is responsible for keeping you updated regarding COBRA administrator info/changes. Not sure what state your employer is headquartered out of, but look for BCBS Employer portal, known as BAE (Blue Access for Employers) and will look something like this. You'll notice that BCBS is NOT responsible for the administration of COBRA per the initial COBRA notice ...which also gives contact info for is you have COBRA questions. Definitely speak with a health insurance attorney. | Assuming the payments were taken from a bank account can you raise it with the bank? I'm not sure if this would come under a fraud claim because they carried on taking payment on a cancelled policy. | 1 | 8,776 | 4.75 |
q18gn8 | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Insurance stopped coverage but continued taking payments for over a year, will not give refund, no lawyers will take this case The company I worked for Atwood Oceanics (for over 34 years) was acquitted by Ensco in October 2017. Upon my termination I was informed that because of my age (55) at that time I was eligible to have Cobra insurance until I could collect Medicare or acquired other insurance. I went to the doctor August 3, 2021 for a COVID test, only to be told that I did not have insurance. Since the premiums have been taken from my checking account every month I assumed that I had coverage. Upon further investigation I found that Blue Cross/Blue Shield said my coverage ended April 2020, because Cobra only goes for 17 months. I did have someone that I talked to verify that my files showed I could have extended coverage. Since August 4, I have talked with BC/BS and WEX (the company that withdraws the premiums from my account and pays BC/BS. Blue Cross says it’s WEX’s problem, WEX says it is Blue Cross problem. I have documented my calls to each, the person I spoke with, I have back statements showing the premiums being withdrawn, the website picture showing coverage ended April 2020. Now when I call WEX they take my information, put me on hold and then every time they disconnect the call. I’m beyond upset how a company can have over $8,000.00, it’s causing health issues (which I can’t go to a dr because I don’t have coverage). The latest email WEX sent me stated that “We are unable to issue a refund backdated all the way to May of 2020. At this time, you are only able to terminate coverage for 9/30/2021. We would only be able to issue a refund for October …..”. Well, I put a stop on them withdrawing any more funds from my bank. If, both companies thought that my coverage ended April 2020 then why did the continually take premiums out. I’ve tried 3 lawyers so far and no one will help me. This is beyond upsetting because I can’t afford to just lose $8,000.00+, as I’m no longer employed and my husband lost his job last year. | hfdot8u | hfed9x3 | 1,633,371,143 | 1,633,380,107 | 8 | 36 | Assuming the payments were taken from a bank account can you raise it with the bank? I'm not sure if this would come under a fraud claim because they carried on taking payment on a cancelled policy. | Demand letters tend to work wonders. Who have you actually been paying? Eg. If the drafts from your account say BCBS, then you have been paying BCBS and WEX is processing this payment. Send a demand letter asking for "$8,000 (or however much the total is) at this time." State that if you need to proceed further, that amount will go up. I would also ask that all further communications be in writing. This prevents you having to record phone calls and helps ensure they do everything by the book. You are entitled to a full refund and should not need to pay lawyers fees to make this happen. Not a lawyer, but I encountered a similar scenario with an ultra-large company several years ago. Everything was resolved in about 2 weeks with a demand letter, a phone call from them where I refused to talk and simply said I was happy to communicate in writing, and a few emails. | 0 | 8,964 | 4.5 |
7hrxnt | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | I've received a bogus invoice from my Uncle's business because I refused to take his son on a road trip at the last minute to meet a cruise ship. **The backstory part** My aunt and uncle have always been pushy people and their son (my cousin, but family stresses don't have me relating to him in any way) is a 19 year old painful entitled arse I never had much to do with personally. I'd been planning a road trip from Sydney to Townsville for a while, and I posted details on facebook of when I was leaving in September this year. Aunt and Uncle caught wind of this and asked if I'd take their son with me, and drop him off in Brisbane in time to catch a cruise. I said no at first, but after a few pushy phonecalls from them I said I'd do it but I laid out conditions that he had to keep the attitude down. They know as well as anyone what he's like, and they promised he'd behave, so I agreed to take him. My mistake agreeing to that. On the morning I had to leave I packed and went to pick up their son from their house. He was still asleep and hadn't even begun to pack. After 2 hours of waiting and putting my schedule behind, we got going on the road. We didn't get 20km before he'd insulted me about my weight, spat chewing gum out the window, and jammed his feet with shoes up on the dash. The whole reason for my road trip was to stretch the legs of my car, and it's a cheap but fun sort-of-classic I'm attached to. He'd already scored the dashtop with his feet when I pulled over, laid into him about feet on the dash, and I snapped when he came back with "babe, if you want this to be painless for the both of us you need to get the stick out of your arse". So I turned around, and suffered 20 minutes of abuse before getting him back home, all the time with him threatening me with how pissed his dad was going to be. After some trouble getting him out of the car when he was back home, I left him and his baggage in their driveway and went off on my trip. **The legal part** I've now been back a fortnight, and yesterday morning I received an invoice from my uncle's business for a total of $9200 for 'Travel', and a final notice warning that it would be sent to collections if it wasn't immediately paid. I phoned my uncle and he broke it down that they'd tried to get their son on a flight to Brisbane but he never got on it and bummed about with friends locally without them knowing, and wasted opportunities they'd organised for him on the cruise. I'm beyond annoyed and told him to jam it, posted a scan of the invoice on Facebook with the background story, and I've received nasty emails from both my aunt and uncle (I refuse to take their calls) threatening me to take it down, and also to pay it or he *will* send it to collections. Obviously it's not a legally valid invoice, even though as far as I can tell it's a regular normal looking invoice his business would send out, but what can I do here that'll quickly get him off my back? It wouldn't surprise me if he did try to send it to collections if I don't do anything. For all the stupidity of that act, which I'm sure can get him in deep trouble if I pushed back legally, he's knowledgeable of the law and I think he's expecting to take advantage of my lack of legal knowledge to make me pay. Is there a law I can quickly quote back at him in reference to the invalid invoice and fraud, without me going straight to a lawyer of my own, or would should I get a lawyer to fire back so he backs down? The cost of that would hit me hard at the moment but if I have to I have to. | dqtarae | dqti9p6 | 1,512,500,863 | 1,512,507,961 | 1,942 | 3,064 | Tell them to fuck off. If they do send it to collections, ask the collector to validate to debt to you. If you get sued, show up to court. What's your location exactly? | OP, another Australian here. I suggest you check out your local Office of Fair Trading. That's where I would start with fake business invoices as I think this falls under the category of consumer fraud. Their whole reaction demonstrates exactly where their arsehole son got his attitude. | 0 | 7,098 | 1.577755 |
7hrxnt | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | I've received a bogus invoice from my Uncle's business because I refused to take his son on a road trip at the last minute to meet a cruise ship. **The backstory part** My aunt and uncle have always been pushy people and their son (my cousin, but family stresses don't have me relating to him in any way) is a 19 year old painful entitled arse I never had much to do with personally. I'd been planning a road trip from Sydney to Townsville for a while, and I posted details on facebook of when I was leaving in September this year. Aunt and Uncle caught wind of this and asked if I'd take their son with me, and drop him off in Brisbane in time to catch a cruise. I said no at first, but after a few pushy phonecalls from them I said I'd do it but I laid out conditions that he had to keep the attitude down. They know as well as anyone what he's like, and they promised he'd behave, so I agreed to take him. My mistake agreeing to that. On the morning I had to leave I packed and went to pick up their son from their house. He was still asleep and hadn't even begun to pack. After 2 hours of waiting and putting my schedule behind, we got going on the road. We didn't get 20km before he'd insulted me about my weight, spat chewing gum out the window, and jammed his feet with shoes up on the dash. The whole reason for my road trip was to stretch the legs of my car, and it's a cheap but fun sort-of-classic I'm attached to. He'd already scored the dashtop with his feet when I pulled over, laid into him about feet on the dash, and I snapped when he came back with "babe, if you want this to be painless for the both of us you need to get the stick out of your arse". So I turned around, and suffered 20 minutes of abuse before getting him back home, all the time with him threatening me with how pissed his dad was going to be. After some trouble getting him out of the car when he was back home, I left him and his baggage in their driveway and went off on my trip. **The legal part** I've now been back a fortnight, and yesterday morning I received an invoice from my uncle's business for a total of $9200 for 'Travel', and a final notice warning that it would be sent to collections if it wasn't immediately paid. I phoned my uncle and he broke it down that they'd tried to get their son on a flight to Brisbane but he never got on it and bummed about with friends locally without them knowing, and wasted opportunities they'd organised for him on the cruise. I'm beyond annoyed and told him to jam it, posted a scan of the invoice on Facebook with the background story, and I've received nasty emails from both my aunt and uncle (I refuse to take their calls) threatening me to take it down, and also to pay it or he *will* send it to collections. Obviously it's not a legally valid invoice, even though as far as I can tell it's a regular normal looking invoice his business would send out, but what can I do here that'll quickly get him off my back? It wouldn't surprise me if he did try to send it to collections if I don't do anything. For all the stupidity of that act, which I'm sure can get him in deep trouble if I pushed back legally, he's knowledgeable of the law and I think he's expecting to take advantage of my lack of legal knowledge to make me pay. Is there a law I can quickly quote back at him in reference to the invalid invoice and fraud, without me going straight to a lawyer of my own, or would should I get a lawyer to fire back so he backs down? The cost of that would hit me hard at the moment but if I have to I have to. | dqtc1hd | dqti9p6 | 1,512,502,093 | 1,512,507,961 | 1,581 | 3,064 | This sand, he can pound it. If your dumbass relatives want to involve their business in fraud by trying to bill you for this they can. It will end badly for them. NSW Fair Trading seems to be interested in fraudulent invoices. Seriously, this isn't just a "You owe me this money or I'll sue you!" threat. If Uncle uses his business to create a bogus invoice and sends it to collections that's criminal fraud. I don't care what he **thinks** he knows, that's gonna be bad. | OP, another Australian here. I suggest you check out your local Office of Fair Trading. That's where I would start with fake business invoices as I think this falls under the category of consumer fraud. Their whole reaction demonstrates exactly where their arsehole son got his attitude. | 0 | 5,868 | 1.938014 |
7hrxnt | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | I've received a bogus invoice from my Uncle's business because I refused to take his son on a road trip at the last minute to meet a cruise ship. **The backstory part** My aunt and uncle have always been pushy people and their son (my cousin, but family stresses don't have me relating to him in any way) is a 19 year old painful entitled arse I never had much to do with personally. I'd been planning a road trip from Sydney to Townsville for a while, and I posted details on facebook of when I was leaving in September this year. Aunt and Uncle caught wind of this and asked if I'd take their son with me, and drop him off in Brisbane in time to catch a cruise. I said no at first, but after a few pushy phonecalls from them I said I'd do it but I laid out conditions that he had to keep the attitude down. They know as well as anyone what he's like, and they promised he'd behave, so I agreed to take him. My mistake agreeing to that. On the morning I had to leave I packed and went to pick up their son from their house. He was still asleep and hadn't even begun to pack. After 2 hours of waiting and putting my schedule behind, we got going on the road. We didn't get 20km before he'd insulted me about my weight, spat chewing gum out the window, and jammed his feet with shoes up on the dash. The whole reason for my road trip was to stretch the legs of my car, and it's a cheap but fun sort-of-classic I'm attached to. He'd already scored the dashtop with his feet when I pulled over, laid into him about feet on the dash, and I snapped when he came back with "babe, if you want this to be painless for the both of us you need to get the stick out of your arse". So I turned around, and suffered 20 minutes of abuse before getting him back home, all the time with him threatening me with how pissed his dad was going to be. After some trouble getting him out of the car when he was back home, I left him and his baggage in their driveway and went off on my trip. **The legal part** I've now been back a fortnight, and yesterday morning I received an invoice from my uncle's business for a total of $9200 for 'Travel', and a final notice warning that it would be sent to collections if it wasn't immediately paid. I phoned my uncle and he broke it down that they'd tried to get their son on a flight to Brisbane but he never got on it and bummed about with friends locally without them knowing, and wasted opportunities they'd organised for him on the cruise. I'm beyond annoyed and told him to jam it, posted a scan of the invoice on Facebook with the background story, and I've received nasty emails from both my aunt and uncle (I refuse to take their calls) threatening me to take it down, and also to pay it or he *will* send it to collections. Obviously it's not a legally valid invoice, even though as far as I can tell it's a regular normal looking invoice his business would send out, but what can I do here that'll quickly get him off my back? It wouldn't surprise me if he did try to send it to collections if I don't do anything. For all the stupidity of that act, which I'm sure can get him in deep trouble if I pushed back legally, he's knowledgeable of the law and I think he's expecting to take advantage of my lack of legal knowledge to make me pay. Is there a law I can quickly quote back at him in reference to the invalid invoice and fraud, without me going straight to a lawyer of my own, or would should I get a lawyer to fire back so he backs down? The cost of that would hit me hard at the moment but if I have to I have to. | dqtclhu | dqti9p6 | 1,512,502,624 | 1,512,507,961 | 1,195 | 3,064 | > they'd tried to get their son on a flight to Brisbane but he never got on it and bummed about with friends locally without them knowing, and wasted opportunities they'd organised for him on the cruise. That is 100% not your problem. It's not even their son's problem: if he didn't take the flight and the cruise his parents paid for, nobody is entitled to a refund. Their son wasted the tickets, and neither the travel providers, nor their son, nor you, owe them their money back. If they send the bill to collections, dispute the debt. If you're sued, this is a large enough amount of money that getting a lawyer's input is worthwhile, but if they persist you may be able to countersue for costs: there are plenty of ways to file suit over this that are obviously frivolous. It's fairly clear where their son _learned_ his entitled ways. | OP, another Australian here. I suggest you check out your local Office of Fair Trading. That's where I would start with fake business invoices as I think this falls under the category of consumer fraud. Their whole reaction demonstrates exactly where their arsehole son got his attitude. | 0 | 5,337 | 2.564017 |
7hrxnt | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | I've received a bogus invoice from my Uncle's business because I refused to take his son on a road trip at the last minute to meet a cruise ship. **The backstory part** My aunt and uncle have always been pushy people and their son (my cousin, but family stresses don't have me relating to him in any way) is a 19 year old painful entitled arse I never had much to do with personally. I'd been planning a road trip from Sydney to Townsville for a while, and I posted details on facebook of when I was leaving in September this year. Aunt and Uncle caught wind of this and asked if I'd take their son with me, and drop him off in Brisbane in time to catch a cruise. I said no at first, but after a few pushy phonecalls from them I said I'd do it but I laid out conditions that he had to keep the attitude down. They know as well as anyone what he's like, and they promised he'd behave, so I agreed to take him. My mistake agreeing to that. On the morning I had to leave I packed and went to pick up their son from their house. He was still asleep and hadn't even begun to pack. After 2 hours of waiting and putting my schedule behind, we got going on the road. We didn't get 20km before he'd insulted me about my weight, spat chewing gum out the window, and jammed his feet with shoes up on the dash. The whole reason for my road trip was to stretch the legs of my car, and it's a cheap but fun sort-of-classic I'm attached to. He'd already scored the dashtop with his feet when I pulled over, laid into him about feet on the dash, and I snapped when he came back with "babe, if you want this to be painless for the both of us you need to get the stick out of your arse". So I turned around, and suffered 20 minutes of abuse before getting him back home, all the time with him threatening me with how pissed his dad was going to be. After some trouble getting him out of the car when he was back home, I left him and his baggage in their driveway and went off on my trip. **The legal part** I've now been back a fortnight, and yesterday morning I received an invoice from my uncle's business for a total of $9200 for 'Travel', and a final notice warning that it would be sent to collections if it wasn't immediately paid. I phoned my uncle and he broke it down that they'd tried to get their son on a flight to Brisbane but he never got on it and bummed about with friends locally without them knowing, and wasted opportunities they'd organised for him on the cruise. I'm beyond annoyed and told him to jam it, posted a scan of the invoice on Facebook with the background story, and I've received nasty emails from both my aunt and uncle (I refuse to take their calls) threatening me to take it down, and also to pay it or he *will* send it to collections. Obviously it's not a legally valid invoice, even though as far as I can tell it's a regular normal looking invoice his business would send out, but what can I do here that'll quickly get him off my back? It wouldn't surprise me if he did try to send it to collections if I don't do anything. For all the stupidity of that act, which I'm sure can get him in deep trouble if I pushed back legally, he's knowledgeable of the law and I think he's expecting to take advantage of my lack of legal knowledge to make me pay. Is there a law I can quickly quote back at him in reference to the invalid invoice and fraud, without me going straight to a lawyer of my own, or would should I get a lawyer to fire back so he backs down? The cost of that would hit me hard at the moment but if I have to I have to. | dqtawge | dqti9p6 | 1,512,501,003 | 1,512,507,961 | 439 | 3,064 | Tell your aunt and uncle to ram that invoice right up their asses. If you do get sent to collections, lawyer up. You will win this case since you can prove that the invoice is fake, which could probably ruin his business. In the mean time, you should write up an invoice with costs of the damages to your dashtop and send it to them lol | OP, another Australian here. I suggest you check out your local Office of Fair Trading. That's where I would start with fake business invoices as I think this falls under the category of consumer fraud. Their whole reaction demonstrates exactly where their arsehole son got his attitude. | 0 | 6,958 | 6.979499 |
7hrxnt | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | I've received a bogus invoice from my Uncle's business because I refused to take his son on a road trip at the last minute to meet a cruise ship. **The backstory part** My aunt and uncle have always been pushy people and their son (my cousin, but family stresses don't have me relating to him in any way) is a 19 year old painful entitled arse I never had much to do with personally. I'd been planning a road trip from Sydney to Townsville for a while, and I posted details on facebook of when I was leaving in September this year. Aunt and Uncle caught wind of this and asked if I'd take their son with me, and drop him off in Brisbane in time to catch a cruise. I said no at first, but after a few pushy phonecalls from them I said I'd do it but I laid out conditions that he had to keep the attitude down. They know as well as anyone what he's like, and they promised he'd behave, so I agreed to take him. My mistake agreeing to that. On the morning I had to leave I packed and went to pick up their son from their house. He was still asleep and hadn't even begun to pack. After 2 hours of waiting and putting my schedule behind, we got going on the road. We didn't get 20km before he'd insulted me about my weight, spat chewing gum out the window, and jammed his feet with shoes up on the dash. The whole reason for my road trip was to stretch the legs of my car, and it's a cheap but fun sort-of-classic I'm attached to. He'd already scored the dashtop with his feet when I pulled over, laid into him about feet on the dash, and I snapped when he came back with "babe, if you want this to be painless for the both of us you need to get the stick out of your arse". So I turned around, and suffered 20 minutes of abuse before getting him back home, all the time with him threatening me with how pissed his dad was going to be. After some trouble getting him out of the car when he was back home, I left him and his baggage in their driveway and went off on my trip. **The legal part** I've now been back a fortnight, and yesterday morning I received an invoice from my uncle's business for a total of $9200 for 'Travel', and a final notice warning that it would be sent to collections if it wasn't immediately paid. I phoned my uncle and he broke it down that they'd tried to get their son on a flight to Brisbane but he never got on it and bummed about with friends locally without them knowing, and wasted opportunities they'd organised for him on the cruise. I'm beyond annoyed and told him to jam it, posted a scan of the invoice on Facebook with the background story, and I've received nasty emails from both my aunt and uncle (I refuse to take their calls) threatening me to take it down, and also to pay it or he *will* send it to collections. Obviously it's not a legally valid invoice, even though as far as I can tell it's a regular normal looking invoice his business would send out, but what can I do here that'll quickly get him off my back? It wouldn't surprise me if he did try to send it to collections if I don't do anything. For all the stupidity of that act, which I'm sure can get him in deep trouble if I pushed back legally, he's knowledgeable of the law and I think he's expecting to take advantage of my lack of legal knowledge to make me pay. Is there a law I can quickly quote back at him in reference to the invalid invoice and fraud, without me going straight to a lawyer of my own, or would should I get a lawyer to fire back so he backs down? The cost of that would hit me hard at the moment but if I have to I have to. | dqtc1hd | dqtawge | 1,512,502,093 | 1,512,501,003 | 1,581 | 439 | This sand, he can pound it. If your dumbass relatives want to involve their business in fraud by trying to bill you for this they can. It will end badly for them. NSW Fair Trading seems to be interested in fraudulent invoices. Seriously, this isn't just a "You owe me this money or I'll sue you!" threat. If Uncle uses his business to create a bogus invoice and sends it to collections that's criminal fraud. I don't care what he **thinks** he knows, that's gonna be bad. | Tell your aunt and uncle to ram that invoice right up their asses. If you do get sent to collections, lawyer up. You will win this case since you can prove that the invoice is fake, which could probably ruin his business. In the mean time, you should write up an invoice with costs of the damages to your dashtop and send it to them lol | 1 | 1,090 | 3.601367 |
7hrxnt | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | I've received a bogus invoice from my Uncle's business because I refused to take his son on a road trip at the last minute to meet a cruise ship. **The backstory part** My aunt and uncle have always been pushy people and their son (my cousin, but family stresses don't have me relating to him in any way) is a 19 year old painful entitled arse I never had much to do with personally. I'd been planning a road trip from Sydney to Townsville for a while, and I posted details on facebook of when I was leaving in September this year. Aunt and Uncle caught wind of this and asked if I'd take their son with me, and drop him off in Brisbane in time to catch a cruise. I said no at first, but after a few pushy phonecalls from them I said I'd do it but I laid out conditions that he had to keep the attitude down. They know as well as anyone what he's like, and they promised he'd behave, so I agreed to take him. My mistake agreeing to that. On the morning I had to leave I packed and went to pick up their son from their house. He was still asleep and hadn't even begun to pack. After 2 hours of waiting and putting my schedule behind, we got going on the road. We didn't get 20km before he'd insulted me about my weight, spat chewing gum out the window, and jammed his feet with shoes up on the dash. The whole reason for my road trip was to stretch the legs of my car, and it's a cheap but fun sort-of-classic I'm attached to. He'd already scored the dashtop with his feet when I pulled over, laid into him about feet on the dash, and I snapped when he came back with "babe, if you want this to be painless for the both of us you need to get the stick out of your arse". So I turned around, and suffered 20 minutes of abuse before getting him back home, all the time with him threatening me with how pissed his dad was going to be. After some trouble getting him out of the car when he was back home, I left him and his baggage in their driveway and went off on my trip. **The legal part** I've now been back a fortnight, and yesterday morning I received an invoice from my uncle's business for a total of $9200 for 'Travel', and a final notice warning that it would be sent to collections if it wasn't immediately paid. I phoned my uncle and he broke it down that they'd tried to get their son on a flight to Brisbane but he never got on it and bummed about with friends locally without them knowing, and wasted opportunities they'd organised for him on the cruise. I'm beyond annoyed and told him to jam it, posted a scan of the invoice on Facebook with the background story, and I've received nasty emails from both my aunt and uncle (I refuse to take their calls) threatening me to take it down, and also to pay it or he *will* send it to collections. Obviously it's not a legally valid invoice, even though as far as I can tell it's a regular normal looking invoice his business would send out, but what can I do here that'll quickly get him off my back? It wouldn't surprise me if he did try to send it to collections if I don't do anything. For all the stupidity of that act, which I'm sure can get him in deep trouble if I pushed back legally, he's knowledgeable of the law and I think he's expecting to take advantage of my lack of legal knowledge to make me pay. Is there a law I can quickly quote back at him in reference to the invalid invoice and fraud, without me going straight to a lawyer of my own, or would should I get a lawyer to fire back so he backs down? The cost of that would hit me hard at the moment but if I have to I have to. | dqtclhu | dqtawge | 1,512,502,624 | 1,512,501,003 | 1,195 | 439 | > they'd tried to get their son on a flight to Brisbane but he never got on it and bummed about with friends locally without them knowing, and wasted opportunities they'd organised for him on the cruise. That is 100% not your problem. It's not even their son's problem: if he didn't take the flight and the cruise his parents paid for, nobody is entitled to a refund. Their son wasted the tickets, and neither the travel providers, nor their son, nor you, owe them their money back. If they send the bill to collections, dispute the debt. If you're sued, this is a large enough amount of money that getting a lawyer's input is worthwhile, but if they persist you may be able to countersue for costs: there are plenty of ways to file suit over this that are obviously frivolous. It's fairly clear where their son _learned_ his entitled ways. | Tell your aunt and uncle to ram that invoice right up their asses. If you do get sent to collections, lawyer up. You will win this case since you can prove that the invoice is fake, which could probably ruin his business. In the mean time, you should write up an invoice with costs of the damages to your dashtop and send it to them lol | 1 | 1,621 | 2.722096 |
7hrxnt | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | I've received a bogus invoice from my Uncle's business because I refused to take his son on a road trip at the last minute to meet a cruise ship. **The backstory part** My aunt and uncle have always been pushy people and their son (my cousin, but family stresses don't have me relating to him in any way) is a 19 year old painful entitled arse I never had much to do with personally. I'd been planning a road trip from Sydney to Townsville for a while, and I posted details on facebook of when I was leaving in September this year. Aunt and Uncle caught wind of this and asked if I'd take their son with me, and drop him off in Brisbane in time to catch a cruise. I said no at first, but after a few pushy phonecalls from them I said I'd do it but I laid out conditions that he had to keep the attitude down. They know as well as anyone what he's like, and they promised he'd behave, so I agreed to take him. My mistake agreeing to that. On the morning I had to leave I packed and went to pick up their son from their house. He was still asleep and hadn't even begun to pack. After 2 hours of waiting and putting my schedule behind, we got going on the road. We didn't get 20km before he'd insulted me about my weight, spat chewing gum out the window, and jammed his feet with shoes up on the dash. The whole reason for my road trip was to stretch the legs of my car, and it's a cheap but fun sort-of-classic I'm attached to. He'd already scored the dashtop with his feet when I pulled over, laid into him about feet on the dash, and I snapped when he came back with "babe, if you want this to be painless for the both of us you need to get the stick out of your arse". So I turned around, and suffered 20 minutes of abuse before getting him back home, all the time with him threatening me with how pissed his dad was going to be. After some trouble getting him out of the car when he was back home, I left him and his baggage in their driveway and went off on my trip. **The legal part** I've now been back a fortnight, and yesterday morning I received an invoice from my uncle's business for a total of $9200 for 'Travel', and a final notice warning that it would be sent to collections if it wasn't immediately paid. I phoned my uncle and he broke it down that they'd tried to get their son on a flight to Brisbane but he never got on it and bummed about with friends locally without them knowing, and wasted opportunities they'd organised for him on the cruise. I'm beyond annoyed and told him to jam it, posted a scan of the invoice on Facebook with the background story, and I've received nasty emails from both my aunt and uncle (I refuse to take their calls) threatening me to take it down, and also to pay it or he *will* send it to collections. Obviously it's not a legally valid invoice, even though as far as I can tell it's a regular normal looking invoice his business would send out, but what can I do here that'll quickly get him off my back? It wouldn't surprise me if he did try to send it to collections if I don't do anything. For all the stupidity of that act, which I'm sure can get him in deep trouble if I pushed back legally, he's knowledgeable of the law and I think he's expecting to take advantage of my lack of legal knowledge to make me pay. Is there a law I can quickly quote back at him in reference to the invalid invoice and fraud, without me going straight to a lawyer of my own, or would should I get a lawyer to fire back so he backs down? The cost of that would hit me hard at the moment but if I have to I have to. | dqtmd30 | dqtnjcb | 1,512,511,766 | 1,512,512,947 | 70 | 149 | I’m having trouble working it out in my head that this kid is 19 and NO ONE has even tried to straighten this little shit out!?!? I mean seriously what did his parents do to him? This seems like another case of “oops I killed some one because of affluence.” Seriously though, I work as a business banker in the states, I would say it’s pretty universal with creating fake invoices. That cruise is not and will never be a business expense unless he’s holding meetings with all in attendance at some pretty luxurious places. Contact a lawyer to write up a letter and send it to him stating fair trade and reporting laws and that if he doesn’t cease and desist further action will be taken. It should stop after that with scaring him. If not than your uncle is a fucking idiot or does some very shady dealings and knows how to cover his tracks. P.S. if that’s the case then I’d pay it, don’t get caught sleeping with the fishes. | I'm unfamiliar with Australian law and Not a lawyer elsewhere, but even if they're arguing that you had a binding oral contract, I suspect that you would just point out that the cousin breached that contract when he damaged your car and failed to keep the attitude down, resulting in its termination. You were kind enough to drive him home instead of leaving him on the side of the road where the deal had concluded. | 0 | 1,181 | 2.128571 |
7hrxnt | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | I've received a bogus invoice from my Uncle's business because I refused to take his son on a road trip at the last minute to meet a cruise ship. **The backstory part** My aunt and uncle have always been pushy people and their son (my cousin, but family stresses don't have me relating to him in any way) is a 19 year old painful entitled arse I never had much to do with personally. I'd been planning a road trip from Sydney to Townsville for a while, and I posted details on facebook of when I was leaving in September this year. Aunt and Uncle caught wind of this and asked if I'd take their son with me, and drop him off in Brisbane in time to catch a cruise. I said no at first, but after a few pushy phonecalls from them I said I'd do it but I laid out conditions that he had to keep the attitude down. They know as well as anyone what he's like, and they promised he'd behave, so I agreed to take him. My mistake agreeing to that. On the morning I had to leave I packed and went to pick up their son from their house. He was still asleep and hadn't even begun to pack. After 2 hours of waiting and putting my schedule behind, we got going on the road. We didn't get 20km before he'd insulted me about my weight, spat chewing gum out the window, and jammed his feet with shoes up on the dash. The whole reason for my road trip was to stretch the legs of my car, and it's a cheap but fun sort-of-classic I'm attached to. He'd already scored the dashtop with his feet when I pulled over, laid into him about feet on the dash, and I snapped when he came back with "babe, if you want this to be painless for the both of us you need to get the stick out of your arse". So I turned around, and suffered 20 minutes of abuse before getting him back home, all the time with him threatening me with how pissed his dad was going to be. After some trouble getting him out of the car when he was back home, I left him and his baggage in their driveway and went off on my trip. **The legal part** I've now been back a fortnight, and yesterday morning I received an invoice from my uncle's business for a total of $9200 for 'Travel', and a final notice warning that it would be sent to collections if it wasn't immediately paid. I phoned my uncle and he broke it down that they'd tried to get their son on a flight to Brisbane but he never got on it and bummed about with friends locally without them knowing, and wasted opportunities they'd organised for him on the cruise. I'm beyond annoyed and told him to jam it, posted a scan of the invoice on Facebook with the background story, and I've received nasty emails from both my aunt and uncle (I refuse to take their calls) threatening me to take it down, and also to pay it or he *will* send it to collections. Obviously it's not a legally valid invoice, even though as far as I can tell it's a regular normal looking invoice his business would send out, but what can I do here that'll quickly get him off my back? It wouldn't surprise me if he did try to send it to collections if I don't do anything. For all the stupidity of that act, which I'm sure can get him in deep trouble if I pushed back legally, he's knowledgeable of the law and I think he's expecting to take advantage of my lack of legal knowledge to make me pay. Is there a law I can quickly quote back at him in reference to the invalid invoice and fraud, without me going straight to a lawyer of my own, or would should I get a lawyer to fire back so he backs down? The cost of that would hit me hard at the moment but if I have to I have to. | dqtmd30 | dqtt4qa | 1,512,511,766 | 1,512,519,089 | 70 | 110 | I’m having trouble working it out in my head that this kid is 19 and NO ONE has even tried to straighten this little shit out!?!? I mean seriously what did his parents do to him? This seems like another case of “oops I killed some one because of affluence.” Seriously though, I work as a business banker in the states, I would say it’s pretty universal with creating fake invoices. That cruise is not and will never be a business expense unless he’s holding meetings with all in attendance at some pretty luxurious places. Contact a lawyer to write up a letter and send it to him stating fair trade and reporting laws and that if he doesn’t cease and desist further action will be taken. It should stop after that with scaring him. If not than your uncle is a fucking idiot or does some very shady dealings and knows how to cover his tracks. P.S. if that’s the case then I’d pay it, don’t get caught sleeping with the fishes. | Not a lawyer, just in business. Invoices generally require a signed contract showing you accepted the terms. Verbal contracts are a thing, but no judge would agree that you owe your uncle's *business* the cost of a missed trip or anything else. Maybe it would be different if he sued you in small claims for the amount that he paid you to take his son, but apparently that number is zero. In the United States, there is something called the "piercing the corporate veil" which means an owner is not personally liable for debts incurred by the business. This protection is forfeited if it can be proved that the owner is commingling personal and business expenses. It's a big, big deal. It would fit the definition if cousin's trip was paid for by the company, and they're arguing that you're liable to the business. Tell uncle that cousin owes you the cost to repair your car interior, and until he pays, the invoice, which is evidence of piercing the corporate veil, will remain online and public. Maybe that's extortion, so don't do that, but the point is he should be shitting his pants, not trying to intimidate you. Note that this corporate veil stuff really only matters in bankruptcy, but it's just one of those things that easy to lose and hard to restore. | 0 | 7,323 | 1.571429 |
7hrxnt | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | I've received a bogus invoice from my Uncle's business because I refused to take his son on a road trip at the last minute to meet a cruise ship. **The backstory part** My aunt and uncle have always been pushy people and their son (my cousin, but family stresses don't have me relating to him in any way) is a 19 year old painful entitled arse I never had much to do with personally. I'd been planning a road trip from Sydney to Townsville for a while, and I posted details on facebook of when I was leaving in September this year. Aunt and Uncle caught wind of this and asked if I'd take their son with me, and drop him off in Brisbane in time to catch a cruise. I said no at first, but after a few pushy phonecalls from them I said I'd do it but I laid out conditions that he had to keep the attitude down. They know as well as anyone what he's like, and they promised he'd behave, so I agreed to take him. My mistake agreeing to that. On the morning I had to leave I packed and went to pick up their son from their house. He was still asleep and hadn't even begun to pack. After 2 hours of waiting and putting my schedule behind, we got going on the road. We didn't get 20km before he'd insulted me about my weight, spat chewing gum out the window, and jammed his feet with shoes up on the dash. The whole reason for my road trip was to stretch the legs of my car, and it's a cheap but fun sort-of-classic I'm attached to. He'd already scored the dashtop with his feet when I pulled over, laid into him about feet on the dash, and I snapped when he came back with "babe, if you want this to be painless for the both of us you need to get the stick out of your arse". So I turned around, and suffered 20 minutes of abuse before getting him back home, all the time with him threatening me with how pissed his dad was going to be. After some trouble getting him out of the car when he was back home, I left him and his baggage in their driveway and went off on my trip. **The legal part** I've now been back a fortnight, and yesterday morning I received an invoice from my uncle's business for a total of $9200 for 'Travel', and a final notice warning that it would be sent to collections if it wasn't immediately paid. I phoned my uncle and he broke it down that they'd tried to get their son on a flight to Brisbane but he never got on it and bummed about with friends locally without them knowing, and wasted opportunities they'd organised for him on the cruise. I'm beyond annoyed and told him to jam it, posted a scan of the invoice on Facebook with the background story, and I've received nasty emails from both my aunt and uncle (I refuse to take their calls) threatening me to take it down, and also to pay it or he *will* send it to collections. Obviously it's not a legally valid invoice, even though as far as I can tell it's a regular normal looking invoice his business would send out, but what can I do here that'll quickly get him off my back? It wouldn't surprise me if he did try to send it to collections if I don't do anything. For all the stupidity of that act, which I'm sure can get him in deep trouble if I pushed back legally, he's knowledgeable of the law and I think he's expecting to take advantage of my lack of legal knowledge to make me pay. Is there a law I can quickly quote back at him in reference to the invalid invoice and fraud, without me going straight to a lawyer of my own, or would should I get a lawyer to fire back so he backs down? The cost of that would hit me hard at the moment but if I have to I have to. | dqu2azw | dqu0l00 | 1,512,529,536 | 1,512,527,596 | 48 | 44 | Another Aussie here. Man. If he has used his business name and abn on an invoice for a personal matter. He can get royally fucked for it. Go see fair trading and go from there | To add on to every lawyer who's on here. Not a lawyer but a huge car fan You mentioned you were stretching the legs of your classic ride. And he damaged the dash.. You could get a couple of invoices and send them estimates of what they will be paying for your repair bill. Just sayin . You know. Never disrespect another mans ride be it a CRV or a rolls Royce ! | 1 | 1,940 | 1.090909 |
yilsgc | legaladvice_train | 0.85 | Can I take legal action if a photographer refuses to remove pictures of me on his instagram My roommate (22f) is a model and did a photo shoot with someone a while back. She has since signed with an agency and she doesn’t want the former pictures of her online from when she did more lingerie modeling as the new agency is a bit modest. She asked the photographer to remove the old pictures but he is refusing to do so. There was never a contract of use or permission signed by either party. Is this something that can even be enforced legally? How should we go about getting the pictures removed? | iujw8mg | iujrf63 | 1,667,253,292 | 1,667,251,181 | 27 | 14 | You could offer him money to purchase the rights to the photos in question and under the condition he removes them from his website. Other than that, no, they are his. | Not a lawyer, can the roomate ‘untag’ themselves from the photos? Photographer can keep them in their feed, but they will not be tied to your roomate as visibly. | 1 | 2,111 | 1.928571 |
yilsgc | legaladvice_train | 0.85 | Can I take legal action if a photographer refuses to remove pictures of me on his instagram My roommate (22f) is a model and did a photo shoot with someone a while back. She has since signed with an agency and she doesn’t want the former pictures of her online from when she did more lingerie modeling as the new agency is a bit modest. She asked the photographer to remove the old pictures but he is refusing to do so. There was never a contract of use or permission signed by either party. Is this something that can even be enforced legally? How should we go about getting the pictures removed? | iujrf63 | iukicn3 | 1,667,251,181 | 1,667,263,742 | 14 | 18 | Not a lawyer, can the roomate ‘untag’ themselves from the photos? Photographer can keep them in their feed, but they will not be tied to your roomate as visibly. | Images taken are the property of the photographer. You do not own those images so no, there's nothing you can do to get them taken down. | 0 | 12,561 | 1.285714 |
jbcvvo | legaladvice_train | 0.91 | Old acquaintance messaged me out of the blue, 25 minutes later police called me saying he's applying as a police officer and wants to talk about when this guy and I would smoke weed in college I'll say it outright, I'm obviously not going to respond to either of them. This guy and I were in the marching band together, and outside of practice maybe hung out at most a half dozen times at some parties. He wasn't a bad guy imo but we never really hung out. We didn't talk at all once we left school. Never really thought of him. Now today he hits me up! Asking if it's me and he's saying it's him texting me. I found it weird at first, because we were never really close and didn't have much I common, so I waited to respond. A little later I get a Restricted call, and it's a backgrounds investigator with the police department saying my "friend" is applying to join the police department, and he talked about using marijuana in school with "friends," and that he would like to talk to me about it. 15 minute after that he says "call me if you can" with a laughing crying emoji. So I have two degrees of questions. First, should I be worried about this at all? I live in Arizona, I had a medical card while in college but don't anymore. I still smoke but only before bed. Second, is this legitimately something they do when applying, or did he get caught with weed and this is a lie to get him to rat out others in possession? I know a friend of mine had that offered to him once. Thanks ahead for any insight or help | g8uz3bt | g8uncsi | 1,602,727,804 | 1,602,720,992 | 21 | 20 | To answer both questions: no, you shouldn’t be worried, this is a legitimate and common process for a background when applying in law enforcement, it’s a lot more in depth than people think. Also, to hopefully put your mind at ease, It’s much too convoluted to be an elaborate scheme to catch some random person who smoked a little weed back in the day. You’re under no obligation to respond to either of them and there are no repercussions if you don’t. Source: I am a background investigator in law enforcement. | Your first line says it all pal. Considering you know you didn’t smoke weed with this guy and he immediately tried to contact you, it sounds like he tried to admit the lesser of some evils but then realized every person he smoked weed with knew more about his drug use (frequency, seriousness, duration, who knows?) than he’d like disclosed to the PD. Do not communicate with this person, he may ask you to lie for him which would put you in a very shitty position. Chances are he’s a no hire because of this Tom foolery, and you should just lean back and let it happen. | 1 | 6,812 | 1.05 |
jop5xt | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | My friend’s sister was just kicked out of the house - she’s 16. My friend has taken her in, but can’t afford for her to stay. What programs or legal help can she get? My friend lives in North Dakota in the US, and is Native American. She does not live on a reservation though. So, my friend (Katie) is 20 and has always had a pretty rocky relationship with her parents. She was able to move out at 18 and now shares an apartment with her boyfriend. Unfortunately, her 16 yr old sister (Jen) has become a bit of a problem child. Their mom has kicked Jen out of the house for now. As she doesn’t have anywhere to go, Katie is letting Jen stay with her in the apartment. I’m really concerned because Katie doesn’t have enough money, support, or time to raise Jen. She’s currently in nursing school and working close to full time. I live somewhere else, and can’t help as much as I’d like. Katie is really scared to go to CPS as their family is Native American. Historically, they don’t trust the government to look after their kids or help them. However, their mom isn’t helping at all and refuses to take Jen back. Are there any government programs she can reach out to for funding or organizations to help? | gb9tb4s | gb9gesi | 1,604,611,890 | 1,604,606,004 | 57 | 7 | If she's dead set on going the government assistance route, her sister would have an easier time seeking custody of her and attempting to get assistance because she has a minor in her care than it would be for her to try the long shot of emancipation. She may not even have to have a custody order in order to apply an receive assistance. | She may be able to seek emancipation and be considered at risk of homelessness. This would allow her to qualify for various aid. I noticed you said that they do not live on a rez, but is she registered with the tribe or confederation at all? | 1 | 5,886 | 8.142857 |
jop5xt | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | My friend’s sister was just kicked out of the house - she’s 16. My friend has taken her in, but can’t afford for her to stay. What programs or legal help can she get? My friend lives in North Dakota in the US, and is Native American. She does not live on a reservation though. So, my friend (Katie) is 20 and has always had a pretty rocky relationship with her parents. She was able to move out at 18 and now shares an apartment with her boyfriend. Unfortunately, her 16 yr old sister (Jen) has become a bit of a problem child. Their mom has kicked Jen out of the house for now. As she doesn’t have anywhere to go, Katie is letting Jen stay with her in the apartment. I’m really concerned because Katie doesn’t have enough money, support, or time to raise Jen. She’s currently in nursing school and working close to full time. I live somewhere else, and can’t help as much as I’d like. Katie is really scared to go to CPS as their family is Native American. Historically, they don’t trust the government to look after their kids or help them. However, their mom isn’t helping at all and refuses to take Jen back. Are there any government programs she can reach out to for funding or organizations to help? | gb9gesi | gbatbrq | 1,604,606,004 | 1,604,629,040 | 7 | 8 | She may be able to seek emancipation and be considered at risk of homelessness. This would allow her to qualify for various aid. I noticed you said that they do not live on a rez, but is she registered with the tribe or confederation at all? | If she's enrolled in a public school, she should find the district's homeless/McKinney-Vento coordinator. These guys deal with these kind of situations all day long, and know how to get kids- either runaways, kicked out, or part of a whole homeless family- access to food stamps, health insurance, counseling, housing, legal services, you name it. If she needs school fees paid, they can help with that. There are also some interesting college scholarships that start opening up if kids were ever legally declared homeless (through one of these coordinators) during high school. McKinney-Vento's usually are pretty discerning with regard to CPS, too. As a bonus, they can help Katie with services or support if she feels she can't do it alone, or help Jen find more stable housing if she chooses. | 0 | 23,036 | 1.142857 |
zubz1d | legaladvice_train | 0.91 | Us-IN it’s 56 degrees inside and I have to get a hotel, how do I get my landlord to pay for it after? I’ve been trying to get them to fix my heat for a while now and with this winter storm my heat has dropped even further and keeps going down. I can’t get ahold of anyone and I’m freezing. I’ve been writing down everything that happens and taking pictures of the temperature. It was hanging out at around 63-64 for a couple weeks and now it’s just dropping. //I basically crossposted from r/tenant as well | j1i5ryc | j1i52qu | 1,671,896,303 | 1,671,895,961 | 274 | 26 | Contact your renters insurance, they will likely cover the hotel. | Can you purchase a space heater or electric blanket? | 1 | 342 | 10.538462 |
zubz1d | legaladvice_train | 0.91 | Us-IN it’s 56 degrees inside and I have to get a hotel, how do I get my landlord to pay for it after? I’ve been trying to get them to fix my heat for a while now and with this winter storm my heat has dropped even further and keeps going down. I can’t get ahold of anyone and I’m freezing. I’ve been writing down everything that happens and taking pictures of the temperature. It was hanging out at around 63-64 for a couple weeks and now it’s just dropping. //I basically crossposted from r/tenant as well | j1i52qu | j1i9ygx | 1,671,895,961 | 1,671,898,245 | 26 | 62 | Can you purchase a space heater or electric blanket? | Have you contacted code enforcement? | 0 | 2,284 | 2.384615 |
zubz1d | legaladvice_train | 0.91 | Us-IN it’s 56 degrees inside and I have to get a hotel, how do I get my landlord to pay for it after? I’ve been trying to get them to fix my heat for a while now and with this winter storm my heat has dropped even further and keeps going down. I can’t get ahold of anyone and I’m freezing. I’ve been writing down everything that happens and taking pictures of the temperature. It was hanging out at around 63-64 for a couple weeks and now it’s just dropping. //I basically crossposted from r/tenant as well | j1iwyly | j1i52qu | 1,671,908,269 | 1,671,895,961 | 39 | 26 | Not a lawyer - Indianapolis says the heat should safely and adequately heat all rooms to at least 68 degrees, * https://www.wrtv.com/news/wrtv-investigates/east-side-apartment-complex-cited-for-no-heat-after-renter-complaint * https://www.in.gov/health/eph/files/Tenants_Rights_doc.pdf * https://www.tenantresourcecenter.org/is_your_heat_on | Can you purchase a space heater or electric blanket? | 1 | 12,308 | 1.5 |
zubz1d | legaladvice_train | 0.91 | Us-IN it’s 56 degrees inside and I have to get a hotel, how do I get my landlord to pay for it after? I’ve been trying to get them to fix my heat for a while now and with this winter storm my heat has dropped even further and keeps going down. I can’t get ahold of anyone and I’m freezing. I’ve been writing down everything that happens and taking pictures of the temperature. It was hanging out at around 63-64 for a couple weeks and now it’s just dropping. //I basically crossposted from r/tenant as well | j1i52qu | j1k2qn3 | 1,671,895,961 | 1,671,927,011 | 26 | 29 | Can you purchase a space heater or electric blanket? | If a landlord refuses to give you basic amenities such as water, heating and cooling, you have the right to refuse to pay rent until the issue is corrected. This is also grounds for breaking lease without additional charges. You can get a space heater or two and close all doors to rooms that aren't in use, should you decide to stay home. I went through this with my dad while I was renting my parents old house. It was rough, so I know how it feels to freeze in your own house. Hang in there! Stay warm! | 0 | 31,050 | 1.115385 |
zubz1d | legaladvice_train | 0.91 | Us-IN it’s 56 degrees inside and I have to get a hotel, how do I get my landlord to pay for it after? I’ve been trying to get them to fix my heat for a while now and with this winter storm my heat has dropped even further and keeps going down. I can’t get ahold of anyone and I’m freezing. I’ve been writing down everything that happens and taking pictures of the temperature. It was hanging out at around 63-64 for a couple weeks and now it’s just dropping. //I basically crossposted from r/tenant as well | j1izgbv | j1k2qn3 | 1,671,909,308 | 1,671,927,011 | 14 | 29 | Send a certified, signature required letter stating that if he doesn’t fix it in 7 days, you’ll get it fixed and take it out of the rent money. Be prepared to take him to small claims court when he tries to evict you | If a landlord refuses to give you basic amenities such as water, heating and cooling, you have the right to refuse to pay rent until the issue is corrected. This is also grounds for breaking lease without additional charges. You can get a space heater or two and close all doors to rooms that aren't in use, should you decide to stay home. I went through this with my dad while I was renting my parents old house. It was rough, so I know how it feels to freeze in your own house. Hang in there! Stay warm! | 0 | 17,703 | 2.071429 |
n3y6hq | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | [MD] Can I be forced to pay for private school for my kid? My ex and I have a child that has been attending public school up to this year but she has decided that he should attend private school and apparently she has been meeting with the new school administration and even notified his current school that our kid will not be returning next year. Our parenting agreement says that we both have legal custody, with the tie-breaker going to her if we fail to reach and agreement after a “good faith attempt at compromise”. But she’s just informing me after the fact and I’ve let her know that I don’t agree with this move for many reasons (the cost is one, but not the only one). Our parenting agreement already took care of the child support amount and I intend to keep paying that. Am I also forced to pay for half the private school cost? There’s nothing in the agreement that addresses that particular matter. | gwsors8 | gwsshrd | 1,620,057,711 | 1,620,059,289 | 91 | 226 | Does your dissolution agreement or divorce decree address educational spending? That is what controls. If she or you want to vary from that's you need to do so through a court order, which means you will need assistance from your divorce attorney. | >There’s nothing in the agreement that addresses that particular matter. Then until a court says so, you don't have to pay. Be careful, though, and look for language like "educational expenses will be shared" and such. If she goes to court to get the order modified, you'll want to talk to your lawyer. | 0 | 1,578 | 2.483516 |
n3y6hq | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | [MD] Can I be forced to pay for private school for my kid? My ex and I have a child that has been attending public school up to this year but she has decided that he should attend private school and apparently she has been meeting with the new school administration and even notified his current school that our kid will not be returning next year. Our parenting agreement says that we both have legal custody, with the tie-breaker going to her if we fail to reach and agreement after a “good faith attempt at compromise”. But she’s just informing me after the fact and I’ve let her know that I don’t agree with this move for many reasons (the cost is one, but not the only one). Our parenting agreement already took care of the child support amount and I intend to keep paying that. Am I also forced to pay for half the private school cost? There’s nothing in the agreement that addresses that particular matter. | gwtur06 | gwsys12 | 1,620,075,576 | 1,620,061,948 | 18 | 11 | I am a lawyer. I am not your lawyer. You should talk your lawyer in Maryland. Without your divorce decree and your settlement agreement, there is no way to fairly answer this question. I am sure that future education was covered in your agreement if your attorneys main practice is this matter. With that said, I would tell you that it is very unlikely she can 'make' you pay if it is not explicitly stated to do so, OR your child has special need that requires Private Education. Even in that case like a disability, you likely have other avenues though the ADA and making the school district pay if they cannot support him. At the end of the day, call you lawyer. Run up the unfortunate fee. And then have him tell her lawyer to go pounds sand. Good luck to you. | Maybe. Depends on laws in the jurisdiction but if she can prove that the new school is in the child’s best interests that could well be a yes. | 1 | 13,628 | 1.636364 |
n3y6hq | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | [MD] Can I be forced to pay for private school for my kid? My ex and I have a child that has been attending public school up to this year but she has decided that he should attend private school and apparently she has been meeting with the new school administration and even notified his current school that our kid will not be returning next year. Our parenting agreement says that we both have legal custody, with the tie-breaker going to her if we fail to reach and agreement after a “good faith attempt at compromise”. But she’s just informing me after the fact and I’ve let her know that I don’t agree with this move for many reasons (the cost is one, but not the only one). Our parenting agreement already took care of the child support amount and I intend to keep paying that. Am I also forced to pay for half the private school cost? There’s nothing in the agreement that addresses that particular matter. | gwu1dla | gwv6kxu | 1,620,078,516 | 1,620,098,663 | 2 | 5 | If there is nothing in the agreement about it, you don't have to pay it. She can petition the court to change the agreement if she wants. | Do not pay her anything, it would imply that you consent to the decision You need to get your lawyer to comb through the custody papers and prepare for a custody modification battle. | 0 | 20,147 | 2.5 |
x09028 | legaladvice_train | 0.76 | Virginia: I am a landlord who has a tenant that signed a rental agreement for 1 year. We decided orally to extend the agreement for an additional year however the tenant has failed to pay me for the past 8 months. Can I take the tenant to court and force them to pay me and evict them? I'm not really sure how this process works in Virginia. Any help would be greatly appreciated because this situation has cost me over $10,000 and I am continuing to lose money every single month that this tenant refuses to pay and continues to stay. | im6xe09 | im6v0ea | 1,661,730,138 | 1,661,729,028 | 87 | 23 | You can successfully terminate their tenancy/evict. You can also sue for what’s owed, but you can’t get blood from a stone and it’s possible the amount owed exceeds the small claims threshold, (which may be $5,000). You should read the law, (55.1-1245, F, especially), and this handbook made available by your state. It would behoove you, as a landlord, to read the entire thing, though it’s possible some of it is out of date. | Year-long leases have to be in writing. And just evict him, he can't be this far behind and expect to keep living there. | 1 | 1,110 | 3.782609 |
x09028 | legaladvice_train | 0.76 | Virginia: I am a landlord who has a tenant that signed a rental agreement for 1 year. We decided orally to extend the agreement for an additional year however the tenant has failed to pay me for the past 8 months. Can I take the tenant to court and force them to pay me and evict them? I'm not really sure how this process works in Virginia. Any help would be greatly appreciated because this situation has cost me over $10,000 and I am continuing to lose money every single month that this tenant refuses to pay and continues to stay. | im6w9df | im6xe09 | 1,661,729,616 | 1,661,730,138 | 5 | 87 | Verbal or physical, this is still your tenant as they live on your property and you had an agreement to pay rent. At minimum, the court will recognize this as a month-to-month tenancy and take it to trial. Go through the legal eviction channels and don't just kick them out/lock them out. You are well outside of VA small claims court amounts, so please get a lawyer. | You can successfully terminate their tenancy/evict. You can also sue for what’s owed, but you can’t get blood from a stone and it’s possible the amount owed exceeds the small claims threshold, (which may be $5,000). You should read the law, (55.1-1245, F, especially), and this handbook made available by your state. It would behoove you, as a landlord, to read the entire thing, though it’s possible some of it is out of date. | 0 | 522 | 17.4 |
ydwtwo | legaladvice_train | 0.88 | My nonverbal 3 year old got a concussion at school and nobody knows how. My 3 yr old son has Down Syndrome and is in the Georgia public school special education program. He rides the bus and is in a classroom with 5 other children and 2 teachers. I received this text from his teacher at 12:09 “Hi Mom, I think Child may not be feeling well. He laid down for a bit during play time, he didn’t eat much at lunch and now we are at recess and he laid down on the grass. He just seems a bit off.” I went to pick him up and the second I saw him, I knew he wasn’t sick, this was something else. He was staring off into the distance, was more lethargic than I’ve ever seen him, and was like soulless. I brushed his hair off of his forehead like I always do, and there it was, a new giant bruise. Neither of his teachers or his bus driver know how it happened. I received a 2nd text from teacher “FYI, no one here saw him fall or hit his head on anything at all today. He was acting tired since pretty early this morning (I noticed it at play time at 9:00). He seemed fine at breakfast and circle time. I’m so sorry, with all the sick bugs going around, I didn’t think to look for signs of a bump on his head.” I called my husband, he left work, and we went to the ER. We ended up waiting for about 7/8 hours, almost got hit by a psych patient that was having an episode, and lost quite a bit of money from my husband missing work. We finally see a doctor and find out he has a concussion. It is about 10:30pm at this point. He will be okay, but has to rest the next couple of days. Is there any legal action to take against the school? I am extremely worried to send him back, but we can’t afford for him not to be in school. How can we make sure the correct people are held accountable for his injury? | ituri0c | itulg9s | 1,666,791,821 | 1,666,788,949 | 613 | 167 | If he was acting really tired at early morning, is it possible he did something like tumble out of bed overnight? Without cameras, there's no way for you to say when it happened. Unfortunately, even with a licensing inspection, there's no way to say you'll get any conclusion. | I don't suppose they have cameras at the school do they? | 1 | 2,872 | 3.670659 |
ydwtwo | legaladvice_train | 0.88 | My nonverbal 3 year old got a concussion at school and nobody knows how. My 3 yr old son has Down Syndrome and is in the Georgia public school special education program. He rides the bus and is in a classroom with 5 other children and 2 teachers. I received this text from his teacher at 12:09 “Hi Mom, I think Child may not be feeling well. He laid down for a bit during play time, he didn’t eat much at lunch and now we are at recess and he laid down on the grass. He just seems a bit off.” I went to pick him up and the second I saw him, I knew he wasn’t sick, this was something else. He was staring off into the distance, was more lethargic than I’ve ever seen him, and was like soulless. I brushed his hair off of his forehead like I always do, and there it was, a new giant bruise. Neither of his teachers or his bus driver know how it happened. I received a 2nd text from teacher “FYI, no one here saw him fall or hit his head on anything at all today. He was acting tired since pretty early this morning (I noticed it at play time at 9:00). He seemed fine at breakfast and circle time. I’m so sorry, with all the sick bugs going around, I didn’t think to look for signs of a bump on his head.” I called my husband, he left work, and we went to the ER. We ended up waiting for about 7/8 hours, almost got hit by a psych patient that was having an episode, and lost quite a bit of money from my husband missing work. We finally see a doctor and find out he has a concussion. It is about 10:30pm at this point. He will be okay, but has to rest the next couple of days. Is there any legal action to take against the school? I am extremely worried to send him back, but we can’t afford for him not to be in school. How can we make sure the correct people are held accountable for his injury? | itvcfnx | itulg9s | 1,666,800,380 | 1,666,788,949 | 586 | 167 | Not a GA attorney, but a brief google shows that public schools enjoy some level of tort immunity in Georgia. Likely, a simple negligence case against a GA public school would be dismissed. | I don't suppose they have cameras at the school do they? | 1 | 11,431 | 3.508982 |
ydwtwo | legaladvice_train | 0.88 | My nonverbal 3 year old got a concussion at school and nobody knows how. My 3 yr old son has Down Syndrome and is in the Georgia public school special education program. He rides the bus and is in a classroom with 5 other children and 2 teachers. I received this text from his teacher at 12:09 “Hi Mom, I think Child may not be feeling well. He laid down for a bit during play time, he didn’t eat much at lunch and now we are at recess and he laid down on the grass. He just seems a bit off.” I went to pick him up and the second I saw him, I knew he wasn’t sick, this was something else. He was staring off into the distance, was more lethargic than I’ve ever seen him, and was like soulless. I brushed his hair off of his forehead like I always do, and there it was, a new giant bruise. Neither of his teachers or his bus driver know how it happened. I received a 2nd text from teacher “FYI, no one here saw him fall or hit his head on anything at all today. He was acting tired since pretty early this morning (I noticed it at play time at 9:00). He seemed fine at breakfast and circle time. I’m so sorry, with all the sick bugs going around, I didn’t think to look for signs of a bump on his head.” I called my husband, he left work, and we went to the ER. We ended up waiting for about 7/8 hours, almost got hit by a psych patient that was having an episode, and lost quite a bit of money from my husband missing work. We finally see a doctor and find out he has a concussion. It is about 10:30pm at this point. He will be okay, but has to rest the next couple of days. Is there any legal action to take against the school? I am extremely worried to send him back, but we can’t afford for him not to be in school. How can we make sure the correct people are held accountable for his injury? | itvak73 | itvcfnx | 1,666,799,645 | 1,666,800,380 | 14 | 586 | Look for the camera. Ask them to document what they noticed with your child and when. Did he get sent to the nurse? Did they look him over? How big is the mark on his head - was it super obvious? You need to establish the facts of the matter and if they acted negligently in responding to his behavior and injuries. You also need to start asking parents to see if their kids saw anything. Kids will gossip. Little kids love to tell what they see. It could be an accident , abuse from teachers, or just "he just looked strange but no one did anything" | Not a GA attorney, but a brief google shows that public schools enjoy some level of tort immunity in Georgia. Likely, a simple negligence case against a GA public school would be dismissed. | 0 | 735 | 41.857143 |
ydwtwo | legaladvice_train | 0.88 | My nonverbal 3 year old got a concussion at school and nobody knows how. My 3 yr old son has Down Syndrome and is in the Georgia public school special education program. He rides the bus and is in a classroom with 5 other children and 2 teachers. I received this text from his teacher at 12:09 “Hi Mom, I think Child may not be feeling well. He laid down for a bit during play time, he didn’t eat much at lunch and now we are at recess and he laid down on the grass. He just seems a bit off.” I went to pick him up and the second I saw him, I knew he wasn’t sick, this was something else. He was staring off into the distance, was more lethargic than I’ve ever seen him, and was like soulless. I brushed his hair off of his forehead like I always do, and there it was, a new giant bruise. Neither of his teachers or his bus driver know how it happened. I received a 2nd text from teacher “FYI, no one here saw him fall or hit his head on anything at all today. He was acting tired since pretty early this morning (I noticed it at play time at 9:00). He seemed fine at breakfast and circle time. I’m so sorry, with all the sick bugs going around, I didn’t think to look for signs of a bump on his head.” I called my husband, he left work, and we went to the ER. We ended up waiting for about 7/8 hours, almost got hit by a psych patient that was having an episode, and lost quite a bit of money from my husband missing work. We finally see a doctor and find out he has a concussion. It is about 10:30pm at this point. He will be okay, but has to rest the next couple of days. Is there any legal action to take against the school? I am extremely worried to send him back, but we can’t afford for him not to be in school. How can we make sure the correct people are held accountable for his injury? | itwaegv | itvzxdq | 1,666,813,455 | 1,666,809,465 | 88 | 67 | Different sort of legal advice here, about the future rather than past accountability: You could use this as a reason to push for individual care for your son under his IEP (assuming this is a public school.) My nonverbal autistic daughter has had one-on-one care at school since she was three. You know your son and his abilities best; but if you have worries he will put himself at risk regularly (my daughter will run and climb nonstop if left unobserved, for example) then it's something you should pursue. | Best thing you can do is document it in writing to the school, and ask to review any footage. If it happens multiple times or with multiple kids there’s obviously a major issue. It’s possible they did everything they could that day, it’s possible they were negligent. | 1 | 3,990 | 1.313433 |
ydwtwo | legaladvice_train | 0.88 | My nonverbal 3 year old got a concussion at school and nobody knows how. My 3 yr old son has Down Syndrome and is in the Georgia public school special education program. He rides the bus and is in a classroom with 5 other children and 2 teachers. I received this text from his teacher at 12:09 “Hi Mom, I think Child may not be feeling well. He laid down for a bit during play time, he didn’t eat much at lunch and now we are at recess and he laid down on the grass. He just seems a bit off.” I went to pick him up and the second I saw him, I knew he wasn’t sick, this was something else. He was staring off into the distance, was more lethargic than I’ve ever seen him, and was like soulless. I brushed his hair off of his forehead like I always do, and there it was, a new giant bruise. Neither of his teachers or his bus driver know how it happened. I received a 2nd text from teacher “FYI, no one here saw him fall or hit his head on anything at all today. He was acting tired since pretty early this morning (I noticed it at play time at 9:00). He seemed fine at breakfast and circle time. I’m so sorry, with all the sick bugs going around, I didn’t think to look for signs of a bump on his head.” I called my husband, he left work, and we went to the ER. We ended up waiting for about 7/8 hours, almost got hit by a psych patient that was having an episode, and lost quite a bit of money from my husband missing work. We finally see a doctor and find out he has a concussion. It is about 10:30pm at this point. He will be okay, but has to rest the next couple of days. Is there any legal action to take against the school? I am extremely worried to send him back, but we can’t afford for him not to be in school. How can we make sure the correct people are held accountable for his injury? | itvak73 | itwaegv | 1,666,799,645 | 1,666,813,455 | 14 | 88 | Look for the camera. Ask them to document what they noticed with your child and when. Did he get sent to the nurse? Did they look him over? How big is the mark on his head - was it super obvious? You need to establish the facts of the matter and if they acted negligently in responding to his behavior and injuries. You also need to start asking parents to see if their kids saw anything. Kids will gossip. Little kids love to tell what they see. It could be an accident , abuse from teachers, or just "he just looked strange but no one did anything" | Different sort of legal advice here, about the future rather than past accountability: You could use this as a reason to push for individual care for your son under his IEP (assuming this is a public school.) My nonverbal autistic daughter has had one-on-one care at school since she was three. You know your son and his abilities best; but if you have worries he will put himself at risk regularly (my daughter will run and climb nonstop if left unobserved, for example) then it's something you should pursue. | 0 | 13,810 | 6.285714 |
ydwtwo | legaladvice_train | 0.88 | My nonverbal 3 year old got a concussion at school and nobody knows how. My 3 yr old son has Down Syndrome and is in the Georgia public school special education program. He rides the bus and is in a classroom with 5 other children and 2 teachers. I received this text from his teacher at 12:09 “Hi Mom, I think Child may not be feeling well. He laid down for a bit during play time, he didn’t eat much at lunch and now we are at recess and he laid down on the grass. He just seems a bit off.” I went to pick him up and the second I saw him, I knew he wasn’t sick, this was something else. He was staring off into the distance, was more lethargic than I’ve ever seen him, and was like soulless. I brushed his hair off of his forehead like I always do, and there it was, a new giant bruise. Neither of his teachers or his bus driver know how it happened. I received a 2nd text from teacher “FYI, no one here saw him fall or hit his head on anything at all today. He was acting tired since pretty early this morning (I noticed it at play time at 9:00). He seemed fine at breakfast and circle time. I’m so sorry, with all the sick bugs going around, I didn’t think to look for signs of a bump on his head.” I called my husband, he left work, and we went to the ER. We ended up waiting for about 7/8 hours, almost got hit by a psych patient that was having an episode, and lost quite a bit of money from my husband missing work. We finally see a doctor and find out he has a concussion. It is about 10:30pm at this point. He will be okay, but has to rest the next couple of days. Is there any legal action to take against the school? I am extremely worried to send him back, but we can’t afford for him not to be in school. How can we make sure the correct people are held accountable for his injury? | itvzxdq | itvak73 | 1,666,809,465 | 1,666,799,645 | 67 | 14 | Best thing you can do is document it in writing to the school, and ask to review any footage. If it happens multiple times or with multiple kids there’s obviously a major issue. It’s possible they did everything they could that day, it’s possible they were negligent. | Look for the camera. Ask them to document what they noticed with your child and when. Did he get sent to the nurse? Did they look him over? How big is the mark on his head - was it super obvious? You need to establish the facts of the matter and if they acted negligently in responding to his behavior and injuries. You also need to start asking parents to see if their kids saw anything. Kids will gossip. Little kids love to tell what they see. It could be an accident , abuse from teachers, or just "he just looked strange but no one did anything" | 1 | 9,820 | 4.785714 |
ydwtwo | legaladvice_train | 0.88 | My nonverbal 3 year old got a concussion at school and nobody knows how. My 3 yr old son has Down Syndrome and is in the Georgia public school special education program. He rides the bus and is in a classroom with 5 other children and 2 teachers. I received this text from his teacher at 12:09 “Hi Mom, I think Child may not be feeling well. He laid down for a bit during play time, he didn’t eat much at lunch and now we are at recess and he laid down on the grass. He just seems a bit off.” I went to pick him up and the second I saw him, I knew he wasn’t sick, this was something else. He was staring off into the distance, was more lethargic than I’ve ever seen him, and was like soulless. I brushed his hair off of his forehead like I always do, and there it was, a new giant bruise. Neither of his teachers or his bus driver know how it happened. I received a 2nd text from teacher “FYI, no one here saw him fall or hit his head on anything at all today. He was acting tired since pretty early this morning (I noticed it at play time at 9:00). He seemed fine at breakfast and circle time. I’m so sorry, with all the sick bugs going around, I didn’t think to look for signs of a bump on his head.” I called my husband, he left work, and we went to the ER. We ended up waiting for about 7/8 hours, almost got hit by a psych patient that was having an episode, and lost quite a bit of money from my husband missing work. We finally see a doctor and find out he has a concussion. It is about 10:30pm at this point. He will be okay, but has to rest the next couple of days. Is there any legal action to take against the school? I am extremely worried to send him back, but we can’t afford for him not to be in school. How can we make sure the correct people are held accountable for his injury? | itvak73 | itwpm5s | 1,666,799,645 | 1,666,819,211 | 14 | 29 | Look for the camera. Ask them to document what they noticed with your child and when. Did he get sent to the nurse? Did they look him over? How big is the mark on his head - was it super obvious? You need to establish the facts of the matter and if they acted negligently in responding to his behavior and injuries. You also need to start asking parents to see if their kids saw anything. Kids will gossip. Little kids love to tell what they see. It could be an accident , abuse from teachers, or just "he just looked strange but no one did anything" | My son is also nonverbal and has Down syndrome. I’m so sorry this has happened. This is terrifying. My son came home from school with fingertip bruises on his arm when he was 4. I’m a School Social Worker, too, and here’s what you need to do right now: contact the GA Department of Education and request to make a student maltreatment report. Student maltreatment that occurs in an educational setting has a different reporting and investigation system than Child Protection. You can also make a Child Protection Report. A student maltreatment report will trigger an investigation conducted by an independent investigator-this is someone who is neither affiliated with you nor the school. They will conduct interviews with everyone who had contact with your child. You do not need to be the investigator right now. If you run into any resistance to making a student maltreatment report, refuse to send your child to school until an investigation has been initiated. When my son got hurt, there ended up being witnesses and the investigation determined the injury was accidental. Luckily, the school was immediately responsive and had protocols and trainings on how to safely move my child all in place within a couple days. Our kids are so dependent on others, it’s very unusual that they would be left alone with a single person for very long. But our kids are also more likely to be victimized due to their vulnerabilities. It’s scary. The other thing I would recommend is a full medical exam to make sure there aren’t any other old or new injuries. I’m so sorry. | 0 | 19,566 | 2.071429 |
402nva | legaladvice_train | 1 | Animal neglect - city police and animal control doing nothing Location: Northern West Virginia, United States I'm going to try to keep this as short as possible. A friend noticed that a neighbor had been away from their home for over a week and knew that they had multiple animals in the home, and grew concerned about their wellbeing. The city police were called and told her that even if there was a child inside the house, then nothing could be done about it. A few days later she again called the police and animal control when a dead cat appeared on the porch. Animal control could not be reached and the city police refused to do anything, but a state police officer who lived nearby was contacted and was able to recover some of the animals inside. Inside there were 4 dogs and over 30 cats, who were all very thirsty and hungry. The state police officer was finally able to convince the city police to come out, and the city police were able to convince an animal control officer to come out. The officer told them to put the dogs back into the house because they were out of office until Monday. They were able to be convinced to take the dogs, but refused to take the cats until Monday. Monday came around and animal control returned the dogs to the house and refused to take the cats. I understand that animal neglect has recently been made a felony crime. Is there anything that can be done about this, any higher authority we should try to contact? Or are we going overboard and this is truly not an instance of animal neglect? Thank you for any input! I only have a couple of pictures of the home and dogs, and I agree the dogs don't look too bad. The home, number of animals, and conditions of the past few weeks bother me though. Home: http://imgur.com/6BPQSnh http://imgur.com/0zEZRjg Dogs: http://imgur.com/A7LVung http://imgur.com/LjKJ0gX | cyqz0sw | cyqyfyp | 1,452,282,629 | 1,452,281,832 | 23 | 2 | Jesus. I would report this to the local news and start calling rescue groups to pick up the animals. | *I am a bot whose sole purpose is to improve the timeliness and accuracy of responses in this subreddit.* ---
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> I'm going to try to keep this as short as possible. A friend noticed that a neighbor had been away from their home for over a week and knew that they had multiple animals in the home, and grew concerned about their wellbeing. The city police were called and told her that even if there was a child inside the house, then nothing could be done about it. > > A few days later she again called the police and animal control when a dead cat appeared on the porch. Animal control could not be reached and the city police refused to do anything, but a state police officer who lived nearby was contacted and was able to recover some of the animals inside. Inside there were 4 dogs and over 30 cats, who were all very thirsty and hungry. The state police officer was finally able to convince the city police to come out, and the city police were able to convince an animal control officer to come out. The officer told them to put the dogs back into the house because they were out of office until Monday. > > They were able to be convinced to take the dogs, but refused to take the cats until Monday. Monday came around and animal control returned the dogs to the house and refused to take the cats. I understand that animal neglect has recently been made a felony crime. Is there anything that can be done about this, any higher authority we should try to contact? Or are we going overboard and this is truly not an instance of animal neglect? Thank you for any input! > > I only have a couple of pictures of the home and dogs, and I agree the dogs don't look too bad. The home, number of animals, and conditions of the past few weeks bother me though. > > Home: > http://imgur.com/6BPQSnh > http://imgur.com/0zEZRjg > > Dogs: > http://imgur.com/A7LVung > http://imgur.com/LjKJ0gX | 1 | 797 | 11.5 |
apnchc | legaladvice_train | 0.76 | Woman got mad at me because my dog licked her hand when I was walking him. She came to pet him and got mad and thought when he licked her he was gonna bite. She said she is calling police and animal control. Will they take my dog If they believe he bite her will they take him ? Idaho | eg9rv0d | eg9sroc | 1,549,932,695 | 1,549,933,363 | 6 | 73 | Did it bite her ? | No, they are not going to take your dog. The woman has no bite marks or wounds. She did not seek medical care because she has no injury. She obviously is unfamiliar with dogs, because dogs licking someone they meet is not unusual at all. And licking is a friendly behavior, not a precursor to violent behavior. Yeah, not everyone likes a lick. An animal control person is going to laugh at this clown. | 0 | 668 | 12.166667 |
apnchc | legaladvice_train | 0.76 | Woman got mad at me because my dog licked her hand when I was walking him. She came to pet him and got mad and thought when he licked her he was gonna bite. She said she is calling police and animal control. Will they take my dog If they believe he bite her will they take him ? Idaho | eg9rwo8 | eg9sroc | 1,549,932,728 | 1,549,933,363 | 4 | 73 | Did your dog actually bite her? | No, they are not going to take your dog. The woman has no bite marks or wounds. She did not seek medical care because she has no injury. She obviously is unfamiliar with dogs, because dogs licking someone they meet is not unusual at all. And licking is a friendly behavior, not a precursor to violent behavior. Yeah, not everyone likes a lick. An animal control person is going to laugh at this clown. | 0 | 635 | 18.25 |
dwx9pw | legaladvice_train | 0.71 | [Indiana] I was just fired, despite my boss not being able to provide any documented examples of me violating company policy, or being able to list evidence of the reason she was firing. So a few hours ago I just got fired from my job. I was a part time Mechanical Engineering intern, who was supposed to work from summer to fall, go to school in the spring, then come back for summer and fall. For the past week I've been having daily arguments with my boss over very minor and petty things. For example, she'd be upset that it took me a day and a half to make a training sheet for her instead of a day, or that I was doing projects for other departments (Small company with me being the only engineer, so its kinda expected). She would consistently accuse my of skirting around projects, despite me still delivering results every 1-2 days. During these arguments she would also do things that I believe were out of line, like pull out a phone and start recording me for "training purposes" or telling me "shit rolls down hill, and I'm at the top of the hill." She would also go to other departments and demand they stop giving me projects. The thing that pushed me over the edge was when she marched me into HR just to tell me that she didn't want a black outline around the text boxes on her training sheet. During these arguments I'd lament about how shes extremely rushing a non-critical project (I know its non-critical because despite her demanding a day turnaround time from me, the completed sheets would just sit on her desk instead of going to the floor, which I criticized her for). I'd argue about how it wasn't her place to dictate what projects I can/can't accept, since my job was to help *everyone* in the company. Along this I reminded her that if the CEO or the CFO gave me a project, their projects would automatically get prioritized over hers for obvious reasons. Anyway after dealing with these arguments daily, I finally drafted an email to the CFO and the HR person about how I felt it was Harassment and I asked them to intervene. I had to ask one of the maintenance people about when a certain argument happened on a certain date, so I left the email on my desk and went to the floor. When I came back my boss was at my office, and she just immediately says "I need to speak to you". She pulled me into the conference room, told me how we inherently didn't mesh and our relationship wouldn't get better, and that "I just can't work with you, so I need to let you go." She cited the fact she "couldnt work with me" as the reason for firing, but also that I skirted around projects (she couldn't list any examples when I asked for them). Anyway, there is no documentation of me violating policy, theres no formal reason as to why I was fired, there was no warning to me being fired, no disciplinary history, and as far as I know she didn't consult anybody else. While I can't prove she read the email that was on my computer, I have a suspicion that it was the reason for my termination. Basically my question is, can I fight this at all? Specifically could I claim wrongful termination? I dont have the employee handbook, so I dont know what the company procedure for termination is. Since I wasnt given a formal reason for my termination, I dont know what policies I supposedly violated. | f7m3m5g | f7m4cqc | 1,573,853,892 | 1,573,854,389 | 393 | 1,331 | No, this is not wrongful termination. You're not owed a formal reason for dismissal. File for unemployment, appeal when denied. | > I felt it was Harassment It wasn't. You should really know how to play the game before you lay all your cards out on the table. > could I claim wrongful termination? No, because it wasn't wrongful termination. | 0 | 497 | 3.386768 |
dwx9pw | legaladvice_train | 0.71 | [Indiana] I was just fired, despite my boss not being able to provide any documented examples of me violating company policy, or being able to list evidence of the reason she was firing. So a few hours ago I just got fired from my job. I was a part time Mechanical Engineering intern, who was supposed to work from summer to fall, go to school in the spring, then come back for summer and fall. For the past week I've been having daily arguments with my boss over very minor and petty things. For example, she'd be upset that it took me a day and a half to make a training sheet for her instead of a day, or that I was doing projects for other departments (Small company with me being the only engineer, so its kinda expected). She would consistently accuse my of skirting around projects, despite me still delivering results every 1-2 days. During these arguments she would also do things that I believe were out of line, like pull out a phone and start recording me for "training purposes" or telling me "shit rolls down hill, and I'm at the top of the hill." She would also go to other departments and demand they stop giving me projects. The thing that pushed me over the edge was when she marched me into HR just to tell me that she didn't want a black outline around the text boxes on her training sheet. During these arguments I'd lament about how shes extremely rushing a non-critical project (I know its non-critical because despite her demanding a day turnaround time from me, the completed sheets would just sit on her desk instead of going to the floor, which I criticized her for). I'd argue about how it wasn't her place to dictate what projects I can/can't accept, since my job was to help *everyone* in the company. Along this I reminded her that if the CEO or the CFO gave me a project, their projects would automatically get prioritized over hers for obvious reasons. Anyway after dealing with these arguments daily, I finally drafted an email to the CFO and the HR person about how I felt it was Harassment and I asked them to intervene. I had to ask one of the maintenance people about when a certain argument happened on a certain date, so I left the email on my desk and went to the floor. When I came back my boss was at my office, and she just immediately says "I need to speak to you". She pulled me into the conference room, told me how we inherently didn't mesh and our relationship wouldn't get better, and that "I just can't work with you, so I need to let you go." She cited the fact she "couldnt work with me" as the reason for firing, but also that I skirted around projects (she couldn't list any examples when I asked for them). Anyway, there is no documentation of me violating policy, theres no formal reason as to why I was fired, there was no warning to me being fired, no disciplinary history, and as far as I know she didn't consult anybody else. While I can't prove she read the email that was on my computer, I have a suspicion that it was the reason for my termination. Basically my question is, can I fight this at all? Specifically could I claim wrongful termination? I dont have the employee handbook, so I dont know what the company procedure for termination is. Since I wasnt given a formal reason for my termination, I dont know what policies I supposedly violated. | f7m4cqc | f7m3efk | 1,573,854,389 | 1,573,853,746 | 1,331 | 374 | > I felt it was Harassment It wasn't. You should really know how to play the game before you lay all your cards out on the table. > could I claim wrongful termination? No, because it wasn't wrongful termination. | > Specifically could I claim wrongful termination? No. You can file for unemployment while seeking a new job. | 1 | 643 | 3.558824 |
dwx9pw | legaladvice_train | 0.71 | [Indiana] I was just fired, despite my boss not being able to provide any documented examples of me violating company policy, or being able to list evidence of the reason she was firing. So a few hours ago I just got fired from my job. I was a part time Mechanical Engineering intern, who was supposed to work from summer to fall, go to school in the spring, then come back for summer and fall. For the past week I've been having daily arguments with my boss over very minor and petty things. For example, she'd be upset that it took me a day and a half to make a training sheet for her instead of a day, or that I was doing projects for other departments (Small company with me being the only engineer, so its kinda expected). She would consistently accuse my of skirting around projects, despite me still delivering results every 1-2 days. During these arguments she would also do things that I believe were out of line, like pull out a phone and start recording me for "training purposes" or telling me "shit rolls down hill, and I'm at the top of the hill." She would also go to other departments and demand they stop giving me projects. The thing that pushed me over the edge was when she marched me into HR just to tell me that she didn't want a black outline around the text boxes on her training sheet. During these arguments I'd lament about how shes extremely rushing a non-critical project (I know its non-critical because despite her demanding a day turnaround time from me, the completed sheets would just sit on her desk instead of going to the floor, which I criticized her for). I'd argue about how it wasn't her place to dictate what projects I can/can't accept, since my job was to help *everyone* in the company. Along this I reminded her that if the CEO or the CFO gave me a project, their projects would automatically get prioritized over hers for obvious reasons. Anyway after dealing with these arguments daily, I finally drafted an email to the CFO and the HR person about how I felt it was Harassment and I asked them to intervene. I had to ask one of the maintenance people about when a certain argument happened on a certain date, so I left the email on my desk and went to the floor. When I came back my boss was at my office, and she just immediately says "I need to speak to you". She pulled me into the conference room, told me how we inherently didn't mesh and our relationship wouldn't get better, and that "I just can't work with you, so I need to let you go." She cited the fact she "couldnt work with me" as the reason for firing, but also that I skirted around projects (she couldn't list any examples when I asked for them). Anyway, there is no documentation of me violating policy, theres no formal reason as to why I was fired, there was no warning to me being fired, no disciplinary history, and as far as I know she didn't consult anybody else. While I can't prove she read the email that was on my computer, I have a suspicion that it was the reason for my termination. Basically my question is, can I fight this at all? Specifically could I claim wrongful termination? I dont have the employee handbook, so I dont know what the company procedure for termination is. Since I wasnt given a formal reason for my termination, I dont know what policies I supposedly violated. | f7m4cqc | f7m44in | 1,573,854,389 | 1,573,854,234 | 1,331 | 227 | > I felt it was Harassment It wasn't. You should really know how to play the game before you lay all your cards out on the table. > could I claim wrongful termination? No, because it wasn't wrongful termination. | You cant argue with your boss. No matter how right you may be. | 1 | 155 | 5.863436 |
dwx9pw | legaladvice_train | 0.71 | [Indiana] I was just fired, despite my boss not being able to provide any documented examples of me violating company policy, or being able to list evidence of the reason she was firing. So a few hours ago I just got fired from my job. I was a part time Mechanical Engineering intern, who was supposed to work from summer to fall, go to school in the spring, then come back for summer and fall. For the past week I've been having daily arguments with my boss over very minor and petty things. For example, she'd be upset that it took me a day and a half to make a training sheet for her instead of a day, or that I was doing projects for other departments (Small company with me being the only engineer, so its kinda expected). She would consistently accuse my of skirting around projects, despite me still delivering results every 1-2 days. During these arguments she would also do things that I believe were out of line, like pull out a phone and start recording me for "training purposes" or telling me "shit rolls down hill, and I'm at the top of the hill." She would also go to other departments and demand they stop giving me projects. The thing that pushed me over the edge was when she marched me into HR just to tell me that she didn't want a black outline around the text boxes on her training sheet. During these arguments I'd lament about how shes extremely rushing a non-critical project (I know its non-critical because despite her demanding a day turnaround time from me, the completed sheets would just sit on her desk instead of going to the floor, which I criticized her for). I'd argue about how it wasn't her place to dictate what projects I can/can't accept, since my job was to help *everyone* in the company. Along this I reminded her that if the CEO or the CFO gave me a project, their projects would automatically get prioritized over hers for obvious reasons. Anyway after dealing with these arguments daily, I finally drafted an email to the CFO and the HR person about how I felt it was Harassment and I asked them to intervene. I had to ask one of the maintenance people about when a certain argument happened on a certain date, so I left the email on my desk and went to the floor. When I came back my boss was at my office, and she just immediately says "I need to speak to you". She pulled me into the conference room, told me how we inherently didn't mesh and our relationship wouldn't get better, and that "I just can't work with you, so I need to let you go." She cited the fact she "couldnt work with me" as the reason for firing, but also that I skirted around projects (she couldn't list any examples when I asked for them). Anyway, there is no documentation of me violating policy, theres no formal reason as to why I was fired, there was no warning to me being fired, no disciplinary history, and as far as I know she didn't consult anybody else. While I can't prove she read the email that was on my computer, I have a suspicion that it was the reason for my termination. Basically my question is, can I fight this at all? Specifically could I claim wrongful termination? I dont have the employee handbook, so I dont know what the company procedure for termination is. Since I wasnt given a formal reason for my termination, I dont know what policies I supposedly violated. | f7m527a | f7m3m5g | 1,573,854,852 | 1,573,853,892 | 1,202 | 393 | First of all - your direct boss determines what projects you work on. I work as a consultant, and I don’t do a damn thing that is not assigned by my project leans and is consistent with my statement of work, without clearing it by someone that is authorized to make that decision. Those other departments had no right to give you projects directly unless your boss set that arrangement up beforehand, and your response should have been either to clear it with your boss, or tell them to request through your boss. This is a common problem in businesses; where outside people overload you and prevent you from completing your primary objective (by definition, the one assigned by your boss). More importantly, you’re an intern. You’re there to learn how to do your job in a workplace, not to endlessly argue with your boss. If your employer wants to hire you to dig holes on odd days and fill them in on even days, that is their right - you can either do that, apply to do something else internally, or quit. Excessive arguing is, by definition, insubordination. | No, this is not wrongful termination. You're not owed a formal reason for dismissal. File for unemployment, appeal when denied. | 1 | 960 | 3.058524 |
dwx9pw | legaladvice_train | 0.71 | [Indiana] I was just fired, despite my boss not being able to provide any documented examples of me violating company policy, or being able to list evidence of the reason she was firing. So a few hours ago I just got fired from my job. I was a part time Mechanical Engineering intern, who was supposed to work from summer to fall, go to school in the spring, then come back for summer and fall. For the past week I've been having daily arguments with my boss over very minor and petty things. For example, she'd be upset that it took me a day and a half to make a training sheet for her instead of a day, or that I was doing projects for other departments (Small company with me being the only engineer, so its kinda expected). She would consistently accuse my of skirting around projects, despite me still delivering results every 1-2 days. During these arguments she would also do things that I believe were out of line, like pull out a phone and start recording me for "training purposes" or telling me "shit rolls down hill, and I'm at the top of the hill." She would also go to other departments and demand they stop giving me projects. The thing that pushed me over the edge was when she marched me into HR just to tell me that she didn't want a black outline around the text boxes on her training sheet. During these arguments I'd lament about how shes extremely rushing a non-critical project (I know its non-critical because despite her demanding a day turnaround time from me, the completed sheets would just sit on her desk instead of going to the floor, which I criticized her for). I'd argue about how it wasn't her place to dictate what projects I can/can't accept, since my job was to help *everyone* in the company. Along this I reminded her that if the CEO or the CFO gave me a project, their projects would automatically get prioritized over hers for obvious reasons. Anyway after dealing with these arguments daily, I finally drafted an email to the CFO and the HR person about how I felt it was Harassment and I asked them to intervene. I had to ask one of the maintenance people about when a certain argument happened on a certain date, so I left the email on my desk and went to the floor. When I came back my boss was at my office, and she just immediately says "I need to speak to you". She pulled me into the conference room, told me how we inherently didn't mesh and our relationship wouldn't get better, and that "I just can't work with you, so I need to let you go." She cited the fact she "couldnt work with me" as the reason for firing, but also that I skirted around projects (she couldn't list any examples when I asked for them). Anyway, there is no documentation of me violating policy, theres no formal reason as to why I was fired, there was no warning to me being fired, no disciplinary history, and as far as I know she didn't consult anybody else. While I can't prove she read the email that was on my computer, I have a suspicion that it was the reason for my termination. Basically my question is, can I fight this at all? Specifically could I claim wrongful termination? I dont have the employee handbook, so I dont know what the company procedure for termination is. Since I wasnt given a formal reason for my termination, I dont know what policies I supposedly violated. | f7m527a | f7m3efk | 1,573,854,852 | 1,573,853,746 | 1,202 | 374 | First of all - your direct boss determines what projects you work on. I work as a consultant, and I don’t do a damn thing that is not assigned by my project leans and is consistent with my statement of work, without clearing it by someone that is authorized to make that decision. Those other departments had no right to give you projects directly unless your boss set that arrangement up beforehand, and your response should have been either to clear it with your boss, or tell them to request through your boss. This is a common problem in businesses; where outside people overload you and prevent you from completing your primary objective (by definition, the one assigned by your boss). More importantly, you’re an intern. You’re there to learn how to do your job in a workplace, not to endlessly argue with your boss. If your employer wants to hire you to dig holes on odd days and fill them in on even days, that is their right - you can either do that, apply to do something else internally, or quit. Excessive arguing is, by definition, insubordination. | > Specifically could I claim wrongful termination? No. You can file for unemployment while seeking a new job. | 1 | 1,106 | 3.213904 |
dwx9pw | legaladvice_train | 0.71 | [Indiana] I was just fired, despite my boss not being able to provide any documented examples of me violating company policy, or being able to list evidence of the reason she was firing. So a few hours ago I just got fired from my job. I was a part time Mechanical Engineering intern, who was supposed to work from summer to fall, go to school in the spring, then come back for summer and fall. For the past week I've been having daily arguments with my boss over very minor and petty things. For example, she'd be upset that it took me a day and a half to make a training sheet for her instead of a day, or that I was doing projects for other departments (Small company with me being the only engineer, so its kinda expected). She would consistently accuse my of skirting around projects, despite me still delivering results every 1-2 days. During these arguments she would also do things that I believe were out of line, like pull out a phone and start recording me for "training purposes" or telling me "shit rolls down hill, and I'm at the top of the hill." She would also go to other departments and demand they stop giving me projects. The thing that pushed me over the edge was when she marched me into HR just to tell me that she didn't want a black outline around the text boxes on her training sheet. During these arguments I'd lament about how shes extremely rushing a non-critical project (I know its non-critical because despite her demanding a day turnaround time from me, the completed sheets would just sit on her desk instead of going to the floor, which I criticized her for). I'd argue about how it wasn't her place to dictate what projects I can/can't accept, since my job was to help *everyone* in the company. Along this I reminded her that if the CEO or the CFO gave me a project, their projects would automatically get prioritized over hers for obvious reasons. Anyway after dealing with these arguments daily, I finally drafted an email to the CFO and the HR person about how I felt it was Harassment and I asked them to intervene. I had to ask one of the maintenance people about when a certain argument happened on a certain date, so I left the email on my desk and went to the floor. When I came back my boss was at my office, and she just immediately says "I need to speak to you". She pulled me into the conference room, told me how we inherently didn't mesh and our relationship wouldn't get better, and that "I just can't work with you, so I need to let you go." She cited the fact she "couldnt work with me" as the reason for firing, but also that I skirted around projects (she couldn't list any examples when I asked for them). Anyway, there is no documentation of me violating policy, theres no formal reason as to why I was fired, there was no warning to me being fired, no disciplinary history, and as far as I know she didn't consult anybody else. While I can't prove she read the email that was on my computer, I have a suspicion that it was the reason for my termination. Basically my question is, can I fight this at all? Specifically could I claim wrongful termination? I dont have the employee handbook, so I dont know what the company procedure for termination is. Since I wasnt given a formal reason for my termination, I dont know what policies I supposedly violated. | f7m527a | f7m44in | 1,573,854,852 | 1,573,854,234 | 1,202 | 227 | First of all - your direct boss determines what projects you work on. I work as a consultant, and I don’t do a damn thing that is not assigned by my project leans and is consistent with my statement of work, without clearing it by someone that is authorized to make that decision. Those other departments had no right to give you projects directly unless your boss set that arrangement up beforehand, and your response should have been either to clear it with your boss, or tell them to request through your boss. This is a common problem in businesses; where outside people overload you and prevent you from completing your primary objective (by definition, the one assigned by your boss). More importantly, you’re an intern. You’re there to learn how to do your job in a workplace, not to endlessly argue with your boss. If your employer wants to hire you to dig holes on odd days and fill them in on even days, that is their right - you can either do that, apply to do something else internally, or quit. Excessive arguing is, by definition, insubordination. | You cant argue with your boss. No matter how right you may be. | 1 | 618 | 5.295154 |
dwx9pw | legaladvice_train | 0.71 | [Indiana] I was just fired, despite my boss not being able to provide any documented examples of me violating company policy, or being able to list evidence of the reason she was firing. So a few hours ago I just got fired from my job. I was a part time Mechanical Engineering intern, who was supposed to work from summer to fall, go to school in the spring, then come back for summer and fall. For the past week I've been having daily arguments with my boss over very minor and petty things. For example, she'd be upset that it took me a day and a half to make a training sheet for her instead of a day, or that I was doing projects for other departments (Small company with me being the only engineer, so its kinda expected). She would consistently accuse my of skirting around projects, despite me still delivering results every 1-2 days. During these arguments she would also do things that I believe were out of line, like pull out a phone and start recording me for "training purposes" or telling me "shit rolls down hill, and I'm at the top of the hill." She would also go to other departments and demand they stop giving me projects. The thing that pushed me over the edge was when she marched me into HR just to tell me that she didn't want a black outline around the text boxes on her training sheet. During these arguments I'd lament about how shes extremely rushing a non-critical project (I know its non-critical because despite her demanding a day turnaround time from me, the completed sheets would just sit on her desk instead of going to the floor, which I criticized her for). I'd argue about how it wasn't her place to dictate what projects I can/can't accept, since my job was to help *everyone* in the company. Along this I reminded her that if the CEO or the CFO gave me a project, their projects would automatically get prioritized over hers for obvious reasons. Anyway after dealing with these arguments daily, I finally drafted an email to the CFO and the HR person about how I felt it was Harassment and I asked them to intervene. I had to ask one of the maintenance people about when a certain argument happened on a certain date, so I left the email on my desk and went to the floor. When I came back my boss was at my office, and she just immediately says "I need to speak to you". She pulled me into the conference room, told me how we inherently didn't mesh and our relationship wouldn't get better, and that "I just can't work with you, so I need to let you go." She cited the fact she "couldnt work with me" as the reason for firing, but also that I skirted around projects (she couldn't list any examples when I asked for them). Anyway, there is no documentation of me violating policy, theres no formal reason as to why I was fired, there was no warning to me being fired, no disciplinary history, and as far as I know she didn't consult anybody else. While I can't prove she read the email that was on my computer, I have a suspicion that it was the reason for my termination. Basically my question is, can I fight this at all? Specifically could I claim wrongful termination? I dont have the employee handbook, so I dont know what the company procedure for termination is. Since I wasnt given a formal reason for my termination, I dont know what policies I supposedly violated. | f7m3efk | f7m3m5g | 1,573,853,746 | 1,573,853,892 | 374 | 393 | > Specifically could I claim wrongful termination? No. You can file for unemployment while seeking a new job. | No, this is not wrongful termination. You're not owed a formal reason for dismissal. File for unemployment, appeal when denied. | 0 | 146 | 1.050802 |
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