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Northern N.S.W got fucking abused by the gov. Completely ignored all their requests to restore the rail when support for it was obviously much higher then some shitty bike track.
Mono-d'oh!!
Some non-awful regional rail would be nice. The whole high speed rail exercise is overly expensive and unobtainable given the geography and sheer size of the state/ Australia.
Rather, modifications to existing track alignments and the construction of some new alignments of conventional medium speed rail would be great. Repairs and re-alignment of troublesome sections would enable far higher speeds than what we have now and therefore much better travel times. At the moment we are going to get new intercity rolling stock that still has to crawl along... how useful.
With Queensland planning to extend their rail network to Tweed Heads, it would make sense to reopen the old Casino to Murwillumbah branch and extend that to Tweed Heads to join it, though I would open two branches to allow for easier tourist access. It would run from Casino to Lismore, then branch with one route following the original line to Bexhill, Eltham, Bangalow, Byron Bay, Mullumbimby, Burringbar and Murwillumbah. From there, I would follow the Tweed River to Tumbulgum, Terranora, Banora Point, Tweed Heads South and Tweed Heads. The other branch from Lismore would stop at Goonellabah, Alstonville, West Ballina, Ballina Airport, Lennox Head, Newrybar, Suffolk Park, Byron Bay, Ewingsdale, Brunswick Heads, Ocean Shores, Pottsville, Cabarita Beach, Cudgen, Chinderah, Tweed Heads South and Tweed Heads.
I don’t think it would hurt to reopen the Main North Line, reopening from Armidale to Guyra, Glen Innes, Deepwater, Tenterfield, and Wallangarra, as well as reopening the Queensland section to provide a direct link to Toowoomba and eventually an easier route to Brisbane from inland NSW. From Wallangarra, it should stop at Ballandean, Stanthorpe, Thulimba, Warwick, Hendon, Clifton, Cambooya, Wyreema, Drayton and Toowoomba before joining the main line from there to Brisbane.
I’d also make more use of the section of line that runs from Werris Creek to Moree. It currently stops at Gunnedah, Boggabri, Narrabri, Bellata and Moree. I’d then have extend that to roughly along the alignment of the old Inverell branch with stops at Warialda and Inverell, then further extend that to Tingha, back to Glen Innes, then across the Gibraltar Ranges (possibly via tunnel) to Jackadgery, Copmanhurst and into Grafton to link with the North Coast Line. There would also then be the possibility to extend that line from Grafton to Ulmarra, Maclean, Harwood Bridge and Yamba.
I’d also open a new line from Urunga to Armidale via Dorrigo, with stops from Urunga, Raleigh, Bellingen, Dorrigo, Ebor, and Armidale.
On the North Coast Line itself, I’d reopen stops at Glenreagh, Nana Glen and possibly Lawrence Road (the latter to give easier access to rail for the northern Clarence Valley).
I’d also open a light rail system on the Coffs Coast, opening the region to further tourism and industry. Run it from Cordindi Beach in the north, to Arrawarra, Mullaway, Safety Beach, Woolgoolga, Sandy Beach, Emerald Beach, Moonee Beach, Sapphire Beach, Korora, Big Banana, Park Beach, Central Coffs Harbour and Coffs Harbour Jetty.
In the south, I’d start from Sawtell, then head up to Toormina, Boambee, Coffs Harbour International Stadium, Coffs Harbour Health Campus, Southern Cross University, Coffs Harbour Airport, Coffs Harbour Racecourse and Coffs Harbour Jetty.
A decent motorway from Sydney to the West (Lithgow, Bathurst, Orange, Dubbo etc). There are decent motorways north and south from Sydney, but the west get the Great Western Highway with its numerous speed limit changes, school zones in nearly every town, and at least two sets of traffic lights at every town making a trip to or from Sydney seem interminable. I've lost count of the number of "studies" on the Bells Line Expressway at goodness knows what cost, but it's always deemed too difficult/expensive. Yet, briefly the Perrotwit government were going to fund a multi billion dollar tunnel which was only 11km long! The money they'd managed to find for that would go a long way in building a whole new expressway.
Ideally an underground hyperloop maglev would be good, Sydney to Perth in like 20 minutes... Maybe.
At least a bullet train between Hornsby and Woy Woy, since half the time most people in Hornsby are from Woy Woy anyway.
They should do Sydney to Batesman Bay via Wollongong. Then Batesman Bay to Canberra. Huge potential for a new large coastal city utilizing the state forests within those areas.
"Sydney gets an outsized share of govt attention, even more than its outsized share of population would demand." This is not correct in the slightest. The cities heavily subsidize the rest of the states infrastructure.
Free wifi will help alleviate a lot of delays and cancellations
It will never happen, the expense alone is too galling for the public with the current trains, too many people will demand it stop at every major station, and too few people travel between sydney and newcastle to make it economically viable, even for a public service. Looking at 10s of billions of dollars, just for the tracks, then there's the trains themselves, yet the same groups will lose their shit at the railway's current barebones budget of around 2 billion.
I think it would make more sense to do Canberra first, it's much easier terrain and there is a similar demand. It would also be the first step towards a line all the way to Melbourne which if done right would cripple the airlines flying SYD-MEL
They’ve also pulled all infrastructure spending so yeah good luck lmao -
I found no viable route for high peed rail into Woy Woy or Gosford. HSR would run more or less on the same route as the M1 with a stop at Ourimbah and Thornton. connection could be made into Tuggerah and a another at Cockle Creek. my proposal would be: Newcastle -All Stops- Cockle Creek - Transfer to HSR - Wyong HSR (Alison Rd) - Ourimbah HSR - Berowra -Hornsby - Epping - Strathfield - Campsie -Kingsgrove - Sutherland - Turroul - Wollongong - Unanderra - Dapto - Albion Park - Gerringong - Nowra all stops to Ulladulla.
Ferry from Brooklyn to Port Stephens
I believe that's actually underway, with Opal Next.
Can we just not have the tram in Tweed please. Every time
I had to take it on the Gold Coast it’s slow, cramped & an awful ride. They’d be better off extending the heavy rail from varsity to the airport or beta Coolangatta. But we know that’ll never happen.
Doesn't it get a daily xpt?
thats a MUST happen.
There ain't gonna be no tunnel, mate. Best case scenario, it's a 30 kilometre tunnel and cuts out all the shitty stations between Waterfall and Thirroul. Shit would cost the fucking earth like 20B+ even under ideal tunnelling conditions but you guessed it..... It's not ideal. It's in fact horrendous because Scarborough is like an ant's nest of crisscrossing tunnels from the coal days, not to mention the fact it's built into sea rock which is usually awful. It would likely be better to just up via the Campbelltown alignment for rail and create a duplicated line up the T8 tbh. Either that or loop wayyyyyy around and create like a dog leg alignment that goes to Darkes Forest and back into Waterfall but like you'd guess this is even substantially more expensive.
You could build like 20 Princes Highway upgrades for what it would cost to build this tunnel.
Oh, are you one of the people strewing tacks on the trail? Such a good look for local tourism
By the previous government? The government that held seats in northern NSW... If people there aren't getting attention from their own elected government that's kinda on them.
Don’t think the light rail would work in Coffs, it’s too hilly
This is amazing! Thank you! Lots of parts of this state for me to learn about
They did look into the possibility of a light rail line in Coffs Harbour a number of years ago
[https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/coffs-harbour/local-light-rail-network-considered-unlikely/news-story/ffd46819194416a56c748821517fb7f2](https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/coffs-harbour/local-light-rail-network-considered-unlikely/news-story/ffd46819194416a56c748821517fb7f2)
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They should go inland. Skip Gosford and Wyong/Tuggerah. Fund it by massive rezoning of areas near somersby and ourimbah for housing.
But I agree, there would still be issue at Hornsby and Newcastle, it would realistically require huge tunneling into the city centres. Terminating it without going into the city centre kinda defeats the purpose.
They did a study that came to the conclusion that the Newcastle and Wollongong lines should be the first ones.
Edit: additionally it ranked Canberra to Sydney as lower priority.
All those stops makes a hsr redundant, the whole point is high speed between Newcastle and Sydney, not Newcastle, some stops in between and Sydney
The problem with the M1 is the grades and a humungous bridge.
Awesome.
Tbh i think trams going to the Airport would be better then huge trains as they are just too big. And yes heavy rail definitely needs to come down a bit to tweed.
Yes but it runs in the wrong direction to be useful for Dubbo residents wanting to get to the city.
Daily bus isn't it?
This tunnel would probably have a similar capacity to 20 princes highway upgrades
Im just annoyed. we dont need another bike track. We need public transport that is not in the shitter
No its not.
You’re probably right, but a man can dream
I suppose if the likes of San Francisco and Lisbon can have great tram networks then so can Coffs
The thing is, we already have the trains capable of doing it, but the public won't allow it, and no government since the 80's has spent any more than the absolute bare minimum on track maintenance, thats why there is so much trackwork, just to keep it running.
Hint, them problem is all the stops. OP wanted Woy Woy! what about Gosford, Wyong, Fassifern, etc. The real problem with high speed rail is that it quickly becomes lesser average speed with all the extra time to speed up from a station, then slow down for the next station.
How much would you be willing to pay for each trip? I love the idea too, but I can't help but think it will be $20+ per trip so not justifiable for daily commuting.
They should do Wollongong to Campbelltown/Liverpool. That seems the most realistic as a first line.
If the metro gets extended from Bankstown to Liverpool, then it would seem to work well together.
It assumes the new Government will roll it out, more or less untouched, but aside from retrofitting buses in regional areas with Opal cards and ensuring all stops have mobile signal to operate the payments facility.
You'd still need a ticket for TrainLink services.
Why are huge trains just too big? Light rail rolling stock has really just gradually morphed into heavy rail rolling stock anyway minus some of that width. It also makes way more sense to build a heavy rail line to an airport so you can move high volumes of goods and freight so you can remove unnecessary truck journeys off the road.
Ohh gotcha. Yes. Albury and Wagga could do eorh a better timed morning train too.
Unlikely. Why do you think Fast Rail is taking so long. It's because it would be easier to resurrect Christ than straighten out the track between Newcastle and Wollongong or build a tunnel. You'd need insanely tall towers all along the route to make it even cost neutral, let alone getting a Benefit to Cost ratio over 1 which is usually the floor for such mega projects.
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How so? They vote for the Nats that have never worked for them. If they want a change then they should vote for one.
Top quality dreams though, it has to be said
Population of Lisbon 508k, population of San Francisco 815k, population of Coffs Harbour 78k. Who’s going to pay for it?
They track has a lot of bends between cowra and hawkesbury. It also has to slow drastically for the section by the water edge between Hawkesbury and Woy Woy. Even with better trains and track maintenance, trains would still need to slow to 30km/h without a massive rebuild.
There is also the section past Wyong, that was part of the Scomo election promises than would need to be fixed as they trains slow there for safety reasons.
Wasn't me who said Woy Woy!
Damn it.
The trains operated by Queensland Rail are way too big.
GTFO
Most do. The reason these guys get i is because of all the older people there
I was referring to the topographic problem
>They track has a lot of bends between cowra and hawkesbury
Fkn cowra is a long detour to get to Hornsby
Cowra? That explains why it is so slow. Umm, just remembered you meant Cowan. I don't think it is bends but the grade.
Yes, that was Spike M. a few years back.
>Most do.
That's not how democracy works. Most actually don't, and that's why they keep electing the Nats to represent them. The majority of people in Northern NSW vote Nats and they get what they deserve when the Nats hold the power.
Oops 🤣
Great scenery but.
Is that bit of track still used?
Not even going to bother talking to an idiot.
Shorthand for I don't know how to be critical of my own ideas and refuse to engage with those who do critique them.
Bye.
Oh yeah! You vote for the (alleged) pedophile, Kiama‼
Who the f#%k votes for a sex offender ?
He does not look 41.
Does light bend around Kiama?
It’s Kiama’s right to vote for a sex offender if that’s what they support.
People who say "he's done lots of good things for the area" even though that was only because he was mates with Gladys, and he won't get shit handed to him now that he's a pariah who no one wants to be associated with...
Man, what the fuck? I’ve never really paid attention to him, and from fleeting glances just assumed he was a generic old white haired parliament dude in his 60s or 70s. I just googled images and thought “hang on, he actually doesn’t look that old, what’s gone on there?”, and it turns out he’s got albinism.
It's about right. I did a few classes with him at uni. He was a pompous wank then as well.
He done nothing but uni and politics.
Well that explains it and I sound like a bitch lol
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