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"content": "The \"DEI expert\" in the byline is icing on the cake lmao",
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"content": "Literally came to comment that lol.\n\n“DEI expert? You know, Im something of a bigot myself!”",
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"content": "Author's black",
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"content": "…and?",
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"content": "You are a redditor in a political subreddit, having a conversation with another redditor about politics.",
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"content": "Man…",
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"content": "What? Is this guy saying they both have kind, gentle eyes that will fuck you up if you cross them? Yeah I can — oh he’s being racist. Well that’s just rude. Also the guy has a Hitler mustache. What did people expect? This is literally his favorite day",
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"content": "He’s one of those types that unironically think the American public supports there sentiment they’re just too scared to say it",
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"content": "I don’t think he believes that most Americans believe what he believes. I think he’s just a racist and is happy to be open about it",
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"content": "Eh, if you saw his posts you’d probably aggres with me. I think you’d also be surprised how many white supremacist types actually believe they’re the “quiet majority”, that everyone thinks how they do but the “woke neomarxist left” has coerced them into keeping quiet.",
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"content": "It’s possible but it’s also why I’m glad I’m banned on twitter. Elon mandated fast twitter breaks through chewing the wires and destroying his advertisement opportunities. \n\nI just think they know they’re not the majority and don’t care and want to take control of the culture by force",
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"content": "[https://mstdn.social/@tristansnell/112804804078701150](https://mstdn.social/@tristansnell/112804804078701150)\n\n \n[https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/07/15/russia-withdraws-last-patrol-ship-from-crimea-ukrainian-navy-reports/](https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/07/15/russia-withdraws-last-patrol-ship-from-crimea-ukrainian-navy-reports/)\n\n> \n*“The last patrol ship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet is leaving our Crimea right now. Remember this day.”*\n\nHazzah!",
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"content": "The second strongest country on earth lost a naval war against a country who doesn't have a navy.\n\n\nIt would be like if the Houthis smoked a US carrier group.",
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"content": "Almost as crazy as Admiral Yi beating a fleet of 133 ships with only 13 himself, I say almost cuz Yi is the GOAT and I cant say anyone crazier xP",
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"content": "To be fair Turtle Ships are OP.",
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"content": "Shapirbros in Shambles. Walz Warriors stay winning. ",
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"content": "THE GOOD TIMELINE",
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"content": "DID HE GET CHOSEN? IS IT OFFICIAL??",
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"content": "YES MY FRIEND! REJOICE! KAMALA DIDN’T CHOOSE THE MAN WHO COVERED UP A MURDER!",
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"content": "You are a redditor in a political subreddit, having a conversation with another redditor about politics.",
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"content": "Never before have I experienced such a moment of hope. ",
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"content": "The idea that we may beat Trump with a female president who has a voting record comparable to Bernie is making me downright emotional. I'm **excited** to vote for Kamala.",
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"content": "Genuine question, as far as i know she has at least a relatively progressive voting record, but \"comparable to Bernie\" are some big words, is there actually some truth to that?",
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"content": "As far as what legislation has actually made it far enough to be voted on, her record is impeccable. Obviously Bernie is a far more outspoken leftist.",
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"content": "She's walking on eggshells, not wanting to leak DMs so to speak, but the general vibe I'm getting is that if Biden drops out, we're not getting Harris, there's no unified plan, and everyone in the party is gonna be pushing for their own interests, culminating in an open convention and it's going to be a shitshow.\n\nNow maybe she really is out of the loop and there is a plan being developed, but if that's the case I can't exactly criticize her for being kept in the dark. I know I have zero faith in the Dem leadership to get shit done, why should I expect this time to be different.\n\nI would love to get a Harris/Buttigieg or Harris/Shapiro ticket come November, but if the Dems don't want Harris on the ticket for whatever reason then honestly I think we would be better off with Biden.",
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"content": "I agree its gotta be either biden or Harris. NO on open convention. i think that would be a disaster for us!",
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"content": "I disagree actually. Not only do I think there’s much better candidates than Kamala. I think the open convention is a perfect way to get the media attention and the candidate a little battle hardened for the final push to November. Candidates like Whitmer poll higher better than Kamala and she gives a guaranteed Michigan win.",
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"content": "I just see a huge fight and power grab in that setting. maybe im wrong and that wouldn't happen. but i don't think it will help us win. i really reallly don't want a repeat of 1968!\n\nSo If biden has to step down, im fully on the coconut train here!",
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"content": "The media already has been going nuts with Dems in disarray stories, their absolute favorite. We cannot have a chaotic convention.\n\nThis is essentially puss in boots and the last wish. Jack Horner is obviously Trump. The Bears and Goldie are RFK Jr., Russia, China, and other foreign nations. Death is the media. They are an antagonist who will gladly watch Dems drown for a good story. We need to accept our limited option here and confront Death with the courage to live and fight.",
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"content": "Jack Horner? Why is a palaeontologist in puss and boots?",
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"content": "You are a redditor in a political subreddit, having a conversation with another redditor about politics.",
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"content": "Some good news: In this poll Trump saw no polling bump from the assassination attempt.",
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"content": "In a [comment over the weekend](https://old.reddit.com/r/VaushV/comments/1e323xs/biden_campaign_pausing_communications_in/ld5gm35/) I had mentioned what the maximum polling boost Trump could see from this based on the Reagan shooting was around 10 points. In the first poll since the shooting, Trump has seen no bump at all, while Reagan saw a 14 point boost. Trump picking JD Vance killed his chance for a sympathy boost because Vance immediately blamed Biden for the shooting. It's entirely possible Trump is going to go down in the polls as a result of the convention because of the violent rhetoric they've continued to spew in a time they needed to shut that shit down. \n\nRemember, polls aren't predictive, they're an invention of the devil, and no matter what they say, we must vote against Trump. But it's still good news that Trump shat the bed on gaining sympathy here.",
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"content": "> Trump picking JD Vance killed his chance for a sympathy boost because Vance immediately blamed Biden for the shooting.\n\nI genuinely have no words here, this is amazing.",
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"content": "Truly. What a massive blunder. Trump’s pathological desire for complete loyalty has always been his biggest weakness. Vance is charismatic in the same way as a used car salesman, youth pastor, or middle management. He’s the guy who asks what everyone’s doing after work and nobody tells him that there’s a bar everyone meets at every Friday night.",
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"content": "Honest to god I think a reverse 2016 is completely within the realm of possibility. \n\nCopium? Maybe. But it would be funny as fuck.",
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"content": "You never know how much of your copium is cut with hopium until after the fact.",
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"content": "You are a redditor in a political subreddit, having a conversation with another redditor about politics.",
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"content": "Seeing Pelosi endorse an open convention is starting to make me think AOC was right ",
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"content": "Could be. I think its just them trying to not look like they are just appointing Kamala. If its open and then Kamala easily wins (and wins quickly) then it would look democratic and make the party look united. ",
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"content": "I am *very* skeptical of anything being driven to this extent by donors. For all we know they could be trying to push the American equivalent of Keir Starmer on us",
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"content": "Or, it's not a conspiracy, and they're just scared to lose. Very few things in life is a conspiracy",
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"content": "You act like politicians and rich assholes aren't narcissist who think they should run the show. there's a reason why open conventions have ALWAYS been shitshows. It's not a conspiracy, it's like saying birds chirp, we've seen it,heard it",
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"content": ">You act like politicians and rich assholes aren't narcissist who think they should run the show\n\nNo? I think I call Biden by those exact words every other day on this sub. I'm saying it's more likely they are just afraid of losing and want another candidate, but haven't decided on it yet (which is stupid because the obvious answer is Kamala), not that there are some grand conspiracy to usurp biden with a starmner lookalike",
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"content": "I respectfully disagree. I don't think they're afraid of losing. They're convinced they're going to lose no matter what they do now and they're going scorched earth and looking to 2028.",
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"content": "How is any of this scorched earth? Its a strategy that makes 0 sense, even from the perspective of them being instant on loosing",
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"content": "What strategy? The establishment was behind Biden while \"vote blue no matter who\" was the prevailing sentiment. Since the debate, that's off the table. Now they are fine with either result, including Trump winning because their careers will be fine if not *better* with a Trump win. \n\nBiden doesn't step down and wins? Great. Loses? Still fine, there's always 2028.\n\nBiden steps down and the new nominee wins? Great. Loses? Still fine.\n\nSuggesting a contested convention makes it look even more like they're taking voter concerns seriously, reassures their donors that they're not in a Biden cult, and every scenario gets them what they want, which is to continue to be in congress and in power.",
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"content": "What is it with you guys and fucking conspiracies? Are you suggesting they thought trump would loose form the get go, pushed biden with the intention of making him look like a fool for them to then have an open convention, and then loose on purpose???",
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"content": "You are a redditor in a political subreddit, having a conversation with another redditor about politics.",
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"content": "The guardian back at it again (and no I'm not pro russia) ",
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"content": "Simple. One is brown and one is white. Liberals are against wars that are bad in hindsight but cheer it when it is current. They are status quo boot lickers.",
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"content": "Its more than just skin colour, its western geopolitical interests. But that doesn't help either.",
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"content": "No it is not. Genociding gazans is geopolitical suicide. If the West doesn't stop it asap they will have lost the middle east for several more generations to come. And Northern and eastern Afrika for at least 2 decades. Jeah Israel is our military base but that will be the case anyway. We are currently just making sure that we need it.",
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"content": "I'm from a rural area. I can't name one policy a Republican has talked about that would help my home town.\n\nIt was barely talked about but expanded broadband internet was something good dems have done. Also the ACA did disproportionately help rural folk even if there is a misconception of it out there.\n\nSo to dominate elections moving forward it seems they should brand a good amount of their policy on how to help rural areas. Idk why they haven't tried something like that.",
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"content": "The problem is it isn't just about policy, alot of it is cultural, prejudice, and a difference in education. Urban and suburban students are 74% more likley to enroll in college.",
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"content": "True but even a 10% shift could change margins so large it be hard to beat. Seems worth a shot to me",
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"content": "It is. Thing is also having to counter the bystander effect the left in general has. We all speak up online but in person people don’t actually show up. It happened to Hilary, then to Bernie, and now Harris. People talk a big game but just don’t show up. It’s the ONLY thing I respect the republicans for doing. They always vote and will never stop.",
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"content": "Harris says no to genocide it seems",
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"content": "If she comes out unequivocally against Bibi and the war then she'll have this shit all locked up",
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"content": "Against Bibi? Sure. But the war is trickier. Supporting Israel is a popular stance.",
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"content": "It would take a pretty tight messaging campaign, maybe something along the lines of \"Bibi is creating this war to further his own ends, putting Israel at risk. We need to protect Israel by stopping Bibi and his campaign before they suffer a serious counterattack.\"",
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"content": "I honestly think you could get some good messaging by saying \"This war needs to stop, but Israel should not be left defenceless. So we are putting boots on the ground on the line between Israel and Palistine as a peacekeeping solution. ***Anyone*** who shoots at American troops will get bombed back to the stone age. And we're bringing food, water and medical supplies for Palistine.\"\n\nStops the war, defends Israel, defends Palistine. Everyone wins except the zionists.",
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"content": "Nahhhh. That's a losing strategy. A majority of Americans (including even a narrow majority of Republicans) are opposed to this conflict and support a ceasefire. Putting American troops over there is hideously unpopular. Even among Republican voters. Trump would actually be more popular and pull over some more swing voters and Independents if he changed his position on Israel and opposed putting American troops over there. Even Republican voters are tired of Neoconservative foreign policy.\n\n\nI get you're coming at this from a good place, but that strategy is way too 80-early 2000s Neocon. It won't fly these days. Especially among Democrats and Democratic-voting/Democratic-amenable Independents.",
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"content": "With Joe Biden potentially dropping out and every far right think tank or politician arguing against it (stating because it solidifies Trump winning) is basically arguing for the guarantee of Democratic dysfunction when the Republicans gain power and for potentially years after.\n\n“Better to see them break apart when we are in power over seeing them come together before it.”\n\nWhat are peoples thoughts on this?\n",
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"content": "You guys know we're still voting for Biden, right?",
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"content": "Nah I like the sound of a nasal voice cracking its way to death. Vote for Robert Kennedy Junior is a vote for all!",
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"content": "All Dogs go to his Tummy",
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"content": "CAIR poll on Muslim vote",
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"content": "They are making the wrong choice, but come on. You have to have A LITTLE sympathy for them. Joe Biden’s actions caused him to lose their vote. \n\nIt’s the sociological imagination, like Vaush talks about.",
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"content": "I have no sympathy for them anymore than Christian televangelist suckers. Harris had a better position than Biden, came out of nowhere, and they still tuned it out to the obvious grifters with no actual plan or ability to do anything to help. Nor will I be sympathetic to the Jews who went republican. This shit isn’t a game and this is a deep moral judgement. Separately, the circles on the left talking itself out of Harris in a record 3 month timespan proves why nobody appeals to them, why they’re not a serious political force in America, or a reliable voter block. Like fuck, they could be unstoppable if they didn’t excuse shit like this.",
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"content": "Maybe you’re right but I don’t know",
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"content": "You are a redditor in a political subreddit, having a conversation with another redditor about politics.",
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"content": "Never before have I experienced such a moment of hope. ",
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"content": "Is this sub just full of liberals now? I truly don't get the optimism surrounding her, during the primary everyone hated her guts. Genuinely one of the least charismatic, fakest, zero conviction holding, most obviously corporate owned dems in the entire party. She had one of the most disastrous primary bids I've ever seen in my life, seemingly walked back all of her progressive views during that campaign, and has done nothing to show us she's any different since then. Someone give me some hopium because this seems like an unmitigated disaster to me, I truly can't believe the DNC allowed Biden to run and then pulled the rug out at the last minute and hung the final hopes of democracy on the shoulders of Kamala fucking Harris of all people.",
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"content": "How are people ''liberals'' for supporting Kamala and not for supporting Biden?",
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"content": "They're not, but there is a difference between \"okay maybe this gives us the best shot\" and \"OMG I love Kamala Harris I'm so glad I get to vote for her!\" that is all over this thread.",
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"content": "We Just Reached Another Turning Point - Vaush",
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"content": "It's kinda funny how much of a nightmare scenario this is for democrats.\n\nJoe Biden is a walking skeleton. Has an utterly disastrous debate performance. Can barely string together 2 words and appears so unfit that Democrat politicians are openly calling for him to step down.\n\nMeanwhile Trump takes *literal* shots like a champ, gets up and immediately starts talking his shit. Gets an absolutely priceless collection of historic photographs to use as political propaganda. And has the Supreme Court openly backing him on top of that(and there isnt shit being done about it lol). The one maybe-disadvantage, Project 2025, also gets completely erased from mainstream conversation now.",
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"content": "Would help if the left didn't make the whole last couple weeks a campaign against Biden.\n\n \nI get he is an old man that is shit. He is still better than Trump.\n\n \nI would be doubling down on the importance of not allowing Trump to be re elected rather than doing his campaigning for him.\n\n \nIn a country where you guys don't need to vote, the last few weeks have been filled with the left doing Trump's job.\n\n \nI have given up giving a fuck about your politics. Good luck turning it around.",
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"content": "The left is a nonfactor here,I've seen a lot of liberal infighting",
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"content": "Biden's Campaign Could Be Over - Vaush",
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"content": "Is this plummeting of Biden in polls in the room with us right now?\n\nAren't you guys tired of the hopium?",
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"content": "In recent days we’ve had defections from Schiff, Schumer, and Pelosi. Biden’s apparently asking around about how viable Harris would be as a candidate - it isn’t hopium.\n\nBut yeah, [here’s](https://emersoncollegepolling.com/july-2024-swing-state-polls/) a recent poll that’s getting headlines.\n\nEdit: and now Obama has just defected…\n\nEdit: Jeremy Raskin has now also defected",
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"content": "I’m not sure how significant the Obama defection is yet. He hasn’t come out and said it himself, and it’s unclear if this was an intentional leak or if his staffers had enough of Obama’s silence. The article is mostly saying that he’s acting as a power broker atm.",
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"content": "Culture wars have always been a thing and always will be a thing. Will it be as unhinged as the past decade? Probably not. I can't really imagine how they can escalate things further, and despite how it may seem, the Rights culture war is unpopular with a majority of Americans.",
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"content": "> I can't really imagine how they can escalate things further\n\nI can, but I've read history books.",
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"content": "Ok, but we're not talking culture war at that point. We're talking about riling up a base so much that they launch an 8 month war against a beer can. We've plateaued because you can only keep escalating so much before you lose even the average Republican.",
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"content": "> Ok, but we're not talking culture war at that point. \n\nThere's a reason they call it a war.",
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"content": "And it's not the reason you're implying. Come on, use that logic for other things we add the word war to. I don't know why you're using snarky one liners on me. I'm not denying or downplaying the dangers authoritarians pose on minorities, but that wasn't was the OP was talking about.",
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"content": "> Come on, use that logic for other things we add the word war to.\n\nPoint me at one where it doesn't work.",
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"content": "Thumb war.",
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"content": "And with that you prove you're not being serious.\n\nThumb wars are a game.\n\nThe \"culture war\" isn't.",
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"content": "War can just mean conflict. I don't know how you could miss the point so much, nor do I understand why you're doubling down on why your snarky one liners that missed the point the OP and I were talking about was justified.",
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"content": "They want to exterminate their targets in the in the culture war.\n\nThat's why they call it a war.",
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"content": "Also, it’s not wise to go against Biden if you are a squad / leftist member. If Trump ends up winning against Biden’s replacement, guess who likely gets thrown under the bus?",
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"content": "They also risk getting blamed if Trump wins and Biden remains on the ticket. They have really gone out of their way to bat for him publicly.",
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"content": "Handy guide for today",
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"content": "Wishing death on Biden the most accomplished President is how you get America’s Hitler Trump.",
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"content": "Do you think Biden is alive?",
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"content": "Yeah? Do you think people seriously believe Biden is dead? Or do you think maybe people are just exaggerating their belief that Biden is old and becoming physically incapable of being President?",
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"content": "Yeah let’s call old people dead. Incapable and still the president, sounds like a banana republic.",
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"content": "DO NOT WATCH THIS If You Are Pro-Diabetes - The Vaush Pit",
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"content": "Lol that's from a stream one or two months ago. Editors are drawing deep on their \"what if vaush is dead\" reserve list.",
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"content": "real talk though when were streams supposed to start back up again? I know he was on vacation or something but it feels like its been a while",
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"content": "Sorry I stopped reading right after GeNoCiDe JoE. If you want to be taken seriously stop deploying these dumbshit nicknames. She sounds like a republican.",
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"content": "Except a Republican would say that Biden isn’t going far enough. \n\nThere was a report from the Lancet that if the war ended today, the final death toll *conservatively* would be around 185,000. That’s 8% of the population of Gaza. Considering the current ceasefire proposal doesn’t guarantee an end to fighting, it’s only fair to assume that number would get worse. So sorry to burst your bubble, but when the administration is supporting such a gross and inhuman policy, my last concern would be whether “Genocide Joe” is not an appropriate moniker.",
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"content": " Wow..this definitely has gone well before…hasn’t it ",
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"content": "Honestly, tinfoil hat time…\n\nI don’t think Biden is at the wheel here. Given that recent politico article, and what we learned about Nancy Pelosi basically having to break down the doors and force an intervention with Biden, I kind of think Biden is on autopilot. I don’t mean to say he’s literally weekend at Bernie’s level here (some of you I’m sure do), but I think there is an inner core in the White House that shelters him from information and people they don’t want him to see and guide him in the direction they. He has basically delegated much of the work to extremely interested parties and doesn’t question them enough. They also realize a potential Harris administration could mean they are out, so they’ve been trying to push more hawkish positions completely detached from the larger electoral strategy.\n\nI could be completely wrong here and I’m not totally sold on it, but I can’t help but think the White House has closeted war hawks who are pulling the strings, many of whom, up until summer thought they’d have another four years to work this out.",
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"content": "Glenn Greenwald? Seriously? You might as well post Jimmy Dore",
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"content": "LIVE: Biden holds a press conference during NATO summit",
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"content": "Please do bad!",
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"content": "VICE PRESIDENT TRUMP LOL",
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"content": "I don't know much about British politics, but I see Vaush and people on this subreddit saying that the Labour party isn't as good as it may appear.\n\nWhy are people saying that? What makes the Labour party suboptimal according to their perspective? A explanation would be helpful. ",
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"content": "Lots of people who are only looking at UK politics now aren't aware (I don't blame them) that when Starmer ran for Labour leader, he positioned himself as basically identical to Corbyn's left-wing policies, without the controversial image of Corbyn (which to some extent was manufactured by the media and by the Labour right). \n\nAs soon as he won that vote he steadily went back on every manifesto commitment he made, which made basically every leftist who voted for him utterly lose faith. A lot like John Fetterman!",
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"content": "You misunderstand: The party is focused on \"Labour\", not labor. \n\nLabour with a U is a uniquely Bri'ish concept: it means plundering the tea/spices/surplus-labor/cultural artifacts of others while extending one's pinky.",
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"content": "What the fuck are you even talking about",
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"content": "Mostly making fun of the Bri'ish misspellings of words to turn it into an anti-colonialism joke.",
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"content": "When American companies still used the printing press and wanted to save money, they started spelling certain words differently. This included omitting the u in words such as \"colour\" \"flavour\" and \"labour\". While I try to be descriptiviat on language, if anyone is spelling it wrong, it's Americans.",
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"content": "I wish there was a lot more to the analysis. I don't know how much \"software\" comes into this. It's mostly pattern recognition and data analysis, and I didn't find the evidence all that conclusive, personally. The most convincing aspect is probably the retweet within 1 second pattern. But for a person who tweets 80 times a day, 5 close retweets over several years seems like a stretch. Perhaps Jack met up with the person behind End Wokeness and they coordinated tweets together. It's not unlikely that they're just that obsessed with retweeting each other. Because I mean... 80 tweets a day is insane.\n\nBut I mean, sure, they're probably the same person. But it wasn't nearly as in-depth as I'd like.",
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"content": "Westerners trying really hard not to call Russians subhuman",
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"content": ">see post in VaushV talking about racism towards Russians \n>look in comments \n>half of them deleted because of bigotry\n\nWe should talk about this more often. This seems a really efficient way to get the racist bloodlust libs banned out of the community.",
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"content": "Yes, do the anti-rich bigots next",
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"content": "If hating the rich makes someone bigoted then this sub is a klan rally pal.\n\nYou should maybe go back to the NAFO sub where freaks like you belong.",
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"content": "We should maybe focus on why this happened and what democrats should do differently?",
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"content": "If I’m being honest, I think it’s because lot of democrats didn’t vote this time around.\n\nThey probs got optimistic due to the polls and the media.\n\nFor 2020, lot of democrats voted because of Trump in office and how crucial it was to send him home, but they probably got too cozy this year.",
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"content": "Democrats need to be re-educated.\n\nThis lesser of two evils shit needs to be stopped. We don't vote for the lesser of two evils, we vote for the best viable option we have at the time. \nIt doesn't matter that the last election was the most important of your life. Have you never had to diet? You don't get results from eating salad at one meal. \nVoting once shouldn't make you complacent. Show up every election. We don't make progress to a better America in one day.",
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"content": "Ngl I feel like The reason why the midterms was imoortant because republicans had a EXTREMELY HUGE change of winning and had a feeling the Biden government might be threatened.",
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"content": "Honestly, I am really happy that she is doing this. They are incredibly important to win over and help boost her chances against Trump even higher. This is an actual good move and I am glad Tim Walz has done it as well. \n",
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"content": "Coalition-building? Incredible!\n\nHonestly, this alone is why I am way more optimistic that 2024 will be a repeat of 2008, not 2016. It really annoys me that she has pivoted to the center after the DNC, but honestly. . . this is how you win elections in a democratic system. Republicans who vote for a Democrat are giving more power to the Democratic party for an election cycle to move the discourse toward the left. If we want universal healthcare, taxpayer-funded education, etc. this is how you do it.",
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"content": "Oh yeah. Nothing like deporting more people then your GOP predecessor, going to Central America to tell asylum seekers to not come to the US to claim asylum, going along with the reactionary narrative that asylum seeker's existence in America is somehow a problem, building a border wall after spending 4 years appropriately calling it a racist policy, and then following through with deporting migrants at the border without a hearing or trial. That will surely get us closer to having Medicare-For-All, and taxpayer-funded college and vocational school/s. All we need is another endorsement from a war criminal and his fucking failure of a daughter and surely this election is in the bag/s.\n\nYou unironically think 2008-2016 is something to be desired. Obama's election, the racist backlash to it, the Wall Street bail outs, the immiseration of working class homeowners of which many STILL HAVEN'T RECOVERED, the War on Teror that went for 14 years at that time being called \"The Forever War\": these things alone caused millions of voters to check out, and millions of others to vote for Trump after having voted for Obama TWICE. \n\nI don't want a repeat of 2016 in 2032 after you have your repeat of 2008 in 2024. Sorry, liberal. that's a no-go for me. Thank God you're not employed by Kamala's campaign. If this is the kind of shit you say for free; I'd hate to hear what you say when getting paid like Megan McArdle.",
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"content": "Trump wants to deport 10 million to 20 million immigrants, and as we get closer to November their definition of which immigrants they will deport seems to be including legal immigrants. Kamala Harris needs to be way, way worse than \"effectively ethnic cleansing\" to be as bad as Trump.\n\nIn addition, your facts seem very selectively chosen. Biden has deported more potential immigrants, yes, while also deporting a smaller percentage than Trump did. Why? Honestly, this is an item I would like to see added to the Vaush Ultimate Research Document because the border gets so much discussion and I want to ask so so many more questions - at every level. \"What is a border crossing? What happens when someone crosses the border and they are returned to their country or Mexico? Critically, why do they get deported?\"\n\nThese answers really matter because if - for instance - border crossings went up during the Biden administration _because_ Biden's admin is trying to adopt a less punishing approach to immigration, that is going to create a mirage where Dems always look worse on the border by certain metrics because they are expected to be less inhumane. Also, the President does not decide how much money is allocated to border enforcement; Congress does. If, as I suspect, the key issue is that more money needs to be allocated for judges and lawyers and the legal system that allows immigrants in, then once again Congress can leave the president hanging and we reflexively blame him for their failures.\n\nI don't know why Biden built more on the border wall. My default position is that I am against it, for all the same reasons I was against it when Trump did it. I'm sure there's more information out there to help me understand why, but for now I don't like it. I could have been more vocal and politically active over the last four years to make my displeasure known. But also, it is a dishonest smear to make me personally responsible for all the bad things Harris and Biden have done - particularly because I haven't voted for them and that is the metric by which you are throwing me under the bus.\n\nBut in your own comment history, you have declared that you are ready to be shamed for causing Harris to lose with your criticism. So, since that is the level you are operating on yourself, I'll oblige. You are personally responsible for whatever happens if Trump wins.\n\nEDIT: I was too hostile at the end.",
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"content": ">Biden has deported more potential immigrants, yes, while also deporting a smaller percentage than Trump did.\n\nBiden deported 4.4 million migrants compared to Trump's 1.5 million - according to the Migration Policy Institute. \n\nDo you dispute this number?",
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"content": "I'm not going to dispute the numbers. But I will argue that the meaning behind those numbers is up for debate. Per the [AP News](https://apnews.com/article/immigration-biden-border-title-42-mexico-asylum-be4e0b15b27adb9bede87b9bbefb798d), the majority of those deportation were Title 42, started under Trump to deal with the contagion issue introduced by immigration during the pandemic. According to the linked article, Biden tried to repeal Title 42 in 2022, but was blocked by Republicans who argued it was still necessary.\n\nThis is precisely what I am trying to communicate about how complicated these things are. I'm not persuaded Biden did the right thing in regard to the border, but he isn't the only decision maker in the equation. If Republicans were trying to block the repeal of Title 42 specifically to make Biden look bad to his base, you are a victim of information warfare - of Republicans creating negative policy and then blaming it on Biden.\n\nAnd also, I must point out that the article specifies that Title 42 expulsions did not ban or prevent individuals from trying to re-enter the country again. So, is it possible that that large number is just repeats - the same 500k that tried to cross the border multiple times? These numbers have a lot of wiggle room for interpretation, and I would argue it's a research project for either one of us to fully grasp the immigration system well enough for these numbers to be meaningful.\n\nEDIT: For instance, even in the definition of \"deportation\" there are some who are forcibly returned to their country of origin and there are some who voluntarily leave or discontinue their application to immigrate. A lot of articles conflate the two or make no distinction, but that is a huge distinction.",
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"content": "I can think of at least three:\n\nIndia: Fascist BJP gets less seats compared to Congress and their alliance \n\nFrance: Left coalition wins against both centrists and fascist RN\n\nUK: Labour wins against Conservatives\n\nAre there any other good elections results around the world that are notable? \n",
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"content": "The UK election results being \"good\" is pretty dubious.\n\nMexico had a very positive result.",
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"content": "Tories getting out was objectively good",
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"content": "Yeah, but we replaced them with red tories. The tories are gone but austerity continues, authoritarian anti-protest laws continue, trans people continue to lose their rights, Labour want to reduce immigration and deport more people.",
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"content": "Bro calling Labour red tories tells me you got your knowledge of British politics from Vaush and a couple of headlines. Labour is not as left as we'd like but saying they are tories in a different color is simply ridiculous",
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"content": "Are you British?",
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"content": "No. But that's not relevant is it",
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"content": "Have you been paying attention to what's been going on in the past few days with Labour continuing the two child benefit cap - suspending MPs who voted to scrap the cap - and promising tax rises and/or spending cuts to reduce the debt? We got rid of the tories but austerity is continuing.",
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"content": "Yes. And I'm not going to judge a government by what it does in the first few weeks. We'll have five years for that. They already ended the planes to Rwanda, they will take climate change seriously, pledges to expand housing and many more. Once again they're not great but you can't call them red tories",
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"content": "Well I am going to judge a government that is unnecessarily keeping hundreds of thousands of children in poverty and continuing the austerity that has brought our public services to their knees.\n\nWe have local elections every year and if Labour keeps this up they are massively undermining how many councils they're going to win. We can expect the Greens to massively increase their seats again.",
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"content": "How dare a young man cries for his dad! Don't you know men are suppose to be unfeeling monsters! In all serious though I hope the right keeps this weird attack up. It shows how inhuman and unnatural their view of manhood is.",
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"content": "I agree it makes them look terrible, but I hope it dies off. No kid should have to deal with hordes of psychos across the country coming after them.",
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"content": "At the end of the day, he gets to have Tim Walz as his dad. He still wins.",
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"content": "So true",
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"content": "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0ik5oVv9ug](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0ik5oVv9ug) \n\n[https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4757918-joe-biden-donald-trump-swing-states-bloomberg-morning-consult-survey/](https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4757918-joe-biden-donald-trump-swing-states-bloomberg-morning-consult-survey/)\n\nhttps://preview.redd.it/a63q7js44zad1.png?width=628&format=png&auto=webp&s=647b3e1c6e2e3ee9886785133017fdb24c96823d\n\nCan anyone comment as to the authenticity and tract record of this particular poll? I'll take the good news regardless",
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"content": "It’s one poll. The net aggregate still has him well down in all of those states. None of this is good news lol. Even here’s he’s only ahead in Michigan and Wisconsin",
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"content": "ok what if he continues to poll better from here on out? what would you think?",
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"content": "I would think that you’re dreaming up hypothetical scenarios and cherry-picking polls (which still forecast a loss) to cope",
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"content": "I wonder if you’d still be this doomer if it’s October and the aggregate polls completely show biden winning?",
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"content": "Since the people on this post are using polls as data, all polls we have show a Biden loss. ALL OF THEM. Record low approval ratings and falling, record low election odds and falling. You wanna talk polls? Those are the fucking polls.\n\nI’m pointing at the data we have, you’re imagining non-existent future data. You guys are talking about polls. Me acknowledging the polls THAT EXIST is not doomerism, *it is the data.* You are so deep in cope that you have to imagine fake data to stay sane.",
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"content": "Im just saying i wonder if Biden manages against all odds to completely dominate the polls you’ll be on here singing his praises? Or will you still say ‘nope hes losing, no way, no how’\n\nFor now, ill concede you’re correct this probably is just copium. But i choose to be hopeful regardless of the polls. I gotta be for my own sanity. And that energy can also inspire others if you ever attend political rallies or something. Its infectious.",
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"content": "Yeah dude, as we’ve established, I base my worldview on reality and data; you don’t. No, I wouldn’t be singing his praises, tf? Would you? If biden’s odds of winning were higher, then yes they would be higher. Even you say “against all odds,” lol. This is like a Christian saying “I bet you’d believe in God if he incontrovertibly revealed himself to you! Ha! Suck on that atheist!”",
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"content": "First of all calm down bro lol.\n\nWhat im trying to say is that I want to win. If its gotta be biden and he gets us across the finish line im all for it. If he does have to step down and let kamala im all for that. If we have to have an open convention and any of the other dems secure the nomination im all for that.\n\nSo thats where im at. Regardless of who the nominee is we must unite to defeat Trump. Defeating Trump is priority number one. \n\nIll also bring up that as most of us know by now that polls don’t predict anything really. They are showing where we are at right now at this current time but that still doesn’t mean for sure that Trump wins. 2022 we were supposed to get a red wave, that didn’t happen, 2016 we were supposed to get Hilary, that didn’t happen. 2012 obama bombed his debate against mitt romney and yet he still won.\n\nSo due to all of this im not convinced biden is for sure going to lose. I am concerned don’t get me wrong, but i think ultimately we will prevail whoever our candidate is.\n\nSo thats it.",
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"content": "Look dude, i have already seen the light and the prophecy has been revealed to me. Dems will win bigly. Bigly. But Biden won’t be the one on the ticket. In order to fulfill our destiny, we must…remove the mad emperor. If this is not accomplished, we’re dead.",
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"content": "For all you not watching the speech rn, Biden is not stepping down, and he referred to Kamala as “vice president trump”",
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"content": "I’m not looking at the press conference, just looking at some NYT commentary.\n\nThis particular comment is something I agree with,\n\n“Biden’s ability to speak in detail about policy highlights something important: No one has clearly shown that he is losing his grasp on the substance of his job. His problems are mainly to do with public speaking, appearance and fatigue.”\n\nAnd that last part is a big issue. It’s not just the matter of how good and coherent your policy is. Or that you can do the job as President. It’s also about **looking** like you can.\n\nI think Biden **can** do the job, but does he look it? No no no, not to independents, and not to a lot of Americans. Which is Giga important.",
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"content": "He’s almost 80 years old at the toughest job in the world - he cannot do the job and it’s lunacy to pretend otherwise. The man, by his own admission, can’t stay up past 8p.\n\nThis is a toddler not a President.",
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"content": "Obama made dinner at 6pm and slept after, the 8pm comments from the administration was referring to public appearances",
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"content": "Man…",
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"content": "Brace yourselves the attacks are gonna be nasty af!",
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"content": "Yeah we all saw this coming from a mile away. Because these people have only gotten *more* insane over time, it might even end up being nastier than it was when they were acting like this towards Michelle and Barack Obama.",
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"content": "Of course. She's a woman AND black-ish.",
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"content": "Biden strong return",
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"content": "I can't for the life of me figure out what that last sentence means. “Give him second in a funeral the polls I'll vote”? What does that mean 😭",
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"content": "Give him a funeral, second in the polls",
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"content": "My brain was not processing it at all. Thank you.",
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"content": "I have NEVER in my entire life seen the Democratic Party as united and lockstep as today. Harris fundraising numbers are astronomical.\n\nTrumps campaign fucked up with Vance and anti-old angle. \n\nWith abortion as an issue, Harris might not be as encumbered electorally by being a woman, and tbh she’s been killing it in speeches. \n\nRepublicans malding. Thank you Joe. We can do this. ",
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"content": "Vaush and other left pundits have been saying versions of my theory for a while: \n\nThe vast majority of Americans are sick of Donald Trump's annoying shit and want to not have to think about politics again (and, of course, there's the 30ish percent of weirdos like us who make it a point to vote).. Kamala, as a functional adult, represents the ability to make politics boring and not annoying anymore. That alone is a monstrous boon; add the post-Dobbs anger, Trump's deteriorating brain and ever-inscrutable web of conspiracies, his Peter Thiel-sponsored Homunclous VP, Kamala's demographic edges and relatively difficult-to-smear history and there's a really good chance we snatched victory from defeat on Sunday. \n\nI feel excited about electoral politics for the first time since...2012, maybe? I've forgotten what hope feels like. I think a lot of you guys might have too.",
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"content": "I agree with what you're saying, but what about the other left pundits and communities who now think AOC and Bernie are traitors and sellouts to the DNC elite, and because Gaza is the only issue they seem to care about, they won't vote for anyone who has been in or around the Biden administration.",
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"content": "Well, don't get me wrong, Gaza is important. But if your answer is 'don't vote' when it comes to Gaza and Trump gets elected, have fun a. having Gaza utterly obliterated and b. also having issues go to hell here domestically.\n\nI have really filtered out the screeching contrarian types from my media feed...and besides, people with that mentality are very, very few in number.",
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"content": "You are a redditor in a political subreddit, having a conversation with another redditor about politics.",
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"content": "The right's attacks against Waltz are pathetic. They really have nothing",
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"content": "They are all over social media trying to pretend that walz is cooked and that they will replace him with Shapiro next week. Its very funny",
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"content": "They're so embarrassed about Vance that they're trying to do a \"no you\"",
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"content": "Apparently so",
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"content": "Man…",
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"content": "50% of Trump and the GOPs brainpower is going to be dedicated to not calling her the N word for 3 months.",
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"content": "And some of them undoubtedly failing.",
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"content": "Especially Trump. There is no way that man with even less mental capacity than a goldfish (they can learn tricks) is going to be capable of not calling her the N-word",
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"content": "I don’t even think Vaush has gotten this many viewers on a livestream in forever",
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"content": "it was before I started watching but I think he got way more on Jan 6",
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"content": "That was a rather unique stream to be fair",
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"content": "And one of the main two presidential candidates dropping out right before election time isn't lol",
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"content": "Is the gas leak in TYT ever gonna get solved? Because I think they went across a point of no return...",
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"content": "This is a rare TYT W through the gas leak. Cenk is actually not wrong here, the Trump campaign got handed an incredible propaganda tool.",
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"content": "He doesn't have to help the Trump campaign though. All I see is a feckless liar and criminal pantomiming strength for his dumbfuck audience after suffering the consequences of his own actions.",
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"content": "so, you want them to lie and say it wasn't bad ass? I thought the point of real journalism is to be objective.",
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"content": "Vaush’s entire crusade, (strong and purposeful word choice), against Biden has been a brutal spiral after the debate. The entire time that Biden had been president Vaush has always brought up his age at improper or useless times, and honestly seems to care more about Biden dropping out than winning against Trump. And while those may be connected, the surface level analysis just seems to show Vaush hates Biden and will not accept any evidence that doesn’t back up his opinion or interpret everything in bad faith. (The keys to the presidency reaction, Bernies’s endorsement, AOC’s endorsement).",
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"content": "The keys are akin to divining the future by tossing chicken bones, yall really need to take the L on simping for that dude with the \"one weird trick to predict elections\"\nDude won a coinflip multiple times, who gives an actual fuck.\n\nYou shouldve hated Biden long before the debate, dude helped enable an ongoing ethnic cleansing.\n\nEvery argument he has made for biden dropping out has been to help us win against trump so please stop acting like thats not the goal.\n\nYour surface level analysis then is just that, surface.\n\nWhat improper/useless times was Biden's age brought up? Dude's brain is melting in real time, wtf is this rewriting of the past 2 years? His age has been a problem since the beginning.",
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"content": "Dude had shit aim",
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"content": "Dude came millimeters from killing the president in a pressure situation from over a football field away with no scope. Please stop revealing how ignorant you are.",
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"content": "I'd like to see exactly what optics he had if any but that is normally an extremely easy shot from that distance",
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"content": "Iron sights with a cross-wind under pressure. A cop trying to get up on the roof and snipers looking straight at him. Please stop this.",
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"content": "He also got 8 rounds off, none of which came anywhere near his target. Guy just sucked ass at shooting",
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"content": "You’re not making yourself look cool by Monday morning quarterbacking an assassination attempt. You just look silly.",
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"content": "My limited understanding in firearms tells me that a rifle at ~100m might as well be a pistol at point blank.\n\nBesides, you aren't even arguing with me but a jarhead who has seen real action. I think you should just lay off the issue and talk about something else.",
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"content": "You’re the one responding to something I haven’t replied to in 11 hours. What you said is silly, and only silly, unserious people would say it. If Trump hadn’t turned his head, he would be dead. You can’t call the person who did that a bad shot. Shut up.",
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"content": "Le Pen calls for cancellation of authorisation for Ukraine to use French weapons to strike Russia",
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"content": "I don't really get the far-right's support for Russia. Is it just funding and money from Putin? For most of the 20th century Russia was the bogeyman of the Western right. And yet now they're friends?",
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"content": "> Is it just funding and money from Putin?\n\nMore than that, its *support*. The far right in every nation loves the bot farms and astroturfing russia does in their favor. They both lack the sophistication to do it themselves while *also* not wanting to have it tied back to them directly.\n\nHe gives them everything a politian could ever want: Money, Support, and Plausible Deniability.",
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"content": "This is part of why why it's so important to support Ukraine until we can collapse Russia's economy. Of course, the largest part of the reason is that helping Ukraine is the right thing to do.",
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"content": "Who would be better than Kamala in Kyle's mind? Did he share his first pick?",
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"content": "I personally preferred Hillary over Kamala. I think Hillary would have been the best, but Kamala is a good choice.",
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"content": "Friend of Vaush is not supporting Kamala and voting for Jill Stein instead. More leftist infighting and bridge burning?",
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"content": "I wish Jill Stein would pass from this mortal realm already so dumb \"leftists\" can stfu about voting for that Russian shill.",
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"content": "I hate Jill Stein too. Especially when she pretends to care about Palestine but is absolutely monstrous on Ukraine. Not to mention the Green Party has literally done almost jack shit on a local level.",
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"content": "Tankies, the whole party is loathsome tankies.",
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"content": "You are a redditor in a political subreddit, having a conversation with another redditor about politics.",
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"content": "LET US BE UNBURDENED BY WHAT HAS BEEN",
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"content": "Have an ice cream jack...",
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"content": "Like I said elsewhere, let’s give Joe Biden a train and he can tour America promoting transit. We can call it rail force one.",
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"content": "[Obligatory Tom Scott video.](https://youtu.be/C2NNujJKJL4)\n\nUnfortunately the it was called “US Car Number 1”, though it predates Air Force One by many years and if we made it today it would totally be called Rail Force One",
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"content": "Rep. Adam Smith - \"Joe Biden was not picked in 2020 because he was the only person that could beat Donald Trump. He was picked because he was the only person that could beat Bernie Sanders.\"",
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"content": "Bernie was gonna beat Biden til everyone realized that, dropped out, and endorsed Biden. He was way down until then.",
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"content": "Well, yeah, but that wasn't exactly hard to see coming. Bernie was the main progressive candidate, all the other ones were centrists, of course they would endorse another centrist. I think there is way too much cope about Bernies chances in 2020, it was always a longshot in the hope of the centrists not getting their shit together for most of the primary, but unfortunately they did.",
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"content": "Bernie got an important Senate committee seat. He's since lost that seat last year. Better than nothing - I guess. He got a committee during the most unproductive and lowest approval rating Congress of all time.",
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"content": "I know all the talk right now is focused on Biden's mental faculties, but let's not forget that on the other side there's a 78-year-old fat guy.\n\nWhat happens if he croaks? What does the GOP do? What do the Dems do? Does this encourage the Dems to drop Buden since both sides would then have a new candidate?\n",
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"content": "All his supporters will unironicaly claim he was murdered",
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"content": "or still alive",
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"content": "How many of them do you think we could get to still vote for Trump if that happens?",
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"content": "Enough for him to come at least fourth in the popular vote, behind Kennedy but maybe ahead of the third parties.",
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"content": "Imagine Kennedy doing worse than a literal fucking corpse lmfao",
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"content": "Very funny they picked a guy with 0 Charisma and 300 pounds of baggage that is not gonna interest republican women.",
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"content": "Small pool to choose from when VP pick has to be okay with being asked to do illegal shit and getting thrown under the bus if he doesn't.",
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"content": "If by \"thrown under the bus\" you mean \"sacrificed to the lynch mob\", then yes.",
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"content": "yes like probably thrown under a literal bus.",
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"content": "She's walking on eggshells, not wanting to leak DMs so to speak, but the general vibe I'm getting is that if Biden drops out, we're not getting Harris, there's no unified plan, and everyone in the party is gonna be pushing for their own interests, culminating in an open convention and it's going to be a shitshow.\n\nNow maybe she really is out of the loop and there is a plan being developed, but if that's the case I can't exactly criticize her for being kept in the dark. I know I have zero faith in the Dem leadership to get shit done, why should I expect this time to be different.\n\nI would love to get a Harris/Buttigieg or Harris/Shapiro ticket come November, but if the Dems don't want Harris on the ticket for whatever reason then honestly I think we would be better off with Biden.",
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"content": "I actually came to the sub to say this. \n\nI think the DNC has officially outplayed her by keeping her OOTL. She’s wound up going against both the party and good electoralism by their design and this is the chance they’ll seize on to purge the squad.\n\nThe best thing she could’ve done was say nothing.",
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"content": "Maybe, but again you're assuming that the leadership actually has a plan and I don't think that's a fair assumption to make.",
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"content": "They don’t have a plan besides icing “uppity” progressives out. In any case, this was embarrassing and horrible. She was rambling like a moron and seems to be stuck in the Washington bubble, contrary to what she kept suggesting.",
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"content": "He's been getting a lot of criticism recently, mostly deserved criticism but I feel like he also deserves our respect. \n\nLet's be honest: most pro-labor president in decades, most productive presidency since LBJ, taking action against big pharma, investments in green energy, regaining the trust of America's allies and so on...long story short, he's the best president America's had in generations. And he deserves praise for it. And now he's willing to step back from the presidency to make sure Trump doesn't win (hopefully not because of other more sinister reasons). For all these I think he deserves respect.\n\nI don't want to meatride Biden, I think him deciding to run for a second term was the original bad idea, but what the Democrat establishment has done to him is also disgusting. They were well aware of his state, but still backed him completely, refusing to even hold a real primary, making it clear that Biden would be the nominee. This whole primary thing wasn't just Biden's stubbornness, it was also the DNC completely backing him. And now after one bad debate performance, the whole establishment turned on Biden and forced him out of the race ~3 months before the election.\n\nI hope this was the right choice, but we'll see in November. Now the dems need to unite behind one nominee, and they need to do it fast.",
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"content": "Baby killers don’t deserve respect. The fuck shit is this",
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"content": "You're saying this as if the babies would be still alive had Biden not become president",
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"content": "These people aren't worth engaging with.\n\nThey have no idea how the levers of the Federal Goverment work. Brandon fucked up with Palestine. But saying he likes to kill babies is fucking insane.",
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"content": "Who gave them the bombs. Who vetoed the UN. Who pressured the Arab powers. Who did it.",
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"content": "Biden personally captained the cargo ships, and personally vetoed the UN, and personally ate those babies.\n\nAgain, he fucked up with Palestine.\n\nBut you have no idea how you'd handle it.",
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"content": "Yes he is the commander and chief he literally is the captain of the supplying the bombs. And in charge of the people in the UN vetoing. This division in responsibility you are trying to make is sick and twisted\n\nThat was weird something is happening to Reddit",
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"content": "Don't call me sick and twisted when you literally have no idea how you'd handle the situation. Idk how many times I have to say I critique JB for the Palestine response too.\n\nBut tell me, how would you handle it?",
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"content": "\"how would you handle it\" is a super lame argument... Like, it's not our jobs to handle it. Biden is responsible for allowing some horrendous decisions to go through during this conflict. he took the presidency upon himself and we expect better of a \"progressive\" candidate.",
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"content": "Personally I disagree. I think if you're gonna say Brandon is a baby killer with no inkling of how else it could be handled appropriately takes the gusto out of your argument",
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"content": "In case anyone missed it, as Sunak left office, Hilary Cass was made a Peer of the House of Lords. Very effective grifting on her part, she'll get £500 a day for the rest of her life.",
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"content": "Labour may abolish the house of lords if I'm not mistaken so that paycheck may not be as secure as she thinks.",
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"content": "> Labour may abolish the house of lords if I'm not mistaken\n\nYou're mistaken.",
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"content": "Well looking into it a bit more it seems they probably won't do it this term, but may if they get re-elected. \n\nThis term it seems they will instead reform it by abolishing the hereditary lords and reducing the number of members to start with. I still have some hope that they will abolish it eventually, but it's hard to trust centrists to do the right thing sadly.",
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"content": "LOL!\n\nThey've been talking about lords reform and abolishing the lords for over a hundred years now.\n\nThey aren't going to do it.",
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"content": "Well, call me foolish but I still have hope they will reform and eventually abolish it.",
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"content": "Looks like it’s happening.",
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"content": "NO NO NO NO NO NO JOE CANNOT DO THAT WE WILL LOSE IF HE LEAVES",
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"content": "Give it up blue maga\n\nEdit: getting downvoted for calling out the crazies who want to go down with the ship instead of steering it away from the iceberg and recourse it to coconut tree island.",
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"content": "Shutup Fascism allower",
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"content": "https://epgn.com/2024/07/05/western-pennsylvania-trans-girl-killed-dismembered/\n\nI know this isn't explicitly Vaush content, but I feel like this community is very trans rights oriented. This horrible crime is not being tried as a hate crime and I haven't seen the story gain much traction outside the local news. Justice for Pauly",
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"content": "\"Acker, the prosecutor, said Likens’ death is one of the worst crimes he’s seen in 46 years as an attorney. But he cautioned against calling it a hate crime. “PSP \\[Pennsylvania State Police\\] does not believe it in fact is one \\[hate crime\\] because the defendant admitted to being a homosexual and the victim was reportedly a trans girl,” Acker asserted\"\n\nOof.",
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"content": "That prosecutor is a dumbass. Just because the killer is gay does NOT mean it wasn’t a hate crime. Gay men can be transphobic too (especially them, honestly).",
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"content": "I think that's like the most charitable interpretation of that too, claiming they're part of the same 'community' despite the fact that we all know LGBTQ people aren't a monolith.\n\nThe other way to take is trans women = man and he gay so that's why this shit all happened.\n\nJust all in all, oof.",
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"content": "AFUERA!",
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"content": "why are we unironically reposting tankies here. The numbers aren't even accurate.",
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"content": "The 271% is Argentina’s annual inflation, from what I can tell the number is accurate",
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"content": "yeah I trust that one, capitalist libertarianism does suck ass, but the Venezuela number is quite inaccurate. Wouldn't expect otherwise from a tankie tho lol",
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"content": "Oh I thought you were talking about Argentina, I didn’t check the Venezuela number\n\nEdit: ok so I looked it up and this source seems pretty good: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1392610/average-inflation-rate-venezuela/\n\nAnd yeah the 51% is no where close to reality. It’s funny, I didn’t even think to check it because 51% is still…you know…*horrific* inflation, so I just sort of glazed over it. Like 51% no matter the context is not a flex. But compared to the reality 51% is downright utopian.",
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"content": "didn't happen and if it happened it's the west's fault /s",
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"content": "‘Trump Raped Her’: Dark Brandon woke up for a bit. ",
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"content": "He needs to grow some balls and talk about the Epstein shit man",
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"content": "Fuck talking about it, just send the feds and arrest him and Clinton, I will unironically wear a “only one side is against pedophiles” shirt",
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"content": "As someone whose first presidential vote ever was cast for Bill Clinton, I fucking agree wholeheartedly. I will buy that t-shirt, too.",
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"content": "Is Beshear out we’ve heard about so many people going to DC to meet Kamala Harris but not Beshear is he out?",
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"content": "What do we do if it's Shapiro? Is it just simply jover again?",
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"content": "For me it is.",
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"content": "So we just give up and accept defeat? Because people are saying that Harris won't win with Shapiro. If so, why bother?",
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"content": "If it makes you feel better me n my homies are in a blue state, so us voting 3rd party won't hurt chances much. \n\nIf I was in a swing state I d vote Kamala but be very pissed about her VP choice.",
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"content": "It would not hurt her chances much Shapiro it will hurt Gen z wanting to vote for Harris plus it would show she won’t be a progressive and it’s back to 2010 dems sadly which is the biggest loss and why I beg she doesn’t pick him it will show she won’t want to governor and be like Obama if we lose it wouldn’t be because She picked Shapiro but it would be optically the worst pick and I would fill I’ll while voting for her",
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"content": "I know the meme of \"polls are of the devil\" but they are still the base gage for public sentiment on certain topics and when it's often --not always--in favor of the right \nIn 2022 the polls were accurate. Nationally the underestimated republicans by less than half a point. The pundits talking didn't look at the actual polls they went off feelings, their vibes.\n\n\nI've seen too many people reject them wholesale on here and other left wing spaces and figures like MAGA.\nThis attitude makes it impossible to course correct--which we need to. ",
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"content": "People also interpret \"the polls\" as a monolith without analysis of any particular polls. I guarantee you most people have seen headlines of polls and taken an opinion without actually looking at them, and, obviously, basically no one has done any kind of mathematical analysis of what \"the polls\" show.",
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"content": "All I know is that Trump is ahead by significant numbers and that is a guy that has never lead in the polls before, I think with Clinton it was almost even, against Biden in 2020 he was behind for most of the year but the election ended up being decided by just over a hundred thousand votes in the swing states, this time he has been leading Biden in almost all polls and pretty significantly too, with significant leads in the swing states, even some non swing states like Virginia and Minnesota, things just don’t look good for Biden and he is extremely unpopular, the signs of a Trump landslide are there even if you don’t believe in polls.\n\n The truth is his age issues to voters have been a thing since 2022 and even 2020 to many people but a ton of people were tired of Trump by then and the pandemic played a role too, back to Biden’s age issues, it’s the one thing I’ve been hearing a lot from people since last year, before he even ran again but I always assumed his goal was to be a one term president so I didn’t think it would matter for this race, oh how wrong I was, clearly his ego doesn’t seem to let him just step aside and he seems to be willing to let the country fall to fascism if it means he stays in the race.",
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"content": "“just step aside and he seems to be willing to let the country fall to fascism if it means he stays in the race.”\nEven if loses so long as he does the goodest job he knows he can it’s alright. Because that’s what really matters",
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"content": "> Even if loses so long as he does the goodest job he knows he can it’s alright.\n\nI wonder what country he expects his family to flee to?",
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"content": "They’re rich and white—he expects nothing will hurt them and they don’t either.",
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"content": "So on a scale of 1-10, how doomed are we",
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"content": "3/10. I still believe we can win if Biden stays.\n\nGo ahead and downvote me all you want but I truly do believe it. \n\nIll also say that if Biden ultimately does decide to leave then Kamala should be our only other option to win. I don’t support an open convention.",
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"content": "What do you think the path to victory is? He was down in the national popular vote polls pre debate, when he barely eked out a victory in the electoral college last time despite winning by like 4%. He was also losing in every swing state. Now, he is going further down. I don't see what event propels Biden back up in the polls to a point where he's competitive by the election? I genuinely don't think any October surprise could get Trump voters to not vote for him, either. He's already tried once to become a dictator and is openly trying again. If you're still voting for him after that, literally nothing will stop you from voting for him.\n\nI think if Biden is the nominee they really have to at least try and save the House and Senate from being a Trump trifecta.",
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"content": "I just flat out don’t trust the polls. I think biden is vastly underestimated and i feel there’s a chance that not only do we win but win big all up and down the ballot. Im not looking at his campaigning as much but i how he has done as a president. His governance overall is what I believe will propel us to victory. And im getting continuous news that the huge speech trump gave at the rnc did nothing to bring in anyone new to his party. \n\nCall me crazy, deluded, whatever you like. But come December i think we’ll look back and see retrospectively why this was always the right path forward all along at least at this point in the race.",
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"content": "“Legal_Dragonfruit\nI just flat out don’t trust the polls. ”\n\nAnti empiricism isn’t more reasonable when on the left.",
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"content": "It’s just as unreasonable to make sweeping conclusions based on a poll or two of a thousand people each.",
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"content": "I have NEVER in my entire life seen the Democratic Party as united and lockstep as today. Harris fundraising numbers are astronomical.\n\nTrumps campaign fucked up with Vance and anti-old angle. \n\nWith abortion as an issue, Harris might not be as encumbered electorally by being a woman, and tbh she’s been killing it in speeches. \n\nRepublicans malding. Thank you Joe. We can do this. ",
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"content": "Vaush and other left pundits have been saying versions of my theory for a while: \n\nThe vast majority of Americans are sick of Donald Trump's annoying shit and want to not have to think about politics again (and, of course, there's the 30ish percent of weirdos like us who make it a point to vote).. Kamala, as a functional adult, represents the ability to make politics boring and not annoying anymore. That alone is a monstrous boon; add the post-Dobbs anger, Trump's deteriorating brain and ever-inscrutable web of conspiracies, his Peter Thiel-sponsored Homunclous VP, Kamala's demographic edges and relatively difficult-to-smear history and there's a really good chance we snatched victory from defeat on Sunday. \n\nI feel excited about electoral politics for the first time since...2012, maybe? I've forgotten what hope feels like. I think a lot of you guys might have too.",
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"content": "I agree with what you're saying, but what about the other left pundits and communities who now think AOC and Bernie are traitors and sellouts to the DNC elite, and because Gaza is the only issue they seem to care about, they won't vote for anyone who has been in or around the Biden administration.",
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"content": "Well, don't get me wrong, Gaza is important. But if your answer is 'don't vote' when it comes to Gaza and Trump gets elected, have fun a. having Gaza utterly obliterated and b. also having issues go to hell here domestically.\n\nI have really filtered out the screeching contrarian types from my media feed...and besides, people with that mentality are very, very few in number.",
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"content": "Outcome in Gaza: \n\nThe Dems: genocide\nTrump: genocide, plus we bomb Iran and Lebanon. \n\nThe outcome of either for the Palestinian people is genocide. Trump and the other war hawks just want another excuse to feed another generation into a meat-grinder for the sake of making money for contractors.",
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"content": "The Dems: Genocide but we ask politely for it to stop or slow down maybe UwU, and we build a shitty dock to bring some food.\n\nTrump: I didn't think it would be this easy to get a genocide done! Can we use that dock to bring guns for Israel maybe? Also let's see what we can get done like that here at home!",
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"content": "The Young Turks are upset that the replacement candidate is not as progressive as they want, and are lashing out against the Democrat party.\n\nI would go as far (cringe possibly) to say that they genuinely do not care if Trump wins because if Trump wins they can make content about how bad everything is.",
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"content": ">The Young Turks are upset that the replacement candidate is not as progressive as they want, and are lashing out against the Democrat party.\n\nAnyone that thinks Joe Biden or Kamala Harris are \"leftists\" are morons. Doesn't matter who it is, if they say this shit, I'm going to call them a moron to their face. Because that's what they are.\n\nHowever, those morons vote, they're not just allowed to vote, they're encouraged to vote. If you can vote and don't vote; Trump wins. If you vote for a 3rd party candidate who obviously has no chance of winning; Trump wins. And if you don't vote for Kamala Harris because she's not left enough for you, you won't win. *You won't ever win.* If even after all of this, you have no idea who Trump is or what he's going to do, then all I can say is fuck you for being an insensate idiot.\n\nGoddamn TYT fell of ***hard.***",
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"content": "What is happening? ",
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"content": "Chaos lol",
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"content": "I'm in the Nothing Ever Happens camp. Biden is staying in.",
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"content": "Everyone who has seen a coup within a political party will tell you what's happening right now among the Dems' upper echelons is a coup.\n\nSure, coups can fail, but the idea that there is nothing taking place is just pure ignorance at this point.",
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"content": "I mean, things happen, but they turn out to be nothing burgers. Like the Trump Assassination attempt. Completely memory holed.",
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"content": "Yeah! Exactly. Like the insurrection! Like COVID. Like Russia invading Ukraine. Like Russia would ever be stupid enough to do that. And like Israel geocoding Palestinians. Like that would ever happen. *Nothing* ever happens afterall.",
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"content": "Insurrection was built up by a propaganda campaign declairing the election stolen, Covid was an act of nature and human stupidity, and the Russian-Ukrainian/Israel-Palestinian conflict has already been happening for decades.",
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"content": "Yes. They are things that happened/are happening/reached all-time highs of shit-fuckery.\n\nMy point is…stuff happens. Like, the very fact that someone attempted to assassinate Trump is pretty “something happened” to me. But maybe your bar is really high.",
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"content": "Dude's aim was \"dangerously\" bad. \"Terrible.\"",
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"content": "He got rejected from the rifle team and thought \"hmph I'll show them\".\n\nMuch like how Hitler got rejected from art school.\n\nOr how Ben Shapiro got rejected from Hollywood",
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"content": "Is it possible the assassination attempt wasn't politically motivated? Like he just wanted to be famous for killing someone famous?",
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"content": "That's what I'm thinking. If the rally wasn't in town it would've been a school or a concert",
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"content": "So glad we avoided such a tragedy, so many people would have slightly wounded ears.",
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"content": "He did kill a guy.",
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"content": "Vaush was on the spot when he said there wasn't much differnce between conservatives and Labour",
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"content": ">Former shadow chancellor John McDonnell, ex-business secretary Rebecca Long-Bailey, Apsana Begum, Richard Burgon, Ian Byrne, Imran Hussain and Zarah Sultana have been suspended from the parliamentary party.\n\nThe SNP ammendent was rejected 363-103",
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"content": "[image that sums this up perfectly ](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2024/jul/17/ella-baron-labour-two-child-benefit-cap-kings-speech-cartoon)",
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"content": "I get it you all want it to be someone else but it may still just be Joe biden in the end. He keeps saying he’s staying in too. So when the DNC happens and he’s officially nominated i sure hope we can all put aside our grievances and unite as one. Together we CAN beat Trump! \n\nSo are you still voting for him? Or are you giving up at that point?\n\n[View Poll](https://www.reddit.com/poll/1dyd390)",
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"content": "Obviously everyone is but it's not about leftists it's about undecided voters, independents.\n\nWhich is why everyone's pushing so hard for him to be replaced. It's not ideological or anything it's tactical.",
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"content": "it's not all that obvious. a lot of the discourse lately who have been understandably upset with Biden makes me wonder if some leftists might go the pauls ego route of voting third party or not voting at all.\n\n \nThankfully the poll is showing they aren't gonna do that for the most part. gotta be sure though.",
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"content": "Paulsego is a clown.",
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"content": "yes we all know he is but i hope there aren't many who think like him anymore",
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"content": "Anyone who listens to Paul rant for 65 minutes like an unhinged crack addict and agrees with him is also a bipolar doomer that had no hope of being convinced otherwise. The good thing is that there probably aren’t many Paulsegos running around.",
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"content": "He's been getting a lot of criticism recently, mostly deserved criticism but I feel like he also deserves our respect. \n\nLet's be honest: most pro-labor president in decades, most productive presidency since LBJ, taking action against big pharma, investments in green energy, regaining the trust of America's allies and so on...long story short, he's the best president America's had in generations. And he deserves praise for it. And now he's willing to step back from the presidency to make sure Trump doesn't win (hopefully not because of other more sinister reasons). For all these I think he deserves respect.\n\nI don't want to meatride Biden, I think him deciding to run for a second term was the original bad idea, but what the Democrat establishment has done to him is also disgusting. They were well aware of his state, but still backed him completely, refusing to even hold a real primary, making it clear that Biden would be the nominee. This whole primary thing wasn't just Biden's stubbornness, it was also the DNC completely backing him. And now after one bad debate performance, the whole establishment turned on Biden and forced him out of the race ~3 months before the election.\n\nI hope this was the right choice, but we'll see in November. Now the dems need to unite behind one nominee, and they need to do it fast.",
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"content": "Baby killers don’t deserve respect. The fuck shit is this",
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"content": "You're saying this as if the babies would be still alive had Biden not become president",
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"content": "These people aren't worth engaging with.\n\nThey have no idea how the levers of the Federal Goverment work. Brandon fucked up with Palestine. But saying he likes to kill babies is fucking insane.",
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"content": "Who gave them the bombs. Who vetoed the UN. Who pressured the Arab powers. Who did it.",
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"content": "Biden personally captained the cargo ships, and personally vetoed the UN, and personally ate those babies.\n\nAgain, he fucked up with Palestine.\n\nBut you have no idea how you'd handle it.",
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"content": "You are a redditor in a political subreddit, having a conversation with another redditor about politics.",
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"content": "I don’t want to get my hopes up but I just want the current will he drop discussions to end",
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"content": "god I hate the online left. Biden is the most effective lefty president of the last 50 years. He stopped our wars, got inflation and the economy back on track, made a big turn towards better climate change policy and united the west militarily. But we cannot unite behind him, because he isn't a good speaker.\n\nIt reminds me of Al Gore. Saving the world? No, let's vote for the corrupt warlord drunkard whose tax slashes for the rich we're still paying back. Because he is a better speaker.\n\nMeanwhile, the right unites behind Trump.\n\nYou guys suck ass and you're the reason we can't have good governance.",
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"content": "Don't forget that the last two elections the left screamed and yelled about how the DNC rig the primary but now it's okay to not even have a primary and just appoint somebody as the nominee.",
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"content": "Huh? Appointing Biden as the nominee is what the DNC did this year and most voices I've heard talking about it from the left aren't very happy about it",
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"content": "No they didn't they decided not to primary an incumbent not same thing.",
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"content": "That's just semantics, come on.",
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"content": "There are some prominent democrats who are asking Biden to step down. \n\nBut there are a few…surprisingly the ones who are the most influential in Democratic politics and who have been publicly floated as the most likely replacement should Biden step down who have not. \n\nNotice how Whitmer, AOC, Pritzker, Harris and Newsom all firmly stated that Biden must remain the nominee no matter what.\n\nWhat kind of conversation happens behind those closed doors that make them so sure of Biden when we all doubt him? \n\nI find that a bit strange that all those people go in that closed room and then come out in front of the cameras like they’ve seen a ghost and/or the holy grail. \n\nMaybe that Epstein stuff is real and something big is about to drop. \n\nMaybe Biden made a promise to his inner circle of confidents and competitors that the moment the election is won he’ll resign and we’ll have the first female president in history. \n\nI don’t know…\n\nI’ve been thinking about a lot of things lately and I’ve recently started taking very powerful and illegal substances that keep me awake days at a time. \n\nYet there’s one thing that I’m sure of. \n\nTrump will not be the nominee.",
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"content": "Nancy pelosi all but begged Biden to step down on morning joe today, and refused to accept the notion that Biden‘s decision to stay in is final. All of the action is happening behind the scenes. Only a small amount of it spills over into the public sphere everyday.",
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"content": "Dems are going to fuck up the swap ",
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"content": "The only way they fuck it up is if Biden fucks over Harris and makes it a open convention, which would make him the most hated man in the party if they lose. I despise Biden but I can’t see him destroying his legacy that blatantly",
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"content": "Biden has a better chance of winning than Harris. This country *is* that misogynistic and racist, and that is why Trump is able to be a nominee in the first place.\n\n\nBiden also has a better chance of winning if he shows he doesn't back down. His base will hate it - but the screwy independents who like to see the establishment get told to piss off will respect it.\n\n\nAn open convention and whatever nominee comes out of it will just be a flusterfuck that makes Trump look like a reasonably organized statesman by comparison.",
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"content": "According to polling that's simply not true.",
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"content": "You are a redditor in a political subreddit, having a conversation with another redditor about politics.",
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"content": "What is your biggest difference in opinion/disagreement from/with Vaush?",
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"content": "literally anything that isnt politics",
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"content": "I’m assuming you disliked his motorcycle take?",
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"content": "i take that back, Nearly anything that isnt politics.",
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"content": "If this is true and she gets rid of Lina khan we know what type of president Harris will be ",
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"content": "We don't know for sure what she will or won't do though. Lots of interpretations and speculations at this point.",
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"content": "That is true. My hope is that she will come onto the Harris administration and still be the head of the FTC. She is probably one of the best people from the Biden Administration and is exceptionally great at her job.",
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"content": "Agree.",
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"content": "Allan Lichtman, Mr. 13 Keys, just dropped his electoral map prediction",
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"content": "I gotta admit, Allan Lichtman is a quack but if he's right in the end he's right.",
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"content": "He's definitely a little wacky but at the end of the day I don't think he's malicious or anything",
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"content": "most grifters aren’t “malicious”",
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"content": "One has to be insincere to be a grifter I don't find Lichtman to fall under such a definition. I'm sure he's not doing it for altruistic reasons either, he's literally selling a book, but I'm not going to hold that against him.",
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"content": "how can you call him sincere when he’s constantly changing his story about what his predictions were to make it seem like he got more stuff right?",
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"content": "He didn't change his prediction. He's talked about this misconception repeatedly. \n\n\nHe's a very intelligent guy that even if you don't agree with his model it's so shitty to just attack his character. ",
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"content": "2000 election he predicted the popular vote but not the electoral college, so he claimed that his model only predicts the popular vote. then in 2016 he correctly predicted the electoral college but not the popular vote, and suddenly he claims he’s only been predicting the electoral college. 2024 he insists that Biden dropping out would guarantee a Trump victory (he said exactly that), then Biden drops out and Harris seems to be popular so suddenly he thinks Harris is gonna win anyway.\n\nanyone can get a strong track record on predicting the election, just by pure statistics, someone has to. Doesn’t mean there’s anything worthwhile about what he has to say. he came up with some fancy name for his system, calling it “keys” to make it sound more complicated, but they’re just a bunch of random things that he came up with and pretends is a rule of the universe. no, i don’t think he’s particularly intelligent. so why is this some unimpunable man whose character i can’t attack?\n\nedit: blocked",
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"content": "- 2000 election he predicted the popular vote but not the electoral college, so he claimed that his model only predicts the popular vote. then in 2016 he correctly predicted the electoral college but not the popular vote\n\n\nThis is completely false and he's made a specific video discrediting this. I'm not going to bother copying that and pasting it here so you can watch it if you're arguing in good faith but we both know you aren't. \n\n\n\n\n-2024 he insists that Biden dropping out would guarantee a Trump victory\n\n\nWrong. He said that this would be the case if there was a contested nomination which would cost the Dems another key when they already lost the incumbent key. No one expected it to be as smooth a transition to Harris and any claim otherwise is in bad faith.\n\n\n- no, i don’t think he’s particularly intelligent\n\n\nLol so he's just a highly regarded professor for 50 years because of his looks? Absolutely nonsensical. \n\n\n\n\nSeriously do you even bother listening to the guy? I like hearing his predictions and the reason behind it but I watch because he's such an intelligent guy and has really interesting insights with being as old as he is. ",
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"content": "I agree with this take. I have a PhD in a social science myself, and while I do have criticisms of Lichtman, none would be that he isn't intelligent or a grifter. My main issue with him is that he is a bit like Robert Cialdini, Fred Reichheld, or Geert Hostede, who all came up with interesting taxonomies for describing a phenomenon that do offer some genuine insight but grew into industries that seem to shift goal posts and deflect criticism by absorbing it and making it a feature, not a bug.",
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"content": "You are a redditor in a political subreddit, having a conversation with another redditor about politics.",
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"content": "LET US BE UNBURDENED BY WHAT HAS BEEN",
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"content": "It’s so Joever",
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"content": "It's not Joever.\n\nIt has Joenly just begun.",
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"content": "Harris campaign is that you",
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"content": "You are a redditor in a political subreddit, having a conversation with another redditor about politics.",
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"content": "We are so fucking back",
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"content": "Lol, \"colluded\" with another party.\n\nFascists can't possibly fathom the idea of someone just aligning with their values and supporting their agenda.",
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"content": "It's a little more complex than that. Macron and the left despise each other, but they both did not want the far right to govern unopposed, which was the most common outcome from polling (remember, polling is made by the devil).\n\nThe legislative elections here are a little bit weird, a rep can win 1st round if they earn over 50% of the votes in their constituency. If there is no absolute majority, then every candidate which has earned over 12.5% of the votes of every registered voter in their constituency can run for the 2nd round.\n\nMathematically, after the 1st round, the far right was the only party which could have earned an absolute majority (over half of the seats in the assembly). To avoid this, in many constituencies with 3 candidates, the candidate with the least amount of votes between the left and the center has resigned.\n\nI think that if the opposite situation had happened, where the NFP (especially if it was LFI in a strong position) which could have won the absolute majority, Macron's party would instead have formed alliances with the far right. They often demonize Mélenchon in particular as being worse than Le Pen. It had less to do with values, and more with trying to stop another party to govern entirely.\n\nI'm really happy about our win, but unfortunately it is not a very strong win and I think that we're not going to be able to pass much of anything at all in legislations, because the other groups will likely block most laws coming from the left. But it's still better than fascism.",
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"content": "Melenchon is anti NATO and anti Ukraine, he demonises himself.",
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"content": "You are a redditor in a political subreddit, having a conversation with another redditor about politics.",
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"content": "Electoral College Polling predictions",
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"content": "I think the RNC conference the other night + the VP pick may have actually hurt them.",
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"content": "Yeah. Not to mention the VP's wife (as expected, they arent happy she's brown), Amber Rose stuff (typical slut shaming/racism and the fact she came out as pro abortion AND a satanist back in the day, which is spreading on Twitter) and the removal of (obvious) anti-LGBTQ+ talking points (The Right are also not happy about this lol. Though, the owner of Grindr publicly stated that the RNC is a hotspot for the app lmao). I haven't even gone over the call leak of RFK Jr. admitting to working with Trump to get him votes. The Right is tearing each other apart. Some of the key lunatics that are being critical are Walsh and Fuentes unsurprisingly. I hope it's enough to squeak out a win, but I'm certainly less doomer now. I rather like having human rights, so I'd appreciate it if Project 2025 *didn't* come into fruition.",
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"content": "Yeah but think about all the white leftist dudes in like, new Hampshire who won't get to be smug about trump being \"just as bad\"\n\nDid ya consider that??",
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"content": "As a white leftist dude in New Hampshire there's not many people who are like that here (in my experience at least), the people who say that tend to either be moderates who are somewhat disconnected or tankie types. Theres not a lot of super left leaning people here and while there's a lot of lib types, the ones who aren't cons wearing a yellow mask tend to focus more on what rights trump will infringe on. On the other hand people can be dumb lol.",
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"content": "I just kinda threw out Mew Hampshire flippantly cause I had a specific friend of mine in mind who I'm only just now remembering definitely lives in Massachusetts lmao",
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"content": "I want to preface this post by saying I wouldn’t be shocked if Kamala is the nominee and democrats still find a way to lose the election. I know she isn’t particularly charismatic and democratic strategists seem to have a losing fetish. That being said, I just want to make a case for why I think Kamala has a pretty good chance against Trump. Here are some points in a more or less incoherent bullet list:\n\n•Right now the main attack line from republicans is about Biden’s age (they’ve been releasing attack ads against down ballot democrats by pointing out Biden’s age and using it as attack against all democrats), so once Biden is replaced with Kamala, all those millions republicans have spent attacking democrats for Biden’s age goes out the window. Not only that, but now we instantly can attack Trump for his age and put republicans on the defensive, which will be really easy as their main line of attack just got flipped back on them.\n\n•Kamala being a black woman I think is actually an advantage this year. Republicans as we know can’t help but be miserable racist misogynists, and I think if Kamala was the nominee, Trump and the Republican Party as a whole just wouldn’t be able to help themselves but resort to racist, sexist smears, which I think will put off the median voter. Also like Vaush said the other day, Kamala would definitely help bring out the black vote in a lot of states, particularly Georgia. \n\n•To add on about Kamala being a woman, I think her being the nominee would help recenter the discussion on abortion rights. If project 2025 gets enacted, we should hold no illusions about the fact that abortion will get banned nationwide, so getting abortion to be one of the main topics for the election is very important, and I think Kamala would help in that regard.\n\n•It’s my understanding of campaign finance laws that if Biden were to step down, Kamala would be the only one legally allowed to use the funds that have already been raised for their campaign. That and keeping Kamala would help subdue any potential legal challenges republicans may try to keep Biden on the ballet.\n\nOverall as long as Biden steps down as soon as possible I think we have a good shot at stopping Trump and more importantly, stopping project 2025. I just think Kamala is honestly our best bet. What do you guys think? ",
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"content": "Polls just as low as Biden, is associated with the unpopular Biden admin, and there will be questions of how much she was involved in the \"coverup\" of Biden's mental decline. If Biden steps down from the nomination but remains President, that would pose some serious questions.",
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"content": "the narrative to dismiss any \"coverup\" talk is pretty easy, just say Biden was good until very recently. Old age affects people at different rates, its very believable that Biden only just now hit a wall.",
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"content": "The amount of \"dont vote for Biden\" I've seen in Leftist spaces has made me lose faith in the online Left. Even in fucking union I see people waffling about Biden being bad. I implore them to think. Use the fucking rock floating in the waste basket they call a head to try to form a coherent thought. \"B-b-but Third Party\" The one that isn't going to win? You're putting the Fascist in power to gain bragging rights? Are MLs and the like actually going to become a Leftist, or are they going to stay a fly, hovering around the piece of shit they call coherent ideology. And the accelerationists are the worst! They have decided to help the Proletariat by letting it be genocided. How thoughtful! But don't worry, workers, if you're lucky, Socialism will be instated and not another fucking Capitalist society, this time being exploited by the other countries that surround it.\n\n\"Revolution!\" they cry in unison, for they are truly the most Leftist. Yeah, let's launch a revolution, based upon an Ideology that most people think is akin to Hitler Germany, and with half of its supporters proving them right! And while were at it, let's do it against the most militarily capable country in the world! While the Fascist is warning about this takeover. I'm sure his party won't try to assume military control. Skepticism I hear, what are you, a fucking Liberal tard?\n\nNever have I been more Doomerish, and it's not because of Biden, it's because of those idiots who are supposed to my ideological allies. Sorry for the rant, but I knew I would've had hordes of mouth-breeders incessantly whining.",
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"content": "I am sure you have seen versions of statements like this: I have to vote my conscience, so I will vote for Jill Stein and not Genocide Joe! \n\nIt does seems like a few of them have become accelerationists and hope that in the aftermath they can have their revolution that won't ever come. They don't seem to care at all about Project 2025 or another Trump administration, and unfortunately, the vast majority of voters care way more about domestic issues than foreign policy. ",
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"content": "\n>I am sure you have seen versions of statements like this: I have to vote my conscience, so I will vote for Jill Stein and not Genocide Joe! \n\nThis is my favorite, because \"voting your conscience\" by voting for Jill Stein is actually worth fuck all. Not just because she's a third party candidate who doesn't have a shot, but because she's *also* pro-genocide.",
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"content": "How is Jill Stein \"pro - genocide\"?",
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"content": "She has [repeated the Russian line](https://youtu.be/PKxlPvl5Pf0) since the start of the conflict. As for the genocide claim, many notable people in Russian society have called for the forced assimilation of the Ukrainian national identity and culture into the Russian ideals. Iirc Putin called Ukrainians a fake people. Also, [they’re literally stealing children](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-children-abducted-by-russia-left-with-psychological-scars-campaigners-2024-06-15/).",
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"content": "Has she denied the existence of a Ukrainian nation or people separate from Russia? \n\nThere's nothing genocidal in what she said in this video \n\nAlso it's false equivalence to compare Biden and Stein on this issue. Biden has actively supported a genocide by supplying the munitions and ammunition used to carry it out while Stein has done no such thing regarding Russia",
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"content": "I wouldn’t call her pro-genocide without further info myself. I’m just explaining the rationale.",
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"content": "They don't have a plan outside of trying to push Biden out. It's ridiculous.",
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"content": "Yeah that’s not a good strategy. If I was managing the DNC, my optimal strategy would be convincing Biden to step down, put Kamala in, and help find a good, appealing VP.",
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"content": "is Kammala a stronger candidate?",
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"content": "This late in the game? Yeah. She's the only sane candidate.",
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"content": "Ok, So bit of context I have been talking to my neighbors the past week or so about Project 2025. I live in a Ruby red state. After I tell them about Project 2025 and that their Taxes on goods will go up due to tariffs, That their favorite Nail Tech will go back to Vietnam due to Mass deportation, That Retirement Benefits will go away, Pensions vanish, That social security which they have paid in for their entire life will go away. \n \nThey tell me they are no longer are voting republican. I have had more success talking politics in the past few weeks than in the past 4 years. \n\nIt does not take much. Bring up something that will effect them! ",
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"content": "Tell me more of your secrets, sensei",
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"content": "Just start a conversation be kind, be civil, be helpful. People like that. If some one mentions something that project 2025 touches on. Bring it up :)",
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"content": "Let me start by saying that if Biden is nominated at the Convention, we as leftist should support him as a lesser evil. With that said I am tired of Biden Bros endlessly making excuses for Biden by saying “this is the most important election of our life time and if Trump wins he will implement Project 2025”. \n\nIn simple terms, even if Biden somehow pulls it off and wins in 2024, he will either be unable or unwilling to push for reforms to reverse the worst of the Trump Administration and put up secure protections to the public that are Republican Proof (such as on LGBT issues or abortion) unless he wins the House and Senate (which is highly unlikely) and will probably never happen unless Republicans really screw something up. \n\nAll Biden as President will do is kick the can down the road and give us a few years to breath. If Trump loses and dies in 2024, then in 2028 Ron DeSantis runs and pushes project 2029 and then if he loses that it will go on and on and on. Democrats can’t use the excuse of imminent fascism forever. At some point either they need to push for a candidate that excites the public and actually bring about change or they are doomed to eventually see the rise of American Fascism in response to tge collapse of the neoliberal world order due to the ever increasing contradictions of capitalism. \n\nI will vote for Biden but I don’t see how anyone can look at this man and say “yes, this is our best chance at beating Trump and Trumpism”. Biden is fundamentally the lowest viable product that voters are willing to accept. \n\nI am also skeptical if things will ever change, in 4 years in all likelihood we will back here once more. Dems will push for another spineless elderly neoliberal who will not fix the systemic issues of society and continue to push for the status quo as it collapses around us with the threat of whatever ghoul the Republicans push to keep the left in line. ",
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"content": "> he will either be unable or unwilling to push for reforms to reverse the worst of the Trump Administration\n\nThis is except none of that shit fucking matters. What matters is what you're going to do with the time you're afforded.\n\nOf course, you're going to exactly nothing but whinge and complain on the Internet about everyone not being supposedly not as smart or radical as you because, when it comes real-world action, **you don't actually have a plan but a vanguardist grift in which people are put in a sufficiently desperate situation they'll completely ignore the fact you're offering absolutely nothing of value or substance to address their material concerns.**\n\nSeriously, it's too fucking bad your so-called \"radical\" politics is such a load of piss people would rather put their hope in voting for Democrats. What more is there to say?",
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"content": "Dude, they already said that they were going to vote Biden. They're just (correctly) stating that things need to change because we can't survive if we continue to have this as the status quo. The Democrats only have to lose once, the Republicans can wait because the Democrats aren't actually doing anything to stop them. And for some reason you're mad that that fact is being pointed out.",
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"content": "> They're just (correctly) stating that things need to change \n\nThe change for those things need to start from the ground up, not top-down through the government itself.\n\nOP is at best an ignoramus who never pays attention to what other people have actually achieve and at worst a saboteur working to set back what grassroot organisations have already accomplished through coalition-building with the Democrats.\n\nNever underestimate the destructive power of stupidity when it comes to politics.",
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"content": "If you think OP, someone who already said that they're voting for Biden, is a saboteur for suggesting that maybe this decrepid walking corpse isn't the best fit for stopping Trump and curb the rise of fascism in this country than you're actually insane.",
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"content": "> If you think OP, someone who already said that they're voting for Biden, is a saboteur \n\nYou're mistaking \"voting for Biden\" as an indication of good wlll, whereas the reality is that one can always say one thing and do another. It's really doesn't matter at the end of they day what they claim when what they are advocating is actively harmful to other people.",
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"content": "This is what they are advocating for: \"[The Democrats] need to push for a candidate that excites the public and actually bring about change.\" Please tell me, what about that do you think is harmful, like, at all?",
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"content": "Read their other comments. Their argument is explicitly about starting a \"3rd party\". Your reading of the post with \"[The Democrats]\" bit is simply wrong.",
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"content": "For the people defending Biden as the nominee what do you think will happen if he wins? \n\n\nDo you think he'll be able to push back against fascism? Because Trump is not the main way republican are advancing their antidemocratic projects. They are mostly going to impose fascism through the courts like in Hungary.\n\n\nLike, SCOTUS just broke America's democracy by giving the president basically unlimited power and broke America's regulatory bodies. And Biden did NOTHING!\n\n\nHe's not able to fight fascism",
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"content": "How's the weather in Moscow? We know he isn't going to singlehandedly undo the Republican plan, nobody is saying that, what we're saying is he and Harris are the two with the best chance to defeat Trump. The people who are being floated as replacements poll at least 10 points lower against Trump. So while we fight against the narrative that he needs to drop out, we push for downballot campaigns to drive as many Republicans out of power as we can. AOC introduced articles of impeachment this morning against SCOTUS, which is probably too soon to actually be effective but will make a lot of noise. We are far from out of the fight.",
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"content": "Wouldn't know I'm French you know the country where we know how to resist fascism.\n\n\nEdit :\n\n\n> How's the weather in Moscow?\n\n\nAh yes Russian trolls famously critical of Victor Orban.\n\n\n\nIt'd be nice to not edit in your argument afterward.",
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"content": "Lol at this point QAnon might be solidly baked into the Republicans, but parts of the Democratic party are starting to become BlueAnon.\n\nActually, Biden is 7 feet tall, 45 years old, and delivered such a rousing defense of liberalism that Trump stood there stunned while all of America clapped. If you saw anything else it's because you're a Russian bot being deployed by MAGA outlets like the New York Times, who are working alongside the GRU to discredit Joe The Great.",
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"content": "Regarding the ongoing events in France - before 2nd turn election on Sunday ",
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"content": "Here's a pretty informative video about the french political slipping toward the far-right, for those wanting to get a better idea of what the fuck is happening here (even I, as a French , am not sure how the fuck we got there.) Anyway. Here's the video.",
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"content": "What happened during Hollande’s presidency that cause the National Rally to increase in popularity? It must have been a miserable tenure as in 2017 he declined to run and the Socialist Party finished below Melenchon and the LFI",
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"content": "Not very informed, but it seems he made the classic mistake of pandering to the center in hopes of ingratiating themselves with the system while failing to realize that neoliberal shitfuckery gets you zero friends among the electorate. Oh and he ended his term at 4% favorability, so-",
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"content": "“But Iran” is the new thought-terminating cliche",
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"content": "Even if that WERE true, it changes absolutely nothing for me.",
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"content": "Iran sponsors genocide in Ukraine, the hypocrisy off a bunch of misogynistic ultra conservatives is disgusting",
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"content": "You do realize a lot of western corporations still do business in Russia right? Just letting you know",
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"content": "You think I don’t despise them? You don’t think I have enough room in my heart to hate both western corpos still in Russia and hate the Iranian government?",
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"content": "Nobody is telling you that Iran is good though? Just that it doesn't matter if they support pro palestine protests, it's good to do so regardless despite Iran's support.",
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"content": "I don't know what's happening on this sub but I've seen 3 post of Macron apologia.\n\nWHAT THE HELL!!!\n\nHe's partly the reason my country is teetering on the edge of fascism but oh no he didn't do the absolute worst choice imaginable.\n\nNo! We're coming out of a grueling month and a half of brutal campaigning to barely scrape by a partial win and I come here and see fucking liberal apologia ?",
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"content": ">Opens liberal Vaush sub\n\n>Sees liberal apologia",
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"content": "Did they see liberal apologia though? I haven't seen this supposed Macron simping, so it'd be nice to get some evidence for OP's claim.",
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"content": "I think I've seen a couple comments saying Macron's election gambit wasn't as stupid as it first appeared, but that's the extent.",
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"content": "So on a scale of 1-10, how doomed are we",
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"content": "Revolt? This is supposed to be a fucking democracy. Does he perceive himself as a king with divine rule or something? This is the democratic process.",
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"content": "This is what MAGA said on Jan 6. Just own up to the coup.",
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"content": "this isn’t an armed insurrection, this is bureaucrats playing politics. these things are not remotely comparable",
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"content": "They both attempted to coup Biden. One by Trump and one by Pelosi. They seem the same to Biden.\n\nThey played politics and told Biden to not run in 2016 too and then we got Trump.",
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"content": "How is it a coup? He’s not the nominee yet, they haven’t decided that until the convention. Obviously they want to replace Biden because so does 2/3 of dems.",
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"content": "Biden is the sitting president and they want the president to resign with coordinated attacks. 30 reps out of hundreds of dem reps is not 2/3.",
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"content": "65% of people who are democrats want him to withdraw",
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"content": "Tell the democrats reps to say it with their chest and go protest rather than taking polls as facts.\n\nThe most progressive and accomplished President is not going to step down.\n\nPresident Biden didn’t even step down against the dictators, he is not going to step down against Pelosi.",
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"content": "well well well",
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"content": "We had one of the best political speakers of our generation and we just let him retire and only work in the background. The democrats have the money to pay him if he wants money but we need his ability to convince voters. ",
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"content": "I don't think that would have worked, Biden is not even a Boomer, his mental decline is visible, and even if it is not mental decline it looks like it.",
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"content": "This is true for literally all the politicians in that age range. Except for maybe Bernie honestly he seems still mentally very sharp.",
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"content": "True. if Biden was like Bernie then it would not be a problem, Bernie is still coherent.",
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"content": "Guys look at before and afters for every president. Bernie probably would have been toast by now if he were president too.",
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"content": "yeah Bernie doesn't have to negotiate with Republicans in the House",
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"content": "If Trump wins, it's the fault of everyone who didn't vote for Joe.\n\nThat's how it works.\n\nReal leftists will vote for Joe because we oppose fascism. \"Leftists\" who don't vote for Biden, will share the blame.",
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"content": "If every leftist in the US voted for Joe, he wouldn't be able to win. He still has to win liberals, conservatives, and people who have no consistent belief in their head.\n\n\nBesides, criticizing the voters will just create a smoke screen for the people with power leading voters to vote poorly.",
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"content": "Looks like it’s happening.",
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"content": "I'm looking forward to watching American leftists refuse every possible substitute. The general unwillingness to compromise will possibly lead to an absolute bloodbath that will do nothing but help the traitor get back into the White House.\n\nUs Europeans have to prepare for the worst : full-scale American betrayal of NATO and other US allies, and possible active intel collaboration aiming to aid the ongoing russian invasion of our continent. This will get very very ugly, and a lot of people are going to die as a result. We might lose the Baltic states with massive casualties.\n\nAs for the American side, you guys have barely experienced what russian hybrid attacks can do to your population. So far the kremlin has been rather limited in its ability to wreck havoc within your borders, and despite this they have managed to help put a puppet in the White House, possibly twice. But if this traitor wins again, oh boy, get ready for all the valves to open 200 fucking percent and experience total digital warfare the likes of which Ukraine has endured for the 10 years that preceeded the full-scale invasion. Some of your people have just no clue what's hanging over their heads.\n\nI hope opponents of Biden are happy with themselves. Now they will own this, and a lot of us will never forget, nor forgive this.\n\nFor the love of democracy and freedom, you people need to unite and compromise. The M4A pipe-dream ([please educate yourself on the topic](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1TaL7OhveM)) isn't a hill worth dying on in the short term when the outcome is the end of the rule of law and the rebirth of the soviet death machine.",
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"content": "> I’m looking forward to watching American leftists refuse every possible substitute. The general unwillingness to compromise will possibly lead to an absolute bloodbath that will do nothing but help the traitor get back into the White House.\n\nWanna know a secret? The people who won’t vote for whoever the replacement candidate was were never going to vote Joe. Joe already alienated a good section of his base in helping to aid Israel in its genocide. Who is this hypothetical leftist voter who would be willing to vote for Biden (even if begrudgingly) but won’t back a younger more charismatic candidate who doesn’t have the blood of Palestinian children on his hands. \n\n> I hope opponents of Biden are happy with themselves. Now they will own this, and a lot of us will never forget this.\n\nI love how its never the Democratic Establishment’s fault when they do stupid shit like pushing an 81 year old man who’s mind was already starting to deteriorate 4 years ago for a second term instead of pressing him to drop out and let a primary happen. Instead it’s somehow the voters fault for daring to want someone who we can say with certainty is all there mentally. You can tut tut and wave your finger at the (majority of) people who agree that Joe Biden is too old for this job, but that isn’t going to reassure voters or making them enthusiastic to go to the booth when the choices are a very senile old man and a somewhat less senile old man with fascist tendencies. \n\n>For the love of democracy and freedom, you people need to unite and compromise. The M4A pipe-dream (please educate yourself on the topic) isn’t a hill worth dying on when the outcome is the end of the rule of law and the rebirth of the soviet death machine.\n\nMY GUY. WE ARE THE ESTABLISHMENT. 70% OF AMERICANS THINK BIDEN IS TOO OLD FOR THE JOB! YOU ARE THE RADICALS IGNORING THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!",
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"content": "You really fail to understand that a lot of people like Biden. Like, genuinely like him as a candidate and not just a \"Trump blocker\", and want him as president, because of his skills and experience. Your refusal to accept this makes you unable to see that you are not, in fact, the majority opinion.\n\nAlso, \"Genocide Joe\", really? Are we going there again? Might wanna drop that dated punchline if you want people to take you seriously.",
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"content": "AOC's Weird, Pro-Biden Instagram Livestream - Vaush",
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"content": "It took her 8 minutes to butter up to “isn’t it a bit too late guys?” And 3 minutes say it, I understand it’s political speak but my god that could have been a tweet",
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"content": "Nah she articulated the actual barriers and her worries about moderates, the ones who put us in this situation, fucking up the convention and putting us in a worse situation. \n\nI still would prefer Biden drop out and replace him if that is possible. But if she is right and it's practically impossible, then guess we're stuck.",
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"content": "None of that required 8 minutes of buttering and extra fat vague gesturing. I would take her concerns far more seriously if she had prepared speech, she sounded like the anxiety posts people post here about the election and voting every other week",
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"content": "I have NEVER in my entire life seen the Democratic Party as united and lockstep as today. Harris fundraising numbers are astronomical.\n\nTrumps campaign fucked up with Vance and anti-old angle. \n\nWith abortion as an issue, Harris might not be as encumbered electorally by being a woman, and tbh she’s been killing it in speeches. \n\nRepublicans malding. Thank you Joe. We can do this. ",
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"content": "Vaush and other left pundits have been saying versions of my theory for a while: \n\nThe vast majority of Americans are sick of Donald Trump's annoying shit and want to not have to think about politics again (and, of course, there's the 30ish percent of weirdos like us who make it a point to vote).. Kamala, as a functional adult, represents the ability to make politics boring and not annoying anymore. That alone is a monstrous boon; add the post-Dobbs anger, Trump's deteriorating brain and ever-inscrutable web of conspiracies, his Peter Thiel-sponsored Homunclous VP, Kamala's demographic edges and relatively difficult-to-smear history and there's a really good chance we snatched victory from defeat on Sunday. \n\nI feel excited about electoral politics for the first time since...2012, maybe? I've forgotten what hope feels like. I think a lot of you guys might have too.",
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"content": "I agree with what you're saying, but what about the other left pundits and communities who now think AOC and Bernie are traitors and sellouts to the DNC elite, and because Gaza is the only issue they seem to care about, they won't vote for anyone who has been in or around the Biden administration.",
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"content": "Ignore them. They weren’t going to vote anyways. \n\nThey are all talk and no real bite.",
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"content": "I wonder if they will ever get tired of accomplishing literally nothing politically, never voting, never doing a revolution, worlds laziest ideology.",
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"content": "Biden endorsed Kamala ",
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"content": "I’m glad he’s endorsed Kamala only because it’ll be harder for the donors to ratfuck us and vote for someone even more “moderate” and right wing to Biden, and because Kamala has more or less been untainted by the Gaza conflict so it’d good chance to recapture youth voters who are abstaining from voting due to Israel",
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"content": ">been untainted by the Gaza\n\nVaush covered some of her responses to the Gaza war, even though they weren’t terrible they were certainly not good.\n\nBut from what I can tell she hasn’t talked too much shit about that, so I still think she is a way better option than Biden.",
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"content": "538 suggests Joe Biden is more likely to win the election",
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"content": "The last data point was on the 10th. The shooting will definitely give Trump a bump.\n\nBut the size of the bump is always dependent on the percentage of voters that are undecided and the duration of the bump is dependent on how much sympathy the candidate can maintain, both are very low. So I suspect that when the bump does hit, it’ll be a lot smaller than people think.",
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"content": ">The shooting will definitely give Trump a bump.\n\nyeah I imagine there will be some swelling in his ear. Not sure what that's got to do with these polls though.",
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"content": "lol.\n\nIt is a pretty universal rule that if you survive an assassination attempt you get a bump in polls, especially in the USA where we love telling each other stories about courage and especially if someone got some pictures that make you look good which they did.\n\nJust a question of how big of a bump and how long it can be held. All I’m saying is that the bump will be smaller than the Trump fans think it will be be and won’t last long enough for him to coast of victory. Not on this alone at least.",
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"content": "how many presidents have survived an assassination attempt since there’s been modern polling? One, before yesterday?",
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"content": "Andrew jackson was before modern polling. Also pretty sure Dubya had a grenade thrown at him as well",
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"content": "Americans blame Trump for getting himself shot",
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"content": "It’s really sad that only 9% of people picked the root cause",
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"content": "Fair point I guess I just feel like the root of all of these is mental health related",
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"content": "Seeing Pelosi endorse an open convention is starting to make me think AOC was right ",
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"content": "The open convention is specifically because outright choosing Kamala looks bad - it is optically better to have Kamala stomp an open convention.\n\nConspiracies about Pelosi wanting to replace Biden with a \"moderate\" or more centre-right candidate is silly and makes zero sense.\n\nSome facts about the situation;\n\n-AOC is on the political margins, she simply *does not* know what conversations are going on behind closed doors of Biden's inner circle.\n\n-Pelosi is smart. Obama is smart. People involved in these discussions with Biden have the political experience to be a bit thoughtful on this decision despite the public chaos.\n\n-Keeping in mind this intelligence - there is no one who is a better or more logical choice than Harris, who has the name recognition as a VP. Even if Pelosi wanted Harris gone, who would be the replacement that has more recognition than Harris currently has?\n\nIt's so jarring that this sub reasonably went full Doomer over Biden's debate because it very clearly showed he is not capable of running a campaign, but now suddenly when reality hits that Biden's going, the sub goes full contrarian and is Ridin' with Biden.",
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"content": "The person most credited with getting Biden elected isn't Obama, it's Clyburn. And Clyburn is still 100% behind Biden.",
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"content": "AOC Talks about the behind the scenes with Biden and the DNC on Instagram",
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"content": "I genuinely wonder if Pelosi has some truly awful plans for an open convention. Sanders and the squad definitely seem convinced something bad will happen.",
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"content": "Pelosi 2024 💀",
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"content": "The DNC is absurd. [Kamala's peak in popularity was the DNC](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/national/) after which point she ran to the right, touting Cheney endorsements, who #1 don't appeal to republicans. Liz Cheney was [only popular with Democrats when she lost her seat](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1323832/favorability-liz-cheney-party-id/) and she was only popular with Democrats as a token, we didn't like her policy, we liked she wanted a peaceful transition of power ([political positions](https://justfacts.votesmart.org/candidate/political-courage-test/171319/liz-cheney)). And Dick Cheney was [one of the most hated politicians in the country while he was in office](https://www.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-harris050616.html). This isn't [1992 Hillary](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_United_States_presidential_election), Ross Perot is MF dead. The [demographics Trump won by 5 million votes](https://www.dw.com/en/us-election-trump-lured-key-democrat-demographics-to-secure-presidency/a-70713548) with, are the [demographics that Bernie Sanders does best in](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-defines-the-sanders-coalition/) in the same battleground states. Whether neoliberals like it or not Berniecrats are the only way out of fascism if we want a democracy. Tell your neoliberal friends, and feel free to share the sources so they have to STFU and accept that persistence in the neoliberal platform handed power to fascists; these sorts of [jokes](https://youtu.be/5JxELubSgJg?si=Ky1ZT-cAbxIsz7VR&t=384) don't land well (especially from a [trust fund boy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Kimmel#Early_life_and_family) with a cushy white-collar entertainment job) with the working class, a phrase Harris seemed to avoid. \n\nAn anecdotal critique, Harris couldn't communicate her policy platform, she didn't effectively communicate who was going to be taxed. Most Americans don't speak statistics, they speak their trade and maybe their hobbies if they have any/can afford them, which most professional statisticians probably don't speak (division of labor and all). We need populist rhetoric and populist policy if we want to convince enough people in MAGA to not vote, or vote for our candidate. \n\nAlso, I hate to say it, but there was definitely a lot of sexism and racism that drove republicans to the polls, so while Kamala was incredible in her ability to learn how to do public speaking at a national level and then debating and national politicking in an unprecedentedly short length of time, indicating she's ridiculously intelligent and good at learning and acting new patterns and roles very quickly which are rare traits seen in the best leaders (I think she has the competency to be a great reformer like FDR), most people are kinda sexist, kinda racist, and dumb enough to refuse to pay attention even if their life depends on it, if it requires more mental effort than TikTok. So yeah, I hate to say it, but we probably shouldn't double up on minority status, and probably not a gay person either, sadly. Apparently we're still trying to get out of a Handmaiden's Tale, not break the glass ceiling, as ready as we leftists are for it (the glass ceiling) the electorate is seemingly resoundingly not, but if someone else has data to the contrary I'd love to see it, really, cause AOC seems like the best populist to run in the Democratic party right now, but with HRC and Kamala, IDK if it's wise. I think archetypes like [Ojeda ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahIDyvDpkf0)and [Talarico ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E5jjHW6ncc)are the best bet for a populist, leftist message that the working class can get behind. Really, if there's national data/battleground state data to the contrary, I'd love be proven wrong on the glass ceiling. I don't have a car so I can't go to my local DNC meetings, but someone else who reads this should show them this.",
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"content": "They need to drop milquetoast centrist liberalism and embrace left wing economic populism. Full stop. Simple as.",
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"content": "They won't do that till a leftist Trump like figure comes in and steamroll their way through to the Whitehouse. Basically, reforming the party in their image. Like a FDR but more charismatic with the ability to get nasty if required",
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"content": "Like [Ojeda](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahIDyvDpkf0)?",
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"content": "No. He lost the primary. A Trump like figure would never lose.",
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"content": "Well Trump did lose once\n\nBut I agree, someone who can speak to the working class is needed. There's a reason why people think Jon Stewart would be a good president",
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"content": "Link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/13/2024-election-campaign-updates-biden-trump-rally/#link-E6S6KETYXZGRBPKBRXNMAL3RAU\n\nYes I know Vaush is talking about it on stream. I want to open up third chat.",
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"content": "Well if he's a Republican like the registration says then this might not do much political harm to the Left/Liberal as thought. Sure the MAGAs won't believe it but the independent and undecided voters will be appalled that someone like Trump has caused so much division that his own supporters are willing to kill him.",
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"content": "The fact that he donated to Progressives in 2020 is enough for Republicans and Rightists to latch onto. They'll ignore the fact that he was a registered Republican by the time he committed this attack. Rightists do the same thing with the few other right-wing and far-Right shooters that used to be Liberal/Progressive/Leftist in the past. Don't expect the Right to play fair and be reasonable. You're analyzing them as if they're rational people who care about fairness and accuracy. Don't project your own sanity, rationality, decency, and concern for ethics and fairness onto them.",
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"content": "Biden has come out staunchly opposed to stepping down and is 100% going to push himself as candidate. If we're being practical, that means we should all shut up about how he needs to be replaced.\n\nThe only real argument for Biden stepping down is that a fast mini-primary would get voter base excited, but any benefit you get there goes out the window if you have to actively fight Biden to get a new 2024 candidate in. Not only does it confuse the entire narrative, it actively starts infighting in the left (though this whole news cycle has been great at doing that anyways.)\n\nWhat I don't get most of all is how this is any different now from the exact argument Vaush made about the primary selection: attack Biden and do everything you can to push him left in primary season, but once he's the guy, he's your guy. In the day or two immediately post debate, it's fine to raise the possibility of replacement. But that ship has sailed.\n\nAm I wrong? Is this not actually inconsistency? It feels like the \"fun based leftist\" thing to keep pushing Biden's replacement, but seems to now just be the new Bernie or Bust.",
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"content": "It's the last gasp of a generation that held on for power too long.",
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"content": "Interesting, though I suppose I care not for the distinction between elderly and the super elderly.",
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"content": "I've noticed among my friends who fit such a category and some Leftist streamers, a profound lack of fear for the potential of a Trump presidency. I even saw Xanderhal state that he'd consider Trump over Newsom - \"Here's the thing though Trump would take your rights away, Newsom would take my rights away\" \n \nIt felt surprising to me the lack of concern for the danger Trump poses and is making me question whether the fear i've seen online is just from all other demographics and that maybe Leftist white male Allies are just simply not personally worried about it.",
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"content": "We now know that he was definitely not left-leaning but instead was a hardline conservative.",
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"content": "The Guardian has a decent article, which sums up the different accounts by schoolmates. There's some contradictory statements and this is the only one that states he was conservative (although there's none that said he was left-leaning). This can be an important point, but it doesn't definitively prove it that way.",
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"content": "Honestly this schoolmate sounds like he’s looking for his 15 minutes. How can this guy be a loner and quiet and yet open enough for his classmates to know if he was a conservative? I barely remember what my classmates last names were. Do yall know what the political affiliation of your highschool buddies from years ago was?\n\nEdit: huh. I guess I just had bland classmates lol. So it’s very possible that he’s telling the truth. Regardless the dude was registered as a Republican so it checks out either way.",
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"content": "I can distinctly remember one of my classmates proudly showing off his Ipad he got signed by Rush Limbaugh. I don't think it would be a *wild* leap for me to make some assumptions about his political leanings today.",
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"content": "They are doing it, those beautiful idiots. This shit right here is a big reason why Harris is the most viable candidate. ",
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"content": "I was too young to pay attention when Obama was running, were they this openly racist then, too? I know there was the birtherism conspiracy but that at least had some bare deniability.",
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"content": "Social media was different. You had Facebook but the boomers were still too clueless, and cell phones were much shittier. So the racism was still there, but it was more confined and decent people weren't bombarded by it",
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