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Not stolen. Colonised by having superior technology and intelligence. All through history it's been that way.
We should really be more grateful. Considering everything provided to the natives from homes to government perks, money and freedom.
It's a shame that the native Australians seem to have issues of selfcontroll when it comes to alcohol.
Also it's a bigger shame that their communities teach their children how bad white men are. Or really Prejudice towards all non natives.
But youre not allowed to talk about that publically.
People think that acknowledging the actual issues of cultural problems is racist, when really it's the attitude of resentment and lessons the communities which are handed down generation to generation.
You have to make a lot of assumptions to be justified in stating that.
Myself for example... I legally migrated here in 2007. Neither myself nor my ancestors did a thing to the native people of this country. Am I a coloniser standing on stolen land?
Being a bigoted idiot yourself isn't a fantastic way to fight against what you view as bigoted behaviour. Jog on.
Nothing. You are not guilty for the crimes of yours, or anyone else’s ancestors.
Vote yes.
The thing I'm worried about is that all will never be forgiven. Non indigenous people will always be required to pay reparations and give more and more special treatment to aboriginals. This will create a two tiered society and aborigines that really need help still won't get it.
There no mention of 'reparations' in 'the voice legislation'. And forgiven but not forgotten seems to be the majority of thinking with the noisy minorities on either side making it sound much worse.
Nothing will ever be forgiven. ABC Four Corners done a special on aboriginals a while back and there was a lady screaming "you took our land and we got nothing!". This was after all the free education assistance, capped loan rates etc. was well in effect.
Whatever is given, more will always be requested. That's just humans. The govt does have a lot to answer for (like when the change the date BS started we should have taken the opportunity to add two public holidays to the calendar being one for the celebration and respects to be paid to Aboriginals and one for reconciliation) but continually giving free legs up/hand outs isn't going to help or change anything.
The voice isn't that tho. It's appointing a spokes person to work with all the different aboriginal communities and cultures to flesh out what would be an acceptable treaty proposal. And not all of them want the same thing. Some want land rights, some want more money, some want more done for education, some want the right to self govern without answering to Australian laws/courts. It'll take years for them to do and depending on the govt in power when it's put forwards it might just be completely knocked back. Plus a lot of those communities don't like each other, so they may not agree to a lot of what someone else wants.
Voting yes isn't voting to give reparations instantly. I'll vote no because I think there's tons better ways to go about change and building one Australia. Once we've done that, then we're ready for a treaty
Not now, there's not. Look at South Africa and even New Zealand (yes). I say leave the past in the past and make things better for all Australians, aboriginal heritage or not.
With a new govenrment in NSW trying to balance the budget and limit costs, do you think they would let this scheme expire? It's hugely popular amongst families across the state, and I've not yet seen any media reports on the matter.
Hope so.
Whilst it might be popular because it's free money, the reality is it does nothing to make kids more active.
All it is another case of middle class vote buying.
Didn’t the previous government defund this program thus killing it of by stealth.
I hope so.
The current system of Fiat currency that we have is broken. All these Government programs to help people afford things that should be affordable is just putting a band-aid on an open wound. If anyone needs a Government program for anything (apart from the most poor unemployed and disabled) then there is something seriously wrong with the economy. If anyone needs to work more than 40 hours a week to afford food, private accommodation (not shared) and support a partner and child then the economy is broken. Even people on the lowest incomes (who work one full time job) should be able to afford these things.
The constantly increasing price of housing and high levels of immigration have caused this problem, and instead of wearing the pain successive Governments have chosen to kick the can down the road rather than taking the pain now so that they can get elected and re-elected.
How does it do nothing? Many families can not afford for their kids to do these activities, the vouchers help them to afford their kids to do one or even two active things every week that they would otherwise not be doing. Making the kids who utilise them more active than if they didn’t.
I can only presume you don’t have kids and don’t use them. Just because you get no benefit from them doesn’t make them not worthwhile for the hundreds of thousands who do.
The OP is a bit disingenuous, the previous govt didn’t fund it past June 30 and there wasn’t a submission to ERC. The previous govt is using this to play politics with kids
I have kids and use them. And the creative kids one.
But at the end of the day if the kid decides they don't want to do something then the government throwing money at it won't help.
And I disagree that there are many kids missing out because their families can't afford it. There are always alternatives.
One of the first teams my son ever played for was in one of the poorest areas of Sydney, and the fees were negligible because of it. And the uptake was huge.
By giving this money to middle class Australians all you are doing is allowing them to take out a bigger mortgage and thus push up house prices.
That's the real problem with middle class welfare.
If they want to give active kids to poor families then go for it, but everyone? Nup. It's worse than a waste of money.
My kids soccer teams upped the fees by $100 to absorb the vouchers. It was free money for them, not savings for us.
Schemes like this just increase the prices and never have the intended effect. First home owners grant? Buyers just bid the prices higher and the grant doesn't have the desired effect. Private health insurance 30% subsidy? Health funds just increase the prices to capture the subsidy, it took a few years but they captured all of it. NDIS? NDIS providers just increase the prices to NDIS customers, a $150 shower chair to a non-NDIS customer is charged at $600 to a NDIS customer. Child minding subsidy? Exactly the same, childcare providers just increase their prices to capture the subsidy.
Government programs very rarely have the desired effects.
Instead of the Government having policies to lower the cost of housing (stopping foreign residential purchases/ stopping negative gearing/ increasing supply) we get another deposit scheme which only ever has the effect of increasing demand and therefore price.
Yeah it definitely feels that way.
Point taken - a politically motivated stream of funding that started with the Libs, therefore laying the trap if NSW Labor decided to de-fund it
Hey I’m interested in finding out more. Is there anywhere I can read about this?
You say there alternatives? What are they?
$200 in vouchers is not pushing up house prices.
With inflation going nuts even more people would be relying on these vouchers to keep their kids involved.
That said, I don’t have any issue with them being means tested but a realistic threshold should be set.
Yeah i get the big bag of these from Costco, much cheaper than coles overall
They sell them at Costco? I've never shopped there. What size packet were they?
650g, must be these ones you got for $10, so yeah does smash coles with their sizes and specials. Coles wasn’t as big as this their party sizes.
Yep, Coles' biggest pack is a paltry 300g. Can eat that little packet within a day.
What’s the most scenic route?
Make your way to Cronulla, then across the river via Ferry then the Royal Coast Track through the National Park. It's a great walk
Along the coast.
Ferry to bumdeena.
Through the national park and keep going.
Just catch a train it’s heaps quicker
Cronulla to Bundeena on the ferry, then through the RNP and along the coast
Did you mean actually from Sydney CBD to Wollongong or just the southern edge of Sydney? If the former that’s a multi day hike using the Harbour and cliff walks to Bondi, Coogee and Maroubra, then somehow to Cronulla after which the ferry to the coast walk in the RNP. Coastal walk is beautiful. Note parts of it are still closed near Garie but there may be way of going around it. Also if you’re planning to get all the way to Wollongong, that’s still a long way from the coast walk finish at Otford. Sydney to Wollongong is a multi day hike; particularly during winter with the shorter daylight hours. Check the NP websites for trails and closures.
I'm not sure if this helps, but I rode the bike from Wollongong to Sydney last year and it's a fantastically beautiful ride. There may be better pure walking tracks, but for a really beautiful road, there's a the gorgeous and quiet Lady Wakehurst Drive through the forrest from Waterfall to Stanwell Park. From Stanwell Park follow the coast. For about the last 20k into Wollongong there's a dedicated bike/walking track along the beach.
The one area that was really ugly was from South Sydney up to about Engadine. I'd take the train from Sydney to Waterfall.
Start walking north.
Have a look at some trail apps like AllTrails or on plotaroute.com
Make sure people know your route & i’d suggest an app like what3words incase you need to describe your exact location. Enjoy and safe travels
you do know how far it is? or do you mean Sydney to Woolloomooloo?
There's a track currently under construction from Kurnell to Austinmer. It will link a few already existing tracks.
https://weareexplorers.co/great-southern-walk-construction-begins/
https://www.nationalparks.nsw.gov.au/things-to-do/walking-tracks/the-coast-track
Yeah or ride your bike
The bus ain't bad either
Might as well start from palm beach
But maybe one that could be done with a stop in a hotel rather than camping? Maybe worth doing I’d say! I think urban walking is great too so this really appeals.
If they catch a ferry then it’s not really walking though…
That's going the really long way.
I’d probably just use my car anyway
Now that’s a decent walk…
The National Park doesn't have motels/hotels/etc, so that will be a hard day. Otherwise, you just want a hotel/motel/B&b guide to plan your trip.
Even from Bundeena to Otford is a long day and usually done as 2 days with a night camping at Era, Burning Palms or Marley.
You might get an air BnB In Stanwell Park but it's a big day from Bundeena. Once you get past wedding cake rock the board walk becomes a proper hiking track, and quite tough.
Almost all boardwalk now, except for a few bits near Otford. Not really very challenging, just quite long. I’ve done it in a day several times but I’m a regular hiker.
Why are you telling me this?
I used to do it 35 years ago as a teenager. It was like the graduation for hiking to be able to do big boy hikes.
Went a few years ago and was disgusted. It was just litter the whole way. That's what happens when you make it accessible to people who don't respect it.
Litter? Not in my recent experience. Very clean and well maintained track with amazing views. The new boardwalks make it a bit sedentary but otherwise lovely.
New to Sydney and there's so many places I want to explore. I think it's in Sydney. Came across this video on Instagram and I tried taking a photo of the walk/view, sorry everyone for your blurry picture. Does anyone know where this walk is?. There's are the type of walks I like to do. I've been looking everywhere and can't figure out where it is. Please help. Thanks everyone
Definitely Maroubra - Malaba Coastal walk.
Could be the Bundeena to Wedding Cake Rock walk in the Royal National Park
Looks a bit the north end of the cost track in the royal national Park.
Looks like Boora Point, Malabar
I reckon it's the Malabar to Maroubra walk for sure. Used to walk it all time. Good place to spot whales
Malabar
https://www.nationalparks.nsw.gov.au/things-to-do/walking-tracks/bouddi-coastal-walk
Fairly sure it's on the the southside of the bridge as doesn't look like part of the manly to spit maybe Malabar headland or La Perouse headland.
However if these are the walks you like Malabar, La Perouse, manly to spit and The Royal National Park coastal track all have walks exactly like this with new boardwalks build around the headlands.
It's at Malabar Headland National Park. Southern Sydney beach
this is on the way to figure of 8 pools, royal national Park. A great walk, just time it with low tide to see the pools
I immediately thought of either Malabar headland or Royal national park. Both are beautiful, just beware that Malabar headland (eastern section) is closed on Saturdays and most Sundays due to the rifle range operations. If you like longer walks, Bundeena to Otford in RNP is probably my most favourite walk in NSW so I highly recommend it. It's about 30km long, totally doable in one day but many people choose to only walk a part of it or split the walk in 2 days.
Boudi national park
Looks like Manly > spit bridge.
Kurnell

Not stolen. Colonised by having superior technology and intelligence. All through history it's been that way.

We should really be more grateful. Considering everything provided to the natives from homes to government perks, money and freedom.

It's a shame that the native Australians seem to have issues of selfcontroll when it comes to alcohol.

Also it's a bigger shame that their communities teach their children how bad white men are. Or really Prejudice towards all non natives.

But youre not allowed to talk about that publically.

People think that acknowledging the actual issues of cultural problems is racist, when really it's the attitude of resentment and lessons the communities which are handed down generation to generation.

You have to make a lot of assumptions to be justified in stating that.

Myself for example... I legally migrated here in 2007. Neither myself nor my ancestors did a thing to the native people of this country. Am I a coloniser standing on stolen land?

Being a bigoted idiot yourself isn't a fantastic way to fight against what you view as bigoted behaviour. Jog on.

Nothing. You are not guilty for the crimes of yours, or anyone else’s ancestors.

Vote yes.

The thing I'm worried about is that all will never be forgiven. Non indigenous people will always be required to pay reparations and give more and more special treatment to aboriginals. This will create a two tiered society and aborigines that really need help still won't get it.

There no mention of 'reparations' in 'the voice legislation'. And forgiven but not forgotten seems to be the majority of thinking with the noisy minorities on either side making it sound much worse.

Nothing will ever be forgiven. ABC Four Corners done a special on aboriginals a while back and there was a lady screaming "you took our land and we got nothing!". This was after all the free education assistance, capped loan rates etc. was well in effect.

Whatever is given, more will always be requested. That's just humans. The govt does have a lot to answer for (like when the change the date BS started we should have taken the opportunity to add two public holidays to the calendar being one for the celebration and respects to be paid to Aboriginals and one for reconciliation) but continually giving free legs up/hand outs isn't going to help or change anything.

The voice isn't that tho. It's appointing a spokes person to work with all the different aboriginal communities and cultures to flesh out what would be an acceptable treaty proposal. And not all of them want the same thing. Some want land rights, some want more money, some want more done for education, some want the right to self govern without answering to Australian laws/courts. It'll take years for them to do and depending on the govt in power when it's put forwards it might just be completely knocked back. Plus a lot of those communities don't like each other, so they may not agree to a lot of what someone else wants.

Voting yes isn't voting to give reparations instantly. I'll vote no because I think there's tons better ways to go about change and building one Australia. Once we've done that, then we're ready for a treaty

Not now, there's not. Look at South Africa and even New Zealand (yes). I say leave the past in the past and make things better for all Australians, aboriginal heritage or not.

With a new govenrment in NSW trying to balance the budget and limit costs, do you think they would let this scheme expire? It's hugely popular amongst families across the state, and I've not yet seen any media reports on the matter.

Hope so.

Whilst it might be popular because it's free money, the reality is it does nothing to make kids more active.

All it is another case of middle class vote buying.

Didn’t the previous government defund this program thus killing it of by stealth.

I hope so.

The current system of Fiat currency that we have is broken. All these Government programs to help people afford things that should be affordable is just putting a band-aid on an open wound. If anyone needs a Government program for anything (apart from the most poor unemployed and disabled) then there is something seriously wrong with the economy. If anyone needs to work more than 40 hours a week to afford food, private accommodation (not shared) and support a partner and child then the economy is broken. Even people on the lowest incomes (who work one full time job) should be able to afford these things.

The constantly increasing price of housing and high levels of immigration have caused this problem, and instead of wearing the pain successive Governments have chosen to kick the can down the road rather than taking the pain now so that they can get elected and re-elected.

How does it do nothing? Many families can not afford for their kids to do these activities, the vouchers help them to afford their kids to do one or even two active things every week that they would otherwise not be doing. Making the kids who utilise them more active than if they didn’t.

I can only presume you don’t have kids and don’t use them. Just because you get no benefit from them doesn’t make them not worthwhile for the hundreds of thousands who do.

The OP is a bit disingenuous, the previous govt didn’t fund it past June 30 and there wasn’t a submission to ERC. The previous govt is using this to play politics with kids

I have kids and use them. And the creative kids one.

But at the end of the day if the kid decides they don't want to do something then the government throwing money at it won't help.

And I disagree that there are many kids missing out because their families can't afford it. There are always alternatives.

One of the first teams my son ever played for was in one of the poorest areas of Sydney, and the fees were negligible because of it. And the uptake was huge.

By giving this money to middle class Australians all you are doing is allowing them to take out a bigger mortgage and thus push up house prices.

That's the real problem with middle class welfare.

If they want to give active kids to poor families then go for it, but everyone? Nup. It's worse than a waste of money.

My kids soccer teams upped the fees by $100 to absorb the vouchers. It was free money for them, not savings for us.

Schemes like this just increase the prices and never have the intended effect. First home owners grant? Buyers just bid the prices higher and the grant doesn't have the desired effect. Private health insurance 30% subsidy? Health funds just increase the prices to capture the subsidy, it took a few years but they captured all of it. NDIS? NDIS providers just increase the prices to NDIS customers, a $150 shower chair to a non-NDIS customer is charged at $600 to a NDIS customer. Child minding subsidy? Exactly the same, childcare providers just increase their prices to capture the subsidy.

Government programs very rarely have the desired effects.

Instead of the Government having policies to lower the cost of housing (stopping foreign residential purchases/ stopping negative gearing/ increasing supply) we get another deposit scheme which only ever has the effect of increasing demand and therefore price.

Yeah it definitely feels that way.

Point taken - a politically motivated stream of funding that started with the Libs, therefore laying the trap if NSW Labor decided to de-fund it

Hey I’m interested in finding out more. Is there anywhere I can read about this?

You say there alternatives? What are they?

$200 in vouchers is not pushing up house prices.

With inflation going nuts even more people would be relying on these vouchers to keep their kids involved.

That said, I don’t have any issue with them being means tested but a realistic threshold should be set.

Yeah i get the big bag of these from Costco, much cheaper than coles overall

They sell them at Costco? I've never shopped there. What size packet were they?

650g, must be these ones you got for $10, so yeah does smash coles with their sizes and specials. Coles wasn’t as big as this their party sizes.

Yep, Coles' biggest pack is a paltry 300g. Can eat that little packet within a day.

What’s the most scenic route?

Make your way to Cronulla, then across the river via Ferry then the Royal Coast Track through the National Park. It's a great walk

Along the coast.

Ferry to bumdeena.

Through the national park and keep going.

Just catch a train it’s heaps quicker

Cronulla to Bundeena on the ferry, then through the RNP and along the coast

Did you mean actually from Sydney CBD to Wollongong or just the southern edge of Sydney? If the former that’s a multi day hike using the Harbour and cliff walks to Bondi, Coogee and Maroubra, then somehow to Cronulla after which the ferry to the coast walk in the RNP. Coastal walk is beautiful. Note parts of it are still closed near Garie but there may be way of going around it. Also if you’re planning to get all the way to Wollongong, that’s still a long way from the coast walk finish at Otford. Sydney to Wollongong is a multi day hike; particularly during winter with the shorter daylight hours. Check the NP websites for trails and closures.

I'm not sure if this helps, but I rode the bike from Wollongong to Sydney last year and it's a fantastically beautiful ride. There may be better pure walking tracks, but for a really beautiful road, there's a the gorgeous and quiet Lady Wakehurst Drive through the forrest from Waterfall to Stanwell Park. From Stanwell Park follow the coast. For about the last 20k into Wollongong there's a dedicated bike/walking track along the beach.

The one area that was really ugly was from South Sydney up to about Engadine. I'd take the train from Sydney to Waterfall.

Start walking north.

Have a look at some trail apps like AllTrails or on plotaroute.com

Make sure people know your route & i’d suggest an app like what3words incase you need to describe your exact location. Enjoy and safe travels

you do know how far it is? or do you mean Sydney to Woolloomooloo?

There's a track currently under construction from Kurnell to Austinmer. It will link a few already existing tracks.

https://weareexplorers.co/great-southern-walk-construction-begins/

https://www.nationalparks.nsw.gov.au/things-to-do/walking-tracks/the-coast-track

Yeah or ride your bike

The bus ain't bad either

Might as well start from palm beach

But maybe one that could be done with a stop in a hotel rather than camping? Maybe worth doing I’d say! I think urban walking is great too so this really appeals.

If they catch a ferry then it’s not really walking though…

That's going the really long way.

I’d probably just use my car anyway

Now that’s a decent walk…

The National Park doesn't have motels/hotels/etc, so that will be a hard day. Otherwise, you just want a hotel/motel/B&b guide to plan your trip.

Even from Bundeena to Otford is a long day and usually done as 2 days with a night camping at Era, Burning Palms or Marley.

You might get an air BnB In Stanwell Park but it's a big day from Bundeena. Once you get past wedding cake rock the board walk becomes a proper hiking track, and quite tough.

Almost all boardwalk now, except for a few bits near Otford. Not really very challenging, just quite long. I’ve done it in a day several times but I’m a regular hiker.

Why are you telling me this?

I used to do it 35 years ago as a teenager. It was like the graduation for hiking to be able to do big boy hikes.

Went a few years ago and was disgusted. It was just litter the whole way. That's what happens when you make it accessible to people who don't respect it.

Litter? Not in my recent experience. Very clean and well maintained track with amazing views. The new boardwalks make it a bit sedentary but otherwise lovely.

New to Sydney and there's so many places I want to explore. I think it's in Sydney. Came across this video on Instagram and I tried taking a photo of the walk/view, sorry everyone for your blurry picture. Does anyone know where this walk is?. There's are the type of walks I like to do. I've been looking everywhere and can't figure out where it is. Please help. Thanks everyone

Definitely Maroubra - Malaba Coastal walk.

Could be the Bundeena to Wedding Cake Rock walk in the Royal National Park

Looks a bit the north end of the cost track in the royal national Park.

Looks like Boora Point, Malabar

I reckon it's the Malabar to Maroubra walk for sure. Used to walk it all time. Good place to spot whales

Malabar

https://www.nationalparks.nsw.gov.au/things-to-do/walking-tracks/bouddi-coastal-walk

Fairly sure it's on the the southside of the bridge as doesn't look like part of the manly to spit maybe Malabar headland or La Perouse headland.

However if these are the walks you like Malabar, La Perouse, manly to spit and The Royal National Park coastal track all have walks exactly like this with new boardwalks build around the headlands.

It's at Malabar Headland National Park. Southern Sydney beach

this is on the way to figure of 8 pools, royal national Park. A great walk, just time it with low tide to see the pools

I immediately thought of either Malabar headland or Royal national park. Both are beautiful, just beware that Malabar headland (eastern section) is closed on Saturdays and most Sundays due to the rifle range operations. If you like longer walks, Bundeena to Otford in RNP is probably my most favourite walk in NSW so I highly recommend it. It's about 30km long, totally doable in one day but many people choose to only walk a part of it or split the walk in 2 days.

Boudi national park

Looks like Manly > spit bridge.

Kurnell