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"content": "Yep.",
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"content": "It may not be then quite smarter than all humans, well, machine-augmented humans, because people have got computers and stuff. There’s a higher bar, but you say it’s more than any … can write as good a novel as, say, JK Rowling, or discover new physics, or invent new technology, I would say that we’re less than three years from that point.",
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"content": "Let me ask you a question about XAI and what you’re doing because there’s an interesting thing that’s different, I think, about what you have relative to some of the others, which is you have data, you have information, you have all of the stuff that everybody in here has put on the platform to sort through, and I don’t know if everybody realized that initially. What is the value of that?",
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"content": "Yeah. Data is very important. You could say data is probably more valuable than gold.",
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"content": "Well, the simulation is created for the purpose of figuring out if it can be done, and you’re just a cog in the machine of the simulation.",
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"content": "Yeah, it might be. I have a feeling that at least I think-",
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"content": "It’s doable.",
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"content": "It’s doable. Yes.",
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| 701 |
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"content": "That’s it. Mom won’t bang the sons. They’re good women. Good women in the bonobo community. Everybody else is just banging it out.",
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"content": "Yeah. I haven’t seen the bonobo movie.",
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"content": "Well, they’re disturbing just at a zoo. You know, you have bonobos at the zoo.",
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"content": "They’re just constantly going…",
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| 702 |
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"content": "There are towns where the mayor’s the dog, right? They elect a dog because all the people suck and it’s the same thing.",
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"content": "Yeah.",
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"content": "Dog’s always cool.",
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"content": "Yeah, he’s got great instincts.",
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| 703 |
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"content": "Yeah. It’s forever like a tattoo.",
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"content": "Like high school, „We’ll put this on your permanent record.“",
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"content": "Yeah. It’s like a tattoo. You keep it.\nWell, it’s this thing where there’s a lack of compassion. It’s a lack of compassion issue. People are just intentionally shitty to each other all the time online and trying to catch me. They’re more trying to catch people doing something that’s arrestable, like a cop trying to, like, get, you know, arrests on his record. It’s like they’re trying to catch you for something, more than they’re logically looking at it thinking it’s a bad thing that you’ve done, or that it’s an idea they don’t agree with so much, they needed to insult you. They’re trying to catch you.",
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"content": "Yeah, I mean, it’s way easier to be mean on social media than it is to be mean in person.",
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"content": "Did you ever live in it?",
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"content": "It’s very quirky. I did live in it briefly, yeah.",
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"content": "But why do you buy houses? If you own all these houses, do you just get bored and go ‘I think I’d like to have that’?",
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"content": "Well, I had one house, and the Gene Wilder house is right across the road from me from my main house. It was going to get sold and then torn down and turned into, you know, be a big construction zone for three years. I was like, whoa, I think I’ll buy it and preserve the spirit of Gene Wilder and not have a giant construction zone.\nThen I started having some privacy issues where people would just come to my house and start climbing over the walls and stuff. Then I bought some of the houses around my house, and then I thought at one point, you know, it’d be cool to build a house. I acquired some properties at the top of Somera Road, which has got a great view, and I was like, okay, well there’s a bunch of sort of small older houses, they’re going to get torn down, anyway. I was like, well, if I collect these little houses, then I can build something, I don’t know, artistic, like a dream house type of thing.",
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"content": "Other people, it gets much worse.",
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"content": "Sure. Well, yeah. I mean, this certainly has taken over the mind space of the world to a degree that is quite shocking.",
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"content": "Yeah. Well, out of nowhere. That’s what’s crazy. It’s like you go back to November, nothing. Now here we are, December, January, February, March, April, May, six months. Totally different world. So from nothing to, everything’s locked down. There’s so much conflicting information and conflicting opinions about how to proceed. What has happened? You find things where there was a meatpacking plant, I believe in Missouri where 300 plus people were asymptomatic, tested positive asymptomatic.\nThen in other places, it just ravages entire communities and kills people, and it’s so weird. It almost appears, if you didn’t know any better, you’d be like, what? It seems like there’s a bunch of different viruses. It doesn’t seem like it’s the same thing or has a bunch of different reactions to the biological variety of people.",
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"content": "Yeah, I mean, I kind of saw this whole thing play out in China before it played out in the US. So it’s kind of like watching the same movie again but in English. I think the mortality rate is much less than what the World Health Organization said it was. It’s much, much less. It’s like probably at least an order of magnitude less.",
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| 706 |
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"content": "Yes.",
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"content": "It’s like, drop that crack needle.",
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"content": "You have that problem at your house, too. The crack is addictive.",
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"content": "To the degree that you can make somehow learning like a game, then it’s better. And I think, unfortunately, a lot of education is very vaudevillian. You’ve got someone standing up there kind of lecturing at people. And they’ve done the same lecture 20 years in a row, and they’re not very excited about it. And that lack of enthusiasm is conveyed to the students. They’re not very excited about it. They don’t know why they’re there. Like why are we learning this stuff? We don’t even know why. In fact, I think a lot of things that people learn – that probably there’s no point in learning them. Because they never use them in the future.",
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"content": "I think it would be very hard, but I just wonder, given the sort of strong, philosophical approach that you’ve been vocal about, whether you say to yourself, maybe I shouldn’t be doing business in that country?",
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"content": "Well, first of all, Starlink and SpaceX do no business in China whatsoever. Tesla has one of four factories, four vehicle factories in China. And China is, I don’t know, a quarter of our market or something like that. So it’s a quarter of the market of one company. The same is true, by the way, of all the other car companies. They also have something on that order of a quarter of their sales in China. So if that’s a problem for Tesla, it’s a problem for every car company. I think one has to be careful about not conflating the various companies. Because I can only do things that are within the bounds of the law, I cannot do beyond that. My aspiration is to do as much good as possible and to be as productive as possible within the bounds of what is legal. More than that, I cannot do.",
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"content": "I want to pivot and talk about AI for a moment. We had Jensen Huang here, who’s a big fan of yours, as you know.",
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"content": "Yeah. Jensen’s awesome.",
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"content": "So, we’re not quite there yet. This is real? When I touch that wood?",
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"content": "It feels very real.",
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"content": "Maybe that’s why everybody is like into like Mason jars and shit. Suede shoes. People are going to, like, craft restaurants, and they want raw wood. Everyone wants to see metal. It seems, people are like longing towards some weird log cabin type nostalgia.",
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"content": "Sure, reality.",
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| 709 |
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"content": "There’s a song like that too.",
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"content": "I will survive.",
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"content": "Were you petrified at first? Okay. I forget the rest of the lyrics. But you don’t struggle with this? I mean, I know you survive, but there’s ways-",
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"content": "Petrify is a spell in the druid tree.",
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"content": "All right, Elon. They’re running the clock down on me. So I want to ask you one last question. And we’ll try to go to at least one or two audience questions. I wanted to ask you a little bit about humor. You’re a pretty funny guy. You show it on Twitter a lot. You’ve hosted SNL. And I’m wondering how that plays into your management style. I mean, would your co-workers say you’re funny? Is this something you’re sort of bringing to the office now? Has it helped with managing your teams?",
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"content": "I mean, I think I’m funny. I find my jokes funny.\n(laughs)\nI don’t know. I guess, yeah… I do crack a lot of jokes. They don’t all land. But I am aspirationally funny. I mean, we try to have a good sense of humor at the office, too.",
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"content": "Elon, I also wanted to ask… lately on Twitter, and you’ve been poking fun at people for their age quite a bit. And I wanted to have a sense of, do you not plan to age? And what is your… how are you combating aging? Is there some secret technology we don’t know about that you’ve got?",
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"content": "I am not aware of any secret technologies to combat aging. And, I mean, I don’t know if we should really try to live for a super long time. I think it is important for us to die. Because, you know, most of the times people don’t change their mind, they just die. And so, if we live forever, then we might become a very ossified society where new ideas cannot succeed. But I’m not poking fun at age. I’m just saying, you know, if we’ve got people in very important positions that have to make decisions that are critical to the security of the country, then they need to have sufficient presence of mind and cognitive ability to make those decisions well, because the whole country’s depending on them.",
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"content": "It would be so sad in terms of just the finite lifespan of the Earth itself and the solar system itself. But even though it’s possibly — You know, I mean, how long do they feel like the sun and the solar system is going to exist? How many hundreds of millions of years?",
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"content": "Well, it’s probably, if you’re saying when does the sun boil the oceans-",
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"content": "Right.",
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"content": "About 500 million years.",
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| 712 |
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"content": "I believe it’s true too. So, thank you.",
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"content": "You’re welcome.",
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"content": "All you assholes out there, be nice. Be nice, bitch. All right. Thank you, everybody. Thank you, Elon.",
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"content": "All right, thank you.",
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"content": "In the short term.",
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"content": "In the short term. But even for AI, you really have a growing demand for electricity, for electric vehicles, and a growing demand for electricity to run the computers for AI. And so this is obviously, can lead to electricity shortage.",
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"content": "How difficult is the problem of, in this particular case, maximizing the useful productivity per watt for training and that’s, this seems to be really where the big problem we’re facing that needs to be solved, is how to use the power efficiently. What you’ve learned so far about applying this physics first principle of reasoning in this domain, how difficult is this problem?",
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"content": "It will get solved. It’s the question of how long it takes to solve it. So at various points, there’s some kind of limiting factor to progress and with regard to AI, I’m saying right now the limiting factor is silicon chips and that will, we’re going to then have more chips than we can actually plug in and turn on probably in about a year. The initial constraint being literally voltage step down transformers because you’ve got power coming in at 300,000 volts and it’s got to step all the way down eventually to around 0.7 volts. So it’s a very big amount of, the voltage step down is gigantic and the industry is not used to rapid growth.",
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"content": "Yeah, it is. It sounds corny because we’re all scared. You know, we’re all scared of trying to love people, being rejected, or someone taking advantage of you because you’re trying to be loving. What if we all could just relax and love each other?",
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"content": "It wouldn’t hurt to have more love in the world.",
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"content": "It definitely wouldn’t hurt.",
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"content": "Yeah, we should do that.",
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"content": "I mean, this is cool. So you’re rolling this out in a couple week’s time, I think, with four different roofing types.",
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"content": "Yeah, we’re starting off with two, two initially, and the second two will be introduced early next year.",
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"content": "And what’s the scale of ambition here? How many houses do you believe could end up having this type of roofing?",
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"content": "I think eventually almost all houses will have a solar roof. The thing is to consider the time scale here to be probably on the order of 40 or 50 years. So, on average, a roof is replaced every 20 to 25 years. But you don’t start replacing all roofs immediately. But eventually, if you say were to fast-forward to say 15 years from now, it will be unusual to have a roof that does not have solar.",
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"content": "Thanks for doing this because I know you don’t do a lot of long-form stuff like this. I hope I didn’t weird you out, and I hope you don’t get mad that you smoked weed.It’s not bad. It’s legal. We’re in California. This is just as legal as this whiskey we’ve been drinking.",
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"content": "Exactly.",
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"content": "This is all good, right?",
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"content": "Cheers.",
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| 717 |
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"content": "But even five minutes every couple hours, if those are bad five minutes, they might be bouncing around your head for the next 30.",
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"content": "Yeah, you have to, like I said, take a certain amount of distance from… You read this and be like, “Okay, it’s bullets being fired by an opposing army.” Like I said, it’s not like they know you. Don’t take it personally.",
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"content": "Did you feel the same way when CNN had that stupid shit about ventilators with you? I found that both confusing and-",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Yeah. That was annoying.",
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| 718 |
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"content": "… actually original.",
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"content": "The AI fashion is incredible. So can we just print that somehow or make it, because it’s amazing.",
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"content": "Maybe you should patent the idea, just have an AI fashion generator thing that prints them out and I think there’s craft or something, the clothing manufacturer thing that you can sort of do it at home. Patent that. You can make so much money.",
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"content": "Well, I don’t really believe in patents actually because-",
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"content": "The whole journey was incredible to me to watch. Part of it is I was at MIT, and I knew the difficulty of computer vision, and I had a lot of colleagues and friends about the DARPA challenge and knew how difficult it is. And so there was a natural skepticism when I first drove a Tesla with the initial system based on Mobileye. Yeah, I thought there’s no way. The first time I got in, I thought there’s no way this car could stay in the lane and create a comfortable experience. So my intuition initially was that the lane keeping problem is way too difficult to solve.",
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"content": "Oh, thank you. Yeah, that’s relatively easy.",
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"content": "But solve in the way that we just – we talked about previous prototype – versus a thing that actually creates a pleasant experience over hundreds of 1000s of miles or millions. I was proven wrong…",
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"content": "We had to wrap a lot of code around the Mobileye thing; it didn’t just work by itself.",
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"content": "Start listening. Start speaking.",
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"content": "Yeah.",
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"content": "Here we go. I think I’m in.",
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"content": "Okay. I don’t see you listed as a speaker.",
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"content": "I mean, over time.",
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"content": "It wouldn’t be easy but yes. You could warm it up.",
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"content": "Yeah, you can warm it up. You could add air. You get some water there. I mean, over time, hundreds of millions of years or whatever it takes.",
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"content": "We’ll be a multi-planet species.",
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"content": "But, also, what we will be. This will be so much different. Our concerns about money, about status, about all these things, will seemingly go by the wayside if we really become enlightened, if we really become artificially enlightened by some sort of an AI interface where we have this symbiotic relationship with some new internet type connection to information. But, you know, what happens then? What is important? What is not important? Is privacy important when we’re all gods?",
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"content": "I think the things that we think are important to keep private right now we probably will not think are important to keep…",
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"content": "Shame, right? Information, right? What do you hide? Emotions? What are we hiding?",
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"content": "I don’t know. Maybe it’s like embarrassing stuff.",
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"content": "You have 1,300 satellites up right now. Is that correct?",
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"content": "1,500.",
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"content": "And you want to put 30,000?",
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"content": "Yeah.",
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"content": "And this was when you were going to go into grad school? You had a brief stint at Stanford?",
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"content": "That’s right.",
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"content": "For a Ph.D. in applied physics?",
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"content": "Applied physics, material science.",
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"content": "Right. You have to pump it out, and you probably have a limited amount of air in the first place. Like how much can you breathe? Do you have to pump oxygen into these cubicles, these tubes?",
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"content": "No. We have a pressurized pod. It’d be like a little tiny underground spaceship, basically.",
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"content": "Like an airplane because you have air on airplanes. It’s not getting new air in.",
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"content": "It is.",
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"content": "But isn’t it true that pretty much every auto manufacturer has announced serious electrification plans for the short- to medium-term future?",
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"content": "Yeah. Yeah. I think almost every automaker has some electric vehicle program. They vary in seriousness. Some are very serious about transitioning entirely to electric, and some are just dabbling in it. And some, amazingly, are still pursuing fuel cells, but I think that won’t last much longer.\nChris Anderson\n: But isn’t there a sense, though, Elon, where you can now just declare victory and say, you know, “We did it.” Let the world electrify, and you go on and focus on other stuff?\nI intend to stay with Tesla as far into the future as I can imagine, and there are a lot of exciting things that we have coming. Obviously, the Model 3 is coming soon. We’ll be unveiling the Tesla Semi truck.",
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"content": "Okay, we’re going to come to this. So, Model 3, it’s supposed to be coming in July-ish.",
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"content": "Yeah, it’s looking quite good for starting production in July.",
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"content": "That’s what I heard.",
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"content": "You might be in a computer.",
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"content": "Oh listen, man, I think about this all the time. Yeah, I mean, it’s unquestionable that one day that will be the case, as long as we keep going, as long as nothing interrupts us, and if we start from scratch, and, you know, we’re single-celled organisms all over again. And then, millions and millions of years later, we become the next thing that is us with creativity and the ability to change its environment.\nIt’s going to keep monkeying with things until it figures out a way to change reality. To change — I mean, almost like punch a hole through what is this thing into what it wants it to be and create new things. And then, those new things will intersect with other people’s new things, and there will be this ultimate pathway of infinite ideas and expression all through technology.",
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"content": "Yeah.",
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"content": "Oh, yeah. Do a Netflix special.\n(both laughing)",
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"content": "Netflix special. Sure.",
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"content": "What’s your favorite “Rick and Morty” concept? Just to spring that on you. There’s a lot of sort of scientific engineering ideas explored there. There’s the butter robot…",
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"content": "Yeah, it’s great show.",
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"content": "People are laughing right now. Yeah, constantly, I’m obsessed. I saw that David Attenborough documentary on chimps where they were eating those colobus monkeys and ripping them apart.",
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"content": "Yes, that’s rough. Gruesome.",
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"content": "I saw that many years ago. It just changed how, if I go, ‘oh, this is why people are so crazy. We came from that thing’.",
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"content": "Yeah, exactly. And there’s the Bonobos. They got, like, a better philosophy.",
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"content": "Yeah. So I get to a certain point, and then I count out, I usually hit the stopwatch on my phone, and then I look at 15 hours, and I’m like, “Oh, okay. Got an hour before I can eat.” And so anything in between that is just water or coffee.",
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"content": "Actually, this may be a useful bit of advice for people, but eating before you go to bed is a really bad idea and actually negatively affects your sleep. And it can actually cause heartburn that you don’t even know is happening, and that subtle heartburn, it affects your sleep because you’re horizontal and your body’s digesting. So if you want to improve the quality of your sleep and be healthier, it’s do not eat right before you go to sleep. It’s one of the worst things you could do.",
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"content": "Some of the biggest mistakes I’ve ever made. I’ve done that, particularly after comedy shows; if I’m starving, I’ll come home, and I’ll eat. And then I go to bed, and I just feel like shit, and I wake up in the middle of the night.",
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"content": "It’s going to crush your sleep, and it’s going to damage your pyloric sphincter and your esophagus. In fact, drinking and then going to sleep, that’s one of the worst things you could do. So just try to avoid drinking and eating…",
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"content": "So first, repowering the existing grid with renewables. And this is going to be a consistent theme. You’ll see our estimates for the number of terawatt hours, terawatts, and trillions of investment at the bottom of the page. You know, this is already actively occurring in front of us. 60% of the generation added to the US grid was solar in 2022. And actually, on a year-on-year basis, solar deployment is growing 50%, year on year, as of 2022. So, this is a serious upswing, and if we continue this trend, this is going to be behind us before we even know it.\nSecond, switching to electric vehicles. Again, 21% reduction in fossil fuel use by doing this alone. Obviously, Tesla was heavily engaged in this activity as well, along with many others. Overall, EV production grew 59% year on year in 2022. And EVs hit an amazing 10% market share. I mean, it’s an awesome milestone. I’m super excited to see that.",
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"content": "This is obviously happening very rapidly. And I think really all cars will go to fully electric and autonomous. And so riding a non-autonomous gasoline car, it’s going to be analogous riding a horse and using a flip phone. That’s basically going to be the situation.",
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"content": "We actually took a somewhat conservative assumption here in terms of how many batteries are required, because the more the fleet is autonomous, the smaller the fleet needs to be just from a utility rate basis. So, we’re not accounting for all of those benefits or really much of those benefits at all in this number. And what does this fleet look like? You know, just a rough view from our perspective. Of course, we could be wrong but you can see this sort of breakdown of the fleet by millions of vehicles. Our goal is to do 20 million electric vehicles a year.",
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"content": "Fewer vehicles will be needed, at least passenger vehicles, with autonomy. There is some debate as to what that number is. But it’s a number less than the number of vehicles needed today. There’s roughly 2 billion cars and trucks in operation in the world today.",
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| 732 |
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"content": "Yeah.",
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"content": "Instagram and their stories and whatever, Facebook and stuff, the e-mails…",
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"content": "That’s a great way to put it. It’s like an online ghost. That’s very accurate.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Yeah. So it would just be that more of you would be in the cloud, I guess, than in your body.",
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| 733 |
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"content": "We’ll get to space pollution in a minute. But explain the reasons for it.",
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"content": "In order to provide high bandwidth, low latency connectivity to a large number of people, you need a lot of satellites. And they need to be at low Earth orbit so that latency is low. The problem with satellites that are at geostationary orbit is that they are in around 36,000 kilometers, whereas we are at 550 kilometers. So gigantic difference in latency. For the Starlink system, you could play like a competitive video game that’s latency-dependent and still be able to play it with Starlink. It’s like browsing a terrestrial system, essentially.\nAnd Starlink is really, just to be clear, not a threat to 5G or terrestrial fiber or anything like that. But it’s very well suited to low to medium density regions of the Earth, places where it is too expensive to trench fiber or put cells, you know, 5G cellular base stations. And so it kind of takes care of the people that just didn’t get internet or… either the internet is too slow or too expensive, or they just don’t have it at all. It’s very well suited as a space-based system for serving like the least served, maybe 5% or something like that.",
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"content": "How big a part of your space business is it from your perspective?",
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"content": "I mean, I think it’s quite significant in the launch side of things; just launching other people’s satellites and serving the space station probably tops at around, you know, 3 or $4 billion a year of revenue. Whereas if we can get to say 3% of global Internet traffic, and that’s roughly a trillion dollar a year business, then we can increase our revenue by an order of magnitudes to more like 30 billion or something like that. And then we can use the proceeds from that to develop the rocket technology necessary to get humanity to Mars and to the Moon and elsewhere in the solar system.\nSo, I think Starlink is good in and of itself, for providing, like said, providing internet access to the least served in the world. It’s a fundamentally good thing in that respect. And also offering a little bit of competition in the cities, although you know Starlink can really maybe serve less than 5% of people in a city. This is because the way the…. the spot beams from Space are very big. So anyway, it’s a very nice compliment and a necessary compliment to 5G and fiber.\nAnd like I said, it’ll provide a revenue stream for us to develop our next-generation rocket, which is Starship. With Starship, we’re trying to achieve the fundamental breakthrough that is the holy grail of rocketry. That is to have a fully reusable orbital rocket. This is extremely fundamental. With Falcon 9, we have a mostly reusable rocket.",
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| 734 |
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"content": "Alone, or…?",
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"content": "Yeah, I assume so. Is this an invitation?",
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"content": "Okay. Elon, you have so many projects. It’s not only Tesla or SpaceX. It’s Neuralink, it’s the Boring Company, so many things and we discussed last time – I asked you what is the most important project or the most important topic for you to deal with in the foreseeable future. And you said that is truly the role that A.I. is going to play in our society. Could you explain why and why that is a big opportunity but also seems to worry you?\nElon Musk: Well, I mean, humans have been the smartest creature on earth for a long time, and that is going to change with what’s typically called artificial general intelligence. So this is, say, an A.I. that is smarter than a human in every way. It could even simulate a human. This is something we should be concerned about. I think there should be government oversight of A.I. developments, especially super-advanced A.I. Anything that is a potential danger to the public, we generally agree that this should have government oversight to ensure that the public safety is taken care of.\nBecause you feel that one day mankind could serve the machines and not the other way around?",
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"content": "Honestly, when I see people on their phones, I think we’re already serving the machine. It’s like everyone’s answering the questions. Every time you do a search or add information, you’re sort of building this digital group mind. The advent of artificial general intelligence is called the singularity for a reason because, just like a black hole, which is a singularity, it’s difficult to predict what will happen. So, it’s not as though the advent of A.G.I. is necessarily bad, but bad is one of the possible outcomes.",
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| 735 |
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"content": "You will never forget what is going on in the world when you think about when your child is born. You will know for the rest of this child’s life; you were born during a weird time.",
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"content": "That’s for sure.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "That is for sure. Probably the weirdest that I can remember.",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "Yeah, and he was born on May the fourth.",
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| 736 |
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"content": "No, that’s not true. It’s not true. I think that there’s right and wrong.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "And want censorship.",
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"content": "And I think that when you have a platform that’s as big as yours and as powerful as yours and as influential as yours, and you are a person of consequence to the world with what you do, that there is a certain responsibility that goes along with what you have on your platform and what you put out to the world. And I think that’s important. You don’t see that responsibility?",
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"content": "I think we have a responsibility to adhere to the law and if people want the law changed, they should talk to their elected representative and get the law changed and then we’ll adhere to the law. But if you want us to go beyond the law, that is us deciding to be censors and I’m against censorship. I’m in favor of freedom of speech and freedom of speech only is relevant when people you don’t like say things you don’t like. Otherwise it has no meaning.",
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| 737 |
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"content": "There should be like, „Wake up, fuckface. You’re endangering your fellow humans.“",
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"content": "We could gently wake you up with a sultry voice.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "That would be good, like, something with a southern accent. „Hey, wake up.“",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "Wake up, sunshine.",
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| 738 |
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"content": "Potentially, if we act correctly.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Yeah. I think there will be some silver linings here, no matter what. Hopefully, we can get more of silver linings than less.",
"role": "assistant"
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{
"content": "Yeah.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "So yeah, this is just kind of like a practice run for something that might in the future have a serious, like a really high mortality rate, and we kind of got to go through this without it being something that kills vast numbers of young, healthy people.",
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| 739 |
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"content": "Sounds like a good TV show.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Yeah. They literally have these big wars between various ants.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "Yeah. Maybe I’m just dismissing all the different diversity of ants.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Listen to that Werner Herzog talking about the jungle. It’s really hilarious. Have you heard it?",
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| 740 |
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"content": "Do you ever sit down and extrapolate? Do you ever sit down and think about all the different iterations of this and what this eventually leads to?",
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"content": "Yeah, sure. I think about it a lot. Like I said, this is not something that’s going to sneak up on you. Getting FDA approval for this stuff is not overnight. I don’t know; we probably have to be on version 10 or something before it would realistically be a human AI symbiote situation. You’ll see it coming.",
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"content": "You see it coming, but what do you think it’s going to be? When you’re alone, if you have free time, I don’t know if you have free time, but if you just sit down and think about this iteration, the next, onward, keep going, and you drag it out with improvements along the way and leaps and bounds and technological innovations. Where do you see it? What are we going to be?",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Like when?",
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| 741 |
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"content": "And what about other exploration through the solar system? I mean, I’m, you know…",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Europa is a big question mark.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "Right. So there’s an ocean there, right? And what you really want to do is to drop a submarine into the ocean.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Yeah, I mean, maybe there’s like some squid civilization, cephalopod civilization, under the ice of Europa. That would be pretty interesting.",
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| 742 |
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"content": "Why is music so important for you? Techno music in particular?",
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"content": "Well, it’s pretty fun. I think it’s – you know, you want to, I don’t know, feel maximum human. When people have like sort of a rave and good music it can be like maximum human. You want to really feel – like what really gets you to feel. I think that having fun with friends and crazy dancing is fun.",
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"content": "Perhaps your love for techno music is the secret reason why you are building big projects in Berlin.",
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"content": "Honestly, that’s a significant factor.",
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| 743 |
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"content": "Do you think that the current way we’re handling this, the social distancing, the mask, the locking down, does this make sense? Is it adequate? Or do you think that we should move back to at least closer to where we used to be?",
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"content": "Well, I think proper hygiene is a good thing no matter what.",
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"content": "Yes.",
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"content": "Wash your hands and if you’re coughing, stay at home or wear a mask because it’s not good. They do that in Japan. That’s normal. If you’re ill, you wear a face mask, and you don’t cough on people. I think that would be a great thing to adopt in general throughout the world. Washing your hands is also good.",
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| 744 |
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"content": "Okay, well, what I will say is that you have repeatedly said you want feedback and suggestions and thoughts. This community is, as you have seen, not afraid to speak up and has plenty of suggestions and ideas and wants to be engaged with. So, that’s definitely going to be an ongoing as well as a firm next step.",
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"content": "Yeah, I mean, I can’t emphasize enough to advertisers, brands and, you know,… the best way to understand what’s going on with Twitter is to use Twitter. And if there’s something that you don’t like, reply to one of my tweets, and I’ll do my best to respond. But I think it’s actually getting better, not worse. (…) you just use Twitter and see how it feels to you. I think it’s actually going in a good direction.",
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"content": "Awesome. Okay, I think we’re getting close to the end here. So I’m going to give you the floor to say whatever you want, and then I can wrap it up.",
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"content": "Okay. Well, I’m probably being a bit repetitive here. But like said, the larger goal is to do things that serve the greater interests of civilization, and have Twitter ultimately be a force that is moving civilization in a positive direction where people think it was a good thing for the world. And the evidence for that will be new users signing up, and more people using Twitter for longer. And I think also, if you were to use Twitter for an hour a day that, when you look back, you don’t regret the time. That’s actually also kind of important. You don’t want something that’s, let’s say, hyper addictive, but then you look back and you’re like, man, I kind of regret how I spent that hour.\nYou want to enjoy using Twitter and find it entertaining, informative, funny. And then, when you look back at the time you spent on Twitter, not regret it. I think then we will have succeeded.",
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| 745 |
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"content": "I thought we had half an hour for this interview.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "I know. It was so good, we keep going.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "I was told you were very pressed for time.",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "Yeah, it’s true.",
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| 746 |
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"content": "But someone else said, “The average age of people who die from Covid is older than the average age people die.”",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Let’s just say it’s about the same.",
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"content": "That’s a beautiful way of looking at it. I mean, it’s unfortunate. It sucks, but it sucks if grandpa dies of Alzheimer’s or emphysema or leukemia. It sucks. It sucks when someone you love dies.",
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"content": "Yes. I mean actually, I think a lesson to be taken here that I think is quite important is that if you have your grandparents and that they’re age of grandparents, really be careful with any kind of flu or cold or something that is not dangerous to kids or young adults but is dangerous to the elderly. Basically, if your kid’s got a runny nose, they should stay away from their grandparents, no matter what it is. There’re things where a young immune system has no problem; an older one has a problem. In fact, a lot of the deaths are literally, it’s tragic, but they’re intra-family. It’s, the little kid had a cold or flu and they…",
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| 747 |
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"content": "But I’ve heard you talk about that and you can talk about that lots and lots. But basically looking back at it now, was that the only reason that you wanted to pull out?",
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"content": "Yes, that was literally the issue. It’s like, let’s say you buy a warehouse full of goods and you were told that less than 5% of the goods in the warehouse are broken. But then you actually get the warehouse, you look into the warehouse and turns out actually 25% of the things are broken. You’d be like, “Huh, that’s not what you said.”",
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"content": "And so then you changed your mind again and decided to buy it. Did you do that because-",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Well, I kind of had to.",
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| 748 |
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"content": "It will be very helicopter-like.",
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"content": "Or on your roof. It’s just really going to be like, „What the hell. That was annoying.“ Like, if you want a flying car, just put some wheels on a helicopter.",
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"content": "Is there a way around that? Like what if they figure out some sort of magnetic technology, like all those Bob Lazar type characters who were thinking that was a part of the UFO technology they were doing at Area 51? Remember, didn’t they have some thoughts about magnetics?",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Nope.",
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| 749 |
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"content": "Yeah, right, grok just bragging, making shit up about itself.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Just Grok, Grok, Grok.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "Yeah. That’s like a weird AI dating site where it exaggerates about itself. No, there’s a writeup of where it stands now, the history of its development, and where it stands on some benchmarks compared to the state-of-the art GPT-3 five. And so I mean, there’s , you can open source, once it’s trained, you can open source a model. For fine-tuning, all that kind of stuff. What to is the pros and cons of that, of open sourcing base models?",
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"content": "I think the to open sourcing, I think perhaps with a slight time delay, I don’t know, six months even. I think I’m generally in favor of open sourcing, biased towards open sourcing. I mean, it is a concern to me that OpenAI, I was I think, I guess oddly the prime mover behind OpenAI in the sense that it was created because of discussions that I had with Larry Page back when he and I were friends and I stayed at his house and I talked to him about AI safety, and Larry did not care about AI safety, or at least at the time he didn’t. And at one point he called me a speciesist for being pro-human, and I’m like, well, what team are you on, Larry? He’s still on Team Robot to be clear. And I’m like, okay. So at the time Google had acquired DeepMind, they had probably two thirds of all AI researchers in the world. They had basically infinite money and compute, and the guy in charge, Larry Page, did not care about safety and even yelled at me and caught me a speciesist for being pro-human.",
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| 750 |
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"content": "We’re glad as a robot that you love humans because we love you too, and we don’t want you to kill us and eat us. And-",
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"content": "I mean, you know, strangely, I think a lot of people don’t like humanity and see it as a blight, but I do not.",
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"content": "Well, I think one of those — I think, part of that is just they’ve been — you know, they’ve been struggling. When people struggle, they associate their struggle with other people. They never internalize their problems. They look to other people as holding them back, and people suck, and fuck people, and it’s just — You know, it’s a never-ending cycle. But not always. Again, most people are really good. Most people, the vast majority.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "This may sound corny.",
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| 751 |
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"content": "You mentioned outages, there have been several.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Yeah.",
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"content": "And we’ve actually spoken to an engineer who works at Twitter and they said that the plumbing is broken here and it’s on fire and there could be problems at any minute. Do you accept that?",
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"content": "I mean, there have been a few outages, but not for very long. It’s currently working fine.",
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| 752 |
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"content": "And you feel like this is decades away or years away from being too late. If you have this fatalistic attitude, and you feel like it’s going… – we’re in an almost like a doomsday countdown.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "It’s not necessarily a doomsday countdown. It’s a…",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "…out of control countdown?",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Out of control, yeah. People call it the singularity and that’s probably a good way to think about it. It’s a singularity, it’s hard to predict, like a black hole. What happens after the event horizon?",
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| 753 |
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"content": "Right.",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "It’s your perception.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "Is it your perceptions or is it, you know, a scale that we have under your butt. You’re right here. I’ve measured you. You’re the same weight as you were when you left. But meanwhile, your experience is probably different-",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Why do you think you’re where you are right now? You might not be.",
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| 754 |
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"content": "You see it coming, but what do you think it’s going to be? When you’re alone, if you have free time, I don’t know if you have free time, but if you just sit down and think about this iteration, the next, onward, keep going, and you drag it out with improvements along the way and leaps and bounds and technological innovations. Where do you see it? What are we going to be?",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Like when?",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "20, 25 years from now? What are we going to be?",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Well, assuming civilization is still around, it’s looking fragile right now. I think we could have…- in 25 years probably, I would think there could be a whole brain interface.",
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| 755 |
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"content": "So they don’t want to bring up the fact that being fat’s bad for you. It’s a judgmental on your…",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Food’s great.",
"role": "assistant"
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{
"content": "I do love food.",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "Yeah. I mean, to be totally frank, I mean, speaking for myself, I’d rather eat tasty food and live a shorter life.",
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| 756 |
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"content": "Okay. Electronic, like big screen, laptop, ridiculous speed, handling, all that stuff.",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "Yeah. And we’re going to put video games in it.",
"role": "assistant"
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{
"content": "You are?",
"role": "user"
},
{
"content": "Yeah.",
"role": "assistant"
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| 757 |
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{
"content": "Whoa.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "So, this — Yeah, but it’s pretty fun. It’s pretty crazy. Like we — You know, people still sue us like they’ll have like some accident at 60 miles an hour where they’d like twisted an ankle, and they sue us. Like, they will be dead in another car, they still sue us.",
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"content": "But that’s to be expected, isn’t it?",
"role": "user"
},
{
"content": "It is to be expected.",
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| 758 |
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"content": "Coconuts kill 150 people every year. Cut down all the coconut trees. We need those people. It’s, at a certain point in time, it’s… Yeah, we’re vulnerable, and also, we have a finite existence no matter what.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "We do. Nobody lives forever.",
"role": "assistant"
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{
"content": "Right.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "I mean, I think, you want to look at say deaths as like, “but for this disease, whatever, they would have lived X number of years.” So, if somebody dies when they’re 20 and could have lived till 80, they lost 60 years. But if somebody dies when they’re 80 and they might’ve lived till 81, they lost one year. So it’s, “How many life years were lost” is probably the right metric to use.",
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| 759 |
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"content": "You should figure that shit out. You need to fucking kick down the door at Rolex and go, „You bitches are lazy.“",
"role": "user"
},
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"content": "It’s kind of amazing that you can keep time mechanically on a wristwatch with these tiny little gears.",
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"content": "It’s amazing. I mean, the whole luxury watch market is fascinating. I’m not that involved in terms like I don’t buy them. I’ve bought them as gifts. I don’t buy them for myself. But when I look at them online, there’s a million-dollar watches out there now that are like they have like little rotating moons and stars.Like, look at this thing, how much is that one, Jaime?\nI don’t know. I just picked one.\nThese are fucking preposterous.",
"role": "user"
},
{
"content": "I like gears.",
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| 760 |
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{
"content": "Right, exactly.",
"role": "user"
},
{
"content": "Because for sure, failure is one of the possibilities. But, ideally, you want to try to bracket it and say success is in the envelope of outcomes. I wasn’t quite sure if that was the case. I think success on an academic level would have been quite likely because you can publish some useless paper. And most papers are pretty useless…",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "We have a few –\n(to the audience)\ndon’t take offense.",
"role": "user"
},
{
"content": "I mean, how many Ph.D. papers are actually used by someone ever?",
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| 761 |
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"content": "And you have to tell them what the pit’s for, or you just say ‘hey, we just want to dig a hole’.",
"role": "user"
},
{
"content": "I just filled out this form.",
"role": "assistant"
},
{
"content": "That’s it.",
"role": "user"
},
{
"content": "Yeah, it was a pit in our parking lot.",
"role": "assistant"
}
]
| 762 |
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{
"content": "Oh. So, magnet road is the way to go, just underground.",
"role": "user"
},
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"content": "If you want to go really fast underground, you would be maglev in a vacuum tunnel.",
"role": "assistant"
},
{
"content": "Mag in a vacuum tunnel.",
"role": "user"
},
{
"content": "Magnetic levitation in a vacuum tunnel.",
"role": "assistant"
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| 763 |
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"content": "Well, let’s talk about what you can talk about to what Neuralink is because the last time you were here, you really couldn’t discuss it. Then there was, I guess, a press release or something that sort of outlined…",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "Oh yeah, sure.",
"role": "assistant"
},
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"content": "Yeah, that had happened quite a bit after the last time you were here. What exactly is it? How do you do – what happens if someone ultimately does get a neural link installed? What will take place?",
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"content": "Well, for version one of the device, it would be basically implanted in your skull. It would be flush with your skull, so you basically take out a chunk of skull, put the Neuralink device in there. You’d insert the electrode threads very carefully into the brain, and then you stitch it up, and you wouldn’t even know that somebody has it. It can interface basically anywhere in your brain. It could be something that helps cure, say, eyesight, like returns your eyesight even if you’ve lost your optic nerve type of thing.",
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"content": "We could be here now on our way to the road or on our way to the destination where this can never happen again; where we are completely ingrained in some sort of an artificial technology or some sort of a symbiotic relationship with the internet or the next level of sharing information. But, right now, we’re not there yet. That’s possible too, right? It’s possible that a simulation is, one day, going to be inevitable, that we’re going to have something that’s indistinguishable from regular reality, but maybe we’re not there yet. That’s also possible.",
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"content": "Yes, it is.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "So, we’re not quite there yet. This is real? When I touch that wood?",
"role": "user"
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"content": "It feels very real.",
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| 765 |
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"content": "It’s a good test actually. If this LLM understands and matches physics, then you can more reliably trust whatever it thinks about the current state of politics in some sense.",
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"content": "And it’s also not the case currently that even that its internal logic is not consistent. So especially with the approach of just predicting a token predict token, predict token, it’s like a vector sum. You’re summing up a bunch of vectors, but you can get drift. A little bit of error adds up and by the time you are many tokens down the path, it doesn’t make any sense.",
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"content": "So it has to be somehow self-aware about the drift.",
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"content": "It has to be self-aware about the drift, and then look at the thing as a gestalt as a whole and say it doesn’t have coherence as a whole. When authors write books, they will write the book and then they’ll go and revise it, take into account all the end and the beginning and the middle and rewrite it to achieve coherence so that it doesn’t end up at a nonsensical place.",
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| 766 |
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"content": "Yes. So you don’t want to go up yourself?",
"role": "user"
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"content": "It’s neither here nor there. I will go at some point.",
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"content": "What do you think of the other efforts to go suborbital?",
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"content": "Suborbital is a step in the direction of orbits. But just to put things in perspective, you need about 100 times more energy to get to orbit versus sub orbit. And then to get back from orbit, you need to burn off that energy, so you need like heavy-duty heat shield because you’re coming in like a meteor. So like orbit is roughly two orders of magnitude more difficult than sub orbit. But it’s still good to do something in Space.",
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| 767 |
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"content": "So, they weren’t expressing it. They weren’t talking about it all day. And you realized by the time you were five or six like, „Oh, they’re probably not even getting this thing that I’m getting.“",
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"content": "No. It was just strange. It was like, „Hmm, kind of strange.“ That was my conclusion, kind of strange.",
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"content": "But did you feel diminished by it in any way? Like knowing that this is a weird thing that you really probably couldn’t commiserate with other people, they wouldn’t understand you.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "I hope they wouldn’t find out because they might like to put me away or something.",
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| 768 |
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"content": "But because of our fear of danger, we tend to — our thoughts tend to gravitate towards the worst-case scenario. And we want to frame that. And that’s one of the real problems with prejudice; whether it’s prejudice towards different minorities, or prejudice towards police officers, or anything, it’s like we want to look at the worst-case scenario and say, „This is an example of what this is all about.“\nAnd you see that even with people, how they frame genders. Some men frame women like that. They get ripped off by a few women, and they decide, „All women are evil.“ Some women get fucked over by a few men, „All men are shit.“ And this is very toxic.And it’s also — It’s a very unbalanced way of viewing the world, and it’s very emotionally based, and it’s based on your own experience, your own anecdotal experience. And it can be very influential to the people around you, and it’s just a dangerous way. It’s a dangerous thought process and pattern to promote.",
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"content": "It is. It is a very dangerous pattern. I really think people should give other people the benefit of the doubt and assume that they are good until proven otherwise. And, I think, really, most people are actually pretty good people. Nobody’s perfect.",
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"content": "They have to be. If you think of vast numbers of us that are just interacting with each other constantly – we have to be better than we think we are.There’s no other way.",
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"content": "I mean, here are these weapons but how many times, like, …nobody’s presumably try to murder you and you’re-",
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| 769 |
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"content": "I mean, that was the perfect day for you. How do you say the name? Is it a placeholder?",
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"content": "First of all, my partner is the one that actually mostly came up with the name.",
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"content": "Congratulations to her.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Yeah. She’s great at names. I mean, it’s just X, the letter X, and then the Æ is like pronounced ‘ash’. Yeah, and then A-XII is my contribution.",
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| 770 |
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"content": "What do you think… Then of this goes back to the idea of trust, though.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "They’ll be gone and it’ll be gone because of an advertised boycott.",
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"content": "But you recognize that some of those people are going to say that they didn’t feel comfortable on the platform. And I just wonder and ask you, and think about that for a second-",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Tell it to the judge.",
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| 771 |
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"content": "So these roof tiles, some of them have in them basically solar power, the ability to –",
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"content": "Yeah. Solar glass tiles where you can adjust the texture and the color to a very fine-grained level, and then there’s sort of micro louvers in the glass, such that when you’re looking at the roof from street level or close to street level, all the tiles look the same whether there is a solar cell behind it or not. So you have an even color from the ground level. If you were to look at it from a helicopter, you would be actually able to look through and see that some of the glass tiles have a solar cell behind them and some do not. You can’t tell from street level.",
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"content": "You put them in the ones that are likely to see a lot of sun, and that makes these roofs super affordable, right? They’re not that much more expensive than just tiling the roof.",
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"content": "Yes. We’re very confident that the cost of the roof plus the cost of electricity… – A solar glass roof will be less than the cost of a normal roof plus the cost of electricity. In other words, this will be economically a no-brainer, we think it will look great, and it will last.\nWe thought about having the warranty be infinity, but then people thought, well, that might sound like we’re just talking rubbish, but actually this is toughened glass. Well, after the house has collapsed and there’s nothing there, the glass tiles will still be there.",
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| 772 |
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"content": "Well, I know this virus is in embedded chips, right? They’ve embedded chips and then acquired viruses.",
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"content": "Well, when I’m talking about a mind virus, I’m talking about a concept that infects people’s minds.",
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"content": "Oh, okay. Okay. Like cult thinking or some sort of fundamentalism.",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "Yeah. Just a wrongheaded idea that goes viral in an ideal sense.",
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| 773 |
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"content": "By design.",
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"content": "Yeah. People are posting pictures of when they’re really happy. They’re modifying those pictures to be better looking. Even if they are not modifying the pictures, they’re, at least, selecting the pictures for the best lightning, the best angle. So, people basically seem they are way better looking than they basically really are.",
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"content": "Right.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "And they’re way happier seeming than they really are. So, if you look at everyone on Instagram, you might think, “Man, there are all these happy, beautiful people, and I’m not that good looking, and I am not happy. So, I must suck,” you know. And that’s going to make you feel sad; when, in fact, those people you think are super happy, actually, not that happy. Some of them are really depressed. They’re very sad. Some of the happiest-seeming people are actually some of the saddest people in reality. And nobody looks good all the time. It doesn’t matter who you are.",
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| 774 |
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"content": "No, it’s not even something you should want.",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "Yeah.",
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},
{
"content": "Why do you want to look great all the time?",
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"content": "Yeah, exactly. So, I think, things like that can make people quite sad just by comparison, because you’re sort of…- People generally think of themselves relative to others. It’s like we are constantly re-baselining our expectations. And you can see this, say, if you watch some show like ‘Naked and Afraid’, or, you know, if you just go and try living in the woods by yourself for a while, and you’re like… – they learn that civilization is quite great, it has a lot…- People want to come back to civilization pretty fast on ‘Naked and Afraid’.",
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| 775 |
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"content": "And this is when you had those cool Roadsters with the T-top?With a target top?",
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"content": "Yeah. We had like a — It was a highly modified Elise chassis. The body was all completely different. By the way, that was a super dumb strategy that we actually did because we-",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "Why was it dumb?",
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"content": "It was based on two false premises. One false premise was that we would be able to cheaply convert the Lotus Elise and use that as a car platform, and that we’ll be able to use technology from this little company called AC Propulsion for the electric drive train and the battery.\nThe problem is, the AC propulsion technology did not work in production, and we ended up using none of it in the long-term. None of it. We had to resign everything.And then once you add a battery pack and electric motor to the car, it got heavier. It got 30% heavier. It invalidated the entire structure, all the crash structure. Everything had to be redone. I think, less than 7% of the parts were common with any other device, including cars or anything.",
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| 776 |
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"content": "What is that like?",
"role": "user"
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"content": "I don’t know what would happen if I got into a sensory deprivation tank.",
"role": "assistant"
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{
"content": "Let’s try it.",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "It sounds a little concerning.",
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| 777 |
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"content": "And do you think that the-",
"role": "user"
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"content": "And the whole world will know that those advertisers killed the company and we’ll document it in great detail.",
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"content": "But those advertisers I imagine are going to say, they’re going to say, we didn’t kill the company.",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "Oh, yeah. They’re going to say-\nTell to earth.",
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| 778 |
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"content": "How much does an ICBM go for? I’m curious what’s the market rate for one of those?",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Well…",
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"content": "This was right after the fall; it might have gone up.",
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"content": "Yeah, it’s gone up a lot since then. But in 2001, it would’ve been about $10 million each. Two would have been $20 million. And then I thought I could get the rest of the mission down to also around $10 million per, so we’d have a dual mission with like two identical launches, two identical spacecraft for roughly $40 million. And I thought, okay, I can do that.",
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| 779 |
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"content": "Yeah. Yeah, nobody wants to be around you anyway if it’s the end of the world. You’re like, „I fucking told you, bro.“",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "Yeah, exactly.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "The world is ending. Yeah. It is what it is for all.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Enjoy the journey.",
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| 780 |
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"content": "I saw that.",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "Yeah.",
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"content": "Okay. So TikTok has also been in the news. There’s talk of perhaps the Biden administration wanting to potentially ban it or force a sale. What’s your view of the situation?",
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"content": "I don’t really use TikTok. I mean, one of the reasons that I emphasize that our goal here at Twitter is to maximize unregretted user minutes or unregretted user time is that I hear many people tell me they spent a lot of time on TikTok, but they regret the time spent. And that seems like, “Okay, well, we don’t want to have regretted time. We want the time to be unregretted, where you learned things, you were entertained, amused.” Frankly, I get more laughs out of Twitter than anything else, and many people tell me the same thing, so that’s a good sign. For TikTok itself, like I said, I just don’t know enough about what’s going on there. I can’t say I have a strong opinion on TikTok.",
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"content": "Yeah, I truly believe that. But when I brought it out, the analysts – I don’t want to get too far deep into that – but analysts were saying, maybe somewhere around 2045, there’ll be about 15% EV and whatever. And now we’re looking at California with 8% right now and going higher. And then you’ve got Europe saying, “Forget it, you can’t drive here if you’ve got an ICE vehicle,” on and on and on.\nA lot of people were hoping that everything was going to stay the way it was or basically go back to the good old days as it were. I was not. I was in your camp. When I got your car initially, and I didn’t care one way or another – a car’s a car, we take it apart, we look inside, we find out how much it costs and what the techniques and technologies are, and then we must move on.\nWith yours, initially, “I don’t like this, I don’t like that.” Then I drove it because I was the last one to drive that vehicle, and he said, you should really take this thing for a ride and see what it is. And I took it into a parking lot – there’s a college that’s near us – and I zipped around, and whatnot, and I’m, “I feel young again.” This, I didn’t expect that excitement. Then we started looking at the electronics and how much better even the wiring is.",
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"content": "We have a lot to improve on the wiring front. There’s a lot more that can be done to improve wiring. It’s still like 12 volts. Why are we still there on the 12 volts?",
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"content": "42 is where everybody should be.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "I think, 48.",
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| 782 |
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"content": "But do you accept that there are lots of engineers that are looking at the way that Twitter is built, and the lack of engineers because so many have left and are worried about the health of Twitter?",
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"content": "Well, many of these people have predicted that Twitter will cease to function. Their predictions have not turned out to be true. Insert Mark Twain saying, “Rumors of my death are greatly exaggerated.”",
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"content": "Let’s go back six months.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "I mean we’re literally on Twitter right now.",
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| 783 |
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"content": "So, magnet road?",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "Yes, underground magnet roads.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "Underground magnet roads?",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Yeah. Otherwise, you’re going to really create a lot of trouble because there are metal things.",
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| 784 |
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"content": "That is it? Thank you. How much do you pay attention to the response to that stuff, and what was the response like? Did anybody go, “Hey man, what the fuck you doing?” Did anybody pull you aside?",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Yeah, of course.",
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"content": "Who does that? Who gets to do that to you?",
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"content": "Well, I mean, I certainly get that. There’s no shortage of negative feedback on Twitter.",
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| 785 |
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"content": "Yeah, like holding on. Like clinging.",
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{
"content": "Sure.",
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"content": "Just dragging their nails through the mud like, „Don’t take me yet.“",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Yes. But then, people go get a mason jar with a wine stem or a handle. That’s dark. Makes me lose faith in humanity.",
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| 786 |
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"content": "How much did your kids push you on the yoke? Was it your kids? Because my kids just love the yoke. So, that’s works for them. Anyway, really, really quick: Look, we’re living in this in-between time between we drive our cars, ourselves, and the cars drive themselves. They’re semi-autonomous. For those of us in the industry, those of us who understand something about technology, about machine learning, I actually like it; it’s pretty easy. It fixes my mistakes. I fix its mistakes.\nA lot in the press, though, about it, and Google’s position certainly is, this is like the worst place to be. Right? Because people are going to get checked out in the cars, are going to drive themselves into… What do you think about the ML\n(machine learning)\nhuman hybrids that we’re kind of, you know, embracing right now? How long are we going to have these crossover periods? I know you believe FSD is around the corner. Do you think this is really a problem, or we’re going to teach people to deal with ML?",
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"content": "Well, I mean, the transition period to new technology is always a little bumpy. But I think we published the safety stats, like basically miles driven on autopilot and miles driven manually. And this, I mean, it’s an order of magnitude different. So like, people would say, “Oh well, you’re playing with the statistics,” I’m like, “Listen, we’re just saying, miles driven autopilot, miles not driven autopilot,” and there’s a factor 10 difference. So I mean, even if we were like… we’re not fiddling with the statistics. This is not subtle. That is what I’m saying. It’s not subtle.\nThe truth is that people are actually not great at driving these two-ton death machines, you know. And people get tired, and they get drunk, and they get distracted, and they text, and they do all sorts of things they shouldn’t do. And then the cars crash, basically. When we’re embarking on the autonomy front, someone told me, I think that’s quite true, which is, even if you, for argument’s sake, reduce fatalities by 90% with autonomy, the 10% that do die with autonomy are still going to sue you. The 90% that are living don’t even know that that’s the reason they’re alive.\nNonetheless, I’ve had many conversations with the Tesla autopilot full self-driving team, who are just an outstanding group of people. And saying, like, listen, guys, it is better to pursue… – Like, the reality of doing the right thing matters more than the perception of doing the right thing. As long as we are confident that we’re doing the right thing, even if we are criticized and sued and all that, we should nonetheless do the right thing and not care about simply the perception of the right thing.",
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"content": "Okay, last question.\nRick Cutter, the ‘Cloud for Utilities’. Thank you so much for the hard work you’ve done with Tesla driving the EV market. As we move towards more green energy utilities, are getting rid of their fossil plants, coal plants, investing in renewables, there’s a difference in economic output they can deliver. Are you concerned at all as the growth of EVs continues? Do you think we could have a supply chain problem with energy down the road?",
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"content": "Yeah, I think that’s a very good question. The full answer is lengthy. I’ll try to give you the short version. The electricity demand, roughly… if we shift our transport to electric, then electricity demand approximately doubles, maybe a little more than doubles. And this is going to create a lot of challenges with the grid, especially for distribution to neighborhoods.\nAnd this is why Tesla has the product, the solar roof and solar retrofit – is because even if you increase sustainable power generation at the utility level, you’re still gonna have a distribution problem where you need new high-power lines, new medium-power lines, you need to dramatically increase the size of the substations, which means you’re gonna have to start locking down houses to increase the substation size. This is really unworkable unless you have significant local power generation at houses. And this is why I think it’s actually very important that a necessary part of the solution is local power generation, on roofs, on the houses of homes – very important.\nAnd then, of course, we need large, sustainable power generation developments, primarily wind and solar. But it needs to be paired with battery packs for steady-state so it can provide continuous power. And a lot of good things are happening in this regard. The growth of solar in the last several years has been incredible. I think it’s like a 40% compound annual growth rate in solar, and also a big growth in wind.\nI’m also kind of pro-nuclear, and I’m sort of surprised by a lot of the public sentiment against nuclear. I’m not saying we should go build a whole bunch of new nuclear plants, but I don’t think we should shut down ones that are operating safely. They did this in Germany, for example, and then had to create a whole bunch of coal power plants. And I don’t think that was the right decision, frankly. Yeah, anyway, so one or another, though, we’re going to have to have a lot more electricity generation. And this is primarily going to come down to solar and wind paired with batteries.",
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"content": "Yeah. Now, when you’re doing this, what is the ultimate plan? The ultimate plan is to have these in major cities and anywhere there’s mass congestion and just try it out in L.A. first?",
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"content": "Yeah, it’s in L.A. because I mostly live in L.A. That’s the reason. It’s a terrible place to dig tunnels. This is one of the worst places to dig tunnels, mostly because of the paperwork. People think it’s about seismic. Actually, earth tunnels are very safe in earthquakes.",
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"content": "Why is that?",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Earthquakes are essentially a surface phenomenon. It’s like waves on the ocean. If there’s a storm, you want to be in a submarine. So being in a tunnel is like being in a submarine. The way the tunnel is constructed is, it’s constructed out of these interlocking segments, kind of like a snake. It’s like a snake exoskeleton with double seals. And so, even when the ground moves, it’s able – the tunnel actually is able to shift along with the ground like an underground snake. And it doesn’t crack or break, and it’s extremely unlikely that both seals would be broken. It’s capable of taking five atmospheres of pressure. It’s waterproof, methane proof, or gas-proof of any kind, and meets all California seismic requirements.",
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| 788 |
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"content": "Really?",
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"content": "Yeah, absolutely. Hearing… – Pretty much anything that…- It could, in principle, fix almost anything that is wrong with the brain. It could restore limb functionality, so if you’ve got an interface into the motor cortex and then an implant that’s like a microcontroller and near muscle groups, you could then create sort of a neural shunt that restores somebody who is a quadriplegic to full functionality. Like, they can walk around and be normal.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "Wow.",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "Yeah, maybe slightly better.",
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| 789 |
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"content": "Is that real?",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "Basically.",
"role": "assistant"
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{
"content": "Not that bad, but heart attacks, strokes-",
"role": "user"
},
{
"content": "You get hit by a bus.",
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| 790 |
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"content": "I don’t think this is getting anywhere.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "You literally said you experienced more hateful content and then couldn’t name a single example.",
"role": "assistant"
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{
"content": "Right. And as I said-",
"role": "user"
},
{
"content": "That’s absurd.",
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| 791 |
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"content": "You’ve got to be a little pushy, yeah, especially when people are angry. If they’re a little angry, they don’t want to let you in; they speed up.",
"role": "user"
},
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"content": "Sometimes, I think, people overall are pretty nice on the highway, even in LA, but sometimes they’re not.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "Do you think the Neuralink will help that?",
"role": "user"
},
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"content": "Probably.",
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| 792 |
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"content": "Got it. Thank you.\nWell, thanks, David, and feel free to jump in if you have more questions. I would just say, Elon, I like hearing you say, short and long-term. I think we’ve heard a lot about subscriptions. We know that’s important to your strategy. But can you say anything more about long term and the role advertising plays within Twitter, both in the subscriptions piece as well as the non-subscriptions piece?",
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"content": "I just mean that when I hear brand safety, what I think I’m hearing is that we need to make sure that the brand overall is protected reputational in the long term. There may be something that drives short-term sales, but it’s next to hateful content. And that may drive short-term sales, but it’s ultimately detrimental in the long term. If I would put myself in the CEO or CMO position of any advertiser, I’d say, “well, I want to make sure we do drive sales in the short term, but we’re also not doing anything that damages our reputation in the long term.” So we obviously need to address both short and long-term factors.",
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"content": "Right. Okay. One thing that we glossed, that we didn’t dive in enough on when we talked about content moderation, was this idea of your content moderation counsel. I know you tweeted about that last week, I think. Can you say anything else about that? Like, where are we at with it? What is it going to look like? How will it work?",
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"content": "Sure. We want to have an advisory council that represents a diverse set of viewpoints, that is representative of a wide range of viewpoints in the US and internationally. And, in the short term, like… I’ve only got the keys to the building, you know, we could go Friday. So you know, we’re moving pretty fast here. But it takes a moment to completely rewrite the software stack. But I can say that the rate of evolution of Twitter will be an immense step change compared to what it has been in the past.\nYou know, if nothing else, I am a technologist and I can make technology go fast. And that’s what you’ll see happen at Twitter.",
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| 793 |
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"content": "Oh, okay. How long will these wires be?",
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{
"content": "I mean, they usually go in like, depending on where it is, like two or three millimeters.",
"role": "assistant"
},
{
"content": "They just find the spots?",
"role": "user"
},
{
"content": "Yeah.",
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| 794 |
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"content": "Yeah. Well, it’s even like, the thing is they don’t want you to be able to delete it because the problem is if you don’t delete it, and you don’t believe it anymore, it’s really hard to say, „Hey, that thing above, I don’t really believe that anymore. I changed the way I view things.“Because people would go, „Well, fuck you. I have that over there. I’m going to just take that. I’m not going to pay attention to that shit you wrote underneath it.“",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "It’s on your permanent record.",
"role": "assistant"
},
{
"content": "Yeah. It’s forever like a tattoo.",
"role": "user"
},
{
"content": "Like high school, „We’ll put this on your permanent record.“",
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| 795 |
[
{
"content": "How does it feel?",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "I don’t actually notice any effect.",
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"content": "Well, there you go. There was a time where – I think it was Ramdas or someone -gave some Buddhist monk a bunch of acid.And he ate it, and it had no effect on him.",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "I doubt that.",
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| 796 |
[
{
"content": "Was that one good?",
"role": "user"
},
{
"content": "Actually, it varied, but it was eatable.",
"role": "assistant"
},
{
"content": "Which one was?",
"role": "user"
},
{
"content": "The Teriyaki Bowl.",
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| 797 |
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"content": "Yeah. And when we take that anode cost reduction, we’re looking at another 5% $/kWh reduction at the battery pack level. And there’s more.\nLet’s talk about cathodes. What is a battery cathode? Cathodes are like bookshelves where the metal – you know, the nickel, the cobalt, the manganese or aluminum – is like the shelf, and the lithium is the book. And really, what sets apart these different metals is how many books of lithium they can fit on the shelves and how sturdy the shelves are. Cobalt is a-",
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"content": "Sorry, I was going to say it’s tough to exactly figure out what the right analogy is to explain a cathode and anode. But a bookshelf is probably a pretty good one in the sense that you need a stable structure to contain the ions. So you want a structure that does not crumble or get gooey; basically, that that holds its shape in both the cathode and the anode. As you’re moving these ions back and forth, it needs to retain its structure. So if it doesn’t retain a structure, then you lose cycle life, and your battery capacity drops very quickly.",
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"content": "Absolutely. Yeah. I totally agree. And I think people are always talking about, like, oh, what’s the cathode going to be? Is it NCA or whatever? The thing to consider is just fundamentally what the nickel, the metals are capable of. And that’s what we have on the chart here. $/kWh cathode of just the metal using just LME, London Metal Exchange prices, versus the energy density of just the cathode. And you can see, nickel is the cheapest and the highest energy density. And that’s why increasing nickel is a goal of ours and really everybody’s in the battery industry.\nBut one of the reasons why cobalt is even used at all is because it is a very stable bookshelf. And the challenge with going to pure nickel is stabilizing that bookshelf with only nickel. And that’s what we’ve been working on with our high nickel cathode development, which has zero cobalt in it; leveraging novel coatings and dopants, we can get a 15% reduction in cathode $/kWh.",
"role": "user"
},
{
"content": "Yeah. Big deal.",
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| 798 |
[
{
"content": "Just do it.",
"role": "user"
},
{
"content": "…the worm drive the flap.",
"role": "assistant"
},
{
"content": "That’s awesome.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "And also, the way the header tanks are done right now is crazy. We shouldn’t be carrying the header tanks like cargo. I mean, we want the header tanks to be integral to the tip. So seriously, like just take the tip, use the tip of the rocket as the half of the header tank, and essentially mirror the main tanks, but in small form, in the nose. So, just have two domes, and have the oxygen and fuel in the tip of the rocket, not carrying the tanks like cargo, but having the tanks…",
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