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You are fined for using it. If it’s just charging and out of sight you wouldn’t be.

https://www.nsw.gov.au/driving-boating-and-transport/roads-safety-and-rules/safe-driving/mobiles-screens-and-gps#:~:text=All%20drivers%2C%20including%20learner%2C%20P1,not%20need%20to%20be%20off.

> Learner, P1 and P2 drivers

> You must not use a mobile phone while driving, even when you’re stationary, for example, stopped at lights or stuck in traffic. This includes:

> texting

> phone calls

> music

> emailing

> social media

> using the internet

> maps and navigation

> photography.

> This applies to mobile phones that are handheld, in a phone holder or hands-free, for example, via Bluetooth.

Op being vague.

If it’s charging and within arms reach they will fine you.

In NSW, yes you are. If it's in eyesight, you're fined.

https://www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/on-the-road/pplaters-legal-rollercoaster-over-using-phone-while-driving/news-story/fa91a61427f97aa7046d069c67fee9cb#:\~:text=On%20December%2015%2C%20the%20NSW,connected%20to%20a%20cellular%20network.

NSW will fine p platers for having it plugged in

That list of things you can't do matches the legislation - it doesn't say anything about having it plugged into a charger and not connected via Bluetooth.

definitely

How do they justify that? The legislation says you have to be using it - they could argue you are using it if you can see the screen and it lit up when something happened. But if you can't see it I'm not sure how they could claim you were using it and more than if it was out of sight and not being charged.

I'm assuming "just charging" means dumb charger not plugged into Apple Carplay/Android Auto

Legislation:

https://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol\_reg/rr2014104/s300.html

So service NSW is lying?

If you feel inclined hire a lawyer to look up the laws for you.

Below someone posted a case where the provisional lost even though there was no Sim card installed.

But yeah, sure just wing it

I think this is a catch all that you cant use it for any reason.

>(3-1) This rule does not apply to the driver of a motor vehicle who is the holder of a learner licence or a provisional P1 or P2 licence.

https://www.nsw.gov.au/driving-boating-and-transport/roads-safety-and-rules/safe-driving/mobiles-screens-and-gps#toc-using-a-mobile-phone-while-driving

OP was caught by a police officer, i think it's reasonable to assume it wasnt in the back seat charging in a bag.

huh??? I don't need a lawyer to look up the laws for me. I don't think Service NSW is lying - what they say is the same as the legislation.

In the case that was posted the person was USING the device and tried to claim it wasn't a phone because it didn't have a SIM card in it. I can't see how that relates to having a phone plugged into a dumb charger and not touching it. Perhaps you could explain to me how those two things are related?

It comes down to what is "using" the phone.

I'm currently on my Green Ps, due to upgrade to a full license in a couple of weeks. I currently have the 'S' condition on my license, meaning I must wear glasses or contact lenses while driving. However, I'm considering getting laser eye surgery sometime late this year. I figured this would mean I would have to come back (after having already upgraded my license) to get the S condition removed, and found [this section](https://www.service.nsw.gov.au/transaction/change-add-or-delete-a-driver-licence-condition) of the Service NSW website stating that:

*"If you need to change, add or delete a condition recorded on your driver licence, please visit a service centre. An example of a condition change is, for instance, if you wore glasses and then had laser surgery so glasses were no longer needed. This is a condition change that should be updated on your licence."*

My only concern is, there is no mention of the fees involved. The 5-year license I am planning on getting is [already $208](https://www.nsw.gov.au/driving-boating-and-transport/driver-and-rider-licences/fees). I really would not like to pay that amount again in the same year!

Has anyone done something similar (i.e. got a condition removed from their license) and knows what the fees involved are - if any?

Thanks in advance.

When I had to change my licence from no conditions to S condition, it didn’t cost me anything. Very easy process.

Replacement for medical changes is free

Just head in, do eye test then they will replace it for you.

I had mine done last year and from memory I didn’t pay anything, just filled in a form and handed it in, they took a new photo and sent me my new card in the post. It was pretty easy all said and done!

It's about $30 to replace. They would take a report from your opthamologist or whatnot and remove the s condition, then issue the same licence again simply without the condition. No loss of duration etc as it's not a cancellation or renewal, just a condition change.

Hell, medical changes might make the replacement free. I can't remember exactly. But either free or $30ish.

Thanks so much for sharing! That's really helpful to know :)

Easy, that I wouldn't mind! Was worried I'd have to pay the entire upgrade/renewal fee again... but 0 to 30 bucks will be alright, thanks!

And if you go to Paul Keating Park in Bankstown, they also have a Palestinian flag flying next to an Australian and NSW flag.

They originally raised a small flag there to start their support of Palestinians, but later replaced it with a larger one to match the size of the other two flags.

These flag poles are the same height, I think they just aren't square with your position

Hyperventilating about flags is un-Australian.

Poles look identical the thing is your angle I guess.

local government election year...

Sorry the photo isn't great, I've got an old phone that doesn't zoom and I had 2 seconds left before the traffic light turned green.

Anyway, so I saw this today (Beamish Street, Campsie) and noticed the center and highest flag was the Palestinian one. **To be clear, I have no horse in this race - I don't even know what they're fighting about - so I'm pretty neutral and admittedly, I'm pretty ignorant about who is right or wrong, but this isn't my issue.** All I know is that as an Australian I found it very odd another country's flag would be elevated above ours, ESPECIALLY when it's a tax paying government building.

I looked up the building and it's a government one, the SSROC. I then looked up who was involved and it blew my mind - some of the biggest mayors and local politicians in the area ([https://ssroc.nsw.gov.au/staff-board/](https://ssroc.nsw.gov.au/staff-board/)).

Does anyone else find think this doesn't feel right?

I'm thinking of emailing these guys just to make them aware, they probably don't even know. Does anyone know how to get in touch? I'm pretty sure their emails are simply <name>@nsw.gov.au right?

Could it be that someone put the flags on the wrong poles.

I thought it was Australian flag in the middles, state on one side, aboriginal on the other, which would mean the pole the Palestinian flag is on should have the Australian flag as it’s designed higher.

Then the flag of the moment is on the remaining pole

Ahh.. did the government finally change?

I have no idea now, someone tell me what's going on and what side is what team? I've been in a f\*cking loop now.

Yep. Typical Canterbury-Bankstown Council. They pulled this crap at the Council Chambers in Bankstown as well if I remember quite rightly. Meanwhile, as sections of the roads in that part of town straddle along in a pathetic condition….

(Woollahra can get stuffed as well; they were hoisting the other side’s flag. International affairs should be absolutely none of local council’s business.)

That facility by the way was the administration centre and council chambers for the former Canterbury City Council prior to its 2016 merge with Bankstown City. Both of those councils on their own? A long way better than the amalgamated garbage that exists now.

They look like they’re at the same height to me

I can't see the red triangle... are you sure it's a Palestine flag?

Poles are same height. Stop shit stirring.

This is unreal. That should be taken down immediately.

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It's fashionable, and easy, to support Palestine. Many do so (and by extension legitimise the Hamas brand of radical Islam, authoritarianism, and intolerance).

Palestine supporters do however ignore certain inconsistencies in their cause. For example the QUEERS4PALESTINE movement chooses to gloss over the inconvenient fact that it is one of the worse places on earth to be gay.

It's fashionable to ignore the Palestinian government's doctrine: rejecting any and all peaceful coexistence, asserting that Islam's global sovereignty is 'won through the carnage, displacement and terror of all non-Muslims'.

It's fashionable, and easy, to fly a Palestinian flag. It's unfashionable, and dangerous, to fly an Israeli flag. To the commentor who asked if Waverley council would fly an Israeli flag, they would never take the risk.

Supporters of Palestine believe they have the moral high ground, and are intolerant of those who disagree. They are emboldened to publicly display their antisemitism, knowing no consequence because their cause is fashionable.

Palestine has enough bubbleheads simping for it, as demonstrated in this thread, which is why I could not give a single, solitary fuck about Palestine.

They aren't. The 2nd one from the left is slightly higher, proper protocol would be to fly it slightly lower than full mast to keep it level with the rest of the set.

So you’d be fine with Waverly Council hoisting the Israeli flag then?

Nah it is actually slightly higher, but it's not like they intentionally did it, they just need to lower it slightly to be level with the rest.

Look in Streetview: the flag poles are all the same height.

I wouldn't read too far into it - aside from that being the state flag of NSW and not the national one they're certainly not flown at significantly different heights. Flying a foreign flag visibly lower than the Australian one would be a sign of immense disrespect and incredibly weird given its clearly being flown as a symbol of solidarity. They probably should be more careful all three flags are properly at full mast but I really don't think this is an issue.

‘If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor’

But why are we as a country flying that, or any other nations flag next to our own?

It’s not the UN or CHOGM

It’s a f—king council building?

Didn’t they come here to get away from their country?

This may be controversial to some people but I don’t think flying another flag would be illegal, to my understanding councillors are there to make decisions independent of state and federal government.

The government of Gaza launched a massive coordinated terrorist attack on Israeli civilians provoking an invasion intended to root out and destroy their terrorist infrastructure. Hamas understood the consequences would be potentially disastrous for their own citizens and that's part of the point. The whole goal of their propaganda is to minimise their evil actions and direct attention to the suffering of Palestinians that is a direct consequence of their evil actions.

No we should absolutely not be expressing the slightest support for a terrorist run state that deliberately started this war through senseless slaughter and now cries victim.

Not in real life, the second one from the left is slightly higher.

No.

everyone downvoting: Do you think your council should take a position on an international relations matter?

WTF

More like corrected. They simply need to lower it slightly to bring it in-line. Apart from that, it's fine, they got the order of precedence right.

Agreed. It’s outrageous that this should flying anywhere near a Government building anywhere in Australia.

Also Israel and israelíes surely, would be weird to take a side by stating that you don’t care about the existence of an entire group of people. Better to be indifferent unilaterally

Fine is the wrong word, I wouldn't try to stop them but I also wouldn't respect the decision. I might even tell them why I think it's a bad decision.