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* 1 votes: Independent 1, Liberal 2, and Labor 3.
* 2 vote: Liberal 1, Independent 2, and Labor 3.
No-one has a majority. The independent has the least primary votes and will be eliminated, the second preference is distributed. Now the Liberal has 3 votes (the extra second preference from the independent), and Labor has 2, the Liberal wins.
If one of the Labor voters instead voted strategically, for the Independent, even though though really prefer labor, Labor would be eliminated, and with their preferences, the Independent would have 3 votes and win.
I did this with real numbers from the last federal election, the outcome is the same but there are more combinations and it is more complicated.
Here is my federal electorate, North Sydney:
https://results.aec.gov.au/27966/Website/HouseDivisionPage-27966-137.htm
The Labor / Liberal two party preferred vote has the Liberal winning, 51.26% / 48.74%.
But because Labor was knocked out, the independent beat the Liberal 52.92% to 47.08%. The Liberal did 4% worse against the Independent than they did against Labor, and that made the difference.
No happy with letting them dodge paying tax and giving them a break with fuel excise tax, now we’re subsidizing their predatory pricing too.
https://www.service.nsw.gov.au/transaction/apply-for-a-regional-seniors-travel-card
Well done!
Number 4 is great on the surface, but in regional and remote areas, it means that pounds that were already overflowing are in an even worse state.
If you're going to outlaw convenience killing, you need to make sure the services are there to help the animals that end up there, and in regional and remote communities, they're just not, meaning the conditions for those animals are even worse than before.
Source: I live in a town that has been impacted by that law. I'm in favour of it, but the local council doesn't have the money to address the insane stray dog problem as it is, let alone to upgrade the pound to increase the capacity now they can't euthanise animals when they don't have anymore room.
#6 - Banned recreational wombat shooting?! When the flying fuck was recreational shooting of wombats legal???
Edit - I don't know how or why this is all bold text
How do they feel about culling brumbies that destroy the natural habitat of our native animals?
They, like the greens, are completely against all lethal controls for all pest animals, which are the possibly biggest threat to Australia’s ecosystems and native animals. These morons think that it is somehow feasible to implement non-lethal control in widespread effective manner.
I don't understand the reasoning that would compel me to use my 1 precious vote in the elections to vote for a party that has a 8 point agenda that protects animals.
Cant these issues just be legislated by the various parliaments rather than voting for a candidate just solely for animal rights ?
Does it legalise lean tho?
Please don’t vote for the AJP
They are the Australian version of PETA.
Their aim is to end animal ownership completely, starting with introducing Animal Rights instead of Animal Welfare.
It sounds great on paper, but by the time they are finished, you won’t be able to come home and spend time with your loved animals, because they won’t be there anymore.
You can see it working already in Zoos and the pet care industry.
Naturally the costing for those is robust and visible?
I voted today. 1. For the AJP in the upper house, 2. For the Marijuana Party 3. The Greens
If you’re gonna go for minor one issue parties, for the love of Dog please put Labor no. 2. Don’t waste your preferences.
They still use dolphins for entertainment. Source: I live in a town that has a dolphin for entertainment facility
I think its a good cause but most of the fat lards in r/sydney, r/nsw and r/australia will think this is lame
Is any of this actually true?
Animal Justice Party in VIC supported Dan Andrews and gave him the votes to enforce lockdowns over and over.
Fuck them.
I think this is done to split votes among competitors. Such as greens.
But with STV, it shouldn't matter so much.
I agree with almost everything that the AJP and The Greens stand for. But I can't get my head around their policies for companion animals.
Their policies for restricting the breeding of pets that people actively want seems very shortsighted. I have no skin in this (am not a breeder nor do I know any breeders) - but I know that people want the pets that suit their families. Of course we need to control dog breeding & ensure proper care of all breeding animals, but if we restrict the breeding of pets at registered breeders too far, then many dog buyers will be forced to choose from the dogs that are "accidentally bred" (or bred on purpose) by irresponsible people.
The shelters are not full of so-called designer breeds or purebreds -- unless they are old or half-blind or on medications. I mean, look at Pet Rescue Australia. Almost all the dogs are medium or large -- and almost all of them are bully breeds and their mixes.
[https://www.petrescue.com.au/listings/search/dogs?interstate=true&page=1&per\_page=20&size%5B%5D=20&size%5B%5D=30](https://www.petrescue.com.au/listings/search/dogs?interstate=true&page=1&per_page=20&size%5B%5D=20&size%5B%5D=30)
There are even bully mixes in among the small dogs (of which there are not many).
It's wrong to simply say we have an oversupply of dogs in shelters. What we actually have is a vast oversupply of bully breeds. But the AJP & Greens are not addressing that in their policies.
Bully breeds and a couple of other larger breeds are killing lots of wildlife & animals each year, whether in their own backyards or when owners let them out. Which includes koalas being killed. Again, a lot of this is happening in the dogs' own backyards.
[https://www.facebook.com/ctownkoalas/photos/a.333932226752580/3330045620474544/?type=3](https://www.facebook.com/ctownkoalas/photos/a.333932226752580/3330045620474544/?type=3)
[https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/two-staffordshire-terriers-break-into-cafe-petting-zoo-and-kill-six-handreared-animals/news-story/efecd827389d51fb5994c07832175c3e](https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/two-staffordshire-terriers-break-into-cafe-petting-zoo-and-kill-six-handreared-animals/news-story/efecd827389d51fb5994c07832175c3e)
[https://au.news.yahoo.com/warning-for-pet-owners-devastating-dog-attack-joeys-022610999.html](https://au.news.yahoo.com/warning-for-pet-owners-devastating-dog-attack-joeys-022610999.html)
[https://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/-/media/OEH/Corporate-Site/Documents/Animals-and-plants/Wildlife-management/protecting-wildlife-from-domestic-dogs-guide-to-community-engagement-200128.pdf](https://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/-/media/OEH/Corporate-Site/Documents/Animals-and-plants/Wildlife-management/protecting-wildlife-from-domestic-dogs-guide-to-community-engagement-200128.pdf)
For those reasons and the sake of our wildlife & other animals, I can't vote AJP or The Greens.
Will Animal Justice support brumby culls in the Blue Mountains?
And cats? Surely you don't want to release them so they can go and decimate the native wild life. I think this law is short sighted
Yeah, surely this was quite some time ago.
I HIGHLY FUCKING doubt it was in the last 20-30 years
>When the flying fuck was recreational shooting of wombats legal???
Not that long ago... [https://7news.com.au/news/wildlife/victoria-closes-loophole-on-wombat-hunting-in-gippsland-c-685812](https://7news.com.au/news/wildlife/victoria-closes-loophole-on-wombat-hunting-in-gippsland-c-685812)
They have a topic article specifically about brumbies on their website:
https://www.animaljusticeparty.org/brumbies
Here is an explanation of the ACT Kangaroo cull:
https://greens.org.au/act/news/why-are-kangaroos-culled-canberra
What you should say is, unlike the Greens, Animal Justice (AJP) are completely against legal control of pest animals. This a significant division between the two that has resulted in a breakdown of their relationship.
The NSW Greens also favour of lethal control for brumbies, unlike many farmers/horse lovers, and the AJP.
They are for ethical forms of pest control.
For some situations also called “pest control“ there is a clear conflict-of-interest where licenses are given to hunters who have been attempting “pest control” for a long time without success. Because of course they don’t want success if they were to eliminate the past they would have no more hunting!
Sterilisation is a proven and actually effective means of pest control.
They obviously going to be against using flamethrowers on mice.
To an extent you can vote for a single-issue party to show support and rely on them not getting a significant amount of votes, then use your preferences to make your vote count elsewhere. Of course, that strategy assumes they'll get fewer votes than your other preferences.
Anyway, the 8 points here are not an agenda. They are the past achievements of the party. The party's platform is [much larger](https://www.animaljusticeparty.org/our_policies), including:
- Increased availability of abortions
- Decriminalising weed
- Substantial action for climate (too much to summarise)
- Federal ICAC
- Tax reform to improve housing affordability
- Fuck natural gas
- Voluntary euthenasia
In other words, it's a fairly typical progressive / lefty platfor, although they are a bit vague on the details of anything that doesn't directly involve animals.
> 1 precious vote
You do understand how the preferential voting system works, right?
In Australia, we don't have just "one" vote. We use a preferences system, which means we don't have to choose between the "lesser of two evils." Instead, we can vote for the party that best represents our values. So, if you care about ending animal cruelty, you CAN vote for a party that shares your values without fear of wasting your vote.
How to preference/vote AJP:[https://i.imgur.com/VNTrZXU.png](https://i.imgur.com/VNTrZXU.png)
Read their full agenda on the website, you won’t put your 1 precious vote with them
Do you understand how preferential voting works?
Those 8 point are things that are already done.
If you vote goes to a particular person in a major party, what are their values?
Can you elaborate, please?
Cannot agree more. These special idiots refused to pass a law in victoria to use a humane poison on cats in the bush
[deleted]
[deleted]
Legend!
To whom do the first two direct their preferences?
I've been erring to this with my vote too. But I'll probably go further down the list with numbers though.
Which town?
If you have any animal emergencies or need to report cruelty, please contact:
The Animal Welfare League: (02) 8899 3333
RSPCA NSW: 1300 278 3589
NSW Police: 131 444
If you have witnessed an injured, sick or orphaned wildlife animal in NSW please call WIRES: 1300 094 737
Turns out they also had the aim of protecting the human animals and save those lives too.
Unfortunately they also seem to oppose any attempt at cat containment laws to protect native wildlife as well. Not a bad bunch but they seem quite a bit more concerned with pet animal welfare tbh and dont seem bothered by the impacts of irresponsible breeding and ownership.
Cat owners should be licenced and strict laws should be enforced that they can't leave their own property.
I'm sick of cats in my yard, using it as their bathroom.

* 1 votes: Independent 1, Liberal 2, and Labor 3.

* 2 vote: Liberal 1, Independent 2, and Labor 3.

No-one has a majority. The independent has the least primary votes and will be eliminated, the second preference is distributed. Now the Liberal has 3 votes (the extra second preference from the independent), and Labor has 2, the Liberal wins.

If one of the Labor voters instead voted strategically, for the Independent, even though though really prefer labor, Labor would be eliminated, and with their preferences, the Independent would have 3 votes and win.

I did this with real numbers from the last federal election, the outcome is the same but there are more combinations and it is more complicated.

Here is my federal electorate, North Sydney:

https://results.aec.gov.au/27966/Website/HouseDivisionPage-27966-137.htm

The Labor / Liberal two party preferred vote has the Liberal winning, 51.26% / 48.74%.

But because Labor was knocked out, the independent beat the Liberal 52.92% to 47.08%. The Liberal did 4% worse against the Independent than they did against Labor, and that made the difference.

No happy with letting them dodge paying tax and giving them a break with fuel excise tax, now we’re subsidizing their predatory pricing too.

https://www.service.nsw.gov.au/transaction/apply-for-a-regional-seniors-travel-card

Well done!

Number 4 is great on the surface, but in regional and remote areas, it means that pounds that were already overflowing are in an even worse state.

If you're going to outlaw convenience killing, you need to make sure the services are there to help the animals that end up there, and in regional and remote communities, they're just not, meaning the conditions for those animals are even worse than before.

Source: I live in a town that has been impacted by that law. I'm in favour of it, but the local council doesn't have the money to address the insane stray dog problem as it is, let alone to upgrade the pound to increase the capacity now they can't euthanise animals when they don't have anymore room.

#6 - Banned recreational wombat shooting?! When the flying fuck was recreational shooting of wombats legal???

Edit - I don't know how or why this is all bold text

How do they feel about culling brumbies that destroy the natural habitat of our native animals?

They, like the greens, are completely against all lethal controls for all pest animals, which are the possibly biggest threat to Australia’s ecosystems and native animals. These morons think that it is somehow feasible to implement non-lethal control in widespread effective manner.

I don't understand the reasoning that would compel me to use my 1 precious vote in the elections to vote for a party that has a 8 point agenda that protects animals.

Cant these issues just be legislated by the various parliaments rather than voting for a candidate just solely for animal rights ?

Does it legalise lean tho?

Please don’t vote for the AJP

They are the Australian version of PETA.

Their aim is to end animal ownership completely, starting with introducing Animal Rights instead of Animal Welfare.

It sounds great on paper, but by the time they are finished, you won’t be able to come home and spend time with your loved animals, because they won’t be there anymore.

You can see it working already in Zoos and the pet care industry.

Naturally the costing for those is robust and visible?

I voted today. 1. For the AJP in the upper house, 2. For the Marijuana Party 3. The Greens

If you’re gonna go for minor one issue parties, for the love of Dog please put Labor no. 2. Don’t waste your preferences.

They still use dolphins for entertainment. Source: I live in a town that has a dolphin for entertainment facility

I think its a good cause but most of the fat lards in r/sydney, r/nsw and r/australia will think this is lame

Is any of this actually true?

Animal Justice Party in VIC supported Dan Andrews and gave him the votes to enforce lockdowns over and over.

Fuck them.

I think this is done to split votes among competitors. Such as greens.

But with STV, it shouldn't matter so much.

I agree with almost everything that the AJP and The Greens stand for. But I can't get my head around their policies for companion animals.

Their policies for restricting the breeding of pets that people actively want seems very shortsighted. I have no skin in this (am not a breeder nor do I know any breeders) - but I know that people want the pets that suit their families. Of course we need to control dog breeding & ensure proper care of all breeding animals, but if we restrict the breeding of pets at registered breeders too far, then many dog buyers will be forced to choose from the dogs that are "accidentally bred" (or bred on purpose) by irresponsible people.

The shelters are **not** full of so-called designer breeds or purebreds -- unless they are old or half-blind or on medications. I mean, look at Pet Rescue Australia. Almost all the dogs are medium or large -- and almost all of them are bully breeds and their mixes.

[https://www.petrescue.com.au/listings/search/dogs?interstate=true&page=1&per\_page=20&size%5B%5D=20&size%5B%5D=30](https://www.petrescue.com.au/listings/search/dogs?interstate=true&page=1&per_page=20&size%5B%5D=20&size%5B%5D=30)

There are even bully mixes in among the small dogs (of which there are not many).

It's wrong to simply say we have an oversupply of dogs in shelters. What we actually have is a vast oversupply of bully breeds. But the AJP & Greens are not addressing that in their policies.

Bully breeds and a couple of other larger breeds are killing lots of wildlife & animals each year, whether in their own backyards or when owners let them out. Which includes koalas being killed. Again, a lot of this is happening in the dogs' own backyards.

[https://www.facebook.com/ctownkoalas/photos/a.333932226752580/3330045620474544/?type=3](https://www.facebook.com/ctownkoalas/photos/a.333932226752580/3330045620474544/?type=3)

[https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/two-staffordshire-terriers-break-into-cafe-petting-zoo-and-kill-six-handreared-animals/news-story/efecd827389d51fb5994c07832175c3e](https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/two-staffordshire-terriers-break-into-cafe-petting-zoo-and-kill-six-handreared-animals/news-story/efecd827389d51fb5994c07832175c3e)

[https://au.news.yahoo.com/warning-for-pet-owners-devastating-dog-attack-joeys-022610999.html](https://au.news.yahoo.com/warning-for-pet-owners-devastating-dog-attack-joeys-022610999.html)

[https://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/-/media/OEH/Corporate-Site/Documents/Animals-and-plants/Wildlife-management/protecting-wildlife-from-domestic-dogs-guide-to-community-engagement-200128.pdf](https://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/-/media/OEH/Corporate-Site/Documents/Animals-and-plants/Wildlife-management/protecting-wildlife-from-domestic-dogs-guide-to-community-engagement-200128.pdf)

For those reasons and the sake of our wildlife & other animals, I can't vote AJP or The Greens.

Will Animal Justice support brumby culls in the Blue Mountains?

And cats? Surely you don't want to release them so they can go and decimate the native wild life. I think this law is short sighted

Yeah, surely this was quite some time ago.

I HIGHLY FUCKING doubt it was in the last 20-30 years

>When the flying fuck was recreational shooting of wombats legal???

Not that long ago... [https://7news.com.au/news/wildlife/victoria-closes-loophole-on-wombat-hunting-in-gippsland-c-685812](https://7news.com.au/news/wildlife/victoria-closes-loophole-on-wombat-hunting-in-gippsland-c-685812)

They have a topic article specifically about brumbies on their website:

https://www.animaljusticeparty.org/brumbies

Here is an explanation of the ACT Kangaroo cull:

https://greens.org.au/act/news/why-are-kangaroos-culled-canberra

What you should say is, **unlike** the Greens, Animal Justice (AJP) are completely against legal control of pest animals. This a significant division between the two that has resulted in a breakdown of their relationship.

The NSW Greens also favour of lethal control for brumbies, unlike many farmers/horse lovers, and the AJP.

They are for ethical forms of pest control.

For some situations also called “pest control“ there is a clear conflict-of-interest where licenses are given to hunters who have been attempting “pest control” for a long time without success. Because of course they don’t want success if they were to eliminate the past they would have no more hunting!

Sterilisation is a proven and actually effective means of pest control.

They obviously going to be against using flamethrowers on mice.

To an extent you can vote for a single-issue party to show support and rely on them not getting a significant amount of votes, then use your preferences to make your vote count elsewhere. Of course, that strategy assumes they'll get fewer votes than your other preferences.

Anyway, the 8 points here are not an agenda. They are the past achievements of the party. The party's platform is [much larger](https://www.animaljusticeparty.org/our_policies), including:

- Increased availability of abortions

- Decriminalising weed

- Substantial action for climate (too much to summarise)

- Federal ICAC

- Tax reform to improve housing affordability

- Fuck natural gas

- Voluntary euthenasia

In other words, it's a fairly typical progressive / lefty platfor, although they are a bit vague on the details of anything that doesn't directly involve animals.

> 1 precious vote

You do understand how the preferential voting system works, right?

In Australia, we don't have just "one" vote. We use a preferences system, which means we don't have to choose between the "lesser of two evils." Instead, we can vote for the party that best represents our values. So, if you care about ending animal cruelty, you CAN vote for a party that shares your values without fear of wasting your vote.

How to preference/vote AJP:[https://i.imgur.com/VNTrZXU.png](https://i.imgur.com/VNTrZXU.png)

Read their full agenda on the website, you won’t put your 1 precious vote with them

Do you understand how preferential voting works?

Those 8 point are things that are already done.

If you vote goes to a particular person in a major party, what are their values?

Can you elaborate, please?

Cannot agree more. These special idiots refused to pass a law in victoria to use a humane poison on cats in the bush

[deleted]

Legend!

To whom do the first two direct their preferences?

I've been erring to this with my vote too. But I'll probably go further down the list with numbers though.

Which town?

If you have any animal emergencies or need to report cruelty, please contact:

The Animal Welfare League: (02) 8899 3333

RSPCA NSW: 1300 278 3589

NSW Police: 131 444

If you have witnessed an injured, sick or orphaned wildlife animal in NSW please call WIRES: 1300 094 737

Turns out they also had the aim of protecting the human animals and save those lives too.

Unfortunately they also seem to oppose any attempt at cat containment laws to protect native wildlife as well. Not a bad bunch but they seem quite a bit more concerned with pet animal welfare tbh and dont seem bothered by the impacts of irresponsible breeding and ownership.

Cat owners should be licenced and strict laws should be enforced that they can't leave their own property.

I'm sick of cats in my yard, using it as their bathroom.