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Exactly. And these things are happening so frequently to innocent families. I’m supportive of Israel, but the West Bank settlers are not defensible and not a part of what I support. The fact that the Israeli government supports them is reprehensible.
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2024-10-08
Do you say the same thing both when jpost says things that criticise israel and when it says things in favor of israel?
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2024-10-08
I don’t think that’s what most people mean by Zionism. I think most people understand Zionism to mean support for Israel as a Jewish state, and anti-Zionism to being opposed to Israel’s existence as a Jewish state.
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2024-10-08
Actual vile behavior.
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2024-10-08
Yeah, that'd be a better definition
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2024-10-08
But there are branches of Hamas in the West Bank too. Yes, their main area is Gaza. But when they attacked innocent people in land internationally recognized (including by the PA) as Israeli, they forfeited the claim to be resistance. They’re just terrorists. Unfortunately Israelis are now never going to accept a two state solution after October 7thz
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2024-10-08
What do most people think of Fatah? Decent people or horribly corrupt?
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2024-10-08
As is anyone who understands how terrible these practices are.
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2024-10-08
That's definitely not how I understand it. Antizionism is the opposition to a Jewish state *at the exclusion of other ethnicities*, specifically ones that have lived there for hundreds or thousands of years.
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2024-10-08
The settlers are protected by the IDF. No one can go after them while the IDF is functioning.
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2024-10-08
Which part am I getting wrong? >Although anti-Zionism is a heterogeneous phenomenon, all its proponents agree that the creation of the modern State of Israel, and the movement to create a sovereign Jewish state in the region of Palestine—a region partly coinciding with the biblical Land of Israel—was flawed or unjust in some way. [Wiki](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Zionism)
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2024-10-08
Nah
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2024-10-08
All of the "settlers" are religious extremists tho. They are occupiers that use violence and the Israel military to suppress people in Westbank. Not one of them should be considered peaceful.
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2024-10-08
Listen, this isn't just some minor incident we're talking about here. This is a family - with a toddler, for crying out loud - being terrorized for making a wrong turn. It's beyond messed up. These so-called "settlers" aren't settling anything except fear and hatred. They're armed militants, plain and simple. Pointing guns at a 3-year-old? That's not activism, that's straight-up terrorism. And let's be real, this isn't an isolated incident. Palestinian families live with this fear every single day. The IDF's response is a joke. Showing up late and then treating the victims like suspects? It's clear whose side they're on, and it ain't the innocent civilians'. This whole system is rigged against Palestinians, from the checkpoints to the land grabs to these violent attacks. And don't get me started on that weak-ass police statement. "Takes very seriously"? How about actually doing something about it? But we all know nothing will change. These militants will keep terrorizing Palestinians, the IDF will keep looking the other way, and innocent families will keep living in fear. It's a cycle of injustice that's been going on for far too long, and it's high time people woke up to the reality of what's happening here.
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2024-10-08
No.. No, you’re thinking of the people’s front of Judea. And he means the Judeans people’s front.
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2024-10-08
Maybe Iran should bomb all the illegal settlements, would do a favor to the world.
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2024-10-08
John Oliver talked about it 2 weeks ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqK3_n6pdDY
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2024-10-08
Those actions are just making more terrorists
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2024-10-08
17,000 rocket attacks since 2005 (about an average of 3 rocket attacks per day) will cause people to become unreasonably violent towards the other people launching said rockets.
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2024-10-08
Yes, but what he always thought was best for Israel was the Ethnic Cleansing of Palestinians.
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2024-10-08
Werewolf ≠ human.
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2024-10-08
I’m all pro-Israel in their right to live happily in their own country. But this shit is unacceptable under any circumstances.  This shit is what you would expect from Hamas terrorists and the likes, but Israelis are damaging their cause with this.
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2024-10-08
It already has, the settlers are terrorists
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2024-10-08
Many of the settlers are terrorists themselves or complicit in terrorism. 
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2024-10-08
It’s like watching the Bozeman trail war replay itself in real time.
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2024-10-08
I disagree. You shouldn't dehumanize other people, but neither should you ignore when they dehumanize themselves through inhuman acts.
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2024-10-08
They did point their guns at Israelis..
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2024-10-08
His corruption reads differently.  I think it is against all available evidence to believe that Netanyahu has ever cared about anything other than Netanyahu's own power.
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2024-10-08
I have no idea what anyone is talking about. By settlers, do you mean "people that live in illegal outposts"? As opposed to the general case of "settlers" (people in the west bank), which is \~500k, or even more general that might include some people in east jerusalem and golan heights (\~700k+ - getting toward 10% of the country)
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2024-10-08
This is always the story. It’s the story in the conflict, and the story everywhere. Religious extremists do horrifying things.
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2024-10-08
For the same reason the right used to win in America. They have more parties, but it’s the conservative parties in Israel that promise to keep Israelis safe - and then it’s the Israeli conservatives that keep protecting these settler assholes. People talk about the ramifications of lived experiences. Well the second intifada happened - and Israelis had to fear even going to get Pizza. OF COURSE the party that campaigns on keeping them safe are going to get a chunk of the votes.
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2024-10-08
It already ends in death, all too often.
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2024-10-08
I think this is a just case of the public not caring enough for this to be a dealbreaker issue for them in elections, with a good helping of learned helplessness, while the state apparatus cares deeply about the interests of said state, and will do whatever it can, however horrible, to improve the state's strategic position. As long as it does not affect the people's indifference to the point it threatens their plans. So while the public may not necessarily support the settlements, the balance is still in the settlements' favor. Something similarish is happening with the war in Gaza, according to a number of accounts I've heard from Israelis. It's all anecdotal, of course, but the common theme between them is that most people there seem to support the war in principle, but understand that the civilian death toll is no good at all as well as unnecessary, and also understand that all this is slowly weakening and destroying Israel itself. And the summation of these conflicting points is basically a sort of fatalistic indifference - "oh well, what can we do, it is what it is." Because there is no clear-cut solution being presented to them that they can get behind. This whole thing, *in summation*, is very gray and difficult to process, even if some of the particulars (like the settlers, or the civilian deaths) are fairly black and white. So the argument is that somebody needs to forcefully present a workable, clear-cut, and mostly positive solution to the Israeli public, or else they will continue to be stuck in this fugue of indecision/indifference, and little will change. However, no one who is in a position to do so (the US and/or Israeli opposition leadership) is stepping up to the plate, and this lack of leadership is allowing the current extremist government to do what it likes with little check. It's a perfect storm of a weak and feeble US administration that is scared to death of doing anything that could conceivably be construed as anti-Israel, an Israeli government that has gone off the deep end, and seemingly no other strong or charismatic enough leadership in Israel that is willing to stick their neck out and say "this isn't working, here's another plan, so-fucking-what if it doesn't revolve trying to bomb every last atom of Hamas off the face of the earth at any cost, get over it." But of course, after what Hamas did, it's quite unpalatable to say 'just get over it', and all too easy to make an emotional appeal against any plan that appears to give them even a trace of quarter. So here we are, stuck in a forever war until the downsides become too overwhelming to bear or somebody grows a pair.
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2024-10-08
Most people believe it in this conflict, the thing is, each side believes it in a different way. Palestinians believe all of Israel is rightfully theirs, even to this day, despite not having the region for nearly a century now. And Israelis believe they have a right to live there because historically it is where they came from before Palestinians were there and many other groups who conquered the lands. Objectively, Israelis have the most claim given the historical significance. And they did try to coexist with Muslims/Palestinians. But it just wasn't going to happen, too different of cultures back then, and still today unfortunately. People will debate who started attacking first, but it's undeniable the Jews were surrounded by countries that were trying to eliminate them entirely, some still left to this day like Iran and of course Palestine. While Israelis primarily just wanted to live and not be attacked over and over, but they fought back, and won each time, which only further angered the attackers, creating a never-ending feud. If you held a vote today, where if agreed to, border lines would be drawn by the last proposal, war stopped, all Israeli troops out, Palestinians kept from attacking Israel, and Israel prevented from further encroachment into Palestine; The vast majority of Israelis would agree to it in a heartbeat and be glad to hopefully live in peace and move forward. But polling shows most Palestinians would not agree to that, even though it would mean peace and the ability to move forward and grow. Because it's still taught to them from birth that Israel is rightfully theirs and there's no greater honor than to die a martyr for the cause of "retaking their homeland". It's a really shitty situation with no simple or ideal solutions.
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2024-10-08
This will probably end up being this child's first memory because his family will always talk about it to him.
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All the elements of other “religious” terror groups are there: isolation in rigidly controlled communities, indoctrination to be deeply suspicious of and hostile to “outsiders,” narrowly focused on taking land/power and ruling with an iron fist, and training/rewarding the most violent to lead and influence others.  Empathy is weakness, imagined or historical victimhood justifies any tactic, and if they arrive from another country, contempt for native residents and their culture is encouraged.
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2024-10-08
Very funny for you to casually admit that you don't see Arab-Israelis as real Israeli citizens
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2024-10-08
A whole new group of Hamas was born that day! Good job. Israel can ignore this all they want. 10/7 can be yearly for all I care. Karma is as karma does.
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> who were there for about 800 years That's really not entirely accurate. Most of the Palestinian population aren't the descendants of the Muslims who took over then. Most are descendants of the people who were already there. Many of whom were of Jewish descent, many of whom converted to Islam. Others were of Samaritan descent, who were there at the same time as Jews. > evicted the majority Arab population. In defiance of the UN order to create the countries of Israel and Palestine, many Jews were responsible for Palestine not forming as a country in 1948 when Israel was formed. The Palestinian civil war was Jewish people vs the Muslim people in Palestine in an attempt to recreate ancient Israel. They didn't work, which lead to the conflict we currently have. > 6 Day War (which Israel won) And started.
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Specifically, when is that? I'm thinking you're talking about the 6-day war, which was started by Israel.
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Exactly, you could replace 'Israelis' with 'Palestinians' and all of this would remain broadly true. Everyone wants to be on the side of the 'good guy' and so try to justify the killing of each others' innocent civilians by painting them as culpable in this way and that. When in reality there are no real good guys here, at least at the higher levels of power.
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> I agree, but it is still a significant difference, morally speaking, from actively supporting the settlements. Even though the practical outcome is the same. Therefore I think it is worth the distinction. "I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will."
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I grew up in a fundamentalist town in Texas that contained, like, four legit cults. Plus, a halfway house that funneled people into these cults. Their “fundamentals” were INSANE. I got in a load of trouble for just talking shit to preachers as a kid and became a social pariah for some time. Still fucks with me to this day. But even as a kid, I knew there was no fucking way to live up to these wild-ass standards the fundamentalists push. Fundamentalism in any religion is a scourge.
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In a democracy the government literally represents the country though for the duration of that government. Like I get what you’re saying about people not liking them.  Elections during a war may be a bad idea but having a government that knows continuation of war guarantees continuation of their rule is a worse idea.  It also looks like waiting it out is working for Netenyahu too. Failure after failure to actually achieve the supposed aims of the war and his popularity has increased. 
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2024-11-08
Do you live in Israel?
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>A total of 1,152 Palestinians, including 575 children, were displaced when the Israeli authorities demolished or forced them to demolish their homes citing lack of Israeli-issued building permits. 173 Palestinians, including 70 children, were displaced when the Israeli authorities demolished their homes on punitive grounds. 921 Palestinians, including 394 children, were displaced during Israeli forces operations, where 222 structures were destroyed. At least 1,539 Palestinians, including 756 children, were displaced from their homes or communities in Area C of the West Bank amid Israeli settler violence, access restrictions, and shrinking access to grazing land. 200 Palestinians, including 82 children, were displaced from H2 area and Masafer Yatta in Hebron, citing increased movement restrictions imposed on their communities by Israeli forces as the primary reason. None of those have anything to so with building settlements on their private land.
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2024-11-08
That comes later. Whose land are the current settlements in the West Bank built on? Crazy how you ignored the 1500+ that were forced to leave because of settlers
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Yeah, sure. If they work in Russia. What if a Russian moves to Norway and works as a fisher on a Norwegian ship? Fishermen make a fuckton of money and can quickly get into a position where they can finance a property. Without getting a Norwegian citizenship, should they still be banned from buying property in Norway? I do agree that we need more scrutiny with international real estate purchases. But a blanket ban on foreign purchases is going to leave a lot of innocent victims in the middle of this.
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2024-10-08
> Most Russians are just ordinary people despite their shitty government. That's a pretty meaningless statement. Only 20% of Russians even have a passport so they can travel abroad.
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2024-10-08
Back in the day I sent in "Oligareena" as my entry to the naming competition, but sadly Hjallis Hjareena didn't carry a name of my choosing. It used to be the home of the **Джокеры** hockey team.
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2024-10-08
I don’t think America or Britain have threatened to invade Finland or are you really just that fucking stupid. 
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2024-10-08
More like “Karl-talks-shit-alot
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2024-10-08
smart, norway needs to do the same
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2024-10-08
I hope no one will have any questions about the reason why Russians will then refuse EU citizens to own any property on the territory of Russia. Putin will leave (and soon), the resentment of Russians will remain. PS Sometimes it seems to me that some governments receive instructions from the Kremlin - how to make it easier to manipulate offended peoples.
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2024-10-08
There decades? Europe should have opened its eyes after 2014 for sure, but intertwining with Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union was 100% the right move.
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2024-10-08
Power is always in the hands of the people, if they are tired of Putin they have the power to end him today.
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2024-10-08
This isn’t the con you think it is
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2024-10-08
Tankies level of stupidity never ceases to amaze me
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2024-10-08
Its a war. Unfair but Russia has to be stopped. Dont care how they do it, but they arent dealing with so the world is going to deal with them.
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2024-10-08
Regarding that: In 1944 Supreme Court ruled that detention of Japanese without American citizenship (of whom there was 47,000 in the USA) is legal and constitutional. But detention of Japanese with American citizenship is illegal. And that decision started their release.
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2024-10-08
Collective helplessness ends when the average person realizes they are stronger than their government. They have the one of the largest populations on the planets, if the people wanted change they could easily do so. The idea that they can't and it's hopeless is the only thing holding them back.
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2024-10-08
That outrageous story was intended as an insult and it's still paying dividends.
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2024-10-08
Well, I understand that Russians wouldn't know... but you can ask Ukrainians [what to do](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity)!
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2024-10-08
They always do 😌
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2024-10-08
Thats what the earöier comment said yup
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2024-11-08
Ah, I missed that somehow.
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2024-11-08
Nuremberg Tribunal also pronounced personal responsibility for such crime. It didn't blame whole German nation for Nazi crimes, only Nazi party and Nazi leadership specifically according to their involvement. Finland on the other side proposes total ban for Russian nationals.
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I know. I am talking about the bombing itself. It has been filmed and you can see several stikes and soldiers running around.
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2024-10-08
That’s not ideal, especially when the enemy plans to push deeper into your rear.
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2024-10-08
Wait, so 1000 Ukrainians invaded Russia and ARE TAKING PRISONERS!! Wow, is Russia screwed. Imagine if they actually get another 1000 Ukrainians there. They'll be able to occupy the entire country. /s
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2024-10-08
This is why no one in the world can get anything done. Someone starts an argument over whether the color of the wallpaper is 'robin's egg blue' or 'baby blue.'
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2024-10-08
Let's hope Ukraine gets its kidnapped children back.
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2024-10-08
The pen is blue.
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2024-10-08
Rooting hard for Ukraine but have to confess I'm worried about the strategy here. Seems rather unlikely that Ukraine can hold this territory
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2024-10-08
This has been a very exciting few days
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2024-10-08
Cyan. Cyan is not blue
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2024-11-08
Whether they killed everyone or not is irrelevant to the fact that the Russian response was turned away.
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2024-11-08
Everything about the Russian tactics seems so antiquated.
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2024-11-08
Agreed. However being accurate and truthful on reddit is not appreciated. You guys can stay in your overly optimistic dellusional world.
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Their tactics and strategy are very weird by Western standards, though part of that is their emphasis on fighting at a very high level. There's a lot of abstraction in their strategies, to the point they have an almost literal calculus of war where they plug in numbers of troops and vehicles and aircraft and artillery into an equation and get percentage chances that they might win against a certain number of enemy troops and vehicles and so on. One of the reasons why they so often send what looks like suicidal attacks is to gather data that their officers then feed into equations to calculate where Ukrainian strengths and weaknesses are located. That really sucks for the troops on the ground but the Russian officers don't care. Meanwhile, Western warfighting is often more of a case of the commanding officers trying to figure out what their troops are doing, since the men on the sharp end are so often engaging and maneuvering on their own initiative within pre-set rules of engagement. i.e. "don't move past this point on the map but do whatever you have to in order to achieve the objective within that area, and avoid blowing up that specific building."
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As is Russian tradition 😀
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Pure fantasy this was heavily planned their tactics are actually insane they bring up anti ew to take out russia recon drones and the like then they bombarding that position with fpv drones and some artillery they take the position with men  and move electric warfare foward and rinse and repeat russia had no counter and their border troops are trash anyway 
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2024-10-08
In terms of actions it is irrelevant whether they call them terrorists, it is all about spin.
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2024-10-08
Of course spin is a big part of it, and of course the Ukrainians aren't terrorists. Quite the contrary, they've been pretty good at only hitting militarily relevant targets. Just saying that in this scenario it would make sense for the Russians to activate any pre-planned anti terror measures they might have, since the threat of Ukrainian saboteur groups would best be countered by the same sorts of Draconian control efforts as what they would use if there were suspected terrorists at large. Thus, it just happens that the propaganda spin aligns with what sort of defensive measures they are likely to take.
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2024-10-08
It certainly seems like Ukraine has the upper hand with the EW and it has changed the game. I thought I saw someone say that they were using new frequencies that hadn’t been used before? I don’t know how all that works, but it sounds like they can knock out all Russian electronics but keep theirs active.
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2024-10-08
In Russia, invasion invades you.
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2024-10-08
Yeah, but everyone dies then. This is not a win.
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2024-10-08
God I hope they take that nuke energy plant and disable that mofo. Common Ukraine!!!!
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2024-11-08
Yes, but I mean would they risk their own survival for Ukraine.. giving weapons is a nice gesture and keeps the military complex running, but we are talking about weapons of mass destruction here. They'd have to basically die for Ukraine. Nuclear waste and radiation could be the problem though.. Kiev is closer to the Europe and likely the first city to get nuked.
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2024-11-08
All in all, it's just a nut in a brick wall - Nirvana And after all, you're my nut brick wall - Oasis
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Because it'd be a *gigantic* and previously unseen escalation, and a threat towards NATO members in the area? Plus, people with far more insight than you or me have made that exact comment and analysis: > The US and its allies would destroy Russia’s troops and equipment in Ukraine – as well as sink its Black Sea fleet – if the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, uses nuclear weapons in the country, former CIA director and retired four-star army general David Petraeus warned on Sunday. > Petraeus said that he had not spoken to national security adviser Jake Sullivan on the likely US response to nuclear escalation from Russia, which administration officials have said has been repeatedly communicated to Moscow. > He told ABC News: “Just to give you a hypothetical, we would respond by leading a Nato – a collective – effort that would take out every Russian conventional force that we can see and identify on the battlefield in Ukraine and also in Crimea and every ship in the Black Sea.” --- > Petraeus acknowledged that the likelihood that radiation would extend to Nato countries under the Article 5 umbrella could perhaps be construed as an attack on a Nato member. > “Perhaps you can make that case,” he said. “The other case is that this is so horrific that there has to be a response – it cannot go unanswered.” > Yet, Petraeus added, “You don’t want to, again, get into a nuclear escalation here. But you have to show that this cannot be accepted in any way.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/02/us-russia-putin-ukraine-war-david-petraeus
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I haven't seen that many death reports, but I think I just wasn't looking hard enough.
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I don’t think you’ve been looking anywhere
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