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Holy moly it's insane what uneducated people just spout on the internet like it's fact lol. Ex muslim here. It's the first house of God. Aka a mosque. In arabic mosques are "masjid". They are all houses of god. You go to any to pray. Muslims will go for hajj once in their life. It's not to worship a box. Or a stone. It's pilgrimage to the first house of God to pray the way the prophet did in his lifetime. Please... just stop spreading misinformation. You guys are all ridiculous lol. If Christians could go to church and pray at the Vatican Wouldn't that be neat? It's just a different, holy-er location. Has nothing to do with sucking off the pope. Or worshiping his location. Come on guys lmao. And the people Dying? Religion didn't do that. It was bad planning to go at such a hot time. Some people set up this trip months in advance. God didn't smite them. Religion didn't advocate for them to die in the heat. It was poor planning. Not everyone can afford to go at the best time available. People die on the beach from heat. It's not the beaches fault. Please stop lmao.
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Holy moly it's insane what uneducated people just spout on the internet like it's fact lol. Ex muslim here. It's the first house of God. Aka a mosque. In arabic mosques are "masjid". They are all houses of god. You go to any to pray. Muslims will go for hajj once in their life. It's not to worship a box. Or a stone. It's pilgrimage to the first house of God to pray the way the prophet did in his lifetime. Please... just stop spreading misinformation. You guys are all ridiculous lol. If Christians could go to church and pray at the Vatican Wouldn't that be neat? It's just a different, holy-er location. Has nothing to do with sucking off the pope. Or worshiping his location. Come on guys lmao. And the people Dying? Religion didn't do that. It was bad planning to go at such a hot time. Some people set up this trip months in advance. God didn't smite them. Religion didn't advocate for them to die in the heat. It was poor planning. Not everyone can afford to go at the best time available. People die on the beach from heat. It's not the beaches fault. Please stop lmao.
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2024-16-06
I don't know, the Muslims I've known believe some pretty strange things about the Kaaba and the black rock, and that Zamzam water. Christians believe some dumb shit, too, and I've said worse about Christianity and no one says I'm spreading misinformation or being Christianophobic. The Abrahamic religions (except for the actual wisdom literature that came out of it) are just dumb, all three of them.
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I don't know, the Muslims I've known believe some pretty strange things about the Kaaba and the black rock, and that Zamzam water. Christians believe some dumb shit, too, and I've said worse about Christianity and no one says I'm spreading misinformation or being Christianophobic. The Abrahamic religions (except for the actual wisdom literature that came out of it) are just dumb, all three of them.
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2024-16-06
That's nothing. You should see when Allah send verse just to allow Muhammad to marry his son's wife
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That's nothing. You should see when Allah send verse just to allow Muhammad to marry his son's wife
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2024-17-06
Yeah, really weird how much of the final revelation of the word of god to mankind had to do with specific shit related to Mohammad that always was in his favor.
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Yeah, really weird how much of the final revelation of the word of god to mankind had to do with specific shit related to Mohammad that always was in his favor.
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2024-17-06
> Ex muslim here. What a coincidence. So am I. > It's the first house of God. Aka a mosque. In arabic mosques are "masjid". They are all houses of god. You go to any to pray. Muslims will go for hajj once in their life. It's not to worship a box. Or a stone. It's pilgrimage to the first house of God to pray the way the prophet did in his lifetime. Yeah, that's bollocks. The pilgrimage isn't too pray like Mohammed did, it is to pray at the Haram mosque, the one built by Abraham himself, the one that is right below the throne of Allah. And the black stone is supposedly so magical that on judgement day it will speak up for people. That is worshipping a cube and a stone. > And the people Dying? Religion didn't do that. It was bad planning to go at such a hot time. You realize that the time of Hajj is prescribed by the religion, right? You doing get to pick when to go because the religion decides which time of the year Hajj happens, just as the religion decides which time of the year Ramadan happens.
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> Ex muslim here. What a coincidence. So am I. > It's the first house of God. Aka a mosque. In arabic mosques are "masjid". They are all houses of god. You go to any to pray. Muslims will go for hajj once in their life. It's not to worship a box. Or a stone. It's pilgrimage to the first house of God to pray the way the prophet did in his lifetime. Yeah, that's bollocks. The pilgrimage isn't too pray like Mohammed did, it is to pray at the Haram mosque, the one built by Abraham himself, the one that is right below the throne of Allah. And the black stone is supposedly so magical that on judgement day it will speak up for people. That is worshipping a cube and a stone. > And the people Dying? Religion didn't do that. It was bad planning to go at such a hot time. You realize that the time of Hajj is prescribed by the religion, right? You doing get to pick when to go because the religion decides which time of the year Hajj happens, just as the religion decides which time of the year Ramadan happens.
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2024-17-06
Next fifty? I remember the 2003 heatwave in Europe that killed tens of thousands of people. It's not new. You do have a point that it will probably be worse though...
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Next fifty? I remember the 2003 heatwave in Europe that killed tens of thousands of people. It's not new. You do have a point that it will probably be worse though...
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2024-17-06
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2024-16-06
At first I thought this said World Eaters, and thought “hoo-boy, y’all better listen ‘less you want to be on the bad side of Angron.”
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At first I thought this said World Eaters, and thought “hoo-boy, y’all better listen ‘less you want to be on the bad side of Angron.”
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2024-16-06
*realistic ambitions*? Maybe they keep crimea, but otherwise fuckall Their own, internally held ambitions? Nothing short of reconstructing the USSR, reigniting and winning the cold war. Now the fact that they can't even take Ukraine while their opposition is armed with what NATO found under the couch cushions kinda puts a damper on that, but dictatorships are well known for suppressing the upwards flow of honest information
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*realistic ambitions*? Maybe they keep crimea, but otherwise fuckall Their own, internally held ambitions? Nothing short of reconstructing the USSR, reigniting and winning the cold war. Now the fact that they can't even take Ukraine while their opposition is armed with what NATO found under the couch cushions kinda puts a damper on that, but dictatorships are well known for suppressing the upwards flow of honest information
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2024-17-06
You take the lesser of 2 evils 100% of the time. Holy mother of fuck, it's idiots like you that are why Trump has a chance at all in this election.
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You take the lesser of 2 evils 100% of the time. Holy mother of fuck, it's idiots like you that are why Trump has a chance at all in this election.
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2024-17-06
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The math still does‘t workout. “What if Germany had invested in nuclear power? A comparison between the German energy policy the last 20 years and an alternative policy of investing in nuclear power”-https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14786451.2024.2355642 Germany is at 400 g CO2 per kWh while France is at 53. If the goal were truly to deep decarbonize nuclear would be on the table.
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The math still does‘t workout. “What if Germany had invested in nuclear power? A comparison between the German energy policy the last 20 years and an alternative policy of investing in nuclear power”-https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14786451.2024.2355642 Germany is at 400 g CO2 per kWh while France is at 53. If the goal were truly to deep decarbonize nuclear would be on the table.
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2024-16-06
The issue with current reactors is that they take too long to set up. Then they may not be operational for as long as advertised, then you've got a stupidly expensive building that can't be knocked down to make way for something else. (But at least the universities get to play with the radionucletides!)
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The issue with current reactors is that they take too long to set up. Then they may not be operational for as long as advertised, then you've got a stupidly expensive building that can't be knocked down to make way for something else. (But at least the universities get to play with the radionucletides!)
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2024-16-06
Wonderful argument. Nuclear power is safe - while it's heavily regulated to ensure it's safe. To fix costs - let's get rid of all that pesky regulation that keep the costs up. I understand you think that regulations can be removed and safety won't crash. But your expectations or safe nuclear operations have been measured WHILE it's heavily regulated. Accidents like Chernobyl and Fukushima happened because regulation was either weak or circumvented (but circumvention is a sign of weak regulation in itself).
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Wonderful argument. Nuclear power is safe - while it's heavily regulated to ensure it's safe. To fix costs - let's get rid of all that pesky regulation that keep the costs up. I understand you think that regulations can be removed and safety won't crash. But your expectations or safe nuclear operations have been measured WHILE it's heavily regulated. Accidents like Chernobyl and Fukushima happened because regulation was either weak or circumvented (but circumvention is a sign of weak regulation in itself).
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2024-16-06
Your time is worth shit if you continue to invest it in the bullshit agenda you’re pushing.
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Your time is worth shit if you continue to invest it in the bullshit agenda you’re pushing.
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2024-16-06
No bigger waste of time than googling something now.
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No bigger waste of time than googling something now.
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2024-16-06
Is it a grift? Any leaders would be inundated with know it alls eager to educate them on nuclear. They’re too committed? Benefit from the hysteria? I wonder what they say in a debate?
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Is it a grift? Any leaders would be inundated with know it alls eager to educate them on nuclear. They’re too committed? Benefit from the hysteria? I wonder what they say in a debate?
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2024-16-06
Earthquake and Tsunami in a region famously threatened by both and where we got the word Tsunami from. So not really a good argument.
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Earthquake and Tsunami in a region famously threatened by both and where we got the word Tsunami from. So not really a good argument.
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2024-16-06
That is not what I was saying. One major cost for nuclear is storage of spent fuel. Which if you talk with experts is not a very big issue. But if you force owners to dig bunkers that are to be safe for thousands of years, costs rise a lot. Another factor that has caused significant increases in recent projects is regulatory meddling - I am all for very strict requirements, but the problem is that these projects take a lot of time during which you will often see elections in between, which causes regulatory bodies to change requirements during the process. Anyone with experience of a big building project knows that this is very costly. The root cause for this is public paranoia about nuclear power.
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That is not what I was saying. One major cost for nuclear is storage of spent fuel. Which if you talk with experts is not a very big issue. But if you force owners to dig bunkers that are to be safe for thousands of years, costs rise a lot. Another factor that has caused significant increases in recent projects is regulatory meddling - I am all for very strict requirements, but the problem is that these projects take a lot of time during which you will often see elections in between, which causes regulatory bodies to change requirements during the process. Anyone with experience of a big building project knows that this is very costly. The root cause for this is public paranoia about nuclear power.
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2024-16-06
> non cost competitive with renewables This is a lie. Renewables are indeed much cheaper and faster to setup. But this isn't the whole story. When comparing what produces more energy 1000 MW of nuclear or 1000 MW of solar. The answer is undoubtebly the nuclear. Depending on where you are solar can have a capacity factor of 17%. Nuclear can have capacity factor of 95%. So you're looking at a yearly average output of 170 MW from solar and 950 MW from nuclear. If you're interested in running a grid and having your lights / fridge on at home then you need a stable electric grid. By making your electricity dependent on unstable weather you're running into big issues. The cost increase for renewables is from trying to take an unstable source and turning it into firm power. If you're an investor and want to make electricy, then renewables are amazing! They are cheap / fast to install, require very little workers to operate. You can usually get the government to pay for part of your installation. Depending on your contract you can even get paid when the grid has too many renewables and needs to curtail you. If you can get your curtailments paid for, it's a no brainer. You're making $$$$$. The grid might have problems, but that's not your problem.
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> non cost competitive with renewables This is a lie. Renewables are indeed much cheaper and faster to setup. But this isn't the whole story. When comparing what produces more energy 1000 MW of nuclear or 1000 MW of solar. The answer is undoubtebly the nuclear. Depending on where you are solar can have a capacity factor of 17%. Nuclear can have capacity factor of 95%. So you're looking at a yearly average output of 170 MW from solar and 950 MW from nuclear. If you're interested in running a grid and having your lights / fridge on at home then you need a stable electric grid. By making your electricity dependent on unstable weather you're running into big issues. The cost increase for renewables is from trying to take an unstable source and turning it into firm power. If you're an investor and want to make electricy, then renewables are amazing! They are cheap / fast to install, require very little workers to operate. You can usually get the government to pay for part of your installation. Depending on your contract you can even get paid when the grid has too many renewables and needs to curtail you. If you can get your curtailments paid for, it's a no brainer. You're making $$$$$. The grid might have problems, but that's not your problem.
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2024-16-06
With lots of solar, price can be very cheap, even negative in the middle of the day. Electrical grids in commercial areas are also more suited to charge a lot of ev batteries at once, unlike residential areas which would need upgrading. Your car fully charged and plugged into the grid when you arrive home after work then becomes a valuable asset able to put energy back into the grid at peak demand. There are ev subscription services that let you basically charge your car for free and they make their money from the electricity price arbitrage.
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With lots of solar, price can be very cheap, even negative in the middle of the day. Electrical grids in commercial areas are also more suited to charge a lot of ev batteries at once, unlike residential areas which would need upgrading. Your car fully charged and plugged into the grid when you arrive home after work then becomes a valuable asset able to put energy back into the grid at peak demand. There are ev subscription services that let you basically charge your car for free and they make their money from the electricity price arbitrage.
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2024-16-06
Well we'd better go ask the guy who knows the most about nuclear!  
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Well we'd better go ask the guy who knows the most about nuclear!  
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2024-16-06
Those are probably the main actual concerns one should have. Terrorism should be manageable within current security standards, but clearly be kept in mind. War is more dangerous but should be manageable. First of all by placing reactors in remote locations. Second, the UN or other bodies could make it clear that targeting a nuclear reactor is equivalent using nuclear weapons.
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Those are probably the main actual concerns one should have. Terrorism should be manageable within current security standards, but clearly be kept in mind. War is more dangerous but should be manageable. First of all by placing reactors in remote locations. Second, the UN or other bodies could make it clear that targeting a nuclear reactor is equivalent using nuclear weapons.
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2024-16-06
Maybe so. But solar prices have so substantially and dramatically undercut all other technologies it's astounding. Building a new nuclear plant takes a decade and a billion dollars. Solar will crush it in the marketplace. With batteries improving, and more wind power, I think that's going to be the solution.
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Maybe so. But solar prices have so substantially and dramatically undercut all other technologies it's astounding. Building a new nuclear plant takes a decade and a billion dollars. Solar will crush it in the marketplace. With batteries improving, and more wind power, I think that's going to be the solution.
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2024-16-06
The actual problem is the soviet mentality. With it you can always find ways to fuck things up and kill people for no reason. With that imperfect reactor design it was still easy to avoid the catastrophe by sticking to instructions and not messing around.
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The actual problem is the soviet mentality. With it you can always find ways to fuck things up and kill people for no reason. With that imperfect reactor design it was still easy to avoid the catastrophe by sticking to instructions and not messing around.
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2024-16-06
i think people have a hard time understanding how fast solar and battery cost innovations are happening. If you formed an opinion a couple of years ago, its already really out of date and wrong. There is no longer any future in which nuclear can compete, its a total waste of money.
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i think people have a hard time understanding how fast solar and battery cost innovations are happening. If you formed an opinion a couple of years ago, its already really out of date and wrong. There is no longer any future in which nuclear can compete, its a total waste of money.
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2024-16-06
But also kinda reinforces the point that it's more convenient to charge ew overnight, when solar is offline
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But also kinda reinforces the point that it's more convenient to charge ew overnight, when solar is offline
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2024-16-06
“Without nuclear, it will be impossible to tackle the environmental crisis, said world leaders, after doing literally nothing -even worse, fighting solutions- for decades.”
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“Without nuclear, it will be impossible to tackle the environmental crisis, said world leaders, after doing literally nothing -even worse, fighting solutions- for decades.”
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2024-16-06
even if they got investment, nukes will never see the kind of cost reduction from scale that solar did. They would get somewhat cheaper yes, but they are fundamentally complicated, expensive, big pieces of equipment, that require big facilities and security, even for SMRs. Solar is dead simple in comparison, very amenable to mass manufacturing. Nukes will never be cheap.
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even if they got investment, nukes will never see the kind of cost reduction from scale that solar did. They would get somewhat cheaper yes, but they are fundamentally complicated, expensive, big pieces of equipment, that require big facilities and security, even for SMRs. Solar is dead simple in comparison, very amenable to mass manufacturing. Nukes will never be cheap.
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2024-16-06
The only reason 9/11 happened was everyone assumed that you hijack a plane in order to make Ransom demands so protocol was to cooperate. That ship has sailed.
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The only reason 9/11 happened was everyone assumed that you hijack a plane in order to make Ransom demands so protocol was to cooperate. That ship has sailed.
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2024-16-06
The problem is that electric vehicle charging demand doesn't line up with renewables power delivery. Peak EV demand is usually about 6-9 PM, when commuters get home from work and plug in, where peak solar is at high noon.
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The problem is that electric vehicle charging demand doesn't line up with renewables power delivery. Peak EV demand is usually about 6-9 PM, when commuters get home from work and plug in, where peak solar is at high noon.
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2024-16-06
2018 is incredibly out of date for solar costs. You can tell, because it talks about solar thermal which is a totally dead technology in 2024 due to how much cheaper PV has become. Also in 2024 we have a panel surplus, not a supply chain exhaustion. Things are changing very fast in this segment, 2018 is practically irrelevant. You can pick any random source for 2024 and it shows grid solar with a vastly lower LCOE than nuclear: https://www.statista.com/statistics/194327/estimated-levelized-capital-cost-of-energy-generation-in-the-us/ https://decarbonization.visualcapitalist.com/the-cheapest-sources-of-electricity-in-the-us/ https://ourworldindata.org/cheap-renewables-growth idk what to tell you, its not cherry picking, its widely understood and not controversial that solar is much cheaper than nuclear today, per mwh. Adding storage makes that less straightforward, harder to find numbers for that.
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2018 is incredibly out of date for solar costs. You can tell, because it talks about solar thermal which is a totally dead technology in 2024 due to how much cheaper PV has become. Also in 2024 we have a panel surplus, not a supply chain exhaustion. Things are changing very fast in this segment, 2018 is practically irrelevant. You can pick any random source for 2024 and it shows grid solar with a vastly lower LCOE than nuclear: https://www.statista.com/statistics/194327/estimated-levelized-capital-cost-of-energy-generation-in-the-us/ https://decarbonization.visualcapitalist.com/the-cheapest-sources-of-electricity-in-the-us/ https://ourworldindata.org/cheap-renewables-growth idk what to tell you, its not cherry picking, its widely understood and not controversial that solar is much cheaper than nuclear today, per mwh. Adding storage makes that less straightforward, harder to find numbers for that.
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2024-16-06
Germany is the biggest exporter of electricity - mostly to France and Italy, which are the two biggest importers of electricity within EU.
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Germany is the biggest exporter of electricity - mostly to France and Italy, which are the two biggest importers of electricity within EU.
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2024-16-06
If we accept radical climate change is likely, aren't renewables at risk of being impacted? Nuclear is the only one we could use without sunlight or wind, and unaffected by the sea or whatever climate there will be.
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If we accept radical climate change is likely, aren't renewables at risk of being impacted? Nuclear is the only one we could use without sunlight or wind, and unaffected by the sea or whatever climate there will be.
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2024-16-06
Again, it was a decent idea 20 years ago... it's just simply too little too late, and unnecessary given the *rapidly* decreasing costs of both renewables and storage.
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Again, it was a decent idea 20 years ago... it's just simply too little too late, and unnecessary given the *rapidly* decreasing costs of both renewables and storage.
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2024-16-06
Oh sorry, I misread it as there not being a lot of pro-nuclear people overall
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Oh sorry, I misread it as there not being a lot of pro-nuclear people overall
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2024-16-06
Then we might as well use oil or coal. Or just wood and the the fossil fuel alone
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Then we might as well use oil or coal. Or just wood and the the fossil fuel alone
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2024-16-06
I wouldn't call a fear of nuclear to be irrational. Fukushima wasn't that long ago, nor was Chernobyl for that matter.
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I wouldn't call a fear of nuclear to be irrational. Fukushima wasn't that long ago, nor was Chernobyl for that matter.
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2024-16-06
A nuclear fuel life span is 6 years, after that it should be stored forever as nuclear waste. Nuclear power is unprofitable if you count construction costs in tarrifs, that's why it's heavily government subsidized. Solar panels and wind generators life span is 30 years. https://www.techspot.com/news/103415-three-decade-old-solar-modules-france-retain-remarkable.html
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A nuclear fuel life span is 6 years, after that it should be stored forever as nuclear waste. Nuclear power is unprofitable if you count construction costs in tarrifs, that's why it's heavily government subsidized. Solar panels and wind generators life span is 30 years. https://www.techspot.com/news/103415-three-decade-old-solar-modules-france-retain-remarkable.html
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2024-16-06
Yet there are zero examples of a country deep decarbonize with solar, wind and storage. Zero. So nuclear is still a good idea if you want to remove fossil fuels from the grid.
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Yet there are zero examples of a country deep decarbonize with solar, wind and storage. Zero. So nuclear is still a good idea if you want to remove fossil fuels from the grid.
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2024-16-06
There are plenty of examples of countries in the middle of it now, and the projections make it way faster than nuclear. Also, we really can't use nuclear in unstable countries because of the proliferation and terrorism problems, of which there are a lot.
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There are plenty of examples of countries in the middle of it now, and the projections make it way faster than nuclear. Also, we really can't use nuclear in unstable countries because of the proliferation and terrorism problems, of which there are a lot.
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2024-16-06
From my experience there is far bigger crowd of "We can only do with renewables" which is objectively impossible vs "We can only do with nuclear" which is objectively possible but stupid for obvious economic reasons
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From my experience there is far bigger crowd of "We can only do with renewables" which is objectively impossible vs "We can only do with nuclear" which is objectively possible but stupid for obvious economic reasons
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2024-16-06
oh radioactive wild boar? that sounds bad... meanwhile coal use causes over 1,000 deaths in Germany every year.
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oh radioactive wild boar? that sounds bad... meanwhile coal use causes over 1,000 deaths in Germany every year.
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2024-16-06
Nuclear is 17 times more expensive than solar and takes 5 times longer to build. Its no longer economicaly viable.
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Nuclear is 17 times more expensive than solar and takes 5 times longer to build. Its no longer economicaly viable.
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2024-16-06
>Nuclear is clearly an overpriced dead end technology. Tell me a carbon neutral source of energy that you can get on demand that isn't nuclear
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>Nuclear is clearly an overpriced dead end technology. Tell me a carbon neutral source of energy that you can get on demand that isn't nuclear
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2024-16-06
Looking at statistics would be useless, because not every unregulated hellhole have nuclear power, but every unregulated hellhole does engage with fossil fuels. It's not a surprise that nuclear power is way safer statistically when the countries that mostly use it are very regulated and take safety seriously (one obvious exception led to a meltdown that rendered an entire region uninhabitable and yet could have been worse). Now hypothetically put every unregulated hellhole in charge of nuclear power, and you're telling me you're not at all worried about what that might end up looking like?
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Looking at statistics would be useless, because not every unregulated hellhole have nuclear power, but every unregulated hellhole does engage with fossil fuels. It's not a surprise that nuclear power is way safer statistically when the countries that mostly use it are very regulated and take safety seriously (one obvious exception led to a meltdown that rendered an entire region uninhabitable and yet could have been worse). Now hypothetically put every unregulated hellhole in charge of nuclear power, and you're telling me you're not at all worried about what that might end up looking like?
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2024-16-06
>You know renewables will be cheaper in america because of bidens IRA. Do you think trump wouldve done the same to progress renewables? This is off-topic from our discussion and the news story, so I'm not going answer as it usually just results in a pissing match.
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>You know renewables will be cheaper in america because of bidens IRA. Do you think trump wouldve done the same to progress renewables? This is off-topic from our discussion and the news story, so I'm not going answer as it usually just results in a pissing match.
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2024-16-06
Wind at ground level dies down at night, it typically increases at the height of wind turbines operate at, so turbines are generally most productive during the evening and night.
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Wind at ground level dies down at night, it typically increases at the height of wind turbines operate at, so turbines are generally most productive during the evening and night.
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2024-16-06
So should nuclear be less strictly regulated?
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So should nuclear be less strictly regulated?
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2024-16-06
Most large fossil companies have diversified into general energy companies
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Most large fossil companies have diversified into general energy companies
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2024-16-06
Renewable energy share is up massively while fossil fuels and resulting CO2 emissions are down. So the energy transition is actually going well.
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Renewable energy share is up massively while fossil fuels and resulting CO2 emissions are down. So the energy transition is actually going well.
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2024-16-06
400 g CO2 per kWh is not going well. It is a failure. If you built new nuclear while keeping your 17 plants open you would have deep decarbonized.
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400 g CO2 per kWh is not going well. It is a failure. If you built new nuclear while keeping your 17 plants open you would have deep decarbonized.
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2024-16-06
So we should keep those regulations? You can't have it both ways. Nuclear, if operated safely, is expensive. Period. That's just how it is. Nuclear is in decline because of high costs and long project lead times, not environmental groups that have never had any real power or influence. Wind, solar, and batteries installations are accelerating faster than nuclear ever has in the past, and certainly faster than it can now. The question is if money invested in nuclear would be better spent in renewables/storage projects, which is becoming overwhelmingly the case. The old "but what about baseload" arguments are becoming increasingly irrelevant as battery production ramps up. Electrification of transportation (and vehicle to grid systems) will further accelerate grid storage. Essentially the only cases I can see for nuclear will be for smaller countries that don't have neighboring electricity import partners where seasonal renewable variations are significant, and potentially to supply desalination. It may be necessary, but it will be more expensive than predominantly renewable grids.
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So we should keep those regulations? You can't have it both ways. Nuclear, if operated safely, is expensive. Period. That's just how it is. Nuclear is in decline because of high costs and long project lead times, not environmental groups that have never had any real power or influence. Wind, solar, and batteries installations are accelerating faster than nuclear ever has in the past, and certainly faster than it can now. The question is if money invested in nuclear would be better spent in renewables/storage projects, which is becoming overwhelmingly the case. The old "but what about baseload" arguments are becoming increasingly irrelevant as battery production ramps up. Electrification of transportation (and vehicle to grid systems) will further accelerate grid storage. Essentially the only cases I can see for nuclear will be for smaller countries that don't have neighboring electricity import partners where seasonal renewable variations are significant, and potentially to supply desalination. It may be necessary, but it will be more expensive than predominantly renewable grids.
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2024-16-06
Those regulations are written in blood, though. Not by environmentalists. There are more than a few lead coffins that can attest to the need for caution. I’m 100% pro nuke power but it’s not quite true that environmentalism is to blame for its demise.
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Those regulations are written in blood, though. Not by environmentalists. There are more than a few lead coffins that can attest to the need for caution. I’m 100% pro nuke power but it’s not quite true that environmentalism is to blame for its demise.
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2024-16-06
Which is why storage exists. Do you have any real arguments now or will this just continue?
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Which is why storage exists. Do you have any real arguments now or will this just continue?
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2024-16-06
If storage exists why is Germany dirty? Do you have any examples of a country deep decarbonizing or will this just continue?
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If storage exists why is Germany dirty? Do you have any examples of a country deep decarbonizing or will this just continue?
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2024-16-06
>You're acting like the energy transition is complete, which it's not.
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>You're acting like the energy transition is complete, which it's not.
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2024-16-06
Until Germany reaches 50 g CO2 per kWh their nuclear phaseout will be criticized. Which probably means Germany will be criticized indefinitely.
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Until Germany reaches 50 g CO2 per kWh their nuclear phaseout will be criticized. Which probably means Germany will be criticized indefinitely.
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2024-16-06
>Do you have a time machine?
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>Do you have a time machine?
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2024-16-06
How about Germany admits they fucked up and build a new nuclear baseload? You don’t need a Time Machine for that.
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How about Germany admits they fucked up and build a new nuclear baseload? You don’t need a Time Machine for that.
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2024-16-06
Probably true, but most countries will be fine skipping nuclear and just relying on solar, wind, batteries, storage and a small amount of peaking plants.  Countries that have harsh winters and low opportunities for wind power, probably need some nuclear. The world needs nuclear doesn't mean it's the best option for every country to make deep cuts to emissions. Mainly since nuclear is a much more expensive option.
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Probably true, but most countries will be fine skipping nuclear and just relying on solar, wind, batteries, storage and a small amount of peaking plants.  Countries that have harsh winters and low opportunities for wind power, probably need some nuclear. The world needs nuclear doesn't mean it's the best option for every country to make deep cuts to emissions. Mainly since nuclear is a much more expensive option.
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2024-16-06
> build a new nuclear baseload? And why would you do that now?
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> build a new nuclear baseload? And why would you do that now?
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2024-16-06
There's a big exclusion zone, but it's not particularly radioactive in either case - 0.14uSv/hr in Chernobyl, compared to 0.1 uSv/hr normally. Taking a flight is 4 uSv/hr, for reference
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There's a big exclusion zone, but it's not particularly radioactive in either case - 0.14uSv/hr in Chernobyl, compared to 0.1 uSv/hr normally. Taking a flight is 4 uSv/hr, for reference
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2024-16-06
Modern nuclear is excellent and pairs well with renewable energy and storage. We just need to build well.
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Modern nuclear is excellent and pairs well with renewable energy and storage. We just need to build well.
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2024-17-06
To be clear, this is not an exchange of pithy comments. You abandoned your argument when you resorted to sarcasm.
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To be clear, this is not an exchange of pithy comments. You abandoned your argument when you resorted to sarcasm.
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2024-17-06
What makes you feel so strongly?
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What makes you feel so strongly?
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2024-17-06
There was a company building large catapults to launch capsules to space. Maybe we can use that to yeet large ass crystals off of earth.
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There was a company building large catapults to launch capsules to space. Maybe we can use that to yeet large ass crystals off of earth.
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2024-17-06
I hope that they find a sustainable process for it.
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I hope that they find a sustainable process for it.
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2024-17-06
You are aware that replacing coal is an continuous process happening with each new wind turbine and solar? Yes, the political theatre around the nuclear exit in the last two decades and strategic opposition hindered an earlier transformation. However, going with nuclear, *right now* we would have to tolerate 400g COe quite a while longer. Also I'm quite sure the 400g is not the right amount for 365 days time frame
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You are aware that replacing coal is an continuous process happening with each new wind turbine and solar? Yes, the political theatre around the nuclear exit in the last two decades and strategic opposition hindered an earlier transformation. However, going with nuclear, *right now* we would have to tolerate 400g COe quite a while longer. Also I'm quite sure the 400g is not the right amount for 365 days time frame
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2024-17-06
Drinking water that contains radiation puts you into risk of getting cancer even at low doses. Technical its impossible to completely remove radiation from water.
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Drinking water that contains radiation puts you into risk of getting cancer even at low doses. Technical its impossible to completely remove radiation from water.
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2024-17-06
I feel like we skipped a few steps in the tech tree and hit nuclear too early in the game
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I feel like we skipped a few steps in the tech tree and hit nuclear too early in the game
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2024-17-06
interesting, literally never heard
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interesting, literally never heard
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2024-17-06
A new nuclear powerplant is being built in Sweden which will provide about 20% of the energy capacity when finished. It will be the biggest in Europe. Just imagine what a couple of those can do for any country
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A new nuclear powerplant is being built in Sweden which will provide about 20% of the energy capacity when finished. It will be the biggest in Europe. Just imagine what a couple of those can do for any country
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2024-17-06
I think you are overestimating how many power plants are being built with a cavaliere attitude towards corner cutting. Like, nuclear engineers take that shit VERY seriously. Least of all because they are under excessive scrutiny.
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I think you are overestimating how many power plants are being built with a cavaliere attitude towards corner cutting. Like, nuclear engineers take that shit VERY seriously. Least of all because they are under excessive scrutiny.
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2024-17-06
It'll be a decade before you see long haul electric trucking for a lot of reasons. It'll be a gradual transition from city trucking to intercity to interstate. There's no telling what the engineered solution will end up being (hot swapping batteries, shorter ranges, autonomous cargo delivery, etc). Worrying about what the charging station will look like at this point isn't necessary because the logistic infrastructure hasn't been determined. 
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It'll be a decade before you see long haul electric trucking for a lot of reasons. It'll be a gradual transition from city trucking to intercity to interstate. There's no telling what the engineered solution will end up being (hot swapping batteries, shorter ranges, autonomous cargo delivery, etc). Worrying about what the charging station will look like at this point isn't necessary because the logistic infrastructure hasn't been determined. 
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2024-17-06
Depends. Probably the owners, but the main issue with nuclear power is that is very unfairly treated. Nuclear companies essentially actually pay the costs involved (with exceptions for Fukushima like events), whereas coal and oil are heavily subsidized by not having to follow similar regulations on ensuring that any harmful effects are neutralized.
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Depends. Probably the owners, but the main issue with nuclear power is that is very unfairly treated. Nuclear companies essentially actually pay the costs involved (with exceptions for Fukushima like events), whereas coal and oil are heavily subsidized by not having to follow similar regulations on ensuring that any harmful effects are neutralized.
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2024-17-06
We'll call it NP2, spend 3x as much as budgeted on it, then cancel it before the reactor is even in.
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We'll call it NP2, spend 3x as much as budgeted on it, then cancel it before the reactor is even in.
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2024-17-06
Nuclear engineers (and the specialized civil engineers) taking it seriously also means it is a bigger and longer lasting project with more time needed than an airport or major train station. Decide what your argument is. 
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Nuclear engineers (and the specialized civil engineers) taking it seriously also means it is a bigger and longer lasting project with more time needed than an airport or major train station. Decide what your argument is. 
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2024-17-06
Dont worry, I heard from a good source on the science reddit a few years back about SOLAR FREAKIN ROADWAYS!
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Dont worry, I heard from a good source on the science reddit a few years back about SOLAR FREAKIN ROADWAYS!
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2024-17-06
No. I’m pretty sure what my arguement is. I just think I’m up against someone grasping at straws.
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No. I’m pretty sure what my arguement is. I just think I’m up against someone grasping at straws.
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2024-17-06
What the fuck are you saying ? Nuclear release less CO2 per kWh than wind, by keeping nuclear you would have been lower than 400g Look at the stat in France, why would it be worse. And if you don't trust sources, what's the point believe what you want, I guess from your ansSr that you still believe cloud from nuclear are pure co2
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What the fuck are you saying ? Nuclear release less CO2 per kWh than wind, by keeping nuclear you would have been lower than 400g Look at the stat in France, why would it be worse. And if you don't trust sources, what's the point believe what you want, I guess from your ansSr that you still believe cloud from nuclear are pure co2
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2024-17-06
I've read that China has been building reactors in around 5 to 7 years. what do you think about that? Do you know if that includes planning time?
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I've read that China has been building reactors in around 5 to 7 years. what do you think about that? Do you know if that includes planning time?
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2024-17-06
quick question? if we have heaps of operational nuclear plants fulfilling the energy needs of a country? would the grid shut off if attacked and where would the fissile material go??
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quick question? if we have heaps of operational nuclear plants fulfilling the energy needs of a country? would the grid shut off if attacked and where would the fissile material go??
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2024-17-06
I’m not pulling a strawman. I personally 100% only wish to watch the world die so if can go be a mad max warlord. But you are the first to at least give me an answer on what countries you are cool dumping waste in. So for that I give you a gold star ⭐️✨
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I’m not pulling a strawman. I personally 100% only wish to watch the world die so if can go be a mad max warlord. But you are the first to at least give me an answer on what countries you are cool dumping waste in. So for that I give you a gold star ⭐️✨
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2024-17-06
Well you can't really do that in an equal way either, because renewables dont generate nearly as much energy as coal. Renewables at the moment just cant generate as much power as "conventional" means and wont make up a big enough share of the power supply pie to make a big enough impact.
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Well you can't really do that in an equal way either, because renewables dont generate nearly as much energy as coal. Renewables at the moment just cant generate as much power as "conventional" means and wont make up a big enough share of the power supply pie to make a big enough impact.
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2024-17-06
...and with nuclear it will be even slower .. because that money could be spent on building more per dollar of wind, solar and storage. If nuclear was cheap and fast to build out .. we would never have built coal plants in the first place.
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...and with nuclear it will be even slower .. because that money could be spent on building more per dollar of wind, solar and storage. If nuclear was cheap and fast to build out .. we would never have built coal plants in the first place.
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2024-17-06
it would take an average of 200w to power a car for the average UK driver, which comes out to 14,000 mw. Depending on the size of the plants, 6 seems fairly accurate. The nuke by me puts out 2,250 mw. Edit, this is assuming 1 car per person which I realize might be a bit much for the UK.
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it would take an average of 200w to power a car for the average UK driver, which comes out to 14,000 mw. Depending on the size of the plants, 6 seems fairly accurate. The nuke by me puts out 2,250 mw. Edit, this is assuming 1 car per person which I realize might be a bit much for the UK.
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2024-17-06
Which is a cost, which also has a limited life span, so you need massive over capacity (as wind/solar is about 40% efficient based on capacity) AND the storage, which if chemical needs to be replaced after 20 or so years, same with solar panels and wind turbines. Nuclear is great for baseload.
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Which is a cost, which also has a limited life span, so you need massive over capacity (as wind/solar is about 40% efficient based on capacity) AND the storage, which if chemical needs to be replaced after 20 or so years, same with solar panels and wind turbines. Nuclear is great for baseload.
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2024-17-06
So do you honestly believe that all the researchers don't know this?
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So do you honestly believe that all the researchers don't know this?
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2024-17-06
Know and accept are not the same thing, there is a "moral" pressure against nuclear power, Germany, shut down perfectly fine reactors due to political pressure, not actual safety, I got banned from r/energy for being pro-nuclear, not breaking any rules, just because I had the wrong opinion. It's not about facts it's about feelings.
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Know and accept are not the same thing, there is a "moral" pressure against nuclear power, Germany, shut down perfectly fine reactors due to political pressure, not actual safety, I got banned from r/energy for being pro-nuclear, not breaking any rules, just because I had the wrong opinion. It's not about facts it's about feelings.
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2024-17-06
That’s just false. The same amount of money spent on renewables for that 8 years will get you vastly more GWh of power , be available sooner, and thus save us more carbon. If it costs twice as much, you get half as much of it.
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That’s just false. The same amount of money spent on renewables for that 8 years will get you vastly more GWh of power , be available sooner, and thus save us more carbon. If it costs twice as much, you get half as much of it.
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2024-18-06
China is decarbonizing faster than almost anyone. They added more solar last year than the us has built in total, ever.
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China is decarbonizing faster than almost anyone. They added more solar last year than the us has built in total, ever.
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2024-18-06
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There's also the Taliban!
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There's also the Taliban!
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2024-16-06
In order to back something it has to be factual reality, this is just a belief i will say this here ukraine will never join nato and there will be compromises on both sides to end this war personnally it will end on russian terms for the most part i mean nobody gonna force russia to surrender ukraine can't and never will
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In order to back something it has to be factual reality, this is just a belief i will say this here ukraine will never join nato and there will be compromises on both sides to end this war personnally it will end on russian terms for the most part i mean nobody gonna force russia to surrender ukraine can't and never will
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2024-17-06
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2024-16-06
Orange Jr basically admitted to it out loud https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-jr-said-money-pouring-in-from-russia-2018-2
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Orange Jr basically admitted to it out loud https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-jr-said-money-pouring-in-from-russia-2018-2
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