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964 | I have a problem where an Athena strip chart widget is not calling it's
get value function. I am pretty sure this is happening because I am
not using XtAppMainLoop, but am dealing with events via sockets. (ya ya).
Anyway, I want to cause a timeout so that the strip chart widget(s) will
call their get value callback. Or if someone knows another FAST way around
this (or any way for that matter) let me know. I cannot (or I don't think)
call the XtNgetValue callback myself because I don't have the value for
the third parameter of the get value proc (XtPointer call_data).
In other words, I want to force a strip chart widget to update itself.
Any ideas anyone?
| 16 | trimmed_train |
2,765 | Hi,
I don't know much about Bible. Could you tell me the relations of
Christians with non-Christians in Bible? How should be The relations of
christian nations with each other and the relations of Christian nations
with other nations who are not Christians?
The other question is about the concept of religion in Bible. Does the
religion of God include and necessitate any law to be extracted from
Bible or is the religion only a belief and nothing to do with the
government sides? If for example, any government or a nation is one of
the wrongdoings according to Bible, how should they be treated?
Is there any statement in Bible saying that Bible is a guide for every
aspects of life?
Thank you. | 0 | trimmed_train |
4,374 | :
: No, buy the serial port and modem. Each can be used for other things,
: you can use the modem with your next computer (might not be a PC) or
: upgrade the modem without changing the box. I hear that ISDN is big in
: Europe, you might be able to get one of those beautiful ISDN modems for
: less than the pice of a car someday (64k bidirectional).
:
: --
: bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
:
Unfortunately the curent United States standard on ISDN is 54Kbit..
:(
but i suppose whats 10Kbit..
C.Kup. | 3 | trimmed_train |
7,330 | The amount of energy being spent on ONE LOUSY SYLLOGISM says volumes for the
true position of reason in this group. | 8 | trimmed_train |
10,200 | if
team!
Yeah but Soderstrom's mask has always appeared to be a lot bigger than the
average helmet-and-cage variety. It has a certain appeal on its own
josh
| 17 | trimmed_train |
5,414 | Reposting and summarizing, for your information or additional comment.
*** THIS IS LONG ***
I have 16MB of memory on my 386SX (25 MHz), an Intel math coprocessor, and
a 120MB hard drive with 20MB free (no compression). I have been running
Mathcad 3.1, under Windows 3.1 in enhanced mode, with a 5MB RAM drive,
2MB/1MB Smart drive, and no swap file (permanent or temporary) for
several months.
I am interested in the faster Mathcad 4.0, but I am concerned about reported
swap file requirements and the legitimacy of Mathsoft's claim about increased
speed.
TO 386SX USERS:
Will Mathcad 4.0 run without a swap file, or insist that I use a swap file?
So far, in response to a less detailed description of my setup, or in
unrelated postings, the more informed answers, on the net or by E-mail,
appear to be:
1) by [email protected] (David A. Fuess) >>
>> According to Mathsoft, no. Mathcad uses the swap file extensively so as
>> not to overburden the physical resources. They say this is actually a
>> win32s feature. A figure of 10MB was indicated to me as a minimum. But
>> you might try anyway!
2) by [email protected] (Bert Tyler) >>
>> I'm not all that certain that Mathcad is the culprit here.
>>
>> I have a 486/66DX2 with 16MB of main memory (less 2MB for a RAMdisk and
>> a bit for a DOS session that is opened as part of the startup process),
>> which I have been running without any swapfile. When I installed the
>> WIN32s subsystem from the March Beta of the NT SDK, the WIN32s subsystem
>> itself demanded the presence of a swapfile. The only WIN32s program
>> I've run to date is the 32-bit version of Freecell that came with that
>> subsystem.
>>
>> I gave Windows a small temporary swapfile (I'm leery of files that must
>> remain in fixed locations on my hard disk), and all seems well.
3) by [email protected] (Brian C. Anderson) >>
>> What is Win32? I upgraded to Mathcad 4.0 and it installed a directory for
>> Win32 under \windows\system . During the upgrade it told me that win32
>> was required.
4) by [email protected] (Steven V Case-1) >>
>> MathCad 4.0 makes use of the Win32s libraries. You've probably
>> heard about Win32s, it is a 32-bit Windows library that provides
>> much of the Windows NT functionality (no support for threads and
>> multitasking and such) but can be run under Windows 3.1.
5) by [email protected] (Thomas C. Rhyne) >>
>> I also have 16 Mb of ram, and indeed Mathcad 4.0 insisted on a permanent
>> swapfile; it would not run otherwise.
6) by [email protected] (Greg Bishop) >>
>> 3) MathCAD absolutely requires 4MB RAM (with 12MB swap file) or 8MB RAM
>> (with 8MB swap file). It will give you a not enough memory error if the
>> swap file is less than 8MB. It is a MAJOR resource hog. If you do not
>> load the symbolic processor or the smart math, it takes about 5MB of RAM
>> (real or virtual) just to load (again, due to the win32s libraries.
********************************************************************************
* *
* So it seems that in addition to the system requirements shown on Mathsoft's *
* advertisement for 4.0, that you need a swap file, possibly as big as 12MB. *
* Looks like I would just need an 8MB swap file, and would need to choose (or *
* can I?) between a faster permanent swap file, or a slower temporary swap file*
* *
* Apparently a Win32 subsystem ships with Mathcad 4.0 - how much disk space *
* does this require? *
* *
********************************************************************************
I also received these answers:
1) by [email protected] (Dale Hample) >>
>> If you've got 16 megs of RAM, why not configure 10megs as a ram disk for
>> Mathcad? DOS 6 permits different bootup configurations.
********************************************************************************
* *
* Can Mathcad 4.0 + Win32 be configured to use such a RAM drive instead of a *
* swap file? If not, I don't see how using DOS 6.0 for an alternate bootup *
* would provide Windows with this swap file. Some time back I remember a *
* discussion about the issues of using a RAM drive to support a swap file, *
* but I thought this involved slower, < 8MB systems. *
* *
* I have DOS 6.0 but for various reasons have not yet done a full installation.*
* *
* By the way, is a full installation of DOS 6.0 required to avail oneself of *
* the "alternate bootup" feature? Which files from the installation disks are *
* required? *
* *
********************************************************************************
2) by [email protected] (Wildstrom) >>
>> Presumeably, you mean without a _permanent_ swap file. If Windows needs a
>> swap file, it will upo and create one if a permanent one doesn't exist.
>> Permanent is generally faster though. I don't know why Mathcad wouldn't
>> be happy with either type--Ver. 3.0 is and so should any program conforming
>> to the Win specification. | 18 | trimmed_train |
2,871 | (drieux, just drieux) writes (about the armed services):
Well, uh, actually I agree.
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6,068 |
From the limited details released so far, It seems that the clipper chip
system must employ some sort of public key cryptography. Otherwise, the key
management problems inherent to symetric ciphers would make the system
unworkable. It probably has some sort of public key exchange that takes place
at the start of each call. Thats how they would identify the private key in
their data base?
This means that either the NSA has developed some non RSA public key
algorythm or the feds have decided to subsidize PKP & RSADSI. The former is
rather an exciting posibility since keeping the algorythm secret while making
chip implimentations widely avalibe will be exceptionally hard. If the feds
are forced to make it avalible in order to gain public acceptance than that
could break RSA's stranglehold on public key crypto in the U.S.
As for my impressions of the whole scheme It seems that instead of trying to
ban strong crypto, they are trying to co-opt it. Their contention that they
need to keep the algorythm secret to protect the security of the key
registration suggests possible inherent weakness to the algorythm. More likely
is that they dont want anyone constructing black market devices which dont
have the keys registered. Anyone else notice that in their Q&A session, they
talk about releasing the keys only to people with proper autiorization but
carefully dance around stating that the keys will simply have to be supeonaed.
They seem to be trying to keep open the posibility of obtaining keys without
court order even though tapping a phone line requires one. Also pick up on
their implicit threat of eithe accept this or we'll ban strong crypto outright?
I dont trust this plan at all and plan to oppose it in all (legal) ways
possible. | 7 | trimmed_train |
178 |
No rumour, IBM's clock tripling chip was seen in some trade show last
fall (COMDEX or something, I wasn't there). All you people who are
drooling after this chip do realize that it has no FPU, just like
486SX, that Evil Marketing Ploy(tm) from Intel, don't you? It has 16K
of internal cache, which probably is where the saved silicon real
estate went. Because of some contract, IBM is not allowed to sell its
486 chips to third parties, so these chips are unlikely to become
available in any non-IBM machines. Of course, nothing prevents other
companies from implementing a DX3/99, but nobody hasn't even come out
with a real 486DX (FPU and all) clone yet (although AMD soon will). | 3 | trimmed_train |
7,672 | Since everyone else seems to be running wild with predictions, I've
decided to add my own fuel to the fire:
They might seem a bit normal, but there are a few (albeit, small) surprises.
American League East W L GB
1)New York Yankees 93 69 --
2)Baltimore Orioles 90 72 3
3)Toronto Blue Jays 86 76 7
4)Cleveland Indians 84 78 9
5)Boston Red Sox 77 85 16
6)Milwaukee Brewers 74 88 19
7)Detroit Tigers 73 89 20
American League West W L GB
1)Minnesota Twins 94 68 --
2)Kansas City Royals 92 70 2
3)Texas Rangers 85 77 9
4)Chicago White Sox 77 85 17
5)Oakland Athletics 74 88 20
6)Seattle Mariners 70 92 24
7)California Angels 65 97 29
AL MVP-Kirby Puckett
AL Cy Young-Kevin Appier
AL Rookie of the Year-Tim Salmon
AL Manager of the Year-Buck Showalter
AL Comeback Player of the Year-Ozzie Guillen
National League East W L GB
1)St. Louis Cardinals 91 71 --
2)Philadelphia Phillies 89 73 2
3)Montreal Expos 88 74 3
4)New York Mets 84 78 7
5)Chicago Cubs 79 83 12
6)Pittsburgh Pirates 73 89 18
7)Florida Marlins 54 108 37
National League West W L GB
1)Atlanta Braves 96 66 --
2)Cincinnati Reds 94 68 2
3)Houston Astros 89 73 7
4)Los Angeles Dodgers 82 80 14
5)San Francisco Giants 81 81 15
6)San Diego Padres 75 87 21
7)Colorado Rockies 59 103 37
NL MVP-Barry Larkin
NL Cy Young-John Smoltz
NL Rookie of the Year-Wil Cordero
NL Manager of the Year-Joe Torre
NL Comeback Player of the Year-Eric Davis
NL Champions-St. Louis Cardinals
AL Champions-Minnesota Twins
World Champions-St. Louis Cardinals
The St. Louis picks are what my heart says.
What my brain says, is they will win the division, lose to the Braves
in the NLCS, and the Braves will win the Series against Minnesota.
But for now, I'll stick with the Cards all the way. | 2 | trimmed_train |
266 | ........
It looks like the Edmonton Oilers just decided to take a European
vacation this spring...
Ranford, Tugnutt, Benning, Manson, Smith, Buchberger, and Corson
are playing for Canada.
Podein and Weight are playing for the US.
Is Kravchuk playing for the Russians...I know he had nagging
injuries late in the season.
Podein is an interesting case...because he was eligible to
play in Cape Breton in the AHL playoffs like Kovalev, Zubov,
and Andersson...obviously Sather and Pocklington are not
the total scrooges everyone makes them out to be...certainly
in this case they've massively outclassed Paramount and the
New York Rangers. | 17 | trimmed_train |
10,844 | Well here in Australia you dial
11544
to get the number read back to you
if you live in the country include the area code of the nearest capital city
eg for wa 09 11544
Yours
Mark
| 11 | trimmed_train |
5,302 | Hi folks,
At the end of the summer I'm planning on getting a new computer (486DX50 or
486DX2/66) and have been poking around in Computer Shopper. Anyway I saw
the ads for the Diamond Viper (Local Bus, 2MB memory, 50 million+ WinMarks)
and was wondering if anyone has had any experience with it (good/bad/not worth
the money/etc.) Any information at all would be nice.
Also, a few other questions. Anyone know of a good cheap 15"+ 1024x768 NI
monitor? And what is a good CD-ROM drive that meets MPC standards and is
controlled via SCSI? How about a 250MB tape drive on SCSI? | 18 | trimmed_train |
10,800 | Exactly.
But I'll add another observation: if the chip does become a standard,
the algorithm won't _remain_ secret.
Leaving the government with the only remaining option: to make use
of un-escrowed keys illegal. Which won't begin to bother the terrorists
and child abusers the government is so fond of referring to.
Note that the Federalist papers stress _one_ reason for the right
of citizens to bear arms: to defend themselves _against_ the army.
_Our_ army.
IMHO the _primary_ purpose of private crypto is defend ourselves
_against_ the government. The odd terrorist I'm not worried about;
the goverment damages my quality of life every day.
Rob | 7 | trimmed_train |
2,656 |
I agree that a fully-loaded SL2 would come close in price to a
LOWER-END Ford Taurus. A FULLY-LOADED Taurus, on the other hand, would still
be substantially more expensive than even the most glitzy SL2. A fully loaded
SL2 would run somewhere around $17,000, while a fully loaded Taurus LX would be
somewhere around the $22,000-$23,000 range. A base Taurus (GL I believe) might
start around $15,000. Of course there is the Taurus SHO which can push $30,000
if you really try, but this is a totally different car than your mainstream
Taurus sedan. Your statement was not entirely faulty, just a little
inaccurate.
Well, that's ok. At least you're not bitching about dealer profits like some
of the other netters are. You seem to have rationally picked out the car that
is best for you. The Loyale is an aging design that is about to be replaced by
the Impreza wagon, so you probably got a good deal on one of the last ones.
| 4 | trimmed_train |
6,109 | Do any Honda gurus know if I can replace the
the front sprocket on my 1979 Honda CB750K with a slightly larger one?
(I see this as being preferable to reducing the size of the rear one)
Just wanting ride at a more relaxed RPM. | 12 | trimmed_train |
10,747 |
For those of you who don't need 24 bit, I got a 32 colour Amiga IFF
of a cloudless Earth (scanned). Looks okay when mapped on a sphere.
E-mail me and I'll send it you...
Louis
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7,478 | Toronto 1 1 1--3
Detroit 1 4 1--6
First period
1, Detroit, Yzerman 1 (Gallant, Ciccarelli) 4:48.
2, Toronto, Cullen 1 (Clark, Gill) 10:44.
Second period
3, Detroit, Sheppard 1 (Probert, Coffey) pp, 5:04.
4, Detroit, Burr 1 (Racine) sh, 6:42.
5, Detroit, Chiasson 1 (Coffey) pp,11:00.
6, Detroit, Howe 1 (Yzerman, Drake) 14:46.
7, Toronto, Gilmour 1 (Borschevsky, Ellett) pp, 19:59.
Third period
8, Detroit, Racine 1 (Primeau, Drake) 5:10.
9, Toronto, Lefebvre 1 (Cullen, Pearson) 7:45.
Detroit: 6 Power play: 6-2 Special goals: pp: 2 sh: 1 Total: 3
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Burr 1 0 1
Chiasson 1 0 1
Ciccarelli 0 1 1
Coffey 0 2 2
Drake 0 2 2
Gallant 0 1 1
Howe 1 0 1
Primeau 0 1 1
Probert 0 1 1
Racine 1 1 2
Sheppard 1 0 1
Yzerman 1 1 2
Toronto: 3 Power play: 5-1
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Borschevsky 0 1 1
Clark 0 1 1
Cullen 1 1 2
Ellett 0 1 1
Gill 0 1 1
Gilmour 1 0 1
Lefebvre 1 0 1
Pearson 0 1 1
-----------------------------------------
Winnipeg 1 0 1--2
Vancouver 2 0 2--4
First period
1, Vancouver, Adams 1 (Linden, Bure) pp, 1:23.
2, Vancouver, Craven 1 (Bure, Murzyn) 9:56.
3, Winnipeg, Steen 1 (Shannon, Housley) pp, 17:53.
Second period
No scoring.
Third period
4, Winnipeg, King 1 (Barnes) 3:43.
5, Vancouver, Linden 1(Courtnall, McLean) 12:16.
6, Vancouver, Ronning 1 (Courtnall) 18:31.
Vancouver: 4 Power play: 6-1
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Adams 1 0 1
Bure 0 2 2
Courtnall 0 2 2
Craven 1 0 1
Linden 1 1 2
McLean 0 1 1
Murzyn 0 1 1
Ronning 1 0 1
Winnipeg: 2 Power play: 3-1
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Barnes 0 1 1
Housley 0 1 1
King 1 0 1
Shannon 0 1 1
Steen 1 0 1
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922 |
Yo' Joe, why don't you post what you really think?
If there are any rational BMWMOA folks left out there, may the rest of
us please have a brief summary of the current state of affairs in your
esteemed organization, together with an historical outline of how you
got to the above contretemps?
Points will be deducted for shouting or bulging veins in the temple area. | 12 | trimmed_train |
59 | Archive-name: space/new_probes
Last-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:17 $
UPCOMING PLANETARY PROBES - MISSIONS AND SCHEDULES
Information on upcoming or currently active missions not mentioned below
would be welcome. Sources: NASA fact sheets, Cassini Mission Design
team, ISAS/NASDA launch schedules, press kits.
ASUKA (ASTRO-D) - ISAS (Japan) X-ray astronomy satellite, launched into
Earth orbit on 2/20/93. Equipped with large-area wide-wavelength (1-20
Angstrom) X-ray telescope, X-ray CCD cameras, and imaging gas
scintillation proportional counters.
CASSINI - Saturn orbiter and Titan atmosphere probe. Cassini is a joint
NASA/ESA project designed to accomplish an exploration of the Saturnian
system with its Cassini Saturn Orbiter and Huygens Titan Probe. Cassini
is scheduled for launch aboard a Titan IV/Centaur in October of 1997.
After gravity assists of Venus, Earth and Jupiter in a VVEJGA
trajectory, the spacecraft will arrive at Saturn in June of 2004. Upon
arrival, the Cassini spacecraft performs several maneuvers to achieve an
orbit around Saturn. Near the end of this initial orbit, the Huygens
Probe separates from the Orbiter and descends through the atmosphere of
Titan. The Orbiter relays the Probe data to Earth for about 3 hours
while the Probe enters and traverses the cloudy atmosphere to the
surface. After the completion of the Probe mission, the Orbiter
continues touring the Saturnian system for three and a half years. Titan
synchronous orbit trajectories will allow about 35 flybys of Titan and
targeted flybys of Iapetus, Dione and Enceladus. The objectives of the
mission are threefold: conduct detailed studies of Saturn's atmosphere,
rings and magnetosphere; conduct close-up studies of Saturn's
satellites, and characterize Titan's atmosphere and surface.
One of the most intriguing aspects of Titan is the possibility that its
surface may be covered in part with lakes of liquid hydrocarbons that
result from photochemical processes in its upper atmosphere. These
hydrocarbons condense to form a global smog layer and eventually rain
down onto the surface. The Cassini orbiter will use onboard radar to
peer through Titan's clouds and determine if there is liquid on the
surface. Experiments aboard both the orbiter and the entry probe will
investigate the chemical processes that produce this unique atmosphere.
The Cassini mission is named for Jean Dominique Cassini (1625-1712), the
first director of the Paris Observatory, who discovered several of
Saturn's satellites and the major division in its rings. The Titan
atmospheric entry probe is named for the Dutch physicist Christiaan
Huygens (1629-1695), who discovered Titan and first described the true
nature of Saturn's rings.
Key Scheduled Dates for the Cassini Mission (VVEJGA Trajectory)
-------------------------------------------------------------
10/06/97 - Titan IV/Centaur Launch
04/21/98 - Venus 1 Gravity Assist
06/20/99 - Venus 2 Gravity Assist
08/16/99 - Earth Gravity Assist
12/30/00 - Jupiter Gravity Assist
06/25/04 - Saturn Arrival
01/09/05 - Titan Probe Release
01/30/05 - Titan Probe Entry
06/25/08 - End of Primary Mission
(Schedule last updated 7/22/92)
GALILEO - Jupiter orbiter and atmosphere probe, in transit. Has returned
the first resolved images of an asteroid, Gaspra, while in transit to
Jupiter. Efforts to unfurl the stuck High-Gain Antenna (HGA) have
essentially been abandoned. JPL has developed a backup plan using data
compression (JPEG-like for images, lossless compression for data from
the other instruments) which should allow the mission to achieve
approximately 70% of its original objectives.
Galileo Schedule
----------------
10/18/89 - Launch from Space Shuttle
02/09/90 - Venus Flyby
10/**/90 - Venus Data Playback
12/08/90 - 1st Earth Flyby
05/01/91 - High Gain Antenna Unfurled
07/91 - 06/92 - 1st Asteroid Belt Passage
10/29/91 - Asteroid Gaspra Flyby
12/08/92 - 2nd Earth Flyby
05/93 - 11/93 - 2nd Asteroid Belt Passage
08/28/93 - Asteroid Ida Flyby
07/02/95 - Probe Separation
07/09/95 - Orbiter Deflection Maneuver
12/95 - 10/97 - Orbital Tour of Jovian Moons
12/07/95 - Jupiter/Io Encounter
07/18/96 - Ganymede
09/28/96 - Ganymede
12/12/96 - Callisto
01/23/97 - Europa
02/28/97 - Ganymede
04/22/97 - Europa
05/31/97 - Europa
10/05/97 - Jupiter Magnetotail Exploration
HITEN - Japanese (ISAS) lunar probe launched 1/24/90. Has made
multiple lunar flybys. Released Hagoromo, a smaller satellite,
into lunar orbit. This mission made Japan the third nation to
orbit a satellite around the Moon.
MAGELLAN - Venus radar mapping mission. Has mapped almost the entire
surface at high resolution. Currently (4/93) collecting a global gravity
map.
MARS OBSERVER - Mars orbiter including 1.5 m/pixel resolution camera.
Launched 9/25/92 on a Titan III/TOS booster. MO is currently (4/93) in
transit to Mars, arriving on 8/24/93. Operations will start 11/93 for
one martian year (687 days).
TOPEX/Poseidon - Joint US/French Earth observing satellite, launched
8/10/92 on an Ariane 4 booster. The primary objective of the
TOPEX/POSEIDON project is to make precise and accurate global
observations of the sea level for several years, substantially
increasing understanding of global ocean dynamics. The satellite also
will increase understanding of how heat is transported in the ocean.
ULYSSES- European Space Agency probe to study the Sun from an orbit over
its poles. Launched in late 1990, it carries particles-and-fields
experiments (such as magnetometer, ion and electron collectors for
various energy ranges, plasma wave radio receivers, etc.) but no camera.
Since no human-built rocket is hefty enough to send Ulysses far out of
the ecliptic plane, it went to Jupiter instead, and stole energy from
that planet by sliding over Jupiter's north pole in a gravity-assist
manuver in February 1992. This bent its path into a solar orbit tilted
about 85 degrees to the ecliptic. It will pass over the Sun's south pole
in the summer of 1993. Its aphelion is 5.2 AU, and, surprisingly, its
perihelion is about 1.5 AU-- that's right, a solar-studies spacecraft
that's always further from the Sun than the Earth is!
While in Jupiter's neigborhood, Ulysses studied the magnetic and
radiation environment. For a short summary of these results, see
*Science*, V. 257, p. 1487-1489 (11 September 1992). For gory technical
detail, see the many articles in the same issue.
OTHER SPACE SCIENCE MISSIONS (note: this is based on a posting by Ron
Baalke in 11/89, with ISAS/NASDA information contributed by Yoshiro
Yamada ([email protected]). I'm attempting to track changes based
on updated shuttle manifests; corrections and updates are welcome.
1993 Missions
o ALEXIS [spring, Pegasus]
ALEXIS (Array of Low-Energy X-ray Imaging Sensors) is to perform
a wide-field sky survey in the "soft" (low-energy) X-ray
spectrum. It will scan the entire sky every six months to search
for variations in soft-X-ray emission from sources such as white
dwarfs, cataclysmic variable stars and flare stars. It will also
search nearby space for such exotic objects as isolated neutron
stars and gamma-ray bursters. ALEXIS is a project of Los Alamos
National Laboratory and is primarily a technology development
mission that uses astrophysical sources to demonstrate the
technology. Contact project investigator Jeffrey J Bloch
([email protected]) for more information.
o Wind [Aug, Delta II rocket]
Satellite to measure solar wind input to magnetosphere.
o Space Radar Lab [Sep, STS-60 SRL-01]
Gather radar images of Earth's surface.
o Total Ozone Mapping Spectrometer [Dec, Pegasus rocket]
Study of Stratospheric ozone.
o SFU (Space Flyer Unit) [ISAS]
Conducting space experiments and observations and this can be
recovered after it conducts the various scientific and
engineering experiments. SFU is to be launched by ISAS and
retrieved by the U.S. Space Shuttle on STS-68 in 1994.
1994
o Polar Auroral Plasma Physics [May, Delta II rocket]
June, measure solar wind and ions and gases surrounding the
Earth.
o IML-2 (STS) [NASDA, Jul 1994 IML-02]
International Microgravity Laboratory.
o ADEOS [NASDA]
Advanced Earth Observing Satellite.
o MUSES-B (Mu Space Engineering Satellite-B) [ISAS]
Conducting research on the precise mechanism of space structure
and in-space astronomical observations of electromagnetic waves.
1995
LUNAR-A [ISAS]
Elucidating the crust structure and thermal construction of the
moon's interior.
Proposed Missions:
o Advanced X-ray Astronomy Facility (AXAF)
Possible launch from shuttle in 1995, AXAF is a space
observatory with a high resolution telescope. It would orbit for
15 years and study the mysteries and fate of the universe.
o Earth Observing System (EOS)
Possible launch in 1997, 1 of 6 US orbiting space platforms to
provide long-term data (15 years) of Earth systems science
including planetary evolution.
o Mercury Observer
Possible 1997 launch.
o Lunar Observer
Possible 1997 launch, would be sent into a long-term lunar
orbit. The Observer, from 60 miles above the moon's poles, would
survey characteristics to provide a global context for the
results from the Apollo program.
o Space Infrared Telescope Facility
Possible launch by shuttle in 1999, this is the 4th element of
the Great Observatories program. A free-flying observatory with
a lifetime of 5 to 10 years, it would observe new comets and
other primitive bodies in the outer solar system, study cosmic
birth formation of galaxies, stars and planets and distant
infrared-emitting galaxies
o Mars Rover Sample Return (MRSR)
Robotics rover would return samples of Mars' atmosphere and
surface to Earch for analysis. Possible launch dates: 1996 for
imaging orbiter, 2001 for rover.
o Fire and Ice
Possible launch in 2001, will use a gravity assist flyby of
Earth in 2003, and use a final gravity assist from Jupiter in
2005, where the probe will split into its Fire and Ice
components: The Fire probe will journey into the Sun, taking
measurements of our star's upper atmosphere until it is
vaporized by the intense heat. The Ice probe will head out
towards Pluto, reaching the tiny world for study by 2016.
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7,538 | It is 5 years old. Model CCD-V5. 6x zoom. Everything works perfectly.
Uses 8 mm tapes (not Hi-8, that was not around 5 years ago!).
$350 plus shipping or best offer.
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4,343 |
You can edit that file with a utility that comes with Windows 3.1 called
"REGEDIT" (Registration Info Editor)
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10,183 |
I have a Bel-966.
I just looked at the manual yesterday... and it does indeed claim to be
undetectable by RDD's.
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4,399 |
DA] Armenia is involved in fighting with Azarbaijan. It is Armenian
DA] soldiers from mainland Armenia that are shelling towns in Azarbaijan.
Are you related to 'Arromdian' of ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism
Triangle? If you feel that you can simply act as a fascist Armenian
governmental crony in this forum you will be sadly mistaken and duly
embarrassed. This is not a lecture to another historical revisionist
and a genocide apologist, but a fact. This time, fascist x-Soviet Armenian
Government will not get away with the genocide of 204,000 Azeri men, women
and children. Not a chance.
The SUNDAY TIMES 8 March 1992
Morgues fill as Azeris head for all-out war
-------------------------------------------
Thomas Goltz, the first to report the massacre by Armenian soldiers in
the worst violence since the breakup of the Soviet Union, reports from
Agdam
------
Khojaly used to be a barren town, with empty shops and treeless dirt
roads. Yet it was still home to thousands of people who, in happier
times, tended fields and flocks of geese. Last week it was wiped off
the map.
.......
As sickening reports trickled in to the Azerbaijani border town of
Agdam, and the bodies piled up in the morgues, there was little doubt
that Khojaly and the stark foothills and gullies around it had been
the site of the most terrible massacre since the Soviet Union broke
apart.
.......
I was the last Westerner to visit Khojaly. That was in january and
people were predicting their fate with grim resignation. Zumrut Ezoya,
a mother of four on board the helicopter that ferried us into the
town, called her community "sitting ducks, ready to get shot". She and
her family were among the victims of the massacre on February 26.
.......
"The Armenians have taken all the outlying villages, one by one, and
the government does nothing." Balakisi Sakikov, 55, a father of five,
said. "Next they will drive us out or kill us all," said Dilbar, his
wife. The couple, their three sons and three daughters were killed in
the assault, as were many other people I had spoken to.
......
"It was close to the Armenian lines we knew we would have to cross.
There was a road, and the first units of the column ran across then
all hell broke loose. Bullets were raining down from all sides. we had
just entered their trap."
The azeri defenders picked off one by one. Survivors say that Armenian
forces then began a pitiless slaughter, firing at anything moved in
the gullies. A video taken by an azeri cameraman, wailing and crying
as he filmed body after body, showed a grizzly trail of death leading
towards higher, forested ground where the villagers had sought refuge
from the Armenians.
"The Armenians just shot and shot and shot," said Omar Veyselov, lying
in hospital in Agdam with sharapnel wounds. "I saw my wife and
daughter fall right by me."
People wandered through the hospital corridors looking for news of the
loved ones. Some vented their fury on foreigners: " Where is my
daughter, where is my son ?" wailed a mother. "Raped. Butchered. Lost."
Azerbaijan has said as many as 1,000 refugees were killed as they
tried to flee. The Armenians have denied this, saying the civilians
were caught in "crossfire".
.......
Source: The Times, 2 March 1992.
CORPSES LITTER HILLS IN KARABAKH
ANATOL LIEVEN COMES UNDER FIRE WHILE FLYING WITH AZERBAIJANI FORCES TO
INVESTIGATE THE ALLEGED MASS KILLINGS OF REFUGEES BY ARMENIAN TROOPS...
As we swooped low over the snow-covered hills of Nagorno-Karabagh we saw
the scattered corpses. Apparently, the refugees had been shot down as
they ran. An Azerbaijani film of the places we flew over, shown to
journalists afterwards, showed DOZENS OF CORPSES lying in various parts
of the hills.
The Azerbaijanis claim that AS MANY AS 1000 have died in a MASS KILLING
of AZERBAIJANIS fleeing from the town of Khodjaly, seized by Armenians
last week. A further 4,000 are believed to be wounded, frozen to death
or missing...
Seven of us squatted in the cabin of an Azerbaijani M24 attack helicopter
as we flew to investigate the claims of the mass killings. Suddenly there
was a thump against the underside of the aircraft, a red flash of tracer
ripped past the starboard wing, and the helicopter rocked sharply. We
swung round, and there was a deafening burst of fire from the cannon
under our wing as the helicopter crew returned fire.
We had been fired on from an Armenian anti-aircraft post. We swung round
again, tipped to starboard and appeared to dive straight down into a
valley. The brown earth swooped around our heads, the helicopter swung
round again and followed the contours of the ground. Our cannon fired
repeated blasts.
Later it emerged that a civilian helicopter that we had been escorting
had landed successfully at Nakhichevanik in the east of the disputed
enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh, to pick up some of the dead. We had, in
fact, been attacked both by ground fire and by an Armenian helicopter.
I had seen the Armenian helicopter intermittently through the window,
its cannons firing, but had thought - mistakenly - that it was on
"our side". Our group of Western journalists had embarked on a
search-and-rescue flight that had become a combat mission.
Our flight consisted of the civilian passenger helicopter and two
M24 Soviet attack helicopters in the Azerbaijani service, nicknamed
flying crocodiles for their armour. Our party was in the second
crocodile. The civilian helicopter's job was to land in the mountains
and pick up bodies at sites of the mass killings. The attack helicopters
were there to give covering fire if necessary.
The operation showed a striking sign of the disintegration of the Soviet
armed forces because our pilot was a Russian officer. An Azerbaijani
official told us that there were now five former Soviet military
helicopters -and their pilots- fighting for Azerbaijan. "They have
signed contracts to fly for us," he said. The helicopter we engaged
in combat was most probably flown by a brother-officer of our Russian
pilot, but fighting for the Armenians.
We had taken off just before 5pm on Saturday from Agdam airfield, an
heated for the Armenian-controlled mountains of Karabakh, a sheer
white wall in the distance. The civilian helicopter picked up four
corpses, and it was during this and a previous mission that an
Azerbaijani cameraman filmed the several the several dozen bodies
on the hillsides. We then took off again in a hurry and speed back
towards Azerbaijani lines. Azerbaijani gunners on the last hill before
the plain - and safety - gazed up at us as we passed.
Back at the airfield in Agdam, we took a look the bodies the
civilian helicopter had picked up. Two old men a small girl were
covered with blood, their limbs contorted by the cold and rigor
mortis. They had been shot.
What did our Russian pilot think of the tragedy, our close shave,
and the war in Nagorno-Karabakh? He gave us CHEERFUL GRIN, POLITELY
DECLINED TO ANSWER QUES TIONS, AND MARCHED OFF TO HIS DINNER.
Serdar Argic | 6 | trimmed_train |
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from my 5 year old daughter. I have quite a few of these little puppies
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5,768 |
There should be no worries about the trans.
Does this count?
$ cat dod.faq | mailx -s "HAHAHHA" [email protected] (waiting to press
return...)
Later, | 12 | trimmed_train |
8,712 |
I'm not sure that's true. Let me rephrase; "You can file a complaint
which will bring the person into court." As I understand it, a
"citizens arrest" does not have to be the physical detention of
the person.
Better now? | 12 | trimmed_train |
9,836 | Jason Kratz writing:
...
JK>If they had rocket launchers and such (as the press and gov claims) why
JK>shouldn't they have done something? What possible use would a religious cult
JK>have for a rocket launcher? Also, is child abuse covered by the Bill of
JK>Rights?
...
This is taken a little out of context and I'm not flaming Jason...it's just
that this was the proverbial straw....
I grow a little weary of the allegations (here, the media, people on the
street) that the BD's had all these "horrible illegal weapons and other
paraphenalia of destruction capable of blowing tanks 50 feet into the air..."
and then, without missing a beat, discuss how the BD's willfully commited
mass suicide, or killed their own less fanatical and *then* commited mass
suicide, etc., etc.
If the BD's had all these things and intended to "blow up their abode, blow up
Waco, blow up the entire country, or whatever suits your fancy, what happened
to all the violence they were supposed to unleash? Why wouldn't they have "gone
out in the proverbial blaze of glory" and "come out shooting" with an attitude
of "let's take as many of those dogs as possible with us"?
Instead, they seemed to have preferred death to whatever they thought was in
store for them at the government's hands.
It's totally immaterial whether they were all crazy, all fanatics, all followers
of the antichrist, haters of the government, practicers of weird lifestyles, or
whatever...they must have felt that they were being pressured into renouncing
their beliefs, however how strange or lunatic those beliefs might appear to "you
and me". There is much precedent for such devotion to cause.
My conclusion at this point is that the "authorities" seriously misread their
danger to society (else why did the BD's not do as suggested above) and/or chose
this incident to make some heinous point or satisfy some internal agenda, up to
and including AG J. Renbo using this as an opportunity to assert her manhood.
Some people really do believe it is better to die than be subjected to what
they perceive as the godless government. When I force myself to not judge
others by my own personal standards and beliefs, I can almost admire their
stand.
I surely believe in the Constitution but I don't know that I have such strength
of conviction as evidenced by the BD's.
---
. OLX 2.2 . Obesa non cantatis!
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4,038 |
Actually, there was very little to the book. First of all looking at
the titles of her other books, I would personally consider her
to be engaged in a bizarre form of Christian-like mysticism
heavily influenced by eastern philosphies (great titles like
_The_Astrology_of_the_4_Horsemen_).
However, other than the Chapter One into, there's nothing original,
biased, or even new this book. It is basically a collection of previously
published works by those who claim that there exist Buddhist and Hindu
stories that Christ visited India and China (he was known as Issa)
during the period from late teens to age 30.
Conclusion: the book actually lets you come to your own view by presenting
a summary of various published works and letters, all of which you
could verify independently. It includes refutations to such works as
well. Therefore, even if you think she is theologically warped, this
book is a nice reference summary for the interested.
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6,625 | ites:
Yeah, and the cop couldn't catch me..... | 4 | trimmed_train |
5,616 | ...
Nearly all of them. Witness LA> Firemen are among our real
heroes most of the time. I wonder when they were actually
aasked to come, or if they found out about the fire over the
TV ....
Shot at by whom? prove it!
When "law" replaces "justice" the system is dying or dead.
Note that we had a small revolution 216 years ago on this
point.
Or perhaps just wait.
Or maybeeven send in a few agents who are Christian to
sit down and pray outside the line? Try affinity
rather than subversion?
Chuckle. SO would you if someone points a gun at you.
At that point you can die or live; and if living means
stayng in a building to keep badge carrying nuts off your
kids, I suspect you might as well.
BOTH sides were wrong.
Try again: go see the movie Sophie's CHoice.
Grow up.
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1,837 | :
: >I bought it, I tried it:
:
: >It is, truly, the miracle spooge.
:
: >My chain is lubed, my wheel is clean, after 1000km.
:
: Good, glad to hear it, I'm still studying it.
:
: >I think life is now complete...The shaft drive weenies now
: >have no comeback when I discuss shaft effect.
:
: Sure I do, even though I don't consider myself a weenie...
---------------- rip! pithy "I'm afraid to work on my bike" stuff deleted ---
: There is also damn little if any shaft effect
: with a Concours. So there! :{P PPPpppphhhhhttttttt!!!
:
Heh, heh...that's pretty funny. So what do you call it instead of shaft
effect?
Nathaniel
ZX-10 <--- damn little if any shaft effect
DoD 0812
AMA | 12 | trimmed_train |
1,573 | #21 PETER AHOLA Season: 2nd
Acquired: '92-93, trade with Pittsburgh for future considerations
Grade: I (B)
It is way too early to tell about Ahola, who was acquired probably because the
Penguins figured that they would lose him in the expansion draft. Ahola had
only played 50 games this season (I think it's actually less; the San Jose
Mercury News may be in err here), 20 of them with the Sharks. In the games he
has played, he appeared quite solid defensively, although he hasn't been
spectacular, and his offense isn't anything to write home about (8 points);
it's even possible that the trade may be for future considerations which turn
out to be ... Peter Ahola.
#24 DOUG WILSON Season: 16th
Acquired: '91-92, trade with Chicago for RW Kerry Toporowski and
2nd round pick in '92 entry draft
Grade: I (B)
I have often been accused of overly down on Wilson; I may have had too high
expectations for him, but his legs, knees, et al., are giving out.
Nevertheless, when he was playing, he exhibited a strong shooting and
playmaking abilities, even if he has lost a step on defense, which,
unfortunately, he demonstrated this year as well, as at times he was slow to
catch the opponent forwards, and his offensive output was only good enough for
2nd place on the team (20 points in 42 games). But next year, which may be
Wilson's last, if he can stay healthy, he can still be a contributor.
#29 DEAN KOLSTAD Season: 2nd
Acquired: '91-92, from Minnesota in dispersal draft
Grade: I (C-/D+)
It's probably somewhat unfair for me to judge Kolstad on just a handful of
games (forgetting exact number, but no more than 15), but at age 25 he's
quickly running out of time if he wants to make it to the NHL. In those games,
he did not impress anyone; after generating 7 shots in the first period of
the first game he played, he scored just 2 points in his tenure up here with
the Sharks, and was even less impressive defensively, as he appeared awkward
with his movement and was prone to giveaways. He needs to make a leap in
his level of performance to have any chance of making the team.
#38 PAT MACLEOD Season: 2nd
Acquired: '91-92, from Minnesota in dispersal draft
Grade: I (?)
MacLeod was on the roster a lot longer than Kolstad, but it appears to my
memory that he played less than Kolstad, because the Sharks were reluctant to
use him, but were even more reluctant to send him to the minors, figuring that
he wouldn't clear waivers; in fact, he has played the past 4-5 weeks with
Kansas City, but is still technically there on a rehabilitation assignment,
a "rehab assignment" that will include him playing in the Turner Cup playoffs.
Since he has played so little, I can't even give a tentative grade on him, but
he demonstrated last year excellent offensive skills but terrible defensive
skills.
#41 TOM PEDERSON Season: 1st
Acquired: '91-92, from Minnesota in dispersal draft
Grade: I (B+)
Called up in the middle of the season when the defensive corps was decimated
by injuries, Pederson impressed many Sharks fan here on net, including yours
truly. He demonstrated very good offensive skills, scoring 20 points in
43 games. However, his size (5' 9", 165 lbs.) is of concern, and soon after
he began to shine offensive did teams begin to push him around physically,
on both sides of the ice, although he had appeared fearless in his approach.
But to be successful, he probably needs to bulk up to have a fighting chance
on surviving against some of the bigger players in the league.
#45 CLAUDIO SCREMIN Season: 1st
Acquired: '91-92, from Minnesota in dispersal draft
Grade: I (D+/D)
He played all of ~5 games in the league this year, but was thoroughly
umimpressive, just as he was at the end of last season; again, it may be a
small sample, but just as in the case of Kolstad, Scremin, at age 25, is
quickly running out of time. He was not a contributor on either offense or
defense in the games he played with the Sharks. The only notable thing that
will go down in Scremin's entry of league stats is probably the fact that he
was once traded for now Capitals goaltender Don Beaupre. | 17 | trimmed_train |
5,765 | From article <[email protected]>, by [email protected] (Ruth Ditucci):
I do hope that you are not suggesting that merely because a person
replies in an "acrid, angry and sarcastic" manner that this
demonstrates their 'non-christianity'? The simple fact is that there
is not a Christian on the face of the planet (that I know of!) that is
perfect. I have been known at times to have a fit of temper, or a
sulk, but this does not make me any the less a Christian.
One of the points of being a Christian (as I perceive it) is to become
MORE LIKE Christ. This statement inherently suggests that we ARE NOT
already like Christ. Jesus never unrighteously lost his temper. I
do. Jesus was perfect. I'm not.
You must understand that this is because Christians often forget to
treat others as our role-model - Christ - would. This is because we are
human and falible. I, for one, do not pretend to be infalible, and I
hope that my fellow-men will bear with me when I make mistakes. This
surely is not too much to ask, when I make every effort to bear with
_them_.
And don't we know it!
Again I say, we are ALL human!
To my brethren, this:
Ms Duticci has a valid point and we as Christians ought to heed the
warning in her article. We oftimes discredit ourselves and our
Saviour, in the way that we treat others. Strive towards the goal set
us by our Lord, but in the meantime, remember :
"There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ..."
When you blow it - go easy on yourself. Forgive yourself, as your
Father in heaven forgives you! And remember - and this is something I
firmly beieve and cling to - one day, we shall see Him face to face,
and in that day, we shall (finally!) be perfected.
I look forward to seeing you there.
RRRRR OO BBBBB :
R R OO OO B B :
R R OO OO B BB : Robert Pomeroy
R RR O O B B :
RRRR O O BBBBB : [email protected]
R R O O B B :
R R OO OO B BB : 1993
R R OO OO B B :
R R OO BBBBB :
PS If you want to draw anything to my attention, then please mail me
direct, because I don't often read the news... | 0 | trimmed_train |
7,157 |
Who knows... I just quoted what was "written" in SCSI Director...
I've tried calling Transoft Corp about this and have either gotten the
response "Huh?" to "Yep" to "Nah"... You would expect that a damaging state-
ment like this would have _some_ "data" to back it up...
Anyone want Transoft's phone number? | 14 | trimmed_train |
10,246 | AllMartin MccormickWhat's Exactly in a Flour
MM>From: [email protected] (Martin McCormick)
MM>Organization: Oklahoma State University, Stillwater, OK
MM> What sort of lamp is the little glass bulb found inside the
starter?
MM>It sort of reminds me of a NE2 neon lamp. Starters appear open when m
MM>with an Ohm meter so the little lamp is either a neon or has a capacit
MM>in series with it.
MM>
MM> I have seen these things all my life, but never read a really good
MM>description of what is happening inside that little can.
Do you know what a bi-metallic strip is?
Just in case: it is two strips of different metals bonded together, which
when heated bend to one side (check out the blinker globe in your
christmas tree lights).
So when you turn on the power, this causes the bulb to work like a neon,
heating up and shorting out, thus providing a loop to power the heaters in
the main tube. When the tube fires, insufficient current runs through the
starter to keep the heat up and the bi-metalic strip straightens out
(O/C).
BTW, I too thought that they were nothing more than a small neon, so one
day when the neon in my sisters digital (flip the metal squares type)
clock broke (flimsy leads), I replaced it with one from a starter. Well
powering up made a bit of a mess of the clock! | 11 | trimmed_train |
6,143 |
Things could be worse. A lot worse! In the mid-eighties the
teen/adult sci-fi comic 2000AD (Fleetway) produced a short story
featuring the award winning character "Judge Dredd". The story
focussed on an advertising agency of the future who use high powered
multi-coloured lasers/search lights pointed at the moon to paint
images on the moon. Needless to say, this use hacked off a load of lovers,
romantics and werewolfs/crazies. The ad guys got chopped, the service
discontinued. A cautionary tale indeed!
Marvin Batty. | 10 | trimmed_train |
6,551 | Stupid me. I believed the Democrats stood for principles of personal
privacy while it was the Neanderthal Republicans that wanted into every
aspect of our lives.
Clinton is just more clever than the other guy. Looks like gun control for
privacy technology. One small step at a time.
Remember "Defend Firearms - Defeat Dukakis", followed by Bush's soon-after-
election support for gun-control? This is the Democrats' version
"Defend Free Speech - Reject Republicans" followed by speech control.
Wait a minute.... Let me think about this.
Hmmm, I feel better now. I believe the White House when they tell us
this first step is, in fact, the final step. All is OK. We've nothing to fear.
They're here to help us. God bless America.
Hey, like the grrreat J.R. "Bob" Dobbs says, you've got to pull the
wool over your *own* eyes!
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7,124 | If you want a summer without rain, you're in the wrong place. You must not
have been here a whole year yet. Keep the Rain-X handy my friend.
Thatch | 4 | trimmed_train |
2,053 | burning yourself alive seems a rough way to go, given the waco bunch
had other choices.
but it reminded me of the russian old-believers who, thinking the
antichrist was coming in 1666, grew frantic when Peter the Great
started westernizing Russia and reforming the Russian Church a few
years later. They locked themselves in their churches and burned
themselves alive by the thousands.
are there other cases of apocalypse-obsessed christians resorting
to self-imolation? is there a history of precedents? | 15 | trimmed_train |
25 | Hello,
I am looking to add voice input capability to a user interface I am
developing on an HP730 (UNIX) workstation. I would greatly appreciate
information anyone would care to offer about voice input systems that are
easily accessible from the UNIX environment.
The names or adresses of applicable vendors, as well as any
experiences you have had with specific systems, would be very helpful.
Please respond via email; I will post a summary if there is
sufficient interest.
Thanks,
Ken
P.S. I have found several impressive systems for IBM PC's, but I would
like to avoid the hassle of purchasing and maintaining a separate PC if
at all possible.
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Ken Hinckley ([email protected])
University of Virginia
Neurosurgical Visualization Laboratory | 1 | trimmed_train |
3,013 | [insert deletion of Paul's and Aaron's discourse on anger, ref Galatians
5:19-20]
Oh, but they definitely can be. Please look at Colossians 3:5-10 and
Ephesians 4:25-27. Emotions can be controlled and God puts very strong
emphasis on self-control, otherwise, why would he have Paul write to
Timothy so much about making sure to teach self-control?
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Please, re-think and re-read for yourself, Joe. Again, the issue is
self-control especially over feelings and actions, for our actions stem
from our feelings in many instances. As for God giving in to his anger,
that comes very soon.
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1,993 | I have a new MR535 Mitsubishi hard drive (RLL or MFM) that has been
in storage and will not format. I suspected that the switch settings
may have been moved in the movement of the drive from one place to
another. Does anyone have the switch settings for this drive. It has
J1 SW1 with 6 switches and SW2 has 8 switches. SW2 is the one that
selects the drive number. If you have info on this drive, or know
a number I can call to configure it, please, please let me know by
email. It has 977 cyl 5 heads and I think is type 17.
Thanks in advance!
Chuck Browning | 3 | trimmed_train |
6,519 | Hello,
I have a Hayes 9600 moden with no cables or manuals. The
modem requires a source of 14V AC, but I do not know how
to connect the power source to the 3 pin connector. I know
that the top pin is the ground, so I would guess that the other
two are the AC pins, right? If you have any hints, please
E-Mail me, I really need help... Thanks!!! Duc N.
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6,110 |
Professionals who train guard dogs, when polled, gave themselves a
1 in 4 chance of survival tackling a trained dog unarmed. A trained guard
dog is not to be trifled with. An untrained mutt may be another story.
ObMoto: A local dog used to chase me all the time. Really annoying. I
finally started stopping every time he'd chase me. He didn't know what to do
then and would usually just slink off the road. After a couple weeks of this
he stopped chasing me altogether. He would still chase cars or other bikes,
though. I think he recognized me when I went by ;-).
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4,518 | Hi,
I'm looking for a X-Windows tool that can display data (in a
2D plot) in real time with a couple different signals.
Anybody know of such a gem? Please Email me as I do not read
this group often. | 16 | trimmed_train |
2,055 | Eric, send me your email address, I lost it! I've reconsidered! | 3 | trimmed_train |
219 |
And we all know what an unbiased source the NYT is when it comes to things
concerning Israel.
Neither the Times nor the trained seals who have responded thus far seem to
recognize the statement that these "private funds" were all tax exmpt. In
otherwords, American taxpayers put up at least 30% of the money. And
finalyy, how does "Federal land" mitigate the offensiveness of this alien
monument dedicated to perpetuating pitty and the continual flow of tax money
to a foreign entity? | 6 | trimmed_train |
11,001 | I asked a question a week or so ago about getting more res. on my monitor. I have a Magnavox MagnaScan/17 and am wondering what video cards it supports. ALso, does anybody have Magnavox's EMail ID (if there is one) or maybe a phone number? Please reply by email as I don't read much news.
Thanks,
Steve
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1,292 | Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #008 Part B
Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh
(Part B of #008)
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| "Oh, yes, I just remembered. While they were raping me they |
| repeated quite frequently, "Let the Armenian women have babies |
| for us, Muslim babies, let them bear Azerbaijanis for the |
| struggle against the Armenians." Then they said, "Those |
| Muslims can carry on our holy cause. Heroes!" They repeated |
| it very often." |
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...continued from PART A:
The six of them left. They left and I had an attack. I realized that the dan-
ger was past, and stopped controlling myself. I relaxed for a moment and the
physical pain immediately made itself felt. My heart and kidneys hurt. I had
an awful kidney attack. I rolled back and forth on top of those Christmas
ornaments, howling and howling. I didn't know where I was or how long this
went on. When we figured out the time, later it turned out that I howled and
was in pain for around an hour. Then all my strength was gone and I burst into
tears, I started feeling sorry for myself, and so on and so forth . . .
Then someone came into the room. I think I hear someone calling my name. I
want to respond and restrain myself, I think that I'm hallucinating. I am
silent, and then it continues: it seems that first a man's voice is calling
me, then a woman's. Later I found out that Mamma had sent our neighbor, the
one whose apartment she was hiding in, Uncle Sabir Kasumov, to our place,
telling him, "I know that they've killed Lyuda. Go there and at least bring
her corpse to me so they don't violate her corpse." He went and returned empty
handed, but Mamma thought he just didn't want to carry the corpse into his
apartment. She sent him another time, and then sent his wife, and they were
walking through the rooms looking for me, but I didn't answer their calls.
There was no light, they had smashed the chandeliers and lamps.
They started the pogrom in our apartment around five o'clock, and at 9:30 I
went down to the Kasumovs'. I went down the stairs myself. I walked out of the
apartment: how long can you wait for your own death, how long can you be
cowardly, afraid? Come what will. I walked out and started knocking on the
doors one after the next. No one, not on the fifth floor, not on the fourth,
opened the door. On the third floor, on the landing of the stairway, Uncle
Sabir's son started to shout, "Aunt Roza, don't cry, Lyuda's alive!" He
knocked on his own door and out came Aunt Tanya, Igor, and after them, Mamma.
Aunt Tanya, Uncle Sabir's wife, is an Urdmurt. All of us were in their
apartment. I didn't see Karina, but she was in their home, too, Lying
delirious, she had a fever. Marina was there too, and my father and mother.
All of my family had gathered there.
At the door I lost consciousness. Igor and Aunt Tanya carried me into the
apartment.
Later I found out what they had done to our Karina. Mamma said, "Lyuda,
Karina's in really serious condition, she's probably dying. If she recognizes
you, don't cry, don't tell her that her face looks so awful." It was as though
her whole face was paralyzed, you know, everything was pushed over to one
side, her eye was all swollen, and everything flowed together, her lips, her
cheeks . . . It was as though they had dragged her right side around the whole
microdistrict, that's how disfigured her face was. I said, "Fine." Mamma was
afraid to go into the room, because she went in and hugged Karina and started
to cry. I went in. As soon as I saw her my legs gave way. I fell down near the
bed, hugged her legs and started kissing them and crying. She opened the eye
that was intact, looked at me, and said, "Who is it?" But I could barely talk,
my whole face was so badly beaten. I didn't say, but rather muttered something
tender, something incomprehensible, but tender, "My Karochka, my Karina, my
little golden one . . . " She understood me.
Then Igor brought me some water, I drank it down and moistened Karina's lips.
She started to groan. She was saying something to me, but I couldn't
understand it. Then I made out, "It hurts, I hurt all over." Her hair was
glued down with blood. I stroked her forehead, her head, she had grit on her
forehead, and on her lips . . . She was groaning again, and I don't know how
to help her. She calls me over with her hand, come closer. I go to her. She's
saying something to me, but I can't understand her. Igor brings her a pencil
and paper and says, "Write it down." She shakes her head as if to say, no, I
can't write. I can't understand what she's saying. She wanted to tell me
something, but she couldn't. I say, "Karina, just lie there a little while,
then maybe you'll feel better and you can tell me then." And then she says,
"Maybe it'll be too late." And I completely . . . just broke down, I couldn't
control myself.
Then I moistened my hand in the water and wiped her forehead and eye. I dipped
a handkerchief into the water and squeezed a little water onto her lips. She
says, "Lyuda, we're not saved yet, we have to go somewhere else. Out of this
damned house. They want to kill us, I know. They'll find us here, too. We need
to call Urshan." She repeated this to me for almost a whole hour, Until I
understood her every word. I ask, "What's his number?" Urshan Feyruzovich,
that's the head of the administration where she works. "We have to call him."
But I didn't know his home number. I say, "Karina, what's his number?" She
says, "I can't remember." I say, "Who knows his number? Who can I call?" She
says, "I don't know anything, leave me alone."
I went out of the room. Igor stayed to watch over her and sat there, he was
crying, too. I say, "Mamma, Karina says that we have to call Urshan. How can
we call him? Who knows his telephone number?" I tell Marina, "Think, think,
who can we call to find out?" She started calling; several people didn't
answer. She called a girlfriend, her girlfriend called another girlfriend and
found out the number and called us back. The boss's wife answered and said he
was at the dacha. My voice keeps cracking, I can't talk normally. She says,
"Lyuda, don't panic, get a hold of yourself, go out to those hooligans and
tell them that they just can't do that." She still didn't know what was really
going on. I said, "It's easy for you to say that, you don't understand what's
happening. They are killing people here. I don't think there is a single
Armenian left in the building, they've cut them all up. I'm even surprised
that we managed to save ourselves. "She says, "Well, OK, if it's that serious
. . . " And all the same she's thinking that my emotions are all churned up
and that I'm fearing for my life, that in fact it's not all that bad. "OK,
fine, fine," she says, "if you're afraid, OK, as soon as Urshan comes back
I'll send him over."
We called again because they had just started robbing the apartment directly
under Aunt Tanya's, on the second floor, Asya Dallakian's apartment. She
wasn't home, she was staying with her daughter in Karabagh. They destroyed
everything there . . . We realized that they still might come back. We kept on
trying to get through to Aunt Tanya--Urshan's wife is named Tanya too and
finally we get through. She says, "Yes, he's come home, he's leaving for your
place now." He came. Of course he didn't know what was happening, either,
because he brought two of his daughters with him. He came over in his jeep
with his two daughters, like he was going on an outing. He came and saw what
shape we were in and what was going on in town and got frightened. He has
grown up daughters, they're almost my age.
The three of us carried out Karina, tossed a coat on her and a warm scarf, and
went down to his car. He took Karina and me to the Maternity Home. . . No,
first they took us to the po]ice precinct. They had stretchers ready. As
soon as we got out of the car they put Karina and me on stretchers and said
that we were in serious condition and that we mustn't move, we might have
fractures. From the stretcher I saw about 30 soldiers sitting and lying on the
first floor, bandaged, on the concrete floor, groaning . . . This was around
eleven o'clock at night. We had left the house somewhere around 1:30. When I
saw those soldiers I realized that a war was going on: soldiers, enemies
. . . everything just like a war.
They carried me into some office on the stretcher. The emergency medical
people from Baku were there. The medical attendant there was an older
Armenian. Urshan told him what they had done to Karina because she's so proud
she would never have told. And this aging Armenian . . . his name was Uncle
Arkady, I think, because someone said "Arkady, get an injection ready," he
started to fill a syringe, and turned around so as to give Karina a shot. But
when he looked at her face he became ill. And he was an old man, in his
sixties, his hair was all grey, and his moustache, too. He hugged Karina and
started to cry: "What have they done to you?!" He was speaking Armenian. "What
have they done to you?!" Karina didn't say anything. Mamma came in then, and
she started to cry, too. The man tried to calm her. "I'll give you a shot."
Mamma tells him, "I don't need any shot. Where is the government? Just what
are they doing? Look what they've done to my children! They're killing people,
and you're just sitting here!" Some teacups were standing on the table in
there. "You're sitting here drinking tea! Look what they've done to my
daughters! Look what they've turned them into!" They gave her something to
drink, some heart medicine, I think. They gave Karina an injection and the
doctor said that she had to be taken to the Maternity Home immediately. Papa
and Urshan, I think, even though Papa was in bad shape, helped carry Karina
out. When they put her on the stretcher, none of the medics got near her. I
don't know, maybe there weren't any orderlies. Then they came to me: "What's
the matter with you?" Their tone was so official that I wrapped myself tighter
in the half-length coat. I had a blanket on, too, an orange one, Aunt Tanya's.
I said, "I'm fine." Uncle Arkady came over and was soothing me, and then told
the doctor, "You leave, let a woman examine her." A woman came, an
Azerbaijani, I believe, and said, "What's wrong with you?" I was wearing my
sister Lyuda's nightshirt, the sister who at this time was in Yerevan. When
she was nursing her infant she had cut out a big hole in it so that it would
be easier to breast feed the baby. I tore the night shirt some more and showed
her. I took it off my shoulders and turned my back to her. There was a huge
wound, about the size of a hand, on my back, from the Indian vase. She said
something to them and they gave me two shots. She said that it should be
dressed with something, but that they'd do that in the hospital.
They put me on a stretcher, too. They started looking for people to carry me.
I raised up my head a little and wanted to sit up, and this woman, I don't
know if she was a doctor or a nurse, said, "Lie still, you mustn't move." When
I was lying back down I saw two policemen leading a man. His profile seemed
very familiar to me. I shouted, "Stop!" One of the policemen turned and says,
"What do you want?" I say, "Bring him to me, I want to look at him." They
brought him over and I said, "That person was just in our apartment and he
just raped me and my sister. I recognize him, note it down." They said,
"Fine," but didn't write it down and led him on. I don't know where they were
taking him.
Then they put my stretcher near where the injured and beaten soldiers were
sitting. They went to look for the ambulance driver so he would bring the car
up closer. One of the soldiers started talking to me, "Sister . . . " I don't
remember the conversation exactly, but he asked me were we lived and what they
did to us. I asked him, "Where are you from?" He said that he was from Ufa.
Apparently they were the first that were brought in. The Ufa police. Later I
learned that they suffered most of all. He says, "OK, you're Armenians, they
didn't get along with you, but I'm a Russian," he says, "what are they trying
to kill me for?" Oh, I remembered something else. When I went out onto the
balcony with Kuliyev for a hammer and nails I looked out the window and saw
two Azerbaijanis beating a soldier near the kindergarten. He was pressed
against the fence and he covered his head with his arms, they were beating him
with his own club. The way he cried "Mamma" made my skin crawl. I don't know
what they did to him, if he's still alive or not. And something else. Before
he attack on our house we saw sheets, clothes, and some dishes flying from the
third or fourth floor of the neighboring building, but I didn't think it was
Azerbaijanis attacking Armenians. I thought that something was on fire or they
were throwing something they didn't need out, or someone was fighting with
someone. It was only later, when they were burning a passenger car in the
yard, when the neighbors said that they were doing that to the Armenians, that
I realized that this was serious, that it was anti-Armenian.
They took Karina and me to the Sumgait Maternity Home. Mamma went to them too
and said, "I've been beaten too, help me." But they just ignored her. My
father went to them and said in a guilty voice, as though it was his fault
that he'd been beaten, and says, "My ribs hurt so much, those creeps have
probably broken my ribs. Please look at them." The doctor says, "That's not my
job." Urshan said, "Fine, I'll take you to my place and if we need a doctor,
I'll find you one. I'll bring one and have him look at you. And he drove them
to his apartment.
Marina and I stayed there. They examined us. I was more struck by what the
doctor said than by what those Azerbaijanis in our apartment did to us. I
wasn't surprised when they beat us they wanted to beat us, but I was very
surprised that in a Soviet medical facility a woman who had taken the
Hippocratic Oath could talk to victims like that. By happy--or unhappy--
coincidence we were seen by the doctor that had delivered our Karina. And she,
having examined Karina, said, "No problem, you got off pretty good. Not like
they did in Kafan, when you Armenians were killing and raping our women.
"Karina was in such terrible condition that she couldn't say anything--she
would certainly have had something to say! Then they examined me. The same
story. They put us in a separate ward. No shots, no medicinal powders, no
drugs. Absolutely none! They didn't even give us tea. All the women there soon
found out that in ward such and such were Armenians who had been raped. And
they started coming and peering through the keyhole, the way people look at
zoo animals. Karina didn't see this, she was lying there, and I kept her from
seeing it.
They put Ira B. in our ward. She had also been raped. True, she didn't have
any serious bodily injuries, but when she told me what had happened at their
place, I felt worse for them than I did for us. Because when they raped Ira
her daughter was in the room, she was under the bed on which it happened. And
Ira was holding her daughter's hand, the one who was hiding under the bed.
When they were beating Ira or taking her earrings off, gold, when she
involuntarily let go of her daughter's hand, her daughter took her hand again.
Her daughter is in the fourth grade, she's 11 years old. I felt really awful
when I heard that. Ira asked them not to harm her daughter, she said, "Do what
you want with me, just leave my daughter alone." Well, they did what they
wanted. They threatened to kill her daughter if she got in their way. Now I
would be surprised if the criminals had behaved any other way that night. It
was simply Bartholomew's Night, I say, they did what they would love to do
every day: steal, kill, rape . . .
Many are surprised that those animals didn't harm the children. The beasts
explained it like this: this would be repeated in 15 to 20 years, and those
children would be grown, and then, as they put it, "we'll come take the
pleasure out of their lives, those children." This was about the girls that
would be young women in 15 years. They were thinking about their tomorrow
because they were sure that there would be no trial and no investigation, just
as there was no trial or investigation in 1915, and that those girls could be
of some use in 15 years. This I heard from the investigators; one of the
victims testified to it. That's how they described their own natures, that
they would still be bloodthirsty in 15 to 20 years, and in 100 years--they
themselves said that.
And this, too. Everyone is surprised that they didn't harm our Marina. Many
people say that they either were drunk or had smoked too much. I don't know
why their eyes were red. Maybe because they hadn't slept the night before,
maybe for some other reason, I don't know. But they hadn't been smoking and
they weren't drunk, I'm positive, because someone who has smoked will stop at
nothing he has the urge to do. And they spoke in a cultured fashion with
Marina: "Little sister, don't be afraid, we won't harm you, don't look over
there [where I was], you might be frightened. You're a Muslim, a Muslim woman
shouldn't see such things." So they were really quite sober . . .
So we came out of that story alive. Each every day we have lived since it all
happened bears the mark of that day. It wasn't even a day, of those several
hours. Father still can't look us in the eyes. He still feels guilty for what
happened to Karina, Mother, and me. Because of his nerves he's started talk-
ing to himself, I've heard him argue with himself several times when he
thought no one is listening: "Listen," he'll say, "what could I do? What could
I do alone, how could I protect them?" I don't know where to find the words,
it's not that I'm happy, but I am glad that he didn't see it all happen.
That's the only thing they spared us . . . or maybe it happened by chance. Of
course he knows it all, but there's no way you could imagine every last detail
of what happened. And there were so many conversations: Karina and I spoke
together in private, and we talked with Mamma, too. But Father was never
present at those conversations. We spare him that, if you can say that. And
when the investigator comes to the house, we don't speak with Father present.
On February 29, the next clay, Karina and I were discharged from the hospital.
First they released me, but since martial law had been declared in the city,
the soldiers took me to the police precinct in an armored personnel carrier.
There were many people there, Armenian victims. I met the Tovmasian family
there. From them I learned that Rafik and their Uncle Grant had died. They
were sure that both had died. They were talking to me and Raya, Rafik's wife
and Grant's daughter, and her mother, were both crying.
Then they took us all out of the office on the first floor into the yard.
There's a little one-room house outside there, a recreation and reading area.
They took us in there. The women were afraid to go because they thought
that they were shooing us out of the police precinct because it had become
so dangerous that even the people working at the precinct wanted to hide.
The women were shouting. They explained to them: "We want to hide you
better because it's possible there will be an attack on the police precinct."
We went into the little house. There were no chairs or tables in there. We
had children with us and they were hungry; we even had infants who needed to
have their diapers changed. No one had anything with them. It was just awful.
They kept us there for 24 hours. From the window of the one room house you
could see that there were Azerbaijanis standing on the fences around the
police precinct, as though they were spying on us. The police precinct is
surrounded by a wall, like a fence, and it's electrified, but if they were
standing on the wall, it means the electricity was shut off. This brought
great psychological pressure to bear on us, particularly on those who hadn't
just walked out of their apartments, but who hadn't slept for 24 hours, or 48,
or those who had suffered physically and spiritually, the ones who had lost
family members. For us it was another ordeal. We were especially frightened
when all the precinct employees suddenly disappeared. We couldn't see a single
person, not in the courtyard and not in the windows. We thought that they must
have already been hiding under the building, that they must have some secret
room down there. People were panicking: they started throwing themselves at
one another . . . That's the way it is on a sinking ship. We heard those
people, mainly young people, whistling and whopping on the walls. We felt that
the end was approaching. I was completely terrified: I had left Karina in the
hospital and didn't know where my parents were. I was sort of calm about my
parents, I was thinking only about Karina, if, Heaven forbid, they should
attack the hospital, they would immediately tell them that there was an
Armenian in there, and something terrible would happen to Karina again, and
she wouldn't be able to take it.
Then soldiers with dogs appeared. When they saw the dogs some of the people
climbed down off the fence. Then they brought in about another 30 soldiers.
They all had machine guns in readiness, their fingers on the triggers. We
calmed down a little. They brought us chairs and brought the children some
little cots and showed us where we could wash our hands, and took the children
to the toilet. But we all sat there hungry, but to be honest, it would never
have occurred to any of us that we hadn't eaten for two days and that people
do eat.
Then, closer to nightfall, they brought a group of detained criminals. They
were being watched by soldiers with guard dogs. One of the men came back from
the courtyard and told us about it. Raya Tovmasian . . . it was like a
different woman had been substituted. Earlier she had been crying, wailing,
and calling out: "Oh, Rafik!," but when she heard about this such a rage came
over her! She jumped up, she had a coat on, and she started to roll up her
sleeves like she was getting ready to beat someone. And suddenly there were
soldiers, and dogs, and lots of people. She ran over to them. The bandits were
standing there with their hands above their heads facing the wall. She went up
to one of them and grabbed him by the collar and started to shake and thrash
him! Then, on to a second, and a third. Everyone was rooted to the spot. Not
one of the soldiers moved, no one went up to help or made her stop her from
doing it. And the bandits fell down and covered their heads with their hands,
muttering something. She came back and sat down, and something akin to a smile
appeared on her face. She became so quiet: no tears, no cries. Then that round
was over and she went back to beat them again. She was walking and cursing
terribly: take that, and that, they killed my husband, the bastards, the
creeps, and so on. Then she came back again and sat down. She probably did
this the whole night through, well, it wasn't really night, no one slept. She
went five or six times and beat them and returned. And she told the women,
"What are you sitting there for? They killed your husbands and children, they
raped, and you're just sitting there. You're sitting and talking as though
nothing had happened. Aren't you Armenians?" She appealed to everyone, but no
one got up. I was just numb, I didn't have the strength to beat anyone, I
could barely hold myself up, all the more so since I had been standing for so
many hours--I was released at eleven o'clock in the morning and it was already
after ten at night because there weren't enough chairs, really it was the
elderly and women with children who sat. I was on my feet the whole time.
There was nothing to breathe, the door was closed, and the men were smoking.
The situation was deplorable.
At eleven o'clock at night policemen came for us, local policemen,
Azerbaijanis. They said, "Get up. They've brought mattresses, you can wash up
and put the children to bed." Now the women didn't want to leave this place,
either. The place had become like home, it was safe, there were soldiers with
dogs. If anyone went outside, the soldiers would say, "Oh, it's our little
family," and things like that. The soldiers felt this love, and probably, for
the first time in their lives perceived themselves as defenders. Everyone
spoke from the heart, cried, and hugged them and they, with their loaded
machine guns in their hands, said, "Grandmother, you mustn't approach me,
I'm on guard." Our people would say, "Oh, that's all right." They hugged
them, one woman even kissed one of the machine guns. This was all terribly
moving for me. And the small children kept wanting to pet the dogs.
They took us up to the second floor and said, "You can undress and sleep in
here. Don't be afraid, the precinct is on guard, and it's quiet in the city."
This was the 29th, when the killing was going on in block 41A and in other
places. Then we were told that all the Armenians were being gathered at the
SK club and at the City Party Committee. They took us there. On the way I
asked them to stop at the Maternity Home: I wanted to take Karina with me.
I didn't know what was happening there. They told me, "Don't worry, the
Maternity Home is full of soldiers, more than mothers-to-be. So you can rest
assured. I say, "Well, I won't rest assured regardless, because the staff in
there is capable of anything."
When I arrived at the City Party Committee it turned out that Karina had
already been brought there. They had seen fit to release her from the hospi-
tal, deciding that she felt fine and was no longer in need of any care. Once
we were in the City Party Committee we gave free reign to our tears. We met
acquaintances, but everyone was somehow divided into two groups, those who
hadn't been injured, who were clothed, who had brought a pot of food with
them, and so on, and those, like me, like Raya, who were wearing whatever had
come their way. There were even people who were all made up, dolled up like
they had come from a wedding. There were people without shoes, naked people,
hungry people, those who were crying, and those who had lost someone. And of
course the stories and the talk were flying: "Oh, I heard that they killed
him!" "What do you mean they killed him!" "He stayed at work!" "Do you know
what's happening at this and such a plant? Talk like that.
And then I met Aleksandr Mikhailovich Gukasian, the teacher. I know him very
well and respect him highly. I've known him for a long time. They had a small
room, well really it was more like a study-room. We spent a whole night
talking in that study once. On March 1 we heard that Bagirov [First Secretary
of the Communist Party of Azerbaijan SSR] had arrived. Everyone ran to see
Bagirov, what news he had brought with him and how this was all being viewed
from outside. He arrived and everyone went up to him to talk to him and ask
him things. Everyone was in a tremendous rage. But he was protected by
soldiers, and he went up to the second floor and didn't deign to speak with
the people. Apparently he had more important things to do.
Several hours passed. Gukasian called me and says, "Lyudochka, find another
two or three. We're going to make up lists, they asked for them upstairs,
lists of the dead, those whose whereabouts are unknown, and lists of people
who had pogroms of their apartments and of those whose cars were burned." I
had about 50 people in my list when they called me and said, "Lyuda, your
Mamma has arrived, she's looking for you, she doesn't believe that you are
alive and well and that you're here." I gave the lists to someone and asked
them to continue what I was doing and went off.
The list was imprecise, of course. It included Grant Adamian, Raya Tovmasian's
father, who was alive, but at the time they thought him dead. There was Engels
Grigorian's father and aunt, Cherkez and Maria. The list also included the
name of my girlfriend and neighbor, Zhanna Agabekian. One of the guys said
that he had been told that they chopped her head off in the courtyard in front
of the Kosmos movie theater. We put her on the list too, and cried, but later
it turned out that that was just a rumor, that in fact an hour earlier she had
somehow left Sumgait for the marina and from there had set sail for
Krasnovodsk, where, thank God, she was alive and well. I should also say that
in addition to those who died that list contained people who were rumored
missing or who were so badly wounded that they were given up for dead. 3
All the lists were taken to Bagirov. I don't remember how many dead were
contained in the list, but it's a fact that when Gukasian came in a couple
of minutes later he was cursing and was terribly irate. I asked, "What's
going on?" He said, "Lyuda, can you imagine what animals, what scoundrels
they are! They say that they lost the list of the dead. Piotr Demichev
[Member of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the Communist Party
of the USSR] has just arrived, and we were supposed to submit the list to
him, so that he'd see the scope of the slaughter, of the tragedy, whether it
was one or fifty." They told him that the list had disappeared and they
should ask everyone who hadn't left for the Khimik boarding house all over
again. There were 26 people on our second list. I think that the number 26
was the one that got into the press and onto television and the radio, because
that's the list that Demichev got. I remember exactly that there were 26
people on the list, I had even told Aleksandr Mikhailovich that that was only
a half of those that were on the first list. He said, "Lyuda, please, try to
remember at least one more." But I couldn't remember anyone else. But there
were more than 30 dead. Of that I am certain. The government and the Procuracy
don't count the people who died of fright, like sick people and old people
whose lives are threatened by any shock. They weren't registered as victims of
the Sumgait tragedy. And then there may be people we didn't know. So many
people left Sumgait between March 1 and 8! Most of them left for smaller towns
in Russia, and especially to the Northern Caucasus, to Stavropol, and the
Krasnodarsk Territory. We don't have any information on them. I know that
there are people who set out for parts around Moscow. In the periodical
Krestyanka [Woman Farmer] there was a call for people who know how to milk
cows, and for mechanics, and drivers, and I know a whole group of people went
to help out. Also clearly not on our list are those people who died entering
the city, who were burned in their cars. No one knows about them, except the
Azerbaijanis, who are hardly likely to say anything about it. And there's
more. A great many of the people who were raped were not included in the list
drawn up at the Procuracy. I know of three instances for sure, and I of course
don't know them all. I'm thinking of three women whose parents chose not to
publicize what had happened, that is, they didn't take the matter to court,
they simply left. But in so doing they didn't cease being victims. One of them
is the first cousin of my classmate Kocharian. She lived in Microdistrict No.
8, on the fifth floor. I can't tell you the building number and I don't know
her name. Then comes the neighbor of one of my relatives, she lived in
Microdistrict 1 near the gift shop. I don't know her name, she lives on the
same landing as the Sumgait procurator. They beat her father, he was holding
the door while his daughter hid, but he couldn't hold the door forever, and
when she climbed over the balcony to the neighbors' they seized her by her
braid. Like the Azerbaijanis were saying, it was a very cultured mob, because
they didn't kill anyone, they only raped them and left. And the third one
. . . I don't remember who the third one was anymore.
They transferred us on March 1. Karina still wasn't herself. Yes, we lived for
days in the SK, in the cultural facility, and at the Khimik. They lived there
and I lived at the City Party Committee because I couldn't stay with Karina;
it was too difficult for me, but I was at peace: she had survived. I could
already walk, but really it was honest words that held me up. Thanks to the
social work I did there, I managed to persevere. Aleksandr Mikhailovich said,
"If it weren't for the work I would go insane." He and I put ourselves in gear
and took everything upon ourselves: someone had an infant and needed diapers
and free food, and we went to get them. The first days we bought everything,
although we should have received it for free. They were supposed to have been
dispensed free of charge, and they sold it to us. Then, when we found out it
was free, we went to Krayev. At the time, fortunately, you could still drop by
to see him like a neighbor, all the more so since everything was still clearly
visible on our faces. Krayev sent a captain down and he resolved the issue.
On March 2 they sent two investigators to see us: Andrei Shirokov and Vladimir
Fedorovich Bibishev. The way it worked out, in our family they had considered
only Karina and me victims, maybe because she and I wound up in the hospital.
Mother and Father are considered witnesses, but not victims.
Shirokov was involved with Karina's case, and Bibishev, with mine. After I
told him everything, he and I planned to sit down with the identikit and
record everyone I could remember while everything was still fresh in my mind.
We didn't work with the identikit until the very last day because the
conditions weren't there. The investigative group worked slowly and did poor
quality work solely because the situation wasn't conducive to working: there
weren't enough automobiles, especially during the time when there was a
curfew, and there were no typewriters for typing transcripts, and no still or
video cameras. I think that this was done on purpose. We're not so poor that
we can't supply our investigators with all that stuff. It was done especially
to draw out the investigation, all the more so since the local authorities saw
that the Armenians were leaving at the speed of light, never to return to
Sumgait. And the Armenians had a lot to say I came to an agreement with
Bibishev, I told him myself, "Don't you worry, if it takes us a month or two
months, I'll be here. I'm not afraid, I looked death in the eyes five times in
those two days, I'll help you conduct the investigation."
He and I worked together a great deal, and I used this to shelter Karina, I
gave them so much to do that for a while they didn't have the time to get to
her, so that she would at least have a week or two to get back to being her-
self. She was having difficulty breathing so we looked for a doctor to take x-
rays. She couldn't eat or drink for nine days, she was nauseous. I didn't eat
and drank virtually nothing for five days. Then, on the fifth day, when we
were in Baku already, the investigator told me, "How long can you go on like
this? Well fine, so you don't want to eat, you don't love yourself, you're
not taking care of yourself, but you gave your word that you would see this
investigation through. We need you." Then I started eating, because in fact I
was exhausted. It wasn't enough that I kept seeing those faces in our apart-
ment in my mind, every day I went to the investigative solitary confinement
cells and prisons. I don't know . . . we were just everywhere! Probably in
every prison in the city of Baku and in all the solitary confinement cells of
Sumgait. At that time they had even turned the drunk tank into solitary
confinement.
Thus far I have identified 31 of the people who were in our apartment. Mamma
identified three, and Karina, two. The total is 36. Marina didn't identify
anyone, she remembers the faces of two or three, But they weren't among the
photographs of those detained. I told of the neighbor I recognized. The one
who went after the axe. He still hasn't been detained, he's still on the
loose. He's gone, and it's not clear if he will be found or not. I don't know
his first or last name. I know which building he lived in and I know his
sisters' faces. But he's not in the city. The investigators informed me that
even if the investigation is closed and even if the trial is over they will
continue looking for him.
The 31 people I identified are largely blue-collar workers from various
plants, without education, and of the very lowest level in every respect.
Mostly their ages range from 20 to 30 years; there was one who was 48. Only
one of them was a student. He was attending the Azerbaijan Petroleum and
Chemical Institute in Sumgait, his mother kept trying to bribe the investiga-
tor. Once, thinking that I was an employee and not a victim, she said in front
of me "I'll set you up a restaurant worth 500 rubles and give you 600 in cash
simply for keeping him out of Armenia," that is, to keep him from landing in
a prison on Armenian soil. They're all terribly afraid of that, because if the
investigator is talking with a criminal and the criminal doesn't confess even
though we identified him, they tell him--in order to apply psychological
pressure--they say, "Fine, don't confess, just keep silent. When you're in an
Armenian prison, when they find out who you are, they'll take care of you
in short order." That somehow gets to them. Many give in and start to talk.
The investigators and I were in our apartment and videotaped the entire
pogrom of our apartment, as an investigative experiment. It was only then
that I saw the way they had left our apartment. Even without knowing who was
in our apartment, you could guess. They stole, for example, all the money and
all the valuables, but didn't take a single book. They tore them up, burned
them, poured water on them, and hacked them with axes. Only the Materials
from the 27th Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and James
Fenimore Cooper's Last of the Mohigans. Oh yes, lunch was ready, we were
boiling a chicken, and there were lemons for tea on the table. After they had
been in our apartment, both the chicken and the lemons were gone. That's
enough to tell you what kind of people were in our apartment, people who don't
even know anything about books. They didn't take a single book, but they did
take worn clothing, food, and even the cheapest of the cheap, worn-out
slippers.
Of those whom I identified, four were Kafan Azerbaijanis living in Sumgait.
Basically, the group that went seeking "revenge"--let's use their word for
it--was joined by people seeking easy gain and thrill-seekers. I talked with
one of them. He had gray eyes, and somehow against the back-drop of all that
black I remembered him specifically because of his of his eyes. Besides taking
part in the pogrom of our apartment, he was also involved in the murder of
Tamara Mekhtiyeva from Building 16. She was an older Armenian who had recently
arrived from Georgia, she lived alone and did not have anyone in Sumgait. I
don't know why she had a last name like that, maybe she was married to an
Azerbaijani. I had laid eyes on this woman only once or twice, and know
nothing about her. I do know that they murdered her in her apartment with an
axe. Murdering her wasn't enough for them. They hacked her into pieces and
threw them into the tub with water.
I remember another guy really well too, he was also rather fair-skinned. You
know, all the people who were in our apartment were darker than dark, both
their hair and their skin. And in contrast with them, in addition to the grey-
eyed one, I remember this one fellow, the one l took to be a Lezgin. I
identified him. As it turned out he was Eduard Robertovich Grigorian, born
in the city of Sumgait, and he had been convicted twice. One of our own. How
did I remember him? The name Rita was tattooed on his left or right hand. I
kept thinking, is that Rita or "puma," which it would be if you read the word
as Latin characters instead of Cyrillic, because the Cyrillic "T" was the one
that looks like a Latin "M." When they led him in he sat with his hands behind
his back. This was at the confrontation. He swore on every holy book, tried to
put in an Armenian word here and there to try and spark my compassion, and
told me that I was making a mistake, and called me "dear sister." He said,
"You're wrong, how could I, an Armenian, raise my hand against my own, an
Armenian," and so on. He spoke so convincingly that even the investigator
asked me, "Lyuda, are you sure it was he?" I told him, "I'll tell you one more
identifying mark. If I'm wrong I shall apologize and say I was mistaken. The
name Rita is tattooed on his left or right hand." He went rigid and became
pale. They told him, "Put your hands on the table." He put his hands on the
table with the palms up. I said, "Now turn your hands over," but he didn't
turn his hands over. Now this infuriated me. If he had from the very start
acknowledged his guilt and said that he hadn't wanted to do it, that they
forced him or something else, I would have treated him somewhat differently.
But he insolently stuck to his story, "No, I did not do anything, it wasn't
me." When they turned his hands over the name Rita was in fact tattooed on his
hand. His face distorted and he whispered something wicked. I immediately flew
into a rage. There was an ashtray on the table, a really heavy one, made out
of granite or something, very large, and it had ashes and butts in it.
Catching myself quite by surprise, I hurled that ashtray at him. But he ducked
and the ashtray hit the wall, and ashes and butts rained down on his head and
back. And he smiled. When he smiled it provoked me further. I don't know how,
but I jumped over the table between us and started either pounding him or
strangling him; I no longer remember which. When I jumped I caught the
microphone cord. The investigator was there, Tolya . . .I no longer recall his
last name, and he says, "Lyudochka, it's a Japanese microphone! Please . . .
" And shut off all the equipment on the spot, it was all being video taped.
They took him away. I stayed, and they talked to me a little to calm me down,
because we needed to go on working, I only remember Tolya telling me, "You're
some actress! What a performance!" I said, "Tolya, honestly . . . " Beforehand
they would always tell me, "Lyuda, more emotion. You speak as calmly as if
nothing had happened to you." I say, "I don't have any more strength or
emotion. All my emotions are behind me now, I no longer have the strength
. . . I don't have the strength to do anything." And he says, "Lyuda, how were
you able to do that?" And when I returned to normal, drinking tea and watching
the tape, I said, "Can I really have jumped over that table? I never jumped
that high in gym class."
So you could say the gang that took over our apartment was international. Of
the 36 we identified there was an Armenian, a Russian, Vadim Vorobyev, who
beat Mamma, and 34 Azerbaijanis.
At the second meeting with Grigorian, when he had completely confessed his
guilt, he told of how on February 27 the Azerbaijanis had come knocking. Among
them were guys--if you can call them guys--he knew from prison. They said,
"Tomorrow we're going after the Armenians. Meet us at the bus station at three
o'clock." He said, "No, I'm not coming." They told him, "If you don't come
we'll kill you." He said, "Alright, I'll come." And he went.
They also went to visit my classmate from our microdistrict, Kamo Pogosian. He
had also been in prison; I think that together they had either stolen a
motorcycle or dismantled one to get some parts they needed. They called him
out of his apartment and told him the same thing: "Tomorrow we're going to get
the Armenians. Be there." He said, "No." They pulled a knife on him. He said,
"I'm not going all the same." And in the courtyard on the 27th they stabbed
him several times, in the stomach. He was taken to the hospital. I know he was
in the hospital in Baku, in the Republic hospital. If we had known about that
we would have had some idea of what was to come on the 28th.
I'll return to Grigorian, what he did in our apartment. I remember that he
beat me along with all the rest. He spoke Azerbaijani extremely well. But he
was very fair-skinned, maybe that led me to think that they had it out for
him, too. But later it was proved that he took part in the beating and burning
of Shagen Sargisian. I don't know if he participated in the rapes in our
apartment; I didn't see, I don't remember. But the people who were in our
apartment who didn't yet know that he was an Armenian said that he did. I
don't know if he confessed or not, and I myself don't recall because I blacked
out very often. But I think that he didn't participate in the rape of Karina
because he was in the apartment the whole time. When they carried her into the
courtyard, he remained in the apartment.
At one point I was talking with an acquaintance about Edik Grigorian. From her
I learned that his wife was a dressmaker, his mother is Russian, he doesn't
have a father, and that he's been convicted twice. Well this will be his third
and, I hope, last sentence. He beat his wife, she was eternally coming to work
with bruises. His wife was an Armenian by the name of Rita.
The others who were detained . . . well they're little beasts. You really can't
call them beasts, they're just little beasts. They were robots carrying out
someone else's will, because at the investigation they all said, "I don't
understand how I could have done that, I was out of my head." But we know that
they were won around to it and prepared for it, that's why they did it. In the
name of Allah, in the name of the Koran, in the name of propagating Islam--
that's holy to them--that's why they did everything they were commanded to do.
Because I saw they didn't have minds of their own, I'm not talking about their
level of cultural sophistication or any higher values. No education, they
work, have a slew of children without the means to raise them properly, they
crowd them in, like at the temporary housing, and apparently, they were
promised that if they slaughtered the Armenians they would receive apartments.
So off they went. Many of them explained their participation saying, "they
promised us apartments."
Among them was one who genuinely repented. I am sure that he repented from the
heart and that he just despised himself after the incident. He worked at a
children's home, an Azerbaijani, he has two children, and his wife works at
the children's home too. Everything that they acquired, everything that they
have they earned by their own labor, and wasn't inherited from parents or
grandparents. And he said, "I didn't need anything I just don't know . . . how
I ended up in that; it was like some hand was guiding me. I had no will of my
own, I had no strength, no masculine dignity, nothing." And the whole time I
kept repeating, "Now you imagine that someone did the same to your young wife
right before your own eyes." He sat there and just wailed.
But that leader in the Eskimo dogskin coat was not detained. He performed a
marvelous disappearing act, but I think that they'll get onto him, they just
have to work a little, because that Vadim, that boy, according to his
grandfather, is in touch with the young person who taught him what to do, how
to cover his tracks. He was constantly exchanging jackets with other boys he
knew and those he didn't, either, and other things as well, and changed
himself like a chameleon so they wouldn't get onto him, but he was detained.
That one in the Eskimo dogskin coat was at the Gambarians' after Aleksandr
Gambarian was murdered. He came in and said, "Let's go, enough, you've spilled
enough blood here."
Maybe Karina doesn't know this but the reason they didn't finish her off was
that they were hoping to take her home with them. I heard this from Aunt Tanya
and her sons, the Kasumovs, who were in the courtyard near the entryway. They
liked her very much, and they had decided to take her to home with them. When
Karina came to at one point--she doesn't remember this yet, this the neighbors
old me--and she saw that there was no one around her, she started crawling to
the entryway. They saw that she was still alive and came back, they were
already at the third entryway, on their way to the Gambarians'. They came back
and started beating her to finish her. If she had not come to she would have
sustained lesser bodily injuries, they would have beat her less. An older
woman from our building, Aunt Nazan, an Azerbaijani, all but lay on top of
Karina, crying and pleading that they leave her alone, but they flung her off.
The woman's grown sons were right nearby; they picked her up in their hands
and led her home. She howled and cried out loudly and swore: God is on Earth,
he sees everything, and He won't forgive this.
There was another woman, too, Aunt Fatima, a sick, aging woman from the first
floor, she's already retired. Mountain dwellers, and Azerbaijanis, too, have a
custom: If men are fighting, they throw a scarf under their feet to stop them.
But they trampled her scarf and sent her home. To trample a scarf is
tantamount to trampling a woman's honor.
Now that the investigation is going on, now that a lot is behind us and we
have gotten back to being ourselves a little, I think about how could these
events that are now called the Sumgait tragedy happen? How did they come
about? How did it start? Could it have been avoided? Well, it's clear that
without a signal, without permission from the top leadership, it would not
have happened. All the same, I'm not afraid to say this, the Azerbaijanis,
let other worthy people take no offense, the better representatives of their
nations, let them take no offense, but the Azerbaijanis in their majority are
a people who are kept in line only by fear of the law, fear of retribution for
what they have done. And when the law said that they could do all that, like
unleashed dogs who were afraid they wouldn't have time to do everything, they
threw themselves from one thing to the next so as to be able to get more done,
to snatch a bit more. The smell of the danger was already in the air on
February 27. You could tell that something was going to happen. And everyone
who had figured it out took steps to avoid running into those gangs. Many left
for their dachas, got plane tickets for the other end of the country, just got
as far away as their legs would carry them.
February 27 was a Saturday. I was teaching my third class. The director came
into my classroom and said that I should let the children out, that there had
been a call from the City Party Committee asking that all teachers gather for
a meeting at Lenin Square. Well, I excused the children, and there were few
teachers left at school, altogether three women, the director, and six or
seven men. The rest had already gone home. We got to Lenin Square and there
were a great many people there. This was around five-thirty or six in the
evening, no later. They were saying all kinds of rubbish up on the podium and
the crowd below was supporting them stormily, roaring. They spoke over the
microphone about what had happened in Kafan a few days earlier and that the
driver of a bus going to some district had recently thrown a small Azerbaijani
child off the bus. The speaker affirmed that he was an eyewitness, that he had
seen it himself..The crowd started to rage: "Death to the Armenians! They must
be killed!" Then a woman went up on stage. I didn't see the woman because
people were clinging to the podium like flies. I could only hear her. The
woman introduced herself as coming from Kafan, and said that the Armenians
cut her daughters' breasts off, and called, "Sons, avenge my daughters!" That
was enough. A portion of the people on the square took off running in the
direction of the factories, toward the beginning of Lenin Street.
We stood there about an hour. Then the director of School 25 spoke, he gave a
very nationalist speech. He said, "Brother Muslims, kill the Armenians!" This
he repeated every other sentence. When he said this the crowd supported him
stormily, whistling and shouting "Karabagh!" He said, "Karabagh has been our
territory my whole life long, Karabagh is my soul. How can you tear out my
heart?" As though an Azerbaijani would die without Karabagh. "It's our
territory, the Armenians will never see it. The Armenians must be eliminated.
From time immemorial Muslims have cleansed the land of infidel Armenians, from
time immemorial, that's the way nature created it, that every 20 to 30 years
the Azerbaijanis should cleanse the land of filth." By filth he meant
Armenians.
I heard this. Before that I hadn't been listening to the speeches closely.
Many people spoke and I stood with my back to the podium, talking shop with
the other teachers, and somehow it all went right by, it didn't penetrate,
that in fact something serious was taking place. Then, when one of our
teachers said, "Listen to what he's saying, listen to what idiocy he's
spouting," we listened. That was the speech of that director. Before that we
listened to the woman's speech.
Right then in our group--there were nine of us--the mood changed, and the
subject of conversation and all school matters were forgotten. Our director of
studies, for whom I had great respect, he's an Azerbaijani . . . Before that I
had considered him an upstanding and worthy person, if there was a need to
obtain leave we had asked him, he seemed like a good person. So he tells me,
"Lyuda, you know that besides you there are no Armenians on the square? If
they find out that you're an Armenian they'll tear you to pieces. Should I
tell them you're an Armenian? Should I tell them you're an Armenian?" When he
said it the first time I pretended not to hear it, and then he asked me a
second time. I turned to the director, Khudurova, and said that it was already
after eight, I was expected at home, and I should be leaving. She answered,
"No, they said that women should stay here until ten o'clock,.and men, until
twelve. Stay here." There was a young teacher with us, her children were in
kindergarten and her husband worked shifts. She asked to leave: "I left my
children at the kindergarten." The director excused her. When she let her go I
turned around, said, "Good-bye," and left with the young teacher, the
Azerbaijani. I didn't see them after that.
When we were walking the buses weren't running, and a crowd from the rally ran
nearby us. They had apparently gotten all fired up. It must have become too
much for them, and they wanted to seek vengeance immediately, so they rushed
off. I wasn't afraid this time because I was sure that the other teacher
wouldn't say that I was an Armenian.
To make it short, we reached home. Then Karina told of how they had been at
the movies and what had happened there. I started telling of my experience and
again my parents didn't understand that we were in danger. We watched
television as usual, and didn't even imagine that tomorrow would be our last
day. That's how it all was.
At the City Party Committee I met an acquaintance, we went to school together,
Zhanna, I don't remember her last name, she lives above the housewares store
on Narimanov Street. She was there with her father, for some reason she
doesn't have a mother. The two of them were at home alone. While her father
held the door she jumped from the third floor, and she was lucky that the
ground was wet and that there wasn't anyone behind the building when she went
out on the balcony, there was no one there, they were all standing near the
entryway. That building was also a lucky one in that there were no murders
there. She jumped. She jumped and didn't feel any pain in the heat of the
moment. A few days later I found out that she couldn't stand up, she had been
injured somehow. That's how people in Sumgait saved their lives, their honor,
and their children: any way they could.
Where it was possible, the Armenians fought back. My father's first cousin,
Armen M., lives in Block 30. They found out by phone from one of the victims
what was going on in town. The Armenians in that building all called one
another immediately and all of them armed themselves with axes, knives, even
with muskets and went up to the roof. They took their infants with them, and
their old women who had been in bed for God knows how many months, they got
them right out of their beds and took everyone upstairs. They hooked
electricity up to the trap door to the roof and waited, ready to fight. Then
they took the daughter of the school board director hostage, she's an
Azerbaijani who lived in their building. They called the school board director
and told her that if she didn't help them, the 17 Armenians on the roof, to
escape alive and unharmed, she'd never see her daughter again. I'm sure, of
course, that Armenians would never lay a hand on a woman, it was just the only
thing that could have saved them at the time. She called the police. The
Armenians made a deal with the local police to go into town. Two armored
personnel carriers and soldiers were summoned They surrounded the entryway and
led everyone down from the roof, and off to the side from the armored
personnel carriers was a crowd that was on its way to the building at that
very moment, into Block 30. That's how they defended themselves.
I heard that our neighbors, Roman and Sasha Gambarian, resisted. They're big,
strong guys. Their father was killed. And I heard that the brothers put up a
strong defense and lost their father, but were able to save their mother.
One of the neighbors told me that after it happened, when they were looking
for the criminals on March 1 to 2 and detaining everyone they suspected,
people hid people in our entryway, maybe people who were injured or perhaps
dead. The neighbors themselves were afraid to go there, and when they went
with the soldiers into our basement they are supposed to have found
Azerbaijani corpses. I don't know how many. Even if they had been wounded and
put down there, after two days they would have died from loss of blood or
infection--that basement was filled with water. I heard this from the
neighbors. And later when I was talking with the investigators the subject
came up and they confirmed it. I know, too, that for several hours the
basement was used to store objects stolen from our apartment. And our neighbor
carried out our carpet, along with the rest: he stole it for himself, posing
as one of the criminals. Everyone was taking his own share, and the neighbor
took his, too, and carried it home. And when we came back, when everything
seemed to have calmed down, he returned it, saying that it was the only thing
of ours he had managed to "save."
Raya's husband and father defended themselves. The Trdatovs defended
themselves, and so did other Armenian families. To be sure there were
Azerbaijani victims, although we'll never hear anything about them. For some
reason our government doesn't want to say that the Armenians were not just
victims, but that they defended the honor of their sisters and mothers, too.
In the TV show "Pozitsiya" [Viewpoint] a military man, an officer, said that
the Armenians did virtually nothing to defend themselves. But that's not
important, the truth will come out regardless.
So that's the price we paid those three days. For three days our courage, our
bravery, and our humanity was tested. It was those three days, and not the
years and dozens of years we had lived before them, that showed what we've
become, what we grew up to be. Those three days showed who was who.
On that I will conclude my narrative on the Sumgait tragedy. It should be said
that it's not over yet, the trials are still ahead of us, and the punishments
received by those who so violated us, who wanted to make us into nonhumans
will depend on our position and on the work of the investigators, the
Procuracy, and literally of every person who lent his hand to the investiga-
tion. That's the price we paid to live in Armenia, to not fear going out on
the street at night, to not be afraid to say we're Armenians, and to not fear
speaking our native tongue.
October 15,1988
Yerevan
- - - reference for #008 - - -
[1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan,
Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian, forward by
Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, pages 118-145
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4,803 |
That's a very weak argument--due the lack (with regard to critical
events) of independent supporting texts.
As for the dating of the oldest extant texts of the NT.... How would
you feel about the US Civil War in a couple of thousand years if the
only extant text was written about *now*? Now adjust for a largely
illiterate population, and one in which every copy of a manuscript is
done by hand....
--Hal
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6,709 |
What's the latest version of Stepping Out that works ok with S7.1? | 14 | trimmed_train |
5,496 | in maryland, they were $25 each when i learned to ride 3 years ago. now,
it's $125 (!) for the beginner riders' course and $60 for the experienced
riders' course (which, admittedly, takes only about half the time ). | 12 | trimmed_train |
3,734 |
George.
It's called a democracy. The majority rules. sorry.
If ytou don't like it, I suggest you modify the constitution to include
a constitutional right to Dark Skies. The theory of government
here is that the majority rules, except in the nature of fundamental
civil rights. If you really are annoyed, get some legislation
to create a dark sky zone, where in all light emissions are protected
in the zone. Kind of like the national radio quiet zone. Did you
know about that? near teh Radio telescope observatory in West virginia,
they have a 90?????? mile EMCON zone. Theoretically they can prevent
you from running light AC motors, like air conditioners and Vacuums.
In practice, they use it mostly to control large radio users. | 10 | trimmed_train |
5,280 | 14 | trimmed_train |
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7,765 | How can get a pixel value from a Drawable, without having to copy it to the client
as an XImage and use XGetPixel ?? - I want to select pixels from an animating
window on the server, without having to copy the whole lot back to my client.
(X11R5).
Any pointers appreciated,
Gordon.
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2,518 |
Not the first. RFK, olim DC Stadium, was built 2 years earlier.
Nowadays they don't move the seats back for the few exhibition
games; but the 3rd-base/LF lower deck used to move. It was all
metal, which was pretty noisy on Bat Day.
It's vastly better than it was before they fixed it, though. Back in
the late 70's it was a *dump*. | 2 | trimmed_train |
8,508 | SOmebody mentioned a re-boost of HST during this mission, meaning
that Weight is a very tight margin on this mission.
How will said re-boost be done?
Grapple, HST, stow it in Cargo bay, do OMS burn to high altitude,
unstow HST, repair gyros, costar install, fix solar arrays,
then return to earth?
My guess is why bother with usingthe shuttle to reboost?
why not grapple, do all said fixes, bolt a small liquid fueled
thruster module to HST, then let it make the re-boost. it has to be
cheaper on mass then usingthe shuttle as a tug. that way, now that
they are going to need at least 5 spacewalks, then they can carry
an EDO pallet, and sit on station and even maybe do the solar array
tilt motor fix. | 10 | trimmed_train |
11,157 | # So the Blue PRess suggests that we bankrupt HCI by requesting information
# and the concern by list members is that HCI will claim everyone that calls
# as a new member. I think they will. I also think they will claim a new
# MANDATE to ban all firearms from the solar system wheter we call and ask for
# information or not!
#
# On the other hand, with due respect to the Editor of the Blue PRess, just
# becaue Mike makes damned good presses, dies, powder scales, and got tired of
# Lee's atacks DOES NOT MEAN THAT EVERY DILLON FAN FOLLOWS WHAT MIKE CALLS FOR
# LIKE HE WAS KARESH AND WE WERE TRANSDILLIDIANS!
#
# Our local State Assemblyman has called for a complete ban on all non-bolt
# action military rifles and all assault weapons, a 7 day wait for purchase
# permits { it currently takes 10 to 14 working days here in NC } and one
# permit/year. The flood of calls he got was 7 for and 3 against. Guess who
# called supporting his move? Guess what ILA is doing? Right?
#
# CHL
#
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10,103 | I have noticed in FrameMaker 3.1X on both the SGI and SUN platforms
that certain dialogs, such as "Column Layout..." for example, respond
to keyboard traversal even though the pointer is NOT in the dialog
window and even though the window manager keyboard focus policy is
POINTER.
How is this done?
I would like to emulate this behavior in my application. It seems a
reasonable behavior since when a dialog is popped up from a keyboard
action, the dialog is not guaranteed to be under the pointer and the
user should not have to reach for the mouse just to move the focus.
Alternatively, I'm open to any suggestions as to what is the "right"
way to insure that popups get the focus when they appear, particularly
when they are invoked from the keyboard and one's keyboard focus
policy is pointer. | 16 | trimmed_train |
1,425 |
Apple just released the Quicktime volume of the new Inside Macintosh series.
Any bookstore with reasonable technical stock should have it. | 1 | trimmed_train |
6,593 |
That sounds like an awfully closed minded, intolerant attitude.
1/2 :')
I'm not a redneck but . . . try a walk in their shoes first. Stereotypes
are usually of very limited value. I've seen as many ignorant
self-righteous "open minded" new age lovers of the great planet Earth
as I have ignorant "red necks". I don't see a correlation. I don't
believe that the "redneck" culture, if you can call it that, is
necessarily inferior or superior to any other.
I gotta have a beer, I'm making too much sense. Next thing you know,
I'll be preaching tolerance . . .. and I'm a conservative.
Jack Waters II
DoD#1919 | 12 | trimmed_train |
4,097 |
The Davidians are a 60-year-old splinter from the Seventh Day Adventists,
if that's the information you were looking for.
-- | 9 | trimmed_train |
5,067 |
Since your MOSFET is a 1972 vintage, it's probably not a very good one by
today's standards. If you have an idea about its voltage and current
ratings, e.g. 60VDC @ 6A, you can probably get away with replacing it with
anything with better specs. Early MOSFETS had a gate-source voltage rating
of approximately +/- 20 VDCmax, and they would usually turn completely "ON"
at +10VDC. Otherwise, MOSFETS are not really mysterious -- they're more or
less voltage controlled current sources. If the MOSFET in your circuit is
used as an open-loop, voltage controlled current source, you may have to
experiment with various gain-altering techniques. | 11 | trimmed_train |
1,184 | ^^^^^
I'm curious why you think that particular adjective is important. | 13 | trimmed_train |
6,916 | Excerpts from netnews.talk.politics.guns: 18-Apr-93 2ND AMENDMENT DEAD -
GOOD ! by [email protected]
excerpted from a letter I wrote a while ago:
Although less apparent to those who have not researched
the facts, personal protection is as legitimate a reason as
sport for the private citizen to own a gun. The most recent
research is that of Dr. Gary Kleck of the Florida State
University School of Criminology.1 He found that handguns
are more often used by victims to defeat crime than by
criminals to commit it (645,000 vs. 580,000 respectively in
this study). These figures are even more encouraging when
you consider the number of crimes that never occur because
of the presence of a gun in the hands of a law-abiding
private citizen. In a National Institute of Justice study
of ten state prisons across the country they found that 39%
of the felons surveyed had aborted at least one crime
because they believed that the intended victim was armed.,
and 57% agreed that "most criminals are more worried about
meeting an armed victim than they are about running into the
police."2
One of the most heinous of crimes is that against the
women of this country. It has been my recent observation
that more women are purchasing handguns for defense in
response to the present danger of these assaults. This
should be taken as encouraging news if the events of Orlando
Florida are any indicator. In the late 1960's the female
populace was plagued with a series of brutal assaults; just
the publicity of the record number of women buying guns and
obtaining training resulted in an 88% decrease in rape for
that area, the only city of its size in the country to
experience a decrease of crime for that year. Additionally,
a 1979 US Justice Department study of 32,000 attempted rapes
showed that overall, when rape is attempted, the completion
rate is 36%. But when a woman defends herself with a gun,
the completion rate drops to 3%.
1 G Kleck, Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America Aldine
de Gruyter, NY, 1991
2 JD Wright & PH Rossi Armed and Considered Dangerous: A
Survey of Felons and Their Firearms, Aldine de Gruyter, NY,
1986
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[unlike cats] dogs NEVER scratch you when you wash them. They just
become very sad and try to figure out what they did wrong. -Dave Barry | 9 | trimmed_train |
9,279 | That is correct. in DOS you can use IRQ 7 for your SB.You can't do
that under OS/2 because it uses IRQ 7 for the printer
| 3 | trimmed_train |
4,721 | Has anyone written a device driver to use the Ascension bird with XWindows ?
__
(_ / / o_ o o |_
__)/(_( __) (_(_ /_)| )_
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2,081 | I have several people sharing my machine and would like to set up separate
environments under Windows for each of them. Is there some way of setting
things up separate desktops/directories for each of them? Ideally,
I'd like totally separate virtual machines. I'd be willing to settle for
less, and may end up having batch files that copy .ini files around
depending on who wants to use the machine. | 18 | trimmed_train |
1,906 |
Why does the Center For Policy Research pose such unbelievably
stupid and loaded questions to this newsgroup. What are you? - a
think tank, or a fish tank? Every time I start to believe I have
seen the outer boundaries of your stupidity, you come up with one
step beyond. When will it end, man? Can you actually have brain
enough to dress and feed yourself each morning?
| 6 | trimmed_train |
9,404 | FOR SALE:
Northwest Airline Fly-Write ticket for travel within the 48 states
and Canada from anywhere in the country.
2 One Way - $200 (each)
1 Round Trip - $350
This ticket has no restrictions, and is fully transferable. However,
travel has to be completed buy June 4. | 5 | trimmed_train |
11,145 | Hi I need a one way flight ticket from Des Moines to Chicago
on the 28th of May 1993.
please send your replies to [email protected] or to this account
as soon as possible
thank you
| 5 | trimmed_train |
6,805 | Check out Xicor's new goodie in the April 12th edition of EETimes
X88C64 - an 8k * 8 E2PROM with built in latch AND bootloader setup.
You hook it directly to your '51, power it up, the prom initialises the
serial port on the '51, you load in your code via RXD, this gets blatted
onto the E2PROM, then you reset and run - i'm sure Dallas also does
something like this too, i suppose it would boil down to relative
prices, and the Dallas part freeing up P0 & P2 completely. I wonder
if ANYONE has ever managed to design a single sided PCB with an
8051, 573, EPROM, SRAM and >>NO LINKS<< ?
cheers
Mike.
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10,922 |
[...]
[...]
Quite interesting. How does the US administration intend to persuade
non - US governments to let the NSA eavesdrop on them? Or should U.S.
companies install these chips in communication systems sold abroad
without the customer's knowedge or consent, or not at all? | 7 | trimmed_train |
4,297 |
Ah and how...??? Amen to that one!!!!!! Thanks Chuck for sharing...
after all, no one can serve two masters...God and money......
after all, the preciousness of God as Lord and Savior is far more valuable than
being a millionaire will ever be...
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3,732 |
Which provided the basis for the denoument of the film which
introduced Errol Flynn to the world. (Love interest was Olivia de
Havilland, who went on to appear with Flynn in 7 more films.)
[Exercise for non-old-movie buffs: what film was this?]
[Exercise for old movie buffs: what were the 7 more films?] | 13 | trimmed_train |
5,875 |
Is this the same Monolithic, Centrally Controlled Media that you're always
talking about? Do you mean to tell me that the LA Times is the ONLY major
paper to buck the Media Spiking Division's activities?
Assumption: When one major newspaper prints three or more articles on the front
page regarding subject matter that is not strictly local, this is likely
to be considered an open story, and not a coverup.
Let's hear a roll call here. Anyone outside of the LA area seen articles on
this?
___Samuel___
Mossad Special Agent ID314159
Media Spiking & Mind Control Division
Los Angeles Offices (therefore, evidently, incompetent) | 6 | trimmed_train |
4,545 | I'm posting this for a friend:
I have an immediate need for a polygon-based hidden-line removal
program. I can deal with any input/output format, but I need to be able
to do perspective views in any orientation and range.
Is there a public-domain hidden-line program around? It seems like
there should be, but I have not been able to locate one. | 1 | trimmed_train |
3,539 |
Well Josh I agree with you to some respect...less your spelling
errors. The Gov'mnt always must win! even if they kill every
man women and child....by GOD they must win at all costs......
This happens over and over and over in this country. Lets make
excuses, get the worthless press to cover up everything, let the
officials take the heat for top management stupidity etc...etc...
> | 9 | trimmed_train |
4,794 | Has anyone had any experience with a replacement comm driver for windows
called TurboComm. I read about it in PCMag Apr 23 1993 and am interested
but not willing to shell out the 45 bucks the company wants just to try it
out. It supposedly eleminates the problems that occur during a high speed
file transfer and a disk access made by another program running at the same
time. If anyone has any pro/cons about this product, i would be very inter
ested to hear them. Please Email at the address give below. THANKS. | 18 | trimmed_train |
1,652 | Interestingly enough, the CDROM 300i that came with my Quadra 800 has
only 8 disks:
1. System Install
2. Kodak Photo CD sampler
3. Alice to Ocean
4. CDROM Titles
5. Application Demos
6. Mozart: Dissonant Quartet
7. Nautilus
8. Apple Chronicles
Has anyone else noticed that they got less than everyone seems to be
getting with the external? What I really feel I missed out on is what
is supposed to a fantastic Games demo disk.
I have heard that people have gotten up to 9-10 disks with their drive.
I assume they get the 8 titles above plus Cinderella and the Games Demo CDROM.
any comments and experiences? Should I call Apple to complain? =)
Derek
| 14 | trimmed_train |
8,223 | On a related note, will the 1304 work on a Centris 650 with internal video
and give the multiple resolutions?
This I'm VERY curious about...
Thanks!
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768 |
The oclock widget was written using the SHAPE extension.
You can do the same in your widgets. Few current widgets
support SHAPE, so you'll have to subclass them to add that
functionality.
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4,246 |
I would be concerned about how the car was driven and how well it was
maintained. I own a turbocharged one, and I would never buy a
turbocharged vehicle unless I knew the owner and his/her
driving/maintenance habits.
I have been wondering about that myself. The '90 AWD models and the
'91s were identical (except for the ABS option).
Yes. Some owners had problems with the transaxles. Using
synthetic lubricants in the transaxles solved the problem in most
cases. The problem was not unique to the AWDs, however. It was
common to all models. The Galant VR4 and GSX had the same transaxle,
but I didn't see those listed in CR.
I don't know of any major complaints in this area, except that the
battery that was installed at the factory had a low current rating.
The first FWD models (those built before May 1989) were recalled for
brake upgrades. Some FWD and AWD owners had problems with warped
rotors. Those of us who insist on using manual torque wrenches every
time the lug nuts are tightened have never had a problem.
I can refer you to someone who has gone through a set of pads in one
day! It all depends on how you drive. It seems that most owners have
been getting between 40-70k on a set of pads.
First time I hear about a problem with the valve train on these cars,
other than timing belt failures.
If your friend "beats" on the car, then his unit is not a
representative sample of the car's reliability.
My suggestion is instead of listening to the useless Consumer Reports,
talk to several owners (the mailing list may be the best way to reach
a few of them).
#if (humor_impaired) skip_to TheEnd
No matter how much you pay, you won't get all three. Examples:
NSX: reliability and looks.
Ferrari: reliability ^H^H^H^H^H^H (yeah, right!) speed and looks
TheEnd
--
The opinions stated above are not necessarily my employer's. | 4 | trimmed_train |
6,215 | Hi All!
I tried to run SoftPC, a PC emulation software program, installed on a Silicon
Graphics workstation from a Human Design System (HDS) X terminal, and
everything went fine, except the fonts could NOT be converted from one type
of format to the other - HDS uses different font format from SGI worksation.
So, I have the following questions:
1. How do you resolve different font formats from different machines?
2. Is there a program to convert one type of font format to another?
If you have similar problems/experiences and have found a solution, please
let me know. Your help will be greatly appreciated!
Thank you in advance for your help and information.
Tom Nguen | 16 | trimmed_train |
4,410 |
What conclusion can be drawn from this? I'm trying to figure out what kind
of memory configuration for the LC III (32-bit datapath) would be fastest. Any
ideas?
Thanks,
Jason MacDonald | 14 | trimmed_train |
1,669 |
Good point. I have no idea how either of my Hondas will handle at 100+ mph,
nor do they reach 155. However, using `high' to be 70-90 mph:
a) They are quite amenable to long high speed drives. I've done several
1k mile+ trips in my Civic with no problems whatsoever. The last big trip
I made was driving from New York to Texas. I remember driving 700-800
miles a day at typically 75-85 mph without any problems. I'm sure I
would have been more comfortable driving a benz, but no white knuckles.
No problems with winds and curves.
Then there was the trip back from New Orleans after Mardi Gras - where
we were doing 80+ all the way to Houston. No problems.
b) Both my cars have surprising good fuel economy at high speeds. I see
no difference between sustained 60 mph and sustained 80mph. On the trip
back from New Orleans, we got about 30 mpg in my Integra, quite ok. Mind
you, the engine revs to almost 4k at 80. The civic is markedly better
than the Integra in fuel economy. 50k miles down the road, I still
get 35 mpg at 70-75 mph driving.
Now now, you can't compare a diesel with a gasoline engine. I see enough
bmws and gasoline mercs for sale that have 100-150k miles on them and advertise
rebuilt engines. If honda was to build an accord for 30k, I'd darn well
expect the sucker to last 300k miles.
Ever got caught behind a early 80's 300SDL at a stop light? It's not
pleasant. The newer MB's are a lot better though. The diesel Volvos
and VWs are probably the smelliest offenders.
As for economy, why should we care? Gas is cheap! I personally wouldn't
buy a diesel car for any reason - what does it buy me?
Shantanu Ganguly
Somerset (Motorola) | 4 | trimmed_train |
1,610 | If your buying a compact pickup do yourself a favor and wait a few months
for the 1994 GMC sonoma. Magazines are saying it is day and night over the
current truck. It's georgeous, solid, and fast (200hp Vortec 4.3 V-6).
Should whip the Ranger in every area too (accept maybe payload). And always
pick a GMC over a Chevy. GMC's are always so much better looking. Man, I
miss the Comanche.
Marty and Matt Owings
'87 250 ninja type rider dudes
"It's a feeling that we all wanna know
and it's an obsession to some
to keep the world in you rearview mirror
while you try to run down the sun" | 4 | trimmed_train |
5,907 |
The balls are used to reduce the amplitude of oscillations of the wire during
periods of high winds. I've seen what looks like paint cans filled with
concrete used for the same purpose.
Mike Behnke | Senior Tech/Advisor | Quid est illuidin aqua??
Fermi Nat Accel Lab | Equipment Suuport |
Batavia, Il. | Computing Div | PISTRIX!! PISTRIX!!
[email protected] | |
My opinions are my own, not of the lab. So, if you don't like them, call | 11 | trimmed_train |
6,018 | I would like the opinion of netters on a subject that has been bothering my
wife and me lately: liturgy, in particular, Catholic liturgy. In the last few
years it seems that there are more and more ad hoc events during Mass. It's
driving me crazy! The most grace-filled aspect of a liturgical tradition is
that what happens is something we _all_ do together, because we all know how to
do it. Led by the priest, of course, which makes it a kind of dialogue we
present to God. But the best Masses I've been to were participatory prayers.
Lately, I think the proportion of participation has fallen, and the proportion
of sitting there and watching, or listening, or generally being told what to do
(which is necessary because no one knows what's happening next) is growing.
Example. Last Sunday (Palm Sunday) we went to the local church. Usually
on Palm Sunday, the congregation participates in reading the Passion, taking
the role of the mob. The theology behind this seems profound--when we say
"Crucify him" we mean it. We did it, and if He came back today we'd do it
again. It always gives me chills. But last week we were "invited" to sit
during the Gospel (=Passion) and _listen_. Besides the Orwellian "invitation",
I was really saddened to have my (and our) little role taken away. This seems
typical of a shift of participation away from the people, and toward the
musicians, readers, and so on. New things are introduced in the course of the
liturgy and since no one knows what's happening, the new things have to be
explained, and pretty soon instead of _doing_ a lot of the Mass we're just
sitting there listening (or spacing out, in my case) to how the Mass is about
to be done. In my mind, I lay the blame on liturgy committees made up of lay
"experts", but that may not be just. I do think that a liturgy committee has a
bias toward doing something rather than nothing--that's just a fact of
bureaucratic life--even though a simpler liturgy may in fact make it easier for
people to be aware of the Lord's presence.
So we've been wondering--are we the oddballs, or is the quality of the Mass
going down? I don't mean that facetiously. We go to Mass every Thursday or
Friday and are reminded of the power of a very simple liturgy to make us aware
of God's presence. But as far as the obligatory Sunday Masses...maybe I should
just offer it up :) Has anyone else noticed declining congregational
participation in Catholic Masses lately? | 0 | trimmed_train |
4,026 |
If your Gateway is equipped with a Western hard drive, then the noise
is probably coming from there and not from the fan. The Western drives
are notoriously noisy. On the other hand, if you don't have a Western
drive, then maybe it is the fan. There's not alot to do about it except
insulate around the cpu somehow. | 3 | trimmed_train |
10,705 | this week's autoweek talks about how wagons are getting back in vogue.
i wouldn't mind an audi s4 wagon (great stealth value) but you'll
never catch me dead in a minivan!
| 4 | trimmed_train |
500 |
I got one from Microsoft tech support.
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731 | Note: These trial updates are summarized from reports in the
_Idaho Statesman_ and the local NBC affiliate television
station, KTVB Channel 7.
Randy Weaver/Kevin Harris trial update: Day 5.
Monday, April 19, 1993 was the fifth day of the trial.
Synopsis: Government informant Kenneth Fadeley testified that
Randy Weaver sold him two shotguns in violation of the National
Firearms Act of 1934. U.S. District Court Judge Edward Lodge
asks jurors not to hear accounts of the Waco fire because
of possible influences on the Weaver/Harris case.
The testimony of FBI Special Agent Greg Rampton apparently
ended without further incident, as it was mentioned neither
by KTVB nor the _Idaho Statesman_.
The day was highlighted by the testimony of Kenneth Fadeley,
who had been posing as an outlaw biker and illegal guns person
named Gus Magiosono. Fadeley testified that he was acting as
an informant for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms
in his dealings with Randy Weaver.
Fadeley began by stating that he had met Weaver in 1987 at an
Aryan Nations summer conference in Hayden Lake, Idaho. The two
then met again October 11, 1989 (note the huge separation in
time) at a restaurant in Sandpoint, Idaho, to begin a weapons
transaction. He stated that Weaver had said, "He felt like he
(Weaver) was being prepared to do something dangerous for the
White cause."
The two later met October 24, 1989 behind the restaurant and
later went to a city park to make the sale. During this second
meeting, Fadeley was wearing a small recording device to
tape the conversation. Weaver allegedly showed him an H&R 12-
gauge shotgun with a 13-inch barrel and an overall length of
19.25 inches. He additionally showed a Remington 12-gauge
shotgun with a 12.75-inch barrel and an overall length of
24.5 inches (NFA requires minimums of 18 inches for barrel
length and an overall length of 26 inches). On tape, Weaver
is reported to have said that he could perform better work once
his machine shop is set up. The two then discuss the possibility
of future sales. Fadeley then counts out three hundred dollars
for the two guns and promises the balance of one-hundred fifty
dollars when they next meet. (Note that the ATF could have
simply arrested him here. Why did they wait until January 1991 -
over a year later - to arrest him? This is not explained).
The next meeting took place on Nov 30, 1989. Fadeley stated that
his "source" had only come up with one hundred dollars instead
of the one-hundred fifty he'd promised. At this point, Weaver
suspected he was dealing with an informant, "I had a guy in
Spokane tell me you were bad." Fadeley managed to convince
Weaver otherwise.
The _Idaho Statesman_ states explicitly that three tapes were
made of conversations with Randy Weaver. Thus, each of these
meetings must have been recorded. However, the _Statesman_ also
reported that a tape of a telephone conversation involving Vicki
Weaver (Randy Weaver's wife) was played to the court. There must
have also been phone taps.
These tapes were played to the court via both headphones and
loudspeakers under the objections of Gerry Spence, Weaver's
attorney. Spence said to a KTVB reporter that he wanted to
make sure that the government proved its case, "...if it has a
case at all..." according to the rules.
Randy Weaver tore off his headphones and wept when he heard his
wife's voice on the tape.
U.S. District Court Judge Edward Lodge asked jurors not to hear
accounts of the Waco fire because of possible influences on the
Weaver/Harris case. Exactly how such information could affect
this trial is not explained.
Other notes: Sunday evening there was a report on KTVB concerning
Kevin Harris. Unnamed agents within the FBI admit that they are
surprised that Kevin Harris is still alive. First, they were
surprised that he survived the initial gunshot wound(s) sustained
in the initial firefight at the Y-junction. Later, when Randy
Weaver was struck by sniper fire the sniper had reported that
Harris had been struck (not Weaver). Finally, there was a report
that the FBI agent who killed Vicki Weaver believed he was aiming
at Kevin Harris instead. (This is what was reported). Critics
are charging that the FBI was blatantly trying to eliminate the
only non-government witness to the deaths of Samuel Weaver and
Deputy Marshal William Degan. Some local people believe that
Harris's survival is simply due to divine intervention. | 9 | trimmed_train |
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new- $160, now- $100 + shipping OBO.
Curtis Mathes VHS VCR Remote included and it works with universal remotes.
Works great but I replaced it with a Stereo VCR.
paid $300 years ago, will sell for $125 delivered OBO.
Radio Shack stereo amp. 2 inputs, tone, and left and right volume. Speakers
not included. $20 plus shipping.
If you are interested in either of the above mail me at
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The yearly chest x-ray provides a minute amount of radiation. It is
a drop in the bucket as far as increased risk is concerned. Who can
tell you whether you can get out of it or not? No one here controls
that. It may well be a matter of the law, in which case, write your
legislator, but don't hold your breath.
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Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
[email protected] | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." | 19 | trimmed_train |
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Philip,
I think your ideas are well taken and constructive. Thanks for
articulating them in this forum.
As a flaming libertarian paranoid extremist (:-), I'at a loss for
specific objections that don't sound frighteningly technical. Any
suggestions? Perhaps somebody could post a list of these?
One way to do this might be to suggest that these companies should be
implementing their own schemes, not being limited to the govt's
scheme.
I find that most of my reasons for opposition to the CLipper scheme
are algoritm insecurity and mistrust of the govt/NSA. These are hard
to sell in letters to the editor and to nontechnical people. Any
hints or advice. Maybe a small FAQ-type thing "Why should I Hate
Clipper" would be a good idea. | 7 | trimmed_train |
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