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Civility Lab 4

...and yet here you are!

Sharply increasing tuition costs at both the U of A and PCC may explain the corresponding decrease in enrollment. As the state legislature slashed funding for state universities, students turned to community colleges as an affordable alternative. Now that the legislature has gutted CC funding, they are much closer to the goal of eliminating all public financing of education. Time to vote them out before they succeed.

And what happens if they haven't cleared out by the date of El Tour? Four thousand riders and the people who come with them. Vendors. Bystanders. This is a high profile event for the biking world. And it's bread and butter for the city from motels to restaurants.

"So why don't blacks vote Republican? The answer is simple. Black people are not crazy. Being not crazy, they understand a simple truth about conservatives: They have never stood with, or up for, black people. Never." Republicans stand up for all people without dividing them into stereotyped groups. Free people, which we all claim to be, stand up for themselves if the ever growing government will let them. Unfortunately, for the republicans, a lot of people would rather have security than freedom. They call these people liberal democrats.

Wanta talk empty promise...why is it we need another Stimulus ?

Tomas: The operative word is RADICAL. We are so afraid of "radical" change. No matter how bad things get, we want to see only baby steps taken by the "devil we know." In times like these, radical change is the only thing that will help us. And it will come one way or the other. If Obama is re-elected, he will take us down faster than before in his lame duck term (or, some have even suggested, seize power and change our form of government, for which he has already set precedent). If the GOP mainstream is elected, they will continue down the road to fascist/corporatist ruin, while offering up our bones for their cronies to pick clean. The only chance we have is to go for radical change. My candidate seems tailor made for this movement, though he has his own, and several third parties are already courting him. I've done my homework, and for my money, there is just no other choice. No other candidate has the intellect, the character, the record. This guy is the whole package. Radical? Yes. American Patriot? Yes. Trustworthy? Absolutely. RON PAUL 2012. A New Beginning for America!

You're damn right. Take away the D or R and people will have to start doing their own research on candidates for the M & C. Get this city back to the people and away from the political parties. Appellate Judge Joseph Howard, writing for the court, said the state's arguments that nonpartisan elections promote "effective and efficient local government" is legally irrelevant. "The relationship of voters to their municipality is purely a local matter," he wrote. "Tucson voters have the right to make their own choice in that regard." No better way to keep it as a local matter than to take away the tether to the party and make the parties irrelevant to the city government. city government.

I heard that was Grijalva's baby and with his standards for PCC application and entry you better watch what you're wishing for.

You should live so long and be beloved by so many.

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and the mega-corps. Meet them, talk to them. But then I suppose that is too hard. well said...

Now really don't expect me to answer that on an open forum do you?

George C was one of them.

Blah, blah, blah....it's not about mining so much as the fact that it's an eyesore in our backyard....go mine somewhere else.

He seems pretty ticked off, and he should be. Hope he kicks some finance butt.

...cmon Julie can you get rid of the ancient posts, your killin me...

Why is this the head story on azstarnet? WHO CARES!?!

Just build the damn mine already!

I stopped by the OT event on my way home from work Mon evening. Those folks aren't as bad as some would otherwise have them portrayed. I don't think anyone's tickets or fines should be waived, for these folks knew the park closes at 10:30 nightly. If they're willing to give all for their cause, they should be willing to lose all for their cause. That's how the great ones are remembered.

Cell phones should be designed so that they become nonfunctional when in motion. Since all of them now have GPS incorporated, this would be easy to accomplish. A lot of injuries, lost lives, and property damage would be avoided if this were done.

She's really a Vegas showgirl in disguise. A really GOOD disguise.

Real science is readily distinguishable as being non-political and secular. The sure indication of real science is equal time given to the "maybe yes," and "maybe no" along with "here's why" carefully expressed in words easily comprehended. Anthropogenic Global Warming, AGW, is deliberately conflating real data with irrelevant speculation. Yes virginia, "warming is real," enjoy it. Fear is wrong. Always look behind the curtain. "Billions of tons" is meaningless when trillions, even quadrillions of tons are involved. Perturbations, human generation of natural atmospheric components, are not ipso facto destabilizing in a system with a very long history of closed-circuit control. After all, that's what well-designed sensors and activators do. Engineers have learned it from watching Nature. Hippies learned it from watching Al Gore. One group got it wrong. Guess which.

We're $14+ trillion in debt, with over $50 trillion in unfunded future liabilities. I don't think a couple percent here or there on "the wealthiest amongst us, who by the way can afford it" is gonna make a dent. What're you willing to cut ?

I would like to see Grijalva re-districted out of office!

A typical silver mine uses far less water than a large copper mine. We will hardly see an impact.

Our View wrote: The new standards, which will take effect in March, will require all incoming students to score at least a seventh-grade level in reading, writing and math. If they cannot meet this level, they can enroll into a low-cost remedial program to improve their skills. The cost will be $33 for up to 10 weeks of instruction. and... Our View wrote: Grijalva and a host of other politicians, teachers and business leaders opposed the change, citing, among other concerns, that it would shut some potential students out from higher education and improved skills. Hispanics should be pissed at Grijalva. He just said that they cannot read, write, or do math at a minimum of a seventh grade level.

They were arrested on allegations that they knowingly hired illegal immigrants and paid them off the books, without collecting state or federal tax, for nearly two years. I wouldn't feel too sorry for them. If the allegations are correct, this was not some little accounting snafu, this was fraud.

Bush didn't do anything to replace the shuttle and now obama has totally killed any hopes of the shuttle and going back to the moon. We are reduced to luggage. Yes thanks to these two are reduced second rate

Yet the Republicans want to get rid of the EPA. What happens to our air and water when they get their way? How many mine supporters will still support the mines when one of their loved ones gets gravely ill from pollution directly related to the mine? I understand we need the metals, but to continue to open mines in heavily populated areas just doesn't make sense. This silver mine makes far more sense than the copper mine.

Trick or treat; smell my feet. Give me something good to eat! Also, please slow down tonight, watch out for the gouls and goblins scurring about town.

A. This is false. B. Watering pecan trees does not pollute the water.

They want money and no responsibility for their actions. give them a piece of property out in the desert someone where and let them have at it. We have been using the same ordinance to keep bums out of the parks for DECADES, apparently because they are lesser beings the educated they must have no rights or lower rights. Hypocrites

There is no such thing as gravity, lawyers suck.

I like the smart phone app that lets you point your phone in any direction and the photo of the sky with labels shows you exactly what each star etc. is by name, even over the horizon so you can see the moon etc. before it comes up.. makes looking up from the big ball a whole new ball game. What is the name of the app; sounds awesome!

He's former member of the Communist Party and supporter of Soviet expansion and terror.

Fine particulates are nasty. They destroy lungs and shorten lives. Who needs jobs that kill people besides the mine owners? Rick: your post is intellectually dishonest. Please stick to the real issues.

Budget issues? Didn't PCC just hire one of Gabby's assistants as a Vice Chancellor of Postering for 137K per year? No mention of the effect the racist requirement of requiring a 7th Grade reading and math level before enrolling has had on matriculation levels either. Come on ADS; I know you can dig at the surface on this one.

Sun Tran continues to lose money with their bus service so let's put them in charge of the frolley trolley... <s.o.> Lets repair some Tucson infrastructure and build a mini-scale model of this ignorant project. By building the model on a small scale we keep the money! Perhaps, it could be sold as art to some idiot politician.

Never mind the gory details of this particular issue, I'm all in favor of "piecemeal" legislation. If provision X is a deal-killer, okay, let's move on to provision Y. Why is that approach so poisonous to both parties? Our downfall recently has been the 2000+ page bills that try to sneak all kinds of things past the voters because nobody has the patience or the legal savvy to decipher them. Break it down in to bitesize chunks; what floats, floats, what doesn't sinks. Why is that so hard? =

It appears a perfect storm has gathered on this thread.

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As I said earlier: Yes ... there is a class war going on and it has been going on since shortly after the The first shot was fired when one group figured out that they could profit from the labor of

how many millions was spent on this 'nothing but planning' nothing built!

A little bit more difference. In the "current tax" scenario, the owner can hire himself as an employee and pay himself a bonus equal to the net profit, reducing the taxable business income to $0. Can't do that in a VAT situation. The bonus wouldn't be deductible.

This whole income disparity has me perplexed. Let me see if I get this straight. If I work at a job for 20 years and have received pay raises throughout those years because I do good work, work hard and have made money for the company, some 20 something straight out of college with absolutely no experience should be paid the same as me? What's wrong with this picture? Those of us who have not lived life with everything handed to us on a silver platter should be protesting those who want everything handed to them. I'm really sorry of the single female with 3 kids flipping burgers for a living, but she made those choices that made her end up in that situation. I simply made other choices...apparently better ones. You can't fix stupid. The "haves" who are "fighting for this equality" are more than welcome to "give" their excessive paychecks to the "have nots". No one is stopping them. But I'm thinking they are more like Al Gore, do as I say not as I do.

Having a Super Bowl party at the White House... President Barack Obama and the first lady are ready for some football But don't worry it'll be bipartisan... Also on the guest list is Louisiana Congressman Joseph Cao (gow), the lone Republican to have voted in favor of the health care overhaul

Pictures would have been nice.

I love it when incumbents say "I have been working on it"..for 4 years!!?? That's kind of like Coach Stoops saying "It's a young team"..four the fourth season in a row. If after four years there isn't measureable progress you haven't really been "working on it."

No. Kicking down your door for having gay sex and turning water cannons on protesters is what I had in mind. A law is the law mentality would mean we would still be a colony. It nullifies the only real reason to have a second amendment.

The State lied to us about supplanting existing education funds with the new tax revenue.......I say no more... vote against it!

All Republicans, all independents, vote for Baker in ward 1 so we can knock out our Raul Grijalva backed conflict of interest candidate, Regina Romero! Even Lori Oien is telling all Republicans to do this. It will work. Even some smart Democrats like my Husband will vote for Baker rather than Romero!

How much of the $500,000 is taxpayer $ ? We pay for all kinds of this nonsense but no one ever mentions that.

? Tourism is still our largest base economy. Look at the facilities they have to work with (TCC) when it comes to attracting convention business. The individuals running hospitality-related businesses need to look at themselves before Business survey ranks Tucson's visitors bureau as 'weak' - blaming MTCVB. I've seen a few resorts looking kind of dumpy, and aside from J.W. Marriott Star Pass and Dove Mountain, resort food options are lacking. Just sayin'. Too much finger pointing from entrepreneurs who want the freedom to run their business (into the ground) and blame everyone else for their woes. It's getting old.

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I like it. Hope this works and expands to service others parts of the city. If the UA builds those dorms downtown that will be huge for the continued development there.

Why would someone TD a question?

She will now and the irony is is that it will be McDonalds who would have helped get her on.

I guess those of you who worship the law must be in the top 1% or 2%. Otherwise you would see that the system is rigged against you and you would support those who want it reformed. If citizens don't speak out in a big way, including civil disobedience, we will always be underpaid and taken advantage of. Civil disobedience is the American way when the system ignores the plight of the citizens.

Hey, did anyone else catch the obama girl on the TV last night talking trash about obama?

Gabriela Mercer for Congress! Grijalva OUT in 2012!

brilliant - perfectly said.

Maybe Mexico should secure their border....

I'm with you on that Steven, you know I didn't see much furniture at all.

Philip, are you suggesting those of us American citizebs that demand our laws be followed are "unjust or wicked"?

No great loss. I made the mistake of taking some friends visiting from out of town to the Chuy's on Speedway. The food was not very good and the portions were small. Sorry some folks will be losing their jobs but they weren't going to get my business again.

What the heck is going on with this comment section???

I think one of the first things that should happen to improve our country is to separate corporate money from our elections. Actually, all outside money should be separated from our elections and our elected officials.

And it was Pelosi and Reid that ruined it. The retards that don't know who passes law, spends money, raises taxes, ought to be kept from voting for the republic's good. Both Bushes made one mistake. They went along with leftists and when the usual outcome rolled around they expected the leftists to take their share of responsibility and blame. But everyone knows it's NEVER the left's fault. No matter what they vote for, pass or favor, in the end they will blame some tool like Bush.

Most important question to this debate is: Will this add jobs to our economy?

It sucks that "local" radio stations are less and less local. Jennie Grabel was the most recognizable voice of 92.9, and the station will suffer in her absence. Sorry to see the continued changes at 97.1 . I enjoy the music, but they continue to screw around with their on air talent, changing their shifts before they show them the door. The mismanagement of this station is almost criminal, it should be one of the more popular stations in town. Instead of promoting and encouraging the connection to the community, they have a national morning show, and just fired their last local DJ (as far as I know, not sure where the new guy is from). Just a shame.

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How does the National Science Foundation budget compare to the Department of War?

I'm an American citizen, I've never broken the law....never been arrested, had a speeding ticket or even been stopped by the police. I've had my prints taken at the bank and a few other adgencies I can't remember.....so what it's no big deal "if you haven't broken the law." That's how they catch the bad guys.

Mick D, so you earn enough to pay income tax, good for you, I suspect the greater percentage of that 47% wish they too were able to EARN more, so they could pay in as well.

Then maybe you could talk to the editors of the Daily Gabby not to run non-stories about what he wasn't doing....

Speaking of FOXgop: John Stossel Heckled And Booed At Occupy Wall Street Of course, those idiots don't believe in personal responsibility.

I agree Cain is struggling to explain his plan, but that's the nature of taxes. As I understand it, it is not a VAT tax. This is because when a company sells raw materials to a manufacturing company that turns them into a product they do add a 9% sales tax to the sale price. Then the manufacturing company gets to deduct the sales tax they paid from their corporate tax which is based on their profits. They can only deduct it if they purchased the raw material from an American company. This gives an advantage to American companies. That's a good thing. In the end the only one who pays the 9% sales tax is the retail over the counter consumer.

Okay, without condemning or condoning.... What I find astonishing is that an individual with the kinds of financial and personal resources she has at her disposal could have gotten caught in the first place. Anyone who's ever dabbled in the 'chemical' world at one point or another has come up against the dreaded 'urine test'. Defeating them is hardly that difficult depending on substance, of course. Of course, when it's the courts breathing down your neck instead of a potential employer it's probably a good idea to put the pipe, mirror, needle, blotter paper, or prescription bottle away for awhile.

Next comes Occupy Sahuarita. Join us as we demand jobs and money from the evil corporations that created jobs and money. Christopher s. (Sir John

So, how much does being a OWS protester in Tucson pay?

THAT PICTURE IS TOO FUNNY

BTW David... Shouldn't the Veterans for Peace be "Occupying" the White House lawn?

Maybe they should vote for the people that say it's okay to read and do math at an eighth grade level when your applying for college....they know you need special programs...

By the time the PC crowd is done with it the only acceptable Halloween costumes with be Disney princesses and Pokemon characters.

Well said MTCVB.

"It feels really good to see the book finished. My brother and I spent a lot of time setting up dress applications and taking pictures. I spent a lot of time telling my story and sharing the pictures on my blog," Cotter said via email. Interesting fascination with dresses he has. The scoop: 'Wedding dress' blogger will lift veil on his book

I love the idea of an illegal getting stopped for a traffic offense and then deported. This should spread some concern among the illegal immigrant community and make them afraid to drive. The more difficult it is for an illegal to function the better.

You sound like Ruth McClung's mother. Boy is SHE wacky. Grijalva will NOT be redistricted out of office -- because the first redistricting priority is compliance with the Voting Rights Act.

My point is this: once the govt creates an impossibly complicated and inefficient entity (tax code, medicare, social security, etc), they are able to convince you that any significant changes to it will somehow bring the whole world crashing down on us. The irony is that if none of these things are changed, the whole world is going to come crashing down on us, and for the politicians, there only goal is not to be the one who doesn't have a chair to sit in when the music stops.

Saul Alinsky hits the campaign trail again. Saul Alinskys answer to defeats is to double down. Throw more crappola against the wall to change the subject while NOT changing the direction. The socialist/ marxist movement is alive & back on the campaign trail again. No lessons learned (by Hussein) so full speed ahead. Jobs will be a smoke screen for his finding new "boogie-men". Keep up the good work, conservatives. The battle has just started.

So you're saying they are an affordable alternative to a flat screen!

John: I agree with your picture, but I still pray that we can avoid it. What's your solution?

Don't worry, protesters. All our pro-communist Tucson City Court judges will give you is a slap on the wrist, if that.

Saul Alinsky again. "Make them live up to their own rules" or in playground "the rules don't apply to us".

For whatever reasons George was on leave,NOMB, But welcome back. We have always enjoyed his reports and especially his newsy information and involvement within the community.One of the reasons I watched this channel.

That only leaves 19,956,000. A million illegal mexicans here and a million illegal mexicans there and pretty soon you are talking a lot of illegal mexicans. <crickets chirping>

Castration? Lobotomy? Naw... life without parole in the general population of the prison is a pretty good punishment. Child sex offenders are not given much "off time" from the inmates. At most, maybe we should pull all their teeth before sending them in - that way they can be of service to two inmates at once.

I don't even know where one would start to answer your post. First, "they" haven't graduated if they can't pass a 7th grade test (why they would take a 7th grade test after graduating is unknown, as is the content of this "test"). Secondly, "America" as a social construct (paradigm, if you will) is a body of land that stretches across two continents and includes hundreds of languages and cultures. If your child is going to be schooled in "AMERICAN" history, then I hope that you both have a lot of time on your hands. Finally, though this is not the least of what one could say to you regarding your post, someone not liking the objective reality of this being "AMERICA" hardly qualifies as a racist. We may call them post-modern, or existentialist, but not "racist".

The rich,like the poor,have the same basic weakness.You steal more than you can carry.Then you get caught.That is why we face the constant issues of disorder,turmoil,lawlessness,chaos,and wars.The United States must institute National Healthcare.Adequate medical care for all citizens,regardless of station or means.Care for poor children,they are the ones that fight your wars.National Compulsory Public Service for all at age 18,M-F.Service strenghtens our people and nation.Military and civilian options.Conservation,education,healthcare,public works projects.Community service can open and close many doors for young people.Every 18 year old needs a good checkup from the neckup,if nothing else,to determine the damage done by their parents.No exemptions or deferments.Good mental and physical health, is not only a public and private matter,our National Security depends on it. Nationalize all US hospitals.Education grants for medical students,and technicians.We have the resources,improve the logistics.Everyone prays,pays,and plays!........Choose to give,choose to live.

4 charts that explain exactly why and what Occupy Wall St protesters are ANGRY about.... keep this in mind as well, 99% of this country's citizenry have been held down, downsized, off-shored, impoverished, so that the other 1% could reap financial benefit at unheard of levels AT OUR EXPENSE. and now the charts: http://www.businessinsider.com/here-are-the-four-charts-that-explain-what-the-protesters-are- angry-about-2011-10 the New Yorker Mocks The 1% With Its Occupy Wall Street Cover..... for those that like to read, those that don't, move along. http://www.businessinsider.com/the-new-yorker-mocks-the-1-with-its-occupy-wall-street-cover- 2011-10#ixzz1b4rUrnU9 Occupy, this says it all..! http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/04HY6R62UQ1S7/610x.jpg