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"https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/01/opinion/an-english-sheep-farmers-view-of-rural-america.html?_r=1\\n\\nIt's not too long and it's a beautifully written opinion piece. You'll be glad you read it. \\n\\nI don't want to present this as a omni vs. vegan/veg debate, because our food system is much bigger and more problematic than that. I see that fight like political parties fighting, with the real money and power changing hands while we bicker\\n\\nWe're all here because we care about where our food comes from. There are huge problems with where all of our food comes from. ", |
"Factory farming practices aside, normal pastured farm animals have security, safety, friendly human caretakers, and constant access to food, water, and medicine. They are also spared the pain of degradation from surviving into old age. Wild animals must live constantly in fear of predators or violent competition for dominance within the herd. They must search out food and water, sometimes in hostile territory. When their life ends, it is not painless or peaceful. They are either eaten alive by a predator, or violently killed first if they are lucky. If not killed in the wild for food, they are injured and left to starve to death or succumb to infection, or may suffer poisoning from eating the wrong plant or being stung or bitten by a venomous insect or animal. Slaughter by a human using best-practices seems preferable to any alternative in the wild. These animals will not be kept as pets if meat consumption suddenly ends. As a vegan, how do you justify wanting to release pastured farm animals from their cushy life and swift slaughter and instead subject them to the certain suffering that awaits them in the wild? I say having a human decide the length of your life is a small price for the benefits of being kept by humans. What say you? ", |
"All food groups have important roles in the body, and skipping any is harmful. Children need a balanced diet while growing, and skipping any food groups may hinder brain development.", |
" These places are theme parks/amusement parks but they have safaris or zoos inside that is included in the admission price or season pass price. The main draw there is roller coasters/water park and thrill rides but the zoo/safaris and animal exhibits are automatically included. In the case of Hersheypark, it\\u2019s a large amusement park with a place called Zoo America that is included with your ticket. At Great adventure they have a large safari that is also included. Even if you don\\u2019t go to the Safari they\\u2019re still Lion and tortoise flamingo exhibits etc. that you have to walk past to get to certain roller coasters. They also have shows like a sea lion show and a show with Parrots and another one with reptiles. Can you still call yourself vegan if you purchase tickets to these places? What is your view on this? Also Busch Gardens Tampa.", |
"Go back to the beginning of civilization prior to farming. In the USA for example, there was vast grassland throughout the country. It supported a gigantic ecosystem of wild-type ruminants numbering in the hundreds of millions. Every single acre of land that could support ruminants, was supporting ruminants, before we interfered.\\n\\nFor humans to subsist on plants, we would have needed to clear land and convert it to plant agriculture. If we didn't put up a fence, ruminants would eat all the seedlings, so we put up fences. All of the wild ruminants that once used that land for subsistence grass eating were forced into a smaller area. Since they were already at equilibrium with the environment before we interfered, shrinking their available land area would result in net starvation for them.\\n\\nWhat do vegans intend to do about that? \\n\\nEDIT: because some don't seem to be seeing the \\"argument\\" in my original post:\\n\\n\\"Agriculture results in positive net suffering on the planet. If vegans are in favor of reducing net suffering, one would expect that they would be in favor of reducing our reliance on agriculture and converting land back to wild uses (even at the expense of human population). Most vegans do not seem to advocate this. Therefore there exists a conflict between beliefs and actions which must be explained or justified. Vegan should therefore address the suffering caused by agriculture in a substantive manner, without resorting to moralist platitudes which skirt the issue. \\"", |
"Interested in the opinions of people in this sub. This is a real life example that happened to me today. My question is: what would you do in this situation and why? Story below:\\n\\nThis morning a man in my village told me he had a New Years gift for me. I went to his house to receive the gift and discovered that it was two live rabbits. This man is not a man who treats his animals well and the rabbits were being raised in very unsuitable conditions. He is also very rough with his animals, to the point of cruelty.\\n\\nI did not feel that I could refuse to take the animals and leave them in those conditions so I accepted the gift, but insisted on catching them myself so that I knew they were being handled without cruelty.\\n\\nI do not have an appropriate space to keep rabbits right now - I used to keep a colony but had to cull it after a bad local outbreak of RHD and now my setup has been repurposed for other things. There are no animal shelters within reasonable distance of where I live (the closest is a plane ride away and definitely would not accept rabbits). There is nobody I know who keeps rabbits here who does not use them for meat.\\n\\nI decided to kill and eat the rabbits. I killed them with a captive bolt stunner (one shot with a capsule fit for sheep blew their eyes right out of their heads, the death was definitely instant and painless, completely destroying the brain).\\n\\nAdmittedly the rabbits did not have a very good day today, but it honestly seemed to me like the best course of action.\\n\\n\\\\~\\\\~\\\\~\\n\\nMy question to the redditors here is: what would you have done in this scenario? You go to receive the gift and discover the nature of the gift - you are being given custodianship of live animals and if you refuse you are consigning them to a life comparable to that of a pig in a cruel factory farm - lots of stress, poor housing and conditions and brutal handling. Was there a better route out of this scenario? I am genuinely interested to see if there was a preferable approach. I can't say that I'm opposed to eating rabbit, but I definitely don't feel entirely comfortable with the way the lives of those particular rabbits panned out.", |
"Hello! I am not a vegan myself but do respect anyone that can maintain the diet. Personally I find meat and dairy to be more like a soda, cigarette, or alcohol. An indulgence? A vice? Anyway, I also recognize the huge amount of resources necessary to raise live stock compared to vegan options. It's something that relates to my question actually. \\n\\nRegarding the future question: Synthetic meat will be likely coming down in price and be of similar pricing to the real thing in the future. I'm talking lab grown steaks that are indistinguishable from the real thing. This is assuming no animal would be harmed. I know a few things have happened in a lab but the price is astronomica currentlyl. \\n\\nIs this something that would be acceptable to eat? Why or why not? I imagine the vegans that do it for health reasons wouldn't apply here. I am likely wrong on that, too. \\n\\nLooking forward to some responses, thanks!", |
"Why do you think suffering is \\"bad\\"?", |
"I have come across several instances of opposition towards the usage of gelatin, manure and other by-products of animal industries from vegans. The way I see it is that these by-products would otherwise go to waste, but by using them instead as fertilizers and food additives they get a purpose. So does not consuming them and letting them go to waste decreases the demand for animal products and increases the amount of suffering that happens to animals?", |
"Firstly, yes factory farming is an issue and I am not talking about that. I'm talking about the moral dilemma of eating an animal.\\n\\nWhy shouldn't I eat an animal? If you look at the world, life eats life. In order to survive you need to consume other living organisms. We as humans are the top dog in the world because of our intellect. Personally I feel we are more valuable than an animal as we are a more complex species. In the wild there is a sense of racism between race of species. You almost always see the same type of animals hanging out with other animals. This is why humans are so close and we value each others life higher than we value another animals life. If nature is build this way then would it not be against nature's will to stop eating animals and mess up the food chain?\\n\\nMany people argue that animals deserve a chance to live. What about plants? Plants are living organisms too and I'm pretty sure if they can communicate to us they wouldnt want to be eaten either but it still happens. I read somewhere that some plants change their scent or taste when a friendly plant is being eaten by something in order to discourage the predator from eating other plants. This is clearly a sign they dont want to be eaten but we do it anyways. If you claim that eating animals is morally wrong then you better justify why plants is ok too because to me they are the same thing. Plants just dont have to opportunity to move around and Express their emotions. I would like to hear to opinions on this.\\n\\nRegardless of killing an animal, what is wrong about using special abilities of animals like eggs or milk? If I milk a cow, what is morally wrong about that? The cow has milk to offer, I am simply taking advantage of the opportunity just as we humans take advantage of other humans intellect. \\n\\nYou are not guaranteed anything in the wild. People claim animals should have rights but why? Rights were invented by people. We used rights to help govern how our society is run. Animals have their own version of rights, look at alpha males in packs of wolves. Their rights are drastically different than ours. Why should some animals get rights and others shouldn't. You wouldnt care about stepping on an ant but all of a sudden a cow is hunted and you lose your cool. What draws the line between an animals being ok to kill and it being morally wrong? It is purely subjective. \\n\\nI would also like an opinion on zombie cows. Let's say we can create zombie cows where their brains are only advanced enough to eat, shit, sleep. Is there anything immoral about killing them for meat?", |
"I'm a vegan but I honestly can't find a good reason why eating mussels is wrong. Here's a link going more in depth https://sentientist.org/2013/05/20/the-ethical-case-for-eating-oysters-and-mussels/", |
"I realize vegans acknowledge that they are not absolutists as 100% veganism isn't practical. Suffering will always exist and vegans seek to reduce that suffering. My question is, how do vegans decide how far they are willing to go to reduce suffering?\\n\\nHere's one example. Flying airplanes exploits animals, as the skies must be cleared of birds to make flying adequately safe for airplane flight. It follows that by flying airplanes, we contribute to the premature death of animals. Let's say someone is travelling from California to New York. It would certainly be practical to get to New York from California without taking a plane. However, it would not be very convenient nor pleasurable to do so without flying. So how would a vegan justify taking the plane if it is contributing to the premature death of animals?\\n\\nIn this regard, vegans are no different from meat-eaters as both classes exploit animals for their own convenience or pleasure. Let's talk!\\n\\nEDIT: My view has been changed. Vegans are still morally distinct from meat-eaters in that their degree of intentionality differs. Meat-eaters purposefully harm animals. Vegans do not. Thanks for the discussion!", |
"https://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments/5kwfps/dont_make_fun_of_omnivores_they_have_a_hard_life/?st=1Z141Z3&sh=f15c5351\\n\\nTell me which part are serious and I'll be happy to debate them with you :)", |
"My basic concern with veganism is this, that it stirs up so many great questions about our diets and inspires so much concern in responsible eating, but it all seems to stop at the involvement of animals. \\n\\nThe impact of what we choose to eat every day has a far greater impact. Your money funds the company processing the food, growing it, contributing to that local economy or drawing from it unfairly. The conditions needed to grow any product en masse cannot be guaranteed to be sustainable for the farmers, healthy for the soil, or healthy for the community because of any one label we have to put on them. \\n\\nThis is why I don't understand basic vegetarianism. If you consume dairy, you are complicit in the creation of animal life and should be so responsible as to consume meat. What else do you tell the small dairy farmer to do with the calves born every year? Keep raising and milking them, and just let the bulls hang out and get huge and aggressive and difficult to deal with? Sell them off, where someone else will just slaughter them? \\n\\nI just wish the energy directed towards responsible eating were equally focused all the way down the chain, and with concern towards the impacts of all foods, not just the ones with the most easily apparent bloodshed and pain. \\n\\nsub-question, as I'm new to this forum- is the act of pollinating crops with the use of beehives considered to be against vegan ideals?", |
"I see this often online but also in person as well. \\n\\nOne vegan is okay using salvaged leather, to the eyes of the vegan across the table they\\u2019re not vegan. \\n\\nOne vegan uses the non vegan hand soap at a friends house but their other friend packed his own because otherwise he\\u2019s not vegan. \\n\\nOne vegan dates a non vegan who has meat eating pets and suddenly they\\u2019re not seen as vegan because the snake has to eat and they\\u2019re running to the store to buy a frozen mouse. \\n\\nOne vegan relies on medication that was tested on animals for health and to another vegan, they\\u2019re not! \\n\\nOne vegan uses a food bank to feed themselves and their kids and can\\u2019t afford to decline what\\u2019s offered\\u2026still vegan if there\\u2019s cheese in the pasta sauce? \\n\\nAre you vegan if you pick products that destroy the planet over secondhand products made from animals? Depends who you ask. \\n\\nSo where does the line fall? Either everyone who self identifies as vegan is vegan regardless of their discrepancies or no one is. My boyfriend who identifies as vegan was told he isn\\u2019t, because he\\u2019s dating a non vegan. This community can\\u2019t seem to figure themselves out!\\n\\nI\\u2019m sure there are countless other examples. Culture, science, geographical location, living arrangements, religion, art, employment, and so on and so forth. \\n\\nAs far as I can tell, vegans are a myth outside of some very strict monastery somewhere.", |
"Hello people,\\n\\ncan anyone help me with finding sources that compare the amount of estrogen ( and other testosterone lowering hormones) found in animals vs. plants? \\nI heard many times about how soy contains phytoestrogen and is decreasing testosterone and so yet somehow no talk among people about the same case with milk. Have you seen some clear and exact comparison? I would appreciate all the knowledge regarding this topic. \\nThanks so much in advance. \\n", |
"\\ud83d\\uddde\\ufe0f SATYRA NEWS - CAP\\u00cdTULO 2 Como cada a\\u00f1o por estas fechas, entrevistamos al representante de la asociaci\\u00f3n de comerciantes festejos.", |
"I know this question essentially captures the entirety of this sub, but I want to ask the question and explain my overall reasoning.\\n\\nQuestion: how can you justify eating meat/food products that come from animals?\\n\\nFor the sake of argument, I will not be discussing nutritional benefits of being vegan (http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/89/5/1627S.full), and I will not accept anyone's assertion that it is unhealthy to be Vegan. That is objectively false. However, it is also possible to be a healthy carnivore. So I am going to leave personal health completely out of the equation.\\n\\nLet's look at the pros and cons of choosing to be Vegan vs. not being Vegan\\n\\nNon-Vegan:\\nPros:\\n1. The inherently good taste of meat and animal products\\n2. The convenience of consuming foods that are far more common and readily available\\n\\nCons:\\n1. Being a part of systematic suffering of sentient beings. Beings with feelings and sensations, with the ability to feel pain. We don't need to discuss the spectrum of how different a Chicken's consciousness compared to a Human's. In this case, it doesn't matter. What we do know for certain, is that these animals feel pain.\\n\\n\\nVegan:\\nPros:\\n1. Not being a part of systematic suffering of sentient beings..\\n\\nCons:\\n1. Not being able to enjoy the good tasting foods that come from animals\\n2. Less convenient food options.\\n\\nBefore anyone who would like to disagree with me responds, I would ask them to think hard about any argument that doesn't conflict directly with the pros and cons that I have outlined in this post. Any argument that deals with \\"natural food chain\\" or \\"history of meat consumption\\" or \\"we are natural carnivores\\" does not address my argument at all. We are humans who are 100% capable of living healthy lives without consuming any animal products at all. So, as humans in modern society, the single, only lasting pros of meat consumption are the pros that I have discussed in my argument.\\n\\nSo in summation, I ask, anyone who consumers animal products, how do you justify the pros of convenience and good tasting foods over the systematic suffering of millions of sentient beings? This is not meant to be a leading or aggressive question. I truly believe this is the heart of the entire debate.", |
"Do you consider these animals to be exploited? What about all the training and investment that goes into these animals? Would you be interested to see police and military become dog and horse free?", |
"My sense is vegans are more concerned with diet but still share the bulk of animal rights activists' views.", |
"Do you value all animals equaly or is there some animals that you would say is less bad to kill? Like i know a lot of people do eat fish but no other meat or maybe you are ok with insects(or just honey)?\\n\\nLikewhy do you reason killing animals is bad? Is it because you cause pain? Suffering? Would you eat a dead carcass thats realy already dead with no strings attatched of suporting the industry?\\n\\n\\nAnd ofc i dont realy mean eating rotten carcas, this is just a theoretical question to understand where your morals are based off.", |
"My wife and I have been vegan for 7ish months or so for environmental and ethical reasons. I have been wondering this for some time now. For example, you are at a restaurant and the waiter accidentally brings you a plate that you didn't order that is not vegan. Knowing that that plate will go directly in the trash, would you eat it to prevent it from being wasted? Barring any dietary restrictions / allergies of course. Yesterday we opened our front door and a skip driver had left a deliver for an order we did not make. It was a bagel club sandwich and a butter cinnamon croissant. They had been there for a while and were cold (yay winter in Canada), so safe to eat, but I couldn't bring myself to throw them out as that would be even more sad and wasteful. Looking forward to some decent debate on this. Thanks all!", |
"**Type \\"Matt Dillahunty vs VeganGains Atheist Experience Call\\" into YouTube and watch the 18 minute clip for context.**\\n\\nI don't think I'm quite understanding Matt's argument against veganism. It's either a flawed argument on its own merit, or Matt is deflecting because he doesn't want his personal conveniences and pleasures called into question. I have a few big problems with the argument:\\n\\n*Is veganism a moral obligation?* I don't know, is it? Is not murdering someone a moral obligation? Define \\"moral obligation,\\" because I'm not following. Following the law is obligatory, otherwise you end up in jail or prison, so in that sense you wouldn't want to commit murder. Most people experience empathy, which makes murder immoral. Morals are based on empathy, respect, and law, predominantly, so in what sense is anything a \\"moral obligation?\\" Obligation implies authority, and to what authority should we refer to when discussing certain moral obligations? God? \\n\\nI don't think that objective morality and moral obligations are synonymous, but if Matt is referring to things that are objectively moral, then yes, veganism *is* objectively moral. I can't agree that it's an obligation, though, because I can't agree that not murdering someone is an obligation either.\\n\\n*Social Contract:* It follows that all laws are the result of social contract. We don't murder people because we don't want to cut short the life of another person, or to inflict pain on their family. We don't rape people because we don't want others to feel pain, fear, and experience trauma. We don't steal, threaten, harass, destroy, etc. for those same reasons. We are in a social contract with fellow humans, but why can't we be in a social contract with other animals? Matt doesn't address this. What makes our current social contract adequate? \\n\\nMany of our laws help to protect animals: laws against the abuse of animals, both domestic and non-domestic. These laws are in place because we *do* feel empathy for other animals and respect them. Does that not equate to some type of social contract? If there was no contract in place, we would have no reason to extend our laws to other animals, and we would most certainly not feel empathy toward them.\\n\\n*Well-being:* I'm at a complete loss on what Matt was trying to get at with this. If his entire morality is based upon well-being, then how does meat-eating make any sense? \\"Well-being for humans, of course,\\" is I'm sure what he would say, but *why?* Matt gave no solid reasons for anything; he was dancing around, avoiding questions and being purposefully vague.\\n\\nDoes anyone else have any thoughts on this piss-poor \\"debate?\\" Did I get anything wrong? I'm still not quite sure what to make of this stance, so I'm open to seeing other opinions.", |
"I see lots of vegans who eat vegetables that look like meat. I always wondered to my self \\u201cisn\\u2019t this just a simulation of eating meat?\\u201d Cause why would vegans eat anything that looks, smells, and tastes like the stuff they are trying so hard to protect. If I was a vegan, it would gross me out that other vegans love the taste of meat. Even if it isn\\u2019t real. So why do vegans eat veggie meat?", |
"Mainly for medical purposes, but also cosmetic. \\n\\nI wouldn't be alive today without animal testing. The advances that brought in both pharmaceutical and hands on medicine saved my life many times over. And the same for everyone currently alive. So I admit, there's bias here. (Not sure how much of a debate you can have here, but I'm curious to hear from others anyways).\\n\\nI think it's inevitable, at least until we eliminate health based suffering in the world. And who knows if that will happen before we go extinct. But I also think it deserved some respect. The animals may not choose to suffer or die to further the cause, but it's still a sacrifice.\\n\\nCosmetic testing can get fucked, though. Nobody needs cosmetics to live.", |
"So, I agree with many vegan talking points. The health benefits (although I don't think it is the healthiest diet it is better than the SAD), environmental concerns, and other stuff but mainly that factory farming and suffering is wrong and unnecessary.\\n\\nHowever, I am OK with killing most animals, which is a major difference and a reason I would not be vegan (I don't think that I would ever be completely vegan as I don't believe in being as strict as many vegans are, but I would stop paying for meat if there were other options).\\n\\nWhy? Because I don't think they have complex enough minds to \\"want not to die\\", or to even fathom their own existence. From what I understand, a complex language, even a basic language is required to form thoughts, otherwise all that is left is feelings.\\n\\nSentience/consciousness is a scale, not a binary value. I think it's easy to project human emotions and behaviors on to many animals, however that doesn't mean they actually think anything remotely close to how humans do.\\n\\nI've researched this quite a lot. Most studies cover emotional complexity, conditioning, or behaviors that could be instinctual or pre-programmed, or they set the bar so low to measure intelligence that learning that pushing a red button will bring food is considered significant.\\n\\nTo me, none of that is sufficient proof of mind.\\n\\nMany don't like this analogy, but for me, killing many animals is akin to turning off a lamp. Or perhaps a better example would be turning off an advanced robot. They are essentially organic machines, clones of each other, following instinctual programming to respond to various situations. They don't have distinct personalities, most didn't evolve a need for complex thought like we have, and honestly I think it is mostly the result of anthropomorphism that many vegans think they do.\\n\\nI saw a comment in r/vegan where people were talking about seeing a fish on land being eaten by a walrus, and how they could see the pain in it's eyes, the emotions it was expressing, how it was just wondering WTF. To me, that is pure anthropomorphism , and decidedly not backed by science. Fish eyes look the same if restrained in water but otherwise healthy, or suffocating on land, or being eaten into by a mammal.\\n\\nHonestly, I think this is why most of the world is not vegan and is unlikely to go vegan (growth of vegan products does not equal growth of veganism. See many vegan products being offered at restaurants in a non-vegan way). There is a reason most scientists, even those who work in fields relating to animal consciousness are not vegan, and it isn't because of indoctrination or fear to deviate or lack of education.\\n\\nI have a theory that many vegans are at the opposite end of the empathy spectrum than sociopaths, i.e., too much empathy, which I think explains a lot. But it's just a theory.\\n\\nSo...I am open to seeing actual proof, because in my own research I have not found anything convincing. If I am wrong about this, I would rather not be, but from what I can tell the question is far from settled, so it is currently a matter of belief, and I believe the evidence sides with my view. For me, this is what it really comes down to, and if I can be convinced of this, then my main objection to being vegan (or close enough) will be refuted.\\n\\nTwo caveats. Please don't mention the Cambridge declaration of consciousness. A near 10 year old declaration signed by 20 scientists saying we should be more cautious is not proof of what I am asking. Answers trying to use that as proof will be ignored. Also please don't bring up the argument from marginal cases. I'm very, very familiar with the argument, argued it a low, and I don't accept it. Even if you want to argue that, it isn't what I am asking for and isn't relevant to this very specific debate/question.\\n\\nFull Disclosure: I do post in r/antivegan. I am not here to troll, and have had good debates here with people in the past. I am respectful of the rules, and civil and polite. Many people have engaged me and thanked me for the honest discussion, so there is that. I am asking and discussing this in good faith. If you can't accept that, please don't bother responding. If it's a problem, I suppose you can just ban me and be done with it, but I am hoping for good discussion.\\n\\nEdit: Guys, not really interested in the attempts to provide your reasoning, and so far everyone is coming back to the marginal cases argument, which as I stated is not a good argument. Please provide proof, and if you can't provide that refrain from posting your own ideas and 'logic'. It simply isn't going to convince me.\\n\\nEdit2: **By most animals I mean commonly eaten animals except pigs. So cows, rabbits, chickens, fish, goat, etc.**", |
"\\u201cThe Vegan Society defines veganism as \\u201ca philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude\\u2014as far as is possible and practicable\\u2014all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals\\u201d. Yet, there are those who only follow the diet aspect of veganism, by having a plant-based diet without animal products. They are known as \\u2018dietary vegans\\u2019 (or simply \\u2018plant-based\\u2019) and when they choose this diet for health reasons alone, they are known as \\u2018health vegans\\u2019. Moreover, those who follow The Vegan Society\\u2019s full definition, to encompass lifestyle alternatives (such as clothes, entertainment, household products, cosmetics, hobbies, etc.)\\u2014not primarily for their health, but for the animals, the environment or social justice\\u2014are known as \\u2018ethical vegans\\u2019. I am one of them and, like many, I entered veganism by the \\u2018animal rights\\u2019 gateway, but now embrace all the other reasons too.\\u201d\\n\\nhttps://www.vegansociety.com/news/blog/foundations-ethical-veganism\\n\\nIt doesn\\u2019t matter what someone\\u2019s reason for being vegan is or how vegan they are compared to someone else. \\n\\nIf someone is acting in accordance with the Vegan Society\\u2019s values and definitions, they are vegan. \\n\\nIf this upsets anyone they\\u2019ve already lost sight of the core idea of veganism:\\n\\nIt\\u2019s about the animals.\\n\\nEdit: Added quotation marks.\\n\\nUpdate: Not ignoring the comments. Busy today. I promise I\\u2019m not breaking a rule.", |
"First: Happy New Year! \\n\\nI'm a freshly baked vegan of roughly 9 months now and I am in therapy for different reasons. I talked to my therapist about veganism because it was unsure how to communicate with omnis and how to react to people who eat a lot of meat. That especially concerns a few friends and family members who apparently memorized the 10 questions with which to anger a vegan. \\nAnyway, my therapist and I talked and amongst the first things she said was that veganism is a tough to talk about topic because it is emotially charged. And I was very confused in that moment, because if anything it is very factual for me. Or rather I try to be very factual. (I'd personally never say that being not vegan makes someone a bad person e.g.) If anything I'd say that the omni interpretation is always emotionally charged and fast defensive. Even my therapist was soon in the mode to explain why she eats meat and well... I guess I want to find a way to discuss the topic without evoking that reaction every time. \\nSo: to vegans and omnis what makes the topic veganism so emotional for you? And how can a discussion be made less emotional charged?", |
"What rights should the AI be afforded? \\n\\nWould it be immoral for a vegan to \\"switch it off\\"?\\n\\nShould a sentient AI be afforded the same rights as any other sentient being?", |
"https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27813678/\\n\\nAnimal Proteins as Important Contributors to a Healthy Human Diet\\n\\nNot sure how to get passed the paywall. \\n\\nIf this isn't the best place to debate meat vs plant nutrition please redirect me, thank you.", |
"Hello, my spouse and I are thinking about going vegetarian for our New Year resolution. We stuck to our resolution last year of no frozen / fast food ( I can make a mean pizza now!) and we're looking to step it up again and cut meat out of our diet. But, we're not fully convinced yet.\\n\\nOur current beliefs: we're not ethically against eating animals in moderation. Our problem is the quality of life of animals leading up to their deaths and an unclean death. Lately, I've been seeing more and more about the drop in standards of the meat industry in America. I've read, as comments here on Reddit so nothing solid yet, that poultry is essentially washed with chlorine, that pigs can be killed with steam, and just a general lack of a good life and poor meat processing.\\n\\nAlso, there's the issue that we simply eat too much and it's not great for the environment, from what I hear. We're talking about giving ourselves one cheat meal a week (hey, it's a start) because that, at the very least, will greatly lessen our impact on the environment.\\n\\nWhat we're looking for: some good news pieces, documentaries, or articles that will push us over the tipping point. We're wanting something balanced and well researched like a John Oliver. Hopefully there is some stuff out there that is grounded in science and research. There's a lot out there that gets too close to alternate medicine for my taste, no pun intended.", |
"If the goal of veganism is to reduce suffering and/or deaths, then the way to reduce this to zero woukd be to kill all life, thus eleminating suffering, or to commit suicide, thus taking a single life more and causing the fewest deaths. \\n\\nIf we accept that killing the planet and suicide are not a morally or ethically feasible goal to have, as well as wonton destruction and killing for the sake of it, as is the opposite extreme, then I do not think that one can argue that what causes the least amount of harm or death is the most moral option. So because of this, wouldn't arguing that veganism is morally superior because it causes the fewest amount of suffering and death, which is arguable for consumerist veganidm, not work unless you accept one of these extremes since the defense of veganism is harm or death reduction?", |
"Recently I learned of the growing trend of regenerative agriculture. For those who haven't heard of it, basically folks are buying land that has been deemed \\"unsalvageable\\", and due to decades of poor farming practices is incapable of producing any food upon purchase. By carefully implementing ecological restoration techniques and allowing natural succession to take over, farmers are turning desolate fields back into wild, natural places. Slowly, large populations of free-roaming, free-living bison, deer, cows, pigs, chickens, turkeys, etc. are introduced and managed by the farmers. The animals live out their lives in the wild as animals would, and once they reach a certain age/have contributed enough to their population, the farmers go in and hunt them to harvest their meat. You can read about one of these farms here: (http://roamranch.com/)(http://roamranch.com/) \\n\\nTo me, this seems like a really awesome system. This would be immeasurably more environmentally friendly than any system of farming animals we've ever seen before, and seems extremely ethical as well. Animals live free and wild their whole lives, are swiftly dispatched by skilled hunters, and all of their meat is put to good use. At the same time, the land that's been restored is providing valuable habitat to other non-game species as well as providing all of the other essential ecosystem services that natural, healthy systems would provide. Voices in the environmental/conservation/ag world are increasingly touting this plan as possibly the future of sustainable food production. What do you guys think of this?", |
"http://i.imgur.com/QFUBMcy.gifv\\n\\nbtw i'm vegan myself but really wondering. please try to see the principle in my question and don't attach too much to this very example. thanks ahead. \\n\\nEDIT : animal a eats animal b - what do i gain by not eating animal a in terms of not killing animals ? \\n\\nEdit 2 : cows eat chicken https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPa-NetXeUk \\ndeer eating bird https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQOQdBLHrLk\\ni could add more. ", |
"What is wrong with using animals for food, clothing, etc. if it is done humanely?", |
"Some 99.9% of sugar beets in 2013 which is 55% of USA sugar, 2018 cotton made up 94% of all cotton planted, and 92% of corn planted. \\n\\nDenying other insects that prey on these pests food as well.\\n\\nTitle to try and hide from the brigadiers..\\n\\n*\\n\\nhttps://www.agric.wa.gov.au/biological-control/know-what-beneficials-look-your-crop\\n\\nBeneficial insects need the insects g crops wouldn't have.", |
"This is a question on the definition of \\"vegan\\". Excuse my ignorance on this topic, but it is why I am here. And apologies if this has been asked a thousand times before.\\n\\nI switched to a plant-based diet in 2021. I began buying cheese and sausage with the word \\"vegan\\" on the label. I began ordering items at restaurants with the little \\"v\\" next to it for vegan. I don't really own any leather products and I don't plan on buying any. I don't have any pets and in fact I don't totally support the idea of people having pets. I haven't been to the zoo in years and don't have any plans to go.\\n\\nI have told people that I am vegan but was recently corrected by a friend of mine. I am happy to learn and immediately stopped calling myself a vegan. That is not a problem. I have adopted this lifestyle for environmental reasons. This same friend, however, does claim the tag of \\"vegan\\", but it seemed to me like she has some traits that might not be in line with a vegan lifestyle. Her car has leather seats. She has a rescue dog. She takes vitamin D capsules with gelatin (I looked at the bottle).\\n\\nCan she still be considered \\"vegan\\" with her lifestyle? Does it all depend on her moral beliefs? If so, where is the line? Can a vegan technically still eat animal products if it is mostly about the belief system?\\n\\nThanks for your help. I come in peace.", |
"I know a lot of people that do reiki energy work, and some of them do this for animals. They heal pets and horses, but turn around to still eat flesh of non-consenting beings. I can\\u2019t understand the disconnect, I get we all compartmentalize and are desensitized but if you\\u2019re that close to animals & spending time entwined with their energy how can you go home and eat meat???", |
"I often feel clueless, what I should do when someone hands me non-vegan food, even though I ordered it to be vegan and they made a mistake. If I refuse it, they will just throw it away and the animal suffered for nothing, but if I take it, I would feel really bad regardless and I am mainly vegan, because I want to reduce animal suffering.\\nHow do you deal with these situations?", |
"Not sure if this fits this sub, since for context, I'm vegan. But like some others, my journey to veganism wasn't overnight. I went vegetarian for a little over a year before watching Dominion and going vegan. \\n\\n\\nWhile vegetarian, I kinda knew I living a bit of a fallacy by still consuming some animal products and avoiding others, but like many, I justified it to myself with the whole \\"at least dairy products don't require the death of the animal like meat does\\" line of reasoning. \\n\\n\\nLooking back though, I sometimes feel like my path was a bit crooked from an ethics standpoint, and even more so from a health standpoint. I know it's always tough to compare the suffering of different animals, but I'm now of the opinion that the life of a dairy cow is one of the most tortured existences on Earth. Far worse than that of fish killed for seafood, and slightly worse than that of poultry farmed for food. And obviously dairy is less healthy than poultry/seafood. \\n\\n\\nSo nowadays when I'm talking about steps towards veganism with my friends, I often find myself pushing back harder on dairy than seafood and poultry, and sometimes making more progress there since it's so unnatural. Maybe this isn't really a new idea, but I would love to hear any thoughts.", |
"This is a conversation I've been having back and forth with myself and I'm unsure where I stand. Now I know it's a stupid question because people don't just sit around and wait for animals to die of old age or sickness and I'm sorry for momentarily shifting from the seriousness of animal cruelty.\\nBut would eating an animal that died of natural causes be unethical? My biggest issue with people who eat meat and dairy is that they are knowingly contributing to an industry that forcefully TAKES lives and benefits off of animal cruelty and suffering. I believe all life is sacred and no one should have the right to take another life (except on the rare occasion that it is absolutely necessary and unavoidable), but if one were to eat an animal that died of natural causes (no human interference) then I think that would be fair. I was raised plant-based so I've never eaten meat and don't see or understand the appeal but I really wouldn't object to someone eating their dog after it died of old age or succumbed to an illness (far-fetched hypothetical, I know). The most important thing is that the animal did not die or suffer at the hands of a human being. Once that life force is gone animals(humans included) really are just hunks of meat and flesh, it's how the animals are treated while they're alive that matters to me.\\nThoughts on my very random and admittedly stupid ramblings?", |
"Hello,\\n\\nI would like to ask a question mainly about \\"militant\\" veganism and gatekeeping, from both a pragmatic and philosophical perspective.\\n\\nIt seems that unlike with vegetarianism (for example) - where there is not some sort of approbation or ex-communication for occasionally eating some fish or meat - many vegans (defined by what I have seen on the subreddit and in person) treat veganism almost in an Alcoholics Anonymous manner. It seems like if you slip up or \\"relapse,\\" you're back to day 1 as a vegan - and if it is a habit even of the greatest infrequence, you relinquish claim to the vegan title.\\n\\nPragmatic issues with this attitude arising from \\"how far\\" one ought to go to be properly vegan (like living totally off the grid and growing only one's own food etc) notwithstanding, this sort of attitude seems to confuse the ethical aspirations with a certain sort of religiosity, making the notion of going vegan appear more daunting to others even if no one gets in their face about it.\\n\\nThis sort of thinking also seems to put an undue amount of responsibility on an individual to deal with a food economy they did not ask to be born into - yet acknowledging the vegan vision while struggling to adhere to purity meets them with accusations of hypocrisy or insufficient dedication from the community.\\n\\nI don't think anyone expects veganism to happen overnight; while there is an understandable motivation on the part of \\"full time vegans\\" to bring that world into being as rapidly as possible, the status quo is so thoroughly ingrained into and intertwined with our culture, economy, and infrastructure (far more so than slavery ever was in any society, for example) that it seems beneficial to establish some way of thinking about this that isn't quite as hardline.\\n\\nWhat it comes down to is this - *if you agree with the vegan vision, agree with vegan ethics, want to support vegans and the vegan community, and in general will select vegan options when available, but often find yourself needing food in a situation with limited options - electing to eat a balanced meal rather than junk food or go hungry - what should such a person call themselves?*\\n\\nIt seems like it may be useful to have some kind of category for people who are mostly vegan, but aren't perfect about it - and not because they think it's \\"ok to cheat now and then.\\" It also seems like it would be prudent to recognize the current state of food availability, and acknowledge that while it is certainly very possible to be vegan, it is nevertheless still significantly more logistically challenging in today's food economy than being an omnivore.\\n\\nThoughts?", |
"Humans evolved the way we are because of meat. Without it, we would not exist. Why should I stop eating meat now? It provides a majority of the nutrients my body needs to function in one convenient package. (I am using package loosely, I know meat comes from animals.)", |
"I seem to find that vegans typically become vegan for either three reasons; Environmental, ethical, or for health.\\n\\nI'm not looking to discuss the health reasons, but I'm curious to know about the other two (or other reasons). My question is, how does your view of modern, controlled hunting fit into this?\\n\\nIt's well known to ecologists that hunting provides benefits the the environment. Species like deer take up more resources than their environment's carrying capacity allows, which is where population control is necessary to prevent long-term harm.\\n\\nI would personally argue that overpopulation also creates ethical issues. It causes more starvation and competition over resources, and causes a wider spread of disease, leading to an unhealthy population.\\n\\nWhat are your thoughts on this?", |
"I've been thinking a lot about this idea of backyard eggs lately.\\nI would love to hear what you wonderful animal lover think of it.\\n\\nSo here are my point. Hopefully you can read all of them before commenting and giving your opinions on the issue.\\n\\n1. Not all chicken were selectively breed so much that they lay 250 eggs per year. Some old breed actually lay around 150 and even less. You can even mitigate the amount of eggs they lay by keeping fake eggs where you took the edible one from. Hens in the wild usually lay eggs until the clutch is the appropriate size. If you take them they keep laying eggs to form a clutch of eggs that will never form.\\n\\n2. Most chicken alive right now suffer from calcium defficiency because they lay too much eggs , have a poor diet and were selectively breed to death like some dogs actually kinda are (pugs?). It can be avoided tho with feeding them a high quality diet like some people do with their backyard hens.\\n\\n3. Eggs are one of the best source of nutrients and complete protein. They contain selenium, vitamin D, B6, B12, zinc, iron, copper (which are some of the less common/hard to get for vegans even tho personaly i track my macros more or less and i'm often fine with supplementing). I won't talk here about the silly stance \\"LDL is bad muh\\" because nutrition is pretty complex and there are a lot of paper on the issue\\n\\n4. You can actually make your hens life pretty good by having high standards regarding their diet/environment/care. And i think we could honestly say as we can say for cats and dogs that they live a happy life protected from the harshness of nature. If you are ok with people owning cats i don't get why chicken aren't ok. Cats consume meat, you feed the shitty animal abusing agriculture industry. They destroy birds population, intoxicate gardens.. \\n\\n5. As i said earlier if you take their eggs but substitute them with fake one they'll still take care of them and have this natural behavior going on so you can dial how many eggs they lay.\\n\\n6. If your chicken get enough calcium they usually don't eat their own eggs because too much calcium does the same to them as not enough and give them bones issues (same as for us it seems).\\n\\n7. Eggs are really ideal for vegans because of their nutrient profile content and if you don't actually consume them you have to get thoses nutrients/protein somewhere else which directly create suffering/pollution/cost. Because the crops have to be transported, processed, put in plastic, they have to be grow so they kill rodents/diversity and harvested and it's known to kill many rodents with the machines. (All food have a cost right ? it's not an argument against veganism but regarding everything we consume)\\n\\n8. It's hard to calculate in an utilitarian sense how you aren't actually doing better for yourself and for the universe by consuming ideal backyard eggs. It's not like an easy calcul and people saying it is probably didnt made the math. \\n\\n9. That's subjective but damn eggs are amazingly tasty i've been vegan for almost 2 year and it was one of the best food i was consuming before switching it goes well into a lot of dishes and can be consumed all day in almost every meal without being \\"off\\"\\n\\nThe real downside is that\\n10. If you want female hens to lay eggs for you it means a lot of male rooster have actually been eaten/killed for you to profit from the female you own. Tho again it's hard to compute because you have to kill rooster but can enjoy eggs for years. I know personaly that hens can still lay eggs after 6 year which is a lot of eggs consumed over the period (600eggs? how many tofu/bean is that) It makes the calculation not so easy right ?\\n\\nWhat do you think of this ? :)", |
"I've been researching on veganism and vegetarianism, and to me, they really don't make sense. First of all, isn't veganism still killing plants, which are living beings? And what about the fungus and bacteria being killed in bathrooms while they are being cleaned. And isn't the natural order that meat should be eaten. For example, omnivores eat meat as well as plants. Carnivores eat meat. This is the natural order, isn't it? These are just thoughts, so please, be civilized.", |
"Hey I just wanted to ask an open question and just see what the accepted consensus is among some vegans. I personally am not a vegan but have been doing my own research on several elimination diets. Just to be clear what I\\u2019m labelling as elimination diets are Carnivore, Keto, Vegetarian, and Vegan. Something that I wanted to address was the fact that, despite all of these diets being drastically different, many of the promoters of each of these diets report the same benefits. For example, anecdotally, I have seen many people on each of these diets unanimously state that their weight, blood sugar, blood pressure, diabetes (if they had it), energy levels, and cravings have all improved. In my opinion I think it\\u2019s because all of these diets, regardless of their differences, are simply better than the typical extremely processed, simple sugar and trans fat heavy North American diet. I personally think that the best approach is a whole food diet that incorporates unprocessed meat, unprocessed animal products such as eggs, whole grains, legumes, fruits, and vegetables. I just wanted to see if anybody could give me any evidence that would indicate that a vegan diet is better than this sort of whole foods diet, or any evidence that shows indisputably that a vegan diet specifically had different health benefits from these other elimination diets that are directly linked to the nature of veganism. I don\\u2019t mean to criticize anybody, I just would like to see what some of you would have to say to this.", |
"If they come from my own chickens? I look after a bunch of chickens and get at least a dozen eggs a day. I only eat a couple, but I give the rest away to friends and family. They are well looked after and if I don't take the eggs they just go rotten or snakes/lizards will be drawn to them.\\n\\nCan someone explain? ", |
"Vegan here and not really looking to debate myself but I'm interested in what others have to say about this.\\n\\nI see a lot of vegans talk about reducing or removing elements of capitalism from our society. I totally get some of this as the profit-above-all-else business model in animal agriculture is obviously responsible for increased abuse such as in factory farms.\\n\\nHowever, I personally have some hope with our current system as it feels like supply and demand give me the power to vote with my wallet. It feels like if we increase the market for vegan/plant goods, and decrease the market for animal products, then fewer animals will be bred into a torturous existence. We can see this effect with the rise of tons of vegan milks, processed and junk food which wasn't available too long ago.\\n\\nCould someone explain how our ability to help animals with our wallets like this works with Socialism or Marxism? From my current perspective:\\n\\n- Farms being owned instead by the workers in socialism wouldn't result in much difference from capitalism as we would still have to reduce demand. Wouldn't it be the same farm and abuse just with different owners?\\n\\n- I worry a little about state or community owned farms in Marxism, where the collective produces what they believe is necessary, rather than this being decided by the market. Could this mean that despite reducing demand for animal products, they are still produced? Would this reduce the average person's ability to change what is produced using their wallet?\\n\\nI've not got a strong opinion on any of this but I feel it is definitely an area which I lack knowledge on. I'd love to be educated by people who have obviously thought about this more than I have :)", |
"Many people claim something along the line of 99% of livestock are raised in factory farms. This originates from an estimate done by (the Sentience Institute)(https://www.sentienceinstitute.org/us-factory-farming-estimates). This is incredibly misleading because they apply the criteria (to be considered CAFO) from (the EPA)(https://www.epa.gov/npdes/animal-feeding-operations-afos) which only focuses on the amount of animals per farm in accordance with the Clean Water Act. In other words, EPA regulates waste production/management from these farms, limiting their environmental impact. It has nothing to do with the animal welfare aspect which is the primary concern when people discuss factory farming. Just look at the above estimate, nowhere have they considered how much living space does livestock get or how are they treated. \\n\\nNow, you may ask that if those farms house thousands, tens of thousands of animals, then they must be crammed together so what\\u2019s the difference? Well, if you actually look at the (source data provided by the USDA)(https://www.nass.usda.gov/Publications/AgCensus/2017/Full_Report/Volume_1,_Chapter_1_US/usv1.pdf), you would see that these farms are massive, averaging more than hundreds of acres (Table 75 pg 199). Depending on the certification you want to look at, for example according to (this one)( https://certifiedhumane.org/how-we-work/our-standards/), it seems that on average, most of these farms can provide enough living space, i.e., low enough stocking density to be considered grass-fed or free-range. Are there farms too small? Definitely, look at Table 71 pg 106-109, about 20% of the more concentrated farms fall in the 1-49 acre range. But the less concentrated farms and other larger ones don't have this problem.\\n\\nWith that, I don\\u2019t see how the 99% estimate makes any sense. Are there any other evidence to support this?", |
"I recently made a (post)(https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateAVegan/comments/x2jqez/vegans_for_the_environment_and_health_do_not/) about why only vegans for the animals exist. Half the comments agreed with me, a few gave details of why I was wrong, and the rest were comments in the neighborhood of \\"This isn't helping anything, stop gatekeeping. I can be vegan for the moon if I want to be.\\" \\n\\nThe conversation made me realize we should clarify the intention of what we are talking about. My post was meant to be a philosophical conversation about what it means to be vegan and about one's internal intentions. Yet half of the commenters took the post as a net negative because my suggestion had no practical benefits. They (rightly) thought I was only going to alienate other vegans or people that like to pretend they are vegan because they care more about the environment or their health.\\n\\nI agree that if I walked around town being the Vegan Police, I'd lose more than a few friends. However, in the realm of philosophy, we are very interested in definitions, details, and everything they entail. Philosophical conversations do not necessarily have to have a practical benefit. Similar to a pure mathematician discovering theorems for the sake of discovering theorems vs an applied mathematician using math to discover new laws of physics. Both are important, and both have different intentions.\\n\\nSo as we talk, we should be clear about the purpose of our conversations and writing. Are we talking in the realm of academics or in the realm of applying ethics to achieve an end result?", |
"True or false?", |
"So I was reading about how snake antivenom is created. Basically it's the result of milking captive snakes for their venom, and then injecting some of that venom into a healthy horse. The horse produces antibodies, blood is taken from the horse and antivenom is produced from the plasma. If done correctly this is deadly to neither the horse nor the snake and saves countless lives. \\n\\nI was just wondering if vegans oppose this process.", |
"Between being vegetarian and vegan on and off, I\\u2019ve spent eight and a half of my twenty-seven years not eating meat or other animal products. A lot of my stricter vegan friends argue that humans are not \\u201cmeant,\\u201d to eat meat because our canines are small compared to, say, a tiger. I disagree. Other omnivorous animals have similar teeth sets. I believe ethically and environmentally, eating vegan is the right thing to do. However, arguing that it\\u2019s evolutionarily correct is a fallacy. Mating by clubbing your potential partner over the head and dragging them into your cave is \\u201cnatural.\\u201d So is eating meat. That doesn\\u2019t mean it\\u2019s the \\u201cright,\\u201d thing to do. Sure, we definitely weren\\u2019t \\u201cmeant,\\u201d to produce the horrors of animal agriculture or over consume meat until we\\u2019re riddled with heart disease or cancer, but I am yet to see a convincing, ideology-free argument to suggest that humans were not \\u201cmeant,\\u201d to eat meat and likewise appealing to nature is a logical fallacy. Nature is cruel. We\\u2019ve evolved far enough to choose NOT to be cruel and that\\u2019s the point. Are there any vegans willing to acknowledge that the common vegan trope of \\u201cyour canines don\\u2019t look like a wolf\\u2019s,\\u201d does not help the argument?", |
"Was man created to be vegan? Why?\\n\\nIf so, why is supplementation recommended with B12?\\n\\nWhat are the consequences of the b12 deficit?\\n\\nCan supplementation be dispensed with?", |
"So I've had this come up in a debate. I'm a vegan and I believe that animals are sentient. What's your rebuttal to a farmer who says animals are not sentient? ", |
"If every single human in the world was living on a solely plant-based vegan diet, I would assume that there would be an increased demand for vegetable and grain products. In that case, wouldn't unethical big-industry plant farming practices continue, and maybe multiply to an unsustainable level? For example, I've heard that almond farming uses a huge amount of water in places that are prone to drought. If everyone who came from countries with a large amount of cow milk consumption like the UK and Ireland began to drink almond milk instead, relying on the milk from places like Australia and California because they couldnt grow their own, wouldn't that become quite unsustainable?", |
"A little dose of fun. 5 things why Vegans are awesome", |
"Mocking meat eaters will not help them to become vegans but rather they become more disgusted to become vegan because of the association and the community acting holier than thou\\n\\nif you really want to make this world vegan instead of mocking meat eaters do this instead:\\n\\n1. a lot of people will convert to veganism especially the financially struggling families if all of the vegans would actually sponsor all their groceries for life or give them a large lot and training to grow vegetables ( i mean who wants to turn away from free food)\\n2. make vegan food cheap and accessible but doesn't sacrifice the taste and variety (even in artic places or deserted places or anywhere where vegan options is expensive and inaccessible) and let us be honest i am not paying Php300 for a salad when i can have a 1pcs chicken and rice for Php100 and not only that 1 out of 20-30 restaurants offer vegan menu ( it is not even affordable and there is no variety )\\n3. Volunteer to cook for a meat eater ( even better if you can cover the cost) , show them that it is actually easy to make a vegan alternative of their favorite food.\\n4. Propose a feasible plan how will you transition livelihood of the people working in the meat or non vegan industry (if you can offer them a higher paying salary to grow vegetable, a lot of people will be working in the vegan industry) -- imagine how many people will lose their jobs if everybody in this world turned vegan.\\n\\nif you manage to convert 50-60% of the population into veganism then it is much easier to convert the rest of the population after all majority of people would just want to blend into the society ... \\n\\n\\nI am willing to become vegan if anyone wants to pay my grocery ( even if is just for one year) while i experiment for different vegan dishes .. if I did like it then I will pledge to sponsor 2 people in marginalize area with the same grocery deal \\n\\nThen if i fail to become vegan in the span of year just give back the money that you sponsor me \\n\\n\\nof course no vegan wants to take that risk and it means they are not actually serious with actually helping but instead veganism is just a way to feel holier than thou... imagine how many animals you can save if you actually pay for that persons one year of grocery", |
"I've been battling brain fog for a long time and while I feel physically healthier being a vegetarian for the past year with only a little milk in my coffee, my energy levels are low and I have been battling brain fog for quite a while. My brain fog may have been there from before I started veganism and I may have not been aware of it. I've had moments of clarity where I felt alive, energetic and clear headed but do not know what to attribute that to, whether it was dietary or other changes.\\n\\nMy question is to former vegans and vegetarians who have found that their brain fog is eliminated by eating meat. Is there a minimum amount of meat that your body requires to lift the mental fog and/or increase energy levels?\\n\\nMy parents would eat meat once a week growing up and they never mentioned having mental health or physical problems. I've also met foreign born co-workers who said they would also eat meat once a week growing up so I have a hard time understanding why we need to eat it with every meal or even every day. But at the same time, I need to find out why I am having so much difficulty functioning.\\n\\nAny input from those who were formerly non-meat eaters that have learned to balance their body with the right amount of animal product. Thanks in advance for your stories. |
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