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Makes sense if their goal is to eradicate Hamas. Have to find and clear everything. That takes a long time, especially when tunnels are involved.
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2024-17-06
I understand what you're trying to say but let me ask you: If you live in a country controlled by a dictator where you can get put in jail for years or worse, killed. Would you bother even trying to protest? With that being said, what Israel is currently doing is the only way to free the people.
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2024-17-06
It’s not this black and white. Nothing is. But I don’t think you’re interested in grey, just spouting propaganda. But for anyone else: it isn’t as black and white as this guy says it is. Common sense will tell you that.
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2024-17-06
It took me a few time to make sense of your sentence. You do realize I was agreeing with you right?
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2024-17-06
> I do think the vast majority of Gazans are just folks wanting to live their life the best they can before they die This might be the case but most likely isn't, where according to a 2013 survey (and likely even more extreme after years under Hamas rule), 84% believe that stoning is the appropriate punishment for adultery, among many other beliefs that would likely differ vastly from yours. There are many interesting facts hidden here: https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/
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2024-17-06
And the three heads of Hamas who are typically in Qatar (may be in Turkey at the moment) are together worth something in the ballpark of $11 billion.
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2024-17-06
Yes, i do. Perhaps worse. Give them power and you'll see. Already seeing in Texas and some other regions btw. Or in the SC. If you think this is mental gymnastics and can't see they're the same, then i'm done here.
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2024-17-06
Wait, there was a joke?
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2024-17-06
That's the problem, so many westerners can't seem to wrap their heads around the thought of a population being radicalised into preferring endless war if it means they get a chance to kill Jews.
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2024-17-06
We’ve been half way there for 40 years.
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2024-17-06
Well I thought so, being corrected on poor grammar is basically a reddit joke and I thought it was funny. This is twice today I've found myself on the wrong end of violent agreement and me trying to be good humored about it. But I get it now. You were being pedantically agreeable and would prefer to violently agree rather than be good natured about it. Carry on.
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2024-17-06
Yeah, only 70% of Gazans support Hamas, the rest support PIJ!
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2024-17-06
Insane take.
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2024-17-06
Personally, I would love to see some evidence to the contrary. But as of now it’s pretty clear what unrwa teaches children in Palestinian schools. The polls show wide spread support for Oct 7th and hamas. The pa won’t have elections in the West Bank for fear of losing to Hamas.
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2024-17-06
I’ll believe it in two weeks
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2024-17-06
> This might be the case but most likely isn't, where according to a 2013 survey > >> **Polls taken under a murderous terrorist dictatorship are not something to rely on and the sooner the UNRWA stops lying to kids in "schools" the better.** I'm happy to requote myself a third time if that helps you better understand my intent.
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2024-17-06
That would make sense, but in this case there is another part of the polls who back it up as "legit", and that is the fact that the poll was also done in the WB, in places controlled by the PA, and the numbers are pretty much the same, actually, the WB has even more support for Hamas, while the Gazan support went down but just by like 4-5 % (still a majority). If the polls were totally incorrect then there would be more disparity between the 2 sides of Palestinians, but it is pretty much the same.
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2024-17-06
You are making two contradictory arguments. At first you speak about support for Hamas, basically implying there are no innocents in Gaza. And then you imply the deaths of innocent civilians are an unfortunate reality of war.
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2024-18-06
I've seen so many commenters angry that the casualty numbers were revised to clarify that fewer women and children had been killed. Fucking insane. Shouldn't everyone be happy about that? Like???
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2024-18-06
I hope he’s taken out by Private Virtuepeace
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2024-18-06
I hate Hamas, hopefully Gaza gets better leadership once they're gone.
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2024-18-06
Sinwar must be found.
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2024-18-06
Lol, are you serious?
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2024-18-06
Bring back settlements in Gaza. People need to learn to live together in peace.
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2024-18-06
Sinwar is celebrating every death because it captures support from people like you. That is why he will not end this.
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2024-18-06
No policy change on Palestinian statehood will move the needle because the sticking point is the eradication of Israel.
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2024-18-06
No, lol. You misconstrued my allegory. I'm supporting Israel actions for defending themselves. I'm implying they have a heavy populace support with Hamas's actions. A large majority are from extremely conservative Muslim sect funded by the Iranians who want to further their goals of destabilizing the west. We see that with the Houthis indiscriminately attacking shipping in the red sea. No gay rights. No women rights. No relgion rights. They want to create a muslim theocracy, something anyone who's against those things should oppose. Therefore, Israel has a right to defend itself from terrorists.
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2024-18-06
And IDF is helping him.
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2024-18-06
> How many Palestinians will be left alive at that point? The vast majority? There are millions of people in Gaza and only like 30-40 thousand deaths, most of which are Hamas. The number of Hamas left is dwindling, so the available pool of future deaths is pretty low at this point. That's why the rate of increase in the death toll has slowed drastically over the past few months.
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2024-18-06
They let Sinwar go in a trade for other stolen humans. How did that end?
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2024-18-06
Good thing there aren't indiscriminate attacks happening in Gaza by Israel. They're killing fewer than one person per bomb in a dense urban area, even if you use Hamas' questionable death tolls.
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2024-18-06
Neat.
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2024-18-06
No not at all. Israel is trying to eliminate the security threat of Hamas. Israel is protecting themselves from further attacks. There is no Israeli intent to harm civilians. Something doesn't need an intent or punishment to be learned from. If you speed a car and crash into a tree while going around a tight bend, the tree was not punishing you. The tree had no intent. But you will still learn about the consequences of your actions from speeding. Gazans elected Hamas into power and support hamas. Those decisions to support hamas have led to consequential events for Gazans. They can learn from that, the lesson being don't vote for bad leadership who start wars.
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2024-18-06
Either you believe the civilian population deserved it, or you believe indiscriminate attacks against civilians is wrong. You can't have it both ways. If you believe attacking civilians indiscriminately is wrong, then what you said about supporting Hamas was irrelevant.
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2024-18-06
Yeah, you can win any argument if you change someones words in a way that totally ignores what they said.
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2024-18-06
They found many tunnels into Egypt. I’d bet he’s there holed up with hostages.
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2024-18-06
I don't think you know what indiscriminate is. Artillery barrages are indescriminate. IDF uses air guided missiles and bombs that are aimed at a military target. The military targets have civilians in them because that's Hamas modus operandi. It's legal to attack military targets that have civilians inside them. It's collateral damage.
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2024-18-06
You know, fewer than one person per bomb (if true) actually proves the opposite of what the IDF has claimed, that their attacks are always carried out with precision. Fewer than one person per bomb means many bombs did not hit their marks.
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2024-18-06
Or maybe watching your family and friends get blown up radicalises you.
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2024-18-06
A poll is only as good as the sample you get. If you're polling in an area ruled by a murderous terrorist dictatorship which has shown glee in torturing and killing anyone (and their family) who opposes them, one shouldn't be surprised when support is shown to that regime. To put it another way, if I were living under a terrorist authoritarian regime I would lie to anyone coming to my door about my actual feelings for the regime because I can do more to oppose that regime as a living, free man than dying for the truth.
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2024-18-06
Because it will be terrible for the government in domestic politics. Every soldier that dies is a war hero. Every hostage that dies is one less justification for the war.
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2024-18-06
Oh I see, technically yes with that frame of thought. Further shows how illogical dehumanization is
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2024-18-06
You could, I don't know, actually look it up for yourself? Half the problem is idiots are all over social media repeating shit they saw other people say or even thinking that the thing their corner of the internet is arguing about is an actual reflection of the most important topic in real life. The world is your oyster.
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2024-18-06
The refusal to accept that you've lost. Japan and Germany were forced to accept they lost. The Confederates and Taliban never accepted anything close to "we lost."
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2024-18-06
Insofar as Jihadi terrorism is the shared ideology, yes, obviously eradicate every terrorist who shares that ideology. 
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2024-18-06
Palestinian statehood is never going to happen.
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2024-18-06
That's not how urls work, and stuff can get re reported in international media as well. Either way, i24 is an Israel based news company...
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2024-18-06
A better comparison is what the US did to Al-Qaeda. The US went ballistic on Al-Qaeda after 9/11 and slaughtered or renditioned them anywhere they could be found. Today Al-Qaeda is functionally extinct and their neutered leadership is hiding in Iran. That is what I believe Israel has planned for Hamas. As soon as open warfare ends the hunter killer phase will begin. Hamas will find very few safe places to hide and definitely not in Gaza. The US didn’t chase the Taliban into Pakistan and the Taliban waited patiently for 20 years until the Americans left to reclaim Afghanistan.
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2024-17-06
Can we have a list of which countries passed the 2% target compared to last year? Articles dosen't say.
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2024-17-06
BRICS is an economic term that somehow got weaponized into a loose economic forum by those countries. The reality is those countries have competing interests. They're not allies. India would rather off itself than be allied with china. They have an active trade war with them and border dispute.
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2024-17-06
Come people just see beyond the propaganda.. who is making the money?? Look at Blackrock... yeah it help that Puting is a dictator and crazy but it was so easy to make him fall into the trap.
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2024-18-06
The US has been causing global conflicts since WW2. And everytime there is an election there is a crisis. Such a beutifull country but ruled by corporations and weapons sales. Unfortunately. Oligarchs is not only a Russian thing you know?
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2024-18-06
In related news, Russia will gain control of Ukraine in three days.
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2024-17-06
Companies etc buy that shit and as long as you go through loopholes and don't advertise it's russian, it's a free for all. It's the money market. Money always wins.
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2024-17-06
Russian pipeline through Ukraine....still operational. The deal dates back to 2019, when Russia and Ukraine signed an 5 year agreement to let Moscow's state energy firm Gazprom export supplies to the EU via pipelines running through the country, stil now the providing LNG for Slovakia, Austria,.. Wondering if the agreement will be extended in 2025 🙄
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2024-17-06
>Wondering if the agreement will be extended in 2025 Me thinks probably not
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That’s old fashioned irony right there.
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2024-17-06
They weren’t forced out. Israel’s Declaration of Independence offered “complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants”. They could have stayed, but instead they chose to fight, and they lost.
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2024-18-06
Americans are setting entry policies for the Maldives?
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2024-18-06
Did South Africa not issue passports for non-whites during apartheid?
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2024-18-06
Ah the cashier PhD
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2024-18-06
True, but i think it qualifies as an ME country.
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2024-18-06
Nobody in the history of the world has called someone who is prejudiced against Arabs as an anti-Semite… But if you’re gonna start that nonsense then tell us what word we should call people who hate Jews and we’ll use that.
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2024-18-06
This is a country that literally requires all citizens to be Sunni Muslims: >The 2008 Constitution of Maldives designates Sunni Islam as the state religion. Only Sunni Muslims are allowed to hold citizenship in the country and citizens may practice Sunni Islam only. Non-Muslim citizens of other nations can practice their faith only in private and are barred from evangelizing or propagating their faith. All residents are required to teach their children the Muslim faith. The president, ministers, parliamentarians, and chiefs of the atolls are required to be Sunni Muslims. Government regulations are based on Islamic law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_Maldives
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2024-18-06
What a childish argument. Starfish aren't scientifcally fish, we all agree that "Starfish" refers to that animal though, so that's what it is. Definitions are made by humans, antisemitic means hatred/prejudice towards jews, don't try to rewrite definitions with centuries of history, oppresion, and massacres behind them just because they don't mesh with your political opinions.
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2024-18-06
Pretty fascinating. Been diving into a few articles. Starting in and around 48’ it appears each of the successive conflicts between Israel and Palestine coincided with increasing pressure against Jews in the ME. Kind of an odd phenomenon if you think about it. Israel establishes a homeland for Jews and in turn that same action forces other Jews out of their homelands.
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2024-18-06
Yeah that's the idea.
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2024-18-06
I mean blatant and overt antisemitism has been a staple of Muslim countries for a long time. There’s a reason there are virtually no Jews anywhere else in the Middle East outside of Israel, and many of them did not go willingly. Yet the Muslim population in both Israel and Palestine has done nothing but grow. Funny how that works.
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2024-18-06
What's their stance on gay folks?
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2024-18-06
Just say you ban Jews. We get it. No need to try and sugar coat this.
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2024-18-06
But if there's ever a market for the reproductive habits of Neandertal hermaphrodites during Spring on Tuesdays, they're gonna make BANK!
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2024-18-06
Jesus is allowed, just not Christ. (afaik Jesus is still considered to be a prophet in Islam, just not *the* prophet)
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2024-18-06
There are probably more people living in countries that have governments that enact apartheid to some degree (can be as simple as making everyone specific religion when they apply for passport to outright putting people in camps based on their ideology) than those who do not.
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2024-18-06
But were they allowed passports to leave and enter other countries?
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2024-18-06
That's why I always recommend those who want to go to a tropical paradise to choose French Polynesia (Bora Bora) over Maldives. Also having mountains is cooler.
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2024-18-06
Did those legal discriminations include passports being issued though?
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2024-18-06
It's about making people think you're hurting jews.
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2024-18-06
That's also not 100% true. There are Israeli Arabs that refer to themselves as Palestinians, but there are a majority of Israeli Arabs who do not refer to themselves as Palestinians (depending on how you consider Druze, Beduiin, and how they define Palestinians - as a separate identity than Israeli Arabs, or just meaning Arabs that lived in the area). As most things it is very nuanced.
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Well probably because most countries are pretty lax on those laws. I was in Java/Indonesia and morocco which are both islamic countries/regions but they seemed fine other than the ceremonies in the middle of night. ...at least for tourists
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>yet it seems that many Muslim majority countries are run with a strong Shia predispositions towards how the law is followed through Globally Islam has always trended toward conservative orthodoxy despite adulation towards liberal muslim governments and bodies. I don't think there is a single islamic government that started liberal and stayed that way, their politics are (always) constrained by what was laid down 1400 yes ago.
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2024-18-06
Jesus isn’t allowed in? I thought this was a ban on Jews, not Mexicans (my brother in law is named Hey-seus lol)
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2024-18-06
People who haven't actually read the Bible front to back usually just assume thst everything in the New Testament is Jesus' words. It's also obvious that most religious people just take whatever their priest/imam/whatever say as gospel and never try to actually read their holy book themselves. Meaning they are now going to blindly believe whatever their priest/imam/whatever believes or wants them to believe. Tl;dr: they get it from their priest/imam/whatever's teachings.
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2024-18-06
The Old Testament doesn't talk about hell. It talks about Gehenna, an actual physical place in modern day Israel where you can go to a day. The ancient Jews thought it was the most cursed place on earth, and having your dead body thrown into that place is equal is the worst fate you could get. (Jews to this day are incredibly concerned with the proper burial of their dead, so being left to decompose in a cursed place is as bad as it gets. This would be Jesus personal understanding of a place of punishment after death) Hell as the modern Christians understand it is largely from Revelations, (eternal torture with no pardon) the latest section of the bible and by far the most unhinged. It is basically just murder porn fan fiction staring Jesus as a genocidal maniac, written by some early Christian who had been ostracized by his community.
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2024-18-06
A free ride when you’re already late?
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I think immediately resorting to 'it was probably aliens' is not necessary if you're already skeptical of major religions, for a few reasons. 1) There's lot of normal phenomena that looks really weird/ optical illusions and so on, that could be construed as miraculous. 2) There's an element of survivorship bias when considering major religions; for those that are the main faiths from antiquity, there's many novel religious cults that didn't survive, and many which emphasised miracles and following a singular figure. The worship of Sol Invictus, favoured by some in the Roman era could've developed into a monotheist faith, the [cult of Pythagoras](https://www.thecollector.com/cult-of-pythagoras/) and more such things I don't have the energy to search up right at the minute. >Sodom and Gomorrah turned to a pillar of salt? Maybe a nuclear explosion or other similar technology I saw a documentary exploring possible natural explanations for some of the disasters recorded in the Old Testament, and it was fairly compelling.
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2024-18-06
You are forgetting the part about the settlements and the war crimes. Anti-semitism is a significant part of it, but that doesn’t mean Israel does nothing bad ever.
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2024-17-06
Yes unfortunately. Thats how politics work
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2024-18-06
I'm confused. They want to ally with russia and iran, who wants to destroy us, but they also want our help. How do they solve that mental gymnastics puzzle.
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2024-18-06
I had to go read the meaning of consequence. The way you wrote it, it sounds like it's the people's fault. Is that what you mean? Then I went and checked if the word 'consequence' insinuates fault. It doesn't, but one of the synonyms is 'repercussion', which definitely does. Anwaaaayyy
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2024-18-06
Meanwhile, the UN has finally admitted that there's actually plenty of food flowing into Gaza, and we also know we keep finding Hamas stashes of stored aid. Perhaps that aid would be better appreciated by people who actually need it in Sudan?
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2024-18-06
If they're not willing to stand up to those in power to save themselves? Yes.
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2024-18-06
i think what they are asking is why is it our responsibility to help them. and before you strawman me, i don't think we should be sending aid anywhere if we have trouble supporting our own back home.
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2024-18-06
the world is a dark place. always has been, always will be. the sooner you accept that the less angry you will be about everything.
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2024-18-06
Unironically yes dumbass
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2024-18-06
Maybe they are talking about their world? AFAIK these guys are lapdogs of Putin and Iran along with CCP. Why beg us to give them food? Your youth are fighting against the western world.
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2024-18-06
Why does that make me a dumbass?
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2024-18-06
If you have to ask, there’s no help for you.
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