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I'm wondering if anybody else out there is a clutchless shifter? I've been doing it my self over 200,000 miles, on my current toyota truck I've got over 150k. I've heard people talk about how doing this can damage a transmission. My experiences suggest otherwise. What techniques do you use? On some old pieces of junk I drove, the transmission was so worn that pumping the clutch was the only way to shift, except clutchless. To date I've driven rabbits, datsuns, comets, fords & a chevy. Some where harder than others to shift but generally the higher the milage the smoother quicker & easier they where to shift. My technique is to ease back off the throttle and at the same time gently wrist back on the shift lever. If for some reason I miss the shift window, I lightly press the accelerator & try agian. I've found that clutchless shifting is eaiser/quicker at high rpms (4000-7000). I also skip gears some times using 1-3-5 ,1-2-4-5.

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Why don't you just run one LED at 60 KHz and use a flip flop at the receiving end to divide by 2 and give you a good square 30KHz signal. Just a thought. LORI

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What ever happened to the 'Adobe Fortress' I kept hearing about? I thought this was a 'Cult Stronghold'! If the kgbatf knew it was a tinderbox, why didn't they just have all the talking heads line up and start huffin' and puffin?

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You know, you're absolutely right. I think we should round up all those players of European descent and ship 'em back to where they came from. Let's see, with whom should we start? I dunno, Lemieux? Hmmm...sounds like he has *French* blood in him!!! Hey! France is part of Europe! Send that Euro-blooded boy back!!! Sheesh. I don't think it would be hard to find some Native Americans (or Native Canadians, for that matter) who would dispute your claim to this great continent of *ours.* Ya see, if you believe the anthropologists, we're *all* immigrants of some sort. If you really don't think that Mogilny, Bure, Selanne, et al have improved the NHL, then I'm not sure you understand the game.

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The event that had the most impact on Gaetti's career was his leg injury in 1988. His performance dropped radically from 1988 to 1989. He was still with the Twins in 1989 and 1990, but if you look at his stats (both offensive and defensive), he never has come back to his pre-injury level.

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You might -- except that gay men are MUCH more promiscuous than straight men -- which shows how damaged and screwed up gay men are.

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Keith, I had a problem getting 256 colors (I was stuck with 16) even though the flex-stuff said I was at 1024-256. I solved it by entering the 'advanced' window on the flex program pannel and changing the 'color palette'. Sorry for the vaugeness, I hope it helps some. BTW, I have a GW2000-66V and 1M ATI GUP.

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I also had a simular problem with by NEC P7, it went away when I turned on the "print directly to parallel port" option in the printer setup apallette. -- Mencsh tract und Gott lacht

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Apple dealerships once had kits to replace the soldered in batteries with a battery holder.

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From: MX%"[email protected]" 6-APR-1993 06:48:34.96 To: SRGXNBS CC: Subj: Re: I^2C bus and long haul serial (also Axlo Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from Sun.COM by GRV.GRACE.CRI.NZ (MX V3.1C) with SMTP; Tue, 06 Apr 1993 06:48:29 +1300 Received: from Corp.Sun.COM (lemay.Corp.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24280; Mon, 5 Apr 93 11:48:08 PDT Received: from grendal.Corp.Sun.COM by Corp.Sun.COM (4.1/elliemay (corpmail1 inbound)) id AA25933; Mon, 5 Apr 93 11:48:07 PDT Received: by grendal.Corp.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05710; Mon, 5 Apr 93 11:47:28 PDT Date: Mon, 5 Apr 93 11:47:28 PDT From: [email protected] (Andrew MacRae) Message-ID: <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: I^2C bus and long haul serial (also Axlo CC: [email protected] content-length: 693 Bruce, For the latest information on Access.Bus call the Access.Bus Industry Group at (408) 991-3517. Also, Sun will be hosting the next meeting of the group on April 19th, here in Mountain View. For some reason I am not able to post to any newsgroups today, so please feel free to pass this information on yourself as you see fit.

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I have a new doctor who gave me a prescription today for something called Septra DS. He said it may cause GI problems and I have a sensitive stomach to begin with. Anybody ever taken this antibiotic. Any good? Suggestions for avoiding an upset stomach? Other tips?

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I have a lot of info about this disease. I am posting a small amount of it that I extracted. If more is required, e-mail me @ [email protected]. Please, it takes me some time to upload it, so be advised, only request it if you *really* want it. here is some info from InfoTrac - Health Reference Center Also, check you local of univeristy library. They most likely have the InfoTrac cd-rom this info was taken from...... ==================================== InfoTrac - Health Reference Center ~ Oct '89 - Oct '92 Heading: CANDIDA ALBICANS !Dictionary Definition 1. Mosby's Medical and Nursing Dictionary, 2nd edition COPYRIGHT 1986 The C.V. Mosby Company Candida albicans ------------------------------------------------------- A common, budding, yeastlike, microscopic fungal organism normally present in the mucous membranes of the mouth, intestinal tract, and vagina and on the skin of healthy people. Under certain circumstances, it may cause superficial infections of the mouth or vagina and, less commonly, serious invasive systemic infection and toxic reaction. See also candidiasis. ============================== InfoTrac - Health Reference Center ~ Oct '89 - Oct '92 THE MATERIAL CONTAINED IN Health Reference Center ~ Oct '89 - Oct '92 IS PROVIDED ONLY FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES AND SHOULD NOT BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL ADVICE OR INSTRUCTION. CONSULT YOUR HEALTH PROFESSIONAL FOR ADVICE RELATING TO A MEDICAL PROBLEM OR CONDITION. Heading: CANDIDA ALBICANS 1. Yogurt cure for Candida. (acidophilus) il v22 East West Natural Health July-August '92 p17(1) TEXT AVAILABLE TEXT COPYRIGHT East West Partners 1992 Another folk remedy receives the blessing of medical study. Researchers have found that eating a cup of yogurt a day drastically reduces a woman's chances of getting vaginal candida, a yeast infection. For the year-long study, researchers at Long Island Jewish Medical Center in New Hyde Park, New York, recruited 13 women who suffered from chronic yeast infections. For the first 6 months, the women each day ate 8 ounces of yogurt containing Lactobacillus acidophilus. For the second 6 months, the women did not eat yogurt. The researchers examined the women each month and found that incidents of colonization and infection were significantly lower during the period when the women ate yogurt. The fungus Candida albicans can live in the body without doing harm. It is an overproliferation of the fungus that leads to infection. The researchers concluded that the L. acidophilus bacteria found in some brands of yogurt retard overgrowth of the fungus. Streptococcus thermophilus and L. bulgaricus are the two bacteria most commonly used in commercial yogurt production. Neither one appears to exert a protective effect against Candida albicans, however. Women who want to try yogurt as a preventive measure should choose a brand that lists acidophilus in its contents. --- end --- =================================== InfoTrac - Health Reference Center ~ Oct '89 - Oct '92 THE MATERIAL CONTAINED IN Health Reference Center ~ Oct '89 - Oct '92 IS PROVIDED ONLY FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES AND SHOULD NOT BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL ADVICE OR INSTRUCTION. CONSULT YOUR HEALTH PROFESSIONAL FOR ADVICE RELATING TO A MEDICAL PROBLEM OR CONDITION. Heading: CANDIDA ALBICANS 1. Candida (Monilia). (Infections Caused by Fungi) (Infectious Diseases) by Harold C. Neu The Columbia Univ. Coll. of Physicians & Surgeons Complete Home Medical Guide Edition 2 '89 p472(1) TEXT AVAILABLE TEXT COPYRIGHT Crown Publishers Inc. 1989 Candida (Monilia) This disease is usually caused by Candida albicans, a fungus that we all carry at one time or another. In some circumstances, though, the organisms proliferate, producing symptomatic infection of the mouth, intestines, vagina, or skin. When the mouth or vagina are infected, the disease is commonly called thrush. Vaginitis caused by Candida often afflicts women on birth control pills or antibiotics. There is itching and a white, cheesy discharge. Among narcotic addicts, Candida infections can lead to heart valve inflammation. Diagnosis of Candida infections is confirmed by cultures and blood tests. Treatment can be with amphotericin B or orally with ketoconazole. There is no evidence that Candida in the intestine of normal individuals leads to disease. All people at one time or another have Candida in their intestines. Claims for any benefit from special diets or chronic antifungal agents is not based on any solid evidence. --- end --- ========================== I hope this is informative. Larry ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Live From New York, It's SATURDAY NIGHT...

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Don't believe the hype. There is no such thing as a PowerPC slot.

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What do photo radar units look like? Also, what major U.S. cities use it?

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I am puzzled by the term "concept." Drag free may already have been flown. It was the idea behind putting up a spacecraft that would more accurately respond to motions from the Earth's gravity field and ignore drag. It was proposed many years ago and involved a ball floating between sensors whose job it was to signal to little adjustment jets to keep the ball away from them. The ball itself would then be in a drag free condition and respond only to gravity anisotropies, whereas the spacecraft itself would be continuously adjusting its position to compensate for drag.

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Okay... I argued this thoroughly about 3-4 weeks ago. Men and women are different ... physically, physiologically, and psychologically. Much recent evidence for this statement is present in the book "Brainsex" by Anne Moir and David Jessel. I recommend you find a copy and read it. Their book is an overview of recent scientific research on this topic and is well referenced. Now, if women and men are different in some ways, the law can only adequately take into account their needs in these areas where they are different by also taking into account the ways in which men and women are different. Maternity leave is an example of this -- it takes into account that women get pregnant. It does not give women the same rules it would give to men, because to treat women like it treats men in this instance would be unjust. This is just simply an obvious example of where men and women are intrinsically different!!!!! Now, people make the _naive_ argument that sexism = oppression. However, maternity leave is sexist because MEN DO NOT GET PREGNANT. Men do not have the same access to leave that women do (not to the same extent or degree), and therefore IT IS SEXIST. No matter however much a man _wants_ to get pregnant and have maternity leave, HE NEVER CAN. And therefore the law IS SEXIST. No man can have access to maternity leave, NO MATTER HOW HARD HE TRIES TO GET PREGNANT. I hope this is clear. Maternity leave is an example where a sexist law is just, because the sexism here just reflects the "sexism" of nature in making men and women different. There are many other differences between men and women which are far more subtle than pregnancy, and to find out more of these I recommend you have a look at the book "Brainsex". Your point that perhaps some day men can also be pregnant is fallacious. If men can one day become pregnant it will be by having biologically become women! To have a womb and the other factors required for pregnancy is usually wrapped up in the definition of what a woman is -- so your argument, when it is examined, is seen to be fallacious. You are saying that men can have the sexist maternity leave privilege that women can have if they also become women -- which actually just supports my statement that maternity leave is sexist. There is no official priesthood in Islam -- much of this function is taken by Islamic scholars. There are female Islamic scholars and female Islamic scholars have always existed in Islam. An example from early Islamic history is the Prophet's widow, Aisha, who was recognized in her time and is recognized in our time as an Islamic scholar. You have no evidence for your blanket statement about all religions, and I dispute it. I could go on and on about women in Islam, etc., but I recently reposted something here under the heading "Islam and Women" -- if it is still at your news-site I suggest you read it. It is reposted from soc.religion.islam, so if it has disappeared from alt.atheism it still might be in soc.religion.islam (I forgot what its original title was though). I will email it to you if you like. Your statement that "other religions are no different" is, I think, a statement based simply on lack of knowledge about religions other than Christianity and perhaps Judaism. Aisha, who I mentioned earlier, was not only an Islamic scholar but also was, at one stage, a military leader. The Prophet's first wife, who died just before the "Hijra" (the Prophet's journey from Mecca to Medina) was a successful businesswoman. Lucio, you cannot make a strong case for your viewpoint when your viewpoint is based on ignorance about world religions.

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yo,yo,yo . the western digital hd will hve it marked either s,m,a put jumper on the s "its printed on the circuitry underkneth it. hope i helped i had the same problem. bye.. later daze. [email protected]

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Our group recently bought a Mitsubishi P78U video printer and I could use some help with it. We bought this thing because it (1) has a parallel data input in addition to the usual video signal inputs and (2) claimed to print 256 gray level images. However, the manual that came with it only describes how to format the parallel data to print 1 and 4 bit/pixel images. After some initial problems with the parallel interface I now have this thing running from a parallel port of an Hewlett-Packard workstation and I can print 1 and 4 bit/pixel images just fine. I called the Mitsubishi people and asked about the 256 level claim and they said that was only available when used with the video signal inputs. This was not mentioned in the sales literature. However they did say the P78U can do 6 bit/pixel (64 level) images in parallel mode, but they didn't have any information about how to program it to do so, and they would call Japan, etc. Frankly, I find it hard to believe that if this thing can do 8 bit/pixel images from the video source, it can't store 8 bits/pixel in the memory. It's not like memory is that expensive any more. If anybody has any information on getting 6 bit/pixel (or even 8 bit/pixel) images out of this thing, I would greatly appreciate your sending it to me. Thanks.

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Lucky dog... :-) It applies with equal force to earlier versions. Presumably only recently did the author(s) decide it was important enough to mention. The necessity it refers to has always been there, but it's been implicit in the way CreateWindow requests default some attributes of the new window. [...] This is because the warning you read is incomplete. You have to provide not only a colormap but also a border. The default border is CopyFromParent, which is not valid when the window's depth doesn't match its parent's. Specify a border-pixmap of the correct depth, or a border-pixel, and the problem should go away. There is another problem: I can't find anything to indicate that CopyFromParent makes any sense as the border_width parameter to XCreateWindow. Your Xlib implementation probably defines CopyFromParent as zero, to simplify the conversion to wire format, so you are unwittingly asking for a border width of zero, due to the Xlib implementation not providing stricter type-checking. (To be fair, I'm not entirely certain it's possible for Xlib to catch this.) der Mouse

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i think lamont is tryin sax out in left because he is messing with his mind. he is trying to stir loose the mental block that he has had. sax was supposed to play in left last night (4-14) but we were rained out. it's not like we need to add any more outfielders to our team. it's mental

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I don't think anyone is arguing that there would be no effect. But there would be no _net_ _positive_ effect. You also have to consider the negative side: Law abiding citizens, armed with fireamrs (pistols for the most part), prevent between 80,000 (National Crime Survey) and 1,000,000 (Dr. Kleck) crimes each year. (Those are the extremes. Most studies find the number to be 500,000 to 600,000.) About 1% of those crimes are homicides, so private ownership of firearms _saves_ approximately 5,000 lives each year. There are roughly 12,000 criminal homicides and fatal accidents involving guns each year. For there to be any net benefit, you would have to show that gun control measures would disarm over 40% of the criminals currently using guns. That would be very hard to do: According the the federal BATF, only 8% of criminals buy their guns over the counter. Since gun control laws, by their very nature, only effect legal sales, such a law would remove all the benefits of armed, law-abiding citizens while having only a minimal effect on armed criminals (who, by and large, get their guns illegally.) That doesn't sound like a net benefit to me. Since most were with licensed weapons, I assume you are not supporting "reasonable" laws (i.e. waiting periods, background checks, licenses, etc...). Since only a complete ban would alter the statistic you refer to, I assume that's what you are supporting. By the way, 1135 people dies in 1986 from falling down stairs. 250 accidental handgun deaths isn't significant next to other household accidents. 1080 children under the age of 10 died by drowning, 69 from drinking poisonous household chemicals (like Drano), 139 from falls. If the real goal is to reduce the tragic, accidental deaths of children, wouldn't a ban on drain cleaners be a better palce to start? (Or, perhaps, restricting ownership to professionals like plumbers?) While you might call it "emphasis", refering to completely two statistics in the same sentence _implies_ a comparison. If it isn't valid, and you put the numbers together to convince people you are right, the kindest thing I could call it is propaganda.

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The PC World reviewers found out that the Herc people had hard-coded Winbench text into the driver. Clever, no? In any case, the Winbench results are pretty much inflated. When and if you get one send me mail.. I might buy that ATI GU+ off you.. 9-) --

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I recently posted an article asking what kind of rates single, male drivers under 25 yrs old were paying on performance cars. Here's a summary of the replies I received. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm not under 25 anymore (but is 27 close enough). 1992 Dodge Stealth RT/Twin Turbo (300hp model). No tickets, no accidents, own a house, have taken defensive driving 1, airbag, abs, security alarm, single. $1500/year $500 decut. State Farm Insurance (this includes the additional $100 for the $1,000,000 umbrella policy over my car and house) The base policy is the standard $100,000 - $100,000 - $300,000 policy required in DE. After 2nd defensive driving course it will be 5% less. I bought the car in September 1992. The company I was with (never had and accident or ticket in 11 years) quoted me $2,500. Hope this helps. Steve Flynn University of Delaware ======================================================================== 45 Kevin: (Hope I remembered your name correctly)... You asked about insurance for performance cars. Well, last year I was in a similar situation before I bought my car, and made the same inquiry as you. Age: 24 (then and now) Car: 1992 Eagle Talon TSi AWD Driving Record: Clean State: Illinois Cost: $820/6 mos. I turn 25 in May and the insurance goes down to $520/6 mos. Also, I'm single and that incurs a higher rate with my company. I've got a couple other friends w/ AWDs and they pay more than I do (different ins. companies also), so maybe I'm just lucky. Hope the info helps. Dan [[email protected]] Motorola Cellular Subscriber Group ======================================================================== 38 USA Cc: I'm 23; live in Norman, Oklahoma; drive an '89 Thunderbird SC; have never made a claim against my insurance (though I have been hit several times by negligent drivers who couldn't see stop signs or were fiddling with their radios); and I have had three moving violations in the last 18 months (one for going 85 in a 55; one for "failure to clear an intersection" (I still say the damn light was yellow); and one for going 35 in a 25 (which didn't go on my record)). My rates from State Farm (with a passive restraint deduction) on liability, $500 deductible comprehensive, and $500 deductible collision are roughly $1300/year. (I was paying just over $1100/year for a '92 Escort LX.) James James P. Callison Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center [email protected] /\ [email protected] DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work... The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC "It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has and all he's ever gonna have." --Will Munny, "Unforgiven" ======================================================================== 61 I am beyond the "under 25" age group, but I have an experience a few years ago that might be interesting to you. I owned a 1985 Toyota Celica GT. I decided to buy myself a gift - a more exotic car. Front runners included the Toyota Supra Turbo and the Porsche 924 (1987 model years). I narrowed it down to those two. I liked the simplicity and handling (and snob appeal, too) of driving a Porsche. The Supra Turbo was less money and had more features and performance - almost a personal luxury car. It had better acceleration and a higher top speed than the 924. I was almost ready to give in to a buying impulse for the 924, but i decided to stop by my insurance agent's office on the way. I asked about what would happen to my rate with either car. "If you buy the Supra, your rate classification will be the same as the Celica (the '85 Celica was considered a subcompact and for that year was rated as one of the safest cars), with a slight increase because the car will be 2 years newer. Our lower-risk division will continue to handle your account. "If you buy the Porsche 924, we'll have to change you to the standard [higher] rate company and your rate will double. And if you go with a 944, it's another story again - we'll cover the rest of this year, but cancel you after that." "But the Supra is much faster than the 924, and the 924 is actually faster than the [standard] 944. That doens't make sense." That's what the book says. We don't insure Corvettes, either. For some reason, the underwriters consider Supras - and their drivers - as very traditional and conservative." I eventually went with the Supra for a number of reasons. The Porsche dealer had a nice salesman to get me interested, but a tough high-pressure guy in the back room. At equal monthly payments, it would have taken a year longer to pay for the Porsche, plus its higher insurance. I concluded that the high insurance was related to probability of auto theft. /|/| /||)|/ /~ /\| |\|)[~|)/~ | Everyone's entitled to MY opinion. / | |/ ||\|\ \_|\/|_|/|)[_|\\_| | [email protected] ========Imagination is more important than knowledge. - Albert Einstein======= ======================================================================== 32 I live in Idaho. When I was <26 many years ago (10 years) I bought a Trans Am (new). Insurance was about $1300/year. When I turned 26, it immediately dropped to $460/year. I had not had any accidents before or after, this was strictly an age change. That same rate stayed pretty much the same until I sold the car 2 years ago. My F-150 pickup is about $80/year less. The real amazing thing is that when I woke up at age 25, I felt SO MUCH MORE RESPONSIBLE than I was before... :-) Wes ======================================================================== 21 For your information: California Male, single, under 25 , No moving violation Alfa Spider =======> $2000 / year What a bargain!!! ======================================================================== 28 Let's see, I'm 24, single, male, clean driving record. I have a 92 VW COrrado VR6. I live in San Jose, California. I pay ~1500$ a year through Allstate. A good deal if you ask me. I was thinking about getting a Talon, but I think the insurance is higher for a "turbo" sports car vs a V6 -W ======================================================================== 27 1986 Honda CRX Si, clean record, in a small New Mexico town was around $800 per year, age 24. Nearby city rates were 1.5X-2X higher than where I've got mine insured. ..robert -- Robert Stack / Institute of Transportation Studies, Univ of California-Irvine [email protected] '92 Mazda Protege LX ======================================================================== 37 1300 per year, 1992 Saturn SC, 21 Years old, State: New Mexico, Insurance: State Farm. ======================================================================== 64 Here is my info: Car : '89 Toyota Celica ST Insurance Co : Farmer's Insurance Yearly insurance: $2028 Age : 24 Date of license : Oct 14, 1992 Residence : Mountain View, California No moving violations (for now atleast ;-) Hope this helps. Please post a summary if possible. Vijay ********************************************************************** Vijay Anisetti Email: [email protected] Apt: (415)962-0320 Off: (415)926-6547 ======================================================================== 38 Single, 24 years old, Eagle Talon Turbo AWD, $1200 (full-cover, reasonable liability) No tickets, No violations, No accidents... (knock on wood...) Mass, One thing that makes a HUGE difference in MASS is the town you live in. I'm personally in one of the best towns within reasonable distance of Boston. If I moved to the absolute best it would go down to about $1150, if I moved to the worst it would be $2000+.. Also one accident and a couple of tickets, would probably add another $600... _RV ======================================================================== 43 I have a 1990 Mitsubishi eclipse turbo awd, am 23 years old and have no tickets that went on my record. I live in Illinois just outside of Chicago and pay $1560 a year with full coverage at State Farm. I did get a small discount because of my alarm system($30 a year). I only live 15 miles from Chicago but if I actually lived in the city the price would be about $2000 a year. ======================================================================== 41 I'm over 25, but in case you're interested anyway, I'm insuring a 93 SHO for $287/6 month. Thats 100k personal+300k total+100k property with 250 deductible, glass and towing, State Farm. ======================================================================== 39 Unless you are under 20 or have been driving for less than 5 years, I think you are being seriously ripped off. I don't have one of the performance cars you listed, but if your record is clean, then you should not be paying over $2K. Did you try calling all the insurance dealers you could find? Although rates are supposed to be standardized, I've found that most places I initially call, give me some ridiculously high quote and *finaly*, I hit one that is much lower. Also, I have changed insurance companies when the rate went up at renewal (no accidents, tickets, car gets older??) to maintain a low rate. You always have to be careful when it comes to insurance companies 8^).

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Only Brendan McKay, or maybe ARF, would come to the rescue of Nazi racial theory. Is it distressing Brendan? The point is that any eugenic solution to the Jewish Problem as Elias has proposed smacks of pure Nazism. The fact that Elias' proposal cast the entire "problem" as one of the abnormal presence of Israeli society in the Middle East, and that he buried a slam against U.S. aid to Israel in the midst of his "even-handed" solution of the Jewish Question, made it obvious what he had in mind: disolving the Jewish polity. That *is* a Nazi doctrine: rectification of the "abnormal presence" of the Jewish people within a larger body politic. Whether your "solution" involves gas, monetary incentives to the poor Jews to marry out, or as Feisal Husseini has said, "disolve the Zionist entity by forcing it to engage the normal surrounding Arab culture," you are engaged in a Nazi project. Just as obvious is your statement: "I will not comment on the value or lack of value of Elias's proposal." Still striking the glancing blow, right Brendan? You could easily see where he was going, but you "will not comment." So, you are complicitous. What is your fascination with Nazi racial theory, anyway? -- Chris Metcalfe ("someone else") !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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No flames please, but I picked up this discussion a bit late and I am really curious... What exactly *is* the $25 network? Something to hack together N serial cables? Something with N serial drivers?

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[email protected] (Ravikuma Venkateswar) writes ... Benchmarks are for marketing dweebs and CPU envy. OK, if it will make you happy, the 486 is faster than the 040. BFD. Both architectures are nearing then end of their lifetimes. And especially with the x86 architecture: good riddance. The point being the processor speed is only one of many aspects of a computers performance. Clock speed, processor, memory speed, CPU architecture, I/O systems, even the application program all contribute to the overall system performance. Look them up yourself.

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I'm not sure why you don't consider it an option. No one suggests that such analysis should be left to "regulators." In fact, the "re-inventing government" movement provides just such a cost/benefit approach to the analysis of public spending. Libertarians would do well to learn more about it. Sorry, but it strikes me that it is the only "feasible" approach. What is not feasible is a wholesale attack on all government regulation and licensing that treats cutting hair and practicing medicine as equivalent tasks. Actually, the only areas of public spending above that strike me as generating substantial support among libertarians are police and defense. (It is an interesting aside that as committed as libertarians claim to be to a principle of non-coercion, the only areas of public spending that they frequently support involve hiring people with guns....hmmm...) Perhaps you have. May I suggest that you consider that revolutionaries frequently generate support by acting as protectors of "geezers," mothers and children. Governments that ignore such people on the grounds that "we don't have much to fear" from them do so at their own peril. jsh

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I need to sell the following items: an Apple IIe computer includes: 300 baud modem 80 columns Zenith green monitor tons of software and manuals controller & I/O card a Western Digital WDAT-440 includes: Winchester controller Floppy controller 2 serial ports parallel port No docs, but jumper settings are printed on the card. An AAMAZING 1024x768 .28 dot pitch SVGA monitor interlaced 14" unlimited colors includes: Documentation power cord and connecting cable Must sell these items by May 4. Make me an offer on any of them.

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New Jersey 1 0 2--3 Pittsburgh 2 3 1--6 First period 1, Pittsburgh, Tocchet 1 (Stevens, Lemieux) pp, 1:40. 2, New Jersey, Barr 1 (Guerin, Holik) 6:24. 3, Pittsburgh, Lemieux 1 (Jagr, Ramsey) 9:33. Second period 4, Pittsburgh, Lemieux 2 (Stevens, Murphy) pp, 4:11. 5, Pittsburgh, Francis 1 (Ramsey, Mullen) 12:57. 6, Pittsburgh, Tippett 1 (Jagr, McEachern) 17:13. Third period 7, Pittsburgh, Jagr 1 (Samuelsson, Lemieux) pp, 8:35. 8, New Jersey, Stevens 1 (Niedermayer, Driver) pp, 11:48. 9, New Jersey, Stevens 2 (Semak, Niedermayer) 18:56. Pittsburgh: 6 Power play: 8-3 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Francis 1 0 1 Jagr 1 2 3 Lemieux 2 2 4 McEachern 0 1 1 Mullen 0 1 1 Murphy 0 1 1 Ramsey 0 2 2 Samuelsson 0 1 1 Stevens 0 2 2 Tippett 1 0 1 Tocchet 1 0 1 New Jersey: 3 Power play: 8-1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Barr 1 0 1 Driver 0 1 1 Guerin 0 1 1 Holik 0 1 1 Niedermayer 0 2 2 Semak 0 1 1 Stevens 2 0 2 ----------------------------------------- St Louis 0 2 2--4 Chicago 1 2 0--3 First period 1, Chicago, Noonan 1 (Larmer, Brown) 8:17. Second period 2, St Louis, Brown 1 (Shanahan, Emerson) 3:12. 3, Chicago, Noonan 2 (Roenick, Chelios) pp, 5:40. 4, Chicago, Noonan 3 (Matteau, Sutter) 8:51. 5, St Louis, Felsner 1 (McRae, Janney) 12:49. Third period 6, St Louis, Shanahan 1 (Brown, Hull) pp, 11:12. 7, St Louis, Hull 1 (Emerson, Brown) pp, 11:29. St Louis: 4 Power play: 4-2 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Brown 1 2 3 Emerson 0 2 2 Felsner 1 0 1 Hull 1 1 2 Janney 0 1 1 McRae 0 1 1 Shanahan 1 1 2 Chicago: 3 Power play: 7-1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Brown 0 1 1 Chelios 0 1 1 Larmer 0 1 1 Matteau 0 1 1 Noonan 3 0 3 Roenick 0 1 1 Sutter 0 1 1 ----------------------------------------- Los Angeles 1 3 2--6 Calgary 0 1 2--3 First period 1, Los Angeles, Sydor 1 (Gretzky, Sandstrom) 0:16. Second period 2, Calgary, Suter 1 (Fleury) sh, 2:48. 3, Los Angeles, Carson 1 (Shuchuk, Sydor) pp, 3:13. 4, Los Angeles, Huddy 1 (Taylor, Rychel) 3:37. 5, Los Angeles, McSorley 1 (unassisted) 6:36. Third period 6, Los Angeles, Millen 1 (Granato, Donnelly) 1:06. 7, Calgary, Dahlquist 1 (Otto) 4:23. 8, Calgary, Yawney 1 (MacInnis, Reichel) 8:47. 9, Los Angeles, Carson 2 (Sandstrom, Robitaille) pp, 10:32. Los Angeles: 6 Power play: 10-2 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Carson 2 0 2 Donnelly 0 1 1 Granato 0 1 1 Gretzky 0 1 1 Huddy 1 0 1 McSorley 1 0 1 Millen 1 0 1 Robitaille 0 1 1 Rychel 0 1 1 Sandstrom 0 2 2 Shuchuk 0 1 1 Sydor 1 1 2 Taylor 0 1 1 Calgary: 3 Power play: 8-0 Special goals: sh: 1 Total: 1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Dahlquist 1 0 1 Fleury 0 1 1 MacInnis 0 1 1 Otto 0 1 1 Reichel 0 1 1 Suter 1 0 1 Yawney 1 0 1 ----------------------------------------- First period 1, NY Islanders, Ferraro 1 (Flatley, Vaske) 5:56. Second period No scoring. Third period 2, Washington, Hunter 1 (Elynuik, Krygier) 3:18. 3, Washington, Hunter 2 (Khristich, Johansson) pp, 7:01. 4, Washington, Khristich 1 (Pivonka, Johansson) pp, 15:25. Washington: 3 Power play: 5-2 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Elynuik 0 1 1 Hunter 2 0 2 Johansson 0 2 2 Khristich 1 1 2 Krygier 0 1 1 Pivonka 0 1 1 NY Islanders: 1 Power play: 5-0 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Ferraro 1 0 1 Flatley 0 1 1 Vaske 0 1 1 ----------------------------------------- Buffalo 2 1 1 1--5 Boston 0 2 2 0--4 First period 1, Buffalo, Hannan 1 (unassisted) 2:32. 2, Buffalo, LaFontaine 1 (Mogilny) 9:26. Second period 3, Boston, Juneau 1 (Neely, Oates) pp, 7:20. 4, Boston, Neely 1 (Oates, Juneau) 14:42. 5, Buffalo, Mogilny 1 (Hawerchuk, Smehlik) 19:55. Third period 6, Buffalo, Mogilny 2 (unassisted) 3:46. 7, Boston, Neely 2 (Juneau, Oates) 15:44. 8, Boston, Heinze 1 (Juneau) 17:00. Overtime 9, Buffalo, Sweeney 1 (Khmylev, Smehlik) 11:03. Buffalo: 5 Power play: 3-0 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Hannan 1 0 1 Hawerchuk 0 1 1 Khmylev 0 1 1 LaFontaine 1 0 1 Mogilny 2 1 3 Smehlik 0 2 2 Sweeney 1 0 1 Boston: 4 Power play: 7-1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Heinze 1 0 1 Juneau 1 3 4 Neely 2 1 3 Oates 0 3 3 ----------------------------------------- Montreal 1 1 0 0--2 Quebec 0 0 2 1--3 First period 1, Montreal, Dionne 1 (Dipietro, Brunet) 5:52. Second period 2, Montreal, Bellows 1 (Muller, Desjardins) 9:58. Third period 3, Quebec, Rucinsky 1 (Lapointe, Sundin) pp, 18:31. 4, Quebec, Sakic 1 (Lapointe) 19:12. Overtime 5, Quebec, Young 1 (Ricci, Duchesne) 16:49. Quebec: 3 Power play: 4-1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Duchesne 0 1 1 Lapointe 0 2 2 Ricci 0 1 1 Rucinsky 1 0 1 Sakic 1 0 1 Sundin 0 1 1 Young 1 0 1 Montreal: 2 Power play: 1-0 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Bellows 1 0 1 Brunet 0 1 1 Desjardins 0 1 1 Dionne 1 0 1 Dipietro 0 1 1 Muller 0 1 1

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I've noticed that is has become fashionable lately in rsb to predict the Marlines to finish ahead of the Cubs....how? First Base: Grace vs Destrade...Could Destrade be the second coming of Cecil Fielder? I doubt it. If Destrade performs to the height of expectations, then even, otherwise, edge to Cubs Second Base: Sandberg vs Barberie...No contest. Sandberg will be back May 1. Edge to Cubs...a big edge. Shortstop: Vizcaino vs Weiss...Vizcaino is excellent defensively, but is an automatic out at bat. Weiss isn't much better with the stick. Even. Third Base: Dave Magadan vs Buechelle...Magadan has a higher OBP and is a better hitter. Buechelle has more power and is better defensively (I think) Edge to Florida. Catcher: Santiago vs Wilkins...Wilkins is OK, but Santiago is better. Edge to Marlins Left Field: Conine vs Maldonado...Wow! 4 for 4 yesterday...I know Conine has potential. I watched him play at Omaha the last couple years. Until he actually proves himself, I give Maldonado the edge, however, like at 1B, this is position where Florida might be even or better *if* the player there has a huge year. Center: Scott Pose vs Wilson/May...Edge to May, even if Wilson. Hopefully the Cubs will use may and save Wilson for pinch running and the like. May isn't Ken Griffey Jr, but he will hit .275 with 15 homers if he plays full time. Right: Felix vs Sosa...Felix Jose has occasional power and a bad OBP. So does Sosa, but Sosa also has speed and a good glove. Edge to Cubs Starters: Aquino? Armstrong? Hammond? A lot of fifth starters here. The Cubs won't remind anyone of the Brave staff, but Morgan-Castillo-Guzman-Hibbard is average to OK...better than the Marline. Edge to Cubs Middle Relief: Even. The Cubs have some decent middlemen, and so do the Marlins. Carpenter anf Klink or decent, but so are Assenmacher and McElroy. Closer: A healthy Harvey is a big edge to the Marlins. Meyers is decent, but no Harvey. Of course, the Cubs may have a few more games to save. Look for 30 saves, 5 blown from Meyers, and 25 saves, 3 blown (with a better ERA) for Harvey. Edge Florida. Overall, an edge to Chicago. Neither of these teams will threaten to win anything, of course. e -- [email protected] GO CUBS!!!

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Yes. BTW, the appropriate Amendments were posted here some time ago. It's OK, it's OK... Just a month ago I expressed my belief that the right to have a means to shoot your neighbor is not that much necessary to ensure a people's right to be free and got flamed by lots of American gun supporters. So I thought that... Never mind. The new Cripple Chip is a purely American problem, so deal with the mess yourselves. I just wanted to share with you a bit of my experience of living 30 years under a totalitarian regime (I'm Bulgarian) - because I thought that it might be useful to you. Oh well. Regards, Vesselin

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You can learn how to build a deyhdrator very easily from the book, "The Hungry Hiker's Guide to Good Food," by Gretchen McHugh. The heat source is a 100 watt light bulb. Basically, it's a vertical wooden box with ventilation holes in the top and bottom (lots of them, you want the air to flow). The light bulb goes in the bottom, and wire cake racks are spaced every 6" starting about 10" above the bulb. Or, at a slightly higher cost in electricity, you can do what I do: Use your oven. (NOTE - I do this in an electric oven; some gas ovens may not have a low enough setting). Put food to be dried on cookie tins or racks in the oven. Set oven to 140 degrees (the lowest setting on my oven - if yours goes down to 120 that's probably even better.) Stick a wooden spoon or something across the front corner of the oven and close the door on the spoon so that it stays open about an inch - this allows for airflow. Leave the stuff in the oven for 6 to 8 hours; check it often, since this dries it much faster than the dehydrator. If you are using cookie sheets instead of racks, turn the stuff over halfway through. If you want more info, e-mail me since this isn't really the right sub for this stuff. [email protected] * SLMR 2.1 * I still miss my boss, but my aim is improving.

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YES! Give me his name I would greatly appreciate it. Rich

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On ftp.cica.indiana.edu in pub/pc/win3/misc/winadv.zip is a writeup by Steve Gibson of InfoWorld with winbench 3.11 and a number of other benchmark results for nine isa and four VLB video cards. This is a very current upload and is likely to have any card you're currently giving serious consideration. Not in XLS format. Latest version of WinBench that I know of is ver 3.11. I believe they try to maintain the same rating scale between versions, and new versions are released to defeat the lastest coding tricks put in by driver programmers to beat the benchmarks. Don't know on the last one.

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:> Surrender your arms. Soon enough, officers will be around to collect :> them. Resistance is useless. : :Don't tell me -- you're the "Borg Warner," right? HAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Hee, hee. <chuckle> This was absolutely fabulous. I nearly fell out of my chair laughing. Wonderful! Mr. Tavares, my hat is off to you again! Mike Ruff

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Here are some cool 3-D background patterns I made. Edit your CONTROL.INI and add the following lines to your [Patterns] section. Bricks=148 43 86 172 89 182 99 201 Tile=1 43 85 43 85 43 85 255 Tile (diagonal)=148 107 54 156 73 182 99 201 Slats=0 170 85 170 85 170 85 255 Make sure your desktop color is one of the standard 16 colors or the patterns might not work. I like dark grey the best with these.

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I'm considering the purchase of a 486DX-33 VLB system to run linux. The system has an ASUS-brand motherboard. Anyone have any comments on ASUS motherboards? Thanks,

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This activity is regularly reported in Ron's interesting posts. Could someone explain what the Command Loss Timer is? Thanks, Alan

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Well, it wasn't that way for Enoch and Elijah, both of whom were translated directly into heaven. It's beyond my grasp why some object that Mary, who was far greater than either Enoch or Elijah, should not benefit from the same privelege they recieved. She was after all, Mother of God, full of grace, and immaculate. And in St. Germain of Constantinople and St. John of Damascus, and in St. Andrew of Crete, among others. And it should be noted that the Monophysite Chruches of Egypt and Syria also hold to this belief as part of divine revelation, even though they broke away from the unity of the Chruch in 451 AD by rejecting the Council of Chalcedon. It might be argued by some Protestants that the Catholics and Orthodox made this belief up, but the Monophysites, put a big hole in that notion, as they also hold the belief, and they split from the Chruch before the belief was first annunciated in writing (as far as is known, much has been lost from the time of the Fathers).

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Just to make sure everyone is clear on this: "it never has" refers to "protects", not "fails to protect"; i.e., in my lifetime I have never seen the U.S. government consistently protect the interest of U.S. citizens, except by accident.

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Do you know of any freely distributable c++ (or c) code for public key cryptography (such as RSA)? I've tried various archie searches to no avail.

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I need advice with a situation which occurred between me and a physican which upset me. I saw this doctor for a problem with recurring pain. He suggested medication and a course of treatment, and told me that I need to call him 7 days after I begin the medication so that he may monitor its effectiveness, as well as my general health. I did exactly as he asked, and made the call (reaching his secretary). I explained to her that I was following up at the doctor's request, and that I was worried because the pain episodes were becoming more frequent and the medication did not seem effective. The doctor called me back, and his first words were, "Whatever you want, you'd better make it quick. I'm very busy and don't have time to chit- chat with you!" I told him I was simply following his instructions to call on the 7th day to status him, and that I was feeling worse. I then asked if perhaps there was a better time for us to talk when he had more time. He responded, "Just spit it out now because no time is a good time." (Said in a raised voice.) I started to feel upset and tried to explain quickly what was going on with my condition but my nervousness interfered with my choice of words and I kind of stuttered and then said "well, never mind" and he said he'll talk to various colleagues about other medications and he'll call me some other time. This doctor called me that evening and said because I didn't express myself well, he was confused about what I wanted. At this point I was pretty upset and I told him (in an amazingly polite voice considering how angry I felt) that his earlier manner had hurt my feelings. He told me that he just doesn't have time to "rap with patients" and thought that was what I wanted. I told him that to assume I was calling to "rap" was insulting, and said again that I was just following through on his orders. He responded that he resented the implication that he felt I was making that he was not interested in learning about what his patients have to say about their condition status. He then gave me this apology: "I am sorry that there was a miscommunication and you mistakenly thought I was insulting. I am not trying to insult you but I am not that knowledgeable about pain, and I don't have a lot of time to deal with that." He then told me to call him the next day for further instructions on how do deal with my pain and medication. I am still upset and have not yet called. My questions: (1) Should I continue to have this doctor manage my care? (2) Since I am in pain off and on, I realize that this may cause me to be more anxietous so am I perhaps over-reacting or overly sensitive? If this doctor refers me to his colleague who knows more about the type of pain I have, he still wants me to status him on my condition but now I am afraid to call him.

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This may be a dumb question, but I need to put a hard drive on my father's PC/XT, either MFM, RLL, or IDE. I know how to hook it up, but how do I tell the computer the geometry of the drive. On my 386, you set it in the BIOS, but I doubt that's how it's done on an XT. I thought it might be software with the controller card, but the IDE card for XT's that I saw didn't come with any. Also, how do I low level format it once it's on the computer? (Assuming a drive which needs formatting) advTHANKSance,

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Do you believe that any quacks exist? How about quack diagnoses? Is being a "licensed physician" enough to guarantee that someone is not a quack, or is it just that even if a licensed physician is a quack, other people shouldn't say so? Can you give an example of a commonly diagnosed ailment that you think is a quack diagnosis, or have we gotten to the point in civilization where we no longer need to worry about unscrupulous "healers" taking advantage of people.

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[...] ^^^^^ [...] [...] Given my desire to stay as far away as possible from farming and ranching equipment, I really hate to jump into this thread. I'm going to anyway, but I really hate it. Ed, exactly what kind of mutant horse-like entity do you ride, anyway? Does countersteering work on the normal, garden-variety, one-necked horse? Obmoto: I was flipping through the March (I think) issue of Rider, and I saw a small pseudo-ad for a book on hand signals appropriate to motorcycling. It mentioned something about a signal for "Your passenger is on fire." Any body know the title and author of this book, and where I could get a copy? This should not be understood as implying that I have grown sociable enough to ride with anyone, but the book sounded cute. ----- Tommy McGuire [email protected] [email protected]

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Here are some corrections and additions to Hellman's note, courtesy of Dorothy Denning. Again, this is reposted with permission. Two requests -- first, note the roles of S1 and S2. It appears to me and others that anyone who knows those values can construct the unit key. And the nature of the generation process for K1 and K2 is such that neither can be produced alone. Thus, the scheme cannot be implemented such that one repository generates the first half-key, and another generates the second. *That* is ominous. Second -- these postings are not revealed scripture, nor are they carefully-crafted spook postings. Don't attempt to draw out hidden meanings (as opposed to, say, the official announcements of Clipper). Leave Denning out of this; given Hellman's record of opposition to DES, which goes back before some folks on this newsgroup knew how to read, I don't think you can impugn his integrity. Oh yeah -- the folks who invented Clipper aren't stupid. If you think something doesn't make sense, it's almost certainly because you don't understand their goals. --Steve Bellovin ----- Date: Sun, 18 Apr 93 07:56:39 EDT From: [email protected] (Dorothy Denning) Subject: Re: Clipper Chip To: (a long list of folks) I was also briefed by the NSA and FBI, so let me add a few comments to Marty's message: The Clipper Chip will have a secret crypto algorithm embedded in The algorithm operates on 64-bit blocks (like DES) and the chip supports all 4 DES modes of operation. The algorithm uses 32 rounds of scrambling compared with 16 in DES. In addition to the system key, each user will get to choose his or her own key and change it as often as desired. Call this key plain old K. When a message is to be sent it will first be K is the session key shared by the sender and receiver. Any method (e.g., public key) can be used to establish the session key. In the AT&T telephone security devices, which will have the new chip, the key is negotiated using a public-key protocol. encrypted under K, then K will be encrypted under the unit key UK, and the serial number of the unit added to produce a three part message which will then be encrypted under the system key SK producing E{ E[M; K], E[K; UK], serial number; SK} My understanding is that E[M; K] is not encrypted under SK (called the "family key") and that the decrypt key corresponding to SK is held by law enforcement. Does anyone have first hand knowledge on this? I will also check it out, but this is 7am Sunday so I did not want to wait. The unit key will be generated as the XOR of two 80-bit random numbers K1 and K2 (UK=K1+K2) which will be kept by the two escrow The unit key, also called the "chip key," is generated from the serial number N as follows. Let N1, N2, and N3 be 64 bit blocks derived from N, and let S1 and S2 be two 80-bit seeds used as keys. Compute the 64-bit block R1 = E[D[E[N1; S1]; S2]; S1] (Note that this is like using the DES in triple encryption mode with two keys.) Similarly compute blocks R2 and R3 starting with N2 and N3. (I'm unlear about whether the keys S1 and S2 change. The fact that they're called seeds suggests they might.) Then R1, R2, and R3 are concatenated together giving 192 bits. The first 80 bits form K1 and the next 80 bits form K2. The remaining bits are discarded. authorities. Who these escrow authorities will be is still to be decided by the Attorney General, but it was stressed to me that they will NOT be NSA or law enforcement agencies, that they must be parties acceptable to the users of the system as unbiased. Marty is right on this and the FBI has asked me for suggestions. Please pass them to me along with your reasons. In addition to Marty's criteria, I would add that the agencies must have an established record of being able to safeguard highly sensitive information. Some suggestions I've received so far include SRI, Rand, Mitre, the national labs (Sandia, LANL, Los Alamos), Treasury, GAO. When a court order obtains K1 and K2, and thence K, the law enforcement agency will use SK to decrypt all information flowing on the suspected link [Aside: It is my guess that they may do this constantly on all links, with or without a court order, since it is almost impossible to tell which links over which a message will flow.] My understanding is that there will be only one decode box and that it will be operated by the FBI. The service provider will isolate the communications stream and pass it to the FBI where it will pass through the decode box, which will have been keyed with K. for "the wiretap authorizations." When Levy asked for the details so he could review the cases as required by law, the agent told him that his predecessors just turned over 40-50 blank, signed forms every time. Levi did not comply and changed the system, but the lesson is clear: No single person or authority should have the power to authorize wiretaps No single person does, at least for FBI taps. After completing a mound of paperwork, an agent must get the approval of several people on a chain that includes FBI legal counsel before the request is even taken to the Attorney General for final approval.

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They spent quite a bit of time on the wording of the Constitution. They picked words whose meanings implied the intent. We have already looked in the dictionary to define the word. Isn't this sufficient? But we were discussing it in relation to the death penalty. And, the Constitution need not define each of the words within. Anyone who doesn't know what cruel is can look in the dictionary (and we did).

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Who said Christians want to conform to the teachings of Jesus?

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THIS President. (And I could easily be wrong.)

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I agree that notifying your elected officials of your feelings on this (and any other, for that matter) issue is the way to go. And by the way, the phone #s on the list posted the other day were all in Washington D.C. -- For most of you, your elected officials will also maintain a local office in your area code. When I 'manage' my elected officials, I use their local office #'s exclusively, and my fax modem and windows-print-capture software are my tool of choice. They see my words as I have stated them, rather than a summary as they would if I called in /voice/ and left a comment with the office staff.

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You have done no such thing. An Islamic bank is a bank which operates according to the rules of Islam in regard to banking. This is done explicitly by the bank. This was not the case with BCCI. This is crap. BCCI was motivated by the same motives as other international banks, with perhaps an emphasis on dealing with outlaws and the intelligence services of various governments. Back to childish propaganda again. You really ought to get a life rather than wasting bandwith on such empty typing. There are thousands of Islamic banks operating throughout the world which no-one ever hears about. If you want to talk about corrupted banks we can talk about all the people who've been robbed by American banks.

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I am looking for recommendations for a good (great?) Alfa Romeo mechanic in South Jersey or Philadelphia or nearby. I have a '78 Alfa Spider that needs some engine, tranny, steering work done. The body is in quite good shape. The car is awful in cold weather, won't start if below freezing (I know, I know, why drive a Spider if there's snow on the ground ...). It has Bosch *mechanical* fuel injection that I am sure needs adjustment. Any opinions are welcome on what to look for or who to call. Email or post (to rec.autos), I will summarize if people want.

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There were many injustices in the middle ages. And this is truely sad. I would hate to see a day when churches put people to death or torchured them for practicing homosexuality, or any other crime. The church is not called to take over the governments of the world. It may be that homosexuals treated cruelly today, but that does not mean that we should teach Christians to practice homosexual immorality. Do you think that we should also teach Christians to practice divination and channelling because the witches in the middle ages were persecuted. And you accuse me of judging? When did you look into my heart and see if I have love. I have been writing that we should not teach Christians to practice homosexual immorality, and you pretend to have divine knowledge to look into my heart. I can't say that I love homosexuals as I should- I can't say that I love my neighbor as I should either. I don't know very many homosexuals as it is. But Jesus loves homosexuals, just as He loves everyone else. If His love were conditional, I not know Him at all. Yes. We should show love to homosexuals, but it is not love to encourage brothers in the church to stumble and continue in their sin. That is a very damaging and dangerous thing. That is slander. I could just as easily say that NAMBLA has been able to implement legislation to make child molesting easier because of the tearing down of societies morality due to people accepting homosexuality as normal, and that this is what you are embracing. I do believe that homosexual sex is immoral, that does not mean I endorse using violence against them. There is a problem of hatred in the church. But there is also the problem of what has been called "unsanctified mercy." Many in the conservative churches have seen the moral breakdown in this country and the storm on the horizon, and have gotten militant in the flesh. This is truely sad. Yet others in other churches have embraced immorality in society, and have pointed to the carnality in the conservative churches to justify their actions. Certainly we should not use a bullwhip to drive people from Jesus. But we shouldn't water down the gospel to draw people in. Jesus didn't go out of His way to show only what might be considered positive aspects to draw people in. He told one man to sell all He had. He told another not to say good bye to His family. His words were hard at times. We should present people with the cost of the tower before we allow them to begin construction. many people have already been innoculated to the gospel. Link Hudson.

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Howdy all, Where could I find a screen-grabber program for MS-Windows? I'm writing up some documentation and it would be VERY helpful to include sample screens into the document. Please e-mail as I don't usualy follow this group. Thanks a lot, Grant

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Okay, this is a long shot. My friend Robin has recurring bouts of mononucleosis-type symptoms, very regularly. This has been going on for a number of years. She's seen a number of doctors; six was the last count, I think. Most of them have said either "You have mono" or "You're full of it; there's nothing wrong with you." One has admitted to having no idea what was wrong with her, and one has claimed that it is Epstein-Barr syndrome. Now, what she told me about EBS is that very few doctors even believe that it exists. (Obviously, this has been her experience.) So, what's the story? Is it real? Does the medical profession believe it to be real? Has anyone had success is treating EBS? Or is it just something to live with? Thanks for your assistance.

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Cool. They sound like a cult classic. Can someone post a address or phone # of a store that sells these? Thanks,

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Any clue? Some times when I enter Win 3.1 ProgMan says that I need to rebuild a group! It's quite annoying!

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Oh! For a second I thought this was a posting by Ed Green!

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1) The next time you get stoped by a cop, never never never admit to anything. 2) Don't volunteer any information. 3) When a retoracle question is ask by the cop, like "...it <looked> like you were going kinda fast coming down highway 12. You <must have> been going at least 70 or 75?" -- the correct reponse is to deny it. This technique is employed by police to help establish guilt, especially when (9 times out of 10) he/she is not sure who was doing the speeding. If the cop is unsure this may be the difference of him letting you off the hook or getting the tissue. Hope this helps for next time.

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: > This is a good point, but I think "average" people do not take up Christianity : > so much out of fear or escapism, but, quite simply, as a way to improve their : > social life, or to get more involved with American culture, if they are kids of : > immigrants for example. Since it is the overwhelming major religion in the : > Western World (in some form or other), it is simply the choice people take if : > they are bored and want to do something new with their lives, but not somethong : > TOO new, or TOO out of the ordinary. Seems a little weak, but as long as it : > doesn't hurt anybody... : The social pressure is indeed a very important factor for the majority : of passive Christians in our world today. In the case of early Christianity : the promise of a heavenly afterlife, independent of your social status, : was also a very promising gift (reason slaves and non-Romans accepted : the religion very rapidly). If this is a hypothetical proposition, you should say so, if it's fact, you should cite your sources. If all this is the amateur sociologist sub-branch of a.a however, it would suffice to alert the unwary that you are just screwing around ...

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Has anybody gotten this BMP to work? I try to uudecode it, but I get "input file error" and no picture. Anybody?

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I'm look for current patches for color xterm for X11R5 pl19 ro higher. Could someone please tell me where to get them for e-mail them to me. Thanks.

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This was posted to the firearms-politics mailing list. ============================================================== Hi Folks; Wednesday marked day 2, the beginning of the trial. Opening statements were given by both the prosecution and the defense, each side presenting its version of what happenned last August. The prosecution argued that Weaver and his family moved to Idaho in 1983 anticipating a battle with the "evil" federal government. The prosecution alleges that Weaver sold federal agents "sawed off" shotguns and later failed to appear for trial: Despite repeated "good faith" efforts to get Weaver to surrender peacefully, Weaver refused. The shootout erupted when Weaver discovered agents on a surveillance mission and began firing. According to the prosecution, three people were taking an "offensive action" against an FBI helicopter when an FBI sniper killed Vicki Weaver. The defense argued that Weaver and his family moved to northern Idaho in 1983 to practice their religion in peace. They wanted simply to be left alone. Weaver was induced by federal agents to sell the short-barrelled shotgun (and did not, as the prosecution alleged, want to become a "regular supplier"). The defense also argued that the federal government sought to arrest Weaver when he wouldn't become an informant [it is not specified explicitly, but I assume that this is a reference to the white separatist angle of the story. We'll know more as things develop]. The failure to appear in court happenned because Weaver was given an incorrect court date and then indicted before that date. The shootout occurred when federal agent Arthur Roderick killed Weaver's dog that was in proximity to Weaver's son, Samuel. Weaver then fired in self-defense. In the ensuing battle, federal agent William Degan was killed (when his gun was later found, there were 7 .223 cases nearby and the gun was on semi-automatic: However, agents were near the body for an extended period of time and could have played with the select-fire - this will have to be more fully explained). Finally, the defense claims that Vicki Weaver was only going to "look at the body" [not recover?] of her son when she was cut-down by an FBI sniper. Prosecution quote: "Weaver wanted that confrontation, and he made that confrontation." -- Asst. U.S. Attorney Kim Lindquist Defense quote: "The evidence in this case is going to show that this is a case where Randy Weaver and Kevin Harris are charged with crimes they didn't commit in order to cover crimes that the government did commit." -- Gerry Spence [nice soundbite!] Notes: The _Idaho Statesman_ claims that Weaver supporters heeded a call from Spence not to repeat yesterday's protests outside the courthouse. However, the local NBC affiliate again had footage on the 10:00 news with 5 supporters including "Tim" again. "Tim" claimed he was a skinhead, who were "ordinary, working class people." He also claimed he was for "white pride, not white power." Outside the courthouse the television crew had an impromptu interview with Bo Gritz, who charged that the neo-nazi protestors are exactly what the government wants to smear Randy Weaver. In an affiliated article carried in the _Idaho Statesman_, about a dozen lawyers were among the 70 or so people packed into the courthouse. These lawyers were present to watch Gerry Spence in action, and to perhaps learn something from him. Some tidbits: Spence flatly told the jurors that he and his son Kent were volunteering their time to represent Weaver because they believed in him. Spence, during his 90-minute opening statement, repeatedly walked behind Weaver and placed his hands on the defendants shoulders (Weaver broke down and cried during the recounting of his wife's death), and Spence compared the "sawed off" shotgun to driving 56 mph when the limit was 55 (another good one!). Today (Thursday, April 15th) the prosecution was scheduled to begin presenting evidence. Drew =============================================================

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I am working on a program to display 3d wireframe models with the user being able to arbitrarily change any of the viewing parameters. Also, the wireframe objects are also going to have dynamic attributes so that they can move around while the user is "exploring" the wireframe world. To do this, I am thinking of using the SRGP package described in the Van Dam, Foley and Feiner book, but I was wondering if there was another PD graphics package out there which was faster. I would like to make the program as fast as possible so that it provides satisfactory real time performance on a Sun IPX. Ideally, I'm looking for a PD graphics package which will allow me to open a new window under X, and allow me to draw lines within the window. Also, it would also need to have some sort of event driven interaction handling since the user is going to move around the wireframe models using the keyboard. If you know or wrote such a package, I would be grateful if you could direct me to a ftp site which contains the package. Thank you.

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MUST SELL: 1988 Toyota Camry LE -- Car has AC, PS, PB, Sunroof, AM/FM Cassette radio, Cruise control, etc. 61000 miles. White with red interior. Car is in excellent condition. It is located in the Paramus, NJ area. $7900 or best offer.

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No, that's not how it works. This may be through a different mechanism. Tenderizing beef involves sprinking or marinading it in papain, an enzyme. "Meat tenderizer" packets might contain papain and MSG and seasonings, but MSG doesn't act as a tenderizer.

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>>So good that there isn't any diff whether or not ATManager is turned >>on or not. Is it worth it to run ATM at all? Especially with these >>better printer technologies ... and TT? > >There are some fonts that are only available as PS fonts. If you >have a PS font that you want to use, use ATM. Otherwise, it is >a waste of system resources. > -----Or, if you need to use a service bureau and they're only set up to use Type 1 fonts. From what I've heard (pure hearsay) the results of outputting TT fonts as Type 1 is _not_ as good as using high-quality Type 1 fonts in the first place. Unless you `print' to file with the correct resolution set for the final output device (image setter). A problem with TT fonts in Windows is that they do get converted to T1 format OK, and the hinting is even used while this is done, but the resulting T1 fonts are NOT hinted. The result is that they WILL work fine on a device of the resolution assumed by the printer driver when the PS file is generated, but they will not look good when printed at a different resolution.

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Dbase IV, ver 1.5, 3.5 disks. Manuals still shrinkwrapped, and all registration materials present. Asking $125.

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If you're thinking of reactive polymers they're making ESD safe contauiners out of it. As far as being conductive goes anything with a resistance less than 10 to the fouthrth power ohms per cubic measure is classed as conductive per MIL-STD-1686 for ESD protection. My $0.02 ($0.016 US).

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I have 5 full reels of Ampex 456 2" recording tape. This tape was used once at 15 ips and carefully stored. All reel include an Ampex tape band. The tape has not been bulk erased to my knowledge. The history of the tape in know and available upon request. JMAR in Toronto sells new 2" 456 for $260+tax (Canadian) I would like $100CDN/reel which will include postage. Brett Maraldo - Plexus Productions ps. The reels are 2500' long; standard thickness.

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San Mateo Duplex houses for sale: West side location, Alameda and HWY 92. large lot 55X140. Nice quiet location, No front neighbor, space for pool or jacuzzi. spacious rooms, cozy living room with fireplace. Only minutes from highways 280 and 92 and 101. Excellent schools, shopping and transportation nearby. Unit one: " Remodeled " 2100 SQ foot 3 bedrooms 2 baths Large master suite Den/study Eat in Kitchen Very large Backyard Fenced backyard Hardwood floor Wall to wall carpet Marbel/tile/vinyl 2 car garage car port Washer and dryer hook up Living room dinning combo totally remodeled Unit two: " BRAND NEW CONSTRUCTION " 645 SQ Foot 1 bedroom 1 bath Fire place Dinning room Private yard Private entry detached unit Washer & dryer Living room Barbeque patio All separet Utilities from the city Price $468,500 ( By Owner ) Call Medi Amadi at 510-601-1525 eves 510-823-3366 days

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>Have you head of small claims. You may have to put money up >front for the filing fees, and then possibly having the local >sheriff of his/her city to deliver the bad news. In the end >the other party will end up paying for his/her mistake with >interest from the time of the filing to the pay date of the >defendent I think the problem with small claims court is that you have to go to the location of the person you're taking action against. It seems to me the time and money involved in travelling out there (unless this person is close to you) wouldn't be worth it for a small claim. It really depends on how much money you're out. If I am wrong about any of this, someone please correct me! ;) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kenneth Simon Dept of Sociology, Indiana University Internet: [email protected] Bitnet: KSSIMON@IUBACS

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I beleive this was the source of the Kennedy clan's money. Jim -- [email protected]

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Eric ("Damien"?) was presenting his views on Christianity; I'll respond to a few of his points: This is certainly a valid objection to religion-as-explanation-of- nature. Fortunately for the convenience of us believers, there is a class of questions that can never be reduced away by natural science. For example: why does the universe exist at all? After all, the time-space world didn't have to exist. Why does *anything* exist? And: is it possible for persons (e.g. man) to come into being out of a purely impersonal cosmos? These questions which look at the real mysteries of life -- the creation of the world and of persons -- provide a permanent indicator that the meaning of life in the material world can only be found *outside* that world, in its Source. When you say that man is *only* an animal, I have to think that you are presenting an unprovable statement -- a dogma, if you will. And one the requires a kind of "faith" too. By taking such a hard line in your atheism, you may have stumbled into a religion of your own. But before you write off all Christianity as phony and shallow, I hope you'll do a little research into its history and varieties, perhaps by reading Paul Johnson's "A History of Christianity". From your remarks, it seems that you have been exposed to certain types of Christian religion and not others. Even an atheist should have enough faith in Man to know that a movement of 2000 years has to have some depth, and be animated by some enduring values. With best wishes,

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< <>If the Clinton Clipper is so very good, [...] < <Please note that Bill Clinton probably has little if anything to do <with the design, implementation or reasoning behind this chip or behind <any "moves" being made using this chip as a pawn. Uh, I notice he has not either asked for or allowed public input, and he damn sure has not stopped it... <Remember, when you elect a president of the united states, it's not <the case that all the Republicans, etc. in the NSA and FBI and CIA <immediately pack their bags and get replaced by a team of fresh young <Democrats. Most of the government -- say, 96% -- is appointed or <hired rather than elected. Since this Clipper device has been in <production for over six months, it probably has little or no <foundation in the currently elected Democratic Executive body. Again, if it was something Clinton didn't like, how come he did not stop it, or get PUBLIC input before implimenting the DECISION? He sure has asserted his authority on other things he did not agree with from the Bush administrationk, I notice. He is the president, therefore he is RESPONSIBLE for the actions of the Execuitive Branch. I have not the slightest bit of doubt you would be holding Bush or Reagan to that standard had they been in office when this thing was cast into stone... <>BTW - those who suggest that this is just an attack on Clinton, believe <>this: I would be going ballistic reagardless WHO seriously proposed <>this thing. It is just another step in a gradual erosion of our rights <>under the Constitution or Bill of Rights. The last couple of decades <>have been a non-stop series of end-runs around the protections of the <>Constitution. It has to stop. Now is as good a time as any, if it <>isn't too late allready. < <Could be. However, the sky hasn't fallen yet, Chicken Little. Thanks for the name-calling. That really makes your position higly credible. Lenin had a term for folks with your outlook. Do you REALLY have THAT MUCH faith in the trustworthiness and honesty of the government that is primarily concerned with people control? I suspect you will be in for an unpleasant surprise. I would just as soon see this nipped in the bud while/if it still can be done, instead of waiting for yet more abridgements of our Bill of Rights, thank you...

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You should be able to pick up an ADB cable at any computer wiring store... I'd give you the address of Alberta Computer cable in Calgary, but a: I'm in Victoria (B.C., Canada) and b: I don't think an address in Calgary would help you too much....basically however I just phoned them up, and they charged me approx. $15 cnd for a custom made ADB extension cable for my mouse. Hope this helps...

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An excellent reference for non-technical readers on the ORION system is "The Starflight Handbook", by Eugene Mallove and Gregory Matloff, ISBN 0-471-61912-4. The relevant chapter is 4: Nuclear Pulse Propulsion. The book also contains lots of technical references for the more academically inclined. Enjoy!

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Yep. There's truth in all those religions, even in science. Christianity doesn't claim to know it all. It does claim certain things are true though that contradict other religions' truth claims. So they can't all be true.

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Julie, it is a really trying situation that you have described. My brother was living with someone like that and things were almost as bad (although he left after a considerably shorter amount of time due to other problems with the relationship). Anyway, the best thing to do would be to get everyone in the same room together (optimally in a room with nothing breakable), lock the door behind you, throw the key out underneath the door (just as far as the longest hand can reach. You would like to get out after the conclusion, I would imagine), and hash things out. More than likely, there will be screaming, crying, and possibly hitting (unless of course someone decided to bring some rope to tie people down). Some of the best strategies in keeping things calmer would include: have each individual own their own statements (ie, I feel that this relationship is hurting everyone involved because.... or I really don't understand where you're coming from.) reinforce statements by paraphrasing, etc. (ie, So you think that we did this because of...? Well, let me just say that the reason for this was ....) don't accuse each other (It was your fault that ... happened!) find a common ground about SOMETHING (Lampshades really are decorational and functional at the same time.) Guaranteed, in a situation like this, there is going to be some gunnysacking (re-hashing topics which were assumed resolved, but were truly not and someone feels someone else is to blame). However, this should be kept to a minimum and simply ask for forgiveness or apologize about each situation WITHOUT holding a smoldering grudge. The relationship really can work. It's just a matter of keeping things smooth and even. It's sort of like making a peace treaty between warring factions: you can't give one side everything; there must be a compromise. Breaks can be taken, but communication between everyone involved must continue if the relationships here are to survive.

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I suggest that misc.consumer.house is a better forum for this, several electricians, a huge FAQ that adresses ALL the issues raised here. --

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To compute this, and many other astronomical things, go and get (x)ephem written by Elwood C. Downey. It is e.g. on export.lcs.mit.edu

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-> -> > Besides which, we don't *want* Clinton assasinated, because that would make h -> > a martyr a la JFK. -> > -> > It's a much better deal to have him end his term of office in disgrace, after -> > watching all his liberal democrat friends on his staff run this nation down t -> > toilet. -> > -> > Assuming, of course, that the riots a fortnight from now don't do it for him. -> -> -> He'd have to go a far ways to run things down as bad as Reagan and Bush -> did. We didn't have riots but Bush got dumped out on his spotty Behind. -> -> -> We'll see in 4 years. -> -> -> Pope Charles Slack in our time! -> -> ?s You need to stop watching TV and start reading some history.

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> If the new Kuiper belt object *is* called 'Karla', the next >one should be called 'Smiley'. Unless I'm imaging things, (always a possibility =) 1992 QB1, the Kuiper Belt object discovered last year, is known as Smiley. As it happens the _second_ one is Karla. The first one was Smiley. All subject to the vagaries of the IAU of course, but I think they might let this one slide... * Steinn Sigurdsson Lick Observatory * * [email protected] "standard disclaimer" * * "The worst thing you can say to a true revolutionary is that his * * revolution is unnecessary, that the problems can be corrected without * * radical change. Telling people that paradise can be attained without * * revolution is treason of the vilest kind." -- H.S. 1993 *

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The BusLogic cards have an OS/2 2.0 driver that does work with the March 2.1 beta. Support for the BusLogic cards is not included with OS/2 2.0 any longer. If you wish to install the beta from the CD/ROM, you will need to REM out the Adaptec device drivers, as they have a nasty tendency to crash the BusLogic cards when OS/2 attempts to use them. (Thanks Adaptec!) So you add the BusLogic drivers to the config.sys on the CD-ROM boot disk, and REM out the Adaptec drivers. Then you install the whole 1st half of the Beta.. and it won't work! IBM nicely copies in the Adaptec drivers once again. (Thanks IBM!) So.. REM out the Adaptec drivers once more.. and reboot. If you have everything in the right order.. it will work. Things are pretty smooth through the rest of the installation.. except OS/2 will try to install the Adaptec SCSI drivers once again at the end... so.. you are off to more REM statements and more fun. The BT 542Bk comes with drivers and costs the same as the Adaptec cards that do not come with drivers. The DOS drivers work great. This card can easily be configured to work with 8 different sets of I/O ports (and you can use multiple host adapters in one machine) If you get a new card.. it will also be able to support up to 8 GB drives under DOS. Hope this helps.. - Dan

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THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary _________________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 15, 1993 AMERICAN UNIVERSITY PRESIDENT JOSEPH DUFFEY NAMED TO HEAD USIA, MICA TO CHAIR BOARD FOR INTERNATIONAL BROADCASTING Washington, D.C. - President Clinton today announced his intention to nominate American University President and former State Department Assistant Secretary Joseph Duffey to be Director of the United States Information Agency. The President also designated Daniel Mica Chairman of the Board for International Broadcasting. "Joe Duffey's expertise in the fields of education, communications and foreign affairs is vast and will serve him well as he takes the helm at USIA and works to promote the ideals of democracy and freedom abroad," the President said. President of American University in Washington, D.C. since 1991, Duffey previously served nine years as Chancellor and President of the University of Massachusetts at Amherst. In 1977 he served as Assistant Secretary of State, Education and Cultural Affairs in the State Department. Duffey served as Chairman of the National Endowment for the Humanities under both Presidents Carter and Reagan. In 1978 and 1980, Duffey served as a United States delegate to the General Conference of the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization. In 1991, Duffey served as joint head of the U.S. Delegation observing national elections in Ethiopia. USIA, which celebrates its 40th anniversary this year, is an independent foreign affairs agency within the executive branch that explains and supports U.S. foreign policy and national security interests abroad through a wide range of information programs. Among the agency's programs are the Fulbright academic program, Voice of America, the Worldnet satellite television system and a network of overseas libraries and cultural centers. The agency has more than 210 posts in more than 140 countries. (more) Press Release pg. 2 Mica becomes Chairman of the Board for International Broadcasting after serving as a member of the board since 1991. "Dan Mica has done an excellent job on the Board of International Broadcasting and I expect he will continue as chairman to promote the cause of democracy abroad," the President said. Biographical sketches of the appointees follow: Joseph Duffey has served as President of American University since 1991. Prior to his tenure at American, Duffey served as Chancellor and President of the University of Massachusetts at Amherst (1982 - 91) and as a Guest Scholar at the Brookings Institution (1982). He served as Chairman of the National Endowment for the Humanities from 1977 - 82 and as Assistant Secretary of State, Education and Cultural Affairs with the Department of State in 1977. Duffey holds 14 honorary degrees from American colleges and universities. In 1980 he was named Commander of the Order of the Crown by the King of Belgium and he has been a member of the Council of Foreign Relations since 1979. Duffey received a BA from Marshall University in 1954, a BD from the Andover Newton Theological School in 1958, a STM from Yale University in 1963 and a Ph.D. from the Harvard Seminary Foundation in 1969. Duffey is a member of the National Business- Higher Education Forum and a founder and co-chairman of the Western Massachusetts Economic Development Conference. Duffey is married to Anne Wexler and has four sons. Daniel Mica is a former U.S. Representative from the 14th District of Florida and has served on the Board of International Broadcasting since 1991. During his tenure in Congress from 1979 - 89 he served on the House Committee on Foreign Relations and was appointed by President Reagan as the Congressional Representative to the United Nations.

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Since the AT&T wiretap chip is scheduled to be distributed internationally, allowing the U.S. government to spy on foreign governments, companies and people as as well as to wiretap domestic citizens, this is a world-wide issue. Thus Distribution: world. Why do we hackers care about the Clipper chip? Do we give a shit about anybody's privacy accept our own? And perhaps not even our own; are we so smart that we always know when we're talking to somebody who has a wiretap on their phone? I find the "call thru your computer" ideas may reflect this attitude. Ideas that are of, by, and for hackers, and don't help anybody in the real world, aren't going to do anybody much good, including ourselves where voice phones are concerned. We *do* need an alternative to NSA-bugged telephones, but we're talking inexpensive *telephones* here, including hand-sized cellulars, that need strong crypto, real privacy. Make-shift computer hacker rigs that require living by your computer to talk privately over the phone are just a dumb stunt that doesn't do anything for anybody's privacy in the real world. What we need is a true *privacy chip*. For example, a real-time voice-encryption RSA, silicon compile it and spit out ASIC. Put this chip on the market as a de facto standard for international business, diplomats, and private communications. If the U.S. bans it, we make it somewhere else and import it. The Japanese, German, Dutch, Taiwanese, Korean, etc. electronics companies don't want the NSA spying on them. U.S. workers lose more jobs to government fascist stupidity.

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Hehehe, so you say, but this objective morality somehere tells you that this is not the case, and you don't know all the rules of such transcendental game systems... Cheers, Kent

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I think Murray has done a great job. He's picked up Ciccarelli, Sheppard, Ysebaert, Howe, Coffey, and Riendeau (plus some depth players) without giving up anything the Wings needed or any of his top prospects. All of this in three years. Has anyone done better? The year before he took over, the Wings didn't even make the playoffs. There was about a year and a half during Demers' stint that the Wings did OK, but that was due to Demers' motavational skills and clutch and grab style. They didn't have much talent. Gerald, Murray wasn't responsible for Primeau (although I'm not ready to admit that's a horrible pick). They hired him after the draft (which has never made sense to me). His first pick was Lapointe. Ron

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I flipped on my local Cable Access Channel (a channel where any community member can broadcast whatever they want for about $50 per half hour) and saw a "documentary" (I use this term loosely) on the conflict in the West Bank. It was apparently made with a hand held camcorder (the quality was terrible, and the camera was really jumpy). The documentary (sic) told the tales of all of the children who died in the "war" against the Jews as martyrs. It was a regular sob story. One "victimized youth" was recounting on how all he "really" wants to do is to get an education and that the big bad Jews won't let him go to high school. He admittedly spent 4 years in prison (age 13 to 17) for murdering a Jewish woman but claims that it was "for the cause." I have seen this kind of garbage before. I have a lot of sympathy for the Palestinian cause (as do many Jews), but I think that even many Arabs would be ashamed to call this a documentary! The most suprising part is that the only credits shown at the end was an address for the makers of the film named JEWISH COMM. ON THE MIDDLE EAST. Anybody heard of them? They make Peace Now look like right-wingers.

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I wish I could agree with you. Ask yourself this. Why would any private sector entity wish to buy a crypto system that was KNOWN to be at least partially compromised? (Key escrows in this instance) Why would any private sector entity wish to buy a crypto system that had not been properly evaluated? (i.e. algorythm not publically released) The answer seems obvious to me, they wouldn't. There is other hardware out there not compromised. DES as an example (triple DES as a better one.) My suspicion is that the prices will drop dramatically on these non clipper systems. If not we're in trouble. Given that the Clinton administration is not entirely stupid (although we'd like to think so) I cannot believe that they have failed to realize this. They know their initiative will fail, much as crippled DES was never taken seriously. The only way their moves can work is by coercion. You know little about politics if you don't realize that this is just a first step in the next move, it makes NO sense otherwise. The next move, banning or SEVERLY crippling crypto not using the "Clipper" system is easily justified "Why would anyone want other encryption unless they were trying to subvert the government? We've provided you with a very secure alternative so use it or go to jail/be fined/whatever." How can you reconcile the administrations self proclaimed purpose of providing law enforcement with access to encrypted data without making the clipper system the only crypto available in the U.S... ? You simply can't, and the administration knows it. Anyone who wanted to keep the govt. out of their hair, be it for drug dealing or whatever, would just buy still available non-clipper systems. Don't sell our crafty Clinton types short, they can't be THAT stupid. Either banning non clipper crypto is the next answer or the administrations collective I.Q. is about that of a potato. Why do you think AT&T jumped on so fast? They know it's going to be big, and NOT because it's better. Right on the face of it, noone will buy the stuff that doesn't have to. AT&T must know this too, THINK MAN, why the hell would they jump the gun? I really wonder. To wit: The letter I just sent to Clinton: The White House Office of the Press Secretary c/o: Presidential Comment Line (fax) (202) 456-2461 April 17, 1993 Sir and/or Madam: I must object most strongly to the administrations evolving position on encryption and cryptography. I am shocked at the Clinton regimes increasing lean towards a authoritarian approach with regard to privacy and freedom from government oversight in day to day life. It is apparent to me that those who drafted the "Clipper Chip Proposal" (which is, incidentally, gaining notoriety as the "Big Brother Proposal") are either incredibly ignorant or very sly indeed. Anyone knowledgeable in the nuances of cryptographic development and research must understand that a key step in the development of a new algorithm, especially one destined for standardization, is the full disclosure of the algorithm to the private and academic sectors. The proper evaluation of an algorithm dep ends on careful scrutiny by these sectors, and only such scrutiny can provide true public confidence in the security of the algorithm. The assumption that a new algorithm will be accepted based on assurances from "experts" without full disclosure is plain ignorance. In addition, the assumption that an algorithm will be marketable over other technology, such as DES, when it is characterized by key escrow is lunacy. It seems an easy step in the logic chain that probable consumers will prefer to purchase equipment not crippled by government key escrow, no matter how "tamper proof" the key escrows might be. I cannot believe that even the least educated policy maker would have failed to realize these flaws. I can only assume then that the drafters of the "Clipper Chip Proposal" knew very well the difficulties of selling a crippled system to the private sector. The only way this proposal makes any sense, or has any chance of succeeding is in coercion. Even the language of the proposal makes it painfully clear that the next logical step is the outlawing of other encryption devices and hardware that do not uti lize the "Big Brother Chip." Unfortunately the public at large is not educated enough on the issue to realize what they are losing. I expect the Big Brother proposal to encounter little resistance from the American people who you will have so efficiently duped once again with pretty words like "harmony," "right to encryption," and "voluntary." It mortifies me that the phrase that seems to be used more and more often to characterize the Clinton administration is "I can't believe it's happening here." More startling is a question a colleague of mine posed and the realization that everyday it becomes more and more relevant; "When is the Reichstag fire planned for?" Most Concerned, [Signature] Shaen Logan Bernhardt I [email protected]

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L(> |JB> 1) Ron...what do YOU consider to be "proper channels"... L(> L(> | I'm glad it caught your eye. That's the purpose of this forum to L(> | educate those, eager to learn, about the facts of life. That phrase L(> | is used to bridle the frenzy of all the would-be respondents, who L(> | otherwise would feel being left out as the proper authorities to be L(> | consulted on that topic. In short, it means absolutely nothing. L(> L(> An apt description of the content of just about all Ron Roth's L(> posts to date. At least there's entertainment value (though it L(> is diminishing). Well, that's easy for *YOU* to say. All *YOU* have to do is sit back, soak it all in, try it out on your patients, and then brag to all your colleagues about that incredibly success rate you're having all of a sudden... --Ron--

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Oh great. Wonderful news. Nobody can listen in--except the feds. You believe that the feds offer the least threat to liberty of anyone, and I'm sure I do too. Glad that jerk won't be tapping my phone anymore. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John Hesse | A man, [email protected] | a plan, Moss Beach, Calif | a canal, Bob.

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CALL FOR PAPERS The Internet Society Symposium on Network and Distributed System Security 3-4 February 1994, Catamaran Hotel, San Diego, California The symposium will bring together people who are building software and hardware to provide network or distributed system security services. The symposium is intended for those interested in practical aspects of network and distributed system security, rather than in theory. Symposium proceedings will be published by the Internet Society. Topics for the symposium include, but are not limited to, the following: * Design and implementation of services--access control, authentication, availability, confidentiality, integrity, and non-repudiation --including criteria for placing services at particular protocol layers. * Design and implementation of security mechanisms and support services--encipherment and key management systems, authorization and audit systems, and intrusion detection systems. * Requirements and architectures for distributed applications and network functions--message handling, file transport, remote file access, directories, time synchronization, interactive sessions, remote data base management and access, routing, voice and video multicast and conferencing, news groups, network management, boot services, mobile computing, and remote I/O. * Special issues and problems in security architecture, such as -- very large systems like the international Internet, and -- high-speed systems like the gigabit testbeds now being built. * Interplay between security goals and other goals--efficiency, reliability, interoperability, resource sharing, and low cost. GENERAL CHAIR: Dan Nessett, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory PROGRAM CHAIRS: Russ Housley, Xerox Special Information Systems Rob Shirey, The MITRE Corporation PROGRAM COMMITTEE: Dave Balenson, Trusted Information Systems Tom Berson, Anagram Laboratories Matt Bishop, Dartmouth College Ed Cain, U.S. Defense Information Systems Agency Jim Ellis, CERT Coordination Center Steve Kent, Bolt, Beranek and Newman John Linn, Independent Consultant Clifford Neuman, Information Sciences Institute Michael Roe, Cambridge University Rob Rosenthal, U.S. National Institute of Standards and Technology Jeff Schiller, Massachusetts Institute of Technology Ravi Sandhu, George Mason University Peter Yee, U.S. National Aeronautics and Space Administration SUBMISSIONS: The committee seeks both original technical papers and proposals for panel discussions on technical and other topics of general interest. Technical papers should be 10-20 pages in length. Panels should include three or four speakers. A panel proposal must name the panel chair, include a one-page topic introduction authored by the chair, and also include one-page position summaries authored by each speaker Both the technical papers and the panel papers will appear in the proceedings. Submissions must be made by 16 August 1993. Submissions should be made via electronic mail to [email protected]. Submissions may be in either of two formats: ASCII or PostScript. If the committee is unable to read a PostScript submission, it will be returned and ASCII requested. Therefore, PostScript submissions should arrive well before 16 August. If electronic submission is absolutely impossible, submissions should be sent via postal mail to Robert W. Shirey, Mail Stop Z202 The MITRE Corporation McLean, Virginia 22102-3481 USA All submissions must include both an Internet electronic mail address and a postal address. Each submission will be acknowledged through the medium by which it is received. If acknowledgment is not received within seven days, please contact either Rob Shirey <[email protected]> or Russ Housley <[email protected]>, or telephone Mana Weigand at MITRE in Mclean, 703-883-5397.

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Moreover, if two riders are riding together at the same speed, one might be riding well beyond his abilities and the other may have a safety margin left. Allan, I know the circumstances of several of your falls. On the ride when you fell while I was next behind you, you made an error of judgement by riding too fast when you knew the road was damp, and you reacted badly when you were surprised by an oncoming car. That crash was due to factors that were subject to your control. I won't deny that there's a combination of luck and skill involved for each of us, but it seems that you're blaming bad luck for more of your own pain than is warranted. --

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Ermenistan kasiniyor... Let me translate for everyone else before the public traslation service gets into it : Armenia is getting itchy.

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